[20:58] <Fallen> Hello docs friends, please check out https://canonical.com/documentation/open-documentation-academy


[02:42] <Oderus> hi. having difficulty connecting to a shared drive (windows) network share. I tell mount.cifs the address but it doesnt connect
[02:45] <Oderus> mount error: could not resolve address for TWEAKSLAPTOP: Unknown error
 Hello guys, I think i installed kubuntu 20.04 in safe graphics mode but i can't remember why
 How do I know that i installed safe graphics one?
 Anyone?
[04:15] <valorie> @Nearme101 I don't understand the question, to be honest
 When you liveboot there's 4 options right
[04:16] <valorie> what do you mean installed in safe graphics mode?
 Start kubuntu … Start Kubuntu (safe graphics mode)
[04:16] <valorie> hmmm
 I think I installed in safe graphics mode while I was sleeping
[04:16] <valorie> do you mean that choice affected your install?
[04:17] <valorie> I've never noticed that choice tbh
 No I accidentally pressed down and enter in sleep couldn't see
 Properly
 😅
[04:17] <valorie> or heard of installing in a different mode
 Is there any way I can see whether I installed normally or in graphics mode
[04:18] <valorie> sorry, no clue
[04:18] <valorie> perhaps someone in #ubuntu knows -- it is far larger
 No problem thanks
 what the safe graphic Mod for installation do ?
[08:28] <RyanFlynn> OK, so I wanted to install this 'Linux' browser instead of Chrome, I heard it was like way better and secure.  How do I use this? It's supposed to be an EXE?!
[08:39] <diogenes_> RyanFlynn, what?????
[08:40] <oerheks> now boot it in vmware
[08:41] <RyanFlynn> diogenes_ What do you mean what? I'm genuinely really confused here! Everything else I've downloaded is an .exe this doesn't make sense
[08:41] <oerheks> linux is not a brower, it is a complete OS
[08:41] <oerheks> grinn
[08:42] <RyanFlynn> So a browser is a mini-os? I heard about chrome-os, so doesn't it follow that there's a linux browser?
 Chrome-os is an entire OS on its own, based on linux
 You use a browser to navigate on the internet
 You use an OS to utilize a computer
 A browser is just a program that your os can run
[08:46] <RyanFlynn> No it's not, I have chrome installed rn, I'm using it to browse the internet
 Chrome browser and Chrome-OS are two entirely different things
[08:47] <RyanFlynn> That'd be dumb if there was a difference between chrome-os and chrome browser.  I have this issue on i3wm that couldn't allow me to autoconnect to the connection when I startup the pc.  … So I have to start systemsettings5 and click on the connection option in order to make it autoconnect to the wifi. Would be much faster to type something in the terminal
 I am using kubuntu 19.10. The autoconnection suddenly stopped working
[09:00] <diogenes_> Franzpow, nmcli device connect wlan1
[09:01] <diogenes_> firts nmcli d to see the exact name of the interface.
[09:01] <diogenes_> first*
 Ok. I will try that, thanks
 It asks the password but I've already inserted it
 Maybe I could insert the command in the i3 config file to make it start everytime I bootup the pc
 Can anyone confirm a working Kmail instance in 20.04? I want to know if it is worth continuing trying to troubleshoot it. (Kmail receives but cannot send mail). Anybody -please let me know if you have Kmail working in Fossa otherwise I will look at installing 19.10 again or another distro. nb Please don't @ me about using Thunderbird (or other). Thanks!
[10:18] <Administrator_> test
[10:19] <Administrator_> can i install kde ubuntu on windows nt 4.0
[10:19] <Administrator_> if so please help
[10:21] <_heavyarms> uuhhh
[10:21] <_heavyarms> like in vm?
[10:22] <Administrator_> no i found this old computer
[10:22] <Administrator_> it has a vm it has dosbox
[10:22] <Administrator_> would that work?
[10:23] <Administrator_> it was in a bush and it has a sticker that says intel pentium II tm
 @Administrator_, test
[10:23] <Administrator_> so you know its good
[10:24] <Administrator_> one of you guys is scanning my ports
[10:28] <_heavyarms> lol you're pulling my leg
[10:28] <_heavyarms> funny
[10:29] <Administrator_> i'm not it says right there received a ctcp ping from someone in the kubuntu chat though and thats illegal behaviour
[10:29] <Administrator_> HEY
[10:29] <Administrator_> what are you doing stop
[10:30] <_heavyarms> anyway, okay, i'll for some reason assume you're not just messing with me (for some reason). i hella wouldn't put kubuntu on a pentium 2. maybe puppy linux?
[10:31] <Administrator_> im not messing im dead serious
[10:31] <Administrator_> can i install puppy on nt 4.0
[10:31] <_heavyarms> sheesh, even xfce might be a little too bloated for that relic. tough call. but i do know that i put lubuntu and xfce mint on a laptop which is approximately pentium 4 era.. and it creaks and moans lol
[10:32] <_heavyarms> you wouldn't install it on top of it, but replace the OS entirely, unless you're installing it in a separate partition or inside a virtual machine
[10:32] <_heavyarms> but you probably know what all of this means since you're just messing with me
[10:34] <Administrator_> no i know everything i just need guidance
[10:34] <Administrator_> im going to hack you all
[10:34] <_heavyarms> a'ight
[10:34] <Administrator_> https://i.4cdn.org/g/1588501996816.png
[10:34] <Administrator_> proof
[10:35] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[10:35] <_heavyarms> hey, BluesKaj
[10:35] <_heavyarms> spoiler, the windows NT was inside of us all along
[10:36] <BluesKaj> hi _heavyarms
[10:37] <_heavyarms> i guess i'm amazed xchat runs in Windows NT
[10:37] <Administrator_> im hacking you
[10:38] <_heavyarms> all right
[10:38] <Administrator_> haaha
[10:41] <BluesKaj> Administrator_, do you have any kubuntu/kde questions?
[10:43] <Administrator_> yes
[10:43] <Administrator_> i am trying to install the kde ubuntu on windows NT 4.0
[10:43] <Administrator_> but i don't know how
[10:45] <BluesKaj> Administrator_, you can't so stop asking silly questions
[10:47] <_heavyarms> i wonder if the NT itself is being run in a VM. OS-ception
[10:47] <Administrator_> cat ubuntu.iso >/dev/sda would work on NT 4.0 wouldnt it
[10:47] <Administrator_> its not
[10:47] <Administrator_> im on a pentium II tm
[10:48] <_heavyarms> kubuntu would make a pentium 2 melt irl. it is kind of funny to think about
[10:48] <_heavyarms> in a way, i guess
[10:49] <BluesKaj> _heavyarms, don't feed the troll
[10:50] <_heavyarms> yeah, fair enough
[10:50] <_heavyarms> if this were a bit more serious, i might have suggested lightweight distros for a pentium 2, etc
[10:51] <Xavi92> _heavyarms: I have a laptop sporting an AMD K6-II CPU, so any suggestions are welcome
[10:51] <Administrator_> i am very serious
[10:51] <BluesKaj> _heavyarms, the kde chat has already suggested he ask in debian chat
[10:51] <Administrator_> amd is bad intel pentium is higheer quality
[10:51] <_heavyarms> oh okay
[10:52] <_heavyarms> xavi92, whoa. okay, maybe something like puppy, slitaz, or tinycore.
[10:54] <_heavyarms> also, a non-gui version of something like arch might be okay.. though you might need an earlier version because of a lot of distros being 64 bit, and UEFI-weirdness.
[10:55] <Xavi92> _heavyarms: already tested slitaz, tinycore and Damn Small Linux, although all of them had disavantages
[10:55] <Administrator_> i don't think nmap is supposed to work like that but I dunno
[10:55] <Administrator_> WTF?
[10:55] <Administrator_> all the ports are open lol
[10:55] <Administrator_> testdicks diccksdv icsnbuijkdshngbkdsi don't think nmap is supposed to work like that but I dunno
[10:55] <Administrator_> WTF?
[10:55] <Administrator_> all the ports are open lol
[10:55] <Administrator_> testdicks diccksdv icsnbuijkdshngbkdsi don't think nmap is supposed to work like that but I dunno
[10:55] <_heavyarms> Xavi92, right
[10:56] <Xavi92> _heavyarms: the Linux kernel stopped supporting i586 (which the K6-II still is) a long time ago, so compatible distros tend to use very long kernels and packages :(
[10:57] <_heavyarms> ah right
[10:57] <Administrator_> sorry bout that
[10:58] <_heavyarms> i'm guessing a lot more is on the table if you don't rely on a gui
[10:58] <Xavi92> _heavyarms: the laptop has no Ethernet interface, so I use a WiFi USB dongle from Lutec. While it worked on Win XP and some of those distros, I could not find a compatible driver on BSD
[10:58] <_heavyarms> that sounds unsurprising :/
[10:58] <Administrator_> boards.4channel.org/g/thread/75711473
[10:59] <Administrator_> this will explain
[11:00] <_heavyarms> nobody thought you weren't a troll, so...
[11:01] <BluesKaj> he was just banned from #kde chat
[11:01] <_heavyarms> anyway, Xavi92, hm.. that's tricky. i wonder how older non-gui debian would do?
[11:01] <Administrator_> its a public vm where people get allocated 30 second goes
[11:01] <Administrator_> i'm very sorry guys
[11:01] <Administrator_> can anyone help me instlal kde on nt 4.0
[11:01] <Administrator_> it is important
[11:07] <BluesKaj> Administrator_, this has nothing to do with kubuntu support but here you go, but don't bother us about it again because it's offtopic here, https://sourceforge.net/projects/kde-windows/
[11:08] <Xavi92> _heavyarms: hm, I think I tried installing older versions of Debian a few years ago with no success. Can't recall why though
[11:09] <heavyarms_> for sure
[11:12] <heavyarms_> oh, antix is another one i forgot about, have heard of, but never actually used
[11:13] <heavyarms_> that is debian-based, but touts itself as running on a lot of older machines, like pentium 3s
[11:17] <Xavi92> heavyarms_: I knew AntiX, and I'm pretty sure I gave it a try with no success. Hmm, let me give it another try
[11:17] <heavyarms_> all right
[11:19] <heavyarms_> i know some old-ish computers have some uefi stuff to play with.. but oddly enough they only started doing that *in* 1998 and beyond, so that might not be your issue at all
[11:19] <BluesKaj> guys this conversation is better suited for #kubuntu-offtopic chat
[11:19] <heavyarms_> oh, sorry
[11:26] <Xavi92> Sorry BluesKaj, moving to #kubuntu-offtopic then
[11:28] <BluesKaj> Xavi92, thanks
[12:59] <Papy> Hi
[14:40] <Roey> hi
[14:41] <Roey> i just finished playing Skyrim.  Now I see that I have zero desktop effects (no translucency either).. how do I fix this?
[14:41] <Roey> thanks!
[14:41] <franzo> maybe just restart the compositor
[14:42] <franzo> systemsettings-> video  -> compositor
[14:43] <Roey> ok, thanks.
[14:43] <Roey> OpenGL compositing (the default) has crashed KWin in the past.
[14:43] <Roey> This was most likely due to a driver bug.
[14:43] <Roey> If you think that you have meanwhile upgraded to a stable driver,
[14:43] <Roey> you can reset this protection but be aware that this might result in an immediate crash!
[14:43] <Roey> Alternatively, you might want to use the XRender backend instead.
[14:43] <Roey> that's the message I see there.. so I am re-enabling, let's se..
[14:43] <Roey> see*
[14:44] <Roey> ok, that worked!  Thanks!!
[14:44] <franzo> no problem!
[14:45] <Son_Goku123> Hello
[14:46] <Son_Goku123> How are  you ?
[14:53] <flejm> hi
[14:53] <Son_Goku123> hey
[14:57] <flejm> I have some problem, I want to instal driver of graphic tablet and I don't know how to do it with files from github
[15:12] <BluesKaj> flejm, https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-install-a-software-from-Github-in-Ubuntu-using-terminal
 Hi. How to reinstall kdewallet from terminal? Thanks.
[17:36] <BluesKaj> @Alexblabber sudo apt install --reinstall kwalletcli
[17:42] <Shesh> Hi, I need a small icon help
[17:42] <Shesh> How to replace the dolphin icon with my owm ?
[17:42] <Shesh> own *
[17:43] <Shesh> What is the path and name ?
[17:43] <Shesh> thanks
[17:44] <Shesh> I tried in apps folder 48 as file-manager.svg and dolphin.svg and Dolphin.svg
[17:44] <Shesh> nothing works
[17:44] <Shesh> :(
[17:58] <diogenes_> Shesh, only for the menu?
