[03:57] <mylogic> good evening
[13:40] <AnAnt> Hello, is there some sort of gconf setting to change the default session to Classic instead of Unity ?
[16:15] <cyphermox> bcurtiswx, ping?
[16:16] <bcurtiswx> cyphermox, pong
[16:17] <cyphermox> bcurtiswx, still doing global jam today?
[16:17] <bcurtiswx> i will in a little while.  Gotta do my normal Sunday stuff (grocery shopping, shower)
[16:17] <bcurtiswx> it's 11:15AM here
[16:21] <cyphermox> bcurtiswx, yes, same here. I just got to our location
[16:22] <bcurtiswx> cyphermox, great.  I'll let ya know when I'm back.  ttyl
[16:22] <cyphermox> ok


[05:31] <demonboy> hi guys is this place chill w/ asking for help or will yal flame?
[05:38] <demonboy> well i know yal may be afk so heres my issue i am on 10.04 LTS and my graphics card is not letting me use the nvidia driver for some reason and its telling me to enter a command and restart the xserver so i enter the command and log out and the screen just stays black
[05:39] <demonboy> i also updated my kernal so it would support my life camś mic (didnt work btw) if tht means anything
[09:24] <graciasfidel> hello everybody
[10:55] <demonboy> hi
[10:56] <demonboy> is there any1 here that can help with a problem im having w/ not being a "sudoer" after a clean install
[12:27] <eein_> morning
[12:28] <eein_> not many folks here but i was hoping to get some input on whether anyone here uses a m-audio 1010lt with ubuntu?
[13:35] <Guest63107> hi
[13:48] <holstein> eein_: yes
[13:49] <holstein> its plug and play AFAIK
[13:49] <holstein> couple folks in #opensourcemusicians use that card with ubuntu and others
[13:51] <holstein> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Vendor-MAudio is what i reference
[13:57] <eein_> holstein, my issue is that i'm using mint currently which isnt really a necessity but should be similar to ubuntu and the card shows but instead of 10 inputs 10 outputs its a 1 and 1
[13:58] <holstein> you use JACK with it, and it should just work
[13:58] <holstein> you can try ubuntustudio 12.04 live
[13:58] <holstein> you can ask in that channel i linked
[13:58] <holstein> you can try differnt kernels
[13:58] <eein_> hmm i think the default is pulse no?
[13:58] <holstein> eein_: depends on what you want to do
[13:59] <holstein> if you just want to surf the web and hear youtube videos, then you will not utilize anything that card will provide
[13:59] <holstein> if you want to route to several differnt outputs, you could do that with pavucontrol and pulse
[14:01] <holstein> if you want to route different recording sources, or signals out for mixing or any more commercial/professional applications... JACK is the tool
[14:01] <holstein> the folks i mentioned above that use that card use JACK with it
[14:02] <holstein> eein_: if you see them all in alsamixer, then you are god
[14:02] <holstein> good*
[14:02] <holstein> you can run aplay -l and check too
[14:02] <holstein> its likely you just arent using multichannel applications
[14:03] <holstein> pavucontrol should allow you to route similarly to how JACK would using pulse
[14:03] <holstein> you can search for it in the package manager of your choice
[14:06] <eein_> holstein, imagebin.org/206144
[14:06] <eein_> thats a screenshot to better explain
[14:07] <holstein> i would just use JACK
[14:07] <eein_> pulseaudio control does the same thin
[14:08] <eein_> thing
[14:08] <holstein> sure.. pipeman reference a bug
[14:08] <holstein> i know he has that device
[14:08] <holstein> i would just buddy up with him and ask how he utilizes all the channels
[14:08] <eein_> just shows one input one output.  i will try jack but just thought it odd
[14:08] <holstein> yup
[14:08] <holstein> eein_: i would ask pipemanmusic
[14:09] <holstein> in #opensourcemusicians
[14:14] <bluebird> i want to set xp as my default in the boot menu.im using burg now.i tried setting it but its not working or saved
[14:14] <holstein> !grub | bluebird
[14:15] <holstein> ^ i would check there... maybe go to just grub for a bit and sort it out... or look around about editing the default in burg.. should be similar
[14:16] <bluebird> i went through some forum help and the default is already set to 4 , which is xp
[14:16] <holstein> bluebird: sure... and you can reorder that
[14:16] <holstein> OR, just change the default.. both of which are explained above
[14:17] <holstein> i do it quite often... i unhide grub and maybe boot one of the different kernels
[14:17] <holstein> its a matter of editing the line that says DEFAULT
[14:18] <bluebird> yes
[14:18] <bluebird> but its already edited
[14:18] <bluebird> and i think its something about saving
[14:19] <holstein> sudo nano /etc/default/grub or gksudo gedit...
[14:19] <holstein> change the GRUB_DEFAULT=0
[14:19] <holstein> or, confirm its been changed.. then run
[14:20] <holstein> sudo update-grub
[14:20] <holstein> if thats not working, i would reference the burg documentation
[14:21] <bluebird> okay
[14:22] <bluebird> but im using burg and do i have to edit grub?
[14:22] <holstein> bluebird: i would think so
[14:23] <holstein> i have not used burg...
[14:23] <bluebird> okay
[14:23] <holstein> i assume its just a graphical front end, and uses the same config file
[14:23] <bluebird> how do i edit it?
[14:23] <holstein> bluebird: ?
[14:23] <holstein> sudo nano /etc/default/grub or gksudo gedit...
[14:24] <holstein> bluebird: actually
[14:24] <holstein> im reading this now
[14:24] <bluebird> sorry, didnt i told you im only two day old?
[14:24] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1551634
[14:24] <holstein> /etc/default/burg not in /boot/burg/burg.cfg.
[14:24] <holstein> bluebird: i would just stick to the defaults then
[14:24] <holstein> maybe just remove burg
[14:25] <bluebird> but it looks better
[14:25] <holstein> bluebird: sure.. then, you *can* figure this out
[14:25] <bluebird> i went through that forum help before
[14:26] <holstein> however, ubuntustudio nor ubuntu ship with it by default, so you are going to "get what you can get" as far as support
[14:26] <holstein> and i have only troubleshooted it enough to know i dont want/need it
[14:26] <holstein> however, im sure you can make it function as desired
[14:26] <bluebird> okay
[14:26] <holstein> try sudo nano /etc/default/burg
[14:27] <bluebird> can you look at the last comment on that forum topic
[14:27] <bluebird> i tried to do it
[14:27] <bluebird> but didnt understood "Some people miss this out, uncomment "GRUB_SAVEDEFAULT=true"."
[14:28] <holstein> i see the boot screen about every 3 months or so
[14:28] <holstein> and for a few seconds
[14:28] <holstein> i would get rid of burg if its not working as it should
[14:29] <holstein> if you want to troubleshoot it, open pastebin and give me the text from that file
[14:29] <bluebird> i will but i think i should try to fix it
[14:29] <holstein>  /etc/default/burg
[14:29] <holstein> and make sure you run sudo update-burg after editing
[14:29] <bluebird> in that file default is 4
[14:29] <holstein> bluebird: OK... is 4 what you need?
[14:29] <holstein> do you know its 4?
[14:30] <holstein> 0 is the firt one
[14:30] <holstein> SO, the next kernel (assuming you have a few) is likely 3
[14:30] <bluebird> and i didnt had to edit it.it was already 4 when i opened.yes 4 is xp
[14:30] <holstein> i would expect to see xp at 3 or 5
[14:30] <holstein> bluebird: you'll need to link some things for me to see that
[14:31] <bluebird> okay
[14:31] <holstein> you can also try #ubuntu if you prefer
[14:31] <holstein> this is not really an ubuntustudio issue, and you might get more help there faster
[14:31] <bluebird> okay
[14:32] <bluebird> which file should i show?
[14:33] <holstein>  /etc/default/burg
[14:34] <bluebird> did you get it?
[14:35] <holstein> nope
[14:35] <holstein> i dont dcc
[14:35] <holstein> you can just paste the link in the channel
[14:36] <bluebird> where should i upload it?
[14:36] <holstein> !paste
[14:37] <bluebird> http://paste.ubuntu.com/908800/
[14:38] <bluebird> is that it?
[14:39] <bluebird> did you understood line 13 to 15?
[14:40] <bluebird> hey
[14:41] <holstein> bluebird: and you ran sudo update-burg afterwards?
[14:41] <bluebird> no
[14:42] <holstein> bluebird: OK... thats the first line
[14:42] <holstein> # If you change this file, run 'update-burg' afterwards to update
[14:42] <holstein> thats how grub works as well
[14:42] <bluebird> as i didnt change anything
[14:42] <bluebird> it was like that when i opened it
[14:42] <holstein> bluebird: you changed GRUB_DEFAULT=4
[14:42] <holstein> ?
[14:42] <bluebird> nope
[14:43] <holstein> bluebird: something did
[14:43] <holstein> and if you know you want 4, which im not sure you do, then issue that command
[14:43] <bluebird> yes the super boot manager
[14:43] <holstein> it literlaly wont hurt to issue that command
[14:43] <holstein> bluebird: i wouldnt be using multiple boot managers
[14:43] <bluebird> i did it now
[14:43] <holstein> i would expect issues
[14:44] <bluebird> does ubuntu has another boot manager
[14:44] <holstein> grub is the default
[14:44] <bluebird> okay
[14:44] <holstein> there are 3rd party ones.. plop, gag... also lilo
[14:44] <bluebird> okay
[14:44] <holstein> grub is the one that is arguably most supported
[14:44] <holstein> and thats the one that would just be working for you right now as well
[14:45] <holstein> OR, xp is not #4
[14:45] <bluebird> but can you explain "Some people miss this out, uncomment "GRUB_SAVEDEFAULT=true"."
