[00:01] <Jordan_U> -16 is borked for me
[00:05] <VanDyke> -15 and -16 didnt work for me
[00:05] <Sergeant_Pony> 16 works for me except for a few things
[00:06] <VanDyke> mostly sound and video here
[00:06] <Sergeant_Pony> jockey-gtk
[00:06] <Sergeant_Pony> and a few minor sound issues.. that I can fix myself
[00:09] <Townk> Hi guys, I'm testing Hardy and when I try to share a directory, nautilus return me the following message: "'net usershare' returned error 255: net usershare: cannot open usershare directory /var/lib/samba/usershares. Error Permission denied"
[00:09] <Townk> I check my user and it has the sambashare group
[00:10] <Townk> I also check the /var/lib/samba/usershare directory and its mode is: drwxrwx--T
[00:10] <Townk> anyone knows how to fix this or even if this is a bug that must be reported?
[00:13] <saminthemiddle> hey you guys
[00:13] <Dr_willis> 0_O
[00:15] <saminthemiddle> Does anyone know if something has happened with Hardy's power saving? I'm "sipping" 20W on my laptop which used to only need 12W under Ubuntu 7
[00:15] <daekdroom> saminthemiddle: What happened to Hardy is that it uses a realtime kernel now.
[00:16] <saminthemiddle> daekdroom: no tickless?
[00:16] <daekdroom> saminthemiddle: No tickless. You've to compile a kernel.
[00:16] <daekdroom> Kernel of 7.10 used 250hz, Ubuntu 8.0 4 uses 1000hz (highest value possible).
[00:16] <saminthemiddle> daekdroom: okay, thanks. Know why they abandoned tickless?
[00:17] <saminthemiddle> daekdroom: I feel that ubuntu devs don't really care much about laptop users...
[00:17] <daekdroom> saminthemiddle: Actually I don't get what you're saying. but a realtime kernel gives better performance because a process can gain hardware power faster.
[00:17] <daekdroom> Well. Ubuntu server uses a 100hz kernel. You might not like it, anyway.
[00:18] <daekdroom> or 250hz, I don't remember.
[00:18] <saminthemiddle> daekdroom: well, almost 100% more power draw means your battery lasts half as long, which is a major problem on laptops
[00:19] <daekdroom> saminthemiddle: truth. I think there might be some tutorials of how to compile a 250hz kernel. Try to google it.
[00:20] <Pici> I'd try tweaking with the help of powertop before recompiling the kernel personally.
[00:20] <daekdroom> Pici: It's not a powermanager problem.
[00:20] <daekdroom> It's the kernel.
[00:20] <saminthemiddle> daekdroom: oh, that's not a problem, I'm quite experienced with kernel compiling. It's just that I like to use the default when possible
[00:20] <Pici> daekdroom: I understand.
[00:23] <weirdbro> Ubuntu on Wubi somehow changed my windows partition type to 81
[00:23] <weirdbro> so now I can't boot on windows
[00:23] <saminthemiddle> daekdroom: ood, I remember tickless on AMD64 being a big feature highlight for Hardy
[00:23] <weirdbro> and for some reason, I can't get the livecd ti boot
[00:23] <weirdbro> so I can't fix the partitions
[00:24] <saminthemiddle> weirdbro, is that any liveCD or just the hardy live CD?
[00:24] <weirdbro> hardy
[00:24] <weirdbro> First I did a wubi livecd test
[00:24] <weirdbro> which added a booter to get it to boot the cd
[00:24] <weirdbro> then I booted back into windows
[00:24] <saminthemiddle> weirdbro, okay, try something like Puppy Linux as a live CD. Also, remember that changing the partition type often causes the partition to get overwritten :-(
[00:26] <weirdbro> But the weirdest part is
[00:26] <weirdbro> its obviously still ntfs
[00:27] <weirdbro> because wubi is working
[00:27] <weirdbro> and also, there's 2 boot loaders
[00:27] <macogw> formatting does not overwrite a partition
[00:28] <weirdbro> I can't get the livecd to run again
[00:28] <macogw> it just erases the pointers to the data and rewrites the start of the partition
[00:28] <weirdbro> because the bootloaders are weird now
[00:28] <macogw> if grub knows the exact location of the wubi disk image, it doesnt matter that the partition it's on is no longer ntfs
[00:28] <weirdbro> but it must think its ntfs, because it can find the wubi file
[00:28] <weirdbro> so I need to convince windows its still ntfs also
[00:28] <macogw> why does it need to think its ntfs/
[00:28] <macogw> *?
[00:28] <macogw> think of pointers in C
[00:29] <weirdbro> because thats the problem
[00:29] <weirdbro> It gives an error
[00:29] <macogw> the NTFS partition has a pointer to a location on the disk
[00:29] <weirdbro> saying my partition type is 83
[00:29] <weirdbro> or 81
[00:29] <macogw> If GRUB also has a pointer to that same location and NTFS's pointer goes away...so what?  you still know where it is because GRUB still has the pointer
[00:29] <weirdbro> I need to figure out what that means
[00:29] <macogw> its like tying two strings to one balloon
[00:30] <macogw> you let go of one string (the NTFS pointer) but still have the other string (the bootloader one), you dont lose the balloon, right?
[00:30] <macogw> i'm guessing that's how the bootloader can still find Wubi
[00:30] <saminthemiddle> daekdroom: I'm down to 14 watts again w/o doing anything. Maybe it was my meter that was screwy.
[00:31] <weirdbro> I know
[00:31] <weirdbro> but what do I do to solve it?
[00:31] <beata> I'm running into difficulty setting the console font: setupcon asks me to install kbd, but that package is not instable.
[00:31] <weirdbro> I can't even get livecds to boot
[00:31] <daekdroom> saminthemiddle: People say that the battery cycletime can go down by more than half
[00:32] <weirdbro> is there any way to modify the master boot record from linux while using that disk?
[00:32] <saminthemiddle> daekdroom: what do you mean?
[00:32] <macogw> weirdbro: cant answer that... umm pop the drive in as slave to another computer and copy the disk image, then reinstall windows?
[00:32] <weirdbro> christ, I don't know how to do that
[00:32] <daekdroom> saminthemiddle: Let's say in ubuntu 7.10 your battery lasts 3 hours. In theory it can go down to less than 1 and half in 8.04
[00:33] <macogw> and thats just kinda a guess
[00:33] <daekdroom> Time to restart X to test something.
[00:33] <saminthemiddle> wow, that's pretty sad...
[00:34] <saminthemiddle> okay guys, I'm going to go ahead and start messing with my wifi TX power, if I suddenly log out it's because I dropped my connection ;-)
[00:35] <zcat[1]> Is there going to be an RC soon or do I just keep using beta?
[00:36] <Dr_willis> you plan on reinstalling the rc once its released? or just upgrade?
[00:36] <zcat[1]> I want to do a fresh install
[00:36] <beata> Hmm about TX power?
[00:36] <saminthemiddle> beata: the transmitter power on my wifi card
[00:36] <IndyGunFreak> zcat[1]: lol, why let that stop you?..lol
[00:36] <zcat[1]> well, fresh install on one box, upgrade from gutsy on another
[00:36] <beata> What sort of messing, exactly?
[00:37] <IndyGunFreak> zcat[1]: i'm just kidding
[00:37] <zcat[1]> well, if there's an RC due, I can avoid all those updates ..
[00:37] <saminthemiddle> beata: if you are close to the base station you can drop the TX power w/o loosing a connection. I just dropped my power consumption by over 1.5 watts by lowing my power from 16(somethings) to 10(somethings)
[00:37] <IndyGunFreak> yeah.
[00:37] <zcat[1]> there's about 500M of updates from the beta already, I think
[00:37] <beata> Oh right.
[00:38] <saminthemiddle> beata: echo 10 | sudo tee /sys/bus/pci/drivers/*/tx_power
[00:38] <zcat[1]> I should do a fresh install on the lappy too.. It's a bit messed up with testing all kinds of crap
[00:38] <beata> Know about setting the console font?
[00:39] <zcat[1]> How's the situation with blind installs? I see orca works pretty solid (FINALLY!!), I've got a blind friend interested. I want him to be doing his own installs too.
[00:49] <saminthemiddle> arg, well it's official: Hardy hasn't fixed the annoying Gnome Power Manager bug that makes it mess with your screen brightness
[00:49] <alastair_> yres
[00:49] <alastair_> er
[00:49] <alastair_> yet
[00:50] <vita_> hey does any one know why I am getting this http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotupdatemanagerfl6.png
[00:50] <vita_> here is my source.list also http://pastie.caboo.se/179691
[00:51] <saminthemiddle> vita_ I get that too
[00:52] <Sergeant_Pony> I got that too and did a partial upgrade
[00:52] <saminthemiddle> vita_ Hardy *is* a pre-release version of Ubuntu
[00:53] <vita_> saminthemiddle: so when will that go away
[00:53] <vita_> or should I just do the update
[00:53] <saminthemiddle> vita_ I guess when bullet no. 4 stops being in effect when Hardy becomes stable
[00:53] <saminthemiddle> vita_ I would do the update
[00:53] <vita_> saminthemiddle: is there any way to role back a update
[00:55] <alastair_> I broke it!
[00:55] <swuboo> Does anyone know offhand how to calculate the correct DPI for a monitor?  My fonts are looking godawful in places.
[00:55] <alastair_> ok I fixed it again, crisis averted
[00:56] <saminthemiddle> alastair_: what did you break?
[00:56] <alastair_> terminal
[00:56] <saminthemiddle> alastair_: :-)
[00:56] <alastair_> I turned off "use system fixed width font" in current profile edit thingy
[00:56] <alastair_> And it closed all my terminals
[00:56] <saminthemiddle> swuboo: the hardware specs that came with your computer?
[00:57] <vita_> saminthemiddle: so this thursday it should be fine right?
[00:57] <alastair_> Then if I went back into the editor it just crashed the terminal over again, but I could edit it by going edit>profiles>default
[00:58] <swuboo> saminthemiddle:  You mean Viewsonic's entirely unhelpful brochure?
[00:58] <Jordan_U> swuboo, Well, you could get the real DPI of the monitor by taking horizontal resolution in pixels and dividing it by the length in inches
[00:58] <swuboo> Jordan:  Ah, so the horizontal is the correct value to use?  I tried that, but got an entirely different result when I tried it vertically.
[00:59] <Jordan_U> swuboo, Not sure if that is what will give the 'best' result though
[00:59] <saminthemiddle> vita_ maybe: I'm going to reinstall thursday anyway
[00:59] <saminthemiddle> swuboo: ha, yeah, that thing
[00:59] <Jordan_U> swuboo, They should both be the same, unless you don't have square pixels
[01:00] <vita_> either am I, going to give it some time to level out
[01:00] <saminthemiddle> swuboo: also, you might want to change the fond rendering smoothing to "Subpixel" rather than none or grayscale
[01:00] <swuboo> Jordan_U:  1680/17.1 gives 98.2; 1050/10.1 gives 103.96.  The discrepancy is actually why I was asking this.
[01:00] <swuboo> Perhaps I simply do have rectangular pixels.
[01:01] <swuboo> saminthemiddle:  Yeah, I have done that.  I've also tinkered with the other settings, like subpixel order.  Everything was great until Hardy.
[01:01] <saminthemiddle> swuboo: well, if you find out how, I'm all ears!
[01:02] <swuboo> If I find a solution, I shall certainly share it.
[01:02] <swuboo> It's mostly fonts inside of applications that are problematic---the system fonts themselves are rendering quite nicely.
[01:03] <saminthemiddle> swuboo: MS fonts, perchance?
[01:03] <swuboo> But, of course, changes to the system font settings affect applications.  So I'm not sure why only the latter are wonky.
[01:03] <Jordan_U> swuboo, Are you sure that you are using the correct resolution for your monitor?
[01:03] <saminthemiddle> Jordan_U, that's what he has been querying about ;-)
[01:03] <swuboo> Jordan_U:  Positive.  It's the native resolution.
[01:04] <swuboo> saminthemiddle:  Firefox, in particular.
[01:04] <saminthemiddle> swuboo: firefox fonts are all screwed up
[01:04] <icanhasadmin> !paste
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[01:04] <saminthemiddle> swuboo: make sure that you let websites set their own fonts or else they render funky too
[01:05] <aguitel> how install emerald themes  in hardy ?
[01:05] <swuboo> saminthemiddle:  I have it set like that, but it doesn't really help.  Fonts come out tiny and illegible, and then if I blow them up until they're readable, the formatting goes to Hell.
[01:05] <MFen> are there any apps in hardy capable of opening a .fla file?
[01:05] <DanaG> weirdbro: still having partition issues?
[01:05] <DanaG> Can you boot Linux on the thing?
[01:05] <saminthemiddle> MFen: what's an .fla file?
[01:05] <x1250> aguitel: installing emerald first, the system -> prefs -> emerald
[01:05] <MFen> saminthemiddle: flash source
[01:05] <MFen> saminthemiddle: but it ain't text. :-(
[01:06] <DanaG> Try installing TestDisk (it's a package) and running it on the drive.
[01:06] <saminthemiddle> MFen: vim and emacs will open anything ;-) so will ted.
[01:06] <MFen> saminthemiddle: i have to edit one to embed a font in it, for sifr (a font container for the web)
[01:06] <aguitel> x1250: there is not themes in the manager
[01:06] <Jordan_U> swuboo, If the fonts show up to small decease the DPI, don't increase the font size
[01:06] <MFen> saminthemiddle: that doesn't help much
[01:06] <DanaG> Actually, better advice:
[01:06] <x1250> aguitel: gnome-look.org
[01:06] <esox> Hi, cant start puredata anymore, it finishes in a process that cant be interrupted
[01:06] <saminthemiddle> MFen: ;-) just reminding you
[01:06] <DanaG> Make sure the dpi is correct.
[01:06] <DanaG> Then change font size.
[01:06] <aguitel> x1250: manualy
[01:06] <swuboo> Jordan_U:  That's why I was asking about the correct way to determine the appropriate DPI setting.
[01:06] <MFen> saminthemiddle: what do you think was the first thing i tried? :)
[01:07] <DanaG> google for "javascript dpi"
[01:07] <presto1> hey guys i just installed 8.04 beta and was updating but was informed that i could only do a partial upgrade apparently somethings could not be upgraded is this kosher
[01:07] <presto1> is this in otherwords just part of the beta process or is something wrong
[01:07] <saminthemiddle> MFen: you could probably use Wine with the Flash editing whatever
[01:07] <MFen> presto1: it means some updates were made (placed on update servers), but things they depend on have not yet arrived
[01:07] <MFen> saminthemiddle: yeah, meh.
[01:08] <esox> saminthemiddle: wine do not work for me
[01:08] <swuboo> DanaG:  Okay, that gives me a result of 99.06.  I'll try that.
[01:08] <DanaG> Try 99 or 100.
[01:08] <swuboo> Dramatic difference, let's see if it helps anything.
[01:09] <saminthemiddle> MFen, esox: there's always virtualization
[01:09] <presto1> ok mfen i feel better ive used linux for almost a year and this is my 1st beta and im excited becuase hardy unlike gutsy seems to install and run well
[01:09] <presto1> for me
[01:09] <MFen> saminthemiddle: well, the flash editing software i'm aware of is made by adobe, and is very expensive
[01:09] <MFen> i'm extremely disinclined to purchase it for a 30-second edit
[01:10] <MFen> regardless of what i'm running it in
[01:10] <esox> saminthemiddle: I mean wine returns  errors even for winecfg
[01:10] <swuboo> Alright, 99 DPI is a dramatic improvement, even in Firefox.
[01:10] <DanaG> What was it set to before?
[01:10] <swuboo> DanaG: 96.
[01:11] <swuboo> I'll have to shrink the size a little bit, since it's now too big, but at least they're rendering properly.
[01:11] <esox> presto1: can you try something for me ?
[01:11] <presto1> what is it esox?
[01:11] <esox> presto1: did you install ubuntu studio sound apps ?
[01:12] <presto1> i didnt sorry
[01:12] <presto1> just the plain ubuntu cd
[01:12] <esox> presto1: ok, too bad. Do someone have puredata installed on hardy N?
[01:13] <DanaG> That is silly for people to always say "set it to 96!  96 is the answer to life, the universe, and everything!"
[01:13] <DanaG> Actually, The Answer is 42.
[01:13] <presto1> so mfen what happened with the partial upgrade for me is perfectly normal then?
[01:14] <DanaG> Somebody should add a link to this page for a !dpi factoid:
[01:14] <DanaG> http://members.ping.de/~sven/dpi.html
[01:14] <MFen> presto1: yeah, the packages it can't upgrade will be upgradable later
[01:15] <esox> presto1: could you install puredata from synaptic and try to launch it ? its a small program
[01:16] <DanaG> It's odd how 99DPI and 100DPI settings look so drastically different.
[01:17] <Jordan_U> DanaG, It might be on a the edge of a pixel boundry ( if that makes sense )
[01:17] <presto1> ok esox what am i lookinf for?
