[13:21] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
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 Good morning 👋
 18.04.4 looks like a go
[16:02] <RikMills> 5.18.0 tars available to packagers :)
[16:02]  * RikMills builds them
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[16:28] <mamarley> Thanks, we really appreciate your work! :)


[03:21] <frankchen> hello
[03:22] <frankchen> how can i setup asus usb ac51
[04:05] <DANtheBEASTman> how can I turn off the display manager in 15.04? running `systemctl stop sddm` does in fact stop the display manager from running but also somehow the login prompt one normally sees in a tty and kills my ssh session.. `service sddm stop` does this too
[04:08] <DANtheBEASTman> and unless this is a feature it's also reproduced on live images
[09:04] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:28] <frankchen> hello
[10:28] <soee> hi
[10:28] <frankchen> can i use fimrware ralink to set up my wifi
[10:28] <frankchen> ??
[10:29] <frankchen> any one
[10:29] <skreech> !ralink
[10:31] <frankchen> hello
[10:32] <frankchen> it doesnt show my device RT2870
[10:34] <skreech> What kernel do you have?
[10:34] <frankchen> 4.2.0
[10:35] <skreech> Can You pastebin the output of lsusb ?
[10:36] <lordievader> frankchen: Do you run Xenial?
[10:36] <lordievader> !info linux-image-generic
[10:36] <lordievader> Ah, never mind Wily already had 4.2.
[10:37] <skreech> :-)
[10:38] <frankchen> Bus 004 Device 002: ID 8087:8000 Intel Corp.
[10:38] <frankchen> Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[10:38] <frankchen> Bus 003 Device 002: ID 8087:8008 Intel Corp.
[10:38] <frankchen> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[10:38] <frankchen> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
[10:38] <frankchen> Bus 001 Device 005: ID 045e:0719 Microsoft Corp. Xbox 360 Wireless Adapter
[10:38] <skreech> !pastebin
[10:39] <frankchen> https://paste.kde.org/pli4rrx54
[10:41] <lordievader> frankchen: Is the ralink firmware installed?
[10:41] <frankchen> what do you mean
[10:42] <frankchen> fimeware-ralink ??
[10:42] <frankchen> firmware-ralink_0.43_all
[10:43] <frankchen> ??
[10:43] <lordievader> !info firmware-ralink
[10:44] <mac__> Hello,Im new to IRc
[10:44] <lordievader> Hmm, well that yes. Seems it is no longer a seperate package. You could install linux-firmware-nonfree or something.
[10:45] <frankchen> Yep installed ,and then??
[10:45] <skreech> mac__: Hello
[10:46] <frankchen> hello
[10:46] <frankchen> IRC FC
[10:46] <frankchen> installed and whatshould i do
[10:46] <lordievader> frankchen: Well, it should work then. Does 'ip link' show the wireless chip?
[10:48] <frankchen> https://paste.kde.org/ponw5fwro
[10:49] <lordievader> frankchen: It is likely enx9acfe0d78e98
[10:49] <frankchen> It seems that it dosent  show
[10:50] <frankchen> I am  new Ubuntu user and i dont know what you mean
[10:50] <lordievader> frankchen: What is the output of 'sudo iw list'?
[10:51] <frankchen> oops
[10:51] <frankchen>  nothing
[10:51] <lordievader> Hmm, did you reboot after installing the firmware package?
[10:51] <frankchen> nope
[10:52] <frankchen> should i reboot
[10:52] <frankchen> ??
[10:52] <lordievader> Yes.
[10:52] <frankchen> OK wait for me
[10:54] <frankchen> hello
[10:54] <frankchen>  I am back
[10:55] <frankchen> nothing show on iw list
[10:56] <frankchen> lordievader
[10:57] <frankchen> are you there homie
[10:58] <lordievader> frankchen: Relax, this is IRC, contrary to popular belief a very indirect medium...
[10:58] <lordievader> frankchen: What does 'lsmod | grep rt2800' output?
[10:59] <frankchen> nothing
[11:00] <lordievader> frankchen: Does 'lsmod | grep 7601' return anything?
[11:01] <frankchen> nothing
[11:02] <frankchen> Ihttp://www.amazon.com/Dual-Band-Wireless-AC600-Wi-Fi-Adapter-USB-AC51/dp/B00HM0K61Y
[11:03] <lordievader> There might be something in the kernel log: dmesg | grep '7601\|rt2800'
[11:03] <frankchen> This is my adapter
[11:04] <denza242> lordievader: how would I reset the baloo database
[11:04] <lordievader> denza242: No idea, not something I use.
[11:05] <frankchen> https://paste.kde.org/p7ojte6p0
[11:05] <denza242> rip
[11:05] <frankchen> lordievader
[11:06] <frankchen> https://www.asus.com/us/Networking/USBAC51/
[11:07] <lordievader> frankchen: Not really what I was hoping for, did you try removing and reinserting the device after you had rebooted?
[11:07] <frankchen> https://paste.kde.org/pxwcijegr
[11:07] <frankchen> lol
[11:09] <frankchen> https://github.com/likwidoxigen/mt7610u_wifi
[11:09] <frankchen> Will this one work??
[11:10] <lordievader> Very unlikely, besides it is not really supported to run custom kernels.
[11:11] <lordievader> frankchen: This might help you: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2300091
[11:12] <frankchen> But my device is mt7610u
[11:14] <lordievader> There is a rt2870 on that github wich is linked to.
[11:16] <frankchen> so it might work,right??
[11:16] <lordievader> It might, if you take that one instead.
[11:34] <frankchen> still not work
[11:41] <lordievader> Is there a kernel module loaded this time though?
[13:17] <ubone> how can i contribute a few symlinks to the oxygen-icons to have the xdg-dirs work by default and use the available icons for downloads, videos, pictures, etc. dirs? http://i.imgur.com/uzomoY6.png
[13:20] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:00] <ProCat> hi
[16:16] <newbie> Hello!
[18:20] <bbruun> Just installed Kubuntu 15.10 and switching activities, after getting Meta-tab working is extremely slow and doing meta-tab fast after eachother makes some apps appear on the secondary activity, where they don't belong
[18:20] <bbruun> anyone know about tweaking the activity change settings?
[18:21] <bbruun> used to run Sabayon, same KDE/plasma version, where activity change was instantaneos - need to fix it
[20:36] <Guest247> hi
[20:37] <russellg_> hi
[20:37] <Guest247> i'm new here
[20:37] <russellg_> welcome to the party!
[20:37] <Guest247> how it works  ?
[20:37] <Guest247> thank you
[20:38] <russellg_> I'm pretty new too, but as far as I know, if you have questions here is a fantastic plcae to get answers.
[20:38] <soee_> !help
[20:38] <Guest247> oh that's great
[20:40] <Guest247> ok , why I can't  Install GyachE on my system  ?
[20:40] <russellg_> what have you tried?
[20:41] <soee_> !gyache
[20:41] <Guest247> GyachE messenger
[20:42] <soee_> !gyachi
[20:47] <Guest27112> hi
[20:47] <Guest27112> hi
[20:50] <tornado123> hi
[20:53] <soee_> hiho
[20:54] <tornado123>  where are you from ??
[22:17] <bibo> icone de rede não aprece na barra de tarefa do kubuntu 15.10


[15:14] <njin> hallo friends, which package is responsible to show the written appearing at plymouth asking to enter the passphrase for encryption in a lvm ancrypted system ? it only work on a 64 bit system and not in a 32 bit, only appear the box to insert the passphrase
[15:15] <xnox> njin: plymouth =)
[15:15] <xnox> njin: and cryptsetup initramfs hooks
[15:16] <njin> xnox, great as usual !!


[12:40] <SVP93> Hello all, I need a help with cloud init
[12:41] <SVP93> I have a custom application packged into deb file. And I am trying to install during late-commands.
[12:41] <SVP93> Through the console, I see it gets installed. However post restart after successful installation, the installed package is missing.
[12:42] <SVP93> I am trying with Ubuntu 20.4 live cd ISO image.
[12:43] <SVP93> Can anyone help me solving this custom package installation issue?
[17:11] <akutz> Hi @falcojr, this is Andrew from VMware. I think I figured out my issue re: IRC. I thought y'all were still on Freenode :)
[17:12] <falcojr> akutz: ooph, yeah...there was a bunch of freenode drama so we moved over here
[17:12] <falcojr> sorry if you've been speaking into the void
[17:13] <akutz> That's fine. I spent an hour and change trying to just get a valid SSO account and never succeeded. I saw the repo pointed to Libera, but I thought it was just a web client for IRC. Then I noticed it was a server in Textual and had the epiphany :)
[17:15] <akutz> Anyway, I was just checking to see if there is anything else I can or need to do re: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/953. I'm not trying to rush anyone (Chad specifically), but I also wanted to make sure there was not anything I could be doing async. Thanks!
[18:10] <falcojr> akutz: not at this time no. I think we just need to get the re-review done
[18:10] <akutz> falcojr: Ack, thanks.
[18:11] <akutz> Need any help with that? I think it looks pretty good... ;) Seriously, thank y'all again for making your way through such a large PR as quickly as you have.
[18:12] <falcojr> you're welcome...it'll be great to have the datasource in cloud-init proper
[18:14] <akutz> As I said in the PR, it will be great to stop seeing the same issue in my repo every other week, "When will this be in CI proper?" :)
[18:14] <akutz> I think it will also be nice to align all existing VMware subplatforms under a single DS instead of under the OVF DS.
[18:15] <akutz> That will thankfully make it easy for those DSs to inherit the same post-transport features of the GuestInfo DS.
[18:15] <falcojr> yeah, definitely
[18:16] <akutz> falcojr: FWIW, I added a deprecation notice to https://github.com/vmware/cloud-init-vmware-guestinfo last week since it seems like we're on a fairly consistent pace to merging this DS.
[18:17] <falcojr> good idea
[18:18] <akutz> It won't be a huge issue until there's a CI release with the new DS, but at the very minimum people could start pulling the files from the CI repo proper.
[18:19] <blackboxsw> akutz: thanks for finding us again. I'm glad to see you join here so we can fast track any back and forth conversations on landing this. I'm reviewing your latest todayt
[18:20] <akutz> blackboxsw: Heh, that's not why I joined, no, of course not... :) Look, it's ridiculous for me to expect y'all to merge this quickly if I won't even *try* to meet you half-way and use your preferred approach to async-communication outside of GitHub.
[18:22] <akutz> The fact is, I've been one of the largest proponents of cloud-init at VMware for three years since I joined in 2018. The problem is my interests and my responsibilities only align on occasion. My hope is that with this DS in CI proper we will have more opportunities to invest more resources (including myself) into CI.
[18:23] <akutz> Earlier this year I was named as the Solutions Architect for VM Service (https://core.vmware.com/blog/introducing-virtual-machine-provisioning-kubernetes-vm-service), and I've been exploring other platforms and how they align on specific guest customization engines. I helped create https://github.com/kubernetes-sigs/image-builder, and it was based on cloud-init. You can connect the dots :)
[18:25] <akutz> I've been in talks with the team responsible for Cloud-Init Prep at VMware (the Guest Tools team), and they're excited about DataSourceVMware, and I've rallied an effort with them to relocate their recent work in the OVF DS to the new VMware DS. So a *huge* thanks to you for pointing out the sub-platform bit to me!
[18:25] <blackboxsw> totally understood. this is a great improvement over the OVF datasource usage. My comments are more nits and paper cuts that were an annoyance in OVF maintenance a bit. Your approach in this VMware datasource is way simpler and much easier to comprehend/maintain.
[18:27] <blackboxsw> and I defintely recognize your efforts there, and was suprised/pleased that those efforts have come  to a PR for this. Every time I opened OVF datasource for previous merges, I would know the review would take a lot more time than other DSes because of re-learning and wading through a sea of very long methods which are hard to follow
[18:28] <akutz> Oh, my goals re: the OVF DS were not at all the result of anything you said or did. I had taken a more passive approach to merging this DS into CI proper over the last 18 months because of the work on CI Prep and wanting to respect there was a team dedicate to this at VMware. However, with continued calls to merge the GuestInfo DS, and realizing there was no "DataSourceVMware", it occurred to me there was a very simple path to merging the GuestInfo DS
[18:28] <akutz>  while maintaining support for both transport types. That's when I engaged the CI Prep team and we all figured out this path forward.
[18:28] <blackboxsw> Most of the lift too for VMWare-related "cost" in reviews has also typically come due to  lack of access to VMWare products to validate test and re-educate ourselves about the deploy lifecycle
[18:28] <akutz> >  Most of the lift too for VMWare-related "cost" in reviews has also typically come due to  lack of access to VMWare products to validate test and re-educate ourselves about the deploy lifecycle
[18:28] <akutz> Totally fair. That's why I love that it's possible to test/validate the GuestInfo transport with Fusion on the desktop :)
[18:29] <blackboxsw> +1 definitely
[18:29] <akutz> And huge shoutout to falcojr for turning me onto the @mockpatcher magic. That was amazing.
