[05:06] <fr500> zenrox, i'm doing heavy tests on gnomebaker
[05:06] <Levander> kayali, i heard graveyard was good, never used myself
[05:06] <Dull404> thoreauputic: oki
[05:06] <fr500> for data cds its great
[05:07] <HrdwrBoB> Dull404: it should work for the most part, but no-one will help you
[05:07] <zenrox> fr500,  i have that installed as well graveman does work with my cd-rw drive
[05:07] <fr500> johnnybezak, what do we have in warty?
[05:07] <Levander> dull404, ubuntu does a lot of qa of the debian unstable branch, ubuntu basically tries to make debian unstable stable enough so that people won't have so many problems with it
[05:07] <Dull404> HrdwrBoB: ah ok. no im not going to use debian repos, i just wanted to know the difference :)
[05:07] <zenrox> fr500, bolh love it
[05:08] <kayali> I think I'm gonna quit gentoo for ubuntu on my ibook ......... hoary seems a good desktop os, only the lack of java scares me. also, is it possible to install apache + php on ubuntu (using ubuntu packages I mean)
[05:08] <HrdwrBoB> Dull404: ah :)
[05:08] <diego> Dull404: i'd say the main difference with ubuntu and debian right now is ubuntu's bi-annual releases
[05:08] <Dull404> Levander: i've heard Ubuntu uses most packages from Sid
[05:08] <thoreauputic> kayali: yes
[05:08] <johnnybezak> fr500: in warty xfree, hoary x.org
[05:08] <fr500> ok
[05:08] <diego> but i've never used debian itself (though i've used ubuntu and knoppix)
[05:08] <Levander> kayali, i did w apache2 and php4 on ubuntu - hoary should include php5 package
[05:08] <johnnybezak> (by default)
[05:08] <ells> anyone know how to combine vob fiels to make a playable dvd for my home player
[05:08] <zenrox> kayali,  read www.ubuntuguide.org for installing java apache etc....
[05:08] <Dull404> diego: true, last stable release of debian was in 2002 (!) :S
[05:08] <thoreauputic> kayali: for instructions on java see ubuntuguide.org
[05:09] <diego> Dull404: isn't that almost as bad as xp? haha
[05:09] <Levander> dull404, didn't know that, thought it was mainly unstable aka sarge
[05:09] <kayali> thoreauputic: ok, I hope they have a 'java on ppc' guide too ;)
[05:09] <Dull404> diego: hehe, yeah but its because sarge is too stable... it should be out long time ago ;)
[05:09] <thoreauputic> kayali: ah, that I don't know...
[05:09] <fr500> kayali, should be pretty similar i guess
[05:10] <zenrox> kayali,  you can find that stuff on www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki
[05:10] <ells> anyone know how to combine vob files to make a playable dvd for my home player
[05:10] <johnnybezak> hey guys i want to rename a bunch of files without doing it individually, i need to remove some numbers at the end of the filename, anyone got any ideas (ex. image.jpg.1 to image1.jpg
[05:10] <diego> Dull404: what's the problem with it anyway?
[05:10] <johnnybezak> )
[05:10] <Dull404> Levander: Sarge is stable.. but not "officially" stable
[05:10] <kayali> downloading hoary right now :)
[05:10] <Dull404> diego: with?
[05:10] <GFXstyLER> hi
[05:10] <diego> johnnybezak: you'd have to do some regular expressions i think, hope you know how and good luck. /me runs away
[05:10] <stazich> how to download Hoary?
[05:11] <diego> Dull404: releasing sarge?
[05:11] <Levander> johnnybezak, for i in `ls *.[1234] ` ; do mv $i `basename $i .[1234] ` ; done - that's basically it
[05:11] <ells> anyone know how to combine vob files to make a playable dvd for my home player
[05:11] <johnnybezak> diego: haha yeah i know I will i was hoping someone here could help me out
[05:11] <diego> stazich: go to the download link at ubuntulinux.rog
[05:11] <diego> stazich: org*
[05:11] <Potato-Green> does anyone here have gdesklets installed?
[05:11] <Dull404> stazich: look on distrowatch.com they have a link
[05:11] <Levander> johnny, that's bash syntax
[05:11] <thoreauputic> johnnybezak: you could try asking in #bash
[05:11] <johnnybezak> Levander: can you explain what the for i in does? i see it all the time in bash scripts
[05:11] <zenrox> stazich,  check out the www.ubuntuforums.org and search for hoary install
[05:11] <GFXstyLER> why is my system randomly slow after upgrading to hoary?
[05:12] <Dull404> diego: i dunno.... 1000 people who cant decide if its stable or not i'd guess
[05:12] <ells> anyone know how to combine vob files to make a playable dvd for my home player
[05:12] <johnnybezak> GFXstyLER: type top when its slow to see whats using the cpu up
[05:12] <Potato-Green> ells
[05:12] <zenrox> Potato-Green,  what are you trying to run the gdesklets on
[05:12] <Potato-Green> you dont combine vob files
[05:12] <ells> Potato-Green
[05:12] <ells> yes
[05:12] <Potato-Green> ubuntu
[05:12] <diego> GFXstyLER: cpu throttling?
[05:12] <Potato-Green> i burn my own dvds, you dont combine them
[05:12] <ells> Potato-Green, I want to copy a dvd
[05:12] <GFXstyLER> the cpu is always at 1% thats why iam wondering
[05:12] <Potato-Green> yeah
[05:12] <ells> Potato-Green, school me then
[05:12] <Potato-Green> ive dont it on windows, and u just copy the iso and burn
[05:13] <Levander> johnny, try in #bash also, but for does a loop.  For each value in the list, for sets i to the value and runs the commands in the body of the loop.
[05:13] <johnnybezak> GFXstyLER: i wish my cpu was always at 1% too :)
[05:13] <diego> GFXstyLER: add the cpu frequency monitor applet to you panel and watch it.
[05:13] <ells> Potato-Green, okay, did that not working
[05:13] <Potato-Green> zenrox im trying to run gdesklets on my laptop (ubuntu)
[05:13] <johnnybezak> Levander: thanks *gets bash scripting guide out* hehe
[05:13] <GFXstyLER> thanks for the tip diego
[05:13] <Potato-Green> ells
[05:13] <ells> I ripped it using dvdrip and make an iso and burned it, no can do
[05:13] <Potato-Green> ;p;
[05:13] <ells> Potato-Green, yes
[05:13] <Potato-Green> *lol
[05:14] <Potato-Green> you did it wrong
[05:14] <Levander> johnny, it's to much to explain in a busy channel, go to directory.google.com, search in the directory for bash, find the "bash category" in the directory, then look for a tutorial subcategory.  for loops are pretty basic, should find many tutorials that cover it
[05:14] <diego> GFXstyLER: recently mine started behaving badly, found it could be attributed to my cpu being throttled down to 300mhz every now and then heh
[05:14] <ells> Potato-Green, yes, educate me my man
[05:14] <Potato-Green> your burning the video as a iso?
[05:14] <Potato-Green> have u converted to video_ts and audio_ts folder?
[05:14] <ells> well, not sure if i should, have done it though
[05:14] <Dull404> ells: go dvdrhelp.com
[05:14] <Potato-Green> yeah
[05:15] <GFXstyLER> diego: maybe thats the problem, it just happened after installing cpydynd or cpufreqd, but i removed them both and its still slow sometimes
[05:15] <Potato-Green> theyll have more answers there
[05:15] <ells> Dull404, thanks
[05:15] <Dull404> np
[05:15] <Potato-Green> zenrox can u help?
[05:15] <johnnybezak> Levander: yeah its cool I'll just reread the for loops section of the bash scripting guide form tldp.org
[05:15] <diego> GFXstyLER: oh..hmm...look intently at 'top' i guess heh
[05:15] <Dull404> diego: arite then... im going for ubuntu/warty ... :)
[05:16] <Levander> johhnybezak - get a shorter chat name! it's to much to type!! but, cool, tldp is any good? I'm looking for tutorials all the time.
[05:16] <Dull404> Levander: use "Tab" key ;)
[05:16] <Dull404> nick-auto-completetion
[05:16] <Levander> Dull404: ha! that works! thanks!
[05:16] <diego> Dull404: cool, cool
[05:16] <Dull404> <---- cant spell
[05:17] <Levander> Dull404: just auto-completed your name twice!
[05:17] <Dull404> diego: got sick and tired of this Arch Linux.... its i686 optimized, but what the ....
[05:17] <Dull404> Levander: lol
[05:17] <Levander> johnnybezak: found tldp, yeah i used to use that stuff all the time.  The HOWTO's are always to broad and in-depth for what i need.
[05:17] <gfxstyler> diego: found the problem, its maybe Xorg
[05:18] <diego> Dull404: can't say i've tried it, i'm just a linux noob heh
[05:18] <Levander> johnnybezak: i like short tutorials that cover pretty much what i'm trying to do
[05:18] <johnnybezak> Levander: haha yeah the guides are pretty sweet
[05:18] <Potato-Green> anyone here have gdesklets installed?
[05:18] <Levander> johnnybezak: maybe they got better though, haven't used them in years
[05:18] <andrewski> Potato-Green: i have before...
[05:18] <diego> gfxstyler: been too long...are you the guy who was stuck at the command line?
[05:18] <johnnybezak> Levander: haha lucky you, i need big slow with lots of examples :)
[05:18] <Potato-Green> andrewski can i pm?
[05:18] <Dull404> diego: me too ;) even though i've been using puters since '94...
[05:18] <andrewski> Potato-Green: if you must.
[05:18] <gfxstyler> diego: no i was the guy with cpu throttling problems :)
[05:19] <KingTana> Who uses a external hardware modem for linux?
[05:19] <diego> gfxstyler: oh that was like 3 seconds ago
[05:19] <Levander> johnnybezak: u get to a point where basic tutorials are annoying and can't do without intermediate tutorials
[05:19] <johnnybezak> Levander: yeah i know what you mean
[05:19] <Levander> johnnybezak: how long u been playing w computer-geek stuff?
[05:19] <diego> gfxstyler: it was the uncapitalization the through me off i think
[05:19] <Dull404> *gone*
[05:20] <johnnybezak> Levander: when i type in that loop you gave me it says
[05:20] <johnnybezak> mv: `turtleneedscropping.jpg.4' and `turtleneedscropping.jpg.4' are the same file
[05:20] <gfxstyler> diego: yes i thought that this way its easier for all to type
[05:20] <johnnybezak> (does that for .1 .2 and .3 too)
[05:20] <Levander> johnnybezak: i was giving u the idea, it's far from complete
[05:20] <stazich> i have a problem with playback of CDs on my iMac with the warty ubuntu, it has been mentioned on ubuntuforums.org and really noone came up with an answer as to why the CDROM will playback but give NO SOUND while all other media plays fine... i was wondering if any of you had a similar problem here, or maybe know of a way to fix... someone suggested to upgrade to hoary... is it worthwile?
[05:21] <calc> stazich: it might not have a physical audio cable
[05:21] <johnnybezak> Levander: ok I'll go see if I can work it out :) tahnks for your help
[05:21] <ells> Dull404, all it talks about is windows stuff
[05:21] <stazich> calc- worked fine under OS9...
[05:21] <Levander> johnnybezak: , answer the chat I just sent u
[05:21] <thoreauputic> stazich: you ned to enable digital play
[05:22] <diego> stazich: it might HAVE a sound cable. lol
[05:22] <thoreauputic> stazich: the default cd player won't do it
[05:22] <calc> stazich: well of course it would, doesn't mean they are doing regular audio playback :)
[05:22] <gfxstyler> stazich: did you look at your audio settings for the cdrom volume?
[05:22] <stazich> hows that done?? u mean digital playback in XMMS as opposed to ANALOGUE?? what about other cdplayer apps??
[05:22] <calc> stazich: aiui macos along with windows xp can rip to the audio device, iow you don't need an audio cable but it uses more cpu to do it
[05:22] <johnnybezak> Levander: i don't know how to ive just started using irssi
[05:22] <thoreauputic> the iBook uses digital
[05:22] <johnnybezak> i'll launch xchat
[05:22] <diego> well i no longer serve a purpose here, peace all
[05:22] <stazich> gfx ... how do i d that?
[05:22] <JordanAU> Hello, I am cleaning off space on my hard drive to install ubuntu for the first time
[05:23] <gfxstyler> diego: peace
[05:23] <Levander> johnnybezak: ha, u to much, i just started an empty channel called notta, join that channel
[05:23] <thoreauputic> stazich: xmms or beep-media-player
[05:23] <stazich> il try now
[05:23] <calc> most cd player apps just tell the cd player to play the audio and assume the hardware has been designed properly for the audio to be heard by default
[05:23] <thoreauputic> stazich: configure the audio cd plugin
[05:23] <kayali> is there a web interface where I can see the packages available in the repositories? (like packages.debian.org)
[05:23] <JordanAU> i have been spending some time reading up on linux and i have a partitioning question
[05:23] <stazich> so does it mean imacs do not have direct cable from cd player to sndcard?
[05:23] <stazich> ive never taken 1 apart ;-)
[05:23] <calc> stazich: yes most likely it has no cable
[05:24] <JordanAU> should i partition anything more than 1 partition and a swap or should i sererate my root etc
[05:24] <gfxstyler> stazich: if you open the volume control you can set the volume of "CD", i dont know if thats what you are looking for but maybe it helps
[05:24] <thoreauputic> stazich: quite likely
[05:24] <JordanAU> sererate/seperate
[05:25] <bzbb> what do I need to watch a dvd?
[05:25] <crimsun> bzbb: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:25] <JordanAU> what is a recommended partitioning scheme for ubuntu?
[05:26] <crimsun> JordanAU: the default is fine unless you wish to exercise more control and/or have specific requirements
[05:26] <JordanAU> okay since this is my first time to seriously be using linux i will go default and adjust later if i really need to
[05:26] <gfxstyler> i have 100mb /boot, 512mb swap and 79gb /
[05:27] <stazich> hehe - digital audio playback works ;-)) thx guys... what about cable? i mean can i put it in ther somehow? i dont wanna run cd through digital playback if i can do it directly thru analogue taking less resources up
[05:27] <crimsun> 100 MB is _huge_ for /boot
[05:27] <JordanAU> gfxstyler: how much ram do youy have?
[05:27] <gfxstyler> 512
[05:27] <_phate_> gfxstyler: /boot should be around 32MB
[05:27] <JordanAU> i have heard something about doubling what you actually have i have 512 should i do a gig or 512
[05:27] <gfxstyler> i wasnt sure if 30mb for boot was enough, so i took 100
[05:28] <crimsun> gfxstyler: 30 MB is more than enough
[05:28] <calc> my boot is 20M and i have 3 kernels in it
[05:28] <_phate_> JordanAU: if you have the space go with a gig
[05:28] <calc> er my boot is taking 20M i meant to say
[05:28] <calc> i just have it on my / partition
[05:28] <JordanAU> okay i will have some 80 gig so i guess i will go for it
[05:28] <hayden> i have a cd-rw/dvd-rom drive, how can i set symbolic link /dev/dvd pointing to my cdrom drive?
[05:28] <crimsun> hayden: it should already exist when you boot
[05:28] <crimsun> hayden: rather, _after_ you finish booting
[05:28] <_phate_> gfxstyler: not really I made a similar mistake when I first started with linux
[05:28] <JordanAU> i am leaving windows on for halflife 2 any advice there?
[05:28] <hayden> hmm
[05:29] <clopsy> am trying to get XP to find shares on Ubuntu pc, can read everything except a FAT32 share--help?
[05:29] <_phate_> JordanAU: Yes, get an Xbox and play Halo 2
[05:29] <hayden> i just started gxine, and was going thru the wizard that appeared
[05:29] <crimsun> JordanAU: you could also use wine or cedega to play it in Linux if you have an Nvidia or an ATI graphics card
[05:29] <JordanAU> _phate_: ....
[05:29] <JDahl> hayden, with udev you cannot manually populate /dev (I beleive)
[05:29] <_phate_> JordanAU: Or get Transgaming Cedega
[05:29] <hayden> hmm ok
[05:30] <JordanAU> yeah i figure if i payed 100 bucks for windows already i should't be paying 5 bucks a month for not 100% supported steam
[05:30] <_phate_> JordanAU: its a DirectX Wine thingee
[05:30] <togs> I'm getting boot errors after installing on one box and transferrig the drive to the intended box, using "custom-expert" option. Is there a way to do that properly?
[05:30] <JordanAU> yeah it costs money too
[05:31] <JordanAU> Last question, should it pick up my wifi pretty easily?? the live CD didn't
[05:31] <_phate_> JordanAU: whats your wireless card
[05:31] <gfxstyler> are xfce 4.0 - xfce 4.2 pretty much the same or are there serious updates/changes? hoary only has xfce 4.0
[05:32] <crimsun> gfxstyler: 4.2 has some rather invasive updates
[05:32] <JordanAU> _phate_: I have a linksys wireless g
[05:32] <JordanAU> i will get you the model number if you need it
[05:32] <JordanAU> it is PCI
[05:32] <andrewski> gfxstyler: big changes.
[05:32] <andrewski> gfxstyler: os-works.com :)
[05:33] <gfxstyler> ok then i will try to get xfce 4.2 :) thanks
[05:33] <andrewski> gfxstyler: that site has a repository for the latest packages.  maintained by one of the devs. 8)
[05:34] <stazich> hey guys, how can i mount a netwrk folder smb://mars/My%20Music to my linux mount folder??