[18:00] <Shesh> only for the icon
[18:00] <Shesh> which we see in the task bar
[18:00] <Shesh> thanks for responding
[18:01] <Shesh> I created a duplicate of breeze theme and using it for changes
[18:01] <Shesh> stored at .local>share>icons>freeze
[18:01] <Shesh> :)
[18:03] <Shesh> but , please ignore my amateur efforts. I would like to do the right way
[18:08] <diogenes_> Shaan7, you can copy /usr/share/applications/dolphin.desktop ~/.local/share/applications and modify ~/.local/share/applications/dolphin.desktop Icon=/path/to/newicon.png
[18:09] <diogenes_> sorry Shesh ^^^^^
[18:11] <Shesh> Thanks :diogenes
[18:12] <diogenes_> you're welcome
[18:12] <Shesh> what would be the name ?
[18:12] <diogenes_> name?
[18:12] <Shesh> dolphin.desktop
[18:12] <Shesh> got it
[18:14] <diogenes_> i said dolphin.desktop arbitrary but the name might be different.
[18:14] <Shesh> ok :)
[18:14] <Shesh> org.kde.dolphin.desktop
[18:15] <diogenes_> yeah
[18:16] <Shesh> icon=system-file-manager
[18:18] <diogenes_> you can place any icon you want in .local/share/icons and give a specific name then modify Icon=youricon.
[18:18] <Shesh> I see, got it. )
[18:18] <Shesh> need to go thank you very much
[18:19] <diogenes_> you're welcome
[18:19] <Shesh> :)
[19:08] <user|51855> hello all. noob here. Just started using kubuntu 20.04. When I change the wallpaper on the desktop, this wallpaper is not retained between reboots. where should I report this?
[19:09] <tomreyn> !bug
[19:16] <krytarik> I wouldn't jump right ahead to reporting it as a bug though, but rather check first if there might be something like a permissions issue.  I'm not using Plasma myself though, so someone who does and knows where to look needs to step in there.
[19:17] <user|51855> thanks all. @krytarik: I'm sorry but I had already reported it as a bug just before reading your respons.
[19:18] <krytarik> Ok, bug number?
[19:23] <user|51855> @krytarik 1876613
[19:24] <krytarik> LP bug 1876613
[19:44] <krytarik> Just reassigned it to 'plasma-desktop' at least.
[22:02] <Shesh> hi,
[22:02] <Shesh> Can someone teach me how to change splash screen in GIMP. It is all different when I installed from GIMP
[22:09] <Oderus> shesh: try grub-customizer
[22:15] <Shesh> Oderus: It is for GIMP. GIMP's splash screen
[22:15] <Shesh> thanks
[22:15] <Shesh> I not sure where to place the image
[22:25] <Oderus> could just place it in pictures and point to it or /boot/grub
[22:28] <Shesh> +Oderus , I am trying to talk about the screen that will splash when opening GIMP
[22:29] <Shesh> not the boot screen image :)
[22:31] <Oderus> lol.... oops. grub on the mind i guess
[22:32] <Shesh> :)
[23:16] <Oderus>  trying to share from ubuntu to windows, via samba. i got it all set up, the only problem is.. when i connect from windows it says it doesnt have permission to access it. What would a root command be to give a specified user read and write access to a given folder?


[10:48] <jme__> well they can control and they try
[10:48] <macd> they can and DO control it
[10:49] <Kyral> the Internet as we know it was started by the Department Of Defense
[10:49] <Official_C> i think they need to control the net to some extent
[10:49] <jme__> 'net neutrality' fight happening just now is part of it
[10:49] <Kyral> jme__: I know
[10:49] <Official_C> standards need to be upheld
[10:49] <Official_C> or the net would be chaos
[10:49] <Kyral> jme__: I emailed my Senators
[10:49] <Kyral> Official_C: Thats what the W3C is for
[10:49] <macd> and until someone comes up with billions of dollars to kay your own infrastructure and long haul lines, guess what, they WILL control it
[10:49] <Kyral> The ancient ARPANet
[10:49] <jme__> Kyral: good :) ask people to put net neutrality picture on their blog :)
[10:49] <macd> Kyral: w3c has nothing todo with the net, other than WEB standards
[10:50] <FisherP> may i point out that if the DOD were to get thier hands back on the net, things would be tighter controlled --- security reasons
[10:50] <Official_C> Kyral: i dont think i comrehend excatly what you are proposing people should be able to do
[10:50] <Kyral> jme__: I got one better, I got an email back from Senator Clinton (not one of the generic responses)
[10:50] <macd> the DoD has thier own network.
[10:50] <nnn0> they don't want "control" as in "do what ever you want", they only want to know what everyone is doing - it's like the cell phone, it's the biggest intelligence coup ever, everyone bugging themselves now ;)
[10:50] <Official_C> please describe exactly what kind of control you mean
[10:50] <jme__> Kyral: nice :)
[10:50] <Kyral> jme__: even better, she's on our side in the Net Neutrality war :D
[10:50] <FisherP> terrorism etc
[10:51] <jme__> Kyral: vote for her :)
[10:51] <FisherP> you wouldn't bew able to say bomb without some team smashing in doors
[10:51] <linuxmonkey> !offtopic
[10:51] <ubotu> Non Ubuntu support related discussions may be carried out in the channel #ubuntu-offtopic. Editor/Language wars are welcome there!
[10:51] <Kyral> Official_C: the war for Net Neutrality is basically some bozo in Congress proposed letting ISPs charge more for accessing other sites and whatnot
[10:51] <Official_C> shut up ubotu
[10:52] <Official_C> Kyral: charging more for accessing which sites??
[10:52] <Official_C> what kind of sites
[10:52] <FisherP> tt4n
[10:52] <Kyral> macd: I meant in that the W3C maintains the standards for HTML and whatnot. Even Microsoft has realized that they shouldn't try to pull Embrace, Extend, Estinguish
[10:52] <Kyral> Official_C: Whatever they wise
[10:52] <Kyral> err
[10:52] <Kyral> wish even
[10:53] <Kyral> like oh...COMPETITORS sites
[10:53] <Official_C> Kyral: that is the biggest mound of BS i've eveer heard
[10:53] <macd> Official_C: its true though.
[10:53] <macd> VOIP paved the way for this.
[10:53] <Kyral> http://www.savetheinternet.com/
[10:53] <Official_C> yeah, im not sayin hes lying or anything
[10:53] <nixternal> !offtopic
[10:53] <Official_C> just saying its BS
[10:53] <ubotu> Non Ubuntu support related discussions may be carried out in the channel #ubuntu-offtopic. Editor/Language wars are welcome there!
[10:53] <macd> it was only matter of time the carriers were going to realize people were saving more off thier broadband than they were paying
[10:54] <Official_C> what reason do they give to be able to charge more for access to  certain sites?
[10:54] <Official_C> i dont get it
[10:54] <nnn0> money ;)
[10:54] <Kyral> You can't stop this offtopic now :P
[10:55] <nnn0> hehe
[10:55] <h3sp4wn> Baseband is alot than broadband if you can set it up (does kubuntu support baseband modems ?)
[10:55] <macd> they dont need a reason, they own the network infrastructure
[10:55] <h3sp4wn> alot better sorry
[10:55] <jme__> Official_C: simple, people not paying them will have poor service, people paying them will have good service
[10:55] <Kyral> C'Mon this is a good discussion for once
[10:55] <Kyral> let us keep it going
[10:55] <linuxmonkey> Please move you discussion to #kubuntu-offtopic
[10:55] <jme__> yep and this is usefull and kinda related
[10:55] <nnn0> Hail Profit
[10:55] <Kyral> linuxmonkey: bah :P
[10:56] <nixternal> keep it going in another channel please. as this channel is logged and used to create support information. thank you
[10:56] <Kyral> oy...
[10:56] <jme__> ubuntu is defending the people to set them free from the big corporation
[10:56] <mindspit> is there a place with a very good manual on installing ubuntu and use it a ......... we bhosting solution ?
[10:56] <Official_C> jme: that could go on forever though
[10:56] <jme__> net neutrality has the same goal
[10:56] <Official_C> jme: prices would just snowball
[10:56] <Kyral> mindspit: www.howtoforge.net, search for "The Perfect Setup"
[10:56] <Official_C> under that reasoning
[10:56] <nixternal> mindspit: you can check out http://help.ubuntu.com but I have seen many articles at howtoforge ;)
[10:56] <nixternal> thx Kyral
[10:56] <Kyral> HowtoForge OWNS :D
[10:57] <nixternal> howtoforge has great Ubuntu server articles
[10:57] <jme__> Official_C: yep and they do reason it :) and see huge profit potential :)
[10:57] <mindspit> thanks guys!
[10:57] <nnn0> mindspit, http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu_6.06
[10:57] <mindspit> for ubuntu_5.10 ... for 6.60 ?
[10:57] <Kyral> And even if they did get their way
[10:57] <h3sp4wn> mindspit: What sort of connection do you have ? you need at least SDSL to even think about hosting
[10:58] <Kyral> they forget that Hackers created the Net. We can make anotherone if we have to :P
[10:58] <Official_C> jme: correct me if im wrong (which i probably am) but are ISP's basically saying that they are tired of the communistic method of internet providing thats been going on?
[10:58] <nnn0> Kyral, :D
[10:58] <Kyral> *twitch* communist?
[10:59] <jme__> Official_C: not in this way but yes. they want to do more money
[10:59] <mindspit> that's true but we are greeks! :( and i just want ot learn how to administer a machine so i 'll get two or three dyndns.org accounts and go deep into apache!
[10:59] <Kyral> To qoute Bruce Parens
[10:59] <nnn0> most isp rent their lines
[10:59] <jme__> Official_C: obviously they dont realize this will kill the net too :)
[10:59] <Kyral> "Karl Marx did not invent 'helping your neighbor'"
[10:59] <nnn0> only a few players own the cables
[10:59] <Official_C> jme: yeah, it is unbelievably stupid...
[11:00] <Kyral> The Internet is, dare I say, the last true bastion of Freedom of Speech and Opinion
[11:00] <jme__> surprisingly the only way to save the net neutrality is to make it more profitable for the whole :)
[11:00] <nnn0> agree
[11:00] <Official_C> so what is Hilary Clinton trying to do?
[11:00] <linuxmonkey> ok please move your off topic (this is a support channel) to #kubuntu-offtopic
[11:00] <Kyral> Oh Clinton agreed with us :D
[11:00] <Official_C> jme: how would you do that?
[11:01] <nnn0> politicians are whores
[11:01] <Kyral> She just happened to be my senator and I emailed her with the issue (First time I actually bitched to a politican about something :D)
[11:01] <jme__> Official_C: well dunno :)
[11:01] <linuxmonkey> nnn0: watch the language
[11:01] <nnn0> well they are !
[11:01] <Kyral> I dispise Politics as much as the next guy
[11:01] <Kyral> but Senator Clinton earned my respect
[11:02] <Kyral> by siding with us
[11:02] <Kyral> MARCH ON WASHINGTON!!! :P
[11:02] <Official_C> hmm, this has been an interesting convo..but i gotta go eat...thx for the info
[11:02] <Official_C> peace
[11:02] <nnn0> they have no vision at all, just a big load of bull****
[11:02] <ru> whats the easiest way to upgrade to dapper from breezy using kubuntu?
[11:02] <Kyral> !upgrade
[11:02] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade. Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades . Note: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the latest development verison: (eft when its open)
[11:02] <Riddell-awa> Kyral: please stay on topic
[11:02] <Kyral> !botsnack
[11:02] <ubotu> thanks kyral :)
[11:02] <nixternal> Hey guys, I totally respect your rights to free speach, and I totally agree with pretty much everything you are saying, but could you please move to #kubuntu-offtopic or another location. I hate to do this more then the next guy, but we try to keep this channel open for tech support
[11:02] <ru> I just ran sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:03] <Kyral> Yah yah Riddell-awa
[11:03] <Kyral> sorry boss :D
[11:03] <ru> and my /proc/version = "ubuntu 3.4.4-6ubuntu8.1"
[11:03] <ru> I take it I didnt upgrade?
[11:03] <Kyral> that...means nothing
[11:03] <Kyral> ru: do cat /etc/issue
[11:03] <ru> Ubuntu 5.10 "Breezy Badger" \n \l
[11:03] <ru> damn
[11:03] <ru> thanks
[11:03] <ru> what repo should I add in my apt sources.list?
[11:04] <ru> And what command do I need to run to upgrade
[11:04] <Kyral> ubotu tell ru about upgrade
[11:05] <mindspit> how can i change  /etc/host to use a dyndns ip address and the known to me *.dyndns.org ????
[11:05] <Kyral> huh?
