[12:08] <Riddell> hmm, amu's live CD is broken and I can't work out why
[12:29] <Riddell> hunger: the latest abakus wasn't packaged, speedcrunch was, that's why I went with speedcrunch
[12:54] <apokryphos> Riddell: Hi, I've done what I can, but I don't know how to generate/write/create the control entries for the new applications. Any hints?
[12:56] <Riddell> apokryphos: emacs debian/control
[12:56] <Riddell> copy and paste and adapt existing ones
[12:57] <apokryphos> heh, ok
[12:57] <_tonio> Riddell: little question about universe branch of ubutu, is it getting closed when ubuntu is released ?
[12:57] <apokryphos> Riddell: and, how does it know what files to look in for the .install stuff? Is that handled from the control too?
[12:57] <_tonio> because I can see a hudge packages waiting for revuing and breezy is so close.....
[12:58] <_tonio> apokryphos ?
[12:58] <Riddell> _tonio: yes, universe is frozen on release
[12:58] <Riddell> apokryphos: give the .install file the same name as the package name in the control file
[12:58] <_tonio> arf..... sounds like so many packages will not be uploaded isn't it ?
[12:59] <Riddell> _tonio: whany in particular you want to see?
[12:59] <_tonio> apokryphos: sorry your nick sound very close from a friend of mine and I've done the confusion ;)
[12:59] <apokryphos> no problem =)
[01:00] <apokryphos> thanks Riddell; I'll try now
[01:00] <_tonio> Riddell:  no not especially, I was just wondering ;)
[01:01] <_tonio> I hope I haven't spend all that time packaging for nothing ^^
[01:02] <_tonio> Riddell: but to answer you I really think wlassistant is a must have or breezy ;) that app rocks ;)
[01:04] <Riddell> wlassistant is on my todo for tomorrow then :)
[01:05] <_tonio> you're gonna package it ? or revuing my one ?
[01:05] <_tonio> sorry stupid question
[01:05] <_tonio> damn I have difficulties to read, still lacking sleep.....
[01:06] <Riddell> _tonio: reviewing
[01:06] <_tonio> k
[01:06] <_tonio> ;)
[01:09] <_tonio> going to sleep bye all !!
[01:09] <apokryphos> 'night tonio|away
[01:09] <tonio|away> ;) tou too
[01:09] <tonio|away> you too
[02:24] <apokryphos> Riddell: .so files are generally what exactly?
[02:25] <apokryphos> writing description for libkvoctraincore (which contains all those)
[04:25] <apokryphos> Nevermind that; I'm getting an arch-error now; weird, since I have a 32-bit athlon, and all things in control look a.o.k.
[04:25] <apokryphos> Will call it a night
[09:43] <verwilst> hi Riddell
[09:43] <verwilst> anything to compile for me?
[11:06] <Riddell> guy made a splash for the kdm theme http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29410
[11:08] <Tonio-> hi
[11:11] <\sh> Riddell: looks ugly with thos funny icons
[11:21] <verwilst> yip, ugly idd :$
[11:21] <verwilst> what about moodin'? ;)
[11:22] <\sh> Riddell: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29426
[11:57] <Tonio-> Riddell: another one ;) http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29410
[11:58] <Tonio-> done by the guy that did the kdm theme you included, with the same color sheme :)
[11:59] <Riddell> Tonio-: I pointed that one 2 minutes before you came online :)
[12:00] <Tonio-> ah oki ;) this guy is doing great job ;)
[12:01] <Tonio-> Riddell: I tested and his kdmtheme + splash + wallpaper alltogether gives a very nice aspect, very homogen (don't know if that's correct english)
[12:07] <Riddell> MoodinKDE look nice but it's too late for a new package like that in main
[12:39] <Tonio-> Riddell: just posted the whishes for Adept as we discussed...
[12:39] <Riddell> cool
[12:39] <Tonio-> little question, hasn't Adept an icon for the moment ??? because if not my brother is graphist, I might ask him ;)
[12:40] <Riddell> Tonio-: it has no icon, all submitions very welcome
[12:43] <Tonio-> Riddell: okay, what kind of format is required ? svg, png bmp ? what size too ? I will send an email to my brother, but I don't know what is required to build an icon set ;)
[12:47] <Riddell> Tonio-: SVG, (and PNG sizes 16 to 128)
[12:48] <Riddell> it should fit in with the crystal theme
[12:48] <Riddell> and should convey "package manager" somehow
[12:49] <Tonio-> "convey" -> means ?
[12:51] <Riddell> give the message of
[01:03] <Tonio-> okay, well something oriented in the way synaptic and kynaptic icons are ;)
[01:03] <Tonio-> the mail is sent to my brother, that myght interessted him, I will let you know ;)
[01:03] <Tonio-> might
[01:04] <Riddell> cool
[01:04] <Tonio-> he his thinking o trying linux so i could be his first contribution, he cannot refuse lol
[01:05] <Tonio-> involving graphists to linux is hard, really ;)
[01:05] <Riddell> tell me about it
[01:05] <Tonio-> I will for sure ;)
[01:06] <Tonio-> and about the splashscreen you pointed two minutes before I came, will you include it finally ?
[01:06] <Riddell> I need to test it out but it's the mostly likely candidate
[01:07] <Riddell> the current splash screen isn't that great
[01:07] <Tonio-> ok ;)
[01:07] <Tonio-> well the concept is nice, kubuntu appearing letter by letter is okay, but well, colors are (for my eyes) badly choosen ;)
[01:09] <Riddell> it's the colours used by kde 3.5
[01:11] <apokryphos> I think the current splash is better than the other one (even if it would maintain a bit of consistency); those icons do look.. bad
[01:11] <Tonio-> Riddell: ah ok didn't knew ;)
[01:17] <apokryphos> Riddell: so, any idea why I'd be getting be getting a binary-arch error 2?
[01:31] <Riddell> apokryphos: what's one of those?
[01:31] <Riddell> ah, make error
[01:31] <apokryphos> yeah
[01:31] <Riddell> well you need to see the error message above
[01:32] <apokryphos> I do?
[01:35] <Riddell> apokryphos: what's the error that causes make to error?
[01:35] <apokryphos> as I recall, it was that one, but I'll re-get it
[01:45] <apokryphos> # make[1] : Leaving directory `/root/kdeedu/kdeedu-3.4.91'
[01:45] <apokryphos> make: *** [binary-arch]  Error 2
[01:45] <apokryphos> debuild: fatal error at line 765
[01:45] <apokryphos> Riddell: seems to be first n' only error
[01:45] <Riddell> there must be an error above that
[01:45] <Riddell> what's above that?
[01:46] <apokryphos> a lodda text -- if there is an error, my konsole doesn't scroll that high
[01:46] <apokryphos> one sec, I'll pastebin
[01:47] <apokryphos> http://pastebin.com/371861
[01:48] <Riddell> apokryphos: that's a makefile, not a compile output
[01:49] <apokryphos> Riddell: that's output from debuild -nc
[01:49] <apokryphos> I tried making kdeedu, it went for about half an hour (evidently past that point, that is), just fine
[01:49] <apokryphos> problem must be with some setting I did, perhaps
[01:50] <Riddell> why is it outputting a makefile
[01:51] <Riddell> that's crazy
[01:51] <apokryphos> I think so too :)
[01:51] <apokryphos> if worst comes to worst, and I can't compile it again for <insert obscure reason> I figure I can just send you the debian/ folder, since it has pretty much all the needed changes
[01:52] <Riddell> yes, it'll need to wait until I'm done with koffice is all
[01:52] <Riddell> which could take a while
[01:53] <apokryphos> shall I put it up available for you now, or try anything else?