[01:17] <esox> presto1: did you manage to start pure data ?
[01:18] <presto1> yeah it fired up for me
[01:18] <Jordan_U> DanaG, Especially if you aren't using much hinting or subpixel smoothing
[01:18] <DanaG> I have it set to subpixel hinting.
[01:18] <presto1> esox did you install puredata from the repo
[01:19] <presto1> and did it install all the dependency's
[01:19] <esox> presto1: pfffffffffffffff don t understand, I was able to start it 3 hours ago and now it starts but dont open up and finishes in a dead precessus not interruptible
[01:19] <esox> presto1: yes its installed on ubuntu studio setup
[01:20] <presto1> ah ok i forgot you were working with studio
[01:20] <esox> presto1: 3 hours ago it started...
[01:21] <iwkse>  hi, i'm trying  to install some deb packages, the ubuntu-languages ones in hurdy but installation fails due to dependency errors. Any help?
[01:22] <presto1> have you tried ubuntu studio irc esox?
[01:22] <esox> presto1: yes...
[01:23] <Dr_willis> iwkse,   You downloaded individual .deb files? if so you need all the deps also. and you normall in install them 'all' at one time with  somthing like.. sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[01:23] <jaffarkelshac> how do i transfer files from vbox to host
[01:24] <iwkse> Dr_willis: yes, single files, the problem is that packages have cyclic dependency
[01:25] <Dr_willis> iwkse,  in the past ive had to do that dpkg -i *.deb and it handled those.
[01:29] <antbee> jaffarkelshac: various ways, depends on how much and how often you want to move files across. If one off, use a USB memory stick.
[01:31] <jaffarkelshac> the usb stick does not pop up in the vbox
[01:32] <antbee> jaffarkelshac: did you install vbox from the repositories?
[01:32] <jaffarkelshac> i did
[01:33] <antbee> that version does not allow usb usage. If you want to use usb ports install the version from the virtualbox website.
[01:33] <jaffarkelshac> i see, ok
[01:34] <antbee> There is still a problem with ubuntu after that and you need to make a change in fstab so vbox can see the usb ports probably. Do a google on ubuntu. vbox and usb.
[01:34] <Dr_willis> i dident think the free verison of virtualbox had usb device support.
[01:35] <jaffarkelshac> i will see if i can find a solution
[01:35] <antbee> The free version does not, but the licensed version is still free to use if it is installed personally.
[01:36] <Jordan_U> Dr_willis, It doesn't, if you mean Free as in Freedom
[01:36] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I've found that Virtualbox's USB 2.0 support does not work with Windows guests.
[01:36] <savvas> ..and if you mean .org as in non-profit profitable organization taken over by sun :P
[01:37] <savvas> you mean it's slower DanaG or doesn't work at all?
[01:37] <DanaG> Doesn't work.
[01:37] <savvas> ouch
[01:37] <DanaG> Devices will show up but error out, in the guest.
[01:43] <tarelerulz> Have any of you try the new jingle/gtalk voice chat  in Kopete ?
[01:48] <alastair_> Hmm if you use ccsm to change things, even though it's in the preferences menu, then the 'Extra' visual effects option becomes unchecked - meaning none is checked. Then if you reselect 'Extra' it resets your compiz options
[01:49] <DanaG> That's bad.  Trampling on users' options is bad.
[01:49] <alastair_> Especially when they're mine!
[01:50] <alastair_> It doesn't reset options for features that are by default unchecked, however.
[01:52] <tarelerulz> I can't seem to check the file properties on  .mkv files on my system .  Do I need something more to do that?
[01:55] <hti_pro> can i remove compiz altogether if i don't plan to use it
[01:55] <hti_pro> or does something depend on it
[01:57] <Jordan_U> hti_pro, you can remove it safely when Hardy goes stable but if you remove it now you might want to re-install ubuntu-desktop for any large updates
[01:57] <hti_pro> alright, any major bugs, like system killing bugs an issue right now
[01:59] <coz_> so any fixes for the updates anytime soon ? :)
[02:00] <alastair_> Should gthumb be installed by default? Cos it ain't
[02:01] <tarelerulz> Is there any normal reason that I could  not see the file properties on an .mkv file ?
[02:01] <arbeck> I'm having a problem with smbclient that i didn't have in 7.10.    But I have no idea where to do that
[02:03] <hti_pro> your server is trying to use plaintext authentication and your client has plain text auth disabled
[02:04] <arbeck> well, how do i enable plain text auth on the client?
[02:04] <hti_pro> samba.org is having problems right now so i dont know for sure, but i think it is in the /etc/samba/smb.conf
[02:04] <hti_pro> file
[02:07] <hti_pro> not sure what you are gonna be looking for though
[02:07] <hti_pro> i don't understand why the server is requestion plain text auth
[02:07] <hti_pro> is it a linux server
[02:08] <hti_pro> if its windows anything 98 or above should default to no plain text auth
[02:08] <arbeck> it's the way it's always been... i've never had any problems... I've had that debian server up for years, and I've been connecting with ubuntu since 5.04
[02:10] <hti_pro> maybe a default changed in the new release
[02:10] <arbeck> did they change the way samba restarts in hardy?  This no longer works: sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[02:10] <macogw> does rhythmbox still tell you you're not allowed to shut down because it's busy playing music?
[02:10] <Dr_willis>  sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[02:10] <Dr_willis>  * Stopping Samba   [ OK ]
[02:10] <Dr_willis> it works here. :)
[02:11] <hti_pro> not sure, don't use samba if i don't have to
[02:11] <hti_pro> and i dont have to
[02:11] <hti_pro> no microsoft winblows here
[02:12] <swuboo> hti_pro:  You're a better man than I, Gunga Din.
[02:12] <arbeck> well, my debian webserver dates from when i still had windows boxes around, it's been easier to keep using samba then mess with reconfiguring the server
[02:13] <hti_pro> Microsoft protocols keep me up at night
[02:13] <hti_pro> make that microsoft anything
[02:14] <swuboo> Windows Genuine Advantage has seen its own shadow; you must now telephone a call center in India.
[02:19] <hti_pro> when i did run windows i never had a problem with wga, and I never once ran a legit version
[02:19] <hti_pro> i guess they aren't the most retarded, but if they were smart that would have happened years ago
[02:19] <hti_pro> stil they are near the bottom end
[02:20] <sivel27> hello all, i just upgraded from 7.10 to heron, and now my on bord video (nvidia 6150) is forever in low graphics mode,, any suggestions?
[02:21] <swuboo> A friend of mine has a perfectly legit copy of XP which got nailed by WGA.
[02:21] <Dr_willis> You might need to manually install the nvidia-glx drivers sivel27
[02:21] <jimmygoon> jesus, firefox crashes every 5 minutes
[02:21] <sivel27> using apt-get?
[02:21] <Dr_willis> swuboo,  several 1000 people had that happen a few months back. or was that with vista? i forget.
[02:22] <Dr_willis> sivel27,  yes. :)
[02:22] <swuboo> I think that was Vista.  This was a year or two back.  He just turned on his computer one day, and blammo, an hour on the phone.
[02:22] <sivel27> thank you, im doing it right now...
[02:23] <Dr_willis> I recall there being some vista glitz where sevearl comercial-oem? licenses got flagged as being bad.
[02:23] <Dr_willis> That would make Dell so Happy if all their machines got flagged as pirated at once..  Imagine the call center  phones on that day
[02:25] <daekdroom> That'd be like Dell and M$ breaking at the same day :p
[02:26] <Jordan_U> jimmygoon, Have you tried using flashblock? ( it's probably the flash plugin which is crashing )
[02:26] <swuboo> The one time I ever had a problem with Windows activation, the guy on the phone asked me if I had that copy of Windows installed on any other computers.  When I said, "Hell no, all my other computers are Linux," he cracked up and reactivated my Windows install on the spot.
[02:26] <jimmygoon> Jordan_U, yeah, its flash.... why is it crashing so darn much
[02:26] <Jordan_U> jimmygoon, Adobe hates Linux?
[02:27] <swuboo> jimmygoon:  I've had so damn many problems with Flash in Firefox that I just gave up and disabled it.
[02:27] <jimmygoon> heh, its getting really old. why doesn't ubuntu rollback to the older/more stable version?
[02:27] <jimmygoon> I have no alternative and there is too much that I use that needs flash :/
[02:28] <swuboo> jimmygoon:  I can understand that; I don't know what to tell you.  What if you rolled it back manually?
[02:28] <jimmygoon> swuboo, I may toy with that tomorrow
[02:28] <swuboo> It's probably your best bet.  Are you using 64bit or 32?
[02:29] <Flannel> jimmygoon: Are you sure its an Ubuntu problem?  The issue with flash is the package grabs the source of the macradobe site, if they only have that one version (or the link is down) there's not a whole lot we can do about it.
[02:29] <jimmygoon> Flannel, grr, I forgot about that
[02:29] <sivel27> well, in installed the nvidia-glx, rebooted, and still the same
[02:29] <swuboo> If you're using x64, you might want to try using a wrapper to install the 32-bit version.
[02:29] <jimmygoon> nah, I'm on 32 bit
[02:30] <sivel27> im gonna try fglrx
[02:30] <swuboo> jimmygoon:  Ah.
[02:30] <Jordan_U> jimmygoon, I have heard that using nspluginwrapper will prevent FF from going down with flash
[02:30] <hti_pro> theres a saying i always loved,  computers are like air conditioners, they don't work well when you open windows
[02:31]  * Jordan_U thinks plugins shouldn't be able to bring down the browser so easily
[02:32] <swuboo> That's funny, I went to look at my own drivers, and the Hardware Drivers applet says that nvidia is enabled but "Not in use."
[02:32] <jimmygoon> Yeah, whats with that... I never thought about it before... but its sort of a load carp that flash can crash ALL of firefox
[02:33] <Dr_willis> nvidia 6150  does not use fglrx.
[02:33] <Jordan_U> IIRC konqyeror keeps plugins as a separate process
[02:33] <swuboo> Does anyone know offhand what command will tell you what graphics driver is being used?
[02:33] <crdlb> Jordan_U: yeah it does, or at least the webkit version
[02:34] <crdlb> webkit-gtk will have that feature too
[02:34] <Dr_willis> you can check the xorg logs some where.   I installed the nvidia-glx-new package for my card, ran the nvidia-xconfig tool,  and then restarted X. you dont need to reboot normally.
[02:34] <crdlb> maybe gecko will do it one day; they say they're considering it
[02:34] <macogw> crdlb: webkit's based on konqueror
[02:34] <Dr_willis> My working xorg.conf for my Nvidia card --> http://pastebin.com/f85d99aa
[02:35] <daekdroom> konkeror is based on webkit
[02:35] <crdlb> macogw: webkit is based on khtml :)
[02:35] <Flannel> webkit is based off of KHTML
[02:35] <Jordan_U> macogw, Sort of, webkit is based on KHTML, you can use KHTML ( default ) or webkit in konq
[02:35] <crdlb> and konqueror is being ported to use webkit
[02:35] <macogw> crdlb: yeah
[02:35] <Flannel> Just like most likely, plugins aren't to blame, Firefox itself is, as a rendering engine shouldn't be touching plugins.
[02:35] <macogw> Jordan_U: when did it get an option for that?
[02:36] <FastZ> so I successfully installed Hardy beta 4 on a 10 year old HP Pavilion running a 500Mhz Intel Celeron CPU with 128Mb of RAM today...rather impressed
[02:36] <Flannel> er, s/plugins /gecko /
[02:36] <macogw> FastZ: awesome
[02:36] <daekdroom> FastZ: There isn't Hardy beta 4. There's Alpha 4 and Beta :p
[02:36] <bazhang> FastZ: nice! am going to put it on my eeepc ;]
[02:36] <FastZ> Oops, my mistake.  well, it's the beta version
[02:37] <wabiD> is that impressive, i would kind of expect it to run
[02:37] <Jordan_U> bazhang, You know that Compiz Fusion works smooth as butter on the eeepc right? :)
[02:37] <macogw> wabiD: idk its using more mem for me than gutsy did
[02:37] <wabiD> more memory doesnt mean its slower
[02:37] <macogw> probably a lot more caching i guesss...but my gig is almost fully used up at all times
[02:37] <bazhang> Jordan_U: hehe well that is interesting ;]
[02:37] <swuboo> How bizarre:  I just asked the index tool to search for "x".  It told me nothing was found, and asked if I meant, "7".
[02:37] <macogw> wtf
[02:37] <wabiD> if things are loaded into memory instead of running from the hard drive, you would expect them to be faster
[02:37] <Flannel> macogw: unused memory is wasted memory
[02:37] <crdlb> macogw: unused ram is wasted ram :)
[02:37] <macogw> WEIRD
[02:38] <wabiD> exactly
[02:38] <macogw> somebody owes somebody a soda
[02:38] <Jordan_U> swuboo, Asks me if I meant 5 :)
[02:38] <swuboo> Heh.
[02:39] <mc-george> anyone know of a program similar to convertxtodvd that will use my quad core processor?
[02:39] <Dr_willis> mc-george,  and what does that program do?
[02:40] <wabiD> its crappy avi to dvd software
[02:40] <mc-george> dr_willis: video encoding
[02:40] <Dr_willis> thers  avi to dvd video software for linux.
[02:40] <sivel27> that didnt work either :( fglrx, or nvidia-glx
[02:40] <Dr_willis> i use devede mainly
[02:40] <hti_pro> I'm happy to say that I just updated all of my hardy packages, and have no problems at least with basic functionality, of course the main purpose is mythtv
[02:40] <Dr_willis> sivel27,  trying things at random is windows thinking.
[02:40] <Jordan_U> Is there a way to tell tracker to dedicate as many resources as possible to index over night once or something, kind of like "updatedb" ? ( except updatedb is a lot faster than that :)
[02:41] <Dr_willis> sivel27,   fglrx is NOT for nvidia cards.
[02:41] <swuboo> That's bizarre.  xorg.conf confirms that the driver that should be loading is 'nvidia' but the Hardy's Hardware Driver doodad says the nvidia driver is 'not in use.'
[02:41] <Dr_willis> swuboo,  ive niticed that befor also.
[02:41] <Jordan_U> swuboo, Do you get any errors from "sudo modprobe nvidia" ?
[02:41] <swuboo> Also, the indexer in Hardy says no files match the search string, 'xorg.conf"
[02:41] <sivel27> ah. thats silly of me
[02:42] <swuboo> Jordan_U:  Nope, that returns no text.
[02:42] <Jordan_U> swuboo, I think it only searches your home folder by default
[02:42] <Jordan_U> swuboo, Are you getting 3D acceleration?
[02:42] <swuboo> Jordan_U:  You're right, it is only searching my home directory.  And yes, I'm getting 3D acceleration.
[02:43] <swuboo> I think the Hardware Drivers applet is just lying to me.
[02:48] <sivel27> not much in the forums on the issue...
[02:49] <swuboo> sivel27:  Have you tried the proprietary 'nvidia' driver?
[02:49] <esox> could somone make a test for me : run winecfg if wine is installed of course
[02:49] <swuboo> esox:  Okay.
[02:50] <swuboo> esox: Anything in particular you're looking for?
[02:50] <esox> swuboo: does it start ?
[02:50] <swuboo> Yes.  I get some terminal errors about memory usage, then it starts.
[02:50] <esox> swuboo: I only have the errors...
[02:51] <swuboo> err:dosmem:setup_dos_mem Cannot use first megabyte for DOS address space, please report preloader: Warning: failed to reserve range 00000000-60000000  Those two, repeated a total of ten times.
[02:51] <sivel27> well, right before i get into the login screen, a message comes up telling me the systems running in low-res mode, so i click configure, and have tried to select the two drivers they have for my gfx card, but they both fail., if thats what you mean by enabling the default drivers.
[02:51] <esox> swuboo: those errors ?
[02:51] <esox> http://pastebin.org/29348
[02:51] <beata> Growlp.
[02:51] <Jordan_U> esox, Try temporarily renaming your .wine folder : mv ~/.wine ~/.wine-bak
[02:52] <esox> Jordan_U: ok
[02:52] <swuboo> Yes.  Those exactly, five times each.
[02:52] <swuboo> But, winecfg then successfully opens.
[02:52] <swuboo> Hmm.  No, I don't mean the default drivers---I mean the restricted one.
[02:53] <swuboo> Er, that last was directed at sivel27.
[02:53]  * beata asks for ideas about how to configure console font.
[02:53] <sivel27> not yet, ill try that now
[02:54] <swuboo> sivel27:  It's probably worth a go.
[02:54] <esox> Jordan_U: If I rename .WIne, I have 5 times repetition of the error msg like swuboo, but it doesn't start
[02:54] <esox> swuboo: what kernel ?
[02:54] <Jordan_U> beata, try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup"
[02:54] <esox> Jordan_U: and I cant stop the process with ctrl C
[02:55] <swuboo> esox:  Whatever the current Hardy version of x64 is, lemme check.
