[00:14] <bluesceada> Hey usrmerge failed and I tried to force it too much by solving the conflicts myself, for instance, it complained about /usr/bin/chvt and /bin/chvt both exist, since dpkg -S on both of them only showed /bin/chvt to be from any package, I removed/renamed /usr/bin/chvt - I did similar in continuation
[00:15] <bluesceada> Then I ran this usrmerge command again, and it was successful. I could then finish apt upgrade (it couldn't because of usrmerge). Then I rebooted, but then I can only go to the recovery console, something is broken now
[00:16] <bluesceada> how complicated can it be to merge /usr/bin with /bin directory, or what's the issue? Is this known? Couldn't find that much useful about usrmerge
[02:41] <oatmealraisin> Hey! I'm helping a friend who is new to linux, they're using 20.04 on a desktop, they're wanting to install i3. Does ubuntu use wayland or x out of the box?
[02:42] <sarnold> oatmealraisin: I think 20.04 was X by default; when you're at the login screen, there's probably a little gear icon, if you click that it should give you a choice of desktop sessions to run, it should say
[02:42] <oatmealraisin> ok, tysm!
[02:43] <WaV> If you don't get a definite answer, have your friend open a terminal and type: echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE
[02:43] <oerheks> jes, both are installed.
[02:43] <lotuspsychje> oatmealraisin: we also see i3 users choose ubuntu server as their base
[02:43] <sarnold> that's what I did, sortof; debootstrap install
[02:44] <sarnold> I'm not sure I'd recommend it :) you spend a lifetime trying to figure out how to configure printers and so on
[02:44] <sarnold> but it is impressively svelt
[03:14] <eater_0> @arrayboltXE: came back to let you know I fixed it. The 500GB clone was unhappy that its partition was smaller than the table claimed; the 1TB original was corrupt. So on a new 2TB drive, i first wrote a DD copy of the 1TB drive and then on top of that I DD wrote the 500GB drive, and the new 2TB double-clone booted with everything intact!
[03:15] <sarnold> oof sounds like an exciting / frustrating day :)
[03:15] <sarnold> hooray for success in the end; did you use resize2fs or gdisk or similar to resize the filesystem to the new disk?
[03:16] <eater_0> frustrating and exciting, you said it! no, i didn't resize anything. just dd, dd, reboot
[03:17] <sarnold> *nod*
[06:08] <hyperion--> hello
[06:08] <hyperion--> is someone there?
[06:08] <hyperion--> I have this problem maybe someone can help me...
[06:09] <hyperion--> I need to reinstall Ubuntu, but I do not have a separated home folder, because LLVM
[06:19] <wicope> Hi. ubuntu 22.04, Geforce 7300 GT. My problem is the screen refresh, I don't see more than 60 Hz. Is it possible to put 75 Hz or more? Thanks
[06:21] <wicope> with driver nouveau. The nvidia driver is "old" no kernel path for ubuntu 22.04 and driver 304 nvidia?
[06:36] <Znevna> what's wrong in this picture? https://s.go.ro/bekeck87
[06:37] <Bashing-om> wicope: No longer supported :( see: http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3142/~/support-timeframes-for-unix-legacy-gpu-releases // last ubuntu release to support the 304 driver was 16.04 .
[06:43] <Znevna> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[06:45] <Znevna> the desktop version greets me with the same version
[06:45] <Znevna> why am I invited to downgrade?
[06:50] <alkisg> Znevna: downgrade what? The screenshot you pasted mentions that you should upgrade, not downgrade...
[06:50] <Znevna> from 20.04.5 to 20.04.1 ? hell of an upgrade :)
[06:53] <Bashing-om> Znevna: 22.04 is the current LTS release that supersedes your present install of 20.04 - is that what you ask ?
[06:53] <Znevna> It's a fresh install from the 20.04.5, as pointed by the first line in that screenshot
[06:53] <Znevna> at login I'm greeted to "upgrade' to 20.04.1
[06:54] <Znevna> from the 20.04.5 iso *
[06:58] <Bashing-om> Znevna: I see it as an offer to release upgrade to *22*.04.1 . which is the next step in (L)ong (T)erm (S)upport upgrade path. LTS - LTS :)
[06:58] <Znevna> oh crap
[06:58] <Znevna> not enough coffee
[06:59] <Znevna> hmm how did I miss the 22.04 LTS iso x.x
[06:59] <Bashing-om> !coffee
[07:00] <Znevna> thanks, Bashing-om
[07:01] <Znevna> hmm good time to check it 22.04 presents this vbox bug I've encountered yesterday
[07:02] <Znevna> if* darn what's wrong with me today
[07:31] <Znevna> same bug
[07:31] <Znevna> so it's a vbox thing
[07:35] <Nick01> hi
[08:32] <khirrroo> hey
[08:33] <khirrroo> can someone say something so i know that am doing this correctly ? :'(
[08:38] <ducasse> something=
[09:00] <Nick01> hi
[09:11] <snowkid> Can someone tell me the motivation behind this crazy list of options:
[09:11] <snowkid> apt-get -y -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confdef" -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confold" --force-yes --with-new-pkgs upgrade
[09:14] <Nick01> hello
[09:15] <snowkid> ey
[09:15] <webchatrv95> i have a bug in my ubuntu 22.10
[09:17] <webchatrv95> searching after pressing the super button results in entering the first character twice
[09:28] <Chunkyz> Morning all ❤❣
[09:29] <webchatrv95> hey
[09:29] <drigy> Morning
[09:32] <webchatrv95> can anyone help me with this: searching after pressing the super button results in entering the first character twice
[09:47] <gry> webchatrv95: hi
[09:47] <gry> webchatrv95: did it work before?
[09:52] <PaulW2U> webchatrv95: I think bug 1956248 is relevant to what you are seeing
[09:52] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 1956248 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "I get two characters in Activities when I press one key for the first key I press..." [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1956248
[10:24] <user7878> Hi, I have a problem with daemon ipp-usb and systemd
[10:31] <user7878> when I run it with: systemctl start ipp-usb udev/standalone the status service appear 'dead'
[10:33] <user7878> 👉any suggestions?
[10:52] <mncheck> hey, a nice guy girl or pronoun person sent me from #debian to here to ask why ldconfig.real sends me truncated errors on bionic even after apt install --reinstall the packages in question. this is SO specific to bionic that I HAVE to ask it here you see, even though ldconfig and dpkg are not developed on ubuntu. let me help you by pointing out that bionic IS supported until April 2023 isn't that just great? for those who want to postpone their answer
[10:52] <mncheck> until after April to say "it is not supported", please just say nothing, thank you
[10:52] <mncheck> also, please don't bother to point out that this is not an official channel
[10:52] <mncheck> any real answers are welcome
[11:28] <ogra> mncheck, what do you mean by "truncated errors" (and wy would ldconfig "send errors" at all) ?
[11:30] <ogra> (also official-ness of this channel and what we support here is described in detail in /topic)
[11:31] <Guest544> Finally I have installed latest ubuntu arm and is awesome and smooth
[11:37] <halcyforn> hello
[11:37] <itsme5n> Hi
[11:38] <halcyforn> maybe someone know how to move print area ?
[11:38] <halcyforn> i install official brother driver but top margin is cut 4 cm.
[11:38] <itsme5n> which driver ?
[11:39] <mncheck> ogra, for example "/sbin/ldconfig.real: file /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libselinux.so.1 is truncated"
[11:40] <mncheck> ogra, I have done apt install --reinstall libdbus-1-3 libgcrypt20 liblapack3 liblzma5 libpcre3 libselinux1 libsystemd0 and it was the same message from ldconfig.real
[11:40] <mncheck> I done it two times
[11:40] <mncheck> it remained there two times
[11:43] <halcyforn> brother 195c
[11:43] <halcyforn> i have cut 4 cm on top and on bottom is 4 cm up.
[11:44] <halcyforn> on old ubuntu i dont have this problem i must update lts.
[11:44] <ogra> mncheck, looks like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/binutils-2.26/+bug/1888286 ...
[11:44] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1888286 in binutils-2.26 (Ubuntu) "ldconfig and file xxx is truncated" [Undecided, New]
[11:45] <ogra> mncheck, you might want to poke someone in #ubuntu-devel if they plan to include the patch (looks like that bug has not even been triaged yet)
[11:48] <mncheck> ogra, thanks for the suggestion
[11:51] <MacSlow> Greetings everyone!
[11:51] <ogra> MacSlow, !
[11:52] <ogra> where have you been hiding !
[11:53] <halcyforn> uhh editing ppd file dont work..
[11:53] <MacSlow> ogra, hey there... well contractor/consultant live leaves little to no room for the fun stuff :)
[11:53] <ogra> heh, yeah
[11:54] <MacSlow> ogra, but I found neat idea to hack on, so that was a good opportunity to dive back in the OpenSource world.
[11:55] <ogra> awesome, welcome back !
[11:56] <MacSlow> ogra, thx... initially I wanted to give a lightning talk about it at FOSDEM in February, but I was a bit too late with my talk submission and Mark van den Borre told me all slots are already taken..
[11:57] <MacSlow> ogra, ... so I made a small set of wip videos and blog-post
[11:57] <ogra> cool ...
[11:57] <ogra> if it is ubuntu relaed, you should write a post on discourse.ubuntu.com and link it there
[11:57] <ogra> *related
[11:57] <MacSlow> ogra, in case you're curious... https://blog.macslow.org/?p=365
[11:59] <MacSlow> ogra, even got a playlist for it... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybjmUFIXfUU&list=PLXvTBWcnTI1OHF7-Op-ASYsQKKg1TYb5Z
[11:59] <ogra> hah
[12:00] <MacSlow> abused that to show off my piano "skills" too :)
[12:00] <ogra> oh, that's you playing there ?
[12:00] <MacSlow> one keyboard is as good as another ;)
[12:00] <ogra> btw, we should move to #ubuntu-discuss
[12:00] <MacSlow> yup
[12:23] <FKAShinobi> How do I enable touchscreen in 22.04? This same PC worked out of the box with 14.0x
[12:28] <l0tuspsychj3> FKAShinobi: did you try what i suggested yesterday?
[12:29] <FKAShinobi> yes, no difference with Unity installed.
[12:29] <FKAShinobi> L0tuspsychj3 ^
[12:30] <l0tuspsychj3> what are you saying, your touchscreen doesnt work at all FKAShinobi ?
[12:30] <FKAShinobi> No the stylus works, but actual touch and multifinger gestures do not.
[12:31] <FKAShinobi> Was there anything taken out of the kernel since 14.xx?
[12:31] <l0tuspsychj3> FKAShinobi: and wich unity did you try?
[12:31] <FKAShinobi> apt install ubuntu-unity-desktop
[12:31] <FKAShinobi> I didn't know there was a difference
[12:33] <l0tuspsychj3> FKAShinobi: well there are a few options you can try, like the new unity flavour on 22.10
[12:33] <FKAShinobi> xinput shows N-Trig Touchscreen. Is there a way to determine if it's enabled?
[12:33] <FKAShinobi> also xinput shows N-Trig MultiTouch
[12:36] <l0tuspsychj3> FKAShinobi: could you share your full dmesg in a paste plz, maybe volunteers will notice something there
[12:36] <EriC^^> FKAShinobi: maybe this is useful? https://askubuntu.com/questions/974009/how-to-capture-touchscreen-events
[12:36] <l0tuspsychj3> FKAShinobi: what i would do in your case is test if your touchscreen would work on a live unity based ubuntu
[12:39] <FKAShinobi> ok, I'll try and capture an event, and if I can't then I'll install a unity based version of 22.10.
[12:45] <noarb> what's the correct way to create a virtual USB device for testing/development? If I create a "dummy driver" wouldn't that only work if a device connects? But it doesn't exist!
