[23:11] <Lanlost> I need a few things.. that are different from windows based systems.. I don't just need to know the driver.. I need to know what it's using for GL
[23:11] <Lanlost> SanityInAnarchy, but if I use generic VESA.. I get better speed than using ATI driver
[23:11] <SanityInAnarchy> Lanlost:  Complain to Adobe, or complain to YouTube for requiring Flash instead of embedding videos normally.
[23:11] <Lanlost> embedding videos normally as in what?
[23:11] <Lanlost> before YouTube I don't remember videos being embedded well at all
[23:11] <Lt88> Lanlost: grep -i driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[23:12] <Lanlost> Lt88.. I just said.. it's auto detected so it's not in xorg.conf
[23:12] <SanityInAnarchy> Embed tags. Pretty much would end up being quicktime, or windows media, or VLC -- whatever we wanted to put in there.
[23:12] <Lanlost> I'm used to putting it in xorg.conf but it's not there
[23:12] <Lt88> Lanlost: eww.
[23:12] <Lanlost> eww how? that's what I said
[23:12] <Lanlost> someone told me "xorg.conf is on the way out" and that was their only comment
[23:12] <Lt88> Lanlost: i would reconfigure xserver if i were you.
[23:13] <Lanlost> Lt88, I would love to..
[23:13] <Lanlost> the problem is that.. I don't know what I'm using right now.. so if the driver I use isn't as good.. I don't know what to switch back to
[23:13] <eleventy-six> cezar: you might be able to do it with dkpg , but read the man page first
[23:13] <masterloki> bazhang I got this message in the new user when i tried move a file over "cannot be copied because you do not have permissions to create it in destination
[23:13] <Lanlost> also.. reconfiguring xorg.. there is no sectin in the dpkg reconfigure thing.. for video anymore
[23:14] <viperserv1> guys i need help with gnome anyone here use it?
[23:14] <masterloki> and I don't under stand this
[23:14] <viperserv1> i added a user and she can't use wine
[23:14] <Lt88> Lanlost: i upgrade the last three or four versions, so my hardy installs run ati driver in xorg. i dunno
[23:15] <rustynails> everytime i try to run xorg, i get these crazy horizontal lines across my screen, and composites still do not run
[23:15] <masterloki> what do I need to do
[23:15] <Lt88> Lanlost: ubuntu needs whacking 'n hacking now and then, imho.
[23:15] <puff> Templarian:  I haven't looked at rapidSVN at all.  I'm really comfortable with the command line (been a unix userf since 1985), so I tend to be very utilitarian.
[23:15] <schlicht> what do i have to add to my .gtkrc-2.0 file to change the icons fot gtk apps?
[23:15] <puff> Templarian: Hm... https://sourceforge.net/projects/svnmanagerlib
[23:15] <bazhang> masterloki, move a file over from the mp3player?
[23:16] <CuteNess>               What is 'am--refresh'????
[23:16] <bazhang> CuteNess, where did you see it
[23:17] <b2thep> hey i just got ubuntu and it isn't playing nice with my wireless card, can anyone help me? (it is a realtek 8185)
[23:17] <masterloki> bazhang and put the file I want on there and try to move it back right
[23:17] <bazhang> b2thep, how many entries in ifconfig two or three
[23:18] <b2thep> bazhang: i am brand new to linux, what do you mean?
[23:18] <Lanlost> Lt88, I am using an ATI driver i'm pretty sure. I'm just using mesa for opengl
[23:18] <bazhang> b2thep, open a terminal (alt-f2 gnome-terminal) and type ifconfig and see if there are three or two entries
[23:19] <Lanlost> the problem is.. I can use the ATI 3d accel.. but then compiz frame rate drops terribly... but if I don't it works fine
[23:19] <Lt88> b2thep: whip open a terminal and type: /sbin/ifconfig
[23:19] <CuteNess> bazhang: i saw it in this context:
[23:19] <CuteNess> $ make
[23:19] <CuteNess> cd ../.. && make am--refresh
[23:19] <CuteNess> make[1]: Entering directory '/cygdrive'
[23:19] <CuteNess> make[1]: *** No rule to make target 'am--refresh'. Stop.
[23:19] <CuteNess> make[1]: Leaving directory '/cygdrive'
[23:19] <FloodBot1> CuteNess: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:19] <Lanlost> mesa renders compiz great.. but flgrx or whatever it it is.. runs compiz terribly.. but flgrx is going to run opengl games great... mesa won't
[23:19] <Lanlost> so I can either have good opengl for games. for good opengl for compiz
[23:19] <b2thep> bazhang: there's a"eth0"and a"lo"
[23:19] <Lanlost> it's stupid
[23:20] <Ganandorf> what application allows you to use your tv capture card
[23:20] <Lanlost> because the ATI driver doesn't support indirect direct rendering
[23:20] <bazhang> Lanlost, aye, agreed but this is getting a bit offtopic
[23:20] <Lanlost> bazhang, not really
[23:20] <Lt88> Lanlost: have you tried to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg from console? it should generate an xorg.conf and give you resolution options, monitor rates and the all important video driver, use ati imo.
[23:20] <masterloki> that did not work  I got this error message: The folder "MUSIC" cannot be copied because you do not have permissions to create it in the destination.
[23:20] <Lanlost> Lt88, .. no it doesn't that what I'm saying
[23:21] <Ganandorf> and also what linux based application works like adobe audition any audio recording and wave editing software
[23:21] <bazhang> Lanlost, the driver does not support that sort of rendering; continuing on about here wont change that
[23:21] <Lanlost> Lt88, it doens't have video information anymore
[23:21] <Konam> Hi
[23:21] <Ganandorf> or make beats like fruity loops or reason
[23:21] <Ganandorf> any body
[23:21] <Lanlost> bazhang, but that's what I'm trying to figure out.. I'm trying to figure out WHAT doens't work about to see if there is a work around.. I was just told this very quickly.. installed and lost the link
[23:21] <b2thep> bazhang: did you get that?
[23:22] <Lt88> Lanlost: hrm. there must be a way.
[23:22] <Lanlost> Lt88, all dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg asks anymore is about your keyboard and mouse .. and that's basically it
[23:22] <akk> Ganandorf: I have no idea about that adobe program, but audacity does recording and sound editing.
[23:22] <Lanlost> I've done the xserver-xorg reconfiguration
[23:22] <bazhang> b2thep, aye, now in terminal type lspci and say the exact name (chipset) of the card -->just the one line
[23:22] <Lanlost> here let me paste the xorg.conf it made into paste.ubuntu.com
[23:22] <Templarian> puff: i think rapidshare is what i wanted... but what is the url of my subversion on the same comp. its in /var/svn/repos
[23:22] <b2thep> Lt88: i got what looks like a "eth0" and a "lo"
[23:22] <bazhang> Lanlost, this is hardy or gutsy
[23:22] <Ganandorf> ok cool and how do i access my tv capture card
[23:23] <Lt88> Lanlost: are you running that inside X, or from recovery mode? [not sure if it'll matter]
[23:23] <Ganandorf> and whats applications allows you to make instrumental beats and stuff
[23:23] <Konam> I've been noticing that with Compiz enabled my gnome session takes some time to fully load the gnome environment, it can be annoying, I mean, is not too much but I don't know if that a normal behaviour... is it?
[23:23] <SanityInAnarchy> Ok, problem: How do I force the default config files to be regenerated for a package, without completely removing/reinstalling it?
[23:23] <bazhang> Konam, how much time
[23:24] <Lanlost> Lt88, http://paste.ubuntu.com/13948/
[23:24] <Konam> bazhang like 14+ seconds
[23:24] <Zaiden> I'm having an issue enabling sound with a Diamond Xtreme 5.1 sound card : /
[23:24] <Lanlost> that's what it created using the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[23:24] <Lt88> b2thep: bazhang wanted to know that output.
[23:24] <cezar> eleventy-six: Thanks, I read the dpgk page and solved my problem. Thanks.
[23:24] <Lanlost> bazhang, the reason this isn't offtopic is my original question. How do I figure out what driver I'm using if it's autodetected since it's not stored in xorg.conf anymore
[23:24] <b2thep> Lt88: yeah i was telling you too in case u could help
[23:24] <eleventy-six> SanityInAnarchy: dpkg-reconfigure -phigh package_name
[23:24] <Lanlost> There has to be something to cat and grep
[23:25] <Konam> bazhang everything is fine after that, it just take those seconds starting up
[23:25] <bazhang> Lanlost, this is hardy or gutsy
[23:25] <Lanlost> hardy
[23:25] <Lanlost> that was a question, right?
[23:26] <CuteNess>               Help :(
[23:26] <bazhang> lanlost then the new command for that is gksudo displayconfig-gtk
[23:26] <Tailsfan> Hello, Every time I set acpi=force on my Desktop, the sound's disabled and I need acpi=force to shutdown properly, what do I do?
[23:26] <SanityInAnarchy> eleventy-six: Nope, dpkg-reconfigure doesn't do it, for any priority value.
[23:26] <Tailsfan> What is it CuteNess?
[23:26] <Lt88> Lanlost: your xorg.conf has no details, let me post mine.
[23:26] <bazhang> CuteNess, what are you trying to compile
[23:26] <Lanlost> CuteNess, I don't understand what you are trying to do
[23:26] <Lanlost> if it can't make 'target am-refresh' then it's a problem with the program you are compiling
[23:27] <Lanlost> it doesn't know what am-refresh is.. or how to make it
[23:27]  * slashdot is away: I'm busy
[23:27] <SanityInAnarchy> eleventy-six:  For at least a few isolated packages, I can completely remove (purge), then reinstall. But that's a bit inconvenient for, say, xserver-xorg-core, as uninstalling wants to remove everything that depends on it.
[23:27] <b2thep> bazhang: can u help me?
[23:27] <bazhang> !away > slashdot
[23:27] <Lanlost> Lt88, I know.. I've used linux with xwindows for quite some time.. That's exactly what I'm saying.. I can run in all the correct resolutions for my monitor and everything
[23:27] <Lanlost> and it's not listedin there at all
[23:27] <bazhang> b2thep, need the chipset on that card
[23:27] <Lanlost> it's the most generic looking xorg.conf I've ever seen
[23:28] <Lanlost> and I showed someone and they said "yeah xorg.conf is on the way out.. everything is auto detected now if possible"
[23:28] <res22> msg nickserv
[23:28] <b2thep> bazhang: how do i find that?
[23:28] <Stormx2> Hi. Can I blacklist certain apps in init.d from starting up?
[23:28] <bazhang> b2thep, lspci
[23:28] <Lanlost> The way I see it.. It's great if everything is auto detected.. but why not auto detect and then put the information in xorg.conf to use?
[23:28] <Lanlost> it used to do that..
[23:28] <Lanlost> now everything that is autodetected video wise doesn't go into xorg.conf.. so I don't know any other way to check
[23:29] <Lanlost> I can do glxgears -info
[23:29] <SanityInAnarchy> Lanlost:  Well, if it puts that information in xorg.conf, except as comments, that means it won't autodetect in the future, right?
[23:29] <SanityInAnarchy> glxinfo
[23:29] <Lanlost> WHY .. why.. why does this happen.. this is the ultimate reason I go back to window
[23:29] <zerg_> i am currently ubuntu 7.04 and i have a 8.04 disc how can i upgrade with out losing all my data or wireless configs?
[23:29] <Lanlost> why does video stuff break for no reason?
[23:29] <Lanlost> I was using glxgears yesterday...
[23:29] <Lanlost> I had to work.. literally had no time to change anything
[23:29] <Lanlost> Error: Could not get dma buffer... exiting
[23:29] <bazhang> zerg_, do you have a separate /home partition
[23:29] <Lanlost> I get that now
[23:29] <shinjin> Where can I find some good and reliable gDesklets or another application that does the same thing? My google is broken because I can't find anything.
[23:29] <zerg_> i dont think i do
[23:30] <cl0s-home> how to i install a new kernel?? if there is a new release for the kernel i can install using apt
[23:30] <Konam> bazhang is that a normal beahviour?
[23:30] <Konam> I just want to know that
[23:30] <cl0s-home> theres a fix on the new one i need..
[23:30] <Lanlost> I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg.. but it didn't change my xorg.conf at all.. how could glxgears not work now because of that
[23:30] <Lt88> Lanlost: i forgot, i'm on a debian machine but my hardy xorg is nearly identical http://paste.ubuntu.com/13949/
[23:30] <Lanlost> this is what I'm talking about.. this is my problem with linux
[23:30] <bazhang> Konam, sounds quite odd; you have compiz startup on boot?
[23:30] <Lanlost> glxgears.. works fine.. xorg.conf gets reconfigured and doesn't change at all
[23:30] <b2thep> bazhang ok i typed lspci in the terminal and near the bottom i've got "02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8038 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller (rev 14)
[23:30] <b2thep> 08:09.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8185 IEEE 802.11a/b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 20)"
[23:30] <Lanlost> at all... and now glxgears own't work
[23:31] <Lanlost> it doens't make sense... something had to change.. and yet theres nothing that tells you that anything is being changed
[23:31] <Konam> bazhang no, can you do that? I mean, compiz loads after the X server..
[23:31] <zerg_> when i put disc in synaptic pack manag can start and lists a bunch of stuff i can check mark and install will this upgrade my ubuntu version?
[23:31] <Lanlost> people get mad all the time that windows machines have trojans (that aren't really trojans, as in a lot of times they are programs people want)
[23:31] <bazhang> Lanlost, the offtopic I refer to is all the editorial comments
[23:31] <Lanlost> that install stuff without letting you know..
[23:31] <Lt88> Lanlost: something is really whacked, is ths an upgrade direct from gutsy?
[23:31] <Lanlost> no.. this is fresh install
[23:31] <Konam> bazhang how much time does it take for you?
[23:32] <Lanlost> The guy who told me this about xorg.conf was using hardy also.. fresh install
[23:32] <Zaiden> If I installed a sound card, should I unplug the onboard sound?
[23:32] <Lanlost> everyone I know who is using hardy has this same thing. it's just that it works fine for everyone so it doesn't affect them.
[23:32] <SanityInAnarchy> So, no answers? I need to completely reinstall, because packages won't reconfigure themselves?
[23:32] <bazhang> Konam, never timed it, probably not that long though-->you might want to ask in compiz channel for expert advice
[23:33] <Ganandorf> help i need to know what application or applications allow me to use one my web cam two my tv capture card
[23:33] <zerg_> when i put disc in synaptic pack manag can start and lists a bunch of stuff i can check mark and install will this upgrade my ubuntu version?
[23:33] <Lanlost> see Lt88, your video sections are what my old xorg.conf's looked like
[23:33] <Stormx2> SanityInAnarchy, there might be some apt-get rules
[23:33] <Stormx2> hold on.
[23:33] <Lanlost> with I dont even have 'driver' or 'busid' or any of the screen mode stuff
[23:33] <Lanlost> compiz is working fine though.... great framework.. everything is working great
[23:33] <Lanlost> and until .. an hour ago. glxgears worked fine
[23:33] <b2thep> bazhang: does that mean anything to u?
[23:34] <Lanlost> .. well fine.
[23:34] <Lt88> Lanlost: i upgraded, still have my xorg.conf. i've heard it can run without xorg.conf but i havent done it.
[23:34] <SanityInAnarchy> Stormx2: The closest I've gotten is dpkg-reconfigure, which doesn't seem to do it.
[23:34] <Lanlost> Lt88, if you run glxgears on that computer and move the window.. does it update correctly?
[23:34] <Lanlost> for me.. if I have glxgears open. and I move the window, it leaves imprints of the old window
[23:34] <bazhang> b2thep, what about lsmod-->what 8139 modules are loaded
[23:34] <Lanlost> like.. I'll get the frame it was on.. still drawn there as like an unerased dirty rectangle
[23:34] <imjesus_1> how do i use this im really new to this
[23:34] <Lanlost> the window border stays there.. the frame that was drawn stays there
[23:35] <bazhang> imjesus_1, use what
[23:35] <bazhang> Lanlost, please take the chat elsewhere
[23:35] <imjesus_1> how do i change the screen resolution
[23:35] <Lanlost> I can do this multiple times.. I can run glxgears.. move the window, move it.. move it.. and I have like 5 glxgears windows but only one being updated.. the rest are just not erased
[23:35] <Lt88> Lanlost: it works fine, albeit rather slow
[23:35] <Scunizi> Lanlost: that sometimes has to do with the video card and driver.. I have a 256meg nvidia 6600gt and it will do it sometimes on certain programs.  It'll also depend on how many other things I have open..
[23:36] <Polarina> I have this Intel HD Audio sound card ("00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)") on a Mitac laptop and I can't hear any sounds after a fresh Ubuntu 8.04 LTS live CD installation (I retried the installation multiple times)... Can anyone help me?
[23:36] <Lanlost> Right Scunizi, It does have to do with the driver.. that's what I'm trying to figure out
[23:36] <Lanlost> Bazhang, I'm not looking to be annoying .. I'm not looking to get kicked or banned.. and if you want me to take it somewhere else I will. I'm not trying to be difficult
[23:36] <aO|DB-DX> http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/12/22/whyIsMarijuanaIllegal.html
[23:36] <b2thep> bazhang: i don't see anything about 8139 modules
[23:36] <Lanlost> I'm just saying, I'm not saying anything offtopic.. no more than people asking what is program to use for video capture or why something won't make
[23:36] <Zirg> Hey Gang. Oki C3400. Where will I get the ppd's for that printer? (which package?)
[23:37] <Lanlost> Asking how to use ubuntu to check my video card driver in use without using xorg.conf is off-topic?
[23:37] <imjesus_1> anyone down to help me i got a ton of questions to ask about ubuntu
[23:37] <Lanlost> I guess I just don't understand where the line lays for being on or off-topic.. It's not like I'm talking about music or my favorite tv show
[23:37] <Lanlost> this is very specifically ubuntu related
[23:37] <b2thep> bazhang: nevermind i got to go i'll figure it out later
[23:37] <Lanlost> if you have a problem with how much I'm talking.. that's another thing and I apologize, but it's not off-topic.
[23:38] <bazhang> Lanlost, the best bet is to hear from a user/guru in compiz who comes in here name of crdl-b; he can sort that in about five seconds-
[23:38] <Lanlost> I suppose if anyone want's to talk about ubuntu but not in here head over to #redroom which I have registered.
[23:38] <Scunizi> Lanlost: well.. to check which driver you're using you might try System/Admin/Restricted Drivers manager.  If you have an nvidia card and you've "ticked" it on then it's the correct nvidia driver.. but looking at xorg.conf is just a verification that it's set properly.
[23:38] <Stormx2> SanityInAnarchy: dpkg --force-depends -r -p package
[23:38] <Stormx2> MIGHT work
[23:38] <Stormx2> Check the manpage first
[23:38] <bazhang> Lanlost, PM please
[23:38] <Stormx2> Thats what I can make of it.
[23:38] <FloodBot1> Stormx2: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:38] <Zaiden> Anybody here have a Diamond Xtreme soundcard installed?
[23:39] <Lanlost> Scunizi, I have the restricted drivers manager.. it has an ATI driver in there.. I'm not using it. On purpose
[23:39] <Lt88> Lanlost: wish i were more help, g'luck. /end offtopic
[23:39] <Lanlost> I know how to do that, I could edit xorg.conf if I wanted and add the driver
[23:39] <imjesus_1> any dope programs for ubuntu
[23:39] <Scunizi> Lanlost: so you have an ATI card?
[23:39] <Lanlost> yes
[23:39] <Ashex> quick question
[23:40] <Ashex> What's the name of the failsafe mode for video on the live disc?
[23:40] <Ashex> Hit F4 and select: ?
[23:40] <Ashex> Trying to tell someone how to get video working on the live disc, but can't remember the name of the option
[23:40] <Lanlost> What I don't understand about this being so off-topic is that .. it has nothing to specifically do with compiz. It COMPLETELY has to do with Linux and Ubuntu in general. I don't need help from someone with compiz
[23:40] <Zirg> Ashex, you mean as in framebuffer?
[23:40] <Ashex> Zirg: yes
[23:40] <Lanlost> Scunizi, all I am trying to do is figure out what I'm supposed to do to figure out what driver I'm using.
[23:40] <Ashex> on the boot menu for the live disc, you hit F4 for alternate video modes
[23:41] <absnt> How do I see a list of installed programs?
[23:41] <Zirg> Ashex, vga=791  is a common one
[23:41] <sh3l1> O LAWDS IS DAT SOME UBUNTU
[23:41] <Lanlost> Scunizi, can I PM you?
[23:41] <Scunizi> Lanlost: the easiest way is getting to a terminal and "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf".. brb.. call coming in.
[23:41] <Ashex> Zirg: I know, but in the live disc, you press F4 for a menu, one of those options using the vesa/framebuffer driver
[23:41] <absnt> How do I see a list of installed programs that I didn't install through package manager
[23:41] <Zirg> absnt, dpkg -l  <ENTER>
[23:41] <Lanlost> .. christ.
[23:41] <Lanlost> OK.. I'm going to paste this as one consise question.
[23:41] <Slart> Lanlost: can't you see what kernel module you're using?
[23:42] <Zirg> Ashex, oh? (shrug)  I just append   vga=791   for fb.
[23:42] <Lanlost> Well, I don't know how.. that would be the question then.
[23:42] <isleshocky77> So I figured how to manually get two Panels across my two screens in KDE 4.  But now I'm trying to get the Task Manager Widgets to only show the windows on their respective Screens.  Any help would be appreciated. I've tried adding a bunch of different config settings to my plasma config file for the widget and non have worked.
[23:42] <Lanlost> If this is offtopic becuase I didn't know to ask 'kernal module' instead of 'driver' then sorry.
[23:42] <akk> absnt: you can see installed packages in synaptic. If you want to see all runnable programs, you could try getting a terminal and typing a<tab><tab> to see all programs starting with a ... continue for the other letters.
[23:42] <Slart> Lanlost: lsmod
[23:42] <Lanlost> Slart THANK YOU
[23:42] <akk> absnt: but I think you'll get information overload pretty fast that way :)
[23:42] <Zirg> Hey Gang. Oki C3400. Where will I get the ppd's for that printer? (which package?)
[23:42] <absnt> akk: thanks
[23:42] <Slart> Lanlost: I'm not entirely sure about this.. but aren't the drivers kernel modules? at least I think the nvidia driver is a kernel module
[23:43] <Lanlost> Slart, bazhang keeps telling me I am being off-topic and to ask someone who knows about compiz
[23:43] <Lanlost> but my question has nothing to do with compiz..
[23:43] <imjesus_1> im really new and i will appreciate some help so can someone help me
[23:43] <Arrick> !static IP | arrick
[23:43] <Arrick> !static IP
[23:43] <Zirg> imjesus_1, with?
[23:43] <Arrick> !static
[23:43] <imjesus_1> like evrything
[23:43] <Arrick> hrmmm
[23:43] <Slart> Lanlost: bazhang is usually corrent.. I wouldn't dismiss his advice that quickly
[23:44] <Vretilli> Hi guys, i've a question...i want to create a partition in my hard disk...i've 2GB of RAM...how much large i must do the swap partition?...and, for the swap partition i must use the format swap2? (i've only swap2  in paragon partition...and other formats not for linux obviously)
[23:44] <Slart> Lanlost: but run lsmod in a terminal and see what you get
[23:44] <Arrick> if you were Jesus, you would be helping others, not needing help imjesus_1
[23:44] <Lanlost> Slart, I've seen bazhang in here a lot. and I've seen him be correct almost all of the time
[23:44] <Lanlost> Thats why I'm trying so hard not to get on his nerves
[23:44] <Zirg> imjesus_1, the answer to "Life, the Universe and...EVERYTHING" is 42.   Does THAT help??  :-)
[23:44] <Lanlost> weird, nvidia_agp              9628  1
[23:45] <Slart> Lanlost: I'm using the nvidia binary driver.. and I have one nvidia module "nvidia               8858052  44"
[23:45] <Lanlost> rt2x00pci              11264  1 rt2500pci
[23:45] <Zirg> Lanlost, does an  lspci   show an nV device in there?
[23:45] <Lanlost> lsmod is just a complete list of every kernel module that is loaded then, right?
[23:45] <Vretilli> anyone can helps me? :(
[23:45] <Lanlost> Zirg, I'm not using an nvidia card
[23:45] <Lanlost> that's what I pasted that
[23:45] <Slart> Lanlost: afaik, yes
[23:46] <Lt88> Lanlost: does lspci reveal an ATI Radeon card?
[23:46] <Slart> Lanlost: but you'd have to check the man page to find out what the numbers mean
[23:46] <Zirg> Lanlost, I didn't ask that. :-)  I asked,    does an   lspci    show a nV device in there?
[23:46] <Lanlost> 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AS [Radeon 9550]
[23:46] <Lanlost> 02:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AS [Radeon 9550] (Secondary)
[23:46] <gerardoj> does anybody knows how to send msgs throughout my LAN using the terminal?
[23:46] <Vretilli> please help me! :(
[23:46] <Slart> gerardoj: smbclient -M or something like that
[23:47] <eleventy-six> Vretilli: the general rule is to have your swap twice the size of your memory
[23:47] <Slart> gerardoj: check "man smbclient" for the syntax
[23:47] <Lanlost> Zirg, no.. the nvidia thing is probably becuase my motherboard is an nforce
[23:47] <Lanlost> I forgot that
[23:47] <ubuntu_> Hello! I have a computer that I think is just about to die on me. IT's pretty old so I'm using Xubuntu, and I want to try to mount my hard drive (which I think crashed) to pull data off of it. How do I do this?
[23:47] <gerardoj> Slart: thanks
[23:47] <Zirg> Lanlost, BINGO. :-) Thank You.
[23:47] <bazhang> https://launchpad.net/bugs/188788
[23:47] <Vretilli> eleventy, a must do it 2 GB then?
[23:48] <eleventy-six> Vretilli: you said you have 2GB ram, so make swap 4GB
[23:48] <DIL> ubuntu_: dd
[23:48] <Vretilli> 4 GB O.O
[23:49] <Vretilli> are you sure?
[23:49] <Slart> Vretilli: the old 2xRAM rule is very old.. I don't know if you need the swap space for some kind of hibernation thingy.. but 4gb of swap seems a lot
[23:49] <ubuntu_> DIL: What is dd?
[23:49] <Slart> Vretilli: I have 4GB ram and I don't think I've used my swap since I installed ubuntu on this machine 2 years ago
[23:49] <Zirg> ubuntu_,  in a term as root,  fdisk -l   <ENTER>  to find out what partitions are on what drives, then when you find the one YOU want,  mount /dev/{drive/partition} /mnt/  <ENTER>
[23:50] <n2diy> anybody know of an open smtp server?
[23:50] <Slart> DIL:  "man dd" gives you some info
[23:50] <DIL> ubuntu_: dd will do a bit for bit copy of your dead drive you can then mount ut and take your data off
[23:50] <Lanlost> Ok, so lspci lists that I have 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AS [Radeon 9550] and lsmod has radeon                124192  2
[23:50] <Zirg> ubuntu_, dd is a way of getting a RAW dump of the device.
[23:50] <Slart> n2diy: huh.. isn't that like.. bad?
[23:50] <Lanlost> does that mean my driver is 'radeon' as in opposed to ati or whatever
[23:50] <ubuntu_> Uh, I typed in fdisk-l, but it doesn't say anything at all. Does this mean my hard drive is toast?
[23:51] <Vretilli> Slart..then, how many space i must to create for the swap partion with 2GB ram?
[23:51] <Slart> ubuntu_: space after fdisk... "fdisk -l"
[23:51] <ubuntu_> Yes, I did that, sorry
[23:51] <n2diy> Slart, now a days it is, thanks to the spammers, but when you can't get to your ISP, as is my case, it would be handy.
[23:51] <Zirg> bazhang, You've been answering a lot of questions....  :-)   Oki C3400??? All I want is to be able to print and foo2zjs doesn't seem to have the ppd I need. Do YOU know which package it DOES reside in?
[23:51] <Slart> Vretilli: I don't really know.. I used 1xRAM on my machine..
[23:52] <ubuntu_> When I type in fdisk -l, it doesn't list anything. While I was booting up, it was giving me some error messages about /dev/sda1
[23:52] <Lanlost> ouch, I just tried to load "notepad" from the terminal, d'oh.
[23:52] <Lt88> Lanlost: i'm not sure that card is supported, but drm and radeon are modules mine uses. the driver in xorg is 'ati'
[23:52] <Zirg> ubuntu_, then try   fdisk -l /dev/sda  <ENTER>
[23:52] <eleventy-six> ubuntu_: It means you haven't specified a valid drive. fdisk -l /dev/whatever
[23:52] <Lanlost> Lt88, this card is supported.
[23:53] <ubuntu_> Zirg: It just says "Cannot open /dev/sda"
[23:53] <Lanlost> It's not a question of it being supported. Its a question of what I am using now, so I can switch back if the 'ati' driver isn't doesn't work as good.
[23:53] <sharperguy> is it possible to to a delay hibernate (suspend to disk) using a command?
[23:53] <bazhang> Zirg, that is the printer name? hang on a sec
[23:53] <Vretilli> someone knows how large i must do the swap partition with 2GB RAM? (eleventy, i want to be sure :) )
[23:53] <Slart> n2diy: indeed.. I use the smtp-server of my webspace provider.. they use port 26 or something to get around the anti-spam blocking
[23:54] <sgtoompa> hello
[23:54] <Lanlost> Lt88, if radeon and drm are modules, and not the driver .. and ATI is the driver, where do I find 'ati' listed as being in use? It's not in lsmod or lspci.
[23:54] <Stroganoff> Vretilli 512MB should suffice
[23:54] <Slart> !seap
[23:54] <Slart> !swap
[23:54] <Lanlost> I mean, I could be using 'vesa' right now as far as I know. I don't think I would have compiz working, I'm just saying.
[23:54] <Lanlost> I am definatly not using the offical ati drivers... as in the ones listed in restricted driver manager.
[23:54] <Arrick> hey, is there anything similiar to webmin that is available and updated for the ubuntu 8.04 server installs?
[23:54] <bazhang> Zirg, this is 32 or 64bit
[23:54] <brocebeats> is there a way to make a command run when you ssh into your computer
[23:54] <Slart> !ebox | Arrick
[23:55] <sgtoompa> I just installed ubuntu 8.04 (hardy hareon) on an old laptop but its running SO SLOWLY, and crashes. I was wondering if someone could help me with this issue? I forgot what the specs on this machine are, how do I go about finding that out through ubuntu?
[23:55] <Arrick> thanks
[23:55] <Slart> brocebeats: there's something that prints out the motd.. probably some kind of init file somewhere
[23:56] <Zirg> bazhang, Apologies. I had to step away. Both 32 bit machines. One a PPC the other a standard...7.10 (iirc).
[23:56] <Lanlost> If I use the official ati drivers, then compiz slows to terrible frame rate.. and opengl works great. If I use whatever I am using right now, complex opengl programs run slow, but compiz work's great. That is why I want to know this.
[23:56] <Lanlost> whoa..
[23:56] <Vretilli> Straganoff, in the guide i've found "If you have n Mb of ram, you need between n and 2*n Mb of swap."  .... ?!?!?!
[23:56] <Lanlost> glxgears is running again.
[23:56] <sgtoompa> ok nvm I know my specs
[23:56] <Lanlost> I ran the command it didn't run.. and I hit up and ran it again.. now it's running with no error.
[23:56] <KrimZon> sgtoompa: booting from a livecd, System->Administration->System Monitor, System Tab
[23:56] <Lanlost> but.. no window border
[23:57] <bazhang> the package you referred to seems to be the only one I can find zirg; what is the problem system? the intel or the ppc one
[23:57] <Vretilli> what i must do to have a swap partition?? :°°°°°(
[23:57] <sharperguy> is it possible to get the system to hibernate (suspend to disk) after a certain number of minutes like with the shutdown command?
[23:57] <Terabyte> Hey, i've just installed ubuntu 8.04, I can't connect to the internet, anybody know why?
[23:57] <Zirg> bazhang, (sigh) Both. Identical situation. NEITHER report that the ppd exists, which includes after running an  updatedb && locate c3400  <ENTER>
[23:57] <sgtoompa> I installed 8.04 (hardy haron) on a Pentium M 1.8 GHZ Processor with 1011MB ram. This should be plenty of power to run ubuntu with good speeds, but my machine constantly lags and crashes.
[23:58] <Slart> Terabyte: you'll have to give us some more info.. is the network cable plugged in? in both ends? have you paid your internet bills?
[23:58] <bazhang> http://levien.zonnetjes.net/?q=rv350-3d Lanlost
[23:58] <Vretilli> ok nevermind...i try to search other answer
[23:58] <Zirg> sgtoompa, memtest86  to begin with.
[23:58] <akk> Vretilli: You can use gparted to make partitions or resize old ones (back up anything you care about first), then I think mkswap and swapon are what you use to add swap
[23:58] <Vretilli> :( 'night
[23:58] <xxx_> xcv
[23:58] <KrimZon> sgtoompa: what graphics card?
[23:58] <Slart> Terabyte: do the little lights near the ethernet connector light up when you plug the cable in?
[23:58] <Terabyte> Slart, I have vista installed, and it works perfectly, so it is safe to assume I have paid my bills, the network cable is plugged in, at both ends, there are no mice chewing on the cable etc
[23:58] <tolecnal> Terabyte: there can be quite a few reasons.. is your network card up? does it have a link (if it's a cabled network)? if it's a wireless card, are the right drivers loaded? are you using the right credentials to the access point? etc etc
[23:58] <Vretilli> akk I want to know how large i must do it
[23:59] <sgtoompa> ati
[23:59] <Terabyte> It is a wired network card
[23:59] <bosanac> Hello i need some program for Linux Ubuntu 7.10 ( program Like Virtual DJ for windows ) but i need it for linux ubuntu 7.10 please i need it can somebody help me ?
[23:59] <DIL> ubuntu_: if all else fails "dd if=/dev/hd? conv=sysnc,noerror bs=64k of=/dev/sd?/disk.img
[23:59] <Vretilli> not how to create :)
[23:59] <sgtoompa> KrimZon: ATI card, not sure which
[23:59] <Slart> Terabyte: what does "ifconfig" output if you run it in a terminal?
[23:59] <akk> Vretilli: Oh, nobody knows the answer to that question. If you google you'll find wildly different answers and most people saying "there's really no rule now"
[23:59] <Lt88> Lanlost: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Hardy#C._ATi_Open_Source_radeon_driver_.28ATi_only.29
[23:59] <tolecnal> Terabyte: does the switch show that there is a link? does ifconfig show that you got an IP?
[23:59] <Joelito> Hi all, what's the name of the package of gnome to change the clock and timezone from the menu panel?
[23:59] <DIL> ubuntu_: if all else fails "dd if=/dev/hd? conv=sync,noerror bs=64k of=/dev/sd?/disk.img
[23:59] <sgtoompa> Zirg: memtest86? sorry I'm quite a noob at using linux :-P
[23:59] <bosanac> Hello i need some program for Linux Ubuntu 7.10 ( program Like Virtual DJ for windows ) but i need it for linux ubuntu 7.10 please i need it can somebody help me ?
[23:59] <s3a> how can i make epiphany-browser my default web browser?
[23:59] <bazhang> Vretilli, rule of thumb used to be double the ram; how ram do you have
[23:59] <akk> Vretilli: about the size of your RAM or maybe double it, something like that, is probably sensible, but you probably won't use anywhere near that much anyway
[23:59]  * KrimZon suspects compiz - you could do system->preferences->appearance->visual effects and have a look which one is selected
[23:59] <Vretilli> 2 GB
[23:59] <bosanac> Hello i need some program for Linux Ubuntu 7.10 ( program Like Virtual DJ for windows ) but i need it for linux ubuntu 7.10 please i need it can somebody help me ?


[00:12] <daftykins> Azelphur: oh my tux, glue failed on V-Day 2014!?
[00:12] <Azelphur> hehe yup
[00:14] <daftykins> that's a heartbreaker :)
[00:15] <Azelphur> this valentines day it's getting some freshening up though, I ordered a replacement internal battery, new cable for the one that failed on the 9th, and a second external battery so I can hot swap them
[00:17] <daftykins> :D
[00:17] <daftykins> sounds like geek bliss
[00:17] <daftykins> surgery *and* upgrading things
[00:18] <Azelphur> hehe
[00:32] <zmoylan-pi> geek bliss would be ordering 10 dead headphones off ebay and creating 1 functional frankenstein pair shouting 'they're alive, they're alive' :-D
[00:42] <daftykins> XD
[00:43] <daftykins> and this is why we can't meet you, zmoylan-pi ;)
[00:43] <zmoylan-pi> a lightening rod powering the device is optional but not mandatory...
[00:49] <Azelphur> daftykins: I still think my friend holds the torch with the G930s, he bought one and did my battery hack to it
[00:50] <Azelphur> and then he decided that his external battery didn't have enough power to last him, so he external battery modded his external battery
[00:50] <Azelphur> (obligatory yo dawg)
[00:51] <zmoylan-pi> the first was too small, the second was too small, the third was jussssssst right...
[00:57] <daftykins> Azelphur: :D
[00:57] <daftykins> that reminds me actually, maybe i'll send off my Shure IEMs for repair for my birthday
[08:06] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:19] <mapp> hi nall
[09:04] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:07] <davmor2> MooDoo: wait till I tell you too that you can juju setup a local instance on Laptop/PC and then just deploy it anywhere too, so cloud, servers, more pc's, bare metal...../me dashes off to facebook to see if his head is still exploding
[09:16] <MooDoo> davmor2: was watching alot on you tube last night, setting up mass, then juju and deplying wordpress etc....looks facinating,
[09:18] <mapp> hi MooDoo
[09:23] <davmor2> MooDoo: it is pretty awesome right :)
[09:29] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah, not sure how I would make use of it yet, but certainly fab
[09:29] <MooDoo> howdy mapp
[09:51] <awilkins> So does juju work on Snappy?
[09:51]  * awilkins wonders if you need to use the Force
[09:52] <awilkins> Was thinking about mucking about with Snappy and you can now get it on Pi2
[10:23] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:23] <bashrc> morning
[10:23] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Get Out Your Guitar Day! :-D
[10:24] <brobostigon> morning bashrc and JamesTait
[10:32] <diplo> bigcalm, if you haven't seen.. more phones at 14:00 utc :)
[10:36] <JamesTait> \o/
[10:38] <davmor2> JamesTait: www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tqxzWdKKu8
[10:39] <diddledan> my brian feels like it's too big for my skull
[10:39] <diddledan> ello btw :-)
[10:42] <JamesTait> davmor2++
[10:42] <diddledan> so, davmor3?
[11:21] <davmor2> diddledan: davmor3?
[11:22] <diddledan> davmor2, that'll be davmor2++
[11:22] <davmor2> diddledan: so diddledan
[11:24] <davmor2> diddledan: was there something you wanted to say about something or were you just randomly highlighting a non-existant nick for the hell of it ;)
[11:25] <diddledan> davmor2, it's a response to JamesTait
[11:26] <JamesTait> It's all right, diddledan, davmor2 hasn't had his coffee yet. ;)
[11:26] <diddledan> :-)
[11:26] <Seeker`> ali1234: whatcha using teletext for?
[11:28] <diddledan> Seeker`, I recall he broke some TVs with it
[11:29] <MooDoo> teletext?  is that still around?
[11:29] <Seeker`> yeah, the readme says that apparently the demo mode no longer crashes TVs :P
[11:29] <diddledan> \o/
[11:30] <diddledan> MooDoo, not transmitted, no
[11:31] <diddledan> unless some backwater still uses analogue tv?
[11:32] <diddledan> in britain however, all analogue-tv+teletext is dead
[11:32] <diddledan> instead we have the MHEG thing that bundles interactive into the digital transmission
[11:33] <MooDoo> I heard you speak, but all I head was gobbledegook ;) lol
[11:34] <diddledan> it is similar in operation I think, but includes things likethe ability to change channels and rudimentary programmatic capability (probably java-embedded?) and embedded video streams that aren't the main video stream
[11:35] <diddledan> here ya go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MHEG-5
[11:37] <MooDoo> diddledan: no thanks, davmor2 is killing my brain cells with maas and juju
[11:37] <MooDoo> :D
[11:37] <davmor2> MooDoo: not to mention landscape thrown into the mix to manage it all right ;)
[11:45] <MooDoo> davmor2: git
[11:48] <davmor2> MooDoo: yeap you can pull in from git and launchpad too yes
[11:49] <MooDoo> davmor2: slap!
[11:50] <MooDoo> just sussed gluusterfs, let me get that out my head first lol
[11:51] <davmor2> MooDoo: http://blog.gluster.org/category/ubuntu/
[11:52] <davmor2> MooDoo: was it not as simply as juju deploy glusterfs for you?  /me jumps in the bunker to dodge the missiles :D
[11:53] <davmor2> http://manage.jujucharms.com/~negronjl/oneiric/glusterfs-server
[11:53] <MooDoo> davmor2: see that's the find of thing i'm struggling to get my head around, how do you then set it up to sync data between servers, or do you even have to?
[11:54] <MooDoo> i'll play and figure it ou
[11:54] <MooDoo> out
[11:54] <davmor2> MooDoo: Magic you assign links between them and the charm sets up the rest
[11:54] <diddledan> live-patching the kernel? yes please. https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/2/9/534
[11:54] <MooDoo> davmor2: that sounds like haven
[11:55] <popey> diddledan: yeah, be nice not to rely on oracle and ksplice
[11:55] <davmor2> MooDoo: it is that simple literally there is a demo server too so you can play with the gui :)
[11:55] <davmor2> MooDoo: https://demo.jujucharms.com/
[11:55] <diddledan> popey, it would be a killer addition to snappy-core and the ubuntu-touch update mechanisms
[11:56] <popey> yeah
[11:56] <diddledan> uptime-junkies rejoice
[11:57] <diddledan> it'ld be interesting to see it extended to userland processes too - e.g. updating glibc and live-patching all running tasks to point to the new one
[14:07] <diddledan> out of stock already?!
[14:07] <zmoylan-pi> chicken stock?
[14:08] <diddledan> ubuntu phone
[14:33] <awilkins> After 3 minutes?!
[14:35] <zmoylan-pi> blink and you'll miss it.  i'm sure a few will be on ebay for silly money later
[15:15] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[15:16] <MooDoo> morning
[15:29] <intrbiz> bigcalm: morning
[15:31] <bigcalm> Hi intrbiz
[15:43] <Azelphur> Anyone happen to know things about home automation type curtains/blinds?
[16:27] <sebsebseb> hmm
[16:29] <sebsebseb> I guess buying an Ubuntu Phone today, wasn't meant to be
[16:30] <daftykins> oh?
[16:30] <bashrc> why so?
[16:30] <sebsebseb> daftykins: yes out of stock it says now
[16:30] <sebsebseb> or maybe can buy anyway? hmm
[16:30] <daftykins> where is this? :)
[16:32] <awilkins> They sold out in about 3 minutes
[16:32] <bigcalm> Both times
[16:33] <zmoylan-pi> i thought you weren't going to be at keyboard tapping f5? :-)
[16:33] <sebsebseb> awilkins: what it sold out in about 3 minutes really?
[16:33] <sebsebseb> ?
[16:33] <awilkins> Well, I inferred this from there being a tranche put up at 1430 (apparently)
[16:33] <awilkins> And there being none at 1433
[16:34] <diddledan> awilkins, the second batch was 14:00 and sold out by 14:06
[16:34] <popey> sebsebseb: worked for me :)
[16:34] <diddledan> popey, gimme :-p
[16:34] <sebsebseb> popey: you had one already dind't you??
[16:34] <popey> yes and no
[16:34] <popey> I have an android bq phone which is flashed with ubuntu
[16:34] <popey> these ones ship with ubuntu
[16:35] <popey> and dont have the capacitive android buttons
[16:35] <diddledan> \o/
[16:35] <sebsebseb> popey: I wanted to check my money situtaion before buying it, wel if it han't been sold out
[16:35] <bigcalm> popey: are the android buttons used by ubuntu if they are there?
[16:35] <sebsebseb> popey: I am  down on money after Brussels, and also buying well  two other expensive tech devices in the last, ok make that three actsaully,  in the last  three months or so
[16:36] <popey> bigcalm: no
[16:36] <bigcalm> Fair enough
[16:36] <bigcalm> !rat
[16:37] <bigcalm> Remind me how I go about changing that?
[16:37] <sebsebseb> popey: no good being over drawn  when getting charged for it
[16:37] <sebsebseb> pft  £15  for borrowing 7p really? uh
[16:37] <popey> bigcalm: is a date set?
[16:38] <sebsebseb> to many Ubuntu fan boys wanting the Ubuntu Phone today I guess :D
[16:38] <diddledan> bq aparently just stated they recived over 12,000 orders per min
[16:39] <diddledan> yey twitter
[16:39] <sebsebseb> diddledan: oh wel that sounds about right, eseically  going by my comment just now heh
[16:39] <zmoylan-pi> bodes well
[16:39] <popey> we'll see
[16:40] <daftykins> bigcalm: the factoid? isn't it !rat is <reply>blah blah
[16:40] <popey> Looking forward to getting one.
[16:40] <Azelphur> I've had a pretty interesting idea for off-site backups, seems like the majority of people go to buyvm for like $30/TB
[16:40] <sebsebseb> so BQ doing another batch in the next few weeks?
[16:40] <sebsebseb> or is it abobut waiting for the other maker now hmm
[16:40] <popey> next week apparently
[16:41] <Azelphur> and I've noticed the Hetzner bargain bin have some servers with ridicuolus amount of HDD space, they have a 7 x 1.5TB server up right now for €43.70, which comes out at like $6/TB...don't think it gets any cheaper than that xD
[16:41] <popey> they (bq) mentioned that on G+ i think
[16:41] <sebsebseb> popey: oh, but  don't get that case on the next lot?
[16:41] <Azelphur> been trying to arrange a group buy with my friends, and we'll just RAID5 it, and use KVM to split it up
[16:42] <bigcalm> daftykins: can't it appears to be protected
[16:42] <daftykins> ah
[16:42] <bigcalm> popey: thought I'd wait a week before closing the poll
[16:43] <sebsebseb> ah lst my curousrr...
[16:43] <sebsebseb> had  that bbefore
[16:43] <sebsebseb> no I don't want to be completly stuck in IRC :d
[16:43] <sebsebseb> in this channel to, if I can't change otherwise
[16:43] <sebsebseb> ok back in a bit
[16:44] <bigcalm> AlanBell: are you joining us on the RAT this year? http://doodle.com/4sdaaswwngu4n2bm
[16:44] <bigcalm> AlanBell: Hayley wants to wear your hat
[16:45] <Azelphur> god damnit, there's a clear hole in my plan
[16:46] <Azelphur> 1 of my friend works at a data centre and gets colocation for free, another works at M$ and gets a free VPS with boatloads of storage...
[16:46] <Azelphur> :<
[16:46] <daftykins> Azelphur: :(
[16:46] <daftykins> Azelphur: so where's *your* free setup!? :D
[16:46] <Azelphur> haha
[16:46] <Azelphur> my company does not own data centers :<
[16:48] <sebsebseb> ok back
[16:48] <daftykins> every time i see a $ used to name microsoft, i remember directhex pasting a link to a comic about doing so :(
[16:48] <sebsebseb> popey: well hopefully can order one next week then
[16:49] <sebsebseb> ,but yeah I guess means get it a bit later then, the ones who got today the real fan boys etc
[16:49] <directhex> http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2002/07/22/m
[16:49] <Laney> son¥
[16:50] <daftykins> directhex: :D
[16:52] <sebsebseb> popey: yeah bq would be silly really not to come out with another batch
[16:52] <sebsebseb> since the amount of profit they can make
[16:52] <sebsebseb> even if it's a half  proit share with Canonical or something like that,  any idea how much Canonical actsaully get from this?
[16:53] <popey> no idea
[16:54] <popey> that kind of information is above my paygrade
[16:56] <diddledan> I had to look-up palladium
[16:56] <diddledan> what happened to that?
[16:56] <davmor2> popey: no it isn't....it's way above your pay grade ;)
[16:57] <sebsebseb> popey: yeah they just use you to work on the OS for Ubuntu Phone and such,  and keep all the secrets, sectret from you heh heh :d
[16:57] <sebsebseb> anyway yeah  there will be another flash sale next week according to  the tweets on the bq site
[16:57] <sebsebseb> ,but when is the thing hmm
[16:59] <sebsebseb> not so sure I like the flash sale idea for these phones really,  on the other hand if it was a general sale I guess they could all be sold out just like that and yeah
[16:59] <sebsebseb> I guess flash sale ideas' help build up the hype in them to,  which Canonical will want of course really
[17:00] <zmoylan-pi> a lot less logistics with just doing a web sale of batches instead of trying to find a few 1000 shops to stock them
[17:02] <sebsebseb> zmoylan-pi: yeah noting shitps untill March it seems to
[17:02] <sebsebseb> so a lot of these phones haven't actsually been made yet possibly I guess
[17:02] <sebsebseb> the psyical object
[17:03] <sebsebseb> or they got loads of old ones that used to be Android waiting to go? :d
[17:13] <Azelphur> daftykins: https://owncloud.azelphur.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=11147b0824a0f337272d7eb12f2cb621 lol
[17:14] <daftykins> aww come on the xbox one is alright ;)
[17:14] <daftykins> Seattle i hear is rainy :D
[17:14] <daftykins> so it's basically like the Pacific's England? ;)
[17:14] <Azelphur> haha
[17:15] <zmoylan-pi> rainy.... pft... this is IRELAND :-)
[17:17] <daftykins> Azelphur: how come that screenie is so high-DPI 0o
[17:17] <daftykins> seems like what i'd see from a mates retina macbook or some such
[17:18] <Azelphur> daftykins: I'm on 2k
[17:18] <Azelphur> it's even more fun, my laptop is 3k
[17:18] <popey> http://www.pcgamesn.com/train-simulator-2015/prime-minister-david-cameron-spent-the-day-playing-train-simulator
[17:18] <diddledan> Azelphur, 2k? you mean 1920x1080?
[17:19] <Azelphur> diddledan: no, 2560x1440
[17:19] <sebsebseb> popey: so what did you do at FOSDEM/Brussels anway?
[17:19] <daftykins> 2.5k :D
[17:19] <diddledan> indeed, that's 2.5
[17:21] <diddledan> 4k is 3840x2160 I think
[17:21] <diddledan> i.e. 2*1920x1080
[17:21] <diddledan> as it's twice in both directions it makes a total of 4times the number of pixies
[17:22] <daftykins> i thought it was more that it's almost 4 thousand wide
[17:23] <diddledan> daftykins, the term "4k" refers to that, yes
[17:23] <diddledan> k being shorthand for "thousand"
[17:24] <diddledan> I saw someone a while ago thinking 4k meant 4million pixies
[17:25] <daftykins> XD
[17:26] <daftykins> a time when i've been extremely confused about units, was popping into Boots whilst after some Vitamin B12 to speed up recovery from shingles - and seeing packets say they had 10 ug in them (micrograms)
[17:29] <zmoylan-pi> give me 1kg of vitamin c so they pelted you with oranges... :-P
[17:29] <diddledan> yeah the u is supposed to be the greek letter "mu"
[17:30] <diddledan> u is often used because marketing types can't work out how to use the character palette
[17:31] <daftykins> oh i definitely knew it was mu, i was just looking to get closer to 500mg so i was like - milli? micro? wat?
[17:32] <diddledan> aah
[17:32] <diddledan> milli is smaller than micro
[17:32] <Seeker`> diddledan: wut?
[17:33] <Seeker`> you might want to rethink that statement
[17:33] <diddledan> ?
[17:33] <Seeker`> "milli is smaller than micro"
[17:33] <Seeker`> where exactly between meters and millimeters does micrometers fit? :P
[17:34] <diddledan> okok
[17:34]  * diddledan goes and sits with daftykins
[17:34] <diddledan> we be confoosed together
[17:34] <shauno> milli is bigger than micro :|
[17:34] <daftykins> 8D
[17:35] <daftykins> diddledan: join me at Boots on the Guernsey high-street, down staring at the vitamin section
[17:36] <Seeker`> apparently the most you can absorb in a single dose is 1.5 micrograms
[17:36] <diddledan> I don't work in such small numbers - I use integer multpiles of thousand
[17:36] <Seeker`> and your body stores a total of about 2-5mg
[17:36] <Seeker`> that's a long time to stock up again if you're deficient!
[17:37] <shauno> meh, it's exactly the same, except they're signed ints.  10^-3, 10^-6, etc
[17:38] <daftykins> well, thankfully i'm finally past the pain stage and have very faint spots left now :D
[17:38] <daftykins> so it won't be long before i'm totally free of it
[17:44] <daftykins> got this user over in #ubuntu who is booted into a precise live session, they want to make up a second flash drive as one too
[17:44] <daftykins> i figure there won't be enough space for an ISO download, but what about dd'ing the already booted drive to another? :D
[17:45] <shauno> hm.  I can't see any reason it shouldn't work, but I'd still file it under "have fun with that"
[17:45] <daftykins> totally :D
[17:46] <zmoylan-pi> fire up dosbox and do it from there :-P
[17:48] <shauno> lady at the book shop asked me I have a student card.  bless her.  maybe 15 years ago :/
[17:49] <daftykins> XD
[17:49] <zmoylan-pi> i have been asked that in last year as well.  i'm 45 this year, i blame my tux baseball cap :-)
[18:03] <Azelphur> Don't suppose anyone here is interested in clubbing in for some cheap offsite backup space?
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: that teletext stuff looks awesome :)
[18:20] <daftykins> lovely teardown of that latest Dell XPS 13 - https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Dell+XPS+13+Teardown/36157
[18:28] <popey> phwoar!
[18:32] <daftykins> soldered RAM :(
[18:42] <daftykins> Azelphur: bit weird to be offered bitcoins for helping out in #ubuntu - heh
[18:43] <Azelphur> daftykins: take em, moneys money :)
[18:43] <daftykins> well, i tried to point to donating to Kodi instead since it's all about the free help. i don't know the first thing about coin storage or what not
[18:47] <Azelphur> Step 1) Get Electrum, Step 2) You can now accept coins
[18:47] <daftykins> o rly
[18:47] <sebsebseb> Azelphur: Elecrum is that the Bitcoin wallet  you recommend?
[18:48] <sebsebseb> link?
[18:48] <daftykins> .org i see
[18:48] <Azelphur> https://electrum.org/
[18:48] <sebsebseb> yeah not sure which one to go fo really
[18:48] <sebsebseb> did use a site the other day that pays a little bitcoin for chatting
[18:48] <daftykins> pay for chat 0o
[18:49] <sebsebseb> got to be on it a lot to get a proper bitcoin though
[18:49] <sebsebseb> daftykins: yeah, but not much
[18:49] <sebsebseb> more about being a chat community than actsaully paying people bitcoins
[18:49] <sebsebseb> daftykins: bitcoin be split up into lots of milli bitcoins before even having one
[18:49] <sebsebseb> minilli mini whaterver it's called
[18:50] <sebsebseb> milli mini whatever it's called
[18:50]  * sebsebseb with enough bitcoin could buy the Humble Bundle at least, which would be nicer probably really than paying real cash for that
[18:51] <sebsebseb> kind of used /me wrongly there, but oh well
[18:51] <daftykins> ;D
[18:51] <sebsebseb> seems the best way to earn bitcoins is from bitcoin gambling  sites though,  or well that's my understanding anyway, so hmm at that
[18:53] <daftykins> i was just watching some Sopranos episodes last night where some people make some big gambling losses, such mugs!
[18:53] <daftykins> i just cringe at that
[18:53] <sebsebseb> oh
[18:53] <sebsebseb> daftykins: heh you reminded me I got a mug on the floor at the moment,  that  should go back in the bag or something for the time being, untill it's actsauly going to get used, a postressql mug in fact
[18:54] <daftykins> :D
[18:54] <sebsebseb> heh was meant to buy two last year, but got them this year instead
[18:54] <sebsebseb> and  the last two as well  at FOSDEM :d
[18:55] <sebsebseb> daftykins: walking on a mug proabbly woudn't be so nice :d ,but I know it's there
[18:55] <daftykins> beats a UK mains plug :)
[18:55] <sebsebseb> a UK mains mug oh?
[18:55] <daftykins> nah plug, for the standing on
[18:55] <sebsebseb> oh?
[18:56] <daftykins> yeah, wouldn't recommend it :) that's one of those childhood lessons you learn once
[18:56] <sebsebseb> what to not walk on a mug?
[18:57] <daftykins> on a mains plug! :)
[18:57] <sebsebseb> ah right
[18:57] <sebsebseb> well  when it's connected sure
[18:57] <sebsebseb> not the best idea
[18:57] <sebsebseb> or depending on...
[18:58] <sebsebseb> who bought an Ubuntu Phone from here today anyway?  other than popey
[18:58] <daftykins> nor when they're on the floor upturned
[18:59] <sebsebseb> daftykins: yeah I guess
[19:00] <sebsebseb> daftykins: how many years have you done #ubuntu support for now by the way 10?
[19:00] <sebsebseb> 8?
[19:00] <sebsebseb> 6?
[19:01] <daftykins> i guess i've been lurking on freenode off and on for at least 8-9 years yeah
[19:01] <sebsebseb> yes  pretty sure your name was there, when I used to help out often in there (or try to)
[19:02] <daftykins> ^_^
[19:03] <daftykins> helping or hindering as i like to say
[19:03] <sebsebseb> hindering how so?
[19:04] <daftykins> just in jest
[19:04] <sebsebseb> oh ok I guess
[19:05] <daftykins> obviously i don't mislead people
[19:06] <sebsebseb> daftykins: yeah you do to pay you thousands worth of btcoins :d  that's why that person earlier was like, I'll pay you bitcon :D
[19:06] <sebsebseb> daftykins: nah I am joking :d
[19:06] <daftykins> XD
[19:06] <daftykins> yep it's all a secret funding venture
[19:07] <sebsebseb> yeah you bad boy daftykins  and you said it was all volunteer and your profiting big time off it in  bitcoins :d heh heh
[19:07] <daftykins> ;_;
[19:38] <davmor2> daftykins: not often you don't ;)
[19:38] <daftykins> lol
[19:40] <Azelphur> daftykins: plan is succeeding, 6 out of 8TB is gone now :P
[19:40] <daftykins> \o/
[19:54] <Azelphur> daftykins: and now only 1TB remains >:)
[20:59] <Azelphur> daftykins: aww yis, order placed, 7 x 1.5TB drives, muhahaha.
[21:01] <daftykins> a friends 8 x 2TB RAID6 is a bit old now, need to consider 8 new disks to build a newer one to have some in-warranty disks
[21:03] <Azelphur> lol
[21:03] <Azelphur> if he's selling 2TB drives cheap...
[21:03] <Azelphur> :)
[21:04] <daftykins> buying disks that've been spinning solidly for many years *might* not be too wise :)
[21:04]  * Azelphur shrugs
[21:04] <daftykins> and nah, ideally i want to throw them into another setup as backup
[21:04] <daftykins> but even an 8-bay unpopulated NAS is £££
[21:04] <daftykins> it is on a 16-port controller as-is but it'd be nice to put it at the end of his garden as 'off-site'
[21:05] <Azelphur> daftykins: I dislike NAS devices
[21:05] <Azelphur> I bought a HP Microserver, it's about the same price, and it's a full PC that can do so much more.
[21:05] <Azelphur> takes 4 drives as standard, 6 and an SSD with a small hack.
[21:05] <daftykins> yeah, but the server as-is is already a full PC
[21:05] <daftykins> so don't need another one
[21:05]  * Azelphur shrugs
[21:06] <Azelphur> so far I only have a 2 and a 5 in it, which is working fine for me, plenty of room for expansion
[21:06] <daftykins> already got 2 consumery two bay NASs up in the off-site building
[21:06] <daftykins> ah, this is the one where we paid a kid to rip all his DVDs and have 4 x XBMC HTPCs around the house to play them
[21:06] <daftykins> so the 12TB is near full
[21:07] <Azelphur> damn
[21:07] <Azelphur> if I was given that job, I'd buy a lego mindstorms kit and automate it.
[21:07] <daftykins> i've never come up with a happy way to rip his blurays though, just not easy enough to make it a task his secretary can do - which is what he wants
[21:07] <daftykins> lol
[21:07] <daftykins> we had the little nettop HTPCs already so i did one basic XP install, years ago, then cloned it to the other 3 - with RDP enabled
[21:07] <daftykins> all 4 stacked together with a switch 8D
[21:08] <Azelphur> hehe
[21:09] <daftykins> but yeah, even makemkv isn't really ideal to get his secretary ripping his BDs
[21:09] <daftykins> so the collection isn't really growing atm
[21:10] <Azelphur> :p
[22:54] <shauno> oooh, t-10mins, and they don't have any excuses so far
[22:56] <daftykins> what's this you're watching? :)
[22:56] <shauno> the spacex falcon9 launch
[22:56] <shauno> I think/hope this is the one where they try to land the launch-stage
[22:56] <shauno> if it's not, I'm going to feel kinda pooped that I've watched them cancel it so many times :|
[23:00] <daftykins> shauno: when i googled spacex i got "SpaceX is still tracking towards a 6:03pm ET liftoff of DSCOVR, but unfortunately we will not be able to attempt to recover the first stage of the..."
[23:00] <shauno> well pants
[23:00] <daftykins> http://www.spacex.com/press/2015/02/11/dscovr-launch-update
[23:00] <shauno> I did watch the ESA one this afternon though.  that was kinda fun
[23:00] <daftykins> sorry to be the bearer of bad news :(
[23:00] <shauno> except they were all talking in french
[23:00] <daftykins> sacre bleu
[23:01] <shauno> oh well.  they can try to do it in the water then.  as long as there's explosions I'm a happy kerbal :)
[23:02] <daftykins> :D
[23:02] <daftykins> i shall watch along too since it's so close
[23:02] <daftykins> go go gadget fullscreen
[23:02] <shauno> rockets just never get boring
[23:03] <shauno> (and it's secretly fun when they get exciting  heh)
[23:05] <daftykins> :)
[23:05] <daftykins> 599m/sec, aww yis
[23:06] <daftykins> 1468m/sec :O
[23:06] <daftykins> 2350 \o/
[23:11] <daftykins> pretty neat mission, just read
[23:12] <daftykins> someone seemed to have just put a stargate up on the screen for a second then
[23:13] <shauno> heh
[23:13] <shauno> the esa one this afternoon was pretty neat too
[23:13] <shauno> testing a re-entry vehicle.  so they launched a shuttle the size of a large car, from one side of south america to the other.  the long way 'round
[23:14] <shauno> kinda sent it up to about the same altitude as the ISS, then fired it back to the floor at 20x speed of sound
[23:14] <daftykins> :D
[23:15] <shauno> but it was purdy.  very fast ascent.  and the mini-shuttle looks like .. well, audi designed a shuttle  lol
[23:17] <daftykins> heh, go back to my TV ep and there was 5 seconds left
[23:17] <shauno> aww
[23:23] <daftykins> it's really odd how some series don't have any editions better than DVD
[23:23] <daftykins> case in point, "24"
[23:24] <daftykins> first 6 seasons can't be had in better than SD
[23:59] <shauno> > Rocket soft landed in the ocean within 10m of target & nicely vertical! High probability of good droneship landing in non-stormy weather.


[04:42] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[10:40] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[16:04] <immu> BluesKaj, ducasse EriC^^ lordievader oerheks hi all
[19:27] <Bashing-om> Sunday support . see what is and what may be :) fun ?
[20:30] <oerheks> yeah, i got the 1st sunday-troll Bashing-om
[20:31] <daftykins> ooh an honour!
[20:32] <oerheks> yay, my karma is still 0 ~ https://launchpad.net/~oerheks
[20:32] <Bashing-om> Well, bad as it is .. even trolls give something to attend attention to :(
[20:33] <oerheks> sudo apt install soul
[20:35] <Bashing-om> oerheks: my karma is rapidly on the decline : https://launchpad.net/~bashing-om . If ya do not use it ya loose it !
[20:37] <daftykins> aww i tried putting my nick in to see what i have
[20:38] <daftykins> didn't load, must not have the username as a page or something
[20:38] <oerheks> your launchpad account..
[20:38] <daftykins> yeah i was sure it was this nick
[20:39] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/~dbonham-gmail
[20:39] <daftykins> ah yeah i thought it had my email in :>
[20:39] <oerheks><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:39] <oerheks> :-D
[20:40] <daftykins> i was a bit annoyed, not sure if i can mask that
[20:45] <oerheks> Do you get unusual spam?
[20:45] <daftykins> mmm nope nothing out of the ordinary, apart from all those americans that have the same surname but different first name (that still begins with 'd')
[20:45] <daftykins> ...and sign me up to all kinds of weird things
[20:47] <oerheks> oh oke, the things i sended you, you like?
[20:48] <daftykins> XD
[20:49] <oerheks> maybe that ron-dude has some experience ( i have seen him before) but disabling security & recommended updates is a silly move, that can lead to misformed package dependencies.
[20:49] <oerheks> i say, he hit a bug in ubuntu
[20:50] <oerheks> *as you should have the option to disable them
[22:51] <daftykins> https://pastebin.com/FY4vw5mj - interesting that the good ol' wildcard failed to evaluate to all packages beginning "kodi"
[22:51] <daftykins> this is on a zesty machine
[22:51] <daftykins> (apparently)
[22:55] <daftykins> oh i had a prompt for reboots again
[22:58] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Looks as if "someone" manually deleted the kodi_crashlog files . Hummmm .
[22:58] <daftykins> well it's weird it was evaluating to files and not package names
[23:06] <Bashing-om> daftykins: All I can surmise at this point is that something in the post removal scripts are calling for the crash files . /var/lib/dpkg/info/<package_name>.postrm ??
[23:07] <daftykins> hrmm