[02:47] <loadedjd> hello
[02:47] <loadedjd> lets discuss ubuntu
[05:41] <staticshock007> Hello
[05:42] <staticshock007> i'm thinking of updating to 14.10 soon, but am still undecided, has anyone tried the beta releases yet?
[05:42] <staticshock007> any improvement from 14.04?
[05:43] <rww> it's a pretty quiet release
[05:43] <rww> if you have any doubts about whether you want to be on a 6 month release upgrade cycle, I'd stick with LTS
[05:44] <staticshock007> i'm actually torn between staying with LTS and upgrading,
[05:45] <rww> it's easier to change your mind and upgrade later than to change your mind and have to reinstall because we don't support downgrading
[05:45] <staticshock007> I use ubuntu for my daily computing, and i was wondering if there will be any performance improvements if i move over to 14.10
[05:46] <Symmetria> anyone got any idea what time (GMT) we're looking at official release? just wanna make sure our NOC is monitoring the servers we host to make sure there are no problems
[05:47] <rww> staticshock007: doubtful
[05:47] <rww> Symmetria: there isn't a set time
[05:47] <rww> it's done when the release team gets done with their checklist and all
[05:49] <Symmetria> ok, no problems :) I've got our NOC on high alert watching the mirrors we host just in case of any issues
[05:49]  * rww nods
[05:49] <Symmetria> heh, first time the EA mirrors will be seriously stress tested beyond the normal flow of traffic
[05:49] <Symmetria> so watching pretty closely
[05:49] <rww> yeah, the official mirror network gets very fun on release day
[05:49] <rww> good luck :)
[05:49] <staticshock007> :)
[05:49] <Symmetria> lol rww its gets more fun if you considering that the box is official mirror for like 10 countries
[05:50] <Symmetria> I changed the networking config to a 20G LAG yesterday to ensure the capacity was there
[06:38] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:39] <elfy> morning lordievader
[06:40] <lordievader> Hey elfy, how are you doing?
[06:41] <elfy> awake ;)
[08:34] <vitimiti> Hi
[08:34] <elfy> morning vitimiti
[08:35] <vitimiti> Morning, today is the day, isn't it?
[08:35] <Mikaela> !utopic
[08:35] <elfy> the day before we start again :D
[08:36] <vitimiti> I am surprised of how stable this beta has been, I have to say
[08:36] <elfy> it's been pretty much stable for me since November
[09:09] <Keening_Product> I'm not sure if I should ask this here or in #Ubuntu, though #Ubuntu says to direct questions here: what time is the release of the final release?
[09:11] <vitimiti> !utopic
[09:13] <Keening_Product> Thanks. Also, nice bot.
[09:21] <varjag> we need a countdown
[09:21]  * varjag just got a new netbook in the post
[09:26] <vitimiti> There's a party channel
[09:30] <wiky> It's 17:30 here. I can't wait.
[09:33] <Keening_Product> 20:33 here. I'm beginning to suspect it'll be tomorrow here when it's available.
[09:35] <vitimiti> It's 11:35 here
[09:48] <Keening_Product> 20:48 represent
[09:49] <Keening_Product> owait, I've already replied to that
[10:15] <Keening_Product> !isitout
[10:40] <BluesKaj> HI all
[10:46] <Keening_Product> Heyoh
[10:47] <Keening_Product> A question: do all official spins get released at the same time as the main Ubuntu? I know they have the same release date and all, and the release time is TBA, but is there usually a delay?
[10:47] <Keening_Product> (I'm not just being impatient - have to plan evening or weekend around this)
[10:52] <vitimiti> Maybe you should ask in the corresponding channel
[10:54] <BluesKaj> Keening_Product, spins...aka flavours
[10:54] <BluesKaj> and to answer your question , usually yes
[10:56] <BluesKaj> but who knows what time of day the release will take place, that's always a toss up
[10:58] <Keening_Product> BluesKaj, Yep, that's the one. Could only remember the Fedora term for a moment there haha Thanks for the answer :)
[11:00] <BluesKaj> Keening_Product, well , i plan to rake leaves today, no matter what time the release happens :)
[11:03] <Keening_Product> Yeah, I have an assignment tonight, work tomorrow and on the weekend, and a date tomorrow, then need a functioning system come Monday morning haha.
[11:03] <Keening_Product> (I'm upgrading several system componenets, including storage, with this OS update)
[11:08] <BluesKaj> bbiab
[11:45] <lordievader> Are the final iso marked as ready?
[11:46] <lordievader> Hmm, nope. Still testing ;)
[12:08] <Keening_Product> !isitout
[12:11] <lordievader> Keening_Product: Subscribe to the announce mailing list ;)
[12:12] <Keening_Product> Ooooh, didn't know there was such a thing. Noob question: where can I do that?
[12:12] <lordievader> Keening_Product: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-announce
[12:14] <Keening_Product> Thank you!
[14:44] <djzn> is 14.10 going to be released today or is it released without announcements?
[14:45] <vitimiti> Hi
[14:46] <lordievader> I heared it is already available on cdimages.u.c so I suppose the announcement will follow soon.
[14:47] <Symmetria> suspect release is pretty imminent
[14:48] <lordievader> !pm | Symmetria
[14:49] <Symmetria> lol :) no question, just a statement in response to something but all good :)
[14:50] <lordievader> Symmetria: I know, but most people (including me) don't like it when you randomly start PM'ing them.
[14:50] <lordievader> Hmm, guess the factiod changed. Previously it said something along those lines.
[15:01] <bynarie> looks like its available
[15:08] <BluesKaj> bynarie, not yet
[15:21] <wcs_> hi guys!
[15:21] <wcs_> quick question!
[15:21] <wcs_> is going to be released today?
[15:23] <vitimiti> Yes
[15:25] <wcs_> yeey!
[15:25] <wcs_> hahaha
[15:25] <wcs_> ok, just to get sure :P
[15:42] <Fishscene> I'm seeing torrents for 14.10, but I can't tell if it has been officially released yet or not.
[15:42] <Symmetria> fishscene my guess is the answer to that is no
[15:43] <Symmetria> since the standard downloads on the mirror system are still 14.04
[15:43] <Symmetria> and zero hits against the utopic archives on the mirrors yet either
[15:50] <Fishscene> ah- sorry, I should have been a *lot* more clear. I couldn't tell if they were the final-release torrents or not. lol.
[15:59] <rohan> ubottu: isitoutyet
[15:59] <rohan> but distrowatch and canonical press release seem to indicate it's out? https://insights.ubuntu.com/2014/10/23/ubuntu-14-10-desktop-security-for-global-users/
[16:00] <vitimiti> And OMG Ubuntu says so, too
[16:01] <vitimiti> Bye
[16:01] <Symmetria> trust me, its not officially out yet, if it was, I'd be seeing people downloading it from me ;p
[16:04] <elfy> rohan: the canonical press release was out before half the images were marked ready
[16:05] <rohan> Symmetria: how do you mean downoloading from you? you run a mirror?
[16:06] <rohan> elfy: yeah, i guessed so, even the distrowatch link only gives the 64-bit version
[16:08] <Symmetria> rohan I run most of the east african mirrors
[16:08] <rohan> Symmetria: awesome! thanks for your service :)
[16:08] <Symmetria> for ke/zw/za/bw/tz/rw/ug/bi/sd/so/zm/mz/mu
[16:08] <Symmetria> I think thats all the ones I run ;p
[16:52] <djzn> will the main site on canonical have the 14.10 annoncement release?
[17:11] <Fishscene> djzn: Of course. :P
[17:12] <djzn> Fishscene, many places annoucing the release but nothing on ubuntu.com
[17:12] <Fishscene> Although I have to note, I'm not in an authoritative position. But in previous releases, they have had an announcement on the main Ubuntu website.
[17:12] <Fishscene> Yea, people are going to announce it because today is the day it is supposed to be released. But that's a 24-hour Window.
[17:16] <djzn> i was starting to think this  a 'undercover ' release
[17:21] <Mikaela> !utopic
[17:21] <Mikaela> I think there was given some UTC time that isn't yet
[17:22] <Mikaela> no, I am probably confusing it to freeze
[18:10]  * vitimiti is back


[03:31] <ProfessorKaos64> Anyone here going to the Northeast GNU\Linux fest?
[04:34] <lazyPower> ProfessorKaos64: this is the first i've heard of it
[10:46] <rmg51> Morning
[10:51] <JonathanD> Morning.
[13:12] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys, hamsters and everything else
[15:05] <InHisName> Morning guys & gals
[15:13] <InHisName> Didn'
[15:15] <InHisName> Didn't ubuntu used to support 18/36 months for each version/LTS ?    I'm seeing message for a month, now.  Ubuntu no longer supports 13.04 pop up.
[15:47] <lazyPower_> o/
[15:48] <lazyPower_> InHisName: uhh you should be supported until 2015
[15:48] <lazyPower_> oh wait i was thinking of 12.04
[15:49] <lazyPower_> yeah raring was depreciated. the next LTS was targeted for Trusty - 14.04
[15:49] <lazyPower_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[20:39] <square-r00t> pleia2: how to filter tasks in taskwarrior *not* matching a certain tag in taskwarrior 2.x?
[20:40] <pleia2> square-r00t: I don't
[20:40] <pleia2> I am a simple user
[20:41] <square-r00t> booo
[20:42] <square-r00t> what's in the documentation doesn't work. my guess is it's different for 2.x
[21:02] <jthan> taskwarrior++
[21:03] <jthan> but also paper++


[02:15] <draxdeveloper> hello, my ubuntu is random frezzing, i donwload others desktops so i don't know if the problem lies there and how to solve
[02:17] <draxdeveloper> it's a fresh istallation, so i can reinstall, but i don't want :( i like ubuntu studio packges and configurations because i will work with multmedia, but i preffer kde, but i installed gnome and unity to test how the are
[09:22] <zequence> Random freezes sound like a problem with RAM or the GPU
[17:38] <studio-user222> I have tried googling to no success how i might acheive wiping the local hard drive upon reboot. Trying to setup computers for a library and avoid users filling up the drive.
[17:56] <OvenWerks> studio-user222: I have to run right now, but should be back later. It seems a script in /etc/rc.local would do what you want.
[18:03] <studio-user222> thanks OvenWerks, I'll stay online in case you come back. I'm not real savvy and writing scripts or linux in general.
[18:03] <studio-user222> Am just trying to help share access to computers.
[18:06] <krytarik> studio-user222: Would the Guest session be an option?
[19:18] <studio-user222> good idea, i'll look into if that is an option.


[00:00] <TheSheep> Kudi1: you can't
[00:00] <TheSheep> Kudi1: you can put shortcuts to directories
[00:01] <Kudi1> TheSheep: is there a script i can put in there for recent documents ...or trash?
[00:02] <TheSheep> for trash -- yes
[00:04] <TheSheep> Kudi1: this python script will show trash when executed: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/93904/
[00:05] <Kudi1> TheSheep: thanks
[00:06] <TheSheep> Kudi1: save it to some .py file, make it executable and add a launcher to it to your menu
[00:06] <Kudi1> k
[00:09] <Kudi1> TheSheep: chmod? (to make it executable
[00:11] <Kudi1> never mind i got it thanks
[00:14] <Kudi1> if im using a desktop is the power management daemon required?
[00:16] <djbushdio> i don't think its required, but i'm not sure how to remove it...
[00:17] <TheSheep> it's in the autostarted applications
[00:17] <TheSheep> just uncheck it
[00:20] <Kudi1> ya i wasnt sure exacly what it did, thanks
[01:43] <dnyy> I'm thinking about installing xfce, because of the age of my laptop.  My question is, when I log into an xfce session, will it have all my apps and such from my gnome session?  Also, does it install any extra apps?
[01:43] <dnyy> It's a pretty silly question, but I couldn't find a good answer on google.
[01:44] <Odd-rationale> dnyy: yes, it will keep all your gnome apps, there will also be some xfce apps too
[01:45] <Odd-rationale> if you install xubuntu-desktop, that is
[01:45] <dnyy> I'm guessing that's what I'm going to install, whatever gets me the xubuntu DE as I heard it runs good on older computers.
[01:46] <Odd-rationale> some apps may serve the same purpose, like gedit (gnome) and mousepad (xfce)
[01:46] <dnyy> ah, but it's better to have the native one, i'm guessing?
[01:46] <Odd-rationale> yeah...
[01:46] <Odd-rationale> if you decide to remove the gnome stuff, and just have xfce then...
[01:46] <Odd-rationale> !purexfce
[01:47] <dnyy> Another dumb question, when switching between sessions, it saves all my configs right?
[01:47] <Odd-rationale> yeah.
[01:47] <dnyy> alright, thank ya. :)
[02:11] <crazygir> hiya hiya!
[02:12] <crazygir> what's the best way to provide remote desktop access to a xubuntu system running on a remote client (connected to the same windows domain, through vpn)
[02:18] <Odd-rationale> probably vnc probably easier, nx may be better
[02:22] <crazygir> ew
[03:42] <Parvo> can i get CLI help here?
[03:50] <Parvo> hmmm.....i guess im just impatient.
