[00:50] <diddledan_> brobostigon: it's not boring, it's methodical and builds momentun
[00:50] <diddledan_> momentum*
[00:50] <diddledan_> I'm betting they didn't wait till the end with comments like that
[00:51] <mapps> of what ?
[00:51] <mapps> emd of?
[00:51] <diddledan_> mapps: 2001
[01:17] <diddledan_> speaking of 2k1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3rDfRF_650
[01:41] <webpigeon> selinuxium: https://www.linux.com/news/enterprise/systems-management/873287-getting-started-with-docker
[04:20] <diddledan_> don't you love that? technicolor have a demonstration of the difference between a certified display and an uncertified display. I'm viewing it on an uncertified display yet somehow they think I can see the quality of their certified displays by viewing an image of it on an uncertified display
[04:20] <diddledan_> http://www.technicolor.com/en/solutions-services/technology/technology-licensing/image-color/color-certification/color-certification-process/color-spaces
[04:38] <zmoylan-1i> put the screen on an approved photocopier and print the results :-)
[04:39] <diddledan_> it's like showing the difference between whitening toothpaste and non-whitening by painting teeth for the photo of non-whitened
[04:41]  * zmoylan-1i wonders how many people are looking at tvs that are running at well lower than their top res as they don't know the difference
[04:44] <mapps> hi all
[04:44] <mapps> whos still up
[04:44] <diddledan_> not me
[04:46] <mapps> :D
[04:52] <mapps> gah
[04:52] <mapps> gonna have to buy some mosuqito nets
[04:52] <mapps> sick of getting bitten
[04:57] <mapps> reallu want to open the windows
[05:02] <mapps> hmm thogght was last ep this week
[05:36] <mapps> anyone watch luther
[05:48] <diddledan_> I've not seen this week's
[05:48] <mapps> first ep:D
[08:09] <selinuxium> webpigeon, Cheers
[08:15] <diddledan_> someone says of their missus seeing start warts last night: "3am sandra comes to bed and says 'great film until they....<insert spoiler here>'"
[08:16] <diddledan_> (I've edited it slightly to remove any potential spoiler - the actual tweet included a bit more but not a full-on spoiler)
[08:17] <diddledan_> this person was bemoaning the spoiler he was subjected to
[08:22] <pwaring> diddledan_: I saw that too (revk)
[08:22] <diddledan_> yup
[08:24] <mapps> argh
[08:24] <mapps> cant sleep
[08:38]  * diddledan_ didn't try
[09:05] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:11] <diddledan_> morning, davmor2
[09:15] <diddledan_> lol: https://twitter.com/virginmedia/status/677416713726517248
[09:17] <davmor2> hehehe
[09:18]  * davmor2 notes the tumbleweeds rollin around in here too
[09:18] <diddledan_> :-)
[09:22] <davmor2> diddledan_: have a play with google.co.uk test your knowledge of mozart :)
[09:24] <diddledan_> lol
[09:28] <diddledan_> three down
[09:30] <diddledan_> four - got that first time
[09:30] <diddledan_> yey I won
[09:31] <diddledan_> only the second one took more than one try :-)
[09:33] <mapps> still cany
[09:33] <mapps> arrgh this sucks
[09:33] <mapps> diddledan_ dont you find you go past it and struggle to sleep?
[09:33] <diddledan_> mapps: I don't sleep :-p
[09:34] <diddledan_> mapps: ok that's a lie. I don't sleep and then I sleep lots
[09:34] <diddledan_> maybe I should be on martian days?
[09:34] <mapps> how long you been up
[09:34] <diddledan_> since about 2pm yesterday
[09:35] <diddledan_> yesterday was a a day where I slept lots :-)
[09:36] <mapps> ;]
[09:36] <davmor2> diddledan_: man you need a job again dude, I think popey was after a footstool and coffee maker ;)
[09:38] <diddledan_> lol
[09:40] <diddledan_> speaking of popey, ubuntu podcast has just been uploaded?
[09:41] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Thursday, and happy Wright Brothers Day! ✈
[09:42]  * diddledan_ sticks his arms out to the side and yells "NNNNNYYYYEEEEEOOOOOOWWWWWW"
[09:42] <mapps> ah i assumed diddledan_ worked from home
[09:43] <diddledan_> I do/did
[09:43] <mapps> =]
[09:43] <diddledan_> xmas pressie from boss was a kind "we don't got no work"
[09:44] <diddledan_> I'm mulling over possibilities for striking-out onn my own
[09:45] <diddledan_> if I can make it pay my thinking right now is to do kinda short-form web-dev training video series
[09:46] <davmor2> JamesTait: these seem apt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIQn8pab8Vc  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RouQ5gAngk
[09:46] <diddledan_> davmor2: awesome choices
[09:47] <foobarry> nagios: anyone know how i can switch from mk-livestatus to check-mk-livestatus seamlessly?
[09:48] <diddledan_> foobarry: change all your nrpe configs to include both, then change the nagios config to the new name and restart the daemon, finally once that's had time to propagate you can remove the older nrpe definition
[09:49] <foobarry> thanks diddledan_ i'll hold over till after xmas and put a cron job in to rstart nagios every night instead until then
[09:49] <diddledan_> ouch
[09:49] <foobarry> got a bug that stops nagios each night
[09:50] <diddledan_> dang, that's not fun
[09:50] <JamesTait> davmor2, I 'ate that duck!
[09:50] <davmor2> JamesTait: You like the dance remix then :D
[09:53] <diddledan_> yey for american politics: http://www.wired.com/2015/12/congress-slips-cisa-into-omnibus-bill-thats-sure-to-pass/
[10:05] <mapps> ;]
[10:18] <davmor2> and at this point all the geeks and terrorists move to owncloud in a country that cares not one bit for americas security bills
[10:18] <diddledan_> like britain.. oh wait
[10:19] <bashrc> yey for owncloud
[10:19] <diddledan_> or france? no, just as bad
[10:19] <davmor2> diddledan_: no we have gchq they've been spying on us all for decades that's what they do :)
[10:19] <diddledan_> swissroll land?
[10:19] <davmor2> diddledan_: sealand
[10:20] <diddledan_> is that still a thing?
[10:20] <bashrc> I don't think the kind of bulk surveillance has been possible until the last 5-10 years. In the olden days there just wasn't the storage/compute capacity
[10:20] <zmoylan-pi> the british government has been spying since forever.  it's what they do.  your job is to make the spying irrelevent by filling their databases with crap.
[10:21] <bashrc> so GCHQ were probably always spying on *some* people, but not the entire population
[10:21] <diddledan_> zmoylan-pi: yeah but we're not all terrorists like you
[10:21] <zmoylan-pi> gchq used to monitor all phone calls/faxes in ireland in mid 80s.  nothing new here. just more computers involved is all
[10:21] <diddledan_> oh dang, now you're on a watchlist ;-)
[10:21] <zmoylan-pi> and for all their spying it was useless.  and very very expensive
[10:22] <bashrc> in the 1980s they woldn't have had the storage capacity for phone calls, let alone the compute capacity to do speech analysis
[10:22] <diddledan_> yeah, the unionists carried on uniting, and the ira kept on irishing
[10:22] <diddledan_> and the pira kept on provisioning :-)
[10:23] <zmoylan-pi> i used to love that sinn féin used to have an auction site for buying bugs they had discovered in offices, cars, buildings they used...
[10:23] <diddledan_> bashrc: according to my logic the PIRA had plenty of capacity because they could just provision more :-p
[10:23] <diddledan_> lol
[10:24] <diddledan_> I wonder who mo molem slept with to secure the peace deal?
[10:24] <bashrc> you could do the math. What's the minimum storage for audio. How long is a typical phone call. How many people make calls on a given day
[10:24] <bashrc> I bet it's way beyond the storage capacity of even the best 1980s computers
[10:24] <diddledan_> bashrc: now or then? now nobody makes any phone calls :-p
[10:25] <diddledan_> GCHQ have it easy - the only people using unencrypted comms seem to be the bad guys
[10:25] <zmoylan-pi> and the geeks
[10:25] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:26] <diddledan_> morning, brobostigon
[10:26] <zmoylan-pi> even the ones not programming at night wearing hoodies :-)
[10:26] <diddledan_> how did you know I wear a hoodie?
[10:27] <diddledan_> I must dig-out my guy fawkes mask at some point
[10:27]  * zmoylan-pi reports diddledan_ to the daily mail as evil hacker... :-P
[10:27] <diddledan_> oh thank god for that, I thought I might be in trouble till you said the daily mail
[10:28] <diddledan_> nobody takes that rag seriously :-D
[10:28] <brobostigon> morning diddledan_
[10:28] <zmoylan-pi> they'll start a campaign to install windows vista on your laptop...
[10:28] <diddledan_> awesome!
[10:28] <diddledan_> upgrade ftw!
[10:29] <diddledan_> you can upgrade from 3.1 to vista, right?
[10:29] <zmoylan-pi> or windows me if it's not compatible with vista...
[10:30]  * diddledan_ windows' you as requested
[10:30] <diddledan_> I didn't know that windowsing was a thing
[10:33] <davmor2> diddledan_: 3.1 these are hackers dude they don't need no stinking windows dos all the way ;)
[10:34] <diddledan_> ooh, one of those new fangled commandline thingies?
[10:35] <davmor2> diddledan_: they had to upgrade from punch cards it sounded too violent
[10:35] <diddledan_> I hear hackers love sitting in front of a screen with text scrolling past too quick for a non hacker to read (I guess hackers can somehow absorb it rather than read it)
[10:37] <davmor2> diddledan_: they are used to the matrix single lines of text are so much easier
[10:38] <diddledan_> there's a weird thread on ubuntu-developers mailing list entitled "Backup api"
[10:40] <diddledan_> latest email just arrived - their backup solution using btrfs snapshot mechanism is to copy a set of files into a different folder (which is backed by a btrfs subvolume) and make a btrfs snapshot of _that_ folder rather than the original
[10:40] <diddledan_> seems odd to me
[10:40] <diddledan_> maybe I'm reading it wrong?
[10:41] <davmor2> diddledan_: no I got a what the hell feeling reading it :)
[10:41] <diddledan_> I'm not mad then?
[10:42] <diddledan_> thank god for that. I was worried for a moment.
[10:42] <diddledan_> was all set to phone my doc to get my meds changed :-p

[10:42] <davmor2> Oh no you're mad but not for reading that wrong :P
[10:42] <diddledan_> lol
[10:42] <diddledan_> good point
[10:54] <diddledan_> more flying bricks (for those that love launches): http://spaceflightnow.com/2015/12/17/vs-13-mission-status-center/
[10:55] <diddledan_> this one is launching two galileo satellites (the european equiv to GPS IIRC)
[12:23] <Laney> http://red3blog.tumblr.com/post/135098280942/formeldeharv-i-put-all-i-want-for-christmas-is
[12:30] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[12:31] <bigcalm> Laney: oh my ha!
[12:53] <Azelphur> So, in todays wtf. I noticed my boiler cupboard has a leak, went in there to figure it out, https://owncloud.azelphur.com/index.php/s/Vw1KbY4gK11YtCR
[12:53] <Azelphur> I shit you not, some nutjob built it like this.
