[00:17] <nalioth> LjL: just issued a +e in #ubuntu
[00:17] <nalioth> please be watchful
[00:17] <LjL> nalioth, sorry, let me give a demonstration
[00:18] <LjL> actually, if i give the demonstration the bots will have to forget about the one i just let in
[00:18] <nalioth> it's ok
[00:18] <LjL> nalioth, perhaps if i had the bots do that instead of just setting a +e myself, it's because there is no need to be watchful that way
[00:21] <Seeker`> !modes
[00:21] <ubotu> There are many different channel and user modes on !freenode. Here's a list: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
[00:29] <LjL> i'll explain how this works, as i guess seeing a +e is a bit offsetting
[00:29] <LjL> the bots are in #ubuntu-proxy-users (well, no, they aren't right now, because first Mibbit needs to fix a little problem - but pretend they are)
[00:30] <LjL> when someone joins from an "identifying" web gateway, that is one which provides a way to know the user's *real* host (currently, that's Mibbit)
[00:30] <LjL> a +e is set on that session only (so they can't join like a dozen clones - only that session)
[00:30] <LjL> and they are informed that they have been granted an exempt to join #ubuntu
[00:31] <LjL> when they part, or are kicked, or are banned/muted, the exempt is removed
[00:31] <LjL> before setting the +e, in any case, their real host is checked against the bans list: if it's banned, the +e is not granted
[00:42] <Seeker`> makes sense
[02:13] <Pici> fun
[02:14]  * mneptok doesw the splits
[02:35] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, recon said: !netsplits is <alias> netsplit
[02:52] <mneptok> 24 hur instaban for trying !twss in -offtopic. good idea?
[02:52] <mneptok> *hour
[02:53] <Pici> How about aliasing twss to a reason why it should be used.
[02:54] <mneptok> if that trigger returns *anything* i think we're asking for trouble
[04:06] <ubotu> prince_jammys called the ops in #ubuntu (Strawberryjam)
[04:08] <nickrud> mneptok: don't you ever sleep?
[04:08] <Hobbsee> no
[04:09] <mneptok> nickrud: i figure ill catch up on sleep when i die
[04:10] <nickrud> huh. I just had imagemagik open a picture in firefox. Weird
[05:19] <Cpudan80> Hey guys
[05:19] <Cpudan80> see HILLARY_CLINTON in #ubuntu
[06:12] <Myrtti> what the heck
[07:34] <tonyyarusso> geez, lots of splits today
[07:40] <jussi01> where did it go???
[07:46] <Hobbsee> lost
[07:46] <Hobbsee> still lots of netsplits, even though teh connections in are fine
[07:46] <Hobbsee> the test bot keeps dropping in and out too
[07:59] <Hobbsee> flooodbots are acting up again
[07:59] <Hobbsee> LjL: ping
[08:01]  * Hobbsee deops them
[09:02] <Jucato> ubotwo`: join #kubuntu
[09:08] <jussi01> Jucato: Ill bring my bot in. please kick when ubotu gets back
[09:08] <Jucato> thanks
[09:09] <Jucato> I used to have ubotwo powers :(
[09:09] <jussi01> have you identified to the bot?
[09:13] <Jucato> it doesn't reply at all
[09:14] <Jucato> jussi01: which one is your bot?
[09:14] <jussi01> ubot5
[09:14] <jussi01> in #k now
[09:14] <Jucato> is there an ubotu4? :D
[09:14] <Jucato> ubot4 I mean :)
[09:14] <jussi01> I dont know, but whatever
[09:17] <jussi01> !test
[09:18] <jussi01> muted in here?
[09:18] <Jucato> looks that way...
[09:20] <Amaranth> You guys seen anymore bots?
[09:20] <jussi01> Jucato: do you have super cow powers in #ubuntu?
[09:20] <jussi01> Amaranth: no,
[09:20] <jussi01> Amaranth: are you op in #ubuntu?
[09:21] <Jucato> jussi01: nope
[09:21] <Amaranth> jussi01: Yep
[09:21] <jussi01> Amaranth: ok, I will add ubot5 to #ubuntu if you like, if you could then kick it when ubotu comes back?
[09:22] <Amaranth> eep, ubotu left
[09:22] <Amaranth> alright, i guess that works
[09:32] <Amaranth> hey, wtf
[09:32] <Amaranth> ubotu is still alive and in other channels
[09:32] <jussi01> umm really?
[09:32] <jussi01> where?
[09:32] <Jucato> #kubuntu-devel for one O.o
[09:33] <jussi01> not alive to me...
[09:34] <jussi01> doesnt respond to pms
[09:35] <jussi01> Jucato: wth is going on there??
[09:36] <Jucato> no idea :(
[09:37] <jussi01> anyway, i need to be going soon. if ubot5 does anything weird, please kick/ name ban if necessary. Ill be gone for a good few hours.
[09:38] <Jucato> sure
[09:38] <Jucato> and thanks
[09:39] <jussi01> no probs
[09:40] <jussi01> (just dont ip ban, as thats me as well)
[09:40]  * Jucato snaps fingres
[09:40] <Jucato> fingers even
[09:42] <jussi01> oh, and dont tell anyone about @why :P
[09:43]  * jussi01 -> gone
[09:49] <jussi01> Jucato: back for a sec, you now have control of the bot, if need be. so any rogue factoids etc. its not identified to services, so no pm replies.
[09:50] <Jucato> hm.. ok :)
[09:51]  * jussi01 -> really gone now
[09:59] <Seeker`> @way?
[09:59] <Seeker`> *@why?
[10:00] <stdin> jussi01: you still here?
[10:13] <Mez> LjL, ping
[10:13] <Mez> and Pici, I guess too
[10:15] <jussi01> stdin: back for a few mins, whats up?
[10:16] <stdin> jussi01: you should probably put the bot in here, so we can see when ops is called, and in -monitor too
[10:17] <stdin> can it do what ubotu does, show the message after the | ?
[10:18] <jussi01> ubot5: join #ubuntu-ops-monitor
[10:18] <stdin> it's in there now :)
[10:19] <jussi01> yeah, its just rying to find that as a factoid also
[10:21] <jussi01> !test | stdin, like this?
[10:21] <stdin> jussi01: no, like when someone calls ops | some reason
[10:22] <jussi01> stdin: Im not sure. Ive never tried calling ops with it.
[10:22] <jussi01> well that worked.
[10:22] <jussi01> stdin: no.
[10:23] <stdin> well, at least there's a notice in here now
[10:23] <jussi01> yep
[10:24] <Mez> jussi01, replacement? why cant Seveas's code just be dropped over ?
[10:24] <Mez> wait, where is ubotu ?
[10:24] <jussi01> Mez: ubotu is missing. hence ubot5
[10:24] <jussi01> replacement = fill in
[10:24] <Mez> * [ubotu] (n=ubotu@ubuntu-nl.org): Ubotu
[10:24] <Mez> * [ubotu] #ubuntuforums #ubuntu-devel #ubuntu-motu #kubuntu-devel #edubuntu #ubuntu-classroom #xubuntu
[10:25] <stdin> it's not joining most channels for some reason
[10:26] <jussi01> hehe, I think i just figured it out. ubotu doesnt seem to be identified, so its not respondng to pm?
[10:26] <stdin> also ubotwo` isn't responding, and no one here has access to ubot3
[10:26] <stdin> it responds to me :)
[10:26] <jussi01> do you have pm from unregged users on?
[10:27] <stdin> of course
[10:27] <Mez> yes, as do I
[10:27] <Mez> er, I think it might have been an issue with the netsplit last night
[10:27] <stdin> it's generally a Good Thing(tm) for an op
[10:27] <Mez> I think also, if a staff member kills it, it should come back, identify and rejoin
[10:27] <jussi01> hence it responds to you. can we make it identify somehow?
[10:28] <jussi01> anyone remember the irssi command to turn it on?
[10:28] <Mez> jussi01, /msg nickserv set filtered off
[10:28] <stdin> *unfiltered on
[10:28] <Mez> oh lol
[10:28] <Mez> hehe
[10:28] <jussi01> done :)
[10:29] <Mez> LjL and Seveas are the only people who can make it identify
[10:30] <jussi01> someone call Seveas... :P
[10:30]  * Mez sends him a text message
[10:32] <Mez> Right, he's got an SMS waiting for him
[10:32] <Mez> ah, fone not on
[10:32] <jussi01> heh
[10:35] <Mez> weird, my sisters cute colleague added me on Myspace
[10:36] <jussi01> meh... myspace... :P
[10:37] <jussi01> Mez: are you into that social networking stuff? if so, could I have an opinion?
[10:38] <Mez> jussi01, "into" it, no - "use it", yes, "create it" yes
[10:39] <jussi01> Mez: aye, got you. can you give me an opinion of what you think about the site the company I work for is developing? (if you want an invite tell me and Ill send you one) www.lifematta.com
[10:42] <Mez> jussi01, Don't know if I'm the person to ask, seeing as I'm actually working on Social Networking code right now, so professionally, I shouldn't really comment
[10:43] <jussi01> Mez: ahh, fair enough. :)
[10:43] <Mez> I will have a brief lookn though
[10:43] <jussi01> Mez: curiosity, can you reveal which social networking site? (ok if not)
[10:44] <Mez> jussi01, it's the social networking stuff for vBulletin
[10:44] <Mez> jussi01, my first thought is "what the hell does this do"
[10:45] <Mez> It doesnt seem to be made clearly on the front page, or on the about page
[10:45] <jussi01> hehe
[10:45] <jussi01> ok, good point
[10:47] <Mez> Forum needs more styling, looks like it's broken,
[10:47] <jussi01> yeah. I agree with that
[10:47] <jussi01> the whole site needs tweaking, its nly about 1 week old
[10:48] <Mez> Navigation back to a users page, and around that users profile isn't exactly intuitive
[10:48] <Mez> and it seems a little like a WAYN clone.
[10:48] <jussi01> Mez: btw, I thought "LifeMatta is a service for sharing location information and multimedia from the mobile phone with friends." was reasonably clear?
[10:49] <Mez> jussi01, too many buzzwords, sounds like marketing speak instead of "telling the end user what we do" speak
[10:49] <jussi01> aye
[10:50] <Mez> "Tell and show people where you are and what you're doing"
[10:52] <jussi01> Mez: care to join me in #dib5sn? probably better to chat there than here
[11:38] <Amaranth> jussi01: I don't see the point of this website
[11:38] <Amaranth> Then again I don't see the point of twitter either
[11:38] <Amaranth> Reminds me not to work on anymore social networks
[11:38] <Amaranth> err, remind
[11:39] <jussi01> Amaranth: hehe, fair enough. some people love it, some hate it
[11:39]  * Seeker` dislikes web dev
[11:40] <Amaranth> it's a google maps + flickr mashup?
[11:41] <Amaranth> Also, isn't social networking kind of broken if you have more than one site for it? :P
[11:41] <jussi01> Amaranth: sort of, but the real bit is the realtime uploading from the mobile phone - meaning you dont have to do _anything_ just have your mobile with you.
[11:41] <jussi01> huh?
[11:41] <Amaranth> Same argument as launchpad
[11:41] <Amaranth> If we had a million installs of launchpad the whole point of the thing would be gone
[11:42] <jussi01> I dont follow... (kinda tired here)
[11:43] <jussi01> the idea is that it is an add on to current sites etc, not a replacement
[11:43] <jussi01> soon there willbe facebook integration
[13:50] <LjL> uh... was there a "little" split?
[13:50] <stdin> just a wee one
[13:50] <Pici> LjL: When?
[13:51] <LjL> Pici: 7:37
[13:52] <LjL> and before, 4:30
[13:52] <LjL> but the 7:37 one made the bots totally panick
[13:52] <Pici> LjL: What timezone?
[13:52] <LjL> Pici: UTC
[13:53] <Pici> LjL: Ah, yes.  That was when a third of freenode fell off.
[13:53] <LjL> Pici: i see, a little split.
[13:53] <Pici> Or at least, it seemed like that.
[13:57] <Jucato> ubotu is still AWOL except in #kubuntu-devel btw
[13:57] <Pici> And #ubuntuforums #ubuntu-devel #ubuntu-motu
[13:58] <Jucato> whoa? is ubotu +i now? didn't notice that :)
[13:58] <LjL> Jucato: always been for a long time :)
[13:58] <LjL> who's ubot5?
[13:58] <Jucato> jussi01's
[13:59] <Jucato> because ubotwo` isn't working either
[13:59] <Pici> What about ubot3?
[13:59] <LjL> seems working to me
[13:59] <Jucato> I must have been gone that long....
[13:59] <LjL> !test
[13:59] <ubotwo`> Fbiled.
[13:59] <Jucato> a while ago it wasn't
[13:59] <Jucato> I mean when jussi01 put ubot5 in
[14:09] <stdin> well ubotwo` isn't responding to /msg's
[14:09] <LjL> does for me...
[14:10] <LjL> ubotu is also up and running, but not identified
[14:11] <Pici> Nether is ubot5
[14:11] <LjL> Pici: but in ubotu's case i guess that means it can only join a limited number of channels
[14:11] <Pici> LjL: I don't think the two issues are related
[14:12] <LjL> Pici: hm?
