[12:00] <LinuxSanta> breaking news
[12:00] <xhoy> reeeeeeeeeeeeee
[12:00] <LinuxSanta> santa leaves
[12:00] <LinuxSanta> :P
[12:00] <mjt> "don't run anything but very few things as root" (don't run as administrator on win - who follows this advise nowadays?).  keep your system up-to-date wrt local root vulnerablilites and so on.
[12:00] <ferris> one virus that i found is called Slapper
[12:00] <Setite> but yea i suppose of what their is to be known most people know windows better... i mean what is there to know
[12:00] <ferris> it was written for linux apache servers
[12:00] <Setite> i hate virii people
[12:01] <Setite> i dont understand why they get such a kick out of messing with peoples systems
[12:01] <xskoulax> in central europe linuxsanta
[12:01] <xskoulax> ?
[12:01] <ferris> it is the challenge of programming
[12:01] <ogra> mjt: updates are run automatically for hoary on in ubuntu, the sudo infrastructure to not  always run as root is already in place...where would be the hole ?
[12:01] <hazza96> my sound stops working about 10 sec after logging in
[12:01] <mjt> that old lpd exploit -- it was a real virus which exploited buggy lpd (buffer overflow) running as root, installing some stuff on the machine and continuing scanning for other hosts -- that was a real stuff, and some machines has been infected.  cicra 2002, no?
[12:02] <mjt> ogra: human minds ;)
[12:02] <xskoulax> ferris, if it was just the challenge they would find the flaws and then pass them on so they can be fixed
[12:03] <xskoulax> so its also the "hah j00 g0t pwn3d"
[12:03] <xskoulax> factor
[12:03] <ogra> mjt: true, but with a really safe system...even if the win/lin situation were the opposite there wouldnt be very much viruses
[12:03] <mjt> there's no need for a virus to run as root, btw: for many tasks it's enouth to run as any user
[12:03] <ferris> xskoulax: I guess that depends on WHAT they are looking at as a challenge?
[12:04] <ogra> mjt: not for critical stuff
[12:04] <ferris> ok, so I guess I will delete BitDefender
[12:04] <ferris> lol
[12:05] <mjt> eg, to scan more hosts, to send itself via email, to install an open proxy or to send spam - no need in root privileges.  To start on every boot, add a line into ~/.profile. and so on
[12:05] <ogra> mjt: but lets stop this now..... you wont leave your position and i wont leave mine
[12:05] <ferris> hey, one question about linux and viruses....
[12:05] <ogra> ferris: grr
[12:05] <ferris> lol
[12:05] <ferris> jk
[12:05] <ogra> *g*
[12:07] <kayali> hi there
[12:08] <mjt> there aren't many viruses, but they do exists (not that there's much "use" of them for their writers except of "gee, i'm great hacker" attitude).  but it does not mean there's no need to "worry" (whatever) about "linux viruses".  a virusscanner nowadays is really overkill, but the rule is: BE SMART. that's it, nothing more...
[12:08] <xskoulax> ahhh i think me an mjt are on the same page afterall
[12:09] <mjt> and that "be smart" is especially important for developers...
[12:09] <mjt> heh
[12:11] <Setite> well ive never gotten a deadly virus on windows... since 97... because ive been smart
[12:11] <Setite> and no virus scanner
[12:11] <Setite> just a spyware thing that i whip out if my pc acts weird
[12:12] <Setite> deadly meaning needing to reinstall windows, reformat or such... there was that one mp3 virus in the napster days that pissed me off
[12:12] <thoreauputic> Setite: well, you didn't really need a virus to have windows crash in 1997 :)
[12:12] <kayali> Setite: well... how would a smart person avoid a worm that installs automagically through some RPC service, with no user action? (think blaster...) ?
[12:12] <xskoulax> lol @ thoreauputic
[12:12] <Setite> RPC?
[12:12] <Agrajag> remote procedure call
[12:12] <Setite> smart and lucky then
[12:13] <Setite> and how would one get that
[12:13] <Agrajag> not lucky
[12:13] <kayali> indeed lucky ;)
[12:13] <GentleHatemonger> anybody have a recommendation as far as a firewall goes?
[12:13] <Setite> i dunno if i have any RPC services runnign
[12:13] <Agrajag> just dumb on the part of MS
[12:13] <xskoulax> or just in the dark about what your mechine is really up tp
[12:13] <xskoulax> to
[12:13] <Setite> gentle... a good router works for the most part
[12:13] <kayali> Setite: those were running by default on all windows boxen ;)
[12:13] <GentleHatemonger> yes, but I want a software one as well
[12:13] <Agrajag> their RPC implementation has more holes than a chuck pahlaniuk novel
[12:13] <kayali> Setite: don't ask why
[12:13] <Setite> oh... i probably dont have it then
[12:13] <Setite> i run slipstreamed warez windows
[12:13] <kayali> LSD?
[12:14] <Setite> its heavily modified
[12:14] <Setite> nemesis
[12:14] <mjt> it was long ago when i installed win the last time.. but the first thing i always did was to inspect all services running and turn off about 3/4 of them
[12:14] <Setite> i dont know what he does... but i know he has alot of worthless, unsafe stuff disabled and/or removed
[12:15] <mjt> after that, machine runs alot faster too...
[12:15] <Setite> but its just what i use until I have the balls to jump to linux
[12:15] <kayali> ok, today is my hoary day... hope I'll survive ;)
[12:15] <Setite> mjt... isnt that the truth
[12:15] <Setite> i killed alot of services and this pc finally performs as it should... still could be faster... but its a celeron and winxp... what can i expect
[12:15] <xskoulax> a switch to linux in the future?
[12:17] <xskoulax> if windows dosn't install right this time, I'm going to have to find out what games are supported with winex/cedega, and open an ebay account to flog the rest
[12:17] <mjt> that RPC and other services stuff is really vendor's fault: don't turn everything on by default, and that's where we have a way for improvements
[12:44] <mjt> so, anyone know which package "messes up" with devmapper in ubuntu?
[12:44] <Setite> happy corporately influenced consumer driven holidays to all
[12:45] <mjt> that problem with /dev/hdb1 mounting which briansanders4 was seeing -- the device really was busy, used by devmapper layer for some yet unknown reason - i'm curious which package thinks the partition is a part of some devmapper device..
[12:46] <mjt> it wasn't trivial to figure out why it was busy... ;)
[12:47] <kayali> damn, ubuntu is making me love gnome... how beautiful it is...
[12:48] <huttan> hmm, anyone know if gaim supports webcam?
[12:48] <kayali> huttan: it doesnt
[12:49] <kayali> huttan: however, gaim-vv is trying to...
[12:49] <huttan> ah, thanks...i'll check that up
[12:49] <kayali> huttan: still very alpha though :)
[12:49] <huttan> kayali, if i get 1 look of this girl live it will be enough :p
[12:55] <Setite> does gaim have IRC?
[12:56] <ctd> yes
[12:56] <Setite> i think i want to try a ubuntu live cd
[12:56] <Setite> is there one?
[12:56] <ctd> yes
[12:56] <ArCHoNKoG> what is the latest verion of gnome thoes ubuntu has
[12:57] <Setite> 2.8?
[12:57] <ctd> 2.9 (in Hoary)
[12:57] <Setite> yea hoary is newer
[12:57] <Setite> hey ctd... following patterns Hoary final release will have 2.10 right?
[12:58] <ctd> yes
[12:58] <Setite> cool
[12:58] <ctd> Ubuntu & GNOME run off the same release schedule.. infact.. the same release manager, too.
[12:58] <ArCHoNKoG> and ubuntu is debian based ?
[12:58] <ctd> ArCHoNKoG: yes
[12:58] <Setite> where do i get the livecd
[12:58] <Setite> indeed it is debian... woo hoo
[12:58] <ArCHoNKoG> hmmm
[12:58] <Setite> i like the selection that affords
[12:59] <ctd> Setite: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ or various mirrors
[12:59] <ArCHoNKoG> latest kernel also ?
[12:59] <Setite> im confused
[12:59] <Setite> where is the livecd
[12:59] <Setite> whats it under
[01:00] <ctd> Setite: http://archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/warty/release/warty-live-i386.iso
[01:00] <ArCHoNKoG> what isthe site so i can see the list of ports
[01:00] <ctd> ArCHoNKoG: Something along the 2.6 line
[01:00] <Setite> release ok
[01:00] <ArCHoNKoG> or where the pakages list is
[01:01] <Setite> under releases.,.. is there a difference from the folders labeled by name or version?>
[01:01] <ctd> re-phrase?
[01:02] <Setite> like there is hoary and warty, but also 4.10 and 5.04
[01:02] <Setite> now i know 4.10 is warty
[01:02] <Setite> and 5.04 is hoary
[01:02] <Setite> but why does it have 4 folders
[01:02] <Setite> http://archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/
[01:02] <Setite> there is 4.10, 5.04, warty, and hoary folders... i dont get it
[01:03] <Setite> looks like they have the same stuff in them... hmmm
[01:03] <ctd> Setite: hoary & warty are just symlinks to their appropriate version number.
[01:03] <Setite> should i try the hoary live cd?
[01:03] <ArCHoNKoG> ubuntu is forcused on gnome ?
[01:03] <Setite> oh symlinks... ok
[01:03] <Setite> arch yes
[01:03] <ctd> ArCHoNKoG: yes
[01:03] <ArCHoNKoG> nice ok
[01:03] <ArCHoNKoG> what version should i downlaod
[01:03] <ctd> Setite: Not unless your prepared for something to not work
[01:03] <Setite> yea thats what im wondering
[01:04] <Setite> oh ok
[01:04] <Setite> like what wont work
[01:04] <ctd> ArCHoNKoG: warty
[01:04] <Setite> ive never had hardware problems at all to this date
[01:04] <ArCHoNKoG> has long it supports my video card
[01:04] <ArCHoNKoG> i don't care
[01:04] <ctd> Setite: Anything may or may not.
[01:04] <Setite> but since i already downloaded the 64bit warty for my other rig i might as well get the 32bit warty livecd
[01:05] <Setite> will hoary react differently/
[01:05] <Setite> or look different
[01:05] <Setite> i plan to install ubuntu on my main rig next weekend... for now im just getting by on the family pc... i hate this thing
[01:05] <etorix> hoary is dev version .. some stuph may not work
[01:06] <ctd> hoary won't be *that* much better for a livecd.
[01:06] <Setite> nvm their is no hoary livecd
[01:07] <ctd> "there" :)
[01:07] <Setite> i just want to see ubuntu before next weekend as i imagine it will be different from the fedora core 3 64 and suse 32 9.2 livecd ive already tried
[01:07] <Setite> and for now im not doing anything that is necessarily windows only...
[01:07] <Setite> i should get my mp3s on a cd real quick though
[01:09] <Setite> that was my mistake with suse livecd... i had nothing i could do on it
[01:10] <Setite> so ctd... you have windows in your home at all?
[01:11] <Setite> haha we have a comedian in the room
[01:11] <Setite> im just trying to see how many folks are liberated... im especially looking for liberated gamers
[01:11] <mjt> liberared?
[01:11] <Setite> and no i dont consider tux racer to be a game
[01:11] <Setite> liberated
[01:11] <Setite> free
[01:12] <mjt> heh
[01:12] <etorix> ha ha
[01:12] <Setite> of the grip which MS holds so firm
[01:12] <mjt> i played hard some 20 years ago..
[01:12] <Setite> they are getting their ass kicked in europe it seems
[01:12] <speel> liberated games? lol what does that mean free gamers?
[01:12] <xskoulax> lol @ mjt
[01:12] <Setite> grrrrr
[01:12] <Setite> think abotu it man
[01:13] <Setite> im talking about gamers who successfully use linux and have no need to hop over to windows to game
[01:13] <Setite> context man context!
[01:13] <speel> lol
[01:13] <Setite> their legal/turf war win linspire in europe is quite amusing
[01:13] <ArCHoNKoG> xorg or xfree for ubuntu
[01:13] <Setite> both?
[01:14] <speel> well if game companys succesfully port there games to linux people woulent use win
[01:14] <ArCHoNKoG> for install ?
[01:14] <mjt> not both, they conflicts with each other
[01:14] <Setite> speel... not gonna happen
[01:14] <Setite> mjt... a review i read said somethign to that effect... so i wasnt sure...
[01:14] <speel> might .. you have unreal tournament and doom 3 both huge games and avalible on linux
[01:14] <xskoulax> bah europe should just outlaw microsoft fullstop
[01:15] <Setite> speel... it wont happen... until their is a universal thing that beats directx we may never see natively compatible games for linux
[01:15] <Setite> on the widescale
[01:15] <Setite> yea but those are two of how many games
[01:15] <speel> well thats why we have consoles :D
[01:15] <Setite> but consoles dont live up....
[01:15] <Setite> ill just pray that cedega can keep up
[01:15] <mjt> i think linux isn't quite ready for games (unless you have really fast machine which can run wine/whatever)
[01:15] <Setite> yea i have one...
[01:16] <mjt> but modern games already require fast machine
[01:16] <Setite> amd64 3200 dtr overclocked to 2500mhz and a 6800GT slighly overclocked
[01:16] <Setite> thats another thing...
[01:16] <Setite> linuxers dont necessarily need TOTL pc's
[01:16] <xskoulax> TOTL?
[01:17] <speel> lol i rather have madden 05 for ps2 then comp or nfsu2 for ps2
[01:17] <Setite> so that also causes developers to shy from linux... because it has such a free/cheap aspect
[01:17] <Setite> top of the line
[01:17] <Setite> trying to save space... sorry
[01:17] <xskoulax> ahhh
[01:17] <mjt> and btw, i don't have windows - both at home and at work.  Well, i have a win partition here which i use to "debug" new worms/viruses
[01:18] <Setite> xskoulax... no worries... most people dont know what it means... i just put it out there and hope people dont ask
[01:18] <Setite> time for more turkey
[01:19] <speel> what i kinda find funny is people who buy alien ware 2000$ comps just to play games ... that is so sad
[01:19] <xskoulax> yea that is sad
[01:19] <squeegy> why is it sad?
[01:20] <speel> 2 grand just to play games? .. lol just buy a xbox or ps2 for 150
[01:20] <xskoulax> its a waste of money squeegy
[01:20] <squeegy> i agree it's a waste of money
[01:20] <mjt> xbox is a fast pc, yeah... ;)
[01:20] <squeegy> but fail to see why it is sad
[01:20] <gwildor> you could build a gaming box just as good/better for much less
[01:20] <squeegy> xbox is a slow pc
[01:20] <xskoulax> you could play those games at same level or damn close to it for less
[01:21] <speel> yea for 150$ lol
[01:21] <squeegy> kids who buy alienware buy it for the "image"
[01:21] <gwildor> and that is sad
[01:21] <speel> that to
[01:22] <Setite> people who buy alienware are fools
[01:22] <gwildor> lol
[01:22] <Setite> i spend too much money on gaming as it is....
[01:22] <squeegy> they just don't know any better
[01:22] <mjt> a friend of mine uses xboxes as servers at his office - about 10 of them
[01:22] <gwildor> maybe one of their laptops.....if you needed to game that badly
[01:22] <Setite> but people who buy alienware and dell xps gamers scare me
[01:22] <speel> lol
[01:22] <Setite> i mean its just cheaper to build them yourself
[01:22] <gwildor> Xbox;s as servers...what a grand idea
[01:23] <Setite> similar systems to the dells and alienwares can be created for 500+ dollars less...
[01:23] <squeegy> Setite: heh, i don't think people buying alienware pc's know how to build a pc themselves
[01:23] <Setite> you pay for the name with alienware... with dell i dunno what you pay for
[01:23] <squeegy> alienware serves it's market well
[01:23] <Setite> i think people who buy alienwares.. should pay me to build them...
[01:24] <mjt> they're somewhat unreliable for that usage (i for one will never use non-ecc memory on any server, or ide disks for that matter)
[01:24] <Setite> also alienware and voodoo and such... laptops... are just screaming to be stolen
[01:24] <squeegy> Setite: will you give them a warranty though?   David Wallace for president
[01:45] <Setite> xskoulax - i was wondering that since we started
[01:45] <Setite> hehe
[01:45] <speel> hey any unbutu developers in here?
[01:45] <Dzogi> a bug ? :)
[01:46] <speel> nah just wanna see what there up to :)
[01:46] <speel> distro wise
[01:46] <speel> guess not
[01:47] <squeegy> read the mailing list ubuntu-devel
[01:47] <ogra> speel: see all the conference pages on the wiki, the conference just endet at 18th there is a lot of stuff
[01:47] <xskoulax> how was attendance?
[01:47] <ogra> gerat ;)
[01:47] <speel> ah ok thanks ;)
[01:49] <xskoulax> nice
[01:51] <speel> cant wait till the next release :) finally xorg then
[01:51] <xskoulax> anyone know if ati/nvidia are going to do drivers for Xorg
[01:52] <xskoulax> ?
[01:52] <squeegy> the nvidia drivers work for xorg
[01:52] <squeegy> and quite beautifully
[01:52] <ogra> they already committed to do it...not like ati
[01:52] <speel> lol ati
[01:52] <squeegy> especially with RenderAccel turned on and all the composite goodness
[01:54] <Setite> what is xorg
[01:54] <xskoulax> anyways i suppose i ought to go watch the Denver Broncos game, and eat turkey and stuff
[01:54] <Setite> nvm i probably have an explanation in an ebook
[01:58] <etorix> ati are committed to xorg drivers
[01:58] <Setite> really
[01:58] <Setite> thats surprising
[01:58] <Setite> they havent seemed very commited to linux up to this point
[01:59] <etorix> sometime in jan .. apparently
[01:59] <etorix> well check in #ati
[02:00] <etorix> their linux guy runs debian
[02:00] <Setite> ok
[02:00] <Setite> huh?