[12:56] <ali1234> Azelphur: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Whitefurze-14cm-Clear-Plastic-Funnel/dp/B004XLGX0I
[12:58] <Azelphur> good idea, I have one in my cupboard
[12:59] <ali1234> that green ring on the upper pipe suggests it was connected to something at some time
[13:12] <Azelphur> ali1234: had a look around on the floor and nothing is htere
[13:13] <Azelphur> if there was something there, it must have been removed, probably before I even lived here
[13:17] <popey> did the pipe not just drop due to gravity and poor connection?
[13:17] <popey> if you grab the lower one, can you lift it?
[13:17] <diddledan_> Laney: that's amazingly bad
[13:19] <diddledan_> err
[13:19] <diddledan_> that's a bad bit of gapping
[13:19] <diddledan_> gapping re: Azelphur
[13:23] <Azelphur> popey: looks like you're right and it has fallen out, no easy way to get it in
[13:24] <popey> lift it, shove it back in, put a brick under it to hold it for now
[13:24] <popey> get some plumbers tape to go round the metal pipe and push the bottom one up over it to seal
[13:30] <Myrtti> Azelphur: whaa
[13:51] <foobarry> i have 19.86 to pay back on topcashback. why is it only allowing me to pay 11.64 into my account?
[13:52] <foobarry> Membership Deduction
[13:52] <foobarry> - 8.22
[13:52] <foobarry> whats this swindle?
[13:56] <foobarry> i never signed up for their plus membership
[14:11] <Azelphur> popey: had my dad come over and reattach the pipe properly, it's propped up by a plastic box :)
[14:11] <Azelphur> he had lots of complaints about the shoddy workmanship in that cupboard.
[14:12] <foobarry> dads are great
[14:20] <NotInThere> Should this work with #Ubuntu ? http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00OGT9U2A
[14:20] <NotInThere> I shall check the logs at E. of Day.
[14:23] <Seeker`> Everyone needs to go and see star wars right now
[14:32] <popey> No spoilers
[14:37] <Seeker`> popey: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWWMjdFVEAEi9ml.jpg:large ?
[14:37] <popey> va va voom
[14:37]  * Seeker` saw the midnight showing last night
[14:37] <Seeker`> is good. Go see it now.
[14:38] <SuperEngineer> Star Wars spoilers: the kangeroo learns to swim, the teddy bear gets genitals tatoo'd, the penguins *do* fall over backwards when a plane flies over, ...& Little Red Riding Hood marries the wolf
[14:41] <SuperEngineer> ...and, aparrently, there seems to be a new film release going on [so they say]
[14:43] <Myrtti> SuperEngineer: don't play with it too much, some of freenode staffers are taking a dim view on spoilers...
[14:44] <Myrtti> Seeker`: looks like we've got to wait until 23rd
[14:45] <Seeker`> Myrtti: aww. Why so long?
[14:45] <Myrtti> Seeker`: priorities with life at the moment
[14:45] <Myrtti> I'm just happy we didn't book the midnight show
[14:45] <SuperEngineer> Myrtti, but re the above: it's true.. my dreams prove it
[14:46] <Myrtti> hubby's down with a stomach issue of some kind, he stayed awake last night for hours and we ended up calling 111 for instructions
[14:46] <Seeker`> ouch
[14:46] <Seeker`> he ok?
[14:46] <Myrtti> and I'm on my third night of crappy sleep
[14:46] <Myrtti> yeah, just staying in working from home today, too
[14:47] <Myrtti> speaking of his work... http://www.comparethemarket.com/
[14:47] <Seeker`> hope he gets better soon
[14:47] <Myrtti> or http://www.comparethemarket.com/galactic-insurance/ to be more exact
[14:47] <Myrtti> I certainly hope so too, we've got things to do and places to be
[14:49] <popey> Myrtti, before you joined- <AnttiSaarnio> We have received financing to continue Sailfish OS development from our investors. THIS means that reports about Jolla's death are greatly exaggerated :)
[14:49] <Myrtti> popey: yeah, I heard elsewhere
[14:49] <Myrtti> cybette ♥
[14:49] <popey> heh
[14:49] <Myrtti> I hope it's good news for her
[14:52] <Myrtti> she is in one of my favourite Wedding Photos ♥
[14:59] <popey> those jolla tablets on the chinese site are only 120 quid
[14:59] <popey> clearly means jolla get no revenue from them, but that's cheap
[15:00] <Myrtti> yeah
[15:09] <SuperEngineer> Since Linux Voice completely moved to https from http I can no longer use gpodder to catch their [https] feed, or lifrea for the rss feed on https, or [just tried] rythmbox for the podfeed either... could this be a version prob [all from ubuntu repos, on 14.04.3] or a system prob I've not picked up till now? suggestions welcome.
[15:20] <popey> what error does gpodder give?
[15:21] <SuperEngineer> "Some podcasts could not be added to your list:"
[15:21] <SuperEngineer> https://www.linuxvoice.com/podcast_mp3.rss
[15:22] <SuperEngineer> [still looking for any relevanyt logfile... without much success]
[15:24] <SuperEngineer> and just updated to 3.8.5 - same version as just tried by degville which worked for him... this appears to be a problem at my end therefore [but work out what the heck is going on]
[15:27] <SuperEngineer> https connections fully okay via Firefox etc... it's just gpodder & liferea [& I've tried the podcast via rythmbox, fail]
[15:27] <SuperEngineer> confused
[15:28] <SuperEngineer> Liferea gives: HTTP error code 0: A network error occurred, or the other end closed the connection unexpectedly
[15:38] <SuperEngineer> hmm.. just found [relevasnt? gpodder log... http://paste.ubuntu.com/14074357/
[15:42] <SuperEngineer> gonna try on ubuntu mate partition & see what happens there. bbs
[15:44] <diddledan_> looks like it thinks he's offline
[15:44] <diddledan_> dns issue mayhaps
[16:06] <SuperEngineer> hmmm... just in case you're still available popey - odd! In U-Mate 15.10 no problem found.
[16:06] <SuperEngineer>  In Ubuntu 14.04.3, no go.  This may well be a local [my system] problem but have no clue where to start on this one :(
[16:06] <popey> interesting
[16:08] <popey> could be some python library which needs updating
[16:08] <popey> oooh, I'm getting a flashback
[16:09] <SuperEngineer> ah! I do see python errors mentioned in logs.. but are meaningless to me...
[16:09] <Azelphur> in todays other weird events, https://owncloud.azelphur.com/index.php/s/ITVU0rkCW1MMMGF my head flying hours is greater than my power-on hours
[16:10]  * SuperEngineer hopes for popey flashback
[16:10] <popey> do you have any other ssl feeds?
[16:10] <popey> is that the only one
[16:10] <SuperEngineer> liferea?
[16:11] <SuperEngineer> [which also fails]
[16:12] <SuperEngineer> no other secure feeds on gpodder - all other feeds are http
[16:12] <SuperEngineer> it is the https which fai;ls on both gpodder and liferea
[16:12] <SuperEngineer> ...& rhythmbox
[16:13] <diddledan_> ssl library issues then perchance..
[16:13]  * diddledan_ awaits the utterance of the oracle
[16:14] <diddledan_> (popey)
[16:14]  * SuperEngineer awaits... & hopes
[16:14] <popey> no idea
[16:15] <SuperEngineer> doh!
[16:15] <SuperEngineer> :-D
[16:17] <diddledan_> it might just be that 14.04 was 20 months ago and the ssl landscape has changed so that the ciphers the client is allowing aren't available on the server's allowed
[16:17] <diddledan_> just guessing tho
[16:17] <SuperEngineer> hmmm...
[16:19] <SuperEngineer> contemplating upgrade to 15.10
[16:19] <diddledan_> if you had a buttered filesystem I might risk suggesting doing a full system-wide snapshot and attempting an upgrade to a more recent buntu release to see if that fixes the issue - if it does then file a bug on the 14.04 release and if it doesn't then you can rollback with no ill effects :-)
[16:22] <SuperEngineer> thinks....do I have btrfs or not... no!
[16:23] <SuperEngineer> [I do have btrfd on an external drives partion for my media backups,; but that ain't gonna help really, is it!]
[16:24] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[16:29] <SuperEngineer> what really worries me is that if this a library prob, there are many other LTS users out there.
[16:30] <SuperEngineer> If I could prove a bug, I'd report a bug.
[16:31] <SuperEngineer> The fact that I haven't [yet] heard of anyone else having probbs... worrying.
[16:31] <diddledan_> it's an odd one because we can't be sure exactly where the issue may be.
[16:31] <SuperEngineer> agreed
[16:31] <diddledan_> at least with a crash it's obvious that the program you launched had an issue :-)
[16:33] <diddledan_> I can hear singing
[16:33] <diddledan_> I wonder if the school over the road are having a carol evening?
[16:33] <SuperEngineer> if it's angels singing... run!
[16:33] <SuperEngineer> shout, "I'm alive, I tell you!]
[16:35] <user_3216> knife can not cut without the permission of Allah
[16:36] <user_3216> rulers are not doing Allah is doing
[16:36] <user_3216> governments are not doing Allah is doing
[16:36] <user_3216> sleep is not doing Allah is doing
[16:37]  * foobarry popey
[16:37] <diddledan_> I'm sstarting to dislike heart internet. I asked them to cancel a service and instead of cancelling they asked me why I want to cancel and would I please not cancel. then they left it uncancelled
[16:37] <popey> oh dear
[16:37] <SuperEngineer> zzzzzzzzzzzz.....  popey it's back again!
[16:37] <user_3216> hunger is not doing Allah is doing
[16:38] <popey> go away user_3216
[16:38] <Azelphur> popey: it's a bot
[16:38] <foobarry> kicking is not doing popey is doing
[16:38] <SuperEngineer> it's a bottom
[16:39] <popey> heh
[16:39] <diddledan_> if it's a bot why is it using webirc?
[16:39] <SuperEngineer> webirc is doing, whatitsname is not doing
[16:40] <diddledan_> it does raise a question tho, what constitutes doing allah?
[16:40] <diddledan_> because governments aren't doing him
[16:40] <SuperEngineer> rude!
[16:40] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[16:40] <diddledan_> indeed
[16:41] <popey> moving on
[16:41] <SuperEngineer> wow! have you the seen size of my
[16:41] <SuperEngineer> ....
[16:41] <SuperEngineer> wart
[16:41] <diddledan_> so dominos want me to buy a pizza to celebrate the start warts
[16:41] <SuperEngineer> ;_0
[16:42] <SuperEngineer> the farts awaken?
[16:42] <diddledan_> nothing proves your love for a movie franchise than gluttony
[16:42] <diddledan_> more*
[16:46] <SuperEngineer> Has anybody seen the new StratWarts movie yet?
[16:46] <SuperEngineer> - just checking so I can add to personal ban list until I see it!  ;-)
[16:46] <diddledan_> no :-(
[16:47] <zmoylan-pi> who knew that darth vader would be princess leias dad!!!
[16:47] <diddledan_> zmoylan-pi: I heard that luke is actually anakin and is in fact his own father
[16:48] <zmoylan-pi> accident with faster than light drive and condom again?
[16:48] <zmoylan-pi> and a copy of big 'uns
[16:48] <SuperEngineer> diddledan_, you're saved then, zmoylan-pi at least you didn't give awat the teddy bear's dark secret
[16:48] <diddledan_> yeah. plus regeneration now due to conception while travelling through time with all that wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff
[16:49] <diddledan_> the teddy bear had a huge thingy?
