[00:35] <betabertus> hey guys
[00:36] <betabertus> anyone awake here?
[05:10] <Kilos> morning superfly not_found and others
[05:44] <jabberwocky93> morning all
[05:44] <Kilos> hi jabberwocky93 Spekko nuvolari_
[05:45] <Spekko> More Kilos
[05:45] <jabberwocky93> more Kilos
[06:02] <nuvolari_> o/ hallo oom Kilos
[06:35] <inetpro> good morning
[06:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[06:56] <Kilos> morning inetpro ThatGraemeGuy
[07:29] <Kilos> hi Xethron
[08:09] <Kilos> hi bduk1
[08:10] <Kilos> superfly, can you set a compose key in 14.04
[08:11] <Kilos> unity shows its disabled and google dont find how to enable it
[08:11] <Kilos> hi drussell where you okes hid the compose key enable button
[08:12] <Kilos> is it only za peeps that use it?
[08:15] <inetpro> Kilos: what is this compose key that you are talking about?
[08:16] <Kilos> the one i use to make the degrees icon goody with temps
[08:16] <Kilos> used to have it as caps lock key
[08:16] <Kilos> they dont show options in keyboard layout anymore
[08:17] <inetpro> you have a Alt+Gr key?
[08:17] <Kilos> what is that?
[08:17] <inetpro> the right hand Alt key
[08:18] <Kilos> and what is the gr part
[08:18] <inetpro> on my keyboard it is labeled as Alt+Gr
[08:18] <inetpro> it is the compose key
[08:19] <Kilos> ive got a genius k645 keyboard
[08:19] <Kilos> dont see the gr thing
[08:20] <Kilos> ive tried what some of the bug reports say but i dont get it going
[08:21] <Kilos> hi smile howsit there
[08:21] <smile> hi :D
[08:21] <inetpro> Kilos: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AltGr_key
[08:22] <Kilos> ty inetpro i go see
[08:22] <smile> good :) feeling fine
[08:22] <smile> over there? ;)
[08:22]  * smile is still compiling gcc-gcj :(
[08:22] <Kilos> good ty
[08:24] <Kilos> i even did sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[08:24] <Kilos> to see, but my model kb not there
[08:24] <Kilos> grrr
[08:29]  * Kilos gonna change keyboards. got one that shows alt+graph
[08:32] <smile> :D
[08:33] <Symmetria> man
[08:33] <Symmetria> you gotta love vendors
[08:33] <Symmetria> Question: What is the power draw on the equipment you propose at an ambient tempreture of 25 - 30C
[08:33] <Symmetria> Answer from the vendor: what would you like it to be"
[08:33]  * Symmetria bangs his head on the table
[08:33] <Kilos> hehe
[08:33] <Symmetria> well... I'd like it to generate power so I could sell it back into the grid, but thats not gonna happen, SO HOW ABOUT A REAL ANSWER ASSHOLES
[08:34] <Kilos> hey Symmetria hows your server coming
[08:35] <Kilos> 14.04 releASE IN 3 DAYS TIME
[08:35] <Kilos> EEEK
[08:35] <Symmetria> not gonna be ready in time :(
[08:35] <Kilos> sorry
[08:35] <Kilos> are you gonna do the debdelta server there too?
[08:36] <Kilos> i gave up with fanie
[08:36] <bduk1> More almal
[08:41] <Kilos> 20°c
[08:41] <Kilos> heeee
[08:49] <Kilos> ty inetpro but his is a terrible keyboard for 2 finger 1 eye typists
[09:17] <smile> http://www.hugsmile.eu/tools/media ;)
[09:19] <Kilos> whats with the newspaper clippings smile
[09:19] <smile> it's me :D
[09:19] <Kilos> on its side as well
[09:19] <smile> ctrl arrow can help
[09:19] <smile> ;)
[09:19] <Kilos> haha
[09:20] <Kilos> cool you made the papers
[09:21] <smile> yeah :D
[09:22] <smile> one newspaper has still to publish the article, however
[09:22] <smile> and two radio stations called me :p
[09:22] <smile> once I have material, I will provide it on that page :p
[09:22] <Kilos> nice
[09:22] <Kilos> hows is the wiki fixing going
[09:29] <smile> great ;)
[09:29] <smile> https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciaal:Bijdragen/Smile4ever
[09:29] <smile> https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciaal:Bijdragen/SmileBot
[09:30] <Kilos> good lad
[09:32] <smile> thanks :)
[09:39] <Squirm> morning
[09:51] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[10:41] <superfly> inetpro: eish, you confusing the man agfain
[10:41] <superfly> *again
[10:42] <Kilos> tell him superfly
[10:42] <Kilos> hehe
[10:42] <Kilos> he does it on purpose
[10:42] <superfly> Kilos: Alt Gr is just the right-hand alt key. on very old keyboards it didn't exist, and newer ones called it "AltGr" nowadays all keyboards have two alt keys, so they don't call the other one AltGr anymore.
[10:42] <Kilos> then sits and smirks
[10:43] <Kilos> oh ty so i can bring my other keyboard back. this ones keys are too small
[10:44]  * Kilos throws a wet fish at inetpro
[10:45] <Kilos> a vrot one
[10:59] <Kilos> gotta be a vrot one otherwise he will just get fat on it
[11:05]  * inetpro catches the fish and launches it back to Kilos
[11:05] <inetpro> Kilos: where are your notes from previous installations?
[11:05] <psyatw> hi inetpro
[11:05] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[11:05] <inetpro> surely you have gone through this?
