[17:17] <pleia2> wrote up summaries for loco and cloud, but we need lots more when folks have time :)


[03:19] <K3nto> hey seveas
[03:19] <K3nto> sorry that link was supposed to be in a PM window
[03:34] <Mez> apokryphos, around?
[03:43] <elkbuntu> !tor | xerxeslol
[03:43] <ubotu> xerxeslol: The #ubuntu channel and related channels ban users joining from anonymous gateways like tor/silenceisdefeat/cgi:irc because the abuse:useful ratio is close to infinity:nothing -- project cloaks will let you join, otherwise you should simply not use an anonymizer.
[03:43] <ubotu> Attention tor users.  You may think you are anonymous, but you are not.  Please visit http://tor.unixgu.ru/ and see for yourself.   Please evaluate your need to use tor here on irc.  If you wish anonymity, Freenode offers cloaks of many different types. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[03:47] <Mez> why did eck just use the !ops?
[03:48] <Hobbsee> because of xerxas, who may be a troll
[03:48] <Hobbsee> or just an idiot.
[03:48] <elkbuntu> or both
[03:48] <Mez> *shrugs*
 wtf is irc? <-- that is a troll trademark
[03:50] <Hobbsee> yup
[03:51] <Hobbsee> i liked the "how do i get to the start menu to open mspaint"
[03:51] <elkbuntu> hehe
[05:26] <arrenlex> If I promise not to run any more bots in #ubuntu, can I be unbanned?
[05:27] <nalioth> when were you banned?
[05:27] <arrenlex> Midday?
[05:28] <nalioth> oh, for the bot thing
[05:28] <nalioth> right?
[05:28] <arrenlex> Yep.
[05:28] <arrenlex> Midday is kind of arbitrary, isn't it. Four-five hours ago/
[05:28] <arrenlex> .
[05:28] <nalioth> it'll come off tomorry around some arbitrary time frame
[06:49] <Seveas> nalioth, not if I have my way
[06:50] <Seveas> people who run bots in there know damn well that's bad
[06:50] <nalioth> so keep the bot out
[06:59] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Keeping the bot and the noob out is unethical?
[08:37] <mneptok> !fserv offer
[08:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fserv offer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:37] <mneptok> dude, i want my juarez
[08:38] <mneptok> more warez offerbots for #ubuntu !
[08:41] <mneptok> 02:40 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)-  Doesn't matter when you're chopped in boiling pot.
[12:27] <elkbuntu> depends if you like the thought of eating another mans .... *cough*
[12:28] <Tm_T> I've heard it's healthy.
[12:28] <Tm_T> Another mans? Who's another?
[12:30] <elkbuntu> Tm_T, well. if you chop and boil a man to boil them for soup, this would involve their reproductive region
[12:31] <Tm_T> elkbuntu: That's only a man then, no another.
[12:31] <elkbuntu> you're saying you're also female?
[12:31] <Tm_T> Hmm, nope.
[12:32] <Tm_T> But we non-humans dislike been called as man.
[12:32] <elkbuntu> ha
[12:55] <jnewit> Hi, I have some questions on how to install ubuntu using instlux, can someone give me some advice?
[12:55] <apokryphos> !support | jnewit
[12:55] <ubotu> jnewit: For your support options, see http://www.ubuntu.com/support For IRC support, join #ubuntu / #kubuntu / #xubuntu etc
[12:55] <elkbuntu> jnewit, this isnt the support channel. you were forwarded here because you're using cgi:irc, which is heavily abused by trolls
[12:55] <elkbuntu> !tor | jnewit
[12:55] <ubotu> jnewit: The #ubuntu channel and related channels ban users joining from anonymous gateways like tor/silenceisdefeat/cgi:irc because the abuse:useful ratio is close to infinity:nothing -- project cloaks will let you join, otherwise you should simply not use an anonymizer.
[12:56] <ubotu> Attention tor users.  You may think you are anonymous, but you are not.  Please visit http://tor.unixgu.ru/ and see for yourself.   Please evaluate your need to use tor here on irc.  If you wish anonymity, Freenode offers cloaks of many different types. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[12:56] <elkbuntu> unfortunately there's no staffers listed in '/stats p' at the moment
[12:56] <jnewit> oh, alright
[12:57] <jnewit> I guess i'll hold off on installing
[12:57] <elkbuntu> jnewit, you could try the forums until then
[12:57] <elkbuntu> !forums
[12:57] <ubotu> The Ubuntu forums can be found at http://www.ubuntuforums.org. There is also a channel on IRC Freenode #ubuntuforums.
[12:57] <jnewit> okay, thank you
[12:59] <apokryphos> Spoke to the dev on the weekend; nice guy and great project :)
[12:59] <apokryphos> lightning talks at fosdem do get you good publicity :)
[01:14] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, I know how! I just don't want to! Gimme a better way! ;)
[01:14] <Hobbsee> haha
[01:14] <Hobbsee> yes
[02:52] <elkbuntu> Seveas, nalioth? can one of you give #ubuntu-locoteams an ubotu? *pout* pweeeeese?
[02:53] <Seveas> why?
[02:54] <Seveas> %join #ubuntu-locoteams
[02:54] <elkbuntu> because we just tried to use it and it wasnt there :
[02:54] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:54] <Hobbsee> good reaosn
[05:49] <nalioth> Seveas: your last bannee was klined
[05:50] <nalioth> he was making the rounds
[05:50] <Seveas> not surprising
[05:51] <nalioth> offering people money to DOS
[06:12] <fdoving> how much? :)
[06:14] <nalioth> fdoving: he was klined before he could make you an offer you couldn't refuse, i guess
[06:15] <fdoving> :)
[08:21] <Seveas> @pity fdoving
[08:22] <fdoving> :)
[08:49] <ikonia> anyone awake ?
[08:54] <zylche> @lart Seveas
[08:54] <zylche> Thanks, but despite my country I don't actually speak gaelic...
[09:05] <Seveas> zylche, what's up?
[09:05] <Seveas> ikonia, yes
[09:06] <ikonia> Seveas: not important, found the information. Not to worry
[09:06] <ikonia> sorry to distrub
[09:06] <zylche> That depends on your definition of up, your mood, and other things....
