[16:05] <benjaoming> Can Launchpad be made to build for other target distributions and series, like raspbian + jessie?
[16:19] <rbasak> No. I believe there's a bug on that somewhere.
[16:19] <rbasak> bug 188564 perhaps
[16:19] <ubot5`> bug 188564 in Launchpad itself "Build also packages for Debian in PPA's" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188564


[00:05] <ScottL> ohhhh, wiki.ubuntu.com can be so slow and then it gives you an error sometimes, drives me nuts at times

[00:10] <ScottL> replace "Spec" with whatever category name we want
[00:10] <ScottL> ----
[00:10] <ScottL> CategorySpec
[00:10] <ScottL> replace "Spec" again
[00:10] <ScottL> the first line should go on the "index" page where we want the list of wiki pages that match the category
[00:10] <ScottL> place the last two lines on each individual pages that we wish to include in the category
[00:19] <astraljava> ScottL: I don't think eating especially rabbit poop is that unheard of.
[00:19] <astraljava> Well, for dogs, anyway. :D
[00:34] <rlameiro> ScottL: nice interview :D
[00:38] <ScottL> rlameiro, thank you :)
[00:38] <ScottL> rlameiro, in our email did you mean that you do not have an instance of ubuntu studio installed?
[00:39] <rlameiro> ScottL: i have, but in 11.10 the appearence will be diferent...
[00:41] <ScottL> true, but for tutorial on how to use jack, qjackctl, ardour, or qtractor i don't think it will matter too much
[00:41] <ScottL> i hope
[00:43] <rlameiro> Yeap. that was i thinked after reading your mail :D
[00:43] <rlameiro> the rest we can leave for later :D
[04:37] <iHaku> I like this idea of the new interface with AWN.   I look forward to testing it.
[04:38] <holstein> yeah, im stoked about XFCE
[04:47] <iHaku> If I get this right, the theme will be slightly updated with this new release.  That I look forward to as well.
[04:48] <holstein> yeah, not crazy different, but different
[05:00] <iHaku> Is there any way I can help?  I can test, but I would be willing to volunteer for more.
[05:00] <holstein> iHaku: sure
[05:00] <holstein> are you on the mailing list?
[05:01] <iHaku> I'll have to sign up for it.
[05:01] <holstein> iHaku: please do
[05:01] <holstein> and feel free to frequent here
[05:01] <holstein> iHaku: do you have coding experience?
[05:02] <iHaku> Unfortunately no.
[05:02] <holstein> iHaku: no worries
[05:02] <holstein> theres wiki's and testing
[05:02] <holstein> lots to do really
[05:02] <holstein> iHaku: can you just idle here?
[05:02] <iHaku> I can.  It's a desktop.
[05:03] <holstein> ScottL is the team lead
[05:03] <holstein> iHaku:  welcome :)
[05:03] <holstein> iHaku: ive started idling over in #xubuntu-devel too
[05:04] <holstein> charlie-tca is very involved over there
[05:04] <iHaku> holstein: Thank you.  I'll idle there as well.
[05:04] <iHaku> I'm familiar with charlie-tca.
[05:04] <holstein> iHaku: you can always hang and answer questions in #ubuntustudio too if you want
[05:04] <holstein> also, #opensourcemusicians is just a nice place to be, if you're interested
[05:06] <holstein> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
[05:06] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings
[05:06] <holstein> ^ i need to update the archive there
[05:08] <holstein> iHaku: im off for the nite
[05:08] <holstein> GN
[05:08] <iHaku> holstein: Okay, thanks for the help.
[14:22] <scott-work> good morning :)
[15:54] <holstein> past meeting logs https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2011June5
[16:20] <holstein> scott-work: HEY, i should have asked you first...
[16:20] <holstein> i went ahead and reserved -meeting for us regularly
[16:20] <holstein> i think that worked out well, and i agree that it gives us a presence
[16:20] <scott-work> holstein: oh yeah :)
[16:20] <holstein> anyways, i should have ran it by you first... i was just knocking some things out
[16:21] <holstein> like logs and whatever...
[16:21] <scott-work> no, no...take it and run man!
[16:21] <scott-work> ;)
[16:22] <holstein> im not really changing anything else much
[16:22] <holstein> maybe formatting a bit
[16:22] <holstein> the old agenda page will be the agenda/log page
[16:22] <holstein> no reason to make a new one
[16:22] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings
[16:22] <holstein> ^ thats where i'll link to in the calendar for the fridge
[16:23] <holstein> and try and remember to keep that area cleaned up
[16:23] <holstein> i think that means its only 2 wik pages to edit per meeting
[16:23] <scott-work> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2011June5  that looks good :)
[16:24] <holstein> scott-work: thanks
[16:24] <holstein> i wish we had mootbot-uk though
[16:24] <scott-work> i've been thinking that maybe we should have a meeting every two weeks instead of every four weeks
[16:24] <holstein> the output is formatted SO nice automagically
[16:24] <holstein> scott-work: we can up the meetings if you want
[16:25] <holstein> i was thinking/hoping there would be unoffical meetings here and there
[16:25] <holstein> as needed
[16:25] <holstein> like the web guys getting together
[16:27] <scott-work> that might be better
[16:27] <scott-work> the xubuntu guys have a meeting every week
[16:27] <holstein> yeah
[16:27] <scott-work> which is good for such things as development and bugs
[16:27] <holstein> scott-work: growing pains are welcome here :)
[16:27] <scott-work> but we dont' really do too much with bugs at this point
[16:27] <scott-work> at the other stuff could happen as needed unofficially
[16:28] <holstein> keeping it loose and unofficial would mean the guys that really need to meet can just meet whenever
[16:28] <holstein> if we end up finding another time though
[16:29] <holstein> like a weekday evening for kokito or whatever
[16:29] <holstein> AH... gotta run.. BBL
[16:34] <scott-work> holstein: kokito will not be working with us anymore, he is taking a job in japan and leaving practically immediately
[16:34] <scott-work> kokito = jorege
[16:35] <scott-work> er, jorge
[16:35] <holstein> my thing got moved..
[16:36] <holstein> scott-work: that sux
[16:36] <scott-work> yeah
[16:36] <holstein> we had some great momentum for the site going on there
[16:36] <scott-work> i said that in the meeting i thought
[16:36] <scott-work> his work can be used as is
[16:36] <scott-work> it's already pretty functional
[16:36] <scott-work> we just need to get it in place and then add stuff to it
[16:36] <holstein> i think its bumpin
[16:36] <holstein> looked great
[16:37] <holstein> scott-work: are you thinking about putting it up soon?
[16:38] <scott-work> this week i want to flesh out more thoughts about the website...
[16:38] <scott-work> what should go on there
[16:38] <scott-work> do you host videos or use youtube?
[16:39] <scott-work> utilize wiki.ubuntu.com and help.ubuntu.com for most of our information or on the website?