[11:05] <Kilos> all over but this doesnt apply
[11:06] <inetpro> hi psyatw
[11:06] <Kilos> the others had options button for setting keys
[11:06] <Kilos> hi psyatw
[11:06] <Kilos> i gotta go eaT
[11:06] <inetpro> ai!
[11:07] <Kilos> ai! this kb
[11:07] <Kilos> wat ai! jy nou
[11:07] <Kilos> ek sukkel darem met my volk
[11:07] <inetpro> you blame me when you should blame yourself
[11:08] <Kilos> nono
[11:08] <inetpro> Kilos: what are we even talking about, kde or normal ubuntu?
[11:08] <Kilos> unity thats why i asked fly. if the options button was there
[11:09] <Kilos> then i would have installed kubuntu-desktop
[11:09] <Kilos> hehe
[11:09] <inetpro> the fly is not using unity
[11:10] <inetpro> and what version of unity/ubuntu?
[11:13] <betabertus8899> hey guys can i install office 2013 in ubuntu yet?
[11:14] <betabertus8899> if not how do i install office 2010?
[11:19] <inetpro> betabertus8899: why would you ever want to do that when MS doesn't want you to do it?
[11:24] <betabertus8899> i need to complete work for university in ms format
[11:24] <betabertus8899> if i work in libre will the result be good?
[11:25] <betabertus8899> especially with excel and financial documents?
[11:27] <Kilos> 14.04 ubuntu inetpro
[11:28] <Kilos> hi betabertus8899
[11:28] <Kilos> hang around somwone will answer you as soon as he gets a break
[11:30] <Kilos> test existing office documents in libreoffice and you will see what it can do i think
[11:34] <inetpro> betabertus8899: it is really sad if universities in this day and age still expect work to be submitted in ms format when that is not an ISO standard
[11:34] <inetpro> obviously depending on whether it is a MS course
[11:34] <betabertus8899> hey yea bro
[11:35] <betabertus8899> no it's not
[11:35] <betabertus8899> just want to submit with all values working
[11:35] <Kilos> working on your machine or on someone else windows machine?
[11:36] <Kilos> if you have time then experiment
[11:37] <inetpro> if I absolutely have to use MS Office I normally use it on a remote machine
[11:38] <smile> sudo apt-get install libreoffice :p
[11:38] <inetpro> running windows on a VM is also an option but I never go there
[11:38] <inetpro> LO should be installed by default
[11:38] <Kilos> yip comes installed
[11:39] <inetpro> it's very rare that I need MS
[11:48] <betabertus8899> my machine
[11:49] <Kilos> well if its going to be viewed on your machine then libreoffice should be fine
[11:49] <betabertus8899> i have ms office 2013 on a dual boot ubuntu 13.10 v windows 8.1 system.
[11:50] <betabertus8899> but would like to go with ubuntu only, hence the install for ms office 2013 in ubuntu also
[11:50] <betabertus8899> i love linux now, windows is just lacking in the most basic ways!
[11:50] <Kilos> well if you have both then you can play around lekker
[11:51] <Kilos> im not an office user but mine opens all windows documents i get just fine
[11:51] <Kilos> if you would prefer to use ubuntu then do it and only go win if you fail to do something
[11:55] <betabertus8899> yep
[11:55] <betabertus8899> what do you use?
[11:56] <betabertus8899> libre?
[11:56] <betabertus8899> or open office?
[11:56] <Kilos> libre when i need to do something
[11:57] <Kilos> the easiest is to try get a document that is similar to what you want to do and open it with libreoffice and see
[11:57] <betabertus8899> ok
[11:58] <betabertus8899> does libre office docs open in word?
[11:58] <betabertus8899> ms office i mean
[11:58] <betabertus8899> like if i wrote in libre and  save, will office open that?
[11:58] <Kilos> lol i dunno about all that stuff. i just use what is installed to open things
[11:59] <betabertus8899> ok
[11:59] <Kilos> you need expert advice from someone that does lotsa office stuff
[12:00] <Kilos> maybe superfly can point you in the right direction
[12:00] <Kilos> the prob is you gotta be patient here as the guys are busy, so experiment while you wait
[12:02] <Kilos> and see what google has to say about it
[12:02] <Kilos> what type of document do you want to make?
[12:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> betabertus8899: I have not done so but you might have luck with Office running under Wine: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=17336
[12:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> also http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1885051 and http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/06/how-to-install-microsoft-office-suite-2010-in-ubuntu-12-04-using-wine-1-5/
[12:21] <betabertus8899> ok great trying this all now
[12:58] <theblazehen> hi
[12:58] <Kilos> hi theblazehen
[13:17] <Kilos> wb betabertus8899
[13:17] <Kilos> you winning?
[13:24] <betabertus8899> no
[13:24] <Kilos> aw
[13:24] <betabertus8899> playonlinux software update now
[13:24] <betabertus8899> taking very long
[13:41] <Vince-0> !
[13:41] <Vince-0> o/
[13:41] <Kilos> yhi Vince-0
[13:41] <Kilos> hi as well
[13:51] <Vince-0> are you looking forward to the 14.04 release as much as I am?
