[00:07] <Circe> I have been impressed with everything so far!
[00:29]  * lns just wanted to see if there was a central issue regarding gutsy -> hardy upgrade and "Internal Error - Failed to initialize HAL", plus "Gnome-settings-daemon" crashes upon login (logging in via VNC, but don't think that should matter.. ? )
[02:04] <Cyndre> Simple question - does anyone have a torrent link for the desktop cd, or am I faced to suffer 30 kb/s download speeds?
[02:06] <Circe> torrent.ubuntu.com
[02:07] <Circe> there is some more to the address.
[02:07] <Circe> I usually google "ubuntu torrents"
[02:08] <Circe> the quickest method is get the desktop ubuntu torrent and the edubuntu add on torrent.
[02:10] <Circe> here is the address for all the torrents... torrent.ubuntu.com/6969/
[02:11] <Circe> I had 1mb/s on both the desktop distro and the addon cd
[02:12] <Cyndre> ty circe, setting up a spare comp for the kids
[02:14] <Circe> same here, I am a school teacher setting up donated hardware in my classroom. Using edubuntu because for the kids!
[02:16] <Cyndre> Circle: dual xeon 1.7 ghz 2 gigs of ram - should run nice?
[02:17] <Cyndre> Circle: Was just getting 1.5 Mb/s then it dropped to a third
[02:19] <Circe> yeah def. my edubuntu install is dual core 1.6 ghz with 1 gig of ram. Runs like a charm. Full desktop effects.
[02:19] <Circe> it flucuated for me as well.
[02:20] <Circe> the add on cd took longer than the regular distro. I think because more people are seeding the distro then the add on.
[02:20] <Cyndre> Circe: Not as nice as yours, (old school dual cpu xeon)
[02:20] <Cyndre> Circe: got the add on alread
[02:22] <Circe> mine is a cheapo Acer that could not run Vista. I wiped the drive and installed Ubuntu. Can't believe how much more the computer can do now!
[02:23] <Circe> nice.  Which ubuntu torrent did you choose?
[02:23] <Cyndre> Desktop, 8.04
[02:24] <Circe> the quickest for me was the i386 desktop cd 8.04. I must of had 120 seeders.
[02:24] <Circe> what torrent client are you using?
[02:26] <Circe> I use transmission.
[02:26] <Circe> I find it to be lightweight and straight forward.
[02:26] <Circe> uTorrent and Azureus are more popular I believe.
[02:28] <Guest3883536> hmmm
[02:28] <Guest3883536> that was wierd
[02:28] <Guest3883536> ahhh - hitting 2 mb/s download right now
[02:28] <Circe> what happened?
[02:29] <Circe> it should be done any minute then.
[02:29] <Guest3883536> 30 seconds
[02:30] <Cyndre> yay done
[02:30] <Circe> when I had those speeds I went ahead and snagged the DVD as well. 3 gigs but has some more apps on it.
[02:30] <Circe> nice
[02:30] <Cyndre> I can't believe I used to wait 3 days for 700 megs before
[02:31] <Circe> LOL. Now you can be done in minutes.
[02:33] <Circe> are you installing on a desktop or laptop?
[02:33] <Cyndre> desktop
[02:37] <Cyndre> so much for that plan :( no blank cd roms - have 100 or so blank dvds dammit
[07:06] <kwak> is there a linux software that is like Adobe Visual COmmunicator or Varasoftware VideoCur
[07:06] <kwak> Video Cue
[07:59] <bimberi> !hi
[11:16] <RichEd> hi ogra ... you around & about & feeling better today ?
[11:19] <stgraber> what time is today's meeting ?
[11:21] <RichEd> stgraber: i'm in a sprint ... so I won't be in the meeting ... you'll need to check with ogra
[11:21] <stgraber> isn't ogra at Linuxtag in Berlin ?
[15:39] <ogra> stgraber, RichEd, i have slight fever and stayed in bed most of the day, feeling a bit better now but surely not in the condition to run meetings
[15:41] <RichEd-2> ogra: np ... what time was the meeting meant to be ?
[15:42]  * RichEd-2 is in the commercial sprint all day & into the evening
[15:48] <highvoltage> omg, what happened to RichEd-1!? has he been replaced?
[15:49] <johnny> no. incremented
[15:49] <johnny> he's +1 good now
[15:51] <highvoltage> ah, shew. that's fine then.
[15:57]  * RichEd-2 the bot marvels at the wit & wisdom of the humanoids
[16:17] <RichEd-2> and ... RichEd-2 woul,
[16:17] <RichEd-2> oops
[16:18] <RichEd-2> and ... RichEd-2 would in fact by RichEd-1 decremented no ?
[16:28] <OculusAquilae> hi
[16:28] <OculusAquilae> How ist the KDE-Version of Edubuntu going?
[16:46] <RichEd-2> OculusAquilae:  ? what do you mean by that ?
[16:48] <OculusAquilae> RichEd-2: Are storage devices on the thin clients shown in the dolphin device list?
[16:49] <RichEd-2> if you are using KDE, then you would be able to insert add/remove any or all of the education applications onto your system
[16:49] <OculusAquilae> In 7.10 they are only mounted to /media/$USER
[16:49] <OculusAquilae> LTSP
[16:49] <OculusAquilae> is the problem
[16:53] <ogra> OculusAquilae, not until KDE gets fixed to monitor /media properly
[16:54] <OculusAquilae> ogra: ???
