[12:41] <eri> Strange question, that I was hoping that someone here could answer. I just bought a shiny new laptop, and I want to put Xubuntu on it. (I'll be back later for that) However, I don't want to just totally nuke what's on here, especially since I didn't get any CD's with it. Can anyone reccomend a way to use something like Symantec Ghost or another hard disk image program?
[12:42] <eri> ... rather, a open-source solution, or at the least free.
[12:42] <xfceubuntu> deluge bittorrent client is a simple and useable. try it!
[12:43] <xfceubuntu> http://deluge-torrent.org/
[12:44] <bigredradio> Anyone familiar with Tazix's how-to on fusesmb and Thunar? I can see shares, but only as root.
[12:44] <PuMpErNiCkLe> eri: GParted has a livecd that you can use to resize partitions.  You wouldn't have to overwrite what's currently there.
[12:47] <eri> nyeh. kay. thanks PuMpErNiCkLe
[01:31] <mattswell> if i do a command-line server instal
[01:31] <mattswell> what is the default root pass?
[01:31] <mattswell> i was never given an option to set it
[01:31] <gnomefreak> mattswell: sudo uses your user passworf
[01:32] <gnomefreak> password
[01:32] <mattswell> ok
[02:11] <linux_> hey, anyone know how to reinstall the X on xubuntu?
[02:12] <vai_ro> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[02:12] <vai_ro> witch installs xfce
[02:12] <linux_> is that a reinstall command?
[02:12] <linux_> if its not configured properly?
[02:13] <vai_ro> no
[02:13] <vai_ro> that just installs xfce
[02:13] <linux_> how do i reinstall it with apt-get?
[02:13] <vai_ro> do you have gnome installed?
[02:13] <linux_> no, xfce
[02:13] <linux_> and i want xfce, its a nice GUI
[02:13] <linux_> very light
[02:13] <vai_ro> ya i know
[02:14] <vai_ro> well if you apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop you wont have a gui
[02:14] <PuMpErNiCkLe> If you remove that, you remove only the meta-package - no actual applications.
[02:14] <linux_> i am ssh'ing to it anyway
[02:15] <linux_> so no harm if the X disappears
[02:15] <PuMpErNiCkLe> apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg will reinstall it, but what's the actual problem?
[02:15] <linux_> i can't pull up a GUI over SSH
[02:15] <vai_ro> so whats the command pumpernickle apt-get remove xubuntu?
[02:15] <linux_> using the ssh -X or -Y user@host
[02:15] <linux_> where i have tried a standard user and root
[02:15] <linux_> and my sshd_config and ssh_config are setup properly
[02:16] <PuMpErNiCkLe> vai_ro: There's no 'remove' command, per se.
[02:16] <vai_ro> oh?
[02:16] <linux_> i think reinstalling will help somehow
[02:16] <linux_> i first installed server kernel, and apt-get xfce X b/c i wanted a GUI
[02:17] <linux_> i think that somehow messed it up, or the scratched CD, which i later threw away and used online repositories
[02:18] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Yeah, a messed up cd can cause all sorts of problems.
[02:18] <linux_> i really love xubuntu, its a really nice distro
[02:19] <linux_> nope, reinstalling using that command didn't work
[02:19] <linux_> i'll be back in 30 - 45 minutes, eat time
[02:20] <DarthLappy> Xubuntu looks so Gnomey by default though :(
[02:20] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It may be a problem in -core, instead.
[02:22] <vai_ro> ya xubuntu does look gnomey
[02:22] <vai_ro> but there are diffrences
[02:22] <DarthLappy> Yes.
[02:30] <someguy> how do i go about keeping vesafb from running when i start xubuntu? my monitor doesn't support it
[02:31] <someguy> it's already listed in my blacklist-framebuffer file
[02:34] <galorin> I'm in the process of trying to recover my linux system.. kubuntu, but it might need a reinstall. All I'm using it for is mythtv, and xubuntu looks good on my other computer... should I use 6.06 or 6.10?
[02:35] <vai_ro> depends on what if you want lts or not
[02:35] <vai_ro> personally i recomend the 6.10
[02:35] <someguy> ok
[02:35] <someguy> i figured it out kind of
[02:36] <someguy> i need to tell vesa i have a flat panel
[02:36] <someguy> but i don't know how :D
[02:37] <galorin> well, with 6.06, I'd need to compile myth from source, whereas 6.10 has the latest in it's repos... but 6.06 is LTS...
[02:37] <galorin> (then again it's a 6.06 system that I'm trying to recover)
[02:38] <vai_ro> lts dosent mean much it just mean its supported for 5 years
[02:38] <vai_ro> and with xubuntu / ubuntu changes happen so fast that lts is kinda dumb in my opinion
[02:39] <galorin> Is the LTS more of a selling point for businesses then?
[02:39] <galorin> It was a udev update that put me in my current mess.
[02:41] <vai_ro> i guess i don't typically deal with stable releases i hop from beta to alpha personally
[02:41] <PuMpErNiCkLe> LTS is targetted at people buying support from Canonical.
[02:43] <galorin> Figures.  Well, I did my install before there was a 6.10 available.  I hope I don't need to reinstall... setting up RAID was a bugger
[02:44] <galorin> wish me luck.  Just re-built my raid array, and am about to reboot.
[02:44] <vai_ro> gl
[02:45] <galorin> after a quick fsck
[02:46] <someguy> what do i add to get the graphical package manager?
[02:47] <galorin> someguy, I like synaptic
[02:48] <someguy> ah
[02:48] <someguy> i found that
[02:48] <someguy> :D
[02:48] <someguy> is there a myth package?
[02:49] <galorin> in 6.10 there is.  I think it's in multiverse
[02:50] <galorin> ok, here goes nothing, restarting now...
[02:50] <someguy> ah ok
[02:50] <someguy> i added the community repo
[02:50] <someguy> and there it is
[02:50] <someguy> thanks :)
[02:51] <KorN[CM] > raid is a PITA, im having troubles with mine ):
[02:52] <someguy> this is so much easier than gentoo
[02:52] <someguy> ... :D
[02:52] <galorin> NOOO!!!!!!!!!
[02:52] <someguy> .. it keeps asking me for my edgy cd, what does it pull off of it?
[02:53] <someguy> i'm liking xfce too... it's very slim
[02:54] <someguy> and i found out what was wrong with the graphical installer
[02:55] <someguy> and several other things
[02:55] <someguy> it was detecting a video resolution that my monitor does not support
[02:55] <someguy> something like 1600x1680.. really weird
[02:55] <KorN[CM] > xfce rocks :)
[02:55] <KorN[CM] > can anypne help me with RAID please? using dmraid
[02:55] <KorN[CM] > (obviously software raid)
[03:00] <mattswell> sudomythyth
[03:00] <someguy> hmm
[03:00] <someguy> so
[03:01] <someguy> how do i set my root password :D
[03:01] <someguy> wait
[03:01] <someguy> i'm dumb
[03:01] <someguy> nm
[03:13] <bluefoxicy> XFCE 4.4 is QUITE impressive :)
[03:13] <bluefoxicy> will that be feisty or feisty+1?
[03:13] <crimsun> it's in feisty right now.
[03:13] <bluefoxicy> sweet.
[03:15] <somerville32> bluefoxicy, *Xfce ;]
[03:20] <someguy> where is "run as a different user" in xubuntu?
[03:21] <crimsun> gksu or sudo.
[03:21] <KorN[CM] > sudo as in judo ;)
[03:21] <bur[n] er> someguy: run as root user is gksudo or sudo
[03:22] <rizzo> anyone have any experience with old orinoco cards?
[03:22] <rizzo> I have no clue what I need to do to get it talking
[03:22] <someguy> alright
[03:22] <someguy> i get an error about connection to X server :0.0 refused by server
[03:26] <pieman> hellos. i'm helping my friend get on linux with xubuntu (i use gentoo myself) and i was wondering, where do you get the win32 codecs and extra? i had him add all the sources needed, just don't know what ubuntu names them as
[03:27] <somerville32> !restricted | pieman
[03:27] <ubotu> pieman: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:27] <bur[n] er> !w32codecs
[03:27] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages including w32codecs | info at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages | See !codecs for more information
[03:28] <pieman> thx
[03:32] <linux_> back
[03:35] <linux_> anyone know how to fix my permissions problem about accessing an X GUI via ssh?
[03:39] <Spasticteapot> Hello!
[03:39] <linux_> hey spasticteapot
[03:42] <Spasticteapot> linux_: Hello!
[03:43] <linux_> hey Spasticteapot, you know much about xubuntu to help with my SSH problem?
[03:43] <linux_> can't GUI anything through SSH
[03:44] <Spasticteapot> linux_: Any chance you might know some things I could do to decrease RAM usage in Xubuntu?
[03:44] <Spasticteapot> Not likely - I'm a total n00bie.
[03:44] <linux_> yes
[03:44] <linux_> keep xfce
[03:45] <linux_> disable auto services that start
[03:45] <Spasticteapot> ?
[03:45] <linux_> xfce = your GUI
[03:45] <linux_> you can use the command "top" to view your running processes
[03:45] <linux_> in terminal
[03:46] <linux_> press k when in top to kill a process
[03:46] <Spasticteapot> How do I gou about that?
[03:46] <linux_> enter the pid to kill the processes
[03:46] <linux_> ok, go to top left screen
[03:46] <linux_> left click once on the menu @ top left of screen
[03:46] <linux_> open terminal
[03:47] <linux_> then type in "top" without the quotes
[03:47] <linux_> this is everything running on your system
[03:47] <linux_> once in this program, press "k" without the quotes, and then enter the PID # of the program you wish to kill (by the way, i am a linux n00bie also)
[03:48] <linux_> everything in "[] " is the suggested value you should type in when prompted
[03:49] <linux_> welcome noalternative
[03:50] <linux_> welcome jlmc
[03:50] <noalternative> Hi
[03:51] <linux_> anyone think they can solve my ssh GUI problem? has to do with permissions accessing the X
[03:51] <j1mc> linux_, hello
[03:52] <noalternative> I am trying to install Myst III in wine and there is more than one disk to install, but I can't eject the disk in the middle of installation.
[03:52] <noalternative> is there anything I can do to change this.
[03:53] <linux_> put them on a DVD?
[03:53] <linux_> are you using the latest version of wine?
[03:53] <somerville32> decaelo, hey :)
[03:54] <noalternative> no they are on the ubusoft official game cds.
[03:54] <decaelo> Hey :)
[03:54] <noalternative> downloaded from that wine repository
[03:54] <somerville32> noalternative, unmount the cd-rom
[03:54] <noalternative> yes
[03:54] <decaelo> unmount w/sudo
[03:54] <noalternative> I tried this too but for some reason it wouldn't let me.
[03:54] <noalternative> how do you unmount from the command line?
[03:55] <somerville32> If you have any windows or terminals in that directory, it won't unmount
[03:56] <noalternative> but I had to open a terminal in that directory to use setup.exe
[03:56] <j1mc> i have been considering getting involved with the documentation project for feisty.  is it too late to get involved w/ that?
[04:04] <decaelo> If you check on the page, j1mc, it'll tell you who the head is of that project. It'd be best to ask them in an email, or perhaps post on one of their forums.
[04:04] <rizzo> where does one manage the screensaver in xfce?
[04:05] <j1mc> decaelo, thanks for that info.
[04:07] <somerville32> rizzo, Applications > Settings > Settings Manager > Screensaver
[04:07] <rizzo> ah
[04:07] <somerville32> j1mc, Hey :)
[04:07] <rizzo> somerville32: thanks
[04:07] <somerville32> j1mc, I work on Xubuntu documentation (and have svn commit access)
[04:08] <redwyrm> rizzo, is this the same rizzo from slashnet?
[04:08] <rizzo> redwyrm: I'm rarely on slashnet
[04:08] <rizzo> so I doubt it
[04:10] <redwyrm> oh
[04:11] <redwyrm> I have a bug to report
[04:12] <somerville32> !bugs
[04:12] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[04:12] <redwyrm> and I'm wondering where I would report it
[04:12] <redwyrm> ah, k
[04:14] <Spasticteapot> Does anyone know how to add additional themes to XFCE?
[04:19] <rizzo> I can't just remove mozilla-thunderbird without removing xubuntu-desktop?
[04:20] <somerville32> Spasticteapot, Just download them, decompress, and places them in ~/.themes/
[04:20] <somerville32> rizzo, No.
[04:20] <somerville32> rizzo, It's ok if you do though
[04:20] <rizzo> eh?
