[07:34] <Kilos> o/
[12:32] <theShirbiny> Hey wxl, not push you or anything, but did you ask #ubuntu-eg ops to at least remove the outdated Ubuntu version?
[17:05] <wxl> theShirbiny: yep. it's in progress. will get fixed eventually. for now, i wouldn't worry about it.


[07:10] <qwebirc39509> Hello All... Any known issues with the 11.04 installer? Live has booted on occasion, but more often than not I got a Kernel Panic during the loading 'dots' screen..
[07:11] <qwebirc39509> Is it worth the upgrade? Or should we stick with 10.04 (which is working well)
[07:14] <qwebirc39509> (I can't see anything the the Natty release notes and known issues which looks familiar)
[16:48] <orictosh> When watching TV on mythTV if I bring up the epg using "S" it crashes then restarts back to login ? os 11.04 mythtv 0.24.1
[16:51] <tgm4883> orictosh, you'll need to post your logs here
[16:51] <tgm4883> !logs
[16:51] <Zinn> MythTV logs are stored in /var/log/mythtv/   You can use mythbuntu-log-grabber from the Applications menu to automatically post the most relevant logs to our pastebin.
[16:57] <orictosh> hi tgm4883 the only log file that was in the folder was jamu.log which has been paste into the bin
[17:05] <tgm4883> orictosh, are you using the mythbuntu provided packages?
[17:06] <orictosh> no complied from source
[17:06] <tgm4883> orictosh, then you need to ask in #mythtv-users
[17:06] <tgm4883> any particular reason you aren't using the packages?
[17:07] <tgm4883> orictosh, also, you can try starting the frontend from the command line and looking for errors when it crashes
[17:10] <orictosh> just found its easier to install from source as the package web support is not good as you have mythbuntu which comes as os/mythtv package and mythtv not part of os so u have 2 versions which causes problems when trying to fix it
[17:11] <orictosh> and find support online
[17:12] <orictosh> going to the other channel many thanks for your time


[00:02] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Yo!
[00:02] <robert_ancell> RAOF, howdy
[00:03] <robert_ancell> RAOF, regarding bug 1583624, do you know why a Mir session would be attempting to work out what VT it is on?
[00:05] <RAOF> Hm. Because for some reason it's trying to run on bare KMS.
[00:05] <RAOF> Is unity8 being passed the --host-socket option?
[00:06] <robert_ancell> RAOF, not by LightDM
[00:06] <RAOF> Well, something should be.
[00:06] <robert_ancell> That was my guess, some change has made it think it's no longer running under u-s-c
[00:07] <RAOF> Something needs to tell the greeter's Mir to connect to usc rather than try to drive the hardware.
[00:07] <robert_ancell> LightDM sets MIR_SOCKET - is that no longer sufficient?
[00:08] <RAOF> I don't think that was ever sufficient?
[00:08] <robert_ancell> That's how Unity 8 sessions work...
[00:09] <robert_ancell> LightDM picks a socket name, starts U-S-C with that then runs the sessions with MIR_SOCKET set (the greeter is just a special case of a session).
[00:11] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Hah. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1290345
[00:12] <RAOF> So, Mir 0.21 changed the behaviour to require MIR_SERVER_HOST_SOCKET (or, equivalently, passing --host-socket=).
[00:13] <robert_ancell> That looks like it
[00:14] <robert_ancell> So, I'm still confused. A Mir client reads MIR_SERVER_HOST_SOCKET for the parent Mir server to connect to?
[00:15] <robert_ancell> And MIR_SOCKET is the "socket you should open for your children to connect to"
[00:15] <RAOF> No; a Mir client (which uses mir_connect_sync(nullptr)) reads MIR_SOCKET.
[00:16] <robert_ancell> But a shell (which is a Mir client in this case) reads MIR_SERVER_HOST_SOCKET?
[00:16] <RAOF> For a Mir *server* it checks if MIR_SERVER_HOST_SOCKET is set (or, equivalently, --host-socket), and if so uses that host to nest under.
[00:16] <robert_ancell> So it sounds like I just need to replace MIR_SOCKET with MIR_SERVER_HOST_SOCKET and it should still work.
[00:17] <robert_ancell> I will however need to keep setting MIR_SOCKET for backwards compatibility
[00:17] <RAOF> Yes.
[00:17] <robert_ancell> Yay for API stability ;)
[00:19] <RAOF> Of course, there's a good chance this will change again in the not-too-distant future :)
[00:19] <robert_ancell> ahahahahah. *sigh*
[00:19] <robert_ancell> RAOF, that change in 0.21 was just to remove the backwards compatibility right?
[00:19] <RAOF> Yes.
[00:20] <robert_ancell> Do you happen to know when the behaviour changed? I might just not bother keeping LightDM backwards compatible because it's too hard with Mir and practically it probably wont matter.
[00:20] <RAOF> Hm, actually, I think that MIR_SERVER_HOST_SOCKET has *always* been the correct thing to do.
[00:20] <RAOF> And we just automatically set MIR_SERVER_HOST_SOCKET if we found MIR_SOCKET was set.
[00:21] <RAOF> So, just set MIR_SERVER_HOST_SOCKET, and I'll tell you if the nested-platform-becomes-an-actual-platform rework changes things :)
[08:36] <tsdgeos> greyback: it finished compiling :D
[08:44] <greyback> tsdgeos: yay!
[08:46] <tsdgeos> ltinkl: are you going to do https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/fix_qinputdeviceinfo_leaks/+merge/295799 too or want lpotter to?
[08:46] <ltinkl> tsdgeos, yeah, I'd prefer someone else more knowledgeable of the code (lpotter or mzanetti)
[08:46] <tsdgeos> oki
[08:47] <tsdgeos> lpotter: if you're still around can you have a look at it? ↑
[08:50] <tsdgeos> ltinkl: how do you feel about https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/fix_uninitialized_use/+merge/295805 ?
[08:52] <ltinkl> tsdgeos, the first 2 are obvious, the 3rd one... need some context, sec :)
[14:05] <mterry> tsdgeos, in silo 59, is there anything that would cause the CardTool tests to be slow?
[14:05] <tsdgeos> yes
[14:05] <tsdgeos> maybe
[14:05] <tsdgeos> :D
[14:05] <tsdgeos> i mean there was a branch that made things slower
[14:05] <tsdgeos> but i thought i had fixed cardTool to be fast again
[14:05] <mterry> tsdgeos, we failed autopkg tests because qmluitests timed out.  And running them manually, it seems slow
[14:05] <tsdgeos> maybe i only made it on card
[14:06]  * tsdgeos tries to remember the name of the branch
[14:06] <tsdgeos> E_TOO_MANY_BRANCHES
[14:07] <tsdgeos> yes https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/make_dash_test_more_stable/+merge/294127
[14:07] <tsdgeos> probably needs the same fix of tst_card on test_cardtool
[14:07] <tsdgeos> let me have a look
[14:09] <tsdgeos> there's only one such construct in cardTool
[14:09] <tsdgeos> mterry: is it noticeably slower than trunk
[14:09] <tsdgeos> ?
[14:09] <mterry> tsdgeos, I will test... but first I wanted to let the current run finish...   it's been a long time.  like 20 min at least
[14:10] <tsdgeos> locally?
[14:10] <mterry> tsdgeos, yeah
[14:10] <tsdgeos> that's bad :D
[14:10] <mterry> tsdgeos, lp:~ci-train-bot/unity8/unity8-ubuntu-yakkety-landing-059 for testing
[14:16] <mterry> tsdgeos, aha, the test finished  :)
[14:19] <tsdgeos> yeah it's another of those goddam parentless findChild
[14:20] <tsdgeos> let me go over the test that have those and make sure they didn't get slow too
[14:41] <tsdgeos> mterry: ok, pushed to the branch, should be better now
[14:41] <mterry> tsdgeos, oh thanks!
[14:41]  * mterry will rebuild


 Raspberry pi webcam with 3d printed case and tripod mount. I made this from several parts I found on thingiverse, combined. It lets her view her fishtank while she is away
 It uses mjpegstreamer which is a very light weight camera/web server package supporting both streaming and snapshot modes with customizable parameters.  The rpi zero handles 1080 video alright. But does 720p like a champion.
 @govatent, I don't have any of these near me so I have not given it much of a look. From a savings standpoint, Shell still wins with between 3 and 5 cents per gallon on each fill-up. This bonus goes to 27-30 cents a gallon when T-Mobile Tuesdays does shell
 But I like my Samsung reward points
 I haven't used Samsung Pay since they don't support Simple.
 @ahoneybun, What phone are you using now?
 Samsung S9
 @ahoneybun, Ah. You are missing out. Samsung pay has so many advantages that I would strongly advise you to change banks. Or at least get a cash back credit card for daily purchases - just pay it off in full each month from Simple
 I see not reason to move from Simple. I love using it and it works for me.
 I would break down with any other bank.
 I have been able to maximize reward points between Discover, Citi, Amex and Capital One to net me over $2000 in cash back over the past 16 months
 That does not interest me since your just using a credit card to pay for things and then pay it off.
 I know myself way to much to do that.
 @ahoneybun, You can ask for a low limit to keep your spending under control. The one I carry with me normally has a 1,000 limit. I intentionally asked for them to lower my limit as this is not enough to get me in trouble. Capital One will reduce it to $200 if asked
 Does shell let you pay with samsung pay? That's a reason I use Exon. I can activate the pump remotely from the app with Samsung pay
 @govatent, Only if you go into the store and pay with MST at the register. Not ideal but it works
 Then again, I don't use as much gas as I used to since I have been working from home more than normal
 I'm using more gas then before now with the new office being where it is and no more city transportation.
 @KMyers i'm grabbing my supercon ticket now
 @Ivoriesablaze, Ok, I will do the same later today
 @RazPi ?
 saturday single day, right?
 They may have battle tech stuff
 Yes
 Ordered
 likewise
 i forgot to put in the 5% discount code, though, lol
 @Ivoriesablaze - did you want to meet over here on Friday and head over on Saturday
 @KMyers I might be heading to NC that week
 @AdamOutler Fishcam! I'm cycling my fishtank atm, soon to get fish. Was hoping to put together a pi-enabled fish feeder at some point. Doesn't the pi zero include a hardware h264 encoder?
 sure
 Wait isn't supercon the 12th?
 Right it is, got it
 start's on the 12th, we're going on the 14th
 3 days before my birthday, lol
 @AdamOutler OMX may support the newest h264 hardware encoding, but I'm not sure if its still encumbered by licensing issues. I'd be keen on finding out more about this, as I want to learn how to submit frames to the hardware encoder. Most support 4:2:0 planes in hardware.
 I'm not sure. I just know I get 7fps at 1080
 My wife has a auto feeder that is on a wheel and it slides one square of food off per day.  I think a rpi would be overkill
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTfOnGZUZDk


 @Io Note4 - Rocco, My opo is being weird too!
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/0J4pl48J.png
 (Video, 24s) https://irc.ubports.com/VDJ6xj5O.mp4
 @PhoenixLandPirate, I love that startup screen though...
 @amolith, in my case when Dekko2 is released :)
[05:17] <ubptgbot> <Io Note4 - Rocco> @PhoenixLandPirate, Yesss, also for me
 Only two major issues now prevent me from start using my Pro 5 with xenial as daily driver: … 1) Camera app not launching at all (https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/667) … 2) Calendar crashes every time I launch it (https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/656) … Otherwise I am good to go. Of course a working G
[07:29] <ubptgbot> PS would be nice, but I am not depending on it.
 Some info for @h4ppycup which might be useful to others 😋
 Fwd from fourloop2002: FYI I have a Nexus 5 D821 which was not able to make or receive phone calls on either 15.04 or 16.04.  I reinstalled Android, tried LineageOS, and attempted multiple log monitoring. ofono scripts, etc, etc.  Eventually I changed my service provider and now I can make and receive phone calls.  So it
[08:37] <ubptgbot> appears that the frequency bands your service provider uses for each of the services phone calls, SMS, MMS and mobile data can break the phone.  Try different service provider(s) to see if this solves your issue.  Good luck!
 trouble with nextcloud account: bq E5 16.04 r95  when i try to enter my owncloud it always give me "Invalid host URL" i have https:// for my nextcloud. anybody here know what to do?
