[14:34]  * _MMA_ waves.
[14:38] <kwwii> hey man
[14:39] <_MMA_> kwwii: Bug squishin' this mornin' I see.
[14:40] <kwwii> yepp
[14:46] <_MMA_> bbl
[15:34] <dilomo> thorwil: hi
[15:35] <thorwil> hi dilomo
[15:35] <dilomo> the metacity buttons are driving me crazy :)
[15:36] <dilomo> can't make them
[15:36] <thorwil> dilomo: good. maybe something brilliant will be born out of your craziness! ;)
[15:36] <dilomo> :D I hope so
[15:37] <dilomo> what do you think:
[15:37] <dilomo> - 3 separate buttons or
[15:37] <dilomo> - big one (like vista)
[15:38] <dilomo> anybody else is welcomed to share its opinion
[15:39] <thorwil> dilomo: i think you should work out the Why, and the What-to-achieve first
[15:39] <dilomo> well Why?
[15:40] <dilomo> because the 3 buttons look old
[15:40] <dilomo> but are functional and the one big is trendy and will match the theme better (mayber)
[15:41] <dilomo> I want to achieve modern look but to keep or improve the functionality of the buttons (e.g. the X is bigger)
[15:43] <thorwil> dilomo: well, regarding general usability, you should large, clearly defined target areas. also the most clear icons possible. the standard trio isn't exactly self-explanatory, but it is well known
[15:44] <thorwil> dilomo: then it might be good to have some separation between minimize/maximize and close, as they operate on different levels and only Close is "risky"
[15:45] <dilomo> hmm interesting idea
[15:45] <dilomo> I just got a glimmer
[15:47] <dilomo> thorwil: but there is one problem: when you turn on your compiz effects it adds more buttons to every window thus making some of them with close and maximize only. Then the theme will look unfinished. For reference you can see the current one.
[15:48] <thorwil> dilomo: that's new to me
[15:50] <dilomo> So henerally there are four main cases: 1. The three buttons 2. Only close 3. Only close on toolwindows 4.Close and minimize. Metacity is made to work with these types and my theme handles them
[15:50]  * thorwil has custom compiz settings and only the usual 3 buttons
[15:51] <dilomo> but when compoziting is enabled then more butons are added for examble on messageboxes where they are not needed at all.
[15:57] <dilomo> thorwil: wait a while to make scetches and upload them
[15:59] <dilomo> meanwhile what do you associate circle and square with and why?
[16:01] <thorwil> circle? head, ball, sun, moon, boobs. square: architecture
[16:02] <kwwii> thorwil said boobs
[16:02] <kwwii> :p
[16:02] <thorwil> kwwii said boobs ;p
[16:03] <kwwii> hehe
[16:03] <kwwii> just 'cause you said it first :)
[16:04] <dilomo> :) what's up kwwii
[16:05] <kwwii> dilomo: spent the day hunting down bugs
[16:05] <kwwii> fixed three and got mroe info on some others
[16:05] <kwwii> icon theme maintainence has nothing to do with fun
[16:06] <dilomo> :) that's true
[16:06] <dilomo> btw in the near future I will ship a new version of New Wave
[16:08] <dilomo> if you want it to be exclusively for Ubuntu users firs before others tell me to drop you a message when it's done so you could upload it to the repos
[16:09] <Nece228> maybe i dont need to say that, but we all are bored of flat themes
[16:10] <dilomo> thorwil: http://www.piccdrop.com/images/1229616541.jpg the quick sketches
[16:10] <dilomo> Niece228: an you bew more specific?
[16:10] <dilomo> Nece228: sorry I misspelled your name
[16:11] <Nece228> dilomo: no problem
[16:12] <Nece228> dilomo: i mean look at clearlooks theme
[16:12] <Nece228> also ubuntu dust theme is doing great job because it has more gradients
[16:13] <kwwii> dilomo: definitely, I need to update dust as well
[16:13] <thorwil> dilomo: perhaps you could draw the close button as part of the titlebar (taking full hight, touching the right edge) and the other buttons ... smaller, as buttons
[16:13] <thorwil> yeah, more gradients. and cowbell!
[16:13] <dilomo> Nece228: have you seen the lates development screens from New Wave
[16:13] <Nece228> thorwil: i know you hate me, but are you russian?
[16:14] <Nece228> dilomo: no
[16:14] <dilomo> Nece228: no I'm bulgarian
[16:14] <thorwil> Nece228: no and no
[16:14] <dilomo> Nece228: why should I hate you
[16:15] <Nece228> thorwil: it looks like in your picture you writing in cyrillic
[16:15] <Nece228> dilomo: hehe, i talked to thorwil
[16:15] <Nece228> dilomo: but i would like to see latest development screens
[16:15] <thorwil> Nece228: and you mistook dilomo's picture for mine, apparently
[16:16] <Nece228> thorwil: oops, sorry
[16:17] <dilomo> thorwil: I have done this in the current version. The X is bigger but it looks like a key.
