[00:04] <Milosz> What's Ipia?
[00:05] <azeem> Milosz: why do you ask?
[00:05] <Milosz> azeem, adding packages to my PPA
[00:05] <azeem> do you mean LPIA?
[00:05] <Milosz> LPIA
[00:05] <Milosz> sorry I wasn't sure if it's an uppercase i or a lowercase L
[00:06] <Milosz> I would google it but there is no information about it
[00:06] <Milosz> anyway if this is not the right place to ask...
[00:06] <jdong> Low Power Intel Architecture
[00:06] <jdong> (i.e. Atom)
[00:06] <Milosz> thanks jdong
[00:06] <Milosz> ok it's Atom, I see
[00:07] <jdong> although Atom is more or less x86 compatible, an Atom-aware compiler can generate code that executes more efficiently on the Atom
[00:07] <Milosz> I know
[00:07] <jdong> primarily due to in-order vs out of order execution; as I understand
[00:07] <Milosz> I've only never heard the term LPIA before really
[00:07] <jdong> interestingly, the patches for that may or may not be in our GCC :)
[00:07] <Milosz> heh
[00:08] <Milosz> I'd think you can optimize a great deal for Atom's in-order execution
[00:08] <Milosz> I mean optimize the asm by knowing it's an Atom CPU it will run on
[00:09] <jdong> I'd expect so, too
[02:50] <geofft> #ubuntu-devel
[02:50] <geofft> I don't suppose anyone online is familiar with AppArmor?
[02:50] <geofft> specifically, how to deal with the possibility of /etc/krb5.conf being a symlink
[03:02] <ScottK> geofft: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingApparmor
[03:06] <geofft> ScottK: Hm, that doesn't help me a whole lot. I can just add the target of the symlink to the apparmor profile
[03:06] <geofft> but what I'm really trying to ask is, can I make AppArmor follow symlinks?
[03:06] <ScottK> OK.  No idea about that.  jdstrand would be the one to ask.
[03:07] <geofft> It looks like bug 132468 was kinda about this, and the profile just picked up the target of the symlink
[03:07] <geofft> and so was 203898, and the program just stopped making symlinks. So maybe you can't do this?
[03:08] <dtchen> apparmor does not, no.
[03:08] <dtchen> it's one of the things i'm looking at for LTS
[03:09] <geofft> so there's no existing functionality for saying "it's safe to follow /etc/krb5.conf being a symlink"
[03:09] <geofft> any idea if upstream or ubuntu would be interested in a patch to add this support?
[03:45] <kb9vqf> Any idea why a program would SIGSEGV with a fileno.c: No such file or directory.  ?
[03:45] <kb9vqf> I can't find this fileno.c in any ubuntu packages; nearest I can tell it is part of the gnu c library
[03:46] <geofft> is it reproducible, and if so, can you get a backtrace out of gdb or something?
[03:47] <kb9vqf> geofft: very, and that is the GDB output when the crash occurs
[03:47] <kb9vqf> geofft: well, actually, there are a couple more lines, see here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xscreensaver/+bug/357556/comments/5
[03:47] <kb9vqf> Let's try that again.... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xscreensaver/+bug/357556/comments/5
[03:50] <kb9vqf> Trying to get an actual backtrace now (sorry, haven't used GDB before, still learning :-) )
[03:53] <geofft> type "bt"
[03:53] <geofft> (or "backtrace")
[03:54] <geofft> I believe libc6-dbg will get you the debugging symbols to make GDB happy? Dunno if they'd help much
[03:54] <kb9vqf> geofft: OK, just waiting for it to crash again.  It usually crashes between 5 and 45 minutes after starting
[05:46] <kb9vqf> geofft: Not sure if you're still there, but it finally crashed again on two machines, and I uploaded the backtraces here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xscreensaver/+bug/357556/comments/7
[05:46] <kb9vqf> geofft: It's not much more information to go on, unfortunately
[05:47] <kb9vqf> geofft: The funny thing is GDB claimed it found all the needed debugging symbols when I attached to the running phosphor process, but there are still unresolved functions
[06:01] <geofft> kb9vqf: The unresolved ones look like invalid addresses. From that backtrace, I can't tell anything...
[06:02] <kb9vqf> geofft: me either :/
[06:03] <kb9vqf> geofft: there are only four instances of fileno() in the program
[06:04] <kb9vqf> geofft: I am wondering if the problem is more severe, and possibly lurking somewhere in glibc or the X server, as phosphor is not the only screensaver to crash after a certain amount of time
[06:05] <kb9vqf> geofft: I have had almost all of the opengl xsavers I have tried crash in this manner (dunno yet if all are crashing on fileno_unlocked or not)
[12:28] <jpds> Latest upload of adobe-flashplugin to partner breaks flash everywhere.