[16:49] <zmoylan-pi> i haven't seen episode 2 or 3 yet... so 7 might take a while
[16:49] <diddledan_> me either
[16:49] <diddledan_> I kinda gave up after 1
[16:49] <zmoylan-pi> jar jar binks made me avoid
[16:49] <diddledan_> 1 ruined it
[16:49] <SuperEngineer> [you know, the one where the teddy bear reveals it is darth vador's great, great, graet grand mother
[16:49] <diddledan_> :-o
[16:50] <diddledan_> so the teddy bear is stuff full of gogo juice?
[16:50] <diddledan_> "I rush in, whip my wand out and fire my magic all over his ass"
[16:50] <SuperEngineer> yup, that & mars bars
[16:51] <diddledan_> gotta love raj
[16:51] <SuperEngineer> ah, BBT at last!
[16:51] <diddledan_> \o/
[16:51] <SuperEngineer> +1
[16:52] <diddledan_> +1.1*10^15
[16:52] <diddledan_> :-p
[16:52] <diddledan_> gotta use scientific notation!
[16:52] <SuperEngineer> [that's not yet proven - it;s only imaginary]
[16:53] <diddledan_> no that's √-1
[16:53] <diddledan_> aka j
[16:53] <zmoylan-pi> i haven't an iota what you're talking about as i don't watch bbt
[16:53] <diddledan_> or i
[16:53] <diddledan_> depending on whether you're talking to a mathematician or an engineer :-)
[16:53] <SuperEngineer> [so... +it/is-not*yet~proven = result]
[16:54] <SuperEngineer> both now *saisfried*
[16:55] <davmor2> diddledan_: it doesn't matter the physicist will say they are both wrong
[16:56] <diddledan_> I think the i/j/√-1 conundrum just proves that we haven't devised appropriate mathematics to cope with the construct. the value definitely exists because it can be used to do funky equations to rotate sine-waves but at the same time it cannot exist because our rules state that √-1 should equal 1 but the previous example relies on that not being the case
[16:57] <SuperEngineer> but what did the next example say?
[16:57] <diddledan_> SuperEngineer: you just need to rotate the wave to find out
[16:57] <SuperEngineer> lol
[16:58] <diddledan_> I know about i/j being an issue because dad used to be a telly engineer and the tv broadcast system uses it extensively
[16:58] <SuperEngineer> Best experiment I have ever performed in the physics world:
[16:59] <diddledan_> you dropped an apple on isaac's head?
[16:59] <zmoylan-pi> waste of a macbook :-)
[16:59] <davmor2> SuperEngineer, diddledan_: here watch this and then we can just all get along damn it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N_tupPBtWQ
[16:59] <diddledan_> see, I don't think it was a random accident, I think his rival was actually in the tree chucking them at isaac
[17:00] <diddledan_> menamama
[17:00] <SuperEngineer> Q/ what is the result of building mercury motor and "accidebtally setting tranformer to use direct full mains voltage insteas of 12V?
[17:00] <zmoylan-pi> i think it was dropped by a cat who resented that he had invented the cat flap...
[17:00] <diddledan_> SuperEngineer: exploding mercury?
[17:00] <SuperEngineer> a/ emergency evacuation of entire lab full of students :_D
[17:00] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: it's a Schroedinger cat flap
[17:00] <diddledan_> \o/
[17:01] <diddledan_> my sister in law just cannot get her head around schrödinger :-) I tease her with it
[17:01] <diddledan_> +e
[17:01] <diddledan_> schröedinger
[17:03] <diddledan_> what I want to know is how did the dude get away with that kind sadistic thinking?
[17:03] <diddledan_> "I know, let's put nibbles in a box with a load of poison"
[17:04] <SuperEngineer> "schrödinger" or "schröedinger"... you don't know until you open the book therefore until then both ae correct
[17:04] <diddledan_> what did he expect to happen?!
[17:04] <zmoylan-pi> it was a cat, a lot of people hate cats
[17:04] <diddledan_> seriously, you put a cat in a box with poison, it be dead
[17:05] <SuperEngineer> or in a box with tesco cat food - same result
[17:05] <diddledan_> perhaps it was a cover story to murder a terrifying feline?
[17:05] <zmoylan-pi> depends on the cat. a lot of people will tell you how hard it is to get a cat to eat a pill that will make them better
[17:06] <SuperEngineer> ermmm.... this pill is *not* one of "make you better" pills ;)
[17:06] <zmoylan-pi> so the little beggar will ignore it
[17:06] <diddledan_> more a make you a lil bit queesy
[17:06] <SuperEngineer> lol
[17:06] <diddledan_> upset your stomach a tad
[17:06] <zmoylan-pi> we found the cat nibbled around the pill leaving it with a few mm of cat food attached.
[17:06] <diddledan_> you'll be right as rain in no-time
[17:07] <diddledan_> i.e. we'll flush you down the drain
[17:08] <SuperEngineer> schröedinger's salmonela - you don't know whether it's lethal until you get the post mortem
[17:09] <diddledan_> is it feeding time yet?
[17:10] <SuperEngineer> nom nom, stale chicken tonight
[17:11] <diddledan_> ooh, nice - how you having it, just plain or in a sauce or something?
[17:12] <diddledan_> plain with beans is nice and simple
[17:12] <diddledan_> and maybe a jacketed spud
[17:12]  * diddledan_ lurve bakey beans
[17:14] <zmoylan-pi> beans on toast, spaghetti on toast, cheese on toast.  anything they can slip under the locked door... :-)
[17:14] <diddledan_> :-)
[17:14] <SuperEngineer> Just joking.. prefer living more "on the edge" than that - tonight is actually salmon fish cakes which I can't remember how long ago I bought them... now that's what I call real russian roullette
[17:14] <diddledan_> toasticles are tasty too, I agree
[17:15] <diddledan_> lol
[17:15] <zmoylan-pi> well porcelain roulette... :-)
[17:15] <zmoylan-pi> just make sure the kazi is covered by wifi and has back up reading material... and maybe a backup battery...
[17:16] <SuperEngineer> I like the logixc here!
[17:16] <diddledan_> I don't think you want it backing up
[17:16] <SuperEngineer> buy shares in andrex is my advice
[17:17] <zmoylan-pi> or wipe up with puppies... ah la father jack...
[17:19] <SuperEngineer> ADVERT: mmmmmm... puppies.... smooth of the botty...& better than kittens
[17:19] <zmoylan-pi> definitely less sharp than kittens
[17:22] <SuperEngineer> so, in retrospect, I started on this channel today talking about https probs... now we're talking about puppies being better than kittens for botty usage... life is good again!  :-)
[17:24] <zmoylan-pi> next up; porcupines are a complete no no
[17:25] <SuperEngineer> #ubuntu-uk... better than therepies, better than pharmasuticals.
[17:25] <zmoylan-pi> which printer paper is best for backup loo roll...
[17:25] <SuperEngineer> &, zmoylan-pi, +1 on that. Most definitely better than that!
[17:27] <SuperEngineer> used printer paper is best... it's been pre-warmed & pre-softened [so I'm told]
[17:27] <zmoylan-pi> yeah but toner and inkjet ink can leave weird inverse temporary tattoos.... or so i've heard...
[17:28] <SuperEngineer> "Dear Cartridge World, when I said I wanted a cartridge that didn't leave any residue..."
[17:33] <zmoylan-pi> dear cartridge world, adding a moisturiser to your cartridges would be appreciated... :-P
[17:34] <SuperEngineer> :-)
[17:49] <SuperEngineer> time to go cook those ruddian roulette fishcakes; if you don't hear from me again,,,send flowers bitter
[17:49] <SuperEngineer> *russian
[17:50] <zmoylan-pi> and bogroll carrying puppies...
[17:51] <SuperEngineer> [no kittens, sharp teeth!]
[17:51] <zmoylan-pi> and their ability to climb anything using claws
[17:51] <SuperEngineer> youch!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[17:51] <zmoylan-pi> ... and their was much screaming
[17:52] <SuperEngineer> & lo, he wept...
[17:52] <SuperEngineer> ...from both ends!
[17:52] <zmoylan-pi> but not as much as when a+e applied the iodine...
[17:53] <SuperEngineer> you are determined to put me off these fish-cakes,  aren't you!
[17:53] <zmoylan-pi> do amazon have specials on stomach pumps? :-D
[17:55]  * SuperEngineer checks entiire area... no puppies, no kittens [definitely no kittens]...
[17:55] <SuperEngineer> and no ambulances outside house [yet]
[17:55] <zmoylan-pi> remember aliens? check the ceiling space
[17:55] <SuperEngineer> scratch, scratch
[17:55] <zmoylan-pi> *bip* *bip* *bip* they're in the room...
[17:56] <SuperEngineer> can't wait for the stomach bit
[17:57] <SuperEngineer> and, not being from this planet, /me gets ignored by alien
[17:58] <SuperEngineer> phew... that was close. Now what's this lump on the wall.....  arrrrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhhhhh!
[17:59] <SuperEngineer> [happy dreams everybody!]  ;-)
[18:38] <mapps> well that was tiresome
[18:38] <mapps> slept from 11;30am ish till 6pm ish wokeup loads;/
[18:39] <mapps> wokeup and my clock said 10;05 pm too, pretty confusing thought it really was that late;p
[18:53] <mapps> charity worker steals 25k after becoming addicted to facebook games
[18:53] <mapps> spent 4k on virtual crystals...wow
[22:36] <mapps> handy..feel tired yet got up 7pm
[22:36] <mapps> ugh
[22:37] <mapps> ;/


[14:06] <jab_doa> hi
[14:07] <jab_doa> is there an easy way to do logging with upstart? eg. redirect all output of a script to a logfile or syslog?
[16:49] <SpamapS> jab_doa: | logger
[16:50] <jab_doa> ok
[16:58] <jab_doa> thanks
[17:19] <squig> im new to upstart is there a way to get  a script to run before another script  (I need to run a command before networking)
[17:33] <SpamapS> start on starting X
[17:34] <SpamapS> squig: so 'start on starting networking'


[06:47] <doko> jbicha, you force-synced mdbtools, re-introducing the ftbfs on ppc64el
[07:44] <schopin> To the release team: would it be possible to override mosquitto tests failures preventing the openssl migration? https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/mosquitto/impish/s390x shows that the test failures also happens without proposed.
[07:49] <schopin> Also, see LP: #1929553 -> not the first time.
[08:59] <RikMills> Kubuntu livefs built failed today
[08:59] <RikMills> W: Failure while configuring base packages.  This will be re-attempted up to five times.
