[05:04] <setite> i finally decided to just sneak it on my dads computer...
[05:04] <nuOpus> the hoary test cd's?
[05:05] <nuOpus> oh. LOL
[05:05] <setite> he wont use it much in the next two weeks so i might as well
[05:05] <joujou> how to play full screen in gxmame? anyone please?
[05:05] <nuOpus> setite: May be the best thing you have done for him! lol
[05:05] <WeedVender> I have another question then...
[05:05] <nicedreams> alt+enter
[05:05] <nuOpus> may be faster just using a torrent
[05:05] <nicedreams> joujou
[05:05] <setite> nah...
[05:05] <kebac> joujou
[05:05] <setite> torrents have been sucking on here lately
[05:05] <joujou> yup yup
[05:05] <nuOpus> on Windows?
[05:05] <WeedVender> apt-get install w32codecs gives me that it isn't available.
[05:05] <setite> yea
[05:05] <nuOpus> Which torrent client?
[05:05] <setite> its because this pc is slow
[05:05] <nuOpus> There is a reason ... that is why I am asking
[05:06] <nuOpus> oh
[05:06] <setite> on my other rig they worked fin
[05:06] <setite> well i used abc
[05:06] <vladster> and it had a whole 640 k of "core" memory
[05:06] <spikeb> i cant use BT effeciently because of my rounter
[05:06] <jivera> WeedVender: You need to add the marillat apt archive.
[05:06] <setite> and then i used the java one
[05:06] <setite> i forget the name
[05:06] <jivera> Azureus?
[05:06] <nomasteryoda> Azerus
[05:06] <setite> yea
[05:06] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:06] <nuOpus> usually on windows for the actual bittorrent it is because the upstream is too high
[05:06] <setite> and it started to suck too
[05:06] <setite> i messed with that too
[05:06] <setite> i gave up
[05:06] <spikeb> my router doesnt have any sort of advanced configuration, so i cant open up ports for bt
[05:06] <setite> when my other rig worked better with the same exact torrent and configuration
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> setite, all torrent sites are hammered now days
[05:07] <WeedVender> and how do I do that?
[05:07] <nuOpus> too bad they dont have gnome-bittorrent in the repos
[05:07] <setite> nomasteryoda.. yea that too
[05:07] <nicedreams> spikeb: you have a microsoft router or something?
[05:07] <nuOpus> had to build it from source
[05:07] <spikeb> nicedreams, almost - a 3com homeconnect from like 2000
[05:07] <setite> torrent was nice while it lasted
[05:07] <nicedreams> setite: while?
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> setite, yea
[05:07] <nicedreams> setite: i still use it
[05:07] <setite> well the not so legal side
[05:07] <spikeb> it'll still be fine for free uses.
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> i do to
[05:07] <nicedreams> setite: they have a new beta for the serverless or whatever it is one
[05:08] <setite> i like to get movies before i buy them
[05:08] <nicedreams> goto the software page on www.neowin.net
[05:08] <nicedreams> should be in the front list still
[05:08] <setite> i went to see HP3
[05:08] <regeya> from linux.org, on the Linux kernel: 'He began his work in 1991 when he released version 0.02 and worked steadily until 1994 when version 1.0 of the Linux Kernel was released.'
[05:08] <nuOpus> I thitorrent is no longer legal?
[05:08] <setite> then downloaded it on torrent
[05:08] <setite> then bought it when it was released
[05:08] <nuOpus> err .. torrent is no longer legal?
[05:08] <setite> it is legal
[05:08] <setite> just some torrents arent
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> nuOpus, yes it is
[05:08] <Agrajag> it's always been legal
[05:08] <nicedreams> nuOpus: how can torrent be illegal when i get legal linux stuff all the time
[05:08] <spikeb> torrent is legal - the mpaa is merely going after lots of torrent sites.
[05:08] <nuOpus> ok that is what I thought
[05:08] <nicedreams> like a VCR
[05:08] <setite> so the AA's are paying people to hammer the sites
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> piratebay
[05:08] <Agrajag> the sharing of copyrighted material using bittorrent is not, and neevr has been, legal
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> they are the best
[05:08] <nicedreams> the torrent sites are illegal though
[05:08] <nicedreams> now at least
[05:09] <setite> however there is a little legal leeway for the torrent sites
[05:09] <spikeb> torrents should work BETTER when they're busy - thats the point.
[05:09] <nuOpus> spikeb: They do
[05:09] <spikeb> the websites hosting the .torrent files however....
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> nicedreams, ask suprnova.org about that...they were shutdown
[05:09] <setite> because they dont post the stuff themselves
[05:09] <spikeb> suprnova hosted TONS of illegal stuff.
[05:09] <nuOpus> The do not work better when they are busy if you have it configured to use too much of your upstream
[05:09] <setite> yea i liked suprnova was cool
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> spikeb, but no they did not
[05:09] <spikeb> yes they did.
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> spikeb, only the links
[05:09] <setite> they survived a while since the torrents were user supported
[05:09] <setite> posted*
[05:10] <spikeb> ahh
[05:10] <nicedreams> a new version of bittorrent came out on dec 21, so it's still being workedon
[05:10] <spikeb> nomasteryoda, good luck getting that one past a US court
[05:10] <spikeb> heh
[05:10] <Agrajag> nomasteryoda: they enabled people to access illegal material
[05:10] <nuOpus> I use torrentsearch.us now
[05:10] <Agrajag> I don't see yhow you can think they're innocent
[05:10] <nicedreams> http://www.neowin.net/comments.php?id=26384&category=software
[05:10] <nomasteryoda> setite, lookat the legal crap emails posted on piratebay
[05:10] <spikeb> i just use direct torrent links from providers - eg distro venders
[05:10] <setite> bluffs?
[05:10] <setite> isnt piratebay in french or german
[05:10] <nomasteryoda> nu0pus, i use google
[05:10] <setite> i wish torrent has lasted longer though
[05:10] <nuOpus> Agrajag: Torrent is not illegal .... used for lots of legal reasons like distributing free linux ISOs
[05:11] <setite> its not cool
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> setite, yes, but you can read the title syou need
[05:11] <Agrajag> nuOpus: I never said it was
[05:11] <setite> yea i know... i used it once in a while
[05:11] <spikeb> nuOpus, more and more distro makers are starting to use it for that
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> ok, off topic?
[05:11] <Agrajag> I said that what suprnova.org was doing was illegal.
[05:11] <nuOpus> Agrajag: Sure some people use it to do illegal things ... BUT people use knives to do illegal things too
[05:11] <spikeb> nuOpus, for eg xandros and yellowdog
[05:11] <nicedreams> VCR's and CD-RW's would be illegal then if torrents and other programs were illegal
[05:11] <nuOpus> and we dont ban all knives
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> ubuntu too
[05:11] <Agrajag> nuOpus: Did you even READ what I said?
[05:11] <setite> nicedreams - they almost are
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:11] <nuOpus> Agrajag: Probably not
[05:11] <spikeb> saves tons of bandwidth, hence they can use it
[05:11] <setite> one of the latest laws would make them illegal
[05:11] <nicedreams> LOL
[05:11] <spikeb> i think it's very nice if not for my router that i really should upgrade
[05:11] <nuOpus> Agrajag: LOL probably not if you are acting like that
[05:12] <setite> it was a really loaded dangerous general law that could outlaw computers, vcrs, etc
[05:12] <nuOpus> ahhhhh
[05:12] <nicedreams> it won't happen
[05:12] <setite> i know
[05:12] <nicedreams> it can't happen
[05:12] <spikeb> it can happen
[05:12] <setite> it can..
[05:12] <spikeb> but it probably wont
[05:12] <nicedreams> that's like putting a ban on what kind of water you can drink
[05:12] <setite> it was attached to an education law oddly
[05:12] <nicedreams> it's rediculous so it won't happen
[05:12] <setite> its why nothing gets done
[05:12] <nomasteryoda> woww... Kompose is cool
[05:13] <spikeb> eh, if its ridiculous, we americans will probably do it
[05:13] <setite> all these crazy riders are added to good bills
[05:13] <nuOpus> So has anyone found any luck in the hoary test CD's? (just to get back on topic. lol)
[05:13] <setite> its because no one cares
[05:13] <nuOpus> I actually like it
[05:13] <setite> youve gotta watch congress
[05:13] <nicedreams> nuOpus: what are you talking about CDs for?  Use the hoary repositories?
[05:13] <nicedreams> no ?
[05:13] <spikeb> they have hoary test cds already?
[05:13] <spikeb> damn
[05:13] <nuOpus> I mean for a new installation
[05:13] <setite> whats a test cd
[05:13] <nicedreams> oh
[05:13] <spikeb> anyone know how usplash is coming along?
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> daily release
[05:13] <crimsun> spikeb: very slowly.
[05:13] <nuOpus> it is way a waste of time to install Warty FIRST then upgrade to hoary
[05:13] <spikeb> crimsun, uh oh
[05:13] <spikeb> crimsun, how come?
[05:14] <setite> damnit i gotta go to work in 4 hours
[05:14] <crimsun> spikeb: well, more developers would help...
[05:14] <spikeb> ahh
[05:14] <spikeb> crimsun, yeah that'll hurt any open project
[05:14] <nuOpus> I just re-installed my desktop machine with the Hoary CDs and it worked creat
[05:14] <nuOpus> great
[05:14] <nuOpus> get it ad cdimage.ubuntulinux.org
[05:14] <spikeb> nuOpus, better than dist-upgrading?
[05:14] <nuOpus> for a new install it is faster
[05:14] <nicedreams> spikeb: less time consuming probably
[05:14] <spikeb> crimsun, is it unlikely to be usable by hoary release?
[05:14] <nuOpus> but if you already have warty then just dist-upgrade
[05:15] <nicedreams> I don't think I could use anything but test realeases
[05:15] <nuOpus> usplash is supposed to make it into hoary eventually
[05:15] <nicedreams> usplash?  what's this
[05:15] <spikeb> i thought they didnt add things in after release
[05:15] <spikeb> nicedreams, userspace bootsplash
[05:15] <nuOpus> yes
[05:15] <nuOpus> instead of fbspash or a framebuffer splash that other video cards have issues with
[05:15] <nicedreams> is that the same thing as the splash that is in the kernel?
[05:15] <setite> 80%
[05:16] <spikeb> nicedreams, no. but same purpose - to show a splash screen
[05:16] <nuOpus> no that is a frame buffer splash
[05:16] <nuOpus> but same thing
[05:16] <spikeb> the basic idea (showing pretty pictures) is the same, the method of doing so isn't :)
[05:16] <nuOpus> some cards have problems with a frame buffer splash
[05:16] <nuOpus> it is kinda like what Fedora Core is using
[05:16] <spikeb> nuOpus, and so does the installer.
[05:17] <nicedreams> fedora makes me feel sick when i hear that name
[05:17] <spikeb> fedora uses rhgb - interesting, but a bit heavy.
[05:17] <nuOpus> ya
[05:17] <nuOpus> it actually runs X
[05:17] <spikeb> i love fedora - for being a tech proving ground
[05:17] <spikeb> wouldnt use it myself though
[05:17] <nicedreams> fedora is cool, but I like the more flexability in debian
[05:17] <nuOpus> but same concept being a program that loads after the kernel load to provide a graphic
[05:17] <nuOpus> instead of being done by the kernel
[05:17] <spikeb> yeah
[05:18] <setite> fedora has no ntfs reading by defauly
[05:18] <setite> poo
[05:18] <jivera> Google for it, you can find some rpms.
[05:18] <nuOpus> spikeb: Gentoo uses bootsplash ... I was thinking of getting the sources and seeing if I can make it work for ubuntu
[05:18] <spikeb> nuOpus, you can, easily
[05:18] <daniels> bootsplash and rhgb are both problematic
[05:19] <daniels> bootsplash, because it's in the kernel, and doesn't belong there
[05:19] <nuOpus> daniels: Better than nothing! lol
[05:19] <nuOpus> bootsplash doesnt have to be in the kernel
[05:19] <daniels> rhgb, because it uses X, and the current implementations (particularly libX11) are far too heavy, and make boot slower at the expense of a little bit shinier
[05:19] <nuOpus> fbsplash does
[05:19] <nicedreams> nuOpus: answer back my IM pls
[05:19] <spikeb> nuOpus, if you can just release some debs that make it all nice, go for it
[05:19] <setite> daniels... slower on a fast machine
[05:19] <daniels> nuOpus: last I saw, every bootsplsah implementation (with the 'bootsplash' name) relied on patching the kernel
[05:19] <setite> noticeably?
[05:19] <daniels> which is just not cool
[05:19] <daniels> setite: yes
[05:19] <nuOpus> daniels: install ubuntu
[05:20] <nuOpus> errr
[05:20] <nuOpus> daniels: Install Gentoo
[05:20] <spikeb> rhgb (esp newer versions) make it very slow
[05:20] <daniels> setite: especially if you're sleeping on a mode switch, which can be up to four or five seconds on some laptops
[05:20] <spikeb> nuOpus, gentoo's fbsplash patches
[05:20] <daniels> nuOpus: why?
[05:20] <setite> we talking half a second... 1 second...2... or like 5-10
[05:20] <spikeb> nuOpus, the patch is just applied by default
[05:20] <WeedVender> nuOpus, how in the world would I install the w32codecs?
[05:20] <nuOpus> it is an rcscript that loads bootsplash
[05:20] <spikeb> setite, 5-10+
[05:20] <setite> ouch
[05:20] <nuOpus> and works if no frame buffer is in the kernel
[05:20] <crimsun> WeedVender: follow the RestrictedFormats section on the wiki
[05:20] <setite> but linux starts so damn slow what does it matter
[05:20] <setite> hehe
[05:20] <daniels> nuOpus: interesting
[05:20] <crimsun> WeedVender: I could have sworn I told you this earlier.
[05:20] <nicedreams> WeedVender: apt-get install w32codecs ?
[05:20] <nuOpus> WeedVendor: Install to /usr/lib/win32
[05:20] <daniels> nuOpus: but, last I saw, this relied on their patches
[05:20] <WeedVender> didnt work
[05:20] <nuOpus> he wants the FULL pack of codecs
[05:21] <setite> woot!!! two minutes left on the download
[05:21] <nuOpus> not the half-ass full pack
[05:21] <nuOpus> lol
[05:21] <crimsun> WeedVender: what doesn't work?
[05:21] <WeedVender> I just want to play Top Gear
[05:21] <spikeb> setite, pretty fast
[05:21] <daniels> nuOpus: we are working on usplash, which will solve these problems
[05:21] <WeedVender> apt-get install W32codecs
[05:21] <setite> and this is a slow download
[05:21] <WeedVender> didn't work.
[05:21] <crimsun> WeedVender: ...what problem was that supposed to solve?
[05:21] <nicedreams> for some reason it installed the FULL codecs for me.  I beleive it did.  I haven't had codec problems like normal at least
[05:21] <setite> 40 mins
[05:21] <nuOpus> WeedVender: Its because the tar.gz will open into a subdirectory .. you have to move all of the files out of the subdir and just place them in /usr/lib/win32
[05:21] <daniels> setite: also, linux doesn't really start too slow -- you're looking at 30 seconds to a login screen on our laptops, which have slow disks
[05:21] <setite> thats twice as long as it took me to get the livecd and the 64bit installer
[05:22] <WeedVender> .. i c
[05:22] <setite> well on my other rig... fedora made me yearn for windows in regards to boot times
[05:22] <daniels> setite: (that's faster than XP, and a sight faster than Fedora and Gentoo)
[05:22] <nuOpus> daniels: Ya ... im sure that since it is just a binary being loaded through an rc script you can do something with it
[05:22] <setite> you on crack!
[05:22] <spikeb> gentoo takes like two seconds to load on my machine
[05:22] <spikeb> after the  year and a half install, that is
[05:22] <crimsun> 2 seconds?
[05:22] <setite> on my other rig... fresh install of XP and fresh install of fedora
[05:22] <nuOpus> LOL
[05:22] <crimsun> that's impressive even with -funroll-loops
[05:22] <nuOpus> Gentoo is the fastest distro I have seen
[05:22] <setite> maybe its a fedora problem
[05:22] <spikeb> if you can't tell, i have a habit of exaggerating :P
[05:23] <nuOpus> if you install and optimize it correctly with the right flags
[05:23] <setite> but i mean 2.5-3 mins for fedora
[05:23] <setite> well under a minute for windows
[05:23] <nuOpus> or 10 min for SuSE?
[05:23] <spikeb> setite, yeah about half of that is because of rhgb
[05:23] <crimsun> nuOpus: and if you jump up and down on one foot while smoking certain herbs and ...
[05:23] <WeedVender> 10 seconds for Windows Server 2003 :)
[05:23] <setite> whatever that means... its slower than shit thats all i know
[05:23] <setite> but i do believe you
[05:24] <jivera> nuOpus: How much a benefit do you figure you have in running gentoo highly optimized for your system over debian?  Do you think it's enough to make up for all the recompiling?
[05:24] <setite> fedora seemed to just be a whole mess
[05:24] <spikeb> yeah fedora is slow even after boot
[05:24] <spikeb> i dunno wtf is up with that
[05:24] <spikeb> jivera, no
[05:24] <spikeb> jivera, the ONLY thing that makes up for all that damn compiling (possibly) is the whole USE flags thing
[05:25] <setite> why does mandrake cost so much damn money for the 64bit
[05:25] <drspin> where does ubuntu look for keymaps?