[16:17] <Nece228> dilomo: but im not sure, oxygen style looks kinda flat but its stylish
[16:18] <dilomo> Nece228: sure here we go:
[16:18] <dilomo> http://www.piccdrop.com/images/1229617086.png
[16:18] <thorwil> dilomo: not at all what i mean
[16:19] <dilomo> the metacity now relflects active inactive state and is much better to use and look at
[16:20] <dilomo> thorwil: you imagined the x go to the right border right?
[16:20] <Nece228> dilomo: unique and professional
[16:20] <thorwil> dilomo: yes. like it would be a cut-out of the titlebar. as button, not a hole
[16:21] <dilomo> Nece228: thanks
[16:21] <Nece228> dilomo: especcialy i like that menubar (or how its called) and window borders colors are same
[16:22] <dilomo> thorwil: can you sketch it?
[16:23] <dilomo> Nece228: How do you think I could improve the metacity buttons?
[16:23] <Nece228> dilomo: i think its perfect now for me
[16:23] <zniavre> bonjour
[16:24] <zniavre> please how to set menu buttons with apps icon ?
[16:24] <zniavre> for metacity *
[16:25] <dilomo> zniavre: what do you mean?
[16:25] <thorwil> dilomo: sure
[16:26] <zniavre> dilomo:  just saw in your screenshot > on the left side it's menu buttons but it display application icon , am i wrong ?
[16:28] <dilomo> ahhh this. hmm I don't actually know (don't remember). You can check it out on the current version of the theme:
[16:28] <dilomo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/New%20Wave
[16:29] <Nece228> dilomo: by the way nice photo in your screensho
[16:29] <dilomo> Nece228: thanks. It is of a church in the capital of Bulgaria
[16:32] <zniavre> ok thank you
[16:39]  * dilomo is wondering what is thorwil "cooking" for the sketch
[16:45] <thorwil> dilomo: http://www.piccdrop.com/images/1229618706.png
[16:45] <thorwil> dilomo: not quite right as is, just shows the idea
[16:46] <dilomo> interesting :) Maybe just align the other buttons' bottom to the X's bottom
[16:47] <dilomo> So you suggest thet there is no "Fill" only ethced in borders of the buttons
[16:48] <dilomo> this might turn ot to be very cool when done. I'm starting the work on it ;)
[16:48] <thorwil> dilomo: not necessarily. it's only about the button layout
[16:50] <dilomo> this could be don with circles respectively
[17:01] <dilomo> but squares with round angles look better, more traditional
[17:12] <Nece228> dilomo: you are catholic that you are making photos of churches?
[17:13] <dilomo> Nece228: i'm christian
[17:13] <Nece228> dilomo: cool, just like me :)
[17:13] <dilomo> and have to make photos for a project. btw where are you from Nece228
[17:14] <Nece228> dilomo: lithuania
[17:15] <Nece228> dilomo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuania
[17:16] <dilomo> cool :) you ghave interesting rural architecture
[17:16] <dilomo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgaria
[17:17] <Nece228> dilomo: i heard about bulgaria
[17:18] <dilomo> ok just posted it to see in the religion section the same churck
[17:19] <dilomo> church*
[17:20] <Nece228> dilomo: lithuania's religion is catholiv
[17:22] <Nece228> dilomo: i actually hate catholics
[17:22] <dilomo> yes I thought so but did not know how to express the  "Orthodox Church" term
[17:22] <dilomo> Nece228: why so?
[17:23] <Nece228> dilomo: there are many reasons
[17:23] <Nece228> dilomo: bible wrote line like you cant try to picture god's photo
[17:24] <Nece228> dilomo: look how many jesus pictures there are
[17:24] <Nece228> dilomo: all these photos sucks
[17:24] <Nece228> dilomo: its more likely a hippie than a jesus
[17:24] <dilomo> Nece228: yes there are but all the icons in the ortodox churches express the same God
[17:25] <dilomo> Nece228: well the details may not be the same but the inspiration is
[17:25] <Nece228> dilomo: well but we must agree with everythink what is writed in bible
[17:26] <Nece228> dilomo: if anyone who will add or remove somethink to bible, will burn in hell
[17:26] <Nece228> dilomo: read the end lines in new testament
[17:26] <Nece228> dilomo: catholics added so much to bible
[17:27] <Nece228> dilomo: anyway i dont think its right channel to talk about religion
[17:27] <dilomo> Nece228: :) why then you don't change your religion?
[17:27] <dilomo> Nece228: me too
[17:28] <Nece228> dilomo: well im a real christian, i agree with everythink what is in bible
[17:28] <thorwil> Nece228: you can only claim that if you didn't read it
[17:29] <Nece228> dilomo: what do you mean by this?
[17:29] <dilomo> Nece228: what?
[17:29] <knome> actually there was some ubuntu rules which didn't permit talking about religion.
[17:30] <Nece228> knome: yeah
[17:30]  * dilomo shuts up
[17:30] <knome> maybe you can set up #somechannelwhereyoucantalkaboutreligion
[17:30] <Nece228> dilomo: i mean your last post, you can still pm me
[17:30] <Nece228> knome: we are apologising
[17:31] <knome> np. i personally am not distracted by this, but i want to obey the rules ;)
[17:31] <Nece228> i think theres already channel called #christian
[17:31] <knome> sure. but if you want to talk about cross-religiously
[17:31] <knome> *-about
[17:32] <Nece228> yes this channel works
[17:34] <Nece228> thorwil: i read it, im a philosopher
[17:37] <Nece228> thorwil: or should i say troll-philosopher :)
[17:38] <thorwil> Nece228: it is full of contradictions. you brought up the topic that doesn't belong here and i will not say any more single word about it
[17:39] <darkmatter> you mean troll-village-idiot-philosopher, right? :D
[17:40] <Nece228> darkmatter: sorry, but i know about science more than you
[17:41] <Nece228> darkmatter: but i dont care really what you say :D
[17:41] <knome> ok boys, stop flaming.