[08:59] <RikMills> W: See /build/chroot/debootstrap/debootstrap.log for details (possibly the package libffi8ubuntu1:amd64 is at fault)
[09:00] <RikMills> ah, main ubuntu failed as well
[09:00] <RikMills> fun
[09:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted openjdk-17 [sync] (hirsute-proposed) [17+35-1~21.04]
[09:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted openjdk-17 [sync] (focal-proposed) [17+35-1~20.04]
[09:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted openjdk-17 [sync] (bionic-proposed) [17+35-1~18.04]
[11:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: barbican (focal-proposed/main) [1:10.0.0-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 1:10.1.0-0ubuntu1] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
[11:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: heat (focal-proposed/main) [1:14.1.0-0ubuntu1 => 1:14.2.0-0ubuntu1] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
[11:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: keystone (focal-proposed/main) [2:17.0.0-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 2:17.0.1-0ubuntu1] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
[11:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: swift (focal-proposed/main) [2.25.1-0ubuntu1 => 2.25.2-0ubuntu1] (openstack)
[11:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: neutron (focal-proposed/main) [2:16.4.0-0ubuntu3 => 2:16.4.1-0ubuntu1] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
[12:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: placement (focal-proposed/main) [3.0.0-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 3.0.1-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[12:29] <ricotz> bdmurray, hi :), this should be good to go https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1942894
[14:53] <bdmurray> ricotz: We don't release SRUs on Friday but feel free to ping someone on Monday
[15:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: pam (focal-proposed/main) [1.3.1-5ubuntu4.2 => 1.3.1-5ubuntu4.3] (core, i386-whitelist)
[16:16] <ricotz> bdmurray, ack
[16:38] <vorlon> xnox: I believe the SRU team is still waiting on you to either provide dwarves-dfsg with bundled libbpf, or provide a test plan for verifying a libbpf update
[16:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cinder [source] (hirsute-proposed) [2:18.1.0-0ubuntu1]
[17:12] <vorlon> coreycb: hey, seeing that neutron is dropping the dependency on neutron-fwaas, do you want to revisit LP: #1891238?  There are still reverse-dependencies in the archive that need resolved before we can drop it
[17:13] <coreycb> vorlon: ah yes, I'll revisit that. thanks for the reminder
[19:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted openssl [source] (focal-proposed) [1.1.1f-1ubuntu2.9]
[19:13] <vorlon> tseliot_: nvidia-graphics-drivers-470 has been hanging around in impish-proposed for quite a while now; are there other uploads coming to fix the installability issues with promoting it?
[19:15] <tseliot_> vorlon, that would be a question for apw . I suppose we need matching kernel modules for it
[19:15] <bdmurray> vorlon: have you looked at these image build failures at all?
[20:47] <vorlon> bdmurray: no, which ones?
[20:50] <bdmurray> vorlon: all of the impish ones https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/impish/ubuntustudio/+build/298594 looks like it might be an issue with libffi and libp11-kit0
[21:04] <vorlon> hmm
[21:06] <vorlon> bdmurray: probably fixable by demoting or removing libffi8ubuntu1
[21:07] <vorlon> removing now
[21:07] <bdmurray> okay, how would I kick of a rebuild?
[21:08] <vorlon> bdmurray: use the iso tracker, probably?
[21:09] <bdmurray> Do I need to wait a bit for the removal to take place?
[21:11] <vorlon> bdmurray: until the next publication run, yes
[21:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted scilab [source] (focal-proposed) [6.1.0+dfsg1-1ubuntu3.1]
[21:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted scilab [source] (bionic-proposed) [6.0.1-7ubuntu1~18.04.2]
[22:07] <vorlon> bdmurray: I think the test case on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/blueman/+bug/1877524 is a bit mushy; what if things are still crashing but end up in another bucket/
[22:08] <vorlon> bdmurray: and the original error message points at "/home/username", which this diff doesn't address?
[22:16] <bdmurray> check_single_instance calls get_lockfile which uses GLib.get_users_cache_dir and apport just replaced the users real name with username
[22:20] <Eickmeyer> bdmurray, vorlon: Hmm... I didn't get the email for that failure. Would this have been something that would have benefited from my invovement?
[22:21] <Eickmeyer> (libffi)
[22:21] <bdmurray> We have this particular thing under control
[22:22] <Eickmeyer> Sweet, thanks. :)


[00:23] <valorie> @login
[00:23] <valorie> @mark
[00:26] <valorie> @btlogin
[00:26] <valorie> hmmm
[00:29] <k1l> do you want to mark a user in the bantracker?
[00:31] <valorie> nope, it was just very slow to give me a link
[00:32] <valorie> but since I had a link, I commented that way
[05:54] <valorie> is there any way to hide joins and parts channel by channel?
[05:54] <valorie> I'd like to not hide them on any chan where I have ops, but it seems mostly pointless on the others
[05:54] <k1l_> !quietirc
[05:55] <k1l_> that depends on the client used. that link got a lot of examples
[05:55] <Unit193> Might want to mention kvirc/znc.
[05:59] <valorie> hmmm
[05:59] <valorie> thank you, I'll check for konversation
[06:00] <valorie> I was thinking there might be a way in freenode, since I can't be the only person who wants to do this.....
[06:01] <valorie> looks like konvi it is all or nothing
[06:01] <valorie> Unit193: I'll never join you! (in irssi)
[06:02] <Unit193> :D
[15:24] <k1l_> chillpill_> Usage: !translate FromLanguage ToLanguage Word or Phrase to translate
[15:24] <k1l_> is that a script/bot?
[15:30] <Pici> what do you think?
[15:30] <k1l_> there was some other output again and i asked him to stop that sort of script.
[15:30] <Pici> yep
 bazhang, i just accidently wrote over stuff with dd is all
[16:12] <bazhang> ruhroh
[16:13] <bazhang> whether bot or script chillpill__ is silent all over
[18:09] <k1l_> cer> yes im on freebsd
[18:33] <hautamaeki> hello! how to use bash to overtake my neighbor's computer?
[18:34] <wxl> hautamaeki: don't you get bored of repeating yourself?
[18:34] <k1l_> hautamaeki: i think we had this  discussion often enough now. please stop asking this.
[18:34] <hautamaeki> what are you talking about?
[18:36] <k1l_> hautamaeki: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/04/26/%23ubuntu-ops.html#t21:03
[18:36] <hautamaeki> she's got some system issues and ask for my help, but i can't get remote
[18:36] <k1l_> now please leave.
[18:37] <hautamaeki> wow, that was some nasty mean person. thats not me, that is some other guy with the same nickname
[18:37] <wxl> hautamaeki: really? we're not as stupid as we look. XD
[18:39] <k1l_> at least he was not offering naked underage videos like the last time
[18:43] <hautamaeki> hello! is there a skillful ubuntu operator here with some spare time?
[18:45] <dax> yes, but i'd rather not spend it creeping on your neighbors
[18:49] <hautamaeki> obviously there are some strong prejudices about me here. not sure from where all that hate is coming from. i'm just trying to be a good neighbor and set up her webcam.
[18:49] <hautamaeki> what's wrong with that
[18:50] <dax> it's coming from the last times you asked for help, when you were talking about hacking and perving using your neighbor's camera
[18:50] <dax> now that we've cleared that up, is there anything else we can help you with today?
[18:51] <hautamaeki> no way, you totally misunderstand something, i would never do something like that
[18:51] <dax> irclogs/freenode/#ubuntu/#ubuntu-2016-04-25.log:2016-04-25 19:15:20     < hautamaeki>   Hello!  C'mon I'll share video with anyone who help!
[18:51] <dax> irclogs/freenode/#ubuntu/#ubuntu-2016-04-24.log:2016-04-24 20:29:39     < hautamaeki>   Hello! What command should I type in terminal so I could hack my neighbor's computer?
[18:52] <dax> Probably about time you stop lying, just a thought.
[18:52] <hautamaeki> no way, that's not me. someone is trying to frame me
[18:52] <dax> Yes it is, and no they're not.
[18:53] <hautamaeki> what kind of twisted mined would do something like this
[18:53] <dax> You, apparently. Anything else?
[18:53] <hautamaeki> i never insulted another fellow human being in my life
[18:54] <dax> or are you just planning to sit in #ubuntu-ops making stuff up for the rest of the day
[18:54] <hautamaeki> that's no how i nave been raised
[18:54] <dax> let me know which so i know whether to kick you out or not
[18:54] <hautamaeki> ok i will leave bat just so you know
[18:55] <hautamaeki> you are making a great unjustice here
[18:55] <dax> just so you know, i wasn't born yesterday
[18:55] <hautamaeki> this is just not right
[18:55] <dax> ttyl
[18:55] <hautamaeki> but as you wish
[18:55] <hautamaeki> bye
[18:55] <hautamaeki> still i wish you all the best sir
[18:56] <dax> @mark hautamaeki insisting he's being "framed". is, unsurprisingly, lying about it.


[13:40] <SamuraiAlba> good bacon to all!
[16:53] <MutantTurkey> morning
[16:58] <jackson> o/
[17:03] <MutantTurkey> whats up
[17:04] <andrew> his left hand
[17:13] <SamuraiAlba> Mutu, wassup?
[17:25] <MutantTurkey> chilling out
[17:25] <SamuraiAlba> Playing RS?
[17:25] <MutantTurkey> writing a giant cmake port for kde 3.5 D:
[17:26] <MutantTurkey> nah at school doing computer work
[17:26] <SamuraiAlba> ahhh.   I might have to go cold turkey and quit hanging around here.
[22:13] <ssweeny> MutantTurkey: i couldn't read that. it came through all gobbled on this side
[22:23] <MutantTurkey> I may have to move to Istanbul
[22:24] <MutantTurkey> ann frankly i am quite offended.
[22:24] <MutantTurkey> I did nazi that one coming
[22:30] <MutantTurkey> But there is a fine between reich and wrong


[04:29] <len-x> hmm the difference between xubuntu and lubuntu is 43.3%
[06:00] <len-1310> zequence, I looked at lubuntu. The processes running are almost the same as with xfce. I wonder how much cpu/memory it actually saves
[06:01] <len-1310> I don't know if it has enough differences from xfce to warrant a studio meta for it.
[06:02] <len-1310> I'll have to play with it a bit.
[06:04] <len-1310> It feels old... almost like twm from before fvwm. But at least it follows xdg standards
[14:27] <smartboyhw> len-1310 (C.C. zequence): Since you (a.k.a. len-1310) are awake, Bug 1181762 should be good for you.
[14:32] <len-1310> smartboyhw, Ok I see it.
[14:33] <len-1310> I am assigned.
[14:34] <smartboyhw> len-1310: Thanks!
[14:37] <smartboyhw> Hey madeinkobaia, how's the merchandise art?
[14:40] <madeinkobaia> Hi smartboyhw, we work on it.
[14:40] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia: Great!
[14:40] <smartboyhw> zequence: The website looks better now.
[14:41] <madeinkobaia> smartboyhw : )
[15:01] <madeinkobaia> smartboyhw : I think if everything is ok, the products will be online this week.
[15:02] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia: \o/
[15:03] <smartboyhw> len-1310: You need a # for the bug number in the blueprint;P
[15:04] <Len-nb> smartboyhw, Why?
[15:04] <smartboyhw> Len-nb: As in Ubuntu changelogs:P
[15:04] <smartboyhw> Anyways, it's just trivial
[15:05] <smartboyhw> *Ubuntu package changelogs
[15:05] <Len-nb> Is there something that auto reads them and changes something or os it just for human readers?
[15:05] <smartboyhw> Len-nb: Probably in places like status.ubuntu.com
[15:05] <smartboyhw> Len-nb: I will change it:)
[15:06] <Len-nb> I think it is right in the change log... it auto added the bug link
[15:06] <smartboyhw> Len-nb: Awesome
[15:07] <smartboyhw> We need micahg to upload though
[15:07] <Len-nb> I don't think there is a great hurry though.
[15:07] <smartboyhw> Len-nb: Yep
[15:10] <Len-nb> There are some more settings changes coming ... I am going to work at making the studio menu customization work for all the DEs
[15:10] <smartboyhw> Len-nb: \o/
[15:11] <madeinkobaia> Len-nb : Interesting. Huge work I think.
