[00:00] <james0r> ahh so it's a little risky huh? maybe i'll just install the final release to be sure
[00:02] <skribblezatcha> well if you are good to go. i mean nothing is broken, nothing missing from the panel james0r. then you should be fine.
[00:02] <skribblezatcha> i installed a daily build two days ago and am good to go. so i am keeping the install.
[00:02] <skribblezatcha> i know that the new trusty wallpaper is hideous. i went back to the saucy wallpaper.
[00:03] <james0r> skribblezatcha, ahh really? i kinda dig the xubuntu version of the new ubuntu wallpaper
[00:03] <james0r> except for the little dots on middle-bottom
[00:05] <skribblezatcha> thats cool james0r.
[00:05] <kupo_> well. I noticed scroll no longer works to move to different workspaces. or is there an option?
[00:05] <skribblezatcha> you still may have the old wallpaper that i lost once i changed wallpapers. once i went back to trying to get the old trusty wallpaper it was gone.
[00:05] <skribblezatcha> a new and ugly one was there and i had to go back to saucy to get one.
[00:08] <brainwash> kupo_: it's disabled by default now, you can re-enabled it via settings manager > window manager tweaks I think
[00:08] <kupo_> ok. lemme check
[00:08] <kupo_> may be a feature most dont like. but i got used to it quick heh
[00:09] <kupo_> that fixed it. tyvm
[00:09] <brainwash> :)
[00:15] <Kekai> how long does the upgrade from 13.10 to 14.04 LTS take?
[00:15] <kupo_> same as normal installtion most likely
[00:16] <kupo_> i just started fresh. noticed a few extra changes than terminal upgrade
[00:25] <schreber> depends on connection, computer, and what all needs to be upgraded.
[00:46] <delt> bug #1292290
[00:46] <delt> bug #1308628
[00:46] <delt> (known issues)
[00:46] <delt> any chance of these bugs being resolved in the next few days?
[00:51] <brainwash> the first one - maybe
[00:51] <brainwash> the second one is a general ubuntu bug
[01:11] <michel71> hello all. just installed xubuntu 14.04. all is well, but there is one minor issue that i don't quite understand.
[01:11] <michel71> by default, there are two workspaces, yet there is no workspace switcher on the panel.
[01:12] <michel71> so, for the first time user, when he drags a moves off to another screen, how will he understand what has just happened?
[01:59] <kupo_> 14.04 in the house
[02:13] <flan_suse> When will the alternate installer ISO for 14.04 be available to download?
[02:14] <Unit193> There are no alternate installers.
[02:14] <flan_suse> Odd.
[02:15] <flan_suse> Because with the LiveCD installer, you either clear the entire disk to use encryption, or you cannot use encryption if you decide to do a manual setup...
[02:15] <flan_suse> The alternate installer gave you the option to use encryption without having to destroy the entire disk.
[02:17] <flan_suse> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1264813
[02:17] <Unit193> Use the mini?
[02:19] <flan_suse> Available on the same page as the other ISOs? I didn't see it.
[02:21] <mikeche1en> flan_suse: can you do the upgrade from within your current os?
[02:24] <Unit193> Welp.
[02:29] <kupo_> is it possible to edit the normal xfce menu anymore? like get rid of certain ones like "web browser" etc
[02:29] <Unit193> There's a menu editor in the Settings Manager, menulibre.
[02:30] <Thedemon007> Anybody use chromium in 12.04?
[02:30] <kupo_> yeah i see it. just cant seem to do much with it
[02:30] <Unit193> kupo_: Are you using whiskermenu?
[02:30] <kupo_> nope. xfce one
[02:30] <kupo_> maybe it works with whiskey only now
[02:31] <Unit193> No.
[02:33] <kupo_> ok. now games is gone. i guess it takes awhile. it got bug error then was gone
[02:33] <kupo_> or i dunno
[02:33] <kupo_> lemme log out real quick
[02:35] <kupo_> hmm. think they need to work on that one more
[02:35] <James0r4> kupo_, i think you can right click and 'remove from favorites' too
[02:35] <kupo_> using the older xfce menu
[02:35] <James0r4> then just add your web browser to favorites by right clicking on its menu entry
[02:36] <kupo_> maybe i'll just get rused to whisker
[02:37] <kupo_> it's working now. you save hide from menu. takes a few seconds
[02:39] <Bosi> Hello everyone, should I upgrade Xubuntu 13.10 to 14.04? or is it still on its beta version?
[02:39] <kupo_> still getting the weird synpatic thing. where it goes back till you scroll over. sure it will be fixed though
[03:05] <kupo_> anyone get compton working?
[03:06] <holstein> kupo_: i just added it in lubuntu and ran it
[03:06] <kupo_> hmm. did you have to reboot or anything?
[03:06] <kupo_> i was running it in beta fine. maybe i am putting it on wrong section
[03:06] <holstein> kupo_: nope.. sudo apt-get install compton and i ran it
[03:06] <holstein> but, i didnt end up using it
[03:07] <kupo_> which directory do you add conf to?
[03:08] <holstein> kupo_: i just ran it
[03:09] <holstein> i ended up not using it so i didnt configure it at all
[03:12] <mikeche1en> hmm i seem to be missing the network applet
[03:13] <holstein> nm-applet
[03:13] <holstein> !info nm-applet
[03:13] <holstein> its part of some larger package...
[03:14] <mikeche1en> also, indicator plugin keeps crashing
[03:14] <dupKey> compton FTW. why isn't it default yet?
[03:14] <xubuntu825> I have installed google earth and can see it in my program drop down, but it won't start! PLease help
[03:14] <holstein> xubuntu825: might require 3d. you'll have to ask the maintainers
[03:14] <mikeche1en> xubuntu825: try running it from command line and see if it shows any errors
[03:14] <xubuntu825> this also happened with spideroak
[03:15] <holstein> xubuntu825: "this" ?
[03:15] <holstein> xubuntu825: the spideroak GUI?
[03:15] <xubuntu825> yes
[03:15] <holstein> xubuntu825: what has happened?
[03:15] <holstein> xubuntu825: try launching from the terminal and see if you get helpful errors to share with the maintainers of the packages
[03:16] <xubuntu825> I installed 2 prrtograms, and neither of them work. If i get them from the software center, they work fine, but the rest install, shop u in the usr/bin area, but won't sta
[03:16] <xubuntu825> start
[03:16] <holstein> xubuntu825: use the repo versions you get from the software center
[03:17] <holstein> xubuntu825: thats not how you install them.. you dont "shop u in the usr/bin area" to install software
[03:17] <xubuntu825> spideroak and google earth are not in the software center
[03:17] <holstein> xubuntu825: if you want newer, or other pacakges, try a PPA if the maintainers provide and maintain one..
[03:17] <mikeche1en> holstein: running nm-applet is not working: http://pastebin.com/dx4ikagn
[03:17] <kupo_> got it working. I guess I had to reboot..
[03:18] <holstein> xubuntu825: ask the maintainers khow you are supposed to use the software.. nothing about xubuntu is preventing them from running. you can share errors or messages if you have any
[03:18] <holstein> mikeche1en: the error message looks like this unable to create file '/home/mikechelen/.cache/dconf/user': Permission denied.
[03:19] <holstein> mikeche1en: looks like permisssions errors
[03:19] <xubuntu825> how do i remove them then? they arent in the installed software area
[03:19] <holstein> xubuntu825: you'll look at how you added them, and remove accordingly
[03:19] <mikeche1en> holstein: hmm yeah for some reason ~/.cache/dconf/user is owned by root:root
[03:20] <xubuntu825> i did, but it only gives me the option to install, nothing else
[03:21] <holstein> xubuntu825: i would look for a PPA, otherwise, i dont think you have installed the applications properly
[03:21] <holstein> xubuntu825: you'll need to ask the maintainers.. nothing about xubuntu is preventing spideroak and google earth from running on it
[03:22] <xubuntu825>  both programs are having the exact same problem though.
[03:22] <mikeche1en> holstein: i deleted the user file, that error is gone but it still shows warnings: http://pastebin.com/SS5RvQwd
[03:22] <holstein> xubuntu825: well, they are not running, and you could have not installed them both properly
[03:22] <mikeche1en> maybe its not appearing because indicator plugin is crashing?
[03:23] <holstein> mikeche1en: you'll need to sort out permissions.. thats likely as well.. if indecator is related to permissions
[03:24] <mikeche1en> holstein: i fixed the perms on that file, idk which other files to check
[03:26] <holstein> mikeche1en: any errors when you relaunch the indicator should be relevant
[03:27] <xubuntu825> the software center installed them though. I just downloaded them from the sites and then it took over the install
[03:27] <holstein> xubuntu825: it?
[03:27] <holstein> xubuntu825: you downloaded .deb packages from somewhere? and installed them?
[03:28] <holstein> xubuntu825: we dont maintain them, so if you are having issues with 3rd party apps, ideally the 3rd party will help you maintain them
[03:28] <xubuntu825> yes.
[03:28] <holstein> xubuntu825: you can try running the applications from the terminal and see if you get helpful errors or messages
[03:28] <holstein> xubuntu825: otherwise, you'lll have to let them know they are not working for you on your operation system
[03:28] <kupo_> do you have to install a package to use apt-get autoremove/autoclean
[03:29] <kupo_> they dont seem to be doing anything
[03:29] <xubuntu825> but they are showing up in my menus, but not in the installed programs area. and they are in the usr/bin area
[03:30] <holstein> xubuntu825: ok.. they are not "installed system repo applications"
[03:30] <holstein> xubuntu825: you installed the 3rd party.. that could be the issue
[03:30] <holstein> xubuntu825: do they run when you click on them?
[03:30] <holstein> xubuntu825: can you launch them from the terminal?
[03:31] <xubuntu825> they don't run when i click on them, not sure how to run them on termina;
[03:35] <xubuntu291> I installed google earth, it is in my dropdown menus and it is in the usr/bin area, but not in the software installed area. When I click on them, nothing happend
[03:36] <mikeche1en> what happens if you try to run from usr/bin with cli
[03:38] <xubuntu291> I installed google earth, it is in my dropdown menus and it is in the usr/bin area, but not in the software installed area. When I click on them, nothing happens
[03:40] <holstein> xubuntu291: try starting it from the terminal, otherwise, ask the maintainer of google earth how you are to installl it
[03:42] <mikeche1en> how do you disable the menu / panel integration?
[03:45] <Unit193> mikeche1en: Integration?
[03:52] <mikeche1en> Unit193: the file menu is appearing in my panel
[03:53] <Unit193> If you mean whiskermenu, yes, that's easy to remove.  Remove it by right clicking, and selecting remove.  Then you'll likely want to add the applicationsmenu in.
[03:53] <Unit193> OH, dowh.
[03:53] <newbuntu> Hello
[03:54] <Unit193> If you mean whiskermenu, yes, that's easy to remove.  Remove it by right clicking, and selecting remove.  Then you'll likely want to add the applicationsmenu in.
[03:54] <Unit193> newbuntu: Howdy.
[03:55] <newbuntu> I got a little conundrum, I have a usb headset that is not being recognized. Any thoughts on how I should go about this? I did a scan before and after it being plugged in and no luck everything seems the same.
[04:03] <Kekai> I suppose if you want to update to 14.04 you need to use a USB device?
[04:03] <cfhowlett> Kekai depends.  for a clean install=usb.  for in online upgrade: internet
[04:04] <Kekai> I was going to use the built in upgrader.
[04:04] <holstein> Kekai: you can use what you have
[04:04] <Kekai> but its not showing up at all
[04:04] <cfhowlett> Kekai what is your current version of ubuntu?
[04:05] <cfhowlett> Kekai must be 12.04 or 13.10
[04:05] <Kekai> Xubuntu 13.10
[04:05] <cfhowlett> Kekai open a terminal:  sudo apt-get update
[04:05] <cfhowlett> !release
[04:06] <holstein> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-upgrade-to-ubuntu-14-04-from-ubuntu-13-10-or-12-04/ is a nice relevant read, Kekai
[04:12] <Kekai> eh Il just upgrade via USB tomorrow when I have time to download the ISO
[04:24] <kupo_> Any idea if xubuntu does auto TRIM for ssd?
[04:24] <kupo_> i'll just do it real quick
[04:44] <cfhowlett> !trim|kupo_ as I understand it, trim is available by default in 14.04
[05:04] <xdaimon> Enjoying 14.04
[05:43] <Bugbear> I can't install wine on 64bit: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7273164/    Is this a known issue?
[05:44] <Unit193> And when you try to install wine1.6?  Did you  apt-get update  recently?
[05:45] <Bugbear> i have updated my apt-cache, everything is fully up to date
[05:46] <Bugbear> similar issue with win1.6: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7273189/
[05:46] <Bugbear> wine1.6*
[05:50] <ObrienDave> greetings all
[05:51] <Bugbear> hiya
[05:51] <Unit193> Bugbear: I don't seem to have those same problems.  What version of Xubuntu?
[05:51] <Unit193> ObrienDave: Howdy.
[05:51] <Bugbear> it's ubuntu studio 14.04 64bit. installed beta1, upgraded to beta 2, upgraded to final today.
[05:52] <ObrienDave> hey unit :) been a while
[05:52] <Bugbear> should i switch over to the studio room?
[05:54] <Unit193> Nah, here's fine.  I'm on Xubuntu, upgraded to trusty a month ago, and I have no issues in the sim. :/
[05:55] <Bugbear> 64bit was never able to install wine. i've had this issue since firstboot.
[05:55] <Bugbear> 32 comes with wine pre-installed
[05:55] <ObrienDave> how's everyone liking 14.04? upgrading now
[05:55] <Bugbear> i'm loving 14.04!   big step up over 12.04
[05:56] <ObrienDave> Bugbear: did you install 32bit support?
[05:57] <Unit193> Bugbear: And wine1.6-amd64 gives what?  (Yes, best to install 'wine', but good for output.)
[05:58] <Bugbear> " wine1.6-amd64 : Depends: wine1.6:any (= 1:1.6.2-0ubuntu4)                Recommends: libosmesa6 but it is not going to be installed"
[05:58] <Peleus> Hola all, anyone know how xubuntu 14.04 supports HD7950's?
[05:59] <holstein> Peleus: try it live and see
[05:59] <Bugbear> i dont know personally. all i have is the 4200 & 4350 Peleus, and they work great (no more page tearing in videos)
[06:00] <Peleus> Cool, I have 3x HD7950 but previous versions didn't go so well :(
[06:00] <Peleus> Might give it a go again
[06:00] <holstein> if it doesnt support linux, it may not work well
[06:02] <Peleus> Hopefully it works, AMD cards always seem finicky though, sucks I've never been able to get them fully working with my setup
[06:03] <holstein> nothing about xubuntu is preventing that.. i usuallly try hardware these days and if it doesnt support my operating system, i move on
[06:04] <Bugbear> i have better luck with ATI/AMD than nvidia
[06:05] <Peleus> I'd pay someone a $100 boundy if they could get my system set up the way I want ( can't do it now, but later when I'm at home ) it's that frustrating
[06:07] <Peleus> *bounty
[06:07] <ObrienDave> plus airfare? lol
[06:08] <Peleus> :P
[06:09] <holstein> Peleus: ?
[06:10] <holstein> Peleus: just buy hardware from a vendor that supports linux.. you shouldnt need a bounty program for grahpics support
[06:10] <Peleus> Well, hardly want to throw out 3 x HD7950 to get some monitors working the way I want
[06:11] <holstein> Peleus: you might want linux support over what you are going through
[06:11] <holstein> Peleus: nothing about linux is preventing anyone from supporting devices in it
[06:11] <ObrienDave> <-- will work for food LOL
[06:14] <ObrienDave> * i eat a LOT * lol
[06:28] <Bugbear> i think i figured it out. back on day 1 when i first installed beta1 i added the xorg-edgers ppa because i was having trouble with my intel graphics. i removed the PPA the next day but the damage has already been done.
[06:29] <Unit193> !ppa-purge
[06:30] <Bugbear> thank you
[06:30] <elfy> but if you've removed the ppa I've never had any luck with ppa-purge - I have though had luck re-adding the ppa, updating and then ppa-purging
[06:31] <Unit193> Yep, you won't have luck unless you re-add. :P
[06:31] <Bugbear> worth a shot if needed
[06:33] <Bugbear> lol the ppa-purge package comes from the xorg-edgers ppa im trying to remove
[06:34] <Unit193> ...It's in the main repo.
[06:34] <Bugbear> old info in the link then
[06:34] <Unit193> !info ppa-purge
[06:53] <Bugbear> i dont understand the ppa-purge command syntax.. what exactly do i type to remove this PPA: http://ppa.launchpad.net/xorg-edgers/ppa/ubuntu ?  it keeps updating the cache then saying it cant find the ppa
[06:54] <Bugbear> i successfully added it
[06:56] <elfy> so whatever name you used to add ppa:foo/bar then sudo ppa-purge ppa:foo/bar
[07:01] <Bugbear> ah forget it. wine installs when the ppa is in the sources list
[08:35] <ParkerR> Woo getting 14.04 setup how I like it https://cdn.mediacru.sh/1wnYMZEcU-92.png
[08:35] <ParkerR> I ove how whiskermenu is default
[08:35] <ParkerR> *love
[08:56] <nomic> 12.04 how I like it http://i.imgur.com/RXHwClB.png
[08:57] <Meerkat> with the crash notifications, even?
[08:58] <nomic> yeah
[08:58] <nomic> but what .. never see a crash
[08:58] <nomic> tbh
[08:58] <nomic> one of those * bang .. I have set up for xkill
[08:58] <nomic> not all icons represent .. I just use icon for whatever (program etc)
[08:59] <nomic> the red ! is for updates
[08:59] <amigamagic> nomic, they are too many icons on your bar...  :P
[08:59] <nomic> shrugs .. sure it could be tidier
[08:59]  * nomic shrugs .. everything is there that I want
[08:59] <Meerkat> now that you mention it,14.04 is really stable compared to 13.10. Good stuff.
[09:00] <amigamagic> with the whisker menu you don't need all those icons.
[09:00] <nomic> i like my panel
[09:00] <nomic> used to it ... use not much else (the menus)
[09:00] <amigamagic> I'm sure. To me it's an headcache only to see it (I mean, all these small icons...)... :)
[09:01] <nomic> 1 click for panel icons .. multiple clicks to go through menu tree
[09:01] <elfy> please go to -offtopic for chat about people's preferences - thanks
[09:01] <nomic> nautilus abiword sysinfo dictionary xchat pigeon chrome firefox kill virtualbox catfish volume control transmission ..
[09:01] <nomic> all understood
[09:02] <nomic> calculator
[09:02]  * nomic shrugs
[09:02] <nomic> got bash shells for different machines
[09:02] <amigamagic> nomic let's continue on xubuntu-offtopic
[09:11] <Mike-Linux-NL> Morning everyone ;)
[09:17] <palasso> The release announcement of 14.04 LTS on http://xubuntu.org/news/14-04-release/ says "Xubuntu 14.04 is an LTS (Long-Term Support) release and will be supported for 3 years."
[09:17] <palasso> Is it correct the 3 years? I thought it was 5. Or is that the case only for Ubuntu and Kubuntu?
[09:18] <cfhowlett> palasso 3 years is correct ... desktop, 5 years on server
[09:19] <palasso> cfhowlett: I remember that until 10.04 it was 3 years on the desktop and 5 years on the server but since 12.04 wasn't it changed to 5 years for both desktop and server?
[09:19] <cfhowlett> palasso no, 12.04 was a special deal with 5 year support.
[09:20] <Meerkat> "Ubuntu 14.04 LTS will be supported for 5 years for Ubuntu Desktop, Ubuntu Server, Ubuntu Core, Kubuntu, Edubuntu, and Ubuntu Kylin. All other flavours will be supported for 3 years. "
[09:20] <Meerkat> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes
[09:20] <palasso> Thank you Meerkat :)
[09:49] <oneof3> hello. can someone please tell me how to add the recycle bin to the Panel?
[09:50] <TheSheep> right-click on the panel, select "Panel", "Add new items" find "Trash applet" on the list and either select it and click "Add", or drag it to the right place
[09:50] <oneof3> it is notlisted
[09:50] <TheSheep> did you uninstall it?
[09:50] <oneof3> only screenshot and session menu are listed as options
[09:50] <oneof3> no, this is install of xubuntu only
[09:51] <oneof3> hmm it seems desktop settings is gone to
[09:51] <oneof3> hello. can someone please tell me how to add the recycle bin to the Panel?
[09:51] <TheSheep> what did you do?
[09:51] <oneof3> sorry*
[09:51] <oneof3> Unable to launch "/usr/bin/xfdesktop-settings":
[09:51] <oneof3> how can i fix this?
[09:52] <TheSheep> how did you break it?
[09:52] <oneof3> not sure really
[09:52] <oneof3> i uninstalled thunderbird
[09:52] <TheSheep> what did you do just before it stopped working?
[09:52] <oneof3> removed thunderbird basically
[09:52] <TheSheep> install xubuntu-desktop
[09:54] <oneof3> i am looking in software center and it shows xfce desktop data installed but not xfcedesktop4 installed. maybe install that?
[09:54] <oneof3> cant even open terminal
[09:54] <oneof3> Failed to execute command "xfce4-terminal"
[09:55] <TheSheep> press alt+f2 and type 'xterm'
[09:55] <TheSheep> then do 'sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop'
[09:56] <oneof3> installing
[09:56] <TheSheep> it may bring back thunderbird
[09:56] <oneof3> will affect performance at all?
[09:56] <oneof3> or just refresh
[09:56] <TheSheep> no
[09:56] <oneof3> ty so much
[09:56] <oneof3> working now
[09:56] <TheSheep> it will install back all the basic apps with which xubuntu came
[09:57] <oneof3> yes it did :)
[09:57] <TheSheep> my theory of what happened is that you removed thunderbird, which in turn removed xubuntu-desktop (because thunderbird is a default app)
[09:57] <TheSheep> then you removed all the apps that weren't required by something
[09:58] <TheSheep> and because normally xubuntu-desktop requires all the default apps -- and it was there no more -- it uninstalled them
[09:58] <oneof3> yes
[09:58] <oneof3> it did say ti was removing more stuff
[09:59] <oneof3> makes sense
[09:59] <TheSheep> to avoid that, once you uninstall thunderbird and xubuntu-desktop, look at the list of stuff it would uninstall, and install them manually
[09:59] <TheSheep> it will say "setting to manual"
[09:59] <oneof3> i will from now on, ty
[09:59] <TheSheep> that means it will know not to uninstall them automatically
[10:02] <oneof3> now that i did that, will it install double icons?
[10:02] <TheSheep> no, everything is ever installed once
[10:03] <oneof3> i wonder why i see same icons but in different locations of the menu
[10:03] <oneof3> like file manager is in accessories but also another place
[10:10] <nikolam> huh, there's no second pull-up panel in the bottom of xubuntu 14.04 desktop. And I just got used to it in 13.10. Not that it is terribly important..
[10:11] <TheSheep> nikolam: you can add it
[10:12] <nikolam> I know, and I was complaining whan it was added ;p Now I changed my mind  :P
[10:12] <nikolam> Reaction of fresh user to it was huu, nice, like on mac
[10:13] <nikolam> guess more advanced panel like that could be advised to new users, if they want just that
[10:18] <james0r> nit picking but each little clock applet has one little thing that bugs me. orage doesn't have the quick dropdown calendar. date/time applet doesn't capitalize AM/PM, and the stock Clock applet has a leading zero that I can't seem to get rid of
[10:19] <nikolam> "about me" icon in 14.04 is funny, like in prison :P
[10:19] <james0r> sorry just bitching. 14.04 looks awesome though. the panel and the whole greybird theme is exactly what i like.
[10:19] <nikolam> orage used to have drop down calendar before.. I used to use it when default clock did not have it yet
[10:19] <james0r> nikolam, yeah i saw it called the 'mugshot' feature. probably hence the settings menu icon
[10:20] <james0r> yeah now it's detached and that bugs me
[10:21] <james0r> i installed the xfce4-goodies package to use date/time applet again.
[10:21] <nikolam> quick access to folders beside start mouse icon is also gone, I was thinking that was nise touch to have it by default
[10:22] <james0r> also, anyone know a way to get skype to activate on notification icon click? had this on debian before
[10:22] <nikolam> but i supose it is more clean environment this way and easier for support
[10:23] <james0r> nikolam, i used that a bit when i first came to linux but i prefer a second launcher panel on the bottom now
[10:23] <james0r> it's too cluttered going from whisker menu to launchers then to 'windows buttons'
[10:23] <nikolam> well, you can make it, just add a panel and set it.
[10:24] <james0r> yeah i did already. one of my first things after any install
[10:24] <nikolam> I also think there are better panels like that, in mac-like was funcions and addons, anyway
[10:25] <james0r> yeah i used cairo before but having it bug out sometimes and i just came to think it wasn't very useful. the xfce panel is way more solid feeling and completely bugless for me anyways
[10:26] <nikolam> one ofe the main plus-es of xfce is that one can set up panels however he-she likes. so why not use it to the max , because we can ;p
[10:26] <james0r> i noticed cairo had some cool new addons when i tried it last
[10:27] <james0r> yeah exactly. one of the main reasons i won't use kde
[10:28] <james0r> panels super buggy. auto resizing is awkward. and i like the xfce applets. not the kitchen sink approach but what they do they do well
[10:28] <james0r> here's my desktop after day one with 14.04 --> http://imagebin.org/306275
[10:28] <nikolam> yeah, maybe it is better to leave LTS GUI as clean as possible and we can always experiment with other solutions in updates
[10:29] <amigamagic> james0r, what's the name of that desktop applet?
[10:29] <james0r> this is my first LTS. is simplicity with LTS's the trend?
[10:30] <james0r> amigamagic, which one?
[10:30] <james0r> the stats?
[10:30] <amigamagic> on the right, yes
[10:30] <james0r> amigamagic, ahh that's conky. apt-get install conky
[10:30] <nikolam> well I just invented that in my head, jus was thinking that peole using LTS for 3 years could appretiate less element to support on it by default ;p
[10:31] <james0r> paste.ubuntu.com/7274197 is my config
[10:31] <amigamagic> nice those stats, thanks james0r
[10:40] <jambread> Hi, I can't increase the brightness on my Acer laptop to maximum, can anyone help? Thanks.
[10:42] <nikolam> jambread, there is xfce applet for that. try installing extra addons for xfce
[10:43] <nikolam> just wait till I install synaptic to point you to right package...
[10:45] <nikolam> jambread, it is xfce-goodies i think. But install synaptic yourself and try to find that and others under 'xfce' search
[10:46] <jambread> Think I got it, Thank You nikolam.
[10:51] <Vakkotaur> I'v just installed, updated, and mostly configured Xubuntu 14.04. I've run into one issue. Even with the bluetooth module installed (and a reboot to be sure) for PulseAudio, the system sees, pairs, and connects to my headset - but there's no audio and no option for it in PulseAudio Volume Control.  Am I missing something?  Happy to RTFM, if pointed at TFM.
[10:52] <nikolam> Vakkotaur, try also asking on #ubuntu, they are wider audiance. I never used to pair them
[10:53] <nikolam> and there is also #pulseaudio I think, dunno if they do support on that channel
[11:03] <Vakkotaur> Thanks. Hopefully I'll get somewhere.  It's the "one last thing" really.  (Well, I do have more to do, but that's just setting the panel bar exactly so...  easy)
[11:17] <xubuntu820> Hey there!
[11:18] <xubuntu820> Somebody here helping?
[11:21] <xubuntu820> Tryed connecting a external monitor on hdmi - resolution went wrong on notebook display, no reaction, reboot, blackscreen
[11:22] <xubuntu820> tryed xrandr and configure Xorg in command line - no success
[11:26] <xubuntu820> hey!
[11:28] <xubuntu820> do you know a how to?
[11:33] <koegs> xubuntu820: maybe you can try arandr, a graphical tool for xrandr
[11:33] <xubuntu820> sudo apt-get arandr?
[11:34] <xubuntu820> or which command?
[11:34] <koegs> +install
[11:37] <xubuntu820> whats the next step after installing? any config? -->don't have my nb with me to try now...
[11:38] <koegs> just start arandr :)
[11:38] <koegs> you will see
[11:40] <xubuntu820> heavenly much great THX, Mr. Koegs - I'll give it a chance (in about 5 hours) ;)
[11:40] <xubuntu820> bye
[12:19] <Vakkotaur> Well, that was pointless.
[12:36] <lnostdal> hi guys, does do-release-upgrade work for you yet? ..     i just get a "could not calculate the upgrade" message here
[12:37] <Vakkotaur> Have yet to try it. And if I can't get bluetooth audio working on a regular install, no way I'm trying that.
[12:38] <lnostdal> there's very little information .. and no --verbose argument can be given it seems
[12:45] <xubuntu479> hi people
[12:46] <xubuntu479> simply question. I have ubuntu server. with xubuntu destop but ican't start the GUI
[12:52] <lnostdal> seems manually remoning some ppa's etc. then manually editing /etc/apt/sources.list is getting me somewhere here
[12:52] <lnostdal> removing*
[13:06] <Aurvandill> hello
[13:11] <zleap2> hi
[13:12] <zleap2> just upgraded to xubuntu 14.04
[13:12] <Aurvandill> hello zleap2
[13:12] <zleap2> hi
[13:12] <zleap2> for some reason my keyboard mapping is wrong
[13:13] <knome> zleap2, did you by any chance read the release notes?
[13:13] <zleap2> i am sorting it now
[13:13] <clos> Hi i wanted make the buttons with a better size  using xfconf , how can i do it in xubuntu 13.10?
[13:14] <abhra> having a problem with huawei e355 modem (ethernet over usb and wifi hotspot creator). with xubuntu and 3.8 series of linux kernel, it was supported by default. could be used just by plugging into the device. post 3.8 series of kernel, some changes happened in cdc_ncm part of the kernel.and this stopped working; only wifi hotspots could be found but the ethernet over usb could not be found.in xubuntu 13.10, deactivating the changes in cdc_ncm part of the kernel
[13:14] <abhra> (post 3.8 that is) helped to use it. but its not working in xubuntu 14.04 (with 3.13 kernel) again. how could this be solved properly? launchpad bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1309054
[13:14] <clos> the buttons of the windows
[13:14] <zleap2> yay fixed
[13:16] <clos> the windows buttons in xubuntu are very small and i want to have buttons of big size
[13:17] <amigamagic> clos, try to change the theme
[13:18] <clos> 2with the theme in xubuntu 13.10 istnt possible because all the temes have the same size of buttons
[13:18] <clos> with
[13:19] <amigamagic> I don't know in 13.10. I'm on 14.04 now.
[13:19] <Aurvandill> maybe change dpi will but this will make everything bigger
[13:20] <clos> can xconf in xubuntu 13.10 put buttons of better size?
[13:21] <clos> dpi cant give me buttons of better size in xubuntu 13.10
[13:22] <zleap> back
[13:22] <zleap> sorry system seemed to crash
[13:23] <zleap> i clicked on the mail client and everything vanished leaving me with a blank desktop, no panels,  and no response from keyboard
[13:23] <abhra> clos, it was discussed in xubuntu mailing list few days back. i am trying to find out the  concerned mail
[13:25] <clos> xconf of xubuntu i think that if can do it but i dont know  find the site for setting and getting it
[13:25] <zleap> http://pastebin.com/fRjffSqe
[13:30] <clos> how can i change the size of windows buttons  in xubuntu 13.10?
[13:31] <ddsss> ubuntu 14.04. In order to replace it with xubuntu -> it's just a matter of 'sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop' ?
[13:31] <amigamagic> I don't think so...
[13:32] <knome> ddsss, that installs the xubuntu desktop, but doesn't remove the unity desktop
[13:32] <knome> !purexfce | ddsss
[13:32] <clos> WHY THE BUTTONS IN XUBUNTU 13.10 ARE SAMALLER ???
[13:32] <knome> ddsss, that's outdated though...
[13:32] <knome> clos, calm down. we are volunteers here.
[13:33] <clos> why the windows buttons in xubuntu 13.10 are so smaller ?
[13:34] <cfhowlett> !patience|clos
[13:34] <ddsss> knome, cna i just do 'sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop' after xubuntu isinstalled?
[13:34] <knome> ddsss, no, that won't do it
[13:34] <knome> ddsss, the -desktop packages are metapackages, and won't remove dependencies
[13:36] <clos> the windows buttons of theme of xubuntu is of this size for example   x and this object or button in a window  is very and very smaller for my eyes
[13:37] <clos> and this size so smaller giver pain in my eyes
[13:38] <clos> give pain to my eyes when i use xubuntu hours
[13:38] <knome> the doctor's recommendation is to take a 10 minute every hour.
[13:39] <Gibarian> A question about Gparted, and removing a windows partition from a dual-boot set
[13:39] <amigamagic> clos, I saw some screenshots and to me they appear quite normal in size... http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1113424/img/xubuntu13.10-displays.png
[13:40] <clos> could the app xconf give me bigger buttons in xubuntu 13.10?
[13:40] <cfhowlett> !ask|Gibarian
[13:40] <amigamagic> clos try to change the default theme with one that you like more
[13:41] <Gibarian> I want to remove this windows partition from a Compaq machine, it's a dual boot set xubuntu-windows xp
[13:41] <clos> i have a theme like that and the buttons are very and very smaller , too much for my eyes
[13:41] <Gibarian> but when I see it through Gparted live CD, the windows partition appears as "boot"
[13:42] <amigamagic> clos, in the image I posted before, you find them small?
[13:42] <Aurvandill> you can format the win partion with gparted and extend the other partion or even great a new one after thsi you should remove the windows entry out of grub and update it
[13:42] <clos> of couse are very smaller
[13:42] <cfhowlett> clos that image appears normal for that theme.   go to appearance and change settings there
[13:42] <Gibarian> I would like to extend the xubuntu partition
[13:42] <amigamagic> mmmh... clos, maybe you work too much distant from your monitor
[13:43] <Gibarian> I mean, xubuntu taking over the whole disk
[13:43] <Aurvandill> is the win or the xubuntu partion first ?
[13:43] <Gibarian> When I see it through Gparted (live CD) it appears first
[13:43] <Gibarian> also, with a tag "boot"
[13:43] <clos> for the people with limits in her eyes are very and very smaller and for me without have limitations in my eyes too
[13:43] <Aurvandill> win or xubuntu?
[13:43] <Gibarian> win
[13:43] <amigamagic> clos, you can do like I do: lower the screen resolution
[13:44] <amigamagic> I have problems too with my eyes, so I set a lower resolution than the native one of my monitor
[13:44] <clos> xcon can be the solution or not???
[13:44] <clos> xconf
[13:45] <clos> app xconf of xubuntu 13.10
[13:45] <clos> ???
[13:45] <amigamagic> I don't know, I don't have xconf in xubuntu 14.04
[13:45] <Aurvandill> mhm thats bad for extending the xubuntu partition
[13:45] <Gibarian> I know
[13:46] <amigamagic> but I don't think there is a simple way to make those buttons bigger
[13:46] <cfhowlett> clos no xconf in 13.10    open a terminal.  what is the output of cat /etc/issue/
[13:46] <Aurvandill> maybe you mount the win partition after formating in the / folder if it's possible
[13:47] <Aurvandill> i know you can use a extra partion as /home if thsi can help you
[13:47] <cfhowlett> !home|Aurvandill
[13:48] <Gibarian> I received a similar suggestion, somebody told me I should use that partition as an storage partition
[13:48] <clos> in the panel of control of xubuntu is the xconf app
[13:48] <clos> xubuntu 13.10
[13:48] <elfy> Gibarian: it will be a lost easier to know exactly what your setup is if we have a pastebin of the output of sudo fdisk -l
[13:50] <clos> but i dont know give use at this xconf app for put buttons of good size
[13:50] <elfy> Gibarian: open a terminal and  sudo fdisk -l |pastebinit
[13:51] <Gibarian> Ok elfy, I will, but I have to look for another alternative to pastebin, pastebin is blocked in Venezuela
[13:51] <knome> clos, please stop insisting. maybe nobody knows the answer.
[13:51] <cfhowlett> clos wait, you haven't even TRIED it?!!  stop asking and test it for yourself!
[13:53] <clos> when a versin of xubuntu will built themes with bigger buttons or natural size of buttons
[13:53] <clos> ??
[13:53] <clos> a version
[13:53] <cfhowlett> clos http://xfce-look.org/   for themes
[13:54] <Gibarian> Clos, try a different theme
[13:54] <cfhowlett> clos also, several people suggested you adjust your display resolution.  did you?
[13:55] <clos> all the temes for xfc haven the buttons with the same size than the distros of xubuntu
[13:55] <Aurvandill> mybe this http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=6576 help
[13:57] <ochosi> clos: settings manager > appearance > fonts > custom dpi setting, if you just want bigger buttons/fonts
[13:58] <ochosi> if it's only about the window-decoration, switch themes
[13:59] <clos> ochosi do you use xubuntu why in xubuntu with dppi only can change the size of the windows but not   the buttons of windows
[13:59] <clos> ??
[13:59] <knome> clos, they are different things.
[13:59] <ochosi> what resolution does your display have? in case it's hidpi (>2000px width) you might wanna use a different desktop, xfce doesn't work too great for that yet
[13:59] <knome> clos, change the theme if you want to change the window manager buttons
[13:59] <ochosi> yeah, settings-manager > window-manager
[14:00] <clos> i hve 131 of dpi and the size of  buttons doesnt change
[14:00] <clos> i have 131 dpi
[14:00] <Aurvandill> maybe under settings > window apperance > style  there you can change some styles and i think the buttons of some styles are a bit bigger
[14:00] <amigamagic> clos, what resolution has your monitor?
[14:01] <amigamagic> 1920x1080 or more?
[14:01] <clos> 1440 x 900
[14:02] <amigamagic> mmmh... Greybird theme should be good at that resolution...
[14:02] <amigamagic> I had difficulties from 1680x1050 in up
[14:02] <clos> lpl 140x900
[14:02] <cfhowlett> running in vbox , correct?
[14:02] <clos> lpl 1440 x 900
[14:02] <knome> clos, stop it.
[14:03] <c3l> Is there any  way to "expose" / "scale windows" (like ubuntus super+w)? I guess it is compiz that is responsible for that, does xubuntu come with compiz?
[14:04] <cfhowlett> c3l not by default but it's installable
[14:04] <c3l> cfhowlett, is it supported? I mean, should I expect encountering bugs? what is the recommended way of getting some expose functionality on xubuntu?
[14:04] <freeman__> hi guys why is the xubuntu upgrade from 13.10 to 14.04 so slow, how I could set another server mirror?
[14:05] <knome> c3l, i would imagine you would encounter bugs... and no, not officially supported
[14:05] <cfhowlett> c3l this ^^^
[14:05] <knome> freeman__, it's slow because everybody is upgrading at the same time
[14:05] <cfhowlett> freeman__ torrents and clean install is faster ...
[14:05] <knome> freeman__, there isn't much we can do about it, and ai oubt another server would help
[14:06] <freeman__> alright thougt about that too to reinstall it fresh
[14:06] <freeman__> good to know
[14:07] <clos> xfconf=xfwm4=button spacing, button layout button offset ????
[14:07] <freeman__> oh man so I have to reinstall all my packages that I installed later :(
[14:08] <c3l> too bad, but I guess I'll go back to xubuntu again either way (been using it for some years). Yesterday I decided to try unity, its nice and all with the window effects, I found the expose and workspace switcher really nice. But NOTHING is configurable, there are tweeker tools that you can install sure, but they are limited too. The final drop was that I couldnt unbind alt+key to select from the window menus, I have those keys heavily bin
[14:08] <c3l> ded in my texteditor :(
[14:08] <clos> panel control of xubuntu 13.10 =xfconf app =xfwm4=button spacing, button layout button offset ????
[14:08] <cfhowlett> clos for expert advice on xfce ask in #xfce
[14:08] <knome> clos, stop it. you are not making any sense.
[14:08] <knome> clos, you have been told what the workaround for your issue is
[14:08] <knome> clos, you have also been posted an URL that would help with your issue
[14:09] <cfhowlett> clos ***read and heed*   #xfce
[14:09] <knome> clos, so stop asking the same question, or us to hold your hand while fixing the issue
[14:09] <clos> knome give me the parameter for make the buttons of xubuntu 13.10 very biggers
[14:09] <clos> the windows buttons
[14:10]  * cfhowlett backs away from the thread ...
[14:10] <knome> clos, i don't. see the links posted to you and information given to you
[14:11] <Aurvandill> clos here is a repost http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=6576 maybe the last post on the page there can help you
[14:12] <clos> ok anoter time will be but in xubuntu i never can make the buttons of windows  with a good size for my eyes
[14:12] <clos> anoter time
[14:12] <clos> another time
[14:14] <clos> ok - select in Thunar "Show hidden files" - navigate as I did  /home/timo/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xsettings.xml with Thunar
[14:16] <Aurvandill> don't forget to change timo to your username
[14:16] <clos> but all is in english and i dont know if this solution can work in xubuntu 13.10 or if can do it very bad and break the distro xubuntu 13.10 if i try to do it
[14:17] <clos> i wqanted a solution a bit more easy for this
[14:17] <clos> i wanted
[14:18] <Aurvandill> i thin there is nothing easier and this workaround is for a older version of xfce than in xubuntu 13.10 so it should work i also suggest go to #xfce because i think you will find there more help
[14:19] <cfhowlett> !xfce
[14:19] <clos> the creator of xubuntu i only demand you that you put bigger buttons or the option very easy for do it in his distro, plsssss
[14:20] <diegows> hi
[14:20] <cfhowlett> "demand"???
[14:20] <knome> clos, unlikely to happen. you have now given multiple answers to your question. is there something else you need?
[14:20] <Aurvandill> it's not in the hand of the distro creater it's in the hand of the xfce creators
[14:20] <holstein> clos: ?
[14:20] <cfhowlett> diegows greetings.  ask your support question.
[14:20] <holstein> !contribute > clos
[14:20] <diegows> does anyone has issues with Xfce4 systray and Skype? The systray icons doesn't appear after the upgrade :(
[14:20] <cfhowlett> diegows works fine in 12.04 ...
[14:21] <clos> the creator of xubuntu is very espert and he always can change options of xfce
[14:21] <diegows> 14.04!
[14:21] <holstein> clos: try just using XFCE then, if you prefer the defaults
[14:21] <diegows> cfhowlett, works fine until 14.04 upgrade :)
[14:22] <cfhowlett> diegows ow.  sorry to hear it.  I've not yet installed 14.04 so can't advise.
[14:22] <diegows> all the other systray icons appear (xchat, chrome, etc) but skype nothing :(
[14:22] <holstein> diegows: hmm... it seemed to "just work" as normal for me
[14:23] <holstein> diegows: i'll test it again later, if you want to link me a bug#, i'll mark myself if i can duplicate it
[14:23] <diegows> holstein, ok, thanks
[14:23] <DomiX> hi, i just upgraded to 14.04 and now my keybord is US
[14:23] <knome> DomiX, did you read the release announcement/notes?
[14:23] <Aurvandill> domix read release notes
[14:23] <DomiX> release notes talks about IBUS but no solution
[14:24] <knome> DomiX, yes it does...
[14:24] <DomiX> sure I read but after upgrade...
[14:24] <knome> DomiX, there's a workaround as well
[14:25] <Aurvandill> did you looked at the launchpad page for the bug  DomiX?
[14:25] <Aurvandill> maybe this will help you https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus/+bug/1284635/comments/19
[14:26] <DomiX> i have several users and i need to configure ibus for each ?
[14:26] <vortez12345> not sure if this is the place to ask this, but is anyone else having issues installing a LUKS encrypted system with 14.04? for me after the installation finishes & I reboot it just says there is not volume groups, if it does anything
[14:26] <wub_wub> Quick question is this known bug? This /etc/network/interfaces file was auto set up when I installed from try-xubuntu environment, this causes network manager to fail to get configuration files on (real) startup and it thus it doesn't start.  http://pastebin.com/2K2GgkJ5
[14:27] <DomiX> Aurvandill, ok I see let me try
[14:27] <knome> DomiX, the configuration is needed once per layout. or you can alternatively just remove ibus.
[14:27] <wub_wub> (I've commented out the config to get it working again)
[14:27] <knome> DomiX, if you don't need ibus, just remove it.
[14:27] <DomiX> apt-get purge ibus ?
[14:27] <knome> DomiX, yep
[14:27] <DomiX> ok thanks
[14:29] <Vakkotaur> I've just installed, updated, and mostly configured Xubuntu 14.04. I've run into one issue. Even with the bluetooth module installed (and a reboot to be sure) for PulseAudio, the system sees, pairs, and connects to my headset - but there's no audio and no option for it in PulseAudio Volume Control.  Am I missing something?  Happy to RTFM, if pointed at TFM.
[14:30] <Vakkotaur> (I know I asked earlier, but maybe someoen else can point me at something.  Asking on #ubuntu.. I might as well be invisible.  Not even "come back Thursday.")
[14:30] <DomiX> ibus gone everything works :)
[14:30] <james0r> anyone know how to get skype to activate on one click from the notif tray?
[14:30] <Aurvandill> yeah thats good DomiX
[14:31] <DomiX> weird mouse does not roll window
[14:31] <Reptilia> I've installed Xubuntu 14.04 on my laptop (HP Compaq nx 8220), but i can't make the hardware switch for the wireless card to work. When i run "rfkill list all", the output is: Soft blocked:No, Hard Blocked: Yes. How do i fix this? Thanks in advance.
[14:31] <james0r> i had this on other distros with xfce
[14:31] <DomiX> mouse wheel I mean
[14:31] <knome> DomiX, re-enable it
[14:31] <amigamagic> hey guys where is the default dir for the default themes installed in xubuntu 14.04 ? I would like to copy them in my home dir and mod them...
[14:31] <amigamagic> I cannot find it
[14:31] <knome> amigamagic, /usr/share/themes/
[14:31] <amigamagic> there is nothing in there
[14:31] <amigamagic> I checked
[14:32] <amigamagic> there is only a "default" file
[14:32] <Reptilia> I've installed Xubuntu 14.04 on my laptop (HP Compaq nx 8220), but i can't make the hardware switch for the wireless card to work. When i run "rfkill list all", the output is: Soft blocked:No, Hard Blocked: Yes. How do i fix this? Thanks in advance.
[14:32] <knome> !patience | Reptilia
[14:32] <knome> amigamagic, then you have a broken install, or are looking at the wrong place.
[14:33] <Reptilia> I'm sorry.
[14:33] <amigamagic> knome, sorry, I found it
[14:33] <amigamagic> I searched in usr/share/xfwm4/themes
[14:33] <amigamagic> so I didn't find them... :P
[14:33] <cfhowlett> Reptilia wait 1 ...
[14:33] <amigamagic> thanks, knome
[14:34] <DomiX> knome, in xfce ?
[14:35] <cfhowlett> Reptilia first, try your wifi keypad command.  on my dell the F2 key toggles wifi while running windows.  4 years later, after multiple reboots, I discovered that CTRL F2 toggled while in ubuntu
[14:35] <cfhowlett> also see http://karuppuswamy.com/wordpress/2012/08/17/how-to-fix-wireless-is-disabled-by-hardware-switch-message-in-ubuntu-12-04/
[14:36] <knome> DomiX, yes, it's somewhere in the settings manager iirc, but can't remember where. it was disabled by default on 14.04
[14:36] <Reptilia> cfhowlett: Yup, but i have a dedicated button for the Wireless card,
[14:36] <Aurvandill> domix are you running xubuntu in a vm?
[14:36] <knome> DomiX, if you upgraded, it shouldn't have changed the setting, so you've potentially hit a bug
[14:36] <DomiX> Aurvandill, no on real hardware an hp laptop
[14:36] <cfhowlett> Reptilia right.  experiment.  ctrl + button, alt+button etc
[14:37] <Reptilia> cfhowlett: Sure, just a moment
[14:37] <DomiX> knome, I tried wnidows manager
[14:37] <knome> DomiX, setting manager -> window manager tweaks -> tab accessibility -> "use mouse wheel on title bar to roll up the window"
[14:38] <DomiX> yes indeed it is not checked and it's not translated
[14:38] <knome> DomiX, so if you upgraded, and are sure this was enabled before upgrading, i'd suggest filing a bug
[14:39] <knome> DomiX, that way we can potentially fix it for users upgrading later
[14:40] <amigamagic> when I mod some file of my theme I'm using, how can I reload it in a fast way to check my mods? Some ALT-F2: xfsomething -r
[14:40] <Reptilia> cfhowlett: Nothing happens. Btw, the link that you've sent to me is addressing a problem in which the Wireless LAN is Soft Blocked, not Hard Blocked.
[14:41] <cfhowlett> Reptilia http://www.linuxine.com/story/solved-wireless-hard-block-set-hp-pavilion
[14:42] <cfhowlett> Reptilia similar solutions found when searching ubuntu + hardblock + wifi
[14:42] <Reptilia> Thanks
[14:44] <albi_> hi guys
[14:44] <amigamagic> wow, I scaled some button images, now I have very big window buttons! :D
[14:44] <albi_> I just installed xubuntu
[14:44] <albi_> and I'm having a few annoying problems, wondering if someone could help me?
[14:45] <cfhowlett> !ask|albi_
[14:45] <albi_> Okay :p
[14:45] <albi_> Sorry
[14:45] <albi_> 1) my Wi-Fi is working fine, but the "button" on my laptop is flashing orange and blue constantly (on and off) but seems to be working fine and also.. The startup is horribly slow, slower than my old windows 7 install
[14:47] <amigamagic> albi, what pc you have? It's a netbook?
[14:47] <albi_> It's just an old HP
[14:47] <albi_> few years old
[14:47] <amigamagic> notebook?
[14:47] <albi_> but the windows installation ran really well
[14:47] <albi_> Yes sir
[14:47] <albi_> ntoebook :)
[14:48] <amigamagic> maybe you have little ram of a slow hard disk
[14:48] <Reptilia> Btw, the 14.04 Xubuntu is so freaking fast.
[14:48] <amigamagic> of = or
[14:48] <amigamagic> to me 14.04 is very very fast at booting.
[14:49] <albi_> But it just seems odd, due to the fact windows worked so quickly
[14:49] <albi_> It's literally half the speed :p
[14:49] <albi_> and the HDD is an SSD that I put in xD
[14:50] <Reptilia> Im noticing the difference, since i have 13.04 on my Desktop, and the laptop is way older in hardware terms.
[14:50] <albi_> I'm on 13.0.1 I think
[14:50] <albi_> I'd have to check xD
[14:50] <Reptilia> That's why i love Xubuntu, it's awesome
[14:50] <amigamagic> maybe it could be an issue with the ssd. You should try the 14.04 and check if it's faster
[14:51] <albi_> I wasn't aware 14.04 was out to be honest :)
[14:51] <albi_> I'll find it and upgrade
[14:51] <albi_> Thanks for the help on that one, any ideas about the weird flashing?
[14:52] <Aurvandill> nope but come back after installing 14.04 nmaybe it's away :)
[14:52] <albi_> Okay :)
[14:52] <albi_> I hope so!
[14:52] <albi_> I have to say, it looks nice
[14:53] <albi_> this is my first installation of Linux for about 3 years
[14:55] <cfhowlett> albi_ be happy.  14.04 is supported for long term so = 3 years!
[14:55] <cfhowlett> !lts
[14:55] <albi_> That's nice :)
[14:55] <albi_> brb being summoned
[14:55] <Gibarian> elfy, this is the info I got from sudo fdisk -l
[14:55] <Aurvandill> good luck
[14:56] <Gibarian> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7276220/
[14:56] <Gibarian> Regarding the issue with my partitions, removing windows partition from a dual boot setting
[14:57] <amigamagic> cfhowlett, how is the policy for updates on the ubuntu LTS distros? It's like debian stable, that it's totally freezed (apart the security fix and critical bugfix)?
[14:57] <Reptilia> Who are the designers behind the XFCE? They really know what they're doing :)
[14:58] <knome> http://xfce.org/about/credits
[14:58] <cfhowlett> amigamagic not exactly.  packages my also be upgraded but generally stay on the same primary version e.g. libreoffice writer 3.4 may be upgraded to 3.5
[14:59] <Reptilia> I lol'd at what fixed my problem. Restored default BIOS settings, and then turned on hardware switching again, and now it's working, lol.
[14:59] <amigamagic> cfhowlett, so it's more flexible, thanks
[15:00] <knome> Reptilia, at least it wasn't a hardware button you didn't know existed..
[15:00] <Reptilia> knome: Why, there are people like that? :D
[15:01] <knome> Reptilia, i debugged a similar problem with a friend, and after two hours of working, he said "oh so there IS a hardware button here"
[15:01] <Reptilia> knome: hahahahahahaha
[15:01] <knome> Reptilia, and believe me, it's not about how much you know about linux, hardware, or debugging/fixing problems...
[15:02] <knome> but anyway, we should move to #xubuntu-offtopic for the general chatter
[15:02] <Reptilia> :)
[15:03] <cfhowlett> Reptilia hey it only took me 4 years to figure out how to toggle my wifi ...
[15:04] <Reptilia> Lol
[15:07] <nikolam> why in hell removing libdrm-nouveau2 would like to remove also abiword and xorg?
[15:07] <knome> nikolam, watch the language.
[15:08] <knome> nikolam, sounds like a dependency issue
[15:08] <nikolam> sorry knome. yes.
[15:08] <nikolam> it aslo wants to remove xubuntu-desktop
[15:08] <knome> nikolam, you can try figuring it out by running germinate
[15:09] <knome> removing xubuntu-desktop is completely fine, it's just a metapackage
[15:09] <knome> but otoh, i don't know why you would specifically want to remove that lib. is it causing you problems?
[15:10] <nikolam> knome, can't install nvidia proprietary drivers, because it complains nouveau is active. even after uninstall, that part remains
[15:10] <knome> nikolam, installed != active
[15:10] <knome> well, necessarily...
[15:10] <nikolam> nouveau is cousing some trouble on older nvidia hardware for me (32bit)
[15:17] <lnostdal> i'm afraid to let my computer idle now ..   eheh ..    light locker seems to not turn the screen back on .. or perhaps it is some fault of the power manager
[15:17] <nikolam> somehow, nouveau module is loaded in kernel even after uninstall and restart
[15:18] <knome> lnostdal, did you read the release annoucement/notes?
[15:18] <logos234> hi, i just upgraded from 13.10, how do i get new Applications Menu ? (with search and recent applications)
[15:18] <lnostdal> yep, knome ..   i found the bug thread, but no tips there afict
[15:18] <knome> lnostdal, add the "whiskermenu" panel applet
[15:18] <knome> err, logos234 ^
[15:19] <knome> lnostdal, there were some possible workarounds in the ntoes.
[15:19] <knome> *notes too
[15:19] <elfy> Gibarian: as I thought - backup - delete windows partitions - then you have to expand the extended partition - sda3 to fill the disk to the left probably
[15:19] <elfy> Gibarian: once you've done that you will want to move sda5 to the left and then expand that to fill the available space
[15:20] <elfy> Gibarian: that will take a good while to complete - if you've not done much to your install it will be much quicker to reinstall and then put back the backed up data
[15:22] <knome> elfy, see -release for something you might be interested in...
[15:27] <Gibarian> I thought that too. With the release of 14.04 I thought "I'll have to upgrade anyways"
[15:28] <kupo_> seeding ratio for xubuntu is 15.10  not bad
[15:28] <james0r2> bluebird theme is pretty nice, have never gone for such a colored theme but it's kinda subtle enough. only issue is it doesn't play well with firefox. but that goes for lots of themes
[15:29] <elfy> Gibarian: I have to sya that given choice and the necessary to backup to - that's what I would do - clean install
[15:29] <logos234> knome, thanks
[15:29] <elfy> kupo_: awesome - but I assume you mean 14.04 becuase 15.10 is a long way off yet :p
[15:29] <james0r2> i forgot to throttle my uploads so i was giving all my little 50k/s since yesterday
[15:30] <knome> elfy, seeding ratio 15.10:1 i guess
[15:30] <kupo_> oh yes. 14.04 :)
[15:30] <Kekai> how can I format my USB by terminal
[15:30] <Gibarian> I thought that for days elfy... "Reinstall, or delete and resize"? But now I've make up my mind... Thanks!!! :-)
[15:30] <Kekai> and then install an ISO on i
[15:30] <Kekai> I tried to get Live USB creator but software centre is gone.
[15:31] <knome> Kekai, sudo apt-get install software-center
[15:32] <elfy> Gibarian: welcome :)
[15:32] <Kekai> tried it
[15:32] <nhoj> Kekai, perhaps 'sudo apt-get install unetbootin'
[15:32] <Reptilia> Lol. I was afk and when i came back i've seen B&W screen, with the following written on my laptop' screen: "Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! exitcode=0x00000007"
[15:33] <Kekai> Does unetbootin format te USB?
[15:33] <Reptilia> drm_kms_helper: panic occurred, switching back to text console. What does this mean?
[15:34] <james0r2> using the software center for the first time, coming from mint and debian. seeing prices looks so odd.
[15:35] <kupo_> synaptic is my fav
[15:35] <Aurvandill> yeah you can buy some property software in the ubuntu software center
[15:36] <nhoj> Kekai, usually but you could use gparted -- apt-get install gparted -- a bit more risky unless you understand what you are doing, partition and format the CORRECT device.
[15:36] <knome> Reptilia, was the system suspended?
[15:36] <Kekai> I tried to install gparted but its not sowing up anywhere
[15:37] <james0r2> 89.99 piece of software was at the top that probably has little relevance for most users searching
[15:37] <knome> Kekai, look in the settings manager
[15:37] <knome> james0r2, probably.. but hey, it's business.
[15:37] <nhoj> Kekai, yep see settings manager as it is not in the menu.
[15:38] <Reptilia> knome: How do you mean suspended?
[15:38] <Kekai> Ahhh
[15:38] <Kekai> I see
[15:38] <Kekai> USB creator installed there
[15:38] <knome> Reptilia, suspended as in... suspended :)
[15:39] <Reptilia> knome: Suspended in which terms? English is not my native language :)
[15:39] <nhoj> Kekai, software centre reviews are not favourable for USB creator FWIW
[15:39] <knome> Reptilia, suspended to ram
[15:39] <knome> Reptilia, is it a laptop?
[15:39] <Reptilia> Yes
[15:40] <james0r2> yeah i'll stick with synaptic
[15:40] <knome> then it might be related to the known bug in the release notes...
[15:41] <james0r2> Reptilia, you might also now 'suspend' as 'sleep'
[15:42] <james0r2> know*
[15:42] <Reptilia> Well that's the first thing that came up into my mind, lol
[15:42] <Reptilia> That the Laptop might got into sleep mode (with some default setting of 5 minutes inactivity...)
[15:42] <Kekai> I wonder if my software will be compatible with 14.04
[15:42] <Reptilia> Your software?
[15:43] <Reptilia> Aaa...
[15:43] <Reptilia> :)
[15:46] <Kekai> Skype, Google chrome, SPotify, Nightingale, and quassel IRC
[15:46] <kupo_> yeah. i woke up and my tv wa soff. new tv so maybe it was tv setting. but who knows. couldnt get ubuntu on unless i rebooted
[15:48] <Reptilia> Is there an option to upgrade to 14.04 without doing a fresh install?
[15:48] <counter> do-release-upgrade
[15:49] <Reptilia> Will there be a difference in the performance? Upgrade vs. Fresh install ?
[15:50] <counter> hi, I upgraded to 14.04, the menü is the same as before, but the menü changed in 14.04? I noticed that every folder in /media is now shown at the desktop, can I change that?
[15:50] <Reptilia> Yeah, the app launcher is changed. Is there a way for it to be like it used to?
[15:50] <logos234> counter, you can add whiskermenu panel applet youself
[15:51] <counter> @reptilia: you could get errors, upgrade is maybe not successful, you need to upgrade everything before ...
[15:51] <Reptilia> Infact, it was like that by default, but i've used to change it to a more minimalistic version
[15:51] <knome> counter, right-click the desktop and under desktop settings (tab icons), choose which icons to show
[15:51] <logos234> Reptilia yeah just remove new one and add "Applications Menu", shoudl still be there
[15:52] <Reptilia> logos234: Oh yeah, thanks :)
[15:52] <knome> counter, if you have upgraded, your configuraiton is kept intact. if you want the new menu, add the "whisker menu" panel applet.
[15:52] <martinrame> I upgraded to 14.04 but nothing has changed, how to know if I'm in 14.04?
[15:53] <Reptilia> Since i am a dual-booter, making a fresh install, with first removing the 13.10 will be a pain in the ass i guess...
[15:53] <nhoj> martinrame, lsb_release -a
[15:53] <martinrame> nhoj: thanks I'm on trusty!
[15:54] <nhoj> martinrame, :)
[15:54] <Aurvandill> reptilia it isn' so hard i also done it today in the morning xD
[15:55] <counter> knome: ah, ok - so it is still possible to switch between menus, even on a fresh install?
[15:56] <albi_> One or more running instances of xscreensaver or xlockmore have been detected on this system. Because of incompatible library changes, the upgrade of the GNU libc library will leave you unable to authenticate to these programs. You should arrange for these programs to be restarted or stopped before continuing this upgrade, to avoid locking your users out of their current sessions.
[15:56] <albi_> woops
[15:59] <Reptilia> Aurvandill: Any tutorials, etc, on modifying partitions?
[16:00] <counter> ...I tried on the live cd, answer is yes
[16:00] <Aurvandill> you can format the old ubuntu partition and after that you install install 14.04 there
[16:01] <Reptilia> So im going with the Live USB like i want to install a fresh install, and get into advanced mode, and just delete the old partition, and install the new on that free space
[16:01] <Reptilia> right?
[16:01] <Aurvandill> yep
[16:02] <counter> the other problem is, how can I deactivate all the new mount point links from /media on the desktop?
[16:02] <Aurvandill> you must set a mountpount to the formated partition
[16:03] <counter> or that only mounted links are shown?
[16:05] <counter> @Aurvandill sry, what to you mean, mount points are defined in /etc/fstab
[16:05] <Aurvandill> i meant reptilia
[16:05] <counter> oh, ok ;)
[16:06] <Aurvandill> it was my fault next time i'm writing the name of the person in the message xD
[16:06] <rAad> I am attempting to get xmonad to play nice with 14.04. The panel appears during login but disappears once xmonad starts. There is a blank bar where it should be. It is running. Any ideas?
[16:06] <Aurvandill> counter why you don't hide them?
[16:07] <counter> how hide?
[16:07] <Aurvandill> a . before the name
[16:08] <counter> I understand, it was not necessary at 13.10
[16:08] <albi> hi
[16:08] <Aurvandill> hi albi
[16:09] <albi> im installing 14.04, is there no version of skype available for this? can't see it in the software centre and not sure what  version to use from skype.com
[16:09] <Aurvandill> you must enable some ppas
[16:09] <albi> ppas?
[16:09] <Aurvandill> for ubuntu partners and ubuntu partner source codes
[16:09] <Aurvandill> no nt ppas argh i don't know the names :/
[16:09] <Aurvandill> wait
[16:10] <albi> ok
[16:11] <albi> its so nice being off windows
[16:12] <Aurvandill> in the ubuntu software center go go to the second menupoint and there the last point... a new window should appaer there you go into the bar other software and check the boxes Canonical partner and Canonical Partner (sourcecode)
[16:12] <Aurvandill> after that you leave this window and it will update short
[16:12] <albi> ok :)
[16:12] <Aurvandill> and then you can search for skype and will find it in the ubuntu software center
[16:12] <knome> rAad, xmonad isn't officially supported, i would ask the xmonad developers/support for ideas
[16:12] <albi> should I wait until 14.04 is finished?
[16:13] <albi> I'm doing installing it via an update
[16:13] <albi> I installed 13.10 :)
[16:13] <albi> I'm not sure if the update is going to cause me to lose any data
[16:13] <albi> ah I have to wait anyway
[16:13] <Aurvandill> 14.04 works great for me .... maybe you have a bug with your keyboard layout but there is already a fix
[16:18] <albi> Looking forwards to it
[16:18] <albi> just happy to be off windows
[16:18] <albi> I would love to install it on my main PC
[16:18] <albi> but I would miss my games :(
[16:18] <Aurvandill> i have windows and xubuntu in dual boot ;)
[16:18] <albi> I could
[16:18] <albi> I have more than enoguh room
[16:18] <Reptilia> That's why people use dual-boot
[16:18] <albi> hmm I guess
[16:19] <albi> booting into windows is fairly fast
[16:19] <albi> now to just pick a distro I like for my main PC
[16:19] <Reptilia> Xubuntu. You won't regret :)
[16:19] <albi> I think i'd like something pretty on my main PC
[16:19] <albi> xubuntu is pretty
[16:19] <Reptilia> Ubuntu then, if you like eye-candy
[16:20] <albi> but ubuntu is a bit urgh
[16:20] <fballs> unity is meh
[16:20] <albi> hence why I went for xubuntu
[16:20] <albi> I much prefer the xfce
[16:20] <fballs> i wanted xfce + eye candy so i installed compiz
[16:20] <albi> one thing I am scared about
[16:20] <Reptilia> Yeah, u hate Ubuntu too
[16:20] <Reptilia> i hate*
[16:20] <fballs> also took care of the video tearing issues i was having
[16:20] <martinrame> Doesn't 14.04 uses xfce 4.11 ?
[16:21] <martinrame> I upgraded and I'm still on 4.10
[16:21] <albi> I'll known soon :d
[16:21] <ElderDryas_> Quick Question:  What will I be missing by installing 13.10 (fresh) then upgrading to 14.04 as opposed to a fresh install of 14.04 (which I am having problems)?
[16:21] <Aurvandill> maybe with the keyboard layout but there is a fix
[16:22] <albi> upgrading is a tad slow
[16:22] <Aurvandill> and you should read the release notes because there are known bugs
[16:22] <ElderDryas_> albi: slower than a crashing install ?
[16:22] <albi> :P not quite
[16:22] <albi> xD
[16:22] <ElderDryas_> Aurvandill: Done
[16:22] <albi> man
[16:22] <albi> xchat is so much nicer on here
[16:22] <albi> the windows client sucks ass
[16:22] <elfy> ElderDryas_: should be ok - I assume you have an image burnt - boot that then upgrade with that - purge ibus unless you need it
[16:23] <albi> Has anyone used Bodhi?
[16:23] <albi> Considering Bodhi for my desktop
[16:23] <elfy> ElderDryas_: after you've installed 13.10 - I did about 6 tests on that on the last few days - worked ok for me
[16:23] <xubuntu755> Is there anyway to bypass the keyboard bug?
[16:23] <albi> hmmmm
[16:23] <albi> I think I might install tails on a USB stick
[16:23] <albi> xD
[16:24] <elfy> xubuntu755: purge it before upgrading
[16:24] <ElderDryas_> Thanks Elfy...was just wondering if there was something in 14.04 that wouldn't show up in an upgrade (as in the 12.04 upgrades)
[16:24] <elfy> you'll possibly need to fiddle about with the panel to get new stuff is all
[16:24] <albi> I should have installed Lubuntu for my laptop apparetly
[16:25] <Aurvandill> xubuntu755 there is a fix
[16:25] <Aurvandill> so it's no problem anymore
[16:25] <xubuntu755> Okay, what do you mean with purge? eject ?
[16:25] <albi> hmm
[16:26] <elfy> xubuntu755: read the release notes - the fix is there
[16:26] <albi> Does anyone game on Linux much?
[16:26] <rAad> knome: I got it working fine with xfce mint 16 (13.10) but I'll check with the xmonad people for ideas. huge thanks for your support!
[16:26] <Aurvandill> i think minecraft doesn't count or xD
[16:26] <lnostdal> albi: i like hexchat  ( http://hexchat.github.io/ )
[16:26] <knome> rAad, no problem, and good luck
[16:26] <albi> wat lnostdal
[16:26] <albi> oh IRC client
[16:26] <albi> I c
[16:26] <martinrame> Does anyone know if the new "Mugshot" app is installed by default when upgrading? I upgraded from 13.10 to 14.04 and the menu didn't change at all.
[16:27] <albi> I should ttly install Steam OS
[16:27] <albi> lol
[16:27] <knome> martinrame, are you talking about the menu or profile editing?
[16:27] <elfy> xubuntu755: sudo apt-get purge ibus
[16:27] <martinrame> knome: sorry I thought mugshot was the new menu
[16:28] <martinrame> btw, how can I enable the new menu?
[16:28] <knome> martinrame, add the "whisker menu" panel applet
[16:28] <xubuntu755> I'm on live usb now
[16:29] <martinrame> knome: great, now I have two menus!
[16:29] <xubuntu755> brb
[16:30] <Ditto> I did a 13.10 to 14.04 upgrade and after reboot am getting 'grub_term_highlight_color' not found (grub error) - any advice or link would be greatly appreciated
[16:30] <elfy> martinrame: remove the other one then
[16:32] <Aurvandill> Ditto may this help you https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1289977
[16:32] <Ditto> i will look now - much thanks
[16:34] <knome> martinrame, well just remove the applications menu if you don't want that.
[16:35] <james> hi
[16:35] <Aurvandill> hi james
[16:35] <Guest95528> quick question
[16:35] <Guest95528> oh its reset my name lol
[16:35] <Aurvandill> !ask Guest95528
[16:35] <martinrame> knome: yes, no problem
[16:36] <Guest95528> how can i reset the desktop
[16:36] <knome> Guest95528, reset in what sense?
[16:36] <Guest95528> i upgraded my 13.10 install ti 14.04
[16:36] <Aurvandill> how do you mena reset?
[16:36] <Aurvandill> mean*
[16:36] <Guest95528> and i want to reset the desktop back to default
[16:37] <knome> Guest95528, you want the 14.04 defaults?
[16:37] <Guest95528> i played with some settings
[16:37] <martinrame> btw, I don't know if I'm doing something wrong, but I can't install skype on 14.04 64bits, nor 13.10 because of libqtgui4:i386 and other dependencies that won't be installed.
[16:37] <Guest95528> on 13.10 and want everything back to default
[16:37] <knome> Guest95528, you can't have the 13.10 defaults back unless you have a backup of them
[16:37] <knome> Guest95528, you can have the 14.04 defaults if you wish though
[16:38] <Guest95528> please
[16:38] <knome> Guest95528, considering you said "upgraded to 14.04"
[16:38] <Guest95528> sorry typing one handed because i have my baby daughter in the other
[16:38] <jk_> Both my xubuntu 12.04.4 boxes are freezing in a way I've not seen before, when transferring fairly large files between them via LAN. They apparently time out during a TCP connection leaving both ends blocked. The kern.log entry indicates a crash in "pool" when doing a file splice. Can anyone help?
[16:38] <Guest95528> lol
[16:38] <knome> jk_, file a bug and hope that developers get to it shortly...
[16:40] <kupo_> any special way to get conky working on all workspaces? i gues sit don't matter though. never noticed that
[16:46] <xubuntu820> Hello again, Mr. Koegs!
[16:47] <xubuntu820> time?
[16:48] <knome> xubuntu820, if you have a question, ask and people will reply if they know the answer, no need to ping/wait specific people
[16:49] <xubuntu820> arandr installed - no mouse, no keyboard actions possible
[16:51] <xubuntu820> thx for advice - first day on IRC
[16:53] <Cookir> hey guys, one question
[16:54] <Cookir> what xorg packages do I need to hold back, since I don't want to upgrade xserver (ati drivers don't support 1.15.1)?
[16:58] <xubuntu071> wow!
[16:59] <xubuntu820> prestory - wanted external monitor on hdmi, resolution went wrong, no reaction on notebook, reboot, black screen, tryed xrandr and configured xorg - no success (black screen) got advice from koegs to install arandr (now did) got back to desktop - now ther is no reaction on keyboard or mouse (no mouse in sight), trying compiz=fatal: couldn't open display... any proposal?
[17:00] <knome> xubuntu820, compiz isn't officially supported... remove compiz and check if it works then.
[17:01] <xubuntu755> Hi again. What does the release notes mean with purge IBus? I'm on a live cd now. Xubuntu is already installed but the mouse and keyboard don't
[17:02] <knome> xubuntu820, sudo apt-get purge ibus
[17:02] <xubuntu820> knoem, command? killall compiz?
[17:03] <xubuntu755> And i have to type that in the live cd version?
[17:03] <knome> xubuntu820, that might work, though i'd just remove compiz completely from the system
[17:03] <Cookir> anyone knows about the xorg packages question?
[17:03] <knome> xubuntu755, if the keyboard layout doesn't work as expected there, can do that
[17:04] <xubuntu755> my keyboard and mouse don't even move
[17:04] <knome> Cookir, i would imagine just holding the packages that you don't want to update would be enough; that should keep other packages from updating if they depend on newer versions of that package. generally, it's not supported to do that though, so please consider that... xubuntu 12.04 is supported for one more year as well.
[17:05] <Cookir> Thanks knome, I have been using 13.10 fine, but I would like to upgrade to 14 now, just leave xorg as it is, since ATI takes it's time with drivers
[17:06] <knome> Cookir, as always, take backups...
[17:07] <rAad> Where can I find session startup logs?
[17:07] <Cookir> Yeah I know, thanks
[17:07] <knome> rAad, /var/log ?
[17:07] <rAad> Sure, but specifically for xfce sessions?
[17:08] <knome> rAad, should be the same place
[17:10] <xubuntu820> knome, "rm compiz" not possible - couldn't find data ("sudo apt-get uninstall compiz" - not possible too)
[17:10] <knome> xubuntu820, sudo apt-get remove compiz
[17:11] <xubuntu820> knome, reboot?
[17:12] <knome> xubuntu820, that won't hurt.
[17:12] <xubuntu755> knome, can you explain Ibus purge?
[17:14] <knome> xubuntu755, explain in what way?
[17:15] <jk_> knome, Just did so, against kernel, but I'm not at all sure it is a bug. In fact I cannot rule out hardware such as a failing NIC...
[17:16] <knome> jk_, well, if you come up with something, and notice it's not a bug in the kernel or anywhere else, you can just mark the bug invalid (if you can), or ask me to do that.
[17:16] <xubuntu755> Well, I installed Xubuntu 14.04, after rebooting mouse and keyboard are not working. So I get back on the Live cd version, looking what to do and everyone says about purging Ibus
[17:16] <knome> xubuntu755, does the keyboard work in TTY1 (ctrl+alt+F1) ?
[17:18] <xubuntu755> yes it works
[17:18] <xubuntu820> knome, it hurted - but because of not functioning again (i told configuring Xorg.conf - couldn't find saved data later - can I get a new one without typing?)
[17:18] <knome> xubuntu755, login there, and run 'sudo apt-get purge ibus'
[17:19] <xubuntu755> Okay ill try that brb
[17:19] <knome> xubuntu820, what is not functioning? did you need xorg.conf for compiz or something else?
[17:21] <xubuntu820> knome, i'm not sure what I need xorg.conf exactly for, but checked the net for same problem and tryed - and today I'm here :)
[17:21] <xubuntu820> knome, by the way - compiz is removed
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[17:25] <Aurvandill> sry for the spam i accidently lay my headset on my keyboard and after i returned i pushed enter to wake my pc up
[17:25] <rAad> i just assumed you really really liked xubuntu!
[17:27] <knome> xubuntu820, you can try just removing xorg.conf... but make a backup of it before you do. then try booting again
[17:28] <xubuntu820> knome, command for backup?
[17:28] <vortez12345> does anyone else have issues trying to install with the LUKS encryption & LVM. After I do a full install, & reboot, it either stays at a black screen (no, the arrow keys don't bring any text up like with the logo), or it is a Logo screen and when I press right it says No Volume Groups.
[17:29] <knome> xubuntu820, well, basically, 'sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old'
[17:31] <xubuntu820> knome, not possible - data not found
[17:32] <knome> xubuntu820, are you sure you have a xorg.conf file then? and did you use the capital X for X11 ?
[17:32] <Reptilia> I've installed Xubuntu 14.04 on my laptop, but when i run applications, they won't appear in the taskbar, although they are running.
[17:34] <xubuntu820> knome, I'm not sure bout the xorg.conf file (didn't find it in nano too), but capital X, yes?
[17:34] <knome> yep.
[17:34] <knome> capital X for X11, but not for xorg.conf
[17:34] <xubuntu820> knome, i compared and its the same as you wrote
[17:35] <knome> ok, then you apparently don't have a xorg.conf file, which is okay...
[17:37] <xubuntu820> knome, is there a command for getting a xorg.conf?
[17:37] <Reptilia> I've installed Xubuntu 14.04 on my laptop, but when i run applications, they won't appear in the taskbar, although they are running.
[17:38] <knome> xubuntu820, are you using/do you need to use a proprietary driver that requires a xorg.conf?
[17:39] <xubuntu820> knome, what exactly is this file for?
[17:39] <knome> xubuntu820, specific X settings
[17:39] <knome> xubuntu820, it's possible you need one... most don't
[17:40] <albi> yay
[17:40] <albi> on the last stage of updating to 14.04
[17:41] <albi> :)
[17:44] <xubuntu820> knome, ok - think I'm just not that far with xubuntu or my english - what do i need X settings for? just heard about xorg.conf by wanting no black screen
[17:45] <knome> xubuntu820, what's your native language? there are localized support channels if you prefer that
[17:45] <xubuntu820> knome, german
[17:45] <knome> !de | xubuntu820
[17:48] <albi> Hey guys, I've gone into Software Center and I'm trying to install Skype but I can't find it.. I've set it to use the Canonical repos but still nothign
[17:48] <Reptilia> I've installed Xubuntu 14.04 on my laptop, but when i run applications, they won't appear in the taskbar, although they are running.
[17:49] <xubuntu820> knome, don't wonna go to circus :-)
[17:49] <knome> !patience | Reptilia
[17:49] <knome> xubuntu820, they are able to help with xorg issues as well
[17:49] <knome> xubuntu820, i can't see much that is xubuntu-specific there
[17:49] <xubuntu820> but i try ubuntu.at
[17:50] <xubuntu820> try ubuntu.de
[17:50] <knome> xubuntu820, and if they point you back here, tell them we pointed you there...
[17:50] <DomiX> just got my first freeze on xubuntu
[17:50] <xubuntu820> and so on ;-)
[17:50] <xubuntu820> thx, for your time
[17:51] <albi> I wonder if installing OS X is a pain
[17:51] <albi> I'd like to have windows, OS X and a linux distro or two on my PC
[17:51] <knome> xubuntu820, no problem, and good luck
[17:53] <albi> that was weird
[17:53] <albi> just got a pop up of debefcon
[17:53] <albi> for two seconds
[17:54] <Reptilia> I've installed Xubuntu 14.04 on my laptop, but when i run applications, they won't appear in the taskbar, although they are running.
[18:00] <Reptilia> I've made the apps show in the taskbar, but after every opened application, they are shifting to the right, instead of shifting to the left of the clock, keyboard layout, date, etc...
[18:01] <nhoj> Reptilia, perhaps there is an expanding separator item on the panel
[18:02] <Reptilia> nhoj: Did not understand you.
[18:03] <nhoj> Reptilia, sorry, I probably did not understand your problem after reviewing your statement
[18:04] <nhoj> Reptilia, are all the apps in the taskbar to the right of the clock/date?
[18:05] <nhoj> Reptilia, if you select Panel in the Settings app then you can see the apps when you then select 'Items'
[18:06] <risk0pls> hi i ne4ed instructions of console  for upgrade of xubuntu 13.10 to xubuntu 14 lts
[18:07] <risk0pls> i need
[18:10] <risk0pls> hi could give me instructions  for upgrade of xubuntu 13.10 to 14.04 lts  with the console
[18:10] <albi> Guys, what would you say is the best distro for gaming (not steam OS)
[18:10] <knome> !patience | risk0pls
[18:10] <knome> albi, windows.
[18:11] <nhoj> risk0pls, do you mean that you want to upgrade with apt-get commands in a terminal?
[18:12] <Aurvandill> albi best you can use every distro with playonlinux or wine but it's never like playing with a windows machine
[18:12] <albi> Okay
[18:12] <albi> maybe I will just fresh install windows
[18:12] <albi> and then have xubuntu as my main
[18:12] <Aurvandill> but some older games before dx 10 are running well on linux with playonlinux
[18:12] <m1chael> Trying to register the VirtualBox kernel modules using DKMSError! Your kernel headers for kernel 3.8.0-19-generic cannot be found.  Please install the linux-headers-3.8.0-19-generic package,.   it looks like it installed 'linux-headers-3.11.0-19-lowlatency'  and then complains about 3.8....    any ideas on this? http://dpaste.com/1785381/
[18:13] <risk0pls> nhot yeah upgrade from konsole becvause in sypnactips dont show me upgrades for xubuntu 14 lts
[18:13] <major_> salut
[18:13] <Aurvandill> hi
[18:14] <nhoj> risk0pls, https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCsQFjAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fhelp.ubuntu.com%2Fcommunity%2FAptGet%2FHowto&ei=gmtRU4nTOcbK2AXZzoCIBQ&usg=AFQjCNHCriQENtt8qe4lz9COr1pv0K_N9w&sig2=qlgjIQavBCxIvvwHUdvKsA&bvm=bv.65058239,d.b2I
[18:15] <risk0pls> 14.04 is lts in xubuntu too , 5 years or 3 years of support?
[18:15] <knome> nhoj, apt-get won't be able to do a release upgrade.
[18:15] <knome> risk0pls, 'sudo do-release-upgrade -d' from CLI, or 'update-manager -d' for GUI installation
[18:16] <nhoj> do-release-upgrade ??
[18:16] <knome> risk0pls, xubuntu 14.04 will be supported for 3 years, as the release announcement tells you
[18:16] <risk0pls> ok
[18:16] <knome> nhoj, apt-get only updates packages inside the release pocket, it does not get you to the next one
[18:17] <nhoj> knome, sorry I thought dist-upgrade did that
[18:18] <knome> nhoj, no, dist-upgrade only upgrades kernels and some other things that need a so-called "partial upgrade"
[18:19] <nhoj> knome, The link I proposed covers that for risk0pls , I believe.
[18:20] <xubuntu820> knome, I'm back again - no comparable IRC - but I think about upgrading to Xubuntu 14.04 - how can i upgrade without losing my documents?
[18:20] <risk0pls> knome if i ve xubuntu 13.10 since 2 day ago what is the optimus mode of upgrade  sudo do-release-upgrade -d   or 'update-manager -d' for GUI installation?
[18:20] <knome> nhoj, not really, apt-get never gets you from 13.10 to 14.04.
[18:20] <knome> xubuntu820, upgrading shouldn't lose your files, but it's very recommended to always take backups before upgrading
[18:21] <nhoj> knome, my mistake try this one: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/installing-upgrading.html
[18:21] <xubuntu820> knome, how (in shell)?
[18:21] <knome> risk0pls, actually, you shouldn't even need -d... but anyway, either one you fancy better.
[18:22] <knome> xubuntu820, 'sudo do-release-upgrade', but if you don't take backups, it's always possible you will lose some settings or data.
[18:22] <longbonglungfish> does anyone know if using the intel graphics installer and the drivers + PPAs it adds will cause problems during my upgrade from 13.10 to the new LTS? also, i heard that before an upgrade one should change all occurrences of 'saucy' to 'trusty' in /etc/apt/sources.list, is this true? also, also, i have been using whiskermenu on 13.10 for a while now and it was added via a third party ppa, should i uninstall whiske
[18:22] <longbonglungfish> rmenu before the upgrade? bushels of thanks in advance for any answers.
[18:23] <knome> longbonglungfish, re: sources.list: no, the upgrader will take care of that
[18:23] <risk0pls> knome i wont lose my settings of xubuntu 13.10 to the next upgrade
[18:23] <knome> longbonglungfish, i think it would be sanest to drop the whiskermenu ppa before upgrading
[18:23] <knome> longbonglungfish, PPA's should be generally handled/migrated cleanly, but problems are always possible
[18:23] <xubuntu820> knome, how can I backup on tty? is there a command?
[18:24] <knome> risk0pls, you shouldn't, but it's always possible.
[18:24] <longbonglungfish> thanks knome. drop the ppa but don't remove the application itself, yes?
[18:24] <knome> xubuntu820, there are tools for it, but basically just copying your files to a USB stick would do.
[18:25] <knome> longbonglungfish, dropping the PPA would make the app disappear, but it should be reinstalled from the official repositories during upgrading, and it might even be added automatically back to your panel. if not, just manually drop it back
[18:25] <pooof> poof
[18:26] <knome> longbonglungfish, you don't want/need the PPA for 14.04, since it's in the official repositories
[18:26] <Reptilia> nhoj: Fixed it, by modifying the panel preferences.
[18:26] <xubuntu820> knome, sounds very easy - but not for me in shell (you know - black screen) :-( any command?
[18:27] <knome> xubuntu820, depends what you want to backup...
[18:27] <nhoj> Reptilia, good :)
[18:27] <longbonglungfish> got it. thanks so much. and i forgot one last thing; i use compton in place of the default compositor because i have intel integrated graphics and there are tons of tearing issues with xfce's compositor. will compton still work for me?
[18:27] <xubuntu820> knome, documents & pics
[18:28] <knome> longbonglungfish, i have no idea. you could try the xfce compositor in 14.04 though
[18:28] <pooof> jastan mitaj palah?
[18:28] <longbonglungfish> alrightos. thanks again!
[18:28] <knome> longbonglungfish, generally, i'd say it "should work", but obviously i can't confirm that, as it's not officially supported
[18:28] <Reptilia> What actually a keyring is?
[18:28] <nhoj> longbonglungfish, I think you will find the same problems with 14.04 -- Intel g41 here
[18:28] <knome> xubuntu820, cp -R /home/yourusername /media/usbstick/home_backup
[18:29] <knome> xubuntu820, but you need to make sure your usb stick is mounted
[18:29] <xubuntu820> knome, next fun
[18:31] <knome> xubuntu820, check if it's mounted automatically, 'ls /media' and see if there is a subdirectory for it
[18:31] <knome> xubuntu820, if not, run 'sudo fdisk -l' to see the devices that are available
[18:32] <xubuntu997> my wifi connection doesn,t work, could any body help me
[18:32] <xubuntu820> knome, first command= username usb (ok, nor?)
[18:33] <knome> xubuntu820, i'm not following
[18:33] <SunilJoshi> Hello, how can i configure super + D shortcut to show desktop, using Xubuntu 14.04?
[18:35] <xubuntu820> 'ls /media' - 'enter' - 'myusername usb' is ok, or not?
[18:35] <nhoj> knome, re xubuntu820 : the ls /media will show the username as a directory
[18:35] <Kekai> I want to run Team speak
[18:35] <knome> nhoj, right, you're correct.
[18:35] <Kekai> how do I run a .run file
[18:35] <Ela_> my WIFI shows all the available wifi network, but doesen't connet wifi
[18:35] <knome> nhoj, can you pick that up from here? i need to run soon
[18:36] <nhoj> knome, will try
[18:36] <Ela_> my wifi connection doesn't work, any body kindly help me
[18:36] <anykey> hi
[18:37] <knome> !patience | Ela_
[18:37] <anykey> I just noticed: my network manager applet is completely missing. it's fine until I have to go to work on tuesday, but... has anyone else seen this?
[18:37] <anykey> this is after the update to Trusty
[18:38] <nhoj> xubuntu820, ls /media/username -- try that where username is your login
[18:41] <nhoj> xubuntu820, /media/username/usbname  is the result you need
[18:45] <x_> hello ... somebody more had problems with change user?
[18:45] <x_> not works for me
[18:47] <SunilJoshi> Hello, how can i configure super + D shortcut to show desktop, using Xubuntu 14.04. currently its set to ctl + alt + D
[18:49] <nhoj> SunilJoshi, Settings -> Keyboard -> application shortcuts
[18:50] <x_> oh i think is this bug :(
[18:50] <x_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin/+bug/1285440
[18:50]  * anykey just reads up on networkmanager cli, and will make do until the applet reappears.
[18:50] <SunilJoshi> nhoj: i am not able to find ctl + alt + D, in there and also i don't know which command to assign it too :(
[18:53] <x_> some idea for make a workaround for switch between users ?
[18:54] <nhoj> SunilJoshi, yes I see what you mean now: try here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1979897
[18:55] <nhoj> SunilJoshi, still can't find the command there though...
[18:57] <nhoj> SunilJoshi, perhaps 'xfconf-query -c xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts -l -v | grep desktop'
[18:58] <nhoj> SunilJoshi, show_desktop_key
[19:00]  * SunilJoshi trying..
[19:01] <logos234> hey, i found out I cant make an virtualenv with python3 built-in function. Is 14.04's built-in python broken ?
[19:02] <SunilJoshi> nhoj: not working .. :(
[19:02] <SunilJoshi> i got a notification and followed by an error
[19:03] <SunilJoshi> notification - > Slow keys are disabled
[19:07] <Ray_> Hi
[19:07] <xubuntu458> How should I use xubuntu via usb stick???
[19:08] <Ray_> I just installed Gparted in the new Xubuntu version but some how it remains hidden under the systems menu.
[19:08] <Ray_> according to the menu editor itself it shoud be visible
[19:08] <knome> Ray_, check under settings manager.
[19:08] <xubuntu458> ???
[19:10] <Ray_> is this a user rights thing? as it shows unp in the menu setting (under system)
[19:10] <knome> Ray_, no, it's just grouped under the settings manager in xubuntu
[19:11] <Ray_> ah, now I see thanks (odd that is also shows up in the menu editor under system). but anyway thanks
[19:17] <brainwash> SunilJoshi: see settings manager > window manager > 2nd tab
[19:17] <Kekai> Anyone ave teamspeak on 14.04?
[19:19] <Aurvandill> nope
[19:19] <catwiesel> Hey. I updated from 13.10 to 14.04 and now the indicator-multiload does not work anymore. An indicator similar to that, which I wrote myself didn't work either.
[19:20] <catwiesel> It looks like the panel caches the icons, which makes indicator-multiload (has a histogram of cpu etc as an icon) useless.
[19:20] <catwiesel> Is that an actual feature, which I couldn't find or a bug?
[19:20] <catwiesel> And is that bug only on my machine, or everywhere?
[19:20] <OzCCS> hi, good day
[19:21] <Aurvandill> maybe this help you indicator-multiload but i can't help you further
[19:21] <catwiesel> (I fixed my indicator by changing the path to the icon with every update, circumventing the proposed caching)
[19:21] <catwiesel> Hi
[19:22] <knome> catwiesel, it's a bad time now, right after the release, but join #xubuntu-devel for more information on indicator changes...
[19:22] <OzCCS> I'm trying to install a lenovo G505S with xubuntu 14.04 but I keep getting this error and dont know what else to do
[19:22] <OzCCS> trying to overwrite '/etc/console-setup/compose.ISO-8859-13.inc', which is also in package console-setup 1.88
[19:23] <catwiesel> knome: Ok. Will do. Thanks. Mainly wanted to know, if that bug is spread, or just on my machine. But I'll wait, like you suggested.
[19:23] <OzCCS> I tried using custom fs settings (always formating / and /boot)
[19:23] <OzCCS> this last time I tried leaving the free space and selecting 'reinstall xubuntu' with no luck
[19:23] <OzCCS> any advice?
[19:24] <wub_wub> is it possible to use date names based on system regional settings, instead of (apparently) auto-detected regional settings?
[19:24] <Aurvandill> maybe formating the partition?
[19:24] <OzCCS> I tried 'sticking' the 'format partition' after selecting the last option
[19:24] <OzCCS> customized install
[19:25] <OzCCS> nothing
[19:32] <OzCCS> hello?
[19:32] <SunilJoshi> brainwash: thanks alot! that worked!:)
[19:33] <noxiousinc> There are some more bugs already discovered, hopefully they patch it in the next weeks... :)
[19:34] <noxiousinc> The only bug I encounter is the out-of-suspend where you only get a black screen and cannot do anything any more...
[19:35] <wub_wub> I have about 2 or 3 so far... in <5 hours.
[19:35] <brainwash> SunilJoshi: great :)
[19:36] <brainwash> bugs in a final release? no way :D
[19:36] <OzCCS> what would you suggest I try?
[19:37] <Kekai> wait it out for an update
[19:38] <OzCCS> ok, it seems like the problem is with the iso-to-usb software:
[19:38] <OzCCS> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/foundations-bugs/2013-December/174229.html
[19:38] <OzCCS> "Indeed the problem came from  Unetbootin, and a full erasing of the key prior to the copying of the installer files did the trick, so your assumptions are fully correct."
[19:38] <OzCCS> I'll try to use another converter.. regards
[19:43] <volkan> Hey, how can I get the informations about the hdd?
[19:44] <Aurvandill> sudo fdisk -l for the size and partitions and stuff xD
[19:47] <volkan> thanks
[19:47] <DomiX> weird "change user" is grayed out any idea why ? xubuntu 14.04
[19:48] <Aurvandill> maybe no users to change to?
[19:50] <DomiX> no
[19:50] <DomiX> If I lock my session I can't changer user at login screen
[19:50] <DomiX> sorry
[19:50] <DomiX> If I lock my session I can change user at login screen
[19:50] <volkan> Another question : In my desktop, there are the icons of the disks which belong to Win7. How can ı remove them?
[19:53] <catwiesel> volkan: In settings go to desktop and under the 'symbols' tab, you can choose what gets displayed (removable media, paper bin etc.)
[19:54] <volkan> catwiesel, thanks!
[19:55] <catwiesel> volkan: Did it work?
[19:55] <volkan> catwiesel, yes. I removed the removable devices from the list.
[19:56] <catwiesel> volkan: Great. Glad I could help.
[20:03] <Aurvandill> good night everyone and have a nice day :)
[20:06] <xubuntu034> Hello! Does anyone know how and where to get the little image on the trusty tahr announcement in wallpaper size?
[20:06] <xubuntu034> I mean that one: http://xubuntu.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/tahr_artwork.png
[20:07] <xubuntu034> Thanks in advance :)
[20:07] <mspittel1961> What can be done with "Couldn't look up your hostname" error?
[20:08] <volkan> How can I open the bottom panel?
[20:08] <mspittel1961> I just installed Xubuntu 14.04 and can't connect to UnderNet
[20:09] <DomiX> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/parole/+bug/1278089
[20:10] <DomiX> I cannot see video with parole and I'm running 0.6.1-0ubuntu3
[20:11] <brainwash> DomiX: maybe installing xubuntu-restricted-extras helps in this case
[20:11] <DomiX> it was working before upgrade from 13.10, let me try
[20:12] <catwiesel> volkan: What do you mean?
[20:13] <volkan> catwiesel, The launcher which is in the bottom
[20:13] <volkan> catwiesel, ex : http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/xubuntu-desktop-980x657.png
[20:14] <catwiesel> And how do you want to open that? Do you mean changing the icons?
[20:16] <fballs> does compiz have issues with 14.04?
[20:17] <ochosi> fballs: nothing that is known
[20:17] <ochosi> it's still used in unity, so i guess it should be fine in xubuntu too
[20:17] <fballs> ok, good. probably just my setup then
[20:18] <fballs> i tried doing a fresh install from usb, but i get 'boot error' :(
[20:20] <volkan> catwiesel, I dont have a panel like that. I guess it is disabled.
[20:21] <ochosi> fballs: why or how would that be related to compiz?
[20:23] <fballs> oh, its not...i did an upgrade first, and have issues with compiz
[20:24] <fballs> so i tried doing a fresh install and no dice
[20:24] <ochosi> right
[20:24] <ochosi> maybe a faulty usb stick?
[20:25] <ochosi> or a faulty download?
[20:25] <ochosi> (could always check the md5 hashsum for the download)
[20:25] <fballs> good idea
[20:25] <fballs> i didn't get any errors from unetbootin
[20:25] <ochosi> yeah, that doesn't necessarily happen
[20:26] <catwiesel> volkan: It looks like it. I had it disabled before, but it doesn't seem enabled, if packaged in 14.04.
[20:27] <volkan> catwiesel, how can I get it?
[20:28] <catwiesel> I'm looking myself right now. Can't remember the name, might not even be in it anymore.
[20:29] <DomiX> brainwash, it works now thx
[20:30] <Gooch-> anyone know any good themes?
[20:30] <knome> the default xubuntu theme is awesome
[20:30] <knome> so is the matlock tv series theme
[20:31] <Gooch-> yeah i like it but i'm looking for a dark theme
[20:32] <fballs> matlock tv series theme?
[20:36] <fballs> i wish there was a darker gtk version of greybird ;_;
[20:36] <catwiesel> volkan: I just googled 'xubuntu dock' now and found cairo dock.
[20:36] <catwiesel> volkan: will send you the link as pm
[20:37] <ochosi> fballs: i worked on that for a while (blackbird) but ran into too many problems and actually there were too many other things to take care of in xuubntu
[20:42] <mspittel1961> hi, people!
[20:42] <mspittel1961> How is it going with 14.04?
[20:43] <fballs> ochosi, nice. is anyone else working on it?
[20:43] <mspittel1961> me
[20:45] <fballs> it was a mess here going from alacarte to libremenu, compiz window decorations not sticking, desktop shortcuts to drives only there half the time
[20:45] <fballs> working on doing a clean install now
[20:45] <ochosi> fballs: not really at the moment, maybe when i have time again (i.e. not in the foreseeable future)
[20:58] <xubuntu675> how can i upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04 at the command line?
[21:04] <donc3> Hi!!
[21:04] <donc3> I have installed the final beta
[21:05] <donc3> and it doesn't show the upgrade to the final version
[21:05] <donc3> what can i do??
[21:06] <krytarik> !final | donc3
[21:07] <donc3> krytarik: I have typed this
[21:07] <donc3> but it doesn't show me any upgrade
[21:08] <krytarik> donc3: Then you are already up-to-date, i.e. on the final packages.
[21:08] <donc3> but i'm on the final beta
[21:08] <donc3> not in the final release
[21:08] <donc3> krytarik
[21:09] <krytarik> Surely not anymore. :)
[21:09] <knome> donc3, you don't need to upgrade versions if you installed any daily image of 14.04.
[21:09] <knome> donc3, just do regular upgrades.
[21:10] <donc3> but the last time that I did upgrade was 2 days ago
[21:10] <donc3> knome
[21:10] <ParkerR> New LTS release, figured I would give it a shot, get everything setup, theme it a bit, start compiling some programs, need libswrescale... crap
[21:11] <ParkerR> Forgot about libav in Debian/Ubuntu :<
[21:12] <knome> donc3, if you have ran 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' and it doesn't suggest you any updates, you are at the 14.04 "edge"; you can't go any more up-to-date.
[21:13] <donc3> ok
[21:17] <xubuntu689> hello i am not a professional
[21:17] <xubuntu689> i use xubuntu andi dont konw how i can play normal dvd
[21:18] <xubuntu676> Hello!
[21:18] <xubuntu689> hello
[21:18] <xubuntu676> Could anyone help me with something?
[21:19] <xubuntu689>  i am not a professional, i use xubuntu andi dont konw how i can play normal dvd
[21:20] <TheSheep> xubuntu689: nobody can help you until you describe your problem
[21:20] <ParkerR> VLC should do it
[21:20] <xubuntu689> or use to  play a video dvd   player
[21:21] <TheSheep> ah, you need to install extra stuff to be able to play dvd
[21:21] <TheSheep> it may be illegal in your country
[21:21] <TheSheep> !dvd
[21:21] <TheSheep> xubuntu689: if you live in USA or Japan, it's illegal
[21:22] <xubuntu676> ok. I would like to know what is the best way to install propietary AMD drivers. I've already tested going to the drivers section and selecting the propietary but the driver which is given there is not good in my case. I think that is because I have a fairly new card. A 8870M
[21:22] <xubuntu689> thanks i have a look
[21:56] <folkie> is there a way to hide the bluetooth icon from the tray? i never use it.
[21:59] <TheSheep> folkie: you can uncheck it in the 'sessions and autostart'
[21:59] <TheSheep> folkie: to prevent it from starting in the future, to remove it right now, just kill the blueman-applet
[22:00] <folkie> that worked. thanks!
[22:11] <longbonglungfish> hey all. i began the distribution upgrade process from 13.10 to 14.04 a couple of hours ago and i'm having a rather annoying issue; i can't open the terminal progress box within the distribution upgrade gui (http://i3.minus.com/iCzLwoXw2X48h.png), so i can't even see what's going on behind the scenes. this is important, as i have to run in and out of the house multiple times tonight, but don't want to miss anythin
[22:11] <longbonglungfish> g important that i might need to interact with. is there anyway i can see detailed output / progress of the update process?
[22:15] <Reptilia> airmon-ng not working since i've installed the new Xubuntu 14.04. Any ideas? I can't put my wireless card into monitor mode.
[22:15] <delt> yeah speaking of which, i liked ogle... why isn't there a package for it? :(
[22:16] <delt> used it for years on slackware
[22:16] <Reptilia> airmon-ng not working since i've installed the new Xubuntu 14.04. Any ideas? I can't put my wireless card into monitor mode and the interface is named "eth1", instead of "wlan0", as it used to be.
[22:19] <knome> Reptilia, stop repeating every question please.
[22:19] <knome> longbonglungfish, once the actual installation begings, you can expand the terminal fieldset
[22:19] <Reptilia> knome: I've repeated it because i've made it more descriptive. Anyway, i'm sorry.
[22:21] <longbonglungfish> thanks knome! you're really on the ball today.
[22:40] <bo_> hey, I upgraded to 14.04 and my sound settings are gone, "pavucontrol" works , but clicking sound settings on the indicator does not open the options.
[22:41] <bo_> settings-manager also has no sound options
[22:41] <holstein> bo_: you can usually point those gui tools to the proper controls, but, what is going on?
[22:42] <holstein> bo_: you *can* control the sound? and it works properly? just only with pavucontrol? and not with something/anything else?
[22:47] <bo_> sound works, setting sound with indicator works, but I don't have the settings-GUI
[22:47] <holstein> bo_: you dont have it? or its not working?
[22:51] <bo_> I just can't see the sound settings ... instead of the sound setting, a window with "System Settings" opens ( which contains: printer, language and software)
[22:52] <bo_> any idea what the default package is, which contains the settings-GUI ?
[22:54] <holstein> a sound applet.. i remember finding that by opening a pacakge manager (like synaptic) and searching for "sound applet" and seeing what i had
[23:05] <bo_> xfce4-mixer gives you a few settings but they are not the default ..
[23:31] <keyvin> had a weird issue attempting to upgrade
[23:31] <keyvin> not weird a problem
[23:31] <keyvin> the updater started throwing out allocation errors even though I had 300mb of memory available
[23:32] <peyam> wierd? wired? which one
[23:32] <keyvin> it crashed and left my install in an unusable state
[23:32] <peyam> keyvin, Why not making a fresch install?
[23:32] <keyvin> I did
[23:32] <keyvin> I was just curious if this was expected behavior
[23:32] <peyam> yes it is
[23:33] <peyam> in my experience at least
[23:33] <peyam> fresh install is always the best choice
[23:33] <keyvin> I'll remember that from now on
[23:35] <peyam> keyvin, http://s29.postimg.org/lax5kmk3b/Screenshot_2014_04_19_01_34_37.png nice?
[23:43] <Bosi> Hello everyone, when I try to upgrade from Xubuntu 13.10 to 14.04 it appears the following message:  "This release is still in development. Do not install it on production machines." ... is this the final version or not? Should I upgrade or should I wait?
[23:45] <Bosi> anyone?
[23:47] <bazhang> yes it is final as of 4/17
[23:47] <Bosi> ok, thanks!