[01:36] <poolie> spiv after yesterday i want to write an auto bug deduper
[01:41] <spiv> What happened yesterday?  The symlinks-on-windows bug?
[03:13] <RAOF> lifeless: But of courset.
[03:14] <lifeless> so, you got 'could not connect to launchpad' ?
[03:14] <RAOF> “Please try again. Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server.”
[03:15] <lifeless> spm: ^
[03:15] <lifeless> spm: ha proxy queue size?
[03:15] <wgrant> Which URL?
[03:15] <lifeless> apport bug filing
[03:16] <wgrant> edge or production?
[03:16] <wgrant> After entering the description?
[03:16] <RAOF> wgrant: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+filebug/36e2e3cc-bedc-11df-98f4-0025b3df357a
[03:16] <RAOF> After entering description & hitting “submit bug”
[03:16] <spm> lifeless: 0 still
[03:17] <wgrant> OK, so it's the issue I was poking at last week.
[03:17] <lifeless> wgrant: have you filed a bug on this?
[03:17] <wgrant> No. I should.
[03:17] <lifeless> !!!!
[03:17] <wgrant> This one has lots of attachments, as expected.
[03:19] <RAOF> Is it likely to work later?
[03:20] <wgrant> I guess this is probably the only situation in which an appserver does upwards of 1000 INSERTs in a single transaction.
[03:20] <wgrant> Uh. Maybe.
[03:20] <wgrant> It apparently does occasionally work.
[03:21] <wgrant> I've never seen it work, though.
[03:21] <wgrant> RAOF: I believe the issue is the number of attachments in the apport blog.
[03:21] <wgrant> Removing most of them, or not using apport, will alleviate the issue.
[03:22] <RAOF> Ok.
[03:22] <RAOF> I filed a nearly-identical bug a couple of days ago, and that worked.
[03:22] <RAOF> It did have exactly one fewer attachments, though.
[03:23] <lifeless> 1000
[03:23] <lifeless> wtf
[03:23] <lifeless> wgrant: whats going on there
[03:25] <thumper> ??
[03:36] <wgrant> lifeless: Each attachment generates a BugNotification.
[03:36] <wgrant> lifeless: Each BugNotification generates a BugNotificationRecipient for all notified users.
[03:37] <wgrant> Which is slightly over 50.
[03:37] <wgrant> And the apport blob referenced there has 20ish attachments.
[03:38] <lifeless> holy mother of f****
[03:38] <lifeless> thats terible.
[03:38] <wgrant> It was designed back before apport existed... when each transaction could add at most one attachment.
[03:38] <wgrant> It still sucks.
[03:38] <wgrant> But it's less utterly OMFGworthy.
[03:39] <lifeless> can we just consolidate them ?
[03:39] <lifeless> the error received is particularly weird
[03:39] <lifeless> spm: and when you say 0 you're looking in the grey line, not the appserver-lines, right ?
[03:39] <wgrant> So, we should probably get a LOSA to watch staging.
[03:39] <wgrant> Since we can reproduce it there;
[03:40] <wgrant> And work out if the appserver is returning an error, or what.
[03:40] <wgrant> Since it comes back too quickly to be a timeout.
[03:40] <spm> losa(1) are kinda busy atm. watching is not something I have vast spares of right nooo
[03:40] <wgrant> Heh.
[04:59] <lifeless> wgrant: ok, so how do we fix this
[04:59] <lifeless> wgrant: I'm assuming that any package with many subscribers will fail consistently.
[05:09] <wgrant> lifeless: We need to first work out going wrong.
[05:09] <wgrant> I'm hoping that somebody just recently applied an INSERT limit to appserver DB users... that would be convenient.
[05:09] <wgrant> But sadly unlikely.
[05:09] <wgrant> (yes, we should reduce the query count... but there's something deeper going on here)
[05:10] <wgrant> It's easily reproducible on staging and lpnet.
[05:10] <lifeless> so, have you filed ze bug?
[05:10] <wgrant> Was considering it.
[05:10] <wgrant> Will do so now.
[05:10] <lifeless> wgrant: I'm amazed that you haven't. You normally are so effective at recording issues.
[05:11] <wgrant> Yes, but this issue is very unclear.
[05:11] <lifeless> I don't see how the lack of a place to discuss it makes it clearer
[05:11] <wgrant> Nowadays I tend to diagnose before I file, with LP bugs.
[05:11] <wgrant> But this one's too deep.
[05:11] <lifeless> bad habit to be in :)
[05:11] <wgrant> Shh.
[05:12] <lifeless> oh hahahhahha
[05:12] <lifeless> timeout.txt was so badly confused its not even slightly funny
[05:12] <wgrant> Hm?
[05:13] <lifeless> db_statement_timeout is in ms
[05:13] <lifeless> there is a test that sets it to '10'
[05:13] <lifeless> and then asks for the current timeout value, expecting it to be < 5
[05:14] <lifeless> yes, it will be < 5.
[05:14] <lifeless> but 10ms is apparently not enough to get through 5 lines of doctest.
[05:14] <lifeless> reliably.
[05:14] <lifeless> the newer timeout code which is a little more... robust, blew up.
[05:14] <wgrant> Haha.
[05:16] <lifeless> oh
[05:16] <lifeless> and hahahhahahha
[05:17] <wgrant> Oh?
[05:18] <lifeless> we don't record all timeouts apparently
[05:19] <lifeless> because RequestExpired (used by the google search service timeout) doesn't record a timeout
[05:19] <wgrant> Hah.
[05:19] <lifeless> I may  be wrong
[05:20] <wgrant> Bug #636801
[05:20] <lifeless> am testing ze theorem now
[05:20] <wgrant> I thought everything was RequestExpired.
[05:20] <wgrant> But I haven't looked at that machinery in a while.
[05:20] <lifeless> TimeoutError
[05:20] <wgrant> Oh, right.
[05:20] <lifeless> They both implement IRequestExpired or some such
[05:21] <lifeless> anyhow -> #lp-dev
[05:24] <lifeless> wgrant: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-foundations/+bug/636804
[05:24] <Laibsch> what's up with launchpad?  It's almost completely unresponsive.  edge is a little better but still almost completely unusable.
[05:24] <lifeless> Laibsch: what page?
[05:24] <Laibsch> all
[05:24] <Laibsch> ;-)
[05:25] <lifeless> its pretty fast for me
[05:25] <lifeless> can you tell me more
[05:25] <Laibsch> I'm in China currently if that makes any difference
[05:25] <lifeless> are you on edge or lpnet
[05:25] <Laibsch> but I can use tsocks to get around that
[05:25] <lifeless> has it ever been faster for you in china before?
[05:25] <Laibsch> http://launchpad.net
[05:25] <Laibsch> that page will take several minutes
[05:26] <lifeless> that will do a redirect to https
[05:26] <lifeless> I just visited https://launchpad.net/ - it was a bit slow, it took 4 seconds.
[05:26] <lifeless> I'm in NZ
[05:26] <Laibsch> yes, usually it's been fairly responsive
[05:28] <Laibsch> how about https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/411241 ?
[05:28] <lifeless> 4 seconds
[05:28] <lifeless> NetworkManager crashed with SIGSEGV in strlen()
[05:28] <Laibsch> launchpad.net itself actually loaded up in about 10-15 seconds, so somewhat usable
[05:29] <Laibsch> Ok
[05:29] <lifeless> serverside that page took 'At least 126 queries/external actions issued in 2.40 seconds'
[05:29] <Laibsch> thank you for confirming
[05:29] <Laibsch> Chinese internet sucks
[05:29] <Laibsch> :-/
[05:29] <wgrant> LP is being unusually fast for me.
[05:29] <lifeless> wgrant: not unusual.
[05:30] <lifeless> you've just reminded me to check the dbr
[05:30] <lifeless> 30% reduction in DB load
[05:30] <lifeless> by doing the rollout
[05:30] <wgrant> Huh.
[05:30] <wgrant> That's handy.
[05:31] <wgrant> Are we back on the slaves?
[05:31] <wgrant> I recall we were not last night.
[05:31] <lifeless> we are yes
[05:32] <lifeless> wgrant: as we get more /efficient/ we'll gain speed on the backend because of less noddy queries
[05:32] <lifeless> wgrant: which will help everything.
[05:33] <wgrant> Yep.
[05:33] <lifeless> most of the stuff I've been doing and encouraging others to do is about efficiency.
[05:33] <lifeless> <- cunning planner
[08:39] <hrw> hi
[08:40] <hrw> can someone help me with this? https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/armel-cross-toolchain-base/1.46/+build/1955387 - package got build but failed to upload and 'duplicated ancestry' says nothing to me
[08:40] <wgrant> hrw: That normally means that the source had its overrides changed just before the build finished.
[08:41] <hrw> wgrant: which means?
[08:41] <geser> wgrant: I don't see any promotion/demotion of that package in LP. It was the first and only upload
[08:41] <wgrant> That appears to not be the case here, however.
[08:42] <hrw> it is my first ubuntu uploaded package - previous version worked in ppa but many changes in between has made
[08:42] <wgrant> Indeed.
[08:42] <wgrant> So it's not the usual cause.
[08:42]  * wgrant digs.
[08:42] <lifeless> wgrant: file a bug, second time i've seen this
[08:42] <lifeless> first time I had no idea what was up, and was friday I think.
[08:42] <wgrant> There is already a bug for the other case.
[08:43] <wgrant> But not this one.
[08:43] <wgrant> That codepath is to be removed, fortunately, which will render the bugs obsolete.
[08:45] <wgrant> Oh.
[08:46] <wgrant> I think I see the problem.
[08:46] <wgrant> Yes.
[08:46] <wgrant> Remember how I told you last time that what you were doing was really bad?
[08:46] <wgrant> This time it's actually wrong too :P
[08:47] <wgrant>  Source: armel-toolchain-base (1.46)
[08:47] <wgrant> The source name is armel-cross-toolchain-base, not armel-toolchain-base.
[08:47] <wgrant> hrw: ^^
[08:47] <hrw> ok, thx
[08:47] <hrw> I missed that part
[08:47] <hrw> will fix and grab sponsor to upload next ver
[08:48] <wgrant> Why are you specifying that manually at all?
[08:49] <hrw> wgrant: my package uses gcc-4.5/eglibc/binutils/linux -source packages to build them for armel/cross with dpkg-buildpackage. so I have to dpkg-repack them to give proper Source: field value
[08:49] <wgrant> Ugh.
[08:52] <hrw> yeo
[08:53] <wgrant> What's so special about the armel cross-compiler that you can't do what other archs do?
[08:53] <wgrant> eg. like binutils-h8300-hms
[08:54] <wgrant> It's ugly, sure. But it doesn't require much evil.
[08:55] <hrw> binutils is not a problem
[08:56] <hrw> but gcc cross is as it needs eglibc-cross which needs gcc-cross
[08:56] <hrw> so I do full bootstrap of cross compiler in armel-cross-toolchain-base+armel-cross-toolchain packages
[08:57] <wgrant> I wonder how gcc-h8300-hms works, then...
[08:57]  * wgrant looks.
[09:02] <fta> (4th try) please kill https://edge.launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa/+build/1952454
[09:05] <wgrant> lamont: ^^
[09:07] <danilos> jtv, henninge: hello, no internet again here
[09:08] <jtv> danilos: where is here?
[09:08] <jtv> and how are you talking to us?
[09:32] <Fauli> Hi
[09:32] <Fauli> I am the "owner" of the project page of Gentoo Linux in Launchpad.
[09:34] <Fauli> I disabled bug managment, but I get a mail for every bug in Launchpad that is linked to bug in the Gentoo bug tracker.  Now I enabled it and I can see all the bugs, but the supervisor and security contact fields are empty.  How can I get rid of all those notifications?
[09:36] <wgrant> Fauli: When you set a bug supervisor, they are by default notified of bugs, but can unsubscribe. When there's no bug supervisor set, the owner is notified, and cannot unsubscribe.
[09:37] <wgrant> Fauli: So you can set the bug supervisor to yourself, then unsubscribe at https://launchpad.net/gentoo/+subscribe
[09:37] <wgrant> This is a bit strange, but it should work.
[09:37] <Fauli> wgrant: Thanks, but even if bug tracking is disabled?
[09:38] <wgrant> I believe that just affects whether new bugs can be filed.
[09:38] <wgrant> At the moment, at least.
[09:40] <Fauli> wgrant: Thanks.