[01:53] <apokryphos> can't believe this nonsense happening just when I'm coming to the end of the road :/
[01:54] <Riddell> you could try a fresh build
[01:56] <apokryphos> does that involve me putting the debian/ into a freshly extracted kdeedu-3.4.91, or just a debuild?
[01:58] <Riddell> just a debuild
[02:03] <\sh> Riddell: btw...did u get an answer from mdz (amarok-1.3.2?)
[02:03] <Riddell> \sh: don't think so
[02:45] <\sh> Riddell: think about icpf integration ;)
[02:45] <Riddell> \sh: what's that?
[02:45] <\sh> http://ipcf.freedesktop.org/wiki/
[02:46] <\sh> #
[02:46] <\sh> Better Desktop of Presence Management/Connection Management for IM/Mail etc. (see [WWW]  IPCF - Inter-Personal Communication Framework)
[02:46] <\sh>     *
[02:46] <\sh>       Thinking of ShtoomVoIP Breezy Goal, dotUbuntu etc. we should work on this project to have a transparent framework for the (K)Ubuntu Desktop. Together with a Launchpad Integration for User Authentication and some newly created community services like Mail/Jabber/SIP we could have a highly integrated desktop.
[02:46] <\sh> that's my BoF proposal for UBZ ,-)
[02:47] <Riddell> \sh: slap it on the list then
[02:47] <\sh> 6
[02:47] <\sh> k
[02:53] <apokryphos> Riddell: after long time...same error :/
[02:53] <apokryphos> and still producing that dang Makefile
[02:54] <Riddell> and sending it to stdout?
[02:55] <apokryphos> I presume so; exactly the same as before
[02:56] <Riddell> crazy
[02:56] <Riddell> debuild -S and give me a URL to the .diff, .dsc and .orig, I'll try and take a look
[02:56] <apokryphos> ok, thank you :)
[03:12] <apokryphos> gah, finally found the gpg issue (doing chroot /var/somechroot) apparently doesn't look in /root/ as ~ despite you being root
[03:12] <apokryphos> uploading now, anyhow; though, no diff generated from the debuild -S?
[03:24] <Riddell> debuild -S should make a .diff.gz file
[03:24] <Riddell> unless the .orig is named wrongly and it can't find it
[03:25] <apokryphos> orig.tar.gz; seems fine
[03:26] <Riddell> apokryphos: what's the .orig full file name?
[03:27] <apokryphos> I have to head out literally now, so if those two aren't enough, then I'll have to try to do it later
[03:27] <apokryphos> kdeedu-3.4.91.orig.tar.gz
[03:27] <apokryphos> http://www.giannaros.org/kde3.5/breezy/kdeedu/
[03:27] <apokryphos> sorry about this; I'll get back to it when I can
[03:47] <verwilst> kdeedu_3.4.91 ;)
[06:38] <apokryphos> Riddell: sorry about that; back now
[08:03] <\sh> phew
[08:04] <\sh> Riddell: please have a look on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUIM/DesktopIntegrationSIPIM so u know what'll come up in the future ;)
[08:44] <\sh> Riddell: I have the feeling that changing the songs in amarok takes longer in 1.3.x then in 1.2.x
[08:55] <Riddell> \sh: how do you mean?
[08:55] <Riddell> that's no crossfade
[08:56] <\sh> Riddell: if you click with your mouse on another song it takes more time (seconds) then before in 1.2.x
[08:57] <Riddell> \sh: click (select) or double click (play)?
[08:57] <\sh> when it's playing already,
[08:57] <JRe> \sh: may be it's because there is now a fading with xine
[08:58] <\sh> JRe: running gstreamer alsaink
[08:58] <\sh> no fading
[08:58] <JRe> \sh: ha ok
[08:59] <\sh> or my laptop is fck up
[08:59] <\sh> will see it later...when I reboot
[09:41] <\sh> 3 secs to change a song with gstreamer alsa
[09:46] <Tm_T> \sh_away: hmm, alsasink is buggy atleast
[10:19] <lamont> Riddell: ICE ^^^
[10:20] <Tm_T> =)
[10:31] <lamont> Riddell: knetworkconf, ditto.
[10:32] <Riddell> lamont: fairly expected, I'm doing an uplo
[10:32] <Riddell> upload of kdebase probably tomorrow
[10:32] <lamont> kewlness
[10:36] <lamont> Riddell: a list of log files containing the string 'internal compiler' will shortly be available at build.mmjgroup.com/~buildd/kde-errors.txt
[10:36] <lamont> (once the find| grep finishes..)
[10:37] <lamont> done
[10:37] <lamont> only 7 logs
[10:37] <lamont> (that's libk* and k*, nothing else)
[10:38] <lamont> kdebase, kdebindings, kdegraphics, kdelibs, kdenetwork, kdepim, kdenetworkconf
[10:38] <lamont> where at least one of those is fixed now. :)
[10:51] <Riddell> "Unknown host build.mmjgroup.com"
[11:15] <_tonio> Riddell: my brother is gonna see to make a little icon set for adept this week end ;) You wanted to be aware, you are !
[11:22] <Riddell> cool
[11:23] <apokryphos> Riddell: anything I should do for the moment? You think it would be best to just leave the debian/ up somewhere?
[11:26] <apokryphos> damn, I hate being a hassle :)
[11:30] <Riddell> apokryphos: start another module?
[11:30] <apokryphos> Riddell: would you really want me doing that :P
[11:31] <apokryphos> probably not a good idea
[11:32] <apokryphos> so far: one thing I packaged and seemed ok was borked (bad dependencies), second thing I tried failed miserably, and last one I tried... didn't really work
[11:33] <apokryphos> I guess I could try to organise the debian/ (one thing I can apparently do)
[11:53] <lamont> Riddell: buildd.mmjgroup.com, sorry
[11:53] <lamont> Riddell: buildd.mmjgroup.com/buildLogs looks alot like p.u.c/~lamont/buildLogs, but only for hppa/sparc
[11:54] <_tonio> 'hite all
[11:54] <_tonio> 'nite


[00:11] <rye> duanedesign, looks like bug #575817
[00:14] <duanedesign> rye: ahh thank you
[00:14] <duanedesign> will look at that
[00:14] <rye> duanedesign, but it looks like it could drop one file, but not all
[00:16] <rye> duanedesign, no, that's not it
[00:17] <rye> i believe that bug will need to be forked out since there is only a disconnect pretty much long time ago
[03:47] <brad_> Hello
[03:47] <brad_> Joshua
[03:48] <brad_> Did you happen to get a hold of a developer to look into my download issues?
[03:49] <brad_> Duane... How about you?
[03:50] <brad_> honk
[03:52] <brad_> honk\
[03:52] <brad_> honk
[03:52] <brad_> honk
[03:52] <brad_> honk
[03:52] <brad_> honk
[03:53] <brad_> I don't think it's fair that I purchased a album and I'm not entitled to download it
[03:53] <brad_> honk
[03:53] <brad_> honk
[05:22] <tritium> When will Tomboy note synchronization be re-enabled?  I want to do a clean install of 10.04, but not being able to sync my notes is holding that up, as I don't want to lose recent changes that haven't yet synchronized.
[06:36] <kermiac> tritium: notes synchronisation has not been disabled. Only bookmarks & contacts sync are disabled atm
[07:18] <tritium> kermiac: any idea why it's not working, then?