[04:20] <rizzo> it's ok if I remove xubuntu-desktop?
[04:21] <somerville32> Yup
[04:21] <Spasticteapot> somerville: I tried that - I can't drag the files into that folder!
[04:21] <somerville32> rizzo, Just make sure you install it again before upgrading.
[04:21] <rizzo> somerville32: that won't remove other packages, it just removes the meta package?
[04:21] <rizzo> oh
[04:21] <somerville32> rizzo, Yup.
[04:21] <rizzo> then I might as well leave it on?
[04:21] <Spasticteapot> Also, where is ~/.themes/
[04:21] <somerville32> Spasticteapot, In your home directory. You'll need to show hidden files and folders.
[04:22] <somerville32> rizzo, It is only wasting disk space so there isn't much harm
[04:22] <rizzo> why would I need to re-install it before upgrading?
[04:22] <rizzo> by "upgrading" do mean dist upgrades, or normal package upgrades
[04:22] <somerville32> rizzo, dist upgrades
[04:23] <rizzo> somerville32: alrigh thanks.  Is gxine the intended all-purpose media player?
[04:23] <somerville32> rizzo, For the time being, yes :)
[04:23] <somerville32> Feel free to install other ones though
[04:24] <rizzo> I was going to do xmms but whatever works is fine
[04:24] <rizzo> I'm setting this up for my non-techie sister-in-law
[04:24] <rizzo> just needs office/web/mp3 playing I'm sure
[04:24] <somerville32> You might install Exaile
[04:24] <somerville32> It is awesome :)
[04:24] <somerville32> (for playing music)
[04:25] <rizzo> am I right in seeing that the latest macromedia flash player in any repository is 7?
[04:25] <rizzo> I manually installed 9 from .tgz
[04:25] <somerville32> No
[04:25] <somerville32> There is 9
[04:26] <rizzo> I didn't see it when I ran a search in synaptic
[04:26] <somerville32> !restricted > rizzo
[04:26] <somerville32> See the restricted formats link
[04:26] <somerville32> Details on the wiki
[04:27] <rizzo> backports repository, eh
[04:33] <redwyrm> !restricted > redwyrm
[04:33] <redwyrm> haha, that's cool
[04:43] <rizzo> somerville32: do you pronounce it "zoobuntu" or "x-ubuntu"?
[04:43] <somerville32> I pronounce it x-ubuntu but it proper is zoobuntu
[04:45] <rizzo> I've been leaning toward zoo
[04:45] <Spasticteapot> I say the pronounciation is open-source.
[04:55] <KorN[CM] > !raid
[04:55] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[04:55] <KorN[CM] > !dmraid
[04:55] <ubotu> dmraid: Device-Mapper Software RAID support tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.9+1.0.0.rc9-2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 117 kB, installed size 460 kB
[05:01] <j1mc> somerville32, what needs the most help with xubuntu-docs?  i'm new to documentation, but would like to contribute.
[05:02] <somerville32> j1mc: There is an Xubuntu Meeting this Wednesday
[05:02] <j1mc> somer
[05:02] <somerville32> There you can speak with Luzius and fijiam7
[05:02] <j1mc> ok . . .   thanks.  what time is it at?
[05:02] <somerville32> Unfortunately I can't make this one :(
[05:02] <j1mc> or where can i find out more about the agenda?
[05:03] <somerville32> j1mc: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/677
[05:03] <somerville32> You can also visit #ubuntu-doc for assistance
[05:03] <somerville32> And there are wiki pages on how to start to contribute
[05:03] <somerville32> j1mc, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Documentation
[05:04] <j1mc> thanks, somerville32
[05:04] <somerville32> np :)
[05:04] <somerville32> And thanks for the interest!!
[05:05] <j1mc> my time zone is UTC-600, so i'm not sure if i can make the meeting either . . . will it be archived?
[05:07] <somerville32> Yup
[05:08] <somerville32> The next meeting is hosted earlier in the day
[05:08] <somerville32> at 1500UTC
[05:08] <somerville32> UTC -6 would mean that the meeting on Wednesday is at 4pm.
[05:09] <somerville32> The next meeting after that would be 9am (and is on Saturday)
[05:09] <j1mc> ah, ok.  4pm = work time for jim
[05:11] <somerville32> :)
[05:12] <somerville32> Maybe you can make the Saturday meeting then?
[05:12] <somerville32> It will be in two weeks
[05:12] <somerville32> You can also e-mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:13] <j1mc> that xubuntu-meetings page is great.  i'll try and make the saturday meeting.
[05:14] <KorN[CM] > hi can anyone help me with dmraid???
[05:14] <KorN[CM] > I've read the tuts, etc.
[05:14] <KorN[CM] > i uninstalled it/reinstalled
[05:15] <KorN[CM] > and now nothing shows in /dev/mapper
[05:15] <KorN[CM] > ):
[05:16] <naphelge> hey gang wondering if anyone is running xubuntu on a laptop with 64 megs ram? if so does it run ok with xfce?
[05:16] <Commander-Crowe> naphelge, I've ran it on 64 megs...its ok
[05:17] <naphelge> kk thanx d/loading alt atm so hope it worx
[05:17] <naphelge> just wanna do basic network shiz with it nothing intensive
[05:19] <KorN[CM] > anyone?
[05:19] <somerville32> !raid | KorN[CM]
[05:19] <ubotu> KorN[CM] : Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[05:19] <KorN[CM] > I tried that
[05:20] <somerville32> naphelge, Make sure to use the alternative cd to install
[05:20] <somerville32> naphelge, The live/desktop cd will most certainly not work ;]
[05:21] <naphelge> somerville32, thanx going alt... ummm dumbish question but looks like image is an iso so just brun to cd & will be bootable huh?
[05:22] <somerville32> naphelge, No, sorry - hehe
[05:22] <somerville32> You need to burn it as an image
[05:22] <somerville32> !iso
[05:22] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>" There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before burning. Burning .iso files: see !burn
[05:22] <somerville32> !burn | naphelge
[05:22] <ubotu> naphelge: CD/DVD Burning software: K3b (KDE), gnomebaker, serpentine, graveman Nautilus cd burner (Gnome), gtoaster, xcdroast, cdrecord (terminal-based). Burning .iso files: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[05:22] <somerville32> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[05:22] <somerville32> :)
[05:23] <Jester45|Away> !seen cellofellow
[05:23] <ubotu> I last saw cellofellow<EMAIL_ADDRESS>1d 22h 8m 27s ago, quiting: "Leaving"
[05:23] <naphelge> somerville32, kk kewls thanx looks like i got lotsa time to look seeing how throttled back my d/load speed is tonite
[05:24] <Jester45|Away> naphelge: the torrent dloades are often faSTER
[05:25] <Jester45|Away> somerville32: whats that for
[05:25] <somerville32> Jester45, Hmm?
[05:26] <Jester45> somerville32: the obove link ^^^^^
[05:26] <Jester45> above*
[05:26] <somerville32> Jester45: ... take a guess.
[05:26] <naphelge> Jester45, i tried using torrent with regular ubuntu alt before for another laptop & had a prob with those d/loads... prolly user problems but thought i would just do straight up d/load for this one
[05:31] <Jester45> ok
[05:33] <linux_> anyone know how to fix an ssh GUI auth problem?
[05:35] <somerville32> linux_, We can try :)
[05:36] <Jester45> linux_: i cant i really dont know what ssh is that much :)
[05:36] <linux_> ok
[05:36] <linux_> here is the problem
[05:37] <linux_> i try ssh -X and/or -Y user(suchasroot)@host
[05:37] <linux_> and i configured my sshd_config and ssh_config correctly
[05:37] <linux_> here is the error i get
[05:37] <Jester45> o i forgot to ask
[05:37] <Jester45> Anyone know how to change the ftp acess of vsftpd?
[05:38] <linux_> X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.
[05:38] <linux_> The application 'mousepad' lost its connection to the display :10.0;
[05:38] <linux_> most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed
[05:38] <linux_> the application.
[05:39] <Jester45> did X shutdown
[05:39] <linux_> not on the server, no
[05:39] <linux_> it never displayed over SSH, same error i get when i try to use VNC
[05:40] <linux_> any clue how to fix auth?
[05:41] <KorN[CM] > this somerville32
[05:41] <KorN[CM] > somerville32
[05:41] <KorN[CM] > Ive read the tute
[05:41] <somerville32> KorN[CM] , Awesome :)
[05:41] <KorN[CM] > however,
[05:41] <KorN[CM] > didn't help me
[05:41] <somerville32> Doh :(
[05:41] <KorN[CM] > ive read LOADS to this previously
[05:41] <KorN[CM] > i spent like 6 hours, got it working
[05:42] <KorN[CM] > ah ok ):
[05:42] <KorN[CM] > ubotu
[05:42] <KorN[CM] > do you have experience with RAIDS?
[05:43] <linux_> im back, did yall get that error i pasted above?
[05:46] <naphelge> somerville32, i'm using FC6 to burn this image & looks like from reading the page you listed...
[05:46] <naphelge> Find the downloaded ISO image in the file browser (available at Places  Home menu on top of the screen.) Right click on the ISO image file and choose Write to Disc and wait for burning to complete.
[05:46] <Commander-Crowe> hey, how would i find a freenode staff member?
[05:46] <naphelge> this is what i do in FC6 (more or less) to burn an iso... soi should be good to go?
[05:47] <somerville32> Commander-Crowe, type: /stats p
[05:47] <somerville32> !bot | KorN[CM]
[05:47] <ubotu> KorN[CM] : I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[05:48] <somerville32> naphelge, Sounds like it! :)
[05:48] <KorN[CM] > ah
[05:49] <KorN[CM] > eh this is killing me
[05:49] <KorN[CM] > damn dmraid
[05:50] <linux_> anyone that can help me with this SSH X (gui) problem?
[05:50] <naphelge> somerville32, thanx just wanted to b sher cause i had probs with reg ubuntu image burning be4
[05:50] <somerville32> linux_, Give me a second and I'll see if I can get it to work here.
[05:51] <somerville32> naphelge, Alrighty. I hope it works for you.
[05:57] <Jester45> welcome bur[n] er
[05:57] <Jester45> lol
[05:57] <Jester45> i feel stupider than normal
[05:57] <bur[n] er> drunk?
[05:57] <bur[n] er> heh
[05:58] <bur[n] er> i feel slower than usual.... i upgraded to feisty, but lost my nvidia beta driver that was for the edgy kernel :(
[05:58] <Jester45> i was wondering what was using all my bandwidth and i have gtk-gnutella open but in a diffrent workspace minimized with no panel pager
[05:59] <Jester45> i wheeled over and was like
[05:59] <Jester45> oooo
[05:59] <Jester45> hehe i im hosting...
[05:59] <Jester45> 192GB
[06:00] <Jester45> but only 3 files have been uploaded
[06:00] <linux_> (linux is still alive, thanks 4 the researching, hope its going well)
[06:06] <somerville32> linux_, Would it be possible for me to get an account on this box?
[06:09] <KorN[CM] > checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[06:09] <KorN[CM] > See `config.log' for more details.
[06:09] <KorN[CM] > can someone help me with that error?
[06:10] <bur[n] er> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[06:15] <linux_> anyone think they can fix this ssh GUI auth problem?
[06:17] <somerville32> linux_: Would it be possible for me to try?
[06:18] <linux_> you would get the same error i listed way above
[06:18] <linux_> i tried as user and root
[06:18] <KorN[CM] > burnet
[06:18] <KorN[CM] > I tried that
[06:18] <KorN[CM] > get an error:
[06:19] <KorN[CM] > The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[06:19] <KorN[CM] > build-essential: Depends: libc6-dev but it is not going to be installed or
[06:19] <KorN[CM] > libc-dev
[06:19] <KorN[CM] > Depends: g++ (>= 4:4.1.1) but it is not going to be installed
[06:19] <KorN[CM] > E: Broken packages
[06:19] <somerville32> linux_: I want to try from my box.
[06:19] <somerville32> KorN[CM] , Known issue.
[06:19] <KorN[CM] > agg
[06:19] <KorN[CM] > any workaround?
[06:19] <somerville32> " libc6 problems? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2057713"
[06:19] <somerville32> linux_, Is it possible for you to create me an account so that I can try ssh forwarding?
[06:20] <linux_> sure, one min
[06:20] <linux_> pm me
[06:21] <KorN[CM] > any workaround?
