[00:01] <maxb> the vast burst of ssh connection reset errors (which I've just requeued) might be why it was stopped
[00:09] <maxb> I've emailed the list
[00:09] <poolie> thanks
[00:10] <poolie> there was a bug where the importer was tickling an lp bug
[00:10] <poolie> i think we can ramp it up more now
[00:28] <poolie> maxb, did you see my pm?
[00:32] <james_w> hi
[00:33] <james_w> I stopped it as it was failing hard and spamming error messages every 5 minutes
[00:33] <james_w> so I disabled it until we could take a more in depth look
[00:33] <james_w> I should have mailed the list when I did though, sorry
[00:43] <maxb> james_w: hmm, I did a single import via bin/import-package and it completed fine
[00:43] <maxb> i'm tempted to start it going with max_threads 1 and see what happens
[00:43] <james_w> yeah, the issue was sqlite contention
[00:43] <james_w> so a single import succeeding isn't surprising
[00:43] <maxb> ok, starting it up
[00:44] <maxb> huh
[00:44] <maxb> apache2 is chewing jubany's cpu
[00:45] <james_w> maxb, for packages.ubuntu.com perhaps?
[00:46] <maxb> urgh, it appears to be being hit by 4+ webspiders simultaneously
[00:50] <maxb> Started, seems ok, going to 4 threads
[00:53] <maxb> seems ok, going to 8 threads
[00:55] <maxb> seems ok, going to 16 threads
[00:55] <lifeless> uhm
[00:55] <lifeless> what does each thread entail ?
[00:56] <lifeless> you'll get blacklisted and firewalled from LP shortly if that is full concurrent API use.
[00:56] <maxb> there's a fair amount of unpacking tarballs and local bzr operations
[01:01] <maxb> hmm, running into sqlite contention again
[01:03] <maxb> down to 1 thread
[01:05] <maxb> most finished ok, so back to 8 and seeing if the sqlite db can handle that
[01:05] <poolie> maxb, maybe we should set up tmpreaper or similar on the tmpdir
[01:05] <poolie> i thought there might have already been one
[01:05] <poolie> anything over a month old could probably safely be killed
[01:05] <maxb> we could. or we could just empty it manually every year :-)
[01:05] <james_w> heh
[01:11] <maxb> It's not entirely happy
[01:11] <maxb> looks like it fails whenever two import threads try to complete at the same time
[01:12]  * maxb drops it to 6 threads and hopes coincidence will mean that happens rarely whilst it slogs through the backlog
[01:15] <james_w> maxb, the old code had an sqlite timeout of 30 seconds, the new one defaults to 5
[01:15] <james_w> maxb, what do you think about trying 30 again?
[01:15] <maxb> definitely do it
[01:20] <james_w> maxb, https://code.launchpad.net/~james-w/udd/sqlite-timeout/+merge/101317
[01:27] <maxb> approved
[01:29] <james_w> ok, deploying now then
[01:47] <james_w> I would get stuck waiting for gcc-snapshot to push wouldn't I?
[01:50] <james_w> oh, it's pulling
[01:50]  * james_w kills
[01:57] <james_w> back up and running on the new code
[02:00] <james_w> maxb, thanks for tracking this
[03:18] <mgrandi> hmm, got a tree transform is malformed exception o.o
[05:49] <lifeless> james_w: why don't you move to postgresql?
[07:45] <poolie> o/ lifeless
[08:02] <jelmer> 'morning
[08:02] <mgz> morning all
[08:03] <vila> hi guys
[08:03] <jelmer> hey mgz, vila
[08:11] <lifeless> poolie: hi thar :)
[08:11] <poolie> hi
[08:30] <mgz> we doing standup?
[08:32] <jelmer> in 30m according to my calendar
[08:34] <mgz> yeay timezones.
[08:47] <LarstiQ> ooh, standup
[08:49] <LarstiQ> jelmer: is landing in bzr-svn just pushing to lp:bzr-svn?
[08:50] <jelmer> LarstiQ: basically, yep
[08:51] <jelmer> LarstiQ: perhaps push a merge of the changes rather than the individual changes
[08:51]  * LarstiQ nods
[08:51] <jelmer> I haven't reallyt been doing that myself though, so me asking is a bit hypocritical :)
[08:52] <LarstiQ> jelmer: not watching the monkey ;)
[08:54] <jelmer> (:
[08:56] <jam1> jelmer, poolie: where are you guys doing standups these days? Still mumble? or is it a hangout now?
[08:57] <jelmer> hey jam1, are you joining us?
[08:57] <jam1> Yeah, I should be today
[08:57] <jelmer> we usually use hangouts
[08:57] <jam1> and then going forward
[08:58] <jelmer> \o/
[08:59] <poolie> hi all, hangouts
[09:22] <LarstiQ> jelmer: could you lend a hand with https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-svn/+bug/920411 ?
[09:27] <LarstiQ> jelmer: bzrlib/info.py +499 seems to want to instantiate all registered bzrdirs
[09:27] <jelmer> LarstiQ: that seems like the man issue
[09:27] <jelmer> *main
[09:27]  * LarstiQ nods
[09:28] <jelmer> perhaps this bug should be reassigned to bzr
[09:28] <poolie> o/ larstiq
[09:28] <LarstiQ> hey poolie :)
[09:30] <LarstiQ> jelmer: alternatively perhaps bzr-svn shouldn't register a format if subvertpy is not available, or somesuch
[09:32] <LarstiQ> but info's behaviour is not nice anyway
[09:34] <jelmer> LarstiQ: that would cause bzr to silently e unable to open svn woring copies if subvertpy is mising
[09:35] <LarstiQ> jelmer: so ideally it will complain that subvertpy is missing when it tries to open an svn working copy, but not before?
[09:42] <jelmer> LarstiQ: yeah
[10:06] <rbasak> Hello! Any chance of an answer to https://answers.launchpad.net/bzr-fastimport/+question/192715 please? Is this a bug?
[10:09] <poolie> thanks for the reproduction
[10:10] <poolie> it does sound like a bug
[10:19] <jelmer> rbasak: I think you want to specify the marks file to bzr fast-import too
[10:19] <rbasak> jelmer: bzr fast-import uses its own internal marks file inside .bzr
[10:20] <rbasak> jelmer: I don't think it needs to know about the id to git hash mapping, does it? Just it's own id to bzr id mapping
[10:25] <jelmer> hmm, true
[11:57] <LarstiQ> jelmer: cheers, enough digging for now
[12:49] <james_w> lifeless, that's exactly what these problems are being caused by :-)
[17:51] <sudarshans> please note: as I  mentioned here https://answers.launchpad.net/bzr/+question/192935 the developer docs need to be updated
[17:52] <sudarshans> lifeless: ^
[17:53] <sudarshans> jelmer: thanks for helping me locate the answer to my question
[21:07] <lifeless> jelmer: are you RFA'ing the whole bzr stack ?
[21:12] <jelmer> lifeless: no, just (trying to) reduce the number of packages I'm involved in
[22:56] <maxb> james_w: ugh ugh ugh. Yes, the problem with requeue --full / --zap-revids *is* non-unicodeness
[22:56] <maxb> how on earth is storm managing to break so badly that it silently does nothing :-(
[23:24] <poolie> hi all
[23:25] <jelmer> hey poolie


[12:45] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
 https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/kubuntu-ermine.html
 valorie: it works last time I had the OS installed. We can use the Ubuntu one though that will pull in Ubuntu Software/GNOME Software.
 @ahoneybun, Nope. It's built into software-properties-qt now, as lubuntu wanted a pure Qt one
 Ah that's better for us for sure. Can we switch to that? I don't think anyone is working on the Driver Manager right now.
 Yeah. It just wouldn't be as convenient as a a built in systemsettings KCM, but better than a broken one!
 Would also need to make it show up as a menu item somehow, where the menu launches it with the driver tab active.
 That can be done
 I think you just need a .desktop file for that. But not sure about having a KCM.
[21:47] <valorie> huh, dedoimedo snarking again
[21:47] <valorie> at least he gave us 8/10
 I think it was a decent review though he is a bit of an odd one.


[20:14] <wxl> ianorlyn: our notification bug is fixed at long last!!
[20:14] <wxl> rafaellaguna: when will the fix hit the repos? when gilir oks?
[20:15] <rafaellaguna> yes, I can only upload to the Lubuntu Artwork PPA
[20:15] <wxl> okie dokie
[20:15] <wxl> so now we'll bug him XD
[20:15] <rafaellaguna> I guess EVERYBODY here has it added to their systems, no?
[20:15] <wxl> well DUHHH XD
[20:16] <rafaellaguna> º__º
[21:22] <ahoneybun> hey wxl
[21:43] <wxl> oh hai ahoneybun
[21:47] <ahoneybun> hows the docs wxl and gsilva
[21:47] <wxl> ahoneybun: been too busy to know personally XD
[21:47] <ianorlyn> I did some tiny things on changing desktop background and some on file manager yesterday
[21:49] <ahoneybun> lol


[13:45] <ThomasBerends> anybody who knows in how many hours ubuntu 9.10 will be released?
[13:46] <nhandler> ThomasBerends: It will be released when it is ready. Although that is a little off topic for this channel
[13:46] <ThomasBerends> nhandler: it is the biggest news about ubuntu in 6 months?
[13:47] <nhandler> ThomasBerends: The actual release is news, and it will definitely be on the Fridge and in the UWN. However, this is not the appropriate channel to be asking about when it comes out in.
[13:48] <ThomasBerends> ok..
[13:48] <ThomasBerends> sorry :(


[04:03] <kaz> hello , I always have a problem with d-I. I will try to explain, I have compress my debian in one big file and I would like restor it with d-I. So I removed some udeb like netconf and base-installer and make one which decompress my archive in /target but when it's finish grub-install on  hd0 failed. i have try grub-install in a console with chroot /target but it's failed to whit this error "/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 does not have any correspond
[04:04] <cjwatson> sounds like you haven't bind-mounted /dev and /proc into /target
[04:04] <kaz> I have make /dev an /proc in /taget with  mount -o bind from liveCD
[04:05] <kaz> yes
[04:14] <kaz> I also tried to remove grub-installer.udeb and do another without grub-install only with the basic commands of grub, that ok but d-I does not seem to validate the stage and to finish the installation
[04:14] <kaz>
[04:29] <kaz> can be that the problem comes from device.map, I have see hda1 hda5 ... inside whereas this files on /dev links with /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1?
[04:32] <cjwatson> entirely possible
[04:33] <cjwatson> you'll probably need to update device.map if device naming differs
[04:33] <kaz> yes I try this now  in qemu
[04:34] <kaz> are there a script to update device.map ?
[04:35] <cjwatson> IIRC grub-install --recheck (possibly with some more options) will do it
[04:35] <cjwatson> or just move device.map aside and let it auto-probe
[04:36] <kaz> ok thank you very much


[08:03] <giri> hi
[08:06] <giri> can you pl help me
[08:09] <ikt> heya giri
[08:09] <ikt> what's up?
[08:15] <giri> i have a problem installing linux ubundu in compq laptop
[08:19] <giri> when I install from windows I can boot in command mode
[08:19] <giri> but unable to boot in graphics mode
[08:25] <giri> hello
[11:39] <ceauke> hi guys
[11:39] <ceauke> I'm testing lynx and I wonder if anyone noticed that gnome's desktop has an extra large gutter on the right of the desktop
[11:40] <persia> ceauke: I don't see that.
[11:40] <ceauke> hmmm, ok, I just see now what's going on... this is bizarre
[11:40] <ceauke> I still have two workspaces
[11:41] <ceauke> but the first one is 1.5x the width of my desktop and the second on is only 0.5x the size...
[11:42] <ceauke> where can I setup the workspaces?
[11:44] <persia> Right-clicking on the workspace switcher *should* work, but I suspect you've encountered some issue with compiz (as I don't run compiz, and don't have it).  Try turning off compiz to see if it still happens.
[11:46] <ceauke> hmm.. strange... it installed on non-optimal screen resolution so I changed it. then did a lot of updates when the gutter appeared
[11:47] <ceauke> but now I tuned down the resolution and the gutter was gone, and turning it back up again resolved the issue
[11:47] <persia> Odd.
[11:47] <ceauke> so it seems like it gave my first workspace a size larger than the resolution specified.
[11:47] <ceauke> anyway.. problem solved
[11:48] <ceauke> persia, are you ALWAYS online?
[11:48] <ceauke> or are you maybe a computer program (does this sound like hte matrix? :-) )
[11:48] <persia> Both, actually.
[11:49] <ceauke> well, thanks for the help
[11:49] <persia> Well, I'm not *always* online, but often, and only very few of my responses are autogenerated.
[16:13] <bibinou> what is the difference between libparted0 and libparted-2.1-0 ?


