[00:01] <akito3379> hello all
[00:01] <Se7en> hey
[00:02] <akito3379> is it possible to create a podcast with ubuntu studio?
[00:04] <Se7en> hm ..
[00:12] <akito3379> I take it not then?
[04:59] <sinman> not having any luck over in the #ubuntu channel about a small problem, so I was wondering if someone could help here
[05:00] <sinman> i installed ubuntu 10.04,1 live disk on my laptop, at the login screen it's not reconizing the touchpad and i can't log in because of it
[05:03] <sinman> holstein: are u there??
[05:37] <sinman> need some help with a laptop. touchpad not working on the login screen and neither is a mouse
[06:07] <holstein> sinman: hey :)
[06:08] <holstein> sinman: just the login screen?
[06:13] <sinman> holstein: yes i have no touchpad or mouse, can't login to the laptop
[06:15] <holstein> hmmm
[06:15] <holstein> when you get to the login screen
[06:15] <holstein> just start typing
[06:15] <holstein> and see if you can get in
[06:17] <sinman> done that and it did nothing
[06:18] <holstein> maybe the keyboard isnt working too?
[06:18] <holstein> sinman: i would
[06:18] <holstein> shut it down
[06:18] <holstein> unplug the power
[06:18] <holstein> take the battery out
[06:18] <holstein> let it sit with no power for a few seconds
[06:18] <holstein> put it back together
[06:18] <holstein> boot into the bios and have a look
[06:18] <sinman> k
[06:19] <holstein> that'll tell you if the keyboard is working too
[06:19] <holstein> then, if you got no love
[06:19] <holstein> try a live CD
[06:19] <holstein> sinman: is this a known good laptop?
[06:19] <sinman> everything works in windows
[06:20] <holstein> hmmm
[06:20] <sinman> i just got today from the rental center
[06:20] <holstein> what is it?
[06:20] <holstein> did you install ubuntu on it?
[06:20] <sinman> compaq preario CQ61-400WM
[06:20] <holstein> how did it run with the live CD?
[06:21]  * holstein *always* tries a live CD first
[06:21] <holstein> you can decide how much trouble its going to be
[06:21] <holstein> before you get started
[06:21] <sinman> the 32bit cd it done great, but i just try run it live from the 64bit disk after it booted the screen was black
[06:22] <holstein> some vendors just dont support linux :/
[06:22] <sinman> that i know
[06:22] <holstein> broadcom just opensourced some drivers though :)
[06:23] <holstein> sinman: did you install 32-bit? or 64?
[06:23] <sinman> 64 it has windows 7 64 in it
[06:24] <holstein> you might want to go with the 32
[06:24] <holstein> if that works well live
[06:24] <sinman> botting up with the 32 anbd take live first
[06:25] <holstein> thats how i roll
[06:25] <holstein> i make sure i can see everthing in lspci
[06:25] <holstein> and the graphics are cool
[06:26] <sinman> if the processor is a 32bit then why would dell put in a 64bit OS
[06:26] <holstein> and aplay -l and arecord -l reports what i expect
[06:26] <holstein> hmmm
[06:26] <holstein> its a compaq right?
[06:26] <sinman> yes
[06:27] <sinman> correction not dell but HP
[06:27] <holstein> probably a 64bit proc
[06:27] <holstein> i would just take the path of least resistance probably
[06:27] <holstein> if it looked like things werent going to work well
[06:27] <sinman> with this i might jast have to do that
[06:27]  * holstein cant find any info on that thing
[06:28] <holstein> CQ61 ?
[06:28] <sinman> yes i had that same problem, only could find CQ60 those has intel proc in them and the CQ61's have amd procs
[06:29] <holstein> http://www.linlap.com/wiki/hp-compaq+presario+cq61-100
[06:31] <sinman> i have the CQ61-400 and thats the one i can't find
[06:31] <holstein> sinman: does that seem like it?
[06:31] <holstein> intel proc
[06:31] <holstein> ATI ?
[06:32] <sinman> from the lspci ir look like ati video
[06:34] <holstein> i bet that one is pretty close in specs
[06:34] <sinman> yeah te hardware driver is saying ati video
[06:34] <sinman> probably except the procs, i have amd in this laptop
[06:36] <sinman> the touchpad is working fine in the live mode on the 32bit disk
[06:36] <holstein> dammit
[06:36] <holstein> i thought you said it was intel :)
[06:36] <sinman> no amd proc
[06:37] <sinman> is there a command that can tell me the type of proc
[06:38] <holstein> that is a great question
[06:42] <holstein> ah ha
[06:42] <sinman> i did a search on google the command is sudo dmidecode –t 4
[06:42] <holstein> sinman: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[06:43] <sinman> I have AMD Sempron M120 in this laptop
[06:44] <sinman> and it's 64 bit capable
[06:44] <holstein> cool
[06:45] <sinman> but on this laptop I'll just play it safe and put in the 32bit
[06:45] <sinman> i know the touchpad works in the 32bit mode
[06:45] <holstein> its going to be years til 64bit is an actual advantage
[06:45] <holstein> across the board
[06:45] <sinman> yep
[06:46] <sinman> but i'll keep the 64bit on my desktop
[06:46] <holstein> ive got one 64bit install
[06:46] <holstein> the others are 32s
[06:47] <sinman> i have couple older ubuntu installs that is 32bit they are 9.10 & <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:48] <sinman> k rebooting the laptop fonna remove the 64bit and put the 32bit in
[06:48] <holstein> :)
[07:39] <sinman> holstein: I'm back, but this time on the laptop. can't stay to long battery going dead. lol
[07:39] <holstein> AH
[07:39] <holstein> thats good right?
[07:39] <sinman> holstein: but when i plug the power cord in i lose my touchpad
[07:40] <holstein> sinman: w0w
[07:40] <sinman> so far everything is looking good except the power cord being plugin or a usb device plug in while on ubuntu, then i lose touchpad
[07:40] <holstein> that is interesting
[07:40] <sinman> yep
[07:40] <holstein> im wondering if the whole thing doesnt just lock up
[07:41] <holstein> because of the power management
[07:41] <sinman> it seem like it does and have to push the main power button to turn it off
[07:41] <sinman> I'll play around with the power management tomorrow
[07:42] <sinman> gonna log off the laptop for the night and let it charge up
[07:42] <holstein> yeah, thats plausible
[07:42] <holstein> sinman: GN :)
[08:25]  * terl3 is wandering in the terrace: Gone away for now
[14:23] <Jim-_-> hi all, I was wondering if there is a tutorial or plugin to help me remove a somewhat repetative noice from the audio of a video recording, i have some old video from a Kodak P880 that seem to have picked up a auto focus noice, also there are some that have gotten disturbed by GSM noice... anyone know any way to help?
[14:24] <terl3> audio from video focusing?
[14:24] <Jim-_-> the audio track on the video cameras footage
[14:24] <terl3> ahh
[14:26] <Blank__> doesn't sound like an easy one
[14:27] <Jim-_-> damn, what program would be the easiest program to use to manually lower the spikes?
[14:27] <Blank__> you could give gnome wave cleaner a try, but i only have experience in programs like adobe audition and izotope rx :(
[14:29] <Jim-_-> hmm, I do have CS3 master collection  adobe audition didn't come with that +
[14:29] <Jim-_-> ?
