[06:09] <GNAM> @schedule ROME
[06:09] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 23 Oct 21:00: Accessibility Team | 25 Oct 22:00: Edubuntu | 07 Nov 21:00: Technical Board


[07:48] <RAOF> alan_g: Mir KMS tests fail on 18.04 because drmModeAddFB2 had changed its signature.
[07:48] <RAOF> (and others, but that's what's causing the initial crashes)
[07:49] <RAOF> Added const to the array parameters.
[07:49] <RAOF> In case Saviq asks 😀
[08:52] <Saviq> ohkay and why did bors merge it when I did bors r- ¿?
[09:05] <alan_g> I don't know. But then I'm new to bors.
[23:15] <Saviq> RAOF: if you're not thanksgiving, I'd give thanks for https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/48 ;)
[23:15] <RAOF> Just got the email notification :)
[23:15] <Saviq> RAOF: also, any idea why this got merged even after I "bors r-"'d it?
[23:16] <RAOF> No, I don't.
[23:16] <RAOF> I'll have a look.
[23:18] <Saviq> RAOF: UGH, seems I got tricked by git again, the rev-parse thing has the same problem of not looking at the remote, only at what's fetched
[23:18] <RAOF> Hah.
[23:19]  * Saviq feels we should use my dumbcounter until we can use `git describe` :P
[23:20] <RAOF> Will `git describe` have the same problem?
[23:21] <Saviq> I think it might if the closest tag is far enough in the history
[23:22]  * RAOF again curses git for not having a revno.
[23:22] <Saviq>  git describe --tags
[23:22] <Saviq> fatal: No names found, cannot describe anything.
[23:23] <Saviq>  git fetch --deepen 100
[23:23] <Saviq>  git describe --tags
[23:23] <Saviq> v0.27.0-641-g766a4f39d
[23:23] <Saviq> so one thing we could do here is `git fetch deepen 100` until we get a description out of `git describe`
[23:24] <RAOF> Or we could just fetch the whole history.
[23:25] <RAOF> It's not that big.
[23:27] <Saviq> 160MB
[23:28] <Saviq> .5s to fetch --depth=50 (what travis does) vs. 16s for a full clone
[23:28] <Saviq> I'd be happier to fetch back 100 at a time until we get `git describe` to work
[23:28] <Saviq> again, if git tags are what we want to use for this...
[23:32] <RAOF> Our test suite takes at least 600s. Is saving 16s for not doing a full clone worth it? :)
[23:34] <Saviq> RAOF: maybe, maybe not ;)
[23:34] <Saviq> ok for now I'll just go --unshallow
[23:35] <Saviq> so we can fix this
[23:35] <RAOF> Yeah.
[23:35] <RAOF> Launchpad doesn't (yet) allow us to webook successful PPA builds into a GitHub status, right?
[23:38] <Saviq> RAOF: it can do autopkgtests
[23:38] <Saviq> where from/how, I'm not sure
[23:39] <RAOF> Because that would be a good thing to gate bors on…
[23:39] <RAOF> It would avoid the Travis timeout.
[23:39] <Saviq> agreed
[23:40] <Saviq> depending on what the autopkgtests hook does (I can't see results on snapd's PRs any more)
[23:41] <Saviq> any case, we'd need to create ephemeral PPAs per PR for this to make sense (but yeah, we should!)
[23:41] <Saviq> ooh my first signed commit, /me likes the green :P
[23:42] <RAOF> Why would we need ephemeral PPAs?
[23:42] <RAOF> Oh, yeah.
[23:42] <RAOF> Never mind :)
[23:42] <Saviq> RAOF: yeah, that :)
[23:42] <Saviq> RAOF: ok, https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/48/ should be good for real this time
[23:44] <Saviq> oh and btw, we got the bot key in https://launchpad.net/~mir-team/+archive/ubuntu/dev/+packages
[23:45] <Saviq> so after that lands we'll have staging populated


[00:37] <jMCg> I don't get how installing wget doesn't pull it…
[02:07] <Osmodivs> Does anyone knows if this PPA is working? Err http://ppa.launchpad.net/cheleb/blender-svn/ubuntu/ precise/main blender amd64 2.63+svn48921-0~precise1
[02:08] <Osmodivs> Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/cheleb/blender-svn/ubuntu/pool/main/b/blender/blender_2.63+svn48921-0~precise1_amd64.deb  404  Not Found
[02:08] <wgrant> Osmodivs: Have you tried running apt-get update?
[02:09] <Osmodivs> yes
[02:09] <cody-somerville> Osmodivs, That PPA has been deleted.
[02:09] <Osmodivs> Why?
[02:09] <cody-somerville> I don't know. You'll have to ask the owner of the PPA.
[02:09] <Osmodivs> That was working perfectly well
[02:10] <wgrant> cody-somerville: I think it's been undeleted
[02:10] <wgrant> cody-somerville: Given it's still on disk
[02:10] <cody-somerville> wgrant, there are no files in it
[02:10] <wgrant> Ah, no
[02:10] <wgrant> It's properly deleted
[02:10] <wgrant> Just still on disk
[02:10] <wgrant> That's... odd
[02:10] <Osmodivs> Luxrender worked like a charm in thea lender PPA
[02:10] <Osmodivs> *blender
[02:10] <wgrant> Osmodivs: Right, but the owner has elected to delete it. You might want to contact them to ask why.
[02:11] <Osmodivs> Maybe I will
[02:11] <Osmodivs> Thank you all
[02:11] <cody-somerville> Osmodivs, You can create your own PPA and copy the packages into it I think
[02:11] <cody-somerville> Osmodivs, Can you access https://launchpad.net/~cheleb/+archive/blender-svn/+copy-packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=&field.series_filter= ?
[02:12] <wgrant> He shouldn't be able to
[02:12] <Osmodivs> cody-somerville:  Ah, nice idea. I'll check it out
[02:12] <wgrant> Only commercial admins can.
[02:12] <cody-somerville> Ah.
[02:13] <cody-somerville> Osmodivs, Yea, you'll probably need to contact the owner. They can 'undelete' it. They might do so if you ask nicely.
[02:13] <Osmodivs> cody-somerville:  Yeah, I will. I really need that PPA build
[02:14] <Osmodivs> That's the only one worked for me
[02:14] <Osmodivs> Not allowed here               Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page or     the information in this page is not shared with you.
[02:14] <Osmodivs> :)
[02:14] <Osmodivs> Ok, thx everybody.  I'll go now.
[02:14] <Osmodivs> g'night
[02:14] <wgrant> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/110125514/blender_2.63%2Bsvn48921-0%7Eprecise1_amd64.deb is the direct link to the latest successful amd64 build, FWIW
[02:14] <wgrant> You can grab that if you really want
[02:15] <Osmodivs> wawg: Saving


[02:16] <jsgotangco> @schedule manila
[02:16] <ubotu> Schedule for Asia/Manila: 17 Apr 23:00: Kernel Team | 18 Apr 04:00: Community Council | 18 Apr 20:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 23:00: Development Team | 25 Apr 04:00: Technical Board | 26 Apr 04:00: Edubuntu
[10:27] <mattva01> Excuse me, i have a question about getting a LoCo team approved
[10:31] <pochu> mattva01: #ubuntu-locoteams is your friend ;)
[10:32] <mattva01> oh im sorry
[10:32] <pochu> mattva01: np


[00:00] <popey> "Develop Android Apps, Deploy on Meego, Tizen, WebOS, Ubuntu and More"
[00:14] <AlanBell> somehow that doesn't look very appealing to me
[00:14] <AlanBell> a proprietary layer of stuff that mostly behaves like android probably
[00:17] <ali1234> github is down :C
[00:17] <ali1234> come on github, you can do it
[00:17] <AlanBell> but it has a nice error 500 page
[00:18] <AlanBell> right, I am off to bed, it has been a fascinating evening, in which I discovered I was slightly odder than I thought I was
[00:19] <popey> lol
[00:20] <Azelphur> derp, I left the door open on my bedroom
[00:20] <Azelphur> 37C in here (My rooms next to the bitcoin room)
[00:21] <hamitron> damn mna
[00:21] <hamitron> man
[00:21] <hamitron> hah
[00:21] <hamitron> 19 C in here
[00:21] <Azelphur> xD
[00:21] <hamitron> with my bitcoin rig
[00:21] <hamitron> ;/
[00:21] <hamitron> getting stuffy now
[00:23] <ali1234> 27 C with the window open
[00:24] <hamitron> you guys still got the heating on or something?
