[06:19] <stdin> depends on the filesystem tho
[06:19] <intelikey> yes there is
[06:19] <intelikey> and limit to command line length
[06:19] <genii> I usually hit the dir depth wall before the filename length wall tho
[06:20] <Pupeno_> I am using raiserfs, mv: accessing `Various Artists - Chopin Complete Edition (Disc 2) - 01 ..... .ogg': File name too long
[06:20] <Daisuke_Ido> 32k on command line length
[06:20] <Daisuke_Ido> (for me)
[06:20] <intelikey> 64k here   hmmm ?
[06:20] <Daisuke_Ido> i think
[06:20] <genii> Pupeno_ Use a wildcard
[06:21] <intelikey> oh kernel limits that and i'm not stock.
[06:21] <Pupeno_> this is no more than 512 characters.
[06:21] <Pupeno_> genii: mh ?
[06:21] <genii> eg:    mv Various*   /wherever/
[06:21] <Pupeno_> genii: I am not trying to move it to another directory, I am trying to add the last piece fo the name that is missing.
[06:22] <intelikey> genii it'll just expand that and still be too long   i think the limit is there imposed by mv and not by the kernel or the fs
[06:22] <Pupeno_> intelikey: it is the fs here I believe.
[06:22] <Pupeno_> or the kernel.
[06:23] <genii> Well, at worst just rename it something shorter
[06:23] <Dr_willis> or use 'mc' :)
[06:24] <genii> anybody feeling nostalgic for the old 8.3 limit? LOL
[06:24] <Pupeno_> genii: that means having to rename them by hand instead of by amarok, which does the hard part for me. Now I have 10 times more work because of a stupid limit.
[06:24] <Pupeno_> Dr_willis: I don't think mc would help in any way. It is a limit in the fs, not the mv command.
[06:24] <Dr_willis> genii,  we just LOVE people that want spaces and ()  's in the filenames.
[06:25] <genii> Especially spaces
[06:25] <Dr_willis> Pupeno_,  hmm...
[06:25] <Dr_willis> or the ()'s are confuseing things
[06:26] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: Just use )( :)
[06:26] <intelikey> you are right.  ext2 doesn't accept 500 char filename
[06:26] <DaSkreech> Someone has a band with 500 char?
[06:27] <Dr_willis> 500 char is not a filename.. its a book report! :)
[06:27] <DaSkreech> Pfft for Wimps
[06:27] <Dr_willis> The filename takes up more drive space.. then the actual file.
[06:27] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:27] <intelikey> doesn't accept 400 char either
[06:28] <Dr_willis> Various Artists - is 'so' descriptive :)
[06:28] <genii> I think thats why I don't have hugely horrible long filenames extremely descriptive. I put them in some dir structure that is self explanatory  eg :../Artists/Somename/    and so on
[06:28] <intelikey> what is the limit 128 ?
[06:28] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: It's a symlink
[06:29] <genii> I think 255
[06:29] <DaSkreech> genii: you hit 255 dirs inside each other?
[06:29] <intelikey> yes it accepts 256
[06:29] <genii> DaSkreech Yes
[06:30] <genii> :)
[06:31] <intelikey> lag is down to one.   i can leave now.
[06:32] <intelikey> and probably should   i don't have the lag = incohearance excuse to use now...
[06:32] <genii> !ping
[06:32] <ubotu> 64 bytes from ubotu (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=1.33 ms
[06:32] <DaSkreech> You always sound like Chewbaca anyway :)
[06:32] <intelikey> DaSkreech
[06:32] <DaSkreech> Fine forget it I'll reboot :(
[06:33] <genii> !finger genii
[06:33] <ubotu> finger: user information lookup program. In component main, is optional. Version 0.17-10 (edgy), package size 17 kB, installed size 76 kB
[06:33] <genii> I keep wondering if ubotu does some other common service if he does icmp
[06:34] <intelikey> does logging i think
[06:34] <ubuntu> do you speak english ? :D
[06:34] <intelikey> not me    Ubuntu
[06:35] <genii> Well, perhaps not the Queen's english but who can understand her anyhow?
[06:35] <DaSkreech> intelikey:
[06:35] <ubuntu> lol
[06:36] <genii> Weird ubotu opened up a direct IM window to me
[06:36] <ubuntu> intelikey:  do you speak german ?
[06:36] <intelikey> no
[06:36] <intelikey> !de
[06:36] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[06:36] <ubuntu> ^^
[06:36] <ubuntu> english so ?
[06:37] <ubuntu> !be
[06:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about be - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:37] <ubuntu> !ma
[06:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ma - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:37] <coreymon77> anyone here speak hebrew
[06:37] <coreymon77> ?
[06:37] <ubuntu> !us
[06:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about us - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:37] <ubuntu> !ue
[06:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ue - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:37] <ubuntu> !ch
[06:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ch - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:37] <coreymon77> english is my first language but i speak hebrew too
[06:37] <intelikey> not tob coreymon77
[06:37] <genii> 1cz
[06:37] <genii> bleh
[06:37] <coreymon77>
[06:37] <coreymon77>
[06:37] <coreymon77> *
[06:37] <genii> coreymon77 Cool
[06:38] <intelikey> but i'm in a console and no fonts for that here.
[06:38] <coreymon77> !he
[06:38] <ubotu>
[06:38] <ubotu> /join #ubuntu-il
[06:38] <ubuntu> coreymon77:  labes ?
[06:38] <coreymon77> that was done by me
[06:38] <coreymon77> labes?
[06:39] <coreymon77> whats that?
[06:39] <DaSkreech> Hi Jucato
[06:39] <Hawkwind> ubuntu: Please play with the bot in pm and not in the main channel.
[06:40] <DaSkreech> Hmm I can't load up google calendar
[06:40] <coreymon77> or play with lots of bots in #debian-bots
[06:41] <stdin> or #ubutnu-bots
[06:41] <Jucato> hi DaSkreech
[06:41] <stdin> (if you can spell it right)
[06:41] <coreymon77>  peanutb!
[06:41] <ubuntu> atakalamo alarabia
[06:42] <coreymon77>  JackPhil!
[06:42] <ubuntu> hi
[06:43] <genii> Geez the bots rate their own channel?
[06:43] <coreymon77>
[06:43] <ubuntu> what ?
[06:43] <coreymon77>
[06:44] <coreymon77> this is fun!
[06:44] <intelikey> x[x
[06:44] <intelikey> :)
[06:44] <Hawkwind> coreymon77: Please stop
[06:44] <coreymon77> okay
[06:45] <saree> hey all
[06:46] <genii> Since it's slow: Anyone successfully compile Conexant HSF/HCF modem drivers under Edgy or Feisty yet?
[06:46] <ubuntu> parlez franais :D
[06:46] <saree> what stage is feisty at? alpha?
[06:47] <genii> "herd 1" whatever that is LOL pre-alpha I suspect
[06:47] <Jucato> !fr | ubuntu
[06:47] <ubotu> ubuntu: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:47] <peanutb> coreymon, yes
[06:47] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato!!
[06:48] <Admiral_Chicago> bbl
[06:48] <coreymon77> ???
[06:48] <Admiral_Chicago> working on a live cd
[06:48] <coreymon77> you understand hebrew peanutb?
[06:48] <saree> i cant get my drivers to install how do i do it?
[06:48] <saree> for my vid card
[06:48] <ubuntu> Jucato:  de quoi tu parles ? mdr
[06:49] <Jucato> ubuntu: I don't speak french
[06:49] <genii> sareeWhat video card do you have? Also are you running Feisty or some previous distro?
[06:49] <Jucato> for feisty questions, #ubuntu+1 is the place to be
[06:49] <ubuntu> Jucato:  je ne comprends pas
[06:50] <ubuntu> Jucato:  hein ?
[06:50] <saree> im running dapper and its a Nvidia
[06:50] <Jucato> !fr
[06:50] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:50] <saree> how do i vheck which model?
[06:51] <peanutb> coreymon77, must have been a bug in konversation, it started blinking.
[06:51] <saree> *check
[06:51] <genii> saree It may give some clue if you do   lspci |grep NVidia
[06:51] <ubuntu> Jucato:  qu'est ce que tu raconyes ?
[06:51] <intelikey> ues lshw to vheck it ?
[06:52] <Hawkwind> ubuntu: This is an English only channel.  If you wish to speak French, please join #Ubuntu-FR or #Kubuntu-FR
[06:52] <genii> saree http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Latest_Nvidia_Dapper
[06:52] <Jucato> Hawkwind: next, he/she will be talking to you in French :P
[06:53] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Negative!
[06:53] <Hawkwind> Hah
[06:53] <saree> genii are you sure that cammand is correct?
[06:53] <Jucato> lspci | grep nVidia ?
[06:53] <genii> saree You could try    lspci |grep video
[06:54] <ubuntu> Hawkwind: ok mais quand ?
[06:54] <Hawkwind> ubuntu: I won't tell you nor ask you again.  English only
[06:54] <Jucato> Hawkwind: lol told you :P
[06:54] <Jucato> better use -i to ignore case
[06:55] <ubuntu> Hawkwind: dism oi en frnais
[06:55] <saree> nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400]
[06:55] <saree> is the card
[06:55] <Jucato> !nvidia | saree
[06:55] <ubotu> saree: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:55] <ubuntu> !atia
[06:55] <genii> saree good :) If you go to the site I just listed it has exact step by step instructions
[06:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about atia - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:55] <ubuntu> !ati
[06:55] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:56] <ubuntu> yes it's cool
[06:56] <ccherrett> I am trying to compile blender based on a doc at http://mediawiki.blender.org/index.php/BlenderDev/UbuntuBlenderCompile
[06:56] <ccherrett> I am getting umet errors
[06:56] <genii> unmet deps?
[06:56] <ccherrett> karbon: Depends: koffice-libs (>= 1:1.6.0) but 1:1.5.0-0ubuntu9 is to be installed
[06:56] <ccherrett> stuff like that
[06:56] <ubuntu> coucou genii
[06:56] <we6jbo_> I have a question
[06:57] <ccherrett> I need the newer koffice dev stuff
[06:57] <Jucato> hm.. why would blender require karbon...
[06:57] <saree> i have found the drivers on adept and have tried the legecy and other driver packages but when i run the command to use them Konsole tells me to do it manually and i dont know how
[06:57] <genii> ccherrett Install the dev version then
[06:58] <Jucato> saree: did you install nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-legacy?
[06:58] <we6jbo_> How do I install NNTPD?
[06:58] <Jucato> ccherrett: I'm pretty sure you can run the Blender version from blender.org without installing it
[06:58] <Jucato> I did it the last time I got the package from blender. just extracted the archive
[06:58] <saree> Jucato i have tried both
[06:58] <genii> ccherrett eg: sudo apt-get install koffice-dev
[06:58] <ccherrett> Jucato: I want the cvs code
[06:59] <Jucato> ccherrett: the CVS code doesn't come with an executable?
[06:59] <ubuntu> salut tout le monde
[06:59] <intelikey> wooow   cat /bin/bash   plays some moores code stuff that's really criptic......
[07:00] <Jucato> saree: then? did you run "sudo nvidia-xconfig" in Konsole already?
[07:00] <we6jbo_> What's a clock cycle?
[07:00] <ccherrett> Jucato: it does not look that way
[07:01] <saree> i ran sudo nvidia-glx-config enable and it told me to change the file manually but i dont know how
[07:01] <Jucato> ccherrett: ah yeah.. from CVS repository...
[07:02] <genii> we6bo A clock cycle as relating to what? NNTP ?
[07:02] <Jucato> ccherrett: although I can't understand why it would require koffice...
[07:02] <Jucato> saree: your card is legacy already, I presume?
[07:03] <ertanto> test
[07:03] <Jucato> ccherrett: are you on Dapper or Edgy?
[07:03] <intelikey> ertanto beep
[07:03] <Jucato> fail
[07:03] <saree> the card listed above is the 1 i am running and i am presuming that it is legacy coz it is GeForce2
[07:04] <intelikey> Y Jucato :)
[07:04] <genii> Jucato He has a GEForce2
[07:04] <ccherrett> Jucato: Dapper
[07:04] <Jucato> genii: oh so GeForce2 is legacy? hehe didn't know
[07:04] <Jucato> saree: using pastebin, can you show the output of nvidia-glx-config enable?
[07:05] <Jucato> saree: also, have you tried the command "nvidia-xconfig"?
[07:05] <ccherrett> Jucato: what does this mean?: kivio: Depends: koffice-libs (>= 1:1.6.0) but 1:1.5.0-0ubuntu9 is to be installed
[07:05] <genii> Jucato saree>	nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400]
[07:05] <saree> thats what thwe discription in adept says does the other driver work with your card?
[07:05] <Jucato> genii: well I didn't know which cards were legacy or not :)
[07:05] <saree> how do i use paste bin?
[07:05] <genii> !pastebin | saree
[07:05] <ubotu> saree: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:06] <aloyarc> Reading state information... Done
[07:06] <aloyarc> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[07:06] <aloyarc> is there a way to fix this ?
[07:06] <stdin> ignore it
[07:07] <ccherrett> if I run apt-get -f install will that cause trouble for me?
[07:07] <genii> aloyarc Just routine housekeeping
[07:07] <Jucato> aloyarc: or if you're absolutely sure they're no longer needed/used (only if you're absolutely sure) "sudo apt-get autoremove"
[07:07] <aloyarc>  well, i am not absolutly sure, but we about to see what happens
[07:08] <genii> ccherrett What, you want to force intall of.. Blender?
[07:08] <aloyarc> is there a way to clean the menu up automatically ?
[07:08] <genii> ccherrett Sorry, I see now your prev post
[07:08] <DaSkreech> Ooook
[07:09] <stdin> genii: -f is to fix broken, not force :)
[07:09] <DaSkreech> So. How do I recover a dead/dying/deceased File system?
[07:09] <Linux_Galore> playing: http://addicted.puredj.com:8000/
[07:09] <Jucato> ccherrett: which command in the guide specifically causes these koffice errors to appear?
[07:10] <DaSkreech> Cause this drive is D-E-D
[07:10] <genii> DaSkreech Well, there is an ancient trick but you need bravery
[07:10] <ccherrett> Jucato: I ran the apt-get command with all the packages in a row
[07:10] <ccherrett> sudo apt-get install build-essential cvs scons libopenal-dev libalut-dev \ libsdl1.2-dev ftgl-dev libpng3-dev libjpeg62-dev libtiff4-dev libopenexr-dev \ libnspr-dev mozilla-dev libglut3-dev python2.4-dev libxmu-dev libarts1-dev \ libsmpeg-dev arts
[07:10] <Jucato> use a live cd to transfer data to some other drives?
[07:10] <Linux_Galore> there is a command line app called recover, not sure it kubuntu has it on the repo
[07:10] <Jucato> hm... very strange...
[07:11] <ccherrett> some of the packages were at their latest
[07:11] <Jucato> can you try them one by one?
[07:11] <ccherrett> but I am concerned to mess up the 1.6.0 koffice stuff I installed today
[07:11] <DaSkreech> genii: Speak Brave Lungs!
[07:11] <ccherrett> Jucato: will do
[07:11] <JackPhil> how to watch (listen) online (embeded) media in firefox?
[07:12] <DaSkreech> Jucato: I can't mount the drive anymore :(
[07:12] <saree> Jucato http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/317/
[07:12] <Jucato> DaSkreech: even from Live CD's?
[07:12] <DaSkreech> I was mounting it from the Live CD awhile ago
[07:12] <DaSkreech>  It froze the machine when I tried to copy from it
[07:12] <genii> DaSkreech If the circuit board is OK and just platter issue: Put drive in a ziplock bag.  Then yank it out and *quickly* hook it up not near any heat sources. Then fast like abunny try to mount/retrieve whatever you can
[07:12] <DaSkreech>  I rebooted and now I can't mount it
[07:13] <DaSkreech> genii: The heat is making it not able to mount?
[07:13] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech: remove the IDE cable and clean it
[07:13] <ccherrett> Jucato: it seems to hold on to those umet errors no matter what
[07:13] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech: might just be dirt in the contacts
[07:13] <DaSkreech> Linux_Galore: May be on to something
[07:14] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech: I find some time removing the ide cable and just putting it back on is enough
[07:14] <genii> DaSkreech In almost-terminal platter failure freezing the drive causes the platter to contract and the data is sometimes accassible until it warms up again
[07:14] <Jucato> ccherrett: hm... do you have any koffice apps or repositories installed?