[12:28] <jpds> (in jaunty).
[16:42] <cjwatson> kwwii_: any luck on the ubiquity changes?
[16:47]  * maxb blinks at the ftbfs report and wonders why linux-ports and linux-ports-meta tried to build on amd64
[16:49] <cjwatson> maxb: they aren't in P-a-s
[16:49] <cjwatson> therefore they try to build and immediately fail
[16:51] <maxb> worth adding, now there is an Ubuntu-specific P-a-s ?
[16:51] <cjwatson> although we have the capability now, I'd explicitly prefer to keep them in sync (and so would the Debian maintainer)
[16:51] <cjwatson> you could file a bug on buildd.debian.org asking for Ubuntu-specific entries, since there's no linux-ports package in Debian
[16:51] <maxb> right
[16:52] <cjwatson> err, on bugs.debian.org, but with "Package: buildd.debian.org", I mean
[17:36]  * calc is getting tornadoes for easter :\
[17:36] <hyperair> tornadoes?
[17:36] <hyperair> as in those swirly windy things?
[17:37] <calc> yea tornado watch for my area all day i think
[17:37] <calc> really bad thunderstorms, etc
[17:37] <hyperair> ouch
[17:37] <hyperair> =(
[17:38] <calc> 60mph wind, ~ 2cm hail, etc
[17:38] <hyperair> sounds very bad
[17:39] <calc> its luckily not hailing here at least at the moment, but the wind sounds pretty high
[17:39] <calc> the hail was spotted around 10km away i think
[17:40] <calc> but the storm is moving this way, heh
[17:52] <kees> slangasek: so, what's the policy for packages that have ftbfs since Nov?  do we leave them that way since fixing them would essentially break feature freeze?
[19:04] <IntuitiveNipple> I've updated the orbit2 package to create a -dbg symbol package. Currently it has always been a direct sync from Debian with no Ubuntu changes. I've added an Ubuntu version suffix but I'm not sure where/what to set the debian/control Maintainer to since it currently points to the Debian maintainer. Do we have a team that it should be set to?
[19:06] <cjwatson> IntuitiveNipple: why does it need a -dbg package, as opposed to the -dbgsym package on ddebs.ubuntu.com? Does it need a separate build pass with different compiler options?
[19:06] <cjwatson> IntuitiveNipple: the general answer to your question is that running 'update-maintainer' from ubuntu-dev-tools will sort it out for you, but ...
[19:06] <IntuitiveNipple> Hmmm... we have two debug symbol systems?
[19:07] <cjwatson> -dbg is for (a) packages that already had it in Debian, where it isn't worth diverging to remove it (b) cases where it needs a separate build pass
[19:07] <cjwatson> -dbgsym handles cases where the debug symbols can be extracted entirely automatically
[19:08] <IntuitiveNipple> Oh! that explains alot! I am debugging a complex AT-SPI > java > eclipse issue and almost all other packages had -dbg packages so I *assumed* in view of bug #29294 that it was 'missing'
[19:09] <IntuitiveNipple> This is what happens when constantly testing new installs... this one didn't have the ddebs repo added to apt sources !
[19:11] <cjwatson> it's possible that 29294 predates ddebs
[19:11] <cjwatson> or at least predates them being widely known and used
[19:11] <cjwatson> I'll close that bug with an explanation
[19:12] <IntuitiveNipple> Yes, although alter comments fooled me too... from late last year. I'll update with a comment to where they are :D
[19:12] <IntuitiveNipple> i'm already doing it... you want me to stop?
[19:12] <cjwatson> I'm happy to do it since I have authoritative and helpful links to hand
[19:12] <IntuitiveNipple> Thanks
[19:12] <IntuitiveNipple> I was referring to pitti's email of Novmeber 2007 on devel-discuss announcing it
[19:13] <cjwatson> there's a wiki page with up-to-date information and help
[19:13] <IntuitiveNipple> Good... Google didn't find that for me so far
[19:13] <cjwatson> DebuggingProgramCrash
[19:14] <IntuitiveNipple> I looked at all the other Debug* pages except that one earlier!
[19:14] <IntuitiveNipple> could have saved myself 1/2 hour
[19:14] <cjwatson> bug updated
[19:15] <IntuitiveNipple> I only got onto that because I've finalyl pinned down why the Gnome at-spi/gail/atk-bridge causes problems for eclipse (got a decent backtrace from one of the threads) and wanted to see if there was more debug info for gdb... turns out there isn't after all :s
[19:19] <lfaraone> Hi, it seems that bug 235105 isn't properly fixed for me; I'm running stock jaunty and my harddisk spins down on *AC* as well as on batt often. (a about once every 5 minutes or so) Should I comment on the bug?