[12:58] <yolo> did a few updates somehow 6.1.0 kernel was installed and no longer boots, falling back to 5.15, seems like 6.1.0 did not like the nvidia driver
[12:59] <yolo> or something else. why LTS updated kernel
[13:00] <mgedmin> are you using the hardware enablement stack?  it gets kernel updates every 6 months, iirc
[13:00] <mgedmin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[13:00] <yolo> from command line update it says: The following packages have been kept back:libnvidia-cfg1-525 libnvidia-common-525 etc, then from the GUI update it happily updates whatever, are the two in sync?
[13:01] <yolo> don't think I'm using it though, or I don't remember
[13:01] <yolo> i do see oem on my grub, how to disable that EnablementStack, can't stop booting no matter what
[13:03] <mgedmin> at this point I'm afraid to recommend anything in case you need the oem kernel for your specific hardware
[13:04] <yolo> ok so I have to stay with it, changing grub to use generic kernel boot then to get by
[13:04] <yolo> Thanks.
[13:04] <mgedmin> generally to use the GA kernel instead of the HWE kernel you install linux-generic and remove the linux-hwe-whatever package
[13:04] <mgedmin> but there are also related xorg etc. packages
[13:04] <yolo> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1335453/how-can-i-disable-hwe-support-on-ubuntu-18-04
[13:04] <yolo> might still work, but I can not risk to brick the system
[13:05] <mgedmin> you can have multiple kernels installed side-by-side and choose one from the boot menu
[13:05] <mgedmin> that way you can try alternatives without bricking the system
[13:06] <mgedmin> I'm not sure how to explain to grub which one should be made the default flavor, though, in a way that would persist after installing kernel security updates
[13:06] <mgedmin> do report a bug if the 6.1.0 kernel has a regression with your hardware, that way there's a chance it'll get fixed
[13:11] <yolo> yes though I could not even boot into 6.1.0 yet
[13:12] <yolo> i can report '6.1.0 failed to reboot with this nvidia card'
[13:27] <yolo> switch to nouveau 6.1.0 worked fine, guess nvidia driver was not updated to 6.1.0, or not well enough
[13:27] <mgedmin> or you need the kept-back packages to get a working driver with the new kernel
[13:28] <mgedmin> do you have any idea why the packages were kept back
[13:28] <mgedmin> (apt is a bit terrible about diagnostics for cases like this)
[13:29] <mgedmin> the usual reasons are (1) phased updates (which would be hilariously terribad), (2) the packages conflict with something you have installed, (3) the packages need something else that hasn't made its way into the mirror yet, in order of decreasing likelihood
[13:31] <drigy> ledeni: Your name means Iceman in my language
[13:37] <tosaraja> Ok obi-wan, your my only hope... is it possible to get vnc or rdp to connect to a Ubuntu so that I use LDAP to open a new desktop just like windows?
[13:37] <tosaraja> i'm been googling and trying different things for 8 hours now and getting pretty tired of a constant black screen i'm seeing
[13:38] <toddc> tosaraja: are you using wayland?
[13:38] <tosaraja> toddc: i actually don't know. what does 22.04.1 have by default. i don't think the installer ever asked
[13:39] <tosaraja> ldap does work from ssh and the GUI user selection..
[13:40] <toddc> wayland I found a simular issue and just switch to x11 till it is fixed 1 sec I look for a guide
[13:41] <enyc> fauxpride: is the situatino the same under 22.04LTS and try brave or chromium  as well as firefox ?
[13:41] <toddc> tosaraja:     https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-enable-disable-wayland-on-ubuntu-22-04-desktop
[13:42] <toddc> you can always toggle it back on or off
[13:43] <jo__> Hello dear people, I am looking for information on the package "kopano-core/jammy,jammy 8.7.0-7.1ubuntu10". Especially, I would like to know, who build the package. Infos on the kineticversion would also do the job.
[13:44] <tosaraja> toddc: ah... i'll try. thanks
[13:44] <ravage> jo__: https://packages.ubuntu.com/kinetic/kopano-core -> Maintainer
[13:45] <jo__> Thanks a bunch!!
[13:49] <tosaraja> toddc: now it's not black..it's a transparent window that shows squat... at least that's a change after 8 hours :D
[13:51] <tosaraja> toddc: does xrdp always require a user to log in the desktop for it to work? I can't just reboot the server and remotely log in?
[13:53] <toddc> tosaraja: I belive if xrdp is in userland so yes avoid using root always
[13:54] <tosaraja> toddc: i could always generate a local user that's not from AD, but would anyone with an AD account then be able to log in to their own desktop, or would it be the local user i create just for this?
[13:54] <tosaraja> is there any way of me having a linux that any AD user can log in to remotely to the GUI?
[13:55] <tosaraja> (hard to imagine it's 2023)
[13:55] <tosaraja> this should have been trivial and done 20 years ago
[13:56] <toddc> tosaraja: I have not worked with AD. I know there is a option during the install for it google found https://askubuntu.com/questions/1404245/remote-desktop-from-windows-onto-ubuntu-22-04-takes-me-to-a-xrdp-login-then-a-bl
[13:57] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:00] <toddc> tosaraja: there is a bug report also on it  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/remmina/+bug/1995201
[14:00] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1995201 in remmina (Ubuntu) "remote desktop screen sharing does not work" [Undecided, Invalid]
[14:02] <fauxpride> enyc: haven't tried chromium, but i doubt it's an OS issue. vainfo doesn't list a VP9 profile, no matter what driver I chose. Apparently intel only offers "partial" VP9 HW decoding support for Skylake, and only through their "hybrid" driver. That driver is discontinued, but it's apparently still maintained somehow for Arch: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/libva-intel-driver-hybrid
[14:03] <fauxpride> Any idea if there's any procedure for requesting it to be supported for Ubuntu as well?
[14:03] <fauxpride> OS shold read browser
[14:03] <fauxpride> *should. I can't type today to save my life.
[14:04] <enyc> fauxpride: hrrm intel ane working on their new arc gpus!  hrrm good qusetion!
[14:11] <fauxpride> Yeah, it definitely looks to be a driver version issue, and the driver that fixes it doesn't appear to be suppoted, even if it appears to be supported by other distros, which makes me think its distribution is not blocked by Intel. If anyone here knows how to request that it be considered for support in Ubuntu as well, I'd be more than grateful.
[14:51] <klemax> Hi does Ubuntu support grsecurity patch officially?
[14:52] <ravage> no
[15:01] <itsme5n> Hello
[15:08] <itsme5n> Ubuntu is awesome , I just like how fast it is and is very simple and user friendly too
[15:31] <targren> I'm trying to set up fail2ban (sshd only for the moment) on a bare-metal Jammy server. The service is enabled and running, /var/log/fail2ban.log shows the startup/restart info, but no activity, and the jail is set up mostly according to every "set up fail2ban on 22.04" page out there, except that it explicitly points to auth.log and maxretry is 2 instead of 3. I turned on pyinotify, in case it was a polling problem, but no dice. I'm
[15:31] <targren> watching invalid logins tick by in auth.log, and fail2ban-regex registers them as matching the filter so it should be doing *something*.
[15:34] <targren> A lot has changed on me since 18.04 so I figure I'm just missing something
[15:39] <nate> So, did 22 LTS change oom-killer, is it no longer a daemon you can disable?
[15:44] <tomreyn> targren: have you considered not using fail2ban, but just sshd (maybe on a non-standard port, on a separate management network, or behind a vpn), allowing only public/private key based authentication?
[15:45] <targren> tomreyn: It's already restricted to key-based auth. As to the rest, no.
[15:58] <tomreyn> targren: you'll probably find it summed up somewhere around here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fail2ban/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0
[15:58] <jhutchins> itsme5n_: We're working hard to solve that part about it being simple.
[15:59] <jhutchins> targren: Maybe you're not getting hit right now.
[15:59] <targren> jhutchins: I am, I can see the failed attempts in the auth.log, but fail2ban isn't
[16:00] <jhutchins> targren: So you're running an ssh daemon on a publicly exposed port 22?
[16:01] <tomreyn> yes
[16:01] <targren> Yes. Which isn't really relevant to my question.
[16:06] <jhutchins> No, only to the imaginary security of your system.
[16:07] <targren> My security is my concern, thanks. I'm asking if there's a change in how I have to set up fail2ban on 22 LTS vs 18 LTS.
[16:08] <targren> If I need to hire a security assessment, I'll let you know
[16:11] <ufk> my Realtek ALC887-VD stops and resumes every few seconds, pulseaudio shows a rotation of plugged and unplugged, in windows it works so it's a driver problem, i have snd-hda-intel with realtek codec compiled. any ideas ?
[16:27] <Harzilein> hi
[16:27] <l0tuspsychj3> welcome Harzilein
[16:29] <yates> i am having issues with ms teams not detecting a microphone, even though pulse audio volume control shows it as an input device (both my headset and my earbuds)
[16:29] <yates> this is just since this morning - it had been working for a year
[16:30] <Harzilein> i'm having trouble finding out how dotnet6 6.0.106 was bootstrapped. the debian/build-dotnet-tarball.sh has a --bootstrapping options and tangentially related lp bugs mention a bootstrapping ppa, but i can't fit it together. shouldn't that have been a part of debian/README.source as well?
[16:31] <Harzilein> option*
[16:32] <Harzilein> (i'm not _that_ familiar with ubuntu processes, i'm a debian user myself, where though ad hoc, some sleuthing usually results in a plausible chain of events)
[16:32] <Harzilein> (wrt bootstrapping)
[17:22] <alkisg> The /var/lib/snapd/desktop/applications/firefox_firefox.desktop file contains Exec=env BAMF_DESKTOP_FILE_HINT=/var/lib/snapd/desktop/applications/firefox_firefox.desktop /snap/bin/firefox %u
[17:22] <alkisg> I want to create a /usr/local/bin/firefox wrapper that would launch `MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1 firefox`, but snap launchers appear to not respect the PATH concept (i.e. they use absolute URIs), any way to do what I want?
[17:22] <alkisg> I also can't see a dpkg-divert alternative for snap, that would allow me to override the .desktop file...
[17:23] <l0tuspsychj3> one for ogra perhaps^
[17:24] <alkisg> 👍
[17:28] <rfm> should be able to copy that firefox_firefox.desktop into /usr/local/share/applications and edit the Exec= line, at least I think that's the right place
[17:29] <rfm> check $XDG_DATA_DIRS for the search path...
[17:32] <alkisg> printenv XDG_DATA_DIRS => /usr/share/ubuntu:/usr/local/share/:/usr/share/:/var/lib/snapd/desktop, thanks, testing...
[17:32] <yates> i just found out that ms has retired msteams/linux!
[17:33] <yates> now they force you to use a new browser-based version
[17:33] <yates> lovely!
[17:38] <ogra> alkisg, yeah, either /usr/local/share or even ~/.local/share
[17:41] <alkisg> rfm, ogra, that did it, thanks!
[18:10] <alkisg> How do I install ublock origin for all users? `apt install webext-ublock-origin-firefox` => requires the firefox.deb package, so I assume it won't work for snap, and `snap search ublock` says no results...
[18:30] <gry> Alkisg what is wrong with firefox.deb?
[18:35] <alkisg> gry: absolutely nothing at all, mate and firefox.deb work flawlessly. I'm just trying to test the default gnome/snap experience. So far I have like 50 issues...
[18:37] <ogra> alkisg, cant you install it *inside* firefox through addons.mozilla.org ?
[18:37] <ogra> oh, system wide ... hmm
[18:39] <alkisg> Yeh it would be hard to do it manually for hundreds of students...
[18:39] <ogra> right ...
[18:40] <ogra> well, FF should use /var/snap/firefox ... and i think it also has some access to files in /etc for global profiles (there are threads and discussions somewhere on forum.snapcraft.io), not sure where to put stuff though ...
[18:42] <gry> Alksig, firefox has a settings folder, where you can add a folder or file with the extension that you need. Then all these users will have it.