[00:26] <hamitron> I suppose your comp uses about the same power as 2 of mine Azelphur
[00:26] <hamitron> :)
[00:26] <Azelphur> hehe
[00:26] <hamitron> not including the 16 monitors
[00:26] <hamitron> ;/
[00:27] <hamitron> I am actually starting to get frustrated with a single 17" LCD screen
[00:27] <hamitron> 5:4 ratio is the only good thing about it
[00:32] <n1md4_> BigRedS: Are you about?
[00:44] <directhe`> yay, Double Fine Adventure will be getting a Linux port.
[00:52] <daftykins> :D
[00:53] <directhe`> i guess with $1.8m pledged so far, it'd be rude not to
[00:54] <directhe`> clearly the backing rate has slowed down a lot. i wonder if it'll hit $3m before funding ends
[00:55] <directhe`> "Pledge $15 or more
[00:55] <directhe`> 28829 Backers
[00:55] <directhe`> The finished game in all of its awesome glory DRM free on PC, Mac, and Linux, or via Steam for PC and Mac, exclusive access to the Beta on Steam, access to the video series, and access the private discussion community."
 But more your, uh, 'humour' :)
[09:37] <bigcalm> :P
[09:38] <DGJones> Grr, stupid router rebooting & giving out a new ip address to the server, can't connect to irssi
[09:39] <oimon> is archive.canonical.com incredibly slow for everyone? try to wget http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_<IP_ADDRESS>.orig.tar.gz
[09:41] <BigRedS> oimon: yeah, it's not moving for me
[09:41] <oimon> BigRedS: trying to do updates and it's killing me
[09:41] <oimon> spend 15 mins trying to download it
[09:54] <AlanBell> I am spending the day making an application I wrote some years ago worse
[09:55] <BigRedS> I love it when I get to do that
[09:56] <AlanBell> had a meeting yesterday when they listed all the stuff that they wanted to rip out
[09:56] <BigRedS> Oh, normally mine is very hurried feature-creep
[09:57] <AlanBell> and the percentage scale that they want to re-map so that it goes up to 125% because the numbers they were getting didn't look high enough
[09:57] <AlanBell> I feel like dilbert
[09:58] <BigRedS> haha!
[09:58] <czajkowski> AlanBell: fun days!
[09:58] <andyloughran> heya
[09:59] <andyloughran> howdy
[10:00] <andyloughran> the connection here is terrible... spitfire internets
[10:01] <andyloughran> anyone got any recommendations for wireless internet (microwave/radio) in Fitzrovia?
[10:02] <funkyHat> DGJones: server without a static addess? :(
[10:02] <DGJones> funkyHat, Yeah, something I need to get sorted
[10:03] <czajkowski> went to go use skype
[10:03] <czajkowski> and it was uninstalled
[10:03] <czajkowski> hate when that happens
[10:04] <bigcalm> Skype is packaged for 12.04 now then?
[10:04] <czajkowski> well it was there yesterday till my macgic upgrade which cuased some disaperances
[10:06] <bigcalm> :(
[10:06] <DGJones> funkyHat, It runs a desktop because it sometimes gets used for a quick bit of web browsing & that won't set a fixed ip for some reason, I may change it & put a server install on with no gui, that'll be easier
[10:06] <funkyHat> DGJones: or see if your router allows you to define permanent leases?
[10:07] <DGJones> funkyHat, Never been able to get that to work
[10:07] <popey> you can do it in network manager
[10:07] <popey> or edit /etc/network/interfaces
[10:13] <andyloughran> czajkowski: where you working at these days?
[10:13] <popey> \o/
[10:13] <czajkowski> andyloughran: Canonical :)
[10:14] <andyloughran> :D
[10:14] <andyloughran> and how's the lovely Wolverhampton treating you?
[10:14] <czajkowski> yeah not bad
[10:14] <czajkowski> if I could understand the accents would be great :)
[10:16]  * bigcalm chuckles
[10:16] <bigcalm> Your tweet this morning made me smile
[10:18] <andyloughran> I could do a decent attempt at translating
[10:18] <andyloughran> oright duk, ows yam doin
[10:18] <andyloughran> that means, hello dear, how are you?
[10:27] <DJones> \o/ Sorted, was nothing to do with my server, *%$^*(()& dyndns dropping the forwarding
[10:28] <DJones> popey: Who did you switch to when dyndns did that to you?
[10:28] <popey> mooo.com
[10:28]  * czajkowski hugs popey
[10:28] <popey> hmm?
[10:28] <popey> (that was an answer for DJones btw)
[10:28] <DJones> I guessed :)
[10:29]  * Myrtti has found Settlers Online. Doom impending. Productivity plummeting to even lower
[10:29] <AlanBell> how are the wolves people getting on with the czajkowski accent?
[10:29] <czajkowski> AlanBell: not bad, ordered my food last night and went to sleep
[10:29] <czajkowski> and got to and from places without getting too lost
[10:34] <AlanBell> perhaps they have been preparing for your arrival with this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc0u7peZbIk
[10:34] <AlanBell> we should do one of those for stuff Ubuntu people say
[10:35] <czajkowski> spring cleaning lp Q&A
[10:35] <czajkowski> found another one for Ubuntu and not LP if folks want to help https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/187785
[10:37] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:37]  * bigcalm steams up his glasses with a pot noodle
[10:37] <bigcalm> Mmmmm
[10:38] <bigcalm> Hi brobostigon
[10:38] <czajkowski> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/187778
[10:38] <brobostigon> hi bigcalm
[10:38]  * bigcalm glares at his windows server
[10:38] <bigcalm> It's been 'applying updates' to office for some time now
[10:38] <bigcalm> Silly thing
[10:39] <brobostigon> running office on a server, why ?
[10:39] <popey> archive.canonical.com is having an issue bigcalm
[10:39] <bigcalm> popey: ms office
[10:39] <popey> oh ☺
[10:39] <bigcalm> I doubt that the two are linked ;)
[10:39] <popey> hah
[10:40] <bigcalm> It's feature freeze today, yes?
[10:40] <christel> i dunno, i could see how it was having issues if you went and installed office on it
[10:40] <popey> czajkowski: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/187785 google for the laptop model, well known problem
[10:40] <popey> i linked that question to a bug report
[10:41] <czajkowski> popey: cheers
[10:41]  * czajkowski tickles christel hows you darling
[10:41] <christel> not too bad!
[10:41] <bigcalm> How's the table?
