[12:28] <test3r> if Only the Higher Being could come and fix all antiquated architechture of sub-par nature For Us.
[12:28] <test3r> that's what i really meant to say I think.
[12:28] <test3r> ;D
[12:29] <test3r> that goes in the quote book i think.
[12:35] <test3r> um this DELL has a usb keyboard - will tux b able to do that??
[12:36] <Jester45> it should
[12:36] <Jester45> im using one right now
[12:36] <test3r> aite awesome
[12:37] <maxamillion> i'm at work and i even have a microsoft keyboard (that windows ironically needs drivers to be able to use) and linux interfaces with it flawlessly
[12:37] <maxamillion> microsoft usb keyboard*
[12:38] <BFTD> ?
[12:38] <BFTD> yeah
[12:38] <BFTD> I used a wireless MS one
[12:39] <Merchelo> i tried mapping the windows key as a shortcut, but alas it didn't work :(
[12:40] <test3r> yeah u can get that winbows key to work as the menu launcher in here someHows
[12:40] <test3r>  i like it off as i play things like Doom
[12:41] <test3r> nice 704desk is booting on that intel910
[12:41] <test3r> we might have to get some RAM for this bx afterall
[12:42] <test3r> the heatsink inside it is the biggest ive ever seen ever
[12:43] <test3r> there are no fans. planety of vents but no fan that i can tell. runs very very quiet
[12:43] <test3r> will make a Gr8 server
[12:44] <test3r> oh shnap- del util and del restore are on here
[12:44] <test3r> do i hav a burner prob on livecd?
[12:44] <test3r> out to hookup dvdburner i think
[01:02] <test3r> n/m prob best to do that all from Nero
[01:07] <cellofellow> is the Feisty Server installer normally very slow?
[01:07] <maxamillion> cellofellow: dunno, haven't tried it
[01:07] <maxamillion> cellofellow: i wouldn't assume it to be any slower than a desktop install
[01:07] <cellofellow> I expect an Ubuntu installation to take like 1/2 an hour, maybe a bit more in a VM, but this has been running for hours.
[01:08] <cellofellow> Is the Alt CD just slow?
[01:09] <maxamillion> cellofellow: only time i ever used alt cd was on a really old machine with 64mb of ram, and it took about 2 hours
[01:09] <cellofellow> I know the alt cd uses apt to unpack and install stuff instead of just uncompressing a single image. Is that why it's slow?
[01:10] <maxamillion> cellofellow: well, i would imagine that to create some overhead, yes
[01:10] <maxamillion> cellofellow: unpacking and installing will always take longer than just copying data
[01:10] <maxamillion> cellofellow: i thought the installer used dpkg?
[01:10] <cellofellow> I guess so.
[01:10] <cellofellow> apt, dpkg, whatever
[01:10] <maxamillion> lol
[01:11] <cellofellow> I think Debian uses apt. That's why the netinstall thing works.
[01:11] <maxamillion> ahhhh, yes .. that would make more sense
[01:12] <cellofellow> This thing has been "Unpacking base system" for about an hour.
[01:13] <cellofellow> I know it's not frozen. It's chugging away.
[01:13] <maxamillion> cellofellow: yeah, that's probably about right if its on a virtual system ... what virtual system you using?
[01:13] <cellofellow> vBox
[01:14] <maxamillion> cellofellow: what are the specs of the machine running it?
[01:14] <cellofellow> 450Mhz PIII, 319 MB RAM, 128MB Virtual RAM.
[01:15] <cellofellow> Windows 2000 runs just fine.
[01:15] <cellofellow> in VBox.
[01:15] <maxamillion> cellofellow: how long did it take to install win2k on the vBox?
[01:16] <cellofellow> two, maybe three hours. Debian Etch Netinstall didn't take this long either.
[01:16] <cellofellow> maybe an hour
[01:16] <maxamillion> well i know ubuntu installer is slower than debian's because ubuntu's base system has more stuff to it than debian's
[01:19] <DaBeowulf> 'lo. o/
[01:21] <DaBeowulf> I'm kind of puzzled. I installed the OS now and booted it from the disk and now I can no longer enable the NVidia drivers through the 'Restricted drivers' menu.
[01:21] <cellofellow> !nvidia
[01:21] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:22] <DaBeowulf> It's listed but when I try to enable it I get prompted for my pass again, now and then, and can click on enable on the Note! dialog thing but it does not appear to do a thing then.
[01:22] <DaBeowulf> Thanks checking that now.
[01:22] <aliasrush_> !ati
[01:22] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:26] <DaBeowulf> O_o I don't meet the listed "prerequisites", but I could enable it via the aforementioned option when I booted from the Desktop CD.
[01:27] <cellofellow> I do it the oldschool way: install nvidia-glx and edit xorg.conf
[01:28] <vidd> *wave* cellofellow
[01:28] <cellofellow> *big *wave* vidd
[01:28] <cellofellow> whoops
[01:29] <vidd> been a while
[01:29] <cellofellow> a bit of a while, yeah
[01:30] <cellofellow> hey hey, the vBox ubuntu installer has moved on.
[01:30] <maxamillion> cellofellow: w00t
[01:30] <maxamillion> i wish they would release vBox for amd64
[01:30] <vidd> what is vbox?
[01:31] <cellofellow> virtualbox. It's a free virtualizer
[01:31] <maxamillion> ... beat me to it
[01:31] <cellofellow> maxamillion: just use QEMU or VMware I guess.
[01:31] <maxamillion> cellofellow: yeah, i use qemy
[01:32] <maxamillion> qemu*
[01:32] <maxamillion> cellofellow: but its slower
[01:32] <maxamillion> and i refuse to touch vmware ... too many horror stories
[01:32] <maxamillion> brb
[01:32] <cellofellow> Way slower. It's not even considered a virtual machine, it's an emulator.
[01:33] <cellofellow> VirtualBox is quick, almost as fast as kQEMU, and really easy to use.
[01:34] <cellofellow> Easy to install too. Just a simple installation of a single deb package.
[01:35] <cellofellow> kQEMU is not easy to install at all.
[01:41] <maxamillion> cellofellow: isn't it in the repos now?
[01:41] <cellofellow> don't think so. If it is, it's in multiverse. Or you may have a choice between the PUEL binary and an Ubuntu-built GPL version.
[01:42] <cellofellow> not in my repos
[01:43] <Catoptromancy> I feel cleaner
[01:43] <Catoptromancy> got rid of all KDE apps and libs
[01:43] <cellofellow> :-)
[01:43] <cellofellow> And here I am trying to find out how to make all of my friggin Qt apps look better by themeing Qt. Whoopy.
[01:44] <maxamillion> cellofellow: they will look better once you port them to GTK or find a GTK alternative ;)
[01:45] <test3r> wow,Dells tech support is like nonexistant when it comes to their backup partition
[01:45] <cellofellow> All I use is: Scribus, VirtualBox, and sometimes Opera.
[01:45] <test3r> i setup nero inwinblows all ready to bak up this partition, and i find out,its ghosted from windows
[01:45] <cellofellow> But they still look like junk.
[01:47] <maxamillion> cellofellow: virtualBox is written in qt?
[01:47] <cellofellow> the Desktop frontend is Qt.
[01:47] <cellofellow> but it's mostly SDL.
[01:48] <maxamillion> cellofellow: huh ... interesting, and i swore opera was independent of both gtk and qt
[01:48] <Catoptromancy> is there a gtk torrenter?
[01:48] <cellofellow> Nope. Opera uses statically linked Qt in windows and optionally for *nix, but it's still Qt.
[01:48] <Catoptromancy> I used to have ktorrent
[01:49] <cellofellow> deluge I like. It's like ktorrent only in PyGTK.
[01:49] <cellofellow> !deluge-torrent
[01:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about deluge-torrent - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:49] <cellofellow> !info deluge-torrent
[01:49] <ubotu> Package deluge-torrent does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[01:49] <cellofellow> bah
[01:49] <maxamillion> Catoptromancy: deluge ... its not in the repos, but there is a .deb for ubuntu on their download page
[01:49] <Catoptromancy> cool
[01:49] <cellofellow> I thought it was in backports
[01:49] <maxamillion> Catoptromancy: http://deluge-torrent.org/
[01:49] <cellofellow> josh@lordpenguin:~$ apt-cache search deluge
[01:49] <cellofellow> deluge-torrent - A Bittorrent client written in Python/PyGTK
[01:49] <maxamillion> cellofellow: not to my knowledge ....
[01:50] <maxamillion> cellofellow: oh, huh
[01:50] <maxamillion> i dunno
[01:50] <maxamillion> nvm, don't listen to me
[01:50] <maxamillion> it wasn't there when feisty released
[01:51] <Catoptromancy> cool i got the svn
[01:51] <maxamillion> oh, huh ... i don't have backports enabled in my sources.list
[01:52] <maxamillion> guess that's why i can't see it
[01:52] <cellofellow> ah, it's not in the repos. It's a hangover from when I found it in Edgy Backports. Wonder why it's not in Feisty.
[01:52] <maxamillion> cellofellow: no clue
[01:52] <maxamillion> Catoptromancy: they have a svn snapshot in a .deb package?
[01:52] <Catoptromancy> dunno
[01:53] <Catoptromancy> I just got svn
[01:53] <maxamillion> oh, ok ... you just compiling from source?
[01:53] <Catoptromancy> ill see how its work pretty soon
[01:53] <Catoptromancy> ya
[01:53] <maxamillion> cool cool
[01:53] <maxamillion> i don't like compiling unless i have to
[01:53] <cellofellow> "compile"?  stuff is a little dated. There must have been something wrong with it that got it pulled.
[01:57] <maxamillion> cellofellow: yeah, that would make sense
[01:57] <maxamillion> i would think a MOTU would get it back in there though
[01:58] <DaBeowulf> I still don't get why it worked when I booted from the CD and refuses when I try the same from the disk install.
[01:58] <maxamillion> DaBeowulf: why what worked?
[01:58] <cellofellow> his nvidia
[01:58] <maxamillion> ah
[01:59] <maxamillion> oh, i'm off work! :)
[01:59] <maxamillion> laters all
[01:59] <maxamillion> i'll bbl
[02:01] <DaBeowulf> Could it be I'm not priviledged enough with my current login and it fails to tell me? Although I'm the first user to log in and the one I entered the info of during the install?
[02:01] <DaBeowulf> I was able to set the time to what's it actually here atm, though.
[02:01] <cellofellow> what does `lspci | grep vga` in a terminal say?
[02:02] <DaBeowulf> nada! =o
[02:02] <cellofellow> just lspci then
[02:02] <cellofellow> or grep VGA
[02:02] <Catoptromancy> ack
[02:02] <Catoptromancy> maybe ill get .tar
[02:02] <Catoptromancy> svns always like to error
[02:03] <cellofellow> DaBeowulf: ?
[02:04] <DaBeowulf> VGA comp controller: NV greedy evil Corp :P NV34 GF FX5200 rev al
[02:04] <cellofellow> huh
[02:04] <cellofellow> lsmod | grep nv
[02:04] <cellofellow> or NV, dunno which
[02:04] <cellofellow> lsmod grep 'nv|NV'
[02:06] <DaBeowulf> Nothing.
[02:07] <cellofellow> make that lsmod | egrep 'nv|NV'
[02:07] <cellofellow> sorry, I'm still learning these regex's.
[02:07] <DaBeowulf> I'm trying updating important stuff with System -> Update Manager first atm
[02:07] <cellofellow> ok
[02:07] <DaBeowulf> haha tell me :P
[02:07] <crimsun> use egrep -i '^nv'
[02:08] <cellofellow> (we need to get down dirty and avoid GUI for this stuff. Sorry but it just isn't working.)
[02:08] <crimsun> case-insensitive, "nv" at the beginning of the string
[02:08] <cellofellow> and crimsun the guru comes to save the day. Yay!
[02:08] <Catoptromancy> deluge looks pretty cool
[02:08] <crimsun> not a guru, just a jelly belly ingester.
[02:09] <cellofellow> josh@lordpenguin:~$ lsmod | egrep -i '^nv'
[02:09] <cellofellow> nvidia               3930348  12
[02:09] <cellofellow> lol
[02:10] <cellofellow> DaBeowulf: when update manager is done doing its thing, then we get down and dirty
[02:13] <DaBeowulf> invalid option -- ^
[02:13] <cellofellow> even with the -i and quotes?
[02:13] <DaBeowulf> I don't get that egrep thing you want me to do down it seems.
[02:14] <DaBeowulf> Yes
[02:14] <cellofellow> all this does is see if nvidia is installed and running or not
[02:14] <DaBeowulf> "" Quotes or '' ones?
[02:14] <cellofellow> single ones
[02:14] <cellofellow> just copy/paste from here
[02:14] <DaBeowulf> Yeah tried them.
[02:14] <BFTD> somethings wrong
[02:14] <cellofellow> lsmod | egrep -i '^nv'
[02:14] <cellofellow> worked here
[02:14] <BFTD> compiling wine shouldn't take 2 hours
[02:14] <cellofellow> I would expect it to
[02:15] <DaBeowulf> hmm Nothing now. :S
[02:15] <cellofellow> that
[02:15] <cellofellow> s a "no nvidia"
[02:15] <cellofellow> ok
[02:15] <cellofellow> you can only have one dpkg-based program running at a time. For now, Update Manager takes that cake.
[02:15] <BFTD> it takes 2 mins on my other system
[02:15] <cellofellow> :/
[02:16] <BFTD> but sure that system is 3 times more powerful, this one shouldn't take more then 20 mins
[02:16] <DaBeowulf> It's finished by now.
[02:17] <DaBeowulf> Is Firefox one such as well?
[02:17] <crimsun> yes, FF is beast to compile.
[02:17] <DaBeowulf> Hmm on 2nd thought can't be
[02:18] <DaBeowulf> dpkg based since I had that open and running with the Up Man at the same time
[02:18] <cellofellow> open up the GUI app Software Sources from Settings (I know I said no GUI, but this one works ok)
[02:18] <cellofellow> DaBeowulf: yup
[02:18] <cellofellow> dpkg stuff is apt-get, synaptic, aptitude, gdebi, update-manager. that about covers it.
