[02:58] <paul__> hello
[03:04] <paul___> HELLO
[03:05] <paul___> can I upgrade 14.4.4 to 15 ?
[03:28] <xangua> There is no 14.4.4 and neither 15 if you mean Ubuntu release
[05:51] <twb> Anybody here know how the screen reader is *supposed* to work under XFCE?
[05:54] <twb> AFAICT the process is Settings > Accessibility, tick the one tickbox in the first tab, log out, log back in, and then... I guess it should immediately begin reading aloud the GTK widgets under the mouse?
[05:55] <Yato> I'm doing a bit of research for ya
[05:55] <Yato> I've never actually used it.
[05:55] <Yato> But I'm looking into it
[05:55] <twb> (I'm actually trying to bolt orca into my heavily nerfed Debian 8 XFCE kiosk, and #debian and #xfce are both asleep, and I'm not sure if it's not working because I've screwed up, or because I'm not testing properly.)
[05:56] <Yato> You should poke #ubuntu too
[05:56] <Yato> There's a bunch of people on there usually
[05:56] <twb> I guess I should instead look for a generic a11y channel, since that's the more specialist side
[05:56] <Yato> So if I understand correctly
[05:56] <Yato> You want Orca in Xfce?
[05:57] <twb> I want screen reading -- AIUI orca is the only option
[05:57] <twb> Also my current plan is to boot an xubuntu live CD and compare how that behaves
[05:57] <twb> I thought to ask you guys because quacking for "xfce accessibility", about half the hits are xubuntu :P
[05:58] <Yato> Xubuntu is a pretty large Xfce install base :P
[05:59] <twb> The problem will *probably* turn out to be a missing Recommends, or that I'm starting via xdm (not gdm3), or that I've locked down something it's trying to use under the hood (like polkit)
[06:00] <twb> http://sprunge.us/GiMI is what the process tree looks like
[06:00] <Yato> So
[06:00] <twb> The at-spi bits started automatically; I had to run orca -r manually
[06:01] <Yato> This is from the ORca list
[06:01] <Yato> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/orca-list/2010-March/msg00081.html
[06:01] <Yato> It's got a few options related to Xfce
[06:01] <twb> Ah interesting.  orca -t is supposed to ask MANY questions
[06:01] <Yato> It's on an Arch install, but it should be the same process for Debian
[06:01] <twb> It only asked me about braille
[06:02] <twb> That strongly suggests it's missing the eflite or whatever TTS backend
[06:02] <twb> I saw it pulled in libflite or so, so I didn't worry that it omitted speech-dispatcher-festival (flite is a simplified replacement for festival).  I couldn't see a speech-dispatcher-flite either.
[06:03] <Yato> Sorry I'm not too much help
[06:03] <twb> No worries
[06:03] <Yato> But it seems that link got you on the right path :P
[06:04] <twb> The blind guys I know just use gnome3 so they won't be able to help
[06:05] <Yato> So hack_
[06:05] <Yato> From what I can tell from #ubuntu
[06:06] <Yato> It seems like your display just blacks out for half a second every so often?
[06:06] <twb> try turn off compositing in xfwm4
[06:06] <twb> (wild-ass guess)
[06:06] <hack_> Ok going to try that
[06:07] <Yato> Also, how often was it?
[06:07] <Yato> Like, every few minutes
[06:08] <Yato> Or a couple times a day?
[06:08] <hack_> seemed kinda random, was getting it every minute or two about 15 minutes ago, then it stopped for a while
[06:08] <hack_> have not seen it happening again so far
[06:08] <twb> Yato: http://sprunge.us/QDAa  is my checklist :P
[06:09] <Yato> hack_, out of curiosity, desktop or laptop?
[06:09] <hack_> it's a desktop
[06:10] <twb> Yato: were you thinking bumblbee?
[06:10] <Yato> This might seem stupid
[06:10] <Yato> twb, I was thinking cable
[06:10] <twb> oooh
[06:10] <Yato> might not be fully plugged in or is coming out
[06:10] <Yato> esp if it's DVI or VGA
[06:10] <twb> yeah swapping in different components will help determine if it's a hardware fault
[06:10] <hack_> tried that before even getting on here, and it's HDMI actually
[06:10] <Yato> Ah okay
[06:11] <Yato> So, you said it's stopped?
[06:11] <Yato> Hmmm
[06:11] <hack_> seems to have
[06:11] <Yato> Was that after you disabled compositing?
[06:11] <twb> Yato: DVI-D shouldn't be any worse than HDMI or DP; DVI-A would be worse
[06:11] <hack_> yeah, after I disabled that it seems to be behaving
[06:11] <Yato> well
[06:11] <Yato> twb done good.
[06:11] <twb> hack_: no drop shadows for you!
[06:11] <hack_> not sure why though, my gpu should be more than capable
[06:12] <Yato> GPU drivers are crazy on Linux
[06:12] <Yato> You never know.
[06:12] <twb> doesn't mean the guys who wrote the compositor are capable tho :P
[06:12] <hack_> guessing it's AMD/ATI's fault
[06:12] <Yato> OH
[06:12] <Yato> Are you using proprietary or OSS?
[06:12] <twb> There is a stand-alone compositor called "compton" which you can try
[06:12] <Yato> the props. are *horrible* for AMD
[06:13] <hack_> yeah, I'm really considering switching back to OSS, unless some of my games barf on me
[06:14] <Yato> RadeonSI just got OpenGL 4.0 a few weeks back
[06:14] <Yato> and from when I had an AMD card
[06:14] <Yato> they were *worlds* better
[06:14] <Yato> Like
[06:14] <Yato> 30 FPS in TF2 to 300 with OSS
[06:14] <twb> And here was me thinking you meant better in terms of reliability and freedom :/
[06:15] <hack_> well, sounds like better in all respects
[06:15] <twb> Does FPS even matter for orthohumans above 60Hz?
[06:15]  * Yato has two 144Hz monitors
[06:15] <Yato> So yes, for me it does :P
[06:15] <twb> That just means it matters for the monitor, not necessarily the meatbag looking at it
[06:15] <hack_> mine is just some random semi-hi def tv, so probably not
[06:16] <Yato> twb, I can definitely tell a difference
[06:16] <twb> Fair enough
[06:16] <Yato> Just from little things like the mouse and moving windows around
[06:16] <Yato> and in games, it makes a huge difference
[06:16] <Yato> Everything is just... smoother :P
[06:17] <hack_> gonna turn compositioning back on and see if it persists with the OSS drivers
[06:17] <Yato> Are you using the OSS drivers from the regular repos or from oibaf?
[06:17] <Yato> oibaf's are significantly newer
[06:18] <Yato> but they're also nightlies
[06:18] <Yato> so shit could hit the fan
[06:18] <hack_> so far so good ... regular repos I think, just used the standard additional drivers util
[06:18] <Yato> Ah okay
[06:19] <hack_> I'm on trusty, so unless there's some kind of must have feature I stick with the more stable stuff
[06:19] <Yato> Fair enough.
[06:19] <Yato> I understand that
[06:20] <Yato> I use trusty as well
[06:20] <Yato> ...
[06:20] <Yato> someone just joined #ubuntu named ubuntu.
[06:20] <hack_> lol
[06:21] <hack_> I do have one or two ppa's installed, but that's it
[06:21] <twb> Yato: they are probably on a live CD
[06:21] <twb> so the local username is "ubuntu"
[06:21] <Yato> ^ true...
[06:22] <hack_> Gonna try running a game to see if it barfs
[06:23] <twb> crawl!
[06:23] <twb> best game since Hunt the Wumpus
[06:46] <hack_> yep working great
[06:57] <hack_> well, had a game not display the textures right, so went to try and go back to the proprietary ati drivers
[06:58] <hack_> but then it said the driver was manually installed and would not let me change back, so I tried rebooting, and now everything is low res!
[06:58] <hack_> can someone tell me how I can get alternative drivers to behave itself?
[06:59] <hack_> additional drivers, sorry
[07:02] <hack_> I need the additional drivers window to let me change back or is there a way to force it back via the terminal?
[07:03] <hack_> help please?
[07:07] <hack_> Look I really need help now, desperately!
[07:16] <Yato> welp
[07:16] <Yato> I was too late.
[07:16] <Yato> Damn.
[07:30] <noflag> hi all
[07:30] <noflag> i'm having a hell of a time
[07:30] <noflag> trying to set chromium as the default browser in xubuntu
[07:30] <noflag> i've tried everything i know of from googleing
[07:31] <noflag> is there a way to check it step-by-step
[07:33] <xubuntu44i> test
[07:52] <Yato> noflag, you still here?
[07:52] <noflag> yes
[07:53] <Yato> https://askubuntu.com/questions/143221/how-to-set-up-google-chrome-as-default-browser-in-xubuntu
[07:53] <noflag> i'm playing with xdg-open and exo-open
[07:53] <Yato> Try that
[07:53] <Yato> and if that doesn't work
[07:53] <Yato> report back to me
[07:56] <noflag> ok, i'll log out and test it
[08:03] <noflag> still not noticing itself as default, and asking me to pick a default browser when i click links
[08:03] <Yato> huh
[08:03] <Yato> do you have other browsers installed?
[08:06] <noflag> no, i uninstalled firefox
[08:07] <Yato> try these two commands
[08:07] <Yato> sudo update-alternatives --set x-www-browser /usr/bin/chromium
[08:07] <noflag> seems like an ongoing problem for some users
[08:07] <Yato> sudo update-alternatives --set gnome-www-browser /usr/bin/chromium
[08:08] <noflag> no change with xdg-open and exo-open
[08:09] <Yato> what does it do?