[16:39] <scott-work> and pretty soon then we could start moving it into the right direction
[16:39] <scott-work> we need to also see about getting someone else access to it
[16:39] <scott-work> only me and eric is not enough in my opinion
[16:39] <scott-work> and it would be nice for the other person to have drupal experience, i've got only very, very little and eric has a moderate amount i believe
[16:41] <holstein> i think using youtube is fine
[16:41] <holstein> theres so much related content to link to and get linked from
[16:43] <scott-work> i've been thinking about how we could draw new people into ubuntu studio and i think the website should be the sharp point of that effort
[16:44] <scott-work> my opinion is that the website would also be nice for experienced users for certain tasks, like getting download links
[16:44] <scott-work> having youtube tutorials on the website would be good as well
[16:44] <scott-work> maybe even some news posts about new applications or plugins
[16:44] <scott-work> or even news posts about how to use specific plugins
[16:44] <holstein> a rolling blog type area
[16:45] <scott-work> right
[16:45] <scott-work> even just to give hints, like...using a plugin for something not expected
[16:45] <scott-work> that would be something that doesn't really fit a tutorial type situation, it's just information
[16:45] <holstein> also, like the OSMP guys talked about in the beginning
[16:46] <holstein> getting involved and linking to LAU or whatever
[16:46] <holstein> having an ubuntustudio section at an existing forum
[16:46] <holstein> i can see andvantages and disadvantages
[16:47] <holstein> *linuxmusicans
[16:48] <holstein> exhibit A
[16:48] <holstein> http://www.linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7142
[16:48] <holstein> im am messaging priavately with jaaxx
[16:49] <holstein> he used to work on the RT kernel with PClinuxOS (i think)
[16:55] <scott-work> oh WOW, that's pretty cool
[16:56] <holstein> scott-work: we'll see
[16:56] <holstein> im trying to take a very friendly 'put up or shut up' approach
[16:56] <holstein> it would be nice to attract someone like that though
[16:57] <holstein> that could be doing backports
[16:57] <holstein> and actually code maintanence or whatever
[17:00] <scott-work> but unfortunately i think that some of the things they are bitching about aren't things that you or i or he can fix, if ubuntu is dorking with moving stuff...*shrug*
[17:00] <scott-work> but yes, it would be nice to encourage people to help with backports
[17:00] <holstein> yeah, but as we get bigger, we can influence that
[17:00] <scott-work> that would be soooo nice actually ;)
[17:00] <holstein> i think
[17:00] <jussi> one quick wuestion, just noted on the list people talking about gdm - we are going to still use that even though ubuntu is moving to lightdm?
[17:00] <scott-work> good point
[17:00] <scott-work> jussi: no, we are moving to lightdm
[17:01] <scott-work> err, "good point" was pointed at holstein
[17:01] <jussi> right, someone might want to point that out to the guy who was tlaking about gdm on the list
[17:01] <jussi> oh bah
[17:01] <jussi> wrong list :(
[17:02]  * jussi sighs and goes back to sleep
[17:02] <holstein> hehe
[17:03] <jussi> seems I dont read very well today
[17:04] <scott-work> mentioning the website again, it would be nice to also include a section where we can list artists who use ubuntu studio
[17:04]  * scott-work works up a backstory to this....
[17:05] <holstein> a 'made with ubuntustudio' kind of thing
[17:05] <scott-work> i was listening to ratholeradio, which is dan lynch's (of linux outlaws fame) side thing and he interviewed a guy whose been wrirting music and selling records who did it with ubuntu studio
[17:05] <scott-work> i thought that was brilliant and would be a great selling point for ubuntu studio
[17:06] <scott-work> holstein: exactly, but take it a bit further
[17:06] <scott-work> you can check out some of his stuff:  http://music.conniptions.org/
[17:06] <scott-work> it's pretty well produced and sounds good
[17:07] <scott-work> i think it relfects nicely on what ubuntu studio is capable of
[17:07] <scott-work> and i think _that_ (not him in particular, but that people can use it to do stuff well) would be a great selling point
[17:07] <scott-work> "it's not a toy for your bedroom...you can really do stuff with this!"
[17:08] <holstein> bandcamp is great too
[17:09] <holstein> BBL..
[17:10] <scott-work> i think bandcamp is great too
[17:11] <scott-work> but i'm just thinking that if accumulating a portfolio of good/decent artists (from a production perspective, not if we like their music) that use ubuntu studio would be a substantive and great PR move
[18:04] <ailo> scott-work, I think what I would like to do is to just start working on parts of the documentation.
[18:08] <ailo> scott-work, should we just make a list of topics that we are working on, so we can see who is working on what?
[18:14] <scott-work> ailo:  we could or if you clearly have a particular field you want to attend then i can maintain a different focus
[18:14] <scott-work> ailo: also i was hoping to discuss some more basic structure with you
[18:15] <scott-work> namely the landing page and how to organize it from there
[18:15] <scott-work> my opinion was that the landing page would be pretty general with some very large headings (scope-wise) which would then lead to dedicated pages for particulars topics
[18:16] <scott-work> for example, the landing page would explain that this document is to help users learn and use ubuntu studio
[18:16] <ailo> I'm not fully sure about what the material will contain at this point, and I am sure new ideas will pop up during the process
[18:16] <scott-work> then list some topics with generalized descriptions of what is included wiht each topic
[18:17] <scott-work> like intro to ubuntu studio, installing ubuntu studio, audio tasks, video tasks, and graphical tasks
[18:17] <scott-work> my larger thought was that if we can create these first pages then we can link them properly to help organize and not "loose" any pages
[18:17] <ailo> Starting from the top level first might be inspirational, but I'd like to start investigating what material we need and what it will contain.
[18:18] <scott-work> sure, sure
[18:18] <scott-work> i think we basically need everything at this point, i would say that we might spend more time trying to figure out what we can reuse from previous work
[18:19] <scott-work> i'm guessing that you would want to focus on the kernel and audio work?
[18:20] <ailo> I think I can probably work on anything, but sure. Audio / hardware.. that sort of stuff
[18:21] <ailo> I think I would like to start with the hardware bit
[18:21] <ailo> And installing
[18:22] <ailo> scott-work, I don't mind if you do all the top level stuff. I'm happy to give you input of course
[18:23] <ailo> So, I would like to do one thing at the time. For each topic I'll look through what has already been done.
[18:23] <ailo> And try to resuse stuff
[18:23] <ailo> reuse*
[18:26] <scott-work> that sounds good
[18:26] <scott-work> hopefully i will have some pages for you to hang your stuff onto
[18:26] <scott-work> by this weekend
[18:30] <ailo> I'll start working on hardware compatibility, minimum requirements and that sort of thing. And I'll try to finish that by this weekend
[18:30] <ailo> That should be a good start
[18:31] <ailo> scott-work, Have you thought more about video tutorials? I haven't investigated what already exists
[18:58] <scott-work> i think we shoudl definetely try to incorporate video tutorials
[18:58] <scott-work> ailo^^^
[18:58] <scott-work> rlameiro was talking about this as well, although i don't know if he wants to find them or make them
[19:01] <scott-work> a hardware section could also discuss the difference between usb/pci/firewire audio interfaces
[19:01] <scott-work> nothing too in depth, perhaps just some basic concepts and limitations
[19:04] <scott-work> i've just come back from brainstorming for a user documentation landing page and i hope to get something to you in the next few days
[19:13] <ailo> I will try to gather all relevant material on the hardware bit, both audio and video
[19:13] <ailo> pci, usb and firewire
[19:14] <ailo> Once I have everything, I'll try to make it as simple as possible
[21:53] <scott-work> ailo: one other thing i would like for us to do is to notate any pages that might be deprecated
[21:53] <scott-work> i suppose we could either just notate a certain section of the page or might even put a big note at the top of the page saying that it is deprecated
[21:53] <scott-work> and if we are removing a link to that page we might even consider linking it from a deprecated link page
[21:55] <scott-work> found it:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Deprecated%20Ubuntu%20Studio%20Pages
[21:55] <scott-work> just for archiving and so that those pages don't get "orphaned"
[21:55] <scott-work> but this may be crazy talk and unnecessary
[22:42] <falktx> hi there
[22:43] <scott-work> falktx: there was something super important that i wanted to tell you but i forgot :(
[22:43] <scott-work> probably that i'm glad your on the team and helping :)
[22:43] <falktx> scott-work: oh, that's a shame
[23:04] <ailo> scott-work, Seems like a smart idea to back everything up.