[18:43] <ogra> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1785278
[18:43] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Mozilla bug 1785278 in Core "AutoConfig in Snap and Flatpak" [S3, Resolved: Fixed]
[18:43] <ogra> not sure that helps with extensions though
[18:44] <ogra> (allows the snap access to /etc/firefox/config.js and /etc/firefox/defaults/pref/config-prefs.js )
[18:45] <rick89> hi friends
[18:45] <rick89> I have a problem
[18:45] <rick89> My bluetoth doesn't work
[18:45] <rick89> My wifi does
[18:45] <rick89> can you help me?
[18:45] <rick89> *bluetooth
[18:45] <gry> Did your bluetooth work before?
[18:46] <rick89> Yes, it worked on Windows
[18:46] <ogra> alkisg, btw, lissyx is mozilla dev and resident in #ubuntu-desktop ... perhaps he has more insight (not sure who in ubuntu land maintains the snap currently, osomon (former FF maintainer) left the company recently)
[18:46] <gry> Ok. In https://h-node.org click Search at the top, scroll to the bottom of the page, and follow instructions.
[18:46] <gry> Rick89
[18:47] <hermano> Bought a Dell xps 13 with pre installed ubuntu 22.04. Cannot get "ubuntu software center" to work. Get this error in terminal:
[18:47] <hermano> https://bpa.st/D2WDY
[18:47] <gry> It will give you a list of your devices. Does it list your bluetooth device there?
[18:47] <alkisg> Thank you ogra , I'll try in #ubuntu-desktop tomorrow
[18:47] <gry> Rick89 if it does, please link to your bluetooth device here.
[18:49] <rick89> !paste
[18:49] <hermano> Guess I might as well use 'gnome-software' instead of snap-store.
[18:50] <rick89> gry https://dpaste.com/75U3UN7TN
[18:51] <ioria> hermano, using wayland or Xorg ?
[18:55] <gry> Rick89, are any bluetooth devices listed?
[18:55] <ogra> alkisg, i guess worst case it is surely fixable with a layout in the snap to map /usr/lib/mozilla/extensions into /var/snap/firefox/current/extensions somewhere so you could just dump it there, but that will need a packaging change ... i'm surprised that nobody complained about  it yet though
[18:56] <rick89> I don't know
[19:02] <hermano> ioria, dont know yet. Just got the laptop and fixing all tuning and software.
[19:59] <c_89> Hi, I have a problem with ipp-usb service, this is the output of a command `systemctl status ipp-usb` https://bpa.st/raw/RIMPE
[20:17] <sarnold> c_89: check journalctl for logs? maybe it writes logs in /var/log/ or somewhere similar?
[20:22] <c_89> sarnold there is no log on journalctl on ipp-usb with systemd, this is the log made yesterday when I try to start the daemon without systemd --> https://bpa.st/raw/VZZ6Q
[20:23] <sarnold> are you sure your printer supports the ipp-over-usb thingy?
[20:23] <c_89> sarnold I try with: `ipp-usb udev` and `ipp-usb standalone` but nothing!
[20:24] <c_89> sarnold yes is supported
[20:29] <c_89> sarnold https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/cups-useful-tricks/
[20:31] <c_89> sarnold https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/cups-useful-tricks/#_how_to_find_out_if_my_usb_device_supports_ipp_over_usb
[20:34] <i20> Hi
[20:34] <i20> You want drugs ?
[20:35] <i20> I do
[20:40] <sarnold> c_89: oh cool, thanks! I didn't realize lsbusb would just *tell* you, that's great
[20:40] <jhutchins> c_89: Printers in CUPS will frequently be listed with several non-functional addresses.  You can try each address, resetting the system after each try, or you can search for your printer model + [cups|linux] and find out what works for other users.
[20:42] <c_89> sarnold errata corrige my printer is: bInterfaceClass 7 Printer | bInterfaceSubClass 1 Printer | bInterfaceProtocol 2 Bidirectional
[20:58] <gry> rick89: sorry, I don't know either, and the h-node website does not output which devices it is. i would suggest to ask your question again adding the pastebin at the end
[21:10] <eest> i am having trouble installing a physical server with software RAID, the installer crashes and after some debugging i think this is because the installer looks for disks by their WWN, and for some reason both disks in this server has the same WWN which can be inspected by calling e.g. 'lsblk -S -d -o TRAN,NAME,TYPE,MODEL,SERIAL,SIZE,WWN' where SERIAL differs, but WWN is the same, anyone else seen this?
[21:11] <sarnold> eest: wow, that sounds *weird*. it's not like i've seen a bunch of systems, but i've never seen anyone else mention that before :(
[21:12] <rick89> My friends, the bluetooth does not work on my laptop ASUS E410MA with Ubuntu 22.04
[21:12] <rick89> Could you please help me?
[21:12] <rick89> https://dpaste.com/75U3UN7TN
[21:13] <rick89> https://dpaste.com/75U3UN7TN
[21:14] <eest> sarnold: it is fairly intersting that looking in /dev/disk/by-id/ there exists a wwn- symlink, but it only points to one of the disks as can probably be expected
[21:14] <sarnold> eest: hah, I hadn't thought of that..
[21:15] <sarnold> eest: I think there's a way to report bugs in the menu inthe upper right corner of the screen
[21:15] <eest> so it feels fairly broken, but not sure what to do about it, it can also be seen with e.g. '/lib/udev/scsi_id --page=0x83 --whitelisted --device=/dev/sdb'
[21:15] <arrayboltXE> rick89: Looking at the pastebin now.
[21:15] <sarnold> eest: but I'm not sure what exactly could be done differently :( do your drives have a way to set the wnn field via firmware updater or similar?
[21:15] <rick89> arrayboltXE ok thanks
[21:16] <eest> not sure... this is seen on a Dell VEP4600, a bit of an odd machine
[21:16] <arrayboltXE> rick89: Can you do "lsusb | nc termbin.com 9999"? Usually Bluetooth won't show up in lspci since Bluetooth is confusingly usually attached over USB, despite being part of the WiFi internal card.
[21:16] <rick89> My bluetooth is internal
[21:17] <rick89> https://termbin.com/1b9r
[21:17] <arrayboltXE> rick89: Correct. Yet it will still show up as a USB device. Don't ask me why vendors do this, I don't know.
[21:18] <arrayboltXE> Yep, there it is. "IMC Networks Bluetooth Radio"
[21:18] <rick89> Yes, there it is.
[21:18] <arrayboltXE> rick89: OK, can you also do "lsmod | nc termbin.com 9999" so I can see if the usual Bluetooth driver is loaded or not?
[21:18] <rick89> https://termbin.com/qc7be
[21:19] <arrayboltXE> Alright, I assume that when you look in the Bluetooth settings of your system, it tells you that there is no Bluetooth device?
[21:19] <arrayboltXE> Or is it simply unable to find any nearby Bluetooth-enabled things?
[21:21] <rick89> It doesn't turn on
[21:22] <arrayboltXE> OK. I see you're using a Realtek card, so let me look for drivers for it.
[21:22] <oerheks> i use bluez to control BT, once scanned, connected and trusted it works fine with the standard gnome tool
[21:22] <arrayboltXE> To be clear, your WiFi *does* work right?
[21:22] <rick89> arrayboltXE https://imgur.com/a/FmH5cvQ
[21:22] <rick89> arrayboltXE Yes, WiFi works well.
[21:24] <arrayboltXE> rick89: apt list --installed | grep linux-firmware-nonfree | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:25] <rick89> arrayboltXE https://imgur.com/a/GOuVmu4
[21:25] <arrayboltXE> rick89: OK, that's probably the missing package then. Try "sudo apt install linux-firmware-nonfree" and then reboot your system.
[21:26] <arrayboltXE> Wait... that package doesn't exist anymore?
[21:26]  * arrayboltXE does more digging
[21:26] <rick89> https://imgur.com/a/DmhPONF
[21:27] <oerheks> run apt update first?
[21:27] <oerheks> !info linux-firmware-nonfree
[21:27] <arrayboltXE> oerheks: The package doesn't exist in modern Ubuntu any longer.
[21:27] <oerheks> oh
[21:28] <arrayboltXE> It used to exist according to a bug report, thus why I got confused.
[21:28] <sarnold> trusty https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware-nonfree
[21:28] <arrayboltXE> I see other Bluetooth-related firmware packages though.
[21:28] <oerheks> gnome got firmware updates inside the installer..
[21:28] <sarnold> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware-nonfree/+bug/1513589 lol "Provenance and licensing for the firmware files included in this package are beyond questionable"
[21:28] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1513589 in linux-firmware-nonfree (Ubuntu Xenial) "linux-firmware-nonfree should be removed from Xenial" [Undecided, Fix Released]
[21:29] <arrayboltXE> rick89: Is "bluez-firmware" installed?
[21:29] <arrayboltXE> apt list --installed | grep bluez-firmware
[21:29] <rick89> apt list --installed | grep bluez-firmware
[21:30] <rick89> WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts.
[21:30] <arrayboltXE> Hmm... in says it's for some particular Broadcom chip.
[21:31] <arrayboltXE> rick89: OK, let's try something new. Try "sudo dmesg | grep firmware | nc termbin.com 9999" and sent that link. That will hopefully tell me if there's missing firmware.
[21:31] <rick89> https://termbin.com/l5v9
[21:32] <arrayboltXE> ...ok well that didn't help a whole lot. Tar.
[21:34] <arrayboltXE> Supposedly the kernel should support that device, so I'm not sure what's wrong.
[21:34] <arrayboltXE> rick89: You could try "sudo modprobe -r btusb && sudo modprobe btusb" and see if that helps. That will unload and reload the Bluetooth driver.
[21:34] <oerheks> again: i use bluez to control BT, once scanned, connected and trusted it works fine with the standard gnome tool
[21:34] <rick89> This laptop came with Linux and the bluetooth worked
[21:35] <arrayboltXE> rick89: What distro did it come with?
[21:35] <arrayboltXE> oerheks: If his system is able to recognize the Bluetooth at all, then that might be a good thing to try.
[21:35] <rick89> Endless
[21:35] <arrayboltXE> Which it sounds like that might be the case.
[21:35] <arrayboltXE> rick89: And then you installed Ubuntu and the Bluetooth has never worked on it, correct?
[21:36] <rick89> Yes
[21:36] <arrayboltXE> oerheks: When you say you use bluez to control BT, how do you mean? I don't see any GUI tools in the bluez package.
[21:37] <arrayboltXE> rick89: What happens if you run "bluetoothctl" in a terminal?
[21:37] <rick89> Agent registered
[21:38] <rick89> https://imgur.com/a/Xj9zGIA
[21:39] <arrayboltXE> Yeah, it's not detecting the Bluetooth chip, I don't think.
[21:40] <arrayboltXE> rick89: Try running "power on" while in bluetoothctl.
[21:40] <rick89> https://imgur.com/a/mYVufwr
[21:41] <arrayboltXE> Oh that's weird, it turned on and then immediately back off again?
[21:42] <arrayboltXE> rick89: Open a new terminal and try the "sudo dmesg | grep firmware | nc termbin.com 9999" thing again.
[21:42] <arrayboltXE> If that doesn't give a whole lot of data, maybe just do "sudo dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999" so I can see the whole log and look for anything interesting that happened when you did the power cycle.
[21:43] <rick89> https://termbin.com/axjxj
[21:43] <arrayboltXE> OK, that still isn't showing anything about a failed firmware load, so I'm going to assume that the chip is almost working and simply glitching.
[21:43] <rick89> https://termbin.com/j1u3
[21:45] <arrayboltXE> That has me thoroughly confused. There's not hardly anything about Bluetooth in dmesg, and the bit there is doesn't say anything about the odd "instant poweroff".
[21:47] <arrayboltXE> rick89: Still looking to see if I can figure out what's wrong here. Thanks for your patience.
[21:47] <rick89> No, thanks for your help.
[21:48] <rick89> How can I know the exact model of bluetooth chip I have?
[21:48] <arrayboltXE> lsusb -v might tell you. You can try "sudo lsusb -v | nc termbin.com 9999" if you want to share that with me, but I don't know if that will help much. Might come in handy, though.
