[00:18] <graingert> anybody know why gnome-online-accounts is unavailable? http://pastebin.com/XdrfyQSC
[00:20] <scientes> graingert, did you try apt-get update
[00:20] <scientes> cause it works for me
[00:21] <graingert> maybe they just got added
[00:21] <scientes> well, i just did apt-get update && upgrade
[00:21] <graingert> anything to do with   * Update repository URL.
[00:21] <scientes> but certainly a possibility, and it is expected to break that way momentarily while in beta
[00:22] <graingert> E: Package 'libgoa-1.0-common' has no installation candidate
[00:22] <graingert> is the root cause
[00:22] <scientes> you sure you don't have debian sources in your sources.list?
[00:23] <scientes> its probably that ubuntu dropped ubuntu-specific changes while coming up to date with debian
[00:23] <scientes> and that changed some names or something
[00:24] <graingert> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libgoa-1.0-common&searchon=names&suite=precise&section=all not out yet
[00:25] <graingert> http://pastebin.com/6q4iy8Ly
[00:26] <graingert> maybe gb is behined?
[00:28] <graingert> http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/libgoa-1.0-0 note it says libgoa-1.0-common (= 3.3.0-1) [amd64]
[00:28] <graingert>     Package not available
[00:28] <graingert> I guess libgoa was doa
[01:02] <ruffles> trism:  hey. remember me? i was asking earlier today about a lightdm flickering but after logout. it stopped happening after I created a user
[01:06] <trism> ruffles: yeah that seems to have been the problem, the user list didn't have any entries since the "other" option was removed, mterry commited a fix, I imagine it will be resolved soon
[01:06] <trism> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-greeter/+bug/952557
[01:08] <ruffles> great! thank you!
[01:08] <ruffles> i believe bugs # 943193 and 935801 are both duplicates too
[01:11] <ruffles> ok i've just marked 'em as duplicates of bug #952557
[01:14] <ruffles> trism:  ok i'm going to do some serious beta testing in here now. lol
[01:14] <ruffles> thanks for taking the time to help
[01:14] <ruffles> cheers
[02:52] <scientes> DNSMASQ IS TOTALLY broken by Network Manager
[02:52] <scientes> how do i get rid of that network manager dnsmasq crap-ware
[02:52] <scientes> and use a system dnsmasq
[02:53] <scientes> especially cause its such crap that it install dnsmasq without installing the package
[02:54] <scientes> oh wait, its dnsmasq-base
[02:57] <scientes> how do i unbreak it
[03:08] <trism> scientes: http://www.stgraber.org/2012/02/24/dns-in-ubuntu-12-04/ see "I really don’t want a local resolver, how can I turn it off?"
[03:15] <scientes> "This dnsmasq server isn’t a caching server for security reason"
[03:15] <scientes> oh geeze
[03:15] <scientes> then whats the point?
[03:15] <diraol> Hi friends! I'm trying to "import" my wireless keys (password) from ubuntu 11.04 to ubuntu 12.04
[03:19] <scientes> diraol, upgrade?
[03:19] <scientes> upgrade should work
[03:20] <diraol> hum... not... fresh install
[03:20] <scientes> ahh well if its just one go to networkmanager and copy in down
[03:20] <lupin3rd> hey guys
[03:21] <lupin3rd> i got a little problem
[03:21] <diraol> sorry, i didn't understood what to do.
[03:21] <diraol> I no longer have my 11.04, but still have my ~/ files and folders
[03:21] <diraol> i'm trying to recover all my networks keys...
[03:25] <lupin3rd> ok my little problem is that my fn key works for volume but not for the screen brightness but it worked fine in the live cd before i installed
[03:26] <lupin3rd> any ideas???
[03:26] <scientes> lupin3rd, that shouldn't happen
[03:26] <lupin3rd> yes i know
[03:26] <lupin3rd> worked fine in live cd
[03:26] <lupin3rd> now once installed nothing
[03:26] <scientes> lupin3rd, ahhhhh actually, the live cd uses free drivers
[03:26] <lupin3rd> yes
[03:26] <scientes> maybe you installed the non-free drivers for your graphics
[03:26] <scientes> and that broke it
[03:27] <lupin3rd> i havn't installed anything
[03:27] <lupin3rd> thats another problem i have
[03:27] <scientes> it does it automatically if you click "install third-party software"
[03:27] <scientes> in the installer
[03:27] <lupin3rd> oh
[03:27] <lupin3rd> i did that
[03:27] <scientes> yeah
[03:27] <lupin3rd> so how to stop that
[03:27] <scientes> remove the non-free driver
[03:27] <lupin3rd> how
[03:28] <scientes> jockey-gtk
[03:28] <scientes> or go to system settings
[03:28] <scientes> you should turn off the non-free driver anyways
[03:28] <scientes> nvidia or AMD/ATI ?
[03:28] <lupin3rd> amd/ati
[03:28] <scientes> yeah the AMD radeon free driver is pretty good these days, and getting better fast
[03:28] <lupin3rd> ok
[03:28] <scientes> it has better 2D performance than the non-free driver
[03:29] <lupin3rd> ok so i am in system settings
[03:29] <scientes> "hardware drivers"
[03:30] <lupin3rd> doesn't have hardware drivers
[03:30] <lupin3rd> you mean additonal drivers?
[03:30] <scientes> yeah
[03:32] <lupin3rd> yes now waht
[03:32] <lupin3rd> also thanks for this
[03:32] <diraol> now you have to unninstal the video driver lupin3rd
[03:32] <diraol> and them, probably restart the OS.
[03:32] <scientes> you click "remove"
[03:33] <scientes> and then yeah restart
[03:33] <scientes> (you can /etc/init.d/lightdm stop; rmmod fglrx, etc
[03:33] <bjsnider> he hasn't even said fglrx is installed in the first place
[03:33] <scientes> but easier to restart
[03:33] <scientes> well he will see
[03:33] <scientes> in "additional drivers"
[03:33] <lupin3rd> but the atiamd proprirtadriver  post release is not activated
[03:34] <lupin3rd> both arn;t installed
[03:34] <bjsnider> then you are certainly using radeon already
[03:34] <scientes> hmm, well then that isn't the problem
[03:35] <lupin3rd> when i install these drivers i have problems playing 720p movies so i don;t use them
[03:35] <diraol> so, any idea on how i can recover my wireless network password from 11.04 to 12.04?
[03:35] <scientes> diraol, you can save it if you go to networkmanager
[03:35] <scientes> write it down
[03:35] <diraol> but i no longer have the 11.04 OS
[03:36] <scientes> diraol, well, what do you have?
[03:36] <scientes> diraol, did you upgrade?
[03:37] <diraol> all my 11.04 $home files and folders.
[03:37] <diraol> no scientes, i've made a fresh install (but i have a full backup of /home partition).
[03:37] <scientes> diraol, its not stored in /home (AFAIK)
[03:37] <lupin3rd> any idea guys with my brightness control
[03:38] <scientes> lupin3rd, all i can think of is  the "evtest"
[03:38] <scientes> but that is more of a development thing, its more involved
[03:39] <lupin3rd> ahh k
[03:39] <lupin3rd> but why would it work in the live cd and not once installed
[03:39] <scientes> lupin3rd, as i said, that shouldn't happen
[03:39] <diraol> =/ i thought it was on ~/.gconf/system/network (where are the wireless networks informations)
[03:39] <diraol> but ok, i'll try to install the 11.04 again with the same /home i had before and see if it works. Thanks scientes!
[03:40] <scientes> diraol, i highly doubt it,
[03:40] <scientes> diraol, cant you just ask someone for the wireless password?
[03:40] <scientes> diraol, it might be, if it was configured locally
[03:41] <scientes> diraol, use grep "unique part of the SSID of the wireless" -R .gconf
[03:41] <scientes> * ~/.gconf
[03:42] <diraol> scientes, there are so many networks.... but ok.
[03:42] <diraol> i think it would be configured locally, just for my user... that's why i think it would be on /home =)
[03:42] <lupin3rd> also when i do install the amd/ati drivers i have problems watching 720p movies and the start up screen is in a lower res anyone heard of that
[03:42] <diraol> i'll try something like a "recover". If it works i'll come back and tell . =)
[03:43] <scientes> lupin3rd, is this an older computer?
[03:43] <lupin3rd> its a laptop
[03:43] <scientes> cause the non-free drivers do not support some old cards
[03:43] <lupin3rd> quad core amd 1.8
[03:43] <lupin3rd> amd 5650
[03:43] <lupin3rd> 4 gig ram
[03:43] <scientes> yeah thats pretty new
[03:43] <lupin3rd> newish laptop
[03:43] <lupin3rd> i know
[03:44] <lupin3rd> i have tried alot of things with the gpu drivers
[03:44] <lupin3rd> onice i install the amd ones the movies jerky
[03:44] <lupin3rd> 720p
[03:44] <scientes> the VAAPU stuff for movie acceleration is pretty new, could be buggy, IDK
[03:44] <scientes> *VA-API
[03:44] <lupin3rd> but with the standard drivers it works fine
[03:45] <scientes> and well, non-free drivers are buggy by default...
[03:45] <lupin3rd> you think it would be the other way round
[03:45] <scientes> lupin3rd, the randeon driver doesn't use the hardware acceleration IIRC
[03:45] <lupin3rd> but why the low res at startup with new drivers
[03:45] <scientes> lupin3rd, not at all, FOSS is OPEN-SOURCE, meaning anyone that has a problem and some skill can fix their problem (or hire someone to do it)
[03:46] <scientes> with non-free the only person that can possibly address a problem is the person that wrote it, and can see the source
[03:46] <lupin3rd> ahh k
[03:46] <lupin3rd> so i am stuck with the standard drivers
[03:46] <lupin3rd> thas ok thoi
[03:47] <lupin3rd> cause it runs better
[03:47] <scientes> http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/cathedral-bazaar/ar01s04.html
[03:47] <lupin3rd> that for me?
[03:47] <scientes> "8. Given a large enough beta-tester and co-developer base, almost every problem will be characterized quickly and the fix obvious to someone."
[03:47] <scientes> well, the difference between non-free and FOSS stuff is a big one
[03:47] <lupin3rd> yeah
[03:47] <lupin3rd> ok then
[03:48] <scientes> basically with open-source stuff you have the ability to fix your problems, otherwise you are trapped
[03:48] <lupin3rd> also
[03:48] <lupin3rd> with this gay toshiba laptop
[03:48] <scientes> thats why its called "free software" (as in freedom)
[03:48] <scientes> meh, thats not a bad laptop
[03:48] <scientes> but yeah, this thing about your keys sucks
[03:48] <lupin3rd> to turn off wireless you need to hold the fn key down and press f8 but does not work in linux
[03:49] <lupin3rd> how to turn off in terminal?