[13:51] <Vince-0> NOT
[13:51] <Vince-0> lol
[13:52] <Vince-0> we're trying a small meet this weekend to check it out but there's such little interest
[13:52] <Kilos> im already using it Vince-0
[13:52] <Kilos> william as well
[13:52] <Kilos> he has been using it for 2 months, me only 2 weeks
[13:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> i usually wait a few weeks until whatever stuff i have from PPAs is updated
[13:56] <Kilos> hehe i forget what ppas i used and just go on
[13:56] <Kilos> one day i will upgrade to anew release
[14:29] <Kilos> wb Vince-0
[14:56] <Vince-0> stupid work dsl
[14:56] <Vince-0> im out!
[15:11]  * nuvolari peeks out the window
[15:11] <nuvolari> en daar haan hulle
[15:11] <Kilos> hehe
[16:25] <Kilos> smile, awhile
[16:26] <smile> ? :D
[16:39] <Kilos> go superfly
[17:04] <betabertus8899> guys
[17:31] <Kilos> hi betabertus8899
[17:33] <Kilos> thats a massive nick you carry around
[17:34] <Kilos> Maaz, seen hibana
[17:34] <Maaz> Kilos: hibana was last seen 11 months, 20 days, 20 hours, 52 minutes and 26 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-04-28 13:41:46 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2013-04-28 14:00:14 PDT
[18:06] <Kilos> shame the kid is battling
[18:23] <Kilos> uh oh
[18:23] <Kilos> Maaz, tell inetpro Fix it
[18:23] <Maaz> Kilos: Got it, I'll tell inetpro on freenode
[18:30] <Kilos> inetpro, wb
[18:40] <Kilos> hi Mzolisto howsit
[18:43] <betabertus8899> hello all
[18:43] <Kilos> wb betabertus8899
[18:43] <Kilos> did you succeed
[18:45] <betabertus8899> no i did not
[18:46] <Kilos> are you proficient with ms office or learning to use office?
[18:46] <betabertus8899> now i have another problem, thunderbird keeps having two copies in sent mail
[18:46] <Kilos> i been looking what i can find
[18:47] <Kilos> oh my
[18:47] <betabertus8899> downloading another version of ms2010 to try now
[18:47] <Kilos> i dumped thunderbird and use evolution on pop
[18:47] <Kilos> http://lifehacker.com/battle-of-the-office-suites-microsoft-office-and-libre-1147940828
[18:47] <betabertus8899> yea it does not actually send two mails, just shows two in the sent folder
[18:47] <Kilos> see what this guy says about the 2
[18:48] <betabertus8899> bad day on linux
[18:48] <Kilos> what release are you on again?
[18:48] <betabertus8899> and updated my nvidia GT740m 2GB graphics card, but system crashed...
[18:49] <betabertus8899> so yea
[18:49] <betabertus8899> running 13.10 now
[18:49] <Kilos> do you do serious graphics
[18:49] <betabertus8899> have reinstalled thunderbird
[18:49] <Kilos> i use nvidia-current
[18:50] <Kilos> is your system up to date?
[18:50] <betabertus8899> i have dual gpu thats why it crashed, accourding to the net
[18:50] <betabertus8899> yes
[18:50] <Kilos> ok then why is everything giving probs
[18:50] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:50] <betabertus8899> haha don't know bro
[18:50] <Kilos> do you use aptitude?
[18:51] <betabertus8899> you mean with software updater yea?
[18:51] <Kilos> with command line
[18:51] <Kilos> instead of apt-get
[18:52] <Kilos> i like aptitude it sorts other probs out for you
[18:52] <betabertus8899> whats the command plz
[18:52] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install aptitude
[18:53] <Kilos> then try sudo aptitude reinstall thunderbird
[18:53] <betabertus8899> ok cool bro
[18:53] <Kilos> and it will tell you if there is stuff to remove
[18:53] <betabertus8899> clearly your pro compared to me
[18:53] <Kilos> im too old to be a bro
[18:53] <Kilos> hehe
[18:54] <betabertus8899> this is my second day on linux so yea
[18:54] <Kilos> na im no pro i get help here regularly
[18:54] <betabertus8899> cool
[18:54] <Kilos> oh you still new
[18:55] <betabertus8899> yea
[18:55] <betabertus8899> noob
[18:55] <Kilos> have you done those commands?
[18:55] <betabertus8899> almost done
[18:55] <Kilos> we all start as noobs and some never get past it like me
[18:56] <Kilos> the guys hide here when they see me sukkeling
[18:56] <betabertus8899> ok have ran it
[18:56] <betabertus8899> lets test
[18:56] <Kilos> ok lets just see something
[18:56] <Kilos> wait
[18:56] <Kilos> sudo apt-get update
[18:58] <Kilos> when aptitude is installing or reinstalling apps watch what it shows
[18:58] <betabertus8899> done
[18:59] <betabertus8899> looks like all works
[18:59] <betabertus8899> with the commands you gave
[18:59] <Kilos> ok sudo aptitude upgrade
[19:00] <betabertus8899> yes done
[19:00] <Kilos> did it want to fetch anything?
[19:03] <Kilos> are you here using your browser or an irc client
[19:05] <betabertus8899> xchat
[19:05] <betabertus8899> irc client
[19:05] <Kilos> ok
[19:06] <betabertus8899> this the best way?
[19:06] <Kilos> yes i use xchat too but on 14.04 it didnt have sound so im on hexchat
[19:07] <Kilos> if your system does funny things after working fine run this command
[19:07] <Kilos> sudo touch /forcefsck
[19:08] <Kilos> and when you reboot it will do a file system check
[19:20] <betabertus8899> nothing happens
[19:20] <Kilos> with what?