[02:55] <beata> console-setup doesn't show any of the Terminus fonts to choose.
[02:55] <esox> Jordan_U: and I have wineser idle and winecfg : not interruptible
[02:56] <esox> sorry for the translation !
[02:56] <esox> swuboo: I'm on 32bits 2.6.24-16 RT
[02:56] <beata> If I set the font by hand in /etc/default/console-setup, it asks me to install the 'kbd' package.
[02:56] <hti_pro> what is the rc file to start apps when X starts
[02:56] <swuboo> beata:  If you open up a terminal window, Edit, Profiles..., Edit, General tab.
[02:57] <hti_pro> .xinitrc in home directory??
[02:57] <esox> I already had kernel issues that prented me to start puredata, I reinstalled the kernel and puredata starts again
[02:57] <esox> prevented
[02:57] <swuboo> beata:  You can set the terminal's font there.
[02:57] <swuboo> beata:  Or did you mean the console console, as in with X not running?
[02:57] <esox> swuboo: and I cant kill the wincfg process
[02:57] <beata> Console, yes.
[02:58] <Jordan_U> esox, killall -9 wine
[02:58] <esox> Jordan_U: answer : no process killed
[02:58] <swuboo> beata:  I have no idea then, I'm sorry.
[02:59] <crdlb> if it's in uninterruptible sleep, there's no way to kill it
[02:59] <hti_pro> esox: try  killall -9 $(pidof wine)
[02:59] <Jordan_U> esox, pgrep wine
[02:59] <esox> crdlb: I already had that issue with puredata (ubuntu studio), I solved by reinstalling the kernel
[03:00] <beata> I suspect it's going to require either a script tweak or a package change, but that's out of my purview as a user at the moment.
[03:00] <esox> Jordan_U: http://pastebin.org/29351
[03:01] <Jordan_U> esox, "kill -9 8116 8120 8227 8455"
[03:02] <hti_pro> using $(pidof wine)  will take care of all of those processes
[03:02] <dotech> This is getting agitating:
[03:02] <hti_pro> should
[03:02] <esox> Jordan_U: no luck, still alive
[03:02] <dotech> 6068 dotech    20   0  287m 7752 5908 S  100  0.1 340:56.06 evolution-data-
[03:02] <dotech> 100% CPU for 340 minutes
[03:02] <hti_pro> esox did you try what i suggested
[03:03] <esox> hti_pro: sudo killall -0 8120 ?
[03:03] <esox> sorry, -9
[03:03] <dotech> should i kill evolution-data-?
[03:03] <dotech> it has been consuming 100% of one of my cores for 4 hours
[03:03] <sivel27> ok, when i lick on the restricted drivers menu, nothing even comes up
[03:03] <esox> hti_pro: or sudo killall -9 $(8120) ?
[03:03] <dotech> rather, 6 hours
[03:03] <sivel27> click
[03:04] <hti_pro> esox try sudo killall -9 $(pidof wine)
[03:04] <esox> hti_pro: no success
[03:04] <hti_pro> type it exactly as i put it
[03:04] <hti_pro> $(pidof wine) is a command
[03:04] <swuboo> sivel27:  The Hardware Drivers applet on my computer doesn't even register that I'm running the driver, for some reason.
[03:04] <swuboo> sivel27:  Try backing up xorg.conf, changing the driver line to 'nvidia', and restarting X.
[03:04] <hti_pro> $(pidof wine)  will be replaced by all pids of wine
[03:05] <sivel27> ok, will do
[03:05] <esox> hti_pro: http://pastebin.org/29352
[03:05] <Jordan_U> hti_pro, will that get wineserv or winecfg ?
[03:05] <crdlb> no
[03:06] <sivel27> hmm, its already on nvidia
[03:06] <dotech> strace shows 6068 doing nothing
[03:06] <crdlb> pidof matches exactly
[03:06] <hti_pro> try just kill instead of killall
[03:06] <dotech> yet its consuming 100% of my cpu
[03:06] <dotech> anyone know what i can check now?
[03:06] <sivel27> for identifier, it says device0
[03:06] <swuboo> sivel27:  Yeah, that's as it should be.
[03:06] <hti_pro> i don't thing so, but it might
[03:06] <sivel27> so im s-o-l?
[03:06] <swuboo> I dunno.
[03:07] <esox> hti_pro: http://pastebin.org/29354
[03:07] <dotech> has anyone ever even heard of "evolution-data-"?
[03:07] <swuboo> sivel27:  I honestly am not sure.  You're still having the exact same problem?
[03:07] <sivel27> yup.
[03:07] <crdlb> esox: that means pidof wine returned nothing
[03:07] <hti_pro> try kill -9 $('pidof wine')
[03:07] <hti_pro> i know this works, i use it all the time
[03:08] <hti_pro> is wine still running
[03:08] <savvas> how about: killall -9 wine
[03:08] <savvas> :)
[03:08] <savvas> you're trying to kill wine server?
[03:08] <esox> hti_pro: no success
[03:08] <hti_pro> that might work as well
[03:08] <crdlb> hti_pro: adding quotes would just make bash try to run that all as one commmand :)
[03:08] <swuboo> sivel27:  I guess you could try the main Ubuntu channel, if no one here can help.
[03:08] <hti_pro> do a ps aux | grep wine
[03:08] <hti_pro> which it should
[03:09] <hti_pro> i think it should even without them though
[03:09] <crdlb> no
[03:09] <savvas> wineserver -k
[03:09] <crdlb> as in "pidof wine": command not found
[03:09] <savvas> this works as well
[03:09] <hti_pro> ?
[03:09] <esox> hti_pro: http://pastebin.org/29355
[03:09] <dotech> evolution-data- is taking 100% of my CPU but i don't even have any binary of the name evolution-data*
[03:09] <dotech> how is this even possible
[03:10] <crdlb> dotech: they're in /usr/libexec
[03:10] <macogw> dotech: it's evolution-data-server
[03:10] <macogw> its what runs your calendar in the panel
[03:10] <dotech> weird
[03:10] <savvas> dotech: ps ax| grep evolution-data-
[03:10] <dotech> tab completion doesn't even find it
[03:10] <hti_pro> esox i don't know then
[03:11] <dotech> savvas: ah, yeah that shows the full name
[03:11] <esox> hti_pro: wine was running perfectly on gutsy. I think there are still kernel issues
[03:11] <dotech> now i have to figure out why this server went nuts
[03:11] <savvas> dotech: it also shows you the pid number
[03:11] <savvas> you could probably kill it and restart it
[03:11] <dotech> yea i knew that already, i tried strace but it doesn't do anything
[03:11] <crdlb> esox: as I said earlier, there's nothing you can do to coax uninterruptible processes to die
[03:11] <Sergeant_Pony> I'm really confused.... jockey-gtk crashes when I try to pull up device drivers. No indication  as of why.. Did a search for bugs and there is several of them... anyone been able to fix there's or can someone help me find out why it crashes?
[03:11] <crdlb> that's what the D means
[03:12] <dotech> savvas: i would prefer to figure out what it is doing so i can fix it first :)
[03:12] <crdlb> the kernel has locked them, and only it can unlock them
[03:12] <hti_pro> esox, i think crdlb is right
[03:12] <dotech> if some poor soul didn't have 4 CPUs like i do they would be in a world of pain right now
[03:12] <esox> crdlb: I dont care about that, I reboot and it dies, my problem is that I cant start wine or wincecfg
[03:12] <icanhasadmin> crdlb is always right :P
[03:12] <savvas> dotech: apt-cache show evolution-data-server ...good luck with that :p
[03:12] <hti_pro> icanhasadmin: i will keep that in mind
[03:13] <dotech> savvas: thanks
[03:13] <esox> crdlb: it creates memory errors, from winehq channel, its because its trying to start dos memory mapping
[03:13] <crdlb> esox: does it work with the -generic kernel?
[03:14] <jumpkic1> can someone plz point me at a doc that explains how I turn a bunch of .o files in /lib/linux-restricted-modules/2.6.24-16-generic/nvidia_new into an "nvidia" kernel module I can actually load?
[03:15] <crdlb> jumpkic1: lrm-manager does that at boot
[03:15] <crdlb> during the linux-restricted-modules-common init script
[03:15] <esox> crdlb: didnt try that... I'll do that tomorrow, its late for me now
[03:17] <dotech> looks like its bug #151536
[03:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151536 in evolution-data-server "Hangs on login and uses 100% cpu" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151536
[03:18] <MrKeuner> hi, how can I log vino connections(attempts)?
[03:19] <keith__> Ok, I've updated to 8.04 and as many before me, my wireless is not working, Broadcom 4318.  I've tried reading through the documentation in the Ubuntu site and it is more confusing than assembling a gas BBQ.  Anyone have time to give a hand?
[03:19] <nickrud> keith__ #ubuntu+1 is handling hardy questions until release,  /j #ubuntu+1
[03:19] <nickrud> dagn, wrong channel again
[03:19] <keith__> nickrud, no problem!
[03:20] <MrKeuner> can I log vino connections(attempts)?
[03:21] <hti_pro> how can i monitor an app and reload it anytime it is ended
[03:21] <beata> Hmm.
[03:22] <hti_pro> i guess i could write a script but is there any apps for this purpose
[03:22] <hti_pro> like some kind of wathdog timer
[03:23] <dotech> watch dog
[03:23] <dotech> watchdog*
[03:24] <hti_pro> that is literally an app?  configurable to watch a process or app of my choice
[03:24] <billisnice> welcome to the jungle!
[03:26] <jscinoz> Hey guys, i'm using the icedtea-gcjwebplugin, and it seems to ignore pulseaudio. If there is no sound playing already, the plugin will eat /dev/dsp and block anything else from outputting sound, or if /dev/dsp is already in use java won't output sound. Is there any way to get either gcjwebplugin or sun-java6-plugin to use pulseaudio?
[03:28] <xtknight> shouldn't the web browser in preferred applications settings also change the link to x-www-browser?  they seem to be independent to me
[03:29] <dotech> what tool do you guys use in hardy to view system temperatures?
[03:30] <swuboo> dotech:  Blind faith in my fans, usually.
[03:31] <dotech> swuboo: lol
[03:31] <Sergeant_Pony> same here
[03:31] <dotech> i trust my fans, but i plan to overclock this 2.4 processor to 3.4-3.6 so i need to know ;)
[03:31] <swuboo> dotech:  lm-sensors comes to mind.
[03:32] <dotech> that looks like the one, thanks swuboo
[03:33] <swuboo> Sure.
[03:33] <swuboo> I never found a decent front-end widget for it, so it's always just vaguely running somewhere in the background.
[03:34] <dotech> seems like there's a handful of different front ends
[03:34] <dotech> sensors-applet, i'll give that a shot
[03:36] <hti_pro> what is the applet that knoppix uses
[03:36] <beata> ksensors works well enough, if you lean that way.
[03:37] <hti_pro> i always liked that one
[03:37] <beata> Although the display IS a bit flyspeck.
[03:37] <dotech> haha, i'll try sensors-applet first which seems to be intended for GNOME, but whatever works
[03:38] <keith__> Anyone with ideas on how to get a broadcom wireless (4318) working?
[03:39] <swuboo> Hmm.
[03:40] <LOB|LoBo> I'm having trouble getting a vfat partition to mount with proper permissions through fstab
[03:40] <macogw> keith__: bcm43xx-fwcutter? its in the restricted driver manager
[03:40] <keith__> macogw, I can't get the restricted drivers to start up
[03:41] <macogw> oh
[03:41] <macogw> well thats bad but then just install bcm43xx-fwcutter
[03:41] <macogw> and if that bug's not reported, go do it
[03:42] <beata> The manager thingy..jasper is it?
[03:42] <keith__> I tried to install and it said it already was.  I've tried the best I can to follow the info in the ubuntu site.
[03:42] <keith__> Nothing works
[03:42] <kindofabuzz> what repo contains firefox 3b5?  and is it possible to add that to gutsy just to upgrade to 3b5 from 3b4?
[03:42] <Killeroid> macogw: i think you meant he should install b43-fwcutter
[03:43] <keith__> macogw, I think I'll try to reinstall 7.10, if that does not fix it, back to XP as the laptop came.
[03:43] <macogw> Killeroid: it changed names?
[03:43] <LOB|LoBo> i had trouble with the same thing keith
[03:43] <macogw> keith__: do what killer said
[03:43] <tech0007> kindofabuzz: if i were you, i'd install 3b5 direct from mozilla
[03:43] <LOB|LoBo> after i did the partial upgrade
[03:43] <Killeroid> macogw: new broadcom wireless driver
[03:44] <macogw> Killeroid: wow everything got new wireless drivers
[03:44] <Killeroid> keith__: install b43-fwcutter
[03:44] <LOB|LoBo> i reinstalled and did a dist-upgrade and it worked then
[03:44] <kindofabuzz> tech0007, yeah but i wanna "install" it, not just run it from a folder.  that way i get the updates
[03:44] <LOB|LoBo> fixed the problem with hardware drivers
[03:44] <hti_pro> keith__: you better watch that language thems fightin words
[03:45] <Killeroid> keith__: if you will pm me i can help you
[03:45] <LOB|LoBo> I'm having trouble getting a vfat partition to mount so that users can edit and delete files, anyone know how to set up fstab for that
[03:45] <tech0007> kindofabuzz: i dont see 3b5 anywhere in gutsy repos
[03:46] <kindofabuzz> i know, that's what i'm asking. it's in the hardy repos
[03:46] <kindofabuzz> tech0007, i'm asking what HARDY repo it's in
[03:47] <keith__> hti_pro, sorry, upgrade venting!
[03:47] <macogw> LOB|LoBo: uid= and gid= on the options
[03:47] <macogw> LOB|LoBo: you could make the gid be a "users" group and put them all in there
[03:48] <keith__> hti_pro, I did say re-install 7.10 first!
[03:48] <keith__> Killeroid, installed, no what action should I take?
[03:49] <Killeroid> keith__: now, run hardware drivers again
[03:49] <hti_pro> keith__:  i understand, thats a greate idea, the 7.10 thing,  I am confident that that will solve your problem, I had a broadcom wifi card work from fresh isntall on 7.1
[03:49] <LOB|LoBo> macogw: heres the line from fstab: UUID=453C-F40D  /media/fatty    vfat    auto,users,umask=0000,gid=users 0       0
[03:50] <Kenshi> Hey guys
[03:50] <macogw> LOB|LoBo: now if all your users are in the users group it *should* work
[03:50] <keith__> hti_pro, so am I!  I'm just frustrated, as I'm sure we all get from time to time.  Ubuntu will stay where it is here on my machines!
[03:50] <macogw> LOB|LoBo: maybe add rw to it
[03:50] <Kenshi> Guys, i have a question about that firefox slowdown problem that happens when compiz is enabled, using ATI cards.
[03:50] <LOB|LoBo> macogw: everyone is in users, the odd thing is that one folder on the drive actually has rw but the other just has w
[03:51] <macogw> just w?
[03:51] <macogw> weird...
[03:51] <hti_pro> wifi drivers are the main reason i use ubuntu, otherwise it would be pure debian, it is also a great transitional distro for switching from winblows
[03:51] <LOB|LoBo> i'm sorry read
[03:51] <hti_pro> keith__: my wife is very stubborn
[03:51] <Kenshi> I was told that Hardy should fix the problem.  Then i did install the official ATI driver with Envy NG, but when i started compiz, i got a blank screen
[03:53] <macogw> LOB|LoBo: yay
[03:53] <icanhasadmin> Kenshi: your problem is envy
[03:53] <Kenshi> Any hint on why this is happening or how i can fix this?
[03:53] <LOB|LoBo> macogw: yea that was buggin the heck out of me
[03:54] <Kenshi> Okie, but what driver i should use? Or the restricted fglrx from ubuntu?
[03:54] <Kenshi> * The offical ATI's or the restricted..
[03:55] <icanhasadmin> Kenshi: in hardy, use ubuntu's.. same driver and it shouldn't break
[03:58] <Kenshi> Hm, nice. Thx. The final question: the restricted drivers manager is broken on my hardy's update, so i can't install fglrx directly by ubuntu. There's a way to fix this or to install the driver correctly bypassing restricted drivers module? Synaptic perhaps?
[03:59] <Killeroid> keith__: if hardware drivers is still being annoying, just install b43-fwcutter and then follow the instructions here : http://pastebin.ca/983173
[03:59] <icanhasadmin> Kenshi: actually, the restricted drivers manager techincally isn't broken i don't believe
[03:59] <keith__> Killeroid, thanks!  I will look....
[04:00] <keith__> Restricted Drivers Manager is just not working for me.
[04:00] <icanhasadmin> brb
[04:00] <Kenshi> Well, it is not starting, and i get a crash report notification everytime i try to start it
[04:02] <Kenshi> Any idea?
[04:02] <Kenshi> Installing the driver by synaptic perhaps?