[14:29] <Jim-_-> i bought the student version and didn't install everything :0
[14:33] <Blank__> something like izotope rx would work pretty well and fixing those sorts of things, but again it's not cheap
[14:43] <Jim-_-> yeah 350 dollars was a bit much for this I think.
[16:53] <penthief> When I play a note on a midi keyboard through lmms, the note lasts forever. Am I doing something wrong?
[16:54] <penthief> Well, it only stops when I give focus to another application window!
[16:58] <holstein> penthief: interesting
[16:58] <holstein> is there a sustain device?
[16:58] <holstein> pedal or something on the controller that could be stuck?
[16:59] <penthief> No. The keyboard has a sus pedal input but I don't have one.
[16:59] <holstein> penthief: does it do this with other applications?
[16:59] <holstein> anything else routed with JACK?
[17:01] <penthief> I haven't tried other application on this install yet. Hang on while I work out how to use another app.
[17:01] <holstein> penthief: are you using JACK?
[17:04] <penthief> Yes. Just played with the connections and it seems like there is nothing unecessary connected.
[17:04] <holstein> cool
[17:05] <holstein> penthief: try yoshimi, if you have it, zynaddsubfx if not yoshimi
[17:09] <penthief> holstein: I'm going to reply on #lmms to avoid cross-posting
[17:10] <holstein> well, im just glad to hear lmms is working
[17:10] <holstein> i tried it a couple years ago
[17:11] <holstein> and it did not like JACK
[17:11] <holstein> *not that im saying its an LMMS issue
[19:10] <Jim-_-> I'm very new to this Ubuntu studio, where would I find a overview of what I just installed and what does what? :)
[19:12] <Jim-_-> ie. what program does noise reduction and what does hamburgers...
[21:19] <holstein> hey Jim-_-
[21:20] <holstein> check out http://opensourcemusician.libsyn.com/
[21:20] <holstein> and other linux musician places online
[21:20] <holstein> there are a lot of choices
[21:21] <holstein> and i would suggest thinking more like 'this is the task i want to do, how do i do that'
[21:21] <holstein> rather than 'hmmm, whats this button do'
[21:21] <holstein> ;)
[21:23] <holstein> http://www.linuxmusicians.com/
[21:29] <Jim-_-> I think you just summed up my technical learning method, and told me "NO!!" :)
[21:31] <Jim-_-> but it was genius
[21:31] <holstein> Jim-_-: hehe
[21:32] <holstein> Jim-_-: are you totally new to linux audio?
[21:32] <holstein> are you using JACK yet?
[21:32] <Jim-_-> i have done nothing as of yet.
[21:32] <Jim-_-> I read something about jack but have no idea
[21:33] <holstein> thats a pretty good place to start
[21:33] <holstein> Jim-_-: what are you planning on doing?
[21:33] <Jim-_-> I'm actually educated to be a photographer I just want to do audio and video aswell
[21:33] <holstein> MIDI ?
[21:33] <holstein> AH
[21:33] <holstein> the graphic stuff is a bit easier to get started i think
[21:33] <Jim-_-> jupp AH indeed :)
[21:33] <holstein> you dont need JACK
[21:33] <Jim-_-> but what is it ?
[21:33] <holstein> well, you dont *need* JACK anyways
[21:33] <holstein> but its awesome
[21:34] <holstein> JACK basically allows you to interface programs
[21:34] <holstein> and hardware too
[21:34] <holstein> for example
[21:34] <Jim-_-> ah ok.
[21:34] <holstein> i can plug something in to my sound device
[21:34] <holstein> route that in jack to a software effects processor
[21:35] <holstein> like rakarrack
[21:35] <holstein> and then route that to a DAW like ardour and record it
[21:35] <holstein> and/or route that to something like darkice that would allow me to stream it as well
[21:35] <holstein> online
[21:35] <holstein> there are other advantages too
[21:36] <holstein> to using JACK
[21:36] <Jim-_-> ah ok yeah that i don't need
[21:36] <holstein> usually better performance
[21:36] <Jim-_-> yet... :)
[21:36] <holstein> latency-wise
[21:36] <holstein> Jim-_-: for you, if you just want to add an effect here and there
[21:36] <holstein> to a stereo track
[21:36] <holstein> or edit
[21:36] <holstein> you might just want to look at audacity for a while
[21:37] <Jim-_-> I want to clean up audio as well as make sure the volumes are similar, does audacity do such things?
[21:38] <holstein> sure
[21:38] <holstein> its not the best tool for the job in my opinion
[21:38] <holstein> but quite easy to use
[21:38] <Jim-_-> best open source software for it?
[21:38] <holstein> and it'll acutally edit stero files very well
[21:39] <holstein> Jim-_-: i bet thats all agruable
[21:39] <holstein> BUT i use ardour
[21:39] <holstein> and do most audio editing in there
[21:39] <holstein> using JACK
[21:39] <holstein> routing to plugins that are included
[21:40] <holstein> or other software tools such as JAMin
[21:40] <holstein> or something like http://www.linuxdsp.co.uk/download/index.html
[21:40] <Jim-_-> ah ok, i'll see what I'm most comfortable with, seems i have it installed as well
[21:40] <holstein> yeah, the standard ubuntustudio meta-packages are quite common
[21:40] <holstein> as far as what you need to get the job done
[21:42] <Jim-_-> ah ok, thank you for the help.
[21:42] <holstein> anytime


[00:53] <pleia2> ok, sent off to summary writers
[06:47] <PaulW2U> 15 summaries written by our anonymous writer but many are one liners
[06:47] <PaulW2U> or don't conform to the style guidelines
[06:48] <PaulW2U> I'll leave a note to remind him/her how summaries should be written
[07:53] <PaulW2U> Quickly fixed most of them and provided an example of what we need. Back later.


[00:41] <bazhang> * bahzheng is now known as bazhang1
[00:41] <bazhang> yeah, not me
[03:19] <ahoneybun> mm
[03:19] <ahoneybun> I can talk in here.
[03:20] <ahoneybun> I can't seem to speak in -offtopic
[03:27] <valorie> which -offtopic, ahoneybun?
[03:27] <ahoneybun> ubuntu-
[03:27] <valorie> ah
[03:28] <ahoneybun> kept getting this message: [Channel] Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
[03:29] <Unit193> ahoneybun: You're good now then, you identified.
[03:29] <ahoneybun> thanks Unit193
[03:30] <Unit193> I recommend SASl.
[03:30] <ahoneybun> mm
[03:30] <ahoneybun> [404] ahoneybun #ubuntu-offtopic Cannot send to channel
[03:30] <ahoneybun> going to try something
[03:31] <ahoneybun> dis and reconnected
[09:35] <k1l_> false alarm
[09:38] <Bear__> Requesting a mute lift
[09:38] <Bear__> got a little excipted and Drone muted me for spamming... :p was just happy I wouldn't need to reinstall my VPS due to a mistake
[09:39] <k1l_> hi Bear__ that was an automatic mute by the bot due to you using too many lines and useing capslock.
[09:39] <k1l_> please try to reduce the usage of lines and dont use caps. i will remove the mute
[09:40] <Bear__> yep
[09:40] <Bear__> Was just excited
 what are emergencies?