 It could be related to self-signed certificates (message is misleading in that case).
 @TomasOqvist, I confirm the issues for what concerns the camera app and the GPS which doesn't work at all on my Pro5.
 @Ingo_FP_Angel, its a letsencrypt ssl certificate on my server. do you know how to fix it?
 No, sorry. I would have assumed a Letsencrypt certificate would work.
 So are notifications for the Telegram app still broken on Xenial?
 yes
 just making sure I'm not alone :B
 https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/602 supposedly fixed already but it still doesn't seem to register with ubuntu one for some reason, oh well
 Those problems are patchy. Seems related to registration, so it affects some accounts but not most 🤔
 odd.
[10:28] <duud> developers here? hammerhead doesn't use the deep-sleep states on 16.04, probably a wakelock issue. Can someone assist me pls how to check powerstates/wakelocks on ubuntu touch?
 duud, grabbing and releasing wakelocks should be announced in /var/log/syslog
 Otherwise it'll be in ~/.cache/upstart/unity8.log
 @duud, thats related to? https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/674
 It's probably just from observation rather than a bug report
 #674 doesn't seem to affect arale at all
[11:42] <duud> UniSuperBox:Thx, 'cat /sys/kernel/debug/wakeup_sources' reveals the deep-sleep is prevented by grep msm_serial_hs_dma. This is a bleutooth device
 duud, do you have one connected?
[11:44] <duud> UniSuperBox: No, bluetooth is disabled on the phone
 Hmm. I'm not sure then.
[11:50] <duud> How are services managed on UT? In particular, how to stop all bluetooth related services like '/usr/sbin/bluetoothd'?
 `initctl list` with and without sudo will give you a full list of running services, then `stop service` will do what you desire
[11:54] <duud> Thx, the bt service is probably opening the bt-device without properly notifying it to release the wakelock
[12:11] <duud> killing '/usr/bin/hciattach' releases the wakelock, so there seems to be power management issues in the bluetooth stack. I'll check if hammerhead goes into deep-sleep after killing hciattach
[12:25] <duud> UniSuperBox: Is there something like a maintainer for hammerhead? I'm not sure how ubports is organized.
 The number of developers pretty much means "the developer" is "the project"
 Yes, opo camera app, zoom function works!
 16.04 that is
 Pro 5 camera worked perfectly up until xenial r91
 :(
 r329
 And flash 😃
 So next thing could be the phone gets permission to use the microphone so I can make a call?
 @duud, Bluetooth is 99% upstream in normal Ubuntu and with the Bluez package. There is not much special what is done for Ubuntu Touch itself
 @Flohack, there was a different (newer) build of bluez in the overlay ppa. if we're building xenial without that now, and it wasn't copied to ubports, perhaps there is a regression
 Yay new version of Ubuntu Touch R429 already released. Downloading now 😊
 also, there are definitely some differences, as i have a bluetooth device that would pair and work fine with bluez on even the vivid image on nexus 4, but would not pair with the same bluez build on my PC on 16.04, nor the backported version from 18.04 on 16.04, but does work fine with 18.04 installed.
 so there is definitely something going on with blueooth i think, that is not quite the same as stock ubuntu
 Yes the overlay might be, except that someone said, it was just the xenial version put into it. But we can check this
 @Flohack, it was not. there was a newer version in xenial overlay, than is in stock ubuntu 16.04, as well
 Hmm interesting
[13:52] <sander^home> Hi. Looks I cant turn off wireless network when I try to share a network connection.
[13:52] <sander^home> the wireless network is most likely blocking becouse its a non funtioning network now
[14:02] <duud> Flohack: msm_serial_hs_dma definitely holds a wakelock all the time preventing hammerhead from going deep sleep. I'm not sure how bt-power-management is supposed to work. Android usually has a bluesleep service running on hammerhead - this is not the case on 16.04
[14:09] <duud> btw. hammerhead is pretty usable on 16.04 beside video recording not working and more importantly the battery drain/ wakelock issue
 @duud, In 15.04 the wave lock works?
[14:10] <duud> sry no idea, I've installed ut for the first time a couple hours ago
 You should try vivid and compare to be have more a realistic input
 In vivid the battery drain is ok
 Not amazing just ok maybe you are having the same experience with xenial
 In comparison to android
[14:16] <duud> malditobastardo: I don't think this is necessary. It's pretty easy to see what's keeping the device from going into deep sleep, just by doing 'cat /sys/kernel/debug/wakeup_sources'. After killing '/usr/bin/hciattach' hammerhead goes properly into deep sleep on 16.04.
 @malditobastardo, i'm guessing there's a regression with bluetooth
 [Edit] You should try vivid and compare to have a more realistic input
 Understood. Thanks for the answers
 I will hold the jump to xenial then
 Battery drain is a huge deal
[14:31] <duud> malditobastardo: It's pretty possible that 15.04 is having the same issue
 @duud, Could you please open a detailed issue in the bug report?
[14:42] <duud> Yes ofc, not sure when. Where are issues tracked?
[14:43] <Beton> duud: https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/ i think
 @duud, https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues
[14:48] <duud> thx
[15:00] <duud> done
 this has been asked several times, but, as I am too stupid, how can I make SSH via USB working on startup?
 @IGNNE, ... SSH via USB?
 ssh_exchange_identification: read: Connection reset by peer
 That is all I get. There is something listening, but it immediately drops the connection
 @IGNNE, you need the phablet-shell script
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/XigRHzOl.null
 But I have no adb, I am just (again) trying to port my device. I get the Usb-Network-Interface, I can set the IP and route, I can ping the device but it won't connect to ssh
 https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/advanceduse/ssh.html
 Well yes, but what is the error you're getting @IGNNE?
 (Plug for @ubports_porting
 [Edit] (Plug for @ubports_porting)
 oh well, initial porting is a different issue i guess
 @UniversalSuperBox, Yes, I forgot there is this other group. Sorry!
[18:21] <duud> Just go give you an impression about the difference in power consumption. The battery died after about 6-7h without using the phone, now it's on 85% after 6h. The battery is pretty old but as you can see the difference is huge.
 @duud, thats a lot
 duud, you are our hope for getting a fix for the battery life
[18:42] <duud> I'm not familiar with the bluetooth stack in ut, I also don't know how power management is supposed to work on the android side on hammerhead. So for now I simply kill /usr/bin/hciattach as I'm not using bluetooth anyway - but with this 16.04 is perfectly usable now. Maybe someone with more understanding will take a look at it.
 I will test on vivid in a few minutes
 @advocatux, turns out Pdfjsviewer *does* work in 16.04, but it seems to need a reboot to show up in the apps list and to be used with File Manager as an 'open as' option.
 @advocatux, [Edit] turns out Pdfjsviewer does work in 16.04, but it seems to need a reboot to show up in the apps list and to be used with File Manager as an 'open as' option.
[18:51] <duud> malditobastardo: also check the output of 'cat /sys/kernel/debug/wakeup_sources' it reports the total time each wakelock was hold, in particular the line containing msm_serial_hs_dma, this one was preventing my phone from going into deep sleep.
 @ronnietucker 👍
 Same on N5/vivid
 @duud, Thanks I will follow your instructions because we were speaking with @advocatux about using `sudo killall hciattach` to do it, etc
 https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/676
 @malditobastardo, pkill, not killall
 @dohbee, Why?
 Xkill
 pkill -9 is always good
 pkill was the best bet
 kill process_number
 [Edit] pkill -9 was the best bet
 @amolith, because `killall` behavior on linux is not the same as other unixes. `sudo killall` on sunos/solaris for example would kill all running processes
 `pkill` is the correct way to kill all instances of a process name matching a pattern
[19:05] <duud> isn't it funny, we have a killall command on UNIXes ;)
 or i guess i should say `GNU killall` behavior is non-standard, rather
 @dohbee, Hmm. I've always used `killall`. Time to change another habit 😉 Lol thank you
 so yeah, pkill is "safer" everywhere, so good practice to use it even when killall does the same thing :)
 Going with the standard and "safe" route is always best.
 @duud, Good thank you
[19:11] <duud> this irc channel is forwarded to telegram via ubptgbot, right?
 @duud, Yes that's now it works I believe Duud
[20:12] <ubptgbot> Ivanuzzu was added by: Ivanuzzu
 @Ivanuzzu, Welcome Ivan. Amazing name :P
 Be sure to check out ubports.com/telegram-welcome to learn more about UT
 Hi
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/NrdhxYBz.webp
 sorry :)
 I nave only one question, i would install this OS on my nexus 4, but it is possibile use android ap with anbox?
 @Ivanuzzu, Iirc anbox is not supported on n4
 not on Qualcomm devices yet, needs debugging
 (can I make a wish?)
 [Edit] sorry :), I accidentally clicked on a sticker. Not sure if I deleted it for everyone so please ignore it is still there.
 @NotKit, Sure :P
 Go ahead
 So, in a future can be possible? I love this OS, but needs app 😁
 @Ivanuzzu, it's the plan
 OK, thanks for information
 If I understood it right for Anbox all kernels need to be recompiled. Are there sources for every supported device?
 Yes
 Is anbox broken because of kernels being too old?
 Kernel is under the GPL, the user space drivers are not
 @VeryOriginalUsername, No
 Normally it installs the binder driver as a module. Since we already have a binder, it gets interfered with
 And also module loading is sticky and DKMS is an unlikely dream
 And messy. DKMS is messy.
 @UniversalSuperBox, technically we don't need separate binder driver, but patch the existing one to support namespaces
 at least this kinda works for 3.10 on SF
 @UniversalSuperBox, especially when you're not entirely debian based
 (Photo, 802x630) https://irc.ubports.com/zHDbple0.png why is that?
 @NotKit, Yep
 @RaphaelItsMe, Is your device unlocked?
 Already some news about if the UBports FileManager does support SFTP file exchange?
 @ignorare, it works now,  version 0.13 did not work on my ubuntu 18.04. version 0.12 did the job
 @UniversalSuperBox, it works now,  version 0.13 did not work on my ubuntu 18.04. version 0.12 did the job


[00:14] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: i have to head out for a bit soon to take kid to doctor in case you need me
[00:14] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: no, I'm good for now
[00:45] <menn0> babbageclunk: bug 1641824 is fixed right?
[00:45] <mup> Bug #1641824: Migrating a model back to controller fails: model XXXX has been removed <model-migration> <juju:In Progress by 2-xtian> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1641824>
[00:46] <babbageclunk> menn0: hmm - all but the last case.
[00:48] <babbageclunk> menn0: I need to chase down the stuff that calls the NewHandlerArgs.Connect function and ensure that it calls release on the state at some point. I tried a while back but got lost in all the component stuff.
[00:50] <menn0> babbageclunk: ah right. that rings a bell.
[00:50] <menn0> babbageclunk: critical for 2.1?
[00:51] <babbageclunk> menn0: oh hey, you fixed that bit to use my stateForRequestAuthenticatedTag func - that should make it easier.
[00:53] <menn0> babbageclunk: hooray :)
[00:53] <menn0> babbageclunk: that rings a bell too :)
[00:53] <babbageclunk> menn0: I guess so - state leak on any model that uses resources.
[00:53] <babbageclunk> menn0: sorry - I mean, I guess it's critical in that case.
[00:53] <menn0> babbageclunk: if you can find to take a look before the release goes out that would be awesome.
[00:55] <anastasiamac> babbageclunk: menn0: this week only beta release is going out (beta3), first week of Jan - rc1 (tentative), 2nd week final (tentative too)... just an fyi \o/
[00:56] <babbageclunk> menn0, anastasiamac: I'll take another look now.
[00:56] <menn0> anastasiamac: ok thanks
[01:00] <babbageclunk> menn0: Ok, I think I see how to do it now.