[05:25] <setite> i mean suse is bad enough at 90bucks
[05:25] <jivera> Dunno, I'd rather spend a bit of extra disk space to install a few packages that I don't really need, than spend 6 months recompiling.
[05:25] <setite> but mandrake was like 160 us
[05:26] <setite> the longest part of the fedora install was figuring out what all those damn packages were
[05:26] <jivera> drspin: /usr/share/keymaps
[05:26] <WeedVender> ok, I can't extract to the /usr/lib/w32 because of some security settings?
[05:27] <spikeb> USE SUDO
[05:27] <crimsun> WeedVender: you need root privileges
[05:27] <daniels> nuOpus: the thing is, that binary could be echo 1 > /proc/bootsplash
[05:27] <daniels> nuOpus: which may not exist on our systems
[05:27] <daniels> nuOpus: if it requires a kernel patch, then it's no good
[05:28] <setite> ok burning ubuntu installer
[05:28] <drspin> keymaps??
[05:28] <setite> shit defragging is gonna take like 10 years
[05:28] <spikeb> yup
[05:28] <jivera> drspin: I told you.
[05:28] <drspin> jivera:
[05:28] <drspin> jivera: I see it now ;)
[05:29] <nuOpus> daniels: Will look into it ... but I downloaded a fresh kernel from linux.org ... configured and compiled a MINIMAL kernel just for what I need and good their bootsplash to work
[05:30] <nuOpus> daniels: That is why I know it has nothing to do with the kernel
[05:30] <setite> can windows kernels be optimized?
[05:30] <nicedreams> nope
[05:30] <nuOpus> setite: Not just a no ... but a hell no
[05:30] <setite> too bad
[05:30] <nuOpus> setite: Bill gates dont want you meddling in HIS business ... since if you read the license you dont REALLY own your copy of windows
[05:30] <setite> i would like to optimize it for better gaming
[05:31] <setite> try and remove any worthless processes
[05:31] <nuOpus> it is licensed to you to use not to own that is how making ANY modifications even for your own personal use is illegal
[05:31] <pantz_> is there an 'apt-get' way of updating firefox to version 1.0?
[05:31] <setite> well im not asking if its legal
[05:31] <vladster> what was the command to check the version of the kernel
[05:31] <nuOpus> that is why I wont buy any copy of windows ... I am paying $200 for the RIGHT to use the software
[05:32] <regeya> pantz_: either mix sources or look at ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net
[05:32] <setite> ok will legality aside... is it possible to modify the windows kernel
[05:32] <nuOpus> but no ... the only way to really optimize it is to get the source
[05:32] <nuOpus> and that will never be available legally
[05:32] <setite> ok... which is not out there?
[05:32] <nuOpus> at least in the forseeable future
[05:32] <spikeb> not for xp
[05:33] <nuOpus> you got it
[05:33] <setite> ok if anyone know a not so legal way... please PM me
[05:33] <nicedreams> using linux without recompiling the kernel seems stupid to me
[05:33] <nuOpus> The source for 2000 is leaked
[05:33] <nuOpus> err was leaked
[05:33] <nicedreams> use windows if your not going to tweak the kernel
[05:33] <regeya> erm.
[05:33] <nicedreams> that's what linux is anyways, a freakin kernel
[05:33] <setite> nicedreams... you and your damn opinions
[05:33] <nicedreams> lol
[05:33] <nicedreams> gotta love them
[05:33] <spikeb> lies, damn lies, and damner lies.
[05:33] <nicedreams> lies
[05:33] <setite> a kernel to me is popcorn
[05:33] <nicedreams> linux is a kernel
[05:33] <regeya> nicedreams: very nice; what about those of us who have no need to tweak at the moment?
[05:34] <nicedreams> it's not the OS
[05:34] <setite> is damner a word?
[05:34] <spikeb> no
[05:34] <blackitten> can someone helpme get shockwave plugin installed for mozilla firefox?
[05:34] <nuOpus> setite: 2000 source was leaked ... but im not sure where to get it anymore. MS probably worked hard to seal those channels
[05:34] <regeya> nicedreams: use linux on the days we feel like tweaking the kernel, and windows on the days when things are running just fine thank you?
[05:34] <setite> or those too scared to tweak like me
[05:34] <techn9ne> blackitten, there is no shockwave plugin for linux
[05:34] <setite> i killed my linux trying to install nvidia drivers
[05:34] <spikeb> heh
[05:34] <spikeb> brv
[05:34] <vladster> that fixed it
[05:34] <spikeb> brb
[05:34] <setite> you think im fit to modify a kernel?!
[05:34] <nicedreams> regeya: at the moment is fine, but how can you say linux is faster than windows or any other OS if you haven't taken advantage of the linux kernel
[05:34] <nuOpus> apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[05:34] <techn9ne> he said shockwave not flash
[05:35] <setite> the kernel is already faster
[05:35] <nuOpus> I dont use Linux cuz it is faster than Windows ... I use LInux because I hate Windows
[05:35] <nicedreams> let firefox install shockwave for you
[05:35] <setite> especially in my case with amd64
[05:35] <setite> since its optimized
[05:35] <regeya> nicedreams: enough with the vague condescending statements.  be specific.
[05:35] <vladster> that fixed it[05:35] <blackitten> sorry this is a newbie mom
[05:35] <nuOpus> and because I just like the control it gives me
[05:35] <nicedreams> true that
[05:35] <regeya> nicedreams: I cannot rebut that unless you tell me what you're talking about.
[05:35] <techn9ne> you can get flash but not shockwave
[05:35] <vladster> I owe someone a pepsi or a mountain dew
[05:35] <setite> i dont hate windows... i just dont see any reason to use it when i dont need it
[05:35] <nuOpus> shockwave works half-butt in crossover
[05:35] <nuOpus> but it works
[05:35] <nicedreams> regeya: rebut what, recompiling the kernel?
[05:35] <setite> vladster send a pepsi my way
[05:36] <blackitten> my kiddo wants to feed her neopets...:)
[05:36] <nicedreams> OMG
[05:36] <setite> omfg
[05:36] <setite> i remember those things
[05:36] <nicedreams> people still use neopets?
[05:36] <regeya> nicedreams: and for those of us who have better luck with this particular distribution than with windows without major tweakage?
[05:36] <setite> i used to love to starve them
[05:36] <nuOpus> OMFGWTHWYWTDTF!!!!!!!!
[05:36] <setite> hehe
[05:37] <setite> oh my god what the h*** would you want to do that for?
[05:37] <nicedreams> I just know that when I recompile my kernel, I see a HUGE performance increase
[05:37] <nuOpus> LOL
[05:37] <setite> am i right
[05:37] <nuOpus> setite: ya
[05:37] <setite> woo hoo
[05:37] <setite> had to think about that
[05:37] <regeya> nicedreams: exactly what do you do.
[05:37] <setite> nice
[05:37] <setite> just recompiling?
[05:37] <setite> or modifying?
[05:37] <nicedreams> regeya: take out all the garbage like appletalk support built into the kerel (what the hell do i need that for) and other junk and then put what I have in my system in the kernel.
[05:37] <regeya> nicedreams: are you building a monolithic kernel with exotic compiler options?  explain!
[05:38] <vladster> nomasteryoda, where do I enable the curent playing track again, I forgot
[05:38] <regeya> okay.
[05:38] <setite> yea inquiring minds want to know
[05:38] <jivera> nicedreams: You know, those aren't built into the kernel... usually they're just modules.
[05:38] <nuOpus> regaya: What is your favorite compiler options
[05:38] <nicedreams> regeya: OMG.  It's your basic modify and recompile of linux
[05:38] <drspin> I'm trying to play theguild -- it compiled fine but can't find keymap.default when it starts, any ideas?
[05:38] <nuOpus> I use -O 3 and omit-frame-pointer
[05:38] <regeya> nicedreams:  OMG.  what are you, 12?
[05:38] <setite> so you do modify thn
[05:38] <nicedreams> jivera: i don't like typing more than i have to, to explain something...most people know what i mean
[05:38] <nuOpus> setite: Yes I do
[05:38] <regeya> nicedreams: let's be adults here, and let's get down to brass tacks.
[05:39] <setite> nicedreams - you said , and i quote "I just know that when I recompile my kernel, I see a HUGE performance increase"
[05:39] <nicedreams> setite: of course I modify it, what's the point of not
[05:39] <nuOpus> setite: It is fun to learn how to do if you have the time
[05:39] <setite> implying no modifications
[05:39] <regeya> basic modification and recompiling of linux?
[05:39] <regeya> if the average linux user has to modify the code base to take advantage of it, game over, man, let's all use freebsd.
[05:39] <nuOpus> regeya: Ya .... I was just stating that if you have never done it before it is fun to learn
[05:39] <setite> see there is a stark difference between that statement and the reality of what you do
[05:39] <jivera> nicedreams: Exactly what features are you implying are built into the normal ubuntu/debian kernels that you recompile your kernel to leave out?
[05:39] <vladster> now to grab skype
[05:40] <nuOpus> jivera: Good example os to leave out ipv6 since it slows some DNS requests
[05:40] <nicedreams> do you people use linux just so you don't have to buy windows or do you use linux to explore the vastness of it
[05:40] <regeya> jivera, nicedreams: I'm still wondering that.    I'm using a hand rolled kernel myself, but I've got ipv6 as a module.
[05:41] <nicedreams> regeya: I'm a huge gamer and performance is all I care about
[05:41] <jivera> Er, by default meaning on ubuntu and debian.
[05:41] <nuOpus> vladster: You mean it is running slow ... or takes a few seconds when you type in a web site right?
[05:41] <nuOpus> jivera: yes
[05:41] <nicedreams> regeya: if you play games enough, then you'd be a performance junky too
[05:41] <vladster> yep
[05:41] <regeya> and I question the sanity of anyone who takes a desktop-oriented linux distribution and does massive tweakage
[05:41] <kebac> nicedreams: if you are a huge gamer, then you probably use windows...
[05:41] <nicedreams> and when i recompile my kernel, my FPS go way up
[05:41] <nuOpus> vladster: It is because of ipv6. Either disable it ... or go to firefox and type about:config
[05:42] <setite> nice - the latter
[05:42] <regeya> nicedreams: if I were a gamer, I'd be running Windows.
[05:42] <bkuebler> I found something odd to increase browser speed.
[05:42] <nicedreams> opengl works in linux just fine
[05:42] <nuOpus> vladster: Then find network.dns.disableIPv6 and set it to true
[05:42] <setite> and that damn blue screen is annoying
[05:42] <nomasteryoda> bkuebler, what
[05:42] <regeya> that's nice; where's the games?
[05:42] <nuOpus> then also turn on network.http.pipelining
[05:42] <swoon> jesus the debian channel people are just horrible
[05:42] <bkuebler> nomasteryoda, seriously... try this...
[05:42] <nomasteryoda> ok
[05:43] <nuOpus> and change the network.http.pipelining.maxrequests to like 10 if you have broadband
[05:43] <regeya> nicedreams: if you don't have anything better to do than patronize someone who's probably been using linux twice as long as you, I'll just put you on /ignore.
[05:43] <crimsun> ...or you could use an ISP that handles ipv6 queries. Or you could drop --proto 41
[05:43] <bkuebler> edit your resolv.conf to only have 1 line in it that points to your isp's dns server.
[05:43] <nuOpus> vladster: You got that?
[05:43] <setite> monolithic?
[05:43] <vladster> I like that
[05:43] <nuOpus> Your browsing should be faster
[05:43] <nicedreams> america's army, quake2/3, UT2002/2003/2004, and others
[05:43] <nuOpus> crimsun: I did that
[05:43] <nicedreams> doom3
[05:43] <setite> i game with windows
[05:43] <setite> have no choice
[05:43] <setite> hehe everyone got all quite
[05:43] <setite> did i make yall mad
[05:43] <setite> oh.. lag
[05:43] <nuOpus> crimsun: if you type ifconfig you still get an ipv6 addy
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> so where does the network.http.pipelining go
[05:44] <crimsun> nuOpus: ...so?
[05:44] <setite> iD killed domm3 linux project
[05:44] <vladster> That made a diff
[05:44] <bkuebler> When I stopped using my routers dns passthrough, it made a noticable difference.
[05:44] <vladster> tanks
[05:44] <nuOpus> nomasteryoda: You type about:config in the address bar
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> ok
[05:44] <nicedreams> setite: that sucks, been trying to figure how to make it work
[05:44] <nicedreams> quake3 halls ass compared to windows on my win partition
[05:44] <setite> how old is quake3
[05:44] <nuOpus> crimson: web browsing for one thing is a little slower because firefox and other browsers will use ipv6 by default for resolution then fallback to ipv4
[05:44] <nicedreams> a few years
[05:45] <nicedreams> but the mods are still tight
[05:45] <nuOpus> that is why some people complain about linux web browsing being too slow
[05:45] <setite> all i hear when it come sot linux games is quake quake quake
[05:45] <bkuebler> there are a few decent firefox tweak threads on mozillazine.
[05:45] <nicedreams> it's not quake that people like, it's the engine and the many mods that people make off the engine
[05:45] <nicedreams> i don't play quake3
[05:45] <nicedreams> i play the mods
[05:45] <jivera> quake3's been out long enough that id should have GPL'd it.
[05:45] <nuOpus> if you have them disable ipv6 or disable ipv6 dns resolv in firefox then people that have complained of slow browsing are happy
[05:45] <nicedreams> jivera: lol
[05:45] <nicedreams> they gpl'd quake 2
[05:45] <nicedreams> the engine at least
[05:45] <nuOpus> vladster: It was a big diff huh?
[05:45] <kebac> nicedreams: yeah, and they should gpl quake3 too
[05:46] <jivera> Yes, they gpl'd q1 and q2 after 5 years; q3 is 5 years old now too.
[05:46] <nicedreams> quake4 should be out really soon
[05:46] <Seabook> How do I install/configure a wireless network card? =/
[05:46] <jivera> q3 should be gpl'd.
[05:46] <crimsun> nuOpus: funny, since fe80:: is link-local and never traverses the 'net
[05:46] <jivera> But I suppose they might be using proprietary physics libraries or something that would prevent them from it.
[05:46] <nuOpus> crimsun: it works
[05:46] <crimsun> nuOpus: I know
[05:46] <nicedreams> jivera: i hope not, i've heard alot of good things as far as linux support with quake4
[05:47] <nicedreams> ID is trying to bring games to linux
[05:47] <nicedreams> which i'm all up for
[05:47] <vladster> Now I need to plug in the rest of K3B so I can do DVDs
[05:47] <crimsun> but removing ipv6 is a rather unwieldly form of "optimisation"
[05:47] <nuOpus> crimsun: Have had LOTS of people complain and about to ditch linux because browsing is too slow they say. I have them disable ipv6 and they are happy again
[05:47] <regeya> I still haven't heard what you're doing to your kernel that makes gaming massively better on your machine, nicedreams.
[05:47] <nuOpus> crimsun: im not talking about optimization of the os
[05:47] <setite> wtf
[05:47] <setite> i gotta run chkdsk before i format
[05:47] <nuOpus> crimsun: I am talking of speeding up networking for people using internet connections that do not support any form of ipv6
[05:47] <setite> i mean defrag
[05:47] <vladster> I only do it to the browser, games are left untiouched
[05:47] <setite> grrrr
[05:48] <setite> im not gonna get this installed tonight at this rate
[05:48] <regeya> 'unless you modify your kernel with a hex editor you can't be a linux gamer'
[05:48] <nicedreams> regeya: I don't know exactly which things in the kernel give me the boost.    I guess taking out is what does it, or the building of certian hardware in the kernel
[05:48] <crimsun> nuOpus: the only thing that implies is that v6 routing is not configured correctly for them
[05:49] <nicedreams> regeya: nevermind, you obviously haven't tried gaming in linux.  I even try to play battlefield in cedegra's winex
[05:49] <regeya> nicedreams: that's nice; could you be specific as I asked you, or are you still blowing smoke?
[05:49] <nuOpus> crimsun: Yes .... and disabling ipv6 is the easiest fix
[05:49] <regeya> nicedreams: what seems obvious to you is, unfortunately, wrong.
[05:49] <regeya> nicedreams: nice try, though.
[05:49] <techn9ne> man phpbb sucks
[05:49] <techn9ne> someone needs to fork it and fix it
[05:49] <nicedreams> so what's the point of modifying the linux kernel then
[05:49] <nicedreams> why do they even let you do it then
[05:49] <nuOpus> crimsun: he just asked how to speed up web browsing because he is new ... he probably cares not for v6 routing or standards.
[05:50] <nuOpus> so having people just disable v6 is best.
[05:50] <regeya> nicedreams: I'm asking you to describe what process you go through.  I'd like it if you'd describe, in detail, what you do and why you do it.
[05:50] <nomasteryoda> so is there an easy way to script these changes into firefox?
[05:50] <nicedreams> omg, i just told you i don't know specifics.  I don't change one thing, then recompile just to see what happend
[05:50] <regeya> nicedreams: instead, you choose to be insulting.    I'm interested and instead you decide to insult me.
[05:51] <nomasteryoda> yes, please
[05:51] <nuOpus> nomasteryoda: well .... not a good idea for the distro to disable the ipv6 since lots of people can make use of it
[05:51] <nicedreams> regeya: Nope...i use windows 95a...it's better than xp
[05:51] <nicedreams> fucking moron
[05:51] <jivera> nicedreams: Did you ever try one of the 686/k7/etc optimized kernels instead of the default 386 ones?
[05:51] <drspin> could someone help me with an *easy* keymap issue?