[03:49] <lupin3rd> like the cmd
[03:49] <scientes> lupin3rd, you should be able to turn off from the network manager
[03:49] <scientes> just right click
[03:49] <scientes> and uncheck "enable wireless"
[03:49] <lupin3rd> yes i can do that but the light still stays on
[03:49] <lupin3rd> in windows it turns off
[03:49] <scientes> but it IS off
[03:49] <scientes> even if the light is on
[03:49] <lupin3rd> in windows i turn it off the light goes off
[03:50] <lupin3rd> but
[03:50] <lupin3rd> if i leave it off in windows and boot to linux
[03:50] <lupin3rd> i can;t turn it on
[03:50] <lupin3rd> get my point
[03:50] <scientes> you can get more information in the /sys/devices
[03:50] <scientes> eek, that is horrible
[03:50] <lupin3rd> yeah
[03:51] <scientes> paste.ubuntu.com <-- paste the output of lspci -n
[03:52] <lupin3rd> http://paste.ubuntu.com/882755/
[03:52] <lupin3rd> i may have a way to fix my bightness
[03:52] <scientes> ahh its the notorious broadcom wireless
[03:53] <lupin3rd> yeah
[03:53] <lupin3rd> haha
[03:53] <lupin3rd> i know
[03:53] <lupin3rd> but still why in windows when i turn it off the light goes off
[03:53] <lupin3rd> then boot to linux can;t get it to work
[03:54] <scientes> i doubt it would work, but you could try a cold boot
[03:54] <scientes> i.e. take out the battery
[03:54] <lupin3rd> but leave the light on and it disable it and enable it in linux
[03:54] <lupin3rd> but my thoery is that
[03:54] <lupin3rd> if the light is on then its still on useing batteryt
[03:54] <scientes> well with broadcom all my bets are off
[03:54] <lupin3rd> and thats why i get shit battery
[03:54] <lupin3rd> =]
[03:55] <diraol> broadcom b43?
[03:55] <lupin3rd> dont know
[03:55] <lupin3rd> all i know its a gay broadcom
[03:56] <diraol> i have and HP with the bcm43 broadcom wireless board and it's a hell to get it working.
[03:57] <scientes> BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller
[03:57] <diraol> it has it's own will, some times work, some times doesn't. Mine is BCM4311 if i'm not mistaken...
[03:57] <lupin3rd> its working just tryint to turn it off
[03:58] <lupin3rd> also i get shit battery life with this laptop
[03:58] <diraol> hum.... using network manager didn't work?
[03:58] <lupin3rd> what do you guys get
[03:58] <lupin3rd> in windows i even get shit time
[03:58] <lupin3rd> fucking gay amd quad core
[03:58] <lupin3rd> shit for battery
[03:58] <scientes> well, thats not exactly a laptop made for battery life
[03:58] <diraol> i don't use windows at all....
[03:59] <diraol> (i agree with scientes rs)
[03:59] <lupin3rd> yeah
[03:59] <scientes> the best battery life is with ARM
[03:59] <diraol> too much power.....
[04:00] <lupin3rd> for my laptop i am using linux my main desktop i use windows cause of games
[04:00]  * scientes wishes some ARM licencers would just make some netbooks, of even desktops with PCIE etc
[04:00] <lupin3rd> =]
[04:00]  * scientes would suck up a octo-core ARM with PCIE USB3, etc
[04:00] <scientes> aka full-featured
[04:00] <diraol> i have a lenovo core i7 (dual core +  hyperthreading) and i can get 5hr battery.
[04:00] <scientes> wow
[04:01] <diraol> it's a lenovo.... on the beggining it was 9/10hr
[04:01] <scientes> oh wait, only dual core, but still
[04:01] <scientes> thats cause 45nm
[04:01] <lupin3rd> i get 2 hrs max
[04:01] <lupin3rd> its shit
[04:02] <diraol> yeah, i know how it is... my last laptop gave me less than 1hr
[04:02] <lupin3rd> yeah when i got it i wasnt really looking at that
[04:03] <lupin3rd> i just saw the price and the specs and went fuck it can even play games
[04:03] <lupin3rd> but now i would have went for battery
[04:03] <diraol> hehehe... i have a desktop for gamming.... no games on laptop at all
[04:04] <lupin3rd> yeah my desktop is for games
[04:04] <lupin3rd> but this thing can play bf3
[04:04] <lupin3rd> on low tho =]
[04:05] <diraol> btw, my OS recognizes 4 cores....
[04:05] <lupin3rd> yeah but your cpu is only duel
[04:06] <lupin3rd> so yeah about my brightness problem anyone?
[04:07] <lupin3rd> why in live cd it works and not in full istalled
hum.... if you could find out the command to change the brightness, you could try to set the keybord bindings by hand</workarround>
[04:09] <lupin3rd> yeah thats true but why would it work in the live cfd
[04:09] <lupin3rd> and not now
[04:11] <diraol> hum... i'm too newbie to know how to fix it from now on. sorry =/
[04:14] <lupin3rd> thats ok
[04:14] <lupin3rd> i was just asking if anyone knew
[04:24] <BlakJak> righto.. xubuntu problem.. 12.04b1... raft of dependency issues trying to install google earth...
[04:24] <BlakJak> ia32-libs depending on ia32-libs-multiarch depending on a metric buttload of other stuff which is held back or  somesuch
[04:31] <micahg> BlakJak: not a bug, google earth will eventually learn how to depend on what they need
[04:31] <micahg> BlakJak: oh, it won't install? how are you trying to install it
[04:32] <BlakJak> pick a method :)
[04:32] <BlakJak> dpkg -i
[04:32] <BlakJak> or using the gui tool
[04:32] <BlakJak> similar dependency for the skype .deb as well
[04:32] <micahg> after the dpkg -i, you need to run apt-get -f install
[04:33] <BlakJak> right...
[04:33] <BlakJak> each time i do that, it wants to remove chromium-browser
[04:33] <micahg> hmm, not sure why that would happen
[04:34] <micahg> can you try apt-get with -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true?
[04:36] <BlakJak> sorry, please clarify exaclty what syntax i should run?
[04:36] <BlakJak> is that with the -f install?
[04:37] <snadge> i managed to install skype, but it was non trivial
[04:37] <BlakJak> oh goodie
[04:37] <BlakJak> heh
[04:37] <micahg> BlakJak: sorry, apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true -f install
[04:38] <BlakJak> k.. there's quite a bit of info in the answer to that
[04:38] <micahg> BlakJak: can you put it in a pastebin?
[04:39] <BlakJak> this reminds me of rpm dependency hell
[04:39] <BlakJak> heh
[04:41] <BlakJak> http://pastebin.com/0Yz9C86d
[04:44] <micahg> BlakJak: looks like mirror skew, libxfixes is a different version on i386 and amd64, either use a different mirror or wait for it to catch up
[04:44] <micahg> *mirror arch skew
[04:45] <ajmitch> probably using a mirror in NZ, too often they fall behind :)
[04:46] <BlakJak> I expect i'll see the guys who run the NZ mirror soon... i'll let them know ;-)
[04:46]  * BlakJak switches to 'main' server and runs apt-get update
[04:46] <ajmitch> BlakJak: which one?
[04:47] <BlakJak> well, statistically, any of them probably
[04:47] <ajmitch> nz2 used to point to mirror.ihug.co.nz but that fell too far behind :)
[04:47] <BlakJak> not sure exactly which one 'server in new zealand' points to
[04:47] <ajmitch> 'the NZ mirror' generally implies nz.archive.ubuntu.com, which is citylink
[04:47] <BlakJak> markf@hawkeye:~/Downloads$ host nz.archive.ubuntu.com
[04:47] <BlakJak> nz.archive.ubuntu.com is an alias for ubuntu.citylink.co.nz.
[04:47] <BlakJak> ubuntu.citylink.co.nz has address <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:47] <BlakJak> yeah. /me sends an ICQ msg to Citylink
[04:48] <BlakJak> oh, best set up ICQ first.
[04:48] <ajmitch> people still use that? :)
[04:49] <BlakJak> haha
[04:49] <BlakJak> my friend at Citylink is already ducking for cover
[04:49] <BlakJak> wow.. output of apt-get -f install is hugely different
[04:50] <ajmitch> http://mirror.ihug.co.nz/ubuntu/project/trace/ shows just how badly behind it got...
[04:50] <ajmitch> citylink mirror looks only ~24h behind
[04:50] <BlakJak> imma let that run... 85 megs of downloads
[04:50] <ajmitch> (well, just going by the trace file)
[04:51] <micahg> BlakJak: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors#yui_3_2_0_1_133170046332234
[04:51] <BlakJak> ajmitch: do I know you, or have we spoken before?
[04:51] <ajmitch> BlakJak: probably way back
[04:51] <micahg> doh, that id was page load specifc
[04:52] <ajmitch> BlakJak: you were on #nzlug, right?
[04:52] <BlakJak> it had an irc channel? I suppose so :p
[04:52] <BlakJak> nzlinux maybe?
[04:52] <ajmitch> yeah I think that was it :)
[04:52] <ajmitch> it's been awhile
[04:53] <BlakJak> yeah, your nick is familiar tho
[04:54] <ajmitch> maybe just from ubuntu stuff
[04:54] <BlakJak> arrrg the default sound prefs in pidgin are asinine
[04:55] <BlakJak> another interesting point, btw... having installed side-by-side with my ubuntu 10.10 installation and ticking the box that said 'copy over my prefs and documents' during installation, nothing was copied over
[04:55] <BlakJak> perhaps coz i changed my username... but nothing else from /home was copied between installs... not a biggie.. but somewhat misleading
[04:56] <BlakJak> this has been a good lesson.. when running a beta it pays to get your updates from as close to the hub as you can
[04:57] <ajmitch> yeah, archive.ubuntu.com is the best but probably slowest
[04:57] <micahg> BlakJak: if your mirror is reliable, it's not that bad unless you upgrading every hour
[04:57] <BlakJak> Citylink tell me that their mirror only updates daily
[04:58]  * micahg uses mirror.anl.gov
[04:58] <BlakJak> the guy who is the main admin for it no longer works for Citylink, not sure what the story there is...
[04:58] <ajmitch> they could have mirrored at just the wrong time for a package to be out of sync between i386 & amd64
[04:58] <ajmitch> problem is it takes a day to come right
[04:59] <micahg> right, also, both those versions have been superseded
[04:59] <ajmitch> 3 uploads of that package in a couple of days
[05:00] <BlakJak> yay... skype works
[05:01] <BlakJak> so does google earth
[05:01] <BlakJak> tho the internal font is shyte
[05:10] <BlakJak> ajmitch, micahg thank you very much for your assistance
[05:10] <ajmitch> no problem
[05:10] <BlakJak> i might lurk here for a bit :-) however it's hometime from work now.
[05:11]  * BlakJak gone
[05:15] <Mylenthes> anyone there
[05:23] <Mylenthes> Anyboody dere?
[06:05] <crizzy> ain't this fun
[06:06] <crizzy> segfault again after setting mouse as evdev device..