[15:12] <Len-nb> smartboyhw, I looked at lubuntu yesterday. It doesn't look that much lighter than xfce
[15:12] <smartboyhw> Len-nb: Oh really?
[15:12] <smartboyhw> On stats it is…
[15:13] <Len-nb> ps x  shows almost all the same stuff running as xfce
[15:13] <smartboyhw> Len-nb: Heh
[15:13] <Len-nb> It did feel a bit snappier
[15:13] <Len-nb>  But the DE "looks" old... like twm from the early 90s
[15:14] <smartboyhw> Len-nb: Heh
[15:14] <Len-nb> I actually prefer fvwm with the motif style window decorations
[15:14] <Len-nb> (later 90s, but still active development)
[15:16] <smartboyhw> Len-nb: Better than those GNOME 2 forks
[15:16] <Len-nb> I think we made the right choice to have drive auto mount off by default. Try using gparted in xubuntu...
[15:16] <smartboyhw> LOL
[15:16] <Len-nb> G2 is dead  think. xfce is the best replacement.
[15:17] <smartboyhw> Len-nb: There are still forks like MATE.
[15:17] <Len-nb> Better to take G3 and make it look more G2ish
[15:18] <smartboyhw> Those who liked GNOME 2 are just traditional and unmodern
[15:18] <Len-nb> As the libs change the maintenance costs go up... manpower wise.
[15:19] <Len-nb> I'm traditional too. If fvwm used xdg standards I would probably use it :)
[15:20] <madeinkobaia> smartboyhw : I am not sure of that. Gnome 2 was / is a great development step. Now there are people who also don't like Gnome 3 because he's less easy to "customize".
[15:20] <Len-nb> "Modern" that I can see is like clothes fashion... chnage for the sake of change
[15:21] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia: Because the devs are strange, they don't allow people's feature requests
[15:21] <Len-nb> The function of X/windows/OSx has changed very little in usability since xerox first developed it.
[15:22] <madeinkobaia> Len-nb : Agree, new don't means nothing, and change for the change is typical commercial thought. (I simplify, of course)
[15:22] <Len-nb> Mostly window dressing
[15:22] <smartboyhw> I rather like modern
[15:23] <smartboyhw> And for me, GNOME 2 is ugly.
[15:23] <smartboyhw> MS Windows-liked
[15:23] <Len-nb> I would say that is somewhat cultural :) (not a put down)
[15:24] <Len-nb> My enjoyment of traditional is probably cultural too
[15:24] <smartboyhw> Len-nb: We Chinese are very traditional
[15:25] <Len-nb> New artwork for a new release is nice.
[15:25] <madeinkobaia> smartboyhw : Basically, on Linux DE, ugly means nothing as ALL is graphically strictly modulable. I invite you to take a look on community screenshots on deviant-art for see that gnome 2 can be awesome.
[15:25] <Len-nb> not with technology
[15:26] <madeinkobaia> smartboyhw, Len-nb : Creativity is open, as the rest, on Linux DE : )
[15:26] <Len-nb> Yup
[15:26] <smartboyhw> Tech constantly evolves and as tht happens, old ones should get disbandes
[15:26] <smartboyhw> *disbanded
[15:27] <Len-nb> I think xfce is a good compromise as a default DE for a development platform like studio.
[15:27] <Len-nb> smartboyhw, :)
[15:27] <smartboyhw> Len-nb: It is modern and has menus:)
[15:27] <smartboyhw> That's why it works
[15:28] <smartboyhw> KDE is the 2nd best alternative
[15:28] <smartboyhw> I don't see why people like Unity in Studio
[15:28] <Len-nb> I'm going to leave that one alone... lets just say I feel different about some of it at least.
[15:28] <smartboyhw> They do though
[15:28] <Len-nb> And then have trouble
[15:28] <madeinkobaia> smartboyhw : So we have to make a difference about what we're talking about, code is code and its indeed a perpetual run on improvement. The question of design is completely independent of that.
[15:28] <Len-nb> Yes
[15:29] <smartboyhw> madeinkovaia: No.
[15:29] <smartboyhw> *madeinkobaia
[15:29] <smartboyhw> Design also evolves
[15:29] <smartboyhw> And old things should get disbanded
[15:29] <Len-nb> But not necessarily improve
[15:29] <smartboyhw> That's what makes the world great, we take in new thinfs
[15:30] <smartboyhw> Len-nb: Well, GNOME 3 is much better than GNOME 2 I think
[15:30] <Len-nb> However if the tech behind design does not keep up then design has to change to use what is available
[15:31] <smartboyhw> Len-nb: You mean the code of GNOME 3 is outdated?
[15:31] <Len-nb> I found G3 hard. and slower
[15:31] <smartboyhw> Or?
[15:31] <smartboyhw> Well anyways, we are better off with Xfce:P
[15:31] <Len-nb> I mean the code for G2 is not going to be maintained
[15:32] <Len-nb> so G2 will go sooner or later
[15:32] <Len-nb> Right now G2 has all the stuff it needs still hanging around so it is easy to fork.
[15:33] <Len-nb> But updating the whole thing to new libs as they come out is a lot of work and the g2 fork community is a lot smaller than the gnome community
[15:33] <madeinkobaia> smartboyhw : I am (humbly) very interesting in design. What can I tell you for sure is that Apple, as Google or even Microsoft on windows 8 have nothing invented in terms of design. Most of them recipes comes from basing design approach who comes them self from for example the Bauhaus (1919-1933 ! )
[15:34] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia: Meh, I need to sleep soon, can we stop debating?
[15:34] <Len-nb> The De really just starts and places apps.
[15:34] <madeinkobaia> smartboyhw : In art or design, nothing can be improved or create anymore. Sorry ; ) Just things that people cleverly adapt now on computing world.
[15:35] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia: Disagree
[15:35] <smartboyhw> But can we stop?
[15:35] <smartboyhw> It's 23:35 here
[15:35] <Len-nb> GN smartboyhw
[15:36] <smartboyhw> Good night Len-nb and madeinkobaia…
[15:36] <madeinkobaia> smartboyhw : Goodnight smartboyhw.
[15:38] <Len-nb> It is interesting, most of the time the computer does very little for the user. That is why new DEs can use lots of CPU
[15:39] <Len-nb> The average user does lots of web stuff and the connection is very slow compared to the cpu availability. People type slowly too.
[15:46] <madeinkobaia> Len-nb : As I am not developer I am not sure to be really able to understand where the resources demands are dispatching on the system. I still don't understand why for example KDE 3x use to need the double of resource of Gnome 2.x. (I mean an average : ram+processor). Applications on startups ? Graphicall needs on the GPU...?
[15:54] <madeinkobaia> Len-nb : Well no needs answers, sorry for the tricky question. Just a thought that also half of the planet don't have even 512 mo of ram available and that we're are also here for think about that. I have nothing again KDE himself of course.
[15:55] <madeinkobaia> Len-nb : KDE is really interesting, no problems on that.
[15:55] <len-1310> Sorry went to get food :)
[15:56] <madeinkobaia> Len-nb : No problems :)
[15:56] <len-1310> Ya, I hear/read "this is 2013 we all have faster cpus and lots of ram"
[15:57] <len-1310> I can't aford to get new HW every two years
[15:57] <len-1310> I have a single core P4. over 10 years old
[15:57] <madeinkobaia> Len-nb : Yep in around 20 country in the world its truth.
[15:58] <len-1310> I did get more Ram, I am up to 2.5 G
[15:58] <madeinkobaia> Len-nb : Do you know which PC I use now for speak you ?
[15:58] <len-1310> ?
[16:01] <madeinkobaia> Len-nb : a P4 processor (from 2003) 2,4 ghz with 768mo of ram :D And all my works as swiss clock.
[16:02] <len-1310> Thats about what I have here. My bigest problem is the old nvidia graphics card
[16:04] <madeinkobaia> Len-nb : No problems by my side with the GC. I forget to say...I run Debian : )
[16:07] <len-1310> The graphics situation has been getting worse the last year or so. I am not sure if the apps are using more GPU calls or the driver is changing for new cards
[16:09] <madeinkobaia> Len-nb :  Those questions are tricky. I no have answers by my side too : (
[16:12] <len-1310> I should look for another card anyway. this one has bad capacitors and is begining to "streak"
[16:15] <madeinkobaia> Len-1310 : Yep, I think there's also a "lucky part" in getting a graphical card (independently of the OS). By my side I was lucky until now.
[16:17] <len-1310> Yup, anyway I need to go. Talk later
[16:18] <madeinkobaia> len-1310 :  See you :D
[16:18] <madeinkobaia> len-1310 :  Damn wrong emo...just a :)
[16:20] <madeinkobaia> len-1310 :  Nice to speak with you mate.
[17:43] <leobian> hi
[17:46] <madeinkobaia> Hi leobian.
[17:46] <madeinkobaia> leobian : Could we help ?
[17:46] <leobian> i just made a dvd cover, derivative from the 9 version but for 13.04
[17:47] <leobian> should i post it under user contribution ?
[17:48] <madeinkobaia> leobian : Is it possible to see your work somewhere ? Have a link ?
[17:48] <leobian> i needed that for our install-party
[17:49] <leobian> ok, in a few minutes
[17:50] <madeinkobaia> leobian : Ok : )
[17:59] <leobian> hi
[18:01] <leobian> link is http://www.gard-linux.fr/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=14
[18:16] <madeinkobaia> leobian : Sorry, was away. Could you wait a little.
[18:16] <madeinkobaia> zequence : ^
[18:17] <zequence> madeinkobaia: Yes, I saw it :)
[18:17] <zequence> leobian: You are talking with the right person when it comes to artwork. madeinkobaia is our art lead
[18:17] <zequence> I am project lead myself
[18:18] <leobian> so, ok
[18:18] <madeinkobaia> leobian : I will be back latter, if you need help for improve your cover don't hesitate to ask me : )
[18:19] <leobian> thanks, i'll try to; bye
[18:19] <zequence> It's well made. But, I note that the Ubuntu Studio specific elements are tiny bit outdated. Otherwise, it's really nice to see something specifically for Ubuntu Studio
[18:20] <zequence> I think we could consider adding stuff like this on our website, under a artwork page, but that would make it a bit more official, and I would at least welcome some feedback/discussion on that
[18:21] <leobian> you mean graphical chart specific for ubuntustudio ?
[18:22] <leobian> yes i did'nt use this
[18:22] <zequence> leobian: We could share some artwork on our website that can be used for different things, like CD covers, web banners, etc
[18:23] <zequence> In the long term there are plans for new unified art work, maybe for the 14.04 release
[18:23] <zequence> So, until then, the directions aren't as clear
[18:23] <leobian> it's only proposed to fill a gap under user artwork for current version https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/UserContributed
[18:23] <zequence> But, if we do add stuff to the main website, I would like it if all concerned parties feel it is as good as we like it to be
[18:24] <leobian> and should be removed at any time
[18:24] <leobian> ok, i understand
[18:24] <zequence> leobian: Would you be interesting in developint this further?
[18:24] <zequence> developing*
[18:26] <leobian> why not but don't many time nor great ideas about that; i'm not a graphic creator
[18:26] <leobian> don't have*
[18:33] <zequence> leobian: I'm sure that madeinkobaia would have some input to that. Also, he could assist in polishing details if needed. If you like doing this, I think it's worth a shot
[18:34] <leobian> ok; so now, what to do ?
