[00:00] <Jordan_U> dupondje: Try disabling xv in gstreamer-properties
[00:01] <dupondje> stupid question: how ?
[00:01] <dupondje> :)
[00:01] <dupondje> nvm
[00:01] <dupondje> :p
[00:01] <hdevalence> pwnguin: how would one clear a DNS cache?
[00:02] <dupondje> Jordan_U: didn't solve
[00:03] <Hinrik> Anyone else here had this problem? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/264019
[00:04] <Hinrik> it's pretty hard to solve as it prevents me from upgrading anything that might have been fixed
[00:06] <Jordan_U> Hinrik: You say that youtube.com is one of the sites you can't get to?
[00:06] <Hinrik> yeah
[00:06] <Hinrik> only very simple things work
[00:07] <Jordan_U> Can you pastebin the output of "dig youtube.com"
[00:07] <Hinrik> I can google, and see the front page of a few sites, but trying anything else just makes it hang
[00:07] <Hinrik> Jordan_U: wait, let me see if I can pastebin :)
[00:08] <Jordan_U> Hinrik: Is there any URL that you can find that you can't wget?
[00:08] <Hinrik> yeah, most of them
[00:09] <Hinrik> for one, I don't seem to be able to load a pastebin page
[00:09] <Hinrik> but "dig youtube.com" looked normal to me
[00:09] <Jordan_U> I mean using the "wget" command
[00:09] <Hinrik> dns resolving works just fine, as does pinging
[00:09] <Hinrik> ok, wait
[00:10] <Hinrik> "wget google.com/index.html" works
[00:11] <Hinrik> this bug is very odd; I can view http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu but it just hangs if I try to view any of its subdirectories
[00:12] <Hinrik> "Waiting for archive.ubuntu.com"
[00:12] <Hinrik> And yes, I
[00:12] <Hinrik> And yes, I've tried other mirrors
[00:12] <Hinrik> works just fine on the computer I'm IRCing from, which is on the same network
[00:13] <Hinrik> as for ssh, I can log into a remote host, but if I do anything complicated like start irssi and connect to a server, it hangs again
[00:15] <Hinrik> if I wanted to downgrade the kernel (copy the .debs over via usb), which packages do would I need? just kernel-image-* ?
[00:16] <Jordan_U> Hinrik: Why downgrade, just boot the old one with grub
[00:16] <Hinrik> Jordan_U: this is a clean install, not an upgrade
[00:17] <Hinrik> (I'm not the guy who filed the bug report, I'm the guy with the 'me too' comment)
[00:18] <Jordan_U> Hinrik: I think you'll get everything if you look at the dependencies of the package "linux"
[00:18] <Hinrik> ok
[00:19] <Hinrik> linux-image and linux-restricted-modules then
[00:21] <Jordan_U> Yeah, and of course whatever they depend on ( if anything )
[00:25] <Hinrik> hm, where would I find the .debs? don't see a link to 'em on packages.ubuntu.com
[00:25] <Hinrik> ah. oops, never mind
[00:26] <dupondje> still green lines in avi playback :(
[00:26] <dupondje> damn :(
[00:30] <Hinrik> *crosses fingers*
[00:36] <perillux> I don't have a recording level monitor application
[00:36] <perillux> how do I install it, I kinda need it now
[00:36] <Jordan_U> perillux: What app?
[00:37] <perillux> in Hardy there was a Applications > Sound > recording level monitor
[00:37] <perillux> and a volume level monitor
[00:37] <perillux> but it's not here in Intrepid
[00:38] <Hinrik> perillux: it is there, but hidden
[00:38] <Hinrik> right click on the menu and 'Edit menus'
[00:38] <Hinrik> there you can make it visible
[00:38] <Hinrik> and damn, 2.6.27-1 doesn't work either
[00:38] <perillux> Hinrik: it's not showing up in that list
[00:39] <perillux> can I install it via, "sudo apt-get install ...." ?
[00:40] <Hinrik> yeah, though I don't remember the name of the package...hm
[00:41] <Hinrik> gnome-media is the name
[00:42]  * Hinrik tries kernel 2.6.26-5
[00:46] <Volkodav> how do I untar 7z ?
[00:46] <Hinrik> you don't because it's not a tar :)
[00:47] <Volkodav> so what's the workaround?
[00:47] <jrib> !7z
[00:47] <Hinrik> get the p7zip program
[00:48] <Volkodav> thanks
[00:53] <Hinrik> yay! 2.6.26-5 works
[00:54] <Hinrik> thanks for the help
[01:01] <Jordan_U> Is there a way to stop audacity from disabling pulseaudio when it tries to play audio?
[01:22] <dupondje> Jordan_U:  www.dupondje.be/screen.avi
[01:22] <x1250> Jordan_U, configuring audacity to use ALSA: default ? Edit -> Preferences
[01:22] <dupondje> this is how my video output looks like :(
[01:24] <Jordan_U> x1250: Doesn't help
[01:24] <Jordan_U> x1250: In fact that's what I was already doing
[01:25] <x1250> Jordan_U, strange, it works here. I can listen to rhythmbox while reproducing something in audacity also...
[01:26] <Jordan_U> x1250: Is rhythmbox using pulseaudio?
[01:27] <x1250> Jordan_U, is that configurable? I can't find it on preferences
[01:27] <crdlb> via gstreamer
[01:27] <Jordan_U> x1250: It should be by default
[01:27] <Jordan_U> x1250: See if it shows up in pavucontrol
[01:29] <x1250> uhm, pavucontrol says connection failed: connection refused, then closes itself
[01:33] <Jordan_U> x1250: Maybe you aren't using pulseaudio for anything :)
[01:34] <x1250> Jordan_U, I have "Autodetect" in system->prefs->sound, isn't pulseaudio default?
[01:34] <Jordan_U> x1250: It's supposed to be, but you never know with alpha's what is going to happen :)
[01:51] <literal> I think I have this issue<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:51] <literal> Is there anything I can do about it?
[01:59] <DanaG> Why does nm-applet insist on showing "Auto eth0" instead of "Wired Network"?
[02:01] <literal> here it shows "Auto eth0" under the "Wired Network" category
[02:09] <DanaG> That's what I meant.
[02:09] <DanaG> It used to show it differently.
[02:09] <DanaG> I think 'Auto eth0' looks ugly.
[02:11] <literal> edit it then
[02:14] <DanaG> I renamed the connection.....
[02:15] <DanaG> and it renamed it back.
[02:15] <DanaG> It completely forgets whatever I name it.
[02:39] <bsnider> beware the ath5k driver. it seems my hard lockups were caused by it. i'd love to be wrong, but it seems to work fine with madwifi
[02:46] <d4t4min3r> how far from beta are we?
[03:03] <x1250> d4t4min3r, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=791746
[03:37] <literal> If anyone's having xvideo problems on intrepid... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/267627
[04:25] <martalli> I upgraded my computer fron hardy heron to intrepid in kubuntu, but I have no desktop effects.  This laptop's graphics in a 7000-series discrete geoforce graphics chip.  Is there a way to turn on the desktop effects?
[04:26] <Jordan_U> martalli: Are you getting accelerated 3D at all?
[04:26] <martalli> Im not sure
[04:26] <martalli> I don't play games, etc
[04:27] <martalli> Hmm, glxgears won't run...maybe it isn't working
[04:27] <martalli> However, I checked jocky-kde and the nvidia 177 driver is in use
[04:27] <pwnguin> well
[04:28] <pwnguin> what does it know?
[04:28] <pwnguin> check your xorg logs
[04:29] <pwnguin> martalli: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[04:30] <martalli> pwgguin: thx for the tip =)
[04:31] <Nubbie> hello everybody, i have made the leap to ibex, but i am very disappointed in X right now.
[04:32] <pwnguin> martalli: do you know what you're looking for?
[04:32] <martalli> pwnguin: It appears to be loading the nv module
[04:32] <Nubbie> it would appear that it is choosing the wrong video driver
[04:32] <pwnguin> martalli: right; and you want nvidia I presume
[04:32] <Nubbie> how can i specify to xorg to use the intel driver if i have no configuration in xorg.conf. this is frustrating beyond belief
[04:33] <martalli> pwnguin: I would think so, but it appears to be loading the nvidia files right after that
[04:34] <martalli> I'm trying to put it on pastebin
[04:34] <pwnguin> !pastebinit
[04:34] <pwnguin> bah
[04:34] <pwnguin> !pastebin
[04:34] <pwnguin> theres a tool
[04:34] <pwnguin> that lets you pipe files into pastebin
[04:34] <martalli> http://pastebin.ca/1196928
[04:34] <Nubbie> can somebody please help me in getting X running to a satisfactory state as it was with gutsy?
[04:35] <Nubbie> i am using intel 810i chipset
[04:36] <martalli> http://paste.ubuntu.com/44433/ - tried the ubuntu pastebin
[04:36] <pwnguin> martalli: i dont see how the pastebin service makes a difference ;)
[04:36] <Nubbie> pastebin.ca is very reliable.
[04:36] <pwnguin> martalli: at any rate
[04:37] <pwnguin> martalli: can you pastebin /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[04:38] <martalli> http://pastebin.com/f119543ab
[04:39] <martalli> I used pastebinit this time, thanks for the tip
[04:39] <pwnguin> heh
[04:39] <pwnguin> p
[04:39] <pwnguin> im glad you figured it out quickly. i never can remember how to make it work =/
[04:39] <martalli> It doesn't seem to have any details about the card involved
[04:40] <pwnguin> indeed
[04:40] <bsnider> Nubbie, you don't need a xorg.conf to use the intel driver
[04:40] <pwnguin> martalli: what we're gonna do is add a Driver "nvidia" in the device section
[04:40] <martalli> I tried nvidia-settigns to set nvidia back in heron and it just messed the whole thing up....
[04:40] <Nubbie> bsnider: i realize that,  my concern is that X is choosing the wrong driver, and has left me with no way to remedy the situation
[04:41] <bsnider> what driver is it picking?
[04:41] <DanaG> ARgh, my gnome-panel stalls at login.
[04:41] <martalli> Something like in my old xorg.conf file from 2007: http://pastebin.com/f1babb88b ?
[04:42] <pwnguin> martalli: right
[04:42] <pwnguin> the options are... optional
[04:42] <DanaG> Heh, handy way to trigger a crash and backtrace of a hung app: manually send it the SIGSEGV (segfault) signal -- that way, it'll trigger apport.
[04:43] <nandemonai> Hello again guys.
[04:43] <martalli> ok, basic question here... kdesu kate or kdesudo kate?  I know not sudo kate...
[04:43] <bsnider> kdesu
[04:43] <martalli> bsnider: thx
[04:43] <pwnguin> just make sure line 74 makes its way into your current xorg settings. i've heard it suggested that nvidia might become default
[04:43] <nandemonai> Anyone had a problem with network manager not saving setup after a reboot?
[04:43] <Nubbie> bsnider: i'm not sure, but compiz is failing to start
[04:43] <pwnguin> kdesu sounds like some kde japanese teaching program
[04:44] <bsnider> Nubbie, that doesn't mean the intel driver isn't being loaded
[04:45] <pwnguin> bsnider: this is why i ask for logs and config files. "just the facts, ma'am."
[04:45] <bsnider> Nubbie, you upgraded directly from gutsy to intrepid?
[04:45] <bsnider> there's a stable distro in between
[04:45] <pwnguin> upgrade manager won't even let you
[04:46] <bsnider> he's obviously borked it
[04:46] <pwnguin> well
[04:47] <pwnguin> maybe he upgraded to hardy, found it busted and upgraded to intrepid because obviously newer is better
[04:47] <bsnider> why would he expect hardy to be more stable than intrepid? that doesn't make any sense
[04:48] <burner> uhh... i think you're confused a bit in that last statement bsnider, but yes, you're right
[04:48] <Nubbie> bsnider: of course i meant i upgraded from hardy to ibex
[04:48] <bsnider> ok, now it makes more sense
[04:48] <nandemonai> Guy? Network manager saving static setups for you? Should I investigate more and file a bug report or am I missing something?
[04:48] <nandemonai> *s
[04:48] <bsnider> xorg 7.4 with the new intel driver will be released and subsequently added to intrepid in 2 days
[04:49] <Jordan_U> Nubbie: If you have a problem with Intrepid ask in this channel and *only* in this channel, #ubuntu does not support development versions
[04:49] <Jordan_U> bsnider: DRI2 by any chance?
[04:49] <pwnguin> yes, lets get snippy
[04:49] <Nubbie> Jordan_U: i realize that, but surely some people in #ubuntu share my problem are not present in this channel.