[02:18] <cellofellow> dpkg itself
[02:19] <DaBeowulf> Hmm can't find that there.
[02:19] <cellofellow> Apps -> System -> Software Sources isn't there?
[02:19] <CokeMan> is there any way to make the mouse not have a threshold and stuff? i just want it to move one speed the same speed all the time. im using xfce.
[02:20] <DaBeowulf> Ah lokked under Settings
[02:20] <cellofellow> CokeMan: try the Mouse Settings in Settings
[02:20] <cellofellow> DaBeowulf: no, it's definetly system. Unless you're not using Feisty. It might be somewhere else in an older version.
[02:20] <DaBeowulf> Hmm 3rd party softs?
[02:21] <cellofellow> is all the Ubuntu Software stuff checked off?
[02:21] <DaBeowulf> Got it, you said Settings before and I overlooked it in System
[02:21] <CokeMan> cellofellow: yeah, but all those settings seem to make my mouse move at variable rates, unless im making it all up in my head./
[02:21] <cellofellow> main, universe, multiverse, restricted?
[02:21] <cellofellow> CokeMan: something in xorg.conf will fix that up, I just don't know what.
[02:22] <DaBeowulf> soft restricted by multi yes
[02:22] <DaBeowulf> and legal copyright/issues
[02:22] <CokeMan> cellofellow, lol, im a linux noob, thats not gonna help. :P
[02:22] <cellofellow> check all the boxes under the Ubuntu Software tab (except Source Code unless you really want it.)
[02:22] <DaBeowulf> Ok that they were, then.
[02:23] <cellofellow> CokeMan: Sorry, but you'll have to edit the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf I think to mess with the mouse settings.
[02:23] <cellofellow> DaBeowulf: apply by closing the app.
[02:23] <CokeMan> cellofellow, ok, i'll browse around
[02:23] <DaBeowulf> done
[02:24] <DaBeowulf> Here comes the Terminal
[02:24] <cellofellow> open a terminal and type `sudo aptitude`
[02:24] <DaBeowulf> =0 stuff
[02:25] <cellofellow> type /nvidia in there to search for the drivers
[02:25] <cellofellow> no, wait, let's do it the easy way. close aptitude
[02:25] <cellofellow> just hit q
[02:25] <DaBeowulf> nv kernel common
[02:25] <DaBeowulf> ok
[02:26] <DaBeowulf> Are we following something here: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Latest_nvidia_feisty ?
[02:26] <cellofellow> run sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[02:26] <cellofellow> I've done this a dozen times
[02:26] <cellofellow> those are back-ticks around uname
[02:27] <DaBeowulf> So the command starts with 'run'?
[02:27] <cellofellow> no
[02:27] <cellofellow> sorry
[02:27] <DaBeowulf> nm
[02:27] <DaBeowulf> sudo then?
[02:27] <cellofellow> yes
[02:27] <cellofellow> sudo means "do as superuser" and makes you a pseudo-root.
[02:28] <cellofellow> so, you can pronounce it sue-dough or sue-do
[02:28] <cellofellow> is it doing it?
[02:28] <DaBeowulf> Yes, thanks.
[02:29] <DaBeowulf> Anyone in here wasting his/her time with Unreal Tournament in here?
[02:29] <DaBeowulf> Ah nm.
[02:30] <cellofellow> nope. Seeing as I have a PIII and a Legacy NVIDIA card (don't worry they install the same as normal nvidias) I can't.
[02:30] <DaBeowulf> Well, I meant the original one from '99 so you should be able to. :)
[02:31] <cellofellow> Honestly, I don't like shooter games too much.
[02:31] <DaBeowulf> I did that on pretty much the same hardware (TNT2 32MB)
[02:31] <cellofellow> that's what I have here.
[02:31] <DaBeowulf> A fine card IMO.
[02:32] <cellofellow> I have two here at home. Too bad I can't have em both in the same box. (My boxes only have one AGP port apiece.)
[02:32] <DaBeowulf> It finished, now Ctrl-Alt-Backspoace?
[02:32] <cellofellow> not yet
[02:32] <cellofellow> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:33] <cellofellow> that will configure X. Most important part is selecting the nvidia driver when it asks.
[02:34] <DaBeowulf> there's nv and nvidia
[02:34] <cellofellow> nv is the open source not-very-good nvidia driver that comes with. nvidia is what you just installed.
[02:35] <cellofellow> you are using nv right now.
[02:35] <TheSheep> cellofellow: it's very good, much better than the proprietary nvidia one, just doesn't support acceleration
[02:35] <DaBeowulf> I see.
[02:35] <cellofellow> 'pends on what you call 'good' I guess.
[02:35] <cellofellow> what's the new free nvidia driver called?
[02:35] <cellofellow> again
[02:36] <cellofellow> the one that GNU is still developing.
[02:36] <cellofellow> and Canonical is helping I believe.
[02:36] <crimsun> noveau.
[02:36] <cellofellow> that's it
[02:36] <TheSheep> cellofellow: good = no memory leaks, no known bugs, fast, small
[02:36] <cellofellow> I'd love to see that actually work.
[02:37] <cellofellow> I suppose.
[02:37] <BFTD> os[Linux 2.6.20-16-generic i686]  distro[Debian 4.0]  cpu[1 x Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz @ 1.99GHz]  mem[Physical : 495MB, 53.2% free]  disk[Total : 17.53GB, 53.30% Free]  video[Intel Corporation ]  sound[]
[02:37] <cellofellow> didn't know nvidia had all of that though.
[02:38] <TheSheep> cellofellow: and more :)
[02:38] <TheSheep> cellofellow: google for it if you're interested
[02:38] <TheSheep> cellofellow: nvidia driver is bloatware
[02:38] <cellofellow> but I like 3D stuff. :(
[02:38] <cellofellow> at least it's better than ATI.
[02:38] <BFTD> how do i figure out the socket type of my CPU?
[02:39] <TheSheep> cellofellow: write them an engry letter demanding they release the documentation, you will have a free driver in 3 days
[02:39] <TheSheep> s/engry/angry
[02:39] <cellofellow> I think the first part of that has been tried a thousand times.
[02:39] <TheSheep> cellofellow: you'd be surprised
[02:40] <DaBeowulf> Got the mainboard's manual BFTD?
[02:40] <BFTD> DaBeowulf no
[02:40] <cellofellow> Got the MoBo's make and model number and google?
[02:41] <DaBeowulf> Celeron 2GHz maybe that narrows it down to one already?
[02:41] <DaBeowulf> cellofellow what do you advise kernel framebuffer Y/N?
[02:42] <cellofellow> I say try Y and if things sort of fizzle cause of it, switch to N.
[02:42] <cellofellow> I don't notice any real difference.
[02:42] <cellofellow> 'specially cause my X resolution does't match my fb resolution.
[02:43] <DaBeowulf> So to later switch it I'd just run reconf xorg again?
[02:43] <cellofellow> yes
[02:48] <cellofellow> DaBeowulf: how's it coming?
[02:49] <DaBeowulf> keyboard model
[02:49] <CokeMan> is there any way to make the mouse not have a threshold and stuff? i just want it to move one speed the same speed all the time. im using xfce.
[02:49] <DaBeowulf> kb 121 it reads on the back but that's not listed in the help text
[02:50] <DaBeowulf> Settings Mouse Behaviour?
[02:50] <CokeMan> i guess
[02:51] <DaBeowulf> ah so slider far left does still have some?
[02:51] <cellofellow> DaBeowulf: it should just need to know what layout the keys are.
[02:53] <DaBeowulf> >_< I assumed ESC was 1 step back just made an ass out of me and me :P
[02:54] <cellofellow> just start over I guess.
[02:55] <DaBeowulf> Eek mouse stuff now, I just wanted to switch to the NVidia prop drivers and that was about it ^_^
[02:59] <cellofellow> ah, well
[02:59] <cellofellow> all you have to say is that it's a 2 or 3 button mouse usually.
[03:00] <cellofellow> gah! the kernel that comes with the Server edition of Ubuntu just sort of doesn't work with VBox.
[03:01] <DaBeowulf> Right I'm searching for the proper name of my Monitor now :P (oh it asked for the conn port, too)
[03:02] <cellofellow> jee
[03:11] <DaBeowulf> damn it didn't say it asked for horizontal 1st and then vertical; Ithought it was both in one go, that's what I get when getting cocky and try advanced :P
[03:11] <DaBeowulf> I think I'll have to do this again.. \o/
[03:13] <DaBeowulf> whee finished
[03:13] <DaBeowulf> Now Ctrl Alt Bckspc?
[03:14] <cellofellow> sure
[03:15] <DaBeowulf> thanks cu o/
[03:16] <Nikilos> Hi
[03:16] <Nikilos> I was wondering if anyone could help me with the installation of GIMPShop
[03:18] <cellofellow> !gimpshop
[03:18] <ubotu> gimpshop is a hack that makes The Gimp look and feel more like Photoshop.  A .deb for Ubuntu is available via http://plasticbugs.com/?page_id=294
[03:18] <cellofellow> I know what it is, but I don't know if it is in the repos
[03:18] <cellofellow> hey, look at that.
[03:19] <Nikilos> I downloaded the .deb and ran it
[03:19] <Nikilos> I ran GIMP, but it doesn't look any different
[03:19] <cellofellow> ran it?
[03:19] <cellofellow> I would think gimpshop is a separate app.
[03:19] <cellofellow> You mean you use GDebi-GTK to install it?
[03:19] <cellofellow> !gdebi-gtk
[03:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gdebi-gtk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:19] <test3r> hey - what happens if i run "Root Kit Revealer" on a multi-boot machine from winblows??? will it show the tux dist as a kit? or will a tru root show up at all????
[03:19] <cellofellow> !info gdebi-gtk
[03:19] <ubotu> Package gdebi-gtk does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[03:20] <cellofellow> test3r: probably won't look outside of the windows partition
[03:20] <cellofellow> !gdebi
[03:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gdebi - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:20] <cellofellow> bah
[03:21] <j1mc> !info gdebi-core
[03:21] <test3r> oh thats a good point u would have to point it to scan another partition or 'drive' as windows sees it and i dont think you can even do that
[03:21] <ubotu> gdebi-core: Simple tool to install deb files. In component main, is optional. Version 0.2.4ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 13 kB, installed size 476 kB
[03:21] <j1mc> !info gdebi
[03:21] <ubotu> gdebi: Simple tool to install deb files. In component main, is optional. Version 0.2.4ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 29 kB, installed size 220 kB
[03:21] <cellofellow> Nikilos: look in the menu for something called gimpshop instead of gimp.
[03:22] <Nikilos> There isn't a thing called Gimpshop in the menu
[03:22] <DaBeowulf> Now Wine. :D
[03:22] <cellofellow> Nikilos: let me look at this
[03:23] <test3r> 704's partitioning step in the install managed to pass its point with only One logical partition left in the disk scheme
[03:23] <test3r> it must have made the swap an extended of the main tx partititon
[03:23] <DaBeowulf> Haha that reconf xorg got me rid of my mousewheel..
[03:24] <cellofellow> that's default for debian and ubuntu. use only one primary part, one extended, and then the rest logical inside the extended.
[03:24] <test3r> ill be sure to thank DELL for making a partition that is 5MB on the main hdd
[03:24] <test3r> and another that is 2.5G
[03:24] <cellofellow> DaBeowulf: did you choose "3-button emulation"? or whatever
[03:24] <test3r> thats default?????! because it has Always made a seperate swap partition
[03:25] <test3r> on every box
[03:25] <test3r> ive ever setup with buntu. and im on box ~20 now
[03:25] <vidd> test3r, did you get a new dell pre-installed with ubuntu...or is this an older box?
[03:25] <cellofellow> oh, never mind
[03:25] <test3r> no it is a very older box with winxp already on it
[03:25] <DaBeowulf> No. Hmm wasn't the command sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver xorg
[03:25] <DaBeowulf> ?
[03:25] <test3r> im trying to leave it intact
[03:25] <test3r> for the challenge
[03:26] <cellofellow> yeah, DaBeowulf
[03:26] <DaBeowulf> xserver is not installed and no info is available..
[03:26] <test3r> well- not Very older- it has a 2.8Ghrz pent4 in it, but only 256 ram
[03:27] <cellofellow> xserver-xorg
[03:27] <test3r> biggest heatsink ive Ever Seen. its a fanless box.
[03:27] <DaBeowulf> Thanks. >_<
[03:27] <vidd> a fanless box?
[03:27] <cellofellow> sweet
[03:28] <j1mc> DaBeowulf: the command is sudo dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg  (your forgot the last hyphen)
[03:28] <test3r> the heat sink is big i could take it to a scrap yeard and get a , well, something fun with the return money
[03:28] <vidd> how they expect the processor to not melt?
[03:28] <test3r> theheat sink is the size of my head
[03:28] <test3r> =x
[03:29] <test3r> gota b a cool $20 in scrap in just the sink itself.
[03:31] <test3r> theres Gota b a fan somewheres in it- but its not on the bak. and its quieter than all &$*#, too
[03:31] <DaBeowulf> Yes, thanks j1mc
[03:31] <thirdy> Good Morning Everyone!
[03:32] <vidd> morning?
[03:32] <vidd> thirdy, where you @?
[03:32] <DaBeowulf> Good morning Vietnam!
[03:32] <test3r> oic it Now. it is on te front InSide of the case. and yes it is very quiet and quite big
[03:32] <DaBeowulf> CET
[03:32] <thirdy> vidd, xubuntu
[03:33] <thirdy> vidd, why?
[03:33] <vidd> cuzz you said "morning" thirdy
[03:34] <test3r> yeah i hear u there, vidd. i had a false warning from my mobo temp monitors te other day because it decided it needed the chasis fan monitor active even tho ive never had a chasis fan ad of course there was no current to it so it freeks out and i freek outthen realise it was over nothing
[03:34] <vidd> it just got dark here....
[03:37] <DaBeowulf> haha duh it says horizontal and vertical >_<
[03:38] <test3r> nice. Dell Dimension 3100. up and running 7.04 with SafeMode graphics. time to get windows to accept it, then try reconfiging xserver 4 oGL graphics.