[17:41] <darkmatter> my former professors would disagree. Now that that is a done arguement /ignore dumbass troll
[17:42] <dilomo> This is supposed to be artwork channel
[17:43] <darkmatter> tell that to the troll I put on ignore, or better yet, someone op n kick him :)
[17:43] <darkmatter> then we can all return to the artwork :D
[17:44] <thorwil> ack
[17:46]  * thorwil -> dinner
[18:02]  * dilomo eating and wathicng TV
[18:22] <darkmatter> I loath tv (well, most of it) I prefer to eat and read my new feeds
[19:22] <SealV> I dont like the yellow background for the text that is in black.
[19:26] <dilomo> I'm back
[19:26] <thorwil> I like the black text for the background that is in yellow
[19:26] <dilomo> SealV: what are you talking about
[19:27] <SealV> http://same-gfx.deviantart.com/art/screenflow-portfolio-81710478
[19:27] <SealV> manzur posted it
[19:28] <dilomo> I like it
[19:29] <thorwil> where's the yellow there?
[19:29] <dilomo> thorwil: I tried to the variant you proposed but it is not possible because the metacity eats my corners if I push the image too right. Here's another idea I got:
[19:29] <dilomo> http://www.piccdrop.com/images/1229628437.png
[19:30] <SealV> http://ebupof.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-website-84984292
[19:30] <SealV> wrong link, meant the yellow in there
[19:30] <_MMA_> dilomo: I like those buttons.
[19:32] <SealV> wait: is the ff window and the players windows button the same? I like the key like shape of the ff window as well
[19:33] <thorwil> SealV: oh, that. yes, someone ran deep into the coffee-grey-brown trap there
[19:33] <dilomo> _MMA_: thanks but doesn't the X button look to vertica and thus beaing alien to the titlebar
[19:33] <thorwil> dilomo: no. but you could make it a little wider
[19:34] <dilomo> SealV: the key shape is the old metacity of New Wave and the player is the new WIP
[19:34] <thorwil> dilomo: how about turning the - and ^ into buttons of the same shapes?
[19:34] <_MMA_> dilomo: You mean the top of the button frame isn't supposed to touch of the titlebar?
[19:35] <thorwil> _MMA_: it is. original idea was http://www.piccdrop.com/images/1229618706.png
[19:35] <_MMA_> Ahh...
[19:36] <dilomo> thorwil: It is WIP so I am not till there yet :)
[19:37] <dilomo> the tricky thing is with the other two buttons
[19:38] <dilomo> because if I make them joined then they will not look good in all applications but if I make themseparate they will look too clumsy. However I will try both variants
[19:44] <_MMA_> dilomo: What apps mess up when they are joined?
[19:45] <_MMA_> Like apps that only use 1 or 2 buttons?
[19:46] <dilomo> _MMA_: exactly. The worse thing is when you turn on comizp and it adss additional button combinations like max/close that make no sense
[19:51] <_MMA_> dilomo: I'm sure Metacity lets you add sections for that case.
[19:55] <_MMA_> Hmm... Wait. That might be for "tool" windows I'm thinking of. In any case, I would still be surprised if there wasn't a way to do it.
[19:59] <dilomo> _MMA_: Yes you could specify different images for tool and dialog windows but as far as I know you could not do so for combination of buttons.
[20:30] <dilomo> Here are the latest changes but they don't look as cool as expected imo:
[20:30] <dilomo> http://www.piccdrop.com/images/1229632192.png
[20:31] <_MMA_> dilomo: Maybe move things closer to the top of the titlebar?
[20:32] <dilomo> hmm it will look like vista then
[20:50] <dilomo> thorwil: any ideas
[20:51] <thorwil> no, empty
[20:52] <dilomo> I somehow should decrease the "heavy" effect of these buttons
[20:53] <_MMA_> dilomo: Well I wouldn't exactly stray away from the idea. I think it can work fine as long as you stay away from the coloring they use.
[20:53] <_MMA_> Of maybe something like the Fedora metacity?
[20:55] <dilomo> _MMA_: theirs is more lightwieght. The lines are less and thinner. The X button was cool by itself but the other two are way too much in the "glass"
[20:56] <dilomo> PRobably it would be good to make them with horizontal look to be opposite of the vertical X
[21:01] <dilomo> the thing is that I don't clearly know what I want the final product to look like and that is stopping me right now. This metacity looks good:
[21:01] <dilomo> http://linux.softpedia.com/screenshots/Gaia-Siberia-Metacity_1.jpg
[21:04] <_MMA_> dilomo: Interesting.
[21:04] <thorwil> bras as wm icons??
[21:05] <dilomo> wm?