[05:34] <bur[n] er> crimsun: invasive?
[05:34] <_phate_> I dunno what the linksys uses... hum agere?
[05:34] <bur[n] er> stazich: mount -t smbfs
[05:34] <bur[n] er> stazich: or use the 'connect to server' thing
[05:35] <JordanAU> Update: I am burning ubuntu, I am presently using gaim, hopefully in about an hour i will be talking to y'all in XCHAT
[05:35] <crimsun> bur[n] er: as in lots of changes that require merging/tweaking to work with Ubuntu
[05:35] <JordanAU> on ubuntu
[05:35] <andrewski> yay.
[05:36] <bur[n] er> crimsun: but lots of 'great' changes too :)
[05:36] <stazich> yeah, mount -t smbfs doesnt do anything... do i have top add more?
[05:36] <crimsun> bur[n] er: quite true
[05:36] <bur[n] er> stazich: yes
[05:36] <stazich> which connect tp server thing?
[05:36] <stazich> like?
[05:36] <bur[n] er> stazich: man mount
[05:37] <bur[n] er> or smbmount (and look at what it tells you to do)
[05:37] <bur[n] er> the connect to server thing is in the main menu
[05:38] <clopsy> my problem is similar to stazich's--my XP box can see the shared "home" dir--but can't see "windrive" : which is an older FAT32 harddrive in the Ubuntu box
[05:38] <hyphen> can someone briefly explain what nautilus is?
[05:38] <thoreauputic> stazich: actually he means the "File" menu of nautilus
[05:39] <thoreauputic> hyphen: file manager
[05:39] <Agrajag> it's a graphical file manager for nautilus
[05:39] <Agrajag> er
[05:39] <Agrajag> gnome
[05:39] <hyphen> oh
[05:39] <thoreauputic> hyphen: sort of like windows explorer *shudder*
[05:39] <hyphen> so then running nautilus burn:/// is running burn from nautilus?
[05:40] <thoreauputic> hyphen: gives you a place to drag and drop stuff to burn
[05:40] <raggedgentleman> how do you convert a iso to a bin?
[05:40] <hyphen> ah
[05:40] <raggedgentleman> i only see bin to iso
[05:40] <thoreauputic> hyphen: then you hit the burn icon
[05:40] <raggedgentleman> every where bin to iso
[05:40] <hyphen> ahh
[05:41] <thoreauputic> raggedgentleman: why do you need to convert to bin?
[05:44] <raggedgentleman> to play a game with epsxe
[05:44] <gfxstyler> if i install the composite manager, is it always enabled or can i deactivate it? because i have an ati gfx card
[05:44] <andrewski> gfxstyler: you can disable it.
[05:45] <gfxstyler> andrewski: thanks
[05:45] <andrewski> gfxstyler: once you get it up and running, you have only to comment out the lines in your xorg.conf
[05:45] <raggedgentleman> thoreauputic, i got the iso but the client wont use the iso it only wants a bin
[05:46] <gfxstyler> w00t? xfce installation takes a few hours?
[05:47] <jba> mdz, are you in dude?
[05:47] <ArtVandalae> Hello, I'm trying to help a mate with Ubunutu. He's trying to play an mpg file, but he keeps getting an error, does he need to apt-get a codec pack to play mpgs?
[05:47] <jba> mdz, are you the maintainer of mythtv packages?
[05:47] <mdz> jba: yes
[05:47] <jba> I can't seem to find out what the password of the mythtv user, that the deb created is?
[05:47] <mdz> ArtVandalae: gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:47] <ArtVandalae> Thanks
[05:48] <mdz> jba: there is none; it's locked
[05:48] <gfxstyler> ArtVandaele: totem-xine
[05:48] <jba> mdz, how do i su to it to run the setup apps ?
[05:48] <mdz> sudo -u mythtv mythtv-setup
[05:48] <jba> okay thanks dude
[05:49] <jba> huh?
[05:49] <jba> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[05:49] <jba> Xlib: No protocol specifie
[05:51] <jba> mdz, any tips ?
[05:53] <crimsun> jba: gksudo -u mythtv mythtv-setup
[05:53] <pepsi> what kind of graphics card should i get if i want it to work nicely in linux?
[05:53] <Agrajag> nvidia
[05:53] <Agrajag> anything by nvidia
[05:53] <pepsi> ati stuff doesnt work?
[05:54] <pepsi> or its just picky
[05:54] <jba> crimsun, still no go
[05:54] <tsume> how does ubuntu install files?
[05:54] <tsume> I mean by the hier
[05:54] <tsume> if it installs a package, where does the package go?
[05:54] <crimsun> tsume: come again?
[05:55] <tsume>  /usr, /usr/local?
[05:55] <farruinn> pepsi: there was a thread on ubuntu-users recently about that
[05:55] <thoreauputic> tsume: usually /usr
[05:55] <crimsun> tsume: /usr/local is reserved for system-specific things. Packages should never touch /usr/local
[05:55] <tsume> can software be set as a prefix to go in /usr/local?
[05:55] <tsume> *packages
[05:56] <farruinn> usually /usr/local/ is a sort of "personal" filesystem
[05:56] <crimsun> tsume: again, distro-provided packages should not touch /usr/local
[05:56] <farruinn> but all packages should install elsewhere
[05:57] <tsume> crimsun: the question is though, can they be installed elsewhere?
[05:57] <thoreauputic> tsume: stuff you build yourself (for instance) can be put in /usr/local
[05:57] <crimsun> tsume: certainly, though you should not distribute such packages
[05:58] <farruinn> is this in the debian reference manual?
[05:59] <tsume> soo..
[05:59] <crimsun> farruinn: absolutely: see section 9.1.2
[05:59] <tsume> is the ubuntu install console based?
[06:00] <calc> all dist software belongs in /usr, all user installed software belongs in /usr/local, all third party crap belongs in /opt
[06:00] <raggedgentleman> can i convert a .img to a .bin?
[06:00] <calc> though the difference between user installed and 3rd party is a grey area
[06:00] <kern> Hey, do I need gpm to use my PS/2 and serial mice at the sametime?
[06:00] <crimsun> kern: no
[06:00] <kern> I'm not sure if I even have it configured right
[06:00] <tsume> ubuntu doesn't have a graphical installer does it?
[06:01] <kern> I've got the serial mouse in my XF86Config-4 file, and I have the module loaded.
[06:01] <hayden> has anyone installed engage dock ?\
[06:01] <crimsun> tsume: no
[06:01] <raggedgentleman> thoreauputic, what about .img to .bin?
[06:01] <thoreauputic> raggedgentleman: I don't know, sorry
[06:02] <kern> Anybody know how to get a serial mouse to work?
[06:02] <hayden> crimsun, do u know any mac like docks i can install?
[06:02] <crimsun> hayden: idesk?
[06:03] <crimsun> hayden: not sure what you mean by "docks"
[06:03] <kern> crimsun: Do you know how to get serial mice to work?
[06:03] <crimsun> kern: is it plugged in?
[06:03] <hayden> http://edevelop.org/errand/packages/themes/gant/apps/engage/preview.png
[06:03] <kern> I even loaded Dynebolic to detect my serial mouse to take the stuff from it's XF86Config
[06:03] <kern> crimsun: Yeah.
[06:04] <tsume> crimsun: is the partitioning application easy? ncurses?
[06:04] <tsume> crimsun: I can specify several slices, yes?
[06:04] <kern> Dynebolic detects my serial mouse at boot so I loaded that and copied the data from the XF86Config into Ubuntu, no luck there.
[06:04] <thoreauputic> tsume: you can choose manual partitioning
[06:04] <crimsun> tsume: there's not really an equivalent of bsd slices, but yes, you can manually partition
[06:04] <tsume> hmm
[06:05] <tsume> crimsun: erm oops. Sorry, I keep using bsd based words :)
[06:05] <tsume> Its been 3 years since I used linux
[06:08] <mrproper> Are there Ubuntu deb's for Mono 1.1.latest?
[06:08] <crimsun> mrproper: no
[06:08] <mrproper> k
[06:18] <R0bNyc> I'm trying to get kernel 2.6.11 -k7 since I have a athlon xp-m laptop, but I dont know what to get the source, the headers, the image etc?
[06:19] <R0bNyc> theres linux-tree, linux-source, linux-image, and linux-headres
[06:19] <zenrox> linux-image-k7
[06:19] <zenrox> something like that
[06:19] <azriel0184> R0bNyc, linux-images
[06:20] <azriel0184> linux-image-k7 for an amd
[06:20] <hayden> does anyone know how to install a mac-like dock for ubuntu?
[06:20] <zenrox> and souce and headers and tree all same k7 revision
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[06:20] <R0bNyc> azriel0184, thanks
[06:20] <zenrox> damn spammer
[06:20] <R0bNyc> i dont need to compile for it to work with all my hardware like my current 2.6.10 kernel?
[06:21] <R0bNyc> I'm using Hoary ARray 6 btw
[06:21] <zenrox> R0bNyc,  nope
[06:21] <azriel0184> if you needed to recompile it for 2.6.10 then maybe
[06:21] <R0bNyc> zenrox, thanks Ill try again
[06:21] <R0bNyc> no i didnt recompile
[06:22] <Kern> Anybody know how to get a serial mouse to work?
[06:22] <Kern> I've tried everything.
[06:22] <Kern> That I can think of.
[06:22] <thoreauputic> R0bNyc: the linux-image package should just install (and automatically add itself to the grub bootloader)
[06:22] <zenrox> Kern, try a sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and go tharu that wizared and point it to the location of the serial mouse
[06:23] <Kern> zenrox: I just tried that again, no luck.
[06:23] <thoreauputic> Kern: I killed my serial mouse with a sharp screwdriver and installed a ps2
[06:23] <R0bNyc> thoreauputic, i tried itbefore and it did install and added itself automatically but my mouse or touchpad didnt work and my keyboard either so i couldnt do nothing but shut it off manually and boot into 2.6.10 - i386 (Default)
[06:23] <Kern> I want to beable to use my PS/2 mouse and serial mouse at the sametime.
[06:24] <thoreauputic> R0bNyc: 2.6.11 is kind of on the bleeding edge, you know...
[06:24] <zenrox> kern ps2 usb maby but not serial and ps2
[06:24] <R0bNyc> yea I know and so is hoary
[06:24] <Kern> zenrox: I've used a PS/2 mouse and serial mouse in Dynebolic, which is based on Debian.
[06:24] <Kern> So I know it works.
[06:25] <zenrox> R0bNyc,  id stick with the 2.6.10 kernel  till the 2.6.11 is in better shape
[06:25] <thoreauputic> Kern: I find if I plug in a usb mouse and a ps2 at the same time, both work
[06:25] <hyphen> anyone here installed wine before?
[06:25] <R0bNyc> zenrox, no prob thanks
[06:25] <Kern> thoreauputic: Ok, but I can't use a USB mouse.
[06:25] <zenrox> Kern,  d/l the souce to that Dynebolic progam and compile it your self
[06:26] <Kern> Dynebolic is a Linux distribution.
[06:26] <zenrox> hyphen,  sudo apt-get install wine
[06:26] <Kern> I want to beable to do the same on Ubuntu.
[06:26] <zenrox> Kern,  do you still have an exampole of how that worked in the xfree86 server
[06:26] <Kern> Yeah.
[06:27] <fsc> ok, who's having problem with Totem being so slow?
[06:27] <Kern> I even have the module loaded at boot.
[06:27] <zenrox> look at the differences
[06:27] <hyphen> yeah, i already did that.  and i ./install.sh as well.  just curious as to how i'd go about running win files
[06:27] <fsc> takes forever to startup on a fast machine
[06:27] <zenrox> Kern,  make the aproate changes
[06:27] <Kern> zenrox: I already have. It's in my Ubuntu XF86Config-4
[06:27] <Kern> I'd say everything should be working, but it's not.
[06:27] <zenrox> once done do a alt+ctrl+backspace to restart x
[06:27] <R0bNyc> What is that stuff called that notifies you of software updates for hoary ?
[06:28] <Kern> zenrox: I've done that several times already.
[06:28] <zenrox> kern a good reboot
[06:28] <zenrox> ??
[06:28] <Xirdneh> hyphen, you may try this page is preatty easy to follow http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb
[06:28] <Kern> zenrox: Yeah.
[06:28] <zenrox> kern ok
[06:28] <hyphen> thanks
[06:28] <Xirdneh> hyphen, np
[06:28] <Kern> It's killing me man.
[06:28] <zenrox> Kern,  i know
[06:28] <Kern> Haha.
[06:29] <hyphen> er actually, i've read through that page already :P  just having a bit of trouble understanding some stuff in the documentation section
[06:29] <zenrox> Kern,  i have 1 prob id like resaulved and it wont be
[06:29] <zenrox> and its killing me
[06:29] <Kern> What is it zenrox?
[06:29] <zenrox> but ill get it to work some day
[06:29] <zenrox> Kern, trust me its hard
[06:29] <zenrox> very hard
[06:30] <zenrox> no one has bine able to fix it 3 chat rooms on this network
[06:30] <zenrox> and others as well
[06:31] <Kern> You can't just bring it up and not give me details zenrox!
[06:31] <zenrox> and its not a ubuntu problam any way
[06:31] <zenrox> dual monters on 2 difernt nvidia cards
[06:31] <Kern> Wow, I'd never even try something like that.
[06:32] <zenrox> fx5200 and a tnt2 (witch is out dated buy the 6629 nvidia driver)
[06:32] <ells> anyone familiar with copying home dvds
[06:32] <Adyeths> is there a services configure program in ubuntu?
[06:32] <Adyeths> like on the default cd install
[06:32] <ells> I ripped a dvd and it produced vob files
[06:32] <andrewski> Adyeths: vim /etc/conf.d/*
[06:32] <andrewski> Adyeths: or, for packages, dpkg-reconfigure package
[06:32] <ells> how can I make those so i can watch them as a regular cd
[06:33] <zenrox> Adyeths,  not on the cd but in the univeres that makes it a simi gui-esh
[06:33] <Adyeths> ok
[06:33] <ells> anyone familiar with copying home dvds
[06:33] <zenrox> dont rember the name tho
[06:33] <raggedgentleman> can i convert a .img to a .bin?
[06:33] <Adyeths> thats what I was wanting, a gui sort of configure util to turn the services on and off. (similar to the tools included in other distros like mandrake for instance)
[06:34] <raggedgentleman> how do you convert a iso to a bin?
[06:34] <zenrox> iso2bin
[06:34] <zenrox> ??
[06:34] <raggedgentleman> i only see bin to iso
[06:34] <zenrox> raggedgentleman,  ya
[06:34] <raggedgentleman> but i want the opposite
[06:34] <zenrox> thats the only way why conver from iso to bin
[06:34] <Adyeths> thanks!
[06:34] <zenrox> iso is easer to burn
[06:34] <raggedgentleman> to play games
[06:35] <zenrox> and still can be mounted in all os's
[06:35] <raggedgentleman> epsxe wants .bin files
[06:35] <zenrox> why does it want bin
[06:35] <raggedgentleman> mmmmm yeah maybe ill just mount it and tell it to play off the cd!
[06:35] <zenrox> thats easer
[06:35] <raggedgentleman> yeah! yay! how do you mount an iso?
[06:36] <zenrox> raggedgentleman,  read www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:36] <raggedgentleman> oh shit, =o)
[06:36] <zenrox> tons of other info too
[06:36] <raggedgentleman> hehe and i tell ppl to go there =o) i feel dumb
[06:36] <raggedgentleman> thanks bud
[06:36] <zenrox> lol
[06:37] <raggedgentleman> so the mounted iso will have a file system?
[06:38] <raggedgentleman> it wont be just a iso right
[06:40] <raggedgentleman> cool thanks dude
[06:41] <zenrox> yep it wont
[06:41] <zenrox> it will work basickly like a cdrom
[06:41] <zenrox> or any other mounted media
[06:42] <andrewski> anyone use abcde with flacs?
[06:47] <azriel0184> anyone know how to write an iso to a cd with xcdroast?
[06:51] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[06:51] <da_bon_bon> wazup ?
[06:53] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[06:53] <hayden> does anyone know how to install a mac os x like dock for ubuntu
[06:54] <zenrox> azriel0184,  use gnomebaker or use k3b
[06:54] <hyphen-> can someone recommend me a good .wmv and .avi viewer?
[06:54] <zenrox> hyphen-, gxine
[06:55] <azriel0184> is it possible to mount an iso image as a file system?
[06:55] <hyphen-> is that available through apt?
[06:55] <zenrox> azriel0184,  yes read www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:55] <zenrox> hyphen-, you might have to enable extra respoties
[06:56] <hyphen-> ah
[06:56] <hyphen-> i got it, thanks zen
[06:56] <zenrox> hyphen-,  but you can read the wiki on ubuntus webpage
[06:56] <hyphen-> will do
[06:56] <hyphen-> trying to do like 50 things at once
[06:56] <zenrox> lol
[06:56] <hyphen-> still having trouble with WINE too
[06:57] <hyphen-> cant figure out how to configure the damn thing
[06:57] <zenrox> hyphen-,  wine ant the most funnest tang to get worken
[06:57] <da_bon_bon> anyone got vmware running on hoary ?
