[00:26] <rbasak> pdeee: sorry, I have a big backlog of outstanding things to do for people from before Christmas. Still working my way through (as well as regular work). It's my SRU day today (Wednesday) though, so I'll see if I can review it as part of that.
[00:34] <jbicha> tzero: you could also try #debian-python on OFTC
[00:37] <tzero> jbicha: cool, I'll try that, thanks
[00:38] <tzero> I severely underestimated how much time and effort it would take to create a PPA for a project :/
[00:47] <pdeee> rbasak, thanks!
[01:01] <nacc> bdmurray: sorry, I'll clarify in the bug!
[01:20] <nacc> tarpman: openldap import should be done now
[09:39] <Laney> elopio: I needed to restart one of the machines - all the others seemed okay
[10:00] <Saviq> wgrant, hey, another builder kernel update? arm64 fails to build again https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2272
[10:01] <Saviq> better link https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/2272/+build/11841438
[10:03] <sil2100> Yeah, I published a new kernel to -updates/-security yesterday, so maybe the builders go those automatically
[10:09] <Saviq> oSoMoN, do you know of an oxide throw of "'std::out_of_range'   what():  map::at"?
[10:11] <oSoMoN> Saviq, could it be https://bugs.launchpad.net/oxide/+bug/1643976 ?
[10:11] <oSoMoN> huh, why is this bug private?
[10:13] <oSoMoN> bug #1643976
[10:14] <Saviq> oSoMoN, yup, looks like it
[10:15] <oSoMoN> Saviq, can you please confirm (and add details if relevant)
[10:19] <Saviq> ack
[10:42] <gabmus> hello people. I am making a graphical application to install GPU drivers on linux, and I'd need some help. I use arch but I'd want to make this application compatible with any (or most) distro. Could you please tell me the packages you need to install on ubuntu 16.04 and 16.10 to get the drivers working respectively for nvidia, nvidia+intel (optimus), intel, amd, amd+nvidia and intel+amd (primus)?
[10:43] <gabmus> thank you
[10:50] <rbasak> gabmus: Ubuntu already does this in System Settings->Software & Updates->Additional Drivers. If you still want to write an alternative app, perhaps look at the source of the existing one?
[10:51] <rbasak> I'm not sure if my knowledge is current. Maybe try #ubuntu-desktop.
[10:52] <gabmus> rbasak: It's much easier to just get a list of packages from users. If there was a good wiki page about this it'd be better. Don't worry if your knowledge is a bit dated, it's still more than I have right now :)
[10:52] <rbasak> gabmus: the list of packages will fall out of date though.
[10:53] <gabmus> rbasak: and I will update it. it's not possible to make this kind of application without updating it.
[11:30] <wgrant> Saviq: argh, new one uploaded.
[11:30] <wgrant> Will take a couple of hours to build.
[11:37] <LocutusOfBorg> nacc, imagemagick uppdate/merge?
[11:58] <Saviq> wgrant, thanks
[12:36] <juliank> On a partial request for https://netix.dl.sourceforge.net/project/corefonts/the%20fonts/final/andale32.exe, the sourceforge redirector responds with 302 Found Location: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/mirrorproblem?failedmirror=netix.dl.sourceforge.net
[12:36] <juliank> - that thing is madness
[13:02] <ginggs> I'm seeing a few packages coming from Debian that have recently added 'DEB_BUILD_MAINT_OPTIONS = hardening=+all' and now FTBFS in Ubuntu.  Is it sane to change that to 'hardening=+all,-pie' ?
[13:03] <cjwatson> hardening=+all in Debian is a deliberate request to opt into PIE
[13:03] <cjwatson> so that sounds like a peculiar approach to fixing the build failures
[13:04] <ginggs> compare a build log: https://buildd.debian.org/status/fetch.php?pkg=flint&arch=amd64&ver=2.5.2-14&stamp=1482283514
[13:04] <ginggs> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/299303934/buildlog_ubuntu-zesty-amd64.flint_2.5.2-14_BUILDING.txt.gz
[13:04] <ginggs> look for the './configure' line
[13:05] <ginggs> on the Ubuntu build log has -fPIE
[13:05] <ginggs> *only
[13:06] <juliank> Both should do -fPIE according to man, wonder what changed
[13:06] <cjwatson> Debian's dpkg-buildflags doesn't emit -fPIE nowadays since it's the default in the toolchain
[13:06] <cjwatson> AIUI
[13:06] <cjwatson> see Debian #835149
[13:06] <ginggs> in this case we are building a library, so we don't actually want PIE, right?
[13:07] <juliank> Don't we really want the newer dpkg with that change?
[13:07] <cjwatson> that would seem better than hacking about with individual packages
[14:11] <LocutusOfBorg> I agree, I had to patch libpng, gdal and many more for this pie stuff
[14:11] <LocutusOfBorg> not sure why doko didn't switch it yet
[14:11] <LocutusOfBorg> and I'm also waiting for the new dpkg to merge sbuild
[14:12] <slangasek> kenvandine: did you mean to edit the TB calendar event,
[14:12] <slangasek> kenvandine: or was that an Ubuntu Phone playing havoc with sync?
[14:12] <LocutusOfBorg> gdcm patched too
[14:12] <kenvandine> slangasek, no... i didn't... it must have been my phone
[14:12] <kenvandine> damn!
[14:12] <kenvandine> sigh
[14:13]  * kenvandine disables canonical account on all devices
[14:34] <elopio> thanks Laney. Testing again.
[15:22] <caribou> I'm doing an SRU of a fix in Zesty that brought in two new values to a conffile. Those values are not required to be present in the conffile and can be added later to alter some timings. Would it be sufficient to add a mention in the README to avoid a conffile prompt ?
[16:44] <RFleming> Greetings and other salutations...
[16:45] <RFleming> Is there a way to change the mount options for gvfsd-fuse to allow root access to /run/user/x/gvfs... or is it hardcoded somewhere?
[17:25] <nacc> RFleming: did you perhaps want #ubuntu for that question?
[17:26] <nacc> tarpman: were you able to look at the openldap import? did it provide what you needed?
[18:26] <tarpman> nacc: sorry for the delay, import looks great, thanks a lot!
[18:26] <nacc> tarpman: np! just wanted to check in
[18:55] <RFleming> nacc: I did ask #ubuntu and in #gnome as well.  I thought to ask here as GVfs is a fundamental part of GNOME and Unity and if anyone knew how to modify how gvfs-fuse-daemon started, it would be developers.
[18:58] <RFleming> nacc: I'm also aware this really is a fuse issue (in that root can't stat the gvfs folder)
[18:59] <RFleming> nacc: that's why I was hoping someone would have an idea on passing further options to gvfs-fuse-daemon that would allow root to at least stat the gvfsd-fuse mount
[19:02] <nacc> RFleming: ok, i just meant topically
[19:03] <nacc> RFleming: note that it seems root can ls it with gvfs-ls
[19:03] <RFleming> nacc: Yes, that is true... but the problem is with backup software which doesn't know.
[19:04] <RFleming> instead it tries to stat it (even though it is ignored ... same with the fstype) and fails to generate a list of files it can backup because it errors out.
[19:05] <RFleming> I have to manually unmount the gvfsd-fuse mount for backups to function.
[19:05] <RFleming> It truly is a GNOME only thing
[19:05] <RFleming> FYI: the backup software is Veritas Backup Exec
[19:06] <nacc> RFleming: why are you backing up /run?
[19:06] <RFleming> I'm not, but the agent has to scan the filesystem
[19:07] <RFleming> ... /run is ignored, so is the gvfsd-fuse filesystem type.
[19:07] <RFleming> but it still stats every directory
[19:07] <RFleming> It's frustrating
[19:08] <nacc> that sounds like broken software
[19:08] <nacc> why woudl it need to stat directories it is going to ignore?