[09:47] <wgrant> Fauli: Bug #636918
[09:50] <glatzor> hello I broke my aptdaemon branches performing an upgrade. How can I fix this?
[09:50] <glatzor>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/bzrlib/fetch.py", line 249, in generate_root_texts
[09:50] <glatzor>     graph = self.source_repo.get_known_graph_ancestry(revs)
[09:50] <glatzor> AttributeError: 'Inter1and2Helper' object has no attribute 'source_repo'
[09:50] <glatzor> this is why the upgrade failed
[09:51] <glatzor> Now I cannot branch from the launchpad repositories anymore: ~/Entwicklung/aptdaemon$ bzr branch lp:aptdaemon
[09:51] <glatzor> bzr: ERROR: The branch lp:aptdaemon has no revision None.
[09:52] <glatzor> using sftp to connect to the repository is possbile but I am not allowed to rename the backup.bzr to .bzr
[09:52] <spiv> glatzor: which version of bzr?
[09:52] <glatzor> 2.2.0
[09:53] <spiv> Hmm, this bug rings a bell.  Perhaps due to a plugin, or something?
[09:53] <glatzor> spiv,The upgrade failed using Debian Sid and on Ubuntu
[09:53] <spiv> Anyway, to upgrade a branch on Launchpad it's simplest to use the link on the branch's page on Launchpad
[09:53] <glatzor> spiv, I tried it from a nearly fresh installed Ubutnu
[09:53] <spiv> Then Launchpad does all the work for you :)
[09:54] <spiv> I guess it's a bzr bug then, please file a report :(
[09:54] <glatzor> spiv, what about my branches?
[09:54] <glatzor> spiv, should I remove them and re-upload?
[09:54] <spiv> as far as restoring your branch, you should be able to rename the .bzr to something else (broken.bzr perhaps?) then rename backup.bzr to .bzr
[09:55] <glatzor> spiv, no I get a permissiondenied
[09:55] <glatzor> I tried sftp and hitchiker
[09:55] <spiv> (I forget exactly what the file naming restrictions were, but I thought maybe they got relaxed)
[09:55] <spiv> Ah,
[09:55] <spiv> Ok, try renaming to .bzr to .backup.bzr
[09:55] <wgrant> I think backup.bzr.~1~ should work.
[09:55]  * wgrant checks.
[09:55] <spiv> Which is definitely an allowed name (for older bzrs)
[09:55] <spiv> Or wgrant's suggestion
[09:55] <wgrant> .bzr.backup will work too.
[09:56] <glatzor> wgrant, spiv .bzr.backup.~1~is already the name of the backup from before upgrading
[09:56] <spiv> Well, .bzr.backup.~2~ then ;)
[09:59] <doko_> so what is this about lp not closing bug reports anymore on uploads?
[09:59] <wgrant> doko_: A case-sensitivity bug.
[09:59] <wgrant> jelmer: ^^
[10:02] <glatzor> wgrant, spiv: sftp> rename .bzr backup.bzr.~3~
[10:02] <glatzor> Couldn't rename file "/~aptdaemon-developers/aptdaemon/main/.bzr" to "/~aptdaemon-developers/aptdaemon/main/backup.bzr.~3~": Permission denied
[10:02] <wgrant> glatzor: Ahem. ~1~ and ~2~ are hardcoded; ~3~ and up will not work.
[10:04] <spiv> wgrant: !
[10:04] <glatzor> wgrant, and how to delete recursivly?
[10:04] <spiv> glatzor: lftp is an sftp client that can do that, so is nautilus
[10:04]  * spiv -> afk
[10:04] <wgrant> lftp is pretty nice.
[10:05] <spiv> glatzor: the other trick is to move it into directory under .bzr (or under backup.bzr...)
[10:07] <doko_> wgrant, jelmer: will the uploads after this bug be post-processed? not so nice tracking bugs targeted for the release ...
[10:08] <wgrant> doko_: It's fixed in trunk, not sure how the cherrypick is going.
[10:08] <wgrant> Reprocessing them is hard, but I don't know if there any plans there.
[10:08] <wgrant> bigjools: ^^?
[10:09] <doko_> wgrant: when was this introduced?
[10:09] <jelmer> doko_, wgrant: We're on our daily call, sorry for the slow response.
[10:09] <wgrant> doko_: The release last Thursday.
[10:09] <jelmer> doko_: The bug was introduced with the last Launchpad rollout.
[10:09] <glatzor> spiv, who long does an upgrade take if performed by Launchpad?
[10:10] <bigjools> doko_: it's best if you close them yourself for now
[10:17] <glatzor> spiv, thanks. I managed to repair it and filled a bug against bzr.
[11:36] <spiv> glatzor: thanks for filing the bug!
[12:10] <lamont> wgrant: smacked
[12:10] <wgrant> lamont: Thanks.
[12:50] <randomusername> hi there
[12:50] <randomusername> can someone provide me the current status of launchpad login case #00012729?
[12:58] <maxb> randomusername: Hi. The relevant people who can help are most likely to be found on #canonical-isd (that's for login stuff only)
[13:00] <randomusername> maxb: thanks maxb
[13:00] <randomusername> I'll goto that channel then
[15:05] <Ddorda> hey guys, how do i connect my user in launchpad?
[15:05] <Ddorda> for some reason i can login only d-dorda and not ddorda
[15:07] <maxb> So, you have login problems on one account, but not the other, and would like to merge them?
[15:08] <maxb> My suggestion is that you may want to not do that, and try to get someone to figure out what's currently broken with your ~ddorda account before you merge anything
[15:24] <jelmer> maxb: Thanks for handling those KDE imports
[15:25] <maxb> hi
[15:25] <jelmer> maxb: That locking issue is getting a bit annoying :-/
[15:25] <maxb> we really need a solution to "determining revprop revisions" running for > 24 hours
[15:25] <maxb> One of them spend 31 hours figuring out what to fetch, then one hour fetching 5000 revisions of it
[15:27] <maxb> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~neon/kdepim/trunk is going to be running for another week, I reckon :-/
[15:27] <maxb> based on it needing 9 batches of 5000 to complete
[15:30] <jelmer> I'm quite surprised that step is necessary actually
[15:30] <jelmer> don't the KDE server and Launchpad  both run svn >= 1.5 ?
[15:34] <maxb> Depends.... has Lucid arrived in the datacentre?
[15:36] <maxb> Hmm, I'm no longer seeing the "WARNING Upgrade to Subversion 1.5 or later..." in the import logs, so maybe. Regardless, it's still doing "discovering revprop revisions", though
[16:04] <SEJeff_work> Is it on the roadmap to do inter lp sync?
[16:05] <SEJeff_work> ie: If I'd like to setup a lp instance for some project, but have some federation or at least a way to sync bugs between them?
[16:35] <maxb> SEJeff_work: I'm fairly certain the answer is no.
[16:35] <SEJeff_work> I'd like to setup a gnome lp instance
[16:35] <SEJeff_work> To play with
[16:35] <SEJeff_work> But last time I asked about it, I was discouraged
[16:35] <SEJeff_work> Is that still the case?
[16:35] <maxb> That's still the official line, yes
[16:36] <SEJeff_work> So when is that going to change so lp can be a real oss project?
[16:36] <SEJeff_work> Is that even a year out on the roadmap?
[16:36] <maxb> Never?
[16:37] <SEJeff_work> I mean what is even the point of being open source if you discourage people from using it?
[16:38] <maxb> I've not heard any indication that Canonical wants to do things differently - they seem quite firmly behind launchpad-the-service, not launchpad-the-software
[16:38] <SEJeff_work> This isn't intended to flame. I'd really like to setup lp for gnome to see what it would work like
[16:38] <beuno> SEJeff_work, I think the main point is for people to be able to contribute to launchpad.net, fix bugs, audit security, etc
[16:38] <beuno> SEJeff_work, you could bring it up in the -dev mailing list  :)
[16:38] <maxb> Actually, I can't see how it would be advantageous to have a separate gnome lp
[16:38] <SEJeff_work> It almost seems like a charade
[16:38] <jelmer> maxb: perhaps the cache still has the revisions without the revision properties from when we were running svn 1.4
[16:38] <maxb> It would seem to be needlessly divisive
[16:38] <jelmer> maxb: After the first run they should be filled in then though
[16:38] <SEJeff_work> maxb, Easy, not depending on canonical/ubuntu specific things
[16:39] <SEJeff_work> I'd like to make git a first class citizen in lp. Right now it is not
[16:40] <SEJeff_work> Since the concepts of one dvcs to another transfer over fairly well (except bzr is easier to use than git) there is no reason it couldn't better support git. I'd like to do that for lp to work better for an env that doesn't use bzr much
[16:40] <maxb> jelmer: hmm. possibly. Though, it still seems impressively slow even after quite a few attempts (at least one per importd host, I'd guess)
[16:40] <SEJeff_work> And because as an integrated solution, lp is the best project management software out there so kudos to the team!
[16:41] <jelmer> maxb: Yeah, I guess we're retrieving the revision properties manually each time but then not storing them in the cache for some reason.
[16:41] <SEJeff_work> maxb, Well gnome and canonical don't always want the exact same things. If both had lp, both could benefit
[16:45] <maxb> SEJeff_work: Well, partly. However, it would be difficult to make work. Some launchpad features are predicated on the fact that there is only one instance. Some are Ubuntu-specific. Some integrate with Canonical infrastructure. I can't see it working without a forked codebase, and I fear that such a codebase could be sustained.
[16:45] <Ddorda> can anyone check what's the reason i can;t lgin ddorda?
[16:46] <Ddorda> oh. nvrm
[16:46] <SEJeff_work> maxb, Thats perfectly understandable. However, my point was that we don't need those canonical specific features (soyuz or rosetta likely). It would be really nice to have an instance that we could setup for the things lp is really good at (bug tracking, blueprints, mailinglists, etc).
[16:46] <maxb> Ddorda: It sounds like some bug that's also affecting a few others.
[16:46] <Ddorda> maxb: the problem is that i'm logged in in onother browser
[16:46] <SEJeff_work> maxb, I guess I had the wrong idea when I thought lp was open source. It is only open source by definition, not by nature.
[16:48] <maxb> SEJeff_work: The code is open. But, the code is not written to be friendly to run yourself in production, and the image licence is an additional barrier to entry.
[16:48] <SEJeff_work> It is clear that you (and canonical) don't work well with others
[16:48] <SEJeff_work> I was just hoping that misnomer was incorrect
[16:49] <maxb> This is sad, because a decent Bazaar branch management webapp is something that Bazaar could really use, to enhance its corporate applicability
[16:49] <SEJeff_work> maxb, Agreed
[16:49] <beuno> SEJeff_work, that is an unfair statement that broad. This only applies to launchpad.
[16:49] <SEJeff_work> maxb, I'd love to use lp's branch management features for gnome git
[16:49] <SEJeff_work> It rocks
[16:50] <maxb> Once you get past the major pains of the image licence and the secrecy of production deployment information, I think you'll then have to struggle with the UI mismatch between bzr and git's branching concepts
[16:50] <SEJeff_work> beuno, Well a few people have already mentioned people that don't work well with upstream. I was trying to ignore all of the crap about that.
[16:50] <SEJeff_work> maxb, Sure, my point was that it could be extended
[16:50] <SEJeff_work> And both could potentially benefit
[16:50] <SEJeff_work> Which makes both rock more
[16:51] <SEJeff_work> who's to say that lp couldn't become equally as awesome for hosted git repos as github is?
[16:51] <SEJeff_work> It certainly has the potential
[16:51] <beuno> SEJeff_work, I'm sure that is true in all projects. We also have many more examples of the opposite. Please don't tie your frustrations with Launchpad's goals with rumors and FUD  :)
[16:52] <SEJeff_work> beuno, Sadly, those numbers aren't rumors. FUD certainly, but they are factually grounded
[16:52] <SEJeff_work> It just saddens me to realize that I can't setup lp for gnome
[16:52] <SEJeff_work> Because you discourage it
[16:52] <maxb> Well, I somewhat see Canonical's point on not being interested in Git. They'd have to commit a large amount of resource to hosting such a feature, or even just to review code changes that they didn't intend to use on lpnet.
[16:53] <beuno> yes, because then we get a billion bugzilla's, and we haven't improved collaboration across open source
[16:53] <SEJeff_work> beuno, Well to be fair, lp beat the crap out of gnome's bugzilla
[16:53] <maxb> Launchpad's bugtracker is a great example of a service which is awesome because there is exactly one of them.
