[07:37] <dholbach> good morning
[09:31] <dholbach> dpm_, on our backlog, I'll create a section for snappy if that's all right
[09:31] <dholbach> up until now I shoved everything into developer docs
[09:31] <dpm_> sounds good, thanks dholbach
[09:34] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:42] <dholbach> dpm_, I marked candidates for one of the next sprints with pink (one of the obvious colours which were still free ;-))
[09:42] <dholbach> and added "needs review" (purple)
[09:42] <dholbach> hey czajkowski
[09:44] <czajkowski> dholbach: good morning how are things?
[09:45] <dholbach> good good... just starting to get a bit organised again after UOS :)
[09:45] <dpm_> dholbach, cool, thanks
[09:46] <czajkowski> it seemed to go well last week
[09:46] <czajkowski> a lot of new people online and engaging which is good to see
[13:32] <czajkowski> popey: gift in dm for you :)
[13:32] <popey> ta :)
[13:36] <czajkowski> any thoughts folks - has to be more than timezones :) https://plus.google.com/u/0/+LauraCzajkowski/posts/HQTKw9wZ9Mu
[13:55] <balloons> good morning
[15:41] <czajkowski> dholbach: popey dpm_ local to you (ish) confernece looking for community talks http://www.boosterconf.no/
[16:53] <popey> jose, balloons ping
[16:53] <jose> pong
[16:53] <popey> Admins have disappeared?
[16:53] <popey> I got a thing at the bottom which said "new version of code-in available"
[16:53] <popey> which is probably why
[16:53] <jose> "This user is already assigned to this organization"
[16:53] <popey> they updated the dashboard and it lost our admins
[16:53] <balloons> yea, I see that as well
[16:53] <popey> stupid google
[16:54] <jose> I'll email Stephanie just in case
[16:54] <popey> it says I am the only one
[16:54] <popey> stephanie?
[16:54] <popey> er, also, someone mis-typed my email...
[16:54] <jose> yes, me, sorry
[16:55] <jose> Stephanie is the lead organizer for the contest
[16:57] <balloons> seems others are having the same issue
[16:57] <balloons> things seem to be ok though they say
[16:57] <jose> wat, where did you read?
[16:58] <balloons> stephane says she can read them still
[16:58] <jose> ?
[16:58]  * jose is confused
[16:58] <jose> is there a ML where I'm supposed to be but I'm not?
[17:01] <balloons> jose, #fsoc
[17:01] <balloons> #gsoc
[17:01] <jose> ah bah
[17:02] <jose> I left that channel loooong ago
[17:02] <popey> looks fixed now
[17:03] <jose> I'm still seeing<EMAIL_ADDRESS>only
[21:30] <mhall119> popey: do you have a blog post report for OggCamp?
[21:46] <popey> mhall119, no, I haven't written one yet
[21:46] <popey> will set aside some time to do so though, thanks for the reminder
[21:47] <mhall119> thanks popey
[21:47] <mhall119> jcastro: can you link me to your blog about the GPU drivers PPA and hardware you got for it?
[22:46]  * popey needs to butter up a US co-worker. I want this T-shirt so badly. https://teespring.com/angelodeath?utm_swu=5078
[22:46] <wxl> what's with the take 2 on the poll?
[22:48] <wxl> is the original poll invalid?
[22:49] <czajkowski> popey: can get it sent to my office in MV and I';;l be over next month or January to collect
[22:49] <wxl> nevermind
[22:49] <czajkowski> or there will be someone coming over berfore then
[22:49] <wxl> just saw email
[22:49] <popey> heh, you jet setter
[22:49] <popey> thanks for the offer.
[22:51] <czajkowski> popey: starts in london in january speaking then FOSDEM, 2 confernes in Feb and then maybe late march speaking and then our event in april followed by wedding honeymoon then OSCON
[22:54] <mhall119> czajkowski: don't forget SCaLE and the big UbuCon in Januart
[22:56] <czajkowski> mhall119: trying to get to Ubuncon but it's the week before sales kick off and whre I am mean to onboard new staff and present the roadmap for the community. and it;s also my 5 year anniversary
[23:00] <mhall119> czajkowski: so....what's one more thing? :)
[23:00] <mhall119> at least I'll see you at least once next spring
[23:01] <czajkowski> :D
[23:23] <popey> mhall119, if you have 5 mins could you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~popey/ubuntu-terminal-app/fix-1514519/+merge/277240 ?
[23:23] <popey> It's a "one line" change to fix the font problem, I could do with it being reviewed - I have tested as as dave and ogra, just need someone to +1 it so I can land it


[13:41] <thorwil> behold web2.0 text reflection on some kind of canvas texture: http://alexp0205.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/fsug.jpg =8-D
[15:07]  * _MMA_ wants to know where he can buy reflective frown canvas.
[15:08] <_MMA_> Actually, I like the pic other that the shine.
[15:08] <_MMA_> s/frown/brown
[15:09] <thorwil> yes, it's not bad otherwise
[18:02] <kwwii> Q
[18:02] <kwwii> OOPS


[14:47] <brainwash> can anyone please mark bug 1173114 as "won't fix" (it targets 13.04)?
[14:47] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1173114 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu Raring desktop uses Quantal wallpaper by default" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1173114
[14:58] <brainwash> not sure about this one bug 998649
[14:58] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 998649 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "package mythbuntu-default-settings (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/etc/skel/.xscreensaver', which is also in package xubuntu-default-settings 12.04.11" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/998649
[14:59] <brainwash> issue has been fixed in the mythbuntu package for 13.04, and starting with 14.04 xubuntu won't ship xscreensaver anymore
[15:03] <brainwash> I'll discuss this with the xubuntu team


[01:53] <jdwwatts> There is a pop up saying there is a system error, but the only option it gives me, is do I want to report it .Any IdeaS?