[16:54] <ogra> there are hacks floating around to put links on your desktop while thats a very nasty way of doing it and wouldnt be accepted as upstream default, you can use it as workaround
[16:54] <OculusAquilae> ogra: kde displays file systems depending on hal I think
[16:54] <ogra> OculusAquilae, ltspfs doesnt use hal
[16:54] <ogra> it relies on the desktop to monitor /media
[16:55] <ogra> which xfce and gnome do well
[16:55] <OculusAquilae> ogra: on gnome there are hacks
[16:55] <RichEd-2> you'd need to check with ogra or riddel on that level of detail
[16:56] <ogra> RichEd, its simply that KDE is the only desktop not monitoring that dir ...
[16:57] <OculusAquilae> ogra: Isn't gnome using such a ubuntu-specific hack itself
[16:57] <ogra> no
[16:58] <ogra> gnome uses gvfs and did use gnome-vfs before
[16:58] <ogra> which both simply use inotify of teh kernel for monitoring /media
[16:58] <OculusAquilae> ogra: ok
[16:59] <OculusAquilae> ogra: and there is no possibility to let it be done by kde like this?
[16:59] <ogra> anyway, i think debian added an lts.conf option, and the link code (just saw that there) i'll see that we can get it into 8.10
[17:00] <ogra> well, the KDE backend would have to do the same but as i was told it acts on an abstract layer way abouve what gnome-vfs or gvfs do
[17:00] <ogra> so thats apparently not easily possible
[17:00] <OculusAquilae> ogra: so, you suppose to choose another distro?
[17:01] <ogra> my idea was to rewrite ltspfs to use faked hal devices, but thats still in its early stages and i dont have much time anymore for ltsp development at all
[17:01] <ogra> OculusAquilae, ???
[17:01] <ogra> what would another distro change here ?
[17:01] <OculusAquilae> ogra: perhaps they solved this problem
[17:01] <ogra> they wont have a different KDE and still the same ltsp
[17:01] <OculusAquilae> I could at least try
[17:02] <OculusAquilae> ogra: you said that debian had something like this
[17:02] <ogra> sure try what you like, fedora has just released a very basic implementation of ltsp with fc9 (their first attempt)
[17:02] <OculusAquilae> would it be possible to do this on debian
[17:02] <ogra> debian has the same LTSP and KDE packages
[17:03] <ogra> but they added the five line hack to add links on user desktops
[17:03] <OculusAquilae> ok
[17:03] <ogra> its a trivial handfull of python code you can add to ltspfsmounter
[17:03] <ogra> (i guess yu can even do it in one line if you hardcode it)
[17:03] <OculusAquilae> why not doing this for ubuntu too?
[17:04] <OculusAquilae> The problem is that I don't want to provide security updates myself
[17:04] <ogra> because we dont add lnks to devices on desktops if there is a volume management backend doing that better ... i like to not hack around stuff but fix it
[17:05] <ogra> use dpkg-divert on /usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter to prevent your thing from being overwritten
[17:05] <ogra> anyway, as i said we'll add hist code for the lts.conf option to the 8.10 ltspfs
[17:05] <OculusAquilae> ogra: thanks for the information
[17:06] <OculusAquilae> ogra: is it in debian stable?
[17:06] <ogra> oh, and indeed you need debian unstable for these hacks ... that wont get you into the problem of caring for security updates :P
[17:06] <ogra> its pretty new hackish code
[17:06] <OculusAquilae> unstable, hm
[17:08] <OculusAquilae> ogra: do you know if it is in ltsp-server ?
[17:08] <ogra> no
[17:08] <ogra> it is in ltspfs
[17:09] <OculusAquilae> thanks
[17:09] <ogra> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltspfs/ltspfs-trunk/annotate/vagrant%40freegeek.org-20080302225903-rmrn56huy46yyuwf?start_revid=wtogami%40redhat.com-20080428224302-dkxj5o7wkmjvmh50&file_id=kdedesktopicons-20080302225737-q6d8ttvp6y7nfi4a-2
[17:09] <ogra> thats the code
[17:10] <OculusAquilae> thanks
[17:13] <OculusAquilae> ogra: This code will be executed automatically by ltspfs?
[17:13] <OculusAquilae> in /etc/ltspfs/mounter.d ?
[17:13] <ogra> no idea, i havent used it yet, it smells like you also need support for ltspfs.d or so
[17:14] <ogra> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltspfs/ltspfs-trunk/revision/vagrant%40freegeek.org-20080302080458-7hthsgddljqju2x8?start_revid=wtogami%40redhat.com-20080428224302-dkxj5o7wkmjvmh50
[17:14] <ogra> seems to be that snippet
[17:14] <ogra> i'D really just add an ln command to ltspfsmounter
[17:14] <ogra> its hackish anyway
[17:15] <ogra> link on "ltspfsmounter add" rm on "ltspfsmounter remove/cleanup"
[17:15] <ogra> two lines
[17:17] <OculusAquilae> hm
[17:20] <OculusAquilae> I'll look at it
[17:22] <ogra> note that neither the patch nor just adding links will give you proper device icons
[17:22] <ogra> tehy are linked folders
[17:23] <OculusAquilae> ogra: better than 15 children not finding their cds
[17:25] <ogra> well, you could generally put a link to /media/$USER on their deesktops ... a non dynamic one and give it  descriptive name
[17:25] <ogra> *a descriptive
[17:26] <OculusAquilae> that's right, we thought about this possibility
[17:27] <ogra> best would indeed be if all desktops would use the same way for handling devices :)
[17:27] <ogra> but i didnt find any open ear in the KDE community yet
[17:28] <OculusAquilae> ogra: why doesn't gnome use the kde way would be a possibility
[17:28] <ogra> especially since all devs are busy getting 4.0 into usable shape
[17:28] <ogra> because there are more desktops using the gnome way ... its a matter of amount of changes you hae to do in different places
[17:29] <OculusAquilae> ogra: I am using 4.0.4
[17:29] <ogra> the 4.0 rewrite would have been the perfect opportunity to unify here
[17:29] <OculusAquilae> that could be right
[17:29] <ogra> my personal main target is using hal for ltspfs anyway though ... as i said above
[17:30] <ogra> but i have approximately 2-3h a week left to work on ltsp which mostly just goes into basic fixes
[17:30] <OculusAquilae> ogra: then it would work on kde too?