[04:37] <daedhel> hi there
[04:37] <daedhel> is there anyone alive?
[04:49] <Odd-rationale> daedhel: no
[04:50] <daedhel> Odd-rationale: exept you I guess?
[05:25] <CBebop> Hello, I have a problem with xubuntu and recently installed compwiz-fusion. the windows i have open no longer display in the bottom task bar an i do not know why, any help would be appreciated.
[09:15] <Quirko> hi ther
[09:15] <Quirko> someone here???
[09:27] <Myrtti> your patience wasn't.
[09:32] <TheSheep> I will start tracking down those "ask-and-run" users...
[10:29] <PsynoKhi0> heya, I have a question regqrding power management/disk idling in hardy
[10:29] <PsynoKhi0> I've followed the instructions from the ubuntu wiki
[10:31] <PsynoKhi0> the weird thing is that if I switch from battery to AC after logging in, the hdparm value returned by sudo hdparm -I /dev/sda is correct (192 vs 128 on battery), but the hard drive still clicks
[10:32] <PsynoKhi0> also the battery panel applet disappears instead of showing the "on AC power" icon
[10:32] <PsynoKhi0> I have to reboot to get the correct behaviour
[10:32] <PsynoKhi0> (I'm on a laptop)
[10:34] <PsynoKhi0> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerManagement <- the wiki entry I was referring to
[12:36] <kimberlite> hey guys can you ppl help me with the sound?
[12:37] <kimberlite> ??
[12:37] <TheSheep> !ask
[12:38] <kimberlite> TheSheep: did you get my ques?
[12:38] <TheSheep> no
[12:39] <TheSheep> kimberlite: ask on the channel
[12:39] <kimberlite> TheSheep: See, I am new to xubuntu, even linux, I have installed xubuntu now, but don't know why I can't listen to music
[12:40] <TheSheep> !mp3
[12:40] <TheSheep> kimberlite: ubuntu doesn't come with codecs for mp3 by default, because of legal issues
[12:41] <kimberlite> TheSheep: not the mp3s, i can't listen to videos on youtube
[12:42] <magic_ninja> i'm doing a net install froma  usb drive, i have gotten the installer to work fine but its not detecting my usb cable modem, any ideas on getting the usb cable modem detected so i can use dhcp to get the network
[12:42] <TheSheep> !flash | kimberlite
[12:43] <TheSheep> magic_ninja: I think the installer has an option to load additional modules at some point
[12:43] <TheSheep> magic_ninja: you can tell it to load the firmware for your modem there
[12:43] <magic_ninja> it doesn't give that option
[12:44] <TheSheep> magic_ninja: right after 'detecting network hardware'
[12:44] <kimberlite> TheSheep: C'mon I have successfully installed flash player by adding plugin to firefox. Video play but I can't hear anything, I can't hear anything from my speaker
[12:44] <vidd> magic_ninja, what are you trying to load a modual for?
[12:45] <vidd> kimberlite, open your volume manager and max out PCM
[12:45] <magic_ninja> i use a usb cable modem
[12:45] <magic_ninja> i need the net install done over this modem
[12:45] <kimberlite> vidd: where is the volume manager?
[12:46] <TheSheep> kimberlite: the whistle icon on your panel
[12:46] <vidd> kimberlite, it is the speaker icon on your task bar
[12:46] <vidd> (depending on the icon theme, apparently)
[12:46] <kimberlite> vidd: I am new to linux, I am sorry. Thanks vidd
[12:47] <kimberlite> vidd: it worked. I am so stupid
[12:47] <TheSheep> no need to be sorry
[12:47] <vidd> kimberlite, we were all "new to linux: at one time or another
[12:47] <vidd> kimberlite, it took me a while to figure that out myself =]
[12:48] <kimberlite> vidd: that makes me feel good! anyways, how can i install codecs for playing mp3s?
[12:48]  * vidd has no idea.....
[12:49] <vidd> i use gxine for all my media
[12:49] <TheSheep> kimberlite: follow these instructions
[12:49] <vidd> and "libxine1-ffmpeg" pretty much adds all the codecs i need
[12:49] <TheSheep> !mp3 | kimberlite
[12:50] <TheSheep> kimberlite: the second link
[12:51] <kimberlite> vidd: what is xine?
[12:52] <kimberlite> vidd: i have only listen music player that came with xubuntu
[12:53] <vidd> !gxine | kimberlite
[12:53] <vidd> !xine | kimberlite
[12:53] <gnomefreak> !find xine
[12:53] <vidd> gxine is a multi-media player
[12:54] <kimberlite> vidd: can i install it from the synaptic package manager?
[12:54] <vidd> it works with the xine audio/video back-end
[12:54] <vidd> listen and totem are media players with the gstreamer audeo/video backend
[12:55] <vidd> yes...gxine is in the repos
[12:57] <kimberlite> vidd: how can i find it in synaptic ?
[12:57] <vidd> erm...open synaptic and scroll to the "gx"'s
[12:58] <vidd> or... open terminal and type "sudo apt-get install gxine"
[13:00] <kimberlite> vidd: I am using proxy to connect to the internet, does the terminal works that way and download, coz it has been showing 0% only
[13:00] <kimberlite> it says it felt tofetch
[13:01] <vidd> kimberlite, i have no idea
[13:01] <vidd> i dont work with proxy's
[13:01] <vidd> =[
[13:01] <vidd> failed to fetch what?
[13:02] <kimberlite> vidd: failed to fetch archive, unable to resolve np.archive.ubuntu.com...
[13:02] <kimberlite> vidd: it may be becoz i am using proxy
[13:03] <kimberlite> vidd: but i can connect to internet that way only. any way out? its a http proxy
[13:03] <vidd> type "nslookup np.archive.ubuntu.com"
[13:04] <kimberlite> vidd: it says connection timed out.
[13:04] <kimberlite> anyway to access the repository via proxy?
[13:05] <vidd> yes there is....but i do not know how to set it up
[13:05] <vidd> as i said....i dont work with proxies
[13:05] <vidd> !proxy
[13:06] <vidd> nope....that wont help =[
[13:06] <kimberlite>  why don't ppl out here help me out?
[13:07] <vidd> most ppl that do not know an answer just say nothing and wait for someone that has the answer to speak....
[13:07] <vidd> this way they can learn as well
[13:08] <vidd> kimberlite, this might help you :http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1839.html
[13:09] <vidd> kimberlite, as i said...i have never used proxies...so i dont know if this will or will not help....please let me know how it works out?
[13:14] <vidd> kimberlite, did that help?
[13:16] <vidd> kimberlite, if not, check out http://blog.mypapit.net/2006/02/how-to-use-apt-get-behind-proxy-server-ubuntudebian.html
[13:17] <kimberlite> vidd: that didn't help
[13:17] <kimberlite> vidd: i should check this out
[13:19] <vidd> kimberlite, if your proxy has a password, read the comments for modifications to NOT store passwords in plain text
[13:19] <kimberlite> vidd: the proxy doesn't have password
[13:21] <vidd> +}
[13:21] <vidd> =]
[13:21] <vidd> success?
[13:22] <kimberlite> vidd: how to edit a file through the terminal?
[13:22] <kimberlite> vidd: how to edit bash.bashrc?
[13:22] <kimberlite> i know some of the commands, but don't know this
[13:23] <vidd> kimberlite, "sudo mouspad /etc/bash/bash.rc
[13:23] <vidd> kimberlite, "sudo mouspad /etc/bash/bashrc
[13:23] <vidd> gggrrrr.
[13:23] <vidd> kimberlite, "sudo mouspad /etc/bash.bashrc"
[13:24] <vidd> there...thats the right command =]
[13:24] <vidd> ACK! i spelled mousepad wrong!
[13:24] <vidd> kimberlite, "sudo mousepad /etc/bash.bashrc"
[13:27] <vidd> kimberlite, i believe you may need to relaunch your /etc/bash.bashrc once your finished editing it
[13:27] <kimberlite> vidd:i opened it, added the code and saved it and closed it
[13:28] <vidd> kimberlite, you need to reload your /etc/bash.bashrc
[13:28] <kimberlite> vidd: how to?
[13:28] <vidd> does "sudo /etc/bash.bashrc" do anything?
[13:29] <vidd> then reboot
[13:29] <vidd> kimberlite, the only way i know is to reboot
[13:29] <kimberlite> vidd: no, so i have to reboot?
[13:30] <vidd> kimberlite, while im sure there IS a way to do this without a reboot, i do not know it off the top of my head
[13:30] <vidd> and you will be back up before i could locate non-reboot method =]
[13:30] <kimberlite> vidd: no, so i have to reboot?
[13:30] <kimberlite> vidd: i wil be back, bye
[13:30] <kimberlite> vidd: thanks
[13:30] <vidd> =]
[13:43] <Kimberlite> vidd: god, it didn't work out
[13:43] <vidd> Kimberlite, what is your http proxy?
[13:44] <Kimberlite> its a lan proxy
[13:44] <Kimberlite> vidd: <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:44] <vidd> ok...but what is it?
[13:44] <Kimberlite> vidd: <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:45] <vidd> what port #?
[13:45] <Kimberlite> port 80
[13:45] <vidd> Kimberlite, thats not a proxy =\
[13:46] <vidd> but anywhat....
[13:46] <Kimberlite> c'mon i am in the irc with this proxy
[13:46] <Kimberlite> vidd: what it is then?
[13:46] <vidd> export http_proxy=http://<IP_ADDRESS>:80/
[13:46] <vidd> is this what you added to bash.bashrc?
[13:47] <Kimberlite> i did the same
[13:47] <Kimberlite> yes
[13:47] <vidd> can you ping <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[13:49] <vidd> Kimberlite, can you ping <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[13:49] <Kimberlite> vidd: it is stucked
[13:49] <vidd> in terminal type "ping <IP_ADDRESS>" (ctrl+c to cancel pinging)
[13:50] <Kimberlite> PING failed it seems
[13:50] <vidd> when you say it is stuck....is it continually pinging? or is it not showing anything?
[13:50] <Kimberlite> coz it said 100% packet loss
[13:50] <Kimberlite> it is not showing anything
[13:51] <vidd> when you hit [ctrl]+[c], what does it say?
[13:51] <Kimberlite> 108 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% loss
[13:53] <vidd> Kimberlite, im at a loss
[13:53]  * vidd has no other ideas
[13:53] <vidd> what did you do to set up your proxy in chat?
[13:55] <Kimberlite> i use mibbit
[13:56] <Kimberlite> otherwise irc doesn't work with chatzilla
[13:56] <Kimberlite> vidd:
[13:58] <vidd> so you are chatting in mibbit?
[13:58] <Kimberlite> vidd: yes
[13:58] <vidd> ok...that doesnt help me any =\
[13:58] <vidd> how do you look at web pages? firefox?
[13:58] <Kimberlite> vidd: yes
[13:59] <Kimberlite> vidd: i configure in the preferences of firefox
[13:59] <Kimberlite> i seems to work fine
[14:00] <vidd> and im sure it does.....but i want to know what is listed in the proxy info in the app....
[14:00] <Kimberlite> vidd: http proxy : <IP_ADDRESS> port: 80
[14:01] <vidd> but where is it?
[14:01] <Kimberlite> edit>preferences>network>settings
[14:02] <vidd> i found it
[14:02] <vidd> did you auto-detect or maunuall state proxy?
[14:03] <Kimberlite> vidd: manual
[14:04] <vidd> all internet traffic is run thru this proxy?
[14:05] <Kimberlite> yes.
[14:05] <Kimberlite> but ircs don't work, and not even Pidgin.
[14:05] <Kimberlite> vidd: with xp, all the programs seem to work
[14:10] <Kimberlite> anyways vidd, thanks a lot, u helped me fix my speaker!
[14:10] <Kimberlite> at least i can listen to youtube videos
[14:10] <Kimberlite> thanks, gtg
[17:46] <charlie-tca> Using Xubuntu 8.10 Desktop CD, local drives are not mounted automatically. Is this as designed so that it does not interfere with gparted during installation?
[18:27] <coldhak> what's the xfce package called? i don't want to install all of the xubuntu-desktop stuff, just xfce
[18:28] <coldhak> i found it
[18:28] <knome> coldhak, xfce4 ?
[18:28] <knome> np.
[18:28] <coldhak> :) thanks
[18:31] <Shootdown> hi
[18:31] <vidd> hello Shootdown
[18:31] <Shootdown> one easy question ?
[18:31] <vidd> !ask
[18:31] <Shootdown> one easy question, can I run Gnome/KDE apps on xubuntu ?
[18:31] <vidd> absolutely
[18:32] <Shootdown> ok
[18:32] <Shootdown> thanks
[18:32] <vidd> you can run any app you want
[18:32] <vidd> (as long as its runnable under linux)
[18:32] <Shootdown> i'm newbie on Ubuntu and I want to install a Ubuntu distro on my old PC
[18:32] <vidd> xubuntu aint just for lightweights anymore =]
[18:34] <Shootdown> and xubuntu has gtk out-the-box ?
[18:35] <Shootdown> vidd: and xubuntu has gtk out-the-box ?
[18:35] <knome> Shootdown, yes.
