[07:29] <mup> Bug #1885366 changed: maas 2.8.0 (stable snap) fails to initialize as a rackd <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1885366>
[08:01] <adacre> Changes of 8a5896136 making it in to 2.8?
[08:01] <adacre> s/changes/chances*
[09:03] <d0ugal> adacre: no, I don't think we can backport a feature at this point I am afraid
[09:04] <d0ugal> 2.8 has been released after all :)
[09:04] <d0ugal> We just missed landing it in time
[09:05] <adacre> bum. will wait until 2.9 for our production deployment
[09:28] <d0ugal> Sorry about that!
[10:11] <adacre> I'm just glad that we won't have to run a customised MAAS installation
[10:23] <d0ugal> Aye, that wouldn't be fun


[04:27] <bob2> edulix: hah
[04:27] <ogra> rapha: i've seen other weird things :(
[04:27] <bob2> edulix: have you tried swsusp1?
[04:27] <rapha> mjr: Well, you can tell the BIOS to auto configure it or choose the ports and stuff yourself
[04:28] <edulix> bob2: this is a laptop, not a server
[04:28] <edulix> bob2: no, how cna i?
[04:28] <rapha> bob2: So you say it should work with the 4281 driver?
[04:28] <|trey|> thoreauputic, I saw that... however he had just come back saying he couldn't find this option  :/
[04:28] <ogra> rapha: cs423x is for you
[04:28] <mjr> rapha, I'd recommend setting it yourself via the BIOS then, and tell the setting to the proper module manually
[04:28] <mjr> settings
[04:28] <edulix> bob2: If I remmember correctly, it ships with the kernel. but how can I activate it ?
[04:29] <ogra> rapha: but dont ask for the setup :(
[04:29] <bob2> edulix: swsup requires no hardware support
[04:29] <bob2> edulix: you need to build your own kernel atm
[04:29] <rapha> ogra: Don't ask for what setup?
[04:29] <bob2> rapha: I have no idea about ISA at all
[04:29] <edulix> bob2: so not even swsusp 1 is shipped with default ubuntu kernel ?
[04:29] <rapha> bob2: Well, I've been using since 1995, so I do have experience with ISA devices. But this thing is a bitch.
[04:29] <ogra> rapha: how to set isa stuff up.....
[04:29] <rapha> ogra: Ah, okay.
[04:29] <bob2> edulix: swsup requires major kernel config surgery
[04:30] <rapha> Well, I did get it working with OSS :)
[04:30] <bob2> edulix: ie there was not enough time by half to get it going in warty
[04:30] <edulix> ahh
[04:31] <rapha> ogra: There are many options for that driver. I know I can configure an AdLib port, a "just a port", and an SB port in the BIOS, plus two DMA channels and an IRQ. But the BIOS says nothing about DMA sizes, which are driver options, too. Any idea what the driver might expect here?
[04:31] <edulix> well, then if I try to use one, that would be the swsusp 2.1 for 2.6.9, I guess
[04:31] <edulix> anyway, now I must go
[04:31] <bob2> yeah
[04:31] <ogra> rapha: nope....sorry
[04:31] <bob2> that will be in hoary's kernel soon
[04:32] <rapha> ogra: Okay, thanks. I'll keep trying :)
[04:32] <edulix> oh, the final question: I've installed firefox-locale-es, but firefox is still in english. how can I configure it to spanish es-ES ?
[04:32] <edulix>  firefox -UILocale es-ES -contentLocale ES don't work
[04:32] <ogra> rapha: try moduinfo <modulename>
[04:32] <ogra> rapha: try modinfo <modulename>
[04:32] <ogra> sorry
[04:32] <rapha> ogra: Well, that tells me what options are available, but not how to fill them ;)
[04:33] <edulix> well, I'll try that later. bye !
[04:33] <ogra> rapha: there is probably google your best friend :/
[04:33] <MosQuiman> Hi!
[04:35] <scaroo> hi ppl! i installed NetworkManager packages from http://people.ubuntu.com/~thom/network-manager/ but i m unable to use it as a simple user, have to sudo it //
[04:35] <scaroo> any hints ?
[04:36] <bob2> aren't those the ones tom told no one to use?
[04:36] <scaroo> ooooh really ?
[04:36] <tseng> ya like it says right on the page
[04:36] <wvukro> Is there a livecd for ppc?
[04:36] <ogra> bob2: thats like saying hoary is highly unstable, everyone switches ;)
[04:36] <scaroo> hey it is working here but only as root
[04:37] <bob2> scaroo: "NetworkManager is known to be non-functional on Debian/Ubuntu right now. I'm working on a fix."
[04:37] <bob2> wvukro: no
[04:37] <bob2> ogra: yeah, exactly
[04:37] <arun--> now that i have winxp and ubuntu on two different partitions in a single harddisk, is it possible for me to boot into linux from winxp,
[04:37] <bob2> wvukro: if it's a new-world ppc, it will almost certainly work
[04:38] <wvukro> bob2: I've got ubuntu working.  I want a ppc livecd to do a bad blocks scan on my root partition.
[04:38] <ogra> arun--: nope, reboot is needed...
[04:38] <ogra> arun--: afaik
[04:38] <scaroo> arun--, you can use vmware using your linux partiton as guest os image, but be careful, fstab needs changes
[04:38] <scaroo> (and grub params too)
[04:38] <bob2> wvukro: a normal install cd probably has enough to do that
[04:38] <daniels> bdale: hey dude
[04:38] <fabbione> hey bdale !
[04:39] <arun--> scaroo: but from what i understand, i need to install ubuntu from inside vmware or the other way, install winxp from inside vmware?
[04:39] <bdale> daniels: dude
[04:39] <wvukro> bob2: I couldn't find e2fsck on the normal install cd....
[04:39] <bdale> fabbione: howdy
[04:39] <bob2> wvukro: on your hard disk, if it's not completely boned
[04:39] <ogra> bob2: hard to use if its mounted :|
[04:40] <wvukro> bob2: Perhaps I'm being stupid...  but I don't think I can do a bad blocks scan on my root partition, which is currently mounted.
[04:40] <bob2> um, right
[04:40] <bob2> sorry, it's late
[04:41] <ajross_> hey everybody
[04:41] <wvukro> so, basically, I'm just looking for any halfway decent livecd that runs on ppc.
[04:41] <ogra> wvukro: there was a way (long ago) forcing it with remounting ro before, but it cant repair anything ....
[04:41] <scaroo> arun--, you can tell vmware to use a physical partition as disk image, so that shouldnt be a problem. actually i boot into my netbsd both from vmware under ubuntu and physicaly
[04:42] <ajross_> what can I do about burning audio cds in Ubuntu - k3b is not workable and neither is xcdroast or gtoaster, anybody ideas?
[04:42] <ogra> wvukro: dunno if fsckk still supports it
[04:42] <wvukro> there is a flag to fsck to pass that you can use if you can run it... but I want to run fsck from the disk that I want to repair....
[04:43] <scaroo> is it me or has font rendering improve since upgrade to  hoary (gtk2.5.X) ??
[04:43] <ogra> wvukro: you could use gentoo or knoppix ...
[04:44] <cardador> ajross_: what do you mean with not workable?
[04:44] <ogra> wvukro: afaik they have ppc
[04:44] <wvukro> ogra: looking.  And I'll cease this non ubuntu conversation....
[04:47] <ajross_> cardador: k3b just crashes all the time - at random points
[04:47] <desp> hi again
[04:47] <ajross_> xcdroast doesnt do audio, and gtoaster can't understand a non scsi interface since 2.6 doesn't use ide-scsi
[04:47] <ajross_> (it can't see /dev/pg0)
[04:47] <desp> can I talk to someone knowledgeable about the ubuntu installer?
[04:47] <poin_t> hi
[04:48] <poin_t> can I talk to someone with experience with SATA RAID? :)
[04:48] <RuNe\> hi, I have a problem with gnome-panel, when I log into the GDM one window show me an error that "gnome-panel is running" and another that "gnome-panel is exit unexpectedly" could someone help me?
[04:48] <ajross_> poin_t: I use a SATA drive, it's the only drive in my ssystem so its not RAID, but if you just need info on SATA then i can help
[04:49] <poin_t> ajross_: cool. what controller is it hooked on? how's the performance compared to PATA and SCSI?
[04:49] <desp> I'm trying to find out if  the ubuntu installer is always supposed to generate an initrd
[04:50] <Mithrandir> desp: it is
[04:50] <desp> Mithrandir: ah. do you know where should it place the generated initrd?
[04:50] <ajross_> poin_t: I cant compare it to scsi as I dont have a scsi drive but i can say its definitely worth going SATA over PATA
[04:51] <Mithrandir> desp: /boot/initrd-$version
[04:51] <ajross_> I have a KT8 VIA board (ABIT) it works great
[04:51] <poin_t> ajross_: why? what's the improvement that you feel on yours?
[04:51] <ogra> desp: still trying with your old world ppc ?
[04:51] <ajross_> i have two similar vintage 120GB drives, one sata one pata, sata is best
[04:51] <Mithrandir> poin_t: the cabling is a lot easier to handle.
[04:51] <desp> Mithrandir: on my system the partitioner doesn't automatically create a /boot partition. do you think that if I create one by hand, the initrd will get placed there?
[04:52] <desp> ogra: yup
[04:52] <Mithrandir> desp: then it's on your root partition, in the /boot directory.
[04:52] <amathis> heh..
[04:52] <amathis> did someone take out the gnaughty pkg to fix it?
[04:52] <poin_t> Mithrandir: ah yeah.. much tidier and easier to work with on bends
[04:52] <ogra> Mitha: old world ppc -> desp
[04:52] <ogra> Mithr:
[04:53] <desp> thanks, brb
[04:54] <Mithrandir> poin_t: and you don't have that silly a length limit, you get hotplug (though linux doesn't support that yet)
[04:54] <poin_t> Mithrandir: hotplug = hotswap capability?
[04:54] <synapse> yeah
[04:54] <synapse> hotplug is kewl
[04:55] <Matt|> hi is anyone around?
[04:55] <synapse> although it can get a bit annoying
[04:55] <synapse> i am
[04:55] <synapse> :P
[04:55] <poin_t> no hotplug in 2.4 AND 2.6? =\
[04:55] <Matt|> hi synapse
[04:55] <poin_t> hi Matt|
[04:55] <synapse> hi Matt|
[04:55] <ogra> Matt|:  no, nobody around here ;)
[04:55] <Matt|> i have a problem with aterm: i have updated my system and now when I attempt to resize the window it loses transparency.
[04:55] <Matt|> ogra, man you work 24 hours huh
[04:55] <ogra> Matt|: only 275 ppl
[04:56] <synapse> Matt|: hmm...... that has never happened to me.
[04:56] <Matt|> i posted my problem to the list but no one has replied
[04:56] <ogra> Matt|: i dont work here ;) just fun
[04:56] <Matt|> ogra, really? you are not dev?
[04:56] <ogra> Matt|: i whish i were....but no
[04:56] <Matt|> oh
[04:56] <Matt|> they should be paying you for your support services ;0
[04:57] <Matt|> who uses aterm with warty upgraded?
[04:57] <Mithrandir> poin_t: yes.
[04:57] <ogra> Matt|: and sice i'm in here i dont get any dev done :(
[04:57] <stvn> ogra: heh
[04:57] <Matt|> i can't file a bug against aterm because it is in universe :(
[04:57] <|trey|> Matt|, transparency? Xorg?
[04:58] <Mithrandir> ogra: you ignore IRC when you're trying to get useful work done.
[04:58] <Matt|> ogra, yeah my favourite thing about ubuntu is that the developers are always in here
[04:58] <ogra> Mithrandir: hard to do ;)
[04:58] <Matt|> |trey|, i am using all default packages (i.e. xfree 3.3.0)
[04:58] <Mithrandir> Matt|: uhm, 4.3, I hope?
[04:58] <PW_> hi
[04:58] <Mithrandir> 3.3 is like _ancient_
[04:58] <Matt|> sorry 4.3 yeah
[04:58] <ajross_> does anyone here do audio cd burning?
[04:58] <Mithrandir> ogra: you get the hang of it after a while
[04:58] <Matt|> no one uses aterm?
[04:59] <|trey|> Matt|, you mean 4.3.0 ... hmm, I don't understand what you mean by "loses transparency" then... Xfree doesn't support that...
[04:59] <Matt|> Mithrandir, i don't have that ability either :(
[04:59] <ogra> Mithrandir: i'll wait for it *g*
[04:59] <|trey|> Matt|, Xchat or gnome-terminal?
[04:59] <Matt|> |trey|, ATERM
[04:59] <Matt|> no problem with the transparency in xchat
[04:59] <|trey|> Matt|, ahh, don't play with that...
[04:59] <stvn> Matt|: if you type reset in aterm, does it get the transp. back?
[05:00] <Matt|> stvn, nope
[05:00] <Matt|> stvn, it happens if I drag the window fast as well, without resizing it
[05:00] <stvn> Matt|: if you move one with transp, does it keep transp.?
[05:00] <stvn> ah
[05:00] <amathis> wtf..
[05:00] <Matt|> stvn, it is refreshing REALLY slowly
[05:00] <stvn> indeed
[05:01] <Matt|> so if i drag it fast it loses it
[05:01] <Matt|> or resize even a little bit
[05:01] <|trey|> Matt|, what ver is aterm currently?
