[05:45] <Green> hey guys
[05:45] <Green> anyone here/
[05:45] <Green> ?
[09:58] <orflon> hello, is there a way to refresh the desktop from command line? I change the wallpaper through a script, keeping the wallpaper's name the same, but chaning the actual image, though I need something like a refresh/reload to load the new image.
[11:01] <apanda> ahoi. does anyone know how to disable "autoplay" for removable media in lubuntu? i dont want the popups that ask what to do
[12:01] <silverarrow> I discoved an error in my lubuntu cd
[12:02] <silverarrow> the one I used for installing
[12:02] <silverarrow> cd health ceck; error fund in 1 files!
[12:02] <bioterror> who dares to fund errors in lubuntu CD's!
[12:03] <bioterror> now you can burn that CD again or move to USB sticks ;)
[12:03] <silverarrow> pool/restricted/b/bcmwl/bcmwl-kernel_source_5.100.8238+bdcom_0ubuntu2_38deb
[12:04] <silverarrow> i can
[12:04] <silverarrow> usb is better?
[12:04] <bioterror> faster, harder
[12:04] <silverarrow> lubuntu is failing on me
[12:04] <silverarrow> the most unfortunate ways
[12:05] <silverarrow> i get "os not detected"
[12:05] <M0hi> silverarrow: you are contributing well im making people aware about the possible errors that can occur in a machine
[12:05] <silverarrow> even #hd not detected" at bootup
[12:05] <M0hi> you are a good bug triager ;)
[12:05] <silverarrow> lol
[12:06] <silverarrow> I think bios is a bid shoddy in my laptop
[12:06] <gentoo_drummer> anyone here?
[12:06] <gentoo_drummer> how do i change the keybinds?
[12:07] <silverarrow> binds?
[12:07] <gentoo_drummer> is it lxde or openbox config, it's too weird theres no rc file
[12:08] <gentoo_drummer> anyone?
[12:08] <silverarrow> sorry, I'm not in lubuntu right now
[12:08] <silverarrow> I need to fix mine
[12:09] <bioterror> gentoo_drummer, ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml
[12:09] <bioterror> and there he goes
[12:09] <bioterror> damn you adhd generation!
[12:09] <bioterror> more energy drinks and candy bars
[12:10] <silverarrow> or maybe good old coffee
[12:10] <silverarrow> lol
[12:11] <phillw> bioterror: ditto, I was also just looking it up!
[12:11] <bioterror> phillw, memorize it!
[12:53] <silverarrow> is lubuntu using LVM logical volume management?
[12:54] <KM0201> i beleive it can, but you have to use the Alt. CD, and you have to set it up... it doesn't do it by default.
[12:54] <KM0201> http://www.davelachapelle.ca/guides/ubuntu-lvm-guide/
[12:55] <silverarrow> thanks
[12:55] <KM0201> that's pretty old though
[12:55] <silverarrow> I'm trying to figure out why lubuntu hd is not detected
[12:56] <KM0201> on a new system or adding a new drive, or what?
[13:06] <silverarrow> I have a fairly new hard drive, lubuntu has behaved fine the last two months, but something has happened
[13:07] <silverarrow> bios does not detect hd, neither do I get any grub or anything at all
[13:07] <silverarrow> when I boot lubuntu in cd, it detects hd and lubuntu install fine
[13:08] <silverarrow> last time lubuntu booted, all signs of hd indicated heathy drives,
[13:10] <silverarrow> is there anything I can do from the live lubuntu cd?
[13:10] <silverarrow> to sort of shake hd a bit
[13:10] <silverarrow> tell it to behave
[13:11] <KM0201> silverarrow: that sounds like a hardware issue, more than a software problem
[13:12] <KM0201> silverarrow: if the BIOS does not detect the hard drive, then this is not a linux issue.
[13:12] <KM0201> a BIOS will detect a hard drive, no matter what file system, OS, etc.. is on it.
[13:13] <silverarrow> it should
[13:13] <silverarrow> I am wondering if old bios is messing things up
[13:13] <KM0201> have you changed the BIOS since this all started?
[13:14] <silverarrow> original hd was 40 gb, new one is 320
[13:14] <silverarrow> no
[13:14] <KM0201> then how are you determining an "old" bios vs a "new" bios?
[13:14] <silverarrow> there aren't any new bios for computer
[13:14] <silverarrow> it is an older latop
[13:14] <silverarrow> that's all I mean
[13:14] <KM0201> hold on a second, you're not making any sense.
[13:15] <KM0201> so you bought a 320gig hard drive,
[13:15] <silverarrow> yes,
[13:15] <KM0201> to put in this laptop
[13:15] <KM0201> and it's not working
[13:15] <silverarrow> and it worked fine
[13:15] <KM0201> ok, it worked fine.
[13:15] <silverarrow> not right now
[13:15] <KM0201> ok, stop.
[13:15] <bioterror> does your computer recognize that 40GB drive?
[13:15] <bioterror> have you tried it?
[13:15] <KM0201> the 320gig never worked... or it worked, and now its not?
[13:15] <bioterror> KM0201, it used to work, not it does not
[13:16] <KM0201> bioterror: i thought he said it used to work w/ the 40gig drive..
[13:16] <silverarrow> bios never detected all the 320GB, lubuntu and any os did
[13:16] <KM0201> well thre's your issue.. its the BIOS, not lubuntu
[13:16] <bioterror> it doesnt matter
[13:16] <silverarrow> no, it worked fine with the new hd, for three months, with a grub issue at one point that got solved
[13:16] <bioterror> all that matters is 1) grub 2) kernel 3) filesystem
[13:17] <KM0201> bioterror: but if the BIOS cannot read the detect the drive to boot 1, 2, or 3... then? (maybe i'm misunderstanding what he's saying)
[13:17] <silverarrow> I did however detect one error in my lubuntu cd today
[13:18] <silverarrow> hmm
[13:18] <bioterror> I would try the 40GB drive
[13:18] <bioterror> to confirm that the laptop itself is okay
[13:18] <KM0201> agree.
[13:19] <bioterror> after that you should use another computer to get sure that the 320GB drive is not broken
[13:19] <silverarrow> I tossed the old drive, it has bad sectors
[13:19] <KM0201> if the 320gig is attatched, and you can't see the 320gig drive in the BIOS (and it has previously worked) the only logical conclusion is the drive or the motherboard is bad.. hooking up the 40gig drive will determine which the problem is.
[13:19] <KM0201> well, there goes that ide
[13:19] <KM0201> *idea
[13:20] <bioterror> yep
[13:20] <silverarrow> I am running puppy fine from cd and save folder, frugal install, usb connected hd
[13:20] <bioterror> good for puppy ;)
[13:20] <KM0201> silverarrow: a usb drive has nothing to do w/ an internal drive.
[13:21] <silverarrow> true
[13:21] <silverarrow> but I Thougth it would indicate motherboard is working?
[13:21] <KM0201> silverarrow: if i had to guess, since the machine seems to e running fine from a USB, the new internal drive bit the dust.
[13:21] <silverarrow> hmm
[13:21] <silverarrow> ok,
[13:21] <silverarrow> needs checking
[13:22] <KM0201> silverarrow: well, i have had situatins where a sata port was bad (thus couldn't see hard drive) but I could boot a flash drive
[13:22] <KM0201> silverarrow: regardless, doesn't really sound like a lubuntu issue...
[13:22] <silverarrow> probably isn't hten
[13:22] <bioterror> but it's good to have something/someone to blame ;)
[13:22] <KM0201> what kind of drive?
[13:22] <bioterror> that's why I'm married
[13:23] <silverarrow> the internal is western digital ide
[13:24] <silverarrow> weird thing is that lubuntu live cd, performs all kinds of checks in disk utility
[13:24] <silverarrow> on the internal hard drive
[13:24] <silverarrow> I don't know
[13:27] <KM0201> silverarrow: well, the one thing i can absolutely assure you, if the BIOS cannot see the drive, this is not linux related.