[09:56] <bazhang> emacs install gone wrong
[09:57] <bazhang> Bear__, would you please exit the channel
[12:02] <bazhang> is there a factoid for ubuntu on windows?
[12:02] <k1l_> !ubuwin
[12:03] <k1l_> had to lookup in the database myself
[12:03] <bazhang> thanks!
[12:20] <k1l_> ok, opensorce now told me in pm what i do all wrong and how to run a channel more properly.
[16:27] <k1l> Guest_84747<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:27] <k1l> allah is doing guy, just kicked from -touch again
[18:01] <Myrtti> if you want to block them from the channel you could use<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:02] <Myrtti> which seems to be a common theme
[20:48] <Pici> !guidelines > sanou
[21:04] <k1l> i did a ban on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>in #ubuntu-touch. but we had several bans/mutes on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>on ubuntu because there is nothing good from that ip range.
[21:06] <Myrtti> it's the Guest_ that is consistent, so adding that will narrow the collateral
[21:07] <k1l> Myrtti: its just his pattern right now. that iprange got a very long record of making trouble with a lot of differen nicks and idents.
[21:08] <Myrtti> ok then.
[21:08] <k1l> shah,stein, syko, lanser, x-s4nd3r, agd_scorp, jaykay,...
[21:09] <k1l> and all his other nicks and accounts cloaked by staff.
[21:09] <ikonia> is he back again ?
[21:09] <k1l> the iprange is now the "allah is doing" spammer
[21:10] <ikonia> probably the same guy then based on how much of a jerk he is
[21:10] <Myrtti> you're talking of an ip range in Pakistan.
[21:11] <Myrtti> very probably an extremely volatile and dynamic range
[21:12] <k1l> Myrtti: please look into the bantracker for that iprange. its not just one small troll like you think it is. it was and is a massiv issue.
[21:12] <Myrtti> in where in my sentence did I say I think it's one small troll
[21:14] <ikonia> ahhh it's a pakistan block
[21:51] <valorie> same person spammed in #gsoc so it is not just an attack on *buntu
[21:52] <k1l> yes, he got killed by sigyn some times already.
 I was kicked from the German room because of my nick.
[22:07] <k1l> i just kicked him from the german channel, because his behaviour was very on the edge and his nick is the last konzentrations-camp in WW2
[22:12] <hggdh> actually, Treblinka was razed in 1943, IIRC, after a revolt of the prisioners
[22:17] <k1l> i still think that nickname is not appropriate
[22:20] <hggdh> +1, but I am biased.
[22:44] <valorie> unless that is an actual surname, I would have to agree
[23:01] <pauljw> just logged in to find i've been banned in #ubuntu, anyone able to explain?
[23:02] <k1l> pauljw: hi, what is that ip you are connecting from?
[23:03] <pauljw> hmmm, not sure, i use vpn
[23:04] <k1l> that vpn ip was used by a troll that was insulting other users. that is why this ip is banned
[23:04] <pauljw> pia, let me change vpn access point.
[23:04] <pauljw> thanks
[23:04] <k1l> and that ip is known for making spam and other issues on forums etc. so there might be more banned  services
[23:07] <pauljw> thanks for the tip, it was just the ip my vpn handed out
[23:08] <k1l> that ip is known for making issues
[23:08] <pauljw> :)
[23:08] <k1l> even on forums or email spam.
[23:09] <pauljw> no problem, was just a bit of a surprise as i try to behave myself online.
[23:09] <k1l> yeah, idiots is why we cant have nice things on the internet :X


[08:54] <mdke> Any malicious and/or unauthorized activity is strictly forbidden.
[08:54] <mdke> whoops, apologies
[12:41] <sayakb> johnc4510: ping
[23:21] <nizarus> any news about jaunty countdown ?


[02:44] <lex79> ScottK: can you look at libpoppler6 ? It's in Universe, it should be in main since libpoppler-qt4-dev depends on it and we need libpoppler-qt4-dev to build kdegraphics..
[02:46] <lex79> maybe also libpoppler-glib5
[02:50] <ScottK> lex79: Looks like it was accepted into Universe just by mistake.  We'd need Riddell or some other archive admin with shell access to fix it.
[02:50] <lex79> ok thanks
[07:10] <ScottK> Riddell: There are some kubuntu-meta binaries in New for kubuntu-mobile.  Over to you.
[12:28] <Riddell> ScottK: accepted, although do we have any indication that plasma mobile is going to get in?
[12:49] <claydoh> anyone notice this kpackagekit bug 586497 ?
[12:50] <claydoh> oops wrong one bug 595595
[13:06] <Riddell> claydoh: well yes we have, you can tell because ScottK has commented and I made a patch :)
[14:04] <Quintasan> \o
[14:26] <claydoh> Riddell: no, the second bug I listed, the security-updates one seems to be working properly I think :)
[14:44] <ScottK> Riddell: apachelogger and I have reviewed plamsa-mobile.  We're done to the nit picking stage.  It should be ready for upload soon.
[14:45] <ScottK> Riddell: The bigger question is I didn't figure out how to get one metapackage using Universe when the others don't.  It appears it will require a fair amount of change in Germinate or I entirely misunderstood the code.
[14:47] <Riddell> ScottK: mm, might be easier to just have a different source package for the mobile meta package then
[14:47] <Riddell> what did unr do when it was in universe?
[14:48] <ScottK> They had a completely different seed.
[14:48] <ScottK> They still do.
[14:48] <ScottK> I did look into a different package.
[14:49] <ScottK> The problem there is if you have a kubuntu-mobile-meta, the resulting metapackage is kubuntu-mobile-mobile.
[14:49] <ScottK> This behavior is also pretty hard coded into Germinate.
[14:50] <ScottK> I think I'll end up redoing Germinate, just not last night.
[14:51] <ScottK> I also need to talk to cjwatson about it.
[15:08] <ScottK> Riddell: If needed we could hack our way through it by running ./update twice with different update.cfg files and editing metapackage-map by hand.
[15:08] <ScottK> I'd rather avoid that though.
[15:12]  * apachelogger imagines a script doing that ^^
[15:13] <apachelogger> ScottK: I already ACK'd current plasma-mobile, you just need to give your stamp of approval and upload.
[15:13] <ScottK> Ah.  Cool.
[15:14]  * ScottK looks
[15:14] <ScottK> and yes, I imagine a script doing that too.
[15:26] <ScottK> Riddell: The chances of plasma-mobile getting in now depend entirely on the willingness of a kind archive-admin to let it in.
[15:26] <ScottK> apachelogger: Thanks for reviewing.
[15:55] <shadeslayer_> \o
[17:24] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: poke poke :)
[17:44] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: suggested bug for 10.10 ... depends on the space we have on the CD .... bug 568993
[17:46] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: also a side note about the new site,shouldnt we be using the new KDE wallpaper? and shouldnt we show devices that are running kubuntu like ubuntu.com does ?
[17:47]  * jussi cant imagine us having spare cd space.
[17:50] <jussi> Mind I had a thought - perhaps it could be good to have a nice "recommended installs" list, with simple easy way to action it - perhaps when kpackagekit starts up.
[17:54] <shadeslayer_> jussi: something like apt-url?
