[03:48] <marnanel> I have a program I've been building in a private branch and I just created a project for it.  The docs say I can do "bzr push lp:~marnanel/blog-wrangler/trunk" but that fails with " http does not support mkdir()".  Did I do something wrong?
[03:56] <RAOF> marnanel: You probably need to tell bzr about your launchpad username.  Before you do that, bzr will default to http:// redirection (which is read-only) rather than bzr+ssh://
[03:56] <RAOF> To do this, you'd run "bzr launchpad-login <lpnick>"
[03:58] <marnanel> RAOF: Oh, lovely. *tries it*
[03:59] <marnanel> hm, I don't appear to have that command. But I will try using bzr+ssh:// instead of http://...
[04:07] <RAOF> Hm.  I thought anyone for whom the lp: redirection worked should have launchpad-login.
[04:10] <marnanel> Yay, bzr+ssh:// worked.
[04:10] <marnanel> Thank you for your help.
[05:00] <ubotu> New bug: #197862 in launchpad "Mis-crediting upstream translators as reviewers" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197862
[06:55] <ubotu> New bug: #197889 in rosetta "Users can delete translations" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197889
[07:00] <ubotu> New bug: #197891 in rosetta "Offer version control for translation changes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197891
[08:05] <mdke> is there any plan to have commits to Launchpad branches which are registered under a product series automatically mark bugs with a certain syntax in the commit message as fix committed? A bit like with the Ubuntu uploads?
[08:06] <RAOF> mdke: I'm pretty sure that's already implemented, but I'm not sure about the actual syntax - it may be Fixes: #lpbug or Closes: #lpbug, or something similar.
[08:08] <mdke> ah, that would be neat
[08:11] <mdke> RAOF: I can't find anything in the help wiki at the moment
[08:11] <RAOF> Hm.  Many of the LP/bzr guys will be in London right now for a sprint, and as such not really up now :)
[08:12] <mdke> lazybones
[08:14] <mithro> I wish the LP guys would hurry up and support git :)
[08:14] <RAOF> mithro: As in mirroring git branches to nice, sane bzr?  That'd be nice.
[08:15] <mithro> RAOF: well - just being able to tell launchpad about remove git branches would be nice
[08:15] <mithro> s/remove/remote/
[08:16] <carlos_> morning
[08:17] <mtaylor> ARRRRGGGGG
[08:21] <RAOF> mtaylor: Surely you need to follow such an excaimation up with juicy details?
[08:24] <mdke> i'll second that
[08:25] <ubotu> New bug: #197909 in launchpad "Broken links in Help wiki - "Wiki Destinations" portlet" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197909
[08:25] <mtaylor> every time I upload a package to a PPA that is the first package for that release series the build fails on the first time it tries to read from the non-exsitent local ppa apt repos
[08:27] <Fujitsu> mtaylor: Indeed. Just retry it, and it will work. You only have to do it 5 times, hopefully.
[08:34] <mtaylor> Fujitsu: yup :)
[08:34] <mtaylor> Fujitsu: but it's a little annoying :)
[09:10] <ubotu> New bug: #196106 in language-pack-kde-de "context menu entry "Paste File" [and other dialogs] not translated into German (anymore)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196106
[09:11] <cprov> bigjools: hey
[09:11] <bigjools> cprov: duuuuuuude
[09:12] <cprov> mhr:  welcome
[09:12] <mhr> cprov: cool!
[11:39] <aVirulence> can someone help me out with setting up translations for my  project?
[11:40] <intellectronica> danilos or carlos should be able to help you
[11:42] <aVirulence> see, the problem is the following, I've uploaded a .pot file, but the message remains that we're waiting for review
[11:43] <carlos> aVirulence: I will do a new queue review today, so it should be approved later today
[11:43] <danilos> aVirulence: we do manual approvals (for reasons stated on https://help.launchpad.net/TranslationsImportPolicy)
[11:45] <aVirulence> thanks, I was wondering if I should give myself some rights in order to approve it or that I should wait until someone approved it for me. However, since I uploaded it last Tuesday, I thought I should ask.. ;-)
[11:46] <aVirulence> oh another, thing, since I uploaded the *.pot file, there have been some changes.. I tried to delete the *.pot file I uploaded before and add a newer version, but it gives me "There are 2 errors"
[11:57] <aVirulence> carlos or danilos, any thoughts on that?
[11:58] <danilos> aVirulence: you should be able to just re-upload the file, no need to delete the old one (it may even cause problems if the same file names are used)
[12:00] <aVirulence> danilos, well, the thing is, another contributor also uploaded messages.pot but he did it with (probably) the right directory po/messages.pot that's why I wanted to remove it
[12:05] <carlos> aVirulence: I will handle it. is the content the same?
[12:05] <aVirulence> carlos, perhaps his messages.pot file is a bit more recent
[12:05] <carlos> ok, I will use latest one then
[12:06] <aVirulence> thanks carlos
[12:06] <carlos> np
[12:16] <nelius> hi folks
[12:16] <nelius> i registered my project last week at launchpad.
[12:17] <nelius> how long does it take, till a trunk from subversion gets imported?
[12:17] <nelius> i also uploaded my first po file, how long does it take, till i can start translations?
[12:19] <aVirulence> nelius, I just had the same question, today's another import day
[12:20] <aVirulence> so, later today
[12:24] <nelius> ok, tnkx
[13:03] <carlos> aVirulence: hmm, I don't see anything pending to approve for any project. Which project is the one where you uploaded files to?
[13:04] <aVirulence> LottaNZB
[13:07] <carlos> aVirulence: approved
[13:07] <aVirulence> carlos, thanks a lot :)
[13:15] <aVirulence> carlos, I just uploaded the latest version. I thought that later additions could be uploaded without first needing approval
[13:16] <carlos> aVirulence: that's true, but is not instantaneous
[13:16] <carlos> it would take between 5 and 30 minutes to be imported
[13:17] <aVirulence> ah, thanks again, btw, my fellow contributor uploaded the file with a path po/messages.pot, do you know how to do that?
[13:17] <carlos> aVirulence: he uploaded a tarball
[13:17] <aVirulence> ah
[13:17] <aVirulence> thanks
[13:18] <carlos> np
[13:33] <LarstiQ> elmo: thanks! One of these days I'll have working wifi.
[13:36] <elmo> LarstiQ: welcome
[14:35] <ndazza> hi, is there a way to update my email address in Launchpad? The one i used to sign up with is no longer a valid email account
[15:06] <ubotu> New bug: #198028 in launchpad "Ability to be able to list branches from the command-line" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198028
[15:13] <mrevell> ndazza: Hi. If you no longer have access to that original email address, please create a new Launchpad account using your current email address and then file an admin request (https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion) to ask us to merge your new account with your previous account.
[15:14] <ndazza> ok thanks mrevell
[15:14] <mrevell> np
[16:51] <ubotu> New bug: #198056 in malone "Marking duplicate should also change "master bug" of duplicates" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198056
[16:56] <ubotu> New bug: #198058 in malone "Comments made up entirely of whitespace should be discarded" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198058
[16:58] <afflux> how can I mark the translation of my project in rosetta as "synced"?
[17:02] <carlos> afflux: upload it as 'published' (in the per language upload form) or upload a tarball in the per template upload form if you don't want to go one by one
[17:02] <carlos> afflux: which project are we talking about? I could tell you the direct URLs
[17:02] <afflux> carlos: gdecrypt
[17:03] <carlos> afflux: https://translations.launchpad.net/gdecrypt/trunk/+pots/gdecrypt/+upload
[17:04] <carlos> anything you upload there will be uploaded as 'synced'
[17:04] <afflux> ah, okay
[17:04] <afflux> carlos: will rosetta choose the new "suggestions" from the uploaded POs as the used ones, when the previously selected in rosetta differ?
[17:04] <afflux> or will they be just added as new suggestions?
[17:06] <carlos> afflux: if they differ from what we had imported first, they will appear as suggestions
[17:06] <afflux> okay, thank you
[17:06] <carlos> afflux: otherwise, Launchpad will continue showing the one you upload as the translation
[17:06] <carlos> np
[17:40] <ubotu> New bug: #198075 in launchpad "Check signature of requests to +request-token" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198075
[17:50] <RainCT> Hey
[17:50] <RainCT> Is it possible to link to an upstream bug without registering the project in Launchpad?