[21:05] <thorwil> window-manager
[21:06] <thorwil> good night!
[21:07] <dilomo> bye
[21:08] <dilomo> I have to run too
[21:08] <dilomo> cya
[22:50] <kwwii> oh well, night


[04:35] <maruq> hi, not sure if I'm in the right room, but seem to having an issue with Ubuntu AMIs + EBS volumes
[04:36] <maruq> I'm using AMIs based on Alestic ami-06ad526f, when I attach an EBS volume it doesn't show up
[04:37] <maruq> I went back to using that pure AMI (no mods), and same thing, no EBS volume
[04:37] <maruq> It shows up fine on the 10.10 AMI (ami-ccf405a5) though
[04:38] <maruq> also shows up fine on Amazon Linux
[04:39] <maruq> I'm using the command line tools (ec2-create-volume, ec2-attach-volume, ec2-describe-volume)
[04:40] <maruq> then logging in to the node, and trying to mount the volume (/dev/sdh) to my own dir (/mnt/redis)
[04:40] <maruq> anyone got any ideas?
[04:48] <flaccid> maruq: you should use the official canonical AMIs if not already
[04:48] <flaccid> i know they certainly work
[04:48] <flaccid> you'll find devices attached as /dev/xvd* not /dev/sd*
[04:49] <flaccid> after attachment check /proc/partitions, fdisk -l and ec2-describe-volumes
[04:49] <maruq> The ones on Alestic page say Canonical published?
[04:49] <maruq> oh, thanks, I'll check xvdh
[04:52] <maruq> seems to be there, thanks
[04:52] <flaccid> np
[04:52] <maruq> although AWS API seems to only take /dev/sd*, which in turn maps to /dev/xvd*
[04:52] <maruq> ?
[04:53] <flaccid> correct
[04:53] <maruq> little confusing there… oh well, problem solved
[04:53] <maruq> thanks
[04:53] <flaccid> its because aws forked xen
[04:54] <maruq> okay, although it seems to suggest on windows it'll take xvd*?
[04:54] <maruq> I don't know enough about xen though
[04:54] <flaccid> yes
[04:54] <flaccid> xen virtual device..
[04:55] <Udit> hi, I`m beginner to cloud OS. i have my minor project on cloud can u please suggest me some challenging and pratical project?
[04:56] <maruq> okay, well, it seems to work. thanks
[04:56] <flaccid> Udit: http://google.com/
[04:56] <flaccid> Udit: or just see topic and make UEC your project, good luck
[04:56] <flaccid> maruq: its because ubuntu would need to patch the kernel to support /dev/sd* on the instance..
[04:56] <Udit> thanks, whats UEC?
[04:57] <flaccid> Udit: follow and read the links in the topic
[04:57] <maruq> @flaccid: okay, that's cool. I'll just note it down
[04:57] <Udit> okay thanks
[04:57] <Udit> :)
[04:58] <maruq> @Udit: UEC = Ubuntu Enterprise Cloud (a sort of AWS EC2 on your own servers).
[04:58] <Udit> its like eye OS??
[04:59] <maruq> @Udit: Not sure what subject you're doing for, but sciences or maths usually have a lot of fun problems to solve
[04:59] <Udit> ok
[05:01] <Udit> do u noe abt the phovirtualbox
[05:01] <Udit> ?
[05:01] <flaccid> Udit: off-topic. goto #virtualbox
[05:01] <Udit> thanks
[05:01] <maruq> good luck
[05:02] <Udit> which network oi need to select fr #virtualbox
[05:03] <flaccid> this network
[05:03] <Udit> ok thanks again
[07:48] <codec> hmm.. i created an EMI with vmbuilder and am running it as m1.xlarge (20G disk on my UEC) but i only have a 10G sda in the instance?
[07:49] <codec> is this related to calling vmbuilder with --rootsize=10240?
[09:56] <kim0> codec: when you sudo fdisk -l .. do you see 20G
[10:09] <codec> no
[10:10] <kim0> hmm
[10:10] <kim0> wait around someone should hopefully be able to help


[19:56] <alteregoa> oscar goldman can help me to install bionic beaver
[21:20] <valorie> alteregoa: Daily builds: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[21:20] <valorie> right from the /topic


[14:55] <daker> hey cjohnston what the name of the package you uploaded to debian ?
[16:04] <cjohnston> daker: django-adminaudit
[16:04] <daker> thanks


[06:00] <razGon_> hello!!
[07:15] <YoBoY> bonjour
[08:43] <dholbach> good morning
[09:10] <bassem> czajkowski, did you recieve my email?
[09:13] <czajkowski> bassem: yes will look into it today was busy at work yesterday.
[09:13] <czajkowski> bassem: can take some time but will get it resolved for you
[09:13] <bassem> czajkowski, thank you
[09:13] <bassem> czajkowski, are you also responsible for<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[09:14] <czajkowski> bassem: nope I'm one of the folks on the loco council
[09:14] <bassem> bassem, ok thank you again :-)
[09:15] <czajkowski> np
[09:59] <hackjack> hi
[09:59] <hackjack> hi
[09:59] <hackjack> hi
[09:59] <hackjack> any1 dere
[09:59] <Ronnie> hijack
[09:59] <hackjack> hackjack
[09:59] <hackjack> joonie
[09:59] <Ronnie> ;)
[09:59] <hackjack> where r u 4m
[10:00] <Ronnie> hackjack: can you speak in full words, this is hard to understand
[10:01] <hackjack> where are you from
[10:01] <hackjack> i mean which country
[10:01] <Ronnie> The Netherlands, you?