[03:38] <test3r> 256ram.
[03:38] <DaBeowulf> brb
[03:39] <test3r> safemode graphics is even fine we're jus gana throw apache on it. all we ned the gui for is a pampered interface
[03:39] <test3r> ;p
[03:41] <thirdy> vidd, it's 9:30 in the morning here, Philippines
[03:41] <DaBeowulf> Once again for the mouse..
[03:42] <vidd> ah
[03:42] <test3r> hey i read articl e again the other day about the Japanese Govnmt changing over to linux.  i hear from my buddy that it is been going on since 2001 or such- does anyone know if it is finally going to happen?
[03:42] <vidd> its 12 hours...earlier?.....here in eastern USA
[03:42] <test3r> and what dist will they use... ?!.?
[03:43] <test3r> yes I am 12 hrs earlier, too vidd, on Eastern time
[03:43] <DaBeowulf> ImPS/2 ExplorePS/2 ?
[03:44] <test3r> Explorer mourse is the microsoft mouse
[03:44] <test3r> with the side buttons i used to have 1
[03:44] <salvador_g> hello, i got a problem
[03:44] <DaBeowulf> Hmm mine is a Samsung.
[03:45] <j1mc> hi salvador_g go ahead and ask your question.
[03:45] <vidd> salvador_g, what's up?
[03:45] <vidd> !ask
[03:45] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[03:45] <salvador_g> im trying to use the live cd, but i cant load the kernel
[03:46] <vidd> salvador_g, what happens?
[03:46] <vidd> does it just reboot?
[03:46] <salvador_g> it shows a error message "casper/initrd.gz not found"
[03:47] <DaBeowulf> brb
[03:48] <DaBeowulf> Yay it works again. ImPS/2 ftw :P
[03:51] <DaBeowulf> cellofellow what was the first commands I had to do after checking the Software Sources and before reconfigure xorg, I'd like to note it down..
[03:53] <test3r> WOOT !
[03:53] <test3r> i feel leet. i just selected i810 for my vid instead of VESA
[03:53] <test3r> and x just actually Booted
[03:53] <test3r> ha HA
[03:54] <j1mc> test3r: can you open up your xubuntu terminal?  does that work ok?
[03:54] <test3r> ijust did the internal one i havent tried tty yet
[03:54] <DaBeowulf> The CD is fine?
[03:54] <test3r> what is it
[03:55] <test3r> glxinfo| grep direct rendering
[03:55] <test3r> ?
[03:55] <j1mc> test3r: try going to applications --> accessories --> Terminal
[03:55] <j1mc> i want to make sure that doesn't cause any problems.
[03:55] <test3r> yes its up im trying to see if it has oGL    =D
[03:56] <test3r> ah ha  glxinfo | grep rendering
[03:56] <test3r> and, yes, oGL is enabled.
[03:56] <test3r> ^ ^
[03:56] <test3r> ...
[03:56] <test3r> freeking pimp. on goes doom.
[03:58] <DaBeowulf> The original Doom? Get Slige, random levels are always fun.
[03:59] <test3r> that reminds m - do we STILL need a ogl version in the repository?
[03:59] <test3r> i compiled an ogl doom with freedoom and have it on cd. i used 606 im pretty sure
[03:59] <test3r> is there way i send to someone they pak for everyone and put up?
[04:00] <vidd> huh?
[04:00] <test3r> the freedoom install that is in the repository is not compiled against openGL. so i compiled from source after making a proper conf file
[04:01] <test3r> then i took the src comiled and put it on a cd. for use later, see?
[04:01] <test3r> then i just copy tose file, run /config make make install
[04:01] <test3r> an its done
[04:01] <test3r> er no just makemakeinstall
[04:01] <vidd> why not just make it into a .deb?
[04:02] <test3r> because i wouldnt know where to start to do that LoL. never thought of it.
[04:03] <vidd> let me find you a howto....
[04:03] <test3r> Slige????? what th-  it spawns new doom Every Time? yes yes Ned!
[04:04] <vidd> http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8047723203.html
[04:04] <DaBeowulf> Yeah Slige pawns..
[04:05] <DaBeowulf> http://members.aol.com/dmchess/nickdoom.html
[04:08] <test3r> bookmarkt, aaaaaaand bookmarkt.
[04:08] <test3r> thx
[04:08] <vidd> np test3r you'll get my bill in the mai;l
[04:08] <vidd> lol
[04:09] <test3r> you're sending kindling too? how nice of u  ;p
[04:09] <vidd> haha
[04:09] <test3r> hehehehe, no but seriously this should work with ne mod too then huh?
[04:10] <vidd> need something tpo get those windows disk to burn, eh?
[04:10] <test3r> or no? it prob doesnt use a stndrd PAK file
[04:11] <test3r> yeah all those missburns from stupid disks for stupid programs that just neded to b guttet thru CDRDAO
[04:14] <test3r> so- OK- how do i turn the C src into an x86 binary?
[04:14] <test3r> will it just Happen when i 'make' it?
[04:14] <test3r> dood says the program was written 4 winblows
[04:16] <Catoptromancy> did someone say doom?
[04:17] <Catoptromancy> DaBeowulf, every try Oblige?
[04:18] <test3r> not just Any doom, moded doomses
[04:18] <Catoptromancy> I make doom mods
[04:18] <Catoptromancy> im coding a launcher
[04:18] <DaBeowulf> The name rings a bell, what is it?
[04:18] <Catoptromancy> Its like Slige but makes much better maps
[04:18] <Catoptromancy> and is Native
[04:18] <test3r> i have a luncher for my moded doom up on my launcher bar
[04:19] <DaBeowulf> Alas, then I was mistaken, sounds superb!
[04:19] <Catoptromancy> http://www.soulsphere.org/stuffage/slige/
[04:19] <Catoptromancy> heh
[04:19] <Catoptromancy> http://oblige.sourceforge.net/
[04:19] <Catoptromancy> just one screenshot and you can see the difference
[04:20] <test3r> ROFL auto wad? omg nice
[04:20] <Catoptromancy> but slige maps are pretty crappy
[04:20] <test3r> can u use them with Any graphics sets?
[04:20] <test3r> maybe i can help with That
[04:20] <Catoptromancy> grpahics sets?
[04:20] <Catoptromancy> iwad you mean
[04:21] <vidd> *wave* maxamillion
[04:21] <test3r> yeah - wads contain not only the lvl info, but also the graphics info
[04:21] <maxamillion> hiya vidd
[04:21] <Catoptromancy> You can get prboom, one of the best doom ports
[04:21] <Catoptromancy> http://www.relentlessbeating.com/catoptromancy/freedoom-iwad-0.5.zip
[04:21] <Catoptromancy> and download that
[04:21] <Catoptromancy> and play totally GPL doom
[04:21] <test3r> thats what i have
[04:22] <Catoptromancy> cool
[04:22] <test3r> the openGL compiled one
[04:22] <test3r> from src
[04:22] <test3r> with a modded wad   =)
[04:22] <maxamillion> why on earth would doom need openGL?
[04:22] <DaBeowulf> Ah Sidplay2 sound <3
[04:22] <test3r> it totaly doesnt its just pimp to know its running on only the ram from my vid card basically
[04:23] <maxamillion> test3r: ah, the off load to the gpu factor ... its a nice feature
[04:23] <test3r> exactly. then i can b ripping in bakgrnd or watevr
[04:23] <maxamillion> fair enough
[04:24] <Catoptromancy> heh i should zip up my pwad
[04:24] <Catoptromancy> its a doom map I made for freedom
[04:24] <test3r> but yeah thats the one i have in src. can we / should we have that in the repository?
[04:24] <Catoptromancy> not in freedoom till the next version is released though
[04:24] <test3r> its setup to compile for oGL support in prboom
[04:25] <Catoptromancy> You dont need to compile GL support for prboom
[04:25] <Catoptromancy> just compile it normally
[04:25] <Catoptromancy> and go to the cfg and chane something from 0 to 1
[04:25] <test3r> yeah i had to switch something in the conf i swear
[04:25] <test3r> yes
[04:25] <maxamillion> test3r: i am unfamiliar with the exact licensing on the wad, but i would assume that if it could be in the repos then it would be
[04:25] <Catoptromancy> the freedoom iwad is gpl
[04:26] <Catoptromancy> everything is totally original
[04:26] <maxamillion> Catoptromancy: oh ... that i didn't know
[04:26] <maxamillion> then i don't know why its not in the repos
[04:26] <maxamillion> well ... hardly at all
[04:26] <Catoptromancy> its still .05
[04:26] <Catoptromancy> .5
[04:26] <test3r> oh - wait it totaly is
[04:26] <Catoptromancy> a few maps are missing or unfinished
[04:26] <test3r> prboom IS in the repos
[04:26] <Catoptromancy> prboom is
[04:26] <Catoptromancy> not the main iwad to run it
[04:26] <test3r> but the ver that is in there is only compiled for processor running
[04:26] <test3r> not oGL
[04:27] <Catoptromancy> no it can run gl
[04:27] <Catoptromancy> what version of prboom?
[04:27] <test3r> are you sure? because back when, in 6.01, i had to compile it because I figured that out somehow
[04:27] <Catoptromancy> im sure
[04:28] <Catoptromancy> really depends on version and it hasnt been updated for like 6 months
[04:28] <test3r> that was 2 yrs ago
[04:28] <Catoptromancy> well maybe
[04:28] <test3r> =D
[04:29] <Catoptromancy> seems 2.4.6 was latest version in repos
[04:29] <Catoptromancy> It should come with freedoom
[04:29] <test3r> so wait the one thats in there now will run either/or depending on what is available? I dont remember how I checked to find it wasnt using oGL
[04:29] <Catoptromancy> so people can jsut download and play
[04:30] <Catoptromancy> ill check
[04:30] <DaBeowulf> brb
[04:31] <thirdy> I'm using enabled compositing, I'm getting distorted menu's
[04:31] <Jester45> hey vidd im in here
[04:31] <Catoptromancy> that version is 2.4.6 latest is 2.4.7
[04:31] <GhostlyDeath> sup
[04:31] <vidd> so am i
[04:31] <Catoptromancy> so it should already compile with GL
[04:31] <Catoptromancy> hey
[04:32] <Jester45> anyone know if irssi can switch between channel or do i have to /join #channel each time
[04:32] <test3r> oh, wow they figured that out? nice, nice. see? I wasn't pullin ur leg!    =D
[04:32] <vidd> maxamillion, you should know this one
[04:33] <Jester45> anyone?
[04:33] <Beowulf> !info test
[04:33] <ubotu> Package test does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[04:33] <maxamillion> what?
[04:34] <Jester45> maxamillion: do you use irssi
[04:34] <maxamillion> sorry, i was reading an article on linux.com
[04:34] <maxamillion> Jester45: yeah
[04:34] <Jester45> can it switch between 2 channels i thought you use tab but that isnt it
[04:35] <Beowulf> Hydra behaves strangely in Wine :/
[04:35] <maxamillion> Jester45: when you join a channel, it is given a number, those numbers are displayed on the right hand side in "[Act: 1,2,3,4] " and when a number goes white, activity has happened, and when it goes red then its a pm or your nick has been typed and you hit alt+# where # is the number of the channel/pm you wish to view
[04:36] <Jester45> ok thanks
[04:36] <Jester45> i figured it could
[04:36] <vidd> so it is a command line only chat program?
[04:36] <maxamillion> Jester45: oh yeah, it can even connect to multiple servers at the same time, split into virtual windows, etc... its rather capable
[04:37] <Jester45> yes vidd
[04:37] <maxamillion> vidd: irssi? ... well, yes it was originally, but there are now gui spin-offs but "true irssi" is cli only
[04:37] <Jester45> how would one go about removeing one of the chats
[04:37] <vidd> maxamillion, is it possible to log into two different servers with two different usernames?
[04:38] <maxamillion> Jester45: to exit a channel use the command /part which will leave the chan, use /wc to leave a pm meaning "window close"
[04:38] <maxamillion> vidd: sure is
[04:38] <maxamillion> vidd: www.irssi.org for more info, their documentation is stellar :)
[04:38] <Jester45> ok i been using gaim so i just close the tab
[04:38] <Jester45> forgot about that
[04:38] <vidd> so i could...for example log into the work chatroom with my work id, and xubuntu with my "civilian" id?
[04:38] <maxamillion> Jester45: no worries
[04:39] <maxamillion> vidd: yeah
[04:39] <vidd> awesome....
[04:39] <Jester45> maxamillion: and what if the chat is a pm say from NickServ
[04:40] <maxamillion> Jester45: a pm is a pm, /wc will work
[04:40] <Jester45> so no part, ok
[04:40] <test3r> i actually prefer GAIM than the txt interface probably
[04:40] <test3r> its more like mirc
[04:41] <vidd> test3r, that is EXACTLY the reason im inclinded to go to a cli one
[04:41] <test3r> u can still use the old cnds too
[04:41] <maxamillion> Jester45: yeah ... i mentioned that, /wc is for "window close", the same command will work for leaving channels too, but /part is just kinda more traditional and i think it communicates with chanserv more appopriately
[04:41] <maxamillion> test3r: well i've been on linux as my only operating system for over 7 years ... the command line and i are good friends :)
[04:41] <Jester45> ok
[04:41] <maxamillion> brb, dog need to go out
[04:42] <Jester45> me and the command line have a kid we call it ncurses
[04:42] <test3r> well im not saying im not good on a CLI - i installed slack from floppy onto a compaq pentium 1 w/ 16MB RAM
[04:42] <test3r> im saying why overcompicate
[04:42] <test3r> too many more new cmnds
[04:42] <Jester45> its faster when you know what you doing
[04:42] <test3r> i just learned Vim for the love of Joe
[04:42] <Jester45> its called learning
[04:43] <test3r> =9
[04:43] <vidd> test3r, the commands are nearly identical
[04:43] <Jester45> test3r: have you tried nano i think its much better
[04:43] <test3r> they r like vim?  where-   :q is quit and etc ?
[04:43] <test3r> nano is easier but it isnt on slack.