[14:12] <LjL> Pici, ubotu is working, it's not even lagged
[14:12] <LjL> it's just that  [Whois] ubotu is a user on channels: #kubuntu-devel #kubuntu-kde4 #ubuntu-classroom #ubuntu-motu
[14:12] <LjL> (of course it's on more than that)
[14:13] <LjL> i think it would help if staff could ghost it :)
[14:15] <Pici> hay there
[14:15] <LjL> Pici: see? it's at maximum channel #
[14:15] <Pici> LjL: ahhh
[14:15] <LjL> i had to make it part another channel to join here
[14:15] <Pici> LjL: I misunderstood.
[14:15] <Pici> LjL: do you have @reconnect power?
[14:16] <LjL> Pici: no
[14:16] <Pici> hm
[14:16] <LjL> Pici: i should be able to ask it to identify to nickserv, but that doesn't seem to be working either
[14:17] <Pici> wakka wakka wakka
[14:18] <LjL> Pici: hah i made it
[14:18] <LjL> Pici: little trick was asking it to change nickname
[14:18] <LjL> still now i don't know what the original channel list was *sigh*
[14:20] <LjL> jussi01: make 5 part and tell me which channels it's on please
[14:24] <Pici> LjL: @config supybot.networks.freenode.channels
[14:24] <Pici> @config supybot.networks.freenode.channels
[14:25] <ubotu> #bzr #edubuntu #falcon #jokosher #kubuntu #kubuntu-devel #kubuntu-kde4 #kubuntu-offtopic #kubuntu-testers #launchpad #launchpad-meeting #ubuntu #ubuntu+1 #ubuntu-accessibility #ubuntu-artwork #ubuntu-au #ubuntu-bots #ubuntu-bugs #ubuntu-ca #ubuntu-chicago #ubuntu-classroom #ubuntu-desktop #ubuntu-devel #ubuntu-doc #ubuntu-gr #ubuntu-il #ubuntu-in #ubuntu-installer #ubuntu-ir #ubuntu-irc #ubuntu-iso #ubuntu-kernel (2 more messages)
[14:25] <Pici> @more
[14:25] <Pici> @more
[14:25] <LjL> pici, thought that command was privileges
[14:25] <ubotu> #ubuntu-lb #ubuntu-locoteams #ubuntu-marketing #ubuntu-meeting #ubuntu-midwest #ubuntu-mobile #ubuntu-motu #ubuntu-motu-torrent #ubuntu-mozillateam #ubuntu-mythtv #ubuntu-mythtv-dev #ubuntu-ni #ubuntu-nl #ubuntu-no #ubuntu-offtopic #ubuntu-ohio #ubuntu-ops #ubuntu-ops-monitor #ubuntu-proxy-users #ubuntu-read-topic #ubuntu-release #ubuntu-release-party #ubuntu-server #ubuntu-testing #ubuntu-uk #ubuntu-unregged (1 more message)
[14:25] <ubotu> #ubuntu-us #ubuntu-us-az #ubuntu-us-co #ubuntu-us-ga #ubuntu-us-mi #ubuntu-us-mn #ubuntu-us-oh #ubuntu-virginia #ubuntu-wine #ubuntu-x #ubuntu-youth #ubuntuforums #ubuntuforums-beginners #ubuntuforums-hardware #ubuntustudio #xubuntu #xubuntu-devel #xubuntu-offtopic
[14:25] <LjL> Pici: still ubotu's list is not complete - it's just the channels i made it join now
[14:25] <LjL> or, not...
[14:25] <Pici> LjL: thats @channels, and yes, this *should* be locked down
[14:25] <LjL> Pici: yeah
[14:41] <LjL> ubotu should be back into all channels it used to be, please tell me if that's not the case
[15:15] <popey> can !envy please be reworded to be less terse and dismissive?
[15:15] <PriceChild> !envy
[15:15] <ubotu> envy is not needed or supported. Use the Resticted Manager to install binary drivers and see « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[15:16] <PriceChild> Wow that's better than it was... what do you suggest?
[15:16] <popey> i dunno, I just don't like the wording
[15:16] <popey> it smacks of "you're too stupid to do this properly"
[15:17] <popey> and after a discussion in #ubuntu-uk it seems that even some semi-intelligent people use it :)
[15:17] <popey> specifically for the ATI driver
[15:17] <Mez> popey, who do you count as semi intelligent and using it
[15:17] <Mez> :P
[15:18] <popey> not you, don't worry :)
[15:18] <PriceChild> The way I read it, I see it saying that envy is pants.
[15:18] <Mez> popey, I know, I'm not using it
[15:18] <popey> indeed
[15:18] <popey> "Envy is a 3rd party tool to assist in the installation of binary video drivers. Some people find it helpful for keeping up with new drivers that aren't yet in the official repositories. Use at your own risk."
[15:19] <popey> how about that?
[15:20] <LjL> it should be clear that we aren't going to support a system where envy is used
[15:20] <popey> would we support a system where someone had installed a binary driver from nvidia.com or ati.com ?
[15:20] <LjL> no
[15:20] <PriceChild> nope
[15:20] <popey> so it shouldn't have any different status than that then
[15:21] <PriceChild> is there an nvidia.com factoid you can reference to show what it shouldn't be any different form?
[15:21] <LjL> popey: it may give a false impression that it's actually doing things the correct was, as opposed to installing manually
[15:21] <popey> "Envy is a 3rd party tool to assist in the installation of binary video drivers. Some people find it helpful for keeping up with new drivers that aren't yet in the official repositories. Use at your own risk. We generally recommend people install binary video drivers from the repository, not from the vendor website or from 3rd party tools"
[15:22] <popey> LjL: what makes you think envy does anything any _less_ _or_ _more_ evil than vendor supplied drivers?
[15:22] <popey> it's better in some ways in that it has a nice uninstaller
[15:22] <Myrtti> yeah, my samsung mfp has a nice uninstaller too
[15:22] <Myrtti> too bad the whole installer is crap and it can't unmake the mistakes it's done itself
[15:22] <LjL> popey, i said it gives an *impression*
[15:23] <LjL> !envy is an unsupported tool to install newer versions of binary video drivers than provided by the official repositories. Use at your own risk, and remember that the latest version is not necessarily the "best". See « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[15:23] <ubotu> But envy already means something else!
[15:23] <LjL> !no envy is an unsupported tool to install newer versions of binary video drivers than provided by the official repositories. Use at your own risk, and remember that the latest version is not necessarily the "best". See « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[15:23] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[15:23] <PriceChild> We suggest packages from the repository. If someone is trusting to install ubuntu, they install those packages.
[15:23] <Mez> !envy
[15:23] <ubotu> envy is an unsupported tool to install newer versions of binary video drivers than provided by the official repositories. Use at your own risk, and remember that the latest version is not necessarily the "best". See « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[15:23] <LjL> popey: it tells me "hey look this will generate a .deb for you, that you can install like anything else", so i start to believe it's safe to use
[15:24] <Daviey> erm, ati driver from ati.com _can_ produce a deb
[15:24] <Daviey> i assumed that is what envy did, just scripting the process together
[15:25] <PriceChild> We suggest packages from the repository. If someone is trusting to install ubuntu, they install those packages.
[15:26] <Daviey> think you said that one
[15:26] <PriceChild> twice
[15:49] <Amaranth> EnvyNG (hardy only) is very sane and safe to use
[15:49] <Amaranth> well, as safe as installing a new driver can be (bugs in the driver)
[15:56] <Pici> Amaranth: Is there a Envy (non NG) for hardy?
[15:57] <Amaranth> no
[16:05] <jpatrick> NOOO^^
[16:06] <LjL> don't despair, it's back already
[16:36] <mrunagi> hi
[16:36] <Seeker`> hi
[16:36] <mrunagi> just wondering if i get my ban lifted today
[16:42] <jussi01> hi all
[16:42] <jussi01> ubot5: part
[16:42] <jpatrick> hi jussi01
[16:42] <jussi01> hi jpatrick
[16:44] <jussi01> was ubot5 removed from #kubuntu and #ubuntu? or did Jucato part it?
[16:44] <Jucato> removed. didn't get to part it :(
[16:44] <Jucato> [22:31] <-- ubot5 has left this channel (requested by LjL).
[16:44] <Jucato> jussi01: ^^^
[16:45] <jussi01> ok. thanks. Ill go make sure it doesnt auto join next time. thanks
[17:09] <nalioth> what happened to the 4th ubot* ?
[17:09] <nalioth> and who does ubot5 belong to?
[17:09] <Pici> ubot5?
[17:09] <jdong> there's ubot2many!
[17:09] <Pici> @lart jdong
[17:09] <Pici> nalioth: er, I mean its jussi01's
[17:12] <LjL> here we go again
[17:13] <Seeker`> whats with all the netsplits today?
[17:13] <Pici> There was a wallop about DDoSes earlier.
[17:14] <Pici> I don't know if this is the same problem though
[17:14] <Seeker`> didn't see it
[17:14] <Seeker`> ah, yes, seen it now
[17:24] <Pici> well, ubotu is in #ubuntu, but with a tail and un-identified
[17:26] <LjL> Pici: it's just happening again, will have to rejoin it to everything, argh
[17:28] <Jack_Sparrow> LjL, I know you are busy, but when you get a chance, explain what is happening.. or is it just some major split
[17:28] <Pici> Jack_Sparrow: major split
[17:28] <Jack_Sparrow> thanks
[17:31] <LjL> Jack_Sparrow: i know as much as everyone else i'm afraid
[17:34] <Jack_Sparrow> ok, thanks
[17:43] <mrunagi> so i was just wondering if today is the big day
[17:44] <LjL> what big day
[17:44] <mrunagi> the big ban lift day
[17:44] <mrunagi> yay!
[17:45] <LjL> forget it... i never said you could ban evade and misbehave again while doing it, during the time you were banned
[17:45] <mrunagi> um.......what?
[17:45] <LjL> you know what
[17:45] <mrunagi> do i?
[17:45] <mrunagi> or did i just ask what for fun
[17:45] <LjL> you know what.
[17:46] <LjL> you were back with two attempts at ban evasion.
[17:46] <mrunagi> i dont believe i was
[17:46] <mrunagi> but you are the all knowing op
[17:46] <mrunagi> i can never disagree
[17:46] <LjL> indeed, it would be no use.
[17:46] <mrunagi> of course not
[17:46] <mrunagi> ops are ALWAYS right
[17:46] <mrunagi> and NEVER listen to reason
[17:46] <mrunagi> if i was to ban evade i would get on my cell phone
[17:46] <LjL> reason is not coming back with a different ident.
[17:47] <mrunagi> you dont know my situation
[17:47] <mrunagi> nor will you listen
[17:47] <LjL> no, the time for listening has long gone.
[17:47] <mrunagi> there was never time for listening
[17:47] <mrunagi> there never is
[17:47] <LjL> bye
[17:47] <mrunagi> if you are wrong you dont want to hear it
[17:47] <mrunagi> becase ops are NEVER wrong
[17:47] <mrunagi> which is bull
[17:47] <mrunagi> you should ban me not my server
[17:47] <LjL> i told you already
[17:47] <Pici> mrunagi: How do you want us to do that?
[17:47] <LjL> comcast doesn't allow you to put on a server
[17:47] <Pici> Magic?
[17:48] <mrunagi> ban my nick  not my server
[17:48] <LjL> so don't come up with lame excuses nobody is going to believe
[17:48] <LjL> i don't think so
[17:48] <mrunagi> of course you dont
[17:48] <mrunagi> you dont listen to reason
[17:48] <mrunagi> you are NEVER wrong
[17:49] <Pici> Crazy today..
[17:50] <LjL> [18:50:02] <mrunagi> i didnt fucknig ban evande you piece of shit jackass
[17:50] <Pici> I don't think he gets it.
[17:50] <LjL> search for "waynrdude" in the tracker
[17:50] <Pici> Although I do think that we should have re-banned as soon as we knew he was evading.
[17:51] <mrunagi> so thats how you run things
[17:51] <mrunagi> your word is THE word
[17:51] <mrunagi> wrong or not
[17:51] <mrunagi> and then kick people when there is wrong doing
[17:52] <Pici> mrunagi: Do you have anything constructive to contribute here?
[17:52] <mrunagi> yea i do
[17:52] <mrunagi> if i am allowed
[17:52] <mrunagi> i dont know what i can and cant do
[17:52] <mrunagi> im wrong no matter what
[17:52] <mrunagi> 1 + 1 = 2........if an op says its 3 then its 3
[17:52] <LjL> mrunagi: do you have anything constructive to contribute here?
[17:52]  * stdin emphasises the word "constructive" there
[17:52] <mrunagi> if you have a problem with me then ban me dont ban my business
[17:52] <mrunagi> i was NOT ban evading
[17:53] <mrunagi> i wasnt IN here in the past 2 days
[17:53] <mrunagi> rephrase
[17:53] <mrunagi> i wasnt ON irc in the past 2 days
[17:53] <mrunagi> i dont care what LjL THINKS
[17:53] <stdin> please, ease up on the enter key and the CAPS
[17:53] <LjL> mrunagi: if your business has a server connecting using comcast, then you're against the terms of services anyway.