[14:45] <holstein> bluebird: no
[14:45] <holstein> i dont use burg
[14:45] <holstein> i dont know what that means... it doesnt seem like something you should need
[14:45] <holstein> uncomment it, run sudo update-burg and see what it does
[14:46] <holstein> look for a burg support channel and ask
[14:46] <bluebird> how do i uncomment it?
[14:46] <holstein> email the maintainer, or try and find a man page
[14:46] <bluebird> thats my question
[14:46] <holstein> bluebird: yeah, you get rid of the #
[14:46] <holstein> and i dont think you should be messing around in there
[14:46] <bluebird> okay
[14:46] <holstein> i really feel like you should be using the system as close to default as possible right now
[14:46] <holstein> but, thats what uncommenting means
[14:47] <holstein> you delete the # so the computer reads it
[14:47] <holstein> otherwise, its ignored
[14:47] <bluebird> okay
[14:47] <bluebird> Generating burg.cfg ...
[14:47] <bluebird> Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.0.0-17-generic
[14:47] <bluebird> Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.0.0-17-generic
[14:47] <bluebird> Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.0.0-12-generic
[14:47] <bluebird> Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.0.0-12-generic
[14:47] <bluebird> Found Microsoft Windows XP Professional on /dev/sda1
[14:47] <bluebird> done
[14:47] <bluebird> bluebird@bluebird-Sy
[14:48] <bluebird> http://paste.ubuntu.com/908811/
[14:48] <bluebird> it shows that xp is 5th
[14:49] <holstein> cool.. its 4th for now then
[14:50] <bluebird> okay
[14:50] <bluebird> so removing burg is the option?
[14:50] <holstein> bluebird: thats an option
[14:51] <holstein> if its not working, i would remove it, but i dont care what something i see for maybe 2 seconds a month looks like
[14:51] <bluebird> you dont shut down for a month?
[14:51] <holstein> i have mostly laptops or servers and dont reboot them much
[14:52] <bluebird> how do i learn all the command line?
[14:52] <bluebird> that we use it terminal
[14:53] <bluebird> use in^
[14:53] <bluebird> where you from?
[14:55] <bluebird> i understand you dont want to talk about that
[14:55] <bluebird> thanks for the help
[14:56] <bluebird> hey i more thing
[14:57] <bluebird> can i edit that burg file without the terminal command?
[14:58] <holstein> im in the US... you can open it with the other command i mentioned
[14:59] <holstein> gksudo gedit /path/to/file
[14:59] <holstein> gksudo gedit /etc/default/burg
[14:59] <bluebird> i mean is there another way?
[14:59] <holstein> if you just dont want to see a terminal window, you can hit alt+f2 and run that command from there
[14:59] <holstein> bluebird: you can open a root account, login from there and click on the file
[14:59] <bluebird> what if the path is a long one?
[15:00] <bluebird> okay
[15:00] <holstein> you can right click on it and try "open with"
[15:00] <holstein> bluebird:  this is all open, there are endless possibilities
[15:00] <holstein> bluebird: tab auto completes... just like in here
[15:00] <bluebird> but when i edited it the save option dimmed out
[15:00] <holstein> you type "hol" and hit tab, and it auto completes
[15:01] <holstein> bluebird: you are not root
[15:01] <holstein> gksudo is what gives you the rights to edit that file
[15:01] <holstein> gives your normal user
[15:02] <bluebird> im using an admin acc
[15:02] <holstein> bluebird: you shouldnt be
[15:02] <holstein> bluebird: you dont want to be
[15:03] <holstein> and you likely arent if that box is greyed out
[15:04] <bluebird> whats the problem of being admin
[15:05] <bluebird> http://imagebin.org/206158
[15:05] <holstein> bluebird: its just like the windows user structure
[15:05] <bluebird> okay
[15:06] <bluebird> did u see the pic?
[15:06] <holstein> if you are browsing the web, and something comes up that says "do something bad" and the user has those rights, and gives those rights to the web browser, thenn something bad will happen
[15:06] <holstein> and happen system wide
[15:06] <holstein> when, there is *no* good reason for a web browser to have admin privs
[15:06] <bluebird> okay
[15:06] <holstein> bluebird: i would make another normal user
[15:07] <bluebird> okay
[15:07] <holstein> get used to the use of sudo
[15:07] <bluebird> so why the grey out?
[15:07] <bluebird> i even unlock it
[15:07] <holstein> bluebird: not sure.. maybe you still dont have root privs
[15:08] <bluebird> i thought when i unlock it , i get root priv
[15:09] <holstein> bluebird: i have no idea what that lock is or means
[15:09] <holstein> its a GUI that has no meaning to me
[15:10] <holstein> i know when im in the terminal and i run...
[15:10] <holstein> sudo -s
[15:10] <holstein> i can edit what i need to
[15:10] <bluebird> i didnt understood that type hol and hit tab
[15:10] <holstein> bluebird: type hol
[15:10] <holstein> then hit the tab key
[15:10] <bluebird> in terminal?
[15:10] <holstein> bluebird: right here
[15:11] <holstein> i type b and hit tab and bluebird is auto-completed
[15:11] <holstein> the path is the same in the terminal
[15:11] <bluebird> okay
[15:12] <holstein> OK
[15:12] <holstein> so try it.. type h and hit tab
[15:13] <bluebird> i mean do i have to type /etc/default/burg manually
[15:14] <holstein> bluebird: you can type in /et and hit tab
[15:14] <holstein> then def and hit tab
[15:14] <bluebird> okay
[15:14] <holstein> you can always hit tab in the terminal and get the path to auto complete
[15:14] <holstein> or list options available
[15:14] <holstein> so you dont have any typos
[15:15] <holstein> anyways.. i need to run... i would try #ubuntu ...you are not usuing ubuntustudio
[15:15] <bluebird> okay
[15:15] <holstein> i would also try and stick to the defaults for a while
[15:15] <bluebird> thanks again
[15:15] <holstein> i would try exerimenting with the live CD's
[15:15] <holstein> boot those up, break things... try things there, and see what breaks and why
[15:15] <holstein> anyways.. good luck!
[15:16] <bluebird> okay
[17:24] <Halexander9000> Greetings from Eastern Europe, gentlehumans! I seem to have little problem involving OpenShot Video Editor and libmp3lame. Both of them are installed, the later has been recently compiled and installed manually by myself. Yet when I want to compile an Mp4, OpenShot doesn't seen to recognize that libmp3lame is installed. How do I check that I installed it properly and how do I make Openshot recognize it?


[19:36] <JordiGH> Is there any official position regarding the GFDL?
[19:55] <Flannel> It's a nice acronym, sort of round in some parts, and square in others.  It's almost sort of symmetrical, if you squint a little.
[20:04] <JordiGH> I guess that means, "we don't give a damn"?
[20:09] <Flannel> JordiGH: I have no idea, I'm certainly not the one to ask.  Burgundavia might be.
[20:09] <Burgundavia> Flannel: what?
[20:09] <JordiGH> Kay.
[20:09] <Flannel> Burgundavia: 11:36 < JordiGH> Is there any official position regarding the GFDL?
[20:10] <Burgundavia> all ubuntu doc stuff is still dual licensed, afaik
[20:10] <Burgundavia> cc bysa and gfdl
[23:21] <mdke> JordiGH: no, we relicensed our documentation to cc-by-sa like over a year ago
[23:21] <mdke> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/License
[23:22]  * mdke smacks Burgundavia
[23:24] <JordiGH> mdke: Hm, I think I'm asking in the wrong place. I was wondering if overall Ubuntu had any issues with GFDLed docs.
[23:24] <mdke> JordiGH: no, not as far as I know. There are lots of them in the main Ubuntu repository
[23:25] <mdke> which is the repository used for supported software which fits all of our requirements for free software
[23:25] <JordiGH> So Ubuntu ignores the main/contrib/non-free separations that Debian makes, takes everything, and redistributes everything in their own way.
[23:26] <mdke> JordiGH: well, I don't know exactly what relationship there is between the Ubuntu and Debian components, but they are certainly at least partly independent
[23:27] <mdke> most Gnome documentation is licensed under GDFL, and that's in Ubuntu's main repository
[23:28] <JordiGH> Yeah, I see.


[01:43] <kenb> Is there a fix to the volume control in Xfce Xubuntu? What it does is if you go over about 1/3 volume it maxes out and starts a stuttering of the volume level and generally cuts audio in and out rapidly?
[01:43] <kenb> It does not affect application like SMplayer or VLC etc. Just the mixer itself.
[01:48] <kenb> Here is what I think is happening. If I open Sound Settings from the Panel, the mixer and levels work perfect. But if I slide the Panel master control beyond 1/2 way is when the pulsing occurs. It is like the Panel slider is operating a different mixer, as the controls do not move in the Sound Settings window?
[01:51] <kenb> Is there more than 1 mixer application that is installed? Do I need to remove one of them? I know generally you have Alsa Mixer and Pulse Audio. Its like I have more than 1 master volume control and they are fighting each other.