[10:01] <hackjack> india
[10:01] <hackjack> so even you are linux fan]
[10:02] <Ronnie> more like an ubuntu fan, never liked another distribution
[10:03] <hackjack> do you use windows
[10:03] <Ronnie> is there in india an 'ubuntu bomb' exploded? last months a lot of indian come in here
[10:03] <Ronnie> not very much, sometime to play games, or update some external hardware
[10:03] <hackjack> i dont know
[10:04] <hackjack> waht is ubuntu bomb
[10:05] <hackjack> i am a noob linux user
[10:06] <hackjack> hello dude are you here
[10:07] <Ronnie> with 'Ubuntu Bomb' i mean, there in an exponential grown in users, who started with ubuntu
[10:07] <hackjack> ya
[10:07] <hackjack> it has 2 after all it is a good os
[10:11] <hackjack> waht do you do
[10:17] <Ronnie> hackjack: working on a lot of ubuntu projects, mainly web development.
[10:17] <Ronnie> hackjack: for how long do you use ubuntu?
[10:17] <hackjack> kool man
[10:17] <hackjack> just a month
[10:17] <hackjack> nice to meet you
[10:18] <hackjack> what is your age
[10:20] <Ronnie> im using ubuntu since 2006, first mainly dualboot with windows, but now almost single ubuntu, some small windows running in vm's
[10:20] <hackjack> so you work for ubuntu
[10:20] <Ronnie> as volunteer, not on payroll
[10:21] <Ronnie> there are a lot of volunteers, its pretty fun around here
[10:22] <hackjack> enen i would lke to work for ubuntu but no branch in india
[10:22] <hackjack> waht sort of wotk you do for ubuntu
[10:29] <Ronnie> web developer, for example: http://loco.ubuntu.com/
[10:30] <Ronnie> currently creating some logo's for our loco team: http://wiki.ubuntu-nl.org/Artwork/Projecten/Logos/Ubuntu-NL#Ronnie
[10:30] <Ronnie> bit of a combination between developing and designing
[10:31] <hackjack> kool man you are a dude
[10:31] <hackjack> what is your age
[10:32] <Ronnie> do you want to become a dude too, there are some free developer places ;)
[10:32] <Ronnie> im not old, still a student ;)
[10:32] <hackjack> where
[10:33] <hackjack> me too studing computer engineering
[10:33] <Ronnie> if you learn django (and we can help you with parts of that), youre very welcome to join the loco.ubuntu.com developers
[10:33] <hackjack> i m right now learning java
[10:34] <Ronnie> mhall119: yeey :D https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/django-openid-auth/fixes-642132/+merge/54193
[10:34] <Ronnie> hmm great
[10:35] <Ronnie> i only know python and javascipt
[10:35] <hackjack> i m studing applets
[10:35] <Ronnie> java applets make my browser very slow :(
[10:36] <hackjack> ya dey take time 2 load
[10:37] <hackjack> even when i m learning it it takes time 2 load
[10:37] <Ronnie> whats the adventage of java applets?
[10:37] <hackjack> what is django
[10:38] <hackjack> applet is just a feature of java as other
[10:38] <hackjack> bunt now for web phop is just boming
[10:38] <hackjack> i mean php
[10:39] <hackjack> you are on facebook
[10:40] <RawChid> Please avoid Java Applets
[10:40] <RawChid> For your own sake
[10:40] <hackjack> ?
[10:40] <hackjack> i didnt get you
[10:41] <RawChid> Java Applets are outdated imho
[10:41] <Ronnie> i agree that java isn't supposed to be on the web
[10:41] <RawChid> THe idea was nice in the '90
[10:42] <hackjack> ya i agree php is latest techniloght
[10:42] <RawChid> Not on the client. It's excellent for server software ;)
[10:43] <Ronnie> even php is not the latest technology (altought its getting better than before)
[10:43] <hackjack> you both are on facebook
[10:44] <Ronnie> ruby on rails and django ( both RAD (rapid application develoment) is the future IMHO
[10:44] <RawChid> You can't compare Java Applets with php
[10:44] <hackjack> which 1 is better
[10:44] <Ronnie> java can be compared better with flash
[10:45] <Ronnie> hackjack: its not that one is better than the other
[10:45] <Ronnie> choose the right tool for the right job
[10:45] <Ronnie> but i prefer django, because its python based
[10:45] <RawChid> The right tool for the right job
[10:46] <hackjack> i heard this name first tine
[10:46] <RawChid> Java Applet was intended for RIA's, php is server side scripting
[10:47] <hackjack> RIA
[10:47] <Ronnie> Django in an framework that let you create dynamic HTML+CSS+Javascript webpages. Django itself is running on the server en created the HTML files on the fly when the user requests it.