[17:53] <LjL> mrunagi: and you're responsible for your internet address, in any case.
[17:53] <mrunagi> why
[17:53] <LjL> your connection is banned.
[17:53] <LjL> there's nothing you can do about it right now.
[17:54] <mrunagi> um.......
[17:54] <LjL> if you have something else, then please state it, else leave.
[17:54] <mrunagi> you said you wouldnt lift my ban because i was ban evading
[17:54] <mrunagi> therefore i have an issue here
[17:54] <mrunagi> because i was not ban evading
[17:54] <LjL> you really cannot claim that.
[17:54] <Pici> mrunagi: Theres a few things going on here.   O_o
[18:24] <Pici> credible: hes on comcast
[18:25] <PriceChild> Seeker`: I assume lots of ban evasion
[18:26] <Seeker`> How does he keep on comin gback without changing his host?
[18:26] <LjL> Seeker`: look carefully at the hostnames
[18:26] <Seeker`> ah, they are changing
[18:26] <Seeker`> some look very similar at a quick glance
[18:27] <LjL> for some reason, comcast is stupid enough to give the same IP a slightly different reverse hostname
[18:29] <Seeker`> :(
[18:30] <nalioth> for the same IP, even
[18:32] <Giuggi_> someone know when Lollo's ban expire?
[18:32] <Pici> Giuggi_: Bans don't expire.
[18:32] <Pici> They need to be lifted manually.
[18:33] <Seveas> <-- ubotu has quit (Client Quit)
[18:33] <Seveas> that was me
[18:33] <Pici> I figured.
[18:33] <Seveas> it's on its way back
[18:33] <Giuggi_> ...sorry, I used maybe a wrong word
[18:33] <Giuggi_> a ban can disappear?
[18:34] <Seveas> Giuggi_, someone can lift a ban
[18:34] <LjL> Seveas: "client quit" kind of gives it out
[18:34] <LjL> Giuggi_, why doesn't your friend come here to ask himself?
[18:34] <Giuggi_> what is the meaning of "lift"?
[18:34] <Seveas> Giuggi_, remove
[18:34] <Pici> Giuggi_: remove.
[18:34] <nixternal> who was the idiot behind my kline?
[18:34] <Giuggi_> ...I don't know ...
[18:34] <Giuggi_> I ask him
[18:34]  * Pici doesn't point at nalioth
[18:35] <Giuggi_> because he's banned, I think
[18:35] <LjL> Giuggi_, not from this channel
[18:35] <Pici> Giuggi_: what issue are you talking about now?
[18:36] <Pici> Giuggi_: er, nevermind, I misread.
[18:36] <nalioth> nixternal: you unfortunately have nasty neighbors
[18:36] <nixternal> we all do, but that still isn't enough reason for me to get klined
[18:36] <nixternal> everybody with a . in this hostmask has nasty neighbors
[18:36] <nixternal> s/this/their
[18:37] <Amaranth> nixternal: finger slipped? :)
[18:37] <LjL> hi LollinopiL
[18:38] <nixternal> hahahaha
[18:38] <Seveas> nixternal, someone klined *!*@*, that was fun
[18:38] <LollinopiL> hi everyone .... please can u delete my ban from ubuntu's channel ?
[18:38] <LjL> LollinopiL, not that easy
[18:38] <nixternal> hehe, they did that the other day on OFTC
[18:38] <nixternal> and they said it was a boog
[18:38] <LjL> LollinopiL: why did you spam that link several times?
[18:38] <LollinopiL> i've only spammed a youtube video
[18:38] <LjL> LollinopiL: "only"? you've done it *twice*, in several channels
[18:39] <LollinopiL> uhm sry ... buy i was excited by compiz's power .. !
[18:39] <nixternal> that was my first kline ever...damnit nalioth you ruined my record for 0 klines in roughly 15 years
[18:39] <LollinopiL> i need ubuntu's help ... i've leaved completely winzoz !
[18:39] <LollinopiL> left*
[18:39] <LjL> LollinopiL: windows*
[18:39] <LollinopiL> yep
[18:39] <PriceChild> LollinopiL: I may be thinking of someone else, but you put this in more than #ubuntu didn't you?
[18:40] <LollinopiL> yes
[18:40] <nalioth> nixternal: i can include you in all future klines, if you wish...  ( you can hold the record for "most klines and still welcome" )
[18:40] <LjL> PriceChild: yes, -ot, something else... two consecutive days
[18:40] <LollinopiL> let's enable only ubuntu one if u want
[18:40] <nixternal> hey, a new record!
[18:40] <LollinopiL> ubuntu channel ...
[18:40] <PriceChild> LjL: as well as other channels like #freenode and #defocus?
[18:40] <Pici> PriceChild: I think so. At least #defocus
[18:40] <LjL> PriceChild, not that i noticed
[18:41] <Amaranth> Everyone gets excited about compiz :)
[18:41] <Amaranth> Except the poor maintainers and the main bug triager
[18:41] <vorian> lol
[18:41] <Amaranth> I may be biased here
[18:41] <LjL> PriceChild: but, yes (#freenode at least)
[18:41] <Amaranth> Just a little bit
[18:41] <LollinopiL> uhm yep ... so do i have some hopes to enter again in ubuntu chan to have some help ?
[18:42] <LollinopiL> cm on it wasn't an offtopic video too loool !
[18:42] <LjL> LollinopiL, it was an offtopic video.
[18:42] <LjL> #ubuntu is a support channel
[18:42] <Amaranth> LollinopiL: All youtube videos are offtopic :)
[18:42] <LjL> #ubuntu-offtopic is for non-support stuff
[18:42] <LjL> and you *knew* about #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:42] <Amaranth> And #ubuntu-offtopic is sick of me talking about compiz already :P
[18:42] <LollinopiL> yes i know it guys, i was joking :)
[18:43] <LjL> LollinopiL: why don't you register to freenode, by the way?
[18:43] <LollinopiL> however ... what's your answer ? can i join ub support channel again ?
[18:43] <LollinopiL> what's freenode ?
[18:43] <LjL> LollinopiL: freenode is the IRC network you are on.
[18:43] <LjL> !freenode
[18:43] <LjL> !register
[18:43] <LjL> LollinopiL: (second, bot is lagging)
[18:43] <ubotu> freenode is the IRC network that you're on! See http://freenode.net/faq.shtml
[18:43] <ubotu> By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about registering your nickname: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration - Type « /nick <nickname> » to select your nickname.
[18:43] <LollinopiL> uhm i didn't know i had to reg
[18:44] <LjL> LollinopiL: you don't *have* to, but that will give you a unique identity on the network, and it will allow you to send private messages to other people
[18:44] <LollinopiL> okz i'll do it
[18:44] <LjL> LollinopiL: i would like you to read our guidelines, too
[18:44] <LjL> !etiquette > LollinopiL    (LollinopiL, see the private message from Ubotu)
[18:44] <LjL> LollinopiL: please come back when you have read everything in there, and tell us if you have any questions
[18:45] <LollinopiL> i've a question now before the reading
[18:45] <LollinopiL> are you
[18:45] <LollinopiL> a member of the Community Council ? uhuhuhuhuh
[18:45] <LjL> no, i am not
[18:45] <LollinopiL> ( i'm reading an ubuntu's book )
[18:45] <LollinopiL> oh okz
[18:46] <LollinopiL> but you're an ubuntero
[18:46] <LollinopiL> ok i go to read
[18:48] <Amaranth> LjL: Aren't you on the IRC Council?
[18:48] <Amaranth> Wow I really need to keep up with these things
[18:48] <LjL> Amaranth: he asked about the community council
[18:48] <LollinopiL> yeah
[18:48] <LollinopiL> only the best in the CC
[18:49] <Amaranth> LjL: Right, but the CC is not directly involved or responsible for IRC :)
[18:49] <Pici> Amaranth: I think he was just curious.
[18:49] <LollinopiL> but it meets in IRC
[18:49] <LollinopiL> yes
[18:52] <LollinopiL> where can i register my nick ?
[18:52] <Pici> !register | LollinopiL
[18:52] <ubotu> LollinopiL: By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about registering your nickname: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration - Type « /nick <nickname> » to select your nickname.
[18:52] <LollinopiL> don't findi it in bot's messages
[18:53] <Pici> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[18:53] <LjL> i gave it before...
[18:53] <LollinopiL> oh okz
[18:53] <LollinopiL> i go to dinner, then i'll do it
[18:53] <LollinopiL> 10 min and i come back ;)
[18:55] <LjL> ok, see you
[19:00] <LoLLo> ok
[19:01] <LoLLo> uhm i think i've registered my nick
[19:02] <LjL> LoLLo: you're still not identified. you need to /msg chanserv identify <password> (do it in your status window), or even better, put your password as the server password in your IRC client
[19:03] <LoLLo> uhuh LoLLo is already registered
[19:03] <LoLLo> hmmmmmm
[19:03] <LollinopiL> ok
[19:03] <LjL> LollinopiL: you can ask for LoLLo to be dropped, it's old
[19:03] <nalioth> LollinopiL: if you want lollo, /nick to it
[19:04] <LollinopiL> now i do /nick ?
[19:04] <LoLLo> well
[19:04] <LoLLo> nono i keep the other
[19:04] <LollinopiL> okok
[19:04] <nalioth> LollinopiL: see PM
[19:05] <LjL> LoLLo: as you prefer. you should have two, anyway, one primary and one secondary
[19:05] <LjL> at least, it's better to have two
[19:05] <LollinopiL> uhm okz
[19:06] <LoLLo> ok i've registerd 2 nick
[19:06] <LoLLo> now ?
[19:06] <LjL> LoLLo: now you should link them. which one do you want as primary?
[19:07] <LoLLo> i must write here nick and password ? i keep LoLLo as primary
[19:07] <LjL> LoLLo: then « /msg nickserv link LoLLo <password> » (NO, not here)
[19:07] <LjL> err, i meant to say
[19:08] <LjL> forget that
[19:08] <LjL> LoLLo: 1) /nick LollinopiL
[19:08] <LoLLo> Oo
[19:08] <LjL> LoLLo: 2) /msg nickserv link LoLLo <password>
[19:09] <LjL> LollinopiL: this will help you in case you lose your connection
[19:09] <LjL> !ghost
[19:09] <ubotu> On IRC, if you own a nick that is currently being used, you can make it quit by typing: /msg nickserv GHOST <username> <password>
[19:10] <LollinopiL> done ?
[19:10] <LjL> LollinopiL: i have no idea. you can /nick lollo again if you're done.
[19:11] <LjL> no, it's not done, the two nicknames are still not linked as far as i can see
[19:11] <LoLLo> okok
[19:11] <LoLLo> everything's ok
[19:11] <LjL> LoLLo: well, have you read the ubuntu irc guidelines yet?
[19:12] <LoLLo> well can i join support channel now ?
[19:12] <LoLLo> uhm no, but now i'm reading the book on my bed
[19:12] <LoLLo> i've read the behaviour rules like nickspam etc etc
[19:12] <LjL> LoLLo, if i let you back in the channel, you will *have* to follow everything in !etiquette, or otherwise you will be banned again
[19:13] <LoLLo> no problem, thx for averything
[19:13] <LoLLo> ever*
[19:13] <LjL> LoLLo: so make sure you read them and don't spam again
[19:13] <LoLLo> sure
[19:13] <LoLLo> thx and sorry !
[19:14] <LoLLo> everytime i log in i must typ
[19:14] <LoLLo> type
[19:15] <LoLLo> msg etc etc ?
[19:15] <LjL> LoLLo: no, you can set it as the server password
[19:15] <LjL> !identify
[19:15] <ubotu> You can identify automatically by using your NickServ password as the server password in your IRC client. When identifying manually, do NOT send the command from a channel's tab, or a typo may give away your password. If that happened, type « /msg NickServ set password <new-password> » in the server tab as soon as possible.
[19:15] <ubotu> In #kubuntu, frank_ said: ubotu, kde4 is KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[19:15] <LjL> LoLLo: how that's done exactly depends on your IRC client
[19:16] <LjL> !kde4
[19:16] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.1 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.1.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.1.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[19:16] <LjL> !kde4 is <reply> KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[19:16] <ubotu> But kde4 already means something else!
[19:16] <Pici> KDE 4.0.X is the latest....
[19:16] <LjL> !no kde4 is <reply> KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[19:16] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[19:16] <LjL> Pici: better to have the version number, the less confusion the better
[19:16] <LjL> i updated the channel topic but forgot the factoid
[19:16] <Pici> LjL: Right, these are KDE users
[19:17]  * Pici hides
[19:33] <Amaranth> 'To whoever made it so you can't /nick when you're in a channel you can't send to: please die in a chemical fire.'
[19:33] <PriceChild> Gonna give flaccid_ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/DisputeResolution. He's just trolling me in pm.
[19:33] <PriceChild> Amaranth: /nick Hello-im-talking-in-a-moderated-channel
[19:34] <PriceChild> Amaranth: /nick you-all-smell
[19:34] <PriceChild> Amaranth: /nick understand-it-now?
[19:34] <Amaranth> PriceChild: /nick ajax-said-it
[19:35] <I-have-no-mouth-> argh :)
[19:36] <Pici> but-i-must-scream?