[05:01] <Matt|> erm
[05:01] <|trey|> (dpkg -l aterm)
[05:01] <Matt|> 0.4.2-10
[05:02] <Matt|> it was working before I upgraded the system (i.e. with the warty cd packages)
[05:02] <Matt|> :(
[05:02] <amathis>  this thing I am configureing says it cannot find gconf-2.0, but it is installed...
[05:03] <ogra> amathis: you miss the -dev packages
[05:03] <amathis> oof.
[05:03] <Matt|> stvn, |trey|, any ideas?
[05:03] <amathis> ogra, what would I do without you >_<
[05:03] <Matt|> lol
[05:03] <|trey|> Matt|, nope, not seeing anyone else complain about it on google either  :(
[05:03] <Matt|> |trey|, damn
[05:03] <|trey|> Matt|, maybe dpkg-reconfigure aterm just for fun?
[05:03] <stvn> Matt|: can you downgrade the aterm package to the one from the cd?
[05:04] <Matt|> stvn, how could I do that?
[05:04] <Matt|> stvn, in synaptic there is only one version listed
[05:04] <Matt|> |trey|, ok will try it
[05:04] <|trey|> Matt|, dpkg --force-overwrite
[05:04] <Matt|> can someone who is using warty please install aterm and see if it works?
[05:04] <|trey|> Matt|, thats how to do what stvn said...
[05:04] <Matt|> |trey|, but where do i find the package?
[05:04] <|trey|> Matt|, running hoary huh?  :)
[05:05] <Matt|> |trey|, warty
[05:05] <Matt|> i want to see if the problem is only mine or not
[05:05] <ogra> Matt|: hard to do if noone uses aterm :)
[05:05] <epod> Does anyone know how Ubuntu works with ATI drivers?
[05:06] <|trey|> Matt|, you might be able to try the one is sarge actually... ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/a/aterm-someshit should be...
[05:06] <Matt|> no one uses aterm?
[05:06] <ogra> epod: fine
[05:06] <Adric> hi, I'm running the newest Live Ubuntu CD, I was wondering if there is a way to play MP3s with it?
[05:06] <Matt|> epod, what card
[05:06] <Matt|> epod, not all are working great
[05:06] <stvn> Matt|: gnome-terminal is just fine for me
[05:06] <|trey|> Matt|, nope, not a huge fan of anything resembling motif  :(
[05:06] <Matt|> stvn, i find aterm quicker
[05:06] <ogra> epod: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:06] <Matt|> stvn, does gnome-terminal do transparency?
[05:06] <arun--> Matt|: it does
[05:07] <Matt|> arun--, ty
[05:07] <|trey|> Matt|, pseudo transparency, yes
[05:07] <garabb> Matt: you find the old package in /var/cache/apt/archives
[05:07] <epod> Matt|: Modile Radeon 9600
[05:07] <epod> thanks ogra
[05:07] <Adric> hello
[05:08] <|trey|> Adric, hey
[05:08] <Matt|> garabb, the package in that directory has the same version number
[05:08] <stvn> Matt|: how do you get transparency in aterm anyway?
[05:08] <Adric> i was wondering if someone could help me figure out if the Live CD can play MP3s
[05:08] <Matt|> garabb, I presume that aterm has not actually been updated, and it is caused by an update to some other package
[05:08] <kasperbn> Does anybody know how I get xserver to show a resolution 1024x786.
[05:08] <kasperbn> In the /etc/X11/XFblabla various resolutions are listet, including 1024x786 - but it does'nt work. It's not listed in gnomes resolutionchooser. Any suggestions?
[05:08] <Matt|> stvn, -tr
[05:08] <Adric> I've read that I need to install a universe section or something, but can you do that on a liveCD?
[05:08] <|trey|> Matt|, like I said, try sarges version... should at least be more stable...
[05:08] <stvn> Adric: check wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:08] <Matt|> |trey|, i'll have a look thanks
[05:08] <arun--> i dont like the fonts used in aterm by default
[05:09] <ogra> kasperbn: your monitor settings my not be correct....
[05:09] <Adric> yeah i read that, but the instructions don't work for the liveCD, maybe i should just get the full cd and install yeah?
[05:09] <Matt|> arun--, stvn, so you have it working?
[05:09] <kasperbn> ogra: Ok, how do I change them?
[05:09] <stvn> Matt|: hm, it is slow, gnome-terminal is faster, resize does blank, move is no problem
[05:09] <Matt|> stvn, thanks
[05:09] <ogra> kasperbn: easiest is to run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[05:10] <arun--> Matt|: i dont use aterm atall, and yes i have transparency working in gnome-termnal
[05:10] <|trey|> Matt|, file a bug if its in warty main :)
[05:10] <Matt|> |trey|, it is not
[05:10] <|trey|> hmm  :(
[05:10] <ogra> kasperbn: keep all defaults except the monitor...
[05:10] <kasperbn> ogra, thanks I'll try that
[05:10] <Matt|> it is in universe: but the bug must be caused by an update to another package
[05:10] <Adric> stvn: I read that url about restricted formats, but either I don't understand enough to make the necessary steps, or they aren't included in the LiveCD.
[05:10] <stvn> Matt|: http://home.minst.net/~steven/Screenshot.png is my ubuntu setup with semi- transp. gnome-terminal
[05:10] <Matt|> stvn, ok will use that
[05:11] <altan> is there a way to have transparency that's actually useful, as in having a manual in the background and being able to see through the term to read it rather than just showing the desktop behind it all?
[05:11] <stvn> Adric: ah, liveCD, sorry wasn't paying enough attention, I doubt it is possible in the livecd
[05:11] <Adric> can I ask, what exactly is universe?
[05:11] <Matt|> stvn, i like your network icons :)
[05:11] <stvn> Matt|: suede
[05:11] <Adric> stvn coolas :) appreciate!  i thought it was like that, i'll just download the full CD at work and install :), what is universe anyway?
[05:11] <Kamion> universe == unsupported though free packages; basically the rest of Debian built against Ubuntu
[05:11] <stvn> Adric: it is a package repository, you can select packages there to install on your system
[05:12] <ogra> altan: will be in hoary in april ;)
[05:12] <Matt|> stvn, how do you add those ftp icons?
[05:12] <altan> hmm
[05:12] <stvn> Kamion: not entierly the rest, discovered today that neither rox-filer nor gmc are there ;)
[05:12] <amathis> am I the only one who thinks totem is a piece of sh*t?
[05:12] <Adric> great :) thank you kind people, are you guys the developers directly?  or do you just support?  I really like this distro, it's so clean!
[05:12] <stvn> Matt|: open location and type in ftp:// I think
[05:13] <Mithrandir> Adric: some people in here are developers, some aren't.
[05:13] <|trey|> stvn, tip for ya... *resize images* ... or atleast lower quality!!  ;)
[05:13] <Matt|> Kamion, yeah i saw that universe is unsupported. But what happens in a case where a bug is caused in a universe package by a conflict with a main package?
[05:13] <stvn> |trey|: i know
[05:13] <Mithrandir> Adric: Kamion for instance is, so am I, and a bunch more
[05:13] <stvn> Matt|: ah it's conenct to server in the nautilus menu
[05:13] <ogra> Matt|: use connect to server in nautilus
[05:13] <ogra> lol
[05:13] <Adric> thanks for the help! i look forward to installing :) right now i have to sleep lol :) only five hours til get up time :) bye!!
[05:14] <Matt|> stvn, ogra, but for the shortcut?
[05:14] <atariboy> Who deals with the UI side of Ubuntu?
[05:14] <Matt|> i've never got the hang of nautilus desktop shortcuts :(
[05:14] <stvn> Matt|: I think it sticks
[05:14] <ogra> Matt|: it appears on the desktop
[05:14] <Matt|> ah gotcha thanks
[05:14] <ogra> Matt|: btw works great with ssh too
[05:15] <Matt|> ogra, oh really
[05:15] <Matt|> ogra, fantastic
[05:15] <|trey|> stvn, when did rox-filer get into sid?
[05:15] <stvn> hey there's webdav support now
[05:15] <ogra> Matt|: gerat for webserver uploads ;)
[05:15] <Matt|> stvn, i can't see how to get the gnome-terminal transparent from the man page?
[05:15] <Matt|> ogra, exactly
[05:16] <arun--> Matt|: go to edit->current profile
[05:16] <arun--> Matt|: then the colors tab
[05:16] <stvn> Matt|: it's in edit profile
[05:16] <arun--> sorry effects tab
[05:16] <ogra> Matt|: effects
[05:16] <|trey|> atariboy, many people, Jeff Waugh is the head guy though...
[05:16] <SmokingFire> anyone tried vmware on ubuntu?
[05:16] <atariboy> |trey|: oki. thanks
[05:17] <stvn> |trey|: don't know really, probably after the warty freeze
[05:17] <Matt|> arun--, stvn, great guys thanks a lot
[05:17] <Matt|> does anyone know if it is possible to copy music from an ipod to hard disk?
[05:17] <|trey|> atariboy, you could have known that from the site though: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/teams/
[05:18] <altan> Matt|, probably, I saw an icon for the iPod in the GNOME icon chooser
[05:18] <|trey|> stvn, pretty likely, I was looking for it last time I used XFce, so yeah... I am running Hoary though, and its not in yet  :(
[05:18] <Matt|> altan, oh really? is it in /usr/share/pixmaps??
[05:18] <arun--> where do set that when i move the window, only the borders move, instead of the content
[05:20] <jivera> Does Ubuntu have any CD labels or case artwork people can use for use when making CDs?
[05:20] <altan> Matt|, I don't remember where, but it just made me assume than an iPod would work with Ubuntu pretty easily
[05:20] <jivera> (Pretend that wasn't stupidly redundant.)
[05:21] <SmokingFire> Matt|: engadget sites featured such a tool but for mac intunes + ipod but then apple didn't like it and threatened to sue (drm issues)
[05:21] <Matt|> SmokingFire, hmm
[05:22] <Matt|> SmokingFire, it is not possible from gtkpod?
[05:22] <SmokingFire> don't know not an ipod owner
[05:22] <Matt|> SmokingFire, oh i've found it
[05:22] <Matt|> SmokingFire, seems it is possible
[05:22] <Matt|> altan, haven't found the icon though :(((
[05:22] <SmokingFire> found it on gtkpod?
[05:22] <Matt|> yes
[05:22] <Matt|> haven't tested yet
[05:23] <SmokingFire> cool, means you have more features then apple users
[05:23] <Matt|> lol
[05:23] <Matt|> and windows users
[05:23] <Matt|> it is not possible on windows
[05:23] <scaroo> hi ppl, got some trouble loading the clock applet since hoary upgrade, seems like a gconf inconsistency, any way i can repair that ?
[05:24] <|trey|> scaroo, dpkg-reconfigure gnome-applets perhaps?
[05:25] <SmokingFire> Matt|: btw here is the article: http://portableaudio.engadget.com/entry/7289743430796164/
[05:25] <|trey|> scaroo, here, its working... so its not the packages fault...
[05:26] <scaroo> |trey|, good idea indeed but doesnt seems to fix the issue :(
[05:26] <|trey|> (enless you're not on i386, then it could be)
[05:26] <Matt|> SmokingFire, ok thanks. have found the icons too so I'm loving it
[05:26] <|trey|> scaroo, when was last upgrade? you reboot since installing hoary?
[05:27] <stvn> this webdav support is so cool :)
[05:27] <scaroo> last dist-upgrade was 15 mn ago, and i rebooted afterward
[05:27] <epod> Is there anything I ought to know about compiling a new kernel under ubuntu to support my soundcard?  I am assuming it won't work out of box, since it doesn't on the LiveCD.  The only distro that it's ever *just worked* with is SUSE, actually.  Stupid gateway and cheap sound chipsets
[05:27] <|trey|> scaroo, hmm, shouldn't be much diff then here then  :(
[05:27] <|trey|> scaroo, i386 right?
[05:28] <scaroo> |trey|, arggg it doesn t semm to be "clock" specific, i cannot add any applet :(
[05:28] <scaroo> i386 yep
[05:28] <|trey|> scaroo, my panel appears to be fine  :(  grr
[05:29] <scaroo> here is the french error log : Le tableau de bord a rencontr un problme lors du chargement de OAFIID:GNOME_ContactLookupApplet.
[05:29] <scaroo> Dtails: La rsolution ou l'extension de !prefs_key=/apps/panel/profiles/default/applets/applet_4/prefs;background=none:;orient=down;size=x-small;locked_down=false a chou
[05:29] <scaroo> Voulez-vous supprimer l'applet de votre configuration?
[05:29] <|trey|> scaroo, errors are much easier to comprehend when in English  ;)
[05:29] <ben__> i need help!!
[05:30] <|trey|> ben__, you came to the right place then  :)
[05:30] <ben__> i had a problem with a login script
[05:30] <scaroo> |trey|, sorry for being a dump froggy ;)
[05:30] <ben__> and ended up trying to make a new user
[05:30] <ben__> but i wanted it the same as the messed up account
[05:30] <scaroo> ok i change my locale then come back
[05:30] <|trey|> scaroo, its cool... hoary will have bugs... I just don't see the same thing  :(
[05:30] <ben__> so i deleted the main account
[05:30] <ben__> (apparently the only on on the sudoers list?)
[05:31] <|trey|> ben__, yup
[05:31] <ben__> yep
[05:31] <SmokingFire> Matt|: seems you can also do it on windows: http://portableaudio.engadget.com/entry/7289743430796164/#c29070
[05:31] <|trey|> ben__, man sodoers
[05:31] <|trey|> ben__, or just vi /etc/sodoers and change the name of the user in there  :)
[05:31] <ben__> can i add someone to the list if the main account is gone?