[06:21] <somerville32> See: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2057713"
[06:21] <somerville32> See: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2057713
[06:22] <somerville32> If that page doesn't have a work around, then no
[06:22] <KorN[CM] > UPDATE: A new version of this update has been released and will install correctly for all users. This notice is kept here for historical purpose, and will be unstickied in 24 hours. The updated version of the libc6 packages is "2.4-1ubuntu12.3"
[06:23] <KorN[CM] > how do I get that?
[06:24] <somerville32> You might have to wait
[06:24] <somerville32> Are you using a mirror?
[06:24] <somerville32> (for your repositories?)
[06:25] <linux_> no, not on my server i don't think i am
[06:25] <linux_> want me to copy the sources.list to your home directory so you can read?
[06:26] <somerville32> linux_: I was talking to KorN[CM]
[06:26] <linux_> oh, sorry, lol
[06:28] <KorN[CM] > somerville what did you say?
[06:30] <linux_> sudo chmod 777 /etc/ssh/ssh_config
[06:30] <linux_> im gonna use that
[06:31] <linux_> done
[06:37] <KorN[CM] > anyone know where to find repositories list on ubuntu website?
[06:38] <Mez> !source-o-matic
[06:38] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[06:42] <linux_> you can do a rm on it, it should be chmod'ed to 777
[06:48] <redwyrm> what GStreamer plugins do I need to make Serpentine work?
[06:48] <redwyrm> so I can add mp3s
[07:15] <cryosphere> hello, I think I have a broken install of xubuntu
[07:18] <KorN[CM] > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2057713
[07:18] <KorN[CM] > can someone help me with this please?
[07:23] <somerville32> I would but I'm going to bed
[07:25] <cryosphere> ok
[07:25] <cryosphere> can someone tell me how to fix a broken install of xubuntu
[07:47] <somerville32> cryosphere, Try asking on the xubuntu-users mailing list
[07:47] <somerville32> cryosphere, http://lists.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-users
[07:48] <cryosphere> ok
[10:32] <Triforce> Hello
[10:33] <TheSheep> hi Triforce
[10:33] <Triforce> I need a suggestion.
[10:33] <Triforce> I am from WiiLi
[10:33] <Triforce> An effort to create a Linux LiveCD for the Nintendo Wii
[10:34] <Triforce> I brainstormed the idea of using Xubuntu
[10:34] <Triforce> Being that it is a Debian-based distribution using XFCE (A lightweight desktop environment)
[10:34] <Triforce> The Nintendo Wii is based on a 729Mhz PPC processor with rougly 91MBs of 1T-SRAM
[10:35] <Triforce> As well as a 243Mhz ATI GPU
[10:35] <Triforce> Does Xubuntu seem like a feasible choice for the above system or could you redirect me towards a more suitable distribution?
[10:39] <TheSheep> Triforce: xubuntu is not extremely ligth on ram -- as it uses the ubuntu packages under the hood
[10:40] <TheSheep> Triforce: I gather that for a wii distribution you can remove a lot of things that (x)ubuntu has installed just in case the user ever needs it
[10:41] <Triforce> Yes well we will most likely remaster it
[10:41] <Triforce> That goes without saying
[10:42] <TheSheep> Triforce: since you're aiming for a very uniform platform, you can make a lot of optimizations
[10:42] <TheSheep> Triforce: maybe some source-based distribution, like Lunar Linux?
[10:43] <TheSheep> Triforce: I know that XFCE developers use Lunar
[10:43] <Triforce> Hm, sounds interesting.
[10:43] <Triforce> We have looked into Sugar as well.
[10:43] <Triforce> Which would be the publicity stunt of the year!
[10:43] <TheSheep> never heard of it :)
[10:43] <Triforce> Which is the OLPC desktop environment.
[10:43] <TheSheep> ah
[10:44] <TheSheep> isn't it hacked bayound recognition? :)
[10:44] <Triforce> Right now WiiLi is producing WiiMux, a software distribution ready to go live Sunday.
[10:44] <Triforce> A collection of all libraries and software needed to utilize the WiiMote on a *Nix system.
[10:45] <Triforce> Personally, this is my first endeavor like this.
[10:45] <Triforce> I just turned 18 (still in high school).
[10:45] <TheSheep> Triforce: I've heard some good things about thing clled OpenEmbedded
[10:45] <Triforce> Hm...
[10:45] <TheSheep> Triforce: it's an environment for quickly making distributions for embedded systems
[10:46] <TheSheep> Triforce: they brag with a linux distro with X and basic apps that's less than 10MB
[10:46] <Triforce> Very interesting...
[11:34] <Gromdul> Morning
[11:36] <Gromdul> I'm new to linux, and have xubuntu installed now. I am trying to access my files I have shared on another PC running windows XP
[11:38] <gabkdlly> hi Gromdul
[11:41] <totalwormage> !samba
[11:41] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[11:41] <totalwormage> :D
[11:43] <Gromdul> sweet
[11:43] <Gromdul> google was useless, I got lots of info on sharing FROM linkux to windows, but not the reverse
[11:44] <totalwormage> yeah it's a bit messy
[11:45] <totalwormage> and you really don't want to follow multiple howto's at a time :p
[12:02] <graulich> what's the command for show desktop?
[12:06] <TheSheep> graulich: alt+ctrl+d
[12:06] <TheSheep> graulich: you can change that shortcut in  settings->window manager settings->keyboard
[12:12] <graulich> why does the window manager settings for keyboard thing recognize Super_L as Super+Super_L?
[12:12] <graulich> (and how do I change it to just Super_L?)
[12:15] <TheSheep> graulich: edit the text file in which it saved the settings
[12:15] <TheSheep> graulich: it's somewhere in ~/.config/xfce4/
[12:16] <TheSheep> graulich: grep -R 'Super_L' ~/.config/xfce4/
[12:16] <TheSheep> graulich: use that command to find it
[12:30] <graulich> TheSheep: actually I finally found my shortcut themes in ~/.themes/
[12:35] <graulich> how usable is Xubuntu Feisty right now?
[12:36] <graulich> and how easy/smart would it be to install Xfce 4.4 on Edgy?
[12:40] <grazie> graulich: xfce 4.4 on edgy (outside package management) is probably not smart
[12:41] <graulich> is there any way to do it *with* package management?
[12:42] <grazie> only if you pull in the fiesty package I suppose - silly
[12:42] <graulich> so is feisty pretty usable or is it all a big pile of bugs?
[12:43] <gabkdlly> I could not get the feisty live cd to boot
[12:44] <grazie> only used the live cd myself so far (fine for me), but consensus is it's pretty good, but it is a beta
[12:45] <graulich> generally, is there anything major that's still broken?
[12:46] <grazie> I'm not in a position to comment
[12:47] <grazie> if you've got a spare partition and you want xfce 4.4...why not try it?
[12:50] <blizz> heyho
[12:51] <blizz> does ubuntu (or.. thunar) have usb mass device detection? like, plugging in cellphone/external hdd creating a new device
[12:51] <blizz> or just mount it
[12:52] <gabkdlly> when I stick my usb-mp3player in, it gets automatically mounted
[12:53] <TheSheep> gabkdlly: are you sure? it should only display the icon and nly mount it when you click on the icon...
[12:53] <blizz> does thunar do tat?
[12:53] <blizz> that
[12:54] <TheSheep> blizz: afaik it does it using HAL
[12:54] <gabkdlly> TheSheep: No, it is mounted. I can cd /media/usbdisk"
[12:54] <gabkdlly> and all my stuff is there
[12:54] <blizz> strange..
[12:55] <TheSheep> yup
[12:55] <blizz> mhm, dmesg says nothing about a usb device being plugged in :-)
[12:55] <TheSheep> gabkdlly: are you sure you don't have gnome-device-manager running in the background?
[12:56] <TheSheep> blizz: check the wiring :)
[12:56] <blizz> no /dev/sd* devices either
[12:56] <blizz> lol
[12:56] <blizz> omfg
[12:56] <blizz> im so retarded.
[12:56] <gabkdlly> TheSheep: you are right gnome-volume-manager is running
[12:56] <blizz> i got to boxes, one with crux linux (shuttle standing on the desk) and the ubuntu box (big atx case under the desk)
[12:56] <blizz> now GUESS where i plugged it in :-)
[12:56] <blizz> s/to/two/
[12:57] <TheSheep> blizz: this might pose a slight problem, yes, but it will be hopefully solved by introducing telepathy interfaces
[12:58] <blizz> i've heared they'll be included in windows vista ultimate pr0n edition via software emulation
[12:58] <blizz> ;-)
[12:58] <TheSheep> blizz: they still have some security considerations -- you know, *thinking* your password and the like
[12:58] <blizz> yeah
[12:58] <blizz> :D
[12:58] <blizz> *replugs the cord*
[01:03] <blizz> hum, dmesg reports a new usb device, but no /dev/sd* appearing. also no word from thunar
[01:04] <TheSheep> blizz: maybe the device is not recogized as storage?
[01:04] <TheSheep> blizz: what kind of device it is?
[01:04] <blizz> worked last time
[01:04] <TheSheep> ah
[01:04] <blizz> sony ericcson w810i, but it is usb mass storage compatible
[01:07] <TheSheep> blizz: I know that some phones require additional drivers for windows, and additional programs for linux to access them
[01:08] <blizz> i think i had it mounted without any special software
[02:36] <vai_ro> morning all
[02:57] <blizz> TheSheep, for most mysterious reasons, the phone is mountable now
[02:58] <TheSheep> blizz: maybe the cable has a cold connection somewhere
[02:59] <blizz> the phone has two modes, a serial mode and a usb mass storage mode
[02:59] <blizz> although i thought it was in umass mode before (when i tried it), it wasnt
[03:26] <vai_ro> are there ways to speed up xubuntu's boot times?
[03:37] <LordGamer> hi all I am a linux noob and i am just trying to get to install bitchx I have tried apt-get install bitchx sudo apt-get bitchx and also with {} around the program I am sure someone can help me with this?
[03:41] <fijam> try 'sudo apt-get install bitchx' or use synaptic
[03:41] <blizz> or how about.. sudo apt-get install irssi
[03:42] <LordGamer> synaptic instead of sudo?
[03:43] <fijam> Menu -> system -> synaptic package manager
[03:45] <LordGamer> thanks I will try synaptic after the updates are done
[03:50] <LordGamer> apt get doesnt let me install anything I get permission denied
[03:57] <fijam> LordGamer: that's why you need to put sudo before apt-get
[03:58] <fijam> with sudo you can perform administrative tasks as a normal user
[03:58] <fijam> and since ubuntu distribution has root's account disabled by default for security reasons
[03:58] <fijam> that's the only way you administer your system
[03:59] <fijam> in 'sudo apt-get install bitchx'
[03:59] <LordGamer> E Could not lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock message you know that one
[04:00] <LordGamer> I get that message
[04:00] <fijam> sudo is 'give higher permission level' apt-get is 'start a program to manage packets' install is perform a task of installation
[04:00] <fijam> are you running synaptic?
[04:00] <fijam> or other apt-related task?
[04:01] <fijam> you cannot have two applications accessing package structure at the same time
[04:01] <fijam> simply put
[04:10] <LordGamer-> sorry my internet IP Changed :@
[04:11] <LordGamer-> but my updates resumed very nice
[04:20] <Prisoner_> hello
[04:21] <Prisoner_> hello
[04:26] <LordGamer-> ok the aptget works sorta I get E: Colunt find package bitchx any ideas?
[04:26] <LordGamer-> maybe another IRC client lol
[04:31] <LordGamer-> oh I just needed a bitchx.deb lol
[04:31] <TheSheep> !info BitchX
[04:31] <ubotu> bitchx: Advanced Internet Relay Chat client. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.1-4ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1507 kB, installed size 6516 kB
[04:32] <TheSheep> LordGamer-: it's case-sensitive
[04:34] <darrend> any recommendations for viewing DVDs apart from gxine which seems to crash or complain at every opportunity
[04:34] <LordGamer-> I got it to install but how do I get it to show on the menu is there a refresh?
[04:36] <fijam> you have to create  .desktop file in  /usr/share/applications
[04:36] <fijam> afaik
[04:36] <fijam> bitchx is ncurses yeah? never used it.
[04:37] <LordGamer-> you have a better clieny?
[04:37] <LordGamer-> clients\
[04:37] <LordGamer-> bah
[04:37] <LordGamer-> lol
[04:38] <fijam> !info xchat
[04:38] <ubotu> xchat: IRC client for X similar to AmIRC. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.6.6-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 275 kB, installed size 760 kB
[04:38] <fijam> I personally use this one
[04:39] <LordGamer-> ah ok I will look fro that one
[04:40] <grazie> darrend: tried vlc?