[07:14] <DaSkreech> genii: So basically the longer I keep the machine on the more hopeless it becomes?
[07:14] <Jucato> saree: what does the command "sudo nvidia-xconfig" give?
[07:14] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech: could be a number of things
[07:14] <ccherrett> Jucato: yes I just installed 1.6.0 so I could develop a plugin for krita
[07:14] <genii> DaSkreech Well, it all depends if the circuit board is cooked. If circuits ffired no other thing but a new controllewr board will work really
[07:15] <DaSkreech> Linux_Galore: The drive Clicks if that helps and Windows can no longer boot from it
[07:15] <Jucato> ccherrett: that might be causing the problem...
[07:15] <genii> Clicking = terminal
[07:15] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech: could be a bad contact, you only need one and the drive wont work
[07:15] <ccherrett> Jucato: is there a way to get around it?
[07:15] <DaSkreech> :-)
[07:15] <Jucato> ccherrett: I'm not really sure... but can you pastebin your sources.list?
[07:16] <DaSkreech> Linux_Galore: And that contact can poke it's head up in the middle of doing a copy?
[07:16] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech: remove the cable try clean out as much dust as you can and try again
[07:16] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech: all metal corrodes or build up a layer of dirt, after a while is can cause an open circuit in a contacts
[07:17] <Linux_Galore> buils*
[07:17] <Linux_Galore> builds*
[07:17] <Ch1ppy> hey, I want to autostart a program, but the program needs a certain param, how would I do this?
[07:17] <genii> DaSkreech i'd only recommend the freezer method BTW if any and all conventional therapies lead nowhere. YMMV
[07:18] <Jucato> Ch1ppy: go to ~/.kde/Autostart, right-click -> Create new -> Link to Application
[07:18] <Linux_Galore> although hardisks do fail though, especially if they are not ventilated well
[07:18] <Jucato> fill in the details in there
[07:18] <Ch1ppy> Jucato: will that allow params though?
[07:18] <killermach__> I need to scan my local network to find which IPs are in use, anyone know a tool for this?
[07:18] <Jucato> yes
[07:18] <Ch1ppy> Jucato: ah, mkay, thanks :)
[07:18] <genii> killermach__ nmap
[07:19] <ccherrett> Jucato: http://pastebin.com/850063
[07:19] <Ch1ppy> Jucato: hm, what if I wanted to sh a script?
[07:19] <saree> Jucato sudo nvidia-xconfig gives nothing
[07:19] <Ch1ppy> Jucato: nevermind
[07:19] <DaSkreech> killermach__: ping -b
[07:19] <Jucato> saree: as in, no such command, or no errors?
[07:20] <killermach__> genii: nmap.. that's the one I could not remember, and a search in synaptic for "scanner" does not produce it :) thanks
[07:20] <genii> Ch1ppy I just wen thru this earlier tonight. You can execute a shell script in Konsole by having a launcher with command:    konsole --noclose -e /the/shell/script.sh
[07:21] <genii> killermach__ No problem :)
[07:21] <Ch1ppy> genii: awesome, thanks
[07:21] <saree> jucato as in command not found
[07:22] <Jucato> oooh so --noclose was the option! thanks genii
[07:22] <genii> ch1ppy :) You can specify terminal size also if the default is too tiny
[07:22] <genii> Jucato I had to find it earlier, drove me nuts
[07:22] <Jucato> ccherrett: hm.. I'm really confused...
[07:23] <ccherrett> Jucato: why
[07:23] <Jucato> ccherrett: well, first of all, I don't understand why those packages would ask for karbon...
[07:23] <genii> ch1ppy eg --vt_sz 80x40 as a switch
[07:24] <Ch1ppy> genii: nice, thanks!
[07:24] <genii> Jucato I wonder if there is something in the Blender rendering engine which uses some core from karbon
[07:24] <Jucato> genii: afaik, no... although the "arts" package in that list makes me wonder...
[07:24] <ccherrett> Jucato: I just ran and sudo apt-get -f install and it installed koffice-lib and it did not break krita
[07:24] <genii> ch1ppy Enjoy LOL
[07:25] <ccherrett> Jucato: now I get new umet errors
[07:25] <Jucato> ccherrett: :O
[07:25] <ccherrett>   mozilla-dev: Conflicts: libnspr-dev but 2:1.firefox1.5.dfsg+<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu0.6.06 is to be installed
[07:25] <Jucato> ok that's for the listed packages...
[07:25] <genii> wtf ?
[07:25] <Jucato> I think...
[07:26] <genii> It's like some hydra LOL
[07:26] <Jucato> genii: do you fully type their nicks?
[07:26] <DaSkreech> !tab
[07:26] <ubotu> You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[07:26] <Jucato> :)
[07:26] <DaSkreech> !botsnack
[07:26] <ubotu> Yum!
[07:26] <genii> Jucato Yes, Chatzilla has no handy shortcuts like Xchat
[07:26] <ccherrett> Jucato: ok that package is in the list to install
[07:27] <ccherrett> Jucato: I am pretty new to ubuntu and have not figured out my way around these types of errors
[07:27] <Jucato> genii: Tab completion is almost a norm in every IRC client :)
[07:27] <Jucato> ccherrett: I'm not new to kubuntu, and I still can't fully understand those errors :)
[07:27] <genii> Jucato: Heh whaddya know it works
[07:27] <Jucato> I'm no expert :P
[07:28] <Jucato> heh lol :)
[07:29] <ccherrett> before the message was unmet dependencies
[07:29] <ccherrett> now it is broken package
[07:30] <Jucato> :O
[07:30] <Jucato> sudo apt-get -f install again?
[07:30] <genii> What package?
[07:30] <monzie> hi all
[07:31] <monzie> problems with digikam here
[07:31] <monzie> uploading to flickr fails everytime. can someone tell me if there is a problem with digikam?
[07:31] <Jucato> monzie: you can also ask in #digikam
[07:31] <Jucato> if asking here in in #kde doesn't work :P
[07:32] <ccherrett> Jucato: ok forget mozilla-dev it is just used to build the webplugin that I don't need now
[07:32] <ccherrett> all installed
[07:32] <ccherrett> thanks
[07:32] <Jucato> what did I do? :P
[07:32] <Jucato> you figured out everything yourself :)
[07:34] <genii> Damn. No port of FreeSide to Ubuntu server et
[07:34] <jlowell> I know this isnt safe, but does anyone know how to stop kdesu from asking for a password?
[07:35] <stdin> yes
[07:35] <jlowell> how?
[07:35] <DaSkreech> jlowell: Yup pretty easy
[07:35] <stdin> oh, you want to know how? :P
[07:35] <jlowell> stdin: please
[07:35] <stdin> jlowell: add your self to the sudoers group
[07:36] <Jucato> DaSkreech: it won't... because it's not recommended :P
[07:36] <stdin> jlowell: * sudo group
[07:36] <Jucato> but I think the RootSudo page might have some hints
[07:36] <DaSkreech> Jucato: We have loads of stuff not recommened and ubotu has factiods for it
[07:36] <DaSkreech>  mostly to say it's not recommeded
[07:37] <purpleposeidon> what's the difference between a suggested package and a recomended package? They're synonyms!
[07:37] <stdin> jlowell: you'll have to logout and back in again for it to take effect
[07:37] <DaSkreech> Or at least a wiki page that has 4 pages of why you shouldn't do it followed by 4 lines turning it on
[07:38] <DaSkreech> purpleposeidon: Where did you see a suggested package?
[07:38] <genii> uggested = possibly you may want this   recommended = You more than likely want this
[07:38] <purpleposeidon> apt-get vlc
[07:38] <saree> jucato do you have any ideas about my7 vid driver problem? sorry i was AFK a few minutes
[07:39] <DaSkreech> !info vlc
[07:39] <ubotu> vlc: multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1120 kB, installed size 3240 kB
[07:40] <jlowell> ok so just: damn I forgot how to add my user to a group... with gpasswd ?
[07:40] <genii> Has anyone used FreeSide before?  I'm toying with porting it
[07:40] <DaSkreech> genii: tell me what it is :)
[07:40] <genii> jlowell: Just add to /etc/group
[07:40] <purpleposeidon> genii: i don't think the difference is obvious
[07:40] <stdin> jlowell: why not just use the GUI in System Settings
[07:41] <genii> DaSkreech It's open-source software for backends of ISP stuff like automated billing, time usage tracking for voip customers and more
[07:42] <DaSkreech> WHy is it called FreeSide?
[07:42] <genii> DaSkreech:   http://www.sisd.com/freeside/
[07:42] <Jucato> saree: hm.. not really...
[07:43] <jlowell> genii: I'm already in /etc/group
[07:43] <DaSkreech> genii: They sell it for 3000
[07:43] <purpleposeidon> someone should change it!
[07:43] <DaSkreech> I'll assume that's US dolars
[07:43] <saree> how could i open the file mentioned in my paste using commands?
[07:44] <genii> DaSkreech:   It's open source. they only charge if you want to leave it all to them to put in their own embedded box and watch it for you
[07:44] <Jucato> saree: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:44] <Jucato> saree: not really sure what good that would do, though...
[07:44] <DaSkreech> Yeha but it's a pretty penny of worth
[07:44] <saree> Jucato worth a try though
[07:45] <Jucato> saree: also worth a try backing up that file: sudo /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup
[07:45] <stdin> Jucato: you missed the 'cp'
[07:45] <saree> k
[07:45] <Jucato> lol sorry
[07:46] <jlowell> genii: I'm already in /etc/group
[07:46] <genii> DaSkreech We use it on some old FBSD 4.8 servers at my work, it's great
[07:46] <Jucato> saree: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup
[07:47] <genii> jlowell If you open up /etc/group and see the different group types.  So you can add usera   to group adm for instance and they now have sudo
[07:47] <jlowell> ok but what I'm wanting to do is not have kdesu ask for any password at all.
[07:48] <stdin> jlowell: find the line starting "sudo:x:27:" and add your user name to the end, save it, logout and back in
[07:49] <e1> how can i get kmldonkey to use bitorrent and emule? right now it just uses shareaza and donkey
[07:49] <saree> jucato do i edit the backup or the file?
[07:49] <Jucato> saree: hm.. the file. the backup is your working copy a.k.a. backup
[07:50] <jlowell> trying now thx stdin/genii
[07:50] <genii> stdin Thx, I was looking up what group was needed LOL
[07:50] <stdin> :)
[07:50] <saree> jucato to edit in kate can i just replace nano with kate?
[07:51] <Jucato> saree: if you're going to use kate, use "kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[07:51] <genii> Ah, xorg.conf editing :) such are the joys of manual driver insertions
[07:52] <stdin> editing xorg.conf teaches you to backup :P
[07:53] <Jucato> I'm actually baffled at the error message saree got... as I have no experience with using the legacy drivers..
[07:53] <karmikaze> what other x servers are there apart from xfree and xorg??
[07:53] <genii> lindows
[07:54] <Jucato> xfree and xorg are implementation of the x window system, afaik
[07:54] <genii> Jucato: Some GL related error?
[07:54] <Jucato> genii: no. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/317/
[07:54] <genii> OK lemme look
[07:54] <Jucato> saying that xorg.conf has been modified, need to check/change the md5sum blahblah foo
[07:54] <Jucato> that's not mine,btw
[07:55] <stdin> aah, I've seen that before
[07:55] <dwidmann> qtopia?
[07:55] <saree> jucato i have made my edit now how do i check to see if it worked?
[07:55] <Jucato> saree: yep
[07:55] <Jucato> and cross your fingers :P
[07:56] <stdin> it happens when you edit xorg.conf after enabling nvidia
[07:56] <genii> Jucato: I don't think it's anything fatal. You may ave to install tee or multitee tho to execute the fix that is suggested
[07:56] <stdin> tee should be already installed
[07:57] <Jucato> it actually is, afaik
[07:57] <saree> ok i am going to admit im n00b so how do i do that
[07:57] <genii> aree ctrl-alt-backspace
[07:57] <genii> saree ctrl-alt-backspace
[07:57] <Jucato> genii: tab completion for your sanity :)
[07:58] <genii> heh
[07:58] <DaSkreech> :-)
[07:58] <we6jbo> hi
[07:59] <ccherrett> man I am having seg faults from gcc. Can I downgrade with apt?
[08:00] <genii> saree: Did you first do the command suggested in the pastebin?
[08:00] <saree> well i ctrl-alt-backspaced but nothing i have is 3d so how do i know if it worked?
[08:00] <Jucato> ccherrett: downgrade to?
[08:00] <genii> saree eg: md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf | sudo tee /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum
[08:00] <e1> is there a channel for file sharing like bitorrent and stuff?
[08:01] <genii> e1 Not here
[08:01] <ccherrett> gcc 3.4
[08:01] <saree> i never got your pastebin  but i will now try that command
[08:01] <ccherrett> Jucato^
[08:01] <e1> genii not here as in not in this channe, or there is no such channel
[08:01] <genii> saree: try to run   kdegears
[08:02] <MilhousePunkRock> e1: Use the channel search
[08:02] <Jucato> ccherrett: not sure if that's a good thing... you can, however, install an older gcc version, and use export CC=gcc3.4 or something before compiling
[08:02] <Jucato> genii: glxgears
[08:02] <genii> e1 Because of the lagalities I do not think there is a channel on this site for that purpose
[08:02] <saree> is that a game i need to download?
[08:02] <MilhousePunkRock> e1: Most likely every torrent client will have a channel...
[08:02] <Jucato> saree: you haven't run the nvidia-glx command again?
[08:02] <e1> MilhousePunkRock cool, how do i open channel search
[08:02] <we6jbo> I have a question
[08:03] <saree> no didnt know i had to?
[08:03] <we6jbo> not related to Ubuntu
[08:03] <e1> genii ic, i'll try if i can find any
[08:03] <genii> saree: sorry Jucato has correct program to run. glxgears     You can install it if not already in by   sudo apt-get install glxgears
[08:03] <ccherrett> Jucato: can that be done with apt to install the other gcc at the same time at gcc 4.0.3?
[08:03] <we6jbo> How big are DVDs in MB or GB?
[08:03] <Jucato> ccherrett: yes
[08:03] <stdin> genii: again glxgears is install by default :p
[08:04] <genii> saree: At command line to query GL    glxinfo
[08:04] <saree> the package couldn't be found
[08:04] <MilhousePunkRock> e1: /list opens the channellist, from there you can search
[08:04] <MilhousePunkRock> e1: At least in Konversation
[08:04] <Jucato> saree: it's installed by default already
[08:04] <genii> stdin I have this need to assume nothing is installed by default
[08:04] <e1> MilhousePunkRock yeah i'm using konversation, i just thought the list would be wayyy long
[08:04] <Jucato> saree: glxinfo | grep -i rendering
[08:05] <e1> direct rendering: yes ;-)
[08:05] <MilhousePunkRock> e1: It is, but you can search from the channel list to narrow down the results
[08:05] <stdin> genii: yeah, I know it's not good to assume anything, but I'm being pedantic :p
[08:05] <e1> MilhousePunkRock thx alot
[08:05] <ccherrett> Jucato: do I just run apt-get install gcc3.4
[08:05] <saree> direct rendering = yes is the response
[08:05] <Jucato> ccherrett: yes. but gcc4.x will still remain your default
[08:05] <Jucato> saree: congratulations!
[08:06] <e1> Jucato can gcc4.x do stuff that's done by gcc3.x
[08:06] <saree> yay i now have 3d drivers
[08:06] <e1> Jucato cuz in the installation of something, it said i don't have gcc3.x, so something isn't installed
[08:06] <e1> Jucato but i had gcc4.x installed
[08:06] <genii> saree: First efore rejoicing try the glxgears   :)
[08:06] <saree> does that mean i can now try xgl and compiz?
[08:07] <Jucato> saree: on your legacy video card? not so sure...
[08:07] <aloyarc> what does .mcop do ?
[08:07] <e1> saree do:   glxgears -printfps
[08:07] <saree> the gears work
[08:07] <stdin> saree: you may find beryl easier to install on kubutnu, compiz is very gnome-centric
[08:07] <genii> !mcop | aloyarc
[08:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mcop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:07] <genii> darn bot
[08:08] <Jucato> e1: I'm just saying that he can have 2 or more versions of gcc installed, with gcc4.x as default, and use gcc3.x when necessary, through export CC
[08:08] <stdin> +1 vote for !botslap
[08:08] <stdin> :P
[08:08] <saree> 50 frames in 5.0 seconds =  9.978 FPS
[08:08] <genii> aloyarc Basically it's antispan/anti probing settings
[08:08] <genii> antispaM
[08:09] <aloyarc> for konq/kontact ?
