[00:00] <ninjai> maybe they could invest in some existing developers to release for linux platforms..?
[00:01] <ninjai> I know this is probably comlpetely unrealistic, but imagine if canonical invested into blizzard or something or the sort and they released games liek diablo II and starcraft II on ubuntu.  That would be amazing.
[00:01] <ninjai> the day that happens is the day I get rid of my windows box :)
[00:01] <Zelda> Hello everyone.
[00:01] <ninjai> hello
[00:02] <ninjai> miss
[00:02] <Zelda> I installed Adobe 9 reader. there is an icon on the desktop. I dont want that there, however when I put it in the trash, it also deletes the menu icon as well. Is there anything that I can do that will make it so I can delete the desktop icon and keep the menu?
[00:03] <Zelda> I installed the app to /opt if that matters.
[00:03] <ninjai> really?
[00:03] <ninjai> weird
[00:03] <ninjai> install it from the repository?
[00:03] <ninjai> it's in there
[00:03] <ninjai> I did it today
[00:03] <ninjai> I also never got an icon on the desktop
[00:04] <ninjai> sudo apt-get install acroread
[00:04] <Zelda> I cant. I have  a 64b.
[00:04] <ninjai> its not in the 64b repo's?
[00:04] <Zelda> there isnt one in the repos
[00:04] <ali1234> doh my desktop has vanished...
[00:04] <yofel> and make sure you have the partner repos enabled
[00:04] <MariachiAC> Hello. I have a question. Since i use the Orca screen reader I can use the update-manager. however, when i run "update-manager -d" I can hit the button to upgrade my version of ubuntu (Karmic) to Lucid. When pressing upgrade I lose speech. Can I change /etc/apt/sources.list file manually and run the update manager and upgrade this way or will I experience problems since the recommended way to upgrade is using "upgrade-manager -d"
[00:05] <yofel> Zelda: it's in the partner repos. even for amd64
[00:05] <Zelda> Ill try it. Cause when I did that before it gave me an error saying that x86 stuff
[00:05] <ninjai> Zelda: I believe yofel is correct.. I have extra repo's added/enabled
[00:05] <Zelda> cause im on AMD64
[00:05] <Zelda> ok ill give it a shot.
[00:05] <ninjai> k
[00:06] <ninjai> hahah this is awesome, I've never seen this before... http://ubuntuforums.org/customavatars/avatar447468_3.gif
[00:06] <yofel> MariachiAC: a) what's speech? b) you can certainly use the debian method to dist-upgrade, but we don't support that
[00:07] <Zelda> how do I uninstall the one that I put in /opt
[00:07] <Zelda> ?
[00:07] <ninjai> did you install with a deb package?
[00:07] <Zelda> no a bin
[00:07] <yofel> ninjai: haha, that's err.... tunic? (tux/sonic)
[00:08] <yofel> Zelda: just delete it from /opt I think
[00:08] <ninjai> yofel: I would guess that's a fitting name... pretty awesome eh?
[00:08] <Zelda> I just installed the one in the software center too
[00:08] <Zelda> ok
[00:08] <ninjai> if he deletes from /opt/ there might be some things laying around... dont you think?
[00:08] <MariachiAC> yofel: Orca is a screen reader to read the gnome desktop. So will I experience problems using apt-get dist-upgrade?
[00:08] <Zelda> who knows.
[00:08] <ninjai> lol
[00:09] <ninjai> agreed
[00:09] <ninjai> ive never used it really
[00:09] <ninjai> i think i tried that program once
[00:09] <Zelda> well I do here and there.
[00:09] <yofel> MariachiAC: well, I'm not sure, but it seems we only had orca in dapper, so I have no idea what will happen
[00:09] <Zelda> just good to have
[00:09] <bjsnider> yofel, the nvidia-installer does not work with lucid and will not work with it. if that block is overridden the official word is that you're on your own
[00:09] <MariachiAC> yofel: orca is i n the other versions of ubuntu. Its called gnome-orca
[00:10] <MariachiAC> yofel I might be willing to give dist-upgrade a try. I'm guessing it won't work though.
[00:10] <Zelda> interesting. It doesnt give me an option to delete it from /opt. I have to go in and delete all the subfolders and files first.
[00:10] <Zelda> I'll just leave it there. who cares.
[00:10] <yofel> MariachiAC: ah, I searched for 'orca', we have gnome-orca 2.30.0-0ubuntu3 in lucid
[00:11] <yofel> bjsnider: ok, I wasn't sure, thanks
[00:11] <endler> Does anyone have kwin desktop effects working with the nvidia drivers using opengl?
[00:11] <MariachiAC> yofel yes I'd like to have hte latest gnome, but currently I am only able to use the cd of beta2 to install on m y laptop. My laptop is an intel based machine while my desktop is an amd. My desktop does not boot the live cd of beta2 for some reason.
[00:11] <Gartral> having insane serious issues.. cannot boot safely into X period. all it does is loop the ready sound, and my cpu is burning at 60 C..
[00:11] <ninjai> ebdker: I do at home
[00:11] <ninjai> endler*
[00:12] <Zelda> Gartral: get a new case.
[00:12] <Zelda> haha
[00:12] <endler> Since upgrading to lucid I've had to change to xrender to get compositing to work
[00:12] <Zelda> *kidding
[00:12] <ninjai> endler: Ah, sorry.  I forgot I was in ubuntu+1, I'm running 9.10 at home.
[00:12] <yofel> endler: kwin  works fine here on my geforce 250GTS, maybe the driver installation didn't go right?
[00:13] <endler> It worked for me in 9.10
[00:13] <Gartral> Zelda: i was about to say.. my H.A.F.932 shouldnt have any isues
[00:13] <yofel> endler: what driver have you installed currently?
[00:13] <endler> yofel, are you using opengl or xrender for compositing
[00:13] <yofel> MariachiAC: that can have a bunch of reasons, can you try a daily image?
[00:13] <yofel> endler: let me check
[00:13] <rapha> hmm
[00:13] <endler> 195.36.15
[00:14] <yofel> gl
[00:14] <rapha> one thing that still doesnt work is file sharing among ubuntu pcs :-(
[00:14] <endler> It runs, but doesn't render properly
[00:14] <rapha> i installed samba on every PC and shared the "Public" folder for guests, but when i click "network" on one of the other pcs i dont see those shares
[00:14] <endler> opengl works otherwise
[00:14] <yofel> endler: what happens if you try to run 'glxgears' or 'glxinfo' ?
[00:15] <endler> Both work fine.  Only opengl problems are with kwin
[00:15] <yofel> maybe look for errors in ~/.xsession-errors
[00:16] <Zelda> IM going to brb. Going to see if my menu icon disappears after I reboot. Brb.
[00:16] <yofel> you can run 'tail -f ~/.xsession-errors' to see new errors as they come in, leave that running and try to enabel opengl
[00:16] <yofel> endler: ^
[00:16] <endler> I don't think their would be any "errors" because it "works" but doesn't look right
[00:16] <yofel> doesn't look right?
[00:17] <MariachiAC> yofel I tried an image Tuesday. I can try another and see if its any different.
[00:17] <endler> renderings incorrectly ie. washed out, ureadable, goes to black when it shouldn't
[00:18] <yofel> MariachiAC: we had a few mountall and plymouth fixes in the last few days that can make a difference, if you already have an image you can just zsync it
[00:18] <endler> opengl is enabled and working in every way just fine except with for kwin effects
[00:19] <Zelda> Back.
[00:19] <Zelda> Ok so now I have 2 menu icons. How do I delete the one that I installed via a bin?
[00:19] <MariachiAC> I believe I have an image. How would I zscync it?
[00:19] <Zelda> through the terminal right?
[00:19] <MariachiAC> yofel I believe I have an image. How would I zscync it?
[00:21] <Kementari> question: if I install the current beta of lucid, will I be able to seemless upgrade to the offical 10.04 release on the  29th?
[00:21] <yofel> MariachiAC: in the directory where you have the image run 'zsync <link_to_zsync_file>' like 'zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync'
[00:21] <yofel> !final | Kementari
[00:23] <Zelda> would navigating to the /opt and then sudo apt-get rm adobe work?
[00:23] <MariachiAC> yofel Ok I'll try that. brb.
[00:24] <Zelda> or going into the package manager.
[00:24] <yofel> Zelda: why apt-get? that's only for .deb packages, either  use the remove function of the .bin you installed adobe reader from or try something else
[00:25] <yofel> but apt will never touch /opt in any way
[00:26] <Zelda> new to ubuntu obviously. still trying to learn. whats the easiest way to remove it? I still have the .bin in the downloads folder.
[00:27] <yofel> erm, didn't the page you got the .bin from give any removal instructions?
[00:27] <Zelda> no. I downloaded it direct from Adobe.
[00:27] <Zelda> I didnt see any.
[00:27] <Zelda> Ill look again
[00:27] <yofel> only for .deb packages there is a defined procedure how to handle them in ubuntu, with .bin files it depends on how the .bin file works
[00:28] <yofel> Zelda: maybe running the .bin with --help might tell you something
[00:28] <Zelda> well, I wish I would have known that.
[00:29] <endler> yofel,  running tail I get errors about wobblywindows and coverswich effects not being supported
[00:29] <yofel> wtf? wasn't that compiz?
[00:30] <endler> was running with kwin in 9.10
[00:30] <trash80> iirc, the 9.10 is gnome
[00:30] <trash80> i am using 9.10
[00:30] <yofel> trash80: there is kubuntu 9.10 too
[00:31] <yofel> endler: ok, kwin has them too, my mistake
[00:31] <yofel> endler: odd, I don't have wobblywindows enabled but I do have cover switch enabled and it works
[00:32] <endler> Yeah, wobblywindows is not enabled by default, so maybe it didn't get tested
[00:32] <trash80> yofel, and you dropped in a wrong channel
[00:33] <yofel> hm, enabling it seems to run fine
[00:33] <yofel> trash80: this is the lucid support channel, he just said that he had kwin running in 9.10 after i made the wrong assumption that those effects were only part of compiz
[00:34] <endler> get: Effect  "kwin4_effect_wobblywindows"  is not supported
[00:34] <endler> But doesn't say why
[00:34] <LordKow> well great CDBS is ignoring my DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS in rules
[00:36] <yofel> endler: then I'm out of ideas, maybe ask again later if someone else had a better idea, or as a last resort ask in #kubuntu-devel if they have an idea
[00:39] <lucivu> endler: you are at lucid so you should have wobbly windows
[00:39] <MTughan> lucivu: Depends on the GPU in use.
[00:40] <lucivu> endler: unless your card/driver does not support it
[00:40] <lucivu> MTughan: sure
[00:40] <endler> I'm using the nvidia 195.36.15 drivers
[00:41] <endler> with 9800gt
[00:41] <Gartral> having insane serious issues.. cannot boot safely into X period. all it does is loop the ready sound, and my cpu is burning at 60 C..
[00:41] <lucivu> endler: then it shud
[00:41] <MTughan> endler: What does "glxinfo | grep direct" say?
[00:42] <endler> direct rendering: Yes
[00:42] <endler>     GL_EXT_Cg_shader, GL_EXT_depth_bounds_test, GL_EXT_direct_state_access,
[00:43] <lucivu> endler: am guessing you got the err msg when setting it up in systemsettings?
[00:44] <lucivu> endler: am using 1295.36.15 here with 7300 card and wobbly works fine
[00:44] <endler> No error message.
[00:44] <lucivu> *195
[00:45] <lucivu> endler: ? where did u get that message?
[00:45] <bsharitt> I used to USB startup disk creator to make a 10.04 beta 2 usb bootable drive. It's taking about 45-60 minutes to actually boot to where I can start the install. Is that a know issue?
[00:45] <endler> from xsession error log
[00:46] <lucivu> endler: when u move a window.. does it wobble?
[00:46] <endler> kdesktop effects are unstable in general when set to opengl
[00:46] <endler> work fine with xrender.
[00:47] <endler> but opengl itself loads fine with no errors and works except for with kwin
[00:50] <Gartral> having insane serious issues.. cannot boot safely into X period. all it does is loop the ready sound, and my cpu is burning at 60 C..
[00:50] <_stryk3r> Okay so, I've been having problems with my wifi. It drops once and a while and the speed is nowhere near what it should be. How can I check for problems?
[00:51] <lucivu> endler: sorry but i just installed nv drivers and enable effects and that's it.  plain vanilla setup nothing fancy
[00:52] <endler> Well, everything worked fine for me too with 9.10 and opengl kwin effects with nvidia 190 drivers
[00:53] <Gartral> _stryk3r: it sounds like firmware too me, what wifi card you have'?
[00:53] <endler> Went bad after upgrade to 10.04 and nvidia 195 drivers
[00:53] <_stryk3r> Gartral, I am not sure, Its just a toshiba laptop, how can I check?
[00:53] <yofel> Gartral: if nobody can help you at the moment, you could ask in #ubuntu-bugs what to file a bug against, if nobody is there at the moment file a bug against the kernel with 'ubuntu-bug linux' so we at least get some hardware info and logs from your pc
[00:54] <lucivu> endler: not sure but nouveau* and other nv drivers maybe conflicting
[00:54] <Gartral> _stryk3r: sudo lshw | grep wire
[00:54] <yofel> if nouveau is loaded he should end up in low graphics mode as nvidia will fail to load
[00:55] <lucivu> endler: i have to get rid of nouveau*, all modalias* drivers
[00:55] <yofel> lucivu: huh? nouveau shold get blacklisted by the nvidia driver now, no need to remove it
[00:55] <_stryk3r> Gartral, http://pastebin.org/152949
[00:55] <lucivu> endler: all i have left is the xserver-xorg-video-nv and the NV proprietery drivers
[00:55] <mrwes> partial updates should be avoided, correct?
[00:56] <yofel> mrwes: unless you know what you're doing right
[00:56] <lucivu> yofel: why leave it there when you don't need it?
[00:56] <endler> lucivu, no conflics with nouveau.  Drivers are working fine in general.  Only issue is with opengl/kwin.  I know people have been having problems with conficts, but that is is with getting the drivers to load properly at all
[00:57] <yofel> mrwes: see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1343434
[00:57] <mrwes> yofel: Ok, thought so, should work itself out in a day or so?
[00:57] <lucivu> mrwes: there is no such thing as partial update..what does it buy you?  just the big Disaster
[00:57] <mrwes> lucivu, sure there is
[00:57] <yofel> mrwes: usually yes, but see the forum post for the more accurate explenation
[00:57] <lucivu> mrwes: like what?
[00:57] <mrwes> ok, thanks
[00:58] <Gartral> _stryk3r: atheros.. it's a firmware issue..
[00:58] <mrwes> yoasif, interesting thread :)
[00:58] <mrwes> er yofel  I mean
[00:59] <mrwes> lucivu, Update Manager is reporting this:  Update Manager Offers a "Partial Upgrade"
[00:59] <_stryk3r> Gartral, I see, and by firmware issue what do you mean exactly?
[00:59] <lucivu> mrwes: wud you like a slice of your pizza while the rest are in the oven?
[00:59] <yofel> lucivu: lol, that sounds ridiculous but actually makes sense :D
[01:00] <mrwes> lucivu, nah..I prefer my pizza whole and would rather cut my own slices
[01:00] <mrwes> :)
[01:00] <lucivu> mrwes: exactly..that's why 'partial update' is crap
[01:00] <mrwes> lucivu, I understand the partial upgrade, I just was unsure of the risks of doing so
[01:01] <mrwes> understood
[01:01] <funkyHat> The "broadcast accounts" window keeps popping up unrequested ⢁(
[01:01] <funkyHat> It comes in pairs too
[01:01] <yofel> mrwes: it might remove necessary packages at random due to a wrong resolved package conflict and leave you with a possibly broken system
[01:02] <funkyHat> yofel: that's pretty unlikely though
[01:02] <mrwes> yofel, Ok, I remember coming across this with a previous beta upgrade
[01:02] <yofel> it might be unlikely, but it's *possible*, that's why I said: don't make a partial upgrade unless you know what you're doing
[01:02] <mawst> I like that Ubuntu theme for Empathy man I want it in blue though.
[01:02] <mawst> :D
[01:03] <funkyHat> I think it's just css and stuff, so you could probably modify it pretty easily
[01:03] <mrwes> RC is still on schedule for the 22nd?
[01:04] <funkyHat> Yes
[01:08] <mawst> I'll look into that.
[01:08] <mawst> Must be Gecko then
[01:09] <lucivu> yofel: if you know then you would nver do partial..as simple as that pizza analogy..you just have to wait when all r ready
[01:09] <mawst> Or I wonder if it's something else
[01:10] <mawst> Webkit maybe
[01:10] <marienz> the partial upgrades I got removed a wine-related font package and installed new kernels and wine.
