[08:06] <tjaalton> are there known issues with the ubuntu buildd's? I've some ppa builds that didn't finish after an hour (build should've taken 5-10min), and now failing to cancel
[08:19] <cjwatson> tjaalton: buildd-manager has got stuck; I've requested a restart (though there's no IS vanguard around just now, so it may take a while)
[08:20] <tjaalton> cjwatson: ok, thanks
[08:44] <cjwatson> tjaalton: Should be happier now
[08:44] <tjaalton> cjwatson: indeed!
[08:45] <seb128> cjwatson, thx! :)
[21:35] <wxl> in a project group, what is the "bug tracker" field for? i tried to throw in a url and no dice


[19:49] <crowbar> Upgraded to Lunar and looking into why I'm getting crashes on xfce4-screensaver and seeing some open issues, but is there a reason xfce4-screensaver was left on 4.16 while the rest of xfce4 seems to be 4.18 release?  dpkg-query shows xfce4-screensaver as the odd package out.  https://dpaste.org/GFVNi
[22:09] <Unit193> crowbar: Landed late in the freeze, but it's worth trying the new version if you have issues with .16


[18:27] <GridCube> ETA to meeting?
[18:28] <pleia2> I don't know if that's been decided
[18:32] <GridCube_> mmm i don't know if i got an answer while my system went down
[18:33] <Unit193> "I don't know if that's been decided"
[18:33] <GridCube_> oh i see
[18:33] <GridCube_> okay, well then i think i cant participate again :(
[18:33] <GridCube_> see you later
[21:18] <ZardoZ> Upgrade from Xubuntu 10.04 to 12.04 beta doesn't work here. Is this a bug? Or something else?
[21:23] <Unit193> "Doesn't work", can you explain?
[21:32] <ZardoZ> Of course, after starting running update-manager -d the upgrade process stops with the error "can't calculate upgrade".
[21:33] <Unit193> Try `do-release-upgrade -d`, may tell us more info.
[21:33] <ZardoZ> OK
[21:35] <ZardoZ> running the command now.
[21:37] <ZardoZ> Same error.
[21:37] <Unit193> Yes, but more info?
[21:37] <ZardoZ> An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade:
[21:37] <ZardoZ> E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be
[21:37] <ZardoZ> caused by held packages
[21:37] <ZardoZ> What info do you want to know?
[21:38] <Unit193> Seems you or a program marked a package as held.
[21:38] <Unit193> !pinning
[21:38] <ZardoZ> haven't pinned anything afaik, but will check.
[21:39] <ZardoZ> (i am a very experienced debian user)
[21:39] <ZardoZ> other causes the command gives me:
[21:40] <ZardoZ> This can be caused by:
[21:40] <ZardoZ> * Upgrading to a pre-release version of Ubuntu
[21:40] <ZardoZ> * Running the current pre-release version of Ubuntu
[21:40] <ZardoZ> * Unofficial software packages not provided by Ubuntu
[21:40] <ZardoZ> Will also double check my 3rd party repositories.
[21:41] <Unit193> Aye, I don't know for sure, but may also want to check with Pangolin support over in #ubuntu+1
[21:42] <ZardoZ> OK. I will first manually disable everything in /etc/apt/sources.list/
[21:45] <ZardoZ> same error after disabling every 3rd party sources.
[21:48] <Unit193> I do not know.
[21:48] <Unit193> Never done an LTS > LTS.
[21:50] <knome> i'm not sure if you can update from LTS to LTS-beta
[21:50] <knome> that wouldn't make much sense, would it?
[21:50] <ZardoZ> Me neither :-)
[21:50] <knome> you want long term support, but you're installing a beta version??
[21:51] <Unit193> You'd have to test it somehow, but...
[21:51] <ZardoZ> Well, this isn't a production machine.
[21:51] <knome> i understand, but that was from the packaging/releasing POV
[21:51] <knome> those who want to skip the "normal" releases probably want to skip the beta's too
[21:51] <ZardoZ> I need some extra functionality present in 12.04.
[21:52] <ZardoZ> But I have to admit, it's also a test.
[21:55] <ZardoZ> Anyway: at which moment will a upgrade be officialy possible? After the release? Or when the RC is there?
[21:55] <knome> ZardoZ, i believe it's after the release
[21:55] <ZardoZ> OK.
[21:56] <knome> and there aren't really RC's, just betas
[21:56] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[21:59] <ZardoZ> suggenstion of #ubuntu+1 is to wait a few hours. It might work then. Otherwise I will wait.
[21:59] <ZardoZ> till the official release
[22:00] <knome> yup, good luck
[22:16] <ChristopherNg> hello
[22:17] <ChristopherNg> a couple of post grad folks here, looking at some kind of ERP for ubuntu based distros.
[22:17] <ChristopherNg> want to know what you folks think of this project, we have a choice, but this is the one that seems to have caught our interest.
[22:19] <knome> ChristopherNg, you mean, creating and ERP application for ubuntu based distros?
[22:19] <ChristopherNg> yes
[22:20] <ChristopherNg> whats your feeling about something like that, could it work or will it fail from the drawing board itself?
[22:20] <knome> i don't see a reason why it wouldn't work. i don't see how that should be specifically directed to ubuntu based distros
[22:20] <knome> i mean, it's just an application, right?
[22:21] <knome> have you looked if there is any projects that is doing ERP in the FOSS field?
[22:21] <ChristopherNg> no actually didnt think there would be much interest in that..
[22:21] <ChristopherNg> I could be wrong, but basically..
[22:21] <knome> interest in what?
[22:22] <ChristopherNg> we are looking at an erp for smes
[22:22] <ChristopherNg> SME = Small, Medium, Enterprises
[22:22] <knome> yes
[22:22] <knome> but interest in what?
[22:22] <knome> i mean, you lost me
[22:22] <astraljava> This is one seriously confusing conversation for sure.
[22:23] <ChristopherNg> i meant interest in erp for ubuntu or linux in general sorry
[22:23] <knome> no interest in such a product from end-users?
[22:23] <knome> why not.
[22:23] <knome> if it's good, i'm sure it'll raise interest
[22:23] <knome> astraljava, hey :)
[22:23] <astraljava> o/
[22:23] <ChristopherNg> not sure
[22:23] <Unit193> Howdy, java.
[22:23] <ChristopherNg> its just the culture
[22:23] <knome> ChristopherNg, but i don't know ubuntu really relates to this?
[22:24] <ChristopherNg> basically, its an open source erp for smes that we want made available via launch or repos..
[22:24] <ChristopherNg> want to know what you think the reception to something like that will be..
[22:24] <knome> ChristopherNg, yeah. so is is *ready* ?
[22:24] <knome> or not..
[22:24] <ChristopherNg> no we still trying to see if this is feasible and if it would catch on and testing the waters.
[22:25] <knome> there's a possibility to include any app in the ubuntu repositories
[22:25] <knome> and i'm sure that will go for the rest of the distros too
[22:25] <knome> and i'm pretty sure there is people, who'd like to use something like that on linux
[22:25] <ChristopherNg> yes thats true but other ERPS like SAP are not open source etc
[22:26] <astraljava> There are lots of OS ERP's already, so do you have some sort of idea how yours would detach from the crowd?
[22:27] <astraljava> Well, actually I'm just relying on search engines here,  but I kinda trust google on that. :)
[22:27] <ChristopherNg> well basically, ours is aimed at SMES.
[22:27] <ChristopherNg> and open source.
[22:28] <ChristopherNg> not to mention its a development project for our masters.
[22:28] <ChristopherNg> so if there is something like this out there that is opensource, that would be even better as we can see the strength and weakness of that and build our own accordingly
[22:29] <knome> or help some other project to grow
[22:31] <astraljava> Yes well, search terms "sme open source erp" bring out lots of relevant hits.
[22:31] <astraljava> So I'm kinda bound to repeat my question.
[22:31] <astraljava> Ahh... well, being a study, yeah that's reason enough.
[22:34] <knome> i'm off
[22:34] <knome> see you folks later
[22:34] <ChristopherNg> Q/
[22:34] <knome> or if you'd prefer to be called "pops" or "rocks" or even "indies" or "raps", those then