[17:55] <shadeslayer_> we can provide it on the site..
[17:55] <jussi> !info apt-url
[17:55] <jussi> ?
[17:55] <shadeslayer_> Something on the downloads page...
[17:55] <shadeslayer_> jussi: ubottu is borked :P
[17:55] <jussi> !info apturl
[17:55] <jussi> nope, she isnt :P
[17:55] <shadeslayer_> !info apturl-kde
[17:56] <shadeslayer_> hehe :)
[18:03]  * jussi sighs at chrome not realising there is a VLC plugin and so not playing wmv content that works in firefox :(
[18:23] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: we don't have space on the CD for more apps
[18:23] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: site feedback to ofir
[19:02]  * lex79 notes they bumped again libmarblewidget, to 0.11.0
[19:02] <lex79> http://websvn.kde.org/?view=revision&revision=1133868
[19:02] <lex79> lol
[19:56]  * ScottK hints harder at Riddell over plasma-mobile in New.
[20:14] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: also the 3 MIR's
[20:19] <ScottK> shadeslayer_: He can't approve the MIRs.
[20:19] <shadeslayer_> Really?
[20:20] <ScottK> No, there's a separate MIR approval team that does security reviews and stuff.  Once they approve it, he can promote the packages.
[20:22] <shadeslayer_> ah ok...
[20:22]  * shadeslayer_ will have to wait then :)
[20:27] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: are you free for a bit?
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> yay, agateau fixed quickaccess: http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/4416/diff/
[20:28] <ScottK> shadeslayer_: Depends.  I'm here, but doing different things.
[20:28] <shadeslayer_> w00t
[20:28] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: ok can you file a MIR against libsrtp0 ? its a build dep of libortp8 ... i dunno how i missed it
[20:29] <ScottK> shadeslayer_: MIR writing takes more focus than I can afford at the moment.
[20:29] <shadeslayer_> oh ok
[20:29] <shadeslayer_> well i can only do it after 3 days...
[20:29] <mfraz74> is anyone in here using kompare?
[20:29] <shadeslayer_> so anyone willing to take this up :)
[20:47] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1140475 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (package.cpp package.h) - API sanity for setReinstall - Remove the short description from the long description.
[21:00] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1140479 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/backend.cpp Held packages should be counted as upgradeable.
[21:46] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: great, I really missed it :)
[22:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: space is really the main reason for not having it kpartmanager on the CD, and also the main reason I do not think we should put it on it
[22:02] <apachelogger> any space that we have left for translations is good space
[22:02] <apachelogger> there is no need of trying to meet a usecase that is only valid for like 10% of the users if we can provide translations and hence increase the actual amount of users by having better/more localization
[22:04] <JontheEchidna> filters mockup: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktoplk1493-jpg.jpg
[22:06] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: building up on my genereal dislike for the kde sidebars ... that seems like an awful waste of space ;)
[22:06] <apachelogger> if this was an ad you would have to stick a couple of "discount" "special" or  "new" stickers onto the whiteness :)
[22:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: otherwise <3
[22:07] <JontheEchidna> I could make it like the kate and amarok sideways-text sidebars, that only expand once clicked :D
[22:07] <JontheEchidna> (j/k)
[22:07] <JontheEchidna> sideways text == O.o
[22:07] <apachelogger> well
[22:07] <apachelogger> I aint not have a clue
[22:08] <apachelogger> from where I stand sidebars are a UI design fail anyway, I doubt most users realize what the thing is there for and just ignore it
[22:08] <apachelogger> well, unless it is painfully obvious that it is part of the UI at large anyway
[22:09] <apachelogger> like say a category view thingy
[22:09] <apachelogger> so I dont know what to do to make sidebar thingies more useful and would generally try to avoid them ;)
[22:09] <apachelogger> <- not much help
[22:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: on a related note though ... I was wondering why the choose an action thingy is a dropdown even though there are vast amounts of space next ot it
[22:11] <JontheEchidna> you think separate pushbuttons for the available actions would be better?
[22:12] <JontheEchidna> it'd probably be a bit more obvious that way, instead of that custom combobox hax
[22:12] <JontheEchidna> (not really a combobox, but acts like one)
[22:12] <apachelogger> I do think so, yes
[22:12] <apachelogger> of course only available options
[22:13] <apachelogger> and maybe remove/delete/uninstall spaced to the right hand side as to make it visually different
[22:13] <apachelogger> or maybe the other way round, remove to the left hand side and everything else to the right
[22:13] <apachelogger> after all the review changes button is also right
[22:14] <JontheEchidna> For uninstalled packages you could have a simple single "install" button that changes to "cancel" when clicked
[22:14] <apachelogger> so assuming a regular mouse movement one would be led to believe that the dear user moves from the package view to an action button that is not remove and then either goes up to the view again or clicks review
[22:14] <JontheEchidna> Then for installed packages, you could have a dropdown box for all the different remove actions (remove purge)
[22:15] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yeah, though I was thinking about packages that are already installed
[22:15] <JontheEchidna> and then an upgrade button, if upgradeable
[22:15] <JontheEchidna> etc, etc
[22:15] <apachelogger> aighto
[22:15] <JontheEchidna> Maybe the strings should be "Mark for $ACTION" so the user doesn't think it'll happen right away?
[22:16] <apachelogger> OTOH that is a very long string for a button
[22:16] <JontheEchidna> If you were writing an app-center thing, I could see the benefit in going the ubuntu store way and have the button actually do the install
[22:16] <apachelogger> also consider that translations of that might be cosniderable longer in other languages
[22:17] <JontheEchidna> Maybe we could have a single label on the leftmost part of the window that says "Mark for:" <button> <button>
[22:17]  * apachelogger imagines that to look weird since the buttons would then sort of become part of a text line *shrug*
[22:18] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I think KDE HIG would suggest to put that in a groupbox or something instead
[22:18] <apachelogger> then again that sort of disturbes the layout in this case
[22:18] <JontheEchidna> layouting for that tab was a bitch. I had to break down and use a .ui file for that since the c++ necessary was hurting my brain
[22:18] <JontheEchidna> designer wasn't much better, though :(
[22:19] <apachelogger> this will all change with QML!
