[00:01] <yofel> Kendalja: if you're on linux, try iotop
[00:01] <yofel> iotop -o -d 5 so it only shows actual traffic and refreshes every 5 seconds
[00:01] <the_bot_died_las> thx
[00:02] <Kendalja> its still writing :P
[00:02] <Kendalja> just checked the file it is writing to and the size is going up
[00:03] <BUGabundo> Tetsuo55: nothing I do seems to improve it reliablely :/
[00:04] <Kendalja> iotop worked
[00:04] <Kendalja> thanks yofel
[00:04] <Kendalja> good looking out
[00:05] <Kendalja> so it isnt stuck at 4% just working hard writing 646mb
[00:05] <Kendalja> :P
[00:05] <yofel> needs some better UI :P
[00:28] <BUGabundo> and there goes flash 10.2beta taking firefox with it
[00:28] <BUGabundo> several pages not able to load/render flash
[00:28] <BUGabundo> eheh
[00:30] <jpds> Nice.
[00:31] <jpds> I tried gnash on youtube last night and so did not work.
[00:32] <BUGabundo> specially sony homepages
[00:37] <aphex> ff4 and x64 10.10 loving it
[00:37] <aphex> and new flash <3
[00:40] <robinson> just installed on a Sony laptop. Worked fine in live cd mode, but once installed the touchpad doesnt respond. Got it hooked into ethernet running updates by console right now, but if updates dont fix it, what is my next recourse?
[00:44] <aphex> been a while since had many issues with ubuntu but a reconfig of xserver might fix it
[00:44] <aphex> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[00:44] <aphex> don't blame me if you make it more broken
[00:46] <robinson> aphex: no prob, its a clean install with nothing important at all :) I found some other info with similar models that suggest editing grub to include  i0842.nopnp
[00:46] <robinson> will try that if the updates dont fix it. Jsut dont understand because it workd fine as a live cd
[00:47] <aphex> only ever wireless work on live cd then not when installed
[00:47] <aphex> didn't seem to be a reason for it so i just reinstalled and worked fine
[00:48] <robinson> what is a pae kernel? It installed by default on this laptop. i3 cpu, if that matters
[00:49] <jpds> !pae
[00:49] <aphex> physical address extension
[00:49] <aphex> too use more ram than 32bit supports
[00:50] <aphex> that could be the easy solution
[00:50] <aphex> pull some ram out and reinstall
[00:50] <robinson> only have 4GB.
[00:50] <robinson> Editing grub, rebooting
[00:50] <robinson> however, i think i see where you are going
[00:50] <aphex> install with 2gb then bang the rest back in if all else fails
[00:51] <robinson> am i accidentally running 64-bit?
[00:51] <yofel> robinson: what does uname -a tell you
[00:51] <aphex> no you wouldn't need it with 64bit
[00:51] <robinson> looks like 32
[00:52] <robinson> 2.6.35-22-generic-pae #32-Ubuntu SMP
[00:52] <yofel> that's not the complete output... ok, just 'uname -m' then
[00:53] <robinson> i686
[00:53] <yofel> 32bit
[01:00] <robinson> i found that this laptop has an ALPS touchpad. Since it worked in live cd, that suggests the kernel should be able to handle it. Can someone confirm what kernel the live cd uses? Perhaps I should install that kernel and boot from it instead
[01:00] <aphex> just use the generic one
[01:00] <aphex> think thats what live cd uses
[01:10] <robinson> installing the package linux-image-generic
[01:10] <robinson> hope this works. no reason why it shouldn't really :)
[01:11] <aphex> yeah got a feeling it will
[01:11] <robinson> just cant help but wonder what borked in the PAE version, except for the fact that this is a beta
[01:12] <robinson> i just thank God that I learned to use the terminal without fear
[01:18] <robinson> here goes nothin'
[01:18] <robinson> stil no mouse.. Gonna try the grub edit again. Failing that, I will remove some RAM and reinstall.
[01:19] <yofel> dmesg and/or xorg.0.log should have some info about mouse initialization
[01:22] <robinson> yofel: need some CLI help. Dont know how to use grep to search for "mouse" in the log file
[01:23] <yofel> using case-insensitive search might help 'grep -i'
[01:23] <robinson> i do see in Xorg.0.log   adding input device AlpsPS/2 Glidepoint (/dev/input/mouse2"
[01:24] <robinson> also no supported touchpad found
[01:24] <yofel> mouse2 o.O
[01:24] <robinson> perhaps the wrong driver is loaded
[01:24] <yofel> here I get (eeePC):
[01:24] <yofel> [    12.538] (==) intel(0): Silken mouse enabled
[01:24] <yofel> [    13.528] (II) config/udev: Adding input device ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad (/dev/input/mouse0)
[01:24] <yofel> [    14.101] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/mouse0"
[01:27] <robinson> whats the command to reconfigure xorg?
[01:28] <bp0> is upgrade from lucid to maverick beta still broken?
[01:28] <yofel> there is dpkg-reconfigure, but I'm not sure if that does anything as we don't use a xorg.conf these days
[01:28] <aphex> udo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:28] <aphex> was what it used to be
[01:29] <aphex> not had to do it since dapper i think
[01:29] <yofel> right, but with autodetection, tweaking udev is what's needed today I think
[01:31] <robinson> jsut cant understand why somethign that worked live wont installed without tweaking :(
[01:31] <yofel> well, you can of course create a xorg.conf and configure your mouse there, but don't ask me how to do that..
[01:31] <yofel> right, that doesn't make sense
[01:32] <aphex> you're on the right lines though
[01:33] <aphex> trying to think what else it could possibly be
[01:33] <aphex> you tried plugging in a mouse to see if that works?
[01:34] <robinson> would you believe I dont have a wired mouse at home? I do at my shop, but i really wanted to try this baby out tonght...
[01:36] <aphex> bit of a stretch but have you checked your bios?
[01:37] <aphex> unlikely but it removes a possibility
[01:38] <tommd> I've just got 10.10 alpha1 running on my TouchBook.  Is there a default password or should I replace /etc/shadow?
[01:38] <tommd> (This is the ARM build)
[01:39] <jrib> tommd: what did you install exactly?
[01:39] <aphex> did it not ask you to set a pw when you installed?
[01:40] <aphex> robinson: you checked the Fn key on your laptop?
[01:40] <tommd> jrib: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAPMaverickInstall
[01:40] <tommd> I notice it claims I should have been prompted
[01:41] <tommd> But I just booted for the first time after dd and am dropped into an X login screen.
[01:41] <robinson> aphex: There's not a hotkey for the touchpad.
[01:41] <tommd> odd
[01:41] <jrib> tommd: does username "ubuntu" with blank password work?  That's the default on a the live cd
[01:41] <tommd> nope.  Neither did root/root
[01:42] <aphex> is there a mouse one?
[01:42] <tommd> "mouse one"?  I do have a mouse and touch-screen works - yay!
[01:42] <tommd> OTOH, I'm using my own kernel.
[01:42] <jrib> tommd: how about ubuntu:ubuntu?
[01:42] <tommd> jrib: Just tried with no luck.
[01:42] <tommd> Think I'll just replace /etc/shadow
[01:42] <aphex> sorry tommd that was for robinson
[01:43] <tommd> oh, sorry, didn't notice another question came up.
[01:43] <robinson> negative
[01:43] <philsf> how can I clear some or all of the recent files in the new file manager UI?
[01:43] <robinson> aphex: not sure what to do, i may try 10.04 and see if it works. Got nothing to lose and I'm out of ideas
[01:45] <robinson> then again, i may try the clean install of 10.10 again, but uncheck the option to run updates....
[01:45] <jrib> tommd: #ubuntu-arm might know more about it
[01:45] <tommd> thanks!
[01:46] <jrib> tommd: i'm following you there because I'm curious
[01:46] <robinson> thanks for the assist, guys. Gonna take a break and watch a movie with my daughters (all the while thinking about this @#$%!! LAPTOP)
[01:46] <yofel> heh, have fun
[02:04] <TeslaTony> After upgrading to 10.10, every time I log into Ubuntu Netbook Edition, I get my wallpaper, and nothing else. I can't use alt+F2 to start programs. What gives,a nd how do I fix it?
[02:13] <sebsebseb> TeslaTony: ok
[02:13] <sebsebseb> TeslaTony: so you recently upgraded?
[02:14] <sebsebseb> from 10.04 to it?
[02:14] <TeslaTony> sebsebseb: Yeah. About a week ago
[02:14] <TeslaTony> Yes
[02:14] <sebsebseb> TeslaTony: oh so when did the problem happen?
[02:14] <TeslaTony> Immediately
[02:14] <sebsebseb> TeslaTony: which graphics card you got?
[02:14] <TeslaTony> Erm...not sure...I have an HP Mini
[02:15] <sebsebseb> TeslaTony: ok well it doesn't work with Nivida for example by default, since the propritary driver isn't installed,  that gives 3D support
[02:15] <sebsebseb> TeslaTony: however it seems it also won't work with certain ATI cards either, unless they have a propritary driver installed for 3D support
[02:15] <TeslaTony> sebsebseb: The full gnome-desktop works fine, though
[02:16] <sebsebseb> TeslaTony: yes, but this is differnet
[02:16] <sebsebseb> TeslaTony: it uses Unity
[02:16] <sebsebseb> 10.10 Netook Edition
[02:16] <sebsebseb> which is the new look, but thats not just any look
[02:16] <sebsebseb> its special
[02:16] <TeslaTony> Gotcha
[02:17] <sebsebseb> TeslaTony: so you need a card that can support it, or well  at least a driver installed for it that can
[02:17] <sebsebseb> or yes it won't work
[02:17] <TeslaTony> Right now it's telling me the broadcom wireless driver is working, but doesn't list any other proprietary drivers
[02:17] <sebsebseb> TeslaTony: ok run lspci
[02:17] <sebsebseb> TeslaTony: well theres a more specific command for showing the card, but not sure right now
[02:17] <sebsebseb> ,but yeah lspci should list it
[02:18] <TeslaTony> Intel 945GME
[02:22] <TeslaTony> sebsebseb: So is there a way to get my system to find the driver? Or is there one?
[02:22] <sebsebseb> TeslaTony: hmm not sure about Intel, however I would have thought it would have worked
[02:23] <sebsebseb> TeslaTony: thing is Unity is also apprently not that stable at the moment anyway
[02:23] <sebsebseb> TeslaTony: and it woudn't suprise me if it was like that when 10.10 comes out as well,  being the first offical version of it, and well what it is
[02:24] <sebsebseb> why did you uprade early by the way?
[02:24] <TeslaTony> sebsebseb: If I wanted stable, I'd get a mac
[02:24] <TeslaTony> Shits and giggles?
[02:24] <TeslaTony> I usually upgrade early
[02:26] <TeslaTony> sebsebseb: Normally I find betas pretty stable...more stable than some of my experiences with Windows final releases
[02:26] <sebsebseb> TeslaTony: ok
[02:26] <sebsebseb> TeslaTony: well all the proper Mac OS X advantages, can get with Linux distros anyway basically :)
[02:26] <sebsebseb> TeslaTony: it seems you didn't really know what you would be getting with 10.10
[02:26] <sebsebseb> TeslaTony: or were meant to be getting
[02:26] <sebsebseb> so i'll give you an idea
[02:27] <sebsebseb> with some links
[02:27] <philsf> wow, the new netbook interface was really lagging, and even freezing but the new update is great!
[02:27] <sebsebseb> and as you can see this channel isn't exactly active right now except for us, and now philsf  ,but yeah someone else may be able to help when around
[02:28] <TeslaTony> What directories are the settings stored in?
[02:28] <philsf> sebsebseb, I was just complementing the improvement :)
[02:29] <sebsebseb> TeslaTony: or will I bother giving links about Unity,  plus two are a bit old now anyway, but still relivent really
[02:35] <TeslaTony> sebsebseb: THis works
[02:37] <philsf> I find the speed of the new applications and files "menus" has greatly improved in the latest version of unity
[02:37] <sebsebseb> TeslaTony: what works?
[02:38] <TeslaTony> sebsebseb: Informative links
[02:38] <Ivis> Hi, can i upgrade to 10.10 from 10.04 ?
[02:40] <philsf> Ivis, yes
[02:40] <sebsebseb> TeslaTony: oh the links aren't really helpful for your issue, they just explain what Unity is
[02:40] <TeslaTony> sebsebseb: Nevermind, then
[02:40] <sebsebseb> Ivis: yes, but why do you want to?
[02:41] <Ivis> sebsebseb,  just for testing
[02:41] <sebsebseb> Ivis: desktop version or net book o rwhat?
[02:41] <Ivis> sebsebseb, desktop
[02:42] <sebsebseb> Ivis: they are still sorting out quite a lot of bugs  as far as I know,  or hopefuly anyway, but uhmm  yeah desktop would work alright at the mometn
[02:42] <Ivis> sebsebseb,  hmm sounds good :) do i need upgrade from softwre source?