[19:19] <lfaraone> * bug 59695
[19:31] <BUGabundo> guud eater afternoon
[19:31] <BUGabundo> is pitti back?
[19:31] <BUGabundo> is it known that apport / ubuntu-bug won't work with proxy?
[19:40] <lfaraone> BUGabundo: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.5/+bug/94130
[19:42] <BUGabundo> lfaraone: thanks
[20:40] <slangasek> kees: eh, we generally want them fixed, since otherwise they're hardly security-supportable... which package are you looking at?
[21:51] <kb9vqf> I'm having some major problems with my Jaunty KDE3.5 torrent tracker...which tracker does Ubuntu use?
[21:53] <kb9vqf> Ah, never mind, found it on the main tracker page.  BitTornado.
[21:53]  * kb9vqf feels kinda stupid
[22:11] <kees> slangasek: linux86. i can upload the fix shortly.
[22:23] <kwwii_> cjwatson: almost done, I had the family at my house this afternoon/evening...I plan on finishing things up tomorrow, is that ok?
[22:25] <kwwii_> cjwatson: I still haven't recieved a green light from mark, but I am doing all this hoping that it will come...I know he wants a change and everyone has responded well to the new version
[22:35] <cjwatson> kwwii_: I'll be away all day tomorrow, unfortunately, so I hope Evan is around ...
[22:38] <ash3> #ubuntu-wisconsin
[22:42] <kwwii_> cjwatson: I've snet him an email. I'll just have to see how this plays out. Mark might request changes anyway
[22:43] <ion_> What changes are you talking about, btw?
[22:44] <kwwii_> ion_: are you talking to me? (with my best DeNiro accent)
[22:45] <ion_> kwwii: Well, you’re the only one here.
[22:45] <kwwii_> ion_: http://sinecera.de/time_zones.png
[22:46] <kwwii_> and soon I am gone as well :p
[22:46] <ion_> Neat
[23:05] <ni|> hello, how do i get a package in the "partner/web" category in the ubuntu repositories
[23:05] <ni|> i'm a programmer for a IM archival company in massachusetts
[23:06] <ni|> and I've crafted a debian file for each system {hardy,intrepid,jaunty}
[23:37] <Chipzz> ni|: I don't think that's the point of the partner repo
[23:40] <Chipzz> I think the most logical thing for you to do would be to set up your own repo
[23:40] <Chipzz> for further assistance, use #ubuntu-motu though
[23:46] <ni|> Chipzz: thanks
[23:48] <cjwatson> kwwii_: I think I'm going to have to go ahead and upload ubiquity; we need to get the other changes tested in a definite timeframe
[23:49] <cjwatson> kwwii_: we'll just have to consider the map changes separately


[00:16] <sgclark> shadeslayer: welp had to put in ninjas due to rejects on 85% of them. evidently sitter uploaded 5.7.0 utopic with different contents and Riddell deleted it.
[01:19] <manchicken> Which branch was vivid on for the muon-notifier?
[07:19] <soee> good morning
[07:40] <Mirv> ScottK: sitter: so I needed to rekick khtml autopkgtest, after which qtbase now finally migrated to release pocket
[07:40] <Mirv> there were some problems in the autopkgtest infrastructure
[07:44] <sitter> \o/
[08:13] <tsdgeos> sitter: ping?
[08:16] <tsdgeos> Mirv: Riddell: sitter: do you guys think we can get https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/106409/ in our packages? otherwise quassel crashes
[08:16] <tsdgeos> Mirv: Riddell: sitter: do you guys think we can get https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/106400/ in our packages? otherwise konvesation disconnects because it thinks you're not connected (if using ethernet cable)
[08:17] <sitter> :O
[08:17] <sitter> my konversation isn't disconnecting
[08:18] <tsdgeos> sitter: you're not on ethernet?
[08:19] <sitter> I am on ethernet
[08:19] <tsdgeos> sitter: then you don't have wifi and ethernet?