[05:51] <nuOpus> drspin: Ask the question
[05:51] <nicedreams> i use the 686 ubuntu kernel when I screw my kernel up
[05:52] <nomasteryoda> nuOpus, no i mean for some situations where i would want to do a mass install of firefox and setup thse settings for speed
[05:52] <regeya> nicedreams: not sharing your information goes against the spirit of Free Software.
[05:52] <nuOpus> oh
[05:52] <nomasteryoda> np
[05:52] <nuOpus> nomasteryoda: I havent looked into that man ... sorry I couldnt help
[05:52] <nicedreams> okay then, let me waste an hour of my time to try to see what i modified just to make you happy
[05:52] <nomasteryoda> thanks for that tip thou
[05:52] <nuOpus> maybe someone else in here has an answer for you?
[05:52] <drspin> I did and got ignored once before ;) but here goes :: I'm trying to run theguild but when I do it crashes. the logfile says that it can't find the keymap.default file... ???
[05:52] <nuOpus> did it help you?
[05:52] <nomasteryoda> will help people want to move over
[05:52] <nomasteryoda> yes
[05:52] <nuOpus> nomasteryoda: did you do all 3?
[05:53] <nomasteryoda> yup
[05:53] <crimsun> nomasteryoda: you could customize a prefs.js and ship it with your modified package of 'mozilla-firefox'
[05:53] <nuOpus> nomasteryoda: disable ipv6, pipelining and max-pipeline ... ok
[05:53] <jivera> drspin: What makes you think it's looking for a system wide file rather than a 'theguild' specific file?
[05:53] <nuOpus> just dont change the max pipelining to 100
[05:53] <nuOpus> LOL
[05:53] <nuOpus> I have seen some people suggest changing it to 100 ... not necessary unless you have a REALLY fast connection
[05:53] <nicedreams> anyways, I use linux to understand it.  I tear this bitch apart to figure how how it ticks then I make it do things it doesn't want to do to see what happens
[05:53] <nomasteryoda> crimsun, sure ... that would work
[05:54] <regeya> nicedreams: really, it'll take that long?  I'm surprised, because back when I first ran Q3A on a Linux box, I just installed it and it worked so well that I didn't do a darn thing otherwise.  I had no idea I was using such a flawed system.  Why not write it up as a HOWTO on ubuntuforums?  it'd be interesting.
[05:54] <vladster> nomasteryoda, are there additional repositories that I can add to fill the gaps that I am trying to fill
[05:54] <regeya> I eagerly await your HOWTO~
[05:54] <nuOpus> crimsun: didnt know that .... thanks for the tip
[05:54] <crimsun> nomasteryoda: or we could modify the existing ubuntu 'mozilla-firefox' package to use diversions to that your specific (system-wide) prefs.js could be chosen
[05:54] <drspin> jivera: the make install script for this game sucks ;)
[05:54] <crimsun> so that^
[05:54] <jivera> drspin: That's not really something anyone here can help you with, unfortunately.
[05:54] <nuOpus> nomasteryoda: All you should have to do is get the firefox debs, unpack them ... change that file then re-pack it
[05:54] <jivera> You're better off looking for #theguild or wherever the developers hang out.
[05:55] <nicedreams> regeya: i just said i don't play quake3, and i use the mods which puts more usage on the quake engine...     Why so defensive?  Why do you hate the spirit of Free Software so much?  :-(
[05:56] <nicedreams> regeya: if you don't see any reason to mod the kernel, then so be it.  It's my opionion that I get more performance, so I think i do, then let me do it
[05:56] <nuOpus> chat with you all later!
[05:56] <vladster> who has fully plugged K3B with all the plugins?
[05:56] <nicedreams> regeya: for one, what are you talking about.  Insulting and this thing you are putting in my mouth about trashing free software?
[05:57] <zenwhen> What could cause a drive that has DMA enabled to read this slow?
[05:57] <zenwhen>  Timing buffered disk reads:   20 MB in  3.02 seconds =   6.63 MB/sec
[05:57] <zenwhen> thats insane
[05:57] <nicedreams> zenwhen: is that from hdparm?
[05:57] <regeya> nicedreams: could you at least tell me if you build a monolithic kernel?
[05:57] <jivera> zenwhen: Do you have multisector reading enabled?
[05:57] <zenwhen> yes
[05:57] <zenwhen> no
[05:57] <zenwhen> Actually I am not sure.
[05:57] <regeya> nicedreams: I'm starting to doubt your sincerity!  Are you one of these 'trolls' I've heard so much about?
[05:58] <jivera> zenwhen: do 'sudo hdparm -m /dev/hda' and check what it says.
[05:58] <nicedreams> regeya: Go ahead and doubt me.  I'm noob and poser and whatever you want to call me
[05:58] <zenwhen> multcount    =  0 (off)
[05:58] <regeya> nicedreams: if you'd like a definition of 'monolithic' I can supply it.
[05:58] <nicedreams> i don't care to get in a fight in a damn chat room
[05:58] <zenwhen> How to I turn it on?
[05:58] <regeya> oh dear.
[05:58] <nicedreams> why don't you write a book for me
[05:58] <jivera> zenwhen: Do 'sudo hdparm -I /dev/hda' and look for a line like "R/W multiple sector transfer: Max = N Current = 0"
[05:59] <regeya> nicedreams: do you know what a 'monolithic kernel' is?
[05:59] <nicedreams> it mean you don't use drivers/modules
[05:59] <nicedreams> it's all built in
[05:59] <regeya> THANK YOU!
[05:59] <regeya> a straightforward answer!
[05:59] <regeya> PRAISE ALLAH!
[05:59] <regeya> nicedreams: is that what you use?  you seem to have a dislike of modules.
[05:59] <zenwhen> jivera, I dont see any such line.
[06:00] <jivera> zenwhen: It should be in the Capabilities section.
[06:00] <zenwhen>    R/W multiple sector transfer: Max = 16  Current = ?
[06:00] <jivera> Okay, so do 'sudo hdparm -m 16 /dev/hda'.
[06:01] <regeya> nicedreams: on second thought, nevermind.  It took this long to get one halfway-decent answer, and you seem determined to not share your knowledge of how to properly set up a kernel for gaming.  I mark you as an enemy of all that is Good and Free.  Hasta.
[06:01] <nicedreams> regeya: I already stated, I like to tear this beat apart and learn how it work
[06:01] <nicedreams> and do what i can to make it do what i want
[06:01] <nicedreams> regardless
[06:01] <nicedreams> same with windows, it's boring now
[06:01] <zenwhen>  Timing buffered disk reads:   20 MB in  3.12 seconds =   6.40 MB/sec
[06:01] <zenwhen> Oh well
[06:01] <zenwhen> Thanks anyway.
[06:01] <zenwhen> Maybe its dying.
[06:02] <kebac> you also told us that you just remove all unneeded things from the kernel and wow, my FPS got tremendously better!
[06:02] <nicedreams> and i don't know what I do to the kernel exactly because I'm not kernel expert and after hours of screwing around it works for me and I can't pin point exactly what did it
[06:02] <nicedreams> then i try again
[06:02] <nicedreams> and again
[06:02] <nicedreams> and again
[06:02] <nuOpus> okay geez .... wife had to do "laundry" first! lol
[06:02] <nicedreams> with different options and stuff even if I know it's a bad thing, I try to see what happens
[06:02] <nuOpus> anyhoo are we still arguing of the same thing?
[06:03] <nicedreams> dunno
[06:03] <nicedreams> i can't write a novel of what i did for reg, so he thinks i'm a noob
[06:03] <nicedreams> which i could care less
[06:03] <nicedreams> you can think i'm a green alien for all i care
[06:04] <nuOpus> I think both points were made .... for lots of people .. re-compiling the kernel is an un-needed step, and for others it is necessary for learning the system and can really provide lots of options when it comes to cusomization and optimization
[06:04] <setite> you look purplish to me]
[06:04] <nuOpus> so ... can we move on?
[06:04] <jivera> nicedreams: He doesn't think you're a noob because of that, he thinks you're a noob because you're claiming a huge FPS improvement by randomly reconfiguring your kernel.
[06:04] <nicedreams> sounds good
[06:04] <setite> nice - are you guys still talking abotu your kernel modding
[06:04] <nicedreams> It did for Urban Terror, that's all i know
[06:04] <nuOpus> setite: I guess!  Guiness ... NY Red
[06:06] <setite> perhaps... mickeys is the higher class
[06:06] <drspin> I mean color ;)
[06:06] <techn9ne> what games run on linux?
[06:06] <drspin> setite: that's a matter of opinion...
[06:06] <nuOpus> I also love the ambers
[06:06] <setite> mickeys is the better color too
[06:06] <nuOpus> but not this drop top crap!
[06:06] <techn9ne> i didnt know there was any non-gpl games for it
[06:07] <setite> and my opinion rules all
[06:07] <setite> mwuhahaha
[06:07] <setite> haha
[06:07] <nicedreams> quake/Ureal/america's army... those are the big ones
[06:07] <nuOpus> And I know Budweizer and Miller are the gatoraid of beers
[06:07] <setite> ha ha
[06:07] <nicedreams> SNES and MAME
[06:07] <techn9ne> i dont play games
[06:07] <nicedreams> and other emulators
[06:07] <nuOpus> XBOX LIVE
[06:07] <drspin> my brother in law works for Budweiser ;)
[06:07] <nicedreams> MAME runs very well in linu
[06:07] <setite> xbox live banned me for life
[06:07] <nicedreams> lol
[06:07] <nicedreams> cought your mod?
[06:07] <setite> well they caught every mode
[06:07] <techn9ne> they cant ban you for life
[06:07] <u> can u tell me why i can't add any more repositories besides my cd rom drive?
[06:07] <setite> they can scan hdds
[06:07] <techn9ne> they ban your xbox
[06:08] <nuOpus> setite: that is why I didnt try to put linux on mine ... fear that I may forget to turn off the mod
[06:08] <nuOpus> u: what do you mean:
[06:08] <setite> i didnt put linux on either
[06:08] <nuOpus> you can do it in synaptic
[06:08] <vladster> I guess I am going to be rolling tarballs the rest of the night to get the plugins for K3b
[06:08] <setite> evox... and the mod had a switch
[06:08] <setite> they got mad i had halo2
[06:08] <nuOpus> u: you can do it in synaptic or by editing the /etc/apt/sources.list file
[06:08] <setite> but i got mad that they delayed it
[06:08] <nuOpus> setite: yep I thought about it
[06:08] <nicedreams> u: do a base-config
[06:08] <setite> i had already bought it
[06:08] <setite> their mistake was banning me before it was released
[06:09] <setite> so i just got a re\fund
[06:09] <nicedreams> u: I think there is apt-config also
[06:09] <nuOpus> setite: I am addicted to Halo 2 and Mech Assault 2
[06:09] <nuOpus> online of course
[06:09] <techn9ne> its micrsooft... what did you expect?
[06:09] <nicedreams> Half Life 2 for me
[06:09] <Crane> hello again
[06:09] <techn9ne> pay you on the back and say good job... you want a job?
[06:09] <nuOpus> hello Crane
[06:09] <Crane> :)
[06:09] <setite> i must say halo2 was immensely disappointing
[06:09] <setite> it is akin to cs source
[06:09] <spikeb> i dont think it was
[06:10] <nuOpus> I dont play it for single player
[06:10] <spikeb> then again
[06:10] <setite> but cs source wasnt hyped to be a sequel
[06:10] <Crane> setite: really??
[06:10] <spikeb> i only ever play multiplayer
[06:10] <nuOpus> purely xbox live multiplayer
[06:10] <Crane> I heard it was great
[06:10] <nicedreams> i'm not a cs fan anyways
[06:10] <spikeb> it is great multiplayer
[06:10] <nuOpus> spikeb: And .... the original halo never had online play
[06:10] <u> well i tried to enable the "archive" sites for universe and all like the site said, then restarted synaptic, but then it said error and couldn't find it or something
[06:10] <nuOpus> u: You just need to click reload
[06:10] <nuOpus> u: reloading will go the the repositories you added and download the new headers.
[06:11] <u> ok
[06:11] <spikeb> nuOpus, yeah although it was good for lanpartying
[06:11] <nuOpus> u: let me know if that solves your problem
[06:11] <Crane> <----- no XBox
[06:11] <u> but how come it says error when i restarted?
[06:11] <u> yea it worked
[06:11] <nuOpus> u: goo
[06:11] <nuOpus> u: what error are you getting?
[06:11] <Crane> I want one
[06:11] <Crane> to put linux on
[06:11] <Crane> lol
[06:11] <nicedreams> anyone in the phoenix, arizona area?  www.lancamp.com is having it's 3rd annual 300person lan party on the 15th.
[06:11] <drspin> nice: I live in Mesa, AZ
[06:12] <nicedreams> check it out then
[06:12] <nicedreams> get fragged
[06:12] <nicedreams> lol
[06:12] <nuOpus> Crane: XBOX Live is awesome ... so many more advantages than PC gaming ... I guess that is why console gaming is a lot more popular than pc gaming now a days
[06:12] <nicedreams> it's in a warehouse on university and the 10
[06:12] <drspin> nicedreams: I'm not worthy ;)
[06:12] <vladster> is there a repository that I can add to get the rest of the k3b stuff for DVD's
 something about not being able to find it
[06:12] <nuOpus> drspin: I live in Mesa, AZ too
[06:12] <u> but i don't see those errors now
[06:12] <drspin> nuO
[06:13] <nomasteryoda> vladster, yes
[06:13] <Crane> nuOpus: I have been wanting to get one just always spend the money else where
[06:13] <Crane> :/
[06:13] <drspin> nuOpus: Arizona Ubuntu users group ;) LOL
[06:13] <drspin> j/k
[06:13] <nicedreams> drspin: there is one?
[06:13] <nicedreams> oh
[06:13] <nicedreams> lol
[06:13] <nuOpus> drspin: YA!
[06:13] <u> i think that smb is already installed when i installed linux though
[06:13] <drspin> I'd be down to start one...
[06:13] <nomasteryoda> vladster,  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto/view?searchterm=sources.list
[06:14] <drspin> my problem -- I have no money for dues ;)
[06:14] <nuOpus> Crane: Ya .... some companies are even producing xbox version first and releasing on PC later because the consoles are getting way popular
[06:14] <nicedreams> we gonna try to get Phoenix linux users group in our building
[06:14] <nomasteryoda> vladster, also add multiverse
[06:14] <drspin> nicedreams: that'll be a convenient group to have visit the building ;)
[06:14] <nuOpus> drspin: Do you attend PLUG?
[06:14] <nicedreams> nuOpus and I have an office in the BofA building on almaschool and southern
[06:15] <drspin> nuOpus: no I just moved to this area a couple months ago - I've never been a part of any UG :/
[06:15] <drspin>  LOL
[06:15] <nuOpus> drspin: We should go sometime
[06:15] <nuOpus> drspin: always fun
[06:15] <drspin> I live at mesa DR and Southern
[06:15] <drspin> LOL
[06:15] <nuOpus> drspin: well ... not always. LOL
[06:15] <nicedreams> i live on ray/dobson
[06:15] <nuOpus> Ellsworth/southern
[06:15] <Crane> there is a lug for Alabama but not much going on with it yet
[06:16] <drspin> I'm game to check out a UG - do they have a website?
[06:16] <nuOpus> Crane: why dont you help move it along?
[06:16] <u> nuOpus: so how do i configure smb after it's installed?
[06:16] <nuOpus> Crane: Have a friend in Colorado that is working to get the one over there going
[06:16] <nuOpus> u: Well there are a few ways. Do you want just to set up a simple share?
[06:16] <nicedreams> drspin: goto the plug meeting with us on the 13th
[06:17] <drspin> nicedreams: ok
[06:17] <Crane> nuOpus: I have been trying with some posting but, I work out of town alot so I can't really schedule meeting and such
[06:17] <drspin> PLUG: http://plug.phoenix.az.us/
[06:17] <nuOpus> u: You can use SWAT, install WebMin and configure that way ... or if you are using Hoary there is a GUI configuration tool for shares
[06:17] <Crane> besides I'm a n00b
[06:17] <Crane> lol
[06:17] <drspin> nicedreams: what is it that you and nuOpus do?
[06:17] <nuOpus> Crane: getting n00bs together with experienced people is the best way to start a LUG
[06:17] <nicedreams> http://www.solstissolutions.com
[06:17] <nicedreams> pres and vice pres
[06:17] <Crane> yea thats trun
[06:18] <Crane> true
[06:18] <drspin> nicedreams: you guys hiring?? ;)
[06:18] <nicedreams> sure
[06:18] <u> well i went to the general network preferences and tried to "enable windows networking", but then it said i had to configure smb
[06:18] <nicedreams> we do contracts for now
[06:18] <nuOpus> drspin: I also teach a 10 week Unix/Linux course at Collins College in Tempe
[06:19] <nuOpus> drspin: Okay here is an easy way to get it going
[06:19] <drspin> nicedreams: heh - I think we'll need to have a meeting ;)
[06:19] <nuOpus> errr u:
[06:19] <nicedreams> we just started our corp, but trying to get it expanded
[06:19] <Crane> I have a question, I am about to finish reading a linux+ book and was wondering what would be another good linux book to read?