[04:43] <test3r> i installed
[04:43] <test3r> from floppy
[04:43] <vidd> test3r, then use pico
[04:44] <vidd> THAT should be on slackware
[04:44] <test3r> not sure if that was there or not - didnt even think of it
[04:44] <Jester45> test3r: do you use aptitude/apt-get over synaptics
[04:44] <test3r> it has to b at Boot too
[04:44] <test3r> not jus in the repos
[04:44] <test3r> i actually like vim
[04:44] <Jester45> hey cellofellow
[04:45] <cellofellow> hello
[04:45] <test3r> it is ez  i can save&exit in a few keys
[04:45] <maxamillion> yeah, pico is ancient .. nano is a clone that seems to have super-seeded it
[04:45] <cellofellow> the only vim commands I know are :wq, :syntax enable, and /searchterm
[04:45] <vidd> test3r, yes...once you LEARN it....it is super fast
[04:45] <Jester45> tester is nano is alt+o then enter
[04:45] <cellofellow> pico was proprietary. Nano is a GNU clone.
[04:46] <maxamillion> cellofellow: oh, that i didn't know ... thanks for the factoid
[04:46] <vidd> pico is proprietary?
[04:46] <cellofellow> F3, if you aren't in a terminal emulator, saves in nano.
[04:46] <cellofellow> at least not "free"
[04:47] <cellofellow> the command pico links to nano in ubuntu, for compatiblities sake.
[04:47] <vidd> it is installed by default on (*)buntu
[04:47] <test3r> how u learn that F save? all i see is those cmnds on bottom in nano
[04:47] <test3r> cant say i ever RTFM tho
[04:47] <cellofellow> from right to left is F1, F2, F3, etc.
[04:47] <test3r> ;)
[04:47] <maxamillion> ahhh ok, pico is to UNIX as nano is to GNU ... so its like cc and gcc
[04:47] <maxamillion> !rtfm | test3r
[04:47] <ubotu> test3r: Words like noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.
[04:48] <cellofellow> pico comes from pine, the email client, which I've never actually seen.
[04:48] <cellofellow> he was talking about himself.
[04:48] <test3r> not even about oneself? harsh man
[04:48] <test3r> =(
[04:48] <maxamillion> oh, sorry
[04:48] <maxamillion> i didn't see it in context, i was reading wikipedia and then saw it when i came back
[04:48] <cellofellow> josh@lordpenguin:~$ file `which pico`
[04:48] <cellofellow> /usr/bin/pico: symbolic link to `/bin/nano'
[04:48] <maxamillion> lol
[04:48] <maxamillion> nice
[04:49] <test3r> it was actually only half fitting. i meant to have it be read in the past tense
[04:49] <cellofellow> funny that read and read are spelled the same
[04:50] <test3r> yeeeeeeah>?
[04:50] <maxamillion> yeah, context is a pain with the digital world
[04:50] <test3r> what is the second word rom the left that we're not suposed to say?
[04:50] <test3r> lol.
[04:50] <test3r> jet for good innings
[04:50] <test3r> that must be what it is
[04:51] <test3r> no seriously i have no idea what what is short for
[04:51] <Jester45> i like stfu n00b, but thats from playing games
[04:52] <maxamillion> hey hey
[04:52] <vidd> test3r, something about google
[04:52] <Jester45> in irc i tend to just stop talking
[04:52] <test3r> oh- Just For Fun
[04:52] <Jester45> ___ ___ google idiot ? maybe
[04:53] <Jester45> ooo
[04:53] <Jester45> i got it
[04:53] <vidd> just go _____ it
[04:53] <test3r> rofl. yeah we wouldnt wat to ncourage anyone to Try anything now would we
[04:53] <Jester45> no it Just F___ Google It
[04:53] <vidd> i want to know what stfu is
[04:54] <Jester45> shut the f up
[04:54] <test3r> steve tears funyuns up
[04:54] <maxamillion> bah! .. can we atleast move this to #xubuntu-offtopic
[04:54] <maxamillion> please?
[04:54] <vidd> sorry
[04:54] <test3r> YeeaaaaaaaAAAAAhh. ! whats wrong with you all?   ;)
[04:55] <test3r> hwey how fast a box you need
[04:55] <test3r> for a nexuiz server?
[04:55] <maxamillion> vidd: its alright
[04:55] <Jester45> depends how many player and if your gonna play on the same box and the lag you want
[04:56] <thirdy> can I pause aptitude install?
[04:56] <cellofellow> I'd bet ram and bandwidth would have more effect than processor
[04:56] <maxamillion> test3r: i dunno ... probably a 500mhz p3, 256mb of ram ... give or take
[04:56] <vidd> night all
[04:56] <maxamillion> vidd: night
[04:56] <slop> is it possible to have dual monitors, each with its own panel, each with its own task list, and the task list only shows what apps are open on that particular monitor?  it did it automatically in gnome, but i can't figure it out with xfce...
[04:56] <maxamillion> thirdy: pause?
[04:56] <cellofellow> thirdy: ctrl-z should do it, for a minute or two. fg 1 to restart
[04:57] <maxamillion> slop: i wasn't aware that could be done in gnome, and i think something similar can be done with xfce ... i just don't entirely know how to do it
[04:57] <Jester45> slop: yes you can run a xserver on each moniter, but i dont know the details
[04:57] <cellofellow> slop: sometimes gnome has more features than xfce. that's why it's lighter.
[04:57] <test3r> ? nice, so a 2.8Ghrz box should do it nicly then. maybe we want that as the play box then, ake the server a dif box
[04:57] <slop> cellofellow: i know...just curious if its possible
[04:57] <Jester45> anyone read what i said?
[04:57] <maxamillion> test3r: probably, but depending on the ram of the machine it might be able to serve and play at the same time
[04:57] <maxamillion> Jester45: yes
[04:57] <cellofellow> never tried, but I think xfce has some xinerama integration.
[04:57] <slop> Jester45: wouldn't that use a LOT of ram?
[04:58] <Jester45> not really
[04:58] <Jester45> im using 3 of them
[04:58] <slop> hmmm
[04:58] <Jester45> but i forgot how i did it
[04:58] <cellofellow> if you have more than one login at a time, each has its own X server.
[04:58] <slop> Jester45: can you pass windows between x sessions like that?
[04:58] <cellofellow> X is also smart enough to share RAM between instances I think.
[04:58] <test3r> huh! Yeah, and we were talking about maxing its ram anyway. maybe we'll do that
[04:58] <Jester45> no
[04:58] <aubade> Anyone have an idea if you can not have xfdesktop show the trash bin?
[04:58] <cellofellow> !xinerama | slop
[04:58] <ubotu> slop: xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[04:58] <cellofellow> aubade: works in Feisty automatically
[04:59] <slop> i dunno if xinerama is what i need....isn't that just to get dual monitors working?  mine work, i just want separate task lists on each one..
[04:59] <aubade> cellofellow: Ah, alright. Still using 4.4 RC2. :P
[04:59] <Jester45> i dont think you can do that slop at least now with xfwm
[04:59] <maxamillion> aubade: Applications->Settings->Settings Manager->Desktop->Behavior and then "Desktop Icons" section
[05:00] <slop> oh well...bummer :p
[05:00] <cellofellow> maxamillion: that's not gonna work. Edgy can't do that, only 4.4 Stable in Feisty.
[05:00] <maxamillion> cellofellow: really? i thought it was only dapper that had the hack job patch in it
[05:01] <cellofellow> The way I would do DualHead would have each head have a workspace and be able to move one workspace from one screen to the other, or into the background. Even have one workspace on two screens (for like projectors)
[05:01] <aubade> mm, there isn't an option there. Just for whether you want shortcuts/launchers or iconified windows and the size of said icons. Guess it wasn't thrown in until 4.4 final.
[05:01] <cellofellow> That's right.
[05:01] <cellofellow> upgrade man
[05:02] <BFTD> how do i use the disk so that I can install from it
[05:02] <BFTD> ?
[05:02] <maxamillion> cellofellow: actuall, i think having a workspace on each screen is exactly what slop wants to do
[05:02] <cellofellow> which disk?
[05:02] <cellofellow> maxamillion: I figured :)
[05:02] <maxamillion> cellofellow: or atleast it will mimic the functionality
[05:02] <cellofellow> it would
[05:02] <cellofellow> you can set up Task List to show only one or all workspaces.
[05:03] <maxamillion> aubade: ah, yes ... then you will need to upgrade ... you can pick and choose what icons you want in the final release ... just upgrade to feisty, the download time isn't too bad
[05:03] <curiogeo> hi all maybe someone can help me
[05:03] <cellofellow> !ask | curiogeo
[05:03] <ubotu> curiogeo: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:03] <curiogeo> I have just installed xfce4 and it gave me an error
[05:03] <curiogeo> X: cannot stat /etc/X11/X (No such file or directory), aborting.
[05:03] <curiogeo> giving up
[05:04] <maxamillion> curiogeo: how did you install xfce4? via the repos or compile from source?
[05:04] <curiogeo> I used aptitude on xub 6.06
[05:04] <cellofellow> I'd do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in a terminal
[05:04] <cellofellow> did you install xubuntu-desktop?
[05:04] <curiogeo> no to xub-desktop
[05:05] <curiogeo> should I install that as well
[05:05] <BFTD> anyone?
[05:05] <cellofellow> it will fetch whatever's missing
[05:05] <maxamillion> curiogeo: yes, it will pull in stuff you probably want
[05:05] <cellofellow> BFTD: What do you need? Details please.
[05:07] <BFTD> cellofellow I want to be able to mount the ubuntu disk so that i can install software from it
[05:07] <curiogeo> while that is working I am truying to manage SAMBA from windows and I am unable to add users to the domain admin group
[05:07] <thirdy_> thanx, ctrl+z and fg 1 worked
[05:07] <cellofellow> BFTD: insert it and run sudo apt-cdrom add
[05:08] <maxamillion> BFTD: but be sure to go into your sources.list and commet the entry out before trying to install things from the net again
[05:08] <curiogeo> I crated testadmin and then with srvtools usrmgr tried to put that user into the domain admin group and it keeps failing
[05:08] <BFTD> failed to mount
[05:08] <cellofellow> BFTD: oh?
[05:09] <cellofellow> was it mounted before?
[05:09] <maxamillion> curiogeo: just a moment, as my slow internet connection catches up ... i am getting a link for you that talks about samba configuration
[05:09] <BFTD> yes
[05:09] <cellofellow> BFTD: do that unmounted
[05:10] <curiogeo> BTW that xub desktop package is 218 MB
[05:11] <curiogeo> good thing for HS internet
[05:11] <cellofellow> it's a meta-package. It's actually about 0MB
[05:11] <cellofellow> it just drags in a bunch of other stuff.
[05:11] <maxamillion> curiogeo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ComprehensiveSambaGuide is good, and so is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSamba ... but the second is still a work in progress
[05:11] <BFTD> same error
[05:12] <cellofellow> BFTD: apt-cdrom requires that the mountpoint be either /cdrom or that /cdrom links to the mountpoint.
[05:12] <maxamillion> cellofellow: xubuntu-desktop is about 11.3k :)
[05:12] <cellofellow> I sort of forgot about that
[05:12] <BFTD> it is
[05:12] <cellofellow> maxamillion: closer to 0MB than 1MB
[05:12] <cellofellow> :(
[05:12] <cellofellow> BFTD: doesn't work if it's the LiveCD
[05:12] <maxamillion> cellofellow: very much so ;)
[05:13] <curiogeo> I will look them over thanks
[05:13] <maxamillion> BFTD: oh yeah, forgot to mention that ... only alternate cd has the packages, the liveCD can't be installed from
[05:13] <BFTD> cellofellow oh
[05:13] <BFTD> pity
[05:13] <cellofellow> You know how long it took for me to get samba to the point that Windows ME would print to it? Like 3 months.
[05:13] <maxamillion> cellofellow: ouch
[05:13] <curiogeo> yes the 2 of you are quite correct there are quite a few packages installing as we type
[05:13] <Jester45> its really close to .0113MB
[05:14] <cellofellow> Sarge didn't work. Etch's version of testparm helped though.
[05:14] <maxamillion> cellofellow: there is a spec on wiki.ubuntu.com for a samba gui config tool ... i didn't really read into it, but i like the idea :)
[05:15] <cellofellow> My server is no GUI so I used SWAT and SSH/Vim.
[05:17] <cellofellow> weird, my servers uptime is only 29 days. When did I last reboot it I wonder.
[05:17] <cellofellow> why rather
[05:17] <maxamillion> lol, i was about to say ....
[05:17] <Chikubu> hello
[05:17] <maxamillion> hi
[05:18] <maxamillion> cellofellow: actually, you should look into ebox-platform
[05:18] <Chikubu> ive got an older pc with dead floppy and dead cd, net work card works, is their an install procedure posted someplace to place hard drive in another box and install xubuntu to the drive, then put back in other box?
[05:19] <Chikubu> i wanna dual boot it with win98
[05:19] <cellofellow> maxamillion: /dev/hda1             964M  892M   31M  97% /
[05:19] <cellofellow> /dev/hda2             380M   20M  341M   6% /home
[05:19] <cellofellow> not much hdd space
[05:20] <maxamillion> oh ouch
[05:20] <curiogeo> you guys are great xfce4 running like a charm
[05:20] <cellofellow> Chikubu: if you don't specialize the hard drive settings too much, and switch from UUID to /dev hard drive listings, it shouldn't complain about being moved from one box to another.
[05:21] <maxamillion> cellofellow: then check freeNAS, i think it does samba and only needs like 20mb
[05:21] <cellofellow> it's all set. I don't need to do anything to it.
[05:21] <maxamillion> curiogeo: glad we could help :)
[05:21] <maxamillion> cellofellow: oh ok
[05:21] <maxamillion> :)
[05:21] <Chikubu> ok, the drive just has a fat32 partition nowk, will xbuntu give me option to move the free space around and make new parition?
[05:21] <Chikubu> or shoudl i use a utility first
[05:22] <cellofellow> it will move fat32 around just fine
[05:22] <curiogeo> has anyone here tried running nomachine on xub
[05:23] <maxamillion> curiogeo: nomachine?