[22:19] <JontheEchidna> but I am proud to say that that is the only usage of .ui in the entire app
[22:19] <apachelogger> then our few designers can do UIs day and night and day and night ^^
[22:19] <apachelogger> oh
[22:19] <apachelogger> btw
[22:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: Filter: in the sidebar is disaligned
[22:20] <apachelogger> also it sort of fights with the menu bar for the user's attention I suppose
[22:20] <JontheEchidna> I'm gonna put a sidebar under the menu
[22:20] <JontheEchidna> er
[22:20] <JontheEchidna> a toolbar
[22:20] <JontheEchidna> with common actions like "upgrade" "check for updates" etc
[22:20] <apachelogger> we have text on the toolbars :P
[22:21] <apachelogger> also it will still be disaligned
[22:21] <JontheEchidna> It should be aligned, since it's a vertical layout. It's just that that toolbox under it is chunky
[22:21] <apachelogger> ui design is a leaf butterfly
[22:21] <JontheEchidna> dunno how to fix
[22:22] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, the combination of menubar being indented and toolbox being indented makes the filter by look way off
[22:22] <JontheEchidna> true dat
[22:22] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: maybe you should CSS theme the box ^^
[22:22] <apachelogger> make it less ugly
[22:23] <JontheEchidna> I could get rid of that label
[22:23]  * apachelogger imagines a software center clony to use CSS theming or QML (which sort of implies that anyway ;))
[22:23] <JontheEchidna> then make the section lables of the toolbox "Category filters"
[22:23] <JontheEchidna> "Status Filters"
[22:23] <apachelogger> oh
[22:23] <apachelogger> come to think of it
[22:23] <apachelogger> maybe you sould box it
[22:23] <apachelogger> the view appears as sort of boxed
[22:24] <apachelogger> and the package tab stuff also appears boxed
[22:24] <apachelogger> but the filter stuff somehow sticks out since it is not boxed
[22:25] <JontheEchidna> I could use a dockwidget (but not provide buttons to unattach or remove it. that's just silly)
[22:25] <JontheEchidna> I'm afraid of getting so many boxes that it ends up looking like this: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopkj1493-jpg.jpg
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> but a single frame around the filter stuff wouldn't be "too much", I think
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> It's just that when you put the tabwidget for packagedetails (already a box) into another box, that you get box overload
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> all hail the boxes!
[22:29] <apachelogger> well
[22:29] <apachelogger> try it :P
[22:29] <apachelogger> boxes ftw!
[22:29] <apachelogger> we are like gnome with their tabs :P
[22:30] <apachelogger> eitherway taht whole sidebar widget craps needs serious rethinkering
[22:30] <apachelogger> from a purely artistic POV it is a bit of the pukeworthy kind
[22:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://thesmithfam.org/blog/2009/09/17/qt-stylesheets-button-bar-tutorial/
[22:31] <apachelogger> stylesheets are the answer
[22:31] <apachelogger> I tell you
[22:32] <apachelogger> that entirely reminds me of
[22:32] <apachelogger> ...
[22:32] <apachelogger> http://qt.nokia.com/developer/embedded-widget-demos
[22:32] <apachelogger> all hail the CSS&SVG!
[22:36] <JontheEchidna> QToolBox looks bad in all styles v.v
[22:45] <ScottK> Riddell: plasma-mobile is in binary New now (thanks for the source New, I assume it was you).
[22:56] <Riddell> looking
[22:57] <Riddell> voila
[23:00] <ScottK> Excellent.
[23:00] <ScottK> Time to fiddle the seeds then.


[00:00] <directhex> pfft, all this modern overclocking
[00:00] <directhex> in my day, the key to overclocking was a lead pencil!
[00:01] <Azelphur> lol
[00:02] <directhex> the great thing about the athlon multiplier unlock was when they started lasering a gap between the contacts, to prevent you from drawing a connection on with a pencil. lots of guides to using superglue and two razorblades to bridge the lasered channel
[00:03] <directhex> actual solution? curved line around channel, rather than straight line through it :)
[00:04] <Azelphur> directhex, so any idea on my RAM? :P
[00:05] <directhex> all my knowledge is obsolete
[00:05] <Azelphur> :(
[05:41] <knightwise> morning everyone
[05:59] <shauno> morning?   Then asks his wife to finish him off.
[08:22] <bigcalm> o.O
[08:22] <christel> haha
[08:34] <oimon> bigcalm: me too
[08:35] <oimon> bit nervous
[08:37] <bigcalm> Wee, server reboot time
[08:39] <bigcalm> Hazar
[08:40] <bigcalm> !ping
[08:41] <bigcalm> Laaaaaaaaaaaaagy
[08:45] <Dave2> was that meant to be laggy?
[08:45] <bigcalm> No
[08:45] <bigcalm> I refuse to spel corectlly
[08:47]  * MartijnVdS calls the language cops
[08:57] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:57] <oimon> morn
[08:57] <brobostigon> morning oimon
[09:01] <oimon> how's tricks
[09:08] <oimon> how can you full-screen an rdesktop session in windows? i thought ctrl-alt-enter did it, but no :(
[09:09] <bigcalm> You might have better luck with Remmina (I know I have)
[09:10] <oimon> i like remmina a lot , but i'm dual booting my work laptop into vsphere client OS atm
[09:16] <oimon> i was just looking at the donations graph for linux mint http://www.linuxmint.com/donors.php . even more interesting is the huge spike in sponsorship this year at the around $7k permonth from 1 sponsor alone http://www.linuxmint.com/sponsors.php
[10:18]  * AlanBell wants to see more spice racks
[10:19] <knightwise> hey AlanBell how are you
[10:19] <AlanBell> hi knightwise, how is your spice rack?
[10:22] <knightwise> Depends on what you are referring to :)
[10:22] <knightwise> all our spices are in a drawer :)
[10:23] <jardag> i have installed 12.04 and there are no menus in firefox, any ideas?
[10:25] <brobostigon> jardag: move your mouse over the global menu, in the top left hand side.
[10:26] <knightwise> hey brobostigon how are you today
[10:26] <brobostigon> knightwise: my eczema feels abit painful, and itchy, otherwise fine. and you?
[10:27] <jardag> brobostigon: there is no global menu, maybe i have chosen wrong install option
[10:27] <knightwise> Doing fine. Office is starting to look like Neo's room from the matrix
[10:27] <brobostigon> knightwise: :)
[10:27] <knightwise> 2 laptops , 2 tablets , 2 phones and a lot of junk$
[10:27] <brobostigon> jardag: do you have unity, xfce, kde ?
[10:27] <knightwise> playing around with the google nexus i got yesterday
[10:28] <brobostigon> knightwise: i am trying to work out, how to root mine.
[10:28] <jardag> brobostigon: i have ubuntu 12.04 gnome
[10:29] <brobostigon> you need to turn ff's menu's backo n again, inside ff itself.
[10:31] <jardag> brobostigon: i don't know how to
[10:31] <knightwise> brobostigon: might be a dumb question , but what are the perks in rooting it ?
[10:31] <brobostigon> jardag: you should be able to right click and get a popup from one of ff's title bars.
[10:32] <brobostigon> knightwise: backups for example.
[10:32] <knightwise> "backed up apk's you want to install you mean ?
[10:33] <brobostigon> knightwise: also systems settings, etc, that kind of thing, so for example, i can go into recovery, and do a nad backup, ie, a controlled system state, so if something happens, i can just flash it back. and have a saved system state.
[10:35] <oimon> the ability to take an image of your phone/device is crucial IMO
[10:39] <directhex> wp7 forces backups on you. can't install a firmware update without it taking a backup first
[10:39] <oimon> a dd image type backup?
[10:43] <jardag> brobostigon: no menus in firefox ubuntu 12.04 amd64
[10:44] <brobostigon> jardag: am now out of ideas. sorry.
[10:45] <jardag> i thin it is a bug in the 64 bit version
[10:51] <oimon> jardag was probably missing firefox-globalmenu package
[10:54] <brobostigon> well, he did say he was using gnome, not unity. so that wouldnt have made any difference, as there is no global menu in gnome-shell/gnome3.