[06:19] <nuOpus> u: go to synaptic and install webmin-samba
[06:19] <nicedreams> it takes awhile...i wish it didn't
[06:20] <nuOpus> then go to a web browser and go to http://localhost:10000
[06:20] <nicedreams> u:  use https:// if http:// doesn't work
[06:20] <nuOpus> its debian. https:
[06:20] <nuOpus> sorry
[06:20] <nuOpus> it will install ssl libraries if not there already
[06:20] <drspin> nicedreams: yes - that first couple months/years for any small business is rough - especially IT-based business
[06:21] <nuOpus> Crane: The school uses the Linux Administration Handbook
[06:21] <drspin> nicedreams: or that has been my experience with the small businesses that I have worked for
[06:21] <nuOpus> I dont think it is terrably good though
[06:21] <nuOpus> have not researched other books. Sorry I couldnt be more help Crane
[06:21] <u> https for what?
[06:21] <nicedreams> drspin: we do training also, basic linux and windows classes and advanced linux classes
[06:21] <nuOpus> have you installed webmin-samba yet?
[06:21] <nicedreams> besides nuOpus teaching at collins
[06:21] <crimsun> Crane: there are so many...
[06:21] <drspin> Crane: I have a book called "Running Linux" it's older but I still use it for reference from time to time
[06:22] <nuOpus> drspin: Old books still work
[06:22] <nicedreams> google.com is the only book you need for linux
[06:22] <nicedreams> :p
[06:22] <u> yea
[06:22] <Crane> cool thanks
[06:22] <Agrajag> the system administrator's guide from tldp.org is a good read
[06:22] <nuOpus> u: now open up a web browser and type https://localhost:10000
[06:22] <drspin> I prefer the book of asking stupid questions in #linux ;)
[06:22] <drspin> LOL
[06:22] <drspin> j/k
[06:22] <nuOpus> tell me if that works
[06:23] <Crane> nicedreams: yea but when your in a hotel with no internet google os hard to read
[06:23] <Crane> :)
[06:23] <nicedreams> very true
[06:23] <nicedreams> brb
[06:23] <drspin> every hotel has internet...
[06:23] <nuOpus> ARGH!!!! I have to get going
[06:23] <drspin> you just don't have an account access number where you'll be... or do you?
[06:24] <Crane> not all of them
[06:24] <drspin> nuOpus: C U -
[06:24] <Crane> :(
[06:24] <u> nuOpus: what do i enter in for user name and pswd?
[06:24] <nuOpus> drspin: well gotta run .. if you wanna stop by we are at the big blue bank of america building on the 7th floor
[06:24] <nuOpus> ttyl
[06:24] <Crane> well I guess I could sign up for dial up
[06:24] <nuOpus> u: root and the root password!
[06:24] <nuOpus> ack ubuntu disables root
[06:24] <drspin> 7th floor - perhaps I'll stop bye after work sometime this week
[06:24] <Crane> cya nuOpus
[06:24] <nuOpus> u: Go to a terminal and type sudo passwd root
[06:24] <nuOpus> then type in YOUR password
[06:25] <nuOpus> then give it a new password for the administrator
[06:25] <nuOpus> that is the root password
[06:25] <nuOpus> user is root and password is that new admin password
[06:25] <sobralense> anyone knows where comes the "acx_pci" module? I'm afraid about upgrading to linux-k7 and dont come the acx_pci driver...
[06:25] <drspin> nuOpus: see ya later ;)
[06:25] <nuOpus> just make sure that after you are done configuring webmin you type sudo passwd -l root to lock the root account again for security
[06:25] <crimsun> sobralense: it's in every linux-image*
[06:26] <nuOpus> u: sorry I cant stay longer to help though .... these guys should be of assistance though!
[06:27] <sobralense> crimsun, =)  thx
[06:28] <crimsun> sobralense: np
[06:28] <u> so my new root username is "root" and the pswd that I created is the new password for what i enter into the https thing?
[06:29] <u> can someone help please?
[06:30] <crimsun> u: for...webmin?
[06:30] <u> yea
[06:31] <crimsun> u: yes, whatever password you set above is root's.
[06:31] <u> i entered it in and it still said incorrect thouhg
[06:31] <crimsun> u: and make sure you follow nuOpus's advice regarding changing it afterward.
[06:32] <u> which part?
[06:32] <crimsun> u: sudo -s; passwd root; (change the root password); then do what you need to regarding webmin
[06:32] <crimsun> u: < nuOpus> just make sure that after you are done configuring webmin you type sudo passwd -l root to lock the root account again for security
[06:33] <u> so sudo passwd root unlocks it?
[06:33] <crimsun> u: no, that sets the root passwd
[06:34] <u> so how do i unlock the root name?
[06:35] <drspin> u: if you create a password for root, it will be unlocked ;)
[06:36] <lynrob> how do setup printer
[06:41] <u> ok
[06:41] <u> what's the diff btwn root and admin?
[06:41] <u> is root like a limited user?
[06:41] <Agrajag> what?
[06:41] <Agrajag> what's admin?
[06:41] <crimsun> u: root is the superuser.
[06:42] <Agrajag> root is not limited in any way
[06:42] <GoneBoB> u: there is no 'admin' as such
[06:42] <u> oh
[06:42] <u> ok
[06:42] <GoneBoB> windows 'administrator'
[06:42] <GoneBoB> is vaguely analgous to unix 'root'
[06:42] <u> i couldn't log in still
[06:44] <u2> so why can't i log in now?
[06:45] <u2> with "root" as username and the new pswd?
[06:45] <lynrob> how do i pee what had was loaded in my start script
[06:45] <jivera> lynrob: ... huh?
[06:46] <lynrob> how do i see what was loaded in my start up script
[06:46] <jivera> Oh.
[06:46] <Crane> lol
[06:47] <jivera> Start up script for what?  And what do you mean loaded?  Kernel modules?
[06:47] <u3> it still says invalid
[06:47] <jivera> u{,2,3}: do you need so many nicks?
[06:47] <lynrob> i need to know if my usb is working
[06:48] <jivera> lynrob: run 'lsmod' and look for ohci, uhci, or ehci.
[06:48] <u3> i don't know why i kept getting kicked off the channel
[06:48] <u3> and that's the fastest way to get "reindentified" ahah
[06:48] <jivera> You're not getting kicked out; the originals are still in here.
[06:48] <lynrob> thanx
[06:49] <u3> it said connection reset by peer
[06:49] <u3> what does that mean?
[06:49] <jivera> It means you've got a crappy network connection.
[06:50] <u3> man i got cable
[06:51] <jivera> Yeah, and you got two dropped connections in 15 minutes.
[06:51] <u3> so why does it keep rejecting my logons?
[06:53] <lynrob> my printer will not print any help would be appreciated
[06:54] <drspin> lynrob: is it a USB printer?
[06:54] <lynrob> yes
[06:55] <drspin> lynrob: make sure your printer is on and plugged in
[06:55] <drspin> lynrob: sudo /etc/init.d/hotplug restart
[06:55] <u> so how can i log on?
[06:56] <lynrob> it is on and the usb is plugged in to the hub
[06:56] <drspin> lynrob: ok now open up your terminal and type "sudo /etc/init.d/hotplug restart"
[06:57] <drspin> lynrob: then type "dmesg|tail" and paste the results in #flood
[06:57] <nyxtreme> does anyone know hwo to mount a floppy drive?
[06:58] <drspin> nyxtreme: type mout/mnt/floppy
[06:58] <nyxtreme> thanks
[06:58] <drspin> nyxtreme: type mount /mnt/floppy
[06:58] <u> can someone tell me how to logon to the webmin thing?
[06:58] <drspin> nyxtreme: or better yet, mount /mnt/fd0
[06:58] <nyxtreme> drspin: it says mount: can't find /mnt/floppy in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[06:58] <drspin> nyxtreme: see my last statement
[06:59] <nyxtreme> drspin: I just tried that too
[06:59] <drspin> and?
[06:59] <drspin> nyxtreme: and?
[07:00] <nyxtreme> same error messagfe
[07:00] <lynrob> i was disconnected before getting the syntax for restarting my usb
[07:00] <drspin> lynrob: sudo /etc/init.d/hotplug restart
[07:01] <nyxtreme> drspin: what else should I try?
[07:02] <drspin> nyxtreme: open a terminal and type "cat /etc/fstab" and paste the results in #flood
[07:02] <nyxtreme> okay
[07:03] <u> so can u tell me why now?
[07:03] <stub> nyxtreme: sudo mount -t msdos /dev/fd/0 /mnt (can't test here - no fd)
[07:04] <nyxtreme> do I just type sudo mount -t msdos /dev/fd/0 /mnt into terminal?
[07:04] <drspin> nyxtreme: "sudo /dev/fd0" will mount the disk you can access it at /media/floppy0
[07:04] <lynrob> i keep getting no such command
[07:05] <nyxtreme> drspin: it says no such command
[07:06] <drspin> lynrob: type "modprobe pci_hotplug"
[07:06] <drspin> nyxtreme: sorry "sudo mount /dev/fd0"
[07:07] <Seabook> Has anybody successfully installed and configured a Belkin F5D7000 wireless network card under Ubuntu?
[07:07] <nyxtreme> drspin: it says 'mount: special device /dev/fd0 does not exist'
[07:07] <lynrob> operation not permitted
[07:07] <drspin> nyxtreme: bummer
[07:08] <drspin> lynrob: "sudo modprobe pci_hotplug"
[07:08] <subi> hoka
[07:09] <subi> hola
[07:09] <drspin> nyxtreme: try "sudo mount /media/floppy0"
[07:10] <lynrob> i sent a testpage: pending printer stopped
[07:13] <drspin> lynrob: go to Computer -> System Configuration -> Printing
[07:13] <drspin> lynrob: and then you want to restart the printer - I'm not sure how to do that... but I would assume it's 0pretty easy to figure out
[07:14] <drspin> lynrob: if you are asking for help - something "peding printer stopped" would've helped me help you a long time ago...
[07:15] <drspin> lynrob: just be more specific than "it's broke" when asking for help -- something like "when I try to print, I get an error message saying it's stopped"
[07:15] <drspin> lynrob: food for thought
[07:15] <nyxtreme> drspin: mount: special device /dev/fd0 does not exist
[07:15] <lynrob> yes i am asking for help how do i restart the printing service
[07:16] <drspin> lynrob: in firefox, go to http://localhost:631
[07:16] <lynrob> Paused: rastertolxx74.c:1867: Could not open /etc/cups/lpoptions: No such file or directory.
[07:16] <drspin> brb
[07:19] <bob2> stuNNed: pong?
[07:20] <lynrob> how do i start my cups deamon
[07:27] <method55> I am having an issue with this... when in opera and firefox the page renders as i want it, but in IE the content is pushed to the right more. http://www.cardboard-box.org/dropbox/TEST2/
[07:28] <method55> i did my best to make sure i declaired the margines and padding correctly
[07:28] <method55> but there is something i am missing. any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks!
[07:28] <drspin> method55: what version of IE are you testing in?
[07:28] <method55> 6
[07:28] <method55> sorry i ment to post this in #css
[07:29] <method55> wasnt paying attention
[07:29] <method55> =)
[07:29] <drspin> method55: I was going to send you there ;)
[07:29] <method55> i have too much going on, my head is spinning :) thanks tho
[07:29] <drspin> method55: np
[07:36] <fragment> Anyone knowledgable about hpijs?
[07:44] <Seabook> How do I find the MAC address of my network cards I forgot. >_<
[07:46] <xed> hi, I'm back.
[07:47] <xed> Does anyone know of any issues ubuntu has had with the Toshiba Satellite A70 (2.8GHz version) laptop?
[07:48] <xed> Why is it so quiet in here?
[07:49] <rockie> sorry no
[07:49] <jmob> xed: don't know off hand
[07:50] <jmob> xed: google is your friend, I'd look for general linux issues, not just ubuntu
[07:50] <xed> jmob: I checked google. No answer.
[07:50] <jmob> xed: mostly, you're going to have trouble with proper driver support
[07:50] <xed> I came in here earlier trying to get help with my issue..
[07:50] <xed> jmob: I just can't seem to get it installed.
[07:50] <jmob> xed: so look up the inividual hardware in that laptop
[07:50] <jmob> xed: any reason why?
[07:50] <xed> its not the hardware issue
[07:50] <xed> The splash screen comes up.
[07:50] <xed> I press enter.
[07:51] <xed> It shows all this stuff ..loading ..ready.. whatever.. then my screen.. just goes black
[07:51] <xed> Maybe Ubuntu doesn't support widescreen?
[07:51] <jmob> xed: maybe look at the advanced options, turn off framebuffer
[07:52] <jmob> xed: if you're screen goes black most obvious culprit would be frame buffer
[07:54] <xed> =(
[07:59] <xed> jmob: Live CD works though. =\
[08:00] <jmob> xed: did you try disabling frame buffer?
[08:01] <xed> Well I don't see how that affect it if Ubuntu LIVE CD works, but the installation doesn't work.
[08:01] <jmob> xed: what's the harm in trying?
[08:01] <xed> Because I don't know how to disable frame buffer in advanced?
[08:02] <xed> I don't even know how the advanced feature looks/works like.
[08:02] <jmob> xed: there might be something different between the live cd and the install cd
[08:03] <xed> Alright then let me give it a shot =(
[08:03] <jmob> xed: add ``vga=normal'' to the boot parameters
[08:03] <xed> sorry, what did you say jmob?
[08:03] <jmob> xed: add ``vga=normal'' to the boot parameters
[08:03] <jmob> xed: that'll disable frame buffer
[08:04] <xed> Oh
[08:04] <xed> so like.. I type in "linux vga=normal"
[08:04] <xed> ?
[08:04] <jmob> something like that
[08:04] <xed> But wait- what do i type in if I have a widescreen laptop, still the same thing?
[08:04] <jmob> same thing
[08:04] <xed> Alllrighty then
[08:04] <xed> brb
[08:08] <Seabook> I have an Athlon XP, should I be using the Linux images for 386 or AMD K7?
[08:09] <crimsun> k7
[08:09] <Agrajag> any of the three (386, 686, or k7) will work
[08:09] <Agrajag> but k7 would be best suited
[08:10] <drspin> anyone know a good way to use my webcam?
[08:10] <GoneBoB> get naked
[08:10] <GoneBoB> post pics on internet
[08:10] <GoneBoB> make profit
[08:11] <drspin> heh - well sort of - it's for my girlfriend who is overseas... she's a little mad that I "waited till she left the country
[08:11] <crimsun> you appear to have missed the "directly to jail and do not pass GO" part
[08:11] <drspin> " to switch to linux
[08:12] <jmob> drspin: so you want to get it working in linux?
[08:12] <drspin> jmob - yes
[08:12] <drspin> it works... I think... I just don't know how to use it...
[08:12] <jmob> drspin: gnomemeeting is one way
[08:12] <drspin> it is recognized by hotplug
[08:12] <Seabook> I see several linux kernel image packages for K7. I know I don't need the SMP ones, but there remain a few. What should I choose? I'm totally confused. o_0
[08:13] <jmob> Seabook: what ``serveral'' do you see?
[08:13] <jmob> Seabook: there should only be one for each kernel version
[08:13] <jmob> drspin: sudo apt-get install gnomemeeting
[08:14] <drspin> jmob: it's already isntalled :) and the cam works!
[08:15] <jmob> drspin: you can use netmeeting in windows to connect with your gf (assuming she has a windows computer where ever she is)
[08:15] <Seabook> jmob: linux-image-2.6-k7, linux-image-k7, and linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-k7... o_0
[08:16] <jmob> Seabook: try first two are probably some kind of base packages, you want the one with a full version number in it
[08:16] <jmob> Seabook: the first has only a partial version number, the second doesn't have a version number
[08:16] <jmob> Seabook: so... you always want the package that looks like the last one
[08:17] <crimsun> to clarify, the first two are metapackages
[08:17] <crimsun> you are safe installing any of the three
[08:18] <Seabook> jmob: ya, just figured out that the third one depends on the first one and the first one depends on the second one.
[08:18] <Seabook> meh
[08:18] <jmob> crimsun: so.. linux-image-2.6-k7 drags in whatever is the current kernel?
[08:18] <crimsun> jmob: yep. It's updated periodically.
[08:20] <Seabook> haha, I feel evil
[08:20] <Seabook> Can I uninstall initscripts? ;)
[08:20] <jmob> Seabook: yes
[08:20] <jmob> Seabook: why?
[08:21] <unperson> So, if you have a directory DIR, DIR/FOLDER is a subdirectory.  What is the term for DIR/FOLDER/OTHERFOLDER?  In other words, what's the term for all directories that are under DIR?  Is it also subdirectory, or does that only refer to the first tier?
[08:21] <Seabook> jmob: it's a good way to mess up my Linux installation, eh?
[08:21] <crimsun> unperson: "subdirectories"
[08:21] <jmob> Seabook: depends on what you remove
[08:21] <drspin> does skype support webcam?
[08:22] <drspin> jmob: she has a windows computer - what do I tell her to do, I never messed with netmeeting
[08:22] <jmob> drspin: I dunno, I've never tried it
[08:22] <drspin> jmob :D heh guess we're both in the same boat
[08:22] <jmob> drspin: http://www.gnomemeeting.org/
[08:22] <xed_ubuntu> Hey jmob.. I'm on ubuntu live...
[08:22] <GoneBoB> drspin: you want gnomemetting
[08:22] <xed_ubuntu> I tried what you said with the 'vga=normal'
[08:22] <xed_ubuntu> It did nothing. =(
[08:22] <drspin> GoneBoB: is there a windows port?
[08:23] <xed_ubuntu> My screen still went blank.
[08:23] <unperson> crimsun, Ok.  Just sort of realized I didn't know for sure.  :-)
[08:23] <GoneBoB> drspin: not afaik
[08:23] <crimsun> drspin: I don't think Skype does.