[19:20] <Kilos> inetpro, fix it
[19:22] <Trixar_za> force fsck
[19:22] <Trixar_za> oh dear
[19:23] <Kilos> too rough Trixar_za
[19:23] <Kilos> i use it all the time
[19:23] <Kilos> but i have disabled boot splash so i see it doing things
[19:26] <Kilos> especially after power cuts, then it fixes lots of orpan inodes
[19:28] <Kilos> Trixar_za, talk to me
[19:29] <Trixar_za> Yes? Oo
[19:30] <Kilos> you said force fsck not lekker?
[19:32] <betabertus8899> no nothing happend
[19:33] <Kilos> maybe it did it in hiding
[19:33] <Kilos> hehe
[19:33] <Kilos> you dont see text when booting hey?
[19:33] <betabertus8899> the trixar command plz
[19:34] <Kilos> he was just commenting on the force fsck
[19:34] <betabertus8899> ok
[19:34] <Kilos> some guys dont like it
[19:35] <Kilos> anyway is your thunderbird still sick?
[19:35] <betabertus8899> anyway the thunderbird double sent still there just sent a test mail
[19:35] <Kilos> eish
[19:36] <betabertus8899> yea what other mail client is good for linux?
[19:36] <Kilos> i use evolution but others say its old fashioned
[19:36] <Kilos> if you want to try it the command is
[19:37] <Kilos> sudo aptitude install evolution
[19:37] <Kilos> i use it with pop so it only fetches new mails
[19:37] <betabertus8899> ok
[19:38] <betabertus8899> i tried it but very laggy
[19:38] <betabertus8899> i want like very light
[19:38] <Kilos> peeps say its a bit heavy
[19:38] <betabertus8899> geary looks good, but no signature
[19:38] <Kilos> but works ok for me and has the option of making its own backup so you dont lose contacts etc
[19:39] <betabertus8899> and i use this for buisness
[19:39] <betabertus8899> ok cool
[19:39] <Kilos> most peeps use thunderbird nowadays but i didnt like it
[19:41] <Kilos> not_found, hi there why you okes not helping me here
[19:42] <Kilos> i lead new peeps astray
[19:42] <Kilos> teach them old fashioned blou draad en tang ways
[19:44] <Kilos> betabertus8899, if you wait 3 days you cab get the new ubuntu
[19:44] <Kilos> 14.04 releases on the 17th
[19:44] <Kilos> and its a long term support os
[19:45] <Kilos> s/cab/can
[20:04] <betabertus8899> yeah 14.04 will hopefully be super awesome
[20:04] <betabertus8899> would be wise just to wait a month before jumping... all the bugs will be gone
[20:04] <Kilos> i didnt like 13.10 so stayed on 12.04 then got 14.04 2 weeks ago
[20:04] <Kilos> very lekker
[20:05] <betabertus8899> how is the beta?
[20:05] <betabertus8899> good?
[20:05] <Kilos> its very stable already
[20:05] <betabertus8899> ok
[20:05] <Kilos> i prefer it to 12.04
[20:06] <betabertus8899> do you use any firewall or anti-virus?
[20:06] <Kilos> kinda same but smoother
[20:06] <Kilos> gufw
[20:06] <Kilos> sudo aptitude install gufw
[20:06] <Kilos> no antivirus
[20:07] <Kilos> you can install the antivirus for checking emails so you dont pass virii to the next windows user
[20:08] <Kilos> do you have synaptic installed?
[20:08] <Kilos> synaptic is a package manager where you can see everything thats installed and what is available
[20:09] <Kilos> the antivirus is called clamtk
[20:09] <Kilos> but we dont need it
[20:09] <betabertus8899> clamtk
[20:09] <betabertus8899> ?
[20:11] <Kilos> yes clamtk is our antivirus
[20:11] <Kilos> clamav is without the gui
[20:11] <Kilos> but its for checking mails mainly
[20:12] <Kilos> windows virii dont affect us
[20:18] <betabertus8899> ok
[20:18] <betabertus8899> what else should i install?
[20:18] <Kilos> um
[20:19] <not_found> sorry uncle Kilos was in bed since 8 (6 sa time) only up now cause blood sugar dropped and having some food
[20:19] <Kilos> you chat on msn and so?
[20:19] <Kilos> sorry not_found
[20:19] <betabertus8899> yes pidgeon
[20:19] <Kilos> thought you were at work
[20:19] <Kilos> cool i love pidgin
[20:19] <not_found> np yell when you need help and if we are here we try
[20:20] <Kilos> ty not_found take it easy and get well quick
[20:20] <Kilos> what else do you do betabertus8899 ?
[20:21] <Kilos> in synaptic you will see a little window at the top where you can type in what you are looking for and it shows hat is available
[20:22] <not_found> lol, I am ok, just need to eat then I am off to bed :)
[20:22] <Kilos> what
[20:22] <Kilos> ok sleep tight ty not_found
[20:22] <not_found> night :)
[20:23] <betabertus8899> whats your job kilos?
