[12:15] <chantra> LaserJock: maybe an entry like "modifying and rebuilding a package"
[12:15] <chantra> cd packages/
[12:15] <chantra> do modifications
[12:15] <chantra> debuild -sa -S
[12:15] <chantra> cd ..
[12:16] <chantra> sudo pbuild....
[12:16] <pygi> chantra: that's source packages ^_^
[12:16] <chantra> just under rebuilding a package
[12:16] <LaserJock> chantra: yeah, the approach so far in the packaging guide has been for indepth packaging
[12:16] <chantra> pygi: oright, sorry for using the wrong terms :)
[12:17] <LaserJock> it would be good to add an little section for people who just want/need to tweak an existing source package
[12:17] <LaserJock> I believe I have that on my todo list
[12:17] <chantra> LaserJock: :)
[12:17] <pygi> LaserJock: that shouldn't be too hard to do
[12:17] <pygi> (to write)
[12:17] <chantra> todo list tends to get longer and longer :)
[12:18] <chantra> pygi: hard nope, long yeah :p
[12:18] <chantra> okie, gtg, girlfriend coming back :D
[12:18] <LaserJock> yeah, check out the braindump section of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPackagingGuide
[12:19] <LaserJock> mhm
[12:19] <chantra> LaserJock: :)))
[12:23] <LaserJock> hi minghua
[12:24] <minghua> hello LaserJock, fixing universe? :-)
[12:24] <secretlondon> lets hope so!
[12:24] <pygi> hey minghua ^_^
[12:24] <LaserJock> sadly no
[12:24] <gnomefreak> whos in charge of packages.ubuntu.com?
[12:24] <LaserJock> I can't make much of a dent
[12:24] <gnomefreak> its down
[12:24] <secretlondon> gnomefreak: has been for a few hours now
[12:25] <pygi> minghua: we should have seen that before we uploaded yesterday :P
[12:25] <LaserJock> somebody, can't remember the name
[12:25] <gnomefreak> secretlondon: im just finding out about it :(
[12:25] <minghua> pygi: see what?  the mistake in brasero?
[12:25] <pygi> minghua: indeed :)
[12:26] <minghua> yes we should
[12:27] <pygi> next time, more extra care =)
[12:27] <pygi> tho package is otherwise very good now
[12:27] <minghua> what are you guys using packages.u.c for?  looking for particular files?  LP seems good enough for finding package versions to me
[12:27] <secretlondon> I use it to find changelogs
[12:27] <secretlondon> as it splits them out
[12:28] <minghua> pygi: regarding the brasero and beagle issue, is it possible to separate the search function out as a plug-in type of thing?
[12:29] <gnomefreak> minghua: not for someone thats really new to ubuntu its not and thats how i found out it was down. i dont use p.u.c often
[12:29] <pygi> minghua: right now, not really, and I'll probably keep beagle disabled this version of brasero.
[12:29] <pygi> minghua: for next release, we'lll be able to do it probably
[12:30] <minghua> pygi: I see
[12:30] <pygi> minghua: but that will be provisional solution, we plan to do some abstraction layer for both burning and search facilities
[12:30] <LaserJock> secretlondon: changelogs.ubuntu.com
[12:30] <minghua> gnomefreak: you mean LP is not good enough for people new to ubuntu?
[12:30] <pygi> that will take some time tho
[12:31] <minghua> LaserJock: yeah, I was thinking that changelogs are kept somewhere
[12:31] <gnomefreak> minghua: i dont think its easy enough to navigate for new users
[12:31] <minghua> gnomefreak: agreed
[12:31] <secretlondon> LaserJock: i had no idea that existed
[12:31] <secretlondon> lp is really badly designed
[12:31] <LaserJock> why?
[12:31] <minghua> pygi: abstraction layer would be nicest, of course
[12:31] <pygi> minghua: right, but requires some work you know ^_^
[12:32] <pygi> secretlondon: agreed=)
[12:32] <gnomefreak> LaserJock: the layout mainly IMHO its not really easy to find what your looking for right away
[12:32] <secretlondon> most of the awful bugs would be fixed by now if we had the source..
[12:32] <LaserJock> secretlondon: I'm not convinced, but perhaps
[12:32] <LaserJock> gnomefreak: it can be at times, in other ways it's really easy
[12:33] <secretlondon> it takes multiple page loads to do anything, things don't behave the way you'd expect
[12:33] <minghua> you may fix the bugs you know, but you may introduce others in the mean time
[12:33] <secretlondon> i mainly use malone, it may depend on which bits oyu use
[12:33] <gnomefreak> LaserJock: agreed most of time i cna find what im looking for without issues but for me to tell someone that is new to linux or ubuntu look azt launchpad.com under packages for ubuntu its right there.
[12:33] <gnomefreak> but its never right there
[12:34] <gnomefreak> s/azt/at
[12:34] <LaserJock> yeah, it's much better as a resource to be linked to
[12:35] <LaserJock> the URL navigation is quite cool
[12:36] <LaserJock> I hardly ever have to click on anything
[12:36] <LaserJock> I just "build" the URL I want to go to
[12:42] <LaserJock> minghua: woot, I got the lists (mdt and bugs) as a cron job on tiber
[12:43] <minghua> LaserJock: very nice.  thanks!
[12:44] <LaserJock> minghua: I also updated MOTU/Teams/Science with the list urls and some other things
[12:45] <minghua> good, good.  we need more people working on bugs though
[12:45] <minghua> unfortunately most bugs in science packages are not easy to fix
[12:46] <secretlondon> we have quite a few universe packaging, sync things to do
[12:46] <LaserJock> yes, well most people want to do feature requests and complain about the lack of stability
[12:47] <secretlondon> LaserJock: thats always the way, the want new shiny
[12:48] <LaserJock> and bug free :-)
[12:48] <secretlondon> of course :)
[12:49] <secretlondon> #72437 is a dependency bug for a bored motu
[12:49] <minghua> bug 72437
[12:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72437 in dak "Dak build-depends on python2.3-dev, superseded by python2.4-dev" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/72437
[12:50] <minghua> why does any ubuntu user want to install dak?
[12:50] <LaserJock> minghua: they do darn it, don't question the users! ;-)
[12:51] <secretlondon> because it's there, because they don't read instructions..
[12:51] <LaserJock> hmm, freeflying filed that
[12:51] <LaserJock> I wonder if he was *gasp* going to use it
[12:52] <secretlondon> well it's broken regadless..
[12:52] <minghua> ask yourself when he is online?
[12:52] <kkubasik> hey, any MOTU here have a sec to look over a package?
[12:53] <LaserJock> kkubasik: heh, do you really one 1 second of review?
[12:53] <LaserJock> ;-)
[12:53] <kkubasik> heheh
[12:53] <kkubasik> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3422
[12:53] <kkubasik> if someone has maybe more than a second or 2 ;)
[12:53] <kkubasik> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3490
[12:53] <kkubasik> is anotherone for anyone who wants to be that cool
[12:54] <secretlondon> kkubasik: oh no-ones cool ;)
[12:54] <kkubasik> hehe, well in that case, I guess im just that cool
[12:54] <kkubasik> ;)
[12:56] <minghua> kkubasik: why does the binary package depend on python-gtk2 (>= 2.8) but the build dependency of python-gtk2-dev is not versioned?
[12:56] <kkubasik> hmm, I guess I only noticed it for the runtime
[12:57] <minghua> kkubasik: also your package description has whitespace wrong
[12:57] <minghua> you want one space at the beginning of the line, not two spaces
[12:57] <kkubasik> alright
[12:58] <minghua> hello ajmitch
[12:59] <ajmitch> so that I can sit at the feet of many & learn
[12:59] <ajmitch> hi minghua
[01:00] <kkubasik> minghua: pbuilding the test now :)
[01:01] <metres> how do i kill a program that didnt response ?
[01:01] <metres> a game name stax ...
[01:01] <minghua> kkubasik: I doubt those two changes would affect the buildability in anyway.  But of course it never hurts to test
[01:02] <LaserJock> kkubasik: also I think you need to add a binary-arch: rule back in
[01:02] <minghua> metres: please go to #ubuntu for support, thanks
[01:03] <kkubasik> LaserJock: alright, will do
[01:03] <LaserJock> kkubasik: also, debhelper should be in Build-Depends:
[01:03] <LaserJock> :-)
[01:05] <metres> ok thanks
[01:05] <minghua> Interesting.  After I renamed my home directory, firefox gets unhappy and doesn't want to load extensions
[01:05] <kkubasik> do I really do binary-arch for python?
[01:06] <kkubasik> I though deb policy was exclusivly python packages do everything in binary-indep
[01:06] <kkubasik> im not complaining, im just trying to figure it all out
[01:06] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:06] <LaserJock> it will be empty
[01:06] <LaserJock> but Debian Policy requires it to be there
[01:08] <kkubasik> LaserJock: alright, sounds cool
[01:08] <kkubasik> added it back, checking the build again
[01:09] <LaserJock> minghua: you gonna upload that xdrawchem fix?
[01:10] <minghua> LaserJock: I can't reproduce it, I won't upload it unless upstream acknowledge the patch
[01:10] <LaserJock> minghua: makes sense, kinda stinks that the 2 MOTUs that looked at it weren't able to reproduce
[01:10] <minghua> LaserJock: (or I read the code and confirm the patch is good, which I probably won't do)
[01:11] <kkubasik> any chance I can get anyone to take a peek at this upload as well
[01:11] <kkubasik> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3490
[01:11] <kkubasik> its newer, and significantly cleaner
[01:13] <joejaxx> who packages the kernels for ubuntu?
[01:13] <zul> BenC or the kernel team
[01:13] <joejaxx> oh ok thanks :)
[01:13] <minghua> there is a #ubuntu-kernel channel
[01:13] <joejaxx> thanks
[01:14] <joejaxx> this conversation should be quite interesting
[01:14] <zul> of course they are probably mostly recovering from SF/UDS
[01:14] <LaserJock> kkubasik: doh, I totally missed with both packages, your versioning is wrong
[01:14] <kkubasik> ?
[01:14] <LaserJock> kkubasik: they should be <upstreamversion>-0ubuntu1 if they aren't in debian
[01:15] <kkubasik> how exactly do I fix that, without messing a lot of stuff up?
[01:15] <minghua> LaserJock: nice catch
[01:15] <LaserJock> joejaxx: interesting? you aren't going to go heckle the kernel guys are you?
[01:16] <LaserJock> kkubasik: change it in the changelog and control file
[01:16] <joejaxx> LaserJock: not heckle just ask legitimate questions :)
[01:16] <LaserJock> or wait, not the control file
[01:16] <LaserJock> just the changelog
[01:17] <LaserJock> joejaxx: suuure ;-)
[01:17] <joejaxx> LOl
[01:17] <zul> LaserJock: we would just back door his kenerl anyways
[01:17] <joejaxx> back door? lol
[01:17] <ajmitch> hello zul
[01:17] <zul> hey ajmitch how is it going?
[01:18] <LaserJock> zul: just make sure it's joejaxx specific please :-)
[01:18] <minghua> Urgh.  It seems hopeless to fix this firefox extension thing
[01:18] <ajmitch> good, how are you?
[01:18] <zul> good a lot better
[01:18] <joejaxx> well it is not actually about anything going into ubuntu
[01:18] <ajmitch> I'm glad
[01:18] <ajmitch> now you can get back to fixing xen :)
[01:18] <zul> LaserJock: if(joejaxx == annoying) kill()
[01:18] <joejaxx> unless ubuntu wants it but i doubt it
[01:18] <zul> ajmitch: yeah yeah :)
[01:19] <zul> already updating 2.6.17 :P
[01:19] <zul> if only copy and pasted worked
[01:19] <joejaxx> zul: is packaging a kernel a difficult task?
[01:20] <zul> not really i did it for edgy
[01:20] <zul> ajmitch: just kind of started but ill let you know
[01:20] <joejaxx> zul: oh
[01:20] <joejaxx> oh ok
[01:20] <ajmitch> alright
[01:21] <LaserJock> my kernel just boots to a prompt and says "Gets some sharks... with frikin' laser beams on their heads"
[01:21] <zul> heh..
[01:21] <joejaxx> LaserJock: LOL that is funny
[01:21] <joejaxx> zul: have you all started packing 19 yet?
[01:22] <ajmitch> joejaxx: it's been in feisty for weeks
[01:22] <zul> LaserJock: the netwinder had a .wav file going "Welcome to Netwinder" do the same
[01:22] <kkubasik> alright, updated packages are in revu now
[01:22] <joejaxx> ajmitch: really?
[01:22] <joejaxx> LOL
[01:22] <ajmitch> joejaxx: sure, i was running it at UDS
[01:22] <joejaxx> ajmitch: nice thanks :)
[01:23] <ajmitch> 2.6.19 doesn't yet work with xen, but that's only a matter of time & nagging
[01:23] <zul> ajmitch: uh....yeah...
[01:23] <ajmitch> not that I ever would
[01:23] <zul>  /ignore ajmitch ALL
[01:24] <zul> damn space ;)
[01:24] <joejaxx> lol
[01:24] <LaserJock> naughty zul
[01:24] <joejaxx> ajmitch: does ubuntu only support kernel upstream and thatis it?
[01:24] <ajmitch> joejaxx: explain
[01:25] <joejaxx> ajmitch: like only the things supported in the original source of kernel releases ie no patching
[01:25] <ajmitch> no
[01:25] <ajmitch> see the kernel info on the wiki
[01:26] <bhale> we patch things to fix bugs or add drivers
[01:26] <joejaxx> ah ok
[01:26] <joejaxx> interesting
[01:26] <bhale> not Con Kolivias' weekend hackfest
[01:26] <joejaxx> hmmm
[01:26] <bhale> or whatever else the kids are into these days
[01:27] <kkubasik> LaserJock: both are in revu if you wanna check my changes
[01:27] <LaserJock> kkubasik: working on it
[01:27] <joejaxx> ajmitch: am i allowed to talk in #u-k?
[01:28] <kkubasik> bhale: hey, I've been meaning to ask you, what's the approx time table for getting the latests beagle packaged in feisty?
[01:28] <bhale> kkubasik: whenever I do it
[01:28] <bhale> there is no schedule
[01:29] <bhale> feisty is barely getting started
[01:29] <ajmitch> joejaxx: why are you asking me if you're allowed to talk?
[01:29] <joejaxx> just wondering
[01:29] <joejaxx> maybe it is like #u-d
[01:29] <zul> er...gentoo-dev?