[08:29] <duanedesign> morning all
[08:38] <kermiac> hi duanedesign :)
[08:54] <kermiac> anyone know a good workaround &/or master bug for "gnomekeyring.IOError:"? I've seen a couple of bug reports with this error lately
[09:32] <today> hi everyone ! I have a problem with UbuntuOne, plz help me http://paste.ubuntu.com/433231/
[09:33] <today> I have a problem with UbuntuOne, plz help me http://paste.ubuntu.com/433231/
[09:38] <rye> if today said majic "h0nk" word i would have asked him to check whether seahorse can start and see whether starting gnome-keyring fixes that
[09:42] <kermiac> ah, that answers my earlier question - thanks rye :)  Do we have a master bug for that gnomekeyring.IOError? I've seen a few of them lately
[09:43] <rye> kermiac, i believe it is gnome keyring that quits unexpectedly and since people tend to use browsers that do not store credentials in gnome-keyring they probably will face the issue only with ubuntuone
[09:44] <rye> kermiac, nobody hits keyring usually... for now
[09:45] <kermiac> rye, yeah thanks :) I've seen this issue popping up in relation to a few packages (like gwibber) lately. seems likely that it might be a gnome-keyring issue
[09:46] <rye> kermiac, we do not make gnome-keyring quit usually
[09:49] <kermiac> rye: yes, I understand that :) seems like a lot of people are having gnome-keyring either not start or start too slowly  (this is just my understanding of the issue - I could be totally wrong). also, it seems like jdobrien is working on this same issue in bug 567194
[09:49] <kermiac> although that bug report mentions x64 specifically
[09:50] <jstar-tw> hi, is there a KDE client for ubuntu-one available for Kubuntu lucid ?
[09:52] <kermiac> rye: another quick example of this issue is bug 579158.
[11:21] <ahall> I have a problem, I signed up for ubuntuone account few months ago and got contacts and all synced fine. After upgrade to Lucid things started going a bit south. I have two machines running 10.04 connecting to it and I get nasty replication errors in desktop couch log on both machines. I have tried wiping all traces of ubuntu one on 1 box, deleting the tokens and connecting it back. Even wiped desktopcouch but it happens again. Been searching the forums bu
[12:03] <stapel> I understand there is a Windows client in the works. Does anyone know what the progress on this is?
[12:16] <stapel> I understand there is a Windows client in the works. Does anyone know what the progress on this is?
[13:35] <Flash_> ey guys
[13:35] <Flash_> anyone knows when the contac database will be back again?
[13:36] <Flash_> i've just downloaded ubuntu one on my iphone and cant wait to try it^^
[13:38] <Mon_> I need my notes ;)
[13:41] <sniper> ciao
[15:46] <josephnexus> are there any plans to add versioning to ubuntu one?
[16:13] <ahall> ahh the contact database is gone, that explains my problems :)
[16:47] <apachelogger> whom do I cry to about syncdaemon code business?
[16:48] <beuno> apachelogger, a lot of people
[16:48] <beuno> what's up?
[16:48] <apachelogger> main.py queries gnomekeyring for the access token
[16:49] <apachelogger> instead it should query via dbus to com.ubuntuone.Authentication
[16:49] <beuno> dobey, verterok, around?
[16:50] <verterok> apachelogger: are you sure about that? :)
[16:50] <apachelogger> about the usage of keyring or the dbus query?
[16:50]  * apachelogger can do authentication via a Qt+KWallet implementation of com.ubuntuone.Authentication now
[16:50] <apachelogger> well, if syncdaemon gets changed around to not enforce a secret storage backend
[16:51] <verterok> apachelogger: but com.ubuntuone.Authentication doesn't return the token, also isn't secure enough to pass tokens around via DBus, that's plain tetxt
[16:51] <verterok> *text
[16:52]  * apachelogger is wondering how the common secrets daemon will handle that stuff
[16:52] <verterok> apachelogger: com.ubuntuone.Authentication sends a NewCredentials signal with: realm, consumer_key
[16:52] <joshuahoover> verterok: not sure this is relevant to the discussion, but at one time there was talk of using python-keyring
[16:52] <verterok> apachelogger: the "client" needs to get the token from the secure storage
[16:53] <verterok> joshuahoover: yes, I know, but for some reason we didn't do it
[16:53] <apachelogger> in that case we need a class to try obtaining the token from either gnomekeyring or kwallet
[16:53] <joshuahoover> verterok: yeah, i never got a reason for why, maybe we should bring it back up for maverick?
[16:54] <verterok> apachelogger: python-keyring do that! :)
[16:54] <apachelogger> or implement that inline in syncdaemon's main.py if you will
[16:54] <apachelogger> verterok: well... then... ;)
[16:55] <verterok> apachelogger, joshuahoover: dobey might know better about why we didn't use python-keyring for lucid
[16:55] <verterok> joshuahoover: indeed :)
[16:55] <joshuahoover> verterok: right, dobey and/or statik...they were the ones originally requesting it and then decided not to request it be included in main
[16:57]  * verterok looks at dobey/statik :)
[16:58] <verterok> apachelogger: if we can't use python-keyring, we can add a sort of plugin mechanism, so you can hook whatever you need to use kwallet
[16:59] <verterok> a *very* simple/naive plugin kind of stuff
[16:59] <joshuahoover> verterok: related to python-keyring, i was (slightly) surprised that there doesn't appear to be a gnome-keyring/kwallet/keychain equivalent for windows (that is part of the os, anyway)
[17:00] <verterok> joshuahoover: I think there is a crypto-storage in windows
[17:00] <joshuahoover> verterok: i'll send an email to the team list to see if it makes sense to include python-keyring in maverick
[17:00] <joshuahoover> verterok: i don't recall there being one...for ie, yes (similar to firefox) but i don't think there is one system wide...maybe win7? not sure
[17:01] <verterok> joshuahoover: in python-keyring slang it's called: Win32CryptoKeyring
[17:01] <verterok> joshuahoover: check http://pypi.python.org/pypi/keyring :)
[17:01] <verterok> joshuahoover: win 2k+
[17:03] <verterok> apachelogger: you'r working in python? I mean the KDE integration it's in python or C++?
[17:04] <apachelogger> c++
[17:04] <joshuahoover> verterok: ah yes, i saw that...just wondered why it was listed as something different than the gnome, kde, os x equivalents
[17:04] <apachelogger> of course parts could be done in python, like curerntly the desktopcouch pairing is still done in python ;)
[17:06] <verterok> apachelogger: we could isolate the keyring access to oauthdesktop, and use the OAuthClient in oauthdesktop.main, so there is a single place where the keyring is accessed
[17:06] <verterok> apachelogger: that way support for kwallet/python-keyring should be a lot simple
[17:06] <verterok> apachelogger: and make sure desktopcouch use the same stuff ;)
[17:07] <apachelogger> *nod*
[17:08] <apachelogger> of course we should keep in mind that at some point org.freedesktop.Secret.Service will arrive and basically obsolete the different code for kwally and gnome-keyring altogether
[17:08] <verterok> apachelogger: and it should be a quite simpel branch to do it (use oauthdesktop.auth.AuthorisationClient in syncdaemon)
[17:09] <verterok> apachelogger: indeed, so keeping the access to the keyring in a single place will make that change also easier :)
[17:09] <apachelogger> right :)
[17:16] <leonel> Hello
[17:16] <joshuahoover> hi leonel
[17:17] <leonel> Any plans to take Ubuntu one to the server .. I mean  use ubuntu one without any graphican environment ?
[17:17] <leonel>  s/graphican/graphical
[17:19] <joshuahoover> leonel: i don't believe it's on our list for maverick but i'm sure we'd welcome contributions to help us get there sooner :)
[17:19] <leonel> so the only "solution" now is to install  gnome --no-install-recommends  and install ubuntu one  on the server then access with vnc ?