[10:47] <Ronnie> RIA = Rich Internet Application
[10:48] <RawChid> Like Flash (jQuery?)
[10:48] <RawChid> JavaFX
[10:48] <hackjack> guys i want to communicate u people late so can you tell how
[10:48] <RawChid> I don't understand that sentence
[10:49] <hackjack> how can we communicate with you late
[10:50] <RawChid> later on? I'm sticking around in this chan, you may ping me
[10:50] <Ronnie> you can find us here and in several other channels
[10:51] <hackjack> are you there on facebok
[10:51] <RawChid> If you want to contact me, I'm here
[10:52] <hackjack> are you people chating form browser or shell
[10:54] <Ronnie> GUI (pidgin)
[10:54] <Ronnie> i can see your on the freenode webpage
[10:55] <hackjack> is it in ubuntu linux
[10:55] <Ronnie> yes
[10:56] <hackjack> kool
[10:56] <Ronnie> im thinking to create an ubuntu webchat app based on IRC (and Jabber)-> http://ubuntuone.com/p/frF/
[10:56] <Ronnie> oops, wrong link
[10:56] <Ronnie> http://ubuntuone.com/p/jqX/
[10:57] <hackjack> kool
[10:57] <hackjack> is it gui app
[10:58] <hackjack> from where did you lear dat django
[10:58] <Ronnie> http://ubuntuone.com/p/mDI/
[10:58] <Ronnie> there are very good documentation and tutorials for django
[10:58] <Ronnie> http://www.djangobook.com/
[10:58] <Ronnie> http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.3/
[10:58] <hackjack> is it freeware
[10:59] <Ronnie> its open source !
[10:59] <Ronnie> a lot better than freeware
[11:01] <hackjack> you should hav learn php
[11:01] <Ronnie> i know some PHP basics
[11:01] <Ronnie> but i like python more
[11:02] <hackjack> even i know basic input output
[11:02] <Ronnie> i dont like the OOP of PHP
[11:03] <hackjack> oop is gud
[11:04] <hackjack> any gud command of shell
[11:04] <hackjack>  i m learning shell programming right now
[11:05] <Ronnie> there are a lot of commands, i only know the basics
[11:05] <hackjack> like
[11:06] <hackjack> dont say ls -l
[11:08] <Ronnie> hackjack: did you already have a look at this page: http://www.ubuntu-in.info/wiki
[11:09] <hackjack> dudde you rock
[11:10] <Ronnie> hackjack: if you hang around a bit longer here, you will see that all Ubuntu enthusiasts rock.
[11:11] <hackjack> ya man sure i will love to
[11:11] <Ronnie> Ubuntu is not only an Operating System, its also an 'idea'
[11:12] <Ronnie> and maybe some day other ppl say to you that 'you rock'. Just start helping people who need it
[11:12] <hackjack> i need it more
[11:12] <Ronnie> start developing for ubuntu as volunteer and such
[11:13] <hackjack> how
[11:13] <hackjack> is dere any office in india of ubuntu
[11:14] <Ronnie> no, you dont need an office, you can do all the volunteer work from your on PC. The only thing you need in an internet conenction
[11:14] <Ronnie> for things in your loco, see the bottom on this page how to help:  http://www.ubuntu-in.info/wiki
[11:15] <Ronnie> but you can also choose a project on Launchpad https://launchpad.net/ and add some patches
[11:15] <Ronnie> for example: https://launchpad.net/loco-directory
[11:22] <RawChid> There is #ubuntu-in for Indian people
[11:23] <hackjack> i am a noob in this things right now
[11:24] <RawChid> Everyone has to start somewhere
[11:24] <hackjack> ya
[11:25] <hackjack> rawchild : where are you from
[11:26] <RawChid> The Netherlands
[11:26] <hackjack> same
[11:27] <RawChid> ?
[11:27] <RawChid> I thought you were Indian...
[11:27] <hackjack> ya i m indian
[11:27] <RawChid> I've been to Hyderabad :P
[11:28] <hackjack> kool place
[11:29] <hackjack> sacred also
[11:29] <hackjack> what do you do raw child
[11:32] <RawChid> I was there on a Study Trip
[11:37] <hackjack> you know shell programming
[11:41] <hackjack> this wb browser thing is bit tedious
[11:44] <RawChid> I see
[11:44] <Ronnie> hackjack: whats wrong with the web chat thing?
[11:45] <hackjack> its irrtating
[11:46] <Ronnie> what irritates you with the webchat?
[11:46] <hackjack> i dont hav a gui like you i am using windows
[11:46] <Ronnie> what are the adventages of a GUI in your opinion ?
[11:47] <RawChid> mIRC is an Windows IRC app
[11:47] <RawChid> But you can guess that I would advise to install Ubuntu :P
[11:47] <Ronnie> pidgin can be used on windows too
[11:47] <hackjack> ya i m going to
[11:48] <hackjack> there is sumting wrong with my pc so i m using windows right now
[11:48] <hackjack> to to acess other drives using shell
[11:48] <hackjack> can i hav a virtual shell on windows
[11:49] <Ronnie> hackjack: what do you mean by shell ?
[11:51] <hackjack> what you dont know shell
[11:52] <hackjack> that terminal
[11:52] <hackjack> terminal window
[11:53] <RawChid> DOS prompt?