[19:36] <TheSheep> but-I-must-nick
[19:36] <TheSheep> :)
[19:36] <Pici> ah, :)
[19:36] <TheSheep> executed it by mistake
 you could just /join, /part, change your nick, and repeat.
 all you've done is made nick-spamming _more_ annoying
[19:38] <flaccid_> PriceChild is breaching guidelines and has banned me for claims of breaching guidelines due to lag with ubotu.
[19:38] <flaccid_> this is with #ubuntu
[19:38] <Amaranth> @btlogin
[19:38] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[19:38] <Seeker`> flaccid_: how did he breach guidelines?
[19:38] <Pici> flaccid_: or what does he claim you did?
[19:39] <PriceChild> flaccid_: that is incorrect. I muted you temporarily, then decided not to unmute, and banned after discussion with you in pm.
[19:39] <flaccid_> be considerable, be respectful, be collaborative
[19:40] <flaccid_> i pointed a user to ubotu factoid, ubotu lagged. so i said search the wiki to get the result
[19:40] <flaccid_> PriceChild went a bit crazy from then on
 Hello. How do I setup a crontab to start a media filetype at 6 pm tonight?
[19:41] <Amaranth> gah, lost my place
 learn cron
[19:41] <flaccid_> yeah i know crontab already Amaranth
[19:41] <flaccid_> but thanks anyway
[19:41] <Amaranth> This is a paste from #ubuntu
[19:41] <Amaranth> Don't try to be funny
[19:42] <flaccid_> errr
[19:42] <flaccid_> [Thu Mar 6 2008] [04:38:41] <flaccid_>	!crontab
[19:42] <Pici> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58518/
[19:42] <flaccid_> [Thu Mar 6 2008] [04:39:28] <ubotu>	cron is a way to schedule execution of software/scripts. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto  -  There is also a decent Howto at http://www.tech-geeks.org/contrib/mdrone/cron&crontab-howto.htm
[19:43] <flaccid_> nearly 1 min lag there
[19:43] <Pici> flaccid_: so?
[19:43] <flaccid_> i got banned for it
[19:43] <Pici> flaccid_: no.
[19:43] <Pici> "14:43:24 <?flaccid_> i got banned for it
[19:43] <Pici> er
[19:43] <Pici> "google is quite helpful
[19:44] <Pici> 12:43:13 <?flaccid_> i also advised to search the wiki which is a primary knowledge base
[19:44] <Pici> 12:43:23 <?flaccid_> what else should i do, spoonfeed?
[19:44] <Pici> 12:43:34 <?flaccid_> i am also a volunteer
[19:44] <Pici> 12:45:18 <?flaccid_> i thought ubotu was lagging
[19:44] <Pici> 12:45:52 <?flaccid_> smells like double standards :p
[19:44] <flaccid_> exactly
[19:44] <Pici> I see we disagree here.
[19:44] <Amaranth> If you don't want to help don't help
[19:45] <Amaranth> Telling people to go search the wiki or google something does not help
[19:45] <flaccid_> how does it not help?
[19:45] <flaccid_> i used ubotu first, then it lagged so  i asked them to search
[19:45] <flaccid_> thats not outside guidelines, thats within guidelines
[19:45] <Pici> flaccid_: They're in IRC not because they want to be told to look through google or the wiki.
[19:45] <Seeker`> flaccid_: Most poeple know they can find stuff on google or the wiki - they come to IRC because they want human help
[19:46] <flaccid_> i understand that
[19:46] <flaccid_> not exactly, i've been helping for over 3 years and not many people search
[19:46] <Pici> flaccid_: The only times that is a valid response is after all other support methods are exhausted.
[19:46] <flaccid_> what are the support methods please Pici
[19:46] <Pici> flaccid_: Actually walking someone through troubleshooting.
[19:47] <Pici> Or if its something that we have a wiki that walks them through, you can provide them with a link.
[19:48] <PriceChild> I think its best that this doesn't drag on and a decision of whether I wheteher what he did was against the guidelines or not.
[19:49] <PriceChild> I think it would be good to then sort out any other problems quickly, such as his acccusations against me personally.
[19:49] <Pici> PriceChild: Although one party isn't supposed to be the mediator.... thanks :)
[19:49] <flaccid_> i don't see this in the guidelines
[19:50] <flaccid_> please point me to a URI on "walking someone through troubleshooting"
[19:50] <flaccid_> in the guidelines please
[19:50] <Pici> How about. Listen to the bot:
[19:50] <Pici> !jfgi
[19:50] <Pici> oh.. it just died, didn't it?
[19:50] <flaccid_> Pici: thats what i did originally. i pointed the user to the correct factoid.
[19:51] <flaccid_> Pici: this is the problem and why PriceChild accused me of insufficient help
[19:51] <flaccid_> because of ubotu lag
[19:51] <Pici> But now that ubotu isn't around, I'm going to provide you with a link to what it would have said, instead of telling you to go find it yourself.
[19:51] <Amaranth> the guidelines basically say "don't be a jerk" and I'd say telling people to go search on google fails that test
[19:52] <flaccid_> but thats not in the guidelines
[19:52] <flaccid_> i can't find the word jerk in there
[19:52] <flaccid_> i gave them the factoid, just like you tried to give me then
[19:52] <Pici> flaccid_: Telling people to RTFM or to "just google it" is not very polite, find them a url or at least give them some directions to documentation they can use.
[19:53] <flaccid_> then on fallback asked them to search the wiki
[19:53] <flaccid_> not google
[19:53] <Pici> flaccid_: Under the "When helping: be helpful" heading
[19:53] <flaccid_> i didn't do that
[19:53] <Pici>  then
[19:53] <Pici> 12:39:06 <?flaccid_> Gibb: google gives all
[19:53] <Amaranth> flaccid_: You're reading the guidelines very strictly
[19:53] <flaccid_> i mean PriceChild gave me !volunteer
[19:54] <Amaranth> flaccid_: Just because you didn't use those exact words doesn't change the intent
[19:54] <flaccid_> my intent was to help a user
[19:54] <flaccid_> so i agree
[19:54] <flaccid_> it is not my fault ubotu is not responding. maybe you should fix that?
[19:55] <Pici> flaccid_: What issues do you have with PriceChild here? What actions has he taken against the guidelines?
[19:55] <flaccid_> i already pointed that out
[19:55] <flaccid_> its more the other way
[19:55] <flaccid_> i tried to help a user and got banned because of ubotu lag
[19:55] <flaccid_> that is not something i should have to take responsibility for
[19:56] <Amaranth> No, you got banned for what you did after ubotu wouldn't give the answer
[19:56] <Pici> flaccid_: But you didn't say "Oh, the bot is lagged, let me find the link", you just told them to look at google
[19:56] <flaccid_> and how would i verify that ubotu was lagged?
[19:56] <Amaranth> It didn't say anything?
[19:56] <flaccid_> say
[19:57] <flaccid_> ?
[19:57] <Amaranth> That's how you tell, it didn't say anything
[19:57] <flaccid_> thats kind of outside the guidelines anyway Amaranth
[19:57] <PriceChild> Amaranth: he was muted temporarily for that.... he was only banned after the pm discussion
[19:57] <flaccid_> right
[19:57] <Amaranth> Could we see that? :)
[19:57] <flaccid_> we are working with something scientific here, not emotions.
[19:57]  * Amaranth hugs ubotu
[19:57] <flaccid_> oh hooray
[19:57] <Amaranth> flaccid_: And the guidelines are not a legal document, they are guidelines
[19:58] <Pici> flaccid_: Do we have to explicitly put 'use common sense' in the guidelines?
[19:58] <PriceChild> Pici: that's in isn't it?
[19:58] <flaccid_> common sense does not equal common practice, you guys have demonstrated that
[19:58] <Pici> PriceChild: Probably, I didnt look too hard.
[19:58] <PriceChild> I will be back in 20 mins
[19:58] <Amaranth> flaccid_: If your interpretation of the guidelines does not match ours that is not our fault.
[19:59] <Amaranth> PriceChild: Hold on a second.
[19:59] <flaccid_> subjectivity and ambiguity will be the problem for you guys forever until you write a proper document.
[19:59] <Amaranth> PriceChild: It'd be useful if we could see a log from the PM
[19:59] <flaccid_> legal or not, it needs to be explicity and not general. i hope you understand that.
[19:59] <Amaranth> flaccid_: No because most people don't have problems because the guidelines are basically "use common sense and don't be a jerk"
[20:00] <flaccid_> Amaranth: you summarised it yourself. you are not everybody.
[20:00] <Amaranth> We only have problems with people that do not do those things and then try to say the guidelines don't say what they did is wrong.
[20:00] <flaccid_> thats your interpretation
[20:00] <flaccid_> its not my fault your guidelines are 'fuzzy'
[20:00] <Pici> flaccid_: We can't put down every single possible iteration of an issue in the 'guidelines'
[20:00] <flaccid_> learn to copy-right
[20:00] <nalioth> flaccid_: explicit documentation would require more paper than any forest could provide.  please don't continue down this path
[20:01] <flaccid_> see a lawyer, do whatever you need to do to fix it
[20:01] <flaccid_> lol
[20:01] <Amaranth> flaccid_: And being in #ubuntu is a privilege, I'm not seeing a problem here.
[20:01] <Amaranth> It is not a right.
[20:01] <flaccid_> isn't that what ubuntu needs?
[20:01] <Pici> flaccid_: Your attitude here is not helping your case very much.
[20:01] <flaccid_> don't you guys wan't clarity and legal position in the market?
[20:01] <nalioth> flaccid_: this is going nowhere.  did you have anything else?
[20:01] <Seveas> what ubuntu needs is people being respectful to each other flaccid_
[20:02] <Seveas> flaccid_, and you're not showing any of that
[20:02] <flaccid_> Seveas: i've done that for over 3 years
[20:02] <flaccid_> look at #kubuntu logs
[20:02] <flaccid_> i'lll rest my case there
[20:02] <Amaranth> flaccid_: You are not doing so now
[20:02] <flaccid_> i've helped thousands of people compared to the operators
[20:02] <flaccid_> that is a fact.
[20:03] <flaccid_> past, present, future. they are all important
[20:03] <flaccid_> ubuntu's future is probably the most important
[20:03] <Pici> I can't even come up with a nice response to that.
[20:03] <Amaranth> Nope, I deleted three responses trying
[20:03] <Seveas> a clear case of bruised ego
[20:04] <Amaranth> The nicest was probably "We are operators because we were being helpful and showed good judgement"
[20:05] <Amaranth> I will admit to not being very active in #ubuntu over the last year or so though, because I've been busy helping in other ways :P
[20:05] <Pici> Mine started off "We don't care if you helped Mark Shuttleworth himself", but I think I was being too adversarial.
[20:06] <Seveas> heh
[20:06] <Amaranth> Hey I've done that :P
[20:06] <Amaranth> He really likes compiz ;)
[20:07] <Pici> :)
[20:08] <LjL> i think he was being borderline in #kubuntu or somewhere hours ago already
[20:09] <stdin> he's often borderline, needs "reminding" of the rules often
[20:10] <Pici> 12:42:13 <?flaccid_> i'm banned from everywhere
[20:10] <Pici> Doesnt give me nice feelings
[20:10] <LjL> yeah, that.
[20:10] <LjL> he was discussing bans with unagi
[20:10] <Pici> sigh.
[20:23] <PriceChild> Back
[20:23] <Pici> You didn't miss much
[20:23] <Seeker`> lo PriceChild
[20:23] <PriceChild> I'm amazed he /part'ed so easily
[20:23] <PriceChild> Was talking with im in pm since them mute.
[20:37] <TheSheep> .oO( and to think that most marketing companies are struggling to *create* passionate users )
[20:42] <Amaranth> TheSheep: If only we could direct such passion
[20:42] <nalioth> TheSheep: how are you voiced and not identified?
[20:43] <TheSheep> nalioth: I accidentally changed my nick and then changed back
[20:44] <TheSheep> here
[21:52] <bod_> hey guys,. i was wondering about getting a factoid !appreciate  i just helped someone for like 30mins, although some of things i suggested were not amazingly helpfull his attitude was rude and unappreciative. I have seen this happen a few times in #ubuntu and although there are factoids that touch on my point, none of them really get my point accross i was thinking of "Excuse me, but all of the people in this channel have given t
[21:52] <bod_> heir free time to help 'you'. 'You came with a problem and volunteers gave their time and effort to help 'you'. 'You' returned their kindness with rudeness. Seeming as this factoid has been al about 'you' perhaps you should sstop being so self centered and say 'Thank you'. "
[21:52] <Seveas> bod_, I think that one's a bit too harsh but the idea is good
[21:53] <stdin> !attitude | there's this
[21:53] <ubotu> there's this: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[21:53] <bod_> stdin, its kinda brief and i dont think makes a big enogh impact
[21:53] <bod_> Seveas, fancy given !appreciate a touch up?
[21:54] <Seveas> bod_, yeah I'm thinking about it
[21:54] <bod_> cheers
[21:55] <Seveas> !appreciare is <reply> The people in this channel are all volunteers who donate their valuable time. Please do not 'reward' this kindness with rudeness. Saying 'Thank you' is more appropriate.
