[00:00] <Daviey> superm1: did you rm /work-fixes ?
[00:00] <superm1> what's that?
[00:01] <superm1> you mean the work directory for building?
[00:01] <Spanner3003> hi i have pulse audio and alsa installed on a mythbuntu system with a hauppauge nova-s sat tv card a asus m2n-e sli mothboard with onboard sound that is seen in mythbuntu as a usb device and it all seems to work fine but in myth backend i have alsa, pulse audio, /dev/dsp1 and /dev/dsp2 but only /dev/dsp2 gives me sound in tv
[00:01] <Daviey> yeah, mythbuntu-weekly-build/work-trunk is empty - but in bzr
[00:01] <Daviey> superm1: but work-fixes isn't
[00:02] <superm1> interesting
[00:02] <superm1> was it ever?
[00:02] <Daviey> *shrug*
[00:02]  * Daviey checks
[00:02] <superm1> if it was and it was removed, that was probably an accident
[00:03] <Daviey> superm1: "bzr launchpad-open" best command ever
[00:03] <superm1> what's that?
[00:03] <superm1> i've never heard of such a command
[00:04] <superm1> oh neat, it pulls open a web browser
[00:04] <superm1> i dunno, i usually find bzr-gtk to be quick
[00:04] <Daviey> oh, you use bzr-gtk?
[00:04] <superm1> normally, it's way quicker than trying to find a commit in a web interface i think
[00:05] <superm1> at least for the things i use bzr for
[00:06] <Daviey> superm1: commit 141, i think it was an accident
[00:10] <mazda01> what does this mean from the mythweb backend status page; "space used by deleted recordings: 27,847 MB" I want to clear that space out, I am running out of space and I don't want deleted recordings taking up space
[00:11] <jolaren> If there's anyone whose good at sasc-ng and phoenix readers I'd be delighted to ask a few questions regardin it
[00:11] <Zinn> jolaren: sasc-ng is a method to ILLEGALLY receive cable or satellite broadcasts via a fake software dvb-s/c device.  It is forbidden from being discussed in #ubuntu-mythtv, #ubuntu-mythtv-dev, #mythtv-users, and #mythtv.  If you would like to learn more about it, please refer to its developers and keep any and all discussions about it there.
[00:11] <jolaren> Ok
[00:11] <jolaren> So sorry.
[00:12] <jolaren> It is not illegal tho in Sweden nor Japan.. But I will keep teh discussions out of here If It's prohibited
[01:38] <greenwom> any one on that can help with a hvr-1950 from hauppage....
[02:27] <mike1_> does bttv module mess with witth dvb?
[02:27] <mike1_> should it be blacklisted?
[02:28] <mike1_> using a Hauppauge wintv hvr-1950
[02:43] <tazz> hi all i have this error when trying to get mythexport to work  Incompatible protocol version (52 != 50) at /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0/MythTV.pm line 649. can anyone help
[02:45] <tazzmanian> hi all i have this error when trying to get mythexport to work  Incompatible protocol version (52 != 50) at /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0/MythTV.pm line 649. can anyone help
[02:46] <rhpot1991> tazzmanian: your perl modules do not match the backend version you are running
[02:47] <rhpot1991> different ubuntu/mythtv versions?
[02:47] <tazzmanian> sorry for the duplicate thought my nick was invisible
[02:47] <tazzmanian> so how do i fix this
[02:48] <rhpot1991> tazzmanian: well what does your mythtv setup look like, is it a single box or multiples?
[02:50] <tazzmanian> single box on  ubuntu karmic with atitv pci  card mythtv version 2.2
[02:52] <tazzmanian> mythweb works but when i delete videos the are still listed
[02:52] <tazzmanian> I have purged and reinstalled twice both mythtv and mysql and it seems problem always is there
[03:00] <rhpot1991> for your delete issue, either wait or run mythtv-setup and disable slow deletes
[03:01] <rhpot1991> are you running autobuilds?
[03:03] <tazzmanian> i don't think so
[03:04] <tazzmanian> so how do i completely delete and get the correct versions installed
[03:04] <tazzmanian> ?
[03:04] <rhpot1991> pastebin dpkg -l |grep mythtv
[03:04] <rhpot1991> !pastebin | tazzmanian
[03:04] <Zinn> tazzmanian: when pasting more than 5 lines of data please use http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com so you don't flood the channel.  Then please post the link in the channel.
[03:08] <tazzmanian> ok sorry on my screen it was 2 the rest was just entries but i will keep it in mind
[03:10] <rhpot1991> no, I'm telling you to pastebin that command
[03:10] <tazzmanian> oohhhhhhhh i see was just doing when you ansewered
[03:12] <tazzmanian> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/rWpseqsd i think this is the url
[03:38] <greenwom> Still hoping for some insight on the HVR-1950 tuner
[03:46] <rhpot1991> tazzmanian: what about dpkg -l |grep libmyth-perl
[03:48] <tazzmanian> nothing i just purged everything to try and get it right
[03:48] <tgm4883> greenwom, I don't have one, so can't help much. Did you see this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=994566
[03:48] <Zinn> [ubuntuforums.org] [SOLVED] Can't Get Hauppauge hvr-1950 to install - Ubuntu Forums
[03:49] <greenwom> tgm4883: ya I have, still can't get it going....  very frustrating
[03:49] <tgm4883> greenwom, whats the full issue again?
[03:50] <tazzmanian> wait i have something
[03:50] <greenwom> can't get video out of it, I think it is a driver / firmware issue with pvrusb2
[03:51] <tazzmanian> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/dzMfB8sN here is the perl   message
[03:51] <tgm4883> greenwom, can you get video out of it outside of mythtv?