[02:00] <Setite> who ati's linux guy
[02:00] <ogra> etorix: you know him ?
[02:00] <etorix> im not saying the drivers will work
[02:00] <etorix> no
[02:01] <ogra> sad
[02:01] <Setite> is it too much to ask that they have more than one lonely guy in a closet sized office in the linux department
[02:01] <ogra> you could convince him to ubuntu
[02:01] <ogra> if you knew him....
[02:02] <etorix> ubuntu64 has to work for me first ..
[02:02] <Setite> its not?
[02:02] <etorix> nope
[02:02] <Setite> why
[02:03] <etorix> ok first ting in dmesg is :no method found to access hardware clock
[02:03] <etorix> then theres the nvidia drivers issue
[02:03] <etorix>  this IS hoary array 2
[02:04] <GoneBoB> etorix: I got that once, next time I booted, it worked
[02:04] <etorix> so its a dev version
[02:04] <Setite> hoary... well did it work in warty
[02:04] <Setite> whats the difference between array 1 and 2
[02:04] <etorix> it never worked on mine
[02:04] <etorix> i guess array 2 is newer
[02:05] <etorix> dunno .. its the first iso i try
[02:06] <etorix> im still interested tho .. next time ill do a debootstrap
[02:06] <Cloudchaser> when does hoary come out?
[02:06] <ogra> april
[02:06] <Cloudchaser> yikes
[02:06] <Cloudchaser> i thought it was earlier
[02:07] <Cloudchaser> i'm thinking i have to try yet another distro :(
[02:07] <ogra> come on , its a 6 months release cycle
[02:07] <Cloudchaser> i guess there's no one linux that can do it all
[02:07] <Cloudchaser> i know it is ogra
[02:07] <ogra> what is _it_ ?
[02:07] <Cloudchaser> i just didn't know when the 6 months startead ;)
[02:08] <ogra> in oct....
[02:08] <Cloudchaser> ah
[02:08] <ogra> 4.10
[02:08] <ogra> oct. 2004
[02:08] <Cloudchaser> oh! i see
[02:08] <Cloudchaser> :)
[02:08] <Cloudchaser> well there's 2 things so far i've found i can't do
[02:08] <speel> man i hope ubuntu becomes huge
[02:08] <Cloudchaser> one is browse network and copy files to other pcs via file manager
[02:09] <Cloudchaser> the other is my palm issue
[02:09] <ogra> hmm, works for me
[02:09] <kayali> Cloudchaser: you mean gnome can't browse samba shares?
[02:09] <ogra> i saw your mail....
[02:09] <Cloudchaser> yes
[02:09] <Cloudchaser> but it could on redhat
[02:10] <Cloudchaser> i've been reading people have issue but no solutions
[02:11] <Cloudchaser> and then there's things no linuxes will do...like garmin mapsource
[02:11] <bob2> which bug # did these people file?
[02:11] <Cloudchaser> i don't know whats a bug an whats my own stupidity ;)
[02:12] <speel> lol
[02:12] <Cloudchaser> :)
[02:13] <kquamme94> how's everyone doing?
[02:14] <kayali> Cloudchaser: are you running hoary?
[02:14] <Cloudchaser> no
[02:14] <kayali> I just noticed hoary broke samba browsing for me ;)
[02:15] <Cloudchaser> its broke in warty too
[02:15] <kayali> I can still 'connect to server'
[02:15] <Cloudchaser> least on mine
[02:15] <kayali> though
[02:16] <kquamme94> hey guys, what's the URL for the repository that has all the other codecs and stuff
[02:16] <ogra> Cloudchaser: for your palm (there is a solution in one of the mails in the thread): http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/002737.html
[02:16] <kquamme94> that ubuntu can't host
[02:16] <bob2> kquamme94: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:16] <bob2> (that' in the FAQ)
[02:16] <speel> kquamme94: http://www.myjavaserver.com/~mike001/ubuntu/#extrarepositories
[02:17] <Cloudchaser> i read that thread i think..i must have missed the solution
[02:17] <kquamme94> ty......i found it b4 but had to do a reinstall and forgot where it was
[02:17] <speel> its coo :)
[02:18] <ogra> speel: its not, this guide is full of errors and needs urgent correction
[02:18] <ogra> speel: not the repo part tho
[02:19] <speel> what part of it has an error
[02:19] <Cloudchaser> ogra it shows one guy got his treo to sync eventuall with alot of tries
[02:20] <Cloudchaser> but once i hit hte sync button if it doesn't sync the palm hangs
[02:20] <Cloudchaser> and i have to reset it..
[02:20] <Cloudchaser> and thats with the pilot applet that syncs to evolution
[02:20] <Cloudchaser> i tried modprobe usbserial...that had no effect
[02:21] <ogra> speel: about a third of the stuff i saw (and i read only a third of it first time today) ...
[02:21] <speel> oo
[02:21] <Cloudchaser> so there really wasn't any answer in that thread
[02:21] <ogra> speel: i.e. udo ln -s /dev/ttyUSB1 /dev/pilot
[02:21] <ogra> oh, sudo
[02:22] <Cloudchaser> done that
[02:22] <ogra> chopped
[02:22] <bob2> Cloudchaser: what was the subject of the thread you started on the user list?
[02:22] <ogra> Cloudchaser: dont
[02:22] <ogra> !!
[02:22] <Cloudchaser> why?
[02:22] <drspin> heh - is there a program that offers functionality similar to iTunes...
[02:22] <Cloudchaser> i read 3 other how-to's for it that also said to link to /dev/visor and /dev/palm
[02:22] <drspin> mostly the playlist/file management abilities
[02:22] <GoneBoB> drspin: rhythmbox
[02:22] <Cloudchaser> i did get it to sync...once
[02:22] <ogra> and this one is really bad: sudo gedit /etc/sudoers
[02:23] <etorix> drspin:  several of them try ..
[02:23] <Cloudchaser> but i guess i didn't do the right dance combo again to get it to work a second time
[02:23] <drspin> Rhythmbox doesn't even allow me to press the letter "t" to search to the t's
[02:24] <drspin> I have a HUGE music library and Rhythmbox isn't ready yet! but it's a GREAT start!
[02:24] <drspin> etorix :: for example??
[02:24] <bob2> muine, for example
[02:25] <bob2> I'm yet to see something as useful as cplay, tho
[02:25] <etorix> ok juk , but my favorite is xfmedia .. which comes with xfce4
[02:25] <ogra> speel: this is also a real bad one: Replace with the following line
[02:25] <ogra> your_system_username    ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL
[02:25] <speel> dor what one is that
[02:26] <ogra> speel: makes your system insecure
[02:26] <Cloudchaser> ogra, the topic was syncing Treo 90 with Jpilot
[02:26] <ogra> Cloudchaser: bob2 asked iirc
[02:26] <bob2> well, it's only a bit less secure than the defaultsudo setup
[02:26] <Cloudchaser> oh
[02:26] <Cloudchaser> :)
[02:26] <ogra> bob2: butnothing to advise in a newbie guide
[02:26] <bob2> I'm not sure why you'd even bother mentioning it
[02:27] <bob2> since by default you have sudo access anyway
[02:27] <LeeColleton> I'm at a loss to get my modem working... it's a cirus logic PnP v34 hardware modem in an ISA slot.  wvdial doesn't pick it up.  Any suggestions?
[02:27] <ogra> bob2: ask the guy that wrote the ubuntuguide, its full of such crap
[02:28] <Cloudchaser> i found alot of useful information in the ubuntu guide
[02:28] <Cloudchaser> i was very grateful for it too
[02:28] <bob2> erk
[02:28] <Cloudchaser> there's a thread in the ubuntu forums where he takes suggestions and corrections i think
[02:28] <bob2> some of the examples are pretty terrible
[02:28] <ogra> yep
[02:29] <ogra> heh: # Follow the instructions on screen till
[02:29] <ogra> [!!]  Partition disks
[02:29] <ogra> so do i first partition my disks befor the next step ???
[02:30] <drspin> muine looks promising... is there a package available for it in the repository/
[02:30] <drspin> ??
[02:30] <bob2> oh, GPL, sanity
[02:30] <ogra> btw: this was under topic: How to use Ubuntu Installation CD, to gain root user access?
[02:31] <LeeColleton> there's nothing in the ubuntuguide about modems :-(
[02:31] <bob2> drspin: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[02:31] <LeeColleton> that seems pretty basic
[02:31] <bob2> LeeColleton: have you asked on the list yet?
[02:31] <bob2> I'm sure whoever wrote it would take a patch
[02:31] <LeeColleton> bob2: no.. I looked over the archives though.  I'll ask there.
[02:32] <ogra> hmmm ....... How to modify kernel boot-up arguments, to gain root user access?
[02:32] <ogra> weird
[02:32] <bob2> oh man
[02:32] <bob2> it explains how to do apt-get upgrade out of cron
[02:32] <ogra> heh
[02:32] <bob2> er, actually, at least the way it's explained it won't actually work
[02:32] <ogra> i get upset if i read it to long.....
[02:33] <ogra> it makes the "just works" approach an absurd thing
[02:34] <Marshall[A] > http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8000/listen.pls [BlackBoxz Radio]  [Server Status] :  Server is currently up and public.
[02:35] <Cloudchaser> ogra what do you mean?
[02:35] <bob2> Marshall[A] : go away
[02:36] <Cloudchaser> some things just work in ubuntu and thats really good..but somethings don't "just work" until you do something more ;)
[02:36] <ogra> Cloudchaser: ubuntu has commited itself to make everything "just work" and to offer easy to use tools for all tasks...lots of them are already there
[02:36] <bob2> which should be fixed
[02:36] <bob2> please file bugs
[02:36] <Cloudchaser> from what i've seen so far...its doing very well so far
[02:37] <ogra> Cloudchaser: but the guide just igores this
[02:37] <Cloudchaser> how so ogra?
[02:37] <speel> ubuntu is the shiznas its the only distro that makes everything work except for the broken cds they sent me lol
[02:37] <Cloudchaser> things like media and java and stuff have to be added separately cause of licensing
[02:37] <ogra> Cloudchaser: so the approach is useless because nobody uses the tools, asks for enhancements or files bugs
[02:38] <Cloudchaser> what tools?
[02:38] <bob2> speel: er, are you sure?
[02:38] <Cloudchaser> i'd file some bugs if i know they were bugs and not me being stupid or ignorant
[02:38] <Cloudchaser> but i don't know alot of times
[02:38] <speel> yea .. well there not broken but things dont work
[02:39] <bob2> for example?
[02:39] <Cloudchaser> because on red hat 9 for example..i install samba
[02:39] <Cloudchaser> and i can browse the network and copy things to shares via the file manager
[02:39] <Cloudchaser> but in ubuntu i can't
[02:39] <speel> well for exaple applications would close for no reason and ive tryed diffrent cds they sent me all the same issue cept for the one cd which i burned my self
[02:39] <ogra> Cloudchaser: if you install samba you install a server....
[02:39] <bob2> Cloudchaser: no, that isn't samba
[02:40] <ogra> Cloudchaser: has nothing to do with network browsing
[02:40] <bob2> speel: do the md5sums of the cds match?
[02:40] <Cloudchaser> i did that ogra and from command line i can do things but not from file manager or from the network browser
[02:40] <speel> ah i dident check =/
[02:40] <Cloudchaser> ogra thats where my ignorance comes into play
[02:40] <ogra> Cloudchaser: did you file a bug about that ?
[02:40] <ogra> Cloudchaser: so it can get fixed ?
[02:41] <Cloudchaser> because i don't know what it is that is wrong
[02:41] <Cloudchaser> "it doesn't work" isn't a good way to file a bug ;)
[02:41] <ogra> Cloudchaser: thats not your job....its up to the devs
[02:41] <Cloudchaser> i read in the forums that many have the same problem
[02:41] <ogra> Cloudchaser: but if they dont know about it....
[02:41] <Cloudchaser> ah ok..many times when folks say something doesn't work
[02:41] <ogra> they miss to file bugs
[02:42] <Cloudchaser> people want more info and get kind of touchy because you didn't provide it
[02:42] <Cloudchaser> so i get kind of leery of getting jumped on ;)
[02:42] <Cloudchaser> ok so i'm at the bugzilla
[02:42] <Cloudchaser> now...you say its not samba thats the problem
[02:43] <Cloudchaser> so i search on...'network browsing' for one?
[02:43] <ogra> Cloudchaser: nobody in ubuntu will get "touchy": http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/
[02:43] <ogra> Cloudchaser: the filemanager is called nautilus :)
[02:43] <drspin> sigh - another wait for all my songs to add -- I'm trying muine...
[02:44] <Cloudchaser> :is that the network browsing thing too? thats nautilus?
[02:44] <bob2> cplay!
[02:44] <ogra> yep
[02:44] <Cloudchaser> nautilus smb browsing in hoary fails to show files
[02:45] <Cloudchaser> ok there's one reported
[02:45] <Cloudchaser> nautilus crash when writing on smbfs
[02:45] <ogra> Cloudchaser: but you are using warty....
[02:45] <ogra> i guess
[02:45] <Cloudchaser> yes
[02:45] <ogra> so its only reported for hoary currently
[02:45] <Cloudchaser> oh
[02:46] <Cloudchaser> is there a different place?
[02:46] <Cloudchaser> to report it for hoary?
[02:46] <bob2> no
[02:46] <ogra> regading that you say that many ppl have this bug thats really sad
[02:46] <Cloudchaser> i did searches to see if i could find an answer
[02:47] <Cloudchaser> but no answer, just questions
[02:48] <ogra> thats my point, obviously nobody reported it for warty, now warty is stable and recieves only security updates.....
[02:48] <ogra> ...sad thing
[02:48] <Cloudchaser> oh i see
[02:48] <Cloudchaser> i just got ubuntu couple weeks ago
[02:48] <Cloudchaser> and was so impressed it detected everything on my old laptop ;)
[02:48] <ogra> :)
[02:48] <Cloudchaser> even my wireless
[02:49] <ogra> wow, great to hear
[02:49] <Cloudchaser> and my usb mouse and then my corless mouse
[02:49] <Cloudchaser> and i love the way it looks
[02:49] <ogra> so its olny these two issues ?
[02:49] <Cloudchaser> so if i'm complaining its just because...i'm going farther with it :)
[02:49] <Cloudchaser> so far those two only
[02:50] <Cloudchaser> see...i lost all my palm info cause after i re-did my laptop i discovered i had forgotten to save the palm back up
[02:50] <Cloudchaser> then...i lost all my data ;)
[02:50] <Cloudchaser> so now
[02:50] <Cloudchaser> i want to install all my apps to the palm again
[02:50] <Cloudchaser> and sync regularly and make backups to my new SD card that santa brought me
[02:50] <ogra> :)
[02:51] <Cloudchaser> and i have a big hard drive my son got me that holds files and other apps that don't work on windows
[02:51] <Cloudchaser> i mean don't work in linux
[02:51] <Cloudchaser> like my gps apps
[02:52] <Cloudchaser> when hoary goes stable...i'll report any bugs i find ;)
[02:52] <Cloudchaser> but until april i'm thinking i'm just stuck
[02:53] <ogra> do it in feb or march... if its stable the same situation as it is for warty now applies
[02:54] <GoneBoB> Cloudchaser: the whole point of unstable is the have bugs
[02:54] <GoneBoB> then they're reported
[02:54] <GoneBoB> and fixed
[02:54] <Cloudchaser> oh ok so upgrade to hoary in february?
[02:54] <Cloudchaser> is there a list of hoary bug reports?
[02:54] <GoneBoB> yes
[02:54] <Cloudchaser> i'd like to see if it was reported in that
[02:54] <GoneBoB> at bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[02:54] <ogra> Cloudchaser: that would be a good way... its more stable then, but you also can help
[02:54] <GoneBoB> iirc
[02:55] <Cloudchaser> thats where i am ogra
[02:56] <Setite> i dont understand bug reports
[02:56] <Setite> ive seen some i do
[02:56] <Setite> but one was a bunch of nonsense and seemingly no words
[02:57] <ogra> Setite: if you make one, make it as you like ;)
[02:57] <bob2> "bunch of nonsense"?
[02:58] <Setite> yea
[02:58] <Setite> it was like an error output
[02:58] <Setite> but from my view i had no idea what went wrong
[02:58] <Setite> i wasnt able to decipher what file/device/program or anything had what problem
[02:58] <spacey`ki> hello
[03:00] <speel> hi
[03:00] <Crane|AFK> hello all
[03:00] <speel> hi
[03:00] <Crane|AFK> evrery one had a good christmas?
[03:00] <Setite> sure
[03:00] <speel> yup yup
[03:00] <Setite> my folks are watching a christmas carol for like the 50th time in their lives
[03:00] <jono> hi all
[03:00] <jono> merry christmas
[03:01] <Crane> hello
[03:01] <Setite> happy corporately influenced consumer driven holidays
[03:01] <Setite> ;)
[03:01] <jono> I have changes sources.list to hoary, and when I update and dist upgrade, I can't download linux-restricted-modules for some reason - it gives a 404 on it, any clues?