[19:08] <RFleming> my guess is "Because it's easier".
[19:09] <RFleming> it appears to use the ignore lists to not put those items in the selectable list, not in ignoring what to stat
[19:11] <dobey> so it sounds like you should complain to veritas then
[19:11] <RFleming> they don't particularly care
[19:11] <dobey> their software is broken
[19:11] <RFleming> their answer is... you shouldn't be using GNOME in a server environment, unmount it
[19:12] <RFleming> but this deviates from the question on how to pass additional options gvfs-fuse-daemon that would let root stat it (without using gvfs commands)
[19:12] <dobey> so it works with other fuse mounts?
[19:12] <RFleming> if it isn't possible, then that's that.
[19:13] <RFleming> I don't have other fuse mounts
[19:13] <dobey> and does "sudo stat" work on the mount point?
[19:14] <RFleming> no
[19:14] <smoser> anyone know how to make this new-fangled ipython work in vi mode ?
[19:14] <smoser> with the old link to readline i used to hit ctrl-alt-j
[19:14] <RFleming> dobey: as root /run/user/x/gvfs says permission denied
[19:15] <smoser> i think i'm supposed to be able to do:
[19:15] <smoser>  %config TerminalInteractiveShell.editing_mode = 'emacs'
[19:15] <smoser> per http://ipython.readthedocs.io/en/stable/config/options/terminal.html
[19:15] <smoser> (err... = 'vi') but that doesnt seem to work for m
[19:15] <smoser> me
[19:16] <dobey> RFleming: the problem has nothing to do with gvfs
[19:17] <dobey> hmm
[19:19] <nacc> rbasak: ok, i might have found a problem with our -devel pointers
[19:20] <dobey> RFleming: well maybe it's a bug in gvfs-fuse then
[19:20] <dobey> RFleming: you could just uninstall gvfs-fuse perhaps
[19:20] <RFleming> how would that impact Unity?
[19:20] <dobey> it wouldn't
[19:21] <dobey> gvfs-fuse is just a magic thing to expose gvfs "mounts" as traditional filesystem mounts so you can access with things that don't support gvfs
[19:21] <RFleming> ok
[19:22] <RFleming> It might be better to disable it first
[19:24] <RFleming> dobey: thanks.
[19:25] <dobey> sure
[20:32] <nacc> jbicha: for the pacemaker merge, i see you kept a delta in the yakkety merge, but it only applies if upgrading from 14.04 -- it seems like that could have been dropped post x release?
[20:36] <jbicha> nacc: I don't know much about the package
[20:37] <jbicha> I think the changelog is confusing though, I think it's intent is "to maintain compatability with how that package used to work, keep these packages as recommends"
[20:37] <nacc> jbicha: yeah, i might update in the updated merge to make that clear
[20:37] <jbicha> I
[20:38] <jbicha> 've no idea how important those packages are
[20:39] <nacc> jbicha: ack, thanks!
[20:40] <nacc> jamespage: --^ i think you actually originated this in the first xenial merge; am I right in thinking we can drop that delta at this point? new installers don't need it (afaict), and upgraders will have it from x release?
[21:40] <nacc> rbasak: in your branch, `usd import` fails, because import_patches_unapplied_tree refers to oldcwd which no longer is defined?
[21:51] <nacc> slangasek: since we are not syncing from debian on src:ilohamail (fakesync), but debian has deleted that package, do I need to manually (via bug subscribing ~ubuntu-archive) request its deletion from Ubuntu?
[23:47] <rbasak> nacc: sorry, I'll take a look.
[23:47] <nacc> rbasak: np! i was just doing an import and hadn't switched my branch back :)
[23:58] <rbasak> nacc: I think the easiest way to fix that is to 1) not change the current directory; and 2) use dpkg-source -x ... dsc_path extract_dir.
[23:59] <rbasak> nacc: I'm not sure if you know that dpkg-source -x takes "output_directory" as an optional second positional argument. Do you see any other issue with that?
[23:59] <rbasak> We could do that in most places, actually.


[02:25] <ScottL> crimsun, jussi persia stochastic TheMuso : i would like to get your opinions on the network-admin bug #570828
[02:26] <ScottL> basically, the UI has been removed that allows network configuration because network-manager was implemented and they wanted only one place to make the configuration
[02:26] <ScottL> i have not had much luck in either fixing the problem or getting someone already involved to fix it
[02:27] <ScottL> so i was thinking that perhaps we should drop in network-manager as a replacement for network-admin in the last alpha and test it
[02:27] <ScottL> if we don't see too many adverse effects perhaps we might consider using network-manager as default
[02:27] <ScottL> thoughts?
[02:33] <crimsun> hmm. That's a tough one. I think replacing g-n-a with n-m is the way to go.
[02:33] <crimsun> In the end, if the issues lie in the kernel and in n-m, they need to be fixed for everyone.
[02:38] <TheMuso> crimsun: Agreed. We already ship nm-applet, not hard to move it to desktop.
[02:38] <TheMuso> crimsun: BTW, do you have a pointer to your ossproxy packaging anywhere? Would like to test/get it into maverick.
[13:13] <scott-work> it looks like the qjackctl ports-rename SRU is marked as "fix released"...yay
[13:13] <scott-work> thank you again crimsun for you help doing that :)
[13:13] <scott-work> it feels good to substantially improve the quality of the release for a LTS version
[14:01] <scott-work> TheMuso: did you know that phonon is installed on the ubuntu studio ISO?
[14:02] <falktx> hm, scott-work, really?
[14:02] <falktx> phonon is a qt/kde thing
[14:02] <scott-work> lol falktx i just posted in OSM to you
[14:02] <falktx> hehe, cool
[14:03] <scott-work> yeah, /pool/main/p/phonon/libphonon4_4.7.0really4.4.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb /pool/main/p/phonon/phonon-backend-xine_4.7.0really4.4.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb /pool/main/p/phonon/phonon_4.7.0really4.4.2-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[14:03] <scott-work> or in readable human english
[14:03] <falktx> oh, and xine as well I suppose
[14:03] <scott-work> libphonon4_4.7.0really4.4.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[14:03] <falktx> scott-work: look for xine too
[14:03] <scott-work> phonon-backend-xine_4.7.0really4.4.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[14:03] <scott-work> phonon_4.7.0really4.4.2-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[14:04] <scott-work> hmmm, libxine1-bin_<IP_ADDRESS>-4ubuntu3_i386.deb libxine1-console_<IP_ADDRESS>-4ubuntu3_i386.deb libxine1-misc-plugins_<IP_ADDRESS>-4ubuntu3_i386.deb libxine1-x_<IP_ADDRESS>-4ubuntu3_i386.deb libxine1_<IP_ADDRESS>-4ubuntu3_i386.deb
[14:07] <falktx> that's too bad for a gnome distro
[14:07] <falktx> which app is pulling those?
[14:08] <scott-work> i don't know and not sure how to find it other than hunt and peck
[14:09] <falktx> scott-work: any "kde" packages ?
[14:09] <falktx> kdelibs5 for example?
[14:09] <scott-work> falktx: no kde other than "disKDEfines"
[14:10] <scott-work> i'm guessing totem might be pulling xine in?
[14:10] <falktx> yep, i'm looking at the list now
[14:10] <falktx> totem has both gstreamer and xine backends
[14:11] <falktx> i'm sure it's not totem
[14:11] <falktx> probably qt libs instead
[14:11] <falktx> scott-work: do you have a recent install of ubuntustudio?
[14:12] <scott-work> i'm at work so not at the moment
[14:12] <falktx> you can easily check there which package is pulling the xine/phonon thing...
[14:12] <falktx> oh
[14:12] <falktx> i can install it now to test
[14:13] <falktx> downloading the latest iso, I'll install it on virtualbox and check this for you
[14:16] <scott-work> sweet :)
[14:16] <falktx> enterprise internet is awesome!