[02:42] <Ivis> *software
[02:43] <sebsebseb> Ivis: however even so, may be better for you to wait until the 30th September,  to do it a bit early, since then you can with the release candidate, which will be very similar to the final
[02:43] <sebsebseb> lag: also the desktop version of 10.10 offers well not that much advantage over 10.04
[02:44] <sebsebseb> lag: and even though an upgrade from 10.04, would probably go alright, a more safe way to try it would be a virtual machine or just from the Live CD
[02:45] <Ivis> sebsebseb, ok this sounds more reasonable, i will try it a litle bit later :) thanks for quick and smart answers.
[02:45] <dereks> hello! my meekrat install is broken!!! It is similar to issue described here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9838263 except that doesn't fix mine
[02:46] <dereks> is anyone else having this issue???
[02:46] <dereks> any suggestions?
[02:47] <sebsebseb> lag: and Sudnay October 10th is the final release
[02:47] <sebsebseb> Sunday
[02:47] <sebsebseb> Ivis: instead of their useual Thursday release day, for the alphas, betas, release candidates, and finals.  It was going to be  Thursday 28th
[02:48] <Ivis> sebsebseb,  nice thanks :)
[02:49] <yofel> dereks: probably unreated to ureadahead, as upsteard isn't synchroneous the last messages shown on the screen aren't necessarily releated to the problem, does pressing 'S' do something?
[02:49] <yofel> s/upsteard/upstart/
[02:49]  * yofel is getting sleepy
[02:50] <dereks> yofel: have to reboot to figure it out
[02:50] <dereks> hold on, bbiab
[02:50] <dereks> yofel: what should 'S' do?
[02:51] <yofel> *if* it's just hung on a broken mount entry in fstab, that should tell mountall to Skip the mount
[02:51] <yofel> you could also try sysrq+k to kill plymouth and see if you get a shell then
[02:52] <dereks> yofel: ok
[02:52] <dereks> brb
[02:53] <KukuNut> kubuntu login in a loop?  too fast but looks like segfault
[02:55] <KukuNut> live cd showed segfault on kdinit? but was able to continue
[02:56] <yofel> KukuNut: nvidia?
[02:56] <Tsims> Does anyone have any idea why the video on my movie player and the video on my skype are a weird tint of blue?
[02:56] <KukuNut> vboxvideo
[02:57] <KukuNut> yofel: in vbox
[02:57] <yofel> hm, alvin posted bug 640596 about a crash with nouveau earlier
[03:00] <dereks> yofel: thatnks. it is having trouble mounting my home directory. i booted via usb and mounted the home drive fine
[03:01] <yofel> hm, did you re-format the drive? (check if the UUIDs are right anyway)
[03:01] <dereks> yofel: haven't touched it :)
[03:02] <yofel> odd then..
[03:02] <dereks> how do i check uuids? i can check fstab, but how do i get it on the home drive partition?
[03:02] <KukuNut> dereks: what's the error msg?
[03:02] <dereks> KukuNut: it wasn't able to mount my homedrive
[03:02] <dereks> wasn't an error message until i pressed S
[03:02] <yofel> dereks: 'sudo blkid' will list them
[03:02] <dereks> it goes away before i can catch it
[03:03] <Tsims> Does anyone have any idea why the video on my movie player and the video on my skype are a weird tint of blue?
[03:03] <myk_robinson> yofel: After a clean install, touchpad works... go figure
[03:04] <yofel> ...
[03:04] <myk_robinson> Hoping it survives an update
[03:04] <myk_robinson> living dangerously
[03:04] <myk_robinson> i reinstalled without going into the live mode first
[03:04] <dereks> yofel: same uuid
[03:04] <yofel> not sure what's wrong then
[03:04] <myk_robinson> yofel: sorry, my name before was robinson, had the Sony Vaio laptop with a non-functioning touchpad
[03:05] <myk_robinson> you and aphex were helping me
[03:05] <yofel> myk_robinson: I know, just don't know what to say...
[03:05] <KukuNut> dereks: try booting to recovery mode and mount it manually
[03:05] <myk_robinson> oh, no problem, just wanted to report back. I'm just as puzzled, but i've seen stranger things
[03:05] <yofel> Tsims: check your HUE value maybe (don't know where offhand)
[03:06]  * yofel needs some sleep, good night
[03:06] <dereks> KukuNut: i tried that, i don't get the partition in /dev.... it should be /dev/sdb1 and i jsut have /dev/sdb
[03:07] <dereks> yofel: thanks for trying :)
[03:07] <yofel> dereks: that sounds like something goes wrong when initializing the hdd, check the kernel log
[03:07] <yofel> and now bye
[03:08] <KukuNut> dereks: when you did blkid did you see it there?
[03:11] <KukuNut> dereks: it should list all the partitions
[03:11] <dereks> KukuNut: yeah
[03:11] <dereks> had it correct
[03:12] <KukuNut> dereks: you mean you see /dev/sdb1?
[03:12] <dereks> well, not in recovery console
[03:12] <dereks> on this livecd
[03:12] <dereks> need to reboot to test that
[03:12] <dereks> just searching the logs a little before i reboot
[03:12] <dereks> ok rebooting ;)
[03:13] <Tsims> thats not working
[03:13] <Tsims> if it was a hue problem, wouldnt that affect everything? not just skype and my video player
[03:18] <Tsims> lol i thought this was a support room!!!
[03:22] <KDC1956> will the ubuntu 10.10 have better wirelessdrive with it
[03:41] <dereks> Ahh, i found out my problem. I am running into the "ureadahead-other main process terminated status 4" issue
[03:41] <dereks> anyone know how to get around that? :(
[03:53] <bp0> uhg, maverick not ready
[04:03] <myk_robinson> each time I reboot, my clock is off by one hour. How can i permanently correct this?
[04:10] <myk_robinson> what is a command to check current cpu speed in the terminal?
[04:17] <bp0> cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq might do it
[05:22] <white_magic> hi
[05:23] <white_magic> so ubuntu told me it wants to do a partial distribution upgrade (i have 10.10 beta right now) and it just now failed to do so
[05:23] <white_magic> it said 'size mismatch'
[05:23] <white_magic> for each package it had to download
[05:57] <aboSamoor1> I have a problem with tty, they stop responding randomly once I press ctrl+s
[06:32]  * white_magic rings the bell
[06:32] <white_magic> anyone here?
[06:32] <white_magic> ubuntu 10.10 started a partial upgrade process but the fetch part failed
[06:33] <white_magic> now i wonder what to do at this point
[08:14] <Wubbbi> MarkDude: Hey :) awake? ^^
[08:15] <MarkDude> Not fully
[08:16] <MarkDude> hello Wubbbi
[08:16] <Wubbbi> hehe ^^
[08:16] <MarkDude> My wifi was slow with or without ac
[08:17] <Wubbbi> Well it seems like my powersamemode bug is still not fixed. Have you created a bug report or do you even know how to fix it? Cause the non-powersave mode it making my battery empty very fast
[08:19] <Wubbbi> MarkDude: Duh! for real?
[08:19] <MarkDude> I might be able to file a bug on it, Im not sure how to fix it, I think there is a chance it is acpi
[08:20] <Wubbbi> MarkDude: ok .. well that would be great if you can do it. May someone fix it then ^^
[08:23] <MarkDude> Its ppossible, the problem would be that the kernel triage person will want to ask follow up questions
[08:27] <MarkDude> To fix some bugs it can take 2 or 3 follow ups - asking for parts of your logs. Since my computer only has Atom in common, my ability to answer regarding your hardwarequestions is limited
[08:48] <avis-> just like the man who murdered the atheist woman, there is a great satisfaction, when i recall the night that i went head to head with stumbleupon, me, and the secret service, and the reaction when we called them on harboring spies and feeding pedophiles made them cower.  they gave up.  they no longer could have anything to say after that.  nothing is sweeter
[08:48] <Wubbbi> MarkDude: ahh ok ... well is the report created. Then I can attach my log
[08:53] <MarkDude> You dont have a launchpad acct?
[08:53] <MarkDude> account?
[08:55] <Wubbbi> MarkDude: sure
[08:55] <Wubbbi> MarkDude: Well I mean ... I have one xD
[08:55] <Wubbbi> But I dont know how to report a bug that well ^^
[08:57] <MarkDude> Ok no problem
[08:57] <MarkDude> Im checking to see if there is a bug that has the words ac power bug  maverick wlan
[08:58] <MarkDude> 32 of those
[09:10] <MarkDude> Ok, I dont think there is a duplicate of what your issue is Wubbbi
[09:11] <MarkDude> So let me see if I can help you file a bug
[09:14] <Wubbbi> MarkDude: ok
[09:14] <Wubbbi> thank you
[09:14] <Wubbbi> Well I have to go to work ( again -_- ) ...  I'm sorry ^^
[09:15] <MarkDude> did you have anything in your file system in var/crash?
[09:15] <Wubbbi> let me see
[09:18] <Wubbbi> MarkDude: I have "plymouthd", "gnome-langue-selector", "bin_mutter" and "_usr_lib_indicator-sound_indicator-sound-service" ... I dont think that will help us?
[09:20] <Wubbbi> MarkDude: can you give me the like to the bug please?
[09:21] <MarkDude> Hmm
[09:29] <MarkDude> Wubbbi, - I can help you later on it- is 1:30 here. The issue is that I want to make sure that the proper package is named :)
[09:30] <MarkDude> Waiting a day or 2 to file a bug, but filing it under the correct package will help
[09:30] <Wubbbi> MarkDude: ok ... I will be onloy later ( around in 9-10h ) because I have to go now too. Thank you for your support to me ;D
[09:30] <MarkDude> Of course, good day to you :)
[09:31] <Wubbbi> thx and good night to you xD
[10:00] <mkulke> hello, since yesterdays updates on 10.10 i have the problem that docky hangs when starting programs from it (on my netbook w/ intel hardware).
[10:00] <mkulke> anyone else having the same problem?
[10:02] <zj3t3mju> hello, I had filed bug #640682
[10:03] <zj3t3mju> will it be fix???
[10:05] <Ian_corne> No idea
[10:05] <Ian_corne> wait I guess
[10:48] <yofel> zj3t3mju: if you want the package uploaded, you have to subscribe ubuntu-sponsors to the bug, and since we're in final freeze now maybe additional things, ask in #ubuntu-motu
[10:50] <zj3t3mju> yofel: thanks
[11:10] <valentino_tuga> hi. i have ubuntu netbook edition. what should i do to update the system to 10.10 beta?
[11:10] <bazhang> !upgrade| valentino_tuga please read this
[11:12] <valentino_tuga> thanks bazhang but there is no information about updating from 10.04 to 10.10 beta
[11:14] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades  valentino_tuga that link in the first one does
[11:16] <valentino_tuga> bazhang My ubuntu is netbook edition. will it upgrade to ubuntu netbook 10.10 or ubuntu desktop edition ?
[11:18] <bazhang> valentino_tuga, what ever you have will be upgraded
[11:18] <bazhang> xubuntu, kubuntu, ubuntu, une, lubuntu, etc
[11:19] <valentino_tuga> ok bazhang, i just wanted to be sure it will update to the netbook edition because the computer iḿ using is a netbook and i love netbook edition
[11:19] <bazhang> valentino_tuga, yes it will.
[11:19] <yofel> UNE will be updated to unity I assume
[11:20] <bazhang> !une
[11:20] <valentino_tuga> thanks
[11:51] <Wubbbi> Hey :) I wanna change the source-Code of Firefox. I want to change the default settings in about:config of firefox. Where can I find it?
[11:53] <gnomefreak> Wubbbi: in the address bar type about:config
[11:54] <Wubbbi> gnomefreak: yeah I know this. I DL the source-code of firefox., and I want to change the default about:config in the source code. So when I build it it should include it.
[11:54] <gnomefreak> Wubbbi: you are better off getting the source and changing /debian/rules but if you do not know what you are doing i dont suggest changing anything
[11:55] <gnomefreak> Wubbbi: you dont knnow where the source code is?
[11:56] <Wubbbi> gnomefreak: I know where the source code is. But I dont know where the file is, where I can change it ( In the source-Code! ).
[11:57] <yofel> Wubbbi: someone in #ubuntu-mozillateam might know that
[11:57] <gnomefreak> Wubbbi: there is no file for it. you need to change a few of them including /debian/rules. you are best to ask in #ubuntu-motu
[11:57] <gnomefreak> yofel: no one is there this early
[11:57] <yofel> ah
[11:58] <Wubbbi> gnomefreak: ok thx
[11:58] <gnomefreak> fta may be there soon but he is not likely to help.
[11:59] <gnomefreak> he has chromium to work on. micah is best to ask but he wont be there for a few hours or longer
[12:00]  * gnomefreak goes for smoke
[12:33] <valentino_tuga> well, the system is updating. i have to wait 1 hour. lets see how ubuntu netbook 10.10 is :)
[12:34] <alvin> Let us know :-)
[12:34] <valentino_tuga> ok alvin :)
[12:35] <alvin> Isn't it the same installer for kubuntu and kubuntu-netbook?