[04:03] <LOB|LoBo> kenshi: i reinstalled and did a aptitude dist-upgrade to fix my restricted driver manager
[04:04] <Kenshi> reinstalled hardy's? omb
[04:04] <Kenshi> omg
[04:04] <jthomas> Hello all!
[04:04] <LOB|LoBo> kenshi: yea i dunno, i think it was the partial upgrade that broke it
[04:04] <Kenshi> Well, thx a lot, i'll try this
[04:04] <Arv3n> DJones, are you Dr. Jones?
[04:05] <LOB|LoBo> anyone tried getting that global menu applet working in hardy heron?
[04:06] <fidelio> any guru on CUPS installation?
[04:08] <Killeroid> did anyone notice that you cannot select the super key + any other combination for a keyboard shortcut
[04:09] <Killeroid> its so annoying, i am used to hitting super+d to minimze all windows and show desktop
[04:09] <xtknight> Killeroid, yeah
[04:09] <xtknight> i think so... but i remember getting super+d working somehow
[04:09] <xtknight> oh it was thru gconf-editor
[04:10] <xtknight> you have to do <Mod4>D
[04:10] <xtknight> should be filed as a bug anyways.
[04:11] <Killeroid> xtknight: mhm
[04:11] <nickrud> been a bug for years
[04:11] <Killeroid> nickrud: used to work for me on gutsy
[04:11] <keith__> Killeroid, sorry, didn't work for me!
[04:11] <xtknight> naw it didn't work on gutsy either
[04:12] <xtknight> at least not for me
[04:13] <Killeroid> keith__: really? rm "lsmod" and pastebin the contents
[04:13] <xtknight> bug 12153
[04:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 12153 in gnome-control-center "Cannot use Windows key in keyboard shortcuts" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/12153
[04:13] <xtknight> "Declined  for Hardy"
[04:13] <xtknight> :O
[04:13] <Killeroid> keith__: and also "dmesg" (just pastebin the last 20 lines of dmesg
[04:13] <xtknight> looks like that isn't getting fixed anytime soon.
[04:15] <Killeroid> xtknight: do you remember which gconf key you eidted to get it working?
[04:17] <xtknight> Killeroid, /apps/metacity/global_keybindings
[04:18] <compaqr4000> Killeroid, Keith__ here.  Thank your for your help.  It eventually worked!  My wireless is now working again.
[04:18] <xtknight> show_desktop.  set it to <Mod4>D
[04:18] <Killeroid> compaqr4000: hurray!!!
[04:18] <Killeroid> xtknight: thanks a lot
[04:18] <compaqr4000> Killeroid, you bet!!!  Nice, easy to follow instructions, thanks!
[04:18] <xtknight> yeah it's pretty convenient
[04:19] <compaqr4000> Killeroid, I just wish Broacomm would come on board and make this an easy thing to do!
[04:19] <compaqr4000> *Broadcom
[04:20] <Killeroid> compaqr4000: mhm
[04:21] <compaqr4000> hti_pro, as you said, I'm back up and running with the help here!
[04:22] <hti_pro> ubuntu is the king, but remember without debian there would be no ubuntu
[04:22] <compaqr4000> hti_pro, hail Debian!
[04:24] <compaqr4000> I have another, older wired machine that I upgraded with no issues at all....so I thought I'd try my laptop..........yikes
[04:26] <Killeroid> yeah, i upgraded from gutsy and the new wireless driver messed up everything. for some reason, my wireless card was recognized as a modem. how in the hell that happened i dont know. i wiped everything and installed yesterdays build, burned the iso to a cd and reinstalled hardy
[04:29] <compaqr4000> Wow, laptops are a tough nut to crack.
[04:31] <compaqr4000> And then I go and throw a Beta OS at it!
[04:31] <x1250> :)
[04:32] <compaqr4000> But, I would have it no other way!
[04:34] <compaqr4000> Hey, now that I have a stable OS here, is it possible to burn a custom CD?
[04:37] <tacone> is flashplayer still broken ?
[04:39] <compaqr4000> And, while I'm throwing out ideas here, how to get a secondary display working on a laptop?
[04:40] <Killeroid> compaqr4000: burn a cd   applications> sound and video > brasero disk burning
[04:41] <Killeroid> tacone: flash player has been working perfectly for the past week
[04:41] <tanner> Killeroid: i think he meant burn a custom cd of his install
[04:42] <Killeroid> oh, ok
[04:42] <Killeroid> compaqr4000: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[04:42] <Killeroid> daily builds of hardy beta
[04:42] <compaqr4000> Killeroid, yes, a custom cd....
[04:42] <xtknight> so is there some 'easy interface' for qemu yet?
[04:42] <compaqr4000> tanner, thanks
[04:42] <tanner> xtknight: CLI :)
[04:42] <xtknight> tanner, what is virt-manager?
[04:43] <compaqr4000> Killeroid, I'd love to build one as I have installed right now.  With wireless working and everything.
[04:43] <tanner> virt-manager?
[04:43] <tanner> hell if i know
[04:44] <xtknight> supposed to be a frontend for qemu (i think), just not having much luck using it
[04:44] <tanner> ah, i have no idea
[04:44] <tanner> i user vmware myself
[04:44] <xtknight> same here
[04:44] <xtknight> exprerimenting with qemu because i'm sick of vmware destroying my shift/ctrl keys
[04:44] <xtknight> technically hardy bug i guess
[04:45] <xtknight> vbox cant run 64bit guests so that was out
[04:45] <tanner> hardy and vmware do not get along
[04:45] <Killeroid> compaqr4000: long process, it easier if you just backup only   /lib/firmware/b43      the broadcom wifi files are sotred there. anytime you reinstall, just copy that folder back to /lib/firmware/ and restart and wifi will wkr
[04:45] <tanner> xtknight: i assume this occurs after control + alt + enter where after shift/control do not work yes?
[04:45] <ayllu> some know hoy to configure a ipaq for copy files
[04:45] <xtknight> tanner, yea.  funny thing is, it doens't happen in kde4
[04:45] <ayllu> some know how to configure a ipaq for copy files
[04:46] <xtknight> actually i haven't tried it in GNOME a second time.  didn't really have any desire to when i saw a page full of people confirming the problem
[04:46] <xtknight> thing doesnt maximize/restore half the time in gnome anyway
[04:46] <tanner> i have the same issue
[04:46] <tanner> its fine if i dont go full screen though
[04:46] <compaqr4000> Killeroid, ok.  No "remasterme" in Ubuntu?
[04:46] <xtknight> i have multimonitors so a double-doozy
[04:46] <tanner> xtknight: something, likely a compiz bug, prevents the release of the keyboard properly from vmware
[04:47] <xtknight> tanner,  yeah i don even use compiz
[04:47] <Killeroid> compaqr4000: you can roll your own custom installation cd but its too complicated(thats code for i dont know how to)
[04:47] <tanner> for example, i am unable to use caps when i full screen vmware
[04:47] <xtknight> my caps work fine within vmware, but not outside it
[04:47] <tanner> thats my meaning
[04:47] <xtknight> xev can listen to the events, compared my xev with another person's correct xev, no difference.  something with gnome/metacity
[04:47] <compaqr4000> Killeroid, hahaha, no problem.  If it is not fairly easy, I don't want to get into it at the moment!
[04:47] <tanner> not sure why vmware wont release properly
[04:48] <tanner> however its a bug with something within heron :-\
[04:48] <xtknight> restarting X fixes it too
[04:48] <Killeroid> compaqr4000: my method of just backing up /lib/firmware/b43 works. i have used it about 4 times to restore my boraodcom wireless after reinstalling
[04:48] <xtknight> brb adding user to group
[04:48] <compaqr4000> Killeroid, here is another brain picker for you (sorry for so many) how about a general backup of everything to a bigger USB drive?
[04:49] <Killeroid> compaqr4000: thats easy, lots of apps available for that
[04:50] <compaqr4000> Killeroid, wasn't there one I read about somewhere called "timevault" or something like that?
[04:50] <compaqr4000> My memory is a bit fuzzy
[04:50] <Killeroid> compaqr4000: yeah, timevault
[04:51] <compaqr4000> Killeroid, works under Ubuntu?
[04:51] <xtknight> tanner, have you tried qemu on hardy then?
[04:51] <xtknight> or kqemu
[04:52] <Killeroid> compaqr4000: yeah, it does
[04:52] <tanner> never got it working properly
[04:52] <tanner> im satisfied with vmware
[04:52] <x1250> virtualbox?
[04:52] <compaqr4000> Killeroid, I just want an easy, one click backup and one click restore solution.
[04:53] <Killeroid> compaqr4000: i prefer sbackup, its point and lcick and easy. and if i am not mistaken its in the hardy repos
[04:53] <compaqr4000> Killeroid, thank, I'll check
[04:54] <compaqr4000> Killeroid, yes it is, installing.......
[04:54] <Killeroid> nice
[04:55] <compaqr4000> You know this little laptop melted like 3 ice packs during the upgrade?  Those ones you keep in the freezer for sore muscles.
[04:55] <ayllu> hi someone know how to configure a ipaq for copy files
[04:55] <compaqr4000> I had to rest it on them to keep it from overheating!
[04:55] <Killeroid> compaqr4000: your own really expensive portable toaster
[04:56] <compaqr4000> Killeroid, yeah, it keeps my main floor nice and toasty!
[04:56] <compaqr4000> It never did  so under XP though....hmmmm
[04:57] <Killeroid> does it still run that hot after upgrading?
[04:57] <compaqr4000> I must be missing a setting
[04:57] <compaqr4000> Yes, still hot as hell
[04:58] <compaqr4000> I can defrost a 12 oz steak in under 15 minutes
[04:59] <Killeroid> compaqr4000: a while back, when i was using gutsy, i had the same proble, disabling powernowd fixed the problem. i do have powernowd enabled in hardy right but still havent run into the temperature problem
[04:59] <cybojanek> I just installed ubuntu hardy 8.04 and I have no sound. I use an audigy 2 zs platinum pro sound card. Any ideas on what to do? Thanks
[05:00] <compaqr4000> Killeroid, is that something under services?
[05:00] <tanner> sbackup seems nice
[05:00] <Killeroid> yeah
[05:00] <Killeroid> compaqr4000: yes
[05:01] <compaqr4000> Killeroid, power management acpid or apmd
[05:01] <Killeroid> compaqr4000: cpu frequency manager(powernowd)
[05:02] <jscinoz> Hey guys, i'm using the icedtea-gcjwebplugin, and it seems to ignore pulseaudio. If there is no sound playing already, the plugin will eat /dev/dsp and block anything else from outputting sound, or if /dev/dsp is already in use java won't output sound. Is there any way to get either gcjwebplugin or sun-java6-plugin to use pulseaudio?
[05:02] <Killeroid> when ihad the smae problem you had, it was due to powernowd switching cpu frequencies randomly
[05:04] <compaqr4000> Killeroid, I'm going to try to disable to see what happens
[05:04] <Killeroid> compaqr4000: hopefully, that will fix the overheating problem
[05:05] <tanner> could be your cpu governor
[05:05] <compaqr4000> tanner, more information?
[05:06] <tanner> there are cpufreq modules that determine what level your cpu is at based on the governor
[05:06] <compaqr4000> right now, with CPU freq. off, my cpu is just a rocking.....2.2 GHZ and high fan noise
[05:06] <tanner> lsmod | grep cpufreq
[05:07] <kelsa|martalli> I have a problem with the linux-image-2.6.24-12-generic refusing to boot.
[05:08] <kelsa|martalli> In fact, none of the 2.6.24 kernels have booted on my Dell ubuntu 530n machine
[05:08] <compaqr4000> Now, with CPU freq. on, my cpu is at 1 GHZ, but fan is still just a rocking
[05:08] <cybojanek> http://bash.org/?229921
[05:08] <cybojanek> True. So true
[05:09] <cybojanek> http://bash.org/?189375
[05:09] <kelsa|martalli> They hang during the boot sequence.  I can still use the 2.6.22 kernel from feisty, though.  I want to post this to launchpad...but is there a way to see the boot messages from previous boot-ups?  These would be helpful for a launchpad bug report, I would think
[05:10] <compaqr4000> Here we go, zero cpu useage but fan and heat are going crazy
[05:11] <cybojanek> ROFL
[05:11] <cybojanek> compaqr4000: Why?
[05:12] <kelsa|martalli> Is the dmesg from previous boots put somewhere in /var/log...?
[05:12] <cybojanek> compaqr4000: When was the last time you claned your computer?
[05:12] <compaqr4000> cybojanek, I have no idea.....
[05:12] <compaqr4000> ok, the fan just throttled back.
[05:12] <tacone> hello, my flashplayer seems broken. the movie stops after 1 second and I have no audio. totem seems broken as well (could 2 things be related ?)
[05:12] <compaqr4000> cybojanek, about 6 months ago.
[05:14] <compaqr4000> I really don't want to say this, but under XP, this machine barely made a noise with the fan unless I really pushed the machine with video.  Under Linux, it never gets that quiet.....ever.
[05:17] <Fritzel`> how would I enable ssh on hardy?
[05:17] <compaqr4000> I know that it is compaq at fault here for only writing XP solutions to their power/heat management issues
[05:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> kelsa|martalli: /var/log/dmesg.0 and dmesg.*.gz
[05:20] <WGGMk> I installed gfxboot grub and it doesnt work. Anyone having a similar issue or is this a known issue?
[05:20] <kelsa|martalli> Daisuke_Laptop: There they are, but they are not recording any of the failed boot attempts
[05:20] <kelsa|martalli> I want to post something cogent to launchpad, not just "Dell fail, sons cry"
[05:22] <cybojanek> compaqr4000: The fans dont get quiet, becasue ubuntu doesnt have fan control enabled by default
[05:22] <cybojanek> compaqr4000: It runs all of them at max
[05:22] <cybojanek> compaqr4000: Try and apt-cache search for fan control
[05:23] <compaqr4000> cybojanek, my throttles up and down.  Just not to the extreme that xp did
[05:25] <kelsa|martalli> Daisuke_Laptop: /var/log/messages looks more like the output I am seeing when the boot fail, but none of the messages there (even int he gzipped files) looks like the right error message
[05:27] <compaqr4000> cybojanek, and there are more issues with this laptop
[05:28] <MrKeuner> can I log vino connections(attempts)?
[05:28] <compaqr4000> cybojanek, like starting to type and all of a sudden your typing position is moved to a totally differnt place.  At random and it happens frequently.
[05:29] <compaqr4000> cybojanek, it may be that the Compaq R400 is one of those laptops that should just not be used with Linux
[05:30] <kadko> Hello i get a problem while ubuntu hardy load in normal mode, when i chose to start that SO i get a msg like Kernel Panic Unable to loading on root (0,0) what can i do?
[05:32] <tacone> guys, I have pulse audio, gstreamer e and flash not working. can someone help me ?
[05:33] <andre_> somebody can help me with Xorg ?
[05:34] <x1250> sure, but dont ask for help, just say what's the problem...
[05:37] <andre_> i just can see 800x600, my driver is  K8M890 [Chrome9] i always used the VESA generic driver and always could get 1024x768@60 but after last update i dont know what happend here is my xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/m591c86b6
[05:37] <andre_> by now i just can get 800x600
[05:38] <andre_> ubuntu show me a warning about low performance driver graphics, i tested my monitor LCD Panel 1024x768 it runs ok but in gdm and gnome it does not work
[05:39] <andre_> my driver is  K8M890 [Chrome9]
[05:39] <x1250> try backuping your xorg.conf and then run # dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg, IIRC, that sould attempt to configure all by itself, if it can...
[05:41] <andre_> yes i did it 2 times it did not work =/
[05:41] <DanaG> Is there a real driver for Chrome9?
[05:41] <x1250> andre_: did you set vertical and horizontal refresh for your LCD on xorg?
[05:43] <andre_> DanaG, theres one for K8M800 but not for K8M890
[05:43] <andre_> DanaG, it does not work i tried it =/
[05:43] <Killeroid> goodnight folks
[05:43] <DanaG> Dang, that sucks.
[05:43] <andre_> x1250, let me see here
[05:45] <andre_> some one can give me the name of utilitary (GUI) on ubuntu i can choose the video-driver? in 8.04 is different from 7.10 =/
[05:45] <andre_> x1250, http://pastebin.com/m591c86b6 here is my xorg
[05:49] <andre_> i would be so thankfu if somebody could gimme a way to solve this problem, in SuSe10.3 the generic driver (vesa) works fine and i can get 1024x768 only in ubuntu 8.04 iv this problem =/
[05:49] <x1250> andre_: that was generated by reconfiguring xorg?
[05:49] <andre_> x1250, no i made this one
[05:49] <ayllu> hi someone know how to configure a ipaq for copy files
[05:50] <andre_> x1250, i can generate a new one and show u
[05:50] <DanaG> Hmm: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenChrome
[05:50] <x1250> andre_: ok
[05:51] <andre_> x1250, whats the diference in generating a xorg.conf with dexconf and dpkg-reconfigure ?