[09:10] <GazzaK> zylche, other things <me gets interested>
[09:11] <zylche> direction/mood/events/stats
[09:12] <GazzaK> awww, boring :p
[09:13] <zylche> :P
[10:12] <Seveas> !ops
[10:12] <ubotu> Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Burgundavia, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos or tonyyarusso
[10:12] <Seveas> possible incoming in #ubuntu
[10:14] <thedcm> wondering why I am banned from #ubuntu
[10:15] <Seveas> bcause we don't like obnoxious people
[10:16] <thedcm> I was banned because somebody said that I was going to flood the channel
[10:16] <thedcm> rofl
[10:16] <thedcm> I didnt even say that
[10:17] <thedcm> we just disagreed in #politics
[10:20] <GazzaK> nice fella
[10:20] <Vorian> woah!
[10:21] <Seveas> thedcm is now sending me pings all the time
[10:21] <Seveas> we can consider this ban to last for a while
[10:21] <GazzaK> i'd say
[10:22] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[10:22] <Seveas> --- Received a CTCP PING<PHONE_NUMBER> from thedcm
[10:22] <Seveas> --- Received a CTCP PING<PHONE_NUMBER> from thedcm
[10:22] <Seveas> --- Received a CTCP PING<PHONE_NUMBER> from thedcm
[10:22] <Seveas> --- Received a CTCP PING<PHONE_NUMBER> from thedcm
[10:22] <Seveas> --- Received a CTCP PING<PHONE_NUMBER> from thedcm
[10:22] <Seveas> --- Received a CTCP PING<PHONE_NUMBER> from thedcm
[10:22] <ikonia> interesting CTCP message
[10:22] <Seveas> about a gazillion now
[10:22] <ikonia> why do they do that
[10:22] <GazzaK> Seveas, network wide ban?
[10:22] <Seveas> GazzaK, I can't do that
[10:22] <GazzaK> ikonia, normally they are 12
[10:22] <Seveas> nalioth can
[10:22] <ikonia> whats the point of coming in to just be offensive - bad language / racist etc etc
[10:22] <Seveas> ikonia, beats me
[10:22] <Seveas> people are stupid
[10:23] <ikonia> I can understand having a row with someone as you can get carried away - but just coming in to cause trouble sort of seems pointless
[10:23] <ikonia> as you know the ban is coming
[10:23] <GazzaK> he's american... ( /me hides )
[10:23] <Vorian> GazzaK, :P
[10:23] <GazzaK> that was really bad of me to say that
[10:23] <ikonia> he's in ubuntu-f1 now
[10:23] <ikonia> fr
[10:23] <ikonia> ubuntu-fi now
[10:24] <ikonia> he was
[10:24] <Seveas> being annoying or just visiting?
[10:24] <ikonia> dunno came in then left quick, I assumed banned
[10:25] <SportChick> Seveas: you talking about thedcm?
[10:25] <Amaranth> he is in channels for a couple different distros
[10:25] <Amaranth> i think just a general troll
[10:25] <Amaranth> funny that he thinks he can CTCP PING you off the network or something
[10:25] <Seveas> SportChick, yes
[10:25] <ikonia> pooh ubuntu-uk now
[10:26] <Seveas> SportChick, I don't think he's annoying enough for a k-line yet but he's working on it
[10:26] <Amaranth> Seveas: needed in -uk
[10:26] <SportChick> Seveas: nope, but I'm keeping an eye
[10:26] <GazzaK> Seveas, he is in #ubuntu-uk now
[10:26] <BearPerson> Amaranth, theoretically, you can
[10:27] <Amaranth> SportChick: he is pinging the channel
[10:27] <SportChick> Amaranth: yes, I see
[10:27] <Amaranth> SportChick: do you have CTCP blocked?
[10:27] <ikonia> he's flooding uk
[10:28] <Seveas> SportChick, attack! :)
[10:28] <SportChick> he's off now
[10:28] <SportChick> Seveas: is he on another of your channels? :)
[10:29] <Amaranth>  [thedcm]  #tapthru #politics #mepis #suse #haiku ##linux
[10:29] <Seveas> if he channelpings in a channel where I'm op he gets autokicked
[10:30] <GazzaK> Seveas, can you pop into #tapthru ???
[10:30] <GazzaK> (please)
[10:32] <GazzaK> arghhh, I hate people like that
[10:33] <GazzaK> thanks for popping in Seveas
[10:37] <SportChick> Seveas: got a second?
[10:37] <Seveas> sure
[10:37] <SportChick> pm?
[10:37] <Seveas> ok
[10:59] <GazzaK> is anything happening re: thedcm?
[11:00] <Seveas> no idea
[11:19] <ikonia> I think they have just give him a talking to
[11:19] <ikonia> to be honest, as long as it stops him it doesn't matter, but I think flooding 12 channels with over 1000+ unaware users with racist comments is a bit much
[11:20] <ikonia> but as long as they stop him, should be enough
[11:20] <ikonia> seems to be chatting quite politly now in other channels


[00:10] <bluesabre> krytarik: opposed to me giving you the commit credit for numlock?
[00:11] <krytarik> Not opposed to that, no. :P
[00:11] <bluesabre> :)
[00:18] <bluesabre> nice guy
[00:18] <bluesabre> krytarik: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/revision/675 :)
[00:19] <krytarik> Hehe, even as the author! :P
[00:20] <krytarik> "for not enable" though.. :P
[00:20] <bluesabre> d'oh
[00:21] <bluesabre> will fix with the release
[00:21] <krytarik> Yeah, not a big problem for me anyway. :P
[00:22] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: [trunk] r675 Use 55numlockx for not enable numlock for laptops (LP: #1759... (by Krytarik Raido)
[00:32] <bluesabre> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/18.04.5
[01:17] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: [greybird] r551 Drop superfluous assets... (by Simon Steinbeiß)
[01:25] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: [trunk] r676 Release 18.04.5 (by Sean Davis)
[03:11] <donofrio> how do I get the "receive-key" out of an 'add-apt-repository?'
[03:11] <donofrio> found someone else with same issue - https://github.com/Microsoft/WSL/issues/2960#issuecomment-376690404
[03:11] <donofrio> but he doesn't show how he got it ;)
[03:12] <donofrio> I'm so close to getting xfwm4.13 I can feel it
[03:17] <donofrio> and for background this is how I got here - http://www.tinyurl.com/donofrio1804
[03:17] <krytarik> donofrio: Please, this is no support channel.