[08:19] <sitter> ah, I see
[08:19] <tsdgeos> the QNetworkConnectionManager still is not good
[08:20] <tsdgeos> but basically the issue is: lots of stuff happens on start of the class that was missed because there's nothing connected to it
[08:20] <tsdgeos> then the wifi backend found a network i was not connected disappeared and told the manager
[08:20] <tsdgeos> then the manager said "wait there's no network at all, let's tell the app i'm disconnected"
[08:21] <tsdgeos> if you don't have wifi, the manager will be happily empty and never report it's disconnected
[08:21] <Mirv> tsdgeos: mm, I have joins/parts hidden and I guess you just joined? I was just explaining how my yesterday's landing now landed after kicking autopkgtests... https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/5.4.0+dfsg-4ubuntu3
[08:21] <Mirv> that konversation patch of course would need a new landing
[08:22] <tsdgeos> Mirv: i just joined yes
[08:23] <Mirv> and being in networkmanager backend that will need actual testing, I marked yesterday's as "desktop only" so it was a quick one
[08:23] <Mirv> tsdgeos: just LP bug please, it's nicer that way. do you think it has impact on phones?
[08:23] <Mirv> I think it clearly could have, ie 3G + wifi
[08:24] <tsdgeos> Mirv: it's code we are using in the phones but i don't think it has impact
[08:24] <tsdgeos> but obviously testing helps
[08:24] <Mirv> obviously
[08:24] <tsdgeos> ok, i'll LP them
[08:25]  * sitter preps MR
[08:26] <Mirv> 5.4.1 will be sooo outdated when it actually comes out
[08:26] <tsdgeos> yeah :/ sad those bugfixes actually didn't make it to 5.4.1
[08:28] <sitter> Riddell: is jenkins lying or does your prison not actually build? :P
[08:30] <tsdgeos> So i just reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/+bug/1424957 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/+bug/1424960
[08:33] <sitter> Mirv: https://code.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/kubuntu-packaging/qtbase-opensource-src-fixkonvi/+merge/250721
[08:33] <sitter> tsdgeos: the quassel fix should have landed earlier today
[08:34] <tsdgeos> should it?
[08:34] <tsdgeos> oh right
[08:34] <tsdgeos> i can't read
[08:34] <tsdgeos> it's there on the changelog
[08:35] <tsdgeos> i read it three times this mornning and didn't see it
[08:35] <tsdgeos> i guess i need more orange juice :D
[08:36]  * sitter finds orange juice suspicous
[08:36] <sitter> Riddell: you also forgot wrapandsort... fixes in unstable branch
[08:38] <Mirv> tsdgeos: :D
[08:38] <Mirv> thanks tsdgeos + sitter
[09:13] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:34] <kfunk> yay for Plasma 5.2.1
[09:41] <soee> true
[09:41] <soee> do you also have that baloo_file uses 25% cpu all the time ?
[09:43] <soee> and all the time KDEInit can't run '/usr/bin/ksysguard'
[10:26] <soee> Riddell: would be good idea to post some info on G=/twitter about 5.2.1 for Vivid
[10:27] <soee> *G+
[10:27] <Riddell> I don't know the status of it
[10:27] <Riddell> sgclark uploaded much of it I think
[10:27] <Riddell> has it compiled?
[10:28] <soee> Riddell: oh so not all packages landed already in Vivid ?
[10:28] <Riddell> she got blocked on a few by upload permissions and it looks like some need retries to finish them off compiling looking at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html
[10:29] <soee> ok, i thought all are released already
[10:32] <Riddell> upstream hasn't released it yet (and I should know cos it's next on my todo list to do so)
[10:33] <Riddell> oh it's blocked on my prison changes
[10:33] <Riddell> so my fault all over :)
[10:33] <soee> prison ?
[10:33] <Riddell> library so klipper can make barcodes out of stuff
[10:34] <soee> nice name :)
[11:12] <Riddell> ooh beta 1
[11:12] <Riddell> !testers | beta 1 candidates
[11:12] <yofel> time flies @_@
[11:21] <Riddell> any with beta freeze in place I guess plasma 5.2.1 won't be getting out of -proposed soon
[11:31] <ScottK> Riddell: The packageset permission issues are all fixed now.
[11:31] <Riddell> ScottK: lovely thanks
[11:46] <Riddell> sitter: hmm seems I did push the wrong version of the prison packaging to git, thanks for fixing
[11:48] <soee> Riddell: but we have already come 5.2.1 packages in archive right ?
[11:48] <soee> so why beta freeze migth block it ?
[11:48] <soee> *some
[11:48] <Riddell> some are in vivid and some are still in vivid-proposed
[11:49] <Riddell> beta freeze will block moving from -proposed to vivid
[11:49] <soee> Riddell: roger, so when they might be published ?
[11:50] <Riddell> they'll be published in -proposed when they compile (plasma-workspace is compiling away now the rest will start when it's done)
[11:50] <Riddell> they'll move to vivid after beta is out
[11:51] <tsdgeos> Qt 5.4.1 is out
[11:51] <tsdgeos> rebuild all the things :D
[11:51] <Riddell> was about to say the same thing
[11:51] <sitter> hooray \o/
[11:51] <Riddell> new abi is it?