[18:35] <Shootdown> ok
[18:35] <Shootdown> thanks
[18:43] <sinbox> \o vidd you around?
[18:44] <vidd> .0/ sinbox  yeah
[18:45] <sinbox> is slim easy to configure?  I was reading through the xdm manual and got confused long before I got very far :)
[18:45] <vidd> sinbox, not really....
[18:45] <vidd> the only tweeking i did was add to the PATH
[18:46] <vidd> just make sure you install hal to get your keyboard and mouse working =]
[18:46] <sinbox> hehe thanks I'll give it a go after the weekend, already messed up fluxbox and xorg enough times for one week :)
[18:47] <vidd> =]
[18:47] <vidd> <o.
[18:57]  * sinbox is off to work, take it easy all
[18:57] <knome> sure.
[19:35] <knome> !pastebin
[19:45] <jarnos> Some icons have changed in my panel? (e.g. Quit dialog icon and NetworkManager Applet icon) Why?
[19:45] <knome> jarnos, did you change the icon theme?
[19:45] <jarnos> knome: not intentionally :|
[19:46] <knome> jarnos, did you upgrade?
[19:46] <jarnos> knome: many days ago, but I think the icons did not change right after that.
[19:51] <jarnos> knome: I checked User interface preferences and icon theme "Tango" was highlighted. However icons looked like "Crystal SVG". Changing to some other and back to Tango fixed it.
[19:52] <knome> jarnos, ok...
[19:52] <knome> jarnos, file a bug maybe?
[19:52] <jarnos> knome: They would ask me for instructions on how to reproduce the bug.
[19:53] <knome> jarnos, just add it and paste me the bug.
[19:53] <knome> (#)
[19:56] <jarnos> knome: Bug #305573
[19:58] <knome> jarnos, ok thanks.
[20:33] <balluche> hello !
[20:34] <knome> hello
[20:36] <balluche> i would like to know if there is a simple way to connect to window's shares as of nautilus in ubuntu.
[20:36] <balluche> any help ?
[20:38] <knome> !samba | balluche
[20:50] <balluche> yes but i mean in graphical way ;-)
[20:51] <knome> system > shared folders
[20:51] <balluche> i want to access shared folders in a windows host
[20:52] <knome> have to go soon. charlie-tca ?
[20:52] <charlie-tca> I don´t know how to. I don´t run any windows for about 5 years
[20:53] <balluche> i know nautilus is capable to access the windows network without the need for mouting at hand
[20:53] <balluche> but i use xubuntu (xfce)
[20:53] <knome> balluche, if you definitely want, you can install nautilus on xubuntu as well
[20:54] <charlie-tca> You could try opening thunar, click on GO, click Open Location?
[20:56] <balluche> ok. what's next ?
[21:16] <charlie-tca> I think fill in the blanks. I don´t know what the right answers are for your system.
[21:22] <balluche> ok, i found it http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304131 (fusesmb)
[22:27] <crav> how can i install compiz-fusion on xubuntu, im getting "not found" in the repos
[22:30] <cody-somerville> crav, http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2007/12/09/xubuntu-compiz-pretty-pretty-xubuntu/
[22:30] <knome> cody-somerville, :] again
[22:31] <cody-somerville> knome, :)
[22:31] <cody-somerville> knome, having fun?
[22:31] <knome> cody-somerville, yeah
[22:31] <knome> cody-somerville, a bit tired, it's half past midnight @finland :)
[22:33] <knome> cody-somerville, and you?
[22:36] <cody-somerville> always
[22:36] <knome> hah :)
[22:36] <knome> you're barely ever online except now in fosscamp ;)
[22:36] <knome> so i wouldn't know
[23:23] <CBebop> Hello, I am using Xubuntu 8.10 with compiz-fusion, and when I boot up the taskbars, panels whatever you want to call them come up fine but do not update say when i open a window or connect to a wireless netowrk. I know they are loading there as i can click where programs
[23:23] <CBebop> "Should" be but it wont show unless i resize the bar, or change it in some way where it has to reload.
[23:24] <CBebop> After i resize/whatever, it works fine from then on out, just kind of an annoyance i Have to do it when i boot.
[23:24] <CBebop> Any solutions or thoughts?
[23:38] <forces> saluton
[23:39] <knome> 'lo.
[23:40] <forces> o7


 Fine, lots to do though setting up various test envs :-)
[14:17] <elopio> vila: I can imagine. Exciting times ahead :)
[14:17] <vila> yup !
[14:17] <vila> elopio: how about you ?
[14:18] <elopio> vila: doing good :) Lots of devices to play with, I need a bigger desk now.
[14:18] <vila> hehe
[14:18] <vila> elopio: I got my cubox running trusty, I'm digging to put snappy there too
[14:20] <elopio> vila: what do you use it for?
[14:21] <vila> elopio: test box for now, once I don't need it anymore, I'd like to put a freedombox on it and owncloud, stuff like that
[14:47] <balloons> good day to you both vila and elopio
[14:48] <vila> balloons: and good day to you sir !
[16:22] <elopio> hello balloons!
[16:26] <balloons> Hola elopio. es pruebas de ubuntu! Ahora, con más español :-)
[16:37] <elopio> balloons: "es pruebas de ubuntu", no entiendo :)
[16:38] <elopio> balloons: hey, you should dogfood your ubuntu phone in spanish. Test the nice translations that rvr and the community are doing.
[16:38] <rvr> :)
[16:39] <balloons> ;-( pruebas de software, así que pensé "pruebas de ubuntu" para "Ubuntu Testing?"
[16:39] <balloons> elopio, buena idea!
[16:40] <elopio> balloons: sí, "pruebas de ubuntu" está bien. Lo que no entiendí fue el contexto.
[16:44] <balloons> elopio, pura vida. The context is whatever conversation is happening in my brain. That can make for some weird statements I know ;-)
[16:45] <elopio> balloons: I'm just noticing that we generally are not in sync, and the language is not the problem as I thought before :)
[16:46] <balloons> hehe
[16:49] <balloons> elopio, tú ser más loco como mí? You just need to be crazier like me.. it would all make sense then right?
[16:56] <elopio> balloons: "tu solo tienes que ser más loco, como yo"
[16:56] <elopio> yes, or you have to slow donw like me. Both will work.
[20:13] <josharenson> ping cachio?
[20:16] <cachio> josharenson, yes
[20:16] <josharenson> Question about https://trello.com/c/1uw3r2ZN/111-qa-supplied-helpers-integrated-into-upstream-unity8-along-with-tests-to-indicate-break-item1-shell
[20:16] <josharenson> Just a bit confused about where this https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-system-tests/trunk/view/head:/ubuntu_system_tests/helpers/unity8/shell.py is suppose to go
[20:17] <josharenson> cachio: some of it seems redundant (except for get_number_of_sessions) and I just wanted to clarify
[20:20] <cachio> josharenson, I'm not sure because I didn't work on this, let me take a look
[20:21] <josharenson> cachio: sure thing, elopio said you were the best person to talk to about it, but take all the time you need
[20:26] <cachio> josharenson, ok, sorry for the delay
[20:26] <cachio> josharenson, by the way the path is http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-system-tests/trunk/view/head:/ubuntu_system_tests/helpers/unity8/shell.py
[20:29] <cachio> josharenson, you should just move the non redundant code
[20:32] <t1mp> hello. I'm having some unexpected failures when I run autopilot tests on a nexus4: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11883293/
[20:33] <t1mp> any ideas what may be causing this?
[20:34] <balloons> t1mp, did you keep a good connection during the run?
[20:35] <t1mp> balloons: you mean between my laptop and the device? I assume so. How can I know for sure?
[20:36] <balloons> t1mp, looking at the log, my first thought was the application was crashing before anything could happen. But it's different than I usually see
[20:37] <balloons> I see the UbuntuAppLaunch.stop_application(app_id), and then the Mir error
[20:37] <cachio> josharenson, so what elopio requested is to move this class to the file /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/unity8/shell/emulators.py and start using this class as it is used as part of the system tests
[20:38] <cachio> josharenson, what do you think it is redundant?
[20:38] <balloons> t1mp, you could always try ssh'ing in and executing directly on the device if you suspect something with the connection
[20:39] <t1mp> balloons: yeah I can try that first. We have a script that runs a lot of tests, but I can first try to start individual tests from the device
[20:39] <balloons> yea, I suspected you are running the uitk tests
[20:40] <balloons> you can also ping the rest of the folks to have a look; perhaps they have more insight.. Or just blame veebers :p
[20:41]  * veebers ears perk up
[20:41] <veebers> balloons: is there something I could potentially help with
[20:42] <balloons> veebers, have you ever seen something like this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/11883293/
[20:43] <veebers> balloons: no I haven't, looks like dbus or something either crashed or errored. Is there anything in /var/crash
[20:43] <balloons> not that I want to distract from getting a release out :p
[20:44] <balloons> veebers, thanks for having a look. Just thought it was worth asking if it was a known thing. I suspect crashing or connection issues also
[20:44] <josharenson> cachio: well, emulators is deprecated in favor of helpers, which already handles unlock, and the greeter helper already handles wait_for_greeter, and the current emulator imports main_window
[20:50] <cachio> josharenson, ok, in that case just adding get_number_of_sessions should be enough
[20:50] <josharenson> cachio: ok, I'll add that and write a simple test to make sure it works, thanks
[20:50] <josharenson> cachio: can I add you as a reviewer for that when I'm done?
[20:50] <cachio> josharenson, you are welcome
[20:50] <cachio> josharenson, sure, thanks
[21:12] <t1mp> veebers: yes, this is in /var/crash: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11884759/
[21:13] <t1mp> quite big files
[21:14] <veebers> t1mp: t1mp are those generated during your test run? If so it might indicate that something is crashing during it
[21:16] <t1mp> I didn't check the directory before, but I was running the tests around the time those files were created
[21:17] <t1mp> hmm
[21:17] <t1mp> I wonder if ofono might crash when I don't have a sim card in that device
[21:17] <veebers> t1mp: which release are you running?
[21:17] <t1mp> for the tests ofono should mock the gsm connection right?
[21:18] <t1mp> mako r190


[16:36] <tyhicks> hello
[16:36] <mdeslaur> \o
[16:36] <tyhicks> #startmeeting
[16:36] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Feb 22 16:36:18 2016 UTC.  The chair is tyhicks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:36] <tyhicks> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[16:36] <tyhicks> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:36] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Announcements
[16:36] <tyhicks> Gianfranco Costamagna (locutusofborg) provided debdiffs for precise-wily for virtualbox-guest-additions-iso and a debdiff for wily for virtualbox-ext-pack (LP: #1540243)
[16:36] <tyhicks> Vlad Orlov (monsta) provided debdiffs for precise-xenial for gtk+2.0 (LP: #1540811)
[16:36] <tyhicks> Thank you for your assistance in keeping Ubuntu users secure! :)
[16:36] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:36] <tyhicks> jdstrand: you're up
[16:37] <jdstrand> hey
[16:37] <jdstrand> last week I made come good progress on the review tools and squashfs. I'm hoping to finish that up that week, then move on to snappy skills
[16:37] <jdstrand> I also have an embargoed issue I need to get to
[16:38] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you're up
[16:38] <mdeslaur> I'm testing a cpio update, after that I want to test the new ca-certificates and related package updates in the proposed ppa for releasing this week
[16:38] <mdeslaur> after that, I might start backporting the newer sudo to stable releases to finally fix the time issue
[16:38] <mdeslaur> that's it from me
[16:38] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: you're it
[16:39] <sbeattie> I'm on community this week
[16:39] <sbeattie> kernel updates are happening today, I think, and I have an embargoed issue
[16:40] <sbeattie> I need to finish my thoughts on the pie stuff
[16:40] <sbeattie> I also have some apparmor tasks to osrt out.
[16:40] <sbeattie> That's probably it for my week
[16:40] <sbeattie> tyhicks: you're up
[16:42] <tyhicks> I'm on bug triage this week
[16:42] <tyhicks> my focus will be on finishing the AppArmor stacking changes needed for the parser
[16:42] <tyhicks> I'll also fix the eCryptfs parallel copy file corruption bug (LP: #1543633)
[16:42] <tyhicks> that's it for me
[16:42] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[16:43] <tyhicks> oh, I don't think he's around yet
[16:43] <tyhicks> sarnold: go ahead
[16:44] <sarnold> I'm on cve triage this week
[16:45] <sarnold> I'm working on the zfs MIR, will probably finish that today if the cve triage isn't too deep
[16:45] <sarnold> I think the next MIR up is fwupd, not sure what's after that but I seem to recall a pretty deep queue
[16:46] <sarnold> oh yeah, someone wnated me to skim the new fwupdate code, that ought to be quick
[16:46] <sarnold> I'll try to get to an apparmor patch or two along the way
[16:46] <sarnold> that's it for me, chrisccoulson?
[16:46] <chrisccoulson> I've got Oxide and Thunderbird updates to get out this week
[16:48] <chrisccoulson> I'll also be spending some time working through convergence-related tasks. I put together a list of bugs last week (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oxide/+spec/converged-device-support)
[16:48] <chrisccoulson> Other than that, I've got some embargoed stuff
[16:49] <chrisccoulson> That's me done
[16:50] <tyhicks> thanks!