[08:09] <Yato> Just ask you where you want to open the link?
[08:10] <noflag> yeah to pick a program, only chromium and debian-sensible-browser available
[08:10] <noflag> i tried manually adding /usr/bin/chromium
[08:10] <noflag> same results
[08:10] <Yato> try removing debian-sensible
[08:10] <Yato> If there's only one browser
[08:10] <Yato> it should like that
[08:11] <Yato> (unless you use that, then we'll try something else)
[08:11] <noflag> how do i remove it?
[08:11] <barnabasdk> the alternatives setup is a mess
[08:11] <Yato> sudo apt-get remove debian-sensible-browser
[08:11] <noflag> i don't have that
[08:12] <noflag> yeah i heard the alternatives system is a POS
[08:12] <barnabasdk> it is
[08:12] <noflag> i can't even log into my google drive folder sync because it errors on launching the browser
[08:13] <noflag> i've got everything working now, except the browser thing lol
[08:14] <barnabasdk> what about the "default applications" app?
[08:14] <barnabasdk> don't know it xubuntu has one
[08:14] <barnabasdk> its there in unity and gnome-shell
[08:14] <Yato> So
[08:14] <Yato> I found the actual package name
[08:14] <Yato> sudo apt-get remove epiphany-browser
[08:14] <Yato> try that
[08:14] <Yato> and if that fails
[08:14] <noflag> not installed
[08:14] <Yato> we shall try more things
[08:15] <Yato> Dang.
[08:15] <barnabasdk> try doing an inverse install
[08:15] <noflag> exo-preferred-applications in xubuntu, it seems
[08:15] <Yato> oh, duh
[08:15] <barnabasdk> sudo apt-get install --reinstall "chrome"
[08:15] <noflag> how do i do an inverse install
[08:15] <Yato> have you tried setting the default browser in Chromium?
[08:16] <noflag> ok
[08:16] <noflag> Yato: yes, it asked every time
[08:16] <Yato> Ah
[08:16] <barnabasdk> dont know the exact name
[08:16] <noflag> its reinstlaling
[08:17] <noflag> no change
[08:17] <barnabasdk> I am out of ideas then
[08:17] <noflag> yeah i've googled the hell out of this
[08:17] <noflag> i guess i'll make a big report
[08:17] <noflag> *bug
[08:18] <Yato> That's what I'm doing at this point is googling and seeing what others have done to fix this\
[08:19] <Yato> I don't know if you've seen this
[08:19] <Yato> but there's a shit ton of stuff to try here
[08:19] <Yato> https://askubuntu.com/questions/143221/how-to-set-up-google-chrome-as-default-browser-in-xubuntu
[08:20] <barnabasdk> I assume you have al been here
[08:20] <barnabasdk> http://docs.xubuntu.org/1404/guide-default-apps.html
[08:21] <Yato> Yeah, he tried all that
[08:21] <Yato> Welp, I need to go to bed
[08:21] <Yato> Adios!
[08:22] <noflag> i'll update the stuff i read if i figure it out
[09:57] <bsdunix> I am diggin Xubuntu! over 10 years on *nix - and I am running the same Xubuntu install for 3 years already
[09:58] <bsdunix> except for that fontconfig error stuff...
[12:06] <xubuntu49w> Anyone in here?
[12:07] <pjotter> Lots of folk. Don't now if they're all responsive though :)
[14:51] <jilocasin0> No joy.... :( [ in fact it's worse]
[14:54] <jilocasin0> xubuntu (15.10) seriously borked.  renaming .config -> .config_old and rebooting is now worse.  Desktop is missing, just panel and black screen, until I cntrl-alt-F7.  The desktop but no panel.
[14:55] <jilocasin0> still no windows around anything. Even Chrome windows cannot be moved.  Terminal windows appear on upper left and can't be entered to enter text
[14:56] <jilocasin0> anyone have any ideas?
[15:05] <jilocasin0> does anyone know how to reinstall xfce in xubuntu 15.10?
[15:06] <jilocasin0> lubuntu
[15:06] <jilocasin0> lubuntu
[15:06] <jilocasin0> [stuck on wrong window... :( ]
[18:00] <xubuntu18w> I cant get the dns on a static ipaddress to work properly... I can ping other stations in my network, but dns is not working.  (Setup with GUI)
[18:05] <xubuntu62w> I'm not  tech but found this in google search   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1903820
[18:07] <xubuntu62w> hope it helps xubuntu18w
[18:07] <xubuntu18w> Thanks
[18:07] <xubuntu62w> yw
[18:08] <xubuntu62w> oops  i too slow
[18:11] <xubuntu62w> is apache the best text editor for xubuntu
[18:11] <genii> apache is a web server, not an editor
[18:12] <xubuntu62w> can you  recommend a pdf  text editor
[18:14] <genii> libreoffice can do it
[18:14] <xubuntu62w> thank  you
[18:15] <xubuntu62w> Have a Safe Happy  New Year
[19:04] <jilocasin0> my xubuntu/xfce is dead... all that's left is to find a way to remove the corpse.
[19:04]  * jilocasin0 very sad
[19:57] <xubuntu51w> greetings and happy new year!  Just installed Xubuntu vivid for the first time and have a couple questions if anyone is on.
[19:59] <xubuntu51w> the mouse cursor randomly "sticks", freezes and disappears over open app panes.  Any settings l can change?
[20:00] <xubuntu51w> Specifically over buttons or input sections.  Most frustrating


[13:02] <daker> mhall119, http://daniel.holba.ch/blog/2012/01/meeting-friends-in-morocco/
[13:04] <nigelb> \o/
[13:04] <nigelb> So, that's how you look like :D
[13:04] <daker> ツ
[13:05] <mhall119> daker: nice
[13:05] <nigelb> Morning mhall119
[13:05] <mhall119> I love the old architecture
[13:05] <mhall119> good evening nigelb
[13:06] <nigelb> I was playing with mongodb today. I'm actually sort of impressed.
[13:55] <nigelb> daker: You might find this interesting - https://twitter.com/#!/naglarzk/status/158909627898138624


[08:40] <mandel> morning all!
[11:14] <gatox> good morning!
[11:22] <mandel> gatox, morning!!!!
[11:22] <mandel> gatox, I have tests for you to run!
[11:22] <mandel> :P
[11:23] <gatox> mandel, hi! give me the tests! :P
[11:23] <mandel> gatox, they are here: lp:~mandel/ubuntu-sso-client/fix-activation-tests
[11:23] <gatox> mandel, do you enjoy your holidays?
[11:23] <mandel> gatox, you need the ubuntuone-dev-tools stuff from last week
[11:23] <mandel> gatox, yes I did, no computers and just internet connection on the phone, it was great :)
[11:27] <mandel> gatox, if this works there is one thing to always remember, defer.maybeDefered(listener.soptListening)
[11:27] <gatox> mandel, jejejee ok, let's see
[11:28] <gatox> mandel, may it be that something is missing?? it says that there is no module "tx"
[11:29] <mandel> gatox, remember to branch lp:~mandel/ubuntuone-dev-tools/mocked-webserver and put it in the path :)
[11:29] <gatox> mandel, ahhhhh
[11:30] <mandel> gatox, uhhhhh la chicas son guerreras!
[11:30] <mandel> gatox, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdedFCz5Agk
[11:31] <mandel> gatox, welcom to the spanish 80s music :P
[11:31] <gatox> mandel, juazzzzzzzz
[11:32] <gatox> mandel, well..... it's not so different from some 80 music from argentina
[11:32] <mandel> gatox, we might be the root cause of that hehe
[11:32] <gatox> jejeje
[11:33] <gatox> mandel, it seems that it was really cheap to do these kind of video clips jejee
[11:43] <mandel> gatox, works?
[11:43] <gatox> mandel, i'll restart and retry..... because i had the same 17 errors as always
[11:44] <mandel> gatox, sure, can you run and let me see the output?
[11:44] <gatox> mandel, yes
[11:56] <mandel> gatox, give me my errors! :P
[11:56] <gatox> mandel, always the same http://paste.ubuntu.com/921696/
[11:57] <gatox> uhhhhh more errors now..... weird
[11:57] <gatox> running it again
[11:57] <mandel> gatox, ok
[12:00] <gatox> mandel, no....... again the same errors..... now instead of 17 i have 96
[12:00] <mandel> gatox, hm.. that is very very weird
[12:01] <gatox> mandel, can we trust in my vm? :P
[12:01] <mandel> gatox, yes.. I mean, in a way we can trust the error from the reactor
[12:01] <mandel> gatox, I wonder.. is that vm very very slow when you use it?
[12:02] <gatox> mandel, nop..... i don't use it too much..... except for running tests and executing u1....... but it's not slow
[12:08] <mandel> gatox, this is going to sound evil.. but can you try to run the twisted tests on that machine :)
[12:08] <mandel> ?
[12:08] <gatox> mandel, i can try.......
[12:08]  * mandel evil laughs
[12:08] <gatox> mandel, where is the repo? http://twistedmatrix.com/trac/
[12:09] <mandel> gatox, I'm getting a could not connect to http://twistedmatrix.com/trac/
[12:09] <mandel> :(
[12:09] <gatox> mandel, me too
[12:10] <gatox> that's why i ask :P
[12:10] <mandel> gatox, che, se fue todo a la mierda en twisted lol
[12:10] <gatox> mandel, i'm not feeling really lucky here
[12:10] <gatox> jeje
[12:10] <mandel> gatox, we finally managed to close the reactor!
[12:10] <mandel> hehehe
[12:10] <gatox> jejejejejjee
[12:11] <gatox> mandel, so......... we should migrate to qthread now...... :P
[12:11] <gatox> jeje
[12:11] <mandel> gatox, no threads please..
