[12:01] <kurumin> Hi
[12:02] <kurumin> this my first visit and my first post here.
[12:02] <kurumin> I am from Brazil
[12:02] <bimberi> welcome!
[12:02] <pippo> hi  from italy
[12:02] <bimberi> ... from Australia
[12:03] <avb> kurumin: new kubuntu user is always welcome here :)
[12:03] <avb> i'm from Belarus
[12:03] <kurumin> I am try to run kubuntu 5.10 on a powermac g3 b&w with 64 mb of ram and it not up!
[12:03] <kurumin> this is not possible in 64 ram?
[12:03] <dennis_p> avb: cool
[12:03] <kurumin> i try live cd
[12:04] <avb> dennis_p: :) not really very cool
[12:04] <avb> kurumin: i think that 128mb will be much better
[12:05] <dennis_p> I know very little of your country
[12:05] <avb> 64mb will be enought to run kde4, but it will be not very comfortable to work with it
[12:08] <kurumin> avb, thanks. If I install it in hd, is it problable that it works more fast?
[12:10] <kurumin> because from cd it turn off the monitor and I cant start it again (the monitor). the cpu is idle.
[12:28] <fatejudger> I looked up in the KDE Beta 2 problems about the Akregator problem
[12:28] <fatejudger> and there was a fix
[12:28] <fatejudger> but I couldn't seem to get it working
[12:28] <fatejudger> I was just wondering whether anyone else had success
[12:30] <Kalidarn> hmm whats the easiest way to install Azureus
[12:30] <Kalidarn> there appears to be no DEBs anywhere
[12:30] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: you have to download it
[12:30] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: it's a Java program
[12:30] <Kalidarn> yeah
[12:30] <Kalidarn> i know
[12:30] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: why would you want Azureus anyway?
[12:30] <Kalidarn> what else could i use?
[12:31] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: KTorrent
[12:31] <LjL> 'cause it's got a lot of features?
[12:31] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: much faster since it's written in C++
[12:31] <Kalidarn> mm
[12:31] <LjL> fatejudger: i'm using ktorrent, but azureus definitely has a bit more features
[12:31] <Kalidarn> is Ktorrent anywhere near as crap as GnomeBit TOrrent
[12:31] <fatejudger> LjL: features such as watching peers?
[12:31] <Kalidarn> that sucked ballz
[12:31] <jaawood> not necessarily faster, but possibly uses less system resources
[12:31] <fatejudger> LjL: the only good thing about Azureus is trackerless torrents
[12:31] <Kalidarn> oh okay i do like watching the peers
[12:31] <Kalidarn> that is necessary
[12:31] <fatejudger> jaawood: that's what I meant
[12:32] <fatejudger> jaawood: not faster as far as DL speed
[12:32] <jaawood> azureus can be a bit of hog with a lot of torrents
[12:32] <Kalidarn> mm and i found Gnome Bit torrent didnt connect to every tracker
[12:32] <LjL> fatejudger: i was thinking mostly about seeing what files are in the torrent and telling it which ones to download, which ones to download first, and which ones not to download
[12:32] <jaawood> fatejudger, right
[12:32] <Kalidarn> cos it was likd of lame
[12:32] <fatejudger> Azureus just completely drains your system of RAM and hogs up a bunch of the swap
[12:32] <fatejudger> with just a couple of torrents
[12:32] <fatejudger> it's horrible
[12:32] <Kalidarn> mmm
[12:32] <Kalidarn> i like BitComet on windows
[12:32] <Kalidarn> for that reason
[12:32] <Kalidarn> its got all the functionality of Azureus
[12:33] <Kalidarn> and its written in C++
[12:33] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: your best bet is to use KTorrent
[12:33] <Kalidarn> okay
[12:33] <jaawood> or abc, that has been working pretty well for me
[12:33] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: probably the fastest torrent program I've ever used
[12:33] <Kalidarn> mm
[12:33] <Kalidarn> might use ABC
[12:33] <Kalidarn> i used it ages ago
[12:33] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: yes, it's simple, but it downloads torrents
[12:33] <Kalidarn> and it was featureles
[12:33] <Kalidarn> does it support DHT?
[12:34] <Kalidarn> fatejudger: does ktorrent support DHT?
[12:34] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: DHT?
[12:34] <Kalidarn> decentralized trackers
[12:34] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: no
[12:34] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: only Azureus does
[12:34] <Kalidarn> mm
[12:34] <Kalidarn> or BitComet
[12:34] <Kalidarn> which isnt for Linux :(
[12:34] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: BitComit is a win prog
[12:34] <Kalidarn> i know
[12:34] <Kalidarn> i wonder how it wines
[12:34] <Kalidarn> lol
[12:35] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: you shouldn't have to worry about decentralized tracking unless the tracker is down
[12:35] <Kalidarn> anyone tried to Wine it
[12:35] <Kalidarn> no buti found it went faster fatejudger
[12:35] <Kalidarn> also ratio sites
[12:35] <Kalidarn> does ktorrent support that
[12:35] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: Wine does not support network protocols
[12:35] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: neither does Cedega
[12:35] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: which is Wine based
[12:35] <Kalidarn> ah okay
[12:35] <Kalidarn> grr
[12:35] <Kalidarn> ;)
[12:35] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: it goes faster because it finds more seeds
[12:35] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: occasionally
[12:35] <LjL> oh, you can't run net apps in wine?
[12:36] <Kalidarn> i could run Filezilla
[12:36] <Kalidarn> ;P
[12:36] <fatejudger> LjL: not that I know of
[12:36] <fatejudger> LjL: I haven't gotten any games to work
[12:36] <fatejudger> LjL: I wouldn't imagine it would be great to use a win prog to download torrents on Linux anyway
[12:36] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: make sure you're using the non-free version of Java if you decide to use Azureus
[12:37] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: the GPL version doesn't work with Azureus
[12:37] <LjL> well, probably not, but still i would have thought wine supported networking
[12:37] <fatejudger> LjL: that would be a bitch
[12:37] <fatejudger> LjL: can you imagine trying to translate Windows TCP/IP calls to Linux TCP/IP stutf?
[12:37] <fatejudger> *stuff
[12:37] <fatejudger> the Windows one is really messed up
[12:37] <fatejudger> it would take way too much time
[12:37] <LjL> i don't know either, except three months of unix sockets course which i completely forgot ;) so no
[12:38] <fatejudger> LjL: it would seem very impractical are rarely used to me
[12:38] <fatejudger> LjL: although it might be useful with MMORPGs
[12:38] <fatejudger> LjL: but Cedega is in charge of the gaming department
[12:38] <LjL> well p2p programs would probably get some use from it
[12:39] <fatejudger> I could be wrong
[12:39] <fatejudger> LjL: why not use native apps?
[12:39] <fatejudger> LjL: what Windows program is that much better that it would be worth it?
[12:39] <fatejudger> LjL: probably better just to write a P2P program natively in QT
[12:39] <Kalidarn> mm ktorrent is okay
[12:39] <Kalidarn> its working atleast
[12:39] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: it's very minimal
[12:40] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: but it's damn fast
[12:40] <Kalidarn> which is more than i can say for gnomebittorrent
[12:40] <LjL> cause they sometimes do not exist, or don't have quite the features one need. for example, i'm on a NAT'ed network, and to use eDonkey, i'd have to use a special version of eMule that's made for my ISP
[12:40] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: CPU wise that is
[12:40] <Kalidarn> yeah gnome bit torrent is minimal too
[12:40] <Kalidarn> and its crap ;P
[12:40] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: and uses almost no mem
[12:40] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: what's wrong with the Gnome one?
[12:40] <Kalidarn> it doesnt connect to alot of trackers
[12:40] <Kalidarn> wheras bitcommet and azureus did
[12:40] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: there is only one tracker
[12:40] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: do you mean "seeds"?
[12:41] <Kalidarn> no no
[12:41] <Kalidarn> lol
[12:41] <Kalidarn> no there can me more trackers
[12:41] <Kalidarn> that 1
[12:41] <Kalidarn> per torrent
[12:41] <Kalidarn> multi-tracker torrents
[12:42] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: KTorrent hasn't even refused to connect to a torrent that Azureus did
[12:42] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: unless it was down
[12:42] <Kalidarn> but what i was referring to was lots of torrents not working (ie cos of tracker timeout)
[12:42] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: but in that case it would be trackerless
[12:42] <Kalidarn> mm okay
[12:42] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: sometimes I use Azureus when that happens
[12:42] <Kalidarn> yeah
[12:42] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: I end up having to kill Java afterwards though
[12:42] <Kalidarn> also its got a queue
[12:42] <Kalidarn> that gnome bit torrent doesntt
[12:42] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: lol, it doesn't?
[12:42] <Kalidarn> runs in one instance
[12:43] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: IMO, Gnome really sucks
[12:43] <Kalidarn> where as gnome bit torrent doesnt
[12:43] <Kalidarn> yes
[12:43] <Kalidarn> i agree
[12:43] <Kalidarn> ktorrent is much nicer
[12:43] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: but this is my opinion as a programmer
[12:43] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: I'm a big OOP fan and C++ and QT are great for that
[12:43] <Kalidarn> and my opinion is of a user
[12:43] <Kalidarn> mm C++ is the best
[12:43] <Kalidarn> GTK i find is unstable
[12:43] <Kalidarn> thats a point
[12:43] <[t0rc] > could someone help me identify what's happening here? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4229
[12:43] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: QT is just super easy to write in
[12:43] <Kalidarn> i used to have Xchat and GAIM like to be force quited
[12:43] <Kalidarn> alot
[12:44] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: it's very intuitive
[12:44] <Kalidarn> i havnt had any crashes in KDE
[12:44] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: gaim is a nice IM client actualy
[12:44] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: but I use Kopete now
[12:44] <Kalidarn> and i didnt have any in XFCE
[12:44] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: it looks a lot nicer
[12:44] <LjL> gnome is just *too* user friendly imho
[12:44] <Kalidarn> but i did in Ubuntu
[12:44] <LjL> a bit like idiot-friendly, even
[12:44] <Kalidarn> i find KDE easier to use
[12:44] <fatejudger> LjL: really, you think so?