[21:49] <arrayboltXE> For me, I can see "Bus 003 Device 004: ID 8087:0026 Intel Corp. AX201 Bluetooth", so I assume it would print something similar on your device.
[21:50] <rick89> https://termbin.com/yxx2
[21:50] <i-garrison> rick89: it's in the dmesg actually Vendor=13d3, Product=3529 IMC Networks realtek bluetooth radio
[21:51] <arrayboltXE> i-garrison: Nice, I missed that.
[21:51] <oerheks> sudo apt install rtl8821ce-dkms https://askubuntu.com/questions/1386578/no-wifi-adapter-found-asus
[21:51] <oerheks> or the git down below that answer
[21:52] <arrayboltXE> oerheks: +1, rick89: I think the gist of that post says to just do "sudo apt install rtl8821ce-dkms".
[21:53] <oerheks> worth a try, the 1st step
[21:53] <arrayboltXE> If that comes with different firmware for the Bluetooth chip, that will almost certainly work. It's definitely the right driver for that chip.
[21:53] <arrayboltXE> (The WiFi chip I mean.)
[21:53] <arrayboltXE> And WiFi and Bluetooth are usually part of the same thing.
[21:54] <oerheks> i hope wifi keeps working
[21:54] <rick89> I got stuck at 60%
[21:55] <arrayboltXE> rick89: Just give it a bit, it might take a while.
[21:55] <rick89> https://imgur.com/a/L4DE5xE
[21:55] <arrayboltXE> Yeah, it's building the driver from source. It might stick there for a bit.
[21:55] <rick89> ok
[21:55] <arrayboltXE> oerheks: In the event it breaks WiFi (which I don't think it will, it's the exact driver for that chip), simply uninstalling it should fix it.
[21:56] <rick89> https://dpaste.org/h0wyk
[21:56] <arrayboltXE> Looks normal. Just give it a bit.
[21:57] <rick89> It already ended
[21:57] <rick89> I am gonna restart the laptop to see if it works. Give me a second. I'll be right back.
[21:57] <arrayboltXE> +1, see you in a bit!
[21:57] <oerheks> :-)
[21:58] <arrayboltXE> oerheks: I probably would have taken a *long* time to think of installing the other WiFi driver. Nice looking out.
[22:03] <rick89> arrayboltXE Hello again. It does not work. The WiFi keeps working
[22:03] <oerheks> so the DKMS trick did not work, try the other GIT step
[22:04] <arrayboltXE> Incase the link isn't still available, https://askubuntu.com/questions/1386578/no-wifi-adapter-found-asus
[22:05] <arrayboltXE> oerheks, rick89: I personally would uninstall the current driver (the one downloaded with apt) *BEFORE* trying to install the driver from Git.
[22:05] <rick89> how to?
[22:05] <arrayboltXE> sudo apt remove rtl8821ce-dkms
[22:07] <rick89> will it uninstall my wifi driver?
[22:09] <arrayboltXE> rick89: It should leave the one you were using before, but I see your point.
[22:09] <arrayboltXE> Hmm... I've seen reports of there being some sort of kernel patch that fixed it or something, or some firmware something that helped.
[22:10] <arrayboltXE> rick89: You *might* be able to try installing a mainline kernel and see if it starts working then, but if there's any other way to fix the problem, that would be ideal.
[22:13] <arrayboltXE> I'm going to keep digging and see if there's other possible solutions.
[22:14] <arrayboltXE> rick89: What does "rfkill" show?
[22:18] <Ntemis> hello
[22:19] <Ntemis> i messed up my install by trying to install a nemo file manager update from mint
[22:19] <Ntemis> now nothing launches
[22:19] <Ntemis> i need to remove
[22:19] <Ntemis> mint-common* mint-translations* mintsources*
[22:19] <Ntemis> but it doesnt let me do it
[22:19] <Ntemis> it complains that those are essential packages which are not
[22:20] <Ntemis> am not on mint
[22:20] <Ntemis> PLEASE HELP
[22:20] <Ntemis> sudo dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq mintsources
[22:20] <Ntemis> this is an essential package; it should not be removed
[22:20] <Ntemis> am desperate
[22:21] <leftyfb> Ntemis: you are now running an OS that is either Ubuntu nor Mint. You need to reinstall from scratch. There is no recovering.
[22:21] <Ntemis> nooo
[22:21] <Ntemis> there must be a way
[22:21] <leftyfb> there is not
[22:22] <Ntemis> you sure?
[22:22] <leftyfb> Ntemis: Installing Ubuntu and restoring from backup should be fairly quick and easy
[22:22] <Ntemis> i have dozens of data
[22:22] <Ntemis> open projects
[22:22] <leftyfb> yep, restore from backup
[22:22] <Ntemis> no an easy task
[22:23] <Ntemis> i dont have a backup
[22:23] <leftyfb> sure it is. It's just a cp or rsync
[22:23] <leftyfb> oh, then the data wasn't important to begin with. That makes things even easier
[22:23] <WaV> Boot from a Live CD and backup asap before you do anything else
[22:23] <Ntemis> system is up
[22:23] <Ntemis> but nothing launches
[22:24] <Ntemis> iu get these warnings
[22:24] <Ntemis> Traceback (most recent call last):
[22:24] <Ntemis>   File "/usr/bin/mintsources", line 14, in <module>
[22:24] <Ntemis>     exit(subprocess.run(["/usr/lib/linuxmint/mintSources/mintSources.py"] + args).returncode)
[22:24] <Ntemis>   File "/usr/lib/python3.10/subprocess.py", line 501, in run
[22:24] <Ntemis>     with Popen(*popenargs, **kwargs) as process:
[22:24] <WaV> I don't need the warnings.
[22:24]  * leftyfb sigh
[22:24] <WaV> You need to boot form a live cd and backup asap.
[22:24] <leftyfb> Ntemis: make a backup, reinstall, restore from backup. That is your only option
[22:31] <sarnold> ouch
[22:32] <sarnold> honestly that feels likely to be recoverable to me, but if he's here asking for help on it then it seems unlikely to be within his skills to do
[22:33] <Jeremy31> Likely have to remove the Mint source then remove foreign packages
[22:34] <leftyfb> nah, we've run into this before here. Pulling any packages from the mint repos overrides more than half of the Ubuntu core packages
[22:34] <Jeremy31> leftyfb: That is Pin priority that Mint uses
[22:35] <leftyfb> You're talking hours and potentially days worth of work from someone who knows what they are doing. And that would work fine if we knew the exact state the system was in before becoming mintbuntu. It's not worth it.
[22:37] <sarnold> leftyfb: *ouch* yeah that sounds brutal
[22:37] <sarnold> leftyfb: I figured it'd be about ten packages :(
[22:37] <Jeremy31> Looks like 3 files in /etc/apt/preferences.d in Mint that don't exist in Ubuntu
[22:38] <leftyfb> sarnold: I THINK libc6 might be one of them
[22:38] <Jeremy31> leftyfb: libc6 is not one but I know base-files is
[22:42] <Dave92f1> Hi all. In LXQt, is there some way to get it to leave my desktop icons where I put them?
[22:42] <Dave92f1> Right now if I move an icon to another screen location, it moves around all the other ones to fill in the "missing" spot on the desktop.
[22:42] <Dave92f1> I want it to leave things where I put them.
[22:42] <arrayboltXE> Lemme find out...
[22:42] <arrayboltXE> What version of Ubuntu?
[22:43] <Dave92f1> Lubuntu 2204 LTS.
[22:44] <Dave92f1> Let me correct what I said a little bit. It does that if I move a file (example: a PDF). It doesn't do that if I move a launcher.
[22:44] <arrayboltXE> Dave92f1: Annoyingly, it looks like an iceon stops automatically moving once you've moved it and put it back once.
[22:45] <arrayboltXE> So you *might* have to move each individual icon, then put it back where it was, in order to get it to allow you to control everything.
[22:45] <arrayboltXE> Once I do that, it looks like it does things the way you're hoping for it to.
[22:45] <arrayboltXE> Lemme reboot the test system and see if it sticks.\
[22:46] <arrayboltXE> Yeah, looks like things persist after a reboot.
[22:46] <Dave92f1> arrayboltXE: Hey, yeah that did it! I selected ALL the icons with the mouse (a big rectangle selection), moved them all a bit to the right, then back again. Now they stay where put.
[22:46] <arrayboltXE> Oh nice, I didn't think to do that. \o/
[22:47] <Dave92f1> arrayboltXE: Do I need to do it again for all new files?
[22:47] <arrayboltXE> Unsure, but I think so.
[22:48] <arrayboltXE> I don't know if there's anyway to turn off sorting in PCManFM-Qt.  I'm on the edge of swapping DEs anyway. Do KDE and GNOME and Cinnamon do the same thing?
[22:48] <arrayboltXE> (PCManFM-Qt is the part of Lubuntu that handles desktop icons.)
[22:48] <arrayboltXE> I hardly ever use desktop icons so I don't actually know.
[22:50] <rick89> arrayboltXE rfkill
[22:50] <rick89> ID TYPE      DEVICE      SOFT      HARD
[22:50] <rick89>  0 wlan      phy0   unblocked unblocked
[22:50] <rick89>  1 bluetooth hci0   unblocked unblocked
[22:50] <leftyfb> !paste | rick89
[22:50] <Dave92f1> Nothing obvious in Edit>Preferences for PCManFM-Qt.  Doesn't everyone what things to stay where they put them? If they move around by themselves, how will you know where to find them?)
[22:50] <rick89> ok
[22:54] <arrayboltXE> rick89: Sorry, I've gotten slightly distracted by personal stuff, I might be a bit before I can resume troubleshooting.
[23:02] <Hans> You guys and girls are really good at computer right
[23:02] <Hans> I have a problem.
[23:02] <Hans> So I set up a file server at home running and really old Ubuntu OS. I access the server from my windows computer. I did this about 15 years ago, not know much about Ubuntu (having only used in on occations for fun).
[23:02] <Hans> I thought it was a smart idea, allocating space for me and my daughter on the server.
[23:02] <Hans> Now my daughter, now married and has not been living at home for over 10 years, wants her files on the Ubuntu server. So I thought this will be easy - I'll just change the permissions to me and send them to her. As I am an administrator on my Ubuntu sever, I thought I'd just log in and change it.
[23:02] <Hans> But I can't. I've tried grafic OS and also the terminal with chmod, but whatever I do the servers tells me to fck off.
[23:02] <Hans> Is there a super user mode I must use and if so -  how do I use it.
[23:04] <ravage> Hans: sudo
[23:05] <leftyfb> they left
[23:05] <ravage> oh
[23:05] <leftyfb> they asked for help and left 1 minute later
[23:07] <rick89> bye friends
[23:07] <rick89> thanks for your help
[23:08] <rick89> a cookie for everyone
[23:11] <arrayboltXE> Gah, and now I'm back!
[23:11]  * arrayboltXE is slightly frustrated


[00:00] <Patrickdk> just made one, if it is approved
[00:12] <pmatulis> hallyn_: there now.  i was trying to use other variations in order to continue using preseed.  still not done but i sent in the command i used to get my previous bug comment
[00:51] <fun69> hey folks
[00:51] <fun69> :)))
[00:52] <fun69> I installed nomachine to connect to ubuntu server running gnome - connecting from win7 machine - yet to get full screen
[00:52] <fun69> any advice?
[00:52] <fun69> how to make it full screen :)
[00:56] <sarnold> fun69: windows things often use alt+enter to full-screen
[00:56] <sarnold> or they did back in winnt 4.0 days :) heh
[00:56] <fun69> sarnold: i get full screen but actual ubuntu machine in it is small
[00:57] <fun69> lol
[00:57] <sarnold> fun69: change the 'resolution' of your X server?
[00:58] <fun69> hmm sarnold u mean change it somewhere in ubuntu?
[00:58] <fun69> at this stage I am bit like umm
[00:58] <fun69> :d
[00:58] <fun69> :)
[01:08] <hallyn_> pmatulis: man the code has just totally changed - moved to different filenames and reorg'd.  i may push the debdiff that i said didn't fix it anyway and investigate the next failure differently
[01:09] <pmatulis> hm
[01:14] <sarnold> fun69: yeah, there's gotta be something that says how large to make the display, right?