[06:38] <stegman> Hi,  I'm having trouble getting Transmission working on Xubuntu 14.04. pfSense says the port is forwarded, both TCP and UDP, but when I check it with GRC (https://www.grc.com/) I get the message 'Stealth Unknown Protocol for this port Unknown Application for this port,' and indeed the torrents are not seeding. I've set up a static IP on the machine, so that isn't the problem, and 'Use UPnP' is unchecked in the client. Also, the xub
[06:38] <stegman> untu firewall is inactive. I had no problems with the port being closed when I was using Transmission-QT on Windows, so the problem must be with Xubuntu, but I have no idea what it could be. I'm stumped. Any ideas?
[07:46] <xubuntu81d> Hello, Could someone help me with Xubuntu 15.10? i need to delete old printer driver.
[08:55] <battleaxe> hello! I'm an idiot.. I've set ethtool -s eth0 wol pg but i don't know how to make it stick on reboot
[08:56] <battleaxe> my /etc/network/interfaces file only has 'auto lo' and 'iface lo inet loopback', no mention of eth0
[10:39] <xubuntu-jlb> Is anyone successfully using PHP in 16.04, and would be willing to walk me through some things? From what I understand 16.04 hasn't decided on a PHP version yet -- the problem in facing now is that some extensions install for 7, while others for 5.6, and im struggling to consolidate them..
[10:39] <xubuntu-jlb> Or maybe it's best to wait until 16.04 stable is out -- and hopefully all that will be sorted by then
[10:55] <knome> xubuntu-jlb, 16.04 is still in beta stage, so you are correct, you shouldn't count on it being stable yet
[11:02] <xubuntu-jlb> alrighty - thanks knome
[11:03] <j0kker> hello :D is anyone here wiling to help me with something :D :D Thank you in advance :D
[11:45] <j0kker> Having trouble instalin popcorn time in xubuntu ? someone help please :D :D
[12:21] <dkessel> j0kker: what about this? https://askubuntu.com/questions/675526/how-to-install-popcorn-time-using-installer-from-their-official-site
[12:22] <dkessel> btw: don't do anything illegal with it ;)
[12:22] <j0kker> i will give it a try imidetly .. i folowed many tutorials but all failed :D im not expert on Linux / Xubuntu but i can find my way :D i installed all other packages only this one gives me problems ..
[12:23] <j0kker> i will give it a try now :D ty
[12:25] <j0kker> dkessel,  here is the feedback: sudo: ./install: command not found
[12:28] <j0kker> tutorial says that its a tar.xz file.. i have a tar.gz downloaded from the official site
[12:41] <flocculant> j0kker: what does the readme say? if you get command not found - see what it says in the readme
[12:41] <j0kker> doesnt include readme
[12:41] <j0kker> i kinda made it run .. but full of errors can i paste them here ..
[12:42] <flocculant> no
[12:42] <flocculant> use a paste bin please
[12:42] <j0kker> paste bin ? what is that ? :D
[12:42] <knome> !pastebin | j0kker
[12:43] <j0kker> :D
[12:43] <j0kker> how about just one line ? can i paste that ? :D
[12:44] <knome> is one line multi-line?
[12:44] <j0kker> nop
[12:44] <j0kker> :D
[12:44] <j0kker> [11081:0321/134203:INFO:gpu_info_collector_x11.cc(80)] NVCtrl extension does not exist.
[12:45] <j0kker> i would be easier if webupd8team ppa was working !!!
[12:47] <flocculant> http://askubuntu.com/questions/703963/popcorn-time-installation
[12:48] <flocculant> that should be current
[12:49] <j0kker> this ./Popcorn-Time
[12:50] <j0kker> gives me this
[12:50] <j0kker> [11081:0321/134203:INFO:gpu_info_collector_x11.cc(80)] NVCtrl extension does not exist.
[12:50] <j0kker> it opens but its like adds and stuff
[12:51] <j0kker> i will screen shot
[12:53] <j0kker> http://imgur.com/dsu2QBq
[12:53] <j0kker> no borders .. nothing ..
[12:54] <flocculant> well that's what happens with beta stuff I guess
[12:54] <flocculant> anyway - not able to help
[12:54] <j0kker> :( ..
[12:54] <j0kker> ty for your time flocculant
[12:56] <j0kker> maybe i should use wine and install the windows wersion
[12:56] <j0kker> :D
[13:20] <j0kker> wich is the best way to run windows apps on linux ?
[13:56] <j0kker> Best way to unistall ... apt-get remove/autoremove/purge ?
[13:57] <knome> they do different things
[13:59] <j0kker> oh, so witch one to use if i whant to completly remove something .. ex wine ?
[13:59] <knome> purge removes the package and its configuration
[14:00] <j0kker> thankss
[14:00] <j0kker> where r u from ? whats the time in your zone ? :D
[14:14] <j0kker> My videos wont play ... :( transfered from my phone ..
[14:15] <j0kker> it starts the pic but it stays frozen .. the bar is movin but not the pics
[14:15] <j0kker> :(
[14:59] <ARandomScientist> Trying to control cooling fan speed. Any ideas?
[15:36] <ARandomScientist> Trying to change how my cooling fan runs. Any ideas?
[23:09] <MSponge> Evening all.
[23:11] <MSponge> o/ err hello ?
[23:15] <knome> hello.
[23:25] <MSponge> knome, Hiya.


[05:59] <flxfoo> Hi all
[06:00] <flxfoo> Is there anybody who knows about that collection "linklayerdevicesrefs" ? :)


 I'll keep it on there full-cycle
[03:02] <jjesse> snap-l how slow download on that link
[03:03] <snap-l> jjesse: You'll want to save it first
[03:03] <snap-l> and that's Ubuntu One. ;)
[03:06] <_stink__> snap-l: i only saw like the first 20 seconds of that video... and i was hoping hoping hoping that she would chuck something at the screen after seeing her initial reaction
[03:10] <snap-l> JonathanD: Mail sent
[03:10] <snap-l> er, jcastro, mail sent.
[03:26] <rick_h__> geeze, how big is this thing snap-l ?
[03:27] <snap-l> 267MB
[03:27] <rick_h__> I thought I wsa downloading slow and moved to wget, but getting 1M+
[03:27] <jjesse> yeaht it is taking forver
[03:27] <rick_h__> crap, saved as index.html
[03:27] <snap-l> I could try moving it to dropbox
[03:27] <rick_h__> what's the file supposed to be?
[03:28] <snap-l> mvi_3175.avi
[03:28] <snap-l> It's a video of JoDee using Natty for the first time
[03:28] <rick_h__> yea, I got that based off her tweet
[03:28] <rick_h__> now I must see
[03:29] <Blazeix_> I like that the second thing she looked for was a terminal. And the third was emacs.
[03:29] <Blazeix_> though I think Unity probably wasn't quite as user-friendly since the virtualbox window didn't capture the mouse.
[03:32] <snap-l> Yeah, just a hair
[03:36] <rick_h__> lol, "love ya jorge, later"
[03:59]  * greg-g waves from Denver
[03:59] <snap-l> greg-g: Hello Denver
[03:59] <snap-l> say hi to Gilligan for us
[03:59] <greg-g> ?
[03:59] <snap-l> Bob Denver
[03:59] <greg-g> ah
[04:03] <snap-l> http://fukung.net/v/5127/fonziesocks.jpg
[04:05] <snap-l> http://fukung.net/v/18244/darkvador.jpg
[12:51] <wolfger> morning
[12:57] <tjagoda> yo
[13:01] <brousch> someone needs to bring me some coffee
[13:02] <wolfger> someone needs to inject the coffee I have intrvenously.
[13:03] <wolfger> walk around with one of those hospital hat-racks and a caffeine drip straight to my arm
[13:04] <brousch> make it so. sell it on thinkgeek
[13:04] <wolfger> Look for it next April ;-)
[13:05] <wolfger> So is Penguicon even happening this year?
[13:06] <tjagoda> I sure hope so
[13:06] <wolfger> It's like 22 or 23 days away, and I haven't seen a schedule yet
[13:06] <tjagoda> It's been tweeted
[13:06] <tjagoda> Its not my fault you fail to follow the proper media channels =P
[13:06] <wolfger> well there's your problem. Twitter is dead
[13:06] <tjagoda> That not my problem
[13:06] <tjagoda> I
[13:06] <tjagoda> m
[13:06] <tjagoda> not incharge of schedule
[13:06] <tjagoda> in charge*
[13:07] <wolfger> what happened to the annual penguicon-general mailing list post calling for proofreaders?