[04:49] <bsnider> Jordan_U,  i dunno
[04:50] <bsnider> they had to change it because of the switch from ttm to gem
[04:50] <pwnguin> normally, it's the other way around, people in here asking about hardy =/
[04:50] <danbhfive> nandemonai: I think I saw that, its crashed for me...
[04:51] <nandemonai> Hmm weird, ok it's just forgot the settings again after a apt-get update..
[04:51] <Nubbie> Jordan_U: here is the pastebin of me trying to start compiz... http://pastebin.ca/1196943
[04:52] <Nubbie> it's seg faulting pretty hard.
[04:52] <bsnider> try the command glxinfo
[04:53] <Nubbie> bsnider: glx extension is missing on my display
[04:54] <bsnider> well, then you can forget compiz
[04:54] <Nubbie> bsnider: shouldn't X11 automatically take care of that?
[04:54] <nandemonai> I should probably mention I'm running under VMware, that may have a lot to do with it. Perhaps I'll install on a spare drive and see if it still does it.
[04:54] <pwnguin> Nubbie: dual monitor?
[04:54] <Nubbie> pwnguin: no, just the LCD panel of my laptop
[04:54] <pwnguin> Nubbie: hmm. and compiz used to run?
[04:55] <Nubbie> bsnider: i know X11 isn't configured properly, but my issue is fixing it. xorg.conf is pretty much a useless POS now.
[04:55] <Nubbie> pwnguin: in hardy.
[04:55] <pwnguin> sadly(fortunately?), ive never owned any intel graphics
[04:55] <pwnguin> Nubbie: you should have the old xorg.conf lying around?
[04:55] <Nubbie> pwnguin: can't say i do, i upgraded.
[04:56] <pwnguin> ive upgraded plenty of times
[04:56] <bsnider> you mean clean installed?
[04:56] <bsnider> otherwise it's there
[04:56] <Nubbie> bsnider: i mean my working xorg.conf was overwritten when i upgraded.
[04:56] <bsnider> check the directory for hidden files
[04:57] <bsnider> you're only one of approximately 500k people having problems with the new x server
[04:57] <pwnguin> heh
[04:57] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/257809
[04:57] <bsnider> and a lot of them are using intel graphics
[04:57] <Nubbie> lol it's there.
[04:57] <pwnguin> psh
[04:57] <pwnguin> look first!
[04:57] <pwnguin> then complain
[04:58] <Nubbie> well i came here knowing there would be nice people who understand where i'm coming from heheh
[04:58] <Nubbie> i try to spend some time each month in #ubuntu helping out
[04:58] <bsnider> if all you want is understanding try a fight club
[04:58] <Nubbie> lol
[04:59] <bsnider> just because you try an old xorg.conf doesn't mean it will work
[04:59] <Nubbie> brb... restarting X
[04:59] <bsnider> sorry to break that news to you, but there it is
[04:59] <Nubbie> i know, but apparently the only xorg.conf files work with 7,4
[04:59] <pwnguin> xorg.conf should still work
[04:59] <Nubbie> yes.
[04:59] <Nubbie> brb.
[04:59] <pwnguin> we're just trying to cut back the need
[04:59] <Nubbie> and thank you.
[05:00] <bsnider> would you bet your life onj it?
[05:00] <Nubbie> well the need is still there, cutting back is counter-intuitive to me.
[05:00] <Nubbie> what would be nice if X had better detection, yet still wrote full configs.
[05:01] <bsnider> we can't have our cake and eat it too
[05:01] <pwnguin> Nubbie: it'll never have better detection until we get more people testing hardware
[05:01] <Nubbie> cutting back on xorg.conf only hurts people who are able/willing to edit it, whereas better detection initially would benefit everybody
[05:01] <bsnider> actually now that i think of it it probably does write config files but we don't know where htey are right now
[05:02] <DanaG> Oh yeah.... now things can be done with fdi files instead of xorg.conf.
[05:02] <DanaG> I've moved all my Synaptics options into an fdi file.
[05:02] <Nubbie> bsnider: it writes to fdi files in HAL.
[05:02] <Nubbie> but hal lacks one end-all be-all configuration file like xorg.conf was.
[05:02] <Nubbie> brb
[05:03] <bsnider> or a gui config app
[05:03] <DanaG> Yeah... there's no nice GUI for allllll the Synaptics features.
[05:03] <Nubbie> which does not yet exist lol, and a GUI config app doesn't help with no GUI running :P
[05:04] <Nubbie> but bullet-proof X is a blessing in the fact that if you mess up you still have a running x session to help, rather than rooting around xorg.conf in a recovery console.
[05:04] <Nubbie> i will give it that. i just want a full xorg.conf file, whether i need to use it or not.
[05:06] <DanaG> I'd rather have the X error log, frankly.
[05:06] <DanaG> Once I accidentally trigger failsafe X..... I can't get back normal X.
[05:06] <DanaG> I end up having to reboot.
[05:07] <Nubbie> or run sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart maybe...
[05:07] <DanaG> Nope, that doesn't fix it for me.
[05:09] <bsnider> no DRI2 until x-server 1.6, which they're hoping to get out by the end of the year, but too late to make it into intrepid
[06:42] <HeMan> Hi! Is memtest in intrepid patched from the one on http://memtest.org?
[06:43] <HeMan> When I run memtest from intrepid (via GRUB) it finds loads of problems
[06:43] <literal> it's broken
[06:43] <literal> it's mentioned in the release notes
[06:43] <HeMan> but when I run memtest downloaded from memtest.org (via syslinux) it works
[06:44] <HeMan> ah
[06:44] <HeMan> Good that I didn't report my "broken" memory to Dell then...
[06:44] <literal> :P
[06:45] <Reed_Solomon> heh
[07:49] <AnAnt> Where do core dumps go ?
[08:18] <fargiolas> does anybody know how to get rid of emacs-snapshot generating auctex stuff at each boot? it takes almost 10 minutes with heavy disk io
[08:18] <fargiolas> I looked in cron scripts but I cannot find who is launching it
[08:19] <fargiolas> the exact command is: emacs-snapshot --no-site-file --no-init-file --batch --load=/usr/share/emacs-snapshot/site-lisp/auctex//../tex-site.el --funcall=TeX-auto-generate-global
[08:24] <nastas> anyone know how to make virtualbox to recognise my wireless?
[08:26] <TheInfinity> nastas: you can't at all if network works like vmware in virtualbox
[08:26] <nastas> only throught cable TheInfinity?
[08:27] <TheInfinity> nastas: no, it uses the network connection of the host
[08:27] <nastas> i see. thnx.
[08:27] <TheInfinity> if the host has wireless internet access for example vmware also uses this connection
[08:27] <TheInfinity> and I think virtualbox works in the same way
[08:28] <nastas> i'll try one more time
[08:28] <nastas> thnx
[08:40] <AnAnt> Hello, where do core dumps go ?
[08:41] <RAOF> To apport, usually.  /var/lib/crash
[08:42] <AnAnt> does apport work in final releases ?
[08:43] <RAOF> Usually we turn it off.
[08:44] <AnAnt> how do I turn it on ?
[08:45] <RAOF>  /etc/default/apport, I believe.
[08:45] <AnAnt> thanks
[09:13] <schmidtm> Will there be Ooo3 in intrepid - until now there is only Ooo2 in the repos
[09:15] <RAOF> It's being investigated, but I believe the answer is looking like "no".
[09:18] <schmidtm> Reasons?
[09:19] <RAOF> Because it's not released.
[09:19] <RAOF> And seems unlikely to be released soon enough.
[09:19] <schmidtm> Ok, but FF3 was integrated in beta-status
[09:19] <crdlb> didn't have a choice with firefox
[09:20] <DanaG> What's not released?
[09:20] <crdlb> mozilla refuses to maintain older branches
[09:20] <schmidtm> and Ooo3 is RC afaik
[09:24] <DanaG> Ouch.... I can't fall asleep, because my back hurts.
[09:26] <RAOF> Beta 2, it appears.
[09:35] <LSD|Ninja> crdlb: FF3 was released a month or two after Hardy hit, surely they (Ububtu) could have held on to FF2 for just trhat little longer if it meant making Hardy at least look as though it had that little bit of extra polish
[09:36] <crdlb> LSD|Ninja: and support FF2 without mozilla's help for 3 years?
[09:36] <schmidtm> http://development.openoffice.org/releases/3.0.0beta2rc1.html says beta2 is rc
[09:37] <LSD|Ninja> crdlb: No, for the two months it would have taken for FF3 to hit
[09:38] <crdlb> LSD|Ninja: so do an incompatible upgrade of a released LTS distro months after release?
[09:38] <LSD|Ninja> crdlb: That's what LTS means
[09:38] <RAOF> Ah.  I see where the "LSD" comes from :)
[09:39] <RAOF> schmidtm: Their roadmap suggests otherwise.  In fact, their roadmap suggests that Beta2 is two months late.
[09:39] <LSD|Ninja> RAOF: I was so much as told LTS means "release unstable because you have 3 years to fix it"
[09:39] <crdlb> LSD|Ninja: firefox 2.0 to firefox 3.0 is not something you push onto a live, released distro
[09:39] <crdlb> particularly not an LTS one
[09:42] <schmidtm> RAOF: but on their german download site they provide Ooo3c1 - even a deb package ftp://ftp.rz.tu-bs.de/pub/mirror/OpenOffice.org/extended/3.0.0rc1/OOo_3.0.0rc1_20080904_LinuxIntel_install_de_deb.tar.gz
[09:57] <schmidtm> RAOF: according to http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoRelease30 the final will be available by September 16th, 2008
[10:03] <thefish> what replaces xlibs-dev in intrepid?
[10:14] <dupondje> what could be the cause of this: www.dupondje.be/screen.avi (very bad screen output)
[10:33] <gnomefreak> dupondje: totem most likely
[10:33] <gnomefreak> or the site but i saw it on another site this morning
[10:34] <dupondje> getting bad vid in VLC / MythTV / ...
[10:34] <dupondje> so its not the app :(
[10:35] <gnomefreak> than its the site, some sites work fine i only saw it on your link above and another. but your link if you go further into it its not seem
[10:36] <gnomefreak> further into it == let it play and it goes away atleast for me
[10:37] <dupondje> huh ?
[10:37] <dupondje> after 10 mins the screen is still bad :(
[10:37] <dupondje> it keeps looking like that ...
[10:38] <dupondje> I made that screen.avi, of my screen playing something ...
[10:38] <dupondje> thats my crappy output :(
[10:41] <gnomefreak> dupondje: mine clears up
[10:42] <dupondje> mine not :(
[10:42] <gnomefreak> give me a link to the site so i can see
[10:43] <dupondje> link to what site ?
[10:43] <dupondje> wtf
[10:45] <gnomefreak> dupondje: where youu got that video, im assuming either you watched it on a site or you downloaded it from a site
[10:45] <gnomefreak> unless you made it yourself
[10:45] <dupondje> the video that I play ?
[10:45] <dupondje> its just livetv from mythtv
[10:45] <dupondje> but it doesn't matter
[10:45] <dupondje> other video's are the same ...
[10:45] <dupondje> same crappy output
[10:46] <gnomefreak> are all these vidoes that are like that from mythtv?
[10:47] <dupondje> no
[10:47] <dupondje> even if I play it with vlc
[10:47] <dupondje> its same output :(
[10:48] <gnomefreak> mythtv is output for tv channels no?
[10:49] <dupondje> also video ...
[10:52] <dupondje> added Option "AccelMethod" "EXA"
[10:52] <dupondje> and its solved now
[10:52] <dupondje> mmmm
[11:39] <mickep> Hi, I did get random disconnections in 8.04 (both wired and unwired). Now I installed alpha5 and still have these disconnections. Any ideas? The output of lspci is at http://www.math.chalmers.se/~mickep/lspci
[11:40] <SwedeMike>  what kind of disconnection?
[11:40] <mickep> hm, the network stops to work.
[11:40] <SwedeMike> and you can't ping your default gateway?
[11:41] <zniavre> !bug
[11:41] <mickep> I did not try. I cannot surf, my ssh connections stop to work and so on. Reacitivating the net via NetworkManager brings itup again
[11:41] <mickep> SwedeMike: I will try to ping the gateway next time
[11:42] <SwedeMike> how long in between, and does it correlate to the dhcp lease time?
[11:43] <mickep> SwedeMike: I have a feeling that the time to disconnection is random (or at least not constant). Often when the computer is idling. How do I check if it happens with a dhcp lease time?