[13:27] <KM0201> you have a hardware issue somewhere
[13:29] <silverarrow> it looks like it
[13:29] <silverarrow> I wonder what
[13:30] <KM0201> silverarrow: hard drives are made so crappy nowdays, i would immediately suspect the hard drive.
[13:30] <KM0201> this is why it is so critical to have redundant backup devices, and why NAS's have gotten so popular
[13:31] <silverarrow> nas?
[13:31] <KM0201> network attatched storage
[13:31] <silverarrow> oh, that
[13:31] <KM0201> basically a box of drives, where you can store things, set up in Raid 0, so you always have a mirror
[13:35] <silverarrow> I read about possible issue with Bios, where old drive is for example 40GB and new internal hd replacement exceeds it, then from some reason, bios is not able to detect the hd because of to narrow ability to read set of disks
[15:24] <Fernando_Pinhal> hi... is there an LTS version of lubuntu???
[15:26] <KM0201> Fernando_Pinhal: 10.04
[15:26] <Fernando_Pinhal> dae poessoal...
[15:27] <Fernando_Pinhal> KM0201, thanx... i read somewere 10.04 isn't a LTS
[15:27] <Fernando_Pinhal> good... I trying lubuntu 11.04... i found some bugs I dont know how to fix...
[15:28] <KM0201> so lubuntu 11.04 has bugs youd on't know how to fix, so you're gonna try 10.04
[15:28] <Fernando_Pinhal> like on the lxinput... or when I close the netbook...  it doest sleep correctly
[15:28] <KM0201> you do realize LTS has nothing to do w/ bugs.
[15:29] <Fernando_Pinhal> I thouht it could offer a little help....
[15:29] <Fernando_Pinhal> Gez.. I wrong... lol
[15:30] <KM0201> uh, no
[15:30] <KM0201> LTS, just means it will be kept w/ security updates, for longer than the Non-LTS
[15:31] <Fernando_Pinhal> on ubuntu=br channel some guys told me that the ubuntu 10.04 could haven't some bugs...  I thought to seek the same way to solve my lubuntu 11.04 problems...
[15:32] <Fernando_Pinhal> I don have a higher knowledge... some bugs I tried to fix, another ones, I trid to skip...  do you advise me to upgrade to 11.10?
[15:32] <Fernando_Pinhal> Could Oneric Lancelot help me?
[15:32] <silverarrow> hi
[15:32] <silverarrow> I did some thinking
[15:33] <KM0201> Fernando_Pinhal: i wouldnot mess w/ 11.10 right now.
[15:33] <silverarrow> reloaded default settings in bios
[15:33] <silverarrow> and hd booted
[15:33] <KM0201> silverarrow: hm, interesting
[15:33] <silverarrow> I might have messed with something there, I have no idea about
[15:33] <silverarrow> I have no idea about bios in general
[15:34] <silverarrow>  but really weird still
[15:34] <Fernando_Pinhal> KM0201, no... not right now... I said to update, or make a clean install when 11.10 will  released...
[15:34] <KM0201> Fernando_Pinhal: well when its released, of course
[15:35] <silverarrow> I will go for a clean install, I think it might be an advantage
[15:35] <Fernando_Pinhal> great... thank you...
[15:36] <silverarrow> is there an pre launch of lubuntu?
[15:36] <silverarrow> like a test version?
[15:37] <Fernando_Pinhal> KM0201, I like the Lubuntu, if I can... I never go back to the lubuntu...
[15:37] <silverarrow> ?
[15:37] <Fernando_Pinhal> silverarrow, Preview like, the 10.10?
[15:37] <KM0201> silverarrow: you mean a beta?
[15:37] <silverarrow> yes
[15:37] <KM0201> there should be an 11.10 beta
[15:37] <Fernando_Pinhal> There  is one... dont?
[15:37] <KM0201> not sure where it is.
[15:37] <silverarrow> I like lubuntu too
[15:37] <Fernando_Pinhal> http://lubuntu.net/blog/lubuntu-1110-testing
[15:38] <silverarrow> it is light fast, and does everything
[15:38] <silverarrow> thanks
[15:38] <Fernando_Pinhal> I trie  to use the Ubuntu with a LXDE... but the network manager wont connect to internet with my 3g modem...
[15:39] <Fernando_Pinhal> On the Ubuntu with LXDE I used the WVDIAL to make a internet connection... very anoyng...
[15:39] <silverarrow> I have been working a bit with puppy linux, but I think I might need a more solid thing like a buntu on the side
[15:39] <Fernando_Pinhal> THat's why I decided to use the Luubuntu... ith no configuration, I could access the internet on the network manager...
[15:39] <silverarrow> I have been wondering; is there any plans to implement softmaker in package manager?
[15:40] <Fernando_Pinhal> Puppy linux I never tried... I have some mental disease that make always seek to spend minimal RAM memory
[15:40] <silverarrow> I don't plan to give up puppy either, it is nice to play with
[15:40] <silverarrow> puppy is minimal
[15:41]  * KM0201 hates puppy
[15:41] <silverarrow> super minimal is pussy-linux, related to puppy
[15:41] <silverarrow> will run in 64MB ram
[15:41] <Fernando_Pinhal> I  heard that... but isnt easy to use like  ubuntu...
[15:41] <silverarrow> puppy should be easy
[15:42] <Fernando_Pinhal> I tried also the debiann... but on a clean install I have to find everything to customize my OS... I hate it....
[15:42] <silverarrow> but I agree, lubuntu is full hard drive install, and more stable
[15:42] <silverarrow> bugs get fixed
[15:42] <Fernando_Pinhal> Thereś no other way... thu *buntu family is the easyest...
[15:42] <silverarrow> in puppy you sort of are on your own
[15:42] <silverarrow> well, there are others
[15:42] <silverarrow> debian should be all right
[15:42] <silverarrow> fedora too
[15:43] <silverarrow> I like totem in Ubuntu
[15:43] <silverarrow> but I need compatible hard ware, or some kind of pentium i-series dual core with fast threading
[15:44] <Fernando_Pinhal> Someone tried to offer me the Mint, Linux Mint... linux mint is a brick
[15:44] <silverarrow> I never could boot mint properly
[15:44] <Fernando_Pinhal> the RAM usage ws so high...
[15:44] <silverarrow> I tried on 4 different computers
[15:44] <Fernando_Pinhal> Sure??... how horrible!!
[15:45] <silverarrow> burnt several cds, verified file checksum multiple times
[15:45] <silverarrow> yes, 2 of the computers was way above recommended specs
[15:46] <Fernando_Pinhal> On the ubuntu 9.10 I found some bugs on the Fstab on the boot... it wasn't fixed... I tried hard.. so I give  up when I discovered  the 11.04
[15:46] <silverarrow> if they cannot run in 3GB and duo core 2.7GHz, something is wrong
[15:46] <Fernando_Pinhal> linux mint is horrible... the only advantage is the codecs...  the pray they run auto...
[15:47] <silverarrow> i think bugs get fixed if they get reported in a good way
[15:47] <Fernando_Pinhal> I never tried to run a vieo from the Live-CD
[15:47] <silverarrow> like understandable
[15:47] <Fernando_Pinhal> Some bugs are annoying... you  think they happen olnly with you... lol
[15:48] <silverarrow> I suppose a lot is users doing stuff wroing
[15:48] <silverarrow> wrong*
[15:48] <silverarrow> then hard ware incompatibilities
[15:48] <Fernando_Pinhal> Like my linput bug.,.. WHen I tried  to change any settings on  that lines, moving riight or left... they skip  the program and exit...
[15:48] <silverarrow> or need for driver search
[15:49] <Fernando_Pinhal> Ouch... look for drivers is a satanic quest...
[15:50] <silverarrow> true, we need the heavens on our side to make stuff work
[15:51] <Fernando_Pinhal> it reminds me the microsoft...
[15:51] <Fernando_Pinhal> PLUG AND PRAY!!!!
[15:51] <silverarrow> lol
[15:51] <Fernando_Pinhal> sure... lol...