[17:30] <ogra> and reimplementing ltspfs will take more
[17:31] <ogra> well, then you would see something like that http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ltspfs-hal-root.png
[17:31] <ogra> with all devices being added as fake blockdevices in hal
[17:31] <ogra> thats using a way higher level then the kernel inotify mechanism
[17:31] <ogra> and afaik KDE listens to hal for its devices
[17:32] <ogra> (that might have changed with 4.x as well, the last time i actually touched KDE personally was around 1.2 ... but thats the info i got from KDE folks)
[17:33] <OculusAquilae> ok
[17:34] <ogra> my persona ocus simply isnt on KDe integration and unless someone from a KDE dev crew steps up to help out we wont solve the prob other than switching to the hal method i think
[17:34] <ogra> *personal focus
[17:36] <ogra> ... or hack around it like with adding links to user desktops which wil get funny if your client just crashed once and the link wasnt removed
[17:36] <ogra> (or if the user didnt log out properly etc)
[17:37] <OculusAquilae> right, another problem
[17:38] <OculusAquilae> I think hal would be a good thing to use
[17:39] <ogra> right, but requires extra time i dont have .... and nobody else is working on that stuff ... debian prefers to add the hacks it seems so we waste manpower on workarounds that would better have been invested in doing the real fix ... but well, you cant tell volunteers where to invest their time :)
[17:39] <ogra> and its stil better than nothing apparently
[17:41] <OculusAquilae> Isn't it possible to write such a script for ltspfs to broadcast device information via hal
[17:42] <ogra> well, thats essentially what my change does ... but it has to happen in the suid binary which needs detailed auditing to not introduce security holes
[17:43] <ogra> the screenshot you saw essentially calls hal-add-device with the right parameters from the suid binary of ltspfs (lbmounter)
[17:43] <ogra> err lbmount
[17:43] <ogra> its not easy to get right if you dont want all the code in the suid bit
[17:44] <OculusAquilae> hm right
[17:44] <ogra> lbmount is already 300 lines of C .... i dont want to make it 1500
[17:45] <ogra> ese the security team will kill me to have to audit it for every release
[17:45] <ogra> *else
[17:47] <OculusAquilae> :)
[17:47] <ogra> we'll get there eventually :)
[17:47] <ogra> plans and ideas are there ... its just a matter of time
[17:48] <ogra> (and sadly i'm hogged with business stuff since 8.04 which limits my time to work on extra stuff like ltsp, but i'm confident someone will step up to help if i dont make it at some point)
[17:50] <ogra> RichEd, btw, did you see adams mail ? i really wonder why we talked for days about all these issues, seems he didnt understand that 8.04 is done and over
[17:50] <RichEd> ogra: let me check now ... been in meetings all day]
[17:51] <ogra> ah
[17:51] <ogra> i answered already but t seems to me that he didnt understand much of what we discussed about and agreed on
[19:43] <OculusAquilae> ogra: Thanks that you helped me to understand the situation. I wrote an email to our deciders with this information.
[20:16] <monteslu_> did something with jetpipe change recently that requires authentication or anything like that?
[20:20] <monteslu_> my lts.conf is bad
[20:20] <monteslu_> isn't # the comment character?
[20:21] <monteslu_> I'm getting a syntax error on  a commented line
[20:33] <johnny> don't think you can have comments inside the [default]
[20:33] <johnny> or in any other []
[20:33] <johnny> only at the top perhaps
[20:34] <monteslu_> think that's right
[20:34] <monteslu_> took out the comments on individual clients and its good now
[20:34] <monteslu_> should file that as a bug :)
[20:34] <monteslu_> thanks
[20:39] <moquist> ogra: ping
[21:20] <monteslu> moquist, you still doing smbldap things?
[21:20] <monteslu> summer's coming and its time for me to rebuild my smbldap server :)
[21:21] <monteslu> fedora 5 worked well, but its four versions old now
[21:21] <moquist> hi there
[21:21] <moquist> yep, I'll get hardy working before the summer is out
[21:21] <monteslu> would like to base it on centos or ubuntu lts this time
[21:21] <monteslu> sweet
[21:21] <moquist> But seriously, if you don't have a reason to upgrade your LDAP server, don't.
[21:21] <monteslu> well, its a little flaky
[21:22] <monteslu> i've had to do database recovers on just about every reboot
[21:22] <moquist> Hardy *may* be better, then.
