[05:37] <alle> MadHadron, I only got one choice: "Standard (Suggested)"
[05:37] <Vjaz> found it...
[05:38] <ch3rn0byl> it shows up, but it won't mount
[05:38] <ch3rn0byl> i am trying to erase it
[05:38] <black_nightmare> seveas you know about power management?
[05:38] <Seveas> sure
[05:38] <ch3rn0byl> i was thinking of just erasing it using the Ubuntu CD
[05:38] <Seveas> a little :)
[05:38] <ch3rn0byl> can i do that?
[05:38] <thomaskorwed> anyone know any good pickup lines for hitting on girls?
[05:38] <MadHadron> alle, Hmm.  Do you have the gimp-print drivers installed?
[05:39] <black_nightmare> I'm wondering if its necessary...or screensaver alone is fine for if I often just shut down when I know I'm not going use for a long time?
[05:39] <Seveas> ghe, power management is more than that
[05:39] <ch3rn0byl> can the Ubuntu boot CD reformat drives?
[05:39] <Seveas> you really should leave it on if you don't have problems with it
[05:39] <alle> MadHadron, foomatic-db-gimp-print is installed, if that's what you mean. But the .ppd comes from the Lexmark website anyway.
[05:39] <thomaskorwed> here is a good one: how do you like your eggs for breakfast? fertalized? - jk jk that is just wrong lol
[05:39] <MadHadron> alle, Oh.  Hmm...
[05:40] <black_nightmare> ty anyhow seveas
[05:40] <MadHadron> black, Linux performs a lot of scheduled maintenance tasks
[05:40] <ch3rn0byl> ok........... so noone knows
[05:40] <MadHadron> black, And turning it off when you're not using it can result in a wildly unstable machine.
[05:40] <MadHadron> ch3r, I never had them coexisting when I had a mac
[05:40] <black_nightmare> seveas if its been alone for more than 60 minutes I just like click mouse or any key to like bring it back?  or what
[05:40] <MadHadron> ch3r, But if you're just after erasing the partition...
[05:40] <thomaskorwed> heh here are some funny ones at http://www.picupx.com/ its like an infinite supply of pickup lines lol
[05:40] <MadHadron> ch3r, Then the disk utilities in the OS X install can do that.
[05:40] <randabis_> nope...that didn't work either...I have libjavaplugin_oji.so in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins and in ~/.mozilla/plugins, but java still will not work in mozilla suite
[05:40] <ch3rn0byl> MadHadron: did you have MacOS X?
[05:41] <black_nightmare> madhadron..hm well I hope I can shut it down for real nights..I mean I'm sleeping for like 7-9 hours....ok???
[05:41] <MadHadron> ch3r, Yes, on a 2001 PowerBook
[05:41] <black_nightmare> I'll leave it on during day thou
[05:41] <Seveas> you dont have too
[05:41] <ch3rn0byl> MadHaron: it can only reformat mounted drives, but i cnt mount it
[05:41] <ch3rn0byl> or well i dnt know how
[05:41] <Seveas> ubuntu now has anacron, all scheduled tasks will be done anyhow
[05:41] <ch3rn0byl> it shows up in pdisk -l
[05:41] <ch3rn0byl> -L*
[05:42] <MadHadron> ch3r, Why not use the Ubuntu install CD to erase the partition?
[05:42] <ch3rn0byl> so i cnt reformat it without mounting it
[05:42] <black_nightmare> seveas..hmm you mean its a bit like a smart scheduler itself..likewise if it was already off when a schedule was due it'll figure running that as soon as it can when its powered on?
[05:42] <black_nightmare> or am I missing something? :p
[05:42] <Seveas> you're right
[05:42] <ch3rn0byl> MadHaron: well i would like to keep the partition if possible without erasing my drive
[05:42] <alle> MadHadron: when I start gnome-cups-manager in a console, it says "** (gnome-cups-manager:6250): WARNING **: connect = 'usb://Lexmark/Z600%20Series'
[05:43] <MadHadron> MadHadron, You can just make it blank space then fill it in with OS X tools.
[05:43] <ch3rn0byl> so can i just reformat that one partition via ubuntu install cd
[05:43] <ch3rn0byl> ?
[05:43] <MadHadron> ch3r, Yes
[05:43] <randabis_> anyone have any ideas about why java won't work in mozilla suite?
[05:43] <Seveas> ch3rn0byl, yes
[05:43] <MadHadron> ch3r, I always use Linux CDs for maintenance on other systems like that.
[05:43] <ch3rn0byl> ok...
[05:43] <ch3rn0byl> ok
[05:43] <ch3rn0byl> good
[05:43] <black_nightmare> seveas...hm ok ty a lot anyhow ;)
[05:43] <randabis_> I have libjavaplugin_oji.so in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins and in ~/.mozilla/plugins, but java still will not work in mozilla suite
[05:43] <ch3rn0byl> well then that is what i am going to do then
[05:44] <alle> MadHadron: And the printer properties dialog says "Ready: Starting ESP Ghostscript 7.07.1..."
[05:44] <ch3rn0byl> cuz i just am finding Ubuntu to suck with my wireless card drivers
[05:44] <MadHadron> alle, I don't know then.
[05:44] <ch3rn0byl> and plus i have backend script problems through the roof
[05:44] <MadHadron> ch3r, Using Airport?
[05:44] <ch3rn0byl> yea
[05:45] <ch3rn0byl> orinoco
[05:45] <ch3rn0byl> is the driver
[05:45] <MadHadron> ch3r, A more recent Mac, I take it...Ubuntu was flawless on my PowerBook.
[05:45] <ch3rn0byl> it's a 2001 iBook
[05:45] <ch3rn0byl> the driver works
[05:45] <Seveas> then what is it that does not work?
[05:45] <ch3rn0byl> but i cnt shut off the card to run 'ifconfig eth1 hw ether MAC_ADDRESS
[05:46] <ch3rn0byl> which sux
[05:46] <alle> Is there really nothing how at least you can get some error message on what is going on???
[05:46] <MadHadron> alle, Have you tried dmesg?
[05:46] <ch3rn0byl> and seemingly kismet won't work it
[05:46] <alle> MadHadron: Yes, and /var/log/messages ... nothing
[05:46] <ch3rn0byl> or well it will after a patch, but seemingly no one has been able to help me out with that
[05:46] <Lindo> anyone here know how giFT works ?
[05:46] <black_nightmare> seveas...just curious but how old would hoary preview be? (I downloaded it like 2-3 days ago)
[05:46] <MadHadron> alle, The problem is that I'm horribly out of date.  I was last a serious Linux hacker about four years ago.
[05:47] <ch3rn0byl> i dnt know how to get the patch to work
[05:47] <MadHadron> ch3r, And I don't use wireless at all, so I can't really help you.
[05:47] <Seveas> it's not much older
[05:47] <ch3rn0byl> u dnt use wireless?
[05:47] <ch3rn0byl> jk
[05:48] <MadHadron> ch3r, Yes, yes, horribly old fashioned.
[05:48] <black_nightmare> seveas hm ty I was wondering about firefox and gaim .... going have to figure configuring gaim an dsee what it does
[05:48] <lixe> is here anybody who use an a7n8x together with an Hercules Ati-card?
[05:48] <MadHadron> black, gaim is about as easy as it gets, second only to naim.
[05:48] <osity> what's the version of UBUNTU that I should get?   I need stable!
[05:48] <alle> MadHadron: well, thanks :-) ... I'm trying to work my way through. Apparently there's a loglevel setting in cupsd.conf
[05:49] <black_nightmare> one question...
[05:49] <ch3rn0byl> well i'll tell you what..... ubuntu would rule (for me at least) if i didn't have all these problems with launching network utility in GNOMe without getting a stupid backend script problem
[05:49] <ch3rn0byl> and also a few other utilites
[05:49] <MadHadron> alle, Good luck.
[05:49] <black_nightmare> I kinda want my  text to be black ---any idea which number it would be in the colors preference?
[05:49] <ch3rn0byl> and then it would be nice if the boot time didn't take 10 minutes when i am not home
[05:49] <ch3rn0byl> it keeps trying to initialize my network interface
[05:49] <MadHadron> ch3r, 0, I think.
[05:50] <ch3rn0byl> but if i am not there then it doesn't work
[05:50] <ch3rn0byl> but if i am not home then it doesn't work
[05:50] <MadHadron> ch3r, A friend of mine who used wireless was complaining about configuring it as well.  He always did it through console, be he was my successor hereabouts as guru.
[05:50] <black_nightmare> test....
[05:50] <ch3rn0byl> well for now i am gonna dump that partition
[05:50] <ch3rn0byl> and work it out later
[05:50] <Bazzi> :o
[05:51] <ch3rn0byl> so cya
[05:51] <black_nightmare> test....
[05:51] <black_nightmare> ok thats a bit better now :)
[05:51] <ch3rn0byl> gotta boot off of CD
[05:51] <typo> how do I enable mod_rewrite in apache?
[05:51] <Bazzi> I also had network initialize problems
[05:51] <xLobeznox> how can I enable gnome mozilla support?
[05:51] <xLobeznox> is not enabled now
[05:51] <MadHadron> Anyway, I'm off.
[05:52] <SeanQ> mozilla-firefox-gnome-support i think, xLobeznox
[05:52] <eyequeue> typo:  touch /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/rewrite.load
[05:52] <xLobeznox> SeanQ, is installed
[05:52] <xLobeznox> SeanQ, but not enabled
[05:52] <eyequeue> typo:  should ave been covered in your docs though
[05:52] <Cred> Hello. Could someone help me of with sound. I have audio from Totem but Rhythmbox doesn't give out anything. I've looked the forums but nothing that would make it work..
[05:52] <SeanQ> ah
[05:53] <Roey> crimsun:  ping
[05:54] <n3t> hy
[05:54] <osity> che3rnobyl:  what version are you using?
[05:54] <n3t> i have try to install ubuntu on g3
[05:54] <n3t> but nothing happen
[05:54] <alterim> can someone PLEASE offer me some help installing ndiswrapper????
[05:54] <typo> eyequeue: thanks
[05:54] <n3t> no boot
[05:55] <alterim> or can someone advise me on a partitioning scheme so i can share files with xp
[05:55] <n3t> no starting
[05:55] <black_nightmare> so.. does hoary preview have the rendering-faulty or the better 'newer' firefox?
[05:55] <black_nightmare> just wondering
[05:55] <n3t> can anyone help me ?
[05:55] <jamin_> hey, does anybody know if the powerpc distro of the hoary preview is compatible with the apple wireless bluetooth mouse and keyboard?
[05:55] <robitaille> black_nightmare: hoary uses firefox 1.0.2 which should be the latest one available
[05:56] <Bazzi> latest+greatest
[05:56] <black_nightmare> ah ty
[05:56] <black_nightmare> going config it for myself now :0
[05:56] <black_nightmare> brb
[05:57] <osity> che3rnobyl:  what version of Ubuntu are you using?
[05:58] <n3t> the last one
[05:58] <n3t> 2.6. not esactly i remember
[05:58] <n3t> i just received yesterday
[05:58] <n3t> via express
[05:59] <osity> n3t are you che3rn0ble?
[05:59] <n3t> no
[05:59] <zyga> black_nightmare: hoary uses 1.0.2 but the thing you need will be in 1.1.x, it's in different branch
[05:59] <mdz> jamin_: you'll need to install a few extra packages to get bluetooth working; it isn't integrated in the default install yet
[06:00] <alterim> can someone advise me on how to partition my 120gb from windows, so i am ready for a xp/ubuntu dual boot?
[06:00] <dere1> does the installer recognize additional operating systems and partition accordingly so one can "dual boot"?
[06:00] <popeye> does anyone here use an ali m1689 chipset
[06:01] <Bazzi> alterim just cut some GB of, I have 8GB
[06:02] <alterim> can someone advise me on how to partition my 120gb from windows, so i am ready for a xp/ubuntu dual boot?
[06:02] <alterim> like, what app do i download
[06:02] <omni_lonnie> dere1: yep, in fact it even corectly name XP home in grub
[06:02] <alterim> do i have a fat32 for sharing
[06:02] <CB201> hey
[06:02] <CB201> does anyone know how I can get tuxracer to open up in windowed mode?
[06:02] <alterim> do i have a small xp partition (via cutting some off) then have a huge fat32
[06:02] <alterim> what what what help!
[06:02] <Bazzi> :P
[06:03] <Bazzi> dunno how much you really want to share
[06:03] <alterim> i just want to use xp and windows!
[06:03] <Bazzi> I do all multimedia stuff still with windows, logically I dont need a big fat32
[06:03] <alterim> so do i
[06:03] <omni_lonnie> dere1: that's what I do on my laptop.  6gig for windows 6gig for linux and the rest as fat32 for data between the two.
[06:04] <alterim> and a swap for linux?
[06:04] <Bazzi> then you maybe need a small one. say 1x 10GB ext2 for ubuntu, 1x10GB fat32 for most comfortable sharing and the rest for windows
[06:04] <n3t> i got a problem with ubuntu
[06:04] <alterim> don't we all
[06:05] <alterim> omni_lonnie SWAP?!
[06:05] <alterim> Bazzi SWAP?!
[06:05] <n3t> this one does not start on powerpc g3 why ?
[06:05] <alterim> christ on a bike
[06:05] <Bazzi> swap swap
[06:05] <black_nightmare> back
[06:05] <alterim> do i need teh fuckin' swap
[06:05] <Bazzi> I think so
[06:05] <alterim> then MENTION this
[06:05] <Bazzi> Ive got a boot, a swap and the normal
[06:05] <alterim> MENTION this omni_lonnie
[06:05] <alterim> i'm too new
[06:05] <alterim> shit
[06:05] <alterim> i hate all this linux crap
[06:05] <Bazzi> well you cna partition that when installing ubuntu :P
[06:05] <alterim> can't it just be easy?!
[06:06] <Bazzi> no
[06:06] <Bazzi> that would take the fun
[06:06] <nmsa> sure thing!
[06:06] <Bazzi> being able to install linux properly already is a sign that you're good ;)
[06:07] <black_nightmare> hey..how do I tell the size of my..umm...my main hd (or 'filesystem') and free space?
[06:07] <alterim> ok, it's like this: i am in xp right now. i have a net connection in xp. i want to partition the hard drive like little ntfs for windows, little ext3 for ubuntu, little swap for linux, rest of hd fat32 for shared. now, what the hell do i do next?
[06:07] <alterim> i have no partitioning sotware as we speak
[06:07] <alterim> so what i do is this:
[06:07] <alterim> first to help gets a mars bar
[06:07] <alterim> ...
[06:07] <Roben> how do I enable Java in firefox?
[06:07] <black_nightmare> roben.. in settings
[06:08] <Roben> the ubuntuguide is not updated
[06:08] <nmsa> I just hate wid00ze ... today on my laptop, xp, I made a cature from my camcorder ... win was working ... hard ... that not even reboot was working .. bad thing
[06:08] <Bazzi> alterim norton partition magic should help
[06:08] <n3t> http://www.ubuntu.com
[06:08] <alterim> i dont fuckin have partition magic
[06:08] <alterim> i'm after a FREE program
[06:08] <nmsa> alterim: use the computer management in xp
[06:08] <alterim> yuou telling me there are no FREE PROGRAMS
[06:08] <mz2> whoa, devilspie rocks
[06:08] <alterim> computer management in xp?!
[06:08] <Bazzi> use linux to format it
[06:08] <Bazzi> on install time
[06:08] <robitaille> alterim:  qtparted
[06:08] <nmsa> create you partitns for  xp and leave some space for ubuntu
[06:08] <alterim> qtparted right now maybe we're getting somewhere
[06:09] <alterim> can i not use the ubuntu installer to completely do all of this?!
[06:09] <Bazzi> yes you can
[06:09] <alterim> everyone tells me something different man
[06:09] <Bazzi> just try it for crying out loud
[06:10] <alterim> it fucks me right off. that's what i can't stand about the linux community
[06:10] <black_nightmare> bazzi so true.. I tried install ubuntu to a clean system and presto..I'm on xchat IN ubuntu :D
[06:10] <Roben> black_nightmare: it doesn't work.
[06:10] <mz2> alterim, there's considerably more to the linux community than grumpy irc channels, tho :)
[06:10] <Bazzi> alterim backup your data, the worst can happen that everything is deleted
[06:10] <nmsa> alterim: computer management in xp, from contr. panel ... dude, the best way for u is yhe known way, u know wind00ze, use windoze to partition
[06:10] <black_nightmare> roben..hrm no idea then sorry...you shouldve have caught seveas but I think there gone now
[06:11] <alterim> oh right you are a NEWBIE and want the SIMPLEST way? oh right, just report the FTRAN nodes over the USO link and NVF the dists or just PROC the shell
[06:11] <alterim> ok nmsa, i'll give it a shot
[06:11] <alterim> can i make my xp part a bit smaller this way, without losing any data?
[06:11] <mz2> alterim, gparted is nicer than qtparted though
[06:11] <mz2> :)
[06:12] <alterim> ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[06:12] <Bazzi> haha
[06:12] <Bazzi> so owned
[06:12] <nmsa> if you want to reduce u have to use linux :)))
[06:12] <Roey> can anyone help me get my sound working? there is /no/ sound even though stuff is playing.