[15:52] <silverarrow> I'm looking forward to next lubuntu version
[15:52] <Fernando_Pinhal> You want the beta??
[15:52] <Fernando_Pinhal> Do you want the beta??
[15:53] <silverarrow> oh yes
[15:53] <Fernando_Pinhal> 11.10
[15:53] <Fernando_Pinhal> The current test version. This section is dedicated to the development version of Lubuntu. As with all alphas and non-stable betas they are not suitable for a production environment. For more details please see the section in our wiki for developers.
[15:53] <Fernando_Pinhal> This  information I foun on the getlubuntu page...
[15:54] <Fernando_Pinhal> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu#A11.10
[15:54] <Fernando_Pinhal> There...  deep on the botton of the page...
[15:55] <Fernando_Pinhal> I like to test some  news... I love beta programs... I used Windows half of my life...
[15:55] <silverarrow> there are people running ubuntu on computers with 1GB ram and 1.5GHz cpu
[15:55] <silverarrow> I could not run ubuntu at all, at least not totem
[15:55] <Fernando_Pinhal> My netbook has 2 gb RAM, Aton N270 processor...
[15:55] <silverarrow> cpu ran on 100% all the time
[15:55] <silverarrow> should in theory be fine with any buntu
[15:56] <Fernando_Pinhal> its true... but I told you...
[15:58] <silverarrow> I'm going to try clean debian too
[15:58] <Fernando_Pinhal> Incompatibility... I  saw it only on win modens... e another "windows hrdware"
[15:58] <silverarrow> with mplayer/gecko, and softmaker office
[15:58] <silverarrow> I'm not shore how I will add the rest
[15:59] <Fernando_Pinhal> The clean Deabian only works good if  you have a broadband connection all the time...
[15:59] <silverarrow> I wonder how many would dare gentoo
[15:59] <Fernando_Pinhal> the clean  ebian hasnt installed even the "usbutils"
[16:00] <Fernando_Pinhal> Gentoo are nice penguins... have you saw Mr Poopers Penguins???
[16:00] <Fernando_Pinhal> lol
[16:00] <silverarrow> no
[16:01] <Fernando_Pinhal> theyre cute...
[16:01] <Fernando_Pinhal> shame that it does not help
[16:02] <silverarrow> I suppose we have to stick with a distro and get to know it well
[16:02] <silverarrow> I sort of need two to get the picture
[16:02] <Fernando_Pinhal> Man... I have to go back to work...
[16:02] <Fernando_Pinhal> good luk for you...
[16:02] <silverarrow> have a fine day
[16:02] <silverarrow> thanks
[16:02] <silverarrow> yoiu too
[16:05] <silverarrow> I still have my mplayer/gecko plugin issue
[16:05] <silverarrow> it is messed up
[19:07] <apanda> ls
[22:02] <revloum> Anyone home?
[22:03] <revloum> Building Lubuntu machine for g-ddaughter....can't find Nic
[22:03] <KM0201> can't find it?
[22:03] <revloum> Well....I can't CONFIGURE it...
[22:03] <revloum> I "see" auto eth0
[22:03] <KM0201> so it wasn't auto-detected i take it?
[22:04] <revloum> I'm not SURE...after about two full days of staring at different Ubugeek fora, I'm about blind
[22:04] <KM0201> ok, well, is the machine in front of you now, or do you have to boot into it?
[22:05] <revloum> (I am an MCSE and use SEVERAL different distros...)
[22:05] <revloum> It's behind me
[22:05] <KM0201> well, how does lspci identify the device?
[22:05] <revloum> help me get that far, please..
[22:05] <KM0201> you use several distros, and you don't know what lspci is?
[22:06] <KM0201> open a terminal.
[22:06] <revloum> No.  I KNOW what it IS, just not how to get there.  Haven't used ANY CLI in AGES
[22:07] <revloum> Well...it SAYS command not found.
[22:07] <revloum> Yes, I ran sudo
[22:08] <KM0201> why did you run sudo?
[22:08] <revloum> my bad...typo
[22:08] <KM0201> i think the main thing, is you need to listen, rather than trying to improvise, if you just immediately threw sudo in front of that command, it's no wonder you got nowhere googling for instructions
[22:09] <revloum> Because it asked for my sudo PW
[22:09] <KM0201> because you typed sudo
[22:09] <KM0201> you didn't need sudo in front of lspci
[22:09] <revloum> No, It asked for it when I typed the command....maybe because the term window was already open?
[22:10] <KM0201> well, no it didn't, but.. ok
[22:10] <KM0201> not if yout yped what i told you, but... like i said, thats irrelevant
[22:10] <KM0201> find yor ethernet controller in the list
[22:10] <revloum> Okay.  It shows the NIC
[22:10] <KM0201> whats it say
[22:10] <revloum> Correctly identified
[22:11] <revloum> "National semiconductor 83815...etc'
[22:11] <KM0201> what does it say?
[22:11] <KM0201> ... forget it
[22:11] <KM0201> best of luck
[22:11] <revloum> What?
[22:11] <revloum> I just said it showed up as what it is?
[22:11] <KM0201> i'll just comment, t hen you can ponder your answers... do you thin   ....? tells me anything?
[22:12] <revloum> Oh.  Okay.  Gimme a sec to get the rest.  I thought you were looking to see if it was IN there...
[22:13] <revloum> "National Semiconductor Corporation DP83815 (Macphyter) Ethernet controller"
[22:19] <revloum> I got my MCSE in W9.x.  Fifteen years ago.  I started doing linux as a hobby since I became disabled.  I am really loading Lub. as a way to upgrade to edubuntu for my 7 year old g-ddaughter.  I can't find a version of Edu that's early enoug to go on a machine with "limited resources"(11.04 will NOT run)
[22:20] <revloum> I never worked in IT.  The jobs they promised never materialized.  I neve considered myself any good at this, but I thought I was having fun.  Just like the masthead at DistroWatch says.
[22:21] <revloum> "Put the FUN back into computing".
[22:22] <revloum> The machine I am logged into is Peppermint.  I have a Sabayon running in the next room.  I have a puppy (Lucid) waiting to "play with".
[22:22] <revloum> So, please reconsider lending a hand.
[22:24] <revloum> Even if you know a place where I CAN d/l a copy of Edu 10.04....
[22:24] <revloum> (or even 9.)
[22:24] <KM0201> just googling that device, it looks like its not supported in older versions, 11.04, it seems to be.
[22:26] <revloum> I have other cards.  Do you think it will help?
[22:26] <revloum> Can you direct me to a list?
[22:27] <revloum> The machine in question is an old promax 600 MHz box with half a gig of ram
[22:28] <Unit193> What's the issue? I'm scrolling up now
[22:28] <revloum> Unsupported NIC
[22:28] <revloum> I think
[22:29] <revloum> Rather...we think.
[22:29] <revloum> The actual issue is money, I suppose.  If I could, I'd pop on down to the store and get her a shiny new one...
[22:32] <Unit193> What's it give you when you do   sudo dhclient eth0  ?
[22:33] <revloum> still scrolling...
[22:35] <revloum> Listening on LPF ETH0 and the MAC address.
[22:35] <revloum> Send on same
[22:35] <revloum> send on socket fallback
[22:35] <revloum> No working leases
[22:37] <revloum> No DHCP offers
[22:37] <revloum> In persistent D/B
[22:39] <revloum> I have an IBM with an Intel chip on it
[22:39] <phillw> revloum: does http://edubuntu.org/news/10.04-release not have it?
[22:39] <revloum> And another odd-triangular shaped one...both PCI
[22:40] <revloum> Ill look....everywhere else I have looked points back to 11.04
[22:41] <phillw> revloum: if it does not, I'll ask them. 10.04 was the last release to support older computers, as it is an LTS, it should still be there?
[22:42] <revloum> You're right, phillw.  It's there.  Thanks!
[22:42] <revloum> BUT....will it give me the same headache?
[22:42] <phillw> revloum: your're welcome :)
[22:43] <revloum> I hope it loads with Unetbootin.  I have run myself completely out of blank CDs...