[03:51] <greenwom> not yet, looking for a easy way to test
[03:53] <greenwom> device not ok (is part of the error when trying to scan channels
[03:53] <tgm4883> hmm
[03:54] <tgm4883> what version of mythtv/mythbuntu
[03:54] <greenwom> 9.10
[03:54] <greenwom> mythbuntu\
[03:56] <greenwom> I've tried extracting the firmware myself, downloading the devs,
[04:03] <greenwom> what should I use to test.  the device shows up as /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend
[04:04] <tgm4883> hmm
[04:04] <tgm4883> I think* you might be able to cat that to a file for a bit, then try playing the file in another media player
[04:04] <tgm4883> cat /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend > test.mpg
[04:05] <tgm4883> something like that
[04:05] <tgm4883> then after 10 seconds, you can ctrl+c it
[04:05] <tgm4883> i'm cooking dinner, so i'm in and out for a bit
[04:12] <greenwom> invalid argument.....
[04:12] <greenwom> it does create an empty file though
[04:20] <tazzmanian> would the fact that mythexport is version 2.13 while everything else is 2.22 be a problem
[04:21] <greenwom> this is what happens when I try to watch"Error: mythtv is using all inputs, but there is no active recordings"
[04:27] <rhpot1991> tazzmanian: its not a mythexport issue, your bindings are failing cause they aren't matching with the backend version
[04:27] <rhpot1991> if you purged all your mythtv packages you will need to set those backup before you can do anythign else
[04:28] <rhpot1991> and based on your last pastebin you don't have libmyth-perl or libmythtv-perl installed
[04:32] <tazzmanian> ok i reinstalled and  mythweb works but not mythexport how do i fix the bindings  here is the new url after install
[04:33] <tazzmanian> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/5rsZ3gSL
[04:34] <rhpot1991> sudo apt-get install libmyth-perl
[04:34] <greenwom>  out
[04:35] <greenwom> back in - reloaded the firmware....  still no go.  Will post my paste bin  (again HRV-1950 mythbuntu 9.10)
[04:36] <tazzmanian> rhpot1991 it is installed when i reinstalled just tried again
[04:37] <rhpot1991> tazzmanian: so restart mythexport then, sudo /etc/init.d/mythexport restart
[04:39] <tazzmanian> No /usr/bin/perl found running; none killed. is what i got
[04:39] <greenwom> http://pastebin.com/jcCf3ygQ
[04:40] <greenwom> let me know if there's any help  (have to run to a baby please email if you have an idea mjgreenwood at gmail d0t com
[04:40] <rhpot1991> tazzmanian: sounds right, wasn't an instance running so it didn't kill one, it should have still spawned a new one
[04:40] <tazzmanian> and status says mythexport isn't running
[04:41] <rhpot1991> status where?
[04:42] <tazzmanian> sudo /etc/init.d/mythexport status and apache error log gives me the same error incompatible protocol as earlier
[04:52] <rhpot1991> tazzmanian: http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/gDDCchT0
[04:53] <rhpot1991> tazzmanian: run that and see what happens
[04:58] <tazzmanian> how do i run that
[04:59] <tazzmanian> allot of not found
[04:59] <rhpot1991> paste it into a file
[04:59] <rhpot1991> chmod +x the file
[05:00] <rhpot1991> then run it from a terminal
[05:01] <tazzmanian> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/YJS6GtFc here are the errors
[05:03] <rhpot1991> you prob coppied it with the numbers from pastebin, you don't want those
[05:06] <tazzmanian> ttp://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/ECdT6YM6
[05:06] <tazzmanian> seems similar errors
[05:09] <tazzmanian> added the bin bash perl and first two lines missing
[05:09] <tazzmanian> same errors
[05:10] <rhpot1991> wget http://www.baablogic.net/mythbuntu/test.pl
[05:10] <Zinn> [www.baablogic.net]
[05:10] <tazzmanian> ok had to command perl first here is the text
[05:10] <tazzmanian> Incompatible protocol version (52 != 50) at /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0/MythTV.pm line 649.
[05:10] <tazzmanian> Couldn't connect to MythTV. at /home/tazz/perlscriptttry line 18.
[05:15] <rhpot1991> tazzmanian: you have run mythfrontend on this computer and it connects to the backend properly?
[05:16] <tazzmanian> yes
[05:16] <tazzmanian> i whatch and record
[05:16] <tazzmanian> only analog channel scanning doesn't work
[05:16] <rhpot1991> run: locate MythTV.pm
[05:17] <tazzmanian> nothing
[05:17] <rhpot1991> run: sudo find / -name MythTV.pm
[05:19] <tazzmanian> it's going through the whole drive
[05:22] <tazzmanian> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/Yur3ndie     here is the output
[05:25] <rhpot1991> tazzmanian: is this a fresh install, or upgraded box?
[05:25] <tazzmanian> upgraded
[05:27] <rhpot1991> thats prob the issue here you should just have the following:
[05:27] <rhpot1991> /usr/share/perl5/MythTV.pm
[05:27] <rhpot1991> /usr/share/perl5/IO/Socket/INET/MythTV.pm
[05:29] <rhpot1991> the others are most likely left over from the past install, go ahead rename them to MythTV.pm_bak or something
[05:29] <rhpot1991> then run that test script again
[05:34] <tazzmanian> ok got connected
[05:34] <rhpot1991> that fixed it?
[05:35] <tazzmanian> yes thabk you so much
[05:35] <tazzmanian> yes thank you so much
[05:37] <rhpot1991> tazzmanian: please open up a bug and describe your upgrade then
[05:38] <tazzmanian> where do i open the bug and describe it
[05:45] <tazzmanian> ok i reseubmitted to my bug on launchpad and enetered fix
[06:34] <red_one> hi, i'm booting from a cd, after i select "try mythbuntu" the cd drive goes and the Hdd goes but no scrolly bar like ubuntu, stays at first menu. is this normal?
[06:42] <red_one> hm, hdmi issue?
[07:34] <red_one> hm
[07:34] <red_one> if i boot from a livecd
[07:34] <red_one> can i start watching tv quickly?
[07:34] <red_one> or do ined to install backends etc?