[06:12] <nmsa> or partition magic !
[06:12] <black_nightmare> bazzi do you know if there is something like windows 'device manager' ?  you know like to check what hardwares ubuntu is seeing?
[06:12] <alterim> well i might aswell use this qtparted thingy right?
[06:12] <mz2> yes, you can, as long as the start of the partition is kept at the same point?
[06:12] <Bazzi> black_nightmare gnome has something.
[06:12] <mz2> *i think)
[06:12] <black_nightmare> I just want check if my sound card was installed or I'll have to try manually config it
[06:12] <mz2> (
[06:12] <alterim> oh fuckit, i'll leave it how it is for now
[06:12] <Bazzi> but I'm on windows right now
[06:12] <theine> Roey: you might have to unmute the mixer channels
[06:12] <alterim> i'm going to install 5.04 then
[06:12] <black_nightmare> bazzi...hmm....
[06:13] <fgubuntu> black_nightmare, lspci
[06:13] <nmsa> alterim, is a very nervous guy ...
[06:13] <Roey> theine:  hmm, it turned out to be playing on the integrated sound port
[06:13] <black_nightmare> fgub its actually isa...thats the thing..but then nevermind I somehow stumbled across it duh... system>admin>device manager
[06:14] <CB201> alterim, the Ubuntu community is one of the friendliest Linux support communities out there imho
[06:14] <theine> Roey: hmm
[06:14] <CB201> does anyone know how I can get tuxracer to open up in windowed mode?
[06:14] <idn> does anyone know what the development cycle of ubuntu is?
[06:15] <idn> how often they rease distros?
[06:15] <black_nightmare> hmm doesn't look like I have any sound card at all....
[06:15] <fgubuntu> idn, 6 month
[06:15] <CB201> every six months, to coincide with GNOME updates
[06:15] <black_nightmare> anyone know what umm...command it was again to run the isa pnp tool thinge?
[06:15] <black_nightmare> or is it an apt-get I have to get?
[06:15] <idn> cool
[06:15] <black_nightmare> its creative soundblaster 16 [pnp isa, CT2230 model]
[06:16] <CB201> nightmare are you trying to install something or update it or just run it?
[06:16] <Bazzi> oh my
[06:16] <Bazzi> black_nightmare how old is that thing?
[06:16] <black_nightmare> bazzi...to me not that much but to the average people .. I guess they may as well as think its old
[06:16] <djp> how are people finding the latest preview release of hoary? i find my warty install is nice and stable for my needs at present, so am reluctant to move to hoary just yet...
[06:16] <black_nightmare> I quite like my sound card...used quite a lot when I was still windows-only
[06:17] <Bazzi> like 10 years?
[06:17] <black_nightmare> bazzi...ok here's one hint.. its 440EX
[06:17] <black_nightmare> :)
[06:17] <baise> hi all.
[06:17] <Bazzi> think thats before the time I bought my first pc
[06:17] <black_nightmare> hey baise
[06:17] <baise> does anyone know why i'd get a sluggish when i boot with acpi enabled?
[06:17] <baise> a sluggish system*
[06:18] <robitaille> djp:  I find hoary quite stable.  But if you're going to switch and a little bit reluctant, jsut wait 2 weeks until after the official release
[06:18] <black_nightmare> bazzi...oh ok...well..I'll like to see about getting this creative card working with ubuntu if I can :)
[06:18] <djp> black_nightmare: i have an old ess audiodrive working in a pc here!
[06:18] <black_nightmare> djp....lol :p
[06:18] <black_nightmare> mine is 4 sound lines and one joystick/midi port... the card itself is a tad long thou [these useless ide cdrom connectors on rear]
[06:19] <baise> i need acpi because i'm running a p4 laptop with hyperthreaded cpu, but window redraws etc are really slow with acpi
[06:19] <Bazzi> baise you dont *need* HT do you?
[06:19] <baise> Bazzi, well it's better for ripping cd's etc
[06:19] <Roey> hello, I have two sound devices (integrated and sblive).  What device name do I supply to mpg123 -a  in order to play on the sblive?
[06:20] <Bazzi> ripping cds? that does even my opld p2 266 well :P
[06:20] <baise> grip treats as an smp machine, so i can multitask with it
[06:20] <baise> but only when acpi is on
[06:20] <Bazzi> >:(
[06:20] <Bazzi> so you have that 686-smp kernel right?
[06:20] <baise> Bazzi, yeah
[06:21] <Bazzi> 2.6.10-4?
[06:21] <baise> 2.6.10-5
[06:21] <Bazzi> hm, k.
[06:21] <Bazzi> I think i read something about that in the 2.6.11 kernel changelog, maybe you should wait till it's ubuntu'ed and see if its any better
[06:21] <Roey>  (anyone?)
[06:22] <baise> Bazzi, right, i'll take a look thanks
[06:22] <nmsa> is there a package webmin for ubuntu ?
[06:22] <baise> Bazzi, can you remember what it said?
[06:22] <Bazzi> ?
[06:22] <baise> in the changelog
[06:23] <godsmoke> nmsa: yes ... there is ... you can search on your own
[06:23] <Bazzi> oh no, I just flew over it because I searched for pentium m changes
[06:23] <Bazzi> and I thought I read something HT related
[06:23] <black_nightmare> any of you know where that ubuntu software listing page was again??
[06:23] <black_nightmare> I don't seem to have been able to locate it from the wiki again
[06:24] <yahalom> hi can someone help me with the shutdown comman plz. This is what I type:  sudo shutdown -a -t sec -kh "+15m" "bye" and it doesn't work. Everywhere I got to read this is how I understand to do it, but everyone time i do it brings up the shutdown option
[06:24] <Roey> yahalom:  you know what your nick means
[06:24] <nmsa> godsmoke: apt-get doesn't find it ... synaptic maybe ...
[06:24] <Roey> yahalom:  er... heh, guess ya do ;)
[06:24] <yahalom> yes
[06:24] <yahalom> ;)
[06:24] <Roey> =)
[06:24] <godsmoke> nmsa: you need to add the universe repositories, please consult the Ubuntu Wiki
[06:24] <black_nightmare> no one have any idea about link?
[06:25] <nmsa> godsmoke: 'thnx
[06:26] <yahalom> godsmoke: how come the debian ones dont work anymore? it mentions the public key lately
[06:26] <yahalom> recent change?
[06:27] <godsmoke> yahalom: excuse me?
[06:27] <godsmoke> the debian whats?
[06:27] <nmsa> I am a mdk fun, but I see ubuntu as very fast ... excelent distro!
[06:27] <yahalom> godsmoke: repositories
[06:27] <godsmoke> uh
[06:27] <godsmoke> I have no idea what you're referring to
[06:28] <godsmoke> there is no single debian repository -- there are hundreds -- mirrors
[06:28] <godsmoke> and they don't have any problem
[06:28] <black_nightmare> :|
[06:28] <yahalom> godsmoke: the nerim ones
[06:29] <godsmoke> yahalom: heh, that's pretty specific -- might have wanted to say that
[06:29] <godsmoke> no idea, consult the guy who runs them
[06:29] <yahalom> godsmoke: any idea where i can find debian repositories, cos I'm only stuck with the ubuntu ones
[06:29] <godsmoke> I don't know what you're asking
[06:30] <godsmoke> nerim is a repository for a specific set of packages -- it's not a debian repository
[06:30] <SysFail> i cant imagine you needing something that isnt in the universe repos
[06:30] <SysFail> everything is there
[06:30] <godsmoke> SysFail: haha
[06:30] <godsmoke> uh
[06:30] <SysFail> if it isnt then compile it
[06:30] <godsmoke> no
[06:30] <godsmoke> there are a number of supplemental repositories for debian -- ubuntu just takes the debian packages, so ...
[06:30] <godsmoke> obviously those supplements apply in ubuntu
[06:31] <SysFail> so compile it then
[06:31] <godsmoke> why not use the packages?
[06:31] <yahalom> good point, still a virgin to linux, excuse the alien talk
[06:31] <godsmoke> you're not giving a reason
[06:31] <godsmoke> honestly, unless you need something special -- there's no reason to break the package system with custom compilations
[06:31] <godsmoke> and since we're speaking generally about any potential program or package, that argument is useless
[06:31] <Bazzi> something like php5 :D
[06:32] <SysFail> cause there arent packages for every obscure app out there
[06:32] <SysFail> sometimes you just have to compile
[06:32] <godsmoke> but you're telling him NOT to use the repositories
[06:32] <godsmoke> with no explanation
[06:32] <SysFail> no i didnt
[06:32] <SysFail> yahalom godsmoke: any idea where i can find debian repositories, cos I'm only stuck with the ubuntu ones
[06:32] <SysFail> SysFail i cant imagine you needing something that isnt in the universe repos
[06:32] <godsmoke> mplayer
[06:33] <yahalom> godsmoke: i have all the ubuntu repositories and sometimes certain packages dont exist, so I added debian repositories from the unofficial ubuntu guide, they worked, then all of a sudden they need a public key, so i can no longer get those packages
[06:33] <godsmoke> that's what most people want nerim for
[06:33] <SysFail> kaffeine is better anyways
[06:33] <godsmoke> haha
[06:33] <godsmoke> don't troll, dude
[06:33] <godsmoke> if someone wants mplayer, then there are VERY well-maintained packages for it
[06:33] <godsmoke> so don't argue about nothing
[06:33] <SysFail> wasnt arguing about anything
[06:33] <SysFail> cept the fact youre a moron
[06:34] <yahalom> when is someone going to make an mp3 repository?
[06:34] <Bazzi> apt-get install nelly_furtado* ;)
[06:34] <SysFail> hahaha
[06:34] <yahalom> lol
[06:35] <EddieX> :)
[06:35] <black_nightmare> bazzi do you know if there's like some kind of apt-get listing?
[06:35] <Bazzi> black_nightmare whatdya mean?
[06:35] <Bazzi> all packages you can get
[06:35] <Bazzi> or what?
[06:35] <Bazzi> if so, there's apt-cache
[06:36] <black_nightmare> bazzi....I know there was one game that I downloaded the win32 version of... there was a ubuntu version too but I can not EVEN find the ubuntu software site anymore :|
[06:36] <black_nightmare> so... either where is that listing site again or can I kind of like have an apt-get list?
[06:36] <Bazzi> whats the games' name?
[06:36] <black_nightmare> bleah
[06:36] <EddieX> Is it secure to use limewire ?
[06:36] <black_nightmare> bazzi.. lincity
[06:36] <Bazzi> apt-cache search lincity
[06:36] <Bazzi> what does that output?
[06:37] <black_nightmare> one second..let me start terminal
[06:38] <black_nightmare> doesn't return anything but leaves me at a 2nd # prompt line
[06:38] <black_nightmare> but I knew it was in a ubuntu software list....wish I had bookmarked it
[06:39] <theine> black_nightmare: it's in the universe repository
[06:39] <black_nightmare> theine...and where would that be? :)
[06:39] <yahalom> ok who else here thinks that type of repository system for mp3s is retarderd?
[06:39] <yahalom> retarded
[06:40] <Bazzi> yahalom I'm coll with it ;)
[06:40] <Bazzi> *cool
[06:40] <javiolo> hi
[06:40] <theine> black_nightmare: i'd suggest you read about it at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto for example
[06:40] <yahalom> and am i the only one who doesnt care about downloading music illegally?
[06:41] <theine> black_nightmare: you get loads of additional software packages if you enable the universe repository
[06:41] <yahalom> cos then i'll stop using limewire owing to lonliness
[06:41] <SysFail> youre right yahalom ...nobody cares...gimmie your address and ill send it to the RIAA
[06:42] <idn> does anyone know of a good pdf viewer?
[06:42] <yahalom> SysFail: u dont use LimeWire or Qtella or amule?
[06:42] <black_nightmare> well theine...I'll like to be able to see this site again I saw before and forgot to bookmark?  especially that it had links to any author websites when there were one (thats how I found the win32 download of lincity)
[06:42] <cyfr0n> idn, xpdf is fine.
[06:42] <black_nightmare> but anyhow..guess I'll look at that link of yours too
[06:42] <idn> yeah but it has no feature to select text
[06:42] <SysFail> nope
[06:43] <theine> black_nightmare: is it http://ubuntuguide.org ?
[06:43] <yahalom> Bamboo Rd 7, Christmas Islands, 95732
[06:43] <theine> black_nightmare: check out that one
[06:43] <cyfr0n> idn, you can select blocks of text by mouse in xpdf AFAIR
[06:43] <yahalom> SysFail: wow...that's actually impressive (not being sarcastic)
[06:44] <bodhi> hi, how can i use a serial port infrared adapter?
[06:44] <yahalom> can anyone help me with the shutdown command plz
[06:45] <apokryphos> yahalom: what's the problem?
[06:46] <yahalom> apokryphos: what is wrong with this cmd:  sudo shutdown -a -t sec -kh "+15m" "bye" ?
[06:46] <apokryphos> erm, a little unnecessary to just shutdown
[06:46] <apokryphos> yahalom: you can just use shutdown -h now
[06:46] <yahalom> apokryphos: i want to give a warning to a network b4 i shutdown
[06:47] <shnastybiznastic> alright, i'm looking at setting my gf up with ubuntu, what video player does it use by default?
[06:47] <yahalom> apokryphos: so that everyone can close their work, and call me to complain
[06:47] <SysFail> uses totem i think
[06:47] <SysFail> and its horrible
[06:47] <shnastybiznastic> hrmn, I don't like totem at all
[06:47] <SysFail> i changed the default to kaffeine
[06:47] <shnastybiznastic> is there a way to get mplayer on there?
[06:47] <theine> yahalom: you should replace the 'sec' in '-t sec' with an actual number...
[06:48] <Roey> crimsun:  so basically I forgot to make the 'wacom.ko' kernel module.  Since then it's gone downhill, I need your help to do this over again (shouldn't be too hard..)
[06:48] <yahalom> theine:  if i put lets say -t 3 can i still put something for time like 10:45 or is that a contradiction?
[06:49] <yahalom> theine:   sudo shutdown -a -t 3 -kh "+15m" "bye"
[06:49] <SysFail> mplayer isnt in apt
[06:49] <bodhi> anyone know how to install a serial IrDA?
[06:49] <SysFail> we jsut had this arguement
[06:49] <SysFail> heh
[06:49] <apokryphos> SysFail: add the extra repos.
[06:49] <SysFail> its not in universe was the arguement i think
[06:49] <theine> yahalom: no, sec is the time between sending processes the warning and the kill signal
[06:49] <apokryphos> It's in Multiverse
[06:50] <theine> yahalom: man shutdown
[06:50] <yahalom> theine:   sudo shutdown -a -t 3 -kh "+15m" "bye" so this should work?
[06:50] <apokryphos> shnastybiznastic: yes, add the extra repos and you're good to go.
[06:50] <shnastybiznastic> also, accelerated drivers, she has an nvidia, I think, is the way to get accelerated drivers different in ubuntu
[06:51] <apokryphos> shnastybiznastic: just download from repos.
[06:51] <yahalom> apokryphos: where do i get the xtra repos?
[06:51] <theine> black_nightmare: ubuntuguide.org isn't large??
[06:51] <shnastybiznastic> apokryphos: thanks, i'm new to repository based stuff, I use slackware almost exclusivley...
[06:51] <theine> yahalom: what's "bye" for?
[06:51] <UnbuntuBaby> man i must have really screwed something up in my linux PPC install!
[06:51] <apokryphos> yahalom: it depends, which one? Multiverse just enable it in your sources.list
[06:51] <yahalom> theine: warning message
[06:51] <UnbuntuBaby> my pram battery is screwed and now I cant log in!
[06:52] <theine> yahalom: also i think using -k and -h at the same time doesn't make much sense
[06:52] <django> ah so ubunto uses the apt package manager?
[06:52] <django> ununtu*
[06:52] <theine> yahalom: ah, ok
[06:52] <UnbuntuBaby> I keep getting that a root enforced password change needs to take place, then i get too early to change (!?!?)
[06:52] <shnastybiznastic> apokryphos: so I just download the nvidia driver repositories?
[06:52] <yahalom> theine: -k Don't really shutdown; only send the warning messages to everybody. Isn't that right?
[06:52] <shnastybiznastic> apokryphos: and install them of course
[06:52] <theine> yahalom: well, depends on what you actually want
[06:52] <apokryphos> shnastybiznastic: not the repositories; the files *from* the repositories, yes. :)
[06:52] <yahalom> theine: -h  	Halt after shutdown.
[06:53] <shnastybiznastic> apokryphos: alright, thanks
[06:53] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell shnastybiznastic ubutweaking
[06:53] <Pyre> shnastybiznastic: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[06:53] <theine> yahalom: you're right, i guess those two options do make sense together
[06:53] <javiolo> has anyone tried bluesnarf ?
[06:53] <yahalom> theine: i want my pc to shutdown in 15 minutes and to send a warning to everyone telling them that it will shutdown, but then not really shutdown, just to see how it works
[06:54] <shnastybiznastic> thanks Pyre
[06:54] <cyfr0n> I think somebody should add ubuntuguide.org to the topic :)
[06:54] <yahalom> theine: i guess it not a common command. i need it for a network
[06:54] <theine> yahalom: what error message do you actually get when you issue the above command?