[12:23] <alecu> hello, all!
[12:48] <ralsina> Good morning!
[12:49] <gatox> ralsina, hi!
[12:50] <ralsina> hello gatox, what did I miss the last week? :-)
[12:50] <ralsina> Looks like I can't connect to canonical IRC. Nice way to start the week
[12:51] <gatox> ralsina, weird...... mmmmmm you miss my life changing decision ejejjej now i begin the morning doing exercise, more energy during the day.....
[12:51] <gatox> ralsina, about work..... just bugs :P
[12:51] <gatox> jje
[12:52] <ralsina> gatox: good idea, don't start at 40, everything hurts at 40 ;-)
[12:52] <ralsina> ok, switching to local quassel, brb
[13:14] <alecu> gatox, I've just confirmed it. On linux, calling any method in SyncDaemonTool will start syncdaemon, even when .start() was not called before.
[13:15] <gatox> alecu, right..... so, it's consistent in that way
[13:15] <alecu> gatox, so, on windows it should do the same.
[13:16] <gatox> alecu, so, the thing is.... the code is ok but it shouldn't start sd during u1sdtool -q?
[13:16] <gatox> alecu, or i missing ssomething?
[13:18] <alecu> gatox, "your branch fixes the bug, but the reality of the milanesa is that an instance of the SyncDaemonTool class should not start SD when it's created".
[13:19] <alecu> gatox, so, if we fix that milanesa, your branch should not be needed.
[13:19] <gatox> alecu, right
[13:20] <alecu> gatox, but I still don't have a clear picture on how to fix this.
[13:20] <gatox> alecu, so..... we should refactor the milanesa :P to start sd on start..... or when the user call the methods?
[13:21] <alecu> gatox, you mean "start sd when the .start() method is called"?
[13:22] <alecu> gatox, that's one option, yes.
[13:22] <gatox> alecu, yep
[13:23] <dobey> refactor the milanesa? like, make it so vegan types can eat it? milanesa sin pollo?
[13:23] <gatox> dobey, never take out the meat.... put more meat :P
[13:23] <nessita> alecu: SyncDaemonTool does not start a syncdaemon if is not running on linux (hola!)
[13:24] <dobey> hehe
[13:24] <gatox> alecu, should i start working in that and see how we can refactor that.... or do you want to analyze other options?
[13:24] <alecu> nessita, if I call any method in a SyncDaemonTool instance on linux, an SD instance will be started.
[13:25] <alecu> nessita, .start, or any other method too.
[13:25] <nessita> alecu: hum, but the simple fact of creating an instance of SDT does not start it, no?
[13:25] <nessita> alecu: and in windows it does
[13:25] <alecu> nessita, no. And we have already established that :-)
[13:25] <alecu> nessita, right.
[13:26] <alecu> nessita, so: on linux, creating an instance of SyncDaemonTool will not start SD. But calling any method will.
[13:26] <alecu> nessita, on windows, creating an instance will immediately start SD.
[13:26] <nessita> ok, so my review was requesting that the simple fact of starting a SDT in windows will not start the service, to match linux behaviour
[13:27] <gatox> alecu, right..... in windows we are having the problem on SDT __init__
[13:27] <alecu> nessita, right: we need SDT not start on __init__. But we should also make it so calling every method should start it, to match linux.
[13:27] <nessita> alecu: +1
[13:28] <gatox> alecu, maybe this is wrong..... but.... can't we decorate the methods of sdt to start sd if necessary?
[13:29] <alecu> gatox, sounds like a nice solution
[13:30] <ralsina> good morning alecu, dobey, nessita!
[13:30] <gatox> alecu, nice :D..... do you want me to do that? (in a different branch)
[13:30] <alecu> gatox, perhaps in SyncDaemonToolProxy
[13:30] <nessita> hola ralsina
[13:30] <ralsina> nessita: I am still catching up on mail, will reply to yours in a bit
[13:30] <alecu> hola ralsina!
[13:31] <nessita> ralsina: ack
[13:31] <ralsina> did I miss anything interesting last week?
[13:31] <dobey> hola ralsina
[13:35] <alecu> gatox, so: I think we should not add a decorator to every method, but instead only add some smarts to SyncDaemonToolProxy.call_method
[13:36] <gatox> alecu, sounds good
[13:37] <gatox> alecu, ok, i'll start with that :D
[13:39] <alecu> gatox, also, there's some interesting stuff in there too, like "_call_after_connection"
[13:40] <gatox> alecu, yep
[13:40] <alecu> gatox, so I think that some bits are already there, like waiting for the connection before calling. It should also start the self.client if it was not started.
[13:41] <alecu> gatox, take a look there, and ping me if it does not make sense.
[13:41] <gatox> alecu, ok
[13:51] <joshuahoover> ralsina: win release update? :)
[13:52] <ralsina> joshuahoover: still catching up
[13:52] <ralsina> joshuahoover: but I assume it's missing a bugfix or two :-/
[13:52] <ralsina> briancurtin: you here already?
[13:52] <briancurtin> ralsina: yep, typing up a response to that
[13:52] <ralsina> briancurtin: cool :-)
[13:53] <briancurtin> joshuahoover: i put together a release on friday that included a (kind of hacky) fix to allow the cloud-to-computer installation step to work properly, not sure what its status is with QA
[13:55] <somethinginteres> Hi, I have just installed and updated Ubuntu 12.04 Beta 2. I am trying to login to my Ubuntu One account and am being told the password I used to login to my PC no longer matches my login keyring or something to that effect. Ideas?
[13:57] <dobey> did you install ubuntu on top of an exsiting ubuntu installation, and carry over your $HOME directory?
[13:58] <somethinginteres> dobey: I installed over the top of a Debian install. Carrying over my $HOME from a separate partition
[13:58] <dobey> ah
[13:59] <dobey> and did you set up your user in the new install with a different password than you were using on the previous install?
[13:59] <somethinginteres> dobey: yes, I did. Different password to my old user. Same name though.
[14:00] <dobey> somethinginteres: you will have to unlock the keyring using the old password then. you should be able to change the keyring password in seahorse, to match your new login password, if you want it to unlock on login
[14:01] <somethinginteres> dobey: Let me give that a go.
[14:03] <somethinginteres> dobey: hmm, using the old password worked. Trying to change the "Login Keyring" password in Seahorse reports that the "original password" I entered (aka the correct old password from Debian) didn't match.
[14:03] <dobey> hmm
[14:04] <dobey> that's odd
[14:04] <dobey> if it worked to unlock it, it should work to change it
[14:04] <somethinginteres> dobey: I'll have to investigate further if the problem arises elsewhere. Thanks for the fix in this case anyway. I'll look into it.
[14:19] <gatox> alecu, i think it's done! :D.... i'll propose the branch now
[14:20] <alecu> gatox, awesome!
[14:22] <mandel> alecu, morning! I updated https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-dev-tools/tcp-testcases/+merge/99759 after your comments
[14:22] <mandel> alecu, please take a look when possible
[14:22] <alecu> mandel, sure, thanks!
[14:23] <briancurtin> mandel: that's the branch which goes along with fixing SSO tests, right?
[14:24] <mandel> briancurtin, yes, that is the one, I'm testing right now with gatox a fix required in the webserver
[14:24] <mandel> briancurtin, if I can get this to work we should chat about jenkins automation etc..
[14:24] <briancurtin> mandel: sounds good, let me know when you want to chat
[14:25] <mandel> briancurtin, as soon this is fix we could chat on how it was fixed and what to do next :)
[14:26] <briancurtin> mandel: cool, that would be useful. i could use a primer on the whole "dirty reactor" issue, what causes it, how to fix, etc
[14:27] <mandel> briancurtin, exactly, is better to have this knowledge in more than one place in case I die at some point hehe
[14:31] <ralsina> mandel: reading the mail from last week... why do we need a twisted web server?
[14:32] <mandel> ralsina, because it is used to do a point to point test of the webclient, tests start a "webserver" and we retrieve data from it
[14:33] <ralsina> mandel: and why not use something like SimpleHTTPServer?
[14:33] <mandel> ralsina, that way we tests everything but don't go to the outside world for it, problem is, is leaving dirty reactors atm
[14:33] <mandel> ralsina, dont know? alecu is there a particular reason for that ^ ?
[14:34] <alecu> ralsina, mandel: SimpleHTTPServer is blocking. If we would use something like that in tests, we would need to run it in its own thread. And threads are evil :-)
[14:35] <ralsina> alecu: ack
[14:35] <mandel> alecu, +100000 for no threads :)
[14:36] <alecu> mandel, there is in fact a way of telling trial
[14:36] <alecu> sorry
[14:37] <alecu> mandel, there is in fact a way of telling trial to not care about dirty reactors. But "dirty reactor" is just trial way of telling you that you left something without closing it.
[14:38] <alecu> mandel, the thing is that trial has no way to know which "unclosed" bits belong to your main code, and which belong to your test.
[14:38] <mandel> alecu, no worries, I think having dirty reactors is a good thing, I don't want tests that do not clean after them
[14:39] <mandel> alecu, I think I got it working
[14:39] <alecu> awesome
[14:43] <mandel> alecu, funny thing, is just gatox vm the only reliable way to get the dirty reactors.. he must have touched something hehe
[14:44] <gatox> mandel, stop blaming me! :P
[14:45] <dobey> threads are not evil
[14:45] <dobey> bad code is evil
[14:45] <dobey> and you don't need threads to write broken code :)
[14:46] <ralsina> dobey: code that uses threads is 90% f the time bad and evil
[14:46] <dobey> ralsina: 90% of programmers are crappy programmers :)
[14:47] <ralsina> dobey: haha, Sturgeon's law at work :-)
[14:48] <mandel> dobey, excuse, just 90% of me is a bad programmer, the rest is an ok programmer!