[10:42] <christel> i LOVE the table :D
[10:42] <bigcalm> :D
[10:42] <ikonia> the table loves you
[10:45] <bigcalm> I think it's a bit of a wooden relationship
[10:46] <christel> i don't think i've ever spent as much time stroking hard wood as i have since it arrived
[10:46] <christel> :)
[10:46] <ikonia> bravo
[10:46] <bigcalm> Oh my
[10:48] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:49] <davmor2> morning all
[10:49] <davmor2> morning bigcalm
[10:50] <davmor2> mrevell, czajkowski: I should be on for tonight and coming to the hotel for a bit tomorrow fingers crossed got the bulk of the release done
[10:51] <bigcalm> davmor2: case the joint for pens you can half-inch
[10:52] <davmor2> bigcalm: it might be worth thinking about for a co-working space if we can get the price right
[10:53] <bigcalm> davmor2: that's what I was thinking. Price is everything though
[10:53] <bigcalm> It'll be coming out of my own pocket, not work's
[10:53] <davmor2> czajkowski: you heading back to the hotel once you have knocked off tonight, if so I can probably give you a lift back
[10:54] <czajkowski> cool thanks
[10:57] <christel> bigcalm: are you buying a table?
[10:58] <bigcalm> christel: no, we already have one
[10:58] <christel> aw what are you buying
 bigcalm: it might be worth thinking about for a co-working space if we can get the price right
[10:58] <czajkowski> bigcalm: davmor2 this place is very nice
[10:58] <czajkowski> and not cold
[10:59] <christel> ooh the place
[10:59] <christel> i see
[10:59] <bigcalm> I am always trying to buy my soul back off of the devil
[10:59] <bigcalm> czajkowski: not cold is a goooooood thing
[10:59] <bigcalm> Though I think mrevell complained the most :P
[11:03] <oimon> can anyone help with unity? a showstopper is the buttons appearing in top left hand corner when windows are maximised. can i move them to the application instead? (i have already moved global menu to the application, but can't move the buttons)
[11:03] <AlanBell> you are not supposed to want to do that oimon
[11:04] <bigcalm> Haha
[11:04] <AlanBell> anyhow, that isn't a terrible place for them, at least they do follow the applications when not maximised
[11:04] <oimon> my buttons are on the right, so it's kind of essential
[11:04] <bigcalm> Stop doing what you want with your OS OS
[11:04] <oimon> if i can't do it, it's a deal breaker :(
[11:05] <AlanBell> welcome to the phrase "broken by design"
[11:05] <oimon> there must be an ugly fudge around it ?
[11:06] <AlanBell> although in this specific instance I don't quite see the problem
[11:06] <AlanBell> you want them shifted right 48px so they line up with the application rather than the launcher?
[11:06] <oimon> AlanBell: i want them shifted onto the app window . my buttons are on the right
[11:06] <oimon> so it's about a 1900 pixel shift
[11:07] <AlanBell> oh, buttons on the right, I see
[11:07] <AlanBell> you are not supposed to want to do that oimon
[11:07] <davmor2> bigcalm: well Matt is smaller so maybe he gets colder quicker :)
[11:07]  * bigcalm rolls his eyes
[11:07] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:08] <oimon> but there must be a hack or app to uninstall that would fix it?
[11:08] <oimon> maybe gord knows
[11:08] <gord> wut
[11:09] <gord> no way that i know of
[11:09]  * oimon cries
[11:09] <AlanBell> oimon: I think it is a "patches welcome" thing
[11:09] <AlanBell> which does actually mean that a patch would be welcome
[11:09] <oimon> my current workaround is 10.04
[11:10] <AlanBell> but I doubt anyone tasked with working on unity would do that patch because it isn't on john lea's magic design sheets
[11:12] <AlanBell> anyone seen onboard today?
[11:17] <mrevell> bigcalm, davmor2: I grew up in the north east. I can handle cold when doing north eastern things: going to night clubs in a t-shirt in December, drinking broon ale in a t-shirt in December, and other activities in a t-shirt in December. Sitting at a laptop, though, in a cold room doesn't work for me.
[11:19] <AlanBell> oimon: https://lists.launchpad.net/unity-design/msg07858.html not specifically about button positions, but an interesting read
[11:20] <gordonjcp> mrevell: that's because you're less physically active sitting at a laptop, and therefore not burning off energy which keeps you warm
[11:20]  * bigcalm hugs mrevell
[11:20] <oimon> AlanBell: thanks, i'll read it. this guy wants the same thing http://askubuntu.com/questions/94105/can-i-remove-the-buttons-min-max-close-from-the-unity-panel-and-put-them-bac
[11:20] <AlanBell> sit at a laptop drinking broon ale
[11:20] <gordonjcp> mrevell: if you were sitting at a laptop in a cold room drinking newkie broon and dancing it would be a different story
[11:21] <mrevell> heh
[11:23]  * gordonjcp is currently sitting in a fairly cold loading bay, taking a break from working in a ridiculously overheated workshop
[11:24] <gordonjcp> I'm also calibrating stuff that's going to live in an unheated high site so there's no point checking it at 25C when it's going to be sitting at 5C most of the time
[11:26] <bigcalm> Another web dev company has the same phone number as us except for the last digit. This is confusing for people who dial the wrong number
[11:26] <bigcalm> I wonder if we've lost any business to the other company
[11:30] <gordonjcp> bigcalm: heh
[11:30] <gordonjcp> bigcalm: my sister used to have a telephone number one digit different from a local cinema
[11:30] <gordonjcp> quite often getting folk phoning up, "Oh hi, what have you got on tonight?"
[11:30] <bigcalm> Cute
[11:31] <gordonjcp> "Well my brother's just come round so we're going off to the pub for a couple of pints, then we're going to get a curry, then head home and watch the West Wing and play on the playstation.  How about you?"
[11:53] <andyloughran> I'm loving 'management'
[12:06] <bigcalm> Is that where everybody else works so you don't have to?
[12:12] <daubers> bigcalm: thats "deligation"
[12:15] <gord> i see managers as the people who sit in meetings so i can actually get some coding done
[12:15] <popey> \o/
[12:16]  * popey chuckles at "deal breaker" and "showstopper"
[12:17] <daubers> gord: That's what I see as my job these days :(
[12:17] <BigRedS> ls
[12:18] <bigcalm> Permission Denied
[12:18] <popey> .
[12:18] <popey> ..
[12:18] <BigRedS> sudo ls
[12:18] <popey> goat_porn
[12:18] <daubers> blackmail_footage
[12:19] <bigcalm> My goodness I'm tired
[12:20] <bigcalm> mrevell: davmor2: czajkowski: is tonight a bring your own booze place and does anybody intend to have a drink anyway?
[12:20] <davmor2> bigcalm: I don't know and don't drink so I won't
[12:21] <czajkowski> bigcalm: no idea
[12:22] <bigcalm> czajkowski: would you like some cider?
[12:22] <bigcalm> I'm about to go to Waitrose for a birthday card
[12:23] <popey> get him with his expensive taste in birthday cards
[12:23] <davmor2> bigcalm: look on the website to see if they are licensed
[12:23] <czajkowski> bigcalm: I'm prolly ok tb
[12:23] <czajkowski> *tbh
[12:23] <bigcalm> czajkowski: fair do
[12:24] <bigcalm> davmor2: looking at it now
[12:24] <bigcalm> popey: local town has a Waitrose and a Co-op... Not a lot of choice there
[12:24] <popey> co-op ftw
[12:24] <popey> you in wolves?