[11:53] <RawChid> Shell can mean different things, that's why he asked
[11:54] <hackjack> yes dos is for windows and shell is for linux
[11:55] <Ronnie> there is no shell for windows (that i know, except than DOS, but thats not comparable to the power of the Linux Shell)
[11:55] <Ronnie> you can login to an other ubuntu computer shell, within windows
[11:56] <hackjack> ya so is there any virtual shell that runs on windows
[11:56] <Ronnie> That question can be better asked in #ubuntu this channel is mainly for loco organization and loco directory development
[11:57] <Ronnie> just type "/join #ubuntu" without quotes to join #ubuntu channel
[12:01] <hackjack> ya i got access
[12:05] <hackjack> no one is ready to reply me
[12:11] <hackjack>  is there any virtual terminal shell that can work on windows
[12:25] <hackjack> can any1 help
[12:25] <hackjack> me
[13:29] <mhall119> Ronnie: yay!
[13:30] <mhall119> now to figure out how to get it into LD
[13:30] <Ronnie> yea, thats not very easy too
[13:31] <mhall119> it can be
[13:31] <Ronnie> will the fix be added into natty?
[13:31] <mhall119> probably not at this point, and LD's server won't be upgraded to natty anyway, they stay with LTS releases
[13:32] <mhall119> so we can either setup a PPA, and sweet-talk to the sysadmins into adding our PPA to the server
[13:32] <mhall119> or, we add it using bzr_apps, which might take some added work depending on their branch layout
[13:33] <Ronnie> PPA should be nice, be i have no exp with creating ppa's
[13:34] <mhall119> I do, it's not hard at all, launchpad does all the work
[13:35] <Ronnie> with a PPA other apps which use the code will be helped too
[13:35] <mhall119> yup
[14:12] <nhandler> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoGettingCds could use some updating. It looks like someone started to replace intances of Maverick with Natty (incomplete), but the procedure has changed a bit (since there is no more shipit).
[14:14] <nhandler> And jono is listed as the contact at the bottom. In the past, Maria has been the one we have been sending people to with problems/questions. She should probably be listed (assuming she is still involved and handling them)
[14:52] <Pendulum> nhandler: I believe Maria stopped doing shipit 6 months ago. I can't remember who the new person is
[14:53] <Pendulum> (I could be wrong, though)
[15:39] <mhall119> Ronnie: I got confirmation that the django-openid-auth fixes will get built and placed in an internal PPA, which should make it easier to convince the sysadmins to enable it for LD
[15:39] <mhall119> I'll keep a watch on it's progress
[15:39] <Ronnie> mhall119: great :D
[15:39] <mhall119> cjohnston: dholbach: ^^
[15:55] <dholbach> mhall119, awesome
[16:10] <Daniel0108> hi mainerror
[16:11] <mainerror> hello :)


[10:48] <Fallenour> Im having issues getting lxd containers to install in my juju instances. I see this has been a bug in the past from 2017, and appears to still be a problem. Can anyone make any recommendations?
[21:39] <Fallenour> is anyone on
[21:39] <Fallenour> Ive run into a pretty serious issue with juju, and I could really use some help. Its completely blocking me from being able to build or deploy anything.
[22:02] <pmatulis> Fallenour, check logs, look for errors
[22:02] <Fallenour> there arent any
[22:02] <Fallenour> Thats the weirdest part. All it says is the same error over and over again, Image cant be found
[22:03] <pmatulis> using MAAS as the backing cloud?
[22:03] <Fallenour> I tried Juju, I tried conjure up, I even tried just deploying a basic lxd container. All failed, All same issue.
[22:03] <Fallenour> yea, howd you know?
[22:03] <Fallenour> I saw several tickets outstanding for the issue, but no solution
[22:03] <pmatulis> go to MAAS and try to Deploy on a node. so no Juju, just MAAS
[22:04] <Fallenour> I swear by the old gods and the new, I will get this working, and i will deploy it as part of my hybrid cloud solution I made, even if I have to fly to canonicals doorstep and kick it in, drag out the engineers, and build it in the parking lot.
[22:04] <Fallenour> It deploys nodes just fine
[22:04] <Fallenour> its only the containers
[22:04] <Fallenour> juju is magic, I just want it to work :(
[22:05] <Fallenour> they all fail when deploying containers
[22:05] <pmatulis> enter the deployed MAAS node and try to use LXD manually
[22:05] <Fallenour> bare metal, and 18.04LTS and 16.04LTS deployments of the base OS works fine.
[22:05] <Fallenour> I tried that. It failed.
[22:05] <Fallenour> same error when I use juju
[22:05] <pmatulis> so it's not a Juju problem then
[22:06] <Fallenour> its gotta be a juju issue
[22:06] <Fallenour> when I ssh into the box, and use LXD locally, it works
[22:06] <pmatulis> well that's what i asked you to do. you said it didn't work
[22:06] <Fallenour> And all my systems deployed by maas outside of juju deploy LXD containers just fine
[22:06] <Fallenour> oooo
[22:06] <Fallenour> sorry
[22:06] <Fallenour> yea, maas let me build them just fine
[22:07] <Fallenour> its actualyl why I migrated the existing lxd systems into juju, because they worked.