[11:43] <mickep> (i have a feeling it disconnects sooner here at work)
[11:44] <SwedeMike> oki, so this happens at different network locations?
[11:44] <mickep> yes, at home and at work. Both wired and unwired.
[11:46] <mickep> SwedeMike: I dont really have any ideas of what commands to run to debug, but I happily try and post the output if you have any tips
[11:46] <SwedeMike> do you get any messages in "dmesg" that might be related?
[11:46] <mickep> (I should probably say that I did not install alpha5 but run via the liveCD at the moment)
[11:46] <SwedeMike> or in any logs in /var/log ?`
[11:47] <mickep> I'll have a check (just waiting for the next disconnection)
[11:48] <mickep> SwedeMike: the output of dmesg is at http://www.math.chalmers.se/~mickep/dmesg if it helps
[11:49] <mickep> (and right now I am wired, but the wlan is also enabled in network-manager)
[11:49] <mickep> zniavre: I will post a bug as soon as I know what to actually write inthere
[11:50] <zniavre> what is not easy ...
[11:53] <mickep> I'm not sure where to target the bug, intrepid?
[12:07] <mohkohn> I have Apha2 installed on my eeepc 701 $G. Can I upgrade online to alpha 5?
[12:08] <mohkohn> is it "update-manager -d" or just do a normal update/upgrade?
[12:08] <mohkohn> I should say Alpha4.
[12:09] <void^> normal update
[12:13] <mickep> zniavre: OK, so now I made a bug report at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/267719
[12:18] <DanaG> Heh, I get the same "RX ReassocResp" thing going on.  It's really annoying.
[12:20] <mohkohn> thanks void^
[12:37] <Notch-1> hi all
[12:37] <Notch-1> i have installed kubuntu 8.10 alpha 5, but now wich is the best way to update?
[12:48] <Notch-1> please guys, i need just the update command, i think the one i use is wrong...
[12:49] <jrib> Notch-1: update-manager can update you
[12:50] <Notch-1> i see any kind of update-manager-... but no update-manager
[12:51] <jrib> what?
[12:51] <Notch-1> maybe i need to look another way...
[12:51] <jrib> oh you're running kde.  You should have some kind of automatic gui updater somewhere
[12:51] <Notch-1> i found only update-manager-something ...
[12:51] <jrib> what is the "something"?
[12:52] <Notch-1> there is adept but it seem broken...
[12:52] <jrib> heh
[12:52] <jrib> !final
[12:52] <jrib> Notch-1: you can run that command if you want
[12:52] <Notch-1> something, like -fd
[12:53] <Notch-1> what command?
[12:53] <jrib> the one ubottu just said
[12:53] <thefish> I have xserver-xorg-dev and libx11-dev installed, but still get configure: error: Can't find X libraries. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! - any ideas?
[12:53] <Notch-1> i've done sudo su, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:54] <Notch-1> and now i can't log in
[12:54] <Notch-1> xorg crashes while loading...
[12:54] <Notch-1> even in the alpha 4
[12:54] <jrib> thefish: I don't have a working intrepid atm, but in hardy I see xlibs-dev and xorg-dev
[12:54] <Notch-1> so is that a common bug or have i missed something?
[12:55] <jrib> Notch-1: you upgraded fine.  You're experiencing a bug in alpha software now
[12:55] <thefish> cheers jrib - it seems xlibs-dev is replaced with libx11-dev in intrepid...
[12:55] <Notch-1> jrib: thanks, now i beleave :D
[12:55] <jrib> I have libx11-dev on hardy too thefish
[12:57] <jrib> thefish: what are you compiling?
[12:57] <thefish> jrib: knetworkmanager from svn
[12:57] <Notch-1> jrib: just another question: what's the difference with apt-get dist-upgrade and AFTER apt-get upgrade? it should work as well (not considering this bug) ?
[12:58] <jrib> thefish: if you do: sudo apt-get build-dep knetworkmanager     you should get whatever it needs
[12:58] <jrib> Notch-1: see the 'dist-upgrade' description in 'man apt-get'
[12:59] <Notch-1> jrib: yes but i still don't understand :P
[12:59] <jrib> Notch-1: dist-upgrade will do everything upgrade would do but may do more
[12:59] <Pici> dist-upgrade includes packages with new dependencies for one
[13:00] <Notch-1> it seems that switching the order is not a problem... but i experienced every kind of problem doing this :D
[13:00] <thefish> jrib: it moaned that it couldnt satisfy them :( thats why i was doing it manually - shorsrc also didnt give clues...
[13:01] <jrib> thefish: heh
[13:01] <Notch-1> so why apt-get update before? we could just use apt-get dist-upgrade, right?
[13:01] <Notch-1> sorry, i mean upgrade, not update
[13:01] <jrib> Notch-1: yes
[13:01] <Notch-1> !final
[13:02] <Notch-1> perfect :P
[13:02] <Notch-1> my memory is working like adept-manager in kubuntu 8.10 :PPPP
[13:03] <thefish> jrib: xorg-dev was the winner :)
[13:03] <thefish> thanks
[13:03] <Notch-1> thank you so much for patient
[13:03] <jrib> no problem
[13:04] <Notch-1> you think that upgrading and upgrading i will be able to log in or i have to reinstall everything?
[13:05] <jrib> ?
[13:05] <Notch-1> i other words: the fix fixes all things or i have to do something manually?
[13:05] <jrib> no idea Notch-1.  I don't know what the issue is
[13:07] <Notch-1> ah, it depends on the specific bug? there is no general rule?
[13:08] <jrib> more like "how much time are you willing to spend"
[13:08] <Notch-1> it's one of my biggest fear, since i'm using a unstable distro...
[13:08] <Notch-1> on doing what? :DD
[13:08] <jrib> it shouldn't be your main operating system
[13:09] <jrib> put it on its own partition or virtualized
[13:09] <Notch-1> yes, now, but in the future...
[13:09] <Notch-1> it may become more stable, i guess...
[13:10] <jrib> in october when it's released it is stable (only security updates).  Then everyone gets an option to upgrade their hardy
[13:10] <Notch-1> yes yes
[13:10] <Notch-1> i'm waiting for that day :D
[13:10] <Notch-1> but my question was a little more general
[13:10] <jrib> during this time it usually comes down to "will fixing this problem take me longer than a reinstall?"
[13:10] <Notch-1> on bug and fixes
[13:11] <Notch-1> yeah, good question :D
[13:12] <Notch-1> but since the first time i installed a linux distro i was wandering if the update system can fix bugs AND other problems created by the bugs itselfs...
[13:13] <jrib> sometimes
[13:13] <Notch-1> if it simply update to "unbugged" version, or if it can correct problems
[13:14] <Notch-1> on what depends? :D
[13:15] <void^> usually most problems can be fixed with simple updates
[13:15] <Notch-1> forgive me, but i didn't found a clear answer, from years :P
[13:16] <Notch-1> if for example a bugged sw create some wrong unuseful files, the update is teached to remove it?
[13:16] <void^> it's possible
[13:18] <gnomefreak> yes it replaces the old package
[13:19] <Notch-1> i know that expecting answer to void is useless, but can you tell me more ? :PPP
[13:19] <gnomefreak> when using term to upgrade it tells you preparing to replace $version with $version
[13:19] <Notch-1> FROM void, sorry
[13:19]  * gnomefreak hopes that isnt a question :(
[13:20] <Notch-1> ?
[13:20] <Notch-1> it was an "errata corrige"
[13:20] <Notch-1> anyway, gnomefreak, i don't understand your answer
[13:22] <Pici> Notch-1: I dont understand your question
[13:23] <gnomefreak> Notch-1: when a new package version is avalible it overwrites the old package version
[13:23] <Notch-1> yes
[13:23] <gnomefreak> Notch-1: than what is your question
[13:23] <Notch-1> i'm asking if it correct any other problem that the may occur when there is a bug
[13:24] <gnomefreak> Notch-1: it only corrects what was corrected in package
[13:24] <Pici> Notch-1: Only if the new package version corrects that bug.
[13:24] <gnomefreak> Notch-1: not all new packages fix all bugs
[13:24] <Pici> I find it very handy to have apt-listchanges installed to see what bugs are fixed and what new features I can expect when I do upgrades...
[13:25] <Notch-1> yes, it's a good way
[13:25] <Notch-1> give me just a minute to try to explain myself :P
[13:25] <gnomefreak> Pici: too much output for me
[13:25] <gnomefreak> i use Lp if i want to know changes
[13:26] <void^> to elaborate, every package comes with a number of scripts that are ran when the package is installed/upgraded/uninstalled
[13:26] <gnomefreak> or changelog of course
[13:26] <void^> so it's possible to fix "collateral damage" of a bug in a new version, if necessary
[13:26] <Notch-1> void^: thank you so much :D
[13:27] <Notch-1> this is a good answer, tnx
[13:29] <Notch-1> there is a easy way to get info on this script? as an apt-something...
[13:31] <void^> extract the package with dpkg
[13:32] <gnomefreak> makefile == script for most packages all debian files are files
[13:33] <Notch-1> ah fine, thanks again
[13:34]  * gnomefreak really hating bash today
[13:34] <Notch-1> why?
[13:34] <gnomefreak> because im getting exceptions while trying to run scripts
[13:34] <Notch-1> (i hate bash everytime i make a script :D)
[13:34] <gnomefreak> -s
[13:35] <Notch-1> exceptions? :D
[13:35] <gnomefreak> Notch-1: errors/crashes
[13:35] <Notch-1> ah
[13:35] <Notch-1> i understand you :D
[13:36] <gnomefreak> eh ill look at it later, i take break now its been long morning
[13:36] <Notch-1> if you know where is the origin paste the code, maybe i can help on this
[13:38] <Notch-1> call me, i've solved thousands of errors for my scripts...
[13:38] <Notch-1> it will be a pleasure to return the help
[13:50] <thefish> anyone managed to get network-manager working in kde4?
[13:52] <thefish> i can use the gnome nm-applet, but knetworkmanager doesnt play
[14:48] <DavidTalbot> hi, i have a funny problem with 8.10 it seems that there are some routing problems so can i connect to internet if i define a local proxy in my homenetwork, is this a known bug?
[14:48] <hubuntu> hello... has the dark human theme been changed for  lighter theme as of lately or is it just my system?
[14:54] <hubuntu> ?
[14:54] <pwnguin> hubuntu: check the alpha5 release notes
[14:56] <hubuntu> OK, SORRY
[14:57] <hubuntu> ops..
[14:57] <hubuntu> thx
[15:13] <gx009> so i want to install kubuntu 8.10 .. so far have not found a good .iso; so i tried installing ubuntu 8.10 and then add kde...  a mess.. i wanted a kde only system so i manually purged gnome.. but i still got traces of it like, synaptics, is still hanging around. adept is majorly buggy and wireless is not operational..
[15:15] <gx009> i wasted about 7 discs trying to burn a good copy of kubuntu 8.10 from different sources, all failed. even when the integrity check was good too
[15:24] <gx009> i just got a tip that burning such .iso in windows yields good results ..  meh
[15:24] <thefish> gx009: you are doing the integrity check from the disk? ie boot to install, then check from there?
[15:25] <gx009> that too
[15:26] <thefish> if that passes, then it means the disk is burned correctly
[15:26] <thefish> you cant burn it any better than perfect
[15:26] <gx009> yet it failed to run
[15:26] <thefish> failed to run what?
[15:27] <gx009> the install
[15:27] <woogens> Are there any read errors? In this case it could be due to a defect cd/dvd drive.
[15:27] <thefish> where does it fail? does it give an error?
[15:27] <gx009> it does not run
[15:27] <woogens> (At least it remotely sounds like that)
[15:27] <gx009> execution fails
[15:28] <thefish> that really could mean anything
[15:28] <thefish> what error?
[15:29] <thefish> maybe we dont mean the same thing with the cd... did you go to the "check CD for errors" once you booted to it?
[15:29] <gx009> you dont get it.. there is no error.. installation halts as soon as it begins
[15:29] <thefish> try looking in the other ttys, cant remember which but there is a log there
[15:29] <thefish> try CTRL+ALT+F(1-9)
[15:30] <thefish> that may give you more of a clue
[15:31] <thefish> but again, if you have done a disk check from the installer, and its come back as OK, the problem is not likely to be the cd - and re-burning will not help no matter what os you use
[15:34] <gx009> am running 2 versions of linux and windows xp on that machine already..  the puter is not the problem
[15:36] <thefish> of course not mate
[15:59] <karooga> hi
[15:59] <karooga> anyone familiar with the fortran libs?