[10:56] <oimon> ah, didn't see that bit
[10:57] <brobostigon> [1;3C10:28:29 < jardag> brobostigon: i have ubuntu 12.04 gnome
[10:57] <brobostigon> 10:28:29 < jardag> brobostigon: i have ubuntu 12.04 gnome
[11:16] <davmor2> morning all
[11:18] <brobostigon> afternoon davmor2
[11:19] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2
[11:21]  * AlanBell hugs mysql indexes
[11:22] <AlanBell> knightwise: lets see a pic of your spice drawer http://ratemyspicerack.com/
[11:27] <knightwise> Lol AlanBell I think mine is a bit bigger
[11:28] <AlanBell> http://ratemyspicerack.com/myriamrs/ is the most extensive collection so far I think
[12:11] <bigcalm> LUNCH!
[12:12] <Pendulum> hiya
[12:13] <bigcalm> Hey :)
[12:13]  * bigcalm slithers off
[12:17] <davmor2> Pendulum: morning
[12:19] <Pendulum> davmor2: how goes?
[12:21] <davmor2> currently like waltzer round and round in circles :D
[12:25] <brobostigon> any suggestions for good android games?
[12:25] <BigRedS> Tank Hero!
[12:26] <brobostigon> BigRedS: looks interesting, i will try it.
[12:26]  * selinuxium looking up Tank Hero now...
[12:26] <selinuxium> brobostigon: Dead Space
[12:27] <brobostigon> selinuxium: let me look, also.
[12:36] <jacobw> osmus
[12:38] <oimon> x-construction
[12:42] <brobostigon> :)
[12:44] <Pendulum> davmor2: are you going through czajkowski withdrawal yet?
[12:45] <davmor2> Pendulum: Nah I was picking on christel instead but now she has gone on holiday too, I mean who picks summer to go on holiday? ;)
[12:49] <jacobw> it is quite cruel of them
[12:51] <christel> haha
[12:51] <christel> you may pick on me anytime! <3
[12:52] <davmor2> christel: See that's a challenge I just can't refuse :D  How was your flight?
[13:15] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: she was online the whole time..
[13:15] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: christel is omnipresirc
[13:25] <jacobw> what pastebin app does paste.ubuntu.com run?
[13:27]  * bigcalm slithers in
[13:28] <davmor2> bigcalm: how many big snakes are there in you area
[13:29] <bigcalm> Just me
[13:30] <davmor2> you're a big snake man you keep that quite at the coworking zap session yesterday
[13:31] <bigcalm> Hissss
[13:31] <bigcalm> Zap session?
[13:35] <davmor2> bigcalm: zap, zap, zap, zap, zap, zap, zap, zap, zap, zap, zap, zap, zap, zap, zap.  Man did Tia curse you with memory lose :D
[13:35] <bigcalm> Oh goodness. I had blocked that from my memory
[13:37] <bigcalm> The dangers of working in public places
[13:38] <bigcalm> Still more than 3 hours to the weekend
[13:38]  * bigcalm grumbles
[13:40] <Azelphur> Does anyone know what the law is that entitles you to return windows?
[13:42] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: TIAs do have that effect.. memory loss.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transient_ischemic_attack
[13:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> Azelphur: Try the Consumer Protection Act I think. There is/was also something from the EU a while ago that talks about "bundling" being bad.
[13:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hang on - I may have some old blog posts about this...
[13:48] <Azelphur> TheOpenSourcerer: hi :), yea I've been reading your blog posts on this :D
[13:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oh OK.
[13:48] <Azelphur> TheOpenSourcerer: feel free to look though maybe there's something I missed
[13:49] <Azelphur> TheOpenSourcerer: I noticed you had success with Amazon too, I kinda dread going through lenovo (seems bad), but the EULA on win7 has changed and it specifically says take it to the manufacturer/installer now
[13:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yes - the Win7 EULA makes it much harder to get a refund.
[13:49] <Azelphur> indeed :(
[13:50] <Azelphur> I'm hoping that I can just send them a video of the entire process, from breaking the seals on the box to wiping the HDD
[13:50] <Azelphur> without having to ship it back \o/
[13:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> "The Sale and Supply of Goods to Consumers Regulations 2002 requires that the retailer replace the faulty item, or if that is impossible provide you with a refund. The Sale of Goods Act gives you the right to partially reject items. Essentially you assert your ’statutory rights’. "
[13:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> In this one: http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2009/08/pressure-mounts-on-windows-tax/
[13:52] <Azelphur> fun
[13:52] <Azelphur> so the main bit with that I'm interested in is partially rejecting items
[13:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> If the retailer is awkward, then the way to a refund is avoid the trap of following the instructions in the EULA. Instead you request that the retailer replace the software with a version that isn’t ‘faulty’ (ie doesn’t have the additional terms and conditions imposed). You didn’t agree to them when you purchased the item and therefore they don’t form part of the contract of sale with the retailer.
[13:53] <Azelphur> haha, so get them to replace win7 with winxp then refund that? XD
[13:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> This is the key. When you buy the PC you do not agree to the EULA.
[13:53] <Azelphur> yea
[13:53] <Azelphur> I havn't even opened the box
[13:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> It isn't part of the deal.
[13:54] <Azelphur> any suggestions on who I should contact first? Amazon or Lenovo xD
[13:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> No - but I would "speak" to any supplier and explain what you want first.
[13:55] <Azelphur> fair enough
[13:55] <Azelphur> suppose I'll go to Amazon first then since you had success with them
[13:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> You may be able to get a sale just because you could go elsewhere and potentially get a deal.
[13:56] <Azelphur> ah, I already bought the laptop though
[13:56] <Azelphur> it arrived today :p
[13:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ah.
[14:10] <Azelphur> TheOpenSourcerer: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2012/August/2012-08-10-150952_1908x1170_scrot.png making a start :)
[14:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> Good luck Azelphur
[14:12] <Azelphur> ty \o/
[14:13] <brobostigon> there we go, easy and painless, unlocking bootloader, installing cwm recovery and rooting, nexus 7.
[14:19] <bigcalm> Good luck indeed
[14:48] <Azelphur> The Ubuntu installer scares me, somehow it defaults to colemak for me now
[14:48] <Azelphur> it's in my brain...it knows things
[15:12] <shauno> I discovered my mac actually does that. it ships with en_GB set in the nvram, but changes to en_IE once I've set it up.  but stuffs that back in nvram so the installer is wiser next time
[15:12] <shauno> makes sense I guess, but struck me as really sneaky when I found this table of stuff laying in nv
[15:13] <Azelphur> haha, I had no idea something like that was even possible
[15:14] <shauno> I think all kinds of odd tricks are going to show up, the more we move away from pcbios
[15:15] <davmor2> bigcalm: zap
[15:35] <christel> davmor2: oh yes! the flight had free wifi so i was most pleased :D
[15:36] <davmor2> woohoo
[15:58] <zleap> christel, nice
[16:52] <Azelphur> Today is a great day, it's the first time in about 2 years that I've put the side panel on my case
[16:53] <Flashtek> lol
[16:53] <Flashtek> that makes it a good day ?
[16:53] <Azelphur> sure xD
[16:53] <Flashtek> you're easily pleased...
[16:53] <Azelphur> :p
[17:19] <Azelphur> I hate it when manufacturers modify the sockets on the home keys (F and J) so that you can't place them in any other slot :(
[17:27] <Azelphur> Anyone know if it's possible to scp while preserving permissions?