[11:51] <tsdgeos> ah don't think so
[11:52] <tsdgeos> just mean all the qt packages
[11:53] <soee> Riddell: so isos with beta have to be released, than those packages can be moved to vivid ?
[11:54] <Riddell> soee: yes
[11:58] <soee> Riddell: i can test isos later at home after work
[11:59] <Riddell> soee: lovely, thanks
[12:14] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:15] <soee> hiho BluesKaj
[12:17] <BluesKaj> hey soee
[12:17] <mitya57> Qt 5.4.1 \o/
[12:18]  * mitya57 starts packaging it for Debian
[12:20] <Riddell> mitya57++
[12:22] <BluesKaj> system monitor freezes the desktop including the VD pager, at least alt-tab gives access to the close button on system monitor and restores the pager etc
[12:33] <mitya57> Mirv: what is the PPA/branch you used for 5.4.1 snapshot builds?
[12:36] <mitya57> Mirv: ignore, found it, landing-012
[12:37] <Mirv> mitya57: yeah but I didn't really progress it with so far. but at least I've some symbol updates ready for the final 5.4.1 tarball.
[12:38] <Mirv> so instead of forcing the version I thought now to simply start "normal" 5.4.1 test builds
[12:39] <Mirv> oh, right, it's out, I'll start in a bit :)
[12:41] <Mirv> and install files were updated too
[12:42] <BluesKaj> looking for a site to download themes from that doesn't want your life history and your grandmother's maden name etc...what gives with kde-look ?
[13:04] <mitya57> Mirv: btw in that PPA, adding QtNetwork/private/qssl_p.h to qtbase5-dev.install-common is wrong, as it is private header
[13:13] <Mirv> mitya57: yeah, I already noticed, I'm committing soon a WIP commit
[13:14] <Mirv> mitya57: or here it is currently http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10388936/
[13:15] <Mirv> oh, no, that's partial, a second
[13:15] <Mirv> mitya57: this one http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10388944/
[13:19] <mitya57> Mirv: with the new simplified qtbase5-private-dev.install from Debian you don't need to edit it :P
[13:21] <mitya57> And I've already committed the parts I need to Git, based on your previous changes & build logs.
[13:23] <Riddell> sitter: do we have any images with Plasma 5.2.1 on them?
[13:24] <sitter> Riddell: friday's ISO?
[13:24] <sitter> why you ask?
[13:28] <Riddell> sitter: for plasma 5.2,1 release announcement
[13:29] <Riddell> sitter: so friday's iso is 5.2 not unstable plasma?
[13:29] <Mirv> mitya57: oh, ok, I need to sync up a bit then, maybe after the first Debian upload
[13:32] <mitya57> Mirv: I hope I'll be able to do "the first Debian upload" today, in worst case tomorrow
[13:33] <Mirv> mitya57: great! and congrats for getting qtdeclarative out of NEW!
[13:33] <sitter> Riddell: oh true, that's unstable, we don't have one with 5.2 xD
[13:33] <mitya57> Riddell: Thanks should go to ScottK, not me :)
[13:34] <mitya57> Oh, sorry, this was for Mirv, not for Riddell
[13:34] <sitter> Riddell: also due to vivid transition and bluez5 not being available it's not trivial to roll one unfortunately. I can poke things if you feel it's useful though
[13:35] <Riddell> sitter: no I'll just point to kubuntu daily
[13:35] <Riddell> I wonder if fedora have anything
[13:36] <sitter> Riddell: dvratil might have a copr repo
[13:39] <Mirv> mitya57: ok :)
[13:40] <Mirv> thanks to ScottK then for getting qtdeclarative out of NEW
[14:06] <sgclark> morning
[14:06] <soee> gigo sgclark
[14:06] <soee> wrr, hiho
[14:07] <ngaio> hi everyone, is the the correct place to ask about a possible bug in Kubuntu 15.04?
[14:07] <soee> ngaio: i think #kubuntu is for support
[14:07] <ngaio> soee, for alpha versions of Kubuntu too?
[14:08] <soee> ngaio: hmm probably no :)
[14:08] <soee> so ask here i think
[14:08] <ngaio> soee, okay!
[14:09] <ngaio> the first problem I've noticed is that when I plug in a PTP class camera, nothing happens. Gudev is reporting the addition, gvfs-mount -l shows the camera, but nothing appears on the KDE desktop
[14:09] <Riddell> depends if you want developers to make snarky remarks telling you to fix it :)
[14:10] <Riddell> (but hopefully we wouldn't do that, being friendly and all)
[14:10] <Quintasan> Generally PTP was pretty much broken if you didn't use Digikam
[14:10] <Quintasan> I'm not sure how it is now
[14:11] <ngaio> I see
[14:11] <ngaio> the second problem is that an MTP device (my smartphone) is showing up in Dolphin, but it does not report to GVFS/GIO that it's mounted. Should it?