[16:54] <SEJeff_work> I remember adding the iptables drop to gnome's bugzilla when lp.net was doing 5G xmlrpc requests to it and killing apache
[16:55] <SEJeff_work> bugzilla is legacy crufy software
[16:55] <SEJeff_work> For what it is, lp is pretty good
[16:56] <SEJeff_work> maxb, But why would you guys care if I wanted a good bugtracker for $insert_project and wanted to use your already awesome software for that?
[16:56]  * maxb would like to clarify that he's not a Canonical employee
[16:56] <SEJeff_work> note taken
[16:57] <SEJeff_work> Bugzilla is bad to compare directly against lp because it is legacy and less featureful
[16:57] <maxb> I do, however, see what I assume to be Canonical's viewpoint, which is that they don't want to spend time turning Malone into a packaged bugtracker, when their true interests lie in making an awesome software collaboration website.
[16:58] <SEJeff_work> maxb, Thats fair, but at the same time, not everyone wants to host everything on stuff they don't control
[16:58] <SEJeff_work> I could almost see a business model (for canonical) in lp appliances for enterprises
[16:58] <SEJeff_work> It certainly beats Jira
[16:58] <maxb> Oh, totally. I think several hours / month of Bazaar downtime it pretty poor, really
[16:59] <maxb> I certainly wouldn't recommend my company to keep code on Launchpad.
[16:59] <SEJeff_work> Exactly
[17:00] <SEJeff_work> And I wouldn't recommend that gnome host all of their code on lp unless we ran an instance ourself. I speak for myself only, but do manage the gnome servers
[17:00] <SEJeff_work> *ourselves
[17:01] <deryck> SEJeff_work, hi.  there's a lot of discussion here, but to be clear we don't discourage you from setting up your own instance of lp, not directly.  It's true our goals are to improve lp.net itself, but you're free to do what you wish with the code.
[17:01] <SEJeff_work> maxb, I've never seen an open source project where someone says, "Hey, your software rocks! I'd like to use it to do xys", and is told basically to go away.
[17:01] <SEJeff_work> deryck, At the same time, if the changes weren't blessed enough to eventually be merged, it would amount to a complete fork
[17:01] <SEJeff_work> which is a waste of everyone's time
[17:02] <deryck> SEJeff_work, true.  But that's any free software project's problem.  Nothing unique to our hosting of Launchpad there.
[17:02] <maxb> deryck: I think it's playing on technicalities to claim that Canonical doesn't discourage it, given the image licence, and the usual responses on launchpad-dev@ when someone brings up the idea of a separate instance
[17:03] <SEJeff_work> maxb, I asked months ago and just now the question vaguely along the lines of, "Can I setup an instance of lp for gnome.org". The response was basically, "no".
[17:04] <deryck> maxb, maybe that is the impression, but in terms of Launchpad being a legitimate open source project that prevents a user to use the code freely, I think we are legitimately free software.
[17:04] <SEJeff_work> Again, that is a technicality
[17:04] <SEJeff_work> Free to the letter, not the spirit completely
[17:04] <SEJeff_work> I'd like to enhance your software
[17:04] <SEJeff_work> You say politely go away
[17:05] <deryck> SEJeff_work, I don't know of anyone who said this.  If they did, then on behalf of the Launchpad project, I appologize.  We welcome and will consider any patch.
[17:06] <SEJeff_work> deryck, Thanks
[17:06] <deryck> SEJeff_work, at the same time, you have to agree that any project is free to accept or reject any proposed patch, no?
[17:06] <SEJeff_work> Of course
[17:06] <SEJeff_work> deryck, Again, I think lp is better software than bugzilla
[17:07] <SEJeff_work> And would love the idea of playing with it in place of bugzilla for gnome and see if I'd survive the resulting flamewar
[17:07] <SEJeff_work> But if the lp project officially discourages that idea it seems stillborn to try
[17:08] <deryck> I don't think we as a project are doing anything to prevent you playing with that idea, are we?  Our goals as a project are clear that we don't want to be a bugzilla replacement.  We want to coordinate between trackers, but please play and have fun and let us know how it goes.
[17:08] <SEJeff_work> We already host some servers in one of the canonical servers
[17:08] <SEJeff_work> We could run it on Ubuntu :)
[17:08] <deryck> it runs well on Ubuntu ;)
[17:08] <maxb> deryck: I think people have in the past defended the remit of launchpad-dev@ as only applying to the launchpad.net instance, which may be part of the cause of these feelings.
[17:08] <SEJeff_work> heh, I bet
[17:09] <SEJeff_work> deryck, So say I spend 3 months making lp speak native git and do branching and everything else with just as much cowbell as it does with bzr
[17:09] <SEJeff_work> Then you say I hate your idea, we'll never accept it. That leaves me in a difficult situation
[17:09] <SEJeff_work> Because you've already pretty much said not interested go away
[17:10] <maxb> deryck: Also, whilst I agree it's completely within Canonical's rights, and I'm greatful that any of LP is open, it's hard to see the image licence as anything other than a deliberate discouragement against other instances.
[17:10] <SEJeff_work> Absolutely. LP is a great service to all of the community. The fact big open source projects such as mysql use it is a testament to that fact.
[17:10] <maxb> SEJeff_work: In fairness, all of the Launchpad developer docs are quite emphatic about the idea of talking about features before you implement them
[17:11] <SEJeff_work> which is what I'm trying to do now
[17:11] <SEJeff_work> switching to bzr won't happen for gnome
[17:11] <SEJeff_work> so why not make lp fit git better? If we did the work and made it up to snuff, whats the problem?
[17:11] <deryck> maxb, I don't see this as blocking you running it locally, but if you do, it has to be clear it's not really launchpad.net.  How is that denying software freedoms?
[17:12] <SEJeff_work> maxb, Also, lp.net is a brand as much as Ubuntu. They just want to protect their brand
[17:12] <SEJeff_work> Which makes sense
[17:12] <deryck> We may not be able to agree on all this, and I need to run to a call, but I want to be clear that we welcome any discussion and any contribution.
[17:12] <SEJeff_work> deryck, Alright. Thanks for your time
[17:12] <maxb> deryck: It's an effective deterrent to casual experimentation - you have to commit yourself to a rebranding project before you can consider doing anything
[17:13] <deryck> maxb, sure.  But it's a compete website after make run.  Other sites don't do that, do they? ;)
[17:13] <deryck> Even if they are quite heavy into OSS contributions.
[17:13] <deryck> Anyway, I have a call.  Thanks for the discussion with me.
[22:48] <Laney> is auto bug closing still broken?
[23:29] <thumper> Laney: auto bug closing due to what?
[23:29] <Laney> uploads
[23:29] <thumper> Laney: I'd ask one of wgrant, bigjools, StevenK, or noodles
[23:29] <thumper> Laney: some of whom aren't on right now
[23:30] <Laney> I guess you just did that for me. Wasn't too concerned to ping loads of people — could have just dug up the bug
[23:31] <wgrant> Laney: It's still broken, yes.
[23:31] <wgrant> Fixed in trunk, but I don't know when it will be out on production.
[23:31] <Laney> thanks


[12:12] <filipegarcia> why there isn't a image of mobile 9.04 ?
[15:56] <evanrmurphy> hi all
[15:57] <evanrmurphy> new to Ubuntu MID, is the project still active? (I notice the latest images are for Intrepid, not Jaunty.)
[17:19] <evanrmurphy> hello?
[23:56] <patriconway> is it possible to run mid on a palm centro?
[23:56] <patriconway> ubuntu mid


[03:30] <valorie> good ole rsync works for me
[03:30] <valorie> and it's quick
 Hey guys I'm trying to upgrade from 19.04 to 19.10. But no new ubuntu release found.
[04:59] <valorie> @arjun_soni - not a guy, but you will need to: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[04:59] <valorie> because the upgrade switch hasn't been flipped yet for Ubuntu
 @valorie, Thia
 @valorie, This
[04:59] <valorie> ?
[05:00]  * valorie just did a backup and upgrade earlier this evening
 @valorie, I tagged your comment and upvoted it with "This" on Telegram, you won't see tagging probably because you are on IRC
[05:01] <valorie> ok
 @valorie, 👍🏻
[05:01] <valorie> I am on Tg but not right now
[05:01] <valorie> I prefer IRC when possible
 @valorie, Thanks
[05:03] <valorie> you are very welcome
[05:03] <valorie> have fun with it!
[05:03] <valorie> I immediately added backports and got Plasma 5.17
[05:03] <valorie> :-)
 Kubuntu is great, but lags on my Lapc whenever I flash it on SSD
 Works excellent on USB
[05:05] <valorie> well now that's weird
[05:05] <valorie> flash it?
[05:05] <valorie> or install it
 @valorie, Well, installing, but in Android terms, flashing is equivalent even for onboard storage
[05:30] <valorie> hmmm
[05:31] <valorie> Kubuntu isn't designed or tested for that
[05:32] <valorie> there are people who install kubuntu onto a large thumb drive with persistence, so that they can use random computers
[05:32] <valorie> for instance people traveling the world
[05:32] <valorie> it isn't fast though
[05:33] <valorie> @princeofclay is there some reason you don't want to just install on your laptop in the usual way?
 @valorie, No
[05:35] <valorie> ok
 Btw there's a weird problem in latest LTS.
 Touch isn't detected
[05:35] <valorie> well, it's 1.5 years old
[05:36] <valorie> my travel lappy is touch, and it works well, and has for years
 @valorie, Ahh, so better to get 19.10?
[05:36] <valorie> that's what both of my laptops are on
[05:37] <valorie> personally I never advise the LTS unless stability is your most important quality
[05:38] <valorie> businesses often choose the LTS
[05:38] <valorie> but I'm unsure why the average person would
[05:38] <valorie> upgrading every 6 months isn't difficult
[05:38] <valorie> took me less than an hour
[05:39] <valorie> if I had a separate $HOME I could have done a fresh install in 15 mins
 @valorie, I chose it because I'm new to Linux. And I thought the non LTS is something like Android Beta or Windows Insider Programme
 Not for serious use
[06:02] <valorie> ah!
 Just for freelance testers
[06:02] <valorie> our betas are that, for sure
[06:03] <valorie> and it's true that although we test test test, that for the LTS our sole aim is reliability and stability
[06:03] <valorie> since we have to support it for years
[06:03] <valorie> whereas we can try out new things in between
[06:03] <valorie> but we never put out anything without multiple rounds of testing
 @valorie, This approach is good
[06:21] <valorie> in all the years I've been running Kubuntu (over 10) I've had very few problems
[06:21] <valorie> and the other users here always help me out of them, even when I caused them myself
[06:21] <valorie> :-)
[08:26] <Guest5636> Hi,
[08:26] <Guest5636> I've got a problem with xorg ( I guess ). I was using egpu and everything was fine till it wasn't. Now I am at a point when egpu is unplugged, nvidia drivers purged yet still can't switch to native 1366x768 of a laptop scrren.
[08:28] <Guest5636> Login manager starts in the correct resolution but desktop envirorment starts in insufferable 660x540.
[08:29] <Guest5636> *it's 960x50
[08:30] <lordievader> Egpu?
[08:30] <lordievader> What graphics card are you using, and what driver are you using for it?
[08:30] <Guest5636> lordievader: yup, some old nvidia plugged into adapter and connected via express card.
[08:31] <Guest5636> Ah one sec.
[08:31] <lordievader> Sounds complicated
[08:32] <Guest5636> zotac on nv 630 driver - thou as I said - it's unplugged, nvidia drivers purged and all I want for now is to get the correct laptop resolution.
[08:33] <lordievader> Right, so the laptop has an integrated (Intel?) card as well?
[08:34] <Guest5636> Yes.
[08:38] <lordievader> Could you pastebin the out of `sudo lspci -k` and `cat /proc/cmdline`?
[08:50] <Guest5636> lordievader: will try - let me grab the other machine - typing from different laptop.
[08:57] <enkeyz> hey guys: just installed from 19.04 to 19.10, and I have one small problem: the new Chromium browser(v77) doesn't respect GTK cursor theme
[08:57] <enkeyz> any solution to this?