[01:14] <fun69> sarnold: ok its seems nomachine win for some reason sets diff resolution
[01:14] <fun69> checking how to change it :D
[01:14] <sarnold> fun69: woo :) have fun
[01:14] <fun69> 1680x1050 1024x768
[01:14] <fun69> nr 2 is that nomachine resolution :D
[01:26] <fun69> https://www.nomachine.com/forums/forums/topic/how-can-i-get-higher-screen-resolution
[01:26] <fun69> lol
[01:30] <sarnold> fun69: I have a feeling that titan and dallas just didn't understand each other
[01:31] <fun69> same :D
[01:31] <fun69> I just checked nomachine node in gnome - it says no clients connected
[01:32] <fun69> hmm I wonder if they have irc room
[01:32] <fun69> nope :D
[01:33] <hallyn_> pmatulis: (not that you wanna follow this play-by-play, but) it appears commit 101f176ae4e15d019b570ad5b37794e4bb1fd8ce in libvirt may have something to do with the problem i'm having
[01:34] <atpa8a> beisner: thanks! found the same
[01:34] <atpa8a> setcap solved it
[01:35] <pmatulis> hallyn_: i just wish i could help in some way.  lemme know if you want me to test anything.  so far, this would be a terrible bug to have
[01:37] <atpa8a> ok... so... i don't think it's ubuntu (it's the router likely) but until i ping the 14.04 box from one of the other boxes, the 14.04 box cannot ping the gateway...
[01:37] <hallyn_> pmatulis: thanks, i just need to figure out who isn't happy with what they're getting, and give them what they want...  hopefully i'll find it before mid-day tomorrow.
[01:38] <atpa8a> after any reboot that is
[01:42] <hallyn_> hm, the object being passed in is not a stream class
[01:52] <fun69> :)))
[02:19] <coderanger> Can anyone confirm that the openssl 1.0.1-4ubuntu5.12 package is safe?
[02:20] <coderanger> The output from openssl version -a and some other markers point to it possibly being cranky
[02:20] <sarnold> coderanger: yes, that's the fixed version: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2165-1/
[02:20] <coderanger> built on: Tue Jun  4 07:26:06 UTC 2013
[02:21] <coderanger> Also the local CHANGELOG.gz has no entry for the fix
[02:22] <Patrickdk> the changelog does too
[02:22] <Patrickdk> your reading the wrong thing
[02:22] <Patrickdk> cause that is the 5.11 package
[02:22] <Patrickdk> not 5.12
[02:22] <coderanger> Nah, figured it out
[02:22] <coderanger> need to upgrade libssl1.0.0 as well
[02:22] <Patrickdk> oh hell, not even 5.11
[02:22] <Patrickdk> that is older than crap
[03:24] <thumper> stgraber, hallyn_: any idea why on a precise aws image, I get this: $ ubuntu-cloudimg-query trusty released amd64 --format '%{url}\n'
[03:24] <thumper> confused by argument: trusty -- when trying to create a trusty ubuntu-cloud image?
[03:29] <stgraber> probably because
[03:29] <stgraber> ubuntu-cloudimg-query on precise uses some hardcoded list
[03:30] <stgraber> also unless that changed recently, trusty isn't marked as "released", you'd need to use "daily" at the moment
[03:38] <thumper> stgraber: hmm... that same line works on my trustry machine
[03:38] <thumper> https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/query/trusty/server/released-dl.current.txt
[03:42] <stgraber> ah right, final beta counts as released
[03:43] <hallyn_> i think even alpha did
[03:43] <hallyn_> oh maybe not
[03:44] <thumper> the problem is people creating precise machines with juju then trying to create trusty lxc containers on them
[03:45] <thumper> the lxc is updated, but it is using ubuntu-cloudimg-query to find the image
[03:45] <thumper> which fails
[03:47] <thumper> any idea which package provides that executable?
[03:47] <hallyn_> utlemming: smoser: ^ are those the right arguments for ubuntu-cloudimg-query, and should they work on precise?
[03:47] <thumper> and if we can update it?
[03:48] <hallyn_> you mean ubuntu-cloudimg-query?  that's cloud-image-utils.
[03:48] <thumper> I wonder if that is in the cloud-tools archive
[03:49]  * thumper goes to make coffee
[03:59] <hallyn_> pmatulis: eureka, found it.  will push a fix tonight
[04:04] <stgraber> hallyn_: "eureka, found it", that's a pretty redundant statement :)
[04:05] <hallyn_> admittedly
[04:06]  * hallyn_ looks around for his old greek prof
[04:06] <hallyn_> nowhere to be found - i'll just wait for this to be forgotten on the internet
[04:06] <hallyn_> chuckle
[04:06] <hallyn_> drwxrwxr-x 13<PHONE_NUMBER> Mar 23 22:45 /usr
[04:06] <hallyn_> this probably is not good
[04:07] <stgraber> who's 501:501?
[04:07] <hallyn_> not in /etc/group
[04:07] <hallyn_> or passwd
[04:08] <stgraber> fun
[04:08] <hallyn_> i did just purge apache2, maybe that did it
[04:08] <hallyn_> or, it was openssl and being on ipv6
[04:08] <stgraber> both seem rather unlikely
[04:09] <hallyn_> you're telling me not to pull out the gasoline and lighter just yet?
[04:09] <stgraber> :)
[04:09] <hallyn_> stgraber: oh hey, do you happen to know exactly how/when users get added to group sudo during an install from iso?
[04:10] <hallyn_> the problem is, when users install libvirt using tasksel, libvirt-bin.postinst is not placing the initial user into grou plibvirtd - presumably bc he is not yet in group sudo.
[04:10] <hallyn_> i'm wondering whether marking libvirt-bin as Pre-Depends: sudo would solve it
[04:10] <hallyn_> (hard to test without making a new iso)
[04:11] <hallyn_> hm, i suppose the question would be how/when the user gets created.  presumably at end of install.  Pre-Depends would not then help.
[04:12] <stgraber> user-setup would be the one adding the user to the group I suspect
[04:13] <stgraber> and indeed, user creation happens very late in d-i, after packages are installed anyway
[04:13] <hallyn_> so there's really nothing libvirt can do, apart from writing some sudo hook?
[04:14] <stgraber> user-setup-apply does it and it's called from finish-install.d
[04:15]  * hallyn_ looks at user-setup src
[04:16] <stgraber> so you could patch user-setup-apply to detect and deal with libvirt membership which may be very well be the easiest there. Otherwise you can also document that people doing that kind of preseeded installs should set passwd/user-default-groups to include libvirtd
[04:18] <hallyn_> setting passwd/user-default-groups would be done using preseed?
[04:19] <stgraber> yeah. You could also ship a hook which would do it but that'd require introducing a new udeb just for that.
[04:20] <stgraber> so if you mostly care about people doing automated deployments, documenting the preseed option is probably the way to go. If you care about people simply doing a standard install from media and selection libvirt in tasksel, then you probably want to go the user-setup route.
[04:21] <hallyn_> well i don't know that anyone does standard install from media that way any more, but it is pretty easy to do...  hm.
[04:22] <hallyn_> stgraber: thanks, i'll mark down both options for now and sleep on it :)
[04:47] <jamescarr> is the heartleed bug fixed on 12.04?
[05:39] <cdown> Is it expected that there is no patched version of OpenSSL to fix CVE-2014-0160 in the repositories? At least on the NL mirrors, I have no upgrade path available from 1.0.1c-4ubuntu8.2.
[05:41] <cdown> That is on 13.04.
[05:42] <cdown> Wait, 13.04 is out of support.
[05:42] <cdown> Never mind me, time to upgrade...
[07:51] <RoyK> https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20140407.txt
[07:53] <RoyK> http://filippo.io/Heartbleed/
[07:56] <lordievader> I think the openssl in Saucy is already patched: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/+source/openssl/1.0.1e-3ubuntu1.2
[08:18] <kikimeter> do you know the frequency of the update for the ubuntu mirror ?
[08:19] <kikimeter> an apt-get upgrade on ubuntu 13.10 dont update openssl
[08:20] <RoyK> kikimeter: did you run the test I posted above? http://filippo.io/Heartbleed/
[08:22] <kikimeter> yes
[08:22] <kikimeter> I pass the test :(
[08:22] <RoyK> well, if you passed, what's the problem? ;)
[08:22] <kikimeter> my english should be bad
[08:23] <kikimeter> I have to update my openssl on my server
[08:23] <kikimeter> I have the 1.0.1e
[08:24] <kikimeter> An apt-get update && apt-get upgrade should fix the version of openssl
[08:24] <kikimeter> my unattended-upgrade did nothing
[08:25] <kikimeter> and apt-get update && apt-get upgrade say everything ok
[08:25] <kikimeter> So maybe the mirror (french mirror) are not up to date right now
[08:31] <lordievader> RoyK: Can't say I've tested it, I'm afraid, don't run an https server here.
[08:34] <RoyK> k
[08:34] <RoyK> bug affects ssh too, though
[08:34] <RoyK> but don't know a test for that
[08:42] <xperia> hi. i am trying to configure mysql to use a partition as raw device for storing the data. in /etc/mysql/my.cnf i have this line here
[08:42] <xperia> innodb_data_file_path = /dev/sda3:268435456000newraw ownership of /dev/sda3 was changed to mysql:mysql
[08:42] <xperia> when i try to start mysql however i get allways the error message => 140408 10:36:11  InnoDB: Operating system error number 13 in a file operation.
[08:42] <xperia> InnoDB: The error means mysqld does not have the access rights to InnoDB: the directory. InnoDB: File name /dev/sda3 InnoDB: File operation call: 'open'. InnoDB: Cannot continue operation.
[08:42] <xperia> What is here the Problem? I have set up the permission right but mysql fails still to open the /dev/sda3 to use it as raw device. Where is the Problem and how can i fix it?
[08:49] <mardraum> xperia: any apparmor errors?
[08:52] <xperia> mardraum: thanks a lot for the reply. here is the error line =>  kernel: [ 2527.331188] type=1400 audit(1396946978.024:79): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="/usr/sbin/mysqld" name="/dev/sda3" pid=9561 comm="mysqld" requested_mask="rw" denied_mask="rw" fsuid=118 ouid=0
[08:57] <bekks> xperia: apparmor denies raw access.
[08:57] <bekks> xperia: Either lower that mysql profile security, disable it, or edit the profile.
[08:58] <xperia> bekks: yeah going to change then apparmor profile
[09:14] <xperia> mardraum	: bekks	: finally i could solve the problem but there is a new problem with reformating the raw device partition by mysql. based on parted information i set the size of the partition as<PHONE_NUMBER>00 Bytes. For some strange reason however mysql stops the formating of the device before the end
[09:14] <xperia> 140408 11:00:02  InnoDB: Setting file /dev/sda3 size to 256000 MB InnoDB: Database physically writes the file full: wait...
[09:14] <xperia> InnoDB: Progress in MB: 100 .... 15600 Exit
[09:15] <xperia> asking me if the problem has to do with the EXT4 Filesystem. Erasing the Partition and retrying.
[09:17] <bekks> raw device access never has anything to do with a filesystem.
[09:17] <bekks> Either you put your files on a filesystem, or you are using raw devices.
[09:17] <bekks> Thats basically why it is called "raw device access".
[09:24] <xperia> bekks: yeah but how can i tell mysqld the right size so it does not stop the reformating of the raw device. i used parted to get the size in Bytes and told mysql to use that size. after erasing of the partition mysql was able to format 100GB more Space in the partition now but it still stoped the proces and failed to start.