[12:25] <bigcalm> They are licenced
[12:25] <davmor2> popey: no he is out in the sticks of telford but not too far away
[12:25] <bigcalm> popey: I'm near Newport, Shropshire
[12:26] <bigcalm> From their wine list: Dom Perignon Brut, 1998
[12:26] <bigcalm>
[12:26] <bigcalm>
[12:26] <bigcalm>
[12:26] <bigcalm>             Bottle £139.95
[12:26] <bigcalm> Oops
[12:28] <davmor2> bigcalm: at that price you'll be ordering a couple of bottles then right?
[12:28] <bigcalm> At least!
[12:28]  * bigcalm waddles off for lunch
[13:09] <diplo> Any of you guys use Nagios ?
[13:09] <BigRedS> yeah
[13:09] <diplo> use check_by_ssh at all ?
[13:10] <BigRedS> not knowingly, does that ssh in and ask questions?
[13:10] <diplo> ssh in and run commands
[13:10] <diplo> so check_by_ssh -H IP -p port -C uptime
[13:10] <BigRedS> ah yeah, no
[13:10] <BigRedS> we use mon for that sort of thing
[13:10] <diplo>  12:43:07 up 91 days,  5:14,  2 users,  load average: 1.44, 1.13, 1.04
[13:10] <diplo> Works from my home box
[13:11] <diplo> Remote command execution failed: reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for 78-33-75-73.static.enta.net failed - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN ATTEMPT!
[13:11] <diplo> From my work box
[13:11] <diplo> :(
[13:11] <BigRedS> where are you going to?
[13:11] <diplo> Running same v of check_by_ssh
[13:11] <diplo> A customer site running centos
[13:11] <BigRedS> that looks like you're behund nat and trying to ssh to what is your public, natted, ip address
[13:11] <diplo> So i think it's  a ssh related config issue on my work box
[13:11] <BigRedS> I think you can turn that off in ssh
[13:12] <diplo> yeah, been trying stuff and failing
[13:12] <diplo> :(
[13:12] <diplo> Hopeing someone else has seen it and goes 'Oh yeah' :)
[13:12] <BigRedS> I presume you can't just ssh in either?
[13:13] <diplo> I can just ssh
[13:13] <diplo> Still get that alert up though
[13:13] <diplo> So key pairs set up
[13:13] <diplo> I'm thinking it's the warning that's causing me the issues
[13:13] <diplo> ( I hope it is )
[13:13] <BigRedS> hm, odd. Ah, so when you ssh you still get the warning
[13:13] <BigRedS> yeah, that would because it'd break key auth
[13:14] <daubers> AlanBell: I found out an accessibility thing I didn't know about the other day
[13:14] <daubers> didn't realise some people reverse the mouse buttons for RSI reasons
[13:15] <diplo> daubers, we had to do that for left handers as well
[13:15] <diplo> Was a horrible work around in terminal services :)
[13:15] <daubers> I knew about left handers, just didn't realise there was other reasons for it :)
[13:18] <diplo> lol fixed it BigRedS
[13:19] <diplo> -q = Quiet, suppresses errors :(
[13:19] <diplo> Why didn't i try that an hour ago!
[13:19] <AlanBell> daubers: you can use a mouse without clicking at all
[13:19] <BigRedS> diplo: aha!
[13:20] <daubers> AlanBell: By shouting at it?
[13:23]  * daubers has images of an office full of people shouting "MIDDLE CLICK" "SCROLL" "LEFT CLICK"
[13:26] <popey> "Computer!"
[13:26] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5e1vfaST2I
[13:26] <popey> bah, german
[13:27] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hShY6xZWVGE&feature=related
[13:30] <daubers> \o/ Scotty
[13:33] <AlanBell> daubers: dwell click
[13:34] <AlanBell> onboard kind of includes it, might do a screencast of the new onboard at some point soon
[13:35] <daubers> \o/
[13:41] <AlanBell> onboard in the host lets me type  into a virtualbox guest which is nice
[15:13] <dogmatic69> how can i delete files in a dir with thousands of files? rm ./* says list to long
[15:14] <popey> delete the directory instead?
[15:14] <dogmatic69> ah, obviously
[15:14] <diplo> Or a perl script
[15:15] <diplo> I had to do that for a CCTV server which had thousands of images a day
[15:15] <diplo> rm/ls etc couldn't handle it
[15:16] <dogmatic69> ye
[15:16] <dogmatic69> ls was working, rm not
[15:16] <BigRedS> dogmatic69: find /dir -exec rm {} \;
[15:16] <davmor2> popey: I think you'll find that is spelt "Compuuutar!"
[15:16] <BigRedS> actually, I think find as a -delete
[15:17] <diplo> It does, but i used to have issues with find as well with that many files
[15:18] <BigRedS> well, it runs away with all your I/O and sits there chewing it, but it gets there in the end
[15:18] <BigRedS> I regularly do that to stupid web developers who put session files in wrong places
[15:18] <diplo> yeah, wasn't great for me.. think find took minutes and perl was in seconds
[15:18] <BigRedS> Ah, I'd not even considered writing anything else
[15:19] <BigRedS> just an unlink in a readdir loop?
[15:19] <diplo> Yep
[15:19] <diplo> :)
[15:19] <BigRedS> Hm. If I'm feeling particularly nice i'll do that next time
[15:20] <BigRedS> else they can bloody well lose all I/O for half an hour as punishment :)
[15:20] <diplo> heh
[15:20] <diplo> I must chuck all these scripts into my github or something
[15:20] <BigRedS> I keep meaning to do that
[15:20] <BigRedS> and then I tidy them up
[15:20] <BigRedS> and then they stop working
[15:20] <diplo> May be useful to someone at some point.. probably not great scripts but they work for me
[15:20] <BigRedS> and so I give up for a bit
[15:20] <diplo> lol
[15:21] <BigRedS> yeah, last commit was 7 months ago
[15:21] <BigRedS> https://github.com/BigRedS/avi-utils
[15:21] <diplo> Probably when i set mine up, never commited to it yet
[16:03] <BigRedS> Anyone got a handy grub1 to grub2 dictionary?
[16:19] <bigcalm> davmor2: Chinese!
[16:21] <davmor2> bigcalm: What?
[16:21]  * bigcalm taps his nose
[16:23] <davmor2> bigcalm: Your nose is Chinese......are you taking your tablet's?
[16:23] <bigcalm> Heh
[16:23] <bigcalm> Imp
[16:23] <shauno> ugh.  don't get me started on grub2
[16:25] <AlanBell> anyone know how to generate a signed PDF file from libreoffice or something?
[16:26] <gord> davmor2, whats that funkyness to get oneiric paid apps in the precice software centre?
[16:27] <gord> davmor2, also hello ;)
[16:29] <davmor2> gord: don't do it payments is broken in USC on precise currently should be fixed by the end of the day-ish-maybe-if-we-are-lucky
[16:29] <gord> davmor2, right, not for buying stuff, dev stuff
[16:30] <davmor2> gord: export SOFTWARE_CENTER_DISTRO_CODENAME='oneiric'
[16:30] <gord> davmor2, ta very much :)
[16:33] <davmor2> gord: no worries and hello
[16:36] <bigcalm> Bit warm in here
[16:36] <bigcalm> And the heating isn't on
[16:37] <bigcalm> Is Spring approaching us?
[16:38]  * popey wonders if AlanBell will set this up in his garden.. http://www.wired.com/underwire/2012/02/headless-chicken-solution/
[16:39] <bigcalm> Creepy
[16:40] <bigcalm> More ethical than battery hens
[16:40] <AlanBell> gosh
[16:42] <shauno> "the removal of suffering" is an interesting line.  buddhist chickens?
