[01:04] <moocow1452> Anyone good with SurfaceFlinger and hwcomposer?
[01:51] <Jroc0912> hey there. I have an evo 4g lte and a toshiba thrive that I would love to have running Ubuntu. I have rummaged through countless forums today and all posts about it has seemed to stop over a month ago. Does anybody know if there has been any progress on these devices or when I will be able to get a fully functional Ubuntu up and running on them
[01:56] <Jroc0912> ugh guess not. Thanks for being helpful
[03:55] <Mirv> kenvandine: xembed patch is in the 5.0.2 qtbase package
[06:14] <Mirv> renato_: did you see your commit comments in gerrit? since it wouldn't be acceptable as is, I think I'll remove the patch from our qtpim as well for now until a solution acceptable to upstream is found
[06:17] <chriadam> which QtPim backend are you using, out of interest?  An updated version of the syncevolution one?  Or something else?
[06:20] <Mirv> chriadam: just packaging a snapshot from https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qtpim, nothing else
[06:20] <chriadam> Mirv: ah ok
[07:36] <popey> morning
[09:50] <oSoMoN> mardy_: hey, I filed bug #1178552 to follow up on bug #1177964, could you please confirm it?
[09:51] <mardy_> oSoMoN: yep, looks good
[09:53] <oSoMoN> mardy_: so, could you please set the status to 'Confirmed'?
[09:54] <mardy_> oSoMoN: ops, done
[09:55] <oSoMoN> thx
[10:02] <oSoMoN> mardy_: could you please also confirm bug #1178601 ?
[10:02] <mardy_> oSoMoN: done, thanks
[11:58] <tux1986> hello everybody
[12:01] <tux1986> does somebody know wether the adb tools found the nexus that run with ubuntu 13.04 or something like that or only if adnroid on the nexus?
[12:02] <tux1986> i want to run ubuntu touch on nexus 7 and adb did not found the device with running ubuntu 13.04 on it
[12:02] <ogra_> there is no adb ... its the desktop install ...
[12:03] <ogra_> boot into recovery mode and use the manual install method described on the touch install wiki
[12:04] <tux1986> it used adb on the desktop too if see write
[12:10] <tux1986> i have installed ubuntu 13.04 installed on the nexus 7 and want to install ubuntu touch like the wiki says and it failed at 'adb devices' with device not found
[12:25] <ogra_> there is no adb ... its the desktop install ...
[12:25] <ogra_> boot into recovery mode and use the manual install method described on the touch install wiki
[12:26] <ogra_> (see, i can repeat my answers as well ... )
[12:29] <tux1986> i do it like you says ogra i change the nexus in recovery mode and run adb push on the desktop
[12:30] <ogra_> good
[12:30] <tux1986> it says device not found
[12:30] <ogra_> adb says that ?
[12:30] <ogra_> works here
[12:31] <ogra_> did you do all the preparation stuff described higher above in the wiki ?
[12:31] <ogra_> (adb restart=server etc)
[12:31] <ogra_> s/=/-/
[12:37] <tux1986> ok some restarts latter  adb devices displays me the device and adb push is running
[12:38] <ogra_> great :)
[12:38] <tux1986> adb is running and display no output is it right?
[12:39] <ogra_> for the armhf zip ?
[12:39] <ogra_> its quite big, it takes a while ...
[12:40] <tux1986> who long does it run?
[12:40] <ogra_> 10min or so
[12:40] <tux1986> ok i wait a while ;)
[12:41] <ogra_> the armel grouper zip is surely faster :)
[12:42] <tux1986> i run http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/raring-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip
[12:42] <ogra_> (make sure you do both zips in the right order, that is very important)
[12:43] <ogra_> (like the wiki describes)
[12:44] <user82> does someone have ubuntu touch on a nexus 4? for me it was really really laggy, especially in the dropdown menu. is that normal?
[12:45] <ogra_> many do ...
[12:45] <ogra_> and it should not be laggy on the n4 at all
[12:45] <ogra_> sounds like you found some bug
[12:45] <user82> oh too bad. for me it was quite laggy in the dropdown menus. unusable i would say
[12:45] <sergiusens> actually depends on the device... but 10 min is a got average for the slowest one
[12:45] <user82> maybe i test a daily "end of may" again
[12:57] <pmcgowan> user82, sounds like there must be something eating up you cpu, can you check top and the logs
[12:57] <pmcgowan> user82, it should no appear at all slow
[12:57] <user82> ok thanks pmcgowan
[12:57] <user82> i flashed back my android but if the problem persists with the first 3g rom(where i will start using ubuntu) i will look into it
[12:58] <pmcgowan> ok
[13:02]  * ogra_ really wonders hwy the saucy zip is so much smaller than the raring one
[13:02] <ogra_> s/hwy/why/
[13:03] <pmcgowan> ogra_, have you diffed the manifests?
[13:03] <ogra_> not yet
[13:03] <ogra_> its 495 vs 524M
[13:03] <ogra_> waiting for the first fully automated build in 2h
[13:03] <pmcgowan> maybe all those double versions were cleaned up
[13:04] <ogra_> my test of the last saucy image didnt really show any nis-function
[13:04] <pmcgowan> yep
[13:04] <ogra_> *mis
[13:04] <pmcgowan> also, I think we just dropped python2.7
[13:04] <ogra_> but then that was on friday .... and yesyerdays build was having Qt issues
[13:04] <ogra_> in about 2h there should be a working build i will test
[13:05] <pmcgowan> cool
[13:05] <ogra_> at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/  btw
[13:20] <pmcgowan> ogra_, aha we drop the preview and so its real
[13:21] <ogra_> yeah
[13:21] <Mirv> boiko: hi, you probably noticed the bug reports and e-mails. phone-app / qt pim should all work now again, but it'd be nice if you rechecked
[13:21] <boiko> Mirv: nice! thanks for looking into that
[13:21] <ogra_> it still uses a gross hack to produce the zip from the tarball ...
[13:21] <ogra_> until we have a bionic cross toolcahin in the archive
[13:21] <pmcgowan> ok
[13:22] <pmcgowan> do you have an alternate settings to use it with p-f?
[13:22] <pmcgowan> ogra_, ^^
[13:22] <ogra_> nope
[13:23] <ogra_> we should just switch the default once we know its safe
[13:23] <pmcgowan> just thought it would make it easier to get more testing, let me look
[13:23] <ogra_> until we do, i would call it experimental enough that people can just use the manual method
[13:24] <ogra_> do a normal p-f with the latest ... then adb push the saucy zip to autodeploy.zip and reboot recovery ....
[13:26] <pmcgowan> ogra_, I am too lazy for that, I have an alternate settings already
[13:26] <ogra_> well, p-f would need some changes until we start shipping tteh android bits in ubuntu-touch/ anyway
[13:27] <ogra_> which again hangs on the bionic toolchain
[13:27] <pmcgowan> ogra_, oh you dont have the android stuff there at all
[13:27] <ogra_> (like most other image realted stuff)
[13:27] <pmcgowan> whats the diff between phablet and touch zips
[13:28] <ogra_> you mean the android layer ?
[13:28] <ogra_> there is none, we dont produce android stuff in saucy at all yet
[13:28] <pmcgowan> so we cant really switch until thats done
[13:28] <sergiusens> Mirv: I approved your sensors MR
[13:29] <ogra_> we can ... by using the android zips we have from jenkins
[13:29] <Mirv> sergiusens: thanks. 2 down, 1 to go (qtwebkit)
[13:29] <ogra_> the resulting zip should be the same either way
[13:29] <sergiusens> ogra_: pmcgowan difference is what is in ppa:phablet-team
[13:29] <pmcgowan> ogra_, so the current dir will look the same, just manually copy them to it
[13:29] <ogra_> and i could just sync into ubuntu-touch/
[13:30] <ogra_> sergiusens, on the android layer ?
[13:30] <pmcgowan> ogra_, I was asking the diff between phablet.zip and touch.zip
[13:30] <sergiusens> ogra_: is network manager fixed?
[13:30] <ogra_> sergiusens, nope
[13:30] <ogra_> i dont think there were any fixes at all since last friday
[13:30] <ogra_> apart from me working on image building
[13:31] <ogra_> cyphermox,  ^^^ is merging NM on your TODO ?
[13:31] <pmcgowan> do we have a hitlist of things to do before saucy transition
[13:31] <sergiusens> ogra_: so what I'm saying is, if hybris changes today, the android layer will change but saucy won't (ppa:phablet-team)
[13:31] <user82> pmcgowan, i do not know the details but is it completely impossible to include dalvikvm in ubuntu touch? licence or tech wise?
[13:32] <ogra_> pmcgowan, phablet.zip vs touch.zip is differing in the underlying system ... beyond that they use the same PPAs (until finally everyone starts uploading too saucy instead of PPAs
[13:32] <ogra_> )
[13:32] <sergiusens> user82: you can do it tech wise, but it's not the focus
[13:32] <user82> ok sergiusens
[13:32] <pmcgowan> user82, tech wise no, license would also be ok but would cause other issues for manufacturers
[13:32] <ogra_> sergiusens, oh, could you copy that to saucy then ?
[13:32] <user82> ok
[13:33] <pmcgowan> also dalvik is just the VM, you ned to look into the runtime deps
[13:33] <pmcgowan> so its a big thing tech qise
[13:33] <pmcgowan> wise
[13:33] <user82> allright thanks. do not really miss it once the basic apps are complete more a question of personal interest
[13:33] <sergiusens> ogra_: it hasn't changed yet ;-)
[13:33] <ogra_> sergiusens, oops, missed the "if" :)
[13:34] <pmcgowan> ogra_, I didnt understand the last answer, I see a touch_armhf.tar.gz and a phablet_armhf.zip
[13:34] <sergiusens> ogra_: but those should land for saucy if they change eventually
[13:34] <pmcgowan> why two things
[13:34] <sergiusens> ogra_: the META-INF, is it the same one from raring or did you fork it?