[14:48] <dobey> heh
[14:49] <somethinginteres> is the bug of having duplicate devices in the "Devices" tab still a thing in 12.04?
[14:50] <mandel> gatox, do you know anything about that^
[14:51] <dobey> somethinginteres: "bug" ?
[14:51] <gatox> somethinginteres, mandel i haven't seen that
[14:51] <dobey> somethinginteres: it is possible to have duplicate devices, yes, but i don't think it's a "bug"
[14:52] <somethinginteres> dobey: I just remember emailing support a while ago and they said it was a "glitch" they were working on.
[14:53] <dobey> somethinginteres: ok, i don't know about that.
[14:53] <dobey> rye, duanedesign: ^^ do you know aobut that?
[14:53] <ralsina> dobey, gatox, alecu, briancurtin, urbanape: standup in 7'
[14:53] <briancurtin> ack
[14:53] <gatox> ralsina, ack
[14:54]  * rye is reading
[14:55] <rye> somethinginteres: are there duplicate entries in https://one.ubuntu.com/account/machines
[14:55] <duanedesign> somethinginteres: i have not had that happen in quite awhile. Not sure what the 'official' status is though
[14:57] <dobey> there is a bug in rhythmbox/libubuntuone/rhythmbox-ubuntuone that can result in the local token being removed from the keyring (but the entry remains on the server), which will be fixed in an update tomorrow
[14:57] <dobey> (is already fixed in nightlies)
[14:58] <dobey> but outside of that, i don't know of any current bugs that would cause the same issue. only way would be to delete the token locally yourself.
[14:58] <rye> dobey: yeah, but the info about the tokens is coming from the server... so if it is duplicating locally then that's basically a reauthorization
[15:00] <dobey> rye: yes, the list in the control panel is from the server. the problem happens when the token gets removed from local keyring, and not from the server
[15:01] <ralsina> me
[15:01] <briancurtin> me
[15:01] <gatox> me
[15:02] <mandel> me
[15:02] <dobey> meh
[15:02] <gatox> alecu, urbanape ?
[15:03] <dobey> thisfred, nessita?
[15:03] <briancurtin> urbanape is on vacation this week
[15:03] <gatox> dobey, nessita is on rotation
[15:03] <dobey> ah right
[15:03] <ralsina> DONE: nothing, email catchup TODO: perf.reviews, tech leads call, catchup, some IRL QA of latest windows build, whatever is needed BLOCKED: well, there is a *pile* of mail still to read/answer/delete/burn/forget/tatoo on my forearm
[15:04] <ralsina> NEXT: briancurtin
[15:04] <briancurtin> DONE: firewall exceptions added to installer, fixed cloud-to-computer in a hacky way, created a new windows installer
[15:04] <briancurtin> TODO: fix some read-only/read-write differences by trying out the winsys package, get tests green!
[15:04] <briancurtin> BLOCKED: none
[15:04] <briancurtin> NEXT: gatox
[15:04] <alecu> me
[15:04] <gatox> DONE:
[15:04] <gatox> Kind of fix this one: Bug #824574 (but the fix present another issue... looking at that). Worked on Bug #907479.
[15:04] <gatox> TODO:
[15:04] <gatox> Finish with #907479. Start with Bug #973830.
[15:04] <gatox> BLOCKED:
[15:04] <gatox> No
[15:04] <gatox> mandel, go
[15:04] <mandel> DONE: Easter holidays. Update dev-tools branch that is up for review. Fixes more tests with the help of gatox.
[15:04] <mandel> TODO: Get all sso tests work, propose mp then talk with briancurtin on how to move with jenkins.
[15:04] <mandel> BLOCKED: no.. besides debugging
[15:04] <mandel> dobey, please
[15:04] <dobey> λ DONE: bug #969262, started u1db packaging
[15:04] <dobey> λ TODO: finish bug #968555, finish u1db packaging
[15:04] <dobey> λ BLCK: none.
[15:04] <dobey> alecu
[15:04] <alecu> DONE: national holidays and weekend, catching up with mail
[15:04] <alecu> TODO: reviews, first techleads call, SD bugs
[15:04] <alecu> NEXT: ?
[15:05] <thisfred> me
[15:05] <gatox> thisfred, go
[15:05] <thisfred> DONE: tracked down segfault
[15:05]  * ralsina forgot thisfred and mandel! This is already going to hell! ;-)
[15:05] <thisfred> TODO: finish split words mapping
[15:05] <thisfred> BLOCKED: no more
[15:06] <mandel> ralsina, wait what? you forgot about us.. mal.. muy mal? :P
[15:06] <ralsina> mandel: I just came back frm vacations, have not got my brain started yet
[15:06] <mandel> hehehe
[15:07] <dobey> ralsina: have you tried ether? it's a great starting fluid
[15:07] <ralsina> dobey: have any online ether providers? ;-)
[15:08] <ralsina> ok, comments!
[15:08] <ralsina> briancurtin, mandel: have you had any progress on the jenkins area?
[15:09] <thisfred> # XXX: add comments
[15:09] <mandel> ralsina, I just ran the tests on gatox evil machine and I got 19 error in the TxWebclient implementation which is no clean, that is an easy thing to fix son in a few mins I'll ask him to try again
[15:09] <ralsina> mandel: awesome
[15:09] <briancurtin> ralsina: i got hung up most of last week trying to get windows ready. i ended up having to propose a hacky little branch for an issue elopio found during install
[15:09] <mandel> ralsina, if that is ok, then we can start merging the fixes and see if the all pass in jenkins :)
[15:09] <ralsina> briancurtin: cool, let's launch that thing
[15:09] <gatox> mandel, my machine obviusly hate you
[15:10] <ralsina> mandel, briancurtin: so, after it works on gatox's box we start on jenkins?
[15:11] <briancurtin> ralsina, mandel: yes sir. i'm working right now on trying a new approach to solving the read-only/read-write problem (wanted to do it last week) that will hopefully solve some of the test failures on windows with files not being found/accessible
[15:12] <ralsina> briancurtin: awesome
[15:12] <mandel> briancurtin, that is great! 'cause I think that those tests did fail on jenkins
[15:12] <dobey> need lunch, bbiab
[15:13] <briancurtin> mandel: its more than just the specific ro/rw tests, too. on u1client i get a bunch of tests that almost always fail trying to access tritcask files
[15:14] <mandel> briancurtin, oh, is that because the path is too long?
[15:14] <briancurtin> mandel: hm, i don't think so, but i'll look into that possiblity. i don't have the traceback handy but i seem to remember it being for access
[15:15] <mandel> briancurtin, take a look on that, I know that tritcask does not use the \\?\ trick which means that the length of the path is a problem
[15:16] <ralsina> briancurtin, mandel: we had tons of times "filename too long" in tritcask tests, and verterok had made them shorter
[15:16] <ralsina> but I suppose it all depends on *where* you are running the tests, of course
[15:20]  * gatox goes to buy some food...... brb!
[15:53] <ralsina> alecu: no tech leads call, but I would like a short mumble with you in about 30'?
[15:53] <alecu> ralsina, sure!
[15:54] <alecu> ralsina, so, there's no tech leads call today?
[15:54] <ralsina> alecu: right
[15:54] <alecu> ack
[15:54] <ralsina> alecu: not enough people available, strong case of the mondays, high probability of meteorite showers, etc.
[15:55] <alecu> lols
[16:11] <mandel> briancurtin, ping
[16:12] <briancurtin> mandel: pong
[16:14] <mandel> briancurtin, can you grab lp:~mandel/ubuntuone-dev-tools/mocked-webserver put it in you path and run the tests for lp:~mandel/ubuntu-sso-client/fix-activation-tests ?
[16:14] <mandel> briancurtin, gatox evil machine is having lunch :(
[16:16] <briancurtin> mandel: yep, i'll let you know in a few minutes
[16:16] <mandel> briancurtin, thx!
[16:27] <mandel> alecu, ping
[16:28] <briancurtin> mandel: the first run passed :) i'll run a few times and see if it's all ok
[16:28] <mandel> alecu, we have an issues with the txweb.WebClient in its current implementation because it leaves the tcp.Client behind after the requests, got any idea?
[16:28] <mandel> briancurtin, great!
[16:30] <dobey> mandel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-dev-tools/+bug/972366/comments/1
[16:31] <alecu> mandel, pong
[16:31] <alecu> mandel, is it using http/1.1?
[16:31] <mandel> dobey, hm.. I don't know how to rephrase that, the issue is that we have a mocked webserver in the tests that does not clean the resources correctly
[16:31] <mandel> alecu, let me check
[16:34] <mandel> alecu, it uses the default http.HTTPClient which in 1.0
[16:34] <mandel> form http://twistedmatrix.com/documents/8.1.0/api/twisted.web.http.HTTPClient.html
[16:34] <mandel> s/form/from
[16:35] <briancurtin> mandel: the tests passed 5 times in a row, so i think you win
[16:37] <mandel> briancurtin, I win in your machine and mine, gatox one thinks a diff way..
[16:38] <briancurtin> that's because it's run by the green alien on the cover
[16:38] <gatox> jejeje
[16:41] <alecu> gatox, does your "windows machine from hell" have the proxy settings enabled while running the tests?
[16:41] <gatox> i think not.... checking.......
[16:43] <gatox> alecu, nop
[16:44] <alecu> mandel, ping
[16:44] <mandel> alecu, pong
[16:45] <alecu> mandel, so, we should probably redefine the "Webclient.shutdown" method in txweb, so it calls self.connector.disconnect() or something.