[01:03] <anastasiamac> menn0: thumper: Ci is still seeing this issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1620438
[01:03] <mup> Bug #1620438: model-migration pre-checks failed to catch issue: not idle <ci> <intermittent-failure> <regression> <juju:Fix Committed by thumper> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1620438>
[01:03] <anastasiamac> the latest failure was on Dec 13.... on 2.1
[01:04] <anastasiamac> menn0: thumper: is there a backport that needed to happen?
[01:06] <menn0> anastasiamac: not sure when the fix was made. thumper ?
[01:07] <anastasiamac> menn0: last PR on the bug was merged 14 days ago...
[01:07] <anastasiamac> menn0: and since it went into develop... I am guessing the issue is not fixed :(
[01:08] <menn0> anastasiamac: or the test is trying to start a migration before the model has actually finished deploying
[01:09] <anastasiamac> menn0: http://reports.vapour.ws/releases/issue/57ce2d2b749a563a65a52631
[01:09] <menn0> anastasiamac: let's reopen it for now
[01:09] <anastasiamac> menn0: or that :)
[01:09] <menn0> so we don't forget
[01:10] <anastasiamac> menn0: doen
[01:10] <anastasiamac> done even
[01:21] <menn0> anastasiamac: that last resource migration PR landed btw
[01:21] <anastasiamac> menn0: \o/ (I saw)
[01:21] <anastasiamac> menn0: well done
[01:21] <babbageclunk> menn0: What's a charm I can deploy that uses resources?
[01:23] <menn0> babbageclunk: cs:~cmars/mattermost
[01:23] <menn0> babbageclunk: that actively uses them
[01:24] <menn0> babbageclunk: etcd uses a resource too but it's only tied to a specific action
[01:24] <menn0> babbageclunk: just a placeholder resource after deploy
[01:24] <menn0> depends what you want to test
[01:24] <babbageclunk> menn0: wow, the resources stuff doesn't have good test coverage, huh? I just changed the signature of several bits and still have a know nil pointer exception in my code but I can't make any of the tests fail.
[01:24] <babbageclunk> *known
[01:25] <menn0> babbageclunk: yep :(   I've found a bunch of places where there's no tests at all
[01:25] <menn0> babbageclunk: fixing one of those now while fixing a bug
[01:32] <anastasiamac> menn0: should bug 1649738 be targeted to 2.1.1? or later like 2.2?
[01:32] <mup> Bug #1649738: migrations should support renaming of models <model-migration> <juju:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1649738>
[01:33] <anastasiamac> menn0: my understanding that 2.1.1 should b mainly bug fixes for 2.1.x rather than new functionality..
[01:33] <menn0> anastasiamac: 2.2 is more realistic given that it's potentially a big piece of work but alexis suggested 2.1.1
[01:34] <menn0> anastasiamac: depending on where model names are still used to tag things, it might be quite small/easy or big/horrible
[01:34] <anastasiamac> menn0: k. this means alexisb has a plan \o/ will go with her suggestion :D
[01:34] <anastasiamac> menn0: well, we are all about extremes nowdays - nothing in the middle ;)
[01:39] <alexisb> babbageclunk, validation complete :)
[01:39] <alexisb> thank you
[01:40] <babbageclunk> alexisb: yay!
[02:15] <menn0> thumper, anastasiamac or babbageclunk: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6702
[02:16]  * anastasiamac looking
[02:22] <menn0> thumper: so what do we want the policy to be wrt downgrades with migrations?
[02:23] <menn0> thumper: 1.2.4 to 1.2.3 is ok?
[02:24] <anastasiamac> menn0: lgtm
[02:24] <menn0> thumper: that is, only check major.minor?
[02:24] <menn0> anastasiamac: tyvm
[02:25] <anastasiamac> menn0: anytime (...almost) \o/
[02:26] <babbageclunk> menn0: to make mattermost use resources, do I need to deploy it with an overriding resource, or is just deploying it enough?
[02:26] <menn0> babbageclunk: with mattermost, deploying it is enough
[02:26] <babbageclunk> :(
[02:26] <babbageclunk> I can't get it to hit my problem code.
[02:27] <menn0> babbageclunk: the mattermost binary distribution is a resource, used during the install hook
[03:01] <wallyworld> menn0: thumper: is there a meeting today?
[03:01]  * thumper votes no
[03:01] <wallyworld> sgtm
[03:02] <menn0> wallyworld: I'd forgotten about it. I vote no as well.
[03:04] <thumper> menn0: re downgrade, I'd suggest patch only
[03:04] <thumper> so 2.0.3 -> 2.0.2
[03:04] <thumper> 2.1.0 -> 2.0.2 seems more dodgy
[03:05] <menn0> thumper: cool, that's what I've done.
[03:05] <thumper> menn0: we don't have a way to negotiate a version to talk to
[03:05] <menn0> thumper: basically, patch, build and tag are ignored
[03:05] <thumper> what if 2.0.3 modifies the descritpion format and 2.0.2 doesn't understand
[03:06] <menn0> thumper: 2.0.3 shouldn't do that
[03:06] <menn0> thumper: it's for bug fixes only
[03:06] <thumper> we should ensure that is the case then
[03:06] <menn0> thumper: the description format should arguably only be allowed to change if the minor version increases
[03:06] <thumper> something to add to a checklist
[03:07]  * thumper is testing HA pubsub branch
[03:07] <menn0> thumper: or we can allow downgrades only if the build or tag is different?
[03:07] <jam> menn0: did you still want to meet in an hour?
[03:07] <thumper> I like your first idea better
[03:07] <thumper> ensure that the descirption format doesn't change in bug fix releases
[03:08] <menn0> jam: i'm happy to skip. lots of little bits of tidy up for the 2.1 release.
[03:08] <jam> menn0: sgtm, hope you have a good day.
[03:08] <jam> btw, I agree with the "major.minor" stuff
[03:08] <anastasiamac> menn0: resources fix landed on 2.1... if ther is a chance plz forwardport to 2.2 (develop)
[03:08] <menn0> jam: and we only just had the sprint
[03:08] <jam> though we have *not* been good about keeping real differences out of the micro releases
[03:09] <menn0> anastasiamac: not forgotten. I have a list of branches to forward port and that's on it.
[03:09] <anastasiamac> jam: mayb it should b our NY resolution :D
[03:09] <anastasiamac> menn0: \o/
[03:09] <menn0> jam, thumper: i'm not sure how we robustly enforce it...
[03:10] <thumper> I'm not sure we can effectively...
[03:10] <thumper> could just be convention
[03:10] <thumper> and beatings
[03:11] <anastasiamac> a cycle on a team that supports users?
[03:12] <menn0> anastasiamac: that's just crazy talk...
[03:13] <menn0> so a checklist then ... where to keep it?
[03:14] <anastasiamac> menn0: part of review checklist? along with the item of 'did u consider upgradability?'
[03:14] <menn0> anastasiamac: but it's more of a thing to check at review time
[03:14] <menn0> anastasiamac: when commiting a PR you don't always know which version of Juju your change is going to land in
[03:15] <menn0> thumper, jam: there's a problem with relaxing the migration version check: post-migration you end up with a model with agents that are running tools ahead of the controller
[03:15] <anastasiamac> menn0: hmmm if only we had some set of rules that could check codebase...
[03:15] <thumper> menn0: no...
[03:16] <thumper> menn0: we shouldn't support that
[03:16] <thumper> consider this
[03:16] <thumper> migrating from 2.0.2 -> 2.0.3 controller
[03:16] <thumper> the model doesn't change
[03:16] <thumper> it is still 2.0.2
[03:16] <thumper> you can migrate it back then
[03:16] <thumper> but if you upgrade the model
[03:16] <thumper> nada
[03:16] <thumper> sorry
[03:16] <thumper> no move back for you
[03:17] <menn0> thumper: well that's already supported as it is now, without my PR
[03:18] <thumper> that is what we need to support...
[03:18] <thumper> I don't think we should support other than that
[03:18] <menn0> thumper: ok... well that works right now
[03:20] <menn0> thumper: what's missing is that we don't check controller versions, only the model version to the target controller version
[03:20] <menn0> thumper: there's a gap there where the model might be compatible with the target controller but the source controller is ahead of the target controller, meaning that migration API support might be missing
[03:20] <menn0> thumper: fixing that now
[03:22] <thumper> ok...
[03:22] <thumper> but ...
[03:22] <thumper> hmm...
[03:23] <thumper> so testing that target controller version >= source controller version, or just patch levels behind, yes?
[03:23] <thumper> menn0: ^^ that
[03:23] <menn0> thumper: quick HO?
[03:23] <thumper> sure
[03:28] <babbageclunk> menn0, thumper: could one of you take a look at https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6703
[03:29] <babbageclunk> It fixes the resource state leak.
[03:31] <babbageclunk> I'mm'a go for a run
[03:31]  * babbageclunk goes for a run
[03:43] <babbageclunk> gah, no I'm not - still doesn't work
[03:45] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: i'll have a PR ready for review a bit later, after your EOD. if you could look when you start tomorrow that would be greate
[03:45] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: wilco
[03:46] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: it's to change how register remote relation works so we can remove a hack needed to lookup the remote app id on the consuming side
[03:47] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: have u seen this one? remoteRelationsSuite.TestRemoteRelationsDead got nil instead of changes: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1646861
[03:47] <mup> Bug #1646861: remoteRelationsSuite.TestRemoteRelationsDead got nil instead of changes <ci> <intermittent-failure> <regression> <unit-tests> <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1646861>
[03:47] <wallyworld> that got fixed last week IIANM
[03:48] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: do u have a PR? and do u know what branch it landed on?
[03:48] <wallyworld> develop
[03:48] <anastasiamac> before we branched?
[03:49] <wallyworld> https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6685
[03:49] <wallyworld> no idea
[03:49] <wallyworld> maybe after
[03:49] <anastasiamac> according to http://reports.vapour.ws/releases/issue/58418a80749a5656beeae59f, it was seen on Dec 12 on 2.1
[03:50] <wallyworld> must have been after then
[03:50] <wallyworld> backport time
[03:50] <anastasiamac> could u plz backport to 2.1? u may need to consider if it needs to b on 2.0 too
[03:50] <anastasiamac> \o/
[12:19] <voidspace> jam: ping
[12:19] <jam> voidspace: ?
[12:20] <voidspace> jam: hey, you said you thought you'd seen code explicitly discarding constraints  when there is placement
[12:20] <voidspace> jam: above the container creation level
[12:20] <voidspace> jam: and indeed the bundledata spec explicitly states this to be the case (but we'd like to change it)
[12:20] <voidspace> jam: I wondered if you recalled whereabouts you'd seen this code?
[12:21] <jam> voidspace: checking
[12:21] <voidspace> jam: I don't *think* the charm package itself discards this information
[12:25] <jam> voidspace: I don't see it right now. It was just something I came across in the past, might have been in lots of places as I've been digging in a lot of code lately.
[12:25] <voidspace> jam: ok, no problem
[12:26] <voidspace> jam: I'll keep digging
[12:26] <voidspace> jam: it is explicitly documented in charm bundledata - so I'll construct a test to see if it does come out of that package
[12:33] <jam> voidspace: I didn't think it was there, I thought it was somewhere like worker/provisioner
[12:59] <voidspace> jam: rick_h: juju deploy ubuntu --constraints="mem=888M" --to kvm:0
[12:59] <voidspace> jam: rick_h: the constraint is honoured and works
[12:59] <voidspace> jam: rick_h: definitely bundle specific
[13:39] <jam> voidspace: good to know, sad to hear :)
[14:05] <alexisb> perrito666, ping
[14:11] <perrito666> alexisb: pong
[14:11] <perrito666> sorry was taking a pill because yesterday I used my back in the wrong way
[14:12] <perrito666> plus my internet is down :p good thing I have a backup internet
[14:12] <perrito666> feels like monday
[14:17] <alexisb> perrito666, it is monday for you isnt it?
[14:17] <perrito666> it is, nad I have not had a Monday so Monday in months
[14:18] <alexisb> perrito666, to help improve your monday...