[03:19] <donofrio> oh mybad
[03:19] <donofrio> even thought I'm 18.04?
[03:23] <Unit193> That's usually #xubuntu or #ubuntu+1
[03:27] <donofrio> thank you
[05:01] <flocculant> bluesabre krytarik - thanks peeps :)
[05:02] <flocculant> I killed my /etc/blah/blah/fix numlockforgodssake file now - just using the xubuntu one - not seen update yet though
[05:09] <flocculant> rebuilding iso to catch the update there
[05:39] <flocculant> seem to have ppa x-d-s being preferred here which is older I think
[05:40] <flocculant> anyway - enough thinking of that till later
[08:22] <slickymasterWork> knome, the reason why I didn't vote in all the submissions is pretyy much the same as pleia2's
[08:22] <slickymasterWork> lack of an opinion in most of them
[08:22] <slickymasterWork> only voted the ones I really did like
[08:22] <slickymasterWork> gues I'll have to down vote the rest now
[08:23] <slickymasterWork> s(gues/guess
[08:23] <slickymasterWork> also, sorry for not being able to attend the meeting yesterday but I'm again in Lisbon
[12:16] <Unit193> greybird-gtk-theme 3.22.8-1 uploaded by Jeremy Bicha (jbicha)
[17:22] <tracker8> hey
[17:23] <flocculant> hi tracker8
[17:23] <tracker8> sorry to bother anyone but i'm new to linux and i just wanted to know if i'd rather download xubuntu 14.04 than 16.04 or 17.10
[17:23] <flocculant> well
[17:24] <flocculant> xubuntu 14.04 is no longer supported by us
[17:24] <tracker8> because i'm a bit skeptical to download releases after 2015
[17:25] <flocculant> Id' be inclined (if you want LTS) to install 17.10 - then when prompted to upgrade to 18.04 to do that - and then you can make it only look for LTS versions
[17:25] <flocculant> then I'm not able to help you
[17:25] <tracker8> ok thank you
[17:26] <tracker8> the reason why i am looking for xubuntu is because i want to run Guild Wars 2 through PlayOnLinux
[17:26] <tracker8> and a youtuber mentionned it was running fithout FPS drops under Xfce
[17:27] <flocculant> fine - but I'm not getting into some discussion about post 2015
[17:27] <tracker8> it's ok
[17:28] <tracker8> i just wanted to know if i download either 14.04 or 17.10 then upgrade to 18.04 that i would have no FPS drops running Guild Wars 2 through PlayOnLinux
[17:29] <flocculant> we don't support 14.04
[17:29] <tracker8> so i should download 17.10 right ?
[17:29] <flocculant> you can upgrade 17.10 to 18.04 - as far as playing games and fps issues I have no idea - don't play games
[17:30] <flocculant> tracker8: see above re 'inclined'
[17:32] <tracker8> one last question if you mind
[17:32] <tracker8> i selected a mirror and i see a 18.04 branch
[17:33] <tracker8> does it mean i can download 18.04 before release date ?
[17:33] <flocculant> you can - but it's still in testing
[17:33] <flocculant> won't be release until end of April
[17:34] <tracker8> thank you sir
[17:35] <flocculant> and if you decide to do that regardless - mirrors are likely out of date - it's updated daily :)
[17:35] <flocculant> no problem :)
[17:35] <tracker8> each release is an upgrade from the previous version ?
[17:35] <flocculant> more or less yea
[17:36] <tracker8> sweet
[17:36] <flocculant> LTS tend to be release every 2 years - with normal releases in between
[17:36] <tracker8> i see
[17:36] <tracker8> so i will just download 17.10
[17:36] <tracker8> and wait for the 18.04 release
[17:36] <flocculant> yup
[17:37] <tracker8> because i don't want any issue with it
[17:37] <tracker8> thank you so much for your help
[17:37] <flocculant> there is information in the Help pages - you can change it once you've got 18.04 to not update every 9 months
[17:38] <tracker8> yea i will go through the documentation today to see if i can learn step by step since i'm completely new to this world
[17:38] <flocculant> :)
[17:38] <flocculant> take it slow - don't randomly grab things from the internet
[17:39] <tracker8> yea that's the problem today with the rise of cyber threats
[17:39] <tracker8> i miss the good old days
[17:39] <tracker8> when you could use windows and not worry about anything
[17:39] <tracker8> now i'm forced to use foreign os but i will learn it step by step
[17:40] <flocculant> not what I meant tbh - don't read something that says 'do this for Ubuntu' - most of what you find is out of date
[17:40] <flocculant> anyway - I have to go now
[17:40] <tracker8> alright take care
[17:40] <flocculant> you too
[19:29] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-terminal <IP_ADDRESS> released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfce4-terminal-0-8-7-3-released-tp50871.html (by Igor Zakharov)
[19:31] <Unit193> bluesabre: ↑
[19:56] <flocculant> evening Unit193
[19:58] <Unit193> Howdy, flocculant.
[20:45] <Unit193> BTW, doing -term.
[20:58] <Unit193> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-terminal/+bug/1713343 can be killed.
[20:58] <Unit193> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-terminal/+bug/1721976 what?
[21:23] <Unit193> xfce4-terminal <IP_ADDRESS>-1 uploaded by Yves-Alexis Perez (corsac)
[21:23] <Unit193> xfce4-power-manager 1.6.1-1 uploaded by Yves-Alexis Perez (corsac)
[21:23] <Unit193> xfce4-timer-plugin 1.7.0-1 uploaded by Yves-Alexis Perez (corsac)
[21:33] <Unit193> bluesabre: BTW, specifically for you: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-terminal/<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1
[21:38] <Unit193> https://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xfce4-power-manager/news/20180328T211231Z.html does look handy, specifically if one cares about appstream (I don't.)
[21:54] <Unit193> xfce4-indicator-plugin 2.3.4-1 uploaded by Yves-Alexis Perez (corsac) (Closes: #893639)
[21:57] <ochosi> Unit193: would be nice to get xfpm patches upstream though
[21:57] <ochosi> i'm happy to review and integrate those
[21:57] <Unit193> ...Patches?