[17:50] <RainCT> (for Ubuntu bugs)
[17:51] <salgado> RainCT, nope, but you can register the new project quite easily when linking to the upstream bug tracker
[17:53] <RainCT> salgado: how can I do that?
[17:53] <salgado> RainCT, just click on the "Also affects Product" link
[17:54] <salgado> s/Product/Project
[17:54] <RainCT> yes I'm there
[17:54] <salgado> RainCT, search for the project and if it doesn't show up you'll be offered a link to register it
[17:54] <RainCT> ah, at the bottom
[17:55] <RainCT> Thanks :)
[17:55] <salgado> you're welcome
[17:56] <RainCT> great, BerliOS isn't supported... :P
[18:52] <ubotu> New bug: #198092 in launchpad-bazaar "Should tell the user to run bzr launchpad-login before push lp:" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198092
[19:13] <philn> hi
[19:39] <cyberix> Launchpad allows me to publish my bzr branch for a project even, when the project admins wouldn't want me to do that?C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C
[19:47] <intellectronica> cyberix: sure, that's the cool thing about launchpad code hosting! and why wouldn't the project admins want you to do that? all projects on launchpad are free software, and contributions are always welcome...
[19:48] <cyberix> intellectronica: What, if the project has not been registered?
[19:48] <cyberix> I would not want to admin it as it is not my project
[19:51] <intellectronica> cyberix: what's the project? sometimes we import projects ourselves and then offer them to the real project admins if they want to take over
[19:51] <cyberix> Quite indie atm
[19:51] <intellectronica> cyberix: you could do this yourself, but you probably shouldn't publish your branch as the main branch, but rather import the project's official branch, and then add your own branch for any changes you want to make
[19:51] <cyberix> But I was asking about the general philosophy
[19:52] <intellectronica> cyberix: the philosophy is that this is all free software, and we want to make it as easy as possible for simple to contribute
[19:53] <intellectronica> cyberix: anyway, which project is it? is it hosted elsewhere? you can import CVS and Subversion branches automatically, and you can create 'bug watches' which import the status of bugs from other bug trackers
[19:57] <cyberix> Can I register bzr branches that are not mine?
[20:00] <intellectronica> cyberix: you can import them, but if they are really someone else's, it would be nice to offer them to take over if and when they want to. don't forget that it's free software, you have the right to copy and modify and do whatever you want with the sources as long as you comply with the license
[20:01] <nelius> intellectronica: someone told me today is an "import day"...
[20:02] <nelius> is there any chance to get our project code imported today?
[20:03] <intellectronica> nelius: i'm not really sure what that means, and what sort of import you are expecting. whom did you talk to?
[20:03] <nelius> i just was asking this morning in this channel, if someone knows when svn branches get imorted / or how long it takes.
[20:04] <nelius> the project is tine20, an egroupware fork
[21:26] <goobsoft> Why is it that my PPA packages don't show up in the standard Add/Remove Programs (gnome-app-install) interface?
[21:37] <mpt> Gooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[21:38]  * mpt scowls at NetworkManager
[21:45] <ubotu> New bug: #198142 in launchpad "lauchpad marks strings as 'need review' when none is needing a review" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198142
[22:49] <jkakar> You guys rule.
[22:49] <jkakar> :)
[22:50] <jkakar> I just had my package build for 5 Ubuntu releases in 7 minutes.
[22:50] <jkakar> I'm very happy! :)
[22:51] <ubotu> New bug: #198169 in malone "Filing package bug against project requires far too many page loads" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198169
[22:52] <mpt> jamesh_, is there anything useful we can do with bug 148636?
[22:57] <ffm> what happens once we get really big bug numbers, like<PHONE_NUMBER>7.7 non-terminating?
[23:11] <jamesh_> mpt: other than Launchpad-over-HTTP, I don't know.
[23:12] <mpt> ffm, I discussed that issue in bug 100000
[23:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 100000 in malone "There are still too many bug reports" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100000
[23:14] <jamesh_> ffm: I guess we could always switch to base-64 bug numbers -- that'd shorten them a bit
[23:15] <ffm> jamesh_: how about base36?
[23:15] <jamesh_> ffm: base64 would cut the length by ~ 45%.  Base36 would be just 35%
[23:18] <soren> jamesh_: So 0-9a-z and then what for the remaining ones?
[23:18] <ffm> soren: A-Z.
[23:18] <ffm> soren: and !-*
[23:18] <jamesh> soren: probably just the standard characters used by base64
[23:18] <soren> See, that's where it gets icky :)
[23:19] <soren> jamesh: Um... Good thinking :)
[23:20] <mpt> But we'd have to have some way of avoiding a clash with the bug nicknamespace
[23:20] <jamesh> '+' and '/'
[23:20] <jamesh> mpt: we could base-64 encode the nicknames too
[23:20] <soren> Hah!
[23:21] <jamesh> and require that nicknames contain more bits than the largest bug number
[23:21] <mpt> How would that avoid the clash?
[23:21] <mpt> oh, ok
[23:21] <mpt> So we'd need to decide on a largest bug number
[23:21] <mpt> I propose 640
[23:21] <soren> Is that base64 or base10?
[23:21] <mpt> 640 bugs should be enough for anyone
[23:24] <mwhudson> ba-dum tish


[05:37] <Unit193> !11.04
[05:39] <Unit193> There's instructions on how to upgrade from an end of life release here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[05:39] <Unit193> At the point you're at, I'd rather recommend you re-install.
[05:40] <Unit193> The release you have is non-LTS, and was released in 2011.  It is now 2018, so there's a few jumps to make and I'm not convinced it'd be a smooth ride at all. (You must go from that, to 12.04, to 14.04, to 16.04, then finally to 18.04)
[05:42] <hateball> Yeah 14.04 to 16.04 is not even a supported upgrade
[05:42] <hateball> So take backups and reinstall is probably best
[05:43]  * hateball continues investigating why krunner thinks it is super cool to crash, and kwallet to prompt for migration on each login
[05:43] <Unit193> hateball: Pretty sure it is, that's LTS to LTS.
[05:54] <Daskreech> Did you install /home on it's own partition ?
[06:09] <hateball> Unit193: It is plasma 4->5 that isnt supported iirc
[06:09] <hateball> hehe if you are using 11.04 that would suggest you are not so new, it is 7 years old :D
[06:10] <Unit193> Ah, I see.
[11:31] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:21] <acheronuk> psidhu: p-b-i test build can be found in https://launchpad.net/~rikmills/+archive/ubuntu/bionic
[13:47] <ZeZu> New updates broke both nvidia/nouveau drivers ?
[14:50] <om26er> will Kubuntu 18.10 ship KDE 5.14 at one stage ?
[14:51] <acheronuk> om26er: it will be in backports PPA for 18.10
[14:51] <om26er> acheronuk: ok, How "safe" is https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports-landing to try ?
[14:53] <acheronuk> om26er: several of our regular members/testers have been using it as said things are working well. caveat there is that any .0 or early plasma release will have some bugs, naturally
[14:54] <om26er> acheronuk: ok, I can wait for a week then
[14:54] <acheronuk> a 5.14.1 bugfix release us due on Tuesday, so we will update it to that
[14:54] <om26er> sounds good, thanks
[15:18] <psidhu> acheronuk: Thanks for that build. I've tested a download and playing music off of youtube and things seem to be funcitonal.
[15:19] <psidhu> They also show up in KDE Connect just fine.
[15:23] <acheronuk> psidhu: good to know. thanks for testing. now I'll have to have a think about where and how to supply builds for more general testing
[15:32] <psidhu> acheronuk: definitely. I'll be on the lookout for it.
[17:01] <kinghat> acheronuk: is this not the correct backports ppa? http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu/
[17:02] <kinghat> sorry, for plasma 5.14?
[17:03] <acheronuk> kinghat: at the moment it is in the 'backports-landing' (testing) PPA
[17:04] <kinghat> does it get moved to the one i posted after testing?