[16:43]  * bigcalm wonders if he'll have chicken tonight or not
[16:46] <bigcalm> Is it worth making my Xoom think it's running the US image so that it'll update to ICS
[16:47] <bigcalm> What will I lose from the UK version?
[16:47] <simondbull> that article has scared me enough to put me off going to KFC tonight.....
[16:47] <diplo> bigcalm, not just custom mod it ?
[16:48] <bigcalm> diplo: I'm trying to be good with this device
[16:48] <diplo> :p
[16:48] <bigcalm> diplo: it actually works ok for me so far. But I do want ICS
[16:49] <bigcalm> Is ICS out for the SGS2 as an OTA update yet?
[16:50] <diplo> Not afaik
[16:51] <popey> http://makeplaylive.com/
[16:51] <popey> pre-orders for kde spark thing
[16:51] <diplo> heh, just saw that myself
[16:51] <diplo> Follow Bryan as well ?
[16:51] <popey> ya
[16:52] <bigcalm> popey: that looks nice
[16:52] <bigcalm> mrevell: did you manage to put CM on your phone?
[16:52] <mrevell> bigcalm, erm
[16:52] <mrevell> no
[16:53] <mrevell> Didn't get a sufficiently round tuit.
[16:53] <bigcalm> All tablets appear to have HDMI outputs. Anybody here hook their tablet up to a monitor or TV?
[16:53] <bigcalm> Fair enough :)
[16:55] <popey> bigcalm: i have
[16:55] <popey> transformer can run an external screen at 1080p
[16:56] <bigcalm> I should run out and get a small hdmi connector cable to play with
[16:57] <bigcalm> Not sure when I would ever use it though
[16:57] <bigcalm> Maybe if I were presenting
[16:58] <directhex> i have a mini hdmi cable. for hooking my camera up to the tv!
[17:03] <MartijnVdS> directhex: now you can watch your home-made uhm.. "nature documentaries" on a big screen!
[17:04] <directhex> MartijnVdS, in 3d!
[17:04] <MartijnVdS> 8-)
[17:05] <popey> bigcalm: i bought a couple of hdmi cables and the converters for cheap from amazon
[17:06] <bigcalm> I like my HDMI to DVI cables
[17:06] <gord> amazon basic do some nice hdmi cables
[17:07]  * bigcalm hungry
[17:07] <bigcalm> Can I hold out for another 3 hours?
[18:33] <czajkowski> and home
[18:39] <bigcalm> czajkowski: hope you're hungry :)
[18:39] <bigcalm> I've just cooked tea for Hayley
[18:40]  * bigcalm can smell it and it's making my tummy grumble
[18:40] <czajkowski> heh
[18:40] <bigcalm> Will be setting off in 25 mins to find me a Mr Revell
[18:43] <czajkowski> cool
[18:43] <czajkowski> only in the door myself about 10 mins
[18:56] <agk0> ..
[18:57] <CTtechguy>  ...
[18:58]  * GnomeVersionOfXc hatNoUseNickSettings
[18:58] <GnomeVersionOfXc> pos
[19:26] <dwatkins> o.O
[19:35] <daftykins> O_O
[19:38] <dwatkins> quite
[19:38] <Azelphur> O.o
[19:39] <daftykins> Sir Patrick Moore O_.
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[19:44] <Azelphur> I'm so mad right now I could flip a table, (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻)
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
[19:44]  * MartijnVdS has aliases for both
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> also, coloured version of
[19:44] <Azelphur> hehe
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> *\o/* *\o/* *\o/* *\o/*
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> but that doesn't work in this channel
[19:50] <popey> evening
[19:50] <jacobw> evening
[19:51] <jacobw> Azelphur: tables are people too, don't flip them :(
[19:51] <Azelphur> Oh god, I had no idea tables where sentient beings, I've been so mean :(
[19:54] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: they only hunt at night
[19:54] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:01] <dwatkins> It's times like this that I wish I had xchat...
[20:02] <CTtechguy> dwatkins: what do you use for a chat client?
[20:09] <Azelphur> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2012/February/2012-02-08-030714_3840x1200_scrot.png
[20:09] <Azelphur> IRC I'm doing it right? :D
[20:10] <dwatkins> CTtechguy: irssi
[20:11] <AlanBell> all about the Unity design process http://design.canonical.com/2012/02/the-unity-design-process-and-how-you-can-play-a-part-in-it/
[20:11] <jacobw> wrong
[20:12] <ubuntubhoy> it has 'design' ??
[20:12] <AlanBell> curiously substance abuse does not appear to be a major part of it
[20:12] <AlanBell> ubuntubhoy: it has lots of design
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: employment by Canonical?
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: does it require that?
[20:12] <AlanBell> ubuntubhoy: like we have lots of weather
[20:12] <jacobw> The third sentence should be in bold
[20:12] <ubuntubhoy> AlanBell, more accident than design I think
[20:13] <AlanBell> nope, it is all carefully designed
[20:13] <ubuntubhoy> even bad design would not come up with some of it
[20:13] <jacobw> 'design' is a magic word
[20:13] <CTtechguy> dwatkins: I tried that and weechatt for abit but went back to xchat
[20:14] <ali1234> the main problem with unity design as i see it is that lots of small parts are being designed with no consideration for how they interact with each other
[20:15] <AlanBell> yeah, there is this "every pixel matters" thing
[20:15] <ali1234> so you've got lots of small things that are individually defensible for the people who designed them
[20:15] <AlanBell> and sometimes the problems are bigger than pixels
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> ♫ Every pixel's sacred
[20:15] <ali1234> but when you try to use them all together they just make no sense
[20:15] <AlanBell> if a pixel is wasted, sabdfl gets most irate
[20:16] <AlanBell> http://people.canonical.com/~platform/design/ is interesting
[20:17] <ali1234> it doesn't help that any time someone makes an argument for why something is bad they get inundated with "you hate change", "you are not a normal user" and "use something else if you don't like it"
[20:18] <ali1234> you basically have to be extremely stubborn to take any part in such discussions
[20:21] <AlanBell> there are some wacky priorities on things
[20:21] <ali1234> man, priorities
[20:21] <AlanBell> there are bugs like this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/863240 where a font is the wrong weight, but it is no issue that font resizing just plain doesn't work
[20:23] <daftykins> 0o
[20:24] <ali1234> what do you mean by "font resizing doesn't work"?
[20:24] <ali1234> it seems to work for me, as long as i'm not using xfce or kde
[20:26] <AlanBell> ooh, it has started to work a bit
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: font size is in Ångstrom :p
[20:27] <ali1234> a much better example of priorities is that the sound control applet has been totally redesigned four times since the introduction of pulse audio, but pulse audio itself still doesn't work properly
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: PA works fine
[20:27] <popey> does it work properly in other distros?
[20:27] <ali1234> nope
[20:27] <ali1234> does that make it ok?
[20:28] <popey> there's lots broken in the linux desktop, pa is just one bit
[20:28] <ali1234> there sure is
[20:29] <ali1234> that is just one example
[20:30] <popey> It's not our remit to fix every upstream package. Never has been.
[20:30] <AlanBell> well thats cool, only a bit of oddness remains with the font resizing
[20:33] <gord> there should be a kickstarter type thing, but for fixing bugs
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> gord: they tried bug bounties, didn't help
[20:33] <hcfd> Hey guys, I want to move my current Ubuntu installation to a new drive and boot from it instead. Currently on mdadm software RAID1 and moving to a single SSD - both filesystems ext4. If I mount the new partition, can I just use cp -R -p /* to move things over, do the fstab and GRUB thing and then I'm good? Or.. do I need to boot a liveCD so that / is unmounted first?