[05:51] <DanaG>  I wonder... why are there both snd-oxygen AND snd-virtuoso?  Aren't they the same chip?
[05:51] <x1250> andre_: don't know about dexconf, haven't heard of it
[05:51] <bullgard4> In what respect is the Hardy version of the Tracker program improved compared with Gutsy?
[05:52] <andre_> x1250, it curious... when i run this command recommended by the comment in xorg.conf it generates a new xorg.conf
[05:53] <x1250> it should, yes
[05:53] <Black_Magic_> Does anyone know how to make firefox go to Google when i type something like HAHA into the URL Spot
[05:53] <Black_Magic_> instead of guide.opendns.com
[05:53] <Black_Magic_> and search there?
[05:53] <Black_Magic_> in ephy it does but i dont get why not in firefox
[05:53] <compaqr4000> I cannot get my restricted drivers to work, anyone else with that issue?  Or maybe a solution?
[05:54] <andre_> x1250, http://pastebin.com/m7d735035 pls if u could look it it is the new xorg.conf
[05:56] <x1250> andre_: if that doesn't work try adding the refresh rates for the monitor. See what they are in the monitor's manual
[05:57] <andre_> x1250, ok
[06:01] <tacone> hello, I've upgraded fromm gutsy. Pulse audio is not working, while alsa is. Can anyone help me to spot the problem ?
[06:02] <bullgard4> tacone: "is not working" is no precise description.
[06:02] <tacone> not really yes. I just tried the test buttons under preferences->sound and only alsa works. pulse don't. nor autodetect
[06:03] <tacone> also choosing pulseaudio in the multimedia chooser, makes gstreamer not work anymore (it plays at 1 frame per second)
[06:04] <tacone> bullgard4: not working means no sound :-)
[06:04] <crimsun> neither of those are precise.
[06:04] <crimsun> first, which ALSA audio driver is used?
[06:04] <crimsun> second, what's the debug spew in ~/.xsession-errors for PA?
[06:05] <tacone> ok
[06:05] <crimsun> third, is pulseaudio actually running when you open a Terminal in a GNOME session?
[06:05] <crimsun> fourth, does `paplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav' play audibly to completion?
[06:06] <tacone> crimsun: cat ~/.xsession-errors  | grep pulse -I reports nothing
[06:06] <tacone> 1) I don't know which alsa audio driver, how to spot ?
[06:07] <crimsun> tacone: no, I'd need all of ~/.xsession-errors pastebinned
[06:07] <tacone> 3)  I don't understand what you mean precisely. if I open a gnome terminal and grep ps aux I can see 2 processes
[06:08] <crimsun> tacone: also, `cat /proc/asound/modules'
[06:08] <rbanffy> Hi folks. What would be needed to use the Virtual Machine Manager on a box with no hardware support for that? BTW, the OpenVZ kernels crash badly on this notebook.
[06:08] <crimsun> tacone: ps -C pulseaudio>&/dev/null;echo $?
[06:08] <tacone> gosh, it's huge :)
[06:10] <tacone> crimsun: I am trying to pastebine it , but it's likely to be to big
[06:11] <tacone> its 196kb, mostly gnome-panel errors (something about a custom theme, I guess)
[06:11] <tacone> crimsun:  proc/asound/modules: 0 snd_hda_intel
[06:12] <tacone> crimsun:  ps -C pulseaudio>&/dev/null;echo $? reports 0
[06:12] <tacone> crimsun: sorry, it took a while to get this pasted: http://pastebin.com/m2a139bba
[06:16] <Ziroday> How do I install amarok 2?
[06:16] <Black_Magic> if i want java is gcj required the regular package?
[06:16] <andre_> x1250, i just want to say thank you but it did not work i will go back to SuSe... Ubuntu 8.04 does not like work with my video driver. Tks, Bye!
[06:17] <crimsun> tacone: I'm still waiting for feedback from the fourth question.
[06:17] <tacone> oh
[06:17] <Black_Magic> gcj-base
[06:17] <x1250> andre_: what video card?
[06:17] <Ziroday> anyone?
[06:17] <tacone> 4) no sound
[06:17] <tacone> sorry crimsun
[06:18] <andre_> x1250,  K8M890 [Chrome9]
[06:18] <crimsun> tacone: whereas aplay works fine?
[06:18] <crimsun> tacone: (e.g., `aplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav')
[06:18] <tacone> crimsun: I hear no sound
[06:19] <crimsun> tacone: so both aplay /and/ paplay are inaudible?
[06:19] <tacone> sorry
[06:19] <tacone> aplay works
[06:19] <tacone> paplay don't
[06:19] <andre_> i put the vertical and horizontal data in the xorg.conf, put the resolution in the screend and monitor sessions, but it didnt work, i used the reconfigure option of dpkg it did not work too... i change the type of driver: to VIA, VGA, VESA e OpenChrome no one of them did work,..
[06:19] <crimsun> tacone: does paplay give a prompt back, or does it appear to hang?
[06:19] <tacone> no prompy
[06:19] <tacone> no output, no prompt back
[06:20] <crimsun> tacone: ok, interrupt it (ctrl+c)
[06:20] <tacone> also I should tell that evene gstreamer had problems when setting system to use pulse audio. it was terrificly slow
[06:20] <tacone> crimsun: ok
[06:21] <crimsun> tacone: pkill pulseaudio;pulseaudio -v
[06:21] <crimsun> tacone: set all audio gconf values to their defaults
[06:21] <tacone> how ? gconf editor ?
[06:22] <tacone> http://pastebin.com/m55318508
[06:22] <crimsun> tacone: or, revert any changes you made via System> Preferences> Sound  (and also `gstreamer-properties' if necessary)
[06:23] <tacone> ok
[06:24] <tacone> have you seen in the last pastebin these lines ?
[06:24] <tacone> E: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device hw:0: Device or resource busy
[06:24] <tacone> E: module.c: Failed to load  module "module-alsa-sink" (argument: "device_id=0 sink_name=alsa_output.pci_8086_293e_sound_card_0_alsa_playback_0"): initialization failed.
[06:25] <crimsun> yes, I saw it
[06:25] <tacone> ok I reverted everything I could find
[06:25] <xtknight> is there a way to tell the linux kernel to always look in /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/extra/kvm instead of /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/kernel/arch/x86/kvm/ , for instance?
[06:25] <crimsun> now, pastebin `sudo lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*'
[06:26] <tacone> http://pastebin.com/m5ecd3408
[06:26] <crimsun> oh geez.
[06:27] <tacone> what happens ?
[06:27] <crimsun> so kill audacious, virtualbox, aplay, and pulseaudio.
[06:27] <tacone> lol, ok
[06:27] <DanaG> Shut down any VMs first.
[06:27] <crimsun> obviously pulseaudio won't work in its default config if any other apps open the device before it does.
[06:28] <tacone> what should I do now ?
[06:28] <tacone> repeat kill pulse and pulse -v ?
[06:28] <crimsun> did you kill all the apps I mentioned above?
[06:29] <tacone> yes, but even so I have chat app open.
[06:29] <tacone> http://pastebin.com/m1ff3cccf
[06:29] <crimsun> good, now try the paplay command.
[06:30] <tacone> wow
[06:30] <tacone> (means I hear sound)
[06:31] <tacone> so what is happening ? my system doesn't load pulseaudio at boot ?
[06:32] <crimsun> tacone: do you have "Enable software sound mixing" enabled (checked/ticked) in System> Preferences> Sound
[06:32] <tacone> yes I do
[06:32] <tacone> err
[06:33] <tacone> yes it's checked
[06:33] <crimsun> ok, and do you have the Flash plugin installed?
[06:33] <tacone> yes, and sound works now
[06:33] <tacone> (before it didn't)
[06:34] <crimsun> ok, so now make sure you have audacious-plugins-extra installed, and use its pulse plugin
[06:35] <tacone> ok I have it.
[06:35] <tacone> I had to set it to pulse.
[06:35] <crimsun> for xine, make sure you have libxine1-gnome installed, and choose esd compatibility
[06:35] <tacone> crimson, I still have pulse -v active..
[06:36] <crimsun> (same for vlc if you use that app)
[06:36] <crimsun> everything else that uses GStreamer should work by default provided you use 'auto'
[06:36] <tacone> will pulse start properly at reboot ?
[06:36] <crimsun> at next login, it should.  Go ahead and ctrl+c the running `pulseaudio -v', then log out and back in.
[06:37] <tacone> ok
[06:37] <tacone> I'll be here again in a second
[06:37] <pen> I can't make splashy work
[06:38] <pen> it crashed with SIGSEGV in splashy_stop_splash()
[06:38] <tacone> wow, works
[06:38] <tacone> crimsun: what was the problem ?
[06:38] <crimsun> tacone: all those other apps had the device open.  See the explanation I gave previously, too.
[06:39] <tacone> ok.
[06:39] <tacone> so, thank you very much
[06:40] <crimsun> np.  Is this straight from a dist-upgrade?  i.e., have you rebooted?
[06:41] <xtknight> what's the deal with pulse audio?  is it installed by default?  if so, how come?
[06:41] <tacone> not straight, I have rebooted a good number of times.
[06:41] <tacone> crimsun: but I had upgrade problems.
[06:41] <DanaG> And why is the default installation so incomplete?
[06:41] <tacone> apt-get -d gave up.
[06:41] <DanaG> Oh yeah, for some reason, PulseAudio doesn't do a very good job at remembering where I put streams.
[06:41] <crimsun> xtknight: it is installed and enabled by default.
[06:41] <crimsun> DanaG: that's not just PA's fault; it's also libgnome.
[06:42] <pen> anyone using splashy?
[06:42] <tacone> I had to reboot and gnome was barely *working*. So I apt-getted ubuntu-destkop, and adjusted where I could.
[06:42] <DanaG> Try this: use two sound cards; put media-player app on second card.  Now shut down for the night and start again, without the second card, and start playing music.
[06:42] <xtknight> crimsun,  it just seems like extra overhead to me.  is there an advantage to it?
[06:42] <DanaG> Reinsert the second card -- the stream doesn't move.
[06:42] <xtknight> at least from a user's perspective
[06:42] <crimsun> xtknight: realtime migration of sound streams across audio devices (independent of local/remote), per-stream volume control
[06:43] <xtknight> crimsun, does hardy implement these features on the UI level?
[06:43] <crimsun> xtknight: yes, rather poorly
[06:44] <xtknight> oh you have to install that padsp or w/e it is dont you?
[06:44] <crimsun> xtknight: no, you simply install pavucontrol
[06:44] <xtknight> apparently ALSA works along with pulseaudio now?  audacious here is using alsa and it's working fine
[06:44] <crimsun> xtknight: the controls are way suboptimal, which is one reason they're not included by default
[06:45] <crimsun> xtknight: PA relinquishes the device after inactivity.
[06:45] <crimsun> you can also forcibly accomplish that with `pasuspender -- someapp'.
[06:46] <crimsun> DanaG: I think I've explained - PA fails to account for saved sink/source states having disappeared across sessions
[06:46] <crimsun> DanaG: pavucontrol also fails to properly update any callbacks to /set/ the sink/source states
[06:47] <xtknight> apparently my pulseaudio isnt enabled by default
[06:47] <xtknight> audacious wont output w/ pulseaudio plugin hmm
[06:47] <xtknight> init.d/pulseaudio is started
[06:48] <crimsun> xtknight: if you 1) don't have pulseaudio-esound-compat and pulseaudio, or 2) don't have "Enable software sound mixing" enabled in System> Preferences> Sound, it won't be enabled.
[06:48] <xtknight> crdlb,  so then it wouldnt be enabled by default for most people, right?
[06:48] <crimsun> xtknight: also, we don't use the initscript on -desktop.  It's disabled by default for reasons documented in README.Debian.
[06:48] <xtknight> sorry .. crimsun ^
[06:48] <xtknight> or am i justlucky to have HW mixing available
[06:49] <xtknight> well anyways i satisfy those three criteria, it doesnt work here
[06:49] <xtknight> the daemon doesn't appear to be started
[06:50] <crimsun> xtknight: if you have hardware pcm multiopen (which is different to HW mixing, BTW!), the server feature is kinda moot
[06:50] <xtknight> ya i'm pretty confused, everyone's having trouble with pulseaudio and stuff and i dont even see traces of mine being started yet
[06:51] <crimsun> xtknight: so give me the real output
[06:51] <xtknight> well "pavucontrol" gives me "E: shm.c: shm_open() failed: Permission denied"
[06:52] <macogw> xtknight: try with sudo?
[06:52] <xtknight> eliminates that problem, then it stops with (pavucontrol:29323): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_main_quit: assertion `main_loops != NULL' failed
[06:53] <crimsun> I don't think I've made it clear: unless you're running an LTSP server (ala Edubuntu), DO NOT use the system-wide mode.
[06:53] <crimsun> that means DON'T enable pulseaudio via the initscript.
[06:53] <xtknight> didnt think i should use sudo anyway but just tested
[06:53] <xtknight> i type pulseaudio this is what happens http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[06:54] <crimsun> the only supported method for hardy is per-user GNOME session
[06:54] <eklof> yay, finally my "no-internets-after-resume-from-sleep-issue" is fixed in the latest updates !! Nice.
[06:54] <xtknight> if i'm not suppoesd to type that i'm not sure what debug messages you want
[06:54] <crimsun> which means that it's invoked via ESD compatibility
[06:54] <crimsun> xtknight: I presume you actually meant another URL.
[06:55] <xtknight> crimsun, woops my bad http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62997/
[06:55] <xtknight> strange
[06:55] <xtknight> audacious works now
[06:55] <xtknight> because pulseaudio is actually running.
[06:56] <swuboo> What is pulseaudio, out of curiosity?
[06:56] <xtknight> despite those errors, but anyway pulseaudio wasnt started by default
[06:56] <crimsun> if you're testing in a VM, it can be all sorts of broken.
[06:56] <xtknight> crimsun, oh no that's some other crap
[06:56] <xtknight> host hardy amd64 here
[06:56] <xtknight> i mean not running linux in vm
[06:57] <xtknight> ok i guess my question is why the pulseaudio scripts didn't start my pulseaudio by default, and should i file a bug forit?
[06:57] <crimsun> xtknight: ok, so use the lsof command from above.
[06:58] <crimsun> xtknight: /etc/init.d/pulseaudio is a red herring for you.  You're supposed to use esd compatibility.
[06:58] <xtknight> crimsun, i had that enabled before i tried init.d
[06:58] <pen_> is usplash themes compatible with splashy?
[06:58] <xtknight> sorry which lsof command?
[06:59] <Cts|359> So, any chance that somebody here has been able to get Icecast and IDJC to play nice on hardy?
[07:00] <jscinoz> is it just me or is totem's DVB support horribly broken>
[07:00] <crimsun> xtknight: sudo lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*
[07:00] <crimsun> xtknight: gconftool --get /desktop/gnome/sound/enable_esd
[07:01] <xtknight> crimsun, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62998/
[07:01] <xtknight> (this is after running 'pulseaudio' manually)
[07:02] <crimsun> xtknight: dpkg -l pulseaudio-esound-compat|grep ^ii
[07:02] <xtknight> ii  pulseaudio-esound-compat                   0.9.10-1ubuntu1                                    PulseAudio ESD compatibility layer
[07:04] <crimsun> xtknight: please reproduce it with a new user who is in the audio group
[07:04] <xtknight> crimsun, ok he doens't need to be admin does he?
[07:04] <crimsun> nope
[07:06] <xtknight> crimsun, i don't see an "audio" group in Manage Groups.  is that a problem?
[07:06] <crimsun> no
[07:07] <echinos> anyone else having problems with gnome-settings-daemon failing?
[07:09] <xtknight> crimsun, seems to work on my new acct
[07:10] <xtknight> well god knows what i messed up w/ the old one, gvfs doesnt work either.  i had migrated my home directory (note: tried to)
[07:12] <Zoem> Hi, I'm trying to find an easy way to configure my mouse button actions, any suggestions?
[07:12] <xtknight> Zoem, like the side buttons?
[07:12] <Zoem> yes
[07:12] <Zoem> right now, it's acting like an extra mouse1 except in firefox
[07:13] <xtknight> unless something changed and i didn't notice, you'll probably have to edit xorg.conf and stuff
[07:13] <Zoem> hmmm
[07:13] <Zoem> well, it's recognized, so I think my xorg.conf is ok
[07:13] <Zoem> I'm looking to change the behaviours
[07:13] <xtknight> Zoem, what mouse model?
[07:13] <Zoem> logitech g5
[07:14] <xtknight> same here
[07:14] <Fritzel`> how can I enable ssh or telnet to my machine?
[07:14] <xtknight> i haven't done anything w/ mine yet
[07:14] <Zoem> Fritzel`, start an ssh (telnet is not recomended) server
[07:14] <xtknight> Zoem, anyway you can type xev, i think the ones that show output in xev do not require xorg modification.  at least two of my buttons aren't picked up by xev, though
[07:15] <Fritzel`> ok I guess what I'm asking is what is one called?