[16:51] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[16:51] <tyhicks> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[16:51] <tyhicks> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[16:51] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/python-rsa.html
[16:51] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/castor.html
[16:51] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/xorg-server-lts-utopic.html
[16:51] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libapache-poi-java.html
[16:51] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/fso-usaged.html
[16:51] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[16:51] <tyhicks> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[16:52] <sarnold> "Pure Python RSA implementation" .. yikes
[16:54] <tyhicks> :)
[16:54] <tyhicks> jdstrand, mdeslaur, sbeattie, jjohansen, sarnold, ChrisCoulson: Thanks!
[16:54] <tyhicks> #endmeeting
[16:54] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Feb 22 16:54:37 2016 UTC.
[16:54] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-02-22-16.36.moin.txt
[16:54] <sarnold> thanks tyhicks!
[16:54] <mdeslaur> thanks tyhicks
[16:54] <sbeattie> tyhicks: thanks!
[17:10] <jdstrand> thanks tyhicks :)


[15:56] <Maik> oxfuxxx: mind looking at your connection issue please? :)
[15:58] <oxfuxxx> Maik: it's 4G, i don't get enough receiption sometimes, i switch to wifi when i can, just /ignore me if the join/quot msgs bugs you.
[15:58] <Maik> roger


[19:58] <don> does dvlug still meet at lascala?
[21:17] <aidian> our linux foundation energy presentation @lugod was neat
[21:34] <don> is @grantbow grant from dvlug? Do you guys still meet at lascala?
[21:45] <aidian> i think yes, but idk where dvlug meets


[17:51] <Leftmost> Why are there still no translations for firefox-3.5 in the language packs?
[17:52] <Polt{laptop}> I am about to enable jackd and I just finished enabling timidity
[17:52] <Polt{laptop}> I am wondering about grub2 working on this nvidia card
[17:53] <Dr_Willis> hmmm Grub2 works on my 8800gtsxxx
[17:55] <Polt{laptop}> I have an 8400 gs on this system but it seems to not boot
[17:56] <Polt{laptop}> and I now have this message when things are starting up "bar 6 address space collision"
[17:57] <Polt{laptop}> it boots into the new kernel via the intel chipset that is onboard but it gives me that space collision message beforehand
[17:58] <Polt{laptop}> the problem is that I cannot boot into X with my i810 and I don't know how to configure my wifi connection via the terminal or re-setup X ... has been a long time since I have had to do that on this machine
[17:59] <Polt{laptop}> in order for me to continue updating things that will be required
[18:02] <Polt{laptop}> oh well ... I taught myself how to reconfig X now but I can't hotplug on this machine
[18:03] <Polt{laptop}> if I could hotplug I would not have to boot this machine all weird and that might save me a few problems when trying to boot but for now I can only boot via the live DVD / CD and my system doesn't boot from DVD's
[18:17] <keith_> Does anyone know if there is a fix for bug 424425? Or should I just wait for them to fix it in the repos?
[18:21] <keith_> What exactly does "fix released" mean, anyway?
[18:22] <mac_v> keith_: is that a trick question ? ;p
[18:23] <keith_> lol, well... I'm still having the problem when I try to upgrade, so it doesn't seem released enough.
[18:23] <Dr_Willis> a fix has been found and submitted?
[18:23] <Dr_Willis> ive not tried to update from grub1 to grub2
[18:23] <mac_v> Dr_Willis: nope , it means released
[18:24] <mac_v> keith_: which package?
[18:24] <keith_> Dr_Willis, The issue is that they aren't automatically upgrading grub-legacy
[18:25] <Dr_Willis> I recall seeing that mentioned in the forum/things.. :) they couldent do it safely...
[18:25] <keith_> mac_v, I'm referring to bug 424425
[18:26] <keith_> There are no issues if you install 9.10, but systems that upgraded from 9.04 fail on today's updates.
[18:26] <mac_v> keith_: see the latest comments ;p
[18:26] <Dr_Willis> I never do upgrades...
[18:26] <keith_> Dr_Willis, I thought I would give it a try.
[18:26] <mac_v> keith_: it might just be ... you havent received the latest packages[check version]
[18:27] <Dr_Willis> I normally do a upgrade.. report any bugs.. then do a clean install... :)
[18:27] <Pici> us.archive.ubuntu.com only has up to 1.97~beta1-1ubuntu3
[18:28] <keith_> ah... it's ubuntu4 that has the fix?
[18:28] <Pici> Yes.
[18:29] <keith_> So, if I try later... it should magically work?
[18:30] <mac_v> yup
[18:39] <reggieP123> hey folks is there a way to extract kernel from karmic to transfer to Jaunty ??
[18:40] <reggieP123> or am I stuck with what I have
[18:40] <reggieP123> and the reason I ask is because karmic seems to resolve a ton of issues I have been experiencing with Jaunty for one intermittent wifi performance is fixed , sound with my intel HDA digital sound device is fixed
[18:41] <reggieP123> so any help with this would be appreciated
[18:41] <reggieP123> kinda scared to just jump on the Alpha 5 bandwagon although it seems stable as hell
[18:42] <nemo> reggieP123: oh. why would you want to do that?
[18:42] <nemo> reggieP123: but. is pretty easy. there's a nice pinning writeup
[18:42] <nemo> I switched to karmic kernel in jaunty due to that major foulup in the sauce patches that screwed up ext4
[18:43] <reggieP123> ahh cool I want ot do it to fix my current issues with sound and wifi performance
[18:43] <nemo> reggieP123: you can also do a mainline kernel
[18:43] <reggieP123> do yo uhave the link on how and where I can do that
[18:44] <nemo> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[18:44] <nemo> can just use that.
[18:44] <nemo> looking up the nice pinning writeup though
[18:45] <reggieP123> nice thank you very much hopefuly this will give me some peace
[18:45] <nemo> hm
[18:45] <nemo> http://archives.free.net.ph/message/20090603.191957.2467efd9.ja.html - this is NOT the one I used last time
[18:45] <nemo> this guy did a more complicated pin
[18:45] <nemo> um. let me fire up my laptop - maybe it is in my firefox history :)
[18:46] <reggieP123> ok cool what kind of laptop do you have nemo
[18:46] <nemo> but. yeah. just installing the .deb works
[18:46] <nemo> cheapo dell from workplace w/ sucky sound card
[18:46] <nemo> and intel graphics
[18:47] <Polt{laptop}> nemo you sound like you have something similar going on to what I have
[18:47] <reggieP123> ahh ok I am using an hp dv7 with nvidia graphics and intel hda sound
[18:47] <nemo> Polt{laptop}: I've been following the bugs on sound in karmic
[18:47] <Polt{laptop}> I am trying to get my setup to boot into X with this i810 chipset and it will not
[18:47] <nemo> Polt{laptop}: oh. that was moderately annoying
[18:47] <reggieP123> well no issues with sound running karmic issues is with Jaunty and old kernel I believe
[18:48] <nemo> but it booted ok off of CD when I set no acpi / apic  and checked off free software only
[18:48] <Polt{laptop}> and for some reason my Acer x193w monitor does not want to boot with my nvidia chipset
[18:48] <Polt{laptop}> it just reboots
[18:48] <nemo> Polt{laptop}: and then it worked ok from then on
[18:48] <DKcross> any  can run splashy in karmic?
[18:48] <Polt{laptop}> and to top things off my audio doesn't work either
[18:48] <nemo> Polt{laptop}: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/400682
[18:48] <Polt{laptop}> DKcross it won't load the splash screen for the nvidia but does for the i810 chipset
[18:49] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/411574
[18:49] <DKcross> :o
[18:49] <nemo> Polt{laptop}: I'm hoping one of those bugs is also mine
[18:49] <reggieP123> hey nemo I was just reading the pinnup would I need ot add karmic source list ?
[18:49] <nemo> since the specs match my sucky system
[18:49] <nemo> reggieP123: well. just the one karmic line
[18:49] <reggieP123> really ?
[18:50] <nemo> Package: *
[18:50] <nemo> Pin: release a=karmic
[18:50] <nemo> Pin-Priority: 50
[18:50] <nemo> reggieP123: that was the pin I used btw
[18:50] <nemo> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ karmic main restricted
[18:50] <reggieP123> that would not screw up anything else on my system would it ? :(
[18:50] <nemo> and that in sources.list
[18:50] <nemo> reggieP123: I think if you just add those. that should be all you need
[18:50] <nemo> then just install the kernel version you want
[18:50] <reggieP123> sory just a win admin trying to learn Linux
[18:52] <nemo> reggieP123: just try that simple pin first
[18:52] <wastrel> my scim bug hasn't been fixed yet even though i reported it yesterday
[18:52] <nemo> those 3 lines, then the deb line in your sources.list
[18:52] <nemo> wastrel: kind of impatient aren't you :)
[18:52] <wastrel> i did my part!
[18:54] <Polt{laptop}> ok I switched it to the intel driver
[18:54] <Polt{laptop}> I got that working for now
[18:54] <Polt{laptop}> since my nvidia driver will not work
[18:54] <nemo> Polt{laptop}: mm. interesting. dunno. my one machine w/ nvidia card works fine in karmic
[18:54] <nemo> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G72 [GeForce 7300 LE] (rev a1)
[18:55] <reggieP123> thank you nemo
[18:55] <reggieP123> will definitely try
[18:55] <Polt{laptop}> and my audio worked
[18:55] <Polt{laptop}> :D
[18:55] <Polt{laptop}> I just commented out my nvidia section in xorg.conf and replaced it with intel since that is all that is working on this machine for the time being
[18:56] <shadeslayer> how do i mount my blackberry via bluetooth in KDE?
[18:56] <nemo> Polt{laptop}: 185.18.36
[18:56] <Polt{laptop}> I have it
[18:56] <nemo> Polt{laptop}: is my nvidia driver - what's yours?
[18:56] <nemo> ok
[18:56] <Polt{laptop}> it isn't the driver
[18:56] <Polt{laptop}> it is the computer
[18:57] <shadeslayer> i want to just copy and paste the files into my blackberry 9500
[18:57] <Polt{laptop}> this is a shame that I cannot revert back to my old grub
[18:58] <nemo> http://linuxappfinder.com/blog/transferring_files_over_bluetooth_using_a_blackberry_curve_pearl_8800
[18:58]  * nemo JFGI'd
[18:58] <nemo> Polt{laptop}: you switched to grub2 ?
[18:58] <Polt{laptop}> with that at least I could boot with the nvidia
[18:58] <Polt{laptop}> yes nemo
[18:59] <shadeslayer> nemo: i want to mount the device
[19:00] <nemo> shadeslayer: mount it. not just use a client
[19:00] <nemo> shadeslayer: using fuse I suppose?
[19:02] <nemo> shadeslayer: it appears there is a fuse project for bluetooth
[19:02] <shadeslayer> nemo: i have no idea of the underlying framework.... i want to use it as a partition.///
[19:02] <nemo> http://simbot.wordpress.com/2006/06/04/bluetooth-fuse-obexfs-under-debian/
[19:02] <nemo> shadeslayer: well. obviously it wouldn't be a *partition*
[19:02] <nemo> that's a completely different concept :-p
[19:02] <nemo> but w/ fuse you can even use gmail as a filesystem ;)
[19:02] <Polt{laptop}> you know ... I did have this svideo adapter that plugged into a monitor port ... I could have used that to route my nvidia back to my intel chipset's display port to get the nvidia to force boot maybe
[19:02] <Polt{laptop}> I need to find that
[19:02] <shadeslayer> nemo: of course.... i meant a partition is the best way i can describe what i want to do
[19:03] <nemo> http://dev.zuckschwerdt.org/openobex/wiki/ObexFs
[19:03] <nemo> Polt{laptop}: seems like a lot of trouble for something that should be working fine :)
[19:04] <reggieP123> hey nemo what would happen if I didnt do the pinning part of it and just installed the deb file
[19:04] <reggieP123> would it screw things up
[19:06] <Polt{laptop}> nemo you are right it is alot of trouble
[19:06] <Polt{laptop}> really you know the best solution would be for me to just get a new tower
[19:07] <nemo> reggieP123: that should work just fine too
[19:07] <Polt{laptop}> I should call my dad and see if he has any spares since he comes across them from time to time
[19:07] <nemo> reggieP123: I did that for a few months before I decided to pin it
[19:07] <nemo> reggieP123: installing the .deb just means you have to do updates yourself.
[19:07] <Polt{laptop}> my video card is a 512 mb card and works great in linux except this tower I have is only 1.2 ghz
[19:07] <Polt{laptop}> and 512 mb of ram
[19:07] <nemo> wow
[19:07] <nemo> Polt{laptop}: upgrade that sucker already
[19:08] <nemo> my 10 year old server has a gig of ram
[19:08] <Polt{laptop}> it does not want to boot into linux with the 512 mb vid card
[19:08] <Polt{laptop}> hehe
[19:08] <shadeslayer> nemo: apparently
[19:08] <shadeslayer> !info obexfs | nemo
[19:08] <nemo> heck. it has a 1.4ghz processor I paid $25 for 10y ago
[19:08] <nemo> ... and?