[01:29] <joejaxx> no
[01:30] <joejaxx> ubuntu-devel
[01:30] <kkubasik> bhale: I know, no super pressure or anything
[01:30] <kkubasik> I was just gonna look into backporting it
[01:30] <zul> joejaxx: you are allowed to talk only if we like you
[01:30] <kkubasik> more for learing sakes, but yeah
[01:30] <bhale> kkubasik: new evo-sharp isnt packaged on debian yet, i heard it doesnt even build
[01:30] <joejaxx> zul: ok
[01:31] <zul> joejaxx: i was kidding
[01:31] <joejaxx> oh ok
[01:32] <bhale> kkubasik: it is about time for evo 2.9 to break the API anyway
[01:32] <bhale> kkubasik: i dont know why i bother, evo-sharp is always 6 months behind
[01:33] <kkubasik> bhale: agreed
[01:33] <kkubasik> its always a halting effort at best
[01:34] <LaserJock> bhale: do you do tomboy as well?
[01:34] <bhale> LaserJock: I guess
[01:34] <bhale> I used to do everything
[01:34] <bhale> now slomo does just about everything
[01:34] <LaserJock> heh
[01:34] <bhale> he rules.
[01:35] <LaserJock> yes, yes he does
[01:35] <ajmitch> now the rest of us just sit back
[01:36] <bhale> LaserJock: tomboy was the first debian package i did from scratch
[01:36] <bhale> LaserJock: REVU'd by jdub and seb128
[01:37] <LaserJock> oh cool
[01:37] <ajmitch> since then it was hijacked
[01:37] <LaserJock> did you really use REVU?
[01:37] <bhale> no :)
[01:37] <LaserJock> that's what I thought
[01:38] <joejaxx> haha lol
[01:40] <LaserJock> kkubasik: your debian/rules files seem overly complicated to me
[01:41] <kkubasik> I mean, I basically just trimmed out whatever I could from the default dh-make
[01:41] <kkubasik> that still built
[01:42] <LaserJock> well, like there is stuff for figuring out the build arch
[01:42] <LaserJock> but this is arch independent
[01:44] <LaserJock> you really don't need  install-indep: and binary-common: rules
[01:44] <freeflying> LaserJock: hi
[01:45] <LaserJock> hi freeflying, we were talking about the bug you filed on dak
[01:45] <LaserJock> kkubasik: you don't need dh_strip if there are no binaries to strip
[01:45] <kkubasik> alight
[01:46] <freeflying> LaserJock: I see
[01:46] <LaserJock> kkubasik: also check to see if you really need usr/sbin in debian/dirs
[01:46] <LaserJock> kkubasik: just nitpicky stuff
[01:46] <kkubasik> alright
[01:47] <LaserJock> kkubasik: good looking packages though
[01:47] <minghua> LaserJock: your packaging guide doesn't recommend using dh_make anymore, does it?
[01:47] <LaserJock> debian/copright actually has information
[01:47] <LaserJock> minghua: hmm, not sure
[01:47] <LaserJock> I personally think dh_make is fine
[01:47] <kkubasik> minghua: yeah, they still say use dh_make
[01:48] <minghua> if it's up to me, I'll write "dh_make is unsuitable for real packaging" or something like that
[01:48] <LaserJock> unsuitable? I would hardly say that
[01:49] <minghua> LaserJock: we have different opinions, of course
[01:49] <minghua> and I know my opinion is not popular
[01:49] <minghua> but still
[01:50] <LaserJock> your opinions are certainly appreciated
[01:50] <kkubasik> I agree that dh_make seems a little outdats
[01:50] <kkubasik> dated* and whatnot
[01:51] <kkubasik> especially since it has no way to account for any sort of managed code
[01:51] <LaserJock> but I'm just not sure where the balance is
[01:51] <kkubasik> yeah, it's a fine line
[01:52] <LaserJock> on one had it gives outdated and sometimes not quite right info
[01:52] <LaserJock> on the other hand, it does provide good examples for formatting and pretty much everything but debian/rules
[01:53] <_MMA_> LaserJock: Did I already ask you when the Feisty dailys start to be built?
[01:53] <minghua> yes, for a new packager, I would say "run dh_make and see what it gives you, read them and understand what they mean, then start from scratch again"
[01:53] <kkubasik> ok, those fixes are in REVU
[01:54] <LaserJock> that's kinda what I do
[01:55] <LaserJock> I use the files from the actual packages in the end
[01:55] <LaserJock> in the packaging guide
[01:56] <kkubasik> I think was really needs to happen is a consolidation of the MOTU wiki pages
[01:56] <kkubasik> there are lots that are half done/old
[01:56] <LaserJock> heh
[01:56] <kkubasik> that either need love or the aze
[01:56] <kkubasik> axe*
[01:56] <LaserJock> kkubasik: that is very much a known issue :-)
[01:57] <LaserJock> haha
[01:58] <_MMA_> LaserJock: Did you see my question?
[01:58] <LaserJock> _MMA_: oh yeah, sorry. I'm not sure. I'm guessing pretty soon as the Canonical conf is over
[01:59] <LaserJock> _MMA_: the first Herd cd is due out pretty soon
[01:59] <_MMA_> Ok. BTW, How are you feeling?
[01:59] <LaserJock> still crappy
[01:59] <_MMA_> :(
[01:59] <LaserJock> getting better
[01:59] <zul> ah so i have spread my germs internationally
[01:59] <LaserJock> but then I have to go in to the dentist tomorrow
[01:59] <ajmitch> well done zul
[01:59] <LaserJock> zul: my whole lab got sick
[01:59] <zul> sucky
[02:00] <LaserJock> minghua: how about a "MOTUs on the edge, might have a mental breakdown at any second, poke at your own risk"
[02:01] <joejaxx> hmm why is 2.6.19 not accessible in feisty
[02:01] <ajmitch> LaserJock: sounds accurate
[02:01] <ajmitch> joejaxx: it is
[02:02] <joejaxx> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty main
[02:02] <joejaxx> bah
[02:02] <joejaxx> uname -r returns
[02:02] <joejaxx> 17
[02:02] <ajmitch> that's because you haven't installed 2.6.19
[02:02] <minghua> LaserJock: sounds better than mine :-)
[02:02] <crimsun> linux-meta doesn't point to .19
[02:02] <joejaxx> so it is manual
[02:02] <joejaxx> ah
[02:03] <LaserJock> uh oh, crimsun has come out of lurking
[02:03] <joejaxx> has the powerpc compiled deb been uploaded?
[02:03] <ajmitch> you can check on launchpad
[02:03] <LaserJock> joejaxx: that's what LP is for
[02:03] <joejaxx> LP?
[02:03] <LaserJock> Launchpad
[02:03] <joejaxx> oh
[02:03] <crimsun>  feisty powerpc   Failed to build
[02:03] <joejaxx> i actually do not know how to check that
[02:03] <joejaxx> crimsun: ah ok
[02:03] <crimsun> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.19/2.6.19-6.7
[02:04] <minghua> there is always 2.6.19-{1,2,3,4,5} to choose from :-)
[02:04] <joejaxx> is there a special way you all compile the kernels?
[02:05] <zul> usually kernel-package
[02:05] <crimsun> we do a special kernel compile dance.
[02:05] <ajmitch> & a sprinkling of pixie dust
[02:05] <joejaxx> i have compiled a kernel before but i am wondering if you all do something special
[02:05] <ajmitch> crimsun also tends to sacrifice a pony while doing so
[02:05] <joejaxx> hmm that did not help
[02:06] <joejaxx> but i should be able to download the ubuntu kernel source and compile it right?
[02:06] <minghua> oh.  so that's where all those ponies went
[02:06] <LaserJock> :(
[02:07] <zul> yeah we went to ponyville and killed them (http://www.hasbro.com/mylittlepony/)
[02:07] <joejaxx> Lol
[02:07] <ajmitch> the streets ran red..
[02:08] <LaserJock> not the ponies
[02:08] <joejaxx> lol
[02:10] <rmjb> http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_ubuntu
[02:11] <kkubasik> LaserJock: with the fixes I committed for labyrinth, is it good to go in?
[02:12] <LaserJock> working on it
[02:12] <LaserJock> building the .deb
[02:12] <fernando> hi all
[02:13] <kkubasik> LaserJock: sounds cool
[02:14] <Burgundavia> rmjb: oh joy. Because vanilla is so much better
[02:17] <rmjb> oh... shoot, I didn't actually read the article, just saw it on digg a while back
[02:18] <LaserJock> I much prefer chocolate ice cream to vanilla
[02:18] <metres> I have a problem with debuild, my secret key doesnt available and I dont know why because I have one...
[02:18] <secretlondon> fudge
[02:19] <rmjb> metres: there's a bug in debuild, if you have the "use agent" option in your gpg.conf file it fails
[02:19] <rmjb> comment out or remove that option from .gnupg/gpg.conf and try the command again
[02:21] <LaserJock> kkubasik: labyrinth isn't using the new python policy
[02:21] <LaserJock> correctly at least
[02:21] <metres> the only line which is uncomment in my gnu.gpg  is the one for the keyserver...
[02:22] <rmjb> comment or remove the "use-agent" line
[02:22] <rmjb> oh wait, I just understood what you said
[02:23] <rmjb> what's the error message you get?
[02:23] <kkubasik> LaserJock: alright, let me dig up some literature
[02:23] <metres> Now signing changes and any dsc files...
[02:23] <metres>  signfile epdfview_0.1.5-1.dsc Daniel Sauv<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:23] <metres> gpg:  Daniel Sauv<EMAIL_ADDRESS>a t ignor: la cl secrte n'est pas disponible
[02:23] <metres> gpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: la cl secrte n'est pas disponible
[02:23] <metres> debsign: gpg error occurred!  Aborting....
[02:24] <rmjb> metres: you don't get a prompt for your key at any time?
[02:25] <metres> no I add export GPGKEY=EF2FC4CC to my .bashrc
[02:25] <LaserJock> kkubasik: have you seen http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy ?
[02:26] <kkubasik> no, but that looks like what im looking for
[02:27] <ajmitch> Hobbsee!
[02:27] <secretlondon> Hobbsee!
[02:27] <LaserJock> Hobbsee!!!
[02:27] <metres> I use this key to sign the code of conduct so it should be a good key !?
[02:28] <LaserJock> metres: try adding -kEF2FC4CC to the end of your debuild line
[02:28] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch, secretlondon!
[02:28] <Hobbsee> LaserJockWWW
[02:28] <fernando> metres: debuild -S -sa -kEF2FC4CC
[02:29] <fernando> hi Hobbsee
[02:29] <Hobbsee> hey fernando
[02:29] <metres> It worked :) thanks
[02:29] <fernando> metres: you're welcome
[02:38] <theCore> oh, another Qubecois :)
[02:38] <metres> salut thecore
[02:39] <theCore> metres, bonjour
[02:40] <theCore> does debsign can use a gnupg agent?
[02:40] <theCore> or it still need to have the key explicitly specified?
[02:42] <Toadstool> hey everybody
[02:43] <fernando> hi Toadstool
[02:43] <metres> hey Toadstool
[02:43] <secretlondon> hi toadstool
[02:44] <Toadstool> hey fernando metres & secretlondon
[02:45] <everybody> hey Toadstool
[02:46] <metres> good one rmjb
[02:46] <Toadstool> :)
[02:49] <Hobbsee> hey Toadstool metres
[02:49] <Hobbsee> * Mez
[02:50] <Hobbsee> theCore: still needs a key specified, i think
[02:50] <Mez> hey hobsee, watching anime
[02:55] <theCore> Hobbsee, is it assigned to a bug?
[02:57] <Hobbsee> theCore: no idea.  not sure if it is a bug, actually.  iirc, it will default to the key of whoever signed the debian/changelog.
[02:57] <theCore> oh ok
[02:57] <theCore> thanks for the info Hobbsee
[02:57] <Hobbsee> it may need to be specified in ~/.bashrc too.  i dont remember
[02:58] <metres> I think I am ready trying my first real package... anyone got something to be tested ?
[03:00] <LaserJock> Question: is Java arch dependent or arch independent?
[03:02] <rmjb> metres: there's a whole page of user submitted candidates here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates
[03:02] <metres> thanks
[03:08] <minghua> LaserJock: in Debian they are definitely arch-dependent
[03:08] <minghua> gcj compiles to machine code
[03:09] <rmjb> minghua: if using javac instead of gcj?
[03:09] <minghua> javac is an alternative link in Debian, IIRC
[03:10] <rmjb> is it mandatory to have a javac version and a gcj version of each java package then?
[03:12] <LaserJock> rmjb: you said rhino and azureus are Architecture:all right?
[03:12] <rmjb> yep
[03:12] <rmjb> azureus has an azureus-gcj package though
[03:13] <rmjb> that is in addition to it's azureus package
[03:14] <minghua> azureus can't be built by gcj last time I heard about it
[03:14] <xopher> Allright , I think my wiki-how to is done. How do I publish it ?
[03:15] <LaserJock> xopher: your what?
[03:15] <rmjb> actually, a dependency of the azureus-gcj package is the azureus package, so I'm not sure what the relationship is there
[03:16] <xopher> I made a how to, which Id like to get included to the ubuntu wiki
[03:19] <LaserJock> xopher: what is the how to about?
[03:21] <xopher> building an up to date nvidia-glx, in this case which includes 97.42
[03:22] <LaserJock> hmm, you might want to ask -doc
[03:22] <xopher> ok, thanks
[03:26] <minghua> LaserJock: do you thing we should have a separate ubuntu-science-bugs list?
[03:27] <minghua> LaserJock: I have procmail to put them in different mboxes, but I suppose not everyone do
[03:27] <minghua> LaserJock: and if I am just a curious user, I'd hate to see those bugmails on ubuntu-science list
[03:53] <LaserJock> minghua: I agree
[03:53] <LaserJock> we could ask for an official ubuntu-science ML on lists.ubuntu.com
[03:55] <minghua> that would be wonderful, too
[03:56] <LaserJock> we could use the current one for bugs
[03:57] <LaserJock> being the bug contact on 450+ packages produces more email then seems reasonable to try to also conduct a discussion
[04:02] <imbrandon> moins all
[04:02] <secretlondon> hi brandon
[04:02] <imbrandon> heya secretlondon
[04:03] <LaserJock> hi imbrandon
[04:04] <imbrandon> heya LaserJock
[04:04] <imbrandon> hrm jono's new php book is almost out
[04:05] <LaserJock> imbrandon: yeah, he's a writing machine
[04:05] <secretlondon> imbrandon: i may be evil and look to see how many times he mentions it on his blog
[04:05] <imbrandon> heh , he was telling me it was almost done at UDS
[04:05] <imbrandon> kinda funny how it came up too , lol
[04:05] <secretlondon> lol
[04:06] <imbrandon> we were on our way to dinner , elkbuntu , whiprush , me and jono and Seveas  and a few others, then got lost walking, , as we're walking he ask how i make a living , and i told him, then he's like WOW i just wrote a book about that !! LOL
[04:07] <imbrandon> heh , so i've been kinda waiting to see what it says :)
[04:08] <LaserJock> imbrandon: you make a living?!? amazing ;-)
[04:08] <elkbuntu> imbrandon, i dont know about the book, but he did release jokosher 0.2 about half an hour ago before he went to bed
[04:08] <lastnode> imbrandon, Fujtsu said the source packages were in the parent directory of where the .debs were, btw. sorry i didn't see that before.