[05:24] <curiogeo> remote desktop program similar to vnc and rdp
[05:24] <Chikubu> is the desktop-i386.iso the one i want
[05:24] <Chikubu> and do i use it to boot the machine to do the install
[05:24] <curiogeo> I noticed it while going through the samba docs http://www.nomachine.com/products.php
[05:25] <maxamillion> Chikubu: yes, desktop-i386 will actually bring you to a "live" desktop and you just double click the install icon and it takes you through the install one step at a time
[05:25] <curiogeo> they praise themselves as the secoond coming of christ
[05:25] <maxamillion> curiogeo: never heard of it to be honest
[05:25] <curiogeo> I was hoping someone had some experience with it
[05:25] <Chikubu> fairly friendly or should i bone up alot
[05:26] <maxamillion> Chikubu: extremely friendly and completely documented, it walks you through step by step
[05:27] <maxamillion> Chikubu: just read carefully and you should be fine
[05:27] <Chikubu> ah i like dates like that :)
[05:27] <maxamillion> ;)
[05:29] <Chikubu> i was fighing with dsl-n earlier, everything is manual
[05:29] <maxamillion> ah, yeah
[05:29] <Chikubu> never could get loadlin right
[05:29] <maxamillion> ok ... dinner time, brb
[05:31] <gimpy530> so...when I try to install xubuntu I get the error that it couldn;t create the file system, ubuntu always installed fine, but not xubuntu
[05:32] <gimpy530> any ideas how to fix it?
[05:35] <Pumpernickel> bug 107259
[05:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107259 in ubiquity "Xubuntu partitioning can fail because ubiquity does not prevent thunar from automounting new partitions" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107259
[05:36] <gimpy530> ok, I'll give thata try
[05:40] <gimpy530> had to re-open the installer, but it looks like it is working now, thanks
[05:42] <Pumpernickel> np
[05:45] <maxamillion> wow ... my wifi connection holds even when my laptop suspends to ram ... it didn't do that in edgy
[05:49] <cellofellow> my Dad's WinXP Dell laptop turns off the wifi if you just close the lid, without letting it go to standby.
[05:50] <cellofellow> I know my computer doesn't do suspend when I have APM. I think it's an ACPI BIOS but it's 1999 so I have to acpi=force but that doesn't work.
[05:51] <cellofellow> !acpi
[05:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about acpi - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:51] <maxamillion> cellofellow: actually, i just closed the lid ... didn't explicitly suspend
[05:51] <cellofellow> some computers do it one way, some another
[05:51] <cellofellow> which is why acpi is such I pain I believe.
[05:51] <cellofellow> !ACPI
[05:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about acpi - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:52] <cellofellow> blast
[05:52] <cellofellow> !suspend
[05:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about suspend - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:52] <maxamillion> !info acpi
[05:52] <ubotu> acpi: displays information on ACPI devices. In component main, is optional.  I can play in my Box all I want.
[05:54] <maxamillion> cellofellow: why don't you have su privs?
[05:54] <cellofellow> my parents changed the passwords on the computer.
[05:54] <maxamillion> what?!?!
[05:54] <cellofellow> now I need permission and a password to get in.
[05:54] <maxamillion> on your linux install?
[05:54] <cellofellow> on all the computers
[05:54] <maxamillion> jeebus
[05:54] <cellofellow> I even upgraded Win98 to Win2K to make it so they could lock that up too.
[05:55] <maxamillion> that wouldn't fly in my house, i would freak out ... i can't have someone else admin my box
[05:55] <cellofellow> I know.  No SSH, nothing like that.
[05:55] <maxamillion> what?
[05:56] <maxamillion> how'd they pull that off?
[05:56] <maxamillion> welcome back slop
[05:56] <cellofellow> My help. :|
[05:56] <slop> ty :)
[05:56] <slop> got another small problem
[05:56] <cellofellow> all ears
[05:56] <maxamillion> cellofellow: why on earth would you ... bleh :(
[05:56] <maxamillion> slop: fire away
[05:56] <slop> i have dual monitors...when i go to play a game, the game pops up in the center...half in one monitor, half in the other
[05:56] <cellofellow> slop: sounds normal for dual-heads
[05:57] <maxamillion> slop: oh yes, that's a known issue for games that don't support dual-head
[05:57] <slop> well i could fix the problem before by editing xorg.conf
[05:57] <maxamillion> slop: you have a nvidia card?
[05:57] <slop> maxamillion: yeah
[05:57] <maxamillion> slop: just run "sudo nvidia-settings" before you play the game and disable the second screen and then again after you are done and re-enable it ... its kinda annoying, but it works
[05:57] <slop> unfortunately the xorg.conf file looks completely different now in the section i'm supposed to edit...i don't know if its because of the new nvida-settings thing, or if its because i switched to xfce
[05:58] <maxamillion> slop: yeah, nvidia-settings does some rather interesting things to the xorg.conf
[05:58] <cellofellow> maxamillion: My brothers, and I to an extent, overused the computer. So, my parents insisted on having all the passwords. I wasn't about to complain.
[05:59] <maxamillion> cellofellow: ah, i guess ... but computer use should be encouraged in my opinion
[05:59] <slop> maxamillion: you used to be able to add "1280x1024, NULL" and it would fix it....now that crashes X :P
[05:59] <maxamillion> cellofellow: espectially what you do one a computer
[05:59] <maxamillion> slop: yeah, nvidia-settings adds syntax to the xorg.conf that i didn't even know was valid
[05:59] <cellofellow> well, it's all flash games and stuff with my brothers.
[06:00] <maxamillion> cellofellow: ah ... yeah, restrict their access, they don't do anything productive
[06:00] <slop> maxamillion: i tried to use their syntax too lol....wasn't very successful though
[06:00] <cellofellow> My machine is my own. Not a bit  of hardware on it belongs to my parents.
[06:01] <cellofellow> My family has an identical box to share.
[06:01] <maxamillion> slop: oh, after i started using nvidia-settings i stoped editing by hand, i don't know what to do with it
[06:01] <maxamillion> cellofellow: oh
[06:01] <maxamillion> cellofellow: then i have no other solution for you :/
[06:02] <cellofellow> I even wrote a bash+zenity script that logged off XFCE after one hour of use. Trouble is, I'm the only one that uses XFCE around here.
[06:02] <cellofellow> And I couldn't write or find anything equivilant in Windows.
[06:03] <maxamillion> cellofellow: yeah, i wouldn't know where to start
[06:03] <maxamillion> i really need to look into zenity, its a really great idea
[06:03] <cellofellow> the magic command was xfce4-session-logout. windows doesn't have that.
[06:03] <maxamillion> well "read into it" ... i already know about it
[06:03] <cellofellow> all the docs I need are in zenity --help
[06:04] <maxamillion> cellofellow: oh, nice
[06:04] <cellofellow> it's actually really nice
[06:05] <cellofellow> I think if I could convince my parents to log in my brothers into Xubuntu on the family box instead of Windows unless they REALLY NEED TO USE WINDOWS we might have less gaming problems.
[06:05] <cellofellow> It is a dual-boot.
[06:06] <cellofellow> but Xubuntu was last booted like 2 weeks ago.
[06:07] <maxamillion> that is a sad thing
[06:24] <BFTD> whats wrong with gaming? Besides the part that steals your life
[06:25] <maxamillion> BFTD: that's the only thing wrong with it
[06:26] <BFTD> haha
[06:26] <BFTD> then lets play something
[06:27] <maxamillion> my net connection is too slow to game on :/
[06:27] <thirdy_> taskbar is not showing
[06:28] <thirdy_> I did sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[06:28] <maxamillion> ?
[06:31] <thirdy_> !gdm
[06:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gdm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:31] <thirdy_> ssdfksdfklsdf
[06:32] <maxamillion> !info gdm
[06:32] <ubotu> gdm: GNOME Display Manager. In component main, is optional. Version 2.18.1-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 1771 kB, installed size 13480 kB
[06:32] <thirdy_> maxamillion, my taskbar isn't showing
[06:32] <thirdy_> need help
[06:33] <thirdy_> I did aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[06:33] <maxamillion> thirdy_: hit alt+f2 and it will open a run dialog, enter "xfce4-panel &" and click "run" .. should be fine
[06:33] <maxamillion> thirdy_: aptitude install ubuntu-desktop just installs all default applications and the gnome desktop environment that comes with ubuntu ... actually has nothing to do with xubuntu
[06:34] <thirdy_> nothing happend
[06:34] <maxamillion> thirdy_: nothing happened when you did what?
[06:34] <thirdy_> run xfce4-panel
[06:35] <BFTD> maybe his res is to hight
[06:36] <thirdy_> I think this is 800x600
[06:36] <maxamillion> thirdy_: pull your mouse to the bottom of the screen, does the screen scroll at all?
[06:36] <thirdy_> nope
[06:37] <thirdy_> I can switch workspace by scrolling my mouse
[06:37] <maxamillion> thirdy_: this is strange ... hit alt+f2 and enter "Terminal" this time and then we can work inside of a term window
[06:37] <thirdy_> ok, terminal is open, I used it to run xchat
[06:39] <maxamillion> thirdy_: ok, do "ps aux | grep xfce4-panel" and tell me how many lines of text it returns
[06:40] <thirdy> wat was it agian?
[06:40] <thirdy> *again?
[06:41] <maxamillion> thirdy: "ps aux | grep xfce4-panel"
[06:41] <thirdy> thirdy    6107  0.0  0.2   2880   748 pts/1    R+   12:41   0:00 grep xfce4-panel
[06:41] <maxamillion> thirdy: that's all its doing?
[06:41] <thirdy> yeah
[06:41] <maxamillion> thirdy: errr, that's all it output?
[06:42] <maxamillion> hmmm
[06:42] <maxamillion> ok, in the same terminal type "xfce4-panel &" and then see if either the task bar comes back or it gives an error in the terminal
[06:42] <thirdy> xfce4-panel: error while loading shared libraries: : cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:43] <maxamillion> thirdy: there ya go ... google that error
[06:47] <thirdy> is there a command like
[06:47] <thirdy> fix xubuntu?
[06:47] <thirdy> sudo aptitude xubuntu-fix
[06:47] <maxamillion> thirdy: yeah, not so much
[06:47] <thirdy> sudo aptitude fix xubuntu
[06:47] <thirdy> huh?>
[06:50] <maxamillion> there is no such command
[06:51] <thirdy> maxamillion, how bout scandisk or chkdisk?
[06:53] <maxamillion> thirdy: that has nothing to do with your panel, both of those commands on windows just check disk and filesystem integrity (there is a tool called fsck that does the same for linux)
[06:56] <thirdy> WARNING!!!  Running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause
[06:56] <thirdy> SEVERE filesystem damage.
[06:56] <thirdy> scary
[06:57] <Jester45> umount it first
[07:00] <test3r> hey what do i do to make a DVD ISO that has more than one dir as root?
[07:00] <test3r> wait
[07:00] <test3r> i think iknow the answer to this
[07:00] <test3r> copy to different place if there iswhat u dont want on it
[07:02] <test3r> 'i think i shall change some perms too as alot of the stuff could only be used by root (it is the dell internal restore files)
[07:15] <test3r> well that was a pain - hopefully the BIN files dont have to b executable by user.
[07:16] <test3r> for future ref- does ne1 know how to chmod a dir and all sub dir and files with one cmnd?
[07:19] <test3r> wow- growisofs just pushed 5.9x burn to my external - it puts MY box to shame.
[07:19] <test3r> =(
[07:19] <test3r> thing goes faster than nero does.
[07:23] <VeganChick01> i just installed xubuntu (feisty) and i had wireless internet for 5 minutes, and then it stopped working
[07:25] <VeganChick01> i have no idea why it works fine on os x and not in xubuntu
[07:26] <test3r> well- isnt mac a newer addition to the linux-capable systems?
[07:27] <test3r> i've never owned one, but ive used macs lots
[07:27] <VeganChick01> test3r: but it did work for about 5 minutes...and it worked before i reinstalled
[07:27] <VeganChick01> although i had ubuntu installed and then updated to xubuntu, so now i'm running w/o gnome...
[07:28] <test3r> when i login to xubuntu, sometimes my wifi card will say im connected to my network (which has a key) by blinking both its lights at the same time, but i wont be getting net access if i, say, try to come in here.
[07:29] <test3r> what i do is goto network, uncheck the wifi box to disable the card for a sec, then check the box
[07:29] <test3r> seems to work
[07:29] <VeganChick01> i couldn't check the box in network...
[07:29] <VeganChick01> there was a minus through it
[07:29] <test3r> if im connecting
[07:29] <test3r> oh well theres is a start of an answer
[07:29] <VeganChick01> i could check/uncheck the wired connection, but i don't have that...
[07:29] <test3r> find why that is no validbox
[07:30] <test3r> do you have interface eth0 ?
[07:30] <VeganChick01> i don't have a password or anything for this wireless connection though
[07:30] <test3r> im not sure how- but you want to check eth0 for a response in the system
[07:30] <test3r> if no response- you need to set it up again
[07:31] <VeganChick01> set what up again?
[07:31] <test3r> oh it's wreless thats right   =/
[07:31] <test3r> my tru wifi interface is at wifi0
[07:31] <test3r> but i am on an older card
[07:31] <test3r> yours might be ath0
[07:31] <VeganChick01> test3r: i have no idea
[07:32] <VeganChick01> it just works in os x, i don't have to do anything
[07:50] <godless> Is there any way to run quickbooks and/or simply accounting under linux yet?
[08:06] <xjkx>  I installed vncserver on linux and ultravnc on windows 98, i put ip:port, it asks for password, i give password, then i get a silver screen and nothing else o.o
[08:17] <Jester45> !vnc
[08:17] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[08:22] <xjkx> Jester45: i dont think this openssh thing is needed
[08:23] <maxamillion> xjkx: openssh is critical to your system, you need it for almost anything to do with online encryption
[08:24] <xjkx> lets think about it later, all i want now is to see xfce on windows
[08:24] <xjkx> i have a problem
[08:24] <xjkx> A sivler screen, which isnt normal
[08:24] <xjkx> I fix it, then i think about it
[08:25] <maxamillion> xfce on windows?