[01:57] <tomreyn> jdwwatts: i think that's a known bug, but you'd actuall yneed to look for it yourself. the software handling crashes is whoopsie, and apport does the upload to daisy.ubuntu.com where further anylsis takes place.
[01:57] <tomreyn> E_OUTOFPATIENCE
[09:23] <Allan21> i don't know how to install wine on xubuntu 18.04, is anyone can help me thank you
[12:51] <Robert98> Can you give me a piece of advice about transferring files from a PC to a phone? What are possible ways to do it without using USB?
[13:06] <diogenes_> Robert98, bluetooth
[13:07] <Robert98> unfortunately, I don't have a bluetooth adaptor in my PC...
[13:07] <diogenes_> then upload your files from phone to google drive or other cloud drives.
[13:09] <Robert98> It is a good idea, I even tried to make a torrent file and download it straight from my PC without using clouds, but... my Internet connection is limitless only at night. So downloading it might be expensive, especially when I download lots of GiB on cloud drives...
[13:11] <Robert98> Are there some ways to do it without using 3G/4G? :(
[13:12] <diogenes_> Robert98, microsd?
[13:12] <Robert98> My computer doesn't have any microSD/SD slots, only USB
[13:13] <diogenes_> you can put microsd into 3g modem and it has usb.
[13:13] <Robert98> MTP doesn't work for me, but I have a Wi-Fi adapter
[13:14] <diogenes_> then borrow a huawai 3g modem from somewhere.
[13:14] <Robert98> Impossible
[13:14] <diogenes_> then you're stuck )
[13:15] <Robert98> I've heard a lot about Samba / FTP and so and so on, but it seems too difficult, I tried something to make it work, but it didn't work out
[13:16] <Robert98> Also I've heard there are ways to share files through Wi-Fi connection (without using the Internet)
[13:16] <Robert98> MTP just doesn't work on Linux, it's unstable :(
[13:49] <DarkTrick> hm
[13:49] <DarkTrick> he already left
[13:50] <DarkTrick> I could've send him a comprehensive ftp setup guide....
[13:54] <diogenes_> DarkTrick, i'm sure he's tried a bunch of them.
[13:55] <DarkTrick> diogenes_, well, ye, I also found nothing useful on the internet
[13:55] <DarkTrick> diogenes_, so I have my own
[13:56] <DarkTrick> much easier to understand and follow ( from my POV)
[13:56] <diogenes_> DarkTrick, then you could contribue to ubuntu wiki.
[13:59] <DarkTrick> diogenes_, I guess this one?
[13:59] <DarkTrick> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/ftp-server.html
[14:05] <DarkTrick> If I get a place to provide information (with writing writes or an address, where I can send changes to) I'm willing to do so. I just found myself in a situation, where neither of one was given :/


[05:38] <xubuntu51i> Hi
[05:38] <xubuntu51i> I need help
[05:43] <xubuntu51i> xubuntu installation is too long I'm waiting 40 minutes already, it's creating FS for mounting '/'. Before that it had a fail with one of discs or something, but then it started launching and a progress bar doesn't move till now.
[11:42] <xu-irc73w> hello everyone. I'm sorry to bother you, but I am having trouble getting my Realtek wifi to work.
[11:42] <xu-irc73w> I know there are a lot of posts about this, but the instructions are not working for me.
[11:42] <xu-irc73w> Just wondering if anyone can help me out.
[11:42] <xu-irc73w> The problem is the exact same problem as this post, but the solution is not working for me:
[11:42] <xu-irc73w> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1079377/how-do-i-install-drivers-for-realtek-rtl8812bu
[11:43] <xu-irc73w> My computer fails on this command:
[11:43] <xu-irc73w> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1079377/how-do-i-install-drivers-for-realtek-rtl8812bu
[11:43] <xu-irc73w> whoops, not that
[11:43] <xu-irc73w> sudo dkms build -m rtl88x2bu -v ${VER}
[11:45] <diogenes_> xu-irc73w, has this wifi card ever worked under linux before?
[11:46] <xu-irc73w> apparently it has, because the model number matches the model number on the referenced github:
[11:47] <xu-irc73w> https://github.com/cilynx/rtl88x2BU_WiFi_linux_v<IP_ADDRESS>_26334.20180126_COEX20171012-5044
[11:47] <xu-irc73w> rtl88x2bu
[11:47] <diogenes_> xu-irc73w, i mean has it ever worked for you under linux on this very machine.
[11:47] <xu-irc73w> in my case, RTL8812BU
[11:47] <xu-irc73w> no, that's the problem.
[11:47] <xu-irc73w> i want it to work on this machine.
[11:47] <xu-irc73w> i know the unit works because it works on the same machine in Windows.
[11:47] <diogenes_> what OS did you have prio to Xubuntu?
[11:48] <xu-irc73w> GalliumOS
[11:48] <xu-irc73w> but not on this hardware.
[11:48] <diogenes_> i've never heard of Gallium OS.
[11:48] <xu-irc73w> that's alright
[11:48] <xu-irc73w> https://galliumos.org/
[11:49] <xu-irc73w> it's a debian-based linux
[11:49] <diogenes_> so are you running Xubuntu or Gallium right now?
[11:49] <xu-irc73w> I am on the Xubuntu computer I am trying to get my wifi working on
[11:49] <xu-irc73w> i've made a temporary hardwire connection until i can fix my wifi
[11:50] <diogenes_> xu-irc73w, run in a terminal: lscpi -nnk | grep Net -A3 | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:51] <diogenes_> you gonna get an url that you have to paste here in the chat.