[04:08] <imbrandon> elkbuntu: ahh rock on, i'll have to grab it
[04:08] <imbrandon> lastnode: yea i seen, i just havent got to them yet, i will here in a bit
[04:09] <lastnode> imbrandon, cool, Fujtsu said that if you're busy, he'll do the upload himself, and not to worry (or something along those lines :-)
[04:09] <imbrandon> LaserJock: hahahah barely
[04:10] <elkbuntu> imbrandon, actually, his blog does say something
[04:10] <imbrandon> who's ,about what?
[04:10] <LaserJock> imbrandon: just waking up? dude you don't even deserve to live in your time zone ;-)
[04:10] <elkbuntu> imbrandon, jono's about php
[04:11] <imbrandon> hahaha yea i woke up at 8pm local time ( although i was up earlier today to give my daughter a b-day party )
[04:11] <imbrandon> elkbuntu: i know, thats why i mentioned it :)
[04:12] <imbrandon> she turned 10 today ( man i feel old )
[04:13] <LaserJock> geeze, you are old
[04:14] <imbrandon> LaserJock: lol thanks
[04:16] <Toadstool> re
[04:16] <ajmitch> hey imbrandon
[04:16] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch
[04:16] <ajmitch> good to see you awake ;)
[04:16] <imbrandon> lol
[04:16] <imbrandon> bout time i'd say
[04:17] <imbrandon> lol
[04:17] <TheMuso> Hey all.
[04:17] <imbrandon> heya TheMuso
[04:17] <ajmitch> yeah
[04:17] <ajmitch> hi TheMuso
[04:17] <TheMuso> How are we all going on merges?
[04:18] <ajmitch> poorly
[04:18] <ajmitch> give me some caffeine & I'll do some tonight
[04:18] <nixternal> imbrandon: whats the k status homey..anything open and needing work?
[04:18] <TheMuso> heh
[04:20] <imbrandon> nixternal: ummm no idea honsetly, i havent fully awoke, but i'm sure there are tons of merges to be done
[04:21] <imbrandon> hrm , jono bacon , jo no bacon , jo nobacon , jo kosher , jokosher , heheheheh /me JUST caught that
[04:22] <nixternal> ya, but can't bacon be kosher, as long as it isnt' processed by human
[04:22] <nixternal> ?
[04:23] <Burgundavia> anybody got a dapper machine up and running?
[04:23] <elkbuntu> nixternal, he's a twisted fellow, twisted humor is highly possible :
[04:23] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: i have a dapper file server running , no gui
[04:23] <Burgundavia> that doesn't help me
[04:23] <Burgundavia> I need to know what the language selector is called
[04:23] <imbrandon> k
[04:24] <minghua> Burgundavia: I have a dapper partition here, I think I can chroot in it and see
[04:24] <minghua> Burgundavia: what do you need exactly?
[04:24] <Burgundavia> the name on the menu
[04:25] <minghua> which menu?
[04:25] <Burgundavia> on the admin one
[04:26] <Burgundavia> in the desktop file
[04:27] <minghua> # grep "^Name=" language-selector.desktop
[04:27] <minghua> Name=Language Support
[04:27] <minghua> Burgundavia: is that what you need?
[04:28] <Burgundavia> that is exactly what I need
[04:29] <LaserJock> kkubasik: you aren't meant to advocate your own packages :-)
[04:30] <imbrandon> LaserJock: i dident think you could
[04:30] <imbrandon> heh
[04:31] <LaserJock> imbrandon: yes, you can on you're own packages
[04:31] <LaserJock> REVU bug :-)
[04:32] <ajmitch> LaserJock: we can de-advocate those packages of course :)
[04:32] <imbrandon> ajmitch: is the revu code on LP upto date ?
[04:32] <imbrandon> or is that revu2 only
[04:32] <ajmitch> there're both revu & revu2 branches there
[04:33] <ajmitch> I don't know if the latest has been pushed there or not
[04:33] <imbrandon> arg no jokosher debs, only a shoddy script that compiles gstreamer cvs etc /me kicks jono
[04:33] <LaserJock> heah, he's a community guy, not a MOTU ;-)
[04:33] <imbrandon> hehe yea
[04:33] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: they need gstreamer cvs
[04:34] <ajmitch> imbrandon: there are no debs for a reason - it requires gstream from cvs
[04:34] <ajmitch> LaserJock: stripped advocacy from moodbar, what's the other one?
[04:34] <Burgundavia> this would be the "so bleeding edge it hurts" app
[04:34] <ajmitch> ah, labyrinth
[04:34] <Hobbsee> ugh, yes
[04:34] <LaserJock> labyrinth
[04:34] <imbrandon> ahh hehe
[04:34] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: ditto for a few other ones of them.  magic-haskell, among others
[04:35] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: heh
[04:35] <imbrandon> well i gues i can compile gst cvs as i dont use it for anything else
[04:35] <imbrandon> so no biggie if it dies
[04:35] <ajmitch> imbrandon: and the world burns...
[04:35] <LaserJock> yeah, I'm interested in how software development works like that
[04:35] <imbrandon> all the rest of the apps i use are xine so no loss if i screw it up
[04:36] <LaserJock> do jokosher guys run around with cvs gstreamer?
[04:36] <imbrandon> LaserJock: yes
[04:36] <LaserJock> I wonder how that works
[04:36] <imbrandon> LaserJock: thats why they had to use jono's laptop for the demo at UDS even though they had to X forward it etc
[04:37] <imbrandon> when it wouldent hook to the projector
[04:37] <tonyyarusso> Backporting question: I had requested a backport of sobby, and it got a reply that I didn't really understand.  Could someone confirm that the comment on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/sobby/+bug/71875 translates as "Sorry, this isn't possible" in English?
[04:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71875 in sobby "sobby is unusable on Dapper - fixed in 0.4" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[04:37] <ajmitch> tonyyarusso: it means "it will not happen"
[04:38] <imbrandon> tonyyarusso: it means it does not compile without source changes in dapper, thus cannot be backported
[04:38] <tonyyarusso> ajmitch, imbrandon: Ah, thanks.  Can it be done just for my personal system?
[04:38] <imbrandon> tonyyarusso: if you get it to compile for you personaly sure, just be aware of breakage you may cause later on and prepare to deal with it
[04:39] <tonyyarusso> imbrandon: Hmm...icky.  Oh well.
[04:40] <ajmitch> kkubasik: I've archived your banshee upload on revu as well, it is being handled already
[04:41] <LaserJock> yeah, we need a REVU cleanup day just to get out the obsoleted uploads
[04:42] <ajmitch> the upload of banshee to debian was done because of a broken ubuntu upload, too
[04:43] <imbrandon> gah xterm messages in kde, /me kicks jono AGAIN, and he said he was a kde hacker before
[04:43] <imbrandon> hrm
[04:43] <ajmitch> haha
[04:43] <imbrandon> i might be easier to do this by hand then fix the script to work on kde
[04:43] <imbrandon> it*
[04:45] <ajmitch> TheMuso: are you sure that serpento is syncable?
[04:45] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Hang on... I'll have another look.
[04:46] <ajmitch> 0.4.1-0.2 looks to be less than 0.4.1ubuntu2
[04:47] <LaserJock> what? is it really 0.4.1ubuntu2?
[04:47] <TheMuso> What command do you use to figure that?
[04:47] <ajmitch> LaserJock: take a look with apt-cache madison
[04:47] <ajmitch> dpkg --compare-versions 0.4.1-0.2 gt 0.4.1ubuntu2 && echo 'yes'
[04:48] <imbrandon> dpkg --compare-versions
[04:48] <TheMuso> ah
[04:48] <TheMuso> I knew it was something to do with dpkg.
[04:48] <LaserJock> bummer
[04:50] <imbrandon> see thats why i hate native versioning
[04:50] <imbrandon> ( because a NMU can screw it up )
[04:51] <TheMuso> So in this case, it has to be merged just because of the screwy version numbers?
[04:51] <StevenK> ajmitch: So, can I bug you hard enough to upload something for me?
[04:52] <imbrandon> yea untill 0.4.2 comes out
[04:52] <TheMuso> Lovely/
[04:52] <TheMuso> :S
[04:52] <TheMuso> Ok. Will reject the bug.
[04:52] <ajmitch> StevenK: what now?
[04:53] <StevenK> Dear me.
[04:53] <StevenK> I didn't think I asked that much.
[04:53] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: you are so here.  now do some work
[04:53] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: it's main, after all :P
[04:53] <imbrandon> hahaha /me hides better
[04:58] <TheMuso> Thanks ajmitch. I wasn't aware that version numbers could play a problem with syncing.
[04:58] <TheMuso> s/play/be/
[05:17] <LaserJock> man I don't like reviewing packages
[05:18] <LaserJock> it takes me forever
[05:19] <ajmitch> reviewing is easy
[05:19] <ajmitch> just pick 5 things that are wrong with the package :)
[05:19] <ajmitch> that gives them enough to work on
[05:19] <LaserJock> yeah, but when they actually have a decent package
[05:21] <ajmitch> then it takes a bit longer to find 5 things
[05:22] <Burgundavia> there is always something
[05:22] <Burgundavia> the trick is to make them work hard enough that you don;t actually have to upload it
[05:22] <Burgundavia> while not chasing them away
[05:22] <TheMuso> haha
[05:22] <imbrandon> ajmitch: what do you really think about putting a cvs gst in , it wont effect kubuntu at all but i'm not sure how much of an impact on ubuntu it will have
[05:22] <TheMuso> I'll bet you will find something to do with the copyright file.
[05:23] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: the kde developers need to get ont eh same page and start using gstreamer
[05:23] <StevenK> The wonderful thing about complaining about the copyright file is you can make them chase their tails for weeks.
[05:23] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: feisty+1 e.g. kde4 will use gst
[05:23] <TheMuso> StevenK: hehe
[05:23] <ajmitch> imbrandon: it could break a lot
[05:23] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: via that wacked phonon layer
[05:24] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: yes
[05:24] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: or lets talk about "solid"
[05:24] <Burgundavia> kde abstracted my abstraction layer indeed
[05:25] <imbrandon> heh well imho it needs to be done as there are many abstration layers but none for the application level, but thats a whole nother story
[05:25] <imbrandon> ajmitch: so , no-go , or ummm /me wondera how long it will be for a gst release proper
[05:27] <ajmitch> ask them
[05:27] <imbrandon> are they on freenode ? if not i'll just pop an email out
[05:27] <ajmitch> of course
[05:29] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: yes, there is a place for a "place this sound api". That place is in a cross DE thingy
[05:36] <nixternal> that was a stupid script
[05:53] <imbrandon> heh
[05:53] <LaserJock> I think i should really hit that harder in the packaging guide and MOTU School
[05:53] <LaserJock> lintian -i is awesome
[05:53] <nixternal> my lintian outputs have has been good, with the typical warnings
[05:54] <nixternal> it is my builds that suck
[05:54] <nixternal> haha
[05:54] <LaserJock> it tells people like the chapter/section of the Debian Policy were they screwed up
[05:55] <nixternal> people don't like me..i put stuff on revu and they walk past it
[05:55] <LaserJock> running lintian -i on the .deb is often interesting
[05:55] <nixternal> they see my name, and they are like "ahh this idiot is at it again"
[05:55] <LaserJock> nixternal: it's not personal
[05:55] <LaserJock> just business ;-)
[05:55] <imbrandon> that happens to all uploads on revu lol
[05:55] <nixternal> oh, its personal
[05:55] <imbrandon> unfortunately
[05:56] <nixternal> not all, because i watch people comment on them all day long...i think there is a secret army
[05:56] <imbrandon> actualy its kinda sad, i'm more likely to revu something from someone i have talked to before
[05:56] <nixternal> except me imbrandon
[05:56] <nixternal> you see my name on revu and walk past
[05:56] <imbrandon> nixternal: i said _WHEN_ i revu , hehe
[05:56] <nixternal> you might even flick a cig butt at me
[05:57] <LaserJock> imbrandon: you know what mood files are with Amarok?
[05:57] <nixternal> im like the little homeless guy that just wants some love..some spare change, a bite of your sammich
[05:57] <imbrandon> man i need a brain implant , so i dont have to type, just think it
[05:57] <imbrandon> LaserJock: yes
[05:57] <imbrandon> sammich, lol , classic
[05:58] <imbrandon> LaserJock: yes, but they need amarok gst to work and amaork upstream has droped gst support , thus so did we
[05:58] <LaserJock> imbrandon: I'm kinda opposite I think, I'll revu for people who aren't around often because I don't want them scared away
[05:58] <imbrandon> it might change with the 2.0 release though and gst 0.10+
[05:59] <nixternal> ya, i used the mood thing one time, and was like ahhh this is nuts, and next you thing you know i update from imbrandon's repos and it was gone
[05:59] <elkbuntu> imbrandon, the results of having your thoughts piped to a computer could be .. interesting
[05:59] <imbrandon> elkbuntu: to say the leaste
[05:59] <LaserJock> hmm, cause I'm reviewing this moodbar package and it's got a dep on fftw3
[05:59] <imbrandon> fftw3?
[05:59] <LaserJock> imbrandon: I'd have to do an ignore
[05:59] <LaserJock> fast fourier transform
[06:00] <LaserJock> it's a math/science thing
[06:00] <LaserJock> usually used for  frequency space- time space conversion
[06:00] <imbrandon> ahh sounds right, the moodbar for amarok is kinda, umm screwy to so the leaste, i dident even thing there was a official release of it yet, as even the dev says its not really ready
[06:01] <imbrandon> but its "useable" just not umm stable / good
[06:01] <LaserJock> hmm
[06:01] <LaserJock> is there a reason why we would not advocate a package simply because we don't want it in?