[22:00] <ochosi> i thought the appstream stuff was added as a patch
[22:00] <ochosi> i didn't look really tbh :>
[22:01] <Unit193> Ooooooooh, well sort of.
[22:02] <Unit193> https://sources.debian.org/src/xfce4-power-manager/1.4.4-4/debian/patches/01_fix-light-locker-schema-loading.patch/ is the only proper patch.
[22:05] <Unit193> Gah, anyway..
[22:05] <Unit193> ochosi: No active patches, just https://salsa.debian.org/xfce-team/desktop/xfce4-power-manager/blob/debian/master/debian/xfce4-power-manager-data.install
[22:06] <ochosi> ah ok
[22:06] <ochosi> hmm, everybody seems to use gitlab...
[22:06] <knome> hello
[22:06] <knome> are you suggesting we should as well?
[22:06] <knome> :P
[22:07] <Unit193> knome: Pagure!
[22:07] <knome> Unit193, go vote some wallpapers!
[22:07] <Unit193> ochosi: I use cgit/gitolite!
[22:10] <ochosi> knome: well maybe it's worth thinking about it again if it's not really a resource topic anymore
[22:10] <ochosi> but anyway, that belongs to a different channel...
[22:10] <ochosi> what's the state of the slideshow?
[22:10] <Unit193> ochosi: So fixing the location only, I believe.
[22:12] <knome> the slideshow is... wip
[22:12] <knome> i kind of forgot it
[22:12] <knome> :P
[22:12] <knome> so meh
[22:12] <ochosi> Unit193: mhm, i really haven't dealt with appstream/appdata for too long
[22:12] <knome> we'll need a freeze exception
[22:12] <ochosi> knome: what's the deadline? tonight?
[22:12] <knome> and not only that, we'll need to get it in ASAP
[22:12] <knome> oh wait
[22:12] <knome> yes, it's *today*
[22:12] <knome> not yesterday
[22:12] <knome> so yes, i think i can do it
[22:13] <knome> i'll try to build up some motivation to do it tonight, but no promises yet
[22:14] <ochosi> kewl
[22:14] <ochosi> would be nice to avoid the paperwork
[22:14] <knome> yes, though
[22:14] <knome> that's not the main issue
[22:14] <ochosi> and who knows if you'll have more time tomorrow
[22:14] <ochosi> time/motivation
[22:14] <ochosi> what has to be done actually?
[22:15] <ochosi> updating the background of the slideshow? updating the numbers?
[22:15] <knome> it's mostly finalizing some stuff
[22:15] <knome> it's almost ready
[22:15] <knome> and i think the bg needs a resivit too now that i know what kind of content/artwork we have
[22:15] <knome> then we need to obviously update the strings
[22:15] <knome> and the thing is more bothersome than the freeze paperwork is finding somebody to do the upload
[22:15] <bluesabre> evening all
[22:16] <knome> or did bluesabre score upload abilities for that package?
[22:16] <bluesabre> nope
[22:16] <knome> indeed, so that's the main thing we want to avoid -- having to bother somebody do the upload for us -- late
[22:17] <knome> *theoretically* i have a lot of time tomorrow
[22:17] <knome> but practically...
[22:18] <ochosi> hmm
[22:19] <knome> if you want to look at my branch and see how it looks in terms of artwork you might motivate me a bit :P
[22:21] <bluesabre> I'm not going to be of much use tonight, lots of running around to do
[22:21] <Unit193> That's Ok, I'm useful!
[22:21] <knome> yep, the usual chickenry
[22:21] <knome> :P
[22:21] <knome> i was specifically meaning that ochosi could look at it
[22:21] <knome> because artwork lead and all ;)
[22:23] <Unit193> Well I meant I packaged things, both in Debian and here.
[22:24] <knome> Unit193, of course you are useful
[22:34] <Unit193> Well, I mean I did something today Xubuntu related..
[22:36] <knome> :)
[22:37] <ochosi> night everyone!
[22:37] <ochosi> (and just so that i've said it publicly here too, i like the new slideshow and it's brief format)
[22:37] <knome> nighty ochosi :)
[22:56] <Unit193> ...Was I supposed to backport Debian's timer-pl to xubuntu-dev/staging?
[22:56] <Unit193> Wait, uh..
[22:56] <Unit193> experimental?  I don't know!
[22:59] <knome> let's push the slideshow...
[23:06] <knome> ochosi, slideshow pushed: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html


[08:41] <profP> Hello.
[08:46] <karjala_> hi
[08:48] <gordonjcp> morning
[09:28] <bryanfrommacau> Hi
[09:29] <gordonjcp> morning
[09:29] <bryanfrommacau> This is going to sound very cheap...but my flash drive is only 1 GB....if I install ubuntu server, and then install mate, will it basically be the same thing?
[09:30] <gordonjcp> I think you'd struggle to install even Ubuntu Server in less than 2GB
[09:30] <alkisg> bryanfrommacau: yes, but you can also use the network installer, https://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads
[09:30] <alkisg> gordonjcp: he means the installation media only
[09:31] <gordonjcp> aha that makes mre sense
[09:31] <bryanfrommacau> a network installer would be great, but that's only for ubuntu, right?
[09:32] <alkisg> No you can select the environment from an installation menu
[09:32] <alkisg> At least that was the case years ago when I tried it...
[09:32] <alkisg> And of course you can put it on the server too
[09:32] <alkisg> *on the pc hard disk
[09:32] <alkisg> (the iso)
[09:32] <bryanfrommacau> Great, I'll give it a try :)
[09:44] <alkisg> bryanfrommacau: just tried it, mini.iso does have an "install ubuntu mate desktop" option
[09:50] <bryanfrommacau> Great, thanks :)
[09:50] <bryanfrommacau> I just realized that this computer has 2GB of RAM (64 bit processor)....is Mate a good choice?
[09:51] <bryanfrommacau> For some reason I was thinking it had more...
[09:51] <alkisg> Sure, mate is fine
[09:52] <bryanfrommacau> Should I stick with the 32 bit version?