[22:44] <phillw> revloum: if it does, head over to http://edubuntu.org/community it has all the contact details :)
[22:45] <revloum> I meant the unsupported NIC...
[22:45] <revloum> That has been driving me a tad nuts for a couple of days and my old eyes out of my skull...
[22:46] <phillw> revloum: you may need also to have a look / post a question on http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=336
[22:46] <revloum> I want to thank you all for your help.  I actuall LIKE Lubuntu, (or, what I have seen of it.  I may just pop another HDD in her machine and keep this HDD for ME!
[22:47] <revloum> (never did much with the Ubu distros before.  Maybe it's time I tried them...)
[22:48] <Unit193> The liveCD/USB should work with the nic as well as the install
[22:48] <revloum> So.  I'll save this channel.  Maybe I can annoy all of you again real soon!
[22:48] <phillw> revloum: Lubuntu is a small team, you will better your chance on the main forum, but please use the tag as to which flavour of ubuntu you are asking about :)
[22:48] <Unit193> There is also #edubuntu if you need support for that
[22:49] <revloum> KMo2 said it seemed to be an unsup card. until 11.04
[22:49] <revloum> Great.  Thanks again, all.  I need a 10-100 break.  Have a GREAT one!
[23:51] <Fudge> lol 10 100
[23:52] <Unit193> When you gotta go...


[20:42] <ochosi> so now that ios7 looks fugly, where will we copy our designs from? :}
[20:45] <Noskcaj> random people on xfce-look?
[20:45] <Noskcaj> ;)
[20:47] <Unit193> Blackberry, or maybe Android.
[20:47] <ochosi> well i'll give you a dollar if you find anything all-too-great on xfce-look :)
[20:47] <ochosi> especially the lack of organisation drove me away from that site
[20:48] <Noskcaj> ochosi, when i used heaps of themes i found upubuntu to be a good source
[20:48] <ochosi> never heard of that
[20:49] <Noskcaj> upubuntu.com they run PPAs for many small-time theme artists
[21:56] <Noskcaj> the xubuntu link in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/#QA_related_teams is broken. what should we have it link to?
[21:56] <Noskcaj> the Studio link is also broken
[21:57] <pleia2> Noskcaj: just /qa
[21:58] <Noskcaj> ok, i'll fix
[21:58] <pleia2> thanks


[16:33] <frecel_> Is it possible to not allow screenshots to be taken of an application with mir on ubuntu touch?


[16:11] <daftykins> juergh: thanks for your work on bug 1938013, i too have installed your test build kernel and will see how it works out :)


[01:14] <rjwiii> Hit teh deckkkkkkk ... neeeeeet spliiiiiiiit!!!1
[01:25] <Maik> rjwiii: seriously....
[01:30] <rjwiii> Maik: Sorry ... being overly dramatic ...
[02:46] <lamiastella> gosh why the GUI size is so small on Ubuntu 20.04? I can't even read the items https://askubuntu.com/questions/1278043/how-can-i-make-the-size-of-a-gui-in-ubuntu-larger
[03:04] <lotuspsychje> lamiastella: i dont see that software on apt or snap, where did you install it from?
[03:07] <lamiastella> did you see this link in the question? https://github.com/DeepLabCut/DeepLabCut-live/issues/23
[03:07] <lamiastella> it is a GUI called dlclivegui from the DeepLabCut-Live package lotuspsychje
[03:08] <lotuspsychje> lamiastella: then contact the git owner about it please
[03:08] <lamiastella> I wonder how it is not small in the other guy's Ubuntu though he might use a different Ubuntu version
[03:08] <lamiastella> yes I did but I was wondering if it is more of an Ubuntu 20.04 issue like it was here https://askubuntu.com/questions/1262836/why-are-some-gui-fonts-so-small-in-ubuntu-20-04-how-can-i-fix-them
[03:09] <lotuspsychje> lamiastella: the resolution of your desktop depends on what res youve chosen in systemsettings
[03:10] <lamiastella> I don't have problem with any other GUI except this one lotuspsychje
[03:11] <lotuspsychje> lamiastella: your other ubuntu machines have the same screen resolution?
[03:12] <lamiastella> I only have one Ubuntu machine!
[03:15] <lotuspsychje> lamiastella: if you dont have issues with the ratio of other software, the problem lays on deeplabcut right?
[03:22] <lamiastella> I assume so. The thing is I don't have this problem with DeepLabCut GUI itself but with DeepLabCut-Live GUI lotuspsychje
[03:23] <lotuspsychje> lamiastella: file a bug on the maintainers git, or browse the issues section there?
[03:24] <lamiastella> there is no issue as mine and I already filed thanks lotuspsychje
[03:25] <javi404> where should i post my wayland woes?
[03:25] <javi404> i need to fix overscan/underscan
[03:25] <javi404> i need to adjust by pixel, not some predefined "im using a tv" yes / no switch.
[05:53] <jayjo_> I'm having trouble using keepassxc with google drive, just using the GNOME google drive connection. I've found https://github.com/rclone/rclone - is this a good way to go? is there a way to add the drive with /etc/fstab or something like that?
[06:34] <robline> I'm enjoying 20.04 (especially the automatic printer install, nice) but I can't scroll up with my mouse in a terminal session.  It just scrolls through the command history. Any ideas how I can fix that?
[06:35] <robline> If I hold down the shift key and scroll, that works
[06:36] <matsaman> robline: could be one of your SHIFT keys or another modifier key (ALT, CTRL) is stuck
[06:36] <matsaman> give them all a few good taps
[06:36] <matsaman> if that doesn't work, try hitting CTRL+c a few times, then type 'reset', then ENTER
[06:37] <robline> Thanks matsaman.  I have definitely done reset, clear, rebooted, restarted X session, etc
[06:37] <robline> The shift keys respond in xev
[06:37] <matsaman> this is plain Ubuntu 20 flavor?
[06:38] <robline> 20.04 clean install
[06:38] <matsaman> but I mean Ubuntu not Xubuntu or some other flavor
[06:38] <robline> no It is Ubuntu
[06:38] <matsaman> ok
[06:40] <matsaman> probably this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/1688528
[06:40] <matsaman> oh sorry that says screen
[06:41] <matsaman> are you using screen or tmux or byobu or something like that?
[06:42] <matsaman> if you run 'killall gnome-terminal' and then start a new terminal, is the behavior the same?
[06:43] <robline> I am not using screen.  Fresh install, standard terminal.  But I will try this command now!
[06:44] <robline> gnome-terminal: no process found
[06:44] <robline> (i entered that into a terminal that was currently running BTW)
[06:46] <robline> I'm reading through the bug report
[06:47] <matsaman> robline: what does 'ps aux | grep -i term' say?
[06:48] <robline> rob         6124  0.0  0.3<PHONE_NUMBER>4 ?        Ssl  Sep26   0:14 /usr/libexec/gnome-terminal-server
[06:48] <robline> rob        18028  0.0  0.0  17664  2692 pts/1    S+   02:47   0:00 grep --color=auto -i term
[06:49] <backthen> can terminal windows be saved when I restart?
[06:49] <robline> backthen, saved how?  you mean command history, position, what?
[06:49] <matsaman> robline: okay it might be killall gnome-terminal-server you'd want, to try and kill all the processes and start a new terminal for a test
[06:50] <matsaman> backthen: probably if you tell your DE to restart without closing them, it will do that, or ask you if you want it, etc.
[06:50] <backthen> robline: I have multiple terminal windows open and they have command histories. I'd hate having to reenter them but driver update wants OS to restart
[06:50] <backthen> matsaman: how do I do that
[06:51] <robline> my experience has been that the histories are saved to different buffers.  So for example your "main" terminal will remember what you entered into it, but won't recall waht you typed in ther second
[06:51] <robline> but the second will remember its history
[06:52] <robline> so however many you have open now, you'll need to open that many again
[06:53] <matsaman> history | tee some_file
[06:53] <robline> that's not a promise it will work, just how it has worked for me in the past
[06:53] <matsaman> what driver are we talking about?
