[00:07] <Guest28> Hello I want to install something heavy but I don't want to pollute the global workspace what is the best way to create some kind of virtual thin layer so that I can expriment freely without having applications installed as root
[00:09] <gry> Guest28: the two options that i know of are chroot or a vm
[00:12] <tekisui> hello
[00:13] <tekisui> since my update from 18.04 to 20 and beyond
[00:13] <tekisui> nvidia doesn´t remember the screen setting anymore when i try to lower it.
[00:15] <jhutchins> tekisui: Which release are you actually on now?
[00:16] <tekisui> 22.04.2
[00:16] <tekisui> lubuntu
[00:16] <tekisui> 20 was totally broke
[00:16] <tekisui> 18 was good but i red it is oing to be out of service soon..
[00:16] <jhutchins> tekisui: Right.
[00:17] <tekisui> and all these snaps seem to break the system too ?
[00:17] <tekisui> i think ubuntu just introduced it..
[00:17] <jhutchins> tekisui: Which nvidia driver are you using?
[00:17] <tekisui> it´s a pretty old pc
[00:18] <tekisui> i got an idea i will try sudo the nvidia settings but i have to fill in the size manually
[00:18] <tekisui> nvidia driver 390
[00:18] <tekisui> (gf108-gforce gt350)
[00:20] <tekisui> am scared i broke it a few times before
[00:20] <tekisui> is there a way to acces the settings ?
[00:20] <tekisui> in grub or something ?
[00:20] <jhutchins> tekisui: Bacups?
[00:20] <tekisui> mostly i restart lubuntu 14 from an usb stick
[00:20] <jhutchins> tekisui: Yeah, you can edit the files if you mount the main drive.
[00:21] <tekisui> ok that´s a start
[00:21] <tekisui> just sudo gedit ?
[00:21] <jhutchins> tekisui: Yeah, if you have it mounted.
[00:22] <tekisui> ok..
[00:22] <jhutchins> tekisui: You're really outside my knowledge with this, I just thought I'd get some of the necessary info out here.
[00:22] <tekisui> will 18 be in service for another long time ?
[00:22] <tekisui> ok..
[00:22] <tekisui> merci
[00:22] <jhutchins> tekisui: I think 18 goes out of support in a month.
[00:22] <tekisui> oh ok
[00:23] <tekisui> red you can have a few more years email suport or something
[00:23] <tekisui> didn´t quite understood it
[00:24] <tekisui> Extended Security Maintenance (ESM)*
[00:24] <tekisui> says it should last untill 2028
[00:24] <tekisui> ah well this works so far
[00:32] <Bashing-om> tekisui: "gt350" >> 340 version driver == Nvidia no longer offers support: http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3142/~/support-timeframes-for-unix-legacy-gpu-releases // and last release that ubuntu supported is 20.04: https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa .
[00:32] <tomreyn> tekisui: *l*ubuntu 18.04 has been out of support for 2 years
[00:32] <tomreyn> ubuntu 18.04 is out of support now (unless ESM)
[00:32] <tekisui> ah..
[00:33] <tekisui> so it´s better to use xorg ?
[00:33] <tomreyn> due to what Bashing-om just posted, legacy nvidia graphics chipset, you'll probably need to use nouveau if you'll run current *ubuntu releases
[00:33] <tomreyn> !nvidia
[00:34] <tomreyn> you're case A there
[00:35] <tekisui> ah with xorg i need to tune ¨tearfree again¨
[00:35] <tekisui> i hope it´s possible
[00:36] <tomreyn> i would assume xorg is the better option with nvidia *proprietary* drivers still, not sure about nouveau (likely, too).
[00:37] <tomreyn> i should say "drivers by nvidia corporations" (both thier proprietary and the 'open' drivers)
[00:37] <tekisui> ok..
[00:39] <tekisui> merci
[00:39] <tekisui> have a good day
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[04:23] <Macer> hi. can someone point me in the direction as to why nautilus wouldn't have any allowed protocols for connecting to network drives?
[04:23] <Macer> the help bubble doesn't show any and typing smb:// just gives me a red address and a connect button that is grayed out
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> !samba | Macer
[08:56] <LuckyMan> will 24.04 be an LTS?
[08:56] <lotuspsychje> LuckyMan: yes
[08:57] <LuckyMan> :-)
[09:46] <skarp> where is latest nvidia drivers???
[09:48] <Liowenex> Dead
[09:49] <Liowenex> skarp, sudo apt-get install nvidia-525-dkms
[09:51] <skarp> Liowenex thanks will try
[09:51] <Liowenex> :)
[09:51] <skarp> E: Unable to locate package nvidia-525-dkms
[09:52] <Liowenex> Have you tried using the additional drivers page in Software sources?
[09:54] <skarp> yes using nvidia driver version on system 525.105.17 on nvidia site 525.116.03
[09:55] <Liowenex> Then you don't need a new one, do you?
[09:56] <skarp> I want 525.116.03
[09:56] <skarp> latest
[09:57] <Liowenex> Tough.
[09:57] <Liowenex> Linux doesn't get as much love as Windows from NVIDIA.
[09:57] <Liowenex> You'll have to wait.
[09:58] <Liowenex> It's a small update, it'll get added to the repositories on Ubuntu eventually.
[09:59] <skarp> I just feel little bit mislead when i installed said latest nvidia drivers :)
[09:59] <skarp> Liowenex I see 240hz is missing
[10:00] <Liowenex> Your eyes literally can't even see that!!!
[10:01] <skarp> in general nvidia and linux is pain :)
[10:01] <Liowenex> You're wrong, Linux is excellent, and unless you have another question you should move this to #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:01] <skarp> cannot agree on windows animation more fluid
[10:02] <EriC^^> skarp: sometimes nvidia has the latest drivers from their website
[10:02] <Liowenex> The first mistake people like you make is that you expect Linux to work and behave exactly like Windows, exactly the way you want it to, right out of the box
[10:02] <Liowenex> The world doesn't work that way
[10:02] <skarp> linux excellent if hardware fully supported if not just annoying
[11:10] <tekisui> hello
[11:10] <tekisui> i have lubuntu 22.04 with an nvidia video card
[11:10] <tekisui> can i configure the ¨xorg¨ window for tearfree somehow ?
[11:15] <tekisui> or manual set up tearfree for the nvidia driver ?
[11:15] <tarzeau> tekisui: which nvidia card? which driver version?
[11:15] <tekisui> jesus i been struggling with this for years now
[11:16] <tekisui> hello tarzeau
[11:16] <tekisui> geforce gt530
[11:16] <tarzeau> tekisui: i googled, did you try this? https://www.makeuseof.com/fix-screen-tearing-on-linux/
[11:16] <tekisui> it´s a pretty old pc
[11:16] <tekisui> ok thanks i will try
[11:17] <tekisui> maybe i need to edit some xorg.conf again, but sometimes it breaks
[11:22] <tekisui> AT-SPI: Error retrieving accessibility bus address:
[11:22] <tekisui> i can ignore this message ?
[11:23] <ogra> unless you are handicapped and need any accessibility technology (AT) ...
[11:23] <tekisui> ahh ok..
[11:23] <tekisui> thanks
[11:25] <tekisui> goodday
[11:34] <tykling> I have a 22.04 server which is uptodate with the latest packages as of right now, I want to be able to recreate a server just like it in the future, with the exact same versions. Can I list and download all the installed packages and use that to install the new server?
[11:42] <tarzeau> tykling: not really, but you could clone the machine
[11:42] <tarzeau> tykling: or just reinstall the same packages
[11:42] <tykling> hah :) clone the machine, good one
[11:42] <tarzeau> the disk
[11:43] <tykling> yeah, no
[11:43] <tarzeau> yes
[11:43] <tykling> yes that is not what I am looking for
[11:43] <tykling> I need apt to tell me which versions are installed in a format I can then use to install the same versions again
[11:43] <tarzeau> i often use echo $(dpkg -l |grep ^ii |awk '{print $2}')
[11:44] <tarzeau> you get the same versions automatically if you turn off phased updates, and use a released version of ubuntu lts
[11:44] <tarzeau> unless, well if you don't upgrade the machine for security updates?
[11:45] <tykling> phased updates, I'll need to look up what that is
[11:45] <ravage> yep. the version should always be the latest available anyway
[11:45] <tykling> I was just going to disable all the apt sources and use a local directory with debs as the repo
[11:46] <tarzeau> tykling: i've got a helper to get rid of it: https://github.com/alexmyczko/autoexec.bat/blob/master/config.sys/ubuntu-remove-phased-updates
[11:46] <ravage> and do clone the packages there is https://linuxprograms.wordpress.com/2010/05/12/dpkg-get-selections/ for example
[11:46] <tarzeau> so you want to run the machines offline or in a not-internet connected network?
[11:46] <ravage> and you can apply it again with set-selections
[11:47] <tykling> yes it is airgapped and for regulatory reasons (it is medtech stuff) we have to guarantee we can reproduce an identical server in the future (also in 5 or 10 years)
[11:47] <tykling> (yes, from an infosec perspective it is horrible, but this is how the medtech world works)
[11:47] <tarzeau> tykling: then you'd have to setup a mirror, create a snapshot of the packages. but even then. 5 years is a long time and the maximum for free security updates
[11:48] <tarzeau> 10 years is like - i don't get how people can stay that long on the same version of some software
[11:48] <tykling> that is ok, I dont get it either, but that doesn't change the task at hand :)
[11:48] <ravage> a clone of the harddrive still sounds much easier
[11:49] <tarzeau> i'd say have a look at apt download, or after install just don't run apt clean and take a copy of all downloaded debs and store them
[11:49] <tykling> it isn't just 1 server
[11:49] <tarzeau> it doesn't matter. you can clone a disk many times
[11:50] <tarzeau> dd is your friend, done that 20 years ago with solaris: http://www.aiei.ch/linux/ubercopy/
[11:50] <tykling> they will have different configuration, certificates, integrations to 3rd party systems, keys and all kinds of shit. disk cloning is not the answer, but thanks
[11:50] <tarzeau> we even had an ultrasparc 5 for only that
[11:50] <tykling> I wanted to use apt download but I need a list for it to download right?
[11:50] <tarzeau> and how is the configs managed? ansible? something else?
[11:50] <tarzeau> tykling: yes and you'll need be extra careful with dependencies :)
[11:51] <tykling> mostly ansible, which also installs all the packages which I need to ensure stay the same versions (including recursive deps)
[11:51] <tarzeau> there's also dpkg-repack but it'll not be identical, no this is an ugly hack for packages you don't have sources for
[11:51] <tarzeau> i'd take out the package install from your ansible away and separate it
[11:52] <tarzeau> not sure if ansible in 5 or 10 years will be able to read and apply your todays configuration files
[11:52] <alkisg> tykling: if you have your own apt repository with ONLY these versions, then you don't need to track the versions
[11:52] <tykling> alkisg: that is a good point!
[11:52] <alkisg> I.e. install using ubuntu-22, then update, then download all debs and put them in a repository. Then if you install any other server using ubuntu-22, add only your repository, and update, you're done
[11:53] <tarzeau> yeah maybe aptly or reprepro are helpful
[12:00] <akik> what's aptly for? https://www.aptly.info/about/ doesn't tell it
[12:13] <tomde> hey has anyone here used systemd for applying AmbientCapabilities to a service? I'm trying to run something and when I use AmbientCapabilities=CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE it's fine, but AmbientCapabilities=CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE, CAP_SYS_ADMIN provides a failure?
[12:51] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:08] <ravage> https://s3.eu-central-2.wasabisys.com/mastodonworld/media_attachments/files/110/310/314/535/191/808/original/7954c096f0b28990.jpg
[14:19] <Macer> well.. if i can figure out how to get gestures to work properly on this pinebook pro then the only caveat on it will be the lack of proper power management heh
[14:21] <Macer> adding the gestures daemon and the gnome extension doesn't seem to work
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> Macer: tweaking your system, try dconf-editor
[14:25] <arkanoid> since last update, ubuntu fails to play audio when resuming from sleep, and the only solution I've found is to close gnome session and reopen it, which makes suspension basically useless
[14:27] <arkanoid> I've tried switching audio output device (speaker/hdmi) but everything seems muted
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> check your dmesg arkanoid
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> and feel free to !paste it to the volunteers for debugging
[15:00] <bagatur> hello, I have ubuntu 22.04 running on a drive with multiple partitions, I would like to merge them but I am not sure if this will work:
[15:00] <bagatur> live boot, copy or dd everything to another drive, format disk and install ubuntu, copy or dd everthing back
[15:01] <bagatur> would this preserve all system files?