[17:04] <acheronuk> that's the idea
[17:05] <acheronuk> though it will probably get updated to 5.14.1 before that happens
[17:05] <kinghat> ok ty
[17:05] <acheronuk> as that is released on Tuesday by KDE
[17:07] <kinghat> ya i read your chat above, i guess i just didnt know there was a backport stage before the one i posted


[02:33] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Alan Pope: Touching joysticks @ https://popey.com/blog/2023/09/touching-joysticks/
[21:57] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue806 up for review and final edits: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue806 :D


[02:50] <pleia2> meeting in 10 minutes o/
[02:54] <ianorlin> o/
[02:55] <caballero> o/
[02:55] <caballero> good evening everyone...
[02:55] <pleia2> evening ianorlin and caballero
[03:00] <pleia2> ok, meeting time
[03:00] <pleia2> #startmeeting
[03:00] <darthrobot> Meeting started Mon Mar  7 03:00:15 2016 UTC.  The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[03:00] <pleia2> #chair ianorlin nhaines
[03:00] <darthrobot> Current chairs: ianorlin nhaines pleia2
[03:00] <pleia2> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/16March06
[03:00] <darthrobot> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/16March06 - Ubuntu Wiki]
[03:00] <pleia2> that's the agenda for this evening
[03:00] <pleia2> #topic Upcoming events
[03:01] <pleia2> it appears the only thing we have coming up is the Ubuntu Hour in SF that I announced on list today
[03:01] <pleia2> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/3328-ubuntu-hour-san-francisco/
[03:01] <darthrobot> Title: [Ubuntu Hour San Francisco | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal]
[03:01] <nhaines> _o/
[03:01] <ianorlin> well also keep in mind next month is April
[03:02] <pleia2> ianorlin: already? x_x
[03:02] <pleia2> so hopefully we will have release parties soon
[03:02] <pleia2> I will chat with nhandler this week to see if Yelp can host again
[03:03] <pleia2> for reference, release day is April 21st
[03:03] <pleia2> I will actually be in town (only barely)
[03:03] <caballero> I am planning with the help of Phil to plan an ubuntu hour in the San Diego area...planning on perhaps the best time would around the release of 16.10
[03:03] <caballero> we are very excited....:-D
[03:04] <pleia2> caballero: great :)
[03:04] <pleia2> sometimes there are doughnuts at those ubuntu hours, I am jealous
[03:04] <nhaines> Release day is my bithday this year.  :D
[03:04] <pleia2> nhaines: woo, nice birthday
[03:04] <pleia2> #topic Announcements
[03:05] <pleia2> beyond events, anyone have any announcements?
[03:06] <caballero> Sorry...just noticed a typo...should've been 16.04
[03:06] <nhaines> caballero: sounds even better.  :)
[03:06] <nhaines> I think the next Ubuntu phone OTA is end of March, and that should have some really nice convergence features.
[03:07] <nhaines> Which means the bq MX10 tablet shouldn't be terribly far behind.  Will be exciting times.
[03:07] <pleia2> yeah, as they have been calling it the first convergence device
[03:08] <caballero> FYI: ubuntu user magazine is due 3/25/2016 for the USA
[03:08] <pleia2> how often is that released these days? quarterly?
[03:09] <caballero> every 4 months
[03:09] <pleia2> aha
[03:09] <pleia2> alright, we can move on from announcements
[03:09] <pleia2> #topic Initial feedback/evaluation of Meetup.com group so far
[03:09] <pleia2> #subtopic How it worked for UbuCon Summit and related SCALE14x events
[03:10] <pleia2> so I think this was sub-optimal
[03:10] <pleia2> everyone had to join the loco in order to rsvp :(
[03:10] <pleia2> that was lots of people from all over the world
[03:10] <pleia2> and meetup doesn't seem to allow people to join an event and not the group (unless I'm missing a setting)
[03:10] <nhaines> It isn't very tidy, administratively.
[03:11] <nhaines> I believe that's true.  Meetup is designed for groups to be topics of interests, not actual groups.
[03:11] <nhaines> At least, that's the focus.
[03:11] <pleia2> I did hear some grumbling about having to join for it, and some people just didn't bother (came to the events anyway)
[03:13] <ianorlin> yeah I don't really like meetup that way
[03:13] <pleia2> any other feedback from how it worked for these events?
[03:13] <caballero> I was getting anywhere form 4 to 7 invitations on a daily basis while Scale 14x
[03:14] <pleia2> caballero: for ubuntu california things, or meetup being spammy in general?
[03:14] <ianorlin> I think the turning in the everpad notes at unconfrence events did not work the best
[03:14] <nhaines> I thought it was interesting to see what other groups people belonged to who joined the Ubuntu California group.
[03:14] <pleia2> ianorlin: talking about meetup :)
[03:15] <nhaines> And it did seem like it gave UbuCon Summit some exposure.
[03:15] <ianorlin> yeah and then I think they might still be getting notificatoins about like say the new ubuntu hour
[03:15] <nhaines> I think this will be beneficial for future events.
[03:15] <ianorlin> which kind of does not help when you are that far away
[03:15] <pleia2> yeah, meetup does help with exposure (I'll get to that in the next subtopic)
[03:16] <pleia2> which seems we're kind of in anyway
[03:16] <pleia2> #subtopic How it's working in general as a team resource
[03:16] <caballero> both: in general it was for everything going on in Scale 14x..and ubuntu too like the party Mark through for the ubuntu community
[03:17] <pleia2> I got a complaint from a member in Pasadena about how the SF Ubuntu Hour was too far away http://www.meetup.com/Ubuntu-California/events/228693398/
[03:17] <darthrobot> [403] Title: [Attention Required! | CloudFlare]
[03:17] <pleia2> heh, bot
[03:17] <pleia2> so meetup is also really not designed for states
[03:17] <ianorlin> pleia2: +1
[03:17] <pleia2> I am sure all you socal people are annoyed at my monthly SF events
[03:18] <nhaines> Doesn't bother me.  I'm quite adept at deleting Meetup emails now.  :)
[03:18] <pleia2> lol
[03:18] <pleia2> also, most of our members are from socal
[03:18] <pleia2> I think that's because the location is set as Los Angeles
[03:18] <nhaines> And one person did seem to be happy to know that there are Ubuntu Hours up there.  So that was kind of nice.
[03:18] <ianorlin> pleia2: less annoying than component mismatches from main that have reverse dependcies in main emails
[03:18] <pleia2> it's exciting when I see someone join the group who is bay area
[03:19] <pleia2> but we have seen a slight uptick in attendance of Ubuntu Hours here since posting on meetup too, so it is getting to *some* of the right people :)
[03:19] <nhaines> That's good news.  :)
[03:19] <nhaines> I wish we had more group events.  That would definitely make Meetup.com more useful.
[03:20] <pleia2> yeah
[03:20] <ianorlin> Yeah meetup tends to give sometimes events you can't go to
[03:20] <pleia2> need to make richard add pasadena events
[03:20] <ianorlin> or have someone that can add them once they are announced
[03:20] <pleia2> are they announced somewher?
[03:20] <ianorlin> I don't know
[03:20] <ianorlin> but yeah that would be helpful
[03:21] <caballero> meetup is very useful to spread the word....at least is the impression i get....
[03:21] <nhaines> pleia2: that's right, actually, I do need to do that.  Although I think they're announced on the SGVLUG Meetup group.
[03:21] <pleia2> nhaines: ah :)
[03:21] <pleia2> just have him Cc: our list!
[03:22] <pleia2> anyway
[03:22] <ianorlin> it spreads the word but sometimes to people that can't come because it is too long; can't commute
[03:22] <pleia2> I'm kind of meh on meetup, it has gotten 1-2 more people at our Ubuntu Hours, and it'll be interesting to see how/if it helps our release party
[03:22] <pleia2> but it's got a lot of annoying things
[03:23] <nhaines> That's about my feeling, too.  I do think that UbuCon Summit was a great way to jumpstart the group membership.
[03:23] <nhaines> So I think that will make the group much more useful than it otherwise would have been.
[03:23]  * pleia2 nods
[03:23] <ianorlin> +1
[03:24] <pleia2> ok, any other thoughts?