[14:18] <alexisb> I have a bug for you
[14:18] <alexisb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1640210
[14:18] <mup> Bug #1640210: Restore-backup model is not usable because upgrade in progress <ci> <intermittent-failure> <regression> <restore-backup> <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1640210>
[14:18] <perrito666> also something triggered my differencial breaker in the office so after EOD ill have to run a full diagnostic to make sure nothing is leaking current
[14:18] <alexisb> your favorite kind of bug
[14:19] <alexisb> perrito666, please dont burn your new house down
[14:19] <perrito666> alexisb: lol, lovely, Ill jump on it since my pending work from the sprint is awaiting for axw's patch to merge
[14:20] <alexisb> I knew you would appreciate that bug ;)
[17:32] <voidspace> wallyworld: ping - don't suppose you're around yet?
[17:41] <perrito666> brb, relocation
[17:42] <perrito666> voidspace: he will be here in about 5 hs
[17:43] <alexisb> voidspace, wallyworld typcially starts around 9PM UTC
[17:46] <voidspace> alexisb: thanks
[17:46] <voidspace> perrito666: I guess I'll catch him later tonight
[17:46] <voidspace> I have questions about the bundlechanges packages
[17:46] <katco> voidspace: it's a lie; he is omnipresent
[17:46] <voidspace> haha
[17:46] <katco> voidspace: he's watching right now
[17:46] <voidspace> katco: that would be nice...
[17:47] <jam> frobware: voidspace: do you know if we ever implemented the default space as a configuration setting?
[17:47] <voidspace> no-one has much experience with bundlechanges, but as usual it's more wallyworld's fault than anyone else
[17:47] <voidspace> jam: I don't believe so
[17:47] <jam> I'm wondering if "machine.AllSpaces" should be returning the default space if nothing else has been specified
[17:48] <voidspace> jam: it would be better for us always to be explicit about spaces
[17:49] <voidspace> jam: so machine.AllSpaces can always tell the truth
[17:50] <jam> voidspace: well at some point we need to do *something* when requesting a container or machine that doesn't have a "--bind" or "--constraint space=" set
[17:50] <jam> so *something* has to determine that the container/machine needs to go in the default space
[17:51] <jam> voidspace: is there a bit of code that knows about the default space, or is it just that we let MAAS/EC2 give us a machine, which can be in any subnet/space ?
[17:51] <jam> voidspace: theoretically there was supposed to be a default space that you would bootstrap into (detected at bootstrap time if nothing else supplied)
[17:52] <jam> the extra cheap has is that it is the one that is named "default", but that especially feels bad on MAAS where you want to name them something meaningful to you
[17:52] <voidspace> jam: my goodness, this was a while ago and you're making me think
[17:52] <voidspace> jam: yep, on maas you should be able to specify which is the default
[17:53] <voidspace> jam: I don't think we *enforce* the restriction that every machine must be in "the controller space", we just assume that everything is routable
[17:54] <jam> voidspace: right, but there should also be a default space that applies to all machines when you don't specify something
[17:54] <voidspace> jam: for ec2 we always have a default space and we don't let you remove spaces
[17:54] <jam> which is not the controller space
[17:54] <jam> but if you specify *nothing* then controller = default = whatever we bootstrap into
[17:54] <voidspace> yep
[17:54] <jam> voidspace: but is that *named* default, or is it a named space that we treat as default ?=
[17:54] <jam> named "default"
[17:55] <voidspace> jam: bah, so my understanding was a named space called "default" as it wasn't configurable
[17:55] <voidspace> jam: I may be incorrect I'm afraid though
[17:56] <voidspace> jam: gah, it's near EOD and I have my head in the bundlechanges code - I ought to be able to navigate this though
[17:57] <jam> voidspace: sorry to distract you. good luck
[17:57] <jam> voidspace: able to trace the calls through?
[17:57] <voidspace> jam: no problem, I'm annoyed it isn't clearer
[17:57] <jam> (for containers, if you haven't specified anything, but end up on a machine, if *it* is in a single space, then it seems ok to just use it)
[17:58] <voidspace> yep, that has to be true
[17:58] <jam> but that feels more like it should have only picked a machine that would have fit in the first place
[18:46] <natefinch> rick_h, katco: currently add-credential requires a parameter specifying the cloud to which you're adding a credential.  Do we want to make that optional?  It would be more consistent with add-cloud if you could run interactive with zero args
[18:47] <rick_h> natefinch: not at the moment
[18:47] <rick_h> natefinch: for now let's leave that part
[18:47] <natefinch> rick_h: yeah, outside the scope of this PR, you're right
[18:47] <rick_h> natefinch: i agree that in interactive mode that's the consistent work we want, but there's bigger fish to fry atm
[19:13] <fengxia41103> Any document on developing juju provider?
[19:15] <perrito666> back
[19:16] <redir> fengxia41103: There's this https://github.com/juju/juju/wiki/Implementing-environment-providers
[19:19] <natefinch> ruh roh  juju.tools.lxdclient client_instance.go:278 while removing instance "juju-e2f2ef-0": Failed to destroy ZFS filesystem: cannot open 'lxd-pool/containers/juju-e2f2ef-0': dataset does not exist
[19:21] <natefinch> hmm... that might be fixed by now, realized this is an old test
[19:21] <natefinch> er old test run
[19:59] <natefinch> mgz, sinzui: is there something wonky with the representative tests?
[20:00] <natefinch> abentley: ^
[20:00] <natefinch> http://juju-ci.vapour.ws/job/github-check-merge-juju/441/
[20:00] <mgz> natefinch: they have sadly been pretty wonky for a while
[20:00] <mgz> anything in particular? I'll look.
[20:00] <natefinch> 19:30:24 ERROR cmd supercommand.go:458 failed to bootstrap model: refreshing addresses: instances not found
[20:01] <mgz> oh, that message again... that's a new(ish) thing masking real problems
[20:02] <mgz> natefinch: means the lxd container didn't come up
[20:02] <mgz> natefinch: machine is probably full or similar again
[20:02] <mgz> natefinch: request, can you send a message to a list, any list, mentioning that the check job is failing your branch?
[20:03] <mgz> I've been fixing this stuff as people mention it and I think the overall message about things being screwed has not propogated upwards
[20:05] <redir> brb reboot
[20:18] <abentley> sinzui: could you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~abentley/juju-ci-tools/manual-endpoint-xfail/+merge/313274 ?
[20:25] <natefinch> mgz: will do
[20:38] <abentley> mgz: Do you suppose it's because the representative tests can run concurrently?
[20:46] <redir> how does one relate application in different models?
[20:46] <redir> applications
[20:46] <mgz> abentley: I think that is certainly a factor
[20:48] <abentley> mgz: test_check_token_win_remote_failure is failing on my machine.  Is this due to your "OSX/Windows client tests now more useful" changes?
[20:53] <rick_h> redir: that's the cross model relations work that wallyworld is driving and is behind a feature flag
[20:53] <rick_h> redir: what makes you ask?
[20:54] <redir> rick_h: OCR trying to verify QA but I don't know the spelling for making that relation.
[20:54] <redir> rick_h: on a CMR bit wallyworld has a PR for
[20:54] <rick_h> redir: juju relate model/application:endpoint I think
[20:55] <redir> figured I'd dig up the spec if the lazy IRC didn't help
[20:55] <redir> ahh / I tried :
[20:55] <redir> but that's already used, duh.
[20:58] <redir> doesn't work. I bet I need to run with a feature flag or something
[20:59] <rick_h> redir: yea, need to have the FF enabled, probably at bootstrap time
[20:59] <wallyworld> redir: rick_h: that syntaxt isn't used yet. for now you 1. offer "juju offer mysql:db local:/u/me/mysql" and 2. relate "juju relate wordpress local:/u/me/mysql". steps 1 and 2 are done in different models
[20:59] <rick_h> wallyworld: doh! ok I wasn't sure
[20:59] <wallyworld> tis ok, all wip
[20:59] <redir> wallyworld: what's the FF magic incantation?
[21:00] <wallyworld> ff is called "cross-model"
[21:14] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: sorry, still going through yours - thumper tried to trick me into looking at one of his, he was all "he's asleep, he won't mind"
[21:14] <wallyworld> lol
[21:16] <babbageclunk> Alice is taking the baby birds we found in our Christmas tree to the SPCA.
[21:16] <redir> Nice
[21:24] <natefinch> mgz, abentley, sinzui: is there a fix for the representative tests machines?  I can't land stuff right now because I don't know if the representative tests pass.  I mean, I guess I could just ignore it and try to merge anyway, but that seems bad.
[21:25] <rick_h> natefinch: what branch is this?
[21:25] <redir> babbageclunk: are you looking at 6707
[21:25] <redir> ?
[21:26] <natefinch> rick_h: the add cred updates and model status stuff
[21:26] <rick_h> natefinch: so the add-cred updates we were going to hold until beta3 is tagged?
[21:27] <natefinch> rick_h: right, right, sorry, got distracted by the test failures
[21:27] <rick_h> natefinch: all good
[21:27] <rick_h> natefinch: might as well hold both at this point since we're looking to tag just to not introduce anything the day of please
[21:27] <rick_h> natefinch: and that'll give folks time to look and correct things
[21:27] <natefinch> rick_h: sure thing
[21:27] <rick_h> natefinch: ty for the email
[21:28] <babbageclunk> redir: yeah, wallyworld emailed me it last night
[21:30] <redir> oh
[21:31]  * redir stops looking
[21:32] <wallyworld> redir: sorry, i thought you we almost done and when babbageclunk stood me up in favour of thumper i figured you would come to the rescue :-)
[21:32] <redir> well QA checked out
[21:33] <wallyworld> good cause it worked for me too
[21:33] <redir> and I got as far as that one comment.
[21:34] <redir> but I know babbageclunk is working on CMR with you so prolly more useful to have him looking at it
[21:34] <wallyworld> yeah
[21:34] <natefinch> trivial port anyone? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6710    +10 -40, exactly same code merged into 2.1
[21:35] <anastasiamac> natefinch: ports do not need review unless they r vastly different from original
[21:35] <natefinch> anastasiamac: cool
[21:35] <anastasiamac> natefinch: self-stamp :D
[21:42] <alexisb> wallyworld, ping
[21:42] <wallyworld> yo
[21:42] <alexisb> do you mind if we meet early for our 1x1?
[21:43] <alexisb> I am ready anytime
[21:43] <wallyworld> alexisb: sure, give me 10?
[21:43] <alexisb> yep meet you in the HO
[22:32] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: reviewed, sorry for the delay!
[22:32] <wallyworld> np at all ty
[23:14] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: changes pushed
[23:32] <perrito666> I am getting a few mins late to standup caught in traffic
[23:33] <thumper> perrito666: no standup today
[23:34] <perrito666> Oh didn't know, why?
[23:35]  * perrito666 stops driving like a mad man
[23:35] <perrito666> Irc on the phone is fantastic for traffic jams
[23:35] <thumper> perrito666: due to not many people
[23:37] <veebers> thumper: hah, the one time since I'm back that I remember about the standup and it's not happening :-)
[23:44] <redir> well looks like bluejeans isn't happening either
[23:44] <perrito666> I wanted to try my new webcam :p
[23:47] <redir> so maybe bluejeans is working fine, but chromium 53 is not.
[23:47] <menn0> redir: i'm on chromium 53 and bluejeans appears to be working
[23:47] <redir> menn0: don't update
[23:49] <redir> or something. Appears related to https://sslmate.com/blog/post/ct_redaction_in_chrome_53
[23:49] <redir> which is definitely happening for me on other sites (smile.amazon.com)
[23:50] <redir> and if I look at the network requests when loading bluejeans I see that error too
[23:50] <redir> this started after I updated and rebooted today.
[23:53] <anastasiamac> menn0: redir: chromium did not work for me with bluejeans. had to use chrome :D otherwise i had no sound
[23:58] <redir> are we not having standups this week or just today?


[16:30] <tyhicks> hello
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[16:31] <tyhicks> jdstrand: you're up
[16:31] <jdstrand> hi!