[08:23] <GoneBoB> it interoperates with netmeeting
[08:23] <GoneBoB> skype is only VoIP
[08:23] <thug_chief> hi
[08:23] <drspin> oh ok
[08:23] <drspin> so gnomemeeting it is
[08:24] <xed_ubuntu> jmob, you there?
[08:24] <jmob> xed_ubuntu: yeah
[08:25] <jmob> xed_ubuntu: how far does the install disc get?
[08:25] <xed_ubuntu> Well, I get to the splashscreen where I just type in 'linux' enter, but then you told me to try 'linux vga=normal' and then press enter.. and then all this stuff comes up...
[08:25] <xed_ubuntu> It loads something or the other...some text and whatnot..
[08:25] <xed_ubuntu> and then it just goes blank
[08:26] <xed_ubuntu> I know, its not very descriptive
[08:26] <jmob> xed_ubuntu: use the live cd to install ubuntu then
[08:26] <xed_ubuntu> But ... I don't really know whatelse to say.. it goes pretty fast.
[08:26] <xed_ubuntu> How do I go about doing that?
[08:27] <xed_ubuntu> Plus, I seem to have an issue..
[08:27] <xed_ubuntu> Seems my touchpad doesn't work.
[08:27] <xed_ubuntu> Only my USB ball mouse is working =(
[08:27] <xed_ubuntu> I'm pretty sure THIS is definitely a common issue..
[08:27] <jmob> xed_ubuntu: linux on laptops is pita
[08:27] <xed_ubuntu> What does that mean?
[08:28] <GoneBoB> pain in the arse
[08:28] <xed_ubuntu> Oh...
[08:28] <xed_ubuntu> Well, I do want it on my laptop.. mainly because my desktop sucks a lot..
[08:28] <xed_ubuntu> ..and the fact I like how smooth ubuntu seems to run, even on live cd..
[08:28] <jmob> xed_ubuntu: usually something doesn't work, and usually you have to devote some time to figuring out how to fix it, and usually it involves some linux/gnu savvy
[08:29] <xed_ubuntu> Well, how would I go about figuring this out.
[08:29] <xed_ubuntu> ...?
[08:29] <jmob> xed_ubuntu: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallFromKnoppixHowto
[08:30] <jmob> xed_ubuntu: you can try that, it should work the same for a ubuntu, or gnoppix live cd
[08:30] <crimsun> xed_ubuntu: is psmouse loaded?
[08:30] <xed_ubuntu> what do you mean crimsun?
[08:31] <jmob> crimsun: run ``lsmod'' on a console, see if ``psmouse'' show up in the list
[08:31] <xed_ubuntu> (I'm very new to linux, sorry if I'm not giving the right responses)
[08:31] <xed_ubuntu> jmob: me or him?
[08:31] <jmob> xed_ubuntu: sorry, you
[08:31] <jmob> s/crimsun/xed_ubuntu/ ;)
[08:32] <xed_ubuntu> Again, I'm new.. trying to ditch windows and go linux.. so.. this stuff is like going over myhead, but I'm trying.
[08:33] <jmob> xed_ubuntu: lsmod tells what kernel modules are loaded, such as the module that'd add the functionality to the kernel that'd allow it to use your touchpad.
[08:33] <xed_ubuntu> jmob: no psmouse in list.
[08:33] <crimsun> xed_ubuntu: sudo modprobe psmouse
[08:33] <jmob> xed_ubuntu: try ``sudo modprobe psmouse''
[08:34] <jmob> crimsun: would X have to be restarted?
[08:34] <crimsun> more than likely
[08:35] <xed_ubuntu> FATAL: Module psmouse not found.
[08:36] <xed_ubuntu> jmob, it says "FATAL: Module psmouse not found."
[08:36] <crimsun> xed_ubuntu: warty (NOT the live cd, correct)?
[08:37] <xed_ubuntu> Not sure what warty means, but yes, I am on the live CD
[08:37] <crimsun> ok, I can't speak for the live cd, but it appears you must actually install Warty to get that functionality.
[08:38] <xed_ubuntu> Warty?
[08:38] <xed_ubuntu> ...err..
[08:38] <crimsun> quite a few notes on the wiki state you need the 'psmouse' kernel module loaded to use the touchpad.
[08:38] <crimsun> warty is the stable release codename.
[08:38] <xed_ubuntu> crimsun, well.. you see, I actually got this from a friend who ordered it and got it in the mail ... approximatley a week or so ago...
[08:39] <crimsun> you're on cable modem, so it's an easy download.
[08:39] <neighborlee> anyone else having problems with wine?...I've installed a game but its not finding the CD to be able to play..?..and I'm not finding a config file in my .wine DIR either ? ;-)
[08:39] <xed_ubuntu> how did--- not going to ask.. you people are too damn leet for me.
[08:40] <crimsun> xed_ubuntu: what type of processor does that computer have?
[08:40] <xed_ubuntu> Intel Pentium 4 2.8GHz with HT.
[08:40] <xed_ubuntu> I can disable the HT if required.
[08:40] <crimsun> xed_ubuntu: http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu-releases/warty/warty-release-install-i386.iso.torrent
[08:41] <xed_ubuntu> crimsun, how will that load.. on.. Ubuntu Live CD?
[08:41] <jmob> neighborlee: wine is too painful to be worthwhile
[08:41] <crimsun> xed_ubuntu: no, you would download that
[08:41] <neighborlee> jmob, haha well essentially I dont disagree but..;-)lol
[08:41] <crimsun> xed_ubuntu: burn that .iso image to a cd-r
[08:41] <crimsun> xed_ubuntu: then boot from the cd-r and install warty
[08:41] <jmob> xed_ubuntu: you know how to use .torrents right?
[08:42] <crimsun> xed_ubuntu: presuming, of course, you have at least 2 GB free HD space
[08:42] <jmob> crimsun: 2gb of unpartioned space?
[08:42] <crimsun> xed_ubuntu: that midwest US mirror should be fastest for you, since you're in Canada
[08:42] <crimsun> jmob: yes.
[08:43] <jmob> I find that unlikely in his situation
[08:43] <xed_ubuntu> I have the Install CD crimsun...
[08:43] <xed_ubuntu> ._.
[08:43] <drspin> netmeeting comes with windows XP but it's hiding!!!
[08:43] <drspin> I found it though ;) she is please!
[08:43] <drspin> pleased!
[08:43] <xed_ubuntu> My friend got 10 live CD's..and 10 install CD's.. he gave me 5 of each.
[08:43] <crimsun> xed_ubuntu: ...any reason you're using the live cd instead of the install cd?
[08:43] <drspin> ...impressed even!
[08:43] <jmob> crimsun: because the install cd doesn't work
[08:43] <xed_ubuntu> crimsun, thats why I originally came in here *sigh*
[08:44] <jmob> crimsun: the screen goes black at some point
[08:44] <crimsun> jmob: oh, that issue.
[08:44] <xed_ubuntu> The install cd, loads up and whatnot. I get to the splash screen, press enter.. -- and what jmob just said...
[08:44] <xed_ubuntu> crimsun, so can you help me?
[08:44] <crimsun> gimme a sec
[08:44] <xed_ubuntu> Thanks a lot for the help, appreciate it..
[08:44] <xed_ubuntu> While you try to do that, I'll try to see how to get my video and sound working.
[08:47] <xed_ubuntu> crimsun, are you still there?
[08:47] <jmob> http://alnk.org/crappyrhino
[08:47] <Seabook> Ubuntu doesn't want to change my root password. o.o
[08:47] <crimsun> xed_ubuntu: yes, just got back.
[08:47] <xed_ubuntu> crimsun, cool. Any luck with my issue?
[08:47] <crimsun> I have to read first :)
[08:48] <crimsun> (I'm also at work, so I need a bit of time)
[08:48] <jmob> Seabook: how are you trying to change it?
[08:48] <xed_ubuntulive> crimsun: haha, funny.. I was at work earlier too.. trying to get help issue on the same thing
[08:48] <Seabook> I would change the root password, then the new password would work for a while and the password is reverted to the old one after a few minutes.
[08:49] <Seabook> I change it in the "Users and Groups" thingy.
[08:49] <crimsun> xed_ubuntulive: laptop or desktop?
[08:49] <xed_ubuntulive> Laptop
[08:49] <crimsun> xed_ubuntulive: what's the max resolution for that lcd?
[08:49] <jmob> Seabook: run ``sudo passwd root'' at the console
[08:49] <xed_ubuntulive> Its a widescreen.
[08:50] <xed_ubuntulive> It goes to max 1280 by 800.
[08:50] <crimsun> xed_ubuntulive: and which laptop?
[08:50] <xed_ubuntulive> Toshiba Satellite A70.
[08:51] <Seabook> jmob: oh
[08:51] <crimsun> xed_ubuntulive: have you booted with `linux vga=771' ... ?
[08:51] <Seabook> xed_ubuntulive: Go! Toshiba, Go!
[08:51] <xed_ubuntulive> ...err..no I haven't.
[08:51] <jmob> crimsun: I told him to try vga=normal
[08:52] <xed_ubuntulive> Seabook, seemed like a good choice with the money I had and since I really haven't heard or read any thing bad about it.. I went with it..
[08:52] <xed_ubuntulive> crimsun, I tried what jmob told me.
[08:52] <xed_ubuntulive> Should I try what you said?
[08:52] <Seabook> I have an A70 too. :D
[08:52] <xed_ubuntulive> 2.8GHz?
[08:52] <Seabook> ya
[08:52] <xed_ubuntulive> Probably the same one.
[08:53] <Seabook> I don't think mine is HT though.
[08:53] <xed_ubuntulive> 40GB HDD, 512DDR RAM...?
[08:53] <Seabook> ya
[08:53] <xed_ubuntulive> I'm pretty sure it is.. I didn't know mine was HT.. nor did Futureshop, but when they found out.. heh.. they jacked up the price.  (AFTER I bought it.. heh)
[08:53] <crimsun> Seabook: it's running warty? if so, did you do anything to get the install working?
[08:53] <xed_ubuntulive> is it 15.4 widescreen?
[08:54] <Seabook> crimsun: heh, I'm not installing warty on my toshiba
[08:54] <Seabook> xed: ya
[08:54] <xed_ubuntulive> Why not?
[08:54] <xed_ubuntulive> I want it on my laptop. =(
[08:54] <xed_ubuntulive> the install cd does some weird things.. =(
[08:54] <Seabook> xed, does your A70 mention HT on the Intel Inside sticker?
[08:54] <xed_ubuntulive> haha, see! Thats what I thought too Seabook! But you're wrong!
[08:54] <xed_ubuntulive> Check your BIOS
[08:55] <xed_ubuntulive> It'll say "HT Enabled"
[08:55] <crimsun> xed_ubuntulive: two options: 1) vga=771 (or) 2) video=vga:off
[08:55] <xed_ubuntulive> Plus any game, program, whatever.. will tell you .. you have 2 processors running.
[08:55] <Seabook> gonna check with cpuz, hold on
[08:56] <xed_ubuntulive> crimsun, so .. I type in 'linux vga=771' or 'linux video=vga:off' and then press enter, yes?
[08:56] <crimsun> xed_ubuntulive: yup
[08:57] <xed_ubuntulive> alright, I better write this down, my short term memory sucks.
[08:57] <xed_ubuntulive> When I get this installed my other questions will probably be involving getting the sound card and the video files working..
[08:57] <crimsun> xed_ubuntulive: oh, in the second case, make that 'linux video=vga:off video=vesa:off'
[08:57] <Seabook> xed: I'd be damned...
[08:58] <xed_ubuntulive> Seabook, was i right or was i right?
[08:58] <xed_ubuntulive> heh
[08:58] <Seabook> xed: I thought only the motherboard was supporting HT, but the CPU was not.
[08:58] <Seabook> so I disabled HT in the BIOS
[08:58] <Seabook> let me restart and enable it again.
[09:00] <xed_ubuntulive> crimsun: so its.. 'linux video=vga:off video=vesa:off' <enter> for the second case?
[09:01] <xed_ubuntulive> ...guess so?
[09:01] <crimsun> yes
[09:02] <xed_ubuntulive> alright, then
[09:02] <xed_ubuntulive> brb
[09:02] <xed_ubuntulive> Thanks again for all the help. =)
[09:08] <Seabook> xed: lol
[09:08] <Seabook> CPU-Z really sees a 2nd logical CPU.
[09:08] <Seabook> nice.
[09:08] <Seabook> dude I paid cheap for a good P4 then.
[09:09] <Seabook> ... xed is gone. o.o
[09:11] <drspin> night all
[09:12] <crimsun> cya
[09:19] <crimsun> hmm.
[09:22] <dare2dreamer> quiet in here...
[09:23] <spikeb> yes it is
[09:23] <dare2dreamer> must be the hangovers, typing too noisy to bear.  ;-)
[09:24] <dare2dreamer> see? :-)
[09:25] <crimsun> it's Sunday. it won't pick up for another few hours.
[09:25] <dare2dreamer> gotcha.
[09:27] <dare2dreamer> guess I'll pop in later then.
[09:31] <nicedreams> If I install a package from source under debian/ubuntu, is there a way to have it be organized and tracked with apt?
[09:32] <crimsun> no
[09:32] <crimsun> that's why it's recommended you use packages or build from deb-src
[09:33] <nicedreams> deb-src? how do i do that?
[09:33] <nicedreams> is there a site i can learn that from?
[09:34] <spikeb>                                                                           hmm
[09:34] <spikeb> there might be
[09:35] <crimsun> nicedreams: what program did you compile and install from source?
[09:36] <nicedreams> haven't really looked recently.  I've ran into a few in the past.  I want to know how in case I need to again
[09:36] <nicedreams> i've ran into a few programs though
[09:37] <crimsun> ...
[09:37] <crimsun> um, you don't know what programs you compiled yourself?
[09:37] <crimsun> that makes it difficult to help you locate source
[09:37] <nicedreams> no..i haven't done that yet in this install
[09:37] <spikeb> heh
[09:37] <nicedreams> that's why i'm asking
[09:38] <nicedreams> :)
[09:38] <crimsun> 'checkinstall' is a rudimentary step
[09:38] <crimsun> but--
[09:38] <crimsun> it's first best to check if ubuntu offers those wanted packages before you run off, download the source, and compile it yourself
[09:39] <nicedreams> i do that.  i always try to get one from a repository first
[09:39] <nicedreams> i like to play with a lot of software to get fimiar with things and some software isn't offered in the repositories or deb packages
[09:39] <nicedreams> oh yea
[09:39] <nicedreams> another thing
[09:40] <nicedreams> if i install a deb package, how is it tracked or whatever?  Does apt have reference to it since it's a deb?
[09:41] <crimsun> nicedreams: if you install a deb, it's registered with dpkg
[09:41] <crimsun> nicedreams: dpkg provides lots of stats about such packages
[09:41] <crimsun> (the entire drive behind using a package manager)
[09:42] <nicedreams> k...so i just use dpkg for that then.  and apt is just for packages from repositories?  I was thinking it would do both, but that makes sense if not
[09:47] <ferris> does anyone know how long it takes to recieve the installation disks from Ubuntu?
[09:47] <crimsun> depends on when you ordered them
[09:47] <crimsun> how many did you order?
[09:47] <ferris> about a month ago
[09:47] <ferris> 200
[09:47] <crimsun> 200?!
[09:48] <crimsun> um
[09:48] <nicedreams> about 2 months
[09:48] <ferris> 100 for pc
[09:48] <ferris> and 100 for 64s
[09:48] <nicedreams> i'm waiting for 21 of them
[09:48] <ferris> ok
[09:48] <crimsun> dude, that probably read like abuse, ferris.
[09:48] <crimsun> 100 is a lot of CDs to request
[09:48] <ferris> it is the default
[09:49] <ferris> i think they are packaged in 100s
[09:49] <crimsun> that's a -lot- of CDs
[09:49] <Gwildor> 100 is the default???
[09:49] <Gwildor> it was like 10 when i ordered
[09:49] <nicedreams> i never saw 100 for a default
[09:50] <ferris> I build pc's i want to put it on the systems
[09:51] <fragment> I just did some PPD hacking to force grayscale & get decent margins with hpijs
[09:51] <crimsun> I'd say if you ordered them a month ago -- and with that large an order -- you're probably looking at mid-February
[09:51] <crimsun> but that's a wild conjecture on my part
[09:51] <crimsun> and I do emphasize wild
[09:52] <fragment> The default CUPS margins give a .5 inch bottom margin with HP inkjets.  Foomatic gives 2/3 inch.
[09:52] <ferris> hopefully not that long crimsun, but atleast i have some burned already
[09:52] <fragment> ...which is just enough to crop most footers (Firefox, et. al.)
[09:53] <fragment> Plus, sharing a monochrome printer using hpijs wouldn't correctly default the colorspace on other clients.
[09:53] <bleh> is crimsun still here?
[09:53] <crimsun> yep
[09:53] <crimsun> what's up?
[09:53] <bleh> guess what?
[09:54] <bleh> Thanks to your's and jmob's help, I got it installed =)
[09:54] <bleh> I am now running on a installed version of ubuntu =)
[09:54] <bleh> But now, I have a few issues to take care of. =|
[09:54] <bleh> Think you could help me out?
[09:55] <crimsun> sure
[09:55] <crimsun> what's up?
[09:55] <ferris> does ubuntu have a live cd?
[09:55] <crimsun> ferris: yes, see the download page.