[12:44] <Kalidarn> more like Windows
[12:44] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: KDE does appeal to that crowd
[12:44] <Kalidarn> also it runs faster
[12:44] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: which is why Linspire uses it
[12:45] <Kalidarn> for some reason gnome was morel laggy
[12:45] <LjL> fatejudger: well, they won't le me configure a thing because they think i'd have an attack if i saw too many options in a single dialog
[12:45] <fatejudger> LjL: that really isn't a property of user friendlyness
[12:45] <Kalidarn> though the network inteface thing is so gay
[12:45] <fatejudger> LjL: KDE is just known for being HIGHLY configurable
[12:45] <Kalidarn> wont accept my gateway
[12:45] <Kalidarn> i have to add it via terminal command
[12:45] <fatejudger> LjL: and when I say highly, I'm not kidding
[12:45] <Kalidarn> that really f***s me off
[12:46] <LjL> fatejudger: well, it's supposed to be there in order to make it easier for people to find the stuff they're looking for... they simply think feature bloat (and hence options bloat) is always bad
[12:46] <Kalidarn> it just will not apply
[12:46] <Kalidarn> for some reason
[12:46] <Kalidarn> and it wouldt apply my subnet either
[12:46] <Kalidarn> until i gave it an ip via terminal
[12:46] <fatejudger> LjL: it's just a difference in thinking, which is why we have multiple DEs
[12:46] <Kalidarn> i remember in fedora the wireless configurator for KDE was buggy as hell
[12:46] <LjL> fatejudger: i know you're not, for example, the fact alone that KDE allows me to have a single menu bar would be sufficient to buy me
[12:46] <fatejudger> LjL: I have a feeling that KDE will be willing this next round though
[12:46] <Kalidarn> mm
[12:47] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: Fedora... *shudders*
[12:47] <Kalidarn> KDE 4 is supposed to be revolutionary
[12:47] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: KDE 4 is written in QT 4
[12:47] <Kalidarn> i hate fedora its a piece of crap
[12:47] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: and will now be portable across almost all platforms
[12:47] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: KDE will run on Linux, OS X, and Windows
[12:47] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: this supposedly convinces people to switch
[12:47] <Kalidarn> mmmmmmmmmm
[12:48] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: however I think it just makes them lazy
[12:48] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: and less likely to switch
[12:48] <Kalidarn> nah
[12:48] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: there's a big debate going on
[12:48] <Kalidarn> got to come to windows
[12:48] <Kalidarn> you aint gonna steal people any other way
[12:48] <Kalidarn> cos they arent going to make the jump
[12:48] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: one of the main advantages of Linux is the stability and security
[12:48] <Kalidarn> unless you can bridge
[12:48] <Kalidarn> correct fatejudger
[12:48] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: they won't see that unless they switch completely
[12:49] <Kalidarn> but they wont switch completly unless the know how to use it
[12:49] <Kalidarn> or are used to it
[12:49] <Kalidarn> linux is still "nerdy"
[12:49] <Kalidarn> to alot of people
[12:49] <LjL> with good reason, sometimes
[12:50] <Kalidarn> hah
[12:50] <Kalidarn> i could never go back to gnome
[12:50] <fatejudger> people view Linux as difficult to use as compared to Windows
[12:50] <Kalidarn> i must admit though Kubuntu 5.04 sucked balls
[12:50] <fatejudger> that gap has been bridged in my opinion
[12:50] <LjL> fatejudger: well, that's cause it it :)
[12:50] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: Hoary was great
[12:50] <Kalidarn> i absolutly hated it
[12:50] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: what was wrong with it?
[12:50] <Kalidarn> because it came with default dupe apps
[12:51] <fatejudger> ?
[12:51] <Kalidarn> also konquror was more annoying
[12:51] <Kalidarn> by default
[12:51] <Kalidarn> 3 consoles
[12:51] <Kalidarn> konsole
[12:51] <Kalidarn> some other one
[12:51] <Kalidarn> and some other one
[12:51] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: Konq was crappier, but that wasn't Kubuntu's fault
[12:51] <Kalidarn> well it was the default layout
[12:51] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: Konq is just beautiful in KDE 3.5
[12:51] <Kalidarn> mm
[12:51] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: AdBlock feature
[12:51] <Kalidarn> nah 5.04 did suck
[12:51] <fatejudger> Kalidarn: increased speed
[12:51] <LjL> how stable is 3.5, by the way?
[12:51] <Kalidarn> krynaptic was gay
[12:51] <fatejudger> LjL: it's very stable
[12:51] <Kalidarn> mm fatejudger
[12:51] <fatejudger> LjL: surprisingly stable for a Beta
[12:51] <Kalidarn> im not using the beta atm
[12:52] <Kalidarn> is it in dapper testing?
[12:52] <fatejudger> no
[12:52] <fatejudger> it has its own repo
[12:52] <fatejudger> !KDE
[12:52] <ubotu> I heard kde is A powerful, free desktop environment for UNIX. IRC: #kubuntu #kde ; install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[12:52] <fatejudger> eh, not that one
[12:52] <LjL> fatejudger: you mean that except for the stuff listed in Kubuntu's known bugs page, i would be relatively safe installing it for daily usage?
[12:52] <fatejudger> www.kubuntu.org
[12:52] <fatejudger> it's on the main page
[12:52] <fatejudger> LjL: I would say so
[12:52] <fatejudger> LjL: just be VERY careful with that arts bug
[12:52] <Kalidarn> mm
[12:53] <fatejudger> LjL: you will scream if you accidentally upgrade it
[12:53] <LjL> fatejudger: downgrading it back isn't painless?
[12:53] <fatejudger> LjL: I did, and I had a KDE crash window every 3 seconds
[12:53] <fatejudger> LjL: downgrading what?
[12:53] <LjL> arts
[12:53] <fatejudger> no, that's super easy
[12:53] <fatejudger> LjL: but you don't have to upgrade in the first place
[12:53] <fatejudger> LjL: just leave the current version of arts on there
[12:53] <fatejudger> LjL: in the upgrade section, just select "keep"
[12:53] <Kalidarn> as Mark Shuttleworth said in a conference, "Kubuntu has got better"
[12:53] <Kalidarn> and inded it has
[12:54] <Kalidarn> Xubuntu still sucks
[12:54] <Kalidarn> ;p
[12:54] <Kalidarn> but im sure it will get better
[12:54] <fatejudger> Xubuntu?
[12:54] <LjL> fatejudger: i'm using aptitude... i suppose i can look up how to "keep" packages in aptitude, anyway
[12:54] <Kalidarn> i hate desktop environemnts where they hate desktop icons
[12:54] <Kalidarn> its XFCE
[12:54] <Kalidarn> ie Ubuntu = Gnome Kubuntu = KDE Xubuntu = XFCE
[12:54] <Kalidarn> Rox their file manager sucks
[12:54] <LjL> Kalidarn: well, both Ubuntu and Kubuntu apparently hate desktop icons :)
[12:54] <Kalidarn> no
[12:55] <Kalidarn> they have desktop icons
[12:55] <Kalidarn> i like desktop cons
[12:55] <Kalidarn> where i dump files
[12:55] <Kalidarn> then i sort them
[12:55] <Kalidarn> they go there and they annoy me
[12:55] <fatejudger> I can't stand desktop icons
[12:55] <Kalidarn> so then i deal with them
[12:55] <Kalidarn> and put them where they belong
[12:55] <fatejudger> in Windows, I used to only have my recycling bin
[12:55] <LjL> do they? i don't see any, the ones that are default in KDE and Gnome are removed in (K)ubuntu by default
[12:55] <Kalidarn> same fatejudger
[12:55] <Kalidarn> i used to clean
[12:55] <fatejudger> now I have the recycling bin in the kicker
[12:55] <Kalidarn> same
[12:56] <fatejudger> I love the new kicker features in KDE 3.5
[12:56] <Kalidarn> i like them because they remind me to dwal with them
[12:56] <fatejudger> lock taskbar
[12:56] <Kalidarn> like when i download a file
[12:56] <fatejudger> elegant taskbar
[12:56] <Kalidarn> i like it to go on my desktop
[12:56] <fatejudger> multiple desktop icons
[12:56] <LjL> fatejudger: do you know by any chance if they've fixed the top-of-the-screen-menubar behavior?
[12:56] <fatejudger> LjL: ?
[12:56] <fatejudger> LjL: in KDE 3.5?
[12:56] <LjL> yeah
[12:56] <sample> gudmorning
[12:57] <fatejudger> LjL: want me to move it to the top?
[12:57] <fatejudger> LjL: I always keep mine at the bottom, but I can try it for you
[12:57] <LjL> fatejudger: that's not what i mean
[12:57] <fatejudger> ?
[12:57] <LjL> fatejudger: what i mean is, right click on the desktop, "Configure desktop", and "..... MacOS-style menubar"
[12:58] <fatejudger> MacOS style menubar?
[12:58] <LjL> yeah, one menubar at the top of the screen for all apps. like macos and amigaos (and decent interfaces in general ;) do
[12:58] <fatejudger> what about it?
[12:58] <fatejudger> LjL: eww, that is ugly as hell
[12:58] <fatejudger> LjL: it's plain
[12:58] <fatejudger> LjL: at least OS X has the clock at icons in it
[12:58] <LjL> your opinion... my opinion, as well as that of people who've done usability tests, is that it's much better
[12:59] <LjL> it's a panel
[12:59] <LjL> you can add what you prefer to it
[12:59] <LjL> just right click on it, and add
[12:59] <LjL> and that's exactly the problem with kde 3.4...