[08:09] <saree> genii is ^^ good?
[08:09] <genii> saree: Yes very good :)
[08:09] <e1> Jucato o cool, yeah i was trying to see if i need to install gcc3.x if i had gcc4.x installed already, i'm total newbie =)
[08:10] <genii> aloyarc Yeah
[08:10] <genii> stdin Smartass
[08:10] <Jucato> e1: most of the time, you don't need to. but in case you do, it's possible :)
[08:10] <aloyarc> i think i just did something bad ... i rm -rf .*
[08:10] <genii> LOL
[08:10] <stdin> genii: yep :D
[08:10] <e1> i get upwards max 7000'ish on a nvidia geforce fx 5900 with glxgears
[08:10] <Jucato> aloyarc: depends on where you did that...
[08:10] <saree> now how would i go about installing xgl+beryl?
[08:10] <e1> Jucato cool thx alot
[08:10] <aloyarc> in /home/myhomedirectory
[08:10] <stdin> !beryl | saree
[08:10] <ubotu> saree: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[08:11] <saree> i know my card is crap but this is a 5 yrold testing machine
[08:11] <Jucato> gah I'm so slow today in typing!!!
[08:11] <Jucato> aloyarc: oh, you just deleted your whole home dir
[08:11] <aloyarc> nope, just the . files
[08:11] <Jucato> aloyarc: or maybe not
[08:11] <saree> i think its 5 yr old
[08:11] <Jucato> yeah
[08:11] <genii> saree: Close to 10 fps is fine for pretty much whatever you need
[08:11] <Jucato> lol didn't see the .
[08:11] <Jucato> saree: how much video ram do you have?
[08:12] <genii> Jucato: Just wiped user settings
[08:12] <stdin> saree: how to install xgl: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/Xgl and for beryl: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/InstallingBeryl
[08:12] <Jucato> saree: better ask the guys over at #ubuntu-xgl if your specs are alright
[08:12] <aloyarc> er, yep, i am getting errors now
[08:12] <saree> * asks Jucato the command to check (think its 32\
[08:12] <e1> saree if u use nvidia cards, u don't need xgl, someone correct if i'm wrong
[08:12] <Jucato> ah that I don't know...
[08:12] <genii> saree: Realtime would be ~30 fps so 10 is a bit jerky but tolerable
[08:14] <saree> im fine with jerky
[08:14] <saree> so no need for xgl ?
[08:14] <Jucato> "need" for xgl? there is no need for it
[08:15] <ayeizajedi> morning all
[08:15] <Jucato> it's not a necessity for a perfectly functional system
[08:15] <saree> no i mean no need to install it coz u said its already there
[08:15] <Jucato> hm... young padawan?
[08:15] <genii> aloyarc Well, exiting and restarting will restore a lot of the settings files but maybe not all
[08:15] <Rob-West> dpeace out homies
[08:16] <genii> saree: xgl and nvidia I don't know.   xgl and ATI yes
[08:17] <stdin> saree: unless you installed xserver-xgl you don't have xgl
[08:17] <saree> righto i will fire up adept and get me some xgl stuff
[08:18] <stdin> saree: this is the help page for installing xgl: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/Xgl
[08:18] <digitalfreedom> my primary HDD will be called hda by linux no matter if it has an OS on it or not correct?
[08:18] <Jucato> saree: the topic in #ubuntu-xgl also points to some useful pages
[08:18] <Jucato> digitalfreedom: yes
[08:18] <saree> adept is taking a while to load lol
[08:18] <stdin> digitalfreedom: correct
[08:18] <digitalfreedom> Jucato: THANX
[08:19] <digitalfreedom> sorry bout the caps
[08:19] <digitalfreedom> ty stdin as well
[08:19] <stdin> :)
[08:19] <digitalfreedom> i thought so but i had to ask
[08:19] <Jucato> primary master = hda, primary slave = hdb, secondary master = hdc, secondary slave = hdd
[08:19] <stdin> you don't ask, you won't know :D
[08:19] <Jucato> at least that's how it is for me
[08:19] <genii> digitalfreedom: If your primary hd is master on forst IDE, then hda   if slave/primary IDE then hdb etc. Then most sata are sda sdb  etc    SCSI is also   sda sdb   etc
[08:20] <digitalfreedom> yeah i need to install something on it
[08:20] <stdin> genii: unless you run 2.6.19 then hda is sda :P
[08:20] <wilman> is there a way i can copy a tekst out of a screen?
[08:20] <digitalfreedom> ty genii
[08:20] <wilman> like a notify screen
[08:20] <Jucato> ok. I'm outta here! (short nap)
[08:20] <Jucato> Uptime: 3 days, 23 hours and 35 minutes
[08:20] <deadman> hey Jucato
[08:20] <genii> digitalfreedom: Np :) See stdin 's caveat just above if you run cutting edge kernel
[08:21] <digitalfreedom> im soo looking forward to kde 4
[08:21] <e1> test
[08:21] <wilman> iam so looking forward for beryl 2
[08:21] <genii> 4.2 is latest KDE now :)
[08:21] <hybrid_> im looking forward to figuring out how to get rid of the info windows when i mouse over the K menu and suck
[08:21] <Jucato> hybrid_!!! long time!
[08:21] <hybrid_> such
[08:21] <digitalfreedom> 4.2 be out and ready?
[08:21] <hybrid_> and yes im new to KDE
[08:21] <genii> digitalfreedom: Yup
[08:21] <digitalfreedom> im so getting it now
[08:22] <hybrid_> Jucato: running Kubuntu in Parallels =)
[08:22] <saree> does that mean plasma has arrived?
[08:22] <digitalfreedom> hello synaptic
[08:22] <Jucato> hybrid_: right-click panel -> configure panel -> appearance -> uncheck  Enable icon mouseover effects
[08:22] <Jucato> saree: no
[08:22] <hybrid_> thanks Jucato
[08:22] <saree> dang
[08:22] <genii> digitalfreedom: in kde-dev I think is where to install from. Perhaps another but anyhow  -dev   at end
[08:22] <Jucato> obviously, sarcasm doesn't work that well in IRC genii
[08:22] <hybrid_> YaY
[08:23] <genii> Jucato: You need the  ;)   for sarcasm I think LOL
[08:23] <Jucato> unfortunately, you only used :)
[08:23] <genii> hybrid_ You running some PVM ??
[08:24] <digitalfreedom> i can get it from the site i guess
[08:24] <hybrid_> genii: yes im a mac user but i support ubuntu
[08:24] <hybrid_> so Kubuntu is running in Parallels
[08:24] <Jucato> ok now I'm really gone :)
[08:25] <Khybrid> gnight Jucato
[08:25] <digitalfreedom> it only says 3.5 on the site
[08:25] <Jucato> digitalfreedom: don't tell me you actually believed genii?
[08:25] <digitalfreedom> well i havent checked in a while
[08:25] <digitalfreedom> so you know
[08:26] <digitalfreedom> hahaha
[08:26] <Jucato> 4.2 can't be out... because KDE 4 isn't even out (or half built...)
[08:26] <digitalfreedom> i didnt know
[08:26] <genii> Thats messed last I looked there was a 4.x release notice... lemme reserch
[08:26] <Jucato> actually.. probably half-built...
[08:26] <Jucato> bah... don't know how much is built. it starts up and runs.. a bit... :)
[08:27] <Jucato> Khybrid: it isn't night time yet... I'm just gonna take a quick afternoon nap... :P
[08:27] <Khybrid> ah hehe
[08:27] <Khybrid> its 1:30am here
[08:27] <Jucato> genii: oh so you weren't being sarcastic? :O
[08:27] <genii> Jucato No, just onfused apparently
[08:27] <Jucato> I think you were referring to the 2nd KDE 4 snapshot, called Krash or KDE 3.80.2
[08:28] <genii> *Confused*
[08:28] <Jucato> heh apparently :)
[08:28] <Jucato> Khybrid: go to bed! :P
[08:28] <Khybrid> BAH! go take a nap
[08:29] <genii> Jucato Most likely 3.80.2 / snapshot being 2nd relese messed my mind up
[08:31] <genii> Wow I need coffee
[08:31] <stdin> coffee is good
[08:32] <method|> anyone know what i have to do in apache to make http://whatevermyipis display my webpage like it does when i use http://localhost?
[08:32] <method|> im a total apache noob
[08:33] <Khybrid> method|: portforward
[08:33] <Khybrid> method|: set your router to forward port 21 to that internal IP
[08:33] <method|> thanks a lot ill see if that works
[08:33] <stdin> 21 ??
[08:33] <genii> method|    sudo   echo "Listen <IP_ADDRESS>:80" >> /etc/apache2/ports.conf      xcept put your right IP in there
[08:33] <Khybrid> isnt 21 http?
[08:34] <stdin> no that's ftp
[08:34] <Khybrid> whats http?
[08:34] <stdin> http is 80
[08:34] <Khybrid> d'oh
[08:34] <Khybrid> thanks stdin
[08:34] <stdin> no Khybrid :)
[08:34] <stdin> no *problem
[08:34] <stdin> need more coffee (or less)
[08:35] <Khybrid> all out =/
[08:35] <stdin> i'm never out of coffee, unless the store runs out :p
[08:36] <Khybrid> im not old enough to drive =/
[08:36] <dwidmann> stdin: you live at the store? j/k
[08:36] <genii> stdin Me either :) When that happens I've been know to fish coffee grinds out of the garbage and recycle them
[08:36] <stdin> dwidmann: no, but the store is a 2 min walk away :D
[08:36] <dwidmann> convenience at its best :)
[08:37] <stdin> genii: I've never been quite that desperate :p
[08:37] <dwidmann> I take from a variety of caffeine rich sources :)
[08:37] <dwidmann> I don't run out of all of them, period
[08:37] <genii> stdin: Well, it's not like they are loose in there... sitting on top still in the filter etc is acceptable
[08:38] <stdin> ahh, I'll let you off then :p
[08:38] <genii> It was a sad day when Jolt cola was taken off the shelves
[08:38] <Khybrid> 0.o
[08:38] <Khybrid> you can still get ut
[08:38] <Khybrid> it
[08:39] <Khybrid> amoung many new flavours
[08:39] <genii> Khybrid: The stores all around here got pressure from PTA since 3 schools = wired angry kids on caffeine
[08:39] <dwidmann> if you order it online, most likely for more than it's worth
[08:39] <foob> ugh. firefox2 twice today has crashed kde so bad i had to hit the reset button on my computer. absolutely no keyboard keys would work, not alt+f1, not ctrl+alt+backspace, not any of the sysrq commands, well the first time it crashed alt+sysrq+b worked but not the second. how can i prevent this stuff? the first time it crashed i did a 'view page source' on a web page and the second time i was just lookin at a myspace profile
[08:39] <Khybrid> Bawls <3
[08:40] <dwidmann> I've been meaning to try bawls, but haven't been wanting to pay an arm and a leg for it ...
[08:40] <genii> foob Revert to 1.5.0.x ?
[08:40] <foob> well im not sure it's just firefox that would do it and not other browsers too
[08:41] <foob> should i 'nice' it or somethin and give it less priority over my cpu/memory or something?
[08:41] <Khybrid> if i can ssh to something can i sftp to it?
[08:41] <genii> foob Try to see if it fails miserably on Konqueror
[08:41] <genii> Khybrid: No, different ports
[08:41] <foob> how come apps don't do what they do in windows and say 'program not responding' with an 'end now' button
[08:42] <foob> so i dont have to reboot to fix it
[08:42] <Khybrid> genii: is there a server i need to install to do so?
[08:42] <stdin> foob: they do when they hang, but not when they take up 100% CPU power
[08:42] <foob> how can i make it impossible for firefox to take 100% cpu power
[08:42] <genii> Khybrid: You are running a server at home/somewhere  you ssh into from outside and you want secure ftp as well?
[08:43] <method|> how do I figure out what my ip address is in konsole?
[08:43] <Khybrid> genii: it is a local box
[08:43] <foob> ifconfig
[08:43] <Khybrid> method|: local ip? ifconfig
[08:43] <Khybrid> external needs something like ipchicken.com
[08:43] <genii> nah just syndns and port-forwarding
[08:44] <genii> dyndns
[08:44] <Khybrid> i got it genii
[08:44] <genii> Khybrid: Anyhow give me a minute and I'll look into packagename for that
[08:45] <FisherP> Hi
[08:45] <genii> Khybrid: VSFTP  is packagename
[08:45] <FisherP> is anyone here a Digikam expert?? I want to upgrade/install the new version 0.9 onto my dapper installation
[08:46] <genii> !vsftp | Khybrid
[08:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vsftp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:46] <Khybrid> i got it genii
[08:46] <genii> darn u ubotu! LOL
[08:46] <stdin> another vote for !botslap
[08:46] <genii> Khybrid: OK :)
[08:46] <beau_> whats a good txt based unix distro? or linux
[08:46] <Khybrid> txt based?
[08:47] <beau_> text
[08:47] <stdin> beau_: ubuntu server
[08:47] <Khybrid> do a server install
[08:47] <beau_> really?
[08:47] <stdin> yeah
[08:47] <beau_> i like txt based
[08:47] <genii> beau_ Ubuntu server 6.06.1, minimal LAMP install
[08:47] <dwidmann> any linux distro will do for text only really
[08:47] <stdin> it's just ubuntu, without the gui
[08:47] <beau_> free bsd wont boot from the cd i made :(
[08:48] <stdin> then use GNU/Linux :p
[08:48] <Khybrid> gawd freebsd has a horrid installer
[08:48] <genii> Actually I *like* he fbsd installer
[08:49] <Khybrid> i didnt understand fdisk
[08:49] <Khybrid> and im rather good with parted
[08:49] <genii> Except diskslicesetc etc
[08:50] <genii> Khybrid: BSD has "slice" concept ... sort of virtual subpartitions. Disklabel  and so on
[08:50] <Khybrid> yeah i couldnt get past that
[08:51] <stdin> virtual subpartitions?? is that anything like LVM ?
[08:51] <genii> Khybrid: Basic routine: make a partition. Then create slices in the partition
[08:52] <genii> stdin Yes, very similar
[08:52] <stdin> ahh, that can be very useful
[08:52] <FisherP> is anyone here a Digikam expert?? I want to upgrade/install the new version 0.9 onto my dapper installation
[08:53] <genii> LVM in Debian is actually a borrowing from more unix type systems of this virtual slice idea
[08:55] <genii> FisherP: there is a specific channel... I believe   #digikam
[08:56] <stdin> he's already there
[08:56] <genii> I just poked my head in there to see if any activity but it looks dead, yeah
[08:57] <saree> jucato or genii have u used xgl or beryl or compiz before?
[08:57] <saree> or anybody else?
[08:57] <FisherP> genii yeah, i've joined there, they're not talkative atm
[08:58] <stdin> I uses AIGLX
[08:58] <saree> do u have the cube effect going?
[08:58] <kittyguy> Alot of channels are dead it seems
[08:58] <genii> saree: I've used xgl with ATI cards but not beryl or compiz that I know of.
[08:58] <FisherP> genii you have help me b4, can you help again... the sources.list line doesn't appear to work
[08:58] <kittyguy> atm
[08:59] <stdin> you would know if you used beryl :P
[08:59] <saree> genii so you have never used the desktop effects?
[08:59] <genii> stdin :) So I hear
[08:59] <zero-9376> anyone know a way to set a default view profile in konqueror for kubuntu dapper, ive tried everything i can find on the web
[08:59] <genii> saree: No, sorry :(
[09:00] <genii> FisherP: What error or symptom are you getting?
[09:00] <saree> ok i am trying to get help here coz the xgl folks werent saying anything
[09:00] <FisherP> I have added this line "deb http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/dapper ./" and getting "Failed to fetch http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/dapper/./Packages.gz  403 Forbidden"
[09:01] <genii> FisherP: OK, you have to add specific directories after the /dapper    part. You can use the other lines in there as an example.