[15:01] <bagatur> or corrupt the new install
[15:07] <idmbe> bagatur: https://askubuntu.com/questions/66000/how-to-merge-partitions
[15:12]  * luna is watching the stream
[15:55] <deltreey> so, I thought "this is sweet, I can install brave as a snap, and keepassxc as a snap, then install the keepassxc-browser plugin and be all set...right? https://github.com/keepassxreboot/keepassxc/issues/5893  hmmmm....is this something that's in the plans or is there a workaround?
[15:55] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 5893 in keepassxreboot/keepassxc "Snap connect" [Closed]
[15:57] <oerheks> indeed an issue, browser snap and keeppassxc, firefox too
[16:00] <deltreey> I mean, I love that snaps are sandboxed...but docker is sandboxed and it can connect just fine
[16:04] <wontfix[m]> docker is not truly sandboxed by default
[16:05] <wontfix[m]> That is one reason the unikernel as a process fad started picking up steam in enterprise computing
[16:06] <jhutchins> bagatur: I don't think you want to use dd, it's an image copy program, and what you need is a file copy program liks rsync.  You need to preserve some extended attributes, and I'm not sure how you do that, but it's easy to find.
[16:07] <jhutchins> bagatur: You can do live merges and live partition resizing, but you should always have a backup anyway, and backup, repartition, restore is usally a lot faster.
[16:37] <bagatur> jhutchins: yes by copy I didn't mean cp only, could use rsync as well. My question was on preserving system-wide files like apt programs, configurations like grub config etc.
[16:43] <alkisg> bagatur: what kind of partitions do you have? (sudo lsblk -fe7; df -h ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:46] <jhutchins> bagatur: I strongly recommend rsync over cp.  rsync can preserve timestamps, extended attributes, and other essential information about the files.
[16:46] <jhutchins> bagatur: You might also look at Clonezilla - https://clonezilla.org/ - a dedicated cloning suie.
[16:49] <bagatur> alkisg: one for swap, ext4's for /, /home, /boot, /tmp and /var, lastly vfat for /boot/efi
[16:49] <bagatur> jhutchins: ty, I already use rsync for backups
[16:49] <alkisg> bagatur: the commands above would also mention their order and size, to see if it would be easier to merge them rather than re-create everything from scratch
[17:02] <bagatur> alkisg: https://termbin.com/yrl2
[17:07] <mayormccheese> Hello, my proprietary graphics driver for nvidea rtx 2070 no longer works and am trying to install the open drivers. I looked online and tried various commands, no no avail. The proprietary drivers are removed, so everything looks large and pixelated now
[17:11] <mayormccheese> The other options for drivers are greyed out in additional software
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> mayormccheese: your available drivers you can check with; ubuntu-drivers list
[17:13] <mayormccheese> lotuspsychje Am not sure what to select, or if I can select.
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> mayormccheese: did your last driver fail after a recent update?
[17:14] <mayormccheese> lotuspsychje It was proprietary, by nvidia, so they need to sort that stuff out
[17:15] <mayormccheese> Meanwhile, I would like to have something that works
[17:15] <mayormccheese> lotuspsychje I used the proprietary drivers for video editing, but cannot do that now
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> mayormccheese: did your last driver fail after a recent update?
[17:16] <mayormccheese> lotuspsychje Want open driver, please.
[17:16] <oerheks> open = nouveau
[17:16] <oerheks> yours need nvidia5xx
[17:17] <mayormccheese> If anyone can kindly guide me to install open drivers, I would be most grateful.
[17:19] <oerheks> what linux version are you on?
[17:20] <mayormccheese> oerheks 22.04
[17:20] <mayormccheese> .02
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> mayormccheese: big rtx cards best to use the nvidia driver(s) and login to xorg instead of wayland
[17:30] <mayormccheese> lotuspsychje Cannot as Nvidia has a problem they need to sort out
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> mayormccheese: thats a bit of a too general statement, needs a deeper investigation of what happens in your system
[17:30] <mayormccheese> lotuspsychje Was here yesterday and someone helped show that Nvidia fell alseep at the switch
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> mayormccheese: sharing your dmesg in a pastebin would be a good start
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> !paste & mayormccheese
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> !paste
[17:39] <punkgeek> Hello, my Ubuntu VM stopped responding to the IPv6 after an increase in website traffic, and I needed to restart the OS. How can I understand what the problem is?
[18:03] <tomreyn> punkgeek: the first thing to look at is always your system logs. "journalctl" is the command to do so.
[18:04] <tomreyn> if you can correlate the time of the event, it will make it easier to identify any (if any) *related* log messages.
[19:25] <kenny> nig
[19:26] <tomreyn> kenny: hmm?
[19:27] <kenny> hi
[20:33] <crack> nhkjg
[21:05] <mantise> hi, trying to install Curseforge on Lutris client on Ubuntu 23.04. info in pastebin https://pastebin.com/qySrfshM
[21:13] <mantise> or something with the gstreamer package
[21:16] <oerheks> i have no idea about lutris, there is a channel #lutris though
[21:18] <mantise> oerheks, thanks, i'll try to get some help there.
[21:39] <mantise> another thing, when i try to sudo apt update, i get theese errors. is it wrong repository? or what should i do? https://pastebin.com/3fUC7gFg
[21:41] <oerheks> there are no lunar packages for that ppa https://launchpad.net/~flatpak/+archive/ubuntu/stable
[21:41] <oerheks> !info flatpak lunar
[21:42] <oerheks> so, our repos give the latest already
[21:42] <mantise> oerheks, so i have to remove the repo somehow ?
[21:42] <oerheks> just disable in software, yes. as it never got packages, no problem
[21:46] <mantise> oerheks, it also says there is an error when starting the software updater, that must be the same reason then? in other software, i just uncheck the flatpak repo, to solve the problem ?
[21:46] <mantise> remove the flatpak ppa
[21:51] <oerheks> tip; install synaptic, a much more detailed softwarecenter
[22:00] <mantise> oerheks, its solved now, thanks! ill take a look at synaptic
[22:35] <jilocasin> evening everyone
[22:35] <jilocasin> anyone know why, other than to drive more peopple to their commercial offerings, Canonical has made updating Ubuntu such a pain?
[22:36] <oerheks> no money, no updates, friend
[22:36] <ravage> jilocasin: if you have a specific Ubuntu related support question please ask. if you just want to discuss Ubuntu in general please do it in #ubuntu-discuss
[22:37] <jilocasin> ravage: sure, in older versions of Unbuntu, say 18.x I can script a bunch of apt-get update/upgrade/apt autoremove and it will just complete.
[22:38] <jilocasin> ravage: but in current versions of Ubuntu, the same script is interupted by screens to let you know your kernel's out of date, or asking you if you want to restart services.  This means that you can't just run the commands without having to be there to acknowledge those prompts.
[22:39] <jilocasin> ravage: is there a *simple* command line way to supress those screens/prompts?
[22:39] <ravage> DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get -y upgrade
[22:39] <oerheks> add -y often works
[22:40] <ravage> and im sure a few others that may be helpful
[22:40] <jilocasin> oerheks: not really
[22:40] <jilocasin> ravage: right now I'm getting the "Daemons using outdated libraries"
[22:40] <ravage> https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/explain-debian_frontend-apt-get-variable-for-ubuntu-debian/ shows some
[22:41] <ravage> that sounds like the needrestart package
[22:41] <ravage> you can just remove that if it bothers yoi
[22:41] <ravage> *you
[22:42] <ravage> or adjust /etc/needrestart/needrestart.conf
[22:43] <jilocasin> ravage: tried removing it, but it also removed quite a few perl libs. :/
[22:44] <jilocasin> ravage: not quite as bad as ubuntu-advantage, which is nearly impossible to remove.
[22:45] <ravage> ubuntu-advantage is pretty hard to get rid of compared to other packages
[22:45] <ravage> but there are guides to do that too. or at least disable most of its functions
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[22:46] <jilocasin> ravage: what would be best would be if ubuntu is going to add anoying prompts to the upgrade process, that they provide a command line switch to disable them as well.
[22:46] <ravage> personally i dont mind it
[22:46] <ravage> i even use it
[22:46] <jilocasin> ravage: when you are updating 20-30 servers, it gets real tedious.  18.x just run the compund script and you are done.
[22:46] <ravage> all tools should check  DEBIAN_FRONTEND in a perfect world
[22:47] <jilocasin> ravage: current versions mean that I have to wait, tab, tab, enter several times per machine manually.
[22:47] <ravage> i run automatic updates on a lot of 22.04 servers via script
[22:47] <ravage> never had any problems really
[22:48] <jilocasin> ravage: if there's a kernel update, then that's potentially several other screens that stop the processed dead in it's tracks until I acknowledge that I am running an outdated kernel.
[22:49] <jilocasin> ravage: so your confirming what I was afraid of, there's no switch to supress this annoying behaviour that I've missed.
[22:50] <ravage> been running https://p.haxxors.com/dist-upgradesh.txt for years
[22:50] <ravage> 18.04 to now 22.04
[22:50] <ravage> no prompts. all peachy
[22:50] <jilocasin> ravage: I'm not upgrading verisons
[22:51] <ravage> me neither
[22:51] <jilocasin> ravage: I'm running a variant of-> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade -y && sudo apt-get upgrade -y linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic && sudo apt autoremove -y && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade -y
[22:51] <ravage> just has been the same script since forever
[22:52] <ravage> i did remove the needrestart stuff. so i cant say much about that
[22:53] <ravage> it is not part of my deployment
[22:57] <sunny> while running suso apt upgrade -y there are lots of errors observed
[22:57] <sunny> sunny@sunny-XPS-15-9510:~$ sudo apt upgrade -y
[22:57] <sunny> Reading package lists... Done
[22:57] <sunny> Building dependency tree... Done
[22:57] <sunny> Reading state information... Done
[22:57] <sunny> Calculating upgrade... Done
[22:57] <ravage> !paste | sunny
[22:59] <sunny> unset ARCH; [ ! -h /usr/bin/cc ] && export CC=/usr/bin/gcc; env NV_VERBOSE=1 'make' -j16 NV_EXCLUDE_BUILD_MODULES='' KERNEL_UNAME=6.3.1-060301-generic IGNORE_XEN_PRESENCE=1 IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=1 SYSSRC=/lib/modules/6.3.1-060301-generic/bu
[22:59] <sunny> ild LD=/usr/bin/ld.bfd CONFIG_X86_KERNEL_IBT= modules.....(bad exit status: 2)
[22:59] <sunny> ERROR (dkms apport): kernel package linux-headers-6.3.1-060301-generic is not supported
[22:59] <sunny> Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 6.3.1-060301-generic (x86_64)
[22:59] <sunny> Consult /var/lib/dkms/nvidia/470.182.03/build/make.log for more information.
[22:59] <sunny> Error! One or more modules failed to install during autoinstall.
[22:59] <oerheks> sunny, do not paste like that
[22:59] <oerheks> read the warnings
[23:00] <wontfix[m]> Alexa, what is pastebin?
[23:00] <oerheks> lunar gives kernel 6.2, so you use a custom kernel 6.3, unsupported here.