[08:58] <enkeyz> Only Chromium, in VSCode it works fine
[09:00] <enkeyz> (and in other GTK apps)
[09:03] <Guest19615> lordievader: https://pastebin.com/tU5v2NxN
[09:03] <Guest19615> ( epgu guy )
[09:05] <lordievader> That looks alright
[09:08] <lordievader> I get the feeling the resolution is configured somewhere, rather than auto detected. You could try what this guy has done: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=228721
[09:11] <Guest5636> <3
[09:11] <Guest5636> xrandr did the trick.
[09:11] <Guest5636> Thanks.
[09:11] <Guest5636> Still wandering why kde prevents from getting there.
[09:13] <enkeyz> So looks like only Chromium from snap have GTK theme issues
[09:14] <enkeyz> (just built it from source)
[09:16] <enkeyz> I wonder who thought snap will be fun for 19.10, it's just awful
[10:17] <ignacio_> alguien sabe como poner en marcha filezilla server?
[10:18] <ignacio_> he seguido las instrucciones pero no hay manera
[10:19] <ignacio_> Warning: FTP over TLS is not enabled, users cannot securely log in.
[10:19] <ignacio_> este es el mensaje que recibo
[10:29] <tomreyn> !es | ignacio_
[10:31] <tomreyn> generally, if you don't strictly depends on the ftp protocol, i would recommend using http or sftp (ssh) instead.
[12:08] <Guest82927> On a board I attend someone just posted his xorg ( kubuntu 18.04 ) is running from root. Just checked mine and
[12:08] <Guest82927> ps -ef|awk 'BEGIN { IGNORECASE=1 } $0 ~ /xorg/ && ! /awk/'
[12:08] <Guest82927> root      1031  1029 11 13:36 tty1     00:03:04 /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg -nolisten tcp -auth /var/run/sddm/{1fa7fbc3-3ff3-4e15-a4d9-5b5a
[12:09] <Guest82927> Is this normal?
[12:22] <tomreyn> hmm, it runs as (my) restricted user on my 18.04 with gnome-shell
[12:25] <tomreyn> Guest82927: ^ but indeed X runs as root on kubuntu 19.04 as well
[12:33] <Guest82927> tomreyn: any reason for the shift from unprivileged user you know of?
[12:34] <tomreyn> Guest82927: i don't know how sddm and kde work under the hood, so can't really comment.
[12:36] <tomreyn> also, i'd just assume that kubuntu's X always ran as root and it's just not shifted to a restricted user configuration, yet (so i don't see a move from restricted back to root, as your question seems to suggest).
[12:44] <Guest82927> Maybe so. Thanks for input.
 This is offtopic guys, but is MX Linux rigging to top position?
 Its definitely Top 25,but no. 1 seems a huge stretch.
 If its really at the top, what Kubuntu can include from it to increase users
[13:07] <tomreyn> princeofclay: yes, this is off-topic, as you seem to know well, so this discussion doesn't seem to belong here.
[13:08] <tomreyn> (maybe it's ok on the forums?)
[13:35] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
 Hello! The Kubuntu website says upgrade to 19.10 from 19.04 is available. Running the command says 'no update release'. Third party info says update until 1 St point release!? ???
 @Anarchotaoist, Where does it say it is available?
[13:40] <OerHeks> iso's are available..
 Upgrading from 19.04 … Detailed upgrade instructions can be found here: [Kubuntu 19.04 to 19.10 Upgrade](https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EoanErmine/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu)
[13:41] <OerHeks>  there is no upgrade path yet, use  "update-manager -c -d"  option for now, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EoanErmine/ReleaseNotes
[13:41] <OerHeks> or you beter wait a few days, tuesday maybe
[13:42] <xbfrog> what happens tue?
 The announce,ents and release notes point to: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EoanUpgrades/Kubuntu
[13:42] <OerHeks> this delay is normal, for years, it gives us some time to detect upgrade issues, so please report any!
 @RikMills, Which says: "There may a delay of a few hrs to days between the official release announcements and the Ubuntu Release Team enabling upgrades."
 No-where does it say upgrades are available NOW
[13:44] <OerHeks> omgubuntu ( and others) should be more clear about this..
[13:56] <BluesKaj> if you want to upgrade by the cli just run sudo do-release-upgrade -d , since the package manager is obviously mucked up
[13:57] <BluesKaj> make sure to update and upgrade the existing 19.04 packages first tho
[14:00] <tomreyn> and probably to ppa-purge all PPAs which could get in the way, and to run apt-forktracer.
[14:12] <BluesKaj> tomreyn, what's apt-forktracer ?
[14:13] <tomreyn> !info apt-forktracer
[14:15] <tomreyn> BluesKaj: it's similar to what the foreign_packages wrapper script (around apt-show-versions) at https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts/#foreign_packages does, but it's included in ubuntu, and usually good enough, so i'm rather recommending this for now.
[14:17] <BluesKaj> I see
[14:17] <BluesKaj> thanks
[14:17] <tomreyn> it's all about detecting packages and package versions which apt doesn't know how to handle, and which have no tested upgrade paths
 @Franzpow, Can someone please answer me? Thank you
[14:19] <tomreyn> BluesKaj: maybe you know the answer to a question raised by soemone else here earlier (which i couldn't answer): why does Xorg on kubuntu run as root when some of the other falvours have it running as a restricted user?
[14:20] <BluesKaj> tomreyn, no idea
[14:20] <tomreyn> Franzpow: it's okay to repeat your question occasionally, such as after 8 hours.
[14:21] <tomreyn> i'll help, but it was cut off:
 Hey, yesterday I had the same problem as you updating from terminal to 19.10, so I did this instead. … I searched for: …  ubuntu-release-upgrader-qt_19.10.15_all.deb … So I added: … deb http://cz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu eoan main universe … After that I updated every package on Discover. Now it says that I have kubuntu 19.10. … Did I make a mistake? Will my system blow up soon? It's like I updated everything manually bu
[14:22] <tomreyn> BluesKaj: ok, i assume it's probably just not possible kde-wise, yet
[14:22] <tomreyn> (but i'm really clueless there, too)
 @tomreyn> <Franzpow, I just wrote this yesterday more than 24hrs ago but I did not receive an answer.. So I asked here another time (now)
[14:24] <BluesKaj> tomreyn, I used to do some Xorg.conf editing back in the day when ATI gpus required it, but that was a long time ago
 This is the missing part  … "Did I make a mistake? Will my system blow up soon? It's like I updated everything manually but I am wondering if I did it right.."
[14:25] <tomreyn> Franzpow: cool. i'm just saying it's good to repeat the question occasionally since people join and leave. 19.10 upgrades are not supported, yet.
 @tomreyn, Oh ok I did not understand properly what you were saying
[14:25] <tomreyn> BluesKaj: autoconfiguration was really a great improvement.
[14:26] <tomreyn> Franzpow: no worries ;)
[14:29] <tomreyn> Franzpow: so the way you upgraded is not how it should be done. it may still have worked out okay but there's a good chance your system configuration differs from a fresh 19.10 installation now in ways beyond the changes you made on purpose. it may be desirable to backup and do a fresh installation sometime in the not so distant future.
[14:30] <tomreyn> Franzpow: is there an immediate error situation you're trying to solve now?
[14:37] <lh_><PHONE_NUMBER>2
[14:40] <lh_> Хорошо живет на свете винипух)
[14:44] <BluesKaj> !ru | lh_
 @tomreyn, Fortunately no. It's working right now.. I am still testing it.
 Someone suggested me this on AskUbuntu: … sudo apt -f install
 I did that and uninstalled some packages
 clockwise and counterclockwise rotation are reversed in the KDE Display Settings Module. where to report this?
[15:08] <cybercrypto> hi there, is the upgrade path from kubuntu 19.04 to 19.10 already release? (I meant upgrade without forcing it).
[15:09] <cybercrypto> so far, the release-update is returning 'no new release found'
[16:14] <tomreyn> cybercrypto: upgrades to 19.10 are not enabled, yet.
[16:15] <tomreyn> alias check19.10="wget -qO- http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release | grep -q '^Dist: eoan$' && echo 'Upgrade to 19.10 is now available' || echo 'Upgrade to 19.10 is not available, yet.'
[16:15] <tomreyn> then run: check19.10
[16:16] <tomreyn> !bug | bauchhaus
[16:17] <tomreyn> Franzpow: you should probably ensure that all apt sources at /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*} are now pointing to 19.10, then:  apt update; apt -f install; apt upgrade; apt full-upgrade
[16:27] <blender_starter> Hi, i have installed Kubuntu with nvidia drivers
[16:28] <blender_starter> Drivers are installed but not in use
[16:28] <blender_starter> What to do?
[16:28] <blender_starter> Thanks in advance
[16:29] <tomreyn> how did you install them?
[16:30] <blender_starter> When installing a checked install proprietary drivers
[16:30] <blender_starter> Then i removed them (because they were not working) and installed again
[16:30] <tomreyn> i see. whihc kubuntu version did you install?
[16:30] <blender_starter> 19.10
[16:30] <tomreyn> when you reinstalled them, how did you reinstall them?
[16:31] <blender_starter> Sudo Ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[16:31] <tomreyn> hmm, okay, i'd expected this ti work. did you reboot afterwards?
[16:31] <blender_starter> When i run glxgears i get only 60fps
[16:31] <blender_starter> Yes
[16:31] <tomreyn> which graphics card is it?
[16:33] <blender_5d> I disconnected
[16:33] <blender_5d> Did you ask anything?
 which graphics card is it?
[16:34] <OerHeks> hi blender_5d did you ask anything?
[16:34] <blender_5d> Geforce gt 1030
[16:35] <tomreyn> i'm not really into nvidia but if that's a new one you might need to resort to the "ubuntu-drivers" PPA
[16:35] <blender_5d> How?
[16:35] <tomreyn> https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+index
[16:36] <blender_5d> Yeah but with which command?
[16:36] <blender_5d> Sorry i am newbie
 @tomreyn, I have 4 files.list how I check if they point to 19.10?
[16:38] <tomreyn> blender_5d: you may be new, but you can read, the page i pointed oyu to explains
[16:39] <blender_5d> Thanks i havent noticed
[16:39] <blender_5d> Ill try
 (Photo, 732x352) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/D6N0OxhH/file_19196.jpg
 This is what I have in the folder
[16:41] <tomreyn> Franzpow: 19.10 is known as "eoan", 19.04 is known as "disco". if you see "disco" in there, replace it by "eoan". my motivation to support you with this is limited because you picked an upgrade path (editing some apt sources, not using what's recommended in all (official) documentation) is unsupported
 I know but I really was unaware of this... I just thought that I had to download these updates to upgrade my Kubuntu with the official way. It was My error but I am new to this and I was not able to understand properly the instructions
 Now I will proceed to replace disco with eoan
 Thank you
[16:44] <tomreyn> you're welcome, good luck. and don't forget about the reamining tasks afterwards:
 Franzpow: you should probably ensure that all apt sources at /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*} are now pointing to 19.10, then:  apt update; apt -f install; apt upgrade; apt full-upgrade
[16:46] <tomreyn> it is possible that    "apt update" will already print warnings and errors, usually this is because third party apt repositories do not support the new release, yet. you can comment those apt source out and retry them in a wek or two.
[16:46] <tomreyn> *week
 @tomreyn> <tomreyn, Yes I won't forget it. Ubuntu it's awesome, it's like being aware of everything happens inside an OS for the first time. Thank you and to all the community
[16:46] <tomreyn> :)
 It makes me want to replace windows 10 on all my devices with Ubuntu
[16:48] <evgeny> hi.. can you give me advice please? when i load Kubuntu 18.04, there is Discover manages starts up. i do not configure it. i can not find out, where is set up of this.
[16:59] <evgeny> it's good for my system if i run in Konsole sudo apt-get dist-upgrade? Someone recommends me run it
[17:01] <tomreyn> evgeny: i had difficulties understanding your first questions. maybe you can rephrase it in some short sentences?
[17:02] <evgeny> tomreyn Hi. Every time i boot my system, there is opens Discover manager, how to disable this startup?
[17:03] <tomreyn> about your second question: unless you have manually edited /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*} to point your apt sources to a different (k)ubuntu release, or have third party repositories configured which will upgrade software to newer releases, it is always safe to run    sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade
[17:04] <tomreyn> evgeny: i think that if you close "discover" before you log off / shutdown it will not start up automatically upon login (unless there are pending updates)
[17:04] <evgeny> thank you :)
 @tomreyn, I think I replaced correctly all the repositories but for now I have 0 updates to do.