[11:52] <xu-irc73w> sorry, but it's not working:
[11:52] <xu-irc73w> lscpi -nnk
[11:52] <xu-irc73w> whoops, hold on
[11:53] <xu-irc73w> lscpi -nnk | grep Net -A3 | nc termbin.com 9999Command 'lscpi' not found, did you mean:  command 'lspci' from deb pciutils (1:3.6.4-1)  command 'lscp' from deb nilfs-tools (2.2.8-1)  command 'lscpu' from deb util-linux (2.34-0.1ubuntu9.1)Try: sudo apt install <deb name>
[11:53] <xu-irc73w> keep in mind, the wifi is not pci
[11:53] <xu-irc73w> the wifi is connected via usb
[11:53] <diogenes_> yep sorry lspci
[12:02] <xu-irc73w> the command does not produce output
[12:02] <xu-irc73w> lspci -nnk | grep Net -A3 | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:02] <xu-irc73w> just back to the command prompt. no error.
[12:03] <diogenes_> xu-irc73w, so it's not a build-in module.
[12:04] <xu-irc73w> right. it's a USB module.
[13:07] <unixy> helllo
[13:09] <diogenes_> hello
[13:15] <unixy> so....


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[10:46] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
 good morning everyone
 @acheronuk around?
 @Santa, Not at a pc at the moment
 well, I just wanted to ask if you are ok with merging into ka-metadata/master these branches: staging, plasma-5.14 and emerald_lake
 so we could just prepare master for disco rather than doing it in each and every branch
 Yeah, I think reason for having them seperate for a short while have gone now. So go ahead.
 allright 👌
 Done.
 is there any technical/legal hurdle for including NTFS and exfat support in Kubuntu by default?
[13:48] <ngraham> MichaelTunnell: does this require packages that are not installed by default or something?
 yes such as exfat-fuse for example
[13:51] <ngraham> what does "support" mean in this context? FUSE? Visibility in Dolphin? Write support in Dolphin? Something else?
 allow dolphin to mount these FS without having to know what packages are needed to install. … Ideally I would like people to install the distro and choose to mount and it just works.
 Dolphin has support for using these FS in general as long as these packages are available to the system. I have used exfat and ntfs in Dolphin previously but it is always a case where I have to install all of the needed packages myself
 in my limited knowledge of the subject, I believe that if the FS packages were made available by default then Kubuntu would be able to offer them without other effort. I know Dolphin can do it and I have done it in the past. I don't remember it being too difficult to setup other than installing those packages though it certainly has been a while.
 I am pretty sure Linux Mint Cinnamon ships these packages by default if that helps in some way
[14:05] <IrcsomeBot1> <Lazy B> Well, then micro$oft can charge every vendor who provides preinstalled Linux Mint on their hw
 @MichaelTunnell, not sure right this sec. make a task on our phab? those can get forgotten, so please bug until we have a good answer
 could be a case of bieng able to include in an install to a hd, but needs to be blacklisted from the built iso, as some codecs are
 Can the warning message in dolphin be edited when a user tries to mount that stuff?
 @Lazy B, That's not true anymore due to the OIN membership
 hmmm. ntfs-3g is on our iso
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[21:22] <valorie> from #kde-promo: [14:17] <Kon-> Spectacle's rectangle selection UI seemed to be bugged for him, and helpful people in his community are telling him Dolphin doesn't support exFAT when the real reason is Kubuntu doesn't ship exfat-fuse but Mint does
[21:22] <valorie> !info exfat-fuse
[21:23] <valorie> !info exfat-fuse cosmic
[21:24] <valorie> with this followup: valorie: I think there might previously have been US legal reason for Ubuntu not shipping exfat-fuse preinstalled. But Microsoft did just release a bunch of patents into OIN, so I think that might no longer be a concern
[21:24] <valorie> oh, michael tunnell was asking earlier
[21:24] <valorie> I'll chime in on the phab when he makes it
[21:27] <ackeronuk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/exfat-utils/+bug/1649537
[21:28] <valorie> https://phabricator.kde.org/T9965
[21:29] <valorie> filed by ngraham
[21:32] <ackeronuk> linked to that bug comment on the task. I don't think we can seed this unless the legal situation is ok'd by Ubuntu/Canonical
[21:34] <valorie> I commented on the BR
[21:34] <valorie> since the situation has changed, and Microsoft now allows it
[21:36] <ackeronuk> lets see how that goes then. maybe poke the powers that be if nothing happens
[21:37] <valorie> right
[21:38] <valorie> we're early in the cycle so we might get this bit done
[21:42] <ackeronuk> WTF does canonical being an associate member of OIN mean?
 they wont get suid for patents like exfat? idk
 oops i mean sued not SUID lmao
[21:44] <ackeronuk> PMSL
 oops forgot to make the task my bad
 on the bright side one of my podcasts is almost ready to release :D
 which one @MichaelTunnell
 Destination Linux
 nice
 I was also on the latest episode of the Ask Noah Show last night :D
 and I will be on next week's FLOSS Weekly
 i called into ask noah for the first time a month or two ago
[21:48] <valorie> nice!
 providing a solution
 or rather, an explanation
[21:48] <valorie> @MichaelTunnell you see that ngraham made it, right?
[21:48] <valorie> so chime in there if you have more to add
 I saw and will do
[21:49] <valorie> \o/
[21:49] <valorie> we have a few months to make this happen so I hope it will get done
 @tsimonq2 is making enquiries on the legal side I think
 = asking someone in the know
 I think
 nice. I commented and offered an alternative if the legal answer is no.