[05:31] <|trey|> hmm, actually... shit... that user is gone
[05:31] <|trey|> uhhhh  :o
[05:31] <ben__> is there a root passwd?
[05:31] <|trey|> ben__, nope
[05:32] <Matt|> SmokingFire, oh right ty
[05:32] <ben__> i think i assigned my backup account to root and sudo prvilidges from the users-admin screen
[05:32] <ben__> but i guess not
[05:32] <|trey|> ben__, woulda been better to rm -r * in the home dir...
[05:32] <ben__> yeah...i realize that now
[05:33] <|trey|> ben__, you try sudo since?
[05:33] <ben__> yeah
[05:33] <ben__> and it does not take my passwd
[05:33] <|trey|> ben__, doesn't take new users passwd?
[05:33] <|trey|> yeah, umm, have the install disk handy?
[05:34] <ben__> thankfully i just set up rsync two weeks ago
[05:34] <ben__> i do not...what can i do with it?
[05:34] <Matt|> how can i use sudo in nautilus?
[05:34] <|trey|> Matt|, no 'run as' option?
[05:34] <Matt|> |trey|, i don't know, what is that?
[05:34] <|trey|> Matt|, umm, would appear to be impossible  :(
[05:35] <Matt|> |trey|, damn
[05:35] <ben__> |trey|, is there a recovery option with the install cd?
[05:35] <|trey|> Matt|, you might be able to open with sudo thexec?
[05:35] <stuNNed> ok i'm installing Ubuntu on my laptop and have to os's on it, one linux, one windowsxp, i want to delete the linux and put ubuntu in it's place but i don't see how i can do that in the installer, it only seems to want to erase the whole disk
[05:36] <|trey|> ben__, yes actually...
[05:36] <Kamion> ben__: just boot with the recovery option from the grub menu
[05:36] <ben__> ok
[05:36] <Matt|> |trey|, erm i don't know how that works
[05:36] <ben__> and can i recover the files without the root account set up?
[05:36] <Kamion> ben__: just boot with the recovery option; that will give you a root shell
[05:36] <ben__> cool
[05:36] <ben__> thanks everyone
[05:37] <ben__> i will take care of that after school/work
[05:37] <Matt|> |trey|, i would not normally use root with nautilus, but having added the ssh server on the desktop, i would like to be able to get root on the remote computer to copy across files to the webserver
[05:37] <|trey|> Matt|, nope.. can't be done like I said  :(
[05:37] <Matt|> |trey|, guess i will have to do it in a console
[05:37] <Matt|> |trey|, no biggie
[05:37] <|trey|> Matt|, :)
[05:37] <|trey|> Matt|, could use Vino as it was intended though?
[05:38] <|trey|> just log in as root and do what you want gonna do remotely like that  :)
[05:38] <|trey|> maybe not the most secure thing though?
[05:38] <Matt|> |trey|, i am not familiar with Vino
[05:39] <|trey|> Matt|, neither am I, need to find a reason to use it at some point  :)
[05:39] <Matt|> |trey|, not too bothered about security: it is all behind a router
[05:39] <Matt|> |trey|, what is it?
[05:39] <|trey|> Matt|, remote desktop... a vnc client...
[05:39] <Matt|> |trey|, hmm
[05:39] <Matt|> ssh probably better?
[05:39] <|trey|> also, tsclient should be usable if there are windows stations...
[05:40] <Matt|> windows stations?
[05:40] <Matt|> :(
[05:40] <Matt|> who do you take me for
[05:40] <|trey|> Matt|, dunno, you wanted to use GUI though right?
[05:40] <Matt|> |trey|, nope
[05:40] <rachet> how do i  run a root ? cause when i try to use alien edonkey.rpm its  says that  i need  a root or  a fake root
[05:40] <|trey|> Matt|, haha.. just saying  :)
[05:40] <|trey|> Matt|, oh... well then.. just, just... be stubborn and use SSH then  8)
[05:40] <Matt|> why has no one replied to my aterm question on the ubuntu-users list?
[05:41] <Matt|> lol
[05:41] <|trey|> rachet, sudo -s
[05:41] <desp> is there a way to access the network having booted from the Ubuntu installer initrd?
[05:42] <stvn> rachet: or just sudo alien
[05:42] <|trey|> desp, it will ask later whether to install from the network...
[05:42] <|trey|> desp, its like one of the last questions though, likely not what you want?
[05:43] <desp> |trey|: I don't see any questions about installing from the network
[05:43] <desp> and anyway, I just need to transfer a file
[05:43] <fabbione> dpkg-deb: building package `xlibs-pic' in `../xlibs-pic_6.8.1-0.0_all.deb'.
[05:44] <|trey|> desp, it will still get base from the CD... its how I install Ubuntu every time though...
[05:44] <|trey|> desp, ugh, yeah, I don't think thats possible from the installer  :(
[05:44] <stuNNed> i have one disk in my laptop with two os's on it, want to keep one of the os's and install ubuntu on the other, is there a way to do this?  it seems ubuntu just wants to wipe the whole disk and install itself
[05:44] <desp> it would be perfectly possible -- alt-F2 to the console, and use netcat
[05:45] <|trey|> fabbione, hmmz  8-)
[05:45] <desp> but the network seems to be kind of inaccessible
[05:45] <|trey|> fabbione, don't forget to let me know what those uploads are done so I can break my system k?  :)
[05:45] <fabbione> |trey|: sure i will
[05:46] <|trey|> fabbione, :)
[05:46] <|trey|> fabbione, /msg though, will be gone soon  :(
[05:46] <fabbione> |trey|: nothing for the next week.. these are really prealpha packages
[05:46] <fabbione> they just build...
[05:47] <rachet> stvn: i did that now   but its a .deb now ? what i do now
[05:47] <|trey|> Oh, ps, is it bad if, while not touching a mouse pad, my pointer kinda slides down and to my right?
[05:47] <|trey|> fabbione, ahh, ok  :)
[05:47] <stvn> rachet: sudo dpkg -i <just created deb file>
[05:48] <|trey|> fabbione, would it be worst filing bugs related to Xfree at this point in Hoary?
[05:48] <stvn> alleen via webmail en dat zuigt, helemaal zonder IE
[05:48] <stvn> w/w
[05:48] <rachet> stvn : dpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege
[05:48] <stvn> rachet: sudo dkpg -i
[05:48] <stvn> rachet: don't forget the sudo
[05:49] <|trey|> stvn, never ever speak in German in here again while I am present and active... it hurts my brain  ;)
[05:49] <|trey|> rachet, he really means 'sudo dpkg -i' though, he just doesn't know it  ;)
[05:49] <dredg> doesnt look like german to me
[05:49] <housetier> luckily there is a difference between Dutch and German
[05:49] <stvn> |trey|: first learn to recognise languages before making those claims, it was dutch
[05:50] <|trey|> stvn, blah, dutch and german are so simular its not even funny... been to Amsterdam...
[05:50] <tkz> "you dutch-hater" :)
[05:50] <stvn> tkz: heh
[05:50] <stvn> |trey|: they only speak english there
[05:50] <Kamion> looked quite dissimilar to German to me
[05:50] <|trey|> stvn, not really... depends, most have a firm grasp of English though, yes
[05:51] <stuNNed> my partitions don't show up in the installer
[05:51] <stvn> Kamion: it is quite dissimilar, germans have a very hard time understanding dutch
[05:51] <|trey|> stvn, are you in holland?
[05:52] <tkz> I wouldn't think that the Germans are alone with that particular problem
[05:52] <scaroo> |trey|, about my prblem with applets, the same thing happens (the clock dont show and i got a OAFIID message box) with a freshnew user ... has the gconf schema of this applet changer recently ?
[05:52] <stvn> |trey|: yep
[05:52] <scaroo> s/changer/changed/
[05:52] <|trey|> stvn, cool, what part?  :)
[05:52] <altan> Once I dpkg libdvdcss, how can I load it without rebooting?
[05:52] <altan> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1388&highlight=libdvdcss <--- "- reboot (there must be a better way to get the library loaded, but reboot orks!)"
[05:52] <stvn> |trey|: the center - Wageningen
[05:53] <|trey|> stvn, ahh, it doesn't have a good soccer team, so I don't know it  :(
[05:53] <occy> I can play a mov file under totem... but can't seem to get audio.  I just get:  An error occured: (null)
[05:53] <occy> other audio works just peachy
[05:53] <stvn> |trey|: it used to, but they bankrupted 10 years ago
[05:53] <|trey|> stvn, :(
[05:53] <altan> is it really necessary to reboot?
[05:55] <jind> altan, maybe you kan send kill -SIGHUP to the program that startet libdvdcss to make it reload its configuration files and maybe the lib
[05:56] <altan> okay, rebooting sounds easier than that.
[05:56] <desp> haha
[05:57] <jind> It is actually really easy :P
[05:57] <jind> Just type in: kill -SIGHUP program-that-uses-libdvdcss :)
[05:58] <desp> too late
[05:59] <jind> Hehe
[05:59] <jind> Yeah :)
[06:00] <occy> what do you guys use to view .mov files with under ubuntu?
[06:01] <rcaskey_> cat mostly
[06:01] <scaroo> occy, do you have the xine version of totem ?
[06:01] <occy> hmm
[06:02] <occy> can I apt-get install that?
[06:02] <scaroo> it is in universe as "totem-xine"
[06:02] <occy> totem-xine is already the newest version.
[06:02] <occy> hmmm
[06:02] <occy> apparently
[06:03] <occy> looking for type: got text/plain
[06:03] <occy> wine/module: Win32 LoadLibrary failed to load: qtmlClient.dll, /home/october/.gnome2/totem-addons/qtmlClient.dll, /usr/lib/win32/qtmlClient.dll, /usr/local/lib/win32/qtmlClient.dll
[06:04] <|trey|> scaroo, http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/m/mplayer/ install one of those... perferably mplayer-686...
[06:04] <|trey|> occy, ^
[06:04] <occy> heh
[06:05] <|trey|> occy, includes most formats you will need...
[06:05] <scaroo> |trey|, do you know if gstreamer-ffmpeg will land some time soon in universe ?
[06:05] <|trey|> http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/m/mplayerplug-in/
[06:05] <|trey|> also might find that interesting  :)
[06:06] <scaroo> i second, that plugin rocks !
[06:06] <|trey|> scaroo, its already in... as is ffmpeg... still no luck though (http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/f/ffmpeg/)
[06:07] <|trey|> scaroo, atleast with gstreamer... ffmpeg can be used with mplayer too though...
[06:07] <gerard> I cant seem to get the gnome mixing applet to work. Alsamixer works, and the mixer in the multimedia entry in the menu works even for both OSS and alsa. The mixing applet just resets the volume slider back to zero if you use it...
[06:08] <|trey|> Any devs: out of curiosity, why does mplayer depend xmms?
[06:08] <|trey|> makes sense with xmms-xmmplayer, but mplayer itself?
[06:08] <kensai> can xine be installed in ubuntu?
[06:08] <kensai> and does it worksfine?
[06:09] <|trey|> kensai, yes, mplayer is better though
[06:09] <kensai> And what about kaffeine?
[06:09] <joh_> Whats happending with ubuntu-calendar-november?
[06:09] <|trey|> kensai, thats qt ... and its xine...
[06:09] <|trey|> joh, give it a little bit more time  ;)
[06:10] <cenerentola> hi there
[06:10] <kensai> yeah I see sorry
[06:10] <cenerentola> im trying to install an hp 710C with the wizard
[06:10] <joh_> |trey|: ok :)
[06:10] <SmokingFire> win4lin is based on wine or simular?
[06:10] <joh_> the first thing I did today was to check for the new wallpaper :)
[06:11] <cenerentola> but it doesnt recognize it
[06:11] <kensai> I just want to have a plugin in my firefox to play  videos and trailers
[06:11] <|trey|> SmokingFire, actually yes... although it does emulate hardware... kinda doesn't make much sense to me how that works, but yeah, they are active with wine...
[06:11] <tkz> I have a sound problem with mplayer. If I start gmplayer and play a file, the sound works. If I clikc a video clip and the gmplayer starts automatically, the sound does not work
[06:11] <cenerentola> ...so what port should i use since theyre all usb's?
[06:11] <scaroo> kensei, install mplayer and mplayerplugin
[06:11] <scaroo> from the links |trey| posted above
[06:11] <|trey|> scaroo, can't just say that, they are not in warty...
[06:12] <|trey|> scaroo, much better... ;)
[06:12] <kensai> mplayerplugin from apt?
[06:12] <cenerentola> hey plz help...
[06:12] <stuNNed> anyone else have problems with the ubuntu installer not detecting their partitions?
[06:12] <kensai> I installed mplayer with the wiki instructions from ubuntu
[06:12] <|trey|> http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/m/mplayer/  AND  http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/m/mplayerplug-in/
[06:13] <topyli> joh_: i haven't seen the november calendar yet
[06:13] <scaroo> |trey|, ehhe i m only beginning being a helping hand so let me some time to be top notch ;)
[06:13] <|trey|> scaroo, I'm hardly top notch, and I've been at it for 3 years  ;)
[06:14] <joh_> m niether :)
[06:16] <|trey|> uhh, Gaim I mean  :o
[06:17] <Kamion> joh_: it's in warty-updates
[06:17] <cenerentola> kamion: plz one sec...
[06:17] <cenerentola> i can make my hp 710c working with your wizard
[06:17] <Kamion> huh? wizard? what?