[09:02] <stdin> genii: it is there it's the './' part
[09:02] <genii> eg: main universe multiverse
[09:03] <FisherP> genii hmmm all the packages are in  http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/dapper/ and there is no main universe or multiverse
[09:03] <genii> FisherP:  Line should be more proper like:  deb http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/dapper main niverse multiverse
[09:03] <karmikaze> !sun javacc
[09:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sun javacc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:04] <karmikaze> !javacc
[09:04] <ubotu> javacc: A parser generator for use with Java. In component main, is optional. Version 3.2+0-3ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 434 kB, installed size 1232 kB
[09:04] <stdin> genii: it's not a well formed repo, take a look http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/dapper/
[09:04] <genii> FisherP: If you are certian the line is correctly formed, ensure  that you are running the command to access the repository as root, by    sudo   for instance
[09:04] <FisherP> genii I tried the main.... and it didn't work :(
[09:04] <genii> 1 moment I will look as stdin suggests
[09:05] <FisherP> genii I pasted the link from the web site, checked it, and am running "sudo apt-get update"
[09:06] <saree> eep just tried to load beryl manager to get beryl working and no i cant see the bar that k menu is on and i cant see any frames around my windows
[09:06] <genii> Yes, it appears to be a matter that the file which needs accessing there Packages.gz   which has no Read attribute set
[09:06] <wilman> how to copy a text in a warning screen when you can't select
[09:06] <saree> i cant move windows either
[09:06] <stdin> saree: press alt-f2 and type in beryl-manager
[09:07] <stdin> saree: sometimes it won't load properly at first
[09:07] <FisherP> genii should I report that to the digikam ppl or wait till it is free?
[09:07] <saree> alt f2 aint doing anything
[09:08] <genii> FisherP: I suspect they are updating the repository. You ma want to wait 10 minutes and then try once more, or find an alternate repository
[09:08] <saree> stdin could loging out then back in help?
[09:08] <FisherP> genii thanks, I will wait, then if it repeats I might send off an email... Thanks Again!! :-)
[09:09] <stdin> saree: maybe, it's worth a try anyway
[09:11] <genii> FisherP: The original URL you had in sources.list should be proper as well. I would wait some time then execute   sudo apt-get update       to see if it is responding properly to get the package list etc
[09:11] <saree> stdin i have opened up beryl manager from k menu how can i get it working from there or is bereyl- manager the best way?\
[09:11] <genii> FisherP: You may want to remove the    ./    at the end of the line and try, but that should actually be correct
[09:12] <FisherP> genii yeah I tried that too... no go
[09:12] <stdin> saree: beryl-manager is the best way to start beryl
[09:12] <stdin> saree: you can run it from a konsole to see if you get any errors too
[09:12] <saree> !pastebin
[09:12] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:13] <karmikaze> hrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[09:13] <karmikaze> trying to install java 5 dev stuff
[09:13] <karmikaze> i see the license in adept but its stuck
[09:13] <karmikaze> can only see the top half of it
[09:13] <karmikaze> im guessing i should just kill this and do it with aptitude or something eh
[09:14] <stdin> karmikaze: yeah, or with apt-get
[09:14] <karmikaze> yep will do stdin :)
[09:14] <saree> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/321/  stdin this is what comes up in konsole
[09:15] <karmikaze> oops
[09:15] <saree> and the freeze up thing happened again
[09:15] <karmikaze> its locked
[09:15] <genii> FisherP: A possible alternative repository to try:  deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu dapper-commercial main restricted universe multiverse
[09:15] <stdin> saree: you don't have XGL installed
[09:16] <saree> i installed xgl server. how do i install it then?
[09:16] <saree> wait 1 min to tell me
[09:16] <karmikaze> what flushes this again:  E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[09:16] <karmikaze> apt-get -f?
[09:17] <saree> stdin so how do i install it then?
[09:18] <stdin> saree: if you installed xserver-xgl you probalby haven't set it up, there are instructions on setting it up here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/Xgl
[09:18] <FisherP> genii thanks again
[09:18] <saree> stdin no i havent set it up     oops
[09:18] <stdin> karmikaze: try sudo fuser -k /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[09:18] <genii> FisherP: Np :) Hope it all helps
[09:19] <stdin> karmikaze: then: sudo apt-get -f install
[09:19] <genii> sudo apt-get -f install
[09:19] <genii> Arg stdin LOL
[09:19] <stdin> hehe
[09:19] <karmikaze> cool
[09:19] <saree> stdin gksudo gedit /usr/bin/startxgl.sh is made for gnome what parts do i need to change so it can run in kde?
[09:20] <oem> how can run rpm file on kubuntu?
[09:20] <stdin> saree: kdesu kate /usr/bin/startxgl.sh
[09:20] <genii> !alien | oem
[09:20] <oem> how can run rpm file on kubuntu?
[09:20] <ubotu> oem: RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[09:21] <stdin> saree: this part is for kubuntu users: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/Xgl#head-11f417f3b6961f34f8e875eae29baa58da15d0a2
[09:21] <oem> what file can i run on ubuntu
[09:21] <stdin> follow that
[09:21] <genii> oem What are you trying to install?
[09:22] <oem> some programs but the extenion it rpm
[09:22] <stdin> oem: if you want to install a RPM, you have to convert it to a DEB file first, you do that with alien
[09:22] <genii> (there may already be an apt package for it and no need for some rpm file)
[09:23] <genii> 'some program" is vague... what is the application you ae trying to put on?
[09:23] <oem> this program not found in apt
[09:23] <stdin> still vague there
[09:24] <oem> how convert rpm to deb?
[09:24] <stdin> oem: you need to install alien
[09:24] <oem> where i can found it?
[09:24] <saree> stdin that part says its unstablecan i use method A instead?
[09:25] <genii> oem Before trying a rpm file, I would uncomment all repositoriesin /etc/apt/sources.list    and make sure that at the end of each line starting with "deb" there are the words universe multiverse. Then do   sudo apt-get update   then search again for whatever application   with sudo apt-cache search vaguenamehere
[09:25] <BlackPhoenixx> 1. sudo apt-get install alien
[09:25] <BlackPhoenixx> 2. sudo alien whatever.rpm
[09:25] <stdin> saree: it says if you find it's unstable, then use method A. try that one first tho
[09:26] <oem> wait i will try now thank you
[09:27] <saree> i am half way through method A. if i do the part where i edit the login part although its for gnome will it work for kde?
[09:28] <stdin> saree: follow the part that says "NVIDIA (using KDE)"
[09:29] <saree> stdin i am passed the coloured box and am up to the editing the logg in part
[09:30] <saree> i just thought i might have to do something different coz it says its changing the gnome logg in
[09:30] <stdin> saree: ahh, I see now, do what the page says, just change 'gksudo gedit' with  'kdesu kate'
[09:31] <saree> ok thx
[09:33] <genii> Anyone aware of some difference running make   from dash as opposed to bash?
[09:33] <stdin> should be no different
[09:34] <paolo> Hi. in wich dirs can I find the kernel source? thnks
[09:34] <ademan> how can i rip the audio from a video file?  (in this case avi if that matters) can mencode do it?
[09:34] <Crayola> is there a way to permenatey remove kde wallett ?
[09:34] <stdin> paolo: you need to install it first, then it will be in /usr/src
[09:34] <genii> I'm trying to compile some drivers that went fine on Dapper but Edgy/Feisty chokes horribly same Gcc etc which is weird
[09:34] <ademan> genii: what's the error?
[09:35] <genii> ademan Hangon I'll get it
[09:35] <ademan> probably best to use the paste site
[09:35] <ademan> knowing gcc errors :-)
[09:36] <paolo> stdin: thnks
[09:36] <stdin> np
[09:37] <saree> stdin woot woot beryl works now
[09:37] <stdin> :D
[09:37] <stdin> rotate that cube
[09:37] <saree> i only have 1 desktop how do i8 get my cub e?
[09:37] <genii> Like so    /home/userid/Desktop/conexant/modules/serial_hsf.c:183: error: struct tty_struct has no member named flip
[09:38] <genii> However this exact same file compiles on GCC3.4 dapper without problem
[09:38] <stdin> saree: ctrl-alt-left/right (or ctrl-alt-leftclick (and drag))
[09:40] <saree> stdin it aint working
[09:40] <stdin> saree: do you have the beryl icon in the system tray?
[09:40] <genii> Maybe it will just take some more experimenting ...bleh
[09:41] <saree> yes
[09:41] <saree> i only have the option of one desktop could that be the problem?
[09:41] <stdin> saree: and do you see new window decorations ?
[09:42] <ademan> genii: wow, sounds like the code has changed significantly
[09:42] <saree> yeah and my windows are wobbly
[09:42] <ademan> is this an upgrade or a fresh install?
[09:42] <genii> ademan For the whole saga on these drivers if yer interested: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=190728
[09:42] <genii> ademan Fresh Edgy
[09:42] <ccherrett> anyone know what the package name for memtest is?
[09:43] <ademan> hrm, that's interesting
[09:43] <genii> memtest86
[09:43] <stdin> saree: ahh, it may not be anabled by default (for some reason), go ahead and open Beryl Settings Manager (right click on the beryl icon)
[09:43] <ccherrett> thanks
[09:43] <stdin> s/anabled/enabled
[09:43] <genii> ccherrett: However memtest is likely installed by grub, try ESC at grub beginning to see if it is on the list
[09:43] <BlackPhoenixx> the easyest way to run a memtest is just to insert the CD from kubuntu / ubuntu and run het memtest from cd
[09:44] <ccherrett> genii: will do
[09:44] <ademan> genii: unfortunately i don't think i'll be able to help, clearly someone changed part of the struct tty_struct, and your driver code is still using tty_struct::flip  when it no longer exists
[09:44] <ademan> i think it actually might be a case where you need to change the source to the driver
[09:44] <saree> stdin the cube is ticked
[09:45] <ademan> saree:  be sure to enable "rotate cube" as well
[09:45] <ademan> :-)
[09:45] <saree> yep just did that thx
[09:45] <saree> u rock
[09:45] <stdin> saree:  working now?
[09:46] <zeek> whats the program where you can run another user desktop in a window?
[09:46] <genii> ademan Crap. This source is the last ever open-sourced "winmodem" Conexant drivers. Now Mark Boucher of linuxant.com is bandwidth-restricing o 14.4 free drivers and 56 speed drivers he wants $20 per license. I have 800 of these modems
[09:46] <stdin> zeek: xnest
[09:47] <zeek> thanx
[09:47] <saree> stdin yep
[09:47] <stdin> woot :D
[09:47] <ademan> genii: wow, are you part of a company or what?
[09:47] <saree> the ony problem is that it shows from the inside of the cube not the outside
[09:47] <stdin> saree: that's in the settings too
[09:47] <saree> stdin ^^
[09:48] <genii> ademan Yes, we have thousands of old city computers which we are installing Linux onwith cheapest modems we can get to use some Voip over pots
[09:48] <stdin> saree: in desktop cube, uncheck "insode cube" (at the top)
[09:48] <ademan> genii: hrm, alright well gimme a second, use the paste site, are those ALL of the errors?
[09:48] <saree> ok thx
[09:49] <stdin> *"inside cube"
[09:49] <genii> ademan On that thread you can see the entire output of the erros being generated
[09:49] <ademan> ok
[09:50] <ademan> can you link me to the exact source package you're compiling?  I'm rather confident i can rid you of those errors, a larger question is whether it will work again afterwards
[09:50] <genii> ademan Edgy specific stuff starts on page 3
[09:50] <stdin> saree: there are tons of settings in beryl, you can tweak until you're hearts content :)
[09:51] <ademan> genii: which one are you?
[09:51] <ademan> autocrosser?
[09:52] <saree> thx stdin yep tweaking thats why ppl use linux
[09:52] <saree> thats was my projsct for the holidays and now its done
[09:53] <stdin> it's fun to fold back a maximised window to peek behind it :p
[09:55] <helge> I get this message when running adept, reboot didnt help: http://picasaweb.google.com/svevendeord/EnMappeAlleKanSe/photo#5015724847193928626
[09:58] <stdin> helge: a reboot didn't help?
[10:01] <helge> reboot did not help.
[10:02] <MilhousePunkRock> hello hanseatix
[10:03] <stdin> helge: open konsole (Kmenu -> System Konsole) and type: sudo apt-get update
[10:03] <stdin> helge: and look for errors (you'll have to type in your password)
[10:04] <helge> I tried that earlier but this time I read what i said :-)
[10:04] <helge>  sudo dpkg --configure -a it tells me to do
[10:04] <helge> I think I am ok now
[10:04] <stdin> that should fix it then
[10:05] <helge> thx :-)
[10:05] <stdin> np :)
[10:13] <niko_> ohayo
[10:14] <james_> can anyone help me with my tv tuner?
[10:15] <lysergic> i've installed kdetv
[10:15] <lysergic> but it wont pick up any channels
[10:15] <lysergic> says the driver is loaded
[10:18] <lysergic> haha, and in the end i just had to adjust the airial
[10:19] <lysergic> how do i upgrade from drapper to edgy?
[10:20] <stdin> !upgrade | lysergic
[10:20] <ubotu> lysergic: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[10:20] <lysergic> cheers
[10:20] <stdin> genii: like on a beach? :p
[10:20] <ademan> no the kind that turn 800 modems into paperweights :-p
[10:21] <genii> stdin No as in like dash vs bash
[10:21] <lysergic> haha
[10:21] <stdin> dash = small, bash = full featured
[10:21] <stdin> that's about it
[10:22] <lysergic> ive always been a bash fan... but i must say i never really used dash
[10:22] <genii> stdin ademan Has me thinking now that it may be dash in Edgy causing it to fail during compile with otherwise exact same GCC and source code
[10:22] <genii> !dash | lysergic
[10:22] <ubotu> lysergic: /bin/sh links to the DASH shell in Ubuntu Edgy (6.10). Since DASH is not 100% compatible with the BASH shell, some scripts might break. You can make scripts execute using BASH by changing the first line of the script to "#!/bin/bash"
[10:23] <lysergic> oooh i see
[10:23] <stdin> genii: you can change /bin/sh to point to bash instead of dash
[10:24] <lysergic> so what's the advantages of edgy?
[10:24] <ademan> i don't see how a shell would cause a compilation error, i mean it shouldn't change the headers, unless during the build it asks the shell for a certain variable like $SHELL_HEADERS or something, which i doubt
[10:24] <genii> stdin As a test on a disposable box I did apt-get remove dash   and it installed bash as the default after as well
[10:24] <ademan> i got it for new Xorg and new upstream versions of other programs
[10:25] <lysergic> i see
[10:25] <lysergic> does it solve the x64 problem im having with wine?
[10:25] <lysergic> or is that wine itself :P
[10:26] <genii> lysergic From what I've been hearing around there is some issues with amd64 and wine
[10:26] <genii> Likely some leagcy 32bit code in wine or so
[10:26] <stdin> dose wine run on x64? or is that a chroot?
[10:26] <lysergic> it hasnt worked for me yet
[10:27] <ademan> poor you, wine keeps me sane :-)
[10:27] <ademan> or rather, allows me to play distracting video games
[10:27] <genii> heh
[10:27] <lysergic> i get some conflict with uhh... i cant remember the name of the package.. but it said there was a dependency issue and to check the version of the lib file, but it was the same version it requested
[10:28] <lysergic> im stuck with planet penguin atm for my kicks
[10:28] <stdin> I haven't uses wine in months, I don't even have it installed right now
[10:28] <lysergic> really sucks having a nice new video card and not being able to play games on it
[10:28] <genii> ademan  BTW if you ever need help with totally headless automated netbooting  lemme know, i became an expert in the last month ROFL
[10:28] <ademan> lysergic: i just got open arena, it's not bad
[10:28] <ademan> genii: haha, wonderful
[10:28] <kraut> moin
[10:28] <lysergic> open arena?
[10:29] <lysergic> is that a deathmatch style openGL game per chance?
[10:29] <stdin> if you really, really need windows for games, there is always vmware
[10:29] <ademan> lysergic: GPL quake 3 source + new GPL replacement models
[10:29] <lysergic> mmm, but vmware was never fast was it?
[10:29] <genii> Q3 is open-sourced?
[10:29] <ademan> admittedly the model quality is crap as of now, but hey, totally GPL q3 :-)
[10:29] <ademan> genii: yeah, has been for a while
[10:29] <lysergic> oh... can i get it through synaptic?