[06:55] <shnastybiznastic> alright everyone, I'll probably be back in after downloading and installing on her machine
[06:55] <shnastybiznastic> laters
[06:55] <theine> yahalom: do you get an error messsage?
[06:55] <UnbuntuBaby> anyone know how to boot into single user mode?
[06:55] <biezt> the installation keeps hanging at installing openoffice and now i'm in some kind of module manager
[06:55] <WeirdAl> Ooh, here's a question for you
[06:55] <biezt> what do i do now ?
[06:55] <WeirdAl> I'm on a 32-bit system at the moment.
[06:55] <yahalom> theine: i dont get an error message i get the shutdown options, as if the commands i gave are not in the options, but they are
[06:55] <WeirdAl> How hard would it be to convert to 64-bit Hoary when I get my A64?
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> backup your home. and reiinstall :P
[06:56] <theine> UnbuntuBaby: "sudo init 1" I guess
[06:56] <WeirdAl> Without doing that? :-p
[06:56] <theine> yahalom: not sure if i can help you, but look into the manpage
[06:56] <UnbuntuBaby> theine: from the login prompt?? at which point during startup do i type that?
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> o do like i did. get a new HD.. install 64bit version to it. keep home
[06:56] <yahalom> UbuntuBaby: sulogin
[06:56] <theine> UnbuntuBaby: you can type it any time you want
[06:57] <Dr_Willis> then when ya are sure its working good.. remve the 32 bit version
[06:57] <UnbuntuBaby> ...i mean is there anyway of jumping to terminal from the Username |[06:57] <yahalom> UbuntuBaby: theine: thanx
[06:57] <UnbuntuBaby> on OSX you can type >console and jump straight to single user mode, whats the equivalent in Ubuntu?
[06:57] <theine> UnbuntuBaby: but save your work before you do that...
[06:57] <queuetue> GAH! Can someone *please* explain how to make sound less fragile under linux?  I've been using linux as my primary desktop for 3 years, and as a server for more than 5, and I've *never* had sound work on a box for more than a few minutes.  Ubuntu is the first distro that sound worked out of the box, but as soon as a Gnome "system event" happens, all non-gnome sounds die.  I'm trying to get the x-lite softphone to work, but every time ubun
[06:57] <queuetue> tu makes a "bonk" noise to alert everyone in the room that I have clicked on a menu, it becomes useless until I reboot.
[06:57] <akk> UnbuntuBaby: ctl-alt-F2 should get you a console when you're at the login screen, too.
[06:57] <theine> UnbuntuBaby: sudo -s
[06:58] <theine> UnbuntuBaby: but that's not single user mode
[06:58] <theine> UnbuntuBaby: but maybe what you want...
[06:58] <WeirdAl> You're right, doc -- I'm gonna be getting a new disk aren't I? :-)
[06:58] <WeirdAl> OK crisis averted.
[06:58] <Twiggy> I get an error in totem when I try to play DVDs, "Cannot read resource dvd://" anybody know what's up?
[06:58] <queuetue> Is it a hardware issue?    But from ctl-alt-F2 you could try logging in as either yourself or root.
[06:59] <UnbuntuBaby> akk: ctrl-alt-f2 ill try, hrm...
[06:59] <WeirdAl> Twiggy: try kaffeine or xine for DVDs
[06:59] <WeirdAl> Also install libdvdcss2
[06:59] <theine> UnbuntuBaby: what is it that you want to do?
[06:59] <WeirdAl> I installed xine, then libdvdcss2 and had no problems.
[06:59] <akk> queuetue: Linux is usually better on old/cheap hardware, but sometimes not on brand new cheap hardware.
[06:59] <theine> akk: root login probably won't work...
[06:59] <UnbuntuBaby> wierd this is that a root enforced password is asking me to change my password, then what i go to do this
[07:00] <UnbuntuBaby> i get "too early to cahnge password"
[07:00] <Quinn_Storm> it really depends on the hardware, I have old but nice hardware that isn't fully supported (flaky usb controller)
[07:00] <queuetue> Dr_Willis, Do you use applications that use esd, arts, and direct hardware simultaneously?
[07:00] <UnbuntuBaby> could the clock be wrong?
[07:00] <theine> UnbuntuBaby: when do you get this error message?
[07:00] <akk> UnbuntuBaby: You can type date to see what it thinks the time is.
[07:01] <akk> (if you're logged in to a shell, anyway)
[07:01] <queuetue> "too early"?
[07:02] <UnbuntuBaby> exact pahraise im getting: "you much wait longer to change your password"
[07:02] <UnbuntuBaby> how much longer?!
[07:02] <kbrooks> lol
[07:02] <theine> UnbuntuBaby: which command gives you that error message??
[07:02] <queuetue> UnbuntuBaby, It says "you much wait longer"?  When you do what?
[07:03] <UnbuntuBaby> whan i log in using my username and password, the one i assigned a few nights ago on this laptop
[07:03] <UnbuntuBaby> i log in and i get You are required to change your password immediately (root enforced)
[07:03] <UnbuntuBaby> sounds okay, so i do
[07:03] <UnbuntuBaby> but as soon as i go to do this, i get
[07:03] <biezt> help me !! ~~
[07:03] <UnbuntuBaby> "you much wait longer to change your password"
[07:04] <queuetue> UnbuntuBaby, misspelled like that?
[07:04] <UnbuntuBaby> i think it might be my pram clock, but that shouldnt metter should it?!
[07:05] <queuetue> UnbuntuBaby, I think I'd reboot into single-user and remove whatever is giving you that message...
[07:05] <queuetue> With a hammer if necessary.
[07:05] <UnbuntuBaby> "you MUST wait longer to change your password", if i type any slower and neater my messages will be scattered all over the channel, then I wont know what i typed and where.
[07:06] <UnbuntuBaby> queuetue: sounds like a fun idea, but this is my favourite laptop you see
[07:07] <Bizzeh> ubuntu default install(er) doesnt suport scsi
[07:07] <nmsa> is someone using ubuntu to capture video from a camcorder? IEE1394? I am interested in that, hope that I can find a package, any idea where to start ?
[07:08] <UnbuntuBaby> heres another error i just got that i wasnt getting before: Authentication token manipulation error
[07:08] <yahalom> UnbuntuBaby,      "  Check whether the password management and the authentication management
[07:08] <yahalom> are using the same module for . If the authentication is using PAM Kerberos and
[07:08] <yahalom> password change is using PAM Unix then that can be a problem ."
[07:08] <jamin_> I just installed ubuntu (powerpc), used it for a while then restarted and it went back to osx. Now I try "Startup Disk" and osx doesnt recognize it so how would I boot back into ubuntu from osx?
[07:09] <UnbuntuBaby> jamin_: during reboot there should be a key command for G3 processors that lets you pick which OS you want to boot from
[07:10] <UnbuntuBaby> jamin_: its aside from the "Startup DIsk" section, which is OSX software related; its a firmware key command
[07:10] <UnbuntuBaby> ...heh, i know this one as its a Macintosh hardware question rather than a Linux qn! :)
[07:11] <alterim> can someone please help me with partitioning issue
[07:11] <Spicouc> hi people
[07:11] <jamin_> hmm, do you mean holding "alt" while you start up?
[07:12] <alterim> can someone please help me with partitioning issue
[07:12] <alterim> ???
[07:12] <UnbuntuBaby> holding the Option key, yeah, is that helping?
[07:12] <Spicouc> anyone ha've installed an USB wireless device?
[07:12] <jamin_> i'm going to try it, it's on a different computer btw ;)
[07:12] <alterim> can someone please help me with partitioning issue???
[07:12] <alterim> i am using partition magic on xp
[07:12] <UnbuntuBaby> jamin_ keep holding it till you get a dark grey screen with a very basic picture of the OS's you can choose from
[07:13] <alterim> need to figure out a decent partitoning scheme before i install ubuntu
[07:13] <alterim> anyone help?
[07:13] <UnbuntuBaby> jamin_: yeah same here, im in trillian via a x86 machine and working beside my G3 Bronze Powerbook
[07:13] <nmsa> alterim: go on ... ask your questions
[07:14] <UnbuntuBaby> Does anyone here knw what a Authentication token manipulation error is??
[07:14] <Spicouc> i need help, i'm trying to install an usb wireless device but i don't have any idea how to do it... anyone can help me
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. trying to  apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla   - but its not found.. added new hoary sources.. but is this perahs an amd64 issue? is there a flashplayer for amd64?
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> rereading the guide now.. perhaps i just missed somthing.
[07:15] <airox> Hi, is there some nice way to let ubuntu autodetect my hardware and change the configuration for it ?
[07:15] <WeirdAl> airox, it kind of should ...
[07:15] <airox> And is modconf not included in ubuntu ?
[07:16] <queuetue> airox, What kind of hjardware is it?
[07:16] <airox> WeirdAl, I installed ubuntu and know added a new sound card.
[07:16] <queuetue> airox, Most will "just work" or "never work" :)
[07:17] <airox> Well I have my C-Media snd card up (module cmpci) but it only uses 2 speakers somehow ...
[07:17] <jamin_> Unbuntubaby: I did that exactly, it only shows macintosh HD which is the option to go into osx. Then there is the arrow and the circle arrow, btw i'm on an imac g5 right now but using linux on an imac dv g3
[07:17] <queuetue> ...Don't get me started with sound support... :)
[07:17] <airox> *sigh* ;)
[07:17] <jamin_> let me try again...
[07:18] <airox> But is there modconf available for ubuntu ?
[07:18] <airox> Would be cool ;)
[07:18] <ubuntoid> Is there a way to install from the LiveCD?
[07:18] <UnbuntuBaby> jamin: theres another method as well, but you need the OSX boot disks to do it, do you have the OSX boot disks handy?
[07:20] <Lemonzest> that dhcp package been fix
[07:22] <Remda> moin
[07:22] <srv> I'm trying to install the KDE packages with Synaptic, but when I mark it for installation, it tells me a bunch of required files have unresolved dependencies then tells me to make sure I have all the correct repositories added.  When I go to: Settings -> Repositories, I have all of them checked.
[07:22] <srv> Anyone have any idea whats wrong?
[07:22] <airox> Is there somewhere alsaconf for ubuntu?
[07:22] <queuetue> srv, are you doing a dist-upgrade?
[07:23] <queuetue> srv, *have* you done a dist-upgrade would be a bettter question.
[07:23] <Roey> hmm
[07:23] <Roey> here's my experience with Ubuntu so far:
[07:23] <Roey> http://rafb.net/paste/results/jAi70M59.html
[07:23] <srv> Not sure what dist-upgrade is...I have a program I want to install thats meant for KDE
[07:23] <srv> so I figured, install the KDE packages
[07:24] <airox> Roey, So you like ubuntu.
[07:24] <mebaran151> anybody here having any problems with XMMS on amd64
[07:24] <mebaran151> mine isnt leaving any logs
[07:24] <mebaran151> or starting up
[07:24] <queuetue> Roey, This is your list of major problems?
[07:24] <mebaran151> it dies
[07:24] <mebaran151> but doesnt say whys
[07:24] <WeirdAl> I can't find my Photoshop CD ... does that count as an Ubuntu problem? ;-)
[07:25] <mebaran151> WeirdAl, yes
[07:25] <Dalkus> mebaran151, You tried running it in a terminal and checking what error it gives?
[07:25] <mebaran151> Ubuntu ihs been responsible for every major CD theft sine 1920
[07:25] <mebaran151> yeah
[07:25] <mebaran151> I start it from terminal
[07:25] <Roey> queuetue:  yes.
[07:25] <mebaran151> and seems to start
[07:25] <mebaran151> but nothing loads
[07:25] <mebaran151> it doesnt go to bash
[07:25] <Dalkus> no errors?
[07:25] <mebaran151> it just dies
[07:25] <queuetue> Roey, Seems like mostly non-issues.
[07:25] <mebaran151> well it just leaves sapce to type
[07:25] <Roey> airox:  "choose your poison."
 :P
[07:26] <mebaran151> if you thing that might the problem
[07:27] <UnbuntuBaby> thanks for that membaran151 :)
[07:27] <mebaran151> if you want recovery
[07:27] <mebaran151> Knoppix or Ubuntu LiveCD's are nice
[07:27] <queuetue> UnbuntuBaby, I'd get a live CD - boot with that and have a fully functional distro to 'fix' with.
[07:27] <UnbuntuBaby> its for a totally different install of Ubunto (Linux PPC ed.)
[07:27] <mebaran151> ah
[07:27] <UnbuntuBaby> Ubunto=Ubuntu
[07:27] <mebaran151> in the future
[07:27] <Dalkus> alterim, It's generally considerd better practice and safer to isntall onto MBR, chances of losing it are pretty slim unless you destroy it yourself... which probably wont happen
[07:27] <mebaran151> Ubuntu LiveCD's will also be install cd's
[07:27] <mebaran151> kind of like Kanotix
[07:28] <queuetue> Ubuntu's live cds arenen't install cds - not automated ones, anyway...
[07:28] <mebaran151> so taht one CD does all
[07:28] <mebaran151> queuetue, not yet
[07:28] <mebaran151> but they are trying to make it happen
[07:28] <MatthewJohn> it says i need to install samba for sharing to work, what package exactly is it? becuase there already is samba installed
[07:28] <mebaran151> whole bunchie
[07:28] <alterim> is there a difference at bootup, if i put GRUB not on the MBR?
[07:29] <mebaran151> you wont notice it unless you set things up in an interesting manner
[07:29] <alterim> surely windows would just boot up and ignore it in that case
[07:29] <mebaran151> no
[07:29] <mebaran151> you have to set up the windows boot manager
[07:29] <mebaran151> ntldr
[07:29] <mebaran151> to read that partition
[07:29] <mebaran151> and chainload
[07:29] <mebaran151> just put it on the mbr
[07:29] <Dalkus> It's alot easier to use MBR.
[07:29] <mebaran151> it is easier
[07:29] <mebaran151> much
[07:29] <Spicouc> jo q rancis q sou la veritat
[07:30] <bodhi> how can i know if my serial port is working properly?
[07:30] <Dalkus> There any chan rules in here?
[07:30] <qball> Spicouc: you rang?
[07:30] <qball> bodhi: more info please
[07:30] <qball> bodhi: you know setserial?
[07:30] <Bizzeh> still gotta love how on first boot of ubuntu, it downloads random files of the internet without asking me
[07:31] <bodhi> qball: i want to configure a Irda in my serial port
[07:31] <bodhi> qball: no
[07:32] <qball> bodhi: owh..  you have a serial dongle? or you connect to the sir connector on youre motherboard?
[07:32] <Dalkus> Bizzeh, they arn't random.... they are updates that save you from vunrabilities :)
[07:32] <gyo> hi
[07:32] <Spicouc> qball rang?
[07:32] <Bizzeh> Dalkus: still, would be nice if it asked me
[07:32] <qball> bodhi: darn.. I have to go...
[07:32] <Bizzeh> instead of just doing it
[07:32] <qball> Solatis: you said q a few times :D
[07:33] <qball> Spicouc: darn wrong trigger...  Q triggers here.
[07:33] <Solatis> qball: ?
[07:33] <qball> Solatis: sorry wrong autocomplete metn Spicouc
[07:33] <bodhi> qball: opppps
[07:33] <Solatis> oh wrong person
[07:33] <Solatis> :)
[07:33] <qball> Spicouc: q triggers my "name" trigger
[07:33] <qball> but I have to run.
[07:33] <bodhi> qball: i got a serial dongle
[07:33] <samuella> Hi
[07:34] <qball> bodhi: if you set the right bitrate and uart mode with setserial it "should" work.
[07:34] <folta> hey people, anyone know how to get ndiswrapper on amd64?
[07:34] <qball> bodhi: but sorryI hvae to run.
[07:34] <folta> its not in th repositories
[07:34] <Spicouc> uff i lose it
[07:34] <WeirdAl> How can I use bittorrent from the command line?
[07:34] <UnbuntuBaby> anyone know what text editor comes with the basic command line shell on the Ubuntu bootable CD?
[07:34] <bodhi> qball: no problem, qball, than you anyway
[07:34] <WeirdAl> Anyone at all
[07:34] <WeirdAl> Starting from "sudo apt-get" and working up
[07:34] <Dalkus> UnbuntuBaby, vim is installed
[07:34] <samuella> I have a couple of questions, one, I can't seem to figure out how to work with an rpm package. I'm not on red hat, so i'm wondering exactly which files do which.
[07:34] <UnbuntuBaby> I need to access the passwd file so I can make some changes see
[07:35] <UnbuntuBaby> VIM! Sweet :)
[07:36] <UnbuntuBaby> '/bin/sh: vim: not found
[07:36] <javiolo> anyone here uses bluez ?
[07:36] <Spicouc> sorry i only wanted to know how i can install something but no one can help me
[07:36] <queuetue> UnbuntuBaby, I've never seen a standard *ix install without vi ... other than SCO.
[07:37] <UnbuntuBaby> this is running off the CD rom here, i thought thered be some Unstuff utility, like the Mac cds etc.