[23:00] <sunny> sunny@sunny-XPS-15-9510:~$
[23:00] <sunny> ok sure
[23:01] <oerheks> that might explain the nvidia failure
[23:01] <oerheks> * good luck
[23:03] <sunny> yes got it will create an item on dpaste and share the link
[23:03] <sunny> https://dpaste.com/8G8WL6E5W
[23:10] <oerheks> reverse back to  6.2.0-21.21 and your nvidia dkms works fine
[23:18] <sunny> ok so it seems the nvidia drivers are not compatable with latest released kernel version 6.3
[23:40] <luna__> I have too many tabls open (*G RAM) and chrome is again consipating the entire system. Where can I effectively write and complain-increase awareness for those who can rewrite that part of chrome - so that this is handled better?
[23:40] <luna__> 22.-4 up to date
[23:40] <luna__> luna is morgan
[23:41] <margan-mate> 8G oc 8=*.
[23:41] <oerheks> every tab is its own sandbox, so no.
[23:42] <margan-mate> Thanks. I need to look up what the sandbox is.


[01:22] <kgiii> I like to be thorough. And habitual. I set aside a specific amount of time, and it's weird when it doesn't take that amount of time.
[01:52] <guiverc> yeah it is...
 Good qualities indeed! (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <kgiii> I like to be thorough. And habitual. I set aside a specific amount of time, and it's weird when it doesn't take that amount of time.)
[14:20] <kgiii> LOL I might just make today another quick/easy test day @Leokolb. It'll be nice to have a couple of days with a bit more free time. Well, something will end up using that time. It always does.


[05:54] <Cantide> 'o'
[05:59] <Cantide> does anyone know how i can manually add an icon to the launcher?
[05:59] <Cantide> I've installed some things that don't come up in the dash
[06:00] <Cantide> and i don't want to use the terminal to launch them each time :|
[08:35] <superfly> Ohi Mezenir!
[08:42] <Mezenir> hey superfly :)
[08:42] <Mezenir> what news
[11:49] <superfly> Mezenir: sorry for the silence, I was busy.
[11:49] <superfly> Mezenir: nothing much right now. Did you hear about the release party?
[13:42] <Mezenir> release party ?
[13:54] <kbmonkey> hello
[15:05] <inetpro> For those who may be interested: Call for IRC operators http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2012/05/04/call-for-irc-operators
[16:24] <mazal> Hello
[17:02] <magespawn> Evening all
[17:09] <mazal> Evening magespawn
[17:13] <magespawn> Hey how goes it?
[17:15] <mazal> I'm good thanx and you ?
[19:38] <inetpro> good evening


[07:22] <chatter29> hey guys
[07:22] <chatter29> allah is doing
[07:22] <chatter29> sun is not doing allah is doing
[07:22] <chatter29> to accept islam say that i bear witness that there is no deity worthy of worship except allah and muhammad peace be upon him is his slave and messenger
[07:22] <krytarik> chatter29: Howdy.
[07:23] <chatter29> fine
[07:33] <sorinello_> he's spamming a lot of IRC channels
[07:34] <Unit193> He does that.
[16:22] <flocculant> bluesabre: verification-did for xenial - not done yakkety - would have to do an install first
[20:58] <flocculant> bluesabre: done yakkety
[20:58] <flocculant> not too positive about 1 person commenting being enough though ;)
[20:59] <flocculant> maybe we should do some shouting out on various outlets?
[22:09] <knome> bluesabre, ping?
[22:22]  * knome points ochosi and bluesabre at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-art/xubuntu-artwork/zesty/revision/320
[22:22] <knome> bluesabre, plz check if i messed something up ;)
[23:19] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: [zesty] r320 Add wallpaper for 17.04.... (by Pasi Lallinaho)
[23:21] <krytarik> knome: You forgot to update the Plymouth one. :>
[23:21] <knome> did i?
[23:21] <knome> ugh.
[23:21] <knome> at least i had the export path ready there...
[23:22] <knome> will do that nexty next
[23:37] <bluesabre> evening all
[23:42] <knome> hello seany
[23:42] <flocculant> hi bluesabre :)
[23:42] <bluesabre> hi pasi
[23:42] <bluesabre> heya flocculant


[00:09] <BarkingFish> Evening guys :)  Just a quick "uh-oh" for you.  I'm trying to commit an edit to bug 1023645 on launchpad, and it's consistently timing out.  I don't know if it's right down or just some technical probs.  Thought I'd just give you a heads up in case you had anything to do on there :)
[00:10] <yofel> BarkingFish: too many dupes maybe.
[00:11] <yofel> #launchpad can help, as repeated timeouts warrant a bug report
[00:11] <BarkingFish> ok, i just joined there, i'm gonna let them know
[00:11] <yofel> (if anyone's awake there)
[00:11] <yofel> it's weekend after all :/
[00:13] <BarkingFish> yeah :)  1.11 am here, and I'm desperately trying to sink an unpleasant feeling in my stomach :)
[00:14] <BarkingFish> A couple of beers should do that, but they haven't.  I had to treat someone for a nosebleed earlier, and it's the one thing - only one thing - in my job, which makes me feel like revisiting dinner.
[00:44] <BarkingFish> btw, yofel, was it you who pinged up the bug on plasma-desktop crashing on login?
[00:49] <yofel> can't remember right now... I can think of many plasma bugs...
[00:49] <BarkingFish> yeah - i have a stack of updates here for kde though, and I'm concerned about applying them for fear of getting effectively locked out of plasma.
[03:37] <smartboyhw> Good morning chaps
[05:10] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1082394] krunner freezes @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1082394 (by Manuel López-Ibáñez)
[06:00] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1120077] Upgrade to 4.10 leads to terminal related artifacts on the desktop @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1120077 (by bastafidli)
[07:26] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[07:26] <smartboyhw> Hey phoenix_firebrd
[07:27] <phoenix_firebrd> smartboyhw: hi
[07:43] <smartboyhw> Oh no, there is a smarter who is smarter than smartboyhw:P
[07:44] <phoenix_firebrd> :)
[07:45] <smartboyhw> phoenix_firebrd, are you on 12.04 or 13.04 (or 12.10)/
[07:45] <smartboyhw> ?
[07:49] <phoenix_firebrd> smartboyhw: 12.10
[07:49] <phoenix_firebrd> brb
[07:58] <phoenix_firebrd> smartboyhw: i am in 12.10 with backports enabled
[07:58] <phoenix_firebrd> smartboyhw: ??
[08:00] <smartboyhw> phoenix_firebrd, I want someone with 12.04:P
[08:00] <phoenix_firebrd> smartboyhw: oh ok
[08:45] <lordievader> Good morning, does someone have 13.04 installed on a laptop?
[08:52] <smartboyhw> lordievader, I did
[08:54] <lordievader> smartboyhw: Do you recognize this: after you had woken the laptop from its slumber, the case fan start to blow at 100% rpm, while there is no process hogging the cpu. The cpu is around 30 degrees btw.
[08:59] <shadeslayer> hmm
[08:59] <shadeslayer> lordievader: do you have nepomuk enabled?
[09:00] <shadeslayer> usually my CPU usage spikes when virtuoso is doing itself
[09:00] <shadeslayer> s/itself/something/
[09:00] <kubotu> shadeslayer meant: "usually my CPU usage spikes when virtuoso is doing something"
[09:00] <lordievader> shadeslayer: After it crashed on every boot I have disabled it. However I have not yet rebooted since I disabled it.
[09:00] <shadeslayer> okay
[09:01] <shadeslayer>  ps aux | grep virtuoso
[09:01] <lordievader> Shall I reboot and verify if the behaviour is still there?
[09:01] <shadeslayer> yeah, reboot and check if it's still there
[09:01] <shadeslayer> and odd that it crashed
[09:01] <lordievader> Process isn't running right now.
[09:02] <lordievader> There were quite a few duplicate bug on the crash of nepomuk.
[09:05] <lordievader> Rebooted and put to sleep, wakes up with 100% rpm on the fan.
[09:07] <lordievader> <5% cpu usage, cpu temp: 25~30 C
[09:08] <shadeslayer> :S
[09:08] <shadeslayer> what laptop is this?
[09:08] <shadeslayer> because I remember my macbook having dead fans on boot, turned out to be a kernel issue
[09:09] <lordievader> An older one: HP Compaq 6730s
[09:11] <lordievader> I'll see if my HP Elitebook 8560w has the same problem, bbl.
[09:21] <shadeslayer> lordievader: interenet says to blacklist the video module
[09:21] <lordievader> The 13.04 installation is on an external drive, if I boot from there on the elitebook it does not give me the menu option of sleep/standby. However if I issue it with pm-suspend and then wake it up there is no problem. When I do the same on the compaq there is still the bug.
[09:22] <lordievader> Not sure what module to blacklist.
[09:24] <shadeslayer> I wouldn't really blacklist that module
[09:25] <shadeslayer> afaik it's what drives the display
[09:25] <shadeslayer> see http://www.linlap.com/hp-compaq_6730s
[09:26] <lordievader> You mean the comment: add "blacklist video" to the blacklist file.
[09:26] <shadeslayer> yep
[09:26] <shadeslayer> do you have fglrx installed?
[09:26] <shadeslayer> or the open source radeon driver
[09:27] <lordievader> There are different models of this laptop, this one got an intel gfx chip.
[09:27] <shadeslayer> oh
[09:28] <shadeslayer> the intel stuff works great out of the box
[09:28] <lordievader> Yes they do, the whole laptop works great out of the box actually.
[09:29] <shadeslayer> I have no idea tbh, maybe #ubuntu can help
[09:30] <lordievader> Hmm does not fix it. Well it doesn't matter much to me, I just thought if this was occuring to more laptops it might be a bug with 13.04.
[09:31] <shadeslayer> nope, works fine for me
[09:31] <shadeslayer> except when virtuoso takes one entire core
[09:31] <lordievader> As it did on my other laptop.
[09:31] <shadeslayer> lordievader: might also be worth filing a bug against the kernel on launchpad?
[09:32] <shadeslayer> lordievader: actually, that happens only once or twice every 12 hours :)
[09:33] <lordievader> I ment that waking up without the fan going haywire works on the other laptop. I haven't seen any cpu spikes on 13.04 yet.
[09:33] <shadeslayer> bah
[09:33] <shadeslayer> Riddell: plasma-mobile is still stuck
[09:34] <shadeslayer> says "Valid candidate"
[11:32] <smartboyhw> Riddell, shadeslayer one question: Is MOTU (Masters of the Universe) named after a film with the same time?
[11:34] <smartboyhw> BTW, anyone here IS doing plasmate?
[12:08] <Peace-> hi :D
[12:14] <smartboyhw> Hi Peace-
[12:24] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: hi
[12:24] <Peace-> hey
[12:32] <yofel> hum
[12:33] <yofel> It seems that everyone forgot to upload the kde-l10n backports
[12:33] <yofel> (I guess me always doing it has a part in that)
[12:33]  * yofel gets to work
[12:37] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yes it has some relation to the He-Man film
[12:49] <smartboyhw> Riddell, Wow!
[12:50] <smartboyhw> Chinese New Year coming in 3:10 hours
[12:51] <lordievader> smartboyhw: Happy Chinese new year!
[12:57] <smartboyhw> lordievader, not yet:P
[12:57] <smartboyhw> Since I'm from Hong Kong that's why I mentioned it
[12:58] <lordievader> smartboyhw: I've been there last year, man that city is large and busy.
[13:09]  * yofel requested some more space for backports
[13:24] <Riddell> smartboyhw: not out partying and watching fireworks?
[13:24] <Riddell> thanks yofel
[13:28] <smartboyhw> Riddell, no fireworks today
[13:28] <smartboyhw> It is on I think Monday
[13:28] <smartboyhw> lordievader, yes:)
[13:29] <phoenix_firebrd> smartboyhw: happy new year
[13:29] <smartboyhw> phoenix_firebrd, not yet. It is based on GMT+8
[13:29] <smartboyhw> And now it is still 9:29 PM here
[13:29] <smartboyhw> Which is GMT+8
[13:30] <phoenix_firebrd> smartboyhw: I am in india
[13:30] <phoenix_firebrd> smartboyhw: its +5.30 for me
[13:31] <smartboyhw> phoenix_firebrd, you want to do the Plasmate packaging?