[11:06] <Kyral> You don't
[11:06] <Kyral> the DNS system just points to you
[11:06] <Kyral> you don't need to modify /etc/hosts
[11:06] <mindspit> ok... :(
[11:07] <mindspit> just to make it speed up when i call a local page!
[11:07] <jme__> ah ok
[11:07] <jme__> mindspit: just use 'localhost' and not the dyndns.org
[11:08] <jme__> if i understand what you mean :)
[11:08] <ru> downloading file 1 of 1397
[11:08] <ru> lol!
[11:08] <mindspit> thanks!
[11:08] <jme__> well you have to start somewhere :)
[11:09] <gilster> JavaByte: thanks
[11:09] <gilster> much appreciated
[11:09] <gilster> have to run
[11:09] <gilster> adios
[11:10] <mindspit> how can i store the ":syn on" in vi(m) when opening a new file ?
[11:11] <jme__> mindspit: just a little advice, you will get better help by trying to express yourself more clearly
[11:12] <gilster> thanls
[11:17] <mindspit> how can i make vi to execute automaticly the ":syn on" (make markup/use colors of the file ) in vi(m) whenever i open a file in it?
[11:18] <h3sp4wn> mindspit: You can do source /usr/share/vim/current/syntax/perl.vim or such lines in .vimrc
[11:19] <h3sp4wn>  /usr/share/vim/vim64/syntax/perl.vim (it would be on kubuntu)
[11:22] <beavis> after installing a mouse theme from .home , can i remove the .zip theme od do i have to keep it there ?
[11:23] <nixternal> if you imported the theme beavis then yes you can remove it...if you want to be sure, just move it to another area first...if it doesn't break...then you can remove it
[11:23] <beavis> nixternal: ok ty
[11:23] <nixternal> np
[11:24] <mindspit> i did a new file named /home/mindspit/.vimrc and added the following line ":syn on"  ... it works ! thanks again!
[11:28] <mindspit> i love kubuntu :) !!! the only problem i cannot fix is my usb pc web camera named Qcam ... :(
[11:29] <beavis> yeah kubuntu rocks
[11:29] <BoD[] > Hi !
[11:29] <beavis> my webcam works but its pretty bad compared to windows driver
[11:29] <beavis> hi
[11:29] <BoD[] > Hey does anybody know about the message "The process for the system protocol died unexpectedly" when booting?
[11:30] <BoD[] > I mean right after bootink
[11:30] <BoD[] > g
[11:30] <beavis> is your system overclocked?
[11:30] <BoD[] > nop
[11:30] <BoD[] > it seems to be a kde message
[11:31] <beavis> dont know , im new to linux
[11:32] <jme__> what would be a 'system protocol' ?
[11:34] <BoD[] > good question
[11:35] <jme__> is this the exact text displayed ?
[11:35] <jme__> if so you can google for it
[11:35] <jme__> and see what is popping up
[11:36] <jme__> my advice would first to understand who generate this unclear message
[11:36] <jme__> to me, this seems like a deamon which died
[11:36] <bioticpro> Hello all, Im trying to setup ntpdate to connect to time server upon dialup net connection only, can anyone help with this?
[11:36] <jme__> a deamon doing 'system protocol' :)
[11:37] <jme__> ntpdate pool.ntp.org <- is the command to run
[11:37] <jme__> then where to put it
[11:37] <jme__> i dont have any kubuntu running now...
[11:38] <BoD[] > i googled for it, only one answer wich was a bug entry :)
[11:38] <jme__> but putting this line in /etc/ppp/ip-up
[11:38] <BoD[] > with no fix of course
[11:38] <jme__> or /etc/ppp/ip-up.local seem the way to go
[11:38] <jme__> BoD[] :  :) who generated the message
[11:40] <bioticpro> thx jme__ , will try that now
[11:40] <BoD[] > jme__: no idea
[11:40] <jme__> BoD[] : aahh this is a kio stuff
[11:41] <jme__> for system:/
[11:41] <BoD[] > ahh hrmm .. hmm?
[11:41] <BoD[] >  :)
[11:41] <BoD[] > </noclue>
[11:42] <jme__> me neither :)
[11:42] <[Evil] [Ernie] > anyone have any luck running winamp with wine on kubuntu?
[11:42] <jme__> BoD[] : but now i know who generated the message and why it looks so vague :)
[11:44] <bioticpro> jme__: how do I get around this? sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Jun 18 15:25:07 2006
[11:44] <jme__> bioticpro: you reboot :)
[11:45] <bioticpro> jme__: btw, I didn't have a ip-up.local, just ip-up and ip-up.d
[11:46] <jme__> bioticpro: did ip-up worked ?
[11:47] <beavis> i like my font size with konquerer to be Ctrl++ , how can i det that exact size to use as default?
[11:47] <gilster> i have set up my GL properly and all and i still  have problems with my screensavers
[11:47] <gilster> any help?
[11:48] <beavis> did you install the video driver for you card?
[11:48] <jme__> bioticpro: if it dont try putting 'ntpdate pool.ntp.org' in a file called say 'my_ntpdate' in ip-up.d
[11:48] <gilster> its an onboard intel915
[11:49] <jme__> beavis: there are some option for this in the preference setting. look to font. i dunno the exact menu
[11:49] <bioticpro> jme__: ok, I will have to reboot first though, since I can't sudo right now
[11:49] <jme__> bioticpro: ok.
[11:50] <jme__> bioticpro: playing with 'touch' in /var/run/sudo/ may fix the sudo future date
[11:50] <Chi> hello all
[11:51] <gilster> do i need to install drivers for an intel915 onboard card
[11:51] <Chi> I need help w/ my wifi card can any one help me out?
[11:52] <gilster> hello?
[11:52] <bioticpro> jme__: not sure what you mean...
[11:53] <Chi> well my card doesn't work at all
[11:53] <Chi> the light don't work on it & i can't get on the net w/ it
[11:54] <jme__> bioticpro: in the /var/run/sudo directory, do you see a file or directory called 'bioticpro' or whatever is your username on kubuntu
[11:54] <Chi> chi
[11:54] <bioticpro> jme__: cd /var/run/sudo-bash: cd: /var/run/sudo: Permission denied
[11:55] <jme__> ah yeah :)
[11:55] <jme__> bioticpro: you need to be root for that :)
[11:55] <jme__> bioticpro: ok so reboot it would be easier
[11:56] <bioticpro> jme__: so looks like a reboot...
[11:56] <slow-motion> n8
[11:56] <bioticpro> jme__: I am remoting into someones dialup connected box, so reboot will loose connection, I'll just have to call them and have them reconnect
[11:57] <gilster> ok let me rephrase..i have an intel 915 card that is picked up as i810 is this normal
[11:57] <jme__> bioticpro: oh. so lets try something else
[11:57] <gilster> yes...i am a noob
[11:57] <jme__> bioticpro: do 'su -' press enter and then type your root password
[11:57] <Chi> does any one know how to setup a dlink "DWL-G650M" wifi pcmcia card?
[11:58] <jme__> bioticpro: i hope you already created a root password :)
[11:59] <lime4x4> well my kubuntu box won't let be today..lol  I get the logon screen and type my password then i get a black screen and i'm brought back to the login screen
[11:59] <bioticpro> jme__: won't that activate the root acount?  I have it currently disabled...
[11:59] <jme__> bioticpro: if you do you can avoid the reboot/call yourfirend cycle
[11:59] <bioticpro> jme__: thats cool, I'll just reboot, Ive had major problems using root before in kubuntu
[11:59] <jme__> bioticpro: ah ok. no it would just use the root account. and wont work if it not already activated
[11:59] <jme__> bioticpro: ok
[12:00] <bioticpro> jme__: thx for the help, ttyl :)
[12:00] <jme__> bioticpro: my pleasure
[12:00] <jme__> going to game now
[12:01] <lime4x4> any ideas where to start looking?
[12:01] <jme__> lime4x4: nope but doesnt look good
[12:01] <jme__> ok off
[12:02] <h3sp4wn> 2.6.17 seems to not like the udev in dapper
[12:02] <lime4x4> well i can log in thru console thou


[09:19] <enrico> Good morning!
[09:20] <enrico> The Ubuntu Conference is slowly fading into existance around me
[09:54] <ChrisH> enrico: Not enough sleep? :)
[10:00] <ChrisH> Obviously...
[10:04] <ChrisH> End of breakfast? :)
[10:07] <enrico> *burp*
[10:07] <enrico> Yes!  The whole thing started!
[10:08] <enrico> I just joined the network detection and autoconfiguration BOF
[10:08] <enrico> Started with showing netapplet and network-manager
[10:09] <ChrisH> enrico: Tell them I still can't connect to Windows Server shares. :)
[10:09] <enrico> ChrisH: :)
[10:23] <enrico> plan for hoary is to pick one of the two and make it kind of right.  Post-hoary, something better can be investigated
[10:40] <enrico> now talking about which connection types to support
[10:46] <ChrisH> isdn, external modem, ethernet, wifi (should be configurable in the future through a gnome interface)
[10:47] <enrico> wifi will be configurable in hoary already
[10:47] <enrico> ChrisH: all you mentioned will be in
[11:35] <ChrisH> enrico: has sivan arrived already?
[11:35] <enrico> ChrisH: no, or at least I haven't seen him.  What time was he due to arrive?
[11:36] <ChrisH> enrico: night or early morning IIRC
[11:38] <enrico> I'll wait to see someone looking suspiciously worried
[11:38] <ChrisH> That wouldn't be Sivan, that would be me. ;)
[04:14] <ChrisH> enrico_: Nick stolen again?
[04:14] <enrico_> oh..  your laptop can't crash a second and someone is already there getting your nick .. :)
[04:15] <ChrisH> enrico: Nickserv rulez. :)
[04:15] <enrico> I'm back
[04:15] <sivang> hi all!
[04:16] <sivang> hi plovs!
[04:16] <sivang> hey enrico :)
[04:16] <plovs> ok, life is back to normal
[04:16] <enrico> hey everyone!
[04:16] <enrico> ChrisH: please notice the IPs :)
[04:16] <sivang> heheh
[04:16] <sivang> :)
[04:16] <ChrisH> plovs: Hey, Alex! :)
[04:16] <sivang> Hi ChrisH !
[04:16] <ChrisH> sivang: Sivan!
[04:17] <ChrisH> Now I'm the one who is misplaced, huh? :)
[04:17] <sivang> nahh :)
[04:17] <ChrisH> sivang: No terrorist attacks during the flight? :)
[04:17] <sivang> Btw, Barcelona is just nice and sound :)
[04:17] <sivang> nahh, we almost crashed landing in barceloina, but apart from that the food was very good and the hotel is very very nice.
[04:18] <ChrisH> sivang: Didn't you arrive this morning already? You're late!
[04:18] <sivang> also, I am sitting next to enrico, and already met Mako, seen lamon, martin pitt and alot more bunch of people which I don't remember the name :)
[04:18] <ChrisH> sivang: Or did it take the spanish policy that long to release the hostages?
[04:18] <ChrisH> When tomorrow there is a completely confused family walking around at 3 p.m. that's probably us. :)
[04:19] <sivang> ChrisH ; actually, coming from the ME , my bagage has been specially tagged , and the police officer asked me some question which I couldn't answer knowing no spanish :)
[04:19] <sivang> ChrisH : nothing to be confused about, it's as easy as butter :)
[04:19] <sivang> hmm
[04:20] <ChrisH> sivang: So why are you so late?
[04:20] <enrico> ChrisH: he stopped a while with some hot chica latina on the way here
[04:20] <sivang> hehe, I she just took my tickets and gave me boarding passes, that's all
[04:20] <sivang> nothing more !
[04:20] <sivang> ;-)
[04:21] <ChrisH> I'll probably get the truth once we are all drunk tomorrow. :)
[04:22] <sivang> hehe
[04:24] <sivang> plovs : where are you?
[04:28] <ChrisH> I'm going home for now... need to pack my things. See you later.
[04:29] <sivang> laters
[04:29] <enrico> ChrisH: later!
[04:31] <plovs> sivang, upstairs, i'll be down in a couple of minutes
[04:31] <sivang> no prob, just wondered were you vainshed.
[07:07] <sivang> anything already on the wiki regarding whaat we've just discussed?
[07:44] <lulu> sivang:nope! just finished long discussion!
[07:45] <sivang> lulu : Ah, sorry to have left..This BOF is about the desgin and decision of how to ease software installation for the users..
[07:45] <sivang> I was more interested about creating packages :)
[07:46] <sivang> lulu : btw, how is dinner is handled here ? :)
[07:46] <lulu> sivang:we have 13 euros a day to spend on dinner.
[07:46] <sivang> how are we organized? groups go together etc?
