[17:27] <blackflow> TJ-: default in Ubuntu 15.10
[17:27] <Chicken_Wrap> So Gnome-terminal.
[17:27] <blackflow> Chicken_Wrap: 3.16.2 according to About, yes.
[17:27] <Chicken_Wrap> Yes. Does it do the same for you in Xterm?
[17:27] <TJ-> blackflow: I recall there were somtimes issues like hat with GTK/Gnome based terminals, due to it having a compositor option or such-like, and disabling that would solve it. I haven't used GTK/Gnome for a long time now though, so don't know if that's still a possibility
[17:27] <Chicken_Wrap> Launch Xterm and see if the cursor disappears.
[17:27] <blackflow> Chicken_Wrap: I don't knwo, will have to check
[17:28] <blackflow> Chicken_Wrap: yes it does
[17:28] <Chicken_Wrap> So it's not just Gnome-terminal.
[17:29] <blackflow> looks like it
[17:29] <ted__> hi
[17:29] <TJ-> blackflow: the cursor isn't just turning into a very narrow vertical bar you can't see?
[17:30] <blackflow> TJ-: naah, it completely disappears
[17:30] <blackflow> reappears when I click
[17:30] <Chicken_Wrap> Welcome back, EriC^^.
[17:30] <EriC^^> Thanks Chicken_Wrap :)
[17:30] <fero_> Bashing-om:  should i try sudo apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[17:30] <Chicken_Wrap> No problem. :^)
[17:30] <fero_> and then try to update?
[17:30] <TJ-> blackflow: have you recently manually used 'xrandr' ?
[17:31] <ted__> I have a dell printer question
[17:31] <yahn> blackflow, can you try: gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.cursor active false
[17:31] <blackflow> TJ-: nope, but I have rearranged primary (of the two) monitor(s) with the regular Settings -> Display tool
[17:31] <Chicken_Wrap> fero_: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:31] <TJ-> blackflow: there used to be an option along the lines of "mouse cursor should disappear when keyboard is in use"
[17:32] <blackflow> yahn: active false?
[17:32] <yahn> blackflow, yeah try the false flag
[17:32] <Chicken_Wrap> blacflow: Probably just in case. :^)
[17:32] <Chicken_Wrap> *blackflow.
[17:33] <blackflow> yahn: did that, nothing changed
[17:33] <yahn> blackflow, if it doesn't work set it back to true
[17:33] <yahn> blackflow, ah ok
[17:33] <Chicken_Wrap> Did you restart your terminal session, blackflow?
[17:33] <Bashing-om> fero_: Well ... when ' sudo apt update ' returns with "hashsume mismatch " there is no point in going any further 'till the 2 respective databases agree . - I have had to wait several hours for my mirror to complete it's update process with mother ubuntu .
[17:33] <blackflow> Chicken_Wrap: nope, lemme try...
[17:33] <Chicken_Wrap> Just run <reset>.
[17:33] <zippo^> How much envirnonment has Ubuntu?
[17:34] <Chicken_Wrap> wat
[17:34] <blackflow> Chicken_Wrap: naah, when I start typing, the cursor disappears, lemme try active true
[17:34] <yahn> zippo^, what do you mean?
[17:34] <Chicken_Wrap> Ubuntu has lots of environment.
[17:34] <blackflow> yahn: ^^^^ too
[17:34] <ikonia> how much environment ?
[17:34] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: there's a way to force not using cache with curl, curl -H "Pragma: no-cache" <url> , maybe that could help
[17:34] <fero_> Chicken_Wrap:  ok
[17:34] <fero_> Bashing-om:  ok i will wait 2 days
[17:34] <blackflow> nope, still disappears when I start typing
[17:34] <fero_> thank you
[17:34] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: usually after i use curl with that, wget and others return the updated page
[17:34] <Chicken_Wrap> ... Reset again? :^)
[17:35] <yahn> blackflow, I see what you mean now. It happens to me too..
[17:35] <zippo^> ubuntu has unity, mate, kubuntu, lubuntu, etc. hwo much is the total, yahn
[17:35] <TJ-> blackflow: so it does disappear... but never re-appears even if you leave the keyboard alone for many seconds?
[17:35] <blackflow> TJ-: it reappears only when I click
[17:35] <louy> experienced a crash. many functions disabled, what should I do? tryed new instalation but is not possible.
[17:35] <TJ-> blackflow: does it reappear if you move the mouse so the cursor will be outside the terminal window?
[17:36] <yahn> blackflow, it appears this is a 'feature' of gnome terminal
[17:36] <blackflow> TJ-: no
[17:36] <blackflow> yahn: if so, that's so "wonderful"....
[17:36] <yahn> zippo^, do you mean how many official 'spins' of Ubuntu?
[17:36] <Chicken_Wrap> zippo^: http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/flavours
[17:36] <Chicken_Wrap> Have fun.
[17:36] <yahn> blackflow, let me see if there's a switch somewhere
[17:36] <zippo^> yes, yahn
[17:36] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Interesting . Will have to give that a whirl ... but since I have changed my mirror, Have had no problems with this mirror keeping up-2-date .
[17:37] <blackflow> yahn: thanks!
[17:37] <zippo^> i saw total nine enviroments, Chicken_Wrap
[17:37] <yahn> blackflow, it's definitely a 'feature'. There's an open bug report suggestion a toggle here: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759387
[17:37] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: ok, cool
[17:37] <Chicken_Wrap> Yes, zippo^.
[17:37] <someone235> Hi, I've installed nvidia-352 driver, but now whenever I boot I get "Please unlock disk sda3_crypt", and when I hit my password nothing happens.
[17:38] <someone235> any suggestions?
[17:38] <blackflow> yahn: good find, thanks!
[17:38] <yahn> blackflow, I think your only option is to use a different terminal emulator at this stage :/
[17:39] <Chicken_Wrap> It does the same in Xterm, yahn.
[17:39] <yahn> someone235, you set up full disk encryption on the machine yeah?
[17:39] <someone235> yahn, yes
[17:40] <yahn> someone235, and it doesn't come up with anything at all after entering your password? No progress etc?
[17:41] <blackflow> yahn: yup. thanks for finding that out for me.
[17:41] <someone235> yahn, no
[17:42] <someone235> yahn, I see a still image, when I hit the password I see it typed (not with asterisks) in the top left corner
[17:42] <an3k> How can I change the language the Official Ubuntu Documentation is shown in?
[17:42] <EriC^^> someone235: does an older kernel work?
[17:43] <yahn> Chicken_Wrap, yeah it does. In fact it still happens in terminator and rox-term
[17:43] <Chicken_Wrap> So, is anyone using a custom plymouth theme for their splash screen?
[17:43] <someone235> EriC^^, idk. I have a fresh Xubuntu 15.10 install. Didn't update the kernel or something
[17:44] <EriC^^> someone235: did you run apt-get dist-upgrade?
[17:44] <someone235> EriC^^, no, it's a fresh install from iso
[17:44] <EriC^^> oh ok
[17:45] <EriC^^> someone235: maybe try recovery mode and remove the nvidia driver?
[17:45] <someone235> EriC^^, recovery mode get stuck
[17:46] <EriC^^> someone235: boot a live usb and trouble shoot i guess, or reinstall since it's a fresh install
[17:46] <yahn> someone235, is this an optimus system by any chance?
[17:47] <yahn> blackflow, super strange..happens in all terminals I've tried so far. Must be something Ubuntu specific.
[17:47] <someone235> EriC^^, yahn it seems that I have 2 kernels installed. I've picked the oldest one, and now it's ok
[17:48] <Pod15> Have been told I must installed AV on my work Ubuntu laptop :( needs to autoscan etc, any suggestions?
[17:48] <blackflow> yahn: yup
[17:48] <TJ-> someone235: sounds like you've lost the vt.handoff= from the kernel's command-line.
[17:48] <EriC^^> someone235: oh ok, cool
[17:48] <EriC^^> someone235: check what TJ- said, also maybe update the initramfs
[17:48] <yahn> someone235, good to hear :) Sorry I couldn't help more
[17:49] <someone235> yahn, EriC^^ at least it works, but the graphics is still shitty
[17:49] <yahn> someone235, in what way?
[17:49] <TJ-> someone235: in normal situations Plymouth - the splash screen manager- is responsible for reading keyboard input. vt.handoff= and having "splash"  on the command-line are needed to make it behave itself
[17:50] <alvin11> mah
[17:50] <Chicken_Wrap> I'll be back in an hour or so. Goodbye.
[17:50] <alvin11> se ciao
[17:51] <someone235> TJ-, but it was ok before I've installed the driver
[17:51] <yahn> Pod15, running AV on Linux isn't required
[17:52] <alvin11> oooooooooooo là
[17:52] <Pod15> Yahn, I know but a formal security assessment by a national accredited is insisting!!!
[17:52] <alvin11> terun!
[17:53] <someone235_> yahn, I don't pictures smooth. I see pixels in movies, etc
[17:53] <alvin11> lol
[17:53] <alvin11> you have to use windows :)
[17:53] <TJ-> someone235: you've changed the underlying framebuffer driver; that is going to affect how Plymouth draws the 'splash'
[17:55] <someone235_> TJ-, Is it possible that the driver is being activated only for 4.2.0-23? Because when I use 4.2.0-16 everything is ok
[17:55] <yahn> someone235, when you open up 'additional drivers' what driver is in use?
[17:55] <alvin11> uhm
[17:56] <Frenzy42> hey
[17:56] <alvin11> minchia
[17:56] <alvin11> 3 pasticche
[17:56] <EriC^^> alvin11: are you ordering food?
[17:56] <TJ-> someone235_: it depends if the driver was built by DKMS for all kernel versions. you can check that with "dkms status"
[17:56] <alvin11> yes :)
[17:56] <EriC^^> alvin11: put me down for a pasticche too ;)
[17:57] <alvin11> ok
[17:57] <alvin11> lol
[17:57] <diggernick> hi what is a good evernote replacement for ubuntu?
[17:57] <Frenzy42> I have a problem with my Kubuntu 14.04, (Dell E7440 Latitude + Dell E-Port Plus II + Dual Monitors + Kubuntu 14.04 (https://01.org/comment/reply/2785))
[17:57] <Frenzy42> My problem here : http://fr.textsave.org/w4Pb
[17:57] <someone235_> TJ-, yahn nvidia binary driver v352.63 from nvidia-352
[17:58] <someone235_> TJ-, yahn I have also an option to choose nvidia-352-updates
[17:58] <HarryHallman> whats the most popular ipsec vpn server?
[17:59] <yahn> Pod15, ClamAV is probably the most popular AV suite for Ubuntu. It's free & open source but I don't think it autoscans without setting a cronjob.
[17:59] <TJ-> HarryHallman: we don't keep popularity counts, but strongswan is very well known and used widely
[17:59] <yahn> Pod15, there's also Bitdefender -> http://unices.bitdefender.com/downloads/ and Eset NOD32 for Linux -> http://www.eset.com/me/home/products/antivirus-linux/
[17:59] <HarryHallman> TJ-, ok thanks
[18:00] <yahn> Pod15, bear in mind that I haven't used any of those products so I can't vouch for them. In the past when I used Windows I used to use NOD32 sometimes and found it decent.
[18:00] <yahn> someone235, is this an optimus system? Hybrid Intel/Nvidia
[18:01] <someone235_> yahn, how can I check this?
[18:01] <yahn> someone235, is it a laptop?
[18:02] <someone235_> yahn, yes, asus g752vt
[18:02] <yahn> someone235, aaah I see. So you're probably encountering screen tearing right?
[18:03] <someone235_> yahn, I don't think so
[18:04] <someone235_> yahn, just pixelize frames and images
[18:04] <gorgolath> hi,i need help for the best driver for a usb audio interface from beringer uca202 ,thanks in advance for your help
[18:04] <alvin11> :)
[18:05] <huehue> hi guys
[18:05] <OerHeks> gorgolath, doesn't it work OOTB?
[18:05] <yahn> someone235, try something for me. Open up nvidia settings (dash -> nvidia), go to PRIME profiles and select Intel (power saving mode). Log out and log back in again and tell me if the graphical distortion is gone
[18:05] <OerHeks> gorgolath, what lspci ID or lsusb ID is this?
[18:07] <huehue> how copy ubuntu disk content include hidden and symbolic link file?
[18:07] <gorgolath> it does not work ,i have taste it with win and the hardware is ok ,maby i got to check with alsa
[18:07] <yahn> gorgolath, this thread on the ubuntu forums might help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2220701
[18:07] <OerHeks> gorgolath, nvm, i found Behringer UCA202 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/UsbAudioDevices
[18:08] <Pod15> Thanks yahn much appreciated
[18:08] <yahn> Pod15, good luck :)
[18:08] <gorgolath> thank a lot ,now i will check this links
[18:08] <OerHeks> i think you need to set it in your sound setting
[18:09] <huehue> yahn: help here!