[13:07] <tjagoda> They're behind the gun
[13:07] <tjagoda> The tech guy didn't do much
[13:07] <tjagoda> and then the DIY guy got overwhelmed
[13:08] <tjagoda> so they're scrambling in please-dont-suck mode atm
[13:09] <tjagoda> So
[13:09] <tjagoda> while you whine about a finished schedule
[13:09] <tjagoda> somebody's probably trying to make sure any tech programming /exists/ =p
[13:10] <brousch> i should have seen a spam announcement about penguicon on all of my email lists 45 days before the event. i think i saw one thing from tjagoda
[13:11] <tjagoda> Don't worry
[13:11] <tjagoda> I run next year
[13:11] <tjagoda> Linux shall rule the convention
[13:11] <brousch> my theory is that it got too scary and weird so now you're stuck with scary weirdos organizing the thing
[13:11] <tjagoda> Nah
[13:12] <tjagoda> just had leadership this year
[13:12] <tjagoda> people got lazy
[13:13] <rick_h__> lol
[13:13] <tjagoda> Unless I'm a scary weirdo
[13:13] <tjagoda> in which case you must be right
[13:15] <wolfger> tjagoda == !scary && weird
[13:15] <rick_h__> so he's weird then
[13:16] <tjagoda> I haven't yet been able to master both simultaneously
[13:16]  * wolfger suspect brousch scares easy, though
[13:17] <tjagoda> We'll have to find some furries or something =P
[13:19] <wolfger> http://penguicon.org/events.php hurts my brain
[13:19] <wolfger> this is really awful web design for a theoretically tech-oriented con
[13:20] <tjagoda> I KNOW
[13:20] <tjagoda> My web guy wants to switch to wordpress
[13:21] <tjagoda> versus the custom ugly CMS we use now
[13:21] <wolfger> and what is with the "timeslot" column?
[13:21] <tjagoda> uhh
[13:21] <tjagoda> I dont know
[13:22] <wolfger> "06 9PM"... Is that supposed to be 6-9 PM? Or 9PM lasting for 06 hours? Or wtf?
[13:22] <tjagoda> "Most anticipated games is 07 10PM"
[13:22] <tjagoda> i dont think it is either 7 hours long nor more than one hour
[13:23] <wolfger> Would be nice if the schedule was time-ordered and not title-ordered
[13:23] <wolfger> because, you know, it's a SCHEDULE!
[13:27] <tjagoda> As long as the book works
[13:27] <tjagoda> I dont care
[13:30] <tjagoda> As i transfer files out of my old work laptop into my new one
[13:30] <tjagoda> the old harddisk sounds very thrashey
[13:30] <tjagoda> It was a good time to upgrade
[13:36] <wolfger> Here's one for brousch: "Anthropomorphic Fandom Discussion"
[13:37] <snap-l> I saw the call for proofreading call
[13:37] <snap-l> though I don't recall which list it was on
[13:39] <wolfger> I saw a website proofreading call.
[13:39] <wolfger> which is what made me think "hmm, shouldn't we have proofread a schedule by now?"
[13:41] <brousch> omg. a company gave us a login to their ftp server so we could download drawings from them. apparently they gave us full rights. we can delete things and upload things
[13:42] <tjagoda> lolol
[13:42] <wolfger> it's nice to be trusted?
[13:43] <snap-l> whoops
[13:43] <tjagoda> or to work with stupid companies
[13:45] <brousch> they also use some freeware spam system that adds an ad to the bottom of all of their emails
[13:46] <snap-l> jcastro: Did you watch that video?
[13:48] <snap-l> I must have my user testing acknowledged, or I'll whine on the blogosphere that Canonical doesn't care about my needs.
[13:49] <tjagoda> ?
[13:55] <snap-l> tjagoda: I did a video showing JoDee's first exposure to Natty
[13:55] <rick_h__> snap-l: lol, that was a bit loaded user testing
[13:55] <snap-l> and unity
[13:56] <snap-l> rick_h__: It was a little bit, but I wanted to make a point
[13:56] <snap-l> I'm not saying it's scientific
[13:56] <snap-l> It's not like I pulled some schmoo off the street and handed them a computer
[13:56] <brousch> url?
[13:56] <snap-l> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9058804/mvi_3175.avi
[13:57] <snap-l> and it's also not JoDee's machine
[13:57] <snap-l> she doesn't use lister for her day-to-day, so yes, it was a little stilted
[13:58] <snap-l> Although JoDee did pretty much do what she does first on a new computer: bring up NOAA and make it the homepage.
[13:58] <rick_h__> yea, was funny that part was just FF4
[13:58] <jcastro> watching it now
[13:59] <jcastro> oh boo snap-l you should have at least fullscreened it
[13:59] <rick_h__> but there was some poking and prodding at wanting to configure
[13:59] <snap-l> jcastro: Yeah, I suck
[14:00] <rick_h__> lol
[14:00] <rick_h__> we need to send snap-l to user testing school. Then he can run clinics here in MI
[14:00] <rick_h__> guess I'd better ping that testing lady for the interview
[14:01] <jcastro> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1721627
[14:02] <rick_h__> ugh, reason #154 why I never visit the forums any more
[14:02] <jcastro> yeah tell me about it
[14:03] <tjagoda> ugh
[14:03] <tjagoda> I love how geeks tear everything to shreds and debate on tiny bits and irrelevant pieces
[14:03] <snap-l> tjagoda: Yeah, it keeps the real work from happening. :)
[14:04] <snap-l> What's to say that askubuntu.com won't suffer the same fate of outdated info?
[14:05] <rick_h__> http://jmtd.net/log/aero/ I give it 5 years and everyone will be tiling :)
[14:05] <wolfger> Forum poll voted on and responded to :-)
[14:07] <tjagoda> nice
[14:07] <jcastro> snap-l: you can always update any part of it
[14:07] <jcastro> I can never go update your "guide to emacs" on a forum
[14:07] <snap-l> wolfger: Always ready to put the fire out with gasoline, aren't you.
[14:08] <snap-l> jcastro: Well, you can post something about 80 pages into my "guide to emacs" forum post that says that the original post is going to cause your computer to go purple.
[14:09] <jcastro> exactly.
[14:09] <jcastro> or if it's wrong I can fix it, or vote to bury it
[14:09] <snap-l> but yeah, at least on ask ubuntu, you can score it lower
[14:09] <jcastro> it works very well on SO, and they're like 50 times bigger than us
[14:10] <snap-l> Just as long as all of the hints for getting games in wine running is preserved, I'm happy.
[14:10] <jcastro> heh
[14:10] <jcastro> I would love it if the forums just moved the howtos and stuff over
[14:10] <jcastro> and left the forums for people to do forums-type things
[14:11] <snap-l> The forums took over the less formal piece of launchpad
[14:11] <jcastro> but it's ok, if that guy thinks that keeping his old out of date information as an "archive" is good for the internet then I hope he stays there.
[14:11] <jcastro> people don't realize how poisonous outdated information
[14:11] <jcastro> is
[14:11] <jcastro> (sorry forgot the is)
[14:11] <jcastro> it's because of that crap in the forums that we have like that guy using fwcutter or whatever stupid thing he was doing on sunday
[14:11] <snap-l> It would be better if someone kept updating it
[14:12] <snap-l> I've done a few searches on things that have shown up: first thing you do for 8.04
[14:12] <snap-l> and my heart sinks a bit
[14:12] <jcastro> when instead what we should be doing is finding every instance of ndiswrapper docs and nuking it from space
[14:12] <snap-l> jcastro: And beligerant that his process had to change.
[14:12] <jcastro> his way was harder!
[14:13] <jcastro> I mean, plug in an ethernet cable!
[14:13] <snap-l> No shit
[14:13] <wolfger> snap-l: yes sir!
[14:13] <snap-l> and he mounted his old 8.04 instance and copied over the firmware
[14:13] <jcastro> the other guy had a hard time believing me too, but when he saw it working I could see the learning in his eyes
[14:13] <snap-l> and got it working!
[14:13] <snap-l> to which I said "then quitcherbitching"
[14:13] <jcastro> I wouldn't say working
[14:13] <jcastro> it's a workaround
[14:13] <jcastro> now he has some old ass firmware on his machine
[14:13] <jcastro> who knows what bugs ...
[14:14] <snap-l> Well, Ubuntu sucks anyway. ;)
[14:14] <jcastro> buy another mac!
[14:14] <snap-l> I'm moving to slackware, where they appreciate my 100 line script to set up a network connection
[14:14] <snap-l> it only requires 40 tweaks to get it working in the coffeeshop
[14:16] <wolfger> forum archives are an invaluable resource. Not everybody is using the latest-n-greatest, and also we can learn from the past.
[14:16] <snap-l> My favorite was that the development packages weren't in the software store.
[14:17] <snap-l> wolfger: They need to be moved to another source
[14:17] <wolfger> The problem here is, you have some people wanting to hide the archives from view to protect stupid people from hurting themselves.
[14:17] <wolfger> Move to another source, fine
[14:17] <wolfger> as long as Google can still find it
[14:17] <snap-l> I agree that the information might be usefu, but a forum posting is not terribly useful to deploy that info
[14:18] <wolfger> I don't care where on the net the info is located, as long as it's there
[14:18] <snap-l> and you can get a caveat on the main page of "hey, times changed, and if you do this on > xx.xx, then you'll bust your machine
[14:18] <wolfger> and 9 times out of 10, Google gives me an  Ubuntu forums archive answer
[14:19] <snap-l> If the forums want toorganize a "best of the forums" move, then I'd love to see them do that.
[14:19] <wolfger> ...
[14:19] <wolfger> the time and energy to do that could be so much better spent
[14:20] <tjagoda> I would quietly auto-nuke any old forum postings without telling the community
[14:20] <snap-l> could be, yes... should be? not sure.
[14:20] <tjagoda> I get so pissed when I google for ubuntu help and I find results from 2005
[14:20] <tjagoda> or 2006
[14:21] <snap-l> tjagoda: Glad you brought the flint for wolfger's gasoline.