[13:34] <ogra_> pmcgowan, oops, thanks ! ... typo in my evil script !
[13:35] <ogra_> sergiusens, i had to fork it minimally ...
[13:35] <pmcgowan> ogra_, sergiusens I think we have a session next week to review the transition and ensure we have all the pre-requisite steps
[13:35] <mibofra> oi ciao :))
[13:35] <pmcgowan> is that true?
[13:35] <sergiusens> if it's not there we should!
[13:35] <pmcgowan> right, we need to do the blueprint today if its not there
[13:35] <sergiusens> ogra_: was that in the list of BPs you were going to setup?
[13:35] <mibofra> ops sorry XD
[13:36] <mibofra> I've changed channel guys XD
[13:36] <ogra_> sergiusens, nope, just raw hackery yet...
[13:36] <ogra_> sergiusens, run_program("/sbin/mv", "/data/ubuntu_tmp_extract", "/data/ubuntu");
[13:36] <ogra_> in updater-script
[13:36] <ogra_> the official tarballs dont have a "binary" toplevel dir, just /
[13:39] <ogra_> pmcgowan, phablet vs touch fixed ... the new build should come out at preinstalled-touch like it should
[13:39] <ogra_> s/at/as/
[13:39] <pmcgowan> ogra_, ok
[13:39] <jhodapp> sergiusens, the sensor MR worked for you? Did you build your own package and install it to the target?
[13:39] <sergiusens> jhodapp: hey, just say you claimed the review
[13:40] <pmcgowan> ogra_, can you make a bp for the saucy image work
[13:40] <sergiusens> jhodapp: I already Happroved, we can switch back
[13:40] <sergiusens> jhodapp: well I fixed the build, then used the deb that came out of jenkins
[13:40] <jhodapp> sergiusens, no that's ok, if you got it to work then it must be working...I don't know why it didn't work for me
[13:40] <sergiusens> jhodapp: seem my comment :-)
[13:40] <ogra_> pmcgowan, on my TODO already ... just didnt register it yet
[13:40] <pmcgowan> vg thanks
[13:40] <sergiusens> jhodapp: tried on maguro, and can try on manta as well if it makes sense
[13:40] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, will we spin a new raring build this morning?
[13:41] <jhodapp> sergiusens, couldn't hurt to try it on manta
[13:41] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: the webkit bug isnt' fixed yet... and the sensors was just looked at today... so it would be broken
[13:41] <jhodapp> sergiusens, what build # did you try this on?
[13:42] <sergiusens> jhodapp: 119
[13:42] <sergiusens> jhodapp: my manta has 118 with a dist-upgrade I did to track down the issue... I'll test there too
[13:42] <jhodapp> sergiusens, ok, leave it as approved then...my setup must be funny then
[13:43] <sergiusens> jhodapp: nah, pulling out the manta :-)
[13:43] <ogra_> wasnt 119 broken ?
[13:44] <ogra_> (due to Qt)
[13:44] <ogra_> sergiusens, btw, tell me once i can enable syncing again, i see colin switched it off
[13:45] <Mirv> jhodapp: I tried the sensors on a mako
[13:45] <sergiusens> ogra_: yeah 119 is broken
[13:45] <jhodapp> Mirv, works ok?
[13:45] <Mirv> jhodapp: yes, I wouldn't have submitted the merge proposal otherwise :)
[13:45] <jhodapp> Mirv, do you have a galaxy nexus?
[13:46] <Mirv> jhodapp: I did notice your supplied qtsensors.qml used the dummy output unless I disabled that plugin, but it gave the "Registered..." text in all cases and all apps worked
[13:46] <sergiusens> Mirv: jhodapp works fine on manta as well
[13:46] <Mirv> jhodapp: unfortunately not
[13:46] <jhodapp> sergiusens, awesome, thanks
[13:46] <Mirv> sergiusens: ok, thanks
[13:46] <jhodapp> Mirv, hmm ok, you should probably see about getting one since that's our primary target atm.
[13:47] <ogra_> ++
[13:47] <sergiusens> jhodapp: I won't Happrove since I see you added Needs Fixing ;-)
[13:48] <ogra_> they are hard to get though ...
[13:48] <sergiusens> jhodapp: you can download the deb from the MR btw
[13:48] <jhodapp> sergiusens, now you can Happrove
[13:48] <sergiusens> jhodapp: maguro is the target, but not everyone is going to have one as you can't buy them anymore
[13:49] <pmcgowan> jhodapp, we have 4 reference designs, not everyone can have all of them
[13:49] <jhodapp> sergiusens, oh really, hmm
[13:49] <pmcgowan> nexus is mainly prime for devs since its the lowest capability
[13:49] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: they are all nexus ;-)
[13:49] <pmcgowan> indeed
[13:49] <jhodapp> pmcgowan, makes sense...I though Mirv might want one for testing out the performance of new Qt versions on low-end hardware
[13:49] <Mirv> jhodapp: before last week I didn't have any device, so I'm happy I have at least one device. my arm Qt building is also doable with that in case needed.
[13:50] <pmcgowan> jhodapp, I think some others can do that
[13:50] <jhodapp> right
[13:50] <sergiusens> Mirv: so what's the issue with qtwebkit and the patch not applying?
[13:53] <ogra_> jhodapp, thats why we have a QA team ;)
[13:54] <ogra_> we need to make more use of them
[13:54] <Mirv> sergiusens: if you take  lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qtwebkit-opensource-src , and try to apply the add_experimentalDevicePixelRatio.patch as it was until bzr26 in that branch on top of Qt 5.0.2, it fails
[13:54] <jhodapp> ogra_, QA team, what's that? ;p
[13:54] <ogra_> as soon as the word "test" comes up in a sentence it should scream QA to you ;)
[13:54] <Mirv> sergiusens: so I modified the patch to apply, see bzr diff -r 26..27, and the first thought would be that I modified it wrong and that's why it doesn't work. the other option is that something else changed in qtwebkit 5.0.2
[14:03] <cyphermox> ogra_: yes, it is
[14:04] <ogra_> ah, cool, so the saucy image should work then
[14:10] <sergiusens> ogra_: cyphermox in the TODO or done?
[14:11] <ogra_> oh, heh
[14:11]  * ogra_ was assuming a yes to the merge :) not to the list addition
[14:11] <cyphermox> ogra_: in todo
[14:11] <ogra_> k
[14:12] <cyphermox> I can't just take the patches that were on raring/quantal for touch, they're not right for desktop
[14:13] <cyphermox> where can I try the saucy image?
[14:13] <ogra_> soon from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/
[14:13] <ogra_> the 20130510/ image should start being usable
[14:14] <ogra_> (i hope)
[14:14] <ogra_> cdimage should spit it out within the next hour
[14:33] <jmanuel_cool> hi
[14:33] <jmanuel_cool> someone speak spanish?????
[14:34] <ogra_> people in spain do ... i heard
[14:34] <jmanuel_cool> ok, can i install ubuntu touch on my huawei UM840???
[14:35] <ogra_> check the devices wikipage
[14:35] <jmanuel_cool> i was reading wiki, but can't find this hardware
[14:35] <ogra_> !devices | jmanuel_cool
[14:35] <ogra_> if it isnt there you can do a port (or try to find somebody to do it for you)
[14:35] <jmanuel_cool> thank ogra_
[14:35] <ogra_> !porting | jmanuel_cool
[14:36] <ogra_> !ports | jmanuel_cool
[14:36] <ogra_> bah
[14:36] <ogra_> popey, dont we have a command for the ports page ?
[14:36] <jmanuel_cool> ogra_: that's sound cool, but i'm not programmer :'C
[14:37] <ogra_> (teh porting link is in the channel topic btw)
[14:38] <jmanuel_cool> ogra_: i find this device https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/u8815 << which is similar (but not equal) hardware, but wikipage is empty
[14:38]  * jmanuel_cool apologize for his worst english
[14:39] <ogra_> i can understand you ... so your english is good enough :)
[14:39] <ogra_> the page has links in the top table
[14:39] <popey> ogra_: dont think so
[14:41] <jmanuel_cool> ogra_: i'm reading links, but job can be rude
[14:43] <jmanuel_cool> well, i have other smartphone like mine, but the touch screen is broken (image can be displayed, but "tactil" don't work), i think to try with this
[14:44] <popey> ogra_: is ubuntu_stamp going to move at some point?
[14:44] <popey> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/ubuntu_stamp will be somewhere else?
[14:44] <ogra_> its a jenkins thing
[14:45] <popey> I mean, the directory structure is changing?
[14:45] <popey> s/-preview// ?
[14:45] <ogra_> if we dont use jenkins, the cdimage dir and .disk/info files are your stamp as on every other ubuntu install
[14:46] <ogra_> right, cdimage buiulds should not have the -preview anymore
[14:46] <popey> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/ubuntu_stamp is missing because the build was done manually, not via jenkins?
[14:46] <popey> (I want to monitor that file so I know when a new build is done)
[14:46] <jmanuel_cool> ok, another question, ¿what environment this use? ¿can i use other? like e16/17
[14:46] <ogra_> popey, not manually, via a proper buildsystem :)
[14:47] <popey> meow
[14:47] <popey> ☻
[14:47] <ogra_> jmanuel_cool, no, there is no Xorg on the images, so you can not use any apps that use X
[14:48] <jmanuel_cool> ogra_: ??????
[14:48] <ogra_> jmanuel_cool, ubuntu-touch does not use X
[14:48] <jmanuel_cool> ogra_: why?????
[14:49] <jmanuel_cool> ogra_: >> http://g300.thebronasium.com/screenshots/ubuntu/device-2013-02-27-211800_thumb.png << it's a joke?????
[14:49] <ogra_> because it will use Mir (and currently uses androids SurfaceFlinger) as display server
[14:49] <ogra_> no, thats how ubuntu-touch looks like
[14:50] <popey> if you're looking at it from a far away..