[06:45] <pitti> Good morning
[06:55] <jibel> Good morning
[07:42] <DanChapman> Good Morning all
[08:50] <elfy> DanChapman: I'm about all day today
[10:45] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:56] <elfy> hi la_juyis
[10:57] <elfy> didn't expect to see you in here :)
[10:58] <la_juyis> hi elfy :
[10:58] <la_juyis> :)
[10:59] <la_juyis> elfy, well, I'm in the QA team ^^
[10:59] <elfy> oh - didn't know that and've never actually noticed you in here I guess - I just know you from can sso things :)
[11:00] <la_juyis> elfy, well, I'm mostly lurking, TBH :)
[11:00] <la_juyis> (most of the time)
[11:01] <elfy> :)
[11:01] <la_juyis> elfy, are you feeling better these days? :)
[11:01] <elfy> getting there - I can at least move about a bit now :)
[11:02] <elfy> wasn't a very good week at all
[11:04] <la_juyis> :/
[11:05] <la_juyis> well, I certainly hope you manage to be in better shape :D
[11:05] <elfy> thanks
[11:06] <amjjawad> elfy, isn't that off-topic? :P
[11:06] <elfy> what?
[11:06] <amjjawad> hello la_juyis nice to meet you
[11:06] <amjjawad> elfy, that conversation you are having ;)
[11:07] <la_juyis> hi amjjawad
[11:07] <amjjawad> la_juyis, hi :)
[11:07] <elfy> amjjawad: this isn't an official support channel - you were completely offtopic in one of the official support channels
[11:07] <amjjawad> elfy, you are so strict ;) but never mind, point taken!!
[11:07] <elfy> hi slickymaster
[11:08] <amjjawad> la_juyis, what part of Ubuntu Quality you are involved in?
[11:08] <slickymaster> morning elfy
[11:08] <amjjawad> sorry to ask la_juyis but I am not an IRC person so I am here rarely :)
[11:08] <slickymaster> I fiddle around in Trello yesterday elfy
[11:08] <elfy> yep - saw :)
[11:09] <elfy> slickymaster: should be useful to keep us singing from the same sheet
[11:10] <la_juyis> amjjawad, U1 qa & support & sso support & pay support'
[11:10] <slickymaster> elfy: yes, agree
[11:10] <amjjawad> la_juyis, nice :) hope all is okay with your work
[11:10] <la_juyis> amjjawad, ^^ thanks
[11:11] <amjjawad> you welcome :)
[13:23] <DanChapman> pitti, hey does libautopilot-gtk only support Gtk+
[13:24] <pitti> DanChapman: as opposed to what? (yes, only GTK)
[13:25] <DanChapman> pitti sorry i meant only Gtk3
[13:25] <pitti> DanChapman: at the moment the package is only built against Gtk 3, so yes
[13:26] <pitti> it shouldn't be too much effort to make it work for gtk2, but we actually try to get rid of that
[13:27] <DanChapman> pitti ok cool. was talking over in xubuntu-devel and they still use some older Gtk2 apps so thats why autopilot interface insn't loading :-) Thanks
[15:32] <balloons> amjjawad, didn't see you peaking in here
[15:37] <elfy> chilicuil: yay - just the person - I lost link to that testcase check script of yours :(
[15:37]  * elfy is bad
[15:39] <chilicuil> elfy: morning =), it's here https://raw.github.com/chilicuil/learn/master/sh/tools/test-case-format
[15:39] <elfy> chilicuil: thanks :)
[15:40] <elfy> balloons: when you've got 5 minutes can you ping me please :)
[15:40] <elfy> and hi ;)
[16:18] <DanChapman> jibel, i've noticed a bug with ubiquity that might be causing the dbus no reply problem, The ubiquity window when launched spans the full width of the screen see http://ubuntuone.com/0HnKCmC73f01HaGKBBlDX3 and then on the transition to the progress page where the bug keeps appearing the window kind of flickers/disappears and then comes back as its correct size see http://ubuntuone.com/4gVvX0kuDmirFSbFkcz0Sv. It made me think maybe autopilot
[16:18] <DanChapman> is probing dbus during the flicker/window craziness and getting no reply
[16:19] <xnox> =/ that should not be happinging (full width)
[16:19] <DanChapman> xnox, i'm filing a bug now for it
[17:41] <balloons> davmor2, so I'll be looking at calendar in a moment.. I saw your log but didn't peruse it.
[17:42] <davmor2> balloons: it's frustrating me now,  I see nothing wrong manually doing the test
[17:48] <balloons> davmor2, well thinking aloud.. if it works on desktop and mako, and it's not a swipe issue, that really only points to one thing. Timing. Maguro is slower
[17:49] <davmor2> balloons: this is what I'm thinking I noticed that the switch between days was really quick and I'm wonder if it is running the assert on the wrong part
[18:02] <balloons> davmor2, I'm not sure when you EOD
[18:02] <davmor2> 2 hours
[18:04] <balloons> davmor2, alrighty :-) Just landed everything else, let's look at calendar :)
[18:05] <davmor2> balloons: I'm with you on the timing issue to be honest I can't see it being anything else
[20:07] <Letozaf_> balloons, hello
[20:07] <balloons> Letozaf_, hello
[20:08] <Letozaf_> balloons, I found out what the problem is
[20:08] <balloons> what a day :-) We landed my changes to music finally
[20:08] <balloons> Letozaf_, ohh excellent
[20:08] <elfy> balloons - find the lost chord?
[20:08] <Letozaf_> balloons, yeah! but the problem is to find the solution to the problem :P
[20:09] <Letozaf_> balloons, I have three images with the same objectName and have to find a way to distinguish them
[20:09] <Letozaf_> balloons, I'm looking at this now
[20:14] <Letozaf_> balloons, is there a way to launch autopilot vis on the device ? the test works on desktop but not on device, so if I could use it on the device, maybe it could help
[20:15] <balloons> Letozaf_, sadly no.. no vis on the device :-(
[20:15] <balloons> Letozaf_, however, use the logger to help if needed
[20:15] <Letozaf_> balloons, the logger ?
[20:15] <balloons> what's the issue however? is everything pushed to lp?
[20:16] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes everything is pushed
[20:16] <balloons> ok, so I'll just re-review my run from last night
[20:16] <balloons> yes, logger.debug statements.. aka, print while you go..
[20:16] <balloons> it's not much, but :-)
[20:16] <Letozaf_> balloons, the problem is in emulators.py line 162
[20:17] <Letozaf_> balloons, on the desktop the icon is +8 from tracktitles.globalRect[1] but probably not on the device
[20:17] <Letozaf_> balloons, couldn't find a better way to get that image and click on it
[20:18] <Letozaf_> balloons, oh yes now I understand what the logger is
[20:43] <balloons> Letozaf_, it merges ok at least :-_)
[20:43] <Letozaf_> balloons, I pushed another change think this could fix it
[20:43] <Letozaf_> balloons, I-m running it on the device now
[20:50] <Letozaf_> balloons, I fixed one test
[20:50] <balloons> oohh.. let me restart my testing lol
[20:50] <Letozaf_> balloons, so also the other should be fixed let me try it
[20:54] <Letozaf_> balloons, look like they are working fine now
[20:54] <balloons> ohh excellent!
[20:55] <Letozaf_> balloons, let me run them all together now I ran them one at a time (the ones that had problems)
[21:09] <Letozaf_> balloons, looks like the whole test worked
[21:10] <Letozaf_> balloons, did it on your device ?
[21:16] <balloons> still running
[21:16]  * Letozaf_ crosses fingers
[21:16] <knome> balloons, you should exercise more, better typing it seems
[21:16] <knome> O;d
[21:17] <balloons> knome, hah
[21:20] <balloons> I'm not having the best luck
[21:20] <Letozaf_> balloons, :(
[21:21] <knome> with contributor joke quality?
[21:21] <Letozaf_> balloons, what's wrong ?
[21:21] <balloons> knome, you know your king of that
[21:21] <balloons> Letozaf_, just needed a reboo
[21:21] <balloons> it's running fine now
[21:21] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok
[21:21] <knome> balloons, you're (the)
[21:21] <knome> :P
[21:21]  * Letozaf_ still got fingers crossed
[21:22] <balloons> knome, isn't that funny?
[21:22]  * balloons thought it was clever
[21:22] <knome> hehe :)
[21:22] <knome> well... yeah, you could interpret that differently
[21:22] <knome> in the "you know your stuff"-style
[21:23] <balloons> i've not seen some of these music screens lol
[21:23] <Letozaf_> balloons, :'(
[21:24] <knome> lol
[21:24] <Letozaf_> knome, :P
[21:24] <knome> doesn't "screens" usually hide other stuff
[21:24]  * knome hides
[21:25] <balloons> I think knome is the one hiding
[21:25] <knome> no shit sherlock :P
[21:27] <balloons> ok, got 3 failures
[21:27] <balloons> I wonder if I was running the latest or not
[21:28] <balloons> Letozaf_, what rev do you have? lp has rev 274
[21:28] <balloons> brb
[21:28] <Letozaf_> balloons, let me check
[21:30] <Letozaf_> balloons, I've got 274
[21:30] <Letozaf_> balloons, also on my device I ran rev. 274
[21:30] <balloons> ok. I did the same I believe
[21:31] <balloons> does it run multiple times in a row just fine?
[21:31] <balloons> if so, it might just be me
[21:31] <Letozaf_> balloons, just ran it once. let me run them again
[21:34] <Letozaf_> balloons, if I want to start clean with no data on the device can I delet com.ubuntu.music under /home/phablet/.local/share ?
[21:34] <Letozaf_> balloons, or will this mess it u[
[21:34] <Letozaf_> sorry up
[21:34] <balloons> Letozaf_, yes, that's fine to delete if you wish
[21:42] <Letozaf_> balloons, noo! got one failure, but non on my tests, on test_previous_and_mp3
[21:43] <Letozaf_> MismatchError: After 10.0 seconds test failed: 'TestMP3Title' != u'Swansong'
[21:43] <balloons> mmm..
[21:43] <balloons> you should merge trunk again
[21:44] <Letozaf_> balloons, do you mean run bzr merge or something else ?
[21:44] <Letozaf_> balloons, because bzr merge says nothing to do
[21:44] <balloons> bzr merge lp:music-app
[21:44] <balloons> ?
[21:45] <Letozaf_> balloons, ah ok :P
[21:46] <Letozaf_> balloons, what does this mean "Not attempting to fix packaging branch ancestry, missing pristine tar data for version 1.1."
[21:46] <Letozaf_> balloons, then it says All changes applied successfully.
[21:49] <balloons> ignore the packaging warning
[21:49] <balloons> looks good
[21:49] <balloons> you'll notice the other tests are different now :-)
[21:50] <balloons> so they shouldn't cause you issues
[21:50] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok , let me try
[22:01] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok first run without errors
[22:01] <Letozaf_> balloons, let me try againg
[22:01] <Letozaf_> sorry again
[22:01] <balloons> :-)
[22:02] <balloons> I think we're good
[22:02] <Letozaf_> balloons, hope so
[22:07] <Letozaf_> balloons, nooo failures in continuous integration :(
[22:09] <Letozaf_> balloons, second run ok
[22:09] <balloons> Letozaf_, looks like pep8/pyflakes erros
[22:10] <balloons> pyflakes actually: ./tests/autopilot/music_app/tests/test_music.py:16: 'GreaterThan' imported but unused
[22:10] <balloons> really simple
[22:10] <Letozaf_> balloons, oh! let me cancel that, didn't look at the logs yet
[22:10] <Letozaf_> balloons, thanks
[22:13] <Letozaf_> balloons, I am running the tests on device for the third time, after last push
[22:20] <Letozaf_> balloons, tests ran fine also this time
[22:20] <Letozaf_> balloons, I ran them three times without errors...
[22:21] <Letozaf_> balloons, I must go now it's late for me
[22:21] <balloons> I think that's a wrap then :-)
[22:21] <balloons> once jenkins approves I'll do the same
[22:21] <balloons> good work!
[22:21] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok thanks
[22:21] <Letozaf_> balloons, be back tomorrow, night!
[22:22] <balloons> ciao!