[06:53] <backthen> ok sounds like Ubuntu doesn't have an automatic way to do a 'save state' like windows
[06:53] <matsaman> if you make a habit of using screen or tmux or the like, you can restart a whole whole lot of your OS without doing an actual restart, much of the time
[06:54] <matsaman> backthen: as robline says, it's done by default
[06:54] <robline> BTW I ran the killall command again.  It did close the terminal.  I opened another terminal, same issue.  Scrolling the mouse scrolls the command history
[06:54] <matsaman> there's no guarantee you as a human will be able to make sense of it, though
[06:54] <matsaman> robline: ok
[06:56] <matsaman> robline: did you try 'tput rmcup'?
[06:57] <robline> teeing the history is also a great suggestion to be safe
[06:57] <robline> not yet! :)
[06:57] <matsaman> robline: what mouse model is this, BTW?
[06:58] <robline> Logitech MX
[06:58] <robline> i did tput rmcup and now the top line of the output is scrolling through my command history, LOL
[06:59] <matsaman> neat
[06:59] <robline> I appreciate your help BTW
[06:59] <matsaman> this a wireless mouse?
[06:59] <robline> yes it is
[06:59] <matsaman> turn it off and on?
[06:59] <matsaman> remove batteries & reinsert?
[06:59] <robline>  ok hold on
[06:59] <robline> its fully charged
[07:00] <matsaman> oh it's got an internal battery that you can't really remove?
[07:01] <robline> it doesn't have batteries I can remove but I turned it off, it re-synched with solaar, and same deal.  Top line is scrolling through the bash history
[07:01] <matsaman> you could double-check with the 'xev' program that the mousewheel is sending the events it should be
[07:01] <robline> ok hold on
[07:01] <matsaman> oh solaar, forgot about that
[07:01] <robline> anyway it scrolls everywhere else, just not in Terminal
[07:02] <matsaman> that's pretty damning for gnome-terminal
[07:02] <robline> xev output seems fine to me
[07:02] <matsaman> although if you tried another terminal (xterm?), it'd be moreso
[07:02] <robline> I'm not an expert but when I scroll the numbers change
[07:03] <robline> ok, I'll try xterm.  Is it installed by default?
[07:04] <robline> guess not
[07:04] <matsaman> should be a small package
[07:05] <robline> xterm has the same behavior
[07:05] <backthen> looks like the commands are saved upon restart. Just the paths of where I was are lost
[07:05] <robline> backthen yes, that is correct.  It will alsways start you at the system home variable
[07:06] <robline> xterm "knows" my terminal history, interesting
[07:06] <matsaman> well it's your shell history
[07:06] <matsaman> ~/.bash_history and so on
[07:07] <robline> cool I've just not used XTerm before
[07:07] <matsaman> it's a little rudimentary by comparison, but that can also be a plus
[07:07] <matsaman> um, so
[07:07] <robline> yeah it has an early 2000's feel
[07:07] <matsaman> this is at least an X-wide problem, not specific to gnome-terminal
[07:08] <matsaman> or specific to your mouse (or solaar/etc.), one of those things, probably
[07:08] <matsaman> xterm wouldn't care about GNOME-specific prefs, but it might care about X-specific prefs that GNOME has set
[07:09] <matsaman> do you have a nice boring wired mouse you can try with?
[07:10] <robline> oh hey wanna hear something interesting?  Same thing is going on in Xchat right now.  When I scroll, it scrolls through the things I said, but won't scroll back the irc log
[07:10] <robline> matsaman, yes I do.  I'll go get it
[07:11] <matsaman> and if you explicitly click in the non-input pane first?
[07:12] <robline> I am now using a wired mouse.  Other mouse is off.
[07:14] <robline> The behavior is the same.  If I click in the non-input pane and scroll, it scrolls my irc chat history in the input window.  If I click on the pane of usernames and scroll, that scrolls.
[07:14] <jayjo_> I'm looking at the UEFI guide here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI but mainly I'm just looking at this screenshot: https://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1347270285.jpg - I see that this boot menu allows you to boot the same drives using BIOS or using UEFI. What are the "p's" here? P3, P1, P4. What's the order?
[07:15] <robline> I like how you are thinking this through though, I should have tried anothher mouse earlier
[07:17] <matsaman> jayjo_: 'peripheral' maybe? I doubt it matters, it's clearly the dvd drive, and two hard disks
[07:17] <matsaman> jayjo_: things you can boot from
[07:18] <robline> jayjo: to me it looks like you have a pioneer dvd drive, a hitachi hard drive, and a western digital hard drive.  And IEFI is going to use the hitachi to boot.
[07:18] <robline> UEFI I mean
[07:19] <matsaman> jayjo_: or sata "port"
[07:20] <robline> That seems right
[07:21] <robline> well, It's 3am here so I'm going to bed.  Thanks for the ideas, matsaman
[07:21] <matsaman> robline: mmm
[07:21] <matsaman> robline: someone more familiar with GNOME would probably know better than I
[07:22] <matsaman> you could try something much more rudimentary than GNOME to rule GNOME out
[07:22] <matsaman> if it did the same thing outside GNOME altogether, it would definitely be a bug for all GTK+ or X things
[07:22]  * matsaman shrugs
[07:22] <robline> I'll look into that!
[07:48] <he12457> Hello all..... New chatting webpages opened: talkingplace . talk4fun . net and iwanttocommunicate . rf . gd
[09:09] <borisrunak> hello !
[09:10] <_bw> hello
[10:09] <hansh> can someone running a desktop Ubuntu run `which nautilus`  ? (and if that gives no result, run `which Nautilus`  ) ?
[10:10] <hansh> .. and tell me the output
[10:14] <ElNomReal> I think normally it is /usr/bin/nautilus?
[10:26] <hansh> ElNomReal, thanks
[11:13] <Assid> heya
[11:13] <lotuspsychje> welcome Assid
[11:13] <Assid> so i just installed ubuntu .. and my location is middle east.. but even though i have english setup.. i still have things showing up in arabic
[11:14] <Assid> this is on ubuntu-desktop
[11:15] <Assid> why not ASK the user what they want to install instead of assuming
[11:34] <Assid> i cant get xrdp working.. can someone help
[11:34] <Assid> after connecting i just get a blank screen
[12:19] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:10] <lightshadow> good morning everyone
[14:13] <lightshadow> Client: HexChat 2.14.3 • OS: Ubuntu "focal" 20.04 • CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 1700X Eight-Core Processor (1.89GHz) • Memory: Physical: 30.6 GiB Total (25.4 GiB Free) Swap: 2.0 GiB Total (2.0 GiB Free) • Storage: 4.8 TB / 18.1 TB (13.3 TB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Ellesmere [Radeon RX 470/480/570/570X/580/580X/590] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 17h •
[14:13] <lightshadow>  Uptime: 12h 9m 6s
[14:14] <lightshadow> I'm facing an issue with Microk8s on Ubuntu
[14:14] <lightshadow> my containers are failling no matter what I do with this error message
[14:14] <lightshadow> kubelet does not have ClusterDNS IP configured and cannot create Pod using "ClusterFirst" policy. Falling back to "Default" policy.
[14:15] <lightshadow> despite I've enable dns, I follow the documentation and seems not working that part, I'm on Ubuntu 20.04
[14:32] <rapidwave> Strange problem. I disabled php 7.0 and enabled 7.2 and now the mod has a syntax error
[14:32] <rapidwave> Things were working and then I upgraded to focal and now this issue
[14:33] <Cyber_Akuma> What command do I have to add to a livecd to make it load entirely into ram? is it --toram before "splash"?
[14:56] <zetheroo> I am having trouble with the touchpad on my Thinkpad T440p after suspend with Ubuntu 20.04. I also have Ubuntu 20.04 running on my T450s and don't have any problems with the touchpad.