[07:15] <Zoem> xev doesn't get the side to side scroll
[07:15] <xtknight> Fritzel`, openssh-server
[07:15] <Fritzel`> thank you
[07:15] <xtknight> and then goto system->Admin->Services turn on openssh
[07:15] <Zoem> sorry, couldn't remember off the top of my head
[07:15] <xtknight> Zoem, ya it doesnt get the speed adjuster or the button below tha teither
[07:15] <Fritzel`> that's alrigth I appreciate the answer none the less
[07:15] <xtknight> the + and - buttons
[07:16] <xtknight> i dont know if you still have to use evdev
[07:16] <Zoem> xtknight, well, I am happy with the hardware resolutions, but I would like to use my back button for something usefull
[07:16] <Fritzel`> openssh-server is not in the repos (or does adept not show all the repos? I've had something show up on the console but not in adept before)
[07:16] <xtknight> Zoem, eh yeah i dont really know the "standard" answer for that one
[07:17] <xtknight> Zoem, if it's not picked up in xev i think you need to edit xorg, unless you dont care about those buttons
[07:17] <Fritzel`> and that seems to be the case this time too
[07:17] <xtknight> !info openssh-server
[07:17] <ubotu> openssh-server (source: openssh): secure shell server, an rshd replacement. In component main, is optional. Version 1:4.7p1-8ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 245 kB, installed size 652 kB
[07:17] <xtknight> well it's in main
[07:17] <Fritzel`> yeah I see that
[07:18] <Zoem> package name openssh-server
[07:18] <xtknight> Fritzel`, have you tried the various logitech g5 guides for prev. versions of ubuntu, on HardY
[07:18] <Fritzel`> it installed via apt-get do you happen to know why something wouldn't show up in adept but would with apt-get? they pull from the same repo's right?
[07:18] <xtknight> ?
[07:18] <Zoem> in metapackage ssh
[07:18] <xtknight> sorry
[07:18] <xtknight> meant above msg for Zoem
[07:18] <ethana2> have they fixed evolution data server yet?
[07:18] <Fritzel`> no worries
[07:18] <xtknight> Fritzel`, adept may be like add/remove apps... a terse version of the full thing
[07:18] <ethana2> It keeps going all 100% cpu
[07:18] <ethana2> on all our machines
[07:18] <ethana2> No one in my family uses anything but webmail
[07:19] <Zoem> xtknight, all the ones I have seen go up to getting buttons recognized, not changing behaviour
[07:19] <xtknight> Zoem, yeah..hmm.
[07:19] <ethana2> on my dual seat, I try to keep one user always logged out
[07:19] <ethana2> just because of evolution
[07:19] <xtknight> Zoem, so for instance is the thing you wnat to do something listed in gnome-keybinding-properties?
[07:19] <xtknight> or a command to run?
[07:19] <xtknight> then you can probably map it easy
[07:19] <xtknight> if it's "go back in FF" i dont know how to do that.
[07:20] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/173833
[07:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173833 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev "evdev mouse fails on hardy: cannot open input pEvdev" [Medium,Fix released]
[07:20] <Zoem> xtknight, I actually want it to have a context dependant behaviour, like a back button should
[07:20] <xtknight> =/
[07:20] <xtknight> Zoem, what does back do in anything except IE?
[07:20] <xtknight> on windows that is
[07:21] <Zoem> lol, good point
[07:21] <Zoem> mostly, I want to have it as a back button in opera
[07:21] <xtknight> i think it might do something useless in explorer that misinterprets it or something
[07:21] <xtknight> but yeah
[07:21] <xtknight> nice to work in both ff+opera.  sadly i dont know if that's possible
[07:22] <Zoem> lol
[07:22] <xtknight> seems like GNOME would have a standard "back" function
[07:22] <xtknight> i dont think side scroll is implemented whatsoever
[07:22] <Zoem> this seems like a perenial problem, too. Mice have always been a pain
[07:22] <xtknight> it's a pretty sorry state of affairs
[07:22] <xtknight> yea
[07:22] <xtknight> which is why i had no answer for you
[07:22] <DanaG> horizontal scroll is implemented..... but by default, Firefox interprets it as "back"
[07:22] <xtknight> as much as it sounded like i was probing you to annoy you, i just have no answer :p
[07:22] <DanaG> and "forward"
[07:23] <Zoem> lol, it's ok xtknight
[07:23] <Zoem> firefox works ok
[07:23] <xtknight> well i dont think side scroll itself is implemented,,, (0xaa->move scrollbar left, 0xbb->move scrollbar right)
[07:23] <xtknight> there's nothing
[07:23] <xtknight> no infratructure
[07:23] <Zoem> except that it's super unstable
[07:24] <Zoem> btw, you guys rock
[07:24] <xtknight> evdev crashed everytime i tried it
[07:24] <xtknight> brought my whole system down lol
[07:24] <DanaG> Lovely:  "Remove all of evdev_brain.c and all callers."
[07:24] <Zoem> the official opera channel hasn't answered my query from 25 min ago
[07:24] <DanaG> What the heck were they thinking... removing essentially ALL configurability!
[07:25] <xtknight> right people, right time
[07:25] <DanaG> AArgh,  WHY>
[07:25] <DanaG> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=443292
[07:25] <ubotu> Debian bug 443292 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev "Mouse: cannot open input pEvdev" [Important,Open]
[07:25] <ethana2> yarrrr
[07:25] <ethana2> my kodac c433 isn't showing up
[07:25] <ethana2> kodak*
[07:26] <xtknight> > Just like programs interpret buttons 4 and 5 as vertical scrolling,
[07:26] <xtknight> > they interpret 6 and 7 as the horizontal scrollers. GTK, mozilla,
[07:26] <xtknight> > galeon, and firefox all go by this principal
[07:26] <ethana2> Anybody having problems with digital cameras?
[07:26] <xtknight> Zoem, so i guess i get from that you need to map the horiz scroll has buttons 6 and 7?
[07:26] <xtknight> donno if that works
[07:27] <Zoem> xtknight, I think this my be an opera issue, because it's not putting any of my mouse configurations into effect
[07:27] <xtknight> Zoem, well horiz scroll doesnt work in FF either does it?
[07:27] <Zoem> ethana2, I've not seen any problems with cameras
[07:27] <xtknight> mine doesn't
[07:28] <Zoem> xtknight, I honestly don't know, because I almost never see any side scrolling
[07:28] <xtknight> Zoem, http://nablasquared.wordpress.com/2007/12/31/logitech-g5-refresh-xorg-and-firefox/
[07:28] <Zoem> ethana2, it might be that the new mount is not showing up, though. I have had problems like that on my phone
[07:28] <xtknight> Option “HWHEELRelativeAxisButtons” “7 6″
[07:28] <xtknight> weird
[07:28] <xtknight> must be evdev only
[07:28] <ethana2> Zoem: yes.
[07:29] <ethana2> Zoem: that's it
[07:29] <ethana2> lsusb shows it
[07:29] <xtknight> ethana2, does f-spot show the camera?
[07:29] <ethana2> I'll check
[07:29] <Zoem> in which case, open places->Computer and hit the reload button
[07:29] <xtknight> the new mount seems like it was slapped on
[07:30] <xtknight> whole windows open when you double clikc in a file chooser, etc
[07:30] <xtknight> weird
[07:30] <ethana2> 'could not claim the usb device'
[07:30] <ethana2> f-spot saw it alright
[07:30] <xtknight> hmm permissions?
[07:31] <ethana2> dual seat rig.
[07:31] <ethana2> permissions are my bane
[07:31] <xtknight> so own the file usinga group and put the two users in a group
[07:31] <ethana2> gksu nautilus doesn't see it
[07:31] <Zoem> ooh, this is new
[07:31] <ethana2> refresh does nothing
[07:31] <Zoem> my camera is not showing up now either
[07:31] <ethana2> two machines now
[07:31] <xtknight> wel let me check mine :p
[07:32] <xtknight> didnt even try
[07:32] <ethana2> at my house
[07:32] <ethana2> yours is three
[07:32] <ethana2> i can check my third
[07:32] <ethana2> but I already know what to expect
[07:32] <Zoem> fspot sees it and can't open it, either
[07:32] <ethana2> yes
[07:32] <ethana2> can't claim the usb device
[07:32] <xtknight> woohoo for regressions
[07:32] <ethana2> ohhhhhhhh
[07:33] <ethana2> this a gvfs move thing?
[07:33] <ethana2> ...or is this more recent than that?
[07:33] <Zoem> but now it sees my phone very easily
[07:34] <xtknight> i plugged in my camera, absolutely nothing pops up
[07:34] <xtknight> gutsy used to tell me , do you want to import your photos?
[07:34] <ethana2> xtknight: when did you ..
[07:34] <ethana2> has anyone here used a camera with hardy yet?
[07:34] <xtknight> just 5 secs ago
[07:34] <ethana2> ...successfully?
[07:34] <xtknight> ethana2, f-spot gets mine
[07:34] <Zoem> I used it about a week ago
[07:35] <ethana2> xtknight: what brand?
[07:35] <xtknight> kodak DX4530
[07:35] <Zoem> did not show the mount at first, after represh it worked fine
[07:35] <ethana2> Kodak EasyShare C433 here
[07:35] <xtknight> i dont know.  im on a really new user acct right now
[07:35] <xtknight> maybe default user acct has issues or something
[07:35] <Zoem> I have an intel pocket camera from 2001, if it's a driver issue, it's a pretty major one
[07:35] <xtknight> type "groups"
[07:35] <ethana2> k
[07:35] <Zoem> (like they lost all camera drivers at all)
[07:36] <xtknight> works with: andy3 adm dialout fax cdrom floppy tape audio dip video plugdev scanner fuse
[07:36] <pen_> is usplash themes compatible with splashy?
[07:36] <ethana2> ethan adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin admin pulse-access sambashare
[07:36] <pen_> is usplash themes compatible with splashy?
[07:36] <DanaG> Nope.
[07:36] <DanaG> They're quite extremely different.
[07:37] <Zoem> hmmmm
[07:38] <Zoem> camera thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4574624
[07:38] <xtknight> there was a good hal mount debug cmd, can't find it
[07:38] <ethana2> by the way
[07:38] <ethana2> brother printers have gpl drivers
[07:38] <ethana2> ...and they don't Just Work in my case
[07:39] <ethana2> DCP-7020 is actually just a scanner and a HL-1250
[07:39] <ethana2> it tries to use the DCP-7025 driver
[07:39] <ethana2> ....which is completely and totally different
[07:39] <xtknight> well there was some insane (no pun intended) scanner regression too
[07:39] <ethana2> ..the scanner has a gpl driver too
[07:39] <ethana2> doesn't Just Work either
[07:41] <xtknight> now the question is, why does f-spot work for me and not you?
[07:41] <Black_Magic> anyone know if hydra works with Hardy or not i compiled from source and i typed hydra in term it just returns the terminal xhydra works but if i press start i get errors so that doesnt work btw my reason is i have a couple servers that id like to test security on so if you can help please do
[07:41] <Zoem> oh, camera workaround
[07:42] <Zoem> ethana2, if you go to the launchpad bug on this issue, it lists two workarounds to get it to work again
[07:42] <Zoem> that bug is at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/206470
[07:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206470 in udev "udev - wrong permissions in udev rules for usb camera (dup-of: 189506)" [Undecided,New]
[07:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 189506 in gphoto2 "Normal user can't access USB camera Error (-53: 'Could not claim the USB device')" [Undecided,Fix released]
[07:43] <xtknight> fix released supposedly?
[07:43] <ethana2> Zoem: k..
[07:43] <Zoem> lol, don't believe it until your camera works :P
[07:43] <xtknight> make sure you apt-get update and everything
[07:43] <ethana2> oh no
[07:43] <xtknight> dpkg -s libgphoto2-2|grep Version
[07:43] <ethana2> ..it says to replace something in this file
[07:43] <ethana2> that does not exist.
[07:44] <xtknight> ethana2, what's the above cmd say
[07:44] <ethana2> but I do see SUBSYSTEMS=="usb",			GROUP="plugdev"
[07:44] <ethana2> ok, running
[07:44] <xtknight> ubuntu6 should have the fix
[07:44] <ethana2> Version: 2.4.0-8ubuntu6
[07:44] <xtknight> oh
[07:45] <xtknight> System/Preferences/Removable Drives and Media/Digital Camera you can get autoplay to work at least
[07:45] <Black_Magic> Does Anyone Know?
[07:46] <ethana2> yarr, I told it to run nautilus when I connect a camera
[07:46] <ethana2> ...and it doesn't
[07:46] <Zoem> Black_Magic, you tried building it from source?
[07:46] <xtknight> ethana2, try sudo /etc/init.d/udev reload && sudo /etc/init.d/udev restart
[07:46] <Black_Magic> Zoem: Thats what i did >.>
[07:46] <ethana2> k
[07:46] <xtknight> then unplug, replug camera
[07:46] <ethana2> k
[07:46] <Zoem> then I would assume it doesn't work as of now
[07:46] <Black_Magic> Zoem: Do you have a Package or source i got the one i used from the site i can tell you the errors
[07:47] <ethana2> loading drivers...
[07:47] <ethana2> k
[07:47] <ethana2> plugging back in...
[07:47] <Zoem> Black_Magic, what kind of errors?
[07:47] <ethana2> gahh, still not seeing it
[07:47] <Black_Magic> From xhydra hydra command doesnt work :/
[07:48] <xtknight> ethana2, type lsusb, determine Bus xxx Device yyy.  then type cd ls -l /deb/bus/usb/xxx/yyy and report it
[07:48] <xtknight> er
[07:48] <ethana2> k
[07:48] <xtknight> type ls -l /dev/bus/usb/xxx/yyy   i mean
[07:48] <Zoem> Black_Magic, what is error message?
[07:48] <Black_Magic> Zoem: Pastebining it
[07:49] <xtknight> hell, my camera was set as root and it's fine. crw-rw-r--+ 1 root root 189, 516 2008-04-13 02:48 /dev/bus/usb/005/005
[07:49] <Black_Magic> Zoem: http://pastebin.com/f7551d3f9
[07:50] <ethana2> Sorry, now I'm confused
[07:50] <ethana2> ..but I found the device
[07:50] <ethana2> /dev/bus/usb/003/007
[07:50] <xtknight> ls -l /dev/bus/usb/003/007
[07:50] <ethana2> is that an -l?
[07:50] <xtknight> yea
[07:50] <ethana2> ok, yeah
[07:50] <Zoem> Black_Magic, that's a build error?
[07:50] <ethana2> crw-rw-r-- 1 root root 189, 262 2008-04-12 22:47 007
[07:51] <ethana2> I was already in the directory
[07:51] <xtknight> strange yours is - mine is +
[07:51] <Black_Magic> Zoem: No thats from running xhydra and then going to press the start button
[07:51] <xtknight> dont even know what that means
[07:51] <xtknight> rather mine has an extra +
[07:51] <Black_Magic> it gives me that ALWAYS no matter how many times i recompile
[07:52] <Zoem> Black_Magic, I am not familiar with the source of hydra, but it looks like you have faulty source
[07:52] <Black_Magic> Zoem: Also the hydra file is an empty text file is that what its sopposed to be?
[07:52] <Black_Magic> Zoem: Would you happen to have one?
[07:52] <Zoem> Black_Magic, lol, I don't use script kiddie stuff, sorry
[07:52] <Black_Magic> Zoem: Not script kiddie
[07:53] <Black_Magic> its really a terminal thing
[07:53] <Black_Magic> but they added a GUI i really only use the terminal one but it doesnt work :/
[07:53]  * saltedlight hi. anyone know why ubuntu 8.04 identify ATA hard drives as SATA ?!? on every system ?!? is this a known bug or what?
[07:53] <Black_Magic> hydra just returns the thing...
[07:53] <xtknight> saltedlight, it's expected behavior since Feisty or gutsy i think
[07:53] <Zoem> lol, I'm not saying you are, but this app certainly is. You can't really test security by brute force password cracking
[07:53] <xtknight> saltedlight,  it's called libata
[07:53] <crimsun> and it's intentional.
[07:54] <Flannel> saltedlight: It's been that way since edgy (or feisty)
[07:54] <Black_Magic> Zoem: Yea You can if you can get into your system why cant someone else?
[07:54] <HorizonXP> man, why are the repos all messed up? I haven't been able to install updates for like 2 days now
[07:54] <Zoem> anyway, this looks like a faulty build or incomplete configure/make/install process. You should get new source and try again Black_Magic
[07:55] <Black_Magic> Zoem: Ive gotten about 36 new sources....none of witch worked but all were from THC-Hydra site
[07:55] <Zoem> perhaps from the thc-hydra project page, which offers a precompiled .deb
[07:55] <xtknight> i wonder how i get back the old gutsy behavior that asked me if i wanted to import photos automatically
[07:56] <Black_Magic> Zoem: Just source
[07:56]  * ethana2 runs updates
[07:56] <Zoem> xtknight, it seems like we are all trying to get some old gutsy behaviour back
[07:56] <xtknight> Zoem, lol i should just be glad my camera even works
[07:58] <ethana2> you should.