[09:24] <xperia>
[11:37] <pmatulis> morning
[11:47] <jamespage> zul, could you do the honours for a new libvirt for the CA please (icehouse)
[11:48] <jamespage> zul, working on a new point release for ceph right now
[11:50] <zul> jamespage:  yep
[11:51] <jamespage> zul: ta
[11:51] <jamespage> zul, i've pushed cinder and swift through to updates btw
[12:26] <smoser> stgraber, thumper, apt-get install distro-info
[12:26] <smoser> and that fixes the hard coded list.
[12:26] <smoser> we can sru a touch to that package to know about trusty though.
[12:31] <zul> jamespage:  cool thanks
[12:46] <ice9> if I need to upgrade an application for security fix but it's package is not ready yet in the repo, what should I do, install it from source? but then how do I keep tracking with recent version?
[12:46] <ice9> in the future
[13:10] <rbasak> hallyn: does bug 1302724 need attention before Trusty's release? It's not clear to me.
[13:10] <rbasak> zul: ^^
[13:10] <pmatulis> hallyn: virt-install is looking good!
[13:12] <rbasak> jamespage: do you know why unbound has ~ubuntu-server subscribed? I don't see it seeded.
[13:12]  * rbasak is wondering about the priority for bug 1303477
[13:12] <jamespage> rbasak, gaughen added it - unbound and strongswan just got accked for MIR
[13:13] <rbasak> Ah
[13:13] <jamespage> rbasak, still it might need seeding in the server-supported seed
[13:13] <rbasak> I was party to that email, but had forgotten. Thanks!
[13:14] <zul> rbasak:  dont think so ill double check
[13:14] <rbasak> jpds: could you take a look at bug 1303477 please? Is this important?
[13:15] <rbasak> It _sounds_ like a fundamental and important issue to me, but I haven't confirmed it.
[13:18] <zul> rbasak:  yeah thats fixed in an SRU i just havent backported it to the CA yet
[13:20] <rbasak> zul: ah, thanks. I found bug 1287232. This one is a dupe of that one then, right?
[13:21]  * rbasak marks it so
[13:22] <zul> rbanffy:  yes
[13:22] <zul> effing autocomplete
[13:22] <zul> rbasak:  yes
[13:22] <rbasak> OK, thanks!
[13:22] <rbanffy> You woke me up, zul ;-)
[13:23] <zul> jamespage:  libvirt uploaded...just going to go fix havana
[13:30] <jamespage> zul, ta
[13:31]  * smb squeals at hearing libvirt upload from zul
[13:32] <smb> ubuntu10 would be ok, I saw that already. :)
[13:38] <jpds> rbasak: The odd thing about that bug is that it's related to saucy.
[13:39] <rbasak> jpds: does it affect Trusty also? Or is it fixed now?
[13:39] <jpds> rbasak: Trusty should be working fine.
[13:39] <jpds> I'll spin up a test VM just to be sure.
[13:39] <rbasak> jpds: thanks!
[13:40] <jpds> rbasak: Trusty did have an issue that I fixed yesterday: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unbound/+bug/1303088
[13:40] <rbasak> I tried to confirm bug 1303477 the other day, but I got confused results.
[14:00] <hallyn> pmatulis: excellent
[14:01] <hallyn> rbasak: I'm confused.  is it really a bug?
[14:01] <rbasak> hallyn: zul resolved it as a dupe now.
[14:01] <rbasak> (fixed in Trusty, AIUI)
[14:02] <hallyn> rbasak: ok, thx
[14:02] <zul> rbasak:  thanks
[14:03] <batok> Is openssh server affected by heartbleed bug?
[14:03] <jrwren> no.
[14:04] <jrwren> openssh doesn't do ssl over tcp directly.
[14:04] <batok> tks jrwren
[14:06] <jpds> rbasak: Yeah, works fine for me on trusty.
[14:12] <rbasak> jpds: thanks for testing! Do you mind commenting and marking https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unbound/+bug/1303477 as Fix Released then, please?
[14:13] <jpds> rbasak: Done.
[14:13] <rbasak> Thanks!
[14:17] <zul> coreycb:  hey do you have keystone rc2 yet?
[14:18] <coreycb> zul, still building.  tests are taking a long time.
[14:18] <zul> coreycb: ack
[14:21] <jamespage> zul, foobar - can't get docker to work today
[14:21] <jamespage> zul, trying on something other than my laptop...
[14:23] <jamespage> kirkland, the ubuntu orange in the byobu status bar really hurts my eyes :-)
[14:24] <zul> jamespage:  docker is foobared?
[14:24] <jamespage> zul, neither the upstream packages or the latest in debian can stop/kill running containers
[14:24] <jamespage> I can start them OK :-)
[14:25] <jamespage> zul, hmm - seems to be a 0.9.x issue
[14:26] <zul> jamespage:  lovely want me to have a look?
[14:26] <jamespage> zul, sure - but don't put it higher than openstack
[14:26] <jamespage> zul, the 0.8.1 we have in archive is OK - but that is using the lxc package for cgroups interaction
[14:26] <jamespage> zul, 0.9.0 upwards uses libcontainer to interact directly
[14:27] <jamespage> I suspect that is where the issue lies
[14:27] <jamespage> kirkland, fyi and I know you are interested in docker ^^
[14:40] <zul> jamespage:  cool lemme talk to eric and see if he has seen it
[14:41] <jamespage> zul, +1
[14:42] <zul> jamescarr:  he hasnt seen it
[14:42] <zul> jamespage: he hasnt seen it but he hasnt played much with 0.9.1
[14:42] <jamespage> zul, get the same with 0.9.0
[14:44] <zul> jamespage:  gimme a sec wanna try something first
[14:44] <jamescarr> huh
[14:53] <zul> jamespage:  hmm...i cant even start a container
[14:53] <jamespage> zul, with 0.9?
[14:53] <zul> 0.8.1
[14:53] <zul> the version in trusty
[14:55] <jamespage> zul, oh - that's OK for me
[14:55] <jamescarr> how can I tell if the openssl version I have installed has the fix???
[14:55] <Pici> !sslbug
[14:56] <Pici> hmm.. thats annoying.
[14:56] <zul> jamespage:  where did you get 0.9 from?
[14:56] <jrwren> great, the bots are talking.
[14:56] <jamescarr> how can I tell if the 1.0.1 version of openssl I installed is patched?
[14:56] <jamespage> zul, I pulled it from debian and built it AND i tried from the upstream repositories
[14:57] <jamespage> jamescarr, apt-get changelog openssl
[14:57] <jamespage> check the fix is in the version you are using
[14:57] <zul> jamespage: ah ok
[15:01] <jamespage> zul, one sec - have a hint from upstream
[15:01] <jamespage> apparently apparmor profile needs a fix
[15:02] <zul> jamescarr:  ah
[15:02] <DefunctProcess> hey guys I need some recommendations for some server apps with slick web interfaces for admininstration.  I need a VPN,FTP,PROXY,SAMBA....
[15:03] <DefunctProcess> no love?
[15:04] <cfhowlett> !patience|DefunctProcess
[15:04] <jrwren> DefunctProcess: it is an area lacking IMO
[15:04] <jrwren> DefunctProcess: and we linux types tend to love cmdline and text files for config
[15:05] <jrwren> DefunctProcess: and with things moving to cloud more, we are moving toward not administering single servers, but services which may be on many servers, so admin for that becomes - different.
[15:05] <jrwren> DefunctProcess: once you look at it that way, juju-gui might be the gui you want :)
[15:07] <i_am_good> I am getting "grub-install failed /dev/sdf FATAL ERROR" during installation. Every time it's failing when it gets to GRUB. I chose to use guided partition (entire disk). What am I missing?
[15:08] <DefunctProcess> webmin.... webmin has a frontend for proxy, ftp, samba and vpn
[15:08] <zul> jamespage: yeah that fixed it for me
[15:08] <jamespage> zul, me to
[15:08] <cfhowlett> !webmin|DefunctProcess
[15:08] <jamespage> I had to scrub the existing docker profile first tho
[15:08] <zul> jamespage:  should we bump docker.io in trusty then?
[15:08] <zul> with the patch
[15:08] <DefunctProcess> what is the successor then? juju-gui as suggested?
[15:09] <jamespage> zul, I've been waiting for a FFe for two weeks now
[15:09] <zul> jamespage:  oh maybe bug daviey then
[15:09] <jrwren> certainly not.
[15:09] <jrwren> and I did not mean to suggest juju-gui as an alt. I'm suggesting rethinking hte entire need for such a tool :]
[15:12] <DefunctProcess> jrwren: i cannot demo juju as my browser at work is not supported, care to give a breif summary?
[15:13] <jrwren> DefunctProcess: cloud orchestration tool.
[15:15] <DefunctProcess> jrwren: does this mean the services must be running in the cloud or can i run them locally?
[15:16] <jrwren> DefunctProcess: there are some backends which can run local.
[15:16] <jrwren> DefunctProcess: it will definitely be a mindshift. its is NOT a server admin tool.
[15:16] <DefunctProcess> jrwren: this is not what i want, but I appreciate your help.
[15:18] <jrwren> DefunctProcess: sorry for confusing. gl.
[15:23] <zul> jamespage: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1304107
[15:24] <jamespage> zul, OK - can you confirm that? I did not see issues on trusty yesterday
[15:26] <zul> jamespage: ill try
[15:31] <coreycb> zul, jamespage : https://code.launchpad.net/~corey.bryant/keystone/2014.1.rc2/+merge/214793
[15:31] <jamespage> hallyn, what's your take on the state of bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1254872
[15:31] <bijoo_> Hi, how to reproduce the heartbleed bug?
[15:32] <jamespage> do we have enought to say that's good for acceptance yet?
[15:32] <bijoo_> Everyone's clamoring but no steps.
[15:36] <hallyn> jamespage: i think so...  my impression is there's another bug but this did solve one.
[15:36] <zul> coreycb: looks good to me
[15:41] <coreycb> zul thanks
[15:44] <zul> coreycb/jamespage: keystone rc2 uploaded
[15:44] <RoyK> hi all. trying to install rrdcached on precise64, but it just fails with a segfault when attempting to start: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7222097/. Can't see any issues with anything else, and if it were a memory issue, I *would* have seen more processes crash after a couple of reboots etc...
[15:45] <jgornick> Hey guys, are there any extra steps other than upgrading to fix the latest openssl fix? Do I need to regenerate SSH keys?
[15:45] <jgornick> I'm also running 12.04.
[15:52] <batok> how can I upgrade openssl in 13.04?
[15:53] <cfhowlett> !eol|batok
[15:53] <cfhowlett> batok 13.04 has reached end of life.  see above
[15:57] <patdk-wk> jgornick, no
[15:58] <batok> cfhowlett is it possible to upgrade an aws ec2 instance 13.04 to a supported version?
[15:58] <jrwren> jgornick: ssh keys are fine.
[15:58] <jgornick> patdk-wk: Ok, I would only have to regenerate any SSL certs that are used for the site?
[15:58] <patdk-wk> yes, smtp, imap, pop, https, ftps, ...
[15:59] <cfhowlett> batok my advice is to upgrade your OS to a supported version: 12.04, 13.10, hell, even the 14.04 beta preferable to running an unsupported OS
[15:59] <jgornick> patdk-wk: Thank you.
[16:01] <batok> tks cfhowlett
[16:04] <jgornick> After upgrading and restarting Apache2, if I run
[16:04] <jgornick> ... crap...
[16:04] <jgornick> After upgrading and restarting Apache2, if I run "ls -l /proc/*/fd | grep ssl.*(deleted)" it still shows that apache2 ssl_mutex is deleted. Any thoughts? I'm performing steps from: http://askubuntu.com/questions/444702/how-to-patch-cve-2014-0160-in-openssl/444905#444905
[16:20] <batok> How can I upgrade, with sudo apt-get upgrade or running do-release-upgrade script?
[16:20] <cfhowlett> batok do-release-upgrade
[16:20] <batok> as sudo?
[16:20] <ryan_turner|MTW> Is it a wise decision to install ubuntu 12.04 today and update to 14.04 once released, or install 12.04 and then once 14.04 is released, wipe&reinstall?