[14:16] <scott-work> lol
[14:16] <falktx> 1m to complete download
[14:17] <falktx> hehe, 7.0Mb/s
[14:18] <falktx> done, installing it now
[14:19] <scott-work> are you going to use 'rdepends' to find this?
[14:20] <falktx> synaptic
[14:20] <falktx> gui is better
[15:01] <falktx> scott-work: the installation failed, cannot find kernel
[15:02] <falktx> i'll try to install even without kernel, but that will cause issues of course
[15:02] <falktx> should be enough for this xine/phonon thing too
[15:03] <scott-work> hmmm, interesting that the kernel failed :(
[15:03] <falktx> another error about aptitude
[15:04] <falktx> "Can't exec 'aptitude': No such file or..."
[15:04] <falktx> afaik, aptitude was removed from default ubuntu installs
[15:05] <falktx> why does ubuntustudio still needs it?
[15:06] <falktx> installation failed! I'll try reinstall
[15:15] <falktx> scott-work: ubuntustudio is uninstallable
[15:15] <falktx> 1st error - cannot find kernel
[15:15] <falktx> 2nd error - trying to use aptitude while it's not installed anymore, gives errors after setting user password
[15:16] <falktx> the 2nd error is the worse, the installation just stops
[15:17] <falktx> I'll install the "command-line only" option, then checking the ubuntustudio packages to see what pushes phonon
[15:22] <falktx> scott-work: it seems like all ubuntu alternate cds are now broken... :((
[15:23] <falktx> (maverick only, lucid is still fine)
[15:29] <scott-work> falktx: most disturbing, i wonder if the server ISO is broken also, i will download a daily of both server-alternate and ubuntustudio for maverick tonight and see
[15:30] <falktx> i think it's because of the aptitude removal
[15:31] <falktx> the kernel not found i'm not sure
[15:39] <scott-work> this might be slightly bad since we are scheduled to release the next alpha ISO this Friday i think
[15:43] <scott-work> i wonder if this is a problem with installing in VM or just a problem holistically
[15:43] <falktx> the aptitude error is bad, i'm sure it will happen to everyone
[15:44] <scott-work> i wonder if this is a transitory problem, it would surprise me if no one thought about this being a problem at Canonical or with one of the core-devs involved
[15:47] <falktx> probably ubuntu changed the aptitude thing on their alternate cds
[15:48] <falktx> for what i can tell, scripts are ran when installing from an alternate cd
[15:48] <falktx> one of those scripts has "aptitude" in line 2
[15:49] <falktx> since aptitude is no longer in ubuntu-minimal package (installed before the kernel),
[15:49] <falktx> everything else will fail for those who depends on aptitude
[16:56] <scott-work> falktx: you downloaded from the daily?
[16:58] <falktx> scott-work: yes, daily/current
[21:57]  * abogani_ waves
[22:26] <scott-work> hi abogani  :)
[22:32] <holstein> w00t
[22:32]  * holstein started using abogani 's kernel PPA
[22:33] <scott-work> hi holstein  :)
[22:33] <scott-work> bye holstein  :)
[22:53] <TheMuso> ScottL: Yes, kde apps pull it in.


[08:58] <dkessel> oh, balloons is in stealthy Guest62641 mode :)
[08:59] <flocculant> ha ha
[09:04] <knome> aka failmode


[10:49] <loltoad> so i have a USB interface to this lm3s8962 board, and it creates a /dev/ttyUSB0, how do i flash it?
[15:41] <hrw> morning
[15:43] <rsalveti> vstehle: https://wiki.linaro.org/WorkingGroups/KernelConsolidation/Projects/FlashCardSurvey
[16:03] <velory> Hi, I'm using ubuntu on arm with xfce DE.. Is there any interface that I can connect wireless or should I connect from terminal ?
[16:10] <rsalveti> velory: nm-applet?
[16:11] <velory> rsalveti:  I don't know nm-applet , downloaded wcid right now but it says it couldn't open wicd D-Bus interface
[16:18] <janimo> velory, nm-applet is network manager, you could try that
[16:43] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: fun for you: bug 688765
[16:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 688765 in linux (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "Can't init uart3 (no clocks available) at Beagleboard-xM (affects: 1) (heat: 12)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/688765
[17:05] <mwhudson> rsalveti: ping
[17:05] <mwhudson> rsalveti: i have a panda here and i would like to boot it
[17:05] <mwhudson> i hear you have an image that works?
[17:06] <GrueMaster> mwhudson: http://cdimage.conference/ubuntu-netbook/daily-preinstalled/20110112/
[17:06] <GrueMaster> That is our daily preinstalled image.
[17:06] <mwhudson> GrueMaster: thanks
[17:06] <GrueMaster> Last night's image failed to build due to a dependency (happens).
[17:06] <GrueMaster> You will need a monitor, keyboard, and mouse.
[17:07] <mwhudson> ah
[17:07] <mwhudson> there's no headless?
[17:07] <GrueMaster> It is a netbook image.  We have a blueprint to create a minimal image, but it is WIP.
[17:09] <GrueMaster> You can also roll your own with rootstock.
[17:10] <GrueMaster> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootStock
[17:10] <GrueMaster> mwhudson:  ^^^
[17:10] <mwhudson> i'll try the linaro headless i guess
[17:20] <rsalveti> mwhudson: pong
[17:20] <rsalveti> mwhudson: try linaro headless, otherwise we can easily generate a minimal image for you
[17:20] <mwhudson> rsalveti: nm, GrueMaster helped me out
[17:21] <mwhudson> rsalveti: that would be really nice actually
[17:22] <rsalveti> mwhudson: ok, give me a minute
[17:22] <mwhudson> (having a battle getting the linaro stuff to behave)
[17:33] <ndec> cooloney: hi! i am trying to boot mainline kernel (.37) with maverick minimal FS, and i got a panic right at init. it works with busybox FS. so somehow ubuntu requires some defconfig which might be missing. any idea?
[17:35] <ndec> rsalveti: sebjan: ^^^ in case you are interested...
[17:47] <mwhudson> rsalveti: getting anywhere with that image?
[17:48] <rsalveti> mwhudson: getting a weird qemu bug :-(
[17:48] <mwhudson> bah
[17:48] <mwhudson> my day is full of yaks
[17:49] <rsalveti> mwhudson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/553687/
[17:49] <mwhudson> rsalveti: oh, i think i had that
[17:49] <rsalveti> let me try a maverick rootfs
[17:49] <mwhudson> rsalveti: get the qemu-kvm-extras-static from natty
[17:50] <mwhudson> rsalveti: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/62064032/qemu-kvm-extras-static_0.13.0%2Bnoroms-0ubuntu11_amd64.deb
[17:50] <rsalveti> oh, saw the bug
[17:50] <rsalveti> fixed with latest one
[17:50] <rsalveti> ok
[17:52] <rsalveti> trying again
[17:52] <rsalveti> sorry for taking so long, lots of interruptions around :-)
[17:53] <rsalveti> ndec: cooloney could boot it with upstream kernel
[17:53] <rsalveti> let me ping him to send you his .config
[17:53] <mwhudson> rsalveti: no kidding
[17:53] <mwhudson> (it also seems my panda doesn't want to boot at all)
[17:54] <ndec> rsalveti: yes, but with the natty defconfig, not the default config from mainline kernel. maybe i wasn't clear... in fact I am looking for the CONFIG that are needed on top of mainline to make it work
[17:55] <rsalveti> mwhudson: weird, are you at least getting to x-loader and u-boot?