[12:59] <LjL> in older versions of KDE, you could add a "Menu bar" applet to *any* panel, and the menu would *only* show there
[01:00] <fatejudger> LjL: well, this menu panel is weird
[01:00] <fatejudger> LjL: there are two panels
[01:00] <LjL> now that applet has gone (it's hidden, actually), and you're forced to stay with that unmovablepanel that gets activated by doing "MacOS style menubar"
[01:00] <fatejudger> LjL: one on top of each other
[01:00] <LjL> yes, that's precisely the problem (one of the problems, anyway)
[01:01] <LjL> i'm now forced to do something very ugly in order to only have *one* panel with both menus and the rest
[01:01] <fatejudger> LjL: that is strange
[01:01] <fatejudger> LjL: I'm not a big OS X fan myself
[01:01] <LjL> (specifically, i place the "Main panel" in the bottom-left corner of the screen, resize it to 1%, and set it to hidden.... ugly, eh?)
[01:01] <fatejudger> LjL: no taskbar = big problem
[01:01] <LjL> fatejudger: never used OS X in my life, or even had a Mac
[01:01] <LjL> fatejudger: i do have a taskbar
[01:02] <LjL> fatejudger: only, it's placed on the bottom-center of the screen, and hidden. it only shows when i reach the bottom of the screen with the mouse
[01:02] <LjL> fatejudger: another approach (which is the one MacOS uses) is to add a "Windows List" applet to the panel, but i find that harder to use
[01:03] <fatejudger> LjL: yeah
[01:03] <fatejudger> LjL: usability scrificed for eye candy
[01:03] <fatejudger> LjL: although macs have this cool feature when you press Fsomething
[01:03] <fatejudger> LjL: and it sorts the windows
[01:03] <LjL> hmm? actually, in this case i think it's eye candy sacrificed for screen estate
[01:03] <fatejudger> LjL: and you can click on the one you want to see
[01:04] <LjL> and screen estate is something i do value. i spent a lot of money for every inch of my monitor ;)
[01:04] <fatejudger> LjL: screen estate is big for me
[01:04] <fatejudger> LjL: my rez is only 1024x768
[01:04] <fatejudger> LjL: which is why I LOVE multiple desktops
[01:05] <LjL> well, in my case, the net result is that i have *one* (small) panel at the top of the screen, and nothing else, *with no menubar for every single window*, which is a waste of space
[01:05] <[t0rc] > http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4229 help anyone?
[01:05] <LjL> i mean, i do have a taskbar as i said, but that doesn't count as it stays hidden and well out of the way
[01:05] <fatejudger> [t0rc] : holy shit, what did you do?
[01:06] <LjL> i don't really like multiple desktops. i liked the "screens" concept in AmigaOS, which is similar, but different enough to make a difference, pardon the pun
[01:06] <[t0rc] > fatejudger: idk...attempts to get fglrx drivers workin... thats my xorg.0.log
[01:06] <fatejudger> LjL: what's wrong with multiple desktops?
[01:06] <[t0rc] > fatejudger: or whats left of it...it's like 100kb.
[01:07] <fatejudger> [t0rc] : I can't really help you out much there
[01:07] <fatejudger> [t0rc] : I use nvidia-glx
[01:07] <[t0rc] > fatejudger: hmm...suggestions?
[01:08] <[t0rc] > ahh, okay.
[01:08] <fatejudger> [t0rc] : oh geez, ATI stuff?
[01:08] <fatejudger> [t0rc] : you are using one of the compatible cards right?
[01:08] <[t0rc] > yerp
[01:08] <fatejudger> [t0rc] : and you installed the package from apt?
[01:08] <[t0rc] > 9800 Pro
[01:09] <[t0rc] > basicall what happened: Running: Breezy 5.10, ATI 9800 Pro; Downloaded xorg fglrx drivers via synaptic as well as control panel; installed both; did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg; ctrl-alt-backspace or /etc/init.d/gdm restart; at this point, im left at a TTY; tried fglrxconfig; ctrl-alt-bspace; GUI, but after fglrxinfo, it's using MESA again, not ati drivers.
[01:09] <LjL> fatejudger: *wrong*, nothing, but i never found them very elegant... on AmigaOS, screens opened automatically when needed (as configured by the user, if wanted, obiously), and each could have a different resolution and bit depth depending on the purpose...
[01:09] <[t0rc] > yerp
[01:09] <LjL> fatejudger: anyway, in KDE, i prefer to just keep windows i'm using maximized. that's definitely not what i did in AmigaOS, but i find it more natural here
[01:09] <fatejudger> LjL: I configured multiple desktops to only show the apps in the taskbar that are part of the desktop
[01:10] <fatejudger> LjL: so it's like having 4 monitors
[01:10] <LjL> fatejudger: perhaps it's just because I associate KDE more with Windows than with AmigaOS
[01:11] <fatejudger> [t0rc] : wow, sounds like you got screwed
[01:11] <fatejudger> [t0rc] : all I had to do was download nvidia-glx, type a command, and restart KDM
[01:11] <[t0rc] > fatejudger: pretty much. that's how it seems.
[01:11] <fatejudger> [t0rc] : have you completely restarted your computer yet?
[01:12] <[t0rc] > fatejudger: wel i had it working in hoary hedgehog...but now with breezy...something has changed
[01:12] <[t0rc] > yep
[01:12] <[t0rc] > fatejudger: multiple times
[01:12] <fatejudger> [t0rc] : that's REALLY strange
[01:12] <fatejudger> [t0rc] : I'd come back later on in the day when the experts come on
[01:12] <fatejudger> [t0rc] : they're better with that stuff than I am
[01:12] <[t0rc] > heh
[01:12] <kkathman> hello all :)
[01:13] <LjL> fatejudger: figure what, if it were for me, i'd even move apps' toolbars to a single screen-wide bar... not even macos does that ;-) but i think it's the natural extension of the single-menubar concept
[01:14] <LjL> fatejudger: applications' *windows* should be there for displaying their document's content, and nothing else, in my view. the "tools" (toolbars, menus, whatever) should be outside the window
[01:15] <fatejudger> LjL: so you think the top menubar should go?
[01:15] <fatejudger> LjL: as well as the second to the top one?
[01:16] <fatejudger> LjL: after awhile it starts destroying the layout
[01:16] <LjL> fatejudger: hm? no, wait, what do you mean?
[01:16] <fatejudger> LjL: there's something to be said about a self contained program
[01:16] <fatejudger> LjL: the window bar
[01:16] <fatejudger> LjL: it isn't absolutely necessary to have there
[01:16] <fatejudger> LjL: but it's smart
[01:17] <LjL> fatejudger: you mean the window title?
[01:17] <fatejudger> LjL: yeah
[01:17] <fatejudger> LjL: the window title bar
[01:17] <[t0rc] > fatejudger: well thanks for your time.
[01:17] <LjL> fatejudger: well, i'd get rid of it if i could think of a better alternative, but i can't
[01:18] <LjL> fatejudger: but look for example at the way BeOS does it (there is a window theme in KDE that simulates the BeOS way, i think)
[01:18] <LjL> fatejudger: it doesn't remove title bars, but it makes them take as little space as possible
[01:19] <fatejudger> LjL: I've never used BeOS
[01:19] <fatejudger> LjL: but these OSs were created back in time of 8 inch monitors
[01:19] <fatejudger> LjL: this isn't a reality now
[01:19] <fatejudger> LjL: people have desktop space
[01:19] <LjL> fatejudger: try the B2 window decoration, you'll see what i mean
[01:19] <fatejudger> LjL: many times with huge widescreens and super high resolutions
[01:19] <LjL> fatejudger: BeOS was first sold in 1996 or 1998 or so
[01:20] <LjL> fatejudger: it's one of the most recent OSes i can think of
[01:21] <LjL> though the B2 theme doesn't look very nice at all IMHO
[01:22] <fatejudger> the Moodin developer really needs to fix those links
[01:23] <LjL> are you looking for B2? it's in kdeartwork-theme-window
[01:24] <Kalidarn> i wonder what cedega 5 has
[01:31] <SpecialBuddy> Does anyone know how to get higher screen resolution sizes
[01:31] <SpecialBuddy> ?
[01:32] <Kalidarn> how big is ur screen SpecialBuddy
[01:33] <SpecialBuddy> well on my laptop it's 1024x768
[01:34] <SpecialBuddy> but I hooked up a larger monitor
[01:34] <SpecialBuddy> and it's as big as I can go
[01:35] <SpecialBuddy> Kalidarn?
[01:35] <Kalidarn> mm
[01:35] <Kalidarn> ah okay
[01:35] <Kalidarn> u got ur drivers installed?
[01:35] <SpecialBuddy> drivers for my monitor?
[01:35] <Kalidarn> no graphics card
[01:36] <SpecialBuddy> I think so
[01:37] <kkathman> SpecialBuddy: you tried playing with the display resolutions I suppose
[01:37] <SpecialBuddy> I have always had video but I plugged in another monitor and it the image is on the monitor and the laptop monitor is black
[01:37] <SpecialBuddy> yeah
[01:38] <Kalidarn> sorry i cant help you
[01:38] <kkathman> SpecialBuddy: Sometimes on your laptop there is a function key and like an F-key that will put the image on both...have you looked at that?
[01:38] <kkathman> Like on my Thinkpad its FN-F8
[01:39] <SpecialBuddy> I have a think pad too
[01:39] <SpecialBuddy> I'll try that
[01:39] <kkathman> sometimes you have to cycle through
[01:40] <kkathman> on your TP it might be diff...look on the F keys and there should be an F-key with a screen on it
[01:43] <kkathman> oops my fn key is F7  so I just hit the Fn key and the lower left and the F7 key at the same time, and that switches mode
[01:48] <conn> hi, is it possible to grab the kernel source from the repositories and compile just one module, to be inserted into the standard kernel?
[01:48] <jk-> hi all.
[01:49] <conn> sorry for the question, but I'm on a slow computer and it takes hours to compile the entire kernel
[01:49] <jk-> anyone know if it's possible to add search dirs for the kio_info module? info://gcc doesn't find the info page, even though one exists.