[06:06] <crizzy> not sure what to make out of it, but backtrace leads back to libc..
[06:07] <crizzy> like straight from X binary to libc.. fun fun
[06:25] <almoxarife> I want my dnsmasq conf to work! like it did without a hitch till YOU decided you wanted to keep dnsmasq all for your own selves, bad people, bad!
[07:40] <Vonor> hi
[07:40] <Vonor> just installed 12.4 beta alternative in a vmbox  and right after the kernel is loaded i get an error: mountall: no connection to Plymouth
[07:41] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/556542
[08:05] <BlakJak> right... so now that i've come home and booted up I don't have any window frames...
[08:05] <BlakJak> found a reference to clearing ~/.cache/sessions but that doesn't seem to be helping
[08:29] <BlakJak> right.. had to install xfwm4 again... seems it'd gotten removed during my last update
[08:29] <BlakJak> odd...
[08:46] <Vonor> ok, i tried with the daily cd from today (12.4 alternative amd64). if i install a normal desktop system it works just fine. if i install a commandline system it won't boot up (seems the splash crashed without giving any output. all I see is a black screen with a blinking underscore cursor)
[08:47] <Vonor> erm, never mind. seems the splash gets stopped after boot and there is no switch to tty1. if i switch tty's manually i get to the login prompt
[08:57] <BlakJak> anyone able to recommend a vnc client for xubuntu? or is it a case of pick any one?
[09:04] <psypher246> hi all, does anyone know how to restart the panel so that the systray whitelists apps reappear. since a few updates ago all my whitelists systray apps dissapear and I have to restart to get them them back, for a little while, I would like a workaround so that I don't have to restart
[09:54] <topyli> gnome-shell in the gnome team ppa is broken, don't upgrade now
[09:54] <Jeeves_> Morning
[10:24] <iceroot> wayland reached 12.04
[10:25] <ikonia> has it ?
[10:25] <ikonia> it's it actually included ?
[10:25] <iceroot> ikonia: yes
[10:25] <ikonia> that's come out of the blue
[10:25] <iceroot> ikonia: but the current gtk3 is not build with wayland enabled
[10:25] <iceroot> ikonia: atm i only have a german link
[10:25] <ikonia> is it being used as an extension or an alternative
[10:25] <iceroot> http://www.golem.de/news/displayserver-wayland-und-weston-in-ubuntu-12-04-1203-90490.html
[10:26] <ikonia> does that mean someone has tested it
[10:26] <iceroot> ikonia: alternative which is not working atm because we have to rebuild gtk3
[10:26] <ikonia> as it "was" going to be included but never made it in
[10:26] <ikonia> is this link saying they have actually confirmed it IS in
[10:26] <iceroot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/954352
[10:26] <iceroot> ikonia: yes
[10:26] <ikonia> interesting
[10:26] <iceroot> ayland has one released version, 0.85, which is in the precise archives: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wayland/
[10:27] <ikonia> I'll have to take a look at that, I looked at wayland on it's own a while back and it was usless as it had nothing it could do
[10:27] <ikonia> be interesting to see how it's being used
[10:27] <iceroot> ikonia: at the moment you cant run wayland with gtk
[10:27] <ikonia> not really surprised
[10:27] <iceroot> ikonia: see bug report because gtk has to be compiled with wayland-enabled-foobar
[10:28] <ikonia> when I looked at it, it was totally worthless for any sort of use
[10:28] <iceroot> and because of the feature freeze its not clear if gtk will be rebuild
[10:28] <ikonia> but then it is new and no-one's really embraced it
[10:29] <iceroot> even 11.10 has wayland now
[10:29] <almoxarife> found the get-around losing dnsmasq, install bind9 and force net-manager to dns from bogus
[10:30] <iceroot> if i get that correct, kde4 can be used with wayland now, gnome/xfce/lxde not at the moment
[10:30] <iceroot> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wayland/0.85.0-1ubuntu1
[10:31] <topyli> it doesn't look like gtk+ will have wayland support in precise. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA3MDM
[10:31] <iceroot> topyli: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/954352
[10:32] <iceroot> but because of the feature freeze i dont think they will rebuild gtk3 for 12.04
[10:32] <iceroot> but i bet 12.10 will have wayland as alternate and 13.04 as default :)
[10:33] <topyli> can't remember where i read this today, but the maintainers would be willing to add wayland support. the real problem is that gtk won't build on ARM then
[10:33] <topyli> if they get that fixed, then it's another story
[10:33] <iceroot> interesting
[11:42] <slipttees> hi all
[11:42] <slipttees> then
[11:42] <slipttees> sis 771/671 resolution problem
[11:43] <slipttees> http://pastebin.com/vu3fPsj9
[11:44] <slipttees> ndiswrapper won't work too
[11:44] <slipttees> =/
[11:45] <slipttees> put my wfi module in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[11:45] <slipttees> add ndiswrapper in /etc/modules
[11:45] <slipttees> won't work
[11:47] <slipttees> everyone?
[12:14] <vega-_> wtf, now alt key pops up the search bar
[12:14] <vega-_> or unity search/lens whatever
[12:18] <Daekdroom> vega-_, that's HUD
[12:30] <almoxarife> is it possible to change the key-short cut for krunner?
[12:35] <almoxarife> btw, yes it is
[14:18] <uwe> hello, I want to test precise as a client for centralized authenticatin via ldap against 10.04 server; is there any discussions that i can be pointed
[14:19] <uwe> to regarding this issue, since there are multiple packages regarding this issue ...
[14:39] <Captain_Proton> anyone else have alot of kept back packages "empathy empathy-common gnome-online-accounts  unity-common ectc" ?
[14:40] <sbarcteam> hi.
[14:40] <Captain_Proton> also my Banshee menu intergration is broke meaning it does not show in the message menu
[14:40] <sbarcteam> I've installed a box by do-releas-upgrade -d -m server
[14:40] <Captain_Proton> hi
[14:41] <sbarcteam> the machine completed the upgrade, and then failed to use the default kernel 3.2.xx-18
[14:41] <Captain_Proton> i woul not have, but ok
[14:41] <sbarcteam> I had to use the previous machine.
[14:41] <sbarcteam> sorry, s/machine/kernel/
[14:42] <Captain_Proton> can you choose it in grub
[14:43] <sbarcteam> "I had to use the previous kernel" means I am currently still on it.
[14:43] <sbarcteam> so yes, I could choose either.
[14:43] <Captain_Proton> also I would try to update-initramfs -u
[14:44] <sbarcteam> hm... isn't it run over during the upgrade ?
[14:44] <Captain_Proton> should but it could have failed or who knows
[14:47] <sbarcteam> ok.
[14:49] <Guest70485> How do I get gnome back ?
[14:50] <Guest70485> I did 'apt-get install gnome' and am waiting for the install. Does this include everything ?
[14:53] <jokerdino> Guest70485: which one are you trying to install?
[14:53] <jokerdino> gnome-fallback i presume?
[14:53] <jokerdino> !gnome-fallback
[14:54] <sbarcteam> Captain_Proton: update-initramfs -u updates EXISTING initramfs.
[14:54] <sbarcteam> I want to update specific, not current.
[14:54] <Guest70485> I don't know, Unity interface is totally incompatible with mice, and lxde has too many limitations. I can't find anyway to use ubuntu
[14:54] <accipter> anyone else having problems with alt+tab working after the latest upgrade? the tab is now caught by the application. however, if i do alt+~ first then i can alt+tab through windows
[14:55] <sbarcteam> hm... Captain_Proton the initramfs line was missing. after running update-grub the lines appeared.
[14:55] <sbarcteam> rebooting now... hoping for the best.
[14:56] <jokerdino> Guest70485: if you are trying to install the fallback the command is sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback
[15:01] <Captain_Proton> accipter, there is a a check box to tell it to do all computer or per desktop but you need ccsm compiz-manager
[15:01] <sbarcteam> Captain_Proton: it worked.
[15:01] <sbarcteam> well, upgrade from lucid completed.
[15:02] <sbarcteam> many tails are probably remained, will sort them out now.
[15:02] <Captain_Proton> sbarcteam, sweet sorry I watch JOE's dad use ubuntu for the first time
[15:02] <Captain_Proton> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ltE_ekc8kE8
[15:03] <qman__> I'm having a problem with a 12.04 server, I installed a daily build a while ago and it's been working fine, but today I went to update it and it isn't working, none of the repositories hit
[15:03] <qman__> I notice it's looking for InRelease, and when I look at the repository, there is only Release
[15:03] <qman__> is there a way to fix that?
[15:04] <uwe> is there a group of experts of matter or similar related to centralized authentication related issues. i think i saw this before but i'm unable to find it :S
[15:04] <uwe> or group of individuals interested in this at least ...
[15:09] <qman__> sources.list and errors I get: http://pastebin.com/Lwnm7c8f
[15:11] <qman__> nevermind, resolvconf broke dns, sorry for the false alarm
[15:14] <david_> I think Ubuntu 12.04 should be called 'Windows Vista beta 1'
[15:15] <ironhalik> uh?
[15:16] <david_> I switched to linux in 2006, I am switching back to Windows. Ubuntu 12.04 is unusable ( unity interface is unusable unless I type name of programs, which means I have to jump between my mouse and keyboard ), the alternative interfaces are missing basic fonctionality.
[15:16] <iceroot> david_: [] you know what beta means
[15:16] <david_> Yes
[15:16] <david_> It means all the crashes I had should be reported if not already, but has nothing to do with the usability of the software.
[15:17] <david_> I am complaining about the performance and UI and not the fact that is is a beta.
[15:17] <iceroot> david_: of course, bug does not mean error, its also something like a feature request
[15:17] <david_> it is*
[15:17] <ironhalik> feel free to use the alternatives, including windows
[15:17] <david_> this version 12.04 will be a regression of bug #1
[15:17] <iceroot> david_: stop flaming
[15:17] <iceroot> david_: use kde, lxde, xfce4 or whatever you want
[15:19] <iceroot> or report bugs what features you are missing
[15:19] <uwe> david_, um, can you elaborate :)
[15:19] <iceroot> but dont flame in this channel, it makes you ignored very fast
[15:19] <iceroot> we are ALWAYS open for a usefull discussion, but this strange flaming is not needed here
[15:20] <uwe> err, sorry, i did not see comments after your initial one ...
[15:20] <ironhalik> he left
[15:22] <Sidewinder1> Not a significant loss, IMHO.
[15:37] <jbwiv> is anyone aware of a way to move the unity launcher bar? I have three monitors and it insists on staying on the left hand monitor...changing ~/.config/monitors.xml doesn't seem to change anything. This is on Ubuntu 2D.
[15:37] <mcamaret> jbwiv: there is a compiz addon to replace regular unity that moves the launcher to the bottom.
[15:38] <mcamaret> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/11/install-ubuntu-unity-bottom-launcher.html
[15:38] <jbwiv> mcamaret, does it work with 2d?