[14:50] <ogra_> but it does use its own display server, X applications do not run
[14:51] <Mirv> (yet)
[14:52] <jmanuel_cool> ogra_: ok, now i understand
[14:52] <jmanuel_cool> ogra_: porting link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting
[14:53] <ogra_> popey, wget -q -O - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/| html2text |grep " 2013"|tail -1|cut -d" " -f2
[14:54] <ogra_> should work until end of the year :)
[14:54] <popey> hah
[14:54] <popey> thanks
[14:54] <ogra_> (can surely be cleaner, thats just a quick and dirty one)
[14:55] <popey> are we moving away from build numbers to build dates?
[14:55] <ogra_> we are moving towards the generic build system
[14:56] <popey> hm
[14:56] <ogra_> which does "$datestamp.$sequence"
[14:56] <ogra_> (mitting .$sequence if $sequence is empty)
[14:56] <ogra_> *omitting
[15:04] <sergiusens> Mirv: do you mind removing the current qtwebkit build? I copied the ~test3 one to phablet-team just in case... if so we can re enable the builds and fix this in parallel
[15:17]  * jmanuel_cool downloading everything for flash his device
[15:18] <sergiusens> ogra_: pmcgowan I compared the manifests, packagewise, usb and consolekit are the only removals I can quickly see
[15:18] <ogra_> usb ?
[15:19] <sergiusens> ogra_: libgusb2:armhf 0.1.5-0ubuntu1 and  libusb-1.0-0:armhf 2:1.0.12-2ubuntu1
[15:20] <ogra_> ah
[15:20] <ogra_> yeah that switches to 2.0 afaik
[15:20] <ogra_> and CK is dead and gone
[15:21] <sergiusens> yup, still wouldn't explain the big image
[15:21] <ogra_> not really
[15:21] <ogra_> i mean, binaries might be smaller due to gcc 4.8 .... but not to that extend
[15:21] <sergiusens> unless it's a livebuild thing...
[15:22] <popey> compression level?
[15:22] <ogra_> we use -9 on cdimage
[15:22] <ogra_> -9 --rsyncable actually
[15:22] <ogra_> (for gziping the tarball)
[15:27] <smagster> back to the X11 ?....so is anyone working on it for ubuntu-touch
[15:28] <ogra_> ask in #ubuntu-mir
[15:28] <ogra_> but i doubt its in the focus
[15:28] <ogra_> (thats rather a 14.04 task)
[15:37]  * ogra_ would appreciate if people with other nexus devices could test the zip from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/
[15:39] <Mirv> sergiusens: I wouldn't remove it unless the old version is known to work with newer qt.. the version mismatch complaints (can't mix 5.0.1 with 5.0.2) come up often
[15:40] <kenvandine> aquarius, i took your maps patch and proposed it for you https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/friends-app/maps/+merge/163332
[15:41] <kenvandine> :)
[15:41]  * ogra_ kind of has the feeling that saucy is way more responsive
[15:41] <aquarius> hey kenvandine, sorry, I haven't had time to look at it :(
[15:41] <ogra_> but that might be a subjective impression or just wishful thinking
[15:41] <pmcgowan> ogra_, gcc enhancements?
[15:41] <ogra_> probably
[15:41] <ogra_> try it :)
[15:42] <kenvandine> aquarius, mind giving it a review?  i also tweaked some labels to make the location name look like it is a button
[15:42] <ogra_> no networking though
[15:42] <kenvandine> aquarius, no worries :)
[15:42] <pmcgowan> ogra_, no networking!
[15:42] <ogra_> nope
[15:42] <ogra_> it uses network-manager from the archive which doesnt have the patches yet
[15:42] <aquarius> kenvandine, I did note that dropping letters now doesn't have any music on my desktop, presumably because the phone can't do music?
[15:43] <kenvandine> aquarius, right
[15:43] <kenvandine> i couldn't figure out how to make it fail gracefully
[15:43] <kenvandine> instead of crashing
[15:45] <Mirv> sergiusens: tested downgrading quickly and webrowser-app continues to work, so removed for now (a copy is still in qt5-beta-proper). I do have a memory that qtwebkit didn't appear to have the version clash problem at some point earlier, so maybe it just works.
[15:45] <Mirv> sergiusens: if the webkit 5.0.2 is needed back, it can be copied
[15:46] <sergiusens> Mirv: ok, if we need it, we will need it with the webkit fix
[15:46] <sergiusens> *DPR fix
[15:48] <popey> ogra_: got intructions for manually installing those files on a nexus 4? I only ever use phablet-flash ☻
[15:49] <ogra_> popey, boot into recovery ... adb push /path/to/saucy/zip /sdcard/autodeploy.zip; adb reboot recovery
[15:50] <aquarius> kenvandine, did the thing that meant that no posts had locations get fixed? that's why I didn't submit the branch before
[15:50] <popey> ogra_: ta
[15:50] <ogra_> works also without recovery but i dont know if the mapping of /sdcard is the same on the n4
[15:50] <kenvandine> i had a handful from facebook
[15:50] <popey> ogra_: no need for the tgz?
[15:50] <ogra_> nope
[15:50] <kenvandine> and of course foursquare all had them
[15:50] <popey> k
[15:50] <ogra_> just the zip
[15:50] <kenvandine> aquarius, so i tested it
[15:50] <aquarius> kenvandine, aah, that was it. I only use twitter, and twitter locations weren't showing up, so I couldn't test it properly
[15:51] <kenvandine> aquarius, for an easy way to test it, i removed all my other accounts
[15:51] <kenvandine> and just left foursquare :)
[15:51] <aquarius> kenvandine, which also means that I can't meaningfully review it, though :(
[15:51] <aquarius> s'pose I could just add a foursquare account, couldn't i?
[15:51] <kenvandine> hehe :)
[15:51] <kenvandine> yeah
[15:51] <kenvandine> if you remove your twitter account, the rows will get purged from the model
[15:52] <kenvandine> so you can then get a feed of just foursquare
[15:52] <kenvandine> just for testing
[15:56] <aquarius> kenvandine, oi! it doesn't *do* foursquare.
[15:57] <kenvandine> ?
[15:57] <aquarius> I have no option in online accounts to add a foursquare account.
[15:57] <kenvandine> friends-foursquare
[15:57] <kenvandine> install that
[15:57] <kenvandine> which should pull in account-plugin-foursquare
[15:57] <aquarius> oh
[15:57] <aquarius> heh
[15:58] <aquarius> friends doesn't depend on all its account types?
[15:58] <kenvandine> it does
[15:58] <kenvandine> the plugins do
[15:58] <kenvandine> you didn't have friends-foursquare installed
[15:58] <aquarius> but friends itself doesn't depend on all its plugins?
[15:58] <aquarius> how would I know that friends-foursquare existed?
[15:58] <kenvandine> nope
[15:58] <kenvandine> software center :)
[15:58] <kenvandine> it suggests them all
[15:59] <aquarius> ya, but friends is gonna be default, right?
[15:59] <kenvandine> yeah
[15:59] <kenvandine> on twitter and facebook are in main
[15:59] <kenvandine> different level of support
[15:59] <aquarius> at that point, either we should also ship all the plugins, or there should be some way of alerting the user that they can add foursquare, I think
[15:59] <aquarius> oh, we don't *want* people to add other plugins unless they know what they're doing?
[16:00] <kenvandine> well, i want them to
[16:00] <kenvandine> but we don't necessarily want to have to support everything plugin anyone contributes
[16:00] <kenvandine> we want to make sure it is well maintained
[16:00] <kenvandine> foursquare is though
[16:01] <kenvandine> we should come up with a way to make that more discoverable
[16:01] <aquarius> I have to actually remove my twitter account? I can't just block friends from accessing it?
[16:01] <kenvandine> but, if someone knows they want foursquare, they'll look in software center and see it's available
[16:01] <kenvandine> oh
[16:01] <kenvandine> you can probably just block it
[16:01] <kenvandine> if not... that's a bug :)
[16:02] <aquarius> disagree completely. It never would have occurred to me that Ubuntu even knows about foursquare.
[16:02] <aquarius> now, you can argue that my first thing would be to search for a foursquare app, and then I discover the Ubutnu foursquare integration...
[16:02] <kenvandine> aquarius, how would you install foursquare on your iphone?
[16:02] <kenvandine> right
[16:02] <kenvandine> search for foursquare would show friends
[16:02] <aquarius> right. If I look for an app.
[16:03] <aquarius> but bear in mind that, at least near the beginning, most app searches that people do will not have a result.
[16:03] <aquarius> so people won't instinctively hit the app store for everything, like they do on iphone/android now
[16:03] <kenvandine> yeah
[16:03] <kenvandine> if we get reliable location support we should add foursquare by default
[16:04] <aquarius> sweet, the maps work.
[16:05] <sergiusens> ogra_: just nticed the gallery app in the saucy build may be the busted one
[16:05] <ogra_> sergiusens, apart from that it works for you ?
[16:05] <ogra_> (and the other known bugs indeed)
[16:06] <sergiusens> ogra_: yeah, was also testing the save_my_stuff thing... both f the things I used to infer from the UI are broken :-P ... network and gallery
[16:06] <popey> fginther: when you get a chance, can you update the core apps daily ppa so that it builds for saucy as well as raring please?
[16:06] <ogra_> mediaplayer and sound too
[16:06] <ogra_> at least on the gnex
[16:07] <popey> i just get a black screen on saucy with gallery
[16:07] <sergiusens> ogra_: those should be fixed... so it might just need a series copy
[16:07] <sergiusens> popey: it's the bug from last week
[16:07] <popey> ah ok
[16:07] <ogra_> i wish people would just upload to saucy
[16:07] <ogra_> the backporting should be the copy ... not the forward port
[16:08] <sergiusens> ogra_: we have that task centralized
[16:08] <sergiusens> ogra_: one person flips the switch and it happens for everything
[16:08] <ogra_> well, if we dont switch asap we will have less time to fix saucy bugs
[16:08] <fginther> popey, it already is, is there an issue?