[20:33] <daftykins> why exactly does ubuntu hold onto pulse audio? i only ever hear it in conversations where it's causing trouble
[20:33] <gord> MartijnVdS, one failed attempt != flawed premise
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: because it works for most people
[20:33] <daftykins> mmm true
[20:33] <popey> it generally works
[20:34] <gord> alsa isn't that great, its missing a bunch of features of pusle that i would very much miss
[20:34] <daftykins> hcfd: it would probably be quicker from an outside environment
[20:34] <ali1234> the stated reason for using pulseaudio is that it is the only system that supports bluetooth/usb headsets
[20:34] <ali1234> but this is also the area that has the most problems
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: so fix the bugs or write a better system
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> Also, pulse can mix my audio streams and give my per-stream volume control
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> which WORKS
[20:35] <hcfd> daftykins, true, but will this work? I mean if I boot a CD I'm not certain that my RAID array for / will come up properly (though likely it will)
[20:36] <ali1234> MartijnVdS: you've just committed the logical fallacy i was talking about before
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: being?
[20:36] <ali1234> that i should "fix it myself"
[20:36] <hcfd> daftykins, I'd rather avoid the downtime, even if this method I'm using takes longer.
[20:36] <daftykins> hcfd: fair point, well give it a go? all you'll lose is time :)
[20:36] <daftykins> oic
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: Anything more constructive than whining would do really
[20:37] <hcfd> daftykins, well, CPU and I/O time.. not *my* time -- which is what I'm trying to save ;)
[20:37] <daftykins> =]
[20:37] <ali1234> MartijnVdS: whining is exactly what you are doing
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> "It's bad", sure. But what part is bad? How could it be fixed?
[20:37] <ali1234> MartijnVdS: go search launchpad for pulse audio bugs, there are plenty
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: so are X bugs and Firefox bugs
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: do you propose to drop those?
[20:38] <hcfd> daftykins, sure I'll do it and find out. If it flops, I can use the LiveCD method instead :)
[20:38] <ali1234> MartijnVdS: i don't propose dropping pulse audio
[20:38] <daftykins> hcfd: sounds good :) let me know how you get on
[20:38] <hcfd> daftykins, will do. :)
[20:38] <ali1234> MartijnVdS: i propose fixing the base system before rewriting the control panel applet for the fourth time
[20:38] <ali1234> it's never going to work properly no matter how much you redisng the applet, because the core is broken
[20:38] <hcfd> Lots of permissions are failing re: preserving them, but I don't think that's a big deal.. mostly stuff in /dev so far
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: I don't experience brokenness at all. Maybe it's a subset of people experiencing with exotic hard/software that has problems?
[20:41] <ali1234> MartijnVdS: is a usb microphone exotic hardware? it can't be all that exotic if the existence of such devices was a major factor in choosing pulse audio in the first place
[20:41] <popey> my usb mic works
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> so does mine
[20:41] <ali1234> mine works
[20:41] <daubers> as does mine...
[20:41] <ali1234> until i reboot
[20:41] <popey> all 3 in fact
[20:41] <ali1234> then it stops working
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> hardware problem
[20:42] <ali1234> it isnt a hardware problem, it is a design flaw in pulse audio
[20:42] <ali1234> it cannot remember devices
[20:42] <popey> pulse audio is upstream
[20:42] <popey> tell lennart
[20:43] <jacobw> lennart /o\
[20:43] <ali1234> the best part is even if you disable all sound devices it still won't automatically select the microphone when you plug it in
[20:43] <ali1234> you just get nothing
[20:43] <hcfd> I have issues with Ubuntu 10.04LTS and Pulse... it doesn't detect the correct channels for my Envy24 / ICE1712 chip, but there's a manual fix. A pain in the ass, but, well, it works.
[20:43] <ali1234> this isn't even a bug, it is a design flaw
[20:43] <ali1234> all the bugs in pa have been fixed by now
[20:44] <hcfd> All the bugs, or just the reported ones?
[20:44] <hcfd> :p
[20:44] <ali1234> well there is always new hardware coming out
[20:45] <ali1234> 10.04 is really old, back then PA was buggy as hell
[20:45] <ali1234> LTS doesn't get fixes except for security bugs and serious crashes
[20:45] <hcfd> Aye
[20:45] <ali1234> i don't have a problem with that
[20:45] <hcfd> I'll probably move to 12.04LTS at the right time
[20:45] <hcfd> Thing is, *my* hardware is old, and extremely common and popular amongst audiophiles.
[20:45] <daftykins> that'll be why i have so much trouble with PA on my HTPC then :D
[20:46] <ali1234> most of these problems are actually problems in the ALSA drivers and not PA itself
[20:46] <daftykins> like, an unclean shutdown caused it to stop stereo analog audio working in XBMC until i fiddled with it
[20:46] <hcfd> Basically, the digital audio works perfectly on it, out of the box, but the analogue audio is totally broken until one manually fixes it
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> hcfd: audiophiles? you mean those people who buy golden cables on special risers, at £100/meter, for the "better acoustic quality"?
[20:46] <hcfd> MartijnVdS, no, not those muppets.
[20:47] <daftykins> just those that care about quality :)
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> ;)
[20:47]  * daftykins rubs FLAC
[20:47] <hcfd> Snakeoil consumers aplenty, that's for sure!
[20:48] <popey> denonlink ☺
[20:48] <ali1234> it's no coincidence that network manager suffers from similar design flaws with plaggable hardware
[20:49] <ali1234> and btw, the reason i single out ubuntu for this criticism is because ubuntu developers constantly criticise upstream projects for telling users to "fix it themselves" citing the "ubuntu is for everyone" ideal
[20:49] <ali1234> but then they use the same excuses
[20:49] <ali1234> i find this to be extremely hypocritical
[20:52] <hcfd> Superuser cannot access ~/.gvfs folder when mounted ... damnit! daftykins, looks like I need to do this via LiveCD!
[20:53] <hcfd> Bad bad bad .gvfs not conforming to spec!  I see many people are having trouble doing backups and the like because of this
[20:55] <hcfd> It is down as a bug though
[20:55] <ali1234> what are you trying to do anyway?
[20:55] <popey> You want to copy from one disk to another?
[20:55] <popey> I'd use a live usb...
[20:55] <popey> well, I did this week
[20:55] <hcfd> Move my installation on / to another disk (new SSD - OCZ Agility 3.. wooo!)
[20:55] <popey> gparted, copy/paste
[20:55] <ali1234> just reinstall
[20:56] <daftykins> :D
[20:56] <hcfd> Can't reinstall... / contains my /home and everything else
[20:56] <hcfd> Lots of system settings customised, etc
[20:56] <ali1234> of course you can
[20:56] <hcfd> s/can't/can... but don't want to :D
[20:56] <hcfd> I've patched my kernel and a bunch of crap I've forgotten how to do
[20:56] <daftykins> i suppose you could clean install on the SSD, fully update, then move the files across in the same way
[20:56] <daftykins> ooh-err
[20:57] <ali1234> that's what i do every 6 months
[20:57] <ali1234> stops my home directory getting filled with rubbish
[20:57] <hcfd> Yeah.. tis Ubuntu 10.04LTS with tweaks and patches for bits of hardware that took a while to get working
[20:57] <ali1234> old home directory goes to long term storage/backup
[20:57] <ali1234> then i cherry pick stuff when i need it
[20:58]  * hcfd nods
[20:58] <ali1234> which is usually never
[20:58] <jacobw> the ubuntu installer won't touch /home anyway
[20:58] <popey> _if_ you choose manual install jacobw
[20:58] <hcfd> I need my current patched kernel.. I'll try the gparted way
[20:58] <ali1234> my "upgrade" procedure goes like this:
[20:58] <jacobw> ok, that makes sense.
