[00:02] <persia> There was an announcement that it would be ported, and a plenary from someone at Valve.  Video should be findable with your favorite search engine
[00:02] <persia> zequence: I don't have it yet either: they may not have sent them out yet
[00:04] <ttoine> But they didn't demonstrate it "live" at the UDS
[00:05] <persia> Not to my memory
[10:08] <smartboyhw> Grrr I actually discovered that the 20121106 build for i386 actually didn't fail and is available for download
[10:12] <zequence> The wikipedia page about Ubuntu Studio is a bit outdated http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Studio
[10:13] <zequence> i added a section about linux-lowlatency, but it might be nice to do some more work on that page
[10:13] <zequence> And add sources for some claims, etc
[10:14] <smartboyhw> zequence, yeah
[10:14] <smartboyhw> zequence, you live in Sweden right?
[10:14] <zequence> smartboyhw: Yes
[10:15] <smartboyhw> zequence, two days ago a Sweden choir came to perform at our school
[10:15] <smartboyhw> forgotten it's name though
[10:16] <zequence> smartboyhw: We have a lot of that here. Don't know the names of many choirs though. Only two of the big ones
[10:16] <smartboyhw> zequence, give me the two big ones. Let me see which one it is:D
[10:17] <zequence> Eric Ericson Choir, and the Swedish Radio Choir
[10:17] <smartboyhw> no then
[10:17] <smartboyhw> hmm let me try to search the name
[10:57] <smartboyhw> Hmm I am sure blender is the problem
[10:57] <smartboyhw> it returned a error to me when I finish my apt-get upgrade
[10:57] <smartboyhw> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1342259/
[10:57] <smartboyhw> Here
[11:01] <persia> Needs porting to python3, or someone to do the (ugly) magic to make it not use python3.
[11:02] <persia> barry (usually in #ubuntu-devel when the sun is over the Americas) has written up some nice docs on porting.
[11:03] <smartboyhw> I am gonna report a bug
[11:03] <persia> I think there's already a python3 tracker, but yeah, it deserves a bug, as *some* solution should be SRU'd
[11:04] <persia> I suspect the same error occurs to folk who try to install blender directly
[11:04] <zequence> But, this is on 13.04, right?
[11:05] <persia> Oh, right.  The change to python-defaults is raring-only
[11:05] <smartboyhw> zequence, yes ONLY for 13.04
[11:05] <smartboyhw> python 3.3 is messing everything up
[11:05] <smartboyhw> Even the new live images
[11:06] <persia> That's why it's a development release: development needs doing :)
[11:07] <zequence> persia: Does Ubuntu import everything from Debian Experimental?
[11:07] <zequence> I mean, sync
[11:07] <smartboyhw> :P
[11:07] <persia> Generally only on request, but I think packages that were last synchronised from experimental might be resynchronised from experimental until told otherwise (I don't remember precisely)
[11:08] <persia> I think the sync code has been under heavy modification recently, but I don't remember the location.  Someone in #ubuntu-devel likely knows, if you want to check for sure.
[11:17] <persia> zequence: Found the code: lp:ubuntu-archive-tools
[11:18] <zequence> persia: Thanks. I did find something about the dev release here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/ReleaseProcess
[11:18] <smartboyhw> Bug reported
[11:18] <smartboyhw> Bug 1076230
[11:18] <smartboyhw> Damn wrong
[11:18] <smartboyhw> Bug 1076320
[11:18] <zequence> And there's a blacklist for what packages to merge from debian http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/sync-blacklist.txt
[11:18] <smartboyhw> Yes this one
[11:19] <zequence> python 3.2 is on the blacklist, so I suppose this is something that Ubuntu does a custom package for
[11:22] <persia> doko maintains that package in both distributions, so I presume he put it there for a reason.
[11:23]  * smartboyhw is asking for help about blender in their channel
[11:23] <persia> They probably need a python3 patch, and I suspect they want to also do python2, as not every distribution has migrated yet.
[11:47] <zequence> I'm currently setting things up for recording. Going to be recording thousands of percussive sounds, so not much activity on US for me today. Was a bit in dispair for a moment, as I couldn't open my pd program that I've created for recording, cutting and saving samples
[11:47] <zequence> Was just a tiny git merge conflict
[12:08] <astraljava> Ahh... gotta love those.
[12:10] <smartboyhw> zequence, :D
[12:17] <zequence> It's not a fun feeling when you've spent weeks on coding something, and you find it may not even start suddenly
[12:25] <astraljava> Yeah, those are usually the worst. A friend on another game project said he was pretty frustrated when he had quadruple-checked everything and thought there just _is not possible_ to remain any bugs, yet the project wouldn't work.
[12:25] <astraljava> Turns out it was just a not-rebooted-after-several-kernel-updates situation.
[12:26] <smartboyhw> That IS the worst
[12:27] <ttoine> hi
[12:28] <smartboyhw> Hi ttoine
[12:34] <ttoine> hi
[12:34] <ttoine> somebody knows if this possible to embed video (youtube or vimeo) on the wiki ?
[12:39] <astraljava> ttoine: From moinmo.in:"As you can see, [[...]] sets a link to the target, {{...}} embeds the target, which is especially useful for pictures." Doesn't mention video there, so I guess you can just give it a shot.
[12:52] <ttoine> astraljava, thanks.  So we definitively should create an illustrated doc on the wordpress site, with pictures and howtos videos
[13:03] <smartboyhw> ttoine, I agree
[13:04] <smartboyhw> Though I have a question though: Since there is a website team for Ubuntu Studio, should we just incorporate it into the forecoming PR team?
[13:22] <astraljava> Incorporate what? Doc vs. team, I don't see the connection.
[13:22] <smartboyhw> astraljava, here is the issue
[13:23] <smartboyhw> There is a website team right?
[13:23] <smartboyhw> Then since the new PR team should have a right to import news/others into the website, they (the PR Team members) should be in the website team
[13:24] <ttoine> smartboyhw, I agree
[13:25] <ttoine> knome : I can't see pleia2 online, for the Twitter account
[13:27] <astraljava> Ahh... so different issues altogether. Gotcha.
[13:27] <smartboyhw> astraljava, yeah
[13:58] <jta> good news folks, i moved my synth to the left of my computer finally!  woohoo!
[14:00] <smartboyhw> jta, yeah
[14:04] <jta> smartboyhw: you know what a rearranged workstation means don't you?  MORE PRODUCTIVITY!  YIPPIE!
[14:04] <smartboyhw> jta, so yeah:P
[14:04] <jta> Lol...having my synth on the right was a pita to get anything done, lol....
[14:05] <jta> I can use a mouse left handed but it just wasn't working out, lol....
[14:06] <jta> so it should help me with the blender and audio/jack workflow...plus digitizing my midi files to use as soundtracks for video
[14:06] <jta> all part of making a workflow for the combo graphics/audio heads and the distro
[14:14] <jta> wb smartboyhw
[14:14] <jta> who all here does graphics?
[14:14] <jta> i have a minute to chat about the graphics workflow on the distro
[14:27] <smartboyhw> Hey scott-work
[14:28] <len-dt> jta that is our biggest problem, not having enough graphic people.
[14:28] <len-dt> Scott does some Mish when he is around too
[14:29] <len-dt> jta, we are lopsided towards audio
[14:29] <jta> lol... true len-dt that's ok, i always ask for input first then i go off on my own, then I will ask for feedback, more of a courtesy and open door policy
[14:30] <jta> len-dt: for sure, just putting it out there...this distro started because of latency/RTS issue so that is understandable
[14:30] <len-dt> I personally would like to see us cover the rest of our workflows to the same extent as audio
[14:31] <holstein> im exited about lightworks!
[14:31] <len-dt> I would like to see us do something about multihead system support
[14:31] <smartboyhw> :D
[14:32] <jta> len-dt: yes, same here, I am working on that with blender...
[14:32] <jta> i need it for my live event work...
[14:33] <len-dt> I can set things up so that it works from boot to boot, but I think I should be able to set things up and change from single to multi on the fly without breaking things or having to resetup.
[14:34] <len-dt> In other words there should be multiple setups with auto selection depending on what is plugged in.
[14:34] <len-dt> gnome, unity xfce don't seem to do this well.
[14:34] <jta> len-dt: well if you have been researching it you know there are issues...especially with the display layers in Linux.  Which in theory should make it easier
[14:35] <jta> in reality, you can't trust the software programming techniques for the apps that run on the OS
[14:35] <jta> and multi head on the fly means many things
[14:35] <jta> but you are correct, it should "just work"
[14:35] <len-dt> Anyway, I have to go make sandwiches for my kids.
[14:35] <jta> there is a student working on a fix, he's in my notes.....
[14:36] <jta> len-dt: cut them in multiple shapes, they will love it...
[14:36] <jta> don't just cut them in half
[14:36]  * len-dt smiles, he doesn't cut them at all!
[14:37] <jta> len-dt: trust me, they will love it...
[14:38] <jta> cut it off set diagonally then make multiple cuts on the bigger side...
[14:38] <jta> or just cut a circle in the middle...
[14:38] <jta> my kids loved it
[14:44] <scott-work> jta: i have felt for quite a while that blender has been the most powerful and stable video editor in linux
[14:45] <holstein> len-dt: i think we could find someone in the xubuntu team to get with us on multihead.. they need it too
[14:45] <scott-work> i had greatly desired to work up an appropriate work flow around it so that ubuntu studio can support the profession video/film maker
[14:45] <scott-work> len-dt: holstein : multihead works very nicely with stock ubuntu with ubuntu
[14:46] <holstein> scott-work: yup
[14:46] <holstein> scott-work: i dont think we can use any of that though, correct?
[14:46] <smartboyhw> scott-work, still haven't add things to the testing docs blueprint eh?:D
[14:47] <scott-work> holstein: i don't know, i would expect we could snag some portions of it, like we did with the color stuff than len-dt was doing
[14:47] <jta> scott-work: cool.  Lightworks is exciting but it comes at a cost, blender I think is a better choice all things considered since many audio people want to do their own event fliers and 3D is popular for that
[14:47] <scott-work> smartboyhw: last two days, and it looks like today as well, have been pretty hellish
[14:47] <holstein> scott-work: sure, but why has xubuntu not done that?
[14:47] <smartboyhw> scott-work, yeah your headache is still on I think. I won't bother you then:D
[14:47] <scott-work> jta: i think the biggest thing blender missed out of on was to make some stupid python scripts to automate the stuff people want to do, like lower thirds, etc
[14:48] <holstein> thats soemthing i see in there at least 3 or four times a week... multihead sucks comments
[14:48] <scott-work> jta: i really think they could have mopped up the entire linux video world right there and people might not hold lightworks as the second coming
[14:48] <jta> the issue with multi-head is as explained, you can't do it on the fly...setting it up to boot works, but autodetect sucks...