[06:01] <LaserJock> like not a packaging problem, but like it's just crappy software?
[06:01] <imbrandon> yea it does some strange number stuff with the bpm etc and stuff on the music
[06:01] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: which package?
[06:02] <Burgundavia> http://distrowatch.com/index.php?dataspan=1 <-- look at the mint numbers
[06:02] <imbrandon> LaserJock: well i dont see a problem with letting it in, i doubt many will use it though ( if its packaged good and he agrees to maintain it )
[06:02] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: I don't have a specific example in mind
[06:03] <LaserJock> but I wonder about our general attitude towards letting packages in
[06:03] <LaserJock> I think in Debian they often ask questions like "Why do we need this package and what does it do that XYZ doesn't?"
[06:03] <nixternal> LaserJock: anyone ever call you a nerd? fast fourier transform...i thought you messed up the name of the fast and the furious at first
[06:04] <LaserJock> nixternal: what? dude, I had to do those by hand
[06:04] <LaserJock> doing spead of sound labs
[06:04] <secretlondon> nixternal: some of us had to do that at college
[06:04] <nixternal> ya, speed there tugboat
[06:04] <nixternal> i drank in college and learned cisco
[06:05] <imbrandon> LaserJock: well if thats the case, i say let it in as nothing out there does what it does, i just personaly dont find it usefull, but that dosent mean someone wont
[06:05] <imbrandon> it is in gentoo if that matters to ya :)
[06:05] <nixternal> now im learning that stuff and business
[06:05] <secretlondon> nixternal: I fiddled with computers which as a linguistics student meant sound processing
[06:05] <nixternal> ahhh
[06:05] <nixternal> i know what you are talking about now

[06:05] <nixternal> ;)
[06:06] <LaserJock> imbrandon: well, I wasn't thinking so much about this case
[06:06] <nixternal> although, i can't remember none of the math i learned in college
[06:06] <LaserJock> although what about packages that don't have great security history or something
[06:06] <imbrandon> from my experince, debian says if someone takes the time to properly package it , then someone cares enough for it to be in the archive
[06:06] <nixternal> i never used it again afterwards...i wish i would have stuck more with programming that i did with networking/hardware and electronics
[06:06] <secretlondon> nixternal: I've got a b.a. - that excludes me from nerd-dom afaik
[06:06] <nixternal> hehe
[06:07] <nixternal> i gotta b.s. definitely excluding me from nerd-dom, but it is bs afterall ;)
[06:07] <LaserJock> secretlondon: I've got a B.A. and I'm definitely a nerd
[06:07] <imbrandon> nothing can exclude you from nerd-dom
[06:07] <imbrandon> or geek-dom
[06:07] <LaserJock> at my school they had some weird thing where only the Education majors got B.S.s
[06:08] <imbrandon> wow
[06:08] <ajmitch> I wish I was as geeky as LaserJock :)
[06:08] <LaserJock> yeah, so I have a B.A. in Environmental Science with majors in Chemisty and Applied Mathematical Science
[06:09] <nixternal> im 23 credits shy of my MBA, and that is the furthest thing from nerd-dom or geek-dom
[06:09] <ajmitch> BA in environmental science sounds too much like save the trees, hug a whale
[06:09] <imbrandon> lol
[06:09] <LaserJock> yeah, well it was the only science related degree at my school
[06:10] <LaserJock> and it *was* in Montana
[06:10] <nixternal> 10 of those credits are 2 independents where you do nothing but create a business plan that must get approved
[06:10] <imbrandon> crack dealer count?
[06:10] <nixternal> gonna find out
[06:11] <nixternal> i have been working my pimp hand as well, just incase everything falls through
[06:11] <imbrandon> lol
[06:11] <ajmitch> imbrandon: applied yet?
[06:11] <nixternal> i never realised how wonderful perl was until i went through and made some old irssi scripts useful these past 2 days
[06:12] <imbrandon> ajmitch: no, but i have been SEROUISLY thinking about it
[06:12] <nixternal> bah, google asked a few of us from the LUG if we were interested in Linux admin positions in chicago
[06:12] <ajmitch> I wouldn't mind some job offers some days
[06:12] <LaserJock> joejaxx: I see Fluxbuntu is #100 on distrowatch ;-)
[06:12] <nixternal> i think everbody but 1 turned it down
[06:12] <nixternal> working out of the RR Donnelly building downtown for peanuts
[06:13] <ajmitch> heh
[06:13] <nixternal> you want to work for money, you work for red hat in downtown chicago
[06:13] <nixternal> their admins start at 80
[06:14] <joejaxx> LaserJock: you are kidding me
[06:14] <LaserJock> joejaxx: no, just 2 places behind Edubuntu
[06:14] <joejaxx> LOl
[06:14] <ajmitch> distrowatch isn't the most accurate indicator
[06:14] <LaserJock> poor Edubuntu
[06:15] <nixternal> ya, distrowatch is far from accurate..they have Ubuntu as #1 when we all know better
[06:15] <nixternal> Kubuntu is #1
[06:15] <secretlondon> does ubuntuguide run unofficial repos?
[06:15] <LaserJock> well, they do lots of crack
[06:15] <ajmitch> nixternal: #1 of what? :)
[06:15] <nixternal> secretlondon: everything they do is unofficial
[06:15] <imbrandon> secretlondon: i wouldent doubt it , seems every boob with a website runs a repo now a dats
[06:15] <imbrandon> days*
[06:15] <elkbuntu> i dont! :D
[06:15] <nixternal> i think they link to other people's repos though
[06:15] <ajmitch> 99.9% of them are broken
[06:16] <secretlondon> nixternal: I've someone on Live journal recommending their repos
[06:16] <ajmitch> elkbuntu: I do!
[06:16] <imbrandon> elkbuntu: I DO!
[06:16] <secretlondon> I DON'T!
[06:16] <nixternal> i use the repos in my default /etc/apt/sources.list and thats it
[06:16] <LaserJock> joejaxx: oh, that was for the 7day average
[06:16] <ajmitch> the only use of my repository is that it's created by pbuilder, and used for compiling subsequent packages
[06:16] <LaserJock> where Mint is #1
[06:16] <nixternal> well, i have imbrandon's and kubuntu.org as well for testing
[06:16] <elkbuntu> ok, so far the actual people with boobs dont.. the people with moob do :
[06:16] <nixternal> wth
[06:16] <secretlondon> ajmitch: but I presume you are competent and therefore I don't mind
[06:16] <elkbuntu> s/moob/moobs/
[06:16] <secretlondon> moobs?
[06:17] <ajmitch> secretlondon: don't make rash presumptions
[06:17] <nixternal> elkbuntu: you just threw me in a spin..i had to double check where that comment came from
[06:17] <elkbuntu> secretlondon, man boobs
[06:17] <secretlondon> ah
[06:17] <nixternal> i have a pair of those
[06:17] <nixternal> if only they had man bras
[06:17] <imbrandon> oh jez
[06:17] <nixternal> hahahaha
[06:17] <secretlondon> real boobs are better
[06:17] <nixternal> she started it
[06:17] <joejaxx> LaserJock: yeah it is not on there now lol
[06:18] <ajmitch> elkbuntu: see what you started?
[06:18] <secretlondon> you are just aspirant
[06:18] <elkbuntu> ajmitch, :D
[06:18] <elkbuntu> ajmitch, cant think of a proper response, laughing too hard
[06:18] <Hobbsee> oh dear.  all this talk of boobs.
[06:18] <secretlondon> I know..
[06:18] <joejaxx> Lol
[06:18] <ajmitch> there are ladies present, you know :)
[06:18] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:18] <secretlondon> we are very familar with them
[06:18] <Hobbsee> unless you're working on liboobs, this is not development!  :P
[06:18] <Hobbsee> haha
[06:18] <Hobbsee> secretlondon: indeed
[06:19] <ajmitch> LaserJock: soon the guys will be outnumbered here
[06:19] <elkbuntu> owww. jaw hurting from laughing now
[06:19] <LaserJock> ajmitch: what are we going to do? :(
[06:19] <imbrandon> oh man
[06:19] <joejaxx> Fluxbuntu is a light-weight, standards-compliant, Ubuntu-based Linux distribution featuring the Fluxbox window manager.
  Welcome to I'm-not-going-back-to-IT-helpdesk-after-seven-years.
[06:30] <LaserJock> I thought the forums were bad enough
[06:30] <ajmitch> afternoon lifeless
[06:30] <imbrandon> heya lifeless
[06:30] <secretlondon> mnepton: official support?
[06:31] <nixternal> holy jesus
[06:31] <imbrandon> secretlondon: yes
[06:31] <mnepton> i've been up in the clouds! i've been shrugging off shrouds! and i'm feelin' in LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE!
[06:31] <nixternal> i would print and fram that email
[06:31] <elkbuntu> nixternal, well, if his musical choice at UDS was any indication...
[06:31] <secretlondon> wow - those people PAY for support? *shocked*
[06:31] <nixternal> thank god i got to stand next to the GNUFather then
[06:31] <crimsun> his musical choice is well justified, whatever his musical choice may be.
[06:31] <nixternal> who hadn't showered in years
[06:31] <imbrandon> " .... enternet .... " , thats my fav part
[06:32] <mnepton> imbrandon: damb you to hell, sir. ;)
[06:32] <imbrandon> heheh
[06:32] <nixternal> thats classic right there
[06:33] <nixternal> i have a bunch of people i switched over to ubuntu..either they love it and have no problems with it, or they just gave up on computing..because my cell phone has been quiet for a few weeks now
[06:33] <imbrandon> i'm thinking it has to be a trip working with kurt and jeff in CA, might suck at that moment but the aftertouhghts and stories rockl
[06:33] <elkbuntu> crimsun, iirc along the lines of 'i dream of jeanie'
[06:33] <secretlondon> nixternal: they were using the forums for support and now it won't boot..
[06:33] <StevenK> elkbuntu: Say it ain't so!
[06:34] <elkbuntu> StevenK, ask the man for his reasoning
[06:34] <imbrandon> heheh , one , one support call, ha ha ha
[06:34] <ajmitch> imbrandon: it'd be scary alright
[06:34] <crimsun> elkbuntu: something has to give, either the person paying for support or the IT dude's sanity. I'd say that choice is innocuous. ;)
[06:34] <StevenK> elkbuntu: *twitch*
[06:34] <mnepton> *lightning flash*
[06:34] <imbrandon> crimsun: hahahaa how true
[06:35] <StevenK> Now I get to write the bugs and not fix them,
[06:35] <StevenK> s/,$/./
[06:35] <imbrandon> you know this is the first time i think i've seen you in here mnepton
[06:35] <nixternal> well, after reading that email, i don't feel so bad about what i put the guy through at the states office when filing LLC Bylaws and the antribution garbage
[06:35] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Hi, I'd like a large pizza...
[06:35] <LaserJock> mnepton: now you've ruined all motive I've ever had in working in Montreal ;-)
[06:35] <nixternal> attribution as well
[06:36] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: with fishies
[06:36] <Hobbsee> StevenK: GO TO A PIZZA SHOP, kthnksbye!
[06:36] <StevenK> Bwaha
[06:36] <ajmitch> LaserJock: how could you not want to be near such creative genius?
[06:36] <LaserJock> ajmitch: well ...
[06:36] <imbrandon> s/kthnksbye!/kthxby!
[06:36] <secretlondon> rehi
[06:37] <StevenK> imbrandon: kthxbye, even?
[06:37] <mnepton> imbrandon: my irssi session is frightnening. i have to keep some channels on a desktop client just to keep things sane.
[06:37] <imbrandon> +1 StevenK
[06:37] <elkbuntu> s/kthxby!/kthxbai!!!!11one/
[06:37] <StevenK> Muahaha
[06:37] <Lathiat> its kthxbai!!!!!111one1111eleventy-one111
[06:37] <Lathiat> sheesh, get it right.
[06:37] <ajmitch> mnepton: you need a widescreen monitor & small terminal fonts?
[06:37] <mnepton> foad kthxbye 1054|2!!1!1!11!!!!!!
[06:38] <imbrandon> i have about 65 irssi windows going atm , i hate it up over a hundred a few times
[06:38] <Lathiat> hrm
[06:38] <secretlondon> always eleventyone
[06:38] <Lathiat> yoru worse than me
[06:38] <LaserJock> sweet 2 reviews down, 1 to go
[06:38] <Lathiat> i set between 20 and 45 most times
[06:38] <ajmitch> I'm sure someone saw my irssi client at UDS
[06:38] <ajmitch> with > 100 open
[06:38] <imbrandon> ajmitch: i did
[06:38] <ajmitch> it's back below 90 now
[06:38] <nixternal> i have a whopping 57
[06:38] <elkbuntu> i believe i may well have ruined all chance of productivity in this channel for today...
[06:38] <StevenK> Heh, I have nine...
[06:38] <nixternal> going to drop back down into the 20s
[06:38] <LaserJock> ajmitch: that's just gross :-)
[06:39] <ajmitch> elkbuntu: correct
[06:39] <nixternal> as most of them, the people annoy me
[06:39] <nixternal> hahaha
[06:39] <imbrandon> its the weekend , shhhhh
[06:39] <ajmitch> LaserJock: no, it's called broadening my horizons ;)
[06:39] <nixternal> weekend is over in 20
[06:39] <StevenK> Not here it ain't.
[06:39] <imbrandon> well for another 20 minutes here
[06:39] <secretlondon> 6am in 20 mins here
[06:39] <nixternal> midnight in 20 in chitown
[06:39] <LaserJock> ajmitch: heh, by staying in irssi? oh sure, mhm, I believe you ;-)
[06:40] <imbrandon> let me guess, london ?
[06:40] <ajmitch> secretlondon: and you're still up for some reason?
[06:40] <secretlondon> imbrandom: yeah..
[06:40] <imbrandon> heh
[06:40] <secretlondon> ajmitch: because I'm nocturnal etc
[06:40] <nixternal> ajmitch: you need to use the chanact.pl script and have it size 15 and display chan names..i bet you wouldn't even have a chat window..it would be all statusbar
[06:40] <StevenK> Because her Internet works better when everyone else is sleeping!
[06:40] <secretlondon> yes
[06:41] <secretlondon> excatly!
[06:41] <nixternal> k, down to 33 windows, and 33 is my hilight box
[06:41] <imbrandon> nixternal: email it to me, i wouldent mind that script
[06:41] <ajmitch> nixternal: no thanks
[06:41] <imbrandon> if it works
[06:41] <LaserJock> I'm more of a 9 to 5 guy
[06:41] <ajmitch> LaserJock: 9pm-5am?