[07:47] <enrico> sivang: when you see people disappearing around you, start being alerted :)
[07:47] <sivang> hehe
[07:48] <lulu> sivang:we group together and go out!
[07:51] <sivang> ah great!
[07:51] <sivang> can I have freinds over?
[07:51] <sivang> (also canonical sponserd)
[08:51] <enrico> sivang: !
[09:24] <ChrisH> Is the dinner okay at the hotel? Or are you running around the ghetto? :)
[11:30] <sid77> hi


[06:38] <mup> PR snapd#11495 opened: tests/lib/tools/report-mongodb: fix typo in help text <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11495>
[06:45] <mborzecki> morning
[07:23] <mup> PR snapd#11495 closed: tests/lib/tools/report-mongodb: fix typo in help text <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by mardy> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11495>
[07:32] <mardy> hi mborzecki
[07:32] <mardy> mborzecki: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11490 is not needed anymore, is it?
[07:32] <mup> PR #11490: tests: set interfaces-cups-control test to manual <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11490>
[07:33] <mborzecki> mardy: hi, looks like it, you can ping sergio to close it
[08:07] <pstolowski> morning
[09:54] <ack> hi, I'm having a weird issue with a rpi3 with ubuntu core20. I have wifi configured and working, but if I disconnect the ethernet cable, wifi also stops working
[09:54] <ack> is this a known issue?
[09:59] <pstolowski> abeato_ ^ maybe you know?
[10:00] <abeato_> pstolowski, ack I have not seen that in the past, no idea
[10:01] <abeato_> maybe worth opening a bug
[10:01] <ack> it's 100% reproducible, if I leave a ping on both addresses, as soon as I disconnect the cable they both stop, if I reconnect they start working again after a bit
[10:01] <ack> I wonder if it's some issue with NM and the fact that the ethernet is connected to a bridge
[10:02] <ack> (configured via netplan)
[10:02] <abeato_> ack, is the NM snap installed then?
[10:02] <ack> abeato_, yes, is there a better way to get wifi configured?
[10:02] <ack> I installed the snap, created the wifi connection through nmcli
[10:03] <abeato_> ack, no, that should work
[10:04] <ack> abeato_, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9mrCqhFstf/ is what I have
[10:04] <abeato_> ack, but NM is not a must for wifi, systemd-networkd supports it too
[10:05] <ack> abeato_, what's the supported way to configure it on UC20?
[10:06] <abeato_> ack, you can distribute the netplan configuration in the gadget, with a cloud.conf file
[10:07] <abeato_> ack, or from a snap using the network-control interface
[10:07] <abeato_> ack, but NM should work indeed too
[10:08] <abeato_> what I think you could try is to maybe remove the NM snap and try with a manual netplan configuration, to check if the problem is the NM snap or elsewhere
[10:08] <abeato_> we can start to narrow down with that
[10:18] <ack> is there a way to see the combined config for netplan (for debug purposes?)
[10:20] <ack> abeato_, that's exactly what I was trying now, same result
[10:20] <abeato_> it is all the filnes in /etc/netplan/, not sure of there is a better way to visualize it
[10:21] <abeato_> ack, `netplan get all` maybe
[10:21] <ack> abeato_, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QMtkzF29WT/ is what I have
[10:22] <ack> abeato_, ah yes, thanks, which basically yields the same output
[10:23] <abeato_> ack, there is this "wifis:" in two places, not sure if that is problem
[10:23] <abeato_> ack, anyway, I would try without NM, I don't think you need it with this config
[10:23] <ack> abeato_, this is without NM
[10:24] <ack> purely netplan, and get all shows just one wifis with the correct config
[10:24] <abeato_> ack, ah, ok - do you still have the problem?
[10:24] <ack> yes, wifi works fine until I pull the cable
[10:25] <abeato_> ack, to me it sounds like some routing issue? maybe would it make sense to open a netplan bug?
[10:26] <ack> abeato_, yeah, I'll try to debug more and go from there. thanks for confirming the config itself is correct
[10:27] <abeato_> np!
[10:43] <ogra> uh, why do you use two network managing tools at the same time ?
[10:44] <ogra> i'd either ues NM or stick with netplan but not mix them up
[10:44] <ogra> *use
[10:44] <abeato_> ogra, now the NM snap has a netplan plugin, so it actually writes netplan configuration file
[10:44] <ack> ogra, I don't, I tried NM first, then removed it and only used netplan
[10:45] <ack> right, before I would still see the wifi connection in netplan, with the config generated by nm
[10:45] <ogra> abeato_, and that works when also a manual netplan config is used at the same time ?
[10:45] <abeato_> it is part of an effort for better netplan&ubuntu integration, eventually the plugin will be in classic too
[10:45] <ogra> smells like asking for trouble to me
[10:46] <abeato_> ogra, yes, well, from the point of view of NM now writing a neplan config is the same as writing manually an old (keyfile) NM-style config
[10:48] <ogra> au, so NM oly becomes a netplan UI effectively ... yeah, i get it
[10:48] <ogra> s/au/ah/
[10:50] <abeato_> sort of, yes, it is now fully integrated with netplan/netplan configuration
[10:59] <mup> PR snapd#11491 closed: interface/opengl: allow read on /proc/sys/dev/i915/perf_stream_paranoid <Simple 😃> <Created by jdstrand> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11491>
[11:39] <mup> PR snapd#11496 opened: o/devicestate: factory reset mode, no encryption <factory reset 🔌> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11496>
[12:15] <mup> PR snapd#11449 closed: cmd: set core22 migration related env vars and update spread test <Created by MiguelPires> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11449>
[13:55] <mup> PR snapd#11461 closed: cmd/snap-preseed: support for core20 preseeding <Preseeding 🍞> <Run nested> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11461>
[14:00] <mup> PR snapd#11383 closed: o/snapstate: migrate on core22 refresh and init ~/Snap <Created by MiguelPires> <Closed by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11383>
[14:10] <mup> PR snapd#11490 closed: tests: set interfaces-cups-control test to manual <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Closed by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11490>
[15:56] <mup> PR snapd#11497 opened: o/snapstate: undo migration on 'snap revert' <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11497>
[16:01] <mup> PR snapd#11498 opened: github: replace "sanity check" with "quick check" in workflow <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11498>
[16:26] <mup> PR snapd#11499 opened: woke.yaml: add config for "woke" checker <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11499>
[16:41] <mup> PR snapd#11500 opened: many: replace use of "sanity" for interface implementation checks <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11500>
[17:26] <mup> PR snapd#11501 opened: many: replace use of "sanity" with more inclusive naming in comments <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11501>
[17:37] <mup> PR snapcraft#3662 opened: tests: update spread url <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3662>
[17:37] <mup> PR snapcraft#3663 opened: tests: update spread url <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3663>
[17:51] <mup> PR snapd#11502 opened: asserts: minimal changes to disable authority-delegation before full revert <authority-delegation> <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11502>


[01:15] <beuno> jenda, :D
[07:53] <tsmithe> Lipe_, pong
[02:18] <jenda> beuno!
[02:18] <jenda> :)
[02:18] <beuno> jenda!
[02:18] <beuno> how's it going?
[02:19] <jenda> not bad :)
[02:19] <jenda> well, no - bad;)
[02:19] <jenda> I'm trying to study for the exam, but I suck at studying.
[02:19] <jenda> ergo - I barely started :D
[02:19] <jenda> Anyway... to the point. I got you a ticket.
[02:19] <jenda> (that's the good news ;))
[02:20] <beuno> heh, I'll be prepared to drink your test results away then  ;D
[02:20] <jenda> :D
[02:20] <jenda> I won't know them yet.
[02:20] <beuno> yay!  dresden return ticket?
[02:20] <jenda> (Which doesn't mean we can't drink to them)
[02:20] <jenda> yep :)
[02:20] <jenda> The neutral news is that it cost about 28
[02:20] <jenda> And... the bad news... :)
[02:21] <jenda> is that I only have a ticket from Dresden to Prague, not one from Prague to Dresden for myself ;)
[02:21] <jenda> So I'll take you to the bus here...
[02:21] <jenda> and hitchhike the next day :)
[02:21] <beuno> nice, neutral news!
[02:21] <beuno> really?  why is that?
[02:21] <jenda> And we'll have to meetup in Dresden once I get there.
[02:22] <jenda> The bus was full.
[02:22] <beuno> :/
[02:22] <jenda> I canceled the first reservation because of the doubts jul.iux had about being able to be there on that day... and when I tried to re-book it, it was gone.
[02:22] <jenda> So, we'll have to split up.
[02:22] <beuno> hmmm...  wouldn't it be better/more fun for both of us to hitchhike?
[02:23] <jenda> It could, maybe :)
[02:23] <beuno> can you get the money back from  the ticket?
[02:23] <jenda> However, it is supposed to take 2 hitchhiking guys 3 times as long to get a hitch than a single guy ;)
[02:23] <jenda> yes, but not much - the one-way ticket only costs a little bit less than the two-way
[02:24] <jenda> it would probably get you about 4 euro :)
[02:24] <beuno> jenda: I'm not in a hurry
[02:24] <jenda> neither am I, I guess :)
[02:25] <jenda> We just gotta be there by the evening.
[02:25] <jenda> Yeah, we could do that.
[02:25] <elkbuntu> jenda, you need to hope some twit doesnt make it to the bus an you can coerce your way on
[02:25] <jenda> elkbuntu: I will try that.
[02:25] <jenda> but they say it's not very common with international rides.
[02:25] <beuno> I don't mind hitchhiking and waiting around as much as waiting in some unknown place  :D
[02:25] <jenda> we'll still try :)
[02:26] <jenda> beuno: +at 3 AM ;)
[02:26] <jenda> beuno: ok, makes sense ;)
[02:26] <beuno> jenda: right, so this gets more interesting by the minute  :p
[02:26] <jenda> Then, the plan is: we drink on the 28th, but not so much we won't be able to negotiate with the bus folks ;)
[02:27] <jenda> At midnight, we check out the bus. If mentioned 'twit' exists, we take the bus to Dresden...
[02:27] <beuno> jenda: right, or enough not to mind riding with cows  :D
[02:27] <jenda> ...and find a comfortable park bench to spend the rest of the night on ;)
[02:27] <jenda> :D
[02:27] <jenda> This'll be fun :)
[02:27] <beuno> jenda: yes it will!
[02:27] <jenda> I don't think the German police will like one Czech and one Argentinian on their park benches, but meh :)
[02:28] <jenda> And if no such twit exists...
[02:28] <jenda> ...we go back to drinking...
[02:28] <beuno> jenda: works for me too  ;)
[02:28] <jenda> ...but not so much that we look like **** in the morning...
[02:28] <jenda> ...and in the morning, we dress up as well as we can, and go take a hitch :)
[02:29] <beuno> sounds like a... err... mockup of a plan  :D
[02:29] <jenda> :D
[02:29] <jenda> or a **ckup.
[02:30] <jenda> beuno: when do you leave Prague?
[02:31] <beuno> jenda: when I but the ticket to madrid
[02:31] <jenda> whehe
[02:31] <jenda> marvelous freedom :)
[02:31] <jenda> you can pretty much stay as long as you like here.
[02:31] <beuno> jenda: it was the main attraction of this trip
[02:32] <jenda> beuno: the ticket to Madrid? ;)
[02:32] <beuno> jenda: great!  I want a few days to get to know prague by day and by night, so I don't think I'll bug you too long!
[02:33] <jenda> I'll show you around ;)
[02:33] <jenda> On our way to Dresden, we won't really have anything with us, as we're not even staying the night... we'll have a backpack full of beer for the Dresden guys... and ourselves :)
[02:33] <beuno> jenda: yeah, I'm going straight to madrid instead of barcelona, and then from Madrid go to barcelona and yadayada
[02:33] <jenda> We can also take sandwiches, because Germany is about 5 times as expensive as the CR ;)
[02:33] <jenda> cool :)
[02:34] <jenda> On our way back, we need to transport 9 big books, 3 small books and about 11 shirts.
[02:34] <jenda> oh, and I'll be taking stickers with me.
[02:35] <jenda> By the way - new stickers available :)
[02:35] <beuno> jenda: cool, cool, I'll get my ticket London > Prague now then
[02:35] <jenda> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2891790
[02:35] <jenda> :)
[02:35] <jenda> beuno: sweet :)
[02:35] <jenda> tell me when you arrive.
[02:36] <jenda> It'll be par avion?
[02:36] <beuno> jenda: I'll have to look at what's cheaper
[02:36] <jenda> cool
[02:37] <jenda> I'll pick you up on the station/airport if you come at any time after 18:00, June 27
[02:37] <jenda> Which is when my exam ends.