[17:20] <joshuahoover> leonel: i think so unless verterok or someone else knows of a better way
[17:21] <verterok> leonel: you need dbus and gnome-keyring in order to make it work, so yes.. :/
[17:22] <leonel> thanks
[17:59] <duanedesign> ahall: right now the Sync between your desktops and the cloud is currently disabled.
[17:59] <duanedesign> for Contacts
[18:06] <ahall> i feel relieved there is an explanation :)
[18:12] <duanedesign> ahall: Should be back up very soon
[18:14] <ahall> thanks for that
[18:18] <josephnexus> any plans for a windows client for ubuntuone?
[18:19] <beuno> josephnexus, yes, within the next 6 months we plan to release one
[18:21] <josephnexus> and for mac?
[18:22] <beuno> there are no plans for max at the moment
[18:22] <josephnexus> ok
[18:22] <beuno> although it shouldn't be super hard to port I think
[18:22]  * josephnexus just wanted to check
[18:22] <josephnexus> yeah
[18:22] <beuno> we do have a contact sync client for the iphone
[18:28] <josephnexus> but not the n900 :-(\
[18:28] <beuno> not super well on the n900
[18:28] <beuno> it doesn't have good support for syncml
[18:28] <josephnexus> is there a way to be a reseller for the service?
[18:28]  * josephnexus has a lot of clientelle and would rather see them supporting canonical
[18:29] <beuno> josephnexus, you should get in touch with<EMAIL_ADDRESS>about that
[18:32] <josephnexus> k, thanks
[18:33] <pookito> guys I am having a problem with ubuntuone,
[18:33] <josephnexus> pookito, what's the problem?
[18:33] <pookito> for some reason UO is not working with Kubuntu and I need to download a file
[18:33] <josephnexus> go to one.ubuntu.com/files
[18:33] <josephnexus> in your browser
[18:33] <pookito> I know can do it via Web UI but I do not know how
[18:34] <josephnexus> you should be able to log in from the site I just sent you and grab it
[18:34] <pookito> give me a sec
[18:35] <pookito> it is only giving me the uption to upload, new folder and share.  but that's is it
[18:35] <pookito> I try clicking in more at the left but the download option is not there
[18:35] <beuno> pookito, what browser are you using?
[18:36] <pookito> konqueror
[18:36] <josephnexus> would it be possible for you to try firefox?
[18:36] <beuno> pookito, try something else
[18:36] <beuno> firefox, chromium
[18:36] <beuno> maybe we have a bug
[18:36] <pookito> sure, I'll use ff
[18:36] <beuno> what version of konqueror?
[18:42] <pookito> beuno: the latest version which came up with kubuntu 10.04
[18:42] <pookito> I think it does have a bug, since it did not want to work with ff either
[18:42] <beuno> pookito, gotcha. I will need to test that. Did firefox give you metter results?
[18:43] <beuno> well, that is very very odd then
[18:43] <beuno> pookito, do you have javascript enabled?
[18:43] <pookito> I had to right click on the file and then save as
[18:43] <pookito> or link save as
[18:43] <beuno> that is super odd
[18:43] <pookito> I had a couple of copies in the file
[18:43] <pookito> the one which was as a folder did not work
[18:43] <beuno> right, you can't download folders
[18:43] <pookito> but the one which was compress I was able to download it as a save as link
[18:44] <beuno> yeah, yay for progressive enhancement
[18:44] <beuno> I added that in exactly for that
[18:44] <beuno> javascript failing
[18:44] <pookito> Thanks beuno,
[18:44] <beuno> pookito, but you have something wrong in your system
[18:44] <pookito> I appreciated, I really needed those files
[18:45] <pookito> well
[18:45] <beuno> the web ui works on all browsers I can test
[18:45] <pookito> it's been working like that for me since it came out
[18:45] <pookito> the only difference
[18:45] <pookito>  is that now, ubuntuone does not want to work with kubuntu
[18:45] <pookito> and I do not like gnome at all
[18:46] <beuno> pookito, so when you click on "more" for a file, it doesn't expand and show you a "download" link?
[18:46] <pookito> I downloaded all the dependencies and still UO does not work, I do not know how
[18:46] <pookito> well
[18:46] <josephnexus> beuno, any plans for adding versioning (example: see this file from a week ago)
[18:46] <beuno> josephnexus, yes sir
[18:46] <beuno> it's in our Maverick roadmap
[18:47] <beuno> so in the next 6 months
[18:47] <pookito> it does expand but it does not show the download link
[18:47] <josephnexus> pookito, what happens if you just click on the file you need?
[18:47] <josephnexus> or are you trying to grab a folder?
[18:47] <beuno> pookito, for files?  or folders?
[18:47] <josephnexus> beuno, if you can get versioning going on, i know i'd sign up
[18:47] <josephnexus> :-D
[18:47] <josephnexus> svn is too... svnish
[18:47] <josephnexus> :-P
[18:48] <beuno> josephnexus, it will happen!
[18:48] <pookito> well, now in ff it does not open  it goes inside of the folder like in a window, but it does not show the download
[18:49] <pookito> now, I can see that the files I can download right away
[18:49] <pookito> thanks bueno
[18:49] <pookito> bueno, I won't take more of your time
[18:49] <beuno> pookito, no worries
[19:18] <directhex> dear u1, please actually give me my song now... it's on remote storage, but won't come down the pipe. it's been hours. no love, directhex
[19:24] <duanedesign> hello directhex
[19:26] <directhex> afternoon
[19:29] <beep_gr> hallo
[19:29] <josephnexus> hi beep_gr
[19:33] <duanedesign> directhex: having trouble syncing?
[19:33] <beep_gr> I made a mistake and I synchronized a non ubuntu one folder and when the folder added to ubuntu one web site, i deleted it from nautilus file manager but it didn't removed from the site
[19:34] <beuno> beep_gr, it takes a while to delete a lot of files
[19:34] <beuno> you can, however, delete it from thr web ui
[19:34] <beep_gr> when i press more, there is no delete option
[19:34] <directhex> duanedesign, yeah, waiting for a purchased track to show up locally. a track i bought after it was pretty much instant
[19:35] <duanedesign> beep_gr: if you run the command :  u1sdtool --list-folders you can see if the UDF is still listed
[19:35] <beuno> beep_gr, ah, it's a UDF
[19:36] <beep_gr> yes and i tried to remove them, the command was correct but when i check if it still shared, the folders are still visible
[19:37] <beep_gr> what is udf?
[19:37] <duanedesign> directhex: what does the command   u1sdtool -s  return. You can post multiple lines at http://paste.ubuntu.com
[19:37] <duanedesign> beep_gr: User Designated Folder
[19:37] <directhex> duanedesign, idle, processing queues.
[19:40] <beep_gr> one folder has the name router (if I understand what you ask)
[19:44] <duanedesign> directhex: try the command: touch ~/.ubuntuone/Purcharsed\ from\ Ubuntu\ One/placeholder; u1sdtool --quit; u1sdtool --connect
[19:45] <duanedesign> it creates an empty file in your purchased folder then restarts ubuntu one
[19:46] <duanedesign> beep_gr: does the folder show up? The one you want to be deleted.
[19:47] <beep_gr> yes
[19:48] <directhex> duanedesign, seems to have come down on disk, but the u1ms widget hasn't acknowledged that detail. hrm.
[19:48]  * directhex smells more unicode failure
[19:48] <monkey_dust> hi all -- i am unable to launch ubuntu one, it says: Failed to execute child process "ubuntuone-client-applet" (No such file or directory)
[19:48] <duanedesign> beep_gr: there is a command you can use to remove that folder
[19:49] <beep_gr> probably the site is mixed up because when i syncronized for the first time, i deleted it from my computer, when i restored it and the site has something like broken link and it cannot connect into the restored folder
[19:49] <josephnexus> beuno: i'm good friends with an awesome band, how would they go about adding their music to the music store for sale?