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[01:33] <rick_h> morning huwshimi
[03:29] <hatch> morning huwshimi
[03:31] <hatch> guess it's afternoon now :)
[03:59] <huwshimi> hatch: Well and truly :)
[04:00] <hatch> huwshimi: :) did you see the new IE10 bugs?
[04:00] <hatch> there are a few which fall into your ballpark I think
[04:00] <hatch> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bugs?field.tag=ie10
[04:01] <huwshimi> hatch: I did. It's strange that I didn't notice some of them. I just need to finish getting my IE vm working again and I'll take a look
[04:01] <hatch> huwshimi: well a number of branches landed so it's entirely possible they were introduced there
[04:02] <huwshimi> hatch: That's true
[04:02] <hatch> in our retrospective we made up a rule that any branch that gets landed now needs to be qa'd in IE as well
[04:02] <hatch> so get that VM up ;)
[04:13] <huwshimi> That's fine, I've been QAing in IE for a while now
[04:13] <hatch> oh awesome - well you are ahead of the curve
[04:13] <hatch> :)
[13:33] <hatch> morning
[13:42] <hatch> I'm still looking for one more review/qa on https://codereview.appspot.com/13072043/ plz and thanks
[13:47] <frankban> guihelp: anyone available for a python review? https://codereview.appspot.com/13106043 (I need another one)
[13:52] <jcsackett> hatch: i'm looking at the card about closing the ghost inspector and opening the service inspector on deploy, and wondering if it's really as simple as it sounds. and you sem like the person to poke about that.
[14:00] <hatch> yeah lets have a chat
[14:00] <hatch> one sec just grabbing my coffee
[14:00] <hatch> ^ jcsackett
[14:01] <jcsackett> hatch: ok, be in guichat in a second.
[14:01] <hatch> ok there
[14:41]  * hatch wonders if there are only the three of us in today :)
[15:00] <bac> hatch: i've been here all day.  just haven't had anything to say.  so, hello.
[15:02] <hatch> well hello bac want to do a review/qa? https://codereview.appspot.com/13072043/ just need to check the branch out and run `make && make lint` and if there is no errors it qa's ok
[15:03] <bac> hatch: writing a MP atm.  will do it in a second.
[15:03] <hatch> thanks! would love to get this landed....the new jshint is so fast
[15:03] <hatch> it takes longer to query the files than to lint them
[15:03] <hatch> haha
[15:12] <bac> hatch: there is a conflict in databinding.js
[15:12] <bac> hatch: when merging your branch into trunk
[15:12] <hatch> not surprising considering the time between branching and today :)
[15:12] <hatch> I'll merge
[15:13] <hatch> one minute
[15:14] <hatch> bac: re-proposing - it was actually only a trivial conflict
[15:15] <bac> hatch: yeah
[15:15] <hatch> I'll ping when it's done proposing
[15:16] <hatch> Makyo: you can probably just land your IE fix, it's pretty trivial
[15:18] <hatch> bac: done proposing
[15:23] <Makyo> hatch, Alright.
[15:23]  * Makyo will take that as an LGTM
[15:23]  * hatch did lgtm :)
[15:24] <Makyo> Well, bonus.
[15:27] <hatch> Makyo: do you know if we have any way of pulling the real constraints into the gui for the ghost inspector?
[15:28] <hatch> I'm trying to figure out if this is broken or if we simply don't have the functionality
[15:28] <Makyo> hatch, don't know what you mean by real constraints.
[15:28] <hatch> well like say we are on EC2, how do we pull in what machines they can deploy to?
[15:28] <hatch> those are the constraints no?
[15:33] <bac> hatch: done
[15:34] <bac> hi benji, could you review https://code.launchpad.net/~bac/charmworld/bundle-page/+merge/180891 at your leisure?
[15:34] <benji> bac: sure
[15:36] <hatch> bac: you are correct in that you need to specify which jshint flag to turn off
[15:36] <hatch> it's no longer a 'ignore all' type of flag
[15:37] <hatch> I actually prefer this approach
[15:37] <bac> hatch: no, i mean we went from /* jshint: foo=true */ to /* jshint -W99 */
[15:37] <hatch> then it still checks for other errors
[15:37] <bac> hatch: that's what i meant.
[15:37] <hatch> validthis:true is just a 'everything is ok' flag
[15:37] <hatch> whereas W99 (which I'll add docs for)
[15:37] <hatch> only disables that one error
[15:37] <bac> hatch: oh.  so you can just tell it to stfu for now.
[15:38] <hatch> right
[15:38] <bac> hatch: ok, i like the granularity but don't like the obscurity.
[15:38] <hatch> yeah I agree I'll be adding the comments as to what error it gets around
[15:38] <hatch> although js pro's should know by looking at the code ;)
[15:38] <bac> perfecto
[15:38] <hatch> maybe that's a good interview question lol
[15:39] <hatch> "why do we need to tell jshint to ignore this"
[15:50] <Makyo> jujugui call in 10
[15:51] <Makyo> hatch, sorry, got distracted.  Constraints are fuzzy, not absolute.  If you say mem=2G, any machine with at least 2G matches.
[15:51] <Makyo> hatch, and this isn't pulled in from EC2, we'd have to go through the machines we have.
[15:51] <Makyo> hatch, Also, I was inexact.  Some constraints are fuzzy, some, like arch, are not.
[15:52] <hatch> Makyo: I guess I'm confused how it works with input boxes because the user can really input whatever they want and I don't really know what happens afterwards
[15:52] <hatch> maybe we chat after the call and you can get me up to speed?
[15:54] <Makyo> hatch, sure.
[15:54] <hatch> thanks
[15:59] <Makyo> jujugui call in 2
[17:16] <hatch> the websocket tests now save logs to the browser when running in make test-server :)
[17:26] <hatch> jcsackett: wow huge diff ;)
[17:32] <jcsackett> hatch: :-P
[17:32] <hatch> I'm QA'ing in IE
[17:32] <jcsackett> hatch: cool, thanks.
[17:33] <jcsackett> Makyo: could i trouble you for the second review on https://codereview.appspot.com/12852045/ ?
[17:33] <Makyo> jcsackett, sure, on it
[17:33] <jcsackett> thanks. :-)
[17:33] <hatch> blarg Win 8 is going black again
[17:37] <jcsackett> win8 is terrible.
[17:37] <jcsackett> and i say this as a person who is not anti-windows per se. win8 is terrible.
[17:38] <hatch> good news is that your branch appears to be fixed
[17:39] <hatch> bad news is I found another bug :/
[17:42] <hatch> jcsackett: next ticket? https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1214058 :)
[17:42] <_mup_> Bug #1214058: Cannot open Browse if sidebar is minimized  <charmbrowser> <juju-gui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1214058>
[17:47] <jcsackett> hatch: sounds good to me.
[17:47] <hatch> thank you very much :)
[17:47]  * hatch is trying to get these bugs squashed early to make for an easy release
[17:51] <bac> benji: i'm getting those json decode messages too.  i'll try it in trunk.  my branch should not have affected that area.
[17:57] <bac> benji: jsondecode errors on trunk too.
[17:58] <benji> bac: ok, "good"
[17:58] <benji> :)
[17:58] <benji> we should really convert those to INFO or something similar
[17:58] <benji> they look scary when they shouldn't
[17:58] <bac> yeah, "good" in near-team
[18:06] <bac> benji: those failures are getting 503 fetching the charm
[18:08] <bac> benji: actually it is fetching the jenkins results.  jenkins is dead.
[18:08] <bac> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/precise-ec2-charm-apache2-passenger/lastBuild/api/json
[18:08] <benji> interesting; in that case a more descriptive error would seem to be in order
[18:12] <bac> benji: we print an error message and proceed if the code == 404.  i'm going to change that to != 200
[18:12] <benji> +1
[18:24] <bac> benji: IS says they had a jenkins upgrade that went awry.  they are poking at it.
[18:25] <benji> cool
[18:29] <hatch> jujugui lf two reviews and a qa for https://codereview.appspot.com/12956045/ plz
[18:55] <hatch> bueller.....bueller
[19:02] <jcastro>  hey rick_h
[19:05] <hatch> jcastro: he is off today
[19:05] <jcastro> ack
[19:05] <hatch> anything i can help with?
[19:05] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1214087
[19:05] <_mup_> Bug #1214087: GUI fails to deploy keystone <juju-gui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1214087>
[19:06] <jcastro> ran into this today
[19:06] <jcastro> I _think_ this is the same issue we ran into during OSCON
[19:06] <jcastro> where some config options break deployment
[19:07] <hatch> ok so it deploys fine on the sandbox
[19:07] <hatch> so will have to take a peek a little later deploying to ec2
[19:07] <hatch> do you know what the error was?
[19:07] <jcastro> but not in his MAAS
[19:07] <jcastro> let me ask
[19:08] <hatch> thanks - just want to get as much info as possible for when someone goes in to take a look
[19:11] <bac> benji: would you do a quick review of my jenkins fixing one line branch?
[19:12] <bac> benji: https://code.launchpad.net/~bac/charmworld/schmenkins/+merge/180930
[19:12] <benji> bac: sure
[19:14] <benji> bac: looks good
[19:14] <bac> thx
[19:16] <jcastro> hatch: added the log info to the bug report
[19:17] <hatch> thanks!
[19:17] <hatch> looking
[19:17] <hatch> hehe
[19:17] <hatch> paramter
[19:38] <hatch> jcastro: thanks for doing the legwork on that
[19:38] <Makyo> My elegant idea causes a memory leak in tests \o/
[19:39] <hatch> best....fix....ever
[19:39] <hatch> :P
[19:40] <hatch> jujugui still looking for some reviews on https://codereview.appspot.com/12956045/
[19:40] <bac> hatch: looking
[19:40] <hatch> thanks bac
[19:42] <benji> hatch: I'll take one.
[19:42] <hatch> thanks to you too :)
[19:51] <bac> hatch: done.
[19:51] <hatch> thanks!
[19:51] <hatch> looking
[19:58] <bac> fearless canadians: http://www.piratejoes.ca
[19:59] <hatch> lol!
[19:59]  * hatch looks up trader joes
[20:00] <hatch> it's a grocery store?
[20:10] <hatch> Makyo: I'm also running into an IE10 bug where it ignores the Cascading part of CSS
[20:10] <hatch> :/
[20:15] <Makyo> Siiiigh.
[20:18] <hatch> benji: would you be agaist hanging those constraints configs off of utils ?
[20:18] <hatch> then they won't need to be mocked
[20:18] <benji> hatch: sounds good to me
[20:19]  * benji thinks (almost) to himself: "mock" doesn't sound like the right word for that...
[20:19] <hatch> stub?
[20:19] <hatch> "fragile code structure" ?
[20:19] <hatch> ;)
[20:21] <benji> :)
[20:24] <hatch> I have two computers lboxing right now
[20:24] <hatch> I think we need to speed that process up somehow :D
[20:25] <hatch> jujugui looking for a quick review/qa in IE for this one (4line diff) https://codereview.appspot.com/13094044/
[23:05] <huwshimi> Morning
[23:21]  * bcsaller takes off for a bit but back tonight.