[18:09] <huehue> :-)
[18:09] <alvin11> gigi d'alessio is back
[18:09] <someone235_> yahn, I don't see this option: http://i.imgur.com/gkcGoVv.png
[18:10] <huehue> how copy ubuntu disk content include hidden and symbolic link file?
[18:10] <alvin11> a mò
[18:11] <yahn> someone, can you run 'optirun nvidia-settings' from a terminal and see if that displays more options in nvidia-settings?
[18:11] <nicomachus> huehue: rsync?
[18:12] <huehue> nicomachus: how?
[18:12] <nicomachus> !rsync | huehue
[18:12] <yahn> someone235, sorry I didn't tag your name properly when I wrote that
[18:12] <huehue> nicomachus: i need extract content of iso  to folder
[18:12] <nicomachus> yahn: FYI, you can type the first few letters and then
[18:13] <nicomachus> hit tab to auto-complete
[18:13] <someone235_> yahn, I didn't had Bumblebee. Do you think installing it could solve the problem?
[18:13] <yahn> nicomachus, yeah tab complete, I forgot to hit it :P
[18:13] <huehue> nicomachus: hidden and symbolic no go
[18:13] <diggernick> i can't find everpad in the ubuntu software center then i googled it and i couldn't install it in the terminal
[18:13] <diggernick> i get this error
[18:13] <diggernick> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[18:13] <EriC^^> !info everpad
[18:13] <diggernick> sudo apt-get install everpad Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package everpad
[18:14] <EriC^^> diggernick: maybe it's an old repo
[18:14] <nicomachus> diggernick: http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2014/04/install-evernote-client-ubuntu-1404/
[18:14] <yahn> someone235, ok so I've just checked your system out and it appears it doesn't use optimus at all. Just has a dedicated nvidia card. That's a good thing because optimus sucks on linux at the moment.
[18:15] <diggernick> nicomachus: i did exactly that
[18:16] <nicomachus> diggernick: what version of ubuntu are you on?
[18:16] <yahn> someone235, so no bumblebee required. Since your card is so new I would suggest adding this ppa: https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa and installing the latest nvidia driver (358).
[18:16] <diggernick> 15.10
[18:16] <OerHeks> diggernick, oh, that ppa has no everpad candidate for 15.10
[18:16] <diggernick> lsb_release -a No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID:	Ubuntu Description:	Ubuntu 15.10 Release:	15.10 Codename:	wily
[18:16] <OerHeks> https://launchpad.net/~nvbn-rm/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[18:17] <yahn> someone235, that's an official ppa maintained by canonical employees btw so it's safe to use. Once the PPA is added and you've run sudo-apt-get update the newer drivers should appear in the addtional drivers program. Install, reboot and try the original kernel you were trying to use
[18:17] <yahn> someone235, if you need any help adding the ppa and updating just tell me
[18:17] <someone235_> yahn, Do I need to remove 352 first?
[18:17] <yahn> someone235, I don't think so, just select the newer driver when the ppa is added
[18:18] <Frenzy42_> I have a problem with my Kubuntu 14.04, (Dell E7440 Latitude + Dell E-Port Plus II + Dual Monitors + Kubuntu 14.04 (https://01.org/comment/reply/2785))
[18:18] <Frenzy42_> My problem here : http://fr.textsave.org/w4Pb
[18:18] <OerHeks> someone235_, read the notes on that ppa page too! i would not use 358
[18:18] <OerHeks> someone235_, carefull, use at your own risc, even it is an official ppa
[18:19] <yahn> someone235_, OerHeks is right. Perhaps the 355 driver would be better.
[18:19] <yahn> sorry I should have read the updated notes
[18:19] <diggernick> OerHeks: what is all that?
[18:20] <someone235_> yahn, OerHeks ok, trying 355
[18:20] <OerHeks> diggernick, that ppa has no 15.10 wily software, so no everpad
[18:20] <diggernick> :(
[18:20] <diggernick> is there something similar?
[18:21] <OerHeks> tons of notepad apps, i am not familiar with everpad ( never heard about it too)
[18:21] <diggernick> what is a good one that you use to take notes for lessons and classes?
[18:21] <yahn> diggernick, it looks like you can still install everpad. Details here: https://github.com/nvbn/everpad/issues/482
[18:21] <al2o3-cr> OerHeks: take a look at the name carefully diggernick
[18:21] <diggernick> al2o3-cr: what name?
[18:21] <someone235_> yahn, do you know what key would usually prompt the GRUB menu? I don't see it unless there's a problem
[18:22] <OerHeks> someone235_, hold shift @ boot
[18:22] <someone235_> thx
[18:22] <someone235_> ok rebooting, let's pray
[18:22] <yahn> someone235_, fingers crossed
[18:23] <Frenzy42> noob
[18:25] <someone235> Frenzy42, saw that :)
[18:26] <yahn> diggernick, springseed is a nice note taking application for Ubuntu: http://getspringseed.com/
[18:26] <diggernick> thanks yahn
[18:26] <diggernick> :)
[18:27] <yahn> diggernick, and another one is rednotebook :http://rednotebook.sourceforge.net/
[18:27] <yahn> someone235_, any luck?
[18:27] <someone235> yahn, nop
[18:28] <yahn> someone235, so what is happening now? Newer kernel doesn't work and the older kernel is still giving you graphical issues?
[18:28] <someone235> yahn, Newer still has the Plymouth issue
[18:29] <someone235> yahn, older get stuck at "Loading initial ramdisk..."
[18:29] <yahn> someone235_, hmmm something definitely isn't right
[18:29] <PauloHneves> how to disable the guest account on ubuntu 14.04 LTS
[18:30] <yahn> someone235_, would it be possible to test just a regular Ubuntu 14.04 LTS release? No ppa, just stock standard 352 drivers
[18:31] <TJ-> someone235: I believe your issues are less about the driver, and more about the boot-config and Plymouth specfically. We've seen this issue before.
[18:31] <TJ-> someone235: what does "cat /proc/cmdline" report?
[18:31] <someone235> TJ-, the problem is that now i can't boot
[18:31] <OerHeks> PauloHneves, "sudo nano /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/50-ubuntu.conf and add allow-guest=false "  >>> http://askubuntu.com/questions/451526/removing-guest-session-at-login-in-ubuntu-14-04
[18:32] <someone235> TJ-, do you think I can fix the Plymouth thing from liveusb?
[18:33] <jeffreylevesque_> if i create systemd 'cool.service`, and my linux distro has `/etc/systemd/` directory, will my systemd service run properly if i create a directory `/etc/systemd/vagrant/`, and place the service in there?
[18:34] <daftykins> what distro...
[18:35] <someone235> TJ-, I've succeed to boot from recovery mode. In what file I need to change vt.handoff ?
[18:36] <yahn> someone235, sorry I couldn't help more :/
[18:37] <someone235> yahn, thank you anyway :) Just why do you think downgrade to LTS would help?
[18:37] <TJ-> someone235: check /et/default/grub and its GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT
[18:38] <TJ-> someone235: also check GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX
[18:38] <TJ-> someone235: but the actual values *used at boot time* are in /boot/grub/grub.cfg  (/et/default/grub is the confoguration that 'update-grub' reads when it generates /boot/grub/grub.cfg)
[18:39] <yahn> someone235, in my experience the non-lts ubuntu releases are buggier.
[18:41] <someone235_> TJ-, GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
[18:41] <someone235_> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=""
[18:42] <someone235_> TJ-,
[18:42] <someone235_> function gfxmode {
[18:42] <someone235_>         set gfxpayload="${1}"
[18:42] <someone235_>         if [ "${1}" = "keep" ]; then
[18:42] <someone235_>                 set vt_handoff=vt.handoff=7
[18:42] <someone235_>         else
[18:42] <OerHeks> !paste
[18:43] <someone235_> Sorry, I thought it's short enough
[18:44] <someone235_> TJ-, http://pastie.org/private/ioeuhvdlwlfnbfevrdbvq
[18:45] <yahn> someone235_, adding 'nomodeset' might enable you to login with the older kernel
[18:45] <yahn> to grub I mean
[18:46] <yahn> anyway, it's extremely late & I've got to sleep
[18:46] <yahn> good luck!
[18:47] <someone235_> yahn, at /etc/default/grub?
[18:47] <OerHeks> !nomodeset
[18:48] <someone235_> OerHeks, Like this "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash nomodeset"?
[18:49] <yahn> someone235_, exactly right
[18:49] <someone235_> yahn, thx for the help. GN
[18:49] <yahn> ciao :)
[18:49] <Chicken_Wrap> Hello.
[18:53] <someone235> TJ-, adding nodemodeset doesn't seem to help
[18:55] <diegoaguilar> Hello, is this a proper cronjob for runnin a task each 1st day of the month at 10:00?
[18:55] <diegoaguilar> '0 10 1 * *'
[18:56] <OerHeks> diegoaguilar, easy to check yourself >> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto
[18:56] <OerHeks> minute (0-59), hour (0-23, 0 = midnight), day (1-31), month (1-12), weekday (0-6, 0 = Sunday), command
[18:59] <nilekada> Hi people. I'd like an Ubuntu version recommendation. I got one of the Dell Laptops that runs Ubuntu by default. It's currently running 12.04 LTS and I'd like to upgrade it. The specs are Dell Inspiron 3542; Intel Core i3-4005 CPU @ 1.70GHz x 4
[19:00] <OerHeks> nilekada, looks like ubuntu is perfect
[19:00] <nilekada> Just want to be sure that 15.10 LTS will work on it without issues
[19:00] <nilekada> OerHeks, yeah. I'm real glad to have it. Just don't want to run into those infamous issues of installing and things stop working for no reason at all
[19:00] <OerHeks> nilekada, oh, easy to find out, download iso, put it on usb and boot in live mode. AFAIK it should work fine.
[19:01] <llldino> nilekada, 15.10 isn't an LTS version I believe, 14.10 is
[19:01] <OerHeks> 14.04 LTS *
[19:01] <llldino> nilekada, Both 15.10 and 14.04 should work fine though
[19:01] <nilekada> llldino, thanks for the clarification
[19:01] <llldino> Yeah, thanks
[19:01] <OerHeks> next 15.04 will be LTS too
[19:01] <docmur> Is it possible to use UFW to allow outgoing data on a port to a single ip?  I know how to do it for incoming from
[19:01] <zerooneone> I have a problem with a library. I'd like to remove just one link from ld.so.cache, but I'm not sure how to do it. The last one: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14431966/
[19:01] <OerHeks> err 16.04
[19:01] <nilekada> Okay. Thanks. Wanted to get the very latest iso to stick on it
[19:02] <zerooneone> I tried running ldconfig, but it doesn't update the links. I'm not sure where it's getting the last one from
[19:02] <llldino> nilekada, The LTS releases tend to be more stable while the yearly releases offer more recent package updates, just pick your poison
[19:03] <zerooneone> Would it be possible to just delete the cache and rerun ldconfig??
[19:09] <nilekada> llldino, I like your phrasing
[19:10] <llldino> nilekada, Thanks :D
[19:10] <nilekada> Will probably go for LTS. The laptop is used mostly by non-technical folks ;)
[19:10] <llldino> nilekada, Yeah I ended up putting LTS on mom's laptop because I was sick of upgrading it every 10 mos
[19:10] <Chicken_Wrap> How will that change anything, nilekada?
[19:11] <nilekada> Chicken_Wrap, well LTS offers a better upgrade path IMO than going with 15.10
[19:12] <nilekada> For which I think you'd need a bit of hacking to get right
[19:12] <nilekada> And they'll be doing the install by themselves; I won't be there with them
[19:13] <nilekada> So I'd rather it is as straightforward as possible :D
[19:14] <hankpete> hey folks, i'm trying to set up an ubuntu server in a VM but i keep getting permisson denied when I try to ssh into it. any help is much appreciated
[19:14] <nacc> hankpete: are you trying to ssh in as root?
[19:14] <hankpete> no. just my user
[19:14] <nacc> hankpete: that's disabled by default in Ubuntu's sshd_config
[19:14] <nacc> hankpete: did you install openssh-server in the VM?
[19:15] <hankpete> nacc: ya i installed it during the installation
[19:15] <nacc> hankpete: can you pastebin the output?
[19:16] <hankpete> nacc output of what?
[19:16] <hankpete> ssh -v?