[10:29] <ademan> lysergic: no :-(
[10:29] <lysergic> damn
[10:29] <stdin> depends on your system lysergic
[10:29] <lysergic> umm
[10:30] <ademan> i was thinking of packaging it and cube and submitting it to REVU, but for now i'm feeling lazy
[10:30] <lysergic> x64, nvidia 7600gt
[10:30] <genii> I remember I gave up on Quake 2 sources because all the video drivers were nvidia and I had (still have) ATI centric boxes
[10:30] <stdin> ram is most important (along with cpu) for vmware
[10:30] <ademan> lysergic: it actually functions just fine if you just untar the tarball and run from there, you don't really need to install it
[10:31] <lysergic> oh... easy :)
[10:31] <ademan> you want a link?
[10:31] <lysergic> ive got 1gb dual channel
[10:31] <lysergic> ademan: yes please
[10:31] <ademan> http://files.moddb.com/5276/download-openarena-060-linux-release/     it's got binaries and source
[10:31] <ademan> unfortunately there's no source only release
[10:32] <ademan> but you know, take what you can get :-)
[10:32] <lysergic> cheers
[10:32] <lysergic> haha
[10:32] <lysergic> works with women :p
[10:32] <stdin> lysergic, win XP runs fine for me (1.8GHz 1.5GB RAM) and it ran ok kinda ok 515MB too
[10:32] <lysergic> stdin: through vmware you mean?
[10:32] <stdin> yeah
[10:32] <ademan> i remember XP was kind of crappy with 512mb ram NATIVE
[10:32] <stdin> not that I run it often
[10:32] <lysergic> yeah
[10:33] <stdin> ademan: win xp is crappy anyway :p
[10:33] <ademan> course that was doing heavy lifting, like 5 firefox windows, etc, and we all know how much firefox likes memory :-)
[10:33] <lysergic> i have it installed dual boot but 10 minutes after it boots it causes an unknown hard error BSOD and i chuckle and boot back into ubuntu
[10:33] <ademan> lysergic: hehe
[10:34] <lysergic> just gotta get my logitech G15 LCD screen working and my tv tuner working and ill be happy
[10:34] <genii> lysergic What is the issue with the screen?
[10:35] <lysergic> seems to be a problem with libdevusb
[10:35] <genii> What, is it touchscreen?
[10:35] <lysergic> i can install the daemon, but when i go to boot it it says there's a conflict
[10:35] <lysergic> its just a 300x130pixel LCD screen
[10:35] <lysergic> something around that resolution anyway
[10:36] <lysergic> its a little screen that sits on the keyboard
[10:37] <genii> Hmmm http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=267118&page=21
[10:37] <genii> Looks like something called g15tools
[10:38] <genii> ^ may be needed
[10:38] <lysergic> yep
[10:38] <lysergic> ive got g15tools sitting on my desktop
[10:38] <lysergic> i fully installed them according to one of those guides
[10:39] <lysergic> http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/G15Tools_support_for_the_Logitech_G15
[10:39] <lysergic> i think the problem was with libusb-dev
[10:40] <lysergic> the tutorial says "simply do a search for "lubusb-dev debian" and download/install..."
[10:40] <lysergic> but i cant find that package anywhere
[10:40] <genii> On the previous page of that thread I posted the guy has identical error. I wonder if further in there is a ix
[10:40] <genii> fix
[10:40] <genii> usb error
[10:41] <lysergic> would it be worth upgrading to edgy and trying again
[10:42] <lysergic> ?
[10:42] <genii> Does  mount -t usbfs none /proc/bus/usb  as was apparently the solution there work to activate your screen there?
[10:43] <lysergic> already mounted
[10:44] <genii> (I would suppose you need to run the 15daemon afterwards etc)
[10:44] <genii> Hmm
[10:44] <stdin> lysergic: you cant find libusb-dev?
[10:44] <lysergic> no i cant find libusb-dev debian
[10:44] <genii> Well, so far my only issues with Edgy has been related to these Conexant modems. Otherwise it worked beautifully with all hardware tested so far
[10:45] <stdin> 'libusb-dev' would be the package name, not 'libusb-dev debian'
[10:45] <lysergic> "libusb-dev is already the newest version"
[10:46] <lysergic> (*I had some kind of weird dependancy problem with xsane and ubuntu desktop with libusb-dev, simply do a search for "libusb-dev debian" and download/install, you'll know it works when it warns you about an older version in the repos)
[10:46] <genii> Edgy even recursively detected 3 upnp hubs I had cascaded together
[10:47] <lysergic> nice
[10:48] <stdin> maybe it means this package http://packages.debian.org/stable/libdevel/libusb-dev
[10:49] <lysergic> i thought it may have been libc60dev
[10:49] <lysergic> *libc6-dev
[10:50] <stdin> don't know, just guessing here
[10:50] <lysergic> "error, a later version is already installed"
[10:50] <genii> Thats why I'm so keen to get these modems working on it instead of Dapper, but as I near deadline for out-the-door boxen I am thinking I may have to do dapper then if some working edgy driver upgrade them all by sending out cdroms. (they are all on dialup so apt-get dist-upgrade could be problemmatic and time consuming)
[10:51] <stdin> that could be the error in the howto "when it warns you about an older version in the repos"
[10:51] <lysergic> yeah true
[10:51] <lysergic> but it'd be a newer version in the repos... wouldnt it?
[10:51] <lysergic> maybe it was just badly worded
[10:51] <stdin> maybe
[10:52] <stdin> bit that's the 1st thing i saw when i did a search in google for "libusb-dev debian"
[10:52] <lysergic> yeah
[10:53] <lysergic> im sure i tried that last night though...
[10:53] <lysergic> and it didnt seem to make a difference
[10:53] <stdin> ahh
[10:54] <lysergic> to install packages in console i type sudo dpkg "package name" yeah?
[10:54] <genii> If you have it d/l already yeah
[10:54] <genii> dpkg -i name.deb
[10:54] <stdin> sudo dpkg -i "package.deb"
[10:54] <lysergic> AHH -I
[10:55] <lysergic> cheers
[10:55] <lysergic> new i was missing a flag
[10:55] <stdin> damn, you beat me that time genii :p
[10:55] <genii> stdin I forgot the sudo tho LOL
[10:55] <stdin> we'll call that a draw then :D
[10:55] <lysergic> ahhh
[10:56] <lysergic>  libg15 depends on libc6 (>= 2.4-1); however:
[10:56] <lysergic>   Version of libc6 on system is 2.3.6-0ubuntu20.
[10:56] <lysergic>  libg15 depends on libusb-0.1-4 (>= 2:0.1.12); however:
[10:56] <lysergic>   Version of libusb-0.1-4 on system is 2:0.1.10a-22ubuntu1.
[10:56] <wilman> how to copy a text in a warning screen when you can't select it?
[10:56] <lysergic> move it to one side of the screen and type it out ;P
[10:56] <stdin> wilman: take a screenshot, or you'll just have to type it out
[10:56] <wilman> hmm
[10:56] <wilman> no other way?
[10:57] <lysergic> screenshot, print it out, get a logitech handscanner and text recognition software
[10:57] <stdin> nope, not unless you are a magician
[10:57] <genii> wilman If it was something run in a terminal/konsole   execute the same command and add >> errorlog.txt    then open up errlog.txt in some editor
[10:57] <lysergic> afk
[10:58] <genii> geez you know, I still have an ancient logitech hand scanner with a proprietary interface card ROFL
[10:58] <wilman> :P
[10:59] <wilman> i think it is a javascript in firefox
[11:00] <wilman> hmm i can look at the source
[11:00] <pawdro> hi, can i use kubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386 as a live cd? or do i have to download another cd ?
[11:01] <wilman> nop
[11:01] <stdin> kubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386 IS the live CD
[11:01] <genii> It is all now on one CD instead of before where there were separate Live and Install Cds
[11:02] <stdin> ahh, back in the good old days :p
[11:02] <genii> I thought at first a mistakewhen my CDs arrived since 5.10 etc all had 2 CD sets
[11:02] <genii> LOL
[11:03] <stdin> I actually have a 5.10 cd right by me
[11:03] <stdin> from shipit
[11:03] <genii> Me too, they are good for emergencies
[11:03] <genii> When you just need "rescue" with no frills etc
[11:04] <stdin> 5.10 was before you could get (from shipit) kubuntu disks I think
[11:05] <genii> I think so. The first distro I got sent to me was the last 4 distro. since then I order a selection of different platforms etc
[11:06] <genii> 6.06 was first shipit KDE I saw
[11:06] <JOSF> I want Konqueror to use inline view (kpart) for archives instead of starting Ark each time when I double click an archive. How can I do that ?
[11:06] <stdin> 1st one I got was 5.04, that was ubuntu, 6.06 is the only kubuntu one I have
[11:09] <genii> Well, 5AM here and getting blurry so time for nappies :) Gnite all
[11:09] <Linux_Galore> JOSF: just edit the file associations
[11:09] <Linux_Galore> JOSF: in konqueror
[11:09] <stdin> good night genii
[11:09] <JOSF> Wasn't there some path with some config files in it ? I just forgot it.
[11:10] <Linux_Galore> JOSF: no, konqueror will use a set app for an set file type, that can be edited within konquerors settins
[11:10] <JOSF> Linux_Galore: oki, thanks
[11:13] <Linux_Galore> JOSF: Open Konqueror, up the top Settings-> Configure Konqueror, look for the "File Associations" icon
[11:13] <Linux_Galore> on the right
[11:13] <Linux_Galore> sorry left
[11:14] <Linux_Galore> JOSF: look for the file class type in the Applications section and change it to what ever you want
[11:16] <Linux_Galore> JOSF: or if you lazy just type the file type in the search box at the top of that section
[11:17] <Linux_Galore> JOSF: type tar  for archives
[11:31] <lysergic> genii: i have the handscanner and card too
[11:31] <lysergic> but no isa slots :P
[11:32] <akrus> does someone know if Dance Dance Revolution or Pump It Up! dance pads are supported in Kubuntu?
[11:33] <lysergic> i highlt doubt it
[11:33] <Jucato> :O
[11:33] <lysergic> back in the days when men were real men and wrote their own device drivers
[11:33] <akrus> oh found
[11:33] <akrus> Pydance supports it
[11:33] <akrus> and StepMania
[11:33] <lysergic> are they supported>?
[11:33] <Skeez|Sleep> How would I go about changing the bootscreen?
[11:33] <akrus> gr8
[11:33] <akrus> :)
[11:33] <akrus> yep!
[11:33] <lysergic> awesome
[11:33] <akrus> yep
[11:33] <akrus> and freeware lol
[11:33] <akrus> Windows sucks :D
[11:33] <Skeez|Sleep> Not the login or the grub screen but the "kubuntu" boot
[11:33] <lysergic> hahah it sure does
[11:34] <SharkP> hi!
[11:34] <akrus> actually i switched to linux about a month ago
[11:34] <akrus> and did not even install windows
[11:34] <akrus> with nvidia card i do not miss anything
[11:34] <SharkP> akrus,could you help me?
[11:34] <akrus> wine works perfect for the apps I need
[11:34] <akrus> SharkP: in?
[11:34] <lysergic> howd u install wine?
[11:34] <akrus> apt-get install wine :)
[11:35] <SharkP> akrus:How shall I write a space between two words in the console?
[11:35] <akrus> e.g. file name.mp3?
[11:35] <lysergic> hmm need to update libc6 and libusb for wine too XD
[11:35] <akrus> file\ name.mp3
[11:35] <akrus> or "file name.mp3"
[11:35] <SharkP> ok,I try
[11:35] <akrus> lysergic: :)
[11:36] <Jucato> SharkP: or use Tab completion... type in a few letters of the file name, then press Tab
[11:36] <SharkP> thanx,it's so!:D
[11:36] <ebees> ebees
[11:36] <lysergic> akrus: ahh is it underscore...?
[11:36] <SharkP> Bye
[11:36] <lysergic> oh yeha ":" lol
[11:36] <lysergic> a new IRC era... i highly doubt that
[11:38] <ebees> Hi all. I have a friendo on the phone who  is using Kubuntu 6.10. She's lost her desktop (dunno how) and the repos keep timing out. I use 6.06. Is there presently a problem with the repos for edgy? (Where in Australia) Any help would be appreciated.
[11:43] <lysergic> ive just done apt-get -f install
[11:44] <lysergic> and it seems to be fixing the dependancy problems i was having with wine and g15daemon
[11:44] <lysergic> possibly a conflict with the amd64 architecture
[11:47] <JOSF_> What is group Staff (#50) for ?
[11:48] <perrin> hi,  just wondering if anyone can help me with some commands for linux?
[11:48] <hmsteiner> hi
[11:49] <hmsteiner> does anyone speek german?
[11:49] <JOSF_> hmsteiner: yes, I do
[11:49] <perrin> i need to install a usb audio device, and its detected in lsusb, but im not sure how to get it working
[11:49] <hmsteiner> hi hast du kurz zeit ich htte eine frage.
[11:50] <lysergic> perrin, have u tried the settings in the mixer?
[11:50] <lysergic> what's the soundcard youre using?
[11:51] <perrin> its a griffin imic
[11:51] <perrin> i think it will work if i restart then kubuntu will detect it,  but id like to know how to manually force it to work
[11:51] <ebees> Hi all. Sorry if this is a double post. I have a friend on the phone who is using Kubuntu 6.10. She's lost her desktop (dunno how) and the repos keep timing out. I use 6.06. Is there presently a problem with the repos for edgy? (We're in Australia) Any help would be appreciated.
[11:52] <hmsteiner> is it normal that i can not bring my WLAN card in promisc-mode?
[11:52] <lysergic> ok perrin i see what uve got
[11:52] <lysergic> double click on teh little speaker in the tray
[11:52] <lysergic> and click
[11:53] <lysergic> File > Change Device > ...
[11:53] <lysergic> and try the different drivers
[11:53] <lysergic> ALSA works fine for me
[11:54] <hmsteiner> is here anyone who can help me with my "network interface issues" =)?
[11:54] <perrin> nah its not that i cant select the device,  its that i want to know how make linux detect it and install it without having to restart
[11:55] <lysergic> ooh
[11:55] <lysergic> cant u just restart the x server
[11:55] <lysergic> that way u wont have ot restard
[11:55] <lysergic> Ctrl + Alt + Backspace
[11:55] <lysergic> ugh spulling...
[11:56] <lysergic> afk
[11:58] <JOSF> hmsteiner: Ich kann Dich nicht privmsg'en, schie los. (btw: mit WLAN kenne ich micht nicht aus).
[11:58] <JOSF> Sorry for German. Can't privmsg him.
[11:59] <Alter-Ego> i would like to open up a port on my installation so i can retrieve web mail.  how do i do this, is there a utility for doing so?
[11:59] <paulcarpenter> The Fiesty Fawn pages talk about when it is scheduled for but I can't find when that actually is.
[11:59] <JOSF> What uses group 'staff' (GID 50) ?
[12:00] <JOSF> And what is the difference between group 'adm' and 'admin' ?
[12:00] <JOSF> If you want to make a binary installation in /opt upgradable by some users, what group would you use (without creating an existing one ?)
[12:01] <perrin> Ctrl + Alt + Backspace  is just like restarting..  what was the point
[12:01] <Jucato> perrin: restarting X doesn't restart everything.
[12:02] <Jucato> it only restarts services and apps that are tied to X... specially useful if you have other process running in the command line in the background
[12:02] <perrin> yeah i realise that,  but what i want to be able to do is to plug in a usb device and configure is and get it running without having to restart, im sure this is possible?
[12:03] <Jucato> hm... you shouldn't have to restart at all... isn't it autodetected?
[12:03] <Alter-Ego> what is the ip address of the localhost ?
[12:03] <perrin> sorry,  i know the concepts of linux etc, i just dont know the commands or where stuff is stored like config files etc
[12:03] <Alter-Ego> <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[12:03] <Jucato> Alter-Ego: <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:03] <prixeh> hey
[12:04] <perrin> its detected,  but its an usb audio device, and it doesnt change to that device when its plugged in
[12:04] <Jucato> hm.. I think that has to be configured somewhere in System Settings.. I'm just not familiar with how...
[12:06] <enotee> what is the best program to download and sync video podcasts
[12:07] <JOSF> enotee: sync with what ?
[12:07] <enotee> my ipod
[12:08] <JOSF> ah,ok. Dunno.
[12:08] <JOSF> Had a look at kde-apps.org ?
[12:08] <enotee> no not yet
[12:08] <JOSF> then hush hush, go there and check it out. Maybe they have something ;-)
[12:09] <JOSF> sounds to me like they could have something as simple as a commander applet
[12:10] <enotee> k thanks
[12:10] <ebees> thanks all the same
[12:10] <ebees> bye
[12:32] <xenol> plz why does my kopete stop working if i click on my friend in my buddy list, every t ime i want to write sor message it stop working any ideas?
