[00:18] <slow-motion> n8
[01:03] <duckslammer> hello! what software is recommended for downloading from a video camera and editing the file?
[01:24] <andy__> ki insyalled nautilus for network exploring but now it running as my desktp manager i think and its consuming 100% cpu heating my laptop 20 degres higher
[01:25] <andy__> how do i stop it form doing this, or stop it from runing at startup which i think should be happening,  just want the file browser
[01:55] <duckslammer> anybody know about connetcing a video camera to 10.04?  it is plugged into a usb port and not recognized.  lsusb does not show it.  the camera is a sony handycam 700x digital8
[02:12] <ridin> duckslammer, try cheese
[03:10] <duckslammer> i solved it - the fix was kino with firewire
[05:10] <ours_en_pluche> bonne fin de semaine a toutes et a tous :)
[06:58] <robertzaccour> where can I get albatross theme for gnome?
[07:05] <robertzaccour> hey psycho_oreos
[07:05] <psycho_oreos> hi robertzaccour
[07:05] <robertzaccour> psycho_oreos, do you know where i can find albatross theme for gnome?
[07:06] <psycho_oreos> robertzaccour, I think there's gnome-look.org but I'm not too sure, have you tried google search?
[07:09] <robertzaccour> found 2. emerald and gtk. gtk is better right?
[07:09] <robertzaccour> i mean not a hog?
[07:10] <psycho_oreos> hard to say lol you're in xubuntu channel where xfce is recommended over gnome :)
[07:10] <lewis1711> anyone know how to get all the system messages printed to screen when you boot? you know, how on other distros it's all "searching for drives, finding them, loading them, loading this module, blah blah blah"
[07:11] <robertzaccour> i like xfce better, but i really like the window buttons on the left side in Ubuntu gnome version
[07:11] <psycho_oreos> lewis1711, you remove the splash option in grub
[07:12] <lewis1711> psycho_oreos: this line here? 	linux	/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-23-generic-pae root=UUID=9ab029c3-2978-4175-a43c-4666027df34d ro   quiet splash
[07:12] <psycho_oreos> lewis1711, yes, and I'd probably also remove quiet as well
[07:12] <robertzaccour> psycho_oreos, is it possible to move the window buttons to the left side in xfce?
[07:12] <psycho_oreos> robertzaccour, not sure, I'm on an old version of xubuntu
[07:13] <robertzaccour> psycho_oreos, the newest version has the buttons on the right side. i wonder if there's gonna be a new xubuntu theme. the current one looks great and not sure if changing is a good idea haha
[07:13] <lewis1711> robertzaccour: if it is possible, it'll be in the window manager settings
[07:15] <lewis1711> huh, grub.cfg is read only. weird
[07:17] <lewis1711> man, I am really not liking grub2
[07:21] <robertzaccour> is lxde a lot like xfce?
[07:21] <robertzaccour> i'm thinkin about installing 10.10 and upgrading from there
[07:34] <robertzaccour> is lxde a lot like xfce?
[07:38] <TheSheep> it is like xfce, in that it's a 4 letter acronym
[07:39] <TheSheep> also, it shares two letters, so it's like 50% sameness
[07:40] <TheSheep> other than that your question doesn't make sense :)
[07:40] <robertzaccour> TheSheep, i meant usability, features, is it a complete DE, etc
[07:41] <TheSheep> no, no and no
[08:11] <gebjgd> any one here is using xubuntu with a laptop?
[08:12] <gebjgd> and also is suffering the backlight problem?
[08:35] <ViTRoN> Morning
[08:48] <gebjgd> i can not change the backlight of my laptop under xubuntu
[08:48] <gebjgd> any ideas?
[10:35] <steuz> hola, can someone tell me how can i swap ctrl and alt?