[08:26] <xjkx> on ultravnc
[08:26] <xjkx> which is on windows
[08:26] <xjkx> Let me explain,
[08:27] <maxamillion> i don't do vnc, i don't do windows ... i probably won't be of much help
[08:27] <xjkx> I am on xubuntu, now i ran vncserver, ok...then i went to an windows machine with UltraVnc, there i typed my ip and port, and so it connected, asked for a password and accepted the password. Ok, but i cant see anything besides a silver screen
[08:27] <maxamillion> but i am willing to try
[08:27] <xjkx> :>
[08:28] <maxamillion> ah ok, sounds like X started, but the xfce4 start script wasn't called ... might be a setting somewhere in the vnc server that pertains to logins
[08:28] <xjkx> uhmm
[08:30] <maxamillion> but again, i don't do vnc so i could either a) be completely wrong ... or b) wouldn't know where to look in the config files to help you
[08:32] <xjkx> I believe i found the config file, what should i exec to call xfce?
[08:34] <maxamillion> uhmm... just a moment, i forget the name of it
[08:34] <maxamillion> startxfce4
[11:51] <AppleNippleBOB> I am just wondering, would Xubuntu run on a system with 32mb of RAM?
[12:10] <grazie> AppleNippleBOB: no
[12:10] <AppleNippleBOB> grazie, thanks.
[12:10] <grazie> np
[12:49] <bobslaede> i have some problems with my keyboard layout
[12:49] <bobslaede> im using both danish and u.s layout
[12:50] <bobslaede> i have all the standard buttons for us layout, but it seems that my ' and \ key, are both ' key
[12:50] <bobslaede> if thats understandable
[12:50] <bobslaede> i have tried different us layous, like the us intl
[12:50] <bobslaede> which makes the ' key be a  key
[12:50] <bobslaede> but the \ key works
[01:16] <grumpymole> hi
[01:17] <grumpymole> i can't seem to find deluge-torrent in the feisty repo's
[01:17] <grumpymole> for installing on a xubuntu system, of course
[01:17] <grumpymole> anyone know whether it is still there?
[01:59] <homebrewcider> Ihave the cd of Xubuntu, can I upgrade using that cd?
[02:00] <homebrewcider>  that is
[02:00] <homebrewcider> 7.04
[02:01] <homebrewcider> I'll start again. I have the cd of Xubuntu 7.04, can I upgrade using that cd?
[02:16] <DaBeowulf> 'lo and goodday to you. o/
[02:18] <DaBeowulf> How can I boot DOS/Windows again? F4 at start doesn't work and in GRUB I wouldn't know to do a thing besides 'help' and 'help x' :S
[02:18] <TheSheep> DaBeowulf: you don't have it listed as an option in the grub's menu?
[02:18] <TheSheep> DaBeowulf: when you press 'esc' at boot
[02:18] <DaBeowulf> Needless to say they don't get shown in the Boot menu.
[02:18] <DaBeowulf> No. >_<
[02:19] <DaBeowulf> Is it because it's on another partition now?
[02:29] <TheSheep> DaBeowulf: no
[02:29] <TheSheep> DaBeowulf: you can add it to that menu
[02:29] <TheSheep> DaBeowulf: boot xubuntu and do 'gksu mousepad /boot/grub/menu.lst'
[02:30] <TheSheep> DaBeowulf: there should be an example there for how to add entry for windows
[02:30] <TheSheep> DaBeowulf: just copy it at the end and uncomment
[02:30] <TheSheep> DaBeowulf: you might need to change the partition number in that example too
[02:33] <DaBeowulf> Thanks for the heads-up! <3
[02:41] <DaBeowulf> Oi Doom3 runs natively :O
[02:41] <DaBeowulf> I wonder if I can play DungeonDoom without CTD all the time
[02:41] <TheSheep> :)
[02:55] <Andy7> why hell
[02:55] <Andy7> hello
[02:56] <kj0ttdeig> "hda6 has gone 47362 days without being checked" xD
[02:56] <DaBeowulf> lol wth I do not need to sign into Fileplanet to D/L?
[02:58] <BlueEagle> kj0ttdeig: Det kan skje. (that can happen)
[02:59] <Andy7> I'm new xubuntu user, fact quite newbie with any linux tbh, could ya lend me hand on how to get music and videos working?
[02:59] <kj0ttdeig> i installed xubuntu on it a couple of minutes ago :p
[03:01] <DaBeowulf> The usual Windows filetypes, Andy7?
[03:02] <Andy7> aye, mp3 wma avi divx and such
[03:03] <DaBeowulf> It's partly documented here I think: file:///usr/share/xubuntu-docs/desktopguide/C/index.html
[03:03] <TheSheep> !mp3
[03:03] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:04] <DaBeowulf> MP3s would be easy with Wine if you have the Windows install still on and music players you use there.
[03:04] <DaBeowulf> Well okay XMPlay was a bit buggy, but I haven't tried WinAmp, yet. But that'd be an odd solution anyway.
[03:04] <DaBeowulf> I'm a newbie myself.
[03:05] <TheSheep> DaBeowulf: mp3 are even easier
[03:05] <DaBeowulf> I bet.
[03:05] <TheSheep> DaBeowulf: you just need to install the additional codecs that are not installed by default because of legal issues
[03:06] <DaBeowulf> I thought so but since I haven't done that myself I can't easiely lend him a hand there.
[03:06] <DaBeowulf> I feel dirty enough using NVidia drivers :P
[03:07] <TheSheep> DaBeowulf: fortunately the links that ubotu provided contain all then ecessary information :)
[03:07] <Andy7> TheSheep, exactly what do i need ot do
[03:07] <Andy7> oh
[03:07] <DaBeowulf> Yeah the docs are great I just came here because I'm an impatient fellow. >_<
[03:08] <Andy7> bit same here
[03:08] <TheSheep> Andy7: you need to install the 'libxine-extracodecs' with synaptic
[03:09] <TheSheep> Andy7: you need to enable the universe and multiverse repositories for that
[03:09] <TheSheep> !repos | Andy7
[03:09] <ubotu> Andy7: The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[03:10] <DaBeowulf> Try this in the terminal it's suggested in the doc on your disk I linked to: sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs ffmpeg lame faad sox mjpegtools gxineplugin flashplugin-nonfree
[03:10] <TheSheep> right, and to get dvd support, do 'sudo apt-get install libdvdread3 libxine1-ffmpeg'
[03:11] <TheSheep> it's also possible to play the proprietary Microsoft formats, but it's illegal unless you onw a copy of windows
[03:11] <DaBeowulf> Gotta see if Ican boot Win98SE again now bbl
[03:11] <Andy7> right, The dvd support on its way, there was sthg wrong with DaBeowulfs comman
[03:12] <Andy7> d
[03:12] <Andy7> oh wait, hooray it works :)
[03:13] <vidd-bot_> hey...how do i register a new nick?
[03:14] <Merchelo> /msg nickserv register <password>
[03:14] <vidd> ty
[03:15] <Merchelo> np
[03:17] <Beowulf> \o/ success ;)
[03:22] <Yasuo> hi there, how much space does the xubuntu install take?
[03:22] <vidd_laptop> Yasuo, depends on how much you install
[03:22] <Yasuo> i have a notebook wich 100mhzm, 40mb and 500MB hdd, no cdrom
[03:22] <Yasuo> dunno, i need xterm, vi and maybe xchat
[03:23] <Yasuo> well how big is the standard install
[03:23] <vidd_laptop> you would be best off using the alt cd, and installing a server install
[03:24] <vidd_laptop> that way you can add the parts yu need
[03:24] <Yasuo> is there a netinstall diskette wich supports my pcmcia-1--lan?
[03:25] <Yasuo> hmm guess i will install xubuntu into a vm and look how much space it takes
[03:25] <vidd_laptop> you only have 40 mb of ram?
[03:27] <Yasuo> yes its a very old laptop
[03:27] <Yasuo> 40mb ram and 500mb hdd, pentium1
[03:28] <vidd_laptop> yeah...you definantly want to run a cli only system
[03:30] <vidd_laptop> i dont think a full install of even xubuntu would runon that
[03:36] <ablomen> even puppy wont
[03:36] <ablomen> to little ram
[03:37] <Yasuo> whats puppy
[03:37] <ablomen> http://www.puppylinux.org/ << a distro for old pc's
[03:44] <grazie> Yasuo: puppy actually needs a fair bit of resource. dsl would be better. Are you sure about the 40mb of ram? That's an 'odd' number.
[03:44] <Yasuo> yes its 8MB+32extented
[03:44] <grazie> k
[03:44] <Yasuo> so 8Mb onboard and 2x16MB chips
[03:45] <Yasuo> hmm dunno i dont really get along with dsl since its a live-system
[03:46] <grazie> not sure, but i think dsl needs 48mb. It can be installed on HD. You try booting knoppix in cli to check out your hw
[03:48] <Yasuo> i have no cdrom
[03:49] <Yasuo> so no knoppic, but i think knoppix is way to big anyway
[03:51] <ablomen> http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/baslinux/ << tada ;)
[03:51] <ablomen> Intel 386 or compatible 12 mb RAM two 1.44 mb floppy disks
[03:52] <Yasuo> yeah but....3MB is a bit to small XD
[03:56] <kj0ttdeig> where can i complain about this "feature"/bug:
[03:56] <kj0ttdeig> changing time/date makes the screen saver react
[03:59] <Yasuo> hmm maybe i should give the last DSL give a try :/
[04:04] <grazie> !bugs | kj0ttdeig
[04:04] <ubotu> kj0ttdeig: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[04:04] <Pumpernickel> kj0ttdeig: It's kind of hard to correct for that.  System time is supposed to be absolute.
[04:16] <Andy7> Why hello again
[04:16] <Andy7> Can anyone help me out a bit with my xubuntu install
[04:17] <vidd_laptop> sure
[04:17] <vidd_laptop> what is happening...or NOT happening?
[04:17] <Andy7> I need to know whether I can install xubuntu out of the box next to windows, and use dualboot
[04:17] <vidd_laptop> of course
[04:18] <Andy7> erm I have that desktop edition and I started to install but there was no mention of dualboot nor grub
[04:19] <vidd_laptop> did you get the part of partitioning?
[04:19] <Andy7> aye
[04:19] <Andy7> Im in that part right now
[04:19] <vidd_laptop> there should be a choice to resize the existing partition and use the free space
[04:20] <Andy7> erm so I cant use my already free space
[04:20] <vidd_laptop> sure you can
[04:20] <Andy7> thought so, how is this related to dualboot
[04:21] <vidd_laptop> later, grub will install and see your other partition
[04:21] <Andy7> so I just start to install and try not to worry about it?
[04:21] <vidd_laptop> lol
[04:21] <vidd_laptop> yep
[04:22] <vidd_laptop> you DID make a backup of your winbloze partion
[04:22] <vidd_laptop> ?
[04:22] <Andy7> nah, I don't need one methinks
[04:22] <Andy7> I was plannin to do clean xp install
[04:23] <Andy7> and went for xubuntu :D
[04:23] <Andy7> soo, one ext3 partition and one swap partition is fine methinks?
[04:23] <vidd_laptop> if you are going to do a new windows install...you will want to do that first
[04:23] <vidd_laptop> yes
[04:24] <Andy7> mkay, do I need to write something in the field that says mount point
[04:24] <vidd_laptop> nope
[04:25] <vidd_laptop> not unless you are making extra partitions
[04:27] <Beowulf> Later you'll have to edit some grub .list file to include the option to boot to win in the grub boot menu, though.
[04:28] <vidd_laptop> Beowulf, no...that will be done for him
[04:28] <Beowulf> Wasn't for me.
[04:29] <Beowulf> I was/am on Win98SE and just followed the install as suggested as well..
[04:30] <vidd_laptop> so you didnt get the option to hit esc to enter grub when you booted?
[04:30] <vidd_laptop> did you use the live, alt or mini cd?
[04:30] <Beowulf> I did but no Win entry / option was there.
[04:30] <Beowulf> Desktop (live?) CD
[04:31] <Andy7> that might be cause from 98
[04:31] <Andy7> I'm running xp
[04:31] <Beowulf> And yesterday I noticed someone proclaiming a similar problem here..
[04:32] <Beowulf> Anyway it's no big deal and a matter of a minute to fix it when you get told what to do here.
[04:32] <Andy7> hrm, i'll see whether or not it work and come back whining for yer help *grins*
[04:48] <Andy7> erm, why is it that the install seems to have stuck when downloading language packs
[04:55] <kj0ttdeig> i'm having a little problems on getting xubuntu in 1280x720, any good ideas?
[04:56] <vidd_laptop> Andy7, you using the alt or live cd?
[04:57] <Andy7> live
[04:58] <vidd_laptop> Andy7, the launguage takes a long time because it has to refresh and reload the font files each time it installs a language
[04:59] <Andy7> oki
[04:59] <vidd_laptop> if you were using the alt cd, you could have hit [ctrl] [alt] [f1]  and see that it is acually doing something
[05:08] <Andy7> rightoo, almost done
[05:16] <Andy7> okay, this is it, wish me luck :P
[05:33] <Andy7> helppp
[05:33] <Andy7> grub throws error 18 at my face
[05:46] <vidd_laptop> what does it say?
[05:48] <Andy7> Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOSThis error is returned when a read is attempted at a linear block address beyond the end of the BIOS translated area. This generally happens if your disk is larger than the BIOS can handle (512MB for (E)IDE disks on older machines or larger than 8GB in general).
[05:48] <grazie> Andy7: never had to deal with, but I think the usual work a
[05:49] <grazie> Andy7: never had to deal with, but I think the usual work around is  to create a /boot partition at the start of the disk
[05:49] <Andy7> aye, I spose I cant do it anymore-
[05:50] <Andy7> or can I
[05:51] <grazie> you probably can but it may be worth the time/effort
[05:51] <grazie> may not*
[05:52] <Andy7> *sigjs*
[05:52] <Andy7> sighs that is
[05:53] <grazie> it's all useful experience :)
[05:53] <vidd_laptop> so you going to re-run the live cd and try again?