[16:32] <jdstrand> in terms of what I planned to work on last week, I spent a lot of time on the bpf caching PR. I also did a lot of miscellaneous snappy PR and store reviews and I helped with an embargoed issue (unplanned)
[16:32] <jdstrand> the greengrass-support interface is now merged. Once I'm given a working devmode snap
[16:32] <jdstrand>  I will test it in strict mode and make any necessary policy adjustments
[16:32] <jdstrand> this week I plan to:
[16:32] <jdstrand> - continue to be response to the racy profile generation fixes PRs (ie, bpf caching and system-key). The bpf caching PR is pretty close to merging and shouldn't take too much more of my time
[16:32] <jdstrand> - pickup the password-manager-service interface work
[16:32] <jdstrand> - work on the overlayfs/apparmor/snaps investigation by filing various bugs
[16:32] <jdstrand> - finish the snappy-debug work to work with journald as have time
[16:33] <jdstrand> - miscellaneous snappy policy updates as have time as have time
[16:33] <jdstrand> that's it from me
[16:33] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you're up
[16:33] <mdeslaur> I'm in the happy place this week, and it's a short week for me, I'm off on friday
[16:33] <mdeslaur> I'm currently releasing glibc and exim4 updates
[16:33] <mdeslaur> I'm working on ruby updates too
[16:34] <mdeslaur> I have a bunch of stuff to test this week
[16:34] <mdeslaur> that's about it
[16:34] <mdeslaur> hrm, steve's not here...who's next?
[16:34] <tyhicks> me
[16:34] <tyhicks> I'm on bug triage this week
[16:34] <tyhicks> I'm currently working on evaluating fscrypt for home dir encryption
[16:35] <tyhicks> still need to finalize a final design aspect of the seccomp logging patches
[16:35] <tyhicks> book upcoming travel
[16:35] <tyhicks> I have a remaining ecryptfs kernel patch to review
[16:36] <tyhicks> I will also help leosilva with the update publishing process and possibly with bug triage duties
[16:36] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[16:36] <jjohansen> urk
[16:36] <jjohansen> so I am working on publishing some USNs
[16:36] <tyhicks> jjohansen: I know you're busy with other things so just a few quick words is fine
[16:37] <jjohansen> I have some LSS stuff to take care of working on the schedule, book hotel and flight
[16:37] <jjohansen> I have some more upstream review, and investigation to finish
[16:38] <jjohansen> I have the namespacing patch set to push out an RFC for
[16:38] <jjohansen> and I need to get working on the networking/unix socket patchset so I can get an RFC up for it soon, as its the going to be the largest and most picked at of the outstanding work
[16:38] <jjohansen> I think that is it for me
[16:39] <jjohansen> I don't see sarnold yet, so back to you tyhicks
[16:39] <tyhicks> chrisccoulson_: you're up
[16:39] <chrisccoulson_> I've got a thunderbird update to do this week
[16:40] <chrisccoulson_> I'll also be spending some time trying to figure out how maintainable spidermonkey is
[16:40] <chrisccoulson_> also an embargoed issue
[16:40] <chrisccoulson_> That's me done
[16:40] <ratliff> I'm in the happy place this week
[16:40] <ratliff> I will continue working through updates for UC15
[16:41] <ratliff> Any remaining time will be spent on technical content and reporting.
[16:41] <ratliff> leosilva: your turn
[16:41] <leosilva> I've finished testing a libnl3 update for 12.04 ESM and I'll be publishing it soon
[16:41] <leosilva> I'll pick up another security update
[16:41] <leosilva> I'm also planning to try to train on one of the generalist's rotational roles.
[16:42] <leosilva> it's for me
[16:42] <leosilva> tyhicks: it's back to you
[16:42] <tyhicks> thanks
[16:43] <tyhicks> I don't see sarnold so we'll move on
[16:43] <tyhicks> he's on CVE triage duty this week and is working on MIRs
[16:43] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[16:43] <tyhicks> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[16:43] <tyhicks> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[16:43] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/gradle.html
[16:43] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/python-tablib.html
[16:43] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/batmand.html
[16:43] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/nagvis.html
[16:43] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/k4dirstat.html
[16:43] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[16:43] <tyhicks> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[16:45] <tyhicks> jdstrand, mdeslaur, jjohansen, sarnold, ChrisCoulson, ratliff, leosilva: Thanks!
[16:45] <tyhicks> #endmeeting
[16:45] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Jun 19 16:45:16 2017 UTC.
[16:45] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-06-19-16.30.moin.txt
[16:45] <jjohansen> thanks tyhicks
[16:45] <ratliff> thanks, tyhicks!
[16:46] <jdstrand> tyhicks: thanks!
[16:46] <leosilva> tks tyhicks !
[16:46] <mdeslaur> thanks tyhicks
[19:00] <rbasak> o/
[19:00] <sil2100> o/
[19:00] <bdmurray> o/
[19:03] <sil2100> bdmurray: did we get any nominations for cyphermox's place?
[19:03] <cyphermox> o/
[19:04] <rbasak> Quorum!
[19:04]  * rbasak falls out of his chair
[19:04] <bdmurray> Its not quorum because cyphermox isn't on the dmb.
[19:05] <rbasak> Oh :-(
[19:05] <bdmurray> Who wants to be the meeting runner?
[19:06] <sil2100> I could
[19:06] <sil2100> Should be a quick meeting
[19:06] <sil2100> #startmeeting DMB
[19:06] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jun 19 19:06:18 2017 UTC.  The chair is sil2100. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[19:06] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[19:06] <sil2100> #topic Review of previous action items
[19:07] <sil2100> I don't think we have too many of those, on the agenda I only see the one action from rbasak regarding Aron's request
[19:07] <sil2100> rbasak: did that get resolved in the end?
[19:07] <rbasak> I just followed up. I propose that we consider my action item done now, unless happyaron replies?
[19:07] <rbasak> (in which case we can pick it up as new work again)
[19:08] <sil2100> Ok
[19:08] <sil2100> Since we don't have anything else, let's move on
[19:08] <bdmurray> Works fo me
[19:09] <sil2100> #topic Board business
[19:09] <sil2100> A separate topic for that, I guess we're currently officially missing one person in the DMB
[19:09] <sil2100> Like, from the required 7-people
[19:10] <sil2100> + some others stopped attending
[19:10] <bdmurray> That's true we never received nominations when I sent the 2nd call out.
[19:10] <sil2100> cyphermox: did you want to re-apply?
[19:10] <cyphermox> yes
[19:10] <sil2100> ...you're in! DONE, let's go home
[19:11] <sil2100> Kidding, but yeah, in this case we only have one candidate, so I guess no voting here is needed?
[19:11] <bdmurray> rbasak: One idea we discussed at our sprint was reducing the number of members.
[19:11] <bdmurray> sil2100: but Adam's membership expires shortly
[19:12] <sil2100> We're anyway operating usually with 4-5 people
[19:12] <rbasak> bdmurray: wouldn't that make our lack of average attendance worse? Or is it really to reduce quorum?
[19:12] <rbasak> In which case, perhaps we should reduce quorum while keeping the membership size the same?
[19:12] <rbasak> (we might have to ask the TB for that)
[19:13] <sil2100> We could, but as said we anyway basically have 4-5 active board members
[19:14] <sil2100> And there doesn't seem to be much interest from other people to join the DMB
[19:14] <bdmurray> I guess its really to reduce quorum but we also have a few members who don't make meetings often.
[19:14] <sil2100> At least from the recent call for nominations
[19:14] <bdmurray> Is it worth keeping them on?
[19:15] <rbasak> Perhaps we should ask them. I appreciate the effort to try to sort this out, but I'm not sure that reducing the size of the DMB will help, as in the long term that just means that we have a smaller pool to try to find quorum from.
[19:15] <rbasak> OTOH, as you point out, we may not have much choice.
[19:16] <rbasak> But in that case, perhaps we can just leave some seats vacant, with a reduced quorum?
[19:16] <bdmurray> Leave them vacant with a permanent "help wanted" sign?
[19:17] <rbasak> Perhaps, yes. I haven't thought through possible consequences of this mind.
[19:18] <rbasak> And we could also ask the absent members if they want to step down, which would reduce our quorum (depending on its exact definition, but I think all would consider not counting vacant seats reasonable).
[19:18] <bdmurray> Okay, so we don't have quorum now in this meeting so I think the first bit of work should be getting cyphermox re-added for some period of time.
[19:18] <sil2100> Should we write down an action item for that?
[19:18] <rbasak> https://launchpad.net/~developer-membership-board/+members says he's current, until 4 August?
[19:19] <sil2100> Oh, indeed, wait, but we saw him being expired right?
[19:19] <bdmurray> Oh somebody sync'ed up him with Adam.
[19:19] <sil2100> I guess that's sorted out then..?
[19:20] <sil2100> I wonder who though
[19:20] <bdmurray> Not for long...
[19:20] <bdmurray> So which members should we reach out to?
[19:20] <rbasak> All those not here, IMHO.
[19:21] <sil2100> +1
[19:21] <rbasak> (which would then cover everyone)
[19:21] <sil2100> Who would like to get this action item?
[19:21] <bdmurray> If there are 3 people then 3 people can take it.
[19:22] <bdmurray> Rather than giving 1 person all the work lets divy it up.
[19:22] <sil2100> #action rbasak, bdmurray and sil2100 to ask absent DMB members if they want to continue being part of the DMB
[19:22] <meetingology> ACTION: rbasak, bdmurray and sil2100 to ask absent DMB members if they want to continue being part of the DMB
[19:22] <rbasak> ack
[19:23] <sil2100> Should I go and ask infinity maybe? Although I think I already can guess his answer
[19:26] <cyphermox> sil2100: bdmurray: infinity synced my expiration to his.
[19:26] <sil2100> Even with this covered we really need to discuss what next - maybe there will be more interest in a wider call for nominations? Maybe we should announce that somewhere else as well? bdmurray did you send it to the devel ML too?
[19:26] <sil2100> cyphermox: ah, ok
[19:26] <bdmurray> It made it to the fridge and stuff
[19:29] <bdmurray> rbasak: Could you draft an argument for why we should reduce quorum and keep the member count at 7?
[19:30] <rbasak> OK
[19:30] <bdmurray> At one point in time I thought someone mentioned you didn't *need* to be a core-dev to be on the dmb.
[19:30] <rbasak> I do recall that. Though I am dubious at the proposition TBH.
[19:31] <bdmurray> rbasak: The TB just reduced their member count IIRC - so maybe there's a reson for that.
[19:31] <rbasak> IIRC the TB reduced to become odd without sabdfl for draw-breaking purposes.
[19:32] <bdmurray> cyphermox, sil2100: Do you have an opinion on non core-devs in the DMB? My thought was if its okay we might get more applicants.
[19:33] <bdmurray> I'm not saying I'm in favor of it though.
[19:33] <sil2100> hm, wasn't it like that?
[19:33] <cyphermox> well the usual point was that not being a core-dev, you weren't as much in a position to evaluate on things you haven't necessarily done before
[19:33] <sil2100> I remember someone mentioning being part of the DMB while being MOTU
[19:33] <cyphermox> but I'm not sure even opening it to all developers will necessarily improve the response to calls for nominations
[19:34] <cyphermox> I think we've already been working with MOTUs and core-devs in the DMB in the past, it was never "just core-devs"
[19:35] <sil2100> I have no strong opinion here, but I would like someone to have at least MOTU privilages personally
[19:36] <sil2100> Although core-devs seem to be the best fit for board members, especially as per what cyphermox said
[19:36] <bdmurray> That's enough of a consensus for me then.
[19:37] <cyphermox> there's nothing wrong with not being in the core-dev or MOTU teams and being on the DMB per se
[19:37] <cyphermox> the idea is that those who evaluate applicants should be trusted, contributing members of the developer community (and that's why we submit DMB applicants to vote by the developer community at large)
[19:38] <rbasak> It's possibly not up to us anyway, but the TB.
[19:38] <cyphermox> the "knowing what you're talking about part" is kind of a side-effect of being able to get the votes to be elected.
[19:39] <rbasak> ...except when we can't get enough nominations for the seats available.
[19:39] <jbicha> I wasn't here earlier in the meeting, have you gotten any nominations yet?