[04:40] <darrend> grazie: no, but I will.  Thx.
[04:41] <fijam> darrend: mplayer from multiverse is pretty good
[04:41] <grazie> darrend: vlc is good as no extra codecs need to be installed
[04:42] <darrend> I'll take a look at both then, cheers
[04:57] <vai_ro> vlc is a nice player
[04:58] <LordGamer-> lol
[04:58] <LordGamer> there we go
[05:19] <superkirbyartist> I keep getting "Registration failed:timeout" errors with Ekiga!
[05:20] <superkirbyartist> Can someone help me please?
[05:20] <superkirbyartist> Anyone?
[05:20] <superkirbyartist> Hello?
[05:21] <fijam> I've never used it
[05:22] <tictacaddict> neither have I
[05:27] <blizz> can thunar handle samba sessions?
[05:28] <fijam> I doubt it
[05:28] <fijam> Feisty is going to have some more samba support
[05:29] <blizz> running feisty :)
[05:29] <fijam> pyNeighbourhood or something
[05:30] <superkirbyartist> Ekiga, ekiga, ekiga.
[05:30] <fijam> I do not know if it is actually already included
[05:30] <blizz> its not, but its in the ports
[05:31] <superkirbyartist> "Registration failed timeout" over dialup.
[05:31] <fijam> superkirbyartist: have you tried asking at #ubuntu? they might help
[05:32] <superkirbyartist> They didn't fijam.  I'm using dialup is that why I get "timeout"?
[05:32] <fijam> maybe
[05:32] <fijam> Are you running a firewall of some kind?
[05:32] <superkirbyartist> How do I make it not timeout?
[05:32] <superkirbyartist> Fijam, no.
[05:32] <superkirbyartist> I think it's open NAT.
[05:33] <fijam> ekiga is that voip stuff?
[05:33] <fijam> !info ekiga
[05:33] <blizz> "Failed to mount" -- but theres no reason to :/
[05:33] <ubotu> ekiga: H.323 and SIP compatible VOIP client. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.3-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 3582 kB, installed size 12568 kB
[05:33] <superkirbyartist> Yes, fijam.
[05:33] <fijam> and you want to run it on a dialup modem connection?
[05:33] <superkirbyartist> No NAT.
[05:33] <superkirbyartist> Yes, fijam.
[05:34] <fijam> that is... 56kbps?
[05:34] <fijam> or an ISDN/ADSL modem?
[05:34] <superkirbyartist> Yes.
[05:34] <superkirbyartist> 56kbps.
[05:35] <superkirbyartist> !myself
[05:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about myself - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:38] <fijam> that's ~6kb/s is that enough for voip?
[05:38] <superkirbyartist> I think so.
[05:38] <fijam> it's not my field, I can just guess. Maybe there is some config file to set timeout
[05:39] <fijam> maybe it's some network problem
[05:39] <fijam> maybe you have to force ekiga to use your modem interface
[05:40] <fijam> maybe you could try listening to what's actually going on on your connection with i.e tcpdump
[05:40] <superkirbyartist> I wounldn't know what that does.
[05:41] <superkirbyartist> No suitable device found.
[05:42] <Jester45> you are going to need more than dailup for voip
[05:42] <superkirbyartist> Jester45, how come?  PhoneGaim worked with dialup.  We plan to get broadband soon.
[05:42] <Jester45> standard telephones tranfer about about 9kbps plus you have the overhead of making the connection and keeping up with it
[05:42] <superkirbyartist> Jester45, timeout means "your internet is too slow"?
[05:43] <fijam> maybe echo 3600 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_conntrack_udp_timeout would help
[05:43] <fijam> maybe you want to play with iptables
[05:43] <Jester45> superkirbyartist: the only way i can think of getting it to work is lowering the quality
[05:43] <superkirbyartist> How can we do that, Jester45?
[05:43] <Jester45> superkirbyartist: not really dail should be able to make a connection but it problem cant handle the transfer rate with normal quality
[05:44] <superkirbyartist> But I get "Registration failed:Timeout".
[05:44] <Jester45> superkirbyartist: i dont know how or if you can change that if the program can change your voip provider still must accept it
[05:44] <fijam> superkirbyartist: have a look here http://ekiga.org/index.php?rub=3&pos=0&faqpage=x161.html#AEN188
[05:45] <Jester45> superkirbyartist: timeing out just mean that you couldnt reach the destination in the allotted time
[05:46] <superkirbyartist> Jester45, I give it 3200 ms, is that enough?
[05:46] <Jester45> superkirbyartist: most of the time its the server is offline or your haveing problems with connecting ot it
[05:47] <superkirbyartist> Jester45, but changing the 3200 will do anything?
[05:47] <Jester45> superkirbyartist: try a little more my http site has 1 min but you shouldnt have to go that high
[05:47] <LordGamer> anyone know a good TV capture program for Linux?
[05:47] <Jester45> superkirbyartist: im not sure its just what i think if raising it doesnt do anything then im not sure what wrong
[05:47] <Jester45> !tv
[05:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:49] <grazie> LordGamer: TvTime
[05:50] <LordGamer> thanks grazie
[05:50] <fijam> !info kino
[05:50] <ubotu> kino: Non-linear editor for Digital Video data. In component main, is extra. Version 0.90-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1093 kB, installed size 3860 kB
[05:53] <superkirbyartist> It doesn't; I keep getting timeouts.
[05:54] <superkirbyartist> I give up.
[05:54] <superkirbyartist> Do I need broadband?
[05:54] <fijam> possibly
[05:55] <superkirbyartist> Thank you anyways.
[06:38] <gop> hmm
[06:38] <gop> why am I getting this error
[06:38] <gop> hey I did this sudo chmod 600 ~/.smbcredentials then I did this sudo mount -a    but I get this "  ERROR: Unable to open credentials file!
[06:43] <TheSheep> gop: when you do 'sudo', you're user root
[06:43] <gop> I am
[06:43] <gop> hmm
[06:43] <gop> but I also do sudo mount -a
[06:45] <TheSheep> gop: but which ~ it is then?
[06:45] <TheSheep> gop: have you tried specyfying the creditentials file explicitly?
[06:46] <gop> not sure
[06:46] <gop> yea in fstab
[06:46] <gop> oh  you mean full dir
[06:46] <gop> I did something like this
[06:46] <gop> /servername/sharename  /media/mountname  smbfs  credentials=~/.smbcredentials,dmask=777,fmask=777  0  0
[06:47] <gop> in fstab
[06:47] <TheSheep> use absolute path
[06:47] <gop> /home/gop/.smbcredentials
[06:48] <gop> that where it located
[06:48] <gop> hmm
[06:48] <fijam> sudo detects users home (when the SUDO_USER variable is set), doesn't it?
[06:48] <fijam> try sudo mkdir ~/blah
[06:49] <gop> hmm even if I give chmod 600
[06:49] <gop> hmm
[06:49] <TheSheep> fijam: but mount doesn't when it reads fstab :)
[06:49] <fijam> ah, ok. You're right.
[06:50] <gop> hmm after I did full
[06:50] <gop> hmm
[06:50] <gop> it worked after I gave it aboulste path
[06:51] <gop> :~/blah$ pwd
[06:51] <gop> /home/gop/blah
[06:51] <gop> udo mkdir ~/blah
[06:51] <gop> sudo
[06:51] <gop> k it mounted
[06:52] <gop> thanks
[06:52] <frankabel> I had configured the network of my xubuntu until now using "System->Networking"... but now when I try to load that utility the following error occur "The configuration could not be loaded  You are not allowed to access the system configuration."
[06:52] <frankabel> any help?
[06:53] <TheSheep> frankabel: you upgraded from the 'proposed' repository :)
[06:53] <frankabel> no
[06:53] <TheSheep> frankabel: use 'sudo network-admin'
[06:53] <Jester45> TheSheep: i know the problem
[06:53] <TheSheep> frankabel: it will be fixed soon
[06:54] <Jester45> frankabel: the .desktop file has a line called exec you need to change it from network-admin to gksu networking-admin
[06:54] <Jester45> or...
[06:55] <Jester45> just add a gksu im not sure if its network or networking
[06:55] <frankabel> TheSheep:I ask here if the ubuntu repository is the same that xubuntu repository and the answer was yes... so actually I'm upgrading again an ubuntu repo.
[06:56] <TheSheep> frankabel: there are several ubuntu repositories, one of them is for "proposed" packages that are not tested yet
[06:56] <TheSheep> frankabel: you upgraded your system tools from that repository
[06:56] <Jester45> frankabel: the repos are the same when you have ubuntu and xubuntu that way you can get GNOME and KDE progemas with xfce without many problems
[07:01] <frankabel> Jester45: so for each app with that problem I must add an "gksu" before the command at the line "Exec"?
[07:07] <Jester45> if the need it
[07:11] <frankabel> Thanks very much to all! I just want become an guru to help another people like you!
[07:11] <Triforce> How do you install Windows Vista on a Dell Linux Computer ?

[07:21] <LordGamer> anyone know if the ATI 1900XT has a linux driver?
[07:22] <LordGamer>  ATI Proprietary Linux x86 Display Driver 8.33.6 there is that maybe?
[07:51] <LordGamer> Saved back-up to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.original-0
[07:51] <LordGamer> aticonfig: Writing to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' failed. Bad file descriptor.
[07:51] <LordGamer>     Any ideas?
[08:00] <shiningwizard> erm, anyone around? like to ask a question about xubuntu
[08:01] <Commander-Crowe> yeah
[08:01] <Commander-Crowe> shoot
[08:03] <shiningwizard> what's the current version of xfce that xubuntu uses?
[08:03] <Commander-Crowe> 6.10 uses <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:03] <Commander-Crowe> 7.04 will use the newest
[08:04] <shiningwizard> in that case, is it possible to upgrade to 4.4 manunally?
[08:04] <shiningwizard> i've an old lappy, and xp doesn't cut it, even after trimming :D
[08:04] <shiningwizard> gonna try out xubuntu
[08:05] <Commander-Crowe> yeah
[08:05] <Commander-Crowe> just install it to /usr/local
[08:05] <shiningwizard> i see. thanks :D
[08:05] <haxorjoe> I have an old IBM Aptiva that i installed Ubuntu on, it was a little laggy, so I tried Xubuntu
[08:05] <haxorjoe> it's great!
[08:06] <Commander-Crowe> nice
[08:06] <haxorjoe> my uncle always like to get the latest tech
[08:06] <haxorjoe> so he gave me that pc
[08:06] <haxorjoe> I wonder if he has an old lapto
[08:06] <haxorjoe> I'd love to use Xubutnu on the go
[08:07] <shiningwizard> that's what i thought. have been reading up on news about linux in general. that article from george ou is stupid...
[08:08] <haxorjoe> I'm starting to get into Linux myself
[08:08] <haxorjoe> Ubuntu has to be the best Linux distro
[08:09] <haxorjoe> it's really good in all the areas
[08:09] <haxorjoe> as an OS X user, maybe that's why I love it
[08:09] <haxorjoe> just because of the tight community
[08:09] <shiningwizard> yea, should be for a new user. i'm new to it myself too (as an admin)
[08:10] <haxorjoe> if Ubuntu wasn't free, I'd pay for it
[08:10] <haxorjoe> I'd love to dual-boot OS X and Ubuntu on my iBook, but sadly I don't think I can get the wireless to work :(
[08:11] <haxorjoe> at least what I read from about a year ago when I first tried to install Ubuntu on an external hd
[08:11] <haxorjoe> (I remember the installation not having a nice gnome ui)
[08:12] <shiningwizard> it seems to be possible now, at least from what i've just read... been spending 4hrs just to find a ver that fits my purposes...
[08:15] <haxorjoe> a small thing that bugs me, is the size of the menus on the top and bottom
[08:15] <haxorjoe> I know how to make them smaller
[08:16] <haxorjoe> but if I make them the right size, the icons are just dots, I wish they wouldn't have a big border around the icons
[08:17] <shiningwizard> haha, ask around. believe you will get some answers.
[08:20] <sdac_1x> hi, does recovery mode in edgy have ethernet support ?  mine does not work.
[08:20] <haxorjoe> does anyone know what the small box next to the time in the menu bar is?
[08:20] <haxorjoe> never mind, figured it out
[08:22] <sdac_1x> wow this room is really active
[08:38] <haxorjoe> yay! I my Xubuntu box on my network :D
[08:41] <haxorjoe> this may be a newbie question, but can I transfer items from my mac to the xubuntu box?