[10:07] <Guest88941> anyone good with diskless
[10:07] <Guest88941> tring to install nvidia drivers on karmic diskless system
[10:31] <Guest88941> attempting to install nvidia drivers on diskless client
[10:31] <Guest88941> I need some help
[12:35] <Shred00> i wonder why even in the latest fixes, mythvideo installs a jamu cron job on every front end.  surely this is work for the backend, no?
[14:28] <Jay2k1> Hi again, another thing for http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds -> FAQ -> The builds still aren't working
[14:28] <Jay2k1> it says, please file a bug on launchpad, launchpad being a link, but it's invisible (color:white in the span style tag)
[15:00] <mrand> Jay2k1: thanks.  Just to be sure, you aren't saying that they are broken - just that the text is unreadable, right?
[15:01] <Jay2k1> tbh I didnt test, sec
[15:01] <Jay2k1> works
[15:02] <Jay2k1> so yes, just unreadable due to white on white
[15:10] <Lizard123> Hello, I'm having file size issues, 2GB per minute, sometimes 1.5GB of space disk. I think that's too much for a recording of 5 minutes a files at above 10GB
[15:11] <Lizard123> I'm using a TV analog capture card
[15:44] <Lizard123> !patience
[15:44] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about patience
[15:44] <Lizard123> !help
[15:44] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[15:45] <rhpot1991> Lizard123: what kind of tuner?
[15:46] <Lizard123> rhpot1991: TV Card Kworld using "saa" driver
[15:47] <rhpot1991> can't say I'm familiar with that card, check your recording profiles and maybe turn down the bitrates
[15:50] <Lizard123> rhpot1991: thanks, how could I do that? I'm really a noob, I'm using a default installation of Karmic mythbuntu9.10
[15:50] <rhpot1991> Lizard123: its in the setup menu of your frontend
[15:51] <rhpot1991> I forget the exact location
[15:53] <Lizard123> rhpot1991: do you consider that 2GB/min using an analog TV card input source is normal? I've asked on mythtv and they told me I'm using a framegrabber, I don't know what it is. Also they have told me to ask help here to upgrade, could it be a bug?
[15:54] <rhpot1991> that seems excessive to me, but I've never used a framegrabber before so
[15:56] <Lizard123> I really want this to work. Could you recommend any card that can record input from cable not being so resource intensive?
[15:58] <rhpot1991> Lizard123: well analog is tricky at this point, since it is disappearing quickly, and a lot of the analog cards are no longer made
[15:58] <rhpot1991> you could look for a hauppauge pvr-xxx (150,350,500) on ebay
[15:59] <mrand> or if you want external, PVR-USB2 also works well (is what I bought off ebay)
[16:01] <Lizard123> I don't know what's normal on mythtv and what is not. For an hour of recording of TV show, how much space is written? please
[16:03] <rhpot1991> Lizard123: SD or HD?
[16:05] <Lizard123> rhpot1991: HD(High definition) ?
[16:05] <rhpot1991> ya
[16:05] <Lizard123> rhpot1991: well, definition in my case never minds
[16:07] <Lizard123> that would be SD I guess
[16:07] <rhpot1991> SD will run you about 2-4gb an hour last I checked, HD will run you 8gb an hour or so
[16:08] <Lizard123> rhpot1991: that is reasonable to me, but why I have 2GB/min?   Most capture cards now-a-days do compression.
[16:10] <rhpot1991> ya I've never used a framegrabber so I really don't know
[16:11] <Lizard123> mrand: could I use one of that cards in my case? I only have a coaxial cable, not digital television or anything above that
[16:12] <mrand> Lizard123: are you in the USA?    Are you capturing directly from cable, or do you have a set-top box?
[16:13] <Lizard123> not in USA, just a cable male coaxial that you insert behind TV, sorry but I'm not that expert
[16:15] <Lizard123> mrand: not in USA, just a cable male coaxial that you insert behind TV, sorry but I'm not that expert
[16:15] <mrand> I'd look into one of the cards that rhpot1991 mention, or the PVR-USB2.  There are  numerous others that would probably work well also.  What you're looking for is one that has a built-in encoder (typically MPEG2).
[16:16] <Lizard123> mrand: thanks for helping me.
[16:17] <Lizard123> I really appreciate your help guys
[16:18] <mrand> You're welcome!
[16:22] <Lizard123> I'll try Hauppage and report back, thanks again an good bye.
[17:30] <jolaren> Hello. I cannot find any channels when I perform a search
[17:31] <jolaren> It has always worked before but I reinstalled 5 minutes ago
[17:31] <jolaren> and I really dont know what's wrong
[17:33] <jolaren> I'm updating the system now hoping it will work
[17:33] <jolaren> ,/
[17:34] <rhpot1991> jolaren: analog?
[17:34] <jolaren> rhpot1991: It's digital terrestial I think
[17:34] <jolaren> dvb-t
[17:35] <rhpot1991> I know that analog channel scanning is broken, sounds like thats not the issue though
[17:35] <jolaren> That might be teh issue tho
[17:35] <jolaren> I only have free channels atm
[17:36] <jolaren> but I guess analog is never from an antenna?
[17:36] <superm1> analog is actually fixed now in trunk w/ current autobuilds
[17:38] <jolaren> I'm not running the autobuilds yet tho
[17:39] <jolaren> but I am running the latest version of mythbuntu
[17:43] <jolaren> I think I know the problem now
[17:43] <jolaren> I'm running the xmltv thing and it says tv_grab_uk in the termianl but I'm from Sweden
[17:56] <jolaren> Anyways, reinstalling now
[17:56] <jolaren> This time I picked PAL-B instead of 1080p under the nvidia
[18:01] <Digital_Pioneer> Hi. I've got a mythbuntu installation here, and after rebooting a while back, it just flat refuses to login anymore.
[18:02] <Digital_Pioneer> I selected the user, put in the password, and the screen flashes a few times and it drops me back to GDM.
[18:20] <jolaren> Now I can view my channels but the picture is quite bad if I compare to what it was
[18:21] <jolaren> Nvm, easy fix.