[21:22] <moquist> Maybe.
[21:22] <monteslu> centos 5 is my current favorite in server OS's, but whatever you want to build a script for works for me :)


[03:02] <qwer> anyone here know a crapload about linux drivers?
[03:02] <qwer> I'm fairly knowledgeable, but I've a problem that no on in any other channel has been able to help me solve for about 2 weeks
[03:02] <qwer> anyway, I'll just tell the story, mysteriously ubuntu 10.04 detects the sata_mv driver properly - as well as an old slackware install cd - I've tried about a dozen recent and current distros though - and even after mod probing sata_mv -> no block devices found.......I've no idea how to continue troubleshooting - I've messed with udevadm, modprobe, etc
[03:13] <qwer> this has taken many hours out of my life, so I'd be happy to paypal anyone money if they help me fix it
[03:14] <jk-> so 10.4 does work?
[03:15] <jk-> (and what sata controller(s) do you have?)
[03:19] <qwer> this is the hercules II by Marvell, supposedly great linux support, uses sata_mv kernel module
[03:19] <jk-> so you have the module loaded, but no block devices?
[03:20] <jk-> (and could you paste the output of: lspci -n | grep 11ab
[03:21] <qwer> okay let me boot and try again
[03:23] <qwer> you want me to do this with one that is working, or the huge majority that arent?
[03:23] <jk-> well, what are you trying to do? :)
[03:24] <jk-> (get 9.10 working? or something else?)
[03:24] <qwer> 43:01.0 0100: 11ab:6081 (rev 09)
[03:24] <qwer> I'm just trying to install, but none of the distros that will install recognize my hardware/show block devices/modprobe sata_mv, etc
[03:25] <qwer> 42:01* sorry
[03:25] <jk-> so you're not keen just to install 10.4 ?
[03:25] <qwer> it barely works
[03:25] <qwer> and I'm not going to be using on the server anyway
[03:25] <jk-> ok
[03:25] <qwer> I just have no idea why it works
[03:25] <qwer> I'd love to figure that out, as I've been trying to get this computer (a box that needs this controller to see disksS) to work for weeks
[03:26] <jk-> so what are you planning to install on this?
[03:26] <qwer> arch
[03:26] <qwer> does it matter?
[03:27] <qwer> you have any ideas?
[03:27] <qwer> I'll install whatever you want if you can get something to install
[03:28] <lifeless> qwer: install 10.4 then :) it works
[03:28] <qwer> not really, too beta, lots of other problems, this is a server, I don't know WHY it works, same could be said for the fairly old slack disks that for some reason sees/configures the sata properly too
[03:29] <jk-> looks like that device has been supported for quite a while; most recent distros should have it
[03:29] <qwer> indeed, I've read all about that - supposedly awesome linux support - that is why I paid another 100 dollars for a sata controller after the first had terrible support
[03:30] <qwer> I've done a crap load of troubleshooting, maybe if you can aide me with a bit more, I can find out why it isnt
[03:30] <jk-> so maybe boot 9.10, wait 'till it drops to the initramfs shell and we can do some digging
[03:30] <qwer> I've been digging for weeks, im stuck
[03:30] <RAOF> You could also pass “break=mount” to the kernel command line.
[03:30] <qwer> did that lspci give you any ideas?
[03:30] <RAOF> If it works in Lucid, does it work in all new kernels?
[03:30] <jk-> it just tells me which device you have
[03:31] <qwer> is that the same as hercules II sata controller?
[03:31] <jk-> no idea about the names
[03:31] <qwer> oh, what is 11ab then?
[03:31] <jk-> marvell's vendor ID
[03:31] <qwer> oh
[03:31] <qwer> well give me some other stuff you want readouts on, maybe it will give you some ideas
[03:32] <jk-> would be good to get it booted to a shell on a broken system
[03:33] <qwer> i am
[03:33] <qwer> thats how i got that readout, heh
[03:34] <jk-> so `ls /sys/block/` gives nothing?
[03:52] <qwer> omfg, it might have started to work for no reason at all, maybe the hardware is flakey - I'm checking a few things (amazing since I've been messing with this for weeks)
[03:57] <qwer> k, I rebooted and tried the 64bit kernel, now there's no 11ab, hopefully it wasn't a fluke and the 32 sees it again
[03:58] <qwer> bam, the 32bit kernel works - wow
[04:48] <qwer> okay, hdparm says buffered disk reads are 2.5mb/sec?!
[04:48] <qwer> jk-, I seem to have got it working though - and it seems to be a 64bit kernel bug, since only the 32bit works
[04:49] <qwer> i think i was mostly trying 64bit kernels at first
[04:49] <qwer> and those two that works miraculously were 32bit
[05:02] <twb> When booting lucid kernels, vga16fb is loaded by default.  How do I stop this?   And I've been using this hardware for 4 years...
[10:05] <twb> "Holy"
[10:07] <qwer> dude, this occasion calls for a serious misspelling
[10:07] <qwer> I am flabbergasted
[10:07] <twb> As you will
[10:07] <qwer> As you are, sir
[10:07] <qwer> I've been using this system for 4 years, and this mysteriousness took days out of my life
[10:07] <qwer> little did I know could this be tracked back to a bios update
[10:09] <twb> AHS
[10:09] <qwer> always have sex?
