[07:47] <mai> steven_: stop asking the same question if you're not going to pay attention to people!
[07:47] <wolverian> Razor-X: last time I tried it, it looked like an RPG game interface from 1994
[07:47] <niket> ztonzy: hello , u r the same from #blender
[07:47] <Razor-X> jewel_: KDE does not use esd
[07:47] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: hey i got this error when installing Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/v/vlc/wxvlc_0. 8.1-1ubuntu7_i386.deb  MD5Sum mismatch
[07:47] <mcdenyer> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-mis sing?
[07:47] <jewel_> Razor-X: Yeah, I know, that's why I tell him to kill it.  :)
[07:47] <Razor-X> wolverian: check the screenshots
[07:48] <Razor-X> and I love oldschool RPGs ;;)
[07:48] <jewel_> mcdenyer:  You just need to do apt-get update
[07:48] <Razor-X> jewel_: ahh, you got a point there ;)
[07:48] <wolverian> Razor-X: not the kind of I'm talking about. :) and those screenshots look nice.
[07:48] <Razor-X> most people then restart esd
[07:48] <mcdenyer> razor but i already updated
[07:48] <beatyou> thoreauputic & Razor-X neither of those worked :[
[07:48] <beatyou> still no apache2 in /etc
[07:48] <grphx> HOLY CRAP I'm playing my mp3s..
[07:48] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: you need to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:48] <pipatron> omg!!11
[07:48] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: I have selected every library it could mean...   what am I missing?
[07:48] <pipatron> mp3z are communism! :(
[07:48] <Razor-X> I suggest you get comfortable with a text editor first, mcdenyer
[07:48] <steven_> Jewel_, i killed esd but it said no process found
[07:48] <jewel_> niket:  I've got mysql on my laptop and didn't have to do that
[07:49] <othernoob> pipatron what?lol
[07:49] <Razor-X> pipatron: no, they're a lossy music format
[07:49] <jewel_> steven_: Shoot
[07:49] <niket> jewel_ : after reconfig of mysql-server package its adviced me to set root password in /root/.my.cnf can i know how to put lines in that file
[07:49] <whiprush> beatyou: look in /usr/share/doc/apache2/examples
[07:49] <steven_> razor-x, ill put that out put on pastebin now
[07:49] <pipatron> Razor-X: Oh
[07:49] <grphx> I have a feeling going from WinXP to Linux will take some time
[07:49] <niket> jewel: ok
[07:49] <Razor-X> steven_: ok
[07:49] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: i get this error when trying to do that
[07:49] <tiglionabbit> grphx: be dual boot
[07:49] <Razor-X> graphx: always does
[07:49] <niket> jewel_ : what u had done
[07:49] <grphx> I am
[07:49] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[07:49] <othernoob> grphx not really
[07:49] <mcdenyer> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[07:49] <mcdenyer> mcdenyer@Marksold:~$
[07:49] <grphx> But I want to go 100% linux
[07:49] <tiglionabbit> mcdenyer: use sudo
[07:49] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: prepend a sudo
[07:49] <grphx> Anybody know if it's possible to convert a HD from NTSF to Fat32(or wahtever linux can read/write)
[07:50] <mcdenyer> dont know what your talking about lol
[07:50] <mai> mcdenyer: stop the other apt you have running (synaptic,aptitude,etc)
[07:50] <adwait> grphx: have dual boot for sometime..........then go 100%
[07:50] <Madpilot> grphx: there is a learning curve. welcome to it!
[07:50] <mcdenyer> whats a sudo?
[07:50] <pipatron> grphx: It will take some time, because linux sucks in many areas that you simply don't have to bother with in windows
[07:50] <tiglionabbit> grphx: no.  Only with expensive software
[07:50] <beatyou> whiprush untar this apache2.conf.gz to /etc/apache 2 ?
[07:50] <tiglionabbit> !sudo
[07:50] <ubotu> hmm... sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:50] <Madpilot> !sudo
[07:50] <Razor-X> graphx: NTFS, and yes no, not really, unless you want a hellish job
[07:50] <mai> grphx: just skip the dual-boot entirely and you'll get in a lot quicker
[07:50] <Madpilot> tiglionabbit: great minds thing alike?
[07:50] <LoneLy> hei were u go
[07:50] <tiglionabbit> mcdenyer: read what ubotu the bot said
[07:50] <adwait> grphx: partition magic could do that i think
[07:50] <jewel_> niket: You can edit that file with this command: sudo gedit /root/.my.cnf
[07:50] <whiprush> beatyou: yeah that's like the default apache2.conf
[07:50] <beatyou> whiprush thanks
[07:50] <LoneLy>  what talking abut
[07:50] <nickrud> huh, ubotu is pretty smart :)
[07:50] <pipatron> grphx: take some time = going 100% linux
[07:50] <grphx> if I can get my other HD to be Fat32 I'd be in good shape
[07:51] <LoneLy> jkdfhdsjh
[07:51] <LoneLy> mkfjdkf
[07:51] <Razor-X> no point graphx
[07:51] <LoneLy> kfjsa
[07:51] <LoneLy> mg
[07:51] <LoneLy> kgk
[07:51] <whiprush> beatyou: next time just mv the old config file out of the way. :)
[07:51] <LoneLy>  khgohk
[07:51] <Razor-X> setup an intermediary FAT32 partition
[07:51] <tiglionabbit> LoneLy: quiet you
[07:51] <Razor-X> LoneLy: ok
[07:51] <nickrud> grphx take your time, but it will be worth it
[07:51] <grphx> What format does Linux read?
[07:51] <niket> jewel_ : yes,, but what should i put in .my.cnf
[07:51] <thoreauputic> LoneLy: stop now please
[07:51] <Razor-X> je comprende tres bien.... vas-toi
[07:51] <Harold_installin> I'm so happy to have seen the Ubuntu desktop for a moment on my PowerBook
[07:51] <steven_> Razor-x, http://pastebin.com/309313 theres the link tell me what you want em to do next
[07:51] <grphx> Internet doesn't work in WinXP now..
[07:51] <Razor-X> graphx: many, many
[07:51] <grphx> Fat32?
[07:51] <tiglionabbit> grphx: many formats, including fat32 and ext3
[07:52] <Razor-X> Linux primarily uses ext2 or ext2+journaling (ext3), and sometimes xfs or ReiserFS
[07:52] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: i have allray changed my source list
[07:52] <grphx> Hm
[07:52] <adwait> whts the advantage of reiserfs over ext3?
[07:52] <jewel_> niket: Good question, one second
[07:52] <othernoob> Razor-X you're forgetting jfs ;)
[07:52] <Razor-X> but can read-and-write to all of those and FAT32, and FAT16
[07:52] <beatyou> argh - tar -xvzf archive.tar.gz correct ?
[07:52] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: remove all the 'us' from the file
[07:52] <mcdenyer> url links wont work for some reson i have to copy paste
[07:52] <Harold_installin> crimsun: If you're still around - just to let you know, I'm apt-get dist-upgrading right now to see it it replaces the kernel properly.
[07:52] <Razor-X> beatyou: yeah
[07:52] <adwait> whts the advantage of reiserfs over ext3?
[07:52] <tiglionabbit> um, I still have my question about GL libs
[07:52] <auk> wow, you guys are still at it
[07:52] <grphx> I tried to burn a DVD and it said something about the names being the same, but the files are in different folders..
[07:52] <auk> ;)
[07:52] <Razor-X> adwait: better support for smaller files, like an MP3 collection
[07:53] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: us?
[07:53] <steven_> razor - x, did you get the link i sent
[07:53] <tiglionabbit> adwait: from what I've heard, reiserfs blows up in your face.  So, I don't know
[07:53] <steven_> http://pastebin.com/309313
[07:53] <othernoob> adwait reiserfs is faster...
[07:53] <Razor-X> auk: like I said, hoping for maintainership ;)
[07:53] <Razor-X> oternoob: ahhh, forgot about jfs ;)
[07:53] <nickrud> auk some of us either have no life, or are tied to a desk and need something to do ...
[07:53] <auk> lol
[07:53] <Razor-X> steven_: thanks
[07:53] <adwait> hmm.......and is there anyway i can convert w/o losing data?
[07:53] <thoreauputic> othernoob: ricerfs ;-)
[07:53] <Razor-X> adwait: like I said... why?
[07:53] <tiglionabbit> anyway, could anyone help me out here?
[07:53] <Harold_installin> zlost1: Are you still here?
[07:53] <Razor-X> annex a 200 MB least, 2GB most FAT32 partition as an intermediary
[07:54] <adwait> razor-x: hehe.......well just for the heck of it, i am just using linux to learn stuff....so why not try everything "linuxy" ;)
[07:54] <nickrud> or, really do care.
[07:54] <othernoob> adwait reiserfs is primarily used on servers. for personal pcs ext3 is better
[07:54] <jewel_> niket:  http://mysqld.active-venture.com/Option_files.html
[07:54] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: I still don't know what libs to get.....   er
[07:54] <Razor-X> steven_: simple
[07:54] <Razor-X> steven_: /usr/bin/artsd start
[07:54] <beatyou> whiprush: getting error from tar saying that /usr/share/doc/apache2/examples/apache2.conf.gz does not looke like a tar archive
[07:54] <adwait> otherbnoob: hmm
[07:55] <steven_> Razor - x, is that all ? i put that on a command line
[07:55] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: run an apt-cache search for gl
[07:55] <Razor-X> steven_: yeahp
[07:55] <hyphenated> beatyou: indeed, it doesn't look like a tar archive
[07:55] <Razor-X> beatyou: it's not
[07:55] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: I did
[07:55] <Razor-X> it's a .gz archive
[07:55] <thoreauputic> beatyou: because it isn't - try zless /usr/share/doc/apache2/examples/apache2.conf.gz
[07:55] <beatyou> wow
[07:55] <hyphenated> beatyou: note the word tar not in the name?
[07:55] <beatyou> im silly
[07:55] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: I have a lot of these packages.  What could it want?
[07:55] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: hold on while I run the same search
[07:55] <whiprush> beatyou: try zcat apache.conf.gz >> somefilename
[07:55] <whiprush> or what thoreauputic said
[07:56] <beatyou> thanks
[07:56] <thoreauputic> beatyou: or gunzip
[07:56] <tiglionabbit> and searching for gl isn't very productive.  Everything may have those two letters next to eachother
[07:56] <steven_> Razor-X, ok i did that and i guess its doign something in the terminal, but what is it doing exactly.. do i even have that file
[07:56] <grphx> If I partitioned a harddrive to run linux and winXP, where would all the WinXP files be?
[07:56] <hyphenated> lots of editors can open .gz files directly and do the gzip management internally
[07:56] <adwait> grphx: in an ntfs/fat32 partition
[07:56] <mcdenyer> i shouldnt need to use sudo cuz im the admin lol
[07:56] <mcdenyer> im confused
[07:57] <tiglionabbit> grphx: you can mount your windows partition anywhere you want
[07:57] <jewel_> grphx: Depends, it's wherever you choose to mount them
[07:57] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: hmmm... not sure,meself
[07:57] <Razor-X> try a google search
[07:57] <grphx> Well I want to..
[07:57] <auk> grphx: on a diff partition
[07:57] <Razor-X> graphx: in NTFS
[07:57] <tiglionabbit> has anyone tried to compile this scourge game?
[07:57] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: hey im the admin so i shouldnt have to use sudo right?
[07:57] <nickrud> mcdenyer if you mean, you're in the admin group, that means that sudo will work for you.
[07:57] <tiglionabbit> I could check the forums
[07:57] <Razor-X> this man needs LVM, realy bad ;)
[07:57] <auk> grphx: sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda
[07:57] <steven_> Razor-X, am i going to get somethign that says load complete or something
[07:57] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: no, you should, because you need to be root
[07:58] <Razor-X> steven_: not really, no ;)
[07:58] <jewel_> mcdenyer:  No, you still have to use sudo... it's to keep you from accidentally doing something that needs admin privledges
[07:58] <steven_> Razor-X, then what will i get
[07:58] <raza> Can someone please help me with this error?  I keep getting the MD5Sum mismatch: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/446
[07:58] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: im the only one on this computer and im the only admin
[07:58] <Razor-X> steven_: absolutely nothing, IIRC
[07:58] <steven_> Razor-X, its just blank after i typed that
[07:58] <grphx> auk: Okay done..
[07:58] <mcdenyer> ok
[07:58] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: doesen't matter, if you feel like being admin, the computer doesen't make you admin
[07:58] <auk> find the ntfs partition
[07:58] <thoreauputic> mcdenyer: that's not how it works - you still need to use sudo
[07:58] <tiglionabbit> mcdenyer: heh, actually, being admin is what gives you ACCESS to sudo
[07:58] <nickrud> !rootsudo
[07:58] <ubotu> methinks rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:58] <grphx> OKay found
[07:58] <mcdenyer> ok
[07:59] <Razor-X> there are some things (like the idiot that did sudo chmod 551 /usr) that you shouldn't do
[07:59] <mcdenyer> whats the command for sudo?
[07:59] <auk> mcdenyer, unless you wan tto login as root
[07:59] <Razor-X> DON'T DO THAT ;)
[07:59] <nickrud> lol, sudo
[07:59] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: sudo
[07:59] <jewel_> mcdenyer:  sudo
[07:59] <adwait> mcdenyer:prepend sudo to anything
[07:59] <mcdenyer> lol whats prepend
[07:59] <mcdenyer> and how do i do it
[07:59] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: ...........
[07:59] <auk> sudo <fhajhflas>
[07:59] <nickrud> for example, sudo mv, sudo cp, sudo apt-get, etc
[07:59] <thoreauputic> mcdenyer: sudo <your command here>
[07:59] <Razor-X> www.dictionary.com
[07:59] <mcdenyer> lol
[07:59] <grphx> put it before everything else
[07:59] <adwait> add in the begingn
[07:59] <whiprush> add it to the beginning on a command
[07:59] <Razor-X> append is to add in the end
[07:59] <mcdenyer> ok
[07:59] <tiglionabbit> mcdenyer: prepend means write something before.  Just say sudo before a command that takes root
[07:59] <Razor-X> therefore, the prefix pre replaces the prefix a
[07:59] <Razor-X> and pre means before
[08:00] <mcdenyer> ok
[08:00] <Razor-X> simple suffixes, affixes, and prefixes ;)
[08:00] <grphx> auk: It's /dev/hda1
[08:00] <nickrud> pend means add, pre means before
[08:00] <auk> ok
[08:00] <steven_> wtff i still ahve no sound
[08:00] <nickrud> to add to the confusion :)
[08:00] <steven_> i did everying you guys said
[08:00] <auk> grphx: now what?
[08:00] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: so i would write sudo apt-get update?
[08:00] <adwait> right
[08:00] <grphx> I dunno
[08:00] <grphx> I want to mount it I guess?
[08:00] <Razor-X> adwait: my policy is not to blindly make memorize, but to teach
[08:00] <thoreauputic> mcdenyer: you got it
[08:00] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: yeah
[08:00] <mcdenyer> ok
[08:00] <auk> grphx: ok
[08:00] <mcdenyer> ty
[08:00] <Razor-X> steven_: ps -e again
[08:00] <grphx> I need to burn some stuff from that HD, because I'm too lazy to reboot to windows
[08:00] <adwait> Razor-X: hmm.......<thumbs up>
[08:00] <Razor-X> I need to see it once more, steven_
[08:00] <auk> open /etc/fstab
[08:01] <Razor-X> I work better if i'm taught something... then again, I learn with words and numbers ;)
[08:01] <Razor-X> pictures have no effect on me
[08:01] <grphx> auk: And copy all that?
[08:01] <Razor-X> they just hinder my learning process
[08:01] <auk> no
[08:01] <steven_> Razor - x, im putting it on pastebin
[08:01] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: so now do i try instaling that thing again ?
[08:01] <grphx> auk: Er.. okay it's open
[08:01] <auk> grphx: have you got it open?
[08:01] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: sudo apt-get install vlc
[08:01] <auk> oh, ok....
[08:01] <nickrud> me, put something in my hands, that's how I learn
[08:02] <Razor-X> steven_: yeah, I need the URL
[08:02] <Razor-X> nickrud: neither am I tactile ;)
[08:02] <Razor-X> that's why i'll never be a hardware person
[08:02] <mcdenyer> oh ok so if u type sudo in front it will comfinrm that u are admin befor it does anyhintg
[08:02] <Razor-X> software works because I have an inane sense of math/programming logic
[08:02] <steven_> Razor - X, heres the link http://pastebin.com/309316
[08:02] <Razor-X> (I may be good with computers, but I love math more ;)
[08:02] <steven_> Razor - X, http://pastebin.com/309316
[08:02] <Razor-X> got it steven_
[08:02] <steven_> kk
[08:02] <whiprush> sudo means "superuser do", basically you're telling the computer "run the command I say with root access."
[08:02] <Razor-X> exactly
[08:02] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: lol i got the same error im going in circles lol
[08:03] <Razor-X> superuser being the root user, the user with supreme power
[08:03] <adwait> grphx: at the end put /dev/hdX(whtever uw ant to mount> <TAB> /mount/point <TAB> auto <TAB> uid=1000,gid=100o <TAB> 0 0
[08:03] <tiglionabbit> are we still explaining root in here?  Can't they read the wiki
[08:03] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: edit your sources.list and remove the 'us' s from it
[08:04] <Razor-X> steven_: hmmm, hold on a sec
[08:04] <steven_> razor - x, got it
[08:04] <cyphase> what's a good tool for file syncronization? i want to synchronize a folder on my hard drive with a folder on a USB drive
[08:04] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: whats the command to get to the source list lol
[08:04] <thoreauputic> cyphase: rsync
[08:04] <othernoob> mcdenyer: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:04] <cyphase> thoreaputic, is there a GUI?