[15:38] <jbwiv> I'm guessing not if it's a compiz plugin
[15:40] <mcamaret> no
[15:40] <jbwiv> mcamaret, thanks anyway :(
[15:41] <mcamaret> jbwiv: I thought precise showed the launcher multiple times
[15:41] <mcamaret> on seperate monitors
[15:44] <jbwiv> mcamaret, that's not my experience so far on three monitors with xinerama
[15:44] <jbwiv> and ubuntu 2d
[15:49] <Q-FUNK> seems that the new gogl/clutter breaks the current gnome-shell.  is there a new gnome-shell in incoming?
[15:50] <Dreaman> ubuntu 12.04 is perfect
[15:50] <Dreaman> :)
[15:55] <trism> Q-FUNK: should be soon, was blocked on the clutter update: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/941755
[15:55] <Q-FUNK> trism: oh, good
[16:07] <crond> I've come to complain that I've nothing to complain about. 12.04 is running nice and stable-y.
[16:09] <brendand> crond, you mean it's not the worst thing ever? another guy had me convinced it was :)
[16:10] <crond> brendand, nah it's all humming along well for me, though, given that 11.10 has no video at *all* on my gpu, even in console, anything is an improvement ;)
[16:10] <crond> the only crashes I've had are from stuff like the updater... the gui version.  apt-get upgrade works just fine :P
[16:13] <crond> catalyst 12.2 + ubuntu 12.04 = great.
[16:25] <zzecool> ironhalik: ?  ;p
[16:33] <scar3crow> nice job dev's!
[16:40] <scar3crow> will there be options in "appearance" dialogue to scale, resize, tile the wallpaper?
[16:41] <zzecool> scar3crow: it is there
[16:41] <scar3crow> really... not on my machine :(
[16:42] <scar3crow> maybe re-install?
[16:42] <topyli> ahh. gnome-shell broke with this morning's update, a fix already available. yay gnome team
[16:42] <zzecool> scar3crow: i dont htink
[16:42] <zzecool> think
[16:42] <scar3crow> k
[16:42] <zzecool> print screen your appearence dialog
[16:42] <zzecool> and post the SS here
[16:42] <zzecool> im curious
[16:42] <scar3crow> where is file plz?
[16:43] <zzecool> what file ?
[16:43] <scar3crow> oh dug wait
[16:43] <zzecool> ;p
[16:45] <scar3crow> zzecool: http://edenprofessionalservices.dyndns.org/appearance.png
[16:45] <zzecool> scar3crow: hmm strange
[16:46] <scar3crow> yep
[16:46] <zzecool> are you fully updated ?
[16:46] <scar3crow> yep
[16:46] <zzecool> maybe im not the one
[16:46] <zzecool> i just check more updates landed
[16:46] <zzecool> wait for me to update
[16:47] <zzecool> and check if it broken
[16:47] <scar3crow> and... is there an applet for the panel for alsa mixer?
[16:47] <scar3crow> (I uninstalled pulse for gaming)
[16:47] <zzecool> ah i dont rly know
[16:47] <zzecool> whats the problems with gaming and pulse?
[16:47] <scar3crow> no sound
[16:47] <zzecool> duh
[16:47] <scar3crow> or sound lag
[16:48] <zzecool> what are you playing ? =)
[16:48] <scar3crow> doom 3 quake 4
[16:48] <zzecool> =)
[16:48] <scar3crow> ;)
[16:49] <scar3crow> games run WAY better under ubuntu tan in winder$
[16:49] <zzecool> glosoli:  :)
[16:49] <glosoli> zzecool: hey :) how's going
[16:49] <zzecool> i found a very frustating bug
[16:49] <zzecool> based on the dodge removal
[16:50]  * jokerdino thinks hard.
[16:50] <glosoli> zzecool: name it
[16:50] <zzecool> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/930148
[16:50] <glosoli> I found very big bug in whole Unity Design team.
[16:50] <zzecool> its in the 3 latest comments by me
[16:51] <zzecool> :o
[16:51] <zzecool> tell me
[16:51] <glosoli> zzecool: wait I will show you video.
[16:51] <zzecool> ok
[16:52] <zzecool> check mine first :)
[16:52] <zzecool> im login out brb
[16:52] <zzecool> updates
[16:54] <zzecool> back
[16:54] <zzecool> scar3crow: i did the latest update but im ok
[16:55] <zzecool> i think your install is borged
[16:55] <scar3crow> odd
[16:55] <scar3crow> yeah prolly
[16:55] <zzecool> try to update using the main archive server
[16:55] <zzecool> ones more
[16:55] <scar3crow> will wait tho
[16:55] <glosoli> zzecool: that's not a bug by Dodge :)
[16:55] <zzecool> and restart
[16:55] <scar3crow> ah, good call
[16:55] <scar3crow> will do
[16:55] <scar3crow> bbiab
[16:55] <scar3crow> ty zz
[16:55] <zzecool> glosoli: that is based on the absence  of dodge
[16:56] <zzecool> np
[16:56] <glosoli> zzecool: it's just a website or addon writed stupidly
[16:56] <glosoli> :)
[16:56] <zzecool> the website is tranforming based on your resolution
[16:56] <zzecool> its a new tech  glosoli
[16:56] <zzecool> you are getting old
[16:56] <jokerdino> bootstrap
[16:56] <jokerdino> ?
[16:57] <glosoli> As I told you once, I will repeat, it's idiotic programmers problem not knowing how to make expandible gui :)
[16:57] <zzecool> yes
[16:57] <zzecool> :)
[16:57] <zzecool> its a way to understand and chenge the ui based on resolution , if you are a phone a tablet a small screen or a hude tv
[16:57] <glosoli> THe same problem will consist in mac os x if you make dock to be in the left side of screen
[16:57] <glosoli> :)
[16:57] <zzecool> huge*
[16:58] <glosoli> there is no way you are getting dodge back :)
[16:58] <jokerdino> highly unlikely yeah
[16:58] <glosoli> And for even showing that video, Mark will not even care of any other of your opinions
[16:58] <jokerdino> unity-2d still has dodge when i checked last time
[16:58] <zzecool> for reasons noones knows...
[16:58] <zzecool> jokerdino: yes
[16:58] <glosoli> http://youtu.be/ltE_ekc8kE8
[16:58] <glosoli> here is the reason
[16:58] <glosoli> That video shows typical users
[16:58] <glosoli> which is majority of the world
[16:58] <glosoli> programmers and power users are the minority
[16:59] <glosoli> And you will see how hiding global menu items, and close max min when windos is closed affects usibility
[16:59] <zzecool> glosoli: i watched the whole video this morning
[16:59] <glosoli> UNity Design team sometimes don't have any sense of user
[16:59] <zzecool> he isnt not confused at all by dodge
[16:59] <zzecool> he i s confused with everything else than dodge..........
[16:59] <glosoli> zzecool: I didin't said about dodge
[16:59] <zzecool> please take some time and watch it
[16:59] <glosoli> I was talking about whole dsign concept
[16:59] <glosoli> :)
[16:59] <zzecool> ahh
[16:59] <glosoli> People don't like important things to be hidden from them
[17:00] <zzecool> the dodge was the first thing he discover
[17:00] <zzecool> ......
[17:00] <glosoli> zzecool: well yes, but he said he likes always seing it
[17:00] <glosoli> navigating quickly
[17:00] <zzecool> thats true in terms of speed
[17:00] <glosoli> If you watch whole his videos with Windows 8 and Mac OS X first time
[17:00] <glosoli> you will understand
[17:00] <zzecool> i did
[17:00] <glosoli> Just for some geeks and power users
[17:00] <glosoli> nobody cares
[17:00] <glosoli> and that's the point
[17:01] <jokerdino> i would say showing launcher at all times be made default and dodge an option.
[17:01] <jokerdino> like how the LIM seems to shape up
[17:01] <zzecool> jokerdino: true
[17:01] <zzecool> but there will be problems
[17:01] <zzecool> like the video ihave posted on the bug report
[17:01] <glosoli> zzecool: VIDEO IS NOT DODGE PROBLEM.
[17:01] <glosoli> Contact developers
[17:01] <zzecool> .........
[17:01] <glosoli> of that piece of shit
[17:01] <glosoli> addon you are using
[17:01] <jokerdino> zzecool: quickly sum up the points,
[17:02] <jokerdino> glosoli: eh..
[17:02] <glosoli> they did wrong max min pixels in addon
[17:02] <glosoli> that's their problem
[17:02] <zzecool> glosoli: take some time think
[17:02] <zzecool> and come back
[17:02] <jokerdino> it is not an addon, but the new web technology
[17:02] <zzecool> let him
[17:02] <jokerdino> it adjusts the screen space based on the browser width or something like that
[17:02] <glosoli> jokerdino: I don't even care if it's an addon website or whatever, It has It's own thing of setting pixels, OR DOESNT IT ?
[17:03] <glosoli> as I said
[17:03] <glosoli> It has it's own max min pixels for showing 4 columns
[17:03] <bazhang> glosoli, calm down  and watch the language
[17:03] <jokerdino> let's just keep this discussion as civil as possible
[17:03] <glosoli> bazhang: I just can't keep calm when people trying to talk about programming faults some developers make to argue against something that doesn't make sense
[17:04] <zzecool> glosoli: yes glosoli and it is based on default resolutions   not some customs that we have in ubuntu using the launcher in neverhide
[17:04] <bazhang> glosoli, then exit the channel and come back when you are calm
[17:04] <glosoli> zzecool: Check on your Os X, put dock to the left side of screen, you will get the same. Then Blame Apple too
[17:04] <zzecool> glosoli: we are speaking about the default  out of the box experience
[17:05] <glosoli> zzecool: Ok, as following your logic, it means it's canonical fault of not having Adobe Photoshop  :)
[17:05] <zzecool> i think oyu dont understand a word aout what im saying
[17:05] <zzecool> you*
[17:05] <glosoli> Just because programmers who make it ,are not going to. The same with that technologie you shown
[17:05] <glosoli> I think you don't understand how things work
[17:06] <bazhang> lets keep it civil please
[17:07] <glosoli> bazhang: so answer me, is it Ubuntu fault that some website technologie adjust their min max expanding levels and column sets in the wrong way ?
[17:08] <bazhang> glosoli, I'll ask again to calm down.
[17:08] <glosoli> bazhang: I am just asking you. Would you mind answering ?
[17:08] <bazhang> glosoli, not interested in finding fault. this channel is for testing and bug fixing.
[17:09] <glosoli> bazhang: so what's the point of bringing over and over the same bug, to which Mark already answered as It will never be fixed :) ?
[17:09] <zzecool> because it produced more problems to me glosoli
[17:10] <jokerdino> w?e are not getting anywhere, are we
[17:10] <bazhang> thats enough.
[17:10] <topyli> where's the vlc browser plugin? can't find any. is it thrown in the main vlc package now?