[00:25] <bazhang> hah I wish
[04:08] <rww> So, fun question time:
[04:08] <rww> Ubuntu Touch / Ubuntu on Phones / whatever support in #ubuntu: yes or no?
[04:08] <rww> pros: it's Ubuntu
[04:08] <rww> cons: nobody in #ubuntu is good at Ubuntu Touch support and #ubuntu-touch is better for that
[04:49] <IdleOne> I think you answered your own question
[04:52] <rww> I guess it's different enough underneath that the support knowledge for Ubuntu on Desktop doesn't really converge (let's say) on the support knowledge needed for Ubuntu on Phones yet ;)
[04:52] <rww> mail like https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2014-March/001852.html notwithstanding
[05:05] <rww> @comment 62076 this has been your weekly Skraito AstaraOS nonsense, 30d
[05:06] <jussi> rww: Im pretty sure ubuntu touch support is in #ubuntu-touch
[05:06] <rww> I'm pretty sure Kubuntu support is in #kubuntu, but it's also in #ubuntu ;)
[05:07] <rww> hence my point, is Ubuntu for Phones Ubuntu enough for us to sanely support it in #ubuntu
[05:07] <rww> (like Kubuntu is and like Mint isn't)
[05:07] <IdleOne> not yet
[05:08] <rww> is the expectation that it will be? because I don't see them abandoning, say, read-only filesystem, and it'd be hilarious to see that by default on Desktop
[05:09] <rww> although this is probably veering into "god only knows" territory
[05:09] <jussi> I think it is still enough of a different product that it stay's in -touch for now
[05:10] <rww> *nod*
[05:11] <jussi> but thats just an opinion from me...
[05:11] <IdleOne> +1
[05:11] <jussi> also, lets face it - we are trying to provide a good experience here, and the best experience for all parties is that the touch questions stay in -touch
[05:13] <valorie> do we have a !touch factoid ?
[05:13] <valorie> !touch
[05:13] <valorie> cool
[05:14] <rww> !-touch
[05:14] <rww> !-phone
[05:14] <rww> !phone =~ s/support/. Support/
[05:14] <valorie> omg phablet
[05:14] <valorie> worst word evar
[05:14] <rww> heretic
[05:14] <rww> phablet is my phavorite word
[05:14] <valorie> I dun believe ya
[05:15] <IdleOne> !forget edge
[05:15] <rww> NEVAH 4GET
[05:15] <valorie> blog is pretty bad too, but I've gotten used to i
[05:15] <valorie> t
[05:15] <rww> i have a t-shirt entitled "bomb the blogosphere"
[05:16] <valorie> vlog, not so much
[05:16] <rww> vlog is so last decade
[13:27] <IdleOne> !guidelines > Guest55074
[13:37] <IdleOne> can't say I didn't try :/
[13:37] <Pici> yep
[13:44] <holstein> i wonder if "dark like cookie" and "turtles" is some kind of translation error ;)
[13:44] <holstein> doubt it...
[15:57] <Captain_h00k> ikonia: it wasn't necessary as far as I could tell, and they weren't responding to a /query asking why they called ops
[15:57] <ikonia> Captain_h00k: couldn't see anything, but I thought it worth asking
[15:57] <Captain_h00k> ikonia: it makes sense, yeah
[16:00] <blissi> !ops
[16:00] <ikonia> hello blis
[16:00] <ikonia> hello blissi
[16:01] <blissi> Somone from #ubuntu tricked me into uploading a script to my ubuntu box
[16:01] <blissi> I have no idea what it does!!!
[16:01] <blissi> http://pastebin.com/R7Xxa4jT
[16:01] <ikonia> I've no idea either, sorry
[16:02] <ikonia> so we can't help you, please /part the channel as you seem unable to use the channel nicely
[16:03]  * Captain_h00k sips
[16:08] <DGJones> ikonia: blissi is back in #ubuntu
[16:08] <ikonia> muted him
[16:09] <DGJones> Wasn't sure what the situation was with him so just thought it was better to flag him up for you
[16:09] <ikonia> yeah, thoughtful, thank you
[16:09] <ikonia> I'd sent him a pm asking him to stop and welcomed him here to talk if he could grow up a bit
[16:10] <ikonia> not had anything back, so I'll leave muted until that changes
[16:10] <Captain_h00k> nonresponsive to me as well
[16:10] <DGJones> Script looked pretty innocuous apart from echoing a text line
[16:10] <Captain_h00k> It's purely a troll, I'm convinced.
[16:11] <ikonia> it's just a way of calling us fags
[16:11] <ikonia> of course it's a troll,
[16:11] <ikonia> that's why I'm not engaging until he meets the requirements to stop
[16:11] <DGJones> And with that, I'll go  back to being one handed while I wait for a cortisone injection to settle down
[16:11] <Captain_h00k> DGJones: er, good luck :s
[16:12] <DGJones> Captain_h00k: Thanks, injection was fine, I no longer trust people who say they're agony going in, just starting to stiffen up & ache now
[18:52] <IdleOne> handled
[22:12] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu wickedheadache very bad advie
[22:12] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu wickedheadache very bad advice


[09:38] <rbasak> Skuggen: it might be worth noting in https://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=110965 that the bug was a regression caused by upstream commit be8348a7c3e8510b998a063065b626a459631b32
[09:38] <rbasak> Looks like we're going to have to carry the revert of that indefinitely if upstream doesn't want anything to do with it
[09:42] <Skuggen> Hm, yeah. While it's technically true armhf isn't a supported platform by us and we generally don't include fixes for such platforms, it's also often been the case that if there's a problem on armhf there's also a problem elsewhere (like arm64), but just not as noticeable. So I'll ask a dev to have a quick look at it
[09:44] <Skuggen> s/platform/architecture
[09:46] <rbasak> Thanks!
[09:51] <wouter> vorlon: right; I did add something that ginggs suggested (off-channel), but I guess if the only way to go is up, we might as well say so. Added a note to that effect, thanks.
[11:31] <mdeslaur> rbasak: Skuggen thanks!
[12:02] <danilogondolfo> Hi there, I'm still looking for a reviewer/sponsor for a couple of MRs :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libcap2/+bug/2020460 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sudo/+bug/2020470
[12:02] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2020460 in libcap2 (Ubuntu) "Please merge 1:2.66-4 into mantic" [Undecided, New]
[12:02] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2020470 in sudo (Ubuntu) "Please merge 1.9.13p3-1 into mantic" [Undecided, New]
[21:27] <liushuyu> Hi there, I need some help re-running one autopkgtest: https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=mantic&arch=s390x&package=fwupd&trigger=fwupd/1.9.1-1 Thank you!
[21:28] <bdmurray> liushuyu: done
[21:28] <liushuyu> bdmurray: Thank you!
[21:30] <bdmurray> although looking at it - why do you think it will pass now?
[21:31] <liushuyu> bdmurray: I need a cleaner log
[21:32] <bdmurray> liushuyu: none of the 4 failures are good enough?
[21:32] <bdmurray> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/fwupd/mantic/s390x
[21:37] <liushuyu> bdmurray: Some of these were network failures, some of these were nova boot failures and some of these are due to flaky tests. I need to see if any of those flaky tests will come up again
[21:38] <liushuyu> (one of them was a genuine failure, I would like to see if there are s390x specific failures that are not so flaky)
[23:16] <enr0n> Can a core dev please trigger this PPA autopkgtest? https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=mantic&arch=amd64&package=openssh&ppa=enr0n/proposed-migration&trigger=openssh/1%3A9.2p1-2ubuntu3~ppa3
[23:26] <sergiodj> enr0n: done
[23:30] <enr0n> sergiodj: thanks!