[02:37] <beuno> jenda: I'll make sure I get there after 18hs
[02:37] <jenda> The time between that and picking you up I'll spend celebrating with the classmatzorz ;)
[02:37] <jenda> coolio
[02:38] <beuno> hahaha
[02:38] <beuno> you really squeeze everything you can out of every minute, don't you?
[02:40] <mrevell> beuno: ping
[02:41] <beuno> mrevell: pong
[02:41] <jenda> beuno: of course ;)
[02:41] <mrevell> beuno: I've added a Launchpad story to UWN. You the person to tell these days?
[02:41] <beuno> although I'm about to go and see mako give a talk on derivatives, I might not have wifi, it's been misbehaving
[02:42] <mrevell> yo jenda
[02:42] <jenda> mrevell: BTW, very good feedback from the loco on recent LP-translations changes :)
[02:42] <jenda> mrevell: although there's no pleasing some people ^.^
[02:42] <mrevell> jenda: Excellent! Are there any emails I can take a look at?
[02:42] <jenda> not really :)
[02:42] <beuno> mrevell: yeap, cool, thanks  :D
[02:43] <jenda> It's just my overall impression from the meeting we had recently :)
[02:43] <mrevell> Have you guys met Kat, who's recently joined Canonical?
[02:48] <jenda> mrevell: he showed up in the channel a few times.
[02:48] <jenda> or... she?
[02:48] <jenda> :)
[02:48] <mrevell> jenda: Kat's a she :)
[02:48] <jenda> hehe
[02:48] <jenda> ok
[02:49] <mrevell> jenda: She's on holiday for a couple of days. I'll introduce her properly when she gets bacl
[02:49] <mrevell> s/bacl/back
[02:49] <jenda> cool :) thankee
[02:49] <beuno> ok, going up, I think I'll be back in 5 minutes  :D
[02:51] <juliux> hi all, has anybody an idea what the offical writing for ubucon ist? it is Ubucon? UBUcon? ubucon?
[02:51] <Vorian> !ubucon
[02:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubucon - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:51] <Vorian> well, that sucks
[02:51] <Vorian> there is something on the wiki juliux
[02:51] <juliux> i would write it ubucon like the ubuntu name
[02:52] <juliux> ahh on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity/RunningAnUbucon?highlight=%28ubucon%29 it is Ubucon
[02:55] <jenda> juliux: the name of Ubuntu is capitalised :)
[02:55] <jenda> should be Ubucon, too.
[02:55] <jenda> or is it... come to think of it, in the logo, it ain't....
[02:55] <jenda> oh well, I should be studying. /me runs off from computer.
[02:58] <beuno> weeeee, wireless works here
[03:02] <beuno> if anyone is bored, the talk on debian derivatives is being streamed at:   http://streams.video.debconf.org:8000/   (upper talk room)
[03:10] <juliux> jenda, on the logo it is ubuntu;)
[05:38] <MitchM> hey jenda
[05:48] <jenda> mrevell: yo!
[05:48] <jenda> erm
[05:48] <jenda> MitchM: :)
[05:49] <mrevell> jenda: phone, brb
[05:49] <jenda> sorry, mrevell
[05:49] <MitchM> heyo jenda; how's everything going?
[05:49] <jenda> (just a mis-completion by my tab key)
[05:49] <jenda> MitchM: not too bad :)
[05:49] <MitchM> diy going good?
[05:49] <jenda> MitchM: haven't been able to give it much love lately.
[05:49] <MitchM> ah.
[05:49] <MitchM> no love :(
[05:49] <jenda> MitchM: but I will soon be back on track!
[05:49] <jenda> :)
[05:49] <jenda> Last exam next wednesday
[05:50] <jenda> and then just some work to do.
[05:50] <MitchM> nice!
[05:50] <MitchM> :)
[05:50] <MitchM> everything else going good?
[05:50] <MitchM> any problems with the server?
[05:50] <jenda> Not that I know of :)
[05:50] <jenda> meatballhat: ping
[05:50] <jenda> he might know more than I right now...
[05:50] <meatballhat> jenda: pong
[05:50] <meatballhat> :)
[05:51] <MitchM> :)
[05:51] <jenda> meatballhat: here's our server man :)
[05:51] <meatballhat> MitchM: only that we were trying to get the MySQL credentials ;-)
[05:51] <jenda> meatballhat: BTW, why do we still have a placeholder on the site? :) We should at least put the old version up, or link to the wiki... or something :)
[05:51] <meatballhat> MitchM: I'm guessing our emails died somewhere :(
[05:52] <MitchM> meatballhat, har har -- shoot me an email with anything you need (mitch -at- kci.net)
[05:52] <MitchM> hmm.
[05:52] <MitchM> probably.
[05:52] <meatballhat> jenda: you don't like it?  :)
[05:52] <meatballhat> MitchM: will do
[05:52] <jenda> meatballhat: the 'hold please'? :)
[05:52] <MitchM> hah. yeah; that is kind of 'weak sauce' :P
[05:52] <MitchM> you guys run on the same server as ubuntucounter.org
[05:52] <jenda> meatballhat: weeelll, since we have links to the site all over, I don't think it looks too good - for all they know, we might not be working on the site at all! (cough, cough)
[05:53] <meatballhat> :D  yesh, 'tis weak
[05:53] <MitchM> speaking of which; i lost my password...
[05:53] <MitchM> :(
[05:53] <MitchM> (for ucouner)
[05:53] <MitchM> counter*
[05:56] <jenda> yikes
[05:57] <elkbuntu> MitchM, ... you lost what?
[05:58] <MitchM> my password to ubuntucounter.org (and my number_
[05:58] <MitchM> )
[05:58] <elkbuntu> as in the root password to the server or the one you sent me?
[05:58] <MitchM> the one for my user
[05:58] <elkbuntu> ah... whoops
[05:58] <MitchM> ubuntu user #----
[05:58] <MitchM> :)
[05:59] <elkbuntu> hmm... i'll see if i can find you
[05:59] <MitchM> awesome - thanks :)
[06:06] <elkbuntu> MitchM, details heading to you in email
[06:06] <MitchM> awesome ! thanks elkbuntu :)
[06:07] <MitchM> Hows everything going for you?
[06:07] <beuno> MitchM: hello  :D
[06:07] <MitchM> hey beuno :)
[06:07] <beuno> I hear you have spare servers you want to give away  :p
[06:07] <elkbuntu> busy but no $ for most of it
[06:07] <elkbuntu> lol
[06:07] <MitchM> lol
[06:08] <MitchM> yes. Just handing out free servers.
[06:08] <MitchM> :)
[06:08] <MitchM> did you need hosting beuno ?
[06:08] <beuno> I'm having some problems keeping up with the http://ubuntustats.com/ load
[06:08] <MitchM> sure - i'll give you a login to the server if you think it'll have what you need.
[06:08] <MitchM> server load is minimal at the moment
[06:09] <beuno> it did relativiely well when it got dugg, but I don't think I can keep it on my server as it grows
[06:09] <MitchM> *nods*
[06:09] <MitchM> have statistics i can look at?
[06:09] <beuno> MitchM: that would rock!
[06:09] <MitchM> ok let me set you up real quick
[06:09] <beuno> MitchM: I should, but I don't yet
[06:10] <MitchM> k'
[06:10] <MitchM> beuno for ur un?
[06:10] <beuno> I might move the data gathering part to your server, and keep the frontend on mine, that would distribute the load
[06:10] <MitchM> that'd be good.
[06:11] <beuno> the only wierd thing I need is PyXML installed, the rest is pretty standard
[06:11] <MitchM> what does that entail?
[06:11] <MitchM> k
[06:11] <MitchM> what version?
[06:11] <beuno> I've got 0.8.4 right now
[06:11] <MitchM> in repos?
[06:12] <elkbuntu> wow... /me checks the ucounter stats again after a long time of not doing so...
[06:12] <elkbuntu> http://ubuntucounter.org/awstats/awstats.pl
[06:12] <beuno> I downloaded and installed it since my servers run RH
[06:13] <MitchM> wow.
[06:13] <beuno> elkbuntu: that's a pretty amazing stat
[06:13] <elkbuntu> yeah, i knwo, but that is worth it :
[06:13] <MitchM> (im surprised someone hasn't complained yet)
[06:13] <MitchM> lol
[06:13] <elkbuntu> Unique visitors: 930531
[06:13] <MitchM> I'm sure they'll stick it to me one of these days.
[06:14] <MitchM> mostly forum posts with your image?
[06:14] <elkbuntu> and blogs
[06:14] <MitchM> *nods* ;)
[06:14] <elkbuntu> i see the images on lots of blogs
[06:14] <elkbuntu> get a pang of pride each and every darn time ;)
[06:15] <MitchM> lol
[06:15] <MitchM> :D
[06:15] <MitchM> beuno, <IP_ADDRESS> // username: beuno
[06:15] <beuno> elkbuntu: can you think of any way to integrate that into ubuntustats?   as in more then just showing the number
[06:16] <elkbuntu> beuno, not really. i dont know how ubuntustats works for a start
[06:17] <beuno> elkbuntu: the actual code is freely available on LP for starters, but the main idea is I gather information from *everywhere* I can, put them into a database, and show it in as many ways as possible
[06:17] <beuno> right now it's just an ajax useless but nice interface, but the idea is to show short and long term stats
[06:18] <elkbuntu> beuno, i dont really have the time to sniff someone's code to figure something out, especially since i dont know any ajax yet... but i suspect an rss feed would probably cause a fair bit of drain on the counter site
[06:18] <elkbuntu> and i suck at rss feeds anyway
[06:19] <beuno> elkbuntu: I don't want to impose any work on you, just thought that we could add a feed for new users so I can add a column with "new registered ubuntu users" or something like that
[06:19] <beuno> I don't mind doing work myself, either on my side or yours
[06:21] <elkbuntu> i'll see if i can figure how to make an expanded rss feed, although it'll probably be messy since i suck at rss. email me a list of which fields you want, and please do not say 'all of them' as it would kill mitch's server with all the db calls
[06:22] <beuno> elkbuntu: will do, I basically just need one that would just require a query every 20-30 minutes at the most, which would return the latest new members, doesn't matter if it's RSS, email, whatever
[06:23] <beuno> if it's easier, you can just hook in so an email gets sent out when I user subscribes, and I'l do the rest
[06:23] <beuno> I parse a lot of emails for bugs, answers, commits, etc
[06:24] <elkbuntu> i'll have a look. i'm cautious about touching the code while it is in production, but it should be doable
[06:25] <beuno> elkbuntu: no real hurry, just thought it would be a neat feature
[06:38] <elkbuntu> hmm... i might head to bed. g'nite
[06:41] <beuno> night elkbuntu
[10:11] <beuno> tsmithe: hey-ho
[10:12] <tsmithe> yoyo
[10:12] <beuno> tsmithe: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-marketing/ubuntu-stats/devel
[10:12] <beuno> as promised
[10:13] <tsmithe> excellent :D
[10:13] <Burgundavia> http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2007/06/22/tech-microsoft-linux.html
[10:40] <leftcase> Burgundavia, It can only be good news for Ubuntu
[10:41] <Burgundavia> it being reported in mainstream news orgs is big news
[10:46] <tsmithe> i have a theory that canonical is doing more than i can publicly see for behind-the-scenes marketing
[10:48] <Burgundavia> tsmithe: they are certain fielding a lot of press calls
[10:59] <tsmithe> cool
[10:59] <leftcase> I wonder what happened regarding the ubuntu-marketing manager who replied on list to the observation that dell won't sell ubuntu to business punters?
[11:03] <Burgundavia> no idea
[11:50] <orion2012> If I was seeking to publish important announcements regarding the Ubuntu Media Center project, would The Fridge or UWN be more appropriate?
[11:50] <Burgundavia> orion2012: either
[11:50] <orion2012> Burgundavia: Thanks.


[00:00] <ubotu> New bug: #174442 in ubuntu "unable to switch virtual console (dup-of: 131751)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174442
[00:13] <tjaalton> ok, we are now down to 311 xorg bugs
[00:13] <tjaalton> over 100 less than yesterday
[00:19] <tjaalton> now to bed ->
[00:22] <bryce> yay!