[17:56] <mwhudson> rsalveti: no
[17:56] <mwhudson> i now have jcrigby on the case
[17:56] <rsalveti> mwhudson: hm, ok
[17:57] <cooloney> ndec: what i did is
[17:57] <cooloney> 1) generate the kernel config file in natty ti-omap4
[17:58] <cooloney> 2) copy that to mainline kernel tree as .config
[17:58] <cooloney> 3) load that .config when running menuconfig
[17:58] <cooloney> 4) build the kernel with that .config and the kernel is supposed to be ok on Panda with ubuntu root filesystem
[17:59] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: can you target bug 694059 for maverick for me? I added the qemu-kvm component but can't target to a specific distro version
[17:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 694059 in qemu-kvm (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "qemu fatal cp15 message report and image creation block (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/694059
[18:02] <GrueMaster> Sure, on it.
[18:03] <rsalveti> weee qemu: uncaught target signal 6 (Aborted) - core dumped
[18:12] <rsalveti> mwhudson: ok, finally generated it, will test
[18:13] <jcrigby> rsalveti, I have that qemu problem.  The version on natty (.13) fixes it.  There is a maverick version in my ppa.
[18:13] <jcrigby> as a workaround
[18:14] <rsalveti> jcrigby: yup, but I wanted that to be fixed at the archive
[18:15] <jcrigby> rsalveti, I understand just letting you know of the binary for workaround
[18:17] <rsalveti> jcrigby: oh, sure :-)
[18:17] <rsalveti> thanks
[19:18] <rsalveti> mwhudson: finally something that works
[19:19] <rsalveti> mwhudson: http://people.canonical.com/~rsalveti/rootfs/natty/
[19:19]  * mwhudson sees he's not the only one not eating lunch yet
[19:20] <mwhudson> rsalveti: how do i use this?
[19:20] <mwhudson> rsalveti: thanks a lot, btw :)
[19:20] <rsalveti> mwhudson: the rootfs you just extract to your desired partition (usb, sd card, whatever)
[19:20] <rsalveti> then for the first partition, it needs to be a fat one, as the linaro script creates
[19:20] <rsalveti> just copy the boot files over there and it should boot fine
[19:21] <mwhudson> ah ok
[19:24] <rsalveti> mwhudson: ok, just updated the boot files again
[19:24] <rsalveti> http://people.canonical.com/~rsalveti/rootfs/natty/boot/
[19:24] <rsalveti> with proper cmdline if you want to use X later on with gst and stuff
[19:24] <rsalveti> and the correct uImage
[19:24] <rsalveti> just tested and it's working fine on my pand
[19:24] <rsalveti> if you want, just get to the ARM room and get my sd card
[19:25] <rsalveti> you can test with it, I'm not using
[19:25] <rsalveti> user ubuntu/ubuntu
[19:26] <rsalveti> sakoman_: the new u-boot rocks, booting a lot faster, thanks a lot
[19:29] <mwhudson> rsalveti: thanks, seems to be booting
[19:29] <rsalveti> mwhudson: awesome
[19:29] <mwhudson> (with the old boot files i expect, but that's ok, i don't want to use x)
[19:30] <rsalveti> mwhudson: ok, should work the same way
[20:29] <rsalveti> jcrigby: http://gitorious.org/~rsalveti/x-loader/ubuntu-x-loader
[20:29] <rsalveti> jcrigby: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/x-loader
[20:29] <rsalveti> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/x-loader/1.4.4+git20101223+6f3a261-1ubuntu0/+build/2148178
[21:24] <cooloney> sebjan: i turned on "Enable L3 error logging" and will test kernel building again.
[21:24] <cooloney> sebjan: hope i can get some information about the failure
[21:38] <mwhudson> rsalveti: does /usr/lib/apt/methods/https using 100% cpu for several minutes on a panda sound like a problem?
[21:39] <ogra> mwhudson, nah, not really :P
[21:39] <ogra> mwhudson, thats update-apt-xapian-index i would guess
[21:39] <mwhudson> aah
[21:39] <mwhudson> ok
[21:39] <mwhudson> it's progressing now
[21:40] <ogra> installing htop is a clever move ;)
[21:40] <cooloney> sebjan: it looks there is no L3 error at all when I got bus error from gcc.
[21:41] <mwhudson> ogra: can i turn update-apt-xapian-index off?
[21:44] <ogra> ask mvo
[21:44] <ogra> i'm n ot sure what it implies if you dont have it running, i guess software center will become very slow when searching in it
[21:53] <mwhudson> ogra: turns out it's not installed
[22:12] <ogra> mwhudson, hmm
[22:12] <ogra> then its probably update-manager itself
[22:34] <lool> mwhudson: You can divert it to /bin/true  :-)
[22:34] <mwhudson> lool: heh heh
[22:35] <mwhudson> sadly i don't think diverting .../apt/transports/https to true would have the desired effect


[14:58] <falcojr> blackboxsw: I'm seeing Azure Bionic failures on https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/main/tests/integration_tests/bugs/test_lp1835584.py#L64 . Is this test still relevant?
[17:15] <blackboxsw> falcojr: checking , just did a driveby review on Vultr https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/987#pullrequestreview-739737428


[12:29] <asdaaazzzz> http://summit.ubuntu.com/media/images/youtube_placeholder.png <- maybe add a "disabled" play button?
[12:29] <asdaaazzzz> I joined IRC because I thought the session video would appear here. I'm not the smartest man.
[13:41] <rickspencer3> hi fagan
[13:41] <fagan> Hey rickspencer3
[13:42]  * rickspencer3 tries to figure out how to set up hangout on air
[13:43] <belkinsa> rickspencer3, need the link to the wiki page?
[13:44] <rickspencer3> thanks belkinsa, but I am working through it now :)
[13:44] <belkinsa> rickspencer3, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS/Sessions
[13:44] <belkinsa> Alright
[13:50] <fagan> MarkShuttleworth and no sabdfl?
[13:50] <MarkShuttleworth> I'm not that Mark Shuttleworth
[13:51] <fagan> Im honestly surprised it is not reserved
[13:52] <mkazmierczak> Hello everybody :)
[13:52] <fagan> hey mkazmierczak
[13:52] <enleeten> yo
[13:53] <cmdrjey> good morning
[13:53] <fagan> brb
[13:54] <rickspencer3> ok, seems to working, will just wait a few minutes until start time
[13:56] <fagan> Tea time
[13:56] <mhall119> o/
[13:57] <rickspencer3> hi mhall119
[13:58] <rickspencer3> olli, just left!
[13:59] <rickspencer3> should we start it up?
[13:59]  * rickspencer3 starts it
[13:59] <fagan> Sure I suppose
[14:00] <fagan> He will catch up
[14:00] <mdeslaur> \o
[14:00] <SitUBUSitGoodDog> All I want to know is if Ubuntu Phone will be introduced and incorporated with PhoneBloks. https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/M4XydIJyS5m9pHhi2r93
[14:00] <fagan> Its live
[14:00] <mhall119> remember to ask questions starting with QUESTION so it's easier for the hosts to see it
[14:02] <fagan> Don't be shy about asking questions, just make sure to put a QUESTION at the start
[14:03] <cmdrjey> question : would a brief overview be appropriate?
[14:04] <olli> cmdrjey, what would you like to know about specifically
[14:04] <olli> rickspencer3 is giving an overview of the Ubuntu Unity8 image
[14:05] <mrbronwstone3g> QUESTION:  How does the new x conpat layer differ from xmir
[14:05] <willcooke> QUESTION:  Will Unity 8 require a touchscreen?
[14:05] <fagan> willcooke: No it wont
[14:05] <willcooke> cool
[14:06] <cmdrjey> is the functionality/interface appearance the goal or an actual prod.
[14:06] <alexmigf> QUESTION: When we will have Photoshop, Corel Draw and other software in Ubuntu?
[14:07] <lool> rickspencer3: 16:06 < cmdrjey> is the functionality/interface appearance the goal or an actual prod.
[14:07] <fagan> alexmigf: isn't there a CS cloud now that you can use?