[14:21] <tjagoda> Its like a tradition
[14:21] <tjagoda> =p
[14:22] <brousch> dangit, this is still broken in natty https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/496093
[14:25] <wolfger> I would quietly nuke tjagoda without telling anybody
[14:39] <tjagoda> It clearly says "fix released"
[14:39] <tjagoda> Foolish you
[14:39] <tjagoda> expecting it to be in the OS
[14:39] <tjagoda> =P
[14:40] <brousch> it lies
[14:42] <ColonelPanic001> I gave up ever expecting the p-con site to be updated before the event starts
[14:42] <ColonelPanic001> I just show up and hope it has something other than furries and random things I don't care about
[14:43] <ColonelPanic001> Also gave up telling people to go to Penguicon, because I can never tell them wtf will be there
[14:43] <brousch> that implies that you care about furries
[14:43] <tjagoda> ColonelPanic001: I WILL FIX YOU
[14:43] <_stink__> good catch
[14:43] <ColonelPanic001> brousch: I DO WHAT I WANT
[14:43] <ColonelPanic001> :P
[14:43] <wolfger> ColonelPanic001: I always tell people to go to Penguicon *because* you never know wtf will be there!
[14:44] <brousch> not that there's anything wrong with that
[14:44] <ColonelPanic001> it's a little surreal to talk to someone about ham radio for 10 minutes, and have him just casually mention going to furry conventions, as though it's the most natural thing in the world
[14:44] <wolfger> it is
[14:44] <wolfger> isn't it?
[14:44] <ColonelPanic001> I personally don't *mind* furries, but it's still unusual to hear about so casually
[14:45] <ColonelPanic001> in any case, yeah.
[14:45] <brousch> i suspect a large overlap among furries and ham operators
[14:45] <ColonelPanic001> a weekend and a trip is too much go say "meh, we'll see if it was worth it when I get there"
[14:45] <ColonelPanic001> I mean, I'm going this year, but I wouldn't tell someone else to go without actually being able to tell them wtf is there
[14:45] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: Penguicon is what you make of it
[14:45] <brousch> i imagine most ham operators wear their furry garb while hamming
[14:46] <snap-l> if you are waiting to be disappointed, you will be disappointed
[14:46] <ColonelPanic001> especially after last year. First things on the schedule for a "sf and open source" con?  I would love nothing more than to have it be awesome again. I still really like it.
[14:48] <wolfger> ColonelPanic001: There was chakra aura stuff? I must have overlooked that while I was busy doing cool stuff.
[14:48] <ColonelPanic001> wolfger: I didn't go either. I was trying to find the cool stuff in advance
[14:48] <ColonelPanic001> a week in advance.
[14:49] <wolfger> Yeah... I can remember the good old days when I actually planned out Penguicon weeks in advance....
[14:49] <wolfger> Now I'm scratching my head with no idea what's going on.
[14:50] <wolfger> I want whoever used to be in charge of the scheduling to be in charge of it every year
[14:50] <brousch> tjagoda will fix it all next year
[14:50] <wolfger> tjagoda: make it so
[14:51] <ColonelPanic001> I don't *mind* aura woo-woo stuff being at the con - I love the variety. I want the focus to be on science, science fiction, and FOSS stuff, that's all. it's become a mash of all things strange or odd. I love the strangeness and oddness, I just want it to regain focus
[14:51] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: ++
[14:51] <ColonelPanic001> I emailed last *June* to do a talk about ham radio. We first heard back in october with nothing really, then just a month or two ago
[14:51] <wolfger> but I have no doubt that I will still have fun, and I will still have several instances of omgwtfbbq how can I choose one of these 4 or 5 cool things to attend at 3PM?
[14:51] <ColonelPanic001> wtf do they do at those "meetings"?
[14:51] <ColonelPanic001> or on the mailing list?
[14:51] <ColonelPanic001> I don't have time to do it now, that's why I emailed nearly a year ago
[14:51] <wolfger> ColonelPanic001++
[14:52] <wolfger> on the "regain focus"
[14:52] <snap-l> I couldn't even tell you who is a GOH outside of Brian Sanderson
[14:52] <ColonelPanic001> I don't mean to bitch, I still love penguicon. But, that's why it gets to me a bit. Penguicon is f'ing awesome. I want it to stay that way.
[14:52] <wolfger> who?
[14:52] <wolfger> :-)
[14:53]  * ColonelPanic001 puts away his soapbox.
[14:53] <snap-l> I don't think there was anyone who was proactive in the tech piece this year.
[14:54] <snap-l> And whomever did it underestimated the contributions of the loco / user groups
[14:55] <jrwren> is there any way to tell google reader to NOT automatically expire old unread posts?
[14:55] <ColonelPanic001> I've never used it, sorry
[14:55] <snap-l> jrwren: I didn't know it did that?
[14:55] <jrwren> yeah.
[14:55] <snap-l> You sure it's not the feed itself?
[14:55] <jrwren> i can't use it ot track what I haven't read yet, because if too much time goes by things just drop off of the "unread" list into the Old list.
[14:56] <jrwren> i'm 100% positive. things worked great in bloglines.
[14:56] <snap-l> Which feeds are you noticing this in?
[14:56] <jrwren> all
[14:56] <jrwren> i have over 1000 subscriptions.
[14:57] <ColonelPanic001> jrwren reads too much.
[14:57] <jrwren> e.g. lococast, I've never read or listened too, but reader only says I have 10 unread.
[14:57] <ColonelPanic001> that's just Google Reader screaming in agony.
[14:57] <jrwren> yeah, i can't believe people embraced this POS when bloglines was out there.
[14:58] <jrwren> its just proof that google is just liek apple, people go ga-ga over their shit and ignore peoples other superior products.
[14:58] <jrwren> its just like the "i want an iphone" skit "it grands you 3 wishes... i don't care."
[14:58] <ColonelPanic001> heh
[14:59] <ColonelPanic001> I generally avoid google stuff when it's not the clear superior. I like their email service, but I use netvibes for RSS
[14:59] <ColonelPanic001> Piwik insead of google analytics
[15:00] <jrwren> piwik eh? I should try them.
[15:00] <jrwren> is that a service or a run yourself?
[15:00] <jrwren> I should run awstats against my site too, but I don't.
[15:00] <ColonelPanic001> I'm not a power user, but it works well enough for me
[15:01] <ColonelPanic001> piwik is, yeah. JUst a PHP webapp you install
[15:01] <ColonelPanic001> I liked the fact that it's self-hosted. Scary to think how many sites you go to that call Google.
[15:01] <jrwren> true.
[15:01] <ColonelPanic001> that was my main reason.
[15:01] <jrwren> i'm going to play with it. thanks for that tip.
[15:01] <ColonelPanic001> np, good luck
[15:02] <ColonelPanic001> It's not as pretty as GA, not as featureful, but I just was looking for some basic traffic analytics
[15:02] <ColonelPanic001> and something not google
[15:02] <brousch> jrwren: piwik is a one click install at dreamhost. maybe at bluehost too?
[15:02] <ColonelPanic001> didn't know that, awesome
[15:03] <jrwren> http://msdn.microsoft.com/de-de/magazine/gg983490%28en-us%29.aspx   "As a longtime Python programmer..."
[15:03] <jrwren> brousch: i'll check, sounds awesome.
[15:03] <brousch> ColonelPanic001: came in about 2 or 3 months ago
[15:03] <ColonelPanic001> nice
[15:03] <jrwren> ColonelPanic001: the screenshots from the piwik website had it looking nicer than GA
[15:04] <ColonelPanic001> jrwren: might be updated since I last did it, then
[15:04] <ColonelPanic001> then again too, I haven't used GA in ages
[15:04] <snap-l> jrwren: Yeah, you do need to clean out Google Reader every now and again
[15:04] <jrwren> i need ot clean it out? why?
[15:04] <snap-l> We used piwik at sf.net. It's... different.
[15:05] <snap-l> jrwren: read the articles?
[15:05] <snap-l> Otherwise it's essentially dead to you anyway?
[15:05] <snap-l> pick out the ones you want to read, and star them
[15:05] <snap-l> and dump the rest.
[15:06] <jrwren> riht, but i want to be able to read stuff from 6mo ago that i never read.
[15:06] <jrwren> that scenario is unsupported :(
[15:06] <jrwren> thus google reader doesn't support the way I read
[15:06] <jrwren> and so I hate it.
[15:06] <snap-l> jrwren: Then use a different reader
[15:06] <jrwren> i shall.
[15:07] <jrwren> its just a pain, because I migrted from bloglines
[15:07] <snap-l> personally I would freak out if I had 1000+ unread items
[15:07] <jrwren> now I have to move back.
[15:07] <jrwren> i've had 3000+ unread items.
[15:07] <jrwren> its no big deal.
[15:07] <jrwren> read the good stuff.
[15:07] <tjagoda> I'm trying to get Shuttleworth as a Tech GoH for 2012
[15:07] <jrwren> skim the uninteresting.
[15:07] <snap-l> How do you pick out the good stuff from 3000+ items?
[15:07] <tjagoda> I feel ColonelPanic's pain
[15:07] <jrwren> the non ubuntu folks will cry imba
[15:08] <jrwren> snap-l: skim it all, read was looks good :)
[15:08] <snap-l> Why not do that more regularly?