[09:53] <bryanfrommacau> I'm just worried that might limit my options for some apps
[09:53] <alkisg> It depends on if you want to run e.g. steam (optimized for 32 bits) or skype (64 bit only)
[09:54] <alkisg> 64bit wastes a bit of ram and is a bit faster, but that's not very significant with 2 gb ram, so just select based on the apps you want
[09:54] <bryanfrommacau> probably don't need skype, mostly office stuff
[09:54] <bryanfrommacau> ok
[11:48] <josh_17-10> Found a bug in a caja interface launched by Thunderbird - is it likely  a caja bug to be reported here https://github.com/mate-desktop/caja or a Thunderbird or Nautilus issue?
[13:13] <rel> Firefox will not load on my Pi
[13:13] <rel> Any suggestions, it keeps giving me a crash report before it even loads.
[13:13] <alkisg> install a previous version
[13:14] <alkisg> Last firefox is broken on pi
[13:16] <rel> alkish Thanks
[13:17] <rel> How would I do thatn alkish?
[13:18] <alkisg> Use <tab> to autocomplete the names in irc
[13:19] <alkisg> alk<tab>
[13:19] <alkisg> Which Ubuntu version?
[13:19] <rel> 14.04
[13:19] <rel> Ubuntu Mate
[13:19] <rel> For the Raspberry PI
[13:20] <rel> alkisg: Thanks didn't know that Tab trick1 :)
[13:20] <alkisg> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=firefox
[13:21] <alkisg> This says that you have either 56 or 28
[13:21] <alkisg> What's the output of this command? apt policy firefox
[13:21] <alkisg> apt-cache policy firefox
[13:22] <rel> alkisg: Firefox 56
[13:22] <rel> alkisg: I got to role back to 28?
[13:23] <alkisg> rel: or find 54 online
[13:23] <alkisg> I think 55 broke it
[13:24] <rel> alkisg: Ok, I'll uninstall it?
[13:24] <alkisg> http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/pool/main/f/firefox/
[13:24] <alkisg> No, you install the old one over the new one
[13:24] <alkisg> Don't uninstall it because it will remove other packages too
[13:26] <alkisg> http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/pool/main/f/firefox/firefox_52.0.2+build1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>_armhf.deb
[13:26] <alkisg> This one should do...
[13:27] <rel> Ok thanks
[13:27] <rel> alkisg: Not on my Pi right now, but will do it later.
[13:27] <alkisg> np
[13:31] <alkisg> Or this one (worked for me in 16.04): http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/pool/main/f/firefox/firefox_50.1.0+build2-0ubuntu1_armhf.deb
[13:33] <alkisg> Remember to run `apt-mark hold firefox` after installing, so that it doesn't auto-upgade back to 56
[13:37] <rel> alkisg: Thanks
[13:37] <rel> alkisg: Was wondering about how to prevent it from auto-updates.
[13:37] <alkisg> np
[13:40] <ricotz> alkisg, please do *not* recommend using old unsupported firefox versions!
[13:42] <ricotz> rel, https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+files/firefox-esr_52.4.1~esr+build1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>_armhf.deb
[13:56] <alkisg> ricotz: please don't upload versions that crash without checking :)
[13:56] <alkisg> That was what was in the archive :)
[13:57]  * alkisg wonders if there's any unit testing at all... for firefox in armhf
[13:58] <ricotz> alkisg, mozilla doesn't support a bunch of archs, so runtime and even compile failures are expected :(
[13:58] <ricotz> alkisg, could you test this one? https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/firefox-next/+files/firefox_57.0~b13+build1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>_armhf.deb
[13:58] <ricotz> although firefox 56 received an armhf runtime fix
[13:59] <alkisg> ricotz: sure, I have my rpi open, let me test...
[14:01] <alkisg> ricotz: same, ExceptionHandler::GenerateDump cloned child 29837, ExceptionHandler::SendContinueSignalToChild sent continue signal to child, ExceptionHandler::WaitForContinueSignal waiting for continue signal...
[14:02] <alkisg> +mozilla crash report
[14:02] <alkisg> ricotz: so, apt policy I have firefox 45 (runs), 56 (doesn't), and in the official ports archive there's 50 (runs)
[14:02] <alkisg> ...which one should I be using? Don't tell me 56, it doesn't run...
[14:03] <alkisg> From those, I select 50.
[14:03] <ricotz> I see, this is natively running on raspi1/2/3?
[14:03] <alkisg> Let me check the -esr version, hopefully it doesn't conflict with anything...
[14:03] <alkisg> Yes, native on rpi2
[14:03] <ricotz> without any ssh
[14:03] <alkisg> Yes
[14:03] <alkisg> Without ssh
[14:04] <ricotz> I would strictly recommend firefox-esr 52 if it works
[14:04] <ricotz> for you own safety
[14:04] <alkisg> Testing...
[14:04] <alkisg> Generally mozilla in rpi isn't usable for surfing, so I only have it for emergencies like accessing cups in localhost:631 etc
[14:05] <ricotz> ok
[14:06] <alkisg> Ouch, it's considered a different browser, co-installable, telling me to import bookmarks etc from chromium...
[14:07] <ricotz> yes
[14:07] <alkisg> Firefox 52 (normal) also runs, so I would expect it to... yes, it runs as well
[14:07] <alkisg> And it complains it's out of date :D
[14:07] <ricotz> really? 52.5 is due next week
[14:12] <alkisg> ricotz: do you think it's safe to remove the firefox package and keep firefox-esr (i.e. would ubuntu-mate-desktop package depend on either of those, or only firefox?)
[14:12] <alkisg> Also, are there any localization packages? firefox-lang-el...
[14:13] <ricotz> alkisg, you can add the ppa to receive updates and l10n packages
[14:13]  * alkisg guesses it's not this one: https://launchpad.net/~team-esr/+archive/ubuntu/firefox-esr
[14:13] <ricotz> depend on the dependency chain, you can make firefox-esr the default in the stettings
[14:14] <alkisg> ...but this one: https://launchpad.net/~jonathonf/+archive/ubuntu/firefox-esr
[14:14] <ricotz> no, and no
[14:14] <alkisg> :) which one?
[14:14] <ricotz> https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[14:14] <alkisg> ty, testing...
[14:14] <ricotz> the link I gave should already made it clear ;)
[14:14] <alkisg> (it needs some more google page rank :D)
[14:15] <alkisg> It should, but I opted to googling to type less characters, and I fell for it :D
[14:15] <ricotz> right, the jonathonf ppa is a bit problematic
[14:16] <alkisg> 2018-05-01 Firefox ESR 52.8 will be the last release and therefore a switch on 2018-06-26 to Firefox ESR 59.2 will be required. ==> will that one still support flash? and java plugins?