[03:02] <bob2> your mirror may be broken
[03:02] <bob2> or in the midle of a mirror pulse
[03:02] <Crane> I think I'm gonna paly a littel quake3
[03:02] <GoneBoB> what version
[03:02] <Crane> little
[03:02] <jono> its archive.ubuntu.com
[03:03] <Riddell> jono: which linux-restricted-modules, there are many
[03:03] <jono> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.9
[03:03] <drspin> so far I like muine --
[03:03] <drspin> wish it played AAC and did some file management stuff --
[03:04] <Riddell> jono: there's five of them, which one are you getting?
[03:04] <jono> thats the name of the package
[03:05] <Cloudchaser> ok here's a question..if i go to the "computer/network i can see my shares, but haven't mounted them yet...should i be able to use the file manager to copy files to/from or do they need to be mounted?
[03:06] <jono> any ideas?
[03:06] <bob2> AAC's a fairly unsupportable format
[03:06] <jono> no idea why it won't see the package
[03:06] <bob2> it's best to stick to things that aren't quite so heavily encumbered
[03:06] <bob2> jono: just wait a bit
[03:06] <bob2> jono: if it's not fixed soon, check if you're behind a broken proxy
[03:06] <jono> bob2, ok, I will upgrade tomorrow
[03:06] <ogra> Cloudchaser: you just need to open the shares... they mount automatically (normally)
[03:06] <jono> bob2, I am not behind a proxy
[03:06] <jono> have a good christmas all
[03:07] <Riddell> jono: there's no linux-restricted-modules-2.6.9-1, but there is linux-restricted-modules-2.6.9-1-386 and 686 etc
[03:07] <Cloudchaser> they mount automatically without me having to have an fstab entry?
[03:07] <drspin> why can't I get my resolution to 1152x864 @85hz?? it works in windws
[03:07] <jono> Riddell, this is 2.6.9-1 386
[03:07] <ogra> Cloudchaser: if you see them already, very likely yes
[03:07] <drspin> max it will show me it 1024x768
[03:08] <bob2> I'm pretty sure nautilus doesn't mount them
[03:08] <jono> hmm
[03:08] <bob2> it just makes them available via gnome-vfs
[03:08] <Cloudchaser> ok i can see the shares but when i double click on one it pops up message: The folder contents could not be displayed. You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "Windows Network: chrisibm".
[03:08] <ogra> k, true, but it appears as they are mounted
[03:09] <Cloudchaser> ok so then i mount them via the command line
[03:09] <Cloudchaser> then i can ls the contents
[03:09] <Cloudchaser> and i can cp a file to it
[03:09] <stuNNed> anyone else having troubles with ssh in unstable?
[03:09] <ogra> Cloudchaser: if you make an fstab entry, you can also see / mount them from the disks window
[03:10] <Riddell> jono: hang on a couple of minutes, I'll see if I can download it
[03:10] <jono> Riddell, cheers
[03:10] <bob2> stuNNed: if they had, they'd have reported it to the bts...
[03:11] <drspin> do you have to be a member to get Cadega (wineX) now???
[03:11] <jono> hi neuro_
[03:12] <ogra> drspin: was it ever free.... ?
[03:12] <bob2> drspin: you have to pay for binaries, yes
[03:12] <spacey`ki> funny thing wierd timezone shit. its too late around here. /me zz:)
[03:12] <neuro_> Nollaig Chridheil and all that :)
[03:12] <drspin> ogra: aye - it used to be free right when they came out with point-2-play -- used to use it all the time!
[03:12] <jono> neuro_, :)
[03:12] <ogra> spacey`ki: 3:12 here
[03:12] <spacey`ki> same herE:)
[03:12] <Cloudchaser> ok ogra i mounted the share
[03:12] <bob2> you can download some of the source from SF
[03:12] <neuro_> 2:12 here
[03:12] <spacey`ki> guess i'm just a bit too wasted then to find it late:)
[03:12] <Riddell> neuro_: and a happy boxing day tae yersel
[03:13] <drspin> I need the whole thing...
[03:13] <ogra> Cloudchaser: fine :)
[03:13] <drspin> LOL
[03:13] <Cloudchaser> but in the "Disks" it shows "windows network"
[03:13] <bob2> and they had claimed they would free the whole thing after a certain number of copies were bought
[03:13] <neuro_> woo, boxing day
[03:13] <Cloudchaser> and i can't access it
[03:13] <Riddell> jono: works perfectly for me
[03:13] <jono> Riddell, really?
[03:13] <Riddell> jono: try and apt-get update maybe?
[03:13] <drspin> bob2 -- and no one is buying them because they, like me, will wait till it's free ;)
[03:14] <Cloudchaser> if i go to filesystem/mnt/share..it shows nothing
[03:14] <gwildor> hi
[03:14] <Riddell> hmm, I seem to have just installed a new linux build, if my computer won't boot any more I'll blame jono
[03:14] <gwildor> how do i take a screenshot from terminal?
[03:14] <Cloudchaser> i guess i have to wait and in the meantime...sneakernet ;(
[03:14] <neuro_> Riddell: blame jono for anything - it's prolly his fault regardless :>
[03:14] <ogra> Cloudchaser: post your fstab/mount line for the share
[03:15] <Cloudchaser> i did it manually...i'll try the fstab entry next
[03:15] <jono> heh
[03:15] <jono> I am doing an apt-get update and its still missing this package
[03:15] <drspin> how can I be sure that my Nvidia install was successful and the display will work properly?
[03:15] <ogra> Cloudchaser: i think you have to mount it with a umask option to make it accessible
[03:15] <neuro_> drspin: you'll see the nvidia logo pop up full screen before X fires up
[03:15] <Cloudchaser> i did
[03:15] <spacey`ki> hmz in hoary i can play music in rhythembox but xine and totem don't make any sound
[03:15] <huttan> drspin, glxinfo |grep string
[03:15] <spacey`ki> ;/
[03:16] <Riddell> jono: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.9-1-386 ?
[03:16] <Cloudchaser> ,dmask=777,fmask=777
[03:16] <ogra> k
[03:16] <ogra> probably umask=000
[03:17] <jono> its definitly missing 2.6.9-1-386
[03:18] <xhaker> whats the current kernel on hoary?
[03:18] <gwildor> how do i take a screenshot from terminal?
[03:19] <drspin> Cadega, the latest version of winex from transgaming.com, cvs download is free. (http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-22057.html)
[03:19] <ogra> gwildor: either take the whole screen and edit it with gimp
[03:20] <gwildor> ogra, idk how to take a screen shot
[03:20] <ogra> gwildor: or take gimp and take a shot from the single win
[03:20] <ogra> gwildor: in warty its in the computer menu
[03:20] <ogra> gwildor: in gimp in the file/acquire menu
[03:20] <gwildor> ogra, im on hoary, and i need to take a SS of my flux setup
[03:21] <gwildor> ogra, kk, ill try gimp
[03:21] <spacey`ki> i think 2.6.9-1 is latest kernel on hoary
[03:21] <drspin> a Cadega CVS howto:: http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?page=1&articleid=45
[03:21] <spacey`ki> ogra, i think alt+ print screen takes screenshot of selected windows
[03:21] <spacey`ki> at least it was screen+somekey
[03:22] <ogra> spacey`ki: in fluxbox ?
[03:22] <drspin> spacey -- that's the ubuntu default ;)
[03:22] <spacey`ki> ogra, works here in gnome:)
[03:22] <ogra> spacey`ki: fluxbox is not gnome
[03:22] <spacey`ki> drspin, i don't know. it seems to work here in ubuntu yes:)
[03:22] <spacey`ki> oh i missed that he was using fluxbox
[03:22] <ogra> not at all
[03:22] <ogra> :)
[03:22] <spacey`ki> but its too late for me:)
[03:23] <spacey`ki> goodnight people:)
[03:23] <ogra> night and merry xmas....
[03:23] <spacey`ki> marry xmas:)
[03:23] <spacey`ki> uhm merry
[03:23] <spacey`ki> :)
[03:28] <edmond> Has anyone had problems with wacom tablets (Graphire), still sticking to the top right after blacklisting evdev?
[03:29] <ogra> edmond: there are bugs about it...look in bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[03:29] <edmond> ok thanks
[03:31] <liquidboy> can anyone tell me, you know how with windows if you want to partition the hd, you have to defrag first, well will i have to do anything to ubuntu (i want to partition again)
[03:31] <edmond> as far as I know, ext3 doesn't fragment, so no worries
[03:31] <edmond> well, doesn't need defragmented
[03:34] <ogra> edmond: seems you have to work a little more to get it to work :(  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WacomTabletIssue
[03:35] <DeepSpaceAnt> I can't fake it, just break it, and when I take it See I specialize in making all the girls get naked
[03:35] <DeepSpaceAnt> ahem..
[03:38] <stuNNed> lol
[03:42] <liquidboy> ok, sweet, just for future refer3ence, what about rieser (spelling?)
[03:42] <UHA-Ultrahex> hey
[03:42] <Agrajag> I'd recommend reiser3 over ext3
[03:42] <Agrajag> reiser4, I haven't tried, wouldn't trust it yet
[03:44] <Setite> damn my next upgrade is gonna cost 671.87
[03:44] <Setite> ouch
[03:44] <UHA-Ultrahex> ok, during Ubuntu install , is there a partition setup area where it setups partitions if you dont want to use the entire Disk
[03:44] <Setite> ah well.. it must be done
[03:47] <Setite> agra
[03:47] <Setite> whats reiser3
[03:47] <Setite> a format?
[03:47] <liquidboy> uha: yes there is, but you might want to use something else if youre a noob... i found it quite confusing (so i just used my mandrake 9 cd to make partitions :P)
[03:48] <Setite> how many formats are there for linux?
[03:48] <UHA-Ultrahex> hehe , i was gonna do mandrake but then my CDS failed
[03:48] <UHA-Ultrahex> and then i said fuck it ill just bring back to store and demand a refund
[03:49] <edmond> ogra: Step 2 doesn't work for me, so I'm stuck. The later steps rely on step 2
[03:49] <UHA-Ultrahex> 10 min and i got Ubuntu
[03:50] <UHA-Ultrahex> is there a partition program for Linux like the one for mandrake (alright if its mode dos style) but im just wondering cause it would be alot of help :)
[03:51] <Setite> is there partition magic for linux?>
[03:51] <edmond> QTparted
[03:51] <UHA-Ultrahex> ya something like that :)
[03:51] <UHA-Ultrahex> or fdisk
[03:51] <UHA-Ultrahex> hehe
[03:51] <ogra> edmond: is the evdev driver not loaded anymore and it doesnt work ?
[03:52] <liquidboy> yep, im pretty sure you can set up partitions during the install...
[03:52] <gwildor> yeah, you can
[03:52] <UHA-Ultrahex> ok thanx
[03:52] <gwildor> UHA-Ultrahex, you can
[03:52] <gwildor> i jsut did it
[03:52] <UHA-Ultrahex> if this doesnt go smooth ill just do some QTparted
[03:52] <UHA-Ultrahex> lol
[03:52] <UHA-Ultrahex> its jsut cause i dont want it to take my entire 160GB
[03:52] <UHA-Ultrahex> lol
[03:52] <UHA-Ultrahex> rather have like 40GB for Linux and rest FAT32 Mounted
[03:52] <ogra> UHA-Ultrahex: but why
[03:53] <edmond> orga: Originally the evdev driver always loaded, now it never loads. And in both cases, the wacom driver was doing the stuck in corner dance
[03:53] <ogra> UHA-Ultrahex: 160  are good for unbuntu *g*
[03:53] <UHA-Ultrahex> ogra: cause im not sure if i want to use linux yet :)
[03:53] <Setite> im ordering a 200giger...
[03:53] <ogra> UHA-Ultrahex: i was just joking
[03:53] <Setite> and then another 200giger in 2 weeks
[03:53] <UHA-Ultrahex> oh ... hehe ogra
[03:54] <Setite> and then after that i may go for some big ones
[03:54] <UHA-Ultrahex> why not just buy a triple terabyte ?
[03:54] <UHA-Ultrahex> its like 2500
[03:54] <Setite> you crazy
[03:54] <ogra> edmond: gets the wacom driver loaded ?
[03:54] <Setite> i dont need that much later...
[03:54] <Setite> yet i mean
[03:54] <UHA-Ultrahex> lol
[03:54] <edmond> ogra: the wacom driver loads
[03:54] <UHA-Ultrahex> so , you will need it you just said didnt you ;)
[03:55] <Setite> efh grso;fgfsdg
[03:55] <UHA-Ultrahex> hahhahaha
[03:55] <edmond> ogra: Im building a new kernel with a patch from bugzilla now
[03:55] <ogra> edmond: what if you load evdev amnually after the wacom driver ?
[03:55] <Setite> but 400 gigs will be enough for now
[03:55] <Setite> problem is i dont know if there will be enough things to fill it on linux
[03:55] <UHA-Ultrahex> i only got 260...
[03:55] <edmond> ogra: it just sits and is still stuck in the corner
[03:55] <ogra> edmond: the site says its just the load order
[03:56] <edmond> ogra: I know :(
[03:56] <ogra> edmond: even you wouldnt need to blacklist ....
[03:56] <valentina> is there some Modconf for Ubuntu? (like debian)
[03:56] <edmond> ogra: pardon?
[03:56] <valentina> I want to know if there's some usb driver
[03:56] <ogra> edmond: the right order in /etc/modules should do it too
[03:57] <Setite> ogra - right order?
[03:57] <edmond> ogra: oh, shall try
[03:57] <Setite> is there an order things must be in /etc/modules
[03:57] <ogra> Setite: the prob is that evdev is loaded before wacom....
[03:57] <edmond> UHA-Ultrahex: geeks - nerd implies socially retarded in some definitions :d
[03:57] <Setite> uha - join the club... in a windows person.. this is all greek to me
[03:57] <sime> is there a php mysql module in ubuntu ?
[03:57] <Setite> hmmm... is the order what we messed up yesterday on carajeans pc?
[03:57] <edmond> sime: yes
[03:58] <UHA-Ultrahex> 2 min
[03:58] <ogra> Setite: nope, we didnt mess up anything...
[03:58] <Setite> we meaning me and cara
[03:58] <valentina> I plug my usb pendrive but it seems Ubuntu doesnt recognize it
[03:58] <ogra> Setite: it was just a typo in the config file anywhere....
[03:58] <edmond> sime: sudo apt-get install mysql-server php4-mysql php4
[03:58] <valentina> do I need to load some driver? if so, how do I?
[03:58] <Setite> well then he made that mistake
[03:59] <Setite> i think he was typing things in individually
[03:59] <Setite> instead of copying and pasting
[03:59] <ogra> valentina: is it in the device manager ?
[03:59] <sime> apt-cache search php4-mysql is empty
[03:59] <ogra> Setite: if he was on another pc its hard to copy n paste
[03:59] <Setite> not the first time around
[04:00] <edmond> sime: sorry my mistake. no need for it. I was just guessing from memory + apt-cache
[04:00] <Setite> first time around he was on ubuntu so he could have copied and pasted
[04:00] <valentina> ogra : let me see
[04:00] <Setite> but judging from how long it took him to respond each time he was off in his own world doing god knows what
[04:00] <sime> edmond, Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect()
[04:01] <Setite> ok livecd is almost done... gonna be restarting
[04:01] <valentina> ogra : I have connected it but device manager doesnt say anything about it
[04:01] <Setite> is gaim on the ubuntu livecd?
[04:01] <ogra> sime: libapache2-mod-php4
[04:01] <valentina> it just says 'usb hub interface, controller, etc'
[04:01] <Setite> shit... its not gonna have mp3 support is it
[04:01] <edmond> sime: bugger.. I havn't tested my conf. Lookup the faq in the chatroom title
[04:01] <Setite> damn
[04:01] <edmond> sime: it has the details
[04:01] <gwildor> Setite, yeah
[04:01] <Setite> there was no use burning the mp3 cd
[04:01] <ogra> sime: ubuntu uses apache2
[04:01] <sime> ogra, php works
[04:02] <Setite> ok brb... gonna boot to the live cd
[04:02] <ogra> sime: so install php4-mysql
[04:02] <sime> is doesn't exist
[04:02] <ogra> sime: should be enough
[04:02] <sime> it*
[04:03] <ogra> sime: on my warty it does...
[04:03] <edmond> sime: it works here
[04:03] <valentina> ogra  any idea?
[04:03] <ogra> sime: is ubiverse enabled ?
[04:03] <sime> explain...
[04:03] <ogra> valentina: tried plugging out and in again ?`
[04:03] <valentina> ogra : I tried, nothing happens
[04:04] <ogra> sime: sorry, universe i mean: see the second screenshot: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[04:04] <ogra> valentina: thats bad.... at least the device manager should show it
[04:05] <valentina> it should show what?
[04:05] <valentina> what should it say ?
[04:05] <valentina> "pendrive connected" or something like that ?
[04:05] <ogra> valentina: your usb stick
[04:05] <valentina> ok
[04:05] <valentina> I'm going to check if USB support is enabled on the bios configuration
[04:05] <valentina> and come back
[04:05] <ogra> valentina: the dev manager has a tree in it... it sould appear there
[04:06] <ogra> k
[04:07] <sime> ogra, im just starting to understand ubuntu's philosophy, i never checked out sources.list, so standard ubuntu only updates security threats
[04:07] <ogra> sime: yep... but universe holds 14000 packages for your fun :)
[04:08] <Setite> this sucks
[04:08] <Setite> im stuck in 640x480
[04:08] <ogra> sime: there is also a mulitverse for legal suspicious software.....