[08:04] <cyphase> lol
[08:04] <Razor-X> steven_: try this
[08:04] <dbernar1> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:05] <thoreauputic> cyphase: not that I know of
[08:05] <Razor-X> do you have an ogg file on you, steven_?
[08:05] <cyphase> lol
[08:05] <steven_> Razor - x, not really
[08:05] <cyphase> i was thinking like rsync was for online only
[08:05] <cyphase> i don't know why
[08:05] <cyphase> lol
[08:05] <thoreauputic> cyphase: rsync can be used locally or remotely
[08:05] <jewel_> cyphase: There are some options you can pass to it to make it go fast when you're doing something locally
[08:05] <Razor-X> if not, get one (not hard, get a test one on the site), and type this in "ogg123 -d arts example.ogg
[08:06] <steven_> Razor - x, i just go on the ubuntu device manager and i just try the sound test.. so far i cant get any sound
[08:06] <MrJung_> which  apache2 || apt-get -y install apache2 php4 libapache2-mod-php4  <--- need more ? for www server ?
[08:06] <Razor-X> and msg me if a sound plays, i'm gonna be back in a bit
[08:06] <jewel_> cyphase: Although just -a does about what you want
[08:06] <steven_> wait
[08:06] <Razor-X> mmmm?
[08:06] <steven_> razor - x,  on the terminal
[08:06] <Razor-X> yes yes
[08:06] <Razor-X> anyways, brb
[08:06] <dbernar1> MrJung_: I dont understand your question
[08:07] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: do i delete the period also us.?
[08:07] <dbernar1> yes
[08:07] <dbernar1> mcdenyer: yes
[08:07] <mcdenyer> okty
[08:07] <dbernar1> yup
[08:07] <dbernar1> its a url
[08:07] <mai> MrJung_: it depends on what kind of web-server you're looking at
[08:07] <jewel_> MrJung_: Just the apache2 package is all you need for the web server itself
[08:08] <MrJung_> dbernar1,  need i more as apache2php4 and libapche2-mod-php4 for an webserver ? ,.... i want place this code in a scripte file for automatic install
[08:09] <inemo> "Admiral_Justin: kicks ubuntu for being too stable for his tendancy to break things" from #wordpress ;)
[08:09] <mai> MrJung_: what is your mother language?
[08:09] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: ok just curious but why am i doing thi?
[08:09] <mcdenyer> s
[08:09] <MrJung_> mai,  germany , sorry for the bad english
[08:09] <MrJung_> -y
[08:09] <mai> MrJung_: no it's cool, just trying to see if there was a better channel for you
[08:09] <adwait> Mrjung_ try #ubuntu-de
[08:10] <mai> MrJung_: you don't need anything except apache2 for the webserver, but you may need other stuff (php, mysql, etc) depending on what you want to do w/ it
[08:10] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: shit i dont think ive changed the list yet lol i never saved
[08:10] <mcdenyer> how do u save shit lol i dont see any file> save
[08:10] <steven_> where can i download an example ogg
[08:10] <MrJung_> i am in ther, but nobody knows the prob
[08:10] <dbernar1> MrJung_: yeah, apache or apache2 will do for a web server
[08:10] <adwait> ooh....hmm
[08:10] <thor|afk> mcdenyer: in nano, ctrl-x and then type yes
[08:11] <mcdenyer> ok ty
[08:11] <mcdenyer> hey can somone give me the url to the site with the source.list?
[08:11] <dbernar1> sudo aptitude install apache2
[08:11] <thor|afk> !sources
[08:11] <ubotu> from memory, sources is http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[08:11] <nickrud> steven_ http://fredrik.hubbe.net/plugger/test.html has a decent media test
[08:11] <MrJung_> dbernar1,  thx, but install apt-get all file it needit ? wenn ei place this code in a script ?
[08:11] <MrJung_> ei = i
[08:12] <mcdenyer> thor|afk: hey can u give me the url to that sitre with the source.list i need?
[08:12] <thor|afk> see ubotu above
[08:12] <MrJung_> dbernar1,  ah aptitude is a think i need , not apt-get ? ok thanks
[08:12] <thor|afk> mcdenyer: ^^^
[08:12] <dbernar1> mcdenyer: yes, if you put sudo aptitude install apache2 in a script file, that will install apache2, as a working web server
[08:13] <cafuego> MrJung_: aptitude and apt-get do the same thing
[08:13] <dbernar1> apt-get install is very much the same thing as aptitude install
[08:13] <MrJung_> cafuego,  ah ok, but wat is the deferent ?
[08:13] <dbernar1> very small difference
[08:13] <cafuego> MrJung_: aptitude can also run by itself, apt-get can not.
[08:13] <thor|afk> MrJung_: aptitude is slightly smarter ;)
[08:14] <nickrud> aptititude is just a bit smarter about package dependcy removal
[08:14] <dbernar1> aptitude is a user front end for apt-get
[08:14] <dbernar1> kinda, thats a sentence someone else said
[08:14] <_crimsun> aptitude is a frontend for apt, yes, not for apt-get.
[08:14] <nickrud> dbernar1 not quite, apt-get and aptitude are front ends for apt
[08:14] <mcdenyer> dbernar1: i dont understand how this gives me the new source.list but ok lol
[08:14] <MrJung_> hmm i want install them automatic, i wan't see anythink
[08:14] <ztonzy> hi niket , not from #blender but from #blenderchat
[08:15] <mcdenyer> dbernar1: ok its done... now what do i do?
[08:15] <cafuego> MrJung_: close your eyes after you hit return
[08:15] <_crimsun> aptitude logs attempted actions whereas apt-get doesn't.
[08:15] <ztonzy> oops
[08:15] <dbernar1> mcdenyer: www.mts.net/~danb/sources.list
[08:15] <mcdenyer> ok
[08:15] <dbernar1> mcdenyer: I was not talking to you before.
[08:15] <mcdenyer> lol ok
[08:15] <MrJung_> cafuego,  thanks *g*
[08:15] <nickrud> and aptitude will remove unused packages, keeping a cleaner system
[08:15] <mcdenyer> dbernar1: i just installed that thing
[08:15] <dbernar1> mcdenyer: what did you install, apache2?
[08:15] <dbernar1> :)
[08:15] <mcdenyer> dbernar1: lol yeah
[08:15] <steven_> does anyone know how to change to root
[08:16] <othernoob> mcdenyer, if you edited the sources.list, save it, close it, type sudo apt-get update
[08:16] <steven_> while on a sesion
[08:16] <dbernar1> you can sudo aptitude remove apache2
[08:16] <cafuego> MrJung_: 'apt-get install -y apache2 libapache2-mod-php4'
[08:16] <MrJung_> steven_,  sudo ?
[08:16] <cafuego> MrJung_: That will install apache2 and enable php4.
[08:16] <dbernar1> yes, sudo
[08:16] <tiglionabbit> !sudo
[08:16] <ubotu> hmm... sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:16] <dbernar1> steven, that is for you to read.
[08:16] <mcdenyer> othernoob: yeah i will
[08:16] <nickrud> !sources
[08:16] <ubotu> it has been said that sources is http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[08:16] <steven_> steven@Ubuntu22:~$ /usr/bin/artsd start
[08:16] <steven_> akode: No media loaded
[08:17] <MrJung_> dbernar1,  thats my code -> which  apache2 || apt-get -y install apache2 php4 libapache2-mod-php4
[08:17] <nickrud> lol
[08:17] <lifeless> how to I un-disable the cups web administration ?
[08:17] <dbernar1> no need for the which, I dont see what that would do.
[08:17] <signbarn> what do i type in a terminal to make it so each command i type after that  like typing "sudo" before it?
[08:17] <nickrud> lifeless sudo adduser cupsys shadow, then make changes using web admin, then sudo deluser cupsys shadow
[08:17] <dbernar1> MrJung_: to install anything on a system, you need to be root.
[08:18] <mcdenyer> so do i delete the old source list?
[08:18] <cafuego> MrJung_: Just run 'apt-get -y install apache2 libapache2-mod-php4' - it doesn't matter if they are already installed.
[08:18] <mcdenyer> and replace it with that one?
[08:18] <The_Vox> signbarn: sudo -s
[08:18] <signbarn> thanks, The_Vox
[08:18] <nickrud> lifeless do that each time, it's not advisable to leave cupsys in shadow
[08:18] <dbernar1> mcdenyer: open a terminal in gnome
[08:18] <auk> signbarn: sudo bash
[08:18] <mcdenyer> yeah i know
[08:18] <dbernar1> mcdenyer: then, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:18] <mcdenyer> yeah
[08:18] <signbarn> is that prefered over running the root terminal program?
[08:18] <MrJung_> dbernar1, i want write an install script, in there is an root checking
[08:18] <lifeless> nickrud: do I need to hup cupsd ?
[08:18] <dbernar1> then, replace everything there with what you want there.
[08:18] <auk> don't know
[08:19] <nickrud> lifeless yeah, I forgot the cupsys restart after each group change
[08:19] <lifeless> nickrud: oh, and thanks
[08:19] <auk> don' thtink it really make sa diff
[08:19] <mcdenyer> dbernar1: then do i delte the source list or add on to it?
[08:19] <nickrud> lifeless np, I beat my head against that until someone helped me out
[08:19] <MrJung_> thanks for helping to me :)
[08:19] <dbernar1> mcdenyer: replace everything with the new one, save, close gedit, and in the same terminal, type in sudo aptitude update
[08:20] <othernoob> mcdenyer you alter the sources.list and simply save it.
[08:20] <cafuego> how useful, a floor plan without dimensions :-P
[08:20] <dbernar1> MrJung_: if the user is not root, and you run that script, it will not works
[08:20] <dbernar1> if the user that runs the script is not a sudoer, he can not insatll anything
[08:21] <TokenBad> does proftpd have gui?
[08:21] <dbernar1> MrJung_: if you add sudo in front of the apt-get, and the user is a sudoer, the script will ask the user for his password, and after he types it in, he will be able to install apache
[08:21] <The_Vox> TokenBad: no
[08:21] <dbernar1> TokenBad: for what?
[08:21] <dbernar1> I mean, what would you do, change the config file?
[08:21] <TokenBad> don't know..a friend was asking me
[08:22] <sono> Hello  friends.
[08:22] <dbernar1> yo
[08:22] <jasmuz> sono: hello there
[08:22] <MrJung_> function S3 (){
[08:22] <MrJung_> 	if [ `whoami` = "root" ] then ...do any.....   i have this in the script as first
[08:22] <dbernar1> hey, friend:)
[08:23] <sono> I am trying to clean and recreate a bug that makes VIA sound chipsets to produce slight audio crackles.
[08:23] <dbernar1> MrJung_: I dont know that much about scripting, or the shell, so I cant tell you if that will work
[08:23] <cafuego> MrJung_: test $(id) -eq 0 || ( echo You need to be root && exit 1)
[08:23] <mcdenyer> dbernar1: ok its working
[08:23] <dbernar1> mcdenyer: good stuff
[08:23] <sono> I have been testing and recompiling my audio apps looking for the source of the problem.
[08:23] <mcdenyer> dbernar1: thanks alot
[08:24] <_crimsun> sono: snd_via82xx?
[08:24] <dbernar1> welcome
[08:24] <cafuego> Hmm, typical.
[08:24] <TokenBad> TokenBad what would you use gui for anyway?
[08:24] <TokenBad> phaedrus so configure users groups and directories and shit like that
[08:24] <TokenBad> thats what he said
[08:24] <sono> right  _crimsun (by the way, hi crimsun, is nice to drop here and see you again, you maybe don't know but have supported me looots of times)
[08:24] <cafuego> MrJung_: test $(id -u) -eq 0 || ( echo You need to be root && exit 1)
[08:24] <MrJung_> cafuego,  oh it is shorter thanks
[08:25] <cafuego> MrJung_: Don't forget the '-u'
[08:25] <_crimsun> sono: default alsa on hoary? (1.0.6)
[08:25] <dbernar1> TokenBad: ya, thats config file editing, I guess there is not, open the config file though, it is very nicely commented.
[08:25] <sono> right _crimsun
[08:25] <sono> well
[08:25] <_crimsun> sono: using alsa directly or esound/polypaudio?
[08:25] <sono> wait, not for de via
[08:25] <sono> using esd and oss
[08:25] <mcdenyer> after i install something like vlc where do i goto run it?
[08:25] <auk> now i'm being kicked off the comp, see ya all tomorrow :(
[08:25] <mcdenyer> where is it lol
[08:26] <_crimsun> sono: alsa's oss emulation or oss/free?
[08:26] <sono> the only way I can default to alsa is when using M-AUDIO DUO USB
[08:26] <dbernar1> a terminal, or Applications menu>Sound& Video
[08:26] <dbernar1> mcdenyer: ^^
[08:26] <sono> OSS Emulation
[08:26] <mcdenyer> ok ty
[08:26] <MrJung_> cafuego,  thank you very much
[08:26] <dbernar1> bye auk.
[08:26] <sono> but hold, even using XMMS with plain X
[08:26] <mcdenyer> dbernar1: whats the command in terminal to run vlc?
[08:26] <dbernar1> vlc
[08:27] <dbernar1> likely
[08:27] <_crimsun> sono: does plughw:0,0 work (presuming snd_via82xx is driver 0)
[08:27] <mcdenyer> just vlc?
[08:27] <lifeless> nickrud: yay, new printer working. Thanks!
[08:27] <sono> let me see...
[08:27] <dbernar1> mcdenyer: try
[08:27] <othernoob> mcdenyer yes
[08:27] <mcdenyer> ok sweet it worked
[08:27] <dbernar1> or go Applications>Sound and Video
[08:27] <sono> I have not tried it yet
[08:27] <dbernar1> ya, it does:)
[08:27] <nickrud> lifeless np, and, it was good you proofread :)
[08:27] <lifeless> ;)
[08:27] <dbernar1> anyone in cst, is it really 1:27?
[08:28] <dbernar1> bah, I have the dumbest qyestions.
[08:28] <dbernar1> there is only a million other places I could find out.
[08:28] <cafuego> Fri Jul  8 16:28:43 EST 2005
[08:28] <umar> hello all
[08:29] <dbernar1> hi, umar
[08:29] <umar> i need to download ubuntu 5.04 kernel source
[08:29] <_crimsun> why yes, it's actually 1:29, dbernar1
[08:29] <mcdenyer> dbernar1: it worked
[08:29] <_crimsun> umar: linux-source-2.6.10
[08:29] <nickrud> dbernar1 san antonio time matches
[08:29] <dbernar1> thanks.
[08:29] <umar> yp
[08:29] <umar> linux-source-2.6.10
[08:29] <jasmuz> good night kiddies
[08:29] <sono> _crimsun: I am about to test the output of xmms using the plughw:0,0 output
[08:29] <umar> how can i install
[08:29] <dbernar1> can you compile a kernel and then not use it? you can, right?
[08:30] <_crimsun> sono: for the alsa output plugin
[08:30] <nickrud> dbernar1 yes, only if you add the kernel to grub, and then choose to use it.
[08:30] <thoreauputic> dbernar1: when in doubt re: time >>  sudo /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart   ;)
[08:30] <sono> _crimsun: yep
[08:30] <trebuchet> the audio on my system is working, but for some reason its not working in tuxracer
[08:31] <trebuchet> "Reason: No available audio device"
[08:31] <_crimsun> trebuchet: disable esd before playing tuxracer
[08:31] <dbernar1> thoreauputic: even when I am not sure the time zone and hardware clock are correct?
[08:31] <steven_> I GOT SOUND WORKING!
[08:31] <thoreauputic> trebuchet: try killall esd before running it
[08:31] <cafuego> According to 'date' it's 06:31 in CST
[08:31] <steven_> WOOOT!
[08:31] <The_Vox> steven_: congrats
[08:31] <thoreauputic> dbernar1: ah, that's different, agreed :)
[08:31] <nickrud> lol, that's not what my watch says
[08:31] <dbernar1> ya, I was not sure, cause of cdt.
[08:31] <steven_> wait
[08:31] <steven_> i have a problem though
[08:31] <steven_> i cant get sounds on
[08:32] <steven_> some programs but i can get them working on mp3s
[08:32] <mcdenyer> how do i play a dvd on this thing?
[08:32] <steven_> whats the deal
[08:32] <dbernar1> mcdenyer: not easy.
[08:32] <mcdenyer> dbernar1: lol
[08:32] <dbernar1> serious
[08:32] <_crimsun> steven_: what program are you using to play mp3s?
[08:32] <dbernar1> I had a girl fall asleep here, trying to get it working.
[08:32] <Madpilot> mcdenyer: put it in the DVD player. Totem should play it
[08:32] <steven_> xmms
[08:32] <dbernar1> not much easier on windows, I myst confess,
[08:32] <_crimsun> steven_: is xmms using esound output?
[08:33] <steven_> i have no clue
[08:33] <steven_> what esound  is
[08:33] <_crimsun> steven_: what does it say in the preferences for audio output plugin?
[08:33] <mcdenyer> Madpilot: no totem says it cant play dvds
[08:33] <othernoob> dbernar1 doesn't vlc play dvds?
[08:33] <sono> _crimsun: ok... this is pretty interesting, little cracking was reduced, but didn't dissapeared; is there a buffering or sound chunk priority parameter set for the ALSA Playback code?
[08:33] <othernoob> as well as mplayer?
[08:33] <dbernar1> othernoob: no idea, I know its not easy, prove me wrong.
[08:33] <_crimsun> sono: yes, there's a /proc entry
[08:33] <dbernar1> its all dma unenabled, and stuff.
[08:33] <sono> hmmm...
[08:33] <othernoob> dbernar1 i'll try
[08:34] <_crimsun> sono: keep in mind you can also adjust the buffer parameters from within alsa
[08:34] <steven_> oss driver 1.2.10
[08:34] <_crimsun> sono: rather, xmms
[08:34] <_crimsun> steven_: change it to esound
[08:34] <steven_> how
[08:34] <sono> _crimsun: ok... anyway I only use xmms for testing
[08:34] <steven_> wait ok
[08:34] <dbernar1> click on the drop down.
[08:34] <steven_> ill do that
[08:35] <steven_> now that i changed it to esound
[08:35] <steven_> it doesnt work
[08:35] <dbernar1> hehe, crimsun misread.
[08:35] <_crimsun> steven_: make sure esd is running
[08:35] <dbernar1> or maybe not...
[08:35] <steven_> it says "your soundcard is configure properly you have the correct out put plugin selected no other program is blocking the sound card"
[08:35] <steven_> Oh before all that it says "Pease check that"
[08:36] <_crimsun> steven_: pgrep esd
[08:36] <dbernar1> if it gives you a number, its good.
[08:36] <steven_> _crimsun, is there any way i can just put it as the oss plugin
[08:36] <steven_> for all my sound
[08:36] <othernoob> dbernar1 just put Pumping Iron in my dvddrive and I don't wanna sound like a queer or nothing, but Arnold is sexy ;)
[08:36] <dbernar1> or rather running.
[08:36] <dbernar1> bah,.
[08:37] <dbernar1> working all good, and not choppy?
[08:37] <othernoob> dbernar1 yea
[08:37] <dbernar1> othernoob: and you did not enable dma?
[08:37] <_crimsun> steven_: not unless your hardware supports it, which it doesn't seem to
[08:37] <othernoob> i enabled dma the day i installed kubuntu
[08:37] <othernoob> so, yes it's enabled
[08:38] <dbernar1> othernoob: wanna share how, the wiki changed, and no longer has that shown in a simple,. ubuntuguide, type of way...
[08:38] <dbernar1> wanna share how?
[08:38] <othernoob> phew. it's been a while..
[08:38] <steven_> _crimsun, i put pgrep esd but for some reason it hasnt responded
[08:38] <mcdenyer> is kubuntu better then ubuntu/???
[08:38] <dbernar1> it is different, try and tell us if it is better.
[08:38] <Tomcat_> mcdenyer: No... the questions is if you want to use KDE or Gnome.
[08:39] <steven_> mcdenyer, it depend
[08:39] <_linuxAS_> wenaz
[08:39] <thoreauputic> mcdenyer: kubuntu is the same as ubuntu except it uses KDE
[08:39] <mcdenyer> oh ok
[08:39] <Tomcat_> mcdenyer: Nonetheless I'd say Ubuntu is better, because the KDE is not as well packaged... unfortunately.
[08:39] <dbernar1> so very different...:)
[08:39] <mcdenyer> ok
[08:39] <cafuego> mcdenyer: That said, if you install ubuntu, you can add on KDE and vice versa.
[08:39] <steven_> can i download esd
[08:39] <mcdenyer> what do most people use?
[08:39] <Tomcat_> mcdenyer: Gnome/Ubuntu.
[08:39] <cafuego> steven_: esd is already installed if you use ubuntu.
[08:39] <nickrud> and, there's no reason that kde will not be as well packaged in the future
[08:39] <thoreauputic> steven_: you don't need to - it's installed by default
[08:40] <_linuxAS_> mcdenyer, 3.000.000 ubuntu and 3500000 kubuntu
[08:40] <cafuego> steven_: 'dpkg -l esound'
[08:40] <dbernar1> steven_: type in esd in a terminal, and tell us if that makes sounds.
[08:40] <nickrud> although, I'll never know, but by hearsay :)
[08:40] <_linuxAS_> xDDD
[08:40] <_crimsun> steven_: do you mean it returned to a prompt immediately, or did the command hang?
[08:40] <dbernar1> _linuxAS_: you know that for a fact?
[08:40] <mcdenyer> so more people use kubuntu
[08:41] <Tomcat_> I doubt that... :o
[08:41] <_linuxAS_> dbernar1, suere
[08:41] <steven_> _crimsun it just hung
[08:41] <_linuxAS_> dbernar1, sure
[08:41] <cafuego> mcdenyer: You should use what YOU want, not what OTHERS want or use.
[08:41] <mcdenyer> lol
[08:41] <mcdenyer> i know
[08:41] <cafuego> mcdenyer: Why not try both and see which is nicer?
[08:41] <mcdenyer> just curious
[08:41] <mcdenyer> good idea
[08:41] <steven_> YES IT MADE A SOUND
[08:41] <beatyou> hi, i accidently removed my /etc/apache2 thinking an apt-get install apache2 would REPLACE them, but it didn't so now i can't restore the /etc/apache2 files
[08:41] <steven_> I PUSHED ESD AND IT MADE A SOUND
[08:41] <beatyou> i tried this -> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=33130
[08:41] <Tomcat_> cafuego: Having what most people have has advantages though... that's how I choose my packets. I know it's kinda stupid. ;)
[08:41] <dbernar1> we see small letters.
[08:41] <dbernar1> steven_: follow crimsun .
[08:41] <thoreauputic> mcdenyer: kubuntu is still ubuntu - just a different desktop
[08:42] <cafuego> Tomcat_: Is that why you're running Windows 98?
[08:42] <mcdenyer> yeah i know
[08:42] <nickrud> lets,see, 435 total on #ubuntu, 86 on #kubuntu
[08:42] <_crimsun> steven_: not the ,,esd'' command but the ,,pgrep esd'' command
[08:42] <Tomcat_> cafuego: Nah, only for the packages... I do run Ubuntu on all important machines. :)
[08:42] <othernoob> dbernar1 did you get the query?
[08:42] <cafuego> Tomcat_: But that's not what most people use ;-)
[08:42] <Tomcat_> :P
[08:42] <dbernar1> othernoob: I am using irssi, and dont know anything..
[08:42] <steven_> _crimsun i put pgrep esd but i havent got anything yet
[08:42] <dbernar1> I got it, it says act 3
[08:43] <steven_> ok i got an output
[08:43] <steven_> it said
[08:43] <beatyou> anyone help me out please ? heh
[08:43] <steven_> 20876
[08:43] <othernoob> dbernar lol thats ok ;) open a konsole and type sudo hdparm -v /dev/hd* where * is your drive
[08:43] <othernoob> then you'll see whether dma is enabled or not
[08:43] <_crimsun> steven_: before or after you executed esd manually?
[08:43] <steven_> steven@Ubuntu22:~$ pgrep esd
[08:43] <steven_> 20876
[08:43] <othernoob> to enable it, type sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hd*
[08:43] <othernoob> d0 to disable
[08:44] <steven_> after
[08:44] <dbernar1> sorry crimsun .
[08:44] <dbernar1> othernoob: thank you.
[08:44] <steven_> _crimsun, what should i do now
[08:44] <_crimsun> steven_: in System> Preferences> Multimedia Systems Selector> Default audio sink, what is it set to?
[08:45] <_crimsun> dbernar1: no need to apologise
[08:45] <dbernar1> k^_^
[08:45] <dbernar1> not as cute as when not in a console...
[08:46] <dbernar1> let me see how the dvd playsnow.
[08:46] <othernoob> dbernar1 no problem
[08:46] <steven_> im trying to look for the multimedia systems selector but im on xfce
[08:46] <dbernar1> damn, I got goo all over the rented dvd...
[08:46] <rob^> is there any reason why gdesklets doesn't work?
[08:47] <_crimsun> steven_: oh! well that's why... all your apps are still configured to use esound, but esd isn't invoked automatically by Xfce
[08:47] <dbernar1> rob^: for me, it is that I dont know how to use it.
[08:47] <rob^> all I get is a blank box appear on screen when I try to run one
[08:47] <thoreauputic> rob^: tht it's rubbish ? *ducks*
[08:47] <steven_> so how do i do that _crimsun
[08:47] <rob^> thoreauputic, is there anything better?
[08:47] <nickrud> rob^ scrub that stuff
[08:47] <dbernar1> you invoke it as you did in terminal, esd
[08:48] <thoreauputic> rob^: I wouldn't know - I run fluxbox :)
[08:48] <rob^> gdesklets seems like a good idea, its broken as all heck though
[08:48] <nickrud> rob^ just find apps that give you the results, maybe gkrellm can be a start
[08:49] <thoreauputic> rob^: last time I played with gdesklets it ate my CPU for breakfast , so ...
[08:49] <steven_> _crimsun, any suggestions
[08:49] <rob^> I was just after a simple rss aggreagator for my desktop :(
[08:49] <thoreauputic> rob^: liferea
[08:49] <thoreauputic> or straw
[08:49] <_crimsun> steven_: dbernar1 answered that question
[08:49] <nickrud> I use liferea
[08:49] <rob^> thoreauputic, thanks
[08:50] <steven_> i invoke it?
[08:50] <steven_> what just type esd?
[08:50] <_crimsun> steven_: yep
[08:50] <steven_> AWESOME
[08:50] <steven_> it works
[08:50] <_crimsun> steven_: out of curiosity, cat /proc/asound/modules
[08:51] <steven_> 0 snd_cs46xx
[08:51] <thoreauputic> rob^: liferea has a gnome applet thing that sits in the notification area, by the way
[08:51] <steven_> do i have to type esd everytime i load the compt
[08:51] <dbernar1> my dvd is still choppy, should I I guess just try a different program to run it?
[08:51] <_crimsun> steven_: interesting. That driver supports multiopen, but does your hardware?
[08:51] <steven_> wat do you mean
[08:51] <dbernar1> :)
[08:51] <_crimsun> steven_: what's the actual sound card?
[08:52] <steven_> cirrus sound fusion cs46
[08:52] <_crimsun> not a laptop, correct?
[08:52] <steven_> yeah it is a laptop
[08:53] <_crimsun> ah, the plot thickens
[08:53] <vladuz976> hi, the little icons on the gnome menu bar for the running gaim for instance or other running applications are gone. anybody know how i can restore it.
[08:53] <steven_> lol why is that bad
[08:53] <_crimsun> steven_: ok, you may not even need esd
[08:53] <othernoob> dbernar1 if i remember correctly, you may also have to edit /etc/hdparm.conf and append /dev/hd* { dma=on } at the end
[08:53] <_crimsun> steven_: kill esd, then change xmms to use oss output again
[08:54] <steven_> wait _crimsun i got sound working though
[08:54] <dbernar1> vladuz976: tried killall gnome-panel?
[08:54] <_crimsun> steven_: that's fine, but now we're testing a hopefully more optimal solution
[08:54] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: you might have accidentally removed the notification area
[08:54] <dbernar1> othernoob: but, that is prolly only to enable it on boot, right?
[08:54] <steven_> ok _crimsun tell me what to do
[08:54] <vladuz976> dbernar1: yes, i actually followed a how to on the forum to get rid of the gnome foot in the panel, unfortunately that also removed te rest
[08:55] <_crimsun> steven_: did you change xmms back to oss?
[08:55] <beatyou> hi, i accidently removed my /etc/apache2 thinking an apt-get install apache2 would REPLACE them, but it didn't so now i can't restore the /etc/apache2 files
[08:55] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: try right clicking the panel and adding a notification area
[08:55] <beatyou> i tried this -> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=33130
[08:55] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: i think i did. it's really inconvenient. i used to have gaim just running there without the window open
[08:55] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: let me try
[08:55] <othernoob> dbernar1 i'm not sure anymore. i did both, because i read both in the wiki back then
[08:55] <steven_> yes
[08:55] <cafuego> !forums 33130
[08:55] <steven_> _crimsun i changed it
[08:55] <dbernar1> vladuz976: oh, so the system tray thing?
[08:56] <ubotu> Forums: Thread 33130 is: Ubuntu Forums - Apache2 directoy structure
[08:56] <dbernar1> damn scrolling thing:)
[08:56] <vladuz976> dbernar1: yes
[08:56] <thoreauputic> dbernar1: it's called "notification" in gnome I believe
[08:56] <_crimsun> steven_: did you pkill esd?
[08:56] <cafuego> beatyou: 'dpkg -i --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/atchives/apache2*deb'
[08:56] <dbernar1> vladuz976: then, yes, a notification thing will do it.
[08:56] <vladuz976> dbernar1: i don't remember where i found the post tho
[08:56] <Hackmo> Hey all, anyone got any ideas on how to get my webcam working?
[08:57] <steven_> kill esd?
[08:57] <vladuz976> dbernar1: i just added one, but no differnce
[08:57] <cafuego> beatyou: the '--force-confmiss' will make it replace missing config files.
[08:57] <dbernar1> vladuz976: hm...check that it is enabled to have a system tray icon?
[08:57] <steven_> aright i killed esd
[08:57] <beatyou> cafuego hmm
[08:57] <dbernar1> call 911.
[08:57] <vladuz976> dbernar1: i don't even get the icon up thre
[08:57] <lcore> OT: Want to buy 2 wireless PCI Cards to connect Debian serv with Ubuntu desktop. Which manufacturer will you suggest (cheap but enough to connect within a range of 50m^2 flat)? Which cards will be no problem to configure on both machines?
[08:58] <steven_> now the sound dont work
[08:58] <_crimsun> steven_: ok, that's good.
[08:58] <dbernar1> steven_: its a start...
[08:58] <cafuego> lcore: Check which cards are supported by the kernel, then get one of those.
[08:58] <steven_> soo starting up esd was the whole thing
[08:58] <_crimsun> steven_: now, since esd is not running and xmms is configured to use oss, xmms should work
[08:58] <Imsdle> when i open evolution it just hangs and my harddisk goes flat out
[08:58] <steven_> lol
[08:59] <Imsdle> does anyoen know how i can reinstall it or something
[08:59] <sono> _crimsun: hmmm well, I still raised buffers to the top, getting no better output.  Volumes indeed are under 30%, but the cracking is still present...
[08:59] <_crimsun> steven_: the entire point of this conversation, btw, is to drop esd completely, since it's highly suboptimal if your hardware can handle multiopen natively
[08:59] <steven_> yeah
[08:59] <steven_> true
[08:59] <steven_> so esd isnt that great
[08:59] <beatyou> cafuego: still get same error
[08:59] <dbernar1> steven_: for your hardware, it is not.
[09:00] <thoreauputic> Imsdle: have you tried running evolution from a terminal to see if there are error messages?
[09:00] <steven_> ok i have another problem
[09:00] <steven_> i want to see
[09:00] <steven_> if we can figure out
[09:00] <vladuz976> dbernar1: you think i should restart the panel after adding the notification area
[09:00] <_crimsun> steven_: not quite finished with sound.
[09:00] <dbernar1> maybe, i dont think so, you should restart gaim, tho.
[09:00] <Imsdle> ummm no how do i do that
[09:00] <steven_> were not
[09:00] <_crimsun> steven_: did you test xmms?
[09:00] <sono> _crimsun: now I will test on the file format end... going to Audacity.
[09:00] <steven_> yes i did
[09:00] <nickrud> steven_ I've use the same driver, and it works very nicely as _crimsun will tell you
[09:00] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: yes, try killall gnome-panel
[09:01] <_crimsun> sono: via onboard, unfortunately, is highly suspect
[09:01] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: didn't do anythign
[09:01] <steven_> _crimsun should i test xmms on esd or oss
[09:01] <dbernar1> vladuz976: restarted gaim?
[09:01] <_crimsun> steven_: oss, since esd isn't running
[09:01] <steven_> oss works
[09:01] <steven_> when ess isnt on
[09:01] <dbernar1> good
[09:01] <dbernar1> or excellent even.
[09:01] <vladuz976> dbernar1: yes
[09:01] <ksmurf> I'm getting this error trying to set samba up.  What do I do?  * Starting Samba daemons..                                              [fail]
[09:01] <ksmurf> invoke-rc.d: initscript samba, action "start" failed.
[09:02] <beatyou> cafuego: still a blank /etc/apache2
[09:02] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: do any apps show in the notification area? eg music player/rhythmbox?
[09:02] <vladuz976> not there tho
[09:02] <_crimsun> steven_: ok. Now, execute gstreamer-properties
[09:02] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: no
[09:02] <thoreauputic> hmm
[09:02] <thoreauputic> odd
[09:02] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: have rhythmbox playing, but doesn't show
[09:03] <sono> _crimsun... hehe yeah.  In fact I work with the USB Duo for real work; but sometimes I need to do eventual quick on the road tasks with the Via
[09:03] <steven_> ok _crimsun im at gstreamer properties
[09:03] <Imsdle> how do i run evolution in terminal
[09:03] <dbernar1> evolution<enter>
[09:03] <Imsdle> dohhh oh :P
[09:03] <thoreauputic> Imsdle: :)
[09:03] <nickrud> lol
[09:04] <_crimsun> steven_: in the audio sink section, set it to oss
[09:04] <Imsdle> es menu class init
[09:04] <Imsdle> adding hook target 'source'
[09:04] <Imsdle> (evolution:1077): camel-WARNING **: Invalid root: '/home/melissa/.evolution/mail/local/Outbox.ibex.index'
[09:04] <Imsdle> (evolution:1077): camel-WARNING **: version: TEXT.000 (TEXT.000)
[09:04] <Imsdle> (evolution:1077): camel-WARNING **: block size: 1024 (1024) OK
[09:04] <Imsdle> (evolution:1077): camel-WARNING **: free: 0 (0 add size < 1024) OK
[09:04] <Imsdle> (evolution:1077): camel-WARNING **: last: 6144 (6144 and size: 1024) BAD
[09:04] <Imsdle> (evolution:1077): camel-WARNING **: flags: unSYNC
[09:04] <_crimsun> whoa
[09:04] <Imsdle> update flow align
[09:04] <nickrud> Imsdle not good to flood
[09:04] <steven_> set everything to oss?
[09:04] <_crimsun> steven_: just audio sink
[09:05] <steven_> the default sink was on esd
[09:05] <steven_> i mean
[09:05] <mcdenyer> ok im out all later and ty for all the help
[09:05] <steven_> yeah
[09:05] <steven_> and the default saurce was on oss
[09:05] <_crimsun> steven_: default sink -> oss
[09:05] <dbernar1> mcdenyer: see ya
[09:05] <steven_> ok
[09:05] <dbernar1> Imsdle: melissa?
[09:06] <nickrud> Imsdle, and, do you have use of evolution? (gtk/gnome programs sometimes flood warnings about recoverable things)
[09:06] <steven_> what should i set the default source as _crimsun
[09:06] <Imsdle> no.. im am melissa's husband
[09:06] <Imsdle> :P
[09:06] <mypapit> hmm.. anybody here?
[09:06] <_crimsun> steven_: don't worry about the source.
[09:06] <dbernar1> nickrud: evolution locks up, and the hard drivge too.
[09:06] <steven_> ok
[09:06] <dbernar1> mypapit: none.
[09:06] <_crimsun> steven_: now, play a song in xmms
[09:06] <nickrud> oh.
[09:07] <thoreauputic> mypapit: you're all alone..
[09:07] <_crimsun> steven_: while that song's playing, press the Test button in the default sink
[09:07] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: no more idea on how i could fix it?
[09:08] <steven_> ok
[09:08] <steven_> everything seems to be working good
[09:08] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: all I can think of is to see if the notification is enabled in the apps you are using
[09:08] <_crimsun> steven_: both play simultaneously, correct?
[09:08] <steven_> yes
[09:08] <steven_> they do
[09:08] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: that is a very odd thing then. i will post on the forum then
[09:08] <_crimsun> steven_: excellent, problem solved. Toss esd out the window.
[09:08] <dbernar1> vladuz976: checked that the system tray plugin is working?
[09:08] <steven_> sweet
[09:08] <dbernar1> see I was gonna write that.
[09:08] <vladuz976> dbernar1: how?
[09:08] <steven_> now _crimsun will these setting save for my gnome , kubuntu , and gnome
[09:09] <nickrud> I've used evo from it's alpha versions, I'd start by moving .evolution to evolution-totally-screwed, and logging out, making sure gconfd is not running, and removing any evolution keys.
[09:09] <dbernar1> open the buddy llist, use ctrl+p as a keyboard shortcut to properties, and see in the pugin section
[09:09] <dbernar1> steven_: yes, it is set up on a level before the desktop
[09:09] <steven_> ok sounds good
[09:10] <steven_> now let me ask you guys something am i able to watch music videos lets say from launch.com using the firefox
[09:10] <_crimsun> steven_: if you run gnome again, you will have to ensure that esd isn't executed automatically.
[09:10] <Imsdle> how do i uninstall then reinstall?
[09:10] <dbernar1> steven_: how about we ask you that...
[09:10] <_crimsun> steven_: that's set in System> Preferences> Sound> uncheck the Enable sound server startup
[09:10] <steven_> ok so ill kill esdand run gstreamer properties
[09:10] <_crimsun> steven_: nope, no need to touch gstreamer-properties again
[09:10] <dbernar1> steven_: properties are good now
[09:10] <nickrud> logged out, rm -r ~/.gconf/apps/evolution
[09:11] <steven_> ok
[09:11] <dbernar1> you can euitehr killall manually, or set it up as he said
[09:11] <steven_> ok so should i change anything now
[09:11] <dbernar1> 1st option does not really make sense, tho.
[09:11] <steven_> can i go on gnome
[09:11] <steven_> and everything will be the same
[09:12] <dbernar1> go to gnome, system>prefs>sound>uncheck the enable sound server startup, and from thereon you are fine for gnome
[09:12] <vladuz976> dbernar1: how can i make sure the plugin is working?
[09:12] <othernoob> dbernar1: http://ubuntuguide.org/#speedupcddvdrom <<
[09:13] <dbernar1> vladuz976: did you see if the system tray plugin is checked in plugins?
[09:13] <dbernar1> othernoob: thanks again,
[09:13] <vladuz976> dbernar1: where do you check the plugings?
[09:14] <ksmurf> I got this error http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/309342 trying to install samba.  Is thta normal?
[09:14] <dbernar1> told you, buddy list>ctrl+p
[09:14] <othernoob> dbernar1 you're welcome
[09:15] <Imsdle> how do i install again from my local drive not from the internet!
[09:15] <Imsdle> apt-get install evolution
[09:15] <Imsdle> ??
[09:15] <Imsdle> i dont' want to redownload it
[09:15] <dbernar1> ksmurf: why backports?
[09:16] <othernoob> Imsdle: if you have a .deb then dpkg -i bla.deb
[09:16] <thoreauputic> Imsdle: it may stillbe in your apt cache - but I don't think reinstalling will fix a config problem
[09:16] <dbernar1> dpkg-reconfigure?
[09:17] <nickrud> Imsdle the quick check would be to create a new user, and see if evolution will run for that user
[09:17] <thoreauputic> Imsdle: listen to nickrud
[09:17] <mrpsycho> does anyone know if the 2.6.10-5 standard ubuntu kernels contain reiserfs support?
[09:18] <thoreauputic> mrpsycho: yes, of course
[09:18] <mrpsycho> why do I get a message that says ext3 not found on root partition when I boot?
[09:18] <dbernar1> grub?
[09:18] <othernoob> thoreauputic: but not in 686 or?
[09:19] <mrpsycho> grub seems fine, its pointed at the right partition
[09:19] <thoreauputic> othernoob: AFAIK all the kernels support reiserfs
[09:19] <babyfire> hello again
[09:19] <mrpsycho> and it still boots
[09:19] <babyfire> i have learned sooo much today
[09:19] <othernoob> mrpsycho afaik, that's just a minor bug
[09:19] <mrpsycho> oh, phew
[09:19] <thoreauputic> mrpsycho: well, if it ain't broke, don't fix it
[09:19] <mrpsycho> thx good to know
[09:19] <othernoob> mrpsycho: used to get the same message when i used reiser
[09:19] <dbernar1> mrpsycho: maybe your fstab says root is ext3? dunno.
[09:19] <babyfire> and i am still over my head in linux swamp
[09:20] <thoreauputic> babyfire: it gets easier :)
[09:20] <babyfire> i figured out my problem last tiem but i am haveing a problem whith what hte files are actually named
[09:20] <babyfire> sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[09:20] <babyfire> doesnt exist
[09:20] <babyfire> and i think i should
[09:21] <thoreauputic> !repos
[09:21] <ubotu> rumour has it, repos is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[09:21] <thoreauputic> babyfire: read that URL
[09:21] <othernoob> thoreauputic: are the 2.6.11 686 kernels stable now?
[09:21] <The_Vox> babyfire: do "sudo aptitude" and you can do searches for partial names in there using /
[09:21] <thoreauputic> othernoob: no, and never will be
[09:21] <The_Vox> babyfire: then just + g g to install.
[09:21] <othernoob> thoreauputic: why :/
[09:21] <dbernar1> even numbers are stable
[09:21] <The_Vox> babyfire: ? to get help
[09:21] <babyfire> that all makes no sense at all
[09:21] <thoreauputic> othernoob: 2.6.11 was a snapshot and isn't supported AFAIK
[09:21] <babyfire> but i have a clue
[09:22] <babyfire> thank you
[09:22] <babyfire> very much
[09:22] <cafuego> !find flashplayer
[09:22] <othernoob> dbernar1: that only goes for the second value, ie 2.*6*....
[09:22] <Madpilot> to update Opera to 8.01, I just run "dpkg -i opera.bla.deb" and it'll overwrite/preserve as needed?
[09:22] <ubotu> flashplayer-mozilla: (Macromedia Flash Player), section multiverse/web, is optional. Version: 7.0.25-0.0 (hoary), Packaged size: 956 kB, Installed size: 2136 kB
[09:22] <dbernar1> thoreauputic: the even numbers are stable, odd are dev, that is how that works.
[09:22] <The_Vox> babyfire: aptitude is a graphical-almost package manager for console that works pretty well
[09:22] <cafuego> babyfire: Add multiverse to yuor sources.list fine.
[09:23] <dbernar1> ah, I knew there was some thing going on with those numbers.
[09:23] <cafuego> Madpilot: it will remove files from the previous version and replace them with the 8.0.1 files
[09:23] <ksmurf> db thanks
[09:23] <thoreauputic> dbernar1: that's a change from 2.4.* then - it used to be 2.3, 2.5 were the unstable branches
[09:23] <Madpilot> cafuego: what's that going to mean to my own config/bookmark/etc files? Haven't upgraded O in Linux before...
[09:23] <dbernar1> ksmurf: that solved it? nice.
[09:23] <othernoob> thoreauputic: so, when will there be a new kernel
[09:24] <cafuego> Madpilot: They will be saved (They're in ~/.opera, which the installer won't touch)
[09:24] <thoreauputic> othernoob: for breezy - October
[09:24] <babyfire> sudo aptitude is sooooo great
[09:24] <babyfire> thank you
[09:24] <thoreauputic> othernoob: 2.6.12 I guess
[09:24] <othernoob> October is a long time
[09:24] <The_Vox> babyfire: np :)
[09:24] <dbernar1> its soon, october, thats my birth month...
[09:24] <othernoob> a looong time
[09:24] <thoreauputic> othernoob: heh - how old are you ? ;-)
[09:24] <othernoob> what am I supposed to do until then :/
[09:24] <othernoob> i'm 22
[09:24] <dbernar1> there is a new version for all my birthdays:)
[09:25] <cafuego> '/msg ubotu kernel' for kernel info :-)
[09:25] <Madpilot> cafuego: OK, thnx. Been putting off the upgrade, not smart because it's a security upgrade...
[09:26] <The_Vox> btw, being new to kde and kubuntu...is the "kalypso team" often mentioned on the kubuntu wiki still active? I've never been able to get to their website\
[09:26] <dbernar1> im off, later.
[09:26] <cafuego> Madpilot: the dpkg package format should never overwite customised config files without 1) asking and 2) making a backup.
[09:26] <othernoob> cya dbernar1
[09:27] <Madpilot> cafuego: good to know. signing off now to upgrade Opera...
[09:29] <us3rX> I have a laptop sitting here with no OS on it, but a friend told me to try ubuntu, it had windows on it, but i formated it and now its blank, i have an adapter so i can hook the laptop hdd to this computer, i am wondering how can i install ubuntu on it with out cds' cuz for some reason the cd rom on my laptop doesnt want to read the cd :( so i thought maybe i can install it from this hdd to the other... is this possible? lol
[09:30] <Hackmo> so hey all, anyone think they can help me with a problem i'm having?
[09:30] <adwait> us3rx: um....maybe ur bios isnt configured to boot of CDs  in the laptop, cuz i donno anyway to install off the HDD and the residesnt experts seem to be away :)
[09:31] <adwait> Hackmo: u gotta ask....thn we can try to answer
[09:31] <cafuego> us3rX: You could try with bootleable floppies or perhaps via the network.
[09:31] <us3rX> i changed the bios to floppy>dc>hdd and still nothing
[09:31] <cafuego> us3rX: Can other machines boot that cd?
[09:31] <us3rX> yeah
[09:31] <ksmurf> is ther a way to see shared folders?
[09:32] <us3rX> its the laptop cd rom i think
[09:32] <adwait> us3rx: can ur laptop boot of CDs in general?
[09:32] <us3rX> no
[09:32] <adwait> aah
[09:32] <us3rX> yeah its gay
[09:32] <us3rX> :(
[09:32] <us3rX> lol
[09:32] <Hackmo> adwait: I'm having problems with my webcam, it's the only phillips cam that should work out of the box with Ubuntu...but it doesn't
[09:32] <cafuego> us3rX: Easiest is probably boot floppies (you'll need 4)
[09:33] <cafuego> us3rX: if not, network boot
[09:33] <comadreja> what are the packages needed to build kernel modules
[09:33] <us3rX> cafuego: where can i get these floopys?
[09:33] <adwait> comadreja: make-kpkg i think
[09:33] <cafuego> us3rX: Just a moment, please
[09:34] <us3rX> aight
[09:34] <thoreauputic> comadreja: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential
[09:34] <tvo> Hackmo: which type? I've got a 820k iirc, had to install drivers myself but it works
[09:35] <Hackmo> tvo: it's a phillips toucam pro 2, my computer is picking it up fine it but I keep getting the error that it is already in use when I try to use it
[09:35] <cafuego> us3rX: Hmm, ubuntu appears not to have them. The debian ones *should* work though
[09:35] <comadreja> does anyone knows what is needed to build kismet on breezy ?
[09:36] <us3rX> aight, ill try those. ty
[09:36] <cafuego> us3rX: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/
[09:37] <cafuego> us3rX: You can always do a base sarge install, then dist-upgrade to hoary after editing sources.list
[09:37] <MidNightRaVeN> ?
[09:37] <MidNightRaVeN> lol i'm such a newb
[09:37] <us3rX> cafuego: ty
[09:37] <MidNightRaVeN> is anyone in here?
[09:37] <Madpilot> OK, that worked. now running Opera 8.01. cool.
[09:37] <MidNightRaVeN> wow!
[09:37] <MidNightRaVeN> =D
[09:38] <Madpilot> MidNightRaVeN: only 452 of us... :)
[09:38] <thoreauputic> cafuego: so there are no conflicts with base sarge and hoary? Good to know if so...
[09:38] <MidNightRaVeN> lol
[09:38] <MidNightRaVeN> first time using Ubuntu AND Irc
[09:38] <MidNightRaVeN> <--- total newb ;-)
[09:39] <nickrud_> MidNightRaVeN then, you are totally welcome :)
[09:39] <adwait> MidNightRaVeN: welcome to being an ubuntueit/ubunteit/ubuntie/ubunter
[09:39] <thoreauputic> MidNightRaVeN: you're all alone... no one is listening... no one cares .. </lame joke>
[09:39] <us3rX> lol
[09:39] <adwait> heh
[09:39] <MidNightRaVeN> lol that makes me feel really good
[09:39] <nickrud_> we need to assign greeter duties ;)
[09:39] <Madpilot> ... but not to thoreauputic, it seems.
[09:40] <thoreauputic> MidNightRaVeN: and any questions you may have will be unmercifully flamed *grin*
[09:40] <MidNightRaVeN> seriously... ;-)
[09:40] <cafuego> thoreauputic: I didn't have any issues going from Sid to Hoary; just needed to do X by hand.
[09:40] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: PR was never my strong point... ;-)
[09:41] <Madpilot> the only questions that get flamed are the ones that're asked five or six times, quickly, via cut'n'paste...
[09:41] <nickrud_> dry humor lingers .....
[09:41] <thoreauputic> cafuego: OK - thanks
[09:41] <adwait> like this?
[09:41] <adwait> like this?
[09:41] <adwait> like this?
[09:41] <adwait> like this?
[09:41] <adwait> like this?
[09:41] <adwait> :p
[09:41] <nickrud_> MidNightRaVeN so, you have any issues that you need help with?
[09:42] <Ghetek> when is the new gmail gonna be in repos
[09:42] <Ghetek> ?
[09:42] <MidNightRaVeN> so.... i feel so dumb asking questions... and lol thoreaputic isn't helping any ;-) jk. But... I just installed Ubuntu (loving it by the way already) on my primary drive and I want to add my XP (which is on a second drive) so that GRUB will boot it secondary... but I have no clue how...
[09:42] <Ghetek> i mean gaim
[09:42] <thoreauputic> MidNightRaVeN: compassion fatigue - it's a terrible affliction - be sorry for me please ;')
[09:43] <adwait> hehe
[09:43] <action09_> hi all
[09:43] <adwait> hell action09_
[09:43] <adwait> *hello
[09:43] <action09_> :)
[09:43] <MidNightRaVeN> lol where does this lack of compassion steam from =D ?
[09:43] <MidNightRaVeN> too many newbs ;-) ?
[09:43] <Ghetek> gaim? new version?
[09:43] <thoreauputic> MidNightRaVeN: :)
[09:43] <cafuego> MidNightRaVeN: Didn't the installer auomatically add WinXP to the boot menu?
[09:43] <tvo> Hackmo: I doubt I can help you then. Could try to remove/replugin cam, I've no clue otherwise
[09:43] <adwait> who dont RTFM ;)
[09:44] <action09_> Someone using  freenx on Hoary ?
[09:44] <action09_> please
[09:44] <thoreauputic> MidNightRaVeN: actually I'm a softy, you'll see...
[09:44] <MidNightRaVeN> no... i was having problems installing the grub with XP as my Slave so I just took it off, installed Ubuntu and heard that I could just add XP later
[09:44] <pvh> My azureus won't start -- couldn't see anything in google searches or on the Azureus page. Anyone familiar with the problem?
[09:44] <nickrud_> lol, just, swap a few vowels, and you have it
[09:45] <othernoob> pvh, did you install java? ;)
[09:45] <cafuego> MidNightRaVeN: *nod* Check /usr/share/doc/grub/examples/menu.lst - that has an example entry in it. Just check that the disk entry (hd0,1 or something) is updated for your machine.
[09:45] <thoreauputic> MidNightRaVeN: you might have to remap your drives in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:45] <cafuego> MidNightRaVeN: Note that windows may not work if it's on the slave drive.
[09:46] <MidNightRaVeN> kk... gonna check lol may take a bit cuz lol I have no idea how to navigate fully yet
[09:46] <thoreauputic> right
[09:46] <cafuego> s/may/will/
[09:46] <MidNightRaVeN> i was reading and can't you trick it to though?
[09:46] <MidNightRaVeN> like think that it's a master?
[09:46] <Hackmo> tvo: already tried that but thanks anyway
[09:46] <parabolize> I am having truble getting a iriver ifp-890 working. When I type dmesg I get this:
[09:46] <parabolize> device descriptor read/64, error -71
[09:46] <cafuego> MidNightRaVeN: it insists on having 8MB FAT32 on the master as a mimimum
[09:46] <MidNightRaVeN> blegh.... that's going to make things SOOO complicated...
[09:46] <cafuego> MidNightRaVeN: I'm not certain, but I would guess winxp is too dumb to be tricked that way <heh>
[09:47] <cafuego> MidNightRaVeN: You can always make XP the master and flip Linux to the slave; it doesn't care,
[09:47] <MidNightRaVeN> yea... but it feels... soo... disrespectful...
[09:47] <MidNightRaVeN> lol
[09:47] <adwait> hehe
[09:47] <MidNightRaVeN> XP should be the slave ;-)
[09:47] <Madpilot> :)
[09:48] <nickrud_> linux is master, whatever XP thinks :)
[09:48] <othernoob> if you dislike xp that much, why even use it?
[09:48] <MidNightRaVeN> cuz i'm a gamer
[09:48] <othernoob> and?
[09:48] <MidNightRaVeN> can you game that much on linux?
[09:48] <MidNightRaVeN> didn't think you could...
[09:48] <adwait> MidNightRaVeN: some windows games work with wine
[09:48] <nickrud_> MidNightRaVeN some, and well, but... you can't fight city hall
[09:49] <MidNightRaVeN> yea... so I figure that I'll just keep XP for gaming and Linux for ALL else
[09:49] <adwait> salut kilikili
[09:49] <Madpilot> Ubuntu has Minesweeper and Tetris. what more does a person need? ;)
[09:49] <othernoob> MidNightRaVeN: don't you think you'll get annoyed ..i mean..rebooting all the time...
[09:49] <othernoob> Madpilot: strip poker :D
[09:50] <nickrud_> frozen bubble, mmmm...
[09:50] <soccerfiend> does anyone know of an update udev .deb?
[09:50] <soccerfiend> ie 3rd party
[09:50] <nickrud_> soccerfiend there is no reason to update udev
[09:51] <soccerfiend> kernel 2.6.12
[09:51] <soccerfiend> breaks udev
[09:51] <nickrud_> oh, breezy, I'll wait for 37 more days
[09:52] <soccerfiend> is it that soon?
[09:52] <Nermal> I thought it was november
[09:52] <MidNightRaVeN> well... yea lol sometimes, but I still love to game and I figure that if I keep it this way, I'll be able to play and have an actual stable system
[09:52] <cafuego> soccerfiend: Any reason you can't use the normal udev deb with 2.6.12?
[09:52] <soccerfiend> it breaks my udev rules
[09:52] <soccerfiend> http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/6/20/417
[09:52] <nickrud_> no, that's less than 2 months before release, about that time I figure the dev's will go into bug fix mode, not feature mode
[09:52] <cafuego> Whatcha doing with weird-ass rules then :-P
[09:53] <soccerfiend> usb hard drives keys etc
[09:53] <othernoob> MidNightRaVeN: you could give wine and cedega a try.. or if you must, vmware with xp.
[09:53] <soccerfiend> nothing life threatening
[09:53] <soccerfiend> just annoying as hell
[09:53] <MidNightRaVeN> those are all virtual systems of XP right?
[09:54] <othernoob> not quite, but you could say so.
[09:54] <soccerfiend> I have a temp fix by forcing a debian based deb install (the evil dpkg --force- commands)
[09:54] <pvh> othernoob: I should say: "Azureus stopped working."
[09:54] <cafuego> soccerfiend: Just fetch the udev source deb and the new udev source, replace sources, exit Changelog, build customised .deb
[09:54] <pvh> othernoob: It used to start.
[09:54] <MidNightRaVeN> well... for right now i'm a little fresh to linux... so I kinda want to get a good feel before I delve to deeply
[09:54] <cafuego> !info udev breezy
[09:55] <ubotu> udev: (/dev/ management daemon), section admin, is important. Version: 0.056-2ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 231 kB, Installed size: 688 kB
[09:55] <soccerfiend> was lazy, looking for an easy dpkg -i :)
[09:55] <cafuego> !info udev hoary
[09:55] <ubotu> udev: (/dev/ management daemon), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.050-3ubuntu7 (hoary), Packaged size: 232 kB, Installed size: 696 kB
[09:55] <othernoob> MidNightRaVeN: yea i understand that. but everyone i know, who's a gamer and dualbooted, stayed in XP for casual stuff after playing a game..
[09:55] <nickrud_> MidNightRaVeN then, for the next few minutes, ignore this channel :)
[09:55] <cafuego> soccerfiend: Yeah, compile your own deb using the udev tarball, I reckon.
[09:56] <othernoob> pvh and then? what happened then?
[09:56] <othernoob> pvh do you use the safepeer plugin?
[09:56] <pvh> othernoob: I'm not sure -- I suspect it was a java update that broke it. I didn't notice right away at any rate.
[09:56] <pvh> othernoob: Yes, but I don't even get the splash.
[09:56] <tiglionabbit> hey, I just noticed wolfenstein is listed as free on the games forum sticky.  Where can I get it?
[09:56] <pvh> othernoob: And 2.2/2.3 both don't work, even when I move my old .Azureus out of the way.
[09:57] <us3rX> cafuego: those floppys didnt work, it trys to make me download a "debain iso" or whatnot from the ftp.us.debian.org lol
[09:57] <cafuego> us3rX: damn
[09:57] <othernoob> pvh tried to uninstall the old crap?
[09:57] <babyfire> you guys rock
[09:57] <cafuego> us3rX: get the 100Mb netinst iso from debian.org; install with that; then upgrade to Ubuntu
[09:57] <othernoob> tiglionabbit: the ooooooold wolfenstein 3d?
[09:58] <shinu> do the packages installed by apt-get get stored somewhere on disk before installation? do they get deleted after installation?
[09:58] <pvh> othernoob: How do you mean?
[09:58] <babyfire> problem done
[09:58] <thoreauputic> shinu: /var/cache/apt/archives
[09:58] <thoreauputic> IIRC
[09:58] <othernoob> pvh i meant, did you try to uninstall azureus and install the latest?
[09:59] <tiglionabbit> othernoob: um, yeah
[09:59] <shinu> thoreauputic: ok thanks a lot
[09:59] <tiglionabbit> er, wolfenstein enemy territory
[09:59] <tiglionabbit> not sure which, I don't really know what the game's about.  Just thought, since it says it's open source, I'd download it
[09:59] <tiglionabbit> o I think I can get it from this site if I "register".
[09:59] <othernoob> tiglionabbit: mmh, if you find out where one can get it, please let me know
[10:00] <tiglionabbit> I'm going to download it from here
[10:00] <tiglionabbit> http://enemy-territory.4players.de:1041/
[10:01] <othernoob> nice, thanks
[10:02] <Proteque> what is the name of the binary of pearpc?
[10:02] <cafuego> Proteque: Don't even bother, it's not useable.
[10:02] <Nermal> I found it useable
[10:02] <cafuego> Nermal: Running what, OSX?
[10:02] <Nermal> yes
[10:02] <Proteque> okay. but what is the binary named?
[10:02] <Nermal> Proteque, read the manual
[10:03] <cafuego> Nermal: What did you run it on?
[10:03] <Nermal> athlon 2400+ 512 mb ram
[10:03] <cafuego> Nermal: It was frighteningly slow on my AMD64/2800+ with 1.5GB ram
[10:03] <cafuego> Nermal: Took it *6 hours* to boot up.
[10:03] <Nermal> lol
[10:03] <Nermal> took it around a minute on mine
[10:03] <Proteque> Nermal: the manual does not say what the binary is called. if it is named pearpc it is not in path here
[10:04] <cafuego> Proteque: 'ppc'
[10:04] <Nermal> you didn't think after 3 hours that something might be wrong
[10:04] <Nermal> Proteque, have you configured pearpc ?
[10:04] <Nermal> it's not called pearpc iirc
[10:04] <cafuego> Nermal: No, i was just assuming it sucked even harder than windows ;-)
[10:04] <Proteque> cafuego: thank you
[10:04] <cafuego> Proteque: dpkg -L pearpc | grep bin
[10:04] <soccerfiend> 40 times slowdow
[10:05] <soccerfiend> it is currrently brutal
[10:05] <Nermal> Proteque, 	$ src/ppc CONFIGFILENAME
[10:05] <Nermal> well fuck me sideways - right there on the website
[10:05] <Nermal> *rolls eyes*
[10:05] <othernoob> has anyone here ever played Dune 2000?
[10:05] <cafuego> Nermal: Um, the Ubuntu package doesn't contain 'src/ppc'
[10:06] <Nermal> well.. thats about 10 minutes of noobness
[10:06] <Nermal> that's my fix of retards for today
[10:06] <Proteque> ehm...
[10:06] <nickrud_> Nermal then, why are you here?
[10:06] <cafuego> better get rid of that mirror then
[10:06] <nickrud_> or not
[10:06] <Proteque> what a nice guy...
[10:07] <cafuego> he's on #gentoo*, so a tard by definition.
[10:07] <nickrud_> heh, can't comment on that
[10:07] <Ghetek> what is "cron" and how do i add a "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" to it?
[10:07] <shinu> is ubuntuguide.org down?
[10:07] <tiglionabbit> cron?
[10:08] <othernoob> shinu no
[10:08] <tiglionabbit> shinu: does it matter?
[10:08] <nickrud_> Ghetek cron is a means of running a command at a specific time
[10:08] <tiglionabbit> we have a wiki.ubuntu.com
[10:08] <shinu> tiglionabbit: yes?...
[10:08] <tiglionabbit> why?
[10:08] <shinu> othernoob: cant open it here... thanks anyways
[10:08] <cafuego> Ghetek: Adding 'sudo apt-get upgrade' to cron is *not* a clever idea.
[10:08] <tiglionabbit> shinu: why, what do you need?
[10:08] <Ghetek> cafuego: why?
[10:09] <shinu> tiglionabbit: just some small bits of it. :D
[10:09] <cafuego> Ghetek: What if an update messes up a config file?
[10:09] <nickrud_> Ghetek I'd personally change the upgrade to apt-get upgrade -d
[10:09] <Ghetek> I've never used -d
[10:09] <tiglionabbit> shinu: there is generally better information on the wiki.  I suggest you search it
[10:09] <shinu> tiglionabbit: i cant open wiki either :D
[10:09] <cafuego> Ghetek: You can do the update via cron, but please do a manual upgrade.
[10:09] <tiglionabbit> shinu: then it's an internet problem =\
[10:09] <nickrud_> Ghetek that will download the files.
[10:09] <Ghetek> ah ok
[10:09] <cafuego> Ghetek: Just make a script and dump it in /etc/cron.daily. No sudo needed, it runs as root.
[10:09] <shinu> tiglionabbit: seems so... cant ping anything
[10:10] <shinu> but irc works fine :D
[10:10] <tiglionabbit> shinu: how are you talking to us now?
[10:10] <Ghetek> cron.daily is a folder?
[10:10] <nickrud_> Ghetek *always* personally monitor changes to your system, unless you are running a farm, then, do whatever you feel :)
[10:11] <cafuego> Ghetek: yes
[10:11] <shinu> tiglionabbit: er... normally? seems that something wrong with the pages... but irc seems fine
[10:11] <tiglionabbit> that's odd shinu...
[10:11] <shinu> :)
[10:12] <shinu> hm...
[10:12] <shinu> i just tried to install a modem that i dont have on my comp...
[10:12] <shinu> so maybe thats why
[10:14] <parabolize> does anyone have a iriver ifp-890 working in ubuntu? I updated the firmware with a xp box but that didn't help. I just tested the usb port with my mouse and it works.
[10:15] <jasmuz> parabolize: can you mount it?
[10:16] <parabolize> no
[10:16] <parabolize> I get this when I type dmesg: device descriptor read/64, error -71
[10:17] <jasmuz> umm :/
[10:17] <parabolize> the ifp works in windows
[10:18] <shinu> how do i restart my services?
[10:18] <shinu> like in fedora it would be: services restart network or something
[10:19] <RichardC> i just tried (like 5 or so times) to install mplayer-386
[10:19] <nickrud_> shinu invoke-rc.d <service> start|stop|etc
[10:19] <jasmuz> parabolize: until you can find a way to solve it. dual boot
[10:20] <shinu> wow
[10:20] <shinu> thanks nickrud_
[10:21] <nickrud_> I have a few dribbles to share; you are welcome :)
[10:21] <BeatYou> is where a command to see all insalled packages? i'm trying to slim down my used space
[10:21] <BeatYou> considering im jus tusing ubuntu as a server
[10:22] <thoreauputic> BeatYou: dpkg -l | less
[10:23] <tiglionabbit> wow, neverball is fun
[10:23] <tiglionabbit> I wish I had a real graphics chipset
[10:23] <BeatYou> thoreauputic thanks - and i like the Henrey Thoreau nick reference
[10:23] <nickrud_> tiglionabbit what do you use, I have a 1999 voodoo 3 :)
[10:23] <thoreauputic> BeatYou: :)
[10:23] <tiglionabbit> nickrud_: well, it's a laptop with "Intel Extreme Crappiness 2"
[10:24] <nickrud_> lol, then, it's probably newer :)
[10:24] <RichardC> anyways
[10:24] <RichardC> i tryed to get mplayer
[10:24] <RichardC> apt-get install mplayer
[10:24] <tiglionabbit> no no, see, this is an onboard chipset with absolutely nothing devoted to rendering anything 3D
[10:24] <tiglionabbit> the processor handles it
[10:24] <RichardC> but it says there was and md5sum mismatch
[10:25] <tiglionabbit> so anything 3D sucks on this machine, or simply doesn't work
[10:25] <RichardC> ive tried and apt-get update, then apg-get install mplayer (again
[10:25] <RichardC> )
[10:25] <RichardC> and apt-get install mplayer --fix-missing
[10:25] <RichardC> it doesnt work
[10:25] <RichardC> same problem
[10:25] <nickrud_> RichardC are you using the us.archives ?
[10:25] <RichardC> eys
[10:25] <tiglionabbit> thoreauputic: well, I wanted a tablet PC, and they didn't sell any with real graphics cards at the time.  I'm looking at Toshibas now
[10:25] <RichardC> Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main libgii0 1:0.8.5-2 [126kB]
[10:25] <RichardC> Get:2 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main libggi2 1:2.0.5-1ubuntu1 [193kB]
[10:25] <RichardC> Fetched 319kB in 1m40s (3163B/s)
[10:25] <RichardC> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libg/libgii/libgii0_0.8.5-2_i386.deb  MD5Sum mismatch
[10:25] <RichardC> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libg/libggi/libggi2_2.0.5-1ubuntu1_i386.deb  MD5Sum mismatch
[10:26] <nickrud_> why does use always go fubar, it's nationally embaressing
[10:26] <nickrud_> RichardC if you have broadband, just remove us. from everything; if dialup, use uk. or ca. and leach from friends.
[10:27] <RichardC> ok
[10:27] <othernoob> nickrud_: does that mean others arent friends?
[10:28] <nickrud_> no, just, they're the ones that most often forgive our trespasses
[10:29] <RichardC> nickrud_: why uk instead of us?
[10:30] <thoreauputic> RichardC: the us server has had issues it seems
[10:30] <johntramp> hi I have a pc with ubuntu and no internet access.  Every time it turns on it waits ~30 seconds trying to update ntpclient,  How can I remove this from the startup?
[10:30] <nickrud_> RichardC cuz us.archive has a problem, I recommend uk based on other peoples's experiences
[10:30] <shinu> is the 'networking' service responsible for my ethernet interface?
[10:31] <soccerfiend> update-rc.d ntpdate remove
[10:31] <johntramp> soccerfiend, thanks
[10:31] <thoreauputic> johntramp: sudo update-rc.d ntpdate -f remove from memory - but c=heck the man page
[10:34] <cyberix> Does ubuntu have a package to setup 6to4 without having to configure it manually?
[10:35] <acid2> " Extras/MonoQuery/Makefile.am:76: warning: automake does not support conditional definition of SQLITE_FILES in EXTRA_DIST" Does anyone know what I can do about that?
[10:36] <IceDC571> if i change my motherboard and cpu, would i have to reinstall the linux kernel?
[10:36] <soccerfiend> oh ya, update-rc.d must be done as root
[10:36] <soccerfiend> change to an i386 kernel first
[10:36] <nickrud_> IceDC571 as long as you have a i386 kernel, you're ok
[10:36] <ubuntu_new> hi
[10:37] <soccerfiend> then swap out the MB/CPU
[10:37] <soccerfiend> then install one that matches new proc
[10:37] <soccerfiend> I just did this on a box at home a week ago
[10:37] <lamer1> I have an LSI MegaRaid Controller on my just installed Ubuntu system. I'm getting the following error SCSI error : <0 0 0 0> return code = 0x40001 and my file system is on read-only state. Any hint ?
[10:37] <soccerfiend> went from an AMD 1000 to a dual PIII 1000
[10:37] <ubuntu_new> I am using live CD, how can I use Kdevelop ?
[10:37] <ubuntu_new> why are there no significant programs with the liveCD ?
[10:38] <Spooks> Hey guys. I want to uninstall Ubuntu from this HD & install it on a different one. Any special steps I need to take?
[10:38] <HrdwrBoB> Spooks: remove HD, plug into other machine
[10:38] <HrdwrBoB> boot
[10:38] <nickrud_> ubuntu_new what do you mean, 'no significant programs'?
[10:38] <ubuntu_new> nickrud_,  no developers program
[10:38] <ubuntu_new> no IDE
[10:38] <thoreauputic> ubuntu_new: umm - desktop oriented ? And define "significant"
[10:38] <Spooks> ?
[10:38] <nickrud_> ubuntu_new this is a user's system, but it's all available
[10:39] <Spooks> I can just whack in a windows CD then & it will format it for me?
[10:39] <nickrud_> I mean, how would this thing get made without devel's tools :)
[10:39] <ubuntu_new> nickrud_,  I meant its not provided with the liveCD, so what takes up its space?
[10:39] <thoreauputic> ubuntu_new: if you want development tools, a knoppix CD or similar is a better choice I guess
[10:39] <HrdwrBoB> ubuntu_new: lots of things
[10:40] <ubuntu_new> thoreauputic,  In my opinion knoppix has many more useful tools than the current version of ubuntu does
[10:40] <tiglionabbit> ubuntu_new: it is very easy to install new software over apt once you have a base install going
[10:40] <ubuntu_new> can't do much with the live cd then?
[10:40] <nickrud_> well, I do keep a knoppix disk around for emergencies, but that's inertia
[10:40] <thoreauputic> ubuntu_new: so use knoppix - ubuntu is aimed at a different user than you, clearly
[10:41] <ubuntu_new> thanks
[10:41] <tiglionabbit> ubuntu_new: ubuntu is a desktop distro.  It has media players, internets, chat, and drawing stuff by default.  If you want more, install it
[10:41] <Spooks> ..
[10:41] <acid2> too late..
[10:42] <tiglionabbit> o well
[10:42] <thoreauputic> tiglionabbit: he already had made up his mind, methinks
[10:42] <nickrud_> heh, got drug in again
[10:42] <tiglionabbit> useful tools... wonder what he meant?
[10:42] <Spooks> kzm, nevermind. I'll try myself.
[10:42] <acid2> stuff he can be 1337 with?
[10:42] <nickrud_> gcc, that stuff,
[10:42] <tiglionabbit> ubuntu live cd wouldn't have kdevelop anyway, it's gnome-based
[10:43] <tiglionabbit> even if it did have compilers
[10:43] <thoreauputic> tiglionabbit: he wanted kdevelop IDE - on a gnome based disc: he didn't do his homework i guess
[10:43] <nickrud_> so, l337 is kdevelop these days :)
[10:43] <tiglionabbit> lol
[10:44] <ubuntu_new> zomg ubuntu has gnome stuff so it's not as good as knoppix cuz I wanted KDE
[10:44] <nickrud_> heck, I remember when poking into memory above basic was elite :)
[10:45] <tiglionabbit> nickrud_: I have heard people brag about how awesome windows is, after hex-editing it to change the window manager...
[10:45] <othernoob> heh.. i never understood why people love knoppix..
[10:45] <nickrud_> windows, I'm talking about Z80's with 4k memory ;P
[10:46] <shawnh> hey baby
[10:46] <IceDC571> whats a good overclocking amd cpu and mobo?
[10:46] <tiglionabbit> I burned a knoppix CD for this guy once, to help him save his PC.  It was an old PC.    Why would they do that to it?
[10:46] <nickrud_> othernoob I have rescued my system more than once with knoppix, klaus is a genius
[10:47] <othernoob> well, then you should have used DSL tiglionabbit
[10:47] <IceDC571> tiglionabbit: thats kde for ya
[10:47] <thoreauputic> nickrud_: Z80 ? When i were lad, we had an abacus if we were *lucky* ! Z80? ha!
[10:47] <othernoob> nickrud_ have you tried kanotix yet?
[10:47] <Triffid_Hunter> ugh dsl.. that doesn't work on old/small systems either
[10:47] <nickrud_> othernoob no, I'm pre abacus, I am truly hard to move from what I know :)
[10:47] <IceDC571> Triffid_Hunter: are they still selling overclockable AMD cpus?
[10:47] <othernoob> nickrud_ lol :)
[10:48] <tiglionabbit> it made me want to use a version of knoppix that had ONLY the commandline or something.  That would feel better
[10:48] <Triffid_Hunter> IceDC571: nfi.. my board has let me change all my settings.. dunno if its good board or unlocked chip tho
[10:49] <thoreauputic> tiglionabbit: there was a guy called tech2k on #knoppix a couple of years ago who was making a CLI only knoppix - but he disappeared mysteriously
[10:49] <tiglionabbit> hmm.  Have you ever heard a person on a deb distro say they're "Too lazy to install that right now"?
[10:50] <thoreauputic> tiglionabbit: not as such: but I've often heard "I'm too lazy to read the apt-howto"
[10:50] <tiglionabbit> whenever I hear that from a debian or windows user, I wonder how red hat or gentoo people can survive
[10:50] <jono> I added a respository to sources.list - is there a way of removing all packages and dependent software from that repo?
[10:50] <nickrud_> tiglionabbit I keep a very old lnx-bbc boot disk, just for old stuff, because I'm to lazy to install :)
[10:50] <BeatYou> do you guys suggest ReiserFS or ext3 ?
[10:51] <BeatYou> i formatted with Reiser
[10:51] <tiglionabbit> hmm, I wish I knew the answer to jono's question
[10:51] <jono> tiglionabbit, same here :P
[10:51] <thoreauputic> jono: apt-cache policy combined with deborphan I guess
[10:51] <tiglionabbit> BeatYou: I would suggest ext3 only because I have heard nasty rumors about reiserfs
[10:51] <othernoob> ext3 BeatYou
[10:51] <othernoob> tiglionabbit:  like what?
[10:51] <jono> thoreauputic, any idea how I can do it?
[10:51] <tiglionabbit> othernoob: like that it blows up in your face eventually
[10:51] <Triffid_Hunter> tiglionabbit: emerge -avt program; get a coffee ;)
[10:51] <tiglionabbit> if you "do something ignorant"
[10:51] <nikkia> BeatYou: ext3 for the simple reason that it is backwards and forwards compatible
[10:51] <nickrud_> jono I'd comment out the repository, aptitude update, then run aptitude, and look under obsolete and local packages, they'll all be there
[10:52] <othernoob> tiglionabbit: well, most things blow up if you do something stupid ;)
[10:52] <Triffid_Hunter> reiser3.6 works just fine here
[10:52] <nikkia> BeatYou: if you really need to read the disk on a kernel without ext3 support (yeah, right, those still exist...) then ext2 will read it just fine :)
[10:52] <thoreauputic> jono: I never needed to - but I guess deborphan would help
[10:52] <BeatYou> tiglionabbit: example? everyone ive talked to says ResierFS
[10:52] <tiglionabbit> othernoob: well, I really know nothing about reiserfs, but I know ext3 works fine...
[10:53] <nickrud_> heh, I've needed to, bad update from experimental in debian. What I said works.
[10:53] <othernoob> BeatYou if you don't take good care of ReiserFS the speed advantage you once had will backfire drastically.
[10:53] <Triffid_Hunter> othernoob: i have a desktop and a server running reiserfs, neither have had any problems whatsoever
[10:53] <jono> nickrud_, so how do I remove the package and its dependencies from that server?
[10:54] <BeatYou> othernoob: how do i maintain it then
[10:54] <IceDC571> wow.. so xfce really is fast
[10:54] <othernoob> Triffid_Hunter: I didn't say ReiserFS was bad ;)
[10:54] <IceDC571> i love reiserfs! :)
[10:54] <nickrud_> jono first, comment out the repository in /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:54] <othernoob> BeatYou ask Triffid, he seems to know it very well :)
[10:54] <nickrud_> jono, then, aptitude update
[10:55] <BeatYou> Triffid?
[10:55] <nickrud_> jono, next, simply run aptitude
[10:55] <Triffid_Hunter> *shrug* it Just Works for me
[10:55] <IceDC571> i love aptitude :)
[10:56] <jono> how can I find which repo a particular package is in?
[10:56] <nickrud_> then, look for 'obsolete and local packages', and this is where it can get hard, depending on what you've installed from the repo you want to clear:
[10:56] <thoreauputic> jono: apt-cache policy <package>
[10:56] <tiglionabbit> !info w32codecs
[10:56] <FLD> hey if i do vncserver :0   can i use that desktop somehow?
[10:56] <tiglionabbit> !info xine
[10:56] <tiglionabbit> dah, what's one that exists
[10:57] <tiglionabbit> !info neverball
[10:57] <ubotu> neverball: (3D arcade games: neverball & neverputt), section universe/games, is optional. Version: 1.4.0-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 176 kB, Installed size: 468 kB
[10:57] <tiglionabbit> there we go.  Anyway, that's how you tell
[10:57] <tiglionabbit> =P
[10:57] <thoreauputic> tiglionabbit: xine-ui
[10:57] <tiglionabbit> !info gxine
[10:57] <nickrud_> jono if you're lucky, you've only added new packages, not replaced old ones.
[10:57] <ubotu> gxine: (the xine video player, GTK+/Gnome user interface), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.4.1-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 240 kB, Installed size: 624 kB
[10:57] <thoreauputic> !info xine-ui
[10:57] <ubotu> xine-ui: (the xine video player, user interface), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.99.3-1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 1669 kB, Installed size: 3364 kB
[10:57] <jono> I am having a problem installing transcode from marillat
[10:57] <tiglionabbit> xine-ui is all bad-ass dysfunctional looking
[10:57] <tiglionabbit> with a whole lot of buttons that don't work
[10:58] <nikkia> jono, the one in backports works better, IME
[10:58] <thoreauputic> jono: marillat is out of sync with hoary - use backports
[10:58] <nikkia> jono, the transcode in marrilat is regularly broken, even on a pure debian system
[10:58] <othernoob> Triffid_Hunter: do you use reiser4?
[10:58] <nickrud_> jono the recieved wisdom is to use backports, but a better solution is to compile that one yourself.
[10:59] <nikkia> nickrud_: have you ever tried compiling transcode yourself ?? :)
[10:59] <nickrud_> lol
[10:59] <nikkia> transcode is probably the hardest thing in linux-land to compile 'right'
[10:59] <nickrud_> nikkia I actually have done, but I doubt I will try again
[10:59] <nikkia> it has a trillion depends, almost all of which are 'exact version' depends
[10:59] <shinu> oh my god
[11:00] <shinu> i did something seriously wrong with my ubuntu
[11:00] <shinu> after restart even irc didnt want to work...
[11:00] <tiglionabbit> shinu: oh no, what did you do?
[11:00] <MidNightRaVeN> i have a quick question if anyone has a sec =)
[11:00] <shinu> tiglionabbit: id better tell the whole story :D
[11:01] <tiglionabbit> MidNightRaVeN: go ahead, ask before shinu launches into a tale
[11:01] <MidNightRaVeN> lol kk
[11:01] <shinu> tiglionabbit: firstly i thought id install the usb eagle modem (cause i have one back home where i am about to go)
[11:01] <shinu> hehe
[11:01] <thoreauputic> MidNightRaVeN: just ask :) Someone might know, you never know your luck ;)
[11:01] <MidNightRaVeN> i'm thinking of downloading some free-ware from freshmeat.net... how do I know what will work with Ubuntu?
[11:01] <MidNightRaVeN> it's a newb question lol
[11:01] <nikkia> MidNightRaVeN: look at its list of dependancies, check the repositories for -dev versions of those
[11:02] <thoreauputic> MidNightRaVeN: you don't normally need or want to do that - use synaptic
[11:02] <nickrud_> MidNightRaVeN figure out what you want from freshmeat, then go to packages.ubuntu.com and see if it's available using apt get
[11:02] <nikkia> MidNightRaVeN: but first, you're best checking if the app/package in question is *in* the repositories already
[11:02] <shinu> tiglionabbit: but after installation i noticed i cant open webpages nor ping anything
[11:02] <MidNightRaVeN> what's the easiest way to do that?
[11:02] <thoreauputic> most things are already available
[11:02] <tiglionabbit> MidNightRaVeN: have you used synaptic, or any method of using apt yet?
[11:02] <MidNightRaVeN> no...
[11:02] <MidNightRaVeN> -(
[11:02] <shinu> tiglionabbit: so i uninstall what i installed and restarted...
[11:02] <MidNightRaVeN> =(*
[11:02] <thoreauputic> MidNightRaVeN: apt-cache search <keyword>
[11:03] <shinu> tiglionabbit: but it still didnt work xD
[11:03] <tiglionabbit> MidNightRaVeN: I suggest you run it, it's in system -> admin -> synaptic.  It makes installing things a breeze
[11:03] <shinu> (not very detailed...)
[11:03] <nickrud_> MidNightRaVeN http://packages.ubuntu.com has an excellent web search for programs in ubuntu
[11:03] <tiglionabbit> !synaptic
[11:03] <ubotu> it has been said that synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[11:03] <tiglionabbit> !repositories
[11:03] <ubotu> I heard repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:03] <tiglionabbit> bookmark those wiki entries
[11:04] <tiglionabbit> shinu: hehe, I don't know what you can do
[11:04] <MidNightRaVeN> thx =) gonna try right now and see if I can find it
[11:04] <tiglionabbit> what are you looking for?
[11:04] <cafuego> !wiki AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:04] <MidNightRaVeN> a good media player
[11:04] <shinu> oh my god... this is just so bad...
[11:04] <thoreauputic> MidNightRaVeN: you don't usually need to download stuff a la Winblows
[11:04] <nickrud_> lets see, me, thoreauputic (apt-cache search) and tiglionabbit (synaptic) have good pointers, MidNightRaVeN
[11:04] <MidNightRaVeN> lol i see... i kinda thought it was the only way =X
[11:04] <FLD> how do i set xdm to open fluxbox session?
[11:05] <steven_> hey hyows it going guys
[11:05] <thoreauputic> MidNightRaVeN: Ubuntu saves you the trouble of searching the web for apps
[11:05] <tiglionabbit> MidNightRaVeN: well, you've got totem already.  Using synapting you can find vlc, mplayer, gxine, and several other things too
[11:05] <MidNightRaVeN> so anyone have a recomendation for a good media player they like??
[11:05] <tiglionabbit> with the right repositories enabled
[11:06] <MidNightRaVeN> like one that works well and does lots of formats?
[11:06] <steven_> ubuntu is thebest
[11:06] <tiglionabbit> MidNightRaVeN: I like totem, vlc, and mplayer.  But I had to install some things to make them work the way I want.  I also like beep-media-player
[11:06] <tiglionabbit> MidNightRaVeN: you just need to install codecs
[11:06] <steven_> I cant believe i had redhat before ubuntu
[11:06] <tiglionabbit> !restricted
[11:06] <ubotu> restricted is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:06] <steven_> REDHAT SUCKS
[11:06] <nickrud_> rhythmbox for a lot of music muine for a lovely interface for music; mplayer and xine for video
[11:06] <tiglionabbit> yes it does steven
[11:06] <shinu> is there no such thing as restore settings? 8)
[11:06] <MidNightRaVeN> lol i agree...
[11:06] <steven_> wowi  had redhat before
[11:06] <MidNightRaVeN> i almost killed my machine trying to get redhat to work...
[11:07] <steven_> windows blows
[11:07] <steven_> linux never gets any spy ware
[11:07] <steven_> but with windows
[11:07] <steven_> you go to any site
[11:07] <steven_> and you get infested
[11:07] <MidNightRaVeN> anyway... so i can use a DivX codec from DivX and it will install the same as in like windows?
[11:07] <tiglionabbit> MidNightRaVeN: ubuntu is good in a vary similar way that red hat is bad-- installing software
[11:07] <tiglionabbit> *very
[11:07] <steven_> what is the best graphical desktop gui thats out there?
[11:07] <thoreauputic> MidNightRaVeN: read the restricted formats wiki
[11:07] <Poromies> MidNightRaVeN: you can get all codecs you need with apt-get
[11:07] <steven_> i find xfce pretty good anything better then that
[11:07] <thoreauputic> !restricted
[11:07] <ubotu> it has been said that restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:07] <cafuego> steven_: MacOS X Aqua
[11:08] <nickrud_> steven_ twm :)
[11:08] <steven_> twm
[11:08] <steven_> havent heard of that one
[11:08] <cafuego> steven_: I suggest you pick one that works for you, coz what's best for me problably isn't for you.
[11:08] <shinu> hehe
[11:08] <nickrud_> quick, stable, and obsolete
[11:08] <thoreauputic> steven_: he's joking - twm is the *basic* X interface from the dark ages
[11:08] <tiglionabbit> MidNightRaVeN: well, vlc will probably play your divx by default.  By installing codecs though, you can probably get totem and mplayer to do it to
[11:08] <shinu> steven_: install them and try out :D
[11:08] <steven_> lol
[11:08] <MidNightRaVeN> hmmm
[11:08] <cafuego> thoreauputic: it's the best wm for 8Mb machines
[11:09] <steven_> macos x aqua
[11:09] <steven_> is that one any good
[11:09] <MidNightRaVeN> lol so many choices...
[11:09] <thoreauputic> cafuego: yes, i guess that's true :)
[11:09] <cafuego> steven_: Woks for millions of Mac users
[11:09] <steven_> oh
[11:09] <steven_> so ubuntu is a debian distro?
[11:09] <steven_> right
[11:09] <tiglionabbit> yep
[11:09] <nickrud_> it also has the oldest bug in debian, iirc
[11:09] <cafuego> steven_: I find Gnome nice, my wife prefers KDE.
[11:09] <steven_> i like kde
[11:10] <steven_> gnome.. eh i got bored of it
[11:10] <tiglionabbit> nickrud_: what bug is that?  Bug #1?
[11:10] <thoreauputic> cafuego: actually twm works OK if you don't mind basic
[11:10] <steven_> but now im inlove with xfce
[11:10] <steven_> I just wish i could get my ipod working
[11:10] <steven_> i tried the wiki
[11:10] <QMario> Is there an IDE for Perl in Ubuntu?
[11:10] <steven_> but it doesnt work to well
[11:10] <cafuego> thoreauputic: There's a reason i still have my 1997 ~/.fvwmrc
[11:10] <nikkia> thoreauputic: its 'hey, i need to open a window, will you place it on the screen for me' feature is annoying tho
[11:10] <MidNightRaVeN> real quick... can i get vlc through synaptic?
[11:10] <nickrud_> tiglionabbit uh, i think 7 hundred something, it's something I read in a debian announce post a while ago
[11:10] <cafuego> !info vlc
[11:10] <tiglionabbit> QMario: dunno, but vim, emacs, and gedit can pretend to be an IDE for anything
[11:10] <ubotu> vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.1-1ubuntu7 (hoary), Packaged size: 4867 kB, Installed size: 11816 kB
[11:11] <cafuego> MidNightRaVeN: yes
[11:11] <MidNightRaVeN> how?
[11:11] <QMario> How do you use emacs?
[11:11] <nikkia> qmario, read the emacs manual :)
[11:11] <tiglionabbit> QMario: use control and alt a lot
[11:11] <MidNightRaVeN> lol
[11:11] <cafuego> QMario: omg, nooooo!
[11:11] <nikkia> QMario: emacs is a great environment, once you're used to it
[11:11] <Rydekull> vi :)
[11:12] <gm78> hey everyone. there is a game where u play table tennis and it is 3d, does anyone remember the name for it?
[11:12] <MidNightRaVeN> is there like a search i have to do in synaptic that will take me to vlc?
[11:12] <tiglionabbit> MidNightRaVeN: you will need to read the http://wiki.ubuntu.com/addingrepositorieshowto
[11:12] <nickrud_> I do NOT need an extra operating system ;P
[11:12] <BeatYou> !info beneath-a-steel-sky
[11:12] <ubotu> beneath-a-steel-sky: (a science fiction adventure game), section universe/games, is optional. Version: 0.0368-3 (hoary), Packaged size: 67691 kB, Installed size: 70932 kB
[11:12] <MidNightRaVeN> kk
[11:12] <thoreauputic> ed! ed is the editor! man ed! ed man!
[11:12] <gm78> MidNightRaVeN, just click the searh button and type in vlc
[11:12] <tiglionabbit> thoreauputic: ...no
[11:12] <Rydekull> haha
[11:12] <nickrud_> BeatYou that's actually a pretty good free game
[11:12] <BeatYou> haha
[11:12] <BeatYou> it is ?
[11:12] <MidNightRaVeN> yea... when i typed it in though, nothing came up.... will try again
[11:13] <nikkia> thoreauputic: feh, cat and sed is all anyone will ever need!
[11:13] <steven_> Hey how long has ubuntu been out there
[11:13] <cafuego> is it about a dyson sphere gone mad?
[11:13] <thoreauputic> tiglionabbit: nikkia  http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/edistheeditor.txt
[11:13] <nickrud_> BeatYou I had some fun at it's expense
[11:13] <cafuego> nikkia: cat is useless
[11:13] <steven_> did you see the long ass review article they had for ubuntu on linux world mag
[11:13] <tiglionabbit> nikkia: what about people who want to delete past the start of the line?
[11:13] <othernoob> BeatYou it's a great game, you should try it
[11:13] <gm78> steven_, nearing a year
[11:13] <IceDC571> wow.. i thought galeon and epiphany were the same for a while
[11:13] <cafuego> nikkia: sed and awk are all you need, using < | > and tee
[11:13] <gm78> steven_, but it is heavily based on debian, which has been around for over 10 years
[11:13] <steven_> OHH
[11:14] <steven_> Ok
[11:14] <tiglionabbit> you guys, stop being ridiculous, and start promoting an editor that lets you see more than one line of text at a time.  Without having to print it out yourself
[11:14] <nikkia> tiglionabbit: i use emacs, i already said its a great environment once you're used to it :P
[11:14] <cafuego> tiglionabbit: I never said vim wasn't the best
[11:14] <QMario> Thank you for all your help! Good Night! :)
[11:14] <tiglionabbit> rofl
[11:14] <BeatYou> nano!
[11:15] <tiglionabbit> BeatYou: nano is a bit limited
[11:15] <WMCoolmon> Hey, I'm trying to get checkinstall working but got this bizarre error: package architecture (x86_64) does not match system (amd64)
[11:15] <BeatYou> what should i use
[11:15] <Rydekull> vi/vim, preferably the later but the first does the job aswell :)
[11:15] <cafuego> BeatYou: No, nano is shit; it breaks long lines
[11:15] <tiglionabbit> BeatYou: compared to emacs and vim
[11:15] <thoreauputic> BeatYou: nano isn't 1337 enough
[11:15] <gm78> answered my own question, cannon smash. fun little game, anyone with an Nvidia or ATI card should try it
[11:15] <cafuego> BeatYou: give 'jed' a go.
[11:15] <IceDC571> now which one is faster.. epiphany or galeon?
[11:15] <cafuego> IceDC571: yes
[11:15] <thoreauputic> IceDC571: heh - dillo
[11:15] <nikkia> thoreauputic: my view on nano is 'if i wanted to use wordstar, i'd find a time machine' :P
[11:15] <WMCoolmon> Is there any way to get checkinstall to realize that x86_64 == amd64
[11:15] <nickrud_> IceDC571 epiphany, hands down
[11:15] <Rydekull> gm78: basically anyone these days then :P
[11:15] <WMCoolmon> ?
[11:16] <MidNightRaVeN> the more i use ubuntu... the more i'm loving it...
[11:16] <nikkia> altho if i remember, joe is even more wordstar-y than nano
[11:16] <tiglionabbit> BeatYou: if you want to stay commandline, try vim and emacs out a little.  Ubuntu has the "vimtutor" command set up, and in emacs you can say control-h t  to get a tutorial
[11:16] <BeatYou> nano is 1337 enough
[11:16] <tiglionabbit> BeatYou: no, it's not
[11:16] <WMCoolmon> midnightraven: you are very lucky... :-/
[11:16] <gm78> Rydekull, no, believe it or not, most computers still ship with those cheap crappy intel cards...i used to sell them, well over 60% of the ones we sold went out the door with intel cards
[11:16] <BeatYou> so vim is the 1337est ?
[11:16] <IceDC571> nickrud_: why do you say epiphany?
[11:16] <MidNightRaVeN> why's that? you not liking it?
[11:16] <tiglionabbit> BeatYou: probably
[11:16] <cafuego> BeatYou: No, 'ed' is.
[11:17] <BeatYou> WHICH ONE IS THE MOST 1337
[11:17] <BeatYou> haha
[11:17] <tiglionabbit> BeatYou: that's a matter of opinion
[11:17] <Rydekull> gm78: well, yeah, I know, I have one myself, the IBM x40, but still, it aint that bad :)
[11:17] <BeatYou> !info 1337
[11:17] <thoreauputic> BeatYou: you really are intent on reigniting the editor wars, aren't you ? *grin*
[11:17] <MidNightRaVeN> whcoolmon: not liking it?
[11:17] <Rydekull> gm78: they even provided drivers, not that easy to find, but still :)
 Package '1337' does not exist. - what repos has the latest 1337 ?
[11:17] <nickrud_> IceDC571 experience on a slow machine, I've used both as alpha thru today.
[11:17] <WMCoolmon> midnightraven: it seems like everything i try to do, something is either broken or simply not possible under linux that was easily possible in windows
[11:18] <WMCoolmon> midnightraven: besides, that is, actually getting it installed on my sata drive :p
[11:18] <tiglionabbit> BeatYou: you will be l33t when you learn to use vim or emacs to the extent that you are editing multiple documents in a single instance of it, using several windows in them, compiling, and running your shell through them, such that during programming you never have to look at another terminal or quit
[11:18] <nickrud_> Epiphany as windows opened from liferea; galeon for general browsing.
[11:18] <gm78> Rydekull, really??? i just use the i810 drivers, do the ones they provide give u better performance?
[11:18] <nikkia> tiglionabbit: to be l33t in emacs you also need to have written at least one major .el file too :)
[11:18] <tiglionabbit> nikkia: yeah, that too
[11:18] <MidNightRaVeN> whcoolmon: =( yea... the way i've understood it is that it's a pain in the arse to get started and going... but once it's up, it's rock solid. I just like it cuz I felt frustrated and burnt out on Windows...
[11:18] <gm78> Rydekull, i have an nvidia on the one computer, intel on the other
[11:19] <Rydekull> gm78: yeah, long since I tried but it improved a little :)
[11:19] <tiglionabbit> BeatYou: you will also have to have at least 200 keyboard commands for your favorite editor on hand at all times, by heart
[11:19] <nikkia> the ultimate emacs l33tness is writing a .el that allows you to write 99% of a source code file by pressing one keystroke :)
[11:19] <MidNightRaVeN> whcoolmon: trust me... lol it's been a huge pain in my rear to get anywhere that I am now. I almost gave up... it was really crappy
[11:19] <gm78> Rydekull, hmmm....well, my mom uses that computer, she plays pogo.com games, doubt she needs better performance :-P
[11:19] <Rydekull> gm78: true :P
[11:19] <tiglionabbit> nikkia: now that is ridiculous
[11:19] <tiglionabbit> but just might work
[11:20] <BeatYou> well, first, i have to learn how to open a file in emacs then
[11:20] <nikkia> BeatYou: i told you, read the emacs manual
[11:20] <tiglionabbit> BeatYou: C-x Cf
[11:20] <cafuego> BeatYou: You like pain, eh? ;-)
[11:20] <tiglionabbit> I mean C-x C-f
[11:20] <Rydekull> haha
[11:20] <thoreauputic> MidNightRaVeN: it gets easier - then you have to break stuff if you want to avoid boredom ;)
[11:20] <tiglionabbit> meaning, hold control and say X F
[11:20] <Rydekull> ^x,f :)
[11:21] <nickrud_> lol, breakage for fun, that's the channel credo :)
[11:21] <WMCoolmon> midnightraven: well, hopefully i can get to that point sometime, it'd be nice to be able to get away from windows altogether.
[11:21] <cafuego> bash: emacs: command not found
[11:21] <nikkia> or just alt-x  find-file  return
[11:21] <cafuego> gotta love it
[11:21] <nnacht> I have now a problem: I mounted a partitiion of a disk in fstab. Nextime as I boot the computer, it said that: fsck.ext3: FS has unsupported features (/home1), please get a new version of e2fsck.
[11:21] <tiglionabbit> cafuego: sudo apt-get install emacs21
[11:21] <BeatYou> i tried that cafuego
[11:21] <BeatYou> haha
[11:21] <BeatYou> ahh
[11:21] <Rydekull> cafuego: -bash: emacs: command not found
[11:21] <cafuego> tiglionabbit: No thanks, i only have 40GB free space
[11:21] <Rydekull> cafuego: ;)
[11:21] <tiglionabbit> cafuego: lol
[11:21] <tiglionabbit> !info emacs21
[11:21] <ubotu> emacs21: (The GNU Emacs editor), section editors, is optional. Version: 21.3+1-8ubuntu7 (hoary), Packaged size: 1931 kB, Installed size: 5852 kB
[11:21] <IceDC571> oh god i just installed the epiphany game
[11:21] <MidNightRaVeN> whcoolmon: know what you mean... the only reason i keep windows right now is cuz i have TONS of games on it, and it does seem to atlease hold up for the gaming world...
[11:22] <IceDC571> !info epiphany
[11:22] <nickrud_> IceDC571 lol
[11:22] <ubotu> epiphany: (Clone of BoulderDash Game), section universe/games, is optional. Version: 0.5.1-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 576 kB, Installed size: 2260 kB
[11:22] <BeatYou> hmm
[11:22] <nikkia> !info xemacs21
[11:22] <ubotu> xemacs21: (highly customizable text editor), section universe/editors, is optional. Version: 21.4.17-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 48 kB
[11:22] <IceDC571> wonderful
[11:22] <tiglionabbit> cafuego: I think your hard disk will survive
[11:22] <thoreauputic> IceDC571: heheh - epiphany-browser I think
[11:22] <BeatYou> why does it need 44MB
[11:22] <BeatYou> this is silly
[11:22] <nikkia> 48K ? that's not right....
[11:22] <cafuego> tiglionabbit: No, because I will kill it with a hammer if emacs touches it
[11:22] <nikkia> ah, its just a meta-package for xemacs21-bin
[11:22] <MidNightRaVeN> whcoolmon: which stinks cuz I'd rather use Ubuntu for gaming and not deal with XP... i just can't get into wine and stuff like that cuz it's too complicated as of yet
[11:22] <Rydekull> !info vim
[11:22] <ubotu> vim: (Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor), section editors, is optional. Version: 1:6.3-046+1ubuntu7 (hoary), Packaged size: 671 kB, Installed size: 1412 kB
[11:22] <BeatYou> !info nano
[11:22] <ubotu> nano: (free Pico clone with some new features), section editors, is important. Version: 1.2.4-3 (hoary), Packaged size: 398 kB, Installed size: 1296 kB
[11:22] <nickrud_> nnacht ask that question again, in a few minutes this storm pass :)
[11:22] <cafuego> !info vim-common
[11:22] <tiglionabbit> !pico
[11:22] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: I don't know, could you explain it?
[11:23] <ubotu> vim-common: (Vi IMproved - Common files), section editors, is extra. Version: 1:6.3-046+1ubuntu7 (hoary), Packaged size: 3341 kB, Installed size: 13376 kB
[11:23] <BeatYou> !info 1337edit
[11:23] <tiglionabbit> lol
[11:23] <tiglionabbit> I don't think that one exists
[11:23] <BeatYou> !info what is the best editor
[11:23] <tiglionabbit> !editor
[11:23] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: Bugger all, i dunno
[11:23] <thoreauputic> !info sex
[11:23] <nnacht>  I mounted a partitiion of a disk in fstab. Nextime as I boot the computer, it said that: fsck.ext3: FS has unsupported features (/home1), please get a new version of e2fsck.
[11:23] <IceDC571> for terminal i like vim, for gui i like leafpad
[11:23] <MidNightRaVeN> thoreauputic: thoreaputic lol your name is too darn hard to write ;-) but I imagine as soon as I do get stuff going and ready, I'm going to break lots of stuff as well =D
[11:23] <BeatYou> MidNightRaVeN!!!
[11:23] <BeatYou> tab brotha
[11:23] <tiglionabbit> sex is not a pack..age...   wow that's more suggestive than I expected
[11:23] <MidNightRaVeN> ?
[11:23] <nikkia> MidNightRaVeN: what is wrong with thor<tab> ? :)
[11:23] <thoreauputic> MidNightRaVeN: do thore <tab> ;)
[11:23] <Rydekull> IceDC571: all you have in a gui is a terminal anyway :P
[11:24] <MidNightRaVeN> lol
[11:24] <MidNightRaVeN> oooooo
[11:24] <MidNightRaVeN> =D
[11:24] <BeatYou> !info sex
[11:24] <gm78> nnacht, did u format the other partition with ubuntu?
[11:24] <MidNightRaVeN> that helps lol
[11:24] <MidNightRaVeN> rofl
[11:24] <tiglionabbit> !info leafpad
[11:24] <ubotu> leafpad: (GTK+ based simple text editor), section universe/editors, is optional.  Version: 0.2pre1-4 (hoary), Packaged size: 224 kB, Installed size: 676 kB
[11:24] <MidNightRaVeN> lol
[11:24] <IceDC571> whoa i thought that was fake
[11:24] <WMCoolmon> midnightraven: cedega isn't too hard to install, even on amd64, if you can get the .debs
[11:24] <tiglionabbit> no, it's a real program
[11:24] <nnacht> gm78, no it is a partition in ext3 which I formated earlier with fedora
[11:24] <thoreauputic> BeatYou: it does exist actually : "simple editor for X" IIRC
[11:24] <gm78> nnacht, which version of fedora?
[11:24] <Rydekull> oh!
[11:25] <nickrud_> it's not too bad of a viewer, either
[11:25] <nnacht> fedora3
[11:25] <IceDC571> watch pornview depend on a lot of xvid files
[11:25] <gm78> nnacht, selinux might be to blame, there are extended features it adds into ext3
[11:25] <BeatYou> so has ubuntu pretty much taken over in terms of what distro n00bs install ?
[11:25] <MidNightRaVeN> WMCoolmon: never heard of cedega =X i tried Fedora, and umm lol uhhh... mandrake... but so far ubuntu suits me best
[11:25] <BeatYou> over mandrake that is
[11:26] <IceDC571> whorey wants me to insert my cd for epiphany
[11:26] <nikkia> heh, pornview doesn't like .vob files very much
[11:26] <nnacht> gm78, oh, yes. it could be possible. but if i mount it manuelly, it was no problem
[11:26] <Rydekull> I must say that porn-get rules pornview
[11:26] <gm78> BeatYou, somewhat....there is still linspire, xandros and mepis
[11:26] <Rydekull> www.linuks.mine.nu/porn-get
[11:26] <Rydekull> :=
[11:26] <Rydekull> :)
[11:26] <othernoob> MidNightRaVeN cedega used to be called winex
[11:26] <gm78> BeatYou, it is definately the best newbie gnome distro
[11:26] <IceDC571> the xfce run panel doesnt know what sudo means
[11:26] <BeatYou> slackware is the best newb kde distro
[11:27] <MidNightRaVeN> othernoob: i haven't been around long enough to hear of either...
[11:27] <tiglionabbit> http://www.squarefree.com/pornzilla/
[11:27] <gm78> BeatYou, i might have to disagree with you there :-P Mepis and Kubuntu are much easier to use
[11:27] <WMCoolmon> midnightraven: it's a windows emulator for games, but it can run other programs as well
[11:27] <gm78> BeatYou, slackware is good if u want to learn linux tho
[11:27] <WMCoolmon> midnightraven: once it's installed you just type "cedega program.exe" and it runs it
[11:28] <othernoob> gm78 so is LFS ;)
[11:28] <BeatYou> heh
[11:28] <gm78> othernoob, lol, true
[11:28] <MidNightRaVeN> WMCoolmon: does it crash a lot though?
[11:28] <BeatYou> we run slackware in our class for one of the servers
[11:28] <gm78> MidNightRaVeN, depends entirely on the game, check the site for support
[11:28] <gm78> *supported games
[11:28] <nnacht> another question: I want to compile a QT-programm from soure. By the configure, I got the message that QT was not installed. What should I install? Say: apt-get install ???
[11:28] <gm78> nnacht, apt-get install libqt-dev
[11:29] <MidNightRaVeN> kk =) thx for the info! lol I'm learing so much in one day I think my head is going to explode ;-)
[11:29] <BeatYou> anyone have gmail in here ?
[11:29] <thoreauputic> nnacht: those errors almost always mean you need -dev libraries
[11:29] <tiglionabbit> BeatYou: I do
[11:29] <gm78> MidNightRaVeN, the level of support is incredible though when u think about it. they have to write a compatability layer for a lot of microsoft's libraries without any support from microsoft
[11:29] <tiglionabbit> and up to 50 other people around here can too, ask away!
[11:29] <BeatYou> is there any way to use pgp keys with gmail
[11:29] <MidNightRaVeN> what is the stuff you guys when you put "! blah"?
[11:30] <tiglionabbit> MidNightRaVeN: it commands ubotu the bot to say something
[11:30] <BeatYou> dont make me turn on trivia bot tiglionabbit
[11:30] <MidNightRaVeN> gm78: seriously... the community with Linux is so sweet... it's the thing that attracts me the most
[11:30] <BeatYou> cause im sure id be banned in 5 minutes
[11:30] <othernoob> BeatYou: it's worth it ;)
[11:30] <BeatYou> haha
[11:30] <gm78> MidNightRaVeN, lol, yeah, problems get solved pretty quickly here
[11:30] <BeatYou> no thanks
[11:31] <tiglionabbit> I was attracted to linux for the fiddling
[11:31] <gm78> MidNightRaVeN, not sure if anyone told u, cedega requires a subscription fee
[11:31] <MidNightRaVeN> lol
[11:31] <tiglionabbit> I like an OS I can stare at for days and always find new things to screw around with and shove in it
[11:31] <nnacht> gm78, as I was just trying with apt-get install libqt-dev, I got the message that libqt3-dev is already install. And there is nothing to install for libqt-dev
[11:31] <MidNightRaVeN> no one told me =(
[11:31] <MidNightRaVeN> lol
[11:31] <BeatYou> i was attracted to linux beacuse running server programs in windows = satan
[11:31] <MidNightRaVeN> lol
[11:31] <tiglionabbit> BeatYou: good reason
[11:32] <BeatYou> and ubuntu is only <= satan
[11:32] <gm78> nnacht, ok, read the log file, it will search for qt in /lib/qt or something like that, i think ubuntu puts qt in the same directory except qt3, u might have to make a symlink (i had to on RHEL)
[11:32] <BeatYou> going to sleep now
[11:32] <gm78> MidNightRaVeN, u can compile it from source, but it is missing features, such as support for some games
[11:32] <nnacht> gm78, thanks a lot
[11:32] <BeatYou> nick BeatYou-zZz
[11:32] <BeatYou> errrrrrr
[11:32] <gm78> nnacht, no problem
[11:33] <MidNightRaVeN> gm78: yea... it's a bit to take on just yet... i still have to get my sound card to work lol
[11:33] <IceDC571> why cant they just call it the dildo browser?
[11:33] <othernoob> IceDC571: because guys wouldn't use it :p
[11:34] <gm78> MidNightRaVeN, what kind of sound card?
[11:34] <thoreauputic> IceDC571: heh - funny name I agree: but dillo is blazingly fast at least
[11:34] <MidNightRaVeN> gm78: Creative Audigy ZS Gamer
[11:34] <MidNightRaVeN> haven't tried to mess all that much to get it to work
[11:34] <othernoob> MidNightRaVeN: and what is the problem?
[11:34] <gm78> thoreauputic, yeah, and it craps out on standards compliant sites. run www.redhat.com through w3c.org's html checker, it should be compliant, dillo wont render it properly
[11:35] <gm78> MidNightRaVeN, open a terminal, type lspci, and then post the line about your soundcard
[11:35] <MidNightRaVeN> dunno... no sound... could just be something stupid like the sound is just muted or something cuz I just started Ubuntu today... but I mean... the sound isn't muted and for some reason when i try to test it, nothing plays
[11:35] <tiglionabbit> wow, leafpad and mousepad are exactly the same thing.  They are identical in every way except that mousepad has a print button!
[11:35] <MidNightRaVeN> kk
[11:36] <thoreauputic> gm78: dillo has no support for frames etc - and I agree it doesn't render pages as they are written at times
[11:36] <thoreauputic> gm78: still a nice little browser for searches and docs etc
[11:36] <MidNightRaVeN> 0000:02:08.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 04)
[11:36] <MidNightRaVeN> that?
[11:36] <gm78> thoreauputic, yeah, i tried it but i need java applets and for pages to load properly, etc. a lot of my schooling is done through a web browser
[11:36] <martii> hi
[11:37] <martii> question about cron as ubuntu comes with anacron
[11:37] <thoreauputic> gm78: I use it mostly for local files and on my old pentium 200 machine
[11:37] <gm78> MidNightRaVeN, yep, hats it
[11:37] <gm78> *thats
[11:37] <othernoob> MidNightRaVeN: do you use kde or gnome?
[11:37] <tiglionabbit> what is cron?
[11:37] <martii> does /etc/init.d/cron restart restart anacron ?
[11:37] <MidNightRaVeN> gnome
[11:37] <MidNightRaVeN> for now anywho
[11:37] <martii> in fact there is cron + anacron
[11:37] <gm78> MidNightRaVeN, ok, how are you trying to test your sound? like with what program?
[11:37] <martii> why ?
[11:38] <nikkia> martii: they serve different purposes
[11:38] <tiglionabbit> MidNightRaVeN: if you ever decide to add kde, install the package 'kubuntu-desktop' while you don't have a backports repository in your list.  Just uh, store that snigget of info for later
[11:38] <othernoob> i have the Audigy 2 ZS and all i had to do was to select analog output MidNightRaVeN
[11:38] <gm78> tiglionabbit, if u install kubuntu-desktop, does it replace gdm with kdm or anything like that?
[11:38] <othernoob> in KMix...which you don't have
[11:38] <nikkia> martii: if you want a program to run 'once a day, at, or after, 8am' anacron is your solution....
[11:38] <tiglionabbit> gm78: it asks you if you'd like to
[11:38] <thoreauputic> martii: anacron does useful stuff like running cron after the machine has been down or otherwise unable to run cron jobs
[11:39] <gm78> tiglionabbit, ah, alright
[11:39] <MidNightRaVeN> gm78: well.. i tried the program Ubuntu Device Database i think it is, and it asked if it played sound... and nothing happened
[11:39] <IceDC571> omg
[11:39] <IceDC571> someone made my dream come true! http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=208
[11:39] <tiglionabbit> gm78: it installs kdm regardless, but during the install it asks you which you'd like to make the default.  You can always switch in sys -> admin -> login screen setup
[11:39] <IceDC571> a gtk-based msn messenger!
[11:39] <MidNightRaVeN> gm78,: where do you select analog sound from?
[11:39] <othernoob> is there something like Kmix for Gnome?
[11:39] <gm78> MidNightRaVeN, open a private chat with me, i might be able to get it going
[11:39] <jeroen_> IceDC571, It can't be as good as amsn ;-)
[11:39] <MidNightRaVeN> =(
[11:40] <MidNightRaVeN> gm78: how do i do that?
[11:40] <REWind> Hi! I just recovered my computer after a Windows installation. But when grub reinstalled itself on the bootblock it started to name the partitions diffrent since before
[11:40] <martii> thoreauputic: ok so should I restart anacron ?
[11:40] <gm78> query gm78 (put a forward slash in front of query though)
[11:40] <othernoob> "/query name" MidNightRaVeN
[11:40] <nikkia> martii: why do you feel you need to restart anacron ?
[11:40] <IceDC571> jeroen_: oh but it will rule over amsn as it progresses :)
[11:40] <MidNightRaVeN> othernoob: thx =D
[11:40] <thoreauputic> martii: yeah, sudo  /etc/init.d/anacron restart
[11:40] <REWind> Is it any way to get grub to understand the real partitions names?
[11:40] <IceDC571> after all its only version 0.1
[11:40] <thoreauputic> or whatever
[11:41] <jeroen_> IceDC571, okay, whatever ;-) If you can get it into universe, I will try it :-)
[11:41] <martii> thoreauputic: I think it does not work well
[11:41] <tiglionabbit> REWind: grub numbers your partitions by their order from the master, starting with hd0,0
[11:42] <thoreauputic> martii: ?
[11:42] <martii> thoreauputic: /etc/init.d/anacron restart and nothing happens
[11:42] <martii> thoreauputic: while
[11:42] <martii> /etc/init.d/cron restart * Restarting periodic command scheduler...                              [ ok ]
[11:42] <thoreauputic> martii: you don't normally need to touch anacron - what are you doing that requires this?
[11:42] <martii> thoreauputic: edit anacron file
[11:43] <martii> thoreauputic: /etc/cron.d/anacron
[11:45] <yonil> Q: which software can encode an avi video with DivX / XviD or something else ?
[11:45] <martii> yonil: mplayer
[11:45] <REWind> tiglionabbit, I needed to remove the windows partion and the swap partion to be albe to reformat and recreate the windows partition before installation. That created a change in partitions number as you say... it counts from the "master"..  That was my misstake I would say.
[11:45] <martii> yonil: it has encoder boundeled in
[11:45] <yonil> martii, oh right i forgot ... i
[11:46] <yonil> i'll try it then, thanks
[11:46] <REWind> If I had restarted the machine again before reinstall grub, grub would have recongnise the change in partitionnumbering and then done the installation as I wanted it to be... but now that's not the case. Can I somehow correct this?
[11:46] <nikkia> yonil: mplayer (mencoder), ffmpeg, transcode, etc
[11:47] <IceDC571> is balsa more lightweight than evolution?
[11:47] <thoreauputic> IceDC571: yes
[11:47] <thoreauputic> IceDC571: almost anything is lighter weight than evolution ;)
[11:47] <gm78> Hey, just wondering, anyone here using 3ddesktop?
[11:47] <tiglionabbit> lol, when you run pornview, on the taskbar it shows "proview_status"
[11:47] <tiglionabbit> that's awesome
[11:48] <IceDC571> is it supposed to be like a disguise?
[11:48] <tiglionabbit> well it's better than someone seeing the word "porn" in your tasks
[11:48] <IceDC571> i see
[11:48] <gm78> probably wouldnt look good if ur boss walked behind u and saw it
[11:49] <othernoob> only if it's a woman :P
[11:49] <IceDC571> well my boss is bisexual
[11:49] <tiglionabbit> oh sorry I'm wrong, it shows the pornview one too
[11:49] <vuduchld> i have installed ubuntu in my spare box many times.  however -- the past couple of times the monitor frequency has been out of range and it no longer boots into GDM.  i think my monitor has a safeguard for that because a convenient blue box came up with nothing else telling me what was going on.  considering there is nothing in the ubuntu install that has any configurable options for monitors, i'm assuming, something with the updates / de
[11:49] <ateves> is there some linux notifier for gmail?
[11:49] <_4strO_> yop oyp
[11:49] <gm78> IceDC571, ur boss is pretty open and honest with u i take it?
[11:49] <IceDC571> ateves: yep
[11:49] <vuduchld> have misinterpreted my monitor
[11:49] <gm78> :P
[11:50] <nikkia> if my boss walked up behind me, i'd be seriously worried about how  he broke into my home :P
[11:50] <ateves> IceDC571: which one?
[11:50] <IceDC571> ateves: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=590
[11:50] <tiglionabbit> I wish I had a boss.  I've got no job!
[11:51] <IceDC571> ateves: actually nevermind.. its for windowmaker
[11:51] <vuduchld> has anyone every experienced my monitor problem ?
[11:51] <tiglionabbit> I've been trying really hard to get hired...   having difficulty even getting one at Wendy's
[11:51] <thoreauputic> vuduchld: I would run sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg and enter your monitor's specs
[11:51] <othernoob> tiglionabbit: you'll have to show your goods more ;)
[11:51] <tiglionabbit> goods?
[11:51] <vuduchld> thoreauputic thank you
[11:51] <vuduchld> i think i can get to a command prompt
[11:51] <tiglionabbit> I suppose I should make a flashy website
[11:52] <tiglionabbit> I hand around my resume, which looks like this: http://people.ucsc.edu/~nretalla/resume.html
[11:52] <tiglionabbit> zomg, now you know where I live
[11:53] <Will__> Able to reconfigure MOST operating systems, eh?
[11:53] <nikkia> tiglionabbit: personally, i wouldn't put the dvorak stuff in there
[11:53] <Will__> I'm not impressed. I demand dvorak on ALL platforms
[11:54] <nikkia> it'll just confuse HR people, and they don't like being confused
[11:54] <tiglionabbit> Will__: I only say "Most" because someone is going to have me use an uber-primitive database program with no underlying OS
[11:55] <ateves> IceDC571: i dislike this program right now, because no dependent packages can be found via apt
[11:55] <nikkia> Will__: i can think of a few situations where dvorak is a no-go
[11:55] <Will__> That's the one reason I hold off on dvorak.
[11:55] <nikkia> Will__: a vt terminal to a remote machine, for example
[11:55] <tiglionabbit> and yeah, you're right, maybe I do want to tailor it to what will actually make them want to talk to me first
[11:55] <nikkia> tiglionabbit: when i was looking for a job last, i had about 12 different resumes
[11:55] <Will__> nikkia: sarcasm. I dislike it as an idea, and am dubious of some studies of speed
[11:56] <tiglionabbit> nikkia: =\  is it that hard?
[11:56] <nikkia> tiglionabbit: each one tailored to presenting a different set of skills as the 'key', each potential employer got the resume most suited to their needs
[11:56] <tiglionabbit> I've applied to over 30 places already.  Yeah..
[11:56] <nikkia> tiglionabbit: i dunno, its just a trick i was told to use, and it helped, i think
[11:56] <Will__> nikkia has the right idea
[11:56] <tiglionabbit> still waiting for a response from Wendy's, and that Cleaners place
[11:57] <pepsix> tiglionabbit, mmmm.. another person looking for employment at fine establishments
[11:57] <tiglionabbit> I don't like being dishonest
[11:57] <pepsix> at least im not alone :D
[11:57] <vuduchld> i rebooted.  in my bios screen it was off center.  i made it center.  oddly when it resumed booting GDM came up just fine.  thoreauputic -- do you think this is alright ?
[11:57] <nikkia> tiglionabbit: you don't need to be dishonest, you just need to make sure that your skill set presented in the resume most suits the job its for
[11:57] <thoreauputic> vuduchld: hey, if it works why change it ?
[11:58] <tiglionabbit> vuduchld: it is common that after installing video acceleration, the screen is a little off in adjustment
[11:58] <vuduchld> ok just wanted to make sure it was safe
[11:58] <vuduchld> thanks
[11:58] <nikkia> tiglionabbit: noone's going to dive thru a list of OS sysadmin tasks to find that you say you can program C at the bottom, when they want a developer, for example
[11:58] <tiglionabbit> nikkia: that's why I put C near the top
[11:58] <othernoob> nikkia, i hardly doubt that Wendy's cares about any of it either...
[11:58] <vuduchld> actually no acceleration was installed merely a kvm connecting the two computers.  i was in bios post screen