[14:48] <holstein> i got it with my nvidia package.. a custom xorg.conf for it
[14:49] <smartboyhw> holstein, ask knome about why Xubuntu didn't:D
[14:49] <jta> scott-work: i have a small team working on the VSE to make it a better NLE...we should have something posted soon...we are also working with devs that have popular plug-ins for it
[14:49] <holstein> jta: but, we *should* be able to have that
[14:49] <jta> holstein: for sure
[14:49] <holstein> jta: i wish i understood more about why we dont
[14:49] <scott-work> smartboyhw: it's not the headache that has been the largest pain, it's the problems that i have had to solve and that are time sensitive that have made it hellish
[14:49] <holstein> or why xubuntu doesnt
[14:49] <smartboyhw> scott-work, ah ah ah OK
[14:49] <scott-work> smartboyhw: i haven't even touched the work i was suppossed to do this week yet
[14:49] <holstein> might literally be man power..
[14:49] <smartboyhw> scott-work, grrrrr
[14:50] <jta> holstein: i have to have it eventually for my live event work...it has to hot swap or I have eliminated part of my workflow
[14:50] <smartboyhw> It's Thursday already
[14:50] <scott-work> jta: do you have a website that you blog under?
[14:50] <scott-work> blender VSE ?
[14:51] <holstein> jta: its arguably more of an issue for US.. xubuntu is more for one screen desktop users where we would be more likely to want dual head for audio/video tasks
[14:51] <holstein> smartboyhw: o/
[14:51] <scott-work> http://blendervse.wordpress.com/
[14:51] <smartboyhw> holstein, o/
[14:51] <scott-work> that is the blog i follow, but it's labeled "blender VSE" on the page
[14:51] <scott-work> i follow a few others too
[14:52] <jta> scott-work: no web presence yet...I had one and am rebranding, it will be up over the winter break...next week is my last week for big/long events
[14:52] <jta> until about mid January
[14:53] <jta> scott-work: no I am not directly affiliated with that website or 3point edit, the blogger, he's active on blenderartists.org and we are in those circles
[14:54] <jta> 3pointedit on ba
[14:54] <jta> scott-work: yes, it's a good blog
[14:55] <jta> we have not officially announced our intentions yet, and there are other people looking at and starting to work on the VSE, so it is alive and well
[14:56] <jta> I think a stronger blender and supporting app presence on ustudio will make it more attractive for VJays
[14:56] <jta> they can install their own VJ fav apps but a good core is important to start with, and that way they will not have to mess with blender, we will have it all set up
[14:56] <scott-work> i agree and i certainly want to empower and support them
[14:57] <scott-work> also it's crazy stupid how small the blender package is compared to other available NLEs, if i remember correctly
[14:57] <jta> scott-work: exactly, and there are a lot of other fine points that make it an optimal choice
[14:58] <jta> for one, it just doesn't crash like lightworks does...
[14:58] <scott-work> i seem to remember they were working on hardware acceleration for HD video, i hope that is still happening, although i believe that dumping to image sequence still happens quite often in profession movie making
[15:00] <scott-work> one thing that kdenlive and others do well is just import the video whatever the format is and kdenlive can automatically create proxies for you
[15:00] <scott-work> no need to avconv (again), but this time for a reduce resolution
[15:04] <jta> scott-work: blender vse does auto proxies also
[15:05] <jta> auto proxies are a good workflow point
[15:05] <scott-work> jta: ooooh, sweet. i haven't played with it in a while and when i did i had a book for the 2.4.9 version (i think), but i certainly haven't played very much with the current version
[15:05] <scott-work> aye, they are
[15:06] <jta> scott-work: wow, the whole UI has changed, we are up to 2.64 now...2.65 soon
[15:07] <jta> scott-work: the devs are going node crazy also...so there is a new tiles based compositor and lots of nodes...the interaction with VSE is still a bit odd but it's getting better
[15:08] <scott-work> that's incredible news!  i am going to really start looking at it again for video now :)
[15:09] <smartboyhw> :)
[15:09] <scott-work> i've been using kdenlive and getting very, very comfortable with it....it's quite smooth in many areas
[15:09] <scott-work> but i really hate to bring in crap loads of kde dependencies just for a NLE
[15:09] <scott-work> and the node editor is just amazingly powerful (if slightly complicated for most)
[15:10] <scott-work> (node editor in blender)
[15:16] <jta> scott-work: yes it is, but i am working with professional compositors in southern california and we are coming up with good instructional material that we will share with the community...so it should make things a lot quicker in the workflow/learning curve aspects
[15:16] <jta> scott-work: like sometimes you have to do little things to get output right...and that is cryptic/enigmatic...
[15:17] <jta> kdenlive is a great program for what it does...
[15:18] <jta> does anybody here use a typical webhosting service for a shell account?  as in setting up IRC listening?  I want to have a 24/7 irc connection that I can shell into
[15:20] <scott-work> i use a VPS that has a shell account, it's around 15 USD per month (obviously slightly less if paid bi-annually or annually)
[15:21] <scott-work> i would imagine that (but i'm not an expert) that any shared plan might not have shell access, but just FTP
[15:21] <jta> scott-work: i already have a good web host so I am not looking to add more $$$, I may just set my old laptop up and run it 24/7...but I would rather run it on my hosting service
[15:22] <jta> shell access is not a shell account with what I want to use it for scott-work
[15:29] <astraljava> jta: I use IRC just as you described. I pay €30 a year for debian squeeze shell account, has 50GB space, apache2 with PHP+mysli, pretty much everything you can think of. Read my email from there with mutt etc.
[15:29] <scott-work> jta: looking at the blender news i see some improvements like i mentioned. for example the new green screen compositing nodes
[15:29] <scott-work> that is exciting news
[15:29] <astraljava> Downtime probably around few hours a year, maybe not exactly 99.999% uptime, but close.
[15:30] <jta> scott-work: for sure, the new Mango Open Movie Project/Tears of Steel really added a lot of VFX and live action capabilities, especially with match moving/camera tracking/green screen/compositing
[15:31] <jta> astraljava: i will look in to that becasue that actually gives me some other benefits on the debian front
[15:33] <astraljava> jta: Well, I'm not sure you'll qualify for this particular service, though. http://www.kapsi.fi/english.html
[15:34] <astraljava> We can set something up, though.
[15:35] <astraljava> :)
[15:38] <jta> well i like finish heavy metal music, does that count as a connection to Finland astraljava ? lol...
[15:38] <jta> Finnish
[15:38] <astraljava> Oh, which bands?
[15:39] <astraljava> jta: Well, we could set up a project that somehow deals with this area, or anything remotely linked to this country. What would you be interested in?
[15:40] <astraljava> Then you could say you want provider close to the origin, and they would fit the need better. :)
[15:40] <jta> astraljava: I am working with blender and they are in the same time zone...so the shell account is mostly intended to monitor european chat while I am asleep or have my computer off
[15:41] <jta> and I am working towards providing better blender/3d/graphics support for this distro
[15:41] <jta> blender is out of amsterdam, and there are a lot of finnish users and a few devs
[15:41] <jta> that would be the most solid connection
[15:41] <astraljava> jta: Yeah I noticed that, but failed to welcome you. So, welcome! :)
[15:42] <astraljava> I guess you could use that as the argument for the application. :)
[15:42] <jta> astraljava: thanks
[15:43] <astraljava> Since you're the biggest-into-graphics-guy in here, what's your take on Cinelerra?
[15:43] <jta> cool..I will put it in my notes..i am researching using my own webhost atm
[15:44] <jta> astraljava: it's a dead project and not community driven or heavily supported...
[15:44] <jta> it has some great features, just too many "issues"
[15:44] <astraljava> I tried to get that going, and talked to some guys on some of their IRC channels (this is way back, so I'm forgetting the details already), but it seemed even their own community wasn't really sure how/which version/whatever would be suitable for any given distribution.
[15:44] <jta> blender is alive and well
[15:44] <astraljava> Yeah.
[15:45] <jta> astraljava: it's too hardware dependent...blender will run on just about anything to one degree or another
[15:45] <jta> and it's multi OS so I am a big supporter
[15:46] <astraljava> Yeah, it sounds like a clear winner.
[16:11] <astraljava> Alright, let's get the Studio jam sessions going: http://www.jamwithchrome.com
[16:55] <knome> well, we're working on a monitor setting up display
[16:55] <knome> that's what will be it from our side
[17:32] <zequence> ttoine: Please have a look at what has been suggested on both documentation, as well as public relations in blueprints
[17:32] <zequence> ttoine: Some of the things you suggest have already been suggested
[17:33] <zequence> ttoine: On user docs https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntustudio-r-user-documentation
[17:34] <zequence> ttoine: PR https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntustudio-r-public-relations
[19:44] <scott-work> jta: do you use a particular ppa (presuming you use blender on ubuntu) for blender?
[19:45] <jta> ppa? scott-work
[19:45] <jta> i use a ubuntu flavor
[19:45] <scott-work> Personal Package Archive
[19:45] <jta> ah, no, not yet...
[19:45] <scott-work> you can build and host your own code (including variations of code in the repo)
[19:46] <jta> yes, I have been discussing that with one of my project leads
[19:48] <scott-work> although it looks like 2.63a is the repos for quantal and raring
[19:48] <scott-work> 2.62 for precise
[19:49] <scott-work> okay, i just wanted to make sure i could get some of the latest versions for playing with it this weekend
[19:51] <jta> we were talking about debian squeeze also
[19:51] <jta> 2.62 is fine...the mango stuff is in 2.64
[19:52] <jta> under debian flavors you should be able to unpack the offical linux download and have it work...may get a library or two fail...
[19:53] <jta> just run it from terminal and watch the window...don't dc it
[19:53] <jta> you can gui to it, then open a terminal and ./blender
[19:53] <jta> it will give you all the feedback you need
[20:39] <astraljava> jta: And is Ubuntu considered as a flavor in this case?
[20:50] <jta> for sure
[20:50] <jta> astraljava:
[20:51] <jta> hey, how to you do the two up carrots in chat?  aka cones
[20:51] <astraljava> ^^
[20:51] <astraljava> Depends on keymap. :)
[20:51] <jta> yes..what's the key strokes?
[20:51] <jta> erm...standard english usa?
[20:54] <astraljava> Shift - 5
[20:54] <astraljava> err...
[20:54] <astraljava> Shift + 5
[20:54] <astraljava> :D
[20:54] <astraljava> err...
[20:55] <jta> %
[20:55] <astraljava> Shift + 6
[20:55] <jta> ^^
[20:55] <jta> oh...I thought people did the double thing with some type of chat shortcut
[20:55] <jta> lol...like '/lookupthere'
[20:56] <jta> so you didn't have to do what we just did, lol...
[20:56] <astraljava> I don't think so, but I could be wrong. It's been documented to happen before.
[20:56] <jta> i just see the double carrot so much I thought there was a shortcut
[20:56] <astraljava> jta: But I _loved_ what we just did there. *blink* *blink*
[20:56] <jta> like '/payfooknattentionplease'
[20:56] <astraljava> I THOUGHT YOU DID TOO!!!1oneeleven
[20:56] <jta> lol....