[09:55] <nicedreams> ea
[09:55] <nicedreams> yea
[09:55] <nicedreams> it sucks
[09:55] <ferris> ouch
[09:56] <bleh> I don't know, i liked the live cd, but am loving the installed version
[09:56] <ferris> nicedreams, is it have you tried the knoppix live-cd?
[09:56] <bleh> crimsun, first and foremost, thank you.
[09:56] <crimsun> (that's a bit of an exaggeration)
[09:56] <bleh> crimsun, me?
[09:56] <ferris> I like the installed version
[09:56] <crimsun> (the live cd works in common cases, but it's by no means a substitute for a real Warty install)
[09:57] <crimsun> xed: what do you need assistance with?
[09:57] <xed> my touchpad =(
[09:57] <xed> it doesn't work
[09:57] <crimsun> did you load 'psmouse'?
[09:57] <xed> I did the lsmod thing again in the terminal, it showed psmouse thing
[09:58] <crimsun> ok.
[09:58] <xed> psmouse                17800  0
[09:59] <xed> crimsun, you there?
[09:59] <crimsun> yes, hold on
[09:59] <crimsun> (I'm at work)
[09:59] <xed> Oh right.
[10:02] <xed> ...
[10:02] <crimsun> (just hold)
[10:03] <xed> Doing so, just tell me when you're done.  =)
[10:04] <crimsun> xed: could you paste /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 onto pastebin?
[10:04] <xed> pastebin?
[10:04] <crimsun> pastebin.com
[10:04] <xed> into the 'name' part?
[10:05] <crimsun> name is your irc nick
[10:05] <xed> sorry, into the code part?
[10:05] <crimsun> code is the conffile
[10:06] <xed> ...
[10:06] <xed> so you want me to type in ' /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ' into the terminal?
[10:06] <crimsun> sigh
[10:06] <crimsun> could you dcc it to me?
[10:06] <xed> Sorry, again.. completely new to this.
[10:07] <xed> Don't.. think I need to DCC anything
[10:07] <crimsun> well, I need to see your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 somehow
[10:07] <xed> bash: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4: Permission denied
[10:07] <crimsun> you could upload it to a web site, or dcc it to me, or email it, or ...
[10:07] <xed> I did what you told me =|
[10:08] <rm6990> xed: use gedit or something, even a web browser, to open the file /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[10:08] <rm6990> then cut and paste everything into pastebin
[10:08] <xed> *sigh* I just realized something.. I am still in windows mode =(
[10:09] <xed> get that crimsun?
[10:11] <crimsun> xed: yep
[10:11] <crimsun> xed: the first thing you should do is make a backup copy of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[10:11] <xed> Sorry about the.. err.. stupidity
[10:11] <xed> ...
[10:11] <crimsun> xed: sudo cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.bak
[10:11] <xed> Thank you
[10:12] <xed> now it asks me for a password
[10:12] <xed> I put in the password of the username I'm logged in with...
[10:12] <crimsun> xed: then edit it and change the Option "Protocol" "auto-dev" line in the second Section "InputDevice" definition to Option "Protocol" "explorerps/2"
[10:13] <xed> edit it!?
[10:13] <crimsun> yes, like you'd edit a term paper
[10:13] <xed> wait wait-
[10:14] <xed> crimsun, I'm assuming its backed up because it gave me no errors when I put in the password.
[10:14] <crimsun> that's fine
[10:14] <crimsun> that's correct.
[10:15] <crimsun> you could now do:
[10:15] <crimsun> sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[10:16] <xed> okay, it opened it up
[10:16] <crimsun> ok, scroll down to the second Section "InputDevice"
[10:16] <xed> i'm there
[10:18] <crimsun> ok, this is the section for your Synaptics Touchpad
[10:18] <xed> Yep, I somewhat understand that..
[10:18] <crimsun> in the line Option "Protocol" "auto-dev", change "auto-dev" to "explorerps/2"
[10:19] <xed> save?
[10:20] <xed> crimsun: anything else I should modify?
[10:21] <crimsun> nope, that's all you need to modify
[10:21] <crimsun> save it and exit
[10:21] <xed> ctrl+o to save right?
[10:21] <xed> Can't quite recal..
[10:21] <crimsun> ctrl+x for exit if I remember
[10:21] <crimsun> it will ask you to save it
[10:22] <xed> now.. what do I do?
[10:22] <crimsun> you're back at prompt?
[10:22] <xed> Yes sir, I am.
[10:22] <crimsun> sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart
[10:22] <xed> Will this restart my computer? -_-
[10:22] <crimsun> no, just the display manager for X Windows
[10:23] <xed> ...I don't know what that means but OKAY
[10:23] <crimsun> if you're logged in through an X client, you'll be logged out
[10:23] <crimsun> just log back in
[10:23] <crimsun> ...sure 'nuff
[10:23] <Agrajag> sharp as a sack of wet mice
[10:29] <xed> OKay, so that didn't go so well..
[10:29] <xed> I had to hard boot >.<
[10:29] <xed> crimsun, you have to warn me about these things..
[10:29] <xed> It asked me to log into something.. I did..
[10:30] <xed> I was stuck in this prompt.
[10:30] <xed> No GUI. =(
[10:30] <xed> and.. you're at work. =|
[10:30] <crimsun> no, I'm just reading
[10:30] <Agrajag> startx
[10:30] <xed> oh..
[10:30] <crimsun> so you restarted X Windows, and it froze on you?
[10:30] <xed> Yeah, sorry
[10:30] <xed> See, if I KNEW how to restart it..
[10:30] <xed> I would
[10:30] <xed> Except it took me to this prompt.. or something
[10:31] <xed> something black.. and white
[10:31] <xed> and had some sort of hostname..
[10:31] <xed> it asked for username
[10:31] <xed> and I put mine in
[10:31] <crimsun> yeah, that's the standard commandline.
[10:31] <xed> and then I put in password
[10:31] <xed> pressed enter
[10:31] <crimsun> so you're back in X Windows?
[10:31] <xed> I typed in 'X' it ..did nothing. =(
[10:31] <xed> So I hardbooted
[10:31] <xed> and now I think I have to edit that file again
[10:31] <crimsun> well, are you back in GNOME?
[10:32] <Agrajag> startx is the script that starts X
[10:32] <xed> Gnome.. meaning...?
[10:32] <Agrajag> X by itself won't do it
[10:32] <crimsun> xed: the graphical interface
[10:32] <xed> crimsun, I believe so. I'm not using any text based thing in any terminal or anything. I believe this client for IRC is called 'xchat'.
[10:33] <crimsun> right, so you're in gnome
[10:33] <xed> Yes, yes I am.
[10:33] <crimsun> ...and the touchpad still doesn't work, correct?
[10:33] <xed> no, no it doesn't.
[10:33] <crimsun> are you using an external mouse?
[10:33] <xed> I believe thats because I had to hardboot to get back into the gnome.
[10:33] <xed> Yes, an external USB ball mouse.
[10:34] <xed> What was the ......err...
[10:34] <xed> the location of that file to edit
[10:35] <crimsun> /etc/X11/XF86Config-5
[10:35] <crimsun> err
[10:35] <crimsun> /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[10:35] <xed> Thank you
[10:35] <crimsun> try changing "explorerps/2" to "auto"
[10:36] <crimsun> oh wait
[10:36] <xed> ...
[10:36] <xed>         Option          "Protocol"              "explorerps/2"
[10:36] <crimsun> yeah, change that back to "auto-dev"
[10:36] <crimsun> sorry
[10:36] <crimsun> I misread something
[10:36] <crimsun> need to look for something, sec
[10:36] <xed> done
[10:38] <crimsun> xed: check /proc/bus/input/devices
[10:39] <crimsun> xed: make sure you have AlpsPS/2 ...
[10:39] <crimsun> xed: also, cat /proc/cmdline
[10:40] <xed> cat.. cat.. doesn't.. that create some sort of file?
[10:41] <crimsun> no, it lists the contents of the file
[10:41] <crimsun> xed: and I see part of the problem.
[10:41] <crimsun> xed: your touchpad isn't being recognized at all
[10:41] <xed> I think I see it too...or.. I think I do
[10:41] <crimsun> xed: is it disabled in bios?
[10:41] <xed> bios?
[10:41] <xed> I .. don't believe so. I can check.
[10:42] <xed> But wait-- then I have to restart all over again =(
[10:42] <crimsun> ok, before you do that, do this:
[10:42] <crimsun> echo psmouse | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[10:42] <xed> it shows psmouse
[10:42] <crimsun> and you changed "explorerps/2" back to "auto-dev", correct?
[10:42] <xed> Yes sir, I did.
[10:42] <crimsun> ok.
[10:43] <xed> now what else do I do?
[10:43] <crimsun> reboot your laptop
[10:44] <xed> ...
[10:44] <xed> Is there any way I can skip all the checks it does when I'm rebooting?
[10:44] <crimsun> xed: log out, and choose reboot
[10:44] <crimsun> (or restart)
[10:44] <xed> I hope this skips it...that stuff takes relatively long.
[10:45] <xed> brb
[10:45] <Josip> trying to compile PHP-5.0.3 but i get this error when i try <make>
[10:45] <Josip> /home/dzogi/Krcka/php-5.0.3/ext/mysqli/mysqli.c:843: error: `LOCAL_INFILE_ERROR_LEN' undeclared (first use in this function)
[10:45] <Josip> make: *** [ext/mysqli/mysqli.lo]  Error 1
[10:47] <xed> Okay, rebooted.
[10:47] <crimsun> any luck?
[10:47] <xed> crimsun: touchpad still not working
[10:47] <crimsun> xed: all right, please paste your /var/log/XFree86.0.log on pastebin.com
[10:48] <xed> Got it crimsun?
[10:49] <crimsun> yep
[10:49] <xed> (EE) Synaptics Touchpad no synaptics touchpad detected and no repeater device
[10:49] <xed> That.. doesn't look right to me.
[10:49] <xed> Seems it might be something in the bios. =(
[10:50] <Josip> any ideas about my problem ?
[10:50] <crimsun> yep
[10:50] <crimsun> xed: check bios and enable it
[10:50] <xed> brb
[10:50] <Josip> or maybe a php5 .deb package ?
[10:50] <xed> what be that?
[10:51] <xed> Let me check Bios
[10:51] <crimsun> Josip: I don't know of any php5 debs
[10:51] <xed> brb
[10:51] <crimsun> Josip: try googling for that compile error
[10:51] <Josip> there's a repo. with php5 but for apache 1.3
[10:52] <crimsun> try grabbing the deb-src and migrating it against whatever software you're using
[10:52] <crimsun> I presume apache2?
[10:52] <Josip> yes .
[10:53] <Josip> http://www.phpdiscuss.com/article.php?id=61744&group=php.bugs
[10:54] <xed> well, I checked bios..
[10:54] <xed> bios doesn't really have a feature to disable
[10:54] <crimsun> Josip: I'm familiar with neither apache nor php, so I'm not going to be of much help.
[10:55] <crimsun> xed: cat /proc/cmdline
[10:55] <xed> crimsun: root=/dev/hda1 ro vga=771 quiet splash
[10:57] <Adrenal> ever since i updated firefox from the instructions from http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UpgradingToFirefox10/view?searchterm=firefox%201.0
[10:57] <xed> crimsun: Thats what it says when I typed that into the terminal
[10:57] <crimsun> xed: right.
[10:57] <Adrenal> i can't install extensions
[10:57] <crimsun> xed: hmm, it may be that you need a newer version of the synaptics driver.
[10:58] <xed> ...
[10:58] <Adrenal> does anyone have any ideas as to how to remedy this?
[10:59] <xed> crimsun: Where would I go about getting it?
[10:59] <xed> Tried .. google.. somewhat.
[11:00] <crimsun> Adrenal: read the changelog for information about extensions with Debian's/Ubuntu's 'mozilla-firefox' 1.0+
[11:00] <crimsun> Adrenal: /usr/share/doc/mozilla-firefox/changelog.Debian.gz
[11:00] <crimsun> xed: sec
[11:00] <Josip> wihout --with-mysqli i get this erro
[11:00] <Josip> r
[11:00] <Josip> ext/libxml/libxml.lo: file not recognized: File truncated
[11:00] <Josip> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[11:00] <Josip> make: *** [libphp5.la]  Error 1
[11:00] <Josip> same as yesterday
[11:00] <Josip> any ideas why ?
[11:00] <crimsun> Josip: I don't, sorry. Try asking in #php ?
[11:00] <xed> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/25/2004/11/4/238644 <-- going to try this
[11:01] <crimsun> xed: yes, you should disable legacy usb support
[11:01] <crimsun> (in bios)
[11:01] <sap> has anyone had problems with thinkpads crashing when using the battery?
[11:02] <Josip> my thinkpad has arrived yesterday, still haven't installed ubuntu on it ;-)
[11:02] <xed> I think it might alread be disabled, can't quite remember, but better safe than sorry
[11:02] <crimsun> sap: which model?
[11:03] <Adrenal> crimsun:nothing there
[11:03] <sap> Josip: what's wrong with you? :)
[11:03] <Adrenal> is it on their site?
[11:03] <sap> crimsun: X31
[11:03] <crimsun> sap: don't see anything on the wiki. Tried googling?
[11:04] <crimsun> Adrenal: err, sorry, it's in README.Debian
[11:05] <Adrenal> where is that located?
[11:05] <sap> crimsun: i have yeah, but I'm not sure what to search for ... I suppose it must be related to acpi. I've just removed acpi from the kernel and will see whether it happens again.
[11:05] <crimsun> Adrenal: /usr/share/doc/mozilla-firefox/README.Debian
[11:06] <Adrenal> i don't have a /usr/share/doc/mozilla-firefox folder
[11:06] <sap> crimsun: the hard disk light is always on at the time of the crash and the system just freezes solid.
[11:06] <jmob> Are there any files beside /etc/hosts /etc/exports and /etc/hosts.deny that are involved whether a system can connect via rpc?
[11:06] <neighborlee> even though /usr/local/bin/ is set in my PATH statement typing: wine < is only looking in /usr/bin ???
[11:06] <Adrenal> could u possibly dc me yours or something?
[11:06] <jmob> root@blacksun:~ # netcat <IP_ADDRESS> 111
[11:06] <jmob> (UNKNOWN) [<IP_ADDRESS>]  111 (sunrpc) : Connection refused
[11:06] <xed> oh man, are you going to hate me for this crimsun...
[11:07] <xed> I am SO damn sorry I wasted so much of your time.
[11:07] <xed> It seems the issue was right there in the BIOS
[11:07] <jmob> that's on the server itself, the servers IP is <IP_ADDRESS>, ``netcat localhost 111'' works fine.
[11:07] <xed> touchpad a-ok =)
[11:08] <xed> Don't hurt me. =(
[11:08] <crimsun> 'sok.
[11:08] <xed> now onto a few more issues =(
[11:08] <xed> Soundcard..
[11:08] <xed> no work. =(
[11:09] <jmob> xed: post the output of lspci to rafb.net/paste
[11:09] <crimsun> jmob: you probably need to reconfigure portmap, too, which by default listens only on <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:10] <jmob> crimsun: that's an annoying default, thanks
[11:10] <crimsun> np
[11:11] <xed> crimsun: So where would I start .. to resolve my sound issue?
[11:11] <xed> lsmod?
[11:12] <jmob> xed: do what I told you to do
[11:12] <jmob> xed: paste the output of ``lspci'' to rafb.net/paste
[11:12] <xed> You told me that? Mybad..
[11:12] <jmob> xed: pretty please :)
[11:12] <xed> I'm scared...
[11:12] <xed> I don't like the way he's asking me to do it O.o
[11:13] <xed> meh, but whatever
[11:13] <xed> not like I have anything on this computer to lose
[11:13] <crimsun> xed: after you do what jmob asked, do: lsmod|grep snd_atiixp
[11:14] <xed> jmob: http://pastebin.com/193517
[11:14] <xed> crimsun: Want the results on pastebin?
[11:15] <crimsun> yep
[11:15] <Adrenal> can someone send me there /usr/share/doc/mozilla-firefox/README.debian file?
[11:15] <xed> http://pastebin.com/193518
[11:16] <xed> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/193518 There you go =)
[11:16] <crimsun> Adrenal: you don't have one?
[11:16] <crimsun> xed: reading
[11:16] <Adrenal> crimsun: nah, folder is not there
[11:16] <Adrenal> it just isn't
[11:16] <Adrenal> i don't know why
[11:16] <Adrenal> frankly, i prefer not to know
[11:16] <crimsun> Adrenal: dpkg -L mozilla-firefox|grep 'README.Debian'
[11:16] <jmob> xed: try running alsamixer
[11:17] <jmob> xed: see if everything is muted since the modules for your sound card appear to be loaded!
[11:17] <Adrenal> crimsun: and?
[11:18] <jmob> Adrenal: that'll tell you the location of the README on your system
[11:18] <jmob> Adrenal: then you can read it
[11:18] <xed> crimsun: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[11:18] <Adrenal> it just ended and started a new user@ubuntu
[11:18] <Adrenal> evidently
[11:18] <Adrenal> its not there
[11:19] <xed> got it crimsun?
[11:19] <jmob> Adrenal: did you hear me?
[11:19] <jmob> s/Adrenal/xed/
[11:19] <Adrenal> eh?
[11:19] <Adrenal> u said it would tell me the location
[11:20] <Adrenal> but nothing showed up
[11:20] <crimsun> Adrenal: http://www.trilug.org/~crimsun/README.Debian
[11:20] <jmob> Adrenal: I meant to direct that at xed
[11:20] <Adrenal> ah thanks
[11:20] <jmob> xed: did you see if your mixer had everything muted?