[14:12] <sitter> it doesn't mount it
[14:12] <Quintasan> Not sure, I'm using mtp with the kio-mtp and it works without any problems. Do MTP mount anyways?
[14:12] <Quintasan> I'm pretty much sure MTP is there to avoid mounting since some application could be moved to SD card and mounting it made them inaccessible
[14:13] <sitter> Riddell: PTP probably should be raised to plasma ... I am not certain that the kamera IO slave actually will display as an option in the device notifier when one plugs in a camera (what with the slave being kio4 still)
[14:14] <sitter> Quintasan: you can mount anything really
[14:14] <ngaio> sitter, I want to do the equivalent of (1) monitoring when an MTP device has been virtually "mounted" by KDE and then (2) "unmount" it so libgphoto2 can access it
[14:14] <sitter> KIO slaves just don't do it, what with being inferior to the KIO concept
[14:14] <sitter> ngaio: there is no KDE software that mounts mtp devices I think
[14:15] <ngaio> sitter, but there is a KDE process blocking libgphoto2 from accessing the MTP device
[14:16] <sitter> close dolphin?
[14:16] <sitter> I dunno, that's a support question really :P
[14:16] <ngaio> sitter, okay! so it's expected behavior then
[14:17] <ngaio> so to sum up: nothing should happen when a PTP device is inserted, and when an MTP device is inserted, KDE can work with it but it's never mounted
[14:18] <sitter> I have no clue if it is expected, it certainly doesn't sound optimal
[14:19] <ngaio> sitter, thanks, I'll see if I can join an appropriate KDE mailing list and ask what is expected
[14:20] <sitter> plasma-devel or kdegraphics lists might be best
[14:20] <ngaio> thanks
[14:21] <ngaio> finally, only under KDE does this call fail from python: os.getlogin()
[14:21] <ngaio> it should return the user name
[14:21] <ngaio> instead I'm getting OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory
[14:22] <sitter> works here
[14:22] <sitter> python -c 'import os; print os.getlogin()'
[14:22] <sitter> me
[14:25] <ngaio> Interesting.  It definitely doesn't work here!
[14:26] <ngaio> but it works when I login into the Unity session
[14:34] <ngaio> sitter, should I file a bug report?
[14:34] <sitter> ubuntu-bug python I suppose
[14:43] <Riddell> morning manchicken_
[14:43] <manchicken_> Howdy
[14:44] <manchicken_> It spent last night getting muon to build.
[14:46] <manchicken_> I have too many things to do.
[15:03]  * Riddell gives manchicken_ a head massage
[15:04] <BluesKaj> managed to install marble colour theme on Vivid. Copied the script from the download page to a textfile and named it marble.colors and imported into systems settings>colour. The downloader couldn't down load the .color file for some reason, but opened a page with a script instead.
[15:31] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: oor web server seems to be down, do you know anything about it?
[15:37] <Riddell> "present a yet unspecified known hardware problem with your product exists." says the web interface
[15:37] <Riddell> oh well
[16:22] <BluesKaj> can somone tell what is so active in this room that it causes my cpu to jump to 100% usage on one core and not move or share the load with the other core ?
[16:23] <sitter> #konversation can
[16:24] <BluesKaj> sitter , it's only in this room , the others I have loaded don't suffer from that kind of usage on the cpu, it's only about 10%
[16:25] <BluesKaj> weird
[17:06] <ngaio> hi again, I mentioned earlier that in a KDE session that this raises an exception: python -c 'import os; print os.getlogin()'
[17:07] <ngaio> it turns out people have run up against this since at least 2002 - 13 years ago!
[17:07] <ngaio> https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-bugs-list/2002-July/012691.html
[17:07] <ngaio> There a developer writes "This is not a Python bug.  Python is just calling the platform getlogin().  On my Linux box, a C program that calls getlogin() reports exactly the same error."
[17:08] <ngaio> I have no idea why it works under a Unity session and not KDE
[17:34] <_Groo_> ngaio: do you have any errors in dmesg? might be a permissions or group problem
[17:41] <ngaio> _Groo_, no message in dmesg
[18:30] <mparillo> I have been testing 32-bit Vivid Beta RC1 (http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/334/builds/89657/testcases) and I noticed something. If I boot (Virtual Machine or Netbook), and I get the sign-in panel (used to be LightDM) and just click the power button, it counts down, and keeps counting down to negative numbers. Can anybody try that?