[07:58] <Zoem> Black_Magic, it looks like you are missing dictionaries
[07:58] <ethana2> My dual seat is always giving me wierd permission problems
[07:58]  * saltedlight after dist-upgrade ubuntu is not booting because I/O on SDA witch should be HDA and if i boot on the old kernel (found on grub menu) is ok... anyone know how to fix that?
[07:59] <Black_Magic> Zoem: I already made my Dictionaries....
[07:59] <Zoem> hmmm
[07:59] <Zoem> well, dunno
[08:00] <bennyf11> hello having issues with wifi
[08:00] <bennyf11> can anyone assist
[08:00] <pen> what is the best boot splash?
[08:00] <Zoem> bennyf11, what is problem?
[08:00] <Black_Magic> Zoem: Even if i do set a diffrent stuff i get that i have the libssh 11 thing someone else had that probem the libssh solved theres but not mines
[08:00] <pen> usplash or splashy?
[08:00] <Black_Magic> because i installed it already
[08:00] <bennyf11> zoem ive just upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04, having issues with wifi
[08:01] <Zoem> Black_Magic, sorry, I am not really familiar with hydra, so, I can't really tell
[08:01] <Black_Magic> Ok Then
[08:02] <Black_Magic> thx for help anyways BTW if you didnt know about the program you didnt have to try and help ;)
[08:02] <Zoem> bennyf11, what kind of issues?
[08:02] <Zoem> Black_Magic, if it was just a build issue I prolly could have helped
[08:03] <Black_Magic> Second ill recompile and then give you output ;)
[08:03] <Black_Magic> just incase :P
[08:04] <Zoem> bennyf11, issues like you can't see wireless networks, and you are not aquiring ip addresses from the ones you put in manually?
[08:05] <bennyf11> i cannot find my wireless router
[08:05] <bennyf11> its not anywhere
[08:05] <xtknight> what bugs are on the docket for fixing by time of release?
[08:05] <Zoem> bennyf11, do you know the essid?
[08:05] <xtknight> bennyf11, what wireless adapter
[08:05] <bennyf11> i know essid
[08:05] <fraroco> I have a External HD and I conect it to my laptop it Mounted on X name but when I turn off and turn on the computer it mounted on X_ and each time I turn on the computer it mounted with _ more at name. what I have to do?
[08:05] <Black_Magic> Zoem: http://pastebin.com/f131c0035
[08:05] <xtknight> iwscan list
[08:06] <bennyf11> wireless adapter is broadcom 4311
[08:06] <xtknight> ah that uses b43 and ssb
[08:06] <xtknight> so modules load i assume tho..  lsmod |grep b43
[08:07] <Zoem> Black_Magic, other than it seems really short, I don't see any problems
[08:07] <bennyf11> rephrase, my wireless adaptor is the issue.
[08:07] <Black_Magic> Yea.....it has an error (ignored) thing in it tho
[08:08] <xtknight> Black_Magic, install libssh-2-dev
[08:08] <xtknight> unless you d/l libssh11 already
[08:08] <xtknight> might want only .11
[08:08] <Black_Magic> xtknight: i thought hydra only worked with .11
[08:08] <xtknight> no idea never even heard of it
[08:08] <Black_Magic> libssh-2-dev isnt backwards compatible with .11
[08:08] <Ayabara> after using Hardware Drivers to add the nVidia drivers and rebooting, I'm stuck in low graphics mode. I have a Dell XPS M1530 with a GeForce 8600M GT card. Anyone else with this card here?
[08:08] <Zoem> xtknight, remote dictionary passed password cracker
[08:09] <Black_Magic> acctually its mostly for local
[08:09] <xtknight> bennyf11, type sudo lshw -class network  and pastebin please
[08:11] <owen1> i mouted a folder on my server using dfs but it's gone after restart. any ideas?
[08:11] <owen1> mounted
[08:11] <Black_Magic> Ooh the make was short because i forgot to make clean
[08:11] <bennyf11>   *-network
[08:11] <bennyf11>        description: Network controller
[08:11] <bennyf11>        product: BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI
[08:11] <bennyf11>        vendor: Broadcom Corporation
[08:11] <bennyf11>        physical id: 0
[08:11] <bennyf11>        bus info: pci@0000:01:00.0
[08:11] <Ayabara> my xorg.conf when I'm stuck in low graphics mode: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63002/. would be nice if someone could take a look :-)
[08:11] <bennyf11>        version: 02
[08:12] <bennyf11>        width: 64 bits
[08:12] <bennyf11>        clock: 33MHz
[08:12] <bennyf11>        capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list
[08:12] <bennyf11>        configuration: driver=b43-pci-bridge latency=0 module=ssb
[08:12] <bennyf11>   *-network
[08:12] <lachlan_> hello i just updated to hardy beta any my PC freezes when i use firefox has anybody else had this problem?
[08:12] <bennyf11>        description: Ethernet interface
[08:12] <bennyf11>        product: RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+
[08:12] <bennyf11>        vendor: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
[08:12] <xtknight> !pastebin| bennyf11 please use this next time
[08:12] <bennyf11>        physical id: 1
[08:12] <ubotu> bennyf11 please use this next time: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[08:12] <bennyf11>        bus info: pci@0000:02:01.0
[08:12] <bennyf11>        logical name: eth1
[08:12] <bennyf11>        version: 10
[08:12] <bennyf11>        serial: 00:1b:38:3c:ea:3a
[08:12] <bennyf11>        size: 100MB/s
[08:12] <bennyf11>        capacity: 100MB/s
[08:12] <bennyf11>        width: 32 bits
[08:12] <bennyf11>        clock: 33MHz
[08:12] <bennyf11>        capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list ethernet physical tp mii 10bt 10bt-fd 100bt 100bt-fd autonegotiation
[08:12] <bennyf11>        configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=8139too driverversion=0.9.28 duplex=full ip=<IP_ADDRESS> latency=64 link=yes maxlatency=64 mingnt=32 module=8139too multicast=yes port=MII speed=100MB/s
[08:12] <bennyf11> sorry...... Im new to the IRC
[08:13] <bennyf11> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63003/
[08:13] <xtknight> anyway i think your b43 is detected
[08:13] <xtknight> bennyf11, so pastebin "iwlist scan" please
[08:13] <bennyf11> however i cannot connect to my wifi network
[08:13] <Zoem> Ayabara, what kind of video card do you have?
[08:14] <Ayabara> Zoem: nVidia GeForce 8600M GT
[08:14] <bennyf11> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63004/
[08:15] <xtknight> bennyf11, pastebin "sudo iwconfig eth1 up"
[08:15] <xtknight> may be wrong cmd i can't really remember
[08:15] <bennyf11> xtknight, error with command
[08:15] <xtknight> try ifconfig
[08:16] <Zoem> Ayabara, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63005/ look at the moniter and screen sections
[08:16] <x1250> bennyf11: does wifi-radar works? try it and see if it detects something
[08:16] <x1250> aptitude search wifi-radar
[08:16] <Zoem> Ayabara, are you using official nvidia driver?
[08:16] <xtknight> Ayabara, should probably run   gksu nvidia-settings and use it there
[08:16] <Zoem> I was just going to suggest that
[08:17] <xtknight> not all monitors use same modelines
[08:17] <Zoem> screen section was the important part
[08:17] <xtknight> my brand new one doesnt even use general timing, but nvidia should detect it from your monitor.
[08:17] <Ayabara> Zoem: yes. I have tried both enabling it with "Hardware Drivers", and downloading from nVidia's site and installing
[08:17] <bennyf11> x1250: wifi not work
[08:17] <xtknight> bennyf11, what does "sudo ifconfig eth1 up" do
[08:18] <bennyf11> no output
[08:18] <xtknight> bennyf11, and subsequently, "sudo dhclient eth1" ?
[08:18] <Ayabara> Zoem, xtknight: so.. install it again, and run 'gksu nvidia-settings' before I reboot?
[08:18] <xtknight> Ayabara, no reboot just run gksu nvidia-settings
[08:18] <Zoem> Ayabara, just run that now
[08:18] <xtknight> see if you can change res, etc
[08:18] <bennyf11> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63006/
[08:18] <xtknight> if so, press save to x config after applying it
[08:18] <xtknight> bennyf11, so your net is up?
[08:19] <Ayabara> xtknight, Zoem: even if I'm not using the nVidia driver atm? I reverted to the default xorg.conf
[08:19] <Zoem> oh
[08:19] <bennyf11> i am currently using net through ethernet cable
[08:19] <xtknight> Ayabara, please install nvidia,restart X,run gksu nvidia-settings
[08:19] <bennyf11> i need wireless funcitionality
[08:19] <xtknight> bennyf11, oh i see so eth1 is your wired?
[08:19] <xtknight> erghh
[08:19] <DanaG> !find r818x
[08:19] <ubotu> No packages matching 'r818x' could be found
[08:19] <bennyf11> must be
[08:19] <Ayabara> xtknight: on it
[08:19] <DanaG> !find r818x*.ko
[08:19] <ubotu> No packages matching 'r818x*.ko' could be found
[08:19] <Black_Magic> You guys make me sound evil thats exactly why i delayed asking for help here >.....
[08:19] <DanaG> !find rtl8180
[08:19] <ubotu> No packages matching 'rtl8180' could be found
[08:20] <xtknight> bennyf11, ya well i dont see an interface for your other one
[08:20] <Zoem> oh, I didn't want to make him sound evil. just pathetic
[08:20] <xtknight> haha
[08:20] <Zoem> that's what, 2 line script to do local password crack testing?
[08:20] <bennyf11> how do i install itnerface for other one
[08:20] <xtknight> bennyf11, it might be broken
[08:21] <xtknight> bennyf11, pastebin "dmesg" please
[08:21] <xtknight> bennyf11, and i also need the output of lsmod|grep ssb   and    lsmod |grep b43
[08:22] <TomW> ok, quick question: i am not getting any proper system sounds, only hardware beeps... is this a known problem?
[08:22] <bennyf11> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63007/
[08:22] <xtknight>  TomW  not a known problem for the rest of us , at least
[08:22] <TomW> hmm
[08:22] <xtknight> what kind of system sounds do you mean?
[08:22] <TomW> well i just got a new email
[08:23] <TomW> and it made a system beep.. every message.. all errors
[08:23] <xtknight> bennyf11, yes look at Sonics Silicon Backplane output.  looks like a crash to me
[08:23] <xtknight> oh
[08:23] <xtknight> TomW, type asoundconf lits
[08:23] <xtknight> asoundconf list
[08:23] <xtknight> do you have any sound cards enabled?
[08:24] <TomW> yeah, Intel
[08:24] <bennyf11> so.... huh???? its a hardware issue
[08:24] <xtknight> bennyf11, it's a problem with the current kernel not supporting your hardware, but not a problem with your hardware probably
[08:24] <TomW> music works though...
[08:25] <DanaG> asoundconf set-pulseaudio
[08:25] <xtknight> TomW, system->preferences->sound, do you have sound mixing enabled?
[08:25] <xtknight> software sound mixing esd
[08:25] <bennyf11> right
[08:25] <xtknight> bennyf11, try to find bugs on launchpad about it?
[08:25] <Ayabara> hmm. nvidia-settings was not automatically installed. is that normal?
[08:25] <Zoem> yes
[08:25] <Zoem> sadly
[08:25] <xtknight> !launchpad | bennyf11
[08:25] <ubotu> bennyf11: Launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[08:25] <xtknight> Ayabara,  sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings
[08:26] <bicyclist> There is a new beta nvidia driver out ! But still no brightness control for my sony vaio FZ31J
[08:26] <bennyf11> kk
[08:26] <Ayabara> xtknight: already there :-)
[08:26] <DanaG> new nvidia beta?  Link me to their page about it.
[08:26] <Zoem> bicyclist, I know, I have a 9600 gt, only way I can get drivers :)
[08:26] <TomW> @xtknight they are all set to autodetect.. what do you mean software sound mixing esd?
[08:27] <bicyclist> But they still have no fix for the brightness problem
[08:27] <xtknight> TomW, second tab
[08:27] <TomW> yes
[08:27] <TomW> its on
[08:27] <bennyf11> xtknight, why would it work on 7.10??
[08:27] <xtknight> bennyf11, i would report the bug on launchpad
[08:27] <Zoem> DanaG, http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-us
[08:27] <xtknight> bennyf11, because hardy deprecated the bcm43xx /fwcutter driver
[08:27] <xtknight> # replaced by b43 and ssb.
[08:27] <xtknight> blacklist bcm43xx
[08:28] <xtknight> and the new ones aren't up to par i guess?
[08:28] <TomW> @xtknight worked it i think - unchecked system beep lol
[08:28] <xtknight> TomW, ah hha hmm
[08:28] <bicyclist> Thanx Zoem, you where faster than me ;)
[08:28] <Ayabara> Zoem, xtknight: when I start nvidia settings it says "You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver ... run nvidia-xconfig as root and restart X server". I did that and still get the warning.
[08:28] <DanaG> Hmm, no changes relevant to 7600 series.
[08:28] <TomW> @xtknight cheers anyway :)
[08:28] <Zoem> hmmmm
[08:28] <xtknight> Ayabara, lsmod|grep nvidia
[08:29] <xtknight> and dmesg|grep nvidia
[08:29] <Ayabara> xtknight: nvidia               3934028  0
[08:29] <Ayabara> agpgart                34760  2 nvidia,intel_agp
[08:29] <xtknight> ok please dont paste too much if dmesg spits out a lot :)
[08:29] <xtknight> Ayabara, and    grep nvidia /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:29] <Ayabara> xtknight: I've been burned before :-)
[08:29] <Zoem> bicyclist, I told you, I live by those. have to re
[08:29] <Ayabara> dmesg says : nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel.
[08:29] <xtknight> ya that's ok
[08:30] <Zoem> bicyclist, re-install every kernel update, too ;)
[08:31] <Ayabara> xorg.conf gives two lines : Driver "nvidia" with  Modes "nvidia-auto-select"
[08:31] <DanaG> Look in /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common to disable nvidia
[08:31] <Ayabara> Zoem, xtknight, but.. wouldn't the active one be "failsafe" since I'm in low-graphics mode?
[08:31] <xtknight> Ayabara, eh are you?
[08:32] <Zoem> yes
[08:32] <xtknight> not sure when .failsafe is invoked exactly
[08:32] <Zoem> I would just go for the official nvidia drivers. but I like things easy rather than kosher :/
[08:32] <xtknight> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log|grep xorg.conf
[08:32] <xtknight> find out
[08:32] <Ayabara> xtknight: yes, after installing the nvidia driver I can get nowhere but low graphics mode
[08:32] <Ayabara> Zoem: the official drivers gave the same result :-/
[08:33] <Ayabara> DanaG: was your latest advice for me?
[08:33] <Zoem> Ayabara, you ran the binary from the nvidia web page?
[08:33] <xtknight> Ayabara,  cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log|grep xorg.conf
[08:33] <TomW> also, is transmission just a torrent client?
[08:33] <xtknight> TomW, yup
[08:33] <TomW> klkl
[08:33] <Ayabara> xtknight: using failsafe
[08:33] <xtknight> Ayabara, o thats a problem
[08:34] <Ayabara> xtknight: a tiny one :-)
[08:34] <xtknight> well maybe you need the latest beta nvidia ;)
[08:34] <xtknight> for 8600Mobile?
[08:34] <DanaG> Ayabara: yes -- that's what you need to do to prevent the boot scripts from trampling on the manually-installed nvidia.
[08:35] <xtknight> Ayabara,  oh well it says 8600 is supported by 169.12.  i'd just use the hardware manager in ubuntu to install drivers, then.
[08:35] <Ayabara> xtknight: that's the one I used with the same result. Enabling with "Restricted Drivers" in Gutsy worked, and it worked in Hardy after my dist-upgrade. Yesterday I had to reinstall Hardy, and here I am.
[08:36] <xtknight> Ayabara, didnt restricted drivers do it for hardy?
[08:36] <xtknight> i mean the hardware driver manager in administration
[08:37] <xtknight> if not then i don't know what's up
[08:37] <Ayabara> xtknight: no, but like I said exactly the same happens when I install the latest beta from nvidia
[08:37] <Zoem> Ayabara, after you install the beta from nvidia, do you have it auto-configure your xorg.conf?
[08:37] <bennyf11> xtknight, ist there any way to run the bcm43xx /fwcutter
[08:37] <xtknight> Ayabara, hopefully you don't have that borked nvidia update
[08:38] <xtknight> bennyf11, on hardy, i dont believe so.  might find some guide though
[08:38] <xtknight> Ayabara, one sec
[08:38] <xtknight> it was a kernel problem rather
[08:38] <xtknight> bug 215778
[08:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215778 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "2.6.24-16.30 kernel update - nvidia module fails to load" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215778
[08:38] <Ayabara> Zoem: yes, but it doesn't configure much.