[11:20] <xed> ...
[11:20] <xed> the little icon on the top right?
[11:20] <jmob> xed: run ``alsamixer''
[11:20] <jmob> xed: at the console
[11:21] <jmob> or use gnome mixer or something
[11:21] <crimsun> xed: please paste the output of `cat /proc/interrupts' to pastebin
[11:21] <xed> jmob:
[11:21] <xed> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[11:22] <xed> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/193519
[11:22] <jmob> xed: linux doesn't see your sound card
[11:22] <Adrenal> jmob: no, thats not what i ment
[11:23] <Adrenal> when i go to the firefox extensions page
[11:23] <xed> jmob: That makes no sense to me...I'm not kidding.. NONE.
[11:23] <Adrenal> i can't install new extensions
[11:23] <crimsun> xed: please paste onto pastebin the output from `dmesg|grep irq'
[11:23] <jmob> xed: it just means that linux isn't seeing your sound card
[11:24] <jmob> xed: i.e. it's present in the computer but for some reason linux doesn't know it's there
[11:24] <xed> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/193522
[11:24] <xed> jmob: so how do I get linux to recognize that the sound card is there?
[11:24] <jmob> xed: I think crimsun is getting there
[11:24] <xed> jmob: Thank you =)
[11:25] <jmob> xed: he's instructing you on how to get the req. information so that he can see what's wrong
[11:25] <xed> So it seems.
[11:25] <crimsun> xed: ok, you don't appear to have the bug I was looking for. Do you plan to use a printer from the laptop?
[11:25] <Adrenal> bah, thanks anyway, i think the problem mst be unigue to my rig
[11:26] <xed> crimsun: sometime in the future, but ...not anytime soo-- actually...
[11:26] <xed> Yes, I think I do .. very soon.
[11:26] <crimsun> hmm.
[11:26] <xed> Family member have been bugging me about it since old desktop doesn't seem to be compatible with the new printer/scanner/etc..
[11:26] <xed> It connects via USB.
[11:26] <crimsun> oh good.
[11:27] <xed> Aye =)
[11:27] <crimsun> you need a free irq for your sound chipset, which it's not getting
[11:27] <xed> crimsun: ...that means...?
[11:27] <crimsun> so we're going to steal it from the printer port by disabling it in the bios.
[11:27] <xed> -_-
[11:27] <xed> man, I hope I never need that port..
[11:28] <xed> okay, so what exactly am I looking for to disable?
[11:28] <jmob> xed: you probably won't unless you plan on connecting to parallel port printer
[11:28] <xed> Which I doubt jmob.
[11:28] <crimsun> you're going to disable the parallel printer port in bios.
[11:28] <xed> Alrighty then, brb.. I'm going to see what I can do...
[11:33] <xed> well, I disabled it crimsun
[11:33] <xed> The Parallel Port that is.
[11:34] <jmob> xed: what's the output of ``cat /proc/interupts'' now?
[11:34] <Friczy> Hi
[11:35] <Friczy> I have some problems with hal-device-manager. Can someone help me with it?
[11:35] <xed> crimsun: 'cat: /proc/interupts: No such file or directory' <-- output.
[11:35] <crimsun> (two rs)
[11:35] <jmob> cat /proc/interrupts
[11:36] <xed> http://pastebin.com/193523   <-- output
[11:37] <crimsun> argh.
[11:37] <xed> I'm .. sorry?
[11:37] <crimsun> why do I keep mixing up acpi and stuff
[11:37] <crimsun> nothing
[11:37] <crimsun> well, the disabling of the printer port wasn't necessary, but it won't hurt now
[11:37] <xed> Alrighty
[11:37] <xed> I'll remember to enable it.. sometime later then.
[11:37] <xed> So.. what do I do now?
[11:38] <crimsun> xed: cat /proc/asound/cards
[11:38] <crimsun> xed: does it say no soundcards?
[11:38] <xed> Yes, thats what it says
[11:38] <xed> --- no soundcards ---
[11:38] <xed> That.. can't be good.
[11:39] <crimsun> xed: did you paste the output of `lsmod'?
[11:39] <xed> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/193524
[11:42] <xed> ...?
[11:42] <crimsun> xed: all right
[11:42] <xed> you have a solution to me problem then?
[11:42] <crimsun> I don't believe so
[11:42] <xed> Hmm... that's.. not good.
[11:42] <crimsun> you _may_ be able to resolve it by using a new version of ALSA
[11:42] <xed> ...ALSA..?
[11:42] <crimsun> if you can wait 30 mins, I can continue troubleshooting
[11:43] <crimsun> but I'm off work
[11:43] <xed> So.. 30 minutes.. meaning..?
[11:43] <crimsun> (I have to drive home)
[11:43] <xed> Yes, so then at home you'll help?
[11:43] <crimsun> I can try
[11:43] <crimsun> I'll be back in 30 or less.
[11:43] <xed> Until then, this ALSA...
[11:43] <xed> I shall look into it myself or try and bug jmob about it.
[11:44] <xed> Thanks again for all the help
[11:44] <crimsun> ALSA is the "sound stuff"
[11:44] <jmob> crimsun: you don't think it's the acpi bug?
[11:44] <xed> I'm going to try and stay awake..
[11:44] <crimsun> jmob: it could be, but that usually spits out something to dmesg.
[11:44] <jmob> crimsun:  http://<IP_ADDRESS>/search?q=cache:SoeJ9JfTgpQJ:ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3416.html+snd_atiixp++no+sound+card&hl=en&client=firefox-a
[11:44] <xed> I've been awake for nearly 2 days now, so that can't be good.. but this sound issue.. being resolved would make my work day a lot better.
[11:45] <jmob> xed: geez, go to sleep
[11:45] <jmob> xed: you'll never retain any of this
[11:45] <xed> jmob: meh
[11:45] <crimsun> hmm.
[11:45] <xed> I'd rather just resolve the sound issue atleast.
[11:45] <xed> So atleast I have something to do at work.
[11:45] <crimsun> some people say "pci=noacpi" didn't work and one should try "noapic"
[11:46] <crimsun> in any case, back in a bit.
[11:46] <xed> indeed
[11:46] <xed> thanks again for all the help...
[11:46] <xed> jmob: now, how do I get something done in linux? or this ALSA..what be this?
[11:47] <jmob> xed: really, if you've been up for that long I'd suggest sleeping
[11:47] <xed> Meh, I've gone longer.
[11:47] <jmob> xed: you're gonna have a hard time getting any benefit out of this experience w/ such little sleep.
[11:47] <xed> I'll stay another hour or so..
[11:47] <jmob> xed: at least, I would.
[11:47] <xed> jmob: I've gone longer for a lot dumber reasons...
[11:48] <xed> You'd think I'd learn, eh?
[11:48] <jmob> xed: maybe, I do the same thing occasionally, but it's usually worse for me.
[11:48] <jmob> xed: since I apparently need more sleep than most people
[11:49] <xed> That.. can't be good.
[11:49] <xed> jmob: You know in windows how you install something?
[11:49] <xed> how do you go about doing this in ..ubuntu.. or generally in linux?
[11:49] <jmob> xed: I feel like I absorb much less when I'm lacking sleep.
[11:50] <jmob> xed: generally everything is done through your package manager.
[11:50] <jmob> xed: since your distrobution should package all software for you.
[11:51] <xed> but what about this 'ALSA'
[11:51] <xed> ?
[11:51] <jmob> xed: there's not as much of a concept of going to websites and downloading stuff, although it's still there, for some things that you might want that you're distrobution doesn't package for you.
[11:51] <jmob> xed: you already have alsa, alsa is the ``advanced linux sound arcitecture'', it's part of the linux kernel.
[11:51] <jmob> xed: any module prefixed with ``snd'' is an alsa module
[11:52] <xed> ...
[11:52] <xed> I think it just might be a codec issue...
[11:52] <jmob> xed: Why?
[11:53] <jmob> xed: I think we've establish that linux isn't seeing your sound card properly for some reason.
[11:53] <jmob> xed: it initially detects it, but it doesn't show up anywhere in any of the subsystems that it should.
[11:53] <jmob> xed: post your /boot/grub/menu.lst file to the pasetbin
[11:53] <jmob> pastebin even
[11:53] <xed> jmob: http://fzr.cc/mem/Fuzedx/Screenshot.png
[11:54] <xed> jmob: bash: /boot/grub/menu.lst: Permission denied
[11:55] <jmob> xed: that could be another problem, but given previous information, the previously made conclusions would precede that problem.
[11:55] <xed> Hmm..
[11:55] <jmob> xed: you need to be root to read it
[11:55] <xed> Okay, so how do I go about.. you know... fixing it? heh
[11:56] <xed> Sorry, not trying to sound rude.. just not sure of what other words to use.
[11:56] <jmob> xed: sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:56] <xed> want it in pastebin?
[11:57] <jmob> yes
[11:57] <xed> http://pastebin.com/193530
[11:57] <xed> FISH?
[11:57] <xed> ..can't be the same Fish, impossible.
[11:57] <Fish__> no
[11:57] <xed> jmob: http://pastebin.com/193530 <-- there it is.
[11:57] <Fish__> someone else
[11:58] <jmob> xed: k
[11:58] <xed> Most likely.
[11:59] <xed> Reading it, I presume jmob?
[12:00] <jmob> xed: cd /boot/grub
[12:00] <jmob> xed: sudo wget http://cat.ece.unm.edu:8080/~jmob/menu.lst
[12:00] <xed> Done
[12:01] <xed> jmob: done
[12:02] <jmob> xed: http://cat.ece.unm.edu:8080/~jmob/menu.lst
[12:02] <jmob> xed: that's what I changed
[12:02] <jmob> xed: as per this webpage http://<IP_ADDRESS>/search?q=cache:SoeJ9JfTgpQJ:ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3416.html+snd_atiixp++no+sound+card&hl=en&client=firefox-a
[12:03] <jmob> xed: you'll notice some people where having similar trouble with the same sound modules that you use
[12:03] <jmob> xed: so... now you need to run ``sudo update-grub'' and reboot
[12:04] <xed> okay, jmob
[12:04] <xed> now all I see is
[12:04] <xed> >
[12:04] <xed> and the cursor
[12:05] <xed> wait wait-- mybad
[12:05] <xed> rebooting time
[12:05] <xed> brb
[12:08] <VirtualDarKness> hi, I have a problem and can't figoure out if it is a disk (hardware) problem or a ubuntu (hoary on reiser fs) (software) one..
[12:08] <jmob> VirtualDarKness: what's the problem
[12:09] <jmob> xed: What happened!? You took so long.
[12:09] <xed> Was.. that sarcasm?
[12:09] <jmob> xed: no I was worried I screwed up your grub config... :)
[12:10] <VirtualDarKness> when I start ubuntu (for now it is happened only with it) the hard disk makes a strange sound like when it goes in standby
[12:10] <xed> .. oh shit
[12:10] <VirtualDarKness> and then I get many errors from kernel and reiserfs related stuff
[12:10] <xed> What does the grub config exactly do?
[12:10] <jmob> VirtualDarKness: sounds like faulty HD
[12:10] <VirtualDarKness> I already done te powermax (it is a maxtor) quick test and it passed it
[12:10] <xed> ...
[12:10] <xed> Ahoyhoy?
[12:11] <VirtualDarKness> jmob, yes to me too but the hard disk has less than 6 month :P
[12:11] <xed> crimsun, is back?
[12:11] <jmob> VirtualDarKness: ran reiserfsck on it?
[12:11] <VirtualDarKness> not yet
[12:11] <crimsun> xed: now I am
[12:11] <crimsun> any progress?
[12:12] <VirtualDarKness> jmob, I can't get to a console.. should I try the rescue mode?
[12:12] <VirtualDarKness> (now I'm downloading a live distro and doing some backup)
[12:12] <xed> crimsun, You tell me.
[12:13] <crimsun> ?
[12:13] <gsuveg> ryan: ping
[12:13] <xed> None.
[12:13] <xed> jmob just said something about screwing up my grub config.
[12:13] <VirtualDarKness> jmob, another strange things is that is seems to happen only with ubuntu, can it be because of the position of the partition in the disk?
[12:13] <crimsun> xed: what did you change?
[12:13] <xed> Maybe I misread? I don't quite know.
[12:14] <xed> I don't quite know. I ..something with the grub config.
[12:14] <xed> He changed it.
[12:14] <crimsun> xed: (jmob was joking about screwing it up)
[12:14] <xed> Yeah, I hope so...I'm already lost as it is.
[12:14] <xed> I just want this sound working.
[12:14] <xed> crimsun: Know what I could do.. or no?
[12:14] <sap> what the chances of loosing files from a partition I want to increase using fdisk?
[12:15] <jmob> xed: wget http://cat.ece.unm.edu:8080/~jmob/soundcardinfo.sh
[12:15] <jmob> xed: sh soundcardinfo.sh
[12:15] <jmob> xed: paste output to pastebin
[12:16] <xed> jmob: http://pastebin.com/193534
[12:17] <xed> I'll note that this also says -- no sound cards -- at the bottom
[12:17] <jmob> xed: grep /boot/grub/menu.lst 'noacpi'
[12:18] <xed> jmob: grep: noacpi: No such file or directory
[12:18] <jmob> xed: grep 'noacpi' /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:18] <jmob> whoops...
[12:19] <goonie> I need help badly.. all of a sudden I can't log in to Gnome! I get the following error after putting in my username and password:
[12:19] <goonie> "GDM could not write to your authorization file."
[12:19] <goonie> "This could mean that you are out of disk space or that your home directory could not be opened for writing."
[12:19] <xed> jmob: This does absolutelynothing.
[12:19] <xed> or so it seems
[12:19] <xed> jmob: what do I do?
[12:19] <jmob> xed: repaste your menu.lst
[12:19] <xed> err..
[12:20] <jmob> goonie: so, are you out of diskspace?
[12:20] <xed> jmob: my menu.lst?
[12:20] <xed> Remind me as to how I go about doing this?
[12:20] <jmob> xed: you need sleep!
[12:20] <goonie> jmob: no shouldn't be.. haven't downloaded anything lately
[12:20] <xed> jmob: Yes, well you would imagine..
[12:20] <jmob> goonie: log in to a console and fun ``df -h''
[12:21] <jmob> goonie: see if anything says 100%
[12:21] <goonie> jmob: that'
[12:21] <jmob> xed: you should be able to remember that ;) ``sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst''
[12:21] <goonie> 's what I was gonna do but I can't get into console..
[12:21] <goonie> just don't know how :$
[12:21] <jmob> goonie: ctrl+alt+f1
[12:22] <mcarugno> Hi there, happy 2005 !
[12:22] <xed> jmob: http://pastebin.com/193538
[12:22] <xed> My short term memory is out.  The backup left me around 20 to 30 minutes ago..
[12:23] <jmob> xed: something didn't happen the way it was supposed to
[12:23] <mcarugno> How many CDs has Ubuntu ? Just one ?
[12:23] <mupe> goonie: I've had similar issues, try renaming .ICEauthority in your home dir
[12:23] <crimsun> jmob: did you ask him to try the "pci=noacpi" or the "noapic"?
[12:23] <jmob> xed: notice that you don't have 'pci=acpi' anywhere...
[12:23] <jmob> xed: err 'pci=noacpi'
[12:23] <xed> Sure.
[12:23] <jmob> crimsun: I tried
[12:24] <goonie> jmob: you were right... /dev/hda2 100% .... but that is weird because I haven't downloaded anything :O
[12:24] <jmob> xed: are you sure you changed directories to /boot/grub before you ran the wget command?
[12:24] <xed> ...whoops
[12:24] <mcarugno> How many CDs has Ubuntu ? Just one ?
[12:24] <crimsun> xed: on line 63, add "pci=noacpi" to the end of the line
[12:24] <crimsun> mcarugno: just 1
[12:24] <jmob> xed: you don't really need the wget command http://cat.ece.unm.edu:8080/~jmob/menu.lst.diff
[12:25] <jmob> xed: you just need to change that line and run ``sudo update-grub''
[12:25] <crimsun> xed: without the double quotes
[12:25] <xed> change what line?
[12:25] <xed> oh wait--
[12:25] <xed> i see
[12:25] <xed> line 63
[12:25] <jmob> xed: look at this http://cat.ece.unm.edu:8080/~jmob/menu.lst.diff
[12:25] <crimsun> yep, the line that begins with # kopt ...
[12:25] <jmob> xed: it's line 59
[12:25] <crimsun> (I'm going by your pastebin output)
[12:26] <jmob> crimsun: I'm going by the diff of his menu.lst
[12:26] <jmob> xed: anyway, to be sure, like crimsun said it should be the line that begins with '# kopt'
[12:27] <mcarugno> What kernel verion is the default for Ubuntu ? 2 .4 or 2.6 ?
[12:27] <xed> Wait wait-- what?
[12:27] <jmob> ...
[12:27] <xed> ...
[12:27] <mcarugno> kernel version
[12:27] <xed> You lost me
[12:27] <xed> line.. 63?
[12:28] <xed> Thats where i get lost.
[12:28] <e-Jah> saluuuut
[12:28] <crimsun> mcarugno: <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:28] <mcarugno> e-Jah: salute
[12:28] <mcarugno> thank you
[12:28] <jmob> I'm saying good bye for now, little too frustrating for me.