[10:42] <slow-motion> hi
[10:42] <bazhang> hi slow-motion
[11:02] <slow-motion> hi bazhang
[11:02] <bazhang> :)
[11:32] <seaniek84> Hi guys. I need some help. Im new to Ubuntu. When i log in Gnome mode my pc freezes. if i login failsafe mode its ok
[13:26] <FreeFull> I just somehow managed to have compiz screw up my xfce4 config in such a way that xfwm4 won't start
[13:35] <FreeFull> Hey, I just lost some config but xfwm4 is working again
[13:40] <FreeFull> Do I dare try compiz again?
[13:41] <knome> FreeFull, compiz with xfce can be problematic.
[13:41] <Sysi> he already experienced that :P
[13:42] <FreeFull> Ugh, it worked fine with 8.10
[13:42] <knome> yes, and the comment was to confirm that it can cause problems, that it can happen again and that it's not so weird
[13:42] <Sysi> with emerald it worked pretty well in 9.04
[13:42] <bazhang> emerald and 8.10 are neither of them supported
[13:43] <FreeFull> Well, I seem to have some other problem that's stopping compiz from working
[13:43] <Sysi> i just generally hate compiz, and therefore gnome
[13:43] <Sysi> you can't get *anything* there without compiz
[13:44] <FreeFull> Compiz worked when it was still called compiz-fusion :/
[13:49] <Sysi> afaik it's called compiz-fusion after migration to beryl :)
[13:50] <bazhang> its compiz now
[13:50] <Sysi> right
[14:00] <FreeFull> Dammit, now xfwm4 is not remembered together with the session
[14:01] <FreeFull> Ok, NOW it's showing up in the session list thing
[15:14] <prizm> are we thinking about keeping thunderbird?
[15:14] <prizm> after all, it's simply brutal on CPU now
[15:14] <prizm> *memory now
[15:53] <MindVirus> Hello.
[15:56] <likemindead> !hi | MindVirus
[15:56] <MindVirus> likemindead: I'd like to use Compiz instead of xfwm. Is this possible?
[15:57] <likemindead> Sure. Just install Compiz.
[15:58] <MindVirus> likemindead: Done. Now what?
[16:02] <likemindead> I think you want to install compizconfig-settings-manager too.
[16:02] <MindVirus> Already done.
[16:02] <MindVirus> And?
[16:02] <likemindead> (I haven't used Compiz in a couple of years; that's whay I use Xubuntu!)
[16:02] <MindVirus> I don't like xfwm.
[16:02] <MindVirus> Twitchy.
[16:03] <Warp4> hi all.  is it possible in iptables to allow icmp pings from only one host and nowhere else?
[16:03] <likemindead> I'd just go with Ubuntu (GNOME) then, MindVirus.
[16:03] <MindVirus> likemindead: I am short on memory.
[16:03] <MindVirus> I have no problems with my preferences.
[16:03] <MindVirus> I have a problem making my preferences a reality.
[16:04] <likemindead> Compiz is a serious resource hog. If you're low on memory, you'll want to stay away from it.
[16:04] <MindVirus> likemindead: Compiz is using 17M as we speak right now.
[16:05] <MindVirus> The problem isn't installing Compiz, it's making it run on startup.
[16:05] <likemindead> http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2007/12/09/xubuntu-compiz-pretty-pretty-xubuntu/
[16:05] <likemindead> http://www.infobarrel.com/How_To_Install_Compiz_On_Xubuntu,_The_Easy_Way
[16:05] <MindVirus> I've already seen that guide.
[16:05] <likemindead> Google, FTW.
[16:05] <likemindead> Ah... apologies.
[16:06] <MindVirus> Don't know why you'd apologize; you couldn't have possibly knownn.
[16:06] <MindVirus> *known
[16:06] <likemindead> ;-]
[16:06] <MindVirus> But that second guide doesn't solve my problem, which is to make it work on startup.
[16:07] <likemindead> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1319873
[16:07] <MindVirus> The first guide worked fine.
[16:07] <MindVirus> But the solution, which is changing a certain file's XML, is fairly kludgy.