[06:57] <hyphen-> so i'm learning, lol
[06:57] <thoreauputic> azriel0184: re: burning an iso - you can burn an iso from nautilus by choosing to from the right-click context menu (right click the iso file)
[06:57] <hyphen-> got any suggestions for an emulator?
[06:57] <hayden> does anyone know how to install a mac os x like dock for ubuntu
[06:57] <zenrox> hyphen-,  use snyaptic and search for wine might be extra packages you can install
[06:58] <hyphen-> i tried that.  none that really help
[06:58] <hyphen-> just alpha versions
[06:58] <da_bon_bon> hyphen-: use the sidenet config script
[06:58] <thoreauputic> hayden: please don't repeat
[06:58] <andrewski> hayden: dock?
[06:58] <hyphen-> i'll search for that, thanks  bon bon
[06:58] <hayden> like the one used on mac os x
[06:59] <andrewski> hayden: dock?  (define please; i've never used os x)
[06:59] <zenrox> andrewski,  its like the bar
[06:59] <thoreauputic> hayden: I believe there's a gdesklet that does something like that
[06:59] <andrewski> hayden: ^^
[06:59] <hayden> hmm
[06:59] <farruinn> there is a gdesklet, but it's nothing like os x dock
[06:59] <hyphen-> andrweski:  osx has a small toolbar with icons that enlarge as your mouseover
[06:59] <andrewski> hayden: that's what i was going to say.  starterbar, it's called.
[06:59] <hyphen-> sort of like a magnifying glass
[06:59] <hayden> ok
[07:00] <andrewski> hyphen-: yup, starterbar is like it.
[07:00] <andrewski> farruinn: "nothing like"?
[07:00] <farruinn> hayden: what about that enlightenment thing you threw a link out for earlier?
[07:00] <hayden> yea
[07:00] <farruinn> andrewski: in terms of functionality
[07:00] <hayden> i haven't found a way to install it
[07:00] <farruinn> andrewski: personally, I'd rather just use another gnome panel than the gdesklet thing
[07:01] <andrewski> farruinn: well, i don't find it very useful, but it's a bit of eyecandy i guess.
[07:01] <azriel0184> thoreauputic, yes, i did that already. :)
[07:01] <farruinn> exactly =)
[07:02] <farruinn> hayden: btw, that link prompted me to install enlightenment, and I must say, it's pretty spiffy
[07:02] <hayden> yea it looks pretty good from what i've seen
[07:02] <hayden> but i have no idea on how to install it
[07:02] <andrewski> farruinn: the ubuntu one, or the latest, e17?
[07:03] <farruinn> andrewski: backported it from hoary
[07:03] <da_bon_bon> hey, am i alive ?
[07:03] <andrewski> farruinn: ah, ok.  i hear there's a new one coming out soon that's supposed to be much better than the current version.  i find it a bit ugly, actually.
[07:04] <farruinn> andrewski: there are tons of themes though, right?  I kind of like the brushed-metal-blue
[07:04] <revildab> i installede16 just the other night, but it had no programs listed in the menu. i couldnt even load up a shell
[07:04] <farruinn> revildab: you might need menu-xdg or something installed
[07:04] <andrewski> farruinn: yeah, i didn't like the fonts; if i could select my own, i'd probably like it better. :)
[07:04] <revildab> hmm, alright farruinn ill try that, thanks
[07:05] <hayden> farruinn, how can i install the enlightenment thing?
[07:05] <andrewski> revildab: i don't think it'll help.
[07:05] <farruinn> whatever the package is that gives you the debian menu is what you want
[07:05] <farruinn> or get the menu editor
[07:05] <helloyo> i'm a long time kde user and have used some very complex heavily modified desktops, and let me tell you that ubuntu with gnome is a welcome change
[07:05] <andrewski> farruinn: i have it for gnome, but e didn't have the menu.
[07:06] <helloyo> especially the fact that i just got a printer working in 20 seconds that refused to work in kde
[07:06] <farruinn> andrewski: control click the desktop
[07:06] <andrewski> farruinn: well, i uninstalled it, i'm jus' sayin'.
[07:06] <thoreauputic> farruinn: the package is called "menu" , amazingly enough (wow, a package name that makes sense...)
[07:06] <thoreauputic> ;-)
[07:06] <farruinn> thoreauputic: awesome! =)
[07:06] <farruinn> andrewski: got it
[07:07] <farruinn> alt+f3 pops up a bubble with lots of hints
[07:08] <farruinn> the problem I'm having is that the menus try to move themselves so they don't go off the screen, unfortunately it doesn't work if the menu is longer than the screen is tall
[07:08] <farruinn> and my "net" submenu is huge
[07:08] <hyphen-> bon bon, i have the sidenet wine config files, what do i do with them?
[07:08] <andrewski> farruinn: hmm, well hopefully e17 will supply for both of us. :)
[07:08] <farruinn> andrewski: yeah, I'm definitely going to have to check it out at some point :D
[07:08] <hyphen-> poop
[07:09] <andrewski> farruinn: i think i'll wait until it comes out.
[07:09] <benh> hrm...
[07:09] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[07:09] <benh> very bad problem
[07:09] <benh> huuuuuge bug
[07:09] <andrewski> hi da_bon_bon
[07:09] <benh> political crisis !
[07:09] <_phate_> how do you tell if DRI is enabled for Xfree86?
[07:09] <benh> there is no Canberra - ACT in the timezone list of the installer :)
[07:10] <benh> no, we aren't in New South Wales !!!!
[07:10] <jdub_> yo i need help
[07:10] <thoreauputic> farruinn: that menu issue is one of my annoyances with E as well - I like the eye candy, but I find it impractical
[07:10] <_phate_> jdub_: What do you need
[07:10] <jdub_> my boy just put linux on my pc but just passed out, im trying to instal lime wire and im lost
[07:10] <helloyo> where does ubuntu get the funding for that free cd scheme (brilliant idea by the way)?
[07:11] <andrewski> good night!
[07:11] <farruinn> andrewski: g'night
[07:12] <jdub_> when i get to the extract part it all goes to hell
[07:12] <farruinn> helloyo: iirc Ubuntu was funded by an independently wealthy man who wanted to make a "better" linux or something
[07:12] <thoreauputic> jdub_: good to see you have your prorities straight ;) Install limewire befor reviving your boy...
[07:12] <hayden> farruinn, how can i install the e dock thiung?
[07:12] <revildab> lol thoreau
[07:12] <jdub_> naw he is good i put him in the tub
[07:13] <farruinn> hayden: looks like you'll have to build it from source
[07:13] <hyphen-> thoreau
[07:13] <jdub_> i cant get java its not there
[07:13] <hyphen-> dont you know that free music is worth the life of your best friend?
[07:13] <farruinn> jdub_: www.ubuntuguide.org is your friend
[07:13] <thoreauputic> hyphen-: ;-)
[07:13] <fsc> helloyo, shuttleworth was the first space tourist. he's funding
[07:13] <jdub_> cool
[07:13] <hayden> ok
[07:13] <hyphen-> yeah i just went through ubuntuguide and it's been a HUUGE help
[07:14] <revildab> shuttleworth? the man has nothing on george soros, although i do love ubuntu
[07:15] <jdub_> cool beans now anyone got any ideas how to mess with someone passes out in a tub off of jack and coke
[07:15] <hyphen-> if this sidenet config works...then i can die a happy man
[07:16] <thoreauputic> jdub_: sudo dpkg-reconfigure boy-consciousness ?
[07:16] <hyphen-> hahah
[07:16] <jdub_> yea
[07:16] <pepsi> which modules do i need to disable for nvidia drivers?
[07:16] <pepsi> glx?
[07:17] <pepsi> do i need to disable any of them?
[07:17] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[07:17] <revildab> super bon bon is a great song, i now dub it your themesong
[07:18] <cjennings> hey bon bon
[07:19] <hyphen-> omg i think i got it to work
[07:19] <thoreauputic> hyphen-: Ok, time to die then....
[07:20] <ells> anyone familiar with copying home dvds
[07:20] <helloyo> ells, yes
[07:20] <da_bon_bon> cjennings: hiya
[07:20] <helloyo> ells, albeit, into xvid
[07:21] <hyphen-> wait, not yet
[07:21] <ells> helloyo, please help
[07:21] <hyphen-> i have to install maya and see if it really works
[07:21] <hyphen-> after that, feel free to kill me
[07:21] <ells> helloyo, i ripped it using dvdrip
[07:21] <da_bon_bon> cjennings: type the first three letters of a persons nick, and press tab. auto complete
[07:21] <ells> how do i copy it to watch on my home player
[07:21] <helloyo> ells, i'm new to ubuntu, but i have used dvdrip a lot
[07:21] <ells> helloyo, cool
[07:21] <thoreauputic> hyphen-: any minute now a dialogue will pop up that says "Fatal Error" ;-)
[07:22] <helloyo> ells, not 100% sure, but i can point you in the right direction
[07:22] <ells> helloyo, okay, how can I make a dvd to watch on my home player using the vobs
[07:22] <hyphen-> if that happens
[07:22] <helloyo> ells, dvds are encrypted with css, so you need that library, but with dvdrip you should already have it. the problem with dvdrip is that it rips titles, not the whole dvd. might be best to copy the whole dvd, and burn that exactly, not sure how this works though sorry
[07:22] <hyphen-> i will have to break open a can of god knows what
[07:22] <hyphen-> on the world
[07:22] <ells> helloyo, I ripped it
[07:23] <helloyo> ells, a lot of dvd players can play vobs if thats how you want to watch it
[07:23] <ells> helloyo, okay, how can I compile it
[07:23] <ells> helloyo, i tried just copying the vobs, that did not work
[07:24] <helloyo> ells? compile? no need to do that
[07:24] <helloyo> can you view the vobs with any media players?
[07:24] <ells> helloyo, when i copied the vobs, that did not work
[07:24] <ells> I can watch them
[07:24] <helloyo> ells, have you tried burning them to dvd and trying that on your player?
[07:24] <hyphen-> maybe someone can help me
[07:25] <helloyo> dodgy, but it might work
[07:25] <ells> helloyo, yeap
[07:25] <hyphen-> when i run the autorun.exe through winelauncher, it loads up
[07:25] <helll> can somebody help me out. I just downoaded and installed the ubuntu linux os, but it will not go past the "Loading grub 1.5" screen after i have rebooted the system from an install
[07:25] <Zaww> hey google www.otomotivshow.com
[07:25] <hyphen-> but when i click "install" it stays idle
[07:26] <thoreauputic> grrr another drive-by spammer
[07:27] <hyphen-> well thoreau, looks like i will die another day
[07:27] <thoreauputic> hyphen-: ah, well, be prepared...
[07:27] <thoreauputic> hehe
[07:27] <hyphen-> har
[07:27] <helll> anybody? help please?
[07:28] <crimsun> helll: more debugging information necessary
[07:29] <helll> well
[07:29] <helll> how can i get more debugging information
[07:29] <helll> it installed sucessfully
[07:29] <crimsun> helll: right. Does it get to Starting Ubuntu... ?
[07:30] <helll> and then it tells me to take the cd out of the cd rom and push ok then it will reboot
[07:30] <helll> no
[07:30] <helll> it gets to this screen
[07:30] <helll> lemme go see exactly wht it says
[07:30] <helloyo> is totem a decent enough movie player to bother fixing? can't get an image up
[07:31] <Amaranth> totem is awesome in its simplicity
[07:31] <helll> "grub stage 1.5"..."Grub loading, Please wait."
[07:31] <helloyo> yeah, thats why i wanted to give it a go
[07:31] <helll> its been like this for ~10 minutes now
[07:31] <helll> ive rebooted
[07:31] <helll> same thing
[07:31] <helloyo> Amaranth, but it won't play anything proprly
[07:32] <crimsun> helll: and what if you choose repair/safe mode?
[07:32] <helll> grub wont boot
[07:32] <Echylo> anybody has experience with dyndns update clients?
[07:33] <helll> it goes through my bios, then to more system information, then the bios hits
[07:33] <helll> err
[07:33] <helll> then grub loads instead of the bios hits
[07:33] <helll> lol
[07:33] <thoreauputic> Echylo: ez-ipupdate
[07:33] <Echylo> but it has to work with dyndns.org
[07:33] <thoreauputic> Echylo: you can apt-get install it
[07:33] <helll> i dont know what to do
[07:33] <thoreauputic> it will
[07:33] <helll> im stuck
[07:33] <Echylo> I have a domain called
[07:33] <Echylo> echylon.mine.nu
[07:33] <Echylo> dynamic ip
[07:33] <Quarupt> here comes kubuntu
[07:34] <Echylo> but it will work thoreauputic?
[07:35] <helloyo> any ideas on how to get video in totem? fresh 4.10 install
[07:35] <Quarupt> what version of kde is the current kubuntu?
[07:35] <Quarupt> 3.3?
[07:35] <thoreauputic> Echylo: well, it's easy to try it - just choose to let debconf configure it and it will ask you for details
[07:35] <thoreauputic> Echylo: should be fine, I think
[07:35] <Echylo> hmm
[07:35] <Echylo> let me try
[07:35] <|Gunther|> hi
[07:36] <Echylo> how to work with debconf?
[07:36] <Echylo> cause I did debconf ez-ipupdate but It seems to do nothing
[07:36] <helll> can somebody help me out. I just downoaded and installed the ubuntu linux os, but it will not go past the "Loading grub 1.5" screen after i have rebooted the system from an install
[07:37] <thoreauputic> Echylo: just apt-get install, chosse automatic when it asks
[07:37] <thoreauputic> Echylo: and answer the questions
[07:37] <Echylo> ???
[07:37] <setite> when is 5.04 gonna be available
[07:37] <zenrox> setite, april?? may??
[07:37] <setite> i recall someone a while back telling me that the preview would be available in march
[07:37] <thoreauputic> Echylo: is it installed??
[07:37] <Echylo> ez-ipupdate is installed
[07:37] <Echylo> debconf was already installed
[07:37] <setite> i really want to use linux again
[07:38] <Echylo> but I didn't had to answer questions
[07:38] <Echylo> It just said there was no .conf file
[07:38] <thoreauputic> Echylo: when you installed, it should have asked how you waned it configured
[07:38] <thoreauputic> *wanted
[07:38] <Echylo> no it didn't
[07:38] <thoreauputic> Echylo: you chose automatic?
[07:38] <hyphen> how does everyone compare ubuntu to redhat?
[07:39] <Echylo> how should I chose that ? :
[07:39] <helll> anybody please? i want my system up tonight
[07:39] <helll> or i would like itup tonight
[07:39] <zenrox> Echylo, just do a sudo dpkg-reconfigure ez-ipupdate
[07:40] <_4strO> yop yop
[07:40] <Echylo> thanks
[07:40] <zenrox> Echylo, that help
[07:41] <Echylo> hmm
[07:41] <|Gunther|> I use Fedora Core 2 more than Ubuntu, mostly because I h8 Ubuntu's default theme in gnome, and I get only a 400x600 screen when I use it, maybe I should try Nvidia's drivers
[07:42] <revildab> might be your x settings
[07:42] <hyphen> really?  i just installed ubuntu last night and i get 1600x1200
[07:42] <revildab> i know i had to change mine to enable 1600x1200
[07:42] <Quarupt> wow kde isnt bad
[07:42] <helll> can somebody help me out. I just downoaded and installed the ubuntu linux os, but it will not go past the "Loading grub 1.5" screen after i have rebooted the system from an install
[07:42] <zenrox> |Gunther|, i have 1600x1200 on an nvidia card
[07:42] <farruinn> |Gunther|: heh, yeah you should be able to get better resolution than that
[07:43] <helloyo> i've installed gstreamer-plugins, but totem still only plays mpg, can somebody please help?
[07:43] <wezzer> helloyo: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[07:44] <zenrox> helloyo, and sudo apt-get install totem-xine
[07:44] <zenrox> helloyo, and w32codecs
[07:44] <helll> can somebody please help me? my system will not boot grub after a ubuntu install!
[07:45] <helloyo> ok, thanks guys
[07:45] <|Gunther|> I have another question guys
[07:45] <zenrox> |Gunther|, ok
[07:45] <thoreauputic> helloyo: also http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:46] <|Gunther|> I forgot my regular user pwd, either I can attempt to remember it, or there is a User account for root that I can log into? I am Novice when it comes to creating user accounts in Terminal or whatever
[07:46] <ukilledkenny> i just upgraded from warty to hoary... now x isnt starting up... wats the apt-get command to use
[07:47] <ukilledkenny> ...?
[07:47] <zenrox> |Gunther|,  thare is another way to recover the pass from using a live cd
[07:47] <zenrox> |Gunther|,  but i dont know how
[07:47] <helll> somebody please?? any ideas? im getting very fustrated
[07:47] <zenrox> ukilledkenny, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:47] <farruinn> helll: does it fail when rebooting after the first phase of the install?
[07:48] <helll> farruinn: yes
[07:48] <helloyo> ok, totem-xine wants to remove ubuntu-desktop, that would be bad wouldn't it?
[07:48] <ukilledkenny> zenrox thanx
[07:48] <farruinn> helll: do you get any sort of information printed on the screen?
[07:48] <zenrox> ukilledkenny,  n/p
[07:48] <helll> farruinn: do i have to do anything special to the format if i tell it to do the automatic partitoning?