[12:28] <crimsun> xed: search for the line that begins with: # kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro vga=771
[12:29] <crimsun> cya jmob
[12:29] <xed> thanks a lot for the help and sorry
[12:29] <xed> and ad..something to the line, yes/
[12:29] <mcarugno> do anybody knows a pctel driver for 2.6 kernels ?
[12:29] <xed> ?
[12:29] <crimsun> xed: yes, add "pci=noacpi" to the end of that line
[12:30] <crimsun> xed: with a space between vga=771 and pci=noacpi
[12:30] <xed> Yes, got it.
[12:30] <xed> Save, quit?
[12:30] <crimsun> yes
[12:30] <xed> Done
[12:30] <crimsun> then run: sudo update-grub
[12:30] <xed> this is in the home directory?
[12:31] <crimsun> doesn't really matter :)
[12:31] <xed> oh. ok
[12:31] <VirtualDarKness> it's in the path :)
[12:31] <xed> Want me to paste the result of sudo update-grub ?
[12:31] <crimsun> after that command completes, type: sudo reboot
[12:32] <VirtualDarKness> crimsun, did you read about my problem with reiser/hd ? what do you think?
[12:32] <crimsun> VirtualDarKness: I did not
[12:34] <mcarugno> Where can i get a list of packages shipped in the ubuntu cd ?
[12:34] <crimsun> mcarugno: check the wiki :)
[12:35] <mcarugno> ok. thank you
[12:35] <pjssilva> Hello. I am trying to set an Xclient using XDMCP. Both machines (client and server) are running Ubuntu. I am experiencing some short X freezes. The client is a slow machine (K6-2 300MHz with 256MB ram and S3 virge video card). What may be the problem?
[12:35] <VirtualDarKness> crimsun, I've pasted it on query
[12:35] <crimsun> VirtualDarKness: I don't know; I need more information from /var/log/dmesg
[12:36] <xed> That did absolutely nothing
[12:36] <miggumike> i don't have any blank cds is there a way i can run the install from my apple partition?
[12:36] <crimsun> VirtualDarKness: are you experiencing that with only hoary?
[12:37] <VirtualDarKness> yes for now
[12:38] <crimsun> VirtualDarKness: which kernel are you using in hoary?
[12:38] <VirtualDarKness> crimsun, 2.6.9-1
[12:38] <xed> okay
[12:38] <xed> so
[12:38] <crimsun> xed: does /proc/asound/cards still have the same contents as before?
[12:38] <xed> Still nothing
[12:39] <xed> permission denide
[12:39] <crimsun> VirtualDarKness: what happens with the previous kernel, <IP_ADDRESS>?
[12:39] <crimsun> xed: cat /proc/asound/cards
[12:39] <xed> no soundcards
[12:39] <crimsun> ok.
[12:39] <crimsun> now go back and edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:40] <crimsun> and change pci=noacpi to noapic
[12:40] <crimsun> save it, then run sudo update-grub
[12:40] <VirtualDarKness> crimsun, I didn't tried yet but it is a good idea to try. I can't do it now; (cant reboot) I'll try it later.
[12:41] <xed> crimsun: you mean I change it to 'noacpi' right?
[12:41] <crimsun> xed: no, noapic
[12:41] <VirtualDarKness> crimsun, have you heard of other people having problems like this with the 2.6.9 kernel and reiser?
[12:41] <xed> noapic?
[12:41] <xed> ..o..k.
[12:41] <crimsun> that's correct.
[12:41] <crimsun> [I have to use that myself]
[12:42] <miggumike> can i go into firmware mount an .iso that's on my osx partition and boot up yaboot to install linux?
[12:42] <crimsun> VirtualDarKness: no
[12:42] <crimsun> miggumike: no idea, sorry
[12:42] <crimsun> have you checked the wiki and google?
[12:42] <miggumike> no i haven't
[12:43] <xed> reboot again crimsun?
[12:43] <crimsun> yep
[12:43] <xed> brb then i guess
[12:44] <VirtualDarKness> crimsun, I've to go away from pc now; see you and thanks.
[12:44] <crimsun> bye, VirtualDarKness.
[12:44] <VirtualDarKness> bye
[12:45] <crimsun> Bigbigman: it's an excellent distro for people who are looking for an intuitive, straight-forward, desktop-oriented Linux distribution
[12:46] <xed> welp
[12:46] <xed> still no sound
[12:46] <crimsun> xed: ok, then things you'll need to try involve compiling newer sound support
[12:47] <crimsun> xed: it's better if you attempt that later
[12:47] <xed> oh man
[12:47] <xed> I need this sound for work =(
[12:47] <mcarugno> list of ubuntu packages is in http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[12:47] <xed> I really don't want to have to go back to windows.. =(
[12:48] <crimsun> xed: ALSA works with that sound chipset; it's just a matter of making it work on yours
[12:48] <crimsun> xed: in the meantime, I suggest you get some rest
[12:48] <xed> I have work in a few hours.
[12:49] <xed> How long do you think it would take to get ALSA working, crimsun?
[12:49] <isladelobos> alagulieeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[12:49] <isladelobos> is imposible login my  ubuntu in linux
[12:49] <crimsun> xed: maybe an hour?  I don't know what else to say other then.. thank you.
[12:50] <crimsun> we can try a newer version of ALSA
[12:50] <isladelobos> only configuring in x windows
[12:50] <xed> Right now crimsun?
[12:50] <xed> how?
[12:50] <crimsun> xed: sudo apt-get install build-essential kernel-package
[12:51] <crimsun> xed: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[12:51] <xed> couldn't find package kernel-package
[12:52] <xed> Reading Package Lists... Done
[12:52] <xed> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[12:52] <xed> E: Couldn't find package kernel-package
[12:52] <xed> Got that crimsun?
[12:53] <isladelobos> how to configure my ubuntu in x to log whith a user in windows 2000?
[12:53] <crimsun> xed: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list onto pastebin.com
[12:53] <isladelobos> not is possible?
[12:53] <crimsun> isladelobos: please rephrase; I don't understand you
[12:54] <isladelobos> is possible log in windows 2000 whith samba?
[12:54] <isladelobos> and configuring ubuntu in x
[12:54] <xed> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/193542
[12:55] <isladelobos> wen log my user is white
[12:55] <isladelobos> no user
[12:55] <crimsun> xed: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:55] <isladelobos> don't speak english very well
[12:55] <isladelobos> :\
[12:55] <xed> sudo edit crimsun?
[12:56] <xed> Warning: unknown mime-type for "/etc/apt/sources.list" -- using "application/*"
[12:56] <xed> Error: no write permission for file "/etc/apt/sources.list"
[12:56] <crimsun> xed: comment out the first line (by putting a hash or a pound mark at the beginning), then uncomment the following two lines that begin with # deb ... and # deb-src ...
[12:56] <crimsun> xed: sudo nane /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:56] <crimsun> err
[12:56] <crimsun> xed: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:56] <xed> yes
[12:56] <xed> nano
[12:56] <crimsun> isladelobos: what is your native language?
[12:56] <isladelobos> spain
[12:56] <crimsun> espanol?
[12:56] <isladelobos> si
[12:57] <crimsun> try asking in #ubuntu-es
[12:57] <isladelobos> thanks
[12:57] <crimsun> de nada
[12:58] <crimsun> xed: actually, uncomment the last two lines in the file, too
[12:58] <xed> done
[12:58] <xed> save and quit..
[12:59] <xed> then?
[12:59] <crimsun> sudo apt-get update
[12:59] <crimsun> then: sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:59] <xed> upgrade or update?
[01:00] <crimsun> both.
[01:00] <xed> ...err..
[01:00] <crimsun> update first, then upgrade
[01:00] <xed> its.. downloading something I believe
[01:00] <xed> and its done
[01:00] <xed> now what?
[01:00] <cavediver> Hi all. E
[01:00] <crimsun> you've updated & upgraded?
[01:00] <crimsun> 'lo cavediver
[01:00] <cavediver> Where do I find packages like Revelation and mplayer?
[01:01] <cavediver> crimsun: hi there.
[01:01] <xed> its doing something crimsun...
[01:01] <xed> I just did the upgrade
[01:01] <xed> its.. doing something
[01:01] <xed> 104mb of archives?
[01:01] <crimsun> cavediver: mplayer is in warty's 'multiverse' repo
[01:01] <crimsun> xed: that sounds right
[01:02] <goonie> jmob: thx for the help earlier: problem is solved :)
[01:02] <xed> This'll take a while
[01:02] <xed> What time is it there crimsun?
[01:02] <crimsun> cavediver: 'revelation' [if you're talking about the gnome passwd manager]  is in 'hoary/universe' but not in warty at all
[01:02] <xed> Wherever you are.
[01:02] <crimsun> xed: 7:02 AM
[01:02] <xed> work nightshifts?
[01:02] <cavediver> crimsun: what's the apt-source for that? I also need midnight commander.
[01:02] <crimsun> xed: yes. I've been awake about 50 hours.
[01:03] <jerkface> hello
[01:03] <xed> Yes, I've been awake about a bit more than 2 days now.. sucks ass =(
[01:03] <crimsun> cavediver: 'mc' is in 'warty/universe'
[01:03] <jerkface> i can't get alsa working with hoary, can you peopole help me?
[01:03] <xed> that 2m14s timer?.. thats how much time is left till it finishes, right?
[01:03] <crimsun> cavediver: the apt-"source" would be the deb-src line for 'hoary/universe'
[01:03] <crimsun> xed: til the packages are finished downloading, yes.
[01:04] <xed> Sweet
[01:04] <jerkface> xmms and mplayer won't play stuff through alsa, and i think its because esd is installed
[01:04] <crimsun> jerkface: then tell xmms to use esd for output
[01:04] <crimsun> jerkface: mplayer can also be told to use esd
[01:04] <jerkface> crimsun: i don't want to use esd
[01:04] <xed> Thats unusually fast ..
[01:04] <jerkface> i want to get rid of esd and just use alsa
[01:05] <jerkface> esd has far too much latency for movies and stuff
[01:05] <xed> 20 seconds *glee*
[01:05] <crimsun> jerkface: is your sound chipset capable of software mixing in hardware, like a sblive or turtle beach santa cruz?
[01:05] <crimsun> brb
[01:06] <xed> ok
[01:07] <jerkface> crimsun: i don't know
[01:07] <crimsun> jerkface: what sound card is listed in /proc/asound/cards?
[01:08] <jerkface> root@katana:/home/robin # cat /proc/asound/cards
[01:08] <jerkface> 0 [SI7012         ] : ICH - SiS SI7012
[01:08] <jerkface>                      SiS SI7012 at 0xe800, irq 18
[01:08] <xed> crimsun, all done.
[01:08] <xed> reboot?
[01:08] <crimsun> jerkface: so you're using snd-intel8x0?
[01:08] <crimsun> xed: not yet.
[01:09] <CaPS_> hello, happy new year all..
[01:09] <jerkface> crimsun: nope, i guess not
[01:09] <crimsun> xed: now: sudo apt-get install build-essential kernel-package linux-headers-`uname -r` devscripts
[01:09] <crimsun> jerkface: ...you should be. Verify with: lsmod|grep snd_intel8x0
[01:09] <xed> uname == username, yes? or just.. uname
[01:09] <crimsun> xed: uname
[01:10] <jerkface> but i mean alsamixer can change the mixer settings
[01:10] <xed> unpacking
[01:10] <CaPS_> Is their an easy way to share directories via Samba through nautilus?
[01:10] <xed> I don't think I can begin to comprehend how you know this all so damn well...
[01:10] <CaPS_> *there
[01:10] <xed> Unless ofcourse you were involved in the development..
[01:10] <xed> which would explain quite a bit.
[01:10] <jerkface> crimsun: can i spam that into a pm for you?
[01:10] <xed> crimsun, its done.
[01:11] <crimsun> xed: I've been using Debian for about 7 years.
[01:11] <grepper> how can I remove the "about Ubuntu" icon from the menu ?
[01:11] <xed> crimsun, that does explain a bit.
[01:11] <crimsun> jerkface: no need, that explains what I needed it to.
[01:11] <grepper> This machine is not going to be connected to the internet and I don't want to confuse the users
[01:11] <xed> crimsun, it is done.. now reboot?
[01:11] <jerkface> crimsun: yes, theres a good few entries for it
[01:12] <crimsun> grepper: that should pull up a local file...
[01:12] <grepper> crimsun, I would have thought so, strange
[01:12] <crimsun> grepper: does it not pull up file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html ?
[01:12] <grepper> no
[01:12] <grepper> connects to ubuntulinux.org
[01:12] <crimsun> hmm, must be a hoary change then.
[01:13] <grepper> I tried the usual suggestions for editing the menu, but can't see where this item is
[01:13] <xed> crimsun, what shall I do now, reboot?
[01:13] <crimsun> grepper: I'm thinking it's in gnome-menus
[01:13] <crimsun> xed: no
[01:13] <xed> sit around?
[01:13] <crimsun> xed: go here http://packages.debian.org/unstable/sound/alsa-source
[01:13] <xed> I'm there
[01:14] <crimsun> xed: 3/4 down the page is an [All]  button
[01:14] <xed> Yep, see it.
[01:14] <crimsun> xed: click that and choose a mirror from which to download the deb
[01:14] <jerkface> alsamixer picks up the card as SiS SI7012, and chipset as Realtek ALC655 rev 0
[01:15] <crimsun> jerkface: yes, and the driver it uses is the snd-intel8x0 ALSA driver
[01:15] <crimsun> jerkface: which means you'll have to configure dmix if you wish to hear multiple sounds simultaneously
[01:15] <xed> open or save?
[01:15] <crimsun> xed: save it
[01:16] <grepper> crimsun, I have no idea where that is :)
[01:16] <jerkface> dmix?
[01:16] <xed> There's something horribly wrong with Mozzilla
[01:16] <xed> I click on save
[01:16] <xed> it goes to desktop supposedly
[01:16] <xed> but I don't see the damn files anywhere ._.
[01:16] <crimsun> xed: find ~ -name 'alsa-source*deb'
[01:17] <xed> /home/bleh/alsa-source_1-1.0.7-2_all.deb
[01:17] <xed> /home/bleh/alsa-source_1.0.7-2_all.deb
[01:17] <xed> are they hidden or something?
[01:18] <jerkface> uh, was that for me?
[01:18] <crimsun> jerkface: dmix is on the alsa wiki.
[01:18] <xed> crimsun, ...?
[01:18] <crimsun> xed: patience, please
[01:18] <jerkface> ok, thanks
[01:19] <crimsun> jerkface: look under AlsaSharing on http://alsa.opensrc.org
[01:19] <xed> No, I mean.. I was asking are those the files? =/
[01:19] <crimsun> xed: yes
[01:19] <crimsun> xed: cd /usr/src
[01:19] <xed> done
[01:19] <crimsun> xed: sudo dpkg -i ~/alsa-source_1.0.7-2_all.deb
[01:20] <xed> Done
[01:20] <crimsun> xed: sudo tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2
[01:21] <xed> done
[01:21] <crimsun> xed: cd modules/alsa-driver
[01:21] <xed> done
[01:21] <crimsun> xed: sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source
[01:22] <xed> I am now.. infront of some sort of list.
[01:22] <crimsun> xed: it's a list of what modules to compile
[01:23] <crimsun> look for 'atiixp'
[01:23] <xed> done
[01:23] <xed> wait
[01:23] <crimsun> selected?
[01:23] <xed> screen just went screwy
[01:23] <xed> I selected my AC97 card.
[01:24] <jerkface> crimsun: if i set gnomes default sound output to alsa
[01:24] <jerkface> then config xxms to use esound
[01:24] <crimsun> did you see a choice for 'atiixp' or something with the "ati" string in it?
[01:24] <xed> Yes
[01:24] <jerkface> is that basically making it use the sound server hence multiple streams?
[01:24] <crimsun> xed: and you chose that?
[01:24] <crimsun> jerkface: no
[01:24] <crimsun> jerkface: it will conflict, and you'll get an error(s)
[01:24] <jerkface> well its working:/
[01:25] <crimsun> jerkface: if you want to use ALSA, then use ALSA completely
[01:25] <xed> What if I select all? what will it do?
[01:25] <crimsun> jerkface: tell everything to use ALSA by default
[01:25] <crimsun> xed: it will try to build all the modules you selected
[01:25] <crimsun> xed: a waste of time, in other words
[01:25] <xed> Build ALSA drivers with debugging code?
[01:26] <crimsun> xed: yes

[01:26] <xed> wait wait--
[01:26] <xed> I see two here
[01:26] <crimsun> two what?
[01:27] <xed> atiixp-modem (PCI: MC97 [MODEM]  on motherboards with ATI IXP chipsets)
[01:27] <crimsun> no, only select atiixp
[01:27] <xed> atiixp (PCI: AC97 on motherboards with ATI IXP 150/200/250 chipsets)
[01:27] <xed> That one, right?
[01:27] <crimsun> only atiixp
[01:27] <xed> deselect all?
[01:27] <xed> Because it was already selected when I started it. =\
[01:28] <crimsun> was it the only one selected?
[01:28] <xed> Okay, well I'm done that now.
[01:28] <xed> Now.. restart?
[01:28] <crimsun> no
[01:28] <xed> aww
[01:29] <cavediver> Do one have to wait for next release to have FF and TB 1.0 ?
[01:29] <cavediver> Not that i can't use 0.8, but anyway :)
[01:29] <crimsun> xed: sudo ./debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-`uname -r` KVERS=`uname -r`
[01:29] <xed> doing
[01:30] <crimsun> cavediver: yes.