[04:09] <Setite> i saw during the load that it saw the 1024,768 or something....
[04:09] <Setite> why cant i change it
[04:09] <ogra> Setite: your display wasnt probably not detected correctly
[04:10] <Setite> then why did i see the proper resolutions found during loading
[04:10] <Setite> this isnt cool
[04:11] <ogra> Setite: when do you see them ?
[04:11] <Setite> when it said something about my video card... and it said somethign abotu xfree86 vesa driver
[04:11] <Setite> then i saw it list 3 resolutions
[04:11] <ogra> Setite: vesa ?
[04:11] <Setite> 1024x768 800x600 640x480
[04:11] <Setite> yes it said vesa
[04:12] <ogra> Setite: what kind of card is that ?
[04:12] <Setite> every linux ive ran used vesa something to start
[04:12] <Setite> its some intel onboard crap
[04:12] <ogra> Setite: ah, ok
[04:12] <Setite> but on my 6800gt on my other pc a vesa driver loaded by default
[04:12] <Setite> for the livecd im screwed arent i
[04:12] <Setite> no way to fix this?
[04:12] <ogra> tried ctrl-alt-(numpad +/-) ?
[04:13] <Setite> this is a pain
[04:13] <Setite> nothing
[04:14] <ogra> Setite: you are on the live cd ?
[04:14] <Setite> yea
[04:14] <Setite> i decided to try it out
[04:15] <Setite> ive officially experienced my first hardware detection problems
[04:15] <Setite> it wont mount my dvd drive either
[04:15] <ogra> Setite: the next one will be better, i got no idea how to fix it, but i know the improvements that are made right now
[04:16] <Setite> see this one has better things than the suse one
[04:16] <Setite> but the suse worked
[04:17] <EfaistOs> is vim-gtk will be available again soon  ?
[04:17] <Setite> grrr... i want to play tetris but i cant see the whole thing
[04:17] <ogra> EfaistOs: i currently work with it
[04:17] <ogra> EfaistOs: so it is there obviously
[04:18] <ogra> EfaistOs: ah, sorry, its vim-gnome
[04:18] <Setite> i cant even see all of synaptic
[04:18] <Setite> i like the gui idea though
[04:18] <Setite> using YUM in the terminal was a bitch
[04:18] <ogra> EfaistOs: but gtk is also there
[04:19] <EfaistOs> ogra weird .... hoary ?
[04:19] <Setite> ogra... is there a chance it may work better on a restart?
[04:19] <ogra> Setite: its much better at higher res
[04:19] <ogra> EfaistOs: nope, warty
[04:19] <valentina> ogra : it's enabled on the bios
[04:19] <valentina> I've tried with 2 different usb pendrives
[04:19] <EfaistOs> ogra ??
[04:19] <valentina> and nothing happens
[04:19] <ogra> EfaistOs: i use warty
[04:19] <Setite> i know this is killing me... 640x480 reminds me of windows 3.11
[04:20] <valentina> does Ubuntu support USB pendrives by default ?
[04:20] <ogra> valentina: not even in the dev manager ?
[04:20] <Setite> ooh yea... lemme plug in my usb stick mp3 player
[04:20] <valentina> not even in the dev manager.. the dev manager only says "Usb 1.0 controller"
[04:20] <ogra> valentina: it mounts them by default, shows them on the desktop and opens a filemanager win
[04:20] <valentina> it's weird
[04:21] <valentina> is there some 'modconf' tool in Ubuntu ?
[04:21] <Setite> ok i plugged it in
[04:21] <ogra> valentina: works on all systems here
[04:21] <valentina> maybe I need to load some modules
[04:21] <Setite> and then it the cd got active
[04:21] <Setite> but it did nothing
[04:21] <ogra> valentina: nope, no modconf
[04:21] <Setite> holy shit
[04:22] <Setite> it reads ntfs by default?!!!!
[04:22] <ogra> valentina: they should be already there... if you see your usb controller in the device manager
[04:22] <ogra> Setite: sure
[04:22] <valentina> ogra : it sounds like it's a computer problem ?
[04:22] <ogra> Setite: the live cd has a bug with hotplugging
[04:22] <ogra> valentina: did you change anything in the system ?
[04:23] <Setite> hotplugging?
[04:23] <Setite> oh ok
[04:23] <Setite> yea it wont play any movies so far
[04:23] <Setite> but they are probably divx
[04:23] <EfaistOs> where do u choose the login splash ?
[04:23] <ogra> Setite: no codecs
[04:23] <ArChoNKoG> sup guys i just install ubuntu X can't start
[04:23] <ogra> EfaistOs: the login screen or the splash after it ?
[04:23] <Setite> none at all
[04:23] <valentina> ogra : no
[04:24] <Setite> can it play anything?
[04:24] <ogra> Setite: all free codecs....
[04:24] <Setite> well at least it mounts
[04:24] <EfaistOs> ogra the splash after
[04:24] <ogra> valentina: do you see the message that hotplug starts while it boots ?
[04:25] <Setite> btw i like xchat
[04:25] <valentina> valentina@servidor:~ $ dmesg  | grep hot
[04:25] <valentina> cpci_hotplug: CompactPCI Hot Plug Core version: 0.2
[04:25] <valentina> pci_hotplug: PCI Hot Plug PCI Core version: 0.5
[04:25] <valentina> ogra : is that the answer ?
[04:25] <ArChoNKoG> how come when i install ubuntu it didn't ask me to make a root passwd
[04:25] <ogra> EfaistOs: in gconf-editor go to /apps/gnome-session/options
[04:25] <valentina> though ps aux | grep hot doesnt display anything
[04:26] <ogra> ArChoNKoG: root is disabled
[04:26] <ogra> ArChoNKoG: ubuntu uses sudo
[04:26] <ArChoNKoG> i see
[04:26] <ogra> ArChoNKoG: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:27] <ogra> valentina: nope, i mean if hotplud shows up on boot...
[04:27] <ogra> hotplug
[04:27] <ArChoNKoG> ogra: would you know why X won't startx ?
[04:27] <valentina> i dont really know
[04:27] <valentina> should I check it out?
[04:28] <ogra> valentina: either its a HW prob or hotplug doesnt get started proper i think....i cant imagine anything else atm (mybe because its 04:28 am here)
[04:29] <valentina> wow
[04:29] <valentina> sorry if im taking your time off
[04:29] <ogra> ArChoNKoG: it didnt detect your X ?
[04:29] <valentina> thank you anyway
[04:29] <Crane> whew
[04:29] <ogra> valentina: i'm not forced to answer ;)
[04:29] <Crane> nothing like a couple of games of quake3 to get the blood moving
[04:29] <valentina> thank you
[04:29] <Setite> why doesnt synaptic work on the livecd
[04:29] <valentina> well, I'm going to check it hotplug starts properly
[04:29] <valentina> thank you ogra , bye
[04:29] <ogra> bye
[04:29] <Setite> i was hoping to try and get the mpg123 plugin installed
[04:30] <drspin> what do you all suggest for firewall
[04:30] <Crane> my hot plug just quit working today
[04:30] <Crane> I haven't rebooted yet though
[04:30] <drspin> <<< computer has to be on for about 5 mins before his hotplug will work
[04:31] <ogra> drspin: what for do you need a firewall?
[04:31] <Crane> drspin does that include not in a suspend state
[04:31] <Crane> ?
[04:31] <drspin> fun!
[04:31] <Crane> to keep out fire
[04:31] <EfaistOs> why my video are all green ?? weird ..
[04:32] <EfaistOs> i mean i'm trying some videos i already watched but now they are all green ...
[04:32] <drspin> Crane: from a coldboot it takes about 5 mins before I have to reboot so my hotplug will work... just a reboot it still works ;)
[04:32] <Crane> cool thanks
[04:32] <Crane> is there a way to restart hotplug?
[04:32] <drspin> Crane: that was my next question ;)
[04:32] <Crane> just wondering, don't really need to
[04:33] <EfaistOs> ogra, an idea ?
[04:33] <ogra> nope....did you install anything ?
[04:33] <ogra> video wise?
[04:33] <ArChoNKoG> how can i search for drivers
[04:33] <ogra> ArChoNKoG: drivers ?
[04:34] <ArChoNKoG> yea i need nvidia drivers for my 6800
[04:34] <edmond> ArChoNKoG: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[04:34] <ogra> ArChoNKoG: firdt see that you get configured your X that it works, the just install the ubuntu nvidia packages
[04:34] <edmond> ArChoNKoG: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[04:34] <EfaistOs> just  fglrx-driver but the 3D acceleration didnt work so i removed it
[04:35] <crimsun> is the 'restricted' repo enabled by default?
[04:35] <ogra> ArChoNKoG: you should really configure first
[04:35] <EfaistOs> ogra and and vim-gnome that's all ;p
[04:35] <drspin> %sudo /etc/init.d/hotplug restart
[04:35] <ogra> EfaistOs: so that makes me suspect its the fglrx-driver
[04:36] <EfaistOs> ogra, but i removed it it's not loaded i checked
[04:36] <ogra> crimsun: i think so
[04:36] <crimsun> ogra: k
[04:36] <Cloudchaser> ok ogra...i set my fstab file and from command line can copy files to the share...trying it now in the file browser but so far having no luck...writing down what happens as i do it
[04:37] <crimsun> ArChoNKoG: dpkg -l linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`|grep ^ii
[04:37] <ogra> crimsun: main restricted is the default line i think
[04:37] <crimsun> ah crap
[04:37] <ogra> ArChoNKoG: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[04:37] <Crane> just found somthing inseresting
[04:38] <Crane> interesting
[04:38] <Crane> I have two memory sticks
[04:38] <Crane> 1 is standard memory stick the other a memory stick pro
[04:39] <Crane> when I plug in my 1st memory stick all goes well.
[04:39] <Crane> the second just doesn't work
[04:39] <Crane> usb reader
[04:39] <Crane> hmmmmm
[04:39] <drspin> did you catch my hotplug restart command??
[04:39] <Crane> nope sorry
[04:40] <Crane> I see it
[04:40] <drspin> "sudo /etc/init.d/hotplug restart"
[04:40] <ogra> ArCHoNKoG: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[04:40] <ogra> drspin: loads all your modules
[04:40] <ArCHoNKoG> out of all distro this is the only one that works for me sofar
[04:40] <ArCHoNKoG> thanks alot ogra
[04:40] <ogra> :)
[04:40] <ArCHoNKoG> i swear man
[04:41] <drspin> ogra: what?
[04:41] <ogra> drspin: for the usb devices restart dbus-1
[04:41] <ArCHoNKoG> my usb sound headphone work
[04:41] <ArCHoNKoG> this is the shit
[04:41] <ogra> drspin: not hotplug
[04:41] <ogra> heh
[04:42] <drspin> ogra: I restart the hotplug interface about 5 mins after I boot my system so it will work - can't do anything with the mouse or ANY USB device until then
[04:42] <Crane> ArCH: how many have you tried?
[04:42] <ogra> drspin: its a module issue then
[04:43] <Crane> hmmm nope still not working with the memory stick pro
[04:43] <drspin> ogra: I had the same experience with a 2.4 kernal on my Suse and Gentoo installs
[04:43] <ArCHoNKoG> Crane, slackware gentoo debian crux arch
[04:43] <ArCHoNKoG> Crane,  went me to keep going ?
[04:43] <ogra> drspin: did it work _anywhere_ ?
[04:43] <Crane> lol
[04:43] <Crane> nah
[04:43] <Crane> This distro is one of the best I have tried as well
[04:44] <ogra> Crane: one of ?
[04:44] <ArCHoNKoG> alright is there a howto so i can keep ot up today
[04:44] <Crane> ok ok it's the best
[04:44] <crimsun> ArCHoNKoG: see the topic
[04:44] <ogra> ArCHoNKoG: a howto ?
[04:44] <Crane> I must be, I'm going to make it my main distro tomorrow
[04:44] <drspin> Ogra: it will not work until long after the system is fully booted and I restart the hotplug interface
[04:44] <ArCHoNKoG> guys i need to give some respect to where ubuntu is based on
[04:45] <ArCHoNKoG> not the best one of the best
[04:45] <ogra> drspin: did it work on other systems ?
[04:45] <Crane> I = It
[04:45] <regeya> anyone here ever tried to use epson's drivers on their system?  I've got the spr800 cups driver installed, and while it installs fine, and seems to detect the printer, nothing ever happens.  also, ekpstm tells me that ekpd isn't running, even when it is.
[04:45] <Cloudchaser> oh cool..files copied!
[04:45] <toptnc>            CPU0
[04:45] <toptnc>   0:    4606371          XT-PIC  timer
[04:45] <toptnc>   1:        668          XT-PIC  i8042
[04:45] <toptnc>   2:          0          XT-PIC  cascade
[04:45] <toptnc>   3:      17967          XT-PIC  orinoco_cs
[04:45] <toptnc>   7:          0          XT-PIC  parport0
[04:45] <toptnc>   8:          1          XT-PIC  rtc
[04:45] <ogra> Cloudchaser: :)
[04:45] <toptnc>   9:       1975          XT-PIC  acpi
[04:45] <toptnc>  11:          2          XT-PIC  uhci_hcd, yenta, yenta
[04:45] <toptnc>  12:        111          XT-PIC  i8042
[04:45] <toptnc>  14:      52551          XT-PIC  ide0
[04:46] <toptnc> NMI:          0
[04:46] <Cloudchaser> slowly while copying to the share.. not so slowly copying to ubuntu
[04:46] <toptnc> LOC:          0
[04:46] <ogra> toptnc: please dont post here
[04:46] <toptnc> ERR:          0
[04:46] <toptnc> MIS:          0
[04:46] <neuro_> floodtastic
[04:46] <toptnc> oh sorry
[04:46] <ogra> toptnc: please dont post here
[04:46] <drspin> ogra - this system is the only place I've seen behavior like this -- no problems in Windows -- but had the same deal with both my SuSE and Gentoo installs on here.... both were running 2.4 kernels
[04:46] <toptnc> sorry
[04:46] <toptnc> this would be for #flood
[04:46] <toptnc> sorry all
[04:47] <ogra> drspin: looks like it is a linux kernel issue with your setup then
[04:47] <drspin> ogra: aye - so what do I do??
[04:47] <ogra> drspin: file a bug
[04:47] <crimsun> hotplug? usb? 2.6? drspin?
[04:48] <ogra> drspin: let others deal that know about it ;)
[04:48] <drspin> crimsun -- LOL those are keywords of our conversation ;)
[04:48] <drspin> ogra: where?
[04:48] <ogra> drspin: provide infos .... and have some patiency
[04:48] <Cloudchaser> goign to computer/network/share still has permissions issues though but i can live with that for the moment i i can copy files back and forth via the file manager
[04:48] <crimsun> drspin: I just read that 2.6.10 fixes quite a few hotplugging and usb issues
[04:48] <Cloudchaser> so the day wasn't a complete waste after all ;)
[04:48] <ogra> drspin: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[04:49] <crimsun> drspin: so we shall both wait til the ubuntu kernel guys grace us with 2.6.10
[04:49] <drspin> crimsun -- is 2.6.10 out yet?
[04:49] <ogra> Cloudchaser: your tero issue will get solved too :)
[04:49] <crimsun> drspin: yes, but I'm waiting til it's available in hoary
[04:49] <Cloudchaser> now, how do i get an icon on the desktop when i mount the shares? i thought that was automatic like the cdrom drive does
[04:49] <drspin> aye as will I
[04:49] <drspin> just won't restart
[04:49] <drspin> !! :)
[04:49] <Cloudchaser> i hope so ogra! its so close!
[04:50] <Cloudchaser> the hard part is system detection of the device i thought and thats all there
[04:50] <shianux> hi all
[04:50] <Cloudchaser> hi shianux
[04:50] <ogra> Cloudchaser: if the entry in fstab has the user or users option (to enable you to mount it as a user) then it is in the disks window
[04:50] <ArCHoNKoG> alright gusy i have a external driver that is via usb
[04:50] <ArCHoNKoG> i was never able in my life to get it to work on linux
[04:50] <LifesizeKenDoll> hey, how do I find my ip address to the outside world? I'm behind a NAT
[04:50] <Cloudchaser> well it is in the disks window indirectly..i have to go to filesystem/mnt/share
[04:51] <ArCHoNKoG> woudl you guys give a bro a hand
[04:51] <ogra> Cloudchaser: no, i mean directly
[04:51] <Cloudchaser> in disks i have floppy1, cdrom, filesystem and network
[04:51] <ogra> Cloudchaser: its possible :)
[04:51] <Cloudchaser> if i go into network i see all the shares
[04:51] <ogra> Cloudchaser: has your fstab entry a user option?
[04:51] <LinuxSanta> man i got addicted to monopoly on games.com
[04:51] <Cloudchaser> but can't brows them
[04:51] <LinuxSanta> :P
[04:52] <LinuxSanta> i played like over 11
[04:52] <Cloudchaser> i used the .smbcredentials with the masks for all users read write execute
[04:52] <LinuxSanta> hoary is f0cked with x.org
[04:52] <LinuxSanta> it wont setup x
[04:52] <LinuxSanta> with array2
[04:52] <ogra> Cloudchaser: ah, ok. but no user option in fstab ?