[19:08] <Polt{laptop}> and unfortunately the i810 chipset is like 1 mb of onboard vid ram rofl
[19:09] <Polt{laptop}> it is sad I know
[19:09] <reggieP123> can I install and then pin later?
[19:09] <reggieP123> or it doesnt work that way?
[19:10] <Polt{laptop}> also something else I should say ... my sound worked when I booted into X under root but not for my default user account
[19:11] <Polt{laptop}> in theory if sound works under root it should work for the default user also ... this must be a config file problem or a permissions problem. Can anyone help me fix this ?
[19:16] <StevenMyers> Hey everyone, any news on Alpha 5 getting out of testing for Karmic?
[19:16] <reggieP123> hety nemo still there would I also need to install the kernel headers for the kernel that I pick?
[19:19] <Polt{laptop}> is there a grub-legacy package ?
[19:19] <knittl> good evening
[19:20] <Polt{laptop}> I still have my old menu.lst file
[19:20] <ReggieP123> nemo still there
[19:20] <ReggieP123> ?
[19:21] <StevenMyers> @Polt: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[19:21] <StevenMyers> You can search the package database to find this. Bookmark this page as it's a very reliable resource.
[19:24] <Polt{laptop}> ok so basically what I want to do is install grub from a jaunty repository
[19:24] <Polt{laptop}> since I want to revert back to what I had in jaunty
[19:25] <Polt{laptop}> and I want to do apt-get remove grub2
[19:27] <StevenMyers> If you have Jaunty installed you can install the new grub and remove the old grub2. To remove the grub2 you will need to execute apt-get autoremove (grub package)
[19:28] <StevenMyers> Then follow with the new grub install if you have Jaunty running.
[19:32] <natewiebe13>
[19:35] <ReggieP123> if I add karmic souces to the source list and run an upgrade from synaptic will everything change on Jaunty technically
[19:36] <Polt{laptop}> StevenMyers I upgraded my jaunty to karmic
[19:36] <Polt{laptop}> I perhaps want to get that package from Jaunty and remove grub2 and reinstall the old grub
[19:36] <StevenMyers> @Reggie: you do have an option to keep some Jaunty packages during the upgrade to Karmic.
[19:37] <StevenMyers> So technically there will still be Jaunty running, but should not conflict with Karmic for any reason.
[19:37] <Polt{laptop}> first I will try to reboot one more time but if this doesn't work and if I get an error again I will definitely try to revert back to the old grub since this system apparently cannot handle grub2
[19:37] <ReggieP123> ok cool thanx
[19:37] <Brian__> im downloading karmic alfa 5 rite now
[19:38] <natewiebe13> Polt{laptop}: if you were doing a fresh install.. you could always add the option "grub-legacy=true"
[19:39] <StevenMyers> Got me beat to that nate, was about to pass that to him. (Stupid Pizza)
[19:39] <Brian__> will my broadcom wifi work in the kubuntu karmic alfa 5 realese
[19:40] <Polt{laptop}> I just basically want to get grub-legacy back
[19:40] <StevenMyers> @Brian: I do not see why it shouldn't. Karmic has wifi compatibility and shouldn't be to unstable to run. Have eth0 ready and installed just incase.
[19:40] <hggdh> Brian__: my wifi is a BCM4312, no problems here
[19:40] <Brian__> cool
[19:40] <Brian__> thanks
[19:41] <Brian__> when i did the alfa 4 it didnt work
[19:41] <StevenMyers> Have you checked the log changes for 5?
[19:41] <StevenMyers> If not: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha5
[19:43] <StevenMyers> Report the bugs to launchpad.net if you can. The bug report tool is also a fail in some cases to report issues. IF this does happen use launchpad.
[19:43] <Polt{laptop}> also with grub2 I get this bar6 address collision message
[19:43] <Polt{laptop}> never had that with grub-legacy
[19:44] <StevenMyers> @Polt: this bug has been already reported. Should be corrected sometime soon.
[19:45] <StevenMyers> If you would like to see the report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/424142
[19:45] <Polt{laptop}> ok cool
[19:46] <Polt{laptop}> one other thing now ... StevenMyers my sound works in root but doesn't work in the default account in Gnome
[19:46] <wastrel> anyone using scim in koala?
[19:46] <Polt{laptop}> do you have any idea of how I can fix sound ?
[19:46] <wastrel> mine is crashing on launch
[19:46] <Polt{laptop}> that is the problem I am having
[19:47] <Polt{laptop}> it crashes over and over and over in my default account
[19:47] <natewiebe13> i find it strange how everyone has sound issues.. and i havent had any.. im using cmi8738 and creative xfi, and both machines are perfect
[19:47] <Polt{laptop}> I logged into root by accident a moment ago and the sound was playing when I logged in
[19:47] <StevenMyers> What distro version do you run Polt?
[19:48] <Polt{laptop}> 9.10
[19:48] <StevenMyers> Ah
[19:49] <StevenMyers> One sec Polt.
[19:50] <StevenMyers> What driver do you have for your sound? Ex: NVidia etc
[19:51] <lucas__> ubuntu karmic sucks
[19:51] <natewiebe13> lucas__: better than jaunty
[19:51] <StevenMyers> Because the alsa-driver is having backend sound for default accounts based on the sound driver you have installed
[19:51] <lucas__> why
[19:52] <StevenMyers> @nate: it will be when/if they enable the menu icons.
[19:52] <lucas__> okey
[19:52] <natewiebe13> lucas__: i find that jaunty is sluggish compared to karmic.. there are some issues still with karmic.. but it will be more polished once completed
[19:52] <lucas__> but
[19:52] <StevenMyers> This has come back a "We are not sure if it will again"
[19:52] <natewiebe13> StevenMyers: what do you mean menu icons?
[19:52] <Polt{laptop}> StevenMyers I have onboard intel sound
[19:52] <lucas__> i dont write a data to cd
[19:52] <Polt{laptop}> i810
[19:52] <lucas__> cd is blank
[19:52] <lucas__> i used brasero
[19:53] <lucas__> aqnd brasero gives an error
[19:53] <StevenMyers> @nate: gnome-panel menu drop down lists
[19:53] <lucas__> cd is blank
[19:53] <StevenMyers> @Polt: ok thanks, just another sec
[19:54] <StevenMyers> @Polt: Reinstall the alsa-driver and reboot.
[19:54] <lucas__> can i say ubuntu karmic = debian sid
[19:54] <StevenMyers> @lucas: it is debian based ;-)
[19:54] <vigo> Polt(laptop): ALSA?
[19:55] <lucas__> yeah but debian has three release
[19:55] <natewiebe13> StevenMyers: System -> Preferences -> Appearance.. then under the interface tab, check the box "Show icons in menus"
[19:55] <lucas__> lenny squeeze anbd sid
[19:55] <Polt{laptop}> StevenMyers how do I reinstall it ?
[19:55] <lucas__> i want to go nack jaunty
[19:55] <StevenMyers> @nate: I will take a look, thanks.
[19:55] <Polt{laptop}> StevenMyers do I just do dpkg-reconfigure ?
[19:55] <StevenMyers> @Polt: Not at all. Just search in synaptic and find alsa-driver and do a "Complete Removal" then reboot and re-install the same way you removed.
[19:56] <lucas__> how can i go back to jaunty
[19:56] <lucas__> is there a way
[19:57] <vigo> Thank you StevenMyers.
[19:57] <StevenMyers> @polt: alsa-based
[19:57] <StevenMyers> yw vigo
[19:57] <natewiebe13> StevenMyers: try it yet?
[19:58] <keith_> Why doesn't my /tmp clear when I reboot?
[19:58] <lucas__> why karmic mount ipod touch as digital cam and imeediately break mounting ipod touch
[19:58] <StevenMyers> @nate: I am going to run Karmic again as a full install upgrade leaving the Jaunty files still folded inside and give it a shot. If the options you gave do work that is great but by default they are left out for some reason.
[19:58] <StevenMyers> Sad source of change they chose for this release.
[19:59] <natewiebe13> yeah.. i noticed that on my uncles computer that i upgraded from jaunty.. i did a fresh install on another computer, and it enabled the icons
[19:59] <natewiebe13> its an upgrade bug i think
[19:59] <StevenMyers> has to be :-/
[19:59] <natewiebe13> im 99% positive
[19:59]  * StevenMyers is going to upgrade right now for testing
[20:00] <lucas__> now i write a cd and process continues
[20:01] <lucas__> process will finish and cd will be empty despite all process
[20:01] <StevenMyers> Weird, the karmic release is not available even if normal release is selected.
[20:01] <lucas__> i see the yellow light on the cdrom
[20:01] <Brian__> im downloading karmic rite now
[20:01] <keith_> StevenMyers, Karmic hasn't been released yet.
[20:02] <lucas__> no
[20:02] <Brian__> alfa 5
[20:02] <lucas__> update-manager -d
[20:02] <lucas__> provides karmic
[20:02] <vigo> I did a backup, but the install 'saved' the packages that were placed in from 9.04, all the configs were lost, the backup solved that.
[20:02] <natewiebe13> StevenMyers: because its still in alpha
[20:02] <StevenMyers> Thank you lucas lol forgot the command
[20:02] <StevenMyers> Yes I know it was my fault on word use
[20:02] <StevenMyers> ty for the correct :-p
[20:02] <keith_> StevenMyers, =D
[20:02] <lucas__> :D
[20:02] <natewiebe13> Brian__: alpha, not alfa
[20:02] <StevenMyers> hehe
[20:02] <lucas__> but i dont suggest to install karmic
[20:03] <BluesKaj> this place souns like twitter... i;m combing my hair downloading stuff
[20:03] <Brian__> im lazy
[20:03] <lucas__> it is too buggy
[20:03] <StevenMyers> hmm
[20:03] <StevenMyers> nate: shoot me that option again so I can save it. (Show Icons)
[20:03] <keith_> I'm using it... not too buggy imo
[20:03] <lucas__> i open nautilus and select edit -Z> preferences
[20:03] <StevenMyers> @keith: it's not if you save the packages from the recent upgrade with Karmic
[20:04] <lucas__> then restart nautilus then produce a bug
[20:04] <lucas__> puhahaha
[20:04] <StevenMyers> @lucas: ty
[20:04] <vigo> Seems to be smooth here, I am pushing it hard and have yet to fail, or panic.
[20:04] <lucas__> yesterday
[20:04] <lucas__> i am listening song
[20:04] <BluesKaj> StevenMyers, the @ doesn't work on irc
[20:04] <lucas__> and suddenly produce a bug on pulse audio
[20:04] <StevenMyers> what does it pull up with?
[20:05] <natewiebe13> StevenMyers: its under "System -> Preferences -> Appearance.. then under the interface tab, check the box "Show icons in menus"
[20:05] <lucas__> the funny thing i click report a problem
[20:05] <natewiebe13> StevenMyers: you have to type their name, and put a : after it
[20:05] <lucas__> then ubuntu said it cannot be reported
[20:05] <lucas__> :d:
[20:05] <StevenMyers> :-p that sucks
[20:05] <keith_> natewiebe13, doesn't have to be a :
[20:05] <BluesKaj> nope, just the nick is enuff
[20:05] <lucas__> pls upgrade blah blah package
[20:05] <natewiebe13> keith, true, but im used to the colon
[20:05] <lucas__> but there is no upgrade
[20:05] <lucas__> :X
[20:05] <lucas__> sometimes
[20:06] <natewiebe13> keith_: helps seperate better
[20:06] <keith_> natewiebe13, xchat-gnome does a comma automatically
[20:06] <StevenMyers> brb wife is complaining.
[20:06] <natewiebe13> keith_: okay.. im using pidgin, which doesnt
[20:06] <keith_> natewiebe13, I should give that a try... seems to be popular for irc
[20:07] <lucas__> xchat does too
[20:07] <wastrel> i like the :
[20:07] <lucas__> natewiebe13,  emesene is better
[20:07] <keith_> lucas__, well, there are a lot of "popular" choices. lol
[20:07] <natewiebe13> keith_: i use it because im also on msn, emesene reminds me of kde
[20:07] <StevenMyers> brb time for a late-lunch
[20:07] <lucas__> keith_,  none of them is perfec
[20:07] <lucas__> t
[20:07] <natewiebe13> lucas__: emesene reminds me of kde
[20:08] <lucas__> hmm
[20:08] <natewiebe13> dont like kde, its too "plasticy"
[20:08] <keith_> lucas__, I used irssi a couple days ago when I had no X. Worked well.
[20:08] <lucas__> yeah i dont like kde
[20:08] <lucas__> actually i like icevm
[20:08] <lucas__> icewm
[20:08] <lucas__> wmake fluxbox wmake
[20:08] <lucas__> r
[20:08] <keith_> I like things about KDE... I usually try it for a day after every release, determined to give it a fair try... and hours later I'm back to gnome.
[20:09] <natewiebe13> keith_: ive done the same thing
[20:09] <lucas__> muahuah
[20:09] <lucas__> i gave up kde before 3 years
[20:10] <lucas__> but kde has some good software like k3b, konqueror
[20:10] <keith_> There are just a lot of little things I like about gnome more. Hard to say why though.