[15:08] <snap-l> instead of 6mos ago?
[15:09] <tjagoda> I dont care
[15:09] <tjagoda> If they cry I get publicity
[15:09] <tjagoda> =P
[15:11] <brousch> snap-l should qualify as goh. he has 2 successful podcasts
[15:12] <snap-l> I have the draw of a demagnetized refrigerator magnet
[15:13] <snap-l> Though it would be great for the "who?" factor
[15:16] <ColonelPanic001> brousch: ++
[15:17] <ColonelPanic001> tjagoda: you have to try and get Wil Wheaton. He doesn't have to come, we just have to keep the tradition
[15:17] <ColonelPanic001> In fact, somehow, it might be bad if he did come.
[15:17] <ColonelPanic001> "I'm sorry sir, you weren't supposed to actually make it here. You'll have to leave. We have years of tradition to protect"
[15:25] <tjagoda> uhoh
[15:25] <tjagoda> IIS just started refusing all connections
[15:25]  * tjagoda goes periscope down
[15:25] <ColonelPanic001> I don't see the down side.
[15:28] <wolfger> jrwren: anything older than 30 days is marked read in G-Reader, and I don't know any way to change or disable that.
[15:29] <wolfger> But you can still view the older stuff
[15:29] <wolfger> it's just less convenient
[15:30] <wolfger> so your RSS pron collection is not lost :-)
[15:31] <wolfger> snap-l: I struggle to stay below 1000+ unread
[15:31] <snap-l> I get rid of things like Boing Boing and Lifehacker
[15:31] <jjesse> and planet.ubuntu.com :0
[15:31] <snap-l> they're just too much to read, and I'll find out about the cool shit somehow
[15:32] <snap-l> I'm still subscribed to the planets, but if they explode, I'll just mark them as read.
[15:33] <wolfger> when I get 1000+ I go to the big feeds like BoingBoing, Slashdot, and Ars Technica and just read the first page of headlines, read whatever catches my eye, then Mark All As Read
[15:33] <wolfger> and that will usually bring me to the 800-999 range
[15:33] <snap-l> yep
[15:33] <wolfger> and I resubbed Planet Ubuntu a while back, so that's killing my count too
[15:34] <wolfger> the important things are my webcomics.  I'd never have thought it. :-)
[15:48] <ColonelPanic001> I live less then a mile, probably, frmo Modern Exchange
[15:48] <ColonelPanic001> maybe a mile
[15:49] <wolfger> ColonelPanic001: evacuate while you can
[15:49] <ColonelPanic001> it must be nuked from orbit
[15:54] <snap-l> Creating a new ubuntu key on a 4GB USB stick
[15:55] <snap-l> have to say, this is pretty straightforward now. :)
[15:55] <brousch> key?
[15:56] <snap-l> usb stick
[15:56] <snap-l> sorry
[15:56] <snap-l> creating a new portable system
[15:56] <snap-l> my netbook is a little unusable at the moment
[15:57] <snap-l> I think the latest upgrades made things unstable
[15:57] <snap-l> Keep having gnome-settings-daemon lock up
[15:57] <snap-l> and once I kill it, all hell breaks loose
[15:57] <snap-l> I should set up a fund for getting a new laptop. ;)
[15:57] <Blazeix_> are you using the usb-creator-gtk program? That's pretty slick
[15:58] <snap-l> Not the new one. I'm using the old one in 10.04
[15:58] <snap-l> Actually, it's the same thing. ;)
[15:58] <snap-l> YEah, I really like it
[16:00] <rick_h__> yay, time to open a 1.3gb file in vim
[16:01] <snap-l> I'm sure it'll be flawless.
[16:05] <rick_h__> heh, well there went one cpu core for a while
[16:06] <Blazeix_> you should use a proper editor. Like excel.
[16:08] <snap-l> What happened to mp3 support out of the box on the live CD?
[16:08] <snap-l> tried playing some mp3 files, and it didn't work.
[16:09] <snap-l> (over a DAAP share, mind you, but still...)
[16:14] <snap-l> ANd neither of the Google Chrome / GOogle Chromium launchers appear to work properly.
[16:15] <rick_h__> it hates you
[16:15] <rick_h__> you made it angry by 'user testing' against it
[16:15] <snap-l> Apparently
[16:16] <snap-l> I'd expect chrome to not work 100%, but Chromium? I thought there might be a little more love. ;)
[16:16] <Blazeix_> if username == "snap-l": False, True = True, False
[16:17] <brousch> snap-l: chrome was really slow for me in unity
[16:18] <rick_h__> vim.tiny replace up to 16min now
[16:18] <brousch> like 2 minutes to start slow
[16:18] <rick_h__> guess I do need a faster machine
[16:18] <snap-l> Blazeix_: More than likely
[16:18] <snap-l> brousch: I think it's the memory
[16:19] <brousch> but it ran chrome fine before
[16:19] <brousch> and 2GB should be enough for anyone
[16:21] <snap-l> Nice, and Banshee doesn't play any music from the U1 music store. :
[16:21] <snap-l> spoke too soon
[16:22] <snap-l> Needed a restart of Banshee to make it work
[16:24] <snap-l> problem is it doesn't support flac out of the box.
[16:26] <snap-l> wtf is wrong with DAAP and flac?
[16:30] <snap-l> Rhythmbox handles it fine. I think it's a MIME Mismatch
[16:51] <rick_h__>  4370 77.1 78.9 6350900 6307836 pts/3 R+   11:00  39:21 vim.tiny
[16:52] <rick_h__> :)
[16:54] <jrwren> why is only powerpc available ehre? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[16:55] <wolfger> I love it. Full Circle Magazine has an article on ebook reader software for Linux, and at the end it says "Next month: How to obtain ebooks legitimately for your ebook reader."
[16:55] <rick_h__> jrwren: the other builds failed?
[16:55] <wolfger> So we've all got a whole month to pirate ebooks for our new toys before we get told how to jump through hoops to do it the legal way. :-)
[16:56] <jrwren> well that stinks :)
[17:01] <snap-l> wolfger: Nope, we're all reading O'Reilly books and Baen
[17:01] <snap-l> Military sci-fi and the tools to make it happen
[17:01] <snap-l> what could be more fun than that?
[17:26] <wolfger> well... nothing ebook related, that's for sure
[17:31] <wolfger> Charlie Sheen trademark blitz: 'Besides "Duh, Winning," Sheen has also registered such gems as "Vatican Assassin,” “Tiger Blood,” “Rock Star From Mars,” and “I’m Not Bi-Polar, I’m Bi-Winning,” [and 17 others] reports Entertainment Weekly.'
[17:34] <snap-l> When your schtick is bein Charlie Sheen, I guess that's just good thinking
[17:37] <wolfger> yeah, I really can't argue with it
[17:44] <wolfger> Though I think maybe I should have patented the business model
[17:44] <snap-l> too much prior art
[17:45] <wolfger> since when does the patent office actually care about that?
[18:04] <snap-l> http://www.meijer.com/s/big-steals/_/N-5io?CAWELAID=677385714&cmpid=dswed
[18:04] <snap-l> Check out the price on this chair initially.
[18:06] <snap-l> Y'know, I wish more people would use Lulu instead of scribd for their PDF files
[18:06] <snap-l> At least on lulu, free / download immediately means just that
[18:14] <wolfger> I should quit this job and make tacky furniture to sell at Meijer instead...
[18:14] <snap-l> No kidding
[18:14] <snap-l> Apparently it's a killing
[18:19] <wolfger> MS Outlook is absolute rubbish. Why can't we just use Gmail for our corporate mail?
[18:26] <jrwren> some corporations do use google apps for domains.
[18:26] <jrwren> that sucks too.
[18:26] <jrwren> google seems to give lower priority to those pay for clients than they do gmail, and the sharing model sucks, and the limitations suck.
[18:27] <jrwren> if your exchange server supports imap you can point gmail to it and use gmail instead of outlook
[18:29] <wolfger> You can use Gmail to retreive e-mail from another account?
[18:29] <wolfger> intriguing
[18:33] <jrwren> yes
[18:33] <jrwren> click settings.
[18:34] <jrwren> accounts and imports.
[18:34] <jrwren> oh, looks like it is pop3 only.
[18:34] <jrwren> but still.. many exchange servers are pop3 servers.
[18:35]  * greg-g waves from Wikimedia's offices
[18:36] <rick_h__> greg-g: woot!
[18:36] <rick_h__> we'll be having a drink in your honor/hope at CHC tonight
[18:36] <jrwren> hi greg-g
[18:36] <rick_h__> tell them you've got lots of experience as the bookie relations manager
[18:36] <jrwren> where are their offices?
[18:51] <greg-g> rick_h__: hah!
[18:52] <greg-g> jrwren: downtown SF, New Montgomery and Mission, kinda
[18:52] <brousch> go greg-g!
[18:59] <brousch> woohoo! i can tile like rick_h__ without the ugly window manager! http://onethingwell.org/post/4393060064/azulejo
[19:01] <wolfger> Bah! There's no Spiral of Doom there.
[19:01] <wolfger> :-)
[19:06] <jrwren> rick_h__: be glad your mysql isn't written like this: http://paste2.org/p/1348105
[19:06] <jrwren> and then called with a paramter based API and those out params.
[19:07] <rick_h__> really? whole SP just to md5 hash a password?