[21:52] <valorie> I don't see how it could be when MS says explicitly that it is allowed
 and to my knowledge they havent sued mint
 which ships it i think
 @pizzadude, Just because they haven't been sued yet doesn't make it legal.
 good point
 but how is it even in the ubuntu repos if its illegal
 I have it on good authority that we have more of a spotlight than Mint does :P
 @pizzadude, Read the fine print
 It can't be shipped in a product or device.
 oh
 The archive technically isn't a product.
 but it can be available to install
 if the user wants to
 But it's not a part of the default product.
 Making it legal (but gray area)
 is it installed if i select "download restricted codecs"
 not sure
 i have it installed but i dont remember installing it
 probably a dependency
 Still.
 That's not part of the default install.
 i know, i wasnt disputing that
[21:59] <valorie> how are you, @tsimonq2?
[21:59] <valorie> back to full speed?
 Tired and swimming in homework :)
 Back to full speed in terms of health, not in involvement yet
[22:00] <valorie> school first, everything else second
[22:00] <valorie> good to hear you are well
 Thanks
 good luck on homework
 Thanks
 @pizzadude, if it is, it is still not shipped because that took manual interaction by the user.
 @MichaelTunnell, i understnad


[05:35] <pleia2> copying over summaries and tossing in stats
[05:40] <pleia2> 6 more summaries need to be written if anyone is around to pitch in
[06:01] <pleia2> hotel wifi don't fail me now /o\
[06:07] <pleia2> bullet-pointed a bit more than usual, but I'm tired :) need rest
[06:07] <pleia2> Unit193: link check? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue455
[07:56] <Unit193> pleia2: Oh sorry it got lost in screen.  Looks fine.
[15:17] <pleia2> Unit193: thank you
[21:15] <pleia2> Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 455 for the week February 15 - 21, 2016 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue455
[21:46] <tsimonq2> pleia2: got the stickers! :D
[21:50] <pleia2> :)
[22:19] <tsimonq2> pleia2: these are really really cool, thank you :)
[22:21] <pleia2> you're welcome


[20:50] <Nalf> zolw: Yes.
[20:50] <robin0800> Lemmiwinks, annoying but I found this would not work If you ever save the session it appears in this case the panel is locked in
[20:51] <Nalf> zolw: Turning down the playback volume all the way makes it so that it's not playing back whatever I'm hearing. However, I still can't get it to pick up any sound I'm making. :P
[20:52] <hellslinger> oh man this is frustrating... can anyone point me ot how to configure samba4 in natty? I can't find a man page to get my config file written
[20:52] <zolw> Nalf: and if you press F4 do you get a recording mic level come up?
[20:52] <Nalf> Yesh, it's at 100.
[20:52] <KM0201> hellslinger: did you have it working in maverick?
[20:52] <hellslinger> yep
[20:52] <hellslinger> err
[20:53] <hellslinger> well no, I had samba 3
[20:53] <KM0201> ah, ok.
[20:53] <KM0201> you'd think the smae config file would work
[20:53] <hellslinger> the config I had in maverick doesn't work
[20:53] <hellslinger> hehehe right!
[20:53] <hellslinger> samba 4 config is not compatible with samba 3
[20:53] <hellslinger> at all
[20:53] <hellslinger> and all the man pages are for samba 3
[20:53] <zolw> oh. So basically the playback seems to control both in and out regardless of what the capture level is? thats frustrating
[20:54] <Nalf> Noo.
[20:54] <Nalf> With the playback up they can hear what I'm hearing, but I can't get it to pick up anything I'm speaking at all.
[20:54] <Nalf> Even with both levels at 100.
[20:55] <robin0800> Nalf, try pulse audio volume control
[20:55] <zolw> Nalf: OH i see so its playing through "computers" sounds but not the sounds going into your mic?
[20:56] <r_a_f> hello - every update i have to link my nvidia drivers to unity working ...
[20:56] <Nalf> zolw: Yes. :)
[20:56] <Nalf> robin0800: Where do I find that? *Nalf is new and apologizes for his ignorance.*
[20:57] <robin0800> Nakkel, pavcontrol in synaptics or software centre
[21:00] <phibxr> did the functionality earlier provided by the screen brightness applet find a new home in Unity, or is it gone?
[21:01] <Nalf> robin0800: Seem to be having the same issue.
[21:02] <Lemmiwinks> robin0800, I'm not saving the session
[21:04] <zolw> Nalf: what are you trying to use it with, skype or something?
[21:05] <Nalf> zolw: Lots of stuff. :P Sound recorder, teamspeak, skype.. etc etc.
[21:06] <zolw> Nalf: this is a bit ironic cos what your trying to stop is exactly what I was trying to get mine to do the other day! didn't get anywhere with that though...
[21:06] <Nalf> I run video cards that have builtin hdmi sound out on them. The system seems to detect those, but not my mic. Q.q
[21:07] <Nalf> Albeit the dvi adapter I'm running off the card doesn't support sending of sound so I have a headset plugged in for sound/microphone capabilities.
[21:07] <zolw> Nalf:is it a built in one?
[21:07] <Nalf> Built in mic? No.
[21:14] <xskydevilx> Is there a way to backup all of the installed updates for Ubuntu and then restore them back when the OS has been installed again?
[21:15] <hellslinger> so itturns out that samba-common is where the working stable version of samba is and samba4 is a non-working, non-documented development version of samba :(
[21:15] <hellslinger> I thought *-common was a general name for supporting files that went with another package
[21:15] <BUGabundo> bRoas
[21:17] <SwedeMike> xskydevilx: the packages apt gets is in /var/cache/apt/archives/ , you could back that up
[21:18] <xskydevilx> SwedeMike: And is there a way to update them all (the deb files) instead of running each deb file one by one?