[18:36] <zequence> leobian: Well, one thing you might want to try is using the Ubuntu font, which is what we have been using for the logo recently. But, really, madeinkobaia is the guy to speak about this
[18:37] <zequence> Come to think of it, I think we have some material that could be used for this already, that is used for our social banners
[18:38] <leobian> yes, good idea to use the Ubuntu font; but a problem was to use simultaneously the raring tail logo with the ubuntustudio one
[18:39] <zequence> Yes, that is a new concept for me, using the animal art with Ubuntu Studio
[18:39] <zequence> So, the question is, should we perhaps skip that?
[18:39] <madeinkobaia> leobian : You're Jean-Daniel from the gard-linux  site ? I ask, like that we could contact you easily.
[18:39] <leobian> yes tht's right
[18:40] <madeinkobaia> leobian : Ok, nice to meet.
[18:42] <leobian> likewise
[18:45] <madeinkobaia> leobian : The graphical elements related to Ubuntu Studio are outdated (old logo and text version). Not your fault. We have to update the communication about our actual graphical standards.
[18:45] <madeinkobaia> zequence : ^
[18:51] <leobian> zequence : my preference goes to associate animal art with UbuntuStudio
[18:55] <madeinkobaia> leobian : By "animal art" you mean to use the 13.04 Ubuntu official mascot (the ringtail logo) ?
[18:57] <leobian> yes that's right
[19:02] <madeinkobaia> leobian : Ok, If you're agree, I could work on your DVD cover and (with keeping your good original composition), try to improve it and update the graphical elements according to our actual standards. After we could see what to do.
[19:04] <leobian> it's ok for me; should i send you the gimp file ?
[19:07] <madeinkobaia> leobian : For sure at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:15] <madeinkobaia> leobian : Ok stay in touch and thanks for contribute to Ubuntu Studio.
[19:16] <leobian> i'll send you soon; good bye


[06:28] <dholbach> good morning
[12:59] <sidi> Rethorical question: there's no way to know, looking at the contents of a .deb package, which files will be given the executable flag once the package is installed? I have to actually install the package and manually check the files' permissions, correct?
[13:00] <rbasak> sidi: know for certain, or just get an idea? Most files shipped in debs already have their executable bits set. But it is in theory possible for a package to set or remove the bits in a package postinst.
[13:00] <rbasak> That would be an odd thing to do in most cases though.
[13:01] <rbasak> "set" as in "decided", not "set to 1".
[13:01] <mitya57> sidi, use dpkg -c foo.deb
[13:01] <mitya57> It will show the files permissions
[13:01] <sidi> (damn, pressing Ctrl+W to erase a word in Xchat does not work as expected)
 sidi, use dpkg -c foo.deb
 It will show the files permissions
[13:02] <sidi> rbasak, sorry i missed your last message
[13:02] <rbasak> sidi: know for certain, or just get an idea? Most files shipped in debs already have their executable bits set. But it is in theory possible for a package to set or remove the bits in a package postinst.
[13:02] <rbasak> "set" as in "decided", not "set to 1".
[13:02] <sidi> thanks
[13:02] <rbasak> That would be an odd thing to do in most cases though.
[13:02] <rbasak> (change things int he package postinst)
[13:03] <sidi> mitya57, rbasak so i can just download all the debs and grep on top of dpkg -c, that'd work for me I believe
[13:04] <sidi> rbasak, i'll gladly ignore postinst changes if that's not the usual method for setting permissions. i can fix my list of executables later on for individual packages
[13:04] <rbasak> Yep, that should give you a pretty good view. There are probably a few edge cases where files on an installed system don't end up with the same permissions as shipped in the package, but that is probably fairly rare.
[13:06] <sidi> I mainly want to avoid manually doing it for tens of thousands of packages :-) that should be fine


[00:18] <ntzrmtthihu777> what could cause  .so files to show up in your /tmp, and is it safe to delete them?
[07:07] <Lehti> does a headless server really need any X11 related libraries?
[07:09] <well_laid_lawn> nope not unless you want X
[07:09] <well_laid_lawn> for remote desktop etc
[07:10] <Lehti> Hmm, because my bare minimum installation without a desktop environment in my server seems to have installed many X11 related libraries too
[07:10] <Lehti> it got me wondering are they included by default even without a DE?
[07:10] <well_laid_lawn> what did you install from? the server iso?
[07:11] <Lehti> yea
[07:11] <well_laid_lawn> you must have installed an app with X dependencies
[07:11] <Lehti> how can I search what programs are dependant on some of those libraries?
[07:12] <Lehti> would be nice to pinpoint the specific cause of this :)
[07:12] <well_laid_lawn> that would have been shown when you installed all the apps
[07:13] <Lehti> hmmh, damn
[07:15] <well_laid_lawn> http://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/list-ubuntu-debian-package-dependencies-in-terminal-with-apt-rdepends/
[07:15] <well_laid_lawn> might help
[07:16] <Lehti> yeah, thanks m8
[07:16] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[12:31] <peyam> when I comming on skype I can't anything from youtube and vlc. I dont know how to fix it. I guess the problem is skype -option. anybody can read the sound device in skype?
[12:48] <Jay_> Hi, i am completely new to Xubuntu 13/Unix. I'd like to run a script in terminal on autostart which starts a program in terminal. Because this is a common thing i browsed in some forums. Answers were all really different sso i came to a point where i have a starter script on desktop which does what i want. I have inserted an autostart with the path of this file but on startup it won't start.
[12:57] <gonkin> Jay: have you made the script executable?
[13:00] <Sysi> you need to have .sh script containing lines #!/bin/bash and xfce4-terminal -x programname, set it to be executable and then add it to autostart
[13:17] <Jay_> What i did now is i changet to /home/user/.config/autostart there was the starterfile on desktop which i created, i deleted it, dragged another copy of it into the same folder and now it works
[13:17] <Jay_> I made the script executable before and everything worked when i started the script directly
[13:18] <Jay_> it just wouldnt autostart
[13:18] <Jay_> well now i got it, thank you for your help!
[14:31] <Teemu> Hi, i am facing a little problem while using Ubuntu first time
[14:31] <Teemu> I think anyone can solve this in like 10 seconds
[14:32] <Teemu> http://maodonovan.blogspot.fi/2011/10/huawei-e367-on-linux.html I am following these instructions to activate my Huawei device
[14:33] <Teemu> and im stuck part when i have appended the info in .conf
[14:33] <Teemu> after that i just dont know why i cant get it to work since instructions seem to be very straight forward
[14:33] <Teemu> but system does not  react to my commands in any way
[14:36] <elfy> Teemu: this is the Xubuntu support channel try joining the ubuntu channel, type /join #ubuntu
[14:37] <Teemu> I am actually running Xubuntu
[14:37] <Teemu> Misstyped it
[14:37] <Teemu> But I am not getting why the  "modprobe usbserial vendor=0x12d1 product=0x1506" command is not doing anything
[14:38] <Teemu> It does not give out error message
[14:38] <elfy> I'll not be able to help - hang around and see if someone else is able to
[14:39] <Teemu> Thats pretty much what I was going to do :)
[14:39] <elfy> :)
[14:40] <genii-around> Teemu: After you execute the modprobe command, what is the result from: dmesg | tail -n15 ?    ( please use a pastebin, don't paste directly here in the channel). Likely it is making the device properly, like /dev/ttyUSB0    or such
[14:42] <Teemu> When I what? I am very rookia with Linux systems.
[14:43] <genii-around> Teemu: eg:, you wrote earlier, <Teemu> But I am not getting why the  "modprobe usbserial vendor=0x12d1 product=0x1506" command is not doing anything      ...but you see, if in general you run a command andd there is no problem with the command, you will not see anything saying "Hey, it went OK!" or such. It should just return to the command prompt.
[14:43] <genii-around> !pastebin
[14:44] <Teemu> So you mean it actually might  went as planned but  my spidersences did not catch it?
[14:45] <genii-around> Teemu: Yes, exactly
[14:45] <Teemu> But before that step when i am running the "usb_modswitch" it gives out alot of different commands, but the guide has no info how to use them
[14:45] <Teemu> am i supposed to just wrote in the "usb_modswitch" and ignore all... what are they called
[14:46] <Teemu> i dont know the word but the letter which all have meanings (mb parametres?)
[14:47] <genii-around> Teemu: So then the best thing is to copy all the text which happens you run all the commands, copy that to the pastebin URL which the bot describes above, then to give us the URL of your pastebin so it can be examined and perhaps enlighten us
[14:49] <Teemu> Which commands you mean? Since i Must unplug this computer from internet while i am using another one
[14:51] <Teemu> Actually never mind, I am forced to plug everything off since theres storm coming. I hope my budy can help me while he shows up
[14:51] <Teemu> Next time ill come back with pastes if needed, thanks for tips tho
[14:51] <genii-around> Hm
[14:52] <i3luefire> hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[14:52] <i3luefire> *hi
[14:53] <genii-around> Those instructions they are following are not very good, they say everything as root instead of using sudo, also they use rmmod instead of modprobe -r and some other annoying things...
[14:53]  * genii-around makes more coffee
[17:16] <smithw> Hello. Is there anyway to add appmenu (i.e., menubar on top) support to xfce currently? All I found is an old, unmantained plugin (xfce4-appmenu-plugin) that won't even install on Xubuntu 13.04 due to dependency issues. Thanks in advance.
[17:19] <holstein> smithw: i dont know what that is.. do you have a screenshot of what you want? or more information?
[17:22] <smithw> holstein: er, it's just having the menubar from each application on the top of the screen, like OS X, Unity and KDE (with some config) can do. The menubar does not show on the window of the app anymore, just on the top panel.
[17:23] <smithw> http://lh3.ggpht.com/_1QSDkzYY2vc/TLGNzlefpdI/AAAAAAAACHE/Dso5FZf9fXk/s2000/appmenu.png <- this would be a good example, from unity
[17:23] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/27189/is-there-a-global-menu-for-the-xfce-panel
[17:24] <holstein> !info maximus
[17:25] <holstein> smithw: i think it was maximus i used back in 8.04 or so on my netbook
[17:25] <holstein> if you want something like unity... unity is a lot like unity
[17:25] <smithw> http://gnomefiles.org/content/show.php/OMG+!+XFCE+Global+Menu+%5BPPA+Ready%5D?content=146102 <- this is what I've been trying to install without success up until now.
[17:26] <holstein> up til now? so its working now?
[17:27] <smithw> holstein: I absolutely adore unity's design, but I find its bugs make it unusable for me. so I "unitified" KDE, and it works, but it's slow. now I'm trying xfce, and will see if it sticks...
[17:27] <holstein> i find auto hiding the panels to give me what i want without having to add PPA's and make XFCE do too much outside the defaults
[17:27] <smithw> holstein: nope, I meant I've been trying up until now, without success, I'm sorry
[17:28] <holstein> smithw: you'd need to ask the maintainers of those packages for support
[17:28] <holstein> i would try stepping back a bit, and see if you cant find something more "default" that will fit your needs
[17:29] <holstein> what do i do? use use a launcher like kupfer or synapse or gnome-do.. i either dont use, or autohide, or let windows maximize over the panel.. this gives me a full screen app with no extra menubar..