[05:54] <Andy7> try what again
[05:54] <Andy7> Im stuckk
[05:54] <Andy7> and on with the live cd as the grub wont let me boot
[05:54] <vidd_laptop> re-run the install program and this time add a /boot directory when you set up the partitions
[05:55] <Andy7> Ill try
[05:55] <vidd_laptop> grazie, how big does the /boot directory need to be?
[05:55] <iqag> Sorry for coming late. Not sure exactly what you're doing, but your BIOS may have a setting which needs changing.
[05:55] <vidd_laptop> Andy7, try that first....
[05:56] <iqag> The current install may be perfectly bootable. No need to redo.
[05:56] <vidd_laptop> ty iqag
[05:56] <Andy7> okie, tell me what to search for
[05:56] <iqag> I've run into this 3 times on 1 machine
[05:56] <iqag> But each BIOS has different names
[05:56] <Andy7> *nods*
[05:57] <vidd_laptop> see if there is something about "large disks"
[05:57] <iqag> Look in the BIOS settings for an option relating to Drive Geometry
[05:57] <Andy7> that would be under the hd section spose
[05:57] <vidd_laptop> should be
[05:57] <Andy7> and that should be turned on spose
[05:57] <Andy7> brb
[05:57] <grazie> Andy7: You've got 3 choices. 1. Check out want iqag says. 2. try to move stuff around to create a /boot partition 3. Install both xp and xubuntu again, but create a 100mb ext2 /boot parition first
[05:57] <vidd_laptop> what sections you have?
[05:58] <Andy7> Ill check the bios
[06:16] <Andy7> bacj
[06:16] <Andy7> didnt get it working :S
[06:17] <Andy7> sooo, now I'm off the xubuntu again, ran the xp disc and deleted linux partitions, now, can I get this installed nicely with dualboot and how
[06:21] <vidd_laptop> Andy7, i dont understand how you have a system that can run xp, and not handle the default grub boot sector =\
[06:21] <Andy7> me neither *cries*
[06:21] <vidd_laptop> but these things happen....
[06:22] <vidd_laptop> is this a laptop or a desktop?
[06:23] <Andy7> desktop
[06:23] <vidd_laptop> and what is it...so if i see it at a yard sale...i can leave it there
[06:24] <Andy7> lol
[06:26] <Andy7> maybe it was that tinkering with the partitions that caused my problem,
[06:26] <vidd_laptop> no...tinferingwith the partitions might mess up windows...but not grub
[06:27] <Andy7> well if i understood the error message correctly the /boot part was in wrong place and that was my fault
[06:28] <vidd_laptop> no...the /boot was too big for your motherboard to read...and that is the maker's fault
[06:41] <grazie> vidd_laptop: the problem is the location of the boot loader on the disk. It needs be at the beginning of the disk, because the bios can only see a boot loader in the first x cylanders of the disk. I think x=1024 usually, but don't quote me. It's why Andy7 needs to create /boot at the start of the disk before installing xp or he's got to start moving stuff around :(
[06:42] <grazie> vidd_laptop: if he's already installed xp, he could shrink it with gparted I suppose
[07:13] <vidd_laptop> *wave* maxamillion
[07:13] <maxamillion> hi hi
[07:13] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: how's the channel been today?
[07:14] <vidd_laptop> soso i guess
[07:14] <maxamillion> meh, better then bad i assume
[07:15] <vidd_laptop> forsome reason, no-one seams to want to publish them
[07:16] <neuro_damage> does xubuntu prompt you for a root password?
[07:16] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: what's the path to the config you need?
[07:16] <neuro_damage> because my friend who si trying it out, says that's not the case
[07:16] <neuro_damage> lol
[07:16] <maxamillion> neuro_damage: no, the root account is disabled by default
[07:17] <neuro_damage> really? so how do you run apt-get install and stuff?
[07:17] <maxamillion> neuro_damage: the first user account you create is given sudo privilages
[07:17] <neuro_damage> i don't use xubuntu so i don't know what you guys have done and what's going on
[07:17] <vidd_laptop> neuro_damage, you user sudo
[07:17] <maxamillion> !sudo | neuro_damage
[07:17] <ubotu> neuro_damage: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[07:17] <neuro_damage> yeah i mean i understand linux I have been using it forever
[07:17] <neuro_damage> so he has to sudo -s
[07:17] <neuro_damage> and that will put him into root without typing a password hten?
[07:18] <vidd_laptop> neuro_damage, no....
[07:18] <feliciano> hi... How Can I get black borders for clearlooks??
[07:18] <maxamillion> neuro_damage: well he doesn't even need to go root just do "sudo apt-get install <whatever>" and it will ask him for his password and he goes on with life
[07:18] <maxamillion> feliciano: have you checked xfce-look.org?
[07:19] <neuro_damage> maxamillion: and that password is hte same as his username?
[07:19] <feliciano> yep.. but I dont need a new themes... I just want to change the blue color for black
[07:19] <neuro_damage> regular username password?
[07:19] <maxamillion> neuro_damage: yup
[07:19] <feliciano> maxamillion, yep.. but I dont need a new themes... I just want to change the blue color for black
[07:19] <neuro_damage> that's an interesting distro lol
[07:19] <vidd_laptop> neuro_damage, if he wants to use the root account, he has to enable it first...then use su root to switch to it...and su [username]  to get out
[07:19] <neuro_damage> does ubuntu do the same thing
[07:19] <vidd_laptop> neuro_damage, yes
[07:19] <neuro_damage> how has it been disabled?
[07:20] <vidd_laptop> all the (*)buntu's do
[07:20] <maxamillion> neuro_damage: and only the first account given is sudo privilages by default, but you can add other accounts as "sudoers" and they are also given privilages
[07:20] <neuro_damage> oh ok
[07:20] <neuro_damage> interesting, learning about the *buntus
[07:20] <maxamillion> neuro_damage: yes, xubuntu just inherited it from ubuntu
[07:20] <vidd_laptop> its "safer" imo
[07:21] <neuro_damage> yeah it sounds like it
[07:21] <neuro_damage> but sudo can be dangerous
[07:21] <neuro_damage> so can su
[07:21] <neuro_damage> but whatev, taht's straight just need to help this kid out I guess
[07:21] <vidd_laptop> lol...that is why su is disabled by default
[07:21] <feliciano> maxamillion, you dont know how get it??
[07:21] <feliciano> maxamillion, if I take some themes from xfce-look it change all, And I dont need it
[07:21] <maxamillion> neuro_damage: its actually a security concept ubuntu picked up off of Mac OS X, you replace a root user with an administrative user ... its safer by design
[07:21] <vidd_laptop> neuro_damage, you can always send HIM here...we would be happy to help him
[07:22] <neuro_damage> oh he's a def newb...let's leave irc for after he figures out the basics lol
[07:22] <neuro_damage> course I'll make him use xchat instead of something like bitchX or irssi lol
[07:22] <maxamillion> feliciano: i'm not really sure
[07:24] <neuro_damage> vidd_laptop: i forget but to search for packages you do an apt-cache search something? right?
[07:25] <vidd_laptop> apt-cache [package]
[07:25] <neuro_damage> and that will search for you then
[07:25] <neuro_damage> ok, thanks
[07:25] <maxamillion> neuro_damage: apt-cache search, apt-get search, aptitude search .... they all work
[07:26] <neuro_damage> ok cheers, i'm telling him to install xchat now, it' stime for an IRC tutorial, i have converted so many of my friends, it's great
[07:26] <neuro_damage> but i use gentoo, openbsd & freebsd
[07:26] <maxamillion> neuro_damage: awesome! glad to hear people are spreading "the word"
[07:26] <neuro_damage> oh hell yeah, the word is nothing, the software is REALLY something though
[07:27] <neuro_damage> i love the control i've always had
[07:27] <neuro_damage> and i learned kernel programming senior year of highschool and been doing it all thorugh college
[07:27] <maxamillion> neuro_damage: good choice of distro, gentoo is solid ... i'm just more of a binary fan, i run debian+xfce on my home machine and xubuntu on my laptop
[07:27] <neuro_damage> and it's fun to be able to pick up devices and program them into the kernel or as modules
[07:27] <neuro_damage> maxamillion: yeah I program so that's why I use those distros because they include all the source and or have them available, including hteir libraries and stuff
[07:28] <neuro_damage> that way if something is broken i can fix it right quick
[07:28] <neuro_damage> plus it's tight having your screen always compiling :)
[07:28] <neuro_damage> not good for the heat in the room or my A/C bill but still fun to see
[07:28] <maxamillion> neuro_damage: i code too, there are deb-src packages that have all the source code for the binary package
[07:28] <neuro_damage> oh yeah deb is nice
[07:28] <maxamillion> lol
[07:29] <neuro_damage> the only didstro on my shit list is redhat
[07:29] <maxamillion> your computer becomes a heating unit
[07:29] <neuro_damage> oh yeah, and i live in florida, so that takes care of me :P
[07:29] <neuro_damage> wish i still lived in england like i used to put my feet on the dual xeon computer, ahhhhh
[07:29] <maxamillion> neuro_damage: please watch the cursing, we try to keep it clean here for political reasons
[07:29] <neuro_damage> of course
[07:29] <maxamillion> neuro_damage: why redhat?... redhat was my first distro back in late 1999
[07:30] <neuro_damage> yeah now they're getting a little political wiht packages and things, they didn't include things like enlightenment for silly reasons and that's kind of annoying considering it was my primary wm
[07:30] <vidd_laptop> ah...finally....the old lady is ready to fire M$!!!!!
[07:30] <maxamillion> neuro_damage: i very shortly after that switched to debian and haven't turned back, but i had a redhat install on a hard drive somewhere up until they went RHEL
[07:30] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: kudos
[07:30] <neuro_damage> yeah redhat back in the day was alright
[07:30] <neuro_damage> like RH 5.0 or somethign silly like that
[07:31] <neuro_damage> and then i switched to mandrake -> SuSE -> deb -> gentoo
[07:31] <neuro_damage> and then i've stuck with gentoo
[07:31] <neuro_damage> then tried out teh bsds
[07:31] <vidd_laptop> hrm....
[07:31] <vidd_laptop> does myspace chat work with gaim?
[07:31] <neuro_damage> and just finished writing a patch for the microsoft presenter mouse for obsd & fbsd
[07:31] <maxamillion> neuro_damage: yeah, i play with freebsd from time to time... its nice
[07:31] <neuro_damage> vidd_laptop: oh no you like myspace?
[07:31] <vidd_laptop> no...SHE does
[07:31] <neuro_damage> maxamillion: yeah but the bsds are lacking on the kernel level
[07:31] <neuro_damage> vidd_laptop: oh true
[07:32] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: no clue, it might just be a jabber server
[07:32] <vidd_laptop> hrm...i need to do some research.....
[07:32] <neuro_damage> vidd_laptop: yeah if it's jabber then you're good
[07:32] <maxamillion> neuro_damage: true, but i think that's because linux gets most of the attention from the open source kernel hackers
[07:33] <maxamillion> neuro_damage: have you tried Fedora 7? ... i heard good things, i'm going to download it while i am at work today and try it out
[07:33] <neuro_damage> yeah once I switched to package mangement where compilation is involved i get kind of annoyed with bins :)
[07:33] <maxamillion> lol
[07:33] <neuro_damage> example if you wanna compile CVS stuff
[07:34] <neuro_damage> which I check out a lot of that for packages cause I like bleeding edge and committing bugs
[07:34] <maxamillion> i just don't have the patience to compile everything
[07:34] <neuro_damage> kind of sucks for that, beucase then you have to download every lib via cvs and compile and always keep up to date that way
[07:34] <neuro_damage> maxamillion: yeah that could get annoying
[07:34] <neuro_damage> i have four boxes with distcc, to save some of the time
[07:35] <maxamillion> neuro_damage: nice! ... i technically only have 1 box, but i have this laptop from work and a machine on my desk at work
[07:35] <neuro_damage> yeah i'm a useless lunatic when it comes to buying machines and things, i have five monitors 6 boxes total lol including the lappys
[07:37] <maxamillion> neuro_damage: i wish i had more computers, just can't afford them ... i'm still a college student
[07:40] <maxamillion> grazie: well, i need atleast one more as a powerpc box, i also want a low voltage mediocre performance box for a home server ..... yeah, add those to my current setup and i would be happy
[07:40] <neuro_damage> maxamillion: me too
[07:41] <neuro_damage> maxamillion: doesn't your school have a surplus auctoin of any kind you can get computers cheap that way
[07:41] <maxamillion> neuro_damage: no, i go to a state university and i think their old computers go to local grade schools
[07:42] <grazie> hey maxamillion, do many foks in the usa do their own home network cabling? Not many in the uk do
[07:42] <vidd_laptop> really?
[07:42] <grazie> everyone gets wifi
[07:43] <maxamillion> grazie: not really, i used to make extra money running cable through people's homes with a friend .... a decent amount of home builders are building houses that come wired with cat6
[07:43] <vidd_laptop> i suppose ppl that WANT to wire thier house with network cables could hire an electrician....
[07:43] <maxamillion> grazie: yeah ... wifi isn't an entirely bad way to go accept for the latency and the security
[07:44] <vidd_laptop> but most ppl just use wireless here
[07:44] <grazie> ...and the SPEED :)
[07:44] <maxamillion> grazie: well yeah, but LAN speed will always bottleneck at the isp net connection
[07:45] <Pumpernickel> Wiring is easy.  Just do this: http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200705/server_room.jpg
[07:46] <maxamillion> LOL
[07:46] <grazie> Pumpernickel: exactly not what I want
[07:48] <maxamillion> grazie: well what me and my friend used to do is we would actually go into people's houses and run cable through the walls and put net ports next to their phone plugins in the walls ... it worked rather well
[07:49] <grazie> maxamillion: I imagine running cable any old way is easy enough, but doing it neatly would be not so easy?
[07:50] <maxamillion> grazie: well it doesn't have to look pretty when its in the wall
[07:50] <vidd_laptop> omg...where the heck do you find gaim's web site???
[07:50] <vidd_laptop> !gaim
[07:50] <ubotu> Instant Messenger Clients: Gaim (GNOME, http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Kopete (KDE), both supporting MSN, Jabber, AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and IRC.