[19:49] <directhex> josephnexus, via 7digital afaik
[19:49] <beuno> josephnexus, we don't currently have control over what goes there, so yeah, via 7digital
[19:50] <duanedesign> beep_gr: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/FAQ#How%20do%20I%20stop%20synchronizing%20a%20folder%20outside%20my%20~/Ubuntu%20One%20folder
[19:51] <beep_gr> when i right click into the folder (via nautilus) and choose to synchronize to ubuntu one, the option 'stop synchronizing' is to visible.
[19:52] <beep_gr> when i remove the folders via u1sdtool --unsubscribe-folder and i give the command u1sdtool --list-folders, the folders are still on
[19:53] <beep_gr> is there a way to remove the folders via website? There must be a broken link and the synch is not possible
[19:54] <duanedesign> beep_gr: you sure you have the folderID right? The command should look like.  u1sdtool --unsubscribe-folder=c4d1e6f9-931b-45c6-8fac-83039081524
[19:55] <beep_gr> yes... and the is no error report
[19:55] <duanedesign> hmm
[19:56] <duanedesign> monkey_dust: hello
[19:56] <duanedesign> monkey_dust: what version of Ubuntu One are you running?  dpkg -l ubuntuone-client
[19:57] <duanedesign> the newer versions do not have the applet
[20:04] <monkey_dust> duanedesign, http://paste.ubuntu.com/433500/
[20:06] <duanedesign> monkey_dust: yeah, that version does not have the applet
[20:06] <duanedesign> it was replaced by   ubuntuone-preferences
[20:06] <monkey_dust> duanedesign, it keeps mentioning this applet -- i have been using lucid since beta1, dunno what changed in ubuntuone since
[20:08] <duanedesign> monkey_dust: Ubuntu One is mentioning the applet?
[20:08] <monkey_dust> i also looked for a .ubuntuone map
[20:09] <duanedesign> you are not typing in 'ubuntuone-applet' into the Terminal?
[20:09] <monkey_dust> duanedesign, when i click Appl > Internet  > Ubuntuone
[20:09] <duanedesign> monkey_dust: ahh
[20:09] <duanedesign> monkey_dust: you are still on Karmic?
[20:10] <monkey_dust> a light starts ti shine? :)
[20:10] <monkey_dust> no lucid, after dist-upgrade, no fresh install
[20:10] <duanedesign> The newer versions of Ubuntu One are started by either going to the Me Menu (in Lucid) or going to System > Preferences > Ubuntu One (in Karmic)
[20:11] <duanedesign> monkey_dust: i am sorry you just told me you were running lucid :P
[20:11] <monkey_dust> yes lucid
[20:11] <josephnexus> duanedesign: aren't they automagically running as a service?
[20:11] <josephnexus> that way if your user isn't logged in it still syncs?
[20:11] <monkey_dust> duanedesign, Ubuntu One is in the Me Menu, but does nothing when i click it
[20:12] <duanedesign> monkey_dust: not sure why it left the entry in your Menu under pplications > Internet. You can probablly delete that. Or change the command it runs to    ubuntuone-preferences
[20:12] <duanedesign> monkey_dust: can you open a Terminal
[20:12] <duanedesign> and run ubuntuone-preferences
[20:13] <duanedesign> monkey_dust: hopefully it will spit out a clue as to why its not starting.
[20:14] <monkey_dust> duanedesign, http://paste.ubuntu.com/433503/
[20:17] <duanedesign> monkey_dust: can you post your  ~/.config/ubuntuone/syncdaemon.conf
[20:21] <monkey_dust> duanedesign, Ubuntu One works fine in the guest session, is there some way this could help to solve the problem?
[20:23] <duanedesign> josephnexus: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/FAQ#How%20do%20independent%20artists%20from%20the%20Ubuntu%20community%20get%20their%20songs%20into%20the%20store?
[20:23] <duanedesign> monkey_dust: can you post your  ~/.config/ubuntuone/syncdaemon.conf
[20:23] <duanedesign> at pastebin
[20:25] <monkey_dust> duanedesign, http://paste.ubuntu.com/433507/
[20:27] <duanedesign> aha
[20:27] <duanedesign> monkey_dust: quit the syncdaemon with the command:   u1sdtool -q
[20:28] <monkey_dust> duanedesign, stopped ok
[20:28] <duanedesign> monkey_dust: then delete that file ( it willl be reproduced)  rm ~/.config/ubuntuone/syncdaemon.conf
[20:28] <duanedesign> then launch Ubuntu One normally
[20:28] <monkey_dust> not better
[20:31] <duanedesign> monkey_dust: ok
[20:34] <duanedesign> monkey_dust: try this command    u1sdtool -q; killall ubuntuone-login; killall ubuntuone-preferences; u1sdtool -c
[20:35] <ahall> seems like ubuntuone requires networkmanager to be present, what if you are on a static IP and remove networkmanager
[20:36] <ahall> ah nvm there is a bug for that
[20:37] <monkey_dust> that's my situation, yes, static IP, no network manager -- after the command: Operation not permitted
[20:37] <duanedesign> ahall: i am not certain but i think the newer versions do not require network manager
[20:37] <ahall> i'm up to date and just see an exception in the syncdaemon-exceptions.log though
[20:37] <duanedesign> ahall: do you have the bug #
[20:37] <ahall> 357395
[20:38] <ahall> there was another one that was flagged as a duplicate of this one
[20:38] <duanedesign> ahall: what is the exception?
[20:38] <ahall> can i paste here? it's only 3 lines
[20:38] <duanedesign> if its not to bad, i am sure it will be fine
[20:39] <ahall> 2010-05-14 20:28:49,109 - dbus.proxies - ERROR - Introspect error on org.freedesktop.NetworkManager:/org/freedesktop/NetworkManager: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freedesktop.NetworkManager was not provided by any .service files
[20:39] <ahall> 2010-05-14 20:28:49,134 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.DBus - ERROR - Error while getting the NetworkManager state org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freedesktop.NetworkManager was not provided by any .service files
[20:39] <duanedesign> ok
[20:39] <duanedesign> bug 357395
[20:44] <monkey_dust> that page is about karmic (and jaunty), not about lucid
[20:44] <ahall> yeah this must be a different issue
[20:45] <duanedesign> monkey_dust: ok try the command:  gnome-keyring-daemon; ubuntuone-preferences
[20:46] <monkey_dust> duanedesign, yes, asks for the keyring pasword, then a lot of technical stuff, but then: Got empty result for devices list.
[20:47] <monkey_dust> http://paste.ubuntu.com/433519/
[20:50] <duanedesign> monkey_dust: can you open  Open Applications->Accessories->Passwords and Encryption Keys
[20:51] <monkey_dust> duanedesign, yes
[20:51] <duanedesign> look for the Ubuntu ONe Token
[20:51] <monkey_dust> duanedesign, Ubuntu One seems to launch but finds no device
[20:53] <duanedesign> monkey_dust: the empty device list is bug 576263
[20:53] <monkey_dust> duanedesign, does this mean that it is all due to a known bug?:s
[20:54] <duanedesign> the workaround for that bug is to delete your Token and reauthorize your computer
[20:59] <monkey_dust> duanedesign, yes, that did the trick, tnx, but shouldn't there be an icon in the notification area?
[21:03] <monkey_dust> thanks duanedesign , you're the best, it seems to work just fine :)
[21:04] <duanedesign> monkey_dust: great!