[17:30] <smithw> I like the menu bar on top not because of screen real estate, but because of of the "infinite height"
[17:30] <holstein> smithw: right.. i have no "menubar"
[17:58] <smithw> holstein: wait, not even the menubar for specific applications?
[18:01] <holstein> smithw: whats the question? do i use a menubar?
[18:02] <smithw> holstein: you said you have no "menubar"... I was referring all the time to applications' menubar, like GVim or xfce4-terminal have.
[18:05] <holstein> smithw: if i can use fullscreen mode, i usually do.. having no menubar
[18:06] <holstein> smithw: the way i see it, the goal is to hae only one "bar" or panel
[18:06] <holstein> i have that.. only somtimes i have none.. if you want it to look like OSX, or unity.. unity looks like osx and unity
[18:06] <holstein> otherwise, im sure there are ways of making XFCE look like that, but it could be challeninging since its not a gola of the XFC project by default to emulate OSX or unity
[18:07] <holstein> seems like you have found some pacakges via ppa that might add that funcionality.. but you wouldneed to ask them for support, since we do not make or maintain those packages
[18:08] <holstein> the package i used to use was maximus.. thats what i suggested above.. how does it work? i used it from the netbook remix
[18:10] <smithw> holstein: oh, I get it now. yeah, I would use unity (as I have for a long time), but with each new ubuntu release it appear to get more broken. actually, I found that even kde is able to emulate unity better than unity itself, and I'd be using that, if not for the bloat. I'm currently trying other options, and xfce seems to do almost everything I want from a DE, except for the global menu.
[18:11] <smithw> I tried looking for xfapplet from the link you suggested before, but it seems it's also unmantained. I'm searching for maximus right now, but I just started that (had to leave my desk for a while) and still haven't found any instructions to install it
[18:12] <holstein> i dont think anyone (except you) has said unity is getting anything but better and faster.. so, consider exploring a bug with your hardware (assuming you want to use unity)
[18:13] <holstein> i dont use it personally, so i cant say.. but i will say, i dont think adding ppa's to xubuntu to get the ui functioning on a basic level the way you want is a good idea
[18:13] <holstein> smithw: instructions to install maximus?
[18:14] <holstein> sudo apt-get install maximus
[18:14] <smithw> holstein: I just realized it's on the default repositories.
[18:14] <holstein> yup.. thats why i think it might be a "better" option
[18:14] <holstein> assuming it does what you want, with XFCE.. and i was using it with gnome, and cant say
[18:14] <smithw> holstein: yeah, I guess I've been searching a lot for esoteric things and kind of forgot of the obvious ways
[18:15] <holstein> smithw: no worries
[18:18] <smithw> holstein: anyway, thank you for your help and your time. from what I've seem, maximus does not do what I need, but I'll live without that menubar. thanks a lot
[18:19] <holstein> smithw: you might have to start it..
[18:19] <holstein> smithw: it wont be "install and enjoy".. i seem to remember starting it
[18:21] <smithw> holstein: it's just not the point of the project. it seems it's designed to maximize and undecorate every window, but that's not what I'm trying to do (except for the webbrowser, I usually use unmaximized windows).
[18:22] <holstein> smithw: its part of what you are trying to do
[18:22] <holstein> smithw: there were a few components.. anyways.. that was just happening by default in the netbook remix
[18:23] <holstein> you can see it here
[18:23] <xubuntu652> Hello >
[18:23] <holstein> http://ubuntu-netbook-remix.en.softonicdownloads.com/?kcid=247abf8d-f5ce-9bc8-d35e-00003e6ef712
[18:23] <holstein> dont download it from there BTW...
[18:24] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UNR
[18:24] <xubuntu652> Hello, I have just installed Xubuntu and im not sure how to go about changin the resolutions?
[18:25] <xubuntu652> i only have up to 1024*768 and i actually need something around 1600*900
[18:25] <holstein> smithw: looks like the window-picker-applet is what was there.. again, not sure about how it works with xfce
[18:26] <holstein> xubuntu652: sometimes, its as simple as installing a proprietary graphics driver.. if its not working as expected out of the box, i would look at
[18:26] <holstein> !graphics
[18:26] <holstein> !ati
[18:26] <holstein> if you dont have ati or nvidia, we can go from there with other options
[18:26] <smithw> holstein: installed it, runned it and now I'll have to logout/login to get window decorations back, haha. I guess I'll just live without the menubar on xfce and alternate xfce and kde depending on what I'm going to do
[18:27] <smithw> holstein: again, even if I didn't find a way to do what I wanted, I appreciate your help and effort a lot. thanks so much
[18:27] <holstein> smithw: cheers
[18:27] <xubuntu652> ok. this is just a old dell 545s no fancy graphic cards or anything
[18:28] <xubuntu652> ill check it out though
[18:28] <holstein> xubuntu652: nvidia nor ati are defined as being "fancy".. just typically requiring a proprietary driver to "fix" the issue you are having (easily)
[18:29] <xubuntu652> Intel Corporation 82G965 Integrated Graphics
[18:29] <xubuntu652> that is the output of lspci VGA
[18:29] <xubuntu652> lspci | grep VGA **
[18:32] <xubuntu652> and i dont have a xorg.conf under /etc/X11... so this is why i dont know where to go next ..
[18:33] <holstein> xubuntu652: you can put one in place, if it helps.. thats another suggestion.. sometimes (since you dont need a proprietary graphics card) i grab a knoppix live CD and boot up, and configure the desktop as i want.. and copy the xorg.conf for use with ubuntu
[18:35] <xubuntu652> so if i throw a xorg.conf in there it should read on configure based on it?
[18:35] <holstein> xubuntu652: no.. it *will* be used
[18:36] <xubuntu652> ok so basically to solve this i should get a xorg.conf from another pc paste it to /etc/X11 and it will work. correct?
[18:37] <holstein> xubuntu652: to attempt adding the functionality, you can try adding an xorg.conf that way, yes.. will it work? no one can make that guarantee
[18:37] <holstein> it literally wont hurt as long as you know how to remove it from a live CD and get back
[18:37] <xubuntu652> hahaha yes, i know noone can guarantee it ...
[18:38] <xubuntu652> this is just a test box i got so i will definetly try that
[18:38] <holstein> well, intel could... and they do OK.. but i dont think you will get them to comment on the exact issue
[18:38] <xubuntu652> ahahah ok! thank you very much for your help :)!
[18:39] <xubuntu652> i guess it will be a long afternoon ;)
[18:41] <alllexa> where to download xubuntu 12.10 from?
[18:41] <holstein> xubuntu652: good luck.. its a pretty quick day at 1024x768 :)
[18:41] <holstein> alllexa: i would get 13.04
[18:41] <holstein> !install
[18:42] <holstein> alllexa: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/quantal/release/ is found by searching "download xubuntu 12.10" in google
[18:43] <alllexa> Thanks
[18:43] <alllexa> I wanted to be sure it's secure.
[18:44] <holstein> alllexa: sure what is secure?
[18:44] <holstein> there are md5 sums for all of them..
[18:44] <holstein> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/raring/release/ for example for 13.04
[18:48] <alllexa> like I know what the md5 sum is :(
[18:51] <holstein> !volunteers | alllexa
[18:51] <holstein> !md5 | alllexa
[18:52] <holstein> alllexa: the md5 sum is a way to be sure what you are downloading is what you think it is.. one way to confirm the security of that download
[19:03] <i3luefire_> ok. i am having a problem where the computer locks up because there are too many windows and programs running because the last time i shutdown i didnt close everything. so i need to know how to tell xfce to forget about opening up the stuff i left open.
[19:05] <well_laid_lawn> save the session with nothing open
[19:05] <i3luefire_> also i end up having to type startx everytime i start the machine... i get stuck at the xubuntu loading screen and when i hit escape it shows the last thing being started is pwrstatd so then i hit ctrl+alt+f2 to type startx
[19:06] <i3luefire_> well_laid_lawn, that would be a good solution to prevent this from happening again but what do i do now?
[19:06] <well_laid_lawn> what do you mean?
[19:07] <well_laid_lawn> save the session with nothing open - log out - log in
[19:07] <holstein> i3luefire_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1816037
[19:07] <i3luefire_> i cant get into xfce fully because when i do it starts it is opening all of the stuff from the previous session. i cant log out
[19:07] <holstein> well_laid_lawn: i think the issue is that i3luefire_ cant get in to save anything
[19:08] <i3luefire_> holstein, yes that is it
[19:08] <holstein> "by deleting the ~/.cache/sessions directory" i3luefire_
[19:08] <alllexa> holstein, my apologie
[19:08] <alllexa> I'm sorry. I'm volunteer, too.
[19:08] <alllexa> have to go
[19:08] <alllexa> thanks!
[19:08] <alllexa> bye!
[19:08] <holstein> alllexa: cheers!
[19:10] <i3luefire_> that fixed it holstein
[19:11] <i3luefire_> does the fix at the top of the forum poste keep it from not happening again tho?
[19:11] <holstein> i3luefire_: i would do well_laid_lawn 's suggestion so it doesnt happen again :)
[19:11] <i3luefire_> yes
[19:11] <i3luefire_> that too
[20:25] <tich> hi. i am trying to get minecraft running for my son how do i make a file executable in thunar?
[20:26] <Sysi> right click -> properties -> permissions
[20:26] <Sysi> should be it
[20:27] <surfdaemon> also chmod?
[20:29] <tich> it isn't there. i can choose access for different users and i expected a little checkbox at the bottom but it didnt exist
[20:30] <Sysi> what xubuntu version?
[20:30] <surfdaemon> not on mine either, i'm 13.10
[20:31] <Sysi> well, you can right click -> open terminal -> chmod +x file.jar
[20:31] <tich> looks like 4.10
[20:31] <tich> oh 4.10 is the xfce version
[20:31] <Sysi> I haven't tried 13.04 yet, didn't try that on 12.10
[20:32] <surfdaemon> *.04, idk what month or year this is
[22:04] <GeneralShenaniga> Anybody know if/when the 13.04 alternate ISO will be released?
[23:36] <dark_djinn> ok, i have an ubuntu server vps...root was enabled
[23:36] <dark_djinn> i want to revert to sudo functionality...
[23:36] <dark_djinn> what commands can i run to add a user, make them sudo-able, then disable root?
[23:40] <[0gb_us]> I'm having an issue with Xubuntu 12.04.2 LTS. When I log into a Xubuntu session, I  cannot dim my screen. However, I CAN dim the screen when I log into an Ubuntu session. I've tried editing the GRUB settings as several web sites have said to do, but that doesn't fix the error in Xubuntu. In fact, it actually breaks that functionality in Ubuntu. Do you know of anything else I can try?


[10:44] <clivejo> cjwatson: we need a complete list of emails for all members, hiden or not
[10:44] <clivejo> if they are a Kubuntu member they are entitled to a vote in the Kubuntu Council election
[11:04] <wgrant> clivejo: We can't disclose that information, I'm afraid.
[11:04] <wgrant> If the user has elected to hide their email address then we can't reveal it.
[11:04] <clivejo> how was it done in the past?
[11:04] <wgrant> I'm not sure.
[13:01] <cjwatson> Possibly we sent out the emails on your behalf or something?  Do the emails need to be unique per voter?