[17:11]  * glosoli will not talk ever again here about that dodge thing which was overtalked million times  :)
[17:11] <bazhang> !find vlc
[17:11]  * jokerdino hopes glosoli keeps his promise ;)
[17:16] <bazhang> !info mozilla-plugin-vlc
[17:16] <bazhang> what!
[17:16] <topyli> that's what i said :)
[17:19] <bazhang> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/i386/mozilla-plugin-vlc/1.1.11-2build2
[17:19] <bazhang> something called "launchpadlibrarian has it.
[17:22] <topyli> the version number does not fill me with confidence. we're on vlc 2.0
[17:23] <trism> it is the old version though, from the changelog for 2.0.0-1: "Remove dropped mozilla-plugin-vlc, The Mozilla browser plug-in is now provided by a separate source tarball."
[17:23] <trism> I haven't been able to locate said tarball though
[17:25] <topyli> well, i removed totem and can confirm the plugin is not bundled with the main vlc package either. no plugin in my browser now
[17:27] <micahg> topyli: it's been moved to a separate source now which needs to be sync'd
[17:27] <topyli> this language i do not understand
[17:28] <jokerdino> micahg: oh?
[17:28] <webm0nk3y> does anyone know a workaround to a problem installing P from a USB and using the partition editor? mine always crashes
[17:28]  * jokerdino looks for the upstream package
[17:29] <micahg> jokerdino: it's now in npapi-vlc
[17:29] <jokerdino> i see.
[17:29] <jokerdino> i think we should switch to #ubuntu-devel perhaps..
[17:30] <micahg> jokerdino: -motu ,but sure
[17:30] <jokerdino> well, i am everywhere
[17:30] <topyli> they've hidden the mythical tarball well
[17:30]  * jokerdino more zombie time tonight
[17:33] <topyli> npapi-vlc has a nice launchpad page, but no tarball for topylies
[17:34] <trism> topyli: http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/vlc/2.0.0/ I think
[17:34] <topyli> trism: oh, thanks!
[17:34] <topyli> it's like installing java in 1999 :)
[17:36] <topyli> oh, it's even better. we had binary packages for java at least
[17:36] <trism> based on bug 955028 I imagine it will be in the repo soon
[17:37] <micahg> yeah, it's in source NEW, it needs archive admin review
[17:38]  * topyli aborts build
[17:44] <sere>  hey all
[17:46] <spacebug-> still no fix for the shortcut keys in newer unity
[17:47] <zzecool> spacebug-: ?
[17:48] <zzecool> spacebug-: what problems ?
[17:51] <spacebug-> zzecool: I reported this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/953349
[17:51] <bazhang> !info gimp
[17:51] <zzecool> let me check
[17:52] <spacebug-> suddenly a change in unity made that. Was not like that before
[17:52] <zzecool> spacebug-: ermm
[17:52] <zzecool> spacebug-: everytime there is a compiz or unity update
[17:52] <zzecool> even though you are not changing any shortcuts
[17:53] <zzecool> they go off for some reason
[17:53] <zzecool> the workaround is
[17:53] <zzecool> to go into ccsm
[17:53] <zzecool> and disable and re enable the shortcuts
[17:53] <zzecool> :)
[17:53] <zzecool> one by one
[17:53] <zzecool> those with the problem
[17:53] <spacebug-> zzecool: the problem is not to get them to work again, but they algo gets sent to the running application
[17:54] <spacebug-> they DO change desktop for me.. but also terminal gets the ctrl characters
[17:54] <spacebug-> that is wrong
[17:54] <glosoli> spacebug-: what's the problem ?
[17:54] <zzecool> yes because it is like you dont have those shortcuts
[17:54] <zzecool> spacebug-: oh
[17:54] <zzecool> this is new then
[17:55] <spacebug-> so the bindings work but they should not be sent ro the application but only do what they are binded to
[17:55] <zzecool> i have opened a temrinal and pressing alt + left or right  ( this is my shortcuts )  changing workspaces without getting any input on the terminal
[17:55] <zzecool> terminal*
[17:55] <spacebug-> zzecool: but setting the shortcuts as I describe in my bug?
[17:55] <zzecool> i cant reproduce it
[17:56] <zzecool> wait
[17:56] <glosoli> spacebug-: with a terminal window opened you get chars in the window of terminal when pressing some hotkeys ?
[17:56] <spacebug-> glosoli: look at my bug report
[17:56] <glosoli> spacebug-: gime me link
[17:56] <glosoli> give'
[17:56] <spacebug-> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/953349
[17:57] <zzecool> spacebug-: i cant reproduce it
[17:57] <zzecool> i tried
[17:57] <spacebug-> it was not like this before and this came after a change to unity a few days ago. And yes it is over all my test machines
[17:57] <zzecool> ;/
[17:57] <spacebug-> zzecool: you use ctrl+F1 to F4 to change desktop?
[17:58] <glosoli> spacebug-: you're on kde ?
[17:58] <spacebug-> glosoli: no
[17:58] <glosoli> spacebug-: "InstallationMedia: Kubuntu 11.10 "Oneiric Ocelot" - Release amd64 (20111012)" ?
[17:59] <zzecool> spacebug-: i assign them to move left or right
[17:59] <spacebug-> glosoli: yes upgraded to ubuntu 12.04 beta. Thus is still the same on my other machine with only the beta 1 install
[17:59] <zzecool> where i can assign them to change to a specific workspace ?
[17:59] <spacebug-> zzecool: then you did not do as the bug report ;)
[17:59] <zzecool> yes
[17:59] <spacebug-> zzecool: system settings, keyboard, shortcut, navigaion
[17:59] <zzecool> please tell me where in ccsm you can assign this
[17:59] <zzecool> ok
[17:59] <spacebug-> not in ccsm
[17:59] <zzecool> let me try
[18:00] <spacebug-> but you can do ut there also
[18:00] <glosoli> System settings, keybaord layout shortcuts
[18:00] <glosoli> :)
[18:00] <glosoli> keyboard''
[18:01] <spacebug-> the pre set ctrl+alt+arrow keys does not get sent so they work
[18:01] <glosoli> spacebug-: yes
[18:01] <glosoli> can reproduce it
[18:01] <spacebug-> but I have always had and want ctrl+F# for my workspaces so I can change then with one hand
[18:01] <spacebug-> glosoli: ok good
[18:02] <glosoli> "glosoli@asus:~$ ;5R
[18:02] <glosoli> "
[18:02] <zzecool> it doesnt work at all for me
[18:02] <spacebug-> glosoli: and that is new since an update to unity a few days ago
[18:02] <glosoli> zzecool: you are doing wrong :)
[18:02] <zzecool> i cant do nothing wrong here
[18:02] <glosoli> zzecool: you show scroll down a bit, otherwise you are setting bindings for moving window not the view
[18:03] <spacebug-> glosoli: also very ennoing when a plugin in firefox gets them (session control) so everytime I'm changeing away från firefox on desktop 2 to desktop 1 I get "save session" question up
[18:03] <jeggy> Hey, i am using ubuntu 12.04 beta 64bit, and i have a problem with the wireless connection, how do i fill out a bug report ? i don't know what to put it under. "ubuntu-bug wireless-network" or something like that?
[18:03] <spacebug-> cant use unity like this so now I'm on gnome-fallback
[18:03] <glosoli> !ubuntu-bug
[18:04] <glosoli> hmm what's the command for that ingo ?
[18:04] <glosoli> info''
[18:04] <zzecool> spacebug-: ok i made it
[18:04] <zzecool> im pressing affect me
[18:04] <glosoli> !bug
[18:04] <glosoli> jeggy: here you go :)
[18:04] <spacebug-> ;)
[18:05] <glosoli> spacebug-: Ah, As I don't use Firefox anymore, can reproduce that one, mayne some day I will switch back, as FF is giving attention to web developers by adding many tools inside the ff
[18:06] <spacebug-> glosoli: ok
[18:06] <jeggy> i don't know the package name of it? and when i just write ubuntu-bug and choose "other problem" i get this "You need to specify a package or a PID. See --help for more information."
[18:07] <glosoli> jeggy: hmm wait
[18:07] <jeggy> its just the wireless which isn't working
[18:07] <glosoli> jeggy: what exactly is your problem ?
[18:07] <glosoli> jeggy: are you on dell ?
[18:08] <jeggy> when im looking for wireless connection i find mine and after i put in the security key it says i have internet connection but nothing works
[18:08] <jeggy> yes
[18:08] <glosoli> jeggy: that's a common problem, have you tryed "Additional Drivers" app and seing if there is any offer for you ?
[18:09] <jeggy> yes the list is empty
[18:09] <glosoli> jeggy: can you wait 5 minutes ? I will try to contact some of my friends, he had the same problem :)
[18:09] <jeggy> yeah :D thanks
[18:10] <glosoli> jeggy: meanwhile, would you mind naming your laptop name ?
[18:10] <glosoli> with model I mean
[18:10] <jeggy> Dell XPS 15 l502x
[18:12] <glosoli> jeggy: trying to contact another one :D
[18:12] <jeggy> thank you very much :D
[18:14] <jeggy> is it just me or do Dell computers always have problems? i had a HP for 3 years and everything was fine and then i got this one everything got screwed didn't even work with ubuntu 10.10 but when 11.04 came it worked but the graphic driver is not working as it should
[18:14] <glosoli> jeggy: hmm, might sound crazy, have you tryed turning on wireless by hotkey on the keyboard something like FN + F2  or any other you should see an incon on the keyboard button
[18:15] <jeggy> no its not that, i have tried turning it off and on again, but what actually happens is that i find our router and get connection but when i go onto the browser nothing works
[18:16] <jeggy> but when im using ethernet it works
[18:16] <glosoli> jeggy: hmm, have you trying in terminal "ping google.com"
[18:16] <glosoli> while being on wireless
[18:16] <jeggy> gonna try
[18:16] <jeggy> brb ;)
[18:18] <jeggy> back
[18:18] <glosoli> jeggy: on wireless ?
[18:18] <jeggy> nope
[18:18] <jeggy> got this "ping: unknown host google.com"
[18:18] <jeggy> but it said i had wireless connection
[18:19] <glosoli> jeggy: there was some problem for me, even when I turn on wireless in my laptop, it must go to that networking icon in panel and press "Enable Wireless"
[18:20] <jeggy> glosoli: yes, but if its not enabled i wouldn't find our router :/
[18:20] <jeggy> i can try and look at my bios?
[18:20] <glosoli> jeggy: nah
[18:21] <glosoli> jeggy: if it finds router
[18:21] <glosoli> you could try to look at your router
[18:21] <glosoli> jeggy: for me it looks more like your router isn't giving the connection
[18:21] <glosoli> jeggy: do you have any other wireless devices at home, which you can try ?