[16:09] <popey> oh! nope ☻
[16:10] <ogra_> a good citizen :)
[16:10] <sergiusens> ogra_: sound may be broken because the pulseaudio thing...
[16:10] <ogra_> yeah
[16:10] <sergiusens> ogra_: we should tag a raring release and move on
[16:10] <sergiusens> nmcli
[16:10] <ogra_> is there a bug filed for pulse ?
[16:11] <ogra_> well, phablet/network/setup shoould work too, no ?
[16:11] <ogra_> oops s/\//-/
[16:11] <sergiusens> ogra_: yeah...
[16:11] <sergiusens> ogra_: but the polkit thing is what's broke
[16:11] <ogra_> ah
[16:12] <sergiusens> ogra_: iirc, cyphermox was waiting on the container flip to fix NM
[16:12] <ogra_> ok
[16:12] <ogra_> next onmy todo :)
[16:12] <sergiusens> ogra_: I can in the meantime create a greater nm version (whch I can later delete).
[16:12] <sergiusens> same would apply for mountall et.al.
[16:13] <ogra_> just bump it minimally. esle upgraders will never get the new one
[16:13] <sergiusens> popey: mind moving back to raring?
[16:13] <ogra_> mountall is fine
[16:13] <ogra_> we already get the PPA one by default
[16:14] <ogra_> i expect to have properly booting flipped image for all nexus devices by end of next week ... depending how much time UDS leaves me
[16:14] <popey> sergiusens: sure
[16:14] <sergiusens> ogra_: ack... although _upgraders_ is a story to be told much more in the future, was hoping these packages would be long gone by then
[16:14] <cyphermox> sergiusens: ogra_: we have some changes w/ logind and stuff, if it's in the chroot NM can just run...
[16:14] <ogra_> (flipped images without running surfaceflinger though)
[16:14] <sergiusens> popey: as soon as my saucy, save my stuff is ready, 'm going to ask you to update to that :-P
[16:16] <popey> ok
[16:17] <popey> how you doing save my stuff?
[16:17] <popey> my crappy script just zips up and adb pulls the zip file off
[16:17] <popey> https://code.launchpad.net/~popey/+junk/phablet-flash-wrapper
[16:17] <popey> then flashes then pushes the zip back on and unzips it
[16:19] <sergiusens> popey: I'm saving as part of the zip file :-)
[16:20] <popey> so will it cater for someone like me who has two devices?
[16:22] <user82> are daily changelogs available? did not find anything good in google
[16:32] <pmcgowan> user82, you can find the changelog for each build up on cdimage for example http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/raring-preinstalled.changelog
[16:32] <user82> thanks pmcgowan
[16:40] <Pat_PPOS> hi
[16:40] <Pat_PPOS> network doesn't work with saucy image ?
[16:41] <ogra_> yeah, known issue
[16:41] <ogra_> gallery, network, mediaplayer and sound
[16:42] <sergiusens> popey: pmcgowan https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/touch-preview-images/phablet-build-scripts/+merge/163338
[16:42] <popey> ok
[16:44] <Pat_PPOS> saucy image seems to be more fast or fluid
[16:44] <popey> sergiusens: so I'm running raring on this, do you want me to take some pictures and login to gmail etc to generate locat data/
[16:44] <popey> ?
[16:44] <popey> before following your steps
[16:44] <sergiusens> popey: yeah, I wrote some sort of testing instructions
[16:44] <sergiusens> and what to expect
[16:44] <popey> yeah, i see those, but it doesn't recommend creating data first
[16:45] <popey> just presumes I have some
[16:45] <ogra_> code wise it looks fine to me
[16:45] <sergiusens> kenvandine: can you do a copy of gallery-app from raring to saucy in daily-build-next?
[16:45] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, so we can test that against raring I assume?
[16:46] <sergiusens> popey: doh... when I wrote check photos taken, forgot to write, 'take photos :-)
[16:46] <popey> ☻
[16:46] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: against anything actually... should just work
[16:46] <ogra_> sergiusens, not really
[16:46] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: just use the image I have uploaded
[16:47] <pmcgowan> that saveme.zip
[16:47] <ogra_> (on saucy i mean)
[16:47] <sergiusens> ogra_: not sure if the question was what you had to have installed on your system or to where
[16:47] <sergiusens> ogra_: but the image I uploaded is a saucy one ;-)
[16:48] <ogra_> oh
[16:48] <sergiusens> ogra_: sans binary ;-)
[16:48] <ogra_> sans binary ?
[16:48] <ogra_> how does that work ?
[16:48] <ogra_> i thought the binary is the interpreter for that script language
[16:49] <ogra_> oh, sans binary subdir you mean
[16:49]  * ogra_ thought update-binary
[16:51] <sergiusens> ogra_: lol... too much of a Friday
[16:51] <ogra_> heh
[17:03] <popey> sergiusens: looks good
[17:04] <popey> sergiusens: trying to phablet-flash back to 118 gives out of space error
[17:04] <popey> need to tidy up /sdcard
[17:07] <sergiusens> popey: heh... oh, that can be an issue for big homes :-/
[17:08] <popey> i only had 3 pictures
[17:08] <popey> (along with all the pictures/videos we pre-install)
[17:08] <popey> [which I'd quite like to remove]
[17:08] <ogra_> big pictures ?
[17:08] <ogra_> :)
[17:19] <sergiusens> ogra_: that's my weekend task... not populate messages, remove the demo stuff and create a script to add the demo content
[17:20] <popey> be nice to optionally add the core apps and collections ppa and the meta packages inside them
[17:20] <popey> basically..
[17:20] <popey> add-apt-repository -y ppa:ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/collection
[17:20] <popey> add-apt-repository -y ppa:ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/daily
[17:20] <popey> apt-get install --yes touch-collection touch-coreapps
[17:21] <pmcgowan> popey, my run command is not enabled in qtcreator, I seem to recall this before
[17:22] <sergiusens> popey: core_apps should be in the sources list
[17:22] <ogra_> yeah
[17:22] <popey> sergiusens: sure, but we've only approved some of them to be installed by default
[17:22] <popey> the "four C's"
[17:22] <popey> be nice for people to be able to test the others like file manager, rss reader etc
[17:23] <sergiusens> popey: yeah, but the sources list is already in, so no need to add-apt-repository
[17:23] <popey> pmcgowan: the green triangle button or the CTRL+F12 button?
[17:23] <popey> oh, okay, sorry
[17:23] <pmcgowan> run local
[17:23] <sergiusens> popey: we can certainly add the collections one
[17:23] <popey> pmcgowan: i haven't seen that for a while
[17:23] <pmcgowan> was working the other day
[17:23] <pmcgowan> foo
[17:24] <pmcgowan> qtc keeps crashing as well
[17:24] <pmcgowan> bah
[17:24] <popey> hmm
[17:24] <popey> actually
[17:24] <popey> i have a bunch of orphaned qtc windows
[17:25] <popey> its definitiely unwell
[17:26] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: latest phablet tools with bumped version is in ppa
[17:27] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, ack
[17:27] <pmcgowan> popey, are you running from the PPA or raring
[17:27] <sergiusens> ogra_: other weekend task is to upgrade to saucy on the chromebook :-)
[17:27] <pmcgowan> qtc
[17:30] <pmcgowan> thats odd
[17:32]  * jackcy75 greets
[17:35] <jackcy75> i got ubuntu touch developer preview running on a galaxy s3 i9300. then i wanted to test more current images. the cdimages from raring and saucy seem to install fine. but i get no output on the screen. do i have to change something on the xda developers image (ubuntu-for-i9300.zip)?
[17:37] <ogra_> sergiusens, uuuh, brave
[17:37] <sergiusens> ogra_: :-)
[17:37] <sergiusens> jackcy75: did you build yourself?
[17:38] <jackcy75> no, it was accomplished by an xda developer krassewelt: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=38455532
[17:38] <jackcy75> based on one of the cm10.1 nighties (which work fine)
[17:39] <popey> pmcgowan: qtcreator  2.7.0-0ubuntu4~raring1~test5
[17:39] <ogra_> well, if there are changes in ubuntu it needs to be rebuild
[17:39] <kenvandine> sergiusens, sure
[17:39] <popey> (from the ppa)
[17:39] <pmcgowan> popey, hmm not seeing that
[17:39] <popey> from the ubuntu-sdk-team ppa
[17:39] <ogra_> jackcy75, ask him to do a fresh build (and he should do that regulary actually)
[17:40] <sergiusens> jackcy75: well, you probably need a new hybris and platform api if it is too old... do you know if patches exist, were made avail?
[17:41] <kenvandine> sergiusens, done
[17:41] <jackcy75> he has not officially submitted his work. but i could ask him to do so and/or allow me to continue his work.
[17:46] <sergiusens> kenvandine: thanks, one more random question, can a daily build be triggered for lp:qtubuntu-sensors ?
[17:46] <kenvandine> sure
[17:46] <sergiusens> jackcy75: well, you would probably need to rebuild
[17:47] <sergiusens> kenvandine: thanks!
[17:47] <jackcy75> ok. i think i can figure that out *G*
[17:49] <jackcy75> thank you
[18:02] <moocow1452> Anybody home?
[18:03] <popey> moocow1452: sure
[18:03] <moocow1452> I've been building for Nook, and finally got something that isn't a black screen.
[18:04] <popey> nice!
[18:04] <popey> is it a white screen? ㋛
[18:04] <moocow1452> Had to use the MWC build, touch screen doesn't work, and the rotation is 90 degrees off but pretty picture.