[01:52] <kkathman> !kernel compile
[01:52] <ubotu> I don't know, kkathman
[01:52] <kkathman> oops
[01:52] <kkathman> !kernelcompile
[01:52] <ubotu> You will probably find info about this at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto
[01:52] <kkathman> conn thats for you
[01:53] <conn> reading now, thx
[01:53] <conn> !kernelcompile
[01:53] <ubotu> You will probably find info about this at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto
[01:57] <LjL> i'm not willing to compile a kernel for ubuntu, but something i think should probably be enabled by default in the standard kernel is SysRq support
[01:57] <LjL> it doesn't get in the way of "newbies", and it's just useful when all goes south
[01:59] <jk-> ah, nevermind, looks like there is no gcc info page, but the info command just reverts to displaying the man page.
[02:03] <overlade> hi all , nobody know the arch channel plz ?
[02:09] <conn> kkathman, I followed the guide up to actually compiling. I imported ubuntu's config for my kernel, but I modified only one setting, to enable rw support in the ntfs module. Is it safe to "make modules" (and not the kernel) then sue the ntfs.ko that's produced, do you think?
[02:09] <conn> *use
[02:11] <sambagirl> who your going to sue?
[02:11] <sambagirl> i thought is free? why your sueing?
[02:11] <conn> ;) typo
[02:11] <sambagirl> ohhh
[02:11] <sambagirl> :)
[02:13] <sambagirl> if it saying Remote closed the connection, it meaning that they shut off client?
[02:13] <sambagirl> what is dead socket?
[02:44] <_jacques> i have no write permissions on my FAT32 partitions after installing kubuntu. what do i have to change?
[02:44] <linuxania> is kde 3.5 RC1 going to be released today
[02:46] <bimberi> _jacques: /etc/fstab, change ro to rw on the relevant lines
[02:48] <_jacques> bimberi: thanks, but it already says that. the line reads: defaults,uid=0,gid=0,auto,rw,nouser
[02:48] <fujisan> HELP
[02:48] <fujisan> my xp pro can do so much more than kubuntu how do i set kubuntu to do the same?
[02:49] <conn> does anyone know where I can find the modules right after "make modules" during kernel compilation?
[02:49] <jk-> conn: they're around the build tree
[02:49] <jk-> you can 'make modules_install' to get them installed in /lib/modules/
[02:49] <conn> jk-, where's that?
[02:50] <jk-> conn: where you ran make
[02:50] <conn> jk-, no, I don't want to do that, I need just one module
[02:50] <jk-> ah
[02:50] <jk-> which one?
[02:50] <conn> ntfs.ko
[02:50] <fujisan> you guys cant answer my question..?
[02:50] <bimberi> _jacques: hm, the uid=0,gid-0 bit probably means that only root can write to it (but i don't know a lot about it, "man mount" knows more)
[02:50] <fujisan> ;(
[02:50] <jk-> something like fs/ntfs/ntfs.ko
[02:51] <jk-> or 'find ./ -name ntfs.ko' :)
[02:51] <jk-> fujisan: what exactly is the problem ?
[02:51] <_jacques> bimberi: i guess if changed that to 1000 it would work for me, probably not for other users tho...
[02:51] <fujisan> i cant use my external tv card i cant play games on kubuntu :(
[02:51] <fujisan> i cant use my htpc software
[02:52] <fujisan> all its good for is chat, browse (http) and internetradio and text office things
[02:52] <fujisan> its so limited
[02:52] <bimberi> _jacques: yes, although i think you can do things with the mask switches to enable all users access too
[02:52] <propagandhi> fujisan: heres a thought - perhaps kubuntu isnt what you are looking for, perhaps heading back to windows town is the way to go
[02:52] <fujisan> i'll just wait for windows vesta :)))
[02:53] <propagandhi> fujisan: lucky you, vista is going to be fabulous (note the sarcasm)
[02:53] <_jacques> bimberi: thanks for you help! weird of the ubuntu installation to get this wrong... but i'm on it
[02:53] <fujisan> i know its so great
[02:53] <bimberi> _jacques: np :)
[02:53] <fujisan> isnt it great closed source which can do all your things ;)))
[02:54] <fujisan> w/o even trying to hard :)
[02:54] <propagandhi> fujisan: depends what your things are and how mentally disabled you are
[02:54] <fujisan> Bill Gates is my hero ;)
[02:54] <fujisan> hehe
[02:54] <propagandhi> fujisan: http://www.bisonium.com/blog/images/Gates-Jugend.jpg
[02:55] <fujisan> i never click on links from people i dont know
[02:55] <fujisan> my dad says its bad
[02:55] <propagandhi> fujisan: it must be bed time about now hey?
[02:55] <fujisan> btw i think the apple os is the best ever i have a mac laptop
[02:55] <fujisan> ;))
[02:55] <fujisan> yes i'm up against the rules :p
[02:55] <fujisan> yaya
[02:56] <propagandhi> fujisan: what version of OSX
[02:56] <fujisan> g10 something
[02:56] <_jacques> this is one hell of a conversation!
[02:56] <propagandhi> _jacques: yes totally agree
[02:56] <fujisan> _jacques i know cuz your not in it ..:P
[02:56] <_jacques> hehe.
[02:57] <propagandhi> fujisan: I'm finding it hard to take you seriously
[02:57] <propagandhi> fujisan: why are you here
[02:58] <fujisan> i'm a wizkid
[02:58] <fujisan> i was joking
[02:58] <fujisan> i write software
[02:58] <propagandhi> fujisan: software such as
[02:58] <fujisan> i cant talk about it
[02:58] <fujisan> work in progress :)
[02:59] <propagandhi> fujisan: you're a real nutter
[02:59] <fujisan> i'm working on a new os
[02:59] <fujisan> for robots
[02:59] <fujisan> ai
[03:00] <fujisan> you wouldnt understand
[03:00] <fujisan> :)
[03:00] <jk-> conn: working?
[03:00] <_jacques> fujisan: i get the impression you're talking to yourself!
[03:01] <fujisan> _jacques i cant help it i'm smart and cocky soz
[03:01] <fujisan> :)
[03:01] <conn> jk-, I ran a search and it only found the 2 modules already on my system :(
[03:01] <fujisan> aww :(
[03:01] <jk-> conn: 'grep NTFS .config' ?
[03:02] <jk-> (this is all from the directory where you ran 'make')
[03:02] <conn> CONFIG_NTFS_FS=m
[03:02] <conn> # CONFIG_NTFS_DEBUG is not set
[03:02] <conn> CONFIG_NTFS_RW=y
[03:02] <propagandhi> fujisan: i think they call this trolling
[03:02] <conn> it's set to compile as a module with rw enabled
[03:02] <jk-> ok, cool
[03:03] <conn> would someone else have the ntfs.ko available for the default ubuntu kernel I can just download?
[03:03] <fujisan> trolling?
[03:03] <fujisan> i'm just joking
[03:03] <conn> I'm on a PII system and I don't have time to compile the whole kernel
[03:03] <jk-> oh
[03:03] <fujisan> lol
[03:03] <jk-> you haven't compiled it yet then?
[03:03] <jk-> didn't you 'make modules' ?
[03:03] <conn> jk-, I skipped to "make modules", and ommitted make
[03:03] <jk-> that should be fine..
[03:04] <conn> the modules are still being compiled, but it passed the ntfs dir
[03:04] <jk-> and 'find ./ -name ntfs.ko' didn't return anything?
[03:04] <fujisan> i love you guys :))
[03:04] <fujisan> exp. you propagandhi
[03:04] <fujisan> :P
[03:04] <propagandhi> fujisan: so do you have a legitimate question about anything to do with kubuntu
[03:04] <conn> nope, just the default 386 and 686 kernel modules in /lib/modules/
[03:04] <fujisan> esp. *
[03:04] <fujisan> yes
[03:05] <jk-> how about just 'make fs/ntfs/ntfs.ko'  ?
[03:05] <jk-> conn: if you did a 'find ./', it shouldn't list anything above the current dir...
[03:05] <fujisan> how do i recompile a reversed engineered module from the kernel without having to do the primary install again , propagandhi?
[03:06] <conn> make: *** No rule to make target `fs/ntfs/ntfs.ko'.  Stop.
[03:06] <jk-> conn: oh, you mean the modules are still building?
[03:06] <conn> jk-, I searched from /, the entire system
[03:07] <jk-> conn: ok, no need to do that though :)
[03:07] <conn> jk-, they were still building yes, but it finished with the fs (and ntfs) dir
[03:07] <fujisan> i read the cathedral and the bazar
[03:07] <fujisan> great story
[03:07] <conn> how do I build just that dir? your instructions didn't work
[03:07] <fujisan> Open source
[03:08] <jk-> conn: hang a sec, i haven't played with the kbuild stuff for a while.
[03:08] <fujisan> only thing i like as open source would be sex and women like in the 60s :P
[03:08] <jsubl2> maybe cd fs/ntfs && make
[03:08] <propagandhi> fujisan: i can honestly tell you I dont know
[03:08] <fujisan> ok propagandhi
[03:08] <fujisan> np
[03:08] <fujisan> ;)
[03:08] <jk-> make SUBDIRS=fs/ntfs
[03:09] <jk-> or, even better:
[03:09] <jk-> make SUBDIRS=fs/ntfs modules
[03:09] <conn> jsubl2 maybe cd fs/ntfs && make
[03:09] <conn> propagandhi fujisan: i can honestly tell
[03:09] <conn> oops sorry!
[03:09] <conn> I pasted from here by accident
[03:09] <fujisan> SPAMMER
[03:09] <jk-> conn: you won't be able to cd && make :(
[03:10] <jsubl2> o sorry
[03:10] <conn> it made the module but with warnings
[03:10] <conn> it says symbol version dump /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.12/Module.symvers
[03:10] <conn>  is missing; modules will have no dependencies and modversions.
[03:10] <jk-> warnings about overriding SUBDIRS on the command line ?
[03:10] <jk-> ah, ok.
[03:11] <jk-> it may work now.. just try it out with insmod.