[21:04] <duanedesign> thanks for being so patient :)
[21:06] <monkey_dust> i used to be a technical helpdesk agent, that helps ;)
[21:08] <duanedesign> ahall: is your issue that it is not connecting or just not syncing files?
[21:18] <tull> anyone know if i can remove a song or an album from the basket of ubuntu one in rhythmbox?
[21:20] <joshuahoover> tull: you should be able to click on the small "x" next to the song price in your "basket"
[21:20] <tull> resolved: there is a simple X
[21:20] <tull> thank you
[21:20] <joshuahoover> tull: :)
[21:57] <CogitoErgoSam> hey guys I'm new to Ubunto One; is there a way to preserve execute privs on a file that's shared?  Its not in the Ubuntu One folder, but in a different one that works fine for synching the actual files.
[21:58] <CogitoErgoSam> Its not that annoying to chmod on my scripts I'm working on when I work on them on a new station, but if theres a setting to change that it would be preferable
[22:02] <beuno> CogitoErgoSam, there isn't anything at the moment
[22:02] <beuno> we're aware of it, and will eventually fix it, but it's not on the immediate roadmap
[22:02] <CogitoErgoSam> Ok, sounds good.
[22:04] <elleuca> hi, is the contacts synchronization still disabled?
[22:04] <beuno> elleuca, it is
[22:04] <beuno> we're very very very close to re-enabling it
[22:04] <beuno> we need to perform some final tests
[22:05] <CogitoErgoSam> On a semi-related topic, are there any event scripts that run when ubuntu one starts synching, ends synching, etc.  Something that could be hooked onto?
[22:05] <elleuca> beuno, thanks, I'll wait :)
[22:05] <beuno> CogitoErgoSam, I think dbus
[22:05] <beuno> verterok would know more
[22:05] <beuno> but he seems gone for the week
[22:06] <CogitoErgoSam> okey dokey, I'll make a note.  That approach could provide a quick fix for the execute privs
[22:09] <beuno> CogitoErgoSam, you can raise that in the users mailing list
[22:09] <beuno> the smartest people will be able to answer there  :)
[22:09] <CogitoErgoSam> Thanks, I'll check it out.


[16:46] <mlankhorst> Sarvatt: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62434 ? I guess that was the arm bug?


[11:31] <embrik> I want my ubuntu hardy server to be a domain controller and that my pupils can log on to every workstations at school with a roaming profile - I haven't found any howto on this - does anyone know?
[11:47] <bdoin> ogra: do you know the status of GCompris on Jaunty ?
[11:50] <Yagisan> embrik, I'd start with investigating the samba package.
[12:09] <embrik> Yagisan, I don't think samba is useful with roaming profiles
[12:10] <embrik> Yagisan, every workstations will bee Ubuntu
[12:20] <Yagisan> ...
[12:20] <Yagisan> he did mention a domain controller ...
[12:20]  * Yagisan goes to bed.
[12:20] <ogra> bdoin, i'm not doing edu stuff anymore ... LaserJock might know more about the gcompris status
[12:21] <Yagisan> O-o ogra - you don't do edu anymore ? I have been away for far too long.
[12:21] <ogra> since about a year now
[12:22] <ogra> i'm in the mobile team, caring mostly for ARM enablement this release
[12:22] <Yagisan> cool
[12:23]  * Yagisan acquired an eeepc to use as his main. I'll be looking forward to seeing anything that makes the battery last longer, and fitting on the screen ok
[12:24] <Yagisan> anyway - off to bed.
[12:46] <bdoin> ogra: thanks for the information
[16:31] <davidgroos> Hi All!
[16:33] <davidgroos> I'm currently in my classroom--on prep--and am trying to troubleshoot why only some of my LTSP 5 thin clients are booting
[16:33] <davidgroos> They get to the screen where they attempt to PXE boot, looking for a DHCP and don't succeed and after 30 seconds or so exit.
[16:34] <davidgroos> Would someone tell me where to start troubleshooting this?  I think it may be iTALC related.
[16:35] <davidgroos> Somehow.
[16:48] <davidgroos> Is this helpful?  I see warnings like this all the time and google hasn't been my friend for this one, yet:
[16:48] <davidgroos> (in client_log)...
[16:49] <davidgroos> [critical] isdServer::isdServer(...): could not start ISD server: The boutnd address is already in use
[16:49] <davidgroos> typo: boutnd-->bound
[17:25] <Ahmuck> david, i know nothing
[17:25] <Ahmuck> with that out of the way, your ltsp clients are booting thin ?
[17:41] <davidgroos_> Hi Ahmuck!
[17:41] <davidgroos_> Thanks again for responding!
[17:42] <davidgroos_> Yes-- some are booting thin, others aren't booting.
[17:42] <davidgroos_> I've removed the HD and CD drives...
[17:42] <davidgroos_> Gotta get back to teaching!
[17:42] <davidgroos_> But I'll be back later...
[18:14] <davidgroos_> Maybe I'll check out the LTSP room...  Later...
[21:56] <faustino3331> stgraber: i've deleted everything in opt/ltsp and in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp and now the thin clients boot
[21:57] <faustino3331> stgraber : i have an ioctl error in the thin clients but it boots and works so maybe it's not serious
[21:57] <stgraber> yeah, it's the nbd reconnection process
[21:57] <stgraber> haven't found a few to make it quiet
[21:58] <faustino3331> so is not serious?
[21:58] <faustino3331> it's just some little problem?
[21:59] <faustino3331> i've tried thin-client-manager but it doesn't see any of my thin clients
[21:59] <faustino3331> do i need to make something special?
[22:00] <faustino3331> stgraber: and i've tried italc but it is to slow in control mode
[22:04] <stgraber> did you try running italc on the thin client instead, I believe we have some doc on the wiki for that
[22:04] <stgraber> basically installing italc-client in the chroot, syncronize the keys with the host, set START_ITALC=True in lts.conf and rebuild the image
[22:05] <stgraber> but as I said, I think we have some doc
[23:06] <Lns> faustino3331: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/iTalc
[23:40] <faustino3331> thanks Lns and stgraber one more thing to read tomorow at school
[23:40] <Lns> =) np


[00:00]  * bjf off to a meeting
[00:37] <dtchen> ogasawara: hi, did you have a laptop that experienced bug 279478?
[00:37] <ubot3> Malone bug 279478 in linux "alsa sound fades out when headphones are plugged in until you inaudible" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/279478
[00:38] <ogasawara> dtchen: not that I know of, but let me test really quick
[00:39] <dtchen> ogasawara: seems to hit Dell Dimension E52x
[00:39] <dtchen> anything with SSID 0x102801?d
[00:41] <ogasawara> dtchen: I've got a 1420 here, 1028:01f3
[00:42] <dtchen> excellent, same codec
[00:42] <dtchen> it defaults to the model=dell-bios quirk, however
[00:42] <dtchen> so I don't think you'll have the same symptoms
[00:42] <ogasawara> dtchen: sound remains after I insert headphones
[00:43] <dtchen> ogasawara: do you have a separate Headphone profile when you right-click the speaker icon in the lower GNOME panel and choose Sound Preferences > Hardware ?
[00:45] <dtchen> regardless, you have a completely different quirk, so this bug wouldn't be relevant
[00:45] <ogasawara> dtchen: I don't see it
[00:45] <dtchen> mmkay
[00:46] <dtchen> how about: echo autospawn = no|tee -a ~/.pulse/client.conf && killall pulseaudio && sudo alsa force-unload && sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel model=3stack && rm ~/.pulse/client.conf
[00:47] <dtchen> jack sense is such a mess right now :(
[00:48]  * MsMaco gives dtchen cookies
[00:48] <ogasawara> ogasawara@emiko:~$ echo autospawn = no|tee -a ~/.pulse/client.conf && killall pulseaudio && sudo alsa force-unload && sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel model=3stack && rm ~/.pulse/client.conf
[00:48] <ogasawara> autospawn = no
[00:48] <ogasawara> [sudo] password for ogasawara:
[00:48] <ogasawara> lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon file system /home/ogasawara/.gvfs
[00:48] <ogasawara>       Output information may be incomplete.