[17:53] <ohallot> Hello community.. I tried command "do-release-upgrade" to update my kubuntu but it returns "no upgrade available". Am I missing something? Is this command still supported? Thanks!
[17:54] <tomreyn> IrcsomeBot: good, that's all you could do for now, i guess.
[17:54] <tomreyn> Franzpow: ^
[17:54]  * ohallot wants to upgrade from 19.04 to 19.10
[17:54] <tomreyn> ohallot: upgrades to 19.10 are not enabled, yet
[17:55] <tomreyn> wait a couple days, keep trying. the command is correct, but add -c
[17:55] <tomreyn> (if you only want to check)
[17:56] <tomreyn> alternatively you can set this alias    alias check19.10="wget -qO- http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release | grep -q '^Dist: eoan$' && echo 'Upgrade to 19.10 is now available' || echo 'Upgrade to 19.10 is not available, yet.'"
[17:56] <tomreyn> and then run    check19.10
[17:57] <ohallot> tomreyn Thanks for the answer. !
[17:58] <tomreyn> you're welcome!
 @tomreyn, Ok thanks!
[18:09] <cybercrypto> tomreyn: thanks for the info. Do you know how long the upgrade is delayed, normally?
[18:10] <tomreyn> cybercrypto: usually less than a week.
[18:10] <tomreyn> Franzpow: you, too, are welcome!
[18:10] <cybercrypto> tomreyn: that sounds grat, thank you.
[18:11] <tomreyn> cybercrypto: :) pleasure. it's nice when people have some patience.
[20:08] <danila> Hello?
[20:09] <danila> Can anyone help me with some audio input problems? :)
[20:10] <tomreyn> !ask | hi danila, please
[20:11] <tomreyn> both ubottu and i are bad at debugging audio, though, i hope someone else can help
[20:15] <danila> Okay. So I just installed Kubuntu 19.10 and found out that no audio input devices are detected. My sound card is Xonar DG which kind of makes it tricky to figure out. Everything worked fine on Ubuntu 19.04, though
[20:21] <tomreyn> that's a CMI8786 chipset, driver is snd-oxygen
[20:22] <danila> Yep, it's selected for audio output and works just fine. But Audio Volume Settings don't display any input devices at all
[20:23] <tomreyn> does    cat /proc/asound/cards    list multiple cards?
[20:25] <danila> Yes. 3 items:
[20:25] <danila>  0 [DG             ]: CMI8786 - Xonar DG
[20:25] <tomreyn> sometimes sound chipsets / their drivers interfere with each other. but this is a far fetched guess really. i don't think i can help.
[20:25] <danila>                       C-Media Oxygen HD Audio at 0xc100, irq 18
[20:25] <danila>  1 [PCH            ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH
[20:25] <danila>                       HDA Intel PCH at 0xf7210000 irq 33
[20:25] <danila>  2 [NVidia         ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
[20:25] <tomreyn> !paste | danila
[20:26] <tomreyn> ubuntu: tell danila about sound
[20:26] <tomreyn> ubottu: tell danila about sound
[20:27] <tomreyn> that's all the two of us know.
[20:27] <danila> I see. Thank you
[20:58] <jordila> hi there Kubuntistas ... coming from XFCE lands... aiming at KDEneon taste: a KDE newbie glad to be here for the fest time, here. Am i in the right do you know if there is a specific KDEneon chat room ?
[20:59] <bprompt> I don't know for one
[21:00] <dax> #kde-neon, but that's more of a development channel not a support one (see its /topic)
[21:00] <jordila> nice to know


[01:37] <mhall119> YoBoY: yeah, lack of translations on launchpad are a sore spot
[01:38] <mhall119> but teaching everyone on earh English might be easier than internationalising launchpad's code
[01:40] <mhall119> just trust me, I've looked
[06:34] <YoBoY> mhall119: switching to https://login.ubuntu.com/ seems a better idea for me and much easier than translating LP
[06:34] <YoBoY> good morning
[11:34] <cjohnston> YoBoY: we get information from LP.. switching to login.u.c will screw it all up. How would we know what team someone beloings to?
[11:37] <YoBoY> cjohnston: don't know but can't we just use login.u.c for the users and have a synchronisation with the LP teams also ? I don't how LD works but are we pulling all the teams data on each user connexions ?
[11:39] <cjohnston> So what would we do if you don't have an LP account? And how would we know if you have an LP account? What would we assign as your user name, because we don't know if you have an LP account?
[11:39] <cjohnston> I believe it downloads the LP data at a set interval
[11:52] <YoBoY> cjohnston: LD is an OpenID consumer (actualy just LP OpenID consumer), only admins or team members who want to register events or change teams data have to connect with their LP account, the others to rsvp to the events, only need a name and an email provided by an OpenID connexion (login.ubuntu.com or other ones). Limiting the use to LP accounts is just a big barrier for most of the non english average users. It's my opinion
[11:54] <cjohnston> mornin Ronnie
[11:54] <Ronnie> mornin cjohnston
[11:55] <Ronnie> i saw you merged 2 branches :D
[11:55] <nigelb> *cough* *cough*
[11:55] <nigelb> login.ubuntu.com = login.launchpad.net
[11:56] <nigelb> Its the same thing, just diffrently looking
[11:56] <cjohnston> you dont have to have an lp account for login.u.c tho do you
[11:56] <cjohnston> did I merge another Ronnie ?
[11:56] <cjohnston> I approved the live data, but wanted a second opinion
[11:57] <nigelb> cjohnston: no clue, but when I login, I see the same info
[11:57] <cjohnston> dunno
[11:57] <Ronnie> ow wait 61304 is 2nd opnion. now i see
[11:58] <YoBoY> yes you can use a LP account to login on login.u.c but I don't know if creating an account on login.ubuntu.com also create an account on LP
[11:59] <cjohnston> it doesnt
[11:59] <cjohnston> i just created a test account
[12:01] <cjohnston> YoBoY: another problem with that is that say you register with SSO, then all of a sudden you decide you want to create an account... now you either don't know how or still have to create an lp
[12:09] <cjohnston> I have a couple things that I don't know how to do. :-/
[12:12] <daker> nigelb, yeah but l.u.c doesn't accepet request from <IP_ADDRESS> like LP
[12:13] <cjohnston> that's another thing
[13:03] <cjohnston> Ronnie: whatcha got goin on today?
[13:15] <mhall119> merry christmas eve to everyone
[13:16] <cjohnston> hey mhall119 !
[13:17] <mhall119> login.lp.net is just a facade for login.u.c
[13:17] <mhall119> at least, that's what the lp devs tell me
[13:18] <cjohnston> more merge requests for you mhall119 ;-)
[13:19] <mhall119> yay?
[13:19] <mhall119> it's an early christmas present!
[13:19]  * mhall119 drinks his coffee instead
[13:19] <cjohnston> lol
[13:19] <cjohnston> yup
[13:19] <cjohnston> boo!
[13:19] <cjohnston> im drinking and coding
[13:20] <cjohnston> drinknig coffee
[13:21] <cjohnston> my merge request will be easy ;-)
[13:22] <cjohnston> the import-live-data stuff is cool!
[13:23] <mhall119> it sure is
[13:27] <cjohnston> be even cooler when you approve it :-P
[13:41] <cjohnston> mr. destructo is here destroying stuff mhall119 (also known as the two year old)
[13:42] <mhall119> heh
[13:42] <mhall119> mine are about to drive me nuts this morning
[13:43] <cjohnston> lol
[13:43] <mhall119> hyper, grumpy, climbing all over me
[13:43] <mhall119> playing with everything in the house except their own toys
[13:43] <cjohnston> peyton broke a clock thingie that ive had for about 8 years that I gave to Paige when she was born
[13:43] <mhall119> :(
[13:44] <daker> oh!!
[13:44] <mhall119> quinn's laying on me arm while I'm trying to type
[13:44] <cjohnston> I don't care, but I feel sorry for Paige cause she is sad.. I had no connection to it...
[13:44] <cjohnston> lol
[13:44] <cjohnston> hey daker
[13:44] <mhall119> reading everything I write
[13:44] <cjohnston> wanna do some reviews? lol
[13:44] <cjohnston> :-P
[13:44] <cjohnston> Hi Quinn!
[13:45] <mhall119> he's more interested in why my channel numbers are different colors
[13:45] <cjohnston> Teach him to review python/django code
[13:45] <mhall119> lol
[13:45] <cjohnston> lol
[13:45] <daker> \o/
[13:45] <mhall119> he does python in Laby
[13:45] <cjohnston> sweet
[13:45] <daker> cjohnston, pls not now, i'll do it on the weekend
[13:45] <cjohnston> he prolly knows more than I do
[13:45] <mhall119> after I taught him that, he used "def" as a word in scrabble
[13:45] <cjohnston> daker: :-)
[13:45] <cjohnston> awesome
[13:47] <mhall119> okay, I promised them I'd make muffins, bbl
[13:47] <cjohnston> I want muffins
[13:47] <cjohnston> Tell Michelle I said hi
[13:47] <mhall119> will do
[13:47] <mhall119> you guys have a good christmas
[13:47] <cjohnston> You too.. Mine will be at the station
[13:47] <mhall119> :(
[13:48] <mhall119> your thanksgiving was at the station too wasn't it?
[13:48] <mhall119> how do you manage to get all the holidays?
[13:48] <cjohnston> The way it works is the year you get one, you get all
[13:48] <mhall119> ah
[13:48] <cjohnston> "A" Shift gets 2 of four years, B and C each get one
[13:48] <daker> poor cjohnston
[13:49] <mhall119> lucky A
[13:49] <cjohnston> daker: I grew up as a kid doing christmas at the fire station, so its all I've ever known
[13:52] <daker> cjohnston, i didn't know that you are working at the fire station ツ
[13:52] <daker> cjohnston, volunteer ?
[13:52] <cjohnston> Yup...
[13:52] <cjohnston> Nope.. Career
[13:54]  * daker stand up to show his respect to cjohnston
[13:54] <cjohnston> ty :-)
[13:56] <daker> and mhall119  ツ
[13:56]  * daker knows that mhall119 is jealous
[13:56] <cjohnston> lol
[13:59] <mhall119> jealous of not having to run into burning buildings?
[13:59] <mhall119> no
[13:59] <mhall119> not really
[14:00] <daker> \o/
[14:04] <daker> Whaoo new event http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/604/detail/
[14:11] <cjohnston> How is the comment form called on a team event
[14:11] <cjohnston> i dont get it
[14:14] <daker> i can't wait to apply for a membership
[14:16] <cjohnston> do it!
[14:19] <cjohnston> mhall119: I pushed a .pot yesterday... wow... looked like millions of changes
[14:21] <daker> cjohnston, testimonials  are welcome https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdnaneBelmadiaf
[14:22] <cjohnston> https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/loco-directory/meetings/+merge/44664
[14:22] <cjohnston> dont let that merge request stress yall out too much
[14:22] <cjohnston> lol
[14:23] <daker> \o/
[14:24] <cjohnston> when are you applying
[14:26] <daker> i don't know actually
[14:26] <daker> the wiki is not updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/EMEA
[14:39] <mhall119> cjohnston: pushing pot are ya?
[14:40] <cjohnston> hehe
[15:04] <czajkowski> cjohnston: mhall119 Merry Christmas http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/609/detail/
[15:04] <mhall119> czajkowski: :)
[15:04] <mhall119> merry christmas to you too, and glad you're home, safe and warm
[15:04] <czajkowski> thanks
[15:04] <czajkowski> been an eventful few weeks
[15:04] <czajkowski> just spent the day cooking, so happy now
[15:05] <cjohnston> yay! thank you czajkowski ! happy christmas!
[15:07] <czajkowski> I did tell ye I would do it once I had slept :) oh ye of litle faith
[15:08] <cjohnston> noone doubted you
[15:12] <cjohnston> mhall119: czajkowski http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/17/detail/ should we include the dates on that page for the team events? cause thats a whole lotta events that make it hard to figure out what to look for
[15:12] <cjohnston> like maybe include the start date
[15:13] <cjohnston> Ubuntu Hour Lake Forest, Lake Forest - Ubuntu California - $start_date
[15:13] <cjohnston> czajkowski: do you have time to move the ubuntu hours that are scheduled for next year into next years global event?
[15:15] <mhall119> cjohnston: try it and see
[15:17] <czajkowski> cjohnston: eh ?