[18:08] <kenvandine> sergiusens, qtubuntu-sensors built
[18:08] <sergiusens> kenvandine: thanks
[18:09] <kenvandine> np
[18:10] <kenvandine> snwh, thanks for the icon, it looks great!
[18:13] <snwh> kenvandine, no problem :)
[18:40] <ZDmitry> popey: can You help me with some question on Core Apps PPA, or should I wait for mhall119?
[18:42] <moocow1452> So, now that I got it displaying, anything I should do to fix the rotation issue and touch screen?
[18:47] <ZDmitry> I just leave what I want... popey, mhall119|away: Can someone add job for building latest konsole-qml-plugin to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/+archive/daily? Two days past after landing last revision, but still we have old packgage. Thanks.
[18:52] <jackcy75> I'm sorry to bother you again. In setting up the build environment for I9300, the command breakfast cannot be found anywhere. Is there a package that I am missing? 13.04 amd64.
[18:53] <popey> ZDmitry: hey
[18:53] <moocow1452> jackcy did you . build/envsetup.sh?
[18:53] <popey> fginther: can you help ZDmitry with autolanding konsole-qml-plugin?
[18:54] <jackcy75> yes, but before i had to chmod +x the envsetup.sh because it was not executable.
[18:55] <moocow1452> jackcy75, make sure you run it from the build folder everytime you start working with a new terminal.
[18:57] <jackcy75> moocow1452, do i have to run it as root?
[18:57] <moocow1452> Shouldn't have to. Wouldn't hurt though.
[18:58] <jackcy75> hm  still no luck.
[18:58] <moocow1452> It's not a permant command, so when you open a new terminal, it loses the breakfast command until you rerun . build/envsetup.sh
[19:02] <moocow1452> jackcy75, can you used brunch?
[19:05] <jackcy75> I try to resync the build env with "phablet-dev-bootstrap -c I9300", launchpad-id activated, then changed to "cd I9300", ran "./build/envsetup.sh". It included a few *.sh.  but still no luck: breakfast I9300
[19:05] <jackcy75> breakfast: Befehl nicht gefunden.
[19:06] <jackcy75> nope, no brunch available
[19:07] <nik90> .n
[19:19] <sergiusens> epa
[19:20] <sergiusens> oops
[19:46] <moocow1452> jackcy, you included the space right it's . build/envsetup.sh verbatim.
[19:54] <fginther> popey, ZDmitry, looking
[19:55] <ZDmitry> fginther:  Can You add job for building latest konsole-qml-plugin to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/+archive/daily?
[19:56] <popey> thanks fginther
[20:00] <fginther> ZDmitry, the server that runs the jobs is currently down.


[06:23] <mitya57> Can anybody please check why Launchpad didn't pick up xpdf 3.03-16+experimental1 in Debian experimental?
[06:23] <mitya57> It was uploaded 2 days ago, but I still can't sync it.
[09:43] <Guest44405> Hi, I need some help with the launchpadlib api: http://pastebin.com/cwTYysi9
[09:44] <Guest44405> I am missing binaryFileUrls() ... am I using a wrong version of launchpadlib?
[09:45] <Guest44405> (I want to download a package that has been superseded)
[09:52] <cjwatson> Guest44405: you need to use the devel API version
[09:53] <cjwatson> version='devel' to Launchpad.login_anonymousely
[09:53] <cjwatson> -e
[09:53] <Guest44405> I see, I'll try that
[09:57] <Guest44405> packages[1].binaryFileUrls()
[09:58] <Guest44405> []
[09:59] <Guest44405> so that works, but returns an empty list - maybe I need to provide some aruments ... the apidoc mentions ws.op. what is that supposed to mean?
[10:00] <geser> shouldn't binaryFileUrl on the source_package_publication_history object also work? or does it return something different (it exists in both versions of the API)
[10:01] <geser> Guest44405: you don't need to care about ws.op, launchpadlib takes care of that
[10:02] <Guest44405> geser: ok. I need binaries, not sources. how do I get the actual url for the package in question?
[10:15] <geser> Guest44405: packages = archive.getPublishedSources(source_name='grub2', version='1.99-21ubuntu3.10', pocket='Updates') and then packages[0].binaryFileUrls()
[10:15] <geser> you need to filter the .deb from that list that you are interested in
[10:16] <geser> I guess getPublishedBinary() doesn't return the expected list as the package isn't published anymore (but superseded)
[10:17] <Guest44405> I can get the package via the web interface, so it should be accessible somehow.
[10:19] <geser> yes, the source_package_publishing_history has all the .debs listed in binaryFileUrls()
[10:23] <Guest44405> Ok, that seems to work. Do I understand correctly: in order to get a superseded binary file, I can get the download link via the getPublishedSources? (a bit counter intuitive for me)
[10:25] <Guest44405> if I know I want grub-common, I will have to search for sources of grub2. How do I know which source package I should query, in order to get the url for the actual binary?
[17:10] <jose> hey guys, anyone has time to look at #42155?
[17:10] <jose> (that's on the feedback system)
[17:15] <czajkowski> jose: they're on sprint this week could be slow to reply
[17:15] <jose> czajkowski: oh, ack then
[19:55] <dobey> anyone around? the branch scanner seems to be borked. :(
[20:31] <zyga> hi
[20:31] <roadmr> zyga: hello
[20:31] <zyga> launchpad is not generating any diffs for a while for our project
[20:32] <zyga> is it broken or just very *very* busy?
[20:32] <beuno> zyga, in maintance
[20:32] <beuno> will be back soon
[20:32] <roadmr> beuno: oh so we don't need to fear for launchpad's health :D
[20:33]  * beuno doesn't have any further comments
[20:34] <roadmr> beuno: it's ok, we can wait. thanks!
[20:34] <jtaylor> is there a way to work around this recipe issue: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/163708425/buildlog.txt.gz
[20:35] <jtaylor> utf-8 filename added to the source recently which seemd to have caused this
[22:53] <reed> hi evgeny
[22:54] <evgeny> reed: hello
[22:55] <evgeny> wgrant, StevenK: may I ask a question about the launchpadlib and the api.staging.launchpad.net?
[22:56] <reed> evgeny, they may not be around, timezone diffferences :)
[22:57] <evgeny> reed: in what time zone are they?
[22:57] <reed> not sure, but maybe other people here can answer or they read the logs when they wake up
[23:04] <wgrant> evgeny: staging's down at the moment for a DB updagte, but what's the issue?
[23:04] <wgrant> It should be back in a day or so; you ca nuse qastaging.launchpad.net in the meantime.
[23:05] <evgeny> wgrant: we're trying to import launchpad answers into ask.openstack.org
[23:05] <evgeny> wgrant: so we should just wait?
[23:06] <evgeny> ok
[23:06] <reed> why would we want to use staging as opposed to production?
[23:06] <evgeny> wgrant, reed: in production I'm getting AttributeError: https://api.launchpad.net/1.0/nova object has no attribute 'searchQuestions'
[23:07] <reed> evgeny, nice, I didn't know that... different codebase between staging and production?
[23:07] <evgeny> trying qastaging
[23:08] <wgrant> evgeny: The seachQuestions method isn't in the 1.0 API
[23:08] <wgrant> You need to use version='devel'
[23:08] <wgrant> And this hotel wireless is dreadful, forgive typos
[23:08] <wgrant> 1.5s latency ftw.
[23:09] <evgeny> I have the same issue with qastaging - no method available, trying devel
[23:09] <wgrant> Sure, the API versions are currently identical across all LP instances.
[23:09] <cjwatson> wgrant: Have you noticed the special local network configuration yet?
[23:10] <wgrant> cjwatson: 192/8?
[23:10] <wgrant> Yeah
[23:10] <evgeny> wgrant: "devel" does not work at all
[23:10] <cjwatson> Yep
[23:10] <wgrant> It's pretty amusing
[23:10] <wgrant> evgeny: How are you trying to use it?
[23:10] <evgeny> wgrant: ValueError: devel is not a valid URL or an alias for any Launchpad server
[23:10] <evgeny> launchpad = Launchpad.login_with(         'Extract Answers',         'devel',         credential_save_failed=no_credential )
[23:11] <wgrant> evgeny: Launchpad.login_with('some consumer', 'production', version='devel')
[23:11] <wgrant> I think that is right
[23:11] <wgrant> But I cannot see what I am typing for like 10 seconds
[23:11] <wgrant> so we'll see...
[23:11] <wgrant> yes, what I said is corret
[23:11] <wgrant> devel is an API version, not an instance
[23:13] <evgeny> wgrant, reed: working now, thanks!
[23:13] <reed> evgeny, auth is working and no issue with seachQuestions?
[23:14] <evgeny> reed: downloading the data now
[23:14] <evgeny> works fine
[23:14]  * reed is happy
[23:14] <reed> thanks wgrant
[23:14] <evgeny> yes, thanks!
[23:18] <wgrant> Great
[23:59] <jtaylor> ok I'll file a bug then: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1273487


 Any spawn she may have will soil this Earth with the stench of Hell from which she came.   We'd like to keep this channel family-friendly.
[05:40] <kbana> alright
[05:40] <DarthFrog> Thanks!
[05:41] <kbana> i am indeed family-friendly. sry for this DarthFrog.
[05:42] <DarthFrog> Your co-operation is greatly appreciated and you will be a welcome participant here.
[05:42] <kbana> thank u
[05:50] <Kalidarn> i'm going to tell my mommy you used a bad word
[05:50]  * Kalidarn is 7 years old
[09:03] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[09:28] <kbana> good morning
[09:28] <kbana> like opera so much
[09:29] <kbana> rekonq is not a straight competitor yet, ocv
[10:04] <lordievader> Good morning :)
[10:23] <kbana> gm lordievader
[10:24] <lordievader> Hey kbana, how are you?
[10:40] <kbana> i'm fine thx, and u?
[10:41] <kbana> can i just erase the folder .skynet on /mnt/sdcard? i think so.