[13:31] <phoenix_firebrd> smartboyhw: queue is full for me
[13:31] <smartboyhw> !testers new ISO 20120209 has arrived
[13:31] <smartboyhw> Damn how to use it Riddell ?
[13:31] <smartboyhw> !testers | new ISO 20120209 of Precise has arrived
[13:32] <smartboyhw> Got it:P
[13:34] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: one of the patch file in xfs has 70 chunks and it needs to be refreshed, can i package it at last?
[13:35] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: *hunks
[13:37] <smartboyhw> Riddell, apachelogger added me to sftp.kde.org for calligra packaging about 4-5 days ago. Now that I've changed my ssh key, can you re-enable my access?
[13:39] <Riddell> phoenix_firebrd: in xfs?  we're not talking kde here are we?
[13:39] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yeah can do
[13:39] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: ya , here http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/uehs/no_updated.html
[13:39] <smartboyhw> Riddell, just use the new ssh key in my Launchpad page: https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw
[13:40] <shadeslayer> phoenix_firebrd: check if upstream accepted some of the patches
[13:41] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: thats by checking the commit logs?
[13:41] <shadeslayer> yep
[13:41] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: ok
[13:42] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: why are some package names with version are inconsistant with standars?
[13:42] <shadeslayer> like?
[13:43] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: sadms pkg-ubu-2.0.16
[13:43] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: i used the v option
[13:44] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: this is the present version in ubuntu 2.0.15.repack-0ubuntu2
[13:44] <shadeslayer> you mean : 2.0.15.repack-0ubuntu2
[13:44] <shadeslayer> right
[13:44] <shadeslayer> that's fine
[13:44] <shadeslayer> it indicates that the tarball was repacked
[13:44] <shadeslayer> for some reason
[13:45] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: so i can just <app>_<version> ?
[13:45] <shadeslayer> isn't that the norm>
[13:45] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: ok
[13:45] <shadeslayer> srcname_version.orig.tar.foo
[13:46] <shadeslayer> where foo is one of xz, bz2 or gz
[13:46] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: so i can rename it right?
[13:46] <shadeslayer> sure
[13:47] <shadeslayer> upstream will usually name the tar  : src-version.tar.foo
[13:47] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: can the original arch be used without renaming ?
[13:47] <shadeslayer> or zip/rar in some weird cases
[13:47] <shadeslayer> original arch?
[13:47] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: the one that uupdate downloads and which will be uploaded to launchpad by dput
[13:48] <shadeslayer> ahh
[13:49] <shadeslayer> yes, you can rename it, but please try and not to ;)
[13:49] <shadeslayer> we usually don't rename tars, unless we absolutely have to
[13:49] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: no i asked can we use that without renaming
[13:49] <Riddell>  smartboyhw done
[13:49] <smartboyhw> Riddell, thx
[13:50] <Riddell> phoenix_firebrd: well I doubt there's an easy way to do it, apply the patch and look at the bits that don't apply and work out what needs to be done
[13:50] <Riddell> phoenix_firebrd: weren't you working on telepathy packaging and something else?
[13:50] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: thats not the issue, i am thinking of putting it at the end of my work queue
[13:51] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: telepathy work is done is parallel
[13:55] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: I am preparing a list for my personal purposes and for updating the file. This is the one http://paste.kde.org/668144/
[13:57] <lordievader> Time to test the new 12.04.2 image.
[13:58] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: some of the packages asks to install certain packages before building else debuild fails, how does the launchpad machines identify these packages but not my pbuilder install?
[13:58] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: for example i had to install dpatch for debuild to succeed
[13:58] <shadeslayer> if you use pbuilder it should automatically install those deps
[13:59] <shadeslayer> ahhh
[13:59] <shadeslayer> you need to have some of the things installed that debian/rules needs
[13:59] <shadeslayer> like pkg-kde-tools if you use the debhelper kde addon
[13:59] <shadeslayer> how else will debuild know what to do :)
[13:59] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: so those machines in the launchpad how do they process these automatically?
[14:00] <shadeslayer> phoenix_firebrd: Build Depends?
[14:00] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: so i should add dpatch to build deps?
[14:00] <shadeslayer> is it not there already?
[14:01] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: ya, also i feel that these packages are need to be preinstalled before anything, i may be wrong
[14:01] <shadeslayer> sorry, I don't follow ...
[14:02] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: wait
[14:02] <shadeslayer> what launchpad does is that it installs some packages, unpacks the source and packaging, installs the build deps and starts building
[14:02] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: try packaging mpich
[14:04] <shadeslayer> make: *** No rule to make target `/usr/share/dpatch/dpatch.make'.  Stop.
[14:04] <shadeslayer> that
[14:04] <shadeslayer> ?
[14:04] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: ya
[14:04] <shadeslayer> !find dpatch.make
[14:04] <shadeslayer> right, so if you read line 44 of debian/rules
[14:04] <shadeslayer> include /usr/share/dpatch/dpatch.make
[14:05] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: checking
[14:05] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: so?
[14:05] <shadeslayer> and I see dpatch in Build-Depends
[14:05] <shadeslayer> phoenix_firebrd: it uses dpatch for patches
[14:05] <shadeslayer> instead of quilt
[14:06] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: ya
[14:06] <shadeslayer> ( guessing here )
[14:06] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: so now dpatch have to be installed right?
[14:06] <shadeslayer> yes
[14:06] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: then how does launchpad automate it?
[14:06] <shadeslayer> well .. dpatch is installed because it's there in the build-depends
[14:07] <shadeslayer> so it gets installed with all the other Build Dependencies
[14:07] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: in that case why the error?
[14:07] <shadeslayer> because debuild doesn't automagically install the build-deps
[14:08] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: what should be done so that the debuild succeeds without errors?
[14:08] <shadeslayer> install dpatch
[14:08] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: ok i understood
[14:08] <shadeslayer> :P
[14:09] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: do people put this as a comment somewhere?
[14:09] <shadeslayer> nope
[14:10] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: ok
[14:10] <shadeslayer> if you're a maintainer, you usually have these tools installed
[14:10] <shadeslayer> for eg. the debian maintainer of mpich is comfortable with dpatch
[14:10] <shadeslayer> instead of quilt
[14:10] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: ok, i am preparing a chat with these comments for my personal purposes
[14:10] <shadeslayer> sure
[14:11] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: *chart
[14:11] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: one more doubt
[14:11] <shadeslayer> phoenix_firebrd: if someone is trying to package KDE but has gnome installed, I wouldn't expect him to have pkg-kde-tools installed
[14:11] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: right
[14:11] <shadeslayer> and s/he will hit the exact same issue
[14:11] <shadeslayer> sure
[14:13] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer:  when doing uupdate for a package the resulting folder downloaded contains the latest version of that software packaged to deb with the .dsc file and the original tar, so should i just upload it to my ppa?
[14:13] <shadeslayer> did you test build it?
[14:14] <shadeslayer> if it builds fine, sounds good
[14:14] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: haven't tested it
[14:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: could you have a look at plasma-mobile?
[14:14] <shadeslayer> stuck in proposed it is
[14:15] <shadeslayer> phoenix_firebrd: upload to PPA and then test it?
[14:15] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: thats what i thought :)
[14:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer: hum something about kubuntu-active
[14:16] <Riddell> but not sure what
[14:16] <Riddell> maybe it's sitll not installable
[14:16] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: Thats all now, build failed because of no disk space , going to try resizing my root , hope it will go smooth
[14:16] <shadeslayer> heh
[14:22] <gerlos> hello everyone!
[14:28] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:31] <gerlos> Got Dolphin an Konqueror freeze when I right-click on a file, any hint?
[14:34] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: hi
[14:35] <BluesKaj> gerlos, updated /upgraded lately ?
[14:35] <BluesKaj> hi phoenix_firebrd
[14:35] <phoenix_firebrd> brb
[14:35] <gerlos> BluesKaj: yes, from kubuntu-backports PPA
[14:36] <BluesKaj> to 4.10 then
[14:37] <gerlos> BluesKaj: right, I'm on 4.10
[14:38] <gerlos> BluesKaj: just disabled ALL the services for the right click menu, freezes seem gone, but right click menu doesn't appear "instantly", it tooks a 2-3 secs...
[14:38] <gerlos> BluesKaj: I suppose I have to do some trial and error to find the bad service...
[14:39] <BluesKaj> gerlos try resetting the menubar style in app appearance >fine tuning
[14:40] <gerlos> BluesKaj: it's already there. But I'm using the "window menubar" plasmoid in a panel, may it be connected with the problem?
[14:40] <BluesKaj> I had the same symptoms yesterday ...I set the menubar to "in application" then rebooted
[14:44] <BluesKaj> gerlos , I just tried the window menubar in the panel , works ok
[14:45] <BluesKaj> no freezing when right clicking on files
[14:46] <gerlos> BluesKaj: right, disabling all the services averything seems to work fine
[14:47] <BluesKaj> you can also choose to have a menubar at the top of your screen , which is pretty neat ..set it in fine tuning
[14:47] <BluesKaj> disabling which services , gerlos ?
[14:49] <gerlos> BluesKaj: went to Settings -> Configure dolphin -> services and disabled everything
[14:50] <BluesKaj> gerlos, that seems rather drastic :P
[14:51] <gerlos> BluesKaj: right, but at least now we know that's one (or some) of those services fault...
[14:52] <BluesKaj> have you updated / upgraded today , gerlos ..also dist-upgrade
[14:53] <gerlos> BluesKaj: did it yesterday, I'll do it again now
[14:56] <gerlos> BluesKaj: did it, installed just an updated localization package
[14:57] <BluesKaj> which kubuntu, gerlos ?
[14:58] <gerlos> BluesKaj: I'm running kubuntu 12.10, I always upgrade from previous releases
[14:58] <BluesKaj> ok
[15:01] <smartboyhw> Riddell, can't seem to connect to sftp.kde.org
[15:05] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: this is what you meant for ktp-desktop-applets debian/copyright? http://paste.kde.org/668228/
[15:08] <Riddell> smartboyhw: ftpmaster.kde.org
[15:08] <Riddell> smartboyhw: but what do you need?
[15:08] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ah sorry
[15:12] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: is this correct for ktp-desktop-applets debian/copyright ? http://paste.kde.org/668228/
[15:15] <gerlos> BluesKaj: reactivated almost all the services, still no freezes... boh!
[15:16] <BluesKaj> gerlos, good :)
[15:16] <gerlos> BluesKaj: anyway, thanks for yrou support!
[15:17] <lordievader> During installation of 12.04.2 the release notes point to kubuntu.org/news is this correct?
[15:21] <BluesKaj> gerlos, np
[16:01] <smartboyhw> Happy Chinese New Year!!!!!
[16:07] <ovidiu-florin> ScottK: hello, I wanted to do some more testing, and I saw that there are no more results on this page: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/254/builds/37267/testcases
[16:07] <ovidiu-florin> what happened?
[16:07] <ovidiu-florin> the results there were submited are gone
[16:08] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, new build maybe
[16:09] <ovidiu-florin> it was for 12.04.2
[16:09] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, yes new build
[16:09] <ovidiu-florin> ok....
[16:10] <ovidiu-florin> that means I have to redo the tests?
[16:10] <smartboyhw> -queuebot/#kubuntu-devel- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Precise 12.04.2] has been updated (20130209)
[16:10] <smartboyhw> -queuebot/#kubuntu-devel- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop i386 [Precise 12.04.2] has been updated (20130209)
[16:10] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, well frankly yes
[16:10] <ovidiu-florin> oh...
[16:10] <ovidiu-florin> does this happen often?
[16:10] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, um sort of
[16:12] <ovidiu-florin> why?
[16:14] <phoenix_firebrd> smartboyhw: happy new year :)
[16:14] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, when there is a bug fixed in precise, there is a need to build new ISOs
[16:14] <smartboyhw> phoenix_firebrd, thx
[16:26] <ovidiu-florin> thank's for the help
[16:26] <ovidiu-florin> have to go now
[16:26] <ovidiu-florin> see you soon
[16:31] <phoenix_firebrd> bbl
[17:55] <Peace-> my god but really this kind of rule exist ?