[18:29] <akutz> I made a lot of changes to the DS for merge, and with the new unit tests I have immense confidence that everything will continue to work as expected.
[18:40] <akutz> re: the OVF DS -- I cannot speak to why it was designed that way. My guess would be to keep the actual DS free of as much platform specifics as possible. But as you said, it makes chasing things down a PITA. Still, it *should* make it that much easier to move things into the new DS. Then, over time, move them into the DS directly as well to make walking the code easier. Still, with that much code, the walk is always going to be long. I think I will
[18:40] <akutz>  walk it myself and create an ASCII/PlantUML map for future explorers :)
[20:53] <akutz> blackboxsw mentioned he liked a comment I left in response to one of his reviews at https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/953/files#r682669808.
[20:53] <akutz> > FWIW, I've explained to others that I view CI and its datasources like an NES or SNES. CI is the console, and the datasources are the cartridges. Some datasources, like some cartridges, have extra functionality, i.e. specialized chips, that enhance the overall user experience. With respect to cloud-init, I always assumed this was on purpose.
[20:53] <akutz> Perhaps my impression is mistaken? I thought this would be a good discussion to have and am interested in what others think. Thanks!
[20:57] <blackboxsw> I think we generally get into that mode where each datasource/cloud-platform can own it's own implementation and begins to define features/extensions that are specific to their needs.
[20:59] <blackboxsw> Ultimately there is also a tension try to generalize any "goodnesss" or feature improvements that are generally applicable as best we can to make sure 1. we don't have 30 maintain different copies of slightly different functionality in unique datasources 2. We improve the features, stability, features of cloud-init globally where possible in "the console" or shared utility modules to garner more adoption and more
[20:59] <blackboxsw> contributions
[21:03] <akutz> Pretty much what I was thinking as well. Datasources are a good way to expose new functionality and limit that exposure at first. But when there is cause, it's also desirable to move the "goodness" into common areas.
[21:05] <blackboxsw> akutz: I'm trying to compare the detection logic you have in ds-identify in your PR vs the python _get_data detection as generally we want the python version of the code reflact do what ds-identify finds using bash. I note that your shell version detects env vars first, but python _get_data does it in a different order
[21:07] <blackboxsw> I don't **think** it's a problem... but trying to wrap my head around it. if we have env vars and rpctools we can never detect data from vmware-rpctool right?
[21:08] <akutz> blackboxsw: Good catch. I wish we could centralize the detection logic somehow to avoid mistakes like this. Regardless, the reason it's less important in *this* case is because those two are two sides of the same coin. The env var is almost a sub platform of a sub platform. The env var support was to introduce the GuestInfo DS to containers. It's not a "first-class" transport like guest info or OVF. Still, there's no reason to flip the order. I will
[21:08] <akutz>  rebase the PR real quick to update the _get_data function to be the same order as the ds-ident code.
[21:11] <blackboxsw> +1, ok, so by that logic flip in python we then could still override images which contain vmware-rpctool with envvars if needed for some strange reason.
[21:12] <blackboxsw> akutz: also one more thing it seems ds-itentify relies strictly on  DI_VIRT == "vmware" we probably need a comparable sanity chek in python _get_data with if "vmware" != dmi.read_dmi_data("system-product-name") : return False  right? or do you expect that we still "can" detect VMware datasource on platforms without system-product-name == "vmware"?
[21:13] <akutz> I'm fixing this now by the way
[21:13] <akutz> re: the order
[21:13] <blackboxsw> +1
[21:14] <akutz> blackboxsw: the only reason I added the DI_VIRT bit in ds-identify was because it was there. I didn't do that when the file was external. I can check to see if I can do that in the _get_data function as well. Still, I thought ds-identify was a little more exhaustive than the other?
[21:15] <akutz> blackboxsw: here's the diff for the order fix - https://gist.github.com/akutz/40825fc02b11d14072706e5c26dc80a4
[21:18] <akutz> blackboxsw: It doesn't appear the Azure DS checks DI_VIRT in DataSourceAzure either? I'm not trying to get around this by pointing to another DS, but simply asking what the preferred approach is here. Shouldn't there be a common call to get that info from the DS side?
[21:20] <blackboxsw> akutz: no worries, I don't think your trying to get out of it. I'm trying to recall the real reason as my recall on this is fuzzy. ds-identify tries to quickly whiddle down the number of potenial datasources which "could" be a match on a system to either a single match, or a list of "maybes". If the remaining list of potential DS matches is 1, then the python code will only attempt to source and run the only datasource
[21:20] <blackboxsw> ds-identify told us about
[21:21] <akutz> Yeah, I'm unfortunately too familiar with the ds-identify logic. It's how I learned about systemd-generators and why cloud-init did not seem to be installed on an Ubuntu host where I was developing the original DS :)
[21:22] <blackboxsw> I believe some systems have ds-identify disabled... but I need to recheck that "fact". If we don't have ds-identify running on boot in those envs, then the python code I believe will try to run through a list of all potential datasources in order, and if we have a discrepancy in that detection logic, environments where ds-identify is not operational **could** identify a different datasource than the python-only environments
[21:22] <akutz> So even the other DS, IBM, that uses DI_VIRT, does not do a one-to-one match with how they check the virt platform in the IBM DS. Seems to me this there is not a standard mechanism here. I'd be tempted to just remove the DI_VIRT check from the new DS's check function in ds-identify...
[21:22] <blackboxsw> so in your PRs case (and looks like Azure too). Notice OVF does perform this check in both ds-id and DataSourceOVF._get_data.
[21:23] <blackboxsw> sorry <enter> before I reviewed this comment ^.
[21:23] <akutz> OVF does, yes. And so maybe the new DS will get it for free when some of that code moves over. Still, I'm leaning towards removing it from the current PR because it may impact local testing with Fusion. I haven't verified yet if the platform is correctly set on those systems.
[21:23] <akutz> Doing that now
[21:24] <blackboxsw> +1 on removing it from ds-identify from the time being
[21:24] <akutz> Ack
[21:25] <blackboxsw> right becase if dis-id doesn't exist in some platform, you could "return True" in DataSourceVMware._get_data if     "vmware" != read_dmi_data("system-product-name")             . But a ds-id system would say no I didn't detect VMware as an option
[21:26] <akutz> Yep
[21:27] <blackboxsw> +1 on https://gist.github.com/akutz/40825fc02b11d14072706e5c26dc80a4
[21:28] <akutz> $ sudo systemd-detect-virt
[21:28] <akutz> vmware
[21:28] <akutz> (that's from Fusion)
[21:28] <blackboxsw> excellent, ok so maybe could remain be strict if you want it
[21:28] <akutz> so if we do want to put it back at some point in the new dscheck_VMware function, it will still be backwards-compat
[21:29] <akutz> blackboxsw: this is what I have right now. I haven't pushed it - https://gist.github.com/akutz/0e0b2fbaba26e42dc85adbb45030ff12
[21:29] <akutz> I'd rather work with y'all to figure out how to port this same logic into the DS code in a common way. Basically port the ds-identify file's "detect_virt" function into CI python so it's a field set at the base DS level.
[21:30] <blackboxsw> right, sounds like it. as it is now, systems without sudo systemd-detect-virt == "vmware" will spend more time looking for
[21:30] <blackboxsw>  presence of "vmware_has_rpctool"   but this is a minor time cost (and VMware detection is last in the discovery list too, so no impact to other datasources)
[21:30] <blackboxsw> ...reading
[21:31] <akutz> I'm fine putting the platform check into ds-identify for now and following up with a comparable check in the DS itself at a later date. Then again, as you said, the rpctool check isn't that expensive either, and VMware is last in the list.
[21:34] <akutz> I'm going to put the check in ds-identify and will add it later to the datasource. Does that work for you? I want to make sure we replicate the "detect_virt" function in Python before I add the check into the DS.
[21:34] <akutz> Right now it seems other DSs do their own thing to account for the fact that detect_virt isn't a thing in the Python side.
[21:36] <akutz> Although the current detect_virt logic in ds-identify does rely on SystemD being present if not FreeBSD
[21:36] <akutz> Hmmm. How about we omit the check for now and figure this out post-merge?
[21:37] <blackboxsw> akutz: what does this show on Fusion  python3 -c 'from cloudinit.dmi import read_dmi_data; print(read_dmi_data("system-product-name"))'
[21:37] <akutz> VMware7,1
[21:38] <akutz> So VMware is in there.
[21:38] <akutz> Is that field somewhere in the sys-info available to the DSs?
[21:38] <blackboxsw> hrm ok, we'll that'd break I think then unless we "vmware" in system_type.lower() or systemtime.lower().startswith("vmware")
[21:38] <blackboxsw> the DS can call dmi.read_dmi_data("system-product-name") like OVF currently does for that check
[21:39] <akutz> Ack
[21:39] <akutz> I don't mind doing that check then
[21:39] <akutz> Let me go ahead and add that.
[21:39] <blackboxsw> here is what I was thikning https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/main/cloudinit/sources/DataSourceOVF.py#L89
[21:40] <blackboxsw> it's best to be strict, but not completely necessary for now if you want to avoid it until next iteration. it's just good of ds-id and the python DataSourceVMware behave equivalently.
[21:41] <blackboxsw> so either add something in both, or drop from both probably
[21:43] <blackboxsw> sure enough https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/main/cloudinit/sources/DataSourceOVF.py#L99   'vmware' in system_type.lower():
[21:46] <akutz> Yep, that's what I copied
[21:46] <akutz> I'm trying to figure out what to mock to make sure the tests pass. Do you know if the data is read via a file?
[21:48] <blackboxsw> akutz: a sysfs file, but that'd be hard.
[21:48] <blackboxsw> might want to just @mock.path("dmi.read_dmi_data") .... I'm checking now
[21:48] <blackboxsw> also https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/953/files#r685543970
[21:48] <akutz> ah, it's "/sys/class/dmi/id/product_name"
[21:49] <akutz> Shouldn't be hard to mock
[21:49] <blackboxsw> ohhh you'd mock util.load_file or something
[21:49] <blackboxsw> +1. yeah
[21:50] <blackboxsw> also just wondering about the strict version dependency on netifaces. that might be a blocker to us releasing DataSourceVMware  support on earlier Ubuntu series.
[21:50] <blackboxsw> Bionic and Focal
[21:50] <blackboxsw> python3-netifaces | 0.10.4-0.1build4 | bionic
[21:50] <blackboxsw> we can cross that bridge if we have to, and limit the VMware datasource to  python3-netifaces | 0.10.9-0.2       | hirsute  and later.
[21:51] <blackboxsw> but I'm hoping the version diff doesn't matter
[21:52] <minimal> so what happens with detect_virt on a non-systemd Linux machine? (e.g. Alpine, which I maintain, or Gentoo)?
[21:52] <akutz> minimal: Today detect-virt depends on systemd or FreeBSD
[21:53] <akutz> But I didn't introduce that -- it's just the way it's written.
[21:53] <akutz> blackboxsw: Earlier versions of netifaces should likely work as well. I just picked the version that was there when I started using it.
[21:54] <akutz> but just like I started dropping all Py2 support, I was only looking forward with dependencies as well.
[21:54] <akutz> (following y'all's lead WRT Python)
[21:54] <akutz> I'll drop the version to 0.10.4 after looking at the release notes from the project
[21:55] <blackboxsw> +1 either way, we can tweak that in a separate PR later too
[21:55] <akutz> Yeah, it looks like we should stick with 0.10.9. At least 0.10.5! https://github.com/al45tair/netifaces/blob/master/CHANGELOG
[21:56] <akutz> In 0.10.5 they fixed "Respect interface priorities when determining default gateway"
[21:56] <akutz> That's a huge thing for the DS
[21:56] <akutz> I recommend focusing post-merge on a plan to move away from netifaces or how to backport specific things?
[21:56] <blackboxsw> +1 right
[21:56] <akutz> I'm fine with the DS not being in earlier Ubuntu versions for now
[22:16] <akutz> blackboxsw: https://gist.github.com/akutz/d7bc0d5b68dd32451fd2d152bff83f13
[22:16] <akutz> I'm going to go ahead and rebase the PR with the above diff that includes the virt type check for all non-env var transports
[22:20] <akutz> Okay, the PR is rebased with the above patch to now check for the platform in both places.
[22:23] <akutz> blackboxsw: Saw your comment on the diff -- it *should* pass the tests. I've been running them locally ahead of pushing changes.
[22:23] <akutz> With "make clean_pyc && PYTHONPATH="$(pwd)" python3 -m pytest -v tests/unittests/test_datasource/test_vmware.py tests/unittests/test_ds_identify.py"
[22:26] <blackboxsw> +1 excellent. I just mean I think we can land it if the continuous integration jobs pass on it. via `tox -p auto` I think
[22:26] <blackboxsw> takes into account pyflakes etc
[22:27] <blackboxsw> pylint  pytest  etc.