[14:07] <alexmigf> in Ubuntu don't work
[14:08] <ivo_xavier> [QUESTION] Mir will work on old graphics card? Like intel hd ? Or it will just work on new graphcis card's?
[14:08] <alexmigf> it's cloud but you have to install
[14:08] <fagan> alexmigf: Oh I thought that the entire thing was in the browser. I never really looked into it
[14:08] <willcooke> QUESTION:  Will I be able to do the equivalent of X forwarding via SSH under Mir? (eventually, not right now)
[14:08] <alexmigf> no, software is installed, associate services are cloud
[14:08] <alexmigf> like key verification, host files, etc
[14:09] <fagan> alexmigf: Ah ok thanks for the clarification.
[14:10] <SitUBUSitGoodDog> QUESTION  will Ubuntu Phone be compatible with Phonebloks? https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/aB0AqLuqRvRObbi8GraS
[14:10] <scharel> QUESTION: will there be big visual differance between unity8 and actual unity
[14:12] <fagan> scharel: its a complete rewrite of Unity focused around having 1 code base for phone, tablet, desktop and TV eventually
[14:14] <mr> QUESTION : Why didn't you just branch out from desktop instead of "breaking" desktop?
[14:14] <cmdrjey> thanks fagan, that's what I was looking for...
[14:14] <kgunn> ivo_xavier: answer on mir is, mir uses mesa/dri2...and so, mir will support what mesa supports, that being said i think dri2 did drop some older gfx cards
[14:14] <mrbronwstone3g> QUESTION:  Do you agree with then recent developoer ]]
[14:16] <mrbronwstone3g> QUESTION:  Do you agree with the recent developer critisms of OpenGL
[14:17] <fagan> mrbronwstone3g: really good question, id guess that they wouldn't have strong opinions about it :)
[14:17] <mrbronwstone3g> QUESTION:  Have there been discussions with Valve about getting steam running on mir?
[14:17] <alexmigf> Sound from Oliver is bad
[14:17] <NaveenLinux> QUESTION: Will MIR support eyecandy effects like Desktop Cube we have seen in Compiz? How does the effects converge accross mobile and desktop?
[14:18] <fagan> mrbronwstone3g: SDL2 games will run on Mir right now. The patches landed about 3 months ago if I remember correctly
[14:18] <fagan> mrbronwstone3g: so to answer your question a lot of games running right now will run on Mir right now too
[14:21] <mrbronwstone3g> QUESTION:  Could you see your oem partners making steam boxes based on Ubuntu rather than StemOs
[14:22] <kgunn> mrbronwstone3g: fagan ...there is one lingering feature wrt games/sdl... mouse coordinate warping, its on our todo list
[14:22] <mrbronwstone3g> QUESTION:  Has mir LLVM softpipe?
[14:22] <NaveenLinux> QUESTION: Will Ubuntu touch consume less power than Android?
[14:23] <mrbronwstone3g> Has been profiled on LLVM softpipe?
[14:23] <dshimer> QUESTION: I am just a non-technical desktop user. Is there any value provided by my continuing to click "send an error report" for the things that seem to crash every time I turn my computer on or should I just disable the error reporting?  I'm willing if it helps but it is annoying. Or What else should I do?
[14:23] <fagan> kgunn: Well its all a work in progress but my developer brain says when it runs thats a good sign
[14:24] <sdglhm> QUESTION: Does ubuntu touch drains less power than other Mobile OS
[14:24] <fagan> Im really excited though for Mir so thanks for the work for gaming already since id go mad without it
[14:24] <sdglhm> Oh seems Naveen already asked it :)
[14:25] <fagan> Oli: could you turn up the mic boost a little
[14:25] <cmdrjey> thanks for allowing me to listen in - gotta go to work
[14:26] <mdeslaur> nobody's actually made the _hardware_ yet
[14:27] <ogra_> should be possible to port
[14:27] <fagan> Well Motorola have prototypes I thought
[14:27] <lool> rickspencer3, olli: if it ends up running android, I guess it could be ported to run Ubuntu for phones too
[14:27] <ogra_> if android runs on it at a decent version you can always do a port
[14:27] <fagan> Errr well what ever the google part that they got of motorola is
[14:28] <kgunn> mrbronwstone3g: we are working on llvm integration atm
[14:29] <xnox> oh, i thought this is in a -plenary
[14:29] <fagan> Oooh its not actually part of google but they have some things going in the area
[14:29] <mdeslaur> they've made mock ups
[14:30] <ogra_> case only though, right ?
[14:30] <mdeslaur> I'm very sceptical it will amount to anything, but heck, I'm a pessimist :P
[14:31] <fagan> They set the release date for 2015 so they must have something done to be that optimistic
[14:31] <mdeslaur> if they made one of those 5 years ago, we'd all be stuck with a place to put a blackberry keyboard module
[14:31] <xnox> mdeslaur: i'm clearly missing context. What's being discussed? =)
[14:31] <mdeslaur> xnox: phonebloks
[14:32] <mdeslaur> xnox: or this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_ara
[14:32] <applefan> lol ubuntu are u kidding me ?
[14:32] <xnox> mdeslaur: that thing - lego for children of billionaires?! =)
[14:32] <applefan> :D
[14:32] <applefan> any apple fans ?
[14:33] <mrbronwstone3g> QUESTION:  Will there be any performance work on the software centre?
[14:33] <LendingAHand> Question: A little off-topic from the desktop, but will Canonical be making the source code for Ubuntu One available?
[14:33] <fagan> xnox: well it would potentially be cheaper than a regular phone because when you want to upgrade you would grab a piece and just slot it in
[14:33] <fagan> xnox: so instead of a new phone you get a new piece
[14:34] <mdeslaur> fagan: but that piece would cost more than the cost of manufacturing a glued together phone :P
[14:34]  * mdeslaur remains sceptical :P
[14:34] <xnox> fagan: economy of scale says that manufacturing blocks would end up more expensive.
[14:34] <fagan> Well it does allow for competition in upgrading the parts if it actually takes off
[14:34] <tvoss> o/
[14:35] <fagan> so on the optimistic side of me ill wait to see it take off before I decide if its bad or good
[14:35] <mdeslaur> fagan: which is exactly why no manufacturer would want to do that if they can't get their own proprietary connectors :P
[14:35] <ogra_> olli, you are hard to understand, can you turn up your mic a bit ?
[14:36] <fagan> mdeslaur: yeah that would be the fear with the thing. But since google are possibly pushing it they could make it work
[14:36]  * mdeslaur writes "microphone" on olli's xmas list
[14:36] <fagan> or at least that is what id guess
[14:36] <tvoss> mdeslaur, +1 :)
[14:36] <ogra_> ++
[14:37] <fagan> QUESTION: I posted on reddit so ill just post the link http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/27v9vm/ask_vp_of_engineering_and_director_of_unity_and/ci4r8ke
[14:38] <fagan> Some of it was already answered in part :)
[14:38] <tvoss> hey :)
[14:38] <tvoss> I'm around
[14:40] <satoris> SDL2 already supports Mir.
[14:40] <beuno> also, Civ5 on Steam, how is anyone working today?
[14:41] <beuno> *Steam for Linux
[14:41] <fagan> beuno: well it was working on WINE before :D
[14:41] <beuno> I'd rather give them money for making things work on Linux
[14:42] <sanju> sanjay
[14:43] <fagan> beuno: yeah native is just so much better. Thats why its so exciting that all these games are coming out now. Technically the only games im truly waiting on right now is CS:GO and SC2 the latter probably never going to happen
[14:43] <om26er> QUESTION: There isn't any feature development happening on software center, whats the future of it ?
[14:44] <fagan> om26er: they mentioned it at the start. They are doing the scope thing for Unity8 but the software center is pretty uncertain
[14:44] <Winael> With the all new things coming with UbuntuTouch (clickpackage, Mir, update images), will the interoperability with other distros still work ?