[20:10] <keith_> I hate Konqueror with a passion.
[20:11] <lucas__> what is passion ?
[20:11] <keith_> k3b is good though
[20:11] <keith_> lucas__, what do you mean?
[20:11] <natewiebe13> keith_: i know what you mean.. i feel that gnome is more natural feeling
[20:11] <keith_> lucas__, passion means I have strong feelings toward it.
[20:11] <lucas__> sorry
[20:11] <lucas__> my english is not so good
[20:12] <keith_> lucas__, in this case, not good feelings. lol
[20:13] <lucas__> keith_,  you said k3b is good i think it is good
[20:13] <lucas__> but
[20:13] <lucas__> i wrote a data to cd and program wrote data to cd it is about 9 mins
[20:13] <VSpike> I just did an update, having installed Alpha 4 some time back, and my fonts got smaller and my icons got bigger :) wierd.
[20:13] <lucas__> then i look the cd cd is still empty how can it be
[20:14] <keith_> lucas__, well, I haven't used it much... I tend to use brasero. I liked it when I tried it though. Try ejecting the disc and re-inserting it. See if any data shows up.
[20:14] <natewiebe13> keith_, lucas__: i use nero *linux version*, there are debs, and it is available through torrents
[20:14] <keith_> natewiebe13, legally?
[20:14] <lucas__> keith_,  brasero gives an error
[20:14] <lucas__> keith_,  i guess it is legal
[20:15] <lucas__> because nero prodduce for open source 2 years before i guess
[20:15] <natewiebe13> no.. you can buy it from nero's site.. i USED nero because of gapless audio discs (brasero didnt support it at the time), but now i use brasero because of gapless cds
[20:15] <keith_> natewiebe13, gapless?d
[20:15] <natewiebe13> no = it wasnt legal
[20:15] <natewiebe13> keith_: no pauses between tracks
[20:16] <keith_> natewiebe13, I see. I don't usually burn audio discs
[20:16] <BluesKaj> gramofile will do that
[20:16] <natewiebe13> i do frequently.. im not a fan of using my originals.. i burn backups
[20:16] <vigo> Where is Alpha 5 at or how do I upgrade to it. or can I upgrade to it in terminal?
[20:17] <VSpike> That's also quite odd.  Firefox is telling me I have two new addons - Firefox (en) 3.0.7 (not compatible with FIrefox 3.5.2) and Xulrunner (en) <IP_ADDRESS> (not compatible with firefox 3.5.2)
[20:17] <natewiebe13> BlueKaj: so does brasero
[20:17] <natewiebe13> VSpike: i had that too.. now it works for me
[20:17] <keith_> vigo: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/alpha-5/
[20:17] <VSpike> vigo: what are you running at the moment?
[20:17] <VSpike> natewiebe13: did you just ignore it or what?  Did you report the bug?
[20:17] <keith_> vigo: sudo update-manager -d to upgrade as well
[20:17] <vigo> keith_: Thank you
[20:18] <vigo> VSpike: I think it is 3
[20:18] <natewiebe13> VSpike: nvm.. its still not compatible..
[20:18] <natewiebe13> firefox-3.0 is fine, firefox-3.5 has the compatibility issues
[20:18] <BluesKaj> brasero is gnome, gramofile is cli, so itworks on any linux OS
[20:18] <BluesKaj> simple and easy to use as well
[20:19] <natewiebe13> BluesKaj: true.. but im guessing most people here are using gnome..
[20:19] <BluesKaj> lotsa kde users out there
[20:19] <VSpike> I thought 3.5 was the default now?
[20:20] <natewiebe13> VSpike: 3.5.2 is beta im prutty sure
[20:20] <natewiebe13> beta is in.. still begin tested with ubuntu
[20:20] <natewiebe13> *as in
[20:21] <lucas__> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/i386/nrg2iso/download
[20:21] <Polt{laptop}> ok StevenMyers I tried to uninstall alsa completely ... did it, reinstalled it, rebooted... sound still keeps crashing in gnome panel
[20:21] <Polt{laptop}> and I have this message that says "waiting on sound system to respond"
[20:22] <VSpike> I had 3.5 installed under 9.04, and I'd removed 3.0.  It looks like the upgrade put 3.0 back and they are clashing
[20:25] <roffe> I was trying to reach my samba network, but it didn't work. Bug in alpha?
[20:25] <BluesKaj> Polt{laptop}, alsa-utils ?
[20:26] <natewiebe13> roffe: works for me still
[20:26] <BluesKaj> roffe, install smbclient
[20:27] <roffe> BluesKaj, it's already installed
[20:28] <eagles0513875> well problem solved need to use the alternate cd
[20:28] <eagles0513875> question is will it work after install
[20:29] <VSpike> when I boot my karmic system, after grub I see the ubuntu splash with the cylon/knight rider progress indicator... then I jump into text mode and see information about services starting scrolling by .. then I jump into the new look X/GDM greeter progress bar
[20:29] <Polt{laptop}> actually I've tried messing with that
[20:29] <Polt{laptop}> there is something else I found though
[20:29] <Polt{laptop}> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=411038
[20:29] <VSpike> Is that normal?  I'm suprised I get the text mode in there, and I thought usplash was going altogether and it was meant to go into X straight away
[20:29] <Polt{laptop}> that might help some people
[20:30] <natewiebe13> VSpike: are you using DVI or VGA for display?
[20:31] <VSpike> natewiebe13: no
[20:31] <VSpike> natewiebe13: laptop
[20:32] <natewiebe13> VSpike: for me.. when i have used DVI in alpha releases, id always get text mode until the final release came out.. and if i used vga.. i wouldnt.. very strange, but thats how it works for me
[20:32] <BluesKaj> roffe, i'm using smb4k after many yrs of avoiding it but now it works great and bugs seem fixed
[20:33] <VSpike> my grub kernel line has "ro quiet splash" at the end
[20:33] <natewiebe13> VSpike: as far as usplash, the way i understand it, is that it wont get fully removed until artwork is completed.. may get taken out drop 2, but my guess is artwork deadline
[20:33] <VSpike> natewiebe13: is it normal to get the text mode part between usplash and X?
[20:34] <VSpike> roffe: are you trying to access your smb from smbclient, or from something else (e.g. gnome/nautilus/smbnetfs)
[20:35]  * StevenMyers is still upgrading to Karmic Alpha 5 (5 mins left)
[20:35] <natewiebe13> VSpike: where the bar would go back and forth, then text mode, or would it actually load completely then go into text mode?
[20:35] <Polt{laptop}> this is just so weird
[20:35] <Polt{laptop}> this has to be a user account problem
[20:35] <Polt{laptop}> audio is working perfectly in root
[20:36] <VSpike> natewiebe13: I get the bar for a while, then scrolling text (like old fashioned boot), then X starts
[20:36] <vigo> Polt: That sounds like the way to a solution....
[20:37] <natewiebe13> VSpike: yes, but is the bar going back and forth (like ping pong), or is it a progress bar?
[20:37] <VSpike> ping pong one
[20:38] <roffe> BluesKaj, Thanks, I'll try it out
[20:38] <VSpike> natewiebe13: gonna have to reboot and check it out now :)
[20:38] <natewiebe13> VSpike: so yeah.. if i was running DVI, i would get the exact same result as what you have.. i would say its normal
[20:38] <roffe> VSpike, I'm trying to access my hdd from my xbox1, it usually just works, but now that I've switched to karmic it says it can't find the network
[20:41] <vigo> Polt(laptop): You think a chroot or chmod could set that at boot?
[20:41] <Polt{laptop}> that is what I am wondering
[20:42] <VSpike> natewiebe13: wierd. Why should the monitor connector make a difference?
[20:42] <vigo> Polt(laptop): Is why I said a possible solution, let me look some more, but that sounds like the fix...
[20:42] <Polt{laptop}> I actually went into /etc/group and changed the line where it says "audio:x:29:pulse,username"
[20:43] <Polt{laptop}> to say "audio:x:29:root,username"
[20:43] <Polt{laptop}> audio works in root either way
[20:43] <Polt{laptop}> it won't work in the default account though
[20:43] <Polt{laptop}> I think it could be a memory block error
[20:44] <natewiebe13> VSpike: beats me.. but DVI also disables my wifi.. but both these problems are fixed on final releases.. they only occur during alpha/beta versions
[20:45] <vigo> Polt(laptop): Does it work on a lower group with a sudo?
[20:45] <Polt{laptop}> that is what I want to find out
[20:45] <VSpike> Gah.. why did the Reboot/Shutdown stuff move from System menu nack to the user switcher menu?  I'd just trained myself to look in the other place!
[20:46] <vigo> Polt(laptop): Add User. There is a GUI for that, would be a neat test.
[20:47] <Brian__> ;how do you guys like the opendesktop social desktop stuff
[20:47] <Brian__> i mean do you guys like
[20:48] <vigo> Brian__: It has its place, I do not use that stuff , I guess I am anti social,,,)-;
[20:49] <keith_> social desktop stuff?
[20:49] <Brian__> i feel ya on that
[20:49] <Brian__> but we are in a irc chat room so we cant be that anti social
[20:50] <Brian__> if anything we asre more social than non computer users
[20:50] <vigo> Anti Social Networking, ermm I don't facebooktwitter or whatevewr
[20:50] <guntbert> !ot | Brian__
[20:50] <Brian__> or non kde 4.3 users
[20:50] <BluesKaj> the social networking stuff has it's place..but not here IMO
[20:50] <Brian__> should i say
[20:51] <Polt{laptop}> vigo I wonder if doing "sudo chmod 666 /dev/dsp" would maybe fix this ?
[20:51] <Polt{laptop}> it is either that or it is a memory block error
[20:51] <Polt{laptop}> I think maybe that is all it can be ...
[20:51] <Polt{laptop}> either an FS error
[20:51] <Polt{laptop}> or a memory block error
[20:52] <vigo> Poll(laptop): That is what I was thinking, is worth a test, but as always, that is what backups are for.
[20:52] <Polt{laptop}> either the pulse audio applet is crashing because it is trying to handle a chunk of memory that is too big for it to handle
[20:52] <Polt{laptop}> or it was changed during the upgrade
[20:52] <Polt{laptop}> possibly it was a different permission before
[20:53] <vigo> Polt(laptop): I just read about that on a 9.04 Launchpad page, the solution used there was a git like wget
[20:54] <Polt{laptop}> what did it say exactly ?
[20:54] <vigo> Poll(laptop): Let me pull it back up.
[20:55] <Polt{laptop}> I might try the chmod thing real fast and see if it helps
[20:56] <Polt{laptop}> it may or may not but I know for sure that audio works in root
[20:59] <Polt{laptop}> it is still crashing
[20:59] <Polt{laptop}> I tried both things
[20:59] <Polt{laptop}> the next option is to logout of X and log back in again and see if it helps
[21:00] <vigo> Polt(laptop) This may be it, https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+question/80681
[21:02] <vigo> That is not the chroot or chmod thing, it is the CVS or git for 9.04 on a Dell Studio, still looking,,,,,
[21:05] <vigo> Polt(laptop): The responce from chinmaya explains it a bit also.
[21:08] <BUGabundo> heya
[21:09] <VSpike> BUGabundo: evening
[21:10] <BUGabundo> hey VSpike. and welcome to the #
[21:13] <BluesKaj> hey BUGabundo..ready for the onslaught of pulseaudio questions ? :)
[21:13] <BUGabundo> sure
[21:13] <BUGabundo> always
[21:13] <BUGabundo> throw them my way
[21:13] <VSpike> Is the "guest session" option broken for anyone else or just me?
[21:13] <BluesKaj> they've been here all day
[21:14] <VSpike> For me, it just starts screensaver and locks
[21:14] <Brian___> ok so i just got karmic kde installed  and under network managment the wireless tab cant be clicked on
[21:14] <BUGabundo> VSpike: its not even ported to karmic
[21:14] <VSpike> BUGabundo: ah.  Well, that explains it then
[21:14] <BUGabundo> yep
[21:14] <BUGabundo> someone should put that on release notes
[21:15] <BUGabundo> VSpike: would you mind opening a bug against ubuntu-docs ?
[21:15]  * VSpike was just going to read the release notes to see if that was a subtle adminishment
[21:16] <nemo>  eclipse-platform-sdk-common depends on eclipse-platform-sdk (>= 3.5-0yogarine3); however: Package eclipse-platform-sdk is not configured yet.
[21:17] <nemo>  eclipse-platform-sdk depends on eclipse-platform-sdk-common (>= 3.5-0yogarine3); however: Package eclipse-platform-sdk-common is not configured yet.
[21:17] <nemo> AGH
[21:18] <VSpike> BUGabundo: silly question, but where are they release notes? Unless you mean http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha5#Known%20issues
[21:19] <BUGabundo> nemo: either build failure or aint build yet
[21:19] <BUGabundo> check the queue please and report back. thanks
[21:19] <BUGabundo> VSpike: that's *one* place
[21:19] <BUGabundo> there's also technical overview wiki
[21:19] <BUGabundo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/TechnicalOverview
[21:19] <nemo> BUGabundo: naw. I'm trying to manually install
[21:19] <nemo> https://launchpad.net/~yogarine/+archive/eclipse
[21:19] <StevenMyers> Rebooting from Karmic upgrade
[21:20] <nemo> because the actual packages in karmic don't really work. at all.