[05:03] <jcastro> akgraner: around?
[05:41] <cjohnston> late night jcastro ?
[06:00] <paultag> sheesh I guess so
[06:13] <nigelb> paultag!
[06:13] <paultag> nigelb!
[06:17] <cjohnston> nigelb!
[06:18] <nigelb> hey cjohnston
[07:00] <head_victim> I've had someone contact me about distributing Ubuntu as a part of a business venture (very sketchy on details without an NDA apparently) but they were wondering about the legalities about it all. They say they won't be charging for Ubuntu but rather the support of it and it sounds fine to me. To cover myself though I was wondering if there was a website or contact person I can refer them to with all the details abo
[07:00] <head_victim> ut this sort of thing?
[08:57] <dpm> good morning everyone!!!
[09:10] <kim0> morning everyone
[09:20] <dpm> hey kim0
[09:32] <nigelb> hey dpm, kim0
[09:34] <dpm> morning nigelb
[09:35] <kim0> howdy nigelb dpm :)
[10:05] <czajkowski> Aloha
[10:09] <kim0> czajkowski: hey o/
[10:10] <czajkowski> how's things
[10:12] <kim0> all going good
[10:12] <kim0> czajkowski: how about you
[10:12] <czajkowski> ntb thanks
[10:12] <czajkowski> trying to decide what to have for breakfast
[10:13] <kim0> that's a hard one indeed
[10:14] <czajkowski> indeed
[13:21] <jcastro> popey: around?
[13:23] <popey> jcastro: ya
[13:23] <jcastro> the youtube setting in blip seems to have been unset
[13:24] <jcastro> can you PM me the creds to the youtube channel?
[13:24] <popey> the ubuntudevelopers channel?
[13:24] <jcastro> yep
[13:25] <popey> i suspect this is because last time I logged in it forced me to tie it to a google accoun
[13:25] <popey> +t
[13:25] <popey> so I tied it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:25] <jcastro> oh, hah
[13:25] <popey> and told jono this
[13:25] <jcastro> ok, so he has the creds?
[13:25] <popey> hang on, lemme see
[13:26] <popey> haha, it's waiting on a confirmation mail to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:26] <jcastro> ok
[13:26] <popey> "We have sent an email message to the address<EMAIL_ADDRESS>. Please access your email and visit the verification url provided in order to activate your Google Account."
[13:27] <popey> not sure this is wise tbh
[13:27] <popey> should create a new google account for this
[13:27] <popey> lemme fix this..
[13:28] <jcastro> ok
[13:29] <jcastro> "due to noise in this channel the community council has decided to shut down the ubuntu developer channel."
[13:30] <czajkowski> heh
[13:36] <popey> jcastro: fixed the connection between blip and yt
[13:37] <popey> jcastro: http://blip.tv/dashboard/distribution/youtube should work
[13:37] <jcastro> thank you sir!
[13:37] <popey> np
[13:37] <popey> Zoiks!
[13:37] <popey> "Jane Silber @silbs is now following you (@popey)."
[13:41] <czajkowski> no pressure ;)
[13:44]  * popey tries to think of something profound to tweet
[13:45] <greg-g> (also in here...)
[13:45] <greg-g> jcastro: way to speak the truth in that newsletter blogpost
[13:45] <jcastro> heh
[13:46] <czajkowski> jcastro: indeed
[13:47] <czajkowski> funny headline
[13:54] <mhall119> nice
[14:15] <jcastro> heh
[14:15] <jcastro> "the newsletter, putting Amber in the hospital since 2007"
[14:21] <akgraner> :-P
[14:34] <Pendulum> akgraner: do you think that if I do more UWN stuff, it'll somehow get my neurosurgeon and then insurance off their asses so that I can be in the hospital too? ;-)
[14:38] <akgraner> Pendulum, hehe
[14:38] <akgraner> I wou;dn't suggest it
[14:38] <akgraner> wouldn't even
[14:39] <jcastro> hey I redid my blog
[14:39] <jcastro> what do yall think
[14:39] <jcastro> http://castrojo.tumblr.com/
[14:44] <akgraner> jcastro, thanks!
[14:45] <akgraner> you speak so eloquently... and the sucking chest wound from the spear in my chest healed nicely I should say :-P
[14:50] <akgraner> jcastro, I <3 you thanks for helping get the word out....
[14:51] <nigelb> heh
[14:53] <jcastro> mhall119: nigelb: do you guys expect the QR code to summit to change?
[14:54] <jcastro> I want to make sure we get the code on  the tshirts for next time
[14:54] <nigelb> well, isn't it linked to urls? So yeah, every UDS, it will chnage
[14:54] <jcastro> so you can just say "what's up next" and qr code the person next to you
[14:54] <nigelb> heh
[14:54] <popey> I asked someone to do us an Ubuntu QR code...
[14:54] <jcastro> can we make a canonical URL and QR code so that it doesn't change? And then just have summit forward to the right place?
[14:56] <nigelb> I'll defer to mhall119, I never touched that code to say what's going on
[14:56] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/qr/Logo%20Centre%20Ubuntu%20QR.png
[14:56] <nigelb> jcastro: In other good news, brainstorm is nuked from summit.
[14:56] <popey> thats fun ☺
[14:56] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/qr/Logo%20Ubuntu%20QR.png
[14:56] <popey> also
[14:56] <jcastro> popey: that's awesome
[14:56] <jcastro> we should put that in it
[14:56] <popey> put "summit" in the image
[14:57] <popey> you can have up to 30% errors
[14:57] <jcastro> oh dude
[14:57] <popey> http://2d-code.co.uk/bbc-logo-in-qr-code/
[14:57] <popey> I'd like one like that
[14:57] <jcastro> the current code just points to summit.u.c/mobile
[14:57] <popey> where the logo is actually boxy
[14:57] <nigelb> yeah, I was just about to say that
[14:58] <nigelb> we could have one QR code pointing to /today.  But that URL is now a canonical URL, but there's a bug to make it non-canonical so summits can run simultaneously.
[14:58] <nigelb> s/But that/That/g
[14:59] <jcastro> nigelb: for linaro right?
[14:59] <jcastro> that would be ideal actually
[14:59] <jcastro> the linaro shirt would have the linaro QR code
[15:00] <jcastro> then depending on which schedule you want you approach the person with the proper shirt
[15:00] <nigelb> lol
[15:00] <popey> cue people running after developers with cameras
[15:00] <popey> STAND STILL!
[15:00] <popey> "You only want me for my QR code"
[15:00] <jcastro> I think it's clever, right on the sleeve
[15:00] <nigelb> nah, behind the shirt
[15:00] <jcastro> really?
[15:00] <popey> sleeve yeah
[15:01] <nigelb> that way you can be not obvious about it
[15:01] <jcastro> well, whatever, that's design's problem, our job is to not change it
[15:01] <popey> and/or shoulder
[15:03] <mhall119> jcastro: the current qr code points to the guidebook app
[15:03] <mhall119> we wouldn't want that on shirts
[15:03] <jcastro> right
[15:03] <mhall119> we can make per-summit qr codes
[15:04] <jcastro> we'd want the mobile url, which we can modify to use whichever app we're using that UDS  (not hardcoded to Guidebook)
[15:04] <mhall119> that either point to, say /uds-p/ or /uds-p/today/
[15:04] <mhall119> ok
[15:04] <mhall119> so /uds-p/mobile
[15:04] <mhall119> or something like that
[15:04] <jcastro> why add the uds-p part?
[15:04] <jcastro> why not just keep it /mobile and always have that page point to whatever the current UDS  is
[15:05] <mhall119> because we'd have /uds-p/mobile and /linaro-p/mobile
[15:05] <jcastro> OH.
[15:05] <jcastro> right, ok, sounds good.
[15:05] <jcastro> let's do this then, when we announce UDS we'll generate the QR code
[15:05] <jcastro> and then we bless it and that's that.
[15:05] <mhall119> ok, file a bug for that feature?
[15:05] <jcastro> sure
[15:05] <mhall119> thanks
[15:05] <cjohnston> ,prmom
[15:05] <cjohnston> mornin
[15:06] <mhall119> morning
[15:06] <jcastro> I take it there's some library that makes summit generate a QR code trivial?
[15:06] <jcastro> or is it hard?
[15:06] <mhall119> jcastro: I have no idea
[15:06] <mhall119> I would assume there's a website where we can do that
[15:06] <maco> there is
[15:06] <jcastro> there's millions of them
[15:06] <maco> ive generated QR codes in an attempt to cross stitch them. turns out cross stitching a QR code takes ages
[15:06] <jcastro> I am quite certain I've seen a python library, but whatever
[15:07] <mhall119> there could be
[15:07] <nigelb> jcastro: http://qrcode.kaywa.com/img.php?s=8&d=http%3A%2F%2Fsummit.ubuntu.com%2Fuds-o%2Ftoday
[15:07] <maco> or well...like 15 hours for a 2.5" square
[15:07] <nigelb> so... there's a php lib
[15:07] <jcastro> goo.gl has one too
[15:07] <mhall119> that's a whole new level of geekdom maco
[15:07] <mhall119> I applaud you
[15:07] <nigelb> no no
[15:07] <mhall119> yes yes
[15:07] <nigelb> that's a whole new level of geekdom to stitching
[15:08] <maco> mhall119: i stopped after i did one row of the 30-ish x 30-ish QR code and multiplied by the time taken
[15:08] <mhall119> pragmatic geekdom then
[15:08] <nigelb> maco: you should start a startup that does that.  For events, you order T-shirts and we give you t-shirts with qr codes!
[15:08] <cjohnston> jcastro: by QR on the shirt, is that just for track leads?
[15:08] <nigelb> nah, everyone
[15:08] <maco> stitching ascii is a lot easier. rows tend to be similar. QR codes are so randomised, you have to look at your pattern after every stitch or two
[15:08] <nigelb> much more effective that meet and greet ;)
[15:09] <nigelb> "oh hai there, I'm $foo, can I scan the qr code on your sleeve? Btw, what's your name?"
[15:09] <maco> cjohnston: yes, thats what jcastro was talking about i think
[15:09] <cjohnston> im confused.. why do we want qr codes on the shirt
[15:09] <mhall119> nigelb: they're not going to make different shirts for every attendee
[15:09] <jcastro> yeah
[15:09] <nigelb> jcastro: whoever had the idea of the map and magnets, BIG HUGS to them.
[15:10] <jcastro> cjohnston: so everyone has the schedule handy
[15:10] <jcastro> nigelb: yeah that was clever
[15:10] <cjohnston> jcastro: on everyones shirt?
[15:10] <daker> kim0, the new cloud portal will rock ツ
[15:10] <jcastro> it's the in thing, conferences have QR codes on shirts and all that noise
[15:10] <nigelb> mhall119: No, I meant the social thing around qr code on T-shirts
[15:10] <kim0> daker: I'm sure it will :)
[15:10] <mhall119> nigelb: but, if all the shirts have the same qr code...
[15:10] <jcastro> http://androidspin.com/2010/05/18/google-io-t-shirt-qrcodes-secrets-revealed/
[15:10] <jcastro> WE CAN DO ALL SORTS OF CLEVER THINGS! ^^^
[15:11] <jcastro> "I wonder what session is on next? Come here Chris, *click*, thanks dude."
[15:11] <cjohnston> to me it doesnt make sense to put the schedule qr code on a tshirt.. i could see ubuntu links on a tshirt
[15:11] <cjohnston> but the schedule is only good for a week
[15:12] <mhall119> yeah, I like that idea better
[15:12] <cjohnston> and then your wearing a shirt with a qr code that doesnt do anyone any good
[15:12] <jcastro> hmm, good point
[15:12] <cjohnston> thats why im trying to figure this whole thing out
[15:12] <cjohnston> just put a sign on the door with a qr to the schedule
[15:12] <mhall119> that way if you're wearing your shirt out, and someone random person standing in line behind you sees it, they can get the picture and it'll bring up ubuntu.com or something
[15:12] <cjohnston> or dont even do that.. just bookmark it on your phone... that would be quicker than opening up a qr reader
[15:13] <mhall119> have it on the back of the shirt, and say something like "Find out what this is: $qrcode"
[15:13] <cjohnston> mhall119: thats what im talkin about.. a schedule is.. well.. very short term
[15:13] <cjohnston> so then someone comes up to you and they are like hey, whats this, and they go and the get a schedule that tells them nothing about anything
[15:14] <cjohnston> jcastro: are yall gonna do qr code contact info on the name badges? thats a good idea
[15:14] <jcastro> that's not my area
[15:14] <jcastro> but I think it  would be awesome
[15:14] <nigelb> yes it would
[15:14] <cjohnston> who is to bug?
[15:14] <cjohnston> I put it on my survey
[15:14] <jcastro> michelle
[15:14] <nigelb> michelle probably
[15:14] <jcastro> so dude
[15:15] <jcastro> I got it
[15:15] <nigelb> darn..too slow
[15:15] <popey> unless someone subverts this by changing their qr code to point to goaste?
[15:15] <Pici> launchpad profile urls would be neat
[15:15] <jcastro> ^^^^^^
[15:15] <mhall119> +1 launchpad profile
[15:15] <nigelb> popey: I was about to say rick roll or rebecca black... ;)
[15:15] <jcastro> michelle already gets their irc name and nick and stuff
[15:15] <popey> that too
[15:15] <paultag> oh lordy lordy
[15:15] <jcastro> and they put it in a google doc
[15:15] <cjohnston> im thinking contact info.. that way you can shoot an email or store it
[15:15] <jcastro> we have the launchpad ID in summit already (right?)
[15:15] <nigelb> yeah
[15:15] <cjohnston> ya
[15:15] <mhall119> yes
[15:15] <jcastro> so we just need summit to generate the QR codes for each attendee
[15:15] <jono> jcastro, dpm, kim0, heading out to a meeting, on my cell if needed
[15:16] <mhall119> well, we have *a* launchpad ID in summit
[15:16] <jcastro> which is in launchpad (the people who register for the sprint)
[15:16] <mhall119> not always the correct one
[15:16] <paultag> nigelb: if lp.name == popey:\n\tQR.target = "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0"
[15:16] <dpm> jono, ok
[15:16] <mhall119> jono: before you go: http://locodir.mhall119.com/
[15:16] <Cheri703> as far as contact qr codes: you could just have a sticker printer of some sort at the registration table, and people could fill out their info there, and put the sticker on their badge
[15:16] <jono> mhall119, nice!
[15:16] <jcastro> ok so everyone have a think on how we'd do personal QR codes per person in a way that won't make michelle hate us.
[15:16] <jono> that is awesome :-)
[15:17] <jono> mhall119, great to see it evolving :-)
[15:17] <Cheri703> (and seconding the thanks to whoever had the idea of those id badges)
[15:17] <jono> biab
[15:17] <paultag> yeah, bbl here as well. Stripping the deck. One love.
[15:17] <jcastro> the only problem was the metal ring ripped out of the thing
[15:17] <nigelb> oh I'm glad it wwas not just me
[15:18] <Cheri703> mine survived until I was taking it out of my bag at home, THEN it ripped -_-
[15:18] <cjohnston> jcastro: yes.. just need to laminate them
[15:18] <nigelb> I had to tape mine like thrice to make sure it stayed in once piece till after friday's party
[15:18] <jcastro> I think it happened to Daviey within like 5 minutes of him putting it on
[15:18] <jcastro> and I laughed at him and then it happened to me
[15:18] <cjohnston> nice
[15:18] <nigelb> haha
[15:19] <mhall119> Daviey breaks everythig
[15:19] <popey> +1
[15:19] <Cheri703> I'd think that not everyone would WANT their contact info on a qr code on their badge (some of the more security/privacy paranoid folks), so that's why I'd think the sticker idea, also if someone had changed their info prior to the trip, or whatever else...I dunno
[15:19] <cjohnston> nigelb broke summit
[15:19] <maco> Cheri703: i like the LP link idea
[15:20] <Pici> Cheri703: Thats why I suggested the LP page, as that is dynamically updatable.
[15:20] <maco> LP lets you hide your email addresss, but still has a contact this user link
[15:20] <Cheri703> yeah, true
[15:20] <cjohnston> not the actual email address on everyone, but you are able to contact everyone from lp
[15:20] <nigelb> cjohnston: No, I FIXED things while you folks were getting drunk ;)
[15:20] <cjohnston> no you didnt
[15:20] <cjohnston> and i have the proof... i have pictures
[15:20] <cjohnston> of YOU
[15:20] <mhall119> lol
[15:20] <jcastro> the problem with the printer idea is we'd need to bring like 5 of those things to each UDS and it would make registration suckier
[15:20] <jcastro> we did that with the photo wall
[15:20] <Cheri703> mhall119: did you ever look at the "use laptop webcame as a qr code scanner"
[15:20] <cjohnston> O:-)
[15:20] <Cheri703> ah, true jcastro
[15:21] <jcastro> which even back then didn't scale
[15:21] <Cheri703> mhall119: *idea
[15:21] <jcastro> and now UDS is like 5 times bigger
[15:21] <mhall119> Cheri703: nope
[15:21]  * mhall119 has has < 0 freetime since UDS
[15:21] <Cheri703> anyone want to write software to let you use your computer camera as a qr code scanner? If phones can do it, I'd think computers could too...
[15:21]  * Cheri703 was talking to mhall119 about this on the plane there :)
[15:21] <nigelb> mhall119: there's a bunch of reviews waiting
[15:23] <nigelb> Forever, there will be one question remaining after every UDS, "What was Keybuk thinking when he wrote summit, specifically render.py"
[15:23] <mhall119> Cheri703: http://sourceforge.net/p/decodecamera/home/
[15:23] <mhall119> nigelb: no, after UDS-P the question will be "What was Nigel thinking when he re-wrote render.py?"
[15:23] <cjohnston> yup
[15:23] <Cheri703> oooo, I was looking ALL OVER for something like that, thanks mhall119 :)
[15:24] <nigelb> I'm not sure if I want to rewrite it.
[15:24] <nigelb> Its too sucky to think about rewriting.
[15:25] <mhall119> nigelb: then the question will be "It's too bad Nigel didn't get sponsored, all because he wouldn't re-write render.py"
[15:25] <nigelb> mhall119: haha
[15:25] <nigelb> mhall119: But the thing is now, I understand render.py.
[15:25] <mhall119> the loss of innocence
[15:25] <cjohnston> mhall119: you mean you are going to rewrite summit to ensure that nigelb doesnt get sponsored?
[15:26] <mhall119> cjohnston: I have access to the box, I don't need to re-write anything to do that
[15:26] <cjohnston> lol
[15:27] <mhall119> I'll just change his "Tell me why you should get sponsorship" to "Unity sucks, I'm switching to Arch!"
[15:27] <nigelb> heh
[15:27] <nigelb> mhall119: I'll make sure Daviey watches over everything you do on that box.
[15:27] <cjohnston> i bet he agrees with mhall119
[15:28] <cjohnston> and may even beat mhall119 to the box
[15:28] <mhall119> lol
[15:28] <nigelb> mhall119: Are we deploying like mid-way through the cycle to test changes?
[15:29] <mhall119> test?
[15:29] <mhall119> that doesn't sound like summit development at all
[15:29] <cjohnston> I figure deploy when we have enough to deploy, and test when uds rolls around
[15:29] <jcastro> ^
[15:30] <cjohnston> <
[15:30] <jcastro> let's try to unkeybuk this operation as much as we can
[15:30] <mhall119> v
[15:30] <cjohnston> >
[15:30] <cjohnston> ;-)
[15:30] <nigelb> cjohnston: where's that test box you were getting for us?
[15:30] <nigelb> jcastro: ++
[15:30] <mhall119> I'm going to be setting up an ec2 instance for testing ISD projects
[15:30] <mhall119> I'll just make ones for LD and summit too, and expense them
[15:31] <nigelb> mhall119: can we have summit on there?
[15:31] <nigelb> oh yay
[15:31] <jcastro> also, when you guys are bored with ideas, steal everything you see on http://sched.org/
[15:31] <nigelb> this cycle, we're not using ideas, just making sure the castle of cards doesn't topple over.
[15:31] <cjohnston> jcastro: when your wallet gets too full, forward everything to me
[15:31] <nigelb> or me
[15:31] <mhall119> jcastro: sure, just as soon as you steal us some funding to hire developers
[15:31] <jcastro> cjohnston: then we're going jetskiing
[15:32] <cjohnston> diving
[15:32] <mhall119> you'll be diving, he'll be jetskiing all over you
[15:32] <nigelb> heh
[15:35] <nigelb> jcastro: did you see bugzilla's new theme?
[15:35] <nigelb> Its going to look modern.
[15:35] <jcastro> link?
[15:36]  * nigelb looks
[15:36] <nigelb> jcastro: http://bugzillaupdate.wordpress.com/2011/03/31/winner-of-the-make-bugzilla-pretty-contest/
[15:39] <jcastro> looks nice!
[15:41] <nigelb> I'd dare to say even better than LP.
[15:42] <jcastro> man, John Gruber is lighting up my bugmail with all this lernid stuff he's working on
[15:42] <jcastro> greg-g: another ubuntu-us-mi person making it happen. :)
[15:44] <nigelb> jcastro: doesn't fool us.  Until we have working versions across all versions of Ubuntu, we won't officially recommend it
[15:44] <jcastro> give the man some time
[15:44] <nigelb> :)
[15:44] <nigelb> But I'm really glad there's someone instead of no one
[16:09] <mhall119> +1
[16:50] <jcastro> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/367768/asus-to-ship-ubuntu-netbooks
[16:59] <popey> yay
[16:59] <mhall119> \o/
[17:00] <mhall119> aw, 10.10?
[17:00] <mhall119> either get the latest 11.04 or the LTS 10.04
[17:03] <popey> meh, better than nothing
[17:03] <popey> much better than nothing
[17:06] <mhall119> true
[17:07] <mhall119> but doesn't it also mean that the user will have a gnome-classic desktop with a notification that they should upgrate to 11.04 and then get a completely different desktop?
[17:07] <popey> dunno, i would hope they do some testing ☺
[17:07] <IdleOne> doesn't support for 10.10 finish soonish?
[17:07] <popey> and they _will_ have consulted canonical on this
[17:08] <popey> on the desktop, 12.04
[17:08] <popey> (is when it runs out.
[17:08] <popey> s/./)
[17:10] <popey> I might buy a couple for my kids
[17:10] <IdleOne> preloaded with flash
[17:10] <popey> would need java too for minecraft ;)
[17:11] <popey> i dont think the OEM agreement allows you to put non-free on it
[17:12] <IdleOne> from the article jorge linked "The Asus devices will come preloaded with Adobe Flash and Mozilla Firefox, as well as LibreOffice."
[17:12] <popey> oh duh
[17:12] <popey> thats surprising, nobody else is allowed to do that AIUI
[17:13] <popey> you can't (or at least couldn't) install Skype and still say you're shipping "Ubuntu"
[17:13] <popey> so either they're doing it without Canonical blessing (in which case they can't call it Ubuntu) or they're doing it with Canonical and the rules have changed
[17:45] <czajkowski> paultag: where did you go
[17:46] <cjohnston> +1
[18:04] <nigelb> popey: that's interesting.  I didn't know that.
[18:23] <nigelb> jcastro: Ok, so I have this doubt.  We have an icecast url field.  Why don't we ever use it?
[18:23] <nigelb> We end up with people asking why it isn't there :/
[19:14] <paultag> czajkowski: computer kicked me off the network
[19:14] <paultag> czajkowski: back on my base station, good to chat if you are
[19:14] <jcastro> jono: good day today, the merge proposals should be nice and clean tomorrow
[19:14] <paultag> fscking netbook's wifi card is iffy
[19:14] <jcastro> dude andrea azzarone landed /3/ bugfixes today
[19:14] <jcastro> the kid is on fire
[19:15] <Pendulum> paultag: glad to see you survived yesterday :P (I know you were far away from the action, but considering one of my FB friends just posted concerned about her Boston area friends I was starting to wonder if there was something I didn't know about!)
[19:16] <paultag> Pendulum: awww, gee thanks :)
[19:16] <paultag> Pendulum: I'm way far east now :)
[19:16] <paultag> Pendulum: I'm living the dream :)
[19:16] <Pendulum> haha
[19:16] <jono> jcastro, awesome
[19:16] <Pendulum> paultag: on the cape?
[19:16] <jono> jcastro, has the SRU shipped yet?
[19:17] <jcastro> not for compiz
[19:17] <paultag> Pendulum: yes ma'am! It's awesome, so awesome. I've not talked with anyone using my voice in 3 days now. I think I'm a loner
[19:17] <jcastro> jono: the unity one's in proposed, it sits in there for like a week and then like auto gets published or something like that
[19:18] <paultag> I'm just hunting for the cigars and one of the chaises, and I'll be in biz
[19:18] <Pendulum> paultag: aww. btw, if you're in Boston at all this summer we should get together!
[19:18] <paultag> Pendulum: I'll be up and down :)
[19:18] <Pendulum> :)
[19:18] <paultag> Pendulum: I'm heading up this weekend for a flight to SF
[19:18] <jcastro> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/06/drag-and-drop-google-docs-uploader/
[19:18] <Pendulum> fun
[19:18] <jcastro> this launcher is absolutely phenomenal
[19:18] <paultag> Pendulum: business :)
[19:18] <Pendulum> heh
[19:19] <jono> jcastro, cool
[19:20] <Pendulum> paultag: business can be fun
[19:20] <paultag> Pendulum: true, but this is an interview for a job, no play while i'm out there :(
[19:20] <Pendulum> aww
[19:20] <Pendulum> good luck with the interview!
[19:20] <paultag> Pendulum: thanks!
[19:21] <paultag> it'
[19:21] <paultag> it's a dream job * :)
[19:21] <Pendulum> :)
[19:21] <Pendulum> then extra good luck! I'll cross fingers for you :)
[19:21] <paultag> Pendulum: thanks!! :)
[19:28] <nigelb> hey Pendulum!
[19:28] <Pendulum> hi nigelb
[20:03] <paultag> mhall119: I have an idea that needs some love. For consistansy's sake, it'd involve django and tons of stuff you built. If you can spend a few hours here and there with me, I'd return the favor by squashing some bugs on LD / team-reports
[20:05] <paultag> not asking for code or even maintaining anything, I just need some basic help to get my berings -- I know Python really well, along with the web markups / languages :)
[20:06] <jono> jcastro, could you follow up with gord re. his action on http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-community.html ?
[20:07] <jcastro> jono: already did, he's close, he's got a mp pending on it.
[20:07] <jcastro> jono: it should resolve tomorrowish
[20:07] <jono> awesome
[20:17] <jono> jcastro, can I ask you to kick off the Q+A session tomorrow, I have three calls in a row around that time - Allison is doing it, so she knows the ropes
[20:18] <jcastro> YA
[20:18] <jcastro> hey are all the Q+As in the classroom calendar and all that now?
[20:19] <jcastro> jono: persia's adjusting my debian WI's a bit after some discussions with allison and some overlap between us; I've talked to him about it so don't flip out if it looks odd to you
[20:19] <jono> jcastro, so long as no new actions are added
[20:19] <jono> jcastro, just confirming the slots for the Q+As and then will ask pleia2 to update the cal
[20:20] <jono> jcastro, thanks for handling the Q+A tomorrow
[20:20] <jcastro> not net no, mine will just be changed to "doublecheck allison is doing this" instead of me doing it as it's on her hitlist anyway
[20:20] <jono> jcastro, cool
[20:21] <jcastro> pleia2: ok so theoretically the bot should Just Work(tm) tomorrow?
[20:22] <Pendulum> jcastro: it's not on the calendar yet, but I can add it if pleia2 isn't around
[20:23] <jono> jcastro, it should do when it is on the cal
[20:23] <jono> I am booking the next few months now so we don't have to do this so last minute
[20:23] <jcastro> oh ok, so like last cycle, it shows up 15 minutes late and on the wrong channel. :p
[20:38] <akgraner> calendar stuff all sorted
[20:42] <jussi> I didnt know this video had been made! really nice! (and spottings of our very own czajkowski and AlanBell) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG-Q7hTKCws&feature=share
[20:49] <jcastro> wow
[20:49] <jcastro> that's really great
[20:50] <mhall119> paultag: sorry for the delay, what are you up to?
[21:36] <paultag> mhall119: I'll email you later on today, I need to finish stripping my deck tonight so I can stain it in the morning
[21:36] <paultag> mhall119: I just worked out my time and I was blowing it this afternoon
[22:54] <JanC> we will probably co-organise some events in the EP (European Parliament) in Brussels with the EPFSUG (European Parliament Free Software User Group) in the future
[22:55] <JanC> I wonder if anybody is interested in speaking at such an event?
[22:59] <JanC> (Claire told EPFSUG that sabdfl won't be available anytime soon, but maybe that was a standard answer? ;) )