[16:44] <soundray> I'm thinking about testing intrepid on my Eee PC 900. Looking for hints, tips and general encouragement...
[17:10] <mok0> I just tried to install intrepid alpha 5 from the iso image, but no matter what I do it boots into busybox.
[17:11] <Oli```> Anyone have any experience migrating from comipz-git to repo-compiz? I'm getting glitches and slow screen updates so want to check it's not just my build but every time I try I seem to get broken packages =(
[17:14] <mok0> Oli```: sorry, haven't had much luck with compiz
[17:29] <soundray> mok0: have you got an unusual drive setup? RAID? A rare SATA controller?
[17:30] <mok0> soundray: no. The ubuntu installer works, not the kubuntu ditto
[17:30] <mok0> ... and it still has the Heron background...
[17:31] <soundray> mok0: artwork is usually changed late in the pre-release phase
[17:31] <mok0> yeah, I know...
[17:31] <mok0> Just making a fuzz here...
[17:31] <soundray> mok0: does hardy boot okay?
[17:32] <mok0> soundray: yes, and intrepid does in ubuntu version
[17:32] <soundray> mok0: just kubuntu fails? That's weird
[17:33] <mok0> yes
[17:33] <soundray> mok0: the kernel or initramfs packages must be out of step between ubuntu and kubuntu. Worth a launchpad report.
[17:34] <mok0> soundray: no matter what I do, it comes out in busybox with an (initramfs) prompt
[17:34] <mok0> soundray: what should I file that under
[17:35] <soundray> mok0: don't know. Perhaps search for similar reports first, then file against the same package. It will also let you say "don't know"
[17:36] <mok0> soundray: ok, I'll search LP for something relevant
[17:41] <mok0> I tried doing apt-get dist-upgrade from hardy -> intrepid; it trashed the system
[17:43] <soundray> mok0: did you do a full update first, and did you have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[17:44] <mok0> soundray: I am a kubuntu user, so probably not
[17:44] <mok0> I did a full upgrade first
[17:44] <soundray> kubuntu-desktop, then?
[17:44] <mok0> soundray: yes
[17:44] <mok0> soundray: perhaps the kde4 one, even
[17:45] <mok0> soundray: The install eventually died on some gtk components
[17:45] <soundray> What did you do then?
[17:46] <mok0> soundray: download the intrepid installer ;-)
[17:46] <mok0> soundray: the problem with these things is that you can't repeat it
[17:47] <soundray> mok0: if it got stuck on gtk stuff, it should still have been bootable, no?
[17:47] <mok0> soundray: probably
[17:48] <mok0> soundray: but the whole system was a mix of old and new, so I went ahead
[17:48] <mok0> soundray: this is not my production machine, fortunately :-)
[17:49] <soundray> mok0: it better not be ;)
[17:49] <mok0> However, I had done incremental upgrades on it since edgy, so it's kinda like loosing a good friend
[17:50] <soundray> aww
[17:50] <soundray> I know exactly what you mean
[17:50] <mok0> soundray: I am worried that the libc 2.7 -> 2.8 upgrade had something to do with it
[17:54] <soundray> I'm thinking about testing intrepid on an Eee PC 900. Looking for hints, tips and general encouragement...
[17:56] <mok0> soundray: I am thinking of the EEE 901
[17:59] <soundray> You can't get that without XP, can you? If you can't, that would stop me...
[17:59] <mok0> soundray: I think so
[18:00] <mok0> soundray: I don't want XP either
[18:00] <mok0> I think the 901 has better battery life
[18:00] <mok0> due to the Atom processor
[18:02] <soundray> Battery is a problem on the 900. Mine came with a 4400 mAh one that lasts ~2h. I bought a 6600mAh, which sticks out the back and prevents the display from opening 180 degrees, but gives decent stamina
[18:10] <mok0> Ah, you already have the 900?
[18:10] <mok0> With a hard disk or a SSD?
[18:23] <DanaG> Heh, this morning I got 14 new e-mails about new bugs being marked as duplicates of 192888.
[18:23] <mp> Hi all, I have a serious problem: I am running Intrepid and now it doesn't recognize my nVidia graphic card anymore, meaning that I only get GNOME running in minimal resolution
[18:23] <mp> Funny thing is, it all worked fine in Hardy
[18:35] <s0u][ight> hello is linux-image-2.6.26-5-generic deleted from the repos?
[18:39] <mp> how do I downgrade to Hardy without wiping my harddrive?
[18:42] <x1250> mp, you can't
[18:52] <IdleOne> mp: you move your /home to a separate partition then you do a clean install of hardy without formating the /home partiton
[18:53] <mp> IdleOne, what tool can I use to create a seperate partition for /home/ ?
[18:53] <IdleOne> mp:  http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome
[18:53] <mp> thank you, I'll look into that immideately
[18:53] <IdleOne> no problem
[18:58] <gx009> if i have wireless connectivity on gnome it should also connect if i switch to a kde session, right?
[18:59] <gx009> am paranoid about knetworkmanager
[19:02] <gx009> tried burning 10 kubuntu 8.10 alpha 5 discs and all failed..  popped this ibex alpha1 disc and runs ok
[19:02] <gx009> grrr
[19:03] <gx009> shredder smells like burned plastic
[19:06] <gx009> am just going to install this alpha 1 with gnome, get it updated to current, and then try running kde4
[19:07] <gx009> hopefully wifi will be intact this way too
[19:48] <carandraug> mp: I had the same problem with my ATI graph card but I solved it by using the kernel I had with Hardy
[20:07] <void^> looks like there's a new feature in gnome-terminal: can't change keyboard shortcuts for 'switch to tab #x' ..
[20:13] <s0u][ight> hello i'm using ubuntu's intrepid release
[20:13] <s0u][ight> and when i try to compile compat-wireless i get
[20:13] <ph8> nicely done
[20:14] <s0u][ight> http://pastebin.ca/1197397
[20:14] <s0u][ight> there were no problems with linux-image-2.6.27-5-generic
[20:15] <s0u][ight> oops i mean 2.6.26-5-generic
[20:21] <MrKennie> adding module options to modprobe.d/options for iwl3945 seems to have no effect, has this changed in intrepid?
[20:23] <MrKennie> I'm actually trying to enable debug output so I can submit a bug report because I have a packet loss issue that has existed since hardy
[20:32] <ToHellWithGA> i used the "kcontrol" package to turn off sounds and change from single-click to double-click mode in kde applications running in vanilla ubuntu
[20:33] <ToHellWithGA> it no longer exists.  has it been replaced with something else which i can use to turn off sounds and change from single-click to double-click mode?
[20:33] <ToHellWithGA> !info kcontrol
[20:34] <ToHellWithGA> !info kcontrol hardy
[20:34] <MrKennie> ToHellWithGA: nothing under system settings?
[20:35] <ToHellWithGA> nada
[20:35] <ToHellWithGA> i like double-clicking in k3b
[20:39] <ToHellWithGA> MrKennie: now i know what you meant
[20:39] <ToHellWithGA> the package is now called "systemsettings" rather than "kcontrol"
[20:39] <MrKennie> ToHellWithGA: under keyboard and mouse
[20:39] <ToHellWithGA> thanks :)
[20:39] <baastrup> hey there im having an unresponsive keybord bout only under X/gdm, on my laptop what can that be?
[20:40] <ToHellWithGA> i don't have full kde, it was getting the package that had me hung up
[20:40] <MrKennie> ah
[20:40] <ToHellWithGA> later gators
[20:53] <laughtear> hello everyone, i need some help
[20:54] <laughtear> intrepid is installed, it's working well, but the hardware drivers of nvidia does not work properly. i just installed the alpha 5 this evening..
[20:56] <laughtear> the installed hardware driver is the 177th one of nvidia. but i also tried the 173 one before, nothing changed. i use this samsun 226bw in 800x600 now without 3d support (it should be 1680x1050)
[20:56] <laughtear> anyone have any idea about it which could help me?
[20:57] <laughtear> ???
[20:58] <laughtear> anybody here???
[21:01] <oxigen> no one knows how to help you apparently..
[21:01] <Tamagotono> Sorry, I just got here myself.  Is your monitor being detected properly but not allowing native resolution or is it just using default monitor settings?  Does it allow native resolutions if you use the NV driver?  Did it work with 8.04?
[21:03] <laughtear> well, when the system is starting a window appears (in low resolution) and says your graphic settings are not proper, i choose my graphic card and the monitor in that window but it fails..
[21:04] <laughtear> Tamagotono: thank you for you response...
[21:05] <laughtear> it does not allow the default res. of the monitor. but it was okay in hardy
[21:06] <laughtear> the restricted drivers are not working, the nvidia xserver settings program says so
[21:06] <laughtear> what will i do?
[21:06] <Tamagotono> read through your Xorg log file and see if it is detecting a usable monitor.  I am using a Viewsonic monitor with the 1680x1050 resolution but the Nvidia drivers cannot detect it.  It caused me a great deal of trouble until it gave it an EDID file to use.
[21:08] <laughtear> there my monitor is, looks like the screens and graphics settings put some lines for that...
[21:12] <Tamagotono> I don't understand.  are you saying that it is detected and is being used by the driver or it is failing, according to the xorg log?
[21:12] <laughtear> it's there in xorg.conf
[21:13] <laughtear> i don't have so much knowledge like you do... mean i'm a little dummy for these things
[21:14] <laughtear> well, one more thing, i can see nothing about the nvidia drivers in xorg.conf file...??
[21:16] <suprie> hai
[21:17] <suprie> i've upgraded to alpha 5
[21:17] <suprie> and now , there is no sound on my laptop
[21:17] <suprie> my soundcard is intel HDA
[21:19] <Tamagotono> laughtear: if you are running with the NV driver you will need to look at a log that was generated when trying to start X with the NVIDIA driver so the errors will show up.  You are currently using the nv drivers, correct?
[21:19] <suprie> okay forgot what i've said :D , it's working actually
[21:19] <suprie> it play sound now
[21:20] <bsnider> anybody here using an lcd?
[21:20] <Tamagotono> bsnider: probably lots of people.   You have a question about one?
[21:21] <bsnider> what do your fonts look like without subpixel smoothing?
[21:22] <bsnider> mine look like homer simpson's blindfolded scribblings
[21:22] <Tamagotono> I don't notice much difference personally.  But it does look a little nicer with it enabled.
[21:22] <Tamagotono> rough around the edges?
[21:22] <bsnider> try freesans
[21:24] <Tamagotono> bsnider: give me a minute.  my laptop is not running intrepid right now.  I'll boot into it and check out freesans
[21:24] <bsnider> k
[21:25] <Tamagotono> are you running alpha 4 or 5.  did you notice any difference between them?
[21:25] <bsnider> 5
[21:25] <bsnider> no difference
[21:25] <bsnider> this is a known bug but i wondered if everybody had it or it was specific to the graphics card
[21:26] <Tamagotono> which graphics card?
[21:26] <bsnider> nvidia
[21:27] <bsnider> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cairo/+bug/264254
[21:32] <bsnider> anybody here have an atheros wifi card, by any chance?
[21:35] <Tamagotono> OK, just checked it out on my laptop with an intel chipset.  It looks fine.  Unfortunately, it is using the VESA driver at 800x600 on a 1600x900 display so the results are somewhat subjective. :)
[21:36] <anmar> Hello Guys. I am testing Intrepid on my AMD G780 chipset board and it can't find my SATA drive. Any help gettting me further along so I can file some bugs?
[21:38] <Tamagotono> That reminded me of why I came here in the first place! :)  Anyone using the INTEL driver with a x4500MHD (aka Cantiga, aka G45) video chipset?  I can only get external video on my laptop unless I use the VESA driver.
[21:44] <bobesponja> hey
[21:45] <bobesponja> is there anything (badly) broken in intrepid today?
[21:46] <literal> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/264019
[21:46] <literal> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/150274
[21:46] <literal> I had these problems, but they have workarounds
[21:47] <bobesponja> ok thanks literal
[21:47] <literal> oh, oops, that second url is wrong
[21:48] <literal> I meant this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/267627
[21:58] <gx009> 2.6.27-2 does not boot up on mt-3422 (laptop)
[21:59] <gx009> 64bit
[21:59] <bsnider> what happens instead?
[22:00] <bsnider> Tamagotono, new intel driver being released on the 10th, will be merged shortly afterwards
[22:03] <gx009> i kept thinking it was the cd images of kubuntu that didnt work but the problem was that the puter couldnt boot up that specific kernel .. too bad i wasted 10 discs before figuring that one out
[22:04] <Tamagotono> kool, thanks.  I just bought the laptop and was thinking about returning it if I couldn't get a working display soon.