[20:58] <hcfd> Can gparted copy MBR?
[20:59] <popey> no
[20:59] <hcfd> Do this before I reboot into gparted live then?
[20:59] <ali1234> boot install CD, move /home/al /etc /opt to backup drive, format disk, reinstall
[20:59] <jacobw> why would you want to copy the mbr?
[20:59] <popey> thats not a problem you can chroot to the new disk and grub-install
[20:59] <jacobw> just grub-install /dev/?
[20:59] <popey> jacobw: you wont have grub
[20:59] <popey> you need to chroot to the install to do that properly
[20:59] <hcfd> jacobw, popey, yeah fair point. Just trying to make less work for myself! hah
[21:00] <popey> i did this on tuesday when my ssd arrived
[21:00] <hcfd> gparted and chroot it is then
[21:00] <popey> moved from 320GB spinning rust to 240GB SSD
[21:00] <daftykins> i do wub SSDs
[21:00] <hcfd> Nice one popey
[21:00] <daftykins> popey: which did you get? :)
[21:00] <jacobw> ssds are a little bit too expensive :(
[21:00] <daftykins> i've a 256GB crucial m4 in this asus laptop \o/
[21:01] <popey> http://www.ebuyer.com/260707-ocz-240gb-vertex-3-ssd-2-5-sata-iii-6gb-s-read-550mb-s-write-520mb-s-vtx3-25sat3-240g
[21:01] <popey> ^ that one
[21:01] <daftykins> ah-har
[21:01] <hcfd> I'm moving from 2x80GB mdadm RAID1... so crap.. to 120GB SSD. Moving to 2.5X the read speed, even with the RAID1. Pity I don't have native SATAIII else I'd have 5X speed
[21:01] <daftykins> hehe
[21:01] <dwatkins> I just bought a hybrid disk for my laptop, seems to work very well.
[21:01] <hcfd> popey, I got a wee OCZ Agility 3.. 120GB, £110. Bargain.
[21:02] <daftykins> i almost wish i had 10Gig ethernet at home to see what my SSDs could push to and from my hefty RAID array
[21:02] <popey> sweet!
[21:02] <daftykins> seagate momentus XT?
[21:02] <daubers> daftykins: Array size?
[21:02] <hcfd> :D
[21:02] <daftykins> i've seen one of the first gen in use
[21:03] <daubers> daftykins: 24 SSDs across 3 raid cards will do 6GB/s+
[21:03] <daftykins> daubers: still my old 6 x 1TB RAID 5, so not so much potential to test the above :D only ~600GB free on that one now :O
[21:03] <daftykins> nice :D
[21:03] <daubers> daftykins: Ick, that'll be slowing down nicely now :)
[21:03] <hcfd> Pity I've got a bunch of slow Seagate crap RAID1... 3TB worth. Still, that stuff reads at 125MB/sec which isn't too shoddy.
[21:04] <hcfd> Anyway, I'd better power down and do this thing.  Looking forward to insane VM boot times amongst other benefits :D
[21:04] <hcfd> Thanks for all your assistance guys.
[21:04] <hcfd> bbl
[21:04] <daftykins> :)
[21:05] <popey> fun
[21:05] <daftykins> ah when i moved my desktop to an SSD i had my VMs on a 300GB WD velociraptor
[21:05] <daftykins> guest OSs are like bare metal installs for boot speed etc
[21:05] <daftykins> :>
[21:09] <KrimZon> is it possible to customize the ubuntu main menu thing?
[21:09] <KrimZon> the only thing I ever need to click on there is "More Apps"
[21:11] <dogmatic69> could anyone help me with renaming files and folders? what is an easy way to do this in batch?
[21:13] <daftykins> dogmatic69: what are you working on?
[21:14] <dogmatic69> daftykins: I use CakePHP and the new version changed from floders_like_this/and_files.php to FoldersLikeThis/AndFiles.php
[21:14] <dogmatic69> want to do that, but have thousands of files
[21:14] <daftykins> ah-har
[21:15] <daftykins> so you probably need someone that knows regular expressions to sort out a renaming plan that removes underscores
[21:15] <dogmatic69> I can prob just write a little php shell script
[21:16] <dogmatic69> the Cake framework has a underscore_text -> UnderscoreText method, Ill just read the paths, loop through and use `mv $old $new`
[21:30] <jacobw> match ?_? and toupper ?&?
[21:31] <jacobw> hmm, not quite
[21:31] <jacobw> hi hamitron
[21:31] <hamitron> evening
[21:31] <hamitron> :)
[22:08] <Memran> hello uk ubuntu-ers :)
[22:08] <popey> oh look, i have hud now
[22:08] <popey> hello Memran
[22:09] <zleap> hello Memran, popey
[22:09] <popey> my firefox keeps locking up
[22:10]  * popey reboots
[22:12] <Memran> hm just over 1 year left of LTS on my 10.04
[22:13] <jacobw> 'bones' is so implausible
[22:13] <jacobw> 10.04 is old now :)
[22:13] <Memran> I think I need to plan my upgrade]
[22:15] <Memran> I only updated to 10.04 yesterday because my 9.10 repos were all 404-ing
[22:15] <Memran> lol
[22:15] <KrimZon> I'm on 10.04 here
[22:15] <daftykins> XD
[22:15] <daftykins> yeah i run my HTPCs on LTS
[22:15] <daftykins> shall have to move up from Lucid
[22:16] <daftykins> if XBMC loves another version long time, that is
[22:16] <jacobw> i'm watching 'bones'
[22:16] <Memran> this is my proxy server and ssh tunnel for bypassing the corporate proxy at work ;)
[22:16] <jacobw> its so implausible :@
[22:17] <Memran> but now I want to host some webapps
[22:17] <jacobw> ok
[22:17] <popey> hmm, thunderbird and firefox both locking up
[22:18] <Memran> and my app server of of choice is tomcat7, but there's no package in the 10.04 repos
[22:18]  * Memran sighs
[22:18] <jacobw> popey: versions?
[22:18] <popey> 11
[22:18] <popey> on 12.04
[22:19] <jacobw> Memran: what exactly do you want to host?
[22:20] <Memran> My web app portfolio for work references etc
[22:20] <Memran> Basically a bunch of demo sites I've made
[22:22] <Memran> Its just that I use tomcat7 on my development machine, and would prefer my server to be the same
[22:22] <Memran> it doesn't have to be, but its just that little bit more config, that I don't want to have to do :)
[22:29] <Memran> I think my upgrade from karmic to lucid was not 100% clean :|
[22:29] <Memran> the more i investigate, the more issues i find
[22:30] <jacobw> what issues are you finding?
[22:30] <jacobw> you should be able to replicate your tomcat environment
[22:30] <Memran> eg: "java -version" causing the jvm to fall over
[22:31] <jacobw> which jvm are you using?
[22:31] <Memran> well i just tried to install openjdk-6
[22:31] <Memran> but synaptic spewed out lots of errors
[22:32] <Memran> so i don't think any jvm is correctly installed right now
[22:33] <jacobw> how did you upgrade? using do-release-upgrade?