[16:21] <JediMaster> hi all, I'm doing a do-release-upgrade on a 13.04 ubuntu-server install to get it to 13.10 to get the latest openssl/ssh vulnerabilities patched
[16:22] <batok> cfhowlett sudo do-release-upgrade or without sudo¿
[16:22] <JediMaster> the do-release-upgrade got stuck for 10 minutes updating the /etc/mysql/mysql.conf file then carried on going, it's now been sitting for nearly 30 minutes doing: Removing any system startup links for /etc/init.d/rpcbind ...
[16:22] <cfhowlett> batok with
[16:22] <JediMaster> I can see there are 40 zombie processes (there were 0 when it started)
[16:25] <Daviey> mdeslaur: Hey, CVE-2014-0076 on ~ubuntu-security CVE tracker has a Priority of Medium.  Is that accurate, if so - how did you come to that?
[16:26] <Daviey> Oh forget that. Looking at the wrong one. :)
[16:29] <JediMaster> 50 zombie processes, still waiting on that rpcbind system startup link for 30+ minutes now
[16:31] <JediMaster> you can't kill zombies right? =)
[16:31] <JediMaster> got a bunch of defunct processes who's parent process ID are now 1
[16:31] <alex-foo> i'm not seeing an openssl 'heartbleed' fix for 10.04 LTS yet -- is it coming?
[16:32] <Pici> alex-foo: it is not applicalble for 0.9.8
[16:32] <alex-foo> oh, so it was never vulnerable! phew
[16:32] <alex-foo> thanks!
[16:32] <Pici> np
[16:36]  * koolhead17 looks around
[16:36] <mdeslaur> Daviey: they're basically all medium...it's the priority that we fix them, not a severity or anything
[16:37] <koolhead17> zul: jamespage hazmat Daviey jcastro adam_g ^^ hellos
[16:37] <Daviey> mdeslaur: Yeah, thanks :)
[16:37] <jamespage> hey koolhead17
[16:38] <koolhead17> jamespage: how are things? anything needed for 14.04 from my side :)
[16:38] <jamespage> koolhead17, ok
[16:38] <jamespage> koolhead17, as always testing testing testing!
[16:39]  * koolhead17 looking forward for the baked 14.04
[16:46]  * hazmat prefer bbq
[16:47] <koolhead17> hazmat: depands with or without juju :P
[16:49] <zul> jamespage:  hey we are doing another upload for libvirt fyi
[16:49] <zul> https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1304107/comments/8
[16:50] <xibalba> hey everyone, is there going to be a pkg update for opeenssl shortly?
[16:51] <patdk-wk> xibalba, what for?
[16:51] <xibalba> the heartbleed stuff
[16:51] <patdk-wk> heh?
[16:52] <patdk-wk> that is old news
[16:52] <patdk-wk> or, why would there need to be ANOTHER pkg update for it?
[16:52] <xibalba> disable heartbeat?
[16:52] <patdk-wk> !usn
[16:52] <patdk-wk> xibalba, did you bother to read that url yet?
[16:53] <xibalba> this one specifically no
[16:53] <patdk-wk> as the pkg fixed heartbleed over 16hours ago
[16:53] <patdk-wk> I dunno what your asking about
[16:53] <xibalba> well i'm just waking up
[16:53] <xibalba> =D
[16:54] <patdk-wk> isn't it normal to check if a fix was already sent to the public, before asking for one?
[16:54] <xibalba> i'm sure it is
[16:54] <xibalba> by that measure i'm abnormal
[16:55] <patdk-wk> better yet, normal to check if your system already automatically installed the security update, before asking where it is :)
[16:55] <xibalba> no i dont have mine autopatch
[16:58] <smoser> hallyn, did you fix that fd leak in cgmanager ?
[16:58] <hallyn> what fd leak?
[16:58] <hallyn> oh, yeah
[16:58] <hallyn> well it wasn't fixed in cgmanger, it was fixed in logind
[16:58] <hallyn> by stgraber :)
[16:59] <hallyn> there is some new defensive behavior in cgmanager upstream but not in trusty to make this harder to happen in the future...
[16:59] <xibalba> hmm my apt-get upgrade brought me to version : OpenSSL 1.0.1f 6 Jan 2014
[17:00] <patdk-wk> xibalba, and?
[17:00] <smoser> hallyn, thanks.
[17:00] <xibalba> f is still vulnerable
[17:00] <patdk-wk> xibalba, did you even BOTHER to read that url?
[17:00] <hallyn> smoser: hopefully that box is no longer having that issue?
[17:00] <patdk-wk> !usn | xibalba
[17:00] <smoser> hallyn, was just curious. handnt seen it.
[17:00] <patdk-wk> !securityupdate
[17:00] <patdk-wk> !securityupdates
[17:01] <hallyn> ah cool.  ok - ttyl
[17:02] <patdk-wk> xibalba, who said 1.0.1f is insecure?
[17:02] <xibalba> https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20140407.txt
[17:02] <xibalba> Only 1.0.1 and 1.0.2-beta releases of OpenSSL are affected including
[17:02] <xibalba> 1.0.1f and 1.0.2-beta1.
[17:02] <patdk-wk> xibalba, and they are running ubuntu?
[17:02] <patdk-wk> or, do they specify what ubuntu versions are vaunerable?
[17:03] <xibalba> this is just openssl's version number
[17:03] <xibalba> the ubuntu one doesn't match?
[17:03] <patdk-wk> xibalba, and what do their versions numbers have to do with ubuntu's?
[17:03] <xibalba> haha are you a troll dude?
[17:03] <smoser> xibalba, what patdk-wk and others are saying, is that if you have ubuntu packages up to date, then you are not vulnerable.
[17:03] <patdk-wk> xibalba, you refuse to read ubuntu's infomation
[17:04] <patdk-wk> you are taking infomation, out of context
[17:04] <xibalba> ubuntu's version # for openssl does not match openssl's versoin #s?
[17:04] <patdk-wk> in this case, not related to ubuntu
[17:04] <smoser> in all supported ubuntu releases, the newest openssl is not vulnerable to that CVE.
[17:04] <smoser> ubuntu patches existing versions, it does not release new upstream versions.
[17:04] <xibalba> ahhhhh
[17:04] <smoser> this is common behavior amoung distros
[17:05] <xibalba> ok i was expecting it to match the same #
[17:05] <patdk-wk> therefore 1.0.1f in ubuntu != openssl 1.0.1f
[17:05] <xibalba> gotcha
[17:05] <patdk-wk> and if you read ubuntu's security info about this
[17:05] <patdk-wk> it would tell you the version in ubuntu that is secure
[17:05] <xibalba> right i just didn't think that was right
[17:06] <jamespage> zul, hallyn: ack
[17:06] <jamespage> I'll hold off promoting anything to -updates just yet
[17:06] <hallyn> ?
[17:06] <hallyn> waht's that pertaining to?
[17:07] <zul> hallyn:  cloud-archive
[17:08] <hallyn> ok
[17:16] <jvargas> Hi
[17:16] <jvargas> Does 13.04 have patch for heartbleed bug?
[17:17] <patdk-wk> 13.04 doesn't even exist
[17:17] <ogra_> all supported releases that need it got it yesterday
[17:18] <patdk-wk> jvargas, http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2014/01/28/ubuntu-13-04-raring-ringtail-end-of-life-reached-on-january-27-2014/
[17:18] <jvargas> thanks patdk-wk, just noticed
[17:40] <tasslehoff> do security updates get automatically installed? I seem to have openssl 1.0.1-4ubuntu5.12 already
[17:41] <patdk-wk> if you setup automatic install yes
[17:41] <patdk-wk> but installing security updates, doesn't restart your programs, to make use of the update
[17:42] <tasslehoff> patdk-wk: I know. rebooting in progress :)
[17:44] <sarnold> tasslehoff: see if you have the unattended-upgrades package installed
[17:45] <tasslehoff> sarnold: I do. It does nothing when run.
[17:45] <sarnold> tasslehoff: that's probably because it ran a cronjob when you weren't looking :)
[17:46] <tasslehoff> sarnold: I see security is uncommented in 50unattended-upgrades
[17:46] <tasslehoff> all is well then. just need to decide if I should generate new keys
[18:02] <xibalba> any of oyu guys using MaaS?
[18:28] <RoyK> !ask | xibalba
[18:28] <xibalba> !patience
[18:28] <xibalba> !uselessresponses
[18:28]  * xibalba did not ask to ask
[18:32] <RoyK> xibalba: well, this is just a place with a lot of people sharing the same operating system. we have no obligation to help, but we can. that !ask thing is just about that - just ask if you have a problem, and please describe in detail. someone might just know
[18:32] <xibalba> i just wanted someones opinions/experiences on trying out the MaaS stuff
[18:32] <xibalba> i like the concept
[18:32] <xibalba> haven't tried it out yet. might try it out w/some virtual machines
[18:36] <sarnold> to the extent I've tested maas while doing security updates for it I thought it looked neat
[18:40] <No_one_a1_all> Hi, incredibly stupid question, here. Will using `sudo reboot now` (note the "now") cause a system to hang on reboot?
[18:41] <No_one_a1_all> Because, as I understand, /sbin/reboot does not accept cli arguments
[18:41] <No_one_a1_all> (unlike shutdown)
[18:42] <patdk-wk> No_one_a1_all, yes, it will
[18:43] <No_one_a1_all> patdk-wk goddammit WHY
[18:43] <pmatulis> i just tried on precise, came up fine
[18:43] <No_one_a1_all> patdk-wk: `shutdown -r now` is, like, second nature. Why why why why. I lost 1:40 of downtime to my own ignorance. This is so not fair.
[18:44] <No_one_a1_all> what about... 13.10?
[18:44] <patdk-wk> shutdown != reboot
[18:44] <pmatulis> No_one_a1_all: dunno, try it
[18:44] <No_one_a1_all> I already did, and had a system hang.
[18:45] <No_one_a1_all> this is so bogus. Second time I've fallen into this trap.
[18:45] <pmatulis> No_one_a1_all: file a bug, i'm surprised the command was processed tbh
[18:46] <No_one_a1_all> Apparently a bug report has already been filed, and a fix implemented. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/1174272
[18:46] <patdk-wk> oh, it was fixed
[18:47] <No_one_a1_all> Except it wasn't, apparently
[18:48] <No_one_a1_all> yeah, Ubuntu 13.10 is what we're running, and just "boom". Server disappeared until we hard-rebooted it.
[18:48] <No_one_a1_all> *sigh*
[18:49] <pmatulis> regression maybe.  test other releases.  except precise, as i just tested it
[18:50] <No_one_a1_all> I don't have any other releases to test. Oh, well.
[18:50] <lstefani> hello.
[18:50] <lstefani> how I can allow port 80 on iptables?
[18:50] <lstefani> iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT  --
[18:53] <pmatulis> yes, trusty is borked too
[18:54] <No_one_a1_all> well that's just excellent.
[18:57] <pmatulis> No_one_a1_all: you should have commented on the bug about Saucy.  get with the program
[18:58] <No_one_a1_all> pfah
[18:58] <No_one_a1_all> I'm not a sysadmin. I know approximately as much about sysadminning and creating bug reports as a monkey knows about ice-skating
[18:59] <pmatulis> No_one_a1_all: can be as simple as "This affects Saucy" - provide a screenshot for bonus points
[18:59] <pmatulis> No_one_a1_all: like i did for 14.04
[19:00] <No_one_a1_all> link
[19:00] <sync0pate> anyone know of a good tutorial to learn iptables?
[19:00] <pmatulis> No_one_a1_all: the one you gave us
[19:00] <No_one_a1_all> Oh, that one...wasn't closed or "resolved" or anything? I have no idea how these bug trackers work
[19:21] <No_one_a1_all> pmatulis: sorry to bug you again, but under "also affects distribution/package", what would I enter to indicate 13.10?
[19:22] <No_one_a1_all> wait, nevermind.
[19:25] <zul> coreycb: i got ceilometer rc2
[19:28] <coreycb> zul, ok anything else you want me to take?