[22:07] <Fallenour> wonky with ceph, and wont work in clustered modes with ceph directly, but they do work, so I figured Id figure that issue out later.
[22:07] <pmatulis> pastebin exactly what you're trying with Juju. exact commands and output. starting from the bootstrap command
[22:08] <Fallenour> maas and juju clouds are already built, and work fine
[22:08] <Fallenour> ill start with the add-model
[22:08] <Fallenour> juju add-model cloud-000-000001
[22:08] <Fallenour> then I do
[22:08] <Fallenour> juju deploy cs:bundle/openstack-base-61
[22:09] <Fallenour> it begins by deploying the 4 maas servers, installing ubuntu 18.04LTS, which succeeds, which juju shows as deployed. Then it begins by deploying services
[22:09] <Fallenour> everyting outside of containers deploys successfully, but anythingg in the containers, or the containers themselves, all fail
[22:10] <Fallenour> Ive got this error: WARNING juju.provisioner incomplete DNS config found, discovering host's DNS config
[22:10] <Fallenour> but when I check maas, its got several DNS servers set
[22:11] <Fallenour> and I can ping google, both from the device deploying to juju, and from the machine itself
[22:11] <Fallenour> I tested that by doing: juju ssh 0
[22:11] <Fallenour> and then pinging google.


 Hey guys, after latest kde update dual monitor setup is broken. At login screen both work, after login only 1. I have Nvidia. Any fix?
[07:21] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:22] <locsmif> Does Kubuntu 21.04 (Hirsute) support different font scaling setting per monitor already?
[08:23] <locsmif> Or different scaling in general
[12:28] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:43] <AikenDrum> Hi, Does anyone know the Kubuntu equivalent of Fedora's lock group ?
[13:47] <AikenDrum> Hello ?
[13:53] <mparillo> What is Fedora's lock group?
[13:58] <AikenDrum> @mparillo: I don't know. I'm trying to get a single board computer running and its web page says that Fedora users need to add themselves to groups uucp, dialout and lock. I am already a member of groups dialout and uucp. I just need to know the name of Kubuntu's equivalent of Fedora's lock group.
[13:59] <mparillo> If it at the user admin level, then it should be the same across all flavours. I recommend you ask at #ubuntu.
[14:00] <mparillo> But it may be Fedora-specific. I cannot find anything in Ubuntu documentation and Arch does not use it: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/users_and_groups#Unused_groups
[14:01] <AikenDrum> @mparillo: I was aske at #ubuntu to try here. :-(
[14:04] <AikenDrum> @mparillo: Thanks for the link, though.
[14:06] <AikenDrum> Bye.
[17:20] <Guest0> sometimes when I launch a compilation job, the UI totally freezes for several seconds. I can't even move the mouse cursor.  For desktop it is better to use a -lowlatency kernel that does real pre-emptive multi-tasking (kernel interrupts processes forcibly)
[17:22] <oerheks> just wait until the build job is done? why do intensive tasks while building?
[17:23] <Guest0> this is a standard install, so yeah it's it's using generic. I didnt know there were others.
[17:23] <Guest0> oerheks: why stare at a frozen monitor? I'd prefer to alt-tab to something to read
[17:24] <Guest0> Since the UI is frozen, I have no choice but to wait for Kubuntu to unfreeze
[17:24] <TJ-> Guest0: yes; I've never understood why *buntu desktop installers use the -generic kernel
[17:25] <Guest0> TJ-: I'll read up on how to switch to the low-latency kernel. why dont they make -lowlatency the default on desktop installs?
[17:25] <Guest0> ha! :)
[17:26] <TJ-> Guest0: "apt install linux-lowlatency"
[17:27] <TJ-> Guest0: that'll pull in linux-{image,headers}-lowlatency which will, in turn, pull in the version-specific linux-{image,modules,headers}-$VERSION packages
[17:28] <Guest0> I haven't read up on that stuff yet, but on servers you'd suggest cooperative multi-tasking?
[17:28] <TJ-> Guest0: received wisdom seems to suggest -generic on servers but I don't see why - theycan suffer starvation even more if they host multiple hungry services
[17:30] <Guest0> oh, the low-latency kernel is much older, 5.4 vs generic's 5.11
[17:30] <TJ-> look for the -hwe- versions then
[17:31] <TJ-> Guest0: "apt-cache search linux-lowlatency-hwe* "
[20:21] <user|12> I am new to Linux and which is better Ubuntu or Kubuntu
[20:26] <user|12> can anyone help
[20:40] <valorie> user|12: kubuntu if you like the KDE Plasma environment and applications
[20:40] <valorie> if you like gnome stuff, ubuntu
[20:40] <valorie> it's all the same underneath
[20:40] <valorie> right, they left of course


[15:28] <dob1> hi, can I ask if there is some problems with firefox package on xorg ?  it's about key pressed
[15:28] <dob1> after the update that happen today it doesn't work well, go to gmail, compose a message, keep a key pressed and you can see it's very very slow
[15:29] <dob1> or if you try to use backspace you have to delete character by character
[16:11] <dob1> I filled a bug report at bugzilla