[14:44] <Winael> QUESTION: With the all new things coming with UbuntuTouch (clickpackage, Mir, update images), will the interoperability with other distros still work ?
[14:44] <om26er> fagan, oh, I came in a bit late. thx
[14:44] <Winael> (that's better with the keyword)
[14:45] <fagan> om26er: no problem they might answer in more depth anyway. It was just a passing comment
[14:48] <ogra_> rickspencer3, since split greeter landed it degraded massively
[14:49] <ogra_> (power use nearly doubled up)
[14:50] <ogra_> rickspencer3, colins tools will be shipped by default in the next image
[14:50] <ogra_> (just seeded them today)
[14:50] <fagan> Really want to get my hands on an Ubuntu phone
[14:53] <dshimer> Hearing that crash reports matter, and that there is a better system coming makes this whole session worth it.  Thanks for the session and for listening to and interacting with users.
[14:54] <fagan> thanks rickspencer3 and olli :D
[14:54] <beuno> yes we will make it available
[14:54] <beuno> no ETA yet
[14:55] <LendingAHand> Thank you
[14:57] <Z00Z00Z> Ubuntu 14 any plan to improve prrformance
[14:57] <ptidav38090> i'm happy
[14:58] <Z00Z00Z> can u share the procedure for installing Ubuntu touch on any tablet running android
[14:58] <cheesehead> Ubuntu 14 doesn't use cat-based technology
[14:58] <Z00Z00Z> can you think of dual OS tablet,allow us to boot ubuntu or android ?
[14:59] <rickspencer3> thanks everyone
[14:59] <rickspencer3> sorry to go late
[14:59] <Winael> Thx for your aswers.
[15:00] <mvo> thanks!
[15:00] <Winael> it's a little bit more clear for the interoperability of the legacies
[15:00] <Winael> thx
[15:03] <balloons> just a moment while we setup everyone
[15:06] <balloons> looks like you are live bregma :-)
[15:16] <mhall119> some Core Apps already have preliminary keyboard navigation/shortcuts added
[15:22] <balloons> bregma, how can we as users / testers play with unity8 and in particular, how can we report problems we find?
[15:22] <mhall119> QUESTION: I heard some people having trouble running the Ubuntu Next ISO after it was released, what hardware do you know that it works on?  Can I run it in Virtualbox or VMware?
[15:22] <ivsra> there would be desktop for android cell phones?
[15:23] <mhall119> Does the Unity 8 preview session or ISO support installing Click apps from the new app store?
[15:23] <mhall119> QUESTION: Does the Unity 8 preview session or ISO support installing Click apps from the new app store?
[15:24] <seb128> mhall119, the current iso doesn't have autologin enabled (need a fix to land) so it can't be used yet
[15:24] <seb128> the iso is not going to boot on a VM since Mir doesn't work there
[15:25] <seb128> what bregma is saying ;-)
[15:26] <seb128> mhall119, bregma: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/development-1406-click-ftd has the details
[15:26] <mhall119> thanks seb128
[15:26] <seb128> details for clicks on desktop
[15:26] <seb128> we had it working with mvo
[15:26] <mhall119> QUESTION: Is there a list of features yet that are going ot be added to Unity 8 for desktop use? And if so, where can it be viewed?
[15:26] <seb128> it mostly require some bugfixes to land
[15:28] <mhall119> QUESTION: How can I get started contributing to Unity 8?
[15:28]  * mhall119 knows the answer, but wants it on video :)
[15:29] <mhall119> the shell specifically
[15:29] <seb128> mhall119, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1410-unity-ui-shell has details on the Unity8 planned work
[15:29] <seb128> it includes things like https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1410-unity-ui-desktop-wm
[15:29] <mhall119> thanks again seb128 :)
[15:29] <seb128> yw
[15:29] <mhall119> you should be on the hangout
[15:30] <mhall119> ok, http://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/development/unity8/ then for developing on the shell itself
[15:30] <mhall119> and #ubuntu-unity on IRC
[15:30] <seb128> mhall119, the session was baged as "presentation" I though those were slides/somebody doing a talk rather than a discussion ... next time ;-)
[15:31] <mhall119> QUESTION: Do you know if Unity 8 will support different "modes" on different screens in a dual-monitor type setup?
[15:31] <mhall119> for example, if I connect a table to a monitor, will it be desktop on the monitor and tablet mode on the tablet?
[15:31] <mrbrownstone3g> QUESTION:  Are there any solutions being developed to allow mixed click/deb environments
[15:31] <belkinsa> seb128, I was confused on that too.  Maybe you can give feedback after the UOS when the survey comes.
[15:32] <seb128> belkinsa, yeah, I plan to
[15:32]  * belkinsa gives a double thumbs up to seb128
[15:32] <seb128> ;-)
[15:33] <mrbrownstone3g> QUESTION:  Will there be any paper cut like bugs fixed in unity 7
[15:35] <mrbrownstone3g> QUESTION:  Will the click store have a unity 7 client?
[15:36] <yanpas> Q:Will unity 8 on desktop be so keyboard-mouse oriented as Cinnamon?
[15:36] <mhall119> mrbrownstone3g: not likely, unity 7 doesn't support isolation that click apps require to be trusted
[15:36] <guester> what are the login and password for the iso? It asks for both on the greeter
[15:37] <mhall119> bregma: your poor cat desperately needs your attention ;)
[15:37] <mrbrownstone3g> QUESTION:  What release of GTK will the nxt unity 7 releases be targeting?
[15:38] <seb128> hum
[15:38] <seb128> what do you mean there?
[15:38] <seb128> Unity7 and GTK are not tightly coupled
[15:39] <seb128> we landed GTK 3.12 in utopic, that's the version we plan to ship this cycle
[15:39] <mrbrownstone3g> thnxs seb
[15:39] <dshimer> QUESTION: If a big proprietary system decided to thow a billion dollars at converging and made it happen in 12 months would it be a good thing or a bad thing?  For example good would be making hardware and software ecosystems realize it is a real thing, bad would be passing Ubuntu and making it less relevant. Do you see this as a possibility?
[15:39] <seb128> but you can build unity on older GTK versions
[15:39] <mrbrownstone3g> I thought unity 7 used a gtk like toolkit
[15:39] <mhall119> dshimer: I don't think you can get there faster with more money
[15:40] <mhall119> mrbrownstone3g: I think he means that Unity 7 isn't very dependent on specific Gtk versions
[15:41] <mhall119> much of Unity 7 isn't Gtk, it's Nux
[15:41] <mrbrownstone3g> thanks for clearing that up mhall
[15:41] <guester> QUESTION what are the login and password for the iso? It asks for both on the greeter
[15:42] <seb128> there are none, that's a bug
[15:42] <mhall119> seb128: what is the default username?
[15:42] <seb128> we have a fix queued, but it's blocked on the platform-api work to land
[15:43] <seb128> mhall119, I need to boot the iso to try again, you can go to a vt to see
[15:43] <seb128> ubuntu-desktop-next iirc
[15:43] <Laney> come back in a few days
[15:43] <Laney> I'm going to mail when we get something which works
[15:43] <Laney> sorry for the delays
[15:43] <guester> k is there a mailing list i can join?
[15:43] <Laney> it'll go to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:43] <mhall119> the Ubuntu Next ISO was just published for the first time yesterday wasn't it?
[15:44] <Laney> it's been building for a couple of weeks
[15:44] <yanpas> QUESTION Will unity 8 on desktop be so keyboard-mouse oriented as Cinnamon? Dash like Spotlight in OSX Yosemithe for example
[15:44]  * mhall119 got all his questions out
[15:45] <Laney> guester: sign up here https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
[15:45] <guester> just did ;-)
[15:45] <mrbrownstone3g> Unity is more of a semantick desktop and cinemon is a more wimp like interface
[15:45] <Laney> okay
[15:47] <mhall119> thanks bregma!