[20:56] <astraljava> *sniff*
[20:57]  * jta hands astraljava some tissue for that sniff
[20:58] <jta> yes the communicable interaction was fabulous...just the attempt at a short cut was a complete fail, lol...
[20:58] <jta> ^^^^^^^^^
[20:59]  * jta goes carrot crazy
[20:59]  * jta hands astraljava some java flavored chocolate to make ammends
[21:00] <astraljava> Whee!
[21:00] <astraljava> I feel so much better already.
[21:00] <jta> woohoo!
[21:01]  * jta whistles to the 7 dwarves song, "I owe, I owe so off to work I go, la da ti da la da ti da I owe..."
[21:02] <astraljava> Have fun.
[21:14] <scott-work> i did find a ppa for blender 2.64a https://launchpad.net/~irie/+archive/blender
[21:15] <astraljava> It soothes me not even remotely as well as java-flavored chocolates.
[21:27] <scott-work> the blender mango page (http://mango.blender.org/about/) has a great section that mentions some goals in the first paragragh
[21:28] <scott-work> this is something that i have been wanting to accomplish for ubuntu studio for a while
[21:29] <ttoine> zequence, great !
[22:01] <len-dt> scott-work, how does multi-head in vanilla respond to adding or subtracting a monitor in the middle of a session?
[22:02] <scott-work> pretty well from my limited experience
[22:03] <len-dt> does it remember how it was set up before?
[22:03] <scott-work> i did have some problems at one point with a certain set of monitors and it not working well (because it was trying to exceed to max size apparently)
[22:03] <scott-work> but that was with a laptop and a widescreen external monitor
[22:03] <scott-work> i think
[22:03] <scott-work> "does it remember...", i'm not sure i understand the question, len-dt
[22:04] <len-dt> for example if two monitors were side by side and one is unplugged when plugged back in is it still side by side or super imposed?
[22:04] <scott-work> there isn't previous settings available i think
[22:04] <scott-work> ah, not sure
[22:04] <len-dt> That in my opinion is the bigest problem
[22:04] <scott-work> i can test this out tonight if you would like?
[22:04] <scott-work> it might not remember specific settings per monitor, but it might remember general settings
[22:05] <len-dt> Maybe I should try it... my Yf is out of town and her machine has vanilla.
[22:05] <len-dt> I wish I had another monitor. I could sure use dual head for audio.
[22:08] <len-dt> I have a few old S3 cards around. I should drop one in my machine.
[22:10] <len-dt> scott-work, as I recall xrandr (that everthing seems to be a gui for) doesn't beside very well. The monitors have to be offset by so many pixels.
[22:11] <scott-work> len-dt: i'm not sure what vanilla is using as a front end, but i'm pretty sure it isn't xrandr, at least as i know it
[22:11] <len-dt> I will say that any of the performance software I have tested (impress etc) seems to work OOTB
[22:12] <len-dt> scott-work, as far as I know any setting change is done as a call to xrandr.
[22:12] <len-dt> I think any save too. At least xfce, yrandr and arandr do.
[22:23] <scott-work> len-dt: i'll do a quick test. plug in 2nd monitor, move it somewhere, unplug it, plug it back in
[22:23] <len-dt> Ok, also look for what happens in one monitor mode after pulling the plug.
[22:23] <scott-work> i don't think i have actually done more than have both monitors side by side and extend the desktop
[22:24] <scott-work> what do you mean by "one monitor mode"?
[22:24] <len-dt> When I pull the plug I end up with the screen that is left as a window in the middle of a big virtual screen I can't see the menu bar etc.
[22:25] <scott-work> oh. i don't remember experiencing that
[22:25] <len-dt> Happens in xfce.
[22:26]  * len-dt is off to pick his son up.
[22:31] <scott-work> going home now
[22:37] <ttoine> zequence, are you still here ?
[22:37] <ttoine> knome, if you are here, pleia2 seems to be always  away
[22:38] <knome> ttoine, here i am
[22:38] <knome> ttoine, pleia2's still traveling. wait until next monday and she'll be around much much more
[22:40] <ttoine> oh ok. can't know that ;-)
[22:42] <knome> no problem
[22:42] <knome> is there something you want to go through with me?
[22:42] <knome> i now notice i didn't go through the wordpress stuff with ailo, as i promised. oops. :)
[23:19] <zequence> ttoine: I'm here for a little while longer
[23:21] <zequence> ttoine: I don't think GRUB has anything to do with linux-generic being installed when doing an update
[23:22] <zequence> If linux-generic is not installed, it should not be installed when doing the update
[23:22] <len-dt> zequence, some of us have generic as well because it uses less battery.
[23:23] <len-dt> I find where I need battery I don't need low latency.
[23:23] <zequence> len-dt: That is a different issue. If you install linux-generic, than it being updated when doing an update, is quite natural
[23:23] <len-dt> None of my machines with just low latency are getting generic updates.
[23:24] <len-dt> But I will add 12.10 lowlatency has gotten a low latency update :)
[23:26] <zequence> I'd need to find out if -generic got installed somehow, without installing it manually. I seem to remember this happening sometime in the past
[23:27] <len-dt> I personally have not had it happen in either 12.04 or 12.10 and have had both up for over two weeks.
[23:27] <len-dt> 12.04 for 6 months
[23:27] <zequence> I can't find any reason why it would.
[23:27] <zequence> The guy who claimed had that happen was installing some firmware
[23:28] <persia> There are some outstanding issues with the kernel -header packages and dependencies that may cause -generic to be installed unexpectedly.  I know this has been a continuing source of annoyance for the server folks for some years.
[23:29] <persia> Ah, installing firmware almost certainly will do it, as most of that depends on linux-headers, which depends on linux-generic-headers | ..., so if there are not yet kernel headers installed, will end up installing -generic because it can't know which is the right set of headers.
[23:32] <zequence> I think some firmware have linux-image as recommend, which in turn depends on linux-generic
[23:32] <zequence> apt-cache rdepends linux-image
[23:32] <zequence> Shows a bunch of firmware
[23:33] <zequence> But, dkms also recommends linux-image
[23:36] <zequence> I don't know. Could be the guy installed something by mistake too
[23:37] <zequence> 10
[23:42] <ttoine> zequence, I don't say that this is because of grub. What I say is that the latest kernel are installed for security purpose, be it a -generic or a -lowlatency. And grub is configured to load the "freshest" kernel
[23:44] <ttoine> so the matter is more a problem of choice at startup
[23:45] <ttoine> and is more a matter for people using laptops, as they will install -generic for battery
[23:46] <ttoine> that's why I suggest we change the grub setup so it will show the menu, and save the last choice


 I haven't set up the tarball for it yet though
[08:34] <duflu> But once done, all you need to do is pull/push
[08:34] <seb128> hey duflu
[08:35] <duflu> Hi seb128
[08:36] <seb128> duflu, you worked a bit on pulseaudio? is there a special workflow? I want to put a change up for review that remove the trust store changeset (so start, we might want to remove other ubuntu touch patches then as well)
[08:36] <koza> duflu, please do, all i did was src pkg
[08:36] <duflu> koza: OK will try to do that before end of today
[08:36] <duflu> seb128, yes, I think, let me check before I answer properly
[08:39] <duflu> seb128, yes the only special workflow is that pulseaudio for artful is kept in the 'ubuntu' branch: https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/pulseaudio
[08:40] <duflu> "Just use git" is the workflow. You should be able to generate debdiffs and debs directly from the ubuntu branch
[08:41] <seb128> duflu, thanks
[08:42] <duflu> seb128, a prettier history is here: https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/pulseaudio/log/?h=ubuntu
[08:43] <seb128> k
[08:51] <andyrock> good morning
[08:52] <duflu> Morning andyrock
[08:52] <koza> seb128: you can also try to try git ubuntu (made by nacc from server team), just type snap install git-ubuntu && git ubuntu import --no-push --no-clean pulseaudio and after a while you will get a branch per each ubuntu release plus a branch for dsc files. Quite nice to see history of changes in the archives.
[08:53] <seb128> koza, I was reading that wikipage, seems worth giving it a try indeed, thanks
[08:53] <koza> seb128: differnt branches for patches applied and unapplied versions too!
[08:53] <koza> duflu: ^^^
[08:54] <duflu> Interesting. I will hold off changing processes yet again right now. It's almost different for every repo I use
[08:55] <koza> :-)
[08:56] <Laney> biab
[08:56] <koza> makes SRUs as easy as cherry-picking a single commit
[08:56] <seb128> koza, btw your bluez update, you deleted the 5.45 entry from the changelog, I guess you edited it to change the 5 in 6, but you should add a new changelog entry instead
[08:56] <seb128> koza, it's no issue for the ppa version but needs to be fixed for the archive upload
[08:57] <seb128> Laney, later
[08:57] <koza> seb128: right, now I know. I ahve made a really quick src package just for testing purposes thus a ci-train ppa.
[08:57] <seb128> hey andyrock, sorry I was in middle of other things and forgot your greetings :-)
[09:00] <duflu> willcooke, here's some fun for you. Not sure about the best place to publish so... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/clutter-gst-3.0/+bug/1701463/comments/3
[09:01] <willcooke> duflu, will take a look in a mo, just on a call (hint hint seb128)
[09:02] <willcooke> oh wait
[09:02] <willcooke> my bad
[09:02] <seb128> willcooke, ?
[09:02] <seb128> I don't have any call before this afternoon in my calendar
[09:09] <andyrock> seb128: forgiven! :D
[09:11] <seb128> :-)
[09:19] <willcooke> duflu, is that clutter-gst for artul?
[09:19] <willcooke> artful*
[09:19] <duflu> willcooke, yes artful. Would you like me to try copying them for zesty?
[09:20] <willcooke> duflu, no, no worries.  Artful is where it's at for me
[09:25] <duflu> willcooke, crucially point-and-click video playback now works. But there are smaller lingering performance bugs to resolve later
[09:27] <willcooke> duflu, that's awesome work, thank you!  I will do some testing ASAP.  And I think some social media activity is warranted here as well.  Do you have the time and/or inclination to write something as a bit more of a narrative than the wiki page?
[09:28] <duflu> willcooke, today no, another day yes
[09:28] <willcooke> duflu, sure, not today, or even this week, but ya know, one day
[09:30] <duflu> Upstream just spoke their first few words about it minutes ago. Wonder how that will go
[09:34] <duflu> I did also draft a flowchart... but ran out of paper. That will take another attempt :P
[09:38] <willcooke> lol
[09:50] <seb128> duflu, do you use gbp to build packages for the pulseaudio git checkout?
[09:51] <duflu> seb128, I use debuild for everything. No idea what gbp is
[09:51] <seb128> git-builpackages, tools to work better with packaging in git
[09:52] <seb128> if you use debuild in the checkout it changes the content and you need to clean out after?
[09:52] <seb128> or do you extract a debdiff that you apply to the deb?