[12:35] <liam> i have a question
[12:36] <liam> im  cant play mp3's in amarok or kaffine
[12:36] <liam> can anyone help
[12:36] <xenol> u need libxine-extracodecs
[12:37] <liam> ok where do i get those from
[12:37] <xenol> !source-o-matic
[12:37] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[12:37] <liam> see it recognises that its an mp3 goes to play it then cancels
[12:37] <liam> thanks
[12:37] <xenol> from that web build ur own repo
[12:37] <xenol> and then edit ur sources.list
[12:37] <liam> ok thanks
[12:37] <xenol> need my help with that too?
[12:38] <liam> err might do lol
[12:38] <liam> im really new to linux#
[12:38] <xenol> k
[12:38] <xenol> well i am too
[12:38] <xenol> but know these stuff
[12:38] <liam> k
[12:38] <xenol> so which country u from? US?
[12:38] <xenol> i will build u new repos
[12:39] <xenol> need to go
[12:39] <xenol> sry
[12:39] <liam> ok
[12:40] <xenol> jsut select country, then in terminal write sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list and paste those repos there save it
[12:40] <xenol> in shhell type sudo apt-get update
[12:40] <xenol> and then go to this page
[12:40] <xenol> !restricted formats
[12:40] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:46] <liam> ok can anyone else help me
[12:50] <llrnr> liam: go to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats and see what you can get from there... it usually works for every media issue you have
[12:57] <liam> can anyone help me
[12:58] <Slike> i've got a little problem: the fonts of kicker + programs that start when logging in are way bigger than the font size when i'm just starting an application
[12:58] <paulcarpenter> crazy, any chance it's just thier individual settings?
[12:58] <paulcarpenter> ^ @ Slike
[12:59] <liam> i cant seem to open adept package manager
[12:59] <Slike> paulcarpenter: when eg amarok starts at login time fonts are quite huge, when it's not started at login time and i start it manually, it's normal/good
[12:59] <liam> it says there might be an atp  problem
[12:59] <paulcarpenter> liam what exactly does it say?
[01:00] <paulcarpenter> Slike, I have no idea.
[01:00] <liam> ill tell you 2 secs
[01:00] <mneisen> Hi, has somebody else problems with the new fglrx driver?
[01:02] <liam> Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[01:02] <paulcarpenter> have you done so?
[01:02] <liam> i dont know how to
[01:03] <llrnr> liam: for updating your sources.list file take a look here: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/sources
[01:03] <liam> ok this is how it happened i tried to update some sources so i could play mp3s
[01:04] <liam> when i pasted the repository into adept
[01:04] <llrnr> liam: you have to update your sources in order to enable certain packages you need to be properly "seen"
[01:04] <liam> the program shut down
[01:04] <llrnr> you did this in the "graphical" manner, from adept ?
[01:04] <liam> yes
[01:05] <liam> like GUI
[01:05] <llrnr> i'd go with manually editing the file you need... it's a lot more safer IMO than the GUI way :P
[01:05] <liam> im sorry guys but i have no clue im really new to linux
[01:05] <llrnr> take a look at the link above, it will tell you what to do and after you do that, take a look at the restricted formats page to enable amarok to play mp3s -- hey im new to linux too
[01:06] <liam> ok the psycho cats one right?
[01:06] <llrnr> yes, the one on psychocats
[01:06] <liam> k thx
[01:07] <llrnr> be sure to take the right piece of text.. for your edgy / dapper / breezy, ok ?
[01:07] <Jucato> liam: what seems to be the problem?
[01:08] <llrnr> Jucato: he's got problems with adept, sources.list... i'd go for the page on psychocats with choosing a right sources.list file, i always trust aysiu's advice :P
[01:08] <Jucato> aysiu's great!
[01:09] <llrnr> yeah ! :D
[01:09] <Jucato> but liam mentioned something about not being able to open Adept?
[01:10] <llrnr> i _think_ (i didn't see the whole discussion) he got this problem after trying to update the repostories from adept itself, trying to enable some repositories for being able to play mp3s in amarok
[01:10] <Jucato> ah
[01:11] <Jucato> hm.. would be great if he could comment on his problem :)
[01:11] <liam> sorry
[01:11] <Jucato> anyway I hope his silence means "yes it's working"
[01:11] <liam> i was away doing what the guys asked me to do
[01:11] <liam> im back now
[01:11] <Jucato> any luck?
[01:11] <liam> would you like me to explain again
[01:12] <liam> no i went to the link above and followed the instructions
[01:12] <llrnr> ok, did you follow the guidelines on psychocats and did you manage to update yor sources.list successfully ?
[01:12] <llrnr> ok
[01:12] <liam> i typed in "sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list_backup
[01:12] <Jucato> uhuh... that's good
[01:12] <llrnr> yes, this was for doing a backup of your file
[01:12] <liam> it asked me for a password which it accepted and then said
[01:13] <llrnr> "sudo" is for root privileges (you need this in order to handle that specific file), yes it needs your password too, and "cp" stands for copy
[01:13] <liam> missing destination ..... sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list_backup
[01:13] <liam> thankyou
[01:14] <llrnr> missing destination ? well... are you sure you spelt everything correctly ? if it doesn't work, try simply copying from the webpage (psychocats) and pasting in the terminal with the middle mouse button
[01:14] <liam> ok ill try that
[01:14] <llrnr> good luck :)
[01:14] <Jucato> there should also be a space  between /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list_backup
[01:15] <llrnr> yup
[01:15] <liam> ok it pasted it but then flashed up bad device?
[01:15] <Jucato> what did you paste?
[01:15] <Jucato> the baddevice error should only appear if you're trying to launch a GUI app from the command line
[01:16] <liam> sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list_backup
[01:16] <liam>  kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:16] <liam> maybe it was the kwrite?
[01:16] <Jucato> ah yeah, the kdesu kwrite part. don't worry, those baddevice errors are harmless (but annoying)
[01:16] <llrnr> oh... yes, it happens
[01:17] <jerp> when I 'empty trash' the icon doesn't change to show it is empty, isn't it suppose to show the white representative of paper, removed from the center of the icon?
[01:17] <liam> ok ive done it agian in a new shell it asked for a pass then has just gone back to normal
[01:17] <Jucato> liam: no. don't worry about it
[01:17] <liam> ok
[01:18] <liam> so what do i do now
[01:18] <llrnr> Jucato, i noticed all the GUI things i start from the konsole with kdesu give something like this... so i start them with alt+f2 (the run command) and it's all ok, i guess this is the way to do it, huh ?
[01:18] <Jucato> llrnr: yeah sort of :)
[01:18] <llrnr> liam: now you take (with copy/paste) the sources.list file from psychocats and paste it there.. after you delete everything in your current sources.list file (ie.replace what you already have with the proper entry from the psychocats page)
[01:19] <llrnr> liam: just be sure to pick your right version : edgy / dapper / breezy
[01:19] <liam> where will i find the right version i think its dapper
[01:20] <liam> 6.06
[01:20] <llrnr> well... if you're sure it's 6.06 then it's dapper :)
[01:20] <llrnr> if you already see a lot of "dapper" things there then it should be dapper
[01:21] <llrnr> if you want to be really sure then you could start another terminal (konsole) and type in "cat /etc/issue" - it will tell you the exact version you have
[01:21] <liam> ok i ran the command through alt d2
[01:21] <liam> f2
[01:21] <liam> nothins happened
[01:22] <llrnr> well, yes, you have to enter there "kdesu kate [or kwrite]  /etc/apt/sources.list"
[01:22] <llrnr> try       kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:22] <liam> ok
[01:22] <llrnr> it will ask you for yor password again
[01:23] <liam> im i typing this into a terminal or run command
[01:23] <llrnr> run command : alt+f2
[01:23] <Jucato> run command or konsole.. doesn't really  matter.  :)
[01:24] <liam> ok it done nothing in the run command #
[01:24] <liam> but in a konsole i now have kate up
[01:24] <llrnr> ok then
[01:24] <liam> with sources.list open
[01:24] <Jucato> the baddevice errors are caused by X trying to detect wacom stuff (for pointers.. forgot the name of the device)
[01:25] <vincent> is there any plugin that i can use to burn MP3CDs with K3B?
[01:25] <liam> im assuming i take out the line that i assume is c
[01:26] <liam> causing the promblem
[01:27] <llrnr> vincent: yes, look here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/MP3 you need libk3b2-mp3
[01:28] <liam> llrnr: what do i do now?
[01:28] <llrnr> ok so if you got kate open with sources.list, then do as in the psychocats guide: first delete everything you see there, and then paste in the entry for dapper (6.06) form the psychocats page
[01:29] <furryballs> konqueror won't display swf(flash) files. It tries to open them with totem.
[01:29] <liam> ok
[01:29] <vincent> llrnr: that will only convert mp3 to wav. then ill get audio cd's
[01:29] <vincent> i mean mp3 cd's
[01:30] <Jucato> vincent: you can just burn the mp3's on the CD as a Data CD
[01:30] <vincent> ah
[01:30] <vincent> ok
[01:30] <llrnr> vincent: ok... you mean you need to write a cd full of mp3s ? this is what i usually do with no problems at all - burn it as a data cd
[01:30] <Jucato> libk3b2-mp3 is only necessary for burning mp3's to Audio CD
[01:30] <llrnr> Jucato: :) yes this is what i understood, sorry
[01:31] <Jucato> :)
[01:31] <jerp> ok, I'll take the silence as "when someone empties their trash, the icon doesn't change to show it is empty,"  another foible maybe fixed in versions newer than Dapper.
[01:31] <vincent> ok
[01:31] <vincent> thnx dudes
[01:32] <Jucato> jerp: where is the icon? on the desktop or on the panel?
[01:32] <jerp> on the desktop
[01:32] <liam> ok thanks guys i think its working now
[01:32] <Jucato> jerp: try to edit the .desktop file for the Trash in Kate... I think that there should be 2 icons being used, one for normal, and one for trash can full... you can try doing a Google search..I'm not really familiar with it
[01:33] <llrnr> liam: great. after you save the file, be sure to run "sudo aptitude update" in the konsole
[01:33] <liam> now i just need to be able to update my repositories without this happening again lol
[01:33] <Jucato> !restricted
[01:33] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:33] <liam> yeah i done that and it looks like its updated
[01:34] <liam> adept now works again
[01:34] <llrnr> liam:whoa! now that's good. what's your next step? enabling mp3 playback in amarok? then look at the first link that ubotu gave above
[01:34] <liam> ok
[01:34] <jerp> jucato, ok, do you know where in what folder that desktop file resides?
[01:34] <ebees> Hi all. does anyone know if there is a problem with the Edgy repos? A friend is having time-out problems
[01:34] <liam> restricted formats
[01:34] <Jucato> in ~/Desktop :)
[01:35] <ebees> I'm on Dapper so can't help
[01:35] <llrnr> ebees: i had problems a few days ago with the repositories for beryl, but not with the normal edgy repos... :-S
[01:36] <Jucato> ebees: is he using the us.archive.ubuntu.com servers in his sources.list?
[01:36] <ebees> Tah llrnr. She lost her desktop and we've been trying to reinstall it.
[01:36] <ebees> Yes.
[01:36] <ebees> We're in AU though, and she's a slow typer :)
[01:36] <ebees> I might have to talk her through changing the repos to Australia
[01:36] <Jucato> ebees: change it to something else... there are problems with us.archive.ubuntu.com sometimes
[01:37] <llrnr> hm... yes that's right, i use local repos (ro.archive...) and it works
[01:37] <ebees> okay. Thanks for that. I'll have to get her to add au on the repo lists. Many thanks for that.
[01:37] <ebees> I'll go and speak to her now. Thanks. Nite :))
[01:40] <liam> thanks for your help guys seems i have lots of reading to do
[01:40] <liam> lol cya
[01:43] <olimpico> mouse pad, I have a problem with my mouse pad, how can I configure it better?
[01:45] <olimpico> In my laptop, there is a mousepad to move the mouse, I'm not sure if that's the correct name in English.
[01:45] <Lynoure> olimpico: touchpad?
[01:57] <jerp> wooohooo, I finally got the new w3m update.   (snarky sarcasm)
[01:57] <Jucato> lol
[01:57] <Jucato> also got the firefox update earlier
[01:58] <jerp> I'd consider using it if it would play flash for me, but it's text based
[01:58] <jerp> :)
[02:00] <Jucato> :P
[02:01] <jerp> I went back to the taskbar trashcan, it would be sweet if the panel app adder would let you make a drop on the desktop
[02:02] <Jucato> hm.. doesn't the desktop icon allow you to do that?
[02:03] <jerp> I couldn't find the entries for the desktop file
[02:03] <jerp> gtg
[02:06] <olimpico> Yes, please help me to configure my touchPad correctly!
[02:08] <Deadcake> olimpico, i never installed linux on a laptop
[02:08] <Deadcake> but make sure you laptop is available on the ubuntu hardware database
[02:09] <Deadcake> in the most cases touchpads are recognized by the OS as ps2 mouses
[02:11] <zzz833> anyone know where I can see my system specs in kubuntu?
[02:12] <Deadcake> i think
[02:12] <Deadcake> it's sysinfo: on konqueror
[02:12] <Deadcake> zzz833: : )
[02:12] <zzz833> thanks
[02:13] <Deadcake> mh no that's wrong
[02:13] <Jucato> sysinfo:/ doesn't exist outside SUSE
[02:13] <Jucato> zzz833: try K Menu -> System -> KInfoCenter
[02:14] <Deadcake> Jucato: yes that's true, sorry :(
[02:14] <Jucato> :)
[02:14] <zzz833> thanks
[02:14] <Jucato> it's a nice kioslave though...
[02:15] <apokryphos> not a full kioslave, just a web page
[02:15] <Jucato> just like apt:/ ?
[02:15] <apokryphos> joins docbook: in being another pseudo but useful kioslave :P
[02:15] <Jucato> still nice though :)
[02:15] <Jucato> ooh
[02:15] <Jucato> do we have that in Kubu?
[02:15] <zzz833> OpenGL doesn't work for some reason, but my graphics seem ok
[02:15] <apokryphos> we do, yeah
[02:16] <zzz833> if I install nvidia driver will I get open gl?
[02:16] <Jucato> :O
[02:16] <apokryphos> it just links to the respective entry on docbook.org
[02:16] <Jucato> aah... I thought it reads .docbook files...
[02:16] <apokryphos> oh, no
[02:16] <apokryphos> you need meinproc to generate those
[02:17] <Jucato> hehe figures....
[02:17] <olimpico> I already read in internet how to configure the Thouchpad, but tapping doesn't work, qsynaptics just doesn't make it work properly.
[02:17] <zzz833> It says "cannot initialize open gl", do I need to install nvidia drivers for it to work?
[02:17] <olimpico> Something must be wrong
[02:18] <apokryphos> what would it load though? .docbooks are only there to be converted to another format
[02:18] <apokryphos> not really like html or anything
[02:18] <Jucato> apokryphos: yeah... it's converted to HTML in khelpcenter at runtime afaik...
[02:18] <apokryphos> I'm pretty sure it isn't
[02:19] <Jucato> hm...
[02:19] <apokryphos> the only thing it does is to build an index
[02:19] <zzz833> Anyone know what that error message means? Do I need to install nvidia drivers?
[02:19] <apokryphos> all the KDE docs exist as HTML. i.e. do help:/konqueror in Konqueror
[02:19] <apokryphos> turns up straight away
[02:21] <apokryphos> they're stored in usr/share/doc/HTML to be exact
[02:23] <apokryphos> erm, actually, please completely ignore me 8)
[02:23] <Jucato> :)
[02:23] <Jucato> apokryphos: .docbooks are in there
[02:23] <apokryphos> I had a strange recollection of meinproc taking ages to actually convert to html
[02:23] <apokryphos> yes
[02:23] <Jucato> apparently it doesn't use meinproc
[02:23] <zzz833> anyone have an answer?
[02:23] <apokryphos> (which actually doesn't make sense if you think about it anyway, since it's not much work)
[02:24] <Jucato> yeah meinproc takes ages... wonder what khelpcenter uses...