[05:25] <OvenWerks> ErichEickmeyer: I have done everything I can think of for -controls for now. It need a good burnout test other than just running for months on my system... which is quite static. I have tried throwing whatever I could think of at it... plug and unplug USB ports, changes of configuration, using USB device as jack master. Asking pulse to be connected to a device jack can't see etc. It does pretty good.
[05:28] <OvenWerks> There are two or maybe three commits that are not included in the build on the PPA yet. These commits are quite important as they include the whole config call which allows the "apply" button to change some things without restarting the world...
[05:30] <OvenWerks> A session restart should pick up where things were left off.
[05:32] <OvenWerks> Well with jack state, not with all jack apps running and such.
[13:17] <ErichEickmeyer> OvenWerks: Cool. I can get to testing that sometime tomorrow as I'm pretty much out of the house all day today. Also, I'll give it a real test on Wednesday by testing how it responds with a Behringer X32 console.
[15:31] <OvenWerks> The build hasn't caught up with the commits yet. Another 8 hours
[15:41] <OvenWerks> ErichEickmeyer: a few things. Once -controls has been installed, -controls should be run once if you are not using Studio as your base.  Select the X32 as your USB master (it does have to be plugged in before you run -controls for that) and set any other settings that make sense. The jack master sould be set to an internal audio device that will be your fallback audio when the x32 is unplugged. Apply the setting, logout and back in.
[15:44] <OvenWerks> That should do it.
[15:46] <OvenWerks> The weaknesses I see are that I haven't figured out how to have the daemon start at install or via the gui, it needs at least one session restart.
[15:47] <OvenWerks> The gui does not refresh when the audio devices are changed (plugged in or out).
[15:49] <OvenWerks> However, these are a one time problem for the user.
[15:51] <OvenWerks> Right now, I need to know how things work day to day.
[15:52] <OvenWerks> The first problem will not exist if -controls is installed from the iso.
[15:55] <OvenWerks> The second I will work on... but maybe not right away as I do have other things i need to get to.
[16:05] <OvenWerks> in thge mean time...
[16:05]  * OvenWerks has figgured out how to fix both of these things
[16:24] <WMRamadan> Would something like a 14” Laptop with 2GB RAM and an Intel Atom be good as a test machine?
[16:35] <OvenWerks> is the atom 64 bit?
[16:35] <OvenWerks> I guess that doesn't matter
[16:35] <OvenWerks> to try the script
[16:36] <OvenWerks> so long as it is ubuntu-oid 18.04 or later
[16:37] <OvenWerks> Even earlier will probably work somewhat. I don't know if the cpu governor will still work over boots is all.
[17:29] <WMRamadan> OvenWerks: Yea Atom is 64bit.
[17:30] <WMRamadan> I was gonna use VMs for testing but I thought maybe that wouldn’t be the best option since I need to test Carla with Midi Keyboards and external hardware!
[18:05] <preppert>  Hello.
[18:06] <preppert> Is this where the meeting is?
[18:07] <preppert> Anyone from the documentation team there?
[18:21] <preppert> Will sign off shortly.