[07:37] <snooo> i recently tried an install of woody x86 to my second HD partition, but found that it wrecked my HDs partition information, leaving my WinXP installation unbootable. was this a common problem? can it be avoided?
[07:37] <tritium> UnbuntuBaby, there should be either vi or nano, or both
[07:37] <queuetue> UnbuntuBaby, like gunzip + tar ?
[07:37] <ubuntoid> UnbuntuBaby, have vim on the live cd I'm running on
[07:37] <tritium> Spicouc, what's the problem?
[07:37] <theantix> snooo: was it the 0x7 error message problem?
[07:38] <snooo> theantix: explain?
[07:38] <Spicouc> i want to install an usb wireless device
[07:38] <theantix> snooo: what was the error message in booting xp?
[07:38] <queuetue> UnbuntuBaby, or do you really want to unpack one of those dumb .sit files that people keep mailing me?
[07:38] <aspuru> snooo: did it end up installing lilo or grub?
[07:38] <snooo> Glib wouldnt boot at all
[07:39] <calc> does universe not get autobuilt?
[07:39] <snooo> sorry
[07:39] <wijsneus> question: is there any way to specify the hostname of an ubuntu live session?
[07:39] <UnbuntuBaby> queuetue: an aside point, any idea what the pwd command does?
[07:39] <snooo> grub would boot into ubuntu
[07:39] <snooo> but not into XP
[07:39] <ubuntoid> UnbuntuBaby, Print Working Directory
[07:39] <queuetue> UnbuntuBaby, prints the working directory?
[07:39] <snooo> when i deleted the partition, any attempt to boot into XP came up with "NTLDR missing"
[07:39] <queuetue> wijsneus, man hostname
[07:39] <WeirdAl> No one's used command-line bittorrent?
[07:39] <snooo> when i tried to repair it it just acted strange
[07:39] <tritium> wijsneus, I think there might be.  Explore the information given by the function keys at boot for details.
[07:39] <snooo> i've only just now fixed it
[07:40] <snooo> would like to have ubuntu on here but not if its going to fuck the hard drive again
[07:40] <tritium> WeirdAl, do you have it installed?
[07:40] <mebaran151> anybody having silly xmms problems on AMD64
[07:40] <WeirdAl> I think so.
[07:40] <WeirdAl> I installed ...
[07:40] <tritium> WeirdAl, dpkg -L bittorrent, and look for which files it comes with.
[07:40] <WeirdAl> Wait, let me check
[07:40] <queuetue> mebaran151, I have heard of them reported, but remember no details - check the forums.
[07:40] <snooo> theantix: cant quite remember, sorry. might recognise it if i saw a list...
[07:40] <wijsneus> tnx - i have a broadband connection from @home, and it wont give me my connection unless i specify the host :)
[07:41] <UnbuntuBaby> onto the list of available commands I have to work from on the CD:
[07:41] <WeirdAl> tritium, the list is massive
[07:41] <tritium> WeirdAl, also, whenever you have questions about a program you have installed, check its documentation in /usr/share/doc/<package>
[07:41] <Spicouc> tritium can u help me with my problem?
[07:41] <WeirdAl> Ah, didn't know about share/dox
[07:41] <WeirdAl> c
[07:41] <tritium> WeirdAl, so pipe it into less: dpkg -L bittorrent | less
[07:41] <WeirdAl> yeah, I can scroll it :-)
[07:41] <UnbuntuBaby> when i typed help i got the following list of commands...
[07:42] <WeirdAl> I see the docs. Cool, I'll read them.
[07:42] <tritium> Spicouc, sorry, I have no experience with USB networking devices
[07:42] <tritium> WeirdAl, okay.
[07:42] <snooo> any ideas at all?
[07:42] <Dalkus> Spicouc, http://www.computing.net/linux/wwwboard/forum/26217.html   might help you
[07:42] <theantix> snooo: I am just wondering if it is the 0x7 issue... see this  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-330.html
[07:42] <tritium> WeirdAl, all packages have their documentation in /usr/share/doc/<package>
[07:43] <WeirdAl> Right! I'll note that down
[07:43] <WeirdAl> Mentally
[07:43] <folta> does anyone know what to do about ndiswrapper on an amd64 system? if i get the package installed it should be fine, but i can't find it anywhere
[07:43] <tritium> :)
[07:43] <Spicouc> thnx tritium
[07:43] <tritium> Spicouc, yeah, sorry I can't be more help.
[07:43] <UnbuntuBaby> break, cd, chdir, continue, eval, exec, exit, export, false, hash, help, let, local, pwd, read, readonly, return, set, shift, times, trap, true, type, ulimit, u mask, unset, wait
[07:43] <mebaran151> folta, ndiswrapper is useless on amd64
[07:43] <mebaran151> because we need 64 bit drivers
[07:43] <tritium> folta, I'm told it won't build on amd64
[07:43] <Spicouc> 've u a friend who can help me?
[07:43] <mebaran151> it probably will build
[07:43] <folta> ouch
[07:43] <Dalkus> Spicouc, http://www.computing.net/linux/wwwboard/forum/26217.html   might help you
[07:44] <snooo> theantix: sounds exactly right....
[07:44] <Dalkus> Spicouc, google is your friend
[07:44] <UnbuntuBaby> membaran151, akk or anyone else, would that list of commands help me fix the passwd file?
[07:44] <mebaran151> hahaha
[07:44] <tritium> mebaran151, apparently not even build
[07:44] <ubuntoid> UnbuntuBaby, vipw
[07:44] <mebaran151> you mangled the passwd file
[07:44] <mebaran151> tritium, they are working on a new version
[07:44] <mebaran151> that will work under 64 bits
[07:44] <mebaran151> the problem is
[07:44] <tritium> mebaran151, yep
[07:44] <Dalkus> UnbuntuBaby, whats up with your passwd file?
[07:44] <Spicouc> jajaja i know my friend google
[07:44] <UnbuntuBaby> ubunoid, the list of commands i potsed earlier is all i can use.
[07:44] <mebaran151> that there is no Windows 64 bit drivers
[07:44] <theantix> snooo: well try the advice I posted in reply to that :-)
[07:44] <ubuntoid> Didn't see a list, sorry...
[07:45] <tritium> yep
[07:45] <UnbuntuBaby> Dalkus, keeps saying i have to change my user password (root enforced) soulds simple enough
[07:45] <UnbuntuBaby> but when i go to do this, i keep getting
[07:45] <Dalkus> So why don't you? :)
[07:45] <ubuntoid> UnbuntuBaby, Tried "passwd" ?
[07:46] <Dalkus> What command are you using?
[07:46] <UnbuntuBaby> "you must wait longer to change your password"
[07:46] <bob_> hi! can I migrate my thunderbird mail and settings from a windows machine to a linux machine?
[07:46] <bob_> when I just copy the Thunderbird dir to .mozilla-thunderbird it says thunderbird is locked when I try to start it...
[07:46] <Dalkus> UnbuntuBaby, is it your system? (can you use root?)
[07:46] <UnbuntuBaby> Dalkus: passwd: not found im rstricted to the following short-list commands from the Boot CD:
[07:46] <snooo> theantix: the only solution i can see is to restore the original partition :-/
[07:46] <UnbuntuBaby> break, cd, chdir, continue, eval, exec, exit, export, false, hash, help, let, local, pwd, read, readonly, return, set, shift, times, trap, true, type, ulimit, u mask, unset, wait
[07:47] <snooo> which is what i've done...
[07:47] <mebaran151> bob_, was your thunderbird running when you copied the files
[07:47] <theantix> snooo: set your hard disk to LBA in the bios
[07:47] <Dalkus> You don't need a bootCD to fix that problem
[07:47] <Bazzi-> haha gnometris owns
[07:47] <Dalkus> you just need root, and to change a setting that im trying to find for you
[07:47] <bob_> mebaran151, I don't think so but I guess I have to start up windows again and also check if it's the same version. running 1.0 on ubuntu..
[07:47] <snooo> ok, cheers
[07:48] <nmsa> someone had a problem befor playing a DVD with totem, I need a solution too please
[07:48] <mebaran151> libcvss2 I think
[07:48] <bob_> mebaran151, shouldn't it be a file called "lock" or something like in firefox?
[07:48] <mebaran151> sometimes it is just random hash stuff
[07:48] <UnbuntuBaby> Dalkus, how do i get in as root user though? if i cant log in as myself or anyone for that matter, howam i supposed to fix stuff??
[07:48] <mebaran151> but lock sounds good
[07:48] <mebaran151> or thunderbird_user.0
[07:49] <Dalkus> Good point :P
[07:49] <Dalkus> a sec
[07:49] <zenrox> damnit gnome takes forever to load
[07:49] <ubuntoid> What is jigdo in the download list?
[07:50] <tritium> nmsa, libdvdcss2 is on ftp.nerim.net (Marillat repo)
[07:50] <bob_> mebaran151, ok can't find any *.0 though
[07:50] <mebaran151> hmm
[07:50] <tritium> ubuntoid, it's a way to assemble a .iso from .debs
[07:50] <tritium> ubuntoid, it reduces load on the cdimage servers
[07:51] <ubuntoid> tritium, Ah, danke
[07:51] <ubuntoid> I downloaded the LiveCD and like it, thought I'd try a full install... but there appears to be no short path
[07:51] <tritium> ubuntoid, short path?
[07:52] <ubuntoid> i.e. a way to install a system from the Live CD
[07:52] <ubuntoid> a la Knoppix
[07:52] <tritium> ubuntoid, not yet, no
[07:52] <falkar> hi
[07:52] <robertj> ubuntoid: download the install cd and run it
[07:53] <tritium> ubuntoid, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[07:53] <robertj> might want to wait 1.5 weeks for the final release though
[07:53] <ubuntoid> tritium, Okay, thank you... Full ISO coming down now.  And I will be able to do a full upgrade when the release version comes out?
[07:53] <tritium> ubuntoid, you can update and upgrade in the meantime as well
[07:53] <ubuntoid> Okay, first time on a debian-ish system...  have to learn all the new commands for package management
[07:54] <tritium> ubuntoid, there's an apt-howto that can be installed.
[07:54] <Seveas> ubuntoid, that's not difficult
[07:54] <Seveas> updates are downloaded automagically
[07:54] <zyga> can anyone confirm that docs.python.org is down?
[07:54] <Seveas> and take one click to install
[07:54] <ubuntoid> Fair enough... CD will be done in 20 minutes.. then the fun starts
[07:54] <Seveas> zyga, the python sites are overloaded afaik
[07:54] <tritium> zyga, are you the one that was talking about G5 laptop rumors?
[07:55] <ubuntoid> Hope it recognizes as much hardware as the LiveCD did :)
[07:55] <Seveas> ubuntoid, it will probably recognize more :)
[07:55] <tritium> ubuntoid, the hardware detection is unified, so it should
[07:55] <Seveas> tritium, not completely true
[07:55] <ubuntoid> Good... it recognized the wifi card in this laptop, MDK didn't
[07:55] <ubuntoid> ANd the video ain't bad...
[07:56] <Seveas> ubuntoid, nvidia or ati?
[07:56] <ubuntoid> Is there a way to save settings with the liveCD?
[07:56] <Seveas> ubuntoid, no not yet
[07:56] <Seveas> also something that is being worked on
[07:56] <tritium> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UnifiedHardwareDetection/
[07:56] <ubuntoid> Seveas, Okay, I saw something for the Brazilian crowd, but I couldn't read it
[07:57] <ubuntoid> Seveas, Actually, it's a Gateway laptop, think it has Intel video
[07:57] <zyga> tritium: hmm?
[07:57] <Seveas> tritium, it says exatly that the process is not completely unified :)
[07:57] <tritium> zyga, I guess not... ;)
[07:57] <zyga> tritium: I said some time ago on #ubuntu-devel that there are none g5 laptops yet
[07:58] <Burgundavia> anybody else having issues with locales being generated?
[07:58] <tritium> zyga, Oh, okay.
[07:58] <zyga> Burgundavia: issues/
[07:58] <tritium> Seveas, you're referring to Warty then?
[07:58] <Seveas> tritium, no hoary too
[07:58] <Burgundavia> zyga: .LC_ADDRESS: `country_ab2' value does not match `country_num' value
[07:58] <Burgundavia> LC_ADDRESS: `country_ab3' value does not match `country_num' value
[07:58] <Burgundavia> being having it for several days
[07:59] <Seveas> although it is now limited to X (according to that page)
[07:59] <Burgundavia> every time it tries to set up locales 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13
[07:59] <Seveas> hardware detection sometimes gives me different results though
[07:59] <zyga> Burgundavia: didn't see them, what locale is that?
[07:59] <Burgundavia> zyga: this is the auto-regen when you set up a new locales package
[07:59] <tritium> Seveas, X aside, then.  No need to nitpick
[08:00] <Seveas> hardware detection sometimes gives me different results though <==
[08:00] <Seveas> hmm wait
[08:00] <zyga> Burgundavia: I've recently installed *all* locales
[08:00] <Seveas> that was a warty livecd
[08:00] <zyga> Burgundavia: didn't have a problem though
[08:00] <Seveas> sorry tritium, you were right
[08:00] <Burgundavia> zyga: ok, just looking for other people who might have had the same issue
[08:00] <tritium> no problem ;)
[08:00] <Benjamin_L> is there a way to set the translation for lets say nautilus to another language manually ?
[08:01] <alterim> how do i use the ubuntu installer partitioner to create a 5gb ext3, a 1gb swap, and the rest fat32 with /home on it?
[08:01] <zenrox> i hate this
[08:02] <tritium> zenrox, hate what?
[08:02] <kbrooks> svn rules. not.
[08:02] <kbrooks> :PO
[08:02] <zenrox> gnome takes forever to load like 5 mins
[08:02] <tritium> zenrox, you have something wrong then
[08:02] <zenrox> no menus
[08:02] <zenrox> i know but what
[08:02] <zenrox> i dont want to have to reinstall
[08:02] <tritium> not sure
[08:03] <zenrox> tho that is an option
[08:03] <tritium> zenrox, have you checked log files?
[08:03] <zenrox> not yet
[08:03] <Seveas> alterim you dont want that
[08:03] <zenrox> cant get to them at the moment tho
[08:03] <Seveas> you do not want linux to use fat32
[08:03] <tritium> alterim, lots of us have only installed the one time, and can't recall the exact procedure.  The partioner isn't too difficult, though.
[08:04] <zenrox> witch loog should i check
[08:04] <zenrox> trans_err,
[08:04] <Insanitary> Hi
[08:04] <zenrox> err tritium
[08:04] <Magick> I was thinking of switching from mandrake. is it hard to do?
[08:04] <Insanitary> I was wondering if someone could help me
[08:05] <tritium> zenrox, the first one I'd check is /var/log/Xorg.0.log (if Hoary) or /var/log/XFree86.0.log (if Warty)
[08:05] <biezt> something went wrong with installing ubuntu :|
[08:05] <zenrox> tritium,  it is hoary
[08:05] <biezt> i now am in text mode without gui, how do i install gui ?
[08:05] <tritium> zenrox, ok
[08:05] <biezt> apt-get what ?
[08:05] <tritium> biezt, how did the install fail?
[08:05] <tritium> biezt, ubuntu-desktop for gnome
[08:05] <Seveas> biezt, looko at #ubuntu-nl
[08:05] <Seveas> i've answered your question there :)
[08:06] <tritium> kubuntu-desktop for KDE
[08:06] <Insanitary> I am using a Lucent winmodem, and I am currently on windows XP. now, I have tried using mandrake before, but it told me that the modem was not supported. Now, i tried buing several other modems, but i just got the same ting over and over. Now, i want to ask. Will a Lucent winmodem work with Ubuntu?
[08:06] <r1c0> Hello everyone
[08:06] <zenrox> tritium,  nothen out of the ordinay thare
[08:06] <r1c0> who can i disturb with a question about Totem?
[08:06] <Twiggy> Mmmkay trying Xine to play a DVD I get this error: libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable.  What can I do to fix that?
[08:06] <tritium> zenrox, it's a big file.  Did you check it carefully
[08:07] <zenrox> yep
[08:07] <zenrox> noten failed
[08:07] <Seveas> Insanitary, check linmodems.or
[08:07] <Seveas> org
[08:07] <nmsa> how to install a deb package ? pls  ...
[08:07] <zenrox> every thang loaded according to plan
[08:07] <Seveas> nmsa, dpkg -i filename.deb
[08:07] <tritium> Twiggy, check ubuntuguide.org or search the wiki/FAQ for restricted formats
[08:07] <nmsa> gpt it
[08:07] <Burgundavia> nmsa: sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[08:07] <Seveas> r1c0, just ask :)
[08:07] <r1c0> Seveas: ty :)
[08:08] <r1c0> Do you know how to get divx to work with totem?
[08:08] <Insanitary> ok, if i download the live CD and boot from it, will I be able to see if it works with a Winmodem?
[08:08] <Seveas> apt-get install w32codecs
[08:08] <exalted> hi there. after a "hoary (preview) server" installation, to obtain a <<base>> window environment (gnome) what i have to install as packages? (This process is essential, otherwise default Ubuntu installation freezee) Thanks.