[16:07] <MindVirus> I don't want it to be system-wide.
[16:08] <likemindead> I think you need to run "compiz --replace" or something similar.
[16:08] <MindVirus> Is there no preference to change window managers?
[16:08] <MindVirus> That's running it once, for the session.
[16:08] <likemindead> Oh, there definitely is... somewhere...
[16:08] <MindVirus> I had to change /etc/xdg/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-session.xml.
[16:08] <MindVirus> Which I found on my own.
[16:09] <MindVirus> Does Thunar work with nautilus plugins?
[16:10] <likemindead> I don't think so.
[16:10] <MindVirus> Because it seems that way.
[16:11] <MindVirus> Too bad I can't remove thunar.
[16:12] <MindVirus> I like nautilus way more.
[16:25] <slow-motion> bbl
[18:35] <slow-motion> re
[20:12] <SineDeviance|LT> Hi all. i am having a problem with xubuntu 10.04. I have a pentium 4 prescott @ 3ghz, 512mb DDR-400, a SB live! platinum and an nvidia geforce FX5900 ultra. after installing a clean install of 10.04 i install the nvidia drivers and upgrade ...
[20:12] <SineDeviance|LT> ... the system.
[20:13] <SineDeviance|LT> After upgrading the system and rebooting, X will not start. it gives me "failed to load module 'nvidia' *** aborting ***" and then it says "screens found, but no useable configuration"
[20:14] <SineDeviance|LT> I have reinstalled the system three times, and it consistently fails after upgrading.
[20:14] <SineDeviance|LT> I have it running in TTY right now. is there anything I can check to get it back up and running?
[20:14] <well_laid_lawn> you could read the X log
[20:14] <Sysi> have you every time installed nvidia driver?
[20:15] <SineDeviance|LT> well_laid_lawn: i did that. it just says the same stuff.
[20:15] <SineDeviance|LT> Sysi: the nvidia drivers do seem to be the catalyst for this. but even if i switch to vesa it cannot start.
[20:15] <SineDeviance|LT> Sysi: well, actually, the nvidia drivers worked fine BEFORE i upgraded the system
[20:16] <SineDeviance|LT> so if i do nvidia driver install, then reboot immediately, it boots normally. if i then do an update and upgrade, it will no longer boot to X
[20:16] <SineDeviance|LT> i have tried uninstalling the nvidia drivers and switching back to vesa or nv, with no luck. i have also tried swapping to a different nvidia driver version (i.e. 173 over 96)
[20:16] <SineDeviance|LT> nothing works
[20:17] <well_laid_lawn> is there a nvidia log?
[20:17] <SineDeviance|LT> the first time it happened, X actually crashed in the middle of an upgrade, and then after rebooting the same stuff happened. i was not able to reproduce the X crash.
[20:18] <SineDeviance|LT> well_laid_lawn: if there is i dunno. i would assume it is not the card though, as it works flawlessly in windows and crunchbang.
[20:18] <Sysi> you haven't tried installing updates first and then nvidia driver?
[20:19] <SineDeviance|LT> Sysi: the first time i installed the system i did it that way. that was when X crashed. after that happened i tried installing nvdia first then updating. still, same stuff happens.
[20:19] <Sysi> about that same happenet to me, but it gave some option to get back graphical
[20:19] <ramrod> my nvidia drivers didnt work with the latest 22-23 kernel update
[20:19] <ramrod> i had to download the newest from the nvidia site
[20:19] <SineDeviance|LT> ramrod: ahh that might be it! kernel -23 comes down in the update
[20:19] <ramrod> there are new drivers i dont know if they work with 5x cards
[20:20] <SineDeviance|LT> right now i'm on 2.6.32-23-generic. the stock xubuntu 10.04 kernel is -21-generic
[20:20] <SineDeviance|LT> but even if i boot the older kernel i have the same issue
[20:21] <ramrod> oh ok
[20:22] <SineDeviance|LT> ramrod: the newest version listed for my card is forceware 173, which is already in the repos and i've already tried it. so i dont think the newest would work.