[21:20] <hardcold> I'm trying to reset FF. When I type prefs.js in Unity's search thing at the top left, it find the file instantly, but doesn't tell me where it is. How do I get it to tell me where it is?
[21:28] <delac> hey, anyone here with Acer D250?
[21:29] <nit-wit> delac, yes
[21:29] <Nalf> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=ae459ad21a96f96a5a778cf9ffb2e845a5dc9709
[21:30] <Nalf> Can anyone figure out why my system wont detect my microphone from that?:)
[21:30] <delac> nit-wit: using Unity? how does the menus work? do they flicker white when they close?
[21:31] <nit-wit> delac, I have xubuntu natty, I found unity to be rather unstable, as well as classic not really classic
[21:32] <nit-wit> delac, If I left the unity desktop stock it seemed fine though basically
[21:32] <delac> nit-wit: well, I wouldn't say it's unstable. but it does have bugs and lots of missing features
[21:33] <delac> nit-wit: one of the bugs being that menu flicker
[21:33] <nit-wit> delac, with the xubuntu I have all the regular xcomoiz plugins working the cube and bling
[21:34] <delac> nit-wit: yes, the menus work fine in classic, but not in unity
[21:34] <delac> nit-wit: in classic with compiz
[21:34] <nit-wit> xubuntu natty
[21:44] <louis> Hi. I have some problems with Unity on my netbook. It has been updated to Ubuntu 11.04 from 10.10 when 11.04 was in alpha. Some settings seems locked also with a newly created user. Unity search bar takes forever to load. No Applications or files-icons in the bottom. No global menu support in Firefox or Thunderbird, Alt + F2 doesn't seems to work. My x64 laptop when was upgraded when 11.04 was in beta 2 does'nt have these issues.
[21:51] <martinjh99> Running Beta2 off the CD and getting Gnome2 rather than Unity... Running on Nvidia - Im guessing im going to have to install so i can install graphics drivers to get Unity?
[21:52] <bjsnider> good guess
[21:52] <yofel> for those hanging around here: please don't file a bug if you get an apport upgrade failure!
[21:52] <martinjh99> :) Thought so thanks!  Give me something to do over the weekend - Just curious about Unity - Prefer KDE meself!!
[21:53] <zniavre> yofel any workaround for apport  apport-gtk failure or waiting for new update ?
[21:54] <scar3crow1> is it possible to have the desktop cube in ubuntu classic and unity in regular ubuntu?
[21:56] <KM0201> scar3crow1: i don't think so.... but maybe... i thought by definition,l ubuntu classic was ubuntu w/o effects (for machines that couldn't do 3D
[21:56] <scar3crow1> hmmmm too bad. ty
[21:57] <KM0201> brb
[21:57] <IdleOne> KM0201: there is both options, classic and classic ( no effects)
[21:57] <IdleOne> not sure about the cube thing though I don't run effects
[21:59] <buzz_> I would be interested if anyone else can test mouse accessibility on ubuntu natty and perhaps help me get this noticed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/762806 - im worried this one will slip by - would be interested if anyone knows why it might be broken too
[22:00] <buzz_> will mean natty will not be useable for those that need these accessibility options for control
[22:00] <buzz_> in my case, that means it won'
[22:00] <buzz_> t work at all on my touchscreen(woops pressed enter)
[22:00] <pteague_work> is there some way i can get the xfce terminal to show the desktop's wallpaper instead of the program behind it?
[22:00] <knightautwell> how is everyone
[22:01] <phibxr> buzz_, looks like the bug has already been confirmed. :)
[22:01] <louis>  Hi. I have some problems with Unity on my netbook. It has been updated to Ubuntu 11.04 from 10.10 when 11.04 was in alpha. Some settings seems locked also with a newly created user. Unity search bar takes forever to load. No Applications or files-icons in the bottom. No global menu support in Firefox or Thunderbird, Alt + F2 doesn't seems to work. My x64 laptop when was upgraded when 11.04 was in beta 2 does'nt have these issues.
[22:02] <buzz_> phibxr, yeh, although i was hoping someone might have some more insight into how it is broken or perhaps to up the importance.
[22:02] <yofel> zniavre: enable it again in /etc/default/apport and run dpkg --configure -a
[22:02] <knightautwell> hey how do i install something from a tar.gz file???
[22:02] <phibxr> buzz_, it's most likely broken in some important way. that's pretty much the sense I'm able to make out of it. :P
[22:02] <buzz_> phibxr, :)
[22:03] <lcb> this was a nice crash; complete blackout and went directly to grub menu. then not even low graphics mode worked. 'tasksel' and install 'ubuntu desktop' was the only option. it worked, but for some reason some of packages just vanished. a good lesson for whoever use this still in development releases with other things installed, like girlfriends or pets photos or a list of countries in war.
[22:04] <zniavre> yofel thank you that did the tricks
[22:04] <hardcold> my computer has been running for a couple hours now without crashing!
[22:05] <step21> virtualbox has been running for some hours now without crashing ...
[22:05] <hardcold> I now have hope that by the final release 11.04 will be usable
[22:06] <buzz_> natty will work, but i think its going to be the buggiest release yet, with the worst press after release. personally id prefer delayed releases untill stuff is ready.
[22:07] <adsadsaddsd> hello ubuntu stable enought ?
[22:07] <lcb> sure
[22:07] <step21> always :)
[22:07] <adsadsaddsd> i meant 11 04
[22:07] <lcb> 10.10
[22:07] <lcb> ahh, it's beta
[22:07] <adsadsaddsd> i know its beta but its stable enought
[22:07] <adsadsaddsd> ?