[22:31] <akutz> I check that stuff locally as well. Well, I run black on it. The only thing it doesn't catch are unnecessary imports. But I check those manually.
[22:32] <akutz> Not saying to not wait on CI. Just saying I expect it to pass :)
[22:32] <akutz> (it's totally going to fail now)
[22:37] <blackboxsw> PR looking good, final integration test running. expect we'll be able to land before morn. have to step away


[00:04] <LjL> it's a zoo. seriously.
[00:09] <LjL> jrib, the man who can think "mind your own darn business" and type "thanks".
[00:09] <jrib> heh
[00:11] <Hobbsee> mmm....zoos...
[00:17] <LjL> who's this pesky lj4 that keeps quitting and rejoining
[00:18] <jrib> ban his subnet
[00:18] <LjL> i'd say kline just for good measure
[00:18] <jrib> let's just kline *.it to be safe
[00:19] <LjL> jrib: don't say that aloud, there are networks that could actually do that. easily.
[00:45] <jrib> LjL: you know japanese?
[00:48] <LjL> jrib: no, i used babelfish
[00:48] <LjL> jrib: i had it already open in order to see what he was saying to me, so i just thought i'd respond to the "thank you" which he was so kind to give in two languages
[00:49] <jrib> LjL: I see, well now instead of being impressed by your mastery of japanese, I'm impressed by babelfish :)
[00:50] <LjL> jrib: why, you do know japanese?
[00:50] <jrib> LjL: no, but it's something I want to learn
[00:50] <LjL> i could have told him to sod off, for all i know
[00:50] <LjL> actually, when i checked by translating back into english, the translation was "how doing"
[00:50] <LjL> (i gave "you're welcome")
[00:50] <jrib> heh
[00:51] <LjL> google translate is usually better, but fails in konqueror and firefox takes time to start
[00:51] <LjL> although google translate is sometimes... quite... puzzling. it's probably because of the user-submitted translations, sometimes it really does some quite liberal renderings
[00:52] <LjL> jrib: i had indeed tried to learn some japanese anyway, but didn't put very much effort in it, there's basically only one hiragana character i can read =) i can say watashiwa itaria jin eru, though. maybe it's even right.
[00:58] <LjL> jrib: i should give you my PDA if you want to learn japanese, that's what got me started on it... a friend of mine had found it in the street, it's a cute Sharp Zaurus Something from 1994, with a built-in english<->japanese dictionary, and an IR interface not compatible with anything
[00:58] <LjL> jrib: the fun thing is that to get the dictionary to work, you have to draw the japanese characters in the right stroke order -- but not only that, you also have to draw *latin* latters in what it considers the "right" order
[00:59] <LjL> it never liked my E for one thing
[01:00] <jrib> that sounds... challenging
[01:00] <LjL> jrib: yes, quite. but it made for a lot of fun time while not listening to high school classes
[01:00] <LjL> jrib: also, i had my schoolmates learn a lot of impromptu created japanese insults and blasphemy.
[01:01] <jrib> ha, of course.  One of the best parts about learning a foreign language
[01:01] <LjL> jrib: but it was interesting really... to use the pda itself to try and understand what all the writings on the pda software even said
[01:02] <jrib> LjL: adi's in a root prompt running sudo and getting "adi is not in sudoers"?
[01:03] <LjL> jrib: err... i've missed something, i admit
[01:04] <LjL> i hate that "sorry just 1 sek"
[01:04] <LjL> are you in the darn recovery mode or not, and if so, how the hell are you on irc
[01:07] <LjL> jrib: ok, he's in a root shell because he's decided to go to one, and he's getting that message probably because he still has his broken sudoers, where (for some reason of his own) he changed "root" into "adi"
[01:16] <jrib> LjL: EDITOR=gedit sudo -E visudo     seems to work :)
[01:17] <LjL> jrib: how the hell did you figure that one out
[01:17] <jrib> LjL: helping another user doing something similar a while ago of course
[01:18] <LjL> jrib: i was convinced that just wasn't possible, because the "visudo" manpage says that respecting $EDITOR is a security hole, so it's only done if a compile-time option is used (which i assumed wasn't used)
[01:20] <jrib> LjL: man sudoers  says something about -E allowing commands with the SETENV tag.  Now I don't know how to determine if something has the SETENV tag, but visudo must be one
[01:21] <jrib> man sudo  I mean
[01:21] <LjL> yes, of course i'm viewing man sudo right now... i just could never have found that option or related it to visudo myself.
[01:22] <LjL> "man visudo" doesn't mention setenv anywhere, fwiw
[01:22] <jrib> maybe it's a bug
[01:23] <LjL> jrib: well, don't report it please, so at least i know how to make people edit sudoers without learning that (/"¤&#¤ vim
[01:23] <LjL> i know two things about vi
[01:23] <LjL> one is how to exit from it
[01:23] <LjL> the other is how not to start it
[01:23] <jrib> heh
[01:24] <jrib> I fell in love with vim after a couple of days to be honest
[01:24] <jrib> half the fun is watching people watch you edit in it
[01:25] <LjL> jrib: i don't know, i just don't think editing text files should be something that takes days to learn (if you're smart, otherwise months). maybe i'm missing a whole exciting world, but i feel nano does its job after all
[01:31] <LjL> i don't quite remember when i changed the floodbots so they would mute after 6 messages, but doesn't that look like a bit too much?
[01:31] <jrib> ah, "If the command matched is ALL, the SETENV tag is implied for that command"
[01:33] <LjL> which is to say, it discards all your environment variables when you use sudo by default?
[01:35] <jrib> Right.  And you can use -E to override that only on commands that have the SETENV tag.  But the above implies the default sudoers lets -E work with all commands a default ubuntu
[01:36] <jrib> s/a/on a/
[01:36] <jrib> --with-human-interpretation-mode
[01:37] <LjL> jrib: they should make manpages-simpleenglish, you know, like wikipedia has a simple english version.
[01:38] <LjL> or, even just manpages-english would do
[01:39] <jrib> well, someone needs to make writing documentation for endusers cool again
[01:39] <LjL> was it ever?
[01:39] <jrib> I'm waiting for the day the kernel documentation is a youtube video
[01:40] <LjL> jrib: hey, they should make a youtube video about installing flash, so i can finally... uuuh, nevermind.
[01:40] <jrib> ha
[01:40] <jrib> well you could boot windows, watch the video, then go to ubuntu and install
[01:41] <LjL> why are you assuming i have a windows partition
[01:41] <jrib> LjL: do you?
[01:41] <LjL> yes :P
[01:41] <jrib> LjL: windows mohave?
[01:43] <LjL> jrib: sorry, i missed that (even after opening the wp article)
[01:43] <jrib> Wouldn't you think the bright people at microsoft would make their ads accessible to users of operating systems other than windows: http://www.mojaveexperiment.com
[01:44] <jrib> LjL: just some microsoft commercial about vista where they claim they told users to test "windows mohave" and it was really windows vista
[01:45] <jrib> oh they have the html version, oops
[01:45] <jrib> that doesn't work.
[01:45] <LjL> jrib: yeah, was about to say that
[01:45] <LjL> yeah, was about to say that too
[01:47] <LjL> jrib: it loaded now for me... give it a couple of tries. as is often the case with ms software.
[01:47] <LjL> anyway, what a silly idea.
[01:47] <LjL> and anyway no, i have windows 2000
[01:49] <LjL> *bed*
[03:06] <Flannel> Anyone awake with -ot?
[03:06] <Flannel> Apparently z_ is ban evading (I haven't verified personally)
[03:06] <Flannel> Oh, and now I can.
[03:07] <Flannel> So, someone with ops in -ot, re-enforce that ban
[03:10] <Flannel> Myrtti?
[03:10] <Flannel> Mmm, that was six hours ago.  You're probably asleep.
[03:20] <snuxoll> someone mind getting rid of z_ in -ot?
[03:20] <snuxoll> he's ban evading
[03:22] <jrib> snuxoll: did you call !ops there?
[03:23] <Pici> Looks like he left to me. (z_ that is)
[03:23] <snuxoll> jrib: I'm not going to call ops
[03:23] <snuxoll> Pici: ahh, it does seem that he did
[03:23] <jrib> snuxoll: why?  that's the whole point of !ops
[03:23] <Flannel> jrib: !ops is for emergencies
[03:23] <jrib> !ops is when you need an op
[03:24] <snuxoll> jrib: no, ops is for emergencies
[03:24] <snuxoll> !ops
[03:24] <Pici> ...
[03:24] <Flannel> jrib: No, it's for emergencies.  You come here and discuss when its not an amergency
[03:24] <Hobbsee> oy!
[03:24] <jrib> ...
[03:24] <snuxoll> see, channel emergency
[03:24]  * Pici sighs
[03:24] <Flannel> snuxoll: Did z_ come back?>
[03:24]  * Hobbsee beats snuxoll with a rubber chicken
[03:24] <snuxoll> Flannel: he did, but he doesn't seem to be in there any more
[03:25] <snuxoll> Flannel: even though I don't see a /part or /quit in my scrollback ;(
[03:25] <Pici> 22:08:40 <?z_> snuxoll: "ban evading isn't suggested" - don't know what do you mean
[03:25] <Pici> 22:10:31 >>>> z_<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left #ubuntu-offtopic []
[03:26] <snuxoll> Pici: hrm, I don't have that in my log
[03:26] <snuxoll> Pici: strange
[03:27] <snuxoll> anyways, will /part here in a moment since he seems to have left
[03:27] <snuxoll> but it would probably be a good idea to keep an eye open
[03:31] <Pici> I revised the ban, I'm not sure if its too broad though.
[03:31] <Pici><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:32] <Flannel> could probably go down one more class and still be safe.  he only moved from 41 to 39
[03:32] <PriceChild> i wouldn't say that was too broad
[03:33] <Pici> I put comments in both bans regarding the revised masks.
[05:52] <Flannel> sigh
[05:56] <PriceChild> whats up?
[05:57] <Flannel> People refuse to believe that packages are packages, insist on troubleshooting the fact that they're "installed incorrectly" and now we get to listen to it for probably another 30 minutes or so in #u
[05:58] <Flannel> Installed 3rd party OOo packages, and now that they're installed in /opt/ and have no menu entries, something is *obviously* wrong
[05:58] <Flannel> just frustrating
[05:59] <Flannel> because as much as I'd love to ask them to take it elsewhere, that's not a decent thing to do.
[05:59] <Hobbsee> well, isn't it?  They're massively in the wrong, and they're disrupting the channel.
[05:59] <Hobbsee> if they won't listen to hwat they're being told, then why are they there?
[06:04] <Flannel> If it gets to be too troublesome, I'll bring it up again.  I won't feel right forcing them out, since Im already involved in it
[06:51] <PriceChild> and the day is over woohoo
[07:29] <Flannel> glowfish: How can we help you?
[07:29] <glowfish> i'd like some help getting my nick back
[07:30] <glowfish> i haven't used it in such a long time, i have no recollection of the password
[07:30] <Flannel> glowfish: I believe #freenode is the place to go for those sorts of things
[07:30] <glowfish> flannel: ok, thank you!
[07:44]  * jussi01 wakes up groggily
[09:06] <elkbuntu> we have a potential 4chan invasion in process in #u
[09:06] <elkbuntu> eatshrooms behaviour earlier, and snails behaviour more recently
[09:08] <elkbuntu> someone wanna volunteer to head one of them off in PM while I take the other?
[09:08] <elkbuntu> jussi01?
[09:33] <jussi01> sorry elkbuntu, was on the phone and then lunch.
[09:53] <ikonia> fdoving: do you need anything ?
[09:55] <elkbuntu> ikonia, i believe he's part of the furniture. cant say i've ever see him speak though :Þ
[09:55] <ikonia> I've never seen him before
[09:56] <ikonia> only the netsplit highlighted him so I thought he may have been waiting for something and people missed him
[10:26] <jussi01> yeah, fdoving is furniture :P
[10:27]  * ikonia eats off fdoving
[10:46] <elkbuntu> pleia2, around?
[11:02] <ikonia> @bansearch Controversial
[11:02] <ikonia> @bansearch Controversial #ubuntu
[11:07] <Hobbsee> oh, him?
[11:07] <Hobbsee> is he back?
[11:08] <Hobbsee> ikonia: was he flooding in #ubuntu too?
[11:08] <ikonia> no
[11:08] <ikonia> just an opening line of "hey shit bags"
[11:08] <ikonia> I've seen him before so muted him
[11:08] <Hobbsee> from his displays in -devel, id' say that's a wise idea.