[12:41] <gnomefreak> alvin: im fairly sure there is a kubuntu netbook installer
[12:41] <gnomefreak> not sure about xubuntu
[12:42] <yofel> no there isn't for 10.10
[12:43] <yofel> whether to use desktop or netbook by default is decided by screen size and a few other factors now
[13:37] <mewshi> hello everyone! :)O
[13:53] <Dr_Willis> Moo!~
[13:58] <Dr_Willis> Has the netbook interface gotten to a 'useable' state? :) Last review i read of it a few weeks back. said it had some 'issues'
[13:58] <Dr_Willis> Im thinking it may be a good thing for the wifes pc however.
[14:00] <Dink> Dr_Willis, I have been using since pre Alpha and haven't much on an issue on my netbook. Couple of bugs here and there which got fixed pretty quickly
[14:00] <Dr_Willis> cusious as to the package naming.. im seeing  several ubuntu-netbook-* things
[14:01] <Dr_Willis> it reccomends  ubuntu-netbook-unity-default-settings   when i try to install ubuntu-netbook, but if i try to install both of those packages.. it wont let it.
[14:01] <Dink> Running it on an aod250. There is a "slight" jerkiness on video playback
[14:03] <Dink> I removed the ubuntu-netbook meta package since I did not need all of it.
[14:03] <Dr_Willis> i need to see if the icons are REAL big.. :) the wife likes real big icons..
[14:03] <Dink> No they are not REAL big
[14:03] <Dr_Willis> it just basically needs to be able to load her browser, and 2 games.. thats all she needs on  her listing. :)
[14:03] <Dr_Willis> she even sets her fonts to be like size 16+
[14:04] <Dr_Willis> Ubuntu-for-the-old-timers-that-dont-want-to-wear-glasses-edition
[14:04] <Dink> Hehe
[14:05] <Dr_Willis> In the past she would set her desktop res down to like 600x800 to enlarge everything..
[14:05] <Dr_Willis> I had to show her how to tweak her fonts.. and scale the icons on gnome
[14:11] <myk_robinson> morning, all. How can i set the CPU scaling governor to default to the "on demand" profile?
[14:14] <Dr_Willis> Well that goofed things up. :) I get a white screen now when i login to the netbook intface.. and the gnome interface.. heh
[14:15] <bp0> known problem? http://picpaste.com/help_menu_text_problem-PkhdQJLP.png
[14:15] <bp0> myk_robinson, it will change to ondemand after 60 seconds
[14:15] <myk_robinson> oh. That's good to know. I have been manually chaning it because all 4 cores are running full bore on boot.
[14:15] <myk_robinson> guess I'm just impatient
[14:16] <myk_robinson> thank you
[14:17] <Dr_Willis> wonder if upstart is spreading the load out so it boots faster. :)
[14:17] <WimYedema> Hi all
[14:17] <abhijit> hi
[14:17] <abhijit> :P
[14:18] <WimYedema> :)
[14:18]  * abhijit just come to see whats going on!
[14:18] <WimYedema> Can anyone here tell me how to make closing/unmaximizing maximized windows in 10.10 easy?
[14:18] <WimYedema> or How to turn the titlebar back on when a window is maximized?
[14:19] <kklimonda> it shouldn't disappear in the first place.
[14:20] <Dr_Willis> Unless its using the netbook stuff and using that Maximus program?
[14:20] <WimYedema> hmmm... it does though... I played around with unity a few months ago, maybe somehow this got turned back on?
[14:21] <WimYedema> How do I check whether this Maximus is running?
[14:21] <Ian_corne> What package contains the workspace switcher applet?
[14:21] <Dr_Willis> ps ax | grep maximus
[14:21] <Dr_Willis> I cant get the netbook interface working right. :()
[14:21] <Dr_Willis> get a white screen when i login to the netbook item in the gdm menu.
[14:21] <WimYedema> well... it is running indeed
[14:22] <WimYedema> how did that happen... and how do I turn it off?
[14:23] <Dr_Willis> its added to teh auto start as part of the netbook stuff i recall
[14:23] <Dr_Willis> you could just remove  the package.
[14:23] <WimYedema> It's actually quite nice, if the panel buttons included the window decoration buttons...
[14:23] <Dr_Willis> Yea. theres panel addons that can show those buttons
[14:24] <Dr_Willis> i set up the whole global-menu and that stuff once.. but it was annoying in ways
[14:24] <WimYedema> Well, that would do to:) How do I get them?
[14:24] <Dr_Willis> Im not even sur if they are in the default repos.
[14:24] <Dr_Willis> seen them at the OMGubuntu and other ubuntu news sites. webup8 perhaps
[14:24] <Dr_Willis> I never can rember their names
[14:25] <WimYedema> hmm.. if it's not in the standard repos I won't bother.. too much of a fuss
[14:25] <Ian_corne> are there any other descent sites then omgubuntu, without duplicating the news to much, aimed at ubuntu?
[14:25] <bazhang> Ian_corne, webupd8
[14:26] <Rajasun> Ian_corne: unixmen, techdrivein, kabatology
[14:30] <bp0> according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundMenu there is supposed to be a way to remove rhythmbox from the sound menu
[14:30] <bp0> but I can't find it
[14:30] <bp0> anyone know?
[14:31] <Dr_Willis> Never tried.
[14:31] <Dr_Willis> every web site is going so rabid about it being in there.. :)
[14:31] <Dr_Willis> Id perfer to have some player buttons that go in the panel...
[14:32] <bp0> "A compliant player should not insert itself into the menu merely because it is installed, but should insert itself as soon as you start actively using it (e.g. playing something with it for the first time, or adding music to its library). The player’s own settings interface should also have a checkbox for whether to integrate the player into the sound menu: ☑ Show FooPlayer in the sound menu "
[14:32] <bp0> not follwing their own rules there
[14:35] <Dr_Willis> i dont get what the little > arrow in the Volume settings thing is telling me...
[14:35] <Dr_Willis> > Musical Note "Rythem Box"
[14:36]  * Dr_Willis wonders when it was decided that right click menus on items in the panel cant do anything usefull also.. .  Oh well..
[14:36] <Dr_Willis> at least not with apps that use that notify- thing. :) GUess its the new 'way'
[14:37] <Dr_Willis> I see no setting in rythmbox to not show itself in that menu either.
[14:37] <Dr_Willis> I was thinking that > arrow was a 'expand/colpase' item. but its not
[14:37] <coz_> installing backported rythmbox on lucid to see
[14:38] <bp0> yeah, i wondered about the arrow too
[14:38] <bp0> and about the right click thing
[14:39] <bp0> the right click thing is confusing
[14:39] <bp0> other stuff still uses the old right click to show/left click for menu way
[14:39] <bp0> better imo
[14:39] <Dr_Willis> yea that whole new  system-tray methodology (what do they call it now)   (notfication aware?)   has it where the icons dont have any right click meny. You see the 'remove from panel' and it removes them ALL...
[14:40] <bp0> for instance transmission, there is no way to make it show the transmission window with one click if it is already open somewhere
[14:41] <Dr_Willis> the panel is/was/growing into a confuseign mess.. kde had a similer issue.. but  still from a 'users' point of view.. it seems that a lot of their 'icons' dont have a proepr right click menu now. :)
[14:41] <coz_> bp0,  transmissioni notification may be a result of transmisson developers  ..you might have to discuss that with them...
[14:41] <coz_> bp0,  I didnt test it in maverick but let me check there hold on
[14:41] <bp0> well, the new standard interface only allows left click, so the old left click shows window/right click menu thing wont work
[14:41] <Dr_Willis> Is there a panel 'applet' that puts a play/pause/next item in the panel?   searching for one in the ubuntu software center now.
[14:43] <coz_> Dr_Willis,   Music applet ??
[14:43] <Dr_Willis> coz_:  let me see.. :)
[14:43] <coz_> http://www.kuliniewicz.org/music-applet/
[14:43] <coz_> nevind  it is now Panflute
[14:44] <Dr_Willis> heh.
[14:44] <Dr_Willis> well looking to see whats included by default in the repos
[14:44] <Dr_Willis> It is nice that  the software center tells you where to find somthing in the menus now...
[14:45] <Dr_Willis> but its search feature seems to miss a lot of things
[14:45] <Dr_Willis> what 'department' would 'panel applets' be under. :) is there a 'gnome' department? i dont see one..
[14:45]  * Dr_Willis digs in deeper
[14:49] <Dr_Willis> I also wonder why the 'controls' for rythembox are so far down the menu item.  seems im hgaving to move my mouse a lot to just play the next tune.. :)
[14:50] <bp0> is there a rhythmbox channel i could grip in
[14:50] <bp0> or is this ubuntu only feature
[14:50] <coz_> bp0,  I dont see one
[14:51] <bp0> channel? I found one on gimpnet
[14:52] <bazhang>  /msg alis list *rhythmbox*
[14:53] <avis-> -->  freeze !   police !  ^Shaggy<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #catholics
[14:53] <bitplane> Hi, did they get rid of that awful updates popup in 10.10?
[14:54] <bitplane> there's nothing more irritating than that thing forcing itself to the front and stealing your input at every stage of the update
[15:10] <bp0> Dr_Willis, there is a plugin in rhytmbox called status ico
[15:10] <bp0> ...status icon
[15:10] <bp0> that put a regular good-style notify icon in the tray that you can use
[15:36] <apw> bac, about ?
[15:37] <bac> hi apw
[15:37] <apw> bac, i think you had the macpro, i posted a test kerenel and wondered if you could try it out
[15:37] <bac> apw: i have done no further testing
[15:37] <bac> apw: i can in a bit.  i've installed the nvidia driver, though, so i'll need to disable it at boot to test your fix, right?
[15:38] <apw> bac, yeah that'd be great.  we have a very small window to get this in, probabally if i have it today i can get it in
[15:38] <bac> apw: can you give me exact instructions on what the boot parameters must be?
[15:39] <bac> also, do you have the bug number handy?
[15:39] <apw> bac it should require no parameters
[15:39] <apw> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/546393
[15:39] <bac> apw: but won't it simply load the nvidia driver?  or are you saying i must uninstall it first?
[15:39] <apw> ahh i see, erm, we would need to disable it yes ... let me ask
[15:42] <bp0> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/641357
[15:42] <bp0> someone confirm
[15:44] <apw> bac i am told if you find the blacklist for nouveau in /etc/modprobe.d and comment that out, and add 'blacklist nvidia-common', and do "sudo update-alternatives --config gl_conf , pick mesa, sudo ldconfig, reboot"
[15:45] <apw> bac, its not clear disabling it in jockey isn't easier though
[15:50] <bac> apw: i disabled nvidia in jockey and it booted fine to your new kernel
[15:52] <apw> bac thank you -- could you say that in the bug, then i can use that as evidence for merging
[15:53] <bac> done
[15:53] <prep_> Having issues with printer, found driver that's near, but quality is less than desired. Found some info in the Ubuntu board, need help installing.
[16:05] <fluffman> anyone tested the new netbook with a dell mini 9?
[16:05] <fluffman> it's sooo sloooow for me. did an upgrade from 10.04
[16:06] <fluffman> in fact, the gui is pretty much unusable with the slow moving mouse and freezing. I'm using irssi from a VT now...
[16:13] <sense> The different categories in the Unity Applications and Files Places don't work. The Files Place even says I don't have any files. Is that a (known) bug, or an issue on my system?
[16:15] <fluffman> how do you add an application to the favorites list in unity?
[16:20] <Dink> sense, might be you works here. Haven't looked at bug report.
[16:20] <Wubbbi> MarkDude: Awake? ^^
[16:20] <sense> Dink: OK, then I'll take a closer look at my local system.
[16:21] <Dink> fluffman, open the app a lot of times ? I don't think you can.
[16:22] <fluffman> seriously? you can't customize the menu? you can remove stuff...I was able to remove cheese and evolution and crap. but can't remove firefox and chromium apparently
[16:22] <Dink> fluffman, yeah don't think its customizeable in the way people want yet.
[16:23] <fluffman> time to find my old 10.04 usb :( I was totally looking forward to unity, too, but that's a deal breaker. it's too slow to go to all applications all the time.
[16:23] <fluffman> how about ubuntu light? is there any way to test that out?
[16:23] <Dink> fluffman, You can add apps to the menu launcher on the left.
[16:24] <Dink> fluffman, well some apps :p
[16:24] <fluffman> Dink: how?
[16:24] <fluffman> i
[16:24] <fluffman> i've tried dragging/dropping and right clicking
[16:24] <fluffman> neither does anything... :(
[16:25] <Dink> fluffman, again on some apps, if you open it you can right click the icon on the menu and select stay in doc of something like that
[16:25] <Dink> fluffman, I have had times where I have to left,right click couple of times for the menu to show up
[16:25] <fluffman> okie dokie, will try that
[16:25] <fluffman> thanks Dink
[16:26] <Dink> fluffman, Again not all apps was able to add to the doc/menu/launcher
[16:26] <Dink> fluffman, I think the desktop file for the app or something needs to be built a certain way for it to work properly
[16:33] <myk_robinson> yofel: Morning. Figured out the issue with the Sony Vaio touchpad
[16:33] <myk_robinson> yofel: filing a bug report now. There is a regression in the kernel upgrade
[16:33] <myk_robinson> sticking with the base kernel, everything works as it should
[16:35] <yofel_> great time for a connection reset *-.-
[16:35] <yofel_> myk_robinson: can you repeat that?