[20:23] <betabertus8899> cd && wget -O .laptop-mode.sh http://goo.gl/AH0tvj
[20:23] <betabertus8899> chmod +x .laptop-mode.sh && ./.laptop-mode.sh
[20:24] <Kilos> lol im a ballie that dont work
[20:24] <betabertus8899> amazing app to save power, battery usage increase massive
[20:24] <betabertus8899> mine has increased like 40% today
[20:25] <Kilos> wow
[20:25] <betabertus8899> very useful for work espesially
[20:25] <Kilos> yeah would be
[20:25] <betabertus8899> almost like haswell
[20:25] <Kilos> i only have desktop pcs
[20:25] <betabertus8899> http://www.noobslab.com/2013/10/enable-laptop-mode-and-other-tweaks-to.html
[20:25] <betabertus8899> check it out
[20:26] <Kilos> tomorrow
[20:26] <betabertus8899> ok
[20:26] <Kilos> ubuntu is very lekker
[20:26] <betabertus8899> yep amazing
[20:26] <Kilos> anyway you can ask for help here just about anytime
[20:26] <betabertus8899> just miss my e-mail outlook that's always working awesome
[20:27] <Kilos> there is normally someone around
[20:27] <Kilos> no man
[20:27] <betabertus8899> will just try to install tomorrow
[20:27] <Kilos> evo is much better than outlook
[20:27] <betabertus8899> yea, but so slow and laggy.
[20:28] <betabertus8899> maybe will give it another try
[20:28] <Kilos> what lappy specs?
[20:28] <betabertus8899> i7
[20:28] <betabertus8899> 8gb ram
[20:28] <betabertus8899> high specs
[20:28] <Kilos> do you know about the extra workspaces?
[20:28] <Kilos> wow and you say evo is laggy
[20:29] <Kilos> i dont remember 13.10. does it show the workspace switcher
[20:30] <betabertus8899> yea
[20:31] <Kilos> i just open my evo on its own workspace and leave it there
[20:31] <betabertus8899> it just keeps loading when i select other folders
[20:31] <betabertus8899> like it does not stop to update
[20:31] <Kilos> no then something is wrong
[20:31] <Kilos> did you install it today?
[20:32] <Kilos> sudo aptitude reinstall evolution
[20:32] <Kilos> should lag at all on the pc
[20:32] <Kilos> shouldnt
[20:33] <Kilos> im on a dual core with 4g ram
[20:33] <betabertus8899> keeps like refreshing
[20:33] <Kilos> shouldnt
[20:34] <Kilos> you also gotta set it for when it must fetch mails
[20:34] <betabertus8899> ok
[20:34] <Kilos> in edit preferences
[20:34] <betabertus8899> should i set it to load like offline
[20:35] <Kilos> lots of stuff you can set to suit your likes
[20:35] <Kilos> it should just open
[20:35] <Kilos> lemme restart mine and time it
[20:36] <Kilos> 5 secs and its open
[20:40] <Kilos> havent you got it open twice
[20:40] <betabertus8899> keeps saying generating message list
[20:41] <betabertus8899> man this is soo slow
[20:42] <Kilos> something is wrong
[20:42] <Kilos> you havent even got it open yet?
[20:43] <Kilos> mine opens in 5 mins and then fetches new mails
[20:43] <Kilos> 5 secs sorry
[20:43] <Kilos> try closing thunderbird
[20:45] <Kilos> can we go on tomorrow betabertus8899 ? im  falling off the chair here
[20:48] <betabertus8899> yea cheers
[20:48] <betabertus8899> im also off
[20:48] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[06:46] <fabbione> BenC: please pull from me again when you can. I have an endianess fix for gfs
[02:08] <jbailey> BenC: ping?
[02:08] <BenC> jbailey: pong
[02:08] <BenC> fabbione: will do
[02:09] <fabbione> hey Ben
[02:09] <jbailey> BenC: Since -15.20, I seem to be getting much more frequent kernel crashes on ppc64-smp.
[02:09] <jbailey> (on an actual smp system)
[02:09] <jbailey> The last two mornings I've come back to the machine powered off, and it powered itself off mid evening yesterday.
[02:09] <BenC> odd, nothing really changed that should affect that
[02:10] <jbailey> I think this is diferent than the X crashes that I Was seeing, where I could often just ssh in and kill X and start again.
[02:10] <fabbione> hmmm
[02:10] <jbailey> Although I'd occasionally get crashes before that would lock the machine solid.
[02:10] <fabbione> i wonder if it is a heating problem
[02:10] <fabbione> i recall benh fixing something in that direction
[02:10] <BenC> that's one possibility, there was a recent therm change
[02:10] <jbailey> I would've expected something in the logs in that case.
[02:10] <fabbione> with the exact same kind of description
[02:11] <fabbione> jbailey: it depends..
[02:11] <fabbione> what kind of thermal module are you using?
[02:11] <jbailey> therm_pm72
[02:11] <BenC> jbailey: if hw shutsdown without telling linux, it wouldn't
[02:11] <fabbione> it might need something like verbose=1 to print more
[02:11] <jbailey> BenC: Oh right, not an event saying "please shutdown, I'm too hot"
[02:11] <BenC> right
[02:12] <BenC> hw could just say, "oh fuck the OS, we're taking drastic measures"
[02:12] <jbailey> Unfortunately, I don't have a serial port on this, so I'm not sure what I can do.
[02:12] <jbailey> I should get around to implementing the kdump stuff at some point.
[02:12] <fabbione> jbailey: what about looking at the module parameters?
[02:13] <jbailey> fabbione: I haven't tweaked anything that I know of.  What do you suggest?
[02:13] <BenC> yeah, enable verbose and see if there's some hint at this theory being correct
[02:13] <BenC> rmmod therm_pm75
[02:13] <BenC> modprobe therm_pm72 verbose=1
[02:13] <fabbione> start removing your porn anime desktop and put a gay pic of Ben.. it might get less hot in that case
[02:14] <jbailey> root@starshine:~# modprobe therm_pm72 verbose=1
[02:14] <jbailey> FATAL: Error inserting therm_pm72 (/lib/modules/2.6.15-15-powerpc64-smp/kernel/drivers/macintosh/therm_pm72.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[02:14] <BenC> odd, that's one of my canned bug report suggestions, I'll send you the link :)
[02:14] <jbailey> Yup, just doesn't know verbose.