[11:08] <ikonia> then got abuse in PM
[11:08] <Hobbsee> heh
[11:08] <ikonia> just updating BT
[11:14] <ikonia> Hobbsee: have you banned him before
[11:14] <Hobbsee> ikonia: yeah, i dealt with him in -devel a few days ago
[11:15] <ikonia>  mode/#ubuntu [+b Controversial!*@*] by ikonia
[11:15] <ikonia> that should get him on a nick basis
[11:15] <ikonia> right
[11:15] <ikonia> already have his ip covered, but he's dhcp
[11:15] <Hobbsee> that's true
[11:16] <ikonia> I get the impression he likes to be caught, so will use the same nick
[11:16] <Hobbsee> will see if he tries to visit devel again
[11:16] <ikonia> should I leave it at +b Controversial!*@* or +b Controversial%!*@*
[11:16] <nalioth> ikonia: what is the IP?
[11:16] <ikonia> CPE-124-185-11-216.qld.bigpond.net.au
[11:16] <Hobbsee> [21:07] [Whois] Controversial is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(pee)
[11:17] <ikonia> ah dhcp
[11:17] <jussi01> damn aussies :P
[11:18] <nalioth> ikonia: you may safely ban CPE-124-185-*.qld.bigpond.net.au if you need to
[11:18] <Myrtti> jussi01: you're fun
[11:18] <jussi01> hehe
[11:18] <ikonia> oh, ok, nalioth I was trying to avoid the ip range, but cool, thanks
[11:19] <ikonia> I think the nick will catch him as he seems to like to be baught
[11:19] <ikonia> caught
[11:19] <Hobbsee> @btlogin
[11:19] <jussi01> ikonia: whats his realname like? maybe a +d is in order?
[11:19] <ikonia> pee
[11:19] <Hobbsee> ppp-70-247-119-16.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net  was his last address.
[11:19] <ikonia> not used +d before, let me have a quick goose at it
[11:20] <jussi01> !modes
[11:20] <nalioth> ikonia: i ran a check.  he's the only one on that node on the whole network ( i don't think you'll block any legitimate users, iow )
[11:20] <Hobbsee> i don't think your wide bans will really catch him
[11:20] <Hobbsee> he's a known mibbit user too
[11:20] <ikonia> nalioth ahh handy, thank you
[11:20] <nalioth> oh, a proxy troll.
[11:21] <Hobbsee> (not that he ever connected with the previous address, but that was the address listed as the real address, from mibbit.
[12:13] <ikonia> who's got ops in -offtopic please.
[12:15] <ikonia> jussi01: you there
[12:15] <ikonia> jpds:
[12:15] <jussi01> I dont
[12:16] <ikonia> ahh just doing an access list now
[12:16] <ikonia> Hobbsee: nalioth yu there
[12:16] <ikonia> (they where awake earlier
[12:17] <ikonia> ok getting out of hand now
[12:18] <ikonia> PriceChild: Hobbsee Mez nalioth nude please
[12:18]  * Hobbsee looks
[12:18] <Hobbsee> do what now?
[12:18] <ikonia> please remove neil
[12:18] <ikonia> troll
[12:18] <Hobbsee> ah
[12:18] <ikonia> thanks
[12:19] <ikonia> be prepared for pm abuse
[12:19] <Hobbsee> weird bloke, too.
[12:20] <Hobbsee> ikonia: are you aware he seems to be in ubuntu too?
[12:20] <Myrtti> whut
[12:21] <Myrtti> ikonia: you can always poke me
[12:21] <Myrtti> I'm always awake, remember
[12:21] <Myrtti> well almost always
[12:21]  * Hobbsee zaps him there too
[12:23] <Hobbsee> hmmm.   does putting in a ban also stop htem being heard from +o people, if +z is set?
[12:24] <Hobbsee> @btlogin
[12:25] <ikonia> Myrtti: sorry - missed you
[12:25] <Hobbsee> ah, and now the gem's in PM.
[12:25] <ikonia> I got them earlier
[12:25] <ikonia> enjoy :)
[12:26] <ikonia> Myrtti didn't see you in the access list, my mistake/sorrry
[12:26] <ikonia> wasn't missing you on purpose
[12:26] <Hobbsee> ikonia: ?
[12:26] <ikonia> Hobbsee: I didn't want him in there following any conversation
[12:27] <Hobbsee> ikonia: ah, right.
[12:27] <ikonia> he picks up on it once the mutes lifted
[12:27] <Hobbsee> ikonia: who says i was going to lift the mute?  :)
[12:27] <ikonia> true
[12:27] <Hobbsee> i didn't in -offtopic
[12:27] <ikonia> no no, sorry, wasn't stepping on toes
[12:27] <Hobbsee> no problem, was just curious
[12:27] <ikonia> he's been a pain for the last few hours, and I stepped aawy tog et a bite to eat and he started up again
[12:27] <Hobbsee> ahhhh
[12:28] <Hobbsee> (I hadn't seen the context, so regarded the +q as relatively safe)
[12:28] <ikonia> he looked like a lost new user at one point
[12:28] <Hobbsee> oh, here we go.
[12:28] <ikonia> then started /whoi'sing me
[12:28] <Hobbsee> now he's just acting as an abusive user.
[12:28] <ikonia> so not quite "that new"
[12:29] <Hobbsee> is knoppix drunk, or?
[12:29] <ikonia> I think it's alanguage thing
[12:29] <ikonia> he seems to just want to talk
[12:33]  * Hobbsee tries telling the guy that he needs to grow up before he can reenter.
[12:33] <ikonia> ooh he's pming me too
[12:33] <Hobbsee> i'm not even sure why he's  here - school has gone back by now.
[12:34] <ikonia> "how do I get unabnned"
[12:34] <ikonia> I've given him the coc and guideline links, but it won't matter in my view
[12:34] <Hobbsee> ah yes, i got that a copule of times
[12:34] <Hobbsee> hah!  apparently the guy is 80
[12:34] <ikonia> 12:34 <neil> let me back in man
[12:35] <Myrtti> knoppix is going for a ride soon, if he continues
[12:35] <ikonia> Myrtti: he was ok before, I think he has some language barriers that don't come across well
[12:35] <Hobbsee> yeha, i've been watching him.
[12:37] <ikonia> he's changed his tone a lot
[12:37] <ikonia> and seems to be speaking english quite well now
[12:46] <Myrtti> oh dear god, now knoppix is on my pm
[12:46] <Myrtti> this has to be fun
[12:57] <Hobbsee> i'd like to s/always/often/ in !o4o, btw.  Any objections?
[12:59] <Tm_T> !o4o
[12:59] <stdin> "often" is probably a good change
[12:59] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: +1
[12:59] <ikonia> ah, I didn't relise the channel name was a varible and got picked up from current channel
[13:00] <neil> wat
[13:00] <Hobbsee> ikonia: hmmm.  That's a point.  How do I do an edit and keep that?
[13:00] <Hobbsee> neil: yes?
[13:00] <stdin> ikonia: try it in /msg, it's fun :p
[13:00] <ikonia> stdin: cool
[13:00] <neil> i need help
[13:00] <jussi01> Hobbsee: $channel iirc
[13:00] <stdin> $chan actually
[13:00] <neil> i need to be unbanned
[13:00] <jussi01> well almost
[13:00] <neil> please
[13:01] <ikonia> neil: it's not going to happen
[13:01] <stdin> Hobbsee: or just use !o4o ~= /always/often/
[13:01] <Hobbsee> !o4o ~= /always/often/
[13:01] <ikonia> neil: please stop asking everyone.
[13:01] <Hobbsee> neil: the answer is no.
[13:01] <neil> why
[13:01] <Hobbsee> because.
[13:01] <neil> i want be dumb again
[13:01]  * Hobbsee has a feeling of deja vu here...
[13:01] <neil> wat am i meant to say to convince
[13:01] <neil> u
[13:02] <ikonia> neil: too many chances have passed, you've been banned too many times today
[13:02] <ikonia> walk way for a while as I suggested to you
[13:02] <ikonia> walk away
[13:02] <neil> i been banned once
[13:02] <ikonia> no you've not
[13:02] <neil> well i didnt know that
[13:02] <Hobbsee> twice, actually.
[13:02] <ikonia> Hobbsee: 3 2 in ubuntu, in offtopic
[13:03] <ikonia> neil: you did, as you where rude to me in a prive message when I explained it to you
[13:03] <Hobbsee> ikonia: oh, even better.
[13:03] <ikonia> don't lie
[13:03] <neil> ok sorry
[13:03] <Tm_T> when you lie, myrtti makes a mitten
[13:03] <Tm_T> I mean, errr
[13:03]  * Tm_T hides
[13:03] <ikonia> this is going to go nowhere after having the same conversation in PM from about 30 minutes, so lets not waste any more time
[13:03] <Hobbsee> ikonia: ++
[13:04] <ikonia> Tm_T: making mittens should be encouraged
[13:04] <Tm_T> ikonia: true, but it was so fitting
[13:04] <Tm_T> neil: just take a break, learn your mistakes and come back later, way later
[13:05] <christel> i tend to find its a good thing when the mittens fit
[13:05] <neil> but il be banned still
[13:05] <Hobbsee> !u | neil
[13:05] <ikonia> christel I tried to hold back from that gag
[13:05] <christel> ikonia: :P
[13:06] <neil> man im always on msn sorry
[13:06] <Tm_T> no excuses
[13:06] <neil> ok
[13:07] <neil> if you unban me then i will leave for a long time and if u see me again you can bann me for life
[13:07] <neil> you* sorry
[13:08] <ikonia> don't need to unban you for you to leave
[13:08]  * Hobbsee wonders what the point of that would be...
[13:08] <ikonia> you can leaev now while your banned
[13:08] <Tm_T> neil: no, you wont negotiate this
[13:08] <christel> neil: from backlog in #ubuntu, it strikes me that you appear to be after somewhere to "chat" -- have you considered an irc network that actually, well, caters to "chatters" as opposed to one which brings together FOSS developers and users?
[13:08] <neil> no im new
[13:10] <Tm_T> neil: now shush, go son, I'm too old and tired for this all
[13:10] <christel> well, my suggestion would be to peruse the list over at http://netsplit.de and find a less topical network
[13:10] <Hobbsee> still, telling people "fuck you" when they don't do what you want probably isn't appropriate on those networks either...
[13:11] <neil> well i dont want to be on those because i need help with my ubuntu
[13:12] <Myrtti> Hobbsee: are you still having ops at -ot for some purpose?
[13:12] <christel> i'd have to agree with Hobbsee there
[13:12] <neil> and i would like to get back on ubuntu channels
[13:12] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: er, not apart from being unsure if this knoppix guy is going to get the boot soon.
[13:12] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: (in truth, i'd forgotten.  Thanks :) )
[13:13] <ikonia> Hobbsee: don't ruin the mystique
[13:13] <christel> neil: ok, i fail to see why you would join #ubuntu and ask if it was a "chatting channel" if you were actually looking for help, more so, i fail to see how the foggiest you at any point thought the best approach to get help from other ubuntu users and ubuntus volunteers was by telling them to "fuck off"
[13:13] <Myrtti> Hobbsee: I'll smack him if need be
[13:13] <Hobbsee> christel: ++
[13:14] <ikonia> as I said earlier, having had this converation in pm for the last 30 minutes, it will go no-where
[13:14] <neil> just let me back in please
[13:15] <ikonia> neil: waslk away - it's not going to happen today
[13:15] <ikonia> walk away
[13:15] <Hobbsee> neil: oh, for context purposes, christel is the head of the network.
[13:15] <Hobbsee> so...
[13:15] <neil> wat is context
[13:15] <Myrtti> for your information
[13:16] <Myrtti> so you know who you are talking with
[13:16] <Hobbsee> christel: you couldn't do us a favour, could you?  :)
[13:16] <Hobbsee> christel: something about tickets and trains?
[13:16] <neil> ur funny
[13:16] <Hobbsee> this is clearly going nowhere.
[13:16] <Myrtti> Hobbsee: shhhh. :-D
[13:16] <Myrtti> neil: so, do you have any other questions?
[13:16] <neil> yes
[13:16] <Myrtti> or requests?
[13:16] <neil> let me on
[13:16] <Myrtti> I think we've addressed most of them
[13:16] <Myrtti> sorry, no
[13:17] <Myrtti> anything else?
[13:17] <neil> yes
[13:17] <neil> let me on
[13:17] <Myrtti> see! didn't need k-train
[13:17] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: he will come back, though.
[13:17] <Myrtti> sure, then I'll ban
[13:17] <Myrtti> just for a few hours though
[13:18] <christel> lets hope he hasnt worked out how to run proxies
[13:18] <christel> ive given him a weeks holiday, with some luck he'll find the time to familiarise himself with our policies and your code of conduct
[13:19] <Hobbsee> sweet, thanks christel
[13:22] <christel> np :)
[13:22] <ikonia> how many nicks does ljl need !
[13:23] <Hobbsee> ikonia: 42.
[13:23] <elkbuntu> duh
[13:23] <Myrtti> oo
[13:23] <Myrtti> http://irc-galleria.net/view.php?nick=hydRane&image_id=62622975
[14:04] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[14:05] <Tm_T> indeedio
[15:21] <ikonia> jpds: that guys amanu is back again after all the time spent with him yesterday trying to fix his broken wubi to partition install
[15:53] <jussi01> anyone around on intrepid?