[09:04] <CIA-7> libdebian-installer: cjwatson * r357 ubuntu/ (66 files in 8 dirs): merge from Debian 0.78
[09:16] <CIA-7> libdebian-installer: cjwatson * r358 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 0.78ubuntu1
[09:24] <CIA-7> rootskel: cjwatson * r632 ubuntu/ (5 files in 2 dirs): merge from Debian 1.95
[09:30] <CIA-7> rootskel: cjwatson * r633 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.95ubuntu1
[09:38] <CIA-7> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4725 trunk/ (configure configure.ac debian/changelog): bump to 2.7.0
[18:31] <bdmurray> cjwatson: bug 756564 has been receiving some more activity
[18:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 756564 in grub2 "After Maverick to Natty upgrade, grub won't boot and displays "symbol not found : 'grub_env_export'"" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/756564
[20:00] <cjwatson> bdmurray: pretty much every time that bug appears, it's a local misconfiguration
[20:01] <cjwatson> or any bug of that form - GRUB failing to find a symbol
[20:01] <cjwatson> it happens when the core image is out of sync with modules, which happens when grub-pc is configured to install to the wrong device
[20:05] <bdmurray> cjwatson: so it generally happens when people have been modifying grub's configuration?
[20:05] <bdmurray> cjwatson: or these type of things
[20:06] <cjwatson> botched migration from one boot loader to another; old bugs hanging around from a couple of releases of Ubuntu ago; debconf database got trashed for some reason; maybe confusion around swapping disks; etc.
[20:07] <cjwatson> http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ucgi/~cjwatson/blosxom/debian/2010-06-21-grub2-boot-problems.html describes a genuine bug that used to cause many such problems
[20:09] <cjwatson> bdmurray: I think what I'm going to do is write up some documentation for the upstream GRUB manual on what this kind of thing means and what you can do about it
[20:09] <cjwatson> I don't think there's much space for a more detailed error message, unfortunately
[21:13] <CIA-7> anna: cjwatson * r835 ubuntu/ (33 files in 3 dirs): merge from Debian 1.40
[21:14] <CIA-7> anna: cjwatson * r836 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.40ubuntu1
[23:20] <CIA-7> cdrom-checker: cjwatson * r441 ubuntu/ (34 files in 3 dirs): merge from Debian 1.21
[23:25] <CIA-7> cdrom-checker: cjwatson * r442 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.21ubuntu1
[23:58] <CIA-7> os-prober: cjwatson * r309 ubuntu/ (4 files in 3 dirs): merge from Debian 1.46
[23:59] <CIA-7> os-prober: cjwatson * r310 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.46ubuntu1


[00:34] <falcon1000> como criar um servidor ubuntu
[07:36] <dholbach> good morning
[11:51] <rj_> hello
[13:51] <ky7en> Hi ubuntu people :)
[13:51] <ubuntick> when is this starting, I don't live in US or anywhere near
[13:52] <ubuntick> ok I'm dumb, sorry
[13:56] <blue-dragon> hi guys
[13:56] <popey> hello
[13:57] <ky7en> hi
[13:57] <mhall119> o/
[13:58] <mhall119> ubuntick: it'll start in a few minutes
[13:59] <muzitech> hello
[14:00] <nik90> hello
[14:01] <belkinsa> o/ all
[14:02] <DS-McGuire> Are we on?
[14:03] <belkinsa> Seems not.
[14:03] <DS-McGuire> Well, at least I didn't miss anything haha.
[14:04] <belkinsa> Yeah, I missed like 15 minutes of the QA last night
[14:04] <DS-McGuire> I completely missed that, I was out.
[14:05] <belkinsa> \o/
[14:05] <belkinsa> I see you!
[14:05] <Akiva-Thinkpad> this the channel?
[14:05] <popey> yes Akiva-Thinkpad
[14:05] <Akiva-Thinkpad> neato
[14:05] <belkinsa> mhall119, lol.
[14:06] <belkinsa> Please us QUESTION: to ask the question.
[14:10] <DS-McGuire> QUESTION: What sort of privacy does a user have when using a scope?
[14:10] <Akiva-Thinkpad> dc/d ; what did I miss?
[14:11] <popey> oooh, paid apps
[14:11] <nik90> popey: where?
[14:11] <mhall119> coming soon
[14:11] <popey> soon
[14:11] <popey> ☻
[14:11] <nik90> cool
[14:12] <Akiva-Thinkpad> you and your unicode :P
[14:12] <popey> yeah, this time next year, you'll be millionaires ☻
[14:12] <nik90> Akiva-Thinkpad: you mean ☻...I think ☻ is coool
[14:13] <Akiva-Thinkpad> mmmm yah
[14:14] <Akiva-Thinkpad> QUESTION: Will there be a payment option similar to "Pay what you want", like the way Ubuntu and the humble indie bundle does it?
[14:14] <popey> ooh, that would be cool
[14:14] <DS-McGuire> QUESTION: So does a local search on the phone with the scopes enabled send information out?
[14:14] <DS-McGuire> Thanks for answering the question though :)
[14:14] <blue-dragon777> will we ever have the option to move the top menu bar to the lower side or the side of the screen(because of widescreens)?
[14:15] <Akiva-Thinkpad> QUESTION ^
[14:15] <belkinsa> QUESTION: To Oli, will phone number identity be recorded by the scopes and if so, will that be able to be turned off?
[14:17] <Akiva-Thinkpad> QUESTION: Bitcoin payment option (Popey's favourite currency)?
[14:17] <DS-McGuire> That makes sense, I haven;t played with a newer version of Ubuntu touch so that's why i am out of the loop.
[14:17] <popey> hah
[14:17] <belkinsa> Oh good, that permission lurks me.
[14:17] <mhall119> bitcoin is still a thing?
[14:18] <Akiva-Thinkpad> mhall119, it behooves me, but :/
[14:18] <mrbrownstone> QUESTION:  Has there been any further work on the the tablet side stage or will that happen after rtm for the phone?
[14:18] <belkinsa> Rurks me*
[14:18] <nik90> hmm there is a Ubuntu webapp in the store
[14:19] <popey> QUESTION: Can I still 'side-load' apps using adb push / pkcon install-local once signing comes in?
[14:19] <ubunv> hey
[14:19] <ubunv> whi's there?
[14:20] <popey> hi
[14:20] <mhall119> ubunv: are you on ubuntuonair.com?
[14:20] <nik90> QUESTION: Any ETA on when newly added apps to the store will be shown under a new category (department) like "Newly Added"?
[14:20] <popey> ooh, good question
[14:20] <ubunv> yes
[14:20] <ubunv> i've came to ask questions
[14:20] <ubunv> is this thé place
[14:20] <popey> yes
[14:21] <popey> prefix your questions with QUESTION:
[14:21] <mhall119> ubunv: watch the video and ask your questions here starting with QUESTION
[14:21] <Akiva-Thinkpad> QUESTION: Will there be a design session or conference for the Unity8's tablet design?
[14:21] <blue-dragon777> QUESTION: will we ever have the option to move the top menu bar to the lower side or the side of the
[14:21] <ubunv> i'll Côme back via m'y PC im on m'y smartphone now ciao
[14:22] <belkinsa> QUESTION: Will users see permissions for what apps do when they install them?
[14:22] <nik90> belkinsa: not when you install them, but rather when app tries to access a particular resource
[14:23] <belkinsa> I see.
[14:23] <ubunv> question: when are you releasing thé final version for ubuntu phone os ?
[14:25] <ubunv> question:will thé final ubuntu os for phone will be fully fonctional for thé nexus 4 because its not thé case now?
[14:25] <Akiva-Thinkpad> ubunv, do you mean RTM as the "Final Release?"
[14:26] <ubunv> yes
[14:27] <DS-McGuire> RTM means release to manufactures
[14:28] <ubunv> are you answering m'y question hère or on thé vidéo?
[14:29] <belkinsa> On the video.
[14:29] <nik90> ubunv: video
[14:29] <DS-McGuire> QUESTION: I can remember reading (I can't find it anymore) that we could use some code from Meego (the abandoned) Nokia platform, the code in question was how apps launch and how Meego did it so quickly, is this true?
[14:31] <hevans> QUESTION: Will the Nexus 4 continue to be the design platform for Ubuntu for devices after RTM?  If so how long with this remain the case?
[14:32] <Akiva-Thinkpad> thanks mhall119 !
[14:32] <DS-McGuire> That is. So. Much. Better than Android. OMG
[14:32] <belkinsa> mhall119, I see.
[14:34] <tyler_d> how will the ubuntu phone handle hotspot access via wireless for forced portals?
[14:34] <belkinsa> QUESTION ^^^
[14:34] <tyler_d> QUESTION: how will the ubuntu phone handle hotspot access via wireless for forced portals?
[14:34] <Akiva-Thinkpad> bah beat me to it >_<
[14:34] <tyler_d> ;) belkinsa
[14:36] <Akiva-Thinkpad> QUESTION: Before RTM, which application needs the most work, so I know which to contribute to?
[14:36] <belkinsa> Watch the time guys...:)
[14:36] <nik90> ohh mhall119 has the batman mug
[14:36]  * nik90 wants one
[14:36] <scarf1988> have you tried to install the Ubuntu Mobile OS on HTC M8?
[14:37] <DS-McGuire> olli: Thanks for the answer :)
[14:37] <belkinsa> scarf1988, please check out XDA developers, someone might have a port or you can port it yourself.
[14:37] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Batman!
[14:37] <belkinsa> The ubuntu Touch site has a porting guide.
[14:37] <nik90> lol
[14:38] <hevans> Thank you.
[14:38] <olli> popey, now that Dash is an app...
[14:39] <beuno> sneaky
[14:39] <Akiva-Thinkpad> hmm? as in you can uninstall the dash?
[14:39] <olli> Akiva-Thinkpad, no, but it behaves like an app e.g. in the spread (app switcher)
[14:40] <Akiva-Thinkpad> olli, ah
[14:40] <Akiva-Thinkpad> thanks
[14:40] <olli> i.e. it shows up in the app stack and you can switch right back to it
[14:40] <mhall119> nik90: the mug was my birthday present this year :)
[14:40] <nik90> mhall119: well who ever gave it has good taste :)
[14:40] <mhall119> the wife :)
[14:40] <nik90> :D
[14:40] <popey> olli: me?
[14:41] <DS-McGuire> Are there any more up to date demos of the phones guys>?
[14:41] <Akiva-Thinkpad> popey, was working on the calender; what do you need now.
[14:41] <mhall119> DS-McGuire: make friends on Google+, lots of people post videos they make
[14:41] <olli> popey, just thought that now that the dash is an app, it might be the one running for "app that needs most work"
[14:41] <popey> olli: haha, i see ☻
[14:41] <popey> Akiva-Thinkpad: we have some work on terminal that needs completing. I'll mention it in my update coming up
[14:42] <popey> Akiva-Thinkpad: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-terminal-dev/ubuntu-terminal-app/require-password-screenlock/+merge/231064 this one
[14:42] <nik90> popey: look at olli trying to steal contributors from the core apps ;P
[14:42] <popey> yeah, no chance
[14:42] <mhall119> lol
[14:42] <DS-McGuire> I am in a lot of communities on there, I don't see a lot to be honest.
[14:42] <Akiva-Thinkpad> oh wow; I am really glad that the terminal is going to be a core app
[14:42] <Akiva-Thinkpad> I thought it was going to be taken out by the manufacturers
[14:42] <mhall119> Akiva-Thinkpad: core != installed by default
[14:42] <popey> well, there's no guarantee _any_ core app will be installed by default
[14:43] <Akiva-Thinkpad> mhall119, ;_;
[14:43] <popey> I doubt any manufacturer would install file manager or terminal by default
[14:43] <popey> but it's in the store
[14:43] <popey> the problem is if we don't implement the above merge, we could risk it even being in the store!
[14:43] <popey> so it's critical we get that merge finished.
[14:43] <DS-McGuire> popey: That's a good thing. No normal user should be in the ternimal :)
[14:43] <popey> indeed
[14:43] <popey> but nerds like us ... ☻
[14:43] <DS-McGuire> It's a must have.
[14:44] <Akiva-Thinkpad> fun fact; I use the file manager instead of nautilus
[14:44] <Akiva-Thinkpad> it really looks nice
[14:44] <popey> nice!
[14:44] <popey> also http://i.imgur.com/Ntu399y.png
[14:44] <mhall119> it really does, doesn't it
[14:44] <nik90> +
[14:44] <sonicgio> why is ubuntu touch not availble for Samsung galaxy s i9000
[14:44] <Akiva-Thinkpad> HOLY !!!1
[14:44] <Akiva-Thinkpad> !!!@111one
[14:44] <popey> I know, right!?
[14:44] <belkinsa> sonicgio, please check out XDA developers, someone might have a port or you can port it yourself.
[14:44] <belkinsa> The ubuntu Touch site has a porting guide.
[14:44]  * Akiva-Thinkpad posts this on reddit
[14:44] <popey> haha
[14:45] <popey> the cool old term dev is working on that
[14:45] <sonicgio> belkinsa, yeah i know but thats a very old version
[14:45] <popey> that is a preliminary screenshot from a couple of weeks ago
[14:45] <sonicgio> thats a preview and not a working one
[14:45] <belkinsa> Ask the one that is porting it if they need help, sonicgio.
[14:46] <Akiva-Thinkpad> popey, this is something you developed, or someone else?
[14:46]  * Akiva-Thinkpad needs a reddit title
[14:46] <popey> the cool old term upstream developer is integrating it
[14:46] <sonicgio> belkinsa, how can i port i myself is there a page for that i have learn to code
[14:46] <popey> https://github.com/Swordifish90/cool-old-term
[14:46] <belkinsa> Is there a way to make screenshots on Ubuntu Touch or is that a feature still in development?  (I don't want this to be on air since it's off topic)
[14:47] <nik90> belkinsa: phablet-screenshot?
[14:47] <popey> its already available for the desktop, and the upstream dev has kindly ported it to ubuntu touch.
[14:47] <nik90> belkinsa: or do you mean as an app on ubuntu touch?
[14:47] <belkinsa> sonicgio, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting
[14:47] <ubunv> Question: the parameters are not save on the nexus 4,they come back to the default. Will it be possible to save our configurations?
[14:47] <belkinsa> On the device itself.
[14:47] <mhall119> ubunv: parameters of what?
[14:48] <nik90> belkinsa: I am not sure...afaik I don't know of any
[14:48] <belkinsa> As in the key combo that allows users to take a screenshot of the screen.
[14:48] <ubunv> Question: of bluethoot data wifi if i disable it it come back on
[14:48] <belkinsa> nik90, okay.  Thank you.
[14:50] <popey> http://projects.davidplanella.org/stats/utopic
[14:51] <mhall119> belkinsa: the Unity/Mir team were talking about using a key combo similar to Android for that
[14:51] <belkinsa> Good to hear
[14:51] <mhall119> I think they were still working out what to do with the screenshot once it was taken, whether to put it in the gallery or open the content-hub or something
[14:51] <belkinsa> Ah.
[14:52] <ubunv> Question: On the nexus 4 there is a big problem, the fact that if the battery discharge completely you would have to desasemble the phone,would this problem wont be one soon?
[14:52] <belkinsa> For reminders app, \o/ for the design stuff
[14:53] <nik90> ubunv: huh? I have never had to do that
[14:53] <belkinsa> Another question for off air, will there be a app or a scope for Internet streaming radio?
[14:53] <nik90> ubunv: there were few times when my battery ran out completey...charging it for some time and then turning them in works
[14:54] <mhall119> belkinsa: daker's rad.io app is already in the store
[14:54] <belkinsa> Alright, I will look at ut.
[14:54] <belkinsa> it*
[14:54] <ky7en> QUESTION: On the Nexus 7 II or other tablet with Android 4+ will be option to install dualboot system?
[14:55] <ubunv> I never tried to discharge the phone completely but its wroted on the ubuntu site with the tutorial to install it on nexus 4
[14:55] <mhall119> ubunv: I think that's been resolved for some time, we might just need to update the docs
[14:56] <Nothing_Much> Oh darn, I missed most of it
[14:56] <LeAstrale> me2 unfortunately, had to get off work.
[14:56] <mhall119> Nothing_Much: it'll be available to re-watch in a little bit
[14:57] <Nothing_Much> mhall119: yeah, I didn't have that many questions anyways
[14:58] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DualBootInstallation
[14:59] <olli> I need to run to another meeting, will stay on IRC if there are more questions
[14:59] <olli> thx everyone
[15:00] <wesleymason> I recently had issues with dual-booting on the 2013 Nexus 7 with the dualboot.sh, not patching SU correctly, but there's a very nice thirdparty app called MultiROM that supports dualbooting touch and worked patching SU nicely
[15:00] <DS-McGuire> woo! Global Jam!
[15:00] <Nothing_Much> workshops? oh man
[15:00] <Akiva-Thinkpad> is there an ubuntu sdk irc channel?
[15:01] <popey> Akiva-Thinkpad: they tend to lurk in #ubuntu-app-devel
[15:01] <Akiva-Thinkpad> okay doke
[15:01] <popey> thanks everyone
[15:01] <DS-McGuire> If anybody wants help with documentation come find us at #ubuntu-doc :)
[15:02] <DS-McGuire> See ya guys!!
[15:02] <Nothing_Much> nice
[15:02] <mhall119> thanks everyone
[15:02] <nik90> see ya, bye
[15:02] <Nothing_Much> oh man, now I need to figure out that ubuntu summet thing and global jam
[15:02] <mhall119> Nothing_Much: we'll be doign something for Global Jam at FOSSETCON
[15:03] <Nothing_Much> mhall119: Didn't FOSSETTCON happen already?
[15:03] <DS-McGuire> Anybody know where the global jams are in the uk?
[15:03] <mhall119> popey: ^^
[15:03] <mhall119> Nothing_Much: no, it's Sept. 11-13
[15:04] <Nothing_Much> ohh
[15:04] <ky7en> bye
[15:04] <popey> DS-McGuire: not defined yet
[15:04] <DS-McGuire> popey: Thanks :)
[16:54] <Kali_Linux> hiiii
[16:54] <Kali_Linux> whats up guys
[16:54] <Kali_Linux> hmmmmmmmm :)
[16:56] <Nothing_Much> Hey Kali_Linux
[16:56] <Nothing_Much> I think it's over, is it not?
[16:56] <Kali_Linux> hello bro
[16:56] <Kali_Linux> i just need help with ,y ubuntu
[16:56] <Kali_Linux> i can't install good themes
[16:57] <Kali_Linux> my *
[16:57] <Nothing_Much> Kali_Linux: Ah okay, for general support, check out #ubuntu, dude
[16:57] <Nothing_Much> This channel's reserved for the devs of Ubuntu to answer questions :)
[16:57] <Kali_Linux> thanks
[17:00] <Kali_Linux> guys i just wana to build os based on linux
[17:01] <Nothing_Much> Kali_Linux: Try out LFS (Linux from Scratch) if you're going to do that o.o
[17:01] <Kali_Linux> linx ubuntu i will add some pentest tools
[17:01] <Kali_Linux> hhhh :D
[17:03] <Kali_Linux> are you real ubuntu team?
[19:33] <cowboy> why does my upgrade to 14.04 not work? it has totally messed up my machined
[19:34] <cowboy> it will not let me reinstall it
[19:34] <cowboy> does anyone have a answer
[19:35] <cowboy> i guess there is no one here