[04:52] <Cloudchaser> well i got kind of confused there
[04:52] <LinuxSanta> i was lookin forward to hoary
[04:53] <LinuxSanta> its not ready yet <Grin>
[04:53] <LinuxSanta> maybe array3
[04:53] <LinuxSanta> will give it another try when array3 is out
[04:53] <Cloudchaser> my user can copy to and from via command line and via disks/filesystem/mnt/share
[04:53] <shianux> cloudchaser: is it a problem when during updating of the system with synaptic, the terminal window indicates that something cannot be removed because the directory is not empty?
[04:53] <ogra> Cloudchaser: in fstab you have the options for the mount command.... if there is a entry: user then nautilus recognizes this and shows the disk in disks
[04:53] <Cloudchaser> shianux, i haven't run across that yet but i'm still new yet
[04:54] <ogra> shianux: nopa
[04:54] <Cloudchaser> oh ok ogra, i couldn't find a good example of the fstab entry that way..i've done it in the past like that and must not have written it down
[04:54] <Cloudchaser> had to do guid and masks of some sort too
[04:54] <shianux> or "unable to delete old file - 'somethingsomething': directory not empty"
[04:55] <ogra> shianux: thats ok
[04:55] <shianux> ogra: thank you!
[04:55] <ogra> shianux: imagine a package removes an icon from the icon dir
[04:55] <shianux> cloudchaser: thank you too =)
[04:55] <Cloudchaser> have you got a pointer to a sample fstab line?
[04:55] <Cloudchaser> hehe shianux i didn't do anything
[04:55] <ogra> shianux: it shouldnt delete the whole dir then ;)
[04:56] <ogra> Cloudchaser: you talked to him :)
[04:56] <ArCHoNKoG> ubuntu > all
[04:56] <Crane> what device does a USB card reader use
[04:56] <ArCHoNKoG> i just need to learn how to say the word now
[04:56] <Crane> thying to manually mount
[04:56] <Cloudchaser> oh ;) hey i know what its like to have no one talk to me when i'm new in a room ;)
[04:56] <Crane> trying
[04:56] <ArCHoNKoG> Cloudchaser, don't if you ask and i know i'll help
[04:56] <Cloudchaser> it uses something wierd but i can't remember what crane
[04:56] <ogra> Crane: look in the device manager, in the advanced entry of the device
[04:56] <ArCHoNKoG> if i don't know am sorry
[04:57] <ogra> Crane: the first entry should be the device there
[04:57] <Cloudchaser> hehe i don't usually know alot but i'm a talker
[04:58] <ogra> thinks actually
[04:58] <ArCHoNKoG> ogra, what do i have to do so i can get access to my external usb hd
[04:58] <Cloudchaser> i have an external usb hub
[04:58] <Cloudchaser> and it just worked
[04:58] <Cloudchaser> i didn't have to do anything
[04:58] <Cloudchaser> just plug in the devices and voila
[04:58] <ogra> ArCHoNKoG: it gets mounted on your desktop if you plug it in
[04:59] <Cloudchaser> i don't see anything on my desktop though
[04:59] <ArCHoNKoG> ogra, nothing there
[04:59] <Crane> hmmm Device manager gives error
[04:59] <Cloudchaser> but i don't have a reader hooked up
[04:59] <ogra> Crane: kind of ?
[04:59] <Crane> could not get device list, make sure hald is running
[04:59] <Cloudchaser> my camera is next though
[04:59] <Cloudchaser> thats a toughie
[04:59] <ogra> Crane: ahh, there is your prob
[04:59] <Cloudchaser> never did get that wokring in linux
[04:59] <ogra> Cloudchaser: will work i think :)
[05:00] <Cloudchaser> but i think i read it would work with 2.6 kernel
[05:00] <Crane> what is hald?
[05:00] <Cloudchaser> it was still too new for 2.4 although its not a new camera..but thats for another day
[05:00] <Crane> and how do I start it
[05:00] <ArCHoNKoG> that is wired i have nothing on my desktop also
[05:00] <ArCHoNKoG> why is that
[05:00] <ogra> Cloudchaser: if not with gthumb you could try some SW i wrote: http://www.grawert.net/software/pimp/
[05:00] <Cloudchaser> ogra any links to fstab samples i cold try?
[05:01] <ogra> Crane: sudo /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart
[05:01] <Cloudchaser> its a sony camera..sony's are tricky i read
[05:01] <ogra> Cloudchaser: post the one you got currently
[05:01] <ogra> Cloudchaser: they say its not a trick. ...
[05:01] <Cloudchaser> cool ogra i'll try that! i have to charge up the camera though
[05:02] <Cloudchaser> /chrisibm/chrisibmc /mnt/ChrisC smbfs credentials=/root/.smbcredentials,dmask=777,fmask=777 0 0
[05:02] <Crane> *sr/sbin/hald already running.
[05:02] <Cloudchaser> well another slash at the beginning
[05:02] <Cloudchaser> crane i got usbview
[05:02] <ogra>  //chrisibm/chrisibmc /mnt/ChrisC smbfs credentials=/root/.smbcredentials,dmask=777,fmask=777,user 0 0
[05:02] <Cloudchaser> its nice to see what usb devices are there and if they're detected properly
[05:03] <Cloudchaser> yes ogra
[05:03] <Crane> usbview?
[05:03] <ogra> Cloudchaser: regard the difference ;)
[05:03] <Crane> program?
[05:03] <Cloudchaser> oohh
[05:03] <Cloudchaser> ok
[05:03] <Cloudchaser> i can do that ;)
[05:03] <ogra> Crane: wont help you with the hal issue
[05:04] <ogra> Cloudchaser: not sure if it works with smbfs mounts this way, but its worth a try
[05:04] <Crane> oh well now when I select hardware manager it sjust shuts off
[05:04] <Crane> device manager
[05:04] <Cloudchaser> ok i'll give it a try now
[05:04] <ogra> Crane: device manager == hald
[05:04] <ogra> Crane: hald sits on top of dbus
[05:05] <ogra> Crane: thos trio plus the kernel make the usb hotplugging
[05:05] <ogra> this
[05:05] <Cloudchaser> you are my hero ogra!
[05:05] <ogra> :)
[05:06] <Crane> ogra: so do I need to restart hald?
[05:06] <ogra> Crane: dbus starts hald
[05:06] <Cloudchaser> now hopefully when i start up the machine, the smb services start before the fstab is read ;)
[05:06] <ogra> Crane: so you need to restart dbus-1
[05:06] <ogra> Cloudchaser: no need for it :)
[05:06] <Cloudchaser> thats why a nice services gui is handy for when you need to change the order of things
[05:06] <Cloudchaser> no?
[05:07] <Cloudchaser> well how bout my wireless services then?
[05:07] <Cloudchaser> if they start after the fstab is read?
[05:07] <Crane>  *sr/sbin/hald already running. [fail]
[05:07] <Crane> run-parts: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/hal exited with return code 1
[05:07] <ogra> Cloudchaser: they sohould be before :)
[05:07] <Cloudchaser> ok cool.. ;)
[05:07] <ogra> Crane: looks bad.....
[05:08] <ogra> Crane: the hald process seems stuck....
[05:09] <Cloudchaser> what kind of card reader?
[05:09] <ArCHoNKoG> can you  get winex ?
[05:09] <ogra> Crane: make sure you get it killed properly, then restart dbus
[05:09] <Crane> hmmm restart computer maybe
[05:09] <ogra> ArCHoNKoG: sure, you can buy it
[05:09] <Cloudchaser> put the card in after though..i sometimes had trouble starting pc with the card in but that wasn't in ubuntu
[05:10] <Cloudchaser> i should get my card reader out and try it
[05:10] <crimsun> ArCHoNKoG: you can check out the cvs version and build it manually, but it lacks features that are in the binary-only version (copy protection support, etc.)
[05:10] <ArCHoNKoG> how can i get my external usb hd to work
[05:10] <Cloudchaser> not today though
[05:11] <Cloudchaser> winex=cedega now
[05:11] <ogra> crimsun: "...but it lacks features  ... (copy protection support)" ??? thats a feature ?
[05:11] <Cloudchaser> its on my list to buy
[05:11] <Cloudchaser> ;)
[05:11] <Cloudchaser> and a small paycheck ;)
[05:12] <ogra> heh
[05:12] <shianux> hi all again
[05:12] <Cloudchaser> wb
[05:12] <shianux> cloudchaser: =)
[05:12] <shianux> I'm encountering another message which I don't know if its bad or not
[05:13] <shianux> synaptic was trying to install a package, I can't remember which
[05:13] <crimsun> ogra: the safedisc support, etc.
[05:13] <ogra> crimsun: ah, ok....
[05:13] <Crane> what is the command to force an app  or process to quit
[05:14] <Crane> ?
[05:14] <shianux> oh yes, I remember now
[05:14] <crimsun> Crane: kill
[05:14] <ogra> Crane: killall -9 hald
[05:14] <Crane> kill doesn't work
[05:14] <shianux> synaptic was trying to install xserver-xorg
[05:14] <Crane> ahhh -9 thats it
[05:14] <Crane> thanks
[05:14] <ogra> Crane: kill works with the proc number.... killall with the name
[05:15] <ogra> Crane: but if hald is stuck on a HW event even -9 wont work
[05:15] <shianux> when it said "dpkg-architecture: warning: Couldn't determine gcc system type, falling back to default (native)"
[05:16] <ogra> shianux: sounds like hoary
[05:16] <Crane> ogra: yep it's stuck on something
[05:16] <shianux> haha yeah, I just upgraded to hoary
[05:16] <Crane> I can't stop it
[05:16] <shianux> ogra: so what's actually happening there?
[05:16] <ogra> shianux: there are issues currently
[05:16] <LinuxSanta> shianux:  Hoary breaks
[05:16] <ogra> shianux: dunno, sorry
[05:16] <Crane> crane looks at computer.... hal stop it
[05:17] <shianux> ogra: so there isn't anything I can do to fix it?
[05:17] <LinuxSanta> ogra i agree, it has issues with array2 for gnome / x
[05:17] <ogra> shianux: waiting ...
[05:17] <shianux> LinuxSanta: hmm, is the breakage critical?
[05:17] <LinuxSanta> ogra:  It fixes the partioning problem tho with libparted
[05:17] <LinuxSanta> shainux:  For me i cant use gnome desktop
[05:17] <LinuxSanta> or it will not boot into X
[05:17] <LinuxSanta> depending if i do upgrade or use array2
[05:17] <shianux> LinuxSanta: wow, that sounds bad
[05:17] <LinuxSanta> either one doesnt work right
[05:17] <bob2> shianux: did you install ubuntu from scratch?
[05:18] <LinuxSanta> shainux:  Array3 will hopefully fix it
[05:18] <LinuxSanta> array 2 is bugged :(
[05:18] <Cloudchaser> what is Array2 and Array3?
[05:18] <LinuxSanta> test release of snapshots
[05:18] <Cloudchaser> ah
[05:18] <LinuxSanta> its more stable than the daily snapshots
[05:18] <LinuxSanta> but
[05:19] <LinuxSanta> its still not working stable enough yet for me
[05:19] <LinuxSanta> all linux distros have the partitioning problem now
[05:19] <LinuxSanta> since it was a libparted bug
[05:19] <ogra> :(
[05:19] <LinuxSanta> so all of em will break for me on install
[05:19] <LinuxSanta> next batch should be golden
[05:19] <LinuxSanta> ie hoary, next release of suse, redhat, blah blah
[05:20] <shianux> bob2: is there a way to do that? I installed it off the warty CD
[05:20] <LinuxSanta> it was critical bug for me to make me go back to windows <grin>
[05:20] <LinuxSanta> for the time being
[05:20] <kebac> all linux is hoary
[05:20] <kebac> use BSD
[05:20] <bob2> shianux: just checking
[05:20] <LinuxSanta> hoary rules
[05:20] <ogra> kebac: bah
[05:20] <LinuxSanta> ubuntu-offtopic for bsd
[05:20] <ogra> heh
[05:20] <LinuxSanta> thanks :)
[05:20] <kebac> just advice
[05:21] <ogra> fast santa....stops before the start
[05:21] <LinuxSanta> kebac:  BSD is good but its not as supported and doesnt have the frills like linux does
[05:21] <ArCHoNKoG> :( not working
[05:21] <LinuxSanta> linux has more program compatibility
[05:21] <LinuxSanta> kebec:  ubuntu-offtopic if u want to continue
[05:21] <shianux> LinuxSanta: how do you get array 3?
[05:21] <LinuxSanta> i wish i knew
[05:21] <LinuxSanta> its not out yet :)
[05:21] <ArCHoNKoG> LinuxSanta,  where you from ?
[05:22] <LinuxSanta> array 2 u mean
[05:22] <LinuxSanta> NY USA
[05:22] <ArCHoNKoG> BRONX NY here
[05:22] <LinuxSanta> where at in the bronx?
[05:22] <kebac> BSD supports linux binaries
[05:22] <LinuxSanta> ghetto ?
[05:22] <LinuxSanta> or good area?
[05:22] <LinuxSanta> :)
[05:22] <kebac> = all program compatibility
[05:23] <ArCHoNKoG> ghetto
[05:23] <LinuxSanta> archonkog:  poor guy
[05:23] <LinuxSanta> move to upper east side
[05:23] <lemsx1> nah, the bronx rocks
[05:23] <ArCHoNKoG> LinuxSanta, na am good i like a hard working day
[05:23] <ultrahex> hey
[05:23] <LinuxSanta> archonkog:  LOL
[05:23] <LinuxSanta> ur choice
[05:23] <ArCHoNKoG> :)
[05:23] <LinuxSanta> i like the good life
[05:23] <ArCHoNKoG> LinuxSanta, same here it always been
[05:23] <LinuxSanta> i live on park ave
[05:23] <ultrahex> i just installed Ubuntu (as some might know) ... and how do u change resolution beyond 1024...
[05:24] <LinuxSanta> nah
[05:24] <ArCHoNKoG> LinuxSanta, cool
[05:24] <LinuxSanta> not yet
[05:24] <LinuxSanta> archonkog:  Im still a bit short
[05:24] <Cloudchaser> oops
[05:24] <ogra> night all
[05:24] <LinuxSanta> archonkog:  Im in queens actually
[05:24] <ArCHoNKoG> LinuxSanta, i have a wish santa i need help
[05:24] <bob2> ultrahex: what res did it pick?
[05:24] <bob2> /win	30
[05:24] <ArCHoNKoG> LinuxSanta, where in queens i will be there for new years
[05:24] <LinuxSanta> shianux:  http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/releases/hoary/array-2/
[05:24] <LinuxSanta> enjoy
[05:25] <LinuxSanta> if you download the updates, x wont load up
[05:25] <LinuxSanta> if you dont, then gnome doesnt work
[05:25] <kebac> freebsd picked 2048x1536@ 85 hz on the first run :=)
[05:25] <ultrahex> it auto chose the max at 1024x768 but my screen and stuff supports 1600x1200 +
[05:25] <LinuxSanta> it will load into gnome but then mess up there
[05:25] <shianux> LinuxSanta: haha thanks
[05:25] <LinuxSanta> it needs more work
[05:25] <Cloudchaser> ok ogra next big question..how to make it so i can unmount a volume by right clicking on the desktop icon ..right now it says only root can
[05:25] <ultrahex> bob2: any ideas?
[05:26] <bob2> ultrahex: please file a bug on xserver-xorg, including the output of 'lspci', 'lspci -n', 'dmesg' and 'lsmod'.
[05:26] <Lathiat> Cloudchaser: it depends how you mount it, if you mount a removeable device the proper way, you can unmount it on the desktop
[05:26] <ArCHoNKoG> how come can't see nothing on desktop ?
[05:26] <Cloudchaser> i messed up my fstab
[05:26] <Cloudchaser> and um
[05:26] <bob2> ArCHoNKoG: there's nothing on the desktop by default
[05:26] <ArCHoNKoG> i see
[05:27] <ultrahex> bob2: UGH
[05:27] <Cloudchaser> well i copied and pasted and entry twice to set up 2 more shares on same volume
[05:27] <Cloudchaser> and um
[05:27] <Cloudchaser> i forgot to change the mount point
[05:27] <Cloudchaser> so
[05:27] <Lathiat> ArCHoNKoG: the computer icons etc are usually used via the Computer menu up top
[05:27] <Cloudchaser> i have 3 now for same mount point
[05:27] <kebac> naru jtk sill on
[05:27] <Lathiat> ArCHoNKoG: and the trash by the trash applet in the bbottom right
[05:27] <Cloudchaser> i guess i'll have to restart
[05:27] <ArCHoNKoG> i want my songs and my songs are in a external drive
[05:27] <ArCHoNKoG> how do i get that to work
[05:27] <Cloudchaser> and fix my fstab first
[05:27] <bob2> ArCHoNKoG: plug it in and it should mount it automatically
[05:27] <bob2> ultrahex: ugh?
[05:27] <ultrahex> yes as in thats great fun
[05:28] <ArCHoNKoG> bob2, how would i know it worked ?
[05:28] <Cloudchaser> brb hopw this works!
[05:28] <bob2> ultrahex: yeah, it sucks, but it works for nearly everyone...
[05:28] <Scorp> hey does the PPC version have all the bells and whistles that say YDL has? (support for brightness and volume keys, hardware detection, etc etc..) keep in mind I'm asking about PowerPC version
[05:28] <bob2> ArCHoNKoG: it should popup a window
[05:29] <bob2> Scorp: of course
[05:29] <ultrahex> bob2: is this a website or a channel i got in a file now
[05:29] <ArCHoNKoG> ok it didn't work
[05:29] <bob2> ultrahex: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[05:29] <Scorp> bob2 is the install easy?