[15:54] <Myrtti> sorry
[15:54] <Myrtti> just shutdown my laptop
[15:54] <ikonia> jussi01: I can be
[15:54] <jussi01> ikonia: just need a quick test if something is borked...
[15:54] <ikonia> go on
[15:55] <jussi01> ikonia: open this page in firefox - you need flash - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tv_and_radio/sports_personality_of_the_year/7668185.stm
[15:55] <jussi01> does it work or does it offer to download the flash plugin...
[15:55] <ikonia> loading
[15:55] <ikonia> I suspect it works
[15:55] <ikonia> I use bbc flash pages all the time
[15:55] <ikonia> yeah, works
[15:56] <jussi01> damn, means my pc is borked...
[15:56] <jussi01> wonder what i did...
[15:56] <jussi01> *scratches head*
[15:56] <Myrtti> ooh
[15:56] <ikonia> jussi01: I can try it on another install too if you want
[15:56] <Myrtti> it works even with swfdec
[16:01] <jussi01> weird, other flash works... (you tube)
[16:01] <ikonia> odd odd odd
[16:02] <jussi01> ikonia: which browser you use?
[16:02] <ikonia> firefox
[16:02] <jussi01> same...
[16:31] <Pici> poor ubottu
[16:35] <ikonia> buillied
[16:35] <ikonia> bullied
[16:41] <Pici> I'm on mibbit currently, so no quick access to my irssi aliases :(
[16:42] <ikonia> boot Pici quick, he's a mibbet troll
[16:43] <Pici> I'm a training class, and they seem to block ssh out.
[16:44] <ikonia> ooh
[16:44] <ikonia> interesting course ?#
[16:47] <Pici> ikonia: Its on Interface Administration, mostly regarding HL7
[16:48] <ikonia> HL7 ?
[16:50] <Pici> ikonia: Its a standard for communicating healthcare information.  Here are some example messages: http://www.dt7.com/cdc/sampmsgs.html
[16:50] <ikonia> you have shown me that before, sorry
[16:51] <Pici> I don't mind.
[17:15]  * Pici might disappear at times
[17:15] <Myrtti> *pinch*
[17:16] <Pici> The instructor randomly takes control of our computers to show things.
[17:24] <Myrtti> BORING
[17:40] <LjL> [18:39:57] *** FloodBot2 sets mode: +e<EMAIL_ADDRESS><- don't like this nickname...
[18:40] <jussi01> !+1 is foo
[18:40] <jussi01> !no, +1 is <alias>intrepid
[18:40] <jussi01> !+1 is <alias>intrepid
[18:40] <LjL> argh jussi don't do that
[18:40] <jussi01> LjL: why not?
[18:41] <jussi01> !forget +1
[18:41] <Myrtti> !-intrepid
[18:41] <LjL> jussi01: non-alphanumeric characters at the start of factoids is not something it ever liked
[18:41] <jussi01> oh me
[18:41] <LjL> !1
[18:41] <jussi01> oh... evil thing
[18:41] <jussi01> whoops
[18:42] <Pici> !#####intrepid
[18:42] <jussi01> !forget 1
[19:17] <LjL> jussi01: you could do it anyway and then just use !+1 in practice, but i think it can also break aliases and some nasty stuff
[19:24] <nalioth> how about "plus1" ?
[19:26] <Myrtti> !next
[19:26] <Myrtti> ^
[20:02] <Myrtti> ARG ARGH ARGGGGHHHHH
[20:02] <Myrtti> Tm_T: ping?
[20:05] <Pici> rawr
[20:07] <LjL> Pici: WOOF
[20:09] <jussi01> *meep*
[20:48] <ompaul> care to remove my ops as per mail(S)?
[20:51] <LjL> pfff
[20:52] <darklust> -.-
[20:52] <Tm_T> Myrtti: yes, little one?
[20:52] <Myrtti> darklust: hello
[20:52] <Tm_T> darklust: how may we help you?
[20:52] <Myrtti> darklust: welcome to the humour corner
[20:52] <LjL> Tm_T: was redirected here
[20:53] <darklust> You may help me.
[20:53] <Tm_T> LjL: I know, still asking (:)
[20:53] <Myrtti> darklust: care to explain the roadshow you you just pulled at #ubuntu=
[20:53] <darklust> It was just a line of bash code >.>
[20:53] <Myrtti> just a line of bash code, AAWWWWWW how cute
[20:54] <LjL> well, now you've seen a little line of IRC protocol too
[20:54] <Tm_T> Myrtti: privaas mitä oli (;)
[20:54] <darklust> Like whathisname said, most people wouldn't run it as root anyways.
[20:54] <darklust> I couldn't have nailed that many people.
[20:54] <Tm_T> darklust: bad is bad, no matter how shiny wrapper it has
[20:55] <LjL> i don't see anybody saying that, anyway it would still remove /home wouldn't it
[20:55] <darklust> Tm_T: Interesting anology.
[20:55] <darklust> No, the root directory (/)
[20:55] <Tm_T> darklust: and true
[20:56] <LjL> and recursively the stuff that's in it. anyway.
[20:56] <Myrtti> darklust: which part of rm -rf leaves /home intact?
[20:56] <darklust> Which part of my code told you only the /home directory would be removed?
[20:57] <LjL> which part of what we said told you that we thought only the /home directory would be removed?
[20:57] <LjL> anyway, this game is not very much fun
 i don't see anybody saying that, anyway it would still remove /home wouldn't it
[20:57] <LjL> darklust: is there the word "only" in that sentence?
[20:57] <darklust> In response to it being run by a normal user, no.
[20:57]  * ompaul sits back will talk when your finished
[20:58]  * Myrtti huggles ompaul and gives a ginger snap
[20:58] <LjL> ompaul: oh, i'm not talking to chanserv today anyway
[20:58] <darklust> And what's this crap about nelson mandela on my desktop, if you guys don't believe in giving people second chances?
[20:58] <darklust> Isn't ubuntu a lifestyle?
[20:58] <ompaul> LjL, hmmm k
[20:58] <darklust> Or have I misunderstood.
[20:58] <LjL> darklust, enough crap already
[20:59] <LjL> we give second chances to people who deserve them
[20:59] <LjL> you're acting like a troll even right now
[20:59] <Tm_T> darklust: problem is, you don't use it as an excuse
[20:59] <LjL> so, no second chance for you today
[20:59] <darklust> Indeed.
[20:59] <darklust> Well there's not much I can do here now is there?
[21:00] <LjL> he got at least this part.
[21:00] <Tm_T> how droll
[21:00] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu-ops darklust
[21:01] <ompaul> well, I was serious, that has been coming a while, I feel no point in being an op, the idea that I was incoherent was strange for me
[21:01] <ompaul> as far as I know the removes / mutes made had justification, however I was really annoyed by the continual "why" or "that was a tad harsh" type comments
[21:02] <LjL> ompaul, i suggest that you stop wit this bold "i'm leaving forever", "remove my ops" and crap, and just stay away from irc for a while, and see if in a while you feel like coming back
[21:02] <Tm_T> (:)
[21:03] <Myrtti> LjL+1
[21:03] <ompaul> ok
[21:03] <Myrtti> after you left the channel I said that I take it as a personal insult if someone takes your ops away
[21:03] <Tm_T> ompaul: honestly, I would like to you to be around here, but not against your own will, so take a break and come hug us with fresh feels (:)
[21:03] <Myrtti> well, not with those words
[21:03] <ompaul> I asked
[21:03] <Myrtti> but anyway
[21:03] <Tm_T> ompaul: even if you asked
[21:03] <LjL> ompaul: and yes, i also personally believe some of your mutes and bans were a tad harsh. i suspect you, perhaps inconsciously, used them to make a point to other ops - i've done that too. think about it, but don't think about it right now, or you'll just convince yourself "it's all being done wrong"
[21:04] <ompaul> LjL, you know my opinion on that atm
[21:04] <LjL> ompaul: "atm" is the key.
[21:04] <ompaul> I don't think it will change see your comment
[21:04] <ompaul> I have always thought that Bob Geldof said it best when he said
[21:04] <ompaul> in a TV interview
[21:04] <Myrtti> ompaul: just take a lil break, that's all
[21:05] <Myrtti> we don't want to miss you forever!
[21:05] <ompaul> I am right and I reserve the right as a human being to change my mind
[21:05] <LjL> ompaul: that's perfectly reasonable
[21:05] <ompaul> enjoy yerselvs
[21:05]  * Myrtti huggles ompaul
[21:06] <ompaul> this time no grand gesture, just a
[21:06] <ompaul> cheers
[21:06]  * Tm_T huggles ompaul tightly
[21:06] <Tm_T> bah
[21:06] <Tm_T> too late for this life
[21:13]  * Myrtti loves you all
[21:14]  * Tm_T huggles Myrtti with love and tender
[21:20] <MTecknology> I found a spelling error on http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/mirror
[21:20] <MTecknology> Where can I mention that?
[21:20] <Myrtti> launchpad
[21:20] <Pici> MTecknology: log a bug to the ubuntu-website project on launchpad.
[21:20] <MTecknology> oh - coulda stayed in -offtopic - hu?
[21:22] <LjL> when people shouldn't be in this channel, they are, when they should be, they think they shouldn't
[21:24] <Tm_T> LjL: Roger Moore?
[21:24]  * Tm_T hides
[21:25] <LjL> i never get any people references, anyway
[21:29]  * Myrtti feels jittery
[21:41] <LjL> !staff | CGI324 in #ubuntu, previously ToBePriest in #freenode
[22:04] <jussi01> what is it with people today...
[22:07] <Myrtti> hello GM-Cosmo_PW
[22:07] <Myrtti> gimme a sec
[22:07]  * GM-Cosmo_PW gives Myrtti a 10mbit network card
[22:07] <Myrtti> yup yup
[22:07] <Myrtti> GM-Cosmo_PW: mind turning that off?
[22:07] <LjL> Myrtti, the fellow is a bot
[22:07] <GM-Cosmo_PW> sorry not sure why it is doing that
[22:07] <LjL> ah wait, you know already
[22:08] <LjL> or you wouldn't have said "gimme"
[22:08]  * GM-Cosmo_PW gives LjL a spoon
[22:08] <GM-Cosmo_PW> didnt realize it was doing that
[22:08] <Myrtti> no, we don't
[22:08] <LjL> GM-Cosmo_PW: well, if you don't manage to turn it off, you'll probably get a network-wide ban, so you better find out how to turn it off
[22:08] <Myrtti> LjL: yup
[22:08] <GM-Cosmo_PW> trying to turn it off now
[22:08] <LjL> gimme a kick, gimme a ban
[22:09] <LjL> gimme a sec
[22:09] <GM-Cosmo_PW> really sorry about that
[22:09] <LjL> GM-Cosmo_PW: i think you should be able to rejoin #ubuntu and speak now
[22:12] <GM-Cosmo_PW> sorry about that usually only look at the ubuntu channel if I'm having problems so didn t even notice it was doing that
[22:17] <LjL> GM-Cosmo_PW, you weren't doing that only in #ubuntu...
[22:17] <LjL> epifanio, ubottu is a bot
[22:17] <LjL> !bot
[22:18] <epifanio> ohh .. is not possible to remove gnome and install a minimal xfce ?
[22:18] <LjL> epifanio, ask in #ubuntu, this is not the right channel
[22:18] <epifanio> the installation process is really long time consuming
[22:18] <epifanio> hooops  sorry !
[22:32] <ikonia> evening
[22:34] <Myrtti> the answer would have been !purexfce
[22:34] <Myrtti> !purexfce
[22:34] <LjL> too late for that
[22:46] <Myrtti> LjL: as I said, would have been
[22:55] <Myrtti> luvly
[22:55] <Myrtti> PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND                     6431 myrtti    20   0  228m  46m  17m S  153  1.2  55:34.25 skype
[22:58] <nalioth> wow
[22:58] <LjL> killall -9 skype; find / -iname '*skype*' -delete
[23:02] <LjL> wait a moment, not only you're helping emma, but you're helping her with *debian*?
[23:03] <Pici> Eh?
[23:03] <ikonia> I thought she wanted ubuntu ?
[23:03] <Pici> I thought it was an Ubuntu question
[23:03] <Pici> .
[23:03] <ikonia> yes, me too
[23:03] <LjL> ah, maybe maybe. she mentioned wanting or not wanting Lenny
[23:03] <ikonia> no problem helping her with any ubuntu issues
[23:03] <ikonia> just wont engage with social interaction
[23:03] <LjL> good luck with avoiding that :P
[23:04] <ikonia> Hmmm maybe a quick ps3 factoid required, explaining its a PPC and the link to linux/ubuntu on ps3
[23:22] <LjL> *** You have kicked yourself from the channel (You know why!).
[23:22] <LjL> that was wonderful.
[23:23] <ikonia> ?