[08:47] <haxorjoe> never mind, figured it out
[09:27] <voloda> hi
[09:27] <voloda> I tried to upgrade from xubuntu 6.06 to 6.10
[09:27] <voloda> and now the icons from my desktop are gone and the right click menu doesn't work either
[09:27] <voloda> also, the kernel is still 2.6.15
[09:28] <voloda> I've just changed dapper to edgy in /etc/apt/sources.list and run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[09:29] <haxorjoe> how do I run remote desktop on xubuntu?
[09:32] <TheSheep> rdesktop hostname
[09:32] <PuMpErNiCkLe> voloda: Make that an 'apt-get dist-upgrade'.
[09:33] <naphelge> hi gang... so i installed xubuntu ok except at no time did i get asked to set root's password... now i can't login as root... any ideas what i might have missed during install/setup?
[09:34] <PuMpErNiCkLe> You didn't miss anything.  Ubuntu uses sudo instead of setting up a root account.
[09:35] <naphelge> really?
[09:35] <naphelge> y's that?
[09:35] <naphelge> so i can't su -  i guess
[09:36] <TheSheep> sudo -s <-- that's the equivalent of su
[09:36] <PuMpErNiCkLe> No, but you can do 'sudo -i' to get a root shell.
[09:36] <naphelge> i mean i always setup sudo anyways but used to being able to login as root
[09:36] <naphelge> ah okies
[09:36] <TheSheep> naphelge: you can set the root password with sudo passwd
[09:37] <voloda> PuMpErNiCkLe: OK. I
[09:37] <voloda> I've just noticed that option myself :)
[09:37] <voloda> thanks
[09:37] <PuMpErNiCkLe> np
[09:37] <naphelge> kk thanx guys now i know i feel a whole lot better L0L
[09:38] <naphelge> another question i've never used debian packages before so where best place to get quick info on yum equivalent for deb
[09:40] <grazie> naphelge: if yum is gui FC package manager, then synaptic is ubunutu equivalent
[09:41] <naphelge> kk thanx... any urls u guys suggest for getting upto speed on synaptic?
[09:42] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Wikipedia. ^^
[09:44] <grazie> PuMpErNiCkLe: What's a reasonable amount of time to wait for a bug report reponse?
[09:45] <grazie> *response
[09:46] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Depends on what it's a bug in, how severe it is, and how busy they are with other bugs.
[09:47] <grazie> I've got a no sound problem on ppc and I get the feeling nobody will look at it
[09:47] <grazie> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/81626
[09:48] <grazie> only reported it yesterday, but got no real response on the forum for about a week
[09:51] <PuMpErNiCkLe> I'd wait a few more days, then.
[09:52] <grazie> ok. just did't want to reinstall if someone wants more info
[10:03] <Powha> Is there any file search tool for xubuntu?
[10:08] <sdac_1x> anyone know how to do xfce and xubuntu backups of settings on xubuntu edgy.  basically i want to not waste time doing all the settings when i reinstall xubuntu
[10:11] <PuMpErNiCkLe> If you put /home on a separate partition, you'll be able to keep your user settings between all OS reinstallations.
[10:12] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Otherwise, make a backup of all the .* directories in your home folder to keep your settings.
[10:12] <sdac_1x> yes its on a separate partition. so everything is already saved ?
[10:12] <sdac_1x> does this include stuff like xfce themes and applets i've added and such
[10:14] <sdac_1x> wait so when i reinstall i simply select to mount my existing home partition as my new home.  but then do i create a user with my old username or will that overwrite my files ?
[10:15] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It shouldn't - I've done that before.
[10:15] <PuMpErNiCkLe> If you've added your themes to your personal themes dir instead of the system-wide one, you'll still have them.
[10:16] <sdac_1x> ok ill go ahead and use the same username.  thanks
[10:25] <naphelge> really wierd but bash commands i am used to using in RH/FC give me errors using xfce terminal with xubuntu... bash should be bash no matter the flavour of linux being run yeah?
[10:27] <TheSheep> naphelge: what commands in particular?
[10:27] <naphelge> sudo iptables-restore < /var/lib/iptables/iptables.cfg
[10:28] <naphelge> plus trying to setup alias' in .bashrc & i get errors on them all
[10:28] <naphelge> same alias i always setup on new install
[10:28] <TheSheep> naphelge: first of all, that is not a bash command -- it's all external programs
[10:29] <TheSheep> naphelge: second, xubuntu is based on debian, which has a different directory structure than all other linuces, so the path you gave for iptables.cfg is probably not valid
[10:30] <TheSheep> naphelge: third, you might be missing some of the external programs you're trying to use
[10:30] <naphelge> i created my config file in /var/lib/iptables dir i created
[10:30] <TheSheep> they don't have to be installed all by default
[10:30] <naphelge> ah wow okies
[10:31] <naphelge> but iptables is installed... i can like sudo iptable -L ok & u get the default ruleset for new install
[10:31] <TheSheep> is iptables-restore available?
[10:32] <TheSheep> type 'which iptables-restore'
[10:32] <naphelge> y wouldn't alis lsl'ls -l' work when put into .bashrc?
[10:32] <naphelge> er alias even
[10:32] <TheSheep> alias lsl='ls -l'
[10:32] <naphelge> yeah just typo here have it right in my .bashrc
[10:32] <TheSheep> works for me
[10:33] <naphelge> yeah wierd blows my mind why it pukes back an error
[10:33] <naphelge> pretty basic stuff
[10:33] <TheSheep> what error exactly?
[10:33] <naphelge> which iptables-restore
[10:33] <naphelge> /sbin/iptables-restore
[10:34] <naphelge> so restore comman in /sbin ok
[10:34] <TheSheep> naphelge: maybe usage is different?
[10:34] <TheSheep> what errors do you actually get?
[10:38] <naphelge> after i put in alias' in my .bashrc file i get this when starting new terminal...
[10:38] <naphelge> bash: alias: dpkg: not found
[10:38] <naphelge> bash: alias: -i: not found
[10:38] <naphelge> bash: alias: -cvjf: not found
[10:38] <naphelge> bash: alias: -cvzf: not found
[10:38] <naphelge> bash: alias: -cvf: not found
[10:38] <naphelge> bash: alias: -i: not found
[10:38] <naphelge> bash: alias: apt-get: not found
[10:38] <naphelge> bash: alias: remove: not found
[10:38] <cheatersrealm> uh
[10:38] <naphelge> bash: alias: -i: not found
[10:38] <naphelge> bash: alias: search: not found
[10:38] <naphelge> bash: alias: leafpad: not found
[10:38] <naphelge> bash: alias: /etc/apt/sources.list: not found
[10:38] <naphelge> bash: alias: mousepad: not found
[10:38] <cheatersrealm> !pastebin
[10:38] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:38] <naphelge> bash: alias: apt-get: not found
[10:38] <naphelge> bash: alias: update: not found
[10:38] <naphelge> bash: alias: apt-get: not found
[10:38] <naphelge> bash: alias: upgrade: not found
[10:38] <naphelge> bash: alias: -xvjf: not found
[10:38] <naphelge> bash: alias: -xvzf: not found
[10:38] <naphelge> bash: alias: -xvf: not found
[10:38] <naphelge> bash: alias: leafpad: not found
[10:38] <naphelge> bash: alias: /etc/X11/xorg.conf: not found
[10:38] <naphelge> jikes sorry bout that
[10:39] <TheSheep> looks like you forgot a quote somewhere
[10:39] <TheSheep> naphelge: pastebin your bashrc
[10:40] <cheatersrealm> I should use the cups web interface for adding printers (remote, cups) correct?
[10:40] <TheSheep> cheatersrealm: no, there is a gui client
[10:40] <TheSheep> cheatersrealm: forgot the name, should be installed by default
[10:40] <cheatersrealm> applications->settings->printing?
[10:41] <TheSheep> yes
[10:41] <cheatersrealm> how do I add a printer from a server?
[10:41] <cheatersrealm> the 'goto server' thing doesn't really work
[10:45] <naphelge> TheSheep, http://pastebin.ca/330404 is the url for the pastebin of my .bashrc file
[10:49] <PuMpErNiCkLe> naphelge: line 80 is missing a '
[10:52] <naphelge> pumpernickle, thanx that cleaned up about half of my errors... guess i better go back over my other alias' a lil more carefully
[11:08] <silvertip257> I've lost my xfce panel again & would like to recover it, but all I can find is the terminal, which closes the panel after I exit it
[11:08] <cellofellow> I have a question. Is there a way to do something similar to nice for bandwidth? I'd like to tell aptitude to use less bandwidth
[11:08] <cellofellow> silvertip257: alt+f2
[11:08] <cellofellow> :)
[11:09] <cellofellow> will niceing a process make it use less bandwidth?
[11:10] <silvertip257> thanks cellofellow
[11:10] <cellofellow> :)
[11:10] <silvertip257> what about bandwidth ?
[11:10] <cellofellow> I want to make aptitude use less bandwidth so my dad can surf without getting mad.
[11:10] <silvertip257> woohoo the run box !!!!
[11:10] <silvertip257> ah
[11:10] <silvertip257> aptitude never used that distro
[11:10] <silvertip257> or prgm
[11:11] <silvertip257> which is it a browser or distro ?
[11:11] <cellofellow> aptitude is a package manager, curses frontend to apt with extra featurs
[11:11] <cellofellow> it's included in all debian and ubuntu distros
[11:11] <bigfuzzyjesus> cellofellow, why dont you download all the repos at night and set it up on a server :)
[11:11] <cellofellow> hahaha
[11:11] <silvertip257> ohh
[11:12] <bigfuzzyjesus> cellofellow, besides using way to much space, it would be great
[11:12] <cellofellow> I have the DVD, which has most of the Main and Restricted repos
[11:12] <cellofellow> but i'm downloading something from universe
[11:12] <bigfuzzyjesus> silvertip257, ie "sudo apt-get <pogram>"
[11:12] <bigfuzzyjesus> cellofellow, what is it?
[11:13] <silvertip257> yep ok fuzzy
[11:13] <cellofellow> planet-penguin-racer
[11:13] <cellofellow> I want to see if I can get it working. Last time I tried, well, never mind.
[11:13] <silvertip257> hey cellofellow:  I'm trying to shrink my darn app bar ... it's only making my icons smaller & not the top panel
[11:14] <cellofellow> app bar? you mean the panel on the bottom?
[11:14] <silvertip257> oh no sorry the top panel
[11:14] <silvertip257> w/ apps & quicklink shortcuts
[11:14] <cellofellow> ah
[11:14] <cellofellow> right click it, and click customize panel
[11:14] <silvertip257> i'm in appearance & it only shrinks the icons
[11:14] <bigfuzzyjesus> cellofellow, i would just wait then (if he is anything like my dad)
[11:14] <silvertip257> ok yea i did customize
[11:15] <cellofellow> their's a slider or the size
[11:15] <bigfuzzyjesus> cellofellow, guess who got a bunch of free hardware from their school yesterday
[11:15] <silvertip257> it only make the icons smaller . not the panel
[11:15] <bigfuzzyjesus> its terribly outdated, but free :)
[11:15] <cellofellow> bigfuzzyjesus: my dad is nice, but he's trying to put together a powerpoint thing.
[11:15] <cellofellow> bigfuzzyjesus: server
[11:15] <cellofellow> make a server. clustered maybe
[11:16] <silvertip257> cellofellow:  it doesnt make the panel smaller
[11:16] <bigfuzzyjesus> cellofellow, i was thinking about setting it up on the network to download torrents
[11:16] <silvertip257> :(
[11:16] <cellofellow> silvertip257: it should make the panel thinner
[11:16] <silvertip257> right it doesnt
[11:16] <bigfuzzyjesus> cellofellow, either that or get like 3 more boxes and make a supercomputer
[11:16] <PuMpErNiCkLe> cellofellow: CBQ and WebCBQ can do rules-based bandwidth shaping.
[11:16] <silvertip257> just the icons
[11:16] <cellofellow> silvertip257: you want it to be not all the way accross the screen?
[11:16] <silvertip257> no
[11:16] <silvertip257> thinner
[11:16] <cellofellow> the slider should work
[11:16] <cellofellow> PuMpErNiCkLe: is that something I can use like right away?