[18:21] <jolaren> Didnt have vdpau in settings
[18:23] <jolaren> Program guide is still unknown all thew ay
[18:24] <jolaren> way
[18:24] <jolaren> What could be wrong?
[18:24] <jolaren> gosh
[18:26] <gregl> It will be unless you enter the xtmltvid or are using a listing source..
[18:39] <Spanner3003> hi i have pulse audio and alsa installed on a mythbuntu system with a hauppauge nova-s sat tv card a asus m2n-e sli mothboard with onboard sound that is seen in mythbuntu as a usb device and it all seems to work fine but in myth backend i have alsa, pulse audio, /dev/dsp1 and /dev/dsp2 but only /dev/dsp2 gives me sound in tv
[18:40] <Spanner3003> hi is mheg working in mythtv yet?
[18:43] <mrand> Spanner3003: watch http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8143
[18:43] <Zinn> [svn.mythtv.org] #8143 (MHEG not working) – MythTV
[18:45] <Spanner3003> ok thanks mrand
[18:53] <Digital_Pioneer> I cannot log in from GDM anymore, it just drops me back to GDM; but if I login from CLI and run startx, it works fine. Any ideas? :\
[18:53] <superm1> look at the gdm logs
[18:53] <superm1> /var/log/gdm or so
[18:54] <superm1> and ~/.xsession-errors after a failed login
[18:57] <Digital_Pioneer> superm1: :0-greeter.log has "gnome-session[2191]: WARNING: Could not launch application 'metacity.desktop': Unable to start application: Failed to execute child process "metacity" (No such file or directory)
[18:57] <Digital_Pioneer> Would that cause it?
[18:57] <superm1> not likely
[18:59] <Digital_Pioneer> superm1: That's the only log that appears out of sorts...
[19:00] <jolaren> I can't get my program listing to work
[19:00] <jolaren> It's just UNKNOWN everywhere
[19:01] <jolaren> What can I do?
[19:02] <Digital_Pioneer> jolaren: Did you enter the xtmltvid? (I'm just quoting gregl from above) :P
[19:04] <Digital_Pioneer> superm1: xsession-errors has nothing interesting either.
[19:04] <Digital_Pioneer> superm1: Just some griping about bash_completion
[19:04] <superm1> Digital_Pioneer, are you out of space by chance?
[19:04] <superm1> df -h
[19:04] <superm1> i've heard that can cause gdm problems
[19:04] <Digital_Pioneer> Not by a long shot.
[19:04] <Digital_Pioneer>  / has 60G free.
[19:06] <Digital_Pioneer> Is there something I can reinstall? :P
[19:07] <superm1> well until you can find where there is an error happening, not really sure what to tell you to reinstall
[19:07] <jolaren> Digital_Pioneer: I guess I msised his point then.. xtmltvid id?
[19:07] <Digital_Pioneer> jolaren: I have no idea what it means. :D
[19:07] <Digital_Pioneer> Yeah, I know. :( :(
[19:08] <jolaren> It has always "just worked" before
[19:09] <Digital_Pioneer> Join the club.
[19:10] <jolaren> Are you havin the same problems lad?
[19:10] <Digital_Pioneer> No, my gdm is screwed up.
[19:12]  * Digital_Pioneer throws gdm off a cliff and installs kdm, which just works.
[19:13] <rhpot1991> jolaren: you need to set up some source, the listings don't just magically get data
[19:13] <rhpot1991> here in the US we used schedules direct for that, dunno what you would use otherwise
[19:13] <Digital_Pioneer> OK, I want to set up a system where I have several mythboxes all streaming content from a central server, and be able to control what media is playing on what box from some a laptop. Is that feasible? :D
[19:14] <rhpot1991> Digital_Pioneer: kinda, you can VNC into each box to do things
[19:14] <Digital_Pioneer> Eeeeh, dirty... :\
[19:15] <rhpot1991> you could make the laptop act as a remote control as well
[19:15] <rhpot1991> and then control the other boxes one by one
[19:16] <Digital_Pioneer> That would work. How would you make a laptop think it's a remote control?
[19:17] <jolaren> rhpot1991: ofc
[19:18] <jolaren> rhpot1991: I have
[19:22] <jolaren> rhpot1991: Tried the sweden lister then the EIT lister
[19:22] <jolaren> none gives me anything but UNKNOWN bla bla
[19:22] <rhpot1991> no idea on that, check in #mythtv-users maybe
[19:24] <mrand> Digital_Pioneer: there are multiple python, tcl, and other pieces of software which allow you to remotely control a frontend via the telnet port.  Hold on, I'll find the page.
[19:24] <mrand> Digital_Pioneer:  http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Telnet_socket
[19:24] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] Telnet socket - MythTV
[19:32] <jolaren> Any known issues atm with the Swedish listing?
[20:10] <tgm4883> mrand, Digital_Pioneer you can do that in mythweb
[20:11] <tgm4883> there is keyboard input built into mythweb to control the frontends
[20:17] <mrand> tgm4883: is there still?  I couldn't find it last time I looked.
[20:18] <Digital_Pioneer> tgm4883: OK, thanks. Will look into it. :)
[20:18] <mrand> tgm4883: Digital_Pioneer  doh.  It's on the front page of mythweb.  My bookmark takes me past that.
[20:18] <tgm4883> mrand, Digital_Pioneer http://backendip/mythweb/remote/keys
[20:19] <Digital_Pioneer> tgm4883: No such server?...
[20:19] <mrand> Digital_Pioneer: your machine is probably not named backendip
[20:19] <mrand> at least, mine isn't ;-)
[20:20]  * tgm4883 smacks head
[20:21] <mrand> Of course, that is a raw keyboard.  It would be much nicer if there were a remote shaped thingie there with pause, record, etc.  /me adds to the laundry list of things to do someday.
[20:24] <rhpot1991> I name all my machines backendip
[20:25] <Digital_Pioneer> Ahhh, yes, no TLD on that hostname is there? :)
[20:26] <Digital_Pioneer> *facedesk*
[21:04] <Digital_Pioneer> tgm4883, mrand: OK, so if I install mythweb on the backend, I can control the frontends over the network?...