[23:23] <LjL> ikonia: -ot
[23:24] <ikonia> genius
[23:29] <LjL> (#ubuntu) [00:29:31] --> BigBear has joined this channel (n=John_Nel@c-98-216-40-179.hsd1.ma.comcast.net).
[23:30] <Pici> That mask sounds familiar.
[23:30] <LjL> uh oh, joined -offtopic too
[23:30] <LjL> Pici: quite familiar yes
[23:30] <ikonia> I'm interested in administrator becoming techsupport he's known
[23:31] <LjL> say again?
[23:31] <Pici> What?
[23:31] <ikonia> the user "administrator" who just became the user "techsupport" in #ubuntu
[23:31] <LjL> oh
[23:31] <Pici> Oh
[23:32] <LjL> hmpf, john_nel already started trolling -offtopic
[23:33] <LjL> ikonia: well it's hard to say from the hostname
[23:34] <ikonia> the nick administraot becoming techsupport is familier
[23:35] <LjL> well, not to the bantracker... there's one "administrator" ban in #kubuntu but that's all
[23:35] <Pici> Feisty support ends soon... we should clean up some of those factoids in a few days
[23:37] <LjL> i'll fire up my random nickname generator to decide who does it
[23:37] <LjL> ⚄
[23:37] <LjL> ⚃
[23:37] <LjL> ⚂
[23:37] <Pici> !roll
[23:38] <LjL> Pici
[23:38] <LjL> !aubade
[23:38] <ikonia> !dice
[23:38] <LjL> !aubade-#ubuntu-offtopic
[23:38] <Pici> LjL
[23:38] <LjL> ikonia: my (connected) logs have him joining as "techsupport" since start of September
[23:39] <ikonia> LjL: Hmmm, maybe someone else then
[23:39] <LjL> ikonia: he changed from Administrator_ to techsupport yesterday, as well as today
[23:39] <ikonia> he's behaving fine, no problem, just rings a bell
[23:39] <Pici> The user administrator is a common windows username, I don't put much faith in seeing that in an ident as a unique identifier.
[23:39] <LjL> yeah
[23:40] <LjL> a common windows username that shouldn't be used, but anyway
[23:42] <PriceChild> Has snuxoll always been an -ot regular?
[23:42] <LjL> for quite some time PriceChild
[23:42] <Pici> Indeed.
[23:43] <LjL> although a moderately troublesome one for some time too
[23:43] <Pici> A few months at least.
[23:43] <LjL> more, more
[23:43] <Pici> 'at least'
[23:44] <LjL> [Tue Sep 25 2007] [16:27:16] Join       Snuxoll has joined this channel (n=stefan@71-34-222-236.spkn.qwest.net).
[23:44] <LjL> [Tue Sep 25 2007] [16:27:37] <Snuxoll>  Hey all (I'm FIRESIDE91....now you no longer need to shout my name :p)
[23:44] <LjL> [Tue Sep 25 2007] [16:28:11] <Pici>     SNUXOLL
[23:45] <Pici> really?
[23:45] <LjL> so it seems
[23:46] <Myrtti> since ages
[23:47] <LjL> [00:46:45] *** BigBear is now known as Fartfurnace.
[23:47] <LjL> alright, can i ask him to change nicks? can i?
[23:47] <Myrtti> are you having problems with snuxoll? he's nowadays probably one of the most levelheaded ones
[23:47] <LjL> [ as for snuxoll, he wasn't fireside for very long, according to my logs. although i thought he was SNuxoll for a while)
[23:47] <Myrtti> for a loooooong time
[23:47] <LjL> Myrtti, so so. he's ok nowadays but i still have bad memories.
[23:47] <Pici> I didn't realize he was there for that long.
[23:48] <Myrtti> I've taught him well
[23:48] <LjL> and i wouldn't say "one of the most levelheaded ones"
[23:48] <LjL> he's one of the regulars
[23:48] <LjL> you can't be a regular if you aren't levelheaded *at all*
[23:48] <Myrtti> LjL: well in comparison to many
[23:48] <LjL> Pici well it's a year, not a decade
[23:48] <Hobbsee> LjL: actually, i don't know about that.  He's had some pretty interesting ideas, sometimes.
[23:48] <Pici> LjL: ...
[23:49] <Pici> Hobbsee: Interesting good, or interesting bad?
[23:49] <Hobbsee> Pici: interesting good, mostly.
[23:49] <Hobbsee> Pici: i was slightly disappointed to see that some of them didn't get implemented.
[23:49] <Hobbsee> he also did pretty well against the unmentionable one.
[23:49]  * nalioth also has bad memories of snuxoll
[23:50] <Hobbsee> whether he's been bad in the past though, i'm not one to comment
[23:50] <Pici> I remember some good things, some bad things.
[23:51] <LjL> [Thu Nov 15 2007] [23:50:21] <Tm_T>     even snuxoll were abusing the bot
[23:51] <LjL> [Thu Nov 15 2007] [23:50:59] <Seveas>   OldPink, snuxoll is on our radar as well
[23:51] <LjL> [Tue Nov 20 2007] [04:14:09] <mneptok>  22:06 < Snuxoll> mneptok: Bug off, people can do what they damn well please
[23:51] <LjL> [Tue Nov 20 2007] [04:14:09] <mneptok>  22:06 < Snuxoll> mneptok: You don't have to be an ass either
[23:51] <LjL> (then he was banned)
[23:52] <Pici> That was #ubuntu iirc.
[23:52] <LjL> dunno
[23:52] <LjL> that is from -ops
[23:52] <Pici> I know, but I think was regarding a situation in #u
[23:53] <Pici> PriceChild was this question regarding anything, or just to satisfy your curiousity?
[23:53] <ikonia> Fartfurnace in ubuntu....is that acceptable ?
[23:53] <ikonia> I saw ljl ask but didnt see the answer
[23:54] <LjL> ikonia: i suppose i could pretend i didn't see that, but considering *which* user that one is.
[23:54] <ikonia> is that snuxoll (I wasn't paying attention, sorry)
[23:54] <LjL> he's already asked about filesystems allocating inodes dynamically before, by the way. don't remember if that was an attempt at trolling though
[23:54] <LjL> ikonia, no, he's a fellow who was banned seeeeveral times (but not from #Ubuntu - yet)
[23:54] <LjL> ikonia: search for john_nel in the bt
[23:55] <LjL> always changes nicknames
[23:55] <ikonia> ok, I'll ask him to change it then
[23:55] <Pici> good luck
[23:55] <PriceChild> Pici: unrelated curiosity
[23:56] <ikonia> that was easy
[23:56] <LjL> pity, i'd rather have banned him
[23:59] <LjL> anyway mind, snuxoll is ok right now, i didn't mean to say he should still be "on the radar"


[01:45] <gerbilcabbagehai> I have my Desktop box server running. 12.04. How do I log into it via sftp from my client laptop? I'm already in via ssh, but I don't know how to use ftp
[01:45] <sarnold> ftp != sftp
[01:45] <gerbilcabbagehai> i know
[01:46] <sarnold> which one are you interested in using? :)
[01:46] <gerbilcabbagehai> sftp
[01:46] <gerbilcabbagehai> on my client box i am using filezilla
[01:46] <sarnold> does filezilla support sftp? I've never seen it before..
[01:46] <gerbilcabbagehai> apparently
[01:47] <sarnold> if it takes URLs, try something like sftp://hostname/pathname
[01:47] <gerbilcabbagehai> http://filezilla-project.org/client_features.php
[01:47] <gerbilcabbagehai> ok thanks ill try that
[01:49] <sarnold> ah, those screenshots don't look very amenable to URL syntax
[01:49] <gerbilcabbagehai> it worked
[01:49] <sarnold> oh! pleasant surprise. :)
[01:49] <gerbilcabbagehai> filled in host, selected sftp, supplied username and password for ssh
[01:49] <gerbilcabbagehai> thanks for your help :)
[01:50] <sarnold> you're welcome :)
[01:54] <gerbilcabbagehai> if I want to write/overwrite when I am logged in via sftp (filezilla), the permissions are denied. What do I change on the server to continue modifying my files from afar, but keeping them safe from not-logged in users?
[01:55] <sarnold> gerbilcabbagehai: what are the permissions on the file and the file's containing directory?
[01:56] <gerbilcabbagehai> you want cli format or filezilla gui format?
[01:56] <sarnold> I can read ls -l output far better :) but that's just me...
[01:56] <gerbilcabbagehai> im new to cli so i want to learn how to do that. do I cd to the directory?
[01:56] <sarnold> yes
[01:57] <sarnold> it isn't strictly necessary -- but it is easier to get the listing, and to read it, if you do.
[01:57] <gerbilcabbagehai> -rw-r--r--  1 root root  177 Sep 20 18:38 index.html
[01:57] <gerbilcabbagehai> drwxr-xr-x  3 root root 4096 Sep 20 23:59 movies
[01:57] <gerbilcabbagehai> drwxr-xr-x 58 root root 4096 Sep 21 08:48 usb
[01:58] <sarnold> do you want your user account to be able to re-write this file at will?
[01:58] <gerbilcabbagehai> yes for my account, no for others.
[01:59] <gerbilcabbagehai> there's only one account with a strong password, however others will have access TO it, but i dont want them to change anything inadvertantly
[01:59] <gerbilcabbagehai> TO it = the data.
[02:00] <sarnold> gerbilcabbagehai: you will need to grant directory write access to your user account as well as file write access to that file for your user account
[02:01] <sarnold> (both are required since different programs may use different mechanisms to modify the file -- some will edit that existing file, and others will put a _new_ file in place with that filename. It's a touch complicated that way...)
[02:01] <sarnold> gerbilcabbagehai: is this user in a group all to itself?
[02:02] <gerbilcabbagehai> Lets say my name is bob. bob is my login and username. bob is the only username on the server. I'll be the only one who changes things or overwrites things.
[02:02] <gerbilcabbagehai> im not quite sure what i want to ask
[02:02] <gerbilcabbagehai> for now, i only want bob to be able to modify anything
[02:02] <sarnold> then that's pretty easy: chown bob:bob . index.html ; chmod 755 . ; chmod 644 index.html
[02:03] <gerbilcabbagehai> what does chmod 755 mean?
[02:03] <sarnold> that changes the directory's permissions to be owned by user bob, group bob, then sets the directory permissions to allow bob complete control, everyone else gets read and traverse permissions (necessary for a web server running as a different user, probably www-data)
[02:04] <sarnold> then it changes the file index.html to be owned by user bob, group bob, and allows bob to read and write the file, and everyone else can read the file (also necessary for the web server to be able to serve it up to clients)
[02:04] <gerbilcabbagehai> so what does having root as owner do to the file index.html?
[02:04] <gerbilcabbagehai> why should bob own it?
[02:05] <gerbilcabbagehai> e.g. sarah / guest can see and read bob's index, but only bob can modify?
[02:06] <sarnold> if root owns the file, then bob has use 'sudo' to modify the file, which gets annoying
[02:06] <gerbilcabbagehai> true :)
[02:06] <sarnold> if bob owns the file, then bob can update the file without having to use 'sudo'
[02:07] <gerbilcabbagehai> hence if i own that file, i login via filezilla and permissions will be allowed because I own that file, and filezilla cannot pass sudo (i think)
[02:07] <sarnold> sarah will get the "other" permissions -- the last digit in the permissions: 755 and 644
[02:07] <sarnold> right, filezilla won't be able to do sudo, especially because the sftp protocol doesn't make a provision for that :)
[02:07] <gerbilcabbagehai> gotcha. thanks for the explaination
[02:08] <gerbilcabbagehai> now to try it lol
[02:08] <sarnold> hehe
[02:08] <gerbilcabbagehai> new meaning to the term, "man up"
[02:09] <gerbilcabbagehai> you know...many things i think are deliberate in linux
[02:09] <sarnold> one hopes :)
[02:09] <gerbilcabbagehai> is there a $kill bill?
[02:10] <sarnold> back in the day, the 'make' command would print "make love, not war" if you typed "make love"...
[02:10] <gerbilcabbagehai> AHAHAHA
[02:11] <gerbilcabbagehai> how do i enable logging on the server?
[02:11] <sarnold> gerbilcabbagehai: an old old joke stuffed in the tunefs manpage back in the eighties: http://unixhistory.livejournal.com/1808.html
[02:12] <sarnold> gerbilcabbagehai: what operations do you want logged?
[02:12] <gerbilcabbagehai> everything?
[02:12] <sarnold> you don't want that :) that's way too much data...
[02:12] <gerbilcabbagehai> um...let me rephrase that
[02:13] <gerbilcabbagehai> any user who logs in and does something
[02:13] <gerbilcabbagehai> from where and as much detail as possible about them
[02:14] <gerbilcabbagehai> all interactions that my username and any other initiates
[02:14] <sarnold> well, that's still pretty open...