[06:17] <cenerentola> printer one...
[06:18] <cenerentola> so how can i set up, in any way, an hp 710c
[06:18] <brad> Could someone please inform me how to enable the root account?
[06:18] <Kamion> I'm sorry, can't help, maybe somebody else can, if not then try the mailing list.
[06:19] <|trey|> cenerentola, ahh, HP devices use IPP, should just work via CUPS afaik...
[06:19] <Kamion> brad: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[06:19] <brad> thank you
[06:19] <dredg> brad: sudo passwd root
[06:20] <joh_> Kamion: warty-updates? I havent heard of that
[06:20] <|trey|> ugh @ people that don't stick around until problems are solved  :(
[06:20] <scaroo> brad, you know you an have a root's shell, do you ? or that you can sudo so what is the point enabling root user loggin ?
[06:20] <topyli> Kamion: so it is! but not in hoary-updates. i wonder.
[06:21] <scaroo> ugh @ people going without answering :p
[06:21] <|trey|> joh, warty is frozen, its where upgrades that aren't security related can get uploaded still...
[06:21] <Kamion> topyli: hoary-updates should be empty until hoary is released.
[06:22] <|trey|> scaroo, haha... don't pick up on that habbit, its annoying to me, so it must be annoying to others  ;)
[06:22] <joh_> |trey|: ahh, thanks
[06:22] <topyli> Kamion: well, that explains it. i guess i should add warty-updates to sources.list :)
[06:23] <topyli> ahh.. there is no hoary-updates at all :)
[06:23] <altan> what's the command to take a screenshot?
[06:23] <|trey|> Kamion, hmm, is there a list of policies for warty-updates though? or is it simple as just bug fixes found after release?
[06:24] <|trey|> if so, perhaps Ubuntu should think about making snapshots of that available in ISO form too?
[06:24] <Kamion> major bugs that don't qualify as security
[06:24] <Kamion> we're not planning on updating the CD images
[06:24] <|trey|> Maybe bi-monthly just so people think "hey, I can start from a more current point if I use this distro"...
[06:25] <|trey|> Kamion, ahh, k... just a thought :)
[06:25] <stuNNed> Kamion, any idea why ubuntu installer isn't detecting my partitions?
[06:26] <jind> Kamion, I'm just curious but are you one of the developers?
[06:26] <Kamion> stuNNed: don't know, filing a bug is probably better than trying to debug it on IRC
[06:26] <Kamion> jind: yes
[06:26] <jind> Kewl :)
[06:26] <stuNNed> Kamion, ok thanks
[06:27] <Kamion> stuNNed: look at what parted says
[06:28] <stuNNed> Kamion, maybe install in expert mode?
[06:31] <scaroo> stuNNed, does the installer kernel detects your drive ? (use dmesg to check)
[06:31] <stuNNed> scaroo, it detects it but just wants to wipe it clean
[06:32] <Kamion> stuNNed: expert mode is unlikely to make a difference and more likely to just confuse you
[06:33] <stuNNed> Kamion, ok then, no expert mode for me! :)
[06:34] <dvd> f
[06:34] <Kamion> stuNNed: I'd switch to tty2 and poke about with parted
[06:35] <stuNNed> Kamion, got it, thanks, was wondering how was going to access parted
[06:35] <dvd> hi! i installed  a a windows program with wine. but now where is it ?
[06:35] <|trey|> Kamion, afaik, expert just added one question, whether to install a server or desktop at the beginning?
[06:36] <Kamion> |trey|: no
[06:36] <scaroo> dvd, it has been installed according your windows path set in wine.conf
[06:36] <|trey|> Kamion, ahh, thats all I noticed to be different  :o
[06:36] <Kamion> |trey|: expert lowers the debconf priority to low, which affects a whole slew of things. I wasn't aware that server/desktop was asked under any circumstances, since there's no text for it and nothing to do db_input
[06:37] <dvd> scaroo: i installed msnsniffer, can i open it from a terminal ?
[06:37] <|trey|> Kamion, well, I got that question on one d-i installer... coulda sworn it was warty  :(
[06:38] <stuNNed> Kamion, scaroo: i know what the problem is, i used partition magic a while back and it fscked the partition table, it's still workable but messed up some settings
[06:38] <scaroo> dvd : use wine followed by the patyh to the .exe file. but beforehand, have you checked if there is a free alternative under unix ?
[06:38] <|trey|> Kamion, either way, thanks for the input... will keep it in mind if/when Xorg horribly breaks things  ;)
[06:38] <topyli> ok, no i have the november calendar. i can let time move again :)
[06:38] <dvd> scaroo:no
[06:39] <Kamion> |trey|: hard to believe, but feel free to send me a screenshot and I'll hunt it down :)
[06:39] <stuNNed> Kamion, scaroo: so basically i guess need to backup data and erase the whole disk
[06:39] <dvd> scaroo: i didnt under how to open msn sniffer
[06:39] <stuNNed> Kamion, parted says: "Error: CAn't have a partition outside of the disk!"
[06:39] <Kamion> |trey|: d-i expert mode is unlikely to help with X.org anyway
[06:39] <|trey|> Kamion, point taken... I swear I saw it though, and don't think it would have been Debian itself due to the non-specificness of the package selection...
[06:39] <|trey|> Kamion, I know, I just like being in more control  :)
[06:40] <|trey|> Kamion, its usually the first thing I do anyway after installing  :)
[06:40] <scaroo> dvd, i vent got a wine installed here so i cannot give you the default winpath defined
[06:40] <scaroo> ask arround ...
[06:40] <scaroo> s/vent/havent/
[06:41] <|trey|> Wine's path is usually /usr/share/winec iir
[06:42] <altan> Is it possible to use GTK1.2 apps without installing GTK1.2 as its dependency, as in will it automatically use GTK2?
[06:42] <scaroo> altan, no
[06:42] <dredg> no
[06:42] <altan> aww
[06:42] <|trey|> scaroo, ahh, he wanted a sniffer? if he comes back, direct him @ sniffit or ettercap  :)
[06:42] <|trey|> altan, no, not possible...
[06:44] <|trey|> scaroo, first make sure he needs it though... poke around about his situation etc... those tools can be bad in the wrong hands...
[06:44] <|trey|> If he doesn't personally have access to many boxes, don't say anything  ;)
[06:44] <scaroo> |trey|, i think what he wanted was a msn sniffer, whatever it is, so i dont think ethercap will be needed :)
[06:45] <|trey|> yeah, umm, due to it being for MSN, he is prolly not planning to do good things...
[06:47] <WW> plovs: Are you around?
[06:48] <WW> plovs_work: ?
[06:53] <plovs> WW, hi!
[06:54] <WW> plovs: Hi!  I just wanted to say that your draft of the wiki front page (APFrontPage) looks great.
[06:55] <scaroo> Kamion, an obviously overasked question : when is planned the inclusion of xorg into Hoary ?
[06:56] <plovs> ww, thanks, it needs some more work but it's getting there i think
[06:56] <Kamion> scaroo: I'm not involved in X, so I don't know
[06:56] <WW> plovs: I hope people resist the urge to add a lot more there.  I think it has the right amount as it is.
[06:57] <WW> plovs: Is it OK if I make a few typographical changes to it?
[06:57] <Kamion> scaroo: as far as I know, the answer is "as soon as possible"
[06:58] <plovs> WW, sure, go ahead
[06:58] <sven-eric> Hi! Does anybody know how to add the rar-archiver to ubuntu? Somehow I can't find it in universe...
[06:58] <scaroo> that s the answer i wanted to hear :)
[06:59] <plovs> WW, and yeah, i like short lists
[06:59] <ogra> svenl: its in multiverse
[06:59] <ogra> sven-eric: .
[07:00] <rebirth> bbs
[07:01] <tolstoy> folks, I dist-upgraded hoary, first time since Friday.  Now my keyboard doesn't work.  Is there something I can try before just nuking the whole thing?
[07:01] <tolstoy> I can ssh in just fine.
[07:02] <scaroo> tolstoy, the keyboard in both console and X ?
[07:02] <ogra> tolstoy: you know hoary is unstable ?
[07:02] <tolstoy> scaroo, yes.
[07:02] <ogra> tolstoy: you know hoary will probably break hard =
[07:02] <ogra> tolstoy: ?
[07:03] <tolstoy> ogra, yeap. So I'm not bitching, just an opportunity to learn, maybe post a bug, etc.
[07:03] <ogra> k
[07:03] <WW> hoary: The S&M distro
[07:03] <sven-eric> Thanks, ogra. Found it :)
[07:03] <ogra> we have too much peolpe not aware of this upgrading....
[07:03] <scaroo> tolstoy, is your kb usb or ps2 ?
[07:03] <ogra> ....crying
[07:03] <tolstoy> ps2
[07:04] <tolstoy> ogra, i think people (well, me) are thinking the difference is like stable/unstable debian, rather than, say, fedora/rawhide.
[07:05] <ogra> tolstoy: yep, but debian stable/unstable during the libc transition ;)
[07:05] <tolstoy> is there a way to "downgrade" via apt-get from hoary to warty?
[07:05] <ogra> tolstoy: jdub said the right answer here is reinstall it
[07:06] <tolstoy> alas, I suspected as much.
[07:06] <ogra> mvo_: ?
[07:06] <tolstoy> btw, so i powered down at one point, then the keyboard worked, but the mouse was VERY slow, even at maximum setting.
[07:06] <tolstoy> weird.
[07:07] <dredg> man apt_preferences
[07:07] <dredg> you can downgrade
[07:07] <dredg> i wouldnt
[07:07] <tritium> ogra, what's the equivalanet package to libc that's the source of problems transitioning between warty and hoary?
[07:07] <tritium> equivalent, that is
[07:08] <tolstoy> dredg, well, it would be an interesting experiment before I nuke the machine.
[07:08] <ogra> tritium: x.org probably...dunno what else will change in this size, but i'd suspect more....
[07:08] <tolstoy> then again, I have work to do. ;)
[07:08] <tritium> ogra, Oh, okay...
[07:09] <daniels> xorg should be an absolutely flawless transition
[07:09] <ogra> daniels: should....you never know ;)
[07:09] <tolstoy> well, I should never have named my machine, "frelled".  Tempting fate.
[07:12] <tritium> What's the status on Mad Phat Splash?
[07:12] <SmokingFire> Is it possible to convert flac and wave (from the command line or any gui) to ogg or mp3?
[07:12] <Treenaks> SmokingFire: yes, yes, yes
[07:12] <SmokingFire> ok, just needed to know
[07:12] <Treenaks> don't know how exactly though :)
[07:12] <tritium> perhaps sox?
[07:13] <WW> SmokingFire: sox, but i don't know if sox can convert _to_ mp3.
[07:14] <dredg> oggenc
[07:14] <SmokingFire> WW: ok, well mp3 support is not that imporant to me now, its just that can't figure out the best way (setting for my listening pleasure :)) for ogg, so I was thinking of doing flac or wave for now and figure out later what ogg setting is best for me
[07:14] <Treenaks> gst-launch-0.8 ?
[07:15] <dredg> i like oggenc -r6
[07:15] <Svendabassist> hello?
[07:15] <Treenaks> dredg: why -r not -q?
[07:15] <tritium> I like an average bit rate of 128 kb/s
[07:16] <Treenaks> tritium: -q5
[07:16] <dredg> sorry, -q
[07:16] <dredg> -r is something else entirely
[07:17] <tritium> Treenaks, okay, I think more in terms of bit-error-rate curves than command-line switches ;)
[07:17] <SmokingFire> tritium: I liked it to be 192 (with mp3), new to ogg and linux so I can't say
[07:17] <Treenaks> tritium: gst-launch  filesrc location=music.wav ! wavparse ! vorbisenc ! filesink location=music.ogg
[07:17] <Treenaks> etc.
[07:17] <Treenaks> tritium: it's in the manual
[07:17] <scaroo> SmokingFire,    gst-launch  filesrc location=music.wav ! wavparse ! vorbisenc !
[07:17] <scaroo>        filesink location=music.ogg
[07:17] <scaroo>                gst-launch filesrc location=music.wav ! wavparse ! mpegaudio  !
[07:17] <scaroo>        filesink location=music.mp3
[07:17] <ogra> Svendabassist: hi
[07:17] <Vampis> evening
[07:17] <Svendabassist> hey.
[07:17] <SmokingFire> gst-launch is not in apt, Treenaks
[07:18] <Svendabassist> couple of Qs..
[07:18] <Treenaks> SmokingFire: gst-launch is installed anyway
[07:18] <scaroo> Seveas, of course it is, it comes with gstreamer
[07:18] <SmokingFire> ooh, what is it? gstreamer frontend?
[07:18] <Vampis> Anyone more than me that have problem with the latest gdesklet
[07:18] <Treenaks> SmokingFire: it's called gst-launch-0.8
[07:18] <Vampis> ?
[07:18] <Treenaks> SmokingFire: commandline gstreamer stuff
[07:18] <Svendabassist> umm, If I order a free CD frm the Gnoppix site is it Ubuntu or Gnoppix?
[07:19] <Treenaks> Svendabassist: gnoppix, probably..
[07:19] <Treenaks> Svendabassist: use the ubuntu site to get ubuntu CDs
[07:19] <dredg> Svendabassist: yes
[07:19] <ogra> Svendabassist: i'd guess gnoppox..... they are unrelated afaik
[07:19] <ogra> o/i
[07:20] <MyKq3> how can i stop a service from bootloading ?