[22:12] <bsnider> you could try it with another distro
[22:12] <bsnider> like mandriva
[22:12] <bsnider> that one's closer to a stable release
[22:14] <gx009> in case you're talking to me.. 8.10 works well with my wireless card .. i just wanted to add kde .. which i have done under 2.6.26-2
[22:14] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/267627
[22:14] <dupondje> is duplicate
[22:15] <bsnider> i wasn't talking to you
[22:15] <dupondje> I know :)
[22:15] <dupondje> just some information ...
[22:15] <bsnider> but why would you want kde?
[22:15] <gx009> boredom
[22:16] <bsnider> i don't get it
[22:16] <anmar> Hello guys... it seems that intrepid has a problem with AMD 780G onbaord SATA controller.
[22:16] <anmar> I am gonna try the Alpha 5 first to get more information
[22:16] <gx009> but it looks cute too.. lets say am bored with the look of gnome
[22:18] <bsnider> anmar, amd doesn't have good linux support
[22:19] <chris062689> I know it's still in Alpha, but.. how stable is it?
[22:19] <dupondje> its stable
[22:19] <dupondje> just sometimes crappy problems :)
[22:19] <chris062689> I know Alpha software, your not supposed to use on Development Machines, etc.  But, for real life use, how stable is it?
[22:19] <bsnider> it is unstable
[22:19] <anmar> bsnider: yeah... they seem to heading in the right direction. This issue I think is a bug, cause my heron has been working without a hitch
[22:20] <void^> chris062689: if it eats all your data, will you be sad?
[22:20] <anmar> chris062689: I would listen to bsnider.  Use it for testing you code, if you want but don't develop on it.
[22:20] <gx009> small issues like not being able to boot up the latest kernel
[22:21] <anmar> gx009: or not finding your HD :)
[22:21] <bsnider> there's not anything like a stable kernel yet, lots of people can't boot it. use hardy
[22:21] <gx009> at least you got something to look at , anmar
[22:21] <bsnider> i would be totally shocked if intrepid meets its final release date
[22:21] <gx009> :-P
[22:21] <chris062689> Heh
[22:22] <chris062689> Ibex doesn't seem.. all that amazing.
[22:22] <anmar> gx009: Yeah... I have a calling to figure out what is going on and log a bug against it.
[22:22] <chris062689> Has anything been leaked about the new designer that's designing the theme?
[22:23] <gx009> i just use 2.6.26-2 .. that one still works.. hardy is oldschool already
[22:23] <bsnider> if you're bored with the human theme, use new wave
[22:24] <chris062689> Well, I want all of the neat new features
[22:24] <chris062689> Is Ibex really that unstable?
[22:24] <chris062689> Doesn't seem like much has changed aside from the kernel and new GNOME
[22:24] <gx009> i think it is easier for me to use kde4 now that it looks more gnomish
[22:25] <chris062689> How does KDE look GNOMEish?
[22:25] <bsnider> the kernel they're using is not a stable jernel release
[22:25] <bsnider> it's rc3 or 4
[22:25] <chris062689> Still, it's a RC.
[22:25] <gx009> the taskbar and icons are alot slimmer for once
[22:26] <bsnider> chris062689, boot the livecd and check how stable it is
[22:26] <chris062689> Yeah, that's probably the best way of doing it :)
[22:26] <chris062689> Whens beta come out again?
[22:26] <chris062689> !schedule
[22:27] <chris062689> It just looks like the Known Issues list keeps growing with each Alpha :(
[22:30] <chris062689> Does Alpha 5 include the new Compiz Fusion git?
[22:31] <RAOF> I'm not sure what you mean by "the", but there certainly is a git snapshot of Compiz in there.
[22:31] <bsnider> i can check the version
[22:31] <dupondje> 1:0.7.7+git20080807-0ubuntu6
[22:32] <bsnider> august 7 i guess
[22:32] <bsnider> or july 8
[22:32] <chris062689> lol
[22:34] <chris062689> Please tell me they've fixed all of the Pulseaudio bugs? :(
[22:34] <bsnider> so you want me to lie
[22:35] <chris062689> *sighs*
[22:35] <chris062689> Why did they put such a cripled system in a LTS?
[22:35] <bsnider> pulse 9.10 works ok i guess but 9.11 hasn't been added yet
[22:39] <bsnider> if you want a good pulseaudio you might have to go over to fedora i guess
[22:44] <RAOF> What do Fedora do differently?
[22:47] <crdlb> RAOF: employing lennart? :)
[22:47] <RAOF> Heh.
[22:50] <bsnider> i gues shtey don't have glitches and so forth, and they took the time to creat the "perfect setup" situation so users wouldn't have to do it themselves
[22:52] <bsnider> now supposedly they're trying to integrate it more and make it look more transparent with gnome instead of this clunky thing that's out there
[22:54]  * RAOF doesn't really notice the clunky thing.
[22:55] <bsnider> well, i don't think it's ideal to have two tray icons both having to do with the sound system
[22:55] <bsnider> and the pulse icons controls all sorts of stuff that's not terribly necessary  to show users
[22:56] <bsnider> that's more than clunky, it's confusing especially to first-time users
[23:02] <RAOF> bsnider: Right.  The advanced controls could do with some polish.
[23:03] <RAOF> The simple controls are exactly the same.
[23:03] <RAOF> (As the regular GNOME ones)
[23:03] <bsnider> no
[23:04] <RAOF> No?
[23:04] <bsnider> there is no master control channel on the pulse volume control window
[23:04] <bsnider> there is no program volume control list on alsamix
[23:04] <bsnider> so you now need 2 tray icons to do what one should
[23:05] <bsnider> i want one tab that controls everything, like in vista
[23:05] <bsnider> except i don't want to use vista
[23:05] <RAOF> Right.  But the things you're asking for are new features of pulse; the old UI still controls the old features.
[23:05] <RAOF> That's what I meant.  If you don't care about the cool things pulse can do, you don't have to.
[23:06] <bsnider> who says i don't care about all the cool things pulse can do?
[23:06] <bsnider> i do like pulse
[23:07] <bsnider> i would like a program that mixes alsamix and pavucontrol
[23:07] <RAOF> So would I.
[23:07] <bsnider> or merges i guess is how it should be said
[23:07] <RAOF> Well, not alsamix.  Gnome-volume-control ;)
[23:07] <bsnider> yeah
[23:08] <bsnider> frontend for alsamix
[23:08] <bsnider> from what i've heard, this is what fedora's developing
[23:08] <RAOF> Proabably.  It's the obvious thing to do.
[23:21] <carandraug> it seems that many people use the middle button to select and then paste that text or to open firefox tabs in new tabs. To do that I use right and left click at the same time (or I used to). I updated to Intrepid and that option no longers work. Anyone knows how to restore it? I think it's called middle click emulation. I didn't even knew that as it has always worked for me that way
[23:27] <milos_> i can't manage to make nvidia-glx driver work with kernel 2.6.27-2-generic, is that normal?
[23:28] <RAOF> milos_: Which (of the 4) drivers have you tried?
[23:28] <milos_> RAOF, 177
[23:29] <bsnider> roaf is the one to go to
[23:29] <RAOF> milos_: Works For Me(tm).
[23:29] <RAOF> You're not trying from nvidia.com, are you?
[23:30] <milos_> RAOF, then I am doing something wrong. No, this is how I tried:
[23:31] <milos_> RAOF, 1. boot with 2.6.27-2-generic, 2. reinstall nvidia-177-kernel-source
[23:31] <carandraug> I've found how to do it myself. I have to add the line "Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true"" in my Xorg. here's more options in the man page of "mousedrv"
[23:32] <RAOF> milos_: That sounds about right.
[23:33] <bsnider> and nvidia-glx-177
[23:33] <milos_> RAOF, when I do this it's it breaks installation showing some error about nvidia.ko I can't remember everything
[23:34] <milos_> bsnider, of course,this is automatically installed
[23:36] <milos_> does anybody now how to run 'apt-get install nvidia-177-kernel-source' so the error is written in file?
[23:36] <RAOF> milos_: "aptitude reinstall nvidia-177-kernel-source > mylogfile".  Yay console redirection!
[23:37] <milos_> RAOF, ok I will try now
[23:57] <milos_> RAOF, here is the the log http://pastebin.com/m2143b24a
[23:57] <bsnider> is linux-headers installed?


[14:44] <cmaloney> Happy day after Thanksgiving day
[14:44] <cmaloney> akak #000000 Friday.
[15:59] <rick_h_> ugh
[15:59]  * rick_h_ crawls back to bed so tired
[22:17] <cmaloney> rick_h_: I see the cleaning pics on G+
[22:31] <cmaloney> http://rs79.vrx.net/works/photoessays/2014/black_friday/
[22:32] <cmaloney> http://blackfridaydeathcount.com/


[00:04] <knosys> Is there a list of keyboard shortcuts for Xubuntu OS? I am trying to find that information in Xubuntu.org
[00:05] <knosys> ooh i see its allmost all with Super
[00:25] <garrie> Hey.
[00:25] <garrie> What's the off topic version of the room?
[00:26] <knome> garrie, it's creatively called #xubuntu-offtopic
[00:26] <David-A> garrie: when you log into this room, there should be a Topic message presented to you. In that, there should be the name of the offtopic channel. Can you see it?
[00:27] <garrie> David-A, aye.
[00:38] <knosys> Hello guys, after installing restricted extras package, Gstreamer application still doesnt recognize m4a files in Directories. I also rebooted just in case.
[00:39] <knosys> I have been looking for info , but it looks that i did the right steps, so im a bit lost, can anyone help with this?
[00:40] <knosys> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8489418/   there is all packages related to 'gstreamer' i can found installed
[00:40] <knosys> i just installed xubuntu-restricted-extras
[00:41] <anthonyme12> Anyone have time for a xubuntu n00b question?
[00:43] <knosys> anthonyme12 ask
[00:49] <anthonyme12> I'm brand new to xubuntu..dumped windows 7 pro and installed xfce (think that's what it's called). Everything looks great except for one thing. The "lock" screen doesn't seem to match the resolution of the desktop. I'm using a widescreen dell monitor.
[00:50] <anthonyme12> In other words, the lock screen shows a sizable blank/black border around the left and bottom. I took a cell phone image if that would be helpful at all.
[00:51] <anthonyme12> Forgive me if this is something that I should simply google search for. I tried to do so and wasn't coming up with much.
[00:53] <anthonyme12> Just tossed the pic on postimage for reference: http://s30.postimg.org/xah13uu01/100214_4.jpg
[01:30] <holstein> anthonyme12: i say,just relax and enjoy the defaults
[01:31] <holstein> anthonyme12: think about how long you have used windows without messing with the resolution on the lock screen.. or, how long you used it without adjusting the resolution on anything
[01:32] <xangua> It looks right to me
[01:32] <xangua> You can change light dm theme and make it look like ubuntu touch alike
[01:39] <anthonyme12> I didn't jump into support chat (volunteer or not) hoping that someone would tell me to "just relax". I figured someone would have insights as to how this gets changed. You're right..no biggie.
[01:40] <holstein> anthonyme12: lol.. im not intending to be abrasive, i promise. im literally suggesting you give this OS as much time and patience as you did the one you come from that you are more familiar with
[01:40] <xangua>  Yes you can change light dm theme
[01:40] <holstein> anthonyme12: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightDM
[01:41] <anthonyme12> Sorry...guess I'm new to this realm and it's frustrating that I've been a tech support guy with windows for almost 8 years now but I come to xubuntu and I have to kinda/sorta relearn everything.
[01:42] <holstein> anthonyme12: no. you will completely need to re-learn.. but for the most part, since its all open, *anything* is possible
[01:43] <anthonyme12> That's what I'm looking forward to here. Thus far everything about the new desktop is really nice - I'm liking it. I'll investigate the link above.
[01:46] <holstein> anthonyme12: also, when i was migrating, i found it helpful to experiment with the live environment, and with a virtual installation in virtualbox.. you can save snapshots in vbox, and really change/break things and easily revert
[01:49] <anthonyme12> looking at the lightdm.conf file to investigate the format of the file itself. I don't see anything dealing with the "greeter" resolution...will keep snooping around :)
[01:51] <holstein> anthonyme12: could also be as simple as using the appropriate nvidia driver.. if that fits your scenario
[01:52] <anthonyme12> holstein: That's a good suggestion. I have multiple laptops so I basically left my "daily driver" as is and used a Lenovo T400 with an 128GB SSD and 6GB RAM as the xubuntu machine...booted from USB and performed a format/clean install.