[06:41] <Burgundavia> crimsun: that is why I now do sales
[06:41] <secretlondon> i'm more of a 9pm to 5am girl..
[06:41] <LaserJock> ajmitch: no
[06:41] <Burgundavia> crimsun: no more support for me
[06:42] <nixternal> imbrandon: my script is funkdafied..you might want the default one from the irssi website, or f0rked
[06:42] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: it sucked out your sanity?
[06:42] <imbrandon> nixternal: i tried that one, dosent work
[06:42] <nixternal> it works great imbrandon
[06:42] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: is sales that much better?
[06:42] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: yes, and destroyed my relationship with my then-gf and prevented me from working on Ubuntu, becuase I didn't want to see another computer when I got home
[06:43] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: not much, but a litt
[06:43] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: ouch
[06:43] <ajmitch> I'm glad I have nothing to do with support
[06:43] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: she said "I was the most depressing and boring person she had ever seen"  after I got home
[06:44] <StevenK> Burgundavia: That's nice of her.
[06:44] <nixternal> imbrandon:
[06:44] <nixternal> heh
[06:44] <nixternal> http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/desktop.png
[06:44] <nixternal> forgot to shift+insert, not ctrl+v
[06:44] <mnepton> o/~
[06:44] <Burgundavia> StevenK: she and I get along very well, now, although she is my ex
[06:44] <Burgundavia> secretlondon: where do you live?
[06:44] <mnepton> Do you know what noise awakes you every morning from your bed?  A-coming from the farthest hillside, a-coming from inside your head. You have heard the loudest sound. In this and every world you can think of
[06:44] <secretlondon> Burgundavia: lOndon, UK
[06:44] <nixternal> arg, i screenshotted the whole desktop, not just the window
[06:44] <Burgundavia> hmm
[06:45] <Burgundavia> secretlondon: for some reason I thought you were in Vancouver, but that wouldn't make much sense
[06:45] <mnepton> Louder than tanks on the highway. Louder than bombers in flight. Louder than noises of hatred. Dancing us from darkest night is the rhythm of love. Powered on the the beating of hearts!
[06:45] <secretlondon> Burgundavia: you've told me this before. I can confirm I'm not Canadian, although I bet it's nicer than here
[06:45] <Burgundavia> secretlondon: yep
[06:46] <Burgundavia> mnepton: you are drunk
[06:46] <mnepton> Burgundavia: only on love for my fellow man. and fermented horse urine.
[06:46] <crimsun> gotta drown one's support^Wsorrows
[06:46] <Burgundavia> high?
[06:47] <mnepton> Burgundavia: high on life. and Afghani red.
[06:47] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: wouldn't you be after 2 weeks with canonical people?
[06:47] <imbrandon> hrm i wonder if irssi would run on my ipod ......
[06:47] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: I don't know, I didn't f**king go
[06:47] <StevenK> Dear. Bitter much?
[06:47] <elkbuntu> ajmitch, dont get him started please
[06:47] <LaserJock> hmm, well we know where he works and who his boss is ;-)
[06:47] <nixternal> elkbuntu: lol
[06:48] <ajmitch> elkbuntu: he has to let go of his hate sometime
[06:48] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: I work for a company that should be in the dailywtf
[06:48] <secretlondon> fire you hate that way
[06:48] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, logged channel
[06:48] <LaserJock> secretlondon: he does, that an Launchpad
[06:48] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: I am welll aware of that, thank you :)
[06:49] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, :
[06:49] <Burgundavia> I have done nearly everythign I can and they still won't fire me
[06:49] <StevenK> Why not resign?
[06:49] <Burgundavia> because we are ever so close to sanity
[06:50] <Burgundavia> and lots of shiny money :)
[06:50] <imbrandon> man i have that interview in ~12 hours and i'm not sleepy , man-o-man tomarrow is gonna be fun
[06:50] <StevenK> I figured that was the reason.
[06:50] <imbrandon> ohhh do you get a pony ? i want a pony ( but i'm in line after crimsun for one )
[06:51] <Burgundavia> no pony for me
[06:51] <imbrandon> darn
[06:51] <mnepton> o/~ For a heart without love is a song with no words and a tune to which no-one is listening. So your heart must give love and you'll find that you shine like rain on the leaves you'll be glistening. You have heard the loudest sound in this and every world you can think of. Louder than thoughts of dictators. Louder than rattling swords. Louder than loading of rifles. Louder than screaming warlords. Dancing us from darkest night is the rhythm
[06:51] <mnepton> of love.  Please advise as to its removal.  Want to see my 'serial connector'?"
[06:53] <StevenK> Hah
[06:53] <imbrandon> hehe
[06:53] <Lathiat> i often use irssi in 80x24
[06:53] <secretlondon> well via the lug irc channel
[06:53] <StevenK> secretlondon: What kind of Sparc?
[06:53] <Lathiat> depends if i can bf resizing the window at the time
[06:53] <secretlondon> StevenK: It's an ultra 1, I've already got 5 Sparcstations 20s that I got off freecycle
[06:54] <imbrandon> nice
[06:54] <StevenK> Ahh
[06:54] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: try counting characters when updating a book
[06:54] <ajmitch> somehow I don't think I'll try using a serial console as a pickup :)
[06:54] <StevenK> ajmitch: Hah
[06:54] <imbrandon> ajmitch: hahaha , even at a lug ?
[06:54] <imbrandon> lol
[06:54] <secretlondon> ajmitch: he's about 10 years younger than me so it's a bit of a bizarre one
[06:54] <ajmitch> not even ther
[06:55] <StevenK> "Will trade hardware for sexua..."
[06:55] <imbrandon> heh
[06:55] <ajmitch> bad StevenK
[06:55] <StevenK> Indeed, bad me.
[06:55] <secretlondon> decent hardware only
[06:55] <imbrandon> thats kinda like the paypal dontate button "not hungry, just broke" :)
[06:55] <secretlondon> old sunboxen that go for 15 on ebay don't count..
[06:55] <imbrandon> secretlondon: hahaha
[06:56] <StevenK> secretlondon: Haha
[06:56] <StevenK> secretlondon: How about an account on an amd64 machine? :-P
[06:56] <nixternal> spamassassin and bogofilter are the biggest waste of applications i have ever seen
[06:56] <secretlondon> an account only?
[06:56] <nixternal> it takes them forever to learn
[06:57] <StevenK> secretlondon: Well, I need the machine to do Ubuntu work on. :-)
[06:57] <imbrandon> StevenK: hhaha then many would "owe" me , LOL
[06:57] <StevenK> I wonder what your wife would say.
[06:57] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i suspect you're out of luck with that ;P
[06:57] <StevenK> Heck, I wonder what mine would. :-P
[06:57] <imbrandon> StevenK: not much as i got the final divorce papers 2 days before UDS
[06:57] <imbrandon> :)
[06:57] <Admiral_Chicago> where can people take their requests to add packages
[06:58] <StevenK> imbrandon: Neat. :-(
[06:58] <imbrandon> Admiral_Chicago: http://wiki.kubuntu.org/MOTU/Canidates
[06:58] <Admiral_Chicago> somone used LP and filed a bug to request a package in multiverse
[06:58] <secretlondon> Admiral_Chicago: I'm looking at thatone, it's non free
[06:58] <Admiral_Chicago> i don't know where to rederict theme
[06:58] <imbrandon> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MOTU/Packages/Candidates
[06:58] <imbrandon> ^^ sorry , there
[06:58] <secretlondon> yeah but it's non free
[06:58] <imbrandon> well in general, for future ref
[06:58] <secretlondon> it'd be a sync from debian, but debian non-free
[06:59] <Burgundavia> secretlondon: yay! for non-free supported crap. mnepton is clearly entirely too happy for a support person. We need to make his job harder. We could, say, ship a binary driver or two.
[06:59] <Admiral_Chicago> secretlondon: yes hence multiverse.
[06:59] <secretlondon> they claim the license is bsd-like, but debian clearly don't think so
[06:59] <Admiral_Chicago> imbrandon: so you would need a MOTU to package it?
[06:59] <Admiral_Chicago> i've been wanting to start packaging.
[06:59] <nixternal> Burgundavia: how about enabling composite by default?
[06:59] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: yeah well I got duped into packaging non-free stuff ;-)
[06:59] <secretlondon> frostwire needs doing..
[06:59] <Admiral_Chicago> i even talked to RichJ about it but i don't know where to start
[06:59] <nixternal> Admiral_Chicago: tell them my feelings about composite!
[06:59] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: Userful paid you good dollars for that packaging
[07:00] <nixternal> RichJ is a punk
[07:00] <Admiral_Chicago> secretlondon: bsd is completely different than GPL iirc
[07:00] <nixternal> wo0t, it is the 20th of november
[07:00] <imbrandon> richJ == nixternal
[07:00] <Burgundavia> canadian dollars even, none of that baseless US stff
[07:00] <Admiral_Chicago> composite is crap -- nixternal
[07:00] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: that check smelled a little Canadian though
[07:00] <nixternal> 3 days until mass amounts of turkey
[07:00] <Admiral_Chicago> imbrandon: i know it
[07:00] <secretlondon> Admiral_Chicago: it's not non-free, bsd would argue they were more free in fact
[07:00] <nixternal> there you go Admiral_Chicago  ;p
[07:00] <StevenK> imbrandon: And one less set of family to deal with?
[07:00] <secretlondon> nixternal: we only do turkey at xmas here
[07:00] <imbrandon> Admiral_Chicago: anyhow yes if you want to package something go for it, and put it on revu
[07:00] <imbrandon> StevenK: exactly
[07:00] <nixternal> secretlondon: if it were up to me, i would eat turkey every day
[07:00] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: besides, your packaging that means I get to use Ubuntu at my office
[07:01] <Admiral_Chicago> imbrandon: i'm not sure where to start. i found some links but not sure
[07:01] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: really?
[07:01] <secretlondon> nixetrnal: i buy it as it is cheaper per lb than chicken..
[07:01] <imbrandon> Admiral_Chicago: package guide
[07:01] <Admiral_Chicago> imbrandon: i have that link, hmm maybe nixternal can help.
[07:01] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: I decided to run Ubuntu in the Victoria office. having it packaged made it so much simpler
[07:01] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: i just volunteered you...
[07:01] <nixternal> im a red meat type of guy...i eat steak pretty much every other day, and mass amounts of pasta
[07:01] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: also, our officially packaged stuff doesn't wokr on Ubuntu as where as your stuff does
[07:02] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: well then I'm glad I took your companies money then ;-)
[07:02] <LaserJock> if only it had paid for the money I lost in Paris :/
[07:03] <imbrandon> you lost money ?
[07:03] <crimsun> purchasing godhood is expensive.
[07:03] <imbrandon> hehe
[07:03] <crimsun> (no, it was a bad experience.)
[07:04] <crimsun> TheMuso: I see you've been initiated into the joys of merging native-source NMUs.
[07:04] <ajmitch> LaserJock: that's only money
[07:04] <ajmitch> not a laptop, wallet, etc
[07:05] <Admiral_Chicago> i'll work on packaging that program
[07:06] <Admiral_Chicago> i put it in the bug report
[07:06] <imbrandon> hrm i think i'm going to put pure ubuntu on the lappy, as i have plenty of kubuntu workstations
[07:07] <imbrandon> well it sucks when i dont even have _one_ ubuntu box to check stuff on
[07:07] <imbrandon> who knows i might grow to like it , never more than kde though :)
[07:09] <imbrandon> hrm are there any gui mpeg/avi/some_movie_format to dvd.iso programs ?
[07:09] <LaserJock> imbrandon:  I had my wallet stolen in Paris
[07:09] <imbrandon> LaserJock: ouch
[07:09] <LaserJock> driver's license, money, all my credit cards, and stupidly my SS card
[07:10] <imbrandon> not cool, pasport ?
[07:10] <LaserJock> nope
[07:10] <imbrandon> luckly , still not cool at all
[07:10] <LaserJock> that's all I had left, and like 10 euros
[07:10] <ajmitch> join the club!
[07:10] <imbrandon> wow
[07:10] <LaserJock> and my cell phone didn't work
[07:11] <imbrandon> oh man
[07:11] <LaserJock> so I borrowed a phone from Jim McQuillan (LTSP guy) and Simon
[07:11] <LaserJock> so I could call the credit card companies and my wife
[07:11] <imbrandon> right right
[07:12] <LaserJock> Jim even loaned me $50 for the trip home
[07:12] <LaserJock> that's what the community's all about
[07:12] <LaserJock> it was my first trip out of the US really
[07:13] <imbrandon> yea definatley
[07:13] <elkbuntu> i wonder how ogra went with his wallet...
[07:13] <mnepton> elkbuntu: his passport was not in there, so he should be able to get home.
[07:13] <LaserJock> elkbuntu: he lost it?
[07:13] <elkbuntu> mnepton, i know that, but he was going to follow up over the next week
[07:14] <imbrandon> orga lost his in mtv?
[07:14] <elkbuntu> LaserJock, yeah, after the UDS dinner, at the club
[07:14] <LaserJock> must be an Edubuntu curse
[07:14] <imbrandon> ouch, not fskin cool
[07:14] <mnepton> elkbuntu: he wasn;t overly concerned at AH, or at least hid it well
[07:14] <imbrandon> mnepton: yall all back home ( or will be soon ) from AH
[07:14] <LaserJock> well, at least he has his pants :-)
[07:15] <nixternal> heh, welcome to the us, where your id/info is worth more that your weight in gold though
[07:15] <elkbuntu> mnepton, i think he'd come to terms by the time we got back to the hotel, but he was going to try find trace of it anyway
[07:15] <Admiral_Chicago> for real, it's ridiculously easy to steal someone's identity
[07:15] <secretlondon> the media go on about it all the time here, but i'm not sure how much it happens in practice
[07:16] <Burgundavia> Admiral_Chicago: it has always been though
[07:16] <secretlondon> the government are using it as an excuse to introduce id cards and a scary database
[07:16] <imbrandon> secretlondon: alot more than one would guess
[07:16] <elkbuntu> i was not at all concerned about leaving my stuff in the conference room, but outside there i was wary
[07:16] <mnepton> imbrandon: most of us are home, but some people are still in transit, and others are taking time off to explore SF.
[07:16] <imbrandon> mnepton: ahh cool
[07:16] <imbrandon> lol
[07:16] <imbrandon> night shift
[07:16] <mnepton> aye
[07:16] <imbrandon> 11p - 2a ?