[07:48] <farruinn> helll: no, nothing to worry about
[07:48] <helll> farruinn: besids waiting for gub to startup, nothing
[07:48] <helll> grub*
[07:49] <farruinn> oops, helloyo, that's nothing to worry aobut
[07:49] <virtuald> |Gunther|: doesn't "recovery mode" in grub's menu get you to a root shell?
[07:49] <helloyo> farruinn, if you say so...
[07:49] <Quarupt> whats a good C/Cpp development client/enviroment/shell thingy?
[07:49] <zenrox> virtuald,  yes
[07:49] <zenrox> firgot about that
[07:49] <paulproteus> Quarupt: I hear good things about KDevelop.
[07:49] <virtuald> B]
[07:50] <farruinn> helloyo: it's a metapackage, as in doesn't actually install anything, just depends on a lot of other packages
[07:50] <Quarupt> ok ill try it out
[07:50] <Quarupt> thx
[07:50] <helll> farruinn: any ideas?
[07:50] <hayden> how do i get gdesklets to work?
[07:50] <farruinn> helll: the automatic paritioning should have done it's job
[07:50] <Quarupt> doesnt seem to come with kubuntu guess i will need to DL it
[07:50] <farruinn> its*
[07:50] <cjennings> helloyo: I did the same thing yesterday. no problems for me, if that gives you more confidence.
[07:50] <schasi> does someone know about klik in here?
[07:50] <helloyo> cjennings, haha, yeah ok, thanks
[07:51] <helll> farruinn: alright...but i dont get why grub is not booting
[07:51] <farruinn> helll: what specifically does it say on your screen?
[07:51] <zenrox> helll,  might have botched the instial install
[07:51] <|Gunther|> yeah sure, I think it can
[07:51] <helll> farruinn: grub loading 1.5   (new line) loading grub, please wait
[07:51] <Quarupt> if your writing a bash script, and you want to do something with sudo, can you do like sudo cd /blah/blah  and put the password on the next line?
[07:52] <JordanAU> hi i just installed ubuntu for the first time
[07:52] <helll> farruinn: has been displaying that for about 25 minutes now
[07:52] <zenrox> |Gunther|, if it can then just do a password change command to the user
[07:52] <JordanAU> it runs great except i cant connect to my wireless network
[07:52] <farruinn> helll: I would try reinstalling
[07:52] <farruinn> helll: but then again I'm no grub expert (I use macs mostly)
[07:53] <cjennings> helll: I second reinstalling. Just use all the defaults if you can (automatic partitioning, etc).
[07:53] <zenrox> we need a good walk thru the install
[07:53] <helll> farruinn: have, 3 times
[07:53] <farruinn> helll: same result each time?
[07:53] <helll> farruinn: correct
[07:53] <hyphen> can someone recommend me a windows emulator aside from wine?
[07:53] <farruinn> what do you have for partitions?
[07:53] <helll> farruinn: this time was with a new cd...thinkin the grub on that cd was fubared
[07:53] <JordanAU> i am presently looking for linksys drivers any hits as to that? Also all of my music is stored on a windows Fat32 partition, ubuntu doesn't seem to see it, how do i detect that partition?
[07:53] <zenrox> helll,  have the bios setting saying no pnp os
[07:54] <cjennings> helll, was there anything on that drive before?
[07:54] <JordanAU> hits/hints
[07:54] <zenrox> errr notpnpos
[07:54] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[07:54] <da_bon_bon> anyone here usin vmware ?
[07:54] <cjennings> hyphen, vmware is the only other choice I know of.
[07:54] <cjennings> da_bon_bon, used to, but don't anymore. great software.
[07:54] <helll> farruinn: nothing lal the same...but one thing that i do remember is that i had to use ide=nodma or something like that for my gentoo installation because it wasnt seeing my hds
[07:54] <zenrox> helll,  how fast you burn the cd
[07:54] <hyphen> cjennings:  thanks, i'll look into that
[07:55] <helll> farruinn: oh yes i had fedora installed on my drive...uh this one i burnt it at 21x
[07:55] <cjennings> hyphen, it's non-free software, just so you know.
[07:55] <zenrox> helll,  burn at 4x
[07:55] <hyphen> ah poop
[07:55] <Quarupt> gedit has syntax coloring????
[07:55] <hyphen> i need something free
[07:55] <zenrox> helll,  you burn reliably at slower speeds
[07:55] <hyphen> i'm trying so hard not to go back to windows, but if i can't get my 3d software to run then i must :/
[07:55] <|Gunther|> hyphen: ungh. cedega
[07:56] <hyphen> cedega eh?
[07:56] <zenrox> or wineX
[07:56] <helll> farruinn: um...ive burnt hundreds of cds at 51x for os's...never had one fuck up on me....but now i doubt this is a cd issue
[07:56] <zenrox> ewww
[07:56] <hyphen> haha
[07:56] <zenrox> helll,  i had to burn at 4x if i burnt faster it woulent get past the grub loader
[07:56] <zenrox> either
[07:57] <farruinn> helll: I think there's your answer ^^^
[07:57] <helll> farruinn: one thing im confused about is the auto-partition only does swap and ext3...no boot partition
[07:57] <farruinn> helll: that could be a problem too =)
[07:57] <zenrox> and put /boot on another partion
[07:57] <farruinn> helll: when I do an install I make free space then I "automatically parition the free space"
[07:57] <zenrox> and /home in another partion you'll thank me lator
[07:58] <farruinn> zenrox: good call =)
[07:58] <helll> farruinn: heh and i rebooted my computer just now, and its complaining that it doesnt find a god damn os
[07:58] <farruinn> helll: no /boot makes it unhappy
[07:58] <farruinn> zenrox: good call, of course mine's on a separate drive - makes life so much easier
[07:58] <helll> farruinn: i think the auto partitioner should make a boot...but lemme reinstall sense ive done it half a dozen times im sure this wont do shit
[07:59] <farruinn> helll: well this time if it doesn't make a /boot, make a /boot
[07:59] <farruinn> but the auto partition should create the necessary partitions
[07:59] <dazed> hallo all
[07:59] <zenrox> farruinn,  i have a 40 gig 19.7gb /home 20gig /  and a 256mb swap(that i only use 2.88 megs out of)
[07:59] <helll> farruinn: the manual partition thing confuses the hell out of me
[07:59] <helll> fuck it im installing windows
[07:59] <zenrox> helll,  ill walk you tharu it
[07:59] <JordanAU> My new Ubuntu Install does not see my windows fat32 partition, How can I fix this???
[07:59] <zenrox> helll,  msg me
[08:02] <thoreauputic> JordanAU: edit /etc/fstab   put umask=002 and uid=1000 gid=1000 in th eptions field for that partition
[08:02] <thoreauputic> *options
[08:02] <ukilledkenny> zenrox, i got the error message xorg is broken or not completely installed
[08:02] <zenrox> JordanAU,  read www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:02] <zenrox> ukilledkenny,  try sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg then the reconfigure one
[08:03] <eyequeue> ukilledkenny:  just a quickie: try "sudo apt-get install -f"
[08:03] <poxymox> JordanAU: You need to install fat-filesystem support too, i think
[08:03] <ukilledkenny> thanx
[08:03] <dazed> thoreauputic: Hey...you know why i cant have any other sounds play when xmms is playing?
[08:04] <poxymox> zenrox: There ist a apt-comand to reconfige too i think
[08:04] <zenrox> poxymox,  ya but the dpkg-reconfigure i think is better
[08:04] <zenrox> imho
[08:04] <poxymox> ok!
[08:05] <jesper> If I should address an official "thank you" for the shipit-program, where should I send it?
[08:12] <poxymox> jesper: I find an Adress at this pdf: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mako/ubuntu_cds-customs_letter-generic.pdf
[08:13] <jesper> poxymox, thanks.
[08:15] <hayden> how do i install a *.deb file?
[08:15] <_4strO> dpkg -i
[08:15] <hayden> ok thanks
[08:16] <iiki> hey folks
[08:17] <Micksa> okay, I have a tricky one
[08:17] <iiki> im a linux noob but ill try
[08:17] <Micksa> I have a box that was warty and got apt-get dist-upgraded to hoary
[08:17] <Micksa> and gnome-panel and nautilus both crash on startup
[08:17] <Micksa> even from a clean account
[08:17] <iiki> sry cant help
[08:17] <iiki> im still on warty
[08:18] <membreya> so can anyone suggest some good gnome based games? already playing chromium and frozen-bubble
[08:18] <Micksa> do they have to be gnome-based?
[08:18] <membreya> preferably..but any games are good :)
[08:18] <Micksa> write one 8)
[08:18] <membreya> lol
[08:19] <azriel0184> Micksa, try running them from a console
[08:19] <azriel0184> armagetron
[08:19] <ukilledkenny> zenrox, yay
[08:19] <azriel0184> he has a point membreya... ;)
[08:20] <iiki> has anyone here gotten diablo 2 to run on ubuntu
[08:20] <membreya> i can barely type my own name :P
[08:20] <ukilledkenny> it worked... didnt use the dpkg-reconfigure command though
[08:20] <hayden> how do i install java 2 sdk?
[08:20] <azriel0184> membreya, sounds like youd be perfect for programming ;)
[08:20] <Micksa> azriel: I tried from an xterm if that's what you mean ;)
[08:21] <membreya> lol azriel0184
[08:21] <Micksa> no change.
[08:21] <_4strO> hayden> jrtfm
[08:21] <_4strO> :p
[08:21] <iiki> hayden go to the unbuntu website-->docs-->unoffical startup guide
[08:21] <iiki> and it tells there
[08:21] <azriel0184> Micksa, what does it say?
[08:21] <Micksa> it's your standard "application has crashed" dialog
[08:21] <iiki> tells you everything there
[08:21] <hayden> noob
[08:21] <Micksa> well, ubuntu's standard :)
[08:21] <zenrox> ukilledkenny,  have phun
[08:21] <iiki> i really like unbuntu
[08:22] <azriel0184> no idea then
[08:22] <iiki> finlly a distro of linux that i can stick w/
[08:22] <ukilledkenny> can someone help me install flash on hoary real quick
[08:22] <Micksa> "The Application 'gnome-panel' has quit unexpectedly."
[08:22] <_4strO> flash ?
[08:22] <azriel0184> membreya, thats why im picking on you ;) :P
[08:22] <ukilledkenny> the plugin for firefox
[08:23] <_4strO> ukilledkenny> go on www.drum-bass.net
[08:23] <zenrox> ukilledkenny,  read www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:23] <ukilledkenny> k
[08:24] <Micksa> ukilledkenny: use synaptic to install a package called "swf-play"
[08:24] <Micksa> that should work with firefox, I think.
[08:24] <helloyo> so glad i gave ubuntu another shot, its running sweet!
[08:25] <ukilledkenny> synaptic?
[08:25] <_4strO> for install plugin flash u only have to go on a flash website
[08:26] <_4strO> and then click on the part where is write that u don't have it
[08:26] <_4strO> --> www.ultimatum.fr
[08:27] <ukilledkenny> ill download the flash-plugin file from firefox and then run apt-get install flashplayer mozilla
[08:28] <_4strO> no
[08:28] <_4strO> dowload and instll from firefox
[08:28] <_4strO> just follow the instruction
[08:29] <ukilledkenny> _4strO: i never had any luck with this installation, even with following the instructions... hopefully hoary will be less merciful
[08:29] <_4strO> ^
[08:30] <_4strO> strange
[08:30] <_4strO> never see pb on it
[08:33] <_4strO> ukilledkenny> result ?
[08:34] <hyphen> anyone here familiar with wine and wanna help me out real quick?
[08:35] <_4strO> i have to go ...
[08:35] <_4strO> see ya ...
[08:36] <techn9ne>  hyphen: #winhq
[08:36] <techn9ne> winehq
[08:36] <hyphen> oh, thanks :P
[08:37] <helloyo> how do i get my desktop to reflect my home folder?
[08:37] <raggedgentleman> does anyone have a compiled ccd2iso?
[08:37] <raggedgentleman> i am having trouble compileing it
[08:37] <raggedgentleman> what is aclocal?
[08:38] <raggedgentleman> aclocal.m4
[08:41] <crimsun> raggedgentleman: aclocal is part of the automake package
[08:41] <crimsun> raggedgentleman: aclocal.m4 is a macro file
[08:42] <crimsun> raggedgentleman: you can read more about gnu autoconf, automake, etc. via your favourite search engine
[08:42] <raggedgentleman> crimsun, ok well when i try to compile that shit it exits with an error
[08:42] <raggedgentleman> im trying to run make
[08:43] <hayden> crimsun, do know how i can install j2sdk
[08:43] <crimsun> raggedgentleman: is the 'build-essential' package installed?
[08:43] <Quarupt> is there some kind of IRC server that has a setup wizard or a GUI?
[08:43] <crimsun> Quarupt: server? not that I know of
[08:43] <raggedgentleman> crimsun, no it was not
[08:44] <Quarupt> ok thx
[08:44] <maney_> hello
[08:44] <crimsun> raggedgentleman: what program are you trying to compile?
[08:44] <maney_> I want to report about conflict at package system.
[08:45] <maney_> if I try to install k3b, and then apt system try to install kcontrol.
[08:45] <raggedgentleman> crimsun, its called ccd2iso
[08:45] <maney_> and kcontrol try to overwrite at /usr/bin/kcmshell.
[08:45] <raggedgentleman> crimsun, it takes CloneCD images and converts them into isos
[08:45] <raggedgentleman> you know .img .ccd .sub
[08:45] <maney_> so it is killed by broken pipe.
[08:45] <raggedgentleman> those
[08:45] <maney_> anyone in here try to install k3b?
[08:45] <crimsun> raggedgentleman: not familiar w/ the innards of clonecd, sorry.
[08:46] <raggedgentleman> crimsun, yeah well i have some imgs that id like to use with linux
[08:46] <crimsun> maney_: what package/version is conflicting with that file?
[08:47] <helloyo> does anyone know how to make my desktop reflect my home directory?
[08:47] <raggedgentleman> crimsun, and i dont have any win part. so.. this is my only opt. thanks, so with this package i should be able to build stuff now
[08:47] <thoreauputic> helloyo: saw your question - don't understand it
[08:47] <crimsun> hayden: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15
[08:47] <maney_> crimsun, kcontrol_4%3a3.3.2-1ubuntu7_i386.deb
[08:47] <maney_> I'm hoary.
[08:47] <raggedgentleman> crimsun, maybe this is why ive never successfully compiled anything with a make file
[08:48] <thoreauputic> helloyo: what do you mean "mirror " ?
[08:48] <crimsun> raggedgentleman: you may need additional -dev packages.
[08:48] <thoreauputic> or reflect or whatever
[08:48] <crimsun> maney_: hmm, it's installed fine here.
[08:49] <helloyo> thoreauputic, i've worked it out, what i meant was that all my files in the home directory were accesible from the desktop
[08:49] <crimsun> maney_: dpkg -S /usr/bin/kcmshell
[08:49] <thoreauputic> helloyo: ok
[08:49] <raggedgentleman> crimsun, yeah... do you know what that package is called?
[08:49] <maney_> kdelibs-bin: /usr/bin/kcmshell
[08:49] <maney_> it is result of dpkg -S /usr/bin/kcmshell
[08:50] <crimsun> maney_: dpkg -l kdelibs-bin|grep ^ii
[08:50] <crimsun> raggedgentleman: there may not be just one package.
[08:50] <maney_> ii  kdelibs-bin    3.4.0-0pre1ubu KDE core binaries
[08:51] <crimsun> maney_: paste the output of the following in #flood: apt-cache policy kdelibs-bin
[08:51] <pro> uMkulu, how are you?
[08:51] <raggedgentleman> crimsun, mm great sounds fun.
[08:52] <pro> uMkulu, time?
[08:53] <thoreauputic> pro: I believe uMkulu is now +q  :(
[08:53] <pro> mmm, seems like it
[08:53] <thoreauputic> pro: some controversy about bots yesterday
[08:54] <raggedgentleman> crimsun, so what are u saying? how can i find out wich ones ill need?
[08:54] <crimsun> maney_: hmm. Must have been updated within the past 6 hours.
[08:55] <raggedgentleman> crimsun, i think i just need this one aclocal.m4 right?
[08:55] <crimsun> maney_: sec, running dist-upgrade
[08:55] <maney_> ah... so source mirror site have problem?
[08:55] <raggedgentleman> cant i just dl this one file?
[08:55] <maney_> ah?;;
[08:55] <maney_> ok
[08:55] <crimsun> raggedgentleman: why do you need that file? Are you trying to build from upstream cvs/svn?
[08:55] <hayden> thanks for the java link crimsun
[08:56] <crimsun> hayden: np
[08:56] <pro> thoreauputic, i'll make a plan. but the staffer i need to speak to only wakes up later,
[08:56] <crimsun> maney_: did you use apt-get, aptitude, synaptic, or dselect?
[08:56] <pro> thoreauputic, but thanks, i was tring to look in his logs whats going on
[08:56] <maney_> apt-get
[08:56] <crimsun> k
[08:56] <crimsun> (sec, dist-upgrade is still running)
[08:57] <raggedgentleman> make
[08:57] <raggedgentleman> cd . && /bin/sh /home/raggedgentleman/ccd2iso/missing --run aclocal-1.6
[08:57] <raggedgentleman> /home/raggedgentleman/ccd2iso/missing: line 46: aclocal-1.6: command not found
[08:57] <raggedgentleman> WARNING: `aclocal-1.6' is needed, and you do not seem to have it handy on your
[08:57] <raggedgentleman>          system.  You might have modified some files without having the
[08:57] <raggedgentleman>          proper tools for further handling them.  Check the `README' file,
[08:57] <raggedgentleman>          it often tells you about the needed prerequirements for installing
[08:57] <raggedgentleman>          this package.  You may also peek at any GNU archive site, in case
[08:57] <raggedgentleman>          some other package would contain this missing `aclocal-1.6' program.