[22:07] <adsadsaddsd> t
[22:07] <adsadsaddsd> xD
[22:07] <step21> for what?
[22:07] <step21> for me it is
[22:08] <adsadsaddsd> i need one ubuntu version for me office pc
[22:08] <adsadsaddsd> cant decide
[22:08] <step21> just get 10.10 for now
[22:08] <ikonia> adsadsaddsd: no - it's not stable, it's a development product and until release day should not be assumed stable
[22:08] <adsadsaddsd> ok and when upgrade?
[22:08] <adsadsaddsd> or neither
[22:08] <knightautwell> anyone know how to set up an AP to share internet with like a psp
[22:08] <adsadsaddsd> ??
[22:08] <buzz_> wait until it is released if you are unsure
[22:09] <knightautwell> anyone?
[22:09] <DasEi> !ics | knightautwell
[22:09] <adsadsaddsd> when upgrading ??
[22:09] <knightautwell> is it an adhoc?
[22:10] <buzz_> adsadsaddsd, if you are unsure, wait until the release date (end of the month) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule
[22:10] <DasEi> knightautwell: firestarter is very easy to use
[22:10] <hardcold> knightwell, google that
[22:10] <hardcold> oh, sorry
[22:10] <hardcold> wrong window
[22:10] <knightautwell> lol i know
[22:10] <adsadsaddsd> buzz_ yes i meant
[22:10] <lcb> !info firestarter
[22:10] <adsadsaddsd> should i upgrade as soon as it released
[22:11] <adsadsaddsd> or 2 months laterr
[22:11] <buzz_> adsadsaddsd, i have no answer to that. perhaps wait until release and read the reviews and decide
[22:11] <buzz_> or test it in virtualbox
[22:12] <lcb> virtualbox.... on same installations 3d will not work
[22:12]  * step21 is running natty in virtualbox
[22:12] <adsadsaddsd> the only thing is
[22:12] <ikonia> lcb: are you surprised ?
[22:12] <lcb> nope
[22:12] <adsadsaddsd> NOW installing 10.10 upgrading in 8 days then
[22:12] <adsadsaddsd> i thing its a bit crazy
[22:12] <lcb> ikonia, did work, when still in alphas
[22:12] <davideS> hi
[22:12] <davideS> i am using natty beta 2 on acer aspire 1830t and alps touchpad
[22:12] <davideS> vertical scrolling does not work, despite being enabled in the touchpad tab under "mouse". Does anybody have the same problem?
[22:12] <ikonia> lcb: no hardware acceleration and virtual hardware
[22:12] <step21> lcb, well, obv. f.e. if host 3D doesn't work, guest 3D won't
[22:13] <lcb> yeap
[22:13] <hardcold> adsadsaddsd, then wait a year
[22:13] <hardcold> or however long you don't consider crazy
[22:13] <adsadsaddsd> ok
[22:13] <knightautwell> i have used it before but for some reason dhcp isnt working like its supposed too
[22:13] <knightautwell> i cant figure out how to config it to work right
[22:13] <knightautwell> im tethering my phone to my laptop if that helps any
[22:14] <KM0201> how do you dock the side panel.. i know i did it once, using something like gconf-editor...
[22:14] <lcb> knightautwell, with no playing around with network configurations dhcp works 'out of the box'
[22:14] <step21> KM0201, your unity has a side panel? or classic?
[22:15] <hardcold> knightautwell, I had the reverse issue of you, I couldn't get Ubuntu to connect to my MBP's wifi, although all my other devices were fine
[22:15] <KM0201> as far as i know its unity... maybe its classic?
[22:15] <KM0201> i always thought i was using unity..lol
[22:15] <hardcold> knightautwell, it would be nice if Ubuntu has a simple internet sharing feature like OSX
[22:15] <KM0201> i thought classic was the "Classic" gnome?
[22:15] <step21> yeah
[22:15] <hardcold> knightautwell, maybe 11.10
[22:15] <step21> KM0201, just not sure which side panel you mean
[22:16] <lcb> KM0201, it is..., isn't?
[22:16] <step21> or you mean the launcher/dock
[22:16] <mekeor> KM0201: in "classic"-gnome you have 2 panels (top+bottom), in unity you have a dock there <<--, and a panel here ↑
[22:16] <buzz_> phibxr, ok rather than whinging ive debugged it a bit now, and i think it shoudnt be too hard to fix.
[22:16] <KM0201> nevermind, it was in compiz-config... step21   the side panel...
[22:16] <KM0201> mekeor: ok.. wanted to make sure i wasn't crazy
[22:16] <mekeor> KM0201: i talk about the standard-config...
[22:16] <mekeor> KM0201: :)
[22:17] <lcb> KM0201, you're not, don't worry - yet
[22:17] <KM0201> i was like.. is this ubuntu classic?.. and i've missed it the last 5yrs?
[22:17] <KM0201> but anyway, to 'dock' it.. so it doesn't auto hide, its in the unity plugin in compiz-config
[22:17] <KM0201> for anyone interested
[22:18] <step21> KM0201, oh yeah, that is in ccsm
[22:18] <step21> lol
[22:18] <KM0201> lol
[22:18] <mekeor> ccsm???
[22:18]  * KM0201 thinks step21 will drive him to drink
[22:18] <lcb> btw, grub menu now has one more option, to force check filesystem
[22:18] <step21> KM0201, I'm cool with that
[22:18] <mekeor> CompizConfig Settings Manager
[22:19] <KM0201> mekeor: yeah, compiz-config   i didn't hav a problem shorthanding that.
[22:19] <hardcold> km0201, is there a command to unhide it, in such a case (like option+D in OSX?)