[16:35] <myk_robinson> the kernel update to 2.6.35-22 breaks the alps glidepoint trackpad.
[16:35] <myk_robinson> My problem yesterday was I ran the updates during installation so i had nothing to fall back on
[16:35] <yofel> oh :(
[16:36] <myk_robinson> Clean install with no updates, and everything works, until the kernel update
[16:36] <myk_robinson> boot from the old kernel in GRUB, touchpad is back up
[16:36] <myk_robinson> filing a bug report now
[16:44] <myk_robinson> !bug
[16:44] <myk_robinson> !bug #641406
[17:09] <domjohnson> Hello
[17:09] <domjohnson> Are there any major bugs with 64bit 10.10 beta?
[17:09] <KukuNut> yes a lot especially kubuntu
[17:09] <KukuNut> login looping and segfaults of kde daemon
[17:10] <domjohnson> But with Gnome?
[17:10] <yofel> works fine here... except for the occasional krunner segfault
[17:10] <KukuNut> kubuntu is all messed up right now
[17:10] <domjohnson> Also - how do I get the checksum?
[17:10] <yofel> !checksum
[17:11] <domjohnson> No, I mean, how do I get the official one.
[17:11] <domjohnson> From the Ubuntu site?
[17:11] <yofel> checksum for what?
[17:11] <domjohnson> I think its the daily yesterday's daily build
[17:12] <yofel> !daily
[17:12] <yofel> the checksums are on the iso download pages
[17:13] <domjohnson> No, might just be the beta, then
[17:13] <domjohnson> I can't get the normal page up?
[17:13] <domjohnson> Only the DVD page.
[17:13] <yofel> o.O
[17:13]  * yofel goes looking
[17:14] <yofel> the beta cd's are here for example: http://ubuntu.intergenia.de/releases//10.10/
[17:14] <yofel> using the link from http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/beta
[17:15] <domjohnson> ok
[17:15] <domjohnson> Think mines dodgy, then
[17:15] <domjohnson> Unless it was the Daily Build from the 15th...
[17:16] <domjohnson> Can't seem to mount it, anyway
[17:16] <oxymoron> Does anyone know this guy Matt Colyer (http://matt.colyer.name/) who is inventor of imobiledevice?
[17:17] <Dr_Willis> if we all say No.. what will you do then? :)
[17:17] <U-b-u-n-t-u> hows 10.10 beta working out
[17:18] <vic20gmr> any1 here know the last ver of ubuntu to have fglrx that still supports radeon9600?
[17:19] <U-b-u-n-t-u> Dr_Willis, there is a lot of feed back here thanks for telling me to ask here
[17:20] <Dr_Willis> glad i dident finish my message to him..
[17:20] <charlie-tca> heh
[17:20] <charlie-tca> Did we miss the two minute response time again?
[17:21] <Dr_Willis> 9600 is a very old ati card isent  it - like 5 yrs ago?
[17:21] <Dr_Willis> charlie-tca:  we only had to tell him 4 times to ask about 10.10 in #ubuntu+1 .....
[17:22] <charlie-tca> Well, he did wait for a response, right? Looks like a good two minutes...
[17:22] <oxymoron> Dr_Willis: I guess I try to hunt him down, code my own library for iPhone or maybe find a better solution somehow :P
[17:23] <Dr_Willis> oxymoron:  check facebook. :) everyones on facebook...
[17:23] <charlie-tca> or even google
[17:23] <oxymoron> Dr_Willis: Hehe good idea :P
[17:24] <oxymoron> Dr_Willis: Dough, there is 5 Matt Colyer on FB :D
[17:25] <oxymoron> I just want a freaking solution to copy files to my iphone with ios 4.1
[17:25] <oxymoron> I Googled several hours several days in a row now
[17:25] <Dr_Willis> apple says 'no files for you!'
[17:25] <oxymoron> .I tried everything
[17:26] <Dr_Willis> No idea. sorry. only apple device i have is an old iMac that works very well as a Door Stop
[17:26] <oxymoron> I did Vbox with Windows, ITunes on Wine, libmobiledevice and iFuse libraries and so on. Linux found the device but I cannot do a freaking shit with it xD
[17:26] <Dr_Willis> sad that apple couldent just let it be seen as a usb device...
[17:27] <Dr_Willis> and work as a flash drive
[17:27] <Dr_Willis> bluetooth? oh wait.. did they include that.. sd slot? oh wait....
[17:27] <oxymoron> Dr_Willis: Yes, to sad :/ Thats the only thing left, then it would be like the ultimate phone.
[17:27] <Dr_Willis> I will pass on the ultimate phonebill :)
[17:28] <oxymoron> I had an Android phone earlier, but iOs is much better IMO.
[17:30] <Dr_Willis> never had either. yet. Due for a new phone at xmas. will see whats out then.
[17:31] <Dr_Willis> I want to have an affordable way to get my laptop to the internet from  everywhere. :)  yes.. its a dream...
[17:32] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. Thwe Fonts in Ubuntu Software Center are messed up for me.. the main Package name font is ok. but the mini description below it is 1/2 cut off..
[17:33] <oxymoron> Dr_Willis: Its not entirely the truth, but if you like to have devlopment rushment and problems buy Android phone :P And btw, I havent owned a single laptop my entire life, just waste of money on a clumsy device with crappy battery and very bad ergonomy.
[17:35] <Dink> vic20gmr, bit late but I think it was Hardy.
[17:36] <Dink> Whenever 9.3 was available
[17:36] <Dr_Willis> ive trimmed down to only one desktop machine. rest are laptops now.
[17:44] <Dr_Willis> !info mutter
[18:16] <Guest68495> su and gksu not working , but gksu or sudo workin ..
[18:17] <yofel> anirban111: did it work in lucid? (if you mean su to login to root, doesn't work, root doesn't have a password)
[18:18] <anirban111> yofel, but some program like gdebi calling gksu not gksudo ..
[18:19] <anirban111> how can make app like gdebi to use gksudo instead of gksu
[18:19] <yofel> hm, gksu works fine here, then again, I have a root password
[18:20] <yofel> but it asks me for *my* password, so it shouldn't require a root password :/
[18:20] <anirban111> yofel same here .. but authengation faliour
[18:21] <yofel> how do you blank a password again...
[18:21] <yofel> ah -d
[18:21] <anirban111> or single user mode
[18:22] <anirban111> comd not found ah -d
[18:23] <yofel> no that was me, going 'ah' when finding 'passwd -d'
[18:24] <yofel> meh, now gksu has the password cached and doesn't ask me :/
[18:24] <anirban111> drop he key
[18:25] <anirban111> the*
[18:25] <anirban111> sudo passwd root -d
[18:25] <anirban111> that i do
[18:25] <anirban111> passwd: password expiry information changed
[18:25] <yofel> I did that, but gksu still doesn't ask me, so I guess it has *my* password cached after all
[18:26] <anirban111> yofel u delete root pass by useing yofel pass
[18:28] <anirban111> root@Agani:/home/ani#   got it thank u yofel ..
[18:29] <yofel> hm, can't reproduce it, now it asked me, but accepted my password
[18:30] <anirban111> did u try>sudp passwd root
[18:30] <anirban111> sudo*
[18:30] <yofel> I did sudo -i to login as root, and then passwd -d root
[18:31] <super_anix> ohoo
[18:31] <super_anix> working for me now
[18:31] <yofel> good :)
[18:32] <super_anix> i did passwd -d root
[18:32] <super_anix> then sudo passwd root
[18:32] <super_anix> :D
[18:34] <super_anix> i am using kubuntu version of 10.10 now its only openbox with slim
[18:34] <super_anix> iwill try kubuntu again but in stable version
[18:36] <Dr_Willis> Ok. Got the netbook interface working on my Desktop. :)
[18:38] <super_anix> Dr_Willis, netbook remix
[18:50] <Dr_Willis> actually its just the gui to it :)   it seems.. quirky..
[18:50] <Volkodav> is samba still not behaving ?
[18:51] <Dr_Willis> It started working for me today Volkodav
[18:51] <Dr_Willis> this morning.
[18:51]  * Volkodav installing
[18:55] <Dr_Willis> heh - netbook interface crashed. :()
[19:20] <yofel> yay, I froze nouveau :( bug 641506
[19:25] <BUGabundo> hey guys
[19:26] <charlie-tca> Hello, BUGabundo
[19:27] <area51pilot> updated 10.10 this morning and it wont boot
[19:27] <area51pilot> installed on a Win7 host
[19:29] <BUGabundo> I've got a toshiba laptop, running Maverick, with a ATI Radeo HD 4500, with stock drivers
[19:29] <BUGabundo> when plugged VIA HDMI to a 37" Pionneer LCD/TV the colors are bloated, turning green and magenta
[19:34] <vish> it^^ just turned out to be BUGabundo's confusion of the new wallpaper!
[19:34]  * vish hides again!
[19:34]  * BUGabundo slaps an HAM in vish mouth
[19:34] <vish> nom nom!
[19:36] <BUGabundo> so the question is, are their any other drivers that I could test?
[19:37] <BUGabundo> this ones work so well, other the descoloration
[19:37] <duffydack> anything I can do yet with this always-on fan on my laptop ATI
[19:37] <duffydack> till fglrx comes out, and makes it quiet
[19:39] <yofel> not sure, afaik the open source drivers don't support power management
[19:48] <area51pilot> what is syntax to run a prog from terminal?
[19:49] <charlie-tca> programname
[19:49] <charlie-tca> hit enter
[19:50] <BUGabundo> $ man man
[19:51] <charlie-tca> man man ???
[19:51] <BUGabundo> yes
[19:52] <BUGabundo> man man :P
[19:52] <charlie-tca> Okay, man man
[19:52] <BUGabundo> that was how ppl would start learning about linux, 15 why ago
[19:52] <BUGabundo> :p
[19:53] <charlie-tca> Oh, that is outdated/old-fashioned now. Instead it called "The Ubuntu Manual", isn't it?
[19:53] <BUGabundo> yes
[19:53] <BUGabundo> and you kwno what : GOOGLE :P
[19:53] <charlie-tca> Yay! google
[20:01] <yofel> there's also man intro, but man man is more classic :D
[20:01] <nigelb> yofel: amen
[20:01] <nigelb> man man is awesome
[20:04]  * charlie-tca is glad he answered the question before the discussion happened
[20:04] <yofel> hehe
[20:06] <duffydack> 'Rubbish Bin'   hmmmm
[20:15] <BUGabundo> C̳̺ͬ͒̕O̷̖͍̰͎͓͓̗̎͐͞M̸͇̬̙̯̫̓̓ͭ̉ͩ̿̔ͅẼ̼̥͈͖̦͍̞̩̂̒̑͂͢S̡̬̬̠̭̻̫̘̐ͫ̒ ̡̹̫̗̝͚̙̣͇ͧͤ̎͋̓͆͂̾Z͎̼̭͖̜̫̦ͯ̍̊͢Ă̸̢͓ͪ͊͛̚L̢̦̤ͬ͒̕G̘̖̭̳̹̣̹̥ͬͨ͐͛̑̚͡O̲̽̏͢͞
[20:15] <BUGabundo> oops
[20:15] <BUGabundo> not that
[20:15] <BUGabundo> how can a 1 week upgrade take over one hour !?
[20:15] <BUGabundo> jizza
[20:17] <charlie-tca> Why would it be faster than that, if you waited a whole week to upgrade? How many updates is that, close to one-thousand, right?
[20:18] <BUGabundo> no idea
[20:18] <BUGabundo> I'm doing the "human" thing on that one
[20:18] <BUGabundo> using Upgrade manager lol
[20:18] <BUGabundo> and not aptitude alias I have on my laptop
[20:18] <BUGabundo> :ṕ
[20:19] <charlie-tca> heh
[20:19] <charlie-tca> gonna be a while, then.
[20:19] <BUGabundo> its still on empathy
[20:19] <charlie-tca> I use update-manager every week or two, just to see if it works. But I upgrade daily with apt-get
[20:21]  * yofel tries to upgrade with muon for a change..
[20:22] <BUGabundo> is VLC (or codecs) broken?
[20:22] <BUGabundo> I only get shutter audio, and slow video
[20:22] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: I *never* used UM in my laptop
[20:23] <BUGabundo> well at least no in the last 2 years or so
[20:24] <charlie-tca> How would I find out it broke if I never use it?