[08:57] <raggedgentleman> make: *** [aclocal.m4]  Error 1
[08:57] <thoreauputic> pro: seems jdub, bob2 and daniels (?) don't want bots in the channel
[08:57] <crimsun> raggedgentleman: please don't flood in here
[08:57] <thoreauputic> raggedgentleman: I hope that was a mistake...
[08:58] <raggedgentleman> yeah i didnt know it would send after apast
[08:58] <membreya> lo thoreauputic :)
[08:59] <AcidWolf> for some reason i cant seem to satisfy the dependencies for Bittorrent PPC
[08:59] <AcidWolf> :(
[08:59] <thoreauputic> membreya: hello - how's life in the sociopathic world?  ;-)
[08:59] <crimsun> raggedgentleman: sudo apt-get install automake1.6
[08:59] <membreya> emotionally detached :)
[09:00] <membreya> but on the plus side I got squid up and running :)
[09:00] <thoreauputic> membreya: makes sense
[09:00] <membreya> :D
[09:00] <thoreauputic> membreya: emotional detachment would be an advantage for getting squid running I would guess...
[09:01] <membreya> integrate myself into a nerdy world, obtain the information required...and then bail with no remorse :P
[09:02] <thoreauputic> membreya: ah, yes, chameleon tactics...
[09:03] <membreya> i am glad I got squid running though :)
[09:03] <AcidWolf> i need some help
[09:03] <AcidWolf>  Depends: python (>= 2.4) but 2.3.4-1ubuntu1 is to be installed                  Depends: libwxgtk2.4-python but it is not going to be installed
[09:03] <thoreauputic> membreya: glad to hear the detachment is not complete ;-)
[09:03] <AcidWolf> i have both those packages installed
[09:04] <crimsun> maney_: try running sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[09:04] <AcidWolf> however it still says the dependencies are unmet
[09:04] <AcidWolf> :(
[09:04] <crimsun> maney_: using aptitude, I was able to install that package just fine
[09:05] <raggedgentleman> crimsun, still same error even after installing that new package
[09:05] <crimsun> raggedgentleman: why are you running make directly?
[09:05] <crimsun> raggedgentleman: did you run ./configure first?
[09:05] <maney_> crimsun, yes I'll
[09:05] <thoreauputic> AcidWolf: tried running sudo apt-get update then attempting the install again?
[09:06] <raggedgentleman> crimsun, yeah i did, should i do it again, since i installed that new package?
[09:06] <AcidWolf> yes i ahve thoreauputic
[09:06] <membreya> thoreauputic: ....can you recommend any games?
[09:06] <crimsun> raggedgentleman: yes
[09:06] <thoreauputic> AcidWolf: OK - just checking the obvious :)
[09:06] <AcidWolf> any other suggestions
[09:06] <thoreauputic> membreya: seduction is always fun, or cycling...
[09:07] <thoreauputic> membreya: or both at once...
[09:07] <membreya> I was talking about linux games, not real life ones :P
[09:08] <thoreauputic> membreya: ah, there's a difference ... didn't notice ;-)
[09:08] <membreya> :P
[09:09] <thoreauputic> membreya: linux is a game for me
[09:09] <dbo> HI!
[09:09] <thoreauputic> :)
[09:09] <dbo> is everyone haveing a good day?
[09:09] <dbo> GOOD!
[09:09] <membreya> sadist thoreauputic
[09:09] <[core] > hi!
[09:09] <dbo> i need a p2p program that's in apt-get and will work out of the box
[09:09] <thoreauputic> membreya: did you mean masochist?
[09:09] <dbo> make the pain go away
[09:09] <membreya> no...sadist
[09:09] <membreya> dbo amule :)
[09:09] <thoreauputic> hehe
[09:10] <membreya> or just download azureus
[09:10] <membreya> and I call you a sadist thoreauputic because you seem to enjoy taunting me
[09:10] <membreya> ooooo revised compact edition :D
[09:10] <thoreauputic> membreya: mwuhahaha !
[09:11] <thoreauputic> membreya: yes, the Concise Edition :)
[09:11] <membreya> it's actually just the index pages for the entire linux manual :)
[09:12] <thoreauputic> membreya: actually it's the Microfiche edition - you need a Microfiche machine from 1975 to read it ;-)
[09:13] <membreya> hahah :P
[09:13] <membreya> using punch cards to operate it ?
[09:13] <thoreauputic> of course
[09:13] <thoreauputic> or jsut patch cords and toggle switches
[09:14] <membreya> DIP switches :P
[09:17] <raggedgentleman> crimsun, same error =o(
[09:17] <zenrox> one more sucess storie for me
[09:17] <zenrox> helll got his pc to take ubuntu
[09:17] <zenrox> the ubuntu virus strikes agine
[09:17] <thoreauputic> zenrox: well done :)
[09:18] <crimsun> raggedgentleman: paste the error in #flood
[09:18] <tokoloshi> speaking of virus, you guys worked in wnidows lately?
[09:18] <thoreauputic> zenrox: what was the problem, in the end?
[09:18] <zenrox> thoreauputic, /boot , /home , /
[09:18] <zenrox> and swap
[09:18] <membreya> tokoloshi: been about a week since I've been to windows
[09:18] <zenrox> just needed /booy
[09:18] <zenrox> err /boot
[09:18] <AcidWolf> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:18] <AcidWolf>   libwxgtk2.4-python: Depends: libwxgtk2.4 (>= <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1) but <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1 is to be installed
[09:19] <AcidWolf> :(
[09:19] <raggedgentleman> crimsun, and i did run ./configure again
[09:19] <zenrox> AcidWolf,  your trying to install a progam that uses a hoary package
[09:20] <AcidWolf> zenrox i have all the hoary repositiries anabled in /etc/apt/sources.list so shouldnt the dependencies be met automatically
[09:20] <_bryan> just made the switch from Windows to ubuntu, can't find my second hdd. i tried 'mount hdb' and 'mount hdb1' but to no avail
[09:20] <zenrox> AcidWolf,  did you do a dist-upgrade
[09:20] <AcidWolf> or will it take a dist-upgrade
[09:20] <zenrox> it will take a dist-upgrade
[09:21] <crimsun> raggedgentleman: apt-get install libtool autoconf
[09:21] <membreya> _bryan: does dmesg show it's been found?
[09:21] <AcidWolf> no i havent done dist upgrade cause i am running on Apple G4 powerbook and haory runs extremely unstable for me on it
[09:21] <zenrox> then un enable the hoary sorces
[09:21] <_bryan> yup, it says: hdb: WDC WD1600JB-00GVA0, ATA DISK drive
[09:21] <zenrox> and stick with warty
[09:22] <AcidWolf> so then if i wanted to use bittorrent in warty what would i have to do
[09:22] <AcidWolf> ive tried alot of things
[09:22] <membreya> _bryan: what command are you using to mount the drive?
[09:23] <_bryan> eerr, i did 'mount /dev/hdb'
[09:23] <zenrox> AcidWolf, i dont know wnay other way other then compiling it your self
[09:23] <AcidWolf> ok
[09:24] <hyphen> here's a super noob question for you guys
[09:24] <thoreauputic> apt-get -t hoary install package   might work, but I haven't tried that on ubuntu
[09:24] <hyphen> if i wanted to run a setup file in my cdrom with wine through a terminal, how would i do that?
[09:24] <zenrox> thoreauputic, ya but mixing warty with hoary is asken for truble
[09:24] <thoreauputic> zenrox: yes
[09:25] <zenrox> hyphen, wine progam.exe
[09:25] <hyphen> from any directory?
[09:25] <zenrox> in the cdrom dir
[09:25] <membreya> _bryan: you need to give it a mount point
[09:25] <hyphen> how do i get there?  it doesn't have a letter assigned?
[09:25] <thoreauputic> hyphen: else you would need the full path to the .exe
[09:25] <tokoloshi> i assume warty and  hoary are 2 versions of ubuntu?
[09:25] <hyphen> [sorry about the newbish question]
[09:26] <_bryan> ok
[09:26] <zenrox> hyphen,  its ok
[09:26] <_bryan> so, a mount point would be?
[09:26] <thoreauputic> hyphen: hey, that's what the channel is here for
[09:26] <hyphen> ;)
[09:26] <zenrox> and some theratics
[09:26] <hyphen> so what's the path to my cdroms?
[09:27] <tokoloshi> _bryan, man mount     ( thats disgusting, thats why i learned the manpage for mount )
[09:27] <membreya> _bryan: /mnt/(second harddrive) ..you will need to create a directory
[09:27] <zenrox> err /media
[09:27] <hyphen> ooh
[09:27] <zenrox> hyphen, /media
[09:27] <hyphen> sweet, thanks guys
[09:27] <zenrox> cdrom1 and 2 etccc
[09:27] <thoreauputic> zenrox: theratics? theatrics? ?
[09:27] <zenrox> theatrics
[09:27] <michael> Hi ! can someone help me? i del. the ubuntu HDD but now xp does not start up GRUB loading Error 22 is the message!
[09:27] <zenrox> i think
[09:28] <thoreauputic> ah I guessed corectly, as my French teacher used to say ... :)
[09:28] <zenrox> michael,  reboot using the winxp cdrom and tell it to fix mbr
[09:28] <pro> michael,  get the windows disk and fdisk /mbr
[09:28] <azriel0184> if you only have XP on the system, boot the install cd, go to a recovery shell and type "fixmbr"
[09:28] <zenrox> azriel0184,  thats it right thare
[09:29] <pro> and michael, you took ubuntu off and want to run XP and you ask here for help? traitor
[09:29] <michael> thanks a lot !! try it now !!! Michael
[09:29] <zenrox> lol
[09:29] <hyphen> argg
[09:29] <hyphen> this is such a pain, wine says that maya 6.0 works, but it doesn't even run the setup properly
[09:29] <zenrox> hehehehehheheheh
[09:29] <hyphen> it doesn't even run it at all
[09:30] <zenrox> hyphen,  google it time maya 6.0 +linux
[09:30] <_bryan> so the drive i want to mount has lots of important stuff on it, it's probably ntfs, so when i mount it as a ext3 am i going to loose all my data?
[09:30] <hyphen> thats what i've been doing
[09:30] <crimsun> _bryan: you can't mount ntfs as ext3
[09:30] <hyphen> i just keep finding articles on maya working with redhat and fedora
[09:31] <membreya> _bryan: it's PROBABLY NTFS?
[09:31] <zenrox> read what thay are doing some of that will work execpt the rpm stuff
[09:31] <membreya> how can you not know ?
[09:31] <_bryan> ok 'it is ntfs'
[09:31] <_bryan> better?
[09:31] <membreya> _bryan: in my fstab file I have /dev/sda1       /media/temp    ntfs    umask=0222      0       0
[09:31] <hyphen> that's what it's all about, rpms [whatever those are] .  i guess alias made a version for linux, but it only really works with redhat
[09:32] <hyphen> and fedora
[09:32] <crimsun> _bryan: I'm not sure why you'd try to mount a ntfs partition as any filesystem type other than ntfs...
[09:32] <thoreauputic> _bryan: membreya is a self-confessed sociopath - humour him ;-)
[09:32] <zenrox> hyphen,  you might try to compile the code your self
[09:32] <hyphen> the wine source?
[09:32] <membreya> and you're a glorified bum..what's your point thoreauputic
[09:32] <zenrox> hyphen,  why not
[09:32] <hyphen> because im a total newb, lol
[09:32] <zenrox> lol
[09:33] <thoreauputic> membreya: ah, I've been promoted!
[09:33] <_bryan> ok, sorry, i read the man wrong, i thought i could only mount ext2, ext3 and xfs
[09:33] <_bryan> my bad
[09:33] <membreya> yes thoreauputic ..you've been problems from bum to glorified bum :) you're almost human now
[09:34] <zenrox> membreya,  ya your the uperclass bum
[09:34] <membreya> erm
[09:34] <membreya> problems = promoted
[09:34] <thoreauputic> membreya: oh, no! Anything but that!
[09:34] <membreya> damnit..stop multitasking Adam
[09:34] <kuru_> someone helped me with this before and i can't seem to remember how it worked and can't get it to work again.. I can't seem to be able to burn cd's
[09:34] <kuru_> thoreauputic: i think you were there ;)
[09:35] <membreya> zenrox: if you choose to insult me ...do it properly.. it's "you're the upperclass bum" ...u
[09:35] <kuru_> I remember it had something to do with -dev=0,0,0 since I have a cdrw and a dvd drive.. both my hdd's are scsi's but my cdrw and dvd's are atapi
[09:35] <zenrox> membreya, ill try to rember that
[09:35] <raggedgentleman> crimsun, thank you so much
[09:35] <membreya> :)
[09:35] <thoreauputic> zenrox: we need a grammar bot - membreya wil do nicely :)
[09:35] <raggedgentleman> crimsun, it freekin works
[09:36] <zenrox> thoreauputic,  i agreee
[09:36] <membreya> :P
[09:36] <membreya> people at work call me robot..so why not :(
[09:36] <zenrox> hahahahahahhaha
[09:36] <kuru_> when I do 'cdrecord dev=ATAPI -scanbus' I get 0,0,0     0) 'HL-DT-ST' 'DVD-ROM GDR8162B' '0015' Removable CD-ROM
[09:36] <poxymox>  kuru_: Your dev-ID: cdrecord --scanbus
[09:37] <crimsun> raggedgentleman: good to hear.
[09:37] <kuru_> poxymox: eh?
[09:37] <poxymox> nothing ... :-)
[09:37] <zenrox> crimsun,  the ubuntu virus strikes ??
[09:37] <crimsun> aye
[09:38] <membreya> they wanted to call me bender (the robot from futurama) but then I enlightened them to the other connotations of the word :P
[09:38] <kuru_> crimsun: i think you were the one who helped me last time?
[09:38] <crimsun> kuru_: with what, if I may ask?
[09:38] <zenrox> membreya,  lol
[09:38] <kuru> crimsun: with burning cd's
[09:39] <zenrox> look we are building client tell
[09:39] <crimsun> kuru: hmm, I don't remember helping anyone with cd burning, but what issues are you having?
[09:39] <zenrox> every one has there fav ubuntu geek
[09:39] <kuru> crimsun: it keeps saying that it can't open /dev/sg* , etc.
[09:40] <crimsun> kuru: audio or data?
[09:40] <membreya> zenrox: you mean clientele?
[09:40] <kuru> crimsun: either
[09:40] <zenrox> thx agine membreya
[09:40] <zenrox> lol
[09:40] <Benjamin_L> will firefox 1.0.1 make it into hoary ?
[09:40] <zenrox> Benjamin_L,  probly
[09:40] <crimsun> kuru: sudo cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc foo.iso
[09:41] <crimsun> kuru: or, sudo cdrecord -audio -pad -dao dev=/dev/hdc *.wav
[09:41] <kuru> crimsun: no no no.. that's not my problem ;)
[09:41] <crimsun> kuru: the important part is that you use the correct /dev node
[09:41] <Benjamin_L> ok, we'll see. hopefully macromedia will release a 64 bit version of their flash plugin anytime soon...
[09:41] <zenrox> crimsun,  if its /dev/sg ant that a diferent protical
[09:41] <zenrox> form apti
[09:41] <kuru> maybe that's t
[09:41] <kuru> it
[09:41] <zenrox> from apit
[09:41] <membreya> hopefully Benjamin_L :)
[09:42] <kuru> crimsun: how do I know the correct dev node?
[09:42] <crimsun> kuru: you don't need to use dev=0,1,0 or anything; that's the old method. With Linux 2.6, you're supposed to use the new semantics, i.e., /dev/hdX where X is your drive letter
[09:42] <pro> kuru, what do you mean the device node?
[09:43] <kuru> pro: ask crimsun ;) /dev/hd*
[09:43] <crimsun> kuru: err, who's having the cd burning issue(s)?
[09:44] <kuru> crimsun: I think I remember what the problem was.. it's exactly what you have described
[09:45] <crimsun> kuru: you can find out which device it is by: grep ATAPI /var/log/dmesg
[09:45] <crimsun> for instance, on my current machine, it's hdc
[09:45] <basse> hi, the ubuntu website is a bit messy.. could somebody tell me where I could get the currently used backgrounds that come with kubuntu?
[09:45] <daniels> does anyone else here have a PCIE video card?  if so, would you mind grabbing http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/pcibustype.c, running gcc -o pcibustype pcibustype.c, then sudo ./pcibustype $(lspci -X | grep 'VGA compatible controller' | cut -f1 -d' '), and telling me what the output is?
[09:46] <hyphen> another question, how do i edit my shell?