[03:24] <pleia2> I didn't really expect an action item out of this, I'll keep crossposting events to meetup and loco.u.c
[03:25] <nhaines> I think it was good to look back and see how it's beginning to shape up.  Good timing on this.
[03:26] <pleia2> #topic Any other business
[03:26] <pleia2> anything else?
[03:26] <pleia2> I'll be in the wrong part of the planet again for our next meeting
[03:27] <pleia2> should keep an eye on the loco mailing list for when they start talking about release parties though
[03:27] <ianorlin> pleia2: +1
[03:28] <pleia2> someone asked in the locoteams channel for them to add the release party event to loco.u.c, but it looks like that hasn't been done yet
[03:28] <nhaines> Sounds good to me.
[03:28] <caballero> pleia2: as we get closer to our announcement for the ubuntu hour in SD I will emailing you...so expect emails from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:28] <pleia2> caballero: ok :)
[03:30] <pleia2> alright, looks like we can wrap this up
[03:30] <pleia2> thanks for coming, everyone
[03:30] <nhaines> \o/
[03:30] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[03:30] <darthrobot> Meeting ended Mon Mar  7 03:30:32 2016 UTC.
[03:30] <darthrobot> Minutes:        http://ihas.5cat.com/~darthrobot/ubuntu-us-ca/2016/ubuntu-us-ca.2016-03-07-03.00.moin.txt
[03:30] <caballero> good night...
[03:30] <ianorlin>  /me goes to get dinner
[03:30] <nhaines> pleia2: I emailed everyone the group photo for SCALE at least a week ago.  :)
[03:31] <pleia2> nhaines: hm, to where?
[03:31] <nhaines> pleia2: directly to their email addresses.
[03:31] <pleia2> including me?
[03:31] <pleia2> can not find
[03:31] <nhaines> So I believed.
[03:32] <nhaines> https://cloud.nhaines.com/index.php/s/fKvAdoLm5KZcMkO
[03:32] <darthrobot> Title: [ownCloud]
[03:32] <pleia2> yay
[03:32] <nhaines> It's a little large.
[03:32] <pleia2> maybe because you already shared your owncloud thing with me I didn't get an additional email
[03:33] <pleia2> if I tweeted this, would it break your owncloud?
[03:33] <pleia2> or can we upload to the ubuntu_us_ca flickr group (need license + author)
[03:34] <nhaines> I believe that I put the link in an email and you were on the CC: list.  So maybe you weren't!
[03:34] <pleia2> also, been a long time since we've used it :) https://www.flickr.com/photos/ubuntu-us-ca
[03:34] <darthrobot> Title: [Ubuntu California Team | Flickr - Photo Sharing!]
[03:34] <nhaines> Upload it to the Flickr group as copyrighted and the author is David Ellsworth.
[03:34] <nhaines> I'll talk to him later about a CC license, but he's being very particular about presentation.
[03:35] <pleia2> I need to license it when I upload, so I'll wait until I hear from you about that
[03:35] <nhaines> Right, but you can change the license later, unless they've changed that.
[03:36] <pleia2> yeah, just don't want to get it wrong and have people copy it around :\ or complain about the license if it's restrictive
[03:36] <pleia2> you know the internet
[03:36] <nhaines> Okay, I'll try to do a phone call tomorrow.
[03:36] <pleia2> thanks for working on this


[00:53] <JanC> it took me some time to understand postfix, but once I understood I didn't have problems to get it working  ;)
[00:55] <JanC> also, I didn't use it before I understood  ;)
[01:00] <mattt> to get it working how?
[01:00] <mattt> it works out of the box, no?
[01:37] <JanC> mattt: to get it working as I wanted it to of course
[01:48] <MTecknology> JanC: hi
[01:58] <MTecknology> JanC: I think I'm almost done w/ my email stuff - then I need to get the ssl stuff working right
[02:05] <MTecknology> GAH! - why won't this let me log in w/ postfix.....
[02:20] <VK7HSE> after pulling my head out of the sand... is anyone currently using 9.04b server ???
[02:30] <MTecknology> ya
[02:30] <MTecknology> I'm trying to setup a mail server w/ it
[02:30] <MTecknology> This is frustrating now because it's acting like there's nothing wrong w/ my postfix config and I'm actually putting in the wrong user/pass - but I know it's right
[02:32] <MTecknology> AH!
[02:32] <MTecknology> wrong SQL password in sasl
[02:33] <MTecknology> I knew drinking would make me figure things out
[02:35] <MTecknology> VK7HSE: for the post part it's been great - I upgraded to Ext4 too - so my network is pretty beta right now :P
[02:36] <VK7HSE> MTecknology:  did you upgrade from a previous install or started a fresh ?
[02:37] <MTecknology> 2 upgrade and one fresh
[02:37] <MTecknology> I had zimbra installed on an 8.04 server - figured I may as well go fresh on it
[02:38] <VK7HSE> did the upgrade go smoothly ? and apart from the ext4 has everything remained in a working state?
[02:38] <VK7HSE> as I currently have 8.10 here and I'll be upgrading as soon as 9.04 is a stable release!
[02:39] <MTecknology> the only reason ext4 had issues was because a lot of people missed a very important step in their blogs about it.
[02:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> surely ext4 isnt shipped by default? :|
[02:39] <MTecknology> no
[02:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> phew
[02:40] <MTecknology> that issue though made me realize (after 9hr of fighting w/ fixing) that I have a motherboard dying in one of my servers
[02:40] <MTecknology> aside from bad hardware and that one step - everything went great
[02:40] <VK7HSE> 8-)  I look forward to a (hopefully) stress free upgrade then!
[02:40] <MTecknology> i'm sure you'll experience just that
[02:42] <VK7HSE> I have a dinosaur IBM eserver here that for some reason that I can't explain! the raid wasn't picked up by 8.04 but it was in 8.10 (very strange!) so I just hope that, that bit still works or there will be a little bit of cursing this way!
[02:44] <MTecknology> i'm sure it will be - if an update made it work
[02:45] <VK7HSE> 8.10 was a fresh install on Xmas day! after using Debian for some time...
[02:47] <VK7HSE> further details of my sever are on...  http://www.vk7hse.hobby-site.org/blog/about/
[02:47] <giovani> callsign?
[02:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> VK7HSE, you call that server dinosaur? bah.
[02:49] <giovani> heh, well it's definitely not a "green server" :)
[02:49] <VK7HSE> yes callsign is vk7hse !!! from Tasmania, Australia...
[02:49] <VK7HSE> well the best part was I got it for FREE !!!  \o/
[02:49] <MTecknology> first server i ever used ran as a web server - about 16mn ram w/ all 4 simms used up
[02:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> VK7HSE, speaking of which, do you get on 10/40/80m HF much?
[02:50] <MTecknology> about 10yr ago
[02:50] <giovani> VK7HSE: yeah, but power isn't free :)
[02:50] <JanC> lol, I know several radio amateurs here in Belgium and they often use their callsign as a nick too  ;)
[02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> JanC, well, its unique :)
[02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> VK7HSE, my gateway is a Sun Ultra5 :)
[02:51] <JanC> we even have 3 radio amateurs in one of our local linux groups here  ツ
[02:51] <VK7HSE> well for those that know me that's is my alias! as for Kamping_Kaiser... I'm a packet radio nut so I'm on 40m with that but rarely ever on voice!
[02:51] <giovani> packet radio ... nice
[02:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> VK7HSE, ah, fair enough. I cant do packet on my Fcall, so i dont get to play :( (which is a shame, since i want to)
[02:53] <JanC> they have an ubuntu server running as a packet radio "server" (or "router" or whatever you call it?)
[02:53] <VK7HSE> well... originally I was going to run all the packet stuff on this server of mine but then I had a better idea! why not learn about web-servers & email etc... and that's where my journey started!
[02:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> aiui you cant use a digi for routing in au, only for node hopping.
[02:55] <VK7HSE> if you have the ax25 stuff configured for tcp/udp you can do what ever you like with it! the only bad part is the slow speed on the packet side!
[02:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> VK7HSE, i thought the licence conditions disallowed using nodes for routing.
[02:56] <VK7HSE> as it just become another Ethernet device!  well if that be the case (license) then I'm in big trouble! as my APRSD I-Gate would then be in violation!