[21:08] <Chris_confused> Hi all, did a stupid thing of running the nvidia .run installer.
[21:08] <Chris_confused> it removed my mythtv install.
[21:08] <Chris_confused> i've been reading on the forums but no real definit answers on how to get mythtv back. i install autobuilds but still no mythtv
[21:08] <Chris_confused> can anyone help?
[21:09] <tgm4883> Digital_Pioneer, yes
[21:10] <tgm4883> Chris_confused, did you try apt-get install mythtv?
[21:10] <tgm4883> although it would actually be mythtv-frontend and mythtv-backend I believe
[21:10] <tgm4883> I would use MCC to get what you want installed
[21:11] <Digital_Pioneer> tgm4883: And if it says "No frontends allowe remote control" on the remote page?...
[21:12] <Chris_confused> didn't try the apt-get route. will try that now and get back. i was just scared of removing my db and customized themes etc..
[21:15] <Chris_confused> cheers lads. that brilliant. wow, it was that a simple.
[21:15] <tgm4883> Chris_confused, you verified it worked?
[21:15] <Chris_confused> Seriously thanks a bunch i was sweating here for the last hour or so, though a total re-install.
[21:15] <Chris_confused> it work great
[21:15] <tgm4883> Digital_Pioneer, there is probably a setting on the frontend to activate it. I'll have to check though
[21:16] <Chris_confused> "apt-get install mythtv" was the answer
[21:17] <Chris_confused> that will teach me to be more careful in future. once again thanks
[21:22] <mrand> tgm4883, Digital_Pioneer, I believe either in mythtv-setup or the frontend setup, there is an "enable telnet port" type setting.
[21:24] <rhpot1991> ya you need to enable telnet control
[21:28] <Digital_Pioneer> rhpot1991: Do you do that on the frontend or backend?
[21:41] <rhpot1991> frontend I think
[21:52] <Digital_Pioneer> OK, I told it to enable the telnet port on 6546, but it ignored me. Do I have to restart something?
[21:57] <Digital_Pioneer> Blasted thing _will not_ open that port... 6547 is open...
[21:57] <Digital_Pioneer> But it's set to use 6546
[22:04] <Digital_Pioneer> *Sigh* I can't figure out how to turn the cursed thing on.
[22:09] <rhpot1991> did you restart the frontend after the change?
[22:09] <Digital_Pioneer> Yeah
[22:10] <Digital_Pioneer> Many, _many_ times.
[22:12] <Digital_Pioneer> Should be able to just run `telnet frontendip 6546` and type help and it should tell me my possible commands, yes?
[22:18] <tgm4883> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Telnet_socket
[22:18] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] Telnet socket - MythTV
[22:19] <tgm4883> Digital_Pioneer, that page also has some info on other "remotes" you can install to your desktop to control your mytthv
[22:23] <Digital_Pioneer> tgm4883: That's the page I've been working from, but all those remotes use the telnet interface, no? So unless I get that iface going, it's useless.
[22:23] <Digital_Pioneer> Anyways, there's always the VNC approach.
[22:27] <Digital_Pioneer> OK, I'll fight this further later. :\


[07:22] <dpm> morning all
[07:30] <andrejz> morning
[07:33] <andrejz> dpm i have a question about import queue
[07:48] <dpm> hey andrejz, good morning, sure, go ahead with the question
[07:52] <andrejz> in the import queue the is a bfd.pot from package "crash" but in natty there is bfd from binutils
[07:54] <andrejz> this confuses me a bit
[07:55] <dpm> andrejz, this is not a problem in Launchpad, as we can either give the template a different name, or leave it the same. Both can coexist with the same name, as they come from different source packages. However, if their translation domain is the same, then this is a bug in the package, as there cannot be two programs using the same translation domain in the system
[08:11] <andrejz> automatically suggested value for translation domain is the same (bfd) but i don't know what it ought to be
[08:11] <andrejz> where can i check that
[10:13] <RawChid> Hey, sometimes there are empty translated strings in LP. Anyone familiar with this problem?\
[10:33] <kelemengabor> RawChid: yes, this can indeed happen
[10:34] <RawChid> You know why?
[10:34] <kelemengabor> if you accidentally click in the translation field, but write nothing in it and you save it, this will appear as translated - to the empty string
[10:34] <RawChid> The strings are added via web interface of Launchpad. Don't know if that has to do with it...
[10:35] <RawChid> Hmm
[10:36] <RawChid> I'm thinking of a RFC for Launchpad now.. Maybe don't accept empty translations? Or better, if the source is not empty, then translation may not be empty. What are you thinking?
[10:39] <RawChid> kelemengabor^
[10:39] <kelemengabor> hm, perhaps this is already fixed? I just tried it and it looks like I'm wrong
[10:40] <kelemengabor> yeah, I'm still here :)
[10:40] <RawChid> Hm yeah. I can't imagine that I made this "mistake" so many times
[10:41] <RawChid> And I've seen it from several translators
[10:41] <kelemengabor> I'm sure that for long time, when you clicked into the new translation field, the radio button was automatically selected, but now it looks like this is not the case anymore
[10:43] <RawChid> Yeah, and that causes another usability problem; that my translations is not submitted :P
[10:44] <RawChid> Sometimes you must click the radio button explicitly
[10:46] <kelemengabor> I think I experienced that not so long ago, but how is that possible?
[10:47] <RawChid> I'm not sure. I can't reproduce that at the moment.