[03:11] <conn> ok
[03:12] <jsubl2> you need to copy it into place and do a update-modules don't you
[03:12] <jk-> nope
[03:12] <jk-> well not if it's just a once-off
[03:12] <conn> it inserted, but I got a kernel tainted message in the kernel
[03:13] <conn> ntfs: no version for "struct_module" found: kernel tainted.
[03:13] <jk-> if you want to have a 'proper' module, you'll need to do a complete 'make modules'
[03:14] <conn> but will this tainted driver work?
[03:14] <jk-> it will probably work :)
[03:14] <jk-> try to mount a ntfs partition?
[03:14] <conn> I'm gonna use it to install linux on a ntfs partition in a prepared loopback file :)
[03:15] <jk-> watch out though, i've heard the RW support can be kinda dangerous.
[03:15] <conn> afaik the rw mode is fine on normal files if the size doesn't change
[03:15] <jk-> conn: you have somethign against partitions? :)
[03:16] <jk-> how are you planning to boot into the loopback mount ?
[03:16] <sophie_> exit
[03:16] <sophie_> screen
[03:16] <conn> jk-, actually, I do. I installed ubuntu on my laptop twice now, and I've had to remove it because of driver troubles. I have limited space and it's a PITA to ntfsresize/fdisk and shrink/resize :)
[03:16] <sophie_> oops
[03:16] <conn> jk-, to boot, I was thinking of creating a small partition for /boot to hold the kernel etc, and use it to mount the loopback file and change to root
[03:17] <jk-> conn: i guess you could do some cool stuff with an initramfs too, and not need a /boot at all :)
[03:17] <conn> jk-, I'll take your word on that because i have no clue what it is, hehe
[03:17] <jk-> ah
[03:17] <jk-> a small filesystem passed to the kernel as a complete image (at boot)
[03:18] <jk-> the kernel extracts it into ram and uses it as an early root fs.
[03:18] <conn> this is what I'm basing my efforts on: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=103089008129720&w=2
[03:18] <jsubl2> you could use a live cd
[03:18] <conn> jk-, yes but wouldn't that need, eg a prepared boot floppy?
[03:18] <conn> or cd, yes
[03:18] <jk-> conn: nope
[03:19] <fujisan> i have linux for dummies the ebook :))
[03:19] <conn> I've used the live cd, my cdrom is too slow to make it usuable
[03:19] <yudi> does anyone know how to fix my display resolution? i just have 320x240 and 640x480 :( even i use GeForce 2 Tornado.. i only can use >= 800x600 in windows.. how to fix it?
[03:19] <conn> jk-, how could I boot into that without a floppy or partition?
[03:20] <yudi> do you know what i mean? sorry i'm not fluent in english
[03:20] <SpecialBuddy> I need to know how to fix resolution too
[03:20] <yudi> SpecialBuddy: yes.. me too buddy :)
[03:20] <jk-> conn: the initramfs is packed into the kernel boot image
[03:20] <jsubl2> yudi: try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:21] <yudi> thank u jsubl2
[03:21] <jk-> so as long as the bootloader can load the boot image (kernel + initramfs) , it'll work
[03:21] <SpecialBuddy> thanks
[03:21] <jk-> but yeah, will require a bit of hacking :)
[03:21] <jsubl2> good luck SpecialBuddy and yudi
[03:21] <conn> jk-, but you can't boot into the loopback file, so you need to somehow boot into that kernel.. oh, can u boot into a kernel image from a ntfs partition?
[03:22] <jk-> you'd boot into the uncomressed ram fs, then mount your loopback fs, then chroot to that
[03:23] <conn> interesting :)
[03:23] <SpecialBuddy> thanks
[03:23] <conn> but seriously, if we could streamline this process (providing it works), it would be a nice way for windows users to have a trial run of ubuntu with less hassle
[03:24] <jk-> i think that's what the live cd is for ;)
[03:24] <conn> it would have been a lot easier for me if the standard kernel had rw support, hehe ;)
[03:24] <conn> I guess so, but I find live cd's really limited on my system, it's old-ish
[03:24] <jsubl2> always cygwin considered that
[03:26] <conn> either way it's an interesting challenge to see if I can get it working :)
[03:26] <jk-> yeah :)
[03:26] <jk-> let us know how it goes :)
[03:27] <conn> I will, thx
[03:27] <conn> I better make a note of the fs you mentioned, what was it?
[03:27] <conn> ah initramfs
[03:27] <jk-> yup
[03:27] <conn> thanks for all the help, it's much appreciated
[03:34] <SpecialBuddy> I really wish I didn't upgrade to breezy
[03:34] <SpecialBuddy> it sucks compared to the last version
[03:35] <jsubl2> why whats wrong
[03:35] <jsubl2> i like it better
[03:35] <SpecialBuddy> I just don't like it
[03:35] <SpecialBuddy> I have to restart all the time to get wireless to work
[03:36] <jsubl2> yeah i don't know about wireless.. have you tried the wiki
[03:36] <SpecialBuddy> no but the last version had no problems
[03:36] <SpecialBuddy> this version has all kinds
[03:37] <jsubl2> well maybe just find a little tweak to make on the wiki and all would be well u don't know if you dont try.. what kinda wireless
[03:38] <SpecialBuddy> well I'm just saying that I had no problems before and it sucks that I have to find or look for ways to fix it because I didn't have to before
[03:38] <SpecialBuddy> I don't know much about linux as it is
[03:38] <jsubl2> do you know the kinda wireless you have
[03:38] <SpecialBuddy> and my keyboard keeps messing up and I don't think it's the keyboard
[03:39] <jsubl2> laptop or desktop
[03:39] <SpecialBuddy> it's a laptop
[03:39] <jsubl2> that is odd
[03:39] <SpecialBuddy> yeah
[03:39] <jsubl2> what kinda laptop
[03:39] <SpecialBuddy> thinkpad
[03:39] <SpecialBuddy> r51
[03:41] <jsubl2> the only stuff i see on the wiki is hoary
[03:41] <n2zstik> hello!
[03:41] <SpecialBuddy> ha
[03:41] <SpecialBuddy> figures
[03:42] <jsubl2> they have r50 and r52  no 51
[03:42] <jsubl2> my boss is supposed to get me a thinkpad next year
[03:43] <SpecialBuddy> oh yeah
[03:43] <SpecialBuddy> our school gives them to everyone
[03:43] <jsubl2> current model i hope
[03:43] <jsubl2> really nice.. which school
[03:43] <SpecialBuddy> Northern Michigan University
[03:43] <SpecialBuddy> my stupid keyboard keeps typing the wrong letters
[03:44] <yudi> su
[03:44] <jsubl2> it works ok with windows
[03:44] <SpecialBuddy> the laptop is ok and I would thnk about buying one but this one sucks
[03:44] <SpecialBuddy> 1.3 celeron
[03:44] <yudi> sorry :( wrong channel :(
[03:44] <SpecialBuddy> our school goes cheep
[03:44] <jsubl2> well it was free haha
[03:44] <SpecialBuddy> not really
[03:44] <SpecialBuddy> nothing is free
[03:44] <HaLoGeN> sorry got disconnected just now..what's the solution
[03:45] <jsubl2> yeah i know i was being sarcastic
[03:45] <SpecialBuddy> it's more of a loan and still have to pay with tuition
[03:45] <jsubl2> i am sure the tuition is steep enough to pay for it
[03:45] <jk-> HaLoGeN: soluion to what?
[03:45] <jk-> *solution
[03:45] <SpecialBuddy> it's not a bad idea but I need something more powerful for what I'm doing
[03:45] <cyne> anyone know why when i run glxgears, or an open gl game, that every few seconds there is a slight pause in the video output?
[03:46] <jsubl2> the newest laptop info is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/
[03:47] <SpecialBuddy> it works good wth windows, I have server2003, xp and linux installed on it
[03:47] <cyne> could it be something to do with my driver settings?
[03:48] <jsubl2> SpecialBuddy: yeah i really don't know the best distro for laptops.... i don't have one so...
[03:49] <fatejudger> will Kubuntu ever auto-connect inserted wireless cards?
[03:49] <melodramatic> i only have a p3 1000mhz should i go with gnome or kde.. im new to linux so i dont really know both of those
[03:49] <SpecialBuddy> well kubuntu and ubuntu have been the best except for breezy
[03:49] <fatejudger> instead of having to bring them up manually
[03:49] <fatejudger> melodramatic: how much RAM?
[03:49] <melodramatic> 512
[03:50] <fatejudger> melodramatic: KDE
[03:50] <melodramatic> ok thks so i guess kde is asking less ram than gnome?
[03:50] <yudi> jsubl2: should i choose autodetect video hardware: yes / no?
[03:50] <fatejudger> melodramatic: no, Gnome uses a tiny bit less
[03:50] <jsubl2> what kinda of video hardware
[03:50] <fatejudger> melodramatic: but KDE is just beautiful
[03:50] <melodramatic> ok :) thks ill go with kubuntu than
[03:50] <fatejudger> melodramatic: I doubt you'll notice the difference
[03:50] <jsubl2> yudi what kinda of video hardware
[03:51] <firephoto> melodramatic: i have kubuntu loaded up on a thinkpad t20  p700 w/256mb ram. runs fine.
[03:51] <firephoto> (savage vid driver issues though)
[03:51] <melodramatic> is ubuntu and kubuntu developped by the same team?
[03:51] <yudi> jsubl2: graphics card... i only have resolution 640x480.. and it's annoying
[03:52] <yudi> jsubl2: i want to have resolution more than that
[03:52] <melodramatic> ho if your thinkpad runs it i might be fine
[03:52] <jsubl2> yudi: yeah say yes and if you still have problems you can run the command again
[03:52] <yudi> jsubl2: :) ok
[03:57] <yudi> I use inno3D MX(400) 64BIT 64MB AGP DDR VA, what i should choose about the X Server Driver?
[04:04] <jsubl2> is that an nvidia variant the mx400 part looks familiar.. but nvidia is normally detected ok
[04:05] <jsubl2> yudi: sorry i don't know what to tell you if all else fails the vesa should work. but no 3d with that driver
[04:06] <jsubl2> yudi: have you tried asking in #ubuntu
[04:07] <SpecialBuddy> does anyone know how to get two monitors to work with a laptop
[04:11] <cyne> anyone know how to change my colour depth in X ?