[09:53] <duflu> seb128, AFAIK no special tooling is required. That's the goal of my git layout(s), to have a tree that's always ready for packaging, however you like. A second goal is to maintail full history to upstream master
[09:53] <duflu> *maintain
[09:53] <duflu> It appears some existing solutions don't bother with that second part
[09:53] <seb128> k
[09:54] <seb128> shrug
[09:54] <seb128> I'm back at doing a rm of things and starting fresh again
[09:54] <seb128> I don't understand how people can work with git, it's just an usability disaster
[10:02] <duflu> seb128, admittedly I find myself with a similar problem now. But it's dinner time...
[10:02] <seb128> duflu, enjoy
[10:19] <didrocks> hey hey!
[10:19] <willcooke> hi didrocks
[10:25] <Laney> hey didrocks
[10:26] <Laney> where are you?
[10:28] <didrocks> Laney: CDG
[10:29] <didrocks> will soon board to Manchester, when do you arrive?
[10:30] <Laney> like 18.30
[10:30] <Laney> lucky you getting to visit CDG
[10:31] <didrocks> sooooooooooo nice
[10:31] <didrocks> arriving terminal 2E, bus to terminal 2F
[10:31] <didrocks> and back to terminal 2E to take my flight :)
[10:31] <Laney> hope the free booze is worth it
[10:32] <didrocks> none!
[10:32] <didrocks> it's just the plane is too big for the 2F gates
[10:32] <didrocks> so, they stop it at 2E+bus
[10:33] <didrocks> time for boarding! see you later guys
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[10:55] <Trevinho> seb128, Laney: hey, I think https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2841 is ready for being published, however the automated testing fails... It's because some unity8 failures which I guess we won't fix now... Can we ignore that?
[11:25] <Laney> Trevinho: I guess so, but you might have to argue with the SRU team
[11:31] <willcooke> Laney, for dbgsym do I need to add another repo?
[11:31] <willcooke> per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debug%20Symbol%20Packages
[11:32] <Laney> dhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash#Non-built-in_debug_symbol_packages_.28.2A-dbgsym.29
[11:32] <willcooke> ta
[11:33] <Trevinho> Laney: well, I think we can win that battle...
[11:34] <Trevinho> given the u8 status
[11:34] <Trevinho> and that i didn't cause for sure that test failure
[11:35] <willcooke> Laney,  gnome-software-dbgsym : Depends: gnome-software (= 3.24.3-0ubuntu7) but 3.25.4-1ubuntu1 is to be installed
[11:35] <Laney> did you add ddebs from proposed?
[11:37] <willcooke> no, I blindly copied and pasted. soz
[11:40] <willcooke> fixed
[11:41] <Laney> cool
[11:45] <willcooke> Laney, did I do this right?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/25183338/
[11:45] <willcooke> if so I will attach to the bug
[11:46] <Laney> yeah, that's the same as the bugs I linked
[11:47] <willcooke> worth attaching to the bug?
[11:47] <Laney> although the backtrace indicates you don't have snapd-glib's symbols installed :-)
[11:47] <Laney> you can if you like
[11:48] <willcooke> grr, sorry
[11:48] <willcooke> I'll redo it and attach it
[11:48] <Laney> doesn't matter so much
[11:48] <Laney> but might be useful in the future
[11:48] <willcooke> heh, 2nd time I try it of course it works
[12:19] <darkxst> willcooke, Laney you guys heading to GUADEC?
[12:20] <willcooke> darkxst, just going for one day on Monday
[12:21] <darkxst> ok cool, I am in Manchester now ;)
[12:21] <darkxst> finally escaped the mountains!
[12:22] <darkxst> would be great to catch up with whichever desktop team members are heading over!
[12:27] <jbicha> darkxst: catch up on your sleep too ;)
[12:27] <jbicha> crazy time zones :(
[12:45] <Laney> darkxst: later on
[13:47] <willcooke> hey robert_ancell!  Which TZ are you in now?
[13:47] <robert_ancell> willcooke, same as you!
[13:47] <willcooke> \o/
[13:47] <robert_ancell> And then I realised, hang on, it's still work hours :(
[13:47] <willcooke> hah
[13:48] <robert_ancell> Or can I still claim +12 timezone...
[13:48] <willcooke> wfm
[13:48] <willcooke> ;)
[13:48]  * Laney whips robert_ancell
[13:48] <Laney> GET TO WORK!
[13:48] <robert_ancell> ow
[13:49] <Laney> that's how we do things over here
[13:49] <willcooke> down t' pit
[13:49] <Laney> we've got our country back you know
[13:49] <willcooke> lol
[13:51] <Laney> ffs
[13:52] <Laney> I forgot to bring my drive with debian/ubuntu mirrors on
[13:52] <Laney> having it while travelling was supposed to be one of the main benefits
[13:53] <robert_ancell> Will GUADEC no longer be able to go to the UK anymore?
[13:53] <robert_ancell> or be called GUADEANDUKC
[13:54] <Laney> :-)
[13:54] <Laney> I think it's been to Norway before
[13:54] <Laney> and some people talked about a Norway-style arrangement if we voted to Leave, so ...
[13:54] <Laney> presumably they were talking about the continued possibility of hosting GUADEC
[13:56] <robert_ancell> I'm sure that's one of the main negotiation points happening right now
[14:10] <robert_ancell> willcooke, did you have any more info about why the snapd featured list is ordered? Richard was asking
[14:11] <Laney> -Wmisleading-indentation to the rescue
[14:11] <willcooke> robert_ancell, why is it ordered from the store, or why do we want it ordered in the UI?
[14:11] <robert_ancell> willcooke, the latter, but that's driven by the former
[14:12] <robert_ancell> It is intended to be ordered from most important to least important right?
[14:12] <willcooke> I'm not worried about it being ordered in the UI, except for.. if there are n snaps being promoted and we can only support n-1 in the UI for common screen res. (1080 say) then one of them randomly vanishes - and we want some control over which one vanishes
[14:13] <willcooke> so yeah, kinda importance ordered, but not really - just that we want some level of control - if we have to lose one of them, then we can control that at the store level
[14:13] <robert_ancell> So it's considered better to always truncate the latter ones rather than randomizing (thus showing them all to every user at some point)
[14:16] <willcooke> interesting question, but let me ask a preceding question... can we randomise [1:n] and always trim 0 off for the featured app?
[14:17] <seb128> hey robert_ancell
[14:17] <robert_ancell> seb128, hello
[14:17] <robert_ancell> willcooke, yes, we only provide [1:n] to g-s which it then randomizes
[14:18] <robert_ancell> [0] goes to featured
[14:19] <willcooke> robert_ancell, oki, cool - sec
[14:24] <willcooke> robert_ancell, bear with me, I'll ping you back asap
[14:24] <robert_ancell> ok
[14:30] <andyrock> Trevinho: X sru works ok now
[14:30] <andyrock> do I need to approve something?
[14:35] <seb128> does anyone know how to push git branches on lp so you can mp changes?
[14:35] <seb128> e.g I would like to propose changes to https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/pulseaudio/log/?h=ubuntu
[14:36] <seb128> I pushed to https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/+git/pulseaudio/+ref/ubuntu but it doesn't have an option to mp the changes
[14:41] <Laney> seb128: push to ~seb128/pulseaudio
[14:43] <Laney> ~user/+git/... is like +junk in bzr
[14:44] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[14:45] <Laney> https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Git#Repository_URLs
[14:45] <Laney> not that easy to understand
[14:59] <Laney> k, going to train station
[14:59] <Laney> not sure I'll be able to get online - ttyl if not
[15:04] <didrocks> at least, you won't lose your luggage :p
[15:04] <seb128> bah
[15:05] <seb128> what is a " Target reference path" for a git mp in launchpad?
[15:05] <seb128> didrocks, you did?
[15:05] <seb128> hey didrocks btw :-)
[15:05] <didrocks> seb128: well, yes, apparently, luggage stuck at CDG
[15:06] <didrocks> I hope they will find it and reroute to the next flight
[15:06] <didrocks> but I guess no news before tomorrow morning :/
[15:06] <seb128> "fun"
[15:07] <didrocks> yeah…
[17:39] <willcooke> night all
[19:14] <andyrock> ninght all!
[19:25] <seb128> night


[01:15] <jbicha> Trevinho: I pushed mutter and gnome-shell 3.28.1 to salsa
[01:16] <jbicha> of course, our gnome-shell has diverged from Debian so you don't need to push patches there now


[00:46] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: poing
[00:57] <kristian-aalborg> private?
[00:58] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: sure... you can PM me anytime
[04:36] <Elise001> Seidos?
[04:39] <philipballew> Elise001, I dont think hes on
[04:39] <Elise001> Thanks.
[04:40] <Unit193> He isn't online right now.
[04:43] <philipballew> Elise001, you can usually on most irc apps look to the side and see if a person you want is on. or start typing their name and use tab completion to see if it finishes the name. if it does, their online
[04:44] <Elise001> Thanks,philipballew.
[04:44] <philipballew> anytime Elise001 :)
[07:02] <philipballew> if i'm formating my external drive. what would be the best filesystem to format it to. ext3 or say 4?
[07:02] <philipballew> or something else?
[07:04] <krusi> depends on what you will use it for, if for linux data storage only i use ext3
[07:04] <bioterror> ext4 is the golden path
[07:04] <krusi> for some reason, ext4 didn't impress me :)
[07:05] <philipballew> im gonna set it up to rsync my desktop
[07:07] <st33med> krusi, ext4 greatly improves read and write speeds
[07:08] <krusi> and can greatly improve on write errors on crashes :)
[07:08] <st33med> It's generally better. philipballew, if you only use linux to read and write to the drive,  that's fine
[07:08] <krusi> considering that SW is developed more poorly every day
[07:08] <st33med> krusi, SW?
[07:08] <krusi> software
[07:08] <st33med> um...
[07:09] <philipballew> yeah. i had it as ntfs and it crashed on me
[07:09] <st33med> philipballew, if you want to access the filesystem with windows, it can't read ext4 or ext3 systems.
[07:09] <philipballew> now i have to find a copy of windows to fix it.
[07:09] <krusi> poor software -> more crashes-> more problems :)
[07:09] <philipballew> i dont have a copy of windows on my laptop
[07:10] <st33med> krusi, I'm still not getting where ext4 falls into poor software
[07:10] <Error404NotFound> windows rules!
[07:10] <st33med> It's a partition
[07:11] <philipballew> Error404NotFound, yes. good thing to put on the ubuntu channel
[07:11] <bioterror> krusi seems to be feeding fud
[07:11] <krusi> it's not directly related to partition, the fact is that poor software causes crashes and unintended crashes tend to have unwritten data on ext4, unless they fixed this caching
[07:11] <Error404NotFound> lol
[07:12] <st33med> krusi, that write is up to debugging software
[07:12] <st33med> Not the partition itself
[07:13] <krusi> well..if you can disable delayed allocation it would be good i guess :)
[07:13] <krusi> but with this disabled,you get performance hit again
[07:14] <bioterror> someone is about to use external drive and you wonder performance
[07:15] <bioterror> as we can assume he is using USB2.0
[07:15] <philipballew> i am
[07:15] <philipballew> two point zero
[07:15] <bioterror> geee what talk
[07:15] <st33med> Oh you are right
[07:15] <st33med> But the standard consumer isn't going to worry that much about it.