[19:17] <maxkrivich> hey
[19:18] <Chicken_Wrap> Or better yet, ssh -vvv. :^)
[19:19] <nacc> hankpete: yeah, of ssh'ing in, ideally with verbosity
[19:19] <nacc> but it'd be good to see what the exact error is
[19:20] <hankpete> http://pastebin.com/0VS4wmVD
[19:20] <nicomachus> you can also check "journalctl -u sshd | tail -100"
[19:23] <nacc> hankpete: I don't see a permission denied message?
[19:23] <nacc> hankpete: i see it trying ssh keys (none of which are present) and then saying it's about to try password
[19:23] <hankpete> nicomachus, no messages
[19:23] <hankpete> nacc: woops lol one sec
[19:23] <sgtnasty> try "journalctl -u ssh | tail -100"
[19:24] <hankpete> http://pastebin.com/uwYJNDw9
[19:24] <hankpete> sgtnasty: nothing
[19:25] <nacc> hankpete: you sure it's the right password? :)
[19:25] <hankpete> nacc: lol yes... tried so many times
[19:26] <nacc> hankpete: next step, presuming you have access to the VM's console, is to login there, and make sure it works and see as root in the VM what hte ssh server's logs say, I'd think
[19:26] <nacc> hankpete: you might also have tripped faillog if that's present and used for ssh (or its equivalent)
[19:27] <hankpete> ok i can do that
[19:28] <hankpete> idk nacc, im reading auth.log and stuff but im not sure what to make of it
[19:29] <hankpete> fail log is just a bunch of symbols
[19:30] <nacc> hankpete: you should see something based upon your current host's IP indicating the login attempt
[19:30] <nacc> hankpete: also, you're sure you have the VM's IP right?
[19:30] <hankpete> hmmm
[19:30] <nacc> hankpete: <IP_ADDRESS> is usually a loopback IP, i think
[19:30] <hankpete> nacc: yes I set it up in the VM's network settings
[19:31] <nacc> hankpete: wait ... that's the loopback for the VM, I think
[19:31] <nacc> hankpete: what are you using for the VM? libvirt?
[19:31] <hankpete> virtualbox
[19:32] <nacc> hankpete: from the VM, can you do a `ifconfig -a` and pastebin it?
[19:33] <hankpete> idk how to copy paste a vm, what info do u need?
[19:34] <nacc> hankpete: what interfaces do you see?
[19:34] <nicomachus> hankpete: you can "sudo apt-get install pastebinit" and then just pipe all the commands to "| pastebinit" to auto-pastebin, then just type the link here.
[19:34] <nicomachus> i.e. "ifconfig -a | pastebinit"
[19:35] <hankpete> enp0s3 at <IP_ADDRESS> and lo at <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:35] <hankpete> ohh ok i''ll try
[19:36] <hankpete> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14432214
[19:37] <nacc> hankpete: right, so you should be ssh'ing to <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:37] <hankpete> ok lemme try
[19:37] <nacc> hankpete: right now, you're attempting to ssh into yourself (the host) over the loopback interface, and probably typing a password for your VM, which doesn't apply to the same accountname on the host
[19:38] <hankpete> nacc: it is just hanging
[19:39] <nacc> hankpete: the above ifaces are from your VM, right? not the host
[19:39] <hankpete> correct nacc
[19:39] <nacc> hankpete: sorry, i need to run, but it's an issue of using the right IP, etc. afaict -- i'm sure someone else will be able to pick it up from here
[19:40] <hankpete> thank you so much nacc!
[19:40] <nacc> hankpete: gl!
[19:43] <MrMart> Hello! I want to create a ssh tunnel for which a port on my computer is publicily availble from a computer in a other city, any recommendations?
[19:44] <llldino> MrMart, This is a good start: http://askubuntu.com/questions/2271/how-to-harden-an-ssh-server
[19:45] <MrMart>  llldino: Do you mean setting up a key?
[19:46] <jc> Looking for some assistance with Ubuntu server
[19:46] <jc> Is anybody about?
[19:46] <rom1504> no
[19:46] <an3k> hankpete: in the ubuntu installation you just have chosen "OpenSSH Server" and din't configured anything (yet)?
[19:46] <jc> Shame
[19:46] <an3k> what's the issue jc
[19:47] <llldino> MrMart, Yeah that's one recommendation
[19:47] <hankpete> an3k correct
[19:47] <jc> So I've a HP N40L. I've put Ubuntu server on the 250GB hardrive that came with it and allocated 35GB to it.
[19:48] <an3k> hankpete: where do you see the permission denied message? in the SSH terminal on the client or on the server itself?
[19:49] <jc> I've 2 x 1TB drives installed and my home was to run 3 VM's. A copy of Mint for file sharing. A windows 7 install and then Xpenology.
[19:49] <jc> hope*
[19:50] <jc> When I go to assign the drives in LV Management it appears to join the two 1TB together
[19:51] <jc> Not quite sure thats what I had in mind
[19:51] <jc> Wondering how best I should do it.
[19:51] <Chicken_Wrap> So, Xenial Xerus is available for downloading now. :^D
[19:52] <Exagone313> Hi, how can I choose the default interface for internet? I want to separate IPv4 and IPv6 and default to IPv4 (but still allow listening on IPv6). Thanks for your help.
[19:52] <an3k> jc: depends on how you want to use both 1 TB disks. Do you just want to join them together (two single disks looking like one) or do you want to join both by using RAID0 (increased performance)?
[19:53] <jc> I'd like some form of backup.
[19:54] <an3k> ok, then you have to use RAID1 but that means you'll only have 1 TB available
[19:54] <jc> My intention is to actually buy 2 x 3t Reds but I havent got that far.
[19:54] <jc> Maybe you could answer another question.
[19:54] <jc> ?
[19:54] <an3k> sure
[19:55] <daftykins> and now, presumably another ;)
[19:55] <an3k> haha
[19:55] <jc> Probably a few. :)
[19:57] <jc> What I am trying to do is basically have Ubuntu Server, Mint, Xpenology and Windows all on the one machine and have them accessible. I initially installed ESXi but I struggled to get access to the two 1tb drives.
[19:58] <daftykins> why such a hodge-podge setup on a single host?
[19:58] <jc> Ha! Well that's a very good question. I'd been reading about ESXi and wanted to tinker.
[19:59] <jc> I wanted windows access. Linus and I'm keen to run Xpenology. I did also look at Openmediavault
[19:59] <an3k> I could help you with ESXi. I had that running :)
[19:59] <jc> linux
[19:59] <daftykins> jc: this is all bordering on chat, vmware is not on topic here - you can take chat to #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:00] <daftykins> only support queries relating to the use of *buntu are relevant in this channel
[20:00] <jc> Sorry. I'll go back to Ubuntu
[20:01] <MrMart> llldino: I already have keys setup so I wonder what the command would look like
[20:01] <jc> Basically I followed this tutorial. http://linuxhomeserverguide.com/
[20:01] <diggernick> anyone know javascript?
[20:01] <jc> Which runs Ubuntu Server
[20:01] <ikonia> jc: did you ever think about using official ubuntu docs ?
[20:01] <llldino> MrMart, Command to do what?
[20:02] <jc> And he installs the different programs as VMs
[20:02] <ikonia> jc: what do you actually want to do ?
[20:02] <ikonia> win 14
[20:02] <rishus23> what then?
[20:02] <jc> Yes I've looked through them but I was struggling with the LVM partitioning
[20:02] <an3k> jc: If you want a single machine to run different operating system you really should go with VMs (can be Linux, VMWare, etc.)
[20:03] <ikonia> jc: what is your end goal, what do you want this box to do ?
[20:03] <an3k> jc: don't use LVM that actual crap
[20:03] <rishus23> or dual boot..
[20:03] <ikonia> LVM is solid, don't be put off by it, but use what works best for your needs
[20:03] <jc> LVM is what the guide showed.
[20:03] <ikonia> jc: ok - forget that guide
[20:03] <an3k> ikonia: like a RAID10 on two HDDs? :)
[20:04] <ikonia> jc: whats the end goal of your machine
[20:04] <an3k> jc: If you want to have all the different OS running at the same time I strongly advise Virtual Machines (ESXi)
[20:04] <daftykins> an3k: that's what has been said.
[20:04] <daftykins> (to be in use)
[20:05] <MrMart> llldino: To create a ssh tunnel between two computers
[20:05] <jc> I'm causing trouble here and drifting away from Ubuntu.
[20:05] <ikonia> jc: whats the end goal of your machine
[20:05] <ikonia> jc: what do you want it to do ?
[20:05] <an3k> jc we can do query for ESXi if you want
[20:06] <llldino> MrMart, Provided you have sshd on your host computer, it would be generically "ssh user@hostip"
[20:06] <jc> I'd like it to run Linux, Windows and I was thinking of Xpenology as I like the remote apps.
[20:06] <daftykins> sounds more like a mess about lab setup, right jc? so yeah nothing is relevant to OS support right now.
[20:06] <daftykins> !alis | jc find a relevant channel to ESX
[20:06] <an3k> wow daftykins ... slow down a bit
[20:07] <daftykins> slow down? you keep up :)
[20:07] <ikonia> jc: I'd very much ignore that guide, the person writing it does not really appear to have a solid grasp on a lot of things
[20:07] <jc> Well the route I have taken thus far is installing Ubuntu Server and hence why I am here
[20:07] <alvin11> ahaha
[20:07] <daftykins> waiting for you to ask an actual ubuntu support question then jc  - however #ubuntu-server also exists
[20:08] <ikonia> jc: whats the boxes function, what do you want it to do ?
[20:08] <an3k> daftykins: he did and now we're in the process of determining if running VMs on Ubuntu is good enough or if it's better for jc to run a real Hypervisior
[20:08] <daftykins> we've been told multiple times, it's a little test lab setup by the sounds
[20:08] <ikonia> it does'nt look like that
[20:09] <daftykins> an3k: you mean despite the fact we've been told it runs ESXi?
[20:09] <ikonia> it looks like he's following that roapy home server guide
[20:09] <ikonia> he's running ubuntu
[20:09] <jc> I'm running Ubuntu
[20:09] <jc> Server
[20:09] <ikonia> jc: ok - so lets get some facts, what is the purpose of this machine
[20:09] <an3k> jc: join #ubuntu-server
[20:09] <jc> I tried ESXi and stumbled upon that website which is apparently wrong
[20:11] <jc> So I'd like it to store all my pictures, films and music and have them available to the house. I'd also like to play about with Linux. It also needs to have windows available. Finally I would like Xpenology as I utilise the remote apps on my iphone.
[20:12] <ikonia> jc: why does it need to have windows available
[20:12] <ikonia> jc: what remote apps on your iphone do you want to use ?
[20:12] <an3k> jc: what color is your underwear of?
[20:12] <jc> Music and Videos or DS Audio and DS Video as its called. Unless there are other options.
[20:12] <ikonia> an3k: stop messing around
[20:13] <jc> Remote backup of my pictures would be nice
[20:13] <jc> I see I'm getting so rare praise in here!
[20:13] <an3k> ikonia: then please stop overtaking discussions and interfering or asking useless questions
[20:13] <jc> some*
[20:13] <ikonia> an3k: finding out what someone needs is not useless, it'e pretty key
[20:13] <ikonia> jc: do you have any idea of what linux apps will respond to your iphone apps, have you done any of that research
[20:14] <daftykins> once we know a proper goal we can advise better, an3k relax.
[20:14] <an3k> ikonia: yeah but you still didn't ask a much more important questions: do all these OS has to be run AT THE SAME TIME?
[20:14] <ikonia> an3k: he doesn't need any OS's at the moment,
[20:14] <alvin11> pufferbacco
[20:14] <ikonia> lets find out what he needs, he may need nothing
[20:15] <jc> I haven't been able to find anything similar to those offered by Synology aside from Tonido and I believe Plex
[20:16] <alvin11> goccio di caccz
[20:16] <ikonia> jc: ok, so you're still at the investigation stage
[20:16] <ikonia> jc: why do you need windows ?
[20:16] <daftykins> synology is a NAS...
[20:16] <ikonia> right,
[20:16] <ikonia> which if he has an ubuntu file server, hopefully wouldn't be needed
[20:16] <ikonia> unless there is a specific usecase
[20:17] <an3k> synology is a NAS? I thought it's a company
[20:17] <jc> As long as I can get remote access to the files. I can remotely upload and download things then I'll be happy.
[20:17] <ikonia> jc: ok, so I'm getting an idea of what you want, but not huge detail
[20:18] <ikonia> jc: can I suggest I give you a few things to look into, see if they meet your needs, and then we can then talk about how to best set them up
[20:18] <daftykins> an3k: now you're just trolling and presenting a pathetic attitude, grow up and get back on target.