[19:15] <mapreri> clivejo: I suppose that if they are not that many you could send the message through lp web interface at /+contactuser (those with hidden address)
[19:16] <clivejo> we need to feed the emails into http://civs.cs.cornell.edu
[19:21] <mapreri> oh, well…
[19:22] <mapreri> then (always assuming the users with hidden emails are not that many) you could contact them thought LP asking them to provide you with a email address otherwise they can't vote, and if they don't react, live with that.
[21:08] <tsimonq2> cjwatson: could I please have the capacity of ppa:kubuntu-ninjas/qt-5.7 increased to 4 GB? We're testing Qt 5.7 to land in the Kubuntu Continuous Integration system and increasing this would make sure we can properly build everything before copying to the KCI PPA.
[22:56] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: done; but next time, please use https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion for this kind of thing so that it can go in the queue and be dealt with by whoever's around, rather than asking a specific person (especially on the weekend)
[23:08] <tsimonq2> cjwatson: I'm sorry, I didn't know what that process was
[23:11] <cjwatson> No problem, like I say, for next time :)
[23:11] <tsimonq2> thanks :)


[00:00] <ronin789> Doing the movement of Electrons...
[00:00] <VampiricPadraig> Nice. I am doing Computer Network Technology
[00:01] <ronin789> not too bad...
[00:01] <ronin789> where if you don't mind If i ask...
[00:02] <VampiricPadraig> Monaghan Institute of Further Education and Training
[00:02] <ronin789> hold on a sec now your across the border... oooo
[00:02] <VampiricPadraig> ehh.. Nope
[00:02] <ronin789> very nice... over there...
[00:03] <ronin789> I've never been to the north...
[00:03] <ronin789> the furthest I went was to Ballyshannon...
[00:04] <ronin789> and Ros Point beech...
[00:04] <VampiricPadraig> don't know that area
[00:04] <ronin789> don't ya?
[00:04] <VampiricPadraig> nope. ballyshannon rings a bell but "Ros Point"...nope
[00:05] <ronin789> Right your comming to clare next summer and your going to stay in my house...
[00:05] <ronin789> And we're going to have a chat and some pints over at a neigbours...
[00:06] <VampiricPadraig> lol. Might do that :D
[00:06] <ronin789> I'm going to give you some pictures now of the area..
[00:07] <VampiricPadraig> cool
[00:07] <ronin789> If you want you can come down around September. and we can to Lisdoonvarna...
[00:08] <VampiricPadraig> Well, I will have to see what I have planned for around that time lol
[00:08] <ronin789> *go to lissdoon on a friday afternoon...
[00:08] <ronin789> Go way out of that...
[00:09] <ronin789> you'll come down on a friday afternoon and we might orginise a Lisdoonvarna festival... this year...
[00:10] <VampiricPadraig> that sounds like a plan
[00:11] <ronin789> It does in deed..
[00:12] <VampiricPadraig> Is there much nightlight in Clare btw?
[00:12] <ronin789> Yes there is but its a bit shit...
[00:13] <ronin789> I usually hang around this bar called Brandan's...
[00:14] <VampiricPadraig> Cool
[00:14] <ronin789> Its where all the mad people hang out...
[00:14] <ronin789> in Ennis...
[00:14] <VampiricPadraig> Ah yes Ennis lol
[00:15] <VampiricPadraig> I will definately go there when I get into Clare lol
[00:16] <ronin789> You'll have to thumb a lift there now....
[00:18] <VampiricPadraig> The bus is actually cheap
[00:20] <ronin789> It fairly cheap ya....
[00:21] <ronin789> *sss
[13:25] <czajkowski> aloha
[15:25] <tdr112> afternoon
[20:36] <airurando> evening
[20:39] <moylan> hi
[20:39] <airurando> hi moylan
[20:40] <moylan> all well?
[20:40] <airurando> not bad, working weekend for me though.
[20:40] <airurando> and you?
[20:41] <moylan> working weekend?  hope you're been well paid for what for most is a four day weekend!  me?  not much.
[20:42] <airurando> can complain
[20:42] <airurando> work every second weekend
[20:43] <airurando> work 7 days out of 14 though
[20:43] <airurando> 12 hour days
[20:43] <moylan> ye gods, as what?
[20:43] <tdr112> hey airurando
[20:43] <airurando> microbiologist with a biopharma company.
[20:44] <airurando> hey trd112
[20:44] <moylan> pretty cool.
[20:44] <airurando> nah, a job like any other
[20:45] <airurando> tdr112: are we go for UGJ at TOG?
[20:45] <airurando> says he with fingers and toes crossed
[20:45] <moylan> not really.  if i drop something i don't go 'did that vial contain plague?' :-D
[20:45] <tdr112> we did , i said he last week
[20:46] <airurando> missed that
[20:46] <airurando> thats great
[20:46] <airurando> 10 am start?
[20:46] <airurando> Sat?
[20:46] <tdr112> yep 10 am
[20:47] <tdr112> 2nd
[20:47] <tdr112> want to do a blog post ?
[20:47] <airurando> to clarify I heard you say it was looking good but I never heard the confirmation?
[20:47] <airurando> you read the meeting logs?
[20:48] <tdr112> not yet
[20:48] <airurando> just wondering as blog posts came up during it.
[20:50] <airurando> tdr112 when you say ´want to do a blog post ?' where are you suggesting?
[20:53] <tdr112> do you want to do one ?
[20:54] <airurando> on the ubuntu-ie website?
[20:55] <tdr112> yep , and i will copy most of it to the tog one :)
[20:57] <airurando> will do and also duplicate content to mailing list.
[20:57] <airurando> never done blog post before.
[20:57] <airurando> is it dummy proof on the website?
[20:58] <tdr112> well if you come up what to wirte i can put the blog for you
[21:00] <airurando> working tomorrow but off mon and tue.
[21:00] <airurando> will try to get it done then.
[21:01] <airurando> Iĺl put it up on the LoCo dir tonight.
[21:02] <airurando> wondering about Limerick still.
[21:05] <tdr112> there was talk on the hackerspace list about it
[21:07] <airurando> I think infoturtle is offline at the moment
[21:08] <airurando> Iḿnot sure what the problem is there
[21:09] <tdr112> there was talk on the list saying they where up for it
[21:12] <airurando> Iĺl text him to see what the story is.
[22:41] <airurando> tdr112: looking good for UGJ Limerick!


[07:18] <waxhead> well well well..  there you go
[07:19] <waxhead> hi everyone, I'm running Natty on a frontend machine and need to turn off all power saving settings as it causes problems when the frontend goes active again, however I'm struggling to find anything with google
[07:19] <waxhead> oh.. I might check the bios settings too
[11:13] <qwebirc8619> Hi,
[11:14] <qwebirc8619> I'm having problems tyring to connect to the internet using Mythbuntu 11.04
[11:15] <qwebirc8619> I'm unsure of where to start with trying to connect. The menu is different from all documentation I can find on Ubuntu


[14:22] <head_victim> cjohnston: ping re bug 804481
[14:22] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 804481 in loco-directory "Allow reading micro blogging history (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/804481
[17:17] <mhall119> head_victim: got a question about it?
[18:20] <locodir-user_> mass loco at winter and tremont?


[00:13] <optrusty> Is phunyguy here?
[00:13] <heartbleed> why
[00:14] <optrusty> because and are you an exploit or regular person
[00:14] <rww> optrusty: because why
[00:15] <optrusty> lol about meeting
[00:16] <IdleOne> what about the meeting?
[00:16] <IdleOne> Assuming you are talking about the ubuntu ops team meeting a few days ago
[00:16] <optrusty> dude the person I want is phunyguy
[00:16] <IdleOne> Well he doesn't appear to be active, perhaps we can help?
[00:16] <rww> i am phunyguy's answering machine
[00:17] <optrusty> no
[00:17] <rww> please leave an informative message after the beep
[00:17] <rww> BEEP
[00:17] <optrusty> if phunyguy comes i'm in lua
[00:17] <IdleOne> ok
[00:17] <Fuchs> poor lua
[00:17] <rww> what
[00:17] <optrusty> why?
[00:18] <Fuchs> doesn't sound terribly comfortable to have someone in you
[00:18] <rww> optrusty: what do you want to talk to phunyguy about
[00:20] <IdleOne> I have a guess
[00:20] <IdleOne> The IRCC has not yet sent out any emails concerning the op applications. They will as soon as they make their decisions
[00:21] <rww> [ r e j e c t e d ]
[00:22] <optrusty> no
[00:23] <optrusty> plz I just want phunyguy case closed.
[00:23] <rww> what phunyguy case
[00:23] <IdleOne> send him a PM
[00:23] <rww> but bringing up private issues on public channels is so fun
[00:23] <rww> as are contentless ping
[00:24] <Unit193> rww: Ping, ping, ping, ping, ping, ping. :P
[00:24] <rww> Unit193: what
[00:24] <Fuchs> silly, you have to do that in multiple lines and several channels
[00:24] <Fuchs> else it is not that annoying.
[00:25] <Unit193> OH!
[00:25] <rww> /amsg Fuchs: ping
[00:25] <Fuchs> rww: great idea, yes.
[00:25] <rww> Fuchs: fortunately the evil killbot got kicked out of the channels we share
[00:25] <rww> and in fact all channels i'm in
[00:25] <rww> coincidence
[00:26] <Fuchs> rww: doesn't stop people from manually banning you, actually
[00:26] <rww> Fuchs: implying the channels I'm in have observant ops
[00:26] <optrusty> remeber me im in lua
[00:26] <Fuchs> rww: I've recently seen that you are a named op on #defocus.  Because he likes *
[00:27] <rww> Fuchs: not really, she's clearly not paying attention
[00:27] <Fuchs> rww: maybe someone will point her at it
[00:34] <phunyguy> optrusty: what can I help you with?
[00:35] <rww> phunyguy: you didn't check your voicemail first, i feel neglected
[00:35] <phunyguy> :-/
[00:35] <phunyguy> idgi
[00:35] <rww> nvm
[00:37] <IdleOne> what sort of op doesn't check the scroll back from all the channels he is in before responding to a query
[00:37] <IdleOne> a phuny op
[00:38] <phunyguy> am I missing something?
[00:38] <IdleOne> clearly :/
[00:38] <IdleOne> but it really is not important
[00:38] <phunyguy> I don't have any other highlights
[00:38] <phunyguy> and I am in a fair amount of channels... lol
[00:41] <Fuchs> are you in lua, though?
[00:41] <Fuchs> because he said he'll be waiting in lua
[00:41] <Fuchs> might be getting a bit cramped in her, though
[00:42] <rww> doubt it, lua has 274 people in it right now
[00:42] <phunyguy> yikes
[00:42] <Fuchs> oh dear :(
[00:42] <phunyguy> I'm not entering lua just to respond to a highlight.
[00:42] <phunyguy> :)
[00:46] <optrusty> I was listening the whole time
[00:47] <IdleOne> but did you hear anything!?
[00:48] <rww> how sane
[00:52]  * jose grabs another popcorn bucket and keeps watching the movie
[00:53] <Fuchs> and now we still don't know what optrusty's request is :(
[00:53] <jose> maybe he's a channel op running trusty?
[00:54] <rww> maybe he trusts phunyguy because he's an op
[00:55] <phunyguy> lol
[00:56] <phunyguy> it really was no big deal.  optrusty, also, no apology was required.
[00:56] <phunyguy> but thanks anyway.  :)