[01:53] <anthonyme12> holstein: also good call on the driver...I'll have a look into that as well.
[13:40] <_ynk> hello. I have a problem upgrading from 13.10 to 14.04
[13:40] <cfhowlett> !eolupgrade | _ynk
[13:40] <cfhowlett> _ynk, 13.10 is end of life. normal upgrade disabled.
[13:41] <_ynk> cfhowlett: what do you mean? you suggest wiping and reinstalling?
[13:41] <_ynk> well look, I've almost had everything upgraded perfectly.... just this issue that is bothering me, perhaps you can help with it. let me explain first
[13:42] <cfhowlett> ...
[13:42] <cfhowlett> ...
[13:42] <_ynk> forget it I'll try to handle it myself sry for coming to ask here
[16:04] <xubuntu185> buenas
[16:04] <xubuntu185> que diferencias tenemos con Ubuntu??
[16:05] <baizon> !es | xubuntu185
[16:05] <xubuntu185> gracias
[18:56] <Yoosi> are there any good themes available for xfce like numix?
[18:57] <cfhowlett> Yoosi, www.xfce-look.org
[18:58] <Yoosi> thanks cfhowlett. are there any you recommend?
[18:59] <cfhowlett> Yoosi, I like the ubuntustudio theme.  search for "numix" and you'll see lots of choices
[19:03] <Yoosi> thanks cfhowlett
[19:03] <cfhowlett> Yoosi, happy2help
[19:29] <xangua> I like the ambiance and radiance theme :P
[21:34] <Churuya-san> I just switched from Debian. Why does Hibernate not work in Xubuntu 14.04.1?
[21:35] <knome> it is disabled by default
[21:35] <Churuya-san> Why? What's the rationale behind that?
[21:38] <knome> because it's not working for everybody without problems
[21:38] <knome> those we need it and know that it works can enable it
[21:39] <knome> *who
[21:39] <Churuya-san> Ah I see. Well I will test it.
[21:40] <Churuya-san> Works fine :)
[21:41] <knome> Churuya-san, well, enjoy
[21:43] <Churuya-san> Also, why is bluetooth support so shitty?
[21:43] <knome> please remember this is a family-friendly channel...
[21:44] <Churuya-san> Ah, sorry. Why is bluetooth support so terrible?
[21:44] <knome> i don't use bluetooth much myself, so i can't judge that... maybe bluetooth support is bad in general in linux?
[21:45] <Churuya-san> Perhaps. Bluez/blueman keep crashing or something.
[21:46] <knome> filing bugs ultimately helps, but there's no instant gratification thre..
[21:46] <Churuya-san> People were talking about the bug back in 2004
[21:50] <knome> yes... sometimes fixing bugs takes years.
[22:41] <xubuntu96w> does anyone know how to install xubuntu to an IBM xSeries 225 type 8647?>
[22:42] <ethermonk> are you having a particular issue?
[22:42] <xubuntu96w> well, i'm trying to boot from usb as i have no spare discs to burn
[22:43] <xubuntu96w> but i've no clue how to tell it to do that
[22:44] <xubuntu96w> the only linux it's booted has been knoppix 6.2
[22:50] <ethermonk> http://www-947.ibm.com/support/entry/portal/docdisplay?lndocid=tool-bomc
[22:54] <ethermonk> http://www.fixya.com/support/t8587885-ibm_eserver_xseries_225_8649_want
[23:47] <Churuya-san> Cool! I got my bluetooth apple keyboard working :)
[23:47] <Churuya-san> it's so nice


[00:02] <RainCT> out of curiosity, is there any music player using clutter (eg with a cover view as main UI, or whatever), other than the media center stuff (which is designed to run fullscreen)?
[02:54] <astronouth7303> is there a page about getting a package into universe?
[02:58] <astronouth7303> can you?
[03:00] <ScottK> astronouth7303: One can, but not at the moment.  We add new packages at the start of a development cycle and focus on fixing bugs towards the end.
[03:00] <ScottK> !revu | astronouth7303
[03:00] <kwadronaut> astronouth7303: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages
[03:00] <ScottK> What kwadronaut says too.
[03:01] <astronouth7303> ok, thanks
[04:38] <MTeck> What would you think about the ability to have you're own little dashboard so you can log in and see things such as open bugs assigned to you, add a short note, view open bugs in a speific project, etc?
[04:39] <ScottK> I would think if I needed such a thing, Launchpad ought to provide it.
[04:39] <ScottK> Reasonably certain I don't need it, but most of my work here isn't very bug driven.
[04:40] <MTeck> ScottK: I'm thinking about trying to add the feature to LP
[04:41] <ScottK> I can already get a list of bugs assigned to me.
[05:02] <ScottK> bddebian: You around?
[05:14] <bddebian> ScottK: Was just heading to bed, what's up?
[05:15] <ScottK> bddebian: I got a simple QA upload perhaps for you in Debian.
[05:15] <bddebian> ScottK: OK, have it posted somewhere?
[05:15] <ScottK> bddebian: Not yet
[05:15] <ScottK> Want me push it to mentors and you can upload it tomorrow maybe?
[05:16] <bddebian> ScottK: Sure, anywhere, then just leave me a /privmsg so I don't forget :)
[05:16] <ScottK> Should only take a few minutes to get ready
[06:37] <coppro> where's the policy on bug reports at?
[07:44] <AnAnt> Hello, is Rolf Leggewie here ?
[09:36] <YokoZar> Is there a sane way to marry quilt and cdbs?
[09:36] <YokoZar> other than switch out cdbs for debhelper ;)
[10:09] <pochu> YokoZar: yes
[10:10] <pochu> include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/patchsys-quilt.mk
[10:10] <pochu> on your rules file
[10:10] <pochu> that's all :)
[11:51] <moldy> help, launchpad is driving me crazy
[11:52] <lifeless> how so
[11:52] <moldy> how can i make my ppa *forget* packages i uploaded in the past?
[11:52] <lifeless> AFAIK you can't
[11:52] <lifeless> rationale: users may have downloaded them already, so the versions can't really be recycled.
[11:52] <moldy> i keep getting that "already exists, but uploaded version has different contents" stuff, it's driving me crazy
[11:53] <moldy> i don't understand how to avoid that
[11:53] <lifeless> don't regenerate upstream tarballs and don't reuse version numbers
[11:54] <moldy> i don't think i can avoid regenerating the upstream tarball
[11:54] <lifeless> oh?
[11:54] <moldy> i did bump the version number though
[11:55] <moldy> i am developing a python package. i use this tools to generate a deb out of my setuptools package: http://github.com/astraw/stdeb/tree/master
[11:56] <moldy> would bumping the upstream version everytime help?
[11:57] <wgrant> Yes, but that's wrong.
[11:58] <moldy> what do you suggest?
[11:59] <moldy> btw, why would it be wrong, if the actual sources changed?
[11:59] <lifeless> moldy: use pristine tar
[12:00] <lifeless> moldy: have the package be a normal package as opposed to a 'native' package
[12:00] <lifeless> moldy: and then the last 'release' of the package will have a constant tarball
[12:00] <wgrant> moldy: If the actual sources changed, then you should bump the version.
[12:00] <lifeless> update that when you do a release
[12:01] <moldy> i guess i started playing with the debian/ppa stuff a little too early
[12:45] <lase> Laney: Hi, I'm trying to package a program but need help with the rules file. The compile instructions for the program: http://pastebin.com/m5408c06
[12:45] <lase> Should I start from the rules.tiny file?
[12:48] <Laney> lase: yeah
[12:48] <Laney> try a build with that file and see what goes wrong
[12:48] <Laney> (if anything)
[12:48] <Laney> then I'll be able to help you further
[12:53] <lase> ok, will try but the install instructions are not really standard
[12:54] <Laney> it's easier to work with things if you have an idea of where you are and where you need to go
[13:03] <lase> i run debuild -S, http://pastebin.com/m5408c06
[13:10] <lase> and this is what debuild gives: http://pastebin.com/m2518294
[13:52] <LLStarks> there is a dependency problem
[13:53] <LLStarks> geser, you may have said otherwise, but i'd like to present this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1259339
[13:56] <geser> I've never said that there is no problem, just that I can't reproduce it easily
[14:00] <geser> and in our last discussion I just wanted to understand how to possibly reproduce it
[14:01] <LLStarks> i have no idea
[14:01] <hyperair> hmmm why does command 2>&1 > /dev/null still dump error outputs to terminal while command 2>/dev/null 1>/dev/null work?
[14:01] <hyperair> LLStarks: nice timing :)
[14:01] <LLStarks> my x session cut out
[14:02] <LLStarks> it'll probably cut out again.
[14:03] <hyperair> hmm wait, it's supposed to be the other way round. i feel stupid now
[14:17] <xnox> Hello =) Is there a way to query which version a particular package has in other distros? eg fedora, opensuse etc
[14:37] <ScottK> superm1: Would you please look at the myth stuff in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS/libraw1394-8 - we're getting close to done with that transition.
[14:52] <bddebian> ScottK: Uploaded (finally.. sheesh)
[14:52] <ScottK> bddebian: Thanks.
[14:55] <bddebian> Is there a clean way to pass DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip to pbuilder?  I swore I found a way but I'm having a brianfart :(
[14:57] <ScottK> bddebian: Does using --debbuildopts do it?
[14:58] <bddebian> Not unless I'm doing it wrong
[15:04] <ScottK> OK.  Well that's the only knob I found that seemed likely.
[15:06] <ScottK> TheMuso: libffado no longer builds for lpia and is an rdepend of jack.  Would you please look into if we should convince libffado to build on lpia or jack should be taught not to expect it there?
[16:36] <ahe> i'm trying to build my first package but the configure script can't be found during debuild and it seems that the source code isn't extracted or at least it's called in the wrong directory
[16:36] <ahe> could some explain to me how the upstream source code is extracted at all, please?
[16:37] <ahe> is this done in the rules file?
[16:37] <ahe> or does this happen implicitly?
[16:37] <geser> dpkg-source does it (once you have a debian source package)
[16:38] <geser> the steps are: tar xf the.orig.tar.gz, patch it with .diff.gz and make debian/rules executable
[16:38] <geser> after that the target from debian/rules can be used
[16:41] <ScottK> geser: I've got a FTBFS I'm fixing that I needed to add #include <cstdio>  to.  I added it in filename.h.  In the relevant bug in Debian, they added it to the .cpp file.  It builds with it in .h.  Which is preferred?
[16:44] <quidnunc> Is there a way to use the command line to download source from a PPA? Something like pull-lp-source?
[16:45] <ScottK> quidnunc: You can use dget if you have the path to the .dsc file.
[16:48] <geser> ScottK: The .cpp file is probably better as the included functions are only known to the .cpp file and not all files which include the .h file
[16:48] <ScottK> geser: Thanks.
[16:50] <quidnunc> ScottK: Why doesn't dget work for the dsc here?: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cedet/+bug/385002
[16:51] <ScottK> quidnunc: Because that's a direct link to the launchpadlibrarian, not a regular package file like (PPAs redirect to the librarian).  Use dgetlp for these.
[16:52] <quidnunc> Thanks ScottK
[16:53] <quidnunc> ScottK: Erm, dgetlp doesn't seem to work either (Failed to fetch <<diff.gz>> file, aborting)
[16:53] <ScottK> Not sure then.
[16:53] <ahe> geser: but shouldn't this also be done when i try to build the binary package with 'debuild'?
[16:54] <quidnunc> ScottK: Thanks anyway
[16:54] <ahe> when i execute it without parameters my rules file fails because it can't find the configure script that is there in the orig.tar.bz2
[16:59] <geser> ahe: when you call debuild you should be inside your source package
[16:59] <geser> or do you have a tar inside a tar?
[17:00] <ahe> i have a directory with a subdirectory debian and the package files
[17:01] <ahe> in the level below there is the orig file
[17:01] <ahe> i call debuild form this "middle" directory
[17:02] <geser> and the orig file below your current dir contains the package files (further tar files)?
[17:04] <ahe> geser: yeah, i can build a source package there by calling 'debuild -S' and before my rules file did anything useful debuild ran and built source and (empty) binary packages in this directory
[17:05] <ahe> the "middle" directory is completely empty except for the debian subdir
[17:05] <ahe> shouldn't debuild extract the source to debian/tmp or and execute the rules file there?