[17:55] <Peace-> link to let me google for you it's rude?
[17:55] <Tm_T> wrong channel
[17:55] <Peace-> i don't know
[17:56] <Tm_T> Peace-: you know devel channel is not place to discuss support channel rules
[17:56] <Peace-> well i don't remember the one
[17:56] <Peace-> kubuntu-ops?
[17:56] <Tm_T> Peace-: you could have asked (;
[17:56] <Quintasan> Tm_T: Well techically it is since we are the only ones providing support :P
[17:57] <Tm_T> Quintasan: not really
[17:57] <Tm_T> Peace-: #ubuntu-ops
[17:57] <Peace-> omg ubuntu
[17:57] <Peace-> no..
[17:57] <Peace-> i prefered to leave these stupid conversation off from my life
[17:58] <Tm_T> noone is asking you to continue on the topic (:
[17:58] <Peace-> infact i will close here
[19:42] <claydoh> 1002 google plus users are part of the Kubuntu community over there :)
[19:45] <ScottK> jtechidna: Is the backend code for prompting for upgrading to a new release any different for Kubuntu than on Ubuntu?
[19:48] <jtechidna> nope, both use MetaReleaseCore from python3-update-manager
[19:49] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: ^
[19:49] <ScottK> Thanks.
[19:57] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1120553] veromix-plasmoid can't be loaded @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1120553 (by Cole Mickens)
[21:30] <sheytan> Riddell: around?
[22:37] <yofel> fun, kdesdk just moved to git
[23:05] <sheytan> http://madsheytan.blogspot.com/2013/02/poszukiwanie-nowych-rozwiazan.html


[00:45] <steev_> so, running into an... interesting issue with ubuntu-core, on an efika, i am installing, and really not doing much special, but, i'm doing it in a chroot, so i have the policy-rc.d file, but, upon reboot, once going through oem-config, when you login as the user created, it throws up 2 system errors, and it seems to be man-db and ubuntu-extras-keyring need to be re-installed.  is there a way to do
[00:45] <steev_>  that before oem-config is run?
[02:43] <infinity> steev_: I don't see how having a policy-rc.d in place would prevent man-db and ubuntu-extras-keyring from installing correctly.
[02:44] <infinity> steev_: What are the actual errors?
[02:45] <steev_> infinity: one sec, i'm about to reboot on a new install again
[02:50] <steev_> infinity: ugh, for some reason it only happens *after* oem-config is run.  and i'm trying to get all the different packages i want in order, before i set it to run oem-config.  i'll do more research, but i definitely remember it complaining about man-db and ubuntu-extras-keyring, but when i told it to report the issue, it complained about some log being empty.  Next time I will pay more attention
[02:50] <steev_> (i haven't slept since friday night)
[02:51] <infinity> Your man-db issue could just be that you need to manually run /etc/cron.daily/man-db (or wait for the cronjob to trigger later), but without seeing the error you're talking about, I don't know.
[02:52] <infinity> If you mean that either of them is complaining about actually not being installed correctly period, that's a packaging bug, and not something you should be working around in installers.
[02:52] <infinity> But, yeah.  Seeing the errors would be helpful.  Filing bugs, too.
[02:52] <steev_> like i said, i hit the button to report issue, it complained about some log file being empty, next time i see it, i'll take a screenshot just to be safe
[02:53] <steev_> for the moment though, i'm going to say this one is cooked, and prep it so i can mass install ;)
[07:31] <micahg> janimo`: I'll be uploading chromium in a couple hours, it would be nice to enable armhf properly :)
[08:18] <janimo`> micahg, well I do not have a proper patch, just handedited the files in question
[08:18] <micahg> janimo`: can you diff them for me against what's in precise?
[08:19] <janimo`> micahg, ok. I was not sure if a sed call in rules would be ok or a more elegant way that intriduces new variables in gyp
[08:19] <micahg> janimo`: we usually just patch the files ;)
[08:20] <janimo`> micahg, I am not sure if it was chromium (maybe thunderbird) that made me not want to work with it much. IIRC it did not work with edit-patch but some custom quilt paths and runes that were not documented
[08:21] <micahg> janimo`: yes, you need to be in build-tree/src for chromium
[08:22]  * micahg would love to switch to straight source format 3 and dh7, but that would require time :)
[08:25] <janimo`> micahg, that would be awesome. It would be time gained in the long run
[08:32] <janimo`> micahg, what rule does only the unpacking for chromium?
[08:32]  * janimo` tries to come up with a cleanish patch
[08:33] <micahg> janimo`: debian/rules patch I think
[08:35] <janimo`> Laney, around?
[08:35] <micahg> oh, did you fix ghc?
[08:36] <janimo`> micahg, yes
[08:36] <janimo`> but just like chromium. Fixed the build, have no idea what the 'proper' upstream patch should be
[08:36] <janimo`> could be a sed in debian/rules if armhf, of some haskell code + config stuff in another unusual build system
[08:37] <janimo`> s/of/or/
[08:37] <janimo`> I think it needs a normal patch though, upstream assumes softpf and has no config for armhf at all
[08:43] <Laney> janimo`: nice work! Can you show me the patch? I'll show the ghcarm people what was needed and they should be able to take it from there
[08:43] <janimo`> Laney, just filed a bug in ghc trac. A moment
[08:43] <Laney> oh ok, nice
[08:43] <janimo`> http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/5914
[08:44] <Laney> are you uploading to ubuntu?
[08:44]  * janimo` praises his habit of using a simple identical password almost everuwhere, so wehn visiting sites every couple years he does not have to scratch his head.
[08:44]  * janimo` oopses
[08:45] <janimo`> Laney, no, it is a hack, I;ll leave the proper patch to people who know how to integrate with the ghc build system and make it conditional
[08:46] <janimo`> Laney, I could not figure out from a few minutes of using the code whether all options need to be hardcoded in haskell or can be driven exclusively from some human readable file, like settings in the root dir
[08:46] <janimo`> as this option only needs passinf fo armhf
[08:46] <Laney> there is mk/build.mk but I am not sure exactly which options it takes
[08:47] <janimo`> Laney, another approach would be making llvm/llc default to hard float when invoked on a hard-float system, like gcc does .Not sure if that is ok with llvm people whough
[08:48] <janimo`> Laney, so if you could point this to arm/ghc people they may fix it properly
[08:48] <Laney> ok, thanks for the work!
[08:48] <janimo`> Laney, you're welcome
[08:57] <janimo`> micahg, can you help me with the patching of chromium. Finally untarred a sample package. cd build-tree/src
[08:57] <micahg> quilt push -a
[08:58] <janimo`> ok
[08:58] <micahg> quilt new fix-armhf-gyp.patch
[08:59] <janimo`> ok
[09:05] <janimo`> micahg, will attach the patch shortly
[09:05] <micahg> janimo`: thanks
[09:08] <janimo`> micahg, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/943281 fingers crossed. With restarted package builds and not knowing how and what exactly the build system regenenerates and which bits of config drive what this is a best effor tpatch :)
[09:08] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 943281 in chromium-browser "armhf FTBFS in precise" [High,In progress]
[09:08] <micahg> janimo`: thanks
[09:09] <micahg> will look at it in a few minutes
[09:09] <janimo`> micahg, thanks
[09:09] <janimo`> at least the gyp bits i am fairly confident should work. The v8 one, may or may not
[09:10] <janimo`> I hope the TODO item - 'migrate to external v8 lib ' is not too unrealistic :)
[09:10] <micahg> we won't do that as chromium will move too fast in the stable release
[09:12] <janimo`> TODO: remove v8 entry from TODO file :)
[09:15] <micahg> janimo`: heh, anyways, patch looks sane and won't break armel builds, I'll upload shortly
[09:45] <micahg> janimo`: maybe that's why it works in Debian, they use the system v8
[09:48] <micahg> janimo`: well, we should find out in ~1hr if it worked or not, I'm about to upload
[10:23] <sveinse> Hi. I'm having some troubles with a custom natty armel installation (on custom HW). One particular device isn't booting properly, while others are. I'm debugging upstart and it seems it locks up in mountall, i.e. it doesn't emit the correct signals for upstart to continue into runlevel/rc-sysv modes.
[10:24] <sveinse> Mountall --verbose show that is indeed stops in mountall, but no errors on the console. How can I debug this? Any ideas?
[10:28] <ogra_> sounds like a kernel issue to me
[10:34] <micahg> janimo`: armhf seems happy, it's building
[10:48] <sveinse> ogra_: The device had an old HW clock setting. So from what I can see mountall (not fsck) halt if the HW clock is older than the superblock of the fs. If I set the hwclock to newer, it works. Is this expected or a bug?
[10:48] <ogra_> well, if you use an ubuntu initramfs you can easily work around this by using the ficrtc cmdline option
[10:49] <ogra_> it will force the RTC to the past mount time of the disk
[10:49] <sveinse> a kernel parameter?
[10:49] <janimo`> micahg, I still suspect it may fail later on when it tries to link v8 against it all. So in case it does not figure out what the eabi should be another bit in debian/rules may be in order
[10:50] <sveinse> fixrtc I suppose
[10:51] <ogra_> yeah
[10:51] <ogra_> (to both)
[10:53] <janimo`> micahg, amended the bug with a comment in case it fails because of V8 being built without HF
[10:53] <micahg> janimo`: well, the v8 parts compiled, we'll see if it links later
[10:54] <janimo`> ok.
[10:54] <sveinse> ogra_: It works. Thank you very much!
[10:55] <janimo`> ah qtwebkit-source keeps being ftbfs. But that looks nastier as if it was a kernel/glibc/toolchain issue
[11:51] <Laney> janimo`: "VFPv3D16" does not imply armhf?
[11:51] <janimo`> Laney, not necessarily afaik. We had that for armel as well
[11:51] <janimo`> it means use a certain set of VFP registers
[11:52] <janimo`> but even in softfp you could use those as long as they do not cross proc call boundaries
[11:52] <janimo`> so not part of the ABI
[11:52] <janimo`> so we only want to use registers D0-D15 and not D16-D31 as found on some chips.
[11:53] <janimo`> so generate code for that VFP config for both armel and amrhf. For armhf use said regs also for passing arguments and return values between calls
[11:55] <janimo`> Laney, we've been passing -mfpu=vfp3-d16 for a while in Ubuntu for armel
[11:56] <Laney> okey dokey, just thinking how ghc could tell if armhf or not
[11:57] <janimo`> Laney, if it has the equivalent of autogen, it may discover it by seeing gnueabihf in the triplet instead of plain gnueabi
[11:57] <janimo`> if not, it may be good enough to just pass a config option from debian/rules
[12:00] <janimo`> would be nice to be able to drive some options outside haskell code. I see settings.in but am not sure it has sections for passing options to LLVM, as it has for gcc
[12:01] <xranby> Laney:   you can use  #ifdef __ARM_PCS_VFP
[12:01] <xranby> to check for hard-float calling convention
[12:09] <janimo`> xranby, not in haskell code I assume
[12:10] <xranby> maybe.. depends on if you pass the haskell code through the gcc preprocessor or not
[12:10] <janimo`> xranby, there is a preproc step, not sure if it is gcc's
[12:14] <Laney> you can ask it to AFAIK
[12:14] <xranby> some parts of GHC are written in c.. if the arch version detection are done in c code then you can use it
[12:44] <micahg> janimo`: yep, you called it, linking with v8 broke :)
[12:46] <janimo`> micahg, ok, so the snippet I appended to the bug should help
[12:46] <janimo`> or maybe not , this build system is crazy. I know I got it working by setting that variable to 1 in the sconscript
[12:47] <janimo`> if you know that debian/rules can actually pass that v8_armeabi var reliably to SConscript it would be helpful
[12:47] <micahg> janimo`: that I don't know Scons is pretty greek to me
[12:48] <micahg> but, if there's a gyp flag, that's likely to work
[12:49] <janimo`> the script itself is legible, but wherever it is hooked in with gyp and the rest is a mistery to me
[12:50] <micahg> janimo`: so, I'll drop your scons change and use the gyp flag, how does that sound?