[09:47] <hyphen> i guess i'm supposed to set an environment variable in the shell...just don't know how to get to it
[09:47] <membreya> edit your shell? :|
[09:47] <hyphen>  Your program might require some environment variable to be set properly in order to run successfully. In this case you need to set this environment variable in the Linux shell
[09:48] <_bryan> I keep getting "mount: /dev/hdb already mounted or /mnt/hdb busy
[09:48] <_bryan> "
[09:48] <azriel0184> VARIABLE="value"
[09:48] <hyphen> i know the syntax, they give the variable to set
[09:48] <hyphen> i just don't know how to put it in the linux shell
[09:48] <_bryan> but a 'mount' doesn't show hdb being mounted
[09:48] <azriel0184> _bryan: cat /etc/mtab | grep /dev/hdb
[09:49] <crimsun> _bryan: /dev/hdb is a device, not a partition. You can only mount partitions.
[09:49] <azriel0184> ohh... right :)
[09:49] <crimsun> _bryan: in other words, mount a partition on /dev/hdb such as /dev/hdb1
[09:49] <_bryan> ahh
[09:49] <azriel0184> ignore me _bryan
[09:49] <_bryan> well that makes more sense
[09:50] <hayden> where do xmms themes go?
[09:50] <thoreauputic> hayden: ~/.xmms
[09:50] <hayden> ok thanks
[09:50] <_bryan> now it says i don't have the permissions necessary to view it
[09:51] <_bryan> (it mounted)
[09:51] <thoreauputic> hayden: ~.xmms/Skins in fact
[09:51] <hayden> yep
[09:51] <hayden> thanks
[09:51] <thoreauputic> bah ~/.xmms/Skins
[09:51] <hayden> lol
[09:51] <crimsun> _bryan: you need to pass umask [and possibly uid and gid]  parameters to mount
[09:51] <_bryan> :o
[09:51] <_bryan> *brain explodes*
[09:51] <membreya>     umask=0222      0       0
[09:52] <azriel0184> or access it as root...
[09:52] <_bryan> ok, im going to actually go read the whole manpage this time
[09:52] <_bryan> thanks for all the help!
[09:52] <thoreauputic> membreya: I'd be more permissive ( umask=002 )
[09:52] <waseem> hi im using a coolpix nikon 3200 digital camera, and when i connect it to my computer, it only lets me import photos and not any of the .mov files
[09:52] <thoreauputic> membreya: but then, as a bum, I'm allowed to be permissive...
[09:53] <waseem> is there anyway i can manually import the .mov files??
[09:53] <_bryan> so to unmount i do 'umount /dev/hdb1' right?
[09:53] <membreya> :P
[09:53] <waseem> anyone here that can help me
[09:54] <scizzo> _bryan: unmount the mountpoint
[09:54] <crimsun> _bryan: no, use the mountpoint, not the partition you mounted
[09:54] <azriel0184> either way works doesnt it?
[09:54] <_bryan> seems to have worked
[09:54] <waseem> does anyone here know how to import everything from a usbdisk onto my computer?
[09:54] <azriel0184> except umounting the /dev will umount all mounts of the /dev
[09:54] <hayden> how do i extract a .tar.gz in Terminal?
[09:55] <azriel0184> tar -xzf file.tar.gz
[09:55] <johns^> hayden: tar xzvf *tar.gz
[09:55] <_bryan> tar zxvf file.tar.gz
[09:55] <crimsun> yes, you _can_ use the device, but that's a _bad_ idea if you have union mounts or bound mounts.
[09:55] <membreya> hayden: with tar? :)
[09:55] <azriel0184> membreya, no, with your head ;)
[09:55] <membreya> :P
[09:55] <hyphen> how do i edit the linux shell to add a variable?
[09:56] <azriel0184> hyphen, VARIABLE_NAME="value"
[09:57] <hyphen> ah
[09:57] <azriel0184> eg. MEMBREYA="aussie"
[09:57] <waseem> does anyone here know how to import everything onto your computer from a usb?
[09:57] <hyphen> so i can just pop that into my terminal?  or is there an actual file i need to open?
[09:57] <azriel0184> waseem, mount the usb drive?
[09:57] <poxymox> hyphen: In Your  ~/.bashrc
[09:57] <azriel0184> hyphen, no
[09:57] <hyphen> ooh
[09:58] <azriel0184> well, either way
[09:58] <thoreauputic> azriel0184: MEMBREYA="sociopath" THOREAUPUTIC="bum"
[09:58] <Amaranth> ooh, ubuntu-calendar-march
[09:58] <azriel0184> thoreauputic, AZRIEL="awesome" ;)
[09:58] <azriel0184> or AZRIEL="humble"
[09:58] <thoreauputic> AZRIEL="modest"
[09:58] <Amaranth> AMARANTH=$DIETY
[09:59] <membreya> azriel="self righteous"
[09:59] <azriel0184> heh
[10:00] <Amaranth> actually, i think this name has something to do with a god in hindu
[10:00] <Amaranth> err, hindi
[10:00] <waseem> azriel0184: is there a command i could type that would just automatically import everything from my camera onto my computer?
[10:00] <azriel0184> me?
[10:00] <azriel0184> its hebrew actually
[10:00] <elvirolo> hi all!
[10:00] <Amaranth> no, my name
[10:00] <waseem> ...?
[10:01] <azriel0184> waseem, dont think so, but try mounting the usb device with mount, then cp /mount/point/*
[10:01] <waseem> the problem is it lets me import all the photos i want
[10:01] <waseem> but none of the movies
[10:01] <crimsun> (don't forget the destination)
[10:01] <azriel0184> well yea...
[10:02] <waseem> ok ive never mounted before since im so new to linux
[10:02] <waseem> do you think you could walk me through it?
[10:02] <azriel0184> mount /whatever/the/usb/is /media/usb; cp /media/usb/* ./
[10:02] <azriel0184> something like that
[10:03] <waseem> the name of the usb?
[10:03] <tranceConscious> what is the hoary distribution and where do i get it for amd64???
[10:03] <basse> so, are the background art of ubuntu downloadable anywhere? I'm doing one background and need as reference for coloring.
[10:03] <waseem> like this /media/usbdisk/dcim/?
[10:03] <elvirolo> i've got a strange prob with my hoary setup : after having chosen my DE in the login manager, an Xdialog window comes up (yeah, that ugly thing) and tells me : "Xsession: warning : unable to write to /tmp, X session may exit with an error" and then X.org just restarts ... I've (even) tried doing a chmod 777 on /tmp, and it still doesn't work ...
[10:03] <elvirolo> could anyone help me ?
[10:04] <thoreauputic> basse: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-calendar
[10:04] <elvirolo> tranceConscious: hoary is the developement version of Ubuntu
[10:04] <tranceConscious> elvirolo: where do I get it from?
[10:04] <basse> thoreauputic: sorry, I'm not actually running ubuntu myself :)
[10:05] <elvirolo> tranceConscious: depends, what are you running now ?
[10:05] <elvirolo> no ideas anyone ?
[10:05] <fsc> is hoary updates overwriting sounds settings? i'm a duck in water
[10:05] <membreya> tranceConscious: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-6/hoary-install-amd64.iso
[10:05] <thoreauputic> basse: ah.... why not? ;-)
[10:05] <tranceConscious> thanx
[10:05] <basse> thoreauputic: well, I'm debian user.. and I see no reason to switch really.. especially when ubuntu is based on this :)
[10:06] <membreya> ubuntu Pwns
[10:06] <thoreauputic> OK basse, I'll let you off then ;-)
[10:06] <membreya> as thoreauputic would say
[10:06] <elvirolo> is there an X log I could access somewhere ?
[10:06] <basse> thoreauputic: I am contributing a background tho .. :) if I find the current ones somewhere. the "holding hands" and if there are other.
[10:07] <membreya> elvirolo: /var/log/ Xorg.0.log
[10:07] <membreya> without the space between / and X :P
[10:07] <elvirolo> membreya: thx
[10:07] <elvirolo> :)
[10:08] <thoreauputic> basse: there are a few here >> http://www.brisgeek.com/etiquette/downloads.html
[10:08] <tranceConscious> membreya: is that the latest hoary release??
[10:08] <membreya> tranceConscious: yes it is
[10:08] <membreya> array 6
[10:08] <thoreauputic> basse: but not the "brown" ones (these are pre-GIMP, I guess)
[10:09] <tranceConscious> membreya: Any ideas about how to make my waveterminal 192L soundcard to work?
[10:09] <basse> ok.. but it's getting there.. atleast I see the poses.
[10:09] <basse> thanks.
[10:09] <membreya> no idea
[10:09] <thoreauputic> no worries
[10:09] <basse> i have gimp palette for ubuntu.. that I managed to find from wiki (man it's messy)
[10:10] <azriel0184> hey, what does does a usb drive show up as in /dev ?
[10:10] <tranceConscious> anyone knows how to make waveterminal 192L work ?????
[10:10] <crimsun> azriel0184: as a scsi mass storage, e.g. /dev/sda1
[10:10] <tranceConscious> and how to make my usb modem work?
[10:11] <_bryan> what would i use for 'gid' in mounting options
[10:11] <thoreauputic> _bryan: probably 1000 or your user name
[10:11] <elvirolo> strange, nothing seems wrong in the log ...
[10:11] <elvirolo> could anyone help me?
[10:11] <membreya> just use UID :P
[10:12] <_bryan> ok
[10:12] <membreya> don't listen to thoreauputic, he's becoming old and senile
[10:12] <johnnybezak> hey guys i'm getting an error with rhythmbox when i try to play songs it says "Could not pause playback" and "could not open resource for writing"
[10:12] <johnnybezak> anyone know what this could be
[10:12] <thoreauputic> membreya: and humourless :)
[10:12] <membreya> :P
[10:13] <crimsun> _bryan: getent passwd $USER|awk -F: '{ print $4 }'
[10:13] <crimsun> _bryan: whatever the output of that ^^ is
[10:13] <johnnybezak> i knew it would be a bad idea restarting :P
[10:14] <_bryan> i had my uid and umask, was just stuck on gid
[10:14] <_bryan> beautiful
[10:14] <_bryan> i got it :D
[10:14] <_bryan> finally
[10:14] <thoreauputic> crimsun: wow - that's a geeky way to get output you could eyeball from the 'groups' command :)
[10:15] <thoreauputic> but looks impressive, I admit ;)
[10:15] <crimsun> thoreauputic: granted, but getent is the portable method
[10:15] <thoreauputic> OK ;-)
[10:15] <_bryan> what's the right way to exit out of manpages?
[10:15] <johnnybezak> q
[10:15] <crimsun> 'q'
[10:15] <membreya> lol :P
[10:15] <johnnybezak> intuitive hey
[10:15] <johnnybezak> :P
[10:16] <thoreauputic> watch your 'p's and 'q's .....
[10:16] <thoreauputic> sorry... lame
[10:16] <_bryan> now i can stop ctrl-z'n out of them
[10:16] <johnnybezak> hehe certainly was
[10:16] <elvirolo> strange, my X server starts up, but i just doesn't load any DE ... i've looked thorouly through the log, and i still can't find the reason why...
[10:17] <membreya> http://www.wordorigins.org/wordorp.htm#mind%20your%20p's%20&
[10:17] <membreya> there you go thoreauputic :)
[10:17] <thoreauputic> looking :)
[10:17] <Quarupt> when running kubunti, will i still get a system tray icon when updates are availible?
[10:17] <Quarupt> Kubuntu*
[10:20] <_bryan> mmmmmm
[10:20] <_bryan> music
[10:20] <_bryan> finally
[10:20] <thoreauputic> membreya: very informative :)
[10:20] <_bryan> thanks to all
[10:20] <membreya> thoreauputic: I love that site :)
[10:20] <membreya> etymology always interests me :)
[10:20] <_bryan> you guys must get a million thanks a day
[10:20] <thoreauputic> membreya: yeah, I can see one could spend much time browsing it
[10:21] <_bryan> (or gals)
[10:21] <thoreauputic> _bryan: nah, mostly we get abused by people like membreya
[10:21] <membreya> :P
[10:22] <_bryan> so, am i stuck in 1024x786 if there's no linux drivers for my video?
[10:22] <membreya> thoreauputic: another good site is http://www.panikon.com/phurba/alteng/
[10:23] <_bryan> everything is onboard via Asus P4R800-VM
[10:23] <_bryan> ATI Radeon 9100 IGP
[10:25] <crimsun> _bryan: hoary has a version of the ATI drivers that support hardware accelerated 3D
[10:25] <crimsun> err, apologies.
[10:25] <crimsun> the release notes say only 2D support
[10:26] <crimsun> http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_8.10.19.html
[10:32] <f00f_bug> i seem to be having troubles with xmms... i cant seem to play any files, its says the sound card is blocked. the music player packaged with ubuntu works fine.. i was wondering if anyone had any suggestions
[10:32] <crimsun> f00f_bug: change the output plugin to esound
[10:33] <f00f_bug> crimsun: oh my, i could have swore i tried that! :]
[10:33] <thoreauputic> hypatia: someone with your nick comes here from Canada - travelling, or different person?
[10:33] <basse> f00f_bug: !
[10:34] <hypatia> thoreauputic: different person. Are you talking about hypa7ia?
[10:34] <thoreauputic> ah - I see
[10:35] <hypatia> thoreauputic: I've had this nick registered on freenode since 99 or so.
[10:35] <thoreauputic> yes, hypa7ia indeed
[10:35] <thoreauputic> OK
[10:35] <thoreauputic> :)
[10:35] <hypatia> I don't think I've been here at the same time as hypa7ia, but people mention her/him :)
[10:36] <thoreauputic> hypatia: her
[10:36] <daniels> there can only be one
[10:36] <hypatia> I would guess that, but some people occasionally refer to me as "him" as well, so I thought there was an outside possibility of there being a male version of this nick :)
[10:37] <waseem> what is the bash command to delete a file/directory?
[10:37] <hypatia> daniels: who is the fastest draw on nickserv kill, that's the question...
[10:37] <thoreauputic> hypatia: and neither of you are from Alexandria :)
[10:37] <hypatia> waseem: rm
[10:37] <waseem> thanks hypatia
[10:38] <hypatia> waseem: "rm -rf [directory name] " to delete a non-empty directory, but make sure you get [directory name]  right ;)
[10:38] <hypatia> thoreauputic: first one there wins.
[10:39] <waseem> hypatia: it does not prompt to me answer whether or not i am sure i want to remove a directory, but it does when i want to remove a file
[10:39] <waseem> any reason for this?
[10:39] <membreya> hypatia isn't it rm -Rf ?
[10:40] <waseem> -rf worked for me
[10:40] <tranceConscious> how do i upgrade warty to hoary with synaptic???
[10:41] <membreya> tranceConscious: edit your /etc/apt/sources.lst and make all refs to warty > hoary
[10:41] <hypatia> membreya: -r and -R both mean "recursive"
[10:42] <thoreauputic> waseem: possibly you have an alias for rm that makes it rm -i
[10:42] <membreya> force of habit to use -R :P
[10:42] <thoreauputic> waseem: type ` alias` to see
[10:42] <waseem> utic waseem: type ` alias` to see
[10:42] <waseem> alias cp='cp -i'
[10:42] <waseem> alias ls='ls --color=auto'
[10:42] <waseem> alias mv='mv -i'
[10:42] <waseem> alias rm='rm -i'
[10:42] <membreya> there u go :)
[10:43] <membreya> they're all interactive :)
[10:43] <waseem> hmm so what does it mean if i have an alias of rm -i
[10:43] <tranceConscious> membreya: I 've had this question a long time now. Does that upgrade the kernel as well or do I have to do the kernel upgrade manually???
[10:43] <waseem> like what made it an alias
[10:43] <thoreauputic> waseem: -i means it asks each time
[10:43] <hypatia> tranceConscious: In synaptics preferences, edit any of the http://...ubuntu.com lines that have warty in them
[10:43] <waseem> but it didnt ask when i wanted to delete the directory
[10:43] <hypatia> tranceConscious: change all occurences of 'warty' to 'hoary'
[10:44] <hypatia> tranceConscious: that's the same as editing /etc/apt/sources.list directly.
[10:44] <thoreauputic> waseem: no, because you used -rf and f "forces" it
[10:44] <waseem> oh ok
[10:44] <waseem> thanks
[10:44] <thoreauputic> waseem: -rf should be used with care
[10:44] <thoreauputic> for obvious reasons
[10:45] <membreya> rm -rf / :P
[10:45] <thoreauputic> membreya: don't even write it - someone might *do* it!
[10:45] <membreya> :(
[10:46] <Myrtti> indeed
[10:46] <Myrtti> /me slaps membreya around a bit with a good old Win98 install floppy pack
[10:46] <waseem> membreya: i typed in rm -rf / and everythings screwing up
[10:46] <tranceConscious> membreya: I 've had this question a long time now. Does that upgrade the kernel as well or do I have to do the kernel upgrade manually???
[10:46] <tranceConscious> membreya: I 've had this question a long time now. Does that upgrade the kernel as well or do I have to do the kernel upgrade manually???
[10:46] <waseem> oh my god
[10:46] <waseem> whats happening
[10:46] <hypatia> [danger]  "rm -rf ." and "rm -rf ~" are the more common lethal ones when you're not logged in as root...
[10:46] <thoreauputic> heh... I guess most people wouldn't even know what "six of the best" means any more
[10:47] <membreya> nope :P
[10:47] <helloyo> i sure don't
[10:47] <Myrtti> waseem: for real?
[10:47] <hypatia> tranceConscious: if you've got linux-ARCH (eg linux-686, linux-k7, linux-powerpc) installed, the kernel will upgrade automatically.