[11:16] <bigfuzzyjesus> cellofellow, but they are so slow that it would almost equal a slow computer (like 600mhz)
[11:17] <bigfuzzyjesus> cellofellow, brb
[11:17] <silvertip257> then the icons are the size of #2 lead
[11:17] <PuMpErNiCkLe> cellofellow: No.  It's not installed by default.
[11:17] <cellofellow> PuMpErNiCkLe: sort of defeats the purpose
[11:17] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Future reference, then.
[11:18] <bigfuzzyjesus> cellofellow, check how big the package is and maybe you can dl it real quick so not to mess up your dads ppt
[11:18] <cellofellow> so, the kernel doesn't include something like that, like nice for processes, there isn't something like limit perhaps for bandwidth?
[11:18] <cellofellow> !planetpenguin-racer
[11:18] <ubotu> planetpenguin-racer: another 3D racing game featuring Tux, the Linux penguin. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.1-8 (edgy), package size 273 kB, installed size 744 kB
[11:19] <cellofellow> !planetpenguin-racer-data
[11:19] <ubotu> planetpenguin-racer-data: data files for the game PlanetPenguin Racer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.1-8 (edgy), package size 6366 kB, installed size 7824 kB
[11:19] <cellofellow> only a few megabytes. he must be surfing a lot.
[11:19] <bigfuzzyjesus> wow got to love the school computers.... pennys floating around in the case
[11:19] <silvertip257> cellofellow:  how come the slider only changes the icon size & not the panel ?
[11:20] <cellofellow> cause that's not what it
[11:20] <cellofellow> does here.
[11:20] <cellofellow> edgy or dapper?
[11:20] <silvertip257> oh?
[11:20] <silvertip257> edgy
[11:20] <cellofellow> changing the panel size, the icons will change to match
[11:21] <silvertip257> mhm
[11:21] <silvertip257> mine get really shizzy & smal
[11:21] <silvertip257> *small
[11:21] <cellofellow> shizzy?
[11:21] <silvertip257> z = t in real life
[11:21] <TheSheep> silvertip257: some controls have a minimum size -- if you reach it, the panel is not resized anymore, but the icons are
[11:22] <silvertip257> ok would that be 25 px for the XFCE panel ?
[11:22] <TheSheep> silvertip257: depends on what applets you have on it
[11:22] <cellofellow> I never use smaller than 28 myself, so I dunno
[11:22] <silvertip257> ahh
[11:22] <silvertip257> i think they are kinda big at 25 (my pref)
[11:22] <TheSheep> silvertip257: network monitor and clock tend to be pretty big
[11:22] <cellofellow> what screen size?
[11:23] <silvertip257> 1024x768
[11:23] <TheSheep> 320200? :3
[11:23] <silvertip257> idk if i can get higher than that
[11:23] <TheSheep> windows user, her
[11:23] <TheSheep> heh
[11:23] <silvertip257> haha TheSheep
[11:23] <cellofellow> silvertip257: ok, now you're small panel thing makes sense
[11:23] <silvertip257> no not winblows
[11:23] <TheSheep> silvertip257: but used to tiny fonts
[11:23] <TheSheep> silvertip257: and super small icons
[11:23] <silvertip257> oh lmao yes
[11:23] <silvertip257> good eyes <.<
[11:23] <TheSheep> that's a windows syndrome ;)
[11:24] <silvertip257> havin good eyes ?
[11:24] <silvertip257> lol
[11:24] <TheSheep> since you can't resize icons on windows without making them look ugly
[11:24] <cellofellow> bigger fonts and bigger icons and bigger screens. that's the way I like it.
[11:24] <silvertip257> oh lol
[11:24] <TheSheep> and fonts also only look good in the default size
[11:24] <cellofellow> since they are ALL the same 32x32 pixels or something
[11:24] <cellofellow> the icons
[11:24] <TheSheep> pretty boring :)
[11:25] <silvertip257> is there a way that I can make my panel be only so long on the side (left/right)
[11:25] <cellofellow> Most of the time I use SVG icons in the panel
[11:25] <silvertip257> cause it covers up my bottom panel at full length
[11:25] <TheSheep> silvertip257: right click, customize panel, normal width
[11:25] <silvertip257> yea but then it doesnt span the whole thing
[11:25] <cellofellow> that will make it only as wide as all the applets on it.
[11:25] <silvertip257> :(
[11:25] <silvertip257> ya
[11:26] <cellofellow> all my panels are like that
[11:26] <TheSheep> cellofellow: leaves you place to click the desktop :)
[11:26] <silvertip257> i dont care for that
[11:26] <cellofellow> http://mellowcellofellow.googlepages.com see
[11:26] <silvertip257> well for him yes
[11:26] <cellofellow> I still use the panel menu button. I like that better than right-clicking the desktop for the main menu.
[11:27] <TheSheep> cellofellow: too slow for me, and too small a target ;)
[11:27] <TheSheep> cellofellow: I also use the scrollwheel on the desktop to switch workspaces
[11:27] <cellofellow> right clicking the desktop is just something I'd rather use fluxbox for
[11:28] <silvertip257> hey cellofellow:  how did you get your CPU & mem box to be separate ?
[11:28] <cellofellow> I don't have a scrollwheel, so I just move my mouse to the edge of the screen and it goes to the next workspace
[11:28] <cellofellow> silvertip257: they
[11:28] <cellofellow> they're seperate panels
[11:28] <cellofellow> thei
[11:28] <silvertip257> ohhh LOL
[11:28] <cellofellow> ahhhh
[11:28] <silvertip257> i shoulda figured that
[11:28] <cellofellow> there's four total
[11:28] <silvertip257> very cool I'm gonna do that instead
[11:28] <cellofellow> the top one auto-hides
[11:28] <silvertip257> oo
[11:29] <silvertip257> hmm
[11:29] <silvertip257> cause mine is nasty big (in my opinion) right now
[11:29] <TheSheep> silvertip257: big is good, trust me :)
[11:29] <TheSheep> silvertip257: also set your font to 16pt ;)
[11:29] <silvertip257> yea i'm gonna revamp this baby
[11:29] <cellofellow> if I had 1024x768 screen, mine would be a bit smaller.
[11:30] <silvertip257> ah
[11:30] <naphelge> bbl with more questions i am sure... alias' still have me beat atm but thanx for help sofar
[11:30] <cellofellow> sometimes I use XDMCP to connect to this machine from a laptop that has 1024x768, and I end up with panels overlapping on the bottom when I get too many windows open.
[11:32] <silvertip257> guys you are right about there being a certain width
[11:32] <silvertip257> cause the new panel I added I have being 1/4 inch wide
[11:32] <silvertip257> only bc/ it's just icons
[11:33] <TheSheep> imho some applets are buggy in regard to size
[11:33] <silvertip257> lol
[11:33] <TheSheep> cellofellow: have you tried to use that svg xfce icon I made?
[11:33] <cellofellow> I use Icon Box instead of Task List.
[11:33] <TheSheep> cellofellow: it's on the wiki
[11:34] <cellofellow> I did, thankyou
[11:34] <TheSheep> :D
[11:34] <cellofellow> the Edgy one. Is there a new one for Feisty?
[11:35] <cellofellow> XFCE icon? wait, maybe not. I used the SVG version of the Edgy logo from the wiki.
[11:35] <silvertip257> TheSheep can I hve that SVG icon plz ... i saw it on cellofellow's website
[11:35] <cellofellow> no, I made the thing that said Xubuntu myself. The icon in the button is from the wiki.
[11:35] <silvertip257> oh ok w/e it doesnt matter
[11:36] <TheSheep> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Feisty?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=xubuntu-logo.svg
[11:36] <cellofellow> lol
[11:36] <silvertip257> i'm gonna work on my panels right now
[11:36] <cellofellow> gotta look at this...
[11:36] <cellofellow> sorry I said I did use it when I didn't
[11:36] <TheSheep> based on the ubuntu logo, just changed the colors
[11:36] <silvertip257> cool
[11:36] <silvertip257> i like it

[11:37] <TheSheep> :)
[11:40] <cellofellow> uggh. I try to open the artwork page on the wiki and my dad complains about internet going slow. I think we seriously need a faster internet connection
[11:41] <TheSheep> :)
[11:41] <TheSheep> cellofellow: or qos
[11:41] <cellofellow> what's qos?
[11:41] <TheSheep> quality of service
[11:42] <TheSheep> something that lets you specify how much bandwidth everyone gets
[11:42] <TheSheep> and reserve some just for you :)
[11:42] <cellofellow> only 256kbps here, so I think that's the root of the problem
[11:43] <dosnlinux> I think I found a bug in the installer
[11:43] <TheSheep> !bugs
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[11:48] <bigfuzzyjesus> cellofellow, w00t that free box has a 333mhz celeron with a 6 gb drive (it had to have been a teacher desktop, the student ones have 133mhz PII with a 4 gb drive...)
[11:49] <cellofellow> All of those are better than my server box in some way. It's 167Mhz, 32MB, 1.5GB
[11:49] <bigfuzzyjesus> cellofellow, now i have a 900mhz celeron with no HD, a 333mhz celeron with a 6gig HD, and 5 4gb HD's (and a 133mhz box in my storage room...) so.... what should i do with them all
[11:50] <cellofellow> the really slow, small ones, get them a decent monitor and keyboard and mouse and make them into thin clients
[11:50] <cellofellow> the 900Mhz one can be made into a small media center. TV and Music.
[11:52] <cellofellow> actually, you could make a server out of the 900Mhz one, all it'd need is a big HDD, and use the 133Mhz one as an MP3 player. Set up an IR remote device, and connect speakers to it. It'd play music stored on the server.
[11:53] <cellofellow> you could have 2 or three. and somehow make the clients play local CD's too.
[11:53] <cellofellow> the possibilities are really endless, actually
[11:53] <silvertip257> lol go build one & we'll see
[11:53] <cellofellow> possibilities
[11:53] <cellofellow> possible doesn'
[11:53] <cellofellow> t mean easy, does it?
[11:54] <gunny01> do any of you know what you need to type into the command line to start thunderbird?
[11:54] <cellofellow> grrrrr I keep missing the ' key
[11:54] <silvertip257> xD
[11:54] <cellofellow> thunderbird
[11:54] <cellofellow> or maybe it's mozilla-thunderbird
[11:54] <gunny01> I'm trying to make a desktop shortcut. typing 'thunderbird' doesn't work
[11:54] <cellofellow> try mozilla<tab><tab>
[11:54] <cellofellow> it will show you possible completions
[11:55] <gunny01> Cellofellow: mozilla-thunderbird works.
[11:55] <gunny01> thanks.
[11:55] <cellofellow> :D
[11:57] <bigfuzzyjesus> cellofellow, im still trying to decide, thats the problem... so many options, i just have to decide which one i want to do
[11:57] <cellofellow> yup
[11:59] <bigfuzzyjesus> ugh, i dont know... i was thinking, i am going to guatamala on a service trip in june.... (edubuntu)
[12:01] <bigfuzzyjesus> aww crap
[12:01] <bigfuzzyjesus> but they would need moniters
[12:02] <somerville32> bigfuzzyjesus, join -offtopic
[12:02] <bigfuzzyjesus> ok
[12:02] <bigfuzzyjesus> ok
[12:08] <qwehnce> after a fresh install on an old computer, after the desktop loads it kicks back to gdm
[12:10] <qwehnce> no help
[12:11] <somerville32> qwehnce, Hi :)
[12:11] <qwehnce> hi
[12:12] <qwehnce> do you know where the logs are kicked to?
[12:12] <somerville32> qwehnce, /var/log :)
[12:13] <frankabel> ho can I identify a 'proposed' repository? I ask this because all seem that I'm upgrading again an 'proposed' repo and some things don't work at all
[12:14] <qwehnce> the only error i receive is "error opening security policy file /usr/lib/xserver/SecurityPolicy
[12:14] <somerville32> frankabel, What do you mean by "identify"?
[12:14] <somerville32> frankabel, Did you enable the proposed repository?
[12:14] <IndyGunFreak> how do you change the icon for your home folder, to an icon that i downloaded?  right click/properties doesn't work like it does in Gnome
[12:15] <somerville32> IndyGunFreak, Change your theme
[12:15] <IndyGunFreak> change my theme?
[12:15] <frankabel> somerville32: I don't know... just want know i I have it enable
[12:15] <somerville32> frankabel, applications > system > software sources or look in /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:15] <somerville32> IndyGunFreak, Yes. Thats what decides what the icon is.
[12:16] <cellofellow> he just wants to be able to know what repo an update comes from before he downloads it.
[12:16] <IndyGunFreak> ok, wher edo i do that?