[08:08] <Seveas> r1c0, you need to enable universe and marillat repositories first though
[08:08] <r1c0> i'll look
[08:09] <Seveas> exalted, install the ubuntu-desktop package
[08:09] <exalted> Seveas: this installs the whole desktop environment, which freeze thx to a package.
[08:09] <tritium> exalted, which package?
[08:10] <exalted> tritium: i don't remember exactly, puf, maybe that was, "gstream" something like that.
[08:10] <zenrox> Mar 26 11:08:57 localhost kernel: keyboard.c: can't emulate rawmode for keycode 240
[08:10] <zenrox> Mar 26 11:08:57 localhost kernel: keyboard.c: can't emulate rawmode for keycode 240  <---wound that slow the load on gnome
[08:10] <zenrox> thats the syslog
[08:11] <saik0> how does one restore grub after installing windows. I changed the bootable flag to my /boot partition but I guess that was'nt enough
[08:11] <r1c0> Seveas, in my sources.list i can enable the universe repo, but i can't see marillat, how do i enable that?
[08:12] <Seveas> add this:
[08:12] <Seveas> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[08:12] <r1c0> okay
[08:12] <hybrid> Hey yall
[08:12] <pablo928> saik0:check www.ubuntuguide.org for detailed instructions
[08:13] <IRCMonkey> Is there going to be configuration program for pptp-client included in the ubuntu cd? Now there is only the client :(
[08:13] <exalted> tritium, Seveas: what do you say?
[08:13] <Seveas> exalted, dunno, describe the freeze
[08:13] <Seveas> where/when does it happen
[08:13] <tritium> exalted, can you give us more information about the package, and what you mean by "freeze"?
[08:14] <zzyber> im using fglrx driver with ubuntu xorg and i have direct rendering on but......When i try to run something with cedega i get "Cant initialize directdraw"?? What does this meen?
[08:14] <Seveas> zzyber, directdraw is windows stuff
[08:14] <zzyber> is it possible to enable directdraw for dglrx?
[08:14] <Seveas> what is cedega?
[08:14] <stealth_> cedega is like wine but made for games
[08:14] <Seveas> ah
[08:14] <stealth_> helps emulate DirectX stuff
[08:14] <zzyber> Seveas, from transgaming, a windows emulator
[08:14] <Seveas> well, sounds like a cedega problem then
[08:15] <zenrox> tritium,  i found something in dmesg and ill put it in #flood
[08:15] <Seveas> because that should handle directdraw
[08:15] <esher> have now some nice benq 231w 23" tft on my ubuntu, but the old 15" tft settings,
[08:15] <Insanitary> Hi. Can you please tell me what modems you guys use?
[08:15] <esher> how can i resetup xorg ?
[08:15] <Insanitary> Please
[08:15] <zzyber> Seveas, probably a cedega problem but maybe someone here know this problem
[08:15] <apokryphos> esher: nice ;)
[08:15] <Seveas> esher, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:15] <apokryphos> esher: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:15] <esher> tnx :D
[08:15] <apokryphos> (if you're on xorg)
[08:15] <zenrox> tritium,  thats all i found
[08:16] <saik0> pablo928, ah thanks aot, I checked there but I was looking in the wrong section
[08:16] <tritium> zenrox, that's normal.  I have that too
[08:16] <zenrox> ok
[08:16] <stealth_> anyone good at these flgrx drivers?
[08:16] <zenrox> thats wot i thought
[08:16] <stealth_> it looks like i installed em right
[08:16] <stealth_> becuz my monitor is at max settings like windows
[08:16] <stealth_> but 3d aint working well..
[08:16] <Insanitary> Hello? Please. because I am trying desperetly to get a modem that wil work with linux, and I cannot find one. ::(
[08:17] <zenrox> tritium,  so ill have to reinstall to fix it casue no logs are giving me errors or strange output
[08:17] <stealth_> get DSL ;)
[08:17] <apokryphos> Insanitary: I recommend just getting a router
[08:17] <stealth_> no, check for some external modems, suposely those work best
[08:17] <exalted> tritium: Seveas: The very "default" installation goes well, and installs the base system, then a regular reboot, and begin to update the packages list, and according to do this continue to install rest of the system (from cd or from internet if necessary), when turn comes to "gstream...blah blah" package installation freeze, and nothing happens, an infinite operation on CPU, it gets warm up,...
[08:17] <exalted> ...but nothing, not any input responds, the end is hard shutdown.
[08:17] <tritium> zenrox, not necessarily.  We just haven't found the problem yet.
[08:17] <zenrox> tritium,  and it ant coming up in the logs
[08:17] <Seveas> exalted, odd
[08:18] <pablo928> Insanitary:I'm using a D-link DCM-200 with no problems on warty or hoary
[08:18] <exalted> Seveas: tell me about it :)
[08:18] <zenrox> so that means what ever it is it loads propery just takes forever
[08:18] <Insanitary> thank you
[08:18] <pablo928> Insanitary:My hardware problems have been with routers
[08:18] <Seveas> exalted, try installing totem-gstreamer now
[08:19] <Seveas> and if that works, install ubuntu-desktop
[08:19] <UnbuntuBaby> anyone here know hw to use Knoppix?
[08:19] <zenrox> tritium,  or what ever is makeing it take for ever to load (progam etc...) it dont fail
[08:19] <Seveas> if it doesn't work: install totem-xine
[08:19] <Seveas> and then ubuntu-desktop
[08:19] <UnbuntuBaby> im trying to fix my passwd file, seems to have become corrupted see.
[08:19] <tritium> zenrox, anything in ~/.xsession-errors ?
[08:19] <Insanitary> I ahve been told that there are not many applications availible for linux, like windows apps. i.e. DVD ripers and stuff liekt hat. is that true?
[08:19] <tritium> UnbuntuBaby, on an ubuntu system?
[08:19] <Seveas> Insanitary, no
[08:20] <tritium> Insanitary, there are ~ 15,000 available
[08:20] <apokryphos> Insanitary: No. You have much better/easier access to programs than you do in Windoze.
[08:20] <apokryphos> all at the typing of a command
[08:20] <UnbuntuBaby> tritium, yeah password file seems to have screwed up (?!0
[08:20] <megabyte405> or the opening of Synaptic
[08:20] <zenrox> tritium,  pasting to #flood
[08:20] <Insanitary> yes...but the typing of the command thing is the tricky part.
[08:20] <exalted> Seveas: i don't want to install the whole desktop environment, i need just the base gnome, then i'll decide what to install what not. I don't like totem. Don't you have an idea to do this, cuz "ubuntu-desktop" installs everything?
[08:20] <pablo928> Insanitary:And most applications are free
[08:20] <Insanitary> Why does linux have to be so......c o m p l i c a t e d
[08:20] <Seveas> install the package gnome
[08:21] <megabyte405> Insanitary:  it's not neccessary.  I've installed a lot of stuff on my new Ubuntu system, just with Synaptic
[08:21] <UnbuntuBaby> i got the following error even when i tried loggin in from single user mode: (one sec fetching error)
[08:21] <Seveas> Insanitary, it is not
[08:21] <apokryphos> Insanitary: not tricky at all; very simple. But there are GUI front-ends for it anyway
[08:21] <Seveas> Insanitary, it is just d i f f e r e n t
[08:21] <megabyte405> It's not complicated.  People here are used to doing it the old-fashioned complicated way.
[08:21] <randabis_> I don't think linux is that compilcated at all
[08:21] <apokryphos> Insanitary: It isn't; it's just a different OS so it requires getting used to.
[08:21] <UnbuntuBaby> "you must wait longer to change your password"
[08:21] <randabis_> I get work done much easier on linux than I do on windows
[08:21] <apokryphos> UnbuntuBaby: have you googled?
[08:21] <zenrox> thare tritium
[08:21] <Insanitary> ok
[08:21] <megabyte405> Insanitary:  install Ubuntu, then try using Synaptic to update and install applications.
[08:22] <Insanitary> well, i suppose that i can sacrifice a few features
[08:22] <megabyte405> Insanitary:  you might want to check the greyed out lines in the "Repository" menu item, so you hvae access to all the apps
[08:22] <UnbuntuBaby> i log in normally and i get "You are required to change your password immediately (root enforced)"
[08:22] <megabyte405> Insanitary:  usually that's not even the case
[08:22] <apokryphos> Insanitary: or Kpackage if you're using KDE.
[08:22] <UnbuntuBaby> apokryphos:noe not yet, will do though...
[08:22] <tritium> zenrox, do you eventually get into gnome?  You might try saving your session on the next logout.
[08:22] <randabis_> I must say, KDE 3.4 rocks
[08:22] <apokryphos> rocks my socks
[08:22] <randabis_> indeed
[08:22] <zenrox> tritium,  yes i eventuly get a full gnome
[08:22] <Insanitary> It is just than when i was using mandrake, i could not navigate my way around. Because there is no C drive lettering. Everything was stored in wierd places.
[08:22] <zenrox> ok
[08:23] <pablo928> Insanitary:check out www.ubuntuguide.org for help installing some of the common packages
[08:23] <randabis_> the linux file hierarchy is actually much more organized and logical than the windows file hierarchy
[08:23] <tritium> Insanitary, it's just different, that's all.
[08:23] <megabyte405> Insanitary:  It's just a little different.  You can store everything on your desktop and "Home" folder, which is like My Documents.
[08:23] <randabis_> It's different, and more logical :)
[08:23] <megabyte405> (Under the Computer (Warty) or Places (Hoary) menu)
[08:24] <Insanitary> what is this haory and warty thing?
[08:24] <jack|h> Anyone have an idea on why dns lookups are suddenly taking forever on my computer?  It seemed like this started after the last batch of updates i ran.
[08:24] <apokryphos> Insanitary: Warty is the latest "stable" version of Ubuntu. Hoary is the latest "in developement" distro.
[08:24] <jack|h> (but of course, they're not necessarily connected)
[08:24] <randabis_> warty is the first official ubuntu release, hoary is/will be the second official release
[08:24] <Insanitary> ah....
[08:24] <apokryphos> Insanitary: Though hoary is technically "in developement", the majority of the community is using it. It has all the latest apps.
[08:25] <Insanitary> well, i am currently downloading warty.
[08:25] <tritium> Insanitary, http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/
[08:25] <Insanitary> The live CD version
[08:25] <randabis_> hoary rocks my socks :)
[08:25] <Insanitary> I want to see if my Lucent Winmodem will work with Linux
[08:25] <megabyte405> Insanitary:  that's fine for a demo, but if you have the computer and hd space, I'd suggest installing.
[08:25] <esher> ( Multimedia ) Video Card: nVidia Corporation NV15 [GeForce2 GTS/Pro]  [ Screen Resolution: 1600x1200 pixels / 24 Bits | DRI:  ]  | Sound Card: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM  | CD-RW: ATAPI DVD+RW 8X4X12
[08:25] <Insanitary> It did not work with mandrake, but maybe it will with Ubuntu
[08:26] <tritium> Insanitary, you can also install debian-policy, and read that for more info on the filesystem heirarchy
[08:26] <megabyte405> Your lucent winmodem will work, not the most elegantly to start, but it will work.
[08:26] <randabis_> Insanitary, I'd recommend trying the hoary live cds. If I understand correctly, they are much more polished than the original warty live cd
[08:26] <apokryphos> Insanitary: Warty is good, but the apps are basic and dated. You might consider upgrading after.
[08:26] <megabyte405> Yes, try the Hoary livecd.
[08:26] <ubuntoid> Okay, install CD done...  Let's see if I can get it to work :)
[08:26] <Insanitary> ok
[08:26] <Insanitary> i will then download hoary
[08:27] <randabis_> good call
[08:27] <megabyte405> (How do I easily associate exe with wine in gnome?)
[08:27] <Insanitary> wait a minute
[08:28] <Insanitary> hoary is not on the ftp download list: ftp://ftp.is.co.za/linux/distributions/ubuntu/cdimage/releases/4.10/release/]
[08:28] <Insanitary> sorry: ftp://ftp.is.co.za/linux/distributions/ubuntu/cdimage/releases/4.10/release/
[08:28] <megabyte405> Right.
[08:28] <megabyte405> It is/will be 5.04
[08:28] <randabis_> Insanitary, you should be in 5.04
[08:28] <megabyte405> just visit ubuntulinux.org and look at the link for Hoary Preview
[08:28] <Insanitary> oh.....ok.
[08:28] <Insanitary> i see
[08:28] <Seveas> Insanitary, substitute /4.10/release for /5.04/release
[08:29] <Insanitary> ok
[08:29] <mebaran151> anyone have xmms problems in AMD64
[08:29] <mebaran151> no terminal error
[08:31] <punjab12> ubuntu hoary rc1 will rock
[08:31] <Insanitary> ok
[08:31] <Insanitary> i am now downloadin the live cd.
[08:31] <Insanitary> if i like it i will install....yay....
[08:32] <mebaran151> anybody got the ideas?
[08:32] <zenrox> tritium,  that dint help
[08:32] <mebaran151> also if I wanted to do a clean install
[08:32] <Insanitary> oh...by the way...you guys in here sound like computer experts, and i was wondering if youcould join my new site
[08:32] <tritium> zenrox, sorry...
[08:32] <mebaran151> how could I have it write out package list
[08:32] <mebaran151> so I could just apt-get them in one
[08:32] <mebaran151> hit
[08:32] <Insanitary> its about open source
[08:33] <tritium> mebaran151, list of what?
[08:33] <apokryphos> mebaran151: erm, what?
[08:33] <Seveas> membran, ALL available packages?
[08:33] <apokryphos> You couldn't install all, as there are conflicts
[08:33] <Insanitary> i need admins who can post the latest news on linux and the newest open source app and so forth
[08:33] <apokryphos> if you're looking to install ubuntu, then ubuntu-base is what you want.
[08:33] <zenrox> tritium,  so something is truly messed
[08:33] <Seveas> you can list all installed packages with dpkg --get-selections
[08:34] <Seveas> Insanitary, lol, there are enough sites like that already
[08:34] <tck> any option with printers under linux to clean nozzles and print heads etc..
[08:34] <Seveas> don;t waste your time
[08:34] <biezt> make ur personal experience page !! :P
[08:34] <Insanitary> i hav many pages
[08:34] <biezt> don't make a news site, or microsoft will h4ck u !!
[08:34] <calvin> ok, just took the plunge and dist-upgraded to Hoary
[08:34] <tritium> zenrox, it's hard to tell what's going on
[08:34] <Insanitary> www.virtualhogwarts.co.za <- my first website i ever made
[08:34] <calvin> now nvidia isn't working
[08:35] <mebaran151> my xmms died on AMD64
[08:35] <mebaran151> without any clues
[08:35] <mebaran151> not even terminal errors
[08:35] <calvin> nv is fine, but no luck with nvidia
[08:35] <mebaran151> it just doesnt show a window
[08:35] <biezt> omg a harry potter site !! u should use windows noob !!
[08:36] <biezt> whahahaha harry potter is for kindergarten !!
[08:36] <biezt> j/k
[08:36] <tritium> calvin, check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors.  Make sure "nvidia" module is loaded
[08:36] <Insanitary> well...i like harry potter....
[08:36] <apokryphos> :|
[08:36] <dave> mebaran151 i had to re install the nv drivers
[08:36] <mebaran151> for xmms?
[08:36] <biezt> j/k means just kidding P
[08:36] <calvin> the nvidia module was loading
[08:36] <mebaran151> I am using nvidia
[08:36] <Insanitary> it may not be the most fanciful of sites...but it was my first one
[08:36] <Kirsch> Are there any articles about Optimizing my linux install?
[08:36] <tritium> calvin, lsmod verified that?
[08:36] <theantix> gah, is there any reason why hoary's OOo has reverted to the non-gnome fileselectors?
[08:36] <biezt> it looks great for a first site :P
[08:36] <calvin> but then i removed and reinstalled nvidia-kernel-common and associated stuff
[08:37] <calvin> and now it's not even starting
[08:37] <tritium> theantix, do you have openoffice.org-gtk-gnome installed?
[08:37] <Seveas> Insanitary, you can hardly say that you created it, you just installed some php scripts....
[08:37] <Insanitary> please....can someone PLEASE tell me of an ISP that does not include "Port-shapping" in the fine print?
[08:37] <theantix> tritium: yes I checked that
[08:37] <mebaran151> Insanitary, what is port shaping
[08:37] <mebaran151> it sounds rather interesting
[08:37] <mebaran151> just curious
[08:38] <Insanitary> yes. i did install php scripts. but that is not the point. The point is that it is a creative work.
[08:38] <Seveas> mebaran151, it's when you take an axe and reshape your internet connection :)
[08:38] <tritium> calvin, you have nvidia-glx and linux-restricted-modules installed?
[08:38] <Kirsch> tritium: what about for oo2?