[15:47] <seb128> you can also ask questions any time on #ubuntu-desktop #ubuntu-touch or #ubuntu-unity
[15:47]  * bregma is off to tame his cat
[15:47] <seb128> bregma, thanks! (to you and to the cat)
[15:47] <seb128> shame the cat was not on the video
[15:48] <bregma> just be thankful the dog didn't start up too
[15:50] <balloons> awesome, thanks bregma
[15:50] <balloons> I thought your cat was a small child for a bit :-)
[15:52] <jutaro7> QUESTION: Will compiz be part of the new Mir architecture? (Compiz was always unstable for me).
[15:54] <guester> QUESTION should we switch to Arch in the meantime? ;-)
[15:54] <seb128> guester, why would you want to do that?
[15:54] <belkinsa> How will the next session run?
[15:54] <seb128> jutaro7, no, no compiz in unity8
[15:55] <guester> ^^ seb128 you obviously didn't get the pun ;-)
[15:55] <seb128> guester, :p
[15:55] <seb128> belkinsa: not sure, check with Trevinho, I think he's the one running it
[15:56] <Trevinho> seb128: I've not the powers I think
[15:56] <seb128> Trevinho, to host?
[15:56] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah
[15:56] <belkinsa> Trevinho, how this session run? Will people be able to join the Hangout?
[15:56] <balloons> Trevinho, you have the power ;-)
[15:56] <seb128> Trevinho, did you try to start one?
[15:56] <balloons> see my pm
[15:56] <Trevinho> belkinsa: I'll show some things sharing my screen, then anyone can join if you want
[15:57] <belkinsa> Alright, I think that might be pointless unless you allow them to talk on how they use Unity.
[15:58] <seb128> belkinsa, well, for some definition of "pointless", some users don't know about keyboard navigation, or being about to middle click or scroll over the launcher
[15:59] <belkinsa> No, I'm talking about that, I'm talking about pointless as being in a Hangout and not doing anything but listening and not talking about the topic.
[16:02] <mhall119> Trevinho: balloons: are you guys working on the hangout setup?
[16:02] <Trevinho> mhall119: yes, all done
[16:03] <Trevinho> but if the hangouts preview is right I'm like invisible... weird it worked before -_-
[16:03] <belkinsa> I see it, Trevinho
[16:03] <belkinsa> But that join link goes the page not the Hangout it self
[16:04] <belkinsa> I see you
[16:04] <mhall119> balloons: ^^ can you fix or remove the Hangout URL from the session?
[16:04] <Trevinho> sorry hangout has some trobule with me apperently
[16:04] <belkinsa> But yeah, the preview is not working
[16:04] <balloons> looking at it
[16:05] <mhall119> Trevinho: you can try without camera if it's a bandwidth problem
[16:05] <Trevinho> no it should work
[16:05] <balloons> hangout link is good
[16:05] <balloons> sorry.. youtube link is good, hangout link isn't correct
[16:05] <belkinsa> But we need a new one for both now
[16:06] <Trevinho> uff, I've stopped the live, but i can't get back.. .need I to create a new one
[16:06] <mhall119> Trevinho: yes
[16:07] <mhall119> balloons: you might need to run it if he's having network issues
[16:07] <mhall119> so that we don't lose it again
[16:07] <balloons> already on it
[16:07] <mhall119> thanks man :)
[16:07] <balloons> Trevinho, I will invite you
[16:07] <Trevinho> in theory it was working well, when trying normal hangouts before
[16:07] <Trevinho> uff
[16:07] <mhall119> everybody else will need to refresh the page when the new video link is added, it won't auto-update
[16:07] <balloons> anyone, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfFCR4mWWtEqOJSqdmqFq0fQh2lpkRroFv9oprL4vvTDQrvQw?authuser=1&hl=en
[16:08] <balloons> everything should be good...
[16:08] <balloons> Trevinho, if you can join https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfFCR4mWWtEqOJSqdmqFq0fQh2lpkRroFv9oprL4vvTDQrvQw?authuser=1&hl=en
[16:09] <nuclearbob> balloons, what if we just want to watch?
[16:09] <mhall119> nuclearbob: then just watch
[16:09] <nuclearbob> where do we get the new link?
[16:09] <mhall119> refresh the page to get the correct video feed though
[16:09] <nuclearbob> oh
[16:09] <nuclearbob> cool, thanks
[16:09] <balloons> making sure network is good before we start
[16:09] <balloons> just a sec ;-)
[16:11] <balloons> poor Trevinho and his internet
[16:11] <mhall119> we should buy him a new internet, we can expense that right?
[16:12] <mhall119> we can re-schedule this for tomorrow if it's just not going to work out today
[16:12] <balloons> we should be live
[16:13] <rpadovani> balloons, there is the 'starting soon' screen right now
[16:13] <rpadovani> balloons, ok, you' re live :D
[16:13] <balloons> rpadovani, et la.. let me know how this looks / works
[16:13] <mhall119> rpadovani: there's a delay before we get the feed
[16:14] <ahayzen> \o/ it is working balloons
[16:14] <rpadovani> mhall119, yeah I know :-)
[16:20] <mhall119> oh, I didn't know you could get the quicklist that way
[16:20]  * mhall119 learned something new
[16:24] <mhall119> QUESTION: How does Unity know what apps can recieve the file?
[16:27] <mhall119> oooh, nice
[16:33] <mhall119> QUESTION: Are there any keyboard shortcuts for indicators?
[16:34] <mhall119> QUESTION: Also, you should show off the features of alt+tab and the difference with alt+~
[16:45] <balloons> ohh calc: interesting
[16:45] <mhall119> Trevinho: the overlay you have that shows what keys you press is very handy, what is it?
[16:51] <balloons> mhall119, trying to squeeze in your questions, but :-)
[16:51] <mhall119> balloons: if he doesn't get to them it's okay, there's been a lot of good stuff this session
[16:53] <balloons> lol, I've never used the mouse in the switcher
[16:53] <balloons> who knew!
[16:54] <bregma> multi-touch gestures also work in the switcher
[16:54] <bregma> (3-finger tap-and-swipe)
[16:54] <mhall119> bregma: nice!
[16:55] <balloons> bregma, and all this is in unity8 right? ::wink::
[16:55] <bregma> soon....
[16:56]  * mhall119 needs to talk to somebody about my fingerprint reader not working well with the new lock screen
[16:58] <balloons> Trevinho, that was really great
[16:59] <mhall119> yes it was, thanks Trevinho
[16:59] <seb128> Trevinho, thanks for the nice session!
[17:00] <Trevinho> thanks, O hope things have been visible... I'll post few notes on the pad
[17:04] <Trevinho> mhall119: key-mon, with ubuntu theme :)
[17:04] <Trevinho> Other stuff that was harer to say, and maybe nicer to read http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7629507/
[17:05] <mhall119> thanks Trevinho
[17:20] <philoticthread> am i supposed to post questions in here?
[17:25] <philoticthread> i want to ask a question
[17:25] <philoticthread> hello?
[17:25] <belkinsa> Yes, you may.
[17:25] <philoticthread> thanks :)
[17:25] <belkinsa> But it's lunch time.
[17:26] <philoticthread> ok never mind then...
[17:53] <amjjawad> Hi everyone, link is here: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYeH60T4l8z1HtWoeBNVa8JsP3yc6ItHCsP_Qw2IP3ClDod6GQ
[17:54] <gQuigs> hi startubuntu.. I'm double booked for this hour, but wanted to mention the site I created: amisupported.com
[17:54] <gQuigs> I would love help/ making it an official part of startubuntu
[17:54] <amjjawad> Hi everyone, link is here: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYeH60T4l8z1HtWoeBNVa8JsP3yc6ItHCsP_Qw2IP3ClDod6GQ
[17:54] <gQuigs> an alternative to: http://amirunningxp.com/
[17:55] <amjjawad> gQuigs: we can talk later maybe after the session :)
[17:55] <amjjawad> if you could please join StartUbuntu and we can talk on the mailing list or feel free to contact me :)
[17:55] <amjjawad> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StartUbuntu
[17:56] <gQuigs> amjjawad: sure, will do, thanks :)
[17:56] <amjjawad> you most welcome :)
[17:56] <amjjawad> balloons: you there?