[18:45] <sgclark> mparillo: I have seen that before, don't recall what caused it.
[18:46] <mparillo> TY sgclark: I am happy to raise a bug, but do you know if the sign-in panel is still LightDM?
[18:46] <sgclark> Riddell: kdevelop has been in ninjas a few days and folks want it, at what point can we upload it, if ever.
[18:46] <sgclark> mparillo: no, sddm
[18:47] <sgclark> shadeslayer: can you remind me where I need to copy kf5 backport.
[18:47] <mparillo> And sddm bugs are on B.K.O., not Launchpad, correct?
[18:50] <sgclark> yeah
[18:51] <sgclark> kdevelop 4.7.1 in ninjas needs !testers
[18:51] <sgclark> that never works for me lol
[18:59] <mparillo> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344538
[19:17] <mparillo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/Beta1/Kubuntu  is available for your comments / fixing. I will update the bug list at least one more time.
[19:51] <BluesKaj> where is thew beta 1 image ? the bootable image on the above url is still alpha1 and 2
[19:53] <mparillo> BluesKaj: I got my 32-bit one from: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/334/builds/89657/testcases
[19:54] <mparillo> 64-bit: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/334/builds/89656/testcases
[19:54] <mparillo> The links from the wiki will not be live until the Beta is announced.
[19:55] <lordievader> iso.qa allways has the newest images ;)
[19:56] <lordievader> But getting the daily would work too.
[19:56] <BluesKaj> thanks mparillo
[19:57] <BluesKaj> maybe the beta 1 will fix some annoyances I have with the present install
[19:58] <Quintasan> uhh
[19:58] <Quintasan> what the..
[19:58] <BluesKaj> or create new ones, but that's what testing is about :p
[19:58] <Quintasan> Anyone still on trusty?
[20:01] <mparillo> Quintasan: I think I have my 14.04.2 still up.
[20:01] <mparillo> 32-bit VMware image.
[20:01] <Quintasan> mparillo: Can you see what happens if you don't have package 'rar' installed and try to compress something to a RAR file?
[20:02] <mparillo> Sure thing. Logging off Vivid.
[20:02] <mparillo> I will ping you when on Trusty.
[20:07] <mparillo> Quintasan: I am at a brand-new 14.04.2 VM.
[20:07] <Quintasan> So yeah, make sure the rar package is not installed and try compressing something with Ark to RAR
[20:08] <mparillo> apt-cache policy rar?
[20:08] <Quintasan> Not really, sudo apt-get purge rar
[20:08] <Quintasan> Just make sure it's not installed
[20:10] <mparillo> They both agree. policy returns   Installed: (none) and purge returns Package 'rar' is not installed, so not removed
[20:11] <mparillo> Now I have used Ark to uncompress something because dolphin calls Ark.
[20:12] <Quintasan> Try to compress something into a RAR archive
[20:14] <mparillo> When I type ark filename into the konsole, I get    Bus::open: Can not get ibus-daemon's address. and an ark GUI appeared, but it seemed to want to uncompress, not compress.
[20:15] <Quintasan> mparillo: No no, just use dolphin, Right click on something and use the context menus
[20:15] <soee> Riddell: ping
[20:15] <Quintasan> Generally I want to see what will Ark do with the rar binary is not available and the user wants to compress something using RAR
[20:17] <mparillo> OK, so I picked a small text file, right clicked, selected compress, picked the RAR option, and got a box titled Error - Ark with the message failed to locate program rar on disk.
[20:19] <Quintasan> Good
[20:20] <Quintasan> mparillo: Now make sure the package zip is uninstalled and try compressing something into a ZIP archivet this time
[20:20] <soee> ok im zsyncing iso, will test amd64
[20:21] <mparillo> zip was   Installed: 3.0-8. Purging now.
[20:22] <mparillo> It said: Removing kubuntu-desktop (1.308.1.2) ...
[20:24] <BluesKaj> yeah, gonna install beta 1 64bit image on this old amd pc, then later I may install it on the laptop. We'll see how it goes.
[20:24] <mparillo> And Removing zip (3.0-8) ... Now from dolphin, it looks the same. Right click, Compress, Pick the As ZIP Archive, and it pops up a box titled Error - Ark with the message failed to locate program zip on disk.
[20:24] <Quintasan> Hmm
[20:24] <Quintasan> Strange
[20:25] <Quintasan> mparillo: Actually the behaviour is correct but it creates a tar.gz archive here instead of regular zip
[20:25] <Quintasan> mparillo: Thanks for testing that.
[20:28] <soee> someone knows if teh window lag bug has been fixed in QT 5.4.1 ?