[01:40] <ubotu> New bug: #174571 in xorg-server (main) "Xorg crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174571
[04:49] <ubotu> New bug: #120105 in xorg (main) "Driver card video is not saved" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120105
[11:41] <ubotu> New bug: #174632 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (restricted) "[gutsy] Geforce 7600 GS driver does not work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174632
[13:16] <ubotu> New bug: #174650 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "xorg very slow when rotated on external monitor" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174650
[15:42] <jcristau> tjaalton: you can use things like git-commit --author 'Michael Vogt<EMAIL_ADDRESS>btw
[15:49] <tjaalton> jcristau: cool, haven't got that far learning git :)
[15:50] <jcristau> anyway, i've cherry-picked tormod's fix to debian-unstable
[15:55] <tjaalton> cool, thanks
[16:05] <tjaalton> btw, I'll test the input-hotplug autoconfiguration this evening (when the kids are asleep..), it's pretty simple if it works :)
[17:34] <tedg> On the Intel drivers page it says that the 945G won't work with the current released drivers of Debian (no date).
[17:34] <tedg> How does that relate to Ubuntu Gutsy?
[17:35] <tedg> Oh, but in the stable version of Gentoo.
[17:35] <tedg> I like how there's no version numbers.
[17:36] <tjaalton> 945 works fine :)
[17:36] <tedg> Errr, mine isn't. :(
[17:36] <tjaalton> really?
[17:37] <tedg> Well, it seems to be falling back to vesa.
[17:37] <tjaalton> you have intel and not i810 in use?
[17:37] <tedg> Yeah.  It seems to be running, but won't work with my screen.
[17:38] <tedg> It drops back to 1600x1200 instead of 1920x1200.
[17:38] <tedg> How can I hard code the VRAM amount?
[17:38] <tedg> If it's shared, do I need a kernel setting?
[17:38] <tjaalton> no
[17:39] <tjaalton> the log should reveal how much it's using
[17:39] <tjaalton> besides, are you sure that 945 is able to drive WUXGA screens?-)
[17:45] <tedg> It does in OSX.
[17:46] <tedg> Ah, it says that it has 16MB when it should be 64MB.
[17:46] <tjaalton> change that from bios
[17:46] <tedg> Eww, at it's going to 16bpp.
[17:49] <tedg> Do you by chance know how to do that in EFI?
[17:49] <tedg> It seems like if it was a BIOS setting it wouldn't work in OSX either.
[17:49] <tjaalton> ah, mac goodness...
[17:49] <tjaalton> Option "AperTexSize" "integer"
[17:49] <tjaalton> hmm, no
[17:50] <tjaalton> since default is 32MB
[17:52] <tjaalton> put the log somewhere so I can have a look
[17:52] <tedg> Sure, let me get out of EFI, just a sec.
[17:55] <tedg> hmph, worked on reboot.
[17:56] <tedg> Apparently I just hadn't rebooted enough :)
[17:56] <tedg> tjaalton: Thanks for your help.
[17:58] <tjaalton> hah :)
[20:26] <ubotu> New bug: #174745 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "xorg lockup when screen is rotated" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174745
[21:17] <ubotu> New bug: #174434 in xserver-xorg-driver-vesa (main) "ATI drivers" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174434
[21:23] <tjaalton> right, hal runtime-hotplugging would work, if I knew how to delay the operations until hal is actually ready :)
[22:23] <tormod> bryce, there's "bug report" in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2007-December/002571.html
[22:24] <bryce> yup, we know about that
[22:26] <tormod> good


[00:02] <s-fox> Anywho, time for me to go. Stuff to do.
[00:02] <s-fox> See you balloons
[00:03] <balloons> see you s-fox
[06:45] <dholbach> good morning
[06:47] <forestpiskie> dholbach: good morning - I hope the sun is still shining for you :)
[06:47] <dholbach> hi forestpiskie
[06:48] <dholbach> forestpiskie, it's still clear over here, but we're supposed to have thunderstorms today - let's see :)
[06:48] <dholbach> how are you doing?
[06:48] <forestpiskie> I'm fine but the weather is dank and dismal ...
[06:49] <dholbach> I'll put on some good music and forget about the weather :)
[06:50] <forestpiskie> I will when I get back from work :)
[06:50] <jono> morning dholbach
[06:50] <forestpiskie> forget all about the day and wait for little one to return from school
[06:50] <forestpiskie> morning jono
[06:50] <dholbach> might also be a good idea to take the dog for a walk before it starts raining :)
[06:50] <jono> hey forestpiskie
[06:50] <dholbach> hey jono
[06:50] <dholbach> how are you doing?
[06:51] <dholbach> jono, ah, while you're here - do you know what's being planned for the last night of UDS? (trying to figure out if I should bring my stuff or not)
[06:51] <jono> dholbach, as far as I am aware it is just a live band that we hired
[06:52] <jono> dholbach, not sure though, you should check with Michelle
[06:52] <dholbach> ok, will do
[08:20] <s-fox> Hi
[08:20] <czajkowski> morning
[08:20] <s-fox> And a wet one at that czajkowski ;) How are you?
[08:20] <czajkowski> not bad thanks
[08:20] <czajkowski> yourself?
[08:20] <s-fox> So so, just going through my inbox trying to decide what is important and what is not.
[08:21] <s-fox> Have you had a good week so far? It has dragged here.
[08:21] <czajkowski> It's been pretty busy, I moved house at the weekend so trying to unpack, get ready for uds workwise and now my back is acting up
[08:21] <czajkowski> s-fox: hear about the job ?
[08:24] <s-fox> czajkowski,  yes, i was offered the job. I spoke with some of the foreign language teachers at the school and they strongly advised I stay away as their experience had been very poor. They are seeing out their contracts and are not interested in renewing it.
[08:25] <s-fox> Consequently I turned the offer down and am continuing looking for a new position.
[08:25] <czajkowski> nods
[08:25] <czajkowski> shame
[08:26] <s-fox> Well, it is better I find out about the issues before I sign the contract.
[08:27] <czajkowski> yes this  is true, but you might have gotten on differently. best of luck job hunting
[08:28] <s-fox> Perhaps so. Thank you for the wishes.
[08:28] <s-fox> Sorry to hear about your back
[08:28] <s-fox> Did the move go okay? You mentioned it last week(?) i think
[08:30] <czajkowski> yup all set up in the new place
[08:30] <czajkowski> still in London
[08:31] <s-fox> What is it like living in London? I don't do large cities. LOL
[08:31] <czajkowski> it's great I love it
[08:32] <czajkowski> it's different every 4-5 miles
[08:32] <czajkowski> I don't feel like a tourist living here and it's not that large.
[08:32] <czajkowski> well it is, it just doesn't feel it tbh
[08:32] <czajkowski> I lived in Dublin for years, ad that feels like being a tourist
[08:34] <s-fox> Ahh, I see. :)
[08:34] <s-fox> I live out in the sticks czajkowski, haha. http://i.imgur.com/ha1lX.jpg
[08:34] <s-fox> Nice and quiet
[08:35] <czajkowski> wel there is a massive park beside me that has boating and music stand and games
[08:35] <czajkowski> back in .Ie I live in the countryside
[08:37] <s-fox> Oh that isn't so bad then :-) No greenery would drive me insane.
[12:13] <jo-erlend> «Ubuntu can collect anonymous information that helps developers improve it. All information collected is covered by our privacy policy» <-- That's from the Privacy dialog in System Settings. That's not done by default, is it? And nothing is sent if I don't give my permission? I wish it was a little more explicit.
[12:19] <dholbach> no, it's not default - only if you  [x]  it
[12:19] <dholbach> it's for http://popcon.ubuntu.com/ ... if you are talking about the software properties dialog
[12:20] <dholbach> popcon sends anonymous data which can be quite useful to developers, ie: package X is outdated and nobody maintains it and has many bugs - can it be removed or do many still have it installed, etc.
[12:38] <jo-erlend> dholbach, I'm talking about System Settings > Privacy > Diagnostics.
[12:40] <jo-erlend> it's not clear to me what it's actually about.
[12:57] <akgraner> jcastro - so I am looking at the release schedule and  adding notes to my calendar  - did the Community team (read that as balloons in this case) what to focus on community testing one of the weeks between Alpha 2 and 3 as well as the week Between Beta 1 and 2 or the weeks between Beta 2 and Final release?
[12:57] <akgraner> If so I'll add those in as well.
[13:18] <AlanBell> jcastro: o/ what is this? http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20397/community-q-irc-workshops/
[13:26] <dholbach> jo-erlend, the link on that dialog leads to http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/privacypolicy?crashdb - so I assume it is about sending information about program crashes
[13:56] <nigelb> dholbach: All set for your session? :)
[13:56] <dholbach> nigelb, I just made a pot of tea, so yes :)
[13:57] <nigelb> \o/
[13:59] <dholbach> nigelb, can you +v me?
[14:00] <nigelb> dholbach: oops, the bot should have +v'd you
[14:01] <nigelb> heh, ok, you op'd yourself.
[14:28] <alourie> hello
[14:29] <s-fox> Hello alourie
[14:30] <alourie> hi s-fox
[14:30] <s-fox> How are you?
[14:30] <alourie> good actually :-)
[14:30] <alourie> how are you?
[14:30] <s-fox> Good show
[14:30] <alourie> show?
[14:30] <s-fox> I mean, good :)
[14:30] <alourie> right :-)
[14:31] <s-fox> I am basking in the glory of having spent 3 hours writing some javascript
[14:31] <s-fox> And thinking how simple it actually is ;)
[14:31] <alourie> ah
[14:31] <s-fox> alourie,  http://paste.ubuntu.com/964750/
[14:32] <alourie> isn't it wonderful to be able to appreciate the code as if it was a poem? :-)
[14:33] <alourie> it happens to me lately more often
[14:33] <s-fox> I haven't thought about it that much to be honest. I suppose you can appreciate good code
[14:33] <s-fox> =)
[14:34] <alourie> s-fox: can't you?
[14:34] <s-fox> alourie,  I think it depends if I have enjoyed writing it or not. Sometimes a problem can give me big headaches
[14:34] <s-fox> =)
[14:34] <alourie> yes, true
[14:34] <s-fox> But othertimes when you get it right first time and you think "wow, this is awesome"
[14:35] <alourie> but I often enjoy the fact that I'd solved the problem eventually, if it resulted in beautiful code
[14:35] <alourie> even if it took a long time
[14:35] <s-fox> Would you be happy if you solved a problem, but the solution was ugly and hacky?
[14:36] <alourie> pragmatically happy - maybe
[14:36] <alourie> just that it is solved
[14:36] <alourie> but not "happy" happy :-)
[14:36] <s-fox> Maybe you could take it as inspiration and improve it ?
[14:36] <alourie> of course
[14:36] <alourie> that's what takes the most of time in my coding mostly
[14:36] <alourie> beautifying working stuff
[14:36] <alourie> simplifying
[14:38] <s-fox> Code that can only be maintained by yourself is not good, simplifying code and documenting is very important
[14:38] <alourie> exactly
[16:03] <greg-g> dholbach: hey, I'm going to send you another email to translate for the Ubuntu Austria team, ok? :)
[16:03] <dholbach> greg-g, sure
[16:03] <czajkowski> dholbach: thank you
[16:03] <greg-g> yes, thanks much, dholbach
[16:04] <s-fox> Goodbye.
[16:04] <paultag> alles gute :)
[16:04] <nigelb> paultag!
[16:04] <paultag> nigelb!
[16:04] <nigelb> paultag: How
[16:04] <nigelb> How've you been?
[16:04] <nigelb> … apparently I can't type :P
[16:05] <paultag> nigelb: not bad, not bad. Living the dream, you know. Work's awesome. Debian's been treating me great, finished the T&S, I think (which means now I just have to wait ;))
[16:05] <paultag> nigelb: straight chilln'. How've you been?
[16:06] <nigelb> paultag: Nice nice! DD soon?  I'm good.  Long hours at work.  Waiting for some bureaucracy to get done, the usual :)
[16:06] <paultag> nigelb: yeah, I hope so :) that's the last part of the quizzing, if you will. How's mozilla-stuff?
[16:07] <nigelb> paultag: Nice.  Mozilla stuff is going well. So far so good.
[16:21] <czajkowski> dholbach: where is the link to all your music again I need to spread the love to the LP Team and educate them on music
[16:22] <dholbach> czajkowski, if you mean mixtapes, then http://www.mixcloud.com/dholbach/ :)
[17:25] <pleia2> czajkowski: I'm going to send out an email about "community events" at UDS in a bit, anything you need to add to the photo walk event before I send out the link?