[00:39] <fairuz__> woot woot ak47suk1
[01:41] <ak47suk1> woot fairuz
[01:49] <excalibr> same old, same old :D


[05:02] <happydays> i take it that the fat.ko and vfat.ko for my marvell arm processor is the bootloader so what does .ko stand for?
[05:07] <happydays> ok, thanks for the help i found out .ko means kernel object file
[05:09] <happydays> so does fat.ko seach the input/output and vfat.ko point to the actual OS
[05:10] <happydays> or vice-versa
[05:12] <scientes> happydays, fat.ko doesn't have support for long file names
[05:12] <scientes> while vfat does
[05:12] <scientes> fat is only 7.3 file names
[05:16] <happydays> scientes: ok but for an arm processor you wouldn't need much anyway
[05:16] <scientes> happydays, it has nothing to do with the processor
[05:17] <scientes> like, a mobile phone uses 7.3 safe file names
[05:17] <scientes> **digital camera
[05:17] <scientes> when it uses the fat filesystem
[05:17] <happydays> doesn't it act as a bootloader for the arm?
[05:18] <scientes> happydays, that doesn't concern the kernel
[05:18] <scientes> thats uboot code, if you are using that sort ofsetup
[05:18] <scientes> (my sheevaplug just uses a flat uImage partition, and then ubifs)
[05:18] <happydays> oh
[05:18] <happydays> forgot
[05:18] <scientes> sure you can also access i from linux
[05:19] <scientes> but i dont have any comp with that sort of bootloader
[05:20] <scientes> fat is a VERY simple filesystem
[05:20] <scientes> both with and without long file names
[05:21] <happydays> cool ok thanks
[05:22] <scientes> and for that reason it appears in alot of embedded devices
[05:22] <scientes> ...and bootloaders
[05:30] <happydays> i was just running my arm machine got side track on what i was doing and completely forgot about the uboot cause i got into the machine at the password and not the boot lol
[05:39] <happydays> BTW sheevaplug's are great inexpensive devices great for learning the in's and out's of embedded systems


[19:46] <mibb> hey, I've got a problem, I don't get any sound output, most probably because the default soundcard is set wrong - its a brand new installation
[19:46] <mibb> can anyone tell me how to set the right default soundcard? the AVR is plugged into the mainboards hdmi port
[19:54] <rhpot1991> mibb: odds are you need to unmute your hdmi in alsamixer
[19:55] <rhpot1991> unmute anything that says says s/pdif
[19:55] <rhpot1991> and figure out which one it is
[19:58] <mibb> k sec
[19:59] <mibb> hm in alsamixer I only have a field in the middle, S PDIF
[19:59] <mibb> not sure how to unmute that
[20:09] <mibb> can't get it to work :(
[20:41] <rhpot1991> grumble
[20:41] <rhpot1991> the answer is 'm' but you aren't here anymore


 That grub update got stuck in -proposed due to failing autopkgtest 😢
 That grub update got stuck in -proposed due to failing autopkgtest😢 (edited)
 have retried the test
 passed. so hopefully that grub2 update will have a chance of getting to iso builds later
 Kubuntu livefs just built ok :)
 That is a good sign \o/
 does that count as verification completed? (re @RikMills: Kubuntu livefs just built ok :))
 Thanks for the update @RikMills
 UCR Groovy Build passed https://github.com/Ubuntu-Cinnamon-Remix/iso-builder/actions/runs/239724816


[03:47] <kInOzAwA> wii kInOzAwA-
[03:47] <kInOzAwA> dem
[07:50] <fairuz> alo rakan2
[07:56] <ejat> alo
[12:24] <kInOzAwA> yehhh
[16:53] <ks> hihi
[16:53] <ks> anybody here?


[09:07] <sladen> not of interest to myself, but some recruiter is currently pestering about a Ruby on Rails Developer in Chattanooga, Tennessee
[09:08] <sladen> Christian Bugia<EMAIL_ADDRESS> for anyone who's interested in entertaining a recruiter


[19:28] <dax> phunyguy etc.: the xedniv!~xedniv@unaffiliated/moldenauer$##fix_your_connection ban in #ubuntu-server can probably go now, they fixed their settings apparently (have been online without quitting for >1h
[19:29] <dax> looks like they changed their ident too anyway
[22:48] <phunyguy> dax: done, thanks


[18:49] <SeniorMoo> hi, has someone tried ubuntu mobile on a VIA EPIA board? any good ?
[18:50] <SeniorMoo> also, does it work as an nfs client? how hard/easy is it to recompile the kernel for it or add apps ?


[15:03] <zaki> Kilos: tell QA to join ##z4ki
[15:03] <Kilos> hi zaki
[15:04] <zaki> hi Kilos
[15:04] <zaki> how are u doing?
[15:04] <Kilos> ok ty and you
[15:05] <zaki> im fine :)


[01:17] <drc> clear
[01:24] <Unit193> We're losing him, we're losing him!  Someone get the paddles!
[02:27] <bluesabre> :D
[07:45] <ochosi> morning everyone
[07:45] <elfy> morning ochosi
[12:01] <bluesabre> morning ochosi
[12:01] <bluesabre> morning elfy
[12:38] <elfy> hi bluesabre
[17:08] <ochosi> bluesabre: sorry, was out all day
[17:08] <ochosi> bluesabre: will be back a bit later though
[20:44] <Unit193> xfdashboard_0.4.0-0ubuntu1.dsc stable pushed, to PPA.


[21:08] <bdmurray> wxl: you'd seemed interested in how bug heat is calculated - https://dev.launchpad.net/Bugs/BugHeat
[21:14] <wxl> yes thank you bdmurray !


[01:30] <cmaloney> Evening
[01:54] <_stink_> power just flicked off and on
[01:55] <_stink_> all those AC units getting their first run, i guess
[02:06] <rick_h_> heh
[11:59] <cmaloney> morning
[12:25] <mrgoodcat> morning
[12:44] <cmaloney> Coffeeeee
[12:44] <cmaloney> I love how my morning script for work is called "morning"
[12:44] <cmaloney> and the one for closing up shop: "goodnight"
[12:45] <mrgoodcat> haha
[12:46] <mrgoodcat> i have a Makefile in my homedir that does various things
[12:46] <mrgoodcat> one of them is "make coffee"
[12:46] <mrgoodcat> which is connected to a wemo switch on my kettle
[12:47] <jrwren> for real?
[12:48] <mrgoodcat> yea
[12:48] <mrgoodcat> why not?
[12:48] <mrgoodcat> lol
[12:48] <mrgoodcat> its kinda bastardizing the point of makefiles but w/e
[12:48] <mrgoodcat> i wanted to tell my terminal to make coffee
[12:49] <jrwren> maybe not. is there a dependency? ;]
[12:50] <jrwren> if you run make coffee twice, does it turn it on then off? If yes, I agree with you. bastardized point of make files?
[13:27] <mrgoodcat> no it just turns it on
[13:34] <cmaloney> jrwren: wrenfam isn't resolving.
[13:35] <cmaloney> or at least it wasn't when my rss reader went to it
[13:35] <cmaloney> appears to be working now
[13:40] <jrwren> cmaloney: thanks for the notice.
[13:53] <cmaloney> np
[14:28] <jrwren> nerds: CDPATH, do you use it or not?
[14:29] <mrgoodcat> not me
[14:30] <mrgoodcat> zsh does fuzzy matching so /e/apa/siava[tab] takes me to /etc/apache/sites-available
[14:32] <mrgoodcat> apache2
[14:32] <mrgoodcat> but you get the point
[14:32] <_stink_> jrwren: i don't
[14:36] <cmaloney> I'm not sure what it is
[14:40] <cmaloney> https://www.oreilly.com/learning/why-node-js-for-shell-scripting
[16:24] <rick_h_> woot! it's here
[16:24] <rick_h_> https://goo.gl/photos/rrgi4FXgGY5R9oZb8
[16:29] <jrwren> awesome!
[16:29] <cmaloney> That is a big trailer.
[16:29] <rick_h_> load it up and to the woods!
[16:33] <widox> rick_h_: spiffy. upgraded the old one this season?
[16:34] <rick_h_> widox: yea
[16:34] <rick_h_> bunk beds for the boy and insulation for kate season camping
[16:34] <rick_h_> and more cross country worthy, big tires/etc
[16:48] <mrgoodcat> your house looks so much like my parents old house its crazy
[16:48] <mrgoodcat> yard, driveway, curb, house, electrical box all almost exact
[16:49] <mrgoodcat> it can't be though since that house was knocked down
[16:50] <rick_h_> lol
[16:51] <rick_h_> ok, guess that's a good thing
[16:51] <mrgoodcat> haha
[16:52] <mrgoodcat> good lookin trailer though
[23:11] <cmaloney> Evening


[04:03] <jarkko> 3.13.11 is the last 3.13 kernel, when i can accept to get new maintained by ubuntu?
[07:27] <mlankhor1t> Hello, world!\n
[11:19] <apw> jarkko, our team will be continuing maintenance there for some time, updates will come out on a similar cadance to before
[11:28] <jarkko> apw: i got ralink wifi device, it spams dmeg, dropping packets...any idea if it ever gets fixed?
[11:28] <jarkko> it was better on some 3.8 serie kernel
[15:25] <sforshee> hallyn: do you expect any issues with cgmanager on a 3.15-rc kernel? I'm getting errors from lxc-start when setting devcgroup permissions.
[15:33] <hallyn> sforshee: i do not expect any, no
[15:33] <hallyn> oh, well you might have an issue logging in, from pam audit, but otherwise no
[15:33] <hallyn> can you do lxc-start -n name -l trace -o outout and pastebinit outout ?
[15:33] <hallyn> i've not run 3.14, let alone 3.15 at all
[15:35] <sforshee> hallyn: I've already got the log, just a sec
[15:35] <hallyn> well aren't you just ahead of the game :)
[15:35] <sforshee> but I also have local changes, so just wondering if it was expected or if I might have broke something
[15:36] <hallyn> there have been massive cgroup kernel changes lately so i wouldn't be surprised if it's one of those
[15:36] <sforshee> hallyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7399324/
[15:37] <sforshee> hallyn: I'm building now minus my changes, so I'll see if that works
[15:39] <hallyn> sforshee: lxc is running fine, init is exiting early
[15:40] <hallyn> sforshee: might add '--debug --verbose' to init's args (lxc-start -n container -- /sbin/init --debug --verbose (or is it a single -?))
[15:40] <hallyn> i'm gonna run and make an unwise purchase, biab
[15:41] <sforshee> hallyn: what about this:
[15:41] <sforshee> lxc-start<PHONE_NUMBER>.113 ERROR    lxc_cgmanager - call to cgmanager_set_value_sync failed: invalid request
[15:41] <sforshee>       lxc-start<PHONE_NUMBER>.113 ERROR    lxc_cgmanager - Error setting cgroup devices.allow limit p1
[15:41] <sforshee>       lxc-start<PHONE_NUMBER>.114 ERROR    lxc_cgmanager - Error setting devices.allow to c 10:237 rwm for p1
[15:41] <sforshee>       lxc-start<PHONE_NUMBER>.114 ERROR    lxc_start - failed to setup the devices cgroup for 'p1'
[15:41] <sforshee>       lxc-start<PHONE_NUMBER>.136 ERROR    lxc_start - failed to spawn 'p1'
[15:41] <sforshee>       lxc-start<PHONE_NUMBER>.137 ERROR    lxc_commands - command get_cgroup failed to receive response
[15:44] <sforshee> but yeah, I see what you're talking about there
[16:02] <hallyn> sforshee: certainly is disturbing
[16:03] <hallyn> sforshee: it sounds like i'll have to do some debugging.  Can you put some straight 3.14 kernels in a ppa?  I'll test tonight or tomorrow.
[16:03] <hallyn> (will be in flight soon)
[16:04] <sforshee> hallyn: you can get builds here: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[16:05] <sforshee> note that I'm using 3.15 tho, not 3.14
[16:06] <hallyn> sforshee: and is kernel-ppa 3.14?
[16:06] <sforshee> not sure
[16:08] <sforshee> hallyn: sorry, misuderstood. That's not really a ppa, it's just where we stash mainline builds for testing.
[16:08] <hallyn> ok
[16:08] <sforshee> (I don't know why it says ppa in the name)
[16:08] <hallyn> that has confused me in the past actually
[16:09] <sforshee> hallyn: I get the same results with the 3.15-rc4 build from there
[16:11] <hallyn> sforshee: does this block you?
[16:12] <sforshee> I can rebase onto an older kernel, so no, probably not
[16:12] <hallyn> sforshee: ok.  obviously it's still urgent, but good to know.  I"ll look into it.  thanks
[16:13] <sforshee> hallyn: ta. Safe travels.
[21:46] <arges> smb: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1310586