[10:09] <twb> All Hardware Sucks
[10:09] <qwer> ahhh
[10:09] <qwer> makes a bit more sense
[10:10] <qwer> where is that from, and what do they say about softare?
[10:10] <qwer> software*
[10:10] <twb> ASS
[10:10] <twb> It's from the monastery
[10:20] <matti> :]
[10:25] <twb> DNA is their third mantra.
[10:29] <qwer> I wish I got your joke
[10:29] <twb> Down, not across.
[10:30] <qwer> because I'm in a great mood now
[10:30] <qwer> lol
[10:30] <matti> qwer: ;]
[10:30] <twb> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/sysadmin-recovery/
[10:33] <twb> I was reading the ITS tourist policy today, and I ran across "Use the :LUSER command to tell other users that you need help" or so.  It was a nostalgic moment, I can tell you.
[14:49] <lool> apw: is there time for another linux upload before A3?
[14:50] <lool> apw: (It would be great to have working initrd support with versatile in A3; currently it's busted)
[14:54] <lool> I'm tentatively milestoning this as "Low" importance for A3; it's not dramatic if we miss the target  ;)
[15:01] <apw> lool, i suspect i won't get a linux upload in, as i have so many arm ones pending which have key bugs in
[15:07] <lool> apw: I understand, thanks either way
[16:15] <apw> smb, this trigger-happy patch set ... whats the gen there, is this already in karmic or something?
[16:16] <smb> apw, No, its not even upstream. (see cherry-picked from linux-next)
[16:16] <smb> I just happen to be sort of involved in the development and we got testing
[16:19] <apw> ahh so this is fixing a real bug ... for a real user of ours ... ok
[16:20] <smb> apw, Yeah, hard to say how many. But there seem to be people out there capable to operate joysticks with more than 15 buttons
[16:20] <smb> You could consider it as a regression even
[16:20] <apw> i don't normally play games which require me to take off my socks
[16:20] <persia> Good day.  I notice that all the kernel uploads get reported to the ubuntu-mobile mailing list.  I wondered why there, and not to ubuntu-devel.  I would think it would be of more general interest.
[16:20] <smb> As we fixed something else which broke it
[16:20] <persia> smb: I have at least four joysticks that have > 15 buttons if you need to test something.
[16:21] <apw> persia, they get reported to the teams which  have asked for specific reports
[16:21] <persia> apw: Would it improve your workflow to only have to report to the one team (ubuntu-devel@) ?
[16:21] <apw> i'd actually expect most people who really cared to get the email via the lucid-changes list ... crtainly i do
[16:21]  * persia suspects it would improve other workflows
[16:21] <apw> ubuntu-devel is pretty noisy ... i suspect the installer would want it sent to them specifically regardless
[16:21] <smb> persia, Only if beyond 30 or so. (Saitek X52)
[16:22] <persia> I have one of those :)
[16:22] <persia> My first patch ever to Ubuntu was to make it work with vegastrike, even :)
[16:22] <smb> persia, Then in should have stopped being detected since Karmic (as a joystick) ;-)
[16:22] <persia> I don't have the X52 Pro though (it has 2 more buttons)
[16:23] <persia> smb: It worked in Karmic, at least for some of the buttons.  I used it for some testing with input-utils for a user.
[16:23] <persia> But I didn't try *all* the buttons.
[16:23] <persia> Can we make it work again?
[16:23] <apw> now i know you have one, never :)
[16:23] <persia> There are some keyboards that are implemented as joysticks internally, and have >60 buttons.
[16:23] <smb> Thats two patchs I was proposing for Lucid
[16:24] <persia> smb: Please subscribe me to the bugs if you like, and I'll confirm behavioural changes.
[16:25] <persia> For Saitek, I have the X52 and Strategic Commander, which both exhibit fairly odd characteristics for "joysticks".
[16:25] <persia> But most of my joysticks/controllers are more pedestrian.
[16:25] <smb> The bug was/is bug 492056
[16:25] <ubot3> Malone bug 492056 in linux "Saitek X52 Joystick does not work" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/492056
[16:26] <smb> There is a test kernel linked. Though I probably have a hard time keeping up with newer Lucid kernels
[16:27] <persia> smb: So you need a retest for each kernel release?
[16:29] <smb> persia, I believe the one test is enough. If you had the same problem, the joystick would not have been detected as a joystick (joydev) as the number of buttons made it include BTN_DIGI and digitizers were blacklisted not to be joysticks
[16:29] <persia> And presumably you need testing with all classes of unusual device (so left-hand gamepad keyboards, super joysticks, etc.)
[16:30]  * persia laughs at repeated BTN_TRIGGER_HAPPY
[16:30] <smb> It makes the people with many triggers happy :)
[16:30] <persia> So, won't this break for stuff like keyboards with integrated joysticks that require both mappings?
[16:31] <persia> Or like the Nostromo n52Pro which is a joystick and a mouse and a keyboard?
[16:32] <smb> persia, Would those not have the normal keys as keys and only joystick buttons as buttons. Well, if you got time you are welcome to try that test kernel with all your odd devices
[16:32] <smb> As far as I understand the code, the additional mapping is only done for class joystick buttons and that seems to be part of the hid descriptor
[16:33] <persia> smb: Depends on the device.  The Saitek Strategic Commander is special in that it implements them all as joystick buttons in hardware.