[20:24] <charlie-tca> :-)
[20:25] <BUGabundo> I remember when UM upgrades would actually brake the system
[20:25] <charlie-tca> me too
[20:26] <charlie-tca> That's why I test it, but I figured I don't want to know everyday
[20:27] <BUGabundo> LOL
[20:27] <BUGabundo> I even have an alias
[20:27] <BUGabundo> $ grep apti .bashrc
[20:27] <BUGabundo> alias aptitudeupgrade='sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade ; sudo aptitude full-upgrade'
[20:28] <charlie-tca> I use update
[20:28] <charlie-tca> update = sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:33] <yofel> alias getupdates='sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade && sudo aptitude full-upgrade'
[20:33] <yofel> :P
[20:36] <BUGabundo> copy cat
[21:39] <svu> anyone getting funny autotools warnings with 10.10?
[21:39] <svu>  warning: AC_INIT: not a literal:
[21:39] <zorael> samba keeps failing to upgrade. The prerm script hangs and blocks the upgrade process (from continuing to other packages). Is this a known thing or should I file a bug?
[21:39] <DarthFrog> Does anyone know if rekonq supports kioslaves?
[21:42] <yofel> shadeslayer: ^
[21:46] <yofel> zorael: we had bug 639768 as a common samba issue, that's supposed to be fixed though
[21:50] <zorael> yofel: That looks very related to what I'm getting (http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/495533/). I'll subscribe to it, thanks
[21:52] <yofel> hm, that was fixed though and that was about *starting* smbd, not about stopping it, so you might have another issue
[21:54] <mikeos>  i'm on kubuntu maverick beta, in powermanagement the option "Turn off display" on lid close. It works fine except from when I reopen the lid the display stays blank until i switch to another TTY and back. Any hints?
[21:56] <veenenen> Hey everybody. Anyone know what's going on the apple magic trackpad drivers? They've been working fine in maverick until this afternoon's updates, now the configuration tab in mouse preferences is gone and tap to click isn't working.
[21:56] <mikeos> google gives no results;  before filing a bug I'd like to identify the component at least - KDE, powerdevil, nvidia card, Xorg
[21:58] <mikeos> veenenen: perhaps you upgraded to 2.6.35-22 kernel.  If you didn't purge the previous one, try to boot 2.6.35-21 and rerport the result..
[21:58] <yofel> veenenen: try to boot an older kernel, someone else had touchpad problems with -22, different hardware though
[22:01] <veenenen> ok
[22:01] <veenenen> thanks
[22:03] <mikeos> someone running 4.5.1 on maverick on laptop could try the "Turn Off Display" on lid close whether the display comes back on lid reopen?
[22:09] <yofel> oh, KDE?
[22:09]  * yofel goes trying..
[22:10] <yofel> mikeos: stays off until I press a button or move the mouse
[22:10] <yofel> and get's locked :/
[22:10] <Sarvatt> BUGabundo: have you tried booting with the hdmi plugged in from the start, or are you always just hotplugging it?
[22:11] <BUGabundo> hotplug
[22:11] <BUGabundo> let me try that
[22:11] <mikeos> yofel: thanks for the test; my behaviour:  stays off until I press a button or move mouse; when I do that, the display gets backlit but stays blank :-/  what could I try to do in order to get  some more (debug)info?
[22:12] <BUGabundo> lol there goes sarvatt
[22:12] <yofel> mikeos: not sure, not an X debugging expert..., check dmesg and xorg log for once
[22:13] <yofel> mikeos: and maybe look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/ if there's something useful
[22:14] <yofel> oh nice, my nouveau lockup from today is even documented lol https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Freeze#Problem:%20%20Log%20shows%20%22[mi]%20EQ%20overflowing%22%20and%20X%20freezes
[22:15] <yofel> grr... powerdevil changing hdd powermanagement values is making me mad *-.-
[22:16] <yofel> (and giving a single checkbox to set it to 254 or to 1, very usefull)
[22:16] <mikeos> "xset dpms force suspend" and "xset dpms force on" both work as expected, switch off then switch back on the display, so I don't think Xorg is an issue..
[22:16] <yofel> maybe the driver doing some internal madness then
[22:16] <BUGabundo> great
[22:16] <yofel> or bios
[22:16] <BUGabundo> now my sound died
[22:16] <BUGabundo> darn it
[22:17] <yofel> muahahaha
[22:17] <BUGabundo> how do we restart sound this days?
[22:17] <mikeos> yofel: right, maybe... unfortunately I can't test neither with NV or NOUVEAU since the only driver working for my HW is the proprietary ;-(
[22:17] <BUGabundo> pulseaudio -k ?
[22:18] <mikeos> BUGabundo: AFAIK if you're on KDE there's also Phonon wrapping the audio services
[22:18] <veenenen> ok, quick stupid question. how to you tell maverick to boot to another kernel. I see the kernel in the boot folder, but I never get a chance to hit esc on boot.
[22:18] <yofel> :(
[22:18] <yofel> BUGabundo: I think, it should auto-respawn
[22:18] <BUGabundo> mikeos: Worse
[22:18] <BUGabundo> gnome with a chroot and nexted X to KDE apps
[22:18] <mikeos> veenenen:  grub2 uses SHIFT to pop-up the boot menu
[22:19] <veenenen> i use luks, so do I just hold down shift after I enter my key?
[22:19] <yofel> meaning: start holding shift during the bios display, it should come up then
[22:20] <veenenen> alright, thanks
[22:21] <mikeos> BUGabundo: nested X plays no role thus I suppose that I would look at pulse audio..
[22:21] <BUGabundo> sound broke after kmail open
[22:21] <BUGabundo> and it asked for sound devices
[22:22] <veenenen> yeah, that didn't work
[22:23] <veenenen> it just booted up normally
[22:24] <mikeos> yofel: what gfx card do you have?
[22:25] <yofel> here a Quadro NVS 3100M
[22:25] <mikeos> veenenen: i use right shift, don't know if it makes a difference;  push it as soon as your PC completes with POST
[22:26] <mikeos> yofel: well nvidia; my drivers are 256.53
[22:26] <mikeos> yofel: are you on proprietary drivers?
[22:26] <charlie-tca> hold the shift key
[22:27] <yofel> mikeos: I am, 260.19.04 though (x-updates ppa)
[22:28] <mikeos> yofel: this one? https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates
[22:28] <BUGabundo> can anyone tell me from the top of their head what I need to migrate from one laptop to another to move Kmail ?
[22:28] <yofel> mikeos: right, that one
[22:29] <mikeos> yofel:  my Xorg comes from Xorg edgers repo, didn't know about this multipuropse "edgers" PPA ;-)
[22:29] <yofel> BUGabundo: .kde/share/apps/kmail and one more folder IIRC
[22:30] <yofel> mikeos: ah, I don't use edgers here
[22:31] <BUGabundo> WOW
[22:31] <BUGabundo> major bug
[22:31] <BUGabundo> anyone here on gnome/nautilus?
[22:32] <BUGabundo> seems nautilus doesn't like '~'
[22:32] <mikeos> yofel: drivers dont't install:
[22:32] <mikeos> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[22:32] <mikeos>   xserver-xorg-core: Breaks: xserver-xorg-video-6 which is a virtual package.
[22:32] <yofel> I would blame edgers
[22:33] <yofel> as x-updates is built against the official archive
[22:33] <yofel> mikeos: you could try to build the package yourself, pretty easy
[22:33] <mikeos> yofel: yeah, me too :-/  aptitude does not propose a downgrade option.. a tough work in front of me
[22:33] <mikeos> yofel: you mean the package from nvidia.com?
[22:34] <yofel> mikeos: no the nvidia-current package from x-updates, needs a simple rebuild I think
[22:34] <veenenen> alright got it switched back to 2.6.35-21 and no change
[22:34] <veenenen> the trackpad pad still isn't working right
[22:35] <yofel> mikeos: from https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates/+sourcepub/1289885/+listing-archive-extra download the 3 files at the bottom somewhere
[22:36] <mikeos> yofel: what's your output of "Xorg -version"  ?
[22:36] <yofel> http://paste.ubuntu.com/495551/
[22:38]  * BUGabundo tries a symlink maildir setup
[22:38] <BUGabundo> just hope it won't break all my emails :S
[22:39] <mikeos> yofel: we've got pretty the same Xorg, just the packaging is different. I'll compile the nvidia from x-swat and I will see. If ok, i'll purge Xorg, remove the edgers repo and reinstall default maverick Xorg
[22:39] <BUGabundo> 36G	total
[22:39] <BUGabundo> humm I better make an extra , local , backup
[22:40] <veenenen> Anyone else have any ideas on the trackpad issue?
[22:40]  * yofel looks at his tiny 750MiB .thunderbird folder...
[22:40] <BUGabundo> that's just *some* accounts
[22:40] <BUGabundo> I have one on imap with 80GBs
[22:40] <yofel> veenenen: can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[22:40] <mikeos> yofel: i'll need to kill X in order to compile nvidia.. bbl;  thanks so far
[22:41] <yofel> mikeos: why are you compiling nvidia??
[22:41] <mikeos> yofel: i'm compiling the driver from source as you suggested
[22:41] <BUGabundo> kmail is the last thing I have to migrate from my old HD to the new SSD
[22:41] <BUGabundo> but its SO BIG I has to stay on an external disk
[22:41] <mikeos> yofel: in fact the script does teh compilation for me
[22:41] <yofel> mikeos: I said rebuild the package, not compile the driver
[22:41] <mikeos> yofel: oh
[22:41] <BUGabundo> either that or I need to start deletign 20GBs of email
[22:42] <veenenen> http://paste.ubuntu.com/495554/
[22:42] <yofel> mikeos: do you have the 3 files downloaded?
[22:43] <mikeos> yofel: just the gzipped tar; you're suggesting just to repackage the deb?
[22:43] <yofel> mikeos: open a terminal, go to the place you downloaded them to and run 'dpkg -x nvidia-graphics-drivers_260.19.04-0ubuntu0~xup2.dsc ' go into the folder that was created and run 'sudo apt-get build-dep nvidia-current' and then 'dpkg-buildpackage' - that will create a new nvidia-current.deb in the folder above
[22:43] <yofel> err wrong
[22:44] <mikeos> yofel: clear now
[22:44] <yofel> dpkg-source -x nvidia-graphics-drivers_260.19.04-0ubuntu0~xup2.dsc
[22:44] <htorque> maybe with --no-check ;)
[22:44] <yofel> which *should* install from what I know
[22:45] <yofel> veenenen: erm, line 720-722 don't exacly sound good...
[22:46] <yofel> veenenen: do you have xserver-xorg-input-evdev installed?
[22:46] <mikeos> yofel: the driver is in :-)  killing X
[22:46] <veenenen> no, i do not
[22:47] <yofel> install that and see if it helps
[22:49] <veenenen> i'm assuming I should restart?
[22:49] <yofel> at least restart X (logout)
[22:49] <veenenen> ok
[22:51] <mikeos> yofel: 260.19.04 active;  the problem with blank screen persists.  If I knew how KDE 4.5 Power Management module handles display on/off...:-/
[22:51] <yofel> then I'm out of ideas (maybe someone in #kubuntu-devel knows the latter)
[22:55] <yofel> veenenen: better? or even more broken?
[22:56] <veenenen> well, got rid of that first error, but it's still the same
[22:56] <yofel> :/
[22:58] <veenenen> http://paste.ubuntu.com/495559/
[22:58] <veenenen> updated output
[23:00] <yofel> hm, bug 637430 was fixed yesterday, maybe that's what's causing your problem
[23:01] <yofel> xserver-xorg-input-evdev (1:2.3.2-6ubuntu3) maverick; urgency=low
[23:01] <yofel>   * Set default input module to evdev for Apple Magic Mouse (LP: #637430)
[23:01] <yofel>     - Add debian/local/60-magictrackpad.conf
[23:02] <BUGabundo> guys allow me a bit of offtopic
[23:02] <BUGabundo> anyone here is able to recommend a good remote, offsite, domestic user oriented, backup solution ?
[23:02] <mikeos> yofel: those devel guys are ignoring me (obviously;);  btw KDE behaves funny as to power management. When I first lock my session, then lid close does nothing. The same for suspend key combination - does not work when the screen is locked...  stuipd I think
[23:03] <yofel> o.O
[23:03] <yofel> veenenen: maybe go to #ubuntu-x mentioning your problem, Xorg.0.log and the bug I referenced
[23:04] <veenenen> ok, thanks
[23:04] <BUGabundo> guess no one does backups then
[23:04] <yofel> if you get no answer for a while, file a bug with 'ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-input-evdev' and add the regression-potential tag if apport doesn't add it
[23:05] <yofel> BUGabundo: rsync is fine for my needs
[23:05] <BUGabundo> yofel: sure... but *where* to
[23:05] <BUGabundo> I already have 2 local disks
[23:05] <BUGabundo> I want an offsite solution
[23:05] <yofel> I rsync over the network on another PC
[23:05] <mikeos> BUGabundo: i prefer duplicity; very versatile command line tool for simple backups
[23:06] <mikeos> BUGabundo: "duplicity" is the name of the tools, so far the best I have seen
[23:07] <veenenen> BUGabundo: I use s3cmd and backup stuff to s3 for my off site
[23:07] <BUGabundo> deja-dupe is nice too
[23:07] <BUGabundo> veenenen: yeah I looked into that
[23:07] <BUGabundo> but 100GBs with 3 years storage would amount to 400US$
[23:07] <mikeos> BUGabundo: isn't it a GUI over duplicity?  If i'm not mistaken from what I have seen I wouldn't recommend it
[23:08] <BUGabundo> think so
[23:10] <BUGabundo> how IO and CPU heavy is duplicity algorithms compared to EncFS or trucrypt?