[02:14] <sarnold> gerbilcabbagehai: first, try "sudo less /var/log/auth.log" -- see if that's sufficient
[02:14] <gerbilcabbagehai> am i going to regret this? lol
[02:14] <sarnold> no, 'less' is a simple file viewer
[02:14] <sarnold> just hit 'q' to quit
[02:15] <gerbilcabbagehai> i mean am i going to regret asking for so much
[02:15] <sarnold> you may also like to try the "last" command
[02:18] <gerbilcabbagehai> chown bob:bob . index.html ; chmod 755 . ; chmod 644 index.html ... results in
[02:18] <gerbilcabbagehai> chown: changing ownership of `.': Operation not permitted
[02:18] <gerbilcabbagehai> chown: changing ownership of `index.html': Operation not permitted
[02:18] <gerbilcabbagehai> what am i typing incorrectly?
[02:18] <sarnold> oh bother. my fault.
[02:19] <gerbilcabbagehai> ./index...?
[02:19] <sarnold> gerbilcabbagehai: you'll need to run those commands via 'sudo'. If you run 'sudo -s' it'll start a root shell for you...
[02:19] <sarnold> gerbilcabbagehai: I'm being summoned for dinner :) so I'm off for the night. have fun!
[02:20] <gerbilcabbagehai> thanks :)
[02:27] <Bluemalkin> hi - does anyone know hot to do an approx apt cache refresh in 12.04 since the approx-update has been removed ?
[02:29] <gerbilcabbagehai> does root have more permissions than username? i.e. if I mistakenly make /var/www permissioned to USERNAME only, can root still access?
[03:19] <linocisco> hi all, HOw can I save jpg/pdf or scanned documents in database.?
[03:20] <linocisco> not as only link. Just physical image file
[03:54] <linocisco> hi all
[04:02] <linocisco> is there any LDAP like settopbox so that windows clients can authenticate and see their designated folder and their roaming home folders?
[07:41] <cluelessperson> Does anyone know how to restrict an SFTP user into only their home directory?
[07:44] <RoyK> cluelessperson: use rssh to disallow normal login and read up on chrooting
[07:45] <cluelessperson> RoyK: Is there an easier way to chroot?
[07:45] <cluelessperson> RoyK:  I've got rssh working
[07:50] <RoyK> cluelessperson: dunno, try google
[07:56] <cluelessperson> RoyK: I've spent way too much time on google without results.
[08:11] <Insomniac11> Hello, I need help troubleshooting an Ubuntu 12.04 Server-amd64 installation. I keep getting the errors listed in this pastebin: http://pastebin.com/frpZkMAt I also looked in the last 20 lines of the syslog and can't make sense of it, I attatched that to the pastebin as well for all to see. The pastebin has more detailed information as well.
[08:18] <ikonia> Insomniac11: it looks like you have errors that have already scrolled off the screen
[08:19] <Insomniac11> Hmm, I thought they were just wordwrapped down tot he next line??
[08:23] <ikonia> Insomniac11: your first line is saying "you may want to correct this problem" - so there is obviously errors above that
[08:24] <Insomniac11> Well, I read the last 20 lines were pernient somewhere where someone had a similar problem, and I didn't know how to export the entire syslog into a separate file from within the terminal to an ourside source.
[08:26] <Insomniac11> I'm sorry, I'm not very familiar with all of this. I will try to get you more information.
[08:29] <Insomniac11> I can give you access to my VNC? Then you can see the whole log
[08:29] <Insomniac11> as it is on my screen
[08:29] <ikonia> no thank you
[08:30] <Insomniac11> Any suggestions for forward progress?
[08:32]  * Insomniac11 shrugs
[08:32] <Insomniac11> Maybe someone can help in the #ubuntu channel. Thanks anyways ikonia.
[09:05] <Dulcin> I just accidentally chown and chgrp everything in /var/ to my user, I've put it back to root - but is that how is used to be?
[09:25] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:28] <jamespage> Dulcin, almost certainly not
[09:29] <RoyK> cluelessperson: first hit on google http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-linux-unix-rssh-chroot-jail-setup.html
[09:30] <RoyK> cluelessperson: good choice of nick, btw ;)
[09:31] <cluelessperson> RoyK: So I've followed the directions, and it doesn't work
[09:31] <RoyK> cluelessperson: then you're doing something wrong
[09:32] <cluelessperson> RoyK: http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?sshd_config+5
[09:33] <cluelessperson> according to that I can chroot and restrict sftp users without other dependencies, that I must set up chroot to be root owned but not rw by any other group.
[09:33] <cluelessperson> which means chmodding the chroot directory
[09:33] <cluelessperson> problem being, it's automounted by fstab
[09:35] <cluelessperson> so, I need to dictate in fstab the umask= something
[09:36] <cluelessperson> RoyK: do you know off the top of your head to only allow root access to either r or w ?
[09:36] <cluelessperson> mode
[09:37] <RoyK> cluelessperson: man setfacl
[09:37] <RoyK> !acl
[09:49] <cluelessperson> RoyK: Oi.  I'm getting closer.  Now I've only got a permission denied
[09:54] <cluelessperson> RoyK: Okay, so now the issue is what it's not restricting the user to their home directory
[09:55] <RoyK> cluelessperson: I've answered that question
[09:55] <cluelessperson> do chroot?  I did though
[09:56]  * RoyK gives up and finds something better to do than talking to rather clueless people
[09:56] <cluelessperson> RoyK: This isn't obvious.
[09:57] <cluelessperson> RoyK: First fstab has to mount it with appropriate permissions, which I have no idea what those are, supposedly only root read and write access.
[09:57] <cluelessperson> second, this user is configured to use the rssh shell, denied scp access.
[09:57] <cluelessperson> their home in /media/sftp/guest/
[12:13] <SpamapS> jamespage: did you see that ceph 0.48.2 was released on Wednesday?
[12:41] <roaksoax> Daviey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1054022
[13:02] <doko> Daviey, zul: is the maas-provision demotion ok for quantal?
[13:02] <zul> doko: no idea
[13:15] <Daviey> doko: I wouldn't worry about it.  It's either going to be plainly removed, or turned into a transitional package shortly.
[13:15] <doko> Daviey, ok, demoting. transitional packages can say in universe
[13:57] <_val_> Hi everyone. Using LTS 12.04. After a reboot I got to (initramfs). I fixed this issue once without using a live CD or else. Now how would I set the rootpat?  I did  set root=hd0,0   returned nothign. How do I beet the preivous kernel?
[14:00] <stgraber> hallyn: thoughts on https://github.com/lxc/lxc/issues/4 ?
[14:03] <doko> Daviey, the netcf binary pops up on the demotion list, although the source was promoted this cycle. is the demotion correct?
[14:10] <jamespage> _val_: hit escape on boot - you should get a menu of choices...
[14:18] <Daviey> doko: probably not
[14:19] <doko> please seed it
[14:22] <hallyn> stgraber: nothing we can do about that, it's kernel enforced
[14:23] <hallyn> stgraber: that's where optionalling doing chroot instaed of pivot_root would come in
[14:23] <_val_> jamespage: does not help.
[14:23] <hallyn> stgraber: but that won't fix certain things like /proc/maps and /proc/mounts
[14:23] <jamespage> _val_, does the same thing? hmmm
[14:24] <jamespage> the server iso has a rescue mode
[14:24] <_val_> I've set up a tunnel for the ipmi interface otherwise I can't reach the server. Either the Esc key is not working.. and when typing 'boot' it just says. Command not found
[14:24] <doko> SpamapS, jamespage: you seem to care about ceph. python-ceph is schedule for demotion. is this intended?
[14:24] <jamespage> doko, no
[14:24] <hallyn> stgraber: so we *could* recommend a particular ugly combination of virtual devices set up for /var/lib/lxc/ which would make MS_SHARED work, i *think* we can make it work...  fugly though
[14:24] <jamespage> let me seed it
[14:24] <doko> thanks
[14:25] <hallyn> stgraber: but the shared setting has to be right for both the device and it's parent iirc
[14:25] <hallyn> stgraber: (requirements are documented in fs/namespace.c)
[14:26] <hallyn> stgraber: (biab)
[14:26] <doko> Daviey, cloud-initramfs-rescuevol demotion?
[14:28] <stgraber> hallyn: so I guess there's no way of setting the initial bind mount as PRIVATE so it doesn't bring the whole tree with it?
[14:29] <hallyn> stgraber: not sure what you mean;  but a single mount won't do it
[14:29] <hallyn> we'd probably want to make a tmpfs mount and then mount /var/lib/lxc onto there
[14:29] <hallyn> stgraber: it's worth playing with.
[14:30] <stgraber> hmm, yeah... ugly, so not something we should be doing by default. Maybe get the magic in a pre-mount hook that they can use on systems with systemd
[14:31] <hallyn> that's an idea
[14:31] <jamespage> doko, done
[14:31] <Daviey> doko: Unless you are in a hurry for this, i'll process cloud related demotions on Monday.
[14:31] <hallyn> or pre-start
[14:31] <hallyn> i was thinking just recommending a best practice for setting up lxc at install time
[14:31] <doko> Daviey, that's fine. just doing my +1 maint
[14:32] <hallyn> stgraber: it would be fun to play with, but give we have our own priorities and time constraints, it seems like something we should guide one of our fine fedora friends through
[14:35] <stgraber> hallyn: yeah, not worth spending time working around weird systemd "features"
[14:36] <hallyn> stgraber: looking back through, current->fs->root->mnt-parent must not be MNT_SHARED - that's probably the hardest one to handle
[14:37] <jamespage> SpamapS, no - I'd missed that
[14:38] <jamespage> ceph 0.48.2 that is....
[14:38] <doko> Daviey, the last one is python3-requests
[14:38] <hallyn> stgraber: libvirt-lxc will of course have the same issue .  so really i expect it to be fixed in fedora pretty quickly
[14:43] <jamespage> SpamapS, release notes and commit history in github look reasonable
[14:43] <jamespage> http://ceph.com/releases/v0-48-2-argonaut-stable-update-released/
[14:46] <jamespage> I'll give it a test over the weekend and upload early next week
[14:50] <SpamapS> jamespage: I already started actually
[14:51] <SpamapS> jamespage: I was wondering how you've been creating the packages. I cloned git, checked out the tag, and then archive/uupdate'd from that
[14:51] <jamespage> SpamapS, use the watch file in the package - it does the right thing
[14:51] <jamespage> uscan --rename --verbose
[14:51] <jamespage> I think
[14:51] <SpamapS> jamespage: it produced a really gigantic diff
[14:52] <SpamapS> jamespage: all the generated files added and stuff
[14:53] <jamespage> SpamapS, really - odd - thats how I did it last file
[14:54] <jamespage> you are using the official ubuntu packaging branch as source right?
[14:55] <jamespage> grrr - now I remember
[14:55] <jamespage> bzr is crap at merging a tarball with a debian subfolder
[14:55] <jamespage> it should discard it IMHO
[14:55] <SpamapS> jamespage: I gave up on the bzr way rapidly
[14:56] <SpamapS> jamespage: I didn't spend much time investigating.. the git tag produced an expected diff
[14:58] <hallyn> plars: wow, this is messed up
[14:59] <hallyn> plars: i installed a precise server.  installed openssh-server.
[14:59] <hallyn> upgraded.  rebooted.  i have the console that doesn't update.
[14:59] <hallyn> plars: but i log in over ssh and watch ps output,
[14:59] <plars> hallyn: yeah, that's exactly what I'm seeing
[14:59] <hallyn> while i type my username /pwd onto the dead console.  then say 'vi /tmp/ab'.  'login --', bash, and vi /tmp/ab show up in ps -ef output!
[14:59] <jamespage> SpamapS, I don't have time todo it now - if you do update it please can you update the arch for python-ceph - I think it should be 'all'
[15:00] <jamespage> otherwise I'll pickup +2 days
[15:00] <hallyn> plars: so the consoles are working and getting input.
[15:00] <plars> hallyn: I haven't messed with the networking enough to sort out how to get a connection to it, what's incantation for that?
[15:00] <plars> hallyn: so it's not truly frozen, that's good at least
[15:00] <hallyn> plars: yeah this looks like a bug in the vnc output in qemu-kvm
[15:01] <hallyn> plars: not sure which incantation you mean.  i had the vm bridged to my br0, and watched dhcp server logs to get the ip address, and ssh'd to it
[15:02] <hallyn> and, if i hit 'send ctrl-alt-f2' in the vnc client menu, and log back in, i get a second session :)
[15:02] <hallyn> all right, i can file a bug on this.  thanks plars !
[15:02] <plars> hallyn: I'd be happy to file it, I just have no idea where to put it
[15:02] <SpamapS> jamespage: got it. Will do
[15:02] <hallyn> plars: oh i'm just going to qemu-devel.  feel free to email yoruself if you like.
[15:02] <hallyn> plars: now i'm wondernig if non-upgrade reboots will do it too
[15:03] <hallyn> plars: change of locale, biab
[15:07] <jamespage> SpamapS, ta
[15:12] <plars> hallyn: jibel just made an awesome discovery, booting with -vga std seems to make it happy
[15:15] <hallyn> plars: oh the default is cirrus?  bah.