[02:27] <lopta> Anyone have thoughts on Lubuntu Vs. Xubuntu for a desktop PC that gets use mostly for Web browsing?
[05:50] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[05:59] <zmoylan-pi> morning mammals
[06:05] <brobostigon> morning krikkets
[06:12] <knightwise> good morning !
[06:13] <brobostigon> morning
[06:15] <knightwise> another day at the office :) Just arrived in Brussels
[06:29] <knightwise> Been doing some archiving at home . found a massive podcast collection from 2005 with a bunch of old shows
[06:36] <brobostigon> :)
[06:38] <knightwise> even the very first episodes of the knightcast
[06:38] <knightwise> medium to high cringe factor
[09:34] <knightwise> i think everyones keyboard melted today
[09:34] <knightwise> Mine is probably getting replayced btw
[09:36] <zmoylan-pi> those ibm model m's are designed to survive a 1950s atom test... :-)
[09:40] <knightwise> Yeah. I have a 2017 macbook pro with a butterfly keyboard. Need I say more ?
[09:41] <knightwise> if as much as an ameoba gets stuck under the keys, the jam up
[09:42] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: i'm gearing up my Pi3 to become my dedicated remote CLI machine, Ive found a 128 gig USB stick that I had lying around.
[09:43] <knightwise> So with SSH, Tmux and some other apps I think I can get teh max out of that little machine
[09:43] <knightwise> What apps (cli) are you running on your pi ?
[09:52] <zmoylan-pi> irssi, newsbeuter, sc, ttytter, nano for editor, lynx for web browsing (no graphics), still looking for a database i like
[09:52] <knightwise> sc ?
[09:53] <zmoylan-pi> spreadsheet, i use as easy as on my desktop but occasionly i use sc on the pi
[09:54] <zmoylan-pi> i've even considered getting a pi-top laptop so i can bring my console addiction to my travelling computer
[09:55] <knightwise> well, you can get just about any older laptop and use it by only installing the cli version of linux . nu ?
[09:55] <knightwise> no ?
[09:57] <zmoylan-pi> yeah, but i like the idea of limited small laptops. and with the pi-top you should be able to upgrade as new pi's are releaed
[09:58] <knightwise> 319 Dollars ? ? whow
[09:58] <zmoylan-pi> not cheap, no...
[09:59] <zmoylan-pi> i've gotten used to spending about €250 for my laptops, spoiled i am in the eu :-)
[10:00] <knightwise> Hmm; the Pi-Tab is also interesting
[10:00] <zmoylan-pi> yeah, couple that with a solid usb keyboard and you'd also have a full linux distro laptop...
[10:01] <knightwise> nice toy to play around with
[10:02] <zmoylan-pi> a full linux distro is not a toy... coz linux sux at gaming :-P
[10:02] <knightwise> lol true
[10:05] <knightwise> hmm. i SSH in from my ipad pro to my Pi @ home. I get a pretty good fullscreen cli experience with that while only using minimal bandwidth
[10:06] <knightwise> even works on the train
[10:22] <zmoylan-pi> turning a locked down appliance into a real computer
[11:17] <knightwise> yep , works surprisingly well
[11:21] <knightwise> and it looks cool
[12:35] <knightwise> listening back to an archive of podcasts from 2005 .. oh boy
[13:03] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: have you ever played with exposing the pi webserver and making it do things with py scripts ? like triggering your google home etc
[13:12] <zmoylan-pi> no, i see the pi at home as a simple tool that i only use when at home. i've looked into exposing it to the internet for remote access outside of the house but i'd want to feel more confident in that i could secure it
[13:12] <zmoylan-pi> a lot more confident
[13:19] <knightwise> True, what ports do you expose , only ssh ?
[13:30] <daftykins> never seen that before, my bank told google automatically about my new card details to update their payment system o0
[13:33] <mgdm> that's happened to me with Apple Pay before
[13:46] <daftykins> interesting
[13:46] <daftykins> i'd have seen that happen if it does on google pay, but my phone with the older card reg'd died, so i didn't see the transition
[13:47] <zmoylan-pi> only ssh on the rasp-pi atm
[13:48] <mgdm> it was quite handy because I could use my phone to pay for things 3 days before the card showed up :)
[13:48] <zmoylan-pi> saw a plonker paying with an apple watch for the first time yesterday. looked super awkward trying to twist wrist to touch the reader with the watch while filling hands with groceries
[13:50] <mgdm> it's always fun to watch (ahem) those folk on the London Underground
[14:00] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: xD
[20:59] <brobostigon> https://photos.app.goo.gl/v4RDXg92PovXoyMQ8 :)
[21:03] <zmoylan-pi> only 1 of each? pft... newb... :-P
[21:03] <brobostigon> haha, :)
[21:04] <zmoylan-pi> you're supposed to have a 5lb bag of d4s alone just so you can scatter them on the floor and stop a hoard on ninjas :-D
[21:04] <brobostigon> :D
[21:05] <zmoylan-pi> another 5lb of d20s so you can honestly tell a police officer that you critically hit that mugger :-P
[21:07] <brobostigon> hehe
[21:08] <zmoylan-pi> and enough pencils that you could in a pinch put vampire hunter on job applications
[21:09] <brobostigon> or enough that i can put, arcane magic expert on my cv.
[21:11] <zmoylan-pi> more than that... https://www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/2vf84f/how_to_incorporate_dd_into_your_resume/
[21:11] <brobostigon> :)