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[03:37] <Eickmeyer> eylul: Got your edits and fixed. As far as the wallpaper, I have basically a "thumbnail" version in the post, mostly because posts with images linked on social networks tend to get more attention. And, yes, we can figure out a way to get votes in. Before it was done with someone's private page, but that's not very sustainable.
[03:45] <Eickmeyer> eylul: The reason for the wallpaper reveal is more for inspiration than anything. If you want me to leave that part out, I can.
[03:46] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Uh.... -desktop doesn't configure? Yikes... uh... I don't even know where to begin with that one.
[03:46] <Eickmeyer> Should become first priority since that _literally_ pulls-in everything else.
[03:59] <Eickmeyer> Everyone: I probably won't be available very much for the next couple days. Major equipment switchover at work, along with a big re-install of some other equipment.
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[08:53] <eylul> that's... a lot of spam
[08:56] <eylul> Eickmeyer: the issue about how to do voting is a valid one. as for wallpaper, I think we can announce it, but maybe not with that post? :) mostly it ties to my comments from before. :)
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[10:58] <eylul> sacrecoer Eickmeyer can we lock the channels to non-registered users while this is dealt with?
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[16:03] <Eickmeyer> eylul: Unfortunately, I'm not on the IRC team, looks like Unit193 is working on it. That said, I have applied for membership. I think krytarik can do it, but he's not around right now. :/
[16:08] <OvenWerks> irc is working on it too. it is pretty widespread
[16:19] <Eickmeyer> It's bad.
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[00:45] <daftykins> TJ-: nice 240GB value SSD on amazon UK for £39.99 delivered today ;)
[00:46] <OerHeks> not bad :-)
[00:46] <daftykins> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00S9Q9VS4
[00:46] <daftykins> low stats but it's not TLC, which is nice :>
[00:48] <OerHeks> read 550MB/s - write 350MB/s
[00:48] <daftykins> yeah, weak write as they go
[00:49] <OerHeks> but don't look at the speeds, the 0 sec seektime is the real profit
[00:51] <daftykins> ja :>
[00:51] <daftykins> if i got that for the cheap Lenovo i bought last night, that's £233 for a pretty decent machine
[03:10] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[03:11] <daftykins> \o
[03:11] <lotuspsychje> hey daftykins
[03:11] <daftykins> check this one out sir ;) http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00S9Q9VS4
[03:11] <daftykins> cheap model, but daym
[03:11] <lotuspsychje> lets c :p
[03:11] <daftykins> £33 delivered!
[03:11] <daftykins> how was the spa/sauna/etc?
[03:12] <lotuspsychje> wow sweet price
[03:12] <lotuspsychje> very nice 3 hours + breakfast +jacuzzi +turkish steam and regular sauna
[03:13] <lotuspsychje> i still have an old sandisk 8gig slc upsatirs
[03:13] <lotuspsychje> fast as rocket
[03:15] <lotuspsychje> hmm delivered to belgium
[03:15] <lotuspsychje> does amazon sell barebones too?
[03:16] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[03:18] <lotuspsychje> barebone laptops are hard to find
[03:23] <lotuspsychje> SeriouslyLaugh: morning
[03:23] <SeriouslyLaugh> evening lotuspsychje -- happy turkey day
[03:24] <lotuspsychje> lol
[03:25] <SeriouslyLaugh> i want to play with the bot -- anyone know the command?
[03:25] <SeriouslyLaugh> it's something like /msg ubot5 help
[03:25] <SeriouslyLaugh> doesn't work
[03:26] <lotuspsychje> !msgthebot
[03:27] <SeriouslyLaugh> ty lotuspsychje
[03:27] <lotuspsychje> or query ubottu
[03:49] <lotuspsychje> nice, xscreensaver works out of the box now
[03:49] <daftykins> alrighty, time to call it a night i think
[03:49] <lotuspsychje> last time i tryed i had to mess with gnome screensaver deamon
[03:49] <lotuspsychje> sweet dreams daftykins
[03:50] <daftykins> thanks ^_^ your shift now ;)
[03:50] <lotuspsychje> : )
[03:50] <lotuspsychje> if we only would be payed for this :p
[03:51] <lotuspsychje> well at least we have knowledge from it
[03:51] <daftykins> they couldn't offer us enough
[03:51] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[04:12] <lotuspsychje> omg...
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/11/24/windows-10-automatic-spying-begins-again/
[04:13] <SeriouslyLaugh> there's a reason it's a free OS
[04:13] <SeriouslyLaugh> JUST SAYING
[04:13] <SeriouslyLaugh> blasted caps, sorry
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> their killing themelfs..
[04:14] <SeriouslyLaugh> nah
[04:14] <SeriouslyLaugh> too big to fail
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> i wouldnt dare to say that
[04:15] <lotuspsychje> linux will make a big jump out of this
[04:15] <lotuspsychje> youl see
[04:20] <lotuspsychje> !cookie | Bashing-om before sleep :p
[04:22] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Depnd on lotuspsychje to provide the best .
[04:22] <lotuspsychje> :p
[04:38] <Bashing-om> Retiring at this time . Will enjoy my cookies at liesure. Will return much later .. Lord willing . Take care til .
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> see ya all later
[05:47] <SeriouslyLaugh> later
[11:12] <TJ-> Grrr, when is 16GB SSD really a 7GB SSD!?
[13:21] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:21] <daftykins> \o
[14:02] <TJ-> amazing, 100 PCU cluster running on 16 watts
[14:02] <TJ-> s/PCU/CPU/
[14:02] <EriC^^> hey TJ- , how's it going?
[14:03] <TJ-> Good - now I figured out plugging the SSD in firmly doubles its capacity :D
[14:03] <EriC^^> nice :D
[14:04] <TJ-> should try that with the Samsung EVOs :D
[14:04] <TJ-> did you get your LNB down-converter ... converted into a working model?
[14:04] <EriC^^> nope, not yet :D
[14:05] <TJ-> I'm trying to design a bulk rack mount for 100 of the new RasPi Zero boards
[14:06] <EriC^^> cool
[14:06] <EriC^^> what will they be used for?
[14:06] <TJ-> Build farm for ARM packages
[14:06] <EriC^^> oh, cool
[14:33] <daftykins> heya o/
[14:33] <daftykins> one of the UK folks was doing something similar, never saw where the project went though
[14:34] <daftykins> http://regmedia.co.uk/2013/05/20/32_way_raspberry_pi_cluster.jpg
[14:34] <daftykins> :D
[14:36] <pauljw> hi all
[14:36] <daftykins> \o
[14:37] <pauljw> :)
[14:38] <TJ-> yeah, But the big Pi takes up a lot of space due to clearance for the connectors, and it's also difficult to create slot-in racks for them. These Zeros should be able to slot into a chassis that has fixed USB micro-power plugs for power and connectivity, only need  maybe 10 vias in a mount PCB to pack these Zeros in high-density mode
[14:39] <daftykins> :>
[14:41] <TJ-> better than the Ras Pi module in fact
[15:50] <daftykins> teenager identified :)
[15:50] <TJ-> OK, I'm shopping for old-style mobo mounted PC speaker/buzzer units on aliexpress (China's eShopping destination for components, etc.) and see a photo of one with a label on top that reads "REMOVE SEAL AFTER WASHING" !!
[15:50] <daftykins> lmao
[15:50] <TJ-> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-100pcs-Active-Passive-Buzzer-Alarm-5v-Sounder-speaker-Buzzer/1290577003.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_1_79_78_77_80,searchweb201644_5,searchweb201560_1
[15:51] <TJ-> I'm so at a loss I can't move on :D
[15:51] <TJ-> What DO those people think !?
[15:52] <daftykins> i still haven't 100% nailed down this little CCTV 4 camera PoE system i put in for some friends, as the software is so badly translated
[15:52] <daftykins> i know it's capable of being set to motion detected capture, whereas right now it's just recording constantly
[15:52] <TJ-> Get a translator to help
[15:53] <TJ-> Probably hire 10 on mechanical turk :)
[15:53] <daftykins> well i'm not sure it can be switched to the original chinese/whatever to even do that :(
[15:53] <daftykins> even the UI design is so bad it's illogical to even try fumbling your way through
[15:54] <daftykins> i'd have to go and spend some time down at my friends art gallery i think to fiddle and test
[15:54] <TJ-> :) the joys of world trade :)
[15:54] <daftykins> yip!
[15:54] <daftykins> very impressive kit though
[15:55] <TJ-> I've been investigating some PTZ 30x optical HD PoE for here, to keep an eye on far-flung areas
[15:55] <daftykins> ah har
[15:55] <daftykins> oh was your weather station blown over the other morning by the by?
[15:56] <TJ-> it fell off its pole and was hanging in its wires
[15:56] <daftykins> erk!
[15:57] <TJ-> alarm was going off around 0330 saying it was -27C outside
[15:59] <daftykins> surely not o0
[15:59] <TJ-> hanging upside-down the rain was getting into the electronics of the transmitter
[16:00] <pauljw> that's funny except for that whole 0330 thing... :)
[16:00] <daftykins> XD
[16:00] <TJ-> pauljw: yeah, it was the night of the storm, so I was resisting going outside but eventually it annoyed me enough
[16:00] <pauljw> that sucks
[16:01] <TJ-> my own fault; I should have secured it better
[16:02] <pauljw> other than that, do you like it?  i've been considering picking one up.
[16:03] <TJ-> it's lasted about 9 years so far, just have to change the 2 AAA batteries every few months, it's about 250 meters out into the fields
[16:04] <TJ-> the house station is useful and allows USB data collection so good for collecting and analysing weather vs crop yields and so forth
[16:04] <pauljw> nice, what make and model?
[16:05] <TJ-> hmmm! you have to ask the hardest question!
[16:05] <daftykins> XD
[16:05] <pauljw> lol, sorry
[16:05] <TJ-> after all this time.. I honestly don't remember!
[16:05] <pauljw> np
[16:05] <TJ-> it's not got any model indicator on the unit
[16:05] <pauljw> i have google
[16:06] <TJ-> I think it's a rebadged Fine Offset WH1080
[16:06] <pauljw> thanks, i'll have a look...  :)
[16:07] <TJ-> there are much better devices, more accurate, nowadays
[16:07] <TJ-> many are wifi enabled with embedded linux, which makes data collection so much easier
[16:08] <pauljw> well, it's black friday, now you all know what i'll be doing this afternoon...
[16:08] <daftykins> i've been shopping for days :( i swear i need someone to block me from amazon
[16:08] <pauljw> lol
[16:09] <daftykins> still, a £200 haswell i3 laptop, £33 240GB SSD and a bluray TV set for £60 down from £160 is pretty good :>
[16:09] <pauljw> that is good!
[16:10] <TJ-> hmmm... search for "speaker", site does 'related search' "Power Bank" ... it's that Chinglese again, I bet!
[16:11] <daftykins> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00S9Q9VS4 <-- still there even, bit of a budget model but worth a glance TJ- :)
[16:13] <OerHeks> 10 of those in raid, njummie
[16:14] <TJ-> they're SATA interface so no good for me
[16:15] <daftykins> haha that could be quite fun actually, 6 ports free on my controller... £180 for 6 ;)
[16:16] <daftykins> but no! :)
[16:22] <TJ-> haha! I've flushed out yet another bug in core system tooling where it assumes 'root' = UID, this time in cryptdisks_start
[16:24] <TJ-> " * LUKS_HDD_BOOT: INSECURE OWNER FOR xxxxxxx.keyfile" => ll -n = "-r-------- 1 0 0 4096 Sep  1 23:57 xxxxxx.keyfile"
[17:19] <daftykins> am i totally wrong, claiming that this guy wanting to install 32-bit graphics drivers on a 64-bit host is not going to work? o0
[17:33] <TJ-> which user?
[17:33] <daftykins> tilpner
[17:34] <daftykins> unless said user just wants to work with the libs or something, not actually use the driver *shrug*
[17:35] <TJ-> Well, if the entire userspace is 32-bit that'll work on a 64-bit kernel, but he won't be mixing 64 and 32 bi userspace X server drivers
[17:37] <daftykins> ah ok :) ta!
[17:47] <BluesKaj> my 32 bit vlc version runs smoother on some difficult (read slightly corrupted) mkv wrapped videos than the 64 bit version