[23:11] <scott-work> seriously though falktx, i really am glad you are helping us :D
[23:11] <falktx> scott-work: ok, I though I already did
[23:12] <falktx> scott-work: did the menu thing got pushed?
[23:12] <scott-work> falktx: not yet, i want to wait until we see what cory comes up with first
[23:12] <falktx> scott-work: what is cory working on?
[23:13] <scott-work> the xfce changes and the UI changes
[23:13] <falktx> nice
[23:15] <scott-work> but before we push something to the bzr branch i would like to make sure it fits with where we are going
[23:15] <scott-work> and that it is the right change in that context
[23:16] <scott-work> ailo: this is a very, very rough idea of what i was thinking about the user documentation landing page, it's ugly right now but shows how the form could look: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Sandbox
[23:17] <scott-work> forget the ugly choice of colors, i just wanted something that had contrast
[23:17] <scott-work> basically there's a header at top, a main body on the left/middle, and then a side bar on the right
[23:17] <scott-work> rounding corners, creating space between the sections for separation can come later
[23:17] <falktx> scott-work: I did not add any of my custom stuff to it, I just adapted the old menu code to be more DE compliant, just like mine
[23:18] <scott-work> falktx: oh, that patch didn't do anything about the menu structure?
[23:18] <falktx> scott-work: nope
[23:18] <scott-work> falktx: aw shit, then we should probably get that pushed then :)
[23:18] <falktx> scott-work: the only thing it changes (fixes) is kde4-rosegarden and kde4-kdenlive
[23:19] <falktx> I though we should use "kde4/app" but it's "kde4-app" after all
[23:19] <scott-work> i'll see about that by this weekend then
[23:19] <falktx> scott-work: please do
[23:19]  * scott-work has to go and pickup kids
[23:19] <ailo> scott-work, I would like to change some things. Hardware compatibility should be a subtopic of installation I think.
[23:19] <falktx> scott-work: getting this pushed means my work is actually useful and being used
[23:19] <scott-work> ailo: that's cool, not a problem, just fleshing it out and playing with it
[23:19] <ailo> scott-work, Sure
[23:20] <scott-work> falktx: your work is already usefull and being used by loads of people with kxstudio, my man ;)
[23:20] <falktx> I hope so
[23:20] <scott-work> falktx: OH
[23:20] <scott-work> i remember now
[23:20] <falktx> maybe I should check some stats...
[23:20] <falktx> ?
[23:20] <scott-work> i pimped you out in my interview with the linux outlaws
[23:20] <falktx> really?
[23:21] <falktx> I haven't heard it yet
[23:21] <falktx> I was watching some LAC videos last night instead...
[23:21] <scott-work> so now i've said that kxstudio was brilliant in my letter to LInux Format magazine (which they published) and now i mentioned you on LO :)
[23:21] <scott-work> i'll get you a link tomorrow or later tonight
[23:21] <scott-work> but i really ahve to go
[23:22] <falktx> LO ?
[23:33] <astraljava> Linux Outlaws?
[23:34] <falktx> oh
[23:34] <falktx> damn, sometimes I feel slow...
[23:35] <astraljava> falktx: Lucky for you. I feel that most all the time.
[23:35] <falktx> astraljava: I don't feel slow cause I have other people to compare me too... not you, of course, other people...
[23:36] <mjcpk> Hi Scott


[02:19] <exarkun> Why does this checkout take so long?  http://buildbot.twistedmatrix.com/builders/hardy32-py2.5-select/builds/795/steps/bzr/logs/stdio
[02:26] <lifeless> exarkun: this seems relevant Upgrade to svn 1.5 or higher for faster retrieving of revision properties.
[02:26] <lifeless> (it has the word 'faster' in it
[02:27] <lifeless> exarkun: also, what bzr version are you using?
[02:28] <exarkun> bzr 2.3.4
[02:29] <exarkun> It's sort of hard to get a newer version of svn on hardy, but I guess it's possible.  If someone can confirm that that will definitely speed it up, then it'll be worthwhile for me to pursue it.  I'd rather not chase any wild geese though.
[02:29] <lifeless> I am not sure when the 'copy all tags' behaviour came in
[02:29] <exarkun> It's not totally obvious to me that "faster retrieving of revision properties" translates to "don't issue a request to the svn server for every revision in the branch history"
[02:30] <lifeless> It may be relevant.
[02:31] <exarkun> Hmm
[02:31] <exarkun> Okay, there's a svn ppa, so I guess I should just try that.
[02:31] <jelmer> exarkun: with svn 1.5 it will indeed avoid a single request per revision
[02:31] <jelmer> per revision in the repository, that is
[02:31] <exarkun> jelmer: Thanks
[02:32] <jelmer> exarkun: you'll also need a new python-subvertpy that was built against the newer libsvn
[02:32] <exarkun> Hummmmmm
[02:33] <exarkun> python-subvertpy is in the bzr ppa, right?  I'm using that already.
[02:33] <exarkun> is that good enough?
[02:33] <jelmer> exarkun: yes, but the python-subvertpy in the bzr ppa for hardy was built against the hardy libsvn
[02:34] <jelmer> so even if you install a new libsvn, it'll only use the svn 1.4 API
[02:34] <exarkun> :(
[02:34] <exarkun> So I have to compile something.
[02:34] <jelmer> an alternative would be to get libsvn backported into the bzr ppa for hardy
[02:34] <jelmer> I'm not sure how hard/easy that would be
[02:35] <exarkun> For now I think it will be easiest for me to switch back to svn in this configuration.
[02:35] <jelmer> (fwiw, that checkout seems reasonably fast with svn 1.7, bzr 2.4, bzr-svn trunk)
[05:34] <Noldorin> jelmer, hi. let me know when youre around :-)
[06:00] <exarkun> How should I fast-export this project?  http://twistedmatrix.com/trac/browser/sandbox/exarkun/merit/
[06:02] <exarkun> I did mange to get trunk using `bzr fast-export-from-svn Twisted.repo/ --trunk-path=/sandbox/exarkun/merit/trunk --branches-path=/sandbox/exarkun/merit/branches merit`, but how do I get the branches?
[07:30] <Noldorin_> hey jelmer, you around yet?
[08:15] <Anteru> Hi
[14:43] <exarkun> How should I fast-export this project?  http://twistedmatrix.com/trac/browser/sandbox/exarkun/merit/
[14:43] <exarkun> I did manage to get trunk using `bzr fast-export-from-svn Twisted.repo/ --trunk-path=/sandbox/exarkun/merit/trunk --branches-path=/sandbox/exarkun/merit/branches merit`, but how do I get the branches?
[19:08] <Noldorin> hi jelmer
[19:09] <glyph> exarkun: "When a shared repository is created or found at the destination, branches are created inside it. In the simple case of a single branch (refs/heads/master) inside the input file, the branch is project.bzr/trunk."
[19:09] <glyph> http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/plugins/en/fastimport-plugin.html
[19:10] <glyph> exarkun: I have obviously never tried this, but that sounds to me like you should have gotten a '.fi' file at some point
[19:10] <exarkun> too late
[19:10] <exarkun> jonathanj pointed out that the feature is unimplemented
[19:10] <exarkun> (but documented as though it is implemented)
[19:11] <glyph> man I'm glad we have a policy of never writing documentation for Twisted
[19:11] <glyph> that must be embarrassing
[19:11] <exarkun> I'm just going to use bzr branch and fix it up
[19:19] <glyph> exarkun: fix it up how?
[19:19] <exarkun> rebasing maybe?  or maybe that wasn't actually necessary, but I did it already anyway.