[20:18] <egonsen> hi! i am using ubuntu 15.04. i have to configure the display settings every startup of the system because ubuntu does not remember that i want to show the screen only on my tv if it is plugged in via hdmi and that i want to permanently disable a display called "unknown display" which is causing graphical artifacts when enabled. how can i get ubuntu to save my display settings?
[20:18] <jc> That sounds like a plan. Apologies for the hassle. I appear to be causing a lot of stress!
[20:19] <ikonia> jc: zero hassle and zero stress
[20:19] <ikonia> jc: I'm reasonably confident from the small snippets I'm getting youcan do pretty much most of what you want with a simple ubuntu install
[20:19] <an3k> And I know that you can NOT
[20:19] <ikonia> jc: so lets make a few assumptions, you don't need a specific nas distro running, you just want a way to share and manage your disk devices on your network, is that a fair statement ?
[20:21] <jc> Yes I would say so. So long as everything is backed up but with remote access.
[20:21] <ikonia> jc: could you define what you mean by remote access ?
[20:21] <ikonia> or what you're expecting
[20:21] <ioria> jc  to share a folder with movies and stuff you just need samba or remote mount  a partition ....
[20:22] <jc> Well I'd like to upload my pictures remotely from my phone. Have remote access to my music and videos plus some files.
[20:22] <ikonia> jc: ok - got it
[20:22] <an3k> jc: go with Plex. You can do all of that with it
[20:22] <ikonia> jc: how many disks does this machine have ?
[20:23] <an3k> ikonia: as he already said: 2
[20:23] <daftykins> egonsen: well, maybe things will change in 15.10 - since 15.04 only has 3 weeks left :)
[20:23] <ikonia> I've not seen that, it doesn't hurt to confirm
[20:23] <an3k> ikonia: currently 2x 1TB but sooner or later 2x 3TB WD RED
[20:23] <ikonia> jc: is an3k correct in his disk statement ?
[20:24]  * OerHeks thinks 3, systemdisk and 2x1tb
[20:24] <jc> Yes exactly as an3K says.
[20:24] <ikonia> jc: when you get the new disks will they be in addition to the existing disks, or replacing the existing disks
[20:24] <jc> Well I'll have two slots free so they will be added. Its a HP N40L microserver.
[20:25] <ikonia> jc: ok, I know that box I think
[20:25] <ikonia> jc: so you could do a nice setup here
[20:25] <jc> Perfect!
[20:26] <ikonia> jc: if you created a mirrored pair with the 2x1TB disks you would have a good starting point and a fair bit of space, once you add the additoinal disks, again as a mirrored pair you can either grow that space, or use it for backup space, or variations between the 2 sets of mirrors
[20:26] <ikonia> the pain is you'll lose a disk, eg: only the capcity of 1 of the pair
[20:26] <ikonia> but the good news is, you have redundency, which if you then backup core files elsewhere, you'll have a solid base system
[20:27] <an3k> ikonia: oh god, please stop spreading false information!
[20:27] <ikonia> you can use something such as LVM to manage the disk, to allow you to add addional disks later or not, you don't have to, but you may find it easier
[20:27] <egonsen> i am using ubuntu 15.04. i have to configure the display settings every startup of the system because ubuntu does not remember that i want to show the screen only on my tv if it is plugged in via hdmi and that i want to permanently disable a display called "unknown display" which is causing graphical artifacts when enabled. how can i get ubuntu to save my display settings? is anyone else facing this issue?
[20:27] <ikonia> an3k: tell me one line of false information I've said
[20:27] <ikonia> if you can't you're gone
[20:28] <ikonia> jc: ontop of that there are a few base apps that will give you a big chunk of the functionality you want out of the box
[20:28] <ikonia> a quick example of this would be "owncloud" which will allow you pretty much the level of control you want in 1 app
[20:28] <an3k> >>>>>>>> [21:26:30] <ikonia> jc: if you created a mirrored pair with the 2x1TB disks you would have a good starting point and a fair bit of space, once you add the additoinal disks, again as a mirrored pair you can either grow that space, or use it for backup space, or variations between the 2 sets of mirrors <<<<<<<<<
[20:28] <jc> Yes I've seen that. Sorry I should have said.
[20:28] <ikonia> an3k: whats false there
[20:28] <ikonia> jc: no, no it's good that you've seen it, it's only an example suggestion though
[20:29] <ikonia> jc: from that point you can layer addition apps, or owncloud plugins (assuming you used own cloud) to expand the functionality
[20:29] <ikonia> jc: it's a pretty simple starting point, and should get you to a point where you can move forward and grow
[20:30] <ikonia> jc: it removes a lot of the complexities I was starting to see you reference earlier and from that guide
[20:30] <ikonia> jc: you'll probably find once you've got that fair you'll be more confident and doing more digging and trying things out on your own
[20:31] <an3k> ikonia: I don't think you'll understand or even accept my answer since you don't even know that jumping into an ongoing talk just in the middle of it and completely overtaking the talk is not only very rude but confuses most people.
[20:31] <ikonia> jc: that is only a suggestion though, of one possible way to get what you seem to what clean and simple
[20:32] <an3k> ikonia: so please tell how he can watch movies or listens to music using the setup you just advised?!
[20:32] <ikonia> an3k: that is part two, as I said it's a starting point
[20:32] <ikonia> he can layer media apps ontop of that
[20:32] <ikonia> as iphone app was a key function, a good example is owncloud that has a good app to manage/move data around,
[20:33] <zerooneone> I believe I have a self-referential ld link in /lib. The file does not exist and yet the file also exists. I have summarized here http://paste.ubuntu.com/14432537/
[20:33] <zerooneone> How is this even possible?
[20:33] <ikonia> jc: get the idea ?
[20:34] <an3k> ikonia oh, ok. I didn't knew you're going to make a three day tutorial out of this ...
[20:34] <jc> yes I can give that a whirl.
[20:34] <jc> :)
[20:34] <zerooneone> And how do I solve this issue without having to reinstall? It's causing a whold bunch of issues that I won't be able to inore for long
[20:34] <ikonia> jc: if you want to talk about the specifics of it, just ask, or use #ubuntu-server channel,
[20:35] <ikonia> jc: keep in mind you may have to ask before trying things, or accept you may have to rebuild to get it "right" if this is your first time
[20:36] <jc> Ok that'll work. :)
[20:36] <zerooneone> # rm /lib/libcidn-2.19b.0.so >>> rm: cannot remove '/lib/libcidn-2.19b.0.so': No such file or directory
[20:36] <zerooneone> # ln -s /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcidn-2.19.so /lib/libcidn-2.19b.0.so >>> ln: failed to create symbolic link '/lib/libcidn-2.19b.0.so': File exists
[20:36] <uxfi> hey
[20:36] <zerooneone> WTF
[20:36] <uxfi> is Ubuntu good to be used as a VPS? for a web server/website?
[20:36] <jc> Just before I go what other apps will be available to me later for music and films?
[20:36] <llldino> zerooneone, That's strange S:
[20:37] <zerooneone> llldino: thank you. i thought i was losing it here
[20:37] <llldino> zerooneone, Restart the system and try again perhaps?
[20:37] <llldino> zerooneone, I'm wondering if i'm losing it now
[20:37] <ikonia> jc: ok, so you can look at things such as plex, myth, you could look at the itunes airplay clone service (I can't remember it's name)
[20:38] <zerooneone> llldino: there are problems with initramfs now so i'm not sure it will com back after a reboot. and the machine could be in outer space for all i know
[20:39] <zerooneone> llldino: my woes detailed here http://paste.ubuntu.com/14432537/
[20:39] <jc> Okay thanks. That all sounds hunky dorey!
[20:40] <ikonia> jc: keep in mind - it's not "the solution" it's "a" solution
[20:40] <llldino> zerooneone, Gotta love that huh. I'm thinking if you clear a cache somewhere it might let you create the symlink but I'm just guessing here, this is a little over my head
[20:40] <ikonia> jc: so you can vary it to lock into your needs better
[20:41] <zerooneone> i could rebuild /lib but i'm pretty sure i need some stuff in /lib in order to do pretty much anything
[20:42] <jumja> hi, my ubuntu 15.10 suddenly stops playing sounds, i guess it changes the normal output to this spdif thing...
[20:42] <TJ-> zerooneone: what package brought "libcidn-2.19b.0.so" ( I don't find the 'b' suffix listed in the package lists)
[20:42] <jumja> can someone help me
[20:42] <jumja> i tried to use the volumen manager in the tray
[20:42] <jumja> but that does not help
[20:42] <llldino> zerooneone, Maybe try "sudo find /lib -name libcidn-2.19b.0.so"
[20:42] <zerooneone> TJ-: i don't know. I think some ruby source build
[20:42] <llldino> Ahh, no need for sudo
[20:43] <zerooneone> llldino: nope nothing
[20:43] <TJ-> zerooneone: I suspect whatever did, may also have added paths to the ldconfig, or else it is under /usr/local/lib/
[20:43] <[Saint]> jumja: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure
[20:44] <llldino> zerooneone, Check if you have a link literally called "/lib/libcidn-2.19b.0.so" on your root directory?
[20:44] <llldino> I'm grasping at straws here lol
[20:44] <zerooneone> what about rebuilding /lib as /lib-new then running # mv /lib /lib-old; mv /lib-new /lib
[20:45] <llldino> zerooneone, It's worth a shot, I don't know what that will do to a live machine though
[20:45] <zerooneone> llldino: i aprreciate your suggestions, but it's not there. not anywhere, but yet it's htere
[20:45] <showaz> What is the best Java version for Ubuntu/Unity?
[20:46] <SonikkuAmerica> !best | showaz
[20:46] <lotuspsychje> !java | showaz can this help?
[20:46] <jumja> the earphones work
[20:46] <TJ-> zerooneone: might be worth checking the ld config with "cat /etc/ld.so.conf /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*"
[20:46] <zerooneone> llldino: i don't think it will be able to get to the second command
[20:46] <SonikkuAmerica> showaz: You can either install openjdk-8-jre for OpenJDK 8 (which Oracle Java is derived from) or you can install Oracle Java
[20:46] <jumja> but the sound just suddenly stops from playing trough the speakers
[20:46] <showaz> SonikkuAmerica:  JetBrains -> IDE
[20:47] <zerooneone> TJ-: tried that. removed files in ld.so.conf.d one by one and then rebuilt the cache. no luck. it's in /lib somehow
[20:47] <showaz> SonikkuAmerica: openjdk-8-jre good perf. ?
[20:48] <SonikkuAmerica> showaz: It's the open-source equivalent of Java 8, so I'd hope so
[20:48] <llldino> zerooneone, I wonder if there's a cache somewhere that ln checks to see if a file exists S:
[20:48] <zerooneone> if i had physical access i could rebuild /lib but i dont
[20:49] <zerooneone> i guess i can't edit the ld.so.cache file directly...?
[20:49] <TJ-> zerooneone: just a thought but "rm /etc/ld.so.cache" could have failed if the file has the immutable attribute set. "lsattr /etc/ld.so.cache" to check
[20:50] <zerooneone> TJ-: ---------------- /etc/ld.so.cache
[20:51] <TJ-> zerooneone: so not that.
[20:51] <TJ-> Is it Ubuntu 14.04 ?
[20:51] <zerooneone> this is the weirdest error in 15 years of using linux
[20:52] <zerooneone> i'm blaming it on someone else
[20:52] <llldino> That's quite a claim
[20:52] <lotuspsychje> zerooneone: did you mess with installing stuff the manual way?
[20:52] <zerooneone> there was some source installs of ruby, gems
[20:53] <ioria> zerooneone, did you for any chance installed a new version of libc6-dev-i386  or libc6-dev ?
[20:53] <SonikkuAmerica> I have "e" attributes in ld.so.cache (but that's it)
[20:53] <lotuspsychje> zerooneone: you added yourself with ppa?
[20:53] <zerooneone> i grepped and searched the filesystem up and down, but nothing
[20:54] <zerooneone> lotuspsychje: i'm just using trusty, trusty-updates
[20:54] <llldino> $ -------------e-- /etc/ld.so.cache  for me as well
[20:55] <zerooneone> SonikkuAmerica: what's the 'e' attribute?
[20:56] <mkander_> I have 4 web servers that all host the same web page. When I change something in the php files I want to push it out to all servers. What is the best way to do this?
[20:56] <MonkeyDust> mkander_  there's also #ubuntu-server
[20:56] <bekks> Using a shared directory containing your files.
[20:56]  * OerHeks thinks of Rsync
[20:56] <bekks> Otherwise: rsync, scp or ftp.