[07:20] <Svendabassist> ok.
[07:20] <ogra> MyKq3: remove the symlink in /etc/rc2.d/
[07:20] <Svendabassist> and how would i save it to my flash memory?
[07:20] <MyKq3> ogra,  thanks
[07:21] <ogra> Svendabassist: what, the iso ?
[07:21] <Svendabassist> no..
[07:21] <Svendabassist> the session
[07:21] <scaroo> hey ppl, i notices that the fonts aliasing has really improve since hoary upgrade, is it due to the gtk upgrade (2.4.x => 2.5.x)?
[07:21] <Vampis> is .xcdroast a good burning app?
[07:21] <ogra> Svendabassist: talking about gnoppix ?
[07:21] <Svendabassist> orgra:yes
[07:21] <mvo_> ogra: you pinged me?
[07:22] <ogra> Svendabassist: dunno, ask at a gnoppix help list/channel
[07:22] <Svendabassist> ok
[07:22] <tritium> I think I read recently that gnoppix is now based on ubuntu.
[07:22] <ogra> mvo_: could there be a warning in synptic....like for universe, if one adds the hoary source ?
[07:22] <ogra> +a
[07:23] <mvo_> ogra: sure
[07:23] <mvo_> ogra: do you think we should do that :)
[07:23] <ogra> lots of people think hoary == debian/unstable.....
[07:23] <mdz> ogra: it has approximately the same characteristics
[07:24] <Kamion> tritium: yes, it is
[07:24] <ogra> mvo_: to prevent a lot of reinstalls for people that thik they get the newest and are not aware of the risk....
[07:24] <SmokingFire> whats a good cddb site besides freedb?
[07:24] <Kamion> tritium: in fact one of the recent Gnoppix CD images was exactly what we released as the Warty live CD
[07:25] <bratsche> Hi.
[07:25] <bratsche> Does anyone here -actually- have Evolution filtering spam on Ubuntu?
[07:25] <ogra> mvo_: would be a canonical decision anyway, just a suggestion
[07:25] <bratsche> I installed spamd, and I configured Evolution to turn on spam filtering.  But it clearly isn't doing it.
[07:25] <Vampis> try thunderbird
[07:25] <Vampis> it's got a good spamfilter
[07:26] <tritium> Kamion, nice to see the collaboration
[07:26] <mvo_> ogra: thanks for the suggestion
[07:26] <ogra> mvo_: ;)
[07:27] <Daenzello> does someone here use rhythmbox to play music ? cuz every 4-5 songs the sound stops and i have 2 error : "could not pause playback" and "could not open ressource writting"
[07:27] <mvo_> ogra: a warning that it contains e.g. gnome in a development version might indeed be a good idea
[07:27] <Daenzello> any idea of what it could be linked to ?
[07:28] <scaroo> Daenzello, is it the only app mute ?
[07:28] <ogra> mvo_: yeah, you got me :)
[07:28] <Daenzello> xmms and totem play hours and hours without problems
[07:29] <Daenzello> but it's a little hard to manage ~3500 songs ^^
[07:30] <scaroo> ok, so try using "gstreamer-properties" to setup gstreamer sink
[07:30] <Daenzello> after the two errors i have to restart the app ant it works again
[07:30] <scaroo> switch between alsa and oss and see wich works
[07:31] <Daenzello> gstreamer, i was thinking about this one too
[07:33] <George> yoyo
[07:33] <George> does the ubuntu install CD have support for reading NTFS?
[07:34] <scaroo> George, of course
[07:34] <ogra> George: reading yes....writing, not sure....
[07:34] <Kamion> reading only
[07:35] <scaroo> i m not sure about writing by default
[07:35] <George> thanks
[07:35] <tolstoy> folks, when installing, I get to the partition stuff, and the installer doesn't seem to remember the old mount points.
[07:35] <tolstoy> Is this by design?
[07:35] <tolstoy> Just trash and rebuild?  (Was thinking I could save my old /home.)
[07:36] <ogra> tolstoy: where should it get the mountpoints from ?
[07:36] <ogra> tolstoy: no fstab.....
[07:36] <Kamion> tolstoy: yes; you can set them up yourself
[07:36] <Kamion> tolstoy: (say "keep and use existing data", and set the mountpoint)
[07:36] <ogra> tolstoy: just leave the partition with your /home out and mount it later
[07:37] <tolstoy> ogra: I think i'm starting to get this installer.  It's just a bit confusing with all the menus.
[07:37] <Kamion> tolstoy: you certainly don't have to trash and rebuild
[07:37] <Kamion> ogra: that's harder work than necessary
[07:37] <tolstoy> ogra, I see a "keep and..." yeah, what Kamion said.
[07:37] <ogra> Kamion: k, i wasnt aware of the keep....as i leave /home by default .... to make config cleanups before using it
[07:41] <jdz`> Hello!  My laptop has a PCMCIA ethernet-card, when it boots, ntpdate tries to run before the network-card has been started.  Is there any way I can make the ntpd init script depend on the network first being up?  (so that ntpdate doesn't fail, and my time actually gets set correctly)
[07:43] <tolstoy> Where's the ubuntu hardware compat list?
[07:43] <ogra> jdz`: its a known bug, you could run: sudo ntpdate ntp.ubuntulinux.org afterwards
[07:43] <tolstoy> wondering about an HP DVD rw 630i
[07:44] <jason_> hey
[07:44] <jason_> anybody using hoary?
[07:44] <tolstoy> jason_, I *was*, but it hosed pretty bad.
[07:44] <jason_> yeah same here
[07:45] <jason_> synaptic crashes
[07:45] <ogra> tolstoy: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupport
[07:45] <jason_> totem
[07:45] <jdz`> ogra: Thank you very much!  That'll do for now!
[07:45] <dredg> i dont think ive seen any issues with hoary thus far
[07:45] <tolstoy> jason_, my keyboard and mouse don't work anymore. prob with hotplug maybe? don't know.
[07:45] <dredg> ymmv
[07:45] <jason_> is there anyway I can go back without reformatting?
[07:46] <ogra> jason_: not supported
[07:46] <tolstoy> for all I know, it's the hyperthreading I turned on last friday
[07:47] <tolstoy> ogra, so, is a DVD burner "multimedia"?
[07:48] <mvo_> jason_: fix is ready for testing
[07:49] <ogra> tolstoy: i'd guess disk devices or so, its not very complete now :(
[07:49] <ogra> tolstoy: or burnig device...but there are no categories yet it seems....
[07:49] <tolstoy> yeah.  hm. not sure where to look for compatibility issues.
[07:50] <ogra> tolstoy: this would be the best place if complete.....(you can always add your HW *hint* *hint*)
[07:51] <tkz> Are you ready for a really stupid question? Is it normal that there's this user "nobody" in your system?
[07:52] <Kamion> yes
[07:52] <daniels> tkz: yes
[07:52] <tkz> Thanks
[07:52] <ogra> tkz: its a system user
[07:52] <Kamion> tkz: see /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.txt.gz
[07:52] <tolstoy> ogra, i'd be happy to, but the devices haven't been ordered.  I wanted to see if they're linux compatible.
[07:53] <ogra> tkz: btw there are no stupid questions ;)
[07:53] <tkz> ogra: that's what I think too but not all agree :)
[07:53] <ogra> tkz: only bad documentation......
[07:53] <tkz> :)
[07:53] <punkass> this is kinda a generic linux question...I have a ton of small zipped files..to store them is it better to store them all in one dir or in mulitple dirs, say by date or something ?
[07:53] <ogra> tkz: ...or good hidden one
[07:54] <unperson> Hi all.
[07:55] <topyli> what was the name of the cool daemonized music app?
[07:55] <unperson> I have asked at least one of these before but I have yet to get an answer.  I'm looking for GUI tools to a) Config wireless connection (swtich networks, setup encryption, etc.) and b) go into standby power mode.  Anyone know of such apps for Gnome?
[07:56] <rapha> Bah.
[07:56] <rapha> This OmniBook is a pile of crap.
[07:56] <rapha> I can EITHER have sound, OR have my WLAN card working.
[07:56] <rapha> Some wierd DMA conflict or something...
[07:57] <rapha> AND sound will only work when I load the module in /etc/init.d/gdm, but NOT when I load it in /etc/modules.
[07:57] <ogra> rapha: still your ISA card prob ?
[07:58] <rapha> ogra: Prolly. Well, I gave up on ALSA and am now using the OSS driver (no GnomeMeeting/Linphone then, but oh well).
[07:59] <punkass> unperson: i ended up making my own little wifi app
[07:59] <ogra> rapha: can you force interrupts in the BIOS ? i'd play with this.....
[07:59] <rapha> I just don't understand what problem the WLAN card has when the sound module is loaded. My ethernet PCMCIA card works fine. Tried different I/O port / IRQ / DMA settings on the sound card as well. Didn't really help.
[07:59] <rapha> I tried 5, 7 and 9.
[07:59] <rapha> For IRQ, that is.
[08:00] <rapha> The ethernet card uses 3, says so on module loading. No idea about the Orinoco WLAN card though.
[08:00] <ogra> rapha: cat /proc/interrupts tells you
[08:00] <unperson> punkass, Hmm...well, I'm sure there must be some out there somewhere.  There certainly are for KDE.
[08:01] <ogra> rapha: device manager should too
[08:01] <rapha> The driver probably has some code that says "get_snd_card_irq(&irq); init_card(&irq, &dma, &io); exit(1);"
[08:01] <punkass> unperson: check out gnomefiles.org
[08:01] <punkass> or you are welcome to try mine
[08:02] <rapha> Good idea ogra; I'll try that later.
[08:02] <rapha> For now, the 56k modem is busy with the system update :)
[08:02] <unperson> punkass, Thanks.  I'll check out gnomefiles.org first.  I think there's something to be said for having something standard (unless one is the author).
[08:03] <punkass> np...good luck... you may find wifi radar there...i tried it and couldnt get it to work right..
[08:04] <chibifs> Allo :D
[08:05] <chibifs> Awww, now come on, not all 300 of you are idling. :/
[08:05] <rapha> Okay, hi.
[08:06] <strestout1> hello
[08:06] <chibifs> Yay ^^.
[08:06] <chibifs> Just moved to ubuntu from Slackware last night. Still moving in..
[08:06] <ogra> hi
[08:06] <unperson> Welcome.
[08:07] <ogra> nice move btw
[08:07] <unperson> Never used Slack myself.
[08:07] <strestout1> has anyone successfully used ndiswrapper with ubuntu?
[08:07] <strestout1> i'm trying to get my wifi card working but no success so far
[08:07] <tolstoy> folks, do dvd burners (ide) implement a pretty standard interface such that I don't really have to worry about which one to buy?
[08:08] <desp> okay...
[08:08] <ogra> strestout1: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363/
[08:08] <chibifs> It feels pretty fresh.. I've had problems with debian before though. I was a little skeptical.  How do you add in the deb menu? x_X;
[08:09] <strestout1> thanx ogra, but thats the page i used to set it up
[08:09] <strestout1> the ubuntu kernel already comes with ndiswrapper module built in
[08:09] <strestout1> and i cant find ndiswrapper-utils to download anywhere
[08:09] <unperson> chibifs, The deb menu?
 This program will now walk you through..."
[08:11] <ogra> desp: cmon, only the clock....
[08:11] <unperson> chibifs, Maybe someone else knows.  I haven't messed with it yet.
[08:12] <epod> If I turn ACPI off when I boot, does APM still run?
[08:12] <desp> ogra: agh, I forgot I need to set the DNS in a different way for linux than for macos...so it's my fault
[08:12] <desp> but I have ubuntu running now
[08:12] <strestout1> k, im gonna see if i can find ndiswrapper-utils on the cd then...brb
[08:12] <ogra> chibifs: it's patched out....
[08:13] <chibifs> Hehe, it's fine. Not that much of a gripe. I generally use XFCE CVS as an environment, I'm just seeing gnome 2.8 as a little better than 2.4 was. :o
[08:13] <ogra> chibifs: no debian menu in ubuntu
[08:13] <desp> should I write a HOWTO for getting ubuntu working on oldworld ppcs?
[08:13] <ogra> desp: on the wiki please
[08:13] <chibifs> Thanks. :D
[08:13] <desp> aight
[08:13] <ogra> epod: yes, it should
[08:14] <chibifs> I can live with out it, just need to pay more attention to what I install. >.>;
[08:14] <ogra> epod: needs th apm modue though
[08:14] <ogra> +e +l
[08:15] <chibifs> I'm also used to it since slack had no such thing. :o
[08:15] <fishytimlong> hello...is there simple, point and click way to setup one's modem to connect to your isp...i managed to do it (here i am) but i thought that ubuntu was supposed to be newbie friendly
[08:16] <achille1> what ever i try to install on my fresh ubuntu, it says:
[08:16] <achille1> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[08:16] <achille1> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[08:16] <achille1>         LANGUAGE = "en_GB:en_US:en",
[08:16] <achille1>         LC_ALL = (unset),
[08:16] <achille1>         LANG = "en"
[08:16] <achille1>     are supported and installed on your system.
[08:16] <achille1> can somebody help ?
[08:16] <dredg> achille1: thats your locale
[08:16] <snake__> Which module do in insert for a Broadcom NetXtreme??
[08:16] <Echramath> achille1: Yes, I had the same problem.
[08:16] <ogra> achille1: hoary ???