[02:24] <apokryphos> true
[02:24] <apokryphos> I've only ever used meinproc, that's why I figured they must be stored as html
[02:25] <apokryphos> but that would take an awful lot more of space
[02:25] <apokryphos> still, kind of nice this way that they aren't (since it's still so freakin' fast)
[02:25] <Jucato> I only used meinproc once to convert the kword doc to html then to pdf...
[02:25] <apokryphos> in theory it wouldn't require *that* much work to make all the docs in KDE be PDFs
[02:26] <Jucato> won't require that much work for someone who knows how :P
[02:26] <apokryphos> I love the KDE PDFs; so shiny 8)
[02:26] <Deadcake> it is true that ati video cards higher from 8500 are native supported in kubuntu?
[02:26] <apokryphos> as in, for KDE to change from using html to PDF (of course this would be a bad idea, just a point on how flexible it really seems to be)
[02:36] <paolo> Hi. I don't hear audio from my sound card. strengely, it seems correctly installed. How should i proceed?
[02:39] <paolo1> hi. I can't hear audio from my sound card, but it appears installed. How should I proceed? thnks...
[02:42] <zzz5433> is there a way to check if I installed nvidia driver correctly?
[02:43] <zzz5433> with open gl enabled
[02:44] <yellowbee> www.myspace.com/doggerdan <---- New myspace XSS exploit PoC (proof of concept)
[02:45] <wedgeV> zzz5433: glxinfo |grep 'client glx vendor'
[02:45] <riccardo_> hi to everybody I've a problem
[02:45] <wedgeV> zzz5433: and maybe try glxgears
[02:46] <riccardo_> with kubuntu to go in internet i must always change in the file resolv.conf the default ip <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:46] <riccardo_> with the dns of my provider
[02:46] <riccardo_> but why I must always write it everytime?
[02:47] <wedgeV> riccardo_:  i probably gets overwritten
[02:47] <wedgeV> riccardo_: are you running networkmanager?
[02:47] <riccardo_> i edited the file resolv.conf as a root
[02:47] <riccardo_> I've a modem\router
[02:48] <wedgeV> riccardo_: well, i guess there is some daemon process overwritting /etc/resolv.conf
[02:48] <wedgeV> riccardo_: i dont know which one that would be on ubuntu
[02:49] <riccardo_> i'm using kubuntu
[02:49] <riccardo_> kde
[02:49] <riccardo_> and every time resolv.conf put the default router ip that's 192.1681.1
[02:50] <wedgeV> i understand your problem
[02:50] <Jucato> resolv.conf resets to the default from time to time, specially after a reboot
[02:51] <blar> could anyone lend me some assistance installing the latest JDK?  apt-cache search is only returning jdk-5
[02:51] <Jucato> that's the latest available in Ubuntu's repositories
[02:52] <blar> ah-ha
[02:52] <Jucato> if you want anything more recent than that, you'd have to install it yourself...
[02:53] <blar> i tried install the rpm for jdk-6 which i downloaded from sun, but when i ran ./jdk-blah, it told me "rpm not found"
[02:53] <frank__> hi all
[02:53] <blar> any ideas?
[02:53] <Jucato> well, you can't install rpm's on Deb-based systems directly
[02:53] <Jucato> !rpm
[02:53] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[02:53] <blar> ahhh
[02:54] <wedgeV> blar: there is a java package builder for debian
[02:54] <wedgeV> blar: i dont know if it works for version 6 though
[02:54] <wedgeV> blar: it needs the tar.gz file iirc
[02:54] <blar> ok, so i probably just have to stick with jdk-5 then
[02:54] <blar> thanks guys
[02:57] <riccardo_> kopete it's not working now with msn account isn't it?
[02:58] <Jucato> yes
[03:06] <riccardo_> how can I install resolv.conf?
[03:06] <riccardo_> i don't know what happens but there isn't in the folder /etc
[03:07] <Jucato> :O
[03:07] <riccardo_> :)
[03:07] <riccardo_> how can i do?
[03:07] <riccardo_> internet without resolv.conf is locked
[03:07] <Jucato> I think you can just make the file...
[03:07] <Jucato> all it contains are two lines with nameserver
[03:07] <riccardo_> i tried
[03:08] <Jucato> and?
[03:08] <riccardo_> but said that it's impossible to write in the etc folder
[03:08] <riccardo_> i tried to write in my desktop
[03:08] <riccardo_> and also cut and paste doesn't work
[03:08] <Jucato> oh you need to use sudo or kdesu to do that
[03:08] <Jucato> root privileges
[03:08] <riccardo_> yes
[03:09] <riccardo_> could you please send me the correct sintax to send the command?
[03:09] <riccardo_> to restore my resolv.conf
[03:09] <Jucato> in the command line, you can use nano: sudo nano /etc/resolv.conf
[03:09] <riccardo_> thanks ^^
[03:09] <Jucato> that will open the nano text editor. Ctrl+O to writeOut/save, Ctrl+X to exit
[03:14] <rich8495> When I try to turn off my pc in dapper 6.06 it won't turn off my computer
[03:14] <rich8495> I'm left with a black screen
[03:14] <rich8495> I just upgraded my video card drivers but I doubt its related
[03:15] <fiandre> I have this pci sound card: Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01). Unfortunately it's onboard on a very "windows friend" motherboard and therefore it doesn't work correctly.  So: do you know where I can find the drivers? thnks
[03:17] <blar> has anyone here worked with the google web toolkit?  i'm getting lots of exceptions when i try to compile the KitchenSink sample
[03:19] <ubuntu> ola
[03:20] <ubuntu> hi
[03:23] <wildchild> hello all
[03:23] <wildchild> I am having one giant problem
[03:23] <wildchild> I changed some settings for monitor in sytem settings monitor..
[03:23] <wildchild> and now kubuntu can't get into graphic mode
[03:24] <wildchild> and now I use xp :(
[03:25] <buz> !openoffice
[03:26] <ubotu> a free and open source office suite, including word processor, spreadsheet, presentation, vector drawing and database components.  To install: "sudo apt-get install openoffice.org". User help available in #users.openoffice.org
[03:26] <buz> are there any OOo 2.1 debs?
[03:28] <Raumkraut> wildchild: in /etc/X11, the xorg.conf file should've been backed up with previous settings. If you `cp xorg.conf.1 xorg.conf`, you should get back to the settings you had before the last change was made
[03:29] <wildchild> Raumkrauft: I didn't make copy :s
[03:29] <wildchild> couse I change this in system settings..
[03:29] <wildchild> I've just changed resolution or refreshing...
[03:29] <Raumkraut> if you used the GUI, it should've made a backup itself..?
[03:30] <wildchild> don't know..
[03:30] <ubuntu> can anybody tell me how to reinstall grub without a functional linux running?
[03:30] <wildchild> don't know what GUI means
[03:30] <Raumkraut> GUI = Graphical User Interface :)
[03:30] <wildchild> aha
[03:30] <wildchild> :>
[03:30] <wildchild> so I just, cp xorg.conf.1 xorg.conf
[03:31] <Raumkraut> actually, I didn't use the GUI, and it made a backup
[03:31] <wildchild> in /etc/X11
[03:31] <Raumkraut> assuming you haven't tried to make any changes since, yeah
[03:31] <ubuntu> can anybody tell me how to reinstall grub without a functional linux running?
[03:31] <Jucato> !grub
[03:31] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[03:32] <wildchild> Raumkraut: tnx, I'll give a try
[03:34] <ubuntu> @ubotu  Checking if "/grub/stage1" exists... no
[03:34] <zzz7433> sudo shutodown -h now doesnt work
[03:34] <zzz7433> I cna't turn off my computer without manually pressing the button    :(
[03:35] <Jucato> ubuntu: ubotu is a bot
[03:35] <ubuntu> @jucato and you are the bot who tells that? :-)
[03:35] <ubuntu> @jucato no sry, thanks
[03:35] <Jucato> no I'm not a bot
[03:37] <panse> can anyone help me? I try to get my wlan running, but if I want to install the driver, ndiswrapper says, that the driver is invalid :( I took the rt73.inf for my Sitecom WL113 usb...plz help :(
[03:38] <Daisuke_Ido> rt?  is that ralink?
[03:38] <Daisuke_Ido> (i ask because my ralink is rt2500)
[03:39] <panse> On the ndiswrapper wiki stodd, that Sitecom is running with the rt73..
[03:40] <panse> There also stood that I nee dthe rt73.inf and ~.sys ..but I didnt found the sys..I only took the inf-file, but ndisw. said that the driver is invaled
[03:41] <andrea_> hello
[03:42] <andrea_> i am freking out... :S
[03:42] <andrea_> i had to reinstall kubuntu on a secondary HD since my primary one started mulfunctioning
[03:42] <andrea_> i am reconfiguring my whole system.. however.. i don't understand fstab file..
[03:42] <andrea_> what are those new UUID=
[03:42] <andrea_> lines?
[03:42] <panse> my kubuntu is running well...except the wlan :(
[03:43] <andrea_> wlan works fine for me
[03:43] <BluesKaj> Howdy all ! :)
[03:44] <ubuntu_> grup installation
[03:44] <andrea_> so, somebody can tell me what are those attributes in the fstab?
[03:45] <panse> i have probs with the wlan driver
[03:46] <BluesKaj> anyone using devede27 ? I'm having audio probs with digital hash transfering into white noise during conversion from avi to mpeg .The video is fine.
[03:48] <wildchild> it's working :>
[03:48] <wildchild> I love linux...
[03:48] <Raumkraut> :D
[03:49] <wildchild> useful tip about xorg backup :)
[03:49] <wildchild> hm..
[03:49] <wildchild> I got another q
[03:49] <wildchild> connected with last one
[03:49] <wildchild> couse I have 2 monitors
[03:49] <ubuntu_> can anybody tell me how to install grub without a functional linux running
[03:49] <wildchild> one LCD and one SRT
[03:49] <Raumkraut> aye?
[03:49] <wildchild> and only LCD works
[03:49] <wildchild> I wanna extended version
[03:49] <wildchild> or option
[03:50] <minikoma> hello all
[03:50] <Raumkraut> do you have an nvidia gfx card?
[03:50] <wildchild> yes
[03:50] <Raumkraut> *phew*
[03:50] <wildchild> fx 5500
[03:50] <wildchild> (I don't have installed drivers.. I think..)
[03:51] <rich5344> man, my compute rwon't shut down, just goes black..
[03:51] <rich5344> I think it was an update from adept that did it but I can't remember which one
[03:51] <Raumkraut> do a search for "twinview ubuntu" on google, that should get you somewhere
[03:52] <Raumkraut> you'll need the nvidia drivers for that though
[03:53] <Raumkraut> or "xinerama ubuntu" if you can't/won't install the nvidia drivers
[03:53] <Raumkraut> though I've no experience with Xinerama
[03:54] <wildchild> k
[03:54] <wildchild> if something gety wrong U just cp xorg.1.conf xorg.conf in /etc/X11
[03:55] <tony_> hi guys.. kubuntu edgy 6.10 .. since i installed this OS , using any brwoser , my website brwosing is very slow .. I googled around
[03:55] <Raumkraut> personally I always make a manual backup of xorg.conf when I know it's in a working state. ;)
[03:55] <tony_> it seems to be ipv6.. with i have disabled that ..
[03:55] <tony_> but still slow
[03:56] <wildchild> Raumkraut: good idea :)
[03:56] <BluesKaj> tony , it's slower than windows, yes , but safer
[03:57] <tony_> anyidea why i been experiancing this ???? im on broadband
[03:57] <BluesKaj> so am I ..and it depends what you mean by slow ?
[03:57] <BluesKaj> \
[03:58] <tony_> well, clicking on a link from google to move to a site takes few seconds on linux , but window . is very fast ..
[03:58] <damaltor> hello
[03:58] <tony_> maybe 10 to 15 seconds before i go to the page. which is then is blank and i have to wait till whole thing load
[03:59] <damaltor> can anybody tell me if (k)ubunto 6.10 supports hfs+ file systems, used by apples ipod?
[03:59] <Lynoure> tony_: have you visited the page earlier with windows? It might have been in your cache or your ISPs proxy
[04:00] <damaltor> @tony_: try to use firefox instead of konqueror. helped for me
[04:00] <tony_> no .. i have tested that as well, cleaned catch and newest website .
[04:00] <tony_> im using firefox
[04:00] <damaltor> oh
[04:00] <damaltor> kk
[04:00] <BluesKaj> yeah  tony that's normal for linux , even on a fast pc and broadband connection ..lots of pages are written for IE which is less specific about it's HTML rules , hence it loads faster
[04:00] <tony_> ff on linux is slow but on window is blazing fast
[04:00] <damaltor> can anybody tell me if (k)ubuntu 6.10 supports hfs+ file systems, used by apples ipod?
[04:00] <damaltor> my firefox is even faster than the win one
[04:01] <tony_> i think browsers are not dependent to OS .. they have thier own engin ??
[04:01] <damaltor> i dunno
[04:01] <damaltor> =)
[04:01] <damaltor> but works
[04:01] <tony_> hummm :(
[04:02] <tony_> i used ff, konqueror, and opera.. they all the same .
[04:03] <tony_> it might be my DSL modem . maybe is not supporting something on linux.. ? :S
[04:04] <damaltor> i dont think so...
[04:04] <Lynoure> !ipv6
[04:04] <ubotu> To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[04:04] <damaltor> the dsl modem just transfers data
[04:04] <Lynoure> tony_: That could be relevant.
[04:04] <tony_> thaks , will check that one out now
[04:04] <BluesKaj> tony it's aresult of how the HTML code is written on pages IE is more forgiving of mistakes so it's faster ...FF is slow to load some sites because of that ...that's my understanding of it.
[04:05] <tony_> but why FF has no problme on window ??
[04:05] <tony_> i have no problme with FF On window
[04:05] <tony_> same version
[04:06] <Lynoure> tony_: It's not the same binary, not the same device drivers, not the same network stack. Many many things different.
[04:07] <tony_> Lynoure i see. thanks for this info
[04:08] <Lynoure> tony_: I have been assuming this happens with multiple sites, or perhaps all. Does it? (If not, it might also be that the site checks for Windows and muses over it a bit after not finding the client to be on Windows)
[04:09] <tony_> Lynoure it might be .., almost all sites that i visit using FF and linux is slow.. but same sites on window is fast.. .. so i only assume something wrong with my configuration
[04:10] <Lynoure> tony_: Try disabling the ipv6, it should not harm anything
[04:12] <tony_> Thanks. i just did that , i need to reboot the system as per ubuntu instruction .
[04:15] <tony_> if i stop and restart KDM from consol , has the same effect as rebooting the system ????
[04:17] <kubuntian> guys
[04:17] <kubuntian> how do i "automatically" refresh the kde menu?
[04:17] <kubuntian> i will explain..
[04:18] <kubuntian> i moved back to kde from xfce.. and i overwrited by mistake the kde menu,..
[04:18] <Jucato> run "kbuildsycoca" in Konsole?
[04:18] <kubuntian> where the kde menu file is located?
[04:18] <kubuntian> i need to delete it by hand and rebuild it right?
[04:19] <lost> mmmmmmmmmm
[04:19] <lost>
[04:19] <lost> mmmmmmmmmmm*
[04:19] <lost> lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
[04:19] <Jucato> lost please stop that
[04:19] <BluesKaj> thx Lynoure, that slow browsing site thing ... the instructions for mozilla work for FF ..much quicker now
[04:19] <tony_> YES.. it did
[04:19] <tony_> thanks
[04:20] <tony_> now FF is super fast :)
[04:20] <Jucato> kubuntian: not really sure, but there's a file in ~/.config/menus named something like applications.menu... if you rename/remove/move that (I suggest move...) it might reset your K Menu
[04:20] <BluesKaj> din't know that ipv6 was default ...it's still not used much
[04:21] <BluesKaj> on the net
[04:23] <denis> hallo
[04:24] <tony_> what is the file called bad_list ????
[04:24] <denis> I have a problem with easy ubuntu
[04:24] <denis> and my program DB
[04:24] <tony_> i used the trick to disable the IPV6  by entring a line to bad_list .. but that aint working .
[04:25] <tony_> it should be or created i guess in /etc/modprobe.d/
[04:26] <denis> hello?
[04:26] <denis> any help here?
[04:27] <BluesKaj> tony, you have to follow the instructions for the mozilla browser...scroll down and you'll find it
[04:27] <tony_> i did  and it did work
[04:27] <BluesKaj> FIrefox is classed as a Mozilla browser
[04:28] <tony_> but just if you use other browser . that wont be the case .