[20:56] <SonikkuAmerica> zerooneone: 'e' means it's a contiguous file. (for purposes of defragmentation.)
[20:57] <mmm_>  /join Ubuntu-Turkish
[20:57] <SonikkuAmerica> !tu | mmm_
[20:57] <mkander_> Thanks, Ill ask in ubuntu-server
[20:57] <SonikkuAmerica> !tr | mmm_
[20:57] <zerooneone> i might try rebuilding and moving /lib on a debian vagrant box i have kicking around
[20:57] <MonkeyDust> mkander_  and consider using vagrant (virtual box manager)
[20:58] <zerooneone> see what happens. otherwise i'm stumped here
[20:58] <zerooneone> or get some astronaut to move it for me
[20:59] <mkander_> MonkeyDust: Ok Ill look into that. I am doing this on google cloud compute engine and also want to fast scale deploying new nodes as needed
[20:59] <mkander_> But I change to ubuntu-server to ask :)
[21:01] <TJ-> zerooneone: run this to identify which is the base directory that entry is in: "ldconfig -v | awk '/^\//{P=$0} /cidn/{print P, $0}'"
[21:02] <zerooneone> TJ-: /lib:   libcidn-2.19b.0.so -> libcidn-2.19b.0.so
[21:02] <zerooneone> FFS it's the twillight zone
[21:03] <TJ-> zerooneone: is this being done in a chroot ?
[21:03] <zerooneone> no chroot
[21:03] <TJ-> zerooneone: any containers (LXC) or fakeroot stuff ?
[21:04] <zerooneone> TJ-: nope
[21:05] <Boing> Installed 14.04.3 Trusty on an  i5 HP laptop.  Getting cube that will not zoom back from the screen.  Also, set skydome, but it's not there.
[21:06] <TJ-> zerooneone: hmmm, howabout deleted but not unlinked? " sudo  sh -c 'ls -l /proc/[1-9]*/fd/*' | grep cidn "
[21:06] <Boing> I had ta go Gnome
[21:06] <lotuspsychje> Boing: cube from compiz?
[21:06] <Boing> yes
[21:06] <jc> Thanks for all your help.
[21:06] <zerooneone> TJ-: ls: cannot access /proc/31402/fd/3: No such file or directory
[21:07] <lotuspsychje> Boing: what kinf of graphics driver/driver version?
[21:07] <Boing> Intel 5500
[21:07] <oxidizer> hey. new to linux and ubuntu. just installed it and my touchpad isn't working on my laptop. can anyone help? lol
[21:07] <zerooneone> TJ-: that's a nice idea, can i delete by unlinking it or something?
[21:07] <Boing> Must be latest drivers, it's all new
[21:08] <TJ-> zerooneone: if a process still has it open, you'd need to terminate that process
[21:08] <Pinkamena_D> I had a problem with my python3.4 installation, was getting 'bus error'. A user on the python channel recommended I reinstall the package. I did this, and it fixed the bus error, but seemingly it was linked to a bunch of core unity things and now I have no unity when I boot up
[21:08] <lotuspsychje> Boing: did you reboot after cube enable?
[21:08] <Pinkamena_D> Does anyone know how to get a list of packages which were installed an hour ago?
[21:09] <zerooneone> TJ-: how would i find the proccess to terminate, and the how would i unlink ootherwise delete it??
[21:09] <Boing>  yeah well, It's running but turns like it's right on the screen
[21:10] <lotuspsychje> Pinkamena_D: dpkg log?
[21:10] <TJ-> zerooneone: if that command had reported a match on cidn you'd have had its process ID; but it didn't, so not that issue
[21:11] <Boing> used compiz on an XP Windows dual boot.  Doing it again on a Windows10 dual boot
[21:11] <zerooneone> TJ-: ok. any other suggestions?
[21:11] <blurkis> is there some texteditor that supports opening files over ssh?
[21:12] <nicomachus> blurkis: vim, ed, nano, emacs
[21:12] <blurkis> nicomachus, do nano?  hmm, then I missed something. :)
[21:13] <nicomachus> blurkis: you can always just try "xdg-open" and see what it uses also
[21:13] <Boing> lotuspsychje ?  I just need the two tweaks.
[21:14] <blurkis> nicomachus, that is, not by using sshfs, or logging in through ssh first. I just want to be able to edit files directly from either terminal or GUI and edit files on my server that has sshd installed and working.
[21:15] <lotuspsychje> Boing: not sure mate, check your syslog/dmesg for errors maybe?
[21:15] <Boing> mmm, excuse me, but there is one that opens terminals across any paths
[21:15] <lotuspsychje> Boing: im only using wobbly windows myself, didnt test cube for ages
[21:16] <Boing> There used to be Canonical people here that helped install it, compiz when it was new
[21:16] <Algebr`> how do I turn off ehci module?
[21:17] <Boing> Anywhooo this Unity desktop stuff is not user friendly, so I went on to gnome
[21:17] <lotuspsychje> Boing: if i can recall cube and unity isnt the perfect pair
[21:17] <SonikkuAmerica> Boing: GNOME 3 or MATE?
[21:18] <Boing> I think gnome2
[21:18] <k1l_> Boing: gnome 2 is no more.
[21:18] <oliver__> j
[21:18] <Boing> hm? Lemme see
[21:18] <k1l_> Boing: and gnome3 doesnt use compiz, they made mutter for that
[21:18] <MonkeyDust> blurkis  ssh -Y user@ip-address "vim"
[21:19] <oliver__> sorry anybody german?
[21:19] <MonkeyDust> !de
[21:20] <zerooneone> TJ-: msg me if you have any other suggestions, i gotta go out. thanks!
[21:20] <Boing> ahaha Ubuntu software center dark, sluggish
[21:21] <blurkis> MonkeyDust, Thanks, but its not what im looking for. I was hoping for a GUI that can open files given the location on the server using ssh.  vim/nano sort of fails, since then I could just login over ssh in the terminal anyway..
[21:21] <SonikkuAmerica> Boing: MATE is the continuation of the former GNOME 2.
[21:22] <MonkeyDust> blurkis  a GUI text editor with network options, you mean?
[21:22] <Boing> ohh 4 real ?  this is gnome fallback, and some other gnome 3 stuff
[21:23] <SonikkuAmerica> Boing: You're using the GNOME Flashback session?
[21:23] <Boing> mmhm
[21:23] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh, OK
[21:23] <docmur> I ran tiger on a Ubuntu server I'm running, that is secure, so I'm not worried about that, but what is with this warning: is disabled, but has a valid shell.  How do I get rid of it
[21:23] <SonikkuAmerica> (that is supported)
[21:23] <zonii> Ubuntu crashing alot. Why?
[21:23] <SonikkuAmerica> !details | zonii
[21:23] <Boing> unity is there too. is it ?
[21:24] <MonkeyDust> !find tiger
[21:24] <SonikkuAmerica> Boing: I wouldn't trust Compiz's advanced effects with Unity, EVER
[21:24] <hyponic> can i change the network card name from eno1 to eth0? ubuntu 15.10 fresh install
[21:24] <k1l_> Boing: unity is based on the gnome3 base. but it uses compiz
[21:24] <Boing> Ah, so.. sudoku, when use Unity with Compiz is like making twice as more.
[21:24] <Bassem> is there virtual box for ubuntu like windows to run mikrotick server on it or is there any application for ubuntu like mikrotick
[21:25] <Exagone313> Hi, how can I default my output connection to ipv4 instead of ipv6? thanks
[21:26] <MonkeyDust> Bassem  what's mikrotick?
[21:26] <llldino> Exagone313, Over ssh use the -4 option
[21:26] <lotuspsychje> SonikkuAmerica: well wobbly windows working on unity here, with installing the extras, but not sure about cube..
[21:26] <Exagone313> i'm talking about default
[21:26] <SonikkuAmerica> lotuspsychje: Lol, what do I know about a desktop I don't even use. XD
[21:26] <akik> Exagone313: edit /etc/gai.conf and its precedence line. there's an example for it
[21:27] <Boing> Zoom is missing, and so is my skydome
[21:27] <lotuspsychje> SonikkuAmerica: terminal eyecandy green on black is also nice :p
[21:27] <Exagone313> ok thanks
[21:28] <Exagone313> do I have to reboot after it or no?
[21:28] <akik> Exagone313: i don't remember. try it
[21:29] <Bassem> MonkeyDust, mikrotik it's an application work like server on PC with two LAN cards to distribute the Internet for the local network and limit it's access to services  and decide  their bandwidth for each computer on the network
[21:29] <Boing> Manual IP/DHCP for Mikritik on their own website
[21:29] <lotuspsychje> Bassem: maybe something more for the ##networking guys or #vbox?
[21:29] <Exagone313> I have issue about ipv6 (enabled but not working), and I don't know how to try then
[21:30] <akik> Exagone313: find a host that has an ipv4 and ipv6 address. then use telnet for example
[21:30] <Exagone313> well maybe it's ok thanks
[21:32] <Boing> Zoom to something more than 0 in the rotate cube plugin
[21:33] <lotuspsychje> Boing: you have other drivers showing up your additional drivers section?
[21:33] <lotuspsychje> Boing: wrong driver could also influence compiz heavy works
[21:34] <lotuspsychje> Boing: you had cube working on same card before, on other ubuntu version?
[21:35] <BlueProtoman> I'm trying to uninstall a package that I had to abort installation of, but dpkg won't let me; I get this printout.  http://pastebin.com/jmsV60me  Any thoughts?
[21:35] <Boing> no, not this. laptop is new.  XP desktop box was with ubuntu 9-- or somewhere Hardy
[21:36] <lotuspsychje> Boing: maybe cube is lil heavy for your intel card, not sure
[21:36] <Chicken_Wrap> Or better yet, http://pastebin.com/raw/jmsV60me
[21:36] <ToadMan> hi, is there a documentation or manual that shows how to release a software for POSIX systems? I mean things like INSTALL, COPYING, configure etc..
[21:37] <MonkeyDust> BlueProtoman  try   sudo aptitude purge ~c
[21:38] <BlueProtoman> MonkeyDust: Nope.  Same output.
[21:39] <MonkeyDust> !find kimchi
[21:41] <chat7668> hi
[21:41] <Boing> ty lotus   !!!!
[21:42] <MonkeyDust> BlueProtoman  ok, try this ... i found this script on this channel ... try and fix the packages, first ... then try to uninstall it again ... paste this script with any text editor, save as 'fixpackages', make executable and run ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/14432901/
[21:42] <uxfi> Hey
[21:42] <uxfi> is Ubuntu a good OS for a server?
[21:42] <MonkeyDust> uxfi  yes
[21:42] <uxfi> oh ok
[21:42] <lotuspsychje> !server | uxfi
[21:43] <MonkeyDust> uxfi  facebook and google run on ubuntu servers, iirc
[21:44] <Pici> Google uses desktop internally (or did).  Wikipedia uses Ubuntu Server as well.
[21:47] <BlueProtoman> MonkeyDust: Someone in another channel managed to help me succesfully, but thanks anyway!
[21:59] <eks_> hola
[22:00] <Saul775> When adding a user for creating a service that will run automatically (init.d), what's the de facto parameters for creating this user?
[22:02] <KaiForce> I just did an upgrade of a server from 10.10 to 14.10.3, all well.  There is a script that goes out and removes obsolete packages and kernels that I found online.  It ran fine on a test server and the test server didn't seem to be negatively affected.  Am I taking any risks in running this?  The server runs Courier/Postfix.
[22:03] <nicomachus> KaiForce: I hope you mean 14.04.3 and not 14.10
[22:03] <bekks> KaiForce: Without a backup - sure, there is a risk. Using an unofficial 3rd party script - sure, even higher risk.
[22:03] <KaiForce> nicomachus: yes, sorry, end of my workday and brain currently running 10%
[22:03] <nicomachus> :)
[22:03] <OerHeks> Saul775, that user needs sudo priv, sudo adduser --group sudo newusername >>>> http://askubuntu.com/questions/32749/how-to-create-a-user-with-root-privileges-in-bash
[22:04] <KaiForce> bekks: backup is no problem, I just don't want to run into something down the road.
[22:04] <bekks> KaiForce: So ask the author of that script :)
[22:04] <KaiForce> bekks: is there an official ubuntu script to do the same?
[22:04] <Saul775> Thank you, OerHeks.  What about the --no-create-home?  Is that usually appended to the adducer?
[22:05] <Saul775> Additionally, what about --disabled-login?  These are my only other two questions.
[22:05] <bekks> KaiForce: I wasnt in the need of a script like that, yet. :)
[22:06] <OerHeks> Saul775, If you don't wan that user to have a /home/, use that command yes
[22:06] <KaiForce> I don't technically need it either, but it would help me out with my offsite backups.