[07:16] <philipballew> im not the standard
[07:16] <krusi> ahh..don't get me started on external disks :P
[07:16] <philipballew> the standard doesnt ask questions at 12 in the morning on irc
[07:16] <bioterror> krusi, go ahead and start
[07:16] <krusi> a bit too early, need to grab some coffee first :)
[07:17] <philipballew> its 12 here. the world is big
[07:17] <krusi> it seems bigger at 9am :P
[07:18] <philipballew> where are you?
[07:18] <bioterror> slovenia he is from
[07:18] <philipballew> california myself
[07:19] <philipballew> its hotter then aferica here
[07:19] <bioterror> than
[07:19] <bioterror> its your native language
[07:20] <philipballew> english here. well mostly
[12:04] <duanedesign> morning all
[12:05] <duanedesign> morning stlsaint
[12:05] <AlphaPsi> Hello, I was wondering if anybody knew a way to create Flash Games on Ubuntu. On windows there was FlashDevelop, but that is only for Windows. Is there an Ubuntu equivalent?
[12:05] <duanedesign> hmm, i am not sure
[12:07] <AlphaPsi> Hmm, I was wondering if there was a way to create flash games like with Flash Develop. I really like Ubuntu, and I don't want to keep switching to Windows everytime I wanted to create something.
[12:09] <AlphaPsi> Hmm I found this tutorial to use FlashDevelop on Ubuntu, but I would need to use Wine, and I have no idea how to use wine. :/
[12:10] <AlphaPsi> http://www.flashdevelop.org/community/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=7535
[12:24] <coalwater> AlphaPsi, u just install wine and then it auto starts with any .exe file
[12:24] <AlphaPsi> It says there are there Windtricks or something you have to install. What are those?
[12:26] <coalwater> wine tricks is another package
[12:26] <coalwater> i think both are in the software center
[21:47] <sdollins> Hihi.
[21:47] <sdollins> I'm using 2 monitors and when I have the secondary monitor connected, the cursor speed (left and right only) is super fast but it's slow up and down. Is there any way to make it be the same?
[22:41] <fedy> hello I am some what new to Ubuntu os and I looking for resources to learn Ubuntu
[22:42] <sdollins> Like a book?
[22:42] <fedy> what does the beginning team do?
[22:42] <fedy> I check out your website
[22:43] <sdollins> http://www.amazon.com/Ubuntu-11-04-Desktop-Applications-Administration/dp/1936280280/
[22:43] <sdollins> I've read some his books and they were pretty good so I imagine that would be.
[22:44] <fedy> ty i check it
[22:49] <fedy> I see the book is cheaper if you buy it in Kindle edition.
[22:56] <sdollins> yeah lol
[22:56] <sdollins> I'm not sure the kindle reader works on linux though.
[22:58] <FireBeard> sorry, just had to check if I had the name of this channel right :)
[22:58] <FireBeard> bye
[23:01] <fedy> I been reading the Ubuntu guide on the community documentation site http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/All_Versions
[23:01] <fedy> Its is helpful
[23:19] <AlphaPsi> Hello everyone, in Wine, how do I create a new wine prefix? I heard that you can just rename the .wine folder, is that true/corect ?
[23:28] <geirha> AlphaPsi: Yes, if .wine doesn't exist, it'll just create a new one.
[23:28] <AlphaPsi> Ah I see, thank you
[23:30] <geirha> You can also tell it to use a different directory, e.g.:  export WINEPREFIX="$HOME/.wine World of Warcraft"; wine wowinstaller.exe
[23:33] <geirha> I find that useful as you may need different configuration for each game/program
[23:42] <AlphaPsi> geirha, what do you mean?
[23:44] <geirha> Games in particular may need tweeking of graphics, sound and library settings in winecfg, but such changes may break other games/programs
[23:45] <geirha> So giving them each their own wineprefix solves that.
[23:46] <AlphaPsi> How would I do that, just use your command?
[23:46] <AlphaPsi> geirha would that create a new wine folder? or?
[23:46] <AlphaPsi> Sorry I'm new to Wine and Ubuntu in general
[23:47] <geirha> Yes, it would.
[23:48] <AlphaPsi> Ah I see, what would the name of the folder be?
[23:49] <geirha> Whatever you set in the WINEPREFIX environment variable
[23:49] <AlphaPsi> export WINEPREFIX="$HOME/.wine World of Warcraft"   would make it World Of Warcraft?
[23:50] <geirha> WINEPREFIX=~/.wine-starcraft wine /media/cdrom/setup.exe
[23:51] <geirha> That would create a folder ".wine-starcraft" in your homefolder, with it's own C: and such, and then it runs setup.exe from the cdrom you have inserted.
[23:52] <AlphaPsi> Do I need to put the export in front? What does export do?
[23:53] <geirha> Not in the last one. That one will run the command ''wine /media/cdrom/setup.exe'' with WINEPREFIX=... added to its environment.
[23:54] <geirha> wine will look for WINEPREFIX in its environment, and use it if it exists, otherwise it'll use the default value, ~/.wine
[23:55] <geirha> export var=value will add an environment variable to the shell's environment.
[23:56] <geirha> And any commands you run from that shell after that, will inherit the shell's environment variables.
[23:57] <AlphaPsi> Weird
[23:57] <AlphaPsi> I installed Wine
[23:57] <AlphaPsi> but I don't see the .wine folder
[23:57] <geirha> PlayOnLinux uses separate wineprefixes for each game/program it installs I think.
[23:57] <AlphaPsi> Even though I can see other hidden folders
[23:58] <geirha> It won't be created before wine tries to open it.
[23:58] <geirha> Installing or removing a package will *never* change any of the files in your homedir
[23:58] <AlphaPsi> Oh okay, so I actually don't need to create a new wineprefix for the very first time? because it'll automatically create it right?
[23:59] <geirha> Yes.
[23:59] <AlphaPsi> Ah I see, sorry I'm very new to Ubuntu


[00:19] <tsimonq2> pleia2: \o/ Ars Technica article featuring Ubuntu
[00:25] <pleia2> it's been known to happen :)
[00:28] <tsimonq2> pleia2: worth adding in UWN? how-to featuring Ubuntu...
[00:30] <pleia2> you can add it to the press section and we'll evaluate later
[00:31] <tsimonq2> k


 The "address" of my pi is I believe to be a mixture of my ip and mac address for better security. Is there a way to actually figure out my pi's ip without actually messing with the router because I'm not in the mood to have a whole new setup in another part of the house via lan. I prefer wireless
[00:33] <vickerswt> I need to be able to see through the ipv6 address
[01:55] <bray90820> So I am on ubuntu mate in a raspberry pi B+ and I am getting 100% cpu usage with the web browser
[01:58] <KTrad> sounds about right
[01:59] <bray90820> Just moving the mouse gives me 25%
[02:00] <bray90820> Any way to reduce it?
[02:03] <bray90820> I was hoping to be able to use the thing as a headless music server
[02:04] <bray90820> KTrad:
[05:00] <bray90820> Would a pi zero be good enough to run ubuntu mate for a headless music server?
[06:43] <Guest74106> hi guest
[07:32] <alkisg> flexiondotorg: hi, in recent Ubuntu versions, ubuntu-mate-desktop doesn't depend on e.g. tlp at all, and only recommends e.g. ubuntu-welcome etc. I'd like to file an SRU for 16.04, to lower some of the dependencies to recommendations or remove them completely. I can do the paperwork as long as you, as the upstream maintainer, agrees with that...
[07:32] <alkisg> An example is that tlp causes shutdown issues, disables WOL, and has a lot of other side effects, and we can't remove it...
[07:41] <DocSluggo> Hello, all. I'm a self-admitted newb who's barely scratching the surface of Linux computing.
[07:48] <flexiondotorg> alkisg I think updating TLP would be sensisble.
[07:49] <alkisg> flexiondotorg: ok, I'll file an SRU to update ubuntu-mate-desktop, ty
[07:49] <flexiondotorg> alkisg No need to update ubuntu-mate-desktop
[07:49] <alkisg> flexiondotorg: the issue is that ubuntu-mate-desktop depends on tlp
[07:49] <flexiondotorg> If you land the changes to TLP, that don't require a MTA.
[07:49] <alkisg> And we can't remove tlp
[07:50] <alkisg> We don't have to change anything at  all in tlp itself
[07:50] <flexiondotorg> alkisg Rightm you're talking about 16.04.
[07:50] <alkisg> We don't know or care about how to fix it
[07:50] <alkisg> Yup
[07:50] <flexiondotorg> What is thew issue with TLP in 16.04?
[07:50] <alkisg> It sometimes blocks systemd shutdown
[07:50] <alkisg> It disables wake on lan
[07:50] <alkisg> And some other side effects which I didn't bother to look into
[07:50] <flexiondotorg> I dropped it's inclusion in 16.10 (I think) because it now requires an MTA.
[07:51] <alkisg> The point is, there are some packages that 16.04 users don't want, but can't remove because of ubuntu-mate-desktop dependencies
[07:51] <flexiondotorg> alkisg OK, feel free to submit the SRU for ubuntu-mate-desktop.
[07:51] <alkisg> These were fixed in later versions
[07:51] <alkisg> So I just want to backport those...
[07:51] <alkisg> Cool, ty
[07:51] <ouroumov> tlp also has caused issues with USB-connected devices in 16.04
[07:51] <ouroumov> Such as printers.
[07:54] <alkisg> To be clear, the SRU isn't only about TLP, but about lowering ubuntu-mate-welcome to recommends instead of depends, and backporting other similar changes in ubuntu-mate-desktop too
[07:59] <ouroumov> flexiondotorg, while we're talking SRUs, the guys who submitted this patch has been waiting on a 200$ bounty for a while: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/1641912
[08:05] <Sunil_176047> hi
[08:05] <ouroumov> Hello Sunil_176047
[08:07] <Sunil_176047> some body help me to install flash player for ubuntu...
[08:07] <ouroumov> Sunil_176047, you can do that from the software boutique.
[08:07] <ouroumov> Make sure the software boutique itself is up to date.
[08:07] <Sunil_176047> ok let me try
[08:08] <ouroumov> "Set to retrieve the latest software listings" should be checked.
[08:08] <ouroumov> You will find Flash under the "Internet" Section
[08:45] <command> Good morning all
[08:46] <Guest29342> Good morning all
[08:47] <ouroumov> Hello command / Guest29342
[12:52] <X-Seti> hello, I have some issues between upgrading from Ubuntu-Mate 16.04 to U..Mate17.04. I know of the issues between gtk2/gtk3 and the headache around the community but with the theme I have/ had on ubuntu16.04 I have lost settings where windows now have the wrong colors (some are just white with unreliable text menus). gtk2/3 info around the web seems to a little outdated??
[13:49] <sixwheeledbeast^> From what I recall 17.04 is the first update with all packages moved over to GTK3. Can you explain your issue a little better or link some screenshots?