[17:26] <czajkowski> pleia2: not heard back from gmb
[17:26] <czajkowski> just that it's happening and harass him or me on irc
[17:26] <czajkowski> and sign up on the wiki if interested
[17:26] <czajkowski> pleia2: thanks
[17:26] <pleia2> ok, thanks :)
[17:26] <czajkowski> harass/poke/ask
[17:26] <czajkowski> you know :)
[17:26] <pleia2> hehe
[17:54] <czajkowski> jcastro: mhall119 can one of you please schedule http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20662/community-council-code-of-conduct-review/
[17:54] <jcastro> mhall119: can you handle schedule requests for a bit? I am firefighting
[17:54] <czajkowski> thanks
[17:55] <czajkowski> sorry didnt know which to ping
[18:00] <mhall119> jcastro: sure
[18:00] <jcastro> you ping the track lead usually
[18:00] <jcastro> but in community case he would ping us so you did the right thing by skipping him. :)
[18:02] <mhall119> czajkowski: scheduled
[18:02] <czajkowski> cheers
[18:02] <dholbach> alright - see you tomorrow my friends
[18:19] <cjohnston> czajkowski: it would have scheduled automaticaly too
[18:35] <AlanBell> jcastro: o/
[21:14]  * greg-g is enjoying this mix from dholbach http://www.mixcloud.com/dholbach/live-set-with-mc-massiv-la-gaza-trickster-2012-03-24/
[21:15]  * greg-g is a little late, yes
[22:52] <bkerensa> jono: can I bring some Moz swag to UDS?
[22:52] <bkerensa> :D
[22:54] <pleia2> someone brought thunderbird stickers last time
[22:54] <bkerensa> pleia2: ahh ok well I will bring a few bags of lanyards, stickers and silicone bracelets then
[22:54] <bkerensa> :D
[22:58] <MrChrisDruif> bkerensa; ghehe
[23:00] <bkerensa> pleia2: I also have some Creative Common swag too
[23:00] <greg-g> +s
[23:15] <popey> one UDS didnt we have bracelets
[23:15] <popey> ubuntu ones
[23:15] <popey> like you get at concerts / festivals
[23:16] <pleia2> the plastic ones?
[23:16] <MrChrisDruif> Ugh, not those horrid plastic ones!
[23:17] <popey> no, they were material
[23:17] <popey> with a plastic thing to tighten it
[23:17] <mhall119> popey: that was UDS-N, the wrist bands were from the Florida LoCo Team, thanks to itnet7
[23:18] <popey> ahhh
[23:18] <mhall119> oh, wait, you're talking something different I think
[23:18] <mhall119> ours were the orange plastic/rubber ones
[23:18] <popey> these had a green plastic thing
[23:18] <MrChrisDruif> I'd like one that is similar to those livestrong bracelets, but then orange and with ubuntu on them
[23:18] <popey> yeah, they weren't rubber
[23:18] <mhall119> MrChrisDruif: that's what ours were
[23:18] <MrChrisDruif> Nice!
[23:19] <mhall119> MrChrisDruif: itnet7 might still have some
[23:19]  * MrChrisDruif isn't going to this UDS (again)
[23:22] <MrChrisDruif> And I should be going to bed
[23:22] <MrChrisDruif> Sleep well everyone
[23:22] <MrChrisDruif> Date and time in the Netherlands: Fri May  4 01:22:42


[01:30] <lordcirth> Are there alternate download mirrors for MAAS boot images?  I'm only getting 50 kB/s from the default source.
[01:36] <bigjools> no, they are the only ones
[09:32] <rvba> bigjools: Up for a review? https://code.launchpad.net/~rvb/maas/rework-new-lifecycle-migration/+merge/234490
[10:21] <rvba> jtv: Could you please have a look?  It doesn't seem that Julian had time to look at it.
[10:22] <jtv> Can do.
[10:28] <jtv> rvba: done
[10:35] <rvba> jtv: thanks for the review
[10:35] <jtv> np
[10:51] <jtv> rvba: landing failed... I'd just remove that encoding line from the migration.
[10:58] <rvba> jtv: It's the usual "There are additional revisions which have not been approved in review. Please seek review and approval of these new revisions."
[10:59] <jtv> Yes.
[10:59] <jtv> Nowadays we need to wait for the branch scanner to catch up, apparently.
[11:18] <jtv> rvba: was that your branch that just failed in the manual Jenkins run?  Timeout.  :(
[12:19] <rvba> jtv: the one that failed is the branch with the addition of the NUCs.
[12:42] <jtv> rvba: I see.  My branch seems to be doing pretty well in Jenkins.
[12:42] <jtv> By the way, if you have time, would love a review!
[12:43] <rvba> jtv: one branch reviewed…
[12:50] <jtv> Thanks!
[21:41] <dpb1> Is there a way to add dummy entries to maas?
[21:42] <dpb1> I guess vms are the closest thing?
[21:52] <rljohnsn_web> hello, can maas provide baremetal non ubuntu distributions ?
[23:49] <bigjools> rljohnsn_web: there's experimental support for that
[23:49] <bigjools> dpb1: what do you mean by dummy? Test nodes?  If so then yes, VMs.


 shortly windowmocker will be the last rdepends of python-qt4
 I have filed bug 1862344, jibel promised to have a look next week
 That will help us to get rid of python-qt4 (but not python3-pyqt4 yet)
 😢
 But then windowmocker has both Qt4 and Qt5 backends. The former can probably be dropped.
 Oh, and I have with agreement from UbuntuStudio uploaded the Qt5 beta of hydrogen
 Great!
 So there will soon be no Qt4 seeded on any ISO


[02:41] <MacMon> hello
[05:08] <bluefoxicy> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/32072
[05:09] <bluefoxicy> It keeps fucking up like that from time to time.  no, I don't have extra info.
[11:01] <ubijtsa> moin moin
[11:02] <ubijtsa> Keybuk: I have just raised a defect on Dapper Flight4 - #32097, you may want to take a quick look when you have time..
[11:04] <Keybuk> ubijtsa: you're probably booting the wrong kernel
[11:04] <ubijtsa> Keybuk: Hmm..
[11:05] <ubijtsa> Keybuk: there is only one kernel image + initrd in 'install/netboot/ubuntu-installer/i386/' on the CD
[11:06] <Keybuk> *shrug* not my area of expertise I'm afraid
[11:06] <ubijtsa> Keybuk: oh, sorry to have bothered you then :)
[01:17] <purpleidea> is it fair game to ask questions about how to get an smp kernel working on a new duo core problem, or should i leave those questions to a different forum?
[01:25] <mjg59> purpleidea: What doesn't work?
[01:27] <purpleidea> seems a lot of people are having a problem with this laptop, just came out, inspiron 9400; originally would freeze just before gdm loads, but after x was loaded, now doesn't even boot too far past grub (since an upgrade)
[01:28] <purpleidea> i have more comprehensive details if you want.
[01:29] <purpleidea> or if this isn't the place, please tell me where i can figure it out, i've been looking everywhere, and a lot of people have similar problems, as per hardware wiki, etc.
[01:35] <mjg59> Well, it certainly sounds like a bug
[01:35] <mjg59> What are you trying to boot?
[01:35] <purpleidea> absolutely. especially since the smp kernel "just works" right after install in fedora4
[01:42] <mjg59> Is this Breezy or Dapper?
[01:43] <purpleidea> originally breezy did the up until gdm thing, and dapper now is the stops right after grub. it says: can't find /dev/sda5 although it's there and the non smp boots
[01:44] <mjg59> Hmm. We don't ship non-SMP kernels, do we?
[01:44] <mjg59> Or do you mean booting with nosmp?
[01:44] <purpleidea> nope, you seem to ship non smp, because it installed as the default, before the internet was even up
[01:45] <Mithrandir> that changes in dapper
[01:45] <purpleidea> i had to get the smp one with synaptic, which isn't working :(
[01:45] <Mithrandir> dapper doesn't have non-smp kernels
[01:45] <mjg59> We ship smp kernels only now
[01:45] <mjg59> Then they get rewritten into non-smp ones on single processor systems
[01:46] <purpleidea> well that's good then. from what i understand intel will eventually mostly stop making single core anyways... esp. since a quad is expected. in any case..
[01:46] <mjg59> So does a dapper install CD boot?
[01:48] <purpleidea> i installed originally off of a breezy cd, and upgraded breezy through synaptic from a dapper f3 cd. i haven't actually run the installer if thats what you're asking
[01:48] <purpleidea> presently downloading flight4 in the odd chance anything will work better.
[01:48] <mjg59> Ok
[02:22] <fabbione> BenC: ping?
[02:22] <BenC> fabbione: pong
[02:22] <fabbione> hey dude
[02:22] <BenC> what's up?
[02:22] <fabbione> BenC: do you plan a 17.23 soon?
[02:22] <fabbione> or 16.23 and later 17.24?
[02:22] <BenC> 16.23 today
[02:22] <fabbione> ok
[02:22] <BenC> .24 in a few days
[02:23] <fabbione> i am building .22 right now if you want to wait for the abi files
[02:23] <fabbione> up to you
[02:23] <BenC> for sparc?
[02:23] <fabbione> yes
[02:23] <BenC> ok, I can do that
[02:23] <fabbione> *AFTER* .23 please pull from my branch on people
[02:49] <zul> heylo
[02:51] <chmj> dir
[02:51] <chmj> dir
[02:51] <chmj> dir
[02:51] <chmj> oops, sorry
[02:52] <zul> i think you meant to say ls
[02:53] <chmj> something like that, on a diff console too
[06:22] <Mithrandir> BenC: what's the reason for kprobes not being enabled?
[06:23] <BenC> what is it?
[06:23] <Mithrandir> http://www.redhat.com/magazine/005mar05/features/kprobes/ has some info on it
[06:23] <Mithrandir> seems useful for doing instrumentation.
[06:57] <cjb> Mithrandir: Overhead?
[07:04] <BenC> Mithrandir: interesting, but is it useful to users?
[07:28] <fabbione> BenC: are you aware of any problem with tg3 driver on 4xGE broadcom cards on SUN v210 ?
[07:28] <fabbione> BenC: with .12 it seems broken
[07:28] <fabbione> testing .15 now
[07:28] <BenC> not that I know of
[07:29] <zul> wohoo...next week nine inch nails concert..
[07:29] <fabbione> BenC: could you be so kind to do a fast search for me?
[07:29] <fabbione> while i keep going with .15?
[07:32] <BenC> only thing I see is a problem with Debian when they removed the tg3 firmware
[07:32] <fabbione> we do have the firware
[07:34] <BenC> right, which should mean that there is no problem :)
[07:35] <BenC> there are some workarounds for sun in tg3
[07:35] <fabbione> such as?
[07:35] <BenC> maybe look at enabling disabling for this particular hardware
[07:35] <BenC> whether or not to call into eeprom
[07:36] <BenC> is the device coming up, but just not transfering packets, or is there some failure message?
[07:36] <fabbione> it comes up
[07:36] <fabbione> i can netboot
[07:36] <fabbione> so there is network wirewise
[07:36] <fabbione> i can't get packets in/out after i do ifup the iface
[07:36] <BenC> the ordering of the devices in linux may not be the same as with OBP, so make sure you are using the right one
[07:37] <fabbione> we did try all of them
[07:37] <fabbione> moving the cable from eth0 to eth3
[07:37] <BenC> any of them show link status?
[07:37] <fabbione> yes the 2 i configured
[07:37] <BenC> so they show "LInk at 1000Mbs Full Duplex" or whatever?
[07:38] <fabbione> yes
[07:38] <fabbione> that's OBP tho
[07:38] <BenC> and connecting/disconnecting the cable causes link up/down to occur?
[07:38] <fabbione> not to the kernel
[07:38] <BenC> no, I mean in Linux
[07:38] <fabbione> i saw only one link down/up
[07:39] <fabbione> even if elmo did plug/8unplug a lot
[07:39] <BenC> bring all the interfaces up, then connect/disconnect the cable and see what happens
[07:39] <fabbione> eh
[07:39] <fabbione> if elmo is still at the DC
[07:39] <fabbione> let me see
[07:40] <fabbione> i can only see one module param for tg3.. that's debugging
[07:45] <fabbione> i wonder if we are using #if defined(CONFIG_VLAN_8021Q) || defined(CONFIG_VLAN_8021Q_MODULE)
[07:45] <fabbione> that might change something
[07:55] <Pugget> ciao-  would anyone be willing to help a ubuntu (and debian) newbie compile the new 2.6.15 unbuntu kernel from ftp://ftp.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.15 ?  everyting compiles and then dpkg-gencontrol bombs with "error: package kernel-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-ubuntu1 not in control info"
[07:57] <fabbione> BenC: david says that it might be a known problem.. he is already fixing it :)
[07:57] <Pugget> sweet :-)
[07:58] <fabbione> Pugget: sweet?
[07:59] <Pugget> fabbione: oops, mis-interpreted the last message as if it were in reponse to my question, nm
[08:00] <fabbione> Pugget: no.