[02:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> I havent read the regs recently, but that was my impression.
[02:57] <VK7HSE> back in the dark ages yes but that was all changed 5+ years ago...
[02:57] <VK7HSE> anyway we're talking servers in this IRC ;-)
[02:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> i've had my licence for a year, so i wasnt reading the regs more then a 18months ago :)
[03:00] <VK7HSE> well in the dark ages you couldn't patch into a public network (aka IRLP) but now that is allowed as long as there is a mechanism to prevent abuse from non-licensed hams to access that system...
[03:02] <VK7HSE> back to server talk!...  the sever I have... (IBM eserver 220) represents my self teaching!...  :)
[03:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[03:04] <VK7HSE> Kamping_Kaiser:  my fading memory has you pinned as VK5FOSS ?
[03:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> VK7HSE, yup, thats me.
[03:05] <VK7HSE> 8-)
[03:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[03:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> done terrorising vk7rad during LCA, back in vk5
[03:06] <VK7HSE> well... as I mentioned I'm a rare contact on voice! but I'm active in a few mailing lists...
[03:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> I dont have any HF yet, but hopefully 'soon' I will
[03:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> bad location for it :(
[03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> VK7HSE, is the ibm your only server?
[03:09] <VK7HSE> well for me unless it's<PHONE_NUMBER>1000111100 then ya wasting ya time!  and yes at this stage, but I'm considering a second to dedicate to packet as my current desktop is acting as that currently... well do you consider a desktop install using the server kernel a server? :P
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, becaue it has a gui ;)
[03:10] <VK7HSE> that's right! it always make me chuckle when you see the question for adding a GUI to a server!
[03:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> its so wasteful :\
[03:12] <VK7HSE> exactly!
[03:14] <MTecknology> GREAT - Now I can't log into webmail
[03:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> MTecknology, :(
[03:16] <MTecknology> I'm now considering downgrading to 8.04 and installing zimbra
[03:18] <VK7HSE> Oh ow.... ;)
[03:18] <MTecknology> huh?
[03:18] <MTecknology> zimbra works pretty well otb - just need to keep ubuntu on lts releases
[03:18] <VK7HSE> may be the way I typed that didn't reflect how I wanted it to sound!
[03:19] <MTecknology> how did you want it to sound?
[03:19] <MTecknology> better yet - explain the reason for your espression
[03:19] <VK7HSE> well... that's a good question in an environment that sound is irrelevant!
[03:20] <VK7HSE> treat it as... ;-)
[03:20] <MTecknology> I've been fighting this for about 24hr and I've really just had enough fighting with it
[03:21] <VK7HSE> maybe some sleep and return to it at a later time?
[03:21] <MTecknology> I did sleep
[03:21] <MTecknology> I only have one day left to work on this - not even that
[03:22] <MTecknology> and I need to get homework done too
[03:22] <VK7HSE> :(   well... as it's not a package I'm familiar with I'm unable to assist!
[03:22] <MTecknology> I can reinstall everything in probably about 2hr
[03:22] <MTecknology> maybe less - after everything is downloaded
[03:23] <VK7HSE> as for the home work I never did it! and look where I am now!.... :)
[03:23] <MTecknology> where are you now?
[03:24] <VK7HSE> unemployed! and now just filling in time in front of this PC !!! :)
[03:24] <MTecknology> oh
[03:24] <VK7HSE> he he
[03:24] <MTecknology> I need a drink and a blank
[03:24] <VK7HSE> don't we all!
[03:25] <VK7HSE> I'm an ex cancer victim so my reason for not working is actually related to that!...
[03:29] <VK7HSE> just having a look at the Zimbra site...
[03:30] <VK7HSE> MTecknology:  as I have LAMP setup on the desktop here for testing stuff... I'll see if I can get it to play here! (mind you I have never used this before!)
[03:32] <VK7HSE> interesting though... they only have Ubuntu 8.04 LTS as the latest version...
[03:34] <MTecknology> VK7HSE: it's because they only do lts builds
[03:34] <MTecknology> when 9.10 comes out, they'll make a build for it
[03:35] <VK7HSE> Ahh ok! so 9.04 gets missed? or was that a typo?
[03:35] <MTecknology> 9.04 and 8.10
[03:36] <MTecknology> zimbra is a massie package and creating an open source only version for every release of ubuntu plus the others is hard work
[03:36] <MTecknology> not worth their time
[03:36] <MTecknology> besides, a lot of companies are sticking to lts now
[03:37] <JanC> 9.10 won't be LTS AFAIK
[03:37] <MTecknology> no?
[03:37] <JanC> no
[03:37] <JanC> probably 10.04 will be
[03:37] <MTecknology> from a marketting, developement, and support stand point lts seems like an incredibly awesome idea
[03:38] <MTecknology> LOL
[03:38] <JanC> with all the crazy things the ywant to do in karmic?  Idon't think so...  :P
[03:38] <MTecknology> let's hope 10.04 isn't lethargic llama
[03:38] <MTecknology> what do they want to do in 9.10?
[03:39] <VK7HSE> pretty up the desktop...
[03:39] <MTecknology> as always
[03:39] <VK7HSE> amongst a lot of other things!
[03:39] <MTecknology> I think they reached the level of pretty that they need - probably just keeping up w/ mac
[03:39] <MTecknology> :p
[03:39] <MTecknology> JanC: you know any ideas for 9.10 yet?
[03:40] <centaur5> Aren't they also focusing a lot on performance for 9.10 though?
[03:40] <MTecknology> I thought that's what 9.04 was for
[03:40] <centaur5> Well I know 9.04 was all about performance but I don't think they finished a lot of it and boot speeds still aren't at the goal of 25 seconds.
[03:41] <MTecknology> mine is
[03:41] <centaur5> I hope they have more performance plans for 9.10.  :)
[03:41] <MTecknology> http://profarius.com/content/jaunty-boots-fast-15sec
[03:42] <VK7HSE> well the boot time is really a system dependant! (I run Dinosaurs here!)
[03:43] <MTecknology> partially it is
[03:43] <MTecknology> i also have a 5400 drive
[03:43] <centaur5> That's after adjustments though isn't it?  How about default install.  Also I do understand it depends on hardware but I'm also talking about benchmarks that have been showing a decrease in performance for the past 3 releases according to reviews.
[03:43] <MTecknology> probably trim about 2sec off w/ 7200
[03:43] <MTecknology> my system is tweaked to shit
[03:44] <MTecknology> my laptop :)
[03:44] <JanC> Keybuk has a proof of concept system running Xubuntu that boots in 7 seconds to the desktop  ;)
[03:44] <centaur5> Well I noticed a huge improvement in boot speed on my machine with ext4 and that's one reason I wanted my new server on Jaunty but Ebox doesn't have their new packages for it also my raid card doesn't get along with the installer.
[03:45] <JanC> on an atom-based netbook
[03:45] <MTecknology> NICE
[03:45] <MTecknology> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/148723/
[03:45] <JanC> actually, jaunty boots quite fast here too
[03:45] <MTecknology> dpkg --get-selections
[03:46] <MTecknology> jaunty is definitely faster - no questions there
[03:46] <MTecknology> ext4 helps too
[03:46] <JanC> considering that I have 2 database servers, 3 webservers, etc. running
[03:46] <JanC> on ext3
[03:46] <MTecknology> woah - this is going to be my new -offtopic :D
[03:46] <MTecknology> pgsql?
[03:46] <JanC> postgres & mysql
[03:47] <MTecknology> I prefer mysql
[03:47] <MTecknology> just feels nicer - but I've heard pgsql is a lot faster
[03:47] <JanC> depends
[03:48] <MTecknology> I think I'm getting just drunk enough to install a server
[03:48] <JanC> most of the services I run on my desktop are for testing, not real use
[03:48] <MTecknology> I need to find a blank cd though
[03:48] <JanC> or a usb stick?
[03:49] <MTecknology> i've never had any luck w/ that
[03:49] <centaur5> Good point I need to see if my net install is fixed with today's new netboot image.  :)
[03:49] <MTecknology> where did that point come from?