[15:18] <cjohnston> if you look there are like 95 events... the event lasts for multiple days (in this case, a year)... if you are looking for an event to attend, you have to click each event in your area to find the one with a certain date
[15:33] <Ronnie> Merry chirstmas everyone :D
[15:34] <Ronnie> just played taxi for a few hours. got stuck 2 times :(
[15:37] <TrickyJ> Ronnie: welcome man
[15:37] <TrickyJ> merrychristmas all :)
[15:38] <Ronnie> cjohnston: i guess i have to time left to do programming. I guess it will be after christmas
[15:39] <TrickyJ> query Ronnie
[18:49] <TrickyJ> Hi all i wan ask some thing regards UBUNTU. In UBUNTU do we have any tool for solving maths equations ?
[18:49] <TrickyJ> like algebra geometry etc
[19:00] <jpds> TrickyJ: python?
[19:05] <TrickyJ> jpds: naaa.. I found couple of these
[19:06] <TrickyJ> jpds:  for example KAlgebra, Mathomatic :) I guess this is quite enough for me
[22:59] <TrickyJ> hey how can i access my ubuntu one folde r
[22:59] <TrickyJ> I've copied few stuffs in there like images
[23:02] <Nafallo> ~/Ubuntu\ One
[23:02] <TrickyJ> But its not allowing me to publish we get 2 gb free right ?
[23:03] <Nafallo> yes.
[23:03] <Nafallo> u1sdtool -s is a handy command to see the status of the syncdaemon
[23:06] <TrickyJ> how do i connect ? everything is false in there
[23:06] <TrickyJ> ??
[23:07] <TrickyJ> When i go to   System > Pref > Ubuntu one it shows me nothing
[23:07] <TrickyJ> as if i am not connected to the UBUNTO one server
[23:10] <Nafallo> u1sdtool -c
[23:10] <Nafallo> OR, you can do it from the graphical thing, on the second tab I believe.
[23:22] <TrickyJ> I tried that command Getting msg no command 'ulsdtool - c'
[23:22] <TrickyJ> Hmmm
[23:23] <Nafallo> -c
[23:25] <TrickyJ> Yes without space
[23:27] <TrickyJ> when i open the ubuntu one Preferance in that there are 3 tabs account / Devices / Services
[23:27] <TrickyJ> Right
[23:30] <Nafallo> TrickyJ: u1sdtool -s might have a better status at this point.
[23:30] <TrickyJ> Hmmm let me double check
[23:31] <TrickyJ> I am going to use this command on the terminal right
[23:31] <Nafallo> that'd be the idea.
[23:32] <TrickyJ> no command 'ulsdtool' found
[23:32] <TrickyJ> :(
[23:32] <Nafallo> u1sdtool
[23:33] <TrickyJ> I tried that same message i get No command
[23:33] <TrickyJ> so does that mean i'm not connected to UBUNTU one ?
[23:33] <Nafallo> I have no idea what you're doing, but I'm going to bed anyway, since it's late :-)
[23:34] <TrickyJ> I am getting this message box
[23:34] <TrickyJ> Your Ubuntu One storage is full. Follow the link below to upgrade your subscription.
[23:34] <Nafallo> well, in that case you've likely used your 2GB...
[23:34] <TrickyJ> Hmm i can really understand :) any ways take care we talk about this later
[23:34] <TrickyJ> I've pasted on my one JPG image in there
[23:34] <TrickyJ> any ways Nafallo take care it was really nice u helped me :) merry christmas :)
[23:34] <TrickyJ> have a nice time there
[23:35] <Nafallo> ta, you too.
[23:36] <TrickyJ> :)


[14:28] <ngochai> Hi guys, why my root partition is mounted as /dev/root but not /dev/mmcblk0p2?  http://pastebin.com/GKBy4MHe
[20:12] <DerPunkt> hello
[20:12] <DerPunkt> i hope someone can help me i want to get on a ex android console ubuntu is it possible?
[20:14] <k1l> can you rephrase that and give more details?
[20:14] <DerPunkt> madcatz mojo
[20:14] <DerPunkt> tegra4 1,8 quad+1, 2gb bluetooth wifi
[20:15] <DerPunkt> lan hdmi audio
[20:15] <DerPunkt> if you want more specific specs i need to check how to can gatter it under android
[20:23] <DerPunkt> k1l: offical is there no infos if or if not...
[20:31] <k1l> DerPunkt: so you want a build-ready ubuntu port? i would look at the community of that device if someone made a port.
[20:31] <k1l> ubuntu cant make ports for every device out there.
[20:31] <DerPunkt> primary first if it possible to run it
[20:31] <k1l> see the topic for an explanation on how to build a port
[20:32] <DerPunkt> if i have some work to finaly setup its not really i problem but i dont think i can code for it
[20:32] <k1l> well, generally ubuntu runs on armv7. if that hardware provides drivers etc i dont know
[20:35] <DerPunkt> how i can check if drivers avable for it?


[08:35] <studiobot> Dudley Moore was added by: Dudley Moore
[08:38] <studiobot> <Dudley Moore> Morning all, just joined as I’m contemplating moving all my audio editing to the Ubuntu platform. I use Ubuntu on one of my main desktops so I’m fully familiar with the OS but use Logic as my main DAW. … My question is, how good is the support for USB and FireWire? … I have a Roland FireWire interface that I am hoping will be sup
[08:38] <studiobot> ported, what are the drivers like? Or should i go for a class compliant USB interface? … Thanks all!
[14:06] <OvenWerks> Dudley Moore: Fire wire support should be quite good. That being said, I have personally never used or owned one. These days, firewire support has been wrapped up into the alsa drivers and so if they are not working for you, the alsa firewire drivers need to be blacklisted and the ffado drivers used instead. Anything that is USB 1.1 or 2.0 compliant should just work. So if it works on a Mac it
[14:06] <OvenWerks> should work fine on Linux.
 OK GUYS MANY THANKS!
 Sorry for caps!


[02:33] <netritious> wrst: lost my connection earlier :/
[02:53] <wrst> noticed... but you were mobile
[20:05] <wrst> howdy chris4585
[20:34] <chris4585> hey wrst
[20:34] <wrst> all going well chris4585?
[20:36] <chris4585> as always, just another day
[20:36] <wrst> ha ha well that is good I suppose :)
[21:03] <chris4585> unfortunately I have to go to work in a few
[21:03] <chris4585> how are you wrst ?
[21:05] <wrst> doing well... trying to get monday finished up :)
[21:28] <chris4585> nice
[21:29] <chris4585> yeah I can say I'd like to hurry up and get it over with
[21:41] <wrst> yep that I understand


[04:05] <jackson> evening
[10:18] <rmg51> Morning
[10:40] <JonathanD> Morning.
[13:31] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys?, hamsters and everything else


[00:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[00:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> anyone about>?
[00:33] <silvarion> Hello!
[01:03] <Silvarion> Anybody around?
[01:34] <blendergeek> I am trying to run ubuntu-sdk but I keep getting this error: This application failed to start because it could not find or load the Qt platform plugin "ubuntumirclient" in "".
[01:54] <Silvarion> Hmmm... did you install the dependencies?
[01:55] <blendergeek> I tried several different possible dependencies.
[01:57] <blendergeek> I have installed everything it automatically installs when I install from the repos. But I'm not sure where the 'ubuntumirclient' thing comes from.
[02:08] <Silvarion> do you have a filename? Or did you use apt-file to look for it?
[02:08] <Silvarion> It's completely weird
[02:09] <Silvarion> I'm trying to run phablet-dev-bootstrap but I'm getting service unavailable 503
[02:19] <Silvarion> Invalid clone.bundle file; ignoring.
[06:40] <kaisoz> hi all
[08:35] <folf> Does anyone know the difference between webbrowser-app on Ubuntu 16.04 and touch? I am having trouble playing videos from a specific site (www.dr.dk) on my MX4, but it works fine on 16.04
[08:37] <davmor2> folf: possibly down to codecs the phone has far fewer
[08:38] <folf> davmor2, as in they are not available on the phone, or as in I could install them on the phone?
[08:41] <davmor2> folf: as in they are not available by default, if you install them they will likely get broken on upgrade as you would need to install them via apt not click and then there is a chance that they might not work anyway
[08:43] <folf> davmor2, thanks!
[08:56] <robinhero> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-datetime/+bug/1602522
[10:35] <jgdx> anyone know how I can change the account associated with my youtube scope?
[11:41] <robinhero> hey, will the new owncloud calendar snyc support (OTA-13) work with nextcloud too?
[11:43] <mcphail> robinhero: would be surprised if it didn't. There isn't any real difference between nextcloud and owncloud at this stage
[11:43] <mcphail> Is this definitely coming in OTA13 though?
[11:44] <mcphail> (If so, we just need to crack bluetooth connectivity to make me a very happy boy...)
[11:47] <popey> I believe so, yes. poke bfiller for updates when he's on
[11:51] <kaisoz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/band-aids-uphone/+bug/1234336
[11:51] <kaisoz> did you finally decided if this bug will be fixed or not?
[11:52] <kaisoz> IIRC it wasn't clear if you finally wanted this bug to be fixed...
[12:41] <sergiusens> oSoMoN hey, I have a question for you; when looking at long log files (like the ones from autopackage tests) in the browser there is no easy way to go to the end of a file (without a keyboard), is this a known issue?
[13:00] <deef> anyone has experience with the bq m1 0 tablet?
[13:01] <popey> sure
[13:01] <popey> A few people here have one
[13:01]  * popey looks at his
[13:02] <deef> i just own such a device but to certain WIFI networks it won't connect
[13:02] <deef> the hotspot of my e45 is fine thoug
[13:02] <deef> and with that one it connects
[13:02] <deef> except here at home
[13:03] <popey> Strange. Mine sees all the same networks as my laptop
[13:04] <deef> well, my tables sees all my networks, but it cannot connect to the home network, only to my phone-hotspot and the wifi at the office
[13:05] <deef> any suggestions?
[13:05] <popey> What's special about the home network?
[13:05] <deef> nothing at all
[13:05] <popey> maybe check the logs on the tablet? sudo dmesg...
[13:12] <mardy> Mirv: commented on bug 1608822
[13:18] <deef> anyone knows a workaround for my prob?
[13:19] <popey> Well, we need to know where the issue is.
[13:19] <popey> Need a bug report really.
[14:12] <oSoMoN> sergiusens, can you point me to such a log file, so I can reproduce the issue?
[14:15] <mardy> Mirv: looks like it failed, but where can I get the full build log? https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/ubuntu/qt5-beta2/+build/10632384
[14:15] <sergiusens> oSoMoN<EMAIL_ADDRESS>try getting to the end of that without a keyboard or mouse while on your phone or tablet :-)
[14:16] <pmcgowan> gihel, hey, your sms problem, are you running ota12 and which device?
[14:26] <oSoMoN> sergiusens, ok, I see what you mean (sorry I couldn’t get to it earlier I was in a meeting)
[14:26] <oSoMoN> sergiusens, do you happen to know how other mobile browsers behave in that regard?
[14:27] <oSoMoN> actually I have an android tablet on my desk, let me check
[14:27] <sergiusens> oSoMoN I think you can just drag with the sidebar on other devices
[14:37] <oSoMoN> sergiusens, I can’t drag the scrollbar on chrome on android (that’s on a M10, don’t have a phone handy for testing)
[17:04] <kaisoz> hi there :)
[17:06] <mimecar> hi kaisoz
[17:09] <kaisoz> hi mimecar
[17:13] <brunch875> I just had a naughty naughty idea
[17:14] <brunch875> Know how most phone providers charge you a crapload for a limited internet whilst also giving you unlimited calls at 0 cost?
[17:14] <brunch875> What if phones used dialup to connect to the internet instead? Would that be possible? ☺
[17:21] <dobey> brunch875: sure, but then you're paying a different ISP for really poor bandwidth (think 56 kbps)
[17:21] <dobey> brunch875: better to shop around and get a better deal on data than to try and use dial-up
[17:22] <brunch875> just food for thought
[17:22] <dobey> brunch875: also, easier to just set up a VPN at home, and then use open public wifi spots with VPN through home ISP, for unlimited free bandwidth, at this point
[17:23] <brunch875> I guess it would depend on the country
[17:24] <brunch875> but this also leads me to thinking... given all the utouch model of app security, implementing a program which does this wouldn't really be possible, would it?