[00:48] <ogasawara> lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon file system /home/ogasawara/.gvfs
[00:48] <ogasawara>       Output information may be incomplete.
[00:48] <ogasawara> Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: snd-hda-codec-idt snd-hda-intel snd-hda-codec snd-hwdep snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-pcm snd-seq-dummy snd-seq-oss snd-seq-midi snd-rawmidi snd-seq-midi-event snd-seq snd-timer snd-seq-device snd-page-alloc (failed: modules still loaded: snd-hda-codec-idt snd-hda-codec snd-hwdep snd-pcm snd-timer snd-page-alloc).
[00:49] <dtchen> barf
[00:49] <dtchen> sudo fuser -v /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/* /dev/seq*
[00:49] <ogasawara> ogasawara@emiko:~$ sudo fuser -v /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/* /dev/seq*
[00:49] <ogasawara> Cannot stat /dev/dsp*: No such file or directory
[00:49] <ogasawara> Cannot stat /dev/dsp*: No such file or directory
[00:49] <ogasawara> Cannot stat /dev/seq*: No such file or directory
[00:49] <ogasawara> Cannot stat /dev/seq*: No such file or directory
[00:50] <dtchen> ok, and sudo alsa force-unload
[00:51] <ogasawara> ogasawara@emiko:~$ sudo alsa force-unload
[00:51] <ogasawara> lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon file system /home/ogasawara/.gvfs
[00:51] <ogasawara>       Output information may be incomplete.
[00:51] <ogasawara> lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon file system /home/ogasawara/.gvfs
[00:51] <ogasawara>       Output information may be incomplete.
[00:51] <ogasawara> Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: snd-hda-codec-idt snd-hda-codec snd-hwdep snd-pcm snd-timer snd-page-alloc.
[00:52] <dtchen> excellent
[00:52] <dtchen> sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel model=3stack && rm ~/.pulse/client.conf
[00:53] <ogasawara> ogasawara@emiko:~$ sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel model=3stack && rm ~/.pulse/client.conf
[00:53] <ogasawara> ogasawara@emiko:~$
[00:53] <dtchen> so let's try: speaker-test -c2 -l4 -Dplug:front:0
[00:53] <dtchen> try inserting headphones
[00:53] <dtchen> do the internal speakers mute properly?
[00:54] <ogasawara> yup
[00:54] <dtchen> and unplugging unmutes the int speakers, correct?
[00:54] <ogasawara> yup
[00:54] <dtchen> sigh
[00:54] <dtchen> would you please add your /proc/asound/card0/codec* to the bug?
[00:55] <ogasawara> will do
[00:55] <dtchen> thanks!
[01:03] <ogasawara> dtchen: posted my info, let me know if you need any other testing from my end.
[01:04] <dtchen> I just need a big hammer
[01:04] <dtchen> thanks, regardless
[01:21] <stavrob> hey guys, why is ubuntu configured with 100hz timers for the standard desktop kernel?
[01:26] <ikepanhc> stavrob: you are using amd64 arch?
[01:26] <stavrob> ikepanhc: yes
[01:27] <ikepanhc> stavrob: 250hz timer in i386 and 100hz timer in amd64
[01:27] <stavrob> im wondering why
[01:28] <ikepanhc> let me check out
[01:28] <stavrob> 100hz timers really do introduce actual noticeable latency problems, its visible as little stutters and jerks, occasionally music skipping etc
[01:28] <stavrob> dunno about 250hz but i compiled the ubuntu kernel again with 1000hz and it's streets better
[01:33] <ikepanhc> Some discuss about set CONFIG_HZ to 1000 for a more "real-time" environment, I will check if there is discuss about why set to 100MHz for amd64 :-)
[01:36] <stavrob> personally i think 1000hz timers for desktop kernels for both arch's would be lovely, but if we can at least get the timer resolution up on amd64 it'd be a nice start
[01:37] <stavrob> it really is a noticeable difference, compile your kernel with 100hz and then with 1000hz and just use each one for a bit. i know desktop interactivity is quite a woolly thing but trust me it's very noticeable
[01:37] <ikepanhc> stavrob: ya, I think so, but maybe there is some story behind this (digging for story)
[01:37] <stavrob> ikepanhc: ok cool
[05:37] <phenompanda> hi, ericm
[05:38] <phenompanda> i see sa1100 defconfig have CONFIG_ARCH_DISCONTIGMEM_ENABLE =y
[05:39] <phenompanda> ericm, is there any special purpose for add this feature in ARM arch?
[06:19] <ericm> phenompanda, no - we are moving to sparsemem
[10:22] <stavrob> ikepanhc: did you find anything in the end
[10:23] <ikepanhc> stavrob: not yet, is there anyone know why CONFIG_HZ=100 in arch amd64?
[10:24] <apw> ikepanhc, cause the higher HZ is the more expensive tick handing is
[10:25] <apw> and where you have any sort of high res timer a high HZ is just useless noise
[10:25] <apw> so on amd64 where highres timeres are always present there is no point in maintaining a high HZ
[10:25] <ikepanhc> apw: you mean cost cpu time on content switch?
[10:25] <apw> it contributes many %'s of SPU usage
[10:25] <apw> i mean the cost of taking the interrupts to handle it and update the jiffies
[10:26] <apw> which we don't use in the main even
[10:26] <Appiah> 100 isnt that typical server usage?
[10:26] <apw> therefore the recomendation was 250 for i386 where highres timers are not present
[10:26] <apw> and 100 for amd64 where you have highres timers which form the bases for everything
[10:27] <apw> Appiah, my understanding is that when you have high res timers the HZ value is no longer relevant for scheduling
[10:27] <apw> and most times and timing uses the tick + high-res offset for accuracy
[10:27] <apw> so it matters little how often tick changes within the resolution of the high-res timer
[10:28] <apw> ie ... updating it less often has no downside, and much upside in overall cost
[10:28] <Appiah> oki
[10:29] <Appiah> I just remeber from putting my kernel togheter myself on gentoo where you could choose between 100 , 512 or 1000 where it said 1000 recommended higher for desktop/workstations and lower for servers
[10:29] <apw> which kernel version tho?
[10:30] <Appiah> last time I used gentoo was about little less then a year ago
[10:30] <apw> moving HZ to 1000 from 250 was tested recently as the pulse peopel were shouting for it.  a full 8% cost in CPU alone
[12:21] <stavrob> apw: according to con, high res timers are mostly broken in the kernel atm so are disabled, they're apparently still limited by tick resolution for scheduling timeout decisions
[12:24] <apw> i seem to have timers enabled in my kernel ... the recomendation for the HZ change came down from mainline developers
[12:28] <stavrob> my bad, it seems highres timers are actually enabled, just not for scheduling decisions
[12:28] <stavrob> which unfortunately has a noticeable impact on responsiveness
[14:33] <ghostcube> simple question why is there an grub2 now
[14:36] <ghostcube> i hate it
[14:36] <ghostcube> i just hate it
[14:36] <ghostcube> :|
[14:37] <_ruben> then dont use it?