[16:45] <mandel> alecu, I'm done that, in briancurtin machine does the trick on gatox it does not since we have to wait for it to really really disconnect
[16:46] <mandel> alecu, so we get back to the issue realted with the 3 deferreds
[16:47] <alecu> mandel, right. We should really be using that for every webclient test that creates a fake webserver.
[16:47] <alecu> mandel, I don't know how much of a change all of that is.
[16:48] <mandel> alecu, so the deal is the following, on glib and qtnetwork we just ensuring that the webserver is correctly cleaned does the trick because the webclient leaves nothing in the reactor, the tx implementation does, which means that there is no solution for all of them
[16:49] <mandel> alecu, if you look at the diff of lp:~mandel/ubuntuone-dev-tools/mocked-webserver you will see the fix that ensures that qt and glib are correctly cleaned
[16:49] <mandel> alecu, and lp:~mandel/ubuntu-sso-client/fix-activation-tests will be with the tcpactivations fixed too
[16:50] <mandel> alecu, all those are based on using lp:~mandel/ubuntuone-dev-tools/mocked-webserver
[16:53] <alecu> mandel, we should not be doing this: self.connections.append(connection)
[16:53] <alecu> mandel, because those "connections" may be long finished
[16:54] <mandel> alecu, that has been written in desperation mode :(
[16:54] <alecu> mandel, oh, ok.
[16:54] <mandel> alecu, those are the only tests failing in gatox machine
[16:55] <mandel> alecu, for just those tests I'd need to patch the server side, the client side and wait for the deferreds to be called, which means that we cannot reuse the parent test case class, not that I'm to worried about that to be honest
[16:55] <alecu> mandel, and does that work?  I mean, the "c.disconnect()" ?
[16:55] <mandel> alecu, no, it does not
[16:56] <alecu> mandel, perhaps shutdown is not being called on cleanup?
[16:56] <mandel> alecu, it is, I pdb into it
[16:56] <alecu> damn.
[16:59] <mandel> alecu, I know how to fix it, but by rewriting the entire test for that, which I think is not a good idea because it would be optimum to use the same tests for all webclients and not have the tx implementation to be diff
[17:01] <alecu> mandel, how would those tests differ?
[17:01] <alecu> mandel, can you write just one?
[17:02] <mandel> alecu, sure, give me some time, the hard stuff is the setup :)
[17:11] <dobey> hrmm
[17:47] <mandel> I've got to do some errands
[17:47] <mandel> will be back in 5 min
[17:57] <mandel> alecu, briancurtin, gatox, ralsina I'm a little block and close to EOD, I'm going to walk the dog to see if I get some ideas
[17:57] <briancurtin> mandel: enjoy
[17:57] <gatox> alecu, not done.... i've fighting all this time with something really weird, that if i don't call the connect on the __init__ some stuff stays in None... i'm trying to fix that yet..... just a heads up
[17:57] <gatox> mandel, ack
[17:58] <ralsina> mandel: cool
[17:58] <alecu> gatox, ok
[18:32] <gatox> creating an installer everytime you want to test something in a branch....... FUN NOT
[18:41] <ralsina> gatox: yes, we should make it work from sources again, but it's a pain
[18:42] <ralsina> gatox: not being able to execute .py files == sucks :-/
[18:42] <gatox> ralsina, no, it's not that..... the problem is that is only reproducible with the installer...... i'm just testing stuff from u1-client
[18:42] <ralsina> gatox: oh. Really?
[18:42] <ralsina> gatox: :-(
[18:43] <gatox> ralsina, yapppp..... that's why is reallyyyyyy slow to test this and see if it breaks anything else (like now :P)
[18:59] <dobey> why is there an ubuntuone/platform/windows/pyinotify.py in ubuntuone-client? :(
[19:04] <dobey> anyone?
[19:04] <beuno> dobey, I'll take "Things thathappen while drunk" for $100
[19:05] <gatox> dobey, i assume that it is there to "simulate" the same behaviour in windows, that pyinotify does in linux
[19:06] <gatox> and probably you would import something like: from u1.platform import pyinotify..... and is going to be valid for windows and linux
[19:06] <dobey> oh, i guess it's MIT
[19:06] <gatox> dobey, mit?
[19:06] <dobey> license
[19:06] <gatox> ah
[19:13] <ralsina> Have to do school run, will be back in a bit
[19:13] <gatox> ack
[19:31] <briancurtin> anyone have a tip on where would be the best place to shorten file paths for tests? these tritcask ones are too long, and it looks like they're already shortened from some place (eg some test names in the path look to be cut off)
[19:32] <dobey> briancurtin: this is on windows i presume?
[19:36] <briancurtin> dobey: yeah
[19:39] <dobey> how long are the paths if they're ending up as too long?
[19:40] <briancurtin> dobey: the one i'm looking at is 266 long. 255 is max
[19:41] <dobey> briancurtin: hrmm. that is pretty long, yeah. do you have a long branch nick for your branch or something?
[19:44] <briancurtin> dobey: ah yeah, i guess the path leading into the test folder is kind of long. i could restructure things a bit and save some chars and see if i can keep it consistently under
[19:46] <dobey> briancurtin: well, you are lucky that you get to use 255 chars. no unix sockets
[19:51] <ralsina> briancurtin: ask verterok, but there is a magical constant that makes tritcask's filenames shorter on tests (within reason ;-)
[19:52] <briancurtin> ralsina: i did have a kind of long path leading up to the branch so that might save me for a bit, but i'll check with him and see for the future
[19:58] <verterok> ralsina,  the "magic" value is in the base testcase...let me check
[19:58] <verterok> briancurtin: ^
[20:02] <verterok> briancurtin, ralsina: tmpdir property in contrib/testing/testcase.py @ line 303
[20:02] <briancurtin> verterok: cool, thanks!
[20:03] <gatox> ok..... eod here...... this is almost working.... almost! i'll keep working on this bug tomorrow! see you!
[20:11] <dobey> wow it's 1610 already here :-/
[20:52] <consindo> How does Ubuntu One deal with conflicts?
[20:52] <beuno> consindo, it renames the files to .conflict
[20:53] <salgado> .u1conflict, no?
[20:53] <consindo> If we're adding sync in to our app, would it be possible for the data to be sent off to an external server to be merged and then saved to Ubuntu One?
[20:54] <beuno> consindo, pretty sure you could yes
[20:55] <consindo> Ok, does Ubuntu One store revisions of files?
[20:56] <beuno> consindo, not at the moment, no
[20:57] <aquarius> consindo, heya
[20:57] <aquarius> sorry
[20:57] <aquarius> consindo, was afk briefly :)
[20:57] <aquarius> consindo, so, there are two ways we could look at nitro syncing with U1
[20:58] <aquarius> consindo, I've been looking at the nitro code, and adding a new storage backend is just a case of providing my own $.jStorage implementation, yes?
[20:58] <consindo> aquarius, yes
[20:58] <dobey> what is nitro?
[20:59] <aquarius> dobey, task manager. See nitrotasks.com
[20:59] <aquarius> consindo, so, there are two approaches that can be taken for storing data in Ubuntu One
[20:59] <dobey> this screams u1db
[20:59] <aquarius> consindo, the existing file sync, which is what you'd use to sync your documents and photos and so on with all your machines -- this is good for things like photos and documents and music, but for rapidly changing conflicting data it's not ideal
[21:00] <aquarius> consindo, the second approach is u1db, the Ubuntu One synced database
[21:00] <aquarius> consindo, http://voices.canonical.com/ubuntuone/2011/12/22/u1db-technical-preview-release-tell-us-what-you-think/ is a summary of the preview release of u1db
[21:01] <aquarius> consindo, I was planning on sitting down today and writing a u1db backend for nitro, but I saw that you're already working on some other sort of syncing mechanism yourselves, and so I wanted to chat it over with you
[21:02] <aquarius> consindo, u1db is designed for this sort of data; conflicts are handled properly, the data is synced on your command, only the changes are sent, you can have revision history if you want it, it's JSON-based and usable from any language, and so on :)
[21:02] <aquarius> consindo, and it means that you don't have to invent your own syncing thing and deal with all the corner cases :)
[21:02] <dobey> *please* choose the u1db
[21:02] <thisfred> it farts rainbows
[21:02] <dobey> basically
[21:03] <aquarius> consindo, there's a standalone u1db server, too, so if people wanted they could run their own nitro sync server; I know some people prefer running their own services to using a cloud account that comes with their machine
[21:04] <consindo> consindo, great! What about people that don't want to use Ubuntu one?
[21:04] <consindo> aquarius, Mac Users etc
[21:04] <aquarius> consindo, see the last thing about the standalone u1db server; if someone doesn't want to use Ubuntu One they can happily run their own server if that's what they like doing
[21:04] <thisfred> aquarius: the only man that can reply faster than his own shadow :)
[21:05] <consindo> aquarius, So we can add in some code to merge data?
[21:05] <aquarius> consindo, u1db isn't platform-specific; you can have an Ubuntu One account (and therefore u1db storage) whichever platform you're on. Ubuntu One's on Windows, Ubuntu, Android, iOS, coming to the Mac...