[17:26] <brunch875> I hope unity8 doesn't end up being unpractical
[17:32] <REAPer61616> Hi!
[17:33] <REAPer61616> Can someone tell me what is going on with sources of touch? I can't sync, got curl 22 error - 404 not found
[17:34] <dobey> brunch875: i don't think there's any way for an app to control the network connection, no. that's a system thing.
[17:34] <brunch875> Precisely!
[17:35] <dobey> brunch875: but, i suspect "make unity8 work well for PCs" at some point includes making it so that indicator-network will support pppoe/dun connections
[17:36] <brunch875> I guess it's fine for the phone, but the desktop is going to suffer greatly if convergence isn't handled with care
[17:37] <dobey> brunch875: well i guess all i can say to that is "we care" :)
[17:37] <brunch875> I can see that!
[17:37] <brunch875> otherwise utouch wouldn't be rolling so good
[17:43] <TheKit> REAPer61616, they didn't work before, but are working again as of few hours ago
[17:43] <TheKit> what's your url?
[17:45] <REAPer61616> e.g. ubuntu/libhybris got curl 22, but true, see progress, yesterday trying sync and it hangs on 4% of all packages
[17:45] <REAPer61616> will wait until sync finish
[17:45] <REAPer61616> thanks
[19:08] <taiebot> deef popey: is there not a bug open about password with two many characters like more than 20 it will not connect?
[19:08] <taiebot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1588126
[19:11] <taiebot> awe it is sorted now it was the phone provider ;-) which messed it up.
[19:11] <awe> ah good to hear!
[19:19] <dobey> taiebot: as expected. they usually do that :P
[19:34] <taiebot> dobey: Yeah it was good to hear the phone ring in the morning after the daily rumble of the OTA update
[23:12] <javier4_> Guys, I added to the Ubuntu tree my vendor/, kernel/, external/, device/ and prebuilts/. Everytime Make find inside a file a variable named "Y", it fails. I have to #undef Y just before the problematic line to make the build go over. It seems that some other file defines globally a variable named "Y". Is there a way to find which file do that?


[00:29] <ali1234> wow, a not-terrible episode of doctor who
[04:13] <mapps> hi
[05:42] <mapps> yay got my vpn working
[06:27] <zmoylan-pi> what was it in the end?
[08:23] <MooDoo> yay mapps did it take long?
[08:31] <zmoylan-pi> i think mapps is sleeping the sleep of the victorious or watching dr. who over vpn. :-)
[09:00] <MooDoo> probably dr who that sent him to sleep :D
[09:13] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:28] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[13:55] <mapps> ya was sleeping
[13:56] <mapps> MooDoo,  not too long..not sure what i did wrong at first tho
[14:06] <mapps> hm
[14:06] <mapps> works on laptop but wont work on phone
[14:06] <mapps> phone connects but then wont load anything
[14:06] <mapps> ;(
[14:09] <mapps> Applied for a new bank ac yay..N&P Gold classic..no charges for abroad use either at cash point or purchases
[14:09] <Myrtti> I just had a glitch with Google's DNS
[14:09] <mapps> really bugs me paying £2 a time to get euros
[14:10] <brobostigon> elaborate please, mapps
[14:10] <brobostigon> elaborate please, Myrtti
[14:10] <brobostigon> tab failiure, sorry mapps
[14:11] <Myrtti> few moments went by when existing connections worked, but no new ones could establish, and I was silly enough to see if the whole internet went, despite seeing with my own eyes that IRC worked
[14:11] <Myrtti> pinged <IP_ADDRESS>, of course it wouldn't reply
[14:12] <brobostigon> ah, i see.
[14:14] <mapps> and there i was thinking someone was gonna help me
[14:14] <mapps> :d
[14:37]  * Azelphur waves
[14:37] <Azelphur> anyone have any suggestions re curtains / blinds / smart film and home automation?
[14:39] <penguin42> make sure that any motors have appropriate thermal cutouts/timeouts
[14:39] <penguin42> anyway, I'd have thought Azelphur was more one for bond-villain type rivetted steel shutters dropping down
[14:40] <Azelphur> true xD
[14:40] <penguin42> although it's so difficult to get the sharks
[14:42] <brobostigon> "sharks with frickin laser beams attached to their frickin heads"
[14:49]  * penguin42 feels sorry for CPC - they're bargain corner includes a SCSI Ultra 320 terminator that's still #4.92 (down from #12.12) - only a decade or so late
[14:50] <penguin42> and their bargain_computer section also includes a 2 slice toaster
[15:36] <ali1234> hmm
[15:37] <penguin42> ?
[15:39] <ali1234> there are a large number of incorrect descriptions of catmul-clark subdivision on the internet
[15:39] <ali1234> wikipedia is wrong, any description in the first page of google results is wrong
[15:39] <penguin42> what's that?
[15:39] <ali1234> all the wrong descriptions don't even agree
[15:40] <ali1234> well it's a bit like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catmull%E2%80%93Clark_subdivision_surface
[15:40] <ali1234> except different
[15:40] <penguin42> oh, long time since I've looked at that type of stuff
[15:41] <ali1234> the original paper doesn't even make sense
[15:41]  * penguin42 assumes his copy of Foley and van Dam... has it
[15:42] <ali1234> i'm pretty sure catmull and clark were high when they invented this
[15:43] <penguin42> haha
[15:43] <ali1234> anyway this means i will have to look at the blender source code, because i know their implementation works properly
[15:43] <ali1234> but the blender source code is horrible :(
[15:45] <penguin42> perhaps look at meshlab?
[15:46] <ali1234> the situation i have is that i have a subdivided mesh exported from blender, so i know what the correct answer is. i also have an implementation of the algorithm, but it gives a different answer. and i know it is wrong because it looks uglier
[15:47] <penguin42> good measure of correctness
[16:06] <Azelphur> Thinking about buying a Zotac ZBOX ND01 to do XBMC on, thoughts?
[16:09] <daftykins> Azelphur: sounds like the old atom+ion1 combo?
[16:09] <daftykins> or was that the celeron
[16:09] <Azelphur> daftykins: it is indeed
[16:09] <daftykins> they're capable now and can bitstream DD 5.1 and DTS, but they're ancient so i'd not really want to buy one now
[16:10] <daftykins> sort of, late in the day for such hardware
[16:10] <daftykins> i run an ASRock Ion330HT-BD myself
[16:10] <daftykins> but the atom is such a weak-link :(
[16:12] <Azelphur> daftykins: the main reason I was buying that and not something new is because I found a cheap used one
[16:12] <Azelphur> and I can't really find anything to justify me paying more for something newer
[16:12] <Azelphur> I imagine the Zotac would run XBMC  just as well as anything newer would
[16:12] <daftykins> do you have a receiver?
[16:12] <Azelphur> daftykins: receiver?
[16:12] <zmoylan-pi> so it's more a marriage of convenience than the spc
[16:12] <daftykins> AV receiver, amplifier with HDMI
[16:12] <zmoylan-pi> *spec
[16:13] <Azelphur> daftykins: nope, I don't even have speakers :<
[16:13] <Azelphur> I need to get some though.
[16:13] <daftykins> O_O
[16:13] <daftykins> ok so you'd not be too fussed about surround audio formats then :>
[16:13] <Azelphur> daftykins: not overfly fussed, I do want to get some speakers, they are on my list too.
[16:13] <Azelphur> but I don't wanna fork out a million pounds
[16:13] <daftykins> they're definitely capable machines, i like running xbmcbuntu on mine as it's a nice simple dedicated setup
[16:13] <daftykins> Openelec might be even better
[16:14] <daftykins> marry it up with even a low-end SSD and the user experience is great
[16:14] <Azelphur> yea, I was thinking Openelec
[16:14] <daftykins> (just to make sure the thumbnails etc come up nice and promptly)
[16:14] <daftykins> i see Kodi (v14) is going beta
[16:15] <Azelphur> daftykins: do you have any recommendations for a more current cheapish box?
[16:15] <Azelphur> I can get the Zotac for £80
[16:16] <daftykins> hrmm
[16:16] <daftykins> Azelphur: i think anything good would be vastly inflated over that, if i were buying today i'd be looking at the broadwell celeron NUC or one of the gigabyte Brix models i think
[16:17] <Azelphur> yea, I've been recommended them, the NUC has a fan which kinda put me off
[16:17] <daftykins> depends if you'd be happy ditching optical, my ASRock has a bluray drive in but i've never attempted to use it beyond standard DVD films
[16:17] <Azelphur> and the Brix is like £100 base price, with no RAM or HDD :<
[16:17] <Azelphur> I'm ditching optical
[16:17] <daftykins> wise move, i only really play off my server over the network
[16:18]  * zmoylan-pi has ripped a tonne of movies from dvd in last few weeks that i got cheap from bargin bins
[16:18] <daftykins> heh
[16:18] <Azelphur> yes, all I do is play movies over the network from my microserver
[16:18] <zmoylan-pi> how much storage on your microserver?
[16:18] <Azelphur> daftykins: I was kinda tempted to get a BRIX with some firepower in it and set up dolphin and stuff
[16:18] <Azelphur> zmoylan-pi: 6+TB
[16:19] <daftykins> mmm emulation seems pretty popular with peoples HTPC setups
[16:19] <Azelphur> yea
[16:19] <daftykins> seems launching anything from within XBMC is where it gets messy though
[16:19] <daftykins> i only did my upgrade to gotham (v13.2) the other day, glad i did :D
[16:19] <Azelphur> daftykins: probably pass on that though, for the sake of Dolphin it isn't really worth hundreds more, and an Ion already has a decent amount of firepower for older emulation
[16:19] <daftykins> i have a firefox add-on with my laptop that i send youtube vids to it to play, back on Frodo (v12.3) it would crash XBMC about 8 times in 10
[16:20] <Azelphur> hehe
[16:20] <daftykins> with gotham it's perfect \o/
[16:20] <ali1234> ah, i see the problem
[16:20] <Azelphur> daftykins: how much does a BRIX cost for the bare minimum?
[16:21] <Azelphur> I'm not sure what parts they ship with/without tbh
[16:21] <daftykins> can't say i've ever looked into it
[16:21] <daftykins> Azelphur: if you ever catch fritsch active over in #xbmc though, he knows absolutely all of the ins and outs of all platforms, including far more use-cases than i would ever use, such as what deinterlacing methods for live TV each GPUs are capable of
[16:22] <daftykins> :D
[16:22] <Azelphur> I see, I bumped into a fellow like that in #xbmc the other day who recommended the NUC and the BRIX
[16:22] <daftykins> lol ebay has zotacs with i7's in
[16:23] <Azelphur> haha how much?
[16:23] <daftykins> 350+
[16:23] <daftykins> i think mine was 250 new back in the day
[16:23] <daftykins> we got about 3 of them for a clients house, one for the basement cinema room, two for bedrooms
[16:24] <daftykins> trouble is he buys his films on bluray and i've yet to come up with a decently user-friendly method of ripping those into his collection
[16:24] <daftykins> he's got 1,000 DVDs discless though
[16:24] <Azelphur> haha
[16:25] <daftykins> got any plans for remote usage, or will you just use the android app?
[16:25] <daftykins> or app(s) i should say
[16:25] <Azelphur> daftykins: remote usage?
[16:25] <zmoylan-pi> took me 18 months to rip my dvd collection on a mac mini. 2-3 dvds a day average
[16:25] <Azelphur> oh, right, yea just using the android app
[16:25] <zmoylan-pi> wore out the dvd drive
[16:26] <daftykins> :D
[16:26] <daftykins> i setup 4 of those nettop systems for ripping and we hired a kid to use those 4 and 2 of my clients desktop PCs in his office
[16:26] <daftykins> so he had 6 going at once
[16:26] <Azelphur> lol
[16:27] <daftykins> i think he took them home at some point too and started using all his family computers XD
[16:27] <zmoylan-pi> just been concientious and making a backup :-p
[16:28] <daftykins> holy crap his box came back all of its' own via SSH
[16:28] <daftykins> /dev/sdb1              11T  9.0T  2.0T  82% /media/array
[16:28] <daftykins> needs a storage upgrade soon ;)
[16:28] <daftykins> that's an 8 x 2TB RAID6
[16:28] <penguin42> or a clean out
[16:28] <daftykins> nah nothing can go.