[21:20] <nemo> BUGabundo: looks like passing both simultaneously to dpkg -i works...
[21:20] <BUGabundo> nemo: are those for karmic?
[21:20] <BUGabundo> nemo: right circular depencie
[21:20] <BUGabundo> happens a lot
[21:20] <BUGabundo> let the packager know about it, please
[21:22] <roffe_> why do I have to authenticate every time I mount a drive?
[21:23] <nemo> roffe_: at some point you told it not to hold on to the key?
[21:23] <nemo> oh wait
[21:23] <nemo> mount
[21:23] <nemo> huh. that is odd.
[21:23] <nemo> WFM :)
[21:23]  * BUGabundo checks for updates
[21:23] <nemo> roffe_: say. do you by any chance have hardcoded entries in fstab?
[21:24] <BUGabundo> roffe_: bug on udev
[21:24] <BUGabundo> nemo: it's a known bug
[21:24] <roffe_> nemo, I think that may be the case
[21:24] <BUGabundo> I've been getting the same since alpha2
[21:24] <roffe_> Ah, ok
[21:26] <wastrel> anyone using SCIM in koala
[21:26] <wastrel> mine is crashing
[21:28] <Polt{laptop}> ok I am getting audio to work in root
[21:28] <Polt{laptop}> this is my first experiment
[21:29] <BUGabundo> running as root is _bad_
[21:30] <Polt{laptop}> I am playing a sample mp3 in root and it is work
[21:30] <Polt{laptop}> yes I know BUGabundo but this is a MUST
[21:30] <Polt{laptop}> and I'm not on this machine in root
[21:30] <Polt{laptop}> it is a separate machine
[21:30] <wastrel> scim is important, sound is not important
[21:30] <nemo> roffe_: I had hardcoded fstab entries, and I'd get that, since the automatic mounting wouldn't occur
[21:30] <wastrel> SCIM anyone?
[21:30] <nemo> roffe_: sooo, I removed them, and hey presto, all better.
[21:30] <Polt{laptop}> it is a MUST because it won't run in default user account
[21:30] <Polt{laptop}> hey look don't give me attitude about this. I'm trying to find a solution to a problem not get a lecture
[21:31] <Polt{laptop}> I'm doing a simple experiment
[21:31] <Polt{laptop}> now judgement is needed on anyone's part
[21:31] <Polt{laptop}> it is purely subjective
[21:31] <Polt{laptop}> no*
[21:31] <Polt{laptop}> and plz excuse my typeos I've been up for awhile
[21:31] <BUGabundo> Polt{laptop}: calm down
[21:32] <BUGabundo> just j/k
[21:32] <BUGabundo> did u try to rename your ~/.pulse settings?
[21:32] <Polt{laptop}> I am sorry BUGabundo I just get tired of people looking down on me. I'm not trying to pick on you man
[21:32] <Polt{laptop}> I get defensive sometimes
[21:32] <Polt{laptop}> heh
[21:32] <Polt{laptop}> I will try renaming my .pulse settings
[21:35] <Polt{laptop}> BUGabundo are you referring to the folder ?
[21:35] <Polt{laptop}> I am guessing so because of the ~
[21:37] <Polt{laptop}> something I noticed earlier is that I had changed pulse to not use audio in my /etc/group file and instead had root in pulse's place so that ALSA would be used as default instead of pulse accessing audio
[21:37] <Polt{laptop}> it seemed smoother
[21:38] <Polt{laptop}> but you know I think your idea fixed audio BUGabundo
[21:38] <Polt{laptop}> :D
[21:38] <BUGabundo> Polt{laptop}: just to be sure
[21:38] <Polt{laptop}> so everyone that is the fix
[21:38] <BUGabundo> $ killall -9 pulseaudio
[21:39] <BUGabundo> and then open pavucontrol
[21:39] <BUGabundo> and monitor it
[21:41] <Polt{laptop}> sounds are working in the default account now
[21:41] <BUGabundo> YAY
[21:41] <BUGabundo> see?
[21:41] <Polt{laptop}> I am trying to play some mp3's to test audio quality
[21:41] <BUGabundo> NO NEED to run as root
[21:42] <Polt{laptop}> I did get a stream error a moment ago in totem
[21:42] <Polt{laptop}> ok here is the error I get
[21:43] <Polt{laptop}> "pa_stream_writable_size() failed: Connection terminated"
[21:43] <BUGabundo> yeah
[21:43] <BUGabundo> that tends to happen :(
[21:43] <Polt{laptop}> it isn't playing audio through totem
[21:43] <Polt{laptop}> I might try mplayer
[21:43] <BUGabundo> Polt{laptop}: are you running karmic?
[21:43] <Polt{laptop}> yes
[21:43] <BUGabundo> fully updated, and most recent kernel?
[21:43] <Polt{laptop}> yes
[21:43] <BUGabundo> ok
[21:44] <BUGabundo> that's should be fixed
[21:44] <Polt{laptop}> actually I have xmms too
[21:44] <BUGabundo> what sound card?
[21:44] <Polt{laptop}> I can try xmms
[21:44] <Polt{laptop}> I have an onboard sound / video
[21:44] <Polt{laptop}> i810 controller
[21:44] <BUGabundo> humm
[21:44] <BUGabundo> care to try audio team PPA?
[21:44] <Polt{laptop}> ok xmms is playing the music beautifully
[21:44] <Polt{laptop}> :>
[21:45] <Polt{laptop}> this must be a totem problem
[21:45] <Polt{laptop}> something dealing with the interaction between pulse and totem
[21:45] <Polt{laptop}> then agian ...
[21:45] <Polt{laptop}> I played a song in root with totem
[21:45] <Polt{laptop}> and it worked fine
[21:46] <BUGabundo> Polt{laptop}: maybe PA was still restarting
[21:48] <Polt{laptop}> hmm
[21:48] <Polt{laptop}> I tried it again and it gave me the same error
[21:48] <Bigshot_> will i be able to do http://www.broadcom.com/docs/linux_sta/README.txt on a "liv3e CD" alpha 5?
[21:48] <Polt{laptop}> just to do a comparison test on totem and xmms
[21:49] <Bigshot_> are needed packages included in alpha 5 to make a driver?
[21:51] <Polt{laptop}> I am now going to test vlc
[21:51] <BluesKaj>  Bigshot_ kernel modules include hardware drivers , you just enable the right ones
[21:51] <Bigshot_> how i have 4322 broadcom
[21:52] <Bigshot_> b43 and ssb don't allow to load the right driver
[21:52] <Bigshot_> i tried blacklist but doesn't work
[21:52] <BluesKaj> wifi ?
[21:52] <Bigshot_> yes
[21:52] <alteregoa> give me a good splash screen
[21:53] <alteregoa> i add 795 to vga it smells like teen spirit
[21:54] <Polt{laptop}> hmmm I tried to do some other audio stuff
[21:54] <Polt{laptop}> vlc isn't working
[21:55] <Polt{laptop}> xmms works well totem gives the pa error
[21:55] <Bigshot_> BluesKaj: you there?
[21:55] <Polt{laptop}> and vlc is not working for me at all
[21:55] <BUGabundo> Polt{laptop}: do you have vlc-pulse package?
[21:55] <Polt{laptop}> yes
[21:55] <Polt{laptop}> well there was one installed
[21:56] <Polt{laptop}> I don't think it was uninstalled actually
[21:56] <Polt{laptop}> I can re-check though
[21:56] <Polt{laptop}> that and I am going to test moovida too
[21:56] <BluesKaj> Bigshot_, the network manager seems to be troublesome on karmic , Im using wicd
[21:57] <BluesKaj> !info wicd
[21:57] <Bigshot_> will installing that package fix the thing?
[21:57] <BluesKaj> dunno about your driver , it might
[21:57] <Bigshot_> i don't have internet access on that computer how should i fix that?
[21:58] <Bigshot_> download in usb will do?
[21:58] <Polt{laptop}> well I just checked and vlc-pulse is infact installed
[21:59] <Polt{laptop}> there is still an error with pulse perhaps
[22:00] <BUGabundo> anyone here knows how to configure an Android to work as a Modem ?
[22:00] <Polt{laptop}> I have to figure out why root plays pulse audio stuff perfectly but default account does not
[22:00] <BUGabundo> asac says I need to set it *like* a modem
[22:00] <BluesKaj> Bigshot_, for more info www.wicd.net
[22:00] <BUGabundo> no idea on how to do that
[22:00] <vigo> Polt(laptop): Fix or purge old then makeinstall?
[22:01] <Polt{laptop}> vigo are you meaning to purge the old pulseaudio ?
[22:01] <Polt{laptop}> and then reinstall it ?
[22:01] <Polt{laptop}> I actually thought about doing that
[22:01] <Bigshot_> BluesKaj: should i download the newest package?
[22:02] <vigo> Polt(laptop) sortof, yes.
[22:02] <Bigshot_> huh?
[22:02] <Polt{laptop}> vigo my guess is that if I purge pulseaudio then it gets rid of all the config files and settings and reinstalling it means a fresh install of pulse
[22:02] <Polt{laptop}> from the karmic repos
[22:02] <Polt{laptop}> and then it in theory should work
[22:02] <BUGabundo> vigo: Polt{laptop}that won't help
[22:03] <BluesKaj> Bigshot_, yes copy it to your ubuntu pc with a usb stick or some such
[22:03] <Polt{laptop}> it just seems like this has to be some type of settings issue somewhere in the system because in root totem played music perfectly
[22:03] <Bigshot_> bz2 or gz?
[22:04] <vigo> Polt(laptop): Right, the theory is sound, the function is in question, seems like a way to perhaps solve it.
[22:04] <BluesKaj> gz \
[22:05] <wastrel> SCIM broken in koala
[22:05] <Bigshot_> BluesKaj: will it automatically do all the blacklisting and stuff?
[22:05] <BluesKaj> Bigshot_, leave it compressed til you copy it into your home/user file
[22:05] <Bigshot_> ya but
[22:05] <Bigshot_> BluesKaj: will it automatically do all the blacklisting and stuff?
[22:05] <Polt{laptop}> I will do this experiment ... I will purge pulseaudio and reinstall it from repos
[22:05] <BluesKaj> blacklisting ?
[22:05] <Polt{laptop}> if this does not fix it then it is not a config error that was left over from the last install
[22:06] <Bigshot_> ya rmmod b43 -ssb and all other unnecessary drivers
[22:06] <Polt{laptop}> and that is because purge removes config files and folders
[22:06] <Polt{laptop}> when you use purse you totally remove something
[22:06] <Polt{laptop}> purge
[22:06] <Polt{laptop}> lol
[22:06] <vigo> Right
[22:06] <Polt{laptop}> anyway I will brb
[22:06] <vigo> okee dokee
[22:06] <Bigshot_> BluesKaj: got wat i say?
[22:07] <alteregoa> ssb, yeah the snr is better on ssb
[22:07] <alteregoa> i thought they use pwm
[22:07] <BluesKaj> Bigshot_, it will use whatever driver you have installed
[22:08] <Bigshot_> k bbl
[22:08] <BluesKaj> as long as it's the right one
[22:12] <Polt{laptop}> ok basically what I am going to do ...
[22:12] <Polt{laptop}> I am using the same method used here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apturl/+bug/422825
[22:12] <Polt{laptop}> to fix apturl
[22:12] <Polt{laptop}> I am totally purging the system of pulseaudio and then removing any leftover packages and then reinstalling it
[22:13] <Polt{laptop}> from updated package list
[22:13] <Polt{laptop}> this way I know I have the most recent pulse audio
[22:13] <Polt{laptop}> and I made sure I was logged out of X to do this
[22:14] <Polt{laptop}> this way there are no processes using pulseaudio
[22:14] <vigo> That makes sense.
[22:14] <alteregoa> man ln
[22:15] <Polt{laptop}> hopefully I do not have to create a symbolic link back to /dev/dsp
[22:15] <Polt{laptop}> :P
[22:15] <BUGabundo> Polt{laptop}: eheh are you sure?
[22:15] <BUGabundo> its a system dameon
[22:15] <BUGabundo> that launchs an applet on userland
[22:15] <BUGabundo> ehe
[22:15] <BUGabundo> and it autospawns so it *can't* be killed
[22:15] <BUGabundo> ahaahaahaha
[22:15] <alteregoa> i am hodoniert
[22:16] <alteregoa> ln does not make symbolic links from within wildcards
[22:18] <Polt{laptop}> that fixed totem
[22:18] <Polt{laptop}> so I "was" right
[22:18] <Polt{laptop}> :D
[22:19] <Polt{laptop}> ok but now the sound applet is taking time to respond
[22:19] <Polt{laptop}> still though audio works
[22:20] <Polt{laptop}> so now I will logout and log back in
[22:20] <Polt{laptop}> I may end up having to remove totem and reinstall it though since the gstreamer visualization effects are not working for me now
[22:20] <Polt{laptop}> they worked in root earlier as I mentioned also about audio
[22:20] <Polt{laptop}> I think these are config errors
[22:21] <StevenMyers> need some help really quick guys
[22:21] <bjsnider> Polt{laptop}, gstreamer visualizations are a big deal?