[21:05] <aquarius> and you don't need to use U1 file sync to use u1db
[21:06] <aquarius> consindo, indeed you can add code to merge data. If someone makes conflicting edits to a task list (say, on two different machines) you can get both versions from u1db, and then logic in nitro itself can merge those edits, or ask the user, or choose one, whichever you prefer
[21:07] <aquarius> and a web-based Nitro can connect to the user's U1 account and show their tasks exactly as a desktop version can
[21:08] <consindo> aquarius, there's a bunch of people asking for different forms of sync. I guess we could add in other service as well
[21:08] <consindo> e.g Dropbox, Google Tasks
[21:08] <aquarius> consindo, that's up to you, of course. If there's a swappable back end then people could write many different syncing things
[21:09] <aquarius> that sounds like a lot of work to me, but it's not my project ;)
[21:10] <aquarius> Ubuntu One file sync does what Dropbox does, so you *could* implement nitro syncing on top of it, but u1db is better because it's designed for this sort of thing and file syncing isn't (conflicts are more of a problem, because you end up having to store your tasks in many separate files, or have *really* complex merging logic)
[21:11] <aquarius> but as I say you could build this on top of Ubuntu One file sync if you wanted -- and again, a web version of Nitro could happily read those task files and present the user's tasks exactly as the desktop app does (and a mobile app would of course work the same way)
[21:13] <consindo> aquarius, u1db is still a technical preview - any idea when it'll be ready?
[21:14] <dobey> consindo: we'll have packages in PPA soon. i don't know when aquarius will have the JS implementation ready though.
[21:14] <aquarius> consindo, ah, now that's the question I was expecting you to ask :) We're still working on the full-on Ubuntu One server implementation, but the standalone server already exists and works fine (so it can be developed against that -- and you'd want to develop against that anyway)
[21:15] <aquarius> consindo, in terms of client libraries, the Python one already exists (so you can have $.jStorage proxy gets and sets back to Python, as you have now), and I'm midway through writing a native JavaScript implementation (so you wouldn't need the Python at all)
[21:15] <dobey> well i'd think he'd want to develop with a JS API, not python (or C) :)
[21:15] <thisfred> C is also 95% done
[21:16] <consindo> aquarius, Yeah, we would want to use a JS API not a python one. The Mac OSX version will be done in Objective-C.
[21:16] <aquarius> consindo, I'd be interested in helping to port nitro to u1db, but since I saw that you guys are working on syncing I wanted to see what your plans were so as we fit together :)
[21:17] <consindo> aquarius, We were planning on using node.js + redis. Does u1db have a REST api?
[21:17] <aquarius> consindo, it does indeed
[21:17] <aquarius> consindo, the advantage with using u1db is that you guys don't necessarily have to spend your lives sysadminning a popular server and can concentrate on making a fantastic tasks app
[21:19] <aquarius> consindo, but as I say that's up to you, of course. :)
[21:20] <consindo> aquarius, I don't think people will even trust us with their data - We're still students.
[21:20] <aquarius> consindo, another advantage :)
[21:20] <aquarius> consindo, if they're storing data in their personal cloud then it's still *their* data; you don't have to worry about how to handle data export, what to do about data from other countries, etc, etc
[21:20] <aquarius> We do that, so you don't have to :)
[21:21] <consindo> aquarius, u1db sounds like a great idea. We'll play around with it and hopefully we'll be able to use it =)
[21:21] <consindo> I think the advantages outweigh the disadvantages
[21:22] <dobey> yay u1db
[21:22] <aquarius> consindo, excellent. How can I help?
[21:22] <dobey> finish the JS implementation! :)
[21:23] <consindo> aquarius, we have to finish our merging code first. If we run into any problems we'll contact you.
[21:23] <consindo> We'll probably end up using the REST Api
[21:23] <aquarius> consindo, cool. Keep me up to date :)
[21:23] <aquarius> consindo, happy to have a call or whatever to talk it over in more detail
[21:24] <consindo> aquarius, I haven't used Ubuntu one file sync since 2010. Is it much faster now?
[21:24] <dobey> consindo: you'll probably want to use the JS API, as it will use HTML5 storage, and things will "just work" while offline, and you won't have to deal with having to manage your own local storage implementation for it, and all that.
[21:24] <aquarius> consindo, it's much faster now, indeed
[21:25] <dobey> i however, need to run. have a good evening all
[21:25] <aquarius> consindo, yeah, the way u1db works (the JS version, at least) is that it stores the data in localStorage, and then you tell it "sync" whenever you want, and it syncs with the server -- so the u1db implementation itself talks to the REST API, and you always have a local copy of the data to work with
[21:25] <consindo> aquarius, Has the JS API even been started?
[21:25] <aquarius> so everything's fine ofline
[21:25] <aquarius> ya, it's started; I'm working my way through the test suite implementing it :)
[21:27] <consindo> aquarius, thanks. We'll try and finish our merging code in the next few days =)
[21:27] <aquarius> consindo, cool!
[21:27] <consindo> stayradiated, Is there anything else?
[21:30] <consindo> aquarius, I think we're fine. Thanks!
[21:30] <aquarius> excellent. Nice to meet you both :)


[05:47] <TooR4u> how to install ubuntu server ...?
[05:48] <TooR4u> sudo apt-get install .....?
[05:48] <TooR4u> what cmd i have to type to install ubuntu server


[05:32] <JackYu> ypwong, hi, did you send out today's agenda?
[05:54] <ypwong> JackYu, yes
[05:54] <ypwong> JackYu, did you got it?
[05:55] <JackYu> not yet...
[05:55] <JackYu> ok, got
[06:00] <FJKong> hi
[07:00] <smartboyhw> ypwong: How did Alpha 2 go? Happy7
[07:00] <smartboyhw> ?
[07:06] <smartboyhw> Hey JackYu, how is Alpha 2?
[07:09] <Wiky> e...
[07:10] <ypwong> smartboyhw, need to find out the langpack schedule
[07:11] <ypwong> smartboyhw, it's still not up-to-date
[07:11] <ypwong> are you back?
[07:12] <smartboyhw> yes
[07:12] <smartboyhw> langpack?
[07:12] <smartboyhw> Contact dpm
[07:14] <JackYu> smartboyhw, Alpha 2 has been released.
[07:15] <JackYu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/Alpha2/
[07:16] <smartboyhw> JackYu: I mean, no problems with testing or releasing during the week right?
[07:16] <JackYu> smartboyhw, yep:)
[07:17] <JackYu> you were in the holiday last week?
[07:18] <smartboyhw> JackYu: 3 weeks to England for study tour
[07:18] <JackYu> that's great! study or tour?
[07:19] <smartboyhw> "study tour"
[07:20] <JackYu> :)
[07:48] <ypwong> 三周過得好快呢


[11:55] <maro> hi, I have a problem starting dcron 4.4 from upstart - it's a pretty simple job (exec /usr/sbin/dcron -f) and it works from the command line, but it hits the respawn limit if started with upstart
[11:59] <maro> seems setpgid fails
[12:01] <maro> what could be the reason this fails in init's environment but not in my shell?
[15:22] <donEduardo> hi everybody!
[15:23] <donEduardo> is /etc/default/locale the correct way to go if one needs the system locale during an upstart script?
[15:27] <Md> donEduardo: there is no such think as "the system locale", /etc/default/locale is the default locale
[15:29] <donEduardo> Md: hm.... ok.... i got to think about this
[15:30] <Md> probably you are trying to solve the wrong problem
[15:38] <donEduardo> I don't know.... I'm fighting with a problem in mythbackend
[15:39] <donEduardo> if you start this daemon with POSIX-locale, it wont find any media file with non-ascii chars...
[15:39] <donEduardo> as soon as you use a utf8-locale, everything works perfect
[15:48] <donEduardo> so what are you suppesed to do in such a situation?
[22:25] <ion> http://blog.dovecot.org/2010/03/time-to-switch-to-clang.html
[23:14] <Keybuk> if only it would compile Upstart


[17:22] <maverick710> hola gente
[17:22] <maverick710> hi people
[17:22] <maverick710> is any body outhere


[00:03] <miccs> hey, i have a problem with ubuntu 23.10 - it swaps like crazy even that half of my ram is still free - i have minimal swappiness set = 1 (it was working in prior ubuntu releases correctly) - but in 23.10 it doesnt - something changed that doesnt respect this value?
[02:33] <charles> can't upgrade to 23.10.  When I try to, it objects saying "https://packagecloud.io/ookla/speedtest-cli/ubuntuz
[02:33] <charles> " doesn't have something or other.
[02:34] <toddc> lts will only upgrade to lts unless you change options
[02:34] <charles> options on the installer, or options on 3rd party softwares already installed on the machine?
[02:35] <toddc> https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/upgrade-introduction
[02:36] <charles> thanks I'll read it
[02:37] <toddc> the desktop also has a gui software and updates change longterm to for any new version
[02:37] <leftyfb> charles: in order to upgrade, you need to remove all 3rd party repositories. Sometimes the packages as well
[02:38] <toddc> do all updates brfore starting any version upgrade
[02:38] <leftyfb> step #1 : remove all 3rd party repositories
[02:52] <charles> thank you
[02:54] <ravage> step #1 : backup :)
[03:34] <Your_Dog> anybody having problems with latest pycharm on snap?
[03:36] <JanC> what sort of problems?
[03:38] <Your_Dog> critical error
[03:38] <JanC> are these official snaps from PyCharm upstream?
[03:38] <Your_Dog> Seems like its having problems looking at the plugins I have previously installed
[03:38] <Your_Dog> Yes
[03:38] <Your_Dog> imma try reinstalling
[03:39] <ag> hello
[03:39] <JanC> maybe try re-installing or updating the plugins also? (or start without them)
[03:40] <JanC> maybe the plugins are not compatible with the newer version (yet?)?
[03:40] <Your_Dog> just reinstalled, didnt work seems like the settings persists somewhere outside of the snap package
[03:40] <JanC> ugh
[03:41] <Your_Dog> i know, its fun lmao (no not really)
[03:41] <JanC> maybe under ~/.config or ~/.local ?