[14:37] <ghostcube> on new karmic install its defaulted so i wanted to test
[14:37] <ghostcube> but it pure bah
[14:37] <_ruben> and supposedly grub2 has more to offer than grub(1) .. then again, i havent played with it myself, yet
[14:38] <ghostcube> _ruben: try it
[14:39] <ghostcube> to configure it it drives you nuts :D
[14:39] <_ruben> i only have 1 karmic box, and it was upgraded step by step from uhm .. hardy i think
[14:39] <apw> ghostcube, whats is so bad about it
[14:40] <apw> it seems almost identicle user interface wise
[14:47] <smb> The config file format is different but not necessarily worse. You now mostly do changes in /etc/default/grub and do update-grub. The only thing that is a bit annoying is the persistence it tries to go for the master boot record by default
[15:02] <smb> jjohansen, Is that virtio thingy from bug 458521 going to require a kernel patch too or is that more or less done with the kvm package update. (I believe they included dkms modules, but I am not sure)
[15:02] <ubot3> Malone bug 458521 in qemu "kvm crash when using virtio for network, hardy guest" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/458521
[15:06] <smb> Keybuk, around?
[15:06] <ghostcube> apw: the config is pure horror
[15:06] <ghostcube> old grub had one file and all worked
[15:06] <ghostcube> new grub2 is script and file based daemon thingy
[15:06] <ghostcube> i dont like this
[15:07] <apw> ghostcube, it has a slightly different syntax.  and yes it uses cat to make a file out of it
[15:07] <apw> its split config, but its not that different
[15:07] <smb> ghostcube, err do you generally need more than grub.cfg?
[15:07] <ghostcube> smb: iam not only talking about me :)
[15:07] <ghostcube> i have oure linux install
[15:07] <ghostcube> p
[15:07] <Keybuk> smb: briefly ;)
[15:07] <Keybuk> what's up?
[15:07] <ghostcube> no need for any features of grub2
[15:08] <ghostcube> but i think its not the best solution to make linux boot stage easier or ?
[15:08] <smb> Keybuk, Just wanted to make sure we do the right thing on the next Karmic upload. I got the modified trace patch in that took out the uselib part, but the ureadahead from the ubuntu-boot ppa does not like this much
[15:09] <Keybuk> yeah, I have another one to upload
[15:10] <Keybuk> there you go, uploaded ;)
[15:10] <smb> Keybuk, ah, so you won't yell (at me) when I upload that kernel without uselib. :) Good
[15:11] <Keybuk> no
[15:11] <Keybuk> it'd only break tracing anyway
[15:11] <Keybuk> go right ahead
[15:11]  * smb goes off to test the new ureadahead and then upload the kernel
[15:13] <smb> hrm... actually... with the speed of the ppa builders atm, I should probably just upload... :-P
[15:28] <apw> smb what else can you do
[16:25] <jjohansen> smb: it looks like it probably requires a kernel patch but I hadn't gotten to it yet
[16:25] <smb> jjohansen, Ok, ta. Just wanted to make sure I not forget about it
[16:26] <jjohansen> smb: right
[16:34] <bjf> dtchen, are we marking all the grub audio bugs as duplicates of 470265?
[21:43] <HorsePunchKid> I have a somewhat obscure problem with a non-ubuntu kernel. The problem does not occur when I use the ubuntu kernel from the minimal installation CD. Is this a place where I might find some help discovering what has fixed the problem in the ubuntu sources?
[22:05] <dtchen> bjf: yes, please


[18:22]  * wrst looks around
[18:48]  * cyberanger hides
[19:19] <cyberanger> I hate that I now have to use Pulse Audio with the firefox nightlies
[19:32] <wrst> cyberanger: I've not had issues with pulse in years
[19:33] <cyberanger> I know my computer has issues with it, I think a scheduler locks up if I remember right.
[19:39] <wrst> :(
[19:39] <wrst> I remember the early days of it and everyone's computer had issues with it
[19:40] <cyberanger> Might be worth trying again...
[19:42] <cyberanger> It has been awhile
[19:58] <cyberanger> Seems to be okay for the first 5 minutes
[21:20] <wrst> those are the worse kind of things to deal with
[21:31] <cyberanger> Trying it now, seems better but not sure.


[11:26] <jsgotangco> hello
[11:29] <Kinnison> Hello jsgotangco
[11:30] <jsgotangco> Kinnison: do you have a minute?
[11:31] <Kinnison> In about 5m I will; ask away and I'll answer when I return
[11:32] <Kinnison> workrave is the bomb
[11:32] <jsgotangco> i am trying to do some stuff in Rosetta but i get system errors when i try to submit afaik rosetta only requires you to enter the translation and hit enter
[11:33] <daf> you shouldn't get system errors
[11:33] <daf> they are bugs
[11:33] <daf> what are you translating?
[11:33] <jsgotangco> i am trying out in abiword for tagalog
[11:33] <daf> ok
[11:33] <daf> let me check
[11:38] <Kinnison> daf: thanks
[11:39] <daf> no worries
[11:39] <jsgotangco> hmmm i get "a system error occured"
[11:44] <daf> ok, I think I've found the source of the problem
[11:45] <jsgotangco> thats good news
[11:45] <jsgotangco> ive been trying it out since yesterday
[11:45] <daf> thanks for letting us know about the problem
[11:45] <jsgotangco> what happened anyway?
[11:45] <daf> if all goes well, it will be fixed within the next couple of days
[11:46] <daf> it is a bug in the code
[11:46] <jsgotangco> wow
[11:46] <jsgotangco> but rosetta is just entering the translated text then submit right?
[11:46] <daf> sorry, it takes some time for us to prepare fixes for these sorts of problems
[11:46] <jsgotangco> i dont mind at all good thing i asked
[11:46] <daf> yes, using Rosetta shuold be really easy
[11:47] <daf> no, it's not your fault :)
[11:47] <jsgotangco> ill just hang around here then for the meantime :D
[11:47] <daf> sure
[11:58] <jsgotangco> im going home
[11:58] <jsgotangco> see you guys later
[11:59] <daf> bye
[02:13] <dreamcatcher> moin
[06:48] <dreamcatcher> hey salty
[06:54] <SteveA> dreamcatcher: what are you doing here, you unsavory character
[06:54] <dreamcatcher> oh, i was just wondering if there's a script to fetch all potfiles for a product from launchpad
[06:55] <SteveA> there's support for downloading a tar coming RSN
[06:55] <dreamcatcher> neat. i can wait a bit more then
[06:56] <SteveA> daf, carlos: any idea when that's landing in production?
[06:56] <carlos> SteveA: I suppose at the end of next week or so
[06:57] <daf> yep
[06:57] <daf> it's working, but it needs optimisation, which we'll be doing this week


[11:03] <quadrispro> hi guys
[11:03] <quadrispro> I need some help with partman-auto
[11:04] <quadrispro> with preseeding partman-auto
[11:07] <quadrispro> I'd like to let user choose the destination device only
[14:19] <ev> I've got bootchart working in hudson: http://people.canonical.com/~evand/tmp/hudson-bootchart.png
[14:27] <soren> ev: Shiny!
[14:27] <ev> thanks
[15:03] <CIA-88> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4454 ubiquity/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
[15:03] <CIA-88> ubiquity: Sync network configuration with netcfg: drop ip6-allhosts (see Debian
[15:03] <CIA-88> ubiquity: #533384), and strip trailing dots from the hostname and leading dots
[15:03] <CIA-88> ubiquity: from the domain.
[15:43] <cjwatson> ev: please look through bug 673028 when you get a chance?
[15:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 673028 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Karmic) (and 4 other projects) "Ubiquity encrypted home doesn't setup encrypted swap (affects: 3) (heat: 370)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/673028
[15:44] <ev> bother
[15:44] <ev> looking
[17:05] <ev> weird, blkid is seemingly saying the swap partition isn't when that code is run