[08:38] <Zoem> hmmm
[08:39] <DanaG> I still haven't installed the nvidia-glx-new update that's "in the pipe"
[08:39] <DanaG> No changelog.  Therefore, I won't install it.
[08:39] <Zoem> I won't install any driver that doesn't explicitly support my card
[08:40] <xtknight> Zoem, what do you mean?
[08:40] <DanaG> It's not like the Windows drivers, where you need laptopvideo2go.com.
[08:40] <Zoem> xtknight, nvidia 9600 gt isn't in official drivers yet
[08:41] <xtknight> Zoem, oh it's in betas only yaeh
[08:41] <xtknight> and probably wont be in ubuntu ever
[08:41] <xtknight> hardy ever, rather
[08:41] <Zoem> xtknight, the beta's for linux are 100x better than the official for windows, so I'm happy :)
[08:41] <xtknight> Zoem, haha ya
[08:41] <xtknight> Zoem, the control panel on windows sucks
[08:42] <Zoem> xtknight, lol, the way the card crashes after ~1 hour of gameplay sucks
[08:42] <Zoem> screen blacks, fans max speed, nvidia refuses to acknowledge there is a problem
[08:42] <Ayabara> xtknight: so the solution is to use an older kernel or try the ones from the nvidia site again?
[08:42] <xtknight> well i gotta take off
[08:42] <Ayabara> xtknight: thanks for helping
[08:42] <xtknight> Ayabara, basically reinstall your current kernel
[08:42] <xtknight> Ayabara, or download hardy release when it comes out, and it wont have that problem for SURE
[08:43] <Ayabara> heh
[08:43] <xtknight> i mean not the linux-ubuntu-modules issue that an update caused the other day
[08:43] <xtknight> cant guarnatee your nvidia will work
[08:44] <Ayabara> ok. my next Q now is of course: how do I reinstall my current kernel?
[08:44] <xtknight> Ayabara, sudo apt-get --reinstall install linux-image-`uname -r`
[08:45] <xtknight> and later, "sudo update-initramfs -u -k `uname -r`" and then "sudo update-grub"
[08:45] <xtknight> hopefully thatll do it.
[08:45] <Ayabara> xtknight: thanks. I'll try it. if it doesn't work, I'll go back to the default xorg.conf and wait a few days
[08:45] <DanaG> Hmm, seems like the only new changes in the -16 kernel are mostly virtio stuff.
[08:45] <xtknight> then reboot, then type "sudo depmod -a" for safety, and then attempt hardware manager
[08:46] <xtknight> or "vitrio" as he conveniently misspells it in the changelog
[08:46] <xtknight> ;)
[08:46] <xtknight> convenient for kvm though
[08:47] <lachlan_> hello is anybody else having firefox problems?
[08:48] <xtknight> what kind
[08:48] <lachlan_> when i loogin to nything my pc freezes
[08:48] <Lynoure> lachlan_: happily problemsless here
[08:48] <lachlan_> same problem occurs in Konqurer
[08:48] <xtknight> lachlan_, do you have amd64?
[08:49] <lachlan_> this is the 32bit version on a Q6600 intel
[08:49] <xtknight> lachlan_, so just opening firefox makes it freeze?
[08:50] <DanaG>   * UBUNTU: SAUCE: mmc: Increase power_up deleay to fix TI readers
[08:50] <DanaG> What is this Sauce it speaks of?  It makes me hungry.
[08:50] <lachlan_> no logging in to anything does so myspace or launchpad
[08:50] <xtknight> lachlan_, do you use kde?
[08:50] <lachlan_> nah gnome
[08:50] <xtknight> i was going to say, try clearing your cache, or maybe the password wallet in GNOME is messed up
[08:50] <lachlan_> i use some KDE apps
[08:51] <DanaG> can't say I know what virtio is.
[08:51] <lachlan_> well im entering the passwords and user names manually
[08:51] <xtknight> lachlan_, wow so same thing happins in konqeuror?
[08:52] <lachlan_> yeah
[08:52] <xtknight> i mean thats' pretty much a wallet problem of some kind.  konqueror doesnt use firefox at all
[08:52] <xtknight> or maybe some https issue, who knows
[08:52] <lachlan_> i will just check if its only logging in
[08:52] <xtknight> lachlan_, sorry man i gotta go
[08:53] <Lynoure> xtknight: konqueror uses kwallet... Or does it use gnome wallet on Gnome?
[08:53] <xtknight> no clue
[08:53] <xtknight> grasping for straws
[08:54] <Ayabara> xtknight, Zoem: and there it is :-D
[08:54] <Ayabara> thanks for helping
[08:54] <Lynoure> Unfortunately my first hunch would be some password-sending spyware, but my guesses tend to start at the nasty end
[08:54] <Zoem> lol, it was xtknight
[08:55] <Ayabara> Zoem: I agree he laid the final touch :-)
[08:55] <saurabh> i updated hardy using the package manager at night and now compiz won't start, please help
[08:56] <Zoem> saurabh, can you pastebin your xorg.conf?
[08:56]  * DanaG goes to bed now.
[08:56] <Zoem> nighn DanaG :)
[08:57] <saurabh> Zoem:  just a minute
[08:57] <TychoQuad> hi guys, quick question, when 8.04 final comes out, will I be upgraded to the final release, or will i be moved to the beta of the next release?
[08:57] <Lynoure> lachlan_: does the freeze just continue, or does is go away on it's own?
[08:59] <saurabh> Zoem: here is my xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/m5353f440
[08:59] <Ayabara> #join #ubuntu-effects
[08:59] <Ayabara> ooops
[09:00] <lachlan_> hey. i just found out that it happens when ever i go to a website
[09:00] <TomW> damn, now another problem.. vlc won't play anything
[09:00] <TomW> but it used to
[09:00] <Zoem> saurabh, do to system->administration->hardware drivers and tell me if you see anything there
[09:01] <Zoem> TomW, vlc wont' play anything?!?
[09:01] <TomW> yeah
[09:01] <danage> anybody know the bug where the mount directories under /media/ are not removed and you get (Name)_ and (Name)__ and (Name)___ and so forth?
[09:01] <Zoem> TomW, that's like, the sun not shining or something
[09:01] <TychoQuad> danage: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/101845
[09:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 101845 in hal "Automounted Volumes mount points change" [High,In progress]
[09:01] <saurabh> Zoem: if I try to start the effects, i lose the window decorations
[09:01] <TomW> yes i know...
[09:01] <TomW> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63010/
[09:02] <danage> TychoQuad: THANK YOU
[09:02] <TychoQuad> yw
[09:02] <DrUnKnMuNkY> does anyone here use synergy for keyboard/mouse sharing between 2 computers? i'm having lots of trouble with lag with mine currently
[09:02] <Zoem> saurabh, ah, you get the effects up ok then?
[09:02] <danage> ok, and another one: my bluetooth mouse disconnect after X minutes
[09:02] <saurabh> Zoem: no effects at all,
[09:02] <owen1> how to access trash form command line?
[09:02] <TychoQuad> DrUnKnMuNkY, yes I do, and so does 2 friends, one is having problems like you just described, so sorry, don't know :P
[09:03] <TomW> that was the output log for vlc: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63010/
[09:03] <Zoem> saurabh, hmmm, well, we can adress the window decorations easy
[09:03] <Zoem> saurabh, sudo apt-get install emerald
[09:03] <Zoem> emerald --replace
[09:03] <saurabh> Zoem: did that and tried to start effects again but to no avail
[09:03] <Zoem> hmmm ok
[09:03] <Zoem> what kind of vid card do you have?
[09:04] <TychoQuad> anyone know if my hardy will go final when it's released, or will it become the beta of the next release?
[09:04] <saurabh> Zoem:  Intel GMA 950
[09:04] <Lynoure> TychoQuad: hardy will stay hardy
[09:04] <Fritzel`> does anyone know why my cursor won't stay visible when moving over random windows?
[09:04] <DrUnKnMuNkY> TychoQuad, what setup are you using currently for synergy?
[09:04] <david>  what benefit would I get using emerald over standard?
[09:04] <Lynoure> TychoQuad: it's not like the Debian unstable in that respect. :)
[09:04] <Zoem> saurabh, interesting... I'll have to google real quick :)
[09:04] <saurabh> Zoem: direct rendering is enabled and glxgears gives me around 950
[09:04] <TychoQuad> thanks Lynoure
[09:05] <Zoem> saurabh, that makes it easier...
[09:05] <TychoQuad> DrUnKnMuNkY, just the one off apt, along with the instructions on their site to make it work on startup
[09:05] <DrUnKnMuNkY> TychoQuad, between a bunch of linux machines or are there any windows machines in tehre? i'm just trying to pin down what could be causing my problem
[09:06] <TychoQuad> in all situations i've seen it used, windows is host, linux is client
[09:06] <DrUnKnMuNkY> me too so I guess that's not the problem. Thanks
[09:07] <TychoQuad> sorry i couldn't help more
[09:07] <TomW> @Zoem, solved it - i had spaces in the path
[09:07] <Zoem> TomW, lol, that's good :)
[09:07] <TychoQuad> anyone know where I'd go for kismet support?
[09:09] <Zoem> saurabh, please paste lsmod | grep intel
[09:10] <Lynoure> TychoQuad: #kismet, if it exists, if not, their project page might list another irc channel/forum
[09:10] <Fritzel`> does anyone else have a missing pointer on some windows?
[09:11] <vox> i seem to have an issue with anything that requires su within gnome.  anytime i click on, say, Synaptic, it says "starting Administrative Application" on the taskbar, then after a few seconds it goes away and nothing happens.
[09:11] <saurabh> lsmod |grep intel output is here http://pastebin.com/m16e54d4f
[09:11] <DanaG> Heh, I always end up force-quitting firefox, since it's too slow at exiting.
[09:12] <TychoQuad> vox, i have that whenever i try to launch kismet, however it affects ALL applications after i attempt to launch it, and i have to hard reset
[09:12] <Davo_Dinkum> what's hardy's current support for power management? my laptop didnt shut down when the battery went flat, it just lost power
[09:12] <vox> TychoQuad: same
[09:12] <saurabh> Zoem: lsmod |grep intel output is here http://pastebin.com/m16e54d4f
[09:13] <david> 8.04 robbed me of the ability to use desktop effects:/
[09:13] <Zoem> saurabh, it looks like your drivers are installed, so I'm looking for what else it could be
[09:13] <TychoQuad> good to know it's a hardy bug then. lets try and find it on launchpad
[09:14] <Lynoure> david: some cards are blacklisted for compiz, I think (I don't use compiz myself, kwin4 effects work nicely for me)
[09:15] <Davo_Dinkum> how can i make it shut down safely when my laptop battery goes flat?
[09:16] <angharad> I've just installed the hardy beta, but I'm running into problems with the BBC iplayer (which relies on flash). Other flash sites work ok (e.g. youtube), but iplayer site produces garbled sound. Anyone run into a similar issue? Is it just a problem with the latest flash?
[09:16] <angharad> in fact youtube will hang firefox after I go and try the iplayer site, but if i restart firefox youtube works ok
[09:18] <TychoQuad> vox, do you have a launchpad account?
[09:18] <Zoem> saurabh, try sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel
[09:19] <saurabh> Zoem: let me do that
[09:19] <david> Lynoure: then my card got blacklisted from 7.10 -> 8.04
[09:20] <saurabh> Zoem: xserver-xorg-video-intel is already the newest version.
[09:20] <Davo_Dinkum> no one knows?
[09:20] <david> try power management
[09:21] <Zoem> saurabh, ok, we can try to reconfigure the xserver with sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:21] <Zoem> saurabh, you may need to stop the gdm to do this, and you will need to restart x afterwords
[09:21] <Lynoure> david: Which card you have?
[09:21] <saurabh> Zoem: i will do that now
[09:21] <david> some ATI mobile M9
[09:22] <saurabh> Zoem: will Ctrl-Backspace be enough to restart both Gdm and XServer?
[09:22] <Lynoure> david: many of ati's laptop cards did...
[09:22] <Lynoure> !blacklist
[09:22] <ubotu> To blacklist a module, edit /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist and add « blacklist <modulename> » to the end of that list - To explicitly load modules in a specific order, list them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and type « sudo update-initramfs -u »
[09:22] <saurabh> Zoem: Ctrl+Alt+Backspace
[09:22] <Lynoure> no, not that one... oh well.
[09:22] <rohan> will ubuntu 8.04 be released with firefox3 beta as the default firefox?
[09:22] <Zoem> saurabh, that will restart the xserver, but gdm must be manual stopped and started
[09:23] <saurabh> Zoem: how do i manually stop gdm
[09:23] <Zoem> saurabh, i usually killall it, and you can start it with sudo gdm
[09:23] <saurabh> Zoem: ok
[09:23] <TychoQuad> rohan, looks like yes. possibly RC1 if that comes out in time
[09:23] <ayllu> someone can help me whit synce
[09:24] <Zoem> saurabh, if you do stop the gdm, you should do it from a tty terminal, since you will lose all windows while it is down
[09:24] <saurabh> Zoem: it is asking if it can use the Kernel framebuffer device
[09:24] <Zoem> ummm...
[09:24] <Zoem> yes?
[09:24] <rohan> TychoQuad: is it nice to have a LTS release with beta browser as default? :o
[09:24] <Zoem> saurabh, I would go with defaults in most cases
[09:25] <TychoQuad> normally i would say no, but these builds of firefox are lightyears ahead of firefox2
[09:25] <Fritzel`> is there anyway to get google toolbar to work on firefox 3b5? I realize this is sort of off topic, but I figured I'd ask in case anyone knows
[09:25] <david> google toolbar :B
[09:25] <Zoem> Fritzel`, firefox is yuck :P or, sorry, I don't know :)
[09:25] <david> huhu
[09:26] <david> Zoem: lynx ftw?
[09:26] <HorizonXP> so I just found a bug in gcalculator
[09:26] <saurabh> Zoem: i reconfigured the x-server and i am about to kill gdm and xserver, how can i kill the xserver
[09:26] <HorizonXP> wondering if other people can reproduce it?
[09:26] <Zoem> david, lol <3 lynx. but I use opera
[09:26] <Zoem> saurabh, if you kill gdm, xserver goes with it :)
[09:26] <rohan> TychoQuad: ahead in what way?
[09:26] <rohan> features?
[09:27] <TychoQuad> features, stability, platform intergration, rendering speed and accuracy
[09:27] <HorizonXP> open gcalc, try doing a huge sum of numbers
[09:27] <HorizonXP> like 5.64+3.62+14.68+....
[09:28] <HorizonXP> I just used my bank statement :)
[09:28] <Zoem> what is the problem?
[09:28] <HorizonXP> do it for a large amount, like 20 items, so that the display starts to scroll
[09:28] <coz_> guys a couple of questions...I cannot get the nvidia driver 9755  to install on hardy is this because of x11/xcb?  and also  what the heck is breaking compiz fusion plugins from last update?
[09:28] <HorizonXP> when you hit enter, the display is just blank
[09:28] <Zoem> HorizonXP, no idea. add a launchpad on it :)
[09:28] <compwiz18> hm
[09:28] <HorizonXP> if you do copy, and paste into a text editor, you see the answer
[09:28] <compwiz18> you're right :)
[09:29] <HorizonXP> can you try it for me?
[09:29] <HorizonXP> it could be just me
[09:29] <compwiz18> I did
[09:29] <HorizonXP> oh nice
[09:29] <compwiz18> no answer
[09:29] <HorizonXP> yay!
[09:29] <HorizonXP> I found a bug!
[09:29] <david> the calculation is too complex for linux
[09:29] <TychoQuad> anyone not able to launch applications after starting kismet?
[09:29] <david> you need a windows 98 machine or higher to do that HorizonXP
[09:29] <ayllu> yep
[09:30] <HorizonXP> compwiz18: go Edit->Copy, and paste into another program, you'll see the answer there. so it is getting calculated
[09:30] <david> ^____^
[09:30] <HorizonXP> lol
[09:30] <bazhang> !windows
[09:30] <ubotu> For discussion and help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and /msg ubotu equivalents
[09:30] <HorizonXP> indeed!
[09:30] <compwiz18> HorizonXP: yeah, I suspect the box doesn't scroll back or something
[09:30] <Zoem> coz_, is that the most recent driver?
[09:30] <HorizonXP> time to file a bug
[09:30] <HorizonXP> !bug
[09:30] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[09:31] <ayllu> someone can help me whit synce
[09:31] <ayllu> i want to copy files to my ipaq
[09:31] <compwiz18> on the upside, this is the first ubuntu release that installed all the restricted drivers without any command line help :)
[09:31] <coz_> Zoem, no it is not it is an older driver  but the best for this one nvidia card fx5700