[17:27] <Azelphur> want to move my old home folder to my new home folder \o/
[17:27] <Azelphur> I probably should use dd, thinking about it
[17:43] <n1md4> Azelphur: rsync with -p
[17:47] <n1md4> Azelphur: I hope too you get a refund on Windows!  That'll be a nice win!
[17:56] <jacobw> Azelphur: rsync like it's 2012 :)
[17:59]  * wayne__ Would love a refund on his windows license
[18:01] <jacobw> n1md4: i didn't see your reply, sorry :)
[18:05]  * jacobw is liking byobu
[18:09] <MartijnVdS> byobu is fun
[18:12] <jacobw> i'm still trying to work out nesting issues, but so far i'm enjoying it much more than the screen →  tmux transision
[18:16] <jacobw> using the f-keys is much better :)
[18:27] <jussi> right you people who rate spice racks... I want thoughts and suggestions for spices to put in a Lamb minced meat and vegetable soup the rack is here: http://ratemyspicerack.com/jussi01/
[18:31] <MartijnVdS> jussi: Sage + lamb = yummy (not too much, it's quite strong)
[18:31] <jussi> MartijnVdS: thanks!
[18:44] <Flashtek> zleap: wake up
[18:45] <zleap> sorry
[18:45] <Flashtek> lol
[19:00] <Azelphur> Woo, dding into bzip2 into netcat out of netcat into bzip2 into dd
[19:00] <Azelphur> Linux is fun \o/
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: I've done the same with tar instead of dd :)
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: also fun
[19:06] <Azelphur> hehe
[19:17] <Azelphur> for people who are familiar with royal mail, if I want to post a joggler (tablet pc type thing), Standard parcels should do it right?
[19:21] <dogmatic69> Azelphur: I think its a large packet
[19:21] <Azelphur> dogmatic69: I got letter, large letter or packet o.O
[19:21] <dogmatic69> packet
[19:22] <Azelphur> yea, then standard parcels should be the right thing hopefully
[19:22] <dogmatic69> letter and large letter is something like max 20mm
[19:22] <dogmatic69> thickness ^
[19:22] <Azelphur> yea I just noticed, and packet is all "over XYZ" measurements
[19:22] <dogmatic69> letter is std mail like you get from the bank etc. large letter is A4
[19:22] <dogmatic69> yes
[19:23] <Azelphur> yea :)
[19:23] <dogmatic69> or a tube of x length max dia
[19:23] <dogmatic69> Ipad sort of size box should be fine. If they are not to grumpy they will even go a bit over too
[19:24] <Azelphur> http://cdn.electricpig.com.s3-external-3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/o2-joggler-review-6-440x286.jpg it's a box \o/
[19:25] <dogmatic69> 610 x 460 x 460 mm seems to be the max
[19:25] <Azelphur> yea joggler is smaller than tha
[19:25] <Azelphur> t
[19:26] <dogmatic69> Think its about 4 or 5 quid for first class in the UK
[19:26] <AlanBell> evening all
[19:26] <dogmatic69> I normally send tubes though, so might be different for boxes
[19:26] <dogmatic69> sup AlanBell
[19:26] <AlanBell> Gatwick is dead today
[19:26] <AlanBell> nobody here
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: Isn't it holiday season?
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> shouldn't it be packed?
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> or..
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> did you chase everyone away?
[19:29] <dogmatic69> AlanBell: try again on monday, when the games are over
[19:30]  * MartijnVdS watches the women's field hockey final
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> NED - ARG
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> not as crushing as the men's NED-GBR yesterday
[19:30] <dogmatic69> that was a right beating
[19:31] <dogmatic69> and then GBR thrashed in the 3rd place game
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> they were?
[19:36] <n1md4> jacobw: Pffff not even sure what that reply was :P
[19:40] <Azelphur> Is there an easy way to get laptop A to DHCP laptop B so that they are on a little private network with eachother?
[19:43] <n1md4> why dhcp?
[19:43] <Azelphur> well, anything will do
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> just give them static IPs
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> both in the same net
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> done!
[19:43] <Azelphur> I just want a fast way to move files from laptop A to laptop B
[19:43] <n1md4> wired?
[19:43] <Azelphur> how do I give them an IP?
[19:43] <Azelphur> n1md4: yep
[19:44] <n1md4> ip or ifconfig
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: either using network-manager, or "ip addr"
[19:44] <n1md4> take your pick :)
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> Oh use RFC1918 addresses :)
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> it would be weird otherwise
[19:45] <Azelphur> I can't seem to figure out how to do it with network-manager?
[19:46] <n1md4> ip addr add <IP_ADDRESS> dev eth0
[19:46] <n1md4> ip addr add <IP_ADDRESS>/24 dev eth0
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> 192.
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> nog 19.
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> not*
[19:46]  * n1md4 typo monster strikes
[19:47] <Azelphur> hehe
[19:47]  * Azelphur tries that
[19:47] <n1md4> you might need  .... "ip link set dev eth0 up" too.
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> and .2/24 on the other machine of course
[19:47] <Azelphur> indeed
[19:48] <n1md4> Azelphur: You mean you don't have an openwrt gigabit router? :P
[19:48] <Azelphur> all the ports are used but one :(
[19:49] <Azelphur> 4 port switches are pretty useless
[19:49]  * MartijnVdS has a WDR4300 from TP-Link with OpenWRT on it
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> gigabits AND 2.4GHz 802.11n radio, AND 5GHz 802.11n radio
[19:50] <Azelphur> yea I have a linksys wrt610n dual band 802.11n
[19:50] <Azelphur> omg, I think my Ubuntu USB stick went up the wall :(
[19:50]  * Azelphur rages
[19:50]  * n1md4 <3 TP-Link w/OpenWrt
[19:52]  * jacobw has an actual wrt54gl
[19:52] <jacobw> kind of old now
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> I have one of those here as well, but I'm thinking of throwing it out
[19:53] <Azelphur> that's frustrating, had a nice multiboot setup on that stick
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> I also have some routers that came with "How to replace the standard software with DD-WRT" leaflets :)
[19:53] <Azelphur> and now it just drops to busybox
[19:53] <Azelphur> :(
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> from Senao/Engenius
[19:55] <jacobw> awesome
[19:56]  * christel pokes bigcalm with a really pointy stick
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> christel: hockey stick?
[19:57] <christel> yes!
[19:58] <christel> a sharpened one at that :D
[19:58]  * MartijnVdS is still watching the women's final
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> One big cut in the first half
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> (as in, someone's face was cut open by a stick)
[19:58] <christel> !!
[20:00]  * AlanBell is watching a womens long distance
[20:00] <AlanBell> while sat in tje airside pub
[20:00] <christel> yus same
[20:00] <christel> ok, i am not in the airside pub
[20:01] <davmor2> AlanBell: is that not classes as stalking if you watch at a distance then?
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: long distance? Not the 4x400m relay?
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> Where they broke the 1985(!) world record
[20:01] <davmor2> christel: wheres the post card??????? you said there would be post cards to the list :P
[20:02] <AlanBell> dunno what it is, not a relay
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: relay was.. 10ish minutes ago?