[19:39] <cyphermox> in that context, we don't have much choice but to reduce numbers, or do away with the DMB altogether and let the TB deal with the applications
[19:39] <bdmurray> jbicha: No, we didn't really.
[19:40] <sil2100> jbicha: are you interested in nominating yourself?
[19:40] <jbicha> I was thinking about applying; I guess my biggest hesitation was the 2 year committment
[19:41] <bdmurray> That's only 52 meetings if that
[19:41] <jbicha> lol
[19:41] <bdmurray> We won't expect you on holidays
[19:42] <jbicha> ok, I'll go ahead and put my self-nomination in, probably later today
[19:43] <rbasak> Thanks!
[19:43] <sil2100> jbicha: thanks!
[19:43] <sil2100> Ok, I guess there's not much more we can discuss here, right?
[19:43] <bdmurray> sil2100: we should clarify who is following up with the inactive members. you have infinity?
[19:44] <sil2100> bdmurray: yeah, I'll take infinity
[19:44] <bdmurray> I can talk to ben, that leaves micah.
[19:45] <rbasak> That means me I think?
[19:46] <sil2100> Once we know how many 'free seats' we'll be having we can resume our discussion on what to do next
[19:47] <sil2100> Since from expirations we'll have 2 seats free but we already have 2 candidates, so that's settled - now depending if the inactive members want to still continue or not
[19:48] <bdmurray> rbasak: you or cyphermox
[19:51] <sil2100> rbasak: will you take care of micah?
[19:52] <rbasak> ack
[19:52] <bdmurray> sil2100: cyphermox should officially nominate himself too
[19:53] <cyphermox> I did send an email weeks ago
[19:53] <cyphermox> I will send it again
[19:53] <sil2100> You did? I probably missed it, a re-send would be welcome
[19:53] <bdmurray> Was it during the 1st call or the 2nd call?
[19:53] <sil2100> We'll re-visit the situation next week
[19:53] <sil2100> I mean, next meeting
[19:53] <sil2100> Anything else for board business?
[19:54] <bdmurray> That's all I can think of.
[19:54] <sil2100> #topic Any other business
[19:55] <sil2100> I guess no other business as well?
[19:55] <sil2100> Let's call it a day then
[19:55] <sil2100> #endmeeting
[19:55] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Jun 19 19:55:24 2017 UTC.
[19:55] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-06-19-19.06.moin.txt
[19:55] <sil2100> Thanks everyone o/
[19:57] <rbasak> Thanks sil2100!


[00:00] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: yo, translations, all that needs done it 1) bind a gettext domain that isn't already used (just a string, I think 'desktop-effects' is already set but suspect that's already used by another app) 2) mkdir po; xgettext --language=Python *py -o po/domain.pot
[00:01] <nosrednaekim> so how do you bind a gettext domain?
[00:01] <nosrednaekim> I looked around for like 30 minutes for a tutorial...
[00:02] <Riddell>       gettext.bindtextdomain(localesApp, localesDir) gettext.textdomain(localesApp)
[00:02] <Riddell> if DesktopEffectsKDE.py is anything to go by
[00:04] <nosrednaekim> ok
[00:05] <nosrednaekim> so desktop-effects-kde should be open?
[00:05] <Riddell> seems like a good choice
[00:07] <nosrednaekim> in the second command, domain should be replaced by desktop-effects-kde then?
[00:08] <Riddell> should be the first argument yes
[00:10] <nosrednaekim> so it would be "mkdir po; xgettext --language=Python *.py -o po/desktop-effects-kde.pot"?
[00:11] <Riddell> should be
[00:12] <nosrednaekim> ok
[00:35] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: ok, did that, but some of my strings are being translated.. I gotta rewrite some code....
[00:35] <nosrednaekim> or write some period...
[00:36] <nosrednaekim> *aren't
[00:39] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: like what?
[00:39] <Riddell> you mean they don't appear in the .pot file?
[00:42] <nosrednaekim> yeah.. I wasn't calling the translate function for stuff in the UI
[01:32] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: all done... uploading
[01:40] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: where is the branch again?
[01:41] <nosrednaekim> https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-users/guidance/desktop-effects-kde
[01:41] <nosrednaekim> here is a bug that should be fairly easy to fix as well... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/desktop-effects-kde/+bug/219731
[01:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 219731 in desktop-effects-kde "Missing dependency on python-qt4" [Undecided,New]
[01:42] <Riddell> ok, let me know when you commit
[01:42] <nosrednaekim> ok
[01:50] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: commited
[01:50] <nosrednaekim> uhh oh... don't make a package... just a moment
[01:55] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: uhhg stupid indent errors...
[02:00] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: ok.... done!
[02:02] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: want to add a changelog?
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> uhh, sure..... how?
[02:04] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: dch -i
[02:04] <Riddell> edit
[02:04] <Riddell> save
[02:04] <Riddell> bzr commit
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> ok
[02:04] <Riddell> install devscripts to get dch
[02:05] <nosrednaekim> call it 0.4?
[02:05] <Riddell> yes
[02:07] <nosrednaekim> done :)
[02:17] <Riddell> uploaded, thanks nosrednaekim
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> you are welcome. Sorry I haven't been working on the printer config... I had to take placement tests for the Uni.
[02:18] <Riddell> good luck
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> done now..... what needs to be done most? I can't do samba because I don't have anything to test with.
[02:21] <Riddell> more printer config
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> so  like page size and such?
[02:22] <Riddell> most of it is hidden in hardy
[02:22] <Riddell> yes
[02:22] <Riddell> and add a printer needs work still
[02:23]  * Riddell snoozes
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> ok
[02:56] <yuriy> evening
[02:56] <Jucato> morning
[02:56] <Jucato> :D
[03:00]  * yuriy is in Chicago : )
[03:01] <Jucato> kool!
[03:01] <Jucato> meeting up with nixternal
[03:01] <Jucato> oh wait, he's at Penguicon (where is that anyway?)
[03:04] <ScottK2> Somewhere in Michigan.
[05:44] <mluser_> any other hardy gamers having problems running world of warcraft with the latest ati driver updates?
[05:52] <ScottK2> mluser_: #ubuntu+1 is probably a better place for that question.
[05:54] <mluser_> ScottK2: thanks, I already asked there and got no reply, thought I'd try here too :)
[05:56] <ScottK2> mluser_: It's really quite off topic for a development channel.
[05:59] <mluser_> ScottK2: Well.. it pertains to hardy which is a development version and my problems started with the latest fglrx drivers from two weeks ago
[06:01] <ScottK2> mluser_: It's late and I'm tired, so I'm not going to get in an argument with you, but "Is anyone having this problem with the development version" is what +1 is for.  No here.
[06:02] <mluser_> ScottK2: Thanks for the tip.. I'll ask again there
[08:00] <Tonio_> hi there
[08:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: still time for a latest kdesudo upload ?
[08:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: I fixed the last little issue we talked abouand took time to test everything, should be okay now
[08:10] <\sh>  /whois Tonio_
[08:11]  * \sh needs to make a <nick> <-> <real name list>
[08:11] <\sh> Tonio_, aren't you core dev? :)
[08:12] <Tonio_> \sh: what is the problem ?
[08:13] <\sh> Tonio_, I'm always forgetting realnames for the people I know actually :)
[08:15] <Tonio_> \sh: :)
[08:15]  * \sh 's getting old
[08:15] <Tonio_> \sh: is is the missing "ubuntu/member/tonio" for my realname that sounds strange ?
[08:16] <\sh> Tonio_, no...this cloaking is not the problem...but I really thought you're already core dev because of kubuntu
[08:18] <Tonio_> \sh: I am core :)
[08:19] <\sh> Tonio_, so upload ,)
[08:19] <Tonio_> \sh: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh !!!!!!
[08:19] <Tonio_> \sh: hehe, yes but sometimes I prefer to ask Riddell, depending what moment in the dev cycle we are ;)
[08:19] <\sh> break kde ;)
[08:20] <\sh> Tonio_, you mean, if you made a mistake, but riddell uploads, we could blame him? ;)
[08:20] <Tonio_> \sh: true that :)
[08:20] <\sh> lol
[08:21] <\sh> ok...new coffee and another smoke..before our scrum daily
[08:21] <Tonio_> \sh: and also since the archives are frozen, that's a polite way to say "hey, don't forget to approve the upload, dude !!!!!!!!"
[08:21] <Tonio_> ;)
[08:26] <\sh> right
[08:49] <etretyak> Hi everyone!
[14:40] <davmor2> Riddell: I'd forgotten that dapper was the bubbly background :)
[14:46] <Riddell> davmor2: kwwii made that in a day, what a genius
[14:46] <davmor2> Riddell: :)
[14:47] <davmor2> just doing upgrade tests at the mo just started on the kubuntu ones :)
[14:55]  * jpatrick sees encrypted HDs in installer
[14:56] <Riddell> davmor2: how are you upgrading from dapper?
[14:57] <davmor2> haven't got that far yet let you know shortly :)
[15:01]  * jpatrick looks at http://www.kubuntu-es.org/ and headdesks
[16:25] <nixternal_> oi oi!
[16:25] <nosrednaekim> oy.
[16:42] <davmor2> Riddell: sudo apt-get install update-manager-core && sudo do-release-upgrade --devel-release seems to be working :)
[17:29] <Czessi> ryanakca: ping
[19:28] <nixternal_> hey, anyone here that would like to do an OpenWeek talk?
[19:28] <nixternal_> I have scheduled myself for a Kubuntu Development, KDE 4, and Documentation talk
[19:30] <nixternal_> apachelogger or jpatrick: either of you feel like doing a kde4 packaging talk for OpenWeek?
[19:31] <nixternal_> davmor2: you have been going crazy with ISO testing right?
[19:31] <davmor2> nixternal_: currently running an update fro dapper kub to hardy but yes why?
[19:31] <nixternal_> never mind, I see you are already doing an OpenWeek talk on just that :)
[19:32] <davmor2> nixternal_: I'm involved in 2 if you look closely :)
[19:33] <nixternal_> ya, just seen that :)
[19:35] <davmor2> nixternal_: yes we spoke about it at the last QA meeting and decided it was a good idea to do a session and I was asked if I could help out cgregan with his talk too as I'm testing mobile on xephyr
[19:36] <nixternal_> rock on!
[19:36] <davmor2> nixternal_: plus the pressure is off us for about a month then anyway :)
[19:36] <nixternal_> that is true
[19:36] <nixternal_> jjesse: wasabi!
[19:38] <jjesse> heelo nixternal_ on confrence call
[19:38] <nixternal_> fun fun fun
[20:17] <jjesse> theres nothgin more fun then a day of confrence calls
[20:18] <nixternal> so you think, Penguicon! nuff said, scary, freaky, so wrong in many areas, yet such a blast
[20:49] <Tm_T> hummm, koffice2 is not installable?
[20:49] <ryanakca> Czessi: pong
[20:49] <Czessi> hi ryanakca
[20:50] <Czessi> ryanakca: what is the status of the new kubuntu.org theme?
[20:50] <ryanakca> Czessi: it's done, I'm just waiting for a sysadmin to finish installing the drupal site.
[20:51] <ryanakca> the branch is on LP if you want it
[20:51] <stdin> Tm_T: tried "koffice-kde4" ?
[20:52] <Czessi> ryanakca: yes, then i can start to work for the new kubuntu-de.org site. thanks
[20:52] <Tm_T> stdin: yes, installed IIRC
[20:53] <Tm_T> hmm, from where is this koffice2 package, I wonder
[20:54] <Riddell> from koffice
[20:55] <Riddell> oh, the koffice2 binary might be obsolete
[20:55] <Tm_T> it's there anyway
[20:55] <Riddell> unknown package for me
[20:55] <Tm_T> Filename: pool/universe/k/koffice2/koffice2_1.9.95-0ubuntu1~gutsy1_i386.deb
[20:56] <ryanakca> Czessi: cheers :)
[20:56] <Tm_T> failing to meet dependencies
[20:56] <stdin> in gutsy-backports/universe
[20:56] <ryanakca> Tm_T: *shrugs*, not here, maybe wait for the mirror to update/apt-get update
[20:56] <ryanakca> oh, gutsy-backports, nevermind :)
[20:56] <Tm_T> I'm in Hardy
[20:57] <Czessi> ryanakca: have you the lp link by your hand?