[13:56] <X-Seti> screenshots. ok just a sec
[14:03] <X-Seti> trying to take a srceenshot with a dropdown menu open.
[14:13] <X-Seti> uploading screenshots. I had taken them from my original machine that still runs 16.04 and now 17.04
[14:20] <X-Seti> Sorry for the time taken, slow uploading
[14:20] <X-Seti> https://s25.postimg.org/d2d8j021r/ubuntumate16.04.png
[14:20] <X-Seti> https://s25.postimg.org/nb5potq3j/ubuntumate17.04.png
[14:21] <X-Seti> now I mananged to change the top status bar to green from white in the .theme/ and .gtk settings but betyond that nothing else seems to want to be changed.
[14:27] <X-Seti> getting things to even look like it was on 16.04 is hard.. GTK2 -> GTK3 a lot of unsupported values. no theme colors in desktop [change desktop]
[14:28] <Headzup> hello
[14:29] <sixwheeledbeast^> so it's the background of the drop menus not coloured grey on white?
[14:31] <X-Seti> pretty much or the ability to change this
[14:32] <sixwheeledbeast^> Is this a downloaded theme or your own?
[14:32] <X-Seti> things coloured as white bg with text the same color.
[14:33] <X-Seti> my own.
[14:33] <X-Seti> i used to make alot of old gtk2 themes.
[14:33] <X-Seti> now im back to find and now relearn some stuff.
[14:34] <X-Seti> ubuntumate16.04 is what its meant to be. I can live without the green menus or faded green bar. but see the windows at least.
[14:35] <X-Seti> seems they have updated GTK3 without releasing  much in the lay for  people to make themes.
[14:36] <X-Seti> default standard themes work out the box. so im looking at the configs to see whats new.
[14:41] <sixwheeledbeast^> Is this the same with drop downs in all programs including the default packages
[14:42] <X-Seti> gnomemenu dropdowns are ok.
[14:43] <X-Seti> its progran windows. check which
[14:43] <X-Seti> VLC is fine.  maybe its own classes.
[14:44] <X-Seti> Hexchat. isnt
[14:44] <sixwheeledbeast^> I am thinking some programs are GTK2 and some GTK3 or the like?
[14:44] <X-Seti> liboffice is fine. its hit and miss with different programs
[14:52] <X-Seti> brb
[14:57] <X-Seti> filezilla, hexchat. and some others.
[14:58] <X-Seti> ill uninstall them for now and write to them about my findings.
[15:02] <X-Seti> Audacious. dolphine emu.. finding others now.
[15:15] <X-Seti> worked it out. pretty simple.
[15:15] <X-Seti> GTK2 mostly is being overridden. any programs still using GTK2 is being ignored
[15:32] <daniel__> Hola
[15:32] <daniel__> Buenas Tardes
[15:47] <DarkPsydeLord> hola


[01:39] <GeorgeIoak2> anyone gone through creating a custom boot-up splash screen, the blue one with the lubuntu text/logo?
[02:44] <phillw> GeorgeIoak2: I have not, but it is documented.
[02:44] <phillw> I can go pull the wiki area for you, if you want.
[02:47] <user9003> Lubuntu 12.04 refuses to copy a .mp3 file to ~/Music
[02:47] <user9003> Trying to copy from USB drive to ~/Music
[02:47] <user9003> no can do.
[02:48] <user9003> Drag n drop doesn't work
[02:48] <phillw> user9003: what are the permissions on ~/Music ?
[02:50] <user9003> set to user1
[02:50] <user9003> i can copy via the console, but not my mouse.
[02:51] <user9003> should i chmod  +rwx the whole /home/user1 directory?
[02:53] <phillw> user9003: what version of lubuntu are you using?
[02:53] <user9003> 12.04 live cd installed to hd.
[02:54] <phillw> it was a known bug, but is  now fixed.
[02:54] <user9003> what's the fix?
[02:54] <phillw> ahh, 12.04
[02:55] <phillw> you may need to grab the later pcmanfm, let me do a little digging for you.
[02:55] <user9003> would sudo apt-get upgrade fix it?
[02:57] <phillw> user9003: no, in this case it will not.
[02:58] <phillw> if you wish to stick to 12.04 then you will need to add the lubuntu repo to your system.
[02:59] <phillw> user9003: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/+archive/staging?field.series_filter=precise has the list of the newest versions that have been released for precise.
[03:00] <phillw> it also has instructions as to how to get them. IMHO, I'd suggest updating to 12.10.
[03:01] <user9003> Looks a bit risky adding an unsupported repo.   But i'm happy to use rox-filer or some other file manager then make it the default.
[03:02] <phillw> user9003: that repo is from the lubuntu developers :) Whilst adding unknown repos is not advised, that one is the exception to the rule :)
[03:04] <user9003> ok.  adding to sources.
[03:04] <phillw> user9003: look at https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev it is owned by the 'boss' of lubuntu development, https://launchpad.net/~gilir
[03:05] <user9003> can't argue with the boss then.  ;- )
[03:06] <phillw> user9003: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing/PPA_Testing has some further details of adding and removing repos. But, i assure you, that ppa is very safe :)
[03:07] <user9003> did i need to comment out any default repos in sources.list ?
[03:07] <user9003> Added lauchpad to my source.list >  apt-get update >  apt-get upgrade.
[03:08] <phillw> user9003: no, if you follow the instructions it will be added.
[03:10] <phillw> yeah, those two commands will 1) get the database updated, 2) install the new stuff.
[03:10] <phillw> I'l brb... ~ 5 mins.
[03:16] <phillw> back
[03:16] <user9003> Fixed!
[03:17] <phillw> good to hear! Lubuntu does not have enough devs to provide LTS, but quite a bit does get put onto that area.
[03:20] <phillw> you can safely leave that repo on your system, I'm not sure if and when the team will update it, but if they do you will receive it as part of updates. Your kernel / browser is looked after be 'main' and you will receive updates for those.
[03:20] <phillw> s/be/by/
[03:22] <user9003> Copying works fine now via pcmanfm.
[03:22] <user9003> Will take note of the fix.  Thanks.
[03:23] <phillw> it was a known bug. I do suggest that you update to 12.10 fully. (usual rules of taking a backup do apply).
[03:25] <phillw> lubuntu is still quite new, so there are some fairly important (usability) issues addressed each release.
[03:32] <user9003> Problem #2.   I have a USB audio device "C-Media Electronics, Inc.  Audio Adapter (Planet  UP-100, Genius G-Talk)
[03:33] <user9003> No sound.  Selected with alsamixer > F6.  Silent.
[03:34] <phillw> user9003: do you want a battle or an easy fix?
[03:36] <user9003> easy fix first
[03:37] <user9003> I'm checking modinfo snd_usb_audio and the /sys directory to make sure it's enabled.
[03:37] <user9003> Which is is.
[03:37] <user9003> it is enabled as the enable parameter says:  Y,Y,Y,Y,  etc
[03:38] <phillw> user9003: head over to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Setup#Sound
[03:39] <user9003> tested aplay with audio samples in /usr/share/sounds/alsa.  Silent.
[03:39] <user9003> Bought this device on ebay and the seller said it was compatible with linux.
[03:40] <phillw> user9003: you may need to install pulseaudio, that is covered on the link I posted.
[03:44] <user9003> Can pulse be installed simply with apt-get ?
[03:45] <phillw> user9003: yes.
[03:45] <phillw> sudo apt-get install libasound2-plugins "pulseaudio-*" paman padevchooser paprefs pavucontrol pavumeter
[03:46] <phillw> that will install the entire suite.
[03:47] <user9003> ok
[03:48] <user9003> Package padevchooser is not available
[03:48] <user9003> spelt correct?
[03:49] <user9003> i could delete that if unneccessary
[03:52] <user9003> installing without padevchooser....
[03:53] <phillw> user9003: that was a copy and paste from a wiki page... I'll chack to see if it is a typo (we are human!)
[03:55] <user9003> padevchooser is probably obsolete and removed.
[03:55] <user9003> so i skipped it.
[03:55] <user9003> Testing USB device.  If i don't respond then my PC froze ;- )
[03:56] <phillw> I cannot see it on my 12.10 install, I'll mark the page as needing an update and pass it onto the team who look after audio. thank-you for pointing out that it needs updating :)
[04:00] <user9003> Works!
[04:00] <user9003> Selected my device in pavucontrol and got sound.
[04:01] <user9003> now to set this device as system default on reboot.
[04:02] <user9003> I want it so when i hot plug the device it auto-enables in pulse.
[04:03] <user9003> Audio Loud and clear. Thanks!  Just added value to this PC.
[04:04] <user9003> Rebooting. Test again.
[04:10] <phillw> user9003: you're back!
[04:10] <cixelsyd> hello
[04:10] <phillw> welcome cixelsyd
[04:11] <phillw> !ask
[04:11] <cixelsyd> i'm trying to get my wireless working, this is a fresh install of lubuntu
[04:11] <phillw> !wifi
[04:11] <cixelsyd> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:12] <cixelsyd> sry didn't mean to send that
[04:12] <cixelsyd> i was trying to cp it
[04:12] <phillw> cixelsyd: I'm not being harsh, but those docs are more up to date than I am :)
[04:13] <phillw> cixelsyd: my guess is that you have a broadcom device, in which case you do really to read them!
[04:14] <phillw> *do really need to read them*
[04:14] <cixelsyd> phillw: indeed i do have a broadcom card
[04:15] <phillw> cixelsyd: that link will get you up and running :)
[04:16] <phillw> it is the only WiFi chip that causes problems (owing to them not releasing the code for linux fully).
[04:16] <cixelsyd> phillw: according to this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCardsBroadcom my card should work out of the box
[04:18] <phillw> cixelsyd: have a read through the wiki area. I long ago learned that not everything broadcom says is completely true.
[04:19] <phillw> cixelsyd: if the wiki area is not helping, get in touch with the experts :) http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=336
[04:20] <phillw> In that team, I trust. If you see an error / problem in their wiki area, please do mention it to them and they will get it updated.
[04:20] <cixelsyd> phillw: i don't have time to way for forum replies. this isn't my computer, its my cousins moms computer and i will be leaving back home tomorrow... if i leave this computer with out wireless shes gonna be pissed
[04:20] <cixelsyd> to wait*
[04:21] <phillw> cixelsyd: then I can only suggest http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2090138
[04:21] <cixelsyd> and i was trying to tell her how much better linux is than windows and talked her into letting me put linux on her computer and if the wireless doesn't work and i leave shes going to hate it
[04:22] <phillw> cixelsyd: you have never heard of dual booting? :(
[04:22] <phillw> user9003: well, something must be working.... you're back :)
[04:23] <cixelsyd> phillw: didn't have the windows cd... i told her if she let me put linux on here she'd never have to worry about viruses again that she wouldn't even need an AV
[04:23] <phillw> cixelsyd: As I also do not have a CD, I can only suggest http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2090138
[04:25] <user9003> Problem #3:   NO audio with youtube.com.  But audio works with VLC and .mp3
[04:25] <phillw> they deal with these issues every day and are best placed to answer your questions.