[03:49] <centaur5> installing a new server
[03:51] <MTecknology> I know where some blanks probably are - but I'd have to break into a room and steal them
[03:52] <VK7HSE> um... borrow with intent never to return! :P
[03:52] <MTecknology> breaking into  a room while intoxicated - may pose a challenge
[03:52] <centaur5> No, you're doing a favor by pre-loading their CD-R with Ubuntu.  :)
[03:52] <MTecknology> lol
[03:52] <MTecknology> w/ an old version
[03:53] <centaur5> Why would you do old?
[03:53] <MTecknology> 8.04
[03:53] <centaur5> Oh, I had to do that version as well although I really wanted Jaunty.
[03:53] <MTecknology> I have some blank dvd's in my dorm room - but I'm locked out until monday
[03:53] <genii> 8.04 will be old when 10.04 becomes the current LTS version
[03:54] <MTecknology> good point
[03:55] <centaur5> I like to try to keep all my machines on the same version but now I had to break that cause I'm always running the newest on workstations but now I have 1 server on 8.04.
[03:55] <centaur5> Now I have extra updates downloaded for just 1 box.
[03:59] <MTecknology> found a blank dvd i might be able to write over
[04:00] <MTecknology> s/blank//
[04:00] <MTecknology> nope
[04:01] <MTecknology> ok - can you guys help me get a bootable usb?
[04:03] <centaur5> Install Intrepid use the new USB creator tool.  :)
[04:04] <MTecknology> I have 9.04 installed on here
[04:04] <MTecknology> what usb creator
[04:04] <centaur5> that works
[04:04] <MTecknology> ?
[04:04] <centaur5> Go to System -> Administration -> Create a USB Startup Disk
[04:04] <MTecknology> I found a desktop version of 8.04.1 64bit
[04:04] <centaur5> It's a piece of cake.
[04:04] <MTecknology> I don't have gnome
[04:04] <centaur5> oh
[04:05] <MTecknology> what's the app called?
[04:05] <twb> centaur5: open it up and run xwininfo to find out what it's called
[04:05] <centaur5> usb-creator
[04:05] <twb> (Might be xprop, I get them mixed up.)
[04:06] <VK7HSE> MTecknology: If the file is a .img then look at http://www.vk7hse.hobby-site.org/blog/2009/03/31/imagewriter/
[04:07] <MTecknology> sweet
[04:07] <MTecknology> that is easy
[04:07] <centaur5> I was so glad when they made that tool.
[04:08] <MTecknology> that's not even funny it's so easy
[04:08] <MTecknology> i'm gonna go finish some rice
[04:09] <centaur5> Don't worry, the USB boot will be done before the rice!  :)
[04:12] <MTecknology>  rice is done
[04:12] <MTecknology> it's not booting from usb
[04:13] <MTecknology> I'll do a cli install from that desktop cd
[04:14] <MTecknology> oh wait... fuck
[04:18] <VK7HSE> ImageWriter is for making bootable USB devices so you can either boot into a live or install...
[04:21] <MTecknology> I can't do a cd install, I can't do a usb install...
[04:22] <MTecknology> next option?
[04:24] <MTecknology> i checked everywhere for a -rw
[04:25] <MTecknology> is it possible to upgrade a 32bit install to 64bit?
[04:27] <VK7HSE> I wouldn't think so...
[04:30] <centaur5> MTecknology: net installs are the way to go!
[04:30] <MTecknology> how do you do that?
[04:31] <MTecknology> I FOUND ONE!
[04:32] <MTecknology> hurray for old cd's
[04:32] <centaur5> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Netboot
[04:39] <MTecknology> reinstalling - partitioning is the longest part
[04:40] <centaur5> Well I'm off to get some dinner.
[04:48] <MTecknology> I no longer like ext3
[04:48] <MTecknology> it feels slow now that i'm watching fsck run
[04:49] <JanC> ext3 can be (almost) as fast as ext4 if you want
[04:51] <MTecknology> how do you make the fsck run faster?
[04:53] <genii> Go to sleep while it happens
[04:53] <MTecknology> i almost could
[04:53] <MTecknology> it can take over 45min to run sometimes
[04:53] <genii> Try running it on 4.5 Tb   ;)
[04:54] <MTecknology> 1.5TB - here - but it's over 4 drives w/ 2-4 partitions each
[04:55] <genii> Yeah it can take a while
[04:55] <MTecknology> rebooting to new kernel after updates :)
[04:55] <MTecknology> my point was that there's usually no more than about 3 running on a boot
[04:55] <MTecknology> but it happens more ofter
[04:57] <MTecknology> <install type="mail_server">
[04:57] <MTecknology> <install type="prereq">
[04:59] <MTecknology> </install type="prereq">
[05:00] <MTecknology> time for another drink - bbiab
[05:03] <MTecknology> <fix type="dns">
[05:17] <JanC> ext3 has a mode to wait to write data until after the power-loss too  :P
[05:23] <MTecknology> gr - idk how to fix this dns thing
[05:28] <MTecknology> How do I tell my server that the mx record for itself is itself?
[05:33] <MTecknology> maybe that will bypass the issue
[05:33] <jmarsden> MTecknology: Edit the zonefile for your domain so the MX is "your server" and cause the DNS server hosting that zonefile to reload it... what is the real problem?
[05:39] <MTecknology> jmarsden: publicly my mx record is right, I meant so I can do dig server.com mx from my system and have it resolve the ip
[05:40] <jmarsden> So right now if you do   dig server.com mx   on your server, what is the result?
[05:40] <MTecknology> nothing
[05:40] <MTecknology> -_-
[05:40] <JanC> MTecknology: if that doesn't work, either your MX is wrong or something else is broken  ;)
[05:41] <jmarsden> MTecknology: does   dig yahoo.com mx    work?
[05:41] <MTecknology> JanC: well - /etc/hosts has the ip pointing at itself - so it isn't getting out to the public records
[05:41] <MTecknology> behind nat
[05:41] <jmarsden> dig will not care about /etc/hosts....
[05:41] <MTecknology> anyway - not the issue now - apparenlty things are vastly broken
[05:42] <JanC> MTecknology: dig doesn't look at /etc/hosts
[05:42] <JanC> heh ツ
[05:42] <jmarsden> MTecknology:   What does      dig yahoo.com mx    output?
[05:42] <MTecknology> lotta ips
[05:43] <MTecknology> {a,b,c,d,e,f,g}c.mx.mail.yahoo.com.
[05:43] <MTecknology> {a,b,c,d,e,f,g}.mx.mail.yahoo.com. **
[05:43] <jmarsden> So that works.  OK.  Does    dig yourdomain.com      work (with no mx after it)?
[05:44] <MTecknology> yup
[05:44] <MTecknology> <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:44] <JanC> eh
[05:44] <jmarsden> Huh...?  That's not a public IP...
[05:44] <MTecknology> no it's not
[05:44] <jmarsden> Then don't put it in the public DNS...!?
[05:45] <jmarsden> CAn you tell is what the domain in question is so we can dig it for ourselves??
[05:45] <jmarsden> s/tell is/tell us/
[05:45] <MTecknology> vindico.profarius.com
[05:45] <MTecknology> it's resolve to <IP_ADDRESS> or something like that
[05:46] <MTecknology> s/170/117/ i think
[05:46] <JanC> 173
[05:48] <jmarsden> Looks to me like there is no MX record on your DNS server for vindico.profarius.com, but there is one for profarius.com which points to vindico... so all should be working fine.
[05:48] <MTecknology> doh....
[05:48] <jmarsden> How are you getting the 192.168.x.x result -- do you run a fake master DNS server
[05:48] <MTecknology> yup
[05:48] <MTecknology> internal dns server
[05:49] <MTecknology> but only A records
[05:49] <jmarsden> Do you really need it?  And if so, does *it* have sane MX records?
[05:49] <MTecknology> yes, I do need it
[05:49] <jmarsden> OK, then put MX records on it :)
[05:49] <MTecknology> can't
[05:49] <MTecknology> 23:49 < MTecknology> but only A records
[05:49] <MTecknology> :P
[05:49] <MTecknology> I know how to fix it I think
[05:49] <jmarsden> You have a fake local DNS server that is not under your own control???