[10:47] <waseem> no
[10:47] <Myrtti> phew
[10:47] <waseem> but it would suck if i really did it, huh
[10:47] <thoreauputic> waseem: I've seen it happen...
[10:47] <membreya> can't find it in my etymology pages thoreauputic :P
[10:47] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: me too
[10:47] <waseem> that would really suck
[10:48] <thoreauputic> membreya: schoolmasters used to say it - six cuts of the cane
[10:48] <tranceConscious> hypatia: how do i check which linux-ARCH I 've got???
[10:48] <waseem> if you have everything backed up it wouldnt be too bad because installing ubuntu isnt very hard
[10:48] <membreya> ouch :P
[10:48] <thoreauputic> uname -m
[10:48] <Myrtti> a channel where I was on as a op had a rule that everyone that suggested doing rm -rf / to a newbie was banned for two weeks
[10:48] <thoreauputic> tranceConscious: uname -m was for you
[10:48] <waseem> this kind of reminds me, have any of you heard that aol_call that tells people over the phone to type something into the command line
[10:49] <waseem> that deletes everything on their computer
[10:49] <membreya> tranceConscious: cat /proc/version :)
[10:49] <tranceConscious> i686
[10:49] <hypatia> Myrtti: It'd be a violation of the Ubuntu community code of conduct I'd think (or at least, it doesn't sound considerate to me!)
[10:49] <tranceConscious> does that mean that when I change my sources and do the upgrade the kernel will upgrade automatically?
[10:49] <thoreauputic> tranceConscious: well, that's your answer
[10:50] <hypatia> tranceConscious: check if you've got the linux-686 package installed.
[10:50] <hypatia> tranceConscious: if so, yes. if not, install it and it will be upgraded in future.
[10:50] <waseem> is there any way to manually stop a command?
[10:50] <thoreauputic> waseem: ctrl -C
[10:50] <membreya> waseem: ctrl_c
[10:50] <waseem> like if i did accidently type in rm -rf /
[10:50] <waseem> ok
[10:50] <membreya> :P
[10:50] <membreya> :|
[10:50] <membreya> what have I done? :|
[10:50] <membreya> lol
[10:51] <membreya> hmmmm cat /proc/version gives gcc version 3.3.5 yet gcc -v gives gcc version 3.4.4
[10:51] <thoreauputic> waseem: by the time you typed that, half your /etc/dir would be gone, probably
[10:51] <waseem> haha ya...but its worth a shot i guess
[10:51] <hyphen> omg
[10:52] <hyphen> wine is giving me a headache
[10:52] <membreya> hyphen: don't drink so much then
[10:52] <membreya> or drink it with a glass of water on the side
[10:52] <thoreauputic> waseem: yes, and I've seen a debian woody install resurrected from exactly that scenario
[10:52] <hyphen> haha
[10:52] <hyphen> cant get this damn thing to work properly
[10:52] <hyphen> its making me sad in the pants
[10:52] <waseem> ive grown to love linux.
[10:53] <waseem> but i kinda hate it at the same time...
[10:53] <membreya> mwuahaha another foolish convertee
[10:53] <waseem> because a lot of the hardware i have doesnt work
[10:53] <membreya> waseem: why because it makes your head work ?
[10:53] <waseem> unless i type billions of commands
[10:53] <Myrtti> hypatia: perhaps so, but we didn't want people shouting out "good" advices like that. Other good advices that deserved the giver to be banned were "alt+f4", "which one won, /quit or /part?", "goatse", "tubgirl" and etc.
[10:53] <waseem> membreya: ya windows slowly makes everyone dumber and dumber
[10:53] <waseem> its a big chance
[10:53] <waseem> change*
[10:53] <Myrtti> perhaps not for weeks, but for some time
[10:53] <waseem> but some things are simply not compatible with linux
[10:53] <membreya> hmmm I don't think linux itself has billions and billions of lines of code
[10:54] <Myrtti> linux is the kernel, n'est pas?
[10:54] <hypatia> Myrtti: Um, I don't what you're trying to tell me.
[10:54] <hypatia> Myrtti: I'm not saying the banning would be against the code of conduct (although it might be).
[10:54] <waseem> haha welll when you first see linux and someone working with it, you start to think in the billions range
[10:54] <tranceConscious> I want to set up my ubuntu here in the office as a fileserver for my windows network. how do I create windows shares??? (I have all packages that say samba in synaptic)
[10:54] <membreya> wow Myrtti ...www.goatse.cx is a site I haven't heard in ages :P
[10:54] <hypatia> Myrtti: I'm saying that giving dumb/evil advice like "rm -rf /" would be!
[10:54] <Myrtti> yes
[10:55] <tranceConscious> and something else, is there a gui for configuring samba in x???
[10:55] <hyphen> i got another question
[10:55] <Myrtti> yet, some people seem to be childish enough to play around with something like that :->
[10:55] <membreya> tranceConscious: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#sambaserver
[10:55] <membreya> other thing you can use to admin it is webmin
[10:55] <hyphen> everytime i reboot, the nameservers i add get deleted
[10:55] <hyphen> how do i get them to stay?
[10:55] <waseem> the thing with linux is everything starts from scratch
[10:55] <thoreauputic> tranceConscious: loats of info on http://ubuntuguide.org
[10:55] <waseem> you need to isntall every driver
[10:55] <helloyo> i have a fresh warty warthog install, and openoffice doesn't work (setup.bin not found)
[10:56] <waseem> i still havent gotten my webcam and ipod to work
[10:56] <thoreauputic> waseem: no you don't!
[10:56] <membreya> waseem: good luck with your webcam :P
[10:56] <waseem> and plugins for movies in browsers are external
[10:56] <waseem> they dont play in the browser
[10:56] <Hannes_> iPod is quite easy
[10:56] <thoreauputic> waseem: I haven't needed to install *any* drivers on this machine
[10:56] <waseem> hannes: would you mind help me set it up?
[10:56] <azriel0184> i was at school once and we were setting up linux boxes and the teacher told me to remove linux from it and i thought right... "rm -rf /"
[10:57] <azriel0184> its interesting to watch
[10:57] <Hannes_> why to play media in a browser? It's ment to browse web pages, or?
[10:57] <aspro> ipod with usb cord is a sinch, plug it in then modify gtkpod to see the auto-mounted location
[10:57] <waseem> thoreauputic: the only thing that was simple was connecting my digital camera to my computer and importing photos
[10:57] <waseem> other than that its difficult
[10:57] <azriel0184> another good one is "rm -rfv /" [warning: dont do this]  :)
[10:58] <Hannes_> or just "rm -rf *" in /
[10:58] <thoreauputic> azriel0184: so you can watch the disaster unfold before your eyes?
[10:58] <waseem> aspro: i downloaded gtkpod, and connected my ipod, but the system did not recognize it
[10:58] <waseem> im gonna work with it tomorrow though
[10:58] <azriel0184> thoreauputic, why not?
[10:58] <aspro> usb cord?
[10:58] <aspro> or firewire
[10:58] <waseem> usb
[10:58] <aspro> firewire takes some hassle
[10:58] <membreya> waseem: that will teach you to be a yuppie with an iPod :P
[10:58] <waseem> membreya: haha i know but i love the thing
[10:58] <waseem> i did not get it because everyone else got one
[10:58] <waseem> well at least i like to believe that
[10:58] <thoreauputic> azriel0184: interesting in a twisted kind of way, yeah ... hehe
[10:59] <aspro> ihave gotten every one (excl. photo) since gen 2
[10:59] <stefanomasini> I just installed ubuntu. it didn't ask for a root password. how can I log in as root?
[10:59] <azriel0184> well i had the computer and some free time... so why not...
[10:59] <Hannes_> stefanomasini: sudo
[10:59] <thoreauputic> stefanomasini: you don't - you use sudo
[10:59] <azriel0184> i killed it half way through.... NOTHING worked... :P
[10:59] <stefanomasini> ouch
[10:59] <azriel0184> /bin is the first thing to go...
[10:59] <thoreauputic> stefanomasini: with your user password
[10:59] <stefanomasini> i didnt' try that...
[10:59] <Hannes_> thoreauputic: 1159.22 < Hannes_> stefanomasini: sudo
[10:59] <stefanomasini> thanks!
[11:00] <waseem> when i set up my root password i just typed in passwd
[11:00] <waseem> and then said su
[11:00] <membreya> hmmm has anyone here gotten qtparted working?
[11:00] <thoreauputic> Hannes_: yes, I'm a slow typist - your point?
[11:01] <waseem> hahah
[11:01] <Hannes_> thoreauputic: no, just tought you don't read anything
[11:02] <thoreauputic> Hannes_: no, I'm just not a touch typist
[11:02] <thoreauputic> Hannes_: while you were typing I was looking down
[11:02] <Myrtti> nitpickers
[11:02] <Myrtti> move on
[11:02] <waseem> haha wow an argument over something so little
[11:02] <topyli> heh
[11:03] <thoreauputic> hmm...  I want to add nicotine to the panel, but i cant locate the file
[11:03] <thoreauputic> can be...
[11:03] <waseem> i usually just type it in the command line
[11:03] <Myrtti> topyli: yes, quite good one. I've seen worse, lot worse. And you've probably tried those
[11:04] <Myrtti> if I guess correctly
[11:04] <waseem> any ideas on how i can add it to the panel?
[11:04] <topyli> Myrtti: i'm only kidding :)
[11:04] <Myrtti> topyli: perhaps, but there is a teeny weeny bit of truth in that
[11:05] <helloyo> could some-one help me with my fresh 4.10 install? openoffice won't work
[11:05] <Myrtti> no newbie bashing here
[11:05] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: well, only occasionally, anyway ;-)
[11:06] <mirak> why does ubuntu ppc on macintosh tries to install quik boot loader instead of Yaboot ?
[11:06] <topyli> Myrtti: flames do burst on the best of channels and newsgroups and mailing lists, even #ubuntu
[11:06] <topyli> natural
[11:06] <Myrtti> topyli: and some channels are nothing but flamebaits
[11:06] <Myrtti> try IRCNets #linux.fi
[11:06] <Jergosh_S> Suppose I'm writing a Linux basics course for teachers and I want to include screenshots from Ubuntu (login screen etc), since I recommend it. Do I have ask for permission (and whom)?
[11:06] <Myrtti> first class newbie bashing
[11:06] <azriel0184> Myrtti, sorry, but you will always get newbie bashing
[11:07] <thoreauputic> helloyo: have you tried typing, in  a terminal  ` oowriter` ?
[11:07] <topyli> Myrtti: i'm on #linux.fi right now. it doesn't have much to do with linux
[11:07] <azriel0184> and what sort of support do ou get if you know what you rar doing?
[11:07] <helloyo> thoreauputic, yep, it says setup.bin cannot be found, and it isn't there
[11:07] <thoreauputic> hmmm
[11:08] <helloyo> remove it, and download it?
[11:08] <thoreauputic> helloyo: same if you type ` openoffice` ?
[11:08] <Myrtti> well, as always, your mileage may vary
[11:09] <helloyo> thoreauputic, yeah
[11:09] <waseem> ok I have a  TI-89 Titanium, how do i transfer programs onto the calculator using the TI connect program?
[11:09] <topyli> Myrtti: #linux.fi is a bunch of old friends chatting away. if you bother them with a linux question, they will make an example out of you :)
[11:09] <thoreauputic> helloyo: try ` sudo dpkg-reconfigure openoffice.org `
[11:10] <helloyo> thoreauputic, still the same
[11:10] <waseem> does anyone here use the Texas Instruments calculators?
[11:10] <Myrtti> topyli: I'd leave that smiley off, or change it to :-/
[11:10] <helloyo> it only updated the dictionary
[11:11] <thoreauputic> helloyo: hmm ... sudo apt-get install --reinstall openoffice.org
[11:11] <Myrtti> well, it's a good thing I've found other ways of asking assistance with my computer problems
[11:11] <thoreauputic> helloyo: worth a shot..
[11:11] <topyli> ooh! there's an interesting note in the release notes for gnome-games 2.10: in iagno, "the AI player no longer cheats". and how i've wondered about my poor success ;)
[11:12] <helloyo> thoreauputic, yeah, will that download it?
[11:12] <thoreauputic> helloyo: no, just reinstall it from cache
[11:12] <Myrtti> ok, time to go to crocery store
[11:13] <thoreauputic> unless you've wiped the cache of course...
[11:13] <Myrtti> ta-ta, folks
[11:13] <thoreauputic> bye Myrtti
[11:13] <topyli> Myrtti: yeah, forget #linux.fi unless you joined the channel two years ago or something. its name is deceiving, it has (d)evolved into something completely different
[11:14] <waseem> Hi, Im using a TI-89 Titanium, what program do I use to transfer programs onto the calculator? Should I just download the TI connect software for mac?
[11:15] <eric> lu all
[11:17] <airox> hi eric
[11:17] <azriel0184> waseem, you might be able to force it to run on linux... dunno though
[11:17] <eric> they debian is not ubuntu
[11:17] <eric> i just want to use linux .. can i without fighting ?
[11:18] <aspro> ....
[11:18] <airox> waseem: http://tilp.info/ check that site out
[11:18] <airox> ?
[11:18] <thoreauputic> eric: you tried #debian, I'm guessing...
[11:18] <eric> :)
[11:18] <topyli> eric: using linux is easier if you don't fight it :)
[11:18] <thoreauputic> eric: you won't have to fight here
[11:18] <eric> ok so i'll stay here
[11:19] <thoreauputic> eric: if you're using ubuntu, yes, welcome
[11:20] <waseem> ok well i downloaded the mac program onto my computer
[11:20] <waseem> now how do i force it to work?
[11:20] <airox> ...
[11:20] <thoreauputic> waseem: give it a stern lecture?
[11:20] <topyli> waseem: is it source?
[11:21] <waseem> topyli: .dmg file
[11:21] <airox> waseem: http://www.ticalc.org/pub/unix/
[11:21] <waseem> thanks
[11:21] <topyli> waseem: you need source, mac binaries won't work
[11:22] <waseem> airox: there are a bunch of files, but no TI connect software
[11:22] <waseem> do you know where i can get that
[11:23] <eric> i think a lot of person install debian just to say " i use debian " not really to use it . so the question is what are they doing on debian. do they run programs ? :))
[11:23] <airox> waseem: http://tilp.info/about.html
[11:23] <membreya> eric: I run ubuntu because I prefer my machine to be stable :) ...and I have no real need for windows because I don't play most of the games
[11:23] <eric> they just wach the screen and say " yes it's debian"
[11:23] <airox> eric: I guess they run servers then ?
[11:24] <airox> :)
[11:24] <eric> maybe :)
[11:24] <helloyo> how do i change the resolution of gdm?
[11:24] <airox> helloyo: gdm or X ?
[11:24] <topyli> eric: there are lots of reasons to run debian. for example, it's the best distribution. :) ubuntu is just a nicer way to run up-to-date debian without the worries of unstable
[11:24] <eric> membreya : there is a lot of games on linux platform too
[11:24] <membreya> helloyo: System > Preferences > Screen resolution
[11:24] <helloyo> membreya, yeah, its fine in gnome, but gdm is set too high
[11:25] <membreya> eric: I like the little mindless games that linux has :)
[11:25] <membreya> edit your xorg.conf then ?
[11:25] <thoreauputic> membreya: that makes sense...
[11:25] <eric> i love Enemy territory i play it every nite
[11:25] <membreya> shush thoreauputic :)
[11:25] <eric> the best free online game i think
[11:25] <thoreauputic> membreya: ;-)
[11:26] <topyli> eric: ET is free?
[11:26] <airox> topyli: yep
[11:27] <eric> i don't know wich licence they use
[11:27] <topyli> hmm. i had no idea :)
[11:27] <eric> but you can download and play for free
[11:27] <eric> but it's not the right channel to talk about enemy territory :)
[11:27] <eric> just shut up
[11:28] <topyli> heh
[11:28] <waseem> airox: http://tilp.info/downloads.html there are two files i can download from
[11:28] <waseem> whcih one should i choose?
[11:28] <airox> waseem: I guess both.
[11:28] <waseem> how do i open the .tar.gz files?
[11:29] <azriel0184> waseem, either with file-roller or tar -xzf
[11:32] <waseem> waseem@waseem:~/Desktop$ ./configure tilp-6.77
[11:32] <waseem> bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
[11:33] <waseem> i dont understand, it should be finding tilp-6.77
[11:33] <thoreauputic> waseem: you need to cd to the directory created by the untarring
[11:33] <goldfish_> waseem: Did it download to the Desktop directory?
[11:33] <goldfish_> yes
[11:33] <waseem> yes
[11:33] <goldfish_> what he said
[11:33] <waseem> its in the Desktop
[11:33] <waseem> waseem@waseem:~/Desktop$ ls
[11:33] <waseem> 2002_mbs.pdf  javambs82802_17390.zip  tilp-6.77
[11:33] <waseem> JavaMBS       tilp-1.tar.gz           tilp.tar.gz
[11:33] <waseem> waseem@waseem:~/Desktop$
[11:33] <goldfish_> yah, ignore that
[11:33] <goldfish_> cd tilp-6.77
[11:34] <waseem> oh ok thanks goldfish
[11:34] <ceu> can I use firefox 1.0.1 from hoary on warty?
[11:34] <goldfish_> waseem: thoreauputic's suggestion :)
[11:34] <waseem> haha i mean, thanks toreauputic
[11:34] <ceu> warty-backports doesn't include the latest firefox version :-(
[11:34] <thoreauputic> waseem: team effort ;)
[11:35] <waseem> right.