[21:55] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Seveas
[21:55] <Seveas> !forget appreciare
[21:55] <ubotu> I'll forget that, Seveas
[21:55] <Seveas> !appreciate is <reply> The people in this channel are all volunteers who donate their valuable time. Please do not 'reward' this kindness with rudeness. Saying 'Thank you' is more appropriate.
[21:56] <bod_> nice, me like
[21:56] <bod_> although
[21:56] <Seveas> hi Giuggi
[21:56] <LjL> Seveas: actually i kind of hate it when people thank me
[21:56] <Seveas> what can we do for you?
[21:56] <LjL> useless traffic, for starters
[21:56] <PriceChild> Point is that its more appropriate than rudeness.
[21:56] <Seveas> LjL, well, that's your problem then :)
[21:57] <bod_> but better then people bein rude
[21:57] <PriceChild> If someone doesn't get thanked or rude to, then factoid isn't called at all.
[21:57] <Seveas> .!ljl is <reply> Do not thank this one!
[21:57] <bod_> !ljl
[21:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ljl - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:58] <bod_> oh, i see the dot now ;~)
[21:58] <Seveas> :)
[21:59] <bod_> thankyou for your input guys, Seveas PriceChild (not LjL cause he doesnt like it) ;~)
[21:59] <LjL> :P
[21:59] <bod_> stdin aswell,.,.;~)
[21:59] <bod_> cya later guys *waves*
[22:16] <Jack_Sparrow> Keep an eye on laughed ...
[22:17] <ompaul> Giuggi, how can we help you
[22:18] <Jack_Sparrow> I had enough and muted him...(Laughed)
[22:23] <Seeker`> !modes
[22:23] <ubotu> There are many different channel and user modes on !freenode. Here's a list: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
[22:24] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, he was trolling
[22:25] <Jack_Sparrow> Thanks .. I tried PM but he would not listen
[22:25] <ompaul> you should have removed him once he came out with that -
[22:25] <Jack_Sparrow> When should I un do it
[22:26] <ompaul> I would not bother
[22:26] <ompaul> I'd let it expire naturally
[22:26] <Jack_Sparrow> Ok.. I made notes just in case.. thanks again
[22:26] <ompaul> i.e. when the list is being cleaned
[22:31] <ompaul> * Poacher<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left #ubuntu (requested by ompaul: "ban evasion")
[22:31] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, you might be interested
[22:32] <Jack_Sparrow> Good one..
[22:33] <Jack_Sparrow> How did yo spot him..


[07:54] <edistar> hi, can someone help me solve a problem (bug)? Alltough the users are logged off already some processes continue to run and eat all cpu time..
[08:20] <johnny> edistar, perhaps check out gnome-watch dog?
[08:46] <johnny> err gnome-watchdog
[09:02] <edistar> johnny: thx, it's watching right now :)
[09:04] <edistar> how do I set ssh encryption to none? just to test whether that is the bottleneck?
[09:07] <johnny> LDM_DIRECTX in lts.conf
[09:07] <johnny> that's a better test
[09:08] <edistar> what does that do?
[11:29] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc: hey ogra. what do I need to install in the ltsp chroot for thin client manager to work? just the x11vnc package?
[11:29] <ogra_cmpc> yeas
[11:30] <ogra_cmpc> but i'd suggest italc :)
[11:30] <ogra_cmpc> tcm was just dropped from the default install
[11:30] <ogra_cmpc> 10 mins ago :)
[11:31] <highvoltage> hmm, strange. I did install x11vnc, but it still tells me to do so (even after rebuilding the thin client image and rebooting the client)
[11:32] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc: cool, I can give that a try later on, but I need to make tcm work in this instance though
[11:32] <Nuba1> heh really, tcm not part of edubuntu anymore?
[11:32] <ogra_cmpc> its on the CD but not installed by default
[11:36] <Nubae> ah, makes sense if it doesnt work
[11:38] <ogra_cmpc> ??
[11:38] <ogra_cmpc> it always worked
[11:38] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc: my volume control is disabled on the thin client machines, and it seems that there is no sound. the users are in the audio group, but it doesn't make any difference. anything that I should be looking at?
[11:39] <ogra_cmpc> is that gutsy or hardy ?
[11:39] <highvoltage> gutsy.
[11:39] <ogra_cmpc> hmm
[11:39] <ogra_cmpc> than it should work (havent tested hardy since weeks)
[11:40] <Nubae> I meant the x11vnc part
[11:40] <ogra_cmpc> cdheck the .asouncof.asoundrc (or so) file of the user
[11:40] <highvoltage> ok, I'll come here again and investigate, at least school holidays is about to start so there's no rush.
[11:40] <highvoltage> will take a thin client with me and check whether this sound card is properly supported.
[11:40] <ogra_cmpc> Nubae, works fine here ... just requires manual setup since i didnt want evil x11vnc in main
[11:40] <Nubae> yeah school holidays indeed.. I've got 2 more classes
[11:41] <Nubae> for most people, that means it doesn't work ;-) [requiring manual setup]
[11:41] <ogra_cmpc> if i find the time i'll disable vnc in tcm altogether
[11:49] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc: hmm, I think I should take a photo of this lab here, the kids just came in and are going crazy
[11:53] <Nubae> what do the -x and -z flags do in /usr/lib/ltsp/ltsp_config ?
[11:57] <ogra_cmpc> heh
[11:58] <ogra_cmpc> Nubae, man test
[12:00] <Nubae> just writing on the command line u mean?
[12:01] <laga> yes
[12:01] <laga> hitting 'return' afterwards is helpful, too
[12:01] <laga> Nubae: man man, too ;)
[12:03] <Nubae> yeah yeah, easier to get a smart remark sometimes than help
[12:04] <ogra_cmpc> ??
[12:04] <ogra_cmpc> that was help
[12:05] <ogra_cmpc> from both of us
[12:05] <ogra_cmpc> use man test to find out what the options mean
[12:06] <ogra_cmpc> use man man to find out how to use man if you dont know yet
[12:06]  * ogra_cmpc doesnt see smart remarks
[12:12] <laga> do you want us to read the manual to you?
[12:20] <Nubae> there's a manual for ltsp?
[12:21] <ogra_cmpc> the edubuntu handbook
[12:21] <ogra_cmpc> installed by default, look in the help viewer
[12:21] <Nubae> that doesn't help me with scripting
[12:22] <Nubae> I get the point though, thankyou
[12:22]  * laga was talking about manuals in general ;)
[12:22]  * ogra_cmpc doesnt understand
[12:22] <ogra_cmpc> you want a manual how to write scripts ?
[12:23] <ogra_cmpc> laga, btw, all your changes were uploaded last night, sadly i missed the freeze by 20min so it sits in the rewiew queue
[12:26] <laga> ogra_cmpc: that's great news! thanks a lot
[12:27] <ogra_cmpc> thats not great news ...
[12:27] <ogra_cmpc> that means someone will look at it and probably find things he wants changed
[12:27] <ogra_cmpc> if i had been 20min earlier we would have saved that hassle
[12:28] <laga> QA is good ;)
[12:28] <ogra_cmpc> the diff is quite huge, there were 5 bugs and a handfull of upstream changes
[12:28] <ogra_cmpc> and your plugin patch
[12:28] <laga> yes.. that diff is fun to read.
[12:30] <ogra_cmpc> oh, btw, does your client package have a check for /etc/ltsp_chroot ?
[12:30] <ogra_cmpc> so you cant install it by accident on a normal system ?
[12:30] <laga> ogra_cmpc: um.. not sure, but i was going to add something to MCC..
[12:30] <laga> ogra_cmpc: i dont think so, but i'll add it
[12:30] <ogra_cmpc> look at the ltsp-client package
[12:30] <ogra_cmpc> there is code for such a check
[12:30] <ogra_cmpc> in the preinst iirc
[12:31] <laga> postinst wouldn't make a lot of sense ;)
[12:31] <ogra_cmpc> well, preinst isnt great either
[12:32] <ogra_cmpc> it breaks on out internal autobuild tests and needs blacklisting and extra paperwork
[12:32] <laga> *shrug* you know, people are not exactly forced to install it on their normal boxes :)
[12:32] <laga> oh
[12:32] <laga> ok, i can see that..
[12:32] <ogra_cmpc> but thats still better than having users that install ltsp-client on their systems
[12:32] <laga> yup
[12:32] <laga> we have a similar check in your trunk packages for MythTV (using debconf).. but those will _never_ go to main :)
[12:33] <ogra_cmpc> right
[12:44] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc: Did you have time to test italc 1.0.7 before uploading ?
[12:47] <ogra_cmpc> no :)
[12:47] <ogra_cmpc> but we have four weeks for pressing bugs
[12:48] <ogra_cmpc> the client will be installed by default from tomorrows build on
[12:48] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc: what about the "no tcp port opened by default" policy btw ?
[12:49] <ogra_cmpc> we're not ubuntu and that port is secured by ssl or did in misunderstand the design ?
[12:49] <ogra_cmpc> s/in/i
[12:52] <stgraber> oh, I didn't know it was only affecting Ubuntu and not its add-ons :) According to upstream, iTalc with the latest fixes should be secure. Previously it would have been possible to take control of any of the "client" while the teacher was running a demo but that's now fixed.
[12:52] <ogra_cmpc> good
[12:52] <ogra_cmpc> well, if that policy would apply to all derivatives then ltsp by default would never have been possible
[12:54] <stgraber> did you set iTalc as a depends or a recommends of edubuntu-desktop ?
[12:55] <ogra_cmpc> depends for now
[12:55] <ogra_cmpc> but only -client
[12:59] <stgraber> oh, quite a long time I haven't updated my edubuntu box : 460 packages upgraded, 49 newly installed, 10 to remove (= 472MB from archive)
[13:47] <henrik_> Hello! Anybody who can give me a clue about the following error message:
[13:47] <henrik_> ssh: /var/run/ldm_socket_vt7_<IP_ADDRESS>: Name or service not known
[13:47] <henrik_> when running:
[13:47] <henrik_> ssh -X -S /var/run/ldm_socket_vt7_<IP_ADDRESS> server "/usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter /var/run/drives/usbdisk-sdb1 add"
[13:47] <henrik_> ?
[13:47] <henrik_> (from the client..)
[13:50] <henrik_> I'm using edubuntu 7.10, and can't get local devices to mount on server
[13:52] <Nubae> heh, ogra, have to apologize for earlier, didn't realise that when u said 'man test' u meant it literally
[13:53] <Nubae> I thought u were saying 'man, just test it'
[13:53] <laga> hehehe :)
[13:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[13:53] <Nubae> heh, I guess irc can be confusing sometimes
[13:54] <Nubae> there's me getting irritated, and in fact it was truly helpful
[13:54] <Nubae> doh
[13:56] <RichEd> Nubae: now imagine if you were an aesthetically or facial hairily challenged female ... the kind that wear comfortable shoes and play hockey... then you would *really* have been offended !
[13:56] <Nubae> hehe
[13:56]  * Nubae feels silly
[13:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> Nubae, should he have said `man [` instead? :)
[13:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> clear up the confusion :)
[13:58] <Nubae> would have been less ambiguous ;-)
[13:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[13:59] <laga> one would expect a linux user to know the "man" command ;)
[13:59] <Nubae> yeah I do, but not "man test"
[13:59] <Nubae> and to be honest wasn't thinking along the lines of it being a command
[14:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> Nubae, theres also `help test` (for the bash builtin). `man test` and `man [` are the external command 'test'
[14:00] <Nubae> thought he was irritated because it was a stupid question and therefore said man test
[14:00] <Nubae> sigh
[14:00] <laga> man man. :)
[14:00] <Nubae> yeah that I got, but still didn't think about the man test
[14:01] <Nubae> in my defense, I was surrounded by 20 kids at the time
[14:01] <jonathan__> ogra: btw, the problems with the sound card I had was a problem with that specific sound chip, and I had to reload the driver with some options, so it wasn't an ltsp related problem at all.
[14:01] <Nubae> thank god school holidays have just begun
[14:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> the perfect moment to have to experiment ;) (not)
[14:03]  * Nubae will look a bit more closely at what is written next time
[14:04] <Nubae> funny thing is, I got home and thought, I'll just type in man test and see what comes up
[14:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[14:05] <ogra_cmpc__> henrik_, looks like you are not logged in
[14:05] <henrik_> ??
[14:06] <ogra_cmpc__> /var/run/ldm_socket_vt7_<IP_ADDRESS> is created during login by ldm
[14:06] <henrik_> Strange. I am logged in..
[14:07] <henrik_> It's not mounting on other user either.
[14:07] <ogra_cmpc__> did you break anything by adding stuff to lts.conf ?
[14:07] <ogra_cmpc__> any weird settings
[14:08] <henrik_> nope, just:
[14:08] <henrik_> [printer-usb]
[14:08] <henrik_>    MODULE_01          = usblp
[14:08] <henrik_>    PRINTER_0_TYPE     = U
[14:08] <henrik_>    PRINTER_0_DEVICE   = /dev/usb/lp0
[14:08] <henrik_> [printer-lp0]
[14:08] <henrik_> #   MODULE_01         = parportlp
[14:08] <henrik_>    PRINTER_0_TYPE     = P
[14:08] <henrik_>    PRINTER_0_DEVICE   = /dev/lp0
[14:08] <henrik_> [00:c0:4f:71:f6:8e] #ws035
[14:08] <henrik_>    LIKE               = printer-usb
[14:08] <henrik_> [00:c0:4f:71:f6:83] #ws036 -- printerserver
[14:08] <ogra_cmpc__> ugh
[14:08] <henrik_>    LIKE               = printer-usb
[14:08] <henrik_>    PRINTER_1_TYPE     = U
[14:08] <ogra_cmpc__> please use a pastebin !!
[14:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> glah :|
[14:08] <ogra_cmpc__> !paste
[14:08] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[14:08] <henrik_> okay. sorry..
[14:09] <Nubae> using non mac address settings never worked for me
[14:09] <Nubae> also, the file needs [default] at the beginning
[14:09] <Nubae> or wont work
[14:11] <Nubae> ogra_cmpc__: if you didnt see up top, I was apologizing, I misunderstood your instructions for a comment (ie. man go and test it) not do 'man test', sorry...
[14:11] <ogra_cmpc__> well, it wont break local devices though
[14:14] <ogra_cmpc__> heh
[14:14] <ogra_cmpc__> no need to apologize if i didnt express myself properly :)
[14:14]  * Nubae jumped to conclusions, my fault not yours
[14:16] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc__: I'm currently testing italc on i386 and VNC just rocks !!!
[14:16] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc__: the screen auto-resize thing is just amazing, no need to scroll anymore
[14:16] <ogra_cmpc__> yay
[14:17] <ogra_cmpc__> i'll test with my classmates this weekend
[14:17] <ogra_cmpc__> lets see if i can control the classroom :)
[14:17] <Nubae> which version of italc is that, hardy's?
[14:17] <stgraber> yes, 1.0.7
[14:18] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc__: I'll deploy it in a classroom at my father's school and see how well it goes, nothing's better than lambda users for testing :)
[14:22] <henrik_> No more clues on my problem?
[14:22] <henrik_> I'm stuck with this :-(
[14:23] <henrik_> Btw did the patch suggested in bugg 160420
[14:23] <ogra_cmpc__> henrik_, wich release is that ?
[14:23] <henrik_> 7.10
[14:24] <ogra_cmpc__> ok
[14:24] <ogra_cmpc__> which of the two patches did yu use
[14:24] <ogra_cmpc__> the one for delayed_mounter is not needed
[14:24] <henrik_> Ahh.
[14:24] <henrik_> I did both
[14:24] <ogra_cmpc__> all you need to do is delete the DISPLAY line in ltspfsmounter
[14:24] <ogra_cmpc__> nothing else
[14:25] <henrik_> Ok. I commented out that.
[14:25] <ogra_cmpc__> no ned to
[14:25] <ogra_cmpc__> its solved in hardy
[14:25] <ogra_cmpc__> i should probably close the bug :)
[14:25] <henrik_> :-)
[14:26] <henrik_> But hardy i not comming before next mont(?)
[14:26] <stgraber> henrik_: bugs are closed as soon as a fix is published in the devel release
[14:27] <stgraber> henrik_: and only kept open if it's candidate for a SRU (but that's a different kind of bug report)
[14:28] <ogra_cmpc__> well, i was planning to do a sru for gutsy, but currently i dont have the time to fiddle with ltspfs on old releases
[14:28] <henrik_> I understand.
[14:28] <ogra_cmpc__> the fix is trivial enough :)
[14:29] <henrik_> Yes, but I got an error message I didn't find any solution for with google.
[14:29] <henrik_> I find it strange
[14:29] <henrik_> It's a pretty clean install
[14:30] <ogra_cmpc__> RichEd, with zsync my download between the 20080312 and 20080313 image took about 10M
[14:31] <RichEd> ogra_cmpc__: neat ... i can affort that :)
[14:31] <ogra_cmpc__> ok
[14:31] <ogra_cmpc__> first you need to install zsync
[14:32] <ogra_cmpc__> then copy your existing image to be "classmate-daily.img" or so
[14:32] <ogra_cmpc__> then you just need the following command: zsync -o classmate-daily.img http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/classmate/images/hardy/hardy-classmate-20080313.img.zsync
[14:33] <ogra_cmpc__> (in one line)
[14:33] <ogra_cmpc__> and then just wait :)
[14:41] <ogra_cmpc> RichEd, added instructions to tehreadme file in the images dir
[16:17] <ogra_cmpc> LaserJock, !
[16:18] <LaserJock> hi ogra_cmpc
[16:32] <LaserJock> ogra_cmpc: woah!!! somebody just uploaded squeak-vm to Debian NEW!
[16:32] <ogra_cmpc> oooooh
[16:32] <LaserJock> http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/squeak-vm_3.9.12+svn1820.dfsg-1.html
[16:32] <ogra_cmpc> the package you used ?
[16:32] <LaserJock> no, never heard of the person
[16:33] <ogra_cmpc> do you think it'll get through ?
[16:34] <LaserJock> looks like they did quite some work
[16:35] <LaserJock> and it appears to be a DD that's doing it
[16:35] <ogra_cmpc> yes, i noticed
[16:35] <LaserJock> maybe I should grab that package and give it to pitti :-)
[16:35] <ogra_cmpc> Architecture: source amd64
[16:35] <ogra_cmpc> hrm
[16:36] <Nubae> if a program exists in rc2-4 that should be enough for it to have to start up right?
[16:36] <ogra_cmpc> whats that ?
[16:36] <Nubae> by program I mean script
[16:36]  * ogra_cmpc has never seen "source" as target arch
[16:37] <Nubae> doing update-rc.d cupsys defaults tells me it exists there already, but still don't get it to start up unless I do it via a RCFILE_NN= using lts.conf
[16:37] <ogra_cmpc> LaserJock, we should talk to him, yes, but that architecture line is strange ... and that doesnt give us images
[16:38] <LaserJock> ogra_cmpc: I think that's just the upload archs
[16:38] <ogra_cmpc> ah
[16:38] <LaserJock> so he uploaded source and an amd64 .deb
[16:38] <ogra_cmpc> right
[16:38] <LaserJock> and the images are no problem, we use my packages
[16:38] <LaserJock> pitti really only had a problem with the squeak-vm part
[16:39] <ogra_cmpc> yeah, i was looking at the wrong file
[16:39] <ogra_cmpc> Architecture: any
[16:39] <LaserJock> I gotta run but I'll look at it this afternoon
[16:39] <ogra_cmpc> there is the right entry
[16:39] <LaserJock> in the least I'll look at the package and grab what I can
[16:39] <LaserJock> I certainly wish somebody had said something to me :(
[16:39] <LaserJock> I feel like I wasted a lot of time
[16:40] <ogra_cmpc> yeah
[16:40] <LaserJock> I emailed 3 people about the license issue and haven't really gotten anything back
[16:40] <LaserJock> I haven't heard anything from Matej Kosik in a few months
[19:15] <LaserJock> ogra: did pitti say anything about squeak?
[19:16] <ogra> no, he just noticed it
[19:16] <ogra> he was about to leave when i showed it to him
[19:17] <LaserJock> ok
[23:28] <gregbrady> Hi everyone....I'm using Ubuntu and was recommended to ask you guys how to do internet filtering to protect my son.
[23:36] <gregbrady> Ok, I guess not.....off to the next resource.
[23:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> gregbrady, a bit of patence will take you a long way
[23:37] <laga> well, my answer would be "don't let your son surf the internet alone if he's not old enough/if you can't trust him"
[23:37] <laga> but you were probably looking for a software solution
[23:38] <gregbrady> No worries, thanks.
[23:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> i use dansguardian for a software solution, but it can be rather complex to setup
[23:39] <laga> gregbrady: there are probably some websites dedicated to kids.. it's probably possible to set up your browser or a small proxy to only allow those sites. eg have a mnaula whitelist.
[23:39] <laga> err, manual*
[23:45] <gregbrady> Thanks!  I will check both ideas.
[23:46] <laga> there are some dedicated services like netnanny, but i don't know if they'll work with linux
[23:47] <laga> and something always gets through.. and if he's a geek, he'll figure out how to get around that real quick :)
[23:47] <gregbrady> laga, of that I'm sure, but I have to at least make an effort to block the easiest to get to sites.
[23:48] <gregbrady> like xmen
[23:48] <laga> do i want to google that?
[23:48] <gregbrady> no
[23:48] <gregbrady> or monster movie
[23:49] <gregbrady> innocent enough.....on the surface
[23:49] <laga> a 2003 movie?
[23:50] <gregbrady> not the one that I remember
[23:51] <laga> i'd be more concerned about neonazi propaganda or porn
[23:53] <gregbrady> exactly what he found....the monster movie site was not about actual monsters.....
[23:54] <laga> and x-men was not about comics either, huh?
[23:54] <gregbrady> um, no.
[23:54] <gregbrady> Kind of funny, but not really.....
[23:55] <laga> not if it's about your children, i understand
[23:56] <laga> although i've seen stuff on the 'net where i had been glad if i had used netnanny :)
[23:56] <gregbrady> very embarrassing and enraging at the same time


[10:34] <lissyx> how can I get more history of updates than just "snap info snapd" list of changes?
[10:34] <lissyx> "snap changes" does not yield more (it shows even less)


[00:55] <slidinghorn> Out of curiosity, is there anything holding US back from using Cadence & Carla?
[01:06] <ErichEickmeyer> sakrecoer: Good to see you on here for that short amount of time I was getting my son from school. XD
[01:08] <ErichEickmeyer> sakrecoer: Along the lines of what I just read, are you going to have time to do the release or should I get a crash course in release management?
[01:58] <ErichEickmeyer> OvenWerks: Anything we should know about bug 1761887?
[02:16] <ErichEickmeyer> slidinghorn: Is there any chance you'd be interested in doing documentation, fixing the wiki, etc.?
[02:19] <slidinghorn> Sure - just let me know what to fix :)
[02:23] <ErichEickmeyer> Cool. Really, the stuff Holstein was mentioning (update, don't delete), and just a lot of clean-up and updating. Specifically for that page, I know we need to get rid of the part about adding the KXStudio repo and just link to the instructions on the KXStudio website, or get rid of that section altogether.
[02:30] <slidinghorn> btw I responded to Set's email on the list confirming that it was me signing up on the web team - I haven't seen my email come through though
[02:37] <ErichEickmeyer> slidinghorn: Cool. I just checked and it looks like you're on there. You should be able to go to ubuntustudio.org/wp_admin and log-in using your Ubuntu account.
[02:42] <slidinghorn> ErichEickmeyer: still shows pending
[02:42] <ErichEickmeyer> Huh. Could be that sakrecoer just hasn't pushed the button yet/seen the email reply.
[02:50] <krytarik> Give the poor dudes like us in Europe some rest.. :P
[03:01] <ErichEickmeyer> krytarik: Why? ;)
[03:01] <krytarik> Some might be following a more usual day schedule.. :P
[03:02] <ErichEickmeyer> Yeah, I was kidding. I totally get the need for rest. As someone with a likely sleep disorder, I wholeheartedly endorse sleep.
[03:05] <krytarik> I mean for quite a while now, I myself didn't follow that at all, then a few days ago it suddenly jumped to be better, then in the other direction, and right now it's slipping in the opposite again. :P
[03:06] <krytarik> Also, regardless of this, the mail by now was sent just a bit more like an hour ago.
[03:08] <krytarik> Personally, even thinking of mail, I wouldn't expect nearly immediate response and action.
[03:18] <ErichEickmeyer> krytarik: Well, of course not.
[03:20] <ErichEickmeyer> Get some sleep. :)
[03:23] <krytarik> Yes, in fact I wanted to be sleeping for like 3 hours now already. :P
[03:27] <eylul> *quickly catches up to the log and heads to sleep*
[03:28] <krytarik> Ugh, same for you then.. :D
[03:28] <eylul> :)
[03:28] <eylul> really through. read you guys tomorrow. :)
[03:29] <krytarik> "tomorrow" ;D
[03:30] <krytarik> But yeah, I prefer to use the term nevertheless then too. :P
[03:31] <krytarik> Btw, all of you newcomers, we got an -offtopic channel too. :)
[03:34] <ErichEickmeyer> krytarik: I think I knew that at one point. Well, I'm there now. :)
[05:45] <tarzeau> not sure, but did i ever ask you guys to add: schismtracker, protracker, milkytracker, goattracker, and grafx2?
[05:45] <tarzeau> i also have a package of hivelytracker, but it's not in debian/ubuntu yet...
[05:45] <tarzeau> the name studio is irritating, it's not just for audio creatives, right?
[05:46] <tarzeau> if so, maybe also add: fonts-league-spartan and fonts-blankenburg, fonts-comfortaa, fonts-opendin
[15:49] <OvenWerks> tarzeau: Studio was never meant to be every possible artistic tool available under the sun.
[15:50] <OvenWerks> tarzeau: painters, film makes and other work in "Studios" too.
[15:52] <OvenWerks> tarzeau: if you wish to see X software included in Studio, can you tell us what it does and what workflow it fills that is not already filled or why it is better than the software included that already supports that workflow. That is make a case for its inclusion that goes beyond "you should".
[22:13] <SlidingHorn> so something broke in the past 2 days or so :/  My keyboard no longer responds/is detected, and XFCE doesn't finish loading...no panel, etc.
[22:19] <SlidingHorn> I can get my keyboard to respond if I load the regular (not the low-latency) kernel...XFCE panel still doesn't load though...
[22:55] <ErichEickmeyer> Oh wow. Bionic or Artful?
[22:55] <ErichEickmeyer> And can you boot from a live ISO?
[22:56] <SlidingHorn> bionic...suddenly there were 140 updates, and I'm rebooting now to see if something in there was the fix
[22:57] <ErichEickmeyer> Hopefully, otherwise it's stop the presses. I wonder if the Xubuntu guys are on top of it if it's Xfce related.
[22:58] <SlidingHorn> panel still isn't loading...I don't see anything obvious in my Xorg or syslog files
[22:59] <ErichEickmeyer> Yikes.
[22:59] <ErichEickmeyer> Try a live ISO. If your config got corrupted this could happen. Also, I've noticed that symptom in Virtualbox, but passed it off as VBox being buggy.
[23:00] <ErichEickmeyer> Live ISOs boot on my bare metal just fine.
[23:00] <SlidingHorn> I'll download a new one
[23:01] <SlidingHorn> should I just grab the beta2 or is there a daily somewhere I should get?
[23:10] <SlidingHorn> grabbing the daily.  Now that I think about it though, I had to use a different keyboard to install, because the installer didn't recognize mine for some reason (it's a Corsair K95 RGB)
[23:11] <ErichEickmeyer> I'd get the daily, since it has a problem with the installer fixed.
[23:11] <ErichEickmeyer> Does your keyboard take some kindof weird driver?
[23:12] <SlidingHorn> It worked after installation, but the installer itself wouldn't power it
[23:12] <ErichEickmeyer> Strange.
[23:13] <SlidingHorn> I did end up downloading a 3rd party driver for it though in order to get the RGB stuff working (ckb-next - https://github.com/ckb-next/ckb-next/ )
[23:33] <SlidingHorn> I can boot into a live ISO and the panel loads...
[23:52] <ErichEickmeyer> Sweet. So, probably a config issue with the panel in your install.


[06:31] <darkxst> ricotz, so nividia provide a nvidia specific way to make wayland compostitors work on there blob, I'm not sure the GNOME guys will bite at that ....
[06:36] <darkxst> will be interesting to see if plymouth and non-root Xorg work with their KMS implementation though
[06:52] <ricotz> darkxst, hey, obviously I haven't confirmed it works, and yeah, this sounds like some distro-patching
[07:00] <darkxst> I wasnt expecting you had tried it yet!
[07:01] <darkxst> I've only had time to read the release notes, and now its final beta time, hopefully less bumpy than beta 1 was
[07:04] <ricotz> darkxst, of course I am running this driver in the usual environment already though ;)
[07:05] <darkxst> that I would expect
[08:30] <gso> Using Gnome Shell - how do I disable the ALT+F1 shortcut that opens up activities ?
[17:31] <gso> How do I disable the ALT+F1 shortcut for activities?
[18:09] <gso> I can't find anything in the keyboard shortcuts about the ALT+F1 shortcut - and I can't find any extensions for it either... Really, I just need to disable ALT+F1 :/


[19:38] <mr_pouit> new thunar, tumbler and xfce4-panel just entered wheezy
[19:38] <mr_pouit> (I've synced tumbler)
[19:58] <pleia2> knome: plugin on new wp site looks good \o/
[20:00] <pleia2> I don't think the arrows actually work though (not sure I like them anyway)
[20:55] <Pjotr> mr_pouit: I have a feature request for xfce4-power-manager. I would like to be able to select "shutdown" as action when the laptop lid is being closed. This option is not available now, in Oneiric.
[20:59] <Pjotr> Is this possible? And what workaround can I use, for the time being (which config file to edit)?
[22:10] <scott-work> any sessions available for xubuntu or xfce during uds-p?
[22:10] <scott-work> also, what will xubuntu do when wayland is implemented?
[22:10] <scott-work> i'll catch the any answers on my ScottL account
[22:12] <pleia2> pretty sure wayland is too far off to think about right now :)
[22:13] <pleia2> not sure about xubuntu-specific sessions, but last time charlie-tca met in hallways to discuss things, we'll both be there again
[23:27] <ScottL> pleia2, i hope to meet both you and charlie at uds-p


[00:18] <rtdos> what's a good rss reader (command line) for ubuntu-server 12.04?
[00:20] <patdk-lap> jmedina, oh, most *san* units don't allow you to use lun's in active active mode across multible controllers
[00:20] <patdk-lap> some do, but you get decreased performance
[00:23] <mike3000> Hello I am having some trouble mounting a truecrypt drive under ubuntu-12.04 server without its usb adapter
[00:24] <mike3000> with the adapater i get 2 partitions (sda1 and sda5: and i mount sda5) without the adapter I get only sda1
[01:30] <jdstrand> hallyn: argh, I got sidetracked with a bunch of last minutes reviews. I am installing it now and will run overnight
[01:33] <tazmania> I have a Canon BJC-6500 with driver CUPS+Gutenprint v5.2.5(color) connected and configured on my ubuntu server 10.04 LTS.  I was able to setup a network share from my XP machine. However, I can't print from my XP.  I tried to print the test page on 192.168.0.x:631/printers/Canon_i6500 page with no luck either. Anybody?
[01:34] <tazmania> I am able to see the print queue in "Show All Jobs"
[01:50] <hallyn> jdstrand: thanks, talk to you in the morning
[01:50] <jdstrand> hallyn: ok, wish me luck, it is running :)
[01:50] <hallyn> :)
[01:51] <jdstrand> it looks like the cirrus bug may be fixed...
[01:51] <jdstrand> but I'll need to test more
[01:51] <jdstrand> oh, it was the 12.04 qemu-kvm that crashed, nm
[01:52] <jdstrand> not crashed-- the cirrus driver didn't work with quantal's unity
[01:52] <jdstrand> or compiz or whatever
[01:52] <jdstrand> anyhoo-- talk to you later :)
[02:10] <bitfury_> how can I change the default mta in ubuntu?
[02:10] <bitfury_> it's currently using 'mail' and I would like to change it to 'ssmpt'
[02:10] <qman__> possibly update-alternatives
[02:11] <qman__> but that's not the mta, that's mail client
[02:11] <qman__> mta is like, postfix, exim
[02:11] <qman__> sendmail
[02:11] <qman__> and to select which one you want to use, you install it, and remove any others
[02:12] <qman__> and ensure /usr/bin/sendmail links to it
[02:12] <patdk-lap> ssmtp is a mta (nullmailer)
[02:12] <sarnold> bitfury_: did you mean msmtp instead? install msmtp-mta as well
[02:12] <patdk-lap> but it and mail aren't in common at all
[02:13] <sarnold> patdk-lap: incidentally, mailx (which can supply /usr/bin/mail) actually _can_ do smtp directly: http://heirloom.sourceforge.net/mailx.html
[02:13] <sarnold> boggles the mind
[02:13] <patdk-lap> smtp directly != mta
[02:14] <sarnold> true.
[02:14] <patdk-lap> outlook does smtp directly :)
[02:14] <sarnold> but the lines are blurrier now than they used to be.
[02:14] <sarnold> haha :)
[02:14] <patdk-lap> defently not
[02:14] <patdk-lap> now, we can debate if a nullmailer is a real mta or not :)
[02:15] <patdk-lap> nullmailer being nullmail/ssmtp/msmtp/...
[02:25] <SpamapS> ugh, hpcloud needs 12.04.1 cloud images
[02:25]  * SpamapS drums fingers as all 12.04.0 -> now updates download and install on hpcloud's dog slow I/o
[02:55] <jaslap> openvpn help here?
[03:00] <jbicha> pmatulis_: howdy, what do you think of https://code.launchpad.net/~evarlast/serverguide/wordpress/+merge/117135
[03:00] <jbicha> the postgres & /24 parts have already been merged
[03:03] <jbicha> if you've got the time, there's several MPs to be reviewed at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/serverguide/quantal/+activereviews
[06:18] <sabgenton> hi all I made a virtual host but apache keeps saying
[06:18] <sabgenton> [Wed Sep 19 16:13:48 2012] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts
[06:19] <sabgenton> I tried the main config file and the sites-available file
[06:20] <sabgenton> (and symlinked it)
[08:52] <jamespage> ivoks, around?
[09:08] <sabgenton> solved
[09:21] <ivoks> jamespage: somewhere above sibir, yes :-)
[09:21] <jamespage> ivoks, hello!
[09:22] <jamespage> ivoks, I'm following up on work items in preparation for beta-2 of quantal
[09:22] <ivoks> ok
[09:22] <jamespage> ivoks, I have one for you "Expand existing test cases to support different configuration options for mail-server: TODO"
[09:22] <ivoks> i'm sure it looks like im slacking
[09:22] <jamespage> ivoks, nope - I understand we all have other stuff todo as well
[09:23] <ivoks> ok, test cases
[09:23] <jamespage> ivoks, I'd actually like to defer that one for quantal; we should switch over to the new UTAH framework for r-series opening
[09:23] <ivoks> ok
[09:23] <ivoks> fine with me
[09:24] <jamespage> ivoks, great - we can pick that up next release then
[09:24] <ivoks> yep
[09:24] <jamespage> UTAH does make things a little easer TBH
[09:24] <ivoks> i can always test it manually
[09:24] <jamespage> but its not quite in production yet for QA
[09:24] <ivoks> ok
[09:24] <jamespage> ivoks, that would be great in the interim
[09:25] <ivoks> right
[11:34] <tasslehoff> The 10.04 lts kernel has pae even if uname doesn't say so, right?
[11:45] <patdk-lap> no
[11:46] <patdk-lap> the server kernel installs generic-pae for i386
[11:51] <eagles0513875> Hey guys im trying to use squirrelmail to connect to dovecot imaps server + postfix and im getting a connection refused on squirrelmail Error connecting to IMAP server: localhost.
[11:51] <eagles0513875> 111 : Connection refused any ideas woudl be greatly appreciated as to how to fix this issue
[11:55] <patdk-lap> logs would be helpful?
[11:55] <patdk-lap> but are you using a secure imap connection?
[11:57] <eagles0513875> patdk-lap: yes i am and nothing is oddly showing up in the logs in terms of dovecot and any issues
[11:58] <patdk-lap> well, if nothing is showing up
[11:58] <patdk-lap> did you specify the correct port?
[11:58] <patdk-lap> don't have odd firewall rules?
[11:59] <patdk-lap> actually told dovecot to run imap?
[11:59] <eagles0513875> patdk-lap: no firewall as of yet and i told dovecot to run imaps
[11:59] <eagles0513875> and im using ports 993 and 25
[12:00] <eagles0513875> patdk-lap: not sure what else the issue could be?
[12:01] <eagles0513875> ill compare configs between my 2 servers
[12:01] <eagles0513875> i think its possibly a postfix issue
[12:02] <patdk-lap> heh
[12:02] <patdk-lap> it's clearly NOT a postfix issue
[12:02] <patdk-lap> unless you typed IMAP instead of SMTP
[12:02] <patdk-lap> and you where testing sending email
[12:11] <eagles0513875> patdk-lap: im trying to login with squirrelmail into my mailbox
[12:12] <eagles0513875> patdk-lap: coudl the issue be that i only updated the A record to access squirrelmail this morning
[12:13]  * eagles0513875 starts pulling hair out and swearing
[12:14] <Patrickdk> eagles0513875, none of those are the issue, if they where, the error would state so
[12:16] <eagles0513875> then what is the issue cuz i have no idea where i should be looking
[12:34] <eagles0513875> Patrickdk: :( where
[12:34] <eagles0513875> where is the problem and where i shoudl be looking I have checked and rechecked my issue
[13:56] <SpamapS> hrm, hpcloud doesn't seem to like euca tools anymore
[14:00] <zul> SpamapS: eh/
[14:41] <doko> Daviey, was there a plan for ipmitool promotion?
[15:14] <kydan> hey guys, I am trying to a restore of a innoDB style DB from a crashed ubuntu 10.04 server. I have the innoDB files and .frm files on a VM that I am trying to use for the recovery. I have tried hitting up #mysql but no one is available to help. I have followed http://egil.biz/how-to-recover-mysql-data-from-innodb/ but I am getting hung up on starting teh server in "recovery mode"
[15:14] <SpamapS> kydan: hung up how?
[15:14] <kydan> executing the following command: /usr/sbin/mysqld –innodb_log_file_size=5242880 –innodb_force_recovery=6 . However, it seem to hang there for quite awhile can I cant kill the process.
[15:15] <kydan> sorry, for the grammer there, I copied it from another message
[15:15] <kydan> grammar*
[15:15] <SpamapS> kydan: btw, #mysql is answering you (better place really)
[15:15] <kydan> SpamapS: ahh just did!, thanks
[15:15] <ninjix> I am having some trouble with my 12.04 not mounting glusterfs volumes on boot. They only mount automatically from fstab about 1/4 reboot.
[15:16] <ninjix> I have to ssh in and run "sudo mount -a"
[15:16] <SpamapS> ninjix: perhaps mountall doesn't see glusterfs as a remote filesystem
[15:16] <ninjix> I have _netdev in the fstab
[15:16] <SpamapS> ok that should work
[15:17] <ninjix> feels like an upstart sequencing issue but haven't been able to nail it down
[15:22] <ninjix> does the _netdev work in a general way or is it specific to nfs?
[15:49] <blendedbychris> if i have a deb.bin file, how can i make something like puppet install it?
[15:49] <blendedbychris> can i extract the actual deb out of it?
[15:55] <SpamapS> blendedbychris: .bin meaning a shell script with a binary embedded?
[15:55] <SpamapS> blendedbychris: most of those will have some way to say --extract instead of --install
[16:11] <hallyn> stgraber: bug 1052973, for now i'm just going to mark it wishlist, but i'm thinking we just want to punt on that until a general redesign of the template system is discussed?  (maybe at uds, maybe based on api)
[16:14] <stgraber> hallyn: sounds good
[16:15] <hallyn> not that i have any specific ideas.  just nebulous 'it should be better and more maintainable' :)
[16:23] <blendedbychris> SpamapS: oh doi… it extracts is all the executable does
[16:24] <SpamapS> :)
[17:08] <hallyn> stgraber: any fixes you want to queue up for lxc?  else i'll push ubuntu:lxc (which has two trivial fixes)
[17:09] <stgraber> hallyn: nope, don't have anything queued for quantal here
[17:09] <hallyn> cool, pushing
[17:12] <hallyn> jdstrand: test-qemu.py gave me 3 failures (http://paste.ubuntu.com/1215183/).  i think two just need updates to the parsing, but there was one segfault of qemu-system-i386, which i think accounts for the middle failure
[17:17] <hallyn> stgraber: when you get a chance, can you review+merge github.com/hallyn/lxc#staging.2
[17:17] <stgraber> hallyn: sure
[17:17] <hallyn> thx
[17:29] <stgraber> hallyn: pulled into staging
[17:31] <hallyn> stgraber: thx
[17:41] <lordievader> Good evening
[17:44] <jdstrand> hallyn: interesting
[17:52] <jdstrand> hallyn: so, if I do: qemu-system-i386 -M pc-0.10 -clock dynticks -rtc base=utc -monitor tcp:<IP_ADDRESS>:4444,server,nowait -hda ./qatest-virtio.img, I don't have the '1, function 2:' in the output
[18:00] <jdstrand> hallyn: ok, here is the reproducer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1215297/
[18:00] <jdstrand> hallyn: seems a legit bug. maybe contact ligouri or upstream?
[18:01] <jdstrand> the few seconds might actually be apport
[18:32] <Monotoko> best ask here... I would like to reinstall the OS on my server... does anybody know how I can backup my rtorrent if I don't have the .torrent files anymore?
[18:38] <hallyn> jdstrand: thanks.  will inquire
[18:39] <hallyn> jdstrand: when i tried that a few days ago, it didn't seem to crash, but maybe i didn't wait long enough
[18:40] <jdstrand> hallyn: fyi, this is a quantal amd64 host that is mostly up to date. I have qemu-common, qemu-kvm and qemu-utils at 1.2.0+noroms-0ubuntu1~ppa1
[18:53] <pramodns> hello all, Im trying to get apache 2.4 installed with ldap support
[18:53] <pramodns> it errors our saying apr/apr-util is compiled without ldap support
[18:54] <pramodns> and mod_authnz_ldap has been requested but can not be built due to prerequisite failures
[18:54] <pramodns> I have the http package downloaded and the apr and apr-util packages under srclib/
[19:44] <hallyn> jdstrand: so what exactly is o 0xae08 2 meant to do?
[20:01] <jdstrand> hallyn: you are making me lookup the CVE :P
[20:01] <jdstrand> hallyn: (sorry, I was on the phone)
[20:01] <jdstrand> hallyn: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2011/CVE-2011-1751.html
[20:02] <jdstrand> that sounds right, it hotunplugs the PCI-ISA bridge
[20:02] <jdstrand> which it shouldn't allow
[20:03] <hallyn> so that value to that mem location says 'unplug it pic-isa bridge'?
[20:03] <jdstrand> from the redhat bug: "Writing the value 2 to I/O port 0xae08 ("PCI_EJ_BASE") initiates the PIIX3 PCI-ISA bridge removal."
[20:03] <hallyn> interesting
[20:03] <hallyn> thanks
[20:03] <jdstrand> np
[20:08] <adam_g> zul: where did packaing come from for the python-swiftclient upload?
[20:08] <zul> for quantal?
[20:09] <adam_g> yea
[20:09] <zul> ci branches
[20:09] <adam_g> the one that was uploaded today/yesterday
[20:09] <adam_g> eh its not installable, but is from the CI branches
[20:10] <adam_g> actually wait
[20:10] <zul> adam_g: gah?
[20:10] <adam_g> 1:1.2.0-0ubuntu1
[20:10] <adam_g> ya, python-swiftclient is uninstallable
[20:11] <adam_g>  python-swiftclient : Depends: python2.7-swiftclient but it is not installable
[20:11] <zul> adam_g: crappers ill have a look
[20:11] <adam_g> zul: i had worked around that in the CI branch, but that change is missing from the upload.  tho, im not sure that is the correct fix. i uploaded a python-quantumclient with the same fix and got called out on ubuntu-devel :)
[20:12] <zul> adam_g: heh more like i get called out for something you did ;)
[20:12] <zul> anyways ill have a look at it
[20:13] <adam_g> zul: no, actually the other way
[20:13] <adam_g> :)
[20:13] <zul> adam_g: meh
[20:14] <zul> adam_g: anyways if you want to fix it....im away from computer for a while
[20:52] <lickalott> anyone have a suggestion for a good bandwidth usage monitor for server ed.?
[21:08] <plars> anyone here happen to know if post-upgrade on -server, a fsck is forced?
[21:09] <plars> I'm trying to test upgrade under kvm, and everytime I install fresh, then upgrade, despite the fact it seems to shutdown cleanly, it wants to fsck on the next boot
[21:09] <plars> (this is precise->quantal btw)
[21:10] <plars> the more interesting problem is that kvm seems to just hang when it gets to the fsck, if it's making progress, it's so slow I can't see it
[22:08] <iohn> Hi, I'm in dire need of help. Everytime I reboot my ubuntu server I need to attach keybaord/monitor because my SSH is failing to listen to the ethernet interface, but when I login I simply restart the service and it's good to go. I was thinking that delaying the SSH startup would fix it, how could this be done?
[22:08] <iohn> this has been occuring since I bridged my interface, I do however need it bridged.
[22:13] <sarnold> iohn: are there any messages in the logs about why ssh failed to listen in the first place?
[22:14] <sarnold> iohn: it seems to me that fixing the underlying problem would probably be easier than trying to delay the start of the program for some reason
[22:14] <iohn> all right, let me check, thanks for the reply
[22:44] <wkharold> juju issues on new maas install; after bootstrap, status checks fail. it looks like zookeeper isn't installed/listening: 2012-09-19 16:24:17,216:2850(0x7f576eec6700):ZOO_ERROR@handle_socket_error_msg@1579: Socket [<IP_ADDRESS>:51377] zk retcode=-4, errno=111(Connection refused): server refused to accept the client
[23:04] <mark1234567>  hello. does anybody know how to enable console access for a vm, runnign qemu as a hypervisor, kvm as the vm manager, and ubuntu 8.04 as the os?
[23:08] <cornfeed> is there a popular place to get custom repo source lists? i know in gentoo they have layman that allows for the easy addition and listing of popular repo maintainers
[23:09] <cornfeed> mark1234567: are you using qemu or vbox?
[23:09] <cornfeed> oh nvm
[23:10] <mark1234567> qemu
[23:10] <cornfeed> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-kvm-vnc-for-guest-machine/mark1234567:
[23:11] <cornfeed> that gives a decent overview
[23:14] <mark1234567> sorry i have already gone through this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM and hit a wall i have the xml configured and running and the ttyS0 configured in init.d but when i try to start it, it says "start: Unknown job: /etc/init.d/ttyS0"
[23:15] <mark1234567> i have also tried to add a console def to the xml and on resart it dropped from the devices def so i have no console access to the vm
[23:18] <cornfeed> mark1234567: yeah that tty setting is supposed to done inside the guest, not the host
[23:18] <cornfeed> is that where you set it?
[23:18] <mark1234567> oh. that isn't my setting. here for server stting https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialConsoleHowto
[23:18] <mark1234567> for the init.d file
[23:19] <sysadmin_no_1> Tossing it out there: I installed Quantal server yesterday. In the installer, it showed the new deterministic network naming format (p13p1 instead of eth0), and in /etc/network/interfaces, that name was there. However, when I ran "ip addr" or had to manually configure a bridge, I had to use the ethX name.
[23:19] <cornfeed> is this on a headless box? (not the vm, the host)
[23:19] <cornfeed> sysadmin_no_1: wtf
[23:19] <cornfeed> sysadmin_no_1: weird
[23:21] <mark1234567> no. but vm's are using bridged netowrking so i can access them directly i.e. instead of with routing/forwarding
[23:21] <mark1234567> the original vm is setup to have a static ip but it too has no console access so i can ssh to it but not the new one.
[23:22] <mark1234567> so either they disconnected the console after they setup or they did something i am missing
[23:22] <sysadmin_no_1> cornfeed: I know... Configuring lxcbr0 I was scratching my head for a few minutes. Tried the old name and it works. Nowhere in my networking stats do I see the "new" names used. (Also, I couldn't find any details on the new naming scheme in the Ubuntu site, though Fedora seems to have a small amount of info. Is it a kernel change, or a userland change?)
[23:25] <mark1234567> sudo virsh -c qemu:///system console domain which when i set the xml def to have a console should let me in to my understaning but when i fire up the vm it drops the console def from the xml file
[23:37] <mark1234567> found an answer for anyone that cares. http://askubuntu.com/questions/50947/starting-a-service-from-etc-event-d-works-but-not-from-etc-init 8.04 used a older version of upstart and the script has to be placed in event.d not init.d
[23:37] <mark1234567> thank you for the help. i appreciate it


[03:28] <mwhudson> wgrant: i'm trying to test some apport integration by reporting bugs against staging but it seems the bug data on staging is never processed?
[03:29] <mwhudson> wgrant: e.g. https://bugs.staging.launchpad.net/subiquity/+filebug/9e6444e6-c3c3-11e9-9244-18a9056479cc?field.title=block+probing+failed+with+ZeroDivisionError has been refreshing every 10s for several minutes now
[03:29] <mup> Bug #9: Rosetta's po parser is too strict <lp-translations> <Launchpad itself:Fix Released by carlos> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/9>
[03:29] <mwhudson> is this expected or did i break it somehow?
[03:31] <wgrant> mwhudson: Hm, the processing job runs minutely on staging
[03:31] <wgrant> It's possible it's broken somehow
[03:33] <mwhudson> wgrant: is that something you can determine or do i need a webop?
[03:35] <wgrant> mwhudson: I'm having a look
[03:35] <mwhudson> wgrant: tia
[03:35] <wgrant> But logrotation is apparently misconfigured so the log is 3.8GB
[03:35] <wgrant> will take a while to sync...
[03:35] <mwhudson> oof
[03:55] <wgrant> mwhudson: Well that's weird. It got a 503 while trying to talk to the librarian.
[03:55] <wgrant> Have you tried more than once?
[03:55] <wgrant> Some caches may have been cold or something
[03:55] <mwhudson> wgrant: i've tried twice
[03:55] <mwhudson> and uhh
[03:56] <mwhudson> wgrant: so it might be worth trying a few times?
[03:56] <wgrant> mwhudson: The answer to that on staging is always yes
[03:56] <wgrant> It's still got the full terabyte database, but the hot set is rarely hot
[03:58]  * mwhudson tries three more times
[04:03] <mwhudson> wgrant: my other three reports don't seem to be being processed either :(
[04:04] <wgrant> Hmm. Let's get IS to investigate after this network maintenance, then.
[04:08] <mwhudson> ok
[04:08] <mwhudson> well i need to go actually, so i'll try again tomorrow and then bug a sysadmin if it still doesn't work
[09:09] <cjwatson> SpecialK|Canon: Moving to Jenkins is a possibility, but it'd require a fair bit of work to make sure we don't seriously regress test runtime (would probably need us to run on lots of parallel instances or something).  What I was actually planning to do when we finish the move to git was to use Jenkins to process approved merge requests but without running tests, so it would replace bzr lp-land ...
[09:09] <cjwatson> ... rather than replacing buildbot.
[09:46] <wgrant> I mean the current parallel buildbot slaves are on super beefy machines from 2011
[09:46] <wgrant> Which means we could probably get reasonable performance from some moderately beefy VMs from 2019
[09:46] <cjwatson> Right, I'm sure it can be done, but it probably wouldn't work well if done naively.
[09:47] <cjwatson> Needs some attention rather than just whacking stuff into ols-jenkaas.
[10:32] <wgrant> Yep