[05:50] <genii> Weird
[05:50] <MTecknology> it's not a fake dns server
[05:50] <MTecknology> it's a dns forwarder
[05:50] <jmarsden> It is giving you incorrect results for the A record... I'd call that fake :)
[05:50] <MTecknology> if I add a record, that address will forward to w/e ip i give it
[05:51] <jmarsden> If you add a record, a working DNS server will return the info in that record when queried.
[05:52] <jmarsden> Is the local server running BIND on Ubuntu?  And do you have admin rights on it?
[05:52] <jmarsden> The local DNS server, that is.
[05:53] <MTecknology> yes, no, yes
[05:53] <jmarsden> So you must either run your own local DNS server and use that, or else just use a public DNS server.
[05:53] <MTecknology> lol....
[05:53] <jmarsden> Or persuade the admin of the local DNS server to fix it.
[05:53] <MTecknology> convo here is getting me nowhere
[05:55] <jmarsden> What prevents you running BIND on the mailserver and pointing /etc/resolv.conf to <IP_ADDRESS> and then adding a fake master zonefile for profarius.com on that DNS server with the exact records you want to see?
[05:55] <JanC> I hope you're not running mail on NAT'ed server?
[05:56] <JanC> public mail that is
[05:56] <MTecknology> why not?
[05:56] <MTecknology> it has it's own public ip, just sitting behind a firewall and nat
[05:58] <MTecknology> JanC: why is that so bad?
[06:07] <MTecknology> JanC: ?
[06:09] <MTecknology> </fix type="dns" status="methinks">
[06:17] <MTecknology> </install type="mail_server">
[06:17] <MTecknology> Now - how do I make firefox ignore that a certificate has been revoked?
[07:50] <Polk`> hello, I am trying to use RAID 5 with ubuntu server I am useing 8.04
[07:54] <MTecknology> Polk`: congrats?
[07:55] <Polk`> can you help me
[07:55] <MTecknology> i didn't see any question
[07:55] <Polk`> lol..
[07:55] <Polk`> can you hello me install ubuntu on a RAID 5?
[07:57] <Polk`> MTecknology,
[07:59] <MTecknology> maybe
[07:59] <MTecknology> been a while since I've done software raid, but last I remember it was pretty easy
[07:59] <MTecknology> give me a little bit to setup a virtual environment
[07:59] <MTecknology> how many disks?
[07:59] <Polk`> what do u mean by softwear?
[07:59] <Polk`> raid..
[07:59] <Polk`> theese are actuall HD.
[07:59] <Polk`> 3 of them
[08:00] <MTecknology> raid5 w/ 3 disks?
[08:00] <Polk`> yes
[08:00] <MTecknology> you do realize you lose the capacity of two drives when you do raid5, right?
[08:00] <Polk`> yes.. I mean it has 4
[08:00] <MTecknology> err - now, 5 is n-1 - nvm
[08:01] <Polk`> what?
[08:01] <Polk`> haha.
[08:01] <MTecknology> means you lose one drive by doing raid5
[08:01] <Polk`> I have a RAID 5 with 4 34.7gb drives
[08:01] <Polk`> mhmm
[08:01] <Polk`> I understand
[08:01] <MTecknology> raid6 is n-2
[08:01] <Polk`> idk.. but I am using a RAID 5 and I know it looses a drive..
[08:01] <Polk`> but thats how I want it
[08:02] <Polk`> haha
[08:02] <MTecknology> k
[08:02] <MTecknology> are you doing software or hardware raid?
[08:02] <Polk`> idfk.. haha
[08:02] <Polk`> the machine is a fresh install
[08:03] <Polk`> the harddrives are set into a RAID 5
[08:03] <MTecknology> lol...
[08:03] <Polk`> SO I would guess Hardware
[08:03] <Polk`> but I mite be wrong
[08:04] <MTecknology> when you do raid you have two options - hardware or software. If you're doing hardware then the raid is handled by your raid card - right after bios and prior to grub.  What would you tell them?
[08:16] <MTecknology> Polk`: ?
[08:16] <Polk`> yes?
[08:16] <Polk`> tell who what?
[08:16] <Polk`> haha
[08:16] <Polk`> lol
[08:16] <MTecknology> !enter > Polk`
[08:17] <Polk`> oh I see! ok... I think I got it
[08:17] <MTecknology> better
[08:17] <Polk`> haha .. yep
[08:25] <Polk`> jeeves is here?
[08:25] <Polk`> lmao
[08:27] <MTecknology> Polk`: you should depart from this channel and join #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:27] <MTecknology> or just join there and speak there instead
[08:27] <Polk`> why is this cant I be in both?
[08:27] <Polk`> oh ok
[08:28] <kraut> moin
[09:09] <Polk`> MTecknology, I got it
[13:37] <Tuxist> hi I have problem with ubuntu 8.10 heimdal and opnafs http://rafb.net/p/xtAPbR59.html
[13:37] <Tuxist> I have created this principal and add to the kextab
[15:15] <ScottK> jdstrand: I added the CVEs from clamav 0.95 to Bug #354190 (too late for debian/changelog unfortunately, we shouldn't fix stuff so fast ...) - I've never grokked your CVE tracker, so FYI so you can add them.
[16:15] <Polk`> is landscape free?
[16:16] <ScottK> Polk`: landscape-client is, but the server component is not.
[16:16] <ScottK> jdstrand: clamav 0.95.1 is uploaded to Jaunty.  Thanks for the help.
[16:16] <Polk`> ok.. so I cannot see that info elsewear?
[16:16] <Polk`> ScottK, ?
[16:17] <ScottK> Polk`: I don' t know a lot about it, but there's a commercial service that Canonical offers to go with it.
[16:17]  * ScottK doesn't use it.
[16:17] <Polk`> ok.. Thnks
[16:18] <Polk`> ScottK, what do u use?
[16:19] <ScottK> For server management, mostly a collection of my own scripts I've accumulated over time.
[16:19] <Polk`> oh I see
[16:23] <giovani> nagios/puppet 4life! :)
[16:27] <beawesomeinstead> giovani: i tried puppet but didnt like it -- it's pretty weird
[16:27] <giovani> why do you think it's weird?
[16:27] <beawesomeinstead> i use mostly capistrano + git for config files
[16:28] <beawesomeinstead> giovani: i don't like the concept of puppet
[16:28] <giovani> ok ...
[16:28] <beawesomeinstead> it looks... overengineered for me
[16:29] <giovani> you're good at vague criticism :)
[16:29] <beawesomeinstead> aint i? :-)
[20:19] <Tuxist> I have problems with openafs and ubuntu 8.10
[20:20] <Tuxist> http://rafb.net/p/Lvfwlc89.html
[20:23] <Tuxist> I found the failure
[20:23] <Tuxist> no iget bad ticket
[20:40] <MTecknology> I GOT THE CERT INSTALLED!!!!
[20:44] <cellofellow> um, not sure this is the correct place to ask, but is the Ubuntu-packaged version of Cherokee compiled with fastcgi and scgi support?
[20:45] <cellofellow> or, how can I find out?
[20:48] <MTecknology> cellofellow: you could "apt-get source cherokee" - something in there might tell you
[20:48] <MTecknology> best answer I have for ya
[20:49] <cellofellow> tried that but I don't quite understand how to read debian/rules files. I saw some mention of both so probably.
[20:50] <MTecknology> sorry I can't be of more help, I have no clue on that subject. #ubuntu-motu might be able to better help you
[20:50] <cellofellow> motu?
[20:51] <MTecknology> master of the universe
[20:51] <MTecknology> they do the packaging in the universe repos
[20:56] <cellofellow> ah
[20:56] <cellofellow> thanks
[23:52] <thenewguy> Hi
[23:52] <thenewguy> Just wondering if anybody is using KVM in a production environment?
[23:53] <thenewguy> Do you think it is ready?


[02:21] <AssociateX> I set up vsftpd but I can not access it publicly. What am I missing?
[02:25] <valorie> TheFakeazneD525: did you look in `top`?
[02:25] <valorie> usually you can see what's misbehaving and kill it there
[02:25] <valorie> !pid
[02:25] <valorie> hmmmm
[02:26] <TheFakeazneD525> valorie: don't widgets run within plasma-desktop though
[02:26] <TheFakeazneD525> so I'd have to kill plasma
[02:26] <valorie> I don't think so
[02:26] <TheFakeazneD525> but it would still be there
[02:26] <valorie> have never let bouncy ball loose on my desktop
[02:31] <keithzg> I do think it's all run within plasma-desktop, but I think you could hand-edit the config at ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc if you want to remove it from your config.