[18:21] <jeggy> yeah, wait a second
[18:22] <glosoli> jeggy: In my router for example I am shown of ports forwarded for my wireless devices which are using it
[18:22] <glosoli> should be the same for yours
[18:25] <jeggy> glosoli: i tried a toshiba with windows on it, but the wireless was working fine on there
[18:26] <zzecool> jeggy: what is your router ip ?
[18:26] <glosoli> jeggy: hmm, are you able to connect to router admin page while being on wireless to check if there is any port forwarded ?
[18:27] <jeggy> nope, can't get in my router while being on wireless
[18:28] <zzecool> jeggy: open a terminal and type ifconfig wlan0
[18:28] <zzecool> what is your addr : ?
[18:28] <zzecool> it is on the  2nd line
[18:28] <jeggy>  inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>  Bcast:<IP_ADDRESS>  Mask:<IP_ADDRESS>
[18:28] <jeggy> that?
[18:28] <zzecool> yes
[18:29] <zzecool> try to ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:29] <ironhalik> .255?
[18:29] <ironhalik> strange
[18:29] <zzecool> hmm
[18:29] <jeggy> PING <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[18:29] <jeggy> From <IP_ADDRESS> icmp_seq=18 Destination Host Unreachable
[18:30] <jeggy> while using ethernet
[18:30] <zzecool> ermm
[18:30] <zzecool> why are you using ethernet?
[18:30] <glosoli> he can't access internet via wifi
[18:31] <jeggy> it says wifi works but it doesn't
[18:31] <glosoli> jeggy: is there only computer in the house ?
[18:31] <jeggy> that has wifi, yes
[18:32] <zzecool> jeggy: how did you setup your wlan ? are you having a static ip  or it is in auto  - dhcp?
[18:32] <glosoli> jeggy: Connect that laptop to wifi, login to the router administration via some other computer, and check if it forwards any ports for your laptop :)
[18:32] <RobinJ1995> why does my ubuntu 12.04 installation suddenly ask to do a distribution upgrade? (as in going from 12.04 to 12.04, not as in apt-get dist-upgrade)
[18:32] <zzecool> glosoli:
[18:33] <jeggy> glosoli: where do i find that ?
[18:33] <glosoli> jeggy: router administration panel ?
[18:33] <zzecool> jeggy:  please listen to me
[18:33] <zzecool> for some strange reason you are having the broadcasting ip address asigned on your pc
[18:33] <zzecool> glosoli: please hold a minute
[18:34] <zzecool> jeggy: how did you setup up your wireless connection ?
[18:34] <jeggy> i don't know
[18:34] <zzecool> ok
[18:34] <glosoli> RobinJ1995: it's a version of packages, distribution packages :)
[18:34] <zzecool> press the wireless icon
[18:34] <zzecool> go to edit connections
[18:34] <zzecool> its on the bottom
[18:34] <zzecool> did you find it ?
[18:34] <jeggy> yes
[18:34] <zzecool> go to 2nd tab
[18:35] <zzecool> wireless
[18:35] <zzecool> find in there you wireless name
[18:35] <jeggy> found
[18:35] <zzecool> select it and press edit
[18:35] <zzecool> mode should be infrastructure
[18:36] <zzecool> is it ?
[18:36] <jeggy> yes
[18:36] <zzecool> ok
[18:36] <zzecool> go to the 2nd tab
[18:36] <zzecool> ipv4
[18:36] <jeggy> yes
[18:36] <zzecool> method should be automatic dhcp
[18:36] <zzecool> is it ?
[18:36] <jeggy> no
[18:36] <jeggy> was on manual
[18:37] <zzecool> ok is there any reaosn to be on manual ?
[18:37] <zzecool> who did this ?
[18:37] <glosoli> interesting hm
[18:37] <jeggy> wait a min im gonna test it out now
[18:37] <zzecool> jeggy: wait
[18:37] <zzecool> dont test
[18:37] <zzecool> just answer me
[18:37] <zzecool> im trying to help
[18:38] <zzecool> if you gonna put this on auto your router should  have a dhcp server running to give you an ip
[18:38] <zzecool> most router have dchp by defualt
[18:38] <zzecool> but
[18:39] <zzecool> if for some reason you want to run any service on this pc that needs a port forward you either need upnp service on router or static ip on your pc
[18:39] <zzecool> an port forward on the router side*
[18:40] <zzecool> i bet puting the method to auto should just work
[18:40] <glosoli> jeggy_: working ?
[18:40] <zzecool> prolly
[18:40] <jeggy_> I'm really sorry zzecool and glosoli
[18:40] <jeggy_> yes it works now :P
[18:41] <zzecool> you dont need to sry
[18:41] <zzecool> read my previous comments
[18:41] <glosoli> jeggy_: I am just interested you havent changed nothing in that connection properties by default ?
[18:41] <jeggy_> i disconnected to test it out, so i didn't get them
[18:41] <jeggy_> oh it was me who did it
[18:42] <zzecool> i send them to you
[18:42] <zzecool> if you dont know what port forward is  or if you dont want to run a service like ftp  or web server
[18:42] <zzecool> then you are ok with this setup
[18:43] <jeggy_> i don't :P
[18:43] <zzecool> do you download torrents ? :)
[18:43] <jeggy_> of course :P
[18:43] <zzecool> then you need ;p
[18:43] <jeggy_> and i use filezilla
[18:44] <zzecool> jeggy_: read this  :)
[18:44] <zzecool> http://portforward.com/help/portforwarding.htm
[18:45] <glosoli> zzecool: might be that his rauter allows portforwarding automatically from software
[18:45] <glosoli> :)
[18:45] <jeggy_> will do :D
[18:45] <glosoli> router''
[18:45] <jeggy_> Thank you very much, i love these irc channels :D started to use them yesterday  :P
[18:46] <jeggy_> the ubuntu ones*
[18:46] <zzecool> jeggy_: yes but your questions belong to a more general channel like ubuntu
[18:46] <jeggy_> i was there but they sent me here
[18:46] <zzecool> here we are bug hunting for precise
[18:46] <zzecool> :)
[18:46] <glosoli> they are always sending people here.
[18:46] <zzecool> because you said you are using precise
[18:47] <zzecool> but your question is not relevant
[18:47] <zzecool> its was a general one
[18:47] <jeggy_> yea, sorry for that :P
[18:47] <jeggy_> maybe i will be back soon, i had a problem with dual monitors in ubuntu 11.10 but im gonna test that out in a bit in 12.04
[18:48] <zzecool> lol
[18:48] <zzecool> this is a weak point
[18:48] <zzecool> ;p
[18:49] <jeggy_> http://askubuntu.com/questions/112260/dualscreen-not-working-when-using-a-dell-xps-15-via-an-hdmi-cable-to-a-tv tried everything yesterday and it ended with that i destroyed ubuntu, so now i use 12.04
[18:51] <jeggy_> but thanks again and bye
[19:01] <danielc> Hi. I have a lot of files like ~/.goutputstream-2XYZAW or ~/.goutputstream-2XYZAW polluting my home folder. It started after I upgrated to 12.04. Anyone known which program may be creating (and not removing) this tmp files? I would like to fill a bug report about it.
[19:02] <danielc> Ops, I messed up the example. :) The files have names in the format
[19:02] <danielc>   ~/.goutputstream-XXXXXX
[19:07] <danielc> I've posted this on Ubuntu foruns [http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11754335] but no one else replyed.
[19:08] <spaceneedle> Bug: If you press the little house icon on the dash the dash gets darker and darker. I'm using 11.10.
[19:10] <ironhalik> house icon? :D
[19:11] <tomreyn> hi, i just installed beta1, did a did-upgrade and then tried to install the "megaglest", running into depedency issues. apparently we're lacking a <IP_ADDRESS> megaglest-data package in ubuntu. it's available in debian, though. can this be fixed before release?
[19:15] <ironhalik> tomreyn: You can file a bug, theres a good chance it will be sorted out
[19:22] <alkisg> My UI languge is el_GR.UTF-8 and my keyboard layout us,gr. lightdm keeps breaking them occasionally, and I either get an english UI or/and an english only keyboard layout.
[19:22] <alkisg> I also have autologin enabled, so I'm not doing anything to break them, it just happens randomly.
[19:22] <alkisg> I then delete my .dmrc, and /var/cache/lightdm/dmrc, and after a couple of tries I manage to fix them again (I don't want to use the language selector, I just want to have the system defaults)
[19:22] <alkisg> And after 10-20 automatic logins, they break again.
[19:23] <alkisg> Anyone else experienced that behavior?
[19:24] <alkisg> Or, any way to pinpoint the problem so that I file a good bug report about it?
[19:28] <lukescharf> Is anyone else seeing gnome-shell crashes on Precise today?
[19:30] <alkisg> Ah, I also have 100% xorg cpu usage and metacity crashes randomly the last week (not sure if it's related at all to what lukescharf just said, just mentioning in case someone saw those too)
[19:33] <lukescharf> I didn't capture the error message the first few times through.  The last time I saw it, it was just a straight-up segmentation fault.
[19:34] <lukescharf> Before that, the error messages and googling suggested a connection to libcogl
[19:35] <lukescharf> It ran fine on the resident gnome-shell until I decided to patch-and-reboot around midday.
[19:42] <trism> lukescharf: we are in the middle of a transition to the new version of gnome-shell and its dependencies, right now it is waiting on mutter to build, try updated again a bit later
[19:44] <lukescharf> Great!
[19:44] <lukescharf> That's what I was hoping to hear -- I knew what I was getting in to when I decided to run a pre-release system.  :-)
[19:45] <lukescharf> But I did want to make sure the problem had been reported, and I didn't have enough for a regular bug report.
[19:46] <spaceneedle> Bug Update: You can ONLY change the color of the dash by pressing the icons on the dash if  the dash blur is shutoff via compiz on ubuntu 11.10.
[20:07] <Mylenthes> EY!
[20:10] <ironhalik> Is there any way to bypass BIOS fan control from OS level?
[20:10] <imark> anyone using cinnamon 1.4, i cant log in with it for the last day or 2
[20:10] <ironhalik> currently I have i8kutils fighting over fan control with BIOS hardcoded settings
[20:10] <ironhalik> it causes the fan to cycle, depending on i8k refresh rate
[20:11] <jesse_> herro
[20:12] <jesse_> HEllo
[20:12] <teratoma> what
[20:12] <jesse_> I cant get gnomeshell to work
[20:12] <jesse_> freezes
[20:14] <FernandoMiguel> evening
[20:18] <trism> maybe somebody should updated the /topic about the gnome-shell transition until it is finished
[20:19] <trism> update, I can't type in proper tense today
[20:22] <ironhalik> whats with gnome-shell?