[19:25] <maxb> Generally I'd try to use bzr-svn whereever possible for bzr/svn conversions
[19:25] <maxb> It seems to be far more advanced than the rather naive fast-exporter code
[21:14] <jo-erlend> I have a project to translate some manuals and tutorials. I thought about using LibreOffice Writer for this, but would that work well with bzr? Would I be able to easily see diffs, etc?
[21:45] <nbjoerg> trying to use the fast-import plugin and get
[21:45] <nbjoerg> 23:03:28 WARNING: Cannot import multiple branches into a standalone branch
[21:45] <nbjoerg> 23:03:28 WARNING: Not creating branches for these head revisions:
[21:45] <nbjoerg> what is it trying to tell me?
[21:47] <exarkun> maybe you need to make a shared repository
[21:48] <exarkun> "When a shared repository is created or found at the destination, branches are created inside it. In the simple case of a single branch (refs/heads/master) inside the input file, the branch is project.bzr/trunk."
[21:48] <nbjoerg> I've started from "bzr init"
[21:49] <nbjoerg> all branches but trunk from the import seem to be on the list
[21:53] <exarkun> nbjoerg: shared repository is created with 'bzr init-repo'
[21:54] <exarkun> I don't really know though, just guessing
[21:54] <exarkun> I just gave up on fast-import a while ago in favor of bzr-svn.
[21:55] <lifeless> jo-erlend: you could write a bzr plugin to call out to the libre office diff utility
[21:55] <lifeless> jo-erlend: the raw diffs themselves are binary - libre office writes gzip compressed xml
[21:56] <jo-erlend> ah. Right. But there is a libreoffice diff utility? Where do I find it?
[22:03] <lifeless> somewhere
[22:17] <poolie> hi all
[23:01] <maxb> Yay for nice empty PPA build queues :-)
[23:04] <poolie> hi maxb
[23:04] <maxb> Evening


[09:25] <leszek> hi
[09:48] <akis> hi all. i am running on an old pc with mendocino-celeron on it the minimal lubuntu edition with basic applications. Is the "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade"  enough to get and install manually all the necessary security updates through terminal?
[09:49] <JohnDoe_71Rus> yes
[09:50] <JohnDoe_71Rus> you can try https://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude?action=show&redirect=aptitude
[09:52] <akis> i am asking because i run those 2 commands and there is nothing available to upgrade although those days on my other fully installed systems (xubuntu & lubuntu) i got some updates of the base system.
[09:58] <JohnDoe_71Rus> do you have internet connection?
[09:58] <akis> sure
[09:58] <JohnDoe_71Rus> lubuntu version?
[09:59] <akis> 14.04
[10:00] <JohnDoe_71Rus> check /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:03] <akis> it updates normally from server but it doesnt upgrade and i dont know if it is normal. maybe it havent to upgrade aything because it s a minimal install ?
[10:04] <JohnDoe_71Rus> check security section /etc/apt/sources.list. then you install OS, you can download updates automaticaly
[10:09] <akis> i prefer to update manually to save ram mem
[10:17] <JohnDoe_71Rus> cat /etc/lsb-release  - Ubuntu 14.0.1 ДЕС
[10:17] <JohnDoe_71Rus> *LTS
[10:18] <JohnDoe_71Rus> 14.04.1
[10:24] <akis> 14.04.1 is already installed. i installed my system last week. but since then i got some updates on my other pc's where i havent minimal systems and i have enabled the auto updates
[15:27] <akis> hi all. i am running since last week on an old pc with mendocino celeron on it, the minimal lubuntu 14.04.1 edition with basic only applications. Is the "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade" commands enough to get and install manually all the necessary security updates through terminal?
[15:34] <testdr> akis: yes - but in LXDE there is a gui-button to run update.
[15:40] <akis> testdr: i didn't install the updater application to save ram memory (extra low on 192mb only) and i have chosen to update manually through terminal. i am asking if these commands i found googling for a while are right, because although my system is up for a week now and i saw that on my other systems (on other machines) which are also running full editions of lubuntu & xubuntu 14.04.1 i got some auto base system updates, in this minimal lubuntu
[15:40] <akis>  system i got no update. is it normal?
[15:42] <akis> i mean i got no update although i am giving both these commands on terminal.
[15:45] <testdr> akis: what is the output of both commands - pls. use the pastebin to upload the text and provide the link/url to it
[15:48] <akis> i am not now on this machine but the output of "apt-get update" is the usual list of repos accessed from the system and the output of "apt-get upgrade" is 0 updated 0 installed. Does these commands and specially the 2nd one should give the option of install base system's updates too or just for the applications' packages?
[15:50] <testdr> akis: then - if you did not notice any errors - the message ist your paket-lists are updated and there are no new updates for your installed pakets available.
[15:50] <testdr> akis: when did you do the last updates?
[15:50] <testdr> akis: maybe you have automatical update enabled? And therefore you did not notice the last run?
[15:56] <akis> this is my opinion too. today i asked for an update and returned me 0 updates. when i installed mini.iso i took the option for a manual update and then i installed minimal lubuntu and i haven't installed updater application.
[15:57] <testdr> akis: check version of kernel - it should be 3.13.0-36
[15:57] <testdr> akis: uname -a
[15:59] <holstein> akis: if you have the latest packages, you wont see updates
[15:59] <akis> i will when i will be on the machine. but as i finished the insallation last Friday i think that i have the last one. maybe there is nothing to be updated. my other systems got some updates maybe because they have the full version of distros
[15:59] <holstein> akis: run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and share errors in a pastebin
[16:00] <holstein> akis: just check.. no need to assume
[16:00] <akis> holstein: i found here some very useful advises. http://askubuntu.com/questions/194651/why-use-apt-get-upgrade-instead-of-apt-get-dist-upgrade.
[16:01] <holstein> akis: dist-upgrade is what i suggest
[16:01] <holstein> akis: this will ensure that you get *all* updates..
[16:01] <akis> holstein: ok my friend. i can report that ifinished with the minimal installation on my old pc (mendocino-celeron @400 mhz ) we talked about it last week. do you remember our recent chat?
[16:02] <akis> dist-upgrade gave me also 0 zero to all
[16:02] <holstein> akis: dist-upgrade nor upgrade *check* for updatees
[16:03] <holstein> akis: so, the results for checking for packages will and should be the same regardless of what package manager you are using
[16:06] <testdr> akis: for your other machines getting updates in the last few dates - you only have seen what was updated and you only can know whether those update-pakets are used on your problem-computer.
[16:06] <holstein> not all packages get updates..
[16:06] <holstein> and if you have PPA's on the other machines, the PPA maintainers may push out updates as they please
[16:06] <testdr> as far as i know, there was no new kernel-update in last days and then it could be there are no updates
[16:08] <akis> holstein: i know that. but i got on my other machines some base system's updates that's why i am wondering. no extra PPA's. From what we are chating here i think everything is ok but i wanted a confirmation.
[16:08] <holstein> akis: sure.. confirm as stated above. share errors
[16:09] <ianorlin> it also depends when they were last updated
[16:10] <akis> testdr: yesterday i received on my xubuntu 14.04.1 a small base system update (auto enabled)
[16:10] <holstein> akis: they are different bases.. please use the commands above, and paste errors
[16:11] <testdr> akis: could be - depends when you did your last updates - and this is all looking into a black hole if you dont give more specs. like the current running kernel-version on those machines
[16:11] <holstein> you will need to have access to the actual hardware, and error messages..
[16:11] <akis> holstein: i am not on the minimal lubuntu machine now. but i got no errors. just 0 to all updates and installed packages.
[16:12] <holstein> akis: when you are near the hardware, run the commands above..
[16:12] <holstein> akis: otherwise, there is little to do but speculate.. nothing you have stated makes me think you have any problem at all
[16:13] <akis> sudo apt-get update && time sudo apt-get dist-upgrade are OK? what "time" means?