[02:32] <keithzg> At very least, that should make it go away upon your next login, TheFakeazneD525.
[03:14] <wetwitch> SERVER/ rizon.net
[06:20] <drobuddy> I have an Kubuntu 14.04 install where somehow my user is no longer in the sudoers file (or wheel group). I'm currently booted on a Live CD with the disk mounted; I chmod'd the sudoers file so I could edit it and saved. Is there anything I should do while I'm at it?
[06:20] <drobuddy> I have no idea how / why this could have happened... Drunk moment? Hardly think so, but I'm not gonna rule it out. :P
[06:21] <drobuddy> And, for security reasons, I need to chmod those permissions back... Can someone tell me what they are supposed to be real quick? ;)
[06:21] <drobuddy> Nvm, found the perms.
[06:22] <drobuddy> Anyone awake?
[06:24] <drobuddy> Well, I'm gonna go for it. We will see...
[06:28] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:28] <lordievader> TheFakeazneD525: I believe you can disable widgets through the add widgets thingie.
[07:56] <alvin> What KDE4 version is available in beta2 at the moment? Is it already 14.4.1?
[07:56] <lordievader> !info kdelibs5 utopic
[07:57] <lordievader> !info kdelibs-bin utopic
[07:57] <lordievader> alvin: Looks like it has 4.14.1
[08:02] <alvin> lordievader: Thanks. In that case I think I'll risk it. (I want IMAP back)
[08:02] <lordievader> Imap back?
[08:03] <alvin> BUg in Kmail in 4.14.0. IMAP doesn't work on Courier servers.
[08:04] <lordievader> And that is fixed in 4.14.1?
[08:04] <alvin> Yes, this one https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=338186
[08:04] <lordievader> !info kdelibs-bin kubuntu-backports
[08:06] <lordievader> alvin: "I updated to kde 4.14.1 on Arch (testing repository) and kmail is still not usable for me." better check before you make the plunge.
[08:06] <lordievader> Running a development version, still, is not recommended.
[08:07] <alvin> Yes, that comment bothers me too
[08:08] <alvin> Will we get KDE 4.14.1 for Kubuntu 14.04?
[08:08] <lordievader> Probably.
[08:08] <alvin> I've been using webmail for the past month, but it's just not the same.
[08:34] <anqxyr> hi, can someone help me? My super/win key is not working.
[08:35] <anqxyr> I'm running kubuntu 14.04 right now. I had the same problem in older versions as well. It went away after I upgraded to 12-something, and not it's back.
[08:38] <anqxyr> I'm using a Logitech G15 keyboard if that's relevant
[08:49] <hateball> anqxyr: not working, as in... ? it does not get detected or what?
[08:50] <anqxyr> yes, any win+key shortcuts don't work, and when I try to create my own shortcut in 'Shortcuts and Gestures', pressing it isn't detected
[08:51] <hateball> anqxyr: have you set up the correct keyboard in keyboard settings?
[08:52] <anqxyr> probably not, let me check
[08:52] <anqxyr> no, yes, the keyboard is correct
[08:53] <anqxyr> 'Logitech G15 extra keys via G15daemon'
[08:55] <anqxyr> just tried changing it to 'Logitech generic keyboard' and 'Generic 104 key keyboard', doesn't help
[09:02] <hateball> anqxyr: Is the g15daemon package installed?
[09:02] <anqxyr> yes
[09:03] <hateball> Note, I have not used such a keyboard so I dunno much about it :|
[09:04] <anqxyr> it's installed and all the fancy media-key features are working, except for the win-key
[09:06] <hateball> anqxyr: if you run "xev", does the system pick up the key at all?
[09:06] <anqxyr> nope
[09:07] <anqxyr> also, I just noticed, the 'context menu' key, the one between the right win and right control, isn't working as well
[09:07] <hateball> hmmm
[09:07] <anqxyr> but I don't much care about it
[09:07] <hateball> anqxyr: you havent toggled the gaming mode?
[09:08] <hateball> I have such a mode on my g105 keyboard
[09:08] <anqxyr> hmmmm
[09:09] <anqxyr> I'm pretty sure that's not something that I can toggle with the linux drivers, but it could be on by default
[09:10] <anqxyr> let me try uninstalling the g15daemon
[09:11] <hateball> well for me it's a physical key
[09:11] <hateball> looks like a joystick or some such
[09:11] <hateball> it disables the windows/meta key in hardware
[09:12] <anqxyr> ok, yes, this helped
[09:12] <anqxyr> thank you so much
[09:12] <anqxyr> I feel a bit stupid now
[09:12] <hateball> :D
[09:12] <anqxyr> I've had this problem for years, but just ignored it because it wasn't that big of an issue
[11:38] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:39] <soee> hiho BluesKaj
[11:39] <BluesKaj> heyhey soee
[12:26] <yossarianuk>  hi - I would like a specific USB  HDD drive to appear as /dev/xda rather than /dev/sd* (this is so I do not accidentally dd to the wrong drive) - how can I do this ?
[12:26] <yossarianuk> (i'm assuming its udev related ?
[12:33] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk, do a blkid to find the correct /dev/xxx , the do your dd
[12:33] <BluesKaj> then
[12:39] <lordievader> yossarianuk: Write a udev rule for it.
[12:51] <yossarianuk> lordievader: cheers - any example links
[13:45] <lordievader> yossarianuk: As you can do it with network interface names I suppose blkid's would not be really different: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
[14:45] <rberg> has anybody gotten microsoft lyric (sipe) to work with any of the kde IM clients? I dont want to use pidgin if I can help it
[14:46] <TheFakeazneD525> skype?
[14:46] <rberg> no I hear the protocol is called sipe
[14:46] <TheFakeazneD525> huh
[14:47] <rberg> knowing MS its a incompatible offshoot of something cross platform :)
[15:07] <andersl> hi
[15:07] <andersl> anyone in here using darktable? It crashes if I try to start the darkroom mode, or just click on an image
[15:09] <andersl> hm, if I run with LC_ALL=C it appears to work. Not so elegant...
[15:16] <zak03> hello
[15:17] <lordievader> o/
[15:17] <zak03> hi
[15:29] <m_tadeu> hi...I'd like to hear your thoughts about any git frontends for kde...what's the best, in your opinion?
[15:32] <genii> !info qgit
[15:37] <lordievader> m_tadeu: The commandline ;)
[15:38] <m_tadeu> yeah...my team is changing from bzr to git....and bzr has all these cool tools, so I was hoping to see something similar for git
[15:40] <gomek> hello all
[15:41] <lordievader> o/
[15:41] <gomek> I just installed Kbuntu 14.04  love it
[15:50] <rberg> I kind of have pidgin-sipe working (had to compile from source to get it to not segfault) but I cant get it to work in telepathy yet.. it keeps telling me I havent filled out required fields
[20:37] <Etheret1C> hello :.)
[20:41] <Etheret1C> I'm on a laptop which hard disk is toast, running Live Kubuntu from CD. Got a memory stick with Kubuntu on it, but can no longer boot from the stick after an upgrade. Can someone suggest howto correct this?
[20:43] <Etheret1C> (it's a  bit urgent  since i'm on a time-limited wifi connection)
[20:58] <Etheret1C> 261  users, 0 activity. que pasa?
[20:58] <Fritigern> Start a live CD and use update-grub to correct the problem? We don;t have enough info to help you
[21:05] <Etheret1C> ah.
[21:16] <malc_calc> Ether: if you have a time-limited wifi connection, I'd also decide to boot from the Live CD if you have it handy. It should then be possible to at leasts access the data on the pendrive. Insert it, mount it, and look for /home/your_username. Most data should be there
[21:21] <malc_calc> If you have the time for it, you could begin troubleshooting by using the Partition Manager to see if the bootflag is still set for the pendrive.
[21:23] <malc_calc> but it's true thata there should be more info for concise advice: does the pendrive NOT BOOT AT ALL, or do you get a shell somewhere halfway ?