[12:50] <janimo`> sure
[12:51] <micahg> janimo`: is this worth doing now, or should I wait for the next stable update?
[12:51] <janimo`> although that SCons thing looks suspicious. Why there's no EABI setting like in the other cases simialr in that file - all come in threes soft/softpf/hard in 2 places, buit this one where only soft is specified
[12:51] <janimo`> micahg, next stable
[12:51] <micahg> ok, thanks
[12:51] <janimo`> progress has been made with this release too :)
[12:52] <micahg> yes, indeed :)
[12:52] <janimo`> is next stable in 6 weeks? Or do you have intermediate uploads too sometimes?
[12:52] <janimo`> either way, next upload, wherever it is
[12:52] <micahg> yeah, there are intermediate uploads whenever chromium feels like releasing it's cache of CVE fixes
[12:52] <janimo`> I'll actually do a test run these days, let it build to have a tested fix
[12:52] <micahg> s/it's/its
[12:52] <janimo`> soon, until I do not forget how to quilt patch the tree
[12:53]  * micahg will start using the word attempt with fixing armhf FTBFS :)
[12:53] <janimo`> exaclty - I have been cautious enough to use attempt in many changelogs and bug comments so far :)
[12:54] <janimo`> or the more optimistic - making the build progress
[14:18] <sveinse>  /etc/init/ttyS*.conf is set to start on stopped rc, which is rather late in the boot process, which can prevent login if booting fails. Would there be any problems starting getty very early, like on startup (upstart event)?
[14:19] <sveinse> I did this for debugging, and it seems ok. Of cource you are warned of ro rootfs, but that's fine as long as you get a login. Now I'm wondering if we should ship this config permanently
[14:26] <sveinse> Where does the logs from e2fsck run by mountall end up on a natty system?
[14:53] <int_ua> Is it possible to install deb package for armel that depends on other armel packages on armhf system?
[14:53] <int_ua> I tried dpkg -i --foreign-architecture armel but it still complains about missing package despite it's installed
[15:00] <Riddell> GrueMaster, ogra_: oneiric armel images boot fine on my panda board, precise armhf images do not
[15:00] <ogra_> oh ? intresting
[15:00] <ogra_> whats the error ?
[15:00] <Riddell> is that something in the pandaboard hardware that can't do armhf, or is it my low power I've giving the board?
[15:01] <Riddell> ogra_: green LED is the error
[15:01] <ogra_> i mean on your serial console :)
[15:01] <Riddell> I don't have a serial console
[15:02] <ogra_> for development it really helps to have one
[15:02] <Riddell> ogra_: what do I need to buy?
[15:03] <ogra_> an usb to serial adapter, try to get one you can attch directly to the pandas serial connector (female i think)
[15:15] <smplman> is their any way to CC entire deb packages then transfer the binaries to the host machine?
[15:19] <smplman> target, sry
[15:23] <infinity> smplman: Define "cc entire deb packages".
[15:24] <infinity> smplman: If you mean "attempt to reconstruct it based on what's currently on the filesystem", you want dpkg-repack.  But there's no guarantee that's going to give you a sane package.
[15:24] <infinity> smplman: Usually, you just want to install the same deb everywhere, and then customise your configs accordingly.
[15:25] <smplman> say i want to install the nano.dpkg on my arm system, but i want to cross compile if first on my x86 system so its faster
[15:25] <smplman> then transfer the binary over
[15:26] <smplman> i realize packages are usually platform independent, but i think its probably faster to cc my packages then transfer them over
[15:26] <smplman> if this is crazy talk just let me know
[15:26] <smplman> i know how to CC normal source, then transfer the binary
[15:27] <smplman> im more concerned with ubuntu packaged now
[15:27] <smplman> i meant *.deb earlier not *.dpkg
[15:29] <smplman> infinity: if that makes sense
[15:30] <infinity> smplman: I'm still lost by what you mean by "CC the package".
[15:30] <infinity> Unless you mean compile?
[15:30] <infinity> And packages are most certainly not platform independant.
[15:35] <smplman> cross compile the package on my x86 machine then transfer it to my arm machine
[15:35] <infinity> Yeah, it's sometimes doable.  But not often.  And we're still working on making it work better.
[15:36] <smplman> Anything documented yet?
[15:36] <infinity> You're really just better off building the package natively, unless you're ready to do a lot of reading on dpkg-cross and the like (and prepared to curse a lot when your use-case fails).
[15:36] <infinity> Well, all the dpkg-cross stuff is documented.  But also in the process of being deprecated for better and shinier methods.
[15:36] <smplman> its for personal dev so not that big a deal
[15:37] <infinity> I really do just recommend building natively for most people.
[15:37] <smplman> i have 11.10 running on both my xoom and beagleboard xm
[15:37] <infinity> The special case to that rule being people who build a lot of kernels, since that's all set up to "just work" with a cross-compiler installed.
[15:37] <smplman> yea im good with building kernels
[15:37] <smplman> it just takes forever to install packages on my xm
[15:38] <infinity> For most other packages, the odds of it working, and the odds of you wanting to throw things are high enough that building natively is just easier.
[15:38] <smplman> or just build from source vs using the .deb?
[15:39] <infinity> I don't see how that changes anything...
[15:39] <infinity> Wait.  Are you talking specifically about dpkg itself taking a long time?
[15:39] <infinity> There's zero ways around that.
[15:39] <infinity> I thought you meant building the deb on another system, then copying it over and installing it.
[15:40] <infinity> There's no sane way to avoid the part where you invoke dpkg.
[15:58] <int_ua> ogra_: You've mentioned ficrtc boot option earlier today. But I can't find docs about it. Was it some typo?
[16:01] <GrueMaster> int_ua: It is fixrtc, a simple shell script that is part of initramfs-tools.
[16:03] <int_ua> GrueMaster: Thanks
[16:19] <brendand> are the sudden switch offs i'm seeing on the pandaboard with this weekends daily expected?
[16:23] <tvoss> Hi all, is it possible to run the 12.04 omap4 image under qemu?
[16:23] <ogra_> no
[16:24] <tvoss> ogra_, is there any image that I can run under qemu?
[16:24] <ogra_> the omap3 image might run in the beagle emu
[16:24] <ogra_> qemu simply has no emu for omap4 at all
[16:27] <tvoss> thanks ... are imx images supposed to be running in qemu then?
[16:27] <ogra_> no
[16:27] <ogra_> there is no qemu emulation for any of the images we have apart from omap3
[16:27] <brendand> tvoss, qemu is not a platform as such
[16:28] <ogra_> you can roll something yourself based on the vexpress kernel and a self rolled rootfs (or ubuntu-core)
[16:29] <GrueMaster> ppisati: ping - not sure if you noticed, but I figured out why I didn't have sound & networking on the beaglexm.
[16:30] <ppisati> GrueMaster: network works here
[16:30] <ppisati> GrueMaster: dunno about audio
[16:30] <ppisati> GrueMaster: on the othert hand, while updating this morning i noticed latest kernel hangs before mounting root
[16:30] <ppisati> GrueMaster: did you try it?
[16:30] <ppisati> 3.2.0-18.28
[16:31] <GrueMaster> I have had spotty network at best.  I usually have to unplug, plug in the network cable several times to get it working.
[16:31] <ppisati> GrueMaster: works immediately here
[16:31] <ppisati> rev c and rev a
[16:31] <GrueMaster> I am just waking up.  Haven't even really started anything yet.
[16:31] <ppisati> k
[16:31] <ppisati> GrueMaster: when you are caffeinated enought, tell me which kerbnel version were you running
[16:31] <GrueMaster> I have a rev b beaglexm.  It has had these issues for 2 cycles now.
[16:32] <ppisati> 3.2?
[16:32] <GrueMaster> I documented everything in bug 925094 and bug 838200.
[16:32] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 925094 in linux "No audio on omap (beagleXM) system" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/925094
[16:32] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 838200 in u-boot-linaro "No network support on Beagle XM" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/838200
[16:32] <GrueMaster> <IP_ADDRESS> iirc.  I pulled from git.
[16:33] <ppisati> latest one is 3.2.0-18.28
[16:33] <ppisati> but it seems it's broken
[16:33] <ppisati> previous one -17.27 should be ok
[16:39] <GrueMaster> Well, it worked in my build of it.  Must be a patch since Friday?
[16:45] <ppisati> GrueMaster: i'm booting off the sd FWIW
[16:45] <GrueMaster> Same here.  I just added my kernel to the Beta 1 image.
[16:46] <smplman> GrueMaster: im running 3.2.9 from https://github.com/RobertCNelson/stable-kernel , good results
[16:46] <smplman> on my xm rev b ATM
[16:47] <GrueMaster> smplman: We are using the mainline kernel, not a hacked up version.  We really want to be as close to main as possible.  Eventually, the omap4 kernel will also be done this way.
[16:48] <ogra_> you wish :)
[16:48] <GrueMaster> I am well aware of other working kernels.  The test image that ships with the XM works perfectly, but not all of it is upstream.
[16:48] <GrueMaster> ogra_: well, I did say eventually.
[16:48] <smplman> GrueMaster: I understand, just trying to help
[16:48] <ogra_> yeah, it will take years until the DSS code goes upstream
[16:48] <hrw> janimo, ogra: can you endorse me on my motu application? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarcinJuszkiewicz/DeveloperApplication-MOTU
[16:58] <Riddell> ogra_, GrueMaster: ok here is loading with oneiric successfully and with precise unsuccessfully http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/arm/
[16:58] <Riddell> there's not much in the diff
[16:59] <Riddell> could it be just not showing on the monitor in precise?
[16:59] <Riddell> I have a full power supply now
[17:00] <ogra_> looks like the bootloader runs fine
[17:00] <smplman> Riddell: omapfb missing maby?
[17:00] <Riddell> smplman: I have no idea what that is
[17:01] <ogra_> smplman, thats compiled in
[17:01] <ogra_> Riddell, it would help to get the kernel bootmessages (which we supress by default)
[17:01] <Riddell> ogra_: how can I do that?
[17:02] <ogra_> Riddell, open the boot.scr from the first partition of the SD card in vi
[17:02] <ogra_> delete the garbage (u-boot header) in the beginning
[17:02] <ogra_> then edit the cmdline in that file and save it as boot.script
[17:02] <smplman> Riddell: what image are you using?
[17:03] <Riddell> smplman: ubuntu desktop precise beta 1
[17:03] <Riddell> omap4
[17:03] <GrueMaster> ppisati: I am uploading my kernel .deb to http://people.canonical.com:~tobin/linux-image-3.2.0-18-omap_3.2.0-18.28_armhf.deb for you to try.  Should be available in ~12 minutes.
[17:03] <ogra_> Riddell, you will then need to install u-boot-tools to get the mkimage command
[17:04] <smplman> is omap4 backwards compatible with omap3?
[17:04] <GrueMaster> Actually, save it back as Env.txt and reboot.  Newer u-boot should be able to take it from there.
[17:04] <GrueMaster> ogra_: Riddell ^^^
[17:05] <ogra_> oh, i didnt know we got that bit from zupstream working nowadays
[17:05] <ogra_> smplman, no
[17:05] <ogra_> different arches
[17:05] <Riddell> ogra_: the whole of the first line is garbage?
[17:06] <smplman> i know the xm is omap3
[17:06] <ogra_> well, the stuff vim doesnt show properly :)
[17:06] <Riddell> GrueMaster: so don't save it as boot.scr but as Env.txt ?
[17:06] <ogra_> Riddell, right
[17:06] <ogra_> and put it on the first partiton of the SD
[17:07] <Riddell> ogra_: and what do I need to do with mkimage?
[17:07] <ogra_> not sure, you might need to remove boot.scr from that partition
[17:07] <ogra_> Riddell, if Env.txt works you dont need it at all
[17:07] <GrueMaster> Yes.  Strip the u-boot header (garbage at the beginning), then remove the quiet & splash lines on the bootargs and add "console=ttyO2,115200 console=tty0".