[20:23] <zorael> Did netbios hostname resolution behavior change in precise? I've always gotten it to work with winbind and modifying /etc/nsswitch.conf, but this time it simply refuses to work. nslookup just asks my ISP DNS despite wins being entered before dns in said nsswitch.conf
[20:24] <ses1984> hey, i had a question not sure if this is the place to ask or #ubuntu+1, anyway i just installed precise server x64 in a VM and noticed that python-django* packages were not in the repos,
[20:24] <ses1984> i mean if this channel or #ubuntu-server would be the right place to ask
[20:25] <trism> ses1984: have you apt-get update; yet? I see the python-django-* packages
[20:25] <ses1984> i did not do that yet...hah that's probably it
[20:26] <ses1984> yup that's it
[20:35] <FernandoMiguel> what's that white bar over HUD?
[20:35] <log> White bar?
[20:37] <FernandoMiguel> yeah
[20:38] <log> FernandoMiguel: I get a random white bar in the top left-hand corner of my screen sometimes that forces me to reboot, but it's not limited to HUD.
[20:40] <FernandoMiguel> http://i.imgur.com/m21U1.png
[20:40] <FernandoMiguel> yeah
[21:01] <zzecool> FernandoMiguel: i think this is what left of a borged chrome
[21:01] <zzecool> isnt it ?
[21:01] <zzecool> ;p
[21:02] <pdkl> is the best way to revert to a "default" install is to reinstall?
[21:02] <FernandoMiguel> pdkl: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ?
[21:02] <zzecool> pdkl: you are speaking baout applications or UI settings ?
[21:02] <zzecool> about*
[21:03] <pdkl> both, i was mucking around with trying out different window managers
[21:03] <pdkl> i just dont want that junk installed.
[21:03] <pdkl> i used apt-get autoremote xxxxx
[21:03] <pdkl> it seemed to remove things i needed :)
[21:04] <zzecool> pdkl: go with reinstall for your sanity
[21:04] <pdkl> ok.
[21:20] <ironhalik> so, whats up with gnome-shell?
[21:55] <Num83rGuy> Why does SAMBA hate me? It works perfect for a while then now it says user name and pass word are invalid . They are not wrong.
[21:55] <MountainX> a standard install of Kubuntu 12.04 beta 1 appears to be missing /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache
[21:55] <MountainX> can anyone confirm this?
[21:56] <Num83rGuy> I now have t waste another DVD to transfer files. And yes, I know this is beta but, this happened on 11.04 and 11.10.
[22:02] <aspdih> anybody here?
[22:04] <itaylor57> no
[22:04] <aspdih> :P
[22:04] <aspdih> I have a problem - all the menus leave a trace instead of disappearing
[22:06] <glosoli> aspdih: have you updated your system  ?
[22:06] <aspdih> I keep updating it but wasn't getting anything new for a few days
[22:06] <glosoli> aspdih: even today ?
[22:06] <glosoli> aspdih: are you on precise ?
[22:07] <aspdih> I think today flash got updated
[22:07] <aspdih> yes I am
[22:08] <glosoli> aspdih: you should switch to main mirrror
[22:10] <aspdih> wow thanks
[22:11] <aspdih> 600megs worth of downloading...
[22:11] <aspdih> so what's with the spanish mirror?
[22:11] <glosoli> aspdih: there is everything with all, except main
[22:11] <glosoli> they are not updated as fast
[22:11] <glosoli> as main :)
[22:11] <glosoli> Main Mirror always get updates first
[22:11] <aspdih> but not like a week late??
[22:12] <glosoli> aspdih: might be :/ you never know
[22:12] <aspdih> aint there a schedule? Damn, I'm getting old - even the main mirror is at 1mbps. Where is my dialup...
[22:13] <aspdih> anyway, thank you, hopefully it all got fixed
[22:14] <glosoli> aspdih: there is, but I am not sure who is responsible for updating other mirrors
[22:38] <Jordan_U> I tried to install Precise with a btrfs root and ubiquity crashed, any idea how to get Precise installed with a btrfs root? Is installing with a btrfs root supported?
[22:44] <FernandoMiguel> chrome://sessions
[22:44] <FernandoMiguel> :D
[22:49] <glosoli> hm ? :D
[23:03] <bicyclist> Anyone any information if gnome 3 is currently broken in precise pangolin? I get no window decoration and no menu any more.
[23:06] <log> bicyclist: I tried it yesterday, and it worked fine, I think.
[23:06]  * log shrugs.
[23:06] <log> It seemed kind of stupid, though. ;P
[23:06] <itaylor57> bicyclist, well your ability to login in and out repeatly seems to be working fine :>)
[23:07] <log> Not as good as the screenshots seemed to make it out to be.
[23:07] <bicyclist> Grin true, i am currently on unity due to trying to recover my gnome 3 desktop not a single menu or window border visible
[23:08] <bicyclist> But unity and gnome classic just work fine. So i have to stick with them for the time being or is there any way to reset gnome 3 completely to default?
[23:08] <log> Not sure, to be honest.
[23:08] <log> I'm just staying with Unity. :P
[23:09] <log> It's gotten so much better since Oneiric.
[23:09] <log> And Natty, for that matter.
[23:14] <soaringsky> yeah, unity has gotten better with more time to bake
[23:15] <mylenthes> Hello
[23:15] <mylenthes> I cant get gnome shell to work
[23:15] <mylenthes> it doesnt use compiz amiright?
[23:16] <lukescharf> Wohoo!  The gnome-shell package that was released in the last hour or so solved my problem, and Gnome is working well for me!  Thank you!
[23:17] <mylenthes> what was your problem?
[23:17] <mylenthes> and i didnt get an update ?
[23:18] <mylenthes> Are you using a repo?
[23:19] <lukescharf> I recently upgraded with Precise.  I patched-and-rebooted earlier today, but was not able to log in to Gnome.  When I ran gnome-shell from the command-line, I got a segfault (and, at times, a variety of other interesting error messages).
[23:20] <scientes> my UID == 499, and instead of showing my username it shows "guest"
[23:20] <scientes> what a POS
[23:20] <lukescharf> I asked about it in this channel this afternoon, and one of the people on the channel mentioned that a number of the packages related to gnome-shell were being rebuilt, and that that the problem would likely be fixed in an update later today.
[23:20] <glosoli> hmm there is possibility that Gnome will make it to have 3.4 in ubuntu :)
[23:20] <scientes> how can i either: 1.hide a user from lightdm, or 2. show the username of a UID < 500
[23:20] <lukescharf> And the problem was fixed in an update later today.
[23:21] <lukescharf> I really do want to see Gnome 3.4.  I was hoping to track something newer than the Oneiric version when I decided to jump up to the early-prerelease of Precise.
[23:22] <lukescharf> Anyway, I'm just a chatty user -- but I wanted to make sure to leave a thank-you for the updated package.
[23:24] <mylenthes> hmm i didnt get an updatr
[23:24] <mylenthes> my gnome shell simply freezes upon login
[23:26] <soaringsky> mylenthes: are you using a mirror instead of the main repo? some of the mirrors are out of sync or behind
[23:36] <scientes> WTF why are the fonts called "ubuntu"
[23:36] <scientes> they are just dejavuy
[23:36] <scientes> before they were generticized to "sans" and "serif"
[23:37] <scientes> but now you guys have to branzize fonts wtf
[23:37] <Daekdroom> scientes, Ubuntu font was created.
[23:37] <Daekdroom> It's not a rebrand, or an edit to any existing font
[23:38] <scientes> really woah
[23:38] <scientes> when redhat remade the ms fonts they called them liberty or something like that
[23:38] <scientes> and no serif
[23:39] <scientes> interesting
[23:45] <scientes> well how can i get my user name to show in the upper right when my UID < 500 ?
[23:45] <scientes> or alternatively, how do i get lightdm not not show a user
[23:45] <scientes> (other than UID < 500 )
[23:45] <scientes> this is a multiseat system


[07:48] <micahg> Ampelbein: would it be ok if I waited until the morning to sponsor crda?  I'm worried about something breaking while I"m asleep and being a holiday weekend w/out too many people around, I'd prefer to be cautious
[07:53] <Ampelbein> micahg: of course that would be ok, there are other patches I need to prepare for the libnl3-dev NBS (libvirt, ntrack and quota) anyway.
[07:53] <Ampelbein> thank you!
[07:53] <micahg> Ampelbein: you might want to coordinate with cyphermox as I know he's working on that as well, thank you for your work
[07:55] <Ampelbein> micahg: will do that!
[13:18] <cyphermox> Ampelbein: I already have merge proposals for ntrack and quota :)
[13:27] <Ampelbein> cyphermox: Ok, cool. I'm at libvirt right now but there's 2 failures in the testsuite. (http://paste.ubuntu.com/782160/) They should be unrelated to the libnl3 change though so I'm at a loss.
[13:28] <cyphermox> aye
[13:28] <cyphermox> don't know either just looking at those
[13:29] <cyphermox> tbh, I'm not going to be touching anything this weekend though
[13:30] <cyphermox> Ampelbein: btw, your crda patch seems incorrect
[13:30] <cyphermox> Ampelbein: it seems to me like it would be missing a change to CFLAGS to get to the netlink headers
[13:32] <Ampelbein> cyphermox: Nope, the original Makefile already has: CFLAGS += `pkg-config --cflags $(NLLIBNAME)`
[13:33] <cyphermox> Ampelbein: ah, that was missing from the diff
[13:33] <cyphermox> cool then ;)
[13:35] <Ampelbein> cyphermox: About iw, yes, the debian maintainer replied in the debian bug 653189
[13:35] <cyphermox> yup :)
[13:36] <cyphermox> too bad wpasupplicant and iw haven't been sponsored yet; but essentially I was expecting Heiko to upload them, given that he suggested doing it and the wpa maintainers were looking for a sponsor
[13:37] <Ampelbein> It wouldn't hurt to wait until iw is in debian.
[13:38] <cyphermox> it's not the biggest deal though, the change is simple. but I know the diff they have also moves it to /sbin
[20:46] <Ampelbein> cyphermox: I found the reason for that test FAIL in libvirt... I use libeatmydata in my sbuild chroots, which of course change fsync to be a noop.... Classic case of PEBKAC. Without libeatmydata, compilation works.


[09:00] <DanChapman> Good Morning all
[12:21] <Raven67854> morning DanChapman
[15:55] <Aki-Thinkpad> hey for gradients, is it possible to do it diagonally?
[17:02] <Max_Tither> Hello, I was wondering how some people are implementing the bottom edge swipe? Is this going to be built into the sdk, or are developers left to do the work.
[17:09] <AskUbuntu> module verification failed signature and/or required key missing | http://askubuntu.com/q/483283
[20:29] <Aki-Thinkpad> Bah; I just can't figure out how to change a colour gradient on a button state
[20:39] <__llort__> how long does it take to get my app on the ubuntu store
[20:39] <__llort__> Been waiting 3 weeks so far still pending review
[21:04] <daker> __llort__: desktop app ?