[12:16] <IndyGunFreak> i don't see a theme mgr in the menus
[12:16] <somerville32> Applications > Settings > User interface options
[12:16] <cellofellow> you could manually change the /usr/share/icons/<themename>/<size>/places/home.png file
[12:16] <frankabel> somerville32: ooohh yes "edgy-proposed"
[12:16] <frankabel> somerville32: thanks
[12:17] <somerville32> np :)
[12:17] <IndyGunFreak> hmm, now that might cellofellow
[12:17] <IndyGunFreak> i'll try that, hang on
[12:18] <frankabel> somerville32: now if want all the proposed packages out of my system what can I do?
[12:18] <qwehnce> after a fresh install on an old computer, after the desktop loads it kicks back to gdm
[12:18] <cellofellow> huh
[12:19] <frankabel> somerville32:I just want the versions of the packages that aren't in the proposed repo
[12:19] <somerville32> frankabel, You'd most certainly have to use some magic hackery to accomplish that
[12:20] <frankabel> somerville32::-D ok.... so is better keep on my system the proposed repo
[12:20] <cellofellow> you'd have to go about holding packages and forbidding versions and stuff.
[12:20] <somerville32> frankabel, Feel free to disable that repository
[12:20] <cellofellow> it's better to NOT have it enabled.
[12:20] <cellofellow> backports is better.
[12:21] <somerville32> frankabel, Sooner or later, tested and working versions will be uploaded to -updates
[12:21] <somerville32> cellofellow, -proposed is for testing. -backports has nothing to do with that.
[12:21] <cellofellow> neither does updates
[12:21] <cellofellow> I think
[12:22] <somerville32> Think again ;]
[12:22] <IndyGunFreak> cellofellow: where is the theme mgr in Xubuntu 6.10, Applications/Settings/Window Manager settings?
[12:22] <cellofellow> yep
[12:22] <IndyGunFreak> if thats the case, choose a theme there, then go through the folder you put above, and change the home icon to the icon i want?
[12:22] <cellofellow> No, wait
[12:22] <silvertip257> cellofellow:  do you pass out that sweet background of those hills ?
[12:22] <cellofellow> I thought you meant XFWM theme
[12:23] <IndyGunFreak> no, all i want to do, is change the icon of the home folder on m y deskto
[12:23] <cellofellow> silvertip257: I got it on one of the -look.org websites. It's called Nightfear.
[12:23] <IndyGunFreak> to one i downloaded
[12:23] <cellofellow> silvertip257: if you want a copy
[12:23] <IndyGunFreak> Gnome, i simply right click/properties, doesn't work that way with xfce
[12:23] <silvertip257> ok
[12:23] <frankabel> somerville32: yes but until that when I put "apt-get update;apt-get upgrade" with the proposed package disable the packages system will find that I have a newest versions of lots of packages installed on my system... that isn't a problem?
[12:24] <qwehnce> my computer is missing /usr/lib/xserver/SecurityPolicy
[12:24] <cellofellow> IndyGunFreak: go to Settings/User Interface Settings, click Icons, and choose the theme you want. Then go to /usr/share/icons/<themename>/scaleable/places and replace the home.svg icon (I think it's home.svg)
[12:24] <IndyGunFreak> cellofellow: ok
[12:25] <cellofellow> silvertip257: accept that file transfer. /dcc get should work
[12:25] <silvertip257> yeah i'm trying
[12:26] <cellofellow> IndyGunFreak: don't use the scaleable size if the icon you downloaded isn't SVG. If it's PNG, use whatever size it is.
[12:26] <silvertip257> cellofellow I'm gonna cancel, plz try again


[00:16] <cjwatson> Unit193: Sure, shouldn't be too hard.
[00:17] <Unit193> \o/
[00:17] <cjwatson> cyphermox: (I'm happy to do it)
[00:28] <infinity> cjwatson: Oo.  Very tempted to move all the ubuntu-core-dev seeds to git this cycle if we get germinate-update-metapackage --git
[00:30] <cjwatson> And why not.
[00:30] <infinity> Oh, except we kinda need to move everyone at once, unless you combine --bzr and --git to a new --vcs that parses the URI and DTRT.
[00:30] <infinity> So we can get platform from A and flavour from B.
[00:32] <cjwatson> infinity: Something like that might be a little saner, yes
[00:32] <cjwatson> infinity: Although moving everyone at once wouldn't actually be hard, but it's the principle of the thing
[00:35] <infinity> cjwatson: Moving everyone at once means informing them all and making sure they know how to use git, etc.
[00:35] <cjwatson> Yeah
[00:35] <infinity> cjwatson: A third option, instead of magic parsers, though, is just to keep platform mirrored realtime in bzr until everyone's moved.
[00:36] <Unit193> FWIW, I'm pretty sure Xubuntu would be very, very much OK with this.
[00:36] <cjwatson> infinity: I can probably figure out how to make it reasonably magic.
[00:37] <cjwatson> I've spent most of the last three months doing things involving making bzr and git coexist more happily. :-P
[00:37] <infinity> :)
[00:38] <cjwatson> infinity: Say, didn't we bring up the fact that gcc no longer speaking -m32 on ppc64el breaks the grub2 build?  Did that get fixed somewhere?
[00:38] <infinity> cjwatson: I thought we reverted that in gcc.  Or did it get unreverted again?
[00:39] <infinity> Hrm, sure looks like it.
[00:39] <cjwatson> Yup, neither gcc-4.9 nor gcc-5 support it in Debian unstable right now.
[00:40] <infinity> cjwatson: So, we could switch back to using a cross-compiler, but I really think having it speak -m32 is the right answer.  And I kept meaning to have an argument with upstream about the default being wrong, so doko doesn't whine that he's deviating.
[00:40] <cjwatson> Mind chasing that with doko?
[00:40] <cjwatson> I would really rather not switch back to cross-compiling.  We put so much effort into demoting that stack.
[00:40] <infinity> Hrm?  The cross compilers are all in main for other reasons.
[00:40] <cjwatson> And I don't think it's even possible in Debian.
[00:40] <infinity> And are landing in Debian any minute now.
[00:41] <infinity> But I still think -m32 for freestanding binaries makes perfect sense on ppc64el.
[00:41] <infinity> And it's a design flaw that attempts to disable ppcel entirely disable 32-bit compilation.
[00:41] <cjwatson> Well, err, OK I guess, but -mbig-endian -m32 is a sane thing, as you say.
[00:42] <cjwatson> Also it made my packaging a good deal less ugly not to have to use a cross-compiler. :-P
[00:43] <infinity> cjwatson: I'll see about bringing it up with IBM folks.  I believe the patch that broke it came from Alan.
[00:43] <cjwatson>   * Configure with --enable-targets=powerpcle-linux on ppc64el for
[00:43] <cjwatson>     backports to jessie, trusty, utopic and vivid.
[00:43] <cjwatson> So only reverted for the things I'm not using?
[00:43] <cjwatson> Or maybe I misunderstand that.
[00:44] <infinity> cjwatson: No, you read that correctly.  I think doko wanted to stick with upstream defaults for sid/wily, but understood that we relied on that feature for stables and we weren't about to fix the world to accomodate.
[00:44] <cjwatson> Ah, so that went with the upstream change.
[00:44] <infinity> cjwatson: So, I get his argument, sort of, but I think upstream is wrong.  I'll chase from both directions when I'm not quite as vacationy.
[00:45] <infinity> cjwatson: Feel free to argue with doko about the Debian/Ubuntu default before then, though. :P
[00:45] <cjwatson> Right, thanks.  I guess we can just leave grub2 in a busted state in the meantime.
[00:45] <cjwatson> (stuck in unstable/-proposed)
[00:45] <cjwatson> cyphermox: ^-
[00:46] <infinity> cjwatson: The most annoying bit is that in the thread about the patches that disabled ppcle, someone suggested just tearing out the backend if it wasn't wanted, and Alan said "oh, but I use it for testing, so I'm keeping it".
[00:46] <infinity> cjwatson: So, the same person who disabled it also doesn't disable it locally. :P
[00:49] <infinity> cjwatson: FWIW, is this method of building GRUB a Debian oddity, or is it enshrined in upstream makefiles too that powerpc64le == -mbig/-m32 for the bootloader bits?
[00:49] <infinity> cjwatson: If it was upstream, that would be a much stronger argument for the GCC default being just plain wrong.
[00:51] <infinity> (Given that some overzealous keener porter GRUB to ppc64le, which is effectively useless, it's possible the upstream makefiles do entirely the wrong thing...)
[00:51] <infinity> s/porter/ported/
[00:51] <cjwatson> infinity: Paulo sent it upstream, although I don't think it was actually applied.
[00:52] <cjwatson> Though it got a sort of ambiguous semi-ack.  It was during my mostly-burnt-out period.
[00:53] <infinity> cjwatson: "it" being big/32, or the misguided ppc64le port?
[00:53] <cjwatson> The former.
[00:56] <infinity> cjwatson: Mmkay.  Well, I'm going to buy some ice cream and continue on my quest to see how fat I can get on my vacation, but I'll put this on my "whine to IBM" list and, if I get no traction with them, me "whine to doko" list.
[00:56] <sarnold> hehe
[00:56] <infinity> s/, me/, my/
[00:56] <infinity> sarnold: Speaking of whining and IBM, they continue to ask every few weeks about the state of the messy ppc64-diag MIR.
[00:57] <sarnold> infinity: oof. tyler and jamie are going over the backlog of security team issues and they do know the ppc64-diag's dependent packages are still outstanding
[00:58] <sarnold> infinity: I havent looked over the changes in the new tarball, either; I sked for so much I'm almost scared to find out how much they changed..
[00:58] <cjwatson> infinity: Enjoy :-)
[00:58] <cjwatson> I enjoyed writing https://git.launchpad.net/germinate/commit/?id=54c933eecf57cfa10526432740cc27f7b7671446
[00:59] <infinity> sarnold: Well, I'm less concerned about them making all the changes you asked for, I know they're good for it, and more about just getting all the deps reviewed with the same level of scrutiny, so we can go with a promote-and-fix-later approach.
[01:00] <infinity> sarnold: I think you opened a lot of eyes with your first review, and shook up some of their teams. :P
[01:01] <infinity> -build
[01:01] <infinity> +/build
[01:01] <sarnold> infinity: makes sense; I'm glad they followed through on the "fix later" bit, at least in intention :)
[01:01] <infinity> cjwatson: ^-- Does gitignore anchor differently or something?
[01:01] <Unit193> cjwatson: What'd you use for the conversion?
[01:02] <cjwatson> infinity: I didn't have to add that, but it forces it to anchor at the start, yeah.  './build' would've been the equivalent in .bzrignore.
[01:03] <cjwatson> Unit193: I actually forget, I did it a little while back as a test case for LP git.  I'd either have used git-bzr or (more likely) bzr fast-export | git fast-import.
[01:03] <cjwatson> Unit193: For more complicated cases involving non-trivial surgery on merges and the like, I usually use reposurgeon.
[01:05] <Unit193> cjwatson: I've used bzr fast-export the most for this, but had to patch it for it to work correctly.  Not heard of reposurgeon, thanks.
[01:06] <wgrant> bzr fast-export has some correctness bugs that need a fair bit of work to fix.
[01:06] <cjwatson> Unit193: Yeah, likewise.
[01:06] <wgrant> We should really fix them, but I have a working version of bzr-git in the interim.
[01:06] <cjwatson> Either way, you have to put a lot of effort into getting upstream->packaging merges right, IME.
[01:07] <Unit193> wgrant: This got the basics, at least http://paste.openstack.org/show/eaeoGONThMUuJiyqtm0e
[01:07] <cjwatson> But for a native package it's not too much trouble.
[01:07] <cjwatson> For a non-native package, these days upstream is usually in git and you want to stitch your packaging history into upstream's (at least if you do full-tree VCS).
[13:27] <oliver_> if here no one think to include maintained packages in LTS distros. than we need no long term support. example gcc 4.8 old stuff, llvm with a libc++ v1 and so on. thats crazy! what meens long term??? to wait if everyone is frustated? C++11 and C++14 the new standards and must work in LTS OSes. Or not?
[13:31] <oliver_> you going in the direction from mickysoft. you start to ignore the importants of saying long term. working on newer versions of ubuntu like 14.10, 15.04 and the next longterm 16.04 LTS. what is to get a working solution in one version and not to develop on more then one version of ubuntu.
[13:32] <oliver_> people need stuff to work with. have a nice day.