[07:17] <Admiral_Chicago> Burgundavia: i guess you're correct. i've learned so many "this is how someone can steal your identity" off the news that I could probably do it
[07:17] <mnepton> ONE! ONE AM!  I WIN
[07:17] <Burgundavia> Admiral_Chicago: the primary difference now, as with copying stuff, is that it is easier to do
[07:17] <mnepton> 2300-0800 for me
[07:17] <Admiral_Chicago> heck i bet i could do get someone's information right now
[07:18] <elkbuntu> mnepton, those who didnt hear you and jono at uds will not appreciate that as much, you know
[07:18] <elkbuntu> or, at allhands as well, i guess
[07:18] <mnepton> elkbuntu: i pee on context.
[07:18] <imbrandon> wow ok
[07:18] <elkbuntu> hoookay
[07:19] <imbrandon> i think if the next UDS is in spain like mark hinted at, i'
[07:19] <imbrandon> m gonna take some extra time to see EU
[07:20] <StevenK> elkbuntu: Did you post my present, by the way?  StevenK gets gifts, and my ponies get slaughtered.
[07:21] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, super secret
[07:21] <secretlondon> ooh spain could be cheap enough for me to get to
[07:21] <crimsun> It just isn't fair! </wail>
[07:21] <StevenK> Hahaha
[07:21] <LaserJock> crimsun: lol
[07:21] <secretlondon> uk would obviously be cheaper
[07:21] <secretlondon> (for me anyway)
[07:21] <imbrandon> heh, every linux happening in 07 seems to be in the UK
[07:22] <secretlondon> I know - it's great
[07:22] <secretlondon> I need to decide which to go to
[07:22] <LaserJock> my wife says we need one in Hawaii
[07:23] <imbrandon> if i had the money i would, but alas , all the cool stuff you need lots of money for it seems
[07:23] <elkbuntu> yeah :(
[07:23] <LaserJock> yeah, lasers cost a ton
[07:23] <LaserJock> :-)
[07:23] <imbrandon> heheh
[07:23] <LaserJock> and then the sharks ...
[07:24] <imbrandon> sharks ?
[07:24] <LaserJock> sea bass are cheaper at least
[07:24] <ajmitch> sharks with frickin laser beams on their heads
[07:24] <lotusleaf> imbrandon: were I to win the lottery, I'd introduce america to the beautiful wonders of Kubuntu. :) Ahhh, K D E.. just say it, rolls off the tongue something fine.
[07:24] <elkbuntu> imbrandon, when a manta ray manages to kill an environmentalist, maybe
[07:25] <imbrandon> lotusleaf: :)
[07:25] <ajmitch> lotusleaf: I think customs may have something to say about that
[07:25] <imbrandon> elkbuntu: thats a stingray, manta's are harmeless
[07:25] <elkbuntu> imbrandon, i know that. that was my point
[07:25] <imbrandon> plus manta rays are much much larger
[07:25] <imbrandon> :)
[07:25] <elkbuntu> i know that as well
[07:26] <LaserJock> now now kids, let's not fight over who's ray is bigger
[07:26] <imbrandon> hrm , i just thought about it, i never hit the pool ( too cold ) so i never showed anyone my manta tattoo in UDS
[07:26] <imbrandon> LaserJock: hahahaha
[07:26] <lotusleaf> lol
[07:26] <lotusleaf> LaserJock: that's a topic if I've ever seen one
[07:27] <mnepton> i want a tattoo of a bigger penis on my penis.
[07:27] <elkbuntu> ...
[07:27] <Hobbsee> sigh
[07:27] <imbrandon> ....
[07:27] <elkbuntu> .....
[07:27] <mnepton> ...---...
[07:27] <Hobbsee> (< ....................
[07:27] <Hobbsee> pacman!
[07:27] <imbrandon> lol
[07:28] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: nah thats (< ...... o ........
[07:28] <Hobbsee> good point
[07:28] <imbrandon> :)
[07:28] <Hobbsee> mnepton: well, you certainly killed the conversation there.
[07:28] <Burgundavia> stabby stabby
[07:28] <ajmitch> must be a slow evening in montreal
[07:28] <LaserJock> sorry, didn't mean to go that direction
[07:29] <lotusleaf>  "Global Orgasm For Peace" http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_323212551.html
[07:29] <LaserJock> should have know the Canonical guy would do that ;-)
[07:29] <elkbuntu> mnepton, congratulations. you're weirder on IRC than you are in person.
 I have discovered that the "apt-get --purge remove kde-crap" works splendidly. Yours, Burgundavia
[07:33] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: hehe
[07:33] <nixternal> VoX: imbrandon isn't that cool that 76 people message him ;p
[07:33] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, rofl
[07:33] <VoX> heh
[07:33] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: kde basing mood tonight ?
[07:33] <imbrandon> bashing*
[07:34] <mnepton> you can freebase KDE?
[07:34] <mnepton> explains a lot.
[07:34] <imbrandon> lol
[07:34] <nixternal> imbrandon: im surprised he can even spell KDE
[07:34] <imbrandon> just rool it into one of your smokes mnepton
[07:34] <nixternal> at least our DE doesn't need dr. scholls
[07:34] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: well, I started the language selector thingy and it started downloading the kde lang pack. I was like "why I am getting this giant steaming pile?" I already have the gnome-en-steaming-pile downloaded
[07:35] <imbrandon> ahh
[07:35] <mnepton> "wow! this goes right to your head! everything is shiny and ... OH GOD! MY HEAD IS ON FIRE!"
[07:35] <Burgundavia> then I remembered I installed konsole and I so I nuked that and all was good
[07:35] <Hobbsee> is there any form of good pinball under linux?  the one in repos sucks, and i never got the one distributed with windows under wine
[07:35] <nixternal> Hobbsee: i found one on sourceforge a while back that was good
[07:36] <Hobbsee> i think that's the one i found
[07:36] <nixternal> but i can't seem to find it..i was playing it on my brothers computer earlier
[07:36] <nixternal> hehe
[07:37] <imbrandon> definately a strange night on irc
[07:38] <Hobbsee> hmmm.  aparently the one on windows will work under wine.
[07:39] <nixternal> i don't drink
[07:39] <nixternal> so i guess i can't play it then
[07:39] <nixternal> ;p
[07:39] <mnepton> for the record, Canonical Support has the *best* on-hold music evar. that is all.
[07:39] <Lathiat> what is it?
[07:40] <mnepton> "Sea Green" by William Orbit
[07:40] <imbrandon> mnepton: slipknot ?
[07:40] <nixternal> hahaha
[07:40] <nixternal> william orbit!!
[07:40] <imbrandon> did jeff pick it ?
[07:40] <imbrandon> heh
[07:40] <elkbuntu> is it 'i dream of jeanie'
[07:41] <mnepton> elkbuntu: changing it now. just for you.
[07:41] <imbrandon> lol
[07:41] <Lathiat> http://www.williamorbit.com/ has sea green
[07:42] <nixternal> i hope sabdfl doesn't read this log, he will be upset to see that you are hanging out on IRC while on the clock ;)
[07:42] <imbrandon> not really
[07:42] <ajmitch> mnepton is often on irc :)
[07:43] <LaserJock> every Canonical is on IRC on the clock
[07:43] <nixternal> all i did was hang out on irc when i worked at at&t and microsoft..but ms had an issue with that obviously
[07:43] <imbrandon> very often, just not in -motu mostly ( till tonight )
[07:43] <ajmitch> isn't it great to have a celebrity in our midst?
[07:43] <imbrandon> nixternal: shouldent you be in the SuSE chan ?
[07:43] <nixternal> heh, probably
[07:44] <nixternal> imbrandon: watch it, i will let cats out of the bag
[07:44] <mnepton> nixternal: of course they did. any company that architects something like MS Comic Chat obviously has absolutely no understanding of IRC.
[07:44] <nixternal> hahahaha
[07:44] <nixternal> omg comic chat
[07:44] <imbrandon> mnepton: hahaha
[07:44] <mnepton> oyg.
[07:44] <nixternal> that is so 286
[07:44] <nixternal> ;p
[07:44] <nixternal> that was rediculous
[07:46] <mnepton> *shudder*
[07:46] <nixternal> heh
[07:50] <LaserJock> wahoo
[07:50] <LaserJock> 3 reviews done
[07:50] <ajmitch> well done
[07:50] <imbrandon> secretlondon: wasent it you last night that was talking about second life ?
[07:50] <secretlondon> yeah
[07:50] <secretlondon> there is an alpha client
[07:51] <imbrandon> check this : http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/11/20/0218221&from=rss
[07:51] <secretlondon> i don't have good enough net to access it atm
[07:51] <imbrandon> ingame worm
[07:51] <secretlondon> there's been several self replicating objevcts that have taken the grid down
[07:51] <imbrandon> yea, thats too funny
[07:51] <LaserJock> ajmitch: and not a single one advocated ;-)
[07:51] <imbrandon> there is a linux alpha client ?
[07:52] <imbrandon> i might have to check that out sometime
[07:52] <imbrandon> waste soem cpu cycles
[07:52] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I'm impressed
[07:52] <imbrandon> hrm someone want to post me a PS3 so i can load ubuntu on it and show the fc5 guys up
[07:52] <secretlondon> yep - linux alpha client done by iccarus
[07:53] <LaserJock> ajmitch: with my review or not advocating
[07:53] <ajmitch> LaserJock: both
[07:53] <ajmitch> imbrandon: it probably won't be that impressive
[07:53] <imbrandon> ajmitch: yea there was a ton of hype about it, but its got to be better than my xboxes running gentoo ( faster )
[07:54] <secretlondon> imbrandon: that sounds not much different from the ones they've bene having for the last 12 months
[07:54] <imbrandon> secretlondon: probably not
[07:54] <ajmitch> imbrandon: maybe - a standard linux distro won't use much of the SPE power
[07:54] <imbrandon> secretlondon: i just noticved them though
[07:54] <ajmitch> since apps need to be written to use them
[07:54] <secretlondon> they use linden scripting language
[07:54] <imbrandon> ajmitch: true
[07:54] <secretlondon> it's not that powerful
[07:55] <imbrandon> but neither is my celeron 733 mhz xboxes
[07:55] <imbrandon> hehe
[07:55] <imbrandon> with only 64mb of ram
[07:56] <imbrandon> its funny though in the fc5 video, when he is showing off the gnome desktop on the ps3, he said "you should be familiar with gnome if you run ubuntu on your PC" , hehehe
[07:56] <imbrandon> thats totaly classsic
[07:57] <elkbuntu> "Apparently, most people are willing to touch an object they've never seen before" .. well yeah, "Spinning gold rings" fall in to the 'OOH SHINY' category of things.
[07:57] <imbrandon> realist: same way the rest of us do, multi task and backlogs :)
[07:57] <imbrandon> support is mostly email and phone anyhow :)
[07:57] <secretlondon> there have been loads of self-replicating objects - they started out as tubgirl things made by one of the something awful crowd
[07:58] <secretlondon> second life goes through phases of mass hysteria which gets tiring
[07:58] <realist> imbrandon: I wasn't necessarily referring to support, more like, chat impeding on constructive use of time ;p
[07:58] <secretlondon> it interferes with their sim nesting, and the other crap that people do when they have the choice to do more interesting things
[08:00] <nixternal> omg tubgirl
[08:00] <nixternal> at one time in 1999, if you googled my old nick, it was tied in for spamming every efnet channel with that
[08:00] <nixternal> and so the first thing for my nick in google was tubgirl
[08:00] <secretlondon> :(
[08:01] <secretlondon> nixternal: how did that happen?
[08:01] <nixternal> i have no clue
[08:01] <imbrandon> wow, now thats something to brag about , heh
[08:01] <nixternal> i didn't do it
[08:01] <nixternal> someone used my same nick and did it
[08:01] <imbrandon> infact i think it was mnepton i was telling in UDS ( along with the other smokers ) about tubgirl
[08:01] <imbrandon> lol
[08:02] <nixternal> i never been on efnet for more than 2 minutes in my life
[08:02] <Burgundavia> why was gaim-meanwhile dropped from edgy?
[08:02] <secretlondon> wikipedia has a page on shock sites - you can find them all there
[08:02] <nixternal> ya, tubgirl was the first rated x image rotten.com ever did in 1996
[08:02] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: because it was incorporated in gaim source package, but not built due to main/universe split
[08:03] <mnepton> imbrandon: yeah, we had a tubgirl convo. turns out it's *not* my mom. so there. :P
[08:03] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: so how does an edgy user use meanwhile?
[08:03] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: they don't
[08:03] <secretlondon> mnepton: it's your girlfriend?
[08:03] <Burgundavia> oh
[08:03] <secretlondon> or is that goatse?
[08:03] <imbrandon> mnepton: lol
[08:03] <nixternal> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tubgirl
[08:03] <mnepton> secretlondon: not any more.
[08:03] <nixternal> heh, wikipedia has all of the oldies on there
[08:04] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: it will probably get backported at some point i woudl assume
[08:04] <nixternal> rotten.com and faces of death...2 things i couldn't look at w/o getting sick
[08:04] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: right, that is lovely
[08:04] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: there are binary only relegations
[08:08] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: correct
[08:08] <ajmitch> but libmeanwhile-dev is in universe
[08:08] <ajmitch> & a source package in main cannot build-depend on anything in universe
[08:08] <Burgundavia> a little frustrating, because ti is a regression
[08:08] <ajmitch> I know
[08:09] <ajmitch> take it up with the friendly support people :)
[08:09] <Burgundavia> did somebody just no write a MIR for libmeanwhile
[08:09] <Burgundavia> ?
[08:09] <ajmitch> probably not
[08:09] <mnepton> we touch very, VERY little in Uni or Multi
[08:10] <ajmitch> aw
[08:10] <ajmitch> probably a good thing :)
[08:10] <ajmitch> leave that for the MOTUs to break
[08:10] <LaserJock> yeah, we don't want any crazy Canonical people touching our perfect breakage
[08:11] <freeflying> anyone working on opensync-plugin-* stuff now?
[08:11] <ajmitch> azeem owns them
[08:11] <ajmitch> freeflying: you wanting them merged?
[08:12] <freeflying> ajmitch: ya, and upgrade to the lastet
[08:16] <ajmitch> hi Lure
[08:16] <Lure> hi ajmitch & others
[08:20] <mnepton> they called the club the "two headed cow." put your hate, clipped and distant of your love. rest assured this will not last. take a turn for the worse. the pilgrimage has gained momentum.