[00:30] <ScottK> cjwatson: OK.  It seemed odd I'd get an email from LP about something I'd uploaded to Debain and not touched.
[06:08] <xnox> cjwatson: ScottK: kdepim is the highest dependency chain in boost transition. I will check if i can fast track that branch of the transition quicker.
[10:07] <apachelogger> slangasek, ScottK: it helps not having multiple bug reports on the same issue ... bug 1172534 ... I reached the same conclusion though, for some reason ubiquity/d-i ends up creating a grub.cfg without quite splash, which may or may not be related to us overriding GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR via /etc/default/grub.d
[10:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1172534 in kubuntu-settings (Ubuntu) "plymouth boot splash does not show on an installed system" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1172534
[13:16] <ScottK> slangasek: Would you please review the kubuntu-settings upload for raring?
[18:29] <bdmurray> I'm adding saucy to the meta-release-development file since someone wants to upgrade badly
[18:31] <infinity> bdmurray: Works for me.
[18:32] <bdmurray> although I think there needs to be some changes to ubuntu-release-upgrader for S
[20:21] <phillw> Hi, just a quick question, there is not an AMD64-MAC netboot iso listed (nor was there for 13.04). I'm just tidying up our minimal install page which uses those Iso's and cannot find one.
[20:23] <cjwatson> That's right.
[20:25] <cjwatson> Perhaps we ought to (roughly the same reasoning applies), but it's never been important enough to justify the work since the netboot ISO is mostly a convenience thing and real network deployments use PXE anyway.
[20:26] <phillw> cjwatson: with the inability to install from an alternate image now. I'd not lose any sleep over it :/
[20:27] <phillw> well, actually that may be wrong.. but you can no longer upgrade
[20:28] <infinity> cjwatson: Are there still master plans to purge amd64+mac with fire, or have we given up the fight?
[20:28] <cjwatson> slangasek owned that, last I checked
[20:28] <cjwatson> May have deferred it a bit
[20:28]  * infinity nods.
[20:30] <phillw> oh? is there no longer a need of amd64+mac? (me thinks 2 less sets of iso's for lubuntu to test :) )
[20:35] <stgraber> phillw: there's currently still a need for it. infinity just asked what was the progress on making amd64 images bootable on mac which would then allow us to get rid of amd64+mac
[20:37] <phillw> stgraber: from my very limited knowledge, it is to do with EFI (the precurser UEFI). But, I know little of the tweaks needed :)
[20:38] <cjwatson> phillw: http://askubuntu.com/questions/37999/what-is-different-about-the-mac-iso-image contains a technical explanation from me
[20:39] <cjwatson> But I think a reasonably comprehensible one
[20:41] <phillw> cjwatson: I can't believe it! I was actually close in my understanding of the difference. That is pretty close to 1st for me!
[20:41] <phillw> thanks
[20:43] <cjwatson> heh, ok :)
[20:45] <phillw> I'll go and 'blow some minds' on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing/Why_So_Many_ISOs#AMD64.2B-Mac which was pointing to https://answers.launchpad.net/mactel-support/+question/162838 Yours seems a much better explantion
[21:00] <phillw> cjwatson: no mad rush, but can you check you are happy with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing/Why_So_Many_ISOs/#AMD64.2B-Mac and the link it points to (basically, I changed your email to your nick on this channel).
[21:02] <cjwatson> phillw: the summary wasn't really accurate - it's EFI vs. UEFI is irrelevant, the problem is that it can't cope with hybrid images.  I've rewritten that part
[21:02] <cjwatson> phillw: I would prefer that you linked to askubuntu.com directly rather than copying my answer into the wiki, please
[21:03] <phillw> okies, I'll change the link :)
[21:04] <phillw> cjwatson: I'm an old hand on ubuntu forum so I can point directly to an answer. Is this possible with askubuntu?
[21:05] <adam_g> zul,  i need to do a glanceclient upload, is sdist okay for generating the upstream tarball from master?
[21:05] <cjwatson> phillw: there's a "share" link below the answer
[21:05] <zul> adam_g:  yep
[21:06] <phillw> found it :)
[21:08] <phillw> cool, I'll know that in future (I'm a forum user :) ) Again, thanks,
[21:47] <phillw> ScottK: are you xubuntu ?
[21:47] <ScottK> No.
[21:48] <phillw> drat, who is it now?
[21:49] <phillw> Riddell: are you xubuntu?
[21:49] <Riddell> phillw: nope
[21:49] <Riddell>  /join #xubuntu might be the way to find out
[21:50] <phillw> ahh, of all the names.... it is knome !
[21:52] <phillw> knome: I've got an incoming email to your group which seems to apply to both lubuntu and xubuntu. I'm not sure if I posting rights to your dev-mailing list so it may need approving.
[21:52] <phillw> Riddell: ScottK https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Leaders :)
[22:06] <ScottK> phillw: We already knew we weren't Xubuntu leaders, no need to tell us.
[22:36] <knome> phillw?
[22:37] <knome> phillw, i don't see any pending mail
[22:44] <phillw> knome: it was sent to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:44] <knome> hmm, i don't think that list exists. our is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:45] <knome> phillw, https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
[22:45] <phillw> knome: IDK if there is a more up to date listing, I got that from https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev
[22:46] <ScottK> He just gave you a more up to date listing.
[22:46] <knome> hmm.
[22:46] <phillw> knome: maybe update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Leaders ?
[22:46] <knome> phillw, with what?
[22:47] <phillw> ScottK: indeed he did, but I'm using the wiki area, which most people would :)
[22:47] <ScottK> No.  You're not.
[22:48] <knome> i don't actually know why the xubuntu-dev team in LP even has a mailing list
[22:48] <knome> it never occurred to me it has one, or that anybody would use it
[22:48] <phillw> knome: it is the one listed on the wiki page, so it is one I used?
[22:51] <ScottK> No.  It's not.
[22:51] <ScottK> It's listed on the launchpad page.
[22:51] <ScottK> lists.ubuntu.com is the normal place to start looking for such lists.
[22:53] <Noskcaj> ScottK, it is? to anyone new to ubuntu, whatever is on the wiki would be where you go
[22:54] <ScottK> Right, but the wiki doesn't mention the LP mailing list, so it's unrelated.
[22:58] <phillw> I follow the links on  the wiki pages, sorry if that seems a daft way to track down on of our family flavours to get in touch with. i must be old fashioned :D
[22:59] <ScottK> New, I think just clicking on links without thinking much about it is the new way.
[22:59] <ScottK> New/No
[23:49] <slangasek> ScottK, apachelogger: kubuntu-settings... so I'm happy to accept this workaround into raring, but what's the correct long-term fix?
[23:49] <slangasek> I don't understand why update-grub gets called with wrong input at install time currently
[23:50]  * ScottK looks at apachelogger.
[23:53] <slangasek> infinity, cjwatson: yep, I still have some purty Mac hardware at home that I'm supposed to be using to iterate CD stuff on so we can ditch amd64+mac.... but I can't remember where I buried my tuits


[01:27] <jcastro> asac: around?
[01:35] <asac> 2:35 AM
[01:35] <asac> jcastro: ;)
[01:35] <jcastro> I was just hoping heh
[01:35] <asac> "I am your dream" ;)
[01:35] <jcastro> do you remember what you did to that gears .xpi to make it work in prism?
[01:36] <jcastro> I did a reinstall and realized that gears isn't supported in amd64
[01:36] <asac> yes. adding<EMAIL_ADDRESS>as targetApplication
[01:36] <asac> e.g. copy the first targetApplication block in install.rdf
[01:36] <jcastro> ah
[01:36] <jcastro> ok
[01:36] <asac> and use minVersion 1.9 and maxVersion 1.9.*
[01:36] <asac> or 1.9.0.*
[01:36] <jcastro> minVersion 1.9?
[01:36] <asac> yes
[01:36] <jcastro> my prism seems to be .9 something
[01:37] <jcastro> oh I see, that's the xulrunner version?
[01:37] <jcastro> ok and how do I edit the .xpi, just unzip it and rezip it?
[01:37] <asac> jcastro: yeah that (in theory) should enable gears on all xul-apps
[01:37] <asac> jcastro: yeah zipping out and in
[01:38] <asac> jcastro: you can also add prism as targetApplication explicitly. but i somehow still think it might work on all xulapps ;) (maybe a dream ;))
[01:38] <asac> and i dont know the prism id, so<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is safe
[01:38] <jcastro> ok
[01:50] <jcastro> version doesn't seem to work
[01:59] <asac> jcastro: you probably did a typo
[01:59] <asac> somewhere ;)
[10:49] <asac> [reed]: awake?
[10:49] <[reed]> asac: sadly, yes
[10:49] <asac> [reed]: :) did anyone consider that 3.0.9 is now released like 18 hours before the jaunty final release ;)?
[10:50] <[reed]> yes, we're well-aware
[10:50] <asac> good
[10:50] <[reed]> it was supposed to be tomorrow
[10:50] <[reed]> and justdave and I said NO
[10:50] <[reed]> but two days should be enough split
[10:50] <asac> k. just noticed that you realigned releases because of fedora releases ;)
[10:50] <asac> lets hope.
[10:50] <[reed]> ubuntu never releases early on release date
[10:50] <[reed]> day
[10:51] <[reed]> so, I'm not worried
[10:51] <asac> [reed]: yeah. we usually release at 1700 UTC
[10:51] <asac> at least i think
[10:51] <asac> let me ask release masters
[10:54] <BUGabundo> 17h? that's a bit early eheh
[10:54] <BUGabundo> I've seen it come at 20h GMT
[10:55] <asac> 11:54 < slangasek> it's meant to happen during business hours in the UK
[10:55] <asac> [reed]: ^^
[10:55] <asac> so earlier than 1800UTC
[10:56] <[reed]> they've never been on time before
[10:56] <asac> but given that you probably won't will push back until after release, i guess we just have to see what happens (most likely nothing happens ... but i am not a mirror guy)
[10:56] <asac> yeah
[10:56] <asac> hehe
[10:56] <asac> i would think if you share mirrors that also ship CDs you will see bustage
[10:56] <[reed]> I do know that a lot of our mirrors are your mirrors, too
[10:57] <[reed]> and they can't handle both Firefox and Ubuntu at the same time
[10:57] <asac> [reed]: also CD mirrors?
[10:57] <[reed]> we're way bigger than Ubuntu, though
[10:57] <gnomefreak> LTS is supported for 3 years for desktop or is it 18 months?
[10:57] <[reed]> asac: some, I'm sure
[10:57] <asac> [reed]: bigger yes. but i guess the data asked from CD mirrors is really high ;)
[10:57] <[reed]> yeah, it saturates them pretty heavily
[10:58] <asac> but lets see. you guys thought about it, so its probably all right
[10:58] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: LTS is 3 why Desktop, 5 server
[10:58] <[reed]> yeah, we talked to mirror operators and release team about it
[10:58] <[reed]> two day gap should work out
[10:58] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: thanks
[10:59] <[reed]> and we can easily throw more bandwidth at us if needed
[10:59] <asac> [reed]: let me know how it went ;)
[10:59] <asac> i think its less than 18 hours ;)
[11:00] <[reed]> "its" ?
[11:00] <[reed]> you mean Firefox release?
[11:00] <[reed]> it's in 12 hours
[11:00] <[reed]> though, we'll start seeding the mirrors in a few hours
[11:00] <[reed]> when Toronto wakes up
[11:01] <asac> [reed]: spread between ffox rolls out and ubuntu release
[11:01] <asac> is less than 18 hours ;)
[11:01] <asac> er
[11:01] <asac> less than 36 i mean ;)
[11:01] <[reed]> yeah, about to say
[11:01] <[reed]> considering you're on Thursday
[11:01] <[reed]> and we're on Tuesday
[11:02] <[reed]> you may be delayed slightly, depending on how your mirrors are doing
[11:02] <[reed]> we'll see
[11:02] <BUGabundo> wait, what FF release will that be?
[11:03] <[reed]> 3.0.9
[11:03] <BUGabundo> ahh don't care then
[11:03] <BUGabundo> eheh
[11:03] <BUGabundo> I just use 3.6
[11:03] <[reed]> asac: you working on getting 3.0.9 ready to go?
[11:03] <BUGabundo> when will 3.5 it the AllBetas site?
[11:03] <[reed]> like, at least to intrepid, and then to jaunty as soon as archive reopens?
[11:03] <gnomefreak> asac: any reason we are skipping/skiped firefox 3.0.9?
[11:03] <[reed]> better not be skipping 3.0.9...
[11:03] <asac> [reed]: no. i stop doing security updates :-P
[11:03] <asac> security is overvalued ;)
[11:04] <asac> j.k
[11:04] <[reed]> lol
[11:04] <asac> gnomefreak: 3.0.9 isnt out yet, so we had no chance to skip it
[11:04] <BUGabundo> what IMPORTANT fixes does this bring?
[11:04] <asac> [reed]: we release 24 hours after archive opens. i think jaunty-security is already open too
[11:04] <gnomefreak> I'm just going on your last comment in bug 187313
[11:04] <asac> so i we shift stuff there ven before we released
[11:05] <asac> [reed]: err "we release 24 after mozilla releases"
[11:05] <asac> ;)
[11:05] <[reed]> that's fixed in 3.0.10
[11:05] <asac> yeah
[11:05] <gnomefreak> [reed]: i thought it was fixed already
[11:05] <asac> (sorry, i am still not really awake. did bug triaging till half past 4 am)
[11:05] <[reed]> gnomefreak: on 3.5+, yes
[11:05] <[reed]> not 3.0.x
[11:06] <gnomefreak> [reed]: ah that makes sense thanks
[11:44] <gnomefreak> asac: What is the right package to assign for lang packs?
[11:44] <asac> gnomefreak: depends. whats the problem?
[11:45] <gnomefreak> asac: bug 364459
[11:45] <asac> gnomefreak: assign to langpack-o-matic
[11:46] <asac> thats a product i think (not a package)
[11:46] <asac> invalidate the ubuntu task
[11:46] <gnomefreak> k
[16:56] <asac> jcastro: ah. ok. you should rather unzip it in /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/extensions/{000a9d1c-beef-4f90-9363-039d445309b8}
[17:42] <asac> wow
[17:42] <asac> nsLocale.cpp: In static member function 'static PRUnichar* nsCharTraits<short unsigned int>::copy(PRUnichar*, const PRUnichar*, size_t)':
[17:42] <asac> nsLocale.cpp:7393545: error: expected type-specifier
[17:42] <asac> that means line 7.3 million something