[05:29] <bob2> ArCHoNKoG: is it a ntfs or hfs drive?
[05:29] <bob2> Scorp: it's identical to the i386 ubuntu install
[05:29] <ArCHoNKoG> ntfs
[05:29] <bob2> ie like 10 questions, none of which are about hardware
[05:30] <bob2> ArCHoNKoG: known bug, unfortunately
[05:30] <Scorp> bob2 lol I wouldn't know what that's like, but I'll risk it, thanks; does it boot on its own, is there docs for it?
[05:31] <bob2> Scorp: the cd boots
[05:32] <LinuxSanta> ubuntu still needs work
[05:32] <shianux> hi all
[05:32] <shianux> back again
[05:32] <LinuxSanta> alala
[05:32] <Scorp> ok I'm reading the docs then and downloading it :)
[05:32] <Cloudchaser> well fooey.. no drive icons after restarting
[05:32] <shianux> manage to load up into hoary
[05:32] <shianux> with only 1 problem left
[05:33] <LinuxSanta> shianux:  X?
[05:33] <shianux> LinuxSanta: yeah, but its not a big problem
[05:33] <LinuxSanta> shainux:  Did it configure x for u?
[05:33] <Cloudchaser> ok ogra none of my drives mounted after restarting
[05:33] <LinuxSanta> did u upgrade to ubuntu
[05:33] <shianux> I'm stuck with only 640x480 screen resolution
[05:33] <LinuxSanta> hoary i mean
[05:33] <LinuxSanta> shainux:  at least u got x to work with hoary
[05:33] <Cloudchaser> so only root can mount them it appears
[05:33] <LinuxSanta> if i upgrade to hoary from warty my x wont work
[05:34] <shianux> when I go to system settings, I only have 640x480 as a choice
[05:34] <bob2> shianux: let me guess, hoary, non-free nvidia modules?
[05:34] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  those actually increase the refresh rate
[05:34] <ArCHoNKoG> ok
[05:34] <shianux> bob2: actually I did that yesterday when I installed the nvidia modules
[05:34] <LinuxSanta> but not by much
[05:34] <ArCHoNKoG> i need a torrent
[05:34] <ArCHoNKoG> same as debian ?
[05:34] <bob2> LinuxSanta: huh?
[05:34] <shianux> bob2: but since that hosed my hoary install
[05:34] <shianux> bob2: I didn't install them this time round
[05:34] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  like 75mhz, etc...
[05:34] <Cloudchaser> so the fstab needs something to let it work while booting as user?
[05:35] <shianux> bob2: and I still have the same problem
[05:35] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  75,85, 120. etc....
[05:35] <Cloudchaser> mount -a only works with sudo
[05:35] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  or is it hz
[05:35] <LinuxSanta> i ferget
[05:35] <bob2> LinuxSanta: I don't know what you're refering to
[05:35] <Scorp> bob2 will it install and configure yaboot for me?
[05:35] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  With linux the refresh rates are kept down lower than windows
[05:35] <LinuxSanta> which sux
[05:35] <bob2> LinuxSanta: are you saying the binary drivers give higher refresh rates?
[05:35] <bob2> Scorp: yes
[05:35] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  The non free glx yes
[05:35] <bob2> LinuxSanta: er, are you really sure of that?
[05:35] <LinuxSanta> bob2 for me it does
[05:35] <ultrahex> bob2: can i just modify my X config file for mean time , and could anyone walk me through?
[05:35] <bob2> Cloudchaser: what are you trying to do?
[05:35] <plasmo> lol
[05:35] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  I installed glx and it worked at the next up refresh rate
[05:36] <Cloudchaser> mount shares when i boot pc
[05:36] <bob2> ultrahex: sure, and maybe, but you'd be better off asking on the list
[05:36] <shianux> bob2: so now I'd like to find out how to get my original screen res back
[05:36] <LinuxSanta> its still not on par with what it should be tho
[05:36] <bob2> LinuxSanta: that is a bug then, please report it
[05:36] <Cloudchaser> i edited fstab and sudo mount -a does the trick
[05:36] <LinuxSanta> linux nvidia drivers are more of an afterthought
[05:36] <Cloudchaser> but they didn't mount when i rebooted
[05:36] <LinuxSanta> bob2 u work for ubuntu?
[05:36] <plasmo> shinanux: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add in your resolution
[05:36] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  Its not a bug........
[05:36] <bob2> LinuxSanta: no, I work for canonical, but not ubuntu
[05:37] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  The nvidia driver which is the better driver gives u the better rate
[05:37] <bob2> Cloudchaser: add the 'auto' option to the options field for each one you want mounted on boot
[05:37] <LinuxSanta> why would it be a bug?
[05:37] <bob2> LinuxSanta: no, it's a bug
[05:37] <shianux> plasmo: but I already have the settings in xorg.conf
[05:37] <shianux> that's the funny part
[05:37] <bob2> LinuxSanta: how is it not a bug? the Free driver is missing a piece of functionailty that the non-free one has
[05:37] <Cloudchaser> /chrisibm/chrisibmc /mnt/ChrisC smbfs credentials=/root/.smbcredentials,dmask=777,fmask=777,user 0 0
[05:37] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  And the nvidia driver is CLOSED SOURCE
[05:37] <Cloudchaser> where do i put that?
[05:37] <bob2> LinuxSanta: er, so?
[05:37] <plasmo> including the resolutions? "1024x768" "800x600" ?
[05:37] <Cloudchaser> before credentials?
[05:38] <Cloudchaser> or before user?
[05:38] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  how are u gonna get them to open the code for you to add that functionality in the regular driver?
[05:38] <bob2> Cloudchaser: in the options column, as I said,  your fstab has a header line that tells you which that is
[05:38] <LinuxSanta> its functionality that nvidia specifically added, they can do that
[05:38] <bob2> LinuxSanta: are you an X hacker?
[05:38] <LinuxSanta> no
[05:38] <LinuxSanta> if an x hacker can figure it out fine
[05:38] <LinuxSanta> but its not really a bug
[05:38] <LinuxSanta> its a feature that was added
[05:38] <bob2> then how do you know that fixing it would require the source to the nvidia binsary driver?
[05:38] <Scorp> lol
[05:38] <bob2> or are you guessing?
[05:39] <Cloudchaser> ok i'll try that..then will it mount them as a user?
[05:39] <Scorp> PHB :)
[05:39] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  it stands to reason
[05:39] <Cloudchaser> cause right now they're mounted as root so i can't unmount them via right click/unmount volume
[05:39] <bob2> Cloudchaser: 'as a user'? no.
[05:39] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  if im a linux user and i want the better rate all i do is install the driver and presto
[05:39] <Cloudchaser> can i do that?
[05:39] <bob2> no
[05:39] <LinuxSanta> its the better driver anyways
[05:39] <LinuxSanta> it doesnt cost me a cent
[05:39] <bob2> it's not the better driver
[05:39] <bob2> it's a
[05:40] <bob2> different driver, with a number of disadvantages
[05:40] <Cloudchaser> ok so can i change the right click umount to be root?
[05:40] <bob2> and some advantages
[05:40] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  Such as?
[05:40] <bob2> Cloudchaser: no
[05:40] <bob2> LinuxSanta: such as if your machine crashes, kernel developers will laugh at you
[05:40] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  as i said, its closed source
[05:40] <bob2> anyway, this is way off-topic
[05:40] <shianux> plasmo: the real problem is after I run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", I get this message
[05:40] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  It would be nice if they opened it but thats another story
[05:40] <bob2> if you don't care, don't file a bug
[05:41] <LinuxSanta> bob2 but for me its not a bug i add the glx and im happy
[05:41] <bob2> I think it would be useful to have someone who knows far more about X than either of us to have a look at it
[05:41] <bob2> ok, thanks
[05:41] <Cloudchaser> Normally, only the superuser can mount  file  systems.   However,
[05:41] <Cloudchaser>        when  fstab  contains the user option on a line, then anybody can mount
[05:41] <Cloudchaser>        the corresponding system.
[05:41] <Cloudchaser> should work as user
[05:41] <bob2> Cloudchaser: no
[05:41] <bob2> Cloudchaser: not if you combine it with auto
[05:41] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  I reported it actually along time ago and ubuntu told me it wasnt a bug
[05:41] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  So they disagree with you
[05:41] <bob2> LinuxSanta: and which bug # is it?
[05:41] <Cloudchaser> well i have it as user now and user can't mount it
[05:41] <shianux> "dpkg-architecture: warning: Couldn't determine gcc system type, falling back to default (native compilation)"
[05:41] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  Hold on
[05:42] <bob2> shianux: yes, you pasted it before.  it's a bug that was in Debian a long time ago, please ask on the mailing list.
[05:42] <bob2> Cloudchaser: because root already did?
[05:42] <shianux> bob2: ok, thanks
[05:42] <Cloudchaser> yes root did because mount -a didn't work without sudo
[05:42] <bob2> yes, I know
[05:43] <ArCHoNKoG> guys how can i get a list on ports for ubuntu
[05:43] <bob2> ArCHoNKoG: 'ports'?
[05:43] <ArCHoNKoG> hmmm
[05:43] <ArCHoNKoG> a list of packages i can get useing apt-get
[05:43] <bob2> shianux: do you have build-essential installed?
[05:43] <LinuxSanta> bob2 its no longer there
[05:44] <bob2> LinuxSanta: bugs are not removed from bugzilla
[05:44] <LinuxSanta> i reported it awhile back its not in the bug list anymore
[05:44] <bob2> ArCHoNKoG: there's 12 000 of them
[05:44] <ArCHoNKoG> ok
[05:44] <bob2> LinuxSanta: what's your email address?
[05:44] <Cloudchaser> ok i'll try auto and users instead of user and see what happens ;)
[05:44] <ArCHoNKoG> how can i search for a packages
[05:44] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  So then how do i find bugs not in mybugs?
[05:44] <ArCHoNKoG> is there a page
[05:44] <ArCHoNKoG> or something
[05:44] <bob2> ArCHoNKoG: there isn't, sorry
[05:44] <plasmo> ArCHoNGKoG: synaptic
[05:44] <neuro_> ArCHoNKoG: try synaptic
[05:44] <neuro_> plasmo: snap
[05:44] <plasmo> or apt-cache search
[05:44] <bob2> ArCHoNKoG: do you know about "apt-cache" and synaptic?
[05:44] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  let me pm u
[05:45] <bob2> Cloudchaser: that won't do what you want, either
[05:45] <neuro_> it's Redundancy Night here in #ubuntu :>
[05:45] <plasmo> wats snap lol
[05:45] <Cloudchaser> why not?
[05:45] <neuro_> the card game snap?
[05:45] <plasmo> :0
[05:45] <bob2> Cloudchaser: because auto says 'mount at boot', which will be as root
[05:45] <Cloudchaser> well fooey
[05:46] <Cloudchaser> ok then
[05:46] <ferris> can any of you tell me how to update my menus (I am using xfce desktop)
[05:46] <Cloudchaser> i don't have auto now
[05:46] <LinuxSanta> the bug is no longer in my bugs
[05:46] <Cloudchaser> but user can't mount it with mount -a
[05:46] <LinuxSanta> how do u retrieve bugs no longer in the my bugs section?
[05:46] <shianux> bob2: I'm not sure, how do I find out?
[05:47] <Cloudchaser> this is so confusing
[05:47] <ArCHoNKoG> dones't make sence
[05:47] <bob2> shianux: it's a package, install it if you want to build anything at all
[05:47] <bob2> ArCHoNKoG: what doesn't?
[05:47] <ArCHoNKoG> its not letting me get the plug in for mozilla
[05:47] <bob2> Cloudchaser: which bit?
[05:47] <ArCHoNKoG> am not trying to flood but this is what i get
[05:47] <Cloudchaser> ok the "user" or "users" option in fstab says any user can mount
[05:47] <bob2> LinuxSanta: I'm 99% certain nothing has ever been removed
[05:47] <Cloudchaser> or all users can mount
[05:47] <ArCHoNKoG> archon@archon:~ $ sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[05:47] <ArCHoNKoG> Reading Package Lists... Done
[05:47] <ArCHoNKoG> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[05:47] <ArCHoNKoG> enabl: Couldn't find package flashplayer-mozilla
[05:47] <Cloudchaser> but i have user in there now and i can't mount or unmount
[05:47] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  its not in my bugs
[05:47] <bob2> ArCHoNKoG: yes, that's because apt doesn't know about the package
[05:48] <plasmo> mmm
[05:48] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  So then how can one retrieve them?
[05:48] <plasmo> type apt-get update first
[05:48] <bob2> LinuxSanta: then search for it yourself if you won't let me know what your address is
[05:48] <bob2> plasmo: no
[05:48] <LinuxSanta> bob2 i gave u my address
[05:48] <bob2> ArCHoNKoG: enable multiverse in your apt config
[05:48] <LinuxSanta> in msg
[05:48] <LinuxSanta> i will not give it in channel
[05:48] <ferris> AeCHKog: What are you trying to do?
[05:48] <Cloudchaser> so if i have to choose between one, i'd rather boot up and do mount -a as user and mount them all as user
[05:48] <plasmo> ah yeah
[05:48] <ArCHoNKoG> you mean How to add extra repositories
[05:48] <Cloudchaser> heya plasmo!
[05:48] <bob2> LinuxSanta: you haven't /msg'd me successfully
[05:48] <plasmo> hey :D
[05:48] <ArCHoNKoG> ferris, atlest type name right
[05:49] <bob2> ArCHoNKoG: if you're followingthat ubuntu guide thing, reread the section about flash more carefully
[05:49] <LinuxSanta> bob2 yes i did
[05:49] <LinuxSanta> ill remsg it to bob2
[05:49] <LinuxSanta> if u didnt get it
[05:49] <bob2> LinuxSanta: no, you haven't.  I would guess because your nick is not registered and I'm blocking you.
[05:49] <LinuxSanta> oh
[05:49] <LinuxSanta> lol
[05:49] <bob2> the irc server will have told you that if it's the case
[05:49] <LinuxSanta> yeah i saw that now
[05:49] <LinuxSanta> bob2 is blocking messages from unidentified users.  You must register and identify with NickServ before talking to this user.
[05:50] <LinuxSanta> smart :P
[05:50] <LinuxSanta> its easier for me to just find the bug
[05:50] <LinuxSanta> but its gone
[05:50] <LinuxSanta> it would be under refresh rate
[05:50] <LinuxSanta> but the bug isnt mine
[05:50] <bob2> oh, of course
[05:50] <ferris> ArCHoNKoG: I do apologize... not used to this laptop.
[05:51] <NeoXed> http://radi0.blackboxz.net:8000/listen.pls
[05:51] <drspin> ok so earlier we talked about a firewall for linux... I need a firewall because I'm a control freak...
[05:51] <bob2> NeoXed: please don't
[05:51] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  Its prolly still there if i knew the specific bug #
[05:51] <bob2> drspin: you have nothing to block
[05:51] <ArCHoNKoG> ferris, its all good in the hood
[05:51] <LinuxSanta> but its not in the search listing anymore or my bugs
[05:51] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  I think your right in that bugs arent deleted
[05:51] <drspin> bob2: maybe not...
[05:51] <LinuxSanta> but they dont appear in the search or my bugs section after a period of time or something
[05:52] <drspin> bob2: but I'm a control freak
[05:52] <bob2> drspin: but what do you want to control?
[05:52] <bob2> drspin: by default there's nothing on your system listening to anything
[05:53] <drspin> bob2: I want to block a few ports that bitTorrent uses
[05:53] <LinuxSanta> hmm
[05:53] <LinuxSanta> cant find it
[05:53] <drspin> bob2: besides firewall configuration could come in handy later in life
[05:54] <bob2> ok...
[05:54] <LinuxSanta> its late anyways <grin>
[05:54] <drspin> bob2: so, any suggestions?
[05:55] <bob2> I quite like shorewall.
[05:56] <drspin> bob2: I'll check it out
[05:56] <drspin> bob2: what is your opinion of iptables?
[05:56] <bob2> er, all firewalls on linux use iptables
[05:57] <bob2> it's the kernel firewalling system
[05:57] <bob2> everything else is just a layer on top of it to make it simpler to use
[05:59] <drspin> bob2: ok -- so if I learn iptables inside and out, I would be able to configure a linux firewall
[05:59] <bob2> for 2.4 and 2.6 kernels, yeah
[06:00] <bob2> ipchains isn't very different
[06:00] <bob2> 2.0's was
[06:00] <drspin> heh you've beena linux user for a while huh?
[06:00] <drspin> ;)
[06:01] <bob2> only since 2000
[06:01] <drspin> oh
[06:02] <drspin> I just switched again
[06:02] <drspin> so far I like ubuntu alot
[06:03] <drspin> easier to get things workin than Gentoo or my old suse and rehat installs
[06:06] <ferris> are there any xfce experts here?
[06:07] <ferris> I need help with enabling/ updating my menus
[06:07] <bob2> might want to try #xfce, assuming the answer someone else gave you didn't help
[06:08] <ferris> bob2: I tried them but no one knew anything
[06:08] <bob2> or their mailing list, perhaps
[06:09] <ferris> bob2: I also tried the #debian room as well
[06:09] <ferris> they could not help
[06:10] <ferris> bob2: funny thing is it is an easy command... something like update -u menu
[06:10] <ferris> just not sure
[06:10] <bob2> yes, I know
[06:10] <ferris> are you in the #debian room too?