[04:12] <SpecialBuddy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:12] <SpecialBuddy> might help
[04:12] <SpecialBuddy> but I need to know how to have two monitors at the same time
[04:12] <cyne> thanks!
[04:13] <jsubl2> cyne: it is near the bottom
[04:15] <SpecialBuddy> hey jsubl2, do you know how to get two monitors working
[04:15] <jsubl2> no sorry..
[04:15] <SpecialBuddy> why does this have to be so hard
[04:16] <jk-> SpecialBuddy: which card is this with ?
[04:17] <jk-> actually, i should probably stay out of this one :)
[04:17] <fatejudger> !samba
[04:17] <ubotu> from memory, samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[04:18] <jsubl2> SpecialBuddy: did u try asking in #ubuntu
[04:18] <SpecialBuddy> jk-, well it's on a laptop
[04:18] <SpecialBuddy> no
[04:18] <jk-> yahuh
[04:18] <jk-> but which video chipset/driver ?
[04:18] <SpecialBuddy> no idea
[04:19] <SpecialBuddy> I know it can be done with windows
[04:19] <jsubl2> SpecialBuddy: lspci |grep -i vga
[04:19] <jk-> SpecialBuddy: which laptop?
[04:19] <SpecialBuddy> thinkpad
[04:20] <fatejudger> for some reason Samba is really flaking out on my laptop
[04:20] <fatejudger> it says that certain folders are shared
[04:20] <fatejudger> but when I try to navigate them it says they don't exist
[04:20] <jk-> i've put up a few things here (for debian & a T30), you may be able to extract some useful stuff from that for breezy: http://ozlabs.org/~jk/docs/T30+linux/
[04:21] <fatejudger> any suggestions on the matter?
[04:21] <SpecialBuddy> 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
[04:21] <jk-> grep -i driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:22] <SpecialBuddy> for me
[04:23] <jk-> SpecialBuddy: just curious, what does windows do about adding/removing monitors?
[04:23] <jk-> SpecialBuddy: and what if you have applications in the part of the desktop that just went away ?
[04:23] <SpecialBuddy> I guess I don't understand what you are asking
[04:24] <jk-> ok, nevermind, i've gotta run. :)
[04:24] <SpecialBuddy> root@ubuntu5000:~# grep -i driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:24] <SpecialBuddy>         Driver          "kbd"
[04:24] <SpecialBuddy>         Driver          "mouse"
[04:24] <SpecialBuddy>         Driver          "synaptics"
[04:24] <SpecialBuddy>         Driver          "i810"
[04:25] <fatejudger> !tell SpecialBuddy about pastebin
[04:25] <SpecialBuddy> hahaha
[04:25] <SpecialBuddy> what's wrong with pasting it here
[04:26] <N17R0> well 0.01 sec. of my firefox compile time :/
[04:26] <fatejudger> SpecialBuddy: it floods the channel, and it's annoying
[04:26] <SpecialBuddy> floods the channel?
[04:27] <fatejudger> SpecialBuddy: yes
[04:29] <SpecialBuddy> k
[04:29] <SpecialBuddy> sorry
[04:30] <jsubl2> o well.  i should have told you to put it in #flood
[04:36] <cyne> :(((
[04:36] <Hobbsee> what's up cyne?
[04:36] <cyne> hi Hobbsee  :)
[04:36] <cyne> my OpenGL is jerky
[04:36] <Hobbsee> eek
[04:37] <cyne> it is smooth for a few seconds and then pauses, then smooth, pause etc
[04:37] <cyne> i tried disabling 'composite' on my desktop
[04:37] <cyne> and also reduced colour depth to 16
[04:37] <cyne> but it doesn't affect my opengl it seems
[04:38] <cyne> also tried changing video settings in a game with opengl to no avail
[04:38] <jsubl2> what cpu and mobo
[04:38] <cyne> even on the crap low settings it jerks
[04:38] <jsubl2> and how much mem and what apps are runnin
[04:38] <Hobbsee> what versoin of openGL?
[04:38] <cyne> not sure on the mb.. it's a k7 cpu
[04:38] <cyne> amd xp2000 athlon
[04:39] <cyne> Hobbsee: ok... how might i determine that?
[04:39] <Hobbsee> kinfocenter
[04:39] <Hobbsee> could be kinfocentre - not sure which way they usually choose to spell it
[04:39] <Hobbsee> openGL tab
[04:40] <cyne> 2.0.0
[04:40] <cyne> NVIDIA 76.67
[04:40] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[04:40] <cyne> not sure on what glx is
[04:41] <cyne> me too!
[04:41] <jsubl2> did you apt-get the nvidia stuff or get it off of nvidia web site
[04:41] <cyne> jsubl2: i used kynaptic
[04:42] <jsubl2> you on hoary
[04:42] <cyne> breezy
[04:42] <jsubl2> my kubuntu 64 don't have kynaptic
[04:43] <jsubl2> only adept
[04:43] <cyne> :) well i started with hoary
[04:43] <cyne> and then i kept doing apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:43] <jsubl2> just curious i don't know how to fix your problem
[04:44] <cyne> it's strange isn't it :)... even when i just run glxgears, i get the jerky problem
[04:44] <jsubl2> i have not seen jerky screen since i ran solaris 10
[04:45] <cyne> it goes smooth for about 3 seconds, then 'pauses' for about 10 100ths of a second ad infinitum
[04:45] <jsubl2> any specific app runnin that shows the problem
[04:46] <cyne> what do you mean?
[04:46] <cyne> oh... right, well, Neverwinter Nights
[04:46] <jsubl2> is that a game
[04:46] <cyne> yes
[04:46] <jsubl2> i am old
[04:46] <cyne> :)
[04:47] <jsubl2> does it do it with other games
[04:47] <jsubl2> graphic intensive ones
[04:47] <cyne> actually it doesn't do it with doomsday
[04:48] <jsubl2> i been asking questions for a living for along time.. i am a sys admin
[04:48] <cyne> which i just tried, the only other 3d game i have working on it
[04:48] <cyne> (linux)
[04:49] <cyne> which is strange... only does it with nwn i suppose, which is the more 'modern' of the two
[04:49] <pc22> any easier way to connect winblows and kubuntu?
[04:49] <cyne> pc22, samba
[04:49] <pc22> im tinkering with that and i cant get it right
[04:51] <pc22> cyne: ?
[04:52] <cyne> sorry mate i don't know what to say... i use samba to transfer files to and from my windows machine
[04:52] <cyne> i have file sharing turned on in windows
[04:52] <jsubl2> cyne: what video resolution
[04:52] <cyne> jsubl2: neverwinter nights does it at every resolution available
[04:53] <jsubl2> bummer
[04:54] <jsubl2> cyne maybe google for nvidia configs.. maybe there is some obscure option you can turn on.. gentoo forums can be quite good for  this kinda thing
[04:54] <cyne> jsubl2: cool thanks man... by asking me questions you made me realise a few things
[04:54] <jsubl2> np.. sitting here bored drinking beer
[04:57] <cyne> what brand? :)
[04:58] <jk-> back
[05:02] <jsubl2> budweiser
[05:03] <jsubl2> it was on sale
[05:03] <cyne> ;)
[05:07] <pc22> cyne, how did u make urs?
[05:09] <cyne> jsubl2: heh, well i found the problem
[05:10] <jsubl2> what was it
[05:10] <cyne> it was my little superkaramba widget which counts the cpu usage etc
[05:10] <cyne> piece of cr#^
[05:10] <jsubl2> thus my question what apps are running.
[05:10] <cyne> :(
[05:10] <cyne> thanks for putting me on the right path :)
[05:11] <jsubl2> cann't tell you how many times i talk to admin and by the time i get done asking questions they say o  wait never mind
[05:11] <jsubl2> superkaramba/gdesklets are really cool but can be a resource hog
[05:14] <Delvien> How do i change my login splash ( IE where i enter in my password
[05:18] <robotgeek> Delvien: art.gnome.org ..check the faq section :)
[05:18] <Delvien> robotgeek im not in gnome though
[05:19] <robotgeek> ohh,,my bad!!
[05:19] <jsubl2> i woulda bet kcontrol had a setting but i don't see it.. use auto login :)
[05:19] <robotgeek> Delvien: okay, launch your kde control panel.
[05:19] <Delvien> robotgeek its open
[05:20] <robotgeek> Delvien: it should say something about a login. (sorry, but i used kde once. I am recalling from memory)
[05:20] <jk-> Delvien:  it's in the 'Login manager' section
[05:20] <Delvien> jk- i dont see where i can change the window where i type in my password
[05:21] <jk-> Delvien: what do you want to change ?
[05:21] <Delvien> jk- the GUI area where i type in my password and has my username
[05:22] <jk-> yes, that's what the "Appearance" tab modifies
[05:22] <Delvien> jk- says you know where you pick your session, or just revboot, shutdown etc
[05:22] <nalioth> robotgeek: you should use kde so you can pick all this up
[05:22] <robotgeek> nalioth: i am using openbox, only reason i have kde apps is for amarok
[05:22] <jk-> .. and "Font", and "Background", etc
[05:22] <Delvien> jk- is there anyway i can preview this instead of having to log out and back in
[05:23] <robotgeek> nalioth: that too is skipping, so back to xmms
[05:23] <jk-> Delvien: no, i don't think so :(
[05:23] <Delvien> robotgeek skipping?
[05:23] <robotgeek> Delvien: yeah, sound stops playing whenever i switch virtual desktops
[05:23] <Delvien>  how much memory you have?
[05:23] <robotgeek> or say open a browser
[05:23] <robotgeek> 768mb
[05:23] <Delvien> and how many things do you have running
[05:24] <jk-> robotgeek: are you using the arts engine?
[05:24] <Delvien> i have the same problem every now and then ,
[05:24] <jk-> or gstreamer ?