[22:19] <hardcold> or I should say hide/unhide
[22:19] <KM0201> hardcold: don't know, i prefer it be "docked" so i've never tried that.. i imagine if you went through ccsm, you'd possibly find a  ikeyboard shortcut for it.
[22:20] <hardcold> km0201 one issue with the keybaord shortcuts I've found is they use the windows key
[22:20] <step21> also ... why doesn't taking screenshots work with unity? I just get the standard wallpaper with a cursor
[22:20] <step21> hardcold, there is
[22:20] <KM0201> hardcold: yeah.. can you manually set them in keyboard shortcuts?
[22:20] <hardcold> km0201 and I have the control keys mapped to alt keys
[22:20] <KM0201> hardcold: i see.
[22:21] <hardcold> however, this does not switch them, it just makes them both control keys...
[22:21] <KM0201> step21: screenshots should work fine...
[22:21] <hardcold> and windows key becomes alt
[22:21] <hardcold> so I have no windows key
[22:22] <step21> default to show launcher dock and select first item is alt+F1
[22:22] <KM0201> step21: http://imagebin.org/149336
[22:23] <hardcold> step21, cool, and how to hide it?
[22:23] <lcb> damn KM0201 you don't need to shot the monitor just because you have some crashes
[22:23] <hardcold> step21, km0201 was talking about preventing it from autohiding
[22:23] <mekeor> does anybody have an idea, why i get an error with apport (and apport-gtk) while installing ANYthing (or updating) (with "sudo apt-get install XYZ"/"sudo apt-get upgrade")??? :(
[22:23] <hardcold> I would also prefer that, to hide it when I want, but otherwise leave it there
[22:23] <KM0201> lcb: i was desperate  :)
[22:24] <lcb> hehehe
[22:24] <KM0201> hardcold: it annoyed me auto hiding, cuz sometimes i would try to click something, and it would go away... i prefer it docked... but.. different strokes for different folks.
[22:24] <step21> hardcold, just move away or escape I think
[22:24] <skyjumper> anyone else's boot messages not have a linefeed after each line?
[22:24] <hardcold> km0201, I know exactly what you mean, has driven me batty more than once
[22:25] <hardcold> km0201, it's like the launcher is laughing at you
[22:25] <KM0201> mekeor: its a bug.. i've been getting it as well (and saw several others mention it)
[22:25] <hardcold> or playing a peekabo game
[22:25] <KM0201> hardcold: lol, exactly.
[22:25] <yofel> mekeor: enable apport again in /etc/default/apport (enabled=1) and run dpkg --configure -a
[22:25] <mekeor> KM0201: does a solution exist?
[22:25] <mekeor> yofel: ???
[22:25] <yofel> an official fix is on the way
[22:25] <yofel> mekeor: that's the workaround
[22:26] <mekeor> yofel: i'll try it
[22:26] <lcb> skyjumper, i had that too in one of the installations. it will go away. i guess it's related to graphics or fonts.
[22:26] <skyjumper> lcb: good to know
[22:26] <hardcold> step21, we are talking about making the launcher permanently shown, but an option to hide on demand
[22:26] <step21> KM0201, you don't have a special program for screenshots right? maybe it's virtualbox's fault http://imagebin.org/149337
[22:26] <hardcold> OUR demand, that is
[22:26] <skyjumper> anyone know how to enable a progress bar for bootup fsck'ing?
[22:26] <step21> hardcold, mmh. okay. but no idea
[22:27] <mekeor> yofel: THX very much!! :)
[22:28] <KM0201> step21: i think it must be vbox's fault.. http://imagebin.org/149338
[22:29] <KM0201> yofel: how do you "enable apport"?
[22:29] <yofel> KM0201: edit /etc/default/apport with sudo, set enabled=1
[22:30] <KM0201> wait nevermind, i see
[22:30] <KM0201> yeah, i actually missed the part where you gave the path
[22:30] <step21> stupid vbox :(
[22:31] <KM0201> step21: its cool for testing.. but not for every day use.. (at least IMO)
[22:31] <KM0201> yofel: that fix came out fast.. that just started a few hours ago.
[22:32] <KM0201> uh oh, ubuntu wallpapers just got an upgrade..lol
[22:32] <yofel> KM0201: well, it was a critical but, as that broke for *everyone*
[22:32] <KM0201> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:32] <step21> yeah, but for certain reasons I often have to use a certain other os anyway, so it's easier to just run linux apps from vbox, because if they crash or do something weird I don't have to care
[22:32] <yofel> *critical bug
[22:32] <KM0201> yofel: true.
[22:33] <KM0201> you know, ubuntu has come a long way w/ wallpapers, since the crap brown ones of pretty much 6.06-7.10
[22:34] <hardcold> KM0201, I've always made my own desktop pictures
[22:34] <KM0201> hardcold: well.. i usually jsut scoured the internet for mine.. but man, Ubuntu's default ones were awful.. nowdays, they aren't so bad..
[22:36] <hardcold> any idea how to turn bluetooth off, and keep that setting after restart, KM0201?
[22:37] <KM0201> hardcold: not a clue, i saw you ask that earlier and was trying to find an answer, and couldn't come up w/ anything
[22:37] <hardcold> k
[22:38] <hardcold> KM0201, I found a thing on turning the applet off from the startup items, but that does just that, althouth the person thougyt it disabled bluetooth! I tried it, but of course bluetooth was still enabled
[22:38] <KM0201> hardcold: right..
[22:39] <KM0201> i'm really not sure, don't really have any bluetooth stuff.