[16:34] <persia> I don't have a Microsoft Sidewinder Commander though, which would probably be the ultimate test for this.  It had enough buttons (implemented as joystick buttons) that people used it as a typing input device.
[16:34] <persia> smb: Is there a lucid test kernel available?  I'm only seeing karmic listed in the bug.
[16:35] <smb> Doh, never underestimate hw developers crazieness. The test kernel is actually lucid
[16:35] <smb> Looks for the link to my people page
[16:35] <persia> Found it.
[16:35] <persia> I just saw comments about it being karmic.
[16:35] <persia> I'll give that a test tomorrow.
[16:35] <smb> Cool, thanks.
[16:36] <persia> And please feel free to poke me if you need any sort of joystick testing.  I have a collection, and care about them working (although I don't use them as much as I'd like to have time to do)
[16:37] <smb> Sure, now that I know. Atm, its the only problem I am aware of
[16:38] <persia> Well, there's also an issue with how we're mapping joysticks with /dev/jsN and /dev/eventN, but that's a userspace bug (which I hope to find time to fix before lucid release).
[16:39] <persia> And there's an issue with the joystick X input driver that certain devices get reversed axes.
[16:39] <persia> And ...
[16:39] <persia> (but it's all userspace)
[17:00] <ricotz> hello, anyone here willing to answer a question?
[17:02] <ricotz> i have a clean updated lucid install, and the cpu fan working normal on cold boot, when rebooting the fan spins up but doesnt spin down while lucid booting up, this is no temperature problem
[17:02] <ricotz> so i think this should be a kernel problem
[17:03] <ricotz> it is a hp 2510p notebook
[17:30] <crimsun> apw: RE: hda_beep.c patch proposed for lucid, I concur that it appears (according to the git trees on zinc) that enabled = 1, but that means that the changelog entry for 2.6.28-13.44 is actually incorrect.
[17:30] <crimsun> apw: and indeed, I can find no actual git history of the patch being applied to sound/pci/hda/hda_beep.c in smb's jaunty or the ubuntu-jaunty trees.
[17:31] <crimsun> which probably would explain why it was never applied to karmic
[17:32] <apw> crimsun, so the odd thing is that karmic doesn't have beep = 0 and yet the beep was not in karmic and appears in lucid so somethign else has changed... what i don't  know
[17:32] <crimsun> apw: there was that whole libgnome mess in karmic to disable the system beep, but that's just one very small part
[17:33] <crimsun> but the root of this particular issue is that the patch seems to never have been applied
[17:46] <apw> ok so i'll get with smb to try and find out what the heck happened there
[17:47] <smb> apw, Hmmm...
[17:55] <apw> crimsun, what are you seeing in the 13.44 changelog?  i see no mention of diabling beep
[17:57] <crimsun> [ Luke Yelavich ]
[17:57] <crimsun>   * disable CONFIG_SND_HDA_INPUT_BEEP on amd64 and i386
[17:57] <crimsun>     - LP: #331589
[17:58] <apw> hrm
[17:58] <apw> ahh thats -12.43
[17:59] <apw> crimsun, so that is a config change, not a code change
[18:00]  * apw goes find out why the config change is undone
[18:00] <crimsun> ah, thanks
[18:00] <apw> it seemed to be undone in karmic ... and we didn't seem to have the whining there we have in lucid ... hrm
[18:02] <crimsun> perhaps beep was unmuted somehow and simply got saved as part of the state
[18:02] <apw> well we tend to unmute everything under the sun on installing a new kernel
[18:02] <apw> at least thats my experience ... i have always assumed that was userspace doing that
[18:04] <crimsun> I'll chase up the alsa-utils end; we don't use alsactl init
[18:04] <apw> ok cool ...
[18:05] <crimsun> eventually all this cruft in /sbin/alsa-utils needs to be converted over to /usr/share/alsa/init/*
[18:09] <apw> crimsun/smb, i have this vague memory of turning it off in jaunty, then we put it back in karmic cause something in userspace was making sure Pc Beep was muted, and i think themuso was involved in that ... buts its a long time ago
[18:10] <smb> Maybe that was when it was muted by something else and replaced by another sound. At least I don't seem to have that beep. Or maybe it needs a boot to textmode without gnome
[18:16] <apw> smb, good thought ... there it is on VT-1
[18:16] <apw> hit backspace on the shell and BZZZT
[18:20] <crimsun> heh. If you have a 'Beep' mixer element, see amixer get 'Beep'
[18:21] <crimsun> ( ->  amixer set 'Beep' 0% mute )
[18:21] <apw> crimsun, yeah this is actually a different bug ... the vile beep i have here is changing volume when the mixer goes up and down
[18:21] <apw> previously it would change frequency from vile deepness to ear splitting high
[18:21] <smb> Strange- Seems I got one that does a beep but is not silent on 0...