[08:38] <mebaran151> Seveas, I am so into that
[08:38] <Insanitary> Post shaping makes donwloads on a P2P network go slowly
[08:38] <mebaran151> I use an axe all the time
[08:38] <Kirsch> i'm using hoary
[08:38] <megabyte405> mebaran151:  Traffic shaping, probably.  It means that you are limited in bandwidth for certain apps (like, say, decrease bandwidth to KaZaA)
[08:38] <mebaran151> yeah
[08:38] <tritium> Kirsch, openoffice.org2-gnome
[08:38] <randabis_> hmm..this is a little odd...whenever things in the kde menu are moused over, the transparency effects go away and the mouseover stays
[08:38] <mebaran151> I get that now
[08:38] <calvin> yeah, no "nvidia" in lsmod
[08:38] <mebaran151> the axe idea sounded better
[08:38] <tck> any option with printers under linux to clean nozzles and print heads etc..?
[08:39] <tritium> calvin, you need to load it.  Place it in /etc/modules
[08:39] <calvin> also no "nv" in lsmod for some reason
[08:39] <tritium> for now, modprobe nvidia.
[08:39] <calvin> it tries to load it on bootup, and says "Ok"
[08:39] <calvin> although the asterick is red
[08:39] <mebaran151> calvin, nv isnt a kernel module
[08:39] <mebaran151> it is an internal X thing
[08:39] <calvin> oh ok
[08:39] <mebaran151> the only reason I think nvidia is a seperate module
[08:39] <tritium> but nvidia is a kernel module in linux-restricted-modules
[08:39] <calvin> yes, "nvidia" is in /etc/modules
[08:40] <lobo_nz> I moved my CDRW from hdc to hdd, my fstab is changed but it is no longer auto mounted is there a nautilus setting somewhere I have to change aswell?
[08:40] <mebaran151> is because they cant put in straight into X or else they would have to open source
[08:40] <tritium> calvin, please verify that you have linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[08:40] <Kirsch> ok, that works now, what about the file menus? the font is different than its ever been, i never changed it, (but its just OO2)
[08:40] <Insanitary>  is there some or other place where i could see screenshots of ubuntu?
[08:40] <Seveas> lobo_nz, is it  still "auto" in fstab?
[08:40] <tritium> Insanitary, www.ubuntu.com has a link somewhere
[08:40] <Insanitary> yeah.
[08:41] <Insanitary> i am looking for that link, but not seeing it
[08:41] <lobo_nz> Seveas, yes, I just updated the hdc to hdd
[08:41] <tritium> Insanitary, click on About Ubuntu, then Screenshots
[08:41] <dmoyne> is ANT available as as binary with Ubuntu ?
[08:41] <calvin> uname -r gives me "2.6.10-5-686"
[08:41] <apokryphos> Insanitary: there are several on the site (use the search), but here's some of mine: www.youmortals.com/stuff/ubuntu
[08:41] <tritium> calvin, you need a matching l-r-m
[08:41] <Seveas> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/screenshots/document_view
[08:41] <Insanitary> thanks
[08:41] <Seveas> dmoyne, not yet
[08:42] <Seveas> dmoyne, I beleive that it is about to be, it has been fixed recently
[08:42] <Echylo> does firefox has a quicktime plugin?
[08:42] <megabyte405> Who needs help with their NVidia?
[08:42] <tritium> calvin, do you have it?
[08:42] <Seveas> check #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-moto for details, the ubutu java wikipages can help too
[08:42] <Insanitary> no
[08:42] <Insanitary> Firefox does not
[08:42] <megabyte405> I jsut got mine going last night, works great, used the instructions on www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:42] <Echylo> damn
[08:43] <dmoyne> to Seveas : maybe it is a good opportunity to compilke my first app under "/usr/local" !
[08:43] <Seveas> lol dmoyne :)
[08:43] <Seveas> have fun
[08:43] <calvin> i have "linux-restrict <IP_ADDRESS>-8"
[08:43] <tritium> calvin, it needs to match your kernel version exactly
[08:43] <megabyte405> calvin:  did you try the ubuntuguide.org instructions?
[08:43] <tritium> i.e., you need to sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[08:43] <Seveas> calvin, install the linux-686 package
[08:44] <Seveas> that will keep your kernel and modules up to date and in sync
[08:44] <dmoyne> to seveas : from time to time I did complile some apps with Mandrake : GIMP, XSANE etc...
[08:44] <Seveas> ant is different
[08:44] <Seveas> ant is java
[08:45] <calvin> ok, changing my version of linux-restricted-modules
[08:45] <dmoyne> you mean you install it as" Java jre" directly in "/usr/local" ?
[08:45] <tritium> calvin, good.  It can't hurt to have linux-686 as Seveas suggests
[08:45] <calvin> i have a question though.  i have an athlon 1800
[08:45] <calvin> not sure why i have 686 module
[08:45] <Seveas> no dmoyne you need the configure & make dance
[08:45] <tritium> calvin, what processor do you have?
[08:46] <Seveas> but you must have java installed before trying that
[08:46] <Echylo> so there is no possibility to watch quicktime in here Insanitary ?
[08:46] <calvin> athlon xp 1800
[08:46] <Insanitary> How does one install exe files in linux? I tried, but the app would not allow me to select anything beyond the C:/ drive, wich did nto even exist. I used Wine.
[08:46] <Seveas> Insanitary, you need to configure wine first
[08:46] <Echylo> Seveas I don't think so
[08:46] <calvin> ok, i'll be back in a moment.  guess i'll see if the new version fixes the problem.
[08:46] <apokryphos> Insanitary: what are you trying to install?
[08:46] <Echylo> it worked fine here
[08:46] <calvin> thx guys
[08:46] <Insanitary> how?
[08:46] <tritium> calvin, hold on
[08:46] <calvin> ok
[08:46] <tritium> calvin, you don't want 686 then
[08:47] <Seveas> Echylo, ubuntu packages or winehq?
[08:47] <Echylo> ubun
[08:47] <calvin> i had k7 before the dist-upgrade
[08:47] <Seveas> calvin, than install linux-k7
[08:47] <dmoyne> ok maybe I will try this tomorrow ; I have another question : with my 17" monitor I switched to 1024 x 768 resolution ; now I have to make fonts with Gnome apps bigger ; how to do it ?
[08:47] <Insanitary> well, i did not install something now, but it came to mind. The thing is, i wanted to install a game. but yeah.
[08:48] <Seveas> dmoyne, system -> preferences -> font
[08:48] <calvin> ok, i installed linux-image-2.6.11-1-k7
[08:48] <dmoyne> seveas, ok but I have to relog a session with Gnome ?
[08:49] <calvin> but it doesn't remove the 686 package
[08:49] <calvin> how do i make sure it loads this one?
[08:49] <Seveas> dmoyne, no idea, never done it myself :)
[08:49] <tritium> calvin, you can remove the 686 stuff
[08:49] <Seveas> calvin, when you boot your system, select the k7 kernel
[08:49] <tritium> calvin, get linux-k7 so it pulls in l-r-m
[08:49] <megabyte405> Insanitary:  wine creates a fake C just for windows apps in your home directory.
[08:49] <megabyte405> but try using just Linux ones first.  You'll have a much better time
[08:50] <dmoyne> seveas thanks
[08:50] <Keizer> I've got Universe setup, do I just apt install java?
[08:50] <tritium> Keizer, not that easy due to Sun's restrictions on java
[08:51] <Keizer> Noooooo
[08:51] <Keizer> Those demons
[08:51] <tritium> Keizer, you're best off installing java-package, then downloading sun's .bin, and using java-package to build your own java .deb
[08:51] <Keizer> They have the RPM for download on their site.
[08:51] <megabyte405> Keizer:  ubuntuguide.org has the nice info.
[08:51] <Insanitary> ok  i am going to go now. And i want to thank you guys for all the help you gave me. Thanks a lot. Greaty apprecieted. Well, i hope it will be greatly apprecieted since this coming from a 14 yr old....lol
[08:51] <Keizer> I'm at the Ubuntu guide site.
[08:51] <tritium> Keizer, don't use the .rpm -- build your own .deb instead
[08:52] <megabyte405> Keizer:  search for java
[08:52] <Insanitary> i will reccomend ununtu on all 6 of my sites
[08:53] <apokryphos> :P
[08:53] <WeirdAl> Is there something I have to do after running apt-get install wine in order to get wine to jump in when I double-click an exe?
[08:53] <mebaran151> oh
[08:53] <mebaran151> uh
[08:53] <mebaran151> that is hard
[08:53] <WeirdAl> Log out and in again
[08:53] <WeirdAl> ?
[08:53] <tritium> megabyte405, the java info on ubuntuguide is less than ideal
[08:53] <mebaran151> I dont like mime types
[08:53] <mebaran151> they usually fail
[08:53] <zenrox> tritium,  gnome only hangs after the splash is finished
[08:53] <apokryphos> WeirdAl: you'll likely have to sort file associations with .exe. Not sure how to do it in Gnome; someone else may know.
[08:53] <mebaran151> so what I do is just build a little script or something
[08:53] <megabyte405> tritium:  ahh.  OK, then, I jsut saw it, never mind.
[08:54] <mebaran151> or just type wine your.exe
[08:54] <tritium> megabyte405, it's preferrable to have software you install under package-management of apt
[08:54] <mebaran151> just put in the wine
[08:54] <mebaran151> it doesnt take that much extra work
[08:54] <megabyte405> Right, that I know.  I jsut thought there was no alternative there.
[08:54] <tritium> megabyte405, java-package can build a .deb from Sun's .bin
[08:54] <WeirdAl> OK
[08:55] <calvin> so, when i reboot is it going to boot my new kernel by default or do i have to edit grub?
[08:55] <megabyte405> What I really want  to know is, where did my cool mouse cursors go when I upgraded to Hoary?  The stock gnome waiting watch thing is rather disgusting.
[08:55] <megabyte405> tritium:  really?  Slick!
[08:55] <calvin> now that i've installed the k7 kernel
[08:55] <tritium> megabyte405, yep
[08:55] <tritium> calvin, and restricted-modules, I hope
[08:56] <tritium> calvin, seriously, to avoid problems, just install linux-k7
[08:56] <calvin> ok, here goes nothing
[08:56] <tritium> calvin, had you not installed l-r-m yet?
[08:56] <calvin> i did sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.11-1-k7
[08:56] <calvin> and...
[08:56] <calvin>  sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-k7
[08:57] <tritium> calvin, oh, that's part of your problem
[08:57] <tritium> 2.6.11 is not a supported kernet yet
[08:57] <mebaran151> calvin, wrong kernel
[08:57] <calvin> which should i use
[08:57] <tritium> calvin, linux-k7 will take care of all
[08:57] <tritium> 2.6.10-5
[08:57] <mebaran151> a modprobe -f MIGHT work
[08:57] <mebaran151> but if it breaks
[08:57] <mebaran151> dont come yealling to me
[08:57] <Roey> can anyone help me install a kernel module package (specifically, the "wacom" kernel module)
[08:58] <tritium> Roey, didn't crimsun help you with that late last night or early this morning
[08:58] <tritium> ?
[08:58] <calvin> ok, i did sudo apt-get install linux-k7
[08:58] <tritium> calvin, yes
[08:58] <Grock> any ubuntu net install??
[08:58] <calvin> it didn't remove anything though, which makes me a little nervous
[08:58] <tritium> calvin, it won't
[08:58] <calvin> does that take care of restricted?
[08:59] <Roey> I edit debian/rules and specify under 'kdist' to --enable-hid, --enable-wacom, --enable-mousedev, and --enable-usbmouse.  But when it compiles, it gives a weird error and then decides not to build anything!!!
[08:59] <tritium> calvin, it depends on it
[08:59] <Roey> tritium:  early this morning but I forgot to build wacom.ko and now the thing just doens't compile /at all/.
[08:59] <calvin> ok, looks like i already had it
[08:59] <Roey> I am 100% lost.
[08:59] <ob1kenobi> I've lost my volume manager on the panel! and can't be able to add it from applets list..
[08:59] <calvin> so anything else, or should i try to reboot?
[08:59] <tritium> calvin, it has to match your kernel version exactly
[09:00] <tritium> if it's a match, you can reboot into your new k7 kernel
[09:00] <calvin> yes, i have the exact match installed
[09:00] <calvin> 2.6.10-7
[09:00] <Grock> is it possible to install ubuntu and have the installer use the most current ubuntu from the Internet?
[09:00] <WeirdAl> :-( wine sucks
[09:00] <Seveas> Grock, yes
[09:00] <ob1kenobi> Grock, yes
[09:00] <calvin> along with a bunch of other kernels
[09:00] <Grock> how can I go about doing that?
[09:01] <tritium> calvin, ok
[09:01] <Seveas> Grock, the installer will ask you if you want to download from the internet
[09:01] <ob1kenobi> Grock, just install. it does it by hinself
[09:01] <Seveas> yust answer yes to that
[09:01] <WeirdAl> I can't figure out how to install stuff... does anyone know if there's a wine IRC channel somewhere?
[09:01] <tritium> WeirdAl, the one on winehq, along with winetools works quite well
[09:01] <WeirdAl> Is that different from the one I installed from the repository?
[09:01] <Keizer> Ubuntu makes my life complete.
[09:01] <WeirdAl> (not sure which repository it came from, mind you)
[09:01] <tritium> WeirdAl, yes, plus you can get winetools which is really helpful
[09:01] <ob1kenobi> no help on my volume audio icon?
[09:02] <WeirdAl> Ah right
[09:02] <Grock> for Hoary CD it grabs from CD and I can't choose,  Are you Talking about warty or hoary cd?
[09:02] <WeirdAl> This is probably why it's not working very well.
[09:02] <tritium> WeirdAl, http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb
[09:02] <Seveas> ob1kenobi, it's called volume-control
[09:02] <ob1kenobi> Grock, it installs the base system, but at the end it upgrades to the last one
[09:02] <Seveas> don't you see it or are you just unable to add it?
[09:03] <ob1kenobi> Seveas, both. I don't see and I'm not able to add
[09:03] <Grock> I get an error when I try to configure timezone
[09:03] <ubuntoid> Well, that was relatively painless :)
[09:04] <ubuntoid> um, is there a default root password for new installs?
[09:04] <Seveas> no
[09:04] <Seveas> ther is no root password
[09:04] <Seveas> ubuntu uses sudo
[09:04] <ubuntoid> So what password do I use for the tools under System?
[09:04] <Seveas> your own
[09:04] <tritium> your own
[09:04] <Dalkus> You can enable root if you like
[09:05] <WeirdAl> Is it possible to run i386-arc. programs on a 64-bit arc. installation?
[09:05] <ob1kenobi> Seveas, any idea for my volume control?
[09:05] <Grock> is there a way to enable internet sharing in ubuntu? say from Airport connection to Ethernet?
[09:05] <Seveas> ob1kenobi, not really
[09:06] <tritium> Grock, yes
[09:06] <ubuntoid> Seveas, So if there are multiple users, do they all have access to these tools?
[09:06] <Seveas> Grock, there is, but it's not easy. But meybe firestarter can handle it. Can anybody confirm?
[09:06] <Seveas> ubuntoid, no
[09:06] <apokryphos> ubuntoid: only if it's enabled for them.
[09:06] <tritium> ubuntoid, not by default.  Only the first user created
[09:06] <Seveas> only if you give them access
[09:06] <ubuntoid> Dalkus, Okay, thanks... I guess I have some things to get used to
[09:06] <ubuntoid> Okay, thank you
[09:06] <ubuntoid> Interesting
[09:06] <Grock> tritium, how can i set it up?
[09:06] <Dalkus> ubuntoid, I wasn't too happy about using sudo
[09:07] <Dalkus> but I quite like it now
[09:07] <Seveas> see also http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:07] <Dalkus> if you want to run soemthign as root, just put sudo infront of the command
[09:07] <Dalkus> then type your user password when it asks
[09:07] <Dalkus> easy as pie
[09:07] <megabyte405> 3.141592653589
[09:07] <Seveas> thats \pi
[09:07] <ubuntoid> Dalkus, I configure sudo on all the systems I manage, but I'm not used to having to use it from the start
[09:07] <Seveas> not pie :)
[09:08] <tritium> Grock, there's info in the forums.  Search the forums for internet sharing
[09:08] <Grock> ok
[09:08] <Seveas> tritium, do you know whether it uses firestarter (i'm just curious)?
[09:08] <Dalkus> ubuntoid, im not too sure how much good it is for security, but its not annoying.
[09:09] <tritium> Seveas, which?  The internet sharing?  It's not required, no.
[09:09] <Seveas> Dalkus, sudo is much more secure than having people know the root password
[09:09] <Seveas> with sudo you can make more fine-grained access control to root-only stuff
[09:09] <Seveas> tritium, thnx
[09:09] <Dalkus> But if they crack your user account, your skrewed
[09:09] <e_machinist> How is everyone?
[09:09] <ob1kenobi> #ubuntu-it
[09:09] <tritium> Seveas, :)
[09:09] <megabyte405> Dalkus:  only if they also know your passwd
[09:10] <Roey> Seveas:  that said, the traditional UNIX security model is somewhat lacking in fine-grained control of 'capabiiites'
[09:10] <megabyte405> Dalkus:  if they just hijack an app, they don't know that, so they can't elevate to sudo
[09:10] <tritium> Dalkus, but they have to guess your user account name
[09:10] <Seveas> Roey, indeed
[09:10] <Roey> Seveas:  *'capabilities'
[09:10] <Dalkus> true
[09:10] <tritium> Dalkus, it's harder than already knowing "root
[09:10] <Roey> Seveas:  but I hear this argument so many times,
[09:10] <Seveas> i like a model with roles and capabilities a lot
[09:10] <Dalkus> brb
[09:10] <Roey> Seveas:  and apparently there are now at least two frameworks (well, three, countin PAM):  grsec and selinuix
[09:10] <e_machinist> Are we arguing about the way that Ubuntu handles root capabilities through the user account?