[11:35] <jdub> ceu: you're better off upgrading to hoary
[11:35] <jdub> ceu: but if you've used backports on warty, then you're better off installing from scratch
[11:35] <eric> ceu : download the firefox web site version
[11:35] <airox> Yeah, just download the binary from mozilla.or
[11:35] <airox> g
[11:35] <waseem> 2. Type `make' to compile the package.
[11:35] <waseem> waseem@waseem:~/Desktop/tilp-6.77$ make
[11:35] <waseem> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[11:36] <waseem> what should i target?
[11:36] <thoreauputic> ceu: unless you are in the habit of clicking on "update your paypal details!" links, you probably don't need the latest security update for firefox
[11:36] <airox> heheh thoreauputic
[11:36] <airox> secunia test ? :)
[11:37] <ceu> thoreauputic: I don't like non having the latest security fix :-)
[11:37] <waseem> anyone know what i should type in?
[11:37] <thoreauputic> waseem: did ./configure run?
[11:37] <waseem> ya its done
[11:37] <ceu> is it difficult to obtain a deb package from firefox sources?
[11:38] <ceu> or it's already debianized?
[11:38] <eric> you dot not have to debianized it
[11:38] <thoreauputic> waseem: did you read the README or INSTALL files in the package? Might be a different installation command...
[11:38] <eric> just download the binary it will run perfectly
[11:38] <waseem>   2. Type `make' to compile the package.
[11:38] <waseem> thats what it says
[11:38] <waseem> and i did that
[11:39] <thoreauputic> odd.. it can't find a makefile
[11:39] <eric> we're talking about firefox not internet explorer
[11:39] <waseem> ah so i guess it wont install then?
[11:39] <waseem> wait
[11:39] <waseem> there is a Makefile.am
[11:39] <waseem> and a Makefile.in
[11:40] <thoreauputic> waseem: have you installed build-essential?
[11:40] <waseem> not that i know of
[11:40] <waseem> how do i do that
[11:40] <thoreauputic> waseem: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:40] <thoreauputic> waseem: do it
[11:41] <thoreauputic> waseem: gives you a sane build environment
[11:41] <waseem> its already been installed
[11:41] <thoreauputic> hmm
[11:42] <waseem> wait
[11:42] <waseem> do i need to be root?
[11:42] <waseem> to type make?
[11:42] <thoreauputic> no
[11:42] <waseem> Type "make", "make install" (requires the root privileges).
[11:42] <waseem> thats in the readme
[11:42] <waseem> not in the install file though
[11:42] <thoreauputic> for make install you need root privileges, but not to compile (make)
[11:42] <waseem> oh ok
[11:43] <waseem> so any ideas on what i cand o?
[11:43] <waseem> do*
[11:43] <thoreauputic> waseem: ./configure gave no errors?
[11:43] <waseem> let me read over it
[11:43] <thoreauputic> there should be a config.log or something there
[11:44] <waseem> No package 'ticables' found
[11:44] <waseem> that is the only thing that i found that seemed weird
[11:44] <waseem> but i dont think that should have an affect on the installation
[11:44] <thoreauputic> waseem: and it didn't end with "exiting with error 2 " or something similar?
[11:45] <waseem> thoreaputic: no
[11:46] <thoreauputic> waseem: well, I don't know why it hasn't found a usable makefile... odd indeed
[11:46] <waseem> well, maybe this might be the problem
[11:46] <waseem> there were two files i needed to download
[11:46] <waseem> i downloaded them both
[11:46] <waseem> but i didnt untar the other one
[11:47] <waseem> do i need to do that?
[11:47] <thoreauputic> waseem: possibly you are doing it in the wrong order, if this one depends on the other (guessing)
[11:48] <waseem> hmm well i tried to untar the other one
[11:48] <waseem> no errors
[11:48] <waseem> but there is no new folder on the Desktop
[11:48] <thoreauputic> waseem: from what you said, you don't yet have an actual Makefile
[11:49] <waseem> it has a Makefile.am and a Makefile.in
[11:49] <thoreauputic> waseem: is there a mess of files instead?
[11:49] <waseem> no
[11:49] <thoreauputic> waseem: yes but not the actual makefile
[11:49] <waseem> oh
[11:49] <thoreauputic> waseem: are ther any instructions on the website?
[11:50] <waseem> http://tilp.info/downloads.html
[11:50] <waseem> not any that i found
[11:50] <thoreauputic> waseem: otherwise it's time to hone your g00gle Sk1LLz
[11:51] <waseem> agh ok
[11:51] <waseem> so should i search for a makefile?
[11:51] <thoreauputic> no
[11:51] <waseem> or the program?
[11:51] <thoreauputic> search for other people who have tried the procedure
[11:51] <thoreauputic> e.g. in google groups
[11:51] <lunitik> waseem: any reason you aren't getting it via synaptic? 'sudo apt-get install tilp'  :/
[11:52] <lunitik> waseem: it says right on the site that its in the archive!
[11:52] <waseem> let me try that
[11:52] <thoreauputic> lunitik: argggh - I didn't know it was available! Thanks
[11:52] <waseem> omfg
[11:52] <waseem> lunitik: thanks, that saved me a lot of time
[11:53] <lunitik> waseem: funny how reading usually does do that...
[11:53] <waseem> haha dont make fun of me
[11:53] <waseem> im new to this
[11:53] <waseem> windows made everything too easy
[11:53] <airox> ;)
[11:53] <lunitik> thoreauputic: from the download site he just pasted:  'For Debian packages, they are on the CDs/Internet.'
[11:54] <lunitik> ie, in apt....
[11:54] <thoreauputic> lunitik: oh - so even more obvious then...
[11:54] <lunitik> thoreauputic: yeah...
[11:55] <lunitik> waseem: windows makes nothing easier... except maybe getting spyware and the such... you're just more used to it... trust me, when you get used to Debian, you will think Windows is braindead...
[11:55] <Blackice1963> lol
[11:55] <goldfish_> hehe
[11:56] <goldfish_> yes, windows will become your hate in life
[11:56] <goldfish_> And you will hate Bill Gates.
[11:56] <Blackice1963> thats right lol
[11:56] <Blackice1963> deb is the best
[11:58] <Kaww> www.otomotivshow.com   WEBSITE HOSTING RESELLER
[11:58] <daniels> sigh
[12:01] <eric> jesus_ is now known as jesus_detached : muhahah : are you really jesus muhahaha
[12:01] <eric> do you met him ?
[12:01] <eric> muhahah
[12:01] <topyli> jesus rules
[12:02] <snowblink> website design winners are up. I like Brad's. I wonder how long before they implement.
[12:03] <topyli> i assume the hoary installer won't autodetect serial devices like irda dongles?
[12:06] <FeliXDZ> Hello. I dist-upgraded to hoary and it appears I have lost my sound. Is this unusual?
[12:07] <waseem> ok im trying to transfer a program onto my calculator
[12:07] <Moiana> greetings!
[12:07] <waseem> but it doesnt recognize the .zip file
[12:08] <Moiana> is there a way to restore the functionality of pressing CTRL+ALT+[F1-F12]  to switch to the console virtual terminals?? I am using Ubuntu Hoary with x.org, but I cant figure how to switch to console now
[12:08] <HrdwrBoB> Moiana: it's the sam
[12:08] <HrdwrBoB> e
[12:08] <waseem> ok how do i make the computer recognize my ti89 so that tilp will work
[12:09] <Moiana> HrdwrBoB : I press CTRL+ALT+F1, it doesnt send me back to the console. I know of at least one other person who has had the same problems (he was running Ubuntu packages on top of a Debian system)
[12:10] <waseem> how do i unzip a file
[12:10] <HrdwrBoB> hrm ok
[12:10] <goldfish_> waseem: unzip
[12:10] <HrdwrBoB> have you looked at bug reports?
[12:10] <HrdwrBoB> there might be a big files
[12:10] <HrdwrBoB> bug filed
[12:10] <HrdwrBoB> if not, file one :)
[12:10] <Moiana> waseem: check if you have the "unzip" program by trying to execute it. If you don't, apt-get install unzip :)
[12:10] <waseem> goldfish_: ya i just tried that
[12:10] <goldfish_> work?
[12:10] <waseem> exit
[12:11] <biatche> i wanna give ubuntu a try... is it better to begin with hoary or warty?
[12:11] <netpuppy> does the default ubuntu amd64 kernel contain any patches?
[12:11] <thoreauputic> biatche: warty
[12:11] <netpuppy> or is it a plain vanilla?
[12:11] <waseem> hmm my computer does not seem to be recognizing my calculator
[12:12] <lunitik> netpuppy: yes, it contains a few patches etc.
[12:12] <waseem> do i need to mount it?
[12:12] <topyli> netpuppy: the ubuntu kernels have many patches
[12:12] <Moiana> HrdwrBoB : looking for bugtrack on homepage to do that :)
[12:12] <thoreauputic> biatche: hoary is still in development
[12:12] <goldfish_> biatche: hoary isnt stable until april, so maybe warty , but alot of ppl are running hoary with no problems already
[12:12] <netpuppy> topyli, where can I find them?
[12:12] <topyli> netpuppy: dunno, debian has a package called debian-patches or something, but i don't think ubuntu has one
[12:12] <waseem> ...
[12:12] <waseem> anyone please help
[12:13] <lunitik> waseem: most people aren't familier with tilp, I haven't even considered plugin a T1 calc to my computer... don't see the point really   :/
[12:13] <thoreauputic> waseem: look at the output of dmesg after you plug it in and see what it's recognised as
[12:13] <biatche> warty looks like it has lots of out of date stuff... hrm... but hrm, how does ubuntu maintain their package tree? they throw in latest stuff? well... for instance, gcc = 3.3.4 in warty... there gcc 3.4.3 for warty?
[12:14] <soulhack> the basic installation guide, from WinXP to Ubuntu, where can I find this? Is it this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2005-02-28.6671204877
[12:14] <topyli> biatche: no, warty has what warty has
[12:14] <waseem> thanks thoreauputik
[12:14] <lunitik> netpuppy: you should be able to find info in the docs in /usr/share/doc/kernel-image-`uname -r`/
[12:14] <thoreauputic> biatche: if you want the latest, hoary
[12:14] <biatche> is hoary buggy?
[12:14] <topyli> probaly :)
[12:15] <lunitik> biatche: not really.
[12:15] <goldfish_> soulhack: the installaton cd is fairly straight forward
[12:15] <biatche> ok hmm..
[12:15] <topyli> biatche: the "preview" of warty should be out this wednesday, so i guess it's in pretty good shape by then
[12:15] <biatche> u mean hoary
[12:15] <topyli> biatche: i mean hoary of course
[12:15] <goldfish_> heh
[12:15] <soulhack> i am completely new to linux, so I did have some troubles with getting stuff right to be honest.
[12:15] <lunitik> biatche: imo, its no more unstable than warty right now... most packages contained are getting stable upstream etc.
[12:15] <soulhack> I didnt find any guide on the cd
[12:16] <topyli> soulhack: all the docs are at the website
[12:16] <soulhack> yea, i am looking atm
[12:16] <johnnybezak> have any of you guys tried out beagle on ubuntu?
[12:17] <goldfish_> soulhack: oh right, sorry
[12:17] <lunitik> soulhack: 'throw in the cd, restart, follow instruction, make custom partitioning to account for windows'...
[12:17] <topyli> windows who?
[12:17] <lunitik> johnnybezak: I have successfully avoided Mono so far...
[12:17] <lunitik> topyli: shutup
[12:17] <soulhack> okay, when i dl ubuntu- i rar the stuff into a folder and burn it on disk, right?  I have that problem too  :P
[12:19] <thoreauputic> soulhack: "burn as image" or similar
[12:19] <soulhack> ah, my winRAR is set to open ISO-Files when i click them- never realized it was an ISO-file, that helps a lot
[12:20] <topyli> hmm. winrar is developing an intelligence that scares me :)
[12:20] <error_29> thoreauputic - re burning images -- do you happen to know if choosing "disc-at-once" vs "track-at-once" makes a difference?
[12:20] <soulhack> well, windows have this little thing that removes filendings unless enabled ;)
[12:20] <lunitik> error_29: not when there is only one file...
[12:20] <error_29> reason I ask is, while ubuntu installs fine from my discs, other debian distros have not, on my laptop
[12:21] <topyli> error_29: might be the smart installer
[12:21] <thoreauputic> soulhack: windows has many "little things" of that helpful kind </sarcasm>
[12:21] <soulhack> haha
[12:22] <soulhack> how big partition do i need for Ubuntu?
[12:22] <lunitik> soulhack: 1.7 gigs
[12:22] <StoffBox-Steve> Hi :D
[12:22] <lunitik> StoffBox-Steve: hi
[12:22] <error_29> topyli, smart installer?
[12:22] <soulhack> okay, 7gb (my old windows partition) is overkill?
[12:22] <lunitik> soulhack: recommend at least 3 though
[12:22] <thoreauputic> soulhack: give yourself a few gigs extra...
[12:22] <lunitik> soulhack: else there is no room for play, thats no good  :P
[12:22] <topyli> soulhack: my HUGE installation is 4.6G but the default install should fit in 2 or so
[12:22] <lunitik> soulhack: sorta... would be ok though
[12:23] <thoreauputic> soulhack: 7gig is OK
[12:23] <soulhack> i want play, so i'll go with my old 7gig
[12:23] <error_29> 7 gigs!
[12:23] <soulhack> i've got plenty!
[12:23] <FeliXDZ> Since dist-upgrading to hoary I have been listening to the sound of silence...
[12:23] <thoreauputic> soulhack: 10 or 15 would be nicer
[12:23] <topyli> error_29: perhaps the good folks at ubuntu have injected extra smartness to debian-installer
[12:23] <lunitik> topyli: its exactly 1.7 gigs.... trust me... its one of the first things I check out with new distro's... ;P
[12:23] <topyli> ok :)
[12:23] <lunitik> topyli: not really... they hide like half the options, but thats about it...
[12:24] <lunitik> FeliXDZ: try restarting  :/
[12:24] <soulhack> i should remove windows before installing Ubuntu, right?
[12:24] <topyli> well then it might indeed be the cd's
[12:24] <FeliXDZ> Not the Simon and Garfunkel version but rather no noise comes out my speakers. They worked well in Warty.
[12:24] <error_29> (me, I used my extra drive space to set up extra partitions so I could "reinstall" ubuntu without removing what I've got.  5 gigs each seems ok for now)
[12:24] <lunitik> soulhack: nah... no need
[12:24] <waseem> Ok, in the FAQ for tilp, it shows me what to do for the following question i have
[12:24] <topyli> soulhack: if you don't need windows, the installer will remove it
[12:24] <waseem> Q: Ok, tilp works now, but I get this error when I try to access the calc :
[12:24] <FeliXDZ> lunitik, Do you mean rebooting or something else?
[12:24] <soulhack> ah, awesome.
[12:24] <waseem> Msg: Timeout occured while reading to the device.
[12:24] <waseem> Cause: Check that your link cable is plugged and/or the calculator is ready.
[12:24] <waseem> System: Permission denied (errno = 13)
[12:24] <waseem> A: Check nodes permissions (/dev/ttySx).
[12:25] <thoreauputic> soulhack: you won't get any argument about removing windows here...
[12:25] <waseem> there is not directory for that though
[12:25] <lunitik> FeliXDZ: yes... thats what I mean... it seems to fix most sound issues... as annoying as it may be  :/
[12:25] <waseem> any ideas?
[12:25] <soulhack> i want windows as far gone as possible
[12:25] <soulhack> it's like pop-music
[12:25] <soulhack> once you get fed up
[12:25] <soulhack> you never wanna hear it again
[12:26] <waseem> ...can any of you guys help with my problem?
[12:26] <StoffBox-Steve> ;) soulhack
[12:26] <FeliXDZ> I have been checking the forums.It seems to be a common problem. lunitik I have already rebooted more than once.
[12:26] <error_29> I see, topyli... but weirdly, this only happens with my laptop.  Maybe a flaw with my cd-rom; other debian stuff insists the drive isn't mounted, even though it's been installing from that drive all along
[12:26] <topyli> soulhack: well, just install ubuntu and tell it to use all your space
[12:26] <lunitik> soulhack: the installer, by default I think, will get rid of it...
[12:26] <soulhack> neato
[12:27] <topyli> error_29: your cd uses a module that most installers don't load, or the install kernels don't have
[12:27] <waseem> blah ill figure out the problem tomorrow night
[12:27] <lunitik> FeliXDZ: shitty... your in audio group? ('groups' to check) ... module is loaded? ('lsmod | grep snd' to check)
[12:27] <waseem> good night people
[12:27] <topyli> maube
[12:27] <lunitik> you're*
[12:27] <thoreauputic> waseem: if all else fails, see if there's a man page ;)
[12:28] <topyli> thoreauputic: man pages are the very last resort? ;)
[12:28] <thoreauputic> topyli: there was an ironic element in my suggestion...  ;-)
[12:28] <FeliXDZ> I'll check those. thanks for the tips lunitik .
[12:28] <topyli> yah
[12:28] <error_29> ah hah-- thanks topyli.  So basically, if I hadn't sheerly by accident, tried ubuntu first on this laptop, I wouldn't have gotten linux on here at all (no floppy)