[18:22] <apw> so i think we have a new bug ... pc beep really makes a nasty fart noise
[18:22] <apw> and i think this is relativly new
[18:22] <smb> Here hda(alc268) it seems to work
[18:24] <apw> yeah and mine is hda(Intel GM45 something something)
[18:24] <apw> and is not well
[18:27] <crimsun> ick, we're missing the beep consolidation that's in 2.6.33
[18:32] <crimsun> namely, http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=123c07aeddd71fbb295842a8c19866e780b9a100 and its follow-on fixes 13dab08, 5f81669, 411fe85, 54f7190)
[18:34] <smb> Looks "slightly" invasive
[18:36] <crimsun> yeah, I don't think it's really all that useful for the release kernel given that there are cod alsa-driver builds for people really wanting it
[18:39] <crimsun> apw: / smb: anyhoo, thanks for looking closer
[18:40] <apw> crimsun, np.  i think we want to get whoever had the original issue to file a bug so we get the alsainfo off them
[18:40] <apw> then we can try and find the codec which is affected, i suspect its the intel own codecs currently
[19:00] <philsf> crimsun, I had a disconnection yesterday before getting your answer on my USB problem ( http://pastebin.com/f489fcdd0 ). you said something about driver or hw, and I think it's not hw. how can I test if if it's a driver issue?
[20:09] <TheMuso> apw: It was turned off in jaunty, then a configs/packaging metadata shuffle re-enabled it again.
[20:24] <tgardner> apw, lbm_nouveau appears to be working on my Dell w/nVidia, but I was a bit surprised to get an LBM package without selecting it.
[20:47] <lifeless> tgardner:
[20:47] <lifeless> CONFIG_TASK_DELAY_ACCT not enabled in kernel - do you know anything about this?
[20:47] <lifeless> it was on in karmic, but is off in lucid


[00:00] <mij> I like the automatic window tile, but it doesn't work with multiple workspaces as moving a window next to the window border moves to the adjacent workspace instead of tiling. Any workaround?
[02:02] <xubuntu-anon1> Hello all, I am new here..
[02:02] <xubuntu-anon1> hello... I am looking for a way to promote linux (my favorite flavor is xubuntu), and will be putting on a small promotional event in a month or so, but I need to know, is there a way to show the install process in real time via a projector?
[02:03] <xubuntu-anon1> If anyone has any insight, I would apreciate it...
[02:04] <xubuntu-anon1> It may be a simple answer, as I think I am over looking something... I can't seem to put my finger on it.
[02:08] <well_laid_lawn>  have you got the projector working with the live cd yet?
[02:31] <NickRivers> Hello, when is expected that duplicate filesystem issue will be fixed. Listed here http://xubuntu.org/news/12-10-release
  have you got the projector working with the live cd yet? No... unfortunately I do not own one...
[03:07] <xubuntu-anon1> I have to hope the projector I get access to (the day of the event) "just works"...
[03:09] <xubuntu-anon1> I spoke with a friend of mine, and he thinks my Dell 15R I just ordered should work via VGA port, and use th eprojector as the default monitor in this senario
[03:09] <xubuntu-anon1> Thanks for your input, I apreciate it!
[03:38] <xubuntu498> hello?
[04:28] <ens1> Hello!
[04:29] <ens1> Just have a quick question for the xfce wizards out there :]
[04:29] <ens1> How can I have one xfce panel permanently above another xfce panel? The bottom one spans the entire width of the screen, and the other is only a certain width, and set to autohide. The only problem is that once I click on the bottom panel (the one that spans the entire width), it covers the one that I want to stay on top, making it impossible to get to come out of hiding. How can I set the panel that I want on top to be permanently ov
[05:15] <aperson> are there no keyboard shortcuts switchg tabs in xfce4-terminal ?
[05:54] <Unit193> aperson: Ctrl+pgup and Ctrl+pgdn, also alt+#
[07:03] <alch3m157> nobody?
[08:53] <DoDiesis> Buongiorno
[08:54] <DoDiesis> Avrei una domanda: all'avvio del sistema si apre sempre, automaticamente, una finestra con il browser Chrome. Quale comando/istruzione devo lanciare affinché questo non si verifichi?
[09:00] <DoDiesis> ok, ripasso più tardi... Un saluto :-)
[10:10] <Ronalds_M> catfish is dependent on zeitgeist?
[10:10] <Ronalds_M> I turned Zeitgeist off, and on, now it doesn't find anything
[10:17] <baizon> Ronalds_M: what search method are you using?
[10:23] <Ronalds_M> well, maybe it's because I'm searching on some partition
[10:23] <Ronalds_M> anyway, Installed gnome-utils
[10:23] <Ronalds_M> and using search util
[10:23] <Ronalds_M> it works faster
[10:23] <Unit193> What's it's backend?
[10:24] <Unit193> If you compare gnome-search locate to catfish find, no kidding it'd be faster.
[10:24] <Ronalds_M> you mean what's installed with it?
[10:24] <Ronalds_M> baobab, some other tools
[10:24] <Ronalds_M> gnome journaling
[10:27] <Ronalds_M> tiling works weird in xfce
[10:27] <Ronalds_M> if you push it to top panel, it doesn't go fullscreen
[11:03] <DoDiesis> Buonasera...
[11:04] <Myrtti> !it | DoDiesis
[11:05] <DoDiesis> Sorry, I did not know it. I came here through Ubuntu Italia, but I can also write in English,
[11:05] <DoDiesis> May I ask my question?
[11:06] <Myrtti> Of course, you already did
[11:07] <DoDiesis> Why launching xUbuntu 12.04 is at the same time launched the browser Chromium? What could I do to avoid it?
[11:07] <DoDiesis> thanks Myrtti
[11:09] <Myrtti> you must have it in your saved session then, I think
[11:10] <DoDiesis> Myrtti: it is possible, but there is an instruction I could enter via the Terminal in order to avoid this automatic opening?
[11:11] <Unit193> rm -rv ~/.cache/sessions/
[11:19] <DoDiesis> Unit193: it is an indication for me?
[11:20] <Unit193> DoDiesis: That's how you can remove saved sessions, then click log out, look for "save session" and uncheck it, log back in.
[11:21] <DoDiesis> thanks, Unit193 , will follow youtr indication. Sorry for being new for xUbuntu, but now my very old PC seems to have a new life :-)
[11:22] <DoDiesis> Thanks a lot. Have a nice day :-)
[11:22] <DoDiesis> Bye for now :-)
[11:22] <Unit193> Adios.
[11:23] <DoDiesis> Arrivederci... e grazie! :-)
[11:34] <tjingboem> how can i change the name of the computer+
[11:35] <tjingboem> ?
[11:36] <moetunes> !hostname
[11:36] <moetunes> tjingboem:  ^^
[11:37] <tjingboem> moetunes and his friend ubottu, i thank thee!
[11:48] <acegiak> Hey guys, is xfce4-xfapplet-plugin not a thing anymore?
[11:50] <acegiak> cause I installed xfce goodies but don't get xfapplet in my list of htings to add to my panel
[13:25] <ipv6hermit> hey guys, I just ran the update utility and it installed new kernel and nvidia drivers... and as it might be expected now the nvidia drivers are not loading
[13:25] <ipv6hermit> I ran sudo nvidia-xconfig, rebooted and still I don't think the drivers are loading
[13:26] <ipv6hermit> I run the nvidia x server settings utility adn it says "You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X Driver"
[14:11] <qasim2k3> hi
[15:57] <xubuntu058> hi
[15:57] <xubuntu058> i need some help
[15:59] <xubuntu058> i installed f.lux and when i unistalled i still have a "flux indicator applet" in the arrow next to the "All software" or "Installed" bottons in the ubuntu software center.
[16:00] <xubuntu058> any ideia how to delete it ?
[16:05] <xubuntu323> hi !
[16:05] <xubuntu323> i'm french.
[16:13] <SanAn> My laptop battery charged out. When i try to boot xubuntu again, the X not loading, but not load, it gives me busybox. how to solve this problem ?
[16:13] <SanAn> i mean the x loading, but not load
[16:13] <SanAn> and then i get busybox
[16:26] <xubuntu623> buenas
[16:26] <xubuntu623> alguien me podria ayudar ?
[16:26] <xubuntu623> tengo un pc en casa
[16:26] <xubuntu623> un sboremesa muy viejo
[16:27] <xubuntu623> pero el kubunto es tambien viejo
[16:27] <xubuntu623> sabeis una xubuntu que pida poco ?
[16:37] <noobvv> When booting i hide splash screen with 'esc', but not see anything? How to see booting procces? i want see what errors i get
[16:43] <TheSheep> noobvv: alt + f1
[16:43] <TheSheep> noobvv: also, make sure that you don't have 'quiet' in the boot parameters
[16:47] <noobvv> ok, go to try
[16:48] <noobvv> thanks
[16:58] <noobvv> I getting DRDY ERROR, after that im dropped to busybox, what to do ?
[17:10] <noobvv> i live with my mom
[17:11] <noobvv> and mom plugged off my pc
[17:34] <samsunghelp> anyone know how to get xubuntu to recognize my samsung galaxy note 2 as an external device so i can transfer music to it? driver support maybe?
[17:34] <samsunghelp> i couldnt find it in the SC
[17:37] <pleia2> samsunghelp: the older androids just mounted it as usb, but you need an MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) app installed now to access data on phones from ICS on
[17:37] <TheSheep> samsunghelp: you need a program that supports MTP
[17:39] <samsunghelp> suggestions on a program to use? or just search MTP in SC?
[17:40] <samsunghelp> qlix looks like bad reviews
[17:40] <pleia2> I've never done it, but searching the SC sounds like a good way to start
[17:40] <samsunghelp> under 2 stars
[17:40] <pleia2> MTP is a finicky technology and it's slow, I anticipate most apps will get poor reviews
[17:41] <samsunghelp> gmtp looks like 3 starts. guess ill try it. thanks for the help. ill see what happens
[17:41] <pleia2> good luck :)
[17:42] <samsunghelp> i forgot but im also a dummy...samsung has kies air and i can just send thru router to phone online. :)
[20:12] <xubuntu526> hello!
[20:13] <xubuntu526> I am trying to install xubuntu
[20:14] <xubuntu526> but at  reboot the screen blink, and I see nothing... neigther if I use contrl-F1
[20:16] <Guest44194> I boot live cd and want to copy my home directory from hard drive. But it is unmouted by ecryptfs... How to mount my home directory ?
[20:23] <Guest44194> ..
[20:24] <v1adimir> copy the home directory from the hdd to.. where? :)
[20:25] <v1adimir> oh nvm, your install is probably trashed or something
[22:02] <aperson> thank you Unit193


 agreed on keeping backports focused on lts makes a ton of sense
[07:17] <guiverc> backports only for LTS makes sense to me too...   tsimonq2 you're happy with 22.04.3 I take it (https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/release-team/testing-checklist/)  we're now updating them 'slowly', but I'm happy.
 so basically, for backports, you're doing what the Backporters team outlined for its rules when we rebooted it xD
 LTS only.  xD
 Agree - backports LTS - sorry late reply
[23:21] <guiverc> I run my `check_jammy` script & it reports "no new ISO found" ... I smile !