[14:16] <ricotz> this will have to be determined
[14:17] <ricotz> the current nightly is still 58, so a lot of movement until then
[14:18] <ricotz> this is a disclaimer while the security support with cease then
[14:18] <alkisg> ricotz: ty; although for "rel" that was asking, 14.04 build failed in the ppa
[14:18] <alkisg> So he wouldn't be able to use esr anyway
[14:19] <ricotz> only arm64 failed
[14:19] <alkisg> You're right, sorry
[14:22] <alkisg> The only downside I saw so far, it's the firefox icon in mate-panel missing after installing firefox-esr and removing firefox
[14:23] <ricotz> alkisg, of course it has its own desktop-file
[14:23] <ricotz> so you need to renew the link
[14:23] <alkisg> Sure,mate could be using alternatives for that
[14:23] <alkisg> It's the same for binaries, icons, manpages etc
[14:24]  * alkisg doesn't like manually doing per-user things, as in some cases that means they need to be done for thousands of students...
[14:25] <ricotz> you don't use armhf ltsp server/clients though?
[14:26] <ricotz> btw is the 16.04 xorg-hwe stack working on ltsp clients?
[14:27] <ricotz> last time I dared to upgrade ldm didn't came up
[14:38] <alkisg> ricotz: I've written a how-to for rpi on ltsp, and I've troubleshooted it on request a few times, but I'm not using it in any schools,
[14:38] <alkisg> the xorg-hwe stack runs fine, using it in many schools
[14:39] <ricotz> alkisg, let me emphasise that, I have the xorg-hwe on the server and it runs fine, but not on the client
[14:40] <alkisg> I'm using ltsp-pnp, so server=client
[14:40] <alkisg> Clients are p4, dual cores, i3, i5...
[14:40] <ricotz> interesting
[14:40] <alkisg> I only had a few issues with some ancient cards. Really ancient
[14:40] <ricotz> still having ndb/tftp images here
[14:40] <alkisg> Some s3 savage or sis, that came before geforce 400
[14:41] <alkisg> ltsp-pnp is using tftp and nbd as well
[14:41] <alkisg> It just doesn't use a chroot, as it copied the server / as a template
[14:41] <alkisg> (while cleaning it up)
[14:41] <alkisg> We even added a new ltsp GUI tool, called ltsp-manager, in debian experimental a couple of months ago
[14:41] <ricotz> ah so it still have a "static" image to run from
[14:41] <alkisg> Yes it does have a read only image
[14:42] <alkisg> ltsp-manager automates all that via gui, and it also adds user management features
[14:42] <ricotz> will try to have a look at this soon then
[14:42] <alkisg> (e.g. create accounts for 10 classes, each with 20 students)
[16:00] <sara__> hi
[16:00] <sara__> jmd on
[16:00] <sara__> hallo
[19:52] <_ProfP> hi
[20:02] <_ProfP> Running MATE 17.10 on one desktop with two monitors. my main monitor is the right one. so all my desktop icons are placed here
[20:02] <_ProfP> My problem: after very log-on ALL the icons are moved to the left monitor
[20:02] <_ProfP> Any ideas on how to overcome this?
[20:02] <_ProfP> this is what XRANDR says: https://paste.ubuntu.com/25867236/
[20:08] <tom76> hello, can i ask question about a strange ubuntu mate behaviour here
[20:09] <tom76> running ubuntu mate 16 lts since a while.. works great.. since yesterday, i changed my audio to go true HDMI instead of regular analog plug
[20:10] <tom76> after some hours working on the computer.. and afters some standby
[20:10] <tom76> my volume up/down keys ..  the onscreen popup comes up, .. but increasing or decreasing the volume doesnt work anymore .. have to reboot to fix it
[20:12] <tom76> But , i can still use the mouse to increase/decrease the sound
[20:13] <tom76> if i'm in the wrong place to ask (sorry then)
[22:01] <donnie> hi


[14:55] <slashd> o/
[14:58] <sil2100> o/
[14:59] <ddstreet> o/
[15:01] <rbasak> o/
[15:01] <rafaeldtinoco> o/
[15:02] <rafaeldtinoco> Upcoming: Eric, Łukasz, Teward, Rafael, Dan, Robie <wrap>
[15:03] <slashd> I can chair, but I'm a bit behind in term of what is ongoing atm. I apologize for that btw.
[15:04] <rafaeldtinoco> sil2100: ^
[15:06] <slashd> I'll go ahead and chair but I may miss a few things here and there.
[15:06] <slashd> #startmeeting DMB meeting
[15:06] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jul 27 15:06:05 2020 UTC.  The chair is slashd. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:06] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:06] <slashd> #topic Review of previous action items
[15:06] <slashd> #subtopic rafaeldtinoco pkgset tooling full documentation (being worked, carried until mentioned)
[15:06] <rafaeldtinoco> these are the long term action items
[15:06] <slashd> still at the same state ?
[15:06] <slashd> right
[15:06] <rafaeldtinoco> yep, just mention those
[15:06] <rafaeldtinoco> and move on
[15:07] <slashd> #subtopic rafaeldtinoco to check edubuntu seed <-> pkgset relationship (generation) and if edubuntu pkgsets can be dropped (carried over)
[15:08] <slashd> #subtopic rafaeldtinoco to create, for now, a small "what-to-do" for pkgset changes in -devel (document exceptions inclusion for DMB team) (carried over)
[15:08] <rafaeldtinoco> git.launchpad.net/~developer-membership-board/+git/packageset
[15:08] <rafaeldtinoco> i still need to finish
[15:09] <slashd> #subtopic rafaeldtinoco link team delegation from dmb kb page when reading ddstreet updates (carried over)
[15:10] <slashd> rafaeldtinoco Any updates on those items ? or all good for now ?
[15:11] <rafaeldtinoco> sorry
[15:11] <rafaeldtinoco> my time in the meeting to talk
[15:11] <rafaeldtinoco> nope, only the documentation
[15:12] <rafaeldtinoco> item is almost finish
[15:12] <rafaeldtinoco> but I still have to create the wiki page
[15:12] <rafaeldtinoco> and link to the dmb wiki pages
[15:12] <slashd> thanks rafaeldtinoco anything we can do to help ?