[22:43] <phibxr> did the functionality earlier provided by the screen brightness applet find a new home in Unity, or is it gone? my laptop doesn't have functional screen brightness buttons. :/
[22:45] <lcb> hardcold, try this. ' sudo edit nano /etc/rc.local ' then add: rfkill block bluetooth
[22:46] <lcb> hardcold, try this. ' sudo nano /etc/rc.local ' then add: rfkill block bluetooth
[22:52] <mongy> will gnome3 be available after natty release?
[22:52] <yofel> !gnome3
[22:52] <mongy> k
[23:00] <jester7> I have a weird thing going on where after I login for the first time after a reboot, it will kick back to the login screen after about 1 minute.  Logging back in stays that way until the next reboot.
[23:00] <jester7> I don't even know where to start with that.
[23:08] <step21> any way to remove gwibber/email applets from the top right in unity?
[23:08] <mekeor> step21: yes
[23:08] <mekeor> step21: but i unfortunately dont remember ;P
[23:09] <mekeor> ... dont remember _how_...
[23:10] <mekeor> step21: look at /usr/share/indicators/messages/applications/ (or sth similar)...!
[23:10] <step21> mekeor, I assumed as much ^^
[23:10] <mekeor> and there delete the files
[23:11] <mekeor> not all, of course..
[23:11] <mekeor> and maybe make a copy...
[23:11] <KM0201> mongy: just from personal experience, i woudln't use that PPA
[23:12] <mekeor> does anybody know, whether there is a X-conf-file which says Xorg how to start my fluxbox (or whatever…)??
[23:14] <jester7> Does anybody here actually use gwibber?
[23:14] <mekeor> no one?
[23:14] <mekeor> jester7: me, not. ;P
[23:15] <KM0201> jester7: negative
[23:15] <KM0201> jester7: i would think if there wsa an "app to go" to make the ISO smaller, gwibber would have to be at the top of the list..lol
[23:15] <mekeor> does anybody in here use fluxbox, too?
[23:16] <step2> mmh. didn't work ... gonna try more tomorrow, way too late now ^^
[23:16] <KM0201> i know ubuntu's goal is to keep the ISO's sized to fit on a CD, but you gotta think eventually that is gonna be impossible.
[23:16] <step2> KM0201, they can always drop libreoffice ... kinda pointless on the livecd as well imho
[23:16] <jester7> I think that's half the problem of why I can't find answers...nobody uses the damn thing.
[23:17] <jester7> Facebook simply does not work in Gwibber...
[23:17] <jester7> I don't mean '
[23:17] <KM0201> lol
[23:17] <jester7> "some things" or "it acts weird"  I mean it's non-functional
[23:17]  * KM0201 has never even been to faebook.com
[23:17] <jester7> that...says a lot
[23:19] <step2> jester7, I don't even use evolution to check my mail, but just the website ... though for work I use outlook/exchange
[23:20] <freaky[t]> KM0201, u there?
[23:20] <jester7> step2: I was able to remove the evolution one by removing evolution-indicatior
[23:20] <jester7> evolution-indicator
[23:20] <KM0201> freaky[t]: affirmative.. for af we more minutes
[23:21] <freaky[t]> hi all i got another problem ... pulseaudio keeps readding my Logitech G35. it appears, then disappears again and that all the time ... can anybody help me with this?
[23:21] <freaky[t]> it's a headset
[23:21] <KM0201> blue tooth/
[23:21] <KM0201> ?
[23:22] <freaky[t]> no USB
[23:22] <KM0201> oh
[23:22] <step2> well usb is also kinda tricky, right?
[23:22] <freaky[t]> i dont know i need help ;(
[23:23] <KM0201> well, i don't know your answer, but you must be a serious audiophile.. those are expensive.
[23:23] <KM0201> my $14 skull candy earbuds work great for me... :)
[23:23] <freaky[t]> yea i know their expensive ;)
[23:23] <step2> freaky[t], did they work before?
[23:24] <freaky[t]> before what? no i just installed natty on my desktop pc cant tell if it worked before
[23:24] <freaky[t]> they never worked
[23:24] <freaky[t]> they just disappear/reappear all the time in the sound hardware list
[23:24] <step2> freaky[t], I meant f.e. in an earlier ubuntu version
[23:25] <freaky[t]> cant tell
[23:25] <KM0201> gotta roll all, be back in a while.
[23:26] <step2> freaky[t], well google said it worked ootb in 9.10 :) so should work now ... can you select it when you go to sound settings?
[23:27] <freaky[t]> yes i can select it for a few milliseconds then it disappears again from the soundsettings ... then it reappears again andt hat all t he time
[23:29] <freaky[t]> step2 can u help me? :)
[23:32] <step2> freaky[t], only if google knows sth. Otherwise maybe you could file a bug? It should really work on a fresh install. Or just try a different port?
[23:35] <step2> freaky[t], you could also try looking at logs, see if there is an error
[23:36] <step2> f.e. type "dmesg" in a terminal after it disappears and see if it gives an error
[23:37] <skyjumper> anyone using nouveau on natty?
[23:38] <freaky[t]> step2, ok wait ill reboot into ubuntu now and test it
[23:44] <freakyy[t]> step2, i get this: http://pastie.org/1817241
[23:44] <freakyy[t]> in dmesg
[23:46] <skyjumper> better question, anyone able to use nouveau *without* a "[drm] failed to open device"?
[23:55] <step2> freakyy[t], looks like it's not related to headsets only,  but can happen to usb in general
[23:55] <step2> looking for more ...
[23:56] <freaky[t]> step2, ok cool thank you
[23:57] <freaky[t]> step2, i changed the usb port ill now restart my pc
[23:58] <hardcold> KM0201, my machine is still running
[23:58] <hardcold> KM0201, I don't know what update it was, but one of the many today has sorted out some serious stuff. VERY promising