[23:11] <yofel> veenenen: added my 2 cents, as I said, it nobody answers for a while, file a bug so it doesn't get forgotten (apport will add your xorg log to the report)
[23:11] <yofel> *if nobody answers
[23:11] <veenenen> yofel: thanks
[23:13] <mikeos> BUGabundo: i think google gives an answer about your quesion; i switched from EncFS to ecryptfs thanks to it's great integration with the login process to the machine, e.g. automount home
[23:13] <mikeos> BUGabundo: oops you asked about duplicity, i believe it uses gzip
[23:15] <BUGabundo> moving this to #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:15] <BUGabundo> if you care to join me
[23:16] <BUGabundo> since ill be meaning comercial products
[23:18] <mikeos> yofel: thanks for your support, time for sleep
[23:19]  * mikeos_away is away: Gone away for now
[23:19] <nigelb> !away mikeos_away
[23:19]  * nigelb nudges ubottu
[23:26] <duanedesign> has anyone had the Broadcast Accounts dialog continuously opening every 15 minutes or so?
[23:32] <vlcn> can someone explain what is going on here? http://hostthenpost.org/uploads/3a9c031b8277037d79554aed1bf5711a.png
[23:32] <vlcn> why are there two drives?
[23:34] <dholbert> vlcn, I can't explain it, but that's not two drives
[23:34] <dholbert> that's one drive, and its partition
[23:34] <dholbert> sda = the hard drive device, sda1 = the first partition on the drive
[23:35] <vlcn> ah
[23:42] <Jordan_U> vlcn: You most likely want to select sda only.
[23:52] <white_magic> hi
[23:52] <white_magic> anyone here?
[23:52] <white_magic> i'm having constant trouble upgrading 10.10 beta. it fails at the 'fetching' part
[23:54] <white_magic> anybody?
[23:54] <ChogyDan> white_magic: is there a more specific error?
[23:55] <Dink> network issue ?
[23:55] <white_magic> well
[23:55] <white_magic> i am on wireless
[23:55] <white_magic> however, it works fine for web browsing
[23:55] <white_magic> the message is really just that 'failed to fetch ... blah blah blah package'
[23:55] <Dink> look at /etc/apt/sources.list.d/prerequists-sources.list and see if you can ping that url
[23:55] <white_magic> same message for like 100+ packages
[23:55] <white_magic> ok
[23:57] <LBo> Sorry for the question but I can't find the answer
[23:57] <LBo> Is sun-java removed from maverick?
[23:58] <LBo> I can't apt-cache search it
[23:58] <yofel> LBo: no, it's simply not there yet
[23:58] <LBo> aha
[23:58] <white_magic> hmm, on a different note, i tried pinging google.com for a few seconds, and i had 28% packet loss..that can't be good, right?
[23:58] <yofel> (not removed as in: it never was there)
[23:58] <LBo> yofel: thanks. That's what I wanted to know. I'll install the lucid for now then
[23:58] <Dink> white_magic, you are having some sort of network issue.
[23:58] <white_magic> yea, it's called wireless...
[23:58] <white_magic> :(
[23:58] <yofel> LBo: there is a bug open requesting it and it should be there soon, use the lucid package or help testing openjdk ;)
[23:58] <Dink> LBo, use lucid partner repo
[23:59] <LBo> Will do. Thanks for the help. I'm trying this new php ide
[23:59] <LBo> We're still on Zend 5.5 and I'm now trying phpstorm


 Orlando
[20:53] <k1l_> uh, you are _that_ old? ;p
[20:55]  * valorie is a grandma!
[20:56] <valorie> when I was little, we used round rocks, not those new-fangled TYRES
[20:56] <valorie> etc.
[20:56] <k1l_> hehe
[20:56] <valorie> also I've been online forever
[20:57] <valorie> mid-80s or so
[20:57] <k1l_> i am going to tell my kids the "when i was young, pluto was a planet" joke :)
[20:57] <valorie> lol
[20:57] <k1l_> uh. that is really early adopter
[20:57] <valorie> when my kids were young, pluto was a planet!
[20:57] <valorie> 400 baud, baby
[20:58] <valorie> I could type faster than it would send
[20:58] <valorie> of course that was dialup back then
[21:00] <k1l_> today it feels only like 400baud :)
[21:01] <valorie> right, sometimes when I complain I think back to the past and then hush myself
[21:13] <popey> conversely my mum had never used a computer before she was 70 ( a few years ago ) and her first internet connection was 50Mb/s :)
[21:14] <k1l_> such spoiled parents ;p
[21:17] <popey> heh
[22:00] <IdleOne> popey: I wasn't logged in but still #ubuntu-doc was probably the right place to send them :)
[22:02] <genii> Unit193: Not as far as I know of
[23:27] <k1l_> [_WWW-BUKOLAY-COM]<EMAIL_ADDRESS> the pornsite spammer again
[23:27] <bazhang> should be klined tbh
[23:28] <bazhang> hitting multiple channels
[23:28] <k1l_> yep
[23:31] <k1l_> what was freenodes antispambot again and what was the state of putting it back in #u or not?
[23:32] <bazhang> sigyn?
[23:57] <chu> idoru?


[00:39] <Umeaboy> Is there a official channel for Ubports?
[00:39] <Umeaboy> This seems rather.............. quiet.
[02:54] <tr4ck3ur> yes, a bit quiet, but feel free to exchange*


[00:20] <cwillu_at_work> pythonirc101, you're aware that twisted has a capable ssh server which will avoid some of the issues I was discussing (although will be slightly more complex initially)
[00:21] <twb> I would be wary of any sshd implementation that isn't OpenSSH
[00:22] <cwillu_at_work> pythonirc101, the actual implementation of crypto is extremely sensitive; it'd be quite rare to have a pure python implementation, and the security of such an implementation would be very questionable given the indeterminate timing of running that code
[00:22] <twb> (Having said that, I do run lshd on prisoner desktops, because unlike sshd, it doesn't Depends: on an ssh client.)
[00:22] <cwillu_at_work> twb, don't confuse the crypto with the protocol
[00:23] <cwillu_at_work> it's quite straightforward to implement the multiplexing of ssh
[00:23] <twb> cwillu_at_work: crypto can be correct and still used improperly and thereby result in weakness
[00:23] <cwillu_at_work> twb, the multiplexing involved is not complicated from a security standpoint, that's the entire reason its there
[00:23] <twb> All I'm saying is I wouldn't use it without careful consideration
[00:23] <cwillu_at_work> you might as well say that you wouldn't trust a python web server that was hosted over https
[00:24] <twb> cwillu_at_work: I wouldn't :-)
[00:24] <cwillu_at_work> twb, then you're silly :p
[00:24] <SpamapS> We're still on this? Why on earth would you use an SSH server unless you want crazy flexibility?
[00:24] <cwillu_at_work> SpamapS, I'm not sure why he's taking that approach either, to be honest
[00:24] <SpamapS> if you want authenticated, encrypted communication, without the saddle of "users" ... TLS is quite a bit more useful.
[00:24] <cwillu_at_work> other than some requirement to use existing daemons (in an insecure way I might add)
[00:25] <cwillu_at_work> given that there are mature implementations of both protocols available though...
[00:25] <SpamapS> sshd has so many extra things
[00:25] <SpamapS> so many places to screw up
[00:26] <cwillu_at_work> most of which really aren't that scary when you're not actually hooking up to real system users
[00:26] <SpamapS> TLS identifies each side (client, optional), and then encrypts. Very simple.
[00:26] <OutOfControl> Hello
[00:26] <cwillu_at_work> again, I don't disagree, it's pretty much guaranteed to be overkill for his purposes
[00:27] <cwillu_at_work> (and he's been told this in both #python and #twisted)
[00:27] <SpamapS> :)
[00:27] <OutOfControl> I am wondering what would be better for a Amazon EC2, Ubuntu Server or Desktop and what is the difference besides Windows Manager in Desktop
[00:28]  * SpamapS goes back to reading his mountain of unread email
[00:28] <SpamapS> OutOfControl: um, what?
[00:28] <SpamapS> OutOfControl: why would you ever run Ubuntu desktop on an amazon instance?
[00:29] <OutOfControl> I'm not sure
[00:30] <SpamapS> OutOfControl: We have official AMI's to run server in EC2
[00:30] <SpamapS> OutOfControl: http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/
[00:31] <OutOfControl> Thanks
[00:31] <SpamapS> OutOfControl: we also are working on making running specific apps in the cloud easier with juju. https://juju.ubuntu.com/
[00:31] <OutOfControl> Ok
[00:32] <OutOfControl> SpamapS: The server link on the cloud images is just a loop
[00:34] <OutOfControl> Should I use the AMD64 AMI for the micro instance?
[00:48] <tazmania> I have ubuntu-server 10.04 LTS with my nms and radius set up.  Is there a way in which I can create a customized distro based on my set up so that I do not have to go through the painful process of setting up the system?
[00:53] <twb> http://paste.debian.net/150798/ why isn't APT::Default-Release DWIMming?
[00:53] <twb> I told it I want oneiric to be D-R but it isn't using 990 priority for all my oneiric entries, only some.
[00:54] <twb> Wait a minute, it looks like it's not applying them to Translation-en only, which is fucking strange and wrong, but I don't really care
[00:55] <tazmania> How do I or can I create a customized ubuntu-server distro?
[00:56] <twb> tazmania: jigdo
[00:56] <tazmania> twb: jigdo? a new distro?
[00:57] <smw> tazmania, what are you trying to do with this "custom distro"?
[00:58] <tazmania> smw: So that I don't have to go through the same painful and lengthy process of setting up the system
[00:59] <tazmania> smw: and also for the engineers who will take over the project next time
[00:59] <twb> So you want an SOE
[00:59] <smw> tazmania, it seems like an easier way would be to just make a script that does all the changes
[00:59] <tazmania> What's SOE?
[00:59] <twb> standard operating environment
[01:00] <twb> Basically all your desktops end up configured the same way, same set of packages installed, same corporate wallpaper, etc.
[01:01] <twb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Operating_Environment
[01:01] <tazmania> smw: I do have the script which takes care of setting up additional packages.  But I still need to manually set up the mysql and other database
[01:01] <twb> For the base install you want to read up on preseeding and/or kickstart
[01:01] <tazmania> twb: yes. all the servers will have exact identical imaage
[01:01] <twb> For post-install change management you should look at puppet/chef/cfengine
[01:02] <tazmania> I just wondered how mythbuntu did it - myth-TV package + ubuntu desktop
[01:02] <twb> Alternatively you can prepare a read-only / emphemeral image, the provision umpteen of them speaking to a persistent SQL backend -- this is basically what Amazon EC2/S3 is
[01:03] <smw> tazmania, I have made custom disks before. It was awhile ago and I think jigdo did not exist
[01:03] <twb> AFAIK mythbuntu does it differently
[01:03] <twb> smw: jigdo has existed for decades
[01:03] <smw> twb, in that case I was an idiot ;-)
[01:03] <twb> smw: it was introduced about the same time as DVDs IIRC
[01:03] <twb> To avoid having to host DVD-sized images on cdimage.debian.org
[01:03] <smw> tazmania, I just made my own deb repo with everything I needed and put it on the cd.
[01:04] <twb> smw: you don't even need a CD, just put it on your httpd
[01:04] <smw> tazmania, then I made a custom preseed file and had some scripts that packaged it all into an iso
[01:04] <smw> twb, yeah
[01:04] <tazmania> So I can now do it with jigdo
[01:04] <smw> twb, for my situation, the CD made more sense
[01:05] <twb> preseeding is documented in an appendix of the installation guide; apt-get install installation-guide-amd64
[01:05] <smw> twb, we gave them out and they put ubuntu on refurb computers to be donated to people
[01:05] <twb> Ah, OK
[01:05] <smw> twb, our windows licenses only worked for non-profits
[01:06] <smw> twb, so we used ubuntu to give out functioning systems
[01:06] <twb> Not freedos ? ;-)
[01:06] <smw> lol
[01:07] <tazmania> so I should try out jigdo
[01:07] <twb> tazmania: preseeding + puppet is more likely what you want
[01:08] <tazmania> let me check it out
[01:10] <tazmania> twb: is it two different packages or in one source?
[01:10] <OutOfControl> How do I update my Ubuntu Server in EC2 without rebuilding it?
[01:10] <twb> preseeding isn't a package, it's part of the normal installer
[01:11] <twb> puppet is a separate package that does a different job
[01:11] <tazmania> ok thanks.