[17:07] <ogra_> else you would need it to add the header back to the file
[17:08] <Riddell> "[    5.272796] panic occurred, switching back to text console"  ouch
[17:08] <ogra_> hrw, done btw
[17:09] <Riddell> how can I get minicom to save to a file?
[17:09] <ogra_> ctrl-a+h
[17:09] <Riddell> ogra_: that saves it?
[17:09] <ogra_> that should give you the list of commands ... there is some way to use a logfile
[17:10] <Riddell> that hangs up
[17:10] <ogra_> i never used logging, i just scoll back in my terminal in screen and copy/paste that
[17:11] <Riddell> this is giving me a bit too much output to do that
[17:11] <GrueMaster> Riddell: Use "screen /dev/ttyUSB0 (or shat ever the serial port on your pc is), then use screen's logging capabilities.
[17:12] <ogra_> yeah
[17:12] <Riddell> aah
[17:18] <GrueMaster> ppisati: My kernel is up if you want to test it.
[17:19] <Riddell> GrueMaster, ogra_ http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/arm/ubuntu-precisebeta1-armhf-noquiet
[17:20] <Riddell> [    4.463867] EXT3-fs (mmcblk0p2): error: couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features (240)  ?
[17:20] <GrueMaster> odd indeed.
[17:21] <infinity> Did we misplace ext4 support somewhere? :P
[17:21] <infinity> I'm assuming 240 is an ext4 feature flag.
[17:21]  * infinity looks.
[17:21] <ogra_> it just loops over the ext filesystems usually
[17:21] <ogra_> thats a red herring
[17:21] <infinity> Yeah, 240 is an ext4 feature.
[17:22] <GrueMaster> Something doesn't sound right with his image.  I tested all (and I do mean ALL) images for beta 1 on multiple systems.
[17:22] <ogra_> it should be trying ext4 next ... not sure why it doesnt
[17:22] <infinity> Riddell: Is that a fresh precise install, or something hacked up and/or upgraded?
[17:23] <Riddell> infinity: installed like this  sudo sh -c 'zcat ./ubuntu-12.04-beta1-preinstalled-desktop-armhf+omap4.img.gz |dd bs=4M of=/dev/mmcblk0 ; sync'
[17:23] <Riddell> which works fine for oneiric
[17:23] <ogra_> did you let it finish the resize on first boot ?
[17:23] <Riddell> ogra_: I don't know, I had no output
[17:23] <ogra_> if it was interrupted it indeed might corrupt your fs
[17:23] <infinity> You have no monitor connected?
[17:24] <Riddell> infinity: I do have a monitor connected.  it does not show anything with precise
[17:24] <infinity> Wrong port?
[17:24] <infinity> Is it HDMI or DVI?
[17:24] <infinity> (Yes, people mess this up all the time)
[17:24] <infinity> The HDMI port is the one next to the ethernet.
[17:24] <GrueMaster> Do you have the monitor on the HDMI port (closest to the USB ports).
[17:24] <infinity> ie: Not the one on the outside of the board.
[17:24] <Riddell> I have a DVI monitor plugged into the DVI port which worked fine with oneiric
[17:25] <ogra_> might have changed with the new kernel version
[17:25] <ogra_> try HDMI :)
[17:25] <infinity> Ahh, kay.  Something may have broken DVI.  I only ever test with HDMI (cause it's all I have the cabling for)
[17:25] <Riddell> I have no HDMI monitor
[17:25] <infinity> HDMI TV?
[17:25] <ogra_> just plug the DVI into the HDMI port
[17:25] <Riddell> I have no TV
[17:25] <ogra_> should work fine
[17:25] <infinity> ogra_: That really shouldn't work.
[17:25] <infinity> ogra_: But I'd be curious to see if it does.
[17:26] <ogra_> or was it the orther way round ?
[17:26] <ogra_> it wont do any harm either way though
[17:26] <infinity> True.
[17:26] <GrueMaster> infinity: Yes, it should.  hdmi is the same signal as DVI-D.
[17:27] <infinity> Riddell: Also, despite all protests to the contrary, you can just zcat foo.img.gz > /dev/whatever
[17:27] <infinity> Riddell: The dd is entirely pointless.
[17:27] <ogra_> right, i thought so
[17:27] <infinity> GrueMaster: Yes, HDMI is a superset of DVI-D, but it also intentionally leaves out (in many implementations) lots of the possible resolutions.
[17:27] <ogra_> infinity, using a 4M blocksize speeds up the writing
[17:28] <infinity> GrueMaster: If that's the case on the omap4 kernel (or at the hardware level), I have no idea.
[17:28] <GrueMaster> I don't know if the dvi port on panda will work w/o the TI drivers (not in FB w/o kernel parameters).
[17:28] <ogra_> i know i used the HDMI port of my monitor with a HDMI cable plugged into the DVI port in the past ...
[17:29] <GrueMaster> But signal wise, an HDMI port can connect to a DVI monitor just fine.
[17:29] <ogra_> but i dont think i ever tried the other way round
[17:29] <infinity> The other way around really shouldn't work.
[17:29] <infinity> But HDMI->DVI will work, if it supports the resolutions you need.
[17:29] <GrueMaster> The only thing that will be missing is HDMI audio.
[17:29] <infinity> The audio channels just go off into la-la land.
[17:30] <GrueMaster> And DVI->HDMI works the same way.
[17:30] <infinity> Anyhow.
[17:30] <infinity> Riddell: Using the HDMI port may well make things happy.
[17:30] <Riddell> I gathered :)
[17:30] <Riddell> remaking the image on the SD card
[17:30] <infinity> Or, we could discuss it more. :P
[17:30] <GrueMaster> As long as it is all digital.  DVI also supports analog (but that is a different discussion and irrelevant to this discussion).
[17:31] <ogra_> infinity, awesome idea !
[17:36] <GrueMaster> Riddell: I relooked at your kernel output (above).  Why is "rootfstype=ext3" in the kernel cmdline?
[17:36] <GrueMaster> That isn't normal in our images.
[17:39] <damian0815> hey ubuntu-arm, ld is complaining that 'main.o uses VFP registers, a.out does not'
[17:40] <damian0815> i'm compiling main.cpp with -mfpu=vfp + other args. how can i convince ld that a.out should use VFP registers also?
[17:47] <Riddell> GrueMaster: I have no idea
[17:47] <Riddell> I just used a normal image with the edited boot command edited to remove quiet
[17:48] <GrueMaster> Well, since we use ext4 images, that line would have given you issues.
[18:02] <GrueMaster> Riddell: Was this the Ubuntu beta 1 or Kubuntu Beta 1?
[18:05] <Riddell> GrueMaster: Ubuntu Desktop Beta 1
[18:06] <GrueMaster> Ok.  Checking here, I see no indications of where "rootfstype=ext3" could have come from, unless it is in u-boot and you didn't use the boot.scr.
[18:06] <GrueMaster> Your console log above was started after u-boot had booted.
[18:07] <Riddell> GrueMaster: I didn't use the boot.scr after I saved it to Env.txt
[18:07] <GrueMaster> Did it load the Env.txt?
[18:08] <Riddell> dunno reformatting the SD card and trying again
[18:08] <GrueMaster> Oh, wait.  I think I see what is happening.  u-boot only looks for the uImage & uInitrd lines in Env.txt.  I was told it works the same as boot.scr.
[18:10] <GrueMaster> So nix the Env.txt idea.
[18:11] <GrueMaster> At any rate, you should have video on hdmi.
[18:16] <infinity> damian0815: That sounds like you're using -mfloat-abi=hard on an armel system.
[18:16] <infinity> damian0815: Which will only work if you link with gcc as well (or pass the right bits to ld), since ld won't magically do what you think it should.
[18:16] <infinity> damian0815: Alternately, run armhf if you want armhf. ;)
[18:17] <damian0815> infinity: thanks for the reply
[18:17] <damian0815> infinity: i am in fact linking by calling gcc
[18:17] <damian0815> infinity: i guess gcc isn't telling ld to do the right thing?
[18:17] <infinity> damian0815: On which release is this?
[18:17] <damian0815> infinity: 10.10
[18:17] <infinity> Oh, yeah.
[18:18] <infinity> That's almost certain to just plain not work.
[18:18] <damian0815> rightoh
[18:18] <steev_> what is this install RELEASE shortcut that's started showing up on my shortcut bar (and how do i get rid of it?)
[18:18] <steev_> clicking on it just gives me a crash in ubiquity
[18:18] <damian0815> i'm installing 11.10 as we speak. was avoiding before due to lack of omap-extras-graphics.
[18:18] <infinity> Besides, even if you compiled your application as hardfloat, if it links to anything else, it won't work.
[18:18] <steev_> (it's still rotating circle on collecting info)
[18:18] <infinity> damian0815: Install precise/armhf if you want hard-float.
[18:19] <infinity> damian0815: You'll like it better than oneiric anyway.
[18:19] <GrueMaster> Riddell: The ubuntu beta 1 image works for me on a non-hdmi DVI monitor here, so you "should" have no issues.  If you still do, we can figure it out.
[18:19] <Riddell> GrueMaster: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/arm/ubuntu-precisebeta1-armhf-using-hdmi
[18:19] <Riddell> that's ubuntu beta 1 with a dvi monitor plugged into the HDMI port
[18:19] <Riddell> I'm awaiting instructions :)
[18:19] <damian0815> infinity: what's the status of SGX drivers in precise?
[18:20] <steev_> er, this is interesting.  so ubiquity is crashing with IOError in main() Errno 2, No such file or directory: '/proc/2058/oom_score_adj'
[18:20] <steev_> why would ubiquity crash because oom_score_adj doesn't exist?
[18:21] <GrueMaster> Riddell: This is normal so far.  You see nothing on screen?
[18:21] <Riddell> GrueMaster: nothing
[18:21] <infinity> damian0815: As I understand it, it's all working in the tiomap-dev/trunk PPA.
[18:21] <GrueMaster> (not serial console, but on the monitor).
[18:21] <GrueMaster> And you have a proper power supply now?
[18:21] <Riddell> GrueMaster: I do
[18:21] <infinity> damian0815: But depends on installing the 3.1 kernel from the oneiric PPA.
[18:21] <infinity> damian0815: (That will be resolved soon)
[18:22] <damian0815> infinity: super. i'll see how i go with oneiric. i'm trying to build a straightforward enduser experience for openFrameworks (C++ art+code toolkit)
[18:22] <GrueMaster> Monitor is using an HDMI->DVI cable and no other conversions?
[18:22] <infinity> damian0815: Sure.  oneiric should work fine.  But just stop trying to pass whacky float options to the compiler.  Stick with the defaults and your life won't be pain. ;)
[18:23] <infinity> damian0815: (But, like I said, precise/armhf will treat you better than oneiric/armel, except for the bit where it's not quite done yet)
[18:23] <damian0815> infinity: heh. thx.
[18:23] <GrueMaster> Riddell: Monitor is using an HDMI->DVI cable and no other conversions?
[18:24] <infinity> steev_: Is /proc mounted at all?
[18:24] <Riddell> GrueMaster: HDMI-DVI adaptor and DBI cable to monitor
[18:25] <GrueMaster> Ok.  Wanted to make sure there were no DVI->VGA adapters in the mix.
[18:25] <GrueMaster> Do you have another device with HDMI out that you know works?
[18:27] <GrueMaster> It is also possible that your cable only handles DVI-A (VGA), although those are rare.
[18:27] <Riddell> GrueMaster: I have no HDMI devices no
[18:27] <GrueMaster> No PS3 or XBox?
[18:27] <Riddell> no
[18:27] <Riddell> GrueMaster: this setup works fine for oneiric
[18:28] <GrueMaster> The oneiric image works?  Now that is odd.
[18:29] <Riddell> yes
[18:30] <GrueMaster> Out of curiosity, what rev board is this?
[18:32] <Riddell> GrueMaster: how do I find out?
[18:33] <GrueMaster> Sticker on the bottom?
[18:34] <Riddell> GrueMaster: Rev A1
[18:35] <GrueMaster> Panda or PandaES?