[08:16] <dredg> you need to generate the right locales
[08:17] <dredg> i think: dpkg-reconfigure locale
[08:17] <achille1> what is hoary ? sorry ;)
[08:17] <ogra> k
[08:17] <Echramath> But I couldn't generate locales before I commented en ISO-8859-1 out.
[08:17] <strestout1> ok ndiswrapper-utils is not in the cd as far as i can tell
[08:17] <strestout1> anyone have it and wanna send it to me :-D ?
[08:18] <chibifs> You should be able to get it with synaptic?
[08:18] <manusate> I'm a total newbie that needs some help, and will probably ask some stupid questions
[08:18] <ogra> strestout1: must be there.... Kamion ? ndiswrapper-utils on the cd ?
[08:19] <strestout1> i even tried to google ndiswrapper-utils and came up blank for files
[08:19] <chibifs> manusate- try me. :D
[08:19] <afonit> also, manusate, make sure you have read the faq's on the website
[08:20] <snake__> So any ideas on the broadcom driver? I have the new gnoppix and would like to give it a run
[08:20] <ogra> strestout1: try sudo apt-cdrom, then sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[08:20] <rapha> Bah
[08:20] <strestout1> will do ogra...brb
[08:20] <rapha> nautilus' ssh implementation is wierd. Sometimes it'll work and sometimes it won't.
[08:21] <achille1> locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
[08:21] <achille1> locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
[08:21] <achille1> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
[08:21] <achille1> Package `locale' is not installed and no info is available.
[08:21] <achille1> reconfigure doesnt help..
[08:21] <ogra> achille1: sure you finished the install proprly ?
[08:21] <ogra> +e
[08:22] <mikael> i'm running the ubuntu livecd, and apt-get update says "E: Method http has died unexpectedly!" right after the first Get: line, and aptitude update seems to pick one random deb source and get it
[08:22] <ogra> achille1: the package is calles locales
[08:22] <achille1> at least it prompted so "installation succesfully"
[08:22] <mikael> my internet connection does work
[08:22] <ogra> s/d
[08:22] <tolstoy> Is it possible to do xinerama with the stock nv driver?
[08:23] <chibifs> Use the commercial, tolstoy. :P
[08:23] <chibifs> There's an install for it in apt.
[08:23] <strestout1> nothing ogra...i think i might just need to bring the whole pc down here and just hook it up to the router directly til i can get the wifi card working
[08:23] <achille1> in synaptic it says locales is installed.
[08:24] <ogra> achille1: dpkg-reconfigure locales   (regard the s )
[08:24] <afonit> if anyone has struggled getting mplayer working, here a an awesome site I found,  for the first time in my using linux I got it working, this is very straight forward  http://www.oldskoolphreak.com/tfiles/hack/ubuntu.txt
[08:25] <kyle> d
[08:25] <achille1>  locales is broken or not fully installed
[08:26] <ogra> afonit: see here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:26] <snake__> afonit, anything for those who do not know which module to insmod for a Broadcom NetXtreme????
[08:26] <achille1> says synaptic, how can i reinstall it without running into the same error messages again ?
[08:26] <kyle> can anyone help with mounting ntfs
[08:27] <afonit> ogra:  that is why they don't ship it with that
[08:27] <rapha> Poll: what screen resolution are y'all using?
[08:27] <tolstoy> chibifs, well, but is it possible, is all.  i mean, I'll use the commercial in a minute or two.
[08:28] <Echramath> snake__: Google didn't help you?
[08:28] <snake__> No.
[08:28] <ogra_watching_9-> afonit: its the install instruction, the right way for ubuntu
[08:28] <tolstoy> chibifs, I just get an error saying something like the device is already in use.  (dual head card)
[08:28] <chibifs> Kyle, I'm helping someone with such right now.
[08:28] <afonit> ogra: yes, anyways, I am just sharing a way that has worked for me, as all other's havent, to help out anyone else that might need it, not a big deal, so lets get past it
[08:29] <chibifs> I'll wiki it once I'm done if it isn't yet.
[08:29] <nimc> the 'desktop preferences / keyboard shortcuts' stopped having an effect (e.g. alt+f4 to close a window) - any idea how to solve it ?
[08:29] <XuW> akenet.org
[08:29] <ogra_watchingtv> afonit: i led more then 50 ppl with this... all are happy
[08:30] <afonit> k, now you are missing my point
[08:30] <chibifs> tolstoy - Did you fix your xf86config to use the nvidia driver? :P
[08:31] <bipolar> hi everyone. Has anyone used ubuntu's gnome packages in sarge? I've got a sarge server that I want to run remote gnome sessions from.
[08:31] <rapha> Whoops. Back.
[08:31] <rapha> Now again.
[08:32] <rapha> Poll: what screen resolution are y'all using?
[08:32] <tolstoy> chibifs, nah, i'm using "nv", but wanted to know if xinerama is even possible with it, even if it's not a good idea.
[08:32] <bipolar> rapha: 1400x1050
[08:32] <nimc> help? anyone knows what controls the gnome keyboard shortcuts?
[08:33] <tolstoy> chibifs, by "stock" I mean XFree's drivers.
[08:33] <nimc> 1600x1200
[08:33] <chibifs> Why ya using the stock drivers? :/
[08:33] <chibifs> I don't think it's possible.
[08:33] <chibifs> Or if it is, not very good. >.>;
[08:33] <david_> algun espaol?
[08:34] <tolstoy> chibifs, okay.
[08:34] <david_> hello, i am spanis
[08:34] <david_> help
[08:38] <kensai> anyone know where to download the xi-gnome icons since in gnome-look the link is down?
[08:38] <kensai> or a site with more themes than gnomme look?
[08:39] <topyli> kensai: art.gnome.org has lots of themes too
[08:40] <kensai> topyli: thanks
[08:45] <chibifs> Shoot
[08:45] <chibifs> He left before I told him to actually make the folder he was mounting to. x_X
[08:46] <Pizbit> He'll figure it out how the error message one hopes
[08:47] <chibifs> Does system V show mount errors? o.o
[08:47] <tolstoy> i never seem to have luck restarting networking on ubuntu
[08:56] <hennebausv> hello, i am totally new to ubuntu - in fact i havent used it yet. i am using archlinux at the moment and would like to give ubuntu a try. i would like to know what to download - the install iso or the livecd - am i also able to install the live one to hard drive or should i download the other one for that purpose for sure?
[08:56] <Pizbit> Live cd is not installable
[08:56] <Pizbit> You can only install using the install cd.
[08:59] <merlin0> helo
[09:01] <tolstoy> usb mouse blacklisted????
[09:01] <Pizbit> o_O? Mine works
[09:03] <Striss> my usb mouse works fine
[09:03] <tolstoy> Well, mine used to work fine, too.  It shouldn't make a different that it wasn't plugged in while booting, should it?
[09:03] <tolstoy> Or that there's a ps2 mouse hooked up as well?
[09:05] <tolstoy> seems its the wireless mouse
[09:07] <Pizbit> Shouldn't matter
[09:07] <Pizbit> tolstoy: Battery dead?
[09:07] <manusate> newbie needs help to do some basic stuff
[09:07] <tolstoy> well, no, got the red flashing light.  just changed 'em.  hm.
[09:07] <Pizbit> newbie will have to ask good questions to get answers.
[09:10] <manusate> how do I manage to automatically mount my ntfs partitions?
[09:11] <dredg> good question. i have fstab entries and they never seem to mount at boot
[09:12] <Napo> manusate: /etc/fstab ?
[09:12] <manusate> that doesn't ring a bell, Napo
[09:13] <dredg> /dev/hda1               /mnt/c                  ntfs    ro,users        0      0
[09:13] <dredg> refuses to mount at boot :)
[09:13] <brad> manusate: /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs users,owner,ro,umask=000 0 0
[09:13] <dredg> i think its udev related though
[09:14] <dredg> complains about the lack of /dev/hda1 :)
[09:15] <manusate> that is a line I must add on /etc/fstab?
[09:15] <brad> yes
[09:15] <Pizbit> manusate: Create the /mnt/windows directory first
[09:15] <manusate> I don't know shit on linux
[09:15] <manusate> sorry
[09:15] <Pizbit> *gone* *school*:)
[09:16] <Pizbit> As long as you ask good questions, listen, pay attention and don't be an ass, you'll be fine;)
[09:16] <manusate> 'sudo mkdir windows' will do the trick?
[09:16] <Pizbit> If you're in /mnt yes, else: sudo mkdir /mnt/windows
[09:17] <Pizbit> *gone* for real:)
[09:17] <Napo> manusate: ... do you load the ntfs module at boot time?
[09:18] <manusate> don't know Nepo
[09:19] <manusate> I already created the /mnt/windows directory
[09:19] <Napo> manusate: echo ntfs >> /etc/modules
[09:19] <manusate> ok
[09:21] <manusate> denied access Napo (this sudo/root thing drives me crazy)
[09:22] <pepsi_> if you're doing a lot of stuff as root, just do sudo -s
[09:22] <kingsley> What do people here use to compress data?
[09:22] <Napo> manusate: sudo echo ntfs >> /etc/modules
[09:23] <Napo> kingsley: bzip2
[09:23] <pepsi_> kingsley, tar -zcf
[09:23] <Napo> pepsi_: so ... gzip
[09:23] <pepsi_> yes
[09:24] <manusate> nothing happens Napo
[09:24] <Napo> manusate: sure
[09:25] <Napo> manusate: you added the istruction to load the ntfs module at boot time
[09:25] <manusate> oh, I see
[09:25] <Napo> manusate: so ... reboot
[09:25] <manusate> lol
[09:25] <manusate> ok
[09:25] <Napo> manusate: but "sudo modprobe ntfs"
[09:25] <jdz`> *laughs*
[09:27] <kingsley> Napo: Why do you compress?
[09:27] <Napo> kingsley: what'
[09:27] <Napo> kingsley: what?
[09:28] <Napo> kingsley: i use always "tar vjcf"
[09:29] <kingsley> Napo: Do you compress to save space for backups or data transfers?
[09:29] <Napo> kingsley: only data transfer
[09:31] <kingsley> Is the compressed data transferred between your boxes, or to and/or from someone elses?
[09:31] <kingsley> pepsi_: Why do you compress?
[09:31] <manusate> here we go again
[09:31] <topyli> the Music Player Daemon is just too cool
[09:32] <manusate> rebooted
[09:32] <captine> Ubuntu vs Slackware 10.  Who's the winner?
[09:33] <manusate> now what?
[09:33] <[Phaedrus] > ubuntu
[09:34] <manusate> Napo?
[09:35] <tolstoy> any reason why, when i apt-get install dia, it doesn't show up in the applications menu?  (even after kicks and a re-login)?
[09:35] <Napo> kingsley: both
[09:35] <Napo> kingsley: if you save space use squashfs
[09:35] <shaver> so here I am, trying to get Java working on ubuntu (warty)
[09:36] <shaver> I'm following the http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian page
[09:36] <shaver> but the equivs-build stuff can't be found
[09:37] <Napo> manusate: sorry ... incomplete sentence: look to squashfs if you need more space
[09:37] <Napo> manusate: sorry ... i'm confused
[09:38] <Napo> manusate: write "lsmod | grep ntfs"
[09:38] <Napo> shaver: look on the Ubuntu web site on the documentation section
[09:38] <shaver> that's where I was looking, when I found the link to the Java-on-Debian page
[09:38] <jdz`> shaver: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.3469703387/view
[09:38] <mdz> tolstoy: I believe you want dia-gnome
[09:38] <manusate> lsmod | grep ntfs?
[09:39] <shaver> it said: If you wish to use the Java SDK/RE, see Java on Debian for an installation guide (it's also valid for Ubuntu).
[09:39] <jdz`> shaver: did you try the apt-sources?  that should be a lot easier.
[09:40] <shaver> jdz`: the z42.de/debian one?
[09:40] <jdz`> *nods*
[09:40] <shaver> that page says they no longer distribute packages
[09:40] <shaver> if you follow the link
[09:40] <shaver> which apt-sources should I use?
[09:43] <manusate> Napo: done, now what?
[09:44] <Napo> manusate: what is the answer?
[09:45] <shaver> jdz`: what apt-sources should I use?
[09:46] <tolstoy> mdz, oh, okay.
[09:46] <Pete-Gas> I am having problems printing with some programs
[09:46] <Pete-Gas> in gedit I can print to my printer just fine
[09:46] <Telep> Has anyone had a problem of losing the network connection after a while? It seems to happen regularly with me. Using DHCP.
[09:46] <Pete-Gas> but open office does not print
[09:47] <Pete-Gas> and firefox doesnt even know I have a printer setup
[09:49] <tolstoy> Ah! Back to warty goodness (which is not a sentence I ever expected to say).
[09:49] <tolstoy> :)
[09:50] <kent> When installing vmware i need to supply it with where my kernel-headers are. Are they installed by default? they are not in /usr/src. What is the package to install? I cant find a package with <IP_ADDRESS> in synaptic, and thats the kernel i run, and i guess the default one in Ubuntu since i dont think i changed kernel..
[09:50] <kensai> tolstoy: why?
[09:52] <brock> hi i have problems to install ubuntu.. i dunno how to detect my hdd
[09:54] <brock> i only have the option to "Manually edit partition table"
[09:55] <brock> debian sarge detected my hdd and installed the base system (and killd my windows) ^^
[09:56] <kent> Isn't 2.6.8 the default kernel in Ubuntu? How come i see no mention of that kernel with apt and synaptic? I only see 2.6.7 and below.
[09:56] <ryan> kent: if you don't choose to manually edit the partition table, it will use the entire disk
[09:57] <ryan> hence why you lost windows.