[00:00] <levi501de> i am curious why i would be having graphical lag with a load average of ~.35
[00:00] <levi501de> and xorg is eating up memory and cpu but not more than my system should be able to handle
[00:00] <levi501de> which is why i was wondering how i would go about seeing what is querying xorg
[00:01] <westmi> idk, but I would re-install and see if it fixes it
[00:02] <levi501de> oh man reinstalling is not something I can do lightly man :D
[00:02] <westmi> why?
[00:02] <levi501de> thats like a weekends worth of work
[00:02] <levi501de> I customize a lot of things on my system
[00:02] <levi501de> its just a pain having to go through all that again
[00:02] <levi501de> anyways i doubt that will fix the problem
[00:02] <westmi> yeah, i know how that is
[00:03] <levi501de> this seems like a bug in the latest release
[00:03] <levi501de> if i do a reinstall and it doesnt fix it i am no where closer to fixing the problem
[00:03] <levi501de> it could be nvidia drivers but i dont know how to watch the process and see what is making requests to X
[00:04] <westmi> ah
[00:04] <westmi> I know what your talking about now
[00:04] <westmi> I got the same problem, I just live with it
[00:04] <levi501de> well thanks for the chat man, i'll be back on in 20 or so gonna reboot i've made a couple changes to the .conf file and im gonna reboot and test
[00:04] <westmi> it happens with firefox also
[00:04] <levi501de> yep
[00:05] <westmi> both browsers do it
[00:05] <levi501de> yep
[00:05] <westmi> might be a kde thing
[00:06] <westmi> sometimes it doesnt even start, and I have to click it again to get it to start
[00:19] <levi501d> ok rebooted going to see what happens now
[00:30] <skierpage> Is it possible to upgrade to Kubuntu 12.04 (daily or the ?soon-to-be-released! Alpha2)  using something like `kdesudo "/media/cdrom/cdromupgrade` with the Alternate install CD?
[00:33] <skierpage> seems you don't even have to download an image, `sudo do-release-upgrade -f kde -d` according to http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?57044-Upgrading-11-10-to-12-04  Almost *too* easy ;-)
[00:59] <fvolk> alguien habla español??
[03:47] <almoxarife> how do i make kwallet accept my login with password as the 'open wallets' auth?
[03:53] <almoxarife> http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=97002  <-- and the answer is no, maybe, not sure what the answer is
[04:00] <rockl> Just a thought, but what if you just disable it? There's an option to do that anyway.
[04:14] <almoxarife> disable it?
[04:30] <ken__> DaskreecH: hi
[04:30] <DaskreecH> hi ken__
[04:30] <DaskreecH> hows it going?
[04:31] <ken__> Kubuntu is doing well today and I am too thanks
[04:31] <ken__> long hunny-do list today
[04:31] <DaskreecH> Hunny-do ?
[04:31] <ken__> my wife had a list of things for me to take care of
[04:31] <ken__> :)
[04:31] <DaskreecH> ha ha ok
[04:32] <ken__> ok, hope you are well too
[04:32] <ken__> Muon is still sick
[04:34] <javier__> hola
[04:35] <ken__> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/01/31/Kens_computer_screen5.jpeg
[04:35] <DaskreecH> Hola
[04:36] <ken__> He's gone
[04:36] <DaskreecH> Did you report the bug
[04:36] <DaskreecH>  I know
[04:36] <ken__> got that, sorry
[04:36] <DaskreecH> Oh wait
[04:36] <DaskreecH> >_>
[04:36] <DaskreecH> I may know something about this
[04:36] <ken__> I tried to reinstall it figuring it was part of the issue from yesterday
[04:39] <DaskreecH> I think it may just be crashy :)
[04:39] <DaskreecH> Im looking through the bugs to see if there is a workaround
[04:39] <DaskreecH>  I remembered something about one
[04:39] <ken__> o_O nice...
[04:56] <DaskreecH> Hmm not seeing it right now :(
[04:57] <DaskreecH> Guess you can just use konsole or kpackagekit
[04:57] <DaskreecH> !info kpackagekit
[04:59] <ken__> There were a lot of bug reports for this
[05:00] <DaskreecH> Yep
[05:00] <ken__> so I open konsole and type kpackagekit?
[05:02] <ken__> ok it's done, now what's next?
[05:03] <ken__> needy I know, your patience is commendable
[05:05] <DaskreecH> ken__: oh you had kpackagekit installed?
[05:06] <ken__> I'm learning a lot going through this process to hopefully help someone else in the future
[05:07] <ken__> Yes, I installed it thinking that's what was needed
[05:10] <DaskreecH> ken__: Ok kdesudo kpackagekit should get you working I think
[05:11] <ken__> what is kdesudo?
[05:12] <ken__> DaskreecH: Nothing happened
[05:14] <DaskreecH> ken__: kdesudo should ask you for a password
[05:14] <DaskreecH> well your password
[05:14] <DaskreecH>  it's a GUI sudo
[05:14] <ken__> ah, it did then that was it
[05:15] <ken__> nothing else happened that I know of
[05:17] <DaskreecH> alt+F2 -> kpackagekit
[05:19] <ken__> command not found
[05:22] <DaskreecH> sudo apt-get install kpackagekit
[05:26] <ken__> DaskreecH: I did that... http://wstaw.org/m/2012/01/31/plasma-desktopAO1769.jpg
[05:26] <DaskreecH> lol
[05:27] <DaskreecH> sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[05:27] <DaskreecH> when that's done try kdesudo apper
[05:29] <ken__> ok, it'll have to wait for now. I'll try that in the morning (well, later this morning)
[05:30] <ken__> Thanks for your help again, command line is getting less scary
[05:31] <DaskreecH> :-) ok
[06:34] <naught101> I have a laptop with an Nvidia GeForce G8400M G video card. I have had it successfully boot once since installing kubuntu, but now it just stops half way through booting. I'm currently booted into kubuntu on it by way of a flash drive
[06:35] <naught101> I see in the kdm.log: fatal server error: no screesn found
[06:35] <naught101> I did run the nvidia-xconfig before, but I since deleted the xorg.conf
[06:36] <naught101> I can't really figure out what to do, any tips?
[06:36] <naught101> (BTW, whe booting fails, I can't even get to a different terminal with ctrl+alt+f2 or what ever - it completely hangs)
[06:37] <naught101> which means I can't try re-installing drivers or anything :(
[06:38] <DaskreecH> naught101: how about rerunning the nvidia-xconfig ?
[06:41] <naught101> DaskreecH: I can't, because I can't log in to the computer... At least, not unless I can run it from a liveUSB (which I currently have booted)
[06:41] <DaskreecH> Sure why not?
[06:41] <DaskreecH> when you open dolphin do you have the hard drive mounted there?
[06:42] <naught101> DaskreecH: well, I mounted it via the commandline
[06:43] <naught101> DaskreecH: I will try downloading nvidia-settings now. I'll get back to you if it doesn't work :)
[06:43] <DaskreecH> naught101: Do you have split partitions?
[06:43] <DaskreecH> like /var or something on a different partition?
[06:43] <naught101> DaskreecH: yep, separate one for /home
[06:43] <DaskreecH> Ok that should be fine
[06:43] <naught101> DaskreecH: no, only /home
[06:43] <DaskreecH> It's mounted under /media right?
[06:44] <DaskreecH> hi ken__
[06:44] <ken__> DaskreecH hi
[06:44] <DaskreecH> Hunny-do ?
[06:44] <naught101> hrm. what package contains nvidia-xconfig? the actual driver?
[06:44] <naught101> DaskreecH: no, I have it mounted at /mnt, because I'm lazy
[06:44] <ken__> LOL
[06:45] <DaskreecH> naught101: Ok cool
[06:45] <DaskreecH> type sudo mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev
[06:46] <DaskreecH> (assuming that /mnt is the root of where you mounted it
[06:46] <DaskreecH> else it's sudo mount --bind /dev /mnt/drive/dev
[06:46] <ken__> DaskreecH: YES!!!! I love apper! it's the one I was used to seeing!!!
[06:46] <DaskreecH> ken__: Whoot :)
[06:46] <naught101> DaskreecH: done
[06:47] <DaskreecH> naught101: type sudo chroot /mnt/drive
[06:47] <DaskreecH> you should now be on your install
[06:47] <naught101> wait, wait. I ACTUALLY have it mounted at /mnt, not /mnt/drive :P... I'll remount
[06:48] <DaskreecH> nvidia-xconfig away
[06:49] <naught101> or should I just do sudo chroot /mnt?
[06:49] <DaskreecH> naught101: I dunno. What have you done now?
[06:49] <naught101> heh, DaskreecH that worked, I think
[06:49] <naught101> sorry for the confusion
[06:50] <naught101> nvidia-xconfig works fine
[06:51] <naught101> DaskreecH: I never thought of doing a chroot before, that's a sweet move. Thanks heaps :)
[06:52] <DaskreecH> Ah UNIX You make things so easy and nice to deal with
[06:52] <naught101> oooooh yeah
[06:53] <naught101> unfortunately, no worky :(. xorg.conf was created, but I still don't boot. I'll log in again on the liveUSB and check the logs
[06:54] <DaskreecH> Where does it hang?
[06:54] <DaskreecH> try taking kdm out of the start up services
[06:57] <naught101> hrm, just a sec
[06:58] <naught101> DaskreecH: which is the best  log to look at to find out where it's hanging?
[06:58] <DaskreecH> dmesg
[07:03] <naught101> I can't see anything in there remotely error like