[18:36] <GrueMaster> I'll look at my stacks and see which is an A1 so I can try to reproduce it here.
[18:37] <Riddell> GrueMaster: Model: PandaBoard Rev A1
[18:38] <GrueMaster> Ok.  I have one (I have one of each and then some).  I'll try it here.  Works fine on PandaES and Panda A3 so far.
[18:38] <shadeslayer> infinity: ping
[18:39] <shadeslayer> infinity: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtwebkit-source/+bug/945393 << Any ideas how to fix? (/usr/bin/ld: final link failed: Memory exhausted)
[18:39] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 945393 in qtwebkit-source "qtwebkit-source version 2.2.1-1ubuntu2 failed to build on armhf" [High,Confirmed]
[18:44]  * micahg wonders if it's worth filing a toolchain bug for https://launchpadlibrarian.net/95446439/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-armel.chromium-browser_17.0.963.65~r124586-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[18:48] <GrueMaster> Riddell: I can't seem to reproduce your issue here at all.  Give me a minute and I will send you a replacement boot.scr for debugging.
[18:49] <Riddell> GrueMaster: thanks
[18:51] <GrueMaster> Did it get through the first boot ok?  Easiest way to check is to look at the sd card in your desktop and see if the second partition fills the SD.
[18:52] <Riddell> GrueMaster: I think it did but I've since reformatted it ready for your new boot.scr
[18:53] <GrueMaster> Ok.  One sec then.
[18:55] <GrueMaster> I have to flash it fresh to an SD then modify it.  Takes the same time as uncompressing/loop mounting.
[19:00] <infinity> shadeslayer: It's on my TODO, but no, I don't have any immediate ideas right now.  I have a few things on the go.
[19:01] <infinity> micahg: I wouldn't bother, personally.
[19:02] <GrueMaster> Riddell: http://people.canonical.com:~tobin/boot.scr
[19:02] <GrueMaster> Download it and copy directly to partition 1 (fat partition) overwriting existing boot.scr.
[19:02] <micahg> infinity: ok, well, if there isn't a way to work around it then, Chromium on arm in the stable releases looks slim
[19:03] <GrueMaster> And make sure screen is set to log before powering on the panda.
[19:03] <GrueMaster> I need food, will return shortly.  Pastebin the console log (or save it somewhere).
[19:03] <infinity> micahg: I'm much more interested in the LTS anyway, but if we have a spare moment, we can look at the oneiric FTBFS.
[19:04] <micahg> well, we're 2 hours (build time) closer to havign armhf work, armel already works in precise
[19:04] <Riddell> GrueMaster: what changed?
[19:08] <Riddell> GrueMaster: when I run screen /dev/ttyUSB1 I just get junk output and it causes minicom to get junk output to
[19:11] <GrueMaster> Works fine here.
[19:12] <Riddell> ogra_: not at cebit are you?
[19:13] <ppisati> GrueMaster: which u-boot/x-loader version do you have with beaglexm? and which cmdline do you use?
[19:14] <ogra_> Riddell, nope, 150km south of it
[19:14] <Riddell> ogra_: you couldn't ship yourself and your office to hannover or Bielefeld for tue/wed/thu could you, just to help me? :)
[19:16] <ogra_> Riddell, hmm not really, what are you doing at CeBIT ?
[19:17] <Riddell> see cebit
[19:17] <Riddell> seeing cebit
[19:17] <Riddell> I've never seen it before
[19:17] <ogra_> ah
[19:17] <ogra_> i have been to each since i was 16
[19:18] <ogra_> but not since i work for canonical
[19:18] <ogra_> <- grew up in hannover
[19:18] <Riddell> too many travelling days for UDS et al? :)
[19:19] <ogra_> nah, just no interest, i moved south a few years before starting ubuntu stuff, havent been back often
[19:19] <ogra_> if i go, i just do it to visitn my parents, but thats not more than a few hours (though i love hannover, but all friends i had there moved to berlin or elsewhere)
[19:22]  * ogra_ is off for the evening
[19:31] <Riddell> GrueMaster: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/arm/ubuntu-precisebeta1-armhf-using-tobiins-boot.scr
[19:35] <Riddell> GrueMaster: now I'm getting a very jumbled login prompt http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/arm/ubuntu-precisebeta1-armhf-using-tobiins-boot.scr-login
[19:35] <Riddell> from the serial
[19:35] <Riddell> nothing on monitor
[19:36] <davidhayesbigtoe> hello
[19:37] <davidhayesbigtoe> can anyone direct me to any ubuntu ARM's that might be able to run on the new rasberrypi's?
[19:40] <rcn-ee> the rasberrypi is an arm11 "armv6" core, ubuntu's current minimal arch for supported dist is "armv7-a"....
[19:40] <Riddell> "use debian"
[19:41] <davidhayesbigtoe> rcn-ee damn..
[19:42] <davidhayesbigtoe> i guess i would've found that out had i read more on the man for the pi. i haven't bought one yet as they first B boards haven't even shipped yet.. but i heard about it 3 days ago and i'm excited and would like to get my hands on one. so i'm trying to plan my assault on the thing the moment it arrives..
[19:42] <davidhayesbigtoe> Riddell i was hoping for ubuntu or slax... but i digress...
[19:44] <davidhayesbigtoe> i know there is bt ARMS for android phones.. but obviously an HTC incredible is much more powerful than a pi and i think it uses v11? idk..
[19:46] <rcn-ee> the htc incredible is a QSD8650, armv7-a core..
[19:47] <davidhayesbigtoe> yea..
[19:47] <davidhayesbigtoe> ARM cortex-A15 cpu
[19:48] <davidhayesbigtoe> for my specific phone.. using the armv7 arch.. anyhow. i know my phone HAS the capability to handle 720p/1080p but is not enabled by default?
[19:48] <rcn-ee> ah, no.. currently no "cortex-A15" cores are shipping yet.. But shorty.. ;)
[19:48] <davidhayesbigtoe> i need to root and crack this baby open
[19:48] <rcn-ee> usually. 720p/1080p video is handled by a video coprocessor..
[19:49] <shadeslayer> davidhayesbigtoe: you can boot debian tho
[19:49] <rcn-ee> (the rasperby pi's core has the same feature, that's why they can show it doing video..)
[19:49] <davidhayesbigtoe> blah.. i'm dumb.. the successor to the current scorpion chip i have.. the S4 SoC has the cortex cores
[19:49] <shadeslayer> also, I'm waiting for my RasPi as well
[19:49] <davidhayesbigtoe> rcn-ee yea, i know that's why i want a pi
[19:49] <davidhayesbigtoe> lol
[19:49] <davidhayesbigtoe> but i also wanna fully crack open my dINC1 now that my contract is up and i'm do for a new phone
[19:50]  * shadeslayer has a voucher code, but no way to redeem the voucher
[19:50] <davidhayesbigtoe> i wanna integrate the pi and the droid together.. maybe use it for touch screen display on the pi
[19:50] <davidhayesbigtoe> hah
[19:52] <shadeslayer> http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/qtonpi/2012-March/000215.html ... :(
[19:54]  * davidhayesbigtoe :-(
[19:54] <davidhayesbigtoe> i didn't even order
[19:54] <davidhayesbigtoe> i put myself on the mailinglist and sent an inquiry
[20:07] <danboid> How do I install 12.04 (nightly or beta) on my pandaboard?
[20:08] <danboid> I've booted a recent nightly and modified it to show a serial console but I dunno how to log in to it- username/password?
[20:08] <danboid> I've tried ubuntu with no password or ubuntu as password too with no luck
[20:11] <danboid> There don't seem to be any headless OMAP4 builds of Precise yet, which is what I'd use if I could get some
[20:13] <infinity> danboid: s/headless/server/
[20:13] <infinity> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily-preinstalled/current/
[20:15] <danboid> infinity, Aha! Thanks v much!
[21:24] <pbuckley> Kernel /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.1 does not match your subarchitecture
[21:24] <pbuckley> omap4, therefore not writing it to flash.
[21:24] <pbuckley> got this on this morning's apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:26] <infinity> pbuckley: And where did that kernel come from?
[21:26] <infinity> pbuckley: It's not a distro kernel.
[21:26] <pbuckley> hrmm it might have picked it up from ti's repo
[21:26] <pbuckley> ill let you know once it finishes
[21:27] <infinity> dpkg -S /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.1
[21:28] <infinity> And it wouldn't be from TI's PPA, they're building 3.1
[21:28] <pbuckley> nm.. i must have built it
[21:28] <pbuckley> its not showing up in dpkg
[21:29] <infinity> Yeah, I suspected as much.
[21:29] <infinity> If you want flash-kernel to play nicely with local kernel builds, just tack an -omap4 extraver on the end of them.
[21:29] <infinity> Cause we do machine type to subarch mapping to make sure Bad Things don't happen if someone installed a kernel package for another subarch.
[23:33] <CodeWar> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootfsFromScratch
[23:34] <CodeWar> What in God's name are you guys using to build that kernel,  if I replace it with my own kernel it says rootfs not found. Is there a driver MMC perhaps you guys bake in there?
[23:34] <CodeWar> :-)
[23:44] <pbuckley> i just use the ubuntu tools for building a kernel
[23:44] <pbuckley> let me get you a link
[23:44] <pbuckley> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[23:47] <CodeWar> pbuckley, thanks let me read that wiki, if there is a .config file you have somewhere that would be very useful too
[23:51] <GrueMaster> CodeWar: What platform are you building a kernel for?
[23:51] <CodeWar> GrueMaster, vexpress-a9 running on QEMU
[23:52] <CodeWar> I can build zImage and load run and have fun with NFS boot all I want but booting off qemu img never worked for me. It appears to work for you guys so diffing whats different :-)
[23:54] <GrueMaster> I know nothing about the vexpress build or running on qemu, but I believe we have a vexpress kernel in the pool.
[23:55] <CodeWar> can you point me to the .config file for whatever kernel works successfully on QEMU?
[23:55] <CodeWar> thats all I m looking for anyways :-)
[23:57] <GrueMaster> Not easily.  Either pull the deb package or use the kernel git tree from the link pbuckley pasted.  I think the omap kernel is what is used for qemu.
[23:59] <mythos> hmm... not versatile? :o


[07:38] <Patero-ng> que tal
[12:52] <lvc4> hi xD
[12:52] <lvc4> sry
[12:52] <lvc4> iḿ newbe on ubuntu
[12:52] <lvc4> and try to install studio
[12:53] <lvc4> i find a sudo commend on wiki but nothing happens
[12:53] <cfhowlett> !details | lvc4
[12:53] <lvc4> ok sry than i need a moment and thanks fpr the informatioen
[12:54] <lvc4> i install with term and commend ubuntu studio, how i start it now=?
[12:54] <cfhowlett> reboot
[12:55] <lvc4> ok i find a programm icon with the name ubuntu studio meta installer than can i choose some packages did i need that?
[12:55] <lvc4> ?
[12:56] <cfhowlett> lvc4, in a terminal: sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-desktop
[12:56] <cfhowlett> that will get all US packages
[12:57] <lvc4> thats what i do ^^
[12:57] <lvc4> so i only need to reboot
[12:57] <cfhowlett> lvc4, right
[12:58] <lvc4> ok thanks a lot i came back if all right or got some problems
[13:06] <lvc4> ok it works, i got a new desktop xD
[13:06] <cfhowlett> lvc4, congratulations
[13:13] <lvc4> are u using ubuntu for music or do you know another channal where i can speak with some guys they use it for music?
[13:13] <lvc4> ubuntu studio*
[13:13] <cfhowlett> lvc4, #opensourcemusicians
[13:14] <lvc4> thanks again
[13:14] <cfhowlett> happy2help lvc4
[13:15] <lvc4> but its allways good to say thanks the community of ubuntu its so amazing thats why i leave win and if i work long enough on ubuntu/linux i support too new guys
[19:35] <lvc4> Hey Guys got a big problem
[19:37] <lvc4> i install ubuntu studio, now i cant play 2 programms like audacity and ardour 3 one of them lose the sound.. and the second problem; firefox dont have sound anymore why?