[01:11] <tazmania> I will check out both jigdo and puppet as recommended
[01:11] <twb> OutOfControl: I don't know, google for "ubuntu + cloud"
[01:12] <twb> OutOfControl: it's some trendy buzzword bollocks, so you will need to filter out all the naff noise
[01:12] <OutOfControl> Ok
[01:13] <OutOfControl> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EC2StartersGuide is good
[01:14] <twb> I can't comment
[01:15] <twb> I like my OSes to run where I can go kick the hardware when it inevitably shits itself
[01:18] <twb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing#Issues
[01:19] <glaukommatos> So, I've set up an ad-hoc wireless access point with dnsmasq and iptables; I can access things on the same network as the machine that's doing the sharing, but is it possible for me to forward all of the traffic in such a way that it would be effectively the same as having the clients be directly on the network? (For example, I'd like things like iTunes sharing to work and zeroconf to be working.) [Forgive my rather inarticu
[01:22] <twb> glaukommatos: sure; use brctl as well as hostapd on the AP
[01:22] <twb> i.e. bridge instead of routing
[01:31] <glaukommatos> Does hostapd require that I be able to put my wireless device into master mode? I can only do ad-hoc afaik.
[01:31] <twb> AFAIK if you want an AP and you run linux, you use hostapd.
[01:32] <twb> I have only used it on managed networks but ISTR ad-hoc support
[01:32] <twb> What evidence do you have that managed mode is not supported?
[01:35] <glaukommatos> Oh, well I think managed mode does work- I had assumed that I needed it to run in master mode to run an ap (besides using ad-hoc); and when I tried to do master mode, it didn't seem to be supported by the driver (iwlagn).
[01:39] <twb> I don't know what master mode is
[01:39] <twb> hostapd should take care of putting it in the appropriate state
[01:56] <glaukommatos> Alright, I'll try this out tomorrow. I'd do it now, but I'm in the middle of a very long file transfer on the connection as it is set up currently. Thanks.
[03:10] <twb> sleepd vs. powernap -- anyone got an opinion?
[03:13] <SpamapS> twb: I've not used sleepd.. powernap is, IMO, a bit too aggressive in its default configuration for a server. But kirkland has shown me a few settings to back it off so its less dangerous.
[03:14] <twb> I'm just wondering why it exists since it looks like a new project from lp, when sleepd has existed for a while and AFAICT meets the same requirements
[03:18] <twb> I wish lp would buy the lp.net domain
[03:18] <twb> The same way sf.net -> sourceforge.net
[03:25] <twb> kirkland: why is powernap better than sleepd?
[04:12] <hallyn> zul: hey, tftpd-hpa upstart job has a type (needs 'start *on' runlevel and paren) - assume you've noticed?
[04:32] <tero> What is the most easy way to setup ubuntu server as a NAT router?
[04:34] <hallyn> tero: you can see the 'simple iptables example' at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing
[04:36] <hallyn> also, the /opt/bin/share-wlan-eth0 script at http://s3hh.wordpress.com/2011/12/15/simple-netboot-setup/ shows what I always do
[04:36] <hallyn> that's all i've got, i'm out
[05:09] <twb> tero: install it, raise both interfaces, add -o upstream -j MASQUERADE to *nat table via /etc/ufw or /etc/iptables/rules.v4
[05:10] <twb> tero: oh, and turn on ip_forward, of course
[06:36] <NullEntity> I have a quick postfix question and every remotely related channel is completely dead. Could someone here help me quick?
[06:45] <cwillu_at_work> NullEntity, ask a question, don't ask to ask
[06:45] <SpamapS> !ask
[06:49] <NullEntity> I'm trying to use Dovecot with Postfix. I can revceive with TLS fine, but I can't send. My client tells me "Authentication methods are not supported by server." I'm not sure if it's related, but ELOH fails the first time.  http://pastebin.com/QGaNq80Z
[06:57] <SpamapS> NullEntity: is there something in /var/log/mail.log at the same time?
[07:14] <chiggins> Hey guys. So I just installed bind from tasksel, now how do I add DNS entries to it? I'm new with DNS
[07:14] <chiggins> And bind
[07:15] <qman__> the configs are in /etc/bind/
[07:15] <qman__> be aware that it's very picky about syntax
[07:15] <qman__> you need to create zone files and then define them in the config
[07:15] <qman__> if you mess up, it'll show in /var/log/syslog
[07:16] <chiggins> Cool, thanks for that tip. Sorry that I'm not too dns experienced, but what's a zone?
[07:19] <twb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zonefile
[07:20] <twb> Personally I can strongly recommend NSD for hosting zonefiles, and unbound for a caching recursive resolver.  I'm not a fan of bind's "all in one" approach
[07:22] <chiggins> Right now I'm just looking to have a local dns setup so I don't have to remember all of my ip addresses
[07:22] <twb> In that case I recommend you use dnsmasq for DNS and dhcp
[07:23] <twb> Then it'll automatically know where everything is because it'll get it straight from the DHCP request
[07:23] <qman__> I use bind for that purpose, local zones and internet name resolution for the network
[07:24] <qman__> and yes, dnsmasq is superior in that feature
[07:24] <qman__> I used bind because that's what I know
[07:24] <twb> you can do it with isc but it's a PITA
[07:25] <chiggins> Well, I figured I would just use bind, considering that's usually the result I get when I look up linux dns
[07:25] <qman__> it's been around a long time
[07:26] <chiggins> Yeah, from my light research I noticed, heh.
[07:26] <twb> widespread ≠ goo
[07:26] <twb> widespread ≠ good
[07:27] <qman__> yeah, age and popularity have benefits, but that doesn't make it the best option
[07:27] <qman__> it's not a poor choice, though
[07:27] <chiggins> So would you two maybe recommend I look into dnsmasq instead?
[07:27] <twb> chiggins: for your needs, yes
[07:28] <qman__> you'll probably have a better experience with it
[07:29] <qman__> but bind isn't nearly as bad as sendmail
[07:29] <twb> I basically don't trust ISC anything anymore
[07:29] <qman__> still get nightmares about it
[07:29] <twb> It's a red flag for me
[07:29] <twb> Not necessarily enough to shitcan it, e.g. I still run ISC (vixie) cron
[07:29] <twb> And ntpd
[07:29] <chiggins> ISC?
[07:30] <twb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Systems_Consortium
[07:30] <twb> They make reference implementations of internet software
[07:30] <twb> (As in, software that the internet runs on, not the other way around)
[07:31] <chiggins> Ah I gotcha
[08:45] <jamespage> morning all
[08:49] <_ruben> g'day
[08:51] <ttx> jamespage: morning, and happy new year
[08:51] <jamespage> ttx: happy new year to you as well!
[08:51] <jamespage> morning _ruben
[09:54] <koolhead11> hi all
[09:54]  * koolhead11 wonders is people are finally back from holiday hangover :D
[09:54] <mhubig> Hello together, I need some advice: I want to restructure the IT in the small company I work for into a cloud. Now I have found a possible solution with two XenServer and three GlusterFS Servers. But I really like the idea of the Ubuntu Cloud Infrastructure. Now my question is if the Ubuntu Cloud Infrastructure is capable of running on "just" 5 servers?
[09:55] <koolhead11> mhubig: i would say yes!! :)
[10:00] <mhubig> koolhead11: But the docu says I need at least 5 servers for storage …
[10:01] <koolhead11> mhubig: i would simply suggest you to ask the question in mailing list
[10:01] <uksysadmin> happy new year y'all
[10:02] <koolhead11> hola uksysadmin
[10:03] <uksysadmin> how's koolhead11 ?
[10:03] <koolhead11> rocking!! :D
[10:03] <uksysadmin> awesome
[11:33] <jamespage> smb: around? seeing lots of kernel oops on the latest precise ec2 images
[11:37] <smb> jamespage, yes around. can you provide, point to more specific data?
[11:40]  * smb wonders whether he had been providing a change to make precise bootable at all already... The holiday season somewhat blurred the memory
[11:50] <smb> Ah, 3.2.0-7.13 already contains the revert from upstream...
 oops
[11:51]  * smb takes back the oops... that was for the wrong tab he wrote the line before... dammit cut and paste
[11:51] <jamespage> smb: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Precise%20ISO%20Testing%20Dashboard/view/Daily/job/precise-server-ec2-daily/ARCH=i386,REGION=eu-west-1,STORAGE=ebs,label=ubuntu-server-ec2-testing/29/artifact/None/i386/m1.small/ebs/i-2c54ca65/uec2-20120103-0416-9326cb93108049-terminated.console.txt/*view*/
[11:52] <jamespage> that contains the actual oops message
[11:52] <jamespage> they all appear to die in the same place :-)
[11:53] <jamespage> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Precise%20ISO%20Testing%20Dashboard/view/Daily/job/precise-server-ec2-daily/
[11:53] <jamespage> although some do boot (odd)
[11:53] <smb> jamespage, Ok, thanks. Hm, something bad with setting some timer...
[11:58] <smb> jamespage, Interestingly not all of them seem failed... Err, I seem to get lost trying to move from the dashboard bullets to actual dmesgs... is there a simple path to follow that I miss?
[11:59] <smb> oh... think I got it
[12:00] <smb> some build and then console output...
[12:04] <jamespage> smb: you have to look at the build artifacts for the failed tests
[12:05] <jamespage> so clicking a red icon; then selecting the last failed built from the LHS of the screen; then click 'Build Artifacts' in the center of the screen and drill down to the console.txt files
[12:05] <jamespage> (far to many clicks)
[12:14] <smb> jamespage, Ok, thanks. Got to it now. So at least I found one case where it happened with a 3.4.3 Xen as well. So there is a chance I should be able to get the same on a local test system.
[12:14] <jamespage> smb: great - do you want me to raise a bug report for this?
[12:15] <smb> Yes, please. Then we got a place to track things.
[12:15] <smb> At least it seems to be quite likely... Not like these after a day of doing work things...
[12:16] <Ursinha> good morning :)
[12:23] <jamespage> smb: bug 911204
[12:24] <jamespage> morning Ursinha - happy new year!
[12:24] <RoyK> happy new year, all :)
[12:29] <Ursinha> jamespage: happy new year! :)
[12:59] <zul> heylo
[13:51] <daff> I am trying to preseed an installation of Ubuntu 10.04.3 but the debian-installer keeps ignoring the pre-answered questions for mirror/country
[13:51] <daff> how can I debug this?
[13:52] <daff> after dhcp configuration is complete I keep getting asked to select a mirror
[13:56] <koolhead17> hola zul
[13:56]  * koolhead17 wishes every one happy new year!! :)
[13:57] <koolhead17> daff: are you sure your preseed file is correct
[13:57] <koolhead17> ?
[13:57] <koolhead17> !cobbler
[13:58] <koolhead17> daff: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cobbler/Preseed
[14:01] <Error404NotFound> How can i configure the from email address that cron would use to send any output as email? i know MAILTO, MAILFROM doesn't seem to work.
[14:04] <Error404NotFound> man 5 crontab only tells about MAILTO
[14:06] <daff> Error404NotFound: the From: address in the mail headers is based on the user whose crontab is run
[14:16] <daff> koolhead17: my preseed file was correct, but the server did not serve it correctly :)
[14:16] <daff> it was essentially empty, but appeared to have been retrieved correctly (HTTP 200 and all), so d-i used it
[14:16] <koolhead17> daff: you mean DHCP/cobbler was not correctly configured
[14:17] <daff> Foreman in my case, yes
[14:20] <koolhead17> daff: so was there some bug in Foreman?
[14:20]  * koolhead17 is not aware of Foreman
[14:34] <daff> koolhead17: yes and no, a permission problem prevented the provisioning process from running correctly, but that wasn't obvious until I looked into the preseed file that was actually downloaded
[14:38] <ppetraki> hallyn, I plan to look at that libvirt/lvm bug later today, still catching up on email
[14:39] <koolhead17> daff: it be cool to file a bug then :)
[14:41] <hallyn> ppetraki: cool, thanks.
[15:50] <raubvogel> In nfsv4, how do I define the global root (using terminology from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NFSv4Howto)?
[15:53] <pmatulis> raubvogel: it is user/administrator defined.  maybe i misunderstand you
[15:54] <raubvogel> pmatulis: from what I understand, v4 defines a root dir for NFS. So, if it is /export and you have a /export/moose, you mount it by saying mount fileserver:/moose.
[15:55] <raubvogel> How do you define /export as the nfs root or is it understood?
[15:55] <pmatulis> raubvogel: the latter.  you could also just try
[15:56] <raubvogel> pmatulis: in my case I am trying to mount the share in a windows box
[15:56] <raubvogel> can mount it as nfsv3 but am having issues mounting as nfsv4
[15:56] <raubvogel> and am trying to go down on the list of possible issues
[15:56] <pmatulis> raubvogel: i would first test with a linux client
[15:57] <pmatulis> raubvogel: i have never used (any version) nfs with 'doze
[15:57] <raubvogel> pmatulis: if you picture extreme suckyness, you are not even close ;)
[15:57] <zul> hallyn: you are running the meeting today arent you?
[15:57] <Daviey> utlemming: will you be chairing?