[02:15] <jbailey> fabbione: I could do up a picture of Ben and some tenticle pr0n.  'cause you know tenticle pr0n is *always* hot.
[02:15] <BenC> fabbione switched to the goats.cx website for his desktop and that worked
[02:15] <fabbione> ahha
[02:15] <BenC> but his icons keep going missing
[02:16] <fabbione> jbailey: read the comments at the top of therm_pm72.c
[02:16] <fabbione> ahhahahaha
[02:16] <jbailey> Hmm, I hadn't seen that suggestion before when searching, but I was mostly seaching for "ppc"
[02:16] <jbailey> BenC: Swallowed up? =)
[02:16] <BenC> hehe, into anal obscurity
[02:16] <fabbione>  *        - Add things like /sbin/overtemp for non-critical
[02:16] <fabbione>  *          overtemp conditions so userland can take some policy
[02:16] <fabbione>  *          decisions, like slewing down CPUs
[02:16] <fabbione> (from the TODO)
[02:17] <jbailey> fabbione: While you're in there, can you look up what the verbose parameter is, please?
[02:18] <fabbione> there are no module parameters at all
[02:19] <fabbione>                 if (rc > 0) {
[02:19] <fabbione>                         state->adc_config = buf[0] ;
[02:19] <fabbione>                         DBG("ADC config reg: %02x\n", state->adc_config);
[02:19] <fabbione>                         /* Disable shutdown mode */
[02:19] <fabbione>                         state->adc_config &= 0xfe;
[02:19] <fabbione> HMMMMMMM
[02:19] <fabbione> jbailey: the best would be to compile it with -DDEBUG
[02:20] <jbailey> Bah, the ongoing X problems don't help.  *cRy*
[02:21] <fabbione> jbailey: compile just that module with debug
[02:21] <fabbione> that will add some more verbose output
[02:22] <fabbione> it's a try
[02:22] <jbailey> 'kay.  I'll fire that up over lunch.
[02:22] <jbailey> In the meantime, I'm going to keep it from loading radeon.ko and see if that helps the X problems at all.
[04:26] <jbailey> Wow, I've made it to 2h of uptime.
[04:26] <jbailey> Maybe it's truly just the DRI stuff with X that's killing it.
[04:32] <BenC> must be something specific to ppc64 or your chipset, because I'm using radeon on my pb without problems
[04:34] <jbailey> Right, but you said you weren't actually using it much.
[04:34] <jbailey> Although in the last day or so it's been failing after I've stopped using it - but I've been logged in each time.
[04:34] <jbailey> So it could've been screensavers or whatnot.
[04:35] <BenC> on my pb I use it all day long
[04:35] <jbailey> Hmm
[04:35] <jbailey> I'd have to ask benh, I guess.
[04:36] <jbailey> Hmm, I'm going to try removing the XAA hack that Fabio had me do before and see if it's the same or worse.
[04:42] <jbailey> Nope, still need the         Option          "XaaNoOffscreenPixmaps"
[04:48] <fabbione> Log for failed build of linux-source-2.6.15_2.6.15-15.21 (dist=dapper)
[04:48] <fabbione> Missing /build/sparcbuildd/linux-source-2.6.15-2.6.15/debian/abi/2.6.15-15.20/sparc/sparc64 file.
[04:48] <fabbione> BenC: is it known?
[04:49] <BenC> yeah, I never got a 2.6.15-15.20 build for sparc (nor a 14.19 for that matter)
[04:49] <fabbione> oh right
[04:49] <fabbione> they  are built
[04:49] <fabbione> we can't upload them
[04:49] <fabbione> i keep building even if we can't upload, to catch FTBFS
[04:50] <fabbione> the buildds will catch up pretty fast
[04:50] <fabbione> BenC: echo 1 > debian/abi/ignore.sparc or sparc.ignore should do
[04:50] <fabbione> that will allow you to "rebootstrap" the abi files later on
[04:52] <BenC> ah, ok
[04:52] <fabbione> basically it will disable the abi checker on the specific arch
[04:52] <BenC> I already know it builds, but I deleted the build, so didn't have the file
[04:52] <fabbione> no problem
[05:07] <makx> fabbione: could you please bounce me your new megaraid patch?
[06:08] <BenC> makx: all his patch does is let some cards get detected
[06:08] <BenC> it doesn't fix any sort of bugs
[06:23] <makx> BenC: that sounds not so bad, as we carry the same old version ;)
[06:51] <BenC> it was a bug we introduced though, so unless you copied our changes, it wont really affect you
[06:52] <BenC> the source is on archive.ubuntu.com though
[06:55] <jbailey> BenC: Machine died over my lunch break.   I'll use that to explain to my wife why I never get up from this thing.
[07:36] <mxpxpod> there ya go
[07:36] <mxpxpod> seems valid to me
[07:46] <BenC> it's odd, my G5 is 1.5ghz/1GB-ram, and my laptop with 1.6ghz/512MB-ram seems a lot quicker
[07:46] <BenC> sound on the G5 is a little choppy too
[08:39] <chuck> heylo
[08:41] <zul> BenC: i was thinking of adding the qemu kernel module this weekend if there is a mol module
[08:42] <BenC> as long as the code is free and doesn't require any non-free stuff to load the module
[08:42] <zul> ok..