[06:11] <bob2> yes
[06:22] <Cloudchaser> ogra you still here??
[06:24] <Cloudchaser> oh holy toledo i got it!
[06:24] <Cloudchaser> syncd my palm
[06:24] <Cloudchaser> its so tricky
[06:28] <ArCHoNKoG> i wanna know what do i have to do so i can listen to mp3 songs
[06:29] <zenrox> ArCHoNKoG, install xmms
[06:29] <ArCHoNKoG> not working
[06:29] <ArCHoNKoG> i just installed it
[06:29] <zenrox> why not
[06:29] <ArCHoNKoG> thats the reason am here
[06:29] <niran> apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:29] <niran> i think
[06:30] <niran> that should do it for rhythmbox
[06:30] <zenrox> niran, sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8.mad
[06:30] <ArCHoNKoG> Reading Package Lists... Done
[06:30] <ArCHoNKoG> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[06:30] <ArCHoNKoG> enabl: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:30] <niran> go to synaptic and add the universe repositories
[06:30] <zenrox> Warty Guide: http://ubuntuguide.org <<--try that ArCHoNKoG
[06:30] <zenrox> ArCHoNKoG,  that holds all the keys
[06:33] <ArCHoNKoG> i can't get that packages
[06:34] <zenrox> read add more respotartys
[06:35] <zenrox> to your ubuntu
[06:35] <crimsun> ArCHoNKoG: < niran> go to synaptic and add the universe repositories
[06:37] <shianux> hi all
[06:37] <shianux> back
[06:37] <shianux> still stuck in 640x480
[06:38] <ArCHoNKoG> that is so fucking hot
[06:38] <ArCHoNKoG> thaanks crimsun
[06:39] <Cloudchaser> i got 2 things accomplished today!
[06:39] <Cloudchaser> ;)
[06:40] <plasmo> :-)
[06:40] <Cloudchaser> only took most of the day too!
[06:40] <Cloudchaser> hehe
[06:41] <skobrosl> hello anyone here know any good mp3 players for gnome?
[06:41] <Agrajag> rhythmbox and muine
[06:42] <skobrosl> munie?
[06:42] <Agrajag> no, muine
[06:42] <skobrosl> OK
[06:42] <skobrosl> apt-get dosent seem to have it
[06:42] <crimsun> it's in hoary/universe
[06:43] <skobrosl> i have warthy
[06:43] <crimsun> you'll probably need to stick w/ rhythmbox then
[06:44] <crimsun> I'm ironing out gtk# 1.9.1 issues so I can build a deb of muine-0.7.0 in a chroot.
[06:44] <niran> i compiled it, but i don't know how to build debs
[06:44] <zenrox> crimsun,  trying to back port it??
[06:44] <crimsun> zenrox: no
[06:45] <plasmo> niran: use checkinstall for making .deb
[06:45] <niran> crimsun, do you want me to tell you all the crap i had to download to get it to compile?
[06:45] <crimsun> I'm building against current sid; when it finishes I'll use a new chroot to build for hoary
[06:45] <skobrosl> has anyone here built mono from source?
[06:46] <niran> oh ok
[06:46] <crimsun> niran: I've already built it
[06:46] <crimsun> niran: I'm just ironing out the gtk# 1->2 transition
[06:46] <niran> i see
[06:46] <crimsun> then I need to coordinate w/ #debian-mono to make sure the path is smooth
[06:47] <skobrosl> crimsun: is it difficult?
[06:47] <shianux> anyone knows how to fix res in x.org?
[06:47] <shianux> I lost my 1400x1050 when I upgraded from xfree to xorg
[06:48] <shianux> the only choice I'm given is 640x480 now
[06:48] <crimsun> skobrosl: not at all, but I've been building debs for quite some time.
[06:48] <skobrosl> crimsun which debs are they the devel version of mono?
[06:48] <crimsun> skobrosl: no, I'm using a sid chroot right now, so the version is 1.0.4
[06:49] <Cloudchaser> ok nother stupid question. I want to reply to a message on the ubuntu-users mail list and have it be in same thread
[06:49] <Cloudchaser> if i hit the reply to it will go to the list but how do i reply to make it go in the right thread?
[06:49] <skobrosl> oh i am a developer i switched from mandrake 10.1
[06:50] <skobrosl> i was using mono v1.1.3
[06:50] <crimsun> afaik mono 1.1 won't be packaged yet
[06:50] <crimsun> Cloudchaser: what are you using to reply?
[06:51] <skobrosl> i noticed that ubuntu is alot faster then mandrake
[06:51] <Cloudchaser> thunderbird
[06:51] <newbiewan> Cloudchaser, won't you just use the same subject as the thread's?
[06:51] <crimsun> Cloudchaser: when you reply, the correct thread id is used transparently.
[06:52] <Cloudchaser> ah ok
[06:52] <Cloudchaser> so just hit the reply to on that message in the digest/
[06:52] <crimsun> oh, you're using digest mode?
[06:52] <crimsun> make sure you copy the subject line precisely then
[06:52] <Cloudchaser> yes and there's no reply to cept in the main header
[06:52] <Cloudchaser> ok
[06:52] <niran> shianux: you still there?
[06:53] <Cloudchaser> Subject: Re: Syncing Treo 90 with JPilot on Ubuntu
[06:53] <skobrosl> is building from source dificult?
[06:53] <Cloudchaser> the whole thing or just whats after the Re:?
[06:53] <crimsun> skobrosl: nope, but upstream has some odd habits that #debian-mono group does not agree with.
[06:53] <skobrosl> >'
[06:54] <skobrosl> dont quite understand
[06:54] <crimsun> skobrosl: hence it is sometimes a PITA to fix upstream
[06:54] <skobrosl> oh
[06:56] <newbiewan> Cloud, if you make the subject with or without the re, the search processes can put it together on most lists.
[06:56] <Cloudchaser> ok thanks so much ;)
[06:59] <Scorp> wait for ubuntu for ppc should I make the partions myself or let the installer do it, will it create a bootstrap for me?
[06:59] <shianux> niran: yes, I'm still here
[06:59] <shianux> can't seem to get out of 640x480 ever since I upgraded to xorg in hoary
[06:59] <niran> shianux: ok, i still use xfree86, but i think this should still work
[07:00] <niran> shianux: run "gksudo gedit"
[07:00] <niran> shianux: and open xorg.conf
[07:00] <niran> it should be in /etc/xorg
[07:00] <niran> or something like that
[07:01] <shianux> ok
[07:01] <shianux> got it
[07:01] <niran> ok, search for "subsection "display""
[07:01] <niran> without the outer quotes
[07:02] <shianux> ok found it
[07:02] <niran> is it in section "screen"?
[07:03] <shianux> yes it is
[07:03] <niran> ok, what does it say next to modes?
[07:03] <shianux> only 1 option, "1400 x 1050"
[07:03] <niran> and that's the one you want, but it's not working
[07:03] <niran> hmm...
[07:03] <shianux> I know
[07:04] <shianux> tat's why I'm so puzzled
[07:04] <shianux> I wonder is there any where else apart from xorg.conf which stores resolution settings
[07:04] <victor> hi
[07:05] <niran> i don't think so
[07:05] <niran> try adding a few other common resolutions
[07:05] <victor> you probably get this a LOT but is the next release of ubuntu going to have Xorg?
[07:05] <victor> by the way, GREAT distro!
[07:05] <Scorp> wait for ubuntu for ppc should I make the partions myself or let the installer do it, will it create a bootstrap for me?
[07:06] <niran> victor: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals
[07:06] <niran> it says it's done
[07:06] <niran> so i'm assuming yes
[07:07] <ArCHoNKoG> :( can't play my mp3's
[07:07] <shianux> niran: or could it be a problem with gdm? maybe gnome doesn't see the settings in X?
[07:07] <shianux> niran: I know that sounds dumb, but ahha, I'm out of ideas so I'm just guessing
[07:08] <niran> shianux: i don't think so
[07:08] <niran> what video card are you using?
[07:09] <decklin> ArCHoNKoG, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:09] <victor> thanks, niran
[07:09] <niran> victor: no problem
[07:09] <shianux> niran: I'm on a laptop, dell inspiron 8000 and I've got the Geforce2Go, but I didn't install the nvidia drivers cuz I heard about all the problems
[07:10] <shianux> niran: the really strange thing is that the screen res is correct in XFree but not in Xorg
[07:12] <niran> shianux: that's weird. i'm out of ideas
[07:12] <niran> this is the point when i'd cry and roll back to xfree
[07:13] <Scorp> anyone, does the automated partitioning create a bootstrap partion on PPC installations?
[07:13] <shianux> how do I roll back to xfree in hoary?
[07:14] <Scorp> I need a response so I can restart the installation
[07:14] <shianux> niran: is it possible to keep all the upgrades in hoary and only roll back the xserver?
[07:14] <ArCHoNKoG> decklin, it worked thanks
[07:15] <niran> shianux: hmm... it might be dirty, but try it
[07:16] <niran> shianux: i'm running a mix of hoary and warty right now anyway, i just upgrade packages that look interesting
[07:16] <niran> shainux: muine, liferea, etc, but nothing intergral to the system unless something depends on them
[07:17] <newbiewan> What is the most current version of Firefox in Warty?
[07:17] <niran> 0.9.3
[07:17] <crimsun> 0.9.3
[07:17] <shianux> niran: I'm thinking that maybe xfree-common might help avoid possible breakages?
[07:17] <Scorp> ...how the hell did you guys manage to pack all this stuff into 1 cd?
[07:18] <newbiewan> Thanks, so does Hoary have 1.0 or later?
[07:18] <crimsun> newbiewan: yes.
[07:18] <GotD0t> newbiewan: yes, but you'll prefer .9.3
[07:19] <newbiewan> I've played with 1.0 in pclinuxos livecd and I think it is pretty cool, RSS and all.
[07:19] <niran> shianux: i don't really know. rolling back has always been a pain for me, cause it's hard to do it all at once in synaptic without it removing stuff that depends on the package in question
[07:19] <victor> is there a newer firefox in any of the apt-get repositories?
[07:19] <crimsun> victor: for warty? http://ubuntu-bp.sf.net/
[07:19] <niran> newbiewan: i'm using 1.0 right now on top of warty, but it's a little buggy
[07:19] <victor> ok
[07:20] <Cloudchaser> i'm trying to compile my first app in ubuntu and did ./configure but got this msg:
[07:20] <Cloudchaser> checking for C++ compiler default output file name... configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables
[07:20] <Cloudchaser> See `config.log' for more details.
[07:20] <Scorp> eh?
[07:20] <plasmo> apt-get install build-essential
[07:20] <newbiewan> I don't know what bugs you refer to, niran, I wonder if they are taken care of in 1.1.
[07:20] <Cloudchaser> i don't know what that means
[07:21] <Cloudchaser> ok i thought maybe i needed more files to be able to compile things
[07:21] <Scorp> wait ubuntu doesn't come with a compiler ?!
[07:21] <plasmo> yep
[07:21] <Scorp> where does the name come from anyway?
[07:21] <victor> crimsun, will that repository be included in the next release?
[07:21] <plasmo> not installed by default i think
[07:21] <crimsun> Scorp: `sudo apt-get install build-essential'
[07:21] <niran> newbiewan: after leaving firefox open for a while, trying to click a link an external program opens the profile manager
[07:21] <crimsun> victor: no
[07:21] <Scorp> wait wait wait I still need to get it installed to begin with lol
[07:21] <ArCHoNKoG> would you know why sounds works in xmms but when i lauch a dvd no sound ?
[07:21] <Scorp> I'll worry about a compiler a bit later
[07:22] <victor> crimsun, i see
[07:22] <crimsun> ArCHoNKoG: are both programs set to use esd?
[07:22] <Astinus> Hrmmm, can I just query why Ubuntu is still using an archaic version of Webmin?
[07:22] <crimsun> Astinus: "archaic?"
[07:22] <Cloudchaser> foo missing a library now
[07:22] <newbiewan> niran, hmmm, seems like something one would not want. :-(
[07:22] <ArCHoNKoG> crimsun, not sure how can i find out
[07:22] <plasmo> wat library
[07:22] <Astinus> crimsun: Yeah, its bloody ancient - like 6 months out of date.
[07:23] <GotD0t> ArCHoNKoG: do you have an onboard sound card and a pci sound card?
[07:23] <crimsun> Astinus: I see 1.160 in sid/hoary
[07:23] <crimsun> Astinus: what's in warty?
[07:23] <ArCHoNKoG> pci for mic and usb for sound
[07:23] <Astinus> Astinus, 1.170 is current
[07:23] <Astinus> crimsun: 1.150 is warty
[07:23] <niran> newbiewan: yeah, i put up with it though. i just restart when it does that. it's really a shame though
[07:23] <crimsun> Astinus: that's not terribly bad...
[07:23] <Astinus> crimsun: It is when you consider that Webmin won't work with modules if its outta date.
[07:24] <Astinus> crimsun: It has to be kept up to date or things break :D
[07:24] <crimsun> Astinus: it should work w/ everything in warty.
[07:24] <Astinus> crimsun:  Would you advise an upgrade to Hoary on an AMD64 install?
[07:24] <Astinus> I generally run Sarge/Sid when playing with Debian - same thing here/
[07:25] <crimsun> Astinus: well, webmin is in 'universe', so Ubuntu developers aren't going to concentrate on keeping it current
[07:25] <crimsun> Astinus: Hoary is far more bleeding-edge than Sid+experimental
[07:25] <Astinus> Hrmmm, fair enough.
[07:26] <Astinus> Out of pure interest since I Just got a AMD64, I don't see any difference in my sources.list for an x86 and AMD64 -- how are the packages different?
[07:26] <shianux> niran: I'm back with XFree, but the res is still stuck at 640x480
[07:26] <crimsun> Astinus: different target
[07:27] <shianux> which must mean it has nothing to do with X, isn't it?
[07:27] <Astinus> crimsun:  Hrmmm, I was getting a weird dpkg error under AMD64 actually.
[07:27] <Astinus> Something about the architecture not being listed somewhere
[07:27] <niran> shianux: hmm... did anything else change since then?
[07:27] <Scorp> wait wtf root is disabled by default? is this a good thing?
[07:28] <Cloudchaser> ok i need zlib an there's a whole bunch of them in the apt-cache search list
[07:28] <crimsun> Scorp: yes, it's a good thing
[07:28] <shianux> niran: no, it was a quick changeover
[07:28] <Astinus> Scorp:  Yes, it stops people mucking it up :P
[07:28] <Scorp> very cool
[07:28] <crimsun> Cloudchaser: to compile something that depends on zlib?
[07:28] <Cloudchaser> yes
[07:28] <crimsun> Cloudchaser: install zlib1g-dev
[07:28] <niran> shianux: you wouldn't happen to have a backup xfree86config-4 file anywhere, would you?
[07:28] <SmokingFire> can dpkg use repositories?
[07:28] <Scorp> but how am I going to screw up everything if I can't be root??!
[07:28] <Astinus> Precisely :-D
[07:29] <crimsun> SmokingFire: dpkg just handles installing and removing packages
[07:29] <Astinus> Well you could sudo an rm -rf /
[07:29] <Cloudchaser> well fooey it wants expat ..i installed it and it can't find it
[07:29] <crimsun> SmokingFire: other programs layer on top of dpkg to handle repos
[07:29] <Scorp> so the first user basicly can do any command by typing sudo infront of it?
[07:29] <GotD0t> Scorp: you cant "BE" root but you can do something "AS" root
[07:29] <plasmo> zlib1g-dev is probli the one u need
[07:29] <bob2> dpkg knows about single packages, and their relationships
[07:29] <Astinus> Scorp:  Yeah
[07:29] <bob2> apt knows about repositories
[07:30] <Cloudchaser> this is just goofy
[07:30] <Scorp> so what's keeping me from scrweing up someones day by sending him a script that executes sudo rm -rf / and (obviouysly a newbie) him running it?
[07:30] <SmokingFire> crimsun: to bad.  But getting those depends manually is PITA
[07:30] <shianux> niran: no... but I just thought of something... I'll run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 again
[07:30] <bob2> Scorp: the fact you're not evil?
[07:30] <shianux> niran: do you think I should enable frame buffer?
[07:30] <niran> shianux: that was my next suggestion =)
[07:30] <shianux> niran: what does the frame buffer thingy do anyway?
[07:30] <bob2> SmokingFire: get whoever mad the deb to use a proper repository
[07:30] <niran> shianux: if it was disabled before, i'd say leave it
[07:30] <bob2> or make your own
[07:30] <Scorp> bob2 well I meant that as a very *hypothetical* situation ;)
[07:30] <crimsun> SmokingFire: what package?
[07:31] <SmokingFire> crimsun: xmltv and eventually gnometv
[07:31] <bob2> Scorp: nothing but encouragiing a culture where a) people don't send that and b) where newbies don't run random stuff people send to them
[07:31] <shianux> niran: yeah, it was disabled before... but I wonder, does it have anything to do with the screen res? haha, I guess probably not
[07:31] <niran> shianux: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Framebuffer
[07:31] <niran> i didn't really know either =)
[07:31] <Cloudchaser> Couldn't find package zlibg-dev
[07:31] <Scorp> bob2 but what will that do to the whole Linux culture?!
[07:31] <Scorp> actually it sounds like a good approach
[07:31] <crimsun> Cloudchaser: please read what I pasted above regarding zlib1g-dev
[07:32] <bob2> Cloudchaser: zlib1g-dev - compression library - development
[07:32] <Scorp> is ubuntu the only distro/OS to do this or is this a debian thing?