[22:33] <Memran> synaptic did it via the gui
[22:34] <Memran> i'm not particularly linux-savvy :(
[22:34] <jacobw> `cat /etc/issue`
[22:35] <Memran> Ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS \n \l
[22:36] <jacobw> ok, what does `apt-get -f install` say?
[22:36] <jacobw> there's a useful tool called pastebinit, `apt-get install pastebinit` and then you can pipe any command to pastebinit and get back a pastebin url
[22:37] <Memran> k i'll get that
[22:37] <Memran> apt is spewing out *lots* of errors
[22:38] <Memran> installing pastebinit now :)
[22:39] <Memran> or possibly not, since apt is going nuts again
[22:39] <AlanBell> what is the screencast thing that is is the new hotness?
[22:40] <jacobw> ok, if it can't install pastebinit just copy its output from the terminal and pastebin manually
[22:40] <popey> kazam
[22:40] <AlanBell> thanks
[22:41] <Memran> i think pastebinit installed
[22:41] <Memran> I am re-running what you said before
[22:41] <popey> I'd ran "sudo apt-get update" first tbh
[22:41] <popey> *run
[22:42] <Memran> http://pastebin.com/raaRe3j6
[22:42] <Memran> it appears to be compaining about repo site certicicates
[22:44] <popey> Memran: sudo apt-get update
[22:44] <popey> and please pastebin the result
[22:44] <AlanBell> no, they are not repo certs
[22:44] <AlanBell> they are root certs
[22:45] <Memran> http://pastebin.com/3i06zQ2i
[22:45] <popey> sudo apt-get install --reinstall ca-certificates-java
[22:48] <Memran> same errors as first pastebin
[22:48] <Memran> i can re pastebinit if you need?
[22:48] <popey> hmmm
[22:49] <popey> how much ram does your pc have Memran ?
[22:50] <jacobw> uh?
[22:50] <Memran> 265M iirc
[22:50] <popey> that may be why
[22:50] <Memran> let apt finish and I'll check :)
[22:50] <Memran> o
[22:50] <popey> bug 556044
[22:50] <popey> see comment 11
[22:54] <Memran> apparently i have 512m
[22:54] <Memran> http://pastebin.com/9JSsTUGT
[22:54] <Memran> if i am reading that correctly "free -m"
[22:54] <popey> wonder if java has a small heap or something
[22:55] <AlanBell> 10.04.4 just got released
[22:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> I've been seeing /etc/issue updates since last night ;-)
[22:56] <dogmatic69> Memran: thats loads, Mem:          8000       7900        100 <- 100MB
[22:58] <Memran> er you lost me, sorry
[22:58] <AlanBell> lost me too
[22:58] <AlanBell> anyhow, yes you have 512MB
[22:59] <dogmatic69> Memran: free -m
[22:59] <AlanBell> dogmatic69: that was the previous pastebin
[22:59] <Memran> thats what I did, here: http://pastebin.com/9JSsTUGT
[22:59] <dogmatic69> nv
[23:02] <AlanBell> do you need ca-certificates-java?
[23:02] <Memran> i don't know whether i need it or not
[23:02] <AlanBell> is there something you are trying to install that depends on it?
[23:03] <AlanBell> what they are is the public keys of a heap of companies like verisign etc, certificate authorities
[23:03] <Memran> i guess openjdk6
[23:03] <AlanBell> they are there for creating certificate signing requests and for serving up as part of a chain of certificates for SSL
[23:04] <Memran> i dont need to use it in my apps
[23:04] <AlanBell> if you are not doing SSL and you don't need your server to connect to ssl resources then you might not need that package at all
[23:05] <Memran> ok, so i'll try to remove it
[23:08] <Memran> oh, it will remove all of openjdk too
[23:08] <Memran> :|
[23:09] <AlanBell> ok, well that won't work then :(
[23:09] <Memran> i guess i'll install sun's jdk instead
[23:09] <Memran> apt failed me!
[23:09] <Memran> ;)
[23:09] <AlanBell> I wouldn't install the sun thing
[23:10] <AlanBell> maybe the new upstream oracle jdk
[23:10] <AlanBell> which is openjdk7 anyway really
[23:10] <jacobw> remember the java update of last month
[23:12] <Memran> ah
[23:15] <Memran> well with openjdk6 removed, apt-get update looks clean
[23:16] <jacobw> update should give you any problems
[23:16] <jacobw> *shouldn't
[23:16] <jacobw> upgrade will try to configure the package and trigger the postinst scripts that causes those errors
[23:17] <Memran> doing that now
[23:17] <Memran> i guess it will take a while
[23:18] <popey> I'd remove all of java and reinstall
[23:19] <Memran> its removed :)
[23:19]  * CTtechguy is away:
[23:23]  * bigcalm flops
[23:25]  * popey flips
[23:27] <bigcalm> I used to make flip flops with capacitors and leds for fun
[23:28] <jacobw> ooh
[23:29] <bigcalm> A good night was had by all
[23:29] <bigcalm> And now, time for snoozy land
[23:29] <jacobw> goodnight
[23:29] <bigcalm> Toodle pip
[23:29] <hcfd_> Hey, so I've got my SSD booting now
[23:30] <hcfd_> But.. when I try to login to Ubuntu 'Unable to cd to '/home/$user'
[23:30] <hcfd_> Any ideas?
[23:30] <hcfd_> '/home' isn't in fstab, and never has been
[23:32] <hcfd_> Is this just a permissions issue? I would fix it if I could but ofc I use sudo or sudo su *after* logging in
[23:32] <hcfd_> ie: I can't login as root on Ubuntu 10.04.4LTS
[23:32] <popey> did you copy your /home directory over o the new ssd?
[23:33] <popey> you can login as root ☺  boot to single user mode
[23:33] <hcfd_> I did copy it over.. I think perhaps there is a permissions issue
[23:34] <hcfd_> I have not set a password for root
[23:34] <popey> you dont nede to
[23:34] <popey> hold shift at boot to get boot menu and choose recovery mode
[23:34] <hcfd_> Remind me how to boot to single user mode? It usually boots to CLI asking for login.
[23:34] <popey> or edit the kernel boot line and make it have 'single' in it
[23:34] <hcfd_> Ah recovery mode, sure
[23:37] <hcfd_> argh,corrupt graphics
[23:37] <hcfd_> okay, login prompt
[23:38] <hcfd_> Looks like it's not in single user mode?
[23:41] <hcfd_> Ahh, okay, got a root shell but the graphics are a tad messed up.. unreadable actually.
[23:44] <hcfd_> Root login now enabled..this will work, hopefully :)
[23:48] <Memran> so... there's no 11.xx LTS?
[23:48] <hcfd_> 10.04 and 12.04 -- even numbers Memran
[23:49] <hcfd_> popey, so I'm in as root, permissions look fine.. no idea why I can't login as $user
[23:49] <Memran> ok, i'll investigate that upgrade path :)
[23:50] <hcfd_> :)
[23:50] <Memran> hmm is there a 12.04 availble? lol
[23:52] <Memran> i see 10.04 lts (my current) and 11.10
[23:52] <hcfd_> 12.04 is out soon
[23:52] <hcfd_> April in fact (hence the 04)
[23:53] <Memran> its a date!
[23:53] <Memran> lol i never realised :)
[23:53] <hamitron> just make sure you bring cake ;)
[23:53] <Memran> hehe :)
[23:53] <hcfd_> :D