[05:24] <Delvien> xine
[05:24] <Delvien> err gstreamer sorry
[05:24] <robotgeek> jk-: xine engine
[05:24] <Delvien> jk- try gstreamer
[05:24] <jk-> hm
[05:24] <Delvien> err sorry robotgeek try gstreamer
[05:24] <jk-> Delvien: no, i'm using the arts engine, and no problems with skipping, so i don't think i'll change :)
[05:25] <jk-> ah :)
[05:25] <Delvien> jk- that was meant for robotgeek hehe sorry
[05:25] <robotgeek> hmm, choices, choices!
[05:25] <Delvien> brb
[05:25] <robotgeek> it skips without even doing anything using gstreamer!
[05:26] <robotgeek> anyways, since you asked...all i am running is irssi, and firefox
[05:27] <robotgeek> and amarok skips for a sec. that pisses me off!
[05:28] <robotgeek> i even tried with a nice -5 amarok, and it still happens.
[05:31] <jk-> robotgeek: tried increasing your buffer size (or the gstreamer/xine equivalent?)
[05:31] <robotgeek> jk-: i don't mind trying artsd too. infact, i'll try it out right away!
[05:31] <jk-> :)
[05:37] <KaoticEvil> damn
[05:38] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: that is not a greeting
[05:38] <KaoticEvil> huh?
[05:38] <jk-> is now! :)
[05:38] <KaoticEvil> oh.. heh.. wrong window :P
[05:38] <KaoticEvil> hey nalioth ;)
[05:39] <yudi> i have problem with the Kubuntu, i can enter the xwindow (command: startx), the error is: Could not init found path element unix/:7100 removing from the list
[05:39] <yudi> and there are some warning above :(
[05:39] <KaoticEvil> yudi:  you shouldnt have to enter startx to get X running.. it should start automatically...
[05:40] <yudi> ok, i do reset on my computer
[05:42] <yudi> thanks :)
[05:50] <pupil> what player is comparable to windows media player, and it is possible to use windows media player on linux with codecs etc?
[05:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> try amarok
[05:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> as for codecs. have to ask ubotu
[05:51] <pupil> !ubotu tell pupil about codecs
[05:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> !tell pupil about w32codecs
[05:58] <stupendo44> I'm curious, how does linux (kubuntu) handle deleting files that are being used? They appear to be deleted, but they can continue to be used if they already were. So how does it work?
[05:59] <kkathman> stupendo44: what exactly are you talking about
[06:00] <kkathman> cuz when I do a rm on a file its gone
[06:00] <stupendo44> right. If I'm playing a video, and delete it, it will continue playing till the end. Did the file get deleted, or not?
[06:00] <KaoticEvil> i would assume that the file is loaded fully into RAM, either physical or swap....
[06:00] <KaoticEvil> oh, in the case of a video, ive no idea
[06:01] <KaoticEvil> stupendo44:  why not just look in the dir that the video was in to see if it got deleted?
[06:01] <stupendo44> not likely, because of different situations I've tried. There just isn't that much available
[06:01] <stupendo44> it's not in the directory after I delete it
[06:01] <KaoticEvil> well, then its deleted
[06:01] <KaoticEvil> :)
[06:02] <stupendo44> seemingly...
[06:02] <stupendo44> but it can still be used.
[06:02] <KaoticEvil> i dont know
[06:02] <kkathman> still be used how?
[06:02] <stupendo44> Don't get me wrong, it's defnitely better than Windows' never-ending "file in use" problem.
[06:02] <KaoticEvil> i never had aproblem with that ;)
[06:02] <freeflying_> hi all
[06:02] <icewt> stupendo44: take a look at df before and after deleting it while playing it
[06:03] <freeflying_> how to enable socks proxy in kde
[06:03] <stupendo44> if I'm already using it (playing video, uploading file, etc). It doesn't crap out or anything
[06:04] <stupendo44> icewt: ok, I'll try that when I get a chance
[06:04] <icewt> stupendo44: ...and after stopping the playback
[06:04] <KaoticEvil> it may just mark it hidden, or READY for deletion until its unlocked
[06:05] <stupendo44> I've thought that maybe since deleting doesn't actually remove the data from the disk (only removes from fat), maybe the program using the file already knows where the physical location is of the whole file
[06:05] <KaoticEvil> and THEN actually delete it, when its no longer locked
[06:05] <stupendo44> btw, is fat the correct term to refer to the file index
[06:05] <stupendo44> File Allocation Table
[06:05] <stupendo44> KaoticEvil: I've thought of that. but I asked because I didn't know
[06:05] <KaoticEvil> that just occured to me ;)
[06:06] <KaoticEvil> heres my question.. i need a non-destructive repartioning tool
[06:06] <jk-> stupendo44: the file (on disk) will be freed when there are no longer any references to it (either from the file system, or applications that have the file open)
[06:06] <KaoticEvil> well, partition joiner
[06:06] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: gparted?
[06:06] <stupendo44> jk-: ok
[06:06] <KaoticEvil> front-end for parted?
[06:06] <stupendo44> I just found that out, kinda
[06:07] <jk-> so when the video player closes it, it's gone.
[06:07] <stupendo44> KaoticEvil: What do you mean non-destructive?
[06:07] <jk-> well, it's still there on disk..
[06:07] <jk-> but you can no longer open it :)
[06:07] <KaoticEvil> it doesnt destroy the data on the partitions
[06:07] <stupendo44> KaoticEvil: If you change something it, will make the changes
[06:08] <KaoticEvil> i need to join 2 partitions on my drive, without destroying the data on them
[06:08] <stupendo44> jk-: right. I was uploading a file and I accidentally deleted it before I meant to. The file continued uploading. I used watch df -m to find out that once I stopped the upload, the file was deleted
[06:08] <KaoticEvil> i know Partition Magic for windows... but ive had REALLY bad luck with that and linux partitions.. especially ext3
[06:08] <jk-> yep
[06:08] <stupendo44> KaoticEvil: yeah, I wouldn't use that
[06:08] <KaoticEvil> im not going to :P
[06:08] <stupendo44> gparted works pretty well, but I've never joined parts
[06:09] <KaoticEvil> it works great for FAT32 and NTFS...
[06:09] <KaoticEvil> Partmag, that is
[06:09] <KaoticEvil> lol.. why?
[06:09] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: not possible except with partition magic
[06:09] <KaoticEvil> nalioth:  really?
[06:09] <KaoticEvil> damn.
[06:09] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: mount the 2nd drive into your existing filesystem
[06:09] <kkathman> there ya go...I trust PM :)
[06:09] <KaoticEvil> it is...
[06:10] <fatejudger> I've been having some trouble with Samba on my laptop
[06:10] <KaoticEvil> its mounted to /windows/data
[06:10] <fatejudger> I can't seem to access the shares on there
[06:10] <fatejudger> I can see them
[06:10] <fatejudger> but when I try to access them samba says they don't exist
[06:10] <KaoticEvil> but i need the free space in it elsewhere
[06:10] <fatejudger> what's going on?
[06:10] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger:  are the workgroups the same?
[06:11] <kkathman> hey fatejudger  :)
[06:12] <KaoticEvil> hmmm... anyone used the gparted Convert?
[06:13] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: be wary
[06:14] <KaoticEvil> i can backup everything on there...
[06:14] <stupendo44> KaoticEvil: I screwed my xp drive with it
[06:14] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: the best option is to mount the 2nd into your homedir
[06:14] <stupendo44> fortunately I fixed it
[06:14] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: yes
[06:14] <KaoticEvil> nalioth:  i need the free space on it elsewhere tho :(
[06:14] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: they're both the same workgroup
[06:14] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: though it shouldn't matter
[06:14] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger:  you can see the shares, but not access them?
[06:14] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: yes
[06:14] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: when I try to access them it says they don't exist
[06:15] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger:  what OS's are running?
[06:15] <fatejudger> Kubuntu
[06:15] <fatejudger> on both computers
[06:15] <KaoticEvil> doh...
[06:15] <fatejudger> ?
[06:15] <fatejudger> well isn't that what you wanted to know?
[06:15] <KaoticEvil> yeah
[06:15] <KaoticEvil> that was at myself
[06:16] <stdoubt> fatejudger: why u using samba for 2 linux boxes? sambas for accessing windows shares ;]
[06:17] <fatejudger> stdoubt: I can do that though
[06:17] <fatejudger> stdoubt: samba is reliable
[06:17] <fatejudger> stdoubt: samba also works with Windows
[06:17] <fatejudger> stdoubt: so I can access the same shares using my Windows boxes
[06:17] <stdoubt> fatejudger: oh -thought you just had 2 kubuntus nm
[06:18] <fatejudger> stdoubt: I have 2 Kubuntu boxes and 2 WinXP boxes
[06:18] <nalioth> fatejudger: samba IS a windows protocol
[06:19] <stdoubt> fatejudger: wish i could help, but FWIW, try NFS between the 2 kubuntus anyway
[06:19] <fatejudger> I'd like to get Samba working if I could
[06:19] <nalioth> fatejudger: real *nix users use nfs between their *boxen
[06:19] <fatejudger> it works the other way around
[06:19] <fatejudger> I can access the samba shares on my Kubuntu desktop from my Kubuntu laptop
[06:19] <fatejudger> it's really weird
[06:20] <winXperts> what error are you getting?
[06:21] <fatejudger> it says that it can't find that share
[06:21] <winXperts> in windows you get that?
[06:22] <fatejudger> no
[06:22] <fatejudger> on the other Kubuntu box
[06:22] <fatejudger> ok, I think I found out what the problem is
[06:22] <fatejudger> but I don't know how to solve it
[06:23] <fatejudger> both my laptop and desktop have similar names
[06:23] <fatejudger> in fact, the first few characters of their names is similar
[06:23] <fatejudger> well, they're exactly the same
[06:23] <fatejudger> how far in does Samba read?
[06:23] <KaoticEvil> you would think that it would read the whole name
[06:24] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: it doesn't though, I know that
[06:24] <KaoticEvil> really?