[01:11] <endler> actually, I don't think I get any xsession errors.  The wobbly windows not supported thing is from switching back to xrender after opengl doesn't work.
[01:11] <endler> xrender doesn't support it
[01:11] <bjsnider> just do a sudo aptitude safe-upgrade instead of a partial upgrade
[01:11] <endler> one of the reason I'd rather use opengl
[01:13] <lucivu> endler: so you are wobbly now?  :)
[01:15] <endler> lucivu, no, I just meant that the message saying wobbly isn't supported was from switching back to xrender which works fine but just doesn't support wobbly
[01:17] <ninjai_> has anyone had problems with rhythmbox detecting certain mp3 players? Is there any way I can make it recognize my Cowon D2? Ubuntu finds and mounts it fine otherwise...
[01:19] <joneslee85> is gnome-icon-theme 2.30 missing?
[01:20] <yofel> seems so, maybe it was forgotten as we  don't use it anyway I think
[01:20] <lucivu> endler: do you have a custom xorg.conf?
[01:21] <Kajros> Has anyone tried Lucid on VMWare?
[01:21] <FFForever> Anyone notice the network icon in the top right is missing with the last few rounds of updates
[01:21] <lucivu> endler: mine is just the plain one created by the NV install
[01:21] <FFForever> (system says nm-applet is running_
[01:21] <yofel> joneslee85: check if there's a bug filed against it on launchpad
[01:22] <yofel> joneslee85: and maybe ask in #ubuntu-desktop
[01:22] <FFForever> An instance of nm-applet is already running.
[01:22] <endler> You are using the NV driver and not the nvidia driver?
[01:22] <lucivu> Kajros: using vbox right now..no vmware
[01:23] <Kajros> Using VMWare Workstation 7
[01:23] <lucivu> endler: NV 195.36.15
[01:23] <DanaG> weird... when I create an /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d..... everything breaks.
[01:23] <DanaG> It seems to decide that "oh, I have configuration in /etc.... screw everything else!"
[01:24] <DanaG> (and ignores /usr/lib/X11/xorg.conf.d/0
[01:25] <Kajros1> I hate mIRC....Last thing I typed I said I was using VMWare Workstation 7
[01:25] <DanaG> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=577769
[01:29] <BluesKaj> .0..-*0*/0-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000--
[01:29] <BluesKaj> -
[01:32] <BlkDrgn> hello all, im having an issue that i was wondering if anyone else was having too, #ubuntu-bugs seems to be dead atm
[01:32] <BlkDrgn> i downloaded and burned to disk the 10.04 beta 2 today, and i cannot boot into it, eithor by "try first" or "install".. was hoping someone else expierenced this too
[01:34] <MTughan> DanaG: You throw planes at stuff?
[01:35] <Guest51098> hey, anyway to get the same effect that gnome-session-remove gnome-panel
[01:35] <Guest51098>  does in 10.04?
[01:36] <coz_> Guest51098,  you mean gnome-shell?
[01:36] <Guest51098> I dunno, that's what I found that removes the menu bar
[01:36] <Guest51098> I'm trying to replace it because I use a dock
[01:37] <coz_> Guest51098,  I believe you can still use a dock with gnome-shell
[01:37] <coz_> Guest51098,  I havent tired recently though
[01:37] <Guest51098> sorry, I have the dock, but I want to get rid of the old menu bar
[01:37] <coz_> Guest51098,  the last panel you mean
[01:37] <Guest51098> the one that is on the top that allows you to access apps, admin, etc.
[01:37] <Guest51098> I think
[01:37] <Guest51098> to me it was the only panel
[01:37] <coz_> Guest51098,  right   the only way ... without breaking stuff is to install gnome-shell  for the ppa
[01:38] <coz_> I havent tried gnome-shell on lucid however
[01:38] <coz_> Guest51098,  or put the panel  on autohide
[01:38] <Guest51098> I have it on autohide but it still peeks through
[01:38] <Guest51098> it's kinda ugly :-P
[01:38] <coz_> and set background color to complete transparency
[01:38] <coz_> Guest51098,  yeah I know
[01:38] <Guest51098> lol
[01:39] <coz_> Guest51098, but removing the last panel has been a issue for several versions of ubuntu / gnome
[01:39] <Guest51098> I get gnome-shell from the software center?
[01:39] <Guest51098> yeah, the instructional i found was for 8.whatever
[01:39] <coz_> Guest51098,  I think there is a developer ppa for gnome-shell let me check
[01:40] <Guest51098> thanks, I also do not know what a PPA is -__-
[01:40] <BlkDrgn> anyone know where i can find help with 10.04 not booting?
[01:41] <coz_> Guest51098,  PPA = personal package archive
[01:41] <coz_> Guest51098,    http://ubuntuupdates.org/ppas/18
[01:41] <robin0800> BlkDrgn: check the cd md5 etc
[01:42] <coz_> Guest51098,  to run gnome-shell after installing   from either terminal with  gnome-shell --replace & disown  or from alt+F2  gnome-shell --replace
[01:42] <Guest51098> how do you make it so those commands run at starttime
[01:43] <Guest51098> also, any books that might be at a library on Linux/Debian/Gnome anyone knows of?
[01:43] <holstein> The following packages have unmet dependencies: gnome-shell: Depends: libgjs0 but it is not going to be installed
[01:43] <coz_> Guest51098,  i think you can set that in startup applications  not sure though
[01:43] <BluesKaj> sorry folks ...forgot I was still logged in , started cleaning the KB
[01:43] <holstein> E: Broken packages
[01:43] <BlkDrgn> i downloaded direct from ubuntu.com  both x86 and x64.. neithor will boot in.. freezes during load with eithor the "try first" or the "install" options
[01:43] <coz_> holstein,  sudo apt-get install -f
[01:43] <Guest51098> I tried doing some terminal commands but they didnt work...
[01:43] <holstein> coz_: what WHAT!
[01:43]  * holstein trying
[01:44] <mawst> How do I evoke that non free driver dialog?
[01:44] <Guest51098> I hate saying it because it seems like heresay, but I haven't been wowed by Ubuntu and found it very buggy so far
[01:44] <Guest51098> even when I ran 9.10
[01:44] <coz_> holstein,  you have missing dependecies   so you type   sudo apt-get install -f
[01:44] <robin0800> BlkDrgn: and have you checked the cd's?
[01:44] <coz_> Guest51098,  mm  interesting   I dont see many bugs  in karmic  but they are to be expected in lucid
[01:44] <Guest51098> like right now all of a sudden I can install updates
[01:44] <BlkDrgn> not exactly sure what to look for
[01:44] <Guest51098> and I ran su in the terminal
[01:44] <Guest51098> someone on the forums told me my hardware wasn't good for Ubuntu
[01:45] <holstein> coz_: i got the same result
[01:45] <Guest51098> it's fine for XP though
[01:45] <coz_> holstein,  mm
[01:45] <Guest51098> I just wanted a lighter OS
[01:45] <holstein> its been that way for a few weeks
[01:45] <Guest51098> anyway, I have class so I'm out
[01:45] <Guest51098> thanks for all the help
[01:45] <coz_> mawst,   I believe the command sould be   /usr/bin/jockey-gtk
[01:46] <coz_> holstein,  do a sudo apt-get update  && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  and also make sure you repositories are all open
[01:46] <mawst> Thanks coz_
[01:47] <gorgonzola> join #ubuntu
[01:47] <coz_> mawst,  no problem
[01:48] <coz_> holstein,  did you use this link to try it? http://ubuntuupdates.org/ppas/18?dist=karmic  there are pacakges there for both lucid and karmic
[01:48] <robin0800> BlkDrgn: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[01:49] <ninjai_> Can someone please tell me how I can map this: "echo $1 | sudo tee /sys/class/leds/asus\:\:kbd_backlight/brightness
[01:49] <ninjai_> " to the xev output I get? that command (given $1 cmd input) increases and decreases brightness on my keyboard backlight.  The keys do not function, other than giving me key codes in xev
[01:49] <holstein> i'll try that ppa coz_
[01:49] <BlkDrgn> i cant find the 10.04 hashes anywhere
[01:49] <ninjai_> sorry for long post
[01:49] <holstein> i added myself to the bug
[01:49] <EvilEpoch> hello all
[01:50] <EvilEpoch> I am running 10.04 64bit, and am getting a loader error about not finding the stdc++ lib, so i went to /usr/lib32 and symlinked the versioned lib to just libstdc++.so but the loader is still complaining
[01:50] <EvilEpoch> is theres something im missing regarding 32bit vs 64bit perhaps
[01:50] <coz_> holstein,  if that doesn work try this ppa
[01:50] <coz_> https://launchpad.net/~vperetokin/+archive/unofficial-gnome-shell
[01:51] <EvilEpoch> actually lemme try something
[01:52] <EvilEpoch> ahh indeed the EvilEpoch was mistaken and has figured it out
[01:52] <holstein> coz_: i guess i could just poke around and see if libgjs0 is in that PPA
[01:52] <robin0800> BlkDrgn: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04/
[01:53] <BlkDrgn> ty
[01:54] <BlkDrgn> iso md5 checks as same
[01:55] <BlkDrgn> and the "check cd for defects" menu option end clear too (already checked that)
[01:55] <coz_> holstein,  that second ppa is the one that works
[01:55] <coz_> holstein,  so remove the first one and add the repostories from the second link
[01:56] <nomnomnode> flash on ubuntu is a disgrace
[01:56] <g33kergRL> this is only for thunderbird?
[01:56] <nomnomnode> both karmic and lucid, it's worse than it ever was
[01:56] <g33kergRL> nomnomnode: r u talking about flashvideo viewers?
[01:57] <nomnomnode> flashplugin
[01:57] <g33kergRL> to watch things like youtube?
[01:57] <BlkDrgn> for reference.. 9.10 runs just fine
[01:57] <robin0800> BlkDrgn: and the burnt cd?
[01:57] <nomnomnode> g33kergRL, yep
[01:57] <g33kergRL> nomnomnode: then i agree
[01:57] <g33kergRL> completely
[01:57] <BlkDrgn> i didnt check the md5 on it..
[01:57] <nomnomnode> regularly buttons just don't respond
[01:57] <nomnomnode> or it crashes randomly
[01:58] <nomnomnode> and hogs CPU sometimes
[01:58] <g33kergRL> i had to download and update 328 MB of whatever but now it works
[01:58] <nomnomnode> flash?
[01:58] <robin0800> BlkDrgn: so the cd could still be faulty
[01:58] <BlkDrgn> is there a way to check it without having to reboot to run the check again?
[01:58] <g33kergRL> nomnomnode:  tbh, it was just a general update
[01:58] <Odd-rationale> There is already an extensive bug report on the flash issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/410407
[01:59] <g33kergRL> nomnomnode: i just installed 804
[01:59] <g33kergRL> like 2 hours ago
[01:59] <nomnomnode> Ubuntu 8.04?
[01:59] <g33kergRL> yes
[01:59] <g33kergRL> 910 didn't even have soudn
[02:00] <nomnomnode> ah that's kinda old
[02:00] <BlkDrgn> do i need to dump an iso from my cd?
[02:00] <g33kergRL> but stable
[02:00] <nomnomnode> but yeah, 9.10 had regresses
[02:00] <g33kergRL> regresses? r u french?
[02:00] <nomnomnode> nope
[02:00] <robin0800> BlkDrgn: no read that page above
[02:00] <nomnomnode> regressions..
[02:01] <nomnomnode> or going backwards? :P
[02:01] <nomnomnode> bugs getting unfixed :P
[02:01] <g33kergRL> i'll get 910 when its LTS
[02:01] <nomnomnode> 10.04 is LTS
[02:01] <g33kergRL> hmm
[02:02] <nomnomnode> the lucid release that is
[02:02] <g33kergRL> oh well, it works now, it took me 4 days with 4 hour per night of sleep, to install it, so ...
[02:02] <robin0800> g33kergRL: april 29th
[02:02] <nomnomnode> yeah
[02:03] <g33kergRL> robin0800: ??????
[02:04] <robin0800> g33kergRL: when its suposed to be released
[02:04] <g33kergRL> what does lts even mean
[02:05] <yofel> !lts
[02:05] <nomnomnode> Odd-rationale, thanks for that bug report link, I'm trying the third workaround
[02:05] <nomnomnode> also installing an update.. there's one again..
[02:05] <g33kergRL> !terminal
[02:05] <robin0800> g33kergRL: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule?action=show&redirect=LucidLynxSchedule
[02:07] <g33kergRL> k
[02:07] <g33kergRL> !wine
[02:07] <Odd-rationale> nomnomnode: it works for me...
[02:07] <g33kergRL> is there a central list of apps that can run in Wine?
[02:07] <holstein> coz_: nah
[02:08] <holstein> its not going to be an easy fix
[02:08] <coz_> holstein, ok
[02:08] <holstein> and its not included by default
[02:08] <holstein> SO, its probably WAY down the list
[02:08] <holstein> understandably so
[02:08] <nomnomnode> Odd-rationale, seems to work here too :)
[02:08] <nomnomnode> awesome
[02:08]  * holstein will try the first PPA too though
[02:10] <g33kergRL> what is so cool about ubuntu, is that i could chat on IR
[02:10] <g33kergRL> what is so cool about ubuntu, is that i could chat on IRC while installing hardy804 ...
[02:10] <BlkDrgn> ok.. iso made from my cd matches the md5 of the iso that matches the md5 listed on the site..
[02:10] <nomnomnode> yeah I love that too :)
[02:10] <g33kergRL> some dude talked me all the way thru it, when i ran it off an usb
[02:11] <BlkDrgn> so my next step to find why it wont boot past loading would be?
[02:11] <g33kergRL> not a liveCD but a LiveUSB install
[02:11] <robin0800> BlkDrgn: which cd is it?
[02:12] <ibkanat> how do I slow down my mouse in Lucid???
[02:12] <ibkanat> the panel does do enough
[02:12] <BlkDrgn> ubuntu-10.04-beta2-desktop-amd64.iso
[02:13] <robin0800> BlkDrgn: so thats a live cd
[02:13] <BlkDrgn> i guess lol
[02:14] <holstein> coz_: http://ubuntuupdates.org/ppas/18?dist=karmic works
[02:14] <robin0800> BlkDrgn: try an alternate cd easier to turn things off!
[02:14] <holstein> WELL, its letting me install at least
[02:14] <coz_> holstein, ok cool
[02:14] <holstein> theres a lot more packages in there though
[02:15] <ibkanat> xset m 1/2 doesnt help either
[02:15] <BlkDrgn> what makes the alternate different from the live?
[02:15] <holstein> coz_: thanks
[02:16] <robin0800> BlkDrgn: imho easier to use
[02:16] <ibkanat> anyone anyone??
[02:16] <z0rt> it's painted red, so it goes faster
[02:17] <ibkanat> z0rt??
[02:18] <BlkDrgn> ill give it a try as long as its not deminished in any form
[02:20] <z0rt> BlkDrgn: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04/
[02:20] <z0rt> scroll down to alternate, it tells you what is different :)
[02:21] <BlkDrgn> i never had a problem with any other release
[02:23] <yofel> the alternate disk uses the text-mode debian installed instead of the live session installer
[02:23] <yofel> *installer
[02:23] <BlkDrgn> i see.. so my issue might just be the installer and not the installation
[02:23] <yofel> BlkDrgn: and did you try a daily live disk?
[02:23] <BlkDrgn> daily live disc?
[02:24] <yofel> !daily
[02:24] <yofel> as beta2 is a bit old by now
[02:26] <ninjai_> is it possible to install encrypted lvm after my lucid install is already completed?
[02:27] <BlkDrgn> ill try the alt first.. and if that works then i think ill be good
[02:28] <denis-k> wow im getting atleast 5% more battery life to 10% in lucid, great job :)
[02:28] <z0rt> isn't it great!?
[02:29] <Zelda> Hello Everyone.
[02:29] <z0rt> hi!
[02:29] <denis-k> z0rt: yea
[02:30] <denis-k> and im so happy mark decided to be lenient to move the X window button to the corner
[02:30] <denis-k> would of been a disaster as far as editor/user reviews
[02:30] <denis-k> (the other way around)
[02:31] <denis-k>  /old way
[02:32] <Zelda> Hey where do I get the other backgrounds for Lucid. I dont have the rocks and the frog pic anymore... they are different ones.
[02:32] <ChogyDan> Has the shutdown button been moved to the left?  It would seem more consistent that way
[02:32] <denis-k> ChogyDan: no, how would it make it more consistent?
[02:33] <denis-k> then you would end up moving the gnome menu to the right ?
[02:33] <ChogyDan> denis-k: both on the left, right?
[02:33] <Zelda> I hate the way they moved the close buttons on the left.. its lame.
[02:33] <Zelda> I changed it back to the right.
[02:33] <denis-k> its not THAT bad...
[02:33] <Zelda> yes it is.
[02:33] <denis-k> easier to get used to from the other way..
[02:33] <denis-k> whatever
[02:34] <Zelda> not.
[02:34] <Zelda> its horrible. its like being told shes a virgin and she isnt.
[02:34] <Zelda> hahah
[02:34] <z0rt> sacrebleu!
[02:34] <Zelda> could you get used to that?
[02:34] <denis-k> yeah...ok
[02:34] <Zelda> hahahah
[02:34] <Zelda> crokie!
[02:35] <denis-k> thats a stupid relation
[02:35] <denis-k> lol
[02:35] <z0rt> i do not see how pseudo-virginity and x-window buttons correlate m8
[02:35] <denis-k> nothing to do with holes
[02:35] <Jordan_U> My father upgraded from karmic to lucid and didn't even notice there had been a change, I think people make far too much of it.
[02:35] <Zelda> Its lame..
[02:35] <Zelda> thats the correlation.
[02:35] <Zelda> I changed the theme and stuff already.
[02:35] <denis-k> no, the old order was lame
[02:36] <Zelda> whatever.. spock
[02:36] <denis-k> if you don't like it, change it, end of story,
[02:36] <z0rt> it's purple now
[02:36] <Zelda> er denis
[02:36] <z0rt> deal with it
[02:36] <Zelda> I like the purple
[02:36] <Zelda> dont like the buttons on the left though.
[02:36] <denis-k> k lets stop the liking and not liking...you can just change everything anyway
[02:36] <Zelda> yeah I know. I did already.
[02:36] <denis-k> its takes some more work
[02:36] <Tekno> its like "de facto" buttons are on the right
[02:36] <Tekno> but they changed it -,-
[02:36] <Zelda> I like the purple alot better then the brown/orange it usually is.
[02:37] <denis-k> yeah, atleast its sort of more 'lively'
[02:37] <denis-k> omg, my profs windows laptop is gonna do a auto reboot in 14min, she better not notice
[02:37] <denis-k> lol
[02:37] <Zelda> they also made it alot easier to install things and the "software center" is awesome
[02:38] <denis-k> ive actually never looked at the software center
[02:38] <z0rt> i still use command line for everything
[02:38] <denis-k> i like the music store though
[02:38] <Zelda> its cool. Its like the synaptic package manager, but easier to read.
[02:38] <Zelda> haha and find stuff
[02:38] <denis-k> dayum...its nicer now
[02:38] <Dr_Willis> I never plan on using the muzak store
[02:39] <denis-k> nobody does, but atleast its a source of revenue
[02:39] <denis-k> or most 'power users' wont ...
[02:39] <Zelda> I got a myTouch3g the other day, and I love it. Ubuntu recognizes it right off the bat. Its awesome.
[02:39] <Dr_Willis> But that can be the start of a bad trend. what next.. ads on the bootsplash? :)
[02:39] <denis-k> it knows my dream (android phone) too
[02:40] <z0rt> i have a palm pre and it's like my netbook and pre have always been best friends
[02:40] <Zelda> Ive got to get my phone "rooted"
[02:40] <z0rt> it's really easy
[02:41] <denis-k> i hate you
[02:41] <z0rt> hate is a strong word m8
[02:41] <denis-k> mines unrootable (stupid provider update blocked root)
[02:41] <z0rt> ouch
[02:41] <denis-k> never get an update from your provider..
[02:41] <denis-k> ever
[02:41] <z0rt> unless it's webOS
[02:41] <denis-k> because you dont know what it'll do... :(
[02:41] <denis-k> android>webos
[02:42] <z0rt> says the guy without ssh access to his phone!
[02:42] <denis-k> theres an app for that
[02:42] <denis-k> haha
[02:42] <z0rt> haha
[02:42] <denis-k> (and im not kidding)
[02:42] <denis-k> and RDP
[02:43] <denis-k> and snes roms
[02:43] <denis-k> but thats completely unrelated :P
[02:43] <z0rt> pre has that too
[02:43] <denis-k> well i guess webos and android are pretty close...its just which one will get more popular first..
[02:43] <z0rt|mobile> and did I mention irc?
[02:44] <denis-k> i have an app for that too
[02:44] <denis-k> and for skype
[02:44] <Zelda> hahah denis youre a moron
[02:44] <Zelda> hahah
[02:44] <Zelda> I just read the "theres an app for that"
[02:44] <Zelda> hahaha
[02:44]  * z0rt|mobile highfives denis
[02:44] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.
[02:46] <denis-k> no idea, never rooted
[02:46] <z0rt|mobile> if I ever got an apple device I would jailbreak it asap
[02:46] <denis-k> you can do more stuff rooted tho
[02:46] <Zelda> yeah I figured that.
[02:46] <denis-k> even install debian/ubuntu
[02:46] <Zelda> hm.
[02:46] <z0rt|mobile> install slackware on your coffee maker
[02:46] <Zelda> haha
[02:47] <Zelda> that would be interesting. .. Come ON Mr. Coffee...
[02:47] <Zelda> hahah
[02:47] <Zelda> "All Your Base, Belong to Us."
[02:48] <z0rt|mobile> kernel panic: out of beans
[02:48] <denis-k> i should pay attention to my programming prof...
[02:48]  * denis-k shuts off screen
[02:49] <Zelda> Hey is there a folder on the live cd where all the background pics are?
[02:51] <Dr_Willis> proberly /usr/share/backgrounds or similer.
[02:51] <Dr_Willis> once you got it booted up
[02:51] <Zelda> OK cool. Ill look
[02:56] <Zelda> ^maybe he got caught screwing off in class
[02:56] <Zelda> haha
[02:56] <denis-k> nah
[02:56] <denis-k> i was testing my hotkeys and pressed sleep
[02:56] <denis-k> sound hot keys dont work anymore in lucid
[02:56] <denis-k> or wifi
[02:56] <LordKow> the getting caught hotkey
[02:56] <Zelda> well that sucks.
[02:56] <Zelda> What brand?
[02:56] <denis-k> but atleast turn off display works, and didn't work before
[02:57] <denis-k> eee1005ha / asus netbook
[02:57] <Zelda> oh nice.
[02:57] <denis-k> yeah, they gots a new eee with an HD chip :D
[02:58] <Zelda> heh.
[02:59]  * DanaG would never get an iphone.
[03:00] <DanaG> I don't like the idea of having to "jailbreak" a thing.
[03:00] <DanaG> Just the fact that it's called that... implies something about the spirit of the device and company.
[03:01] <DanaG> Could not load image 'warty-final-ubuntu.png'.
[03:01] <DanaG> Fatal error reading PNG image file: Not a PNG file
[03:03] <denis-k> how about a phone you have to 'root'?
[03:03] <denis-k> haha
[03:03] <Zelda> I have one.
[03:04] <Zelda> <--- me me me!
[03:07] <LordKow> i think canonicals best marketing technique should be to prepend 'u' to all of their products :P
[03:08] <LordKow> uphone!
[03:08] <LordKow> okay there is a reason im not into marketing.
[03:10] <ninjai_> anyone know if its possible to use lvm encryption after ubuntu is installed?
[03:12] <Zelda> yeah, there is a reason that you arent into marketing :)
[03:12] <Zelda> you rendered everyone speechless.
[03:12] <valorie> has there been any movement on the sound issue for those of us who have lost sound?
[03:12] <Random832> so...
[03:12] <valorie> I checked the bug, but nothing there
[03:12] <Zelda> sounds like a sound plan to me.
[03:13] <Random832> installer doesn't make cylinder-aligned partitions - there's like 5MB of free space between each partition for no reason
[03:13] <Zelda> :)
[03:13] <Random832> screwed me up (since on my laptop i have to use lilo)
[03:13] <valorie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/558910
[03:13] <valorie> Zelda: you're killing me
[03:13] <valorie> 3 or 4 days without sound now
[03:13] <valorie> except the sound of my fan.....
[03:14] <Random832> I mean, I anticipated a difficult install process (this is take 3), but still
[03:14] <Zelda> LOL! :)
[03:15] <valorie> argh, and crimsun isn't around tonight either
[03:15] <ChogyDan> valorie: maybe try the daily livecd? see if it is still there
[03:16] <Zelda> do you have the partner sources checked?
[03:16] <valorie> I've update/upgraded 4 or 5 times today already
[03:16] <Zelda> I had to do that for a few things to get to work.
[03:16]  * valorie goes to look at source list
[03:19] <kubuku_> hmm. no sound problem here..updating daily..
[03:19] <Zelda> I havent had a sound issue either.
[03:20] <valorie> a few of us have, however
[03:20] <valorie> putting in my liveCD from the 4th -- no problems!
[03:20] <valorie> even in the TTY, using music123 -- no sound
[03:21] <valorie> booting from the previous kernel
[03:21] <valorie> etc.
[03:21] <valorie> I can't think of anything else to try
[03:22] <kubuku_> interesting..have you checked in systemsettings? test card?
[03:22] <denis-k> what the.....
[03:22] <holstein> valorie: whats alsamixer show?
[03:22] <Zelda> thats wouldnt make sense, if it works with previous versions.
[03:23] <Zelda> blacklisted?
[03:23] <denis-k> whats the difference when the the wifi icon is 'connecting' and it lights the lines up and down and when it only lights up, upwards
[03:23] <valorie> something happened a few days ago, and i can only assume an update of one sort or another
[03:23] <Zelda> yeah maybe they blacklisted your sound card.
[03:24] <valorie> oh rats, now kpackagekit is frozen
[03:24] <valorie> geez
[03:24]  * valorie goes back to good old synaptic
[03:25] <denis-k> ubuntu or kubuntu?
[03:25] <valorie> kubuntu
[03:25] <denis-k> :P
[03:25]  * holstein has experienced broken sound in KDE and not gnome
[03:25] <voss749> KDE lost me at 4.x
[03:25] <holstein> somehow
[03:26] <valorie> well, synaptic now offers to upgrade x.org
[03:26] <valorie> so perhaps.....
[03:26] <valorie> dunno though
[03:27] <Random832> MOTHERF*************!
[03:27] <denis-k> no you.
[03:27] <Random832> I redid my partitions _BY HAND_, so the installer wouldn't screw them up
[03:27] <Zelda> I dont use KDE i cant help. Im running Gnome
[03:27] <Random832> and it still did it!
[03:28] <denis-k> nice
[03:28] <denis-k> did you misclick the '/' part or something?
[03:28] <Random832> no it made the partitions not cylinder-aligned
[03:29] <Random832> maybe i didn't save the thing
[03:29]  * denis-k walks away slow because he doesn't know what that means
[03:29] <denis-k> you did it in gparted?
[03:30] <Random832> no, i used the installer
[03:30] <denis-k> oh..
[03:30] <denis-k> i dont think the installer saves
[03:30] <denis-k> it applies/saves right after you do it
[03:30] <Zelda> guess whos back?
[03:30] <Zelda> hah
[03:30] <valorie> I filed a bug about that
[03:31] <denis-k> after you change something in the partitions
[03:31] <valorie> but they didn't accept it
[03:31] <Zelda> yeah its not a bug.
[03:31] <valorie> said to file it in launchpad
[03:31] <valorie> hell yes it's a bug
[03:31] <valorie> I had to use the alternate installer
[03:31] <Random832> denis-k: the problem is i didn't _touch_ anything in the installer
[03:31] <z0rt> oh dear
[03:31] <denis-k> breaking news: you file bugs in launchpad
[03:31] <Random832> i must not have saved when i fixed it manually, so it was still picking up the old broken layout, that's all i can think of
[03:32] <valorie> well, it went to bugs.kde.org
[03:32] <denis-k> O_o
[03:32] <Zelda> "Check out the brain on Random832"
[03:32] <valorie> and evidently they can't move them to launchpad
[03:32] <Zelda> :)
[03:32] <valorie> to me, that's a bug TOO
[03:32] <Random832> Zelda: it's still a bug in the first place
[03:32] <Random832> i shouldn't have _had_ to fix them by hand
[03:32] <Zelda> depends on your definition of "bug"
[03:33] <denis-k> i did my partitions by 'hand'/from installer too
[03:33] <denis-k> it worked fine for me
[03:33] <Zelda> so did I.
[03:33] <denis-k> i still have 9.10 working fine..
[03:33] <denis-k> 10.04 is alot better for me in terms of stability and speed, but thats on my netbook
[03:34] <z0rt> sup netbook 10.04 buddy
[03:34] <Zelda> I need a lump sum of cash...
[03:34] <Zelda> anyone know where I can get that?
[03:34] <MTecknology> When I plug in an external drive, dmesg shows me that the drive and partitions are detected. I have pcmanfm installed and I want the new device to show up there so I can click and auto-mount the partition. The way I'm doing it now I have to drop to cli and manually mkdir && mount. What do I need to do for that to work?
[03:34] <IdleOne> Zelda: a job?
[03:34] <Zelda> ...
[03:34] <Zelda> I was looking for J.G. Wentworth...
[03:34] <denis-k> lump..sum? sell drugs
[03:34] <denis-k> or maybe not
[03:34] <Zelda> Its your money, use it when you need it.
[03:35] <valorie> here is my alsamixer: http://imagebin.org/93240
[03:35] <z0rt> sell ubuntu livecds
[03:35] <z0rt> no wait give them out free
[03:36] <denis-k> im gonna make a live cd collection :)
[03:36] <valorie> anybody know alsamixer well enough to tell me if anything looks wrong there?
[03:37] <kubuku_> kmix shud be enough for kubuntu
[03:37] <kubuku_> check if it's muted
[03:37] <valorie> sometimes it shows as muted, but unmuting does nothing
[03:37] <valorie> nothing muted now.....\
[03:37] <kubuku_> does your system wide no sound?
[03:38] <valorie> not a peep anywhere
[03:38] <valorie> not even in TTY
[03:38] <valorie> or on startup
[03:38] <valorie> for days now
[03:38] <valorie> running from liveCD, I have sound
[03:39] <valorie> Random832: I was unable to save my /home from the plain LiveCD
[03:39] <kubuku_> sometimes the drivers not loaded properly or some stuff conflicts like tv tuners
[03:39] <valorie> it was going to over-write no matter what
[03:39] <valorie> so I had to use the alternate installer
[03:40] <valorie> kubuku_: everything worked fine for 10 days
[03:40] <valorie> then: nothing
[03:41] <valorie> except sometimes an odd click or something when it should be starting to play something
[03:41] <valorie> it is def. software related
[03:41] <Random832> valorie: i backed up my /home before i even booted into it
[03:41] <valorie> because sound works when I run from the liveCD
[03:41] <Random832> since i just wanted to wipe everything
[03:41] <valorie> ah
[03:41] <valorie> well, I didn't
[03:42] <Random832> at this point i'm fully committed - if i don't make this work, i get no computer at all
[03:42] <valorie> wanted to wipe everything but windows and /home
[03:42] <valorie> and alternate let me do that
[03:45] <kubuku_> valorie: can't think of anything else..but lately there is a new device called jack audio connection kit. make sure it's not the default?
[03:46] <valorie> it is not
[03:46] <maco> JACK is for professional audio stuff
[03:46] <valorie> it used to be able to at least test it though
[03:46] <valorie> now it gives nothing just like everything else in the sound config
[03:47] <valorie> my cards are listed on top
[03:47] <valorie> pulseaudio is gone
[03:47] <kubuku_> pulseaudio seems replaced by that jack audio
[03:48] <valorie> no -- I've had good luck with PA before now
[03:48] <valorie> but blew it away just in case that was the problem
[03:48] <valorie> I can always reinstall it
[03:49] <valorie> but in any case, without sound I'm not much good to Amarok devels
[03:49] <CarlFK> using beta1 +upgrade: open some window (like shell), apps, accessories, take screenshot,grab the current window, Take Screenshot = no screen shot.
[03:49] <valorie> so this suchs
[03:49] <valorie> sucks
[03:49] <kubuku_> i remember before I have to install alsa-base to get sound from amarok
[03:49] <valorie> I just got a screenshot with ksnapshot
[03:49] <CarlFK> the 'take screenshot' window closes, and I don't get prompted for where to save
[03:50] <valorie> alsa-base is installed
[03:50] <valorie> here is my alsamixer: http://imagebin.org/93240
[03:50] <CarlFK> valorie:  stock ubuntu uses gnome-screenshot
[03:50] <valorie> just took that screenshot a few mins ago
[03:51] <valorie> right, but I use kubuntu
[03:51] <Zelda> dude! I cant close this stupid window!
[03:51] <CarlFK> valorie: did you select "grab the current window" ?
[03:51]  * holstein thought maybe PCM was turned down
[03:51] <valorie> no, region of window
[03:51] <holstein> during an update or something
[03:52] <CarlFK> that worked for me too.  grab the current window  is the problem
[03:52] <valorie> well, I don't know much about alsamixer
[03:52] <valorie> does anything seem wrong there?
[03:52] <Jordan_U> valorie: speaker is muted
[03:52] <Jordan_U> valorie: That's what the "MM" means
[03:53] <valorie> hmmm, that could be the problem
[03:54] <valorie> how do I change that?
[03:54] <Jordan_U> valorie: Select that channel and press 'm'
[03:55] <valorie> woah, that was it!!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:55] <valorie> thanks so much, Jordan_U
[03:55] <valorie> I now have sound
[03:56] <valorie> heh, system settings still crashes every time....
[03:56] <Jordan_U> valorie: You're welcome.
[03:56] <valorie> what is S/PDIF ?
[03:57] <valorie> should I mess with those for any reason?
[03:57] <Random832> it's a digital audio output
[03:57] <Random832> it's like a laser or fiber optic thing i think
[03:57] <valorie> hmmm
[03:57] <Random832> i tihnk you'll know if you have one and/or are using it
[03:58] <valorie> me either
[03:58] <Random832> the port has a little rubber flap over it
[03:58] <Random832> to stop the laser getting out
[03:59] <valorie> I don't see anything like that on this laptop
[03:59] <CarlFK> what is the bug report tool?
[03:59] <denis-k> ubuntu-bug
[03:59] <valorie> updating my bug report.....
[03:59] <kubuku_> valorie: glad to hear you have sound now
[03:59] <denis-k> use in terminal as ubuntu-bug [package name]
[04:00] <kubuku_> valorie: kmix is more intuitive though.. you just have to config what channels to show
[04:00] <Zelda> yum! poptarts! chocolate fudge
[04:00] <valorie> fixing kmix didn't help
[04:00] <valorie> unmuted that over and over again
[04:01] <kubuku_> well.. use what works..
[04:02] <valorie> of course, but the speaker shouldn't have been muted, so a bug remains
[04:03] <Zelda> Ill call the Orkin Man
[04:03] <denis-k> anybody know the exact date and time ship it is going to be open for 10.04?
[04:04] <kubuku_> wait..in the kmix icon mute?  when you click the kmix icon..click the mixer to show the channels
[04:04] <Zelda> no laughs or anything with that comment... interesting. Quiet crowd tonight.
[04:04] <denis-k> wtf is the Orkin Man
[04:05] <Random832> denis-k: an exterminator mascot
[04:05] <Zelda> the exterminator
[04:05] <denis-k> psh
[04:05] <Zelda> hahah you said you had a bug still
[04:05] <Zelda> You really have never heard of the Orkin Man?
[04:05] <denis-k> rings a bell
[04:05] <denis-k> and orkin won't help
[04:06] <denis-k> it'll just fry your computer :P
[04:06] <denis-k> he'll*
[04:06] <denis-k> but then i guess all your bugs would be gone
[04:06] <jdsbluedevl> some people in here don't live in the US
[04:06] <Zelda> i was correlating the Orkin Man with the "bug" you guys said you had...
[04:06] <denis-k> but then your left with a brick
[04:06] <denis-k> i know
[04:06] <Zelda> you mean iPoopd?
[04:06] <Zelda> er pod.
[04:06] <Zelda> :)
[04:08] <denis-k> does rhythmbox automatically skip songs that are on a device if they are already on it and is added to the device?
[04:08] <Zelda> dont think so.
[04:08] <denis-k> because it didn't skip when i 'forced' it to think my old phone was a audio device
[04:08] <CarlFK> what is the command for gathering/submitting a bug?
[04:08] <denis-k> it kept asking for overwrite
[04:08] <Zelda> well theres your answer.
[04:08] <Zelda> another Bug.
[04:08] <denis-k> ubuntu-bug [package name]
[04:08] <CarlFK> thanks
[04:08] <denis-k> np
[04:09] <Zelda> ubuntu-bug Butch
[04:09] <Zelda> hahaha
[04:09] <Zelda> King Sophia
[04:09] <z0rt> wot
[04:10] <Zelda> hahah thats off of How to Loose a Guy in 10 Days.
[04:10] <Zelda> forget about it.
[04:10] <CarlFK> what is the package name for gnome-screenshot?
[04:10] <denis-k> check system monitor
[04:11] <denis-k> when its running
[04:11] <denis-k> not package name
[04:11] <denis-k> whatever the programs name is called
[04:11] <denis-k> bug i guess a program can be called a package too
[04:11] <denis-k> :S
[04:11] <denis-k> but*
[04:11] <valorie> kubuku_: I did open up kmix
[04:11] <valorie> believe me
[04:11] <CarlFK> um... what?
[04:11] <valorie> and often found mute on
[04:11] <valorie> and unchecked it
[04:12] <valorie> but that made NO difference
[04:12] <etzerd> hello all
[04:12] <denis-k> system>admin>system monitor>processes
[04:12] <etzerd> when the RC will be out?
[04:13] <denis-k> 20 somethingith
[04:13] <denis-k> less than two weeks :P
[04:13] <denis-k> g o o g l e it
[04:13] <etzerd> denis-k you mean next week tuesday?
[04:13] <CarlFK> denis-k: that shows gnome-screenshot
[04:14] <denis-k> no i mean some day that is on the 20's
[04:14] <denis-k> not sure exactly, google is faster than asking here :)
[04:14] <denis-k> 29 April 2010
[04:14] <denis-k> exactly two weeks :)
[04:15] <denis-k> lots of time to fix those bugs, bugs bugs bugs..bugs....*echos off into the distant*
[04:15] <z0rt> i thought it was 27 apr
[04:15] <denis-k> unless wikipedia is lying for once..
[04:16] <z0rt> the ubuntu site has a whole calendar
[04:16] <z0rt> today (15 apr) for example was final freeze
[04:16] <denis-k> OH
[04:16] <denis-k> RC is 22nd
[04:16] <denis-k> sorry thought rc meant final
[04:16] <denis-k> final is 29
[04:17] <z0rt> wait, splinter cell conviction comes out for pc on 27 apr, my mistake 8)
[04:17] <denis-k> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule
[04:17] <Random832> and now there's nothing more i can do than see if it boots or not
[04:17] <z0rt> in any case i am looking forward to deploying lucid on all of my boxen
[04:18] <denis-k> i think im going to stick with LTS's from now on...
[04:18] <denis-k> seems too solid, after 9.04, even as a beta
[04:18] <denis-k> i mean
[04:18] <denis-k> 9.10
[04:22] <denis-k> or atleast the idea behind it*
[04:27] <user_ans> hi guys... I pulled in an update yesterday for my kubuntu 10.04 install with nvidia chipset. Boot happens OK, but on login, KDM just flashes.. goes black and throws me out to the login screen again. Previously there was some error about a .default.face not found - but now KDM.log shows errors about MTRR and no nvidia device found (even though nvidia is loaded - verified through VT)
[04:28] <dahud> How much is 10.04 expected to change in the next 2 weeks before release?  Can I install now without adverse effects?
[04:31] <Random832> so - didn't work
[04:42] <jdsbluedevl> is it just my system, or is anyone else having a CPU spike by PolicyKit?
[04:44] <jdsbluedevl> bug 426556
[04:59] <mawst> In doing a fresh install of Beta 2, I seem to have lost 3d Windows and Cube deformation in compiz settings manger... Ideas?
[05:21] <MistStlkr> Hey all.  Is there an updated HCL for Lucid that I am missing?
[05:29] <Random832> so - the grub that is set up when i install doesn't work
[05:29] <Random832> does anyone know how to troubleshoot this?
[05:30] <markl_> what is the symptom?
[05:32] <Random832> it gives some error message
[05:32] <Random832> i can't remember exactly, i'd have to reboot and then wouldn't be on irc anymore
[05:32] <Random832> is there a way to get a "simulated" boot?
[05:32] <Random832> but anyway i couldn't even get any commands or any help within the actuall boot prompt
[05:33] <Random832> something about 'error: out of disk'
[05:36] <Jordan_U> Random832: Most likely you have a buggy BIOS that can't read past a certain point in large disks
[05:37] <Random832> Jordan_U: my boot partition is 384MB.
[05:37] <Jordan_U> Random832: And is it at the beginning of the disk (note that just being partition #1 doesn't actually guarantee that it's at the beginning of the drive).
[05:38] <Random832> yes it is at the beginning of the disk
[05:38] <Random832> cylinders 1 through 48
[05:39] <Random832> i don't even remember the exact error - i do know it drops me to a "rescue prompt" where i have no idea how to do anything
[05:41] <Random832>         set root='(/dev/sda,1)'
[05:41] <Random832> is this right? what happened to (hd0,0) ?
[05:42] <Jordan_U> Random832: No, that is not right
[05:42] <Random832> then how the hell did it get there?
[05:42] <Jordan_U> Random832: Where?
[05:42]  * Random832 doesn't know how to fix whatever generates grub.cfg
[05:42] <Random832> that's in grub.cfg
[05:43] <Jordan_U> Random832: Can you pastebin your grub.cfg?
[05:44] <Random832> http://pastebin.com/3UN7F0sr
[05:45] <Random832> is there anything i can do to run a self check without rebooting, to maybe get more informative errors?
[05:45] <MistStlkr> the HCL on wiki.ubuntu.com does not list any AM3 motherboards... is that a matter of them just not being added yet, or is there a known issue with the AM3 boards in general?
[05:46] <Jordan_U> Random832: I have an idea why that is being added but it doesn't really matter, the root is set by uuid in the next line and you aren't even getting to the point where grub can read the grub.cfg.
[05:46] <Random832> is there any way for me to find out any information you can help me with?
[05:47] <Jordan_U> Random832: Try running this script: http://sourceforge.net/projects/bootinfoscript/
[05:47] <Random832> do i run it inside the chroot or out of it (i'm on the livecd now)
[05:48] <Jordan_U> Random832: Either should work, I'd run it outside the chroot.
[05:49] <Random832> http://pastebin.com/Gd4bnYXM - you can ignore the LILO stuff - i installed that after the _first_ time GRUB didn't work, and didn't reformat the partitions when i reinstalled
[05:50] <Random832> (it's what i was using with karmic, and it actually managed to load the kernel into memory, but that hung after a "bios data check successful", for the record
[05:54] <Random832> any ideas?
[05:57] <Random832> hmm - i think i only actually tried booting grub when i didn't have /boot as a separate partition
[05:57] <Random832> (i don't expect anything, but it's worth a try to get a fresh recall of the error message if nothing else)
[05:57] <Random832> brb
[06:02] <Random832> well.... that was a shocking waste of time
[06:02] <Random832> that would probably have worked on Karmic, too, when I think about it
[06:02]  * Random832 never considered that _grub_ might need a partition near the beginning of the disk - i assumed it was smart enough to not need the bios, so i only created it when i went to install LILO
[06:03] <Random832> you know, the installer should really detect the situation and create a /boot partition
[06:05] <user_ans> hi guys... I pulled in an update yesterday for my kubuntu 10.04 install with nvidia chipset. Boot happens OK, but on login, KDM just flashes.. goes black and throws me out to the login screen again. Previously there was some error about a .default.face not found - but now KDM.log shows errors about MTRR and no nvidia device found (even though nvidia is loaded - verified through VT)
[06:07] <Jordan_U> Random832: There is no way to detect BIOS bugs from a booted system
[06:08] <Random832> ok
[06:08] <Jordan_U> Random832: grub has it's own pata drivers if you choose to use them (to work around bios bugs like this) but BIOS calls are used by default.
[06:09] <Random832> why's that the default?
[06:10] <Random832> well i'm just glad i'm not stuck using lilo forever anymore
[06:11] <mawst> In doing a fresh install of Beta 2, I seem to have lost 3d Windows and Cube deformation in compiz settings manger... Ideas?
[06:11] <Jordan_U> Random832: Because grub doesn't have SATA drivers yet, and its USB drivers still need some maturing among other things.
[06:12] <Random832> ok
[06:26] <m0ar> I got an annoying problem last night, efter a dist-upgrade. Opera started using a diffrent, monospace font without me touching it in operas settings.
[06:34] <bullgard4> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=gvfs-gdm-volume-monitor&mode=exactfilename&suite=lucid&arch=any: "You have searched for files named gvfs-gdm-volume-monitor in suite lucid, all sections, and all architectures. Sorry, your search gave no results." But my Lucid computer reports: "Sorry the program gvfs-gdm-volume-monitor closed unexpectedly." Can explain this...
[06:34] <bullgard4> ...contradiction?
[06:36] <user_ans> oh man.. the last -21 update changes /tmp permissions: I had to do "chmod ug+rwx,o+rwt /tmp" to fix it and even log in to desktop
[06:36] <bullgard4> m0ar: I think you better look in Launchpad if your bug is reported yet or, if not, report it to Launchpad.
[06:38] <Random832> crap - i right-clicked the envelope icon to remove from the panel, and it removed the battery and volume too
[06:39] <Random832> and i don't know what the thing's called to get it back
[06:40] <DanaG> "indicator applet (complete)"
[06:40] <DanaG> or something like that.
[06:41] <Random832> how do i get it so it's locked to the right side of the panel again
[06:41] <Random832> (so that if stuff shrinks it sticks to the right instead of leaving a gap)
[06:41] <DanaG> you can middle-drag it to move it, and right click and select "lock to panel"
[06:41] <Random832> right, but it doesn't lock to the _right side_
[06:42] <DanaG> Though, Gnome's idea of "locked" is rather weird...
[06:42] <ddecator> getting it back into the same place may require resetting the panel
[06:42] <Random832> the applets start out on the right side, so if i remove one or one becomes smaller it closes the gap
[06:42] <Random832> how can i reset the panel?
[06:42] <DanaG> if the gnome devs made door locks... you'd lock your door when you went off to work... and then come home to find it on the other side of the house --- still locked.
[06:42] <ddecator> theres a file you remove, but i can't remember which on off hand...
[06:42] <ddecator> one*
[06:42] <ddecator> let me try to find it
[06:43] <DanaG> gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel
[06:43] <DanaG> that's a brute-force way.
[06:43] <Random832> DanaG: um, that killed both panels
[06:43] <Random832> thanks a lot ;P
[06:43] <ddecator> run gnome-panel
[06:43] <Random832> i want the default settings back, not _nothing_
[06:43] <Random832> ddecator: still nothing
[06:43] <ddecator> or logout and back in
[06:44] <DanaG> hmm, killall gnome-panel, then do gconftool again
[06:44] <Random832> ok that worked
[06:44] <DanaG> then re-run gnome-panel
[06:44] <Random832> well, killing it worked
[06:44] <ddecator> ah, there you go
[06:44] <Random832> it came back right after that
[06:44] <DanaG> cool.
[06:44] <Random832> there should be configuration for making stuff stick to the right side though
[06:44] <Random832> what if i want to add something there
[06:45] <ddecator> maybe see if there is a feature request on lp?
[06:48] <Random832> how do i fix the button layout with compiz?
[06:48] <Random832> wait a minute - this is weird
[06:49] <Random832> i _had_ semitransparent stuff with metacity - then i panicked and did metacity --replace when my cursor settins wouldn't take, and it's back to ugly
[06:49] <Random832> which is the default in lucid?
[06:50] <Random832> it didn't even work - anyone know a way to make the cursor theme change without logging off and back on?
[06:51] <user_sym> hey guys .. vote for this bug. A huge number of problems will be solved by this http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=234484
[07:00] <SandGorgon> somebody please make a version of 10.04 without Plymouth and I have 10 bucks right here for them - I was happy as hell with the 9.10 boot
[07:01] <m0ar> SandGorgon: Still having problems?
[07:01] <ddecator> plymouth is finally starting to work properly for me, haha
[07:02] <m0ar> SandGorgon: Plymouth is a program just as everything else, "sudo apt-get purge plymouth" if you really don't want it
[07:04] <litropy> hi, peeps - is there a list of lucid lynx changes that's not the quirky mailing list? I'd be okay with an unofficial list.
[07:04] <ddecator> that'd be a big list..
[07:05] <litropy> primary changes.
[07:05] <litropy> oh, hey!
[07:05] <litropy> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+specs
[07:06] <litropy> thanks, self!
[07:15] <bullgard4> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=gvfs-gdm-volume-monitor&mode=exactfilename&suite=lucid&arch=any: "You have searched for files named gvfs-gdm-volume-monitor in suite lucid, all sections, and all architectures. Sorry, your search gave no results." But my Lucid computer reports: "Sorry the program gvfs-gdm-volume-monitor closed unexpectedly." Can explain this...
[07:16] <bullgard4> ...contradiction?
[07:17] <ddecator> it's not showing up in synaptic for me
[07:20] <ddecator> bullgard4: when do you get that error? is it an apport crash?
[07:20] <bullgard4> ddecator: I got it this morning when I switched on my Thinkpad T43 laptop computer.
[07:21] <bullgard4> ddecator: Last night I visited a local computer club.
[07:21] <bullgard4> ddecator: Define "apport crash".
[07:22] <ddecator> bullgard4: does that show up with a red '!' in the panel?
[07:24] <bullgard4> ddecator: It did not show up with a red"!" in the panel. Rather a blue symbol having a jagged red outline.
[07:25] <ddecator> ah, that was probably still apport (i can't remember what the icon looks like exactly...), anyway did it give you the option to report the issue?
[07:27] <bullgard4> ddecator: Unfortunately not. Ubuntu 10.04 Beta 2 reported: "Sorry the program "gvfs-gdu-volume-monitor" closed unexpectedly. The program cannot be reported. The program crashed on an assertion failure, but the message could not be retrieved. Apport does not support reporting these crashes."
[07:27] <ddecator> huh, so that doesn't help us narrow things down..
[07:28] <bullgard4> ddecator: Yes, unfortunately. Therefore I turned here for help. I need to know the package which includes this program.
[07:29]  * ddecator unfortunately has no idea...
[07:38] <dr3mro> hey guys i wanna ask q?? why spidermonkey-bin was removed from official ppa in lucid
[07:39] <ddecator> what PPA was it a part of?
[07:40] <dr3mro> ddecator, sorry mistyped ppa i mean repositories
[07:41] <ddecator> ah, i was going to suggest contacting the maintainers of the PPA, but i'm not sure why it got dropped from the repos
[07:42] <dr3mro> ddecator, i use plowshare shell script to download from rapidshare and other free hosting services but it need spidermonkey bin as a dependency ... is there a lucid alternative ???
[07:44] <litropy> network manager asks me for my pw to unlock the keyring for the WPA key upon bootup. how do I get it to just open the keyring without authenticating?
[07:45] <ddecator> dr3mro: not sure, let me look around a minute
[07:47] <Slart> !find gvfs-gdu-volume-monitor
[07:47] <dr3mro>  !find gvfs-gdu-volume-monitor
[07:47] <Slart> bullgard4: see above
[07:48]  * ddecator needs to learn those bot commands >.>
[07:48] <Slart> or use apt-file, same function
[07:49] <ddecator> dr3mro: i asked the mozilla team, but this is a slow time of night so idk if i'll hear back tonight
[07:52] <joaopinto> good morning
[07:53] <EagleScreen> good morning too
[07:53] <dr3mro> ddecator,ok i now use ubuntu karmic packages but its a bad idea i like to have all my packages manager by the synaptic :()
[07:54] <tapan_chugh> heel
[07:54] <ddecator> dr3mro: understandable. i just don't know if it got dropped, or incorporated in a different package
[07:56] <dr3mro> so ddecator ok i will wait
[07:57] <ddecator> dr3mro: otherwise you might get an answer in #ubuntu-mozillateam some other time
[07:57] <artnay> is there any way to obtain alpha 1 or alpha 2 and/or daily builds between those alphas? I'm asking this because of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/560306 - 5xxx GPUs are the most sold separate GPUs at the moment so I think the importance of this bug is high
[07:57] <artnay> I have 5750 in one of my computers and the daily builds worked fine after alpha1 until this bug occured before alpha2
[07:57] <tapan_chugh> hello i am using ubuntu beta 2 and it takes a lot of time to boot
[07:57] <artnay> I'd like to track down the last working daily build so the bug could be addressed more specifically
[07:57] <tapan_chugh> please help
[07:57] <ddecator> tapan_chugh: might be plymouth..
[07:57] <iconmefisto> bug 536950
[07:58] <tapan_chugh> well i tried booting in the recovery mode and still it takes a lot of time
[08:00] <tapan_chugh> please help me
[08:01] <ddecator> i would if i understood eveything that happens during bootup better
[08:05] <tapan_chugh> ddecator here is the boot log http://pastebin.ca/1862928
[08:07] <sean_> So could anyone walk me through how to install a splash screen?
[08:07] <tapan_chugh> ddecator does that help
[08:08] <iconmefisto> tapan_chugh: are you running livecd?
[08:08] <tapan_chugh> nope i have it installed
[08:09] <ddecator> tapan_chugh: i'm looking at it, but i'm not familiar with everything on there. it looks like ata1 is eating up a lot of the time, but i'm honestly not sure what that is
[08:09] <EagleScreen> sean_: splash screen for boot process?
[08:09] <ddecator> EagleScreen: beat me to it =p
[08:09] <sean_> yeah, like where you login at
[08:09] <iconmefisto> tapan_chugh: lots of references to sr0 there. is there a disc in one of your cd/dvd drives when you are booting?
[08:10] <tapan_chugh> yes
[08:10] <EagleScreen> it is installed by default in Ubuntu lucid, but you won't see it due to a bug in the playmouth package
[08:10] <ddecator> more bugs in plymouth? -_-
[08:11] <EagleScreen> currently the boot splash (plymouth) starts after X server, so we only see it during a half second or so
[08:11] <EagleScreen> there are more importants bug in plymouth to fix, then this issue is postponed
[08:12] <sean_> well, I am talking about the screen that you see after everything loads and you have to type in your password to log in to lucid.
[08:12] <EagleScreen> gdm?
[08:12] <sean_> I guess so yeah the login screen
[08:13] <sean_> I always thought it was called the splash screen
[08:13] <ddecator> ah, theming gdm involves editing conf files
[08:13] <EagleScreen> not, it is called session manager
[08:13] <EagleScreen> or display manager
[08:14] <EagleScreen> gdm = Gnome Display Manager; kdm = KDE Display Manager
[08:14] <sean_> oh, okay then cool the session manager, so how do I go about changing that screen?
[08:14] <EagleScreen> in Gnome.. there must be some tool to con figure it
[08:14] <ddecator> not like there used to be..
[08:15] <EagleScreen> i am a more KDE user, so I can't help so much with this
[08:16] <tapan_chugh> ddecator what about my problem ?
[08:16] <ddecator> tapan_chugh: does taking out the cd help at all?
[08:17] <tapan_chugh> i don't know. Let me try
[08:17] <ddecator> sean_: i can't guarantee this will work since it was written for karmic, but if you want to try it's your call: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/10/change-karmic-gdm.html
[08:17] <sean_> I guess that I dont understand the difference between gnome or kde, I am assuming those are the enviornments in which the ubuntu distros run?  which is lucid?
[08:18] <sean_> I tried that ddecator, it didnt work
[08:18] <ddecator> sean_: yah, Ubuntu is GNOME, Kubuntu is KDE, etc.
[08:18] <ddecator> sean_: then idk how to theme it unfortunately =\
[08:18] <sean_> oh, okay that makes sense now
[08:19] <larsivi> sean_: gnome and kde are upper level view that both function over the same lower level lucid
[08:19] <joaopinto> sean_, check some screenshots, you will not the difference between GNOME and KDE :P
[08:19] <sean_> okay well thanks...  How about making my games run normally instead of all choppy, can you help me with that issue, or is that a graphics card issue or something, cause I have a 2.8 ghz comp with 1.5 gig ram
[08:20] <ddecator> graphics driver
[08:20] <joaopinto> sean_, are you using a 3d capable driver ?
[08:20] <sean_> well to be honest I have an onboard intel 865 chipset graphics card, and can't for the life of me find drivers for it
[08:21] <joaopinto> oh, intel, that sounds choppy  for games
[08:21] <tapan_chugh> ddecator removing the cd does not help in anyway
[08:21] <sean_> So I guess that I have the lucid generic graphic drivers
[08:22] <ddecator> tapan_chugh: is it slow before gdm, or after?
[08:22] <tapan_chugh> before gdm
[08:22] <tapan_chugh> as soon as it bypasses the grub
[08:22] <tapan_chugh> the cursor sits blinking there for about 1 minute
[08:22] <sean_> i would love more than anything to be able to play regnum online or nexius ya know lol
[08:23] <tapan_chugh> then suddenly the splash screen comes and goes away very quickly
[08:23] <joaopinto> tapan_chugh, have you tried to boot into recovery mode ?
[08:23] <EagleScreen> tapan_chugh: can you use the CD drive when Ubuntu is started?
[08:23] <tapan_chugh> joapinto i tried booting in the recovery mode and it is still takes that much time
[08:24] <tapan_chugh> EagleScreen yes i am able to use the CD drive when ubuntu is started
[08:24] <ddecator> sean_: do you have xserver-xorg-video-intel installed?
[08:25] <sean_> you know I am not sure about that ddecator
[08:25] <sean_> I am still somewhat on the new side of all this linux stuff
[08:25] <ddecator> sean_: well we always welcome new users =)
[08:25] <ddecator> sean_: can you check to see if it's installed? idk if it is by default or not..
[08:26] <sean_> would I check that through the synaptic package manager?
[08:26] <ddecator> you can, yes
[08:29] <sean_> well according to synaptic package manager it is installed, there is also a xserver-xorg-video-intel-dbg that seems its not installed but the intel one itself is
[08:29] <ddecator> -dbg is only useful if you're trying to get a backtrace
[08:30] <valorie> -dbg is a debugging package
[08:30] <ddecator> hm, well i think that's the driver for intel if i remember correctly. anyone here with an intel graphics card that can confirm?
[08:30] <tapan_chugh> so anybody can you guys help me
[08:31] <EagleScreen> yes it is
[08:31] <sean_> I know that my movies run seemlessly, but just my games are way choppy!
[08:31] <ddecator> are they flash games?
[08:32] <sean_> they are that game called Nexius, and regnum online
[08:32] <EagleScreen> sean_: install mesa-utils
[08:32] <sean_> dont know if they are flash or not
[08:32] <sean_> how do i do that eagle?
[08:32] <ddecator> tapan_chugh: sorry, i wish i was more help, but i'm not familiar enough with the boot system to know what you can possibly do to reduce boot times =\
[08:32] <tapan_chugh> ok
[08:32] <EagleScreen> sean_: synaptic or sudo aptitude install mesa-utils
[08:33] <sean_> ok
[08:34] <EagleScreen> tapan_chugh: file a bugreport
[08:34] <beij> hi
[08:34] <ddecator> beij: hey
[08:35] <beij> is there is something that worries me
[08:35] <beij> - is
[08:35] <ddecator> which is?
[08:35] <beij> why is there plymouth in 10.4
[08:35] <sean_> says that mesa-utils already the newest version
[08:35] <ddecator> -_-
[08:35] <EagleScreen> sean_: run glxgears
[08:35] <ddecator> beij: supposed to be a nicer looking and faster boot splash..
[08:36] <ddecator> buggy though..
[08:36] <sean_> again i apologize but how do i do that?
[08:36] <beij> ddecator, tha was not my point :p
[08:36] <beij> why not xsplash
[08:36] <ddecator> sean_: no need to apologize =)
[08:36] <erghezi> i cant enable visual effects
[08:36] <EagleScreen> sean_: open a terminal and type glxgears
[08:37] <ddecator> erghezi: do you have your graphics driver installed?
[08:37] <sean_> okay what now?
[08:37] <ddecator> beij: no idea, i wish they would have stuck with it. i'm sure they had their reason though...i hope they did =p
[08:37] <erghezi> ddecator yes
[08:38] <erghezi> ddecator  195.36.15
[08:38] <ddecator> erghezi: what happens when you try to enable them?
[08:38] <EagleScreen> plymouth is working well in Fedora Core, so it should also does in Ubuntu, but some bugs are breaking it
[08:38] <ddecator> EagleScreen: just a bit =p
[08:39] <EagleScreen> I think plymouth change should have been postponed to 10.10
[08:39] <erghezi> ddecator it seems to enable. but when i open visual effect agine, radio box is on the none
[08:39] <sean_> it says anywhere from 3118 to 1252 frames in 5.0 seconds if that is what you were wondering...  I dont know what all that means
[08:39] <beij> i wa sjust surprised first there was a statement :" we will rewrite the splash from scratch and it will be better than anything else" and then i read "oo well we use plymouth now" :p
[08:39] <EagleScreen> sean_: and can you see gears moving ?
[08:40] <ddecator> erghezi: odd...are you trying to use compiz at all or just use the pre-set options in Appearance?
[08:40] <sean_> yeah they were moving seemlessly
[08:40] <EagleScreen> I think that is the best your graphics card can work, sean_
[08:41] <ddecator> if the games are flash, that may be a whole separate issue
[08:41] <sean_> so does that mean that I pretty much need a new graphics card to run those games?
[08:41] <ddecator> flash games don't work that great on my system..
[08:41] <EagleScreen> sean_: whuch games?
[08:41] <beij> flash games basically dont use the graphics card
[08:42] <sean_> Nexius, and Regnum online
[08:42] <beij> at least nothing like opengl :p
[08:42] <LuckySMack> i have noticed that since i have started using lucid, the file path in nautilus isnt hand editable anymore. I can no longer click next to the path and enter in the path i want by typing it in. did something change?
[08:42] <erghezi> ddecator i install compize settings too
[08:42] <EagleScreen> sean_: are you using the 64 bits version of Ubuntu?
[08:42] <sean_> that I am unsure of, How would figure that out?
[08:42] <SandGorgon> does anybody know how to stop mysql from starting at startup each time ?
[08:42] <ddecator> erghezi: if you make changes with compiz, do they work?
[08:43] <EagleScreen> sean_: uname -a
[08:43] <sean_> i686 GNU/linux
[08:43] <EagleScreen> sean_: dpkg --print-architecture
[08:44] <ddecator> well 32-bit doesn't usually have much trouble with flash..
[08:44] <erghezi> ddecator dont work anything
[08:44] <defswork> LuckySMack, Ctrl-L
[08:44] <ddecator> erghezi: and you checked that the driver is enabled?
[08:44] <sean_> i386
[08:44] <beij> the 64 bit flash beta works pretty well for me
[08:44] <EagleScreen> it is 32 bits sean_
[08:45] <ddecator> beij: tsk tsk, non-repo flash =p
[08:45] <sean_> is that good or bad?
[08:45] <defswork> LuckySMack, not been editable by click for longer than lucid - on karmic here and its not
[08:45] <EagleScreen> sean_: that is good if your RAM is less than 4 GB
[08:45] <LuckySMack> defswork, thanks. but im kind of bummed i cant just click there anymore
[08:45] <beij> the repo flash wanted to install a whole 32 bit subsystem
[08:45] <erghezi> ddecator in hardware driver , my driver is Enable
[08:45] <defswork> LuckySMack, shucks
[08:45] <LuckySMack> defswork, i just cam from karmic and i was able to do it
[08:45] <sean_> so basically my issue is going to be the graphics card itself then huh?
[08:45] <EagleScreen> yes beij, the 64 bits flash beta is the better choice, also for me
[08:46] <sean_> Yeah I only have 1.5 gig ram
[08:46] <EagleScreen> I dont know sean_
[08:46] <ddecator> erghezi: and you've restarted since the driver was enabled?
[08:46] <LuckySMack> i would just click just beyond the end of the last path name and it would edit like ctrl+L
[08:46] <defswork> LuckySMack, if you biggest problem is having to do ctrl-l to edit file manager path then I don't think you are in too bad a position
[08:46] <erghezi> ddecator yes:D
[08:47] <LuckySMack> defswork, heh, no ctrl+L is doable
[08:47] <sean_> well I certainly apreciate you guys trying to help me!  I actually learned a little bit about this too, so thank you for that!!
[08:47] <ddecator> erghezi: should be working fine then o.o
[08:47] <defswork> I was wrong btw - on karmic the edit button is there
[08:47] <ddecator> erghezi: please look on launchpad to see if a bug has been filed for that. if not, then please make a new one =)
[08:48] <erghezi> ddecator  ok
[08:48] <defswork> I'm just so used to ctrl-l - mouses are for people with two fingers only
[08:48] <LuckySMack> defswork, hah and yea its far from my biggest problem. thanks though. just one of those little things.
[08:48] <LuckySMack> heh
[08:48] <LuckySMack> yea
[08:48] <LuckySMack> i try to remember KB shortcuts but im so used to the mouse i just use it
[08:49] <erghezi> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9120666
[08:49] <defswork> productivity halves when you introduce a mouse
[08:49] <erghezi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/554106
[08:49] <LuckySMack> very true
[08:49] <sean_> here is another question what about Directx?  How can I get that installed?
[08:50] <sean_> through WINE?
[08:50] <LuckySMack> my friends still dont understand why half the stuff i prefer to do in ubuntu and on my server is in the CLI. just doesnt make sense to them. they think it makes everything take longer
[08:50] <LuckySMack> then when i finish first theyre confused
[08:50] <ddecator> LuckySMack: heh, if you know the commands, things can go really fast with cli
[08:51]  * defswork still has big issue with laptop not booting lucid  - hangs at spash screen (even though I booted with nosplash)
[08:51] <Slart> sean_: I'm not entirely sure about this.. but doesn't wine implement some of the directx stuff? ie you shouldn't install it yourself
[08:51] <LuckySMack> on a normal day, not doing much server side stuff about 1/4 of what i do is in cli
[08:52] <defswork> 1/4 ? 99% here
[08:52] <erghezi> ddecator i fix it :D
[08:52] <Slart> defswork: you've tried all the noacpi noapic stuff?
[08:52] <LuckySMack> and i knowi could do more. just used to GUI so it doesnt bother me
[08:52] <LuckySMack> lol
[08:52] <ZykoticK9> LuckySMack, in addition to CTRL+L to show the address bar in nautilus you can also just press start typing with a "/" to get it
[08:52] <LuckySMack> well when im "working" its about 90% for me
[08:52] <erghezi> ddecator i run  sudo apt-get install compiz
[08:52] <ddecator> erghezi: great! =)
[08:52] <sean_> I am not too sure but one of my games said that I didnt have the latest directx installed
[08:52] <sean_> it was Regnum online
[08:52] <defswork> Slart, no - from what I've read it's a plymouth/ureadahead/fsck issue
[08:53] <beij> by the way cli... is there a way way to have a background in tty? much like tty in suse?
[08:53] <defswork> though i'm certain no fsck needed atm
[08:53] <LuckySMack> ZykoticK9, ah thanks
[08:53] <Slart> defswork: hrmpf.. plymouth is the pretty picture you get when booting?
[08:54] <defswork> Slart, yes - pointless waste of time imho
[08:54] <defswork> but I cant remove it - it wants to remove most of the system too
[08:54] <ZykoticK9> sean_, are you sure you used the linux install for regnum?
[08:54] <Slart> defswork: seems like it's causing so much problems.. I wonder if it will be worth it in the end
[08:55] <defswork> it I boot with quiet removed and nospash added I still get the spash
[08:55] <ZykoticK9> sean_, http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/gaming/regnum-online
[08:55] <almoxarife> has the nautilus action/network bug been fixed?
[08:55] <defswork> and I dont know how to see what it's doing on this spash screen - not alt ttys work
[08:56] <sean_> uh yeah I think the filename was  RegnumOnlineInstall_32
[08:56] <Slart> defswork: ahm.. it's spelled   splash  .. not sure if that was a typo in here or not
[08:56] <defswork> aye
[08:56] <Slart> =)
[08:58] <defswork> hmm - booted now
[08:58] <defswork> another random act of ubuntu
[08:59] <BUGabundo_remote> hi hi kangoro
[08:59] <BUGabundo_remote> what the heck happened last night? I thought we were in FF
[08:59] <BUGabundo_remote> I got a BUNCH of updates this morning
[08:59] <BUGabundo_remote> where all of those FFe ?
[08:59] <beij> ubuntu does not do anything random
[09:00] <defswork> surely this plymouth thing really isnt worth the grief ?
[09:01]  * ddecator doesn't understand why it's such a big deal when the goal is a sub-10-sec boot..
[09:01] <ddecator> might as well just show a static picture for a boot splash =p
[09:02] <defswork> I rather seen nothing that this low rez clunky looking purple thing that hangs my laptop
[09:02] <ddecator> it's finally a better res for me
[09:03] <ddecator> still bigger than it should be though..
[09:03] <BUGabundo_remote> ddecator: because ppl like me , reboot two or 3 times per day
[09:04] <erghezi> ubuntu cant detect mic
[09:04] <BUGabundo_remote> and something that takes almost 2 min to be useful, gets me pissed
[09:04] <defswork> BUGabundo_remote, and you want to see pretty picture ?
[09:04] <BUGabundo_remote> no!
[09:04] <BUGabundo_remote> black TTY is enough for me
[09:04] <defswork> so does plymouth bring anything more ?
[09:05] <ddecator> not that i know of..
[09:06] <defswork> from what I remember karmic used to boot nicely with animated intro before login
[09:06] <ddecator> yah, xsplash seemed lighterweight
[09:06] <defswork> (i onlyhave karmic on this pc and I boot it less than once a year)
[09:07] <Bigbrumbrum> hello :) I got some really serious problems...
[09:07] <ddecator> Bigbrumbrum: well lets hear 'em =)
[09:07] <Bigbrumbrum> ubuntu dosent detect any disks or usb-drives, at all.
[09:08] <Bigbrumbrum> i had some issues with gnome-disk-utility, and after that, nothing works, windows wont boot in grub, etc
[09:09] <ddecator> well that is a serious issue..
[09:09] <Bigbrumbrum> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-disk-utility/+bug/562470
[09:10] <ddecator> well at least there is a crash report..
[09:11] <ddecator> not a ton of info in the straces though..
[09:12] <ddecator> anyway, i'm not sure how to recover windows on grub, i know there is a way though
[09:12] <LuckySMack> so i came from karmic where i was dual bootin with windows7 and karmic just fine. after installing lucid i am no longer able to log into windows. i just get a blinking cursor. someone mentioned that a "sudo update-grub" should fix it. but i still get the same issue. I get the blinking cursor tryingto boot into windows. So how else can i try and fix it?
[09:12] <Bigbrumbrum> i have that issue to lucky
[09:13] <LuckySMack> hrmm, have you figured anything out yet?
[09:14] <Bigbrumbrum> No, im looking for the config-grub command, but i cant find it...
[09:14] <LuckySMack> well when in grub (and running update-grub) it does see the windows installation for me. i dont have any issues with it not seeing devices
[09:14] <LuckySMack> ah ok
[09:15] <Bigbrumbrum> I got issues whit my device, biiig issues... http://i.imagehost.org/view/0804/Screenshot-Information_aboutdev-sda1
[09:15] <ddecator> wow..
[09:16] <BigMack84> Bigbrumbrum, damn
[09:16] <BigMack84> see and for that i would say boot into windows and run chkdisk
[09:17] <Bigbrumbrum> well, thats the problem, windows wont boot ^^
[09:17] <ddecator> that may require using a live cd and running the chkdsk mentioned on there after mounting the harddrive, but idk for sure if that's what you need to do. i've never run into that =\
[09:18]  * Bigbrumbrum loves my external-sATA-disk hub right now
[09:19] <Bigbrumbrum> snap
[09:19] <Bigbrumbrum> Windows freezez when i plug in that device...
[09:19] <Bigbrumbrum> i think i got a dead hdd...
[09:20] <beij> the window or MS windows freezes :p
[09:20] <beij> fsck ma yhelp
[09:20] <Bigbrumbrum> i dont like fsck :P
[09:20] <beij> i said the word .. shame on me
[09:20] <ddecator> but if it saves your info, haha
[09:21] <beij> yes | fsck /dev/xxx
[09:21] <vish> hmm , weather doesnt get displayed in the panel :s
[09:21]  * ddecator disables that anyway
[09:21] <ddecator> =p
[09:21] <beij> i take bets if it destroys your data or not
[09:24] <Bigbrumbrum> hmm, once i knew a command to copy a whole partition onto another disk...
[09:24] <Bigbrumbrum> anyone?
[09:24] <DASPRiD> hm, dd?
[09:24] <ddecator> i suppose cp wouldn't do it? =p
[09:25] <Bigbrumbrum> cp dont do it ^^
[09:25] <ddecator> figured
[09:25] <Bigbrumbrum> dd?
[09:25] <beij> dd if="/dev/xxx" of="dev/xx"
[09:25] <beij> but thats an exact copy
[09:25] <DASPRiD> beij, you copy from your porn drive? :>
[09:25] <Bigbrumbrum> lol
[09:26] <beij> cp -R /path/to/part /path/of/ohter just copies the data
[09:26] <ddecator> HA
[09:26] <DASPRiD> better cp -a
[09:26] <beij> DASPRiD, nö das sind auch animes dabei
[09:26] <ddecator> i was closer than i thought =p
[09:26] <DASPRiD> (a is for archive, keeps user rights and such)
[09:26] <DASPRiD> beij, ah, so hentai :P
[09:27] <beij> well some :p
[09:27] <Bigbrumbrum> sudo cp-a /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1/160hdd ?
[09:27] <Bigbrumbrum> *cp -a
[09:27] <DASPRiD> and why the heck do you know that i'm german?
[09:27] <beij> ^_^
[09:27] <ddecator> IRC stalker? o.o
[09:27] <beij> O.o
[09:28] <beij> es gibt keine andere sprache mit dem artikel das :o
[09:28] <ddecator> ...right
[09:29] <Bigbrumbrum> say what now?
[09:29] <Bigbrumbrum> do i need to mkdir if i want to copy into /dev/sdb1/160gbhdd ?
[09:30] <beij> woot?
[09:30] <Bigbrumbrum> does cp make the directory i want to copy into if it doesn't exist?
[09:30] <ddecator> i think so
[09:31] <markitoxs> hello
[09:31] <markitoxs> quick question
[09:31] <ddecator> sure thing
[09:31] <Bigbrumbrum> bring it on
[09:31] <markitoxs> anyone knows how to bring back the ability to move a window to a different workspace using alt + click ?
[09:31] <G_A_C> Bigbrumbrum: I don't think that will work, you can't copy directly to the block device, you need to mount the filesystem it contains and then copy into there. and no, cp won't make directories
[09:32] <Bigbrumbrum> gah, then i need to this trough live cd...
[09:33] <Bigbrumbrum> because my ubuntu doesnt mount anything at all...
[09:33] <ddecator> markitoxs: you might be able to set that in the Keyboard Shortcuts settings
[09:34] <markitoxs> i thinks its more a ccsm thing
[09:34] <Bigbrumbrum> anyone here who knows if windows got some kind of cmd-terminal on the install-cd?
[09:35] <G_A_C> it has a recovery console, but it's very limited
[09:35] <G_A_C> what are you needing to do?
[09:37] <beij> windows seven prss ctrl+f10
[09:37] <beij> or alt + f10
[09:37] <Bigbrumbrum> can i run chkdsk /f in it?
[09:37] <G_A_C> yeah you can
[09:37] <beij> windows xp had an "repair tah installation option"
[09:37] <G_A_C> although for some reason if you boot from a Windows CD, I think it's chkdsk /r to get the same functionality as chkdsk /f from a live environment
[09:38] <Bigbrumbrum> woo
[09:38] <Bigbrumbrum> thanks!
[09:38] <Bigbrumbrum> rebooting now
[09:38] <ddecator> gl!
[09:38] <Bigbrumbrum> :)
[10:08] <beij> timout?
[10:08] <beij> eth?
[10:08] <andre_> Why is there suddenly a log of gome stuff installing with my kubuntu updates today? like gconf2, gome-keyring, network-manager-pptp-gnome, ad more
[10:08] <andre_> a lot of gnome stuff**
[10:11] <beij> because you installed some kind of gnome software
[10:11] <beij> :p
[10:13] <artnay> is there any way to obtain alpha 1 or alpha 2 and/or daily builds between those alphas? I'm asking this because of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/560306 - 5xxx GPUs are the most sold separate GPUs at the moment so I think the importance of this bug is high
[10:14] <sean_> okay I need help figuring out what my onboard video card has to offer if that makes sense?
[10:15] <rsk> sean_ glxinfo
[10:17] <sean_> okay well that made no sense to me but thank you, how about this I have an intel 865 chipset which has intel extreme graphics 2, but I have another ATI rage pro turbo, anyone know which would be better to use?
[10:17] <andre_> is there a way in kde to see what package is dragging the gnome stuff in? or do i have to install synaptics?
[10:18] <beij> synaptics wouldnt help either
[10:18] <beij> sudo apt-get remove gnome-keyring it will tell you have t uninstall :
[10:19] <beij> one of this package causes tah gnome depencies
[10:19] <arand> andre_: you could follow the "aptitude why packagename" path of blame.
[10:19] <andre_> yeah, as far as i remember i could right click it and find the dependencies of the packages in synaptics
[10:21] <andre_> thanks arand :)
[10:22] <sean_> anyone know of a channel that I can join that deals with graphic cards and what not?
[10:24] <andre_> is xorg an gnome application? :P it depends on xterm (that i have) or x-terminal-emulator wich comes with terminator and then requires gconf.. so why does my update require me to install gconf2? :P
[10:25] <andre_> where do i register bugs? kontact summary windows is not working and does not show the new mails as it is supposed to
[10:27] <arand> !bug
[10:47] <Nom-> Anyone know the current state of the repo?  I'm wondering if the dependency problems i'm seeing when rolling a custom ISO are related to the repo, or something i've done wrong
[10:48] <Nom-> I'm using a set of build tools which worked for Hardy, and i've made (I believe) all the necessary config changes, but as it's installing, it's complaining about dependencies not matching (libgssapi-krb5-2 depends libkrb5-3 (=1.8.1+dfsg-2 but 1.8+dfsg~alpha1-7ubuntu1 is installed)
[10:48] <beij> sudo apt-get update
[10:49] <Nom-> That's being done... it's a custom ISO i'm creating which automaticall does all that (supposedly)
[10:49] <Nom-> I can see that it is downloading a stack of packages, and in fact both versions are on the ISO
[10:51] <flippppppppppppp> hi! i installed the 10.04 beta and noticed that super(win)-m is bound to the chat/mail icon. where is this configured? who can i change it?
[10:54] <Korcia> I guess in gconf-editor
[10:55] <joaopinto> Nom-, I am not familiar with "automaticall", is it available from the repositories ?
[10:56] <Nom-> I'm just working through ... the build script i'm using is supposedly doing an apt-get update etc as part of the ISO creation process
[10:57] <Nom-> I just wanted to be sure the official repo isn't in some kind of broken state right now before I persist
[10:58] <joaopinto> Nom-, afaik it's not
[10:58] <joaopinto> that script is probably trying to pull some package which is not installable, or not available at all for lucid
[10:59] <Nom-> Nope, it's not a package missing, it's a version dependency problem
[10:59] <Nom-> As I said before, both versions are on the ISO... i'm hoping it's just the repo i'm pulling from -- pointed direct to the official ubuntu mirror now :)
[11:00] <Nom-> yay for having > 10Gbps of international bandwidth
[11:01] <BUGabundo_remote> FFUUUUUUUUU http://www.nomachine.com/tr/view.php?id=TR02H02327 #NX
[11:03] <Nom-> not that any server can ever push that much traffic :P
[11:07] <vistakiller1> vlc-data is not upgrade
[11:11] <DASPRiD> hey, new vlc has vaapi support :)
[11:20] <flippppppppppppp> i installed the 10.04 beta and noticed that super(win)-m is bound to the chat/mail icon. where is this configured? who can i change it? i looked in gconf-editor. searched for "keybindings", could not find anything. any other ideas?
[11:22] <BUGabundo_remote> flippppppppppppp: first: beta is to old! please upgrade! second: see shortcuts menu, in preferences
[11:26] <flippppppppppppp> BUGabundo_remote: it's not beta anymore? my bad. :) i upgraded everything. it is not in the shortcuts menu.
[11:31] <BUGabundo_remote> flippppppppppppp: compiz ?
[11:33] <flippppppppppppp> BUGabundo_remote: is compiz enabled by default? where can i change compiz shortcuts?
[11:33] <beij> ccsm ---> shortcuts or so
[11:33] <beij> dont use ist
[11:34] <thoeger> Hello channel - I'm running Lucid but this might not be a lucid problem. I just bought a little SATA cabinet to plug in the hard drive to my late laptop into mu current laptop to save some data. But the drive doesn't mount, and disk utility tells me that it is "unallocated space". I installed gparted but gparted just scans devices indefinitely. Is this because I'm running Lucid installed with Wubi?
[11:35] <flippppppppppppp> beij: ccsm? is that a program? if yes, i do not have it.
[11:35] <BUGabundo_remote> flippppppppppppp: its not installed by default
[11:36] <beij> compiz config settings manager written in python
[11:36] <beij> VERY usefull
[11:36] <BUGabundo_remote> but the shortcuts should be the same as the shortcut menu
[11:36] <flippppppppppppp> ok, installing.
[11:37] <dwebb2> hi all
[11:37] <beij> wth?
[11:37] <beij> there is only simple ccsm?
[11:37] <BUGabundo_remote> beij: humm??
[11:37] <BUGabundo_remote> explain
[11:38] <beij> beij@beij-desktop:/etc/acpi$ apt-cache search ccsm
[11:38] <flippppppppppppp> yes, that's what i installed.
[11:38] <beij> simple-ccsm - Simple Compizconfig settings manager
[11:38] <Slart> beij: nope.. I just installed regular ccsm
[11:38] <Slart> beij: but it's called compizconfig-settings-manager
[11:38] <BUGabundo_remote> wrong package name
[11:38] <iconmefisto> !info compizconfig-settings-manager
[11:38] <BUGabundo_remote> what they said :)
[11:39] <beij> strange name realy
[11:39] <flippppppppppppp> ok, installing that too. but i don't think the shortcut is there.
[11:41] <dwebb2> I am trying to get lucid to do an encrypted LVM install.  I setup the luks partition and the LVM using the console and then use ubiquity to install the system.  I am having an issue however on startup.  I decrypt the luks partition fine, but it can't find my root partition and drops me to initramfs.  if I look in /dev/mapper I can see the lvm nodes (/dev/mapper/cryptlvm-root..etc).  But I can't see the /dev/mapper/cryptlvm-rootp1
[11:41] <flippppppppppppp> tbh, i don't really see the difference between ccsm and simple-ccsm. anyway, the shortcut is not there. where does it come from?
[11:41] <dwebb2> which is where ubiquity installed the root system
[11:42] <joaopinto> hum, is there a package providing mms: support ?
[11:43] <beij> smplayer/gnome-mplayer  i think
[11:44] <joaopinto> so you mean mplayer :P ?
[11:44] <beij> yes
[11:46] <joaopinto> totem should warn about that :)
[11:46] <beij> the first thing i did was to replace totem with mplayer
[11:47] <beij> totems always aks for some kinf of plugin
[11:48] <coc0nut> bug 563893
[11:48] <flippppppppppppp> mhm, i looked into the configuration of empathy and evolution, couldn't find it there either. this is driving me nuts. why can't i find out what is happening there?
[11:55] <JediMaster> mvo, thanks for the update on the mountall / do-release-upgrade bug =)
[12:14] <JediMaster> why does jocky say that nvidia_current is activated but not currently in use? If I check in Xorg.0.log I can see that it's using the "nvidia" and "glx" modules, so looks like it's using the driver
[12:16] <JediMaster> if I deactivate nvidia_current in jockey (hardware drivers) will it put it on to the Nouveau driver?
[12:17] <gnomefreak> JediMaster: it should
[12:18] <JediMaster> gnomefreak, ta
[12:18] <JediMaster> btw, apt-cache shows nouveau as being experimental still: xserver-xorg-video-nouveau - X.Org X server -- Nouveau display driver (experimental)
[12:18] <JediMaster> I presume that's the right driver that is going to be the default in 2 weeks time for nvidia chipsets?
[12:18] <howlymowly> #python
[12:20] <gnomefreak> JediMaster: it already is deffault however im not sure if it works i havent tested in a while
[12:21] <JediMaster> gnomefreak, I meant in the stable LTS final release =)
[12:22] <gnomefreak> JediMaster: it will be default as of a while a go hoever that should be fixed soon if not already. a couple of days ago i lost X but it only took me a day to fix it
[12:22] <gnomefreak> s/hoever/however
[12:23] <JediMaster> I'm all for new software, but either it's still experimental (and probably shouldn't really be the default in a LTS stable release) or someone just forgotten to update the package description =)
[12:24] <gnomefreak> JediMaster: i would have to look at it but its not looking like today unless one of my meetd get canceled
[12:27] <gnomefreak> i do agree but either today or monday i will ping someone about it. i can always submit a patch if needed
[12:27] <jatoo> can someone please help me? i did an upgrade from ubuntu 9.10 to 10.04 and now  when ubuntu starts the keyboard and mouse don't work at all. in grub if i select windows 7 then it just goes back to the grub list, effectively meaning i can no longer boot up windows. my main concern is getting windows 7 bootable again...
[12:29]  * gnomefreak still using XP just not in the past 2 months or so but im not sure why that is happening
[12:29]  * gnomefreak off to see the wizard to maybe get a new brain ;)
[12:30] <acuster> jatoo, you know you can edit the boot lines by hand, right? That should let you test booting from different partitions at least.
[12:30] <jatoo> acuster, no, i don't know how to do that
[12:30] <jatoo> in grub.list or something?
[12:30] <acuster> no, from the grub screen itself
[12:31] <acuster> type 'e' or some such, it says how at the bottom of the screen usually
[12:31] <jatoo> oh, ok, i'll give that a go
[12:31] <acuster> and if it doesn't work, usually it brings you right back to the grub screen
[12:31] <jatoo> that's the behaviour i'm getting when selecting windows 7 - goes straight back to grub screen
[12:32] <SandGorgon> JediMaster, I have a XPS 1210 (nvidia 7400 + 945 chipset). I'm having a hard time with Plymouth and this KMS/nouveau madness. 10 bucks to making a  version with usplash !
[12:33] <jatoo> acuster, i've managed to open up the edit thing for windows 7, but i don't really know what i'm doing here... any idea what i should be looking for?
[12:34] <acuster> I'd look at which disk partition is being accessed
[12:34] <acuster> and try to be sure that it's hitting the right one
[12:35] <jatoo> ah, the second line says "set root='(hd1,1)'"
[12:35] <jatoo> is that what you mean?
[12:35] <acuster> yeah. your windows is on your second disk?
[12:36] <jatoo> no, i think it's on the first
[12:36] <acuster> (grub uses zero based numbering)
[12:36] <acuster> hmm, but I can't find the modern equivalent of the old menu.lst to compare this install
[12:36] <jatoo> i'm not sure exactly - is there an easy way i can check? get a list of partitions etc?
[12:37] <dwebb2> there is no menu.lst with the new grub
[12:37] <dwebb2> look at grub.cfg
[12:37] <dwebb2> menu.lst was always just a symlink to menu.cfg anyways
[12:37] <dwebb2> err
[12:37] <dwebb2> grub.cfg that is
[12:38] <acuster> jatoo, try (hd0,1)
[12:38] <acuster> I suppose partion 0 is the one grub is on
[12:39] <jatoo> acuster, that got me back to grub
[12:39] <acuster> dwebb2, doesn't grub have a console these days, where you can ask it to list what it sees?
[12:40] <dwebb2> it does
[12:40] <acuster> how can jatoo get there?
[12:40] <dwebb2> grub2 you can access the list/console by holding down shift on startup
[12:40] <jatoo> in command line now
[12:40] <jatoo> grub>
[12:40] <dwebb2> took me ages to figure that one out
[12:40] <acuster> cool
[12:41] <acuster> jatoo, do 'help' or '?' work?
[12:42] <dwebb2> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-grub2/index.html?ca=drs-
[12:42] <dwebb2> ibm has some good docs on the startup process
[12:42] <jatoo> ah yeah, 'help' does, but most of it goes off the screen
[12:42] <acuster> jatoo, http://planetstephanie.net/2009/05/27/grub2-rescue-mode/
[12:42] <acuster> may help
[12:42]  * acuster is merely googling
[12:42] <dwebb2> http://members.iinet.net/~herman546/p20/GRUB2%20CLI%20Mode%20Commands.html
[12:43] <acuster> and the rescue stuff in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[12:43] <acuster> jatoo, good luck, dwebb2 thanks for your help,
[12:43]  * acuster wanders off to eat
[12:44] <andre_> isn't there supposed to be a torrent client in the default install of kubuntu lucid?
[12:44] <dwebb2> transmission
[12:44] <jatoo> thanks acuster
[12:44] <dwebb2> bitorrent client
[12:44] <dwebb2> err
[12:44] <dwebb2> sorry
[12:44] <dwebb2> that is the gnome one
[12:44] <dwebb2> not kde
[12:45] <andre_> it used to be ktorrent, but not in lucid
[12:45] <gnomefreak> there is one default in KDE just cant recall the name
[12:46] <andre_> as far as I can see there is none in a fresh beta2 install of kubuntu
[12:47] <mvo> JediMaster: np, a workaorund is in progress
[12:47] <NinoScript> I tried installing a tiling window manager (i3 I think it was named), but I ended up with a completely locked system… I turned it of with the power button and now It doesn't boot, what can I do?
[12:48] <nanovim> ut does not boot?
[12:49] <jatoo> dwebb2, when i edit a command do i need to save it or just press ctrl-x to boot that command?
[12:49] <dwebb2> nothing you do there can save to the grub.cfg
[12:49] <dwebb2> just do ctrl-x
[12:50] <dwebb2> then go edit the grub.cfg  by hand once you have booted
[12:50] <jatoo> ok, um i managed to find out which two partitions are ntfs (and hence the two that could be windows) and tried both of them in editing the boot command, but neither worked, just went straight back to grub
[12:51] <dwebb2> not sure mate
[12:51] <JediMaster> mvo, being more specific with the libc6 package requirements on those first packages that are loaded?
[12:54] <jatoo> can anyone help me with getting my keyboard/mouse to work in ubuntu? as soon as it boots, the stop working
[12:55] <dwebb2> can you boot into single user mode?
[12:55] <jatoo> what's that?
[12:55] <dwebb2> reboot
[12:55] <dwebb2> hold down shift
[12:55] <Votan> anyone using beta 2 with the mainline .34rc4  kernel ?
[12:56] <gnomefreak> Votan: that is not in Lucid and as i understand it will not be
[12:56] <dwebb2> when you get to the grub menu, edit the kernel line
[12:56] <dwebb2> append on "Single"
[12:56] <seidl> hi! i updated to lucid and now i have a strange error: i can't edit applets in the panel anymore. also if i try to edit the keys with gconf-editor it says the keys for the panel applets are read only. anybody got an idea on how this could be fixed?
[12:56] <mvo> JediMaster: yes
[12:56] <dwebb2> then do ctrl-x
[12:56] <Votan> gnomefreak I know but u can still install the mainline vanille kernels. and I am asking if someone's using that one in beta2
[12:56] <gnomefreak> 2.6.32-21-generic #31 is latest
[12:57] <gnomefreak> Votan: yes you can but the chances of finding someone running the same kernel is slim, it is kind of hard to give help with non official pacikages
[12:58] <Votan> gnomefreak well i know there's people in here who do run it as 2 of them were discussing it yesterday. I installe dit now myself everything's great, except that I got a strange shutdown problem
[12:58] <jatoo> dwebb2, that's just booted into the login screen again - still no keyboard or mouse
[12:59] <gnomefreak> Votan: are those 2 people here?
[12:59] <dwebb2> hrm
[12:59] <Votan> gnomefreak that's what I am asking, as I did not remember their names.
[12:59] <dwebb2> jatoo, looks like upgrading did a number and a half on your system
[13:00] <gnomefreak> look at the config for X and see if it is set up ok but either way it should work. i installed 4 times so far and havent run into that issue
[13:00] <jatoo> yeah :(
[13:00] <jatoo> went from two OSs to none...
[13:00] <dwebb2> jatoo, do you have any older grub menu entries from before you upgraded in the list ?
[13:00] <jatoo> i'm not sure, where can i check?
[13:01] <gnomefreak> #kernel (i think that is the channel or you can even try in #ubuntu-kernel but not sure how far you will get in there
[13:01] <dwebb2> reboot again, hold down shift
[13:01]  * gnomefreak going to reinstall 1 more time before release
[13:01] <dwebb2> usually when ubuntu upgrades the kernel it adds an entry to the list
[13:01] <dwebb2> and leaves the old one there too
[13:02] <jatoo> dwebb2, in grub, you mean boot the latest ubuntu holding shift?
[13:02]  * gnomefreak smoke -> email -> break things
[13:03] <NinoScript> If I installed grub on /dev/sda3, if I want to recover it, should I do: grub-install --recheck /dev/sda3 ? it says it's not good and that I should use --force :O
[13:03] <bazhang> !find openoffice.org
[13:04] <bazhang> what version of openoffice is shipping with lucid?
[13:04] <seidl> anyone who can help me with my panel/applet problem?
[13:05] <dwebb2> jatoo, just boot up and hold shift, that will take you to the grub menu...from there see if you can pick one of the older kernel entreis
[13:06] <bazhang> !find openoffice.org-gnome
[13:06] <bazhang> !info openoffice.org-gnome
[13:09] <gnomefreak> does the spread sheets print the graph lines
[13:09] <gnomefreak> s/lines/lines ?
[13:14] <DSpair> Hey gang, is there any way to get evince to substitute fonts when a required font is not installed and not embedded?
[13:17] <gnomefreak> bitchx was removed :(
[13:21] <daniskami> DSpair: if evince uses fontconfig, you can tell fontconfig which substitute font to use. Also try asking in #ubuntu (I doubt this is Lucid specific)
[13:22] <DSpair> Yeah, I just spoke with the on-line support at O'Reilly and they told me that they do not embed fonts for all of their PDFs, so the book I just bought in electronic form shows up garbled. Sucky.
[13:27] <gnomefreak> bazhang: any word on why bitchx was removed from Lucid (not sure about Karmic)
[13:27] <bazhang> !bitchx
[13:27] <bazhang> gnomefreak, this one?^^
[13:27] <gnomefreak> bazhang: thanks :)
[13:27] <SandGorgon> DSpair, you need to play with your fonts.conf and then reboot
[13:28]  * gnomefreak uses irssi and learning weechat one of these days
[13:30] <acuster> jatoo, you get it working?
[13:30] <jatoo> ummm
[13:30] <jatoo> well i managed to find an old ps2 mouse
[13:30] <jatoo> sorry keyboard
[13:31] <jatoo> and that works! but no mouse
[13:31] <acuster> you needed a keyboard to get grub to boot windows!?
[13:31] <jatoo> and there was a box that said something about giving logitech device permission to access something or other
[13:31] <jatoo> no no no
[13:31] <jatoo> sorry
[13:31] <jatoo> i manage to get ubuntu to do something
[13:31] <jatoo> i have no idea about windows...
[13:31] <acuster> bummer
[13:31] <jatoo> yeah :(
[13:32] <dwebb2> was your last keyboard usb?
[13:32] <dwebb2> and your mouse?
[13:32] <jatoo> do you think if i install 9.10 off a cd then it will set up grub properly to boot windows?
[13:32] <jatoo> yeah, both devices wireless into the one usb port
[13:32] <dwebb2> that is an idea
[13:32] <dwebb2> or...you can even try installing 10.04 from cd
[13:32] <dwebb2> :)
[13:33] <dwebb2> I almost never upgrade now
[13:33] <dwebb2> I always do fresh installs
[13:33] <dwebb2> with upgrades you inevitably have problems
[13:34] <jatoo> hmmm ok
[13:34] <jatoo> might give that a go
[13:43] <sara_> how do i file a bug report against logging in?
[13:44] <vega> sara_: gdm probably
[13:44] <vega> (for gnome)
[13:44] <sara_> when i log in - that's a bug in it's self - it says that power manager is still running
[13:45] <sara_> i set it to auto login
[13:45] <nawst2> In 9.10 I didn't have to chmod +x every windows binary to run it with wine... What do I need to do to get that functionality back in 10.04
[13:47] <Desagas> Good afternoon Lynx users, Everytime I reboot I need to go back into Appearance and into Visual and click Extra each time as it resets to "None" after every boot up.
[13:47] <Desagas> Is there any solution to make it remember Extra and not reset back to None each time I boot up
[13:48] <joaopinto> Desagas, that is a bug, better report it
[13:48] <Desagas> joaopinto, Ok, how do I report a bug?
[13:49] <dwebb2> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ReportProblem
[13:49] <Desagas> dwebb2, thank you, i'll report it now
[13:51] <gnomefreak> preferred bug reporting == ubuntu-bug packagename
[13:53] <BUGabundo_remote> nawst2: how about to add those dirs to wine config ?
[13:53] <Guest39308> hello, after upgrading to 10.04 my system doesn't boot
[13:53] <Guest39308> even recovery doesn't boot
[13:55] <SwedeMike> Guest39308: you have to supply more information, just saing "it doesnt work" doesnt say anything.
[13:55] <nokia3510> On lucid, for what reason after doing sudo mkswap -U <inserted UUID here> /dev/sda1 gives no output on a subsequent sudo blkid /dev/sda1 ? The only way I can mount that swap partition is using /dev/sda1 in fstab, yet doing the same on a secondary hdd the blkid shows the generated/given UUID
[13:56] <Guest39308> ok, when booting into recovery it stops after saying "can not chroot: /etc/apparmor/initramfs" no such file or directory
[13:56] <Guest39308> then ureadahead-other main process terminates with status 4
[13:57] <Guest39308> I tried booting a live cd, chrooting to my installation and reinstalling apparmor
[13:58] <Guest39308> noting changed
[13:58] <Guest39308> anyone can help?
[14:01] <nokia3510> Guest39308, try this
[14:01] <joaopinto> Guest39308, please change to a proper nick, it makes communication easier
[14:01] <nokia3510> mount your root in /mnt
[14:01] <Guest39308> I can not, it tells me /nick isn't supported
[14:02] <joaopinto> better :)
[14:02] <nokia3510> mount -o bind /dev/ /mnt/dev
[14:02] <nokia3510> mount -o bind /proc /mnt/proc
[14:02] <nokia3510> chroot /mnt
[14:02] <Mian> nokia2510, I can not log in to a terminal
[14:02] <nokia3510> apt-get install --reinstall apparmor
[14:03] <Mian> nokia3510, all what can I do is to boot a livecd and chroot to my installation. will this work on this?
[14:03] <nokia3510> Mian, do the above commands using a live media
[14:03] <nokia3510> chroot as instructed above
[14:03] <Mian> nokia3510, thanks, I'll try
[14:04] <nokia3510> Mian, also check dpkg --configure -a and apt-get install -f
[14:04] <nokia3510> after doing the proper chroot
[14:04] <Mian> nokia2510, ok thanks I'll try
[14:04] <nawst2> BUGabundo_remote: You mean under Desktop Integration?
[14:04] <joaopinto> Mian, if you believe the issue is related to appamor I think you can safely remove it
[14:05] <Mian> joaopinto, can you please tell me what is apparmor and what it does so that I can feel safe removing it?
[14:06] <joaopinto> Mian, apparmor provides extra security for some applications, it restricts processes privileges
[14:07] <Mian> joaopinto, so, how it is safe to remove it?
[14:07] <joaopinto> Mian, you should be able to reinstall apparmor once your system is properly booted, and we are assuming the problem is apparmor related, I am not sure your / was properly mounted
[14:07] <joaopinto> Mian, it's safe to remove
[14:07] <Mian> joaopinto, thanks I'll try
[14:10] <BUGabundo_remote> mawst: not sure. don't have wine here. just open wineconfig and add it to the supported PATHs
[14:10] <Mian> nokia3510, I get this "Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?)"
[14:20] <thebishop> hello
[14:25] <Volkodav> I do not have my volume applet since early aplhas
[14:25] <Volkodav> how do I get back ?
[14:25] <kuttans> hello everybody.....the plymouth ubuntu logo is coming when i shutdown and not when i boot up. can anyone throw some light on. im using a dell laptop with intel c2d
[14:26] <kuttans> and can some one tell me how it relates to kms and whats the work around for this
[14:32] <JediMaster> hi guys I'm having a real headache, just tried the nouveau driver by uninstalling nvidia-current and the other propriatory drivers, and found the video performance too poor to use =/ so... tried to reinstall nvidia-current but even though it seems to run DKMS I can't modrobe the nvidia module
[14:32] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:33] <JediMaster> xorg.0.log shows: (EE) NVIDIA: Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module. Please check your
[14:33] <JediMaster> I have dpkg-reconfigured nvidia-current and remove then installed it
[14:34] <BluesKaj> JediMaster, which nvidia card ?
[14:34] <JediMaster> 260 GTX
[14:34] <JediMaster> had it working with nvidia-current fine before I tried nouveau
[14:34] <JediMaster> have the backed up xorg.conf
[14:35] <BluesKaj> after installing the current driver , did you do sudo nvidia-xconfig to rewrite xorg ?
[14:36] <JediMaster> modprobe nvidia gives me: FATAL: Module nvidia not found.
[14:36] <JediMaster> BluesKaj, no, but I still have the original config that worked under the same version
[14:37] <JediMaster> BluesKaj, how will that get the kernel module working anyhow?
[14:37] <JediMaster> BluesKaj, ok just done it and restarted kdm and get the same error
[14:38] <JediMaster> in the Xorg.0.log
[14:40] <BluesKaj> JediMaster, , you have to make sure the old driver is removed , then install the new driver at a tty with gdm stopped so ythat X isn't active using the driver you want to remove . Then install the new driver  . i used this driver for my nvidia card: https://launchpad.net/~albertomilone/+archive/proprietary-video-improvements
[14:40] <kuttans> oh god!!! seems im not getting any help anywhere
[14:40] <kuttans> ist that no one facing the problem as of mine or ist im not understanding exactly whats happening
[14:41] <JediMaster> BluesKaj, done that already
[14:41] <kuttans> can anyone tell me why im getting a blank screen while lucid is booting?
[14:41] <kuttans> and that im getting a ubuntu logo with red dots on shutting down
[14:42] <BluesKaj> JediMaster, done what already ? . I would add the those ppa debs to my sources.list then update and install
[14:43] <Odd-rationale> kuttans: maybe you're booting too fast to see the spash screen! :)
[14:43] <kuttans> no Odd-rationale. why im so sure is that im using encrypted hard disk, both root and swap so i cant boot fast until unless i provide the usb key and a passphrase to decrypt the key
[14:44] <bjsnider> JediMaster, what does dkms status get you?
[14:44] <BluesKaj> kuttans, that's normal plymouth at work on the shutdown
[14:44] <kuttans> means that my plymouth is running .but my swap space is skipped from mounting by mountall saying that plymouth is not available
[14:44] <JediMaster> bjsnider, nvidia-current, 195.36.15, 2.6.32-21-generic, x86_64: installed
[14:45] <JediMaster> bjsnider, lsmod shows no nvidia modules
[14:45] <bjsnider> JediMaster, alright so nvidia is being blacklisted. go into jockey and select nvidia-current
[14:45] <kuttans> Odd-rationale: BluesKaj : i did my homework definitely. i tried to understand what this plymouth is doing, but im unable to understand why its giving a problem on boot and not at shutdown
[14:46] <lucitu> kuttans: i see the same thing..only kubuntu on shutdown not on boot
[14:46] <kuttans> im unable to understand this KMS thing, but there should be something that i miss. i thought someone would have experienced the same problem.  And i got a lot of bug reports but they all say that the problem is fixed. but not for me
[14:46] <JediMaster> bjsnider, jockey-text says : "Searching for available drivers..." then quits
[14:46] <bjsnider> ok
[14:46] <Urda> anyone know why grub is putting a black border around my splash screen in 10.04 now?
[14:47] <Urda> grub2*
[14:47] <JediMaster> should I reinstall nouveau and do it from the jockey-kde?
[14:47] <lucitu> kuttans: i thought it was in line with the new tren..going against the norm :)
[14:47] <kuttans> lucitu: its basically because of the plymouth thing. but i havnt got any workaround or solution for that
[14:47] <Odd-rationale> kuttans: did you try an install without any encryption? that may be part of the issue...
[14:47] <bjsnider> JediMaster, jockey-text? so you've got no gui at all?
[14:47] <JediMaster> no
[14:47] <JediMaster> kdm won't start because the nvidia kernel module isn't loaded
[14:47] <BluesKaj> kuttans, I dunno for sure whether plymouth is really necessary , you may be able to boot from the tty
[14:47] <bjsnider> JediMaster, hold on a minute
[14:47] <kuttans> Odd-rationale: im a risk taker and i did this upgrade on my running system. and its loaded with gbs of downloaded softwares. i can do it in a vm i guess
[14:48] <kuttans> BluesKaj: the system im chatting now is lucid and its my current system and i recovered this system almost from scratch.
[14:48] <lucitu> kuttans: don't care less..i see it only bec shutdown is taking too long
[14:48] <JediMaster> bjsnider, kk, brb anyhow, need to get the power for this laptop =D
[14:49] <kuttans> so the problem is not that im unable to login. its the problem like 1. why plymouth ubuntu logo is not coming up 2. why swap is not mounted etc
[14:50] <BluesKaj> kuttans , check your fstab
[14:50] <kuttans> plymouth is necessary for lucid. if you remove plymouth, your initramfs will not allow you
[14:50] <kuttans> BluesKaj: anything specific you want me to check there?
[14:50] <BluesKaj> make sure you have a swap listed
[14:50] <bjsnider> JediMaster, sudo jockey-text -e xorg:nvidia-current
[14:51] <lucitu> kuttans: not true pymouht is req
[14:51] <kuttans> ohh yeah i do have that there. its like /dev/mapper/cryptdisk-swap
[14:51] <lucitu> kuttans: do free -m
[14:51] <BluesKaj> aha cryptdisk
[14:51] <lucitu> do u see swap?
[14:51] <kuttans> lucitu: i dont think so, bcoz when i was trying to upgrade that was the problem i faced
[14:51] <Urda> anyone know why grub2 is putting a black border around my splash screen in 10.04 now? The splash screen is the same size as the resolution grub loads
[14:52] <lucitu> kuttans: df does not show swap but free -m show
[14:52] <lucitu> even mount does not
[14:52] <kuttans> yeah while booting mountall complains about this like this--mountall: skipping /dev/mapper/cryptdisk-swap since plymouth not available
[14:53] <lucitu> kuttans: what does free -m show?
[14:53] <kuttans> it says its 0 0 0
[14:54] <kuttans> just one second all of you pls
[14:54] <BluesKaj> join you folks in a min ....gonna give my back a rest in the bigeasy chair with the laptop
[14:55] <lucitu> kuttans: ok..cub be a prob for u then.  why encrypt btw?
[14:56] <lucitu> kuttans: try swapon
[14:56] <kuttans> but thats not gonna solve my problem of the boot right
[14:56] <OttifantSir> This is an issue that came with 9.04, but persists in 10.04 b2: Dell Inspiron 9400/E1705 has a subwoofer/LFE that's constantly at half volume. When using media keys, the volume of the LFE doesn't change at all, and I can't find a setting to change it.
[14:57] <kuttans> i have a 4 gb of ram and its not a problem if i dont have swap space
[14:57] <kuttans> lucitu: i have intel drivers, ist a problem y plymouth is not making it available at start
[15:04] <OttifantSir> 10.04 beta 2: Dell Inspiron 9400/E1705 has a subwoofer/LFE that's constantly at full volume. When using media keys, the volume of the LFE doesn't change at all, and I can't find a setting to change it.
[15:05] <JediMaster> bjsnider, Unknown driver: xorg:nvidia-current
[15:05] <JediMaster> bjorn, from jockey-text -e xorg:nvidia-current
[15:06] <arand> OttifantSir: Try running alsamixer in terminal, that normally exposes all available settings
[15:07] <quiritius> laptop-mode-tools conflicts with pm-utils in lucid. how to adjust hdparm correctly?
[15:08] <OttifantSir> arand: But how do I link Master, PCM (treble) and Subwoofer/LFE so they all get controlled?
[15:08] <arand> OttifantSir: No idea I'm afraid, some fiddling about with PA settings I would assume...
[15:09] <bjsnider> JediMaster, sudo jockey-text -l
[15:10] <JediMaster> bjsnider,  kmod:nvidia_current - nvidia_current (Proprietary, Disabled, Not in use)
[15:11] <JediMaster> so I guess -e kmod:nvidia_current ?
[15:12] <bjsnider> no
[15:12] <bcurtiswx3> hey, my xserver is screwed up at login, I use nvidia and want to try out the noveau driver.. how would I go about correcting the xserver error at login?
[15:13] <bjsnider> JediMaster, the previous command is the one that is supposed to work
[15:13] <JediMaster> bjsnider, on kubuntu if that makes a difference, hence kmod maybe?
[15:14] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, JediMaster , what about removing the current driver and not using jockey at all but installing from the tty with X turned off
[15:14] <bjsnider> JediMaster, kmod means kernel module
[15:15] <JediMaster> BluesKaj, already done that
[15:15] <bjsnider> JediMaster, try the -e command again
[15:15] <Cryp71c> New Lynx install, my terminal lists the full path, so when I navigate into my tree my bash prompt reads "user@computername: ~/someFolder/andAnother/plusThisOne$ "
[15:15] <JediMaster> bjsnider, with xorg:?
[15:15] <Cryp71c> How can I shorten that up?
[15:15] <bjsnider> yes
[15:15] <BluesKaj> are you sure you removed the old driver first tho, JediMaster ?
[15:16] <JediMaster> BluesKaj, yes, nouveau has been completely removed and rebooted since then
[15:16] <arand> bcurtiswx3: If you need to switch over to nouveau from terminal method 2 here might be useful: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1423210
[15:16] <joaopinto> Cryp71c, that happens because your prompt is set to show your current dir
[15:16] <bcurtiswx3> arand: ty, will go try
[15:16] <bjsnider> JediMaster, have you got nvidia-common, all of the nvidia modalias packages and so forth installed?
[15:17] <BluesKaj> JediMaster, ok
[15:17] <JediMaster> bjsnider, nvidia-common isn't installed but nvidia-current is
[15:17] <bjsnider> install nvidia-common
[15:17] <Cryp71c> joaopinto, how can I turn that off?
[15:17] <Mian> nokia5310, hello
[15:18] <Mian> nokia5310, I tried all what you said but still can not boot
[15:18] <JediMaster> that's going to install nvidia-173-modaliases nvidia-96-modaliases, already have the newer one installed
[15:18] <bjsnider> that's fine
[15:18] <BluesKaj> ahh, interesting point there bjsnider , gonna try to remember that
[15:18] <Mian> nokia3510, hello
[15:18] <JediMaster> bjsnider, done, same error from jockey
[15:19] <Mian> nokia3510, I tried all what you said but still can not boot
[15:19] <nokia3510> Mian, be quick, I'll be afk in a few minutes
[15:19] <nokia3510> Mian, error messages ?
[15:19] <Mian> nokia3510, I remove apparmor
[15:19] <Mian> and now no error messages
[15:19] <Mian> but still can not boot
[15:19] <arand> bcurtiswx3: Or acually, using jockey-text as discussed here might be simpler (jockey-text --disable=DRIVER)
[15:20] <Mian> what else can I try to diagnose the problem?
[15:20] <bjsnider> JediMaster, you have jockey-common and jockey-kde installed?
[15:20] <nokia3510> Mian, it's not apparmor, so you're safe reinstalling it
[15:20] <nokia3510> check out the meta packages too
[15:20] <nokia3510> ubuntu-desktop
[15:20] <JediMaster> bjsnider, yes
[15:20] <bjsnider> JediMaster, oops
[15:20] <Mian> nokia3510, how?
[15:21] <JediMaster> bjsnider, oops?
[15:21] <bjsnider> JediMaster, sudo jockey-text -e xorg:nvidia_current
[15:21] <bjsnider> underscore instead of dash
[15:21] <JediMaster> bjsnider, fraid not: Unknown driver: xorg:nvidia_current
[15:22] <nokia3510> apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-{desktop,minimal,standard}
[15:22] <nokia3510> Mian, ^^^
[15:22] <Mian> nokia3510, thanks I'll try
[15:22] <bjsnider> JediMaster, there must still be a syntax problem
[15:23] <JediMaster> bjsnider, thanks for your help btw =)
[15:23] <nokia3510> Mian, also reinstall the kernel
[15:23] <Mian> how?
[15:24] <Mian> what is package name?
[15:24] <arand> JediMaster: bjsnider "jockey-text --confirm -d xorg:nvidia-185" works for me here on Karmic. Maybe specify version?
[15:24] <bjsnider> there is no nvidia-185
[15:24] <JediMaster> arand, -d disables?
[15:24] <bjsnider> JediMaster, join #ubuntu-x and ask there
[15:24] <bjsnider> i have to go
[15:25] <arand> JediMaster: Yea, just for testing, mine is in use currently
[15:25] <Mian> nokia3510, what is package name of kernel to reinstall?
[15:25] <bjsnider> arand, what ppa did you get that driver from?
[15:26] <nokia3510> Mian, in live cd, do sudo synaptic after doing the chroot and search fol linux image and linux headers
[15:26] <arand> bjsnider: Um, just default, Karmic. I was just pointing out the syntax
[15:26] <nokia3510> reinstall the installed
[15:26] <bjsnider> arand, oh, karmic
[15:26] <bjsnider> well, you can't use karmic
[15:27] <Mian> nokia3510, after chrooting, no gui apps can run from terminal
[15:27] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, JediMaster , alberto milone ppa has nvidia drivers that work on lucid ..works well on my 7600gt
[15:28] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, no, they're out of date
[15:28] <bjsnider> in fact  you aren't using them. you would have been upgraded by apt to lucid's version
[15:28] <bcurtiswx3> arand: that did it, thanks a ton
[15:29] <arand> bcurtiswx3: :)
[15:30] <researcher1> after I went for partial upgrade my Lynx failing to boot. Any help?
[15:30]  * bcurtiswx3 facepalms
[15:30] <coc0nut> researcher1: We need more info. Lots more.
[15:32] <joaopinto> coc0nut, and you need to specify which info is needed ;)
[15:32] <arand> researcher1: /var/log/apt/term.log* will show package history, browse and replace what was removed erroneously
[15:33] <coc0nut> joaopinto: I don't know what info is needed because I don't know what the problem is. ;)
[15:33] <bjsnider> JediMaster, killall jockey-backend. then try the -e command again
[15:33] <joaopinto>  coc0nut so it does't help much asking about more info when you don't know what to ask for ;)
[15:33] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, using his ppa is outdated , how can that be if it auto updates to the proper driver?
[15:34] <JediMaster> bjsnider, yeah it was running, let me try the -e again
[15:34] <coc0nut> The list of information needed to diagnose "won't boot" is a mile long.