[03:41] <Your_Dog> https://www.jetbrains.com/help/pycharm/uninstall.html#standalone
[03:41] <Your_Dog> yeah
[03:41] <Your_Dog> .config, .local and .cache says here
[03:42] <JanC> I'd first try deleting anything related under ~/.cache then
[03:43] <JanC> then the others
[03:44] <Your_Dog> ok now it works
[03:44] <JanC> well, that's good news  :)
[03:45] <Your_Dog> normally jetbrains updates the plugins along with the client update, what probably happened here is that the client update ahead of the plugins and caused that, lol
[03:45] <JanC> because they happen out-of-band
[03:45] <Your_Dog> yep
[03:45] <JanC> using separate update mechanisms
[03:45] <Your_Dog> oh
[03:46] <Your_Dog> im stupid, i forgot u can also revert the snap to a prev revision
[03:46] <Your_Dog> smh
[03:46] <Your_Dog> oh well
[03:46] <Your_Dog> its just a theme and codeglancepro i have installed so no biggie
[03:46] <Your_Dog> lol
[03:46] <JanC> well, that is probably not so useful if you want the new version
[03:47] <Your_Dog> hmmh true
[03:52] <GBGames> I recently started experience a problem with my laptop, and I wonder if it is tied to a recent update? First, when I use OBS, the color for the camera seems tinted yellow. Second, now my bluetooth keyboard shows connected in Bluetooth Devices, but the keyboard doesn't seem to be actually working.
[03:52] <GBGames> I know the keyboard has worked on a different laptop just fine, and it has worked on this laptop fine before today.
[03:53] <GBGames> Oh, I'm using Ubuntu 20.04 LTS.
[04:04] <GBGames> https://ubuntu.com/security/notices/USN-6540-1 Well, I wonder if this fix broke my functionality? "It was discovered that BlueZ did not properly restrict non-bonded devices
[04:04] <GBGames> from injecting HID events into the input subsystem. "
[04:05] <JanC> eh, I would certainly assume that only properly bonded devices would be able to work?
[04:09] <spicecode> hi
[04:10] <GBGames> I guess I don't know what would make my keyboard bonded or not. It's a Logitech K380, and usually I press and hold one of the three buttons to let me connect to one of three devices. Then on my laptop in Bluetooth Manager, I right click on the keyboard entry and click Connect.
[04:11] <GBGames> And in the past, that was all I needed to do, but now it looks connected as far as my laptop is concerned but it seems to be ignoring any keypresses as if it isn't connected.
[04:14] <GBGames> I can confirm that other Bluetooth devices work, such as my headset.
[05:20] <dragonflame1010> hello everyone
[05:23] <matsaman> hi dragon
[05:29] <Guest287> Laptop
[05:36] <dragonflame1010> yoo
[05:36] <Guest195> hello
[05:37] <sai> hi
[06:08] <k4k0> Good evening to all friends present.
[06:08] <k4k0> I would like to know if I could clarify any doubts with you about why my nginx server is not reading .php files if I have already installed php on the server. (if you can address this subject here)
[06:10] <rbox> because you didn't follow instructions for configuring nginx to use php
[06:12] <k4k0> I did this according to a digitalocean tutorial
[06:31] <nshirelaptop> I can't seem to kill unattended-upgr
[06:32] <nshirelaptop> systemctl stop unattended-upgrades never terminated, still on blinking cursor
[08:02] <Yakov> how to install steam game for windows on ubuntu with wine?
[08:02] <Yakov> $ wine steam: 0024:err:module:process_init L"C:\\windows\\system32\\steam.exe" not found
[08:03] <CosmicDJ> Yakov: try proton first https://ubuntu.com/blog/linux-gaming-with-ubuntu-desktop-steam-and-proton
[08:03] <Yakov> what is it?
[08:04] <CosmicDJ> Yakov: it's basically wine but nicely integrated into steam
[08:33] <fling> which 6.1 kernel tree has shiftfs?
[08:33] <fling> I want to cherry pick the patches
[08:33] <fling> https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel-test/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/mainline-crack
[08:33] <fling> not this one ^
[08:34] <fling> I don't even see shiftfs removal in git log in cod/mainline/v6.1.66
[08:34] <fling> halp :D
[10:49] <younder> My system went straight to hell after the last reboot. Won't boot normally. I have get the boot menu then select secure boot. After installing Ubuntu stock nvidia pacages I get it to boot form secure mode. I still can  not turn on the screen saver or it ignores keyboard output. Fuck!
[10:50] <younder> Still it boots after continue from the secure menu. And here I am.
[10:51] <younder> WTF happened here?
[10:52] <younder> Pardon the language.
[10:56] <Yakov> how to connect to libera chat? https://ibb.co/Jc1skTV
[10:56] <younder> When booting from secure mode the output is normal and in 3440x1440 resolution. Not Noveaux
[10:57] <younder> Yasov: welcome to libera chat
[10:58] <Yakov> I use qiwi client, but I want to connect with app
[10:59] <younder> Why when you can connect from EMACS with a simple irc'  command
[11:00] <younder> Irc is a old clunky protocol invented by a fin. Not twitch or whatever the cool kids use these days.
[11:03] <younder> Libera is like freebee central. The default in emacs
[11:05] <Yakov> because I need to store history
[11:05] <Yakov> irc is masterpiece
[11:06] <younder> Linux was also initiated by a fin..
[11:08] <younder> It is usually the channel provider that logs. At any rate the buffer is a kind of log. What is your need exactly?
[11:09] <Yakov> Linux or Unix?
[11:11] <younder> linux
[11:13] <younder> Linus started a garage project that grew way over his head. But luckily he grew with it.
[11:15] <younder> What do you need when things grow over you head you say. More heads obviously. And a drum to keep them marching as one. That drum thing is the big surprise here
[11:16] <younder> He kept the community together
[11:18] <lotuspsychje> !discuss
[12:20] <jailbreak> Hi all
[13:37] <lorainelink> heyyy
[14:01] <skdj> ubuntu 23.10 ns3 in repos does what?
[14:01] <Habbie> Description: discrete-event network simulator for Internet systems
[14:02] <leftyfb> skdj: apt-cache show ns3
[14:02] <leftyfb> skdj: https://www.nsnam.org/   # first result on google for "ns3"
[14:05] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:16] <skdj> I don't understand what apt-get install ns3 does doesn't appear to install anything.  better off downloading the tarbell from their website and building manually.  wouldn't it be identified as a placeholder package if it was?
[14:19] <skdj> installs only the libraries?
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> skdj: if you want the volunteers to help you, you could !paste what you're doing exactly so they can help think along
[14:20] <leftyfb> skdj: not knowing anything about ns3 and not reading any of the documentation for it, I can count 6 ns3* binaries in my path after installing ns3
[14:20] <ravage> https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy/amd64/ns3/filelist
[14:21] <leftyfb> skdj: what exactly are you expecting to happen when you install ns3?
[14:21] <Habbie> however, https://packages.ubuntu.com/mantic/amd64/ns3/filelist
[14:21] <leftyfb> skdj: from https://www.nsnam.org/docs/release/3.40/tutorial/html/quick-start.html#brief-summary  : "ns-3 is a discrete-event simulator typically run from the command line. It is written directly in C++, not in a high-level modeling language; simulation events are simply C++ function calls, organized by a scheduler."
[14:22] <Habbie> 'bench-packets' is not in any other mantic package either
[14:22] <Habbie> (i also know nothing about ns3 so perhaps this has a reason)
[14:23] <leftyfb> Habbie: ns3.35-bench-packets is installed with ns3 on jammy
[14:23] <Habbie> on jammy, yes, but not on mantic
[14:23] <Habbie> and skdj asked about mantic
[14:26] <leftyfb> it looks like these get installed on mantic: # ls /usr/libexec/ns3/
[14:26] <leftyfb> ns3.39-raw-sock-creator  ns3.39-tap-creator  ns3.39-tap-device-creator
[14:26] <Habbie> indeed
[15:24] <mzoku> usb drive randomly getting mounted while left in the usb slot, what could be?
[15:25] <mzoku> I am just getting the notification "your drive is ready"
[15:25] <zaggynl> check kernel messages but sounds like a malfunctioning drive
[15:26] <mzoku> I hope its not, and its fairly new. How check and grep messages in the kernal for the usb drive?
[15:33] <zaggynl> mzoku: sudo dmesg -wH
[15:33] <Teridon> Ubuntu 20.04 system with the similar issue as described here:  https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/724678/why-does-grub-fail-to-auto-boot-when-no-keyboard-is-connected .  What I'm actually seeing is that the menu entry _changes_ automatically (with no keyboard connected)  https://youtu.be/puONGGmeLDo
[15:34] <mzoku> zaggynl, I see few times "Buffer I/O error on dev dm-0, logical block 7372800, lost sync page write"
[15:35] <mzoku> Teridon, thanks, ill check
[15:39] <Teridon> mzoku: my message didn't have anything to do with your problem
[15:39] <Teridon> I'm asking for help for my own problems ;)
[15:40] <mzoku> good luck then :)
[15:48] <zaggynl> mzoku: is it a flash drive or a spinning hdd?
[15:48] <mzoku> its a flash drive 3.0
[15:56] <lubuntu_newbie_9> hello I need some help on lubuntu, is this the correct chat?
[15:57] <WaV> lubuntu_newbie_9: yes. There is also a channel specifically for lubuntu I believe, but your question can also be asked here if you'd like.