[07:03] <naught101> chroot also means it's still being written to :/
[07:03]  * naught101 wishes dmesg was timestamped
[07:07] <almoxarife> naught101: it is
[07:07] <naught101> almoxarife: in a readable format
[07:07]  * naught101 is not a computer
[07:07] <almoxarife> naught101: looks like it here,
[07:07] <almoxarife> date and time
[07:08] <naught101> I have things like [18.089704]
[07:09] <almoxarife> naught101: i assume you are using the ksystemlog, i am
[07:09] <naught101> almoxarife: no, I am using bash
[07:10] <almoxarife> naught101: oh, because?
[07:10] <naught101> almoxarife: well, because I prefer it, but also because my computer is stuffed, and kdm won't start
[07:11] <almoxarife> naught101: cool, enjoy yourself
[07:11] <naught101> whi thank you.
[07:11] <naught101> why*
[07:12] <almoxarife> naught101: stuffed?
[07:12] <naught101> almoxarife: read up
[07:12] <naught101> DaskreecH: how do I take kdm out of start-up?
[07:13] <DaskreecH> grep default /etc/inittab
[07:13]  * DaskreecH has no idea if this will work with upstart
[07:14] <naught101> DaskreecH: I have no inittab
[07:14] <DaskreecH> Yeah... upstart
[07:14] <naught101> I guess I could move kdm out of /etc/init.d/ ?
[07:15] <DaskreecH> That should should work
[07:16] <naught101>  will try
[07:16] <DaskreecH> ok
[07:19] <naught101> Seems like kdm isn't what's causing it to hang...
[07:19] <naught101> at least, it's still hanging..
[07:20] <naught101> DaskreecH: one odd thing is that even when it's hanged, and I can't do anything, I can still press the power button, and it'll shut down (cleanly)
[07:21] <DaskreecH> So it's not the kernel hanging then
[07:21] <naught101> I guess not
[07:26] <naught101> I doubt this is helpful, but the last boot message displayed on screen before it hangs is "starting timidity ..."
[07:27] <DaskreecH> Oh god I hate timidity when it does that
[07:27] <DaskreecH> disable it unless you need midi
[07:28] <fayaz> hi
[07:28] <fayaz> i'm seeing a bug in KGpg -> Key Server -> Export
[07:29] <fayaz> no matter which key server i choose, the Information dialog says it uploaded to server keyserver.ubuntu.com
[07:30] <naught101> DaskreecH: well, I will need it, but happy to disable for now. What's the best way?
[07:30] <DaskreecH> move from /etc/init.d ?
[07:31] <naught101> DaskreecH: BTW, after that message, if I press power, the first message (of a few, that I can't read, cause it's too fast), is "exiting acipd" or something
[07:31] <DaskreecH> That's the ACPI power daemon
[07:31] <naught101> DaskreecH: I'm not sure that worked for kdm, but I will try
[07:37] <DaskreecH> naught101: Doubt it reached kdm since timidity stopped it from booting
[07:37] <DaskreecH> fayaz: check in #kubuntu-devel ?
[07:38] <fayaz> okay DaskreecH
[07:39] <naught101> DaskreecH: doesn't seem to have changed anything... I think perhaps timidity was just the last thing that issued a message, not the thing that was hanging..
[07:39] <naught101> DaskreecH: Thanks for the help, I'm gonna go get some food. Maybe I will just try re-installing later
[07:40] <DaskreecH> Well then the next thing in the chain would be suspect but I think it s probably timidity :)
[07:55] <mahmud_> hi everyone\
[07:55] <mahmud_> i want kubuntu
[07:55] <mahmud_> software]
[08:04] <DaskreecH> Ok
[08:04] <DaskreecH> http://www.kubuntu.org
[08:05] <bazhang> he quit
[08:06] <DaskreecH> I saw
[08:20] <osinclair_> anyone on 4.8 and KMail got mail address autocompletion and distribution list sending working?
[08:27] <DaskreecH> Yes but not me
[08:27] <DaskreecH> There was a discussion in it in the kdeforums I think
[08:32] <osinclair_> Daskreech: kdeforums or kubuntuforums?
[08:32] <DaskreecH> I don't remember :-(
[08:35] <osinclair_> will check both, this is MORE than just irrititating
[08:44] <DaskreecH> #kontact as well but they will be sleeping now
[08:52] <osinclair_> DaskreecH: am there to #Kontact but no devs online
[10:01] <bartmon> O, hi
[10:02] <bartmon> I managed to delete the Trash  shortcut in Dolphin's Places. How can I get it back besides purging my dolphin configuration in  ~? Thanks.
[10:08] <bartmon> Ah, must use GoogleFu first next time. If anyone is reading this and wants to know the solution, go here: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=74052
[10:24] <mehdi> salut
[10:25] <mehdi> salut
[10:37] <DaveWM> quassel DROID isn't too shabby, needs features, but good start.. just sharing, since I figured a lot of people in here may be using it
[10:41] <DaemonFC> Quassel was crap the last time I tried it
[10:41] <DaemonFC> not that it was hard to use or that it was missing features
[10:42] <DaemonFC> it had one thing that drove me back to Konversation, and that was that Quassel has NO way to make it stop logging things and grinding your disk to display backlog that keeps growing, and growing, and growing
[10:43] <DaemonFC> I don't allow chat programs to save logs to my disk, it creates unnecessary I/O and frankly I don't like the idea that anyone that happens to be sitting in front of my computer or who gains access to the hard disk can read every conversation I've ever had with anyone
[10:45] <DaemonFC> I noticed they had some Android version when I was browsing the marketplace, but I ended up going with Andchat just because I don't want to use software from people that didn't think the ability to disable logging in their desktop version was important
[10:49] <DaemonFC> I think the main reason Kubuntu started carrying Quassel in the first place was because (at the time), Konversation wasn't ported to KDE4
[10:49] <DaemonFC> so including it would have meant including Qt 3 and kdelibs3
[10:50] <DaemonFC> that's no longer an issue
[10:50] <DaemonFC> it would be nice if they revisited their decision and put in KDE software instead of software unrelated to KDE that merely happens to use Qt, but it's not a huge deal
[10:51] <DaemonFC> easy enough to purge Quassel just like it is with LibreOffice to get Calligra instead
[10:54] <Riddell> DaemonFC: you are right in your summarisation
[10:54] <Riddell> DaemonFC: but not right to say quassel isn't kde related, it uses kde libs and has kde developers
[10:54] <Riddell> and there has been no pressing reason to change back to konversation so we keep the status quo
[10:54] <soee> guys do you remember app name for works autocomplete where you can define yuor won strings etc ?
[10:55] <soee> *words
[10:56] <Riddell> soee: your grammer is hard to read, you might need to rephrase so people can understand
[10:56] <soee> Riddell, sorry wans't looking at keyboard when writing
[10:57] <DaemonFC> Riddell: I had a pressing need, grinding hard drive and lag when switching tabs so it can fill the screen with the backlog are not desirable to me
[10:57] <DaemonFC> does is still do that?
[10:57] <soee> Riddell, there is some app where you can define some texts and if you type in editor lets say first 4 letters of this text, full text fill show up
[10:58] <Riddell> DaemonFC: I'm afraid I don't know
[10:58] <Riddell> soee: bash-completion for clever things in bash, otherwise I don't know
[10:59] <soee> Riddell, no thats not it :/
[11:06] <soee> omg got it
[11:06] <soee> Riddell, i wast thinking about AutoKey
[11:06] <soee> *was
[12:18] <cobra-the-joker> KDE 4.8 available on kubuntu now ?
[12:18] <Tm_T> cobra-the-joker: yes, http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.8.0
[12:19] <Tm_T> its mentioned in the channel topic btw (:
[12:24] <JuJuBee> I have been using kubuntu for a few years now.  I want to set up a new server.  Am I correct that there is no such thing as kubuntu-server version?  That without a GUI it is simply ubuntu?
[12:24] <Tm_T> JuJuBee: yup, that's right
[12:24] <Tm_T> ubuntu is kubuntu, and the other way around
[12:50] <K350_> what's the name of KDE4 window decorator and how to change to it?
[12:52] <K350_> google.se
[13:01] <James1479> K350_: I think the default one is Aurorae, alternitive ones are bespin and qt-curve (all can be themed)
[13:05] <James1479> K350_: system settings > worksace appearance > window decorations... to switch between them and their themes
[13:21] <K350_> James1479: Ah, thanks a lot, really appruciated :)
[13:22] <K350_> James1479: After I upgraded to kubuntu 11.10 gtk apps no longer have the KDE color theme they used to have in 11.04. . Any idea how to make gtk apps have the same colors as my KDE apps?
[13:28] <K350_> what's the name of kubuntus default windowsmannager?
[13:28] <K350_> and where the configuration application?
[13:30] <Tm_T> K350_: kwin
[13:30] <James1479> K350_: kwin is the window manager and its configs are at ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc  ... though most options can be set in various places in system settings