[13:35] <oliver_> no one gives a answer. thats what i meen with ignoring everything whats happen around. you can't make somthing popular with this attitude !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[13:43] <s1aden> hello oliver_, sorry nobody was quick enough.  Alot of people focused on Ubuntu now work "9-5" on weekdays, it's a Saturday, and I believe in Germany Thursday was a bank holiday too... so very likely that people are away on holiday
[13:44] <s1aden> oliver_ if you hang around a little longer, or can point to a bug report for context it may be possible to get you a better answer
[13:45] <sladen> oliver_: and without a full name it's going to be hard to find you on Launchpad to follow-up
[14:26] <teward> need some guidance before I go insane.  I'm trying to write an apport hook for the nginx package so when installing/upgrading fails it also automatically pulls in information from `systemctl status nginx.service` and `journalctl -u nginx.service` to supplement the bug information.  This is due to there being three or four bugs of "Failed to install/upgrade" but no usable information on it because there's no information about *why* it failed to
[14:26] <teward> install/upgrade, just that it did, and that it needs data from systemd to try and diagnose
[14:26] <teward> anyone want to give me guidance on how to write an apport hook to achieve this?
[14:28] <teward> my next question is how to test if the hook works...
[14:28] <sladen> teward: if it's failing to upgrade it's more likely a packaging issue; in which case (and I could be wrong here), the failure hook might want to be against the cross-release upgrade script.
[14:29] <sladen> teward: if you can dump 'systemctl status nginx.service' etc to stderr it should make it as far as the system logs and be uploaded that way
[14:29] <teward> sladen: lets just say i didn't write the init script and don't have time/luxury to make it log to stderr and i've already made complaints to Debian to fix it too
[14:30] <teward> since their init/upstart/systemd scripts USED to be nice and verbose
[14:30] <teward> but they changed it and everyone is losing.
[14:30] <sladen> teward: less of blaming people, and please be civil here
[14:30] <sladen> teward: my understanding is that you came here wanting other people's time and help
[14:30] <teward> ...
[14:32] <sladen> teward: people are more likely to provide their time and help on a Sunny bank holiday weekend, if you're willing to put in your own time to.  If one "do[es]n't have time" oneself, it might be considered unfair to ask the same of others
[14:32] <teward> sladen: i fail to see where i wasn't civil.  secondly, i've gone over the init scripts before, and the bugs and attempted replication without success, which requires that these 'package install/upgrade triggered' bugs need additional information included in them.  When attempting to reproduce the installs, it does not fail to install with clean VMs, so i need additional...
[14:32] <teward> ... info added to the bug, and this has been an issue since the 15.04 release
[14:32] <teward> sladen: the problem is, that even with changes to the init scripts in the package to be more verbose and log to stderr, that information doesn't show up to the public with systemd, even when I tried such things
[14:32] <teward> and the bugs don't include that information.
[14:33] <teward> the problem still exists that the additional information needs to be queried/obtained by apport in order to attach to "Failed in install/upgrade" bugs.  Because the install fails when the service tries to start
[14:33] <sladen> teward: is there a holding bug for this  "nginx failed to install/upgrade", so that everything can be kept together in one place?
[14:34] <teward> sladen: i've had direct emails on this problem with three separate causes, but that's on an email chain, NOT any bugs, all the bugs are alarmingly data-less and can't be duped to one another without information from the posters in order to glean the cause
[14:36] <teward> sladen: these are the current ones: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1449903, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1455766, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1447294
[14:36] <sladen> teward: can we create a holding bug, and get the email contents into it.  There might be subtle information or cominality that has been overlooked
[14:36] <sladen> excellent
[14:36] <teward> sladen: i'll have to go digging for the emails...
[14:36] <teward> sladen: and i know for a fact two of the emails were "Hey, I don't want to make a public bug on this, can you help" types of bugs
[14:36] <teward> so...
[14:37] <teward> s/of bugs/of emails/
[14:38] <teward> sladen: and i know from one person who 'hijacked' 1447294 (it wasn't their bug) that their issue was using named upstream locations without IP addresses, which is a known race condition/problem at boot/service install times where it doesn't always succeed in lookups
[14:38] <sladen> it gets difficult if people don't report things.  :)
[14:38] <teward> sladen: it gets more difficult when you email them for information requests and get "apache loads first and binds" problems and "DNS lookup failed, cannot bind" problems which are unrelated to the packaging
[14:38] <teward> those're the big ones
[14:39] <teward> the third is PEBKAC and a failure to use configuration files which are actually correct, but that's less a bug and more user problems
[14:39] <teward> sladen: however, this is the...  what fourth bug on this i've seen in the past two months, and nobody's responding for reqs for info
[14:39] <teward> sladen: hence the need for me to have apport 'do the work for them'... :/
[14:39] <sladen> so reading bug #1447294, it's being suggested that it appears to be a DNS resolution issue as result of hard-coded domainname in the config files
[14:40] <teward> sladen: note the discrepancy.  Poster vs. commenter.
[14:40] <teward> sladen: that wasn't their bug
[14:40] <teward> sladen: i also commented that their problem isn't fixable, it's a known race condition between nginx vs. system, and i already emailed nginx-devel lists to try and determine if they know how to fix it or not
[14:41] <teward> sladen: but since the actual original bug has no information, well...
[14:41] <teward> that's why it's "Incomplete", not "Won't Fix" due to "No sane way to control this"
[14:42] <sladen> teward: I've marked them as dups for the moment;  all three appear to have some logs from upgrade
[14:42] <teward> sladen: which if you dig through give you bupkes
[14:43] <teward> sladen: hence my reqs for the systemd command, and my more recently discovered command of the journalctl to find nginx information
[14:43] <teward> but with nobody giving information and four bugs on this, i'd LOVE to force apport to include that information going forward
[14:43] <teward> at least in wily, perhaps Vivid if the SRU team allows the change
[14:44] <sladen> teward: would you be able to dup the the fourth one aswell.  This helps to give a better indiciation of the scale of the problem
[14:44] <teward> god i'm tired... i need coffee.
[14:44] <teward> sladen: s/four/three/, s/fourth/third/
[14:45] <teward> the bug that i keep thinking is the 4th is an ancient bug from 13.10 and needs confirmed if it still exists xD
[14:45] <sladen> teward: I think pitti might be the best placed to help; but likely won't be around until Monday
[14:45] <teward> blargh.
[14:45] <teward> no problem.
[14:45] <sladen> teward: which is why what we can do in the mean-time is consolidate everything possible into the bug report
[14:45] <teward> sladen: ack.
[14:45] <teward> sladen: and of course, tell people to actually attach information...
[14:46] <teward> triager/developer's worst problem: people don't actually attach followup information
[14:46] <teward> even when requested
[14:46]  * teward yawns.
[14:46] <sladen> teward: indeed.  And the other thing you can do from your emails is subscribe the people who have reported it privately to that bug report
[14:46] <sladen> teward: so that they can follow the discussion too, without having to file a bug report themselves
[14:46] <teward> sladen: force-of-habit from work: don't subscribe people unnecessarily.  I gave them links to it all thoug
[14:47] <teward> sladen: that way they can subscribe themselves.  That's a habit i've picked up, not necessarily a good one, but meh
[14:47] <sladen> by not subscribing them directly, you're making more work for yourself, but having to back-and-forth
[14:47]  * teward shrugs
[14:48] <sladen> so while it might seem fairly to them, you should (as you noted above) remember your time too
[14:48] <teward> mmm
[14:48] <teward> sladen: my time right now is going to go to coffee... i have been awake and beating at the nginx packaging (for 1.9.x because reasons) for three hours and had no food or coffee today... i'll be back later, probably with more questions
[14:50] <teward> (it's probably why i came off as less than civil and irritable earlier)
[14:53] <Unit193> didi<tab><tab><tab><tab> dangit, still hiding.
[17:25] <strikov> Hi guys. Is it okay that systemd-udevd gets started by upstart?


[00:17] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** bors[bot] merged [pull request #2740](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2740): Make accidentally closing a mir::Fd a compile error
[05:41] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** RAOF opened [pull request #2743](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2743): Drop server/graphics/gl_extensions_base.cpp; it's dead code
[07:02] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** RAOF opened [pull request #2744](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2744): Add core mmap-backed SHM handling... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/37ff0fa892ba672d520749e3d82e1633740a9160>)
[08:04] <Saviq> Morn'
[09:07] <alan_g[m]> Morning!
[09:14] <alan_g[m]> Saviq you mentioned you had some logic for automating updates to branches when main changes? Where is it so I can plagiarise?
[09:16] <Saviq> alan_g here: https://github.com/MirServer/ubuntu-frame-vnc/blob/main/.github/workflows/edge.yml - it's quite trivial, but does the trick
[09:16] <Saviq> If you're thinking about iot-example-graphical-snap branches, it should be a simple rebase.
[09:16] <Saviq> Whether you want it to be atomic (fail all branches in case one fails e.g. due to conflicts) is something to decide
[09:20] <alan_g[m]> Actually, this morning I was thinking of ubuntu-frame/mir-build-snap
[09:20] <alan_g[m]> (And that too should be a rebase)
[09:20] <alan_g[m]> Thanks
[09:21] <Saviq> Was thinking the same yesterday :)
[09:21] <Saviq> Could be a composite action… but not sure it's worth the indirection
[09:22] <Saviq> We could move GIT_{AUTHOR,COMMITTER}_{NAME,EMAIL} to the org environment
[09:22] <Saviq> So it doesn't have to be explicit
[09:24] <Saviq> Hmm or maybe we could not, there isn't a global environment, just secrets
[09:24] <alan_g[m]> Maybe I should let you ponder a while?
[09:24] <Saviq> Makes a bit more reason to have a shared action in e.g. MirServer/actions
[09:26] <Saviq> It would save maybe 20 lines in the workflow… will toss a coin…
[09:27] <alan_g[m]> I've simply rebased manually. You are still having design ideas
[09:41] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths edited [issue #2742](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2742): [clang] we should rework unqualified call to std::move and std::forward
[09:42] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths edited [issue #2742](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2742): [clang] we should rework unqualified call to std::move and std::forward
[09:46] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq edited [pull request #2741](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2741): ci: fix working with jammy in GitHub Actions
[09:59] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq assigned  to [pull request #2744](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2744): Add core mmap-backed SHM handling
[10:07] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq closed [pull request #2645](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2645): platform/buffer_from_wl_shm: Handle clients immediately destroying the buffer
[10:42]  * Saviq sent a code block: https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/7b65453d9ce23bd6cb6eb4cdc32ff1c727fd8a28
[10:44] <alan_g[m]> I assume "PRs welcome" 🤷
[11:56] <Saviq> Looks like we're a bit lenient on -W in Frame… Also CMake's default should be much more strict :P
[12:37] <alan_g[m]> You're welcome to fix
[12:51] <alan_g[m]> Hey, did we need egmde fixed for 22.04?
[12:52] <Saviq> We didn't, in theory, but I wanted the least changes to Mir CI for base: core22 - if we replace egmde with something else in there, fine
[12:54] <alan_g[m]> OK. Maybe someone will find time to do a miriway snap recipe before too long
[15:16] <Saviq> alan_g having worked through some of the core22 changes needed I'm starting to think we need to make "how do you _use_ the graphics-core22 interface" a part of the spec. Copy the hooks and wrappers? Make them a part? Extension?
[15:16] <Saviq> I know I've been against an extension for long, but now I'm not sure if it isn't the least bad…
[15:20] <alan_g[m]> I put references in to the examples as I didn't want to open that debate yet. But you know I have wanted to try the extension approach for a while. (Not that it is all good, but none of the approaches we've tried are either)
[15:27] <alan_g[m]> BTW you were discussing the CI failures with Chris when I joined. Do you know why the shm handling fails lxd:ubuntu-22.04:spread/build/sbuild:ubuntu_armhf?
[15:29] <Saviq> Yeah that test should be disabled on QEMU, it crashes there. And that disabling is what isn't working
[15:30] <Saviq> I.e. the define you suggested wasn't a good name any more
[15:31] <alan_g[m]> Are you blaming the name?!
[15:40] <Saviq> I'll look into it
[17:01] <Saviq> I didn't get far… wild guess is that ptest does not respect test_exclusion_filter
[17:02] <alan_g[m]> I'm hoping it will be fixed by Monday 😀
[17:03] <Saviq> Good night all o/
[18:01] <alan_g[m]> Good weekend all!
[21:54] <sophie-w> grayson-g: how did you fix your clang headers problem? I think I might be getting the same thing