[10:47] <kelemengabor> I have typed something in the field, saved it, and next time I looked at it, it was not there
[10:48] <RawChid> Ah, I see. When you have a text field (small one, NOT a textarea). Then klik on the button to expand it (tooltip: makes field larger). And then type your translation, the radio button stays on "no translation"
[10:50] <RawChid> I use this functionality oftentimes  because the small field doesn't have spell check in my broswer
[10:51] <RawChid> So my work disappeared :(
[10:57] <kelemengabor> argh, with my disappeared translations I used the same, they were short strings which I wanted to break in two lines, so I expanded them and boom, they gone
[10:57] <kelemengabor> congrats RawChid, you just caught an LP Translations bug :)
[10:59] <kelemengabor> do you want the honor of filing it? :)
[10:59] <kelemengabor> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+filebug
[11:01] <RawChid> Yeah sure, I fill it later this day
[11:01] <RawChid> Lunch time :)
[11:44] <RawChid> kelemengabor, I filed the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/811014
[11:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 811014 in launchpad "Translated strings don't get saved (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[11:44] <kelemengabor> cool, thanks!
[11:45] <RawChid> But coming back on my original problem (maybe I need to file another bug)
[11:46] <RawChid> 12:13:37 < RawChid> Hey, sometimes there are empty translated strings in LP. Anyone familiar with this problem?\
[11:46] <RawChid> That problem is a bigger deal to me
[11:46] <RawChid> Not sure if it's a bug though
[11:51] <kelemengabor> well, I'd say this is not really a big problem, unless you change an existing translation to an empty one
[11:51] <kelemengabor> which is an unfortunate case, and perhaps should not be allowed at all
[11:51] <kelemengabor> dpm: danilos: what dou you guys think?
[11:52] <dpm> hi kelemengabor, reading the scrollback...
[11:53] <RawChid> I asked the person who said this to me to give me examples (string ID's) for further investigation... Can't give an example at the moment
[11:53] <danilos> kelemengabor, setting a translation to empty one is the only way we can turn something into a suggestion if it's already approved; also, sometimes you don't know what the correct translation is, but you do know that the current one is incorrect
[11:55] <kelemengabor> danilos: these look like valid use cases, thanks.
[11:56] <RawChid> danilos: so there is a distinguish between "no translation" and "empty translation". I'd prefer to use "no translation" for your examples
[11:56] <danilos> as for bug 811014 RawChid filed, I am not sure if this ever used to work for textareas (it still seems to work for regular input fields you get originally)
[11:56] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 811014 in launchpad "Translated strings don't get saved (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/811014
[11:56] <danilos> RawChid, if you are certain that this used to work for textareas, please add a comment like that so it can be marked as a regression and critical
[11:57] <RawChid> I'm not sure what you mean danilos. If it has worked or not. It is a usebility issue.
[11:57] <danilos> kelemengabor, right, the problem with "no translation" is that Launchpad uses current translation review date as a cut-off date for reviewed suggestions, so you might get already reviewed suggestions listed as "new suggestions" if we just remove the translation
[11:58] <danilos> RawChid, I agree, but we are currently stomped with many critical issues, and if this has never worked, it's unlikely to be fixed in the next 6 months or so :/
[11:58] <RawChid> danilos I GUESS it hasn't worked at all.
[11:59] <RawChid> Should I mention this?
[11:59] <danilos> RawChid, right, thanks
[11:59] <danilos> RawChid, nope, no need to do that then
[11:59] <RawChid> This is more a RFC than a bug then right?
[12:00] <danilos> RawChid, it is a bug indeed, but I was just wondering if we can make it critical with the rest of our critical bugs (what we do for regressions)
[12:00] <RawChid> Oke, thanks for the heads up
[12:07] <RawChid> And the "empty translation" problem. You said it can be user to indicate that a translation is not correct. So when I see empty translations it is because someone else has made it empty explicitly?
[12:07] <RawChid> danilos^
[12:21] <danilos> RawChid, yes, most likely (we used to have a bug where we set translations to empty if there were non-existent in the import, but long time ago and for a short while)
[12:27] <RawChid> I can't imagine that someone has done that to my translations. We should communicate such things to each other. But I'll keep an eye on it
[12:28] <RawChid> Thanks anyhow
[13:16] <dpm_> kelemengabor, just a quick heads up that I haven't forgotten about the call notes, it's just that I'm having a busy day and I'll probably send them on Monday
[13:16] <kelemengabor> no problem :)
[15:31] <hannie> kelemengabor, can I ask you something about: name of translator present but no translation yet (RawChid's question too)
[15:32] <kelemengabor> sure
[15:32] <hannie> hi dpm
[15:32] <hannie> kelemengabor, I'll try to explain:
[15:33] <hannie> In ddtp-ubuntu-universe I regularly see this: Translated by Hannie on xxx, but (no translation yet)
[15:34] <hannie> My name is just an example
[15:34] <hannie> Why is there a name of an translator, whilst there is no accepted translation yet?
[15:35] <henninge> hannie: if somebody removed the old translations
[15:35] <henninge> translation, I mean
[15:35] <henninge> it will look like that.
[15:35] <hannie> I do not think any of my fellow translators removes accepted translations
[15:37] <kelemengabor> I think this can happen when someone uploads a translation file which has untranslated strings
[15:38] <kelemengabor> at least some time ago I saw this to happen, altough recently I don't see it anymore
[15:38] <hannie> kelemengabor, that's what I thought, but my fellow translator hasn't done that
[15:39] <hannie> It is no big deal, but I am only curious why this happens
[15:40] <kelemengabor> I have no idea, why - Launchpad is such a beast, and it is known to have strange habits :(
[15:41] <hannie> You tell me ;)
[15:41] <hannie> But thanks for your answer, and henninge too
[16:01] <kelemengabor> dpm_: is there any way to see a debdiff between two versions of a package, like https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/ubuntu-docs ?
[16:01] <kelemengabor> I'm asking because of this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/690248/comments/16
[16:01] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 690248 in ubuntu-docs (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "In Maverick 'About Ubuntu' displays Natty info (affects: 64) (dups: 23) (heat: 258)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[16:02] <kelemengabor> looks like this went out, but I'd like to double check
[16:03] <kelemengabor> and, if this is everything that was applied, then it's pretty obvious what happened: only the original file was updated, its translations in the same package weren't
[16:03] <kelemengabor> but, this is only my theory
[16:07] <dpm_> kelemengabor, I need to go, but I'll try to have a look at it on Monday. Please ping me again about it if I forget
[16:07] <dpm_> cheers!