[08:21] <imbrandon> there isnt much us ( as freenode staff ) can do about inter channel poltics and the ban, you will have to take that up with b0at and or the other channel ops, but we can and will keep a close eye on the channel and make sure it dosent go overboard
[08:21] <imbrandon> gah wrong window, sorry
[08:22] <imbrandon> i hate irssi at times
[08:22] <freeflying> Lure: hi
[08:22] <imbrandon> heya Lure
[08:23] <ajmitch> poor imbrandon :)
[08:23] <Lure> imbrandon: drop some channels and at least probability will decrease ;-)
[08:23] <elkbuntu> yeah, as if you'd agree to be freenode staff...
[08:24] <imbrandon> elkbuntu: huh ?
[08:24] <imbrandon> Lure: hehe
[08:24] <sivang> morning
[08:25] <imbrandon> elkbuntu: i'm on "/stats p" atm so i get all the fun PM's
[08:25] <imbrandon> sivang: moins
[08:25] <elkbuntu> imbrandon, staffing freenode is not personally on my lists of 'things to make me go insane'
[08:25] <elkbuntu> there's plenty of less painful ways to achieve that
[08:25] <imbrandon> lol
[08:25] <sivang> moin moin imbrandon
[08:25] <imbrandon> its not actualy that bad
[08:25] <imbrandon> alot less bad then when i agreed to try it
[08:25] <realist> imbrandon: set up a generic cloak for me please :-)
[08:26] <elkbuntu> hehe
[08:26] <imbrandon> realist: is your name registered ?
[08:26] <mnepton> @gline.target
[08:26] <ubuntu-es> mnepton: Error: "gline.target" is not a valid command.
[08:26] <elkbuntu> rofl
[08:26] <mnepton> ubuntu-es: chupa mi culo.
[08:26] <ubuntu-es> mnepton: Error: "chupa" is not a valid command.
[08:27] <mnepton> tease.
[08:27] <realist> imbrandon: yes
[08:27] <imbrandon> realist: k one minute
[08:29] <imbrandon> realist: Before we can make a cloak for you, please check that you have done all the steps at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup - especially the email and and alternate nick setup. It *is* important! Let me know when that's done?
[08:29] <ajmitch> imbrandon: cut & paste? ;)
[08:29] <imbrandon> ajmitch: yea
[08:29] <imbrandon> heh
[08:30] <ajmitch> too obvious
[08:30] <Lure> ajmitch: so imnotbrandon ;-)
[08:30] <imbrandon> i need to set an alias for it
[08:35] <realist> imbrandon: I think that's all done
[08:35] <imbrandon> k
[08:38] <imbrandon> Cloak for [realist]  has been toggled [ON]  and changed to [unaffiliated/realist]
[08:38] <imbrandon> done
[08:38] <realist> cheers ;-)
[08:39] <imbrandon> ajmitch: you have a uber ubuntu one :)
[08:40] <ajmitch> meh
[08:41] <Lathiat> should be super/ajmitch
[08:41] <imbrandon> i dont even have a staff cloak /yet/
[08:41] <ajmitch> you deserve one
[08:41] <ajmitch> then you get all the groupies on irc
[08:41] <crimsun> woo, groupies!
[08:42] <crimsun> these dead ponies just ain't the same
[08:42] <secretlondon> freenode groupies?
[08:42] <Lathiat> ooh, dead pony jokes, thats low
[08:42] <ajmitch> Lathiat: we were talking about pony sacrifices earlier
[08:43] <ajmitch> secretlondon: don't you wish you had some?
[08:43] <secretlondon> ajmitch: I guess so
[08:43] <imbrandon> dont kill the ponies
[08:44] <ajmitch> mean
[08:45] <mnepton> PONY!
[08:48] <Burgundavia> mnepton: how good is your chipset coverage in your test lab?
[08:49] <mnepton> Burgundavia: pretty good for Intel stuffs. and Sun.
[08:49] <Burgundavia> mnepton: just wondering. Looking at the huge numbers of obsolete and old docs here
[08:49] <mnepton> Burgundavia: "here" being ... ?
[08:50] <Burgundavia> mnepton: the help wiki
[08:50] <Burgundavia> minghua: ping
[08:51] <minghua> Burgundavia: yes?
[08:51] <Burgundavia> minghua: Japanese Input: ref : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JapaneseInputHowToInBreezy
[08:51] <Burgundavia> how much of that is obsolete?
[08:52] <imbrandon> rob: ping
[08:52] <rob> imbrandon: pong
[08:52] <imbrandon> kk
[08:52] <imbrandon> ajmitch: op up for a sec please, then un op
[08:53] <imbrandon> ...
[08:53] <imbrandon> hrm
[08:53] <rob> ok, well I cannot op up in here without my staff access either
[08:53] <imbrandon> strange, ok
[08:53] <minghua> Burgundavia: not really obsolete, however: (1) packages not in main, while we have another Japanese input method in main; (2) a lot of the suggestions are probably not the best ones
[08:54] <imbrandon> ahh there it go's
[08:54] <ajmitch> imbrandon: happy?
[08:54] <imbrandon> yup
[08:54] <imbrandon> thanks
[08:54] <minghua> Burgundavia: but I don't use uim myself to give a more educated opinion
[08:54] <ajmitch> what did it do?
[08:54] <rob> hmm what the?
[08:54] <Burgundavia> minghua: is there somebody I could bully into rewriting that?
[08:54] <imbrandon> ajmitch: trying to fix the access rights a bit
[08:54] <imbrandon> rob: see?
[08:54] <ajmitch> imbrandon: ok..
[08:54] <ajmitch> imbrandon: I'm happy :)
[08:55] <minghua> Burgundavia: other than me?  I'm afraid no, at least I am not aware of
[08:56] <imbrandon> hrm now i cant deop
[08:56] <ajmitch> heh
[08:56] <enyc> Im having a bizarre bug with ubuntu-dapper (on amd64-server) with  "qpsmtpd" package. (an SMTPD listener that injects mail into MTAs or Maildir, written in perl) -- On system reboot, the needed /var/run/qpsmtpd directory seems to vanish and I have to add 2 lines to mkdir/chown /var/run/qpsmtpd in the init script !  ?is anybody here familiar with this sort of problem?
[08:56] <ajmitch>  /deop imbrandon
[08:56] <crimsun> you can't deop yourself?
[08:56] <rob> imbrandon: ok, leave it with me
[08:56] <imbrandon> ahh there we go
[08:56] <imbrandon> rob: thanks
[08:56] <ajmitch> enyc: file a bug if it's not already there
[08:57] <ajmitch> if there's a bug, attach a patch
[08:57] <enyc> ajmitch: fair enough... is something set to clear /var/run  on ubuntu-boot that doesn't happen in debian?
[08:57] <crimsun> /var/run is tmpfs
[08:57] <crimsun> it always goes away
[08:58] <minghua> that /var/run problem is well known
[08:58] <minghua> debian-devel list had a long discussion a few days ago
[08:58] <enyc> I see I see
[08:59] <enyc> so packages that include a /var/run/??? dir  as part of the post-install of the .deb wll work.... but not after reboot
[09:00] <enyc> minghua: hrrm what conclusions/decisions were made about that then?
[09:00] <crimsun> the correct fix is to add the requisite stanzas to debian/{foo.,}init
[09:00] <crimsun> (for Ubuntu, that is)
[09:00] <minghua> enyc: I remember one way is to check and make the directory in the /etc/init.d/ script
[09:00] <enyc> crimsun: I see, wihch then puts them in the init.d scrupt
[09:00] <lotusleaf> SABDFL has a posse poster released for download: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=296742
[09:01] <minghua> enyc: I don't really remember, I am not familiar with daemon things
[09:01] <enyc> I think I shall look at adifferent ubuntu package that also has a dir in /var/run ;-)
[09:01] <enyc> thankyou all ;-)
[09:01] <crimsun> enyc: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-January/000048.html
[09:01] <enyc> I shall post bugreport whin I have patched it  (or failed to patch it)
[09:45] <imbrandon> wow
[09:45] <imbrandon> room dies
[09:47] <pygi> imbrandon: nah :P
[09:51] <elkbuntu> imbrandon, i could try start it back up again... :
[09:52] <imbrandon> nah
[09:54] <elkbuntu> but it was so fun!
[10:01] <elkbuntu> oh HELL no
[10:02] <elkbuntu> thank goodness im not in it
[10:02] <pygi> lol
[10:02] <mnepton> nice work controlling that gag reflex.
[10:03] <StevenK> Hah
[10:03] <StevenK> Kind of interesting getting into a rolled up sleeping bag, too.
[10:03] <azeem> freeflying: I'll update the opensync plugins in Debian once etch releases and will then sync them over, unless somebody else takes action first
[10:05] <StevenK> If a package has been uploaded to Debian as native, should I fix it to not be in the merge to Ubuntu if it isn't supposed to be...
[10:05] <imbrandon> StevenK: huh ?
[10:06] <crimsun> StevenK: that's really up to you.
[10:06] <crimsun> personally I tend to try and avoid deltas, but if you feel correctness is more important, then go for it
[10:07] <StevenK> Meh, don't care enough.
[10:14] <freeflying> azeem: why no libopensync-plugins-palm in ubuntu?
[10:19] <mnepton> http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=297145806&size=l
[10:19] <mnepton> fabbione, silbs, mnep, sabdfl.
[10:20] <imbrandon> mnepton: was that at AH ?
[10:20] <mnepton> aye
[10:22] <mnepton> http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=291033538&size=l
[10:26] <azeem> freeflying: somebody synced them recently and maybe forgot, I haven't looked at opensync in Ubuntu since it was clear 0.19 wouldn't make it into edgy
[11:34] <xerxas> Hi all !
[11:36] <xerxas> Hi
[11:39] <Hobbsee> heya
[11:41] <mnepton> arr.
[11:49] <sivang> mnepton: on the night shift again? :)
[11:51] <mnepton> sivang: never been off it. just interrupted for UDS and AH
[11:51] <sivang> mnepton: ah, I see, already back on Quebec ?
[11:51] <sivang> mnepton: (I didn't know folks could claim the night shift indefintely ;))
[11:52] <mnepton> sivang: i'm Canonical's token vampire.
[11:52] <sivang> hahah
[11:53] <Hobbsee> er....
[11:53] <mnepton> arr! i love ya, lass! but i'm married t'd'sea! yar.
[11:53] <sivang> HAHA
[11:53] <sivang> mnepton: dude sounds like you could use some compnay there on the graveyard shift
[11:53] <sivang> mnepton: how busy can it get at nights?
[11:54] <Hobbsee> ARRR!
[11:54] <mnepton> sivang: busy enough
[11:54] <mnepton> Hobbsee: you're just making it worse. women in pirate garb are a personal weakness. arr.
[11:55] <Hobbsee> oh dear.
[11:55] <sivang> Hobbsee: don't encourage him :)
[11:55] <sivang> Hobbsee: he's getting out of hand
[11:55] <sivang> s/hand/control/
[11:55] <Hobbsee> sivang: so it seems.  oh dear is all i can say.
[11:55] <sivang> hehe
[11:55] <Hobbsee> good thing i dont work for canonical.
[11:55] <sivang> Hobbsee: I'm sure it's all </jokes> don't take him seriously he's a really nice guy , trust me
[11:55] <mnepton> lies!
[11:56] <mnepton> (and let's not get into my personal hygiene. or lack thereof.)
[11:57] <Hobbsee> mnepton: you should have been here on talk like a pirate day.
[11:58] <mnepton> Hobbsee: by request of the world's population i was not allowed on the Interblag on TLAPD
[11:58] <mnepton> :/
[11:59] <Hobbsee> TLAPD?
[11:59] <Hobbsee> oh right
[11:59] <Hobbsee> hah
[12:05] <fernando> moin
[12:47] <bhale> what is mario danic's irc name
[12:48] <siretart> bhale: pygi, IIRC
[12:49] <bhale> right
[12:49] <bhale> you cannot comment on his blog w/o making an account
[12:49] <gnomefreak> who is a motu reviewer?
[01:07] <sivang> bhale: which post do you wish to comment on?
[01:44] <giskard> sivang, ping
[01:45] <sivang> giskard: pong
[01:45] <sivang> giskard: although I have very bad ntwork, could disconnect without warning
[01:46] <giskard> sivang, what about libnotify/notification daemon?
[01:47] <sivang> giskard: looks good, should upload today
[01:47] <sivang> giskard: have you uploaded 0.3.6 to debian?
[01:47] <giskard> sivang, you are building it against libgtk2.10?
[01:47] <giskard> (libnotify)
[01:48] <giskard> sivang, no :(
[01:48] <giskard> sivang, g-p-m need 0.4.3 (built with gtk2.10 support) so i'm waiting you ;)
[01:50] <sivang> giskard: so you need libnotify to be rebuilt against libtk2.0 ?
[01:50] <giskard> sivang, yes, because of this
[01:51] <sivang> giskard: right, seems like a simple sync, I'll ping you when it's done
[01:51] <slytherin> giskard: ping.
[01:52] <giskard> notification.h:90:#if GTK_CHECK_VERSION(2, 9, 2)
[01:52] <giskard> sivang, for the notify_notification_new_with_status_icon()
[01:52] <giskard> slytherin, :)
[01:54] <slytherin> giskard: I pinged you because we both are on bluetooth team. I recently made packages for the vfs module developed by James. I am not a MOTU. SO I wanted to know if anyone can take over from me and include these packages for feisty.
[01:54] <ogra> giskard, libnotify is a manual merge listed on MOM ... slomo seems to be responsible for it
[01:55] <giskard> slytherin, yeah :) could you point me to the sources + diff + dsc
[01:56] <giskard> ogra, right, but afaik sivang is working on it. if you wait a sec i will point you to mai diff dsc
[01:56] <slytherin> giskard: I haven't uploaded them anywhere. I just added binary packages on wiki. I will do that in my night. Also the packages are built from svn and bzr branch. So can't really point to sources.
[01:57] <giskard> slytherin, orig.tar.gz + package.diff.gz and package.dsc :)
[01:59] <slytherin> giskard: I will try to get original sources. Rest of the files I will upload somewhere in my night. Currently in office working on win2K
[01:59] <giskard> :(
[02:05] <slytherin> giskard: Meanwhile, you can try the packages and provide me feedback. Check 'Edgy+1' section of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bluetooth/TODO
[02:05] <giskard> oki!
[02:05] <giskard> i will try it
[02:29] <xerxas> giskard,  Hi !
[02:29] <xerxas> do you know if there's already some stuff to do with telepathy for feisty ?