[16:13] <ianorlin> time tells you how long the command takes to run
[16:13] <ianorlin> not the time it was completed
[16:14] <holstein> i might look at my sources as well..
[16:14] <akis> so "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" is enough for a manual update and installation?
[16:14] <holstein> if you are online, and accessing official sources.. thats all there is to it
[16:15] <holstein> akis: not "update and installation". its a way to use the package managment too "apt" to update the packages on your system.. packages may be installed as needed for dependencies, but that is not an "install" command
[16:16] <akis> ok i understand what you mean.
[16:19] <akis> thank you dear friends for your advises and for your time today. i have to go now. have a nice day. bye.
[20:19] <tertu> so i'm trying to connect to a samba printer
[20:19] <tertu> but it's not a printer per se
[20:20] <tertu> it's a print station frontend
[20:20] <tertu> which seems to be confusing the New Printer thing because i think it's trying to figure out what kind of printer it is and failing, in any case it does not work
[20:23]  * ianorlin unfotanely doesn't use samba
[20:25] <tertu> gonna put it in #ubuntu as well
[20:27] <rww> !crossposting
[20:27] <tertu> ah
[20:27] <tertu> okay
[20:27] <tertu> makes sense
[20:36] <tertu> turns out I was missing smbclient.
[20:37] <tertu> thanks!
[20:37] <tertu> and i will remember not to crosspost in the future.
[22:47] <forthewin> who's got the oldest computer here?
[22:47] <forthewin> 1998 chinese laptop here
[22:48] <acecipher> Hi, I'm having trouble connecting to my wifi network with a wifi usb adapter. I can get the device to work and see networks, but it won't connect, and appearantly has some trouble getting the passwords through. I tried to mess around with wpa_supplicant.conf, but appearantly that can't find my wlan0 device.
[22:49] <forthewin> acecipher: open up terminal and type iwlist scanning
[22:50] <acecipher> Yeah, it can see my network.
[22:50] <acecipher> Cell 03 - Address: C4:3D:C7:A4:41:7C
[22:50] <acecipher>                     ESSID:"Steaksauce"
[22:50] <forthewin> when that happened to me i rebooted and it was working
[22:51] <acecipher> Hmmmm :/
[22:51] <acecipher> Let me try rebooting then.
[23:00] <acecipher> xP And he left...
[23:00] <acecipher> Still having that problem.
[23:03] <ianorlin> which wifi adapeter are you using?
[23:03] <ianorlin> does it show up in lsusb?
[23:04] <acecipher> Bus 002 Device 003: ID 050d:615a Belkin Components F7D4101 / F9L1101 802.11abgn Wireless Adapter [Broadcom BCM4323]
[23:06] <acecipher> ...SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT
[23:06] <acecipher> I know what's wrong now.
[23:06] <wxl> !language | acecipher
[23:06] <acecipher> (maybe)
[23:09] <ianorlin> it is broadcom usb which makes it hard to work
[23:09] <acecipher> xP
[23:09] <acecipher> Would linksys likely be a better choice?
[23:10] <ianorlin> it matters what the chipset is
[23:10] <acecipher> Hmmmmmmm
[23:10] <acecipher> xP
[23:16] <ravious> looking for a new router?
[23:16] <acecipher> Well, I might just try to move the current one into my room, if my roomates agree (they're gone until tuesday).
[23:16] <ravious> Ubiquiti AirRouter is amazing.
[23:17] <acecipher> Well, I'm also the most computer-savvy one (though one roomate is generally good, being a postdoc researcher and all)
[23:17] <ravious> enterprise features, reliability, hardware, at consumer prices.
[23:18] <acecipher> I will consider this, but really, I'm not looking for much. I prefer Ethernet.
[23:18] <ravious> *nods* Thats cool. Even for wired, you wont find anything else (at least for now) that can sling packets like this ting.
[23:19] <ravious> <--- ubnt.com fanboy for sure lol
[23:19] <ravious> I just wish they would release their 48 port managed switches >.<
[23:23] <ianorlin> he wants usb adapter that works for usb


[16:03] <garyposter> whois gary_poster
[16:04] <Makyo> A question we all ask ourselves, sometimes...
[20:47] <davecheney> who has the link ?
[20:47] <davecheney> thumper: link pleaes
[20:47] <thumper> davecheney: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1Xo905HSVWwX4lVMfRQUzH-y2QwWLU4MLZOfsHHoOBNg/edit#heading=h.qo9grsysujqc


[00:13] <kubuntard> Can i upgrade from 12.04.4 lts to 14.04 and keep the same kernel ?
[00:35] <tsimpson> kubuntard: the currently running kernel shouldn't be removed, but newer software may depend on a newer kernel to implement certain features
[00:36] <kubuntard> tsimpson: Right now im boned because tw68-v2 driver wont build on newer kernels and 12.04{,.4} my sound doesnt work (but it does on 14.04 where i cant compile the driver i have to have) Sucks.
[00:37] <kubuntard> Either lose my cameras or my audio surveillance. Not good
[02:16] <riano> howdy folks, any xorg heros around? I'm having some very annoying issues with a multihead setup
[02:17] <sithlord48> im no hero.... never was......
[02:17] <sithlord48> whats wrong riano?
[02:19] <riano> ok, so. I've got a Dell XPS15, the l521x. Nvidia optimus. HDMI port that is linked to the intel card, DP port that's hooked to the nvidia port
[02:19] <riano> I've switched to using nvidia-prime (hooray) to get that dp working properly and I'm very merrily chatting away on my new monitor.. The thing here is though, when I move my mouse to the right (laptop screen) my desktop .. moves
[02:20] <riano> the external (DP) monitor and laptop monitor aren't seen as separate screens I think, but for the life of me, I can't figure out whats what with that xorg config file
[02:21] <riano> utter bonuspoints are rewarded for also getting the HDMI port to work as a separate screen rather than a clone of the laptop screen, which is its default behavior when the DP is in use
[02:22] <sithlord48> properitay nvidia driver?
[02:23] <riano> 340 from xorg-edgers, had the 331 but my troubles were even bigger then
[02:25] <sithlord48> well since nvidia-settings is going to make your xorg.conf for you. you may wish to start by trying to set those setting in "nvidia-settings"
[02:25] <riano> done and tried, sadly
[02:25] <riano> it doesn't find my laptop screen
[02:25] <riano> just shows the external monitor
[02:25] <sithlord48> and you have run it as root via something like kdesudo nvidia-settings?
[02:26] <riano> I'm happy to give that a go, been running it as a regular user so far. hold on
[02:26] <riano> no difference
[02:27] <sithlord48> nvidia-settings wants to write you xorg.conf file and in order to have the settings stick you need to be root (at least last time i used it this was true)
[02:30] <riano> the file it generates just has the ext. monitor in it though. I'm assuming its because the laptop screen is hooked up to the intel chip, as well as the HDMI port
[02:31] <sithlord48> that is possible . do you maybe have option(s) to change this behavor in your bios?
[02:31] <riano> I do not :/
[02:31] <sithlord48> and with out the ext monitor what does nvidia settings want to do ?
[02:32] <riano> interesting question
[02:32] <riano> lets try, hold on
[02:32] <riano> heh, no screen at all in nvidia-settings
[02:33] <sithlord48> and you have this display working now ?
[02:33] <riano> the laptop screen? Yes, it was working already, just weirdly
[02:33] <sithlord48> what does System Settings -> display and monitor . show for displays?
[02:34] <riano> shows them both
[02:34] <riano> or just the laptop right now
[02:34] <sithlord48> have you attempted to set it this way ? (it should fail because of your xorg.conf / properitary driver but hey)
[02:35] <riano> set it which way?
[02:35] <sithlord48> system settings
[02:36] <riano> I have, but to no avail. The interface works, but thats about it, the outcome is very flaky, at best
[02:36] <riano> interestingly, when I reconnect my dp cable now both the laptop screen and monitor go into sleep mode
[02:37] <sithlord48> so when you say your desktop moves.. like the ext monitor shuts off then you get the screen on the laptops built in one?
[02:38] <riano> its like, the desktop is too big for the monitor. So when I move the mouse to the right edge, the desktop actually slides left to show whats to the right
[02:39] <sithlord48> can you also give me a link to your xorg.conf http://paste.kde.org
[02:39] <riano> of course, let me restart X though, hoping that'll bring my monitor back online
[02:39] <riano> brb
[02:42] <riano> sithlord48: http://paste.kde.org/p84hoxkxj
[02:42] <riano> I can show you the crazy behavior if I can find an app that will record my desktop..
[02:43] <sithlord48> im guessing the external is a higher resolution then the built in screen..
[02:43] <riano> yup
[02:43] <sithlord48> the external is your main screen? then you are in clone mode and the laptop will pan around to follow the mouse.
[02:44] <riano> ext is main, I have no idea what the rest meant ;)
[02:44] <riano> it's closing in on 5am for me, I'm down to simple words :P
[02:44] <sithlord48> this is normal behavor . for the mode your screens are in.
[02:45] <riano> oh, good!
[02:45] <riano> so how do I get them to behave differently?
[02:45] <sithlord48> nvidia-settings under the section with displays iirc.  or manually in the xorg.conf .
[02:46] <sithlord48> its been awhile since i have had to manually write an xorg.conf or used nvidia-settings so im trying to find the info for you now.
[02:49] <sithlord48> riano:  you should try moving the xinerama option line to the server layout block
[02:49] <riano> wth, the screen recording software doesn't see the screen move
[02:49] <riano> on it
[02:50] <riano> do you know if xorg.conf gets reloaded on logout, or do I need to reboot entirely?
[02:50] <sithlord48> it should restart X when the login screen gets showed.
[02:51] <riano> okidoki, brb again
[02:52] <riano> no difference, sadly :/
[02:52] <sithlord48> riano: you can use 'sudo /etc/init.d/lightDM restart' to force the login manager to restart (that will restart X )
[02:52] <sithlord48> instead of rebooting fully
[02:53] <riano> will that kill kdm as well?
[02:53] <sithlord48> if your replace lightDM with kdm then yes it will stop it then restart it  (you will lose your current loged in session)
[02:54] <riano> alright
[02:55] <sithlord48> while this is not ubuntu it may be still helpfull for xorg info.
[02:55] <sithlord48> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NVIDIA#Multiple_monitors
[02:57] <sithlord48> riano:  this might be even more useful referance for xorg.conf  http://http.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-8756/README/appendix-d.html
[02:58] <function9> I'm using a laptop connected to a vga (big screen)
[02:58] <riano> interesting, "If the driver doesn't properly detect a second monitor, you can force it to do so with ConnectedMonitor."
[02:59] <sithlord48> thought you would liek that part riano :D
[02:59] <sithlord48> function9:  do you need help ?? or just saying that you do this ?
[03:00] <riano> they're so close with nvidia-prime now, it's almost out of the box at this point. Alas, almost is never far enough :D
[03:00] <function9> sithlord48: I was going to ask about intel drivers, is that part of the MESA driver from Xorg?
[03:01] <sithlord48> function9: there are only one set of intel drivers for linux . the open source ones.
[03:01] <function9> or SGI rather??
[03:02] <function9> oh ok ty
[03:09] <riano_> no joy :/
[03:10] <sithlord48> sorry riano_ :(
[03:10] <riano_> no worries, appreciate the help!
[03:16] <sithlord48> riano_:  your welcome. i wish i could have been more helpful. i think part of your problems is that hybrid gfx set up .
[03:16] <riano_> probably so!
[03:16] <riano_> I'm gonna go close my eyes for a bit
[03:17] <riano_> thanks again sithlord48 :)
[03:17] <riano_> sithlord48++
[03:17] <riano_> karma ftw
[03:17] <sithlord48> riano_:  good luck and your welcome
[03:17] <sithlord48> riano|afk:   and let me know how it goes here or on kubuntufourms.net
[03:32] <function9> I'm currently testing out the latest kubuntu 64bit, on Vbox. I've been getting the occasional Segfault with Amarok. Also with the USB Start Up Creator, when I click on the close button on the top right corner of the app, it would always Segfaul, but if I click the Quit button, it works fine. I'm doing a system upgrade hopefully this would fix most of the issues. http://i.imgur.com/MnrdkzI.png
[04:18] <function9> well so I did a system upgrade, and that seemed to have fixed all of my segfaults. :) There is one thing when I press Right Ctrl (key) and F(key), to enlarge the screen in vbox, the alt F2 function activates?http://i.imgur.com/dWnWtRn.jpg
[04:18] <function9> I'm not sure what's going on there?
[04:34] <temje> hey folks. just did a fresh install of kubuntu and when i try to change the driver through driver manager nothing happens
[04:34] <temje> it just reloads and shoes nouveau selected
[04:34] <temje> shows*
[04:39] <function9> temje: which gfx card do you have?
[04:40] <temje> nvidia
[04:40] <temje> 9800gtx+
[04:44] <function9> temje: here ya go http://www.howopensource.com/2012/10/install-nvidia-geforce-driver-in-ubuntu-12-10-12-04-using-ppa/
[04:45] <temje> function9: thanks a mil!
[05:59] <function9> hmm, I tried to install some icons, and it wouldn't install any of the ones I selected, this is on kubuntu 14. anyone else get the same issue?
[06:00] <valorie> install icons?
[06:00] <valorie> not sure exactly what you mean, function9
[06:00] <valorie> can you explain what you did, and what went wrong?
[06:01] <function9> valorie: on system settings/ Application Appearance/ Icons/ Get New Themes
[06:02] <function9> It's not allowing to install any of the themes. I tried several choices, but none is being installed
[06:03] <function9> Icons rather
[06:03] <valorie> ah
[06:03] <valorie> no error messages?
[06:04] <function9> no
[06:05] <function9> I'm just testing kubuntu, to make sure everything is working fine, before I proceed installing it on one of pc's
[06:06] <valorie> ah, if it isn't installed, there is no place to save the icon/theme to
[06:06] <valorie> I just changed contrast, and it worked
[06:06] <function9> ohh ok
[06:30] <function9> valorie: I just checked in /usr/share/icons and it turns out I have a lot of themes saved there, but it's not showing up in the menu to select. So I tried to do a manual install and this is what I get. http://i.imgur.com/VPpzuaW.png
[06:31] <valorie> ah, you are running in a VM
[06:32] <valorie> in that case you should indeed be able to download and save an icon set
[06:32] <function9> valorie: this is my LinuxMint and it works fine http://i.imgur.com/KJzltZZ.png
[06:32] <valorie> however, that doesn't mean that all of them will work -- either because of a bad download, old code, etc.
[06:32] <valorie> I suggest trying another of them
[06:32]  * valorie goes off to watch a movie
[06:33] <valorie> best of luck, function9
[06:33] <function9> thanks
[08:02] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:00] <function9> lordievader: hi
[09:00] <lordievader> Hey function9, how are you?
[09:30] <function9> lordievader: yeah, all good, thank you. And yourself?
[09:34] <Gregor3000> hwo do i change the colour of icon and text in the taskbar
[09:34] <Gregor3000> at the moment is' white on whitish background and deosn't loko good at all. i can barely see the clock
[09:36] <Gregor3000> eh.. doesn't look good
[09:39] <lordievader> function9: Doing good, trying to debug an issue with libvirt.
[09:39] <function9> right click on the clock, click on Digital Clock Settings/ Font Color
[09:41] <function9> Gregor3000: there are window themes aswell, that you can install to suite your liking. http://i.imgur.com/Ixk8hwm.png
[09:42] <Gregor3000> i know. i like the default oxygen theme but woudl just like to have indicators and clock in different colour.  i might try and install the opensuse theme that one is also very nice.
[09:44] <function9> Gregor3000: this is the place to be: http://kde-look.org/ :) bbl
[10:34] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:54] <MichaelP> after apt-get dist-upgrade....
[10:54] <MichaelP> dolphin
[10:54] <MichaelP> dolphin: error while loading shared libraries: libKF5BalooFiles.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:54] <MichaelP> sorrt the 3 lines
[13:16] <MarcoPau> hi, my kubuntu has gotten a little too big, over 10 gigs. do you have any hints in order to re-order it? I have checked some web pages with some how-to's but those didn't help much
[13:25] <MarcoPau> my usr is like 7 gigs... anybody has hints?
[13:44] <BluesKaj> MarcoPau,  run apt-get autoclean and autoremove periodically
[13:46] <BluesKaj> some users also use apt-get clean
[13:48] <Roey> what'st the difference between clean and autoclean?
[13:48] <Roey> hey all
[13:49] <MarcoPau> BluesKaj: I do those simple things often. My problem is mainly the /usr directory which is far too big. I have used deborphan too but still this helped too little
[13:50] <MarcoPau> I assume I have something like at least 2-3 gigs too erase... I think this installation is at least 10 years old... :-)
[13:50] <meriutacornel> MarcoPau install and run bleachbit
[13:51] <MarcoPau> meriutacornel: multumesc :-)
[13:51] <legba> tale, even
[13:52] <BluesKaj> haven't used bleachbit since it broke my setup. That was a while back tho
[13:53] <MarcoPau> Roey: iirc clean will erase deb files, autoclean old dependencies or stuff like that. just google
[13:53] <MarcoPau> BluesKaj: wow, nice :)
[13:53] <Roey> thanks MarcoPau
[13:55] <BluesKaj> MarcoPau,  which deb files ?
[13:55] <MarcoPau> the ones in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[13:58] <BluesKaj> MarcoPau,  if so then those files weren't needed on my system since all is well atm
[13:58] <daum_> hey guys i just updated yesterday which included a kernel update
[13:58] <daum_> now my sound and wifi doesn't wokr
[13:58] <daum_> it doesn't even see my wifi card
[14:00] <MarcoPau> BluesKaj: I don't understand what you mean
[14:00] <meriutacornel> daum, boot from the previous kernel.
[14:01] <BluesKaj> MarcoPau,  I don't understand what you mean either since whatever deb files are no longer needed won't affect your system
[14:01] <BluesKaj> daum_,  which soundchip in alsamixer and which wifi chip ?
[14:02] <MarcoPau> BluesKaj: I was answering Roey to the question about apt-get clean saying that, iirc, it erases those deb files
[14:02] <daum_> BluesKaj, hmm not sure on the ethernet, looks like some intel chip? http://dpaste.com/1NR991S  is my lspci
[14:03] <daum_> c210 for audio it seems
[14:03] <daum_> also noticed that the battery monitor can't start when i start up kde
[14:03] <daum_> and sec - realized when i went to just now run apt-get upgrade that dpkg says it was was interrupted
[14:04] <daum_> so its finishing up will try a reboot after it finishes
[14:05] <daum_> brb
[14:05] <BluesKaj> daum ok if your audio still isn't working , run, sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel , there won't be any text output after that command
[14:06] <BluesKaj> too late
[14:09] <daum_> wuwu that worked
[14:16] <BluesKaj> daum_,  so your audio and wifi are ok
[14:17] <daum_> BluesKaj, yep the update must of crashed somewhere and not prperlty finished
[14:18] <daum_> dpkg-configure -a fixed it
[14:18] <BluesKaj> right
[14:22] <function9> guys I tested this kubuntu 14 with superkaramba on a PC, and also on vbox. The superkaramba theme is able to get a readout of my network usuage(upload) and(download) stats. So I know it Kubuntu and Superkaramba works well. So I installed kubuntu on this laptop, and there is no reading at all on my network usuage. :(
[14:23] <function9> I even try to do it manually on the terminal with this command sudo /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | awk '/RX byte/{print $3 $4; print $7 $8}'  result is always 0.0Bytes
[14:23] <function9> anyone know why this is not working?
[14:25] <fuzzywhirlpool> Maybe you don't use network connection at all.
[14:27] <fuzzywhirlpool> Ifconfig has been deprecated. Try 'ip -s link' instead
[14:29] <function9> fuzzywhirlpool, the theme works on my Computer(fresh install), and it also works on VirtualBox, it just doesn't work on this laptop(fresh install).
[14:29] <BluesKaj> fuzzywhirlpool,  ifconfig works fine here
[14:29] <function9> all fresh install
[14:29] <function9> it's something about this laptop
[14:30] <BluesKaj> and I'm running 14.10
[14:32] <function9> just so that you know what I'm talking about. Superkaramba theme is on the right corner with Stats. Network Stats are not working http://i.imgur.com/wO8aig3.png
[14:32] <BluesKaj> function9,  are you on wifi?
[14:32] <function9> BluesKaj, I got both, but I'm using eth0 (network card)
[14:33] <fuzzywhirlpool> function9: you may need to edit the source code of the theme.
[14:33] <function9> fuzzywhirlpool, i'm in the process of doing so. :(
[14:34] <BluesKaj> function9,  have you looked at netstat
[14:35] <fuzzywhirlpool> Is Superkaramba worth using? Is it still being developed or is it just an abandoned project?
[14:36] <BluesKaj> eye candy
[14:40] <function9> sorry guys I was on the phone
[14:40] <function9> BluesKaj, yes netstat works
[14:41] <BluesKaj> maybe netstat can give you the info
[14:44] <function9> brb
[16:12] <kubuntard> Ahoy. I've upgraded my 12.04.4 to 14.04, successfully managing to keep 3.2.0 kernel which i have to have for my video capture device (tw68v2 driver). Problem is, still unable to get any sound out of this machine. analog audio is disabled, trying to use the nvidia hdmi audio that uses snd-hda-intel driver according to google (which is loaded, etc). Mixer controls are spdif out n nothing more, no levels etc
[16:15] <BluesKaj> kubuntard,  which audio chip showing in alsamixer?
[16:15] <kubuntard> On 12.04 sound never worked, on 14.04 directly installed it worked out of the box. I'm suspecting the problem sadly comes from using this old kernel still.. Any way i can try different older kernel versions from ubuntu (pae-generic or pae-lowlatency) and try to isolate when it starts failing to build? Idea being get to the newest kernel that still can make it build (tw68-v2 driver for techwell tw6804 chip)
[16:15] <kubuntard> BluesKaj: Card HDA NVidia  | Chip Nvidia MCP77/78 HDMI
[16:16] <kubuntard> I wouldnt mind getting to a newer kernel version, i just knew 3.2.0 the driver successfully built. kernel api changes have happened since then which cause the (out-of-tree) driver to fail building
[16:17] <kubuntard> i know somewhere before say 3.6.x it quite building
[16:18] <BluesKaj> kubuntard,  run aplay and pastebin the output pls
[16:18] <kubuntard> aplay -l?
[16:18] <BluesKaj> aplay -l
[16:18] <BluesKaj> yes
[16:19] <kubuntard>  **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[16:24] <BluesKaj> kubuntard,  try this, sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel.c
[16:26] <kubuntard> BluesKaj: already loaded, only thing relevant really in dmesg is [   33.325674] snd_hda_intel 0000:00:07.0: enabling device (0000 -> 0002)
[16:27] <BluesKaj> kubuntard,  so it is the intel-hda
[16:28] <BluesKaj> then it should work sinc it looks like it loaded, a commaon bug with intel-hda drivers on kubuntu, won't load after an upgrade
[16:30] <kubuntard> I vaguely remember at one point i had it working something with iecset, but always had issues with sound on this machine until 14.04 -- Wondering if its the snd-hda-intel driver has gotten changes somewhere along the way that fixed it
[16:33] <BluesKaj> think there's much improved linux support on intel's part nowadays
[17:16] <marcovic> ciao
[17:16] <marcovic> sono nuovo nel canale
[17:17] <marcovic> volevo sapere come su fa a scaricare i film qui su mirc
[17:17] <lordievader> !it | marcovic
[19:01] <jignesh> hello people
[19:02] <function9> hi
[19:05] <lordievader> o/
[19:30] <function9> I have a PC, a virtual box guest, both fresh install and works well. But on this laptop(fresh install kubuntu 14.04) when I am watching youtube, and open up a terminal and type this: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep 'RX byte' | awk '{print $3 OFS $4}' I get 0 reading
[19:30] <function9> but on my PC and virtual box guest I get a reading.
[19:31] <function9> what could the cause of this be?
[19:34] <function9> BluesKaj, wb
[19:35] <BluesKaj> thanks function9
[19:35] <function9> BluesKaj, it's not superkaramba, your hunch was right
[19:36] <function9> I have a PC, a virtual box guest, both fresh install and works well. But on this laptop(fresh install kubuntu 14.04) when I am watching youtube, and open up a terminal and type this: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep 'RX byte' | awk '{print $3 OFS $4}' I get 0 reading
[19:36] <function9> but on my PC and virtual box guest I get a reading.
[19:36] <function9> what do you think is the cause?
[19:43] <BluesKaj> function9,  what exactly does that string do if it works, what's the expected output look like ?
[19:43] <function9> it shows how much you are downloading
[19:44] <function9> it works on my PC, and virtual guest both fresh install kubuntu 14.01
[19:45] <function9> err 14.04
[19:47] <luizlinux> hi
[19:47] <function9> hi
[19:48] <luizlinux> I have a laptop with 1GB of ram and 1.80 Ghz processor, Kubuntu will run well?
[19:49] <BluesKaj> function9,  it works on my desktop which uses ethernet , and if I change eth0 to wlan0, then it works with my laptop
[19:50] <function9> yeah, it's my laptop, but what is the cause?
[19:50] <function9> :(
[19:50] <BluesKaj> luizlinux,  it won't be superfast with 1G RAM, but very useable
[19:51] <BluesKaj> function9, change eth0 to wlan0
[19:51] <bprompt> luizlinux:    may want to consider Lubuntu methinks
[19:52] <BluesKaj> or check ifconfig to see what your ethernet designation is
[19:52] <BluesKaj> function9, ^
[19:52] <function9> 0
[19:52] <function9> ifconfig displays eth0 and wlan0
[19:53] <luizlinux>  thanks, I'll try, but I'm even considering using Lubuntu
[19:53] <lordievader> function9: You might want to check out iftop.
[19:53] <function9> internet is working well, I just need to get a reading from those devices
[19:53] <function9> lordievader, I'll check now
[19:54] <bprompt> luizlinux:    you run many kde apps I gather?  or you just want to run Kwin window manager?
[19:54] <function9> lordievader, iftop
[19:54] <function9> interface: eth0
[19:54] <function9> IP address is: <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:54] <function9> MAC address is: 08:60:6e:50:92:97
[19:54] <function9> pcap_open_live(eth0): eth0: You don't have permission to capture on that device (socket: Operation not permitted)
[19:55] <lordievader> function9: You need to run it as root ;)
[19:56] <function9> lordievader, yeah it's reading as root
[19:57] <luizlinux> bprompt:  kwin just the same
[19:58] <bprompt> luizlinux:    hmmm why kwin, if I may ask :)    I mean, there are lots of good and great window managers out there really
[19:59] <bprompt> luizlinux:    I mean, I do run kubuntu and many kde apps, but I use LXDE as my window manager
[20:01] <luizlinux> yes  have very good window managers, but I adapted better to kwin
[20:02] <BluesKaj> I've heard good things about openbox, but never tried it myself
[20:02] <bprompt> BluesKaj:    lxde wm is openbox based
[20:03] <bprompt> luizlinux:     then...  well... depends... I guess... how about getting 1gb more of memory?     ddr2 I assume.....  should be cheap
[20:03] <BluesKaj> kwin has always worked well for me so I haven't bothered changing
[20:04] <bprompt> nothing wrong with it... just pointing out that other window managers will fare better with 1gb of ram, than kwin would, or compiz or unity for that matter
[20:06] <BluesKaj> yes understood ...I did run kwin a few yrs back with just 1G RAM and the speed was a bit slow and ponderous at times
[20:50] <Roey> hi all
[20:51] <Roey> Where are the settings for forcing windows to open in the foreground and not in the background?
[20:55] <MoonUnit`> right click the circle in the top left and select more actions
[22:37] <voa> Hi-Hi
[22:40] <voa> превед
[23:11] <skinux> What is the right command to upgrade when apt-get says there are upgrades available? Is it still 'apt-get upgrade' ?
[23:14] <Chaser> skinux: Yup. apt-get update && apt-get upgrade.
[23:15] <em> apt-get update     followed by apt-get dist-upgrade is a little more aggressive.
[23:18] <em> The difference, I think, is that apt-get upgrade will find new packages but it will not do anything if the upgrade requires adding or removing packages. apt-get dist-upgrade will add and/or remove packages in order to get the new stuff.


[01:13] <xcrileyx> Hello
[01:14] <xcrileyx> Is anyone here than can help a newb out?
[01:15] <xcrileyx> ?
[13:13] <xrileyx> good morning, is anyone here that could help out a new guy?
[13:14] <ogra> !ask
[13:15] <xrileyx> well i did last night
[13:15] <xrileyx> and on one responded
[13:15] <xrileyx> so i just wanted tos ee if anyone was in today
[13:16] <xrileyx> Im looking to build a carputer, and to save space i was going to run the UMPC from a usb flash
[13:16] <xrileyx> is the only option for doing that a "Live Session"
[13:18] <ogra> you cant do a normal install to the flash indeed
[13:18] <xrileyx> dang.. not even if i get one of those 16gb drives?
[13:19] <ogra> sorry, typo
[13:19] <ogra> s/cant/can/
[13:20] <xrileyx> oh.. so i CAN get ubuntu to install to a flash and recognize the flash as my main drive?
[13:20] <ogra> sury
[13:20] <ogra> *sure
[13:20] <xrileyx> I know that the upsides to this are: less space required, less heat, and faster boots
[13:20] <xrileyx> what would be the downside?
[13:20] <ogra> ubuntu usually only cares for the UUID of the drive
[13:21] <ogra> so you should be able to use any media that had a filesystem and is known by the kernel for your rootfs
[13:22] <xrileyx> fantastic!
[13:22] <xrileyx> thanks
[13:22] <ogra> no downside apart from the hardware induced ones
[13:23] <ogra> dont use a swap partition ;) it will wear out your flash
[13:23] <xrileyx> swap partition?
[13:23] <ogra> yes
[13:24] <xrileyx> oh, this is the equivilant of page size in windows?
[15:32] <derekS> hey guys. 2 questions: 1) is there any tutorial on encrypting the home directory? 2) are there any articles on optimizing for SSDs?