[21:04] <__llort__> daker, yeah
[21:12] <daker> __llort__: that's true, the desktop review queue is long and it's done manually
[21:15] <__llort__> daker, they seems to be accepting like 1 per week
[22:09] <Max_Tither> Hello
[23:19] <Aki-Thinkpad> Max_Tither, hey
[23:19] <Aki-Thinkpad> you had a question earlier
[23:20] <Aki-Thinkpad> The bottom swipe; you aren't talking about the popover menu, are you?
[23:20] <Max_Tither> Hello
[23:20] <Aki-Thinkpad> heya
[23:20] <Max_Tither> I mean from the article loving the bottom edge
[23:21] <Max_Tither> I'm using the new header toolbar, so that means that I can use the bottom edge to my choosing
[23:21] <Aki-Thinkpad> Max_Tither, the bottom edge is the popover I believe, here, a screenshot
[23:21] <Aki-Thinkpad> oh?
[23:21] <Aki-Thinkpad> screenshots would help
[23:22] <Max_Tither> Unless it is mostly design, I don't know if there is going to be an api: http://design.canonical.com/2014/03/loving-the-bottom-edge/
[23:22] <Max_Tither> What I would like to do is slide from the bottom to slide to the top a page
[23:24] <Aki-Thinkpad> Max_Tither, yah I hadn't seen that design page
[23:24] <Aki-Thinkpad> Max_Tither, so your gesture is just to do a little slide, and have that scroll to the top?
[23:25] <Max_Tither> Aki-Thinkpad, Correct
[23:25] <Aki-Thinkpad> Max_Tither, hrmmmmmmmmmmmm....
[23:25] <Max_Tither> Aki-Thinkpad, I found something that I will try: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/Ubuntu.Components.Popups.ActionSelectionPopover/
[23:26] <Aki-Thinkpad> Max_Tither, well that is the easiest solution; just put a button in the popover that will activate a scroll
[23:26] <Aki-Thinkpad> Max_Tither, I don't know whether there is an api for it yet, but this place is pretty quiet on the weekends
[23:27] <Max_Tither> Aki-Thinkpad, You are actually the first person to have a conversation with on this channel. When I have no luck, I turn to google+. I might poll some people on the developer Community.
[23:28] <Aki-Thinkpad> Max_Tither, seriously this place does get busy
[23:28] <Aki-Thinkpad> monday mornings england time
[23:29] <Aki-Thinkpad> Max_Tither, you can always ping me, although in this case I have no clue.
[23:29] <Max_Tither> Ah thats the problem, I am in the states on the eastern coast. By the time I get on, It must be already the afternoon or evening over there
[23:29] <Aki-Thinkpad> Max_Tither, ha
[23:29] <Aki-Thinkpad> what app you developing btw?
[23:29] <Max_Tither> Aki-Thinkpad, I am very new to irc. What does ping mean?
[23:29] <Aki-Thinkpad> Max_Tither, Ping is a network protocol
[23:29] <Aki-Thinkpad> you say ping
[23:29] <Aki-Thinkpad> I say pong
[23:30] <Aki-Thinkpad> so lets try it
[23:30] <Max_Tither> Aki-Thinkpad, I have been jumping when I fail, but currently I am making an hours tracker
[23:30] <Aki-Thinkpad> Max_Tither, Ping
[23:30] <Max_Tither> Aki-Thinkpad, pong
[23:30] <Max_Tither> Thats it?
[23:30] <Aki-Thinkpad> yep
[23:30] <Max_Tither> ha
[23:30] <Max_Tither> I though it was a command
[23:31] <Max_Tither> Aki-Thinkpad, I know ping from networking, but not irc. Interesting
[23:31] <Aki-Thinkpad> the head devs here are popey, dpm, mhall119 , and  probably someone I am missing
[23:31] <Aki-Thinkpad> but they are usually doing the ubuntu on air sessions
[23:31] <Max_Tither> nik90
[23:31] <Aki-Thinkpad> Max_Tither, yah its a bit of a joke. Usually just saying their name, they will eventually get back to you. Just make sure you idle your irc
[23:31] <Aki-Thinkpad> don't disconnect
[23:32] <Max_Tither> Aki-Thinkpad, Ok.
[23:32] <Aki-Thinkpad> Max_Tither, Have you tried the ubuntu stack exchange?
[23:32] <Aki-Thinkpad> AskUbuntu.com?
[23:32] <Aki-Thinkpad> its really helpful if you ask the question there, as that helps everyone
[23:32] <Max_Tither> Aki-Thinkpad, I found that Google plus is the quickest and most dynamic way to get a response.
[23:32] <Max_Tither> Though I am a member
[23:32] <Aki-Thinkpad> Max_Tither, but it only helps yourself :P
[23:33] <Aki-Thinkpad> when you use ask ubuntu, it contributes to the community
[23:33] <Aki-Thinkpad> and you get brownie points
[23:33] <Max_Tither> Aki-Thinkpad, Maybe if I find that it is something that contributes to the community, I ask there.
[23:33] <Max_Tither> I think this question may actually be very useful for many people
[23:33] <Max_Tither> I may try there.
[23:34] <Aki-Thinkpad> brb
[23:34] <Max_Tither> ok
[23:36] <Aki-Thinkpad> gtg
[23:37] <Aki-Thinkpad> shopping
[23:37] <Max_Tither> Aki-Thinkpad, Have a good day or night and best regards on your trip.
[23:37] <Max_Tither> Thanks for your advice
[23:48] <popey> Max_Tither: wassup?
[23:49] <Max_Tither> Good Evening popey
[23:49] <Max_Tither> : )
[23:49] <Max_Tither> Nothing much, and yourself?
[23:50] <Max_Tither> popey, I was curious, Is there an api for the new bottom edge, or are developers going to have to find a way to utilize it?
[23:58] <popey> not as such really
[23:58] <popey> its pretty much a free-for-all
[23:58] <popey> but t1mp and nik90 know more about that ☻ ask again during the european working week ☻


[07:17] <mup> Bug #1922876 opened: Deploy KVM hosts with LXD by default <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1922876>
[07:20] <mup> Bug #1922876 changed: Deploy KVM hosts with LXD by default <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1922876>
[07:23] <mup> Bug #1922876 opened: Deploy KVM hosts with LXD by default <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1922876>
[08:38] <mup> Bug #1922891 opened: MAAS configures nodes with incorrect DNS server addresses  when using multiple IP addresses <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1922891>
[08:44] <mup> Bug #1922891 changed: MAAS configures nodes with incorrect DNS server addresses  when using multiple IP addresses <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1922891>
[08:48] <mup> Bug #1922891 opened: MAAS configures nodes with incorrect DNS server addresses  when using multiple IP addresses <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1922891>
[08:51] <mup> Bug #1922891 changed: MAAS configures nodes with incorrect DNS server addresses  when using multiple IP addresses <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1922891>
[08:54] <mup> Bug #1922891 opened: MAAS configures nodes with incorrect DNS server addresses  when using multiple IP addresses <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1922891>
[11:00] <mup> Bug #1922303 changed: View owner_data in GUI <MAAS:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1922303>
[11:03] <mup> Bug #1922303 opened: View owner_data in GUI <MAAS:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1922303>
[11:06] <mup> Bug #1922303 changed: View owner_data in GUI <MAAS:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1922303>
[11:33] <mup> Bug #1922910 opened: Unable to deploy HWE kernel with sub-arch set to xgene-uboot <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1922910>
[11:36] <mup> Bug #1922910 changed: Unable to deploy HWE kernel with sub-arch set to xgene-uboot <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1922910>
[11:39] <mup> Bug #1922910 opened: Unable to deploy HWE kernel with sub-arch set to xgene-uboot <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1922910>
[14:48] <mup> Bug #1922107 changed: Hugepages/pinning available for virsh and lack validation <ui> <MAAS:Fix Released> <maas-ui:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1922107>
[14:48] <mup> Bug #1922433 changed: Machine resources path set incorrectly in rackd when using snap <MAAS:Fix Released by ack> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1922433>
[14:54] <mup> Bug #1922107 opened: Hugepages/pinning available for virsh and lack validation <ui> <MAAS:Fix Released> <maas-ui:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1922107>
[14:54] <mup> Bug #1922433 opened: Machine resources path set incorrectly in rackd when using snap <MAAS:Fix Released by ack> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1922433>
[15:00] <mup> Bug #1922107 changed: Hugepages/pinning available for virsh and lack validation <ui> <MAAS:Fix Released> <maas-ui:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1922107>
[15:00] <mup> Bug #1922433 changed: Machine resources path set incorrectly in rackd when using snap <MAAS:Fix Released by ack> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1922433>
[18:06] <mup> Bug #1922948 opened: Snap services die and never come back up <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1922948>
[18:24] <mup> Bug #1922948 changed: Snap services die and never come back up <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1922948>
[18:30] <mup> Bug #1922948 opened: Snap services die and never come back up <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1922948>
[20:55] <mup> Bug #1922965 opened: MAAS Beta 1 UI enters unrecoverable state <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1922965>
[21:01] <mup> Bug #1922965 changed: MAAS Beta 1 UI enters unrecoverable state <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1922965>
[21:04] <mup> Bug #1922965 opened: MAAS Beta 1 UI enters unrecoverable state <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1922965>
[21:07] <mup> Bug #1922965 changed: MAAS Beta 1 UI enters unrecoverable state <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1922965>
[21:10] <mup> Bug #1922965 opened: MAAS Beta 1 UI enters unrecoverable state <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1922965>
[21:13] <mup> Bug #1922969 opened: commissioning fails on MAAS 3.0 Beta 1 attemping port :5248 in one step <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1922969>
[21:19] <mup> Bug #1922969 changed: commissioning fails on MAAS 3.0 Beta 1 attemping port :5248 in one step <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1922969>
[21:22] <mup> Bug #1922969 opened: commissioning fails on MAAS 3.0 Beta 1 attemping port :5248 in one step <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1922969>


[21:39] <pleia2> good progress on summaries :) just need a few more
[21:40] <pleia2> I'll finish any that aren't done and do a quick proof-read before copying them over in a few hours
[21:41] <pleia2> so please pitch in soon if you're able :)
[21:44] <nlsthzn> wow... I better get in or miss out :p
[21:47] <philipballew> time to help!
[21:50] <nlsthzn> hey... there are still lots... it was a trap :p
[21:51] <pleia2> not really
[21:51] <pleia2> most of the ones at the bottom are done
[21:51] <pleia2> just some planet ones to do
[21:51] <pleia2> and one launchpad and one loco
[21:51] <pleia2> so fewer than 10!
[21:53] <MrChrisDruif> So only 10, you lot can do it right? (as it's almost bedtime over here =( )
[21:56] <nlsthzn> http://blog.launchpad.net/translations/translation-imports-making-approval-conflicts-visible
[21:57] <nlsthzn> I think I found a way to summaries without understanding a word of it...
[23:27] <pleia2> pulling the friendly news because their server has been down for a while
[23:27] <pleia2> hm, maybe it's still worthwhile
[23:27] <pleia2> I'll keep it in for now, maybe pull it tomorrow