[17:09] <ahe> ok i think i see my mistake now
[17:10] <geser> debuild is used to build a source and/or binary packages
[17:10] <ahe> i have to extract the source into the directory with the debian subdir
[17:10] <ahe> i only did metapackages so far and just copied such a template
[17:12] <ahe> geser: thanks for the help
[17:13] <quidnunc> Is there an option to aptitude that says "update to the latest version of the named packages, ignoring apt-pinning">
[17:13] <quidnunc> ?
[17:51] <ramvi1> When I try to compile Wubi I get sh: i586-mingw32msvc-gcc: not found, how do I fix that? http://pastebin.com/d22aabd04
[17:53] <RainCT> iulian: thanks for the REVU :)
[18:00] <hyperair> ramvi1: install mingw32
[18:04] <ramvi1> hyperair: nice! THanks
[18:04] <hyperair> np
[18:08] <ramvi1> hyperair: Now I'm getting grub-mkimage: invalid option -- 'c'. http://pastebin.com/d4ca84a77
[18:10] <ramvi1> When I try to compile Wubi I get grub-mkimage: invalid option -- 'c'. How do I get around that? http://pastebin.com/d4ca84a77
[18:15] <NoelJB> I don't believe that it is in MOTU, but it was suggested on #ubunut+1 that I pop in here anyway and ask for someone to look at bug 422234.  The fix has been out upstream, simple fix, without it there is ZERO functionality in the currently published package, and I've posted the necessary debdiff.
[18:15] <Laney> viganere is a main package
[18:16] <Laney> if the sponsors are subscribed it will be looked at
[18:19] <NoelJB> Laney, whom do I make sure is subscribed?
[18:20] <NoelJB> Laney, and (as I said) I realized that it wasn't MOTU.
[18:20] <hyperair> ubuntu-main-sponsors
[18:21] <NoelJB> Thanks for confirming.  I just finished doing that.
[18:21] <hyperair> ramvi1: i have no idea. never used grub-mkimage before
[18:21] <Laney> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/SponsorshipProcess?action=show&redirect=DeveloperGuide%2FSponsorship
[18:22] <ramvi1> hyperair: But I'm not the one using grub-mkimage. It's the makefile of wubi. Isn't that weird?
[18:22] <hyperair> ramvi1: check that you're having the correct grub version.
[18:22] <hyperair> ramvi1: it needs grub2
[18:22] <hyperair> aka grub-pc
[18:22] <ramvi1> I've installed grub-pc
[18:22] <hyperair> then i have no idea
[18:22] <hyperair> go poke the maintainers of that said makefile
[18:22] <hyperair> or ask in #grub
[18:23] <ramvi1> ok, thanks for your time :)
[18:23] <hyperair> np
[18:29]  * zookoafk upgrades his son's laptop to Karmic
[18:29] <zooko> Yikes.  "lzma: Decoder error.. 51%"
[19:31] <diwic> How many hours per week is a "Ubuntu Universe Contributor" expected to spend on Ubuntu?
[19:32] <geser> between 0 and 168
[19:34] <diwic> Well, that doesn't seem to overwhelming
[19:34] <diwic> s/to/too
[20:11] <iulian> RainCT: Yea, sorry for the delay.
[20:14] <funkyHat> Hi, is there a page where I can view open needs-packaging bug reports?
[20:16] <iulian> Look for bugs which have 'needs-packaging' tag set.
[20:18] <funkyHat> Thanks iulian :)
[20:19] <RainCT> iulian: Isn't a problem, I have to wait for the FFe anyway :)
[20:19] <iulian> Ah, right.
[20:20] <funkyHat> Although, is it actually worth making new packages at the moment? Maybe I should look at helping somewhere else
[21:18] <Ryan52> ifvoid: thanks!/g 24
[21:18] <Ryan52> err oops
[21:19] <Ryan52> how do I get a package reviewed/sponsored/whatevered right now?
[21:19] <Ryan52> do I need approval first from a release person?
[21:20] <funkyHat> Ryan52: attach the diff.gz to the bug report I think
[21:20] <Ryan52> well this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[21:21] <Ryan52> says "Up through RC, if a MOTU believes upload of a new upstream release that just has bug fixes in it is warranted, they may upload it using this process:"
[21:21] <Ryan52> but it doesn't mention what to do with uploads that aren't new upstream releases.
[21:21] <Ryan52> my upload is just a bugfix. (right now the program in karmic is completely broken, I'm fixing that)
[21:21] <sebner> Ryan52: bugfixes are always welcomed. attach the debdiff to a bug report
[21:22]  * funkyHat is feeling stupid
[21:22] <Ryan52> sebner: okay. then what do I do?
[21:22] <andv> Ryan52, is it a bug fix only release?
[21:22] <Ryan52> it's not a new upstream
[21:22] <andv> Ryan52, if yes, you don't need an FFe
[21:22] <funkyHat> I am trying to fix a bug, I've updated the source package, but I'm trying to build the package using dpkg-buildpackage to test it, and I'm getting an error that seems unrelated to the changes I made
[21:22] <Ryan52> andv: okay.
[21:22] <Ryan52> so once I attach a debdiff, who do I bother?
[21:23] <Ryan52> this channel?
[21:23] <andv> Ryan52, subscribe universe-sponsors
[21:23] <sebner> Ryan52: is the package in main or universe?
[21:23] <Ryan52> ah, okay.
[21:23] <andv> Ryan52, if the package is in main, subscribe main sponsors
[21:23] <andv> Ryan52, package name?
[21:24] <funkyHat> http://pastebin.ca/1556446 < did I break this, or am I just not building it right?
[21:25] <sebner> funkyHat: either install the stuff mentioned or use pbuilder to build the package
[21:26] <funkyHat> ah :)
[21:26] <funkyHat> I had a feeling I was just being stupid, thanks
[21:26] <andv> funkyHat, no, just some unmet deps
[21:26] <andv> funkyHat, just start to use pbuilder
[21:26] <andv> funkyHat, apt-get it and do an pbuilder --help for what you can do with it
[21:27] <funkyHat> Building with pbuilder now :)
[21:27]  * c_korn also likes sbuild :)
[21:28] <Ryan52> iulian left :(
[21:28] <Ryan52> nhandler, asac: can one of you sponsor this please? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-web-photo/+bug/423822
[21:28] <andv> Ryan52, can you please tell me package's name?
[21:28] <Ryan52> andv: gnome-web-photo
[21:28] <funkyHat> I am completely new to this packaging thing, I've tried to follow a couple of the developer week sessions but they've all been at awkward times, and reading the logs isn't as good because I can't ask questions :D
[21:29] <andv> Ryan52, if you can wait one day, I can do it for you
[21:29] <sebner> funkyHat: heh, there are a couple of wiki pages helping you, else you can ask here
[21:29] <andv> funkyHat, first of all, you should create a working tarball
[21:30] <andv> funkyHat, pbuilder --help is your friend again
[21:30] <Ryan52> andv: sure, thanks!
[21:30] <andv> Ryan52, let me see your debdiff
[21:30] <Ryan52> andv: it's on the bug I posted.
[21:30] <andv> yep, reading
[21:31] <funkyHat> andv: at the moment I am just trying to fix https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brasero/+bug/420434 which appears to just need a change to debian/control(.in) but I will find out soon whether I've missed something :)
[21:31] <andv> funkyHat, if you have any problem, just ask here
[21:32] <andv> I'll help you if I'm around
[21:32] <funkyHat> Thanks :)
[21:33] <andv> Ryan52, looks fine
[21:33] <Ryan52> cool.
[21:33] <andv> Ryan52, I'll have to test it out
[21:33] <andv> Ryan52, plus I'll have to have an ack from asac about it
[21:33] <Ryan52> why?
[21:34] <andv> Ryan52, he follows ffox / xulrunner stuff, so I would like to have him looking at those changes
[21:34] <Ryan52> ah, okay.
[21:34] <andv> Ryan52, ping me tomorrow
[21:34] <Ryan52> well he wanted me to fix it to use XPCOM glue correctly, but I failed at that.
[21:34] <Ryan52> this at least fixes it for now, tho still in a very wrong way that makes me sad. :)
[21:35] <andv> I'll see if he likes your fix
[21:35] <andv> else you'll have to follow what he suggests
[21:35] <andv> :)
[21:35] <andv> Ryan52, ping me tomorrow (same time)
[21:35] <andv> and I'll let you know
[21:35] <Ryan52> kk
[21:36] <Ryan52> my first non-sync upload to Ubuntu. how did this happen? :P
[21:36] <andv> Ryan52, oh cool
[21:36] <andv> Ryan52, the first sponsored upload is alwais great
[21:37] <andv> Ryan52, I don't know if your versioning is correct
[21:37] <andv> Ryan52, 0.8-0ubuntu1.ffox35 is the one before
[21:38] <Ryan52> oh.
[21:38] <andv> so I guess you should adjust it
[21:38] <andv> to follow previous upload syntax
[21:38] <Ryan52> are you sure? all the versions I've seen are -0ubuntuX
[21:39] <andv> Ryan52, your versioning is *right*, but asac changed the way of versioning that package
[21:39] <Ryan52> yes, because it was a upload for ffox35
[21:39] <Ryan52> now it's not an upload specific to that
[21:39] <Ryan52> well I dunno, what do you suggest?
[21:39] <Ryan52> 0.8-0ubuntu1.ffox35.1 ?
[21:40] <andv> nono
[21:40] <andv> actually keeping asac's versioning
[21:40] <andv> should be 0.8-0ubuntu2.ffox35
[21:40] <Ryan52> ah
[21:40] <Ryan52> what's the point of the extra .ffox35?
[21:40] <andv> but I'll ask him to be sure
[21:40] <andv> don't know, I've not added it
[21:41] <andv> when asac will review your patch, I gonna ask about versioning as well
[21:41] <Ryan52> okay.
[21:41] <andv> Ryan52, he's off now, so everything will happen tomorrow most likely
[21:42] <Ryan52> andv: can you also write on the bug that you're going to sponsor it so that nhandler doesn't? :)
[21:42]  * Ryan52 used his super ping-people-you-know powers too early this time :P
[21:42] <andv> Ryan52, just assign it to me
[21:42] <andv> plus add a comment
[21:42] <andv> waiting asac's response about this
[21:44]  * funkyHat wonders where the package he just built has been put
[21:44] <andv> funkyHat, /var/cache/pbuilder contains everything you may need
[21:45] <andv> funkyHat, look into result dir
[21:45] <sebner> funkyHat: + /result
[21:45] <funkyHat> result is empty :/
[21:46] <andv> bad news then
[21:46] <andv> lol
[21:46] <sebner> funkyHat: did the build succeed?
[21:46] <funkyHat> As far as I can tell
[21:46] <andv> funkyHat, paste console messages
[21:46] <andv> on a pastebin
[21:47] <funkyHat> http://paste2.org/p/416514
[21:48] <andv> funkyHat, are you really sure your result dir is empty?
[21:48] <funkyHat> Yes
[21:49] <funkyHat> I have brasero_2.27.91-0ubuntu3_source.changes in ~/Projects/motu/brasero
[21:49] <sebner> funkyHat: use the search function to look for libbrasero-media-dev_2.27.91-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[21:49] <andv> funkyHat, locate libbrasero-media-dev_2.27.91-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[21:49] <andv> funkyHat, use that command
[21:53] <andv> Ryan52, done?
[21:53] <Ryan52> andv: done with what?
[21:54] <andv> Ryan52, setting me as assignee plus adding a comment 'waiting asac's comment about this'
[21:54] <micahg> andv, you might want to have him run sudo updatedb first
[21:54] <Ryan52> andv: ah, yep.
[21:54] <funkyHat> Isn't sudo updatedb a bad idea?
[21:54] <micahg> it updates the locate database
[21:55] <funkyHat> Or is it clever enough not to scan private dirs?
[21:55] <sebner> funkyHat: you could also use the graphical search ^^
[21:56] <funkyHat> I used find instead
[21:56] <micahg> that works, just a little slower
[21:56] <Ryan52> andv: can I /msg you real quick?
[21:56] <andv> Ryan52, yes
[21:58] <funkyHat> !
[21:58] <funkyHat> ~/pbuilder
[22:09] <awalton> hey guys, having a headache trying to figure out something:
[22:09] <awalton> how do I conditionally install a file if we're on a x86 (but NOT 64-bit) system
[22:09] <awalton> I'm sure this should be easier than my brain is trying to make it
[22:10] <geser> what's the reason for it?
[22:10] <awalton> the library doesn't work on 64-bit OSes
[22:10] <awalton> (it's a win32 compat shim)
[22:10] <Laney> use the Architecture: field
[22:10] <andv> awalton, specify archs manually
[22:10] <andv> awalton, modify architecture field on debian/control
[22:10] <awalton> well that's the rub, we want it to build it on other archs, but we just don't want the shim to be installed
[22:10] <geser> is the package usefull without this file on 64-bit systems?