[15:58] <hallyn> zul: yes i am
[15:58] <hallyn> Daviey: utlemming did 2 meetings ago
[15:58] <pmatulis> raubvogel: obviously the 'doze client needs to support v4.  did you confirm that?
[15:58] <hallyn> i'll straighten out the order in the mtg page
[15:58] <utlemming> :)
[15:58] <Daviey> ahh, cool -thanks hallyn
[15:59] <raubvogel> Company claims it is the case; I am trying to validate it
[15:59] <pmatulis> raubvogel: you're using WSFU?
[15:59] <Daviey> hallyn: so is it SpamapS ?
[16:00] <raubvogel> nope. Hummingbird/opentext. Because it does kerberos and it seems the WSFU does not
[16:00] <pmatulis> Daviey: sent you an email
[16:00] <pmatulis> raubvogel: ah.  haven't used humingbird in donkey's years
[16:02] <raubvogel> Lucky you
[16:03] <raubvogel> One of the issues it seems is that they made it be more in the Solaris flavour of nfs than the linux one
[16:03] <pmatulis> raubvogel: can't you just, like, have a drone roam the office and obliterate the 'doze boxes one by one?
[16:04] <raubvogel> pmatulis: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NFSv4 seems to answer my root question
[16:04] <raubvogel> pmatulis: with a Lee Enfield?
[16:06] <pmatulis> raubvogel: a little raw, but yeah
[16:11] <pmatulis> raubvogel: fyi, i have never needed to mount the root
[16:12] <raubvogel> Me neither. The hummingbird people suggested me to setup the root in the solaris way to see if that will allow me to mount as a v4 instead of v3.
[16:16]  * pmatulis can't believe that any responsible software maker these days would cater to solaris at the expense of linux
[16:17] <raubvogel> I agree completely. And I do like Solaris. Oracle on the other hand...
[16:18] <pmatulis> 'xactly , and does oracle even support hp machinery anymore?
[16:19] <pmatulis> they dropped support for something i seem to recall
[16:19] <pmatulis> or maybe they just charge a whole lot more
[16:39] <rbasak> mdeslaur: ping
[16:40] <koolhead17> lynxman: sir
[16:43] <mdeslaur> rbasak: yes?
[16:44] <rbasak> mdeslaur: hey, regarding bug 858878 - it's a bit confusing - I prepared an update for -security but RoAkSoAx spoke to you about doing a PPA build before christmas?
[16:47] <mdeslaur> rbasak: I've subscribed ubuntu-security-sponsors. tyhicks is on community duty this week, so he'll look at it and upload it. Thanks!
[16:47] <rbasak> mdeslaur: aha, thanks. I was unaware of that team.
[16:48] <mdeslaur> rbasak: np, thanks!
[16:52] <RoAkSoAx> adam_g: pinn
[16:52] <RoAkSoAx> adam_g: bug #908895
[16:53] <RoAkSoAx> adam_g: are you manually setting the hostname to precise-x86_64 or something? or is it being done automatically?
[16:54] <adam_g> RoAkSoAx: if im installing a non-juju profile, during installation the hostname 'precise-x86_64' is automatically assigned to the node during installation, or at least attempted. d-i fails as its an invalid hostname
[16:56] <RoAkSoAx> adam_g: right, though, orchestra doesn't really set the hostname automatically, so there's maybe something done differently in cobbler to automatically assign a hostname
[16:57] <adam_g> RoAkSoAx: from what i could tell, it was inherited from the profile name. renaming the to something like precise-x86-64 fixed the issue
[16:58] <RoAkSoAx> adam_g: yeah, that's why I'
[16:59] <RoAkSoAx> adam_g: right, but the preseed doesn't really set the hostname
[16:59] <RoAkSoAx> adam_g: but it's set in the kernel parameters
[17:00] <adam_g> RoAkSoAx: *shrug* im not sure how thats set, but using "_" wherever it is set (during iso import / profile creation) needs to change
[17:00] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: hmm
[17:01] <Daviey> We ARE looking for automatic hostname generation as a fallback
[17:01] <RoAkSoAx> adam_g: the _ is set by cobbler automatically for the profiles
[17:01] <RoAkSoAx> adam_g: what should change should be "inheriting" the hostname from the profile name
[17:01] <adam_g> Daviey: for enlisted machines, i was attempting to boot a new machine that hasn't been enlisted, and choose a profile manually from the boot menu
[17:01] <Daviey> i wold say that should be done in enlistment/
[17:01] <RoAkSoAx> adam_g: cause, as far as I can remember, that wasn't happening before, so it might be a new feature
[17:02] <Daviey> ahhh
[17:05] <RoAkSoAx> adam_g: or simply replace the _ with - unless, it used to happen that way and now it's broken
[18:00] <zul> rbasak: ping are you still worknig on those horizon bugs?
[18:01] <rbasak> zul: yes - I've done most of the lintian fixes but have been slowed down by the embedded jquery one. While you're asking - what's would be the quickest/easiest way to test the jquery functionality?
[18:02] <zul> rbasak: because im cleaning things up getting ready for the MIR
[18:03] <zul> and it was on my list of cleanup
[18:03] <zul> what jquery functionality?
[18:08] <rbasak> zul: I can send you what I have so far if you like? jquery functionality as in http://lintian.debian.org/tags/embedded-javascript-library.html - I've depended on libjs-jquery{,-ui,etc} and had just changed the path in the template
[18:08] <zul> k sure if you want to do that
[18:09] <rbasak> Is a patch series out of git OK?
[18:10] <zul> rbasak: yep
[18:10] <rbasak> zul: http://paste.ubuntu.com/791935/
[18:11] <rbasak> zul: lintian is bug 899427 and apache reload 905527
[18:11] <zul> rbasak: cool thanks
[18:12] <rbasak> zul: also I have a suspicion that debclean doesn't work due to s/override_dh_auto-clean/override_dh_auto_clean/ in debian/rules maybe but I hadn't looked at it yet
[18:12] <rbasak> I've not put the bugs in the changelog message yet
[18:12] <zul> rbasak: k ill take a look
[18:13] <rbasak> zul: shall I hand it back to you and unassign myself for now? I don't want to hold up your MIR
[18:13] <zul> rbasak: nah when ill upload it will close the bugs
[18:14] <rbasak> zul: ok but just to check you don't expect me to be doing anything more with these bugs then? I'm happy to, just want to make sure that we don't both expect the other to be doing it :)
[18:15] <zul> rbasak: right i dont expect you to be anything more with those bugs
[18:15] <rbasak> zul: cool, thanks
[18:17] <zul> rbasak: the apache stuff isnt in that patch
[18:17] <rbasak> zul: no I hadn't got that far
[18:17] <zul> k
[18:18]  * rbasak spent a while today reading debian policy to work out what to do about the jquery thing
[18:51] <SpamapS> rbasak: which jquery thing?
[18:52] <SpamapS> rbasak: I ran into a pretty nasty problem with Wordpress and jquery being out of sync on what API version to expect.
[18:52] <rbasak> SpamapS: horizon made lintian complain about http://lintian.debian.org/tags/embedded-javascript-library.html because upstream embeds jquery and related rather than using libjs-jquery et al
[18:52] <rbasak> SpamapS: ah. I was hoping it would be OK
[18:53] <SpamapS> rbasak: you're allowed to embed it if the API is different.
[18:53] <rbasak> SpamapS: well that would make things easier. Just a lintian override instead of all this messing about :)
[18:53] <SpamapS> rbasak: otherwise you need to replace the embedded file with a symlink to the jquery on disk.
[18:53] <SpamapS> rbasak: err .. s/on disk/in the package/
[18:54] <rbasak> ah. I was going to change the template to point to a different URL, but a symlink would be easier and less invasive, thanks :)
[18:54] <rbasak> although zul is doing it now
[18:55] <SpamapS> just make sure they're the same API version.
[18:55] <SpamapS> Its *hell* if they're not.. javascript doesn't exactly fail at compile time. ;)
[19:02] <zul> js is fun
[19:03] <zul> RoAkSoAx: ping have you actually powered on systems with cobbler?
[19:42] <RoAkSoAx> zul: yes
[19:43] <RoAkSoAx> zul: we have the openstack qa lab working that way
[19:43] <zul> RoakSoAx: ok sweet
[19:43] <RoAkSoAx> zul: I had to write a fence-agent for the power device there though
[19:45] <zul> RoakSoAx: how do you configure it?
[19:46] <RoAkSoAx> zul: its already configured isnt it?
[19:47] <zul> RoakSoAx: no i want to know how you configure cobbler to do it
[19:47] <RoAkSoAx> zul: sudo cobbler system edit --name <system name> --power-user=<user> --power-pass=<pass> --power-id=<id on power device> --power-address=<power device address> --power-type=sentryswitch_cdu
[19:47] <RoAkSoAx> fence_cdu -a <IP or host> -n <id on power device> -l <user> -p <pass> -o <action: on|off|status>
[19:48] <zul> RoakSoAx: cool thanks
[21:47] <mgw> anybody here familiar with isc dhcp?
[21:48] <mgw> especialy dhcrelay
[21:48] <guntbert> !anyone | mgw applies here too
[21:49] <mgw> sorry...
[21:50] <guntbert> mgw: no need to apology, just ask your question and prepare for patience :)
[21:51] <mgw> I'm having trouble getting dhcrelay to work…. as a test, i have dhcrelay listening on two vlans, relaying to an ip on one of them
[21:51] <mgw> and dhcpd is listening on that single interface
[21:51] <mgw> dhcrelay logs that it is relaying the packets, but tcpdump does not see anything
[21:51] <mgw> only the original inbound request
[21:51] <mgw> (discover)
[21:52] <mgw> tick tock… tick tock…. patience engaging….
[22:41] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: ping?
[22:41] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: pong
[22:41] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: duuude how' it going
[22:42] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: hey did you happen to find a bug in byobu where it goes nuts when running byobu under another byobu session?
[22:42] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: hmm, i haven't;  but i don't do that often
[22:42] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: is this tmux or screen, or both?
[22:43] <Troy_> quick question for home server and i want to have the ability to launch a gui such as xfce. should i install ubuntu-server on the machine and then install xubuntu-desktop or install xubuntu and add server software/packages?
[22:43] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: i was first running byobu screen, then upgraded and defaulted to tmux. Then by mistake con win 0 i run byobu and it just went completely nuts
[22:43] <Patrickdk> troy, same diff
[22:44] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx_: ugh, yeah, i just reproduced that
[22:44] <RoAkSoAx_> kirkland: yeah it happens when running byobu tmux under a byobu screen
[22:44] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx_: can you open a high bug?
[22:45] <RoAkSoAx_> kirkland: sure ;)
[22:45] <RoAkSoAx_> kirkland: did you reproduce this in precise?
[22:45] <RoAkSoAx_> kirkland: i had it on lucid
[22:45] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx_: yep
[22:45] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx_: i just need to guard against an infinite loop there
[22:47] <RoAkSoAx_> kirkland: happy new year btw!!
[22:48] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: you too, buddy!
[22:48] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: good to hear from you
[22:49] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: indeed!! how's downtown austin treating ya?
[22:49] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: loving it, actually
[22:50] <kirkland> kirkland: it's fun being downtown
[22:51] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: i bet! I actually was looking into moving to austin but I think I'm gonna stay here for a little longer
[22:51] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: aw, come on over man
[22:51] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: you'd have a blast over here :-)
[22:53] <osmosis> to use python pip or not to use python pip
[22:54] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland yeah i'd love too but if i start studying again its gonna be more cost efficient fpr me here
[23:03] <hallyn> kirkland: i'll need to check out your hq one day!
[23:07] <kirkland> hallyn: yeah, come on down sometime
[23:07] <kirkland> hallyn: do you find yourself downtown ever?
[23:08] <hallyn> kirkland: not too much lately, unless we need somethig from that whole foods or feel an urge to eat at chez nous
[23:08] <hallyn> but maybe i'll find a reason in february
[23:08] <kirkland> hallyn: well drop by, we're right next to that whole foods
[23:09] <hallyn> will do :)
[23:09] <mgw> roaksoax, spamaps, et al… you always have good answers… do you have any ideas about the question i posed earlier regarding dhcrelay?
[23:09] <hallyn> kirkland: oh hey, has anyone ever signed up to write the userspace ecryptfs file reader?
[23:09] <kirkland> hallyn: you!
[23:10] <kirkland> hallyn: would love to see that
[23:10] <hallyn> maybe.  would like it on my phone.
[23:11] <hallyn> but, i also have a compiz plugin or two to write :)
[23:12] <hallyn> (shiny)
[23:20] <pythonirc101> Anyone knows why my scp is getting stuck --  http://pbin.be/show/344/ -- It gets stuck at 0%?
[23:44] <aarcane_> is there a "proper" way to use vmbuilder on natty to build an oneiric VM ?
[23:46] <SpamapS> aarcane_: are you seeing a failure when trying to do so?
[23:47] <aarcane_> SpamapS, I saw several failures, and managed to work around them.
[23:47] <SpamapS> aarcane_: note that the cloud images should boot fine w/ kvm.. https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/