[10:45] <CKLMN> hello , i want to know how i can contribute to the development
[19:13] <odra> Hey
[19:47] <odra> Nobody home...
[19:48] <odra> Should I license my newly made program under GPLv3 or v2?
[20:07] <xnox> odra: depends on the libraries you use. Some might be incompatible with v2 (e.g. apache v2) others might be incompatible with Gplv3 (e.g. lgpl v2)
[20:07] <xnox> sorry gpl2 is incompatible with gplv3 that is.
[20:44] <odra> xnox: That sounds weird
[20:44] <odra> I thought you could use libraries with incompatible licenses
[20:44] <odra> But you couldn't use their code in yours with an incompatible license
[20:49] <odra> GAHHHH :C
[20:49] <odra> Configure/makefile is hard
[20:50] <odra> Or I'm dumb
[20:53] <xnox> odra: no, you cannot link gpl library against proprietary software. Similarly you cannot link gplv2 against gplv3 project.
[20:53] <xnox> odra: similarly one cannot link openssl to gpl applications/libraries.
[20:54] <odra> xnox: :|
[20:54] <xnox> odra: see: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#WhatIsCompatible
[20:54] <odra> xnox: This
[20:54] <odra> Sounds all stupid
[20:54] <odra> To me.
[20:54] <odra> Free software that restrains programs to their licenses. The irony!
[21:34] <xnox> odra: permissive licenses usually allow one to do anything, even relicense and make it propriatary. strong copyleft licenses (e.g. gpl) are often considered "to spread like a virus" because they force everyone to release any source modifications & to release further software as free software as well.
[21:35] <xnox> odra: e.g. if for example that was not the case you'd see a lot of apps where "core" functionality is open-sourced, yet "mobile frontend" is proprietary pay-for-software, which would suck a lot.


[00:26] <don_ace> please can a admin unban me :-(
[00:26] <don_ace> i use bad languge
[00:26] <don_ace> sorry
[00:26] <don_ace> dont make it again! i remember it!
[01:27] <elky> don_ace, do you remember what it was you were banned for?
[01:27] <don_ace> yes
[01:28] <don_ace> for bad language
[01:28] <don_ace> dont do it again!
[01:28] <don_ace> and band language nickname :<
[01:28] <elky> what day was this on?
[01:30] <elky> and what bad nickname were you using
[01:38] <don_ace> ok
[01:38] <don_ace> i dont remeber exactly
[01:39] <don_ace> but like "suckmydick" or like that
[01:39] <don_ace> it was today
[01:43] <don_ace> please unban me :-<
[01:44] <pangolin> !guidelines | don_ace
[01:44] <don_ace> want to learn ubuntu, because i think its a nice OS , and want to learn and help people in the #ubuntu channel, and the Point is, it is a Open Source OS !!
[01:44] <pangolin> don_ace: could you please read the guidelines that ubottu just linked to you. Let me know if you have any questions about them.
[01:45] <don_ace> k
[01:45] <don_ace> now im stoned
[01:45] <pangolin> pardon?
[01:45] <don_ace> i put it on favorites and red it tomorow clean ok ?
[01:45] <don_ace> read*
[01:45] <pangolin> ok, come back here after you have read it.
[01:45] <don_ace> k
[01:45] <don_ace> thx
[01:45] <pangolin> thank you. Good night.
[01:45] <don_ace> ok
[01:45] <don_ace> have a good night pangolin!
[01:46] <pangolin> thank you.
[01:46] <don_ace> and when u want it dirty then klick --> http://www.internet-radio.com/player/?mount=http://lemon.citrus3.com:8062/listen.pls&title=FILTH%20FM&website=http://www.filth.fm
[01:46] <don_ace> Filthy-FM :D
[01:46] <pangolin> Please don't spam in here
[01:46] <don_ace> ok sry
[01:46] <pangolin> or any channels for the matter
[01:47] <pangolin> don_ace: if you could /part this channel now that would be great, we'll see you tomorrow.
[01:47] <don_ace> k
[01:47] <don_ace> see ya
[01:48] <pangolin> don_ace: Please do not idle in this channel.
[01:54] <dax> I maintain that irclogs.ubuntu.com should include rel="nofollow" on its external links.
[01:56] <funkyHat> Hello dax ❡⢁)
[01:56] <funkyHat> I agree
[01:57] <pangolin> that is some horrible music
[01:57]  * funkyHat wonders if googlebots or others follow URLs in txt files
[02:14] <dax> Your floodbots are on crack again.
[02:28] <funkyHat> dax: https://bugs.launchpad.net/irclog2html/+bug/914553
[02:37] <funkyHat> It's probably necessary to write a script to go through all the old html files, or have irclog2html rerun the whole lot (at least I hope irclog2html isn't rewriting them all regularly, haven't really looked at how it works much)
[02:39] <dax> that's a oneliner with sed, I imagine
[02:39] <h00k> probably
[02:39] <funkyHat> Ya
[02:43] <funkyHat> Figuring it out, it ideally should only match lines which contain '<td class="', but it should match multiple anchors on one line
[02:44] <funkyHat> * '<td class="text" '
[02:50] <funkyHat> Something like find . -name '*.html' -exec sed -i '/<td class="text"/ s/<a href="\([^"]*\)"/<a href="\1" rel="nofollow"/g' \;
[02:50] <funkyHat> I suppose I could actually test that instead of guessing
[02:58] <funkyHat> find . -name '*.html' -exec sed -i '/<tr id="t/ s///g' \{\} \;
[02:59] <funkyHat> Don't think I missed anything
[03:27]  * h00k brain asplodes
[10:23] <LjL> jrib: hi
[10:27] <jrib> LjL: ola
[10:27] <LjL> jrib: k tal
[10:28] <jrib> LjL: m/f?
[10:28] <LjL> jrib: /
[10:46] <elky> no a/s/l? i am dissapoint.