[17:56] <balloons> amjjawad, hey looks like you are setup
[17:56] <balloons> awesome
[17:56] <amjjawad> hehe
[17:57] <amjjawad> yep, I'm done before 30 mins :D
[17:58] <amjjawad> 2  mins to go ...
[17:59] <amjjawad> my presentation last night was a mess so I did a better one tonight - hopefully ...
[17:59] <amjjawad> okay, 1 min to go
[17:59] <amjjawad> here is the link again: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYeH60T4l8z1HtWoeBNVa8JsP3yc6ItHCsP_Qw2IP3ClDod6GQ
[18:00] <amjjawad> balloons: are you joining?
[18:01] <amjjawad> Okay, I guess I will start and you guys could join then :)
[18:02] <balloons> yep, I'm watching ;-)
[18:03] <amjjawad> balloons: are you seeing me?
[18:03] <amjjawad> hearing me?
[18:03] <balloons> amjjawad, yep
[18:03] <toddcnb> yes and yes
[18:03] <amjjawad> ok
[18:04] <amjjawad> can you see the screen?
[18:04] <toddcnb> yes
[18:05] <balloons> amjjawad, yep we see the presentation
[18:05] <balloons> there is delay so it takes a bit for you to see our response
[18:08] <jnxd> I can
[18:08] <balloons> interesting history
[18:16] <Golden> a
[18:19] <eps> Perhaps http://start.ubuntu.com/ needs a link for "Are you looking for StartUbuntu?"
[18:21] <dshimer> QUESTION: Is StartUbuntu meant to be primarily for education, advocacy, or support?
[18:24] <toddcnb> instasllfests ++++
[18:27] <eps> QUESTION: How do you feel (good/bad/indifferent) about installing an XP lookalike theme for switchers? e.g. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/04/windows-xp-theme-lubuntu
[18:29] <eps> Yes, a Windows XP theme for a Linux system.
[18:30] <dshimer> QUESTION: If you are trying to do everything, would it be better to split the website into sections for those who need the information about switching, and those who want to provide the information?  For example it looks like I could find good information about promoting Ubuntu, but I would have a hard time pointing a friend to a specific page that
[18:30] <dshimer>  would help them decide.
[18:31] <toddcnb> eps we run 2-3 installfests per month but fond better luck using stock theme a windows theme made them try to use it like windows
[18:37] <Kapanda> Question: Must windows users dont like to use terminal to install applications what can we suggest to make things easier because wine does not run certain windows application.
[18:40] <dshimer> Kapanda: I really like PlayOnLinux as a method of managing WINE applications.  First I do it for them, then once they are a little more experienced I teach them how to use it.
[18:42] <toddcnb> I avoid wine/windows if at all possible better to learn linux apps than cause more trouble
[18:45] <Kapanda> Thanks Dshimer, I also find PlayOnLinux works wonders. But there is a problem I discovered when you connect a Graphics card to Ubuntu it gives you a black screen.
[18:48] <dshimer> I agree completely with avoiding wine, I was just expressing the opinion that when I come across a person who has one program that is a deal breaker, I would rather help them get it running instead of telling them that can't use Linux.
[18:48] <amjjawad> balloons: I feel bad I'm talking to myself :(
[18:49] <toddcnb> thank you amjjawad
[18:49] <balloons> amjjawad, sorry I was listening to you and others
[18:49] <dshimer> amjjawad: you aren't, it was very helpful and informative, I feel like I need to dig into it and feel like many questions will come up and be answered on the site.  Great project
[18:49] <amjjawad> balloons: no problem
[18:50] <balloons> amjjawad, but yes.. it's weird after an hour isn't it?
[18:50] <amjjawad> I miss last night session
[18:51] <amjjawad> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad
[18:51] <amjjawad> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StartUbuntu/
[18:51] <balloons> awesome.. thanks amjjawad for the session
[18:52] <eps> Thank you!
[18:52] <amjjawad> you most welcome
[18:53] <amjjawad> I thought there will be so many people tonight
[18:53] <balloons> sometimes sessions overlap.. it's tough
[18:53] <amjjawad> hope the presentation was good?
[18:53] <balloons> anyways, video makes it easy to share
[18:54] <balloons> so send out the links :-)
[18:54] <amjjawad> I feel sad though but if that was helpful and useful session that that could make me better :D
[18:54] <amjjawad> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUMv3hmEr3s
[18:56] <balloons> amjjawad, no reason to feel sad!
[18:56] <amjjawad> balloons: ok :D
[18:57] <amjjawad> balloons: I have something to show you
[18:57] <amjjawad> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming/+spec/hr-sub-team
[18:57] <balloons> I linked to reddit
[18:57] <balloons> amjjawad, interesting.. I'm curious to see how that works out
[18:57] <amjjawad> yep, no one yet replied from my time - not sure why :D
[18:58] <balloons> I need to mail some of the other flavors and pitch the idea
[18:58] <amjjawad> but I will try to use my magic and convince them hehe
[18:58] <balloons> perhaps you could chime in
[18:58] <amjjawad> sure and you always have me in case you need anything
[19:03] <amjjawad> balloons: I have a very bad headache and I didn't wish to skip this session at all but now, I feel so tired .. anything else you need before I go?
[19:03] <amjjawad> if you need anything about the sessions or the HR idea, please let me know
[19:04] <amjjawad> I guess I will shut down and be ready to bed :)
[19:05] <amjjawad> guess you're busy so cya and thanks for everything
[19:10] <Renard> Am I late?
[19:11] <balloons> Renard, for the last session on startubuntu?
[19:11] <balloons> if so, yes
[19:11] <Renard> for https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH6dC6SeS4Y
[19:11] <balloons> Renard, ohh yes very late :-) feel free to watch the video!
[19:11] <Renard> Oh. :p
[19:45] <racarr_> You are live :)


[03:12] <mhall119> phew
[03:12] <mhall119> just blogged for the first time in ages
[03:12] <mhall119> cjohnston: nigelb: you guys might be interested: http://family.ubuntu-fl.org/mhall/fun-with-django-meta-classes-and-dynamic-models/
[03:13] <mhall119> Daviey too ^^
[03:16]  * nigelb hugs mhall119 :)
[07:38] <dholbach> good morning
[10:33] <Daviey> mhall119. nice!
[12:56] <mhall119> morning
[12:58] <dholbach> hi mhall119
[12:58] <mhall119> dholbach: did you see my latest blog post?
[12:58] <dholbach> yes I did
[12:58] <dholbach> great work
[12:59] <mhall119> I'm hoping it'll be open sourced by summer
[12:59] <dholbach> nice
[13:04]  * mhall119 looks for some breakfast
[13:04] <nigelb> morning mhall119
[13:08] <mhall119> morning nigelb
[14:35] <cjohnston> mornin
[14:40] <mhall119> hey cjohnston
[15:06] <cjohnston> hey mhall119
[23:37] <effie_jayx> Hello, anyone?
[23:38] <_marx_> yo
[23:38] <_marx_> just hi
[23:38] <effie_jayx> :)
[23:39] <_marx_> because i'm not on this team or up to speed
[23:39] <effie_jayx> we just broke a 8 hour and 39 minute streak of Joins and Parts :)
[23:39] <_marx_> xclnt
[23:40] <effie_jayx> it's good to do a test for echo every once in a while
[23:53] <mhall119> hey effie_jayx