[13:35] <silv3r_m00n> is there something available for kde desktop that can give me a reminder with a popup then go away ?
[13:37] <Kalidarn> silv3r_m00n: korganizer?
[13:37] <K350_> James1479: I'm visually handicapped. So I need a zoom and the ability to - sometimes - cahnge to negative.
[13:38] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:38] <Tm_T> K350_: you need effects, run "kcmshell4 kwincompositing"
[13:39] <silv3r_m00n> Kalidarn: I need something simple like a simple message alert every 15 minutes with a popup that stays for 2 seconds and then goes away automatically
[13:39] <James1479> K350_: there is a zoom effect that zooms the entire desktop in desktop effects (I think tis enabled by default and uses the keys "meta+=  meta+-   and meta+0" where meta is the windows key on a windows keyboard
[13:40] <K350_> James1479: Exelent! So then it's just the 'negative' thing missing. Any idea?
[13:42] <James1479> K350_: there is also an invert desktop effect... needs to be enabled > system settings > desktop effects > all effects... as well as other accessibility effects
[13:44] <K350_> Great! I'l remove compiz and see if I cna get these things to work. I really appruciate your help. REally! :)
[13:45] <K350_> oh, wait. I've compiz as defautl windowmannager. Wen I wen tback to change there's no kwin in the list. How do I change to KDE4 defautl window mannager?
[13:46] <James1479> silv3r_m00n: you can always run this: "while sleep 900 ; do ; kdialog --passivepopup "Message" 2 ; done"
[13:47] <James1479> will give you a popup with "Message" every 15 mins for 2 secs
[13:48] <James1479> K350_: fist check kwin is working by running "kwin --replace"
[13:48] <silv3r_m00n> James1479: let me try that
[13:48] <silv3r_m00n> James1479: I ran that in terminal but says bash: syntax error near unexpected token `;'
[13:48] <James1479> silv3r_m00n: o one sec :)
[13:49] <James1479> silv3r_m00n: while sleep 10 ; do kdialog --passivepopup "Hello" 2 ; done
[13:49]  * James1479 forgot that zsh has a SLIGHTLY different syntax
[13:49] <silv3r_m00n> amazing
[13:49] <James1479> ^^ replace 10 with the number of seconds (900 for 15 mins)
[13:50] <James1479> ctrl+c to stop it
[13:50] <silv3r_m00n> thanks for that
[13:51] <silv3r_m00n> the dialog doesn't go out in 2 seconds
[13:52] <silv3r_m00n> its staying longer
[13:52] <James1479> silv3r_m00n: why kde version?
[13:52] <James1479> what ^^
[13:52] <silv3r_m00n> 11.04 kubuntu
[13:53] <silv3r_m00n> ok that's fine
[13:53] <James1479> kde, not kubuntu :) but by your answer I assume 4.7.X (to find out run kde4-config --version or go to any kde app > help > about kde)
[13:53] <silv3r_m00n> not an issue4.6.5
[13:53] <silv3r_m00n> KDE Development Platform: 4.6.5 (4.6.5)
[13:53] <James1479> silv3r_m00n: I am on kde 4.8 now, but remember a bug where the timeout didnt work on a previous version... it was possibally fixed in 4.8
[13:53] <silv3r_m00n> qt 4.7.2
[13:54] <James1479> silv3r_m00n: ^^ or even 4.7 :)
[13:54] <James1479> (but either way, its a bug fixed in a later version... not sure if there is anyhting you can do to fix it but upgrade)
[13:54] <silv3r_m00n> that's not much buggy for me , 2seconds is fine
[13:56] <K350_> James1479: Let me try.......
[13:57] <K350_> James1479:  hm . looks like it does work. But now I can't change /swich between my workspaces..uhm
[13:58] <James1479> K350_: what are you pressing to switch between them?
[14:12] <Linkmaster> im wanting to turn a folder into an .iso file, and i found this link amongst my searching..is this a good link or, is it overly complicated? http://www.walkernews.net/2011/01/08/how-to-convert-folder-to-iso-cd-image-on-linux/
[14:18] <James1479> Linkmaster: k3b sould beable to write a .iso
[14:19] <James1479> ^^ you can add files/folders to a project, select to burn but check the "write iso image" option instead of actually buring an image
[14:19] <Linkmaster> oh, really?
[14:20] <James1479> Linkmaster: last time I check... which was a while ago
[14:20] <Linkmaster> James1479: now i like K3b even more now, i didn't know it could do that
[14:20] <Linkmaster> lemme look at it
[14:21] <James1479> Linkmaster: I do remember it being an option when you go to burn a disk... a little counter intuative but there ^^
[14:21] <Linkmaster> this is on my netbook, so i dont have an optical drive
[14:22] <James1479> Linkmaster: non of my computers have a working/pluged in optical drive anymore :D
[14:22] <James1479> ... only my serve actually has the drive, but I dont have it pluged in anymore...
[14:22] <Linkmaster> hahah, that sounds like a problem in of itself xD but im looking around, im not seeing anything right in front of me, ill look a little deeper however
[14:25] <Linkmaster> okay..i have it set up, i see where it is writing an .iso file (/tmp/kde-joshua/winblows.iso), but it wont let me change the source
[14:28] <James1479> Linkmaster: in k3b create a project > add files > click "burn" > on the writing tab check "only create image"  > on image tab change location to write to... (this is on kde 4.8)
[14:29] <Linkmaster> i see!
[14:30] <K350_> James1479: I'm using arrow keys. Is there no wy to use arrow keyes to chnge desktop in kwin?
[14:30] <Linkmaster> im on kde 4.8 too, beautiful (:
[14:30] <James1479> ^^ there is probally a different approce if you want to turn a disk into an iso... though I think "dd if=/dev/sr0 of=~/FILE.iso"  should be enough
[14:30] <Linkmaster> K350_: you can change keybindings, you talking about gnomes "alt+ctrl+arrowkey" thing?
[14:30] <James1479> K350_: need to set up a shortcut... not sure why there isnt a key attached by default
[14:30] <K350_> James1479: --> also I changed the way you said by typign kwin --replace. Will it stay that way when I reboot?
[14:31] <James1479> K350_: ctrl+f# is the other way
[14:31] <James1479> K350_: unlikly...
[14:31] <James1479> that just confirms kwin is working
[14:31] <James1479>  /installed
[14:32] <K350_> James1479: I guess you set upt the shortcut in the desktop effects. But I dont' kmnow what effect it is that I've to edit
[14:32] <James1479> K350_: no, in global shortcuts
[14:32] <K350_> James1479: Aha, where're the global shortcuts?
[14:33] <Linkmaster> K350_: system settings, gestures and shortcuts. it should be there
[14:33] <James1479> system settings > shortcuts and gestures > global shortcuts
[14:33] <K350_> James1479: Aaah, let me see :)
[14:39] <Linkmaster> James1479: its almost done, though this should be what i was looking for, thanks!
[14:40] <K350_> James1479: what am I looking for in globas?
[14:41] <James1479> K350_: kwin compoent, then "switch deskop [left/right/up/down]"
[14:42] <K350_> James1479: ah...Looking
[14:44] <DskreecH> esktop switching?
[14:50] <simendsjo_> Hi. User with European keyboard here.. Seems kubuntu/kde doesn't map Ctrl-Alt to AltGr. Any way around this? http://superuser.com/questions/384334/using-ctrl-alt-for-altgr
[14:52] <DskreecH> http://blog.andrewbeacock.com/2007/06/getting-right-alt-key-alt-gr-to-work-in.html
[14:53] <Pici> 5/60
[14:56] <simendsjo_> DskreecH: Doesn't help by a long shot. Setting this option makes even AltGr not work for 3rd level keys.
[14:56] <K350_> James1479: Great, now the shortcuts work. But when I change workspace, it's moves pretty slow
[14:56] <DskreecH> simendsjo_: Ah well That's what I came up with
[14:59] <simendsjo_> DskreecH: Thanks anyway. I've tried a lot of combinations here, and only found a couple of semi-acceptable combinations, but that would make it very hard for me to switch between windows and linux. I just want ctrl-alt to work like altgr :) What are other europeans doing? Sucking it up and breaking their wrists - it's mostly a problem with bracket based languages like c
[14:59] <K350_> James1479: rebooting
[15:00] <DskreecH> simendsjo_: Not sure i would suspect that #ubuntu-devel might have an answer
[15:00] <DskreecH> I would presume it's a trick of getting x to see two modifers without any other modification as a new key which I don't know is possible
[15:03] <simendsjo_> DskreecH: I bet someone has found a solution for this ages ago. Pressing {} (on keys 7 and 0) and [] (on keys 8 and 9) is impossible to do without bending the wrist, and it's keys you press a lot :)
[15:04] <DskreecH> I would suspect the lazy way to get around that is reassign those keys with keys you don't press alot :)
[15:07] <SunTsu> simendsjo_: IIRC that's one of the reasons the dvorak layout was invented
[15:08] <simendsjo_> SunTsu: I'm using dvorak
[15:10] <simendsjo_> DskreecH: Using left alt as AltGr and right AltGr as just Alt is the best I can do. I just need to get used to the new layout - and it makes the switch back and forth to windows bit of a pain
[15:10] <SunTsu> simendsjo_: and still? too bad