[08:45] <zul> blah...we arent allowed to redristbute it
[10:44] <zul> later


[04:23] <elopio> hello.
[04:24] <elopio> anyone around to help me with a simple debian bug?
[04:25] <elopio> tumbleweed: ping.
[07:00] <dholbach> good morning
[07:07] <Rhonda> elopio: If you would describe your issue I could have answered now - instead I have to ask: what problem do you have? :)
[13:37] <FlowRiser> Hey all :)
[13:37] <FlowRiser> How can I test a greeter using lightdm ?
[13:44] <exodus> Hello FlowRiser, here are two links about the subject:
[13:44] <exodus> http://www.mattfischer.com/blog/?p=5
[13:44] <FlowRiser> exodus, thanks :D
[13:45] <exodus> FlowRiser, you want to edit the lightdm.conf
[13:45] <FlowRiser> oh, i see; then put the name of my preferred greeter
[13:45] <FlowRiser> thanks :)
[13:46] <exodus> FlowRiser, exactly, the blog post shows you how, but if you're not up for the read, check /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[14:47] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek last day starting in 13 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[14:53] <elopio> Rhonda: I know :) But I don't want an answer, I would like somebody to help me for around ten minutes sending my first patch to debian.
[14:53] <elopio> anyone interested in giving me a hand?
[14:54] <tumbleweed> there are people here who will help you
[14:55] <tumbleweed> !ask | elopio
[14:55] <tumbleweed> where are you stuck?
[14:56] <tumbleweed> I know it seems rude to just ask, but it really works best when you aren't relying on  one person to help you, but rather everyone who is around
[14:58] <elopio> tumbleweed: I attended your class and dholbach's. Now I want to fix this:
[14:58] <elopio> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=682011
[14:58] <elopio> tumbleweed: I did quilt edit and refresh as you mentioned, with the fix.
[14:58] <elopio> I tried to debuild, and it failed. And I don't know what to do next. Let me get you the error.
[14:58] <tumbleweed> elopio: ok, quilt isn't relevant here, because it's a change to the debian packaging
[14:58] <tumbleweed> I actually don't think there's anything that needs to be done
[14:58] <tumbleweed> that bug report contains a good "verbal patch"
[14:58] <elopio> tumbleweed: hum, I know. But I filed it like a month ago, and hasn't been fixed.
[14:58] <tumbleweed> debian is currently in feature freeze, so minor things like that are not likely to get much attention until wheezy releases
[14:58] <tumbleweed> even if it wasn't in the freeze, that's just something one would normally roll into the next upload. Not something that would be fixed on its own
[14:58] <elopio> tumbleweed: and I wanted to use it to learn how to send the patch to debian. I still don't understand the workflow.
[14:59] <tumbleweed> ok, if you want to generate a patch: modify the source, add a changelog entry, debuild -S, and debdiff
[15:00] <elopio> tumbleweed: and then send it by mail? Is there no way for me to propose a merge like in launchpad?
[15:01] <tumbleweed> elopio: you send it by email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:02] <tumbleweed> if you look at the PTS page for sikuli, you'll see that teh packaging is in git
[15:02] <tumbleweed> but really, for almost everything, just e-mailing a patch or two is the easiest
[15:03] <elopio> ok, I get it. And this is really easy, the patch that way makes no sense. I better look for a different one.
[15:04] <elopio> tumbleweed: ok, a question. When I did pull-lp-source sikuli-ide I got 4 things.
[15:04] <elopio> a folder, a .tar.gz, a .dsc and a .build.
[15:04] <elopio> can you explain to me what are they?
[15:05] <elopio> oh, and an .orig.tar.gz
[15:05] <tumbleweed> elopio: http://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging covers a lot of this
[15:06] <elopio> all right, thanks.
[15:09] <elopio> other question. Should I use pbuilder to create a sid chroot, right?
[15:09] <tumbleweed> or sbuild. personally, I use sbuild
[15:22] <elopio> good. Thanks. I'll be playing around and come back with more questions :)
[15:48] <TheLordOfTime> anyone knokw where i can find the SRU queue, for items pending review for an SRU?  or should i just poke someone on the SRU team and ask?
[15:48] <micahg> TheLordOfTime: in proposed or not accepted yet?
[15:49] <tumbleweed> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+queue?queue_state=1 are the things uploaded to precise and not accepted by SRU team yet
[15:49] <TheLordOfTime> micahg:  in proposed, last i heard, according to the sponsor for that package (its in Main, but...)
[15:49] <TheLordOfTime> (was awaiting SRU team approval last i checked, which was 3 days ago)
[15:50] <tumbleweed> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html once they are accepted
[15:50]  * micahg is confused, but now you have both links :)
[15:51] <TheLordOfTime> micahg:  i don't have upload rights.  The sponsor who I worked with uploaded the changed package to precise-proposed, and i was curious whether the SRU team had accepted it yet or not :P
[15:51] <TheLordOfTime> if its still in proposed, its not accepted :P
[15:52] <tumbleweed> TheLordOfTime: no
[15:52] <tumbleweed> TheLordOfTime: uplaods to precise-proposed have to be accepted by the SRU team
[15:52] <TheLordOfTime> tumbleweed:  really?