[07:32] <crimsun> SmokingFire: xmltv is in hoary/universe. Do you have the 'universe' repo enabled?
[07:32] <bob2> Scorp: to do what?
[07:32] <victor> hi, is there a kernel source package for apt-get?
[07:32] <SmokingFire> crimsun: I have, I must have overlooked it
[07:32] <crimsun> victor: linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>
[07:32] <bob2> victor: yes...are you trying to build a module?
[07:32] <victor> yes
[07:33] <Scorp> bob2: disable root and encourage people to sudo ...
[07:33] <niran> victor: apt-cache search will search the repositories
[07:33] <victor> crimsun: thanks
[07:33] <niran> or use synaptic
[07:33] <victor> oh
[07:33] <victor> cool
[07:33] <bob2> victor: then you don't want the source, you want: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[07:33] <crimsun> victor: install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[07:33] <xskoulax> hey, on the livecd is there a way to get the terminals working
[07:33] <xskoulax> they won't listen to keyboard
[07:33] <bob2> Scorp: OS X does it, too, don't know of any linux-based ones that do
[07:33] <victor> alright
[07:33] <Cloudchaser> i'm sorry crimsun, i missed a letter
[07:34] <Scorp> I see
[07:34] <SmokingFire> crimsun: I can't find it. I have universe and multiverse enabled
[07:34] <xskoulax> wtf? text editor dosn't either
[07:34] <Cloudchaser> i got it now
[07:34] <Cloudchaser> thanks ;)
[07:34] <crimsun> SmokingFire: `apt-cache policy xmltv'
[07:34] <crimsun> SmokingFire: if that returns nothing, then it's only in hoary/universe
[07:34] <Cloudchaser> thats why it didn't work the first time...cause i missed a letter
[07:35] <xskoulax> nm now it all of a sudden listens
[07:35] <SmokingFire> crimsun: returns nothing
[07:35] <bob2> yes
[07:35] <Cloudchaser> must be time to sleep
[07:35] <victor> anyway
[07:35] <crimsun> SmokingFire: then it's as I said regarding hoary/universe
[07:35] <victor> good distro
[07:36] <SmokingFire> crimsun: I'm adding the hoary repos temporary just to fetch it
[07:36] <plasmo> good weed :)
[07:36] <huwr> hrm... So I install Ubuntu and use ReiserFS on my boot partition, then Grub goes and has an error saying "Cannot mount selected partition", and apparently that means it can't recognise the filesystem.
[07:36] <huwr> Any ideas?
[07:37] <crimsun> SmokingFire: that's a really dangerous thing to do...
[07:37] <newbiewan> shianux: I found using the framebuffer was the only way I could get 1280x1024 resolution with some distros like BeatrIX. The cheat code was fb1280x1024.
[07:37] <SmokingFire> crimsun: as long as it can't physically destroy my computer its ok.
[07:37] <shianux> hi all, back, and I'm still stuck in 640x480 hell
[07:38] <Scorp> how do I set the time correctly?
[07:38] <crimsun> SmokingFire: you might end up with a bigger headache
[07:38] <Scorp> sorry for being such a loser it's been awhile
[07:38] <bob2> shianux: you didn't find the bug report yet?
[07:38] <bob2> Scorp: 'sudo ntpdate'
[07:39] <Scorp> ty
[07:39] <shianux> bob2: the few that I could find didn't seem to have any clues on how to fix it...
[07:39] <huwr> or people could just ignore me, that works, too. :p
[07:39] <Cloudchaser> scorp i know the feeling..
 shianux: I found using the framebuffer was the only way I could get 1280x1024 resolution with some distros like BeatrIX. The cheat code was fb1280x1024.
[07:39] <Scorp> wait wait ntpdate and is there a server I need to specify?
[07:40] <newbiewan> Ooops, he quit again.  :-/
[07:40] <plasmo> select the server from the clock
[07:40] <bob2> huwr: try asking on the list, I guess
[07:40] <bob2> Scorp: no, it defaults to one
[07:41] <bob2> (ntp.ubuntulinux.org)
[07:41] <Scorp> ok
[07:42] <flamesrock> hi, I was hoping one of you knowledgeable people could answer a question about ftp for me?
[07:42] <niran> ask away
[07:42] <bob2> it's best to just ask
[07:43] <flamesrock> Is it possible to have multiple people simultaneously use the same ftp account?
[07:43] <bob2> yes
[07:43] <flamesrock> excellent, tx :)
[07:44] <bob2> but it's a bad idea
[07:44] <bob2> why would you want people to share?
[07:44] <flamesrock> whys that?
[07:44] <flamesrock> well its an open repository pretty much
[07:44] <bob2> same reason it's bad to have people share unix accounts
[07:44] <bob2> open repository of what?
[07:44] <flamesrock> savegame files
[07:45] <bob2> hah
[07:45] <flamesrock> the user doesn't know directly though - its handled by the client
[07:45] <bob2> why not just have anonymous ftp upload then?
[07:45] <flamesrock> well I could, but I want the files to have a tiny bit of protection from people with bad intentions
[07:46] <flamesrock> the user never sees the ftp username and password
[07:46] <flamesrock> and its changed daily..well the design decision might change
[07:47] <flamesrock> I just needed to know before I programmed something into it that would make the whole design fall like a house of cards
[07:48] <ArCHoNKoG> anyone played wma with xmms
[07:48] <flamesrock> anonymous ftp would be good if the files didn't need to be overwritten though :), but they do since its like a multiplayer thing
[07:48] <flamesrock> yup, you need to download the plugin
[07:49] <flamesrock> but it doesn't completely work
[07:49] <ArCHoNKoG> which one
[07:49] <ArCHoNKoG> because i have been searching
[07:50] <flamesrock> just type xmms into synaptic
[07:50] <flamesrock> come to think of it, you might need to enable the universe
[07:50] <GotD0t> flamesrock: how does the client recieve the new password?
[07:51] <flamesrock> kindof a silly implemenation..but it stores the password and username in a file, encoded (I was thinking of using rotor)
[07:51] <flamesrock> on the server
[07:52] <GotD0t> flamesrock: so any thing that logs onto the server can retrieve the encoded password for the day
[07:52] <flamesrock> thats the one thing holding me back from distributing the source actually
[07:52] <flamesrock> not directly, its all handled by the client
[07:52] <flamesrock> and since they don't see the source, they won't know how to encode it
[07:53] <GotD0t> flamesrock: i mean, anything that looks like the client will be able retrieve the encoded password?
[07:53] <flamesrock> yup heh
[07:53] <flamesrock> anybody can just type the url in
[07:54] <GotD0t> flamesrock: so you're not even using your own protocol...
[07:55] <flamesrock> nope, I completely suck at programming right now
[07:55] <flamesrock> how would I do that?
[07:55] <saguro12> I have an IBM laptop, and I am concerned as my fan does not turn on in this distro...
[07:55] <saguro12> can anyone help me?
[07:55] <GotD0t> flamesrock: so theres no way of telling if its actually the client asking for the encoded password or just someone in a web browser
[07:55] <GotD0t> saguro12: did you install with acpi?
[07:55] <flamesrock> nope :) I'm relying on a special encoding to keep them hidden
[07:56] <GotD0t> hehe
[07:56] <saguro12> yes. gotdot.
[07:56] <saguro12> should I not have?
[07:56] <flamesrock> it might not work though, I'm not experienced with this stuff
[07:56] <GotD0t> saguro12: then i've no clue... no experience with laptops
[07:56] <flamesrock> how would you do it?
[07:56] <GotD0t> flamesrock: how are you encoding?
[07:56] <flamesrock> you know the enigma machine code?
[07:56] <saguro12> hmmm...I've tried the net, but there's not much around..  you know any websites that might help?
[07:57] <GotD0t> flamesrock: hahaha
[07:57] <flamesrock> I was going to do that 3 times over
[07:57] <flamesrock> lol
[07:57] <GotD0t> flamesrock: i could crack something encoded with that... and im just in highschool
[07:57] <flamesrock> I know its stupid but I have no idea how else to do it
[07:57] <GotD0t> flamesrock: now that you know how to do it
[07:57] <GotD0t> flamesrock: why password protect it at all?
[07:57] <bob2> saguro12: try asking on the user list
[07:58] <flamesrock> from malicious users basically. I trust most people, but there are always guys who want to mess around with it
[07:59] <GotD0t> flamesrock: so you want to keep people from modifying the game data
[07:59] <bob2> it sounds like a malicious user can overwrite everyone elses files, tho
[07:59] <GotD0t> bob2: if they pull the password
[08:00] <saguro12> user list?
[08:00] <bob2> saguro12: mailing list
[08:00] <flamesrock> nope, lol...thats the irony. I WANT people to modify the game data
[08:00] <bob2> GotD0t: which every client will have
[08:00] <flamesrock> its a multiplayer repository type thing
[08:00] <bob2> flamesrock: so what's the password protecting then?
[08:00] <GotD0t> flamesrock: you want the CLIENT to modify the data, not hte user itself
[08:00] <flamesrock> but this way I can track IP's and have a little security
[08:00] <saguro12> thanks bob2.  I'll go to the ubuntu forum and post.
[08:00] <bob2> saguro12: the list, not the forum
[08:01] <saguro12> sorry.
[08:01] <flamesrock> pretty much. The user creates the new files and overwrites the old ones
[08:01] <GotD0t> flamesrock: see what you need to do is have the SERVER handle all data and have the clients retrieve the data from the server
[08:01] <flamesrock> thats the original way we did it, hehe
[08:02] <flamesrock> but it was way too cumbersome
[08:02] <ArCHoNKoG> has anyone got gdesklet-data to work ?
[08:02] <GotD0t> flamesrock: thats the most secure way
[08:02] <bob2> ArCHoNKoG: lots of people
[08:02] <flamesrock> we did it with php and mysql. But it was hardly usable because users had to jump through so many hoops
[08:02] <bob2> tho it's possible it was broken in hoary by python 2.4
[08:03] <flamesrock> this way, there's less security, but its extremely easy to use
[08:03] <ArCHoNKoG> bob2, would you know it won't load
[08:03] <GotD0t> flamesrock: hmm
[08:04] <flamesrock> and faster (you'd have to download ~3megs of data first the serverside way)
[08:04] <bob2> ArCHoNKoG: ?
[08:04] <GotD0t> flamesrock: its a bad idea to save any data on the users hard disk unencrpypted
[08:05] <bob2> you can't usefully encrypt it in Free Software
[08:05] <GotD0t> bob2: exactly... thats why an open source MMO (like planeshift) doesn't save stuff on the users hard disk
[08:05] <flamesrock> yup, I was planning on reading it directly to memory :)
[08:06] <bob2> right
[08:06] <GotD0t> flamesrock: explain that statement
[08:06] <flamesrock> but most of the people using the system will be fairly young, so I'm not too worried
[08:07] <flamesrock> well, downloading the file, opening the contents and deleting it immediately
[08:07] <flamesrock> and then unencoding
[08:07] <GotD0t> flamesrock: so you don't store any data on their hard disk
[08:08] <flamesrock> only things like configuration files
[08:08] <GotD0t> flamesrock: ok then
[08:08] <GotD0t> flamesrock: so lemme get this straight
[08:08] <ArCHoNKoG> bob2, when i click on it in app i just get a windows saying starting gdesk and give it like 20 secound the windows closes
[08:09] <GotD0t> flamesrock: someone plays the game, any changes made to the character or whatever gets sent to the server, and then when they log on again they retrieve it again?
[08:09] <bob2> ArCHoNKoG: ok.  try asking on the user list, I guess
[08:10] <flamesrock> well, its a region composed of cities. A user claims however many cities, plays them, uploads their cities, and downloads the other users cities
[08:10] <GotD0t> flamesrock: and they upload it to a ftp server with a password?
[08:10] <GotD0t> flamesrock: which changes every day?
[08:10] <flamesrock> yup, well the client does it automatically basically
[08:10] <flamesrock> come to think of it
[08:11] <flamesrock> theres not much of a reason to change the password if they can crack it
[08:11] <GotD0t> flamesrock: right, ok... and how exactly do they receive the pasword each day
[08:11] <bob2> they don't need to crack it, you gave it to them
[08:11] <flamesrock> it has something to do with the way they login:
[08:11] <Scorp> during the installation I got to the part where I install extra software and now all I'm seeing are "Setting up python**-****" lines how long is this going to take?
[08:11] <bob2> Scorp: not too long
[08:11] <Scorp> bob2 it's already taking too long lol
[08:12] <flamesrock> nope, I don't give it to them, bob2, the client gets it. When a user registers
[08:12] <Scorp> I'm on python2.3-reportlab (1.19debian-0.1)
[08:12] <flamesrock> the client generates a key string of 10 letters/numbers
[08:12] <bob2> flamesrock: that means they have it
[08:12] <flamesrock> and saves a file under that name
[08:12] <Scorp> or pyopenssl
[08:12] <flamesrock> hmm I don't think so
[08:12] <bob2> Scorp: go make a cup of tea or something...you don't have to sit and watch it
[08:12] <flamesrock> that key.txt contains their info
[08:12] <ryan_> Hi all. I have installed xmms, but it will not open. It is giving me a weird error when i try to launch it from a terminal. here is the info. http://www.pastebin.com/133458  Do you know what is going on?
[08:12] <Cloudchaser> g'night everyone and thanks for all the help!!!
[08:12] <bob2> flamesrock: if you send it to the client, the user has it
[08:13] <flamesrock> the directory which its stored in has apache listing turned off
[08:13] <bob2> ryan_: something about linker inconsitencies?
[08:13] <flamesrock> so the client has to access it directly
[08:13] <Scorp> bob2 yeah but as soon as I leave it'll finish
[08:13] <flamesrock> if it exists, the client can then access and unencode the file which contains the password and user
[08:14] <bob2> this sounds like you're just adding layers of obscurity...
[08:14] <GotD0t> exactly
[08:14] <flamesrock> heh, pretty much, but like I said its makeshift :)
[08:14] <flamesrock> I don't want to make it so secure that it makes the concept unusable
[08:14] <GotD0t> flamesrock: how is the data stored on the server
[08:14] <bob2> you don't have to
[08:15] <ryan_> bob2: lol, srry, im tired, i just installed libmikmod2 and it now works...guess i need to use my brain more often :P
[08:15] <bob2> make each client generate a key and send the public part during registration
[08:15] <bob2> then have them sign their files before they upload it
[08:15] <flamesrock> the user keys are stored in an unlistable directory. The regions are stored under the ftp directory, in seperate folders
[08:15] <bob2> ryan_: ah, right, the old-bug-in-the-nvidia-drivers thing
[08:15] <flamesrock> the config files are located all over the place
[08:15] <flamesrock> kinda messy
[08:16] <ryan_> bob2: now that i have installed libmikmod2...will it mess up my nvidia drivers?
[08:16] <bob2> ryan_: no, it works around a bug in them
[08:16] <flamesrock> could you explain that in a little more detail bob2?
[08:16] <bob2> \don't think anyone knows why it works
[08:16] <bob2> flamesrock: which bit?
[08:16] <GotD0t> flamesrock: do you know what pgp is?
[08:16] <flamesrock> make each client generate a key and send the public part during registration
[08:16] <flamesrock> then have them sign their files before they upload it
[08:16] <ryan_> bob2: thats pretty weird...anyways, thanks!!!!
[08:16] <bob2> a gpg/pgp key
[08:16] <bob2> ryan_: you're welcome
[08:17] <flamesrock> hmm interesting..I've heard the term thrown around. how does it work?
[08:17] <bob2> what term?
[08:17] <flamesrock> pgp
[08:17] <GotD0t> flamesrock: yea... and then you have the client sign all files to make certain that the files are coming from the client and not from the user directly
[08:17] <bob2> www.gnupg.org
[08:17] <flamesrock> tx
[08:18] <bob2> in this case, then you can be sure that the person who registers i sthe person who subsequently uploads files
[08:18] <flamesrock> awesome idea, tx guys :)
[08:18] <flamesrock> I think that'll actually work
[08:18] <GotD0t> bob2: but it still doesn't protect against a malicious user
[08:18] <bob2> of course
[08:18] <bob2> you need some way to control who registers
[08:19] <GotD0t> what do you mean
[08:19] <kipod> good morning
[08:20] <flamesrock> I wanted to use public registration, but record the ip info into a special file to track them
[08:20] <GotD0t> flamesrock: cant work... most people don't have a static
[08:20] <bob2> GotD0t: any system needs some way to deal with 'random idiots signing up'
[08:21] <flamesrock> true..
[08:21] <GotD0t> bob2: but an idiot is not who you'd be protecting against
[08:22] <flamesrock> in the old system, we only had one malicious user
[08:22] <bob2> meh, you need to deal with untrusted people signing up, malicious or otherwise
[08:22] <flamesrock> exactly
[08:22] <GotD0t> bob2: well its a game... im assuming they'll all be untrusted
[08:22] <bob2> exactly
[08:23] <GotD0t> bob2: so signing the files doesn't do anything
[08:23] <bob2> er? yes it does.
[08:23] <flamesrock> lol
[08:23] <bob2> it punts the responsibility to the signup stage
[08:23] <bob2> instead of just letting random people upload anything at any time
[08:23] <GotD0t> bob2: because any reasonably intelligble person could grab their own key of their hard disk and sign a modified save file