[06:24] <winXperts> 14 chars
[06:24] <fatejudger> well apparently not
[06:24] <winXperts> quite sure
[06:24] <fatejudger> winXperts: are you?
[06:24] <fatejudger> because what I see the EXACT same folders on both computers
[06:24] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger:  if it was the machine names, it wouldnt work either way tho ;)
[06:24] <fatejudger> *because I see
[06:25] <fatejudger> I have one folder shared on my desktop, and 2 on my laptop
[06:25] <winXperts> how long is the name?
[06:25] <fatejudger> but when I navigate to my desktop computer name
[06:25] <KaoticEvil> hell, ive just barely gotten my kubuntu to read my windows shares lol
[06:25] <KaoticEvil> i havent even tried it the other way
[06:25] <fatejudger> it shows both shares
[06:26] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: it's really easy
[06:26] <winXperts> did you copy the smb.conf to second box?
[06:26] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: I'm surprised it isn't working right now
[06:26] <fatejudger> winXperts: no...
[06:26] <fatejudger> winXperts: why would I have the exactly same smb.conf?
[06:26] <Delvien> how do i apply a KDM theme?
[06:26] <winXperts> like i said if you copy them from one boxen to another
[06:26] <KaoticEvil> wow, i havent even setup sharing yet heh
[06:27] <winXperts> can you post smb.conf from both in http://www.pastebin.com
[06:29] <fatejudger> ok, another problem
[06:29] <fatejudger> this one is in Windows
[06:29] <fatejudger> if I try to access one of my Kubuntu laptop shares, using one of my WinXP boxes
[06:30] <fatejudger> it asks me for a username and password
[06:30] <stdoubt> Delvien:http://www.kde-look.org/
[06:31] <qbit> if you're running a samba server you might need to add users to the smbpasswd dbase, these should match in username and password the windows user accounts
[06:31] <KaoticEvil> wth...?
[06:31] <KaoticEvil> all of the options in File Sharing are greyed out :(
[06:31] <winXperts> if you create a user with the same username and password in your linux box that will not happen or if you enable guest ok = yes in your share or if you change security = share NOT RECOMMENDED
[06:31] <qbit> but since there are many different ways of setting up samba the number of variables are considerable
[06:32] <fatejudger> qbit: but I don't want users
[06:32] <winXperts> qbit smbpasswd is not recommended anymore use tdbsam instead
[06:32] <fatejudger> qbit: I want everybody to have read only access
[06:32] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: start it using kdesu
[06:32] <fatejudger> qbit: without credentials
[06:33] <qbit> my samba servers all run on FreeBSD so I don't know much about the Linux side
[06:33] <winXperts> fatejudger, enable guest ok = yes on share and map guest user to someuser
[06:34] <KaoticEvil> i ran kcontrol as root
[06:34] <qbit> yes, that would be the most quick and dirty
[06:34] <KaoticEvil> doesnt that do the same thing?
[06:34] <Delvien> another question, in Konsole, how to a move a file is the command sudo mv foo
[06:35] <stdoubt> Delvien: huh?
[06:35] <KaoticEvil> Delvien:  only if you need root access to the source or destination.... if you are the owner of the file, you can just mv foo
[06:35] <stdoubt> ya
[06:35] <KaoticEvil> owner of the file, and have write access in the source and destination directories*
[06:35] <Delvien> Kaoticevil do i have to put the destination as well
[06:36] <KaoticEvil> well, yeah
[06:36] <KaoticEvil> you cant move a file with no destination ;)
[06:36] <stdoubt> unless you want to mv it in the same dir
[06:36] <Delvien> kaoticevil so if i mv kubuntu-blue /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes
[06:36] <stdoubt> then just mv foo foo2
[06:36] <KaoticEvil> Delvien:  for that you would need sudo
[06:37] <KaoticEvil> because users dont have write access in /usr
[06:37] <KaoticEvil> usually, anyway
[06:37] <KaoticEvil> . o O ( am i right? )
[06:37] <stdoubt> looks like you want to just copy -no?
[06:37] <stdoubt> mv = rename y'know ;]
[06:38] <Delvien> got it moved, but it say edit my ~/.kde/share/config/kdm/kdmrc and there is no such file in Kubuntu, where do i find this file?
[06:38] <nalioth> Delvien: make one
[06:39] <stdoubt> it's in a hidden directory in your home folder
[06:39] <Delvien> stdoubt o
[06:39] <stdoubt> "~/" = home directory
[06:39] <Delvien> how do i show hidden folders in Konqerer
[06:39] <stdoubt> the dot "." in front of .kde means it's hidden
[06:39] <KaoticEvil> View -> Show Hidden Files
[06:39] <nalioth> Delvien: in 'view'
[06:40] <stdoubt> so i guess this is not the channel to ask about cryptsetup eh? :P
[06:40] <nalioth> stdoubt: ask
[06:40] <nalioth> stdoubt: someone may know
[06:41] <stdoubt> anyone here got cryptsetup working with kubuntus default kernel?
[06:41] <stdoubt> i got pretty far but it died with "incompatible libdevmapper"
[06:42] <nalioth> stdoubt: if you dont get an answer in here, try in #ubuntu
[06:42] <stdoubt> -and that was after it asked for my passwords
[06:42] <Delvien> ok looks like i changed it , gonna see if it crashes now hehehe
[06:43] <stdoubt> both bereezy versions have identical kernel anyone know?
[06:43] <KaoticEvil> oh, nalioth ... i think i now why X was dying on me
[06:43] <KaoticEvil> and it wasnt so much the video driver, really
[06:44] <stdoubt> kool- 5x the ppes in ubuntu
[06:44] <stdoubt> peeps*
[06:45] <KaoticEvil> i was over-heating my grafx chip LOL
[06:45] <l|nux> Hi all
[06:46] <Extreme_Coder> I am new to (K)Ubuntu
[06:46] <Extreme_Coder> I am linux and open source enthu and using Linux for 3 years
[06:46] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> how come last amarok version is on kubuntu.org but in breezy repositories?
[06:46] <kkathman> hi Extreme_Coder :)
[06:47] <Extreme_Coder> hi kkathman
[06:47] <KaoticEvil> err.. Extreme_Coder even
[06:47] <Hobbsee> Tallia1-KubuntuB: it came out after breezy was released, and there are no backports yet
[06:47] <Extreme_Coder> as many LInux users, i tried many linux distros .. and finally landed up in (K)Ubuntu
[06:47] <Extreme_Coder> some days back.. I installed Kubuntu
[06:47] <Extreme_Coder> !!! IT'S GREAT !!!
[06:47] <ubotu> Extreme_Coder: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[06:48] <Kaiser_Away> welcome to the dark side ;)
[06:48] <Kaiser_Away> lol
[06:48] <Extreme_Coder> well polished, well structured, ease of installing ...etc
[06:48] <Kaiser_Away> Extreme_Coder: the bots notice charachter is !
[06:48] <stdoubt> I saw a funny sig. "ubuntu is an African word meaning 'I can configure Debian" :P
[06:48] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> how come last amarok version is on kubuntu.org but in breezy repositories?
[06:48] <stdoubt> can't
[06:48] <Kaiser_Away> hyahahaaa
[06:49] <kkathman> Hey Kamping_Kaiser :)
[06:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) hi kkathman :)
[06:49] <Hobbsee> Tallia1-KubuntuB: it came out after breezy was released, and there are no backports yet
[06:49] <kkathman> stdoubt: hehe true
[06:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> !lart kkathman
[06:49] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:49] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> backports?
[06:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi Hobbsee :)
[06:49] <Hobbsee> !backports
[06:49] <Hobbsee> hey Kamping_Kaiser :)
[06:49] <kkathman> ubotu: what's up?
[06:49] <ubotu> everything is okay thanks
[06:49] <kkathman> kewl
[06:50] <Extreme_Coder> I wonder whether Kubuntu is recommended for Devlopers ??? !!!
[06:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[06:50] <kkathman> Daisy Daisy give me your answer due (doing his best HAL imitation)
[06:50] <Hobbsee> !tell Tallia1-KubuntuB about backports
[06:50] <jk-> :)
[06:51] <kkathman> Extreme_Coder: well there's someone developing Ubuntu stuff I guess
[06:51] <Dasnipa`> c
[06:51] <Dasnipa`> c++
[06:51] <Dasnipa`> c++ run
[06:51] <Extreme_Coder> when I first compiled my "Hello World!" program.. I got few errors
[06:51] <Dasnipa`> run++ run
[06:51] <Hobbsee> hmmm...i like that lart lol
[06:51] <Extreme_Coder> ./usr/bin/ld: crt1.o: No such file: No such file or directory
[06:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> Extreme_Coder: got the build-essentials package?
[06:51] <Extreme_Coder> Kamping_Kaiser: Well what are they ;) ?
[06:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> Extreme_Coder: it's gcc, and basic tools :) in in the apt repos
[06:52] <Extreme_Coder> I have ttried it
[06:52] <Extreme_Coder> I have installed gcc, cc, gcc-base, etc all using apt..
[06:52] <Extreme_Coder> also I am not able to few manual pages..
[06:53] <Extreme_Coder> man 2, man 3.. i don't know why ...
[06:53] <Extreme_Coder> I will tell onething, I am basically a COder..
[06:53] <Extreme_Coder> Not a SysAdmin, Not a Server Admin, Not OS Engineer...
[06:53] <nalioth> Extreme_Coder: install 'build-essential'
[06:53] <Extreme_Coder> Just coding, coding, coding.. this is all I know. ..
[06:53] <kkathman> Extreme_Coder: well, I wouldnt say that Ubuntu is a developer's delight, especially for alot of coding, Gentoo is probably the best there
[06:53] <Extreme_Coder> becoz I love coding :) .. especially C :)
[06:55] <stdoubt> Extreme_Coder: if you like mainly working at the command line do yourself a favor and try the distro called grml
[06:55] <Extreme_Coder> so If I have Gentoo and (K)Ubuntu in my hands: Which One I have to choose for reall and complete programming satisfