[09:02] <guntbert> Dr_Willis: the critical point in your link was *no .com* at the edn:)
[09:02] <guntbert> *end
[09:03] <foormea> yay desktop effects are finally back on kernel 2.6.31-14 on my box with nvidia
[09:03] <Jordan_U_> xiambax: The bug about failing to boot when grubenv is unreadable was fixed recently, try chrooting in and upgrading or press 'e' at the grub menu and remove the save_env line then press ctrl+x to boot
[09:03] <foormea> wow ibus for chinese input seems weird
[09:04] <foormea> hopefully it won't give as much trouble as scim
[09:04] <foormea> uh is ibus a fork of scim??
[09:04] <xiambax> will give it a shot now. thanks for the help. i will keep you update
[09:04] <wgrant> It is an entirely new thing.
[09:04] <foormea> wgrant: ibus?
[09:05] <wgrant> foormea: Right.
[09:05] <foormea> ^e GRRRRRRRR
[09:05] <foormea> dead keys are still broken
[09:05] <foormea> gosh
[09:05] <wgrant> foormea: Have you turned them on?
[09:05] <xiambax> Jordan, So just remove the save_env_recordfail?
[09:05] <foormea> mh, how? :D
[09:05] <wgrant> foormea: Try System->Preferences->Keyboard
[09:05] <foormea> let me see
[09:06] <CountDeMonet> xiambax: remove the line save_env recordfail; Press TAB; Press Ctrl+X to boot
[09:06] <foormea> gosh if it works then 9.10 would be the FIRST fully functional ubuntu release for multi lingual users
[09:06] <xiambax> Yeah that totally did the trick
[09:07] <xiambax> well thats solved half my problem
[09:07] <xiambax> now i need help fixing my video issues
[09:07] <xiambax> lol
[09:08] <CountDeMonet> what video issues?
[09:08] <foormea> wgrant: with kde i have a few options in regional settings. i'll give it a try
[09:08] <foormea> wgrant: thanks for the tip
[09:08] <xiambax> i installed my ati r4250 msi video driver
[09:08] <xiambax> now x wont load
[09:08] <xiambax> and i cant get to terminal with command alt 1
[09:08] <wgrant> xiambax: How did you install it?
[09:09] <foormea> wgrant: you use some CJK + need dead keys as well?
[09:09] <lucent> xiambax: ctrl+alt+1 ?
[09:10] <lucent> xiambax: my keyboard is for bollocks...  ctrl+alt+f1?
[09:10] <xiambax> ill will see if that was my bad
[09:10] <xiambax> lol
[09:10] <xiambax> nope neither work
[09:11] <xiambax> just a black screen
[09:11] <Dr_Willis> hmmm.. wheres this record fail line at? I got one  box thats always saying grub  booting into rescue mode., Even tho it boots fine.
[09:11] <lucent> xiambax: I don't know, contact ATI
[09:11] <xiambax> is there anyway i can safe boot and remove the ati driver?
[09:12] <InitHello> ok, so I'm trying to debug an issue with karmic and a wireless card allegedly using the atheros Atheros AR2414 chipset. It'll associate with the AP, and ifconfig shows ... an ipv6 address, but no ipv4 address. Any thoughts on what I should look at?
[09:12] <lucent> InitHello: the router?
[09:13] <InitHello> lucent: well, wireless worked fine before the upgrade to karmic. It's a netgear wgr614v9, if that makes any difference
[09:13] <wgrant> foormea: I do not.
[09:13] <lucent> InitHello: which driver
[09:13] <wgrant> xiambax: How did you install it?
[09:13] <BlouBlou> it's ubuntu 9.10 RC avaiable in torrent?
[09:14] <xiambax> yeah i installed the driver
[09:14] <xiambax> and rebooted
[09:14] <xiambax> now this
[09:14] <wgrant> BlouBlou: Of course. http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.10/
[09:14] <wgrant> xiambax: *How* did you install it?
[09:14] <InitHello> lucent: looks like ath5k
[09:14] <BlouBlou> wgrant: hehe, thanks ;)
[09:14] <xiambax> i downloaded it from ati
[09:15] <xiambax> and ran the script
[09:15] <wgrant> xiambax: Ah... that's not the way to do it.
[09:15]  * lucent facepalms
[09:15] <xiambax> so how can i fix this :D
[09:15] <wgrant> xiambax: You should have used System->Administration->Hardware Drivers. I don't know how to undo what you just did.
[09:15] <Dr_Willis> thats proberly the worse way to do it. :)
[09:15] <Dr_Willis> !ati
[09:15] <Dr_Willis> that url MIGHT have some uninstall docs.
[09:15] <InitHello> lucent: I take it I've done something monumentally ... ill-advised?
[09:16] <mauri> my partition manager is not able to see correclty 1Tb usb hd
[09:16] <lucent> InitHello: I just read what xiambax said is all
[09:16] <Dr_Willis> Therea a reason the ubunutuy people made the hardware-driver tool :)
[09:16] <InitHello> lucent: ah. That prompted a headdesk from me. No offense towards xiambax is intended.
[09:16] <mauri> I need u gui utility to synch 2 folders
[09:16]  * lucent grins
[09:16] <lucent> InitHello: privmsg, let's battle
[09:16] <InitHello> lucent: hit me
[09:16] <wgrant> lucent: Headdesk battle?
[09:17] <CountDeMonet> xiambax: cd /usr/share/ati ; sudo ./fglrx-uninstall.sh
[09:17] <xiambax> is there a way i can safe boot this then
[09:17] <xiambax> or boot to install disk?
[09:18] <wgrant> xiambax: Hold down shift during the BIOS until the boot menu appears, and select recovery mode.
[09:19] <ltspadmin> what is iBus Preferences
[09:21] <lucent> ltspadmin: it's a transporter beam network (TBN) configurator
[09:21] <lucent> instant travel between Ubuntu cloud pods
[09:21] <lucent> pretty cutting edge feature
[09:21] <xiambax> because my grub is all messed up that shift thing wont work
[09:21] <wgrant> ltspadmin: iBus is replacing SCIM as the preferred input method (eg. for CJK)
[09:21] <wgrant> xiambax: Why not?
[09:21] <xiambax> and i cant fix grub if i cant boot in
[09:22] <xiambax> "<Jordan_U_> xiambax: The bug about failing to boot when grubenv is unreadable was fixed recently, try chrooting in and upgrading or press 'e' at the grub menu and remove the save_env line then press ctrl+x to boot"
[09:22] <CountDeMonet> xiambax: haven't you been using a live cd to edit the system?
[09:22] <xiambax> so hold down shift to boot the live disk?
[09:22] <ltspadmin> where can i use it..??
[09:23] <Alexia_Death> Im having problems witht he failsafe
[09:23] <Alexia_Death> X that is
[09:23] <xiambax> ok so now that we have that clearified
[09:23] <Alexia_Death> it starts without any good reason on most cold boots
[09:23] <Alexia_Death> is it a known issue?
[09:24] <wgrant> Alexia_Death: There is probably a good reason.
[09:24] <Alexia_Death> wgrant: Terre is not. On some cold boots it works and restarting KDM aleays works
[09:25] <Alexia_Death> wgrant: and there are no (EE) lines in any of the logs
[09:25] <Alexia_Death> There were some that were not fatal but I got rid of them
[09:27] <Alexia_Death> wgrant: I have a distupgraded system from jaunty(that once up on a time was installed as edgy).
[09:28] <Dr_Willis> i think grub2 is going to have a LOT of neat features.. that no one is going to know about for a long time.. heh
[09:30] <Alexia_Death> X does not even seem to try to load when the failsafe pops up.  Ive seen mention of it.. but no real docs yet.
[09:31] <Alexia_Death> xiambax: say chroot /path
[09:31] <Jordan_U_> xiambax: First you need to mount your Ubuntu partition
[09:31] <Dr_Willis> I think the last i saw LUA used was for the front ends/guis to some of these MMORPGS :) if i rember right
[09:31] <Dr_Willis> chroot /mountpoint/of/installed/system
[09:32] <CountDeMonet> ok. going to try to boot from the live cd
[09:32] <Jordan_U_> Dr_Willis: In the Debian/Ubuntu package yes. As for documentation, it's severely lacking at the moment( I had to read the source to find what functions are available )
[09:32] <lucent> fiber to the house?
[09:33] <lucent> I am one jealous-ass panda
[09:33] <InitHello> I had that once, then I moved back to the US
[09:33] <xiambax> chri got a bunch of permission denied cannot create dev/null
[09:33] <jamieleshaw> did someone mention warp speed internet?
[09:33] <InitHello> 10/10 fiber, it was sexy
[09:33] <lucent> xiambax: a few rules of chroot'ing, you need to be root rights, you need to have proc and dev and sys obind mounted
[09:34] <lucent> InitHello: hawt.
[09:34] <Alexia_Death> xiambax: try to find some instructions on chroot enviromnets for mounting dev &proc to your  env
[09:34] <Dr_Willis> i always check the gentoo docs for how they chroot :)
[09:34] <InitHello> lucent: aye, it was. But living in the country I grew up in was more hawter
[09:34] <Dr_Willis> I had a script at one time to do it.. but i forget now. havent needed it in ages
[09:35] <Jordan_U_> xiambax: Where is your Ubuntu partition mountain?
[09:35]  * lucent points to the mountain
[09:35] <xiambax>  media/_
[09:35] <Jordan_U_> s/mountain/mounted/
[09:35] <xiambax> i have it mounted now
[09:35] <xiambax> and chrooted
[09:36] <lucent> Mt. Spellcheckfail
[09:36] <Jordan_U_> xiambax: What is the exact path?
[09:36] <xiambax> ... /media/_
[09:36] <xiambax> currently i am in /etc/share/ati
[09:37] <Jordan_U_> xiambax: An underscore? I've never seen that for a mountpoint before. run "sudo mount -o bind /dev/ /media/_/dev && sudo mount -o bind /proc/ /media/_/proc"
[09:38] <TTilus> installed karmic, reboot after install and after "GRUB loading, please wait..." nothing happens
[09:38] <TTilus> what next
[09:38] <TTilus> already checked grub conf using rescue mode
[09:38] <TTilus> nothing wrong afaik
[09:40] <Jordan_U_> TTilus: Did you install from the beta or the RC?
[09:41] <xiambax> ok that worked
[09:41] <xiambax> it booted in
[09:41] <TTilus> Jordan_U_: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/
[09:43] <qwertz1230> hey all... Installing Karmic, I ran in to a bug that was set to "Fix Released" some time ago. Should I now reset it to "New" or open a new report?
[09:43] <qwertz1230> (https://bugs.launchpad.net/usb-creator/+bug/150872)
[09:44] <docmax> hello, how can i remove the ubuntu bootup logo?
[09:44] <docmax> i want normal console output
[09:44] <tgpraveen> qwertz1230: if you are sure that
[09:44] <Jordan_U_> docmax: Remove "splash" from /etc/default/grub and run "sudo update-grub"
[09:44] <tgpraveen> it is the same bug then set it to NEW and add a comment explaining what happened to you
[09:45] <docmax> Jordan_U_, thank you
[09:46] <Jordan_U_> docmax: np
[09:46] <TTilus> Jordan_U_: used "current" netboot image (dont have big enough usb-stick or cd-writer available)
[09:47] <Snotty_> i have been using 9.10 after alpha4 and have work brilliant but but.. now update wont work and programs cannot install ..hmm.. anybody else same kind of problems?
[09:49] <Jordan_U_> !details | Snotty_
[09:51] <CountDeMonet> sweet, the live cd works
[09:51] <CountDeMonet> tomorrow when I grab a new computer from the office I'm going to throw it on there
[09:51] <lucent> neato
[09:52] <CountDeMonet> now, like i said. if it works I give someone here a free invite to google voice
[09:52] <CountDeMonet> so first person after i count to 3 gets it
[09:52] <CountDeMonet> 1
[09:52] <CountDeMonet> 2
[09:52] <CountDeMonet> 3
[09:52] <InitHello> piffle, I have google wave
[09:52] <bazhang> !ot
[09:52] <InitHello> so nyaaah
[09:52] <CountDeMonet> not wave, voice
[09:53] <bazhang> CountDeMonet, this is not the channel for it
[09:53] <CountDeMonet> bazhang: alright
[09:54]  * lucent DO NOT WANT's
[09:54] <rothchild> Hi I'm having trouble with compiz on an intel 915 gfx, shadows have just become big black boxes can someone point me in the right direction as to which package to report the bug against? (or better, to troubleshoot the problem)
[09:57] <Jordan_U_> TTilus: Do you have a floppy drive?
[09:59] <TTilus> Jordan_U_: no
[09:59] <CountDeMonet> so desktop effects still don't work with intel cards?
[10:00] <lucent> rothchild: bugger
[10:00] <lucent> rothchild: does it happen on a livecd boot?
[10:00] <Jordan_U_> TTilus: You could try reinstalling grub to the usb drive
[10:01] <TTilus> Jordan_U_: why?
[10:01] <rothchild> lucent: I've not tried that yet
[10:01] <TTilus> ive got sata ssd as root and spindle sata as /home
[10:01] <Jordan_U_> TTilus: Was that grub error from the USB drive you were installing from or the installed system?
[10:01] <rothchild> I've also tried enabling uxa in xorg.conf but it doesn't seem to make any difference
[10:01] <TTilus> Jordan_U_: no grub errors
[10:02] <lucent> rothchild: I'm rocking a Gx96x integrated Intel device here, no problems
[10:02] <rothchild> CountDeMonet: it was working fine until yesterday
[10:02] <lucent> rothchild: you may also want to disable any quirks you had in Grub
[10:02] <docmax__> i have a problem... i'd like to disable gdm, but i fail
[10:02] <rothchild> lucent: quirks?
[10:02] <TTilus> Jordan_U_: after installation was completed, i removed the usb stick i booted from and rebooted (as instructed) and got to "GRUB stage1.5 .. GRUB loading, please wait..." and there it hung
[10:02] <lucent> rothchild: I would check a livecd to see if it's there
[10:02] <Jordan_U_> TTilus: You said grub wasn't loading, right?
[10:03] <CountDeMonet> rothchild: what happened yesterday?
[10:03] <docmax__> i removed gdm from rc.d but it still starts
[10:03] <Jordan_U_> TTilus: Ahh, the specific error helps
[10:03] <TTilus> Jordan_U_: how do i find out "the specific error"
[10:04] <Jordan_U_> TTilus: The stage 1.5 part, it means that the carmic installer installed grub somewhere other than your hard drive
[10:04] <TTilus> Jordan_U_: ?
[10:04] <Jordan_U_> TTilus: What you are seeing is the remains of a pre karmic install of grub legacy
[10:05] <rothchild> not sure, there was a kernel oops when waking from hibernation (which I've filed a report for) and when it reloaded the shadows were broken (it also turned off my wireless which wouldn't come back up with the fn switch until I'd connected it with a cable?)
[10:05] <Jordan_U_> TTilus: All you need to do is boot into a karmic system and run grub-install
[10:07] <shadeslayer> heh,flash is killing my PC
[10:07] <Jordan_U_> TTilus: First boot from the usb drive you installed from, then get to a terminal and find the device name for your hard drive and run "grub-install /dev/device" most likely "grub-install /dev/sda"
[10:08] <CountDeMonet> im seriously impressed with the speed of karmic esp since its running off a cd
[10:08] <shadeslayer> its really really bad after the latest updates on KDE
[10:08] <shadeslayer> CountDeMonet: lets see what youll be saying after you install flash :P
[10:09] <CountDeMonet> shadeslayer: does it slow it down that bad?
[10:09] <rothchild> lucent: I've got the iso coming down now. Any ideas about how I might be able to fix this in the box?
[10:09] <jhaig> Are there instructions for doing an upgrade to Karmic now (ie, to the RC before the official release)
[10:09] <lucent> rothchild: not until you know of a situation where it works
[10:09] <Jordan_U_> jhaig: Yes, look at the release notes
[10:10] <lucent> release notes forget to mention sacrificing a goat
[10:10] <jhaig> Jordan_U_: thanks.
[10:10] <TTilus> Jordan_U_: thanks
[10:10] <lucent> very important if you ask me
[10:10] <rothchild> lucent: fair enough, I may well be back in a little while then ;-) thanks for your help.
[10:10] <jhaig> lucent: :-)  I'll have one ready
[10:10] <Jordan_U_> jhaig: np
[10:10] <Jordan_U_> TTilus: np
[10:10] <shadeslayer> CountDeMonet: my laptop freezed as soon as i opened a flash based game,and unfreezed only after i killed the browser
[10:11] <CountDeMonet> ouch
[10:11] <rothchild> goat?! Damn I just ordered a job lot of virgins.......