[04:26] <user9003> phillw:  Got my usb device working with pulse, but problem #3 above.
[04:26] <user9003> Most audio devices have a "video" volume in alsamixer, but my device seems to be missing it.
[04:27] <user9003> I think "video" is related to internet video playback.
[04:27] <phillw> user9003: are you using the new html5 version of youtune?
[04:27] <phillw> *youtube*
[04:27] <user9003> probably not.
[04:27] <user9003> will test...brb
[04:27] <phillw> I'd suggest it, it is better than the flash version
[04:29] <phillw> user9003: http://www.youtube.com/html5
[04:29] <user9003> tested html5....still no sound.
[04:29] <phillw> I'm signed into the tests (Well, I am a tester). I've not seen any problems... it just works.
[04:30] <user9003> pavucontrol is missing "video" volume settings
[04:32] <user9003> Definitely no audo from flash video or html5.
[04:33] <phillw> user9003: I'm just a 'general' tester, head over to http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=334 for more details and be able to ask specific questions. I can't really help on issues that I'm not familiar with. Honest, my Australian guest, I'm not trying to "pass the buck". Just that area will be better able to help you as they are the experts :)
[04:33] <phillw> Heck, I've not too bad with your questions :D
[04:34] <phillw> *I've not done too bad*
[04:34] <user9003> Thanks, you helped alot.. Got my mp3's and pcmanfm working at least. :- )
[04:35] <phillw> two out of three is not a bad score :)
[04:35] <user9003> as meatloaf would say "2 out of 3 ain't bad"
[04:35] <phillw> +1
[04:36] <phillw> should I warn the forum area that you may actually love them if they make it 3 out of 3? :P
[04:37] <user9003> ;- )    I'm off to #ubuntu.
[04:37] <phillw> I'd suggest the forum, more chance of getting an expert.
[04:39] <phillw> #ubuntu-beginners does also have good people, it is a quieter area with less people on - but the ratio of helpers :: needing help is higher.
[04:42] <cixelsyd> phillw: i'm trying to install those drivers that are listed in that forum you sent me.. it's just hanging on W: Waited for dpkg --assert-multi-arch but it wasn't there - dpkgGo (10: No child processes) what does that mean?
[04:45] <cixelsyd> firmware-b43-lpphy-installer
[04:47] <cixelsyd> nm i figured it out
[04:48] <cixelsyd> brb gonna reboot
[04:48] <phillw> I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.
[04:52] <cixelsyd> phillw: i need an on$creen keyboard.. $ome of the key$  i need aren't working and i need to change the pa$$word before i reboot but it won't let me copy and pa$te the pa$$word into the terminal... $omeone ju$t $pilled a drink on it a lil bit ago.. $ome of the character$ i need for the pa$$word do not work lol
[04:54] <phillw> cixelsyd: keep the beer away from k3yb0@rd5 !!!
[04:54] <wxl> cixelsyd: it would seem to me if anyone's going to know how to deal with that it's phillw as he's the accessibility guy :)
[04:55] <cixelsyd> i need to change the pa$$word to $omething that i$nt mi$$ing ha ha howd you know it wa$ a beer? the keyboard on thi$ laptop i$ already effed up they are u$ing a u$b keyboard and now the u$b keyboard i effed up too
[04:56] <cixelsyd> i$*
[04:58] <phillw> cixelsyd: as it now 0500 here, and I was leaving at 0300, I will leave you and your system to the tender mercies of the next shift :)
[04:58] <cixelsyd> i'm able to copy character$ and then pa$te them to make the pa$$word but when i run pa$$wd from a terminal and try to pa$te the pa$$word it $ay$ Authentication token manipulation error
[04:58] <phillw> g'nite :)
[05:01] <cixelsyd> can i cut the wire on a p$2 keyboard and cut the wire on thi$ u$b keyboard and $plice them together?
[06:11] <guest-5ZuglF> phillw: you got my cou$in$ mom$ wirele$$ working\.\. thank$ a lot man\. $he will be happy now but pi$$ed about the keyboard lol the keyboard wa$ not my fault tho
[09:50] <zleap> hi what do i use to switch to a vga monitor output in lubuntu from a laptop / netbook
[09:51] <jude01> System Tools > Monitor Settings
[09:52] <jude01> *i meant Preferences > Monitor Settings
[09:55] <zleap> ok that allows me to turn them on, is there a key combo to switch
[09:56] <jude01> switch what?
[09:56] <zleap> from laptop output to vga
[09:57] <zleap> monitor settings does not appear to have a option to set the output
[09:58] <zleap> ok i may try rebooting to make sure its detected prop  rly,
[09:58] <zleap> it is now enabled,
[09:58] <jude01>  you can set custom keybindings in openbox via something like what is described here http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Bindings you could have it execute xrandr plus settings
[09:59] <jude01> http://divby0.blogspot.com/2008/12/switching-monitors-with-xrandr.html
[10:03] <zleap> ok thanks
[10:15] <jude01> if you want a gui then i would recommend xbindkeys-config
[10:18] <zleap> ok
[11:27] <rix1234> Hi........ Anyone please help me with LikeWise AD authentication.
[15:40] <holstein> Kuroda_Shun: i dont usually use the sharing data functionality of the destkop sharing applications.. i tend to just mount ssh shares or whatever i have and do it sepearately
[15:40] <holstein> what are you wanting to do??
[16:03] <Kuroda_Shun> holstein: i corrected the issue yesterday by just mounting a network share in my script.
[16:07] <holstein> Kuroda_Shun: cheers!
[17:11] <cixelsyd> phillw: hey man i just wanted to thank you again for helping last night
[17:59] <phillw> cixelsyd: it's what we're here for :)
[20:11] <cixelsyd> how do i add this to the repository.. it says deb not found.. deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/gregory-hainaut/pcsx2.official.ppa/ubuntu quantal main  - and this deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/gregory-hainaut/pcsx2.official.ppa/ubuntu quantal main
[20:13] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/~gregory-hainaut/+archive/pcsx2.official.ppa is the PPA, and normal method is  sudo apt-add-repository ppa:gregory-hainaut/pcsx2.official.ppa   then refresh sources (apt-get update)
[20:22] <cixelsyd> Unit193: thanks man
[20:23] <Unit193> Sure thing.
[20:34] <tempuser> Hello, everybody.  I just installed lubuntu for the 1st time, and my mouse wheel doesn't work.  I can't be the 1st person this has happened to, but I couldn't find the solution online.  Any help, please?
[20:39] <phillw> tempuser: have a look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1817502
[20:44] <tempuser> synclient give me:
[20:44] <tempuser> Couldn't find synaptics properties. No synaptics driver loaded?
[20:45] <tempuser> Just to clarify, my scroll wheel doesn't seem to work at all, in any program.
[20:51] <tempuser> And gpointing-device-settings doesn't seem to change anything (wheel related, anyway)
[21:04] <holstein> tempuser: sometimes i try the ubuntu normal live CD
[21:04] <holstein> assuming it works with a heavy normal distro, then you can look and see what is supporting the hardware
[21:04] <holstein> for me, i chose to start gnome services, for my touchpad
[21:05] <holstein> i have always had the hardware mousewheels just work though.. i would take it to another machine and make sure the wheel is functional
[21:18] <tempuser> I know the wheel is functional.  I suppose I should have added previously, that I've installed lubuntu in a VirtualBox VM (within ubuntu).  But, since lubuntu is based on ubuntu, there shouldn't be a problem with hardware being recognized in one and not the other, right?  So I thought.
[21:19] <holstein> tempuser: lubuntu *is* ubuntu... but the packages are probably not in lubuntu that you need for the hardware support you are seeking
[21:20] <tempuser> How can I find out what relevant packages I already have installed in my ubuntu build, so I can install them in the lubuntu VM?
[21:20] <holstein> what i usually do is run the normal ubuntu live CD and see what is providing support
[21:21] <holstein> the link phillw gave seems like where i would start
[21:22] <tempuser> I tried that, but gpointing-device-settings doesn't seem to have an effect, and synclient tells me no synaptics driver is loaded.
[21:22] <tempuser> I suppose I could install a synaptics driver, but would that help with my mouse?
[21:23] <holstein> i cant imagine it hurting.. and its installed in main ubuntu.. is that what you need?? i dont think so
[21:26] <tempuser> I can't even find in ubuntu anything related to the mouse driver or mouse wheel.
[21:28] <holstein> tempuser: correct.. because it usually "just works"
[21:28] <tempuser> holstein:  Right, which is why I'm so confused now with it not working in lubuntu!
[21:29] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/59128/how-to-disable-mouse-wheel-scroll-in-ubuntu-11-04-or-10-10
[21:29] <tempuser> BTW, scrolling on the touchpad also doesn't work.
[21:29] <holstein> tempuser: something is missing.. or you have broken it with something else
[21:29] <holstein> tempuser: those things *always* just work for me
[21:30] <holstein> tempuser: maybe try the installation cd you used live and see that you havent broken something
[21:30] <holstein> tempuser: try as another user
[21:30] <holstein> try searching "disable scroll whell"
[21:30] <holstein> you *can* get this functionality assuming the wheel is functional.. it'll just be a matter of troubleshooting why its not working
[21:32] <tempuser> During install, it also didn't work in the language list, but I figured it was just the install program.
[21:32] <tempuser> I searched all kinds of "scroll not working," "doesn't work," etc., but not disable; that's another plan.
[21:32] <tempuser> Good idea with trying another user, I'll try that now.
[21:36] <tempuser> No go on changing users.  Even tried lubuntu netbook.
[21:41] <holstein> lubuntu netbook is not a different user
[21:41] <holstein> how about from the live CD?
[21:44] <tempuser> I made a new user, logged in -> no wheel.  Logged in as lubuntu netboot -> no wheel.  I tried web browser, file->open dialog, etc., no go.
[21:44] <holstein> and with the live CD?
[21:46] <tempuser> Well, when I booted from the CD image, I chose the installer, & it didn't work there.
[21:47] <holstein> tempuser: how is the wheel with the live CD?
[21:47] <holstein> the live destkop
[21:47] <holstein> when you boot the installer disc to the live desktop, without installing.. or booting the OS on the hard drive
[21:48] <holstein> the live environment
[21:48] <tempuser> uh oh, I'll be back.  My baby just peed on me, lol.
[22:03] <tempuser> Alright, confirmed that the wheel also does not work when simply booting off the live CD.
[22:04] <holstein> tempuser: ok.. so its not something you have broken, certainly
[22:05] <tempuser> The wheel works in all of the following VMs:
[22:05] <holstein> tempuser: VM doesnt matter
[22:05] <holstein> the host is forwarding the information along
[22:06] <tempuser> linux mint cinnamon, linux mint mate, OS X, Win 8
[22:06] <tempuser> works in native Windows 7 & ubuntu
[22:06] <holstein> right.. so, you can look at ubuntu, and see what is supporting the mouse
[22:06] <holstein> i chose to install and use gnome serives
[22:07] <tempuser> you mean gnome in lubuntu?