[15:57] <fweht> when i do "save as" in firefox, why dont i have the same folders as in a files window, including recent or starred?  it only shows me the bookmarked folders but nothing else :(
[16:01] <lubuntu_newbie_9> thank you. I installed LU 22.04, under a username without a password. then I installed a vnc server. then I realized I wanted an X?? instaed of VNC, so I tried to uninstall it. Now on reboot, I get this weird screen, blue bkgrnd with lubunut logo and face icon with username and text box to enter password and a virtual keyboard pops up. but I can't seem to get past this login since username has no pwd. I am using a live cdrom
[16:01] <lubuntu_newbie_9> right now to chat. can anyone suggest keywords that I can use to google how to fix this. I don't know what this screen is...
[16:03] <lubuntu_newbie_9> is this interface named LXQt ?
[16:03] <leftyfb> lubuntu_newbie_9: when did you install this and why/how did you go through the stock install process without setting a password? I'm pretty sure the install requires settings password.
[16:04] <arraybolt3_tl> 22.04 didn't require a password.
[16:04] <arraybolt3_tl> (Luunbut 22.04 to be specific, other versions might have required one)
[16:04] <arraybolt3_tl> *Lubuntu
[16:05] <arraybolt3_tl> wow talk about a typo
[16:05] <arraybolt3_tl> lubuntu_newbie_9: You should be able to just press Enter to log in when you're in this state, I think? If it's not working you might have uninstalled something important.
[16:06] <arraybolt3_tl> In that instance, I'd bind-mount /dev, /dev/pts, /proc, and /sys into your installed system, then chroot in and run `sudo apt install lubuntu-desktop`. I don't have time to walk you through that, but someone else here might.
[16:07] <lubuntu_newbie_9> thank you i have tried to press enter but it doesn't do anything, it is acting as if it won't accept a keypress if that pwd textbox is blank / empty...
[16:08] <lubuntu_newbie_9> thank arraybolt3, i will google those commands to learn how to do that..
[16:55] <vadique> hi everyone
[16:56] <vadique> how can I disable any effect of any pushing on the windoze logo key in ubuntu, like no numbers in dock after windoze + q and so on
[16:57] <leftyfb> vadique: huh?
[16:58] <leftyfb> oh, the "windows" key on the keyboard
[16:58] <leftyfb> vadique: you can maybe override the keyboard shortcut but that's going to disable a lot of shortcuts that use the windows(super) key
[16:59] <vadique> leftyfb, yeah that useless no one will ever need it key
[16:59] <vadique> I wonder why is it on the keyboard
[16:59] <leftyfb> vadique: that's not true at all. It's used in multiple keyboard shortcuts
[16:59] <vadique> and how to override what you said
[17:00] <leftyfb> vadique: https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/shell-keyboard-shortcuts.html.en   this isn't even all of them but as you can see, there are multiple shortcuts that uses the "super" key
[17:01] <leftyfb> vadique: to be clear, that key on the keyboard, while it might have a Microsoft Windows logo on it, in the Ubuntu world, it has absolutely nothing to do with Windows and is utilized in many places
[17:02] <vadique> yeah especially + L (why I tried)
[17:02] <vadique> leftyfb, how to remap the "Super key" to say Escape key or that useless one on the right showing a menu
[17:03] <leftyfb> vadique: https://linux.how2shout.com/how-to-disable-super-or-win-key-in-ubuntu-20-04-or-18-04/   2nd main result on google when searching for ""ubuntu disable windows key"
[17:03] <leftyfb> vadique: none of the keys on the keyboard are "useless". But good luck disable half the useful shortcuts
[17:04] <vadique> leftyfb, but "On Additional Layout Options, select Alt/Win key behavior settings and then the “Meta is mapped to Win” option." is what I already did before joining this chat
[17:04] <vadique> I wish to change "super" to "escape" okay
[17:05] <vadique> and mapping it to meta doesn't cancel mapping it to super
[17:05] <vadique> "close the Gnome Tweaks and you will see both left and right Super or Win logo keys are disabled and will not functions anymore on your Ubuntu Linux system" is false / well, maybe it's true after rebooting or such, but i dont wanna reboot
[17:13] <vadique> xmodmap gives --> mod4        Meta_L (0x85),  Meta_R (0x86),  Meta_L (0xcd),  Super_L (0xce),  Hyper_L (0xcf)
[17:14] <garrettkajmowicz> If I am doing a test/build/package/install loop for software in a Ubuntu Debian package, what's the best command line to run which won't cause the Debian tools to delete my code changes? I've checked out the ubuntu/jammy branch of valgrind and want to make some changes to the valgrind code itself (not just the packaging). I'm running tests in a Docker container so the easiest way to move things around is as a .deb
[17:14] <garrettkajmowicz> package.
[17:15] <leftyfb> vadique: you can't remap the windows key like that
[17:16] <vadique> leftyfb, okay to "menu key"
[17:16] <vadique> or disable at all
[17:16] <leftyfb> vadique: you can't remap the windows key using xmodmap
[17:16] <leftyfb> you can only specify what program/action runs when you press it
[17:17] <leftyfb> in the keyboard shortcuts settings
[17:19] <younder> OK I am one of those idiots that redefine global key-maps so they better fit Emacs. I use Tweak Tools
[17:19] <leftyfb> younder: you can't remap the Windows key
[17:20] <leftyfb> wait, I might be thinking of the function key
[17:20] <younder> Nor should you. It is too essential.. Settle for Alt+Space and the like
[17:21] <leftyfb> yeah, but vadique doesn't see to car about functionality and just wants it gone
[17:21] <leftyfb> vadique: https://askubuntu.com/questions/137172/how-to-remap-super-left-key-to-control-key
[17:21] <vadique> xmodmap -e "remove mod4 = Super_L"
[17:21] <vadique> now it gives --> mod4        Meta_L (0x85),  Meta_R (0x86),  Meta_L (0xcd)
[17:22] <vadique> leftyfb, I found that article before you did :)
[17:22] <vadique> but after that, just touching windoze & L logs me out
[17:23] <leftyfb> don't touch super+L
[17:23] <vadique> I switched superization off
[17:24] <vadique> I just want all meta+L meta+Q meta+N meta+themall to never do anything other than just meta+something
[17:24] <leftyfb> vadique: set a shortcut for something else for super+L
[17:25] <leftyfb> why?
[17:26] <vadique> leftyfb, how to quickly disable all these shortcuts?
[17:27] <leftyfb> vadique: why do you need to disable all the shortcuts?
[17:27] <vadique> leftyfb, all related to that key at least, print for capturing the screen is okay
[17:27] <leftyfb> why?
[17:29] <vadique> leftyfb, because I'm emulating Mac OS 9 (it's 1997 yeah) in Qemu and it sends Meta as Command key to the guest (emulated) machine, and I can't use Mac OS 9 without the command (apple) key
[17:30] <vadique> thus I want to leave meta+N (new), meta+S (save), meta+Q (quit), et cetera
[17:32] <ash_worksi> if a network is unavailable and `apt install ...` attempts to fetch a package, does that mean it cannot be installed from cache?
[17:32] <younder> vadique is there any chance of persuading you to let the Windows key be?
[17:33] <leftyfb> ash_worksi: it should be able to install from the cache. Or you can just use dpkg on those cached files
[17:33] <ravage> ash_worksi: it means it is not cached
[17:34] <vadique> phew https://ibb.co/SPpwrkT
[17:35] <younder> vadique after all noone uses the space-kadet keyboard anymore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-cadet_keyboard
[17:36] <vadique> well, disabling all in "system" and "windows" was enough
[17:39] <younder> Ritchard Stallman wrote it on lisp machine in 1984 a very long time ago. The world has moved on.
[17:39] <leftyfb> younder: wrong channel?
[17:42] <ash_worksi> leftyfb: just for my information, is `dpkg -i network-manager` yeilding error "file not found" further evidence the package is not in cache?
[17:42] <ash_worksi> (even though I saw your comment, ravage :))
[17:42] <leftyfb> ash_worksi: that's because there's no cached file called "network-manager"
[17:42] <younder> apparently Emacs is also GNU
[17:46] <vadique> command+Q still doesn't work ... where it can be disabled
[17:47] <vadique> I mean, capturing it by something between me and qemu
[17:50] <ash_worksi> leftyfb: so "Yes"
[18:20] <vadique> I switchd off almost anything in navigation, but meta+Q is captured anyway
[18:21] <vadique> mmm? https://askubuntu.com/questions/977876/changing-command-super-q
[18:21] <vadique> yeah, "gsettings set org.gnome.shell.extensions.dash-to-dock hot-keys false" works
[18:22] <vadique> and finally, now I can use qemu, again
[18:22] <vadique> weeeeeeeehaaaw
[19:05] <dreamcat4> hi! i am looking for the location of the alsa config file?
[19:05] <dreamcat4> can't find it (23.04(
[19:32] <eelstrebor> i'm having trouble with pairing bluetooth devices with my PC. from what i gather, it's an issue with bluetooth 5 and that an upgrade of pulseaudio should fix this or building the latest pulseaudio (which i can't seem to accomplish). how do i resolve this? Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS
[22:24] <explodes> Any suggestions on where to ask about a linux host (Ubuntu) not being detected for steam remote play?
[22:24] <explodes> Booting the same host into windows works fine
[22:33] <JanC> don't Valve have support forums or chat for Steam?
[22:34] <explodes> They do
[23:06] <explodes> Looks like Remote Play VR is NOT supported on linux. Don't know why I didn't see this ~1 hr ago when I started trying to troubleshoot :|
[23:21] <tomreyn> eelstrebor: most of the time: a well supported external (USB) bluetooth dongle
[23:35] <younder> Gilbert has a Lisp Machine running in WASM..
[23:38] <tomreyn> younder: did you hit the wrong channel? ubuntu support only here, please. thanks.
[23:50] <younder> sorry..