[04:28] <tony_> im just curiouse :)
[04:28] <tony_> i think i have to follow the dapper instruction . that brings up lots of stuff about aliases
[04:29] <BluesKaj> tony are you running edgy or dapper
[04:29] <BluesKaj> ?
[04:29] <BluesKaj> OK
[04:30] <tony_> im using edgy
[04:30] <reagleBRKLN> running kubuntu edgy: beagle/kerry weren't indexing MS Word files evidently, installed wv, but now what?
[04:30] <tony_> in instruction it asked about bad_list . thats not avalible in edgy . in dapper , it asked aliases which is avalible
[04:31] <fiandre> Hi.. i haven't resolved yet: my sound card is installed but it doesn't work well. It adds a whistle to the audio; it's "Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)" (got from lspci). this card is onboard on a very "windows friend" motherboard. any suggestion? thnks
[04:33] <denis> ok, my question: as I am a newbie I don*t have a clue of Linux but I have a problem with the package management and with easy ubuntu
[04:34] <denis> easy ubuntu doesn`t start after I entered my password
[04:36] <denis> bitte?
[04:36] <kraut> !xgl
[04:36] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[04:36] <sivaji_2009> what is the command to login in consol
[04:37] <Jucato> !easyubuntu
[04:37] <ubotu> easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ - For help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu
[04:37] <Jucato> sivaji_2009: what do you mean?
[04:37] <tony_> using consol to stop kdm has a same effect as if i turn off my computer and restart it ?????
[04:37] <Jucato> tony_: not really. it only stops X and everything connected to X
[04:37] <sivaji_2009> how to login when i start in consol
[04:38] <sivaji_2009> how to login when i start(boot) in consol
[04:38] <tony_> thanks. , so i guess i realy need to reboot
[04:38] <denis> anybody a clue of paket management?
[04:38] <Jucato> sivaji_2009: you will be presented with a login prompt, where you can type in your user name and password
[04:38] <Magus_Agnus> hi, i have a problem with adept manager, all the time i try to install a program it says there is a error while commiting changes... how can i fix it?
[04:39] <denis> hehe, I have almost the same problem
[04:39] <sivaji_2009> tell me what is the use of command "login"
[04:39] <Jucato> sivaji_2009: hm. basically, you can't type any command if you haven't logged in yet...
[04:40] <sivaji_2009> magus check repositaries
[04:40] <Jucato> man login: is used to establish a new session with the system. It is normally invoked automatically by responding to the login: prompt on the user's terminal. login may be special to the shell and may not be invoked as a sub-process. Typically, login is treated by the shell as exec login which causes the user to exit from the current shell. Attempting to execute login from any shell but the login shell will produce an error message.
[04:40] <Magus_Agnus> sivaji_2009: update the repositories?
[04:41] <sivaji_2009> make i clear i cant understand
[04:41] <denis> my repositories are fine
[04:41] <Magus_Agnus> mine too
[04:42] <sivaji_2009> sudo apt-get update
[04:42] <denis> adept saya my java packages are broken
[04:42] <denis> says
[04:42] <denis> and since then I can t get rid of them
[04:42] <sivaji_2009> request for reinstall or puring
[04:43] <Jucato> denis: try running this command in Konsole: "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[04:43] <denis> because sudo apt-get update sais that it cant lock the administration directory
[04:43] <denis> ok, I will try
[04:44] <denis> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[04:44] <Magus_Agnus> Jucato: i typed as u said and returned with error
[04:44] <denis> oh wrong window ;-)
[04:44] <Magus_Agnus> in some packages
[04:44] <sivaji_2009> what is the diff b/w  apt-get update and upgrade
[04:44] <Jucato> Magus_Agnus: hm... how about "sudo apt-get -f install" ?
[04:45] <denis> jucato: same answer as before
[04:45] <apokryphos> sivaji_2009: update refreshes your sources list, upgrade actually upgrades the packages you have.
[04:45] <denis> db-area blocked by another process
[04:45] <siteez> Hi
[04:45] <denis> hello
[04:45] <apokryphos> sivaji_2009: or, more correctly, update refreshes your sources from the sources.list
[04:46] <Magus_Agnus> Jucato: error in 2 packages compiz and compiz-plugins = returned with error (1)
[04:46] <Jucato> denis: how about "sudo apt-get -f install"?
[04:47] <tony_> well, good news,I can now brows with FF , opera pretty fast , after disabling IPV6 :)
[04:47] <denis> same answer: cant lock administration directory
[04:47] <Jucato> denis: is Adept still running?
[04:48] <Jucato> !adept crash fix | denis
[04:48] <ubotu> denis: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[04:48] <denis> no
[04:48] <Jucato> try running those commands
[04:48] <denis> ok
[04:49] <Magus_Agnus> Jucato: compiz-plugin is a bloken package, is there a way to remove it?
[04:49] <sivaji_2009>  actually how  virus works ?
[04:49] <denis> ah, it asks me to kill the process 5137
[04:49] <Jucato> denis: then kill it :)
[04:49] <denis> i guess YES?
[04:49] <denis> ok
[04:49] <sivaji_2009> sudo kill -9 5137
[04:49] <reagleBRKLN> running kubuntu edgy: beagle/kerry weren't indexing MS Word files evidently, installed wv, but now what?
[04:50] <Jucato> Magus_Agnus: try "sudo apt-get remove compiz-plugin"? not really sure..
[04:50] <denis> ah, its working
[04:50] <denis> ok, 3 errors
[04:51] <denis> one wonders me a bit because the program runed fine yesterday
[04:51] <denis> skype
[04:51] <denis>  msttcorefonts
[04:51] <denis>  flashplugin-nonfree
[04:51] <denis> all packages from easy ubuntu
[04:52] <denis> so I think I should trry to remve them
[04:52] <denis> by console or by easy ubunt?
[04:52] <Jucato> easyubuntu....
[04:52] <denis> u
[04:52] <Jucato> you could try asking in #easyubuntu...
[04:52] <denis> you dont like it?
[04:53] <Jucato> !easyubuntu
[04:53] <ubotu> easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ - For help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu
[04:53] <Jucato> I don't dislike it. I just don't use it... so I don't know how it works under the hood
[04:53] <denis> ubotu is a bot?
[04:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is a bot? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:53] <denis> ah ok
[04:53] <Jucato> yes
[04:53] <Jucato> it's a bot
[04:54] <denis> ah, I was wondering how fast he/ it is
[04:54] <linx-> to find out whether a wrong driver selection was causing graphical problems i changed the x.org driver from vesa to vga.. but now x.org won't run anymore.. how can i revert back to the vesa driver ?
[04:56] <denis> I think I will try it with easy ubuntu
[04:56] <Magus_Agnus> is there a way to rebuild the packages database?
[04:57] <Jucato> linx-: edit your xorg.conf to change the driver to "vesa" again? or run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[04:57] <linx-> i sort off guessed the first.. but forgot where xorg.conf is
[04:58] <denis> cant start easy ubuntu
[04:58] <Jucato>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:58] <denis> I will try it by console
[04:58] <linx-> thx Jucato
[04:59] <denis> J
[04:59] <denis> sorry
[05:00] <denis> back
[05:01] <denis> I tried it with sudo apt-get remove skype
[05:01] <denis> but: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[05:02] <denis> seems like skype depens on flash 9 and ms fonts...???
[05:02] <wildchild> k3b did not find a suitable writer you wull only be able to create an image! But I wanna make DVD data project
[05:02] <wildchild> will*
[05:02] <denis> skype doesnt need both of them as fare as I know
[05:02] <buz> skype deb is pretty much self contained
[05:03] <buz> might need qt, not sure about that
[05:05] <denis> I will ask in the easy ubuntu channel
[05:05] <denis> thanks
[05:07] <frojnd> so... how can I add device that k3b will be able to write..
[05:07] <frojnd> /dev/cdrom doesn't work if I add it
[05:08] <linx-> in console mode.. how do i start the xorg server when it has not been started at boot ?
[05:09] <adz21c> linx-: startx
[05:09] <linx-> thx adz21c
[05:09] <ForgeAus> I keep filling up hard drives! lol
[05:12] <kulbir> when i click on system services i get error msg.
[05:12] <kulbir> http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=error1ir1.png
[05:12] <kulbir> plz help
[05:13] <kulbir> any idea?
[05:19] <TheGateKeeper> frojnd: go into devices in your settings & try pressing refresh
[05:19] <EagleOne> Nice. A large community
[05:19] <frojnd> TheGateKeeper: u will LOL after this :
[05:19] <frojnd> my cdrom wasn't connected witd IDE cable LOL
[05:19] <frojnd> so that's why cd wasn't recognized..
[05:19] <frojnd> :P
[05:20] <frojnd> I am going to connect it now
[05:20] <TheGateKeeper> rofl
[05:26] <xenol> hey wat for is kpilot good?
[05:26] <buz> talks to a palm pilot
[05:27] <xenol> and is that? :)
[05:27] <xenol> wat is*
[05:28] <rizwaan>  error: linux/namespace.h: No such file or directory
[05:28] <rizwaan> feisty .. kernel 2.6.20
[05:28] <rysiek|pl> guys, asked that question on #ubuntu, but no response, maybe someone here will help:
[05:28] <rysiek|pl>  need some help with upstart - I am setting an encrypted partition, and upon being mounted it asks for a passphrase; now, seems like upstart feeds it some random stuff and the partition does not get mounted properly
[05:29] <rysiek|pl> seems like upstart simply makes it impossible for an init script to be interactive
[05:29] <trappist> init scripts shouldn't be interactive, generally
[05:30] <trappist> I guess this is the one time I can think of where maybe it should be
[05:30] <rizwaan> if you need to enter the password use "script < pass.txt" where pass.txt holds the password
[05:30] <trappist> rizwaan: that would pretty much defeat the purpose of an encrypted fs
[05:31] <rizwaan> yeah ;)
[05:31] <rysiek|pl> :)\
[05:33] <rysiek|pl> trappist: so, any ideas? I thought about making a script that runs the passphrase-asking command in a screen session, so that I can screen -r later and input it, but - heck! - I just can run the command manually later, so what's the point for screen
[05:33] <trappist> rysiek|pl: can you not just use fstab?
[05:34] <rysiek|pl> trappist: I'm not using fstab. *before* fstab can be used on that particular partition another command has to be run
[05:35] <rysiek|pl> trappist: so the problem really is how to run a command in upstart's init script so that it can ask for a passphrase - and get it.
[05:35] <trappist> rysiek|pl: maybe you could add your script to /etc/rc.local
[05:35] <rysiek|pl> trappist: eh... that would be great, but those script are also run by usptart, aren't they
[05:36] <trappist> rysiek|pl: yes, but indirectly, so it may work
[05:36] <rysiek|pl> trappist: ok, didn't know that. I'll give it a shot
[05:47] <ubuntu_> hey
[05:47] <xenol> plz why does every KDE based program from time to time stop working and ask me to terminate it? i have dapper and kde 3.5.5 updates
[05:47] <ubuntu_> can i play to battlefield if ihave linux ?
[05:48] <ubuntu_> or do anything what ican do to windows ?
[05:48] <Dr_willis> Cedega/wine  can let ya play it.
[05:48] <ubuntu_> where i can get messenger to linux ?
[05:48] <Dr_willis> 'anything' is rather broad.. :) SOME things can work with wine and/or cedega
[05:48] <Dr_willis> Theres dozens of IM clients out for linux. gaim is very popular, and theres others
[05:48] <ubuntu_> :D
[05:49] <rysiek|pl> Dr_willis: rather: some things WON'T work with wine/cedega :)
[05:49] <Dr_willis> ryanakca,  lately ive had things that used to work.. stop working. :(
[05:49] <Alter-Ego> i am having trouble with bluefish, i had problems with this once before and corrected it.  i believe bluefish is asking for a program that is not installed to save
[05:49] <ubuntu_> but can i use msn messenger and how ican change to quakenet server about irc ?
[05:49] <joni> does The Sims work with Cedega?
[05:49] <rysiek|pl> ubuntu_: and there are some games for linux too - UT2004, Q3Arena, Q4, ...
[05:49] <ForgeAus> does kubuntu work with XFS?
[05:50] <rysiek|pl> ubuntu_: GAIM has support for MSN AFAIK
[05:50] <rysiek|pl> ForgeAus: yes
[05:50] <rysiek|pl> ubuntu_: Kopete too
[05:50] <ForgeAus> so that guy on the other day thomas or whatever we could have suggested XFS instead of the RiserFS he was pushing for?
[05:51] <rysiek|pl> joni: why don't you try it? :) or google for it - besides, I am sure that on the official Cedega webpage there  is a list of apps working (www.transgaming.com)
[05:51] <rysiek|pl> ForgeAus: yep. Although ReiserFS4 would be better, AFAIK. it isn't stable yet, though
[05:52] <Ash-Fox> Is it just me who cannot resolve security.ubuntu.com ?
[05:52] <ubuntu_> jcan use messenger when ihave linux ?????
[05:52] <ForgeAus> um I think he was just on about standard reiser fs not the 4 one... but I could b wrong
[05:52] <rysiek|pl> trappist: it doesn't work. the script get's executed (date > /etc/some_file ;) ), but it doesn't  get a chance of receiving the passphrase
[05:52] <ForgeAus> how does xfs compare to ext3? zenwalk makes it sound godly!
[05:53] <HymnToLife> Ash-Fox, seems so
[05:53] <rysiek|pl> ubuntu_: yes. you can use other clients to connect to your MSN account
[05:53] <rysiek|pl> ForgeAus: wikipedia, I'd suggest
[05:53] <ForgeAus> hehe rysiek :) thanx...
[05:53] <rysiek|pl> Ash-Fox: lemme guess - you've got DHCP and security.ubuntu.com resolves to <IP_ADDRESS>?
[05:54] <Alter-Ego> what is esd ?
[05:54] <Ash-Fox> rysiek|pl, nope. I use static, and it doesn't resolve at all :)
[05:54] <Dr_willis> ubuntu_,  when you say 'messenger' you are refering to what exactly "microsoft msn messenger" ? i doubt if that will run with cedega or wine. Its  too locked into other parts of windows os.
[05:54] <rysiek|pl> ForgeAus: no prob, that was simply the best advice, really - there are soe great benchmarks on wikipedia
[05:55] <rysiek|pl> Ash-Fox: ah, well... thought you had the same problem I had yesterday ;)
[05:55] <rysiek|pl> Ash-Fox: lemme check
[05:55] <fdoving> Alter-Ego: enligtened sound daemon, the sound daemon used in gnome.
[05:55] <assipat> slt
[05:56] <rysiek|pl> Ash-Fox: works for me. if you need the IP: <IP_ADDRESS> (you can temporarily paste it into /etc/hosts if you need it bad right now)
[05:57] <kblack> Hello there
[05:57] <kblack> how are you my guys
[05:57] <kblack> ?
[05:57] <rysiek|pl> any new ideas with the upstart problem? I'm really stuck here :/
[05:59] <ForgeAus> um ex2ifs isn't going to read xfs tho is it?
[06:00] <fdoving> ForgeAus: no, it wont.
[06:00] <ForgeAus> hmm so I cant mount my zenwalk disk under XP in that case
[06:01] <ForgeAus> (seemed to work as ext3 and even seemed to work for reiserFS - havn't tried the 4 vers yet)
[06:02] <ForgeAus> hmmm zenwalk is slackware based :(
[06:04] <rysiek|pl> cu all, gtg
[06:04] <ForgeAus> is it just me or is slackware left a little behind compared to current redhat or ubuntu based distros?
[06:05] <HymnToLife> ForgeAus, define "behind"...
[06:05] <ForgeAus> or was that just the repostiory Wolvix was pointing me to?
[06:05] <ForgeAus> kubuntu seemed to have newer more updated software libraries...
[06:06] <HymnToLife> well, Slackware is a more "geeky" distro
[06:06] <HymnToLife> so most Slack users compile from source anyway
[06:06] <fdoving> ForgeAus: you can try this -> http://www.crossmeta.com/ for xfs support in windows. never tried it though.
[06:10] <ForgeAus> lol like Lunar? thats like menu-driven gentoo!
[06:11] <fiandre> i'm searching for a package such as hsfmodem_{version}_{arch}.deb ... which could be the repository? thnks
[06:15] <fdoving> fiandre: try searching http://packages.ubuntu.com
[06:16] <fiandre> fdoving: already done. no results