[10:42] <kbana> spare thing/folder
[10:42] <lordievader> kbana: I'm doing fine :). If you are unsure about deleting, renaming is a good alternative.
[10:42] <kbana> bye bye skynet
[10:43] <kbana> erased and i would like to dd or do something more on this thing
[10:44] <kbana> everything's fine, no probs. android's running at least as good as before :)
[10:56] <antonio_> hola
[11:07] <kbana> what will y'all eat for lunch/diner/supper?
[11:07] <onebitxajax> hi to all
[11:07] <kbana> *lunch/dinner/supper, maybe breakfast
[11:07] <kbana> hi
[11:07] <onebitxajax> i have problem with kde
[11:07] <onebitxajax> kate: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkateinterfaces.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN11KActivities16ResourceInstanceC1EmP7QObject
[11:08] <onebitxajax> can someone help me?
[11:11] <cojack> yo
[11:11] <cojack> do some one use c9.io?
[11:16] <onebitxajax> is good to make
[11:16] <onebitxajax> sudo apt-get install --resinstall kubuntu-desktop?
[11:18] <lordievader> onebitxajax: If it is just about kate, I'd reinstall kate. Kubuntu-desktop is just a meta-package.
[11:21] <ular-naga_> PLEASE CAN ANYONE HELP ME SOLVE THIS ISSUE. How to edit my windows title bar to the middle...
[11:21] <ular-naga_> E.G.  http://cinnamon-spices.linuxmint.com/uploads/themes/D71B-J08C-JPUU.png
[11:22] <onebitxajax> lordievader: i have a lot of craches
[11:22] <lordievader> onebitxajax: What kind of crashes?
[11:23] <onebitxajax> lordievader: for example konsole, or dolphin. i can't lock the screen
[11:23] <onebitxajax> i have kubuntu 12.04
[11:25] <Torch> onebitxajax: did you install seveal versions of kde alongside? for example one built from sources and the other from packages?
[11:25] <onebitxajax> Torch: i used ppa
[11:26] <lordievader> What ppa, onebitxajax?
[11:26] <onebitxajax> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu
[11:27] <onebitxajax> lordievader: Torch isn't good ppa?.
[11:27] <ular-naga_> PLEASE CAN ANYONE HELP ME SOLVE THIS ISSUE. How to edit my windows title bar to the middle...
[11:27] <ular-naga_> E.G. http://cinnamon-spices.linuxmint.com/uploads/themes/D71B-J08C-JPUU.png
[11:27] <lordievader> !patience | ular-naga_
[11:28] <Torch> onebitxajax: i don't think the ppa is the problem
[11:29] <lordievader> ular-naga_: With the title bar you mean where it says kate, dolphin or gedit, right?
[11:30] <onebitxajax> Torch: what i must do?
[11:30] <ular-naga_> Home
[11:30] <Torch> onebitxajax: i'd tell you if i knew ;-)
[11:30] <ular-naga_> like edit my windows title bar
[11:31] <ular-naga_> to the middle.. mine is at the left so I want to edit it to the middle like in the picture
[11:31] <lordievader> ular-naga_: Yes, ok. What version of Kubuntu are you running?
[11:32] <Torch> ular-naga_: system settings -> window decorations -> configure decoration -> title alignment ?
[11:32] <lordievader> ular-naga_: That is odd, the default setting is to the middle. (on 12.10/13.04 at least)
[11:32] <ular-naga_> I change my theme to mac osx
[11:34] <lordievader> ular-naga_: Ok, like Torch said: system settings -> Workspace Appearance -> Configure Decoration
[11:43] <lordievader> ular-naga_: By the by, I have a feeling that it is Cinnamon you are looking at in the link you gave us.
[11:44] <ular-naga_> cause I'm using linuxmint.. yeah I gradually partintioned my ubuntu but it the default theme in my newly installed home PC is giving me a heck of work knowing the workaround for the linuxmint titlebar editing
[11:54] <ular-naga_> brb
[11:58] <Nik21> Hey people!
[12:00] <lordievader> Hey Nik21, how are you?
[12:00] <Nik21> great! you!
[12:00] <Nik21> ?*
[12:00] <kaddi> hi guys. I need a program that shows me the size of each folder, preferably in a pie chart. I know there's such a thing in kubuntu and I know I have it installed, but for the life of me I can't remember the name. Do you by chance know it?
[12:01] <lordievader> Nik21: Doing good too.
[12:01] <Nik21> kaddi I wish i did, but sorry
[12:01] <lordievader> kaddi: I don't know any kde/kubuntu one, Ubuntu had one like that, and ofcourse there is du :D
[12:02] <kaddi> lordievader: i was looking for something with a GUI, tbh :p
[12:02] <kaddi> how's the ubuntu one called? might help me have more success in searching
[12:02] <lordievader> kaddi: Baobab.
[12:03] <kaddi> filelight
[12:03] <gorgonizer> kaddi: have you tried Filelight?
[12:03] <kaddi> lol
[12:03] <kaddi> "kde baobab' = problem solved
[12:03] <kaddi> yeah, that's the one i have installed, just couldn't remember the name >.>
[12:05] <Nik21> Hey, I have one question too, I'd like to know how to make a link to a program (that wasn't installed with the packages manager) in the favorites of Kmenu, any one could help please?
[12:06] <lordievader> Nik21: Rightclick the kicker -> Edit Applications --> New Item
[12:07] <scherenhaenden> hello... i cant play sound when im using skype....
[12:08] <Nik21> great!! thank you! truth is I saw it, but thought it was for adding a category! anyway than you very much!
[12:08] <lordievader> Nik21: That is the "New Submenu" button ;)
[12:09] <Nik21> oh course -_-
[12:11] <Nik21> I am completely new to KDE andunbuntu, i started 1 week ago! but i find it great!
[12:11] <lordievader> Nik21: :D
[12:11] <invariant> Is there any bug number for the problem where switching users in Kubuntu doesn't work?
[12:39] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:39] <Nik21> Hey!
[12:43] <ovidiu-florin> hello world
[12:44] <lordievader> Hey ovidiu-florin
[12:46] <ovidiu-florin> has anybody tried shugarCRM?
[12:46] <ovidiu-florin> sugarCRM, sorry
[12:48] <Tm_T> ovidiu-florin: hi, kubuntu support channel is most likely not the best place to ask about sugarCRM (:
[12:48] <ovidiu-florin> it's recommended on the ubuntu forum, that's why I'm asking here
[12:48] <Tm_T> what is recommended?
[12:49] <ovidiu-florin> sugarCRM
[12:50] <Tm_T> right, still this is more of a Kubuntu support channel (see topic)
[12:50] <ovidiu-florin> yeah.. sorry
[12:51] <Tm_T> no harm done, I'm trying to figure out what would be better channel
[12:51] <Tm_T> perhaps one of those discussion channels (#kubuntu-offtopic etc)
[12:51] <ovidiu-florin> I'm just searching fo ra CRM that would run on a ubuntu server
[12:51] <Tm_T> any crm
[12:52] <ovidiu-florin> a free and open source one that's reliable
[13:12] <mr0wl> i'm having strange issues with kmix
[13:12] <mr0wl> it sometimes launches at start up
[13:12] <mr0wl> and it takes longer than the rest of the applications
[13:13] <mr0wl> then other times it doesn't launch at all
[13:15] <BluesKaj> mr0wl, but is your audio working ok ?
[13:15] <mr0wl> BluesKaj: yes
[13:16] <mr0wl> i'm also in a brand new ~/.kde ~/.kderc
[13:16] <BluesKaj> mr0wl, have you updated to kde 4.10 ?
[13:18] <BluesKaj> ~/.kderc just contains the fonts , don't see any icons there
[13:18] <mr0wl> BluesKaj: yes, updated through backports PPA
[13:19] <BluesKaj> mr0wl, and have you updated/upgraded and dist-upgraded since?
[13:19] <mr0wl> BluesKaj: yes
[13:20] <mr0wl> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:20] <BluesKaj> yup
[13:21] <mr0wl> if i launch kmix for cli i get this message: "QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave."
[13:21] <BluesKaj> and rebooted? ..it's becoming necessary more often now
[13:22] <mr0wl> BluesKaj: yp
[13:22] <mr0wl> yup*
[13:23] <BluesKaj> 12.10 ?
[13:23] <mr0wl> BluesKaj: only way to fix it is "killall kmix && kmix"
[13:23] <mr0wl> yeah
[13:24] <mr0wl> BluesKaj: i guess it's a bug they're still working on: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/959151
[13:25] <BluesKaj> ok one last thing , mr0wl , check the system tray settings>entries>volume control, change it to "always"visible"
[13:26] <mr0wl> BluesKaj: i always set it to that
[13:26] <mr0wl> the issue still persists
[13:27] <BluesKaj> then I'm stumped , but I guess it's more importasnt that your audio works ok . Do you have volume controls on your KB?
[13:28] <mr0wl> BluesKaj: yes, i do
[13:28] <mr0wl> thanks
[13:28] <BluesKaj> do they work ?
[13:28] <mr0wl> i guess i could setup a temporary script to kill kmix and start it again
[13:28] <mr0wl> yup, the keyboard volume controls work fine without kmix launched
[13:29] <invariant> Does anybody else also have user switching issues?
[13:29] <invariant> Someone said it was a known issue, but I cannot find anything saying that it is known in any formal place.
[13:30] <BluesKaj> well, until a fix is set for kmix in the panel , then I guess that's your best solution for vol ctrl
[13:30] <mr0wl> thanks for your help
[13:31] <BluesKaj> ok
[13:31] <invariant> I thought the idea of a community was that if I helped someone that someone else would help me.
[13:33] <kaddi> well, that'll only work if someone else knows the solution to your problem
[13:34] <invariant> Which display manager are you using?
[13:35] <invariant> I expect that everyone on Kubuntu  + kdm which ever switches user must have this problem.