[20:03] <AlanBell> 4:10 was the time
[20:03] <christel> davmor2: haha but i've only just got here! :P
[20:05] <davmor2> christel: pffffffffffffff excuses is all I can say :)
[20:05] <AlanBell> no wifi on my plane
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: Aww
[20:05] <AlanBell> only on viking longplanes
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: what's this? 1066 all over again?
[20:07] <christel> AlanBell: aww your plaen sucks :(
[20:07] <christel> plane*
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> plan*
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> :P
[20:15] <christel> haha
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> 2-0 for NED
[20:15] <Azelphur> grr,  I'm only getting 400KB/sec using dd over netcat :(
[20:16] <davmor2> 2 wings, engines, fuselage, webbing, tail, cockpit,  I love it when a plane comes together
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: it's better than it falling apart
[20:17] <davmor2> </hannibal impression>
[20:19] <christel> i have been all domesticated today
[20:19] <christel> i've made 3 litres of raspberry jam
[20:19] <christel> norway clearly does weird things to me :(
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> raspberries ♥
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> christel: instead of pi?
[20:19] <christel> hehe indeed
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> woo, gold
[20:45] <christel> well done netherlands
[21:06] <hunter68uk> can anyone tell me the advantage of 32bit or 64bit i haver 32bit installed and was thinking of re-installing with 64bit but would i benefit?
[21:07] <ali1234> no
[21:07] <hunter68uk> ok :)
[21:07] <hunter68uk> ok 2nd question :)
[21:08] <hunter68uk> is there anyway i can get webcam to work with yahoo i have it working on most other chats
[21:30] <sebsebseb> hi
[21:50] <linuxloony89> has anyone got any idea's on how to get secondlife running well on ubuntu
[21:51] <directhex> the client or the server?
[21:52] <ali1234> i tried SL once, it ran extremely poorly
[21:52] <ali1234> not because of the graphics but because the environments take forever to load
[21:53] <ali1234> so you're walking along and get stuck, and then 30 seconds later a wall pops up in front of you
[21:53] <ali1234> i dunno if the experience is the same on windows
[21:54] <linuxloony89> on windows it runs pretty well on my laptop but on ubuntu it wont load a world at all,
[21:55] <linuxloony89> directhex: client, trying singularity as it seems the lighter than the official client
[21:57] <linuxloony89> I finally scrapped windows completely and the only application I miss is SL and desprate to get it running again
[21:57] <directhex> ali1234, how long ago?
[21:58] <ali1234> oh, couple of years
[21:58] <linuxloony89> ali1234: it's improved incrediblely in the last year i would say
[21:59] <sebsebseb> linuxloony89: SL is 3D?
[21:59] <sebsebseb> or 2D?
[21:59] <ali1234> it's 3D
[22:00] <directhex> linuxloony89, so what's the issue? download, unpack, run?
[22:01] <linuxloony89> the programme starts on ubuntu, but when you log in, it wont load any worlds, despite the fact it's fine on windows, same client and same system
[22:01] <directhex> nvidia/ati binary drivers, 3d working?
[22:01] <sebsebseb> linuxloony89: SL is made for Windows really
[22:02] <sebsebseb> even if there is a Linux port, it's really a Windows  program
[22:02] <linuxloony89> nvidia and run fine
[22:02] <directhex> sebsebseb, wat?
[22:02] <linuxloony89> and im using gnome classic instead of unity to help on graphic
[22:02] <sebsebseb> directhex: I don't use SL, but I think it started off as  Windows program, and then ported to Linux?  that's what I meant
[22:03] <sebsebseb> linuxloony89: Which version of Ubuntu?
[22:03] <linuxloony89> 12.04
[22:03] <sebsebseb> ok so you mean the Gnome fall back mode then really
[22:03] <sebsebseb> which will eventaully be removed from GNOME it seems completly
[22:04] <sebsebseb> I assume you mean that
[22:04] <linuxloony89> that prob is the name, cant remember, but basically looks like gnome 2
[22:04] <linuxloony89> but obviously not
[22:04] <ali1234> it's called gnome fallback by gnome developers who want it to die, and gnome classic by everyone else who refuses to stop using it
[22:05] <sebsebseb> I  don't use  SL, but I expect any Linux port,  won't be as good as the WIndows version,  with certain graphics cards and so on
[22:05] <sebsebseb> certain graphics cards, that was meant to be above
[22:05] <sebsebseb> or maybe just in general really whatever the card, depending on how it's been made
[22:06] <linuxloony89> well the graphics card it nvidia geforce go 6600te/6200te
[22:07] <sebsebseb> also you may have a NIvida graphics card driver, which is the best one you can get really, but even so,  it's not quite working as well as you would hope with SL,  and nothing can be done about that really since it's closed source
[22:07] <directhex> sebsebseb, anything vaguely game-like that real people would want to play started on windows
[22:07] <ali1234> nvidia driver works fine
[22:07] <sebsebseb> directhex: that's not quite true
[22:07] <ali1234> heh, yeah, quake?
[22:07] <linuxloony89> yeah but hopefully will be joining linux
[22:07] <ali1234> DOS, then SGI, then finally windows supported it
[22:07] <sebsebseb> ali1234: also a lot of the games started on DOS even I guess,  and that's not WIndows :d
[22:08] <sebsebseb> linuxloony89: hopefuly who will be joining LInux ?
[22:09] <linuxloony89> the more main stream game developers, sorry
[22:09] <sebsebseb> yeah and hopefuly not just supporting Ubuntu when they do that
[22:09] <sebsebseb> altough I was reading about a distro the other day that can run well all of it really or pretty much,  Ubuntu DEb's,  Fedora  RPM's, etc etc
[22:09] <directhex> linuxloony89, so what exactly happens to you when you try to log in?
[22:11] <linuxloony89> it starts running the loading screen, gets to "requesting region capabilities@ then hangs
[22:12] <directhex> linuxloony89, anything in the console output?
[22:13] <linuxloony89> i check now
[22:15] <linuxloony89> "listening for requests on tcp:<IP_ADDRESS>:44125"
[22:16] <linuxloony89> "Initializing logging /home/rob/library/logs/vivox/, sdkserver, .txt. -i
[22:20] <linuxloony89> thats the last to lines
[22:21] <linuxloony89> directhex: I expect you ment in terminal?
[22:40] <n1md4> linuxloony89: Gnome2 look-a-like ... Cinnamon by any chance?
[22:45] <linuxloony89> n1md4not sure off the top of my head
[22:46] <linuxloony89> In1md4: all i know is it's called gnome fallback
[22:46] <linuxloony89> its really hard to type on this small keyboard..
[22:55] <linuxloony89> directhex: tryed firestorm client, it's loaded a world but extremely slowly, but it's certainly an improvement
[23:16] <directhex> linuxloony89, can you paste the output from "glxinfo" to pastebin.com ?
[23:23] <linuxloony89> directhex: http://pastebin.com/QHPYYpWc
[23:25] <directhex> wow, geforce 6000 still supported in that driver
[23:26] <petrol-head> ~
[23:27] <directhex> you might have more luck with an older driver - your card is supported in nvidia-173
[23:29] <linuxloony89> version 173 or 173-with updates
[23:44] <linuxloony89> directhex: so far not so good with 173, it's not got worse, not improved either, what about 173 - updates