[20:22] <SineDeviance|LT> so ... i wonder if should go back to an even older kernel
[20:23] <ramrod> yes the new 256 driver does not support your 5900 :/
[20:23] <SineDeviance|LT> yeah :(
[20:23] <SineDeviance|LT> well, let me see what happens if i boot the old kernel, remove the new one, and reboot again
[20:23] <SineDeviance|LT> brb
[20:29] <zors> recently went from gnome to xfce.  simple yet awesome.  one question:  can anyone recommend a good, lightweight mail client?
[20:30] <Sysi> you could try claws
[20:30] <bazhang> !info mutt
[20:30] <Sysi> alpine is easier IMO
[20:31] <Sysi> !info alpine
[20:31] <bazhang> nice
[20:31] <zors> thx.  tried thunderb. but i find it too bloated.  gonna try all of the above now.
[20:33] <SineDeviance> i fixed it!
[20:34] <SineDeviance> i removed the old kernel, then made sure the headers and such for the new kernel were installed. then i --reinstalled nvidia-173 and rebooted. like magic, it works fine.
[20:37] <ramrod> nice
[20:37] <SineDeviance> thanks for the help
[20:39]  * SineDeviance installs compiz :D
[20:39] <ramrod> ^^
[20:40] <ramrod> i love claws-mail but i wasnt able to get it work properly with gmail imap
[20:40] <ramrod> now im using mutt
[20:40] <Sysi> you know that compiz can cause problems? :)
[20:52] <Kangarooo> hello hello. what will be with transmision right click overcomming left click?
[21:09] <TheSheep> Kangarooo: that's the new ubuntu policy, apparently it's not like macosx enough
[21:10] <Kangarooo> TheSheep: some say that xubuntu then need to fix also i just now raised all involved in this in #ayatana
[21:11] <Kangarooo> TheSheep: that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators is meant for http://design.canonical.com/2010/04/notification-area/ that is meant for Ubuntu so xubuntu shouldnt be affected.
[21:11] <zsolti0625> Hi, i'm planning to install xubuntu on an old pc (P3 700 mhz; geforce 2;128 mb ram). I heard that the recent release is a memory hog, but the older ones are more suitable for underpowered computers. Do you think that Xubuntu 8.04 LTS worths a try on this pc?
[21:13] <TheSheep> zsolti0625: none of them will work well with 128MB of ram
[21:14] <TheSheep> zsolti0625: try to expand that
[21:14] <SineDeviance> is there any way i can set transparency for a certain program with xfwm4's compositor, like compiz can?
[21:14] <zsolti0625> thx
[21:15] <Sysi> SineDeviance: not afaik
[21:16] <SineDeviance> darn :(
[21:16] <SineDeviance> i want to make my conky setup semi-opaque
[21:16] <TheSheep> SineDeviance: use a alt+scroll wheel on the window's title
[21:16] <Sysi> my friend did that with openbox..
[21:17] <Sysi> now i need log to xfce →
[21:17] <SineDeviance> TheSheep, it's conky. there is no title.
[21:17] <SineDeviance> plus it would need to be automated
[21:17] <SineDeviance> i.e. automatic at startup
[21:17] <TheSheep> SineDeviance: you may try doing something using devilspie, but no idea how
[21:19] <SineDeviance> TheSheep, i know devilspie can work with xcompmgr, i used to do it that way with openbox. do you know of any commands for xfwm4's compositor?
[21:19] <TheSheep> no, sorry
[21:19] <Sysi> TheSheep: holy ff.. is there manual for these?
[21:19] <Sysi> ..or is there any more of this kinda features "hidden"
[21:20] <TheSheep> Sysi: it's all in xfce help
[21:21] <SineDeviance> TheSheep, no problem. thanks.