[09:10] <Roey> *selinux
[09:10] <e_machinist> haha.
[09:11] <calvin> ok, nvidia module is loading now
[09:11] <tritium> calvin, good :)
[09:11] <Roey> Seveas:  but it's way too complicated for me.
[09:11] <Seveas> Roey, that's too low level for a lot of things :)
[09:11] <Seveas> e_machinist, not arguing
[09:11] <tritium> calvin, you're in X.org now?
[09:11] <Seveas> just discussing :)
[09:11] <calvin> yes
[09:12] <e_machinist> heh.
[09:12] <tritium> calvin, yay :)
[09:12] <calvin> but had to go back to nv
[09:12] <calvin> nvidia still won't load
[09:12] <calvin> i mean work
[09:12] <tritium> you just said it would
[09:12] <Roey> Seveas:  I just want named capabilities (as a user) so that I can say, "Ok, let Maria from Marketing access this file, let Harry from HR print on this printer, let Oscar open his OpenVPN virtual ethernet device"
[09:12] <calvin> it shows up in lsmod, i mean
[09:12] <Roey> Seveas:  on windows I have the same problem with OpenVPN
[09:12] <tritium> calvin, let's take another look at your /var/log/Xorg.0.log, and also your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:12] <Roey> Seveas:  is your nick SaveAs originally?
[09:12] <calvin> yes, just a sec
[09:12] <tritium> calvin, if you can paste it on pastebin.com, that will help
[09:12] <Seveas> Roey, that is something i like too, using UNIX groups you can achiee some of this model
[09:13] <Seveas> roey, nu
[09:13] <Roey> Seveas:  nu?
[09:13] <Seveas> no*
[09:13] <Seveas> it is Seveas
[09:13] <Roey> Seveas:  *oh*, what a difference, nu->no ;)
[09:13] <Seveas> yeah
[09:13] <Roey> Seveas:  what is it from, your nick?
[09:13] <ubuntoid> Dalkus, it's great for giving some folks access to root commands without giving them the root password, but it'll take some getting used to in this setting
[09:13] <ubuntoid> What if one needs to run a series of commands as root?
[09:13] <ubuntoid> e.g.
[09:13] <Seveas> don't know anymore
[09:13] <apokryphos> sudo -s
[09:13] <calvin> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found)
[09:13] <Seveas> i think some random elf-like nickname generator
[09:13] <ubuntoid> Well that was wild
[09:13] <tritium> calvin, okay, I think that's easy to fix
[09:14] <Sensebend> I have a problem (running hoary) whenever I try and type forward slash or question mark it shows up as a french character e (with an accent)
[09:14] <Seveas> Sensebend, are you canadian?
[09:14] <Sensebend> how do I change my keymap
[09:14] <tritium> calvin, please put your xorg.conf on pastebin.com and I'll check it
[09:14] <Sensebend> yes I am :)
[09:14] <Seveas> i knew it :0
[09:14] <Seveas> ubuntu-installer thinks all canadian people have french keyboards :)
[09:14] <Sensebend> as if the *.ca didnt give me away
[09:14] <Seveas> system -> preferences -> keyboard
[09:15] <ubuntoid> Okay, well now it's installed, just need to figure out how to update and manage it :)
[09:15] <Seveas> i didn't look, Sensebend  :)
[09:16] <calvin> ok, just a second.  thanks tritium.
[09:17] <tritium> calvin, ok
[09:17] <Sensebend> it works now
[09:17] <Sensebend> thanks
[09:17] <calvin> ok, it's there
[09:17] <Sensebend> if I want to type french I just use the extended ascii codes for the characters
[09:17] <e_machinist> Warty Warthog.... Hoary Hedgehog... somebody in the creative department is crying for help.
[09:17] <Sensebend> I have an english keyboard though
[09:17] <tritium> calvin, URL?
[09:17] <e_machinist> haha
[09:18] <diana> How can I make my PEAP/EAP work even if I dont need a certificate, cuz in windows the server asks me for the certificate himlesf
[09:18] <Sensebend> made using the shell hard
[09:18] <Seveas> diana, are you using xsupplicant?
[09:18] <calvin> so i'm using the same config file that i was before with Warty
[09:18] <diana> yeah
[09:18] <diana> bu
[09:18] <calvin> which was working then
[09:18] <calvin> of course that was XFree86
[09:18] <Seveas> diana, set all certificate parameters to None
[09:19] <diana> Seveas, ok lets try that
[09:19] <tritium> calvin, you can't use the same config.  Warty uses XF86Config-4, and Hoary uses xorg.conf
[09:19] <tritium> calvin, please give me the URL to your xorg.conf
[09:19] <calvin> i also tried dpkg-reconfigre
[09:19] <tritium> on pastebin
[09:19] <Seveas> diana, that should be NONE
[09:19] <Seveas> all caps
[09:19] <calvin> http://www.pastebin.com/263081
[09:19] <tritium> calvin, wrong file
[09:19] <tritium> calvin, that's XF86Config-4
[09:20] <calvin> yeah, that's the one i've been trying
[09:20] <calvin> the one i'm using at the moment is using nv
[09:20] <tritium> calvin, wrong one
[09:20] <diana> Seveas, whats the difference between wpa_supplicant and xsupplicant
[09:20] <tritium> calvin, please paste xorg.conf and give me the URL
[09:20] <Seveas> wpa_supplicant can handle wpa
[09:20] <diana> Seveas, I dont seem to really understand how the work toghetheer
[09:20] <Seveas> xsupplicant cannt
[09:21] <diana> Seveas, ok ,so for peap xsupplicant is good enough
[09:21] <Seveas> if you use peap/eap without wpa you do not need wpa_supplicant
[09:21] <Seveas> xsupplicant is better documented (and thus easier to configure)
[09:21] <diana> Seveas, so for root_dir and root_cert i set them to none or comment them out...
[09:21] <Magick> How hard is it to change from Mandrake 10.1 to ubuntu? Thanks
[09:22] <apokryphos> Magick: not too hard; Ubuntu is pretty accessible.
[09:22] <grogoreo> hi
[09:22] <Seveas> diana, yes
[09:22] <apokryphos> Magick: if you're a KDE user, go for the Kubuntu installation.
[09:23] <grogoreo> I have Warty but want to update to Hoary can I do this via adding Hoary repositories?
[09:23] <Seveas> grogoreo, yes
[09:23] <calvin> tritium, it's at http://www.pastebin.com/263082
[09:23] <Seveas> just change all occurences of 'warty' in /etc/apt/surces.list to hoary
[09:24] <calvin> i just did dpkg-reconfigure, so this is what it comes up with
[09:24] <grogoreo> Seveas, great thank you!
[09:24] <Grock> tritium, how can i set it up internet sharing the forums don't help?
[09:24] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell grogoreo ubuhoary
[09:24] <Pyre> grogoreo: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[09:24] <grogoreo> Seveas, is there any chance this may muck up linux in any way (im new to APT)
[09:24] <calvin> want me to try it real quick, see if it works?
[09:24] <calvin> it wasn't working before...
[09:24] <tritium> yes
[09:24] <grogoreo> Pyre, thanks will have a look
[09:24] <calvin> ok, just a second
[09:25] <tritium> Grock, I haven't done so myself.
[09:25] <ubuntoid> Are there other repositories from 'contrib'-type software for ubuntu?
[09:25] <Grock> tritium, ok so how do you know it's possible?
[09:25] <tritium> Grock, because I do
[09:26] <tritium> it's a capability of linux
[09:26] <tritium> ubuntoid, yes, universe and multiverse
[09:26] <Grock> so is it in the kernel
[09:26] <hybrid> hey tritium
[09:26] <Grock> masquerading
[09:26] <tritium> Grock, and there is information on the forums
[09:26] <tritium> yes
[09:26] <tritium> hi hybrid
[09:26] <Grock> I saw info but only questions
[09:27] <Seveas> grogoreo, if you do this and then apt-get dist-upgrade you will have a hoary install
[09:27] <Grock> no "answers" that led to a resolution
[09:27] <apokryphos> I see that when downloading from mirrors (the ISO, I guess), the sources.list is automatically altered. Is this right?
[09:27] <hybrid> can i run rpm's on ubuntu?
[09:27] <tritium> hybrid, you shouldn't
[09:27] <tritium> but you can
[09:27] <apokryphos> hybrid: you can converted to .debs and run, yes. Not recommended.
[09:27] <apokryphos> *convert
[09:27] <hybrid> i knew it aint the best but i dont see a skype .deb but i am still lookin
[09:28] <abelli> ciao
[09:28] <Seveas> ciao
[09:28] <apokryphos> Well anyhow, it seems to me that the sources.list automatically with the local mirrors do not have the Multiverse repo (not even as commented).
[09:28] <megabyte405> hybrid:  one is in synaptic
[09:28] <abelli> i can't use the microphone even if the volume is the highest, what's wrong?
[09:28] <megabyte405> I remember seeing one.
[09:29] <hybrid> o ok thanks
[09:29] <tritium> megabyte405, hybrid no, apt-cache search skype won't find anything
[09:29] <megabyte405> Ah, wait, nevermind, saw it on ubuntuguide.org, not synaptic
[09:30] <Magick> thanks for the Kubuntu info. I was a bit fearful of leaving kde!
[09:30] <apokryphos> Magick: no need to ;-). And 3.4 is in the repositories. First distro to. :)
[09:31] <Bazzi> yeah 3.4 seems to work smoothly here
[09:31] <randabis_> Magick kubuntu rocks :) It brought me back to kde
[09:31] <apokryphos> randabis_: xfce before?
[09:31] <randabis_> yeah, and gnome
[09:31] <alterim> kde is naff compared to gnome
[09:32] <apokryphos> ahem
[09:32] <black_nightmare> hey there
[09:32] <Magick> what is naff?
[09:32] <Seveas> alterim, please don't start another kde vs. gnome flame :)
[09:32] <randabis_> I humbly disagree...kde 3.4 pwns gnome 2.10 :)
[09:32] <alterim> no flame
[09:32] <apokryphos> Magick: colloquialism for "rubbish", basically.
[09:32] <randabis_> but that's a discussion for another channel
[09:32] <Seveas> randabis_, it's a matter of taste
[09:32] <randabis_> I agree
[09:32] <Seveas> personally i hate kde
[09:32] <alterim> i just think in terms of design, and i'm a designer, gnome shits on kde from a great height
[09:33] <Lukas> evening, im getting this error while trying to install locales - Generating locales...
[09:33] <Lukas>   en.ISO-8859-1...cannot open locale definition file `en': No such file or directory
[09:33] <alterim> wether it's technically better or not i don't know
[09:33] <black_nightmare> any of you know if there is any apt-get for qemu?
[09:33] <apokryphos> I just think in terms of design, kde is better than gnome from a great height.
[09:33] <alterim> how?
[09:33] <alterim> look at kde peoples desktops
[09:33] <mackid> gnome is better...
[09:33] <megabyte405> KDE looks like a fragile plastic toy.
[09:33] <apokryphos> It's aesthetically pleasing. That suffices.
[09:33] <Dalk-food> apokryphos, I used to think that... but now i dont think so
[09:33] <apokryphos> (For me)
[09:33] <alterim> they are so tacky; like drum and bass cd covers
[09:33] <megabyte405> but that's another matter.
[09:33] <Dalk-food> if you install some nice themes, it can look stunning
[09:33] <Magick> Having used both I see it as kde is for ex MS people and gnome is more for ex mac people.
[09:33] <apokryphos> megabyte405: I'm sorry it looks like that for you.
[09:33] <Seveas> black_nightmare, qemu is in ubuntu universe
[09:33] <alterim> with all these thermomiters and crap
[09:33] <apokryphos> alterim: yeah, sure.
[09:34] <mackid> Magick, well, that's why i like GNOME
[09:34] <megabyte405> apokryphos:  lol.  Don't worry.  My only expereince recently has been Knoppix, and it works for what I need it to.
[09:34] <black_nightmare> umm where was that again seveas?
[09:34] <Magick> They both work unlike other systems I used to use.
[09:34] <apokryphos> megabyte405: Heh. KDE on Knoppix isn't too nice.
[09:34] <randabis_> Personally I don't find KDE all that similar to windows
[09:34] <megabyte405> Where is my autoconf macro directory?
[09:34] <Seveas> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[09:34] <alterim> anyway
[09:34] <alterim> can someone tell me how to install ndiswrapper?
[09:34] <Dalk-food> apt-get ?
[09:34] <Lukas> evening, im getting this error while trying to install locales - Generating locales...   en.ISO-8859-1...cannot open locale definition file `en': No such file or directory
[09:34] <Seveas> alterim, apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[09:34] <Magick> Yes but if you added more blue screens it would be a lot like ms
[09:35] <alterim> on a machine with no net connection?
[09:35] <mackid> hahah
[09:35] <megabyte405> Lukas:  did yu just upgrade to hoary?
[09:35] <randabis_> ndiswrapper is in /lib/modules already, but you need ndiswrapper-utils to actually use it
[09:35] <megabyte405> It changes locals.
[09:35] <Lukas> megabyte405, yes
[09:35] <megabyte405> locales.
[09:35] <alterim> it is?
[09:35] <apokryphos> There's an article on the wiki about it
[09:35] <Lukas> could you please point me to it?
[09:35] <Seveas> alterim, download the ndiswrapper-utils deb
[09:35] <alterim> i thought it was odd they included ndiswrapper-utils but not ndiswrapper
[09:35] <megabyte405> I remember seeing something about that, warning about the locale change.  Install locale-en or something, I don't remember where it was.
[09:36] <Seveas> and use a usb stick oslt to transfer it to that machine
[09:36] <black_nightmare> seveas do you know if ram upgrades would be autodetected right away or I'll have to change some configuration manually?
[09:36] <alterim> Seveas, isn't ndiswrapper-utils already on the ubuntu 5.04 install?
[09:36] <black_nightmare> sorry if thats a dumb question heh
[09:36] <Seveas> alterim, i don;t know
[09:36] <alterim> as far as i know it is. it's certainly unchecked in the package manager
[09:36] <Seveas> you could try
[09:36] <tullyan> hi
[09:36] <tullyan> anyone there
[09:36] <tullyan> ?
[09:36] <randabis_> ndiswrapper-utils should be checked
[09:36] <Seveas> modprobe ndiswrapper to get it working
[09:36] <alterim> i mean i have just this moment installed the default install of 5.04
[09:36] <apokryphos> tullyan: /list
[09:36] <tullyan> ?
[09:36] <megabyte405> Lukas:  Step 3 in Post-Upgrade
[09:37] <megabyte405> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[09:37] <apokryphos> tullyan: that's a yes :)
[09:37] <tullyan> ok ok
[09:37] <Seveas> black_nightmare, it is autodeteced (there is not much to change in the config)
[09:37] <alterim> so surely someone can tell me exactly what to do to get it running?
[09:37] <black_nightmare> seveas..ty just wanted check anyhow
[09:37] <tullyan> i need some help
[09:37] <randabis_> alterim, check the wiki
[09:37] <tullyan> i have some trouble with my networking in ubuntu since yesterday!
[09:37] <Seveas> alterim, download the windows drivers, run ndiswrapper -i on the .inf file
[09:37] <black_nightmare> seveas that  link you gave me just has five folders...nothing else
[09:37] <black_nightmare> where do I go?
[09:37] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell alterim ubundiswrapper
[09:37] <Pyre> alterim: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[09:37] <_d4vid> hi all
[09:37] <tullyan> hi
[09:37] <kkathman> good day all :)
[09:37] <Seveas> black_nightmare, which link?
[09:38] <black_nightmare> seveas the one to archives.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[09:38] <jeramey> hello, all
[09:38] <tullyan> does anyone know s.th. about the linux (ubuntu) networking
[09:38] <black_nightmare> umm..drop the 's' sorry
[09:38] <black_nightmare> damn typing
[09:38] <kkathman> Would anyone hazard a guess as to why my tar command refuses to work all of a sudden?
[09:38] <megabyte405> Out of hydrocarbons?
[09:38] <kkathman> lol
[09:39] <Seveas> black_nightmare, you should add that line to /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:39] <WillCooke> Hello all.  Question:  I'm going to try and install Ubuntu on an old (v. old) laptop of mine that doesnt boot from CD, there's no BIOS update to allow it to boot from cd.  How can I install Ubuntu??!
[09:39] <tritium> calvin, what is that?
[09:39] <randabis_> it stops working in what way?
[09:39] <Seveas> and use synaptic to install qemu
[09:39] <calvin> it's for direct chat
[09:39] <Lukas> megabyte405, ill be so happy if it works, let me see
[09:39] <calvin> at least, that's what i think it is...
[09:39] <kkathman> seriously I downloaded a couple of tar.gz programs, and did a sudo tar xvz on them, and the line just sits there and does nothing?