[22:10] <awalton> it still works to load native libraries
[22:11] <awalton> we just don't want the wine-like shim loader installed
[22:11] <geser> you could check for which are you are building and conditionally install the file or not
[22:12] <awalton> the library I'm working on (libbml) loads 'buzz machines', but they can either be built natively (if we have the source), or we can load the win32 dlls.. if we want to do the latter, we have to have a dll-shim, but it doesn't work unless we're on x86-32
[22:12] <awalton> that's what I'm trying to do geser, but my brain's not working it out
[22:13] <Laney> $DEB_HOST_ARCH
[22:13] <awalton> is there a simple way to test in the rules file if we're on x86 but not amd64 from DEB_HOST_ARCH?
[22:14] <geser> awalton: see the manpage for dpkg-architecture, it contains also some examples which you can use in debian/rules as a starting point
[22:14] <awalton> lemme check that out
[22:14] <funkyHat> Ok, I have tested my brasero package and it seems to work fine, do I attach the .diff.gz or a different file?
[22:15] <funkyHat> *to the bug
[22:16] <funkyHat> Oh I use debdiff, right
[22:17] <geser> the .diff.gz for a new upstream version and a debdiff for a bug fix
[22:20] <funkyHat> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brasero/+bug/420434 could someone have a look at this and check I've done it right? :)
[22:31] <geser> funkyHat: the patch itself looks good
[22:32] <geser> you can subscribe the ubuntu-main-sponsors team to the bug to get it reviewed and eventually sponsored/uploaded
[22:33] <funkyHat> Ok, done that :), anything else I should do?
[22:34] <geser> wait :)
[22:40]  * jdong looks with a bit of worried paranoia at appbundles.org...
[23:01] <TheMuso> ScottK: Ok will have a look later today.
[23:22] <quentusrex> Anyone know if it is possible to have the same package build for multiple releases of ubuntu?
[23:23] <Laney> yes this is very normal
[23:23] <quentusrex> I'd rather not have to maintain 3 different packages, one for 8.04, 8.10, and 9.04
[23:23] <quentusrex> and the upcoming 9.10...
[23:23] <quentusrex> what's the best way to do this?
[23:31] <Laney> quentusrex: PPA?
[23:46] <quentusrex> Laney: is there a way to do that in the PPA? I haven't been able to find anything describing that...
[23:46] <quentusrex> only ways to specify a single release for the package...
[23:47] <Laney> quentusrex: I think you're supposed to upload to the oldest release you support and then copy the source
[23:49] <quentusrex> hmm...
[23:49] <quentusrex> what do you mean by copy the source?
[23:49] <quentusrex> make an exact copy, and only change the changelog to state the newer release?
[23:50] <nicklas_> yo
[23:53] <Laney> no, it's an option in the PPA interface
[23:53] <Laney> to copy packages to another release
[23:54] <funkyHat> Where can I find nice easy bugs to fix, for someone that has just started these things? :)
[23:55] <funkyHat> I am looking at Harvest new incoming, but most are not ones I can do anything with, and the harvest sourcepackage list is big and scary looking


[12:58] <janolap1> Hi there, I'm using (with great amusement) Ubuntu Studio 12.04 ! Great job !
[12:59] <janolap1> I would like to know how to edit the xfce menu, because Yoshimi should be sarted with the -a parameter to have access to midi keyboards, and I would like to change the menu to do this.
[12:59] <janolap1> Can you help me ?
[13:10] <len-dt> janolap1, That is not a menu function.
[13:11] <len-dt> Just missed...
[16:34] <average_guy> Need help setting up a fresh ubuntustudio 12.04 install w/Sound Blaster Audigy SE.  Is it possible to get it to work with JACK?
[16:34] <holstein> average_guy: should "just work"
[16:34] <average_guy> I agree
[16:34] <average_guy> :(
[16:34] <holstein> if you are not familiar with JACK, that will be the only issue
[16:34] <holstein> you can open a terminal and run
[16:34] <average_guy> yeah, not at all
[16:34] <holstein> aplay -l
[16:35] <holstein> if you see the card in that list, then JACK can use it
[16:35] <average_guy> ok
[16:35] <holstein> other than that, i say, ask yourself, do you need JACK?
[16:35] <holstein> its typically overkill for most cases
[16:35] <holstein> running JACK as root is an easy way to troubleshoot permissions errors
[16:36] <holstein> i suggest running from a terminal...
[16:36] <holstein> gksudo qjackctl
[16:36] <holstein> i suggest either removing or disabling other soundcards
[16:36] <holstein> i suggest not expecting much from that device
[16:37] <holstein> i personally would not spend too much time trying to make that card work, since at best, it'll be sub-par
[16:37] <holstein> its not designed for getting audio into the computer, which is arguably one of the best excuses for using JACK
[16:38] <holstein> if you are interested in JACK for its routing capabilities, i suggest trying the package "pavucontrol"
[16:39] <average_guy> I just want to be able to check out ardour.  I do record with cubase a lot, I just don't have an interface at the moment.
[16:39] <average_guy> it won't load :(
[16:39] <holstein> average_guy: you should be able to do that from the live CD
[16:39] <holstein> average_guy: it?
[16:39] <holstein> JACK?
[16:39] <holstein> the audio device?
[16:39] <holstein> which device?
[16:39] <holstein> what to you mean by "load"?
[16:39] <holstein> nothing really "loads"
[16:40] <holstein> !imagebin
[16:40] <holstein> you should be able to start JCK with the live CD using the internal sound card
[16:40] <holstein> i would not sweat setting up that SB
[16:40] <holstein> just go with whatever is working by default
[16:41] <holstein> whatever is easy
[16:41] <average_guy> it does work Live I believe.  But why not once installed?
[16:41] <holstein> average_guy: are you running as root temporarily?
[16:41] <average_guy> no
[16:41] <holstein> its likely permissions as a mentioned earlier
[16:42] <average_guy> hmm
[16:42] <holstein> i would *literally* open a terminal and type
[16:42] <holstein> gksudo qjackctl
[16:42] <holstein> if JACK starts then, we can troubleshoot from there
[16:42] <holstein> the live user has permissions
[16:42] <holstein> your user may not
[16:43] <holstein> if you just want to "see ardour" do it from the live CD
[16:43] <holstein> go with what is easy and working
[16:43] <holstein> the workflow can be overwhelming, and right now, you dont need it
[16:48] <average_guy> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/26/screenshot0504201212440.png/
[16:48] <average_guy> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/513/screenshot0504201212431.png/
[16:49] <holstein> average_guy: yeah.. you dont start ardour
[16:49] <holstein> you close *everything*
[16:49] <holstein> then, you open JACK... try and start it
[16:49] <holstein> if that fails, then you open a terminal and run..
[16:49] <average_guy> sounds like good advice, will use LiveCD
[16:49] <holstein> gksudo qjackctl
[16:50] <holstein> if it starts (it being JACK, not ardour) then you know you have a permissions issue we can troubleshoot
[16:50] <holstein> THEN, when JACK is starting and stopping at your command, *then* you can use ardour
[16:50] <holstein> otherwise, we are troubleshooting several things at once, and have no way of isolaling
[16:50] <average_guy> yeah, I did tha gksudo.  The pic in link #2 was the result
[16:50] <holstein> isolating*
[16:51] <holstein> OK.. so you troubleshoot as root
[16:51] <holstein> you either have JACK running somewhere else, or you are not choosing the device properly
[16:52] <holstein> when it starts as root, you know you have the config correct, and you can move on to starting as normal user
[16:52] <average_guy> choosing the device?
[16:52] <holstein> average_guy: correct
[16:53] <holstein> average_guy: as i asked before... if you have multilple devices (and now i see you do) you should either disable or remove the other ones, or you'll need to learn how to choose it from JACK
[16:53] <holstein> average_guy: personally, i would just use the one that works, because the SB is not much better than an internal card
[16:54] <average_guy> there is no internal
[16:54] <average_guy> i am on a server
[16:54] <average_guy> with a pci sound card
[16:54] <average_guy> and a pci video card
[16:54] <average_guy> and it sees both
[16:54] <holstein> average_guy: theres a list there in aplay -l
[16:54] <average_guy> i think
[16:54] <holstein> those are the audio devices
[16:55] <holstein> average_guy: you cant "think".. you need to know in order to tell JACK
[16:55] <holstein> or again, just use the live CD... if that "just worked"
[16:58] <average_guy> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/715/screenshot0504201212570.png/
[16:58] <average_guy> should I be disabeling?
[16:59] <average_guy> what?  how?
[16:59] <holstein> when im using JACK, i like to have one audio device
[16:59] <average_guy> Will the LiveCD really perform? I was scared to try it
[16:59] <holstein> i do that in the bios if possible, or by physically removing hardwrae
[16:59] <holstein> average_guy: it literally wont hurt to try the live CD.. if it doesn "perform", reboot and try something elst
[17:00] <holstein> else*
[17:01] <average_guy> well, this is the something else, really.. can you see the terminal in the screenshot?  Does that say more then one audio device?  I have no idea what I am looking at
[17:02] <holstein> average_guy: yes
[17:02] <holstein> theres even one for your graphics card, AFAICT
[17:02] <average_guy> so my video card does audio
[17:02] <holstein> average_guy: which is all fine, and useable
[17:02] <holstein> you just have to learn how to tell JACK to use whatever device you want it to use
[17:03] <holstein> which is in a drop down menu in "setup"
[17:03] <holstein> again, it literally doesnt hurt to try them all
[17:03] <average_guy> so if i take out the video, and got to onboard crappy server graphics, the sound will work?
[17:03] <holstein> i cant really help you without seeing first hand, and i usually just go ahead and try them all as root
[17:03] <holstein> average_guy: sound will "work" now
[17:03] <holstein> average_guy: it will be easier for you to get JACK started with one device
[17:04] <average_guy> this graphics card sux anyway
[17:04] <average_guy> I not a gamer
[17:04] <average_guy> but then JACK will do ok with the SB card
[17:05] <average_guy> ?
[17:05] <holstein> average_guy: i personally dont have a need for that device
[17:05] <holstein> will it work? sure.. is it worth any hassle? no
[17:05] <holstein> is it much better than an internal device? no
[17:07] <average_guy> you keep saying "internal". I have no internal sound. There is no speaker output other then the one on the SB card
[17:07] <average_guy> and I don't see it on the aplay list
[17:07] <holstein> average_guy: OK
[17:08] <holstein> average_guy: whatever little crap card you might find for $2 that would "just work" easily
[17:08] <holstein> average_guy: or might have laying around
[17:08] <average_guy> that is what this is
[17:08] <holstein> if you have trouble with the SB, take it out and try another one
[17:08] <average_guy> i have dozens
[17:08] <holstein> sure
[17:08] <holstein> i say, try a hardware scenario that is easy and "just works"
[17:08] <holstein> none of those cards are going to be great
[17:08] <average_guy> yeah..
[17:08] <holstein> it might as well be easy
[17:08] <average_guy> I know
[17:08] <average_guy> ok
[17:09] <average_guy> thank holstein
[17:09] <average_guy> *thx
[19:28] <janolap1> hi there, i'm in ubuntu studio 12.04. I have a midi keyboard and i want to record the midi notes I'm playing. I tried to do it under qtractor without success. Is there a simple program to do this ?
[19:34] <len-dt> janolap1, I didn't think qtractor was that hard. Can you get your keyboard to make sound on one of the internal synths?
[19:35] <janolap1> Ooops, I think I made a beginner mistake : I didn't connect my midi synth to qtractor using jack...
[19:36] <len-dt> janolap1, That was where I was going.
[19:37] <janolap1> thanx...
[19:37] <janolap1> sorry...
[19:37] <len-dt> No problem, I am glad it works for you.
[20:40] <studio-user831> neato.


[02:03] <guiverc> i've still not see kinetic EOL ML post; did i miss it?  or still to come?
[02:03] <guiverc> sorry ^  i'm in wrong room
[07:47] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[07:53] <nteodosio> Hey good morning seb128, how are you?
[08:27] <seb128> nteodosio, hey, I'm alright! How are you?
[08:27] <nteodosio> I'm good, thanks!
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[21:19] <jpds> Do any of the admins happen to be online?
[21:20] <jpds> eshu.ubuntu-eu.org isn't responding on port 53, and ubuntu-br.org has gone offline for some reason; and the Noris DNS servers do not know its IP address any more.