[21:39] <SineDeviance> is there any way to decrease the icon spacing on the desktop?
[21:44] <SineDeviance> brb
[21:55] <SineDeviance> i think i really like xubuntu 10.04. it's so much faster than ubuntu
[21:55] <SineDeviance> and the ram usage is awesome
[21:57] <Sysi> i just like the features and how easily i can reach them
[21:57] <Sysi> s/like/love :)
[21:59] <likemindead> Xubuntu = Teh Awesome
[22:00] <SineDeviance> Sysi, yeah. i haven't used xubuntu since like 6.04
[22:00] <SineDeviance> it has certainly come a long way
[22:00] <judgen> SineDeviance xubuntu is truly nice.
[22:00] <Sysi> i tried fedora, suse and arch to eeepc and now went back to xub
[22:01] <SineDeviance> judgen, yep.
[22:01] <judgen> SineDeviance a features i would like to have though is z-snake. Toobad only BeOS afaik has it.
[22:02] <SineDeviance> judgen, isn't there a good snake game in the ubuntu repos?
[22:02] <judgen> navigating the filesystem though right mouse click on the deskop.
[22:02] <judgen> not a game, z-snake.
[22:02] <SineDeviance> oh
[22:02] <SineDeviance> my bad
[22:03] <judgen> SineDeviance i will try to find you a screenshot
[22:03] <SineDeviance> okeis
[22:04] <judgen> SineDeviance like this http://www.tunetrackersystems.com/bedocs/documentation/User%27s%20Guide/01_basics/art/contextPathTrans.gif
[22:04] <SineDeviance> i like how fast xfwm4's compositor is compared to compiz-fusion
[22:04] <judgen> works in every folder and the desktop. absolutley the fastest graphical way to navigate the file system if you are used to it.
[22:04] <SineDeviance> judgen, ahh yeah. have you tried haiku yet? you might dig it.
[22:05] <judgen> I am an haiku-dev so... yes.
[22:05] <SineDeviance> ahh ;D
[22:05] <Sysi> i think cp [tab] is fastest :P
[22:05] <Sysi> *cd
[22:05] <SineDeviance> well, i am waiting for haiku to become a little more mature until i give it a real shot. i've played with it in virtualbox a little and so far i think it's gonna be awesome
[22:05] <judgen> Sysi: still reqiures keyboard input.
[22:05] <judgen> and not very graphical
[22:06] <Sysi> i like my keyboard more than my mouse
[22:06] <judgen> SineDeviance it is allready pretty awsome. But i hold off to install it on my main machine untill the usb-wifi stuff is fixed.
[22:06] <judgen> but i run it 24/7 with stress tests on an old  dual pentium 1266mhz
[22:06] <SineDeviance> judgen, does it have any support for nvidia cards yet?
[22:07] <SineDeviance> i dont need it to run 3D or anything but being able to use my monitor's native res of 1920x1080 would be a good start
[22:07] <judgen> SineDeviance it has had support for nvidia 3d hardware accel since several years ago, but only for cards gf4 and older. 2d accel is up to gf 7950 and older.
[22:08] <SineDeviance> judgen, ahh. i have an FX5900 ultra so it should probably work now.
[22:08] <Sysi> ("old" dual pentium?)
[22:08] <SineDeviance> last time i tried a full install i was stuck in 1024x768
[22:08] <judgen> SineDeviance as it does not use EDID you have to set the resolution manually in override if not available in the screen pref panel.
[22:09] <judgen> but when gallium and noveau(kinda) is done, you will have 3d and EDID on all nvidia cards afaik.
[22:09] <judgen> but that might be a while.
[22:09] <judgen> as it does not use Xorg.
[22:09] <SineDeviance> ahh cool
[22:10] <judgen> AROS managed to get gallium and noveau working, ad they have less devs. So hopefully it will be realized as soon as someone figures out how.. but i think it is low prio atm.
[22:12]  * judgen is afk
[23:29] <slow-motion> n8