[14:58] <zetheroo> The problem happens also in the Ubunto 20.04 LIVE session
[14:58] <zetheroo> After waking from suspend the touchpad/trackpoint is either completed unresponsive or the scrolling doesn't work
[15:00] <zetheroo> I tried the 'modprobe -r psmouse && modprobe psmouse' workaround, but it only works sometimes.
[15:18] <jonnj> Oh Assid, you are not here. I have had a similar problem with xrdp. In my case it was the firewall. But I don't know if you have this problem.
[15:28] <hggdh> csop
[15:28] <hggdh> @csop
[15:28] <hggdh> darn, slow today...
[15:52] <xbfrog> i have a 250 gb hard drive connected via usb. Ubuntu 20.04 recognizes it i can see files on it, but when i right click and choose format it does nothing, am i missing something?
[15:54] <tomreyn> which application are you right-clicking on, which graphical desktop?
[15:55] <tomreyn> and which file system is it formatted to?
[16:02] <xbfrog> yes gui
[16:03] <xbfrog> dont know how to answer that quesiton
[16:03] <xbfrog> file system that came standard witht the os
[16:04] <xbfrog> google says ext4 filesistem
[16:06] <xbfrog> i only use terminal commands sparringly and when i have to. not so comfortable with terminal
[16:09] <leftyfb> xbfrog: use gparted (you might have to install it)
[16:10] <xbfrog> ok thanks
[16:16] <xbfrog> i dont think gparted sees it
[16:19] <tomreyn> xbfrog: select the disk ont he top right first of all
[16:19] <xbfrog> all gparted sees is my laptop hd, doesnt see my usb 2tb storage
[16:20] <xbfrog> or the usb 520
[16:20] <tomreyn> so those aren't listed on the drop-down?
[16:20] <xbfrog> no
[16:20] <xbfrog> only the laptop hd
[16:21] <tomreyn> are you using the default X(org) X server or XWayland?
[16:22] <xbfrog> dont know how to tell you.
[16:22] <tomreyn> if you can't answer this: are you using the default Ubuntu (not another flavour such as Xubuntu, Kubuntu, ...) graphical desktop?
[16:22] <xbfrog> default ubuntu with gnome
[16:23] <tomreyn> hmm, not sure then. pressing ctrl-r will make gparted re-read the list of available devices - give it a try.
[16:23] <xbfrog> ok
[16:25] <xbfrog> nothing changed
[16:27] <xbfrog> i have /dev/sda1 EFI system partition fat 32 512mib and /dev/sda2 ext4/ 931GiB
[16:28] <tomreyn> i can't think of other ways to make this workable on the GUI. if you want to try on a terminal, start by sharing the output of   lsblk -o +MODEL   and    blkid
[16:28] <tomreyn> use a !pastebin
[16:29] <xbfrog> ok
[16:31] <pavlos> is there a Disks app in a utilities folder (gnome)? Does disks 'see' the external drive?
[16:31] <monkwitdafunk> does the default ubuntu use x.org?
[16:32] <monkwitdafunk> i love x.org
[16:33] <Maik> yes
[16:34] <Maik> monkwitdafunk: ^^
[16:37] <xbfrog> https://pastebin.com/Re1bThdP
[16:38] <xbfrog> https://pastebin.com/BymJvFb7
[16:40] <tomreyn> xbfrog: so only sda (a western digital (WDC) something) and sdb (likely a Hitachi HDD) are currently seen connected.
[16:41] <xbfrog> ok hitachi is the one i want to format
[16:41] <xbfrog> yes i unplugged the storage
[16:42] <xbfrog> i dont recognize the hitachi in gparted
[16:42] <tomreyn> the hitachi, sdb, has an mbr partition table with two partitions. sdb1 is 512 MB, sdb5 is 232,4 GB.
[16:43] <tomreyn> sdb1 is formatted to (v)FAT, sdb5 is formatted to ext4.
[16:43] <xbfrog> all i see in gparted is for that is fat32/boot/efi 512
[16:44] <xbfrog> no 232.4
[16:44] <xbfrog> and its listed as sda1
[16:45] <tomreyn> or you're mixing things up, since sda is partitioned similarily
[16:46] <xbfrog> ok this hitachi was my former laptop drive
[16:46] <xbfrog> it was switched over to  the sdd drive currently installed
[16:47] <xbfrog> i wanted to format it to be used as a slave drive for another laptop
[16:48] <xbfrog> gparted shows 2 sda's 1 and 2
[16:49] <tomreyn> can you post the url this returns?   ls -1 /dev/disk/by-id/*Hitachi* | grep -v -- '-part' | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:49] <xbfrog> ok
[16:52] <xbfrog> https://termbin.com/1ool
[16:54] <tomreyn> xbfrog: so to delete the partition table, and with this, effectively, all the data stored on all partitions on this Hitachi disk - which should only be done when you have current backups - run:   sudo wipefs -a /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Hitachi_HTS723225L9SA60_080816FC1K00NEG2JD4C
[16:56] <xbfrog> right, i dont care about any data on that drive
[16:56] <tomreyn> chances are you'll be able to repartition it in your favourite graphical parittioning tool afterwards
[16:58] <xbfrog> thank you, did i just confuse the drive or what happened ?
[17:03] <xbfrog> ok, i guess i'm still confused. gparted still only sees sda1 fat32 512MiB and sda2 ext4 931 GiB
[17:03] <xbfrog> nothing else listed
[17:04] <Jakethepython> Hello, I have a USB to  serial convertor, what is the easiest way to get Serial messages in terminal just to read the RX port
[17:09] <pavlos> Jakethepython: use putty or minicom
[17:15] <pavlos> Jakethepython: user must be in the dialout group to access /dev/ttyUSB0 (sudo usermod -a -G dialout username)
[17:19] <tomreyn> xbfrog: and you did have it re-read the drive listing, and checked the drop-down field on the top right?
[17:21] <tomreyn> if it remains unlisted, you'll need to use fdisk or parted on the CLI to create a new partition table on /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Hitachi_HTS723225L9SA60_080816FC1K00NEG2JD4C
[17:21] <xbfrog> oh ok
[17:22] <xbfrog> yes and no change
[17:23] <xbfrog> ok
[17:23] <xbfrog> yes its still unlisted
[17:26] <pavlos> can you take a screenshot of gparted and upload it to imgur.com?
[17:26] <tomreyn> maybe gparted will not list removable storages, or defaults to not doing so
[17:27] <xbfrog> mayb i should install this in the laptop i want it in and work from there with no usb cable
[17:28] <xbfrog> it did list my 2tb storage
[17:28] <xbfrog> just not the hitachi odd
[17:28] <xbfrog> ok, i'll try it a diffeent way
[17:28] <xbfrog> thanks for your help
[17:30] <aph11> hello, hope everyones day is going well. I've been struggling for a cpl days trying to set up a way to RDP into an ubuntu VM from my ubuntu desktop. finally got it to work with xfce4, and I get a desktop with icons when I connect, but I cant open a terminal window. when i try there's no response at all. other apps seem to work tho. has anyone had/solved this issue?
[17:30] <transhumanist> hi is there any file system that can run, even as a third party add in for windows that would allow me to access rw to by both windows and linux that supports unix permissions? I was looking at ext2 but unfortunately those windows programs wont run on Windows 10
[17:31] <transhumanist> any help is appreciated, no idea where to ask , its an inbetween question for unix and windows
[17:35] <rfm> aph11, I think that means the session isn't completely set up as some apps expect (in particular no dbus server).  Try running good old xterm (you might have to put it in ~/.xinit, or create a .desktop file for it)
[17:37] <aph11> @rfm: thanks mate, I'll give it a shot
[17:41] <aph11> @rfm: worked like a charm ^_^
[17:43] <pavlos> aph11: I enabled sharing on the VM (uses vnc protocol), installed on my laptop remmina, remmina-plugin-vnc and was able to see the VM
[17:44] <tomreyn> transhumanist: this channel is still only for ubuntu support, not "unix"
[17:44] <tomreyn> and crossposting is still not a good thing.
[17:46] <aph11> @pavlos: I'll give that a shot as well, thanks!