[10:11] <Jordan_U_> lucent: They added dead goats as a dependancy to ubuntu-minimal for the RC
[10:11] <CountDeMonet> rothchild: they come cheap in bulk, esp when you realize were dealing with linux here ;)
[10:11] <Jordan_U_> lucent: So it should work automatically, though some might be surprised by the mess
[10:11] <lucent> Jordan_U_: I heard the super cow was slayed ;)
[10:12]  * lucent ba-dum-pcha! @ CountDeMonet
[10:12] <rothchild> lol@cdm
[10:13] <CountDeMonet> i wonder how much better android development will be on ubuntu
[10:16] <JohnFlux> When my laptop runs out of battery I get a warning that it will hibernate in 30 seconds
[10:16] <JohnFlux> if I immediately plug power in, it beeps, indicating that I plugged in power
[10:16] <JohnFlux> but 30 seconds later, it hibernates
[10:17] <JohnFlux> This is in Kubuntu 9.10
[10:17] <richardcavell> JohnFlux: is it correctly reading your laptop power level?
[10:17] <richardcavell> It wasn't on my laptop a couple of months ago
[10:17] <docmax> hello, GDM still runs at bootup allthough i disabled it from rc.d.. any ideas???
[10:17] <richardcavell> My Karmic alpha CD is now a coaster for my Coke Zero
[10:17] <JohnFlux> richardcavell: the icon shows the correct battery level
[10:17] <lucent> docmax: uh...upstart
[10:17] <richardcavell> JohnFlux: okay, just a thought
[10:17] <JohnFlux> richardcavell: even when the icon shows the battery fully charged, it will reboot
[10:18] <JohnFlux> this happened because:
[10:18] <docmax> upstart?
[10:18] <lucent> docmax: "service gdm stop" not /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[10:18] <lucent> docmax: no more sysviinit
[10:18] <JohnFlux> 1) I got the warning that it would reboot.
[10:18] <JohnFlux> uh, hibernate
[10:18] <JohnFlux> 2) I manually hibernated immediately, and plugged in power
[10:18] <KyleS-work> Hey guys, anyone else having issues booting the 9.10 RC amd64 live CD?
[10:18] <JohnFlux> 3) several hours later, I unhibernated, with full battery
[10:18] <JohnFlux> 30 seconds later, it hibernated again automatically :-D
[10:19] <ltspadmin> S32ltsp-client-setup what is the use of this command
[10:19] <ltspadmin> in ltsp server
[10:20] <CountDeMonet> shadeslayer: flash works just fine. no slowdown at all or problems encountered
[10:20] <sobersabre> hi guys.
[10:20] <sobersabre> I have a h/w->s/w q.
[10:20] <sobersabre> I got koala on my thinkpad.
[10:20] <sobersabre> it works quite nicely.
[10:20] <richardcavell> JohnFlux: dunno man
[10:20] <sobersabre> I wanted to setup fingerprint reader, and got it working.
[10:20] <ltspadmin> S32ltsp-client-setup what is the use of this command in ltsp server ubuntu 9.04
[10:20] <sobersabre> I can login via the term with my finger print,
[10:20] <sobersabre> I can run other auth. related stuff.
[10:20] <sobersabre> BUT!
[10:21] <sobersabre> screensaver is making me some trouble.
[10:21] <sobersabre> I am on gnome.
[10:21] <sobersabre> when I run screensaver, and it shows the login prompt,
[10:21] <docmax> service gdm stop prevents from start at next boot???
[10:21] <sobersabre> If I give it the password, it doesn't log me in, but shows the "wait..." cursor.
[10:21] <shadeslayer> CountDeMonet: hmm... i have 64 bit
[10:21] <sobersabre> if I give it the fingerprint, it doesn't do anything.
[10:22] <docmax> lucent?
[10:23] <CountDeMonet> so is there any good migration software now to move things over from windows to karmic?
[10:23] <shadeslayer> CountDeMonet: wubi?
[10:23] <ltspadmin> The hard disk can be used with LILO or GRUB, to load the Linux kernel and initrd. You can also load the Etherboot bootrom image from the hard disk, and it will act like a bootrom.
[10:24] <sobersabre> I have modified the /etc/pam.d/gnome-screensaver
[10:24] <sobersabre> I removed this line:
[10:25] <sobersabre> auth optional pam_gnome_keyring.so
[10:25] <CountDeMonet> shadeslayer: i mean something that automatically moves over preferences in common applications for you, such as all firefox add-ons/bookmarks
[10:25] <sobersabre> and I left the include @common-auth line.
[10:25] <sobersabre> that one has been also altered by the thinkfinger-pam-enable script.
[10:25] <sobersabre> anyway, can anybody give me some kind of pointer ?
[10:25] <sobersabre> I want screensaver to read fingerprints OR a password.
[10:26] <shadeslayer> CountDeMonet: hmm.. there should be something in ubiquity to do that stuff
[10:26] <KyleS-work> Anyone having difficulties with the amd64 Live CD?  After the initial 'try ubuntu' I simply get a blinking cursor
[10:27] <TTilus> Jordan_U_: up and running
[10:27] <Dr_Willis> sobersabre:  good luck with that. there MIGHT be some screensavers for linux that do it. but ive never seen any
[10:27] <Dr_Willis> sobersabre:  there is a power setting thing to require a password to get back in.
[10:27] <Dr_Willis> but i forget where. I always disable the thing.
[10:27] <KyleS-work> I have tried all manner of 'F6' and no dice
[10:28] <TTilus> Jordan_U_: what do you think, should i file a bug, clearly installation guessed my boot disk wrong (and did not ask)
[10:28] <sobersabre> Dr_Willis: according to the online manuals I have all the versions of s/w that are supposedly able to support what I need.
[10:28] <jhaig> OK, I have followed the instructions linked off http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/910 for upgrading (which I note refers to upgrading to 9.04) and it does not give me the option to upgrade to the RC.  Is there something I'm missing?  (I haven't sacrificed the goat yet)
[10:28] <Jordan_U_> TTilus: Yes, please file a bug ( if one hasn't been filed already )
[10:28] <TTilus> Jordan_U_: ssd which was supposed to be bootdisk _had_ previous ubuntu setup
[10:28] <sobersabre> jhaig: what do you mean "RC" ?
[10:28] <TTilus> Jordan_U_: against what?
[10:29] <docmax> service gdm stop prevents from start at next boot???
[10:29] <jhaig> Hmmm, I thought there had been an RC for Karmic.
[10:29] <Jordan_U_> TTilus: Debian-installer probably
[10:29] <KyleS-work> jhaig, there is :)
[10:29] <Dr_Willis> docmax:  no it would not stop gdm at next boot
[10:29] <KyleS-work> Was released on the 22nd
[10:29] <TTilus> Jordan_U_: hum, okay, yes
[10:29] <docmax> Dr_Willis, any ideas how to prevent GDM to boot on next boot?
[10:29] <jhaig> Well, that's what I mean by the RC
[10:30] <Dr_Willis> docmax:  disable the gdm service  is one way i guess
[10:30] <docmax> Dr_Willis, i did update-rc.d gdm remove... doesnt work
[10:31] <Dr_Willis> docmax:  thats because gdm is contriolled by UPSTART now. not the sysv scripts
[10:31] <docmax> how do i edit upstart?
[10:31] <Dr_Willis> it in /etc/init
[10:31] <JohnFlux> After hibernating, is there any way to get sound working again?
[10:31] <Dr_Willis> edit the gdm.conf or move it out of that dir perhaps
[10:31] <JohnFlux> or is this yet-another-pulseaudio bug?
[10:38] <docmax> where is the upstart folder which includes the services to run?
[10:41] <Dr_Willis> it in /etc/init
[10:44] <yoritomo> hello everybody
[10:45] <yoritomo> how to downgrade to grub1 under karmic64 ? this morning has been a grub update, and instead of 10sec "grub loading" now it takes about 25 secs :s
[10:46] <Heikki123> uuh
[10:46] <Heikki123> i have less than 1 sec grub loading
[10:47] <shadeslayer> yoritomo: same upgrade,no problem
[10:47] <shadeslayer> my grub boot is instant
[10:47] <yoritomo> yes but my grub was already not normal before, could it be coming from ext4fs partition ?
[10:48] <Dr_Willis> ive noticed the time depends greatly on hardware
[10:48] <Dr_Willis> i got one bos that has 5+ hd's and takes like 30 sec
[10:48] <yoritomo> de hdd working like a crazy on loading time, and looks like a cyclic task
[10:48] <Dr_Willis> this is befor grub menu appears i forget the exact messages
[10:48] <richardcavell> shouldn't take 25 secs to load grub
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> I would stick with grub2 instead of trying to use grub1 -
[10:49] <yoritomo> yes "loading grub" on a black screen
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> its taking the time i imagine to scan the drives
[10:49] <richardcavell> yeah
[10:49] <richardcavell> I reckon it's looking for operating systems
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> ive seen/heard my one flakey box.. each drive spinning up
[10:49] <yoritomo> with the same hardware i had not that problem under jaunty and grub1
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> ive had identical (and worse) issues on this box with Grub1
[10:50] <Dr_Willis> but its a fileserver mainly with 4+ weeks of upti,e
[10:50] <yoritomo> it is 3 hdd and about 10 partition on it
[10:50] <Dr_Willis> so a 40 sec delay at boot is not a big deal
[10:50] <yoritomo> 40 secs :o
[10:50] <CountDeMonet> so if you have the RC installed on a system, come the 29th you can update it to the final?
[10:51] <yoritomo> it lose the benefit to have a fast computer
[10:51] <Dr_Willis> CountDeMonet:  yes.. thats a feature of the package manager
[10:51] <Dr_Willis> yoritomo:  oh the huge-manatee- a whole 40 sec! :)
[10:51] <CountDeMonet> Dr_Willis: brilliant
[10:51] <shadeslayer> hi i have a weird problem,even after deleting 3 activities out of 4,i can switch to the other activities via the keyboard shortcut
[10:52] <Dr_Willis> grub2 is still a work in progress. file bug reports help make it better.
[10:52] <yoritomo> i installed beta version 2 weeks ago, but keeping daily updated then it will be equal to the rc ?
[10:52] <Dr_Willis> I like some of the other new features in grub2
[10:52] <Dr_Willis> yoritomo:  yes thats how it works
[10:52] <Dr_Willis> in theory :)
[10:53] <Dr_Willis> tgere might be a little cruft left over. but proberly not much
[10:53] <yoritomo> i don't see grub-legacy on the 64 synaptic
[10:53] <yoritomo> what to do to go back to grub1 ?
[10:53] <yoritomo> need to grab a deb on a ppa ?
[10:56]  * jhaig clicks "Start Upgrade" ...
[10:57] <frandieguez>  Hi to all! Recently the new language packs for Galician (gl_ES) have been released with some bugs I have fixed on the translations but the interface shows the previous translations. I reboot the computer and try a lot of things but doesn't work. Want can I do to refresh the translation cache it this exists??
[10:58] <frandieguez>  I try creating a new user but it doesn't work too
[10:59] <shadeslayer> frandieguez: what DE ?
[10:59] <frandieguez> sorry, I don't understant... => DE???
[10:59] <Heikki123> desktop environment
[10:59] <shadeslayer> frandieguez: what Desktop env.
[11:00] <frandieguez> Karmic with gnome
[11:00] <shadeslayer> frandieguez: im on kde,so dont know the cache refresh command
[11:00] <frandieguez> I'm searching the bugs on launchpad. wait a minute
[11:01] <zniavre_> !grub2
[11:01] <frandieguez> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/457001
[11:01] <frandieguez> and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus/+bug/457007
[11:02] <frandieguez> I was looking on the mofiles with msgunfmt and the bugs are fixed
[11:07] <KyleS-work> So...my computer will not boot to the live cd at all.  Even when I remove the 'splash' and 'quiet' at the end of the kernel line, it still fails.
[11:07] <KyleS-work> I get a blinking cursor with 0 output
[11:07] <KyleS-work> that is, unless I try the EDD flag
[11:07] <ikt> tried alternate?
[11:07] <KyleS-work> then I get probing EDD ...then a blinking cursor
[11:08] <KyleS-work> I have not tried the alternate yet
[11:08] <KyleS-work> Guess I'll give that the old college try when I get home
[11:11] <onats> it actually broke my system!
[11:11] <onats> gah!!!
[11:12] <KyleS-work> :(
[11:12] <onats> anyone encounter this issue:
[11:12] <Polarina> onats: You wouldn't be the first one. ;)
[11:12] <bigbrovar> My laptop performs very poorly for 2d graphics. For example, Docky's zoom effect and compiz effects are very choppy. In Jaunty, I was able to fix this by adding the following line under the "Device" section in my xorg.conf:
[11:12] <bigbrovar> Option "MigrationHeuristic" "greedy"
[11:13] <bigbrovar> is there a way i can speen things up on karmic ? am using the Intel X3100 card
[11:16] <lucent> intel graphics are in a state of upheaval
[11:17] <lucent> it's mostly a good thing but there are a few places where it needs more testing
[11:17] <bigbrovar> that is cherring news :(
[11:17] <wgrant> Things are pretty settled now.
[11:17] <wgrant> You should no longer need to specify a MigrationHeuristic.
[11:17] <wgrant> If things aren't working well, perhaps 'ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-video-intel'
[11:19] <bigbrovar> guess thats what i'll do
[11:19] <aprilhare> what permissions should /tmp have?
[11:19] <bigbrovar> intel use to be a gurantee for a smooth graphic experience on linux .. sad to see it go the way of Pulse Audio
[11:19] <aprilhare> drwxrwxrwt  30 root root 90112 2009-10-24 21:19 tmp
[11:20] <yoritomo> is grub1 compatible with karmic64 ?
[11:20] <aprilhare> does that look right?
[11:20] <aprilhare> yoritomo: yes
[11:20] <lucent> bigbrovar: since recent Karmic updates, integrated intel gma965 works really really well
[11:20] <lucent> modesetting kernel and all that
[11:21] <lucent> it just plain works, better than it ever did with the Ubuntu pre-installed on it from Dell many years ago
[11:21] <lucent> not everyone with intel graphics gets to have that experience though :/
[11:21] <wgrant> bigbrovar: Most of the acceleration stack has been rewritten in the past year. It's not unexpected that some things are going wrong.
[11:21] <bigbrovar> ucent>: well i guess that is relative cus karmic is not as smooth as "geedy moded" jaunty  on my pc
[11:22] <wgrant> However, Karmic should be better for everything, except perhaps i810 and i845.
[11:23] <wgrant> aprilhare: That's right.
[11:23] <bigbrovar> wgrant> definitely not better here and this is a fresh install. anyway to tweak UXA for better performance
[11:23] <aprilhare> hmmmm
[11:24] <aprilhare> wgrant: firefox won't open a document automatically. it complains download failed - but the file is in /tmp
[11:24] <wgrant> bigbrovar: If you have to tweak, there is a bug. Which chipset?
[11:24] <aprilhare> i wonder: could a problem with /tmp affect flash?
[11:24] <wgrant> aprilhare: What type of file?
[11:25] <aprilhare> wgrant: pdf
[11:25] <bigbrovar> wgrant> integrated intel gma965
[11:25] <aprilhare> wgrant: say you click on a pdf, as usual the pdf plugin doesn't work and it gives you a choice to save or open the document. you select open, it downloads then reports failure
[11:26] <wgrant> aprilhare: I think that sometimes if it can't launch the application.
[11:26] <wgrant> bigbrovar: File a bug.
[11:26] <amgarchIn9> anybody using kde? Do you have shutdown/reboot buttons in Leave-menu or on C-Alt-Del?
[11:26] <bigbrovar> wgrant> ok thanks I will
[11:29] <aprilhare> wgrant: yeah that may be true. thats true of most files really. you save a file with firefox, try to open it in the download window and nearly 100% of the time whatever file it is fails to open. it claims the link needs to be opened with an application - and the default list of applications is empty.
[11:29] <BUGabundo> hey bigbrovar
[11:29] <bigbrovar> BUGabundo> yo
[11:29] <aprilhare> so you either find the actual application using the 'choose an application' or give up. even if you find it, it won't load anyways
[11:30] <aprilhare> all mucked up
[11:30] <yoritomo> Jokeur un petit dessin vaut mieux qu'un grand discours http://www.souslestoits.net/blog/public/billets/virtualbox.jpg
[11:30] <yoritomo> Jokeur http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/virtualbox
[11:31] <yoritomo> et ca marche pour tout les périphérique windows non reconnus puisque tu peux installer tout les drivers comme en réel
[11:31] <yoritomo> heu sorry i mistake chan
[11:33] <aprilhare> no worries
[11:33] <aprilhare> never seen windows xp in a virtualbox in french :)
[11:35] <aprilhare> wgrant: all that download handling functionality seems mucked up
[11:36] <AnxiousNut> im have Compaq mini 110 netbook, trying remix 9.10 rc, in ubutnu's previous release the wireless worked out of the box, but now it's not working
[11:36] <jarnos> IMO It would be worthwhile telling in the known issues that some remotes have stopped working by lirc in Karmic even if they worked in Jaunty, due to incompatibility between new kernel and drivers; see Bug #459021, http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_name=4AE07265.5070808%40umich.edu
[11:38] <yoritomo> aprilhare hehe the only mean to get working paperweight printers fine and with the dump it is starting over 4 sec :)
[11:41] <AnxiousNut> where can i send bugs?
[11:42] <BUGabundo> AnxiousNut: launchpad
[11:42] <BUGabundo> use $ ubuntu-bug PACKAGE
[11:42] <BUGabundo> !bugs | AnxiousNut
[11:45] <lucent> crap... I can't mount scsi devices after N number of times
[11:45] <lucent> [702890.939332] sd 15:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through
[11:45] <lucent> [702890.939343] sd 15:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI removable disk
[11:46] <lucent> 15!?
[11:46] <lucent> what kind of bug is that anyways
[11:46] <KyleS-work> It's a scsi drive right?
[11:47] <KyleS-work> Is it jumpered correctly?
[11:47] <lucent> usb storage, or firewire, etc.
[11:47] <lucent> remmovable devices
[11:47] <KyleS-work> ah
[11:47] <lucent> I plug in, mount, umount, unplug
[11:47] <lucent> then repeat
[11:47] <lucent> eventually it just stops working at all
[11:47] <KyleS-work> unload the module?
[11:47] <KyleS-work> reload it?
[11:47] <KyleS-work> rmmod usb-storage
[11:47] <KyleS-work> modprobe usb-storage
[11:47] <lucent> huh, I could try that I guess
[11:47] <KyleS-work> sudo if you're not root
[11:48] <jhaig> I'm trying to upgrade to Karmic RC but after downloading the packages I'm getting "Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libo/liboobs/liboobs-1-4_2.22.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb Size mismatch".  Can anyone help?  Thanks.
[11:48] <lucent> KyleS-work: that does the trick, sounds like a bug?
[11:48] <lucent> what kind of bug though
[11:48] <KyleS-work> Not sure honestly
[11:48]  * lucent chuckles @ liboobs
[11:48] <KyleS-work> lucent, I did too :)
[11:48] <kulight> i cant get sound watching tv from a usb dvb device. any suggestions?
[11:49] <lucent> KyleS-work: in dmesg, now the number is up to 16:0:0:0:
[11:49] <lucent> that's just ridiculous
[11:50] <lucent> plug/unplug usb storage, you'd hit some kind of limit rather quickly
[11:50] <BlouBlou> installed! :D
[11:51] <BlouBlou> I think all it's cool, but I prefer pidgin than empathy
[11:51] <KyleS-work> hehe, at least they kept the interface similar
[11:51] <KyleS-work> lucent, I'm not sure what you would bug it as though
[11:52] <BlouBlou> yes, but pidgin was littlbe bit more "advanced"
[11:52] <dupondje> when does the following Alpha releases start ? ;)
[11:52] <lucent> it is affecting any remmovable storage that appears as a scsi device
[11:52] <lucent> I have in fact usb storage and also firewire storage
[11:52] <Ian_Corne> !releaseschedule
[11:53] <kulight> !release schedule
[11:53] <dupondje> :p
[11:53] <shadeslayer> !release
[11:53] <KyleS-work> I wish I could just get 9.10 to boot myself
[11:53] <KyleS-work> the live CD epic fails on my computer :(
[11:53] <lucent> bummer
[11:53] <KyleS-work> I'm going to try the alternate cd when I get home
[11:53] <lucent> is the pc well spec'ed?
[11:53] <KyleS-work> very
[11:53] <KyleS-work> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8156696
[11:54] <dupondje> btw; somebody worked with dmraid_nvidia module for GRUB2 ?
[11:54] <KyleS-work> That's the forum post for it
[11:54]  * lucent nods
[11:54] <KyleS-work> I've never had an issue like it
[11:54] <lucent> might try nosmp acpi=bios
[11:54] <KyleS-work> I can't even verbose it
[11:55] <KyleS-work> hmmm...
[11:55] <KyleS-work> I'll try that when I get home in about 2 hours
[11:55] <KyleS-work> I wouldn't have even thought to do that
[11:56] <KyleS-work> If it gave me error messages, I'd love it
[11:56] <lucent> KyleS-work: would also suggest trying an 32-bit livecd for comparison
[11:56] <KyleS-work> 32 bit works
[11:56] <KyleS-work> ...slowly
[11:56] <KyleS-work> but 64 bit won't load at all
[11:56] <onats> help, i upgraded my 9.04 to 9.10 but now i cant boot in. the boot sequence gets stuck when it starts to try mounting devices in /etc/fstab. it keeps on waiting for ALL the devices
[11:56] <lucent> ah
[11:56] <tobi_> I can't start Empathy with Karmic Koala. I just get an Segmentation fault
[11:57] <KyleS-work> 64 doesn't post after the grub in the live cd.  I just get blinking cursor
[11:57] <onats> how do i recover/rollback it back to 9.04 again?
[11:57] <KyleS-work> onats, you don't unfortunately
[11:57] <lucent> KyleS-work: weird as it sounds, try unplugging all your USB devices and trying different ports or whatever
[11:57] <onats> KyleS, so whats the solution?
[11:57] <lucent> I don't know why, but I saw that one time
[11:58] <onats> argh!!!!
[11:58] <tobi_> and I can't make an backtrace, because gdb can't find the debugging symbols
[11:58] <KyleS-work> omg...I didn't even think to unplug the usb
[11:58] <lucent> still don't know why.
[11:58] <onats> this is the first time this happened to me on an upgrade on ubuntu!
[11:58] <tobi_> what packege do I need to install to get the debugging symbols?
[11:58] <onats> i need my desktop!
[11:58] <KyleS-work> You'll have to reinstall 9.04
[11:58] <onats> ouch
[11:58] <lucent> KyleS-work: I saw the PS/2 driver in usb emulation mode cause an interrupt deadlock, that was freaky
[11:58] <x-Na> Hmmh
[11:59] <KyleS-work> But the weird part is i get 0 output
[11:59] <Dr_Willis> Of course if  a upgrade failed.. a clean install miught work better
[11:59] <x-Na> why not just boot with livecd and edit the fstab-file?
[11:59] <onats> that does not sound too good. what about karmic when it goes out? will it be better? also, can i have my home and root in different kinds of partitions?
[11:59] <KyleS-work> even when disabling splash/quiet
[11:59] <lucent> there's a race condition that persists in the Linux kernel and once in a while something freaky triggers it
[11:59] <lucent> it's a hardware related trigger
[11:59] <lucent> serial console would be helpful :)
[11:59] <KyleS-work> I'll try that out when I get home
[11:59] <Dr_Willis> onats:  you can use different fileysstems for /home and /boot.  Notsure what you mean by kinds of partitions. :) theres only 3 kinds.
[12:00] <penguin42> 3?
[12:00] <lucent> KyleS-work: booting nosmp acpi=bios should help though
[12:00] <Dr_Willis> Primary, extended, logical
[12:00] <KyleS-work> I'll try that when I get home :)
[12:00] <lucent> ew
[12:00] <lucent> sick of FAT just use GPT already ha
[12:01] <KyleS-work> Dr_Willis, that's with a dos partitioning scheme
[12:01] <penguin42> Dr_Willis: Ah yeh I alwys forget about the extended itself; I guess you could through fortune to the wind and use a different partition table format like GPT
[12:01] <KyleS-work> gpt <--different
[12:01] <penguin42> KyleS-work: Are you on a mac out of interest?
[12:01] <skiwithpete> hello
[12:01] <Tronic> GPT support on Linux still sucks.
[12:01] <KyleS-work> nah
[12:01] <bazhang> skiwithpete, did you try switching mirrors
[12:01] <KyleS-work> worst part about owning a mac...having to tell your parents you're gay :)
[12:01] <lucent> it's fine, parted and grub2
[12:01] <penguin42> KyleS-work: ah OK, it's just more common with EFI
[12:01] <Tronic> E.g. you cannot resize XFS GPT partitions.
[12:02] <dupondje> seems like nobody tried GRUB2 with DMRAID ? ;)
[12:02] <Tronic> But if you have disks bigger than 2 TB, you have to use GPT.
[12:02] <KyleS-work> ya
[12:02] <skiwithpete> ok, I get the wrong IP when I try to search gb.archive.ubuntu.com
[12:02] <Tronic> PC BIOS partition tables don't work past that size.
[12:02] <skiwithpete> PING gb.archive.ubuntu.com (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[12:02] <Dr_Willis> one of the many reasons to be moving to grub2 I guess.
[12:03] <skiwithpete> if you ping it, I bet you'll get a different IP for it
[12:03] <dupondje> Tronic: no ? 64bit LBA ?
[12:03] <penguin42> skiwithpete: Indeed I get <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:03] <KyleS-work> same penguin42
[12:03] <skiwithpete> how do I clear the IP table?
[12:03] <dupondje> skiwithpete: its maby roundrobin ?
[12:03] <skiwithpete> I had the same problem in Kubuntu with a nightly last week
[12:03] <penguin42> skiwithpete: That's really dodgy
[12:04] <skiwithpete> what do I do to clear it?
[12:04] <penguin42> dupondje: It doesn't show up as another IP on a dig
[12:04] <KyleS-work> skiwithpete, try a different dns server
[12:04] <skiwithpete> I can't install addons in Firefox either
[12:04] <KyleS-work> could be your dns lookup
[12:04] <Tronic> dupondje: I don't think there's a 64 bit LBA variant of PC BIOS partition table.
[12:04] <skiwithpete> how do I do a DNS lookup?
[12:05] <onats> i busted it, i guess its time to test out psystars rebel efi
[12:05] <dupondje> Tronic: there is. Don't need to use GPT for +2TB disks
[12:05] <Tronic> dupondje: Okay, then is that supported by anything?
[12:05] <Tronic> At least all the partitioning tools I used apparently failed.
[12:05] <Hukka> *sigh* You think you have it all, and then things just break after boot. Now I have no sound anymore... lshw still sees my nVidia NCP55 HDA, and snd_hda_intel is loaded.
[12:05] <Tronic> => if it is not supported, you might just as well be using GPT.
[12:06] <dupondje> Tronic: not even need to partition a disk with XFS
[12:06] <dupondje> you can just format the disk as a whole ..
[12:06] <Hukka> But alsamixer says there's no such file or directory and gnome-volume-manager doesn't show any output devices (except for dummy)
[12:06] <shadeslayer> gah... 127 MB of RAM free.... out of 3 GB
[12:06] <KyleS-work> Hukka, did you do a partial upgrade?
[12:06] <Tronic> dupondje: Not such a good idea. What if you actually do need partitions (e.g. boot or swap)?
[12:06] <lucent> shadeslayer: how much is cached?
[12:06] <penguin42> shadeslayer: Don't worry, most of it's probably cache
[12:07] <skiwithpete> i don't know what to do
[12:07] <Hukka> KyleS-work: This is a machine installed with Karmic beta cd
[12:07] <dupondje> Tronic: it depends what you do with it ofc :) but for example I have 4TB array
[12:07] <KyleS-work> ah
[12:07] <dupondje> just 1 partition :)
[12:07] <shadeslayer> -/+ buffers/cache:        855       2162
[12:07] <Tronic> dupondje: It will also confuse other OSes, prevent autodetection on Linux too, etc.
[12:07] <KyleS-work> Hukka, the RC was released yesterday
[12:07] <KyleS-work> er..on the 22nd
[12:07] <KyleS-work> maybe try upgrading?
[12:07] <shadeslayer> lucent: penguin42 how do i clear the cache?
[12:07] <Tronic> I used to do that, though. Now I use GPT.
[12:07] <lucent> shadeslayer: why the hell?
[12:07] <penguin42> shadeslayer: Are you sure you want to - it's good!
[12:07] <Hukka> KyleS-work: And last time I used audio was on Thursday, and I don't recall audio related packages being updated since that
[12:07] <bazhang> skiwithpete, does normal browsing work fine
[12:07] <shadeslayer> penguin42: the cache is good?
[12:07] <guntbert> shadeslayer: have a look at http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
[12:07] <Hukka> Can't be sure about that though, there has been plenty of upgraded packets
[12:08] <Tronic> At some point I was even forced to use device mapper because some partition tool had made the partition begin at sector 32 and then I got past the 2 GB mark and things broke.
[12:08] <penguin42> shadeslayer: Yeh, it's holding stuff you read from disc previously; if it's needed for something more useful the kernel will throw some cache away automatically
[12:08] <Hukka> But anyway, after checking the driver and lshw, I'm not out of ideas
[12:08] <skiwithpete> baz, not really, some pages are broken
[12:08] <Hukka> s/not/now
[12:08] <dupondje> Tronic: http://www.areca.us/support/download/RaidCards/Documents/Manual_Spec/Over2TB_Manual.zip
[12:08] <skiwithpete> some work though
[12:08] <dupondje> :)
[12:08] <skiwithpete> but its inconsisten which ones work and which ones don't
[12:09] <Tronic> dupondje: I don't think that really helps much.
[12:09] <Tronic> (I have read it, because I use Areca controllers)
[12:09] <lucent> lol @ linuxatemyram website
[12:09] <lucent> can't believe that exists
[12:10] <shadeslayer> penguin42: ah... nice page :D
[12:10] <KyleS-work> lucent, it's the internet
[12:10] <skiwithpete> can't even think what the problem is,
[12:10] <dupondje> Tronic: what u need exactly ? I know fdisk doesn't support 2TB+
[12:10] <KyleS-work> of course it exists
[12:10] <KyleS-work> <--works at a Data Center haha
[12:10] <shadeslayer> penguin42: why does it not use swap?
[12:10] <KyleS-work> I get more than my fair share of internet unfortunately
[12:10]  * lucent falls over
[12:10] <skiwithpete> is there a way to reset the IP table, because mine points at the wrong place for gb.archive.ubuntu.com
[12:10] <dupondje> shadeslayer: Linux only uses swap when there is like 0bytes memory availible
[12:10] <dupondje> swap = slowdown
[12:11] <Tronic> dupondje: I'm fine. I use GPT and my own partitioning utility (gptedit).
[12:11] <penguin42> shadeslayer: Swap's on disk so is slow; it's just using some of your spare RAM to avoid having to go to disc for things like config files that keep getting read or binaries you keep running
[12:11] <KyleS-work> dupondje, not exactly true
[12:11] <KyleS-work> dupondje, my Ubuntu likes to eat swap on occasion regardless of memory used
[12:11] <shadeslayer> penguin42: oh,thanks for clearing that out :)
[12:11] <penguin42> shadeslayer: It might even decide to swap something out to make more room for cache if that thing is very rarely used
[12:11] <lucent> parted annoys me that it commits changes immediately
[12:11] <lucent> I wish it had a save mode
[12:11] <Tronic> dupondje: Had to write my own utility because parted wouldn't resize (grow) XFS partitions.
[12:11] <KyleS-work> lucent, if you want to recover partitions...
[12:11] <KyleS-work> one sec
[12:11]  * penguin42 dislikes parted, I find it's mkfspart command way too complex
[12:11] <KyleS-work> http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk <--I highly recommend this
[12:12] <lucent> nifty
[12:12] <skiwithpete> anyone?
[12:12] <KyleS-work> I use it at work to save customer partitions
[12:12] <KyleS-work> works great in linux.
[12:12] <lucent> yeah I have run into work like that before
[12:12] <lucent> it takes a toll on your soul after about 15-20 jobs
[12:12] <lucent> like you're cheating fate
[12:12]  * lucent :)
[12:13] <skiwithpete> ok, so I went into sources.list
[12:13] <skiwithpete> and changed the source to us.archive.ubuntu.com
[12:14] <skiwithpete> then I ran the ping on gb.archive.ubuntu.com
[12:14] <honka> would you please tell me equivalent to adobe professional in linux?
[12:14] <skiwithpete> 64 bytes from gb.archive.ubuntu.com (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_seq=8 ttl=55 time=42.5 ms
[12:14] <skiwithpete> and it gave me the correct IP addy for gb.archive.ubuntu.com
[12:14] <lucent> honka: none that I know of, maybe scribus
[12:15] <lucent> honka: what kind of work do you need to do?
[12:15] <KyleS-work> skiwithpete if you want
[12:15] <KyleS-work> add it to /etc/hosts
[12:15] <skiwithpete> what what?
[12:15] <KyleS-work> you can make a host point to a certain IP
[12:15] <Tronic> dupondje<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:15] <honka> I wanna read and write pdf files
[12:16] <skiwithpete> still, loads of websites don't work and firefox won't install addons
[12:17] <richardcavell> does OpenOffice read pdfs?
[12:17] <KyleS-work> skiwithpete, I'd change your dns server
[12:17] <KyleS-work> do this
[12:17] <KyleS-work> cat /etc/resolv.conf
[12:17] <richardcavell> honka: OpenOffice definitely saves pdfs
[12:17] <skiwithpete> I had this problem with the Kubuntu Nightly the other day, surely someone else is having these problems
[12:17] <skiwithpete> KyleS-work, how?
[12:17] <honka> is there something smaller than of?
[12:18] <KyleS-work> type the command cat /etc/resolv.conf
[12:18] <skiwithpete> pete@hp-laptop:~$ cat /etc/resolv.conf
[12:18] <skiwithpete> # Generated by NetworkManager
[12:18] <skiwithpete> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:18] <KyleS-work> ok, is that the gateway of your router?
[12:18] <skiwithpete> yes
[12:18] <KyleS-work> ok, so it's routing through your router.
[12:19] <KyleS-work> check the DNS servers on your router
[12:19] <Dr_Willis> routing through router. :)
[12:19] <KyleS-work> hehe
[12:19] <KyleS-work> yup
[12:19] <skiwithpete> KyleS-work, I know its not the router because of the experiment above
[12:19] <Dr_Willis> vs gateing through the gateway
[12:19] <Dr_Willis> I got the opendns ip's handy if you want
[12:19] <KyleS-work> maybe try unloading and reloading the IPs on the router
[12:19] <skiwithpete> when I changed the sources.list to US it started using other IPs
[12:20] <Dr_Willis> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:20] <Dr_Willis> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:20] <Dr_Willis> for open dns. (just if you want to test)
[12:20] <GarthPS> HI.I am encurting an error during KarmicUpgrades : I hav followed this  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KarmicUpgrades/Kubuntu and the installatin is hanging .I am in the installation of package stage and the interface has frozen. what am i suppos to do?
[12:20] <KyleS-work> skiwithpete, if you want to do it easily, do this command
[12:20] <KyleS-work> echo "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" > /etc/resolv.conf && echo "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" >> /etc/resolv.conf
[12:21] <KyleS-work> then try your luck with the updates
[12:21] <skiwithpete> KyleS-work, bash: /etc/resolv.conf: Permission denied
[12:22] <KyleS-work> ok, this one then
[12:22] <Dr_Willis> got to do it as root.:)
[12:22] <KyleS-work> sudo echo "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" > /etc/resolv.conf && sudo echo "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" >> /etc/resolv.conf
[12:22] <rothchild> lucent: thanks for your help earlier, I've reinstalled from CD and it seems to have fixed my compiz problems
[12:22] <KyleS-work> :)
[12:22] <skiwithpete> pete@hp-laptop:~$ sudo echo "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" > /etc/resolv.conf && sudo echo "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" >> /etc/resolv.conf
[12:22] <skiwithpete> bash: /etc/resolv.conf: Permission denied
[12:22] <KyleS-work> eh?
[12:23] <skiwithpete> eh?
[12:23] <KyleS-work> weird
[12:23] <wgrant> > is a shell operation. sudoing echo isn't going to do anything.
[12:23] <KyleS-work> ah
[12:23] <wgrant> Try piping into 'sudo tee' instead.
[12:23] <KyleS-work> then sudo su - then the command echo "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" > /etc/resolv.conf && echo "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" >> /etc/resolv.conf
[12:24] <Hukka> Hmh, sudo alsamixer does find a sound card
[12:24] <frandieguez> skiwithpete, use tee
[12:24] <Hukka> But sudo gnome-volume-manager doesn't
[12:24] <wgrant> Please never 'sudo su -'. 'sudo -i' does the same but in a less awful fashion.
[12:24] <frandieguez> echo "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" |sudo tee /etc/resolv.conf
[12:24] <wgrant> Hukka: Why would you sudo that?
[12:24] <frandieguez> echo "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" |sudo tee -a /etc/resolv.conf # to add another line
[12:24] <Hukka> But there definately is hw found, since it has all info in /proc/asound
[12:25] <Hukka> wgrant: Better question is why do I need to do that
[12:25] <Hukka> I only know that alsamixer doesn't find the soundcard with my user permissions, and it did yesterday
[12:25] <KyleS-work> Hukka check the /etc/groups
[12:25] <KyleS-work> make sure you're a part of audio
[12:25] <skiwithpete> ok, I've dont that.
[12:25] <Hukka> Alas, still no sound, even though the volume levels are now unmuted
[12:25] <wgrant> Is PA running?
[12:25] <skiwithpete> sorry, done that...
[12:25] <skiwithpete>  now what
[12:25] <KyleS-work> skiwithpete, now try your update
[12:26] <KyleS-work> see if it gives you better results
[12:26] <KyleS-work> Hmmm.....nvm Hukka, apparently Ubuntu does it differently
[12:26] <KyleS-work> pulse is the only member of audio
[12:26] <Hukka> KyleS-work: I'm not, but I wasn't before either. Only pulse is, and shouldn't all audio go through that?
[12:27] <wgrant> KyleS-work: policykit is magical.
[12:27] <Hukka> Hm, I got a beep through the speakers
[12:27] <Hukka> A very, very annoying one, but still: sound
[12:27] <wgrant> Hukka: In the default config, PulseAudio runs through your user, not the system user.
[12:27] <Hukka> But no actual audio playback
[12:27] <KyleS-work> Hukka, have you tried checking all the pcm settings in volume control?
[12:27] <KyleS-work> preferably "fron"
[12:27] <KyleS-work> front**
[12:28] <KyleS-work> I've had that issue before
[12:28] <skiwithpete> yeah, suddenly stuff is working better
[12:28] <KyleS-work> skiwithpete, seems like it was your dns then
[12:28] <Hukka> Hm, adding myself to audio group helped with alsamixer. But how did it work before...
[12:28] <KyleS-work> We've been having horrid DNS issues at work too.  Installing Plesk is a b**** with crappy DNS
[12:29] <Hukka> KyleS-work: In alsamixer, yes. But gnome-volume-manager doesn't show anything
[12:29] <Hukka> And it should, and it did
[12:29] <KyleS-work> Hmmm.
[12:29] <wirechief> hmm lsof  /dev/dsp* /dev/audio* /dev/mixer* /dev/snd/*  that will show what is being used
[12:29] <Hukka> After all, alsamixer doesn't manage pulseaudio
[12:32] <wgrant> Hukka: It does, actually.
[12:32] <wgrant> Sort of.
[12:33] <Hukka> wgrant: Really? Because I've also always (with Karmic) had the problem that no matter what alsamixer settings I had, if sound was muted in gnome-volume-control, there was no sound
[12:33] <Hukka> So it seemed like a lower level setting
[12:33] <Sagaci> i think that the wallpaper for 9.10 is a tad bright on the upper right side
[12:33] <wgrant> Hukka: It is rather convoluted.
[12:34] <KyleS-work> Sagaci, I'm with you.  I'm not a fan of the background.  I absolutely love the color scheme of the windows though
[12:34] <Hukka> But anyway, now I manage to get beeps, but nothing else
[12:35] <Sagaci> KyleS-work: i think they would have been spot on if they just smeared into a paler orange but not the bright gold
[12:35] <St0n3-C0l> Anyone tried out Ubuntu 9.10 RC yet on Intel Video?
[12:35] <KyleS-work> Sagaci, yeah.  I usually use a very bland background anyway.
[12:35] <wgrant> St0n3-C0l: Yes. Lots of people.
[12:35] <wgrant> St0n3-C0l: For most people it works very well.
[12:36] <KyleS-work> One of the gname defaults haha.  The blue one.
[12:36] <wgrant> There is the occasional case where it does not.
[12:36] <KyleS-work> such as my case wgrant :(
[12:36] <St0n3-C0l> wgrant: How's the response? I couldn't get the Live CD of Kubuntu 9.10 beta past the login screen, it freezed :(
[12:36] <Sagaci> KyleS-work: i know i can change it and others can too but it's just a bit annoying, you can feel it in your right eye
[12:36] <wgrant> St0n3-C0l: Which chipset?
[12:36] <St0n3-C0l> Not even login screen LOL sorry, the bootup.
[12:36] <St0n3-C0l> D845
[12:36] <St0n3-C0l> i use i810
[12:36] <wgrant> Ah.
[12:36] <wgrant> i8xx support has likely regressed somewhat.
[12:37] <wgrant> As Intel doesn't seem to want to support them any more.
[12:37] <BUGabundo> again??
[12:37] <BUGabundo> :(
[12:37] <St0n3-C0l> This is really nuts!
[12:37] <wgrant> Only i8xx; >= i915 should be better than ever.
[12:38] <St0n3-C0l> Windows 7 I am sure would support it well.
[12:38] <KyleS-work> Windows 7 has very highly paid admins who don't volunteer their time :)
[12:38] <wgrant> Saying that here will make you no friends.
[12:38] <St0n3-C0l> Well, actually my friend I love Linux
[12:38] <St0n3-C0l> using it for 7-8 years
[12:39] <KyleS-work> I won't lie though, I really like Windows 7 myself.  I just can't use it for every day use
[12:39] <St0n3-C0l> but what is making me crazy is the attitude :( I know they're highly paid but what for those who've got old PCs and using Linux?
[12:39] <St0n3-C0l> I've got a 1GB Ram with 1.8ghz processor, I can very well run any new distro but what stops is the video performance
[12:39] <wgrant> St0n3-C0l: file a bug. It will likely be fixed.
[12:40] <wgrant> Very few people are still running i8xx chips. They do not get much testing.
[12:40] <wgrant> And Intel does not really care about them any more, so it is up to the community to keep things working.
[12:40] <Sagaci> I don't mind windows 7 but i'm not paying $400 for it
[12:40] <St0n3-C0l> Yeah I can see why Intel won't support it :)
[12:40] <KyleS-work> Microsoft is giving me a free copy :D
[12:40] <St0n3-C0l> Especially when the markets are down.
[12:40] <KyleS-work> All I have to do is sit for a 2 hr conference
[12:40] <St0n3-C0l> LOL
[12:40] <St0n3-C0l> =))
[12:41] <St0n3-C0l> If you get one, pass me on :P
[12:41] <KyleS-work> haha
[12:41] <St0n3-C0l> I am yet to test Windows 7
[12:41] <Sagaci> people will still buy windows 7 via OEM
[12:41] <KyleS-work> I like 7
[12:41] <KyleS-work> I liked vista too though...but I liked vista for DX10
[12:41]  * BUGabundo listens to more W7 lines then linux on this # :(
[12:41] <St0n3-C0l> It is Microsoft's Make or Break chance but Linux has gained a lot of users with Vista disaster ;)
[12:42] <KyleS-work> Vista wasn't as bad as they say.  It was released early without manufacturer support
[12:42] <sobersabre> hi. I'm a bit confused with pulse audio.
[12:42] <St0n3-C0l> It was the jump that caused outrage
[12:42] <KyleS-work> I'll still use Linux as my main OS though.  I just can't like Windows multimedia
[12:42] <St0n3-C0l> I really want to
[12:42] <sobersabre> I like oss drivers, and i installed them by a habbit, but now the sound doesn't play properly.
[12:42] <KyleS-work> Mplayer is just too grand for me
[12:42] <St0n3-C0l> shift to Linux
[12:42] <St0n3-C0l> for my work as well. I want to try it out how it goes
[12:42] <St0n3-C0l> but
[12:43] <sobersabre> is there a way to configure PA with oss ?
[12:43] <Dr_Willis> mplayer grand? heh
[12:43] <KyleS-work> I loves me some Mplayer
[12:43] <Sagaci> still, i much prefer the ubuntu debian linux gnu than the windows lifestyle
[12:43] <St0n3-C0l> Unless the video performance improves, I don't have any option but to stick with XP which I love :)
[12:43] <KyleS-work> We're about to move all of our workstations at work to Ubuntu
[12:43] <Dr_Willis> sobersabre:  OSS is handled by alsa compatabilty layers now I think.
[12:43] <KyleS-work> that's where I was different :) I hated, and still hate, XP
[12:43] <Dr_Willis> ages ago there was OSS  then alsa came in.. and now pulse is on top of alsa. (I think i git that order right)
[12:44] <St0n3-C0l> As long as it gets my work done, I am happy! :P I am sure the time will come for XP as well when software companies take the support out of XP as well.
[12:44] <Dr_Willis> older apps that use OSS actually use some OSS compatabilty features of alsa.
[12:45] <St0n3-C0l> Was thinking of Debian Testing but they also moved to newer xorg LOL
[12:45] <Sagaci> lol, will windows 8 have XP mode?
[12:46] <mac> windows will suck
[12:46] <mac> at all
[12:46] <St0n3-C0l> You use mac? :P
[12:46] <mac> yes
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> C64's rule
[12:46] <St0n3-C0l> Then I can really understand it :p
[12:47] <mac> what?
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> wow the fsck messages in 9.10 are a little... annoying
[12:48] <St0n3-C0l> I don't want to move to Hardy as well.
[12:48] <mac> DR_Willis:9.10 what?
[12:48] <St0n3-C0l> It has another issues with it :)
[12:49] <St0n3-C0l> But perhaps not a bad idea! I can try that out.
[12:50] <St0n3-C0l> Only will have to manually compile codecs which I've done that before as well, was pain!
[12:53] <Hukka> wgrant, KyleS-work: logging into gnome fixed the sound...
[12:53] <St0n3-C0l> Ok guys, anyone uses Hamster here?
[12:53] <JDahl> I am trying to write a DVD image (in .TOC format) to a DVD. When I double-click the .TOC file, and "Image Burning Dialog" pops up, but there's an error "Please replace the disc with a supported DVD. It is not possible to write with the current set of plugins".  What plugins do I need?
[12:53] <Hukka> And the output is now visible in gnome-volume-control
[12:53] <SunlessHalo> please, how shall i reenable sound if just dropped out, claimed to use PulseAudio instead of Intel HDA, but no sound is gotten?
[12:53] <Hukka> So there is something related to audio, that isn't right just by booting the computer, you need gnome...
[12:55] <wgrant> Hukka: PulseAudio will only start once you log into your desktop.
[12:56] <Hukka> wgrant: It seemed to work fine before, I always use ion3 as my wm
[13:02] <semafor> anyone else having problems exiting tsclient fullscreen in karmic?
[13:02] <Hukka> wgrant: Oh yeah, and isn't there supposed to be a bootup sound when gdm finishes loading?
[13:02] <Hukka> wgrant: How can that happen, if sound is supposed to come on only after desktop loads
[13:03] <Hukka> I mean that quick "dupudup"-sound
[13:03] <onats> what are the contents of /root again? are all of my settings going to disappear?
[13:03] <onats> i have /home in a separate partition
[13:04] <onats> and /var
[13:04] <Hukka> onats: /root is root's home
[13:05] <onats> yeah, but what kinds of files will i lose?
[13:06] <onats> applications?
[13:07]  * Dr_Willis is confused
[13:07] <Dr_Willis> theres really not much stored in /root/
[13:07] <Dr_Willis>  /home is all the users settings/data
[13:07] <Dr_Willis> worrying about 'applications' is windows thinking. :)
[13:07] <Dr_Willis> You can have the system make a list of whats installed.. then reinstall everything from that list if you wanted to
[13:08] <onats> ok, but then i'd have to reinstall everything right?
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> you basically ARE reinstalling everything anyway
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> everthing is getting upgraded.. if you have custome configs for a lot of things.. those may be wroth backing up
[13:08] <onats> Dr_Willis, the problem is, i lost my installation already, by trying to upgrade to 9.10
[13:08] <onats> gah
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> I never 'upgrade'  from one release to the next. I just do clean reinstalls
[13:09] <Dr_Willis> saves me hassles.
[13:09] <wgrant> Upgrading is fine.
[13:09] <Dr_Willis> its fine whenb it works :)
[13:09] <wgrant> And will make little to no difference if you are preserving /home anyway.
[13:09] <onats> ok, is the  9.10 beta safe now?
[13:10] <Dr_Willis> I have had some issues ages ago with gnome/kde having issues with the users older kde/gnome settings.. but ive not noticed that problem in the last year or so.
[13:10] <XVampireX> onats, yes
[13:10] <wgrant> onats: It's RC now, so it should be.
[13:10] <onats> and, can i retain /home to ext3, but root is ext4?
[13:10] <Dr_Willis> its a 'rc' now  - not a beta
[13:10] <Dr_Willis> :)
[13:10] <onats> shoot, now my download restarted
[13:10] <onats> gah
[13:10] <SunlessHalo> Dr_Willis: will you help me with my audio please?
[13:10] <Hukka> onats: Btw, "root filesystem" is  not /root
[13:11] <onats> Hukka, I meant "/"
[13:11] <Hukka> onats: Well, that isn't root's home, then
[13:12] <Dr_Willis> SunlessHalo:  ive rarely had any issues with audio.
[13:13] <SunlessHalo> i have them frequently :\
[13:13] <SunlessHalo> just it falls back to pulseaudio and no sound is gotten
[13:14] <Dr_Willis> ive rarely had any issues with Pulse audio either.
[13:15] <Dr_Willis> Been  learning to route pulse audio to the other pc's so i can  watchon one pc and listen on the one with the big speakers. :)
[13:15] <Dr_Willis> Got HuluDesktop for linux working also.. but it has some issues. :()
[13:26] <natschil> does anyone know, off the top of their heads, whether nautilus in gnome will be able to paint a transparent background to allow the compiz wallpaper plugin to work properly?
[13:26] <natschil> (in karmic)
[13:26] <Dr_Willis> I thought to get the compiz plugin going - you had to prevent gnome from drawing the desktop
[13:27] <Dr_Willis> #compiz may know more.
[13:27] <natschil> Dr_Willis: yes, you had to do that in previous versions of gnome, as nautilus wasn't able to draw a transparent background image...I was wondering whether gnome can do it in karmic.
[13:27]  * natschil asks there
[13:27] <Dr_Willis> ive never seen a way to draw a transparent background image.
[13:28] <natschil> Dr_Willis: plasma was able to do it before kde 4.3, which broke everything
[13:29] <natschil> actually #nautilus or #gnome might know more
[13:31] <Dr_Willis> Im not even sure what you gain by the compiz 'wallpaper' plugin
[13:31] <Dr_Willis> but i just use nice blue backgrounds. :)
[13:32] <natschil> Dr_Willis: with the compiz 'wallpaper plugin' you can have *different* blue backgrounds on each viewport :)
[13:33] <Dr_Willis> wow.. :)
[13:33]  * natschil gets reminded of windows when he sees blue backgrounds though
[13:33] <Dr_Willis> let me do double back flips over to get that!
[13:33] <Dr_Willis> heh.
[13:33] <xevil> have there been many issues with 9.10 Brta upgrade?
[13:33] <Dr_Willis> I set my grub, and xsplash, and gdm, and user logins to be the same basic wallpapers
[13:33] <xevil> Beta even
[13:34] <Dr_Willis> Theres a few people in here every day with Upgrade issues...
[13:34] <Dr_Willis> but not a lot.
[13:35] <natschil> Dr_Willis: it isn't that hard to get it to work, I hear... the x server has supported some sort of rgba for ages, and there are patches that exist to let this work http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2172/1903405791_2ec0c32000_b.jpg is a (green) example
[13:35] <natschil> of this functionality
[13:36] <Dr_Willis> i got 2 monoitors.. so i rarely even use the multi desktops any more.
[13:36] <Dr_Willis> used them back when i jad just the 1. :) but not so much now
[13:36] <Dr_Willis> of course I tend to always fullscreen the apps i am running.. so i never see the wallpaper either
[13:37] <natschil> Dr_Willis: I just get attracted to the coolness of having a compositor with the cube effect *and* multiple wallpapers.
[13:38] <Dr_Willis> i find the cube about as usefull as the Sham-wow and Titan Peeler. :)
[13:38] <onats> one more question guys,
[13:38]  * Dr_Willis is watching late night infomercials...
[13:38] <onats> i mistakenly created 4 primary partitions.. /, /var,/home, and swap... how do i convert some of them to logical?
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> You have to make an extended that holds a logical.
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> you need more partitions then 4?
[13:39] <onats> dr willis, without losing my data?
[13:39] <onats> im planning to put another OS on my free 250GB
[13:39] <onats> osx
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> swap would be easiest to delete/convert. but resizeing  may be the issue
[13:40] <Dr_Willis> You could resize them now.. then find one to delete/remake as logical/extended
[13:40] <onats> well ill only be able to do that once i finish downloading 9.10, and install it...:(
[13:40] <Dr_Willis> Ive not seen any wasy way for example to move /home (primary) to a /home (extended(logical))
[13:40] <onats> how about /var?
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> Gparted from live cd. can do all sorts of things...  but i would suggest backing things up
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> I dont even bother with a /var/ partition any more
[13:41] <onats> var contains DB storage right?
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> move all of /var onto your / and  use the var space for a new partition. but then ya will have (primary)(extended +1 or more lgicals) (primary) (primary)  for the layout
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> thats a little.. odd.
[13:42] <onats> whats a good partitioning strategy?
[13:42] <Dr_Willis> I forget whats in /var/
[13:42] <cbx33> whats the right way to change hostname in karmic?
[13:43] <onats> cbx33, you're on karmic already? what's the most significant diff from 9.04?
[13:43] <guntbert> !hostname | cbx33
[13:45] <cbx33> ty
[13:45] <cbx33> yeh I'm on Karmic
[13:45] <cbx33> very well done to the team
[13:46] <cbx33> that needs to be updated.....the gui no longer exists by default
[13:47] <giles_> hello I installed gnash, and managed to get it recognised by epiphany.
[13:48] <giles_> its version 0.8.6, and should play Youtube videos, but I just get a grey window.
[13:53] <richardcavell> Anyone here using a Mac?
[13:54] <fcuk112> anyone got x-fi working with karmic?
[13:55] <Dr_Willis> Ive heard of it working.. but thats all i know on the topic fcuk112
[13:56] <fcuk112> mine is detected but i still get no sound.  i've tried alsamixer -c0 but no joy.
[13:56] <tgpraveen> !info rhythmbox
[13:56] <Dr_Willis> I would have to say check the forums. I only recall seeing a few peopl ein here even mtnion the x-fi cards
[13:57] <coz_> hey guys...has anyone reported that mouse over audio preview has been broken with last updates?
[13:57] <Dr_Willis> I normally get creative cards for my machines. but with the x-fi disaster for linux they did.. ive not even looked at them recently.
[13:57] <Dr_Willis> coz_:  its working here.
[13:57] <Dr_Willis> for my .mp3
[13:58] <coz_> Dr_Willis,  just noticed that the last big update  it is broken here :(
[13:58] <Dr_Willis> one of those features that supises new users.
[13:58] <Dr_Willis> Hmm let me update and see
[13:58] <Dr_Willis> 44 updates installing
[13:59] <ltspadmin> my thin clients are getting hanged after loading the nbi.img
[13:59] <ltspadmin> what could be the problem..??
[13:59] <coz_> Dr_Willis,  just also noticed when opening  /system/preferences/sound   I get a dialot   "Waiting for sound system to respond"   sound works   though
[13:59] <coz_> dialog rather
[14:00] <alinux> hi trying to update some software on karmic, however I am getting W: GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com karmic Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and I did do  sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 437D05B5 but I am still getting the error
[14:02] <rysiek|pl> hi guys
[14:03] <rysiek|pl> I have just updated my karmic-based laptop and now the NetworkManager applet in KDE doesn't work as far as connecting to a wireless network is concerned
[14:03] <rysiek|pl> any info on that? anybody knows anything?
[14:03] <rysiek|pl> it worked AOK an hour ago
[14:04] <MidMark2> hello
[14:04] <Dr_Willis> 44 updates.. and it wants a reboot..
[14:04] <coz_> Dr_Willis,   I got it workin  with   /etc/init.d/alsa-utils  restart
[14:04] <Dr_Willis> kernel updates   a week or so befor release.. scary :)
[14:04] <Dr_Willis> coz_:  A++ :)
[14:05] <MidMark2> I have issues with karmic nvidia drivers, I have an nvidia quadro nvs 140m
[14:05] <MidMark2> xorg fails to load with error: Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module!
[14:06] <coz_> MidMark2,  did you just install the driver?
[14:06] <MidMark2> of course, with jockey
[14:06] <coz_> MidMark2,  ok and did  you completely reboot the system
[14:06] <MidMark2> of course
[14:06] <Dr_Willis> did you do backflips as it rebooted?
[14:06] <Dr_Willis> :P
[14:06] <coz_> MidMark2,  ok :) just checking    and the driver version?
[14:06] <Dr_Willis> You did see that in the EULA?
[14:07] <MidMark2> I can paste both jockey log and xorg, I tried both 173.14.20 and 185.18.36
[14:07] <MidMark2> both they fail :(
[14:07] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. I dident see any updates to X or nvidia in the laste updates i did
[14:08] <Dr_Willis> nvidia 8800gtsXXX video card here
[14:08] <Dr_Willis> let me reboot this box and see if theres any issues.
[14:09] <kosmic> break my system?
[14:09] <kosmic> i hope you dont mean break the hardware
[14:10] <jim_from_pa> on the beta, noticed that gdm themes no longer work, why?
[14:10] <MidMark2> jockey log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/300553/
[14:10] <MidMark2> xorg log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/300554/
[14:10] <MidMark2> any help?
[14:11] <tgpraveen> !info NetworkManager
[14:11] <tgpraveen> !info nm
[14:12] <tgpraveen> !info nm-applet
[14:12] <joaopinto> hello
[14:12] <frybye> tgpraveen: HASBEEN REPLACED - WITH . CAN`T REMEMBER NAME..
[14:13] <joaopinto> connect(3, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path=@"/org/bluez/audio"}, 110) = -1 ECONNREFUSED (Connection refused)
[14:13] <joaopinto> any idea why alsa would try to connect to a bt device wheren there is no bt hw ?
[14:13] <frybye> sorry re: upper case..
[14:13] <tgpraveen> !info network-manager
[14:14] <tgpraveen> yay!
[14:15] <MidMark2> grr, no ideas?
[14:30] <temporarytao> hello, i'm one of those experiencing problems with usb devices not getting detected. can anyone point me to a workable solution/workaround please?
[14:30] <Dr_Willis> usb devices as in flash-media? or other type devices?
[14:31] <alinux> hi trying to update some software on karmic, however I am getting W: GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com karmic Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and I did do  sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 437D05B5 but I am still getting the error
[14:32] <shadeslayer> !gpgerr
[14:33] <shadeslayer> alinux: ^^
[14:33] <temporarytao> Dr_Willis, usb devices connected to usb ports are not detected. anything from usb thumb drives to usb mice
[14:34] <Dr_Willis> temporarytao:  Hmm..  thats odd.
[14:36] <temporarytao> Dr_Willis, yeah. been having this problem for a week now. there's a bug report on it at launchpad but its still triaged (#455408). someone said to downgrade usbutils. i'm not really sure if its the one that should be touched
[14:37] <temporarytao> i'm thinking: what about the thing that replaced hal? maybe it has something to do with that.
[14:37] <alinux> shadeslayer, did as advised..still getting gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 437D05B5 && gpg --export --armor 437D05B5 | sudo apt-key add -
[14:37] <temporarytao> why i think this is because the loss of USB detection also came with the loss of the sleep function
[14:38] <shadeslayer> alinux: gnome or KDE ?
[14:38] <alinux> shadeslayer, KDE
[14:45] <zorael> Can someone with updated KDE packages try forcing their screen to dpms? 'xset dpms force off; sleep 5; xset dpms force on'. Mine just turns turns back on instantly and displays the brightness OSD
[14:46] <fausto> Hi guys, I installed karmic rc yesterday and found a serious bug, it won't boot without manually disabling usplash on the boot options. I wen't to report the bug but it was already reported (I added a few more comments and change the status to confirmed). But looks like that bug is lost in the noise of the bug tracker, there is anything I can do to call attention to it?
[14:47] <Dink> Hello, Whenever I start up karmic I lose all access to other tty's. When I CTRL-ALT-F1 etc I get a screen with funky colors and no access to term, is this is a known bug? I know people been having problems with usplash/gdm could it be related?
[14:48] <joaopinto> Dink, it's probably related to usplash, try booting without it
[14:48] <Dink> remove splash from kernel line ?
[14:49] <joaopinto> yes
[14:49] <Dink> ok will give it a shot
[14:49] <Caldavien> other than not officially released yet and "might break my system" any reason i shouldnt back up and install the rc yet?
[14:50] <joaopinto> Caldavien, no :)
[14:50] <Caldavien> and will i need to do a reinstall once final release comes out?
[14:50] <joaopinto> !final
[14:51] <Dr_Willis> 3We need to put that in the topic.. :)
[14:52] <Caldavien> ahh, but once its released will it change the about info to read final instead of rc so i can feel all warm and fuzzy about it?
[14:54] <gilos123> I need help getting my grub to be the bootloader again instead of win7 that I installed to a separate partition after installing 9.10 (on  a new drive)
[14:55] <gilos123> I tried this, but unsuccessful:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[15:01] <justin_> I just upgraded to Karmic, but clicked "Keep" instead of "Remove" for unsupported packages.. how can I remove all of those now??
[15:06] <peol> Anyone else experiencing their F1-F12 not working as expected? It just started happening after a huge update I pulled in last night. Not sure what to search on, "function keys" doesn't give me any relevant hits
[15:06] <peol> xev registers the key presses (as Help, Undo, Redo etc.) but they don't work either in desktop, apps or games
[15:08] <calm> hi guys.. i'm trying to force a 120hz refresh rate for my monitor when i launch a game in 640x480.. anyone know how do this?
[15:14] <i_is_broke> why is it, that one of the main programs for gnome is broken? you would think this close to a release date that they would have something like that fixed.?
[15:14] <calm> anyone ?
[15:15] <i_is_broke> calm, have you checked to see if that the monitor can even support them settings?
[15:15] <i_is_broke> and there is no way to change it xorg?
[15:15] <calm> yes i have checked
[15:16] <calm> i can get 120hz in 640x480 only
[15:16] <calm> i need it to switch to that when the resolution changes
[15:17] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[15:17] <i_is_broke> well i would google and see if there was a way to set it in a xorg config. would probably be my guess but someone else might have a better solution.
[15:17] <x-Na> i_is_broke, what is that "main program" your referring to?
[15:17] <i_is_broke> hi BluesKaj
[15:18] <i_is_broke> x-Na, ubuntu-desktop-environment
[15:18] <waylandbill> hello. is it possible to get broadcom 4312 going for a hdd installation?
[15:20] <i_is_broke> x-Na, i have kubuntu installed but i like some of the programs that gnome has, and usually install it as well, but with that package broken, it wont install all of it.
[15:20] <BluesKaj> waylandbill, pls explain ?
[15:20] <Heikki123> waylandbill: i have broadcom 4311
[15:21] <SunlessHalo> yo, I have a freshly installed Karmic amd64 on centrino1duo asus laptop... video drivers are on defaults, Kwin and Mplayer work fine, but OGL applications such as Tuxracer flicker badly... shall i change something or install catalysts?
[15:22] <waylandbill> it detects the card to use broadcom STA driver during live-cd session, but not when installed to hdd.
[15:22] <Heikki123> waylandbill: install bc43-fwcutter from synaptics
[15:22] <shadeslayer> is it possible to retrieve deleted files?
[15:22] <shadeslayer> via rm -rf ?
[15:23] <op65> just updated to 9.10 :)
[15:23] <BluesKaj> SunlessHalo, what graphics card ?
[15:23] <op65> nice boot splash
[15:24] <SunlessHalo> BluesKaj: integrated ATI Radeon Mobility X1450
[15:24] <SunlessHalo> from among the shitty old ones :\
[15:26] <op65> !ati
[15:28] <BluesKaj> SunlessHalo, install xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd
[15:28] <SunlessHalo> are you sure it will get better, BluesKaj?
[15:29] <op65> hmm, trying to install the driver for my ati card and its not accepting root authentication?
[15:29] <Heikki123> waylandbill: did you get it working? :)
[15:30] <Volkodav> grub2!
[15:30] <BluesKaj> SunlessHalo, it's the recommended driver for your card.
[15:30] <Heikki123> op65: are you trying to use command su?
[15:31] <waylandbill> Heikki123: I got b43-fwcutter installed from CD. copying the firmware file it needs. only have wireless on that system.
[15:31] <Heikki123> waylandbill: ok
[15:31] <op65> no, just using the hardware drivers in sysyem/admin
[15:31] <BluesKaj> BRB , gott areboot after all the updates
[15:31] <op65> system even
[15:31] <SunlessHalo> BluesKaj: how do I detect which driver & on what functionality level is being used now?
[15:31] <Heikki123> op65: and you gave your own password or something else (like a root password?)
[15:32] <op65> yeah, not accepting it?
[15:32] <Heikki123> ?
[15:32] <Heikki123> which one
[15:32] <op65> will try again
[15:32] <Heikki123> you use the same password that you use to login
[15:33] <op65> tells me there is a fglrx driver, when I activate it asks for my root password and it rejects it
[15:33] <op65> yes, same pw
[15:34] <Heikki123> the password is not called root password ;) by default ubuntu does not have a root password set, but anyhow...
[15:34] <Heikki123> op65: is it asking a password when you log in to ubuntu?
[15:34] <op65> well a password to do the root stuff as allwed :)
[15:34] <op65> no, straight in
[15:35] <Heikki123> you have probably forgotten the password then... but there is a way to get it back
[15:35] <Heikki123> or to set a new one
[15:35] <op65> nah, not forgotten :)
[15:35] <Heikki123> ok
[15:35] <op65> need the old one to reset that I guess :)
[15:35] <waylandbill> Heikki123: I got an unsupported phy error
[15:35] <op65> will try tho
[15:36] <Heikki123> waylandbill: i have never installed the driver manually
[15:36] <op65> nah, looks like the old password has got messed up?
[15:36] <Heikki123> so you can't plug a cable to the computer or something?
[15:36] <op65> will try caps or something
[15:36] <Heikki123> ok
[15:37] <eurythmia> has anyone else had any issues with mv freezing and "kill -9 <pid>" won't kill it?
[15:37] <waylandbill> Heikki123: the driver installed but doesn't look like it supports the card. I know on 9.04 it used sta, not b43
[15:37] <Heikki123> oh, ok
[15:38] <eurythmia> seems to me that if it's a bug, it's pretty deep down in the process manager, considering the POSIX specification states that SIGKILL cannot be ignored except by the init process.
[15:38] <op65> nope, its messed up, no bother, will do a clean install when 9.10 is released, might be bug tho?
[15:38] <waylandbill> odd that the live-cd knows to use that driver, but installation doesn't detect it. maybe does not install kernel module. dunno
[15:39] <Heikki123> it just says in the info that "It's written for BCM43xx driver files"
[15:39] <op65> update went tickerty boo, no problems
[15:39] <Heikki123> op65: wait
[15:39] <op65> kk
[15:39] <Heikki123> you do not need to do a clean install again
[15:40] <op65> azerty
[15:40] <op65> keyboard is ok
[15:40] <Heikki123> you can 1: start up with the livecd, 2: sudo su, 3: mount the root partition somewhere, chroot to it, passwd op64 (or whatever is your username)
[15:40] <waylandbill> installing bcmwl-kernel-source seems promising
[15:41] <op65> will try a reboot, never know
[15:41] <Heikki123> i don't think a reboot will do it ;)
[15:45] <waylandbill> and it worked. yeah!
[15:47] <op65> looks like password for sudo has got messed up somehow in the update?
[15:47] <op65> passwords for users are fine
[15:48] <op65> would have it been reset to a default during the update,
[15:49] <op65> np anyway, its not a production machine
[15:49] <op65> luckerly :)
[15:53] <op65> thanks all
[15:58] <soreau> Two worst problems I have with Karmic so far: No volume control for gnome-panel (?) and No icons only in the System menu list
[15:58] <soreau> Otherwise, things are working great! :)
[15:58] <penguin42> soreau: The icons are switchable
[15:58] <tgpraveen> soreau: the second one is a new feature
[15:58] <thiebaude> soreau, you can add icons
[15:58] <tgpraveen> to change go in appearance menu
[15:58] <thiebaude> yep
[15:58] <kelli> hi all
[15:59] <penguin42> system->preferences->appearance->interface->show icons in menu
[15:59] <penguin42> soreau: And I think the volume should be gnome-volume-control-applet
[16:00] <robin0800> penguin42: why these are not turned on by default?
[16:00] <tgpraveen> try to go in add applet and add
[16:00] <kelli> trying to work out how to print the play list from a music disc as the songs appear
[16:00] <penguin42> robin0800: Apparently it was a decision gnome made - I agree it's odd, so do many others
[16:01] <thiebaude> or drag and drop the sound from the menu to the panel
[16:01] <kelli> can any one help
[16:01] <thiebaude> fro the system menu
[16:03] <soreau> penguin42: thiebaude: Thanks, got my icons back
[16:04] <soreau> penguin42: But I can't seem to locate the volume-applet package (or anything named similar to that)
[16:04] <thiebaude> soreau, np,thanks also to penguin42
[16:04] <chathuraw> Hello. I installed Ubuntu Karmic RC. Later I installed windows. How can I recover the grub. The traditional method I used with grub 1.5 doesn't seem to work
[16:05] <thiebaude> soreau, did you try to drag and drop that sound item from the menu to the panel?
[16:06] <soreau> thiebaude: What sound item? I went to 'Add items to panel' from right click after noticing there is no volume control and can't seem to locate it there
[16:06] <thiebaude> soreau, system-preferences-sound
[16:07] <robin0800> soreau: if its there you can't remove it so i guess you can't add it either
[16:07] <soreau> thiebaude: Ok, what do I do there? (sound is working fine btw)
[16:07] <om26er> can i install two ubuntus on the same partition
[16:07] <thiebaude> soreau, right click on sound and drag it to the top panel
[16:08] <thiebaude> left click
[16:08]  * soreau only has a bottom panel :)
[16:08] <joaopinto> om26er, if you mean different versions, no, unless one of them is virtualized
[16:08] <robin0800> soreau: do you have a notification area?
[16:09] <om26er> joaopinto: 9.10-desktop and 9.10-moblin-remix
[16:09] <SunlessHalo> how can i inquire which video driver is in use and at what functionality level?
[16:09] <soreau> robin0800: hmm.. maybe I don't
[16:09] <thiebaude> soreau, add notifications
[16:09] <robin0800> soreau: add that then
[16:09] <soreau> Bingo
[16:10] <Polterge|st> does anyone know if ubuntu will be getting the kFreeBSD kernel any time soon ?
[16:10] <Polterge|st> I was just wondering because Squeeze is getting it and ubuntu is based upon debian
[16:10] <SunlessHalo> please
[16:10] <Polterge|st> and the package is in the repos so ...
[16:10] <soreau> Thanks robin0800 thiebaude ! :D
[16:11] <thiebaude> soreau, great
[16:11] <chathuraw> No one has an answer to my question? :(
[16:11] <Polterge|st> some questions are very elusive chathuraw
[16:11] <Polterge|st> heh
[16:12] <chathuraw> :D
[16:12] <chathuraw> Anyone have an idea to recover grub 2 after installing windows?
[16:12] <thiebaude> !grub
[16:12] <robin0800> chathuraw: some are easier
[16:12] <Polterge|st> I think there is a way you can do it from windows
[16:12] <soreau> chathuraw: Assuming you're using grub2? We could guess here all day or you could provide more details by being more specific in asking your question
[16:12] <Polterge|st> or ...
[16:12] <Polterge|st> you can do it from the live dvd
[16:12] <om26er> what does mean install side by side during installation??
[16:13] <Polterge|st> try using the live dvd
[16:13] <robin0800> !grub2
[16:13] <Polterge|st> find out where the partition is where you installed linux
[16:13] <Polterge|st> and then boot into the live dvd
[16:13] <thiebaude> om26er, install ubuntu next to windows
[16:13] <chathuraw> soreau: Recovering grub after installing windows :) The usual method isn't working
[16:13] <thiebaude> om26er, but on different partitions
[16:13] <Polterge|st> once in the live dvd try opening a terminal and type "fdisk -l"
[16:13] <Polterge|st> it will list your partition table
[16:13] <om26er> thiebaude: can i install ubuntu and ubuntu on the same partition
[16:13] <chathuraw> Poltergeist: Live CD asks for a username and password :|
[16:13] <Polterge|st> you can use that to maybe find where linux is installed
[16:13] <Polterge|st> chathuraw, just hit enter
[16:13] <chathuraw> ubottu: I'll check
[16:13] <Polterge|st> you don't have to use a user and pass
[16:14] <Polterge|st> and in order to use the terminal some commands will require sudo
[16:14] <soreau> chathuraw: That still doesn't tell which version of grub you;re using
[16:14] <thiebaude> om26er, whats the purpose of doing that?
[16:14] <drs305> om26er: It means it will install Ubuntu and keep Windows. They will be side by side.
[16:14] <chathuraw> Didn't work .. authentication faliure
[16:14] <Polterge|st> he is using .97 probably
[16:14] <Polterge|st> chathuraw, hit enter on user
[16:14] <Polterge|st> and on pass
[16:14] <chathuraw> soreau: The version that comess with Karmic RC
[16:14] <Polterge|st> for each hit enter
[16:14] <om26er> thiebaude: ubuntu9.10-desktop and ubuntu moblin remix
[16:14]  * soreau upgraded and is still using grub1
[16:14] <yermandu> i was using grub097 then in karmic install i update
[16:15] <thiebaude> om26er, i dont know, i never did a triple boot
[16:15] <yermandu> but can not bot another distros :/
[16:15] <Polterge|st> karmic comes with grub 2
[16:15] <om26er> can i install grub1 on karmic
[16:15] <thiebaude> i have done many dual boots
[16:15] <robin0800> chathuraw: see grub 2 info above
[16:15] <Polterge|st> although previous grub was .97
[16:15] <thiebaude> !grub2
[16:15] <Polterge|st> it gives you an option to do a chainloader upgrade of grub
[16:16] <thiebaude> om26er, maybe that helps
[16:16] <om26er> can i downgrade grub??
[16:16] <Polterge|st> yes
[16:16] <Polterge|st> I did that to my other machine
[16:16] <Polterge|st> if it doesn't boot just use the live dvd
[16:16] <chathuraw> ok. got the required info on the grub wiki
[16:16] <chathuraw> thanks guys
[16:16] <Polterge|st> mount the partition from the live dvd and fint your /boot folder
[16:16] <Polterge|st> find*
[16:17] <Polterge|st> and then use the grub on it to boot your partition
[16:17] <soreau> It's about time
[16:17] <yermandu> wow i will read
[16:17] <Polterge|st> once you are in you should reinstall the old grub from repos
[16:17] <chathuraw> soreau: :P
[16:17] <Polterge|st> and then remove the new grub
[16:17] <Polterge|st> apt-get remove
[16:17] <soreau> ok, time for me to go ;)
[16:17] <drs305> om26er: I don't recommend it, but here are instructions for "downgrading" grub   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Uninstalling%20GRUB%202
[16:17] <soreau> Thanks for all your help guys
[16:18] <Polterge|st> and make sure you do not forget to reinstall grub
[16:18] <Polterge|st> that howto shows you everything
[16:18] <yermandu> but in have problens try in isntall mount /boot (no format) in install
[16:18] <Polterge|st> I used it awhile back
 : Yeah should try that
[16:18] <om26er> when is the final release of grub2 coming
 This is a pain in the a**
[16:18] <Polterge|st> my other system would not boot into my distro with grub 2
[16:18] <Polterge|st> it is kind of a pain
[16:18] <Polterge|st> I know
[16:18] <om26er> probably near lucid lynx
[16:18] <Polterge|st> I really am hoping kFreeBSD will be ready sometimes soon for ubuntu
[16:19] <Polterge|st> I think it will become maybe the greatest distro around if they do that
[16:19] <yermandu> i suggest put lynx in programs to install mode
[16:19] <Polterge|st> also would not hurt to put an option to install from src code on the live dvd
[16:19] <Polterge|st> like an autoscript that detects hardware or tries to
[16:19] <Polterge|st> and then compiles
[16:19] <Polterge|st> for optimized base system stuff
[16:20] <Polterge|st> this way ubuntu beats arch or gentoo at its own game "and" has more apps
[16:20] <Polterge|st> and even would have the kFreeBSD kernel ... making it the most logical distro choice
[16:20] <Polterge|st> it already is but ...
[16:20] <penguin42> Polterge|st: Building from source is a fairly big job, you can rebuild any package you like like that if you really want, and maybe if you really want to do that it might be you just do it for the libraries
[16:21] <Polterge|st> penguin42, yeah I just meant if there was an automated script on the live dvd to compile the kernel from source automatically by hardware detection it would be pretty cool
[16:21] <gilos123> !pastebin
[16:21] <Polterge|st> that and all of the base packages  and apps since most of them have src code anway
[16:22] <gilos123> I'm having the same issue, installed win7 after ubuntu and when i try reinstalling grub I get this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/300646/
[16:23] <Polterge|st> in theory this could be done and it would mean an optimized ubuntu system that would run just as well as a gentoo box or arch box in terms of hardware speed. The main difference being that in ubuntu users would have much better hardware support and a huge support community for applications and a user friendly desktop environment
[16:23] <bazhang> gilos123, was win7 installed first
[16:23] <Polterge|st> it is just an idea anyway
[16:23] <bazhang> whoops
[16:23] <gilos123> nope, did 9.10 first on a new harddrive
[16:23] <Polterge|st> like an option
[16:23] <om26er> is there anything related with including grub2 beta and 10secs boottime in lucid lynx
[16:23] <gilos123> gave it about 100gb and then gave win7 about 100gb
[16:23] <bazhang> gilos123, bad reading skills my apologies
[16:24] <bazhang> gilos123, I had a similar issue when dual boot set up with karmic and win7
[16:24] <om26er> how much video memory will be good for just running karmic
[16:24] <Polterge|st> anyway though I will bbl. I wanted to find out about the kFreeBSD kernel but cannot find out anything anywhere about that regarding ubuntu
[16:24] <Polterge|st> om26er, 128 is good
[16:24] <Polterge|st> you don't need that much but that would be decent for compiz
[16:24] <Pyrometheus> thank god for karmic 9.04 was so slow for me =)
[16:24] <Polterge|st> 64 I think minimal for compiz
[16:25] <om26er> Polterge|st: what about without compiz?
[16:25] <Polterge|st> 32 maybe
[16:25] <Polterge|st> although I would still say if you had 32 mb of video ram you should run something like xfce or openbox
[16:25] <Polterge|st> a lightweight wm
[16:26] <bazhang> gilos123, the workaround I used was to boot from gparted livecd and create partitions for win7 and karmic, then install win7 followed by ubuntu
[16:26] <Polterge|st> om26er, if you can I recommend 256 mb of video ram or more for good performance with compiz
[16:26] <Polterge|st> if you can do that you will have no problems at all
[16:26] <Polterge|st> not with video anyway
[16:26] <bazhang> gilos123, win7 likes to create a separate 100 bootloader partition
[16:26] <om26er> Polterge|st: thanx for the info
[16:26] <bazhang> err 100 mb
[16:27] <Polterge|st> my other machine had ubuntu installed with 512 mb of video ram
[16:28] <thiebaude> Polterge|st, thats how much i have
[16:28] <gilos123> well I'm booted on a live CD right now, I'm thinking about trying the super grub boot cd
[16:28] <bazhang> gilos123, you did this from the grub prompt, correct ?
[16:28] <gilos123> yes
[16:29] <bazhang> odd
[16:29] <om26er> Polterge|st: how can i know my video memory in ubuntu
[16:29]  * om26er is using aspire one
[16:29] <XiXaQ> the last few days, I've been getting complaints about untrusted repositories. I haven't done anything with them. Is this a bug in karmic, or what?
[16:30] <XiXaQ> perhaps I've been hax0red?!
[16:30] <XiXaQ> :)
[16:30] <gilos123> I also tried the other option of doing a mount /media/root and installing it that way as suggested in the !grub but that failed with the same errors
[16:32] <om26er> how can i know my video ram
[16:32]  * om26er is using karmic
[16:32] <shadeslayer> !gpgerr | XiXaQ
[16:32] <bjsnider> go up and strike up a conversation with it
[16:33] <russlar> om26er: what card type? or are you using an integrated?
[16:33] <XiXaQ> shadeslayer, I haven't added any repositories. These are the standard ones.
[16:33] <om26er> russlar: its integrated
[16:33] <shadeslayer> btw how do i find which server is best for me
[16:33] <om26er> russlar: gma950
[16:33] <russlar> om26er: it's sharing ram
[16:33] <XiXaQ> however, after running apt-get update again, the problem seems to have been resolved.
[16:33] <shadeslayer> XiXaQ: then run the same command with key as 437D05B5
[16:33] <russlar> I don't know of a way to see exactly how much it's reserving
[16:34] <bjsnider> bios
[16:34] <XiXaQ> shadeslayer, is this because karmic isn't released yet, or could it happen after release as well?
[16:34] <russlar> right forgot that
[16:34] <russlar> !me $ sudo make coffee
[16:35] <shadeslayer> XiXaQ: no this isnt because karmic isnt released yer
[16:36] <thiebaude> russlar, your too far away,lol
[16:36] <gilos123> om26er: try lshw
[16:37] <Polterge|st> om26er, which video card are you using ?
[16:37] <Polterge|st> is it an onboard intel chipset ?
[16:37] <om26er> Polterge|st: yes onboard gma950
[16:37] <shadeslayer> how do i find the fastest server for me?
[16:37] <Polterge|st> ah
[16:37] <XiXaQ> shadeslayer, then why does it happen? This would confuse and scare a lot of users.
[16:37] <Polterge|st> does it not say when you boot you computer ?
[16:37] <Polterge|st> or is it in a laptop ?
[16:37] <shadeslayer> (kpackagekit doesnt cut it)
[16:37] <russlar> thiebaude: wha?
[16:37] <Polterge|st> I have a similar chipset in my laptop om26er
[16:38] <Polterge|st> mine is like 1.5 gigabyte of shared memory with maybe 8 mb of onboard video ram
[16:38] <Polterge|st> yours is probably similar
[16:38] <om26er> Polterge|st: yes its a netbook
[16:38] <Polterge|st> and compiz and glx should work by default if that is the case
[16:38] <Polterge|st> because they worked beautifully on my laptop
[16:38] <XiXaQ> shadeslayer, <countrycode>archive.ubuntu.com?
[16:39] <shadeslayer> XiXaQ: it might be a small glitch,someone was experiencing the same thing earlier
[16:39] <Polterge|st> om26er, you might experience some window tearing
[16:39] <om26er> Polterge|st: yes the work great and far more better than jaunty
[16:39] <Polterge|st> that is the worst thing I can say about using compiz with the intel-xorg package
[16:39] <Polterge|st> other than that it works great
[16:39] <XiXaQ> shadeslayer, a small glitch? "Your computer can no longer be trusted" (which is how I'd interpret it), is not a small glitch.
[16:40] <kevin123> have a flash glitch, can anyone help? going to paste the error when i open synaptics: "E: The package adobe-flashplugin needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[16:40] <kevin123> E: Internal error opening cache (1). Please report." the package manager then shuts down
[16:40] <shadeslayer> XiXaQ: haha...
[16:40] <shadeslayer> XiXaQ: well idk since i dont maintain the servers
[16:40] <mzz> XiXaQ: I haven't seen that
[16:40] <Polterge|st> I am contemplating installing karmic again on my other machine
[16:40] <Polterge|st> it broke last time trying to do a dist upgrade
[16:40] <Polterge|st> the laptop has sidux and it works great but I am contemplating putting ubuntu studio on my other machine maybe
[16:40] <Polterge|st> I dunno yet
[16:41] <mzz> XiXaQ: I'm guesstimating a mirror-side glitch
[16:41] <Polterge|st> the machine is not a 64 bit system so it would not handle 64 bit I think
[16:41] <XiXaQ> mzz, suddenly, all my repos were unknown. I didn't touch them at all. when I tried to install upgrades, I received that message.. I don't remember it exactly, but you know which one I'm talking about.
[16:41] <XiXaQ> mzz, oh, ok.
[16:41] <mzz> XiXaQ: no, I don't
[16:41] <Polterge|st> the other alternative is to install arch on it but I do like ubuntu alot
[16:42] <mzz> XiXaQ: but I'd expect the signatures to be in a separate file, and I'm not sure what apt-get update does if that file doesn't download properly.
[16:42] <shadeslayer> XiXaQ: yeah,im on the main server,no glitch here
[16:42] <mzz> XiXaQ: you're right though: don't mess around with what gpg keys are trusted
[16:44] <Polterge|st> anyhow bbl
[16:44] <tmroland> guys, how do i update my kubuntu beta to rc ?
[16:44] <bjsnider> just do the normal daily updates
[16:44] <IdleOne> sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[16:45] <bjsnider> use update manager
[16:45] <IdleOne> or use the update manager
[16:45] <tmroland> its broken.. sometimes it crashes and sometimes it says : you dont have the right privileges to do updates or something like that
[16:45] <shadeslayer> !upgrade | tmroland
[16:47] <rhosigma> need help installing karmic, can anyone help me?
[16:47] <|Dreams|> is it still better to disable ipv6 for increased speed in karmic?
[16:48] <russlar_> tmroland: if you're already on kubuntu beta, all you need to do is a sudoaptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[16:48] <rhosigma> can someone help me install please
[16:49] <mzz> !ask
[16:49] <mzz> rhosigma: that was for you, sort of
[16:49] <tmroland> guys, i tried apt-get update and upgrade , same with aptitude, all i get is Err http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com karmic-updates/multiverse Sources
[16:49] <tmroland>   500  Internal Server Error
[16:50] <om26er1> is gnome-shell future of ubuntu???
[16:50] <maco> not 10.04
[16:50] <maco> but 10.10., i guess so
[16:50] <robin0800> om26er1: no gnome3
[16:50] <rhosigma> im using the "try without installing" right now, clicking the "Install Ubuntu 9.10" link on my desktop will not work
[16:50] <rhosigma> is there a command line?
[16:50] <maco> robin0800: i thought shell *was* gnome3?
[16:51] <crashflow> the 9.10 kubuntu release candidate live dvd won't load on my computer. i have been running 8.10 since its release and it works fine. however, 9.10 just does not work. is my system no longer supported? (samsung r41 laptop, ca. 2007)
[16:51] <om26er1> robin0800: gnome-shell will be the user interface so
[16:51] <robin0800> maco: so gnome say
[16:51] <bjsnider> gnome-shell/mutter will replace gnome-panel/metacity in gnome 3 but it is available as a preview in 2.28
[16:51] <om26er1> at the moment gnome shell don't seem to be looking attractive
[16:52] <tmroland> russlar: i get Err http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com karmic-updates/multiverse Sources
[16:52] <tmroland>   500  Internal Server Error when running apt-get update and same when doing upgrade
[16:52] <rhosigma> anyone?
[16:52] <maco> rhosigma: sudo ubiquity?
[16:53] <robin0800> om26er1: works OK here but its obvious its not finished yet
[16:53] <russlar> tmroland: loks liek there's a problem with that repository
[16:53] <russlar> tmroland: can you try another one?
[16:53] <tmroland> yes trying
[16:53] <om26er1> robin0800: it should compete with win7 or mac
[16:53] <lfaraone> When I run speaker-test, the sound plays, but gradually gets softer and softer until it falls below my range of hearing. Is this a pulse audio bug, and if so, how do I debug it?
[16:54] <rhosigma> nope
[16:54] <russlar> bjsnider: great! y'all can have the same amount of fun KDE users had early last year!
[16:54] <dtchen> lfaraone: not enough context
[16:55] <rhosigma> im using the "try without installing" right now, clicking the "Install Ubuntu 9.10" link on my desktop will not work, is there a command to run the installer?
[16:55] <bjsnider> russlar, i don't think so, sir. gnome-shell is good. kde is not.
[16:55] <dtchen> lfaraone: first you need to bypass PA: speaker-test -c2 -Dplug:front:0
[16:55] <lfaraone> dtchen: "Playback open error: -16,Device or resource busy"
[16:56] <tmroland> russlar: where can i see what is changed in rc compared to beta?
[16:56] <dtchen> lfaraone: pasuspender -- speaker-test -c2 -Dplug:front:0
[16:56] <rhosigma> im using the "try without installing" right now, clicking the "Install Ubuntu 9.10" link on my desktop will not work, is there a command to run the installer?
[16:56] <oorah> when will the array.org kernel be out for karmic?
[16:57] <lfaraone> dtchen: okay, like before, it starts out loud, but gradually gets quieter.
[16:57] <rhosigma> wow, great support
[16:57] <lfaraone> dtchen: rerunning the command immediately after killing it doesn't produce any sound, but when I wait a minute or so it repeats the above behavior.
[16:57] <rhosigma> sarcasm
[16:57] <bjsnider> dtchen, is there a known bug right now in nforce/nvidia sound chips, like a showstopper? somebody was in here a few nights ago complaining about it just after a clean install
[16:57] <fwaokda> I'm trying to set up this Ubuntu One to try it out... is it possible to set it up to monitor a folder on my computer and upload any changes?
[16:57] <drs305> rhosigma: I'm booting a live cd at the moment to get you the command. hold on.
[16:57] <lfaraone> rhosigma: well, if it doesn't work, report a bug on it.
[16:58] <maco> drs305: i already told him it
[16:58] <maco> i think his cd's just fubar
[16:58] <maco> also, is gone
[16:58] <drs305> Ok, well I think he's gone anyway.
[16:58] <drs305> Yep.
[16:58] <dtchen> lfaraone: no, that's not a PA issue, then. That's either an ALSA issue or a hw issue.
[16:59] <lfaraone> dtchen: I see. How would I go about bypassing ALSA? :P
[16:59] <russlar> !rc | tmroland
[16:59] <russlar> tmroland: the RC is a stability upgrade to the beta
[16:59] <dtchen> lfaraone: build OSS4 :p
[16:59] <tmroland> changelog?
[16:59] <russlar> tmroland: new features were frozen at the beta, the RC was about fixing bugs
[16:59] <yermandu> ok i want install grub in another partition, how i can do this?
[17:00] <dtchen> bjsnider: really not enough context?
[17:00] <oorah> when will the array.org kernel be out for karmic?
[17:00] <oorah> ubottu says funny stuff sometimes lol
[17:00] <dtchen> bjsnider: I mean, I have a ton of "nvsound bugs" in my head, but I have no way of telling which one is relevant
[17:01] <oorah> what is bot abuse?
[17:01] <bjsnider> dtchen, well basically he had no sound at all just after a clean install using an nforce board with an nvidia sound chip. he says he filed a bug about it. i just thought it was hard to believe the driver could be that bad
[17:01] <BlouBlou> hi, what can I do for be emapthy's logo in gnome's bar? like pidgin in ubuntu 9.04
[17:01] <drs305> yermandu: You are running Grub 2?
[17:01] <maco> oorah: usin the bot in the channel for no good reason
[17:01] <yermandu> sad, but yes
[17:01] <lfaraone> dtchen: basically, follow the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenSound ? (purge pulseaudio, blacklist alsa, etc?)
[17:01] <dtchen> bjsnider: did he give a bug number?
[17:02] <bjsnider> yes, but i don't remember what it was. would have been filed only a few days ago
[17:02] <dtchen> lfaraone: if it's an install you don't mind blowing away, sure
[17:02] <tmroland> what does 'uname -r' say in rc?
[17:02] <dtchen> 2.6.31-14-foo
[17:02] <lfaraone> tmroland: 2.6.31-10-generic
[17:02] <maco> bjsnider: nah, thats a common issue, but each "no sound" has to be investigated separately since theyll almost all require different fixes
[17:02] <BlouBlou> hello?
[17:02] <tmroland> welll i got 2.6.31-11 in beta so hows that even possible
[17:03] <lfaraone> dtchen: uh, we're on  .14?
[17:03] <yermandu> drs305, y /dev/sda2 is my old boot, before the ubuntu instalation, i just want boot my other linux distro
[17:03] <dtchen> lfaraone: 14.48, yes
[17:03] <maco> bjsnider: well..."unmute it" is one surprisingly common fix, but eh...
[17:03] <bjsnider> maco, it is common to have no sound at all on a clean install??
[17:03] <bjsnider> that ain't not no good
[17:03] <lfaraone> dtchen: something must be wrong with my install then...
[17:03] <dtchen> lfaraone: cf. /proc/version_signature
[17:03] <maco> bjsnider: not common as in "majority" but as in "there are a lot of bugs filed for htat for various hardware"
[17:03] <tmroland> damn us server... i get under 100kbytes download
[17:03] <dtchen> lfaraone: RC or newer?
[17:04] <lfaraone> dtchen: well, yeah, I'm on the MIT karmic repos.
[17:04] <dtchen> if so, probably the "grub didn't update the kernel entries" symptom
[17:04] <dtchen> desktop systems should be running Ubuntu 2.6.31-14.48-generic
[17:04] <lfaraone> well, that might explain my sound problem <_<;
[17:04] <drs305> yermandu: the command is   sudo grub-setup /dev/sdX   That puts it in the MBR. If you designate a partition it will issue a warning. It can be done but apparently the devs don't like it.
[17:05] <bjsnider> maco, but the distro isn't supposed to start muted right?
[17:05] <lfaraone> bjsnider: it isn't, no.
[17:05] <dtchen> bjsnider: no
[17:05] <maco> dtchen: there are still some codecs where a warm reboot from a muted windows will make the sound card stay muted, right?
[17:06] <dtchen> maco: difficult to pinpoint whether it's just the codec at fault. Sometimes it's both the codec and the BIOS at fault.
[17:06] <robin0800> bjsnider: run alsmixer in a terminal see if any thing is muted etc
[17:06] <drs305> yermandu: I'll be back in half an hour if you have questions.
[17:06] <maco> dtchen: lovely
[17:07] <yermandu> tnx
[17:07] <lfaraone> dtchen: is there a workaround/bug number for that grub issue?
[17:07] <dtchen> lfaraone: don't know
[17:08] <dtchen> there should be; it has happened to a bunch of people dist-upgrading from 9.04
[17:08] <shadeslayer> anyone on kde?
[17:08] <maco> shadeslayer: aye
[17:08] <shadeslayer> maco: ok try this : killall plasma-desktop;plasma-desktop;
[17:08] <maco> lfaraone: could probably manually update menu.lst...
[17:08] <maco> lfaraone: in the short term
[17:08] <shadeslayer> maco: then zoom out and click configure plasma
[17:09] <lfaraone> maco: there isn't a menu.lst in grub2.
[17:09] <maco> shadeslayer: this wont work with me. i dont use kwin and that zoom in/out stuff depends heavily on it
[17:09] <shadeslayer> maco: do you have the "Have Seprate Dashboard" checkbox checked?
[17:09] <maco> lfaraone: or whatever its called?
[17:09] <shadeslayer> hmm
[17:09] <shadeslayer> anyone else?
[17:09] <tmroland> is there a faster better performance fs than ext4, usable on linux?
[17:10] <maco> shadeslayer: if youre checking a bug, you can try #kubuntu-devel
[17:10] <shadeslayer> apparantely the checkbox gets ticked all by itself
[17:10] <om26er1> tmroland: not usable still but btrfs
[17:10] <mzz> tmroland: there are other filesystems. You'd have to benchmark to find out if they're faster for your workload.
[17:10] <shadeslayer> maco: im just verifying that the problem is not just with my system
[17:10] <JackD> why go for upstart and grub2 i wonder
[17:10] <scott_ino2> karmic is running pretty well only have two issues with it right now: something is causing my boot to hang a little, thus resulting in longer boot times from jaunty.
[17:10] <dtchen> lfaraone: /boot/grub/grub.cfg, which should populate the kernel entries via /etc/grub.d/10_linux
[17:10] <mzz> tmroland: btrfs isn't really ready for primetime yet, but depending on your workload reiserfs or xfs might be faster or slower
[17:11] <russlar> tmroland: I've heard that XFS can be faster, but it also has a reputatuion for being less stable
[17:11] <fwaokda> I'm trying to set up this Ubuntu One to try it out... is it possible to set it up to monitor a folder on my computer and upload any changes?
[17:11] <russlar> mzz: I ran reiserfs for a long while. gotta say it's pretty killer
[17:12] <maco> shadeslayer: well ive already played with those checkboxes, so mine are unchecked. by zoom in/out doesnt work without kwin, i mean i cant choose which it'll zoom into when i choose to zoom in. itll just go to whichever it was on at login time. which it logs in on, however, varies
[17:12] <mzz> russlar: yes, it can kill your data!
[17:12]  * mzz ducks
[17:12] <BluesKaj> scott_ino2, running a jaunty partition and a karmic partition ?
[17:12] <soreau> So.. this version of firefox in karmic doesn't save flv (ie. youtube) videos to /tmp/Flash*..
[17:12] <russlar> mzz: but it will eventually tell you where it went!
[17:12] <maco> soreau: theyre just in /tmp
[17:12] <russlar> !me is goign to hell
[17:13] <shadeslayer> maco: do you have kwin at all?
[17:13] <maco> russlar: trying to retrain the bot to a misspelling?
[17:13] <soreau> Oh, tab auto-complete wasn't showing them
[17:13] <shadeslayer> maco: maybe you can run kwin for the testing part?
[17:13] <russlar> maco: no, but it did forward that to ubuntu-ops...
[17:13] <maco> shadeslayer: yes, but id have to log out to change window managers :(
[17:13] <shadeslayer> maco: ugh...
[17:13] <maco> russlar: yes.... all "retrain the bot" attempts go there
[17:13] <BluesKaj> soreau, install youtube-dl
[17:14] <shadeslayer> maco: ok then,ill wait for someone to come by and help me :)
[17:14] <BluesKaj> !youtube-dl | soreau
[17:14] <BluesKaj> !info youtube-dl
[17:14] <soreau> BluesKaj: heh, thx but I use it for other flash too
[17:14] <yermandu> !info grub2
[17:14] <BluesKaj> ok ,but it works well
[17:14] <soreau> Is there a way to rearrange the order of the in-tray applets/icons?
[17:15] <dtchen> maco: err, no, just kill xmonad and start kwin from Terminator
[17:15] <soreau> I want the wif to be to the left and volume to be all the way to the right
[17:15] <soreau> s/wif/network icon
[17:15] <ernstp> soreau, no, pretty sure there's not
[17:16] <maco> dtchen: really? restarting xmonad will be nasty though, wont it?
[17:16] <dtchen> maco: potentially
[17:16] <soreau> Well is there a way to remove icons/applets from the notification tray?
[17:16] <ernstp> soreau, it's based on the order they start
[17:16] <robin0800> soreau: no and no
[17:16] <soreau> hmm
[17:16] <ernstp> soreau, startup applications?
[17:16] <soreau> That kinda sucks
[17:16] <soreau> ernstp: Thanks for that info though
[17:17]  * soreau killall's nm-applet
[17:17]  * yermandu killeverthing grub2
[17:18]  * robin0800 killall ubuntu RC
[17:18] <shadeslayer> maco: kdebase-workspace-bin
[17:18] <shadeslayer> oops
[17:18] <soreau> What is the name of the tray applet that tells you a hard disk is failing? :o
[17:18] <shadeslayer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/459867
[17:18] <shadeslayer> soreau: HDAPS ?
[17:19] <mac_v> sobersabre: disk utility
[17:19] <mac_v> ooops! soreau ^
[17:19] <om26er> what needs to be done to compete ubuntu with mac or windows visually. the software side of ubuntu is awesome and also the drivers
[17:20] <russlar> om26er: have you looked at KDE recently?
[17:20] <shadeslayer> om26er: sell ubuntu @ 1$
[17:20] <shadeslayer> then use the money to market it more :P
[17:21] <russlar> shadeslayer: pre-installed on laptops in best buy
[17:21] <om26er> russlar: using kde means not using ubuntu to me
[17:21] <Noah0504> Anyone else having trouble getting Grub to install on a RAID array period?
[17:21] <shadeslayer> om26er: oh and KDE just beats the hell out of Win 7
[17:21] <om26er> i love gnome
[17:21] <om26er> gnome is linux man
[17:21] <russlar> om26er: fair enough
[17:21] <shadeslayer> om26er: yeah,youll be getting gnome 3 soon
[17:22] <om26er> gnome cannot be compared to any WM
[17:22] <lemonade> Noah0504: didin't have any trouble
[17:23] <Noah0504> lemonade: May I ask how your RAID is setup?
[17:23] <C-S-B_> is RC out yet?
[17:23] <Noah0504> C-S-B_:  Yes.
[17:23] <soreau> mac_v: Cool, thanks
[17:23] <robin0800> C-S-B_: yes
[17:23] <C-S-B_> (pardon my complete lack of googling
[17:23] <Noah0504> Haha.
[17:23] <C-S-B_> thankyou Noah0504, robin0800
[17:23] <aurolac> anyone using a MSI Wind?
[17:23] <russlar> !karmic | C-S-B_
[17:24] <lemonade> Noah0504: / = raid1, /home = raid1
[17:24] <C-S-B_> Just wondering what state my install was in.
[17:24] <lemonade> Noah0504: first one has grub, naturally
[17:24] <lemonade> grub2, i mean
[17:24] <C-S-B_> So my dist-upgrade should bump me up to rc
[17:24] <russlar> yup
[17:24] <Noah0504> I had a RAID1 = /boot and RAID5 = /
[17:24] <Pyrometheus> update-manager updates to rc automatically ?
[17:24] <Pyrometheus> oh k
[17:24] <shadeslayer> C-S-B_: lsb_release -a
[17:25] <Noah0504> Worked under 9.04, but .10 just won't install it.
[17:25] <lemonade> Noah0504: did you try grub2?
[17:26] <Noah0504> lemonade: I think that's what it was trying to install by default.
[17:26] <Noah0504> Well, it did prompt me, but yes.
[17:26] <ixian_> Is there a known problem with the installation in 9.10 NetbookRemix? Once I get to the part where you enter your name/password, I can't type anything in the boxes. The system is not hung, and I can still click back, quit, etc. I'm on a Dell Mini 10v
[17:26] <Pyrometheus> anything good in grub 2 ?
[17:26] <C-S-B_> anyone know if theres a fix for the acer one not detecting the removal of power cord and not going into standby?
[17:30] <lemonade> Noah0504: ok, perhaps you should try grub-legacy - i guess you could install it atleast from 9.04 livecd
[17:30] <lemonade> dunno if 9.10 has it anymore
[17:30] <_akahige_> if a ppa has been added properly, and I do an "apt-get update" should there be any indication that the ppa has been read during the update?
[17:30] <Noah0504> I'll give everything another shot and see how things go!
[17:31] <lemonade> Noah0504: sure thing
[17:31] <maco> _akahige_:  ppa.launchad.net will fly by...
[17:31] <lemonade> good luck
[17:31] <Noah0504> Ha.  Always fun to conquer a new problem!
[17:31] <Noah0504> lemonade: Thanks.
[17:32] <_akahige_> maco: I just mean looking at the scrollback in the terminal window. I'm trying to work out a video driver issue, and near as I can tell, my machine doesn't seem to want to access the ppa (thefirstm)
[17:33] <maco> _akahige_: if you see anything in the output of apt-get update referencing ppa.launchpad.net, its in there
[17:33] <DanaG> Dang, I wish somebody had an R600-KMS ppa.
[17:33] <_akahige_> maco: okay. thanks. there must be something else going on, then
[17:34] <om26er> is intel driver at its best or still its a long way to go?
[17:34] <httpdss> just installed karmic on an acer 5320 and im getting http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/300696 and as a results of that, the laptop turn off. any way i can fix this ?? other version of ubuntu worked fine (this karmic beta is a clean install)
[17:36] <penguin42> httpdss: Does it sounds like it's actually running the fan?
[17:36] <httpdss> penguin42: nope, i just hear the sound of the harddrive but fan never activates
[17:37] <om26er> httpdss: did u tried live cd boot
[17:37] <penguin42> httpdss: Well, assuming your machine was OK before I think you need to submit a bug
[17:37] <httpdss> penguin42: is there any command to force that behaviour ?
[17:37] <penguin42> maybe but I dob't know it
[17:38] <om26er> does any1 here think that there should be only one media player in ubuntu for audio+video
[17:39] <httpdss> penguin42: ok! i'll do that ... between the installation and until i did a dist-upgrade, just after grub started i could see a message saying something like... found acer 5320, BIOS not supported
[17:39] <robin0800> om26er: yes but not rhythmbox
[17:39] <penguin42> om26er: I think at the moment people use them differently; for example you tend to leave a music player playing tracks by itself, where video you select a track and play it and watch it
[17:40] <robin0800> om26er: songbird audio vlc video
[17:41] <maco> lunks: im filing a bug for karmic
[17:41] <om26er> robin0800: totem is great with a few new features if added
[17:41] <maco> because i did have this working in jaunty
[17:41] <om26er> vlc cannot be given out of box
[17:41] <lunks> maco, ok, could you lend me the link after you submitted it?
[17:42] <robin0800> om26er: totem replay gain?
[17:42] <om26er> robin0800: totem2.30 is expected to be a master piece
[17:43] <robin0800> om26er: will it have or has it got replay gain?
[17:44] <om26er> robin0800: i don't know about that but you should request it at bugzilla.gnome
[17:45] <om26er> robin0800: video seeking in totem when using gstreamer is realtime vlc is very slow in that
[17:45] <fwaokda> I have a MSI WInd U100 and frequently Ubuntu gets in a state where it goes between two brightness settings until finally after maybe 3 mins it stops... anyone know of  a fix for this?
[17:45] <mauri> my parttition manager is not able to mange usb external 1Tb hd, why?
[17:45] <robin0800> om26er: rhymthbox has cept its broke and has been for ages and yes I did file a bug
[17:46] <maco> lunks: set the compose key to altgr
[17:46] <maco> lunks: er to right alt
[17:46] <om26er> rhythmbox don't sync ipod
[17:46] <maco> lunks: and unset 3rd level chooser
[17:46] <om26er> banshee or amarok do
[17:46]  * penguin42 has been using exaile for a while - it does work, not that fast though
[17:47] <om26er> penguin42: exaile is default audio player in xubuntu
[17:47] <russlar> mauri: which partition manager are you using?
[17:47] <robin0800> om26er: ive just switched to songbird from amarok
[17:47] <penguin42> om26er: Oh cool
[17:47] <fwaokda> scratch that does it for like 5mins +
[17:48] <lunks> maco, w00t, it works :) I wish I did not have to use it initially, but it seems it's the best option. :)
[17:48] <om26er> why does ubuntu not make a DVD with different desktop environments and different apps
[17:48] <om26er> like fedora do
[17:49] <penguin42> om26er: Once you've installed one it's easy to install any others you want to try
[17:49] <om26er> penguin42: downloading and then install time
[17:50] <penguin42> sure
[17:50] <robin0800> penguin42: esspecialy if you start with ubuntu
[17:51] <shadeslayer> 22:18 < om26er> like fedora do
[17:51] <shadeslayer> 22:19 < penguin42> om26er: Once you've installed one it's easy to install any others you want to try
[17:51] <om26er> which telepathy is used for yahoo accounts
[17:51] <shadeslayer> woops
[17:51] <shadeslayer> sorry for that
[17:51] <maco> lunks: thank dtchen ;) he told me to use compose
[17:51] <DonaldShimoda> hi
[17:51]  * penguin42 confiscates shadeslayer's middle button
[17:51] <shadeslayer> my touchpad is going crazy
[17:51]  * shadeslayer doesnt have one
[17:51] <lunks> dtchen, thank you ;)
[17:51] <DonaldShimoda> any karmi koala ruin my sound, but it stop in the middle of the update for nvidia packahe
[17:51] <mauri> russlar: no errors. fdisk -l recognize correctly the partition conteined in it
[17:51] <DonaldShimoda> so, where i can download a torrnte for the RC/
[17:52] <shadeslayer> penguin42: synaptic touchpads are jumpy :P
[17:52] <russlar> mauri: let's keep this in #kubuntu
[17:52] <penguin42> shadeslayer: Yeh there are a whole load of setting syou can try on them though
[17:52] <om26er> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10
[17:52] <shadeslayer> penguin42: yeah,they supposedly support multi touch
[17:53] <DonaldShimoda> om26er, thanks, no torrent downlaod?
[17:53] <shadeslayer> DonaldShimoda: theyre on that site
[17:53] <om26er> DonaldShimoda: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/rc/
[17:54] <darthanubis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lm-sensors-3/+bug/447837
[17:54] <shadeslayer> !torrent | DonaldShimoda : i think
[17:54] <DonaldShimoda> theres not for the alternate install
[17:54] <jdsbluedevl> hi, can somebody tell me when VLC is finally going to be fixed?
[17:54] <DonaldShimoda> and i need alternate because i use software raid, not supported by standard install :(
[17:55] <bjv> When i remove my old pata drive & reboot, my OS drive shifts from /dev/sdb to sda
[17:55] <bjv> rendering my system unbootable
[17:55] <bjv> dropping me to an initramfs prompt
[17:56] <bjv> so i need to edit my... grub config, then rebuild the initrd?
[17:56] <DonaldShimoda> the rc adn the final release are the same rigth? or im wrong
[17:56] <yermandu> drs305, ping
[17:56] <om26er> DonaldShimoda: i cannot open this page can u
[17:56] <om26er> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/
[17:56] <drs305> hey yermandu
[17:56] <bjv> i dont see a /boot/grub/menu.lst   or the right file in /etc/default/grub
[17:56] <DonaldShimoda> om26er, yes i can
[17:56] <DonaldShimoda> om26er, but early today i cannot
[17:57] <om26er> DonaldShimoda: you got torrent
[17:57] <om26er> ubuntu servers are very slow now a days
[17:58] <om26er> since  beta i guess
[17:58] <bjv> any help here?
[17:58] <DonaldShimoda> om26er, i neede alternat install , the torrents there are the standard install
[17:58] <bjv> i'd like to be able to boot this machine.
[17:58] <om26er> any1 using ubuntu moblin remix
[17:58] <yermandu> i was using grub 0.97 before the install ubuntu
[17:58] <DonaldShimoda> i'm downloading the alternate iso at full speed, lucky me!
[17:58] <DonaldShimoda> ;)
[17:59] <yermandu> and now im using grub2 (ubuntu install for me) drs305
[17:59] <om26er> and Ubuntu Moblin Remix user
[17:59] <yermandu> The Problem is i can not boot another distros :(
[17:59] <DonaldShimoda> om26er, my update fails cause nvidia driver... it install but not sound and some problems
[17:59] <om26er> but i am getting just 90kb/s
[17:59] <yermandu> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/300721/
[17:59] <Cyberkilla> Hello, could someone direct me to the usplash irc channel, if one exists?
[17:59] <Cyberkilla> I'm trying to get a bug report noticed, because it's years old and has not been assigned, in spite of it being confirmed and set to medium priority
[17:59] <DonaldShimoda> om26er, i will try a fresh install, and cross my fingersss
[18:00] <yermandu> take a look drs305 , see if can help me
[18:00] <drs305> yermandu: Have you run "sudo update-grub" since you installed it. Sometimes it works AFTER the install.
[18:00] <Cyberkilla> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/67826
[18:01] <shadeslayer> anyone whose been able to get a resolution in a tty by adding vga=vgavalue in grub 2?
[18:01] <om26er> why are there blinkin dots before and after usplash the boot should be clean
[18:01] <DonaldShimoda> om26er, i find a torrent for the alternate install!
[18:02] <DonaldShimoda> great!
[18:02] <yermandu> reboot
[18:02] <om26er> DonaldShimoda: i was downloading UMR 20091024
[18:03] <om26er> DonaldShimoda: how many users are in this channel can you see
[18:03] <Cyberkilla> 383 users
[18:03] <om26er> great
[18:04] <om26er> they will increase to a 1000 in a month
[18:04] <om26er> or even before
[18:04] <russlar> om26er: nah, once karmic is released, they'll move to #ubuntu
[18:04] <DonaldShimoda> om26er, in this channel?
[18:04] <om26er> ya
[18:04] <DonaldShimoda> om26er, 379
[18:04] <om26er> russlar: what will happen to jaunty ubuntu-1?
[18:05] <russlar> that'll be for jaunty then
[18:05] <om26er> ok
[18:05] <Cyberkilla> Anybody know how to get bug reports dealt with? I don't know whether anybody is looking at this one...
[18:05] <Cyberkilla> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/67826
[18:05] <russlar> and intrepid wil be teh #dude... upgrade already! chanel
[18:05] <om26er> empathy is lacking many irc features
[18:05] <om26er> many
[18:06] <Cyberkilla> irssi is the best irc client:P
[18:06] <shadeslayer> om26er: irssi ftw
[18:07] <om26er> Cyberkilla: empathy comes with karmic ha
[18:07]  * DanaG uses pidgin with irchelper.
[18:07] <IdleOne> Cyberkilla: status is confirmed and importance is medium. someone has looked at it
[18:07] <frybye> om26er: which is no real problem - when "Konversation" is so easy to get + install..?
[18:07] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and the first-run wizard in empathy... doesn't even OFFER IRC!
[18:08] <DanaG> How are livecd users supposed to connect to IRC?  With pidgin, it was easy... start it, and tell it to create an IRC account.
[18:08] <om26er> i like it that they replcaed pidgin with empathy
[18:08] <Cyberkilla> IdleOne: Somebody looked at it years ago:P But not recently, it seems.
[18:08] <DanaG> Empathy sucks for my uses.  Too un-tweakable.  Too many missing features.
[18:09] <Cyberkilla> IdleOne: It is not assigned to anyone. Shouldn't somebody from usplash dev have picked it up by now?  I suspect it is a bit depth issue.
[18:09] <yermandu> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/300721/
[18:09] <IdleOne> Cyberkilla: that is a 8.10 bug
[18:09] <IdleOne> probably fixed
[18:09] <zer0x> Where do I Re-enable the grub2 timeout? This is VERY annoying
[18:09] <lemonade> zer0x: /etc/default/grub
[18:10] <Cyberkilla> IdleOne: It's not fixed though. There have been several comments added in the past month. I'd post another bug, but it would probably be flagged as a duplicate of this one.
[18:10] <zer0x> lemonade: is it GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true, to false? or 0?
[18:10] <zer0x> why they disabled the timer I have no idea!?
[18:10] <om26er> lucid lynx will include BTRFS as default FS??
[18:11] <DanaG> I'm glad Ubuntu disabled flat-volumes... the logic is horribly, horribly confusing.
[18:11] <lemonade> zer0x: for ex. GRUB_TIMEOUT=3
[18:11] <DanaG> In PulseAudio, that is.
[18:11] <DanaG> And if it claims to be "like Vista".... well, it's wrong.
[18:11] <lemonade> remove the comment before it
[18:11] <zer0x> lemonade: its set to 10 allready! but it does not wait!
[18:11] <lemonade> does that line have # in the front?
[18:11] <zer0x> lemonade: nope not commented
[18:12] <zer0x> GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
[18:12] <zer0x> GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true
[18:12] <zer0x> GRUB_TIMEOUT="10"
[18:12] <lemonade> ah ok
[18:12] <lemonade> so comment out that first row
[18:12] <lemonade> GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT
[18:12] <lemonade> to #GRUB_HIDDEN...
[18:12] <om26er> is there any forum official forum about lucid lynx
[18:12] <lemonade> and then sudo update-grub
[18:12] <maco> om26er: not yet
[18:13] <zer0x> lemonade: ok, I'll give that a go, cheers :D
[18:13] <bjsnider> om26er, no it will not
[18:13] <bjsnider> ext4
[18:13] <om26er> bjsnider: even if its stable??
[18:13] <zer0x> lemonade: oh, could I not set hidden_timeout=0 to 10 instead?
[18:14] <lemonade> it doesn't matter when you have it commented out
[18:14] <zer0x> I mean instead of commenting it out :D
[18:15] <lemonade> dunno :D i have it that way
[18:15] <zer0x> I don't mind the 10 second wait being hidden :D
[18:15] <DanaG> 10 is a bit long... I have my (visible menu) timeout set to 4 seconds.
[18:15] <zer0x> true, less would be fine :D I'll try it now... I am quite annoyed that they disabled the timeout by default!
[18:16] <zer0x> what if you had issues on your first boot!?