[22:21] <Bigshot_> BluesKaj: it's not connecting
[22:22] <Bigshot_> i did python setup.py configure/install
[22:22] <StevenMyers> Karmic won't load on kernel 2.31 but it will for 2.15. 2.31 goes to X terminal with no GUI
[22:23] <Bigshot_> BluesKaj: you there bud>?
[22:23] <Polt{laptop}> I have also noticed that if I move the volume slider when testing the mic on monitor settings the audio system stops responding
[22:24] <vigo> That is like Doctor it hurts when I do this...
[22:25] <StevenMyers> hehe
[22:25] <vigo> Polt: srry, had to go for a hint at humor there.
[22:25] <StevenMyers> Anyone else running Karmic on kernel 2.6.31-9.29?
[22:26] <Polt{laptop}> lol
[22:27] <Polt{laptop}> ok now it is telling me it could not get / set settings on resource when I try to play sound in totem
[22:27] <Polt{laptop}> this is still better than what it was doing before though
[22:28] <Bigshot_> there's no "logical name" for my wireless card wht should i do? lshw -C network
[22:28] <bucky> StevenMyers, i put a hold on the kernel right after install and still have linux-image-2.6.31-6-generic
[22:29] <StevenMyers> Ok so basically remove the kernel and keep the image so it loads the gui?
[22:29] <bucky> I don't know if that's a good idea or not but people have reported your problem here a lot.. some kernels work with some video and some don't
[22:29] <StevenMyers> I have the NVidia card
[22:29] <bucky> StevenMyers, do you have an older kernel that works that you can boot to in the grub menu?
[22:30] <StevenMyers> Yep on it right now
[22:30] <StevenMyers> <IP_ADDRESS>-generic
[22:31] <StevenMyers> But it's not the one I need as it doesn't perform correctly on the load of the login
[22:31] <bucky> try linux-image-2.6.31-6-generic ?
[22:32] <bucky> isnt' <IP_ADDRESS>-generic like from jaunty?
[22:32] <vigo> <IP_ADDRESS> generic here
[22:32] <StevenMyers> @bucky: it is
[22:32] <StevenMyers> the 31 goes to X terminal with no GUI
[22:33] <Bigshot_> there's no "logical name" for my wireless card wht should i do? lshw -C network i use broadcom 4322
[22:33] <StevenMyers> Says No kernel image found
[22:33] <StevenMyers> Normal boot
[22:33] <bjsnider> StevenMyers, did you just upgrade from jaunty?
[22:33] <StevenMyers> Aye
[22:33] <vigo> Bigshot: what does lspci show?
[22:33] <StevenMyers> Never had this problem before when I upgraded a few days ago
[22:33] <bjsnider> StevenMyers, what nvidia card?
[22:34] <StevenMyers> Integrated NVidia Geforce4 MX
[22:34] <bjsnider> oh
[22:34] <Bigshot_> vigo: Wilreless lan controller (rev 01)
[22:34] <bjsnider> ok, so you're out of the game for now
[22:34] <Polt{laptop}> I'm going to remove python 2.6
[22:34] <Polt{laptop}> and reinstall it
[22:34] <StevenMyers> ;-)
[22:34] <bjsnider> none of the drivers will work for you until nvidia updates the old ones to work witht he new kernel
[22:34] <Polt{laptop}> this is something else worth trying
[22:34] <StevenMyers> Yeah NVidia is not supported on karmic kernel
[22:34] <Bigshot_> broadcom corp
[22:34] <vigo> Bigshot: It is an onboard chipset dongle?
[22:34] <bjsnider> typically on the last day before an ubuntu release
[22:34] <Polt{laptop}> alot of these errors actually are being reported back as py symbols
[22:35] <Bigshot_> vigo: it is a tablet pc
[22:35] <StevenMyers> I'll let it sit on the jaunty kernel and wait for the public release
[22:35] <Polt{laptop}> meaning that these errors are python related
[22:35] <BluesKaj> Bigshot_, do an iwconfig , but isuggest you join #wicd chat for further assistance, they are willing to help
[22:36] <bjsnider> StevenMyers, you could try the nouveau driver, which is for newer cards, or the nv driver, which will give you a basic desktop i suppose
[22:36] <bjsnider> StevenMyers, or...you could throw that old thing out
[22:36] <StevenMyers> lol
[22:36] <StevenMyers> Yeah I do need to upgrade it with an ATI
[22:37] <vigo> Bigshot: Did you sudo lshw etc etc etc?
[22:37] <Bigshot_> BluesKaj: iwconfig shows no wireless extensions found
[22:37] <Bigshot_> yes
[22:37] <Bigshot_> vigo
[22:37] <vigo> Bigshot: hrmm,,it says on the forums, here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=425832
[22:38]  * BluesKaj tries to drain lappy battery to get rid of battery memory
[22:38] <vigo> Bigshot_: What version?
[22:38] <StevenMyers> Second question "n00b question". How do you keep the terminal in the same position you had it on when you reboot?
[22:38] <Bigshot_> version of what?
[22:38] <vigo> The distro
[22:38] <StevenMyers> I have Alltray and it loads in the same spot even though it was moved to another location.
[22:39] <BluesKaj> Bigshot_, #wicd chat can help
[22:39] <Bigshot_> yeah i am ther
[22:39] <funkyHat> StevenMyers: maybe there is a configuration option or a config file for alltray?
[22:39]  * funkyHat does not know what alltray is *
[22:40] <BluesKaj> ok, my battery is at 8%, I'll be on my pc soon
[22:40] <alteregoa> question: how can i get rid of 28x kernels?
[22:41] <StevenMyers> @funkyHay: There is a config file but the modifications are not in GUI. It's used to place items on the top menu panel on boot. Such as Startup Items or Sessions
[22:41] <alteregoa> i got a programm called hausmeister krause
[22:41] <alteregoa> does hausmeister krause clean the old kernels?
[22:43] <StevenMyers> Nevermind, found my issue. It's in geometrix for the position on the screen such as: 750x460+850+715
[22:43] <keith> does karmic have a sound mixer?
[22:43] <Polt{laptop}> it is in pulseaudio
[22:44] <keith> Polt{laptop}, so... not one like before.
[22:45] <Polt{laptop}> nope
[22:45] <Polt{laptop}> it is different in karmic
[22:45] <Polt{laptop}> in karmic it has a different layout
[22:45] <Polt{laptop}> it seems like it relies more on pulseaudio
[22:45] <Polt{laptop}> and currently I am troubleshooting my own system to make sure sound will work correctly
[22:46] <keith> can I enable surround sound from it? or do I need to change the pulse daemon config file?
[22:46] <Polt{laptop}> something about apparmor said it was forcing complain mode
[22:46] <Polt{laptop}> I don't know what that is all about
[22:47] <Polt{laptop}> something to this effect
[22:47] <Polt{laptop}> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apparmor/+bug/401109
[22:50] <alteregoa> does grub plays sound on startup?
[22:51] <Daviey> alteregoa: no
[22:51] <vigo> Polt(laptop): Is ufw enabled or am I on the wrong path?
[22:51] <Polt{laptop}> no
[22:51] <Polt{laptop}> I use firestarter
[22:51] <Polt{laptop}> I actually don't use ufw
[22:51] <alteregoa> yeah prodigy rocks!
[22:52] <jack_> hi, I upgraded to ubuntu 9.10 from 9.04 version, all worked just fine, and after reboot, X doesn't start. All xorg packages are install but not working ! :|
[22:52] <vigo> Polt(laptop) Yes you do, I think,
[22:52] <BUGabundo> vigo: its disabled by defautl
[22:52] <vigo> Oh ok
[22:52] <vigo> I just enabled it
[22:52] <BUGabundo> jack_: what kernel, gpu, and gpu drivers?
[22:53] <jack_> kernel 2.6.31
[22:53] <jack_> installed by ubuntu 9.10
[22:53] <DanaG> heh, I have a spare laptop with an MX video card (it's really a geforce2, essentially!).
[22:53] <alteregoa> ah
[22:53] <DanaG> Even in Intrepid release, the nvidia binaries have been broken.
[22:53] <jack_> and nvidia driver..
[22:53] <alteregoa> geforce 440 need legacy
[22:53] <DanaG> All they do is segfault the X server.  Every time.
[22:53] <jack_> I have just the console here
[22:53] <jack_> :|
[22:53] <DanaG> So yeah, nvidia legacy sucks.  horribly.
[22:54] <DanaG> I mean, I can understand it being slow.... but segfaulting the X server at login, is inexcusable.
[22:54] <alteregoa> i had this card before on my old system i added now two gtx295 instead for fah
[22:54] <jack_> I have fx 5200 and X doesn't start :|
[22:54] <bjsnider> DanaG, that hardware is older than jesus's ancestors
[22:55] <DanaG> Yeah, so they should open the damn specs.
[22:55] <BUGabundo> alteregoa: try to write on a single line, or else ill lose the text
[22:55] <DanaG> I'm glad that's just a spare laptop.
[22:55] <bjsnider> buy a netbook. new, cheap, no graphics issues
[22:55] <DanaG> gma500?  do not want!
[22:56] <DanaG> =þ
[22:56] <DanaG> Anyway, I already have my good laptop.
[22:56] <DanaG> If I wanted a new spare system, I'd consider something ARM-based.
[22:56] <bjsnider> yes, with your awesome ati card
[22:56] <alteregoa> i need to increase my MTU OK BUGabundo
[22:57] <DanaG> Actually, my ATI card works well enough for me.
[22:57] <jack_> So, anybody knows how to start graphics on 9.10 ?
[22:58] <bjsnider> jack_, two possibilities: nouveau driver and nv
[22:58] <Polt{laptop}> I did a sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a
[22:58] <alteregoa> i assume grub2 uses vesa to access highres?
[22:58] <Polt{laptop}> I am going to reconfig my entire system I think
[22:59] <BUGabundo> jack_: well not easy
[22:59] <Polt{laptop}> just to be sure it is like a fresh insteall sort of
[22:59] <BUGabundo> what does .xsession-errors say?
[22:59] <BUGabundo> Polt{laptop}: I did that a few times in the past
[22:59] <BUGabundo> then I stop doing it
[22:59] <BUGabundo> took me HOURs to finnish
[22:59] <BUGabundo> alteregoa: there's a bug on that.
[22:59] <Polt{laptop}> yeah it can take awhile
[23:00] <Polt{laptop}> I had to do it earlier with sidux in vmware
[23:01] <secretdude> how do i get rid of sysklogd?
[23:01] <secretdude> its residual config in synaptic
[23:03] <alteregoa> grub for 1024x768:24 is 792
[23:03] <jack_> bjsnider: nouveau driver works for Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 ?
[23:04] <Polt{laptop}> when I finish this it might look even better than it looked before because of setting up fonts
[23:04] <Polt{laptop}> I made the fonts just barely smaller
[23:04] <Polt{laptop}> when it loads up it may look a bit more sleek
[23:05] <Polt{laptop}> and after I finish all of this ...
[23:05] <Polt{laptop}> then I have to get the "old" legacy version of grub and reinstall it
[23:05] <Polt{laptop}> and revert
[23:06] <bjsnider> jack_, i don't know
[23:06] <bjsnider> worth a try
[23:08] <jack_> I'm trying right now :)
[23:25] <alteregoa> ok grub2-splashimages rocks
[23:29] <commander_> which alpha is this?>
[23:29] <BUGabundo> 5
[23:30] <alteregoa> someone help me for a problem with tuncfg?
[23:31] <bucky> alteregoa, type tun  does it say you have a tun ?
[23:31] <bucky> alteregoa, sorry type ifconfig
[23:32] <alteregoa> no a program on startup needs admin rights, and im sick of enter the password
[23:35] <bucky> alteregoa, does tuncfg start up when you login?
[23:35] <bucky> and ask you for a passwd?
[23:35] <alteregoa> yeah
[23:36] <alteregoa> should i chown the program?
[23:37] <bucky> alteregoa, is this for hamachi?
[23:38] <alteregoa> yes
[23:38] <bucky> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1165106
[23:39] <alteregoa> ah thanks you are good
[23:42] <bucky> search term on that was  tuncfg asks for a password   it was the first hit that said ubuntu
[23:44] <DanaG> hmm, you can add "tuncfg" into /etc/rc.local
[23:45] <DanaG> that's a whole lot easier.
[23:46] <alteregoa> yeah
[23:47] <Bigshot_> i instaled ati-radeon driver but xorg is not starting what should i do?
[23:47] <alteregoa> do i need to enter the path too?
[23:47] <alteregoa> e.g /usr/sbin/tuncfg?
[23:50] <DanaG> hmm, you might as well, if you know what it is.
[23:50] <DanaG> though, it probably doesn't need the whole path, since /usr/sbin is in root's $PATH