[09:57] <kent> ryan, i did not lose an entire disk, ;)
[09:58] <kent> ryan, my problem is why i cant find the kernel-headers for the default kernel in ubuntu :)
[09:58] <ryan> oh sorry wrong person
[09:58] <ryan> s/kent/brock/ ;)
[09:59] <brock> becourse it didn't detect my windows installation
[09:59] <brock> and lilo don't show the old installation
[09:59] <brock> and i dunno how to reconf it myself ..
[10:00] <brock> i did not install lilo in the bootloader (hda3)
[10:00] <brock> becourse this is the second time ..
[10:00] <brock> i thought this was safe .. it was not .
[10:00] <kent> ah, ubuntu names the kernel* packages linux-* now it works.
[10:01] <brock> i think there is no way for me to repair the masterboot record for windows becourse fixmbr works only for i386 (me amd64)
[10:02] <rapha> brock: Why don't you put GRUB into the MBR and have it chain load Windows?
[10:02] <Acridien> re
[10:02] <Acridien> What is .ICEauthority ?
[10:02] <TSWoodV> brock: Do you have another machine running amd64 windows?  If so, copy the MBR from there.
[10:03] <brock> i only have  a net install sarge (can not detect network device)  a sarge magazine DVD (grub didn't detect windows and broke it)  ubuntu 64 version (hdd not detected) ;)
[10:04] <brock> or can I fix or install GRUB with knoppix ?
[10:04] <rebirth> yeah you can.
[10:04] <rebirth> i remember i had to a while ago
[10:04] <rapha> You can even use a simple boot floppy with GRUB on it for that.
[10:04] <rapha> But make sure to print out the GRUB manual if you do that.
[10:05] <brock> i will ...
[10:06] <brock> very unix noob ... but determined to kill everything ... well i already did ^^
[10:06] <rapha> Oh, another option would be to re-install Ubuntu and let it take over the entire hard disk :)
[10:07] <jazzka> anyone using gdesklets?
[10:07] <rapha> Nah, resource eaters.
[10:07] <Acridien> How come when I launched k3b using sudo then my .ICEauthority became a root file
[10:08] <Acridien> ?!?
[10:08] <Acridien> what is ICEauthority btw
[10:08] <shaver> anyone else get jdk1.5 working on warty?
[10:09] <rapha> Wow, that nautilus sound preview thingy is dang cool.
[10:10] <[Phaedrus] > heh
[10:11] <rapha> [Phaedrus] : does that come from Phaidros?
[10:11] <rapha> Hmm.
[10:12] <rapha> Or would it be more fitting to enhance Evolution with a "use playlist X to notify me at this apointment" feature...
[10:13] <rapha> On the other hand, a small "start this command at this time"-program might be more easy to implement.
[10:14] <topyli> rapha: i'd do that with at or perhaps even sleep
[10:16] <mdz> Acridien: because k3b is buggy
[10:16] <Bobo_> Hello, I had some visitors who without permission installed windoze on my machine (I have been MS free for some months), however they did not delete my linux partition but installed it on empty space... but Now windoze boots default, my grub is gone.. who can I fix this... Pls.. help
[10:16] <Acridien> mdz: really
[10:17] <Acridien> mdz: how come it has changed my .ICEauthority owner
[10:17] <mdz> Acridien: because you ran it as root with HOME set to your home directory
[10:18] <Acridien> mdz: and what does it means ?
[10:19] <mirak_-> Bobo_, what kinda guest would go and do that??......
[10:19] <rapha> topyli: Well, right now I'm using sleep and a calculator to determine how many seconds I need the computer to sleep before it should wake me with music. But that means that (1) I always have to do some calculations before I can go to bed and (2) it doesn't work with Muine, only with mplayer or the like.
[10:19] <Bobo_> mirak_-: Evil one.. help me..
[10:19] <Acridien> mdz: At least I have an exemple of what root privileges mean :-)
[10:19] <rapha> But a front-end to apmsleep might be even cooler.
[10:20] <Bobo_> mirak_-: I now know why one shuold have boot password in bios enabled.
[10:20] <mirak_-> Bobo_, im a newb...sorry
[10:21] <rapha> Bobo_: Well, get KNOPPIX or so, chroot into your Ubuntu installation and run grub-install.
[10:21] <mirak_-> Bobo_, there you go...........what rapha said
[10:21] <jdub> Kamion: jeff
[10:21] <jdub> er
[10:21] <jdub> bong
[10:21] <Bobo_> rapha: Would that solve the problem??.. Is it that easy??.. I don't have knoppix, but I have SimplyMEPIS live CD can I use that one?
[10:22] <Jimi-Jam> hi
[10:22] <Acridien> mdz: how do I use cdrecord to make a copy of a cd ?
[10:22] <shaver> jdub!
[10:22] <shaver> jdub: help me get java installed =/
[10:22] <shaver> jdub: equivs isn't around for me, that I can see
[10:22] <Acridien> mdz: I wanted to do the job with kde
[10:23] <jdub> hey shaver
[10:23] <jdub> Acridien: use dd
[10:23] <jdub> shaver: hrm, did you see the java info on the wiki?
[10:24] <trans_err> Acridien, dd of=cdromdev cd.iso
[10:24] <Acridien> trans_err: and then cdrecord ?
[10:25] <trans_err> Acridien, dd will create an iso of the given cd and you can use cdrecord to then burn the iso onto a new disk
[10:25] <shaver> jdub: yes
[10:25] <shaver> jdub: I was foiled twice
[10:25] <Acridien> trans_err: oki tx alot
[10:25] <shaver> jdub: once, in that it directs me to the apt-sources for some z42.de site that doesn't have them
[10:26] <shaver> jdub: then the again in that the Java-on-Debian instructions require an "equivs" package that I am not allowed to find, or something
[10:27] <mirak_-> Bobo_, should work...as long as you can install grub from it......and only grub
[10:29] <Acridien> trans_err: dd if=/dev/hdc of=/home/acridien/cd.iso ?
[10:29] <trans_err> Acridien, oops- yeah
[10:30] <Acridien> trans_err: I should have read the man page earlier anyway tx
[10:30] <brock> yeah windows is booting just set the old partition back to active .. with parted ..
[10:31] <brock> but i have still the hdd problem with ubuntu ..
[10:32] <brock> WD raptor hdd !?!
[10:32] <shaver> jdub: any hints on where to get equivs?
[10:32] <shaver> jdub: the message I get is sort of odd
[10:33] <jdub> shaver: equivs is probably in universe
[10:33] <brock> anybody knows a little hind to tell ubuntu there is a hdd in the box ?
[10:33] <shaver> how do I make my computer find universe, I wonder?
[10:33] <jdub> shaver: uncomment lines in sources.list
[10:34] <shaver> OK!
[10:34] <Acridien> trans_err: I got a I/O error
[10:34] <mirak_-> shaver, open synaptic......go to settings-repositories.....enable them all
[10:34] <Acridien> trans_err: with hdc
[10:35] <SmokingFire> can you mount a partition on linux as a folder?
[10:35] <shaver> mirak_-: OK, I did that, and I don't find "equivs" still
[10:35] <SmokingFire> not asking how but just if you can
[10:36] <brock> ubuntu install does not detect my hdd is there something i can do ?
[10:36] <SmokingFire> wait, all paritions are mounted as folders for the end users, duh!
[10:36] <shaver> OK
[10:37] <shaver> now I'm rocking
[10:37] <mirak_-> shaver, im at work (widowns box) that's all I can do for ya.......maybe its in multiverse
[10:37] <mirak_-> shaver, find it?
[10:37] <shaver> yeah
[10:37] <mirak_-> shaver, btw...dont forget to hit the synaptic upgrade button
[10:37] <mirak_-> err update....whatever it is called
[10:37] <shaver> yeah, that's what I was missing
[10:37] <mirak_-> lol...sorry...didnt mention
[10:38] <shaver> np!
[10:38] <shaver> thanks a ton
[10:38] <mirak_-> :)
[10:38] <brock> can nobody help a little noob :| ?
[10:39] <mirak_-> broch, this newb will try to help
[10:39] <mirak_-> brock, whats the prob?
[10:39] <brock> ubuntu can not find my hdd at installation
[10:39] <mirak_-> brock, can anything else?
[10:40] <jonh_> mmm hi all.. i'm about to download ubuntu, i want to try it on a livecd first, should i choose to download the "warty-live-i386.iso" ?
[10:40] <mirak_-> brock, like the bios and such?
[10:40] <mirak_-> jonh, why not??........you got a pc right
[10:40] <brock> well debian sarge found the hdd correctly
[10:41] <jonh_> yup, just making sure b4 i download 650MB....
[10:41] <mirak_-> brock, check bios now......maybe its not there......idk......
[10:41] <brock> windows too....
[10:41] <brock> it is windows is currectly running
[10:41] <mirak_-> john, kk....yeah..thats the one you want.......
[10:41] <mirak_-> brock, idk then......sorry.....
[10:42] <brock> ok thx
[10:42] <jonh_> and i can also install from the livecd later, right?
[10:42] <ryan> does using the nforce driver improve soundcard abilities instead of just using the intel driver
[10:42] <mirak_-> brock, I don't know that much about linux.......if it were a windows prob I would say to check what kind of IDE ribbon you were using
[10:42] <mirak_-> john, I believe so......pretty sure
[10:42] <brock> i think the hardware is just a little new
[10:42] <jonh_> cheers
[10:42] <brock> and not supported ..
[10:43] <mirak_-> brock, whatcha got?
[10:43] <brock> WD raptor
[10:43] <mirak_-> jonh, good luck
[10:43] <Acridien> dd won't work
[10:43] <Acridien> I/O errors
[10:43] <Acridien> ?!?
[10:43] <mirak_-> brock, above me...sorry......but maybe the ogra bot is around and can help
[10:45] <brock> maybe a SATA problem ? !
[10:45] <Acridien> Is it possible to copy a dvd with dd ?
[10:46] <mirak_-> brock, could be......press f2 (i think) during install and browse the help file for sata stuff
[10:46] <Acridien> because at the moment it is complaining about an I/O error
[10:46] <shaver> I installed on SATA, worked great!
[10:47] <mirak_-> shaver, did you have to do anything??.....or just press enter?
[10:47] <SmokingFire> jonh_: Yes download the warty iso, I don't know if there is already a hoarty iso but from my personal experience the hoarty build needs some fixing.
[10:47] <SmokingFire> jonh_: as far as I know you can't install from the livecd.
[10:48] <mirak_-> smokingfire, really???.........wtf...why not
[10:48] <mirak_-> that is wierd
[10:48] <SmokingFire> mirak_ as far as I know
[10:49] <mirak_-> smokingfire, kk....i apologize
[10:49] <altan> okay, this is just ridiculous. Even on dialup there's absolutely no reason why Synaptic should fetch files at an average of 1k/s
[10:49] <mirak_-> smokingfire, too bad I took mine home...or I could tell you now
[10:49] <altan> are there any mirrors?
[10:49] <SmokingFire> you are the same mirak_ noob from some weeks ago?
[10:50] <altan> thing is, it seems to speed up when I open other internet processes
[10:50] <mirak_-> smokingfire, my name has never been "mirak_ noob" but yes...i am mirak
[10:50] <altan> like it tries to compete, but when there's no competition it works very slowly
[10:50] <mirak_-> smokingfire, may I ask why?
[10:50] <altan> any idea why the hell this could be happening?
[10:50] <SmokingFire> no i mean mirak & noob (newby)
[10:51] <SmokingFire> mirak_ I just like seeing kids growing up, call me sentimental.
[10:51] <strestout1> anyone know of a good samba frontend?
[10:51] <mirak_-> smokingfire, I am mirak, mirak_, and mirak_-......i am a newb
[10:52] <ogra> what a film
[10:52] <mirak_-> smokingfire, and yes I am getting a bit better.........things make sence to me now.........and I get to help in this room with some stuff
[10:52] <altan> like, I started Xchat, and suddenly it's working quite fast again
[10:52] <ogra> mirak ?
[10:52] <SmokingFire> kids being noob and growing up meaning helping others with advanced stuff.
[10:52] <mirak_-> ogra, bot I was just looking for you
[10:52] <ogra> i'm back from tv....
[10:52] <jmhodges> hey, i can't seem to figure out how to make rhythmbox like shoutcast playlists
[10:52] <mirak_-> ogra, what were ya watching?
[10:52] <jmhodges> i just get "Buffering..." over and over and over
[10:52] <jmhodges> and i know the site is up :-/
[10:53] <ogra> farenheit 9/11
[10:53] <SmokingFire> jmhodges: have you installed gst mad lib?
[10:53] <altan> does anyone else have "peer pressure" problems with their bandwidth?
[10:53] <ogra> was on german free tv today
[10:53] <jmhodges> SmokingFire: yeah, i'm listening to my mp3s right now
[10:53] <ogra> jhm: try streamtuner
[10:53] <ogra> jmhodges
[10:53] <jmhodges> hmm.. ok
[10:53] <altan> anyone?
[10:53] <jonh__> smokingfire, what does "warty" mean anyway?
[10:54] <SmokingFire> how can I get gnome to stop autoplay cd's?
[10:54] <jmhodges> jonh_: its shorty for "Warty Warthog" the name of the first release
[10:54] <altan> jonh__ it's from The Lion King I believe
[10:54] <SmokingFire> jonh_ its in the faq somewhere
[10:54] <ogra> jmhodges: if you anna record, streamripper too
[10:54] <ogra> +w
[10:54] <jmhodges> ooo
[10:54] <Acridien> ogra: hello
[10:54] <jmhodges> ogra: thanks
[10:54] <jdub> shaver: all sorted?