[13:37] <Catbuntu> Hi
[13:38] <BluesKaj> kaddi, it's a well known problem and it's fix is low priority , unfortunately , but obviously it's also a minor annoyance.
[13:38] <kaddi> i only have one user account
[13:39] <kaddi> in answer as to why I don't experience this problem
[13:39] <kaddi> skype's been broken for me for 2 years now. Bug report's been populated by other people experiencing the same issue, but nobody fixes it
[13:40] <kaddi> i don't have the knowledge, so I live with it and switch to windows whenever i want to use skype
[13:41] <BluesKaj> kaddi, have you tried the static version ?
[13:41] <invariant> kaddi, skype does work.
[13:42] <kaddi> yeah, it's a problem with a library in ubuntu that crasehs
[13:42] <kaddi> whenever i launch it, it crashes instantly with: Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-open.c: 667: _dl_open: Assertion `_dl_debug_initialize (0, args.nsid)->r_state == RT_CONSISTENT' failed!
[13:43] <kaddi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc/+bug/999957 bugreport is here
[13:43] <marcio> I have problems with kubuntu wallpaper
[13:43] <marcio> i modify but dont haven
[13:44] <BluesKaj> kaddi, skype was bought out by MS , so i suspect any linux support for it has been dropped
[13:44] <darthanubis> marcio: are you using the weather wallpaper? I can't get that working.
[13:44] <kaddi> this has been an issue for far longer than MS owned skype
[13:45] <marcio> i use images jpegs from my pc...
[13:45] <BluesKaj> I had the static version working ok a couple of yrs ago , but i haven't bothered with it since on kubuntu
[13:46] <kaddi> and as it's still in the multimedia (?) repositories, I don't think it's the general support that's an issue. This is a bug in ubuntu, but it's only affecting few people. It's not skype that's crashing it's eglibc, which is an ubuntu library. It's also not just skype that's affected. (Other people see it with firefox or x3, etc.. ) If I knew what config is causing the problem, I'd happily change it.
[13:46] <marcio> so... i try change in alls mesas, so the wallpaper return default
[13:48] <BluesKaj> marcio, I foiund that one has to take a 5 second pause after applying the wallpaper change in default desktop settings , for it to stick
[13:49] <marcio> yeas! tanks ! I try this it...
[13:50] <marcio> maybe this is it.... i dont wait one time...
[13:53] <marcio> other question
[13:53] <BluesKaj> marcio, if that doesn't work , leave the settings window open a choose the file again, and apply , thn wait for 5 sewcs before closing it
[13:53] <marcio> the version 13 of ubunt is good?
[13:54] <BluesKaj> it's quite stable , I'm running 13.04 , with only one glitch so far
[13:55] <marcio> ow i'm make in the exactly moment..
[13:55] <marcio> i'm testing now
[13:55] <marcio> hihiiih
[13:56] <smartboyhw> BluesKaj, what glitch?
[13:56] <marcio> and... the new version Ubuntu 13 is good or no?
[13:57] <marcio> i'm new user of Ubuntu, but i Like it...
[13:57] <marcio> or better kubuntu
[13:58] <BluesKaj> smartboyhw, the user management freezes with orphaned modules error
[13:58] <smartboyhw> BluesKaj, eh
[13:59] <lordievader> marcio: 13.04 is quite stable, have only seen one minor bug.
[14:00] <BluesKaj> system settings>user management KCM modules are trying to call userconfig/userconfig.py , but the file doesn't exist , smartboyhw
[14:00] <smartboyhw> Ok
[14:00] <BluesKaj> it's a bug in launchpad already
[14:02] <marcio> I use now Kubuntu quantal quetzal
[14:02] <marcio> is good...i like it
[14:03] <BluesKaj> marcio, yes , best to stick with 12.10 Quantal if you a re new Kubuntu user
[14:03] <invariant> What difference is there between the latest version and precise if you use kubuntu-updates?
[14:03] <marcio> but i'm curious in experiment it
[14:03] <invariant> Newer kernel?
[14:03] <invariant> Perhaps some newer software for things other than KDE software.
[14:04] <marcio> sure
[14:04] <BluesKaj> you can make a separate partition for it or try it in  VM
[14:04] <BluesKaj> I have 12.10 and 13.04 on separate partitions
[14:05] <marcio> and... it Kubuntu (kde) is for mi so best, that i'm begining develop in qt c++
[14:06] <marcio> before i programing in C++ for windows, but I dint like so...
[14:06] <marcio> Linux is other World
[14:07] <marcio> I learn each day, new things
[14:08] <marcio> new somethings
[14:08] <marcio> hehehe
[14:08] <marcio> lordievader
[14:09] <marcio> Its no problem I update my kubuntu for version 13.04?
[14:09] <lordievader> Yes, marcio?
[14:10] <lordievader> marcio: I have 13.04 installed on my old laptop. If you really depend on the machine I would stick with the LTS release or 12.10.
[14:11] <BluesKaj> BBL
[14:12] <marcio> lordievader:my machine is a intel pentium  2.3, 2 gb RAM, so too the old machine
[14:13] <lordievader> marcio: Are you sure it is a pentium 2 or 3? The combination of cpu + ram seems unlikely.
[14:14] <marcio> lordievader: I sorry for my english  is bad
[14:15] <lordievader> marcio: Could it be a dual-core Pentium running at 3Ghz?
[14:15] <james147> lordievader: he probably means a 2.3GHz Pentium
[14:15] <lordievader> Ah, yes could be too.
[14:17] <marcio> lordievader i go confer my configuration, but i have 2 notebooks
[14:18] <marcio> never know, i confunsion
[14:21] <lordievader> marcio: I'm sorry. All I'm trying to say, an unreleased version of (K)Ubuntu is more likely to crash than a released version. If you are okay with that you are free to install 13.04, if you do be sure to report bugs if you find them!
[14:23] <marcio> lordievader: my note is model pentium core 2 duo 2.16 ghz, 2 gb ram, hd 360 gb
[14:24] <marcio> lordievader:sure... i go install or update 13.04..
[14:26] <james147> marcio: I would not recomend 13.04 for a production machine, if you need to do work or anything on it I recommend sticking with a released version.
[14:26] <james147> marcio: If you would like to try it I recommend installing it in a dual boot or a virtual machine.
[14:49] <marcio> james147 :ow sure, you have reason, its a good idea, i will install in virtual machine for testing..
[14:51] <marcio> james147: wath virtual machine you remend to i will use for installation
[14:51] <marcio> ?
[14:51] <marcio> virtualbox?
[14:51] <james147> marcio: yeah
[14:55] <marcio> james147:the kubuntu 13.04 is a Beta version?
[14:56] <lordievader> marcio: Nope, it is still in Alpha stage.
[14:57] <marcio> hummmmmm!
[14:58] <marcio> so... now get to testing and a bugs view and information
[14:58] <marcio> their
[15:00] <marcio> i m hunger...i go to launche
[15:01] <marcio> good bye for all
[15:02] <marcio> especially to lordievader and james147, for help me so best
[15:02] <lordievader> marcio: No problem ;)
[15:03] <marcio> tank guys
[15:04] <marcio> *thank guys
[15:04] <marcio> tchau
[15:22] <munny> hi all!
[15:23] <munny> my nepomuk indexer crash in new kde 4.10 in kubuntu 12.04... anyone can help me?
[17:03] <kbana> c ya
[18:19] <Zorrot> is anyone seeing a snow / pixellation effect in flash player in chrome
[18:20] <Zorrot> side by side, chromium will play a given video clearly, but chrome will show "snow" over the same...
[18:24] <yufupop> I recently did a fresh install of a computer on my local network, and now I can't use sftp:// to connect to it from Dolphin. It says the given key already exists, but I already deleted the entire known_hosts file (temporarily)
[18:25] <Zorrot> yufupop: i've been having the same problem
[18:26] <Zorrot> yufupop: i've not tried it myself :-) however, something you could do experimentally is go into ~/.ssh and temporarily rename known_hosts to know_hosts.bak and see if it connects.
[18:26] <Zorrot> the problem is more than likely with kio than with ssh, though
[18:27] <yufupop> Zorrot: thats exactly what i did! I think I will remove all the files from that folder (to another folder) and restart my system, incase Dolphin or what ever is still reading from the bak files
[18:27] <Zorrot> i doubt that
[18:27] <Zorrot> stringi and kio, i'd think, are the primary suspects
[18:27] <Zorrot> can you perform a command line ssh connection to the same server
[18:27] <Zorrot> ?
[18:28] <Zorrot> if you can, then the problem is not with the known_hosts file
[18:28] <yufupop> Yes, I can ssh via command line just perfectly, but from dolphin I can not (sftp://
[18:28] <Zorrot> then you're having the same problem i am
[18:28] <yufupop> I saw this bug post, but I can't see any work arounds https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=284867
[18:28] <Walzmyn> james147: you around?
[18:29] <james147> Walzmyn: yeah
[18:29] <Walzmyn> james147: I fixed my problem
[18:29] <Zorrot> yufupop: did any keys change?
[18:29] <yufupop> yes, I reinstalled ubuntu 12.04 server on a system on my local network
[18:29] <james147> Walzmyn: how so?
[18:30] <Walzmyn> james147: system settings >> Desktop Effetcs >> Advanced - I unchecked "Use VSync" and it all went  away. I re-checked it and it stayed away
[18:30] <Zorrot> yufupop: see http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=93475
[18:32] <Zorrot> oh, the other fun problem if anyone has any insight: right clicking a file in dolphin and selecting move to trash crashes everything -- dolphin, plasma desktop, your mother, etc.
[18:33] <yufupop> Zorrot: is that on a remote filesystem, or any other type of media? I was just able to move a file in my home folder to trash
[18:34] <Zorrot> for me, its anything at all
[18:34] <Zorrot> ~/foo.txt will bring it down.