[15:13] <rafaeldtinoco> yes. please
[15:13] <sil2100> How can we help?
[15:13] <rafaeldtinoco> id like help from someone in the edubuntu seed <-> pkgset relationship
[15:13] <rafaeldtinoco> you can get the packageset tool from the git repo I pasted
[15:13] <rafaeldtinoco> and follow the README file and check
[15:13] <ddstreet> i can take that action item
[15:13] <rafaeldtinoco> edubuntu seed <-> pkgset (from germinate)
[15:14] <rafaeldtinoco> and check if we should add something to exceptions, or any bigger change there
[15:14] <ddstreet> slashd can you give me action item for that
[15:14] <rafaeldtinoco> thanks a lot @ddstreet
[15:14] <rafaeldtinoco> busy weeks I had
[15:14] <rafaeldtinoco> well you too
[15:14] <rafaeldtinoco> thanks for sharing the burden lol
[15:14] <ddstreet> yep np, i've wanted to understand the seed/pkgset tooling better so this is a good excuse :)
[15:15] <rafaeldtinoco> nice, its all in Makefile now
[15:15] <rafaeldtinoco> and feel free to push things to the repo
[15:15] <slashd> #action edubuntu seed <-> pkgset (ddstreet)
[15:15] <rafaeldtinoco> or MR for me to review
[15:15] <meetingology> ACTION: edubuntu seed <-> pkgset (ddstreet)
[15:16] <slashd> We have no applicant today. Is there anything else we need to discuss or something I missed ?
[15:16] <ddstreet> are you going thru the mailing list items in the agenda?
[15:17]  * slashd looking
[15:17] <slashd> #subtopic Request for delagate team for DKMS modules (Francis Ginther)
[15:18] <slashd> seems like the vote went on the ML ^
[15:18] <ddstreet> do we want to just vote on it now?
[15:18] <ddstreet> or keep it on ML?
[15:18] <sil2100> Yeah, I think the people that didn't vote could vote now
[15:19] <sil2100> We could follow up on the thread for consistency
[15:19] <ddstreet> i'm fine voting now if we want to queue up a vote for it
[15:20] <slashd> I'm fine with both (ML or proceed with a vote now)
[15:20] <slashd> I think we have quorum today anyway
[15:20] <ddstreet> let's just vote now, yeah
[15:20] <ddstreet> i think there are 2 motions https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-July/001540.html
[15:21] <slashd> #vote Please vote on: Request for delegate team for DKMS modules
[15:21] <meetingology> Please vote on: Please vote on: Request for delegate team for DKMS modules
[15:21] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[15:21] <ddstreet> slashd shouldn't we vote on the 2 motions separately?
[15:21] <ddstreet> i mean maybe we'll all vote the same for both, but probably should allow for voting separately?
[15:22] <sil2100> I guess this is for the first motion I assume?
[15:22] <slashd> #endvote
[15:22] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Please vote on: Request for delegate team for DKMS modules
[15:22] <meetingology> Votes for:0 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[15:22] <meetingology> Deadlock, casting vote may be used
[15:22] <ddstreet> sounds good yep, this roudn is for motion #1, Create a DKMS packageset defined as "Packages that ship DKMS
[15:22] <ddstreet> modules that need updating to support new kernel versions"
[15:23] <slashd> #vote Please vote on: Motion 1: Create a DKMS packageset defined as "Packages that ship DKMS
[15:23] <slashd> modules that need updating to support new kernel versions" once we have
[15:23] <slashd> further agreed upon at least one uploader to be able to upload to this
[15:23] <slashd> packageset.
[15:23] <meetingology> Please vote on: Please vote on: Motion 1: Create a DKMS packageset defined as "Packages that ship DKMS
[15:23] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[15:23] <sil2100> +1
[15:23] <meetingology> +1 received from sil2100
[15:24] <ddstreet> +1 sounds reasonable to me
[15:24] <meetingology> +1 sounds reasonable to me received from ddstreet
[15:24] <slashd> +1
[15:24] <meetingology> +1 received from slashd
[15:24] <rafaeldtinoco> +1
[15:24] <meetingology> +1 received from rafaeldtinoco
[15:24] <slashd> #voterequired 4
[15:26] <slashd> rbasak also +1'd in the ML
[15:26] <slashd> #endvote
[15:26] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Please vote on: Motion 1: Create a DKMS packageset defined as "Packages that ship DKMS
[15:26] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[15:26] <meetingology> Motion carried
[15:27] <slashd> #vote Please vote on: Motion 2: Create a DKMS packageset uploading team once we have further
[15:27] <slashd> agreed upon at least one uploader to be added to this team.
[15:27] <meetingology> Please vote on: Please vote on: Motion 2: Create a DKMS packageset uploading team once we have further
[15:27] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[15:27] <slashd> #voterequired 4
[15:28] <sil2100> +1 on this one as well
[15:28] <meetingology> +1 on this one as well received from sil2100
[15:29] <ddstreet> +1 the stated restrictions appear to limit this team to just the dkms modules, which i believe is the intention/goal of the original request, so seems reasonable and appropriate
[15:29] <meetingology> +1 the stated restrictions appear to limit this team to just the dkms modules, which i believe is the intention/goal of the original request, so seems reasonable and appropriate received from ddstreet
[15:29] <slashd> +1
[15:29] <meetingology> +1 received from slashd
[15:29] <ddstreet> slashd is the directive '#votesrequired' (with an s, not r)?
[15:30] <ddstreet> oh actually just missing the s, maybe
[15:30] <slashd> #votesrequired 4
[15:30] <meetingology> votes now need 4 to be passed
[15:31] <rafaeldtinoco> is this the same motion ?
[15:31] <slashd> motion 2
[15:31] <rbasak> Same as the one I emailed?
[15:31] <rafaeldtinoco> ah ok
[15:31] <rafaeldtinoco> +1
[15:31] <meetingology> +1 received from rafaeldtinoco
[15:31] <rafaeldtinoco> yes
[15:31] <rafaeldtinoco> i was going to say that
[15:31] <rbasak> +1
[15:31] <meetingology> +1 received from rbasak
[15:31] <slashd> #endvote
[15:31] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Please vote on: Motion 2: Create a DKMS packageset uploading team once we have further
[15:31] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[15:31] <meetingology> Motion carried
[15:32] <slashd> Who wants to take action on these 2 motions ?