[22:07] <OerHeks> not sure about --disabled-login
[22:07] <KaiForce> nicomachus: additional, I didn't mean 10.10 either :)
[22:09] <KaiForce> Took me a week to build the upgrade procedure successfully, and first attempt at upgrading prod had to be rolled back because I missed something in sasl
[22:14] <[Mew2]> whats the command to see which ports are being listened on"?
[22:14] <KaiForce> netstat -an
[22:15] <KaiForce> probably should grep -i listen or something with that
[22:16] <[Mew2]> thank you KaiForce :)
[22:23] <akik> Saul775: usually the scripts under init.d are run by the root user. not sure what you're planning
[22:27] <Bassem> is there virtual box for ubuntu
[22:28] <OerHeks> Bassem, sure, it is available in softwarecenter
[22:29] <Bassem> OerHeks, what its name
[22:29] <OerHeks> really, you cannot find virtualbox?
[22:30] <Bassem> OerHeks, is there some thing better than virtualbox
[22:30] <bekks> Bassem: Can you find www.virtualbox.org ?
[22:31] <OerHeks> better .. dunno, there is KVM, virtualbox ..
[22:32] <coolmail33> ping timeout
[22:32] <coolmail33> ?
[22:32] <Bassem> OerHeks, im installing virtualbox now thanks alot
[22:33] <coolmail33> oh and by the way, once you get MateNu, how can you add it to panel?
[22:35] <coolmail33> How to add MateNu to panel?
[22:35] <coolmail33> +-
[22:35] <coolmail33> +
[22:35] <coolmail33> -+
[22:35] <coolmail33> -
[22:35] <coolmail33> +
[22:37] <coolmail33> There we go?
[22:37] <coolmail33> yay!
[22:37] <coolmail33> hello?
[22:37] <nicomachus> hello
[22:38] <coolmail33> How do I add MATEnu to panel?
[22:38] <nicomachus> Yes I saw your question. Be patient and if someone knows, they will help you.
[22:38] <coolmail33> ++
[22:39] <slidinghorn> coolmail33: it would be helpful for us to know which version & flavor of *buntu you're using.  In the mean time, please stop spamming the channel with random characters & quickly repeating yourself.  Patience is important here
[22:39] <coolmail33> Ubuntu MATE 15.10
[22:39] <jwash> does anyone here use mame? what is a good rom checker and GUI frontend in Ubuntu 14.10?
[22:40] <nicomachus> jwash: 14.10 is EOL. You need to upgrade.
[22:40] <nicomachus> !EOL | jwash
[22:41] <jwash> ok nicomachus, can anyone recommend a good mame frontend and rom checker?
[22:41] <nicomachus> you won't find any for 14.10.
[22:41] <jwash> how about 15.10?
[22:41] <jwash> give me a reason to try it again
[22:42] <jwash> last time i upgraded everthing broke and i went back\
[22:42] <OerHeks> there seems to be more than one >> http://www.koenigs.dk/mame/eng/mamefrontends.htm but you need to upgrade first to an supported version
[22:43] <jwash> how do you check Ubuntu version again?
[22:43] <jwash> from the command line
[22:43] <nicomachus> lsb_release -a
[22:44] <jwash> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[22:44] <jwash> Description:	Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS
[22:44] <jwash> Release:	14.04
[22:44] <jwash> sorry, 14.04
[22:44] <OerHeks> nice, 14.04 LTS
[22:44] <jwash> anyway, no mame frontends except for the gnome one
[22:45] <jwash> it sucks
[22:45] <nicomachus> there are quite a few...
[22:45] <jwash> and no rom checker
[22:45] <coolmail33> unless you use wine?
[22:45] <coolmail33> winehq
[22:45] <jwash> does it work in wine?
[22:45] <jwash> i use wine for steam
[22:45] <jwash> all the time
[22:46] <nicomachus> there is a native Steam client now, just FYI.
[22:46] <jwash> not for The Pinball Arcade
[22:46] <nicomachus> QMC2 is a perfeclty fine MAME frontend.
[22:46] <jwash> it's only available in Windoze
[22:47] <nicomachus> and what do you mean by "rom checker"?
[22:47] <jwash> checks rom library for completeness
[22:47] <nicomachus> can you not do an md5 checksum on the rom?
[22:48] <jwash> not that way
[22:48] <jwash> checks to make sure that rom dependencies are met
[22:48] <jwash> like having the neo geo bios  for neo geo roms
[22:48] <OerHeks> time to search some harder
[22:48] <OerHeks> !info        romcmp
[22:48] <OerHeks> oh. part of mame-tools
[22:49] <OerHeks> whatever
[22:49] <jwash> qmc2 looks good
[22:50] <nicomachus> it may have dependency checks built it, I haven't used it in awhile
[22:50] <jwash> looks like it does
[22:51] <nicomachus> http://wiki.batcom-it.net/index.php?title=The_%27ultimate%27_guide_to_QMC2
[22:51] <coolmail33> MATEnu Desktop Instructions have yet to be insertet.
[22:51] <nicomachus> yea, see #Checking_ROM-states
[22:55] <slidinghorn> coolmail33: MateNu development stalled a few years ago...probably best to find a more active project to use (and best to use one that's in the official repos)
[22:59] <sudomarize> where is .htaccess located?
[22:59] <bekks> sudomarize: where you placed it.
[23:00] <sudomarize> bekks: what if i haven't?
[23:00] <bekks> sudomarize: Then state your actual issue :))
[23:01] <sudomarize> bekks: ah right. Where do i put the .htaccess file if i haven't created one?
[23:02] <bekks> sudomarize: Depends on what your actual issue is.
[23:02] <stacks88> ive got a ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS server, it runs 3.16.0-57-generic x86_64. when i run apt-get dist-upgrade it doesnt say i need to upgrade to any new kernel or anything. i ran ls -al /lib/modules and i see the latest that is there is 3.16.0-57-generic , the same kernel im running now. so it would appear my system doesnt need to be rebooted or need to upgrade the kernel. but how come when i run
[23:02] <stacks88> apt-cache search linux-image-4 i see that ther is a kernel 4.2.0.. ? why doesnt my system try to jump to that? how did i end up with 3.xx as my ceiling limit?
[23:03] <levo> guys do you know a light pdf reader with the ability of highlighting text ?
[23:03] <slidinghorn> sudomarize: What exactly are you trying to accomplish with your .htaccess file?  What are you trying to implement?  That would help others in here figure out how to help you :)  Also, see the !details trigger from ubottu
[23:04] <nicomachus> stacks88: the 4.2 kernel is used on ubuntu 15.10, not on the LTS release.
[23:04] <bekks> nicomachus: You are wrong.
[23:04] <nicomachus> often.
[23:04] <genii> levo: If you already have LibreOffice installed, just open your pdf files with that instead
[23:04] <OerHeks> !hwe
[23:04] <sudomarize> I'm trying to route all requests through one php file on apache
[23:05] <sudomarize> to do that i need to add some rules to my .htaccess file
[23:05] <nicomachus> bekks: feel free to provide the correct info, then
[23:05] <levo> genii: I think it's a little heavy for a 500 page book
[23:06] <bekks> nicomachus: you have been given the correct info, already.
[23:06] <bekks> nicomachus: 0108 000433 < ubottu> The Ubuntu LTS enablement stacks provide newer kernel and X support for existing LTS releases, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[23:07] <slidinghorn> levo: There's the actual Adobe reader, evince, and probably many others...
[23:07] <genii> levo: Not sure how light okular is but you can click and drag to make a rectangle over the text you want to highlight and copy
[23:07] <levo> slidinghorn: evince doesn't have the highlighting feature. the only one i know of was a kde pgroram (okular? not sure)
[23:08] <nicomachus> bekks: Sorry, I was under the impression that even the 14.04.3 LTS HWE was on 3.19 still, but now I see that's incorrect.
[23:09] <tuxedo> Hello everyone
[23:09] <_nemesys> h
[23:09] <tuxedo> Why firefox is crashing so much on ubuntu 14.04.3
[23:10] <PhoenixFyre> does anyone in here use i-mscp?
[23:10] <_nemesys> i dont know bro i use fedora changes to fedora
[23:11] <llldino> tuxedo, If you open firefox using a shell, you might get useful debug messages regarding errors
[23:11] <slidinghorn> !details > tuxedo Please give the channel more details so they can help you
[23:12] <PhoenixFyre> Hi All. I am new to i-mscp.  I am trying to get a hosting setup for a friend.  I take it from the name that i-mscp can manage multiple linux ubunto servers? I don't have to have all services, web, mail, dns etc on just one server right?
[23:12] <k1l_> tuxedo: try without the plugins with a clean profile. does it still crash? start firefox from a terminal ans see what it puts as errors there
[23:12] <_nemesys> scan your ip
[23:12] <_nemesys> for open ports
[23:13] <_nemesys> netstat -ntl
[23:14] <Loshki> PhoenixFyre: I see they have a web site, a forum and apparently an (extremely small) channel named #i-mscp. It might be quicker to just read the documentation.
[23:14] <_nemesys> see services web mail dns are running
[23:16] <Skyrider> Does pm (sleep.d) needs to be rebooted/restarted for it to work?
[23:17] <shibboleth> Anyone been able to enable VLAN-ID (VID) higher than 128?
[23:17] <shibboleth> The Atheros switch should be able to handle it, but the driver seems limited to 128
[23:20] <shibboleth> wrong chan, sorry :)
[23:23] <PHroGman> linux mint xfce has ubuntu under the hood?
[23:23] <bekks> PHroGman: Ask the Mint guys what they are doing :)
[23:23] <llldino> PHroGman, It's a different project that's forked from Ubuntu
[23:24] <uebera||> Hi there. Is there a best practice for slipstreaming existing dvd images in a somewhat automated way (e.g., the official Kubuntu 15.10 image is now 2.5 months old)?
[23:24] <PHroGman> the reason Im asking is I wanted to put it on an old P4 laptop with a PCI slot for a wireless card this can be a daunting task
[23:25] <bekks> PHroGman: If you want to use Mint, you need to ask the Mint support community :)
[23:25] <PHroGman> With lubuntu i had to get non free drivers
[23:25] <llldino> !mint
[23:25] <PHroGman> for it to work
[23:38] <pvl1> hey all. have a fresh install of server, that i installed over pxe/tftp.... im having a very intermittent internet connection and cant figure out why. ive tried dhcp and static configs... resolv conf seems fine
[23:44] <pvl1> hm i think idrac might be interfering
[23:51] <habs> Hi, is there a version of arm-elf-gcc packaged for ubuntu? I see there are other cross-compiled arm gccs available, but not arm-elf-gcc; am I missing something?
[23:59] <MonkeyDust> !find idrac


[14:02] <cnd> Satoris, the bug report looks nice :)
[14:02] <cnd> unfortunately, I'm getting some duplicate entries
[14:03] <cnd> you have them in your foo.html too
[14:03] <cnd> look at bug 963525
[14:03] <cnd> when I run your script it has three entries for each task (dulwich and bzr-git)
[14:04] <cnd> oh wait
[14:04] <cnd> there's something buggy with the colunn sorter
[14:04] <cnd> ahh, nm, I didn't realize something
[14:04] <cnd> there's three tasks for that bug
[14:04] <cnd> for each task, there are three entries where there should be only one
[14:13]  * bregma drains his coffee cup
[14:14] <cnd> I think I have fixed all the "bugs" with touchscreens in X right now, but there is a design issue that prevents menus from working properly
[14:14] <tvoss> working on utouch-frame generic backend, prototype of x-backend rewrite is working, iterating chromium patch, jenkins work (production and staging)
[14:14] <cnd> I'm trying to figure out if we should just say they are broken
[14:14] <cnd> and move on
[14:15] <cnd> or if we should change the XI 2.2 protocol slightly when explicit device grabs are used
[14:15] <tvoss> cnd, what is the design issue? Just curious
[14:15] <cnd> when a touch begins, a list of listeners is created
[14:15] <cnd> touches and pointer events derived from them are only ever sent to that list of listeners
[14:16] <Satoris> Bug report and bugfixing secret project.
[14:16] <cnd> however, the way menus work is it receives a button press
[14:16] <tvoss> ah, and a menu opens up after the initial list of listeners is created?
[14:16] <cnd> then it creates a new menu window
[14:16] <cnd> and then it grabs the device
[14:16] <cnd> and it expects to receive events through that grab
[14:16] <Satoris> cnd: you can't have only one line for each entry, because they can all have different status/importance/milestone/etc.
[14:16] <cnd> which it does for subsequent touches, but not for the touch that initiated it
[14:17] <cnd> Satoris, there should be one line per task
[14:17] <Satoris> Or putting them in a tree structure, which is unsortable as discussed earlier.
[14:17] <cnd> I'm seeing 3 lines per task
[14:17] <cnd> but only for a few bugs
[14:17] <cnd> most are correct
[14:17] <cnd> dandrader, standups!
[14:18] <Satoris> Hmm. That is strange.
[14:18] <dandrader> I'm now debugging the patch that makes unity use geisv2 api with accept() reject() (regular recognizer)
[14:18] <cnd> bregma, if you're going to drink coffee by the water cooler, you need to chat too :)
[14:18] <bregma> I got my gesture-config stuff almost done yesterday then realized the config is per-subscription, not global, so now I have a whole lot more left to impement
[14:18] <cnd> dandrader, where do we stand with the geis touch coordinates?
[14:18] <bregma> test cases these days are the bulk of the work
[14:19] <Satoris> I put bugs in an array. Probably need to change that to a dict so that duplicates go away.
[14:19] <cnd> Satoris, ahh, that sounds like a good idea :)
[14:19] <dandrader> cnd, didn't start working on it yet. will do after I finish with the unity geisv2 update (ie. once it's working again)
[14:19] <cnd> dandrader, how long until you have geisv2 done?
[14:21] <dandrader> took much more work than I anticipated. I wanted to expose that event->groupset->group->gestures hierarchy in GeisAdapter
[14:21] <cnd> dandrader, if it's not much more then that's fine, but we need to focus on fixing bugs for the release
[14:22] <bregma> jeepers cripes I just went to do an apt-get upgrade and it's 2 GB of downloads... has every single package in the distro been updated in the last 3 or 4 days?
[14:22] <Satoris> cnd: is there anything else to add to the output?
[14:23] <cnd> Satoris, assignee would be good
[14:23] <Satoris> Ok, will add.
[14:23] <cnd> otherwise, I think it's good :)
[14:24] <cnd> for a future version, I'm starting to think we want to separate bugs that are relevant to us, and bugs that are our responsibility
[14:24] <cnd> so the bzr-git signed tag support is relevant to us, but not under our control
[14:24] <cnd> we'll have to come up with a way to separate them though
[14:25] <cnd> but that's after we get the initial report up
[14:29] <cnd> I'll be biab
[14:36] <Satoris> cnd: I'll leave now but Skype later?
[15:45] <dandrader> cnd, https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/utouch-geis/lp984069/+merge/102337
[15:46] <dandrader> should I include a test as well?
[15:55] <cnd> dandrader, fix looks good, but yes it does need a test
[15:55] <cnd> dandrader, you can use one of the existing touchscreen device recordings in the geis testsuite
[15:57] <dandrader> cnd, could you test it out (as explained in the proposal)?
[15:57] <cnd> dandrader, yeah
[15:58] <cnd> dandrader, I won't get to it for a bit thoug
[15:58] <cnd> meetings and such
[15:58] <dandrader> ok
[16:55] <cnd> bregma, wrt dandrader|lunch's branch, did you build and run the unity branch too?
[16:55] <cnd> if you were able to perform three touch gestures, then it should be all fixed
[17:01] <bregma> no, I have not rebuilt unity
[17:01] <bregma> I do want to know why having to have all three touches in the window is a requirement
[17:02] <bregma> it seems we discussed that and I recall the conclusion was that it's OK for one touch to be outside the window (fat fingers and small windows)
[17:02] <bregma> that's why Ikbel asked the question on the big
[17:16] <dandrader> bregma,  I get several failures when running geis tests. do they all work for you?
[17:19] <bregma> you mean "make check"?
[17:20] <dandrader> yes
[17:20] <bregma> yes, works for me on all my machines, at least on a first pass
[17:20] <dandrader> well, if I leave my computer alone while the display is blank I get only one failure (a seg fault)
[17:20] <bregma> on subsequent runs I sometimes get the spurious failure
[17:22] <dandrader> so the tests automatically switch to a tty and should be kept there?
[17:22] <bregma> I don't run them in a tty
[17:23] <bregma> the gtest-based tests shouldn't need one, the check-based tests don;t need one
[17:23] <bregma> you _do_ need to be root to run the gtest-based tests
[17:23] <dandrader> me neither, but when I run them they seem to do so. My screen gets blank and I have to do Ctrl+Alt+F7 to get back to my desktop
[17:24] <dandrader> yes, I'm running them as root
[17:24] <bregma> perhaps one of the captive evemu recordings are doing something bad to your desktop
[17:27] <dandrader> hmm... now I get more failures but no tty swithc
[17:27] <dandrader> that switch might be related to the fact that I'm running compiz from a tty
[17:28] <dandrader> would be nice if those recordings could be played in-process through a fake utouch-frame layer
[17:35] <bregma> or something like that
[17:59] <cnd> dandrader, yes and no, I like having the recordings play through X because then I can double check that I haven't screwed anything up in the display server :)
[17:59] <cnd> and the necessary VT switch should be fixed in a future xorg-gtest release
[17:59] <cnd> if you have xorg-gtest build and installed from upstream git, then log out and back in, you shouldn't need a VT switch anymore
[18:39] <dandrader> something is really wrong. tests in all utouch projects are failing for me. no utouch-grail test gets any event (such as device added) for instance
[18:39] <dandrader> I wonder what has changed since the last time I've run those tests...
[18:40] <dandrader> (successfully, that is)
[19:10] <cnd> dandrader, do you have a stale X server process maybe?
[19:10] <cnd> sometimes the test dies unexpectedly and the X server is left running
[19:10] <dandrader> hmmm... let me check
[19:10] <cnd> that could cause an issue
[19:12] <dandrader> cnd, I did!
[19:12] <dandrader> good. now I'm back to a new set of failures and that odd VT switch :)
[19:12] <cnd> dandrader, hopefully that is resolved with an upstream X server patch and an update to xorg-gtest
[19:12] <cnd> I'm just waiting on keith packard to merge the patch into xserver
[19:13] <cnd> dandrader, I'm checking out geis and unity now :)
[19:13] <dandrader> my frustration level decreased quite a bit now :)
[19:14] <dandrader> (with your tip about the stale X server)
[19:14] <cnd> good, though I'm sorry you had to go through it :(
[19:15] <bregma> ah, yeah, that.  forgot to mention it sometimes happens
[19:15] <dandrader> cnd, btw, I think you're the appropriate person to reply to this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/978378/comments/1
[19:16] <cnd> ahh, I hadn't seen that comment yet
[19:16] <cnd> I'll respond
[19:16] <cnd> dandrader, btw, Ikbel was a previous member of the utouch team
[19:16] <cnd> he wrote ginn
[19:16] <cnd> just fyi
[19:16] <dandrader> hmmm, is he still at Canonical?
[19:17] <bregma> that's the comment on the bug I mentioned above (see scrollback)
[19:17] <bregma> dandrader, no, he's studying full time
[19:18] <dandrader> ah, ok
[19:23] <cnd> dandrader, hmm... the coords still seem wrong
[19:23] <cnd> I'll debug a bit
[19:24] <dandrader>  :(
[19:25] <cnd> oh wait
[19:25] <cnd> I checked out the wrong geis branch :)
[19:28] <cnd> dandrader, the geis change fixed it :)
[19:28] <cnd> \o/
[19:29] <dandrader> finally!
[19:29] <cnd> when straddling windows it doesn't work any more


[19:34] <cjohnston> nigelb: ping
[19:35] <nigelb> cjohnston: hi
[19:35] <cjohnston> hey dude.. could you fire off tarmac please
[19:35] <nigelb> sure
[19:35] <cjohnston> nigelb: /me has a script now for you to have a working summit instance in ~5 minutes... sounds like dev time for nigelb !
[19:36] <cjohnston> ;-)
[19:36] <nigelb> Heh.
[19:36] <nigelb> I should get around to do doing some dev.
[19:39] <cjohnston> uh huh
[22:26] <cjohnston> mhall119: daker and I need assistance please


[17:11] <jbailey> doko: Anything left you need from me for the upload?
[17:12] <lamont`> jbailey: goat's blood?
[17:12] <jbailey> It'll be vegan goat's blood.  Somewhat less potent.
[17:13] <jbailey> Which means that it'll be some sort of crazy pr0n flick with me hosing him down with a firehose of tempeh sauce.
[17:13] <jbailey> We'll sell ticket.
[17:13] <jbailey> +s
[17:13] <jbailey> Well, unless we can sell one at a high enough price to cover the bills.
[17:13] <jbailey> infinity: Interested?
[17:13]  * jbailey hides
[17:15] <lamont`> lol
[19:14] <doko> jbailey: no, will upload tonight
[19:14] <jbailey> doko: Cool, thanks
[19:14] <jbailey> doko: Carlos has ok'd the hppa for upstream, too, which is nice.
[19:14] <jbailey> +patch
[19:20] <infinity> jbailey: Freak.
[19:24] <jbailey> infinity: Didn't you just move to Calgary?
[19:25] <infinity> jbailey: Yes.... And?
[19:25] <jbailey> "Takes one to know one" then certainly applies.
[19:25] <infinity> Thpt.
[19:25] <infinity> I missed snow.
[19:26] <infinity> You will too, one day.
[19:32] <infinity> lamont`: You need to make your way up here sometime, so Zofia can meet you and understand the horror implied in jbailey's statement that our offspring would be "just like LaMont".
[19:33] <jbailey> Actually, we didn't miss the cold until we went to UDS in Boston.  Then it was a case of "Oh yeah.  There's supposed to have been a season change."
[19:33] <infinity> Best.  Birth control.  Method.  Ever.
[19:34] <jbailey> Eheheh
[19:35] <infinity> You're not in Quebec anymore, you don't have to laugh backwards.
[19:35] <infinity> Say it with me, "Hehehe, hahaha."
    Oh yeah baybee.."
[19:40] <jbailey> Cunningly abbreviated to "Ho Ho Ho"
[19:41] <jbailey> Sort of like a circus caller.
[19:42] <infinity> ... and people wonder why I prefer cats to people.
[19:47] <jbailey> infinity: Enjoy: http://catsinsinks.com/
[20:51] <lamont`> infinity: lol
[22:40] <doko> jbailey: glibc uploaded
[22:41] <jbailey> doko: Yay!
[22:42] <jbailey> doko: Anything else you need from me for now?
[22:43] <doko> jbailey: well, just did see the unanswered glibc bug reports ... probably not something for this year
[22:49] <jbailey> There we go.  I did the one labeled high priority.


[00:00] <eruditehermit> bjf, laptop with intel sandybridge GPU and radeon discrete GPU
[00:00] <eruditehermit> bjf, airlied is in #radeon
[00:01] <bjf> bryceh, ^^ does this request seem reasonable to you ?
[00:01] <bjf> eruditehermit, do you have a make and model for that ? I can see if we have one in the company
[00:02] <eruditehermit> sony viao S 2011 just released
[00:02] <eruditehermit> VPCSB
[00:03] <bjf> eruditehermit, what are the symptoms right now without this enabled ?
[00:03] <bjf> eruditehermit, nevermind, read the bug report :-)
[00:04] <eruditehermit> right
[00:04] <eruditehermit> I have to blacklist radeon manually
[00:04] <eruditehermit> for it to work normally with just the sandybridge GPU
[00:04] <eruditehermit> but for a new user who doesn't know how to blacklist modules its not fun
[00:10] <bryceh> bjf, multi-gpu setups seem to be pretty boned at the moment, so if that config change helps, I'm +1 on it
[00:11] <bjf> bryceh, cool, i almost have a kernel for him to test
[00:11] <bjf> bryceh, will add the results to the bug
[00:11] <bryceh> bjf, typical problem seems to be you have intel and radeon|nvidia, you plug monitor into latter card, and kernel comes up with both i915 and some other driver, and i915 starts throwing up
[00:12] <bryceh> dunno if that corresponds to eruditehermit's issue but that's one I'm seeing quite a bit of
[00:13] <eruditehermit> bryceh, bjf: <airlied> eruditehermit: well I'm forcing it on upstream and in stable
 fedora has had it on for years
[00:13] <eruditehermit>  and RHEL
 I'll send the patch to dri-devel
[00:14] <eruditehermit>  so they can see it before I push it
[00:14] <bryceh> heh, a "we'll make linux work only on redhat" patch, fun
[00:15] <bjf> eruditehermit, http://people.canonical.com/~bradf/lp768645/
[00:16] <bryceh> eruditehermit, would you mind posting a dmesg from one of the failure modes you've seen?  I'd like to try to connect this to other bugs I've seen reported.  If I can, that may help lend additional weight to getting the SRU approved.