[07:51] <grazie> maxamillion: what kind of walls are you talking about?
[07:51] <maxamillion> grazie: the walls in people's houses
[07:51] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: www.pidgin.im
[07:51] <vidd_laptop> ty
[07:51] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: atleast i think thats where their site moved to
[07:51] <grazie> maxamillion: lol...I'm meant brick, concrete, stud, etc?
[07:51] <maxamillion> ha!, i win
[07:52] <maxamillion> grazie: oh, drywall
[07:52] <grazie> ok...stud(uk)=drywall(usa)...I think
[07:53] <grazie> maxamillion: not so easy for brick and concrete walls?
[07:57] <vidd_laptop> i dont suppose anyone knows how to use gaim/pidgin to connect to myspace?
[07:59] <grazie> vidd_laptop: you suppose right :)
[08:05] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: happy?
[08:07] <nixternal> heh
[08:16] <Jester45> anyone know why emerald doesnt work with compiz completly
[08:16] <Jester45> all i have is the corners of the windows being decorated but when i try to drag where the rest should be, it moves the window
[08:17] <prestosd> hello!
[08:17] <prestosd> :D
[08:18] <prestosd> how do I change my color bit depth in xfce?
[08:19] <prestosd> is anyone here?
[08:20] <vidd_laptop> prestosd, you can edit you xorg.config file
[08:20] <prestosd> ah
[08:20] <prestosd> but it works fine in gnome and kde
[08:20] <prestosd> but not xfce
[08:20] <prestosd> the color i mean
[08:44] <[Lightning] > hi, anybody have an ideea why the system suddently stopped accepting connections even from localhost but after a configuration with xnetcardconfig it would start acceptiong internet access until restart ?
[08:51] <vidd_laptop> [Lightning] , so when you re-booted, the issue returned?
[08:56] <[Lightning] > yes
[08:56] <[Lightning] > verry strange
[08:56] <vidd_laptop> what kind of card you using? and is it wired or wireless?
[08:56] <[Lightning] > any other way to change configurations doesn't have any effect
[08:56] <[Lightning] > wired
[08:56] <[Lightning] > nvidia on board
[08:57] <[Lightning] > me nither until now
[08:57] <[Lightning] > neither*
[08:57] <[Lightning] > it was the only way it worked to be able to ask someone :)
[08:57] <vidd_laptop> did you have to install that? network-admin does not help any?
[08:58] <[Lightning] > no admins to ask
[08:58] <vidd_laptop> no...the app "network-admin"
[08:58] <[Lightning] > oww sorry
[08:58] <vidd_laptop> the networking tool that comes with xubuntu by default
[08:59] <[Lightning] > doesn't work
[08:59] <vidd_laptop> no problem
[08:59] <[Lightning] > doesn't do anything in thi state
[08:59] <[Lightning] > this*
[08:59] <[Lightning] > i can change configuration but no effect
[09:00] <vidd_laptop> do you have a static ip or a dhcp ip? and do you connect to a router, or directly to the modem? (or is this dial-up?)
[09:00] <[Lightning] > static
[09:00] <[Lightning] > it worked fine until today
[09:01] <vidd_laptop> do you go through a router?
[09:01] <[Lightning] > i am currently using the same network card but after restart nothing works
[09:01] <[Lightning] > no routers
[09:01] <vidd_laptop> when you have this issue, are you able to ping your modem?
[09:02] <[Lightning] > and apparently i cannot open any external ports either but at least to stabilize it would be enough
[09:02] <[Lightning] > ping myself ?
[09:02] <[Lightning] > i have no modems
[09:02] <vidd_laptop> no...ping the modem
[09:02] <vidd_laptop> then how do you connect to the internet?
[09:03] <[Lightning] > there is no modem, connection is direct to isp through ethernet cable
[09:03] <[Lightning] > utp cable directly
[09:03] <vidd_laptop> your in the same building as your ISP?
[09:03] <[Lightning] > no but verry close, they have their own equipment
[09:04] <vidd_laptop> then SOMEWHERE in your building is a modem
[09:04] <[Lightning] > fiber optic modems wich work on their own
[09:04] <[Lightning] > yes there is but i haven't seen any
[09:04] <[Lightning] > hmmz
[09:05] <vidd_laptop> sounds to me like an ISP issue.....
[09:05] <[Lightning] > i can ping them
[09:06] <[Lightning] > well i thought it's an isp issue but i cannot connect to localhost
[09:06] <vidd_laptop> you can ping them when you cannot connect to the internet?
[09:06] <[Lightning] > unable to connect to anything even on <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:06] <vidd_laptop> hrm...then it might be time to replace the network card
[09:06] <[Lightning] > i can ping the gateway ip
[09:07] <vidd_laptop> then you have something misconfigured....'
[09:07] <[Lightning] > localhost connections are independant of the card no ?
[09:07] <[Lightning] > that's probably it, bu how to reconfigure ?
[09:10] <vidd_laptop> so what happens if you ping <IP_ADDRESS>?
[09:11] <[Lightning] > PING <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[09:11] <[Lightning] > 64 bytes from <IP_ADDRESS>: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=0.768 ms
[09:11] <[Lightning] > 64 bytes from <IP_ADDRESS>: icmp_seq=2 ttl=255 time=0.559 ms
[09:11] <[Lightning] > <IP_ADDRESS> is waiting still
[09:12] <[Lightning] > apparently hanging
[09:13] <[Lightning] > PING <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[09:13] <[Lightning] > --- <IP_ADDRESS> ping statistics ---
[09:13] <[Lightning] > 119 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 118051ms
[09:15] <vidd_laptop> ok...so your /etc/hosts file is corrupt....
[09:16] <[Lightning] > ouch
[09:16] <vidd_laptop> !paste
[09:16] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:16] <[Lightning] > any ideeas ?
[09:17] <vidd_laptop> it should look something like: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24466/
[09:18] <vidd_laptop> if something corrupts that file...id be looking for rootkits....
[09:19] <vidd_laptop> because that is a root level file
[09:19] <vidd_laptop> ...unless you changed, moved, or deleted it
[09:20] <[Lightning] > i pasted mine, it's similar
[09:20] <[Lightning] > file is there
[09:20] <vidd_laptop> i need the link
[09:20] <[Lightning] > ifconfig doesn't show lo interface
[09:20] <vidd_laptop> that is a BAD thing
[09:21] <vidd_laptop> im still waiting for the link in pastebin
[09:21] <[Lightning] > http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24469/
[09:24] <vidd_laptop> ah...ok
[09:24] <vidd_laptop> so the issue is not the hosts file
[09:26] <vidd_laptop> this IS a local issue....and not your ISP's
[09:26] <[Lightning] > i wouldn't be talking to you if it was an isp issue cause i couldn't ...
[09:26] <vidd_laptop> but how to fix.....
[09:26] <[Lightning] > do you think vmware server could do this ?
[09:27] <[Lightning] > i can't think of another app wich modifies netowork connections
[09:27] <vidd_laptop> ....its possible i guess....i never touched vmware
[09:28] <vidd_laptop> !lo
[09:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:30] <[Lightning] > A problem occurred in a Python script. Here is the sequence of function calls leading up to the error, in the order they occurred.
[09:30] <[Lightning] > the website has a problem
[09:30] <vidd_laptop> [Lightning] , pastebin the error log
[09:31] <[Lightning] > i meant the link you gave me
[09:31] <[Lightning] > after searching for lo
[09:33] <vidd_laptop> [Lightning] , im out of ideas....
[09:34] <vidd_laptop> i have no idea how to fix that besides a reinstall
[09:34] <[Lightning] > any other places to ask or read ?
[09:34] <[Lightning] > reinstall is not in my plans, too much trouble
[09:35] <vidd_laptop> heh...methinks you would spend more time searching google then it would take to back-up and re-nstall
[09:36] <vidd_laptop> but i dont know where else to point ya
[09:36] <[Lightning] > hmmz
[09:37] <[Lightning] > i never backed up my system, is there any way to at least save my packages list and reinstall them automatically
[09:39] <vidd_laptop> not that i know of
[09:39] <TheSheep> dpkg -l
[09:40] <[Lightning] > hmmz seen an option in synaptic
[09:40] <[Lightning] > export script
[09:40] <vidd_laptop> TheSheep, you know what may have caused his issue and how to fix without re-install?
[09:48] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: what issue?
[09:48] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: I just came
[09:49] <vidd_laptop> for some reasson he cant ping <IP_ADDRESS> and lo is not in his ifconfig
[09:49] <TheSheep> well, why won't he add it?
[09:50] <vidd_laptop> i imagine cuzz we dont know how
[09:50] <TheSheep> looks like he removed initializing the loopback interface from his startup scripts
[09:50] <vidd_laptop> [Lightning] , you still here?
[09:50] <TheSheep> [Lightning] : try installing and running sysv-rc-conf and putting an X in the last colum by the 'loopback' entry
[09:51] <[Lightning] > yes
[09:51] <[Lightning] > i didin't remove anything but some other app could have
[09:52] <vidd_laptop> [Lightning] , TheSheep has some suggestions to avoid a re-install
[09:52] <biggz> hey, anyone know how to change the default window and font colour to something other than grey on grey?
[09:52] <TheSheep> [Lightning] : you might look into dmesg to see if there are some errors preventing bringing up loopback
[09:52] <biggz> I've messed around with themes and fonts to no avail
[09:52] <[Lightning] > nothing in the networking area worked but after configuring with xnetcardconfig i was able to use the internet but nothing else works and after restart it fails
[09:53] <[Lightning] > will try
[09:53] <[Lightning] > thanks
[09:53] <TheSheep> biggz: it'sin the gtk2 theme
[09:54] <biggz> I'm a serious noob at this, this is my first install, where's the gtk2 theme?
[10:00] <biggz> was that a stupid question?
[10:04] <[Lightning] > sysv-rc-conf has an X in the last column named S
[10:05] <[Lightning] > wich probably means load with system or something
[10:06] <[Lightning] > attempting a restart
[10:37] <paddythechump> hi
[10:37] <paddythechump> can someone tell me the difference between xubuntu and kubuntu>
[10:37] <aanderse> xubuntu uses xfce, and kubuntu use kde
[10:37] <paddythechump> ?
[10:38] <paddythechump> oh
[10:38] <paddythechump> so... which would you reccommend for a beginner to linux
[10:38] <maxamillion> paddythechump: xubuntu uses xfce and applications that are generally gtk+ only, and kubuntu uses kde along with many kde/qt applications
[10:38] <aanderse> are you coming from mac, windows, or something unixy?
[10:38] <paddythechump> Windows
[10:38] <aanderse> yeah kde is pretty windows like, some people say
[10:39] <maxamillion> paddythechump: kubuntu will feel the most comfortable, its got a windows "feel" to it
[10:39] <SatanGolga> whats the difference between alternate and desktop?
[10:39] <paddythechump> I've used ubuntu a bit, too, but nothing really in depth.
[10:39] <TheSheep> SatanGolga: alternate has text-mode instalelr only, normal is a livecd with a graphical installer
[10:40] <paddythechump> so is it just the environment that is different?
[10:40] <SatanGolga> TheSheep: ok, thanks
[10:40] <maxamillion> SatanGolga: desktop boots to a liveCD with a fully functional "live" desktop session and allows you to double click an icon for a graphical installation, the alternate cd image just does the "classic" text based installer (there are some technical differences other than that, but those are mainly the two differences you need to concern yourself with)
[10:40] <maxamillion> me and my need to explain things in detail .... :/
[10:40] <SatanGolga> i thank thee :)
[10:41] <maxamillion> SatanGolga: anytime :)
[10:41] <paddythechump> can the xubuntu installer partition my harddrive if I wish to dual boot? or do I need to do that before hand?
[10:41] <Pumpernickel> paddythechump: Different default applications, too.
[10:41] <paddythechump> oh ok
[10:42] <Pumpernickel> It can do the partitioning.  Watch out for bug 107259, though.
[10:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107259 in ubiquity "Xubuntu partitioning can fail because ubiquity does not prevent thunar from automounting new partitions" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107259
[10:44] <paddythechump> can someone explain that in dumbass terms?
[10:44] <Pumpernickel> Ubiquity is the livecd installation tool.  Thunar is the filebrowser.
[10:45] <paddythechump> so should i just giv'er and dual boot?
[10:45] <aanderse> you can run the livecd for a bit to get a feel for it
[10:45] <aanderse> by running the livecd you don't have to install anything
[10:45] <Pumpernickel> Thunar, by default, will automount available drives for you, which can mess up partitioning where those drives are being modified.
[10:45] <paddythechump> oh ok
[10:45] <aanderse> but you cal play around with the desktop and find out if you like it without committing to installing anything
[10:45] <paddythechump> ah ok
[10:46] <paddythechump>  thanks guys
[10:46] <Pumpernickel> np
[11:18] <Deviad> Hello. should I enable CONFIG_SYS_DEPRECATED in Xubuntu 7.04?
[11:19] <Deviad> That's a kernel option
[11:20] <crimsun> not sure why you wouldn't.
[11:20] <crimsun> it's not marked obsoleted
[11:20] <crimsun> and we enable it in the Ubuntu config
[11:22] <Deviad> crimsun, it says it is not necessary if you have a distro that was released after 2006
[11:22] <Deviad> and it suggests you not to use that
[11:22] <Deviad> I'm compiling 2.6.20.something
[11:22] <crimsun> Deviad: not all driver authors keep up with that
[11:23] <Deviad> crimsun, OK, I'll enable that
[11:23] <Deviad> What about timer frequency?
[11:23] <crimsun> what about it?
[11:24] <Deviad> crimsun, it is in firmware drivers section, I have a MBP
[11:25] <crimsun> I'm not sure why you're asking.
[11:25] <crimsun> If you're not sure, accept the default.
[11:47] <BFTD> I'm using Audacity and it picks up the sound but its really quite
[11:48] <BFTD> how do i turn up the microphone input volume?
[11:48] <Jester45> amixer
[12:16] <Jester45> kinda quiet
[12:16] <maxamillion> just a tad
[12:18] <TheSheep> snort