[13:11] <ikonia> ooooh
[13:11] <ikonia> that's not the norm
[13:11] <ikonia> lets have a look
[13:13] <LjL> ikonia, it's pinging about #kubuntu not #ubuntu :P
[13:14] <ikonia> yup, just having a clear out
[13:14] <ikonia> two minutes
[13:14] <ikonia> saw a load of floodbot ones in #ubuntu, so just clearing them
[13:14] <LjL> ok
[13:26] <ikonia> can someone check #kubuntu - how many bans do you see present ?
[13:27] <LjL> only a small bunch
[13:27] <ikonia> there was never 482 bans there
[13:27] <pangolin> Tm_ T checked yesterday
[13:27] <ikonia> I wonder why floodbot thought there was
[13:27] <pangolin> said there were 47 or so
[13:27] <ikonia> I only see 10 now
[13:27] <pangolin> I think he probably deleted a few old ones
[13:28] <LjL> the k-floodbots are still very messed up i think
[13:28] <LjL> maybe tsimpson will be able to fix them a little now he's around again
[13:29] <pangolin> hmm maybe he didn't
[13:29] <ts2> LjL: due to some mess up, the bots in #k are running extremely old code, I'm planning on updating them... sometime
[13:30] <ikonia> as long as the ban list really isn't full, I think we are fine, no rush
[13:30] <ts2> it's nowhere near full in reality
[13:31] <ts2> they just don't seem to like netsplits, apparently
[13:33] <Tm_T> that
[13:35] <Tm_T> ikonia: I was very surprised to see floodbot complaining the banlist was full (almost 500 bans there? really?), then saw ~230 items in ubottu and still wondered what has been happening, but meh the channel said it's only ~50 (:
[13:35] <Tm_T> in #k's case, apparently one cannot rely on bots
[13:35] <ts2> one can never rely on bots
[13:35] <Tm_T> true
[13:36] <Tm_T> maybe "trust" would have been the correct word (:
[13:36] <ts2> my response would have been the same, except s/rely/trust/ ;)
[13:37] <pangolin> s/rely/eat/
[13:45] <funkyHat> one can never eat on bots?
[13:46] <pangolin> correct
[14:15] <Pici> I need to get some work done here, but we need to think about how we want to separate the current content of !tv and make way for some new info about Ubuntu TV.
[14:15] <Pici> !tv
[14:16] <Pici> maybe !tuner or similar... I'll be back later.
[14:17] <LjL> one vote for keeping !tv in its place and putting Ubuntu TV at !ubuntutv or something
[14:18] <funkyHat> +1
[14:22] <AlanBell> yes, but append " and !ubuntutv" to the !tv factoid
[14:24] <LjL> sure
[14:26] <AlanBell> popey: want to compose an !ubuntutv factoid?
[14:27] <AlanBell> great interview on it here btw for anyone curious about it http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/10/2697982/interview-ubuntu-tv-pete-goodall
[14:27] <popey> yeah, it's very good
[14:27] <popey> Pete is great at those kinds of discussions
[14:27] <popey> great to see acknowledgement of the community there
[14:28] <popey> 'Ubuntu TV is a strategy to bring the Ubuntu platform to TVs. Discussion happens in #ubuntu-tv and on the ubuntu-tv launchpad mailing list. Find out more at http://ubuntu.com/tv"
[14:28] <popey> hows that?
[14:29] <AlanBell> fine by me
[14:29] <pangolin> what do we want to name the factoid?
[14:32] <pangolin> !ubuntutv is <reply> Ubuntu TV is a strategy to bring the Ubuntu platform to TVs. Discussion happens in #ubuntu-tv and on the ubuntu-tv launchpad mailing list. Find out more at http://ubuntu.com/tv
[14:32] <pangolin> !utv is <alias> !ubuntutv
[14:33] <pangolin> !utv is <alias> ubuntutv
[14:33] <pangolin> !utv
[14:34] <AlanBell> !tv is http://www.linuxtv.org/ has extensive information about using TV cards under Linux. Available viewers for analog cards: Zapping, tvtime (GTK/GNOME), Kaffeine, kdetv (KDE), xawtv, motv. For digital cards: Me-TV (GNOME), Klear (KDE), dvb-utils. For both analog and digital cards, !MythTV is a powerful framework. Your card may work the !IVTV drivers. See also !TV-Out and !UbuntuTV
[14:34] <AlanBell> !forget tv
[14:34] <AlanBell> !tv is http://www.linuxtv.org/ has extensive information about using TV cards under Linux. Available viewers for analog cards: Zapping, tvtime (GTK/GNOME), Kaffeine, kdetv (KDE), xawtv, motv. For digital cards: Me-TV (GNOME), Klear (KDE), dvb-utils. For both analog and digital cards, !MythTV is a powerful framework. Your card may work the !IVTV drivers. See also !TV-Out and !UbuntuTV
[14:34] <AlanBell> wah
[14:34] <LjL> not done like that
[14:34] <LjL> !unforget tv
[14:34] <LjL> !no tv is <reply> http://www.linuxtv.org/ has extensive information about using TV cards under Linux. Available viewers for analog cards: Zapping, tvtime (GTK/GNOME), Kaffeine, kdetv (KDE), xawtv, motv. For digital cards: Me-TV (GNOME), Klear (KDE), dvb-utils. For both analog and digital cards, !MythTV is a powerful framework. Your card may work the !IVTV drivers. See also !TV-Out and !UbuntuTV
[14:34] <AlanBell> oh, it is "no" isn't it
[14:35] <LjL> yep
[14:35] <AlanBell> thanks LjL
[15:01] <Pici> You went and did all the work and didn't leave any for me :/
[15:02] <LjL> :(
[15:05] <AlanBell> I am sure we can fix that :)
[15:08] <mneptok> !AlanBell no <work> is <reply>Can't be bothered.  Please read the channel topic. This channel is logged. Use of this channel implies acceptance of terms at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/TermsOfService
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[16:34] <mrmist> it's totally different
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