[15:11] <HFSPLUS> ....................../´¯/)
[15:11] <HFSPLUS> ....................,/¯../
[15:11] <HFSPLUS> .................../..../
[15:11] <FloodBotK3> HFSPLUS: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:11] <LjL> !ops | HFSPLUS
[15:11] <simendsjo_> SunTsu: It's the same layout for 3rd level keys unless I change to programmers dvorak. But doing that would change a lot of keys, and I'd miss some characters like æøå - which means I'd have to change back and forth between different dvorak layouts
[15:12] <simendsjo_> So not an ideal situation at all
[15:16] <K350> jayne: Now everything works better! :)
[15:17] <K350> jayne: --> but all my gtk apps now have their own color theme not KDE's as they'd before. It's a big problem for me to see anyhting. How can I fix this?
[15:27] <itsatarp> can anyone help with me wit a broken package issue?
[15:27] <WhitePelican> I just downloaded kubuntu 11.10. How do I get kde 4,8?
[15:27] <WhitePelican> er 4.8
[15:28] <DskreecH> WhitePelican: Look at http://www.kubuntu.org
[15:28] <WhitePelican> ty :)
[15:29] <WhitePelican> see you guys later
[15:29] <WhitePelican> wiah me luck that I don't sear my disk hehe
[15:29] <WhitePelican> wish*
[15:29] <itsatarp> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python-cups/python-cups_1.9.59-0ubuntu0.1_i386.deb
[15:29] <itsatarp> cant seem to overcome this hump
[15:29] <DskreecH> use a different server?
[15:30] <itsatarp> how would I go about doing that?
[15:35] <EvilResistance> itsatarp, in the sources.list, use a different mirror for the archive.
[15:42] <itsatarp> got it, thanks much EvilResistance
[15:50] <em> Hey the other day when I would click on the K-menu in the lower left hand corner it would give me a stylish menu. Now it is a normal menu like you might have had in Windows 98. Any ideas what happened or how to get back the stylish menu?
[15:53] <em> i fixed it. somehow the 'application launcher' got replaced with a normal menu and they have the same icon
[15:54] <BluesKaj> em,  , classic menu ?
[15:59] <em> BluesKaj: yeah I think it got replaced with the classic menu. The icons look the same.
[16:24] <reservado_> hi, i was trying to install a broadcom wireless (finally installed driver) but now system informs that the card is disabled by software (any one can help me to turn it on??)
[16:25] <alexandre_> ola
[16:27] <reservado_> hello
[16:28] <reservado_> system informs that the card is disabled by software (any one can help me to turn it on??)
[16:33] <reservado_> hi
[16:33] <reservado_> some one here???
[16:33] <Riddell> reservado_: try #ubuntu is you can't get help here, or a mailing list or forum
[16:34] <reservado_> ok
[16:36] <fabio__> alguem ai pra bater um papo
[16:54] <luciano_> hi there!
[17:24] <DarthFrog> Bot wars!
[17:37] <cba123> I just installed a fresh Kubuntu on a new machine I built.  For some reason I can't get over 2-3mbps, but with the same hardware dualbooting to Windows, I get 12mbps.  I can't find anything specific driver wise, anyone have any suggestions?
[17:42] <K350> how to add a repo from the terminal. It's somekind of ppa thingy
[17:42] <aanti> why are most apps in kde so slow ? amarok, dolphin, etc
[17:42] <EvilResistance> K350, add-apt-repository ppa:blah/foo ?
[17:42] <aanti> qt and nvidia doesnt work together well ?
[17:42] <K350> EvilResistance: Thanks a lot! :-)
[17:42] <EvilResistance> aanti, they work quite well together
[17:42] <aanti> EvilResistance: why is everything so sluggish then ?
[17:42]  * EvilResistance uses them quite well together without sluggishness
[17:43] <EvilResistance> i dont know, did you happen to assume its just your system?
[17:43] <aanti> ?
[17:43] <K350> c/c
[17:43] <EvilResistance> runs pretty quickly on mine
[17:43] <aanti> what could be wrong on my side then ?
[17:43]  * EvilResistance points at the 2x4core Xeon processor in the system running Kubuntu :P
[17:43] <aanti> Sysinfo for 'blackbox': Linux 3.2.0-12-generic running KDE Development Platform 4.7.97 (4.8 RC2 (4.7.97), CPU: AMDAthlonIIX4640 at 800 MHz (5999 bogomips), HD: 547/784GB, RAM: 7562/7986MB, 171 proc's, 1.18h up
[17:44] <cba123> Same here, programs are fast, short of my network issue that I'm trying to hammer out.
[17:44] <aanti> nvidia 460 gtx using 285.05.09 drivers
[17:45] <cba123> could always be settings, drive speed
[17:45] <aanti> for example if i sort a huge list of files in dolphin its SLOW or if i change column size of amaroks playlist
[17:45] <aanti> its a crucial m4 ssd
[17:45] <aanti> doest get much faster ..
[17:45] <cba123> Filesystem?
[17:45] <aanti> ext4
[17:46] <aanti> its UI operations that are slow
[17:46] <cba123> Ok, could still be misconfigured settings.  I have the same ssd
[17:46] <cba123> and I'm running fine
[17:46] <aanti> are you serious
[17:46] <cba123> Yes
[17:46] <aanti> this has nothing to do with filesystem
[17:46] <aanti> UUID=3b2f066e-d389-48b1-bd8c-dd6ad3acbdde /home           ext4    noatime,discard,$
[17:47] <aanti> there mount options
[17:47] <cba123> Intel though, and I'm saying it could be your customizations.  File system is something you could have different than others here, so it's possible.
[17:47] <aanti> how can be a slowdown in resizing an ui element be caused by a fs
[17:48] <cba123> Where does Amarok live?  On a fulesystem?
[17:48] <cba123> filesystem*
[17:48] <aanti> lol
[17:48] <aanti> bb
[18:03] <FloodBotK3> !netsplit
[18:49] <antoinev> hello, since the previous Xorg update, transparency is no longer working on my computer
[18:49] <antoinev> is there any known bug/fix?
[19:24] <VAGNER-poutsini> has anyone noticed HEAT INCREASE on the CPU after installing KDE 4.8?
[19:27] <VAGNER-poutsini> noone?
[19:27] <VAGNER-poutsini> or noone listens?
[19:29] <Lynoure> hmm?
[19:47] <datruth> I have synapitiks installed to disable my touchpad when I have a mouse plugged in how can I disable the keys ctrl + c from enabling and disabling the touch pad?
[20:40] <viranch> i'm using kubuntu 11.10, why do i have to add backport ppa repository for kde 4.8? is it going to be available in main archive?
[20:41] <datruth> How does one disable the touchpad?
[20:49] <Kottizen> hi, is there any way to debug KMail? I can't send messages, but it doesn't tell me why
[20:50] <Kottizen> they are just stuck in the local folders
[20:57] <meNtha> Kottizen
[20:57] <meNtha> debug progress
[20:57] <meNtha> install Thunderbird :d
[20:57] <Kottizen> no thanks
[20:57] <meNtha> mmkayû
[21:46] <MaxHR> Hello, looking for a download manager recommendation... hopefully one that has the option to add mirrors and download bits from all at once for higher speed
[22:03] <zzezzz> hello, i have access to a computer through teamviewer, how can i hear the sound produced over there?
[22:08] <zzezzz> how can i redirect audio output to input so that i can send my speaker sounds through a skype call? i'm using kubuntu 11.10
[22:17] <jovin> anyone can tell me where i have to look for the source code of the music title plasma widget?
[22:38] <Guest32780> Hi, I wonder if anyone can help me finish an opera install...
[22:38] <FloodBotK3> !netsplit
[22:43] <Guest32780> I tried to install opera from opera's site but a message said that there is an older version in the software channels and would not install the version that I downloaded. Im' not sure which channals it is talking about because I have not been able to find opera in muon  anyone?
[22:43] <Guest32780> i'm new to Linux
[22:46] <asfyxia> Guest32780, when you open de kickoff launcher (left under, the 'K', you can type above in the open field the name 'Opera'. When nothing shows up, it's not there. There is no Opera in the standard software, afaik (suppose you are running Kubuntu 11.10)
[22:49] <Guest32780> yes I am running (as you say) Kubuntu 11.10  So how do I install it then?
[22:52] <asfyxia> You have to download the latest Opera from their site for Linux, that's a .deb-file I remember. You'll find it in your home map, or where you define to put downloads. From there, you can install it with Ark, and you should find it then under 'Internet'.
[22:58] <asfyxia> Guest32780, I have to go while it's midnight here, success (I managed to install it too, and I'm not exactly a whiz kid), and when you run into something strange I hope there will be others to give you a hand ;-)
[22:58] <Guest32780> ok thanks! i'm working at at
[23:01] <FloodBotK3> !netsplit
[23:13] <Guest32780> ok, I used Ark to Extract the opera files...now what do I do with them at this point?
[23:22] <FloodBotK3> !netsplit
[23:24] <Guest32780> hello?
[23:28] <tomk_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8Xg_C2YmG0
[23:28] <tomk_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8Xg_C2YmG0
[23:46] <FloodBotK3> !netsplit