[16:29] <daftykins> all his current films are 5.5TB
[16:30] <Azelphur> yea, I think I'll go with the Zotac, doesn't seem like these newer boxes have anything to offer really
[16:30] <daftykins> we just did 1:1 ISO dumps
[16:31] <daftykins> Azelphur: yeah, what i find limiting is that sometimes i want to watch stuff that's only available via browser - so i login to xbmcbuntu's LXDE session and try to fullscreen some nasty ugly flash player thing, which the atom does not have the beans for
[16:31] <daftykins> that was just some baseball games with US friends though so it wasn't a dealbreaker
[16:31] <Azelphur> daftykins: oh, that's no good
[16:31] <daftykins> normally i don't have to touch such nasty sources :D
[16:32] <Azelphur> but then I doubt I'll be doing that anyway tbh
[16:34] <daftykins> yeah, presumably you don't touch the streaming subscription services?
[16:34] <daftykins> i don't even have the vaguest clue about whether there is any support for those mind you
[16:35] <Azelphur> daftykins: yea I don't
[16:36] <Azelphur> daftykins: just playing files off a NFS share, and using XBMC's video streaming plugins.
[16:36] <daftykins> *nod*
[16:37] <daftykins> i don't even use any add-ons :>
[16:37] <daftykins> besides youtube and twitch, actually
[16:37] <Azelphur> yea I mostly just use youtube
[16:39] <ali1234> the pvr plugin is handy for controlling mythtv, it's miles better than myth-frontend
[16:40] <zmoylan-pi> hasn't anyone made a kinnect act as a remote for their linux pvr?  or does sitting still watching and listening to music annoy people? :-)
[16:40] <ali1234> voice/motion controls are a gimmick
[16:41] <ali1234> the tv remote is pretty much perfect technology, and anyone who claims otherwise is just trying to sell you something you don't want or need
[16:42] <shauno> it just lacks wheels.  I want a tv remote that can sneak 'home' after a night out, instead of hiding under the couch :/
[16:44] <penguin42> shauno: mount it on the top of a remote controlled car then
[16:44] <penguin42> or a bungee cord
[16:45] <shauno> heh, I'd just lose the remote for the car too.  I'm seriously messy
[16:45] <penguin42> mount that on ...
[16:45] <shauno> I was looking at http://jasperproject.github.io/ earlier, but I'm not sure xbmc would make a great use-case for it.  just based on the grammar alone, let alone the absurdity of having whole conversations with your TV
[16:46] <penguin42> oh very neat
[16:48] <daftykins> i only see a few minutes of broadcast TV here and there if i'm at a friends place or at my parents place these days, it's been years otherwise
[16:48] <daftykins> it's kind of a novelty for me to see now
[16:48] <daftykins> "wow, something's showing that i didn't decide to watch!"
[16:49] <shauno> heh, yeah.  it's kinda like spotify on your tv
[16:49] <daftykins> i... don't know as i've never tried that :D
[16:49] <shauno> except with more than one advert
[16:49] <daftykins> haha a contact has just bought a house in the south of Spain
[16:49] <shauno> (I don't know about you guys, but spotify just gives me ads for the same creditcard, all day every day)
[16:50] <daftykins> he sent me a pic of the ADSL router from Telefonica that's in the place
[16:50] <daftykins> it's so ghetto it refers to a 128-bit WEP key ;D
[16:50] <RV520__> anyone got any suggestions why i cant get the vpn ro work on  my phone;[ its workng fine on laptop
[16:51] <daftykins> did you update that nasty fruit thing of yours to iOS 8? ;)
[16:51] <shauno> I'm firmly of the opinion that your vpn hates you.  it doesn't help, but it might explain a few things
[16:51] <mapps> it connects and everything shows as connected in openvpn app but just wont reach any sites
[16:51] <mapps> nope daftykins
[16:51] <daftykins> tried a website by IP?
[16:51] <daftykins> just to rule out DNS
[16:51] <mapps> why would it work on y laptop and not on my phone
[16:51] <mapps> hm
[16:51] <mapps> no
[16:51] <mapps> what should i try? some dont work by ip
[16:51] <mapps> lets see
[16:52] <mapps> yep its dns
[16:52] <mapps> thanks:D
[16:52] <shauno> ubuntu.com works by IP alone.  there's an oddly topical example
[16:52] <daftykins> lol
[16:52] <mapps> il just add a push option in the config then
[16:52] <daftykins> shauno: quick get off topic!
[16:52] <mapps> and push the google DNS
[16:52] <daftykins> mapps: *nod* :)
[16:53] <mapps> :D
[16:53] <daftykins> well that was painless.
[16:54] <shauno> so so so nearly 6pm
[16:54] <daftykins> what happens then?
[16:54] <shauno> freedom!
[16:54] <daftykins> are you at work?
[16:54] <shauno> every friday I'll tell you I love weekend shifts, 24 hours with no adult supervision
[16:54] <mapps> heh
[16:54] <shauno> and every sunday evening I want to shove a pencil up my nose and scream 'wibble'
[16:56] <daftykins> with underwear on your head i hope
[16:56] <daftykins> for the true Blackadder effect
[16:57] <shauno> regretably I didn't bring spares.  I was in a hurry this morning
[16:57] <daftykins> :>
[17:20] <daftykins> i'm not a fan of this recent habit of sites having these hovering menu bars that float down with your scrolling, at the top of the page
[17:20] <daftykins> obscuring your view and reducing screen real estate
[17:26] <penguin42> daftykins: That actually lag a bit behind as well
[17:26] <daftykins> *nod*
[17:39] <shauno> they really confuse with osx/ios's tap to zoom stuff too.  you end up with a giant bar that slides down the page as you scroll down
[17:59]  * SuperEngineer thinks [looking at the last few comments] that daftykins & penguin42 are hi-as-a-kite!
[17:59] <SuperEngineer> " hovering menu bars that float down"
[18:00] <SuperEngineer> "That actually lag a bit behind"
[18:00] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[18:00] <SuperEngineer> [& eveninks folks]
[18:00] <daftykins> ;)
[18:00] <daftykins> heya
[18:05] <SuperEngineer> got called to a site today [must remain nameless off course] coz the company wanted the "logic unit" replaced [pc to you & I]...
[18:05] <SuperEngineer> because the customer touch screen "was unresponsive"...
[18:07] <SuperEngineer> ...made I laugh - the screen was blank - as in R.I.P.... but the customer's contract states I have to replace whatever they requexted!
[18:08] <SuperEngineer> ...can we all guess how much difference it made boys & girls [you only have 2 chances at this answer!]
[18:12] <zmoylan-pi> still i once called hp on site to fix a wonky pc. first they replaced the hd. still wonky
[18:12] <zmoylan-pi> on trip 2 they replaced the ram, still wonky
[18:13] <zmoylan-pi> on trip 3 they replaced the power supply, still wonky
[18:13] <zmoylan-pi> on trip 4 they replaced the cpu, still wonky
[18:13] <SuperEngineer> zmoylan-pi: did they try turning it off & back on again :D
[18:13] <zmoylan-pi> on trip 5 they replaced the motherboard, still wonky
[18:14] <zmoylan-pi> it was only when they replaced the case it worked.  as far as i could tell it was a short from the motherboard to the case that was causing it.  i had tried telling them but they had to follow procedure
[18:15] <SuperEngineer> what happened on trip 7... they bought a letter asking you to be a consultant because they were useless?
[18:16] <zmoylan-pi> hell no, the turnover of their staff was insane, never the same engineer twice
[18:16] <SuperEngineer> [on the bright side... think of how many brand new shiny pieces of unesse
[18:16] <SuperEngineer> unnecessary hardware you have!
[18:17] <zmoylan-pi> well i'm a pack rat and after 8-9 pcs had major repairs usually had enough parts left over to make a new pc :-)
[18:17] <SuperEngineer> lol
[18:19] <shauno> does the uk not have a 'lemon law'?
[18:20] <SuperEngineer> zmoylan-pi: [now stick a magnet on the hard drive and see how many visits it takes for them to work that one out]
[18:20] <shauno> most variants give them something like 'three strikes' to resolve the issue (assuming you're entitled to a resolution, eg warranty) before you can declare it a lemon and ask for a full replacement
[18:22] <SuperEngineer> Isn't the term "lemon£ usually applied to cars?
[18:24] <shauno> usually yeah, but the US equivalent covers most consumer goods (on a state-by-state basis, because they're nuts)
[18:24] <SuperEngineer> as in "every time I turn the ignition on, the engine catches fire"... & thank you very much but a fire extinguisher is not the solution!
[18:25] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[18:34] <SuperEngineer> soory about the sudden disappearance - I use compiz for expo & just had a total x-crash!  tried all but only way out was a quick REISUB - doh!
[18:35] <SuperEngineer> ...which reminds me: how will I get my beloved expo mode if compiz stops being used :(
[18:36] <ali1234> stop using unity?
[18:36] <SuperEngineer> ali1234: :D
[18:37] <SuperEngineer> [you must be telepathic!]
[18:40] <shauno> hobnobs should be banned
[18:41] <penguin42> shauno: I'm happy to enforce the confiscation part of that ban
[18:42] <shauno> or at least come in packets of, eg, 5.  so I don't feel quite so bad when I finish it in 30 minutes
[18:42] <ali1234> whats wrong with hobnobs
[18:42] <shauno> they're gone.  that's what's wrong.
[18:43] <daftykins> i love the chocolate topped ones
[18:44]  * SuperEngineer hands shauno some vitual flour, butter, oats etc... oh... & a virtual oven
[18:47] <SuperEngineer> oooh! don't forget... Dr Who repeat of last night's [classic] episode at 8 [BST] ...
[18:47] <SuperEngineer> but being a Dr Who "repeat", it can not be a repeat of course, just a time traveller's memories
[19:03] <SuperEngineer> darn! & "the Day The Earth Stood Still" at the same time.  No fair! [it's as bad as having to choose Linux distros... but this time - The Dr wins!]
[19:10] <penguin42> Klaatu Berada Nicto!
[19:13] <shauno> gesundheit?
[19:14] <penguin42> shauno: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaatu_barada_nikto
[19:17] <zmoylan-pi> don't they teach the kids the classics anymore?! :-)
[19:17] <penguin42> indeed
[19:25] <SuperEngineer> not wishing to be pedantic... but you mean "Klaatu Barada Nikto"
[19:25] <SuperEngineer> don't they teach correct interstellar spelling either ?!
[19:31] <SuperEngineer> [wow! even google pops up wth "Did you mean: Klaatu Barada Nikto" if it's spelt incorrectly.... worried now.
[20:10] <zmoylan-pi> in the film when it is first said to my ear it sounds like gort, klatu barada niktoe and when he asks her to repeat it she says gort, klatu barada niktuu iirc
[20:13] <ali1234> that's the basis of this joke: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VtcOCHePB4


[04:16] <bynarie> Jordan_U, Flannel .. hi, i have read thru the guidelines and i do agree
[09:33] <bazhang> I wonder if they are on debian for ppa-purge to fail
[09:33] <bazhang> although the only fail is 'don't work'
[09:34] <Jordan_U> bazhang: I think it failed because the ppa isn't valid for their release (as far as I can tell they added the ppa on an earlier release, then upgraded).
[09:34] <Jordan_U> Now that I think of it though, upgrades disable ppas IIRC.
[09:35] <bazhang> Jordan_U, its odd as freetuxtv is in the repos ie not ppa
[09:35] <bazhang> yeah they do
[09:35] <bazhang> never heard of add apt repository --remove as a command
[09:52] <valorie> works, though
[09:54] <bazhang> ok
[09:55] <bazhang> not clear why they want a ppa for something already in the repos
[09:55] <bazhang> numbers chasing I suppose
[09:55] <bazhang> 'new glibc fixes my wifi!'
[09:59] <valorie> oooo, voodoo!
[17:43] <bynarie> Jordan_U, did you read my message?i did agree to follow all of the guidelines set in TOS and i would like to request my ban be removed. thank you
[20:39] <Jordan_U> bynarie: Your bans have been removed.
[21:37] <bazhang> k1l_, its purely for warezy stuff
[21:37] <k1l_> i know
[21:37] <bazhang> he can use another client
[21:37] <k1l_> but not with that warez tracker. and that is his real technical issue
[21:39] <bazhang> it's easily solved with a google/bing
[21:40] <bazhang> it's ubuntu specific at all
[21:40] <bazhang> err not