[22:07] <holstein> tempuser: no. i mean just that.. gnome services. in my ubuntu that i am running openbox on
[22:20] <tempuser> holstein:  Can you briefly explain what you mean by gnome services?  I can't find what that is.
[22:21] <tempuser> Oh, and the xinput thing didnt' work.  It looks like it's set correctly.
[22:22] <holstein> i start "gnome-settings-daemon"
[22:23] <holstein> tempuser: you can see that its installed, and run it from the terminal. see if that just deals with this issue for you, then you can decide to use it or not
[22:25] <tempuser> It's done.  Now, how can I know if it's worked?  Do I need to log out & in?  check/change some settings?
[22:26] <holstein> whats done?
[22:26] <tempuser> oh, it's installed
[22:26] <holstein> gnome-settings-daemon ?
[22:26] <tempuser> gnome-settings-daemon
[22:26] <tempuser> yes
[22:26] <holstein> i would start it from the command line and see if it helps or not
[22:27] <holstein> you can easily kill it if not, and regroup
[22:27] <tempuser> got a bunch of warnings
[22:28] <holstein> sure... thats fine.. does it "fix" anything for you?
[22:28] <tempuser> The first warning is that you can only run one xsettings manager at a time.
[22:28] <tempuser> Scroll wheel still doesn't work.
[22:28] <holstein> so, you might want to undo what you did, and test
[22:28] <tempuser> ok
[22:28] <holstein> or, just run the live CD, install gnome-settings-daemon, and test there
[22:28] <holstein> since we dont know that this will effect it or not
[22:29] <holstein> what would i do? just not use the wheel
[22:30] <tempuser> What if I installed ubuntu, then installed lxde on top of it?
[22:30] <tempuser> I like my wheel :)
[22:30] <holstein> tempuser: you can try, but its likely a setting in the sessions
[22:30] <holstein> tempuser: i installed ubuntu, switched to openbox, which LXDE uses.. and somethings didnt work
[22:31] <holstein> using gnome-settings-daemon was arguably the easiest way to "fix" it all
[22:31] <holstein> i use "fix" in quotes since nothing is borken
[22:32] <tempuser> Thanks a lot for your help.  I have to go now, but I may be back!
[22:32] <holstein> tempuser: please do... i can try and find some hardware that the whell doesnt work on
[22:32] <holstein> and mess with settings
[22:32] <holstein> when i have more time.. cheers!
[22:56] <Ez0v3rR1d3> ok i got a question any help
[22:56] <Ez0v3rR1d3> genii
[22:56] <Ez0v3rR1d3> u got ur ears on
[22:57] <holstein> !ask
[22:58] <Ez0v3rR1d3> i downloaded artistx in my terminal but now when i try to run the program it says its none existant how do i find it to use it again
[22:59] <holstein> artistx is an iso
[22:59] <holstein> or what are you oing?
[22:59] <Ez0v3rR1d3> ok so what should i do to get it on my lubuntu
[22:59] <holstein> doing*
[22:59] <holstein> get what?
[22:59] <Ez0v3rR1d3> artistx
[22:59] <holstein> artistx is a distro
[22:59] <Ez0v3rR1d3> or cinelerra i got it as well
[22:59] <holstein> most of the same packages will be in lubuntu
[23:00] <holstein> not similar, but the exact same versions
[23:00] <Ez0v3rR1d3> ok so how do i find them
[23:00] <Ez0v3rR1d3> i am new to linux
[23:00] <holstein> the ubuntu repos are what lubuntu used, and AFAIK artistx is an ubuntu based distro, or was when i was checking it out
[23:00] <holstein> Ez0v3rR1d3: you open the package manager of your choice and search for the application you want
[23:01] <holstein> Ez0v3rR1d3: you can search "ubuntustudio" and install our metapackages, which are just "bundled" software applications
[23:01] <holstein> like, ubuntustduio-graphics ..thats has common graphics applications
[23:01] <Ez0v3rR1d3> will it do my movie editing and stuff
[23:01] <holstein> it?
[23:01] <holstein> it wont do anythig
[23:02] <holstein> you can install applications that give you the ability to edit video
[23:02] <holstein> kdenlive is a big one
[23:02] <holstein> you can search kdenlive in the package manager of your choice
[23:03] <Ez0v3rR1d3> i got 2 of them that a straight video editors but i installed it through my term and now i cant find them or get them to run cuz my lubuntu says they dont exist
[23:03] <holstein> Ez0v3rR1d3: if you installed them, they exist
[23:03] <holstein> lubuntu only give error messages
[23:03] <holstein> you can share them if you think that will help
[23:03] <holstein> you can check the lubuntu menu for them
[23:04] <holstein> you can say "i installed 'application name'" and i'll help you start it
[23:04] <Ez0v3rR1d3> /home/dustin/Downloads/artistx_1.3_live_dvd_iso_23_09_2012.iso
[23:04] <holstein> Ez0v3rR1d3: thats not an application
[23:05] <holstein> Ez0v3rR1d3: you can forget about artistx
[23:05] <holstein> thats a different operating system
[23:05] <holstein> if you want artistx, you can install it
[23:05] <holstein> but, its not something you load/run from lubuntu
[23:05] <Ez0v3rR1d3> o ic
[23:05] <holstein> its an operating system.. a different one.. based on ubuntu
[23:05] <holstein> but, you can just install the applications in lubuntu
[23:05] <holstein> sudo apt-get install kdenlive
[23:05] <holstein> sudo apt-get install gime
[23:06] <holstein> sudo apt-get install gimp
[23:06] <holstein> ^
[23:06] <holstein> for example
[23:07] <Ez0v3rR1d3> well cinelerra was the other one and it came and is supported on lubuntu but i cant find it either even with my sudo code
[23:07] <holstein> !sudo
[23:07] <holstein> sudo is not a code
[23:07] <holstein> its a method of elevating your user privelages
[23:07] <GeorgeIoak2> hey holstein, finally figured out my problem. I had to stop lightdm and restart it and then magically everything was working in the script
[23:08] <holstein> anytime you are asked for a password, you should be aware of why you are being prompted
[23:08] <Ez0v3rR1d3> i even ran the whole string and it did the update but when i came to continue the install process it didnt work it said command invalid
[23:08] <holstein> Ez0v3rR1d3: i think cinelerra is removed
[23:09] <holstein> Ez0v3rR1d3: the whole string?
[23:09] <Ez0v3rR1d3> well damn
[23:09] <holstein> Ez0v3rR1d3: it?
[23:09] <holstein> what did what?
[23:09] <holstein> Ez0v3rR1d3: i think you have put in a "sudo apt-get install" command that might have broken something
[23:09] <Ez0v3rR1d3> linux said command invalid on my terminal
[23:09] <holstein> Ez0v3rR1d3: sure
[23:09] <holstein> you might be using a command for another operatin system
[23:10] <holstein> what would i suggest? trying live CD's
[23:10] <Ez0v3rR1d3> if i type the code will u know what is wrong
[23:10] <holstein> try the ubuntustudio live CD.. see what is there you like or want to use
[23:10] <Ez0v3rR1d3> ok
[23:10] <holstein> Ez0v3rR1d3: maybe
[23:10] <GeorgeIoak2> has anyone created and install USB drive of their system? i'd like someone to get my exact setup and they have the same machine. so basically they plug in the usb stick and wipes out windows and installs my custom lubuntu
[23:11] <Ez0v3rR1d3> sudo add-apt- repository ppa:cinelerra- ppa/ppa&& sudo apt- get update && sudo apt- get install cinelerra-cv
[23:11] <Ez0v3rR1d3> that is the code i got this morning works up till the update then nothing
[23:11] <holstein> GeorgeIoak2: you want http://www.remastersys.com/ or something like it
[23:12] <holstein> GeorgeIoak2: its not trivial
[23:12] <holstein> Ez0v3rR1d3: open a terminal
[23:12] <holstein> sudo -s
[23:12] <holstein> ^ put in your password
[23:13] <GeorgeIoak2> let me look at that, why couldn't I boot my system , create an iso of it, and then feed that into a typical bootable usb installer stick?
[23:13] <holstein> this is going to give you the ability to add that ppa and the packages
[23:13] <holstein> Ez0v3rR1d3: then
[23:13] <holstein> add-apt-repository ppa:cinelerra-ppa/ppa
[23:13] <holstein> then, enter when prompted
[23:13] <holstein> then..
[23:13] <holstein> apt-get update
[23:13] <holstein> see that you get no errors... then...
[23:14] <holstein> apt-get install cinelerra-cv
[23:14] <holstein> see that you get no errors and close the terminal after its finished
[23:14] <holstein> look in your menu for cinelerra
[23:15] <Ez0v3rR1d3> typed it the way u just wrote and terminal says command not found
[23:15] <holstein> Ez0v3rR1d3: when?
[23:15] <holstein> Ez0v3rR1d3: stop what you are doing
[23:15] <holstein> close everything and open a terminal
[23:15] <holstein> then, stick with me
[23:16] <holstein> i need to leave ASAP
[23:16] <holstein> open a terminal
[23:16] <Ez0v3rR1d3> ok
[23:16] <holstein> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:cinelerra-ppa/ppa
[23:16] <holstein> ^ does that work?
[23:16] <Ez0v3rR1d3> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:cinelerra-ppa/ppa
[23:16] <holstein> Ez0v3rR1d3: no.. does it work?
[23:17] <holstein> it just worked for me.. does it work?
[23:17] <Ez0v3rR1d3> it gave me an enter to continue
[23:17] <holstein> correct? so did it continue after that?
[23:18] <holstein> Ez0v3rR1d3: stick with me.. i need to leave
[23:18] <Ez0v3rR1d3> it took me back to root@mybuntu
[23:18] <holstein> is it added?
[23:18] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[23:18] <holstein> ^^ is that finished with no errors?
[23:19] <Ez0v3rR1d3> reading packages
[23:19] <Ez0v3rR1d3> done no errors
[23:19] <holstein> ok.. then
[23:19] <holstein> sudo apt-get install cinelerra-cv
[23:19] <holstein> is that finished? if so, look in your menu for cinelerra
[23:19] <Ez0v3rR1d3> it says continue y/n
[23:20] <holstein> right.. you'll need to continue
[23:20] <Ez0v3rR1d3> i hit y its unpacking and everything i think u did it thanks man
[23:20] <holstein> its running on my machine
[23:20] <Ez0v3rR1d3> its in my menu awesome thanks so much
[23:20] <holstein> Ez0v3rR1d3: enjoy!
[23:21] <Ez0v3rR1d3> it worked ur the best thank u
[23:21] <Ez0v3rR1d3> i have any other questions i am def lookin u up
[23:22] <Ez0v3rR1d3> quit
[23:25] <GeorgeIoak2> holstein: have you tried remastersys? i've put a lot of time into this configuration and the last thing i need is a screw up but i need a backup anyway and this would kill 2 birds with 1 stone