[20:33] <mparillo> Quintasan: My pleasure. I wonder if it is that I have such a vanilla 14.04.2
[20:35] <mparillo> vanilla means (at least in the USA) plain, ordinary, not customized. Out-of-the-box.
[20:35] <mparillo> vanilla ice cream is generally regarded as the most boring flavor.
[20:38] <Quintasan> mparillo: I do realise that :P
[20:39] <Quintasan> Generally I tried reproducing that on my machines and was able to
[20:39] <Quintasan> Your clean install actually makes me sure that something's wrong on my end
[20:41] <mparillo> And I did not mean to insult you by my explanation. I just realized in a global channel that idioms are dangerous.
[20:42] <mparillo> BTW, did I really remove kubuntu-desktop?
[20:44] <soee> isos does not work with virtual box, problems with displaying
[20:48] <mparillo> soee: Not at all? I did fine with Alpha 2 and Beta 1 on VMware Player (limited to 800x600 IIRC until I install the tools).
[20:48] <soee> mparillo: i have fancy dancy colors only visible no normal screen :)
[20:49] <soee> ill share a screen, one moment
[20:49] <soee> BluesKaj: activities switching works nice in 5.2.1 :)
[20:56] <soee> mparillo: after system reboot VB works :)
[20:56] <soee> someone can post again link to isos ?
[20:58] <mparillo> I got my 32-bit one from: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/334/builds/89657/testcases
[20:58] <mparillo> 64-bit: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/334/builds/89656/testcases
[20:58] <Quintasan> mparillo: Yeah you did, it's just a meta-package to pull in everything kubuntu-related.
[20:59] <mparillo> But once pulled in, I do not really need it? Unless I do a dist-upgrade (which I never do on an LTS anyway)?
[20:59] <soee> wrr, VB broken again
[21:00] <mparillo> soee: Usually when I complain about VMware Player, I get a 'use VirtualBox' reply.
[21:03] <BluesKaj> mparillo, I tried kvm-qemu yesterday with Windows 7 as the guest and it ran fine,but windows networking didn't see any other pcs on LAN
[21:06] <BluesKaj> must have mucked up the settings in viirt before installing
[21:06] <mparillo> BluesKaj: I am backwards from you. On my Win7 work laptop, I run Kubuntu as a guest. VMware presents networking (even wireless) to the guest as wired eth0
[21:07] <BluesKaj> heh
[21:08] <soee> correct me f im wrong but with Kubuntu thers no this ubiquity step: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/334/builds/89656/testcases/1303/results
[21:08] <soee> iso just boots to live session in EN
[21:08] <soee> right ?
[21:19] <mparillo> soee: This is what I wrote in my test result: Note that I did not have to wait on the screen Press "Try Kubuntu" and wait for the Live session to start. Technically a bug, but I prefer skipping this screen. But, perhaps a non-English speaker would disagree as I was also not presented with the option to Select A Language.
[21:19] <mparillo> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/334/builds/89657/testcases/1303/results
[21:48] <shadeslayer> sgclark: I think kubuntu-ppa/ppa , but I'd recommend sending a email to kubuntu-devel to make sure
[21:49] <yofel> certainly not, that's the update ppa. Please never put backports there
[21:53] <BluesKaj> hmm, not much difference from the previous install, the beta 1 has all the same annoying bugs as the alphas
[21:56] <sgclark> clear as mud ;p
[21:56] <BluesKaj> oh well, enough for one day, time to change to the boob toob ...see you tomorrow, I hope.
[21:56] <sgclark> see yas
[21:58] <sgclark> yofel: shadeslayer: ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports ??
[21:58] <yofel> sgclark: what release are we talking about?
[21:58] <shadeslayer> yofel: but KF5 5.7 isn't a backport
[21:58] <shadeslayer> it's meant to be SRU'd
[21:58] <sgclark> yofel: ^
[21:59] <sgclark> it is in ninjas but needs to go somewher ewith more exposure to get tested
[21:59] <yofel> ok, so we're talking about the 5.7 SRU for utopic. Then  /ppa is ok
[21:59] <sgclark> cool thx
[22:04] <yofel> FWIW, you could put it into both /ppa and /next, as /next probably has more kf5 users than /ppa
[22:15] <sgclark> yofel: actually next sounds like a better place.. for that reason, all we need is exposure
[22:20] <shadeslayer> lol https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9103726
[23:12]  * ahoneybun just found that you can install steam from the terminal


[17:07] <jwash> hi everyone, can someone assist me getting my workspace situation corrected? i have enabled 4, but I can't switch between them. I do have the workspace switcher enabled and showing, but it only shows one workspace.