[09:39] <megabyte405> Lukas:  in fct, try all the post-install stuff there... it should do well.
[09:39] <Seveas> WillCooke, search the wiki for netboot install (if your machine can netboot)  or ask [nrx]  about floppy install he did it that way)
[09:40] <calvin> so, i tried and got the same thing
[09:40] <randabis_> kkathman, do xvzf not just xvz
[09:40] <WillCooke> seveas, no NIC, so I'll ask nrx thanks
[09:40] <megabyte405> kkathman:  suck it up and use the gui?  Beats me.  Is it installed?
[09:40] <calvin> want to see my log file?
[09:40] <black_nightmare> seveas you know if debian downloads work well on ubuntu or is it sometimes not always easy to just download and add it?
[09:40] <jeramey> Is anyone running Ubuntu on a PowerMac G5?
[09:40] <kkathman> well it was installed before :)
[09:40] <randabis_> kkathman, also make sure you've typed your password
[09:40] <calvin> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found)
[09:40] <SysFail> a mac?
[09:40] <kkathman> I dont think I did anything to uninstall it...and I did type my password
[09:41] <SysFail> is that a computer?
[09:41] <SysFail> heheh
[09:41] <mebaran151> xmms does not work
[09:41] <inter_> anyone know how to get ubuntu to work after switching root HDD device names (ie. i switched from SATA to regular UATA)
[09:41] <randabis_> again, try xvzf not just xvz
[09:41] <Seveas> black_nightmare, why use debian downloads?
[09:41] <jeramey> SysFail, hyuck. :)
[09:41] <mebaran151> but beep-media-player does
[09:41] <mebaran151> weird
[09:41] <e_machinist> Quick Q. Is there a way to run the cron tasks (daily, hourly, monthly) manually?
[09:41] <Seveas> e_machinist, simply run them :)
[09:41] <alterim> can anyone help me to install ndiswrapper
[09:41] <alterim> ???
[09:41] <kkathman> ok I added that f and its working now...why?
[09:42] <alterim> i'm really quite keen to get it working
[09:42] <randabis_> alterim, did you check the wiki?
[09:42] <lixe_away> inter_  with a live cd
[09:42] <black_nightmare> seveas...well....I remember seeing one site but for some reason didn't bookmark it and now can't EVEN find it again but by the way of being funny... I also found this too: seem like the perfect site to bookmark for new downloads as far as I'm wondering http://packages.debian.org/stable/
[09:42] <e_machinist> simply run them.... umm... ok... what would be the command to do that?
[09:42] <black_nightmare> the 'one site' was supposed to have a html list and author-website link of ubuntu apt-get's you could use
[09:42] <apokryphos> randabis_: it erroneously presupposes that he has a net connection ;)
[09:42] <megabyte405> e_machinist:  whatever you put in the as the cron file
[09:42] <Seveas> black_nightmare, http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www
[09:42] <inter_> lixe_away, done but what do I need to change?  I updated the fstand stuff, and ran update-grub
[09:42] <dross> wxwidgets is a big joke..
[09:42] <eyequeue> black_nightmare:  very inadvisable to mix debian and ubuntu repositories
[09:42] <Seveas> black_nightmare, you don;t need to download manually
[09:42] <inter_> lixe_away, fstab*
[09:43] <Seveas> just use synaptic
[09:43] <Seveas> you can install EVERYTHING in the repositories with that
[09:43] <randabis_> apokryphos, I believe there is a new guide for people without a net connection somewhere...I thought I saw it anyway
[09:43] <lixe_away> inter_ /etc/fstab
[09:43] <lixe_away> ok
[09:43] <black_nightmare> seveas -- thats the site!!! damn
[09:43] <tullyan> can anyone help me!
[09:43] <tullyan> PLEASE!
[09:43] <calvin> argh, no joy with Hoary in nvida!
[09:43] <black_nightmare> *bookmarks it this time to not lose it a 2nd time*
[09:43] <megabyte405> What are some fun games?
[09:43] <apokryphos> randabis_: I'm sure he'd appreciate it if  you could find it. :)
[09:43] <black_nightmare> ty a lot seveas
[09:43] <inter_> lixe_away, ya, doesn't seem to work still -- kernel panic unknown device (0,0)
[09:43] <e_machinist> Time to pico crontab?
[09:43] <alterim> this guide is more useful
[09:43] <megabyte405> calvin:  to be brutally honest, I'd suggest just using the standard i386 kernel
[09:43] <alterim> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper%20without%20internet%20access%2C%20slow%20firefox
[09:44] <dross> tullyan: no? :P
[09:44] <randabis_> apokryphos, otherwise, I thought that ndiswrapper-utils would be on the cd...at least the hoary ones
[09:44] <alterim> but i don't know how to get the .debs it mentions
[09:44] <Imsdlea> how do you uninstall miniram?
[09:44] <tullyan> thank you dross
[09:44] <lixe_away> inter_ then i do not know
[09:44] <tullyan> ok
[09:44] <inter_> lixe_away, ok thx though :)
[09:44] <lixe_away> :)
[09:46] <Imsdlea> how do you uninstall miniram or icewm?
[09:47] <tritium> calvin, are you still there?  still waiting for your reply
[09:48] <lixe_away> inter_ changed grubs menu.lst?
[09:48] <calvin> yes
[09:48] <calvin> tritium, thanks
[09:48] <tritium> calvin, so what happened?
[09:48] <calvin> basically the same thing
[09:48] <calvin> it won't go into X.  i get an error in the log file
[09:49] <tritium> calvin, I'm switching between multiple channels.  I will miss your messages if you don't address them to me
[09:49] <calvin> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found)
[09:49] <calvin> tritium, (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found)
[09:49] <calvin> (is that how to address?)
[09:49] <tritium> calvin, thanks, yes :)
[09:50] <tritium> calvin, please lsmod | grep nvidia and verify that it's loaded
[09:50] <Imsdlea> I want to change my ubuntu to fluxbox but I have installed icewm??? from http://www.binonabiso.com/en/Ubuntu-miniRAM-HOWTO.html
[09:50] <Imsdlea> can anyone tell me how to setup ubuntu back to default?
[09:50] <a_monkey> 'sup. is ubuntu really ppc-friendly? recognizes hardware easily, etc.?
[09:50] <airox> Aren't there some packages for loop-aes ?
[09:50] <bmoi> does anyone know how i can get Xv video output to work with totem-xine? I've got VideoOverlay "On" in my Xorg.conf(which i believe the ati driver needs) but i still cant get Xv output?
[09:51] <calvin> tritium, output is "nvidia               3470620  0"
[09:51] <a_monkey> on ppc of course i mean
[09:51] <tritium> calvin, okay
[09:51] <Seveas> a_monkey, it is
[09:51] <tritium> calvin, dpkg -l | grep nvidia to verify what you've installed please
[09:51] <hybrid> a_monkey yes
[09:51] <Myrtti> a wild guess on the nvidia issue; you've installed stuff in the wrong order
[09:51] <hybrid> especially gor ibook g3s
[09:51] <hybrid> **for
[09:51] <calvin> tritium, "ii  nvidia-glx     1.0.6629-0ubun NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver
[09:51] <calvin> ii  nvidia-kernel- 1.0.6629+1     NVIDIA binary kernel module common files
[09:51] <calvin> "
[09:52] <tritium> ok, good
[09:52] <Seveas> a_monkey, only the latest airport cards (airport Xtreme??) don't work
[09:52] <tritium> calvin, I need to see your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on pastebin, if you don't mind
[09:52] <black_nightmare> seveas so..anyhow..if something from the hoary packages list interests me ... like how would I get it if it also needed one or more seperate lib files?
[09:52] <usual> hi
[09:52] <calvin> np, just a sec
[09:52] <hybrid> Seveas yea extreme and some of the dail up modems dont worl
[09:52] <black_nightmare> just curious..this is my very first download I guess
[09:52] <Seveas> black_nightmare, that's the beauty of apt
[09:52] <Seveas> it does that for you :)
[09:52] <bmoi> any X boffins in here?
[09:53] <eyequeue> whatis boffins?
[09:53] <black_nightmare> oh hmm....so I just like do 'apt-get [name of program] ' or umm is it different? :">
[09:53] <Seveas> so if you want to install application foo which also needs libraries bar and baz, they will also be installed
[09:53] <Seveas> black_nightmare, you can use apt-get
[09:53] <eyequeue> black_nightmare:  apt-get install foo
[09:53] <[nrx] > synaptic :)
[09:53] <Seveas> but better: the synaptic program
[09:54] <usual> http://3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592.com/
[09:54] <black_nightmare> so for example if I wanted this http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/games/cowsay how would I type in the terminal?
[09:54] <Seveas> it's a graphical interface
[09:54] <usual> heh
[09:54] <massimiliano> How I can make to launch nautilus with /home/myhome on "top panel"?
[09:54] <calvin> tritium, http://www.pastebin.com/263095
[09:54] <biezt> can anyone talk me trough making a linux ftp  with vsftpd ?
[09:54] <tritium> calvin, thanks
[09:54] <Seveas> black_nightmare, search for cowsay in synaptic
[09:54] <black_nightmare> ty
[09:54] <eyequeue> black_nightmare:  apt-get install cowsay
[09:54] <Seveas> select it for installing
[09:54] <Seveas> and click apply
[09:54] <eyequeue> black_nightmare:  sudo apt-get install cowsay of course
[09:54] <massimiliano> Who ca help me?
[09:55] <LeeJunFan> biezt: not much to it - install it and /etc/init.d/vsptpd start
[09:55] <Seveas> if you search for 'games' in synaptic you can find all games
[09:55] <black_nightmare> ok just a dumb begineer question to that...where is synaptic as well? :">
[09:55] <Seveas> system->administration->sunaptic package manager
[09:55] <LeeJunFan> biezt: err . /etc/init.d/vsftpd start :)
[09:55] <tritium> calvin, can you please comment out the "dri" module?
[09:56] <hybrid> anyone using mac on linux here
[09:56] <black_nightmare> ah ty seveas
[09:56] <black_nightmare> eric ~ where you from?  maybe I'm not so far from you :))
[09:57] <black_nightmare> seveas oh thats pretty nice program... so if the checkbox is green I have it... if its blank I don't -- am I correct?
[09:57] <Imsdlea> how do you default back to gnome
[09:57] <biezt> how do i get my network ip adress ?
[09:57] <Seveas> black_nightmare, YES
[09:57] <calvin> tritium, done.  should i try it out?
[09:57] <[nrx] > biezt, "ifconfig"
[09:57] <tritium> calvin, please
[09:57] <biezt> not internet ip, something like 192.168.0.x
[09:57] <Seveas> biezt, type ifconfig in a terminal
[09:57] <[nrx] > entry beside eth0
[09:58] <oris_wolfbane> hey guys, do any of you know any cool linux games, if i can apt-get them even better
[09:58] <calvin> thx
[09:58] <Seveas> oris_wolfbane, supertux :)
[09:58] <black_nightmare> seveas -- you know....I kinda starting to hate windows now...except for some of my favorite older dos/directx games
[09:58] <Seveas> and nethack of course
[09:58] <e_machinist> Are there any good disk maintenance apps?
[09:58] <black_nightmare> but maybe I can figure them over into emulator on ubuntu soon
[09:58] <eyequeue> oris_wolfbane:  sudo apt-get install bsdgames
[09:58] <black_nightmare> :)
[09:58] <Seveas> e_machinist, describe "disk maintenance"
[09:58] <eyequeue> e_machinist:  rm?
[09:58] <Seveas> lol eyequeue
[09:59] <e_machinist> heh, not rm. haha. More like an app that collects common tasks that keep your filesystem etc in good shape.
[09:59] <Seveas> defragmenter: not needed, partioner: gparted, backup: tar & gzip
[09:59] <eyequeue> e_machinist:  what are these common taks you speak of?
[10:00] <randabis_> oris_wolfbane, frozen bubble is always fun, there's tons of linux games
[10:00] <Parallax__> I have a noteook with no cdrom (broken) , How can I install linux on it ???
[10:00] <flujukas> hello
[10:00] <oris_wolfbane> seceas, eyequeue, oris_wolfbane thanxs v.much apt-getting now
[10:00] <Seveas> Parallax__, netboot install
[10:00] <biezt> how do i edit a file which can only b edited from root ? i'm in terminal !!
[10:00] <Seveas> oris_wolfbane, search for 'games' in synaptic :)
[10:00] <tritium> biezt, with sudo
[10:00] <Seveas> sudo gedit filename
[10:00] <[nrx] > biezt: "sudo nano /path/to/file"
[10:00] <Parallax__> Seveas: where can i find a howto ??
[10:00] <e_machinist> biezt, tried, " sudo pico filename"?
[10:01] <Seveas> Parallax__, on the ubuntu wiki and forums i believe
[10:01] <eyequeue> biezt:  sudo is "do this as root" basically
[10:01] <Parallax__> ok thankxs
[10:01] <Seveas> e_machinist, it's called nano
[10:01] <tritium> pico is just a symlink to nano
[10:01] <robl^> either my brand new usb2 harddrive is toast, or their are major USB2 problems with Hoary.  I am getting lots of I/O errors, sometimes I can't mount, sometimes I can't umount
[10:01] <flujukas> i have a problem , when i want to boot ubuntu livecd the monitor turns off and gives me an "OUT OF RANGE" error , i think that its refresh rate's fault , so how could i fix that
[10:01] <flujukas> PLS hlep
[10:01] <flujukas> * help
[10:01] <oris_wolfbane> also, ive got a friend ova, anything you think i can show him to wow him with linux?
[10:01] <kbrooks> .....
[10:01] <eyequeue> e_machinist:  more likely nano than the non-free pico
[10:01] <tritium> pico is a symlink to nano anyway
[10:01] <biezt> and how do i get out of home dir ?
[10:01] <Seveas> oris_wolfbane, the lates hoary livecd :)
[10:01] <Seveas> gnome 2.10 rocks
[10:01] <biezt> i need to be in etc :P
[10:02] <Seveas> biezt, cd /etc
[10:02] <kbrooks> oris_wolfbane, well, you could get the hoary livecd and sho him
[10:02] <black_nightmare> seveas I checked the setting>repositories list and seem that the higgs.djpig.de/ site is not in the source list .. was wondering if I could [and how do I know the exact address to use?]  add it in?
[10:02] <Seveas> biezt, get yourself a linux primer :)
[10:02] <Seveas> black_nightmare, you don;t need id
[10:02] <Seveas> it*
[10:02] <biezt> wtf is a primer ?
[10:02] <black_nightmare> ohh ok
[10:02] <biezt> i just wanted to learn linux :P
[10:02] <Seveas> higgs.djpig.de is a mirror of the standard ubuntu archive
[10:02] <[nrx] > biezt, a guide to linux :)
[10:02] <oris_wolfbane> kbrooks, its installed lol, hes not the kind that likes computer i just wanna show him somthing cool he cant do in windows
[10:02] <[nrx] > a learner's guide, basically.
[10:02] <black_nightmare> seveas -- ahh duh...hmmm brb :p
[10:02] <ubuntoid> :(
[10:03] <ubuntoid> Apparently one shouldn't update a hoary system?
[10:03] <WeirdAl> Can anyone point me to a server/chan where I can bug people persistently about wine
[10:03] <WeirdAl> ?
[10:03] <tritium> WeirdAl, you can update Hoary
[10:03] <eyequeue> ubuntoid:  why would you say that?
[10:03] <tamir> how i can use Proxy in apt-get ???
[10:03] <WeirdAl> That wasn't me
[10:03] <tamir> how i can use Proxy in apt-get ???
[10:03] <WeirdAl> :-)
[10:03] <Seveas> tamir, rtfm
[10:03] <ubuntoid> eyequeue, I think I just need to figure out the proper procedure
[10:03] <tamir> how ?
[10:03] <tritium> WeirdAl, did you try winetools?  What's the matter?
[10:03] <Seveas> man apt.conf
[10:03] <eyequeue> tamir:  the http_proxy environment variable is honoured
[10:03] <tritium> WeirdAl, we update/upgrade hoary everyday.
[10:04] <WeirdAl> Well a) the mime type isn't working
[10:04] <ubuntoid> I did an apt-get upgrade and when it restarted X all I get is a black screen
[10:04] <hybrid> Seveas what is rtfm
[10:04] <Seveas> read the fine manual
[10:04] <hybrid> oo
[10:04] <eyequeue> read the fscking manual
[10:04] <WeirdAl> and b) when I try to install PSP, it gives me an error about something...
[10:04] <a_monkey> would ubuntu ppc do a nice job on detecting hardware on an eMac, also?
[10:04] <tritium> WeirdAl, did you install/run winetools?
[10:04] <Seveas> eyequeue, that is man fsck :)
[10:04] <WeirdAl> Even though PSP is first on the list.
[10:04] <eyequeue> ie, man fsck ;)
[10:04] <WeirdAl> Yeah
[10:04] <Keizer> What's the preferred method of installing MySQL on Ubuntu?
[10:04] <Seveas> lol
[10:04] <hybrid> a_monkey prolly
[10:04] <Seveas> for manpage addicts: install funny manpages
[10:04] <tritium> WeirdAl, did you step through all of the installation steps when you ran winetools?