[19:07] <rick_h__> oh, they also check email exists, ugh
[19:20] <brousch> jrwren: have you used monodroid?
[19:21] <brousch> Oh come on. No Linux version? "Mono for Android can be used from either Visual Studio Professional 2010 for Windows users, or using MonoDevelop on the Mac and Windows"
[19:28] <snap-l> heh
[19:34] <snap-l> http://i.imgur.com/VgWvr.png
[19:42] <ColonelPanic001> snap-l: ++
[19:43] <ColonelPanic001> personally I was hoping for the world war result
[19:43] <ColonelPanic001> it could be called "The Gay War"
[19:44] <brousch> The Blueballs and the Gay
[19:45] <ColonelPanic001> hah
[19:45] <jrwren> brousch: i used an early beta.
[19:45] <jrwren> brousch: droid dev SUCKS because the google tools suck. monodroid only makes it a little bit better.
[19:46] <jrwren> no linux version because google doesn't make a linux version of the droid dev tools.
[19:47] <brousch> android sdk?
[19:48] <brousch> it is on linux
[19:48] <jrwren> oh?
[19:48] <jrwren> well hell if i know :)
[19:48] <_stink__> greg-g: good luck!
[19:48] <jrwren> linux devs don't pay for software.
[19:49] <jrwren> are you going to pay $400 for it?
[19:49] <brousch> sheat. no way
[19:50] <jrwren> and 99.99% of linux devs are going to say that and talk smack about it and talk smack about mono because of that $400. :)
[19:50] <snap-l> Depends on if it's something that I need that can't be replicated elsewhere.
[19:50] <snap-l> $400 between me getting where I need to go quickly vs cobbling my own environment is a bit tempting
[19:50] <snap-l> assuming that the environment doesn't impede my progress while getting me there.
[19:51] <brousch> i would consider it if i thought i could recoup it selling my app
[19:51] <brousch> but that's a big investment to make fart apps and hello world
[19:51] <brousch> esp when there's o many free ones out there
[19:52] <brousch> i am pro-mono, but this makes me want to mail then a flaming bag of turds
[19:52] <tjagoda> Come be a Blackberry dev! ;D
[19:53] <tjagoda> You only have to get a notary to prove your real
[19:53] <tjagoda> =|
[19:53] <brousch> can you dev on linux?
[19:53] <jrwren> that attitude disgusts me.
[19:54] <jrwren> someone wants to get paid for their hard work and you want to mail them a flaming bag of turds. you should be ashamed.
[19:54] <snap-l> Right... spread the wealth and send jrwren a blaming bag of turds
[19:55] <tjagoda> brousch: You can blackberry dev anywhere you can run netbeans
[19:55] <brousch> wondrful
[19:55] <tjagoda> and eclipse
[19:55] <tjagoda> There are bb dev plugins for eclipse
[19:56] <snap-l> tjagoda: Do you have to buy your own bag of bamboo splinters to put under your fingernails, or are they included in the tarball?
[19:56] <tjagoda> You don't use bamboo
[19:56] <tjagoda> You use the protective glass from thousands of defunct nokias
[19:57] <brousch> jrwren: i just think its crappy for something mono-based to no work on linux
[19:57] <jrwren> why?
[19:57] <jrwren> why do you think it is crappY?
[19:57] <rick_h__> come on, quit trolling jrwren
[19:57] <tjagoda> He just said why it was crappyu
[19:57] <jrwren> monotouch is the same way is is almost 2 yrs old.  monomac is the same.
[19:57] <tjagoda> =p
[19:57] <snap-l> I took a quick peek at BB development. I think unless you have LLC after your name, they don't take you  seriously.
[19:57] <rick_h__> clear it blows chunks when you give something a home, watch it grow up, and then leave the house
[19:58] <jrwren> Starcraft2 doesn't work on linux.
[19:58] <tjagoda> snap-l: Wouldn't you need that to legally sell apps anyway?
[19:58] <rick_h__> there we go, let's pull the completely unrelated comparison out of our ass, see we're in good form today
[19:58] <jrwren> i agree with the sentiment that more things don't work on linux. i wont single anyone out
[19:58] <brousch> the iphone stuff i can understand since you need a mac to dev for it anyways
[19:58] <snap-l> tjagoda: Sell apps? What kind of corporate bullshit are you trying to pull in here. :)
[19:59] <brousch> but android runs linux and mono comes from the linux world
[19:59] <tjagoda> Teehee
[19:59] <snap-l> Heck, I wish Stardock would port all of their stuff to Linux, since they used to be OS/2 friendly
[19:59] <jrwren> it is a bummer there isn't more of a market for the linux version. i agree.
[19:59] <tjagoda> Omg
[19:59] <tjagoda> Stardock on linux
[19:59] <tjagoda> I would abandon steam for all possible things
[19:59] <rick_h__> yay! when gnome doesn't slow things down enough
[19:59] <snap-l> I mean the games, not the curtains shit
[19:59] <brousch> snap-l: my sister works at stardock. they laughed at me for requesting linux versions
[20:00] <tjagoda> I hear they barely make money right now
[20:00] <tjagoda> so just laugh back at them
[20:00] <snap-l> I'll go to their offices with check in hand for Linux versions
[20:00] <brousch> they said "linux? ha, we want to make money!"
[20:00] <snap-l> I'm not afraid to pay for what I want
[20:00] <tjagoda> snap-l is our pimp sugar daddy
[20:01] <snap-l> Well, I think it's a circular argument
[20:01] <brousch> jrwren: isn't one of the big selling points of mono that if you develop your progam right it will run on windows, osx, and linux?
[20:01] <snap-l> "There's no money in Linux" "Linux Users won't pay for anything"
[20:02] <snap-l> So let me give you money.
[20:02] <snap-l> "There's no market"
[20:02] <snap-l> So create a market
[20:02] <snap-l> "There's no money in Linux" "Linux Users won't pay for anything"
[20:02] <tjagoda> This reminds me of the $400 mono kit
[20:02] <tjagoda> =P
[20:04] <snap-l> Linux users are very good at making do
[20:04] <snap-l> so if all you add is a toolchain, then don't expect Linux users to get excited
[20:04] <snap-l> but if you really add value, Linux users will also pay money
[20:04] <tjagoda> I buy fluendo
[20:05] <snap-l> I bought Fluendo
[20:05] <snap-l> and then found something that was incompatible, and went back to bad / ugly
[20:06] <jrwren> brousch: no, that is not one of the big selling points of mono AFAIK :)
[20:06] <snap-l> When grey-area free works better than commercial, it's a really hard sell
[20:06] <snap-l> jrwren: enlighten us, please
[20:06] <jrwren> you guys are laughing, but its true. more products have failed in the linux market than have succeeded.
[20:07] <jrwren> snap-l: enlighten you about what?
[20:07] <snap-l> numbers, case studies, or it didn't happen
[20:07] <snap-l> The big selling points of mono
[20:07] <tjagoda> http://www.informationweek.com/news/personal-tech/tablets/229401046
[20:07] <brousch> i guess that was what made me try mono
[20:07] <brousch> i have no idea why anyone would want to use it otherwise
[20:08] <jrwren> selling point of mono is a beautiful language with C# on a great modern fast virtual machine in the mono runtime.
[20:08] <brousch> why not use MS's .NET?
[20:08] <jrwren> on widows, please do use MS .NET
[20:09] <snap-l> jrwren: SO, what marketplace failures have you seen with Linux?
[20:12] <jrwren> kylix i think it was called
[20:12] <jrwren> was delphi for linux
[20:12] <jrwren> complete with a vb like design surface
[20:12] <jrwren> and I htink the end result ran on linux adn windows.
[20:13] <snap-l> Considering Delphi wasn't a success under Windows, I don't see that as a problem intrinsic to Linux
[20:13] <jrwren> delphi still exists and is sold and supported on windows.
[20:13] <jrwren> depending on how you define success, it is a success.
[20:14] <greg-g> interview portion went ok, now they (the 4 who interviewed me) are pow-wow'ing in the conference room before we go out to lunch
[20:14] <snap-l> greg-g: Awesmome. :)
[20:14] <snap-l> jrwren: OK, we'll give you that one.
[20:15] <snap-l> jrwren: How about a success: The Humble Indie Bundle. :)
[20:15] <snap-l> jrwren: Now, another failure, please?
[20:16] <jrwren> are you seriously trying to tell me there is a market for linux software?
[20:16] <jrwren> *non server.
[20:16] <snap-l> jrwren: Yes, I am
[20:16] <jrwren> and explicitly development tools.
[20:16] <rick_h__> canonical seems to hope so, with app purches in the software center
[20:16] <jrwren> meego fail.
[20:16] <snap-l> jrwren: Oh, moving the goalposts are we?
[20:16] <rick_h__> pydev, aptana, wingide, all cost $$
[20:16] <snap-l> development marketplace is different
[20:16] <jrwren> i'm not moving anything. the discussion is aobut monodroid.
[20:16] <brousch> aptana is free d00d
[20:17] <jrwren> yeah.
[20:17] <rick_h__> brousch: didn't they have a pay version?