[15:52] <tumbleweed> before they are published in precise-proposed
[15:52] <tumbleweed> then they have to age for a week and be verified, before being copied to -updates
[15:53] <TheLordOfTime> ah, wait its in the upload queue
[15:53]  * TheLordOfTime misread
[15:54] <TheLordOfTime> tbh, i'd be stabbing the SRU team left and right if it weren't for the PPA i published the fix for the package to... the package has a regression that popped up between oneiric and precise, which prevents php5 from reporting errors back to the webserver (at least in nginx), and fixes an (obscure, but possible to encounter) issue of a segfault.
[15:54] <TheLordOfTime> i just needed the links, though, thanks.
[15:55] <tumbleweed> they've just had a point release, we can give them some slack :)
[15:55] <TheLordOfTime> tumbleweed:  *shrugs* a medium priority and a high priority bug sometimes pique my interest.  especially when they affect my production environments :P
[17:41]  * Laney slides a glance towards iulian
[17:42]  * Laney wonders if he might have a few spare minutes to upload some cheeky rebuilds tonight
[17:42]  * Laney will be out
[17:42] <Laney> starting now. ttyl!
[17:45] <highvoltage> byelaney
[19:05] <iulian> Laney: Certainly.
[21:46] <TheLordOfTime> anyone able to help me in figuring out why debuild -S is ignoring the orig.tar.gz in a given package build?
[21:52] <TheLordOfTime> hello?
[21:57] <Bachstelze> TheLordOfTime: most probably the filename doesn't match the package name
[21:58] <TheLordOfTime> Bachstelze:  unlikely, the .orig.tar.gz was built with dh_make --createorig
[21:58] <TheLordOfTime> it literally shows right there
[21:58] <TheLordOfTime> 4.0K drwxrwxr-x 4 teward teward 4.0K Aug 30 17:56 formatjunkie-1.04/
[21:58] <TheLordOfTime> 148K -rw-rw-r-- 1 teward teward 145K Aug 30 17:56 formatjunkie_1.04.orig.tar.gz
[21:58] <TheLordOfTime> :/
[22:00] <TheLordOfTime> Bachstelze:  this is the debuild -S output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1176749/
[22:01] <Bachstelze> uh, what exactly do you mean by "ignoring"?
[22:01] <TheLordOfTime> oh wait hang on
[22:01]  * TheLordOfTime tests something
[22:02] <TheLordOfTime> ah, figured out why
[22:02] <TheLordOfTime> somehow, it generated a changelog that had other data in it o.O
[22:03] <TheLordOfTime> Bachstelze:  by "ignore" i meant that it was omitting the .orig.tar.gz file as part of the source package
[22:03] <TheLordOfTime> so LP PPAs would autoreject
[22:03] <Bachstelze> that's normal, you have to use debuild -S -sa
[22:04] <Bachstelze> to include the source in the upload
[22:04] <TheLordOfTime> i think i already had that defined...
[22:04] <TheLordOfTime> ... somewhere *checks*
[22:04] <Bachstelze> your debuild output says you don't
[22:04] <TheLordOfTime> *shrugs*
[22:05] <TheLordOfTime> i just rebuilt it and it built now *shrugs*
[22:05] <Bachstelze> the default is to not include it because normally the source is already up
[22:05] <TheLordOfTime> is there a way i can perpetually tell it to always include the source tarball?
[22:05] <Bachstelze> no
[22:05] <TheLordOfTime> Bachstelze:  even if that's the case, PPAs want that anyways, so...
[22:05] <Bachstelze> er
[22:05] <Bachstelze> probably but it would be a bad idea <= better phrasing
[22:06] <TheLordOfTime> there's no harm, though, if in ~/.devscripts i have DEBUILD_DPKG_BUILDPACKAGE_OPTS=-kKEYID
[22:06] <TheLordOfTime> right?
[22:07]  * TheLordOfTime has about 7 different GPG keys on this system
[22:07] <TheLordOfTime> (not all are for Ubuntu :P)
[22:07] <Bachstelze> ase don the same source tarball)
[22:08] <Bachstelze> ugh
[22:08] <Bachstelze> TheLordOfTime: that's fine, you can even put -sa ther eif you want, but you will get a package rejected if you want to upload a new version of the same package (ie. based on the same source tarball)
[22:08] <Bachstelze> the server will not let you upload the same source tarball twice (hence why it' snot uploaded by default, you only do it once)
[22:10] <TheLordOfTime> Bachstelze:  then why was it not recognizing this as a new package i wonder...
[22:10] <TheLordOfTime> *shrugs*
[22:12] <Bachstelze> TheLordOfTime: how would it do that? it would have to probe the archive to see if the tarball is already up there, that would be unconvenient
[22:12] <Bachstelze> for example then you can't build packages while offline
[22:12] <TheLordOfTime> this convo's going nowhere...
[22:12]  * TheLordOfTime returns to checking whether the upload was accepted
[22:13] <TheLordOfTime> Bachstelze:  i think my system was just having a hissy fit
[22:13] <TheLordOfTime> it started doing that a bit after a small power surge about an hour ago


[11:45] <rodrigo_> cool, have a panel again :-)
[14:18] <kklimonda> happy halloween!
[14:21] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[14:24] <nisshh> wait, what?
[14:24] <nisshh> kklimonda, do you have your calendar upside down? :)
[19:05] <cyphermox> smspillaz, ping?
[22:50] <bcurtiswx> cassidy, I'm still getting webkit issues on empathy build, but empathy only requires 1.3.2, and we have 1.3.6 .  what version are you building with ?