[20:57] <stdin> Tm_T: well ~gutsy1 is a clue ;)
[20:57] <stdin> Tm_T: check your sources.list
[20:57] <ryanakca> Czessi: no, but kubuntu-website -> code -> kubuntu-theme-v2
[20:57] <ryanakca> I can look, just a second
[20:58] <Czessi> ryanakca: ahh, kubuntu-website ;)
[20:58] <ryanakca> Czessi: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-website/kubuntu-website/kubuntu-theme-v2
[20:58] <Czessi> thanks
[20:58] <Tm_T> stdin: aww, true, didn't notice that, must be something what I did mess at some point
[20:58] <Tm_T> bah
[20:58]  * Tm_T hides
[20:58] <Tm_T> should be preparing a show for release event
[21:01] <ScottK> smarter: Would you have a moment to look at Bug 220324 and see if there's any urgent lesson there for us to learn for Hardy.
[21:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220324 in kde-guidance "Guidance-power-manager stopped working after upgrade to Gutsy " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220324
[21:10] <smarter> ScottK: looks like a HAL problem, I'll ask the reporter to try with Hardy and/or gnome-power-manager
[21:10] <ScottK> smarter: Would you please.  I'm a bit tied up with $WORK and motu-release right now.
[21:13] <Tm_T> hmm, white text in KDE4 in places where that shouldn't happen, known?
[21:15] <Riddell> yes
[21:15] <Riddell> something to do with our qt package
[21:15] <Tm_T> ah, I see
[21:15] <Riddell> or rather oxygen's interaction with it
[21:15] <Tm_T> so atm I don't mind or should I try something?
[21:24] <seele> nixternal: that's not a real picture is it?
[21:40]  * awen_ really wants HAL to behave nicely!
[21:40] <nixternal> seele: kind of..I gimped Jono's head onto the body...have you ever seen Tron guy on Jimmy Kimmel or Jay Leno? that is the owner of the body in that picture
[21:41] <nixternal> Tron guy was at Penguicon and I think the only picture with me and Tron guy jcastro has (I hope)
[21:41] <nixternal> Jono has the "look at nixternal partying like a drunk country music singer"
[21:41] <nixternal> picture
[21:42] <nixternal> s
[21:42] <sahin_h> Why there is no default helper application in firefox-3 on Kubuntu Hardy?
[21:42] <ScottK> awen_: Did you see bug 220324 ?  smarter said he thought it was HAL.
[21:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220324 in kde-guidance "Guidance-power-manager stopped working after upgrade to Gutsy " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220324
[21:42] <nixternal> why does KDED keep crashing on me? anyone else having this problem?
[21:42] <ScottK> sahin_h: Because Firefox isn't part of the default installation maybe?
[21:42] <ScottK> We didn't change that did we?
[21:43] <awen_> ScottK: haven't had time looking into it ... what are "we" crashing at?
[21:43] <sahin_h> ScottK: Ok. I accept it. However any possible solution? Or where can I ask this question? What is the proper channel?
[21:44] <sahin_h> ScottK: Maybe #ubuntu+1?
[21:44] <ScottK> awen_: Dunno.  Didn't look closely.  Just hoping someone will look and see.
[21:44] <ScottK> sahin_h: Yes.
[21:44] <sahin_h> ScottK: Ok
[21:44] <awen_> ScottK: right now im looking into bug 218889 ... how can one single button press issue 4 calls from 3 different devices in HAL, horrible
[21:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218889 in kde-guidance "[hardy] HAL reports multiple button presses when brightness keys are pressed only once" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218889
[21:46] <ScottK> It's almost as bad as working on sound stuff.
[21:46] <awen_> hehe... what a cheer-up
[21:47] <Czessi> ryanakca: is the new site available via http so i can take a look?
[21:48] <ryanakca> Czessi: yes :)
[22:01] <awen_> ScottK: from the back trace in bug 220324 it looks like we are relying on an "self.*" variable being avaible that is not written during initialization
[22:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220324 in kde-guidance "Guidance-power-manager stopped working after upgrade to Gutsy " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220324
[22:02] <crimsun> (well, it depends which sound stuff)
[22:03] <crimsun> (app stuff tends to be more tolerable than crackarse audio codec manufacturer quirks)
[22:21] <Nightrose> \sh: *g* great @ last blog entry - I was thinking similar stuff about some of his other postings
[23:59] <ScottK> crimsun: I was thinking of the crackarse audio codec stuff.


[09:03] <nebuchadnezzar> hello
[09:10] <nebuchadnezzar> I successfully build a CD, now I have a base system installation problem, partman-lvm try to install lvm2, it is present on the CD (pool and dists/) but it fails to find it, any idea?
[10:39] <nebuchadnezzar> cjwatson: do you have any idea about my lvm2 installation problem at base system installtion time?
[10:40] <cjwatson> Not without full logs (and possibly a sample .iso, though not as the first resort)
[11:06] <nebuchadnezzar> I'll put an iso and logs on the web ofter lunch
[13:22] <nebuchadnezzar> ok, I think I found the error in the log, it's a gpg signature error of the Release.gpg on the disk
[15:44] <nebuchadnezzar> does it seems problematic to you http://paste.ubuntu.com/5576605/ ?
[15:47] <nebuchadnezzar> There are some Packages.gz which are empty, instead of 20 bytes for an empty gzip file
[15:48] <cjwatson> I'd probably need to see the actual image.  It's hard to tell from an incomplete fragment of log.
[16:02] <nebuchadnezzar> ok, I generate an new ISO without any local preseeding if you want to test it in KVM ;-)
[16:10] <nebuchadnezzar> I uploaded the ISO and the log file http://eoleng.ac-dijon.fr/pub/iso/devel/debug/
[16:20] <cjwatson> OK, thanks.  Will take a while.
[16:21] <cjwatson> eta 4h30m yiks
[16:21] <cjwatson> yikes
[17:02] <nebuchadnezzar> I wonder what kind of line you have ;-)
[18:15] <cjwatson> 2.5Mbps or thereabouts ADSL
[18:16] <cjwatson> And it seems to be sitting at roughly 40-50KBytes/s for this


[02:07] <mup> Bug #1441933 was opened: Internal Server Error when saving a cluster without Router IP <MAAS:New for rvb> <MAAS 1.7:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441933>
[06:26] <dimitern> rvba, ping
[08:06] <rvba> dimitern: hey
[08:07] <dimitern> rvba, hey, it's fine - I needed to confirm that missing lshw data always leads to failed deployments, but roaksoax already did this
[08:08] <rvba> dimitern: okay, cool :).
[08:08] <dimitern> rvba, which means juju should indeed fail when lshw is missing/unparsable
[08:09] <rvba> Right.
[10:21] <mup> Bug #1442059 was opened: 1.8b1 Failed deployment timeout powering on AMT <landscape> <power> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1442059>
[10:33] <mup> Bug #1442059 changed: 1.8b1 Failed deployment timeout powering on AMT <landscape> <power> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1442059>
[10:39] <mup> Bug #1442059 was opened: 1.8b1 Failed deployment timeout powering on AMT <landscape> <power> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1442059>
[12:09] <mup> Bug #1442112 was opened: booting ppc64el with hwe-u kernel hangs in initrd <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1442112>
[12:39] <mup> Bug #1442131 was opened: 1.8b1 redundant owner column on devices page <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1442131>
[13:51] <mup> Bug #1442157 was opened: Manually added node doesn't get added to MAAS managed DNS <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1442157>
[14:21] <mup> Bug #1442162 was opened: Spurious test failure: maasserver.api.tests.test_nodes.TestFilteredNodesListFromRequest.test_node_list_with_ids_orders_by_id <tests> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1442162>
[15:46] <mup> Bug #1442234 was opened: maas-regiond and maas-clusterd clobber logs each time they're started <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1442234>
[17:01] <mup> Bug #1442280 was opened: The ordering of the statuses changes when nodes change status <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1442280>
[17:04] <mup> Bug #1442280 changed: The ordering of the statuses changes when nodes change status <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1442280>
[17:13] <mup> Bug #1442280 was opened: The ordering of the statuses changes when nodes change status <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1442280>
[17:16] <serverascode> Does anyone know if the 1.7.1 deb files for trusty around somewhere? the stable ppa has 1.7.2 which is not working for me, but 1.7.1 is in another install
[17:41] <roaksoax> serverascode: why is it not working?
[17:41] <roaksoax> serverascode: what are you affected by?
[17:42] <serverascode> seems like the region controller doesn't auto configure, " Failed to connect to region controller, cannot upload leases", I don't see interfaces in the cluster in the gui
[17:43] <serverascode> to be honest I don't really have time to troubleshoot it, I have a feeling 1.7.1 will work
[17:44] <serverascode> I'd really like to use and recommend maas, but so far it has been quite the struggle
[18:05] <bmorriso> Morning folks. It seems like MaaS by default installs on the first disk. "d-i     partman/early_command string debconf-set partman-auto/disk `list-devices disk | head -n1`" --  Would I just edit this to something more like "d-i partman-auto/disk string /dev/sdb" to specify the disk I want? I am using Curtin, rather than debian installer.
[18:06] <blake_r> bmorriso: if you using curtin then you will want to change the curtin_userdata preseed
[18:07] <bmorriso> I don't see anything in there specific to partitioning/disk layout
[18:09] <blake_r> bmorriso: that is because by default curitn picks the first disk
[18:09] <blake_r> bmorriso: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10784573/
[18:09] <blake_r> bmorriso: add that to the config
[18:09] <blake_r> bmorriso: change the /dev/sdb to the device you want
[18:10] <bmorriso> Is there a certain place that should go?
[18:10] <blake_r> bmorriso: it can just go at the end
[18:11] <blake_r> serverascode: did you ever get the cluster connected to the region
[18:11] <bmorriso> Thank you very much!!
[18:11] <blake_r> bmorriso: no problem
[18:16] <bmorriso> blake_r: if I wanted to target a specific host with that command? According to this https://maas.ubuntu.com/docs1.7/development/preseeds.html I would do something like "curtin_userdata_ubuntu_amd64_generic_bfs2.poc" ?
[18:16] <bmorriso> With Curtin is there a way to target system information? Either brand of server, or type of disk?
[18:17] <bmorriso> I can give more context if it'd help
[18:17] <blake_r> curtin_userdata_ubuntu_amd64_generic_trusty_bfs2
[18:17] <blake_r> don't include the fqdn
[18:17] <blake_r> just the hostname
[18:17] <blake_r> bmorriso: no real way of doing that
[18:17] <blake_r> bmorriso: you could tag the machines in maas
[18:18] <blake_r> bmorriso: then using the templating system we use, make a conditional on that tag
[18:18] <bmorriso> So tag it UCS/LUN or something similar, then based on those tags, match on the conditional with an "if/else" and I could set the partition that way?
[18:19] <bmorriso> I really don't want to get into managing preseeds per server, rather I'd like to say "If this has a NetApp disk (LUN) or If this is UCS booting from SAN, install Ubuntu on this disk, else install on the first disk"
[18:36] <blake_r> bmorriso: no not that way
[18:37] <blake_r> bmorriso: if you need to do something like that, then you will need to add that logic in the preseed to be processed by the client
[18:37] <blake_r> bmorriso: I was speaking of tags in  maas, like tagging a machine
[18:39] <bmorriso> I'll have to look at the docs to see.
[18:41] <bmorriso> blake_r: I used what you suggested for /dev/sdb but it actually installed it on /dev/sdc http://paste.ubuntu.com/10784781/
[18:43] <blake_r> bmorriso: the order the disks are picked up by the kernel are not persistent
[18:43] <blake_r> bmorriso: so /dev/sdb would have been /dev/sdc in the installer environment
[18:43] <bmorriso> OK. Fair enough. It did what I wanted, which was to _not_ install on the local disks
[18:44] <blake_r> bmorriso: you could use by-id path if you want a specific disk and you know its id
[18:44] <blake_r> bmorriso: ls -l /dev/disks/by-id/
[18:44] <blake_r> bmorriso: that will make sure its that exact disk
[18:45] <bmorriso> this should suffice. I don't hard code paths, the only intention was to ensure it didn't install on the local disks. This is perfect! Thanks for the support. Love this channel/group/project
[19:00] <bmorriso> blake_r: what is the equivalent of "install disk-detect/multipath/enable=true" in curtin? Or is there?