[20:17] <brousch> as is pydev (now owned by Aptana)
[20:17] <jrwren> IMO there is very little market
[20:17] <rick_h__> ah ok, well zend studio for php, window ide, pycharm for python
[20:17] <brousch> pydev used to have a free and paid versions, but they merged and are free
[20:17] <rick_h__> there's lots of editors that are pay on linux
[20:17] <rick_h__> in the dev space
[20:17] <snap-l> jrwren: Yeah, you're right on that account
[20:18] <snap-l> I think it gets back into the roll your own mentality of Linux users
[20:18] <rick_h__> it's not about the market. It's all about the community of mono grew up in the linux world and now is not part of this future product.
[20:19] <rick_h__> if you can't see that, try to hang out in communities more
[20:19] <snap-l> The last development environment I bought was Borland C++ and Delphi, and both of those were student versions
[20:19] <rick_h__> geeze
[20:19] <snap-l> rick_h__: Doesn't surprise me, though
[20:19] <rick_h__> doesn't make it any less 'rude'ish
[20:20] <snap-l> No, it is prickish
[20:20] <rick_h__> you can justify until the cows come home, brousch's reaction is still legit
[20:20] <rick_h__> and to hammer it with all these "you going to fork $400 over" is just trolling
[20:21] <snap-l> frankly, I think developer tools are too damn expensive anyway (now THERE's troll-bait)
[20:21] <snap-l> I looked through those Programmer Paradise catalogs thinking "you've got to be fucking kidding me"
[20:22] <snap-l> $1195 PER SEAT is just gouging
[20:22] <greg-g> whew
[20:22] <rick_h__> greg-g: still alive?
[20:22] <greg-g> yeah, they're still talking
[20:22] <jrwren> how is that different than a pay-for QT product?
[20:23] <snap-l> http://www.programmers.com/PPI_US/Product.aspx?sku=cgi%2032401a01
[20:23] <jrwren> or any pay-for product that uses glib or gtk or other open source?
[20:24] <snap-l> I get a little perturbed when I see a game that uses Python not available for Linux
[20:24] <jrwren> i totally adn completely don't understand how a reaction of " mail them a flaming
[20:24] <_stink__> greg-g: reminds me of after my dissertation defense, when i got kicked out and the committee stayed in there for like 25 minutes
[20:24] <snap-l> I see that as being lazy.
[20:24] <jrwren>  bag of turds." is ever "legit"
[20:24] <_stink__> i think they were just telling raunchy jokes
[20:24] <greg-g> haha, yeah, I hear laughing
[20:24] <_stink__> awesome :P
[20:24] <rick_h__> lol
[20:25] <snap-l> And if something uses Mono, I'd like to have a Linux version
[20:25] <snap-l> even if it's $400
[20:25] <snap-l> I expect the same of Java
[20:25] <jrwren> I'd like to have a little red corvette
[20:26] <snap-l> Write once, run anywhere should be just that
[20:26] <jrwren> Mono has NEVER been write once run anywhere.
[20:26] <snap-l> (within reason, mind you)
[20:26] <snap-l> jrwren: Then that's Mono's problem.
[20:26] <jrwren> java used to say that and it was always write once, debug everywhere
[20:26] <jrwren> or... its not a problem.
[20:27] <brousch> then i was misinformed
[20:27] <snap-l> me too. I guess there is no such thing as a silver bullet
[20:27] <snap-l> back to not caring about mono
[20:27] <brousch> use mono and gtk# and you can run your app anywhere
[20:27] <jrwren> brousch: go try that for a real world app :)
[20:27] <brousch> where anywhere is windows, osx, and linux, of course
[20:28] <jrwren> and solaris and aix and all the places mono runs?
[20:28] <brousch> i wrote 2 very small apps that way
[20:28] <jrwren> and playstation 3 and wii? because mono runs there.
[20:28] <brousch> then found python
[20:28] <snap-l> Y'know, if Linux users made something amazing that wouldn't run on Windows, we'd be called elitist pricks
[20:28] <jrwren> bullshit.
[20:29] <snap-l> but if Windows users make something amazing, and Linux users don't get any, it's called marketplace. ;)
[20:29] <jrwren> there is tons of sweet stuff that is or wsa linux only - its just that people port the sweet stuff to windows quickly
[20:29] <snap-l> It's because we like to share
[20:29] <jrwren> no, its called no one cares. apparently less interest or ability to move it to linux.
[20:29] <snap-l> yeah, marketplace.
[20:29] <snap-l> Whatever. ;)
[20:29] <jrwren> gnome-do is a great example... i've got nothing that great on windows... especially 4 yrs ago
[20:30] <jrwren> f-spot was better than anything on windows for years IMO.
[20:30] <snap-l> https://launchpad.net/~do-windows
[20:30] <jrwren> there is a windows port??? sweet!
[20:30] <snap-l> was, in 2008
[20:30] <jrwren> there wasn't 4 yrs ago.
[20:30] <jrwren> i haven't looked at gnome-do in about 4 yrs.
[20:31] <snap-l> https://launchpad.net/windo
[20:32] <snap-l> migueldeicaza: @brousch Ironically, it is mostly developed on Linux.    Plenty of applications provide debs and rpms, and then link to unofficial packages built for other distros
[21:00] <binbrain> theres not a ton of mono apps is there?
[21:01] <jrwren> the difference is that this is a commercial product with full support.
[21:07] <brousch> ug, this monitor totally freaks out running ubuntu without the nvidia drivers
[21:07] <brousch> hopefully i can install nvidia-96 manually
[21:42] <snap-l> Folks going door to door
[22:06] <slestak> jcastro: i have some info n a bug from the local jam
[22:06] <slestak> wrt gpodder in Natty
[22:07] <jcastro> oh rock
[22:07] <jcastro> what is it?
[22:08] <slestak> i worked with thomas perl in #gpodder and there is a known db migration bug in 2.11 (what installed from repo on natty) that is not present in 2.13 (current)
[22:08] <slestak> when I opened the database in sqlite manager, all my data was there in _save tables.  I just had to do some dropping and renaming and all is well
[22:08] <slestak> so I would recommend bump gpodder to 2.13 for Natty
[22:09] <jcastro> ok awesome
[22:09] <jcastro> is there a bug report for that?
[22:09] <slestak> sry, i dont have any bug numbers
[22:09] <slestak> there may be, i am covered over at work so I dont have that
[22:09] <jcastro> ok
[22:09] <jcastro> I'll sort it
[22:09] <jcastro> thanks!
[22:10] <jcastro> what's your launchpad id?
[22:10] <slestak> thp in #gpodder might have it handy
[22:10] <jcastro> I'll sub you to the bug so you can follow along
[22:10] <slestak><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:10] <slestak> it may be just the slestak989 part
[22:10] <slestak> i dont use lp too much (slowwww)
[22:10] <jcastro> k
[22:10] <slestak> the beta I installed has been solid for me.
[22:11] <slestak> i know you got a lot of negative feedback on the hidden menu
[22:11] <jcastro> heh
[22:11] <jcastro> it's all good
[22:11] <jcastro> I don't take it personally
[22:11] <slestak> I want to give a positive note to it, it keeps the interface clean
[22:11] <jcastro> even though rick_h__ and snap-l do
[22:11]  * jcastro runs
[22:11]  * snap-l gets the harpoons
[22:12] <snap-l>  /scorpion jcastro "GET OVER HERE"
[22:12] <slestak> as apps get ported to be unity compliant, we will know that there is a menu there.
[22:12] <slestak> (sp)
[22:13] <snap-l> And after upgrading gwibber to 3.0, I have fail.
[22:22] <snap-l> and gwibber is completely fucked.
[22:32] <snap-l> greg-g: Remember when you mentioned that gwibber didn't ship with certain services?
[22:32] <snap-l> You can install them separately.
[22:32] <snap-l> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/280/
[22:37] <greg-g> snap-l: huh, lame, they should at least be just one extra package for "all other services supported by gwibber"
[22:37] <greg-g> btw, hello from SFO
[22:37] <snap-l> Howdy from DTX
[22:38] <snap-l> Back on a plane?
[22:38] <greg-g> not yet, boards in like 30 minutes
[22:38] <jcastro> greg-g: in the gui it's just a set of checkboxes
[22:39] <greg-g> oh
[22:39] <greg-g> good
[22:39] <snap-l> Once again leaving the CLI users behind
[22:40] <snap-l> Canonical doesn't care about black-screened people.
[22:40] <jcastro> well, you wanted a list of packages
[22:41] <greg-g> :)
[22:53] <greg-g> brousch: I love your The Social Network vs Ghostbusters retweet
[22:53] <brousch> ok, how do i boot natty without X? to install the nvidia drivers i need to stop X and do it at the console, but i can't figure out how to do that
[22:59] <Blazeix_> can you boot into single user mode? Append 'single' to the end of the 'kernel' line in grub.
[23:00] <brousch> i'll try that
[23:01] <greg-g> yeah, grub is probably your best bet
[23:02] <brousch> in the old days it was hard to keep X up, now i can't get it to go down
[23:06] <Blazeix_> I think alt-sysrq-k will kill X once it's running, so you could try that too.
[23:20] <brousch> heh, the sysrq killed x, but it came right back
[23:33] <brousch> ah, got it
[23:34] <brousch> hold shift during boot to get grub menu, select recovery kernel, in recovery menu drop to root shell
[23:34] <brousch> ug
[23:35] <brousch> damnit, the nvidia installer says i should be in runlevel 3
[23:36] <brousch> ok, init 3 at the root prompt put me in runlevel 3