[17:56] <aph11> @pavlos: that works great! appreciate the tip!
[17:56] <bumblefuzz> so, my windows key no longer works to open the main menu
[17:56] <bumblefuzz> and I don't know why it stopped
[17:57] <bumblefuzz> or how to make it work again
[17:58] <transhumanist> its ok I found a solution, its https://www.paragon-software.com/home/linuxfs-windows/ or use of NFS which works with both but is slow
[17:58] <transhumanist> hope this helps someone
[17:58] <transhumanist> both preserve unix permissions
[18:01] <gnUser> What is the difference between a phy0 wireless interface and a wlan0 interface for example?
[18:07] <bumblefuzz> phy0 sounds like ethernet
[18:07] <bumblefuzz> wlan is going to be wireless
[18:09] <gnUser> bumblefuzz, in this case I don't think phy0 referes to ethernet. I am using this command specifically, it adds a new "monitor" interface on a raspberry pi.  sudo iw phy phy0 interface add mon0 type monitor
[18:10] <gnUser> But I am trying to underst and what phy and phy0 are doing there
[18:10] <bumblefuzz> how many NIC's do you have on your device?
[18:11] <gnUser> bumblefuzz, it's a raspbery pi zero so I think only the one wireless "nic"
[18:14] <bumblefuzz> ip a
[18:14] <bumblefuzz> pastebin the output of "ip a"
[18:17] <gnUser> bumblefuzz, coming
[18:19] <gnUser> bumblefuzz, https://dpaste.org/F8Wd
[18:19] <bumblefuzz> "ip a | pastebinit"
[18:19] <bumblefuzz> k
[18:19] <bumblefuzz> snippet doesn't exist
[18:20] <bumblefuzz> try again
[18:20] <gnUser> https://dpaste.org/Zkqy
[18:21] <bumblefuzz> ok so, this only shows 3 interfaces
[18:21] <gnUser> correct
[18:21] <bumblefuzz> where were you finding phy0?
[18:21] <gnUser> https://medium.com/@THESMASHY/raspberry-pi-zero-w-wifi-hacking-gadget-63e3fa1c3c8d
[18:21] <gnUser> ctrl + f this string   iw phy phy0 info
[18:24] <bumblefuzz> ...which I would assume, looking at the output of "ip a" would mean "iw wlan0 info" or something similar
[18:24] <bumblefuzz> phy0 is just the name of the author's interface
[18:24] <bumblefuzz> ...I think
[18:24] <bumblefuzz> you don't have a phy0
[18:24] <gnUser> bumblefuzz, sounds like a reasonable assumption.. now if you ctrl + f for this string     sudo iw phy phy0 interface add mon0 type monitor
[18:25] <gnUser> this is how I add the mon0 interface but I do not know what the phy0 and phy is all about
[18:25] <bumblefuzz> I'm assuming these are the interfaces to be monitored
[18:26] <bumblefuzz> additionally, looking at the output of "ip a" earlier, it appears the mon0 is already up
[18:26] <gnUser> bumblefuzz, yes because I already followed this tutorial. I am trying to understand the command and how it works
[18:26] <gnUser> specifically what phy and phy0 are all about
[18:26] <bumblefuzz> my guess would be you are telling it which interfaces to monitor
[18:27] <gnUser> thanks, I suppose I will need to look into the linux docs and get to the bottom of it
[18:28] <bumblefuzz> https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/documentation/iw#adding_interfaces_with_iw
[18:28] <bumblefuzz> when you add a new interface using iw, this is the syntax used
[18:29] <gnUser> thanks for that link
[18:30] <pavlos> aph11: and if you need to access win VM's, install remmina-plugin-rdp
[18:38] <aph11> @pavlos: managed to get RDP for my Win vm working right away. was just struggling with the ubuntu box. VNC wasent working initally which left me struggling with xrdp, but I just needed to install vino which I had overlooked. it's all running smoothly now
[18:43] <NewbieDan> Got a problem trying to get Plasma working on my Ubuntu LTS 20.04 box
[18:46] <NewbieDan> It always refuses to connect to the display, even though the display is just the system console
[18:48] <pavlos> aph11: glad all works.
[18:51] <NewbieDan> anyone got any ideas?
[19:18] <pavlos> NewbieDan: does this help? ... https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-kde-plasma-desktop-on-ubuntu-20-04-focal-fossa-linux
[19:29] <mozzarella>  guys help
[19:32] <mozzarella> my partition has a "total capacity" of 983.4 GB, yet there's only 933.3 GB free and 79.7 MB used, there's a huge chunk that's missing
[19:34] <jeremy31> mozzarella: Might be the ext4
[19:35] <mozzarella> jeremy31: what do you mean?
[19:36] <jeremy31> Space used by journaling
[19:36] <mozzarella> that's still  a huge chunk
[19:36] <jeremy31> https://superuser.com/questions/1439177/what-could-cause-a-freshly-formatted-ext4-partitions-to-have-wildly-different-us
[20:04] <pavlos> mozzarella: sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdX where X is your device
[20:15] <NewbieDan> pavlos: No Dice on that web site. tasksel dies at file 661 each time I try
[20:17] <dhaniya> hello, I downloaded ubuntu 20.04.1 from the site today and the installer crashed with some libgl error twice, I had install 3rd party software option checked at both times, and i tried disabling the option to download updates while installing but that didn't fix it. Please help.
[20:24] <_Sym_> dhaniya, it might help if you say what the error was
[20:25] <dhaniya> some libglc66 I don't remember exactly but similar to this and it is already a known critical bug i checked that
[20:28] <stevecoh1> hello
[20:30] <stevecoh1> I have an Ubuntu 20.4 system on a laptop.  I wish to replace its hard drive with a SSD.  The computer store where I'm buying the SSD was unable to ghost the hard drive onto the SSD.  There may be bad sectors on the HD or there may be a problem with the boot sector.
[20:32] <stevecoh1> When they tried to ghost it, it created a non-bootable system on the SSD.  They now recommend creating a new installation of Ubuntu on the SSD, copying all the stuff from my HD /home, /etc, /usr/local, etc. to the SSD.  But what about the applications installed there?
[20:32] <pavlos> SSD mfg usually provide free software t oclone hdd->ssd
[20:33] <stevecoh1> #pavlos, thanks, but store didn't mention that.
[20:34] <stevecoh1> What I would like is a way to capture in a script usable by apt all the app installations on my system now, then run that script to bring over the applications.  Is there a way to do that?
[20:39] <pavlos> stevecoh1: https://rescuezilla.com/ ... the last paragraph
[20:41] <stevecoh1> pavlos, thanks, will have a look at rescuezilla
[20:48] <tomreyn> is your ssd larger than your hdd, though?
[20:49] <tomreyn> and is your old installation encrypted?
[20:52] <BarnabasDK> tomreyn, +1 and apt list --installed should give you a list of packages - only I don't know if there is a way to look into the old apt database on the old disk
[20:54] <BarnabasDK> also if your new installation is a newer release of ubuntu some packages may no longer be available
[20:58] <tomreyn> stevecoh1: ^
[21:00] <stevecoh1> #tomreyn how dumb of me not to ask the question.  I will tomorrow.  I was assuming they were the same size, which may or may not be the case.
[21:00] <stevecoh1> #tomreyn old install is not encrypted
[21:01] <stevecoh1> #BarnabasDK "old" install is 20.4.  I just updated fully.    I'm not sure how ubuntu-familiar they are.  They said they were, but the guy I talked to, not the owner, was not.  Gonna have a talk with owner.  With the right tools, I should be able to do it myself if need be.
[21:05] <tomreyn> if the old system can still boot, or they can 'chroot to it', they can do this to backup and restore the list of installed applications: https://askubuntu.com/questions/9135/how-to-backup-settings-and-list-of-installed-packages#answers
[21:06] <tomreyn> it's not super simple, though, and could go wrong, of course. and honestly, if i was in their shoes, i would probably not want to offer it.
[21:06] <stevecoh1> BarnabasDK: is there an easy way to convert apt list --installed output to a script that can be run from the command line?