[19:18] <bmorriso> I have this in curtin_userdata_ubuntu_amd64_generic_trusty_bfs2 http://paste.ubuntu.com/10785028/ but it doesn't actually install the package.
[19:56] <bmorriso> Would I not see early or late commands in install.log? Is there a way to see this output?
[19:58] <blake_r> bmorris: try adding .local to the end of that file to see if it gets installed
[19:59] <blake_r> might not be getting used
[20:00] <blake_r> hostname will contain a .local if it was enlisted and not manually added
[20:00] <blake_r> oh I know what's wrong
[20:00] <blake_r> you need that one late_commands
[20:01] <blake_r> and you need to use curtin in-target -- before it
[20:01] <blake_r> without that you are installjng in the booted Ubuntu installed
[20:40] <mup> Bug #1442360 was opened: 1.8b1: Cannot add machine Missing Power Type <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1442360>
[21:01] <bmorriso> blake_r: what you sent earlier, is now getting picked up but it errors http://paste.ubuntu.com/10785782/
[21:04] <blake_r> bmorriso: ah its block-meta not block_meta, my bad
[21:05] <bmorriso> yeah, I looked closer at the output...no worries. Appreciate the guidance. Wish there were more documentation on curtin. Feels like a black box
[21:05] <bmorriso> Is here the best place to ask curtin questions or is there a curtin specific channel?
[21:06] <blake_r> bmorriso: this is the best place, no specific curtin channel
[21:06] <bmorriso> I just hacked together a pretty awesome preseed, and now I have to figure out how to get it all into Curtin.
[21:30] <bmorriso> So my install log shows "Installation finished. No error reported" but the server is just stuck in 'deploying' state http://paste.ubuntu.com/10785977/
[21:30] <bmorriso> It never changes from 'deploying' to 'deployed'
[21:36] <blake_r> bmorriso: the node has to boot again into the new installation and contactaas to
[21:36] <blake_r> maas to be marked deployed
[21:36] <blake_r> check the console of the node to see where it got stuck
[21:37] <bmorriso> It's at the login prompt
[21:37] <bmorriso> it never rebooted
[21:37] <bmorriso> It put the keys on the host
[21:39] <bmorriso> Here is a screenshot http://i.imgur.com/qXCk6Fb.png
[21:42] <bmorriso> I can provide cloud-init.log or cloud-init-output.log if it would be useful
[22:22] <mup> Bug #1442379 was opened: 1.8beta1: 500 error when shutting down node <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1442379>


[06:56] <Guest15> hi, I am trying to install ubuntu 24.04 LTS daily build (current) to my laptop. The live system works but the installer app shows a white blank window. Do anyone have a workaround to install it? thanks a lot.
[06:57] <guiverc> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-desktop-installer/+bug/2043915 I suspect is what you're asking about; you didn't specify which daily ISO (there are many)
[06:57] -ubottu:#ubuntu-next- Launchpad bug 2043915 in ubuntu-desktop-installer "Booting into live session results in try/install page white screen" [Unknown, New]
[06:58] <Guest15> guiverc, I just downloaded from the website, I guess it's the latest current build. 15c3d8cdcfc6c5bcd1c5e240b8d3062825fdd864af8762e9f4d0a3a8fef9b90a *noble-desktop-amd64.iso
[06:59] <Guest15> How come the bug is labelled as Unknown Importance? It should be critical. The installer just doesn't work at all since Nov. It show stopper bug.
[06:59] <guiverc> (there are desktop ISOs, server ISOs... different choices; but default desktop ISO of Ubuntu Desktop noble uses ubuntu-desktop-installer which the bug report I showed relates to... does it match your issue?
[07:00] <guiverc> we're still rather early (alpha) in the release cycle.  I'd not see it as critical at this stage; people if they need to test Ubuntu noble can always use a different ISO/installer....
[07:00] <guiverc> ^ = my 2c/opinion, not fact.
[07:01] <Guest15> Yeah, it should match my issue. I just downloaded the iso from https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/. I have replied the sha256 value of the one I downloaded.
[07:01] <guiverc> but FYI:  The Foundations team will be seeing it as CRITICAL; refer 2nd last comment & who made it.
[07:02] <guiverc> (sorry not comment; unknown->critical; or 2nd last update)
[07:02] <Guest15> Is the broken installer app written by flutter? I heard ubuntu used flutter to develop the installer app some times ago.
[07:03] <guiverc> ubuntu-desktop-installer is the flutter based front-end to subiquity & what you're thinking of..
[07:09] <Guest15> I don't have any positive opinion on flutter. Maybe using flutter is not a good idea. I tried flutter to developer mobile apps. It had many problems and then I gave it up.
[07:09] <Guest15> Are there any workaround to make the desktop version installer work? thanks a lot.
[07:09] <guiverc> it's a bug... bugs happen in every program, esp. complex ones.. it'll get fixed
[07:14] <guiverc> the legacy installer (ubiquity) iso appears disabled so its not there.. you could always use server ISO (& add ubuntu-desktop metapackage), or a flavor ISO & remove flavor desktop then add ubuntu-desktop meta package..   you won't be testing the install process though (given that's what is currently broken)
[07:14] <guiverc> (flavor desktops exist using ubiquity or calamares)
[07:16] <Guest15> I read a forum post and it said 2023.12.12 build is a working build. Where can I get the 2023.12.12 build? Thanks.
[07:18] <guiverc> daily builds from that long ago won't be stored (unless someone stored it for a reason)
[07:19] <guiverc> you can view https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/ to see what is generally available... ie. only recent days
[07:22] <guiverc> Guest15, you may find this thread on UF useful (https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2492322)  as its people talking about issues installing etc the noble dailies
[07:23] <Guest15> Thanks a lot for sharing the thread. I am reading it right now.
[07:24] <guiverc> another option to get to noble is installing mantic (23.10) & `do-release-upgrade -d` etc. to bump yourself to noble
[07:29] <Guest15> Thanks for telling me many ways. The reason why I am trying to install 24.04 is because I don't bother to upgrade in a short time. I am a lazy guy. :)
[07:30] <Guest15> If I install 23.10, I will keep using it until 24.04 stable released.
[07:31]  * guiverc thinks many of us are lazy... can make us efficient as we create tools/ways to achieve what we want in easy ways..
[07:31] <guiverc> if you install 23.10; you can release-upgrade to 24.04 anytime, even before release, that's what the `-d` option is for (ie. bump to development release)
[07:32] <guiverc> `-d` used in release-upgrade tools causes this metafile to be used (https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-development)  instead of the default one which is https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release where noble doesn't yet exist
[07:34] <guiverc> (if you're not familiar with upgrading; the 23.10 page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManticUpgrades maybe useful to review... one hasn't been creaed for noble upgrades yet)
[07:36] <Guest15> thank you very much for all the tips.
[07:36] <guiverc> you're most welcome
[07:38] <Guest15> ^_^
[08:37] <Guest15> guiverc: FYI: by reading https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-desktop-installer/issues/2407, the X11 forwarding way works. Simply run ubuntu-desktop installer in a ssh client, the window shows without any issues in the client. Hopefully, I can complete the installation process in this way. Doing it right now.
[08:37] -ubottu:#ubuntu-next- Issue 2407 in canonical/ubuntu-desktop-installer "Noble installer is an empty white window" [Open]
[14:04] <Guest15> I am trying to manually enable encryption luks partition during installation on 24.04 daily build. But after creating the required luks container, the installer can not really see it. The installer only shows crypto_LUKS partition, instead of the un-encrypted partition. Are there any workarounds? Thanks a lot.
[14:04] <lotuspsychje> Guest15: wich flavour of ubuntu?
[14:05] <Guest15> lotuspsychje, just the default one. official flavour?
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-desktop?
[14:05] <Guest15> yeah.
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> ok
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> Guest15: this is the current bug list for 24.04 so far; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/noble/+bugs?orderby=importance&start=0
[14:08] <Guest15> are there any workaround on this? can I choose another installer instead of the default one?
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> Guest15: i havent tested luks myself on 24.04 yet
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> Guest15: a good starting point would be pastebin collect your errors and share the url in this channel
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> volunteers can take a look for you
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> !paste
[14:10] <Guest15> ok. I feel luks should be the default option. I don't know why ubuntu makes it so hard. MX Linux make luks installation very easy.
[14:11] <lotuspsychje> Guest15: keep in mind 24.04 is still in early devel branch right now, bugs can arise in this stage
[14:13] <Guest15> I knew that. But I mean all ubuntu versions. ubuntu luks installation is never easy. The installer forces user to erase the entire disk, otherwise you have to do it manually with many commands and setup. MX Linux installer just handles it with a few clicks.
[14:15] <Guest15> I am trying to install ubuntu 24.04 for the whole day. The job just can't be done. I never thought ubuntu early devel branch can not even install. very disappointed. I am fine if it breaks and has many bugs. but at least, it should allow people to install it.
[14:17] <lotuspsychje> Guest15: we dont know whats going if you dont share more info/errors, details are crucial if you want help from the volunteers
[14:18] <Guest15> I have mentioned the problem clearly. The installer just does NOT support manual luks encryption. Anyone who tried to install it with luks partitions will see that.
[14:19] <Guest15> well, that is the second installer issue. The first one is white blank window, the workaround is to use X11 forwarding in a ssh client. anyway.
[14:25] <Guest15> Sorry that I have lost my patient. It has been an entire day to try to install ubuntu. Very frustrated. I used ubuntu many years ago. I am trying to switch back to ubuntu. But I never thought it had too many issues in its installer. I think I should stick with MX LInux.
[14:31] <lotuspsychje> Guest15: again, if you agree to test 24.04 now, you agree to encouter possible bugs and not be frustrated about it, and surely at final release this will be fixed
[14:32] <lotuspsychje> if you dont agree, you can try luks on a stable LTS release of ubuntu?
[14:33] <lotuspsychje> you can share your errors and details here with other volunteers too
[14:33] <lotuspsychje> if that can help you can file a !bug
[14:33] <lotuspsychje> cant
[14:33] <Guest15> I have tried luks on stable LTS release. It still requires many manual commands and setup. The installer does NOT support it directly. it supports luks indirectly. Ubuntu just doesn't care of user privacy. LUKS should be the default option.
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> Guest15: thats an opinion/wish you can also file if you like
[14:34] <Guest15> I have been using LUKS for many years now. I can't believe that ubuntu makes it so hard.
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> we got admins here that will co,vert your bug into a wish
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> you are part of the ubuntu community, you can influence the road it goes (if you like)
[14:45] <Guest15> thanks a lot for your words. I am done with ubuntu for now. The ubuntu installer is the worst linux installer I have used for the recent years.
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> the ubuntu installer is new and being worked on currently..
[14:51] <Guest15> not only the 24.04 one. I mean all versions. It does not allow user to choose which partition to encrypt, instead, it forces user to erase the entire disk if the user wants to use luks encryption. Android encrypts drives by default. Windows enables bitlocker by default. Chromebook has encrypted drive by default. Nowadays, everything is encrypted.
[14:51] <Guest15> But ubuntu installer even does not encrypt root partition by default. I just don't understand.
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> the users choice
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> not every user need encryption
[14:52] <Guest15> so why does phone get encrypted?
[14:53] <Guest15> people don't need encryption. mobile phones should allow people to choose.
[14:54] <Guest15> ubuntu installer does not provide a way to choose encryption as I have mentioned. If you want encryption, the installer will erase the first drive.  I want to install linux on the second hard drive, but the installer will erase the first drive for encryption.
[14:58] <Guest15> thank you all very much for the help. I give it up and will leave this channel now. Thanks and bye.