[19:29] <zul> not yet :)
[19:42] <zul> jamespage: https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/ceilometer/2014.1.rc2/+merge/214829
[19:43] <jamespage> zul, aside from my fullstop in the middle of a sentence niggle +1
[19:54] <tgm4883> Regarding the heartbleed bug, I just want to confirm that all openssl < 5.12 is affected. The writeup only states it's 5.11
[20:02] <batok> Is 14.04 going to be a supported version?
[20:04] <Patrickdk> tgm4883, only if it starts with 1.0.1
[20:05] <Patrickdk> batok, supported version of what?
[20:05] <batok> I mean like 13.10 where there are still packages available and not 13.04
[20:06] <Patrickdk> batok, oviously, you don't know what supported means
[20:06] <Patrickdk> 13.04 was supported
[20:06] <Patrickdk> the same support for 13.10 also
[20:06] <Patrickdk> exactly how was 13.04 not supported?
[20:07] <mgw> batok: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
[20:07] <batok> theres is no patch to fix de openssl bug in 13.04
[20:07] <Patrickdk> batok, 13.04 was released on april 2013, it was said, long before it's release, it would only be SUPPORTED for 9 months
[20:07] <Patrickdk> 4+9=13, so in jan it was unsupported
[20:07] <Patrickdk> guess what will happen to 13.10 after 9months
[20:08] <batok> I didn’t know that Patrickdk tks
[20:08] <Patrickdk> batok, release notes are required reading
[20:09] <tgm4883> Patrickdk, ok, that is what I thought. And my understanding is they get full access to the private key of the server allowing an attacker to setup a server pretending to be us. Is that correct?
[20:09] <zul> jamespage:  ack..ill get libvivrt ubuntu11 in the cloud archive as well in a couple of secs
[20:09] <Patrickdk> tgm4883, no
[20:10] <tgm4883> I'm just trying to gauge how much fixing my team needs to do here
[20:10] <Patrickdk> they get access to 64k of ram
[20:10] <jamespage> zul, +1
[20:10] <Patrickdk> that 64k of ram could be ANYTHING
[20:10] <Patrickdk> could be the ssl private key
[20:10] <Patrickdk> could be your root password
[20:10] <Patrickdk> could be anything
[20:11] <tgm4883> hmm
[20:11] <Patrickdk> now, it would be inlikely your root password would be in the ram area accessable by that app
[20:11] <Patrickdk> but possible
[20:11] <mgw> is there any sign that this bug has been exploited?
[20:11] <tgm4883> Patrickdk, I guess I'm just confused by the writeup on the website then, specifically "Without using any privileged information or credentials we were able steal from ourselves the secret keys used for our X.509 certificates, user names and passwords, instant messages, emails and business critical documents and communication."
[20:12] <Patrickdk> tgm4883, yes
[20:12] <tgm4883> Was it just random they got the secret keys, or am I thinking of something different than what they mean by secret keys
[20:12] <Patrickdk> without doing anything other than making a tcp connection
[20:12] <Patrickdk> they could steal ANYTHING in ram
[20:13] <tgm4883> so it was just random that they got the keys... That's still pretty bad and makes me want to rekey everything
[20:13] <Patrickdk> tgm4883, that is why it says, to rekey everything
[20:16] <tgm4883> mgw, the exploit leaves no signs on the server. You wouldn't be able to tell
[20:17] <tgm4883> Patrickdk, thanks for the info, I'll get my team on replacing al of that
[20:17] <Patrickdk> ya, lots of fun :)
[20:28] <Gargoyle> Hi.
[20:29] <Gargoyle> Is there an official "ubuntu/debian way" to regenerate ssh keys? With dpkg-reconfigure or something?
[20:29] <Patrickdk> Gargoyle, sure, but why do you need to?
[20:29] <Gargoyle> Patrickdk: Hearbleed
[20:29] <Gargoyle> Heartbleed*
[20:29] <Patrickdk> what does hearbleed have to do with ssh?
[20:30] <Gargoyle> The keys are generated by openssl
[20:30] <Patrickdk> Gargoyle, so?
[20:30] <Patrickdk> generated by != compromised
[20:30] <Patrickdk> did you serve up those keys via your website?
[20:30] <Gargoyle> So are SSH keys safe? do we only need to regenerate SSL certificate keys?
[20:30] <Patrickdk> did you email them?
[20:30] <Patrickdk> yes
[20:31] <Gargoyle> Ok. Thanks.
[20:35] <Gargoyle> If you have a public key out in the wild - like on github - would that be a risk?
[21:38] <a|3x> hi
[21:39] <a|3x> is there going to be openssl security patch for the heartbleed bug for raring?
[21:40] <sarnold> a|3x: no, raring has not been supported since january.
[21:40] <sarnold> a|3x: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[21:41] <a|3x> lets see, i guess i would need to upgrade
[21:41] <sarnold> please do :)
[22:46] <mgw> anybody using lxc with lvm backing and snapshots? I'm having an issue creating a clone with a different size fs than the original
[23:06] <hallyn> mgw: oh, hey.  didn't see it here :)  lemme know what you end up doing, am interested what others are using


[00:10] <phillw> n-iCe: sorted?
[00:10] <n-iCe> phillw there? the installation did not work
[00:10] <n-iCe> fatal error installing grub
[00:11] <phillw> ouch :(
[00:11] <n-iCe> try again? whats lilo
[00:11] <phillw> have you md5'd the usb stick to ensure the dd went over okay?
[00:12] <n-iCe> i have no os anymore
[00:12] <phillw> do you have a linux system you can plug the usb into?
[00:12] <n-iCe> no, nothing
[00:12] <n-iCe> just my lap
[00:13] <n-iCe> installing the base system again...
[00:13] <n-iCe> do you have whatsapp?
[00:13] <phillw> nope
[00:13] <n-iCe> im on my phone
[00:15] <n-iCe> :/
[00:16] <phillw> I'm stumped. with no working system, I have no way to help you check the usb device nor get a fresh image. :'(
[03:47] <FrankieJ> i have several bookmarks in midori and was wondering if i am able to retrieve it via cli/ssh?
[03:47] <holstein> FrankieJ: you can always just grab the .config file
[03:48] <FrankieJ> lemme try that
[03:49] <FrankieJ> hmmm, how i find out where midori is installed?
[03:50] <holstein> FrankieJ: i usually use google, or just poke around in my /home directory for the .config
[03:57] <Unit193> dpkg -L midori   will show you all installed files for that package.
[04:04] <FrankieJ> thx Unit193
[04:21] <Str8bs> Greetings
[08:05] <hammommah> quick question, if i have a partition setup for my /home can i share it between 2 different versions of lubuntu, ie 12.04 and 13.04 both using the same /home partition? or will this create issues?
[11:52] <Nagash> how can i update Lubuntu 12 to 13?
[12:09] <Myrtti> which 12?
[12:09] <Myrtti> there was two releases in 2012
[12:09] <Myrtti> the April (20)12.04 release and the October (20)12.10 release
[12:58] <Nagash> hi there, i'm using Lubuntu 12.10 ... how can i update it to 13.04 ?
[14:44] <daffi_> Hi, bekomme in der aktuellen Version (13.04) immer den folgenden Fehler auf der Konsole:  ** (scite:16689): WARNING **: Invalid borders specified for theme pixmap: /usr/share/themes/Lubuntu-default/gtk-2.0/images/null.png,
[14:44] <daffi_> borders don't fit within the image
[14:45] <daffi_> macht es Sinn das irgendwo zu melden?
[17:30] <hpuser4466> I installed lubuntu on an external hard drive (connected by usb).  I want to clone lubuntu from external to internal drive so I cloned the MBR and recursively copied the filesystem across.  Not booting.
[17:32] <genii-around> First guess would be different UUIDs
[17:33] <hpuser4466> ah..in the grub bootloader setup?
[17:33] <genii-around> hpuser4466: Yes, grub uses the uuid.
[17:33] <genii-around> hpuser4466: If you didn't use dd then internal hd has different UUID
[17:34] <hpuser4466> How can i update grub from outside the operating system?
[17:34] <hpuser4466> ie I can boot using the external drive to fix the internal installation.
[17:36] <hpuser4466> preferably to remove the UUID and use hd0 etc
[17:36] <genii-around> Probably to mount internal drive someplace like /mnt   and loopmount the other stuff like external hd /proc /dev/ and /sys into there, then chroot /mnt    and do whatever operations you need there
[17:39] <hpuser4466> Thanks..i just thought of another idea:  Use grub legacy as it's easy to edit the grub menu.list file.
[17:40] <hpuser4466> i'm not too familir with grub2...Grub legacy should boot it though.
[17:40] <genii-around> Default grub is now grub2, with the /etc/default/grub file then the update-grub   .. Alternately, you could just use tune2fs to change internal hd UUID
[17:42] <hpuser4466> Thanks.
[17:53] <genii-around> Too bad they left before I could tell them to also check the fstab UUIDs
[18:56] <leszek> hi
[19:10] <pmatulis> hello
[19:20] <SangeetKhatri|Yo> hey i cannot get any mp3 players other than audacious to work in lubuntu 13.04
[19:20] <leszek> SangeetKhatri|Yo: which did you try ?
[19:20] <SangeetKhatri|Yo> Banshee, Rhythmbox
[19:20] <SangeetKhatri|Yo> Xnoise
[19:21] <SangeetKhatri|Yo> lxmusic
[19:21] <leszek> Banshee and Rhythmbox need gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg to playback mp3 or the fluendo mp3 gstreamer codec
[19:21] <leszek> lxmusic needs xmms2
[19:21] <leszek> when it comes to Xnoise I am not sure which backend it uses
[19:21] <SangeetKhatri|Yo> anyways how to get those packages for banshee cuz it is my favorite
[19:22] <leszek> search for the package name in synaptic and mark it for installation
[19:22] <SangeetKhatri> OK will do
[19:22] <leszek> gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad
[19:22] <leszek> this should normally do it
[19:22] <JanC_test> gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly
[19:22] <leszek> JanC_test: not necessary for mp3 though
[19:23] <JanC_test> that's where patent-encumbered codecs are, and it includes LAME & MAD
[19:23] <JanC_test> LAME = encoder, MAD = decoder
[19:23] <SangeetKhatri> well.. just for information i have already installed ubuntu extras package
[19:24] <leszek> JanC_test: gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg should take care of this though. But there are tons of other mp3 playback libraries :P
[19:24] <leszek> SangeetKhatri: this should then include those packages
[19:25] <JanC_test> yes, I assume -ffmpeg should work too
[19:25] <SangeetKhatri> so i guess i already did installed those, then why does probleem exists???
[19:26] <JanC_test> as should the fluendo MP3 codec, of course
[19:27] <SangeetKhatri> well.. -ffmpeg is not working in the terminal
[19:27] <JanC_test> SangeetKhatri, I referred to the gstreamer package that includes the ffmpeg codecs
[19:27] <JanC_test> SangeetKhatri, do you get an error in banshee?
[19:29] <SangeetKhatri> it just starts playing next then again next and continues and then stops doing next
[19:29] <SangeetKhatri> but in the process nothing is played
[19:29] <SangeetKhatri> and i do not hear anything
[19:31] <SangeetKhatri> and still not working!! :( I installed them all
[19:31] <JanC_test> restart banshee after installing all gstreamer codecs?
[19:32] <leszek> SangeetKhatri: start banshee from the terminal and try posting the error messages that you will get there when trying to play an mp3
[19:33] <gerard> nick GelH
[19:34] <SangeetKhatri> here is the paste http://pastebin.com/RfTh6Esm
[19:52] <JanC_test> SangeetKhatri, seems like Banshee tries to use JACK but it's not started
[19:59] <SangeetKhatri> how can that be solved??
[21:00] <as2000> any suggestions for a FLV editor?
[21:09] <|kira> Anyone know how well lubuntu works with really modern qt and gtk apps?
[21:10] <Unit193> Why wouldn't it?  VLC seemed to work well last time it was used, it's just a toolkit.