[10:54] <jonh__> aiight, thnx..
[10:54] <ogra> Acridien: hi
[10:54] <shaver> jdub: terrifyingly, yes, I think I have Java
[10:55] <Acridien> ogra: do you know how I get dd to make an iso image of a dvd ?
[10:55] <ogra> Acridien: wont work...
[10:55] <jdub> shaver: not the simplest thing to do atm.
[10:55] <Acridien> ogra: why?
[10:55] <shaver> jdub: agreed!
[10:55] <SmokingFire> Any ideas how to stop auto playing of audio CD's?
[10:55] <jdub> shaver: i imagine if we can get redistribution rights, it'll appear in multiverse.
[10:55] <ogra> Acridien: dvd has a different filesystem
[10:55] <jdub> SmokingFire: computer > desktop preferences > removeable devices
[10:56] <Acridien> ogra: is there a work-around ?
[10:56] <ogra> Acridien: no iso.... it think its called hfs...
[10:56] <ogra> Acridien: nope...
[10:56] <SmokingFire> jdub: thanks it was really annoying me as I'm ripping some cds
[10:56] <Acridien> ogra: there is no way to do that ?
[10:57] <ogra> Acridien: you can only copy it to disk....(i never copied a dvd actually...got no writer)
[10:57] <mirak_-> acridien, its not even that easy to do on windows
[10:58] <Acridien> ogra: and how do I get it copied on my disk ?
[10:58] <ogra> Acridien: drag n drop ??
[10:58] <SmokingFire> hey, if I do a dd if=/dev/cdrom of=myfilo.img will it be a standard iso?
[10:58] <ogra> smo: yep
[10:58] <ogra> SmokingFire
[10:59] <SmokingFire> ogra: ok thanks
[10:59] <mirak_-> well guys Im out.........
[10:59] <mirak_-> laters
[11:01] <tuxx> Evening ppl.
[11:03] <Acridien> ogra: isn't something weird with the default setting of the mount point in ubuntu
[11:03] <Acridien> ogra: for cds
[11:03] <ogra> Acridien: why ?
[11:05] <Acridien> ogra: do you have an fstab to show me i will compare
[11:05] <Acridien> ogra: and my media mount points are strange
[11:05] <ogra> Acridien: /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[11:05] <Acridien> ogra: but I don't have a cdrom0 mount point in /media
[11:06] <Acridien> ogra: and I didn't remember to have touch it
[11:06] <ogra> Acridien: what do you have for cdrom in media ?
[11:07] <manusate> how do I activate NTP support for internet time servers?
[11:07] <ogra> manusate: its there by default....on boot
[11:08] <tuxx> How do I activate my numlock uppon boot?
[11:08] <manusate> not working here
[11:08] <tuxx> manusate isn't it being set on boot?
[11:08] <manusate> hardware clock
[11:08] <Acridien> ogra: I have cdrom1 normal and a cdrom which has become an application-octetstream ?!? plus floppy and floppy0
[11:09] <tuxx> manusate on my system Ubuntu syncronises the time on every boot. It's not active but it's being set on boot.
[11:09] <Acridien> ogra: how the hell i screwed up that
[11:09] <tuxx> manusate if u wanna set it again hit 'sudo /etc/init.d/ntpd start'
[11:09] <tuxx> I believe it's ntpd.. something like that
[11:09] <manusate> NTP, but how can I change this behavior?
[11:10] <ogra> Acridien: seems like you tried to copy or dd something to /media/cdrom
[11:10] <tuxx> manusate I have no idea. I've wondered the same but stopped the wonderen since it's of no use when it's being set on boot every day :-)
[11:10] <tuxx> gotta run quick.. brb
[11:11] <manusate> 'command not found' tuxx
[11:11] <ogra> Acridien: remove /media/cdrom and do: cd /media && sudo ln -s cdrom1 cdrom
[11:11] <ryan> anyone successfully got the nforce audio drivers to build in ubuntu
[11:12] <ogra> manusate: sudo ntpdate ntp.ubuntulinux.org
[11:12] <ryan> i installed the linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-3_<IP_ADDRESS>-16_i386 deb
[11:12] <Acridien> ogra: ...cdrom0 cdrom rather ?
[11:12] <ogra> Acridien: k
[11:13] <Acridien> ogra: I have to type the full path to th dev?
[11:13] <altan> Come on guys, there's got to be an answer, this is ridiculous! I just managed to get my apt-update going again by opening Firefox and going to a few web sites.
[11:13] <manusate> yeah, ogra
[11:13] <ogra> Acridien: if you cd to media before, no
[11:14] <ogra> ryan: does: sudo modprobe i2c-nforce2
[11:14] <ogra> ryan: help ?
[11:14] <manusate> problem is that I get this message 'NTP support is not running'
[11:15] <ogra> manusate: when ?
[11:15] <tuxx> manusate back
[11:16] <manusate> when I try to tick the 'syncronize clock with net server' box
[11:17] <manusate> or something like that, dunno the exact translation in english
[11:17] <ogra> manusate: this requires ntpd, bt this one is pretty active in keeping your clock in sync, causes much traffic
[11:18] <ogra> altan: what have you done ?
[11:19] <altan> ogra: Synaptic refuses to download things unless it has competition for the bandwidth
[11:19] <altan> this is by far the stupidest problem I've ever encountered in computers
[11:19] <ryan> wheres the ubuntu sound detection stuff
[11:19] <manusate> ok
[11:19] <manusate> tnx
[11:19] <ogra> altan: never seen this...are you on warty ?
[11:20] <altan> ogra: yes
[11:20] <ogra> ryan: hotplug cares for the sound
[11:20] <altan> and it only appears to be with the ubuntu web site
[11:20] <altan> I've downloaded 50+ MB things with no problem
[11:20] <Acridien> ogra: why do I have a floppy and floppy0 also ?!?
[11:20] <ogra> altan: looks more like a prob with the net, then synaptic
[11:20] <ryan> ogra: ah
[11:21] <altan> but Synaptic/apt and Ubuntu's web site (primary ISO mirror) seem to be too touchy about their standards
[11:21] <ryan> i want to tell it to use the nforce driver which has hardware mixing instead of the default :/
[11:21] <altan> ogra: it's just with the ubuntu primary servers, I'm quite sure
[11:21] <altan> are there no mirrors for ubuntu apt-updates?
[11:21] <altan> some more information: I am on dialup, in Istanbul Turkey
[11:21] <kent> altan, there are several mirrors.
[11:21] <ryan> hey ubuntu uses udev?
[11:22] <jdub> yes
[11:22] <kent> ryan, yes.
[11:22] <ryan> cool
[11:22] <altan> kent: for the ISO or actual mirrors?
[11:22] <altan> for apt?
[11:22] <ogra> altan: dunno if they are package mirrors too: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive/
[11:23] <ogra> altan: hmm, but looks like....try one of them
[11:23] <defendguin> is anyone using NetworkManager in ubuntu?
[11:23] <altan> ogra: I think I temporarily fixed the problem by leaving a window to ping google.com
[11:23] <altan> actually I'm not sure if it's a good idea
[11:24] <ogra> defendguin: not supported yet afaik
[11:24] <ogra> altan: why ?
[11:24] <altan> does ping generate enough traffic that I could be banned from google or something?
[11:24] <defendguin> ogra, i didnt ask if it was supported
[11:24] <defendguin> ;)
[11:24] <altan> ogra: I don't want to risk it now, it's working fast
[11:24] <ogra> defendguin: we had someone here today who tried it, didnt work
[11:25] <defendguin> ogra, yeah its being a pain still
[11:25] <altan> bbl, watching a movie as it updates
[11:25] <defendguin> but at least its not crashing
[11:25] <Mestapheles> hi
[11:27] <Mestapheles> guys what's with this, "We make a specific exception for some "drivers" which are only available in binary form, without which many computers will not complete the Ubuntu installation. We place these in restricted section of your system which makes them trivial to remove if you do not need them", from Ubuntu's philosophy page?
[11:27] <Mestapheles> I've never heard about this being a necesity on any platform, and what archetecture does this hit?
[11:29] <jdub> Mestapheles: there are heaps of binary-only drivers and firmware
[11:29] <Striss> Does anybody know if theres an X-Chat applet for gnome that notifies you when you get a msg?
[11:30] <altan> Why are the packages on security.ubuntu.com different?
[11:30] <ryan> ogra: are you really skinny
[11:30] <ogra> ??
[11:30] <ryan> [14:24]  * ogra has to eat now...GF gets angry otherwise
[11:31] <ogra> nope: [23:25]  * ogra has to eat now...GF gets angry otherwise
[11:31] <ryan> :p
[11:31] <kent> altan, maybe because they are security updates? just guessing though..
[11:32] <ogra> my lunch ;)
[11:32] <ogra> so yes, probably
 altan: dunno if they are package mirrors too: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive/ <--- oh jesus, no, this is nauseatingly frustrating. I can't access a list of possible mirrors because the primary site hosts the list.
[11:43] <jcole> would i use nerim.net to add mplayer support in ubuntu?
[11:43] <jdub> mplayer is in multiverse
[11:45] <visor> hi people how you doing?
[11:46] <jcole> jdub: what? are you saying nerim.net mplayer debs "integrate universally"  between various debian based distros?
[11:48] <tras> hello
[11:48] <klasiphyd> whats the difference between multiverse and universe
[11:49] <jcole> klasiphyd: universes as a whole in multiple dimensions?
[11:49] <tras> hello
[11:49] <dredg> a few letters
[11:49] <visor> haha
[11:50] <topyli> i forget who recommended mpd for a music player but i owe him/her a pint!
[11:50] <dredg> ogra: not personally
[11:50] <jcole> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse
[11:50] <ogra> universe keeps the nonsupported but free packages for ubuntu
[11:50] <bash> some one use x.org in ubuntu ?
[11:51] <ogra> multiverse the non-free stuff
[11:51] <jdub> jcole: no, i'm saying that mplayer is in multiverse
[11:51] <chibifs> I'd like to. :P
[11:51] <jdub> bash: next release
[11:51] <jcole> jdub: ah, sources.list attrib
[11:51] <bash> yeas
[11:51] <jcole> sheesh
[11:51] <klasiphyd> thanks ..
[11:51] <bash> bot
[11:51] <tras> hello everybody, where can i find the kernel source for my base kernel
[11:51] <chibifs> Oh, Ubuntu is switching to xorg now? :o
[11:51] <tras> 2.6.8-1
[11:51] <bash> warty..
[11:51] <bash> jd
[11:51] <bash> jdub,
[11:51] <tras> from apt don't work :-(
[11:52] <dredg> ;)
[11:52] <ogra> jdub there sould be a link to a pratchett site anywhere in the wiki ;)
[11:52] <topyli> dredg: in a perfect, or even a reasonably sane world, everything could be in main
[11:52] <ogra> tars: look for linx- not for kernel-
[11:52] <jdub> chibifs: that was always the plan. warty used xfree86 only because we didn't have time to upgrade and test.
[11:52] <ogra> linux-
[11:52] <dredg> topyli: i meant in everyday use, not ubuntu :)
[11:53] <tras> linux
[11:53] <tras> oki i try
[11:53] <bash> when out the next release.. ?
[11:53] <topyli> dredg: yeah, i got it, but i'm slow :)
[11:53] <ogra> bash: april
[11:53] <chibifs> Good, missing Xorg was my only gripe on switching to ubuntu. :P
[11:53] <bash> oh, goo
[11:53] <bash> s
[11:53] <yfir> anyone here know much about audio ? specifically, having trouble running jackd, audiomulch, and some soft synths
[11:54] <yfir> sorry audacity, not audiomulch
[11:54] <tras> ogra, linux-header that's right?
[11:54] <ogra> tras: thts the headers... what do you need it for ?
[11:54] <ogra> +a
[11:54] <topyli> someone say "topyli", i'm testing sound :)
[11:54] <tras> ogra, for install vmware
[11:55] <tras> ogra, vmware-config.pl
[11:55] <jcole> dredg: what about perverse
[11:55] <ogra> tras: so headers should work..... install build-essential too
[11:55] <chibifs> yfir, All I can remember about jackd, is it was more problematic than it was worth.
[11:55] <yfir> that's what i'm afraid of...
[11:55] <dredg> jcole: haha, i like the way you think :)
[11:55] <tras> ogra, thanks you, i'll find it in /usr/src then?
[11:56] <jcole> is vmware workstation available in ubuntu?
[11:56] <ogra> tras: let the vmware script care ;)
[11:56] <tras> ogra, ths from a french !
[11:56] <jdub> jcole: vmware is proprietary software; you have to buy it from vmware
[11:56] <tras> thx
[11:56] <chibifs> bash - Do you know who's doing the compile? I'd like to bug them about compiling in the newer Wacom Tablet drivers. :o
[11:57] <ogra> tras: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/VMware/
[11:57] <chibifs> They're not in the x.org tree.
[11:58] <tras> ogra, yes i've seen this but my vmware don't work for the moment thx
[11:58] <ogra> k
[11:59] <tras> i can't see what i write in xchat is very bad
[11:59] <ogra> tras: i understand it ;)
[11:59] <tras> white sub white
[11:59] <ogra> you can change the settings....
[12:00] <chibifs> tras, as long as you're not relying on a script of some sort, Gaim's IRC works just fine.