[15:32] <rbasak> There are no actions yet
[15:32] <rafaeldtinoco> we got nothing from them yet
[15:32] <rbasak> Until we have an uploader approved
[15:32] <slashd> all good then
[15:33] <slashd> next topic....
[15:33] <slashd> #subtopic Adding Yaru to the desktop set for focal (Marco Trevisan)
[15:34] <slashd> do we need to vote for that ?
[15:35] <ddstreet> probably not, it seems simple enough, it's already in g, i can take action item for it unless anyone else wants it
[15:35] <slashd> ddstreet: I'll take care of it if no one has it yet
[15:36] <ddstreet> sounds good, thnx
[15:36] <slashd> #action Adding Yaru to the desktop set for focal (slashd)
[15:36] <meetingology> ACTION: Adding Yaru to the desktop set for focal (slashd)
[15:36] <slashd> #subtopic RFC: auto-generated packageset for Canonical OEM enablement metapackages (Iain Lane)
[15:37] <slashd> Something to mention here ?
[15:37] <ddstreet> not sure if Laney is around?
[15:38] <ddstreet> this request seemed, to me, very reasonable, but i think i would prefer to have the mentioned script already created before voting on the new packageset
[15:39] <ddstreet> also it wasn't clear to me who would be running the script, and if there would be any human review of its updates (e.g. if it's run on a crontab)
[15:39] <slashd> maybe preferable to then addresse those point to the ML and vote when we have all the infos in next DMB mtg(s)
[15:39] <Laney> i'm here
[15:39] <Laney> what up
[15:40] <ddstreet> re: oem packageset
[15:40] <Laney> I mean the script is like
[15:40] <Laney> for pkg in all_packages:
[15:40] <Laney>     if fnmatch.fnmatch(pkg, 'oem-*'meta'):
[15:40] <Laney>         packageset.add(pkg)
[15:41] <ddstreet> i assume it would need to be run regularly by a DMB member? or via cron somewhere?
[15:41] <Laney> ya something like that, or the oem team can poke you to run it
[15:42] <rafaeldtinoco> can be integrated in the packageset repo
[15:42] <Laney> or I guess one option would be to make the set owned by another team
[15:42] <rafaeldtinoco> and run in crontab or manually
[15:42] <Laney> like ~ubuntu-archive or ~ubuntu-sru
[15:42] <Laney> then they can run it themseves
[15:43] <slashd> sil2100 ^ Any thoughts on that ? since you are in both group
[15:43] <Laney> probably -archive since we're talking about uploading to NEW here
[15:44] <Laney> then the dmb's role will be handling applications for new uploaders, but not managing the actual packages in the set
[15:44] <rbasak> I'm going to have to disappear, sorry. Back in about an hour.
[15:45] <slashd> Laney: I guess we will need to make sure ~archive is agree with that, I don't think dmb has authority on that
[15:46] <Laney> sure
[15:46] <ddstreet> i would also want to make sure the ppa is access-controlled too, since it essentially opens a self-service hole to upload new packages
[15:47] <ddstreet> but as long as the packageset team owns the ppa that should be enough
[15:47] <Laney> but maybe you can agree that you are ok in principle with it being ubuntu-archive (i.e. not the dmb)
[15:47] <Laney> nod
[15:47] <ddstreet> yes i'm fine with the dmb only managing membership in the team
[15:47] <slashd> same here
[15:48] <ddstreet> not sure if we have enough detail to vote on this right now? and probably would need agreement from -sru and/or -archive teams also; should we take it back to the list to continue?
[15:49] <sil2100> Sorry, I have a standup now, let me read the backlog
[15:49] <slashd> sil2100: take your time I think your input will be valuable here
[15:49] <Laney> can come back to it next meeting if you want, I don't think anyone is ready for the rights yet anyway
[15:49] <Laney> just want to have it all in place for when they are
[15:49] <rafaeldtinoco> i think a reply to the email
[15:49] <rafaeldtinoco> with the proposal we have right now
[15:50] <rafaeldtinoco> would be better for voting next meeting
[15:50] <sil2100> Yeah, I think this should be safe and doable, since the OEM meta package generation is very strictly defined and controlled
[15:50] <rafaeldtinoco> if needed, im +1 on the change (to only control the membership of the team)
[15:52] <slashd> should we open a vote ? rbasak just left the meeting, maybe we should reconvene next DMB about this topic
[15:52] <ddstreet> just to clarify, we'd need a specific action item to vote on right?
[15:52] <ddstreet> which i assume for the dmb would only be 'create packageset and owning team' right?
[15:53] <rafaeldtinoco> the motion would be either we manage the packageset OR we manage permissions of who could change the packageset (by adding or removing people to a team)
[15:53] <rafaeldtinoco> yep
[15:54] <slashd> #action vote at next mtg(s) on controlling the membership access for the OEM enablement metapackages.
[15:54] <meetingology> ACTION: vote at next mtg(s) on controlling the membership access for the OEM enablement metapackages.
[15:54] <slashd> anything else on this topic ?
[15:55] <sil2100> I don't have preferences, but I think it would make sense for ubuntu-archive to be able to control this
[15:56] <slashd> thanks sil2100
[15:56] <slashd> #subtopic Verify ubuntu-budgie packages, possibly remove fossfreedom personal packageset if no longer needed (Open TB bugs)
[15:57] <ddstreet> i added this item as i noticed the still-open tb bug
[15:57] <slashd> ack so all good then
[15:57] <ddstreet> added this comment to the bug for clarification https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/1716770/comments/9
[15:57] <ddstreet> i haven't seen any reply from fossfreedom, so we could just close this out
[15:58] <slashd> ack
[15:58] <slashd> I think that cover everything in the agenda. Anything else before we call it a day ?
[16:00] <slashd> I guess we are done then.
[16:00] <slashd> #endmeeting
[16:00] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Jul 27 16:00:48 2020 UTC.
[16:00] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2020/ubuntu-meeting.2020-07-27-15.06.moin.txt
[16:00] <ddstreet> thanks everyone o/
[16:03] <slashd> take care all !