[15:16] <hallyn> plars: i suppose it could even be the kernel driver in quantal
[15:16] <plars> hallyn: that's what it sounds like then...
[15:16] <hallyn> plars: so before oing to qemu-devel i'll file a bug in lp :)  to track our discoveries
[15:17] <hallyn> plars: would you mind doing a bunch of reboots in both precise and quantal vms and seeing if either/both get the no console after a regular reboot?
[15:17] <hallyn> plars: i'm also curious whether rebooting (without hard-power-off) can also fix the console
[15:17] <plars> hallyn: I'm doing it on the precise one right now, I can check in a bit on quantal
[15:18] <hallyn> plars: awesome, thanks.  i'll start the lp bug
[15:20] <hallyn> plars: say, are you using vnc, or are you using SDL?
[15:20] <hallyn> if you're using SDL then that makes it much less likely to be a qemu bug (as that's a different output system having the same bug as vnc)
[15:21] <plars> hallyn: sdl
[15:22] <hallyn> plars: interesting.  thanks
[15:41] <Queops> Hello! https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/postfix.html => Configuring SASL, I can't find what it wants me to edit on /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf
[16:04] <fullstop> Hey.. I have a 12.04 server, and it appears to be trying to mount -a before starting lvm.
[16:05] <fullstop> any idea how to get it to delay or change the order?
[16:05] <fullstop> switch to uuid rather than path?
[16:09] <xnox> fullstop: what's the actual problem why you want it not do that?
[16:09] <xnox> at boot we have udev running and adding lvms.
[16:10] <xnox> fullstop: you probably want to modify your /etc/lvm.conf if you don't want thousands of them =)
[16:10] <fullstop> at boot, it states that the device is not ready and asks if I wish to skip it.
[16:10] <hallyn> ahs3: self-tests all passed with http://people.canonical.com/~serge/netcf022/ . not sure if i should test an ubuntu version (with libvirt) before asking for the debian one to be pushed...
[16:10] <xnox> fullstop: and what is the device in question and why is it not ready?
[16:11] <ahs3> hallyn: couldn't hurt, y'know...
[16:11] <fullstop> The device is just a logical volume.  I assumed that it was not ready because lvm2 had not been started yet.
[16:11] <xnox> fullstop: please file a bug against mountall with your stab, fdisk and lvs & vgs.
[16:12] <xnox> fullstop: well, actually lvm2 in that case
[16:12] <hallyn> ahs3: :)
[16:12] <xnox> fullstop: udev rules should find and activate all VGs rather quickly
[16:12] <fullstop> I find it hard to believe that I'm the first to run into this
[16:12] <fullstop> http://pastebin.com/4Sv8cKvv
[16:13] <xnox> you have raid as well, so it's not just lvm.
[16:13] <fullstop> No, there is no raid.
[16:14] <fullstop> In fact, this setup only has one drive right now.
[16:14] <xnox> why is it assembling "MD arrays" - mdadm -> RAID arrays.
[16:14] <xnox> ?
[16:14] <fullstop> I'm guessing that it does that on all servers
[16:14] <xnox> no, it does not.
[16:15] <fullstop> I may have installed dmraid to get around another boot-time bug.
[16:15] <fullstop> I promise you, though, this system has just one drive.
[16:16] <xnox> fullstop: please file a bug against mountall and please attach: /etc/fstab, lvs, vgs
[16:16] <xnox> fullstop: something odd is going on though.
[16:17] <fullstop> okay
[16:17] <xnox> fullstop: ubuntu-bug mountall
[16:17] <xnox> should work on the server and collect relevant info.
[16:17] <xnox> and print an URL where to go in your browser to file a bug.
[16:18] <fullstop> got it
[16:19] <fullstop> I wish I could remember what package I installed to work around another boot-time problem.
[16:20] <sarnold> fullstop: /var/log/dpkg.log has some details when packages were installed; if you can recall vaguely when you installed that package, you may be able to find the log entries about it..
[16:20] <fullstop> sarnold: I looked through there already.  Nothing jumped out at me.
[16:22] <sarnold> fullstop: drat :)
[16:29] <fullstop> xnox: reported.  Here is a similar report: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=51146&start=0
[16:29] <xnox> fullstop: bug number?
[16:30] <fullstop> 1054190
[16:30] <xnox> fullstop: debian is not very relevant, as we do not use init scripts for lvm.
[16:30] <fullstop> noted
[16:30] <xnox> fullstop: bug 1054190 <---- this way I will get a link
[16:30] <xnox> tadah =)
[16:31] <fullstop> go uvirtbot
[16:32] <xnox> fullstop: ... and pvs
[16:32] <xnox> *sorry* =)
[16:33] <fullstop> We'll have to wait on that one.  The server is being rebooted and I'm remote.  Somebody has to walk up to it and press some keys.
[16:33] <xnox> fullstop: or are they on the partitions of the sda?
[16:33] <fullstop> I think that they are eating lunch right now.  :D
[16:33] <fullstop> They are partitions on /dev/sda
[16:34] <fullstop> I have something else..
[16:34] <xnox> and you have to skip to boot? what happens if you wait? this is disturbing.
[16:34] <fullstop> I think that it will wait forever.
[16:36] <fullstop> okay, added the output of parted -l
[16:36] <fullstop> be back in a bit
[16:54] <zul> jamespage:  i dont see how radosgw is failing
[17:01] <zul> jdstrand: so quantum
[17:12] <zul> jdstrand: cisco and niciria doesnt use rootwraper apparently
[17:13] <jdstrand> zul: ok. can you comment in the bug?
[17:13] <zul> jdstrand: i will
[17:13] <jdstrand> zul: ping me after and I'll ACK
[17:14] <zul> done
[17:16] <fullstop> xnox: http://pastebin.com/jggwtJ04
[17:16] <fullstop> I removed mdadm and rebooted.
[17:18] <fullstop> I've not mucked about with udev or anything like that, either.
[17:18] <fullstop> and the lvm2 init script has this in it: X-Start-Before:    checkfs mountall
[17:18] <fullstop> so I am kind of perplexed.
[17:28] <xnox> fullstop: interesting lvm2 init script you say?
[17:28] <xnox> fullstop: dpkg -S /etc/init.d/lvm2
[17:28] <xnox> or fullstop: dpkg -L lvm2
[17:29] <xnox> (we did have an accident of dropping clvm and reintroducing lvm2 init script, when we actually want to keep clvm and drop lvm2)
[17:29] <fullstop> lvm2: /etc/init.d/lvm2
[17:29] <fullstop> and the other dpkg command lists all of the files for the package.  I can paste that if need be
[17:29] <xnox> fullstop: on precise?
[17:29] <fullstop> yes
[17:30] <fullstop> Ubuntu 12.04 LTS \n \l
[17:30] <xnox> fullstop: dpkg -i lvm2
[17:30] <xnox> and fullstop: dpkg -L lvm2 | grep init
[17:30] <fullstop> dpkg-deb: error: `lvm2' is not a debian format archive
[17:31] <fullstop> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1219059/
[17:32] <xnox> fullstop: http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise-updates/amd64/lvm2/filelist
[17:32] <xnox> does not have lvm2 init script.
[17:32] <fullstop> This install is quite recent.
[17:32] <fullstop> and we've not gone around changing things willy-nilly.
[17:32] <xnox> fullstop: was it precise install or upgrade?
[17:32] <fullstop> install
[17:32] <fullstop> ubuntu-server
[17:33]  * xnox wonders where /etc/init.d/lvm2 came from
[17:33] <xnox> fullstop: what's the full lvm2 package version number?
[17:33] <xnox> dpkg -i lvm2
[17:33] <xnox> and
[17:33] <xnox> apt-cache policy lvm2
[17:34] <fullstop> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1219061/
[17:34] <fullstop> the first command wants to operate on a .deb package
[17:34] <xnox> fullstop: you are mixing debian & ubuntu
[17:35] <xnox> fullstop: if you want .95, just add quantal and pin lvm2 from quantal. But please note this is _not_ supported.
[17:35] <xnox> fullstop: and hence the boot problems you have.
[17:35] <fullstop> ಠ_ಠ
[17:35] <fullstop> I will find the person who added those repos
[17:35] <fullstop> sorry for wasting your time
[17:36] <xnox> fullstop: it's ok =) good luck.
[17:39] <skrite> hey all
[17:39] <xnox> fullstop: sounds like you want puppet management (which goes about overwritting "customizations" like these with approved/managed configs)
[17:39] <xnox> fullstop: or you can use landscape which does compliance management as well.
[17:39] <fullstop> I'll have a talk with a few people.
[17:46] <xnox> fullstop: you do want to check what other crap you got from testing, cause precise froze good ~4 months before debian did.
[17:46] <fullstop> Yes, going through that now.  Thanks.
[18:13] <hallyn> stgraber: pushed a single trivial fix to lp:ubuntu/precise-proposed/lxc.  NOt sure if you had other things to stage
[18:13] <stgraber> hallyn: nope, nothing on my side
[18:14] <hallyn> stgraber: hm, i'm loath to start an SRU for this one-liner
[18:14]  * hallyn tries to find other SRU-ables
[18:14] <stgraber> hallyn: oh, didn't see it was precise-proposed...
[18:15] <stgraber> hallyn: we have quite a few that probably should go as sru to precise
[18:15] <stgraber> hallyn: I'll have a look at what went into quantal, figure out what makes sense to push as sru
[18:15] <hallyn> hm, there's a bunch at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/lxc
[18:24] <chris|> hallyn, would you consider #1047837 sru able?
[18:26] <hallyn> chris|: switching from sysvinit to upstart - probably not.  especially since there doesn't appear to be a bug introduced by using sysvinit, right?
[18:26] <hallyn> chris|: SpamapS ^ might know better
[18:28] <SpamapS> chris|: It says wishlist. We only do SRU's for High Impact bugs.
[18:28] <chris|> right, there's no bug, but worth a try :)
[18:28] <SpamapS> chris|: and really, whats the point of migrating zabbix to upstart?
[18:28]  * SpamapS heads out to see the shuttle fly-by
[18:29] <chris|> SpamapS, have upstart start/stop services/task when specific containers start/stop
[18:30] <chris|> ah, no, zabbix
[18:32] <chris|> well, for once the respawn is kind of nice, I can delay zabbix until my networking and database setup is actually finished
[18:32] <hallyn> stgraber: uh, jinkeys.  I mistyped when fixing the debian testing container creation.  that needs to be isc-dhcp-client, not server
[18:33] <stgraber> oops, indeed :)
[18:33] <hallyn> stgraber: guess i'll commit the fix to that to bzr for now
[18:38] <arosales1> utlemming: could you add appropriate release note entry for the work items completed on the https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-q-cloud-images BP ?
[18:39] <utlemming> arosales1: yup, will do
[18:39] <arosales> utlemming: thanks
[18:40] <arosales> utlemming: probably want to do the same for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-q-awstools as most of the majority of the packaging work items look to be completed.
[18:41] <utlemming> arsoales: ack
[18:41] <arosales> utlemming: thanks
[19:16] <hallyn> stgraber: precise-proposed lxc tests fine, i'll push
[19:29] <stgraber> hallyn: ok
[19:30] <hallyn> hm, augeas in quantal seems broken
[19:45] <skrite> in virtualbox, can i run a virtual machine in the background, or like, from a screen or tmux session?
[20:07] <rjune> I put tasksel tasksel/first multiselect standard,edubuntu-desktop in my preseed file. It installed the standard system, but not edubuntu-desktop. Is that statement only able to specify a single target to install?
[20:13] <hallyn> ahs3: all right, that netcf (without the libvirt Conflicts) tests fine in quantal by itself and thorugh libvirt
[20:14] <ahs3> hallyn: sweet.  what's the url for the dsc file again?
[20:15] <hallyn> ahs3: http://people.canonical.com/~serge/netcf022/netcf_0.2.2-1.dsc
[20:16] <ahs3> hallyn: thx.  i'll try to get that in over the weekend
[20:18] <hallyn> ahs3: thanks!  ttyl
[20:41] <ninjix> anyone here ever used the python-libvirt to upload a virStorageVol?
[21:07] <robgault_> q
[22:07] <blizzow> okay, so I downloaded the iso for ubuntu server.  I ran the usb-creator-kde utility, formatted a 160 GB external USB drive.  then "installed" the iso on the drive via usb-creator-kde.  When I boot off the drive, the initial process is fine, but then during the hardware detection the thing just bitches and moans that it can't find the CDROM to continue the installation.  Anyone know a way around this?  I've tried to ln -sf /dev/sdf /dev/cdrom and that d
[22:07] <sarnold> blizzow: cut off at "and that d"
[22:08] <blizzow> "did not work."
[22:08] <sarnold> so close ;)
[22:08] <sarnold> blizzow: do any other virtual terminals show any debugging information?
[22:09] <blizzow> The debug console just shows it spinning at trying to detect cdroms or some similar verbiage.