[00:17] <eruditehermit> bryceh, sure It'll take a few mins to reboot and collect info
[00:17] <eruditehermit> bjf, thanks I'm downloading and installing
[00:19] <eruditehermit> brb
[00:41] <eruditehermit> hey guys
[00:41] <bjf> eruditehermit, well ?
[00:41] <eruditehermit> I still have problems with my setup
[00:41] <eruditehermit> I am debugging them with airlied
[00:41] <eruditehermit> but I still think that kernel config option might help others
[00:42] <eruditehermit> bryceh, here is my dmesg http://pastebin.com/AjkiQ9WC
[00:42] <eruditehermit> in any case airlied will make that option the default in stable and upstream from now
[00:42] <bjf> eruditehermit, can you attach that to the bug?
[00:42] <eruditehermit> bjf, sure
[00:42] <bjf> eruditehermit, did you confirm that i got the config option turned on ?
[00:43] <eruditehermit> bjf, yes
[00:43] <eruditehermit> i'll send my kconfig to airlied to see if there is anything else
[00:46] <bryceh> eruditehermit, sweet thanks; that OOPS definitely looks familiar...
[00:48] <bjf> eruditehermit, i'll be around for a bit longer if you need another kernel turned
[00:50] <eruditehermit> bjf, talking to airlied about it. He says that it seems like it is trying to init radeon before the card is powered up.
[01:29] <bryceh> bjf, fwiw what I've gathered is that getting multi-gpu setups to "work" will require a number of different changes and a lot of testing
[01:30] <bjf> bryceh, too bad, was hoping we could fix a few with a minor change
[01:31] <bjf> bryceh, sounds like natty will have plenty of sru business
[01:31] <jjohansen> yeah
[01:45] <bryceh> bjf, yeah
[01:54] <eruditehermit> bjf, would you be willing to patch a kernel module and build it for me?
[01:54] <bjf> eruditehermit, you have the patches ?
[01:54] <eruditehermit> http://fpaste.org/Z8pu/
[01:54] <eruditehermit> patch for radeon module
[01:55] <bjf> eruditehermit, just the one line ?
[01:55] <eruditehermit> looks like it
[01:55] <eruditehermit> supposedly it will check for GPU power on before it inits the card
[01:57] <bjf> eruditehermit, building
[02:09] <eruditehermit> bjf, thank you so much
[02:09] <bjf> eruditehermit, that doesn't compile
[02:09] <bjf> eruditehermit, error: ‘handle’ undeclared (first use in this function)
[02:09] <eruditehermit> hrm
[02:10] <eruditehermit> http://fpaste.org/28SP/
[02:11] <eruditehermit> bjf, new patch
[02:12] <bjf> eruditehermit, building
[02:12] <eruditehermit> bjf, apparently on multi GPU setups there is a power switch for the card that doesn't exist on single GPU machines. This patch turns the GPU on. If bryceh has seen this a lot this might be why
[02:12] <eruditehermit> apparently linux doesn't do multi GPU setups well
[02:13] <bjf> eruditehermit, seems to have compiled, still building
[02:18] <eruditehermit> bjf, cool thanks =)
[02:19] <bjf> eruditehermit, new kernels are there, same directory, you want the "b02" ones
[02:20] <eruditehermit> bjf, thanks =)
[02:21] <eruditehermit> bjf, this is what I have http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921666318656
[02:23] <bjf> eruditehermit, nice looking
[02:24] <eruditehermit> I wanted something light and powerful
[02:24] <eruditehermit> 3.8lbs
[02:24] <eruditehermit> not many people making lightweight laptops for some reason
[02:25] <bjf> i've got a lenovo thinkpad x301 that i really like
[02:25] <eruditehermit> lenovo mousepads and keyboards annoy me
[02:25] <eruditehermit> apple has the best touchpad
[02:25] <eruditehermit> I was going to get a macbook pro
[02:26] <eruditehermit> but its slightly heavier
[02:26] <bjf> i really like the keyboard, except where they put the escape key
[02:26] <eruditehermit> the fn key
[02:26] <eruditehermit> annoys me
[02:26] <eruditehermit> its to the left of control
[02:26] <bjf> you can't get that sony with an ssd?
[02:27] <eruditehermit> yeah you can
[02:27] <eruditehermit> it just costs more
[02:27] <eruditehermit> it also has a sheet battery for $99 extra
[02:27] <eruditehermit> sheet extended battery
[02:27] <eruditehermit> that clips on
[02:27] <eruditehermit> screen viewing angle sucks though
[02:28] <eruditehermit> but then I think a lot of laptop screens suck
[02:28] <eruditehermit> it doesn't reflect as much as the macbook but it isn't as bright
[02:29] <eruditehermit> I have a macbook in the house too
[02:29] <eruditehermit> ok
[02:29] <eruditehermit> rebooting to test
[02:29] <eruditehermit> brb
[02:47] <bjf> eruditehermit, what's the word ?
[02:47] <eruditehermit> bjf, still having problems =(
[02:48] <bjf> eruditehermit, i'm kind of done for today, will be checking back periodically though
[02:49] <eruditehermit> bjf, ok thanks
[02:49] <eruditehermit> bjf, will you be around tomorrow?
[02:49] <bjf> eruditehermit, i'm west coast US, yes, will be around all day tomorrow
[02:49] <eruditehermit> ah me too
[02:49] <eruditehermit> thank you so much for all your help
[02:49] <bjf> ericm|ubuntu, np
[17:04] <bjf> ogasawara, there is no ports branch in natty-meta, does that get added post release or are there no ports now ?
[17:05] <ogasawara> bjf: hrm, dunno.  would have to take a look.
[17:14] <ogasawara> bjf: so in the past, luke would hand off the ports trees to us at release.  But I want to recall that with the Natty cycle we took back maintainership.  powerpc is the only one left.
[17:15] <ogasawara> bjf: I'll need to check with apw what the plan is
[17:15] <bjf> ogasawara, but it would seem that we've not been doing powerpc during the dev cycle, is that normal ?
[17:15] <ogasawara> bjf: it's been building, just no meta
[17:15] <bjf> ah
[17:16] <bjf> ogasawara, can anyone install it without a meta ?
[17:16] <ogasawara> bjf: sure, you can grab the deb
[17:16] <bjf> ogasawara, wonder if anyone has been testing it
[17:17] <ogasawara> bjf: I'm unsure of our userbase for powerpc and I suspect it gets little to no testing in the dev cycle
[17:17] <komputes> JFo: ping
[17:17] <bjf> ogasawara, a cynical person would wonder then why we bother :-)
[17:17] <ogasawara> bjf: we only found out around Beta1 or Beta2 that it completely failed to boot
[17:19] <ogasawara> bjf: yep, so it looks like we pulled it back into the master branch, so it's handled by linux-meta
[17:20] <ogasawara> bjf: so no ports branch needed
[17:20] <bjf> ogasawara, cool, that's nice
[17:37] <JFo> komputes, hi, sorry, was grabbing food. :)
[17:47] <jj-afk> running errands
[17:54] <ogasawara> bjf, sconklin: I forget, for the stable patch sets do I still need 2 Ack's or can I just push to master-next
[17:55] <bjf> ogasawara, just push
[17:55] <sconklin> ogasawara: what he said
[17:55] <ogasawara> sweet, thanks
[17:56] <bjf> ogasawara, which tree? lucid ?
[17:56] <ogasawara> bjf: natty
[17:56] <ogasawara> bjf: <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:56] <bjf> ogasawara, ah
[17:57] <bjf> ogasawara, steve and i are making plans on doing getting natty into the next SRU cadence cycle
[17:57] <bjf> it's good to have a plan
[17:57] <ogasawara> bjf: indeed
[18:55] <komputes> JFo: re-ping
[18:56] <komputes> JFo: I was wondering if you could have a quick look at Bug #768497 and let me know if the issue is know if if you need further information to triage it.
[18:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 768497 in linux "Acer Aspire 5943G JMicron devices not seen unless system boots with SD card inserted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/768497
[19:14] <JFo> komputes, looking now
[19:24] <komputes> JFo: cheers
[19:25] <JFo> komputes, :)
[19:34] <kees> JFo: hi! what's the right way to make sure LP: #455067 gets included for a lucid kernel update? (it's already been fixed in maverick and natty)
[19:34] <bjf> bug 455067
[19:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 455067 in linux "[113818.216022] BUG: scheduling while atomic: dosemu.bin/12814/0x10000004" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/455067
[19:37]  * JFo looks
[19:37] <bjf> kees, you could always submit an sru patch to the mailing list
[19:37] <kees> bjf: in theory, it's in the stable upstream kernels.
[19:38] <bjf> kees, still looking, did it go in recently ?
[19:38] <kees> bjf: so I'm trying to figure out the best way to get it included without creating additional work if it overlaps with the stable upstream updates
[19:38] <bjf> kees, we should be seeing it soon from upstream stable, gregkh is maintaining that tree
[19:39] <kees> bjf: I haven't looked at the stable upstream updates yet; in linus's tree, it's 6554287
[19:39] <bjf> kees, i'm looking now
[19:39] <kees> Date:   Thu Sep 23 13:16:58 2010 -0400
[19:39] <JFo> kees, bjf I've got it headed to the hot list and I milestoned it for lucid updates so it is on our radar
[19:39] <kees> JFo: okay, thanks!
[19:40] <JFo> kees :-)
[19:40]  * JFo waits to see what bjf finds
[19:40] <kees> bjf: no need to jump on it if you're at all busy; I just wanted to get it on the radar since it's already fixed on maverick and natty and I've seen some people hit it with lucid
[19:41] <bjf> kees, np, it's kind of a slow friday
[19:42]  * JFo is going blind on bugs again.
[19:42] <JFo> as an aside, has anyone else not been getting notified by xchat when pinged?
[19:42] <JFo> doesn't happen all of the time, but it has happened to me twice today
[19:43] <bjf> JFo, could be a natty osd issue
[19:43] <JFo> hmm, could be
[19:43] <bjf> jfo, http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/
[19:43]  * JFo <3
[19:44] <JFo> that page is my favorite now
[19:44] <JFo> I'm even going to get tons of use from the package versions page
[19:49] <bjf> kees, i see where that patch hit the stable mailing list but i don't think it got any attention
[19:50] <bjf> kees, also, based on the comments in the commit, it was likely to take a backport which didn't get done
[19:50] <bjf> kees, but i'll dig a bit more
[19:52] <kees> bjf: ah, so it's not a straight fix? yeah, I was worried about that, given the commits listed in it. :( I'm trying to get a reproducer for the issue, hopefully that will help for QA.
[19:58] <bjf> kees, the patch to arch/x86/kernel/vm86_32.c:handle_vm86_trap() looks like it might just apply, but the patch to arch/x86/kernel/traps.c:do_debug() won't that code changed a bit
[19:59] <kees> yeah, I figured some historical analysis of all the commits mentioned in the upstream commit is needed. there are like 4(?) or so that change the code. O_o
[20:09] <komputes> JFo: mainline again? Have we improved instructions or the testing process. We use this line so much we should just make a LiveCD with the mainline kernel to simplify testing.
[20:19] <bjf> komputes, downloading and installing a kernel takes a little less bandwidth than a full LiveCD
[20:19] <komputes> bjf: I agree, but it's complicated for average user to understand
[20:19] <bjf> JFo, reading over that page (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds) it's a little dated and could use some love
[20:19] <komputes> a lot of it IMO
[20:20] <komputes> we have to remember that we have experience doing this, average users do not
[20:20] <bjf> komputes, it shouldn't be complicated, if it reads that way, the wiki page should be fixed
[20:20] <komputes> why not just put a "mainline" metapackage in the repos for testing purposes
[20:21] <bjf> komputes, that's an interesting idea
[20:21] <komputes> This is what happens to most bugs, they get reported against linux, Triager asks for the user to test mainline. At this point many users give up and do not follow up causing expired bugs
[20:21] <bjf> komputes, feel free to suggest it on the mailing list
[20:22] <komputes> which one?
[20:22] <JFo> bjf, yep. it needs updating
[20:22] <bjf> komputes, the kernel team mailing list
[20:22] <komputes> should we talk about this at UDS?
[20:23] <bjf> komputes, we could, but if we like the idea, we could have it implemented by then, and we'll be the ones that need to implement it
[20:25] <komputes> bjf: Wew you talking about the "kernel-team" mailing list?
[20:26] <bjf> komputes, the ubuntu kernel team list
[20:26] <bjf> komputes, https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kernel-team
[21:02] <komputes> bjf: JFo: sent the proposal to the kernel-team list, thanks for your help with this.
[21:02] <bjf> komputes, thanks