[02:34] <giskard> xerxas, i guess we have already pushed all the packages in feisty, also t-sharp
[02:34] <xerxas> t-sharp ?
[02:34] <xerxas> is that c sharp telepathy bindings ?
[02:35] <giskard> yeah
[02:36] <gnomefreak> anyone here on the ubuntu-science team that has a few minutes
[02:46] <xerxas> Package libboost-thread-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[02:46] <xerxas> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[02:46] <xerxas> is only available from another source
[02:46] <xerxas> E: Package libboost-thread-dev has no installation candidate
[02:46] <xerxas> E: Could not satisfy build-dependency.
[02:46] <xerxas> E: pbuilder-satisfydepends failed.
[02:47] <xerxas> this is in pbuilder, but I can install it on a feisty
[02:47] <xerxas> I have this in my pbuilderrc: COMPONENTS="main restricted universe multiverse"
[02:47] <xerxas> but I have created my pbuilder before changing that
[02:48] <xerxas> should I update, or recreate my pbuilder chroot to allow multiverse packages ?
[02:48] <xerxas> (I think that libboost-thread-dev is in multiverse )
[02:49] <slytherin> xerxas: Try 'pbuilder update --override-config once'
[02:49] <xerxas> slytherin,  what is it supposed to do ?
[02:49] <xerxas> change the sources.list within the chroot ?
[02:50] <xerxas> (slytherin, thanks)
[02:50] <slytherin> xerxas: Yes. Because I had forgot the universe component and just doing a pbuilder update didn't help. Someone on this channel told me about that option
[02:51] <xerxas> slytherin,  ok ! great !
[02:52] <geser> xerxas: if this doesn't work try 'pbuilder update --overwrite-config --othermirror "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty universe multiverse" '
[02:52] <geser> I hope I got the syntax right
[02:52] <xerxas> geser,  thank
[02:52] <xerxas> s
[02:57] <xerxas> slytherin,  geser , first solution works !
[02:57] <xerxas> thanks all !
[04:16] <slomo_> ogra, giskard: sivang is merging it
[04:16] <ogra> k
[04:34] <giskard> slomo_, yes i know ;)
[04:36] <slomo_> ok ;)
[05:14] <scotth> I'm bored, is there anything quick that someone who is bored might be able to knock out quickly?
[05:17] <zul> scotth: you might want to try triaging bugs in launchpad
[05:18] <fowlduck> scotth, www.digg.com = time waster of the century
[05:19] <scotth> I'm quite familiar with digg, I just felt like being useful today... funny that...
[05:19] <scotth> is there any docs on the proper way to triage bugs?
[05:22] <zul> yep check the wiki
[05:23] <scotth> thanks
[05:47] <bddebian> Heya gang
[06:23] <bhale> sivang: regarding beagle..
[06:23] <bhale> sivang: i will wait for him on irc
[06:27] <giskard> hello bhale
[06:31] <bhale> hi gis
[06:48] <Burgwork> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20061120
[06:48] <Burgwork> if somebody wants to write a reponse, we can fridge it
[06:49] <hub> be my guest
[06:49] <hub> write it
[06:51] <Burgwork> joejaxx: you have been added to DW
[06:52] <joejaxx> i found that out early this morning :)
[06:52] <joejaxx> laserjoc k told me
[06:53] <Burgwork> there are 3 Ubuntu derivs added to the list on DW this week
[07:01] <nixternal> Burgwork: there are 2 more ubuntu based distros in the waiting list as well
[07:01] <Burgwork> nixternal: yep, saw that
[07:01] <nixternal> i figured the multimedia one would have already been there..guess not
[07:02] <nixternal> actually, just 1, the kids without is a program similar to free geek
[07:07] <zul> it seems to me that everyone and their mothers have a derived distro
[07:08] <thom> that was kinda the point
[07:08] <zul> heh didnt think it that way
[07:08] <nixternal> i am developing Wooohoooobuntu
[07:09] <giskard> ogra, ping
[07:19] <bhale> !seen pygi
[07:19] <ubotu> I last saw pygi<EMAIL_ADDRESS>8h 17m 41s ago, quiting: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
[07:24] <chantrAw_> hi, i'm having trouble signing a package with pbuilder :s
[07:25] <chantra> I've tried pbuilder build xxxx.dsc --debbuildopts  -kmykey , but it did not seem to work :s
[07:31] <chantra> sorry, I should sign using debuild :s
[07:54] <enyc> hrrm I think I may have done omething silly rceating a bug in launchpad whotnot
[07:54] <enyc> I was trying te create a bug about dapper and qpsmtpd
[07:55] <enyc> ?how do I see all the bugs I have created?
[07:56] <slytherin> enyc: go to your profile, cleck Bugs in sidebar and then reported
[08:01] <teledyn_> hello, is there a baseline release of debian that packages can be built against to be usable/includable in ubuntu?
[08:02] <enyc> anyway... https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/qpsmtpd/+bug/72602
[08:02] <enyc> is there...
[08:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72602 in qpsmtpd "qpsmtpd fails after reboot due to /var/run/qpsmtpd lost by tmpfs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[08:02] <enyc> but I dont know howto tag that for daaaper or universe  or who to 'assign' the bug to
[08:02] <crimsun> teledyn_: no, build against Ubuntu.
[08:03] <crimsun> enyc: do not assign to anyone unless you have his/her express permission.
[08:04] <teledyn_> crimsun: if you want a package to be usable against debian and multiple debian-derived distros, would you need to build many packages then?  too bad you can't build just one
[08:05] <seaLne> they would need to be built for each however there might be very little changed in the source package apart from the distro to build for depending on the package
[08:05] <bluefoxicy> oprofile is still broken.
[08:05] <bluefoxicy> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/oprofile/+bug/69455  Fix released in debian.
[08:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 69455 in oprofile "bashism in oprofile's opcontrol script prevents user from setting any events" [Unknown,Fix released]
[08:07] <teledyn_> seaLne: given that feisty fawn isn't really a working distro yet, how would you build packages for it?  or would you wait?
[08:08] <teledyn_> seaLne: or would stuff in sid automatically at some point get included in it?
[08:08] <seaLne> using pbuilder
[08:08] <crimsun> bluefoxicy: I fixed that a while ago
[08:09] <crimsun> [did you check edgy-proposed]  ?
[08:09] <bluefoxicy> nope
[08:09] <bluefoxicy> proposed huh?
[08:09] <crimsun> right.
[08:09] <seaLne> !pbuilder
[08:09] <ubotu> pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[08:09] <crimsun> teledyn_: yes.
[08:10] <teledyn_> ah very cool    i used to build stuff for different releases in chroots
[08:10] <crimsun> teledyn_: (yes referring to generating multiple binary packages)
[08:14] <teledyn_> thanks guys
[09:05] <gnomefreak> LaserJock: you have a minute?
[09:05] <LaserJock> gnomefreak: depends, what's up?
[09:05] <gnomefreak> how much do you know about xdrawchem?
[09:06] <gnomefreak> xdrawcehm crashes on edgy but not on feisty  same version
[09:06] <LaserJock> no
[09:06] <azeem> gnomefreak: on startup?
[09:06] <LaserJock> it's not an edgy vs. feisty thing
[09:06] <LaserJock> no
[09:06] <LaserJock> when you use the text tool
[09:06] <gnomefreak> azeem: no on the text part of it
[09:07] <gnomefreak> damn hes good
[09:07] <LaserJock> but it only happens for some people
[09:07] <gnomefreak> lol
[09:07] <LaserJock> the bug author said it's because of an undeclared variable
[09:07] <LaserJock> so that for some people it's True and for some it's False
[09:07] <LaserJock> or something like that
[09:08] <gnomefreak> the varibles are hardcoded in source arnt they?
[09:08] <LaserJock> well, I'm not sure how it would work
[09:08] <LaserJock> I would *think* at runtime it would decide what it was
[09:09] <azeem> what's the bugnumber?
[09:10] <gnomefreak> thats a hard one let me see if i hav eit
[09:10] <gnomefreak> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xdrawchem/+bug/71851
[09:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71851 in xdrawchem "the program was closed unexpectedly" [Unknown,Unknown]
[09:15] <LaserJock> gnomefreak: but I have tested it on Edgy and it worked for me
[09:16] <gnomefreak> i dont have anything but a feisty pc atm :(
[09:16] <gnomefreak> yes i know bad bad bad
[09:17] <ajmitch> morning
[09:19] <LaserJock> morning ajmitch
[09:20] <LaserJock> ok, so I tried it on another edgy machine and it crashed
[09:20] <LaserJock> so for 2 edgy machines I have, 1 crashes and 1 doesn't :-)
[09:21] <zul> hey ajmitch
[09:24] <gnomefreak> thats weird
[09:24] <gnomefreak> theres got to be more than a varible issue than IMO
[09:27] <pygi> hey all
[09:28] <cbx33> LaserJock, want me to give it  ago
[09:29] <LaserJock> cbx33: yeah, just install xdrawchem on edgy or feisty machines
[09:29] <cbx33> how bad a crash?
[09:29] <LaserJock> and hit the text tool (little T on the left bar) and try to write something
[09:29] <LaserJock> it segfalts or something, brings up bug buddy for me
[09:29] <cbx33> ok
[09:29] <LaserJock> won't roast your system or anything like that
[09:30] <cbx33> works fine here
[09:30] <cbx33> ok, so archs anyone?
[09:30] <cbx33> I'm i386 here
[09:30] <cbx33> LaserJock, gnomefreak ?
[09:30] <LaserJock> i386 on all
[09:31] <LaserJock> cbx33: do you have any other edgy machines?
[09:31] <cbx33> grog...yes I do
[09:31] <cbx33> lemme grab the laptop
[09:35] <cbx33> ok same
[09:35] <cbx33> works fine
[09:35] <cbx33> reckon it's a pacakge causing the issue?
[09:35] <LaserJock> I really doubt it
[09:36] <gnomefreak> he says his fix fixed it iirc
[09:36] <sivang> bhale: you pinged me?
[09:36] <bhale> sivang: no.
[09:36] <rvalles> automake: configure.ac: installing `[.] /config.sub'; cannot run `libtoolize': No such file or directory
[09:36] <rvalles> etc
[09:36] <rvalles> where's libtoolize?
[09:36] <sivang> bhale: ah, I saw something "I'll wait for him on IRC" something, wasn't sure if it was addressed to me
[09:37] <bhale> it was answering your qwuestion
[09:37] <bhale> forget it
[09:37] <bhale> pygi: dont install beagle as a depend/suggest/etc please
[09:37] <sivang> bhale: ah, about beagle providing info about sizes/dir structs?
[09:38] <bhale> no
[09:38] <bhale> that was days ago
[09:38] <pygi> bhale: lol ^_^
[09:38] <bhale> please ask upstream
[09:38] <pygi> hey sivang btw. ^_^
[09:38] <pygi> bhale: you are talking to me to ask upstream?:P
[09:38] <bhale> pygi: no.
[09:38] <pygi> ok then :)))
[09:38] <LaserJock> gnomefreak: I can try his patch on my machine that crashes
[09:39] <sivang> bhale: so, you wanted to tell me something valuable, please tell me what is was as I am not following :)
[09:39] <bhale> sigh
[09:39] <gnomefreak> LaserJock: i would say if it works great but now will the people without the problem now get crashes :(
[09:39] <bhale> 07:07 #ubuntu-motu: < sivang> bhale: which post do you wish to comment on?
[09:39] <bhale> then, I answered
[09:39] <LaserJock> gnomefreak: we'll just have to find out
[09:40] <pygi> ping sivang :P
[09:40] <bhale> yawn
[09:42] <gnomefreak> hmmmm his debdiff is for feisty but he says the crash happens on edgy
[09:42] <gnomefreak> does that matter?
[09:42] <LaserJock> no
[09:42] <LaserJock> I think his assumption is that it'll happen on both
[09:42] <LaserJock> as it's the same source
[09:42] <gnomefreak> ah
[09:44] <sivang> pygi: pong
[09:45] <sivang> bhale: ah, right noted, thanks
[09:45] <sivang> bhale: sorry for being dumb about it
[10:04] <palski> gnomefreak: Oh, you are talkin about this unassigned variable thing :)
[10:07] <palski> hmm, I didn't find any good reference about this issue but here's something at least: http://archives.devshed.com/forums/windows-107/unassigned-local-variable-2055145.html
[10:16] <LaserJock> palski: I kinda understand that, but I still find it odd
[10:17] <LaserJock> wouldn't it randomly crash on the same computer?
[10:17] <palski> LaserJock: that is actually little odd to me too :) And I have no good explanation, for me it crashes on edgy everytime I try
[10:18] <nixternal> jeesh, kramer opened mouth, inserted foot, and actually sunk the rest of what career he had left i see
[10:18] <LaserJock> palski: I have one edgy machine that does and one that doesn't
[10:18] <nixternal> ok, wrong channel, but hey...*goes to #chiglug on oftc*
[10:18] <LaserJock> nixternal: oohhkay
[10:19] <nixternal> heh, it's all over the news today
[10:19] <zul> nixternal: yeah bunch of racist crap
[10:20] <nixternal> ya, he totally jumped off the deepend there
[10:24] <LaserJock> interesting how all the people in Seinfeld kinda did that
[10:24] <Simon80> link?
[10:27] <Simon80> anybody? link?
[10:28] <nixternal> link to what?
[10:28] <Simon80> kramer embarrassing himself
[10:28] <nixternal> if it is kramer, google kramer will provide a billion of them
[10:28] <nixternal> youtube has posted the rated pg version of it with the bleeps
[10:28] <Simon80> lol, Google: Kramer edition
[10:28] <Simon80> dammit, google tor lockout
[10:29] <Simon80> *restarts tor*
[10:32] <Simon80> not very good results :(
[10:38] <Simon80> can someone just link? lol
[10:38] <Simon80> I'm still trying!
[10:45] <Simon80> ah
[10:45] <Simon80> ty ty
[10:45] <Simon80> that's so awkward to be at in person
[10:45] <nixternal> heh
[10:48] <Simon80> I wouldn't say epithets, more like epithet, lol
[11:07] <Adri2000> Seveas: is the feisty-changes rss feed broken?
[11:07] <Seveas> not that I know of
[11:08] <Seveas> hmm, last mail 18/11
[11:08] <Seveas> will check
[11:08] <Adri2000> ok
[11:10] <Seveas> Adri2000, ah, mailserver problem
[11:23] <Seveas> Adri2000, fixed
[11:24] <Adri2000> cool, thanks
[11:24] <Seveas> thanks for notifying me
[11:25] <Adri2000> np :)