[21:08] <BarnabasDK> stevecoh1, define ease :-D But maybe look at apt-clone first. Did not know of that one
[21:08] <BarnabasDK> seems that thing can read a db with a different source folder and do a restore
[21:08] <BarnabasDK> in the ubuntu repo
[21:09] <BarnabasDK> https://sarata.com/manpages/apt-clone.8.html
[21:12] <stevecoh1> BarnabasDK: apt-clone looks like the way to go.  Thanks.
[21:12] <Hash> I have ubuntu 18.04 installed and working. I want to upgrade to 20lts
[21:13] <Hash> https://ubuntu.com/blog/how-to-upgrade-from-ubuntu-18-04-lts-to-20-04-lts-today
[21:13] <Hash> I found this
[21:14] <pyzozord> hello I don't have kinetic scrolling in chromium when using my touchpad, can someone help
[21:14] <tomreyn> Hash: do you have a question?
[21:15] <Hash> Is it safe to do so?
[21:15] <Hash> What is the success rate people usually have?
[21:15] <BarnabasDK> Hash, 100% if they have a backup
[21:15] <tomreyn> that's if you consider restoring a backup to count towards 100%
[21:16] <Hash> I considered that.
[21:16] <Hash> I'll give it a go after making backup
[21:17] <BarnabasDK> tomreyn, true
[21:17] <tomreyn> Hash: note that this article describes a way to upgrade before the upgrade path is officially supported.
[21:20] <Hash> How can I boot 20lts iso using grub and give it a go?
[21:20] <Hash> Without using a usb. It's much faster off ssd
[21:20] <Hash> Is there a official tutorial for it
[21:22] <tomreyn> the article you linked above does not involve an 20.04 LTS .ISO file.
[21:22] <Hash> Correct.
[21:22] <Hash> It's for an upgrade. I'm asking a totally new question
[21:22] <aph11> @Hash: if you wat to try ou the live version you'll need to boot from some external media as far as I know
[21:23] <tomreyn> supposedly, grub can boot off iso images, but they need to be a in a specific format, and i don't knwo whether this one is (I assume not).
[21:23] <Hash> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot does this apply to a 20.04 iso?
[21:23] <Hash> file path locations etc.
[21:24] <Hash> IOW, is this article current?
[21:24] <Hash> Seems like you just tell grub to mount the iso and get the kernel and the ramdisk and boot them
[21:26] <tomreyn> ah, nio-wiklund updated it with instructions to boot the 20.04 LTS iso in uefi mode, nice.
[21:27] <stevecoh1> alas apt-clone has some issues
[21:28] <stevecoh1> $ sudo apt-clone clone /backupnot installable: libwxgtk3.0-0v5, libbrlapi0.6, oracle-java8-set-default, zoom, iscan-data, oracle-java8-installerversion mismatch: ubuntu-drivers-commonNote that you can use --with-dpkg-repack to include those packges in the clone file.
[21:28] <stevecoh1> but it doesn't work with --with-dpkg-repack  either
[21:29] <stevecoh1> aside from zoom (how did we ever live without it) I might not care.
[21:32] <BarnabasDK> stevecoh1, have they been removed from the repo to 20.01 ? search for one of them here https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libwxgtk3.0-0v5
[21:33] <BarnabasDK> seems the version has been bumped https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libwxgtk3
[21:35] <stevecoh1> blaah.  So what would my strategy be?  update the package first?
[21:36] <stevecoh1> And if so, why didn't the update I just did provide it?
[21:37] <BarnabasDK> stevecoh1, I think because the package changed name from ibwxgtk3.0-0v5 to libwxgtk3.0-gtk3-0v5
[21:39] <tomreyn> libwxgtk3.0-0v5, despite the name, seems to dpend on gtk2, whereas libwxgtk3.0-gtk3-0v5 depends on gtk3. the former does not seem to been available in focal ever, should have been removed by the release upgrade. but then, the release upgrader from 18.04 LTS to 20.04 LTS is not considered stable, yet.
[21:40] <tomreyn> or not yet supported, anyways
[21:43] <stevecoh1> OK, seems like I see a path forward.  Was able to handle libwxgtk3 Just go through this short list and upgrade each one manually first.  Or is this asking for trouble?
[21:43] <BarnabasDK> if you are on a running 20.01 LTS I guess libwxgtk3.0-gtk3-0v5 is installed already - and the old one should be safe to ignore
[21:43] <BarnabasDK> what is the installation status on the fresh install?
[21:44] <stevecoh1> It was not installed.  I had to install it, then delete old one.  Both operations succeeded..
[21:46] <BarnabasDK> stevecoh1, maybe you could force a reinstall of your GUI environment with apt install --reinstall to the GUI meta package
[21:46] <BarnabasDK> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MetaPackages
[21:48] <stevecoh1> BarnabasDK - well, I seem to have handled libwxgtk3.0
[21:48] <BarnabasDK> stevecoh1, yeah but you will probably have to do them one by one
[21:48] <BarnabasDK> if the list is short I suppose thats OK
[21:49] <stevecoh1> only about 4 or 5.  Honestly don't care about java.  I've retired since I put that on :-) and can always reinstall it later if need be.
[21:49] <billybigrigger> im trying to upgrade my digitalocean droptlet from 18.04LTS to 20.04LTS, via do-release-upgrade -d
[21:50] <billybigrigger> and it keeps giving me errors about my sources.list......https://paste.mozilla.org/sLOg2u5G
[21:52] <billybigrigger> there's the output of the whole command, it seems to start using the focal repos, but then errors out with something i've never seen before doing upgrades....i looked over my sources.list and i don't seem to have anything out of the ordinary, ill paste sources here .....https://paste.mozilla.org/P85bmGkc
[21:53] <billybigrigger> i have tried to install ubuntu-minimal but it IS installed
[21:54] <oerheks> billybigrigger, follow their guide, or seek their support https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-upgrade-to-ubuntu-20-04-focal-fossa
[21:54] <billybigrigger> i have?
[21:54] <oerheks> upgrade path is not out yet, with reason
[21:55] <billybigrigger> what is the reason?
[21:55] <billybigrigger> ahh
[21:55] <billybigrigger> no point release
[21:58] <billybigrigger> that doesnt make sense 20.04.1 came out 2 months ago
[21:58] <billybigrigger> oerheks whats the reason for no upgrade path?
[22:01] <tomreyn> the reason for the message in line 50 ff. of https://paste.mozilla.org/sLOg2u5G will be that you're using DO's archive mirror, not an official mirror. if you'll edit your sources.list to point to an XX.archive.ubuntu.com mirror i think you'll be able to overcome this message.
[22:21] <stevecoh1> BarnabasDK: Grrrr.  Got rid of all the offenders, now get this
[22:21] <stevecoh1> $ sudo apt-clone clone /backupnot installable: version mismatch: Note that you can use --with-dpkg-repack to include those packges in the clone file.
[22:24] <stevecoh1> BarnabasDK: no not installables, no version mismatches, still barfs.
[22:31] <stevecoh1> BarnabasDK: thanks for the advice, it was worth a try :-(
[22:59] <KaiH> I'm used to that aptitude differentiates between security updates and other updates (maybe only from Debian, I'm not sure). It doesn't. Do you know what's the reason?
[23:04] <tomreyn> no, but
[23:04] <tomreyn> !aptitude
[23:05] <oerheks> in softwareupdater i see seperation too. security and other updates
[23:10] <KaiH> I'm using it on server… wasn't sure if should ask in #ubuntu-server, because updating is a quite general task :D
[23:12] <KaiH> Software updater seems to be a GUI only tool?
[23:12] <tomreyn> it is
[23:15] <KaiH> (personally, I use Kubuntu, so I don't know softwareupdater)
[23:58] <wabznasm> systemd is starting pulseaudio for system user (jenkins) without login which causes problems running jackd. Trying to disable pulse for that user fails. Any ideas on how to kick systemd to stop this? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3qg23nkhnm/