[08:00] <BenC> Pugget: apt-get install linux-source-2.6.15
[08:00] <BenC> don't use the tarball from there
[08:00] <fabbione> after almost 16 hours in the day i don't have time for that :)
[08:01] <BenC> fabbione: BTW, my last kernel upload to fix ppc ftbfs was a little pointless since the ppc buildd's are down :/
[08:01] <fabbione> how so?
[08:01] <BenC> according to Kinnison, one has dead disk, and the other just isn't responding
[08:01] <fabbione> SCORE
[08:01] <Pugget> BenC: what should I stick in my sources.list so I have that package?
[08:01] <fabbione> and i am booting slowlaris :/
[08:02] <BenC> Pugget: uh, the default deb lines
[08:02] <BenC> it's in dapper main
[08:03] <Pugget> BenC: okay
[08:03] <BenC> and if you are trying to do this on breezy, and install it on breezy, you are asking for trouble
[08:04] <Pugget> BenC: figured as much - I just typed "upgrade dapper" into google...
[09:25] <zul> arrgh....stupid totem..
[09:27] <trappist> does 2.6.15-16.23 (or maybe one before it that I missed) fix the 1G/3G split?
[09:27] <fabbione> trappist: what about reading the changelog? :)
[09:27] <zul> fabbione: you are so smart..
[09:28] <fabbione> i know :)
[09:29] <trappist> there it is :)  nicely worded too, with a reference to the problem that exposed the issue for me
[09:36] <BenC> changelogs are useful that way


[01:18] <micahg> gah sorry, forgot to upload, doign so now
[03:52] <OvenWerks> micahg: that was two hours ago now but thank you if you are still up. (The branches don't show the release yet, so I am not sure if it is finished)
[03:57] <OvenWerks> Yahoo, new libagv-extras are out. Maybe our ISO will build now.
[06:22] <smartboyhw> zequence, back from Switzerland?
[07:01] <smartboyhw> Hey cub
[07:01] <cub> Good morning smartboyhw ;)
[07:06] <cub> I'm reading up on seeds so I can try to include gnome-orca in US before FF. Big breakthrough. :P
[07:07] <cub> Also got some good feedback from the ubuntu-accessibility maillist from visually impaired people on how the get Orca to work in Xfce.I haven't had time to test the different suggestions yet though.
[07:07] <smartboyhw> cub, sure:)
[08:20] <smartboyhw> hey DarkEra
[08:27] <DarkEra> hi smartboyhw
[11:21] <zequence_> hi. Did you know Brussels airport is so cheap with electricity you have to cykle to ccharge your laptop
[11:21] <cub> haha
[11:22] <zequence_> I forgot to bring my sweat pants
[11:22] <zequence_> Probaby got a big wet stain in the back of my pants now :P
[11:22] <cub> to keep all thos EU lobbyists fit.
[11:23] <zequence_> free ethernet, so at least thats smetthing
[11:24] <zequence_> cub: The actual applications go into the seeds, but settings go elsewherre
[11:24] <zequence_> Right now we have ubuntustudio-default-setttings for that
[11:24] <cub> I'm not following..?
[11:24] <zequence_> so, if you know which settings need to be changed, we could help out in adding them
[11:24] <cub> ah yeah sure
[11:24] <zequence_> cub: about Orca
[11:25] <cub> first I need to get it to work on my laptops
[11:25] <cub> so I know what the fixes are
[11:25] <zequence_> adding orca is as simple as adding the package name to the correctt seed file
[11:25] <zequence_> ok
[11:25] <cub> yes, I have read the documentation but not downloaded the seed yet
[11:26] <cub> I'm getting there slowly in between work and family
[11:27] <cub> but from what I understand Germinate will take care of any dependencies?
[11:28] <zequence_> Yes. Just like installing with apt in that regard
[11:33] <cub> hmm my shirts are being held by DHL?? "Due to a surcharge, the shipment could not be delivered and is being stored. The recipient has been informed."
[11:36] <zequence_> someone didnt pay their bills to DHL?
[11:36] <cub> I payed when I ordered...calling them now
[11:37] <cub> adn I haven't been informed at all, I just saw this since I traced my package
[11:39] <zequence_> Im thinking the company who pays DHL
[11:40] <zequence_> i.e. spreadshirt
[11:40] <zequence_> What a contrast to how fast I got my stuff
[11:41] <cub> Weird. According to DHL sweden they can't even track it because HDL Germany has different codes.
[11:41] <cub> And on top of that DHL DE hand the shipment over to Posten in Sweden to deliver, not to DHL SE.
[11:42] <cub> And voila, the say it's being held while it's actually delivered to Posten. DHL SE apparently get lots of calls about this. The sad part is that I now have no valid tracking number.
[11:43] <cub> DHL SE didn't there was any extra charge but that Posten would deliver it and the DE system has a crappy status put in. :D
[11:43] <zequence_> how ungerman of them
[11:44] <cub> I want my cup dammit.
[11:44] <zequence_> yerr cub-cup
[11:44] <cub> hehe
[11:45] <cub> Yet another tech at work reinstalled his Ubuntu with Fedora. They are mocking my eee pc with US saucy. The mug will bring back balance.
[11:49] <zequence_> it will change everything!
[11:50] <cub> oh yeah. The girls will hang at my office, Sales will bring me gifts. It will be awesome.
[11:51] <cub> right, so Posten has actually got my package which was delivered last Friday. But it seems they notice to me has disappeared. But I got a new tracking number which I can use to collect it tonight. #win
[11:53] <zequence_> That happens aaall the tie
[11:53] <zequence_> and they always blame you
[11:53] <zequence_> at least at my local store
[11:54] <zequence_> good to hear your stuff has arrived saffely
[11:56] <cub> yeah, I just love when my phone bill doesn't arrive and then I get a penalty a week after for not paying it. "But I didn't get it?!" "YHes you did, pay up."
[11:57] <cub> but cool, I ordered the other mug and a couple of different colors so it will be fun to check them out later today
[13:40] <cub> smartboyhw, any news on 12.04.3?
[13:40] <smartboyhw> cub, NO.
[13:41] <smartboyhw> The release team are still preparing the tracker:O
[13:41] <cub> and we can't test until that's done?
[13:41] <smartboyhw> cub, yep
[13:41] <cub> hehe ok
[13:42] <cub> good thing we are spread out around the globe to be able to work 24/7. :D
[13:42] <smartboyhw> cub, :D
[14:42] <OvenWerks> cub: I am wondering how a blind or nearly blind person works.
[14:42] <OvenWerks> What applications do they use?
[14:45] <OvenWerks> For example, if I was blind and wanted to create a document or a book, I would think using a text editor and something like TeX or even html for formating would make more sense than using libreoffice with some kind of support.
[14:46] <OvenWerks> a mouse would not be much use in the normal way and in factmight get in the way.
[14:49] <OvenWerks> My opinion (how much is that worth when I am sighted?) is that it might be easier to use a server install rather than a gui session at all.
[14:51] <OvenWerks> Any blind people I know (all two and a half that I "see" in person and two I have talked with via email) are much better with the keyboard than I am.
[14:52] <OvenWerks> They seem also to have a much better memory for commands.
[14:56] <cub> yeah, I've seen mostly three types of work flows or rather tools
[14:57] <cub> Visually impaired who is not blind might use screen enhancements and a big screen. Other I worked with used speech (which was quite impressive when jumping around within a program) or braille readers
[14:57] <OvenWerks> So my question becomes: if I was a blind musician, would I be better starting with studio and adding things to help me work with it, or start with a distro that worked for me and add the tools to that for audio?
[14:57] <cub> At the visually impaired centre where I worked everyone used the same office applications
[14:58] <cub> yeah I talked some to Josh Kennedy who emailed the list about that. Since there is Vinux aimed for the visually impaired and it's based on Ubuntu 12.04, why not just add a low-latency kernel to it?
[14:59] <cub> Instead of installing Ubuntu Studio and hope everything else works
[14:59] <cub> Then again, there seem to be a small community who would like to use Ubuntu Studio anyway, so why not.
[15:00] <OvenWerks> The two people on LAU who are blind, use nama and midish instead of ardour.
[15:00] <cub> Josh, in this case has already got hydrogen and the apps he wanted up and running in Vinux, seems he was not about to do like live audio recordings.
[15:00] <OvenWerks> we do not ship nama (or it's depends)
[15:01] <cub> no I took a look at them wehn you mentioned them before.
[15:01] <OvenWerks> midish has no real depends.
[15:03] <OvenWerks> nama is I think using git now and I know many people use it with ardour as well.
[15:03] <cub> But yeah, like I wrote before. Am I doing a lot of testing for something noone will actually use? :D
[15:03] <OvenWerks> zequence: maybe we should add git or something like it.
[15:03] <cub> you can use nama with Ardour?
[15:04] <OvenWerks> one or the other
[15:04]  * smartboyhw likes git;P
[15:04] <smartboyhw> And bzr out of the most
[15:05] <smartboyhw> Just PLZ, no SVN..
[15:05] <cub> Haha on Nama Screenshot page: "Nama's GUI is ugly. There, I've said it."
[15:06] <OvenWerks> nobody uses the gui.
[15:06] <cub> I like the idea to do recording without a gui and the be able to import it to Ardour on a workstation for mixing
[15:07] <OvenWerks> The reason nama works for the blind person is the CLI.
[15:07] <cub> yes
[15:08] <cub> Would the low-latency kernel work on any ubuntu based distro?
[15:09] <OvenWerks> yes
[15:09] <cub> just like the wiki "how to make your vanilla Ubuntu = Ubuntu Studio"
[15:09] <cub> so perhaps I should make a wiki of "How to make Vinux -> Vinux Studio" instead. :P
[15:10] <OvenWerks> I don't think I would add ubuntustudio-audio though
[15:10] <cub> why not?
[15:10] <OvenWerks> too many extra apps that would never be used :)
[15:10] <OvenWerks> and others that need to be added.
[15:11] <cub> ok
[15:11] <OvenWerks> maybe that doesn't matter.
[15:11] <OvenWerks> most of the plugins work for a blind pperson with nama.
[15:12] <cub> on another note, I saw a thread in the forums on why an installation of VLC would uninstall a couple of ubuntustudio- on saucy, any idea why?
[15:12] <OvenWerks> but they still require X.
[15:13] <OvenWerks> VLC uninstalls some of the libav things we use.
[15:13] <cub> was it like before as well? I don't remember removing anything when I installed vlc
[15:13] <cub> then again, it was some time ago
[15:14] <OvenWerks> It may be that VLC has switched to using some of the ffmpeg libs which conflict.
[15:15] <cub> aha
[15:15] <OvenWerks> It may be instructive to read up on ffmpeg vs. avlib...
[15:16] <OvenWerks> And other similar messes like cdrecord vs: wodim
[15:16] <cub> crap I'm late again. Gotta go! =)
[15:16] <OvenWerks> bye
[17:00] <zequence> OvenWerks: I know there are git based backup applications. If there's something specific for multimedia, or used for that, I see no problem in adding it
[17:00] <zequence> Back home, finally
[17:00] <zequence> On a Swedish keyboard :P
[17:04] <OvenWerks> zequence: I am not sure about git or how to add it in a useful manner. I just know that there are a number of people on LAU who have mentioned that use git to store ardour snapshots.
[17:05] <OvenWerks> ardour is supposed to be able to store it's own snapshots too, but I guess (at least in the past) that has be probematic
[17:05] <OvenWerks> s/be/been
[17:08] <OvenWerks> nama now (or will soon) use git natively as it's backup/snapshot option.
[17:08]  * OvenWerks seems to be in broken english mode today :P
[17:10] <zequence> There's one that deals with backing up the /etc directory
[17:10] <zequence> etckeeper
[17:10] <zequence> it can do multiple, git, and others
[17:11] <zequence> automatic backup of any changes
[17:11] <zequence> I'm sure that should be possible to adapt to any application
[17:15] <OvenWerks> That might work then. I just don't want to add something without knowing how it works. Without knowing it adds something worth while.
[17:15] <OvenWerks> Going on some people have meantioned they use it is not enough to make me comfortable.
[17:20] <zequence> I dont think etckeeper as it is would work, I dont really know, but the concept - and using something like git
[17:27] <nickgbro> holy, ive been away a while...
[17:27] <nickgbro> what's new?
[20:36] <cub> OvenWerks, are you around?
[20:37] <cub> never mind, catch you tomorrow. :)


[00:02] <mhall119> quiriquix: depends on the database
[00:16] <quiriquix> MySQL, n00b struff
[00:17] <quiriquix> mhall119:
[00:17] <mhall119> quiriquix: I might be able to help, what's the problem?
[00:31] <quiriquix> hang on
[00:31] <quiriquix> mhall119: i will let you know in a minute, i think i got it