[18:35] <Zorrot> presently i can't mount a remote filesystem without the error you're also seeing
[18:37] <yufupop> Zorrot: I guess you could try that KDebug thing they kept on mentioning. My guess would be the location of the "trash" folder is messed up? (bad permissions, donesn't exist)
[20:40] <zero_> whats going on ?
[21:13] <Katbuntu> H
[21:26] <Walzmyn> When I boot up my login dialog is on my second monitor - how can I get it on the primary (or both)?
[21:57] <mandoguit> on this box,kde 4.10, raring ringtail release, if I move my mouse the logon screen will automatically switch over to the other monitor
[21:58] <mandoguit> Walzmyn:   ^^
[22:08] <youngbradley26> hello
[22:09] <youngbradley26> I am looking for some help with Amazon video Flash and mounting issue with iPhone4
[22:11] <youngbradley26> am     i in the right room?
[22:21] <Katbuntu> Hi
[22:32] <ramiro> hi (hola)!
[23:27] <juliohm> Hi, are you experiencing chromium lags on startup?
[23:28] <Obsidian1723> nope
[23:30] <juliohm> I don't know why, maybe something related to the shortcut i have created? i used /usr/bin/chromium-browser the full path
[23:30] <mandoguit> lol   i wasn't but just tried it and it barfed!   tried loading and then disappeared
[23:30] <juliohm> but sometimes it lags to startup
[23:30] <juliohm> mandoguit, exactly
[23:32] <mandoguit> finally came up and I shut it down and started it again...this time it came up right away.   going to log off and see what it does when I log back on
[23:34] <mandoguit> coming up right away now.... did some updates earlier today so that may be the cause
[23:35] <mandoguit> yep...no problems with it now
[23:37] <juliohm> mandoguit, it's not all the time, it'll happen again
[23:38] <juliohm> must be something related to processes in the background
[23:38] <juliohm> i think chromium has some processes running after we close it
[23:38] <juliohm> and in the next startup it lags sometimes or conflicts with something else
[23:39] <james147> juliohm: I would suggest clearing out the cache ~/.cache/chromium or re-settings the chromium profile to its defaults in ~/.config/chromium
[23:39] <mandoguit> hmmm.....will have to keep an eye out then as this is the first time it's happened to me.
[23:40] <mandoguit> and also check plugins etc
[23:46] <JuJuBee> There should be a simple way to set limits on cache with chrome/chromium
[23:50] <juliohm> james147, mandoguit thanks
[23:51] <juliohm> maybe the plugins i'm using, but it's hard to believe
[23:52] <mandoguit> juliohm:  yw.    fwiw, not a big fan of chrom(ium)   much prefer firefox. :P


[01:48] <mup> PR snapcraft#2836 opened: meta: fix command-chain handling when Application adapter == "none" <Created by cjp256> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2836>
[03:51] <mup> PR snapcraft#2837 opened: remote-build: gpg-signing and usability fixes <Created by cjp256> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2837>
[10:19] <sdhd-sascha> oh, building snapd on travis: "The job exceeded the maximum log length, and has been terminated."
[13:43] <mup> PR snapd#7865 opened: travis-ci: add go import path <Created by sd-hd> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7865>
[13:57] <mup> PR snapd#7866 opened: travis-ci: split integration tests into parts (>4MB log limit) <Created by sd-hd> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7866>
[22:15] <mup> PR snapd#7867 opened: tests: allow dashes in fwupd version <Created by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7867>


[00:50] <blr> huh found a bug
[00:51] <wgrant> blr: In what?
[00:51] <blr> _validateImportExternal, validate_import_url was only called with one argument
[00:52] <wgrant> The tests didn't catch that?
[00:52] <blr> not until now apparently...
[00:52] <blr> just fixing up all the doctests I've broken with +setbranch -> +configure-code
[00:52] <wgrant> There may indeed be a few.
[04:57] <blr> cjwatson: the str(line) was needed as line is a Context/RemoveLine
[05:20] <blr> cjwatson: have a working failing test, you were correct, thanks
[05:20] <blr> "working failing test" ...
[05:31] <wgrant> blr: Beware that there are in fact more test failures than buildbot reports. Search for "failure:" in the run's stdio to find them all.
[05:31] <wgrant> blr: The subunit stream has been corrupted.
[05:31] <blr> ah some unittests too, thanks
[05:33] <blr> hmm, any idea what's going on with the product-registry doctest?
[05:33] <wgrant> Which?
[05:33] <blr> xx-project-registry.txt, the "..." matcher doesn't appear to be matching "api.luanchpad.dev/beta"
[05:34] <wgrant> Oh, you put too much faith in doctests.
[05:34] <wgrant> All ... will show as mismatches in the difference output.
[05:34] <wgrant> You need to ignore them and find the real different; in this case that inferred_vcs was added.
[05:35] <blr> ah of course, thanks
[05:53] <blr> wgrant: should I be concerned that we're bumping query limits?
[05:54] <blr> fairly rhetorical question.. but something I should think about?
[05:54] <wgrant> blr: I'm not sure why it would be doing that there. Is something invoking inferred_vcs, perhaps? Should it be?
[05:55] <blr> wgrant: slightly confused that it blew up on blueprints
[05:56] <blr> also, what an excellent idea, wasn't aware of these tests.
[05:57] <blr> have fixed everything, will --testfix after dinner
[07:44] <blr> wgrant: could you have a look over this please when convenient https://code.launchpad.net/~blr/launchpad/ui-project-setbranch/+merge/262942
[07:48] <wgrant> blr: Did you work out what the extra queries were?
[07:48] <wgrant> Oh, it'll be inferred_vcs in the embedded JSON representation, of course.
[07:48] <wgrant> blr: r=me, thanks.
[07:53] <blr> yep
[07:53] <blr> thanks
[08:44] <blr> missed one -_-
[08:59] <blr> wgrant: will just top-approve this one, hope that's okay (small fix)
[09:02] <wgrant> blr: Yep, trivial testfixes are fine to self-approve unless they're stupid :)
[09:18] <cjwatson> wgrant: Hm, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libmoox-cmd-perl/0.013-2/+build/7541385 should have been a dep-wait, surely?
[09:20] <cjwatson> wgrant: Oh, no, never mind, that's uninstallability more than one level deep
[09:22] <cjwatson> wgrant: This is maybe a little unfortunate, because I think it really is just that one.  Probably an sbuild bug in that it should be using "apt-get build-dep".
[09:23] <cjwatson> Yeah, everything's fine in that build-dependency set apart from the version restriction
[09:27] <cjwatson> Tempting to do http://paste.ubuntu.com/11772424/
[09:56] <wgrant> cjwatson: Will that reliably cope with alternatives?
[09:56] <wgrant> There are some complexities there.
[09:58] <cjwatson> build-dep should in general cope better than install.  The only reason I didn't do it in the first place in that code was that I was being conservative when fixing up cross handling.
[09:58] <cjwatson> But it certainly makes sense to check that.
[09:58] <cjwatson> Hm, it's perhaps possible that it would break the --no-resolve-alternatives case ...
[10:00]  * cjwatson leaves an XXX comment for himself to check that later
[11:21] <cjwatson> wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/side-by-side-diff/+merge/262768 should be worth another look now.
[20:56] <blr> morning
[22:22] <blr> cjwatson: if you're about by any chance, added a test and fixed that bug.
[22:50] <bigjools> wgrant: do you know if there's a way to influence which ssh key is used for sftp dput uploads? Unless there's a sneaky thing in bzrlib I can't see one :(
[22:52] <lifeless> bigjools: just make sure the right one is in your ssh agent
[22:53] <bigjools> lifeless: what if there's no agent?
[22:53] <lifeless> bigjools: then as long as its in the search path of default keys
[22:53] <lifeless> bigjools: or you can put it in the ssh command as an explicit parameter
[22:53] <lifeless> bigjools: (see bzr help config)
[22:53] <bigjools> lifeless: there's not much configuration you can do for dput though
[22:54] <bigjools> the plugin does:         t = bzrlib.transport.get_transport("sftp://%s@%s/%s" % (login, fqdn, incoming))
[22:55] <lifeless> bigjools: yes, that doesn't invalidate what I said
[22:56] <bigjools> lifeless: there's no ssh command though and I can't see how to select a specific key
[23:08] <lifeless> digging
[23:11] <bigjools> lifeless: It looks like the bzrlib sftp transport ignores the .ssh/config but it should not according to what I read elsewhere :/
[23:11] <lifeless> bigjools: if its using paramiko rather than openssh that could happen
[23:11] <bigjools> I believe it's paramiko, yes
[23:11] <lifeless> well
[23:11] <lifeless> we always use some bits of paramiko
[23:12] <lifeless> but
[23:12] <lifeless> its whether the channel setup is paramiko or ssh
[23:13] <lifeless> bigjools: see bzr help authentication
[23:13] <lifeless> bigjools: it might help, I haven't re-read it all
[23:13] <bigjools> cheers, reading
[23:15] <bigjools> looks great, but nothing about keys :(
[23:16] <lifeless> ahha
[23:16] <lifeless> BZR_SSH
[23:16] <lifeless> BZR_SSH             Path to SSH client, or one of paramiko, openssh, sshcorp,
[23:16] <lifeless>                     plink or lsh.
[23:17] <lifeless> try setting that to openssh
[23:17] <lifeless> it may cause an error but then you'll know why paramiko was being used
[23:17] <bigjools> aha!
[23:17] <lifeless> (bzr help env-variables)
[23:17] <bigjools> I found the bzrlib code that only uses id_dsa or id_rsa :(
[23:17] <lifeless> yeah, thats in the paramiko channel setup
[23:18] <lifeless> which TBH you don't want to use anyway
[23:23] <bigjools> just trying it out, will let you know shortly
[23:25] <bigjools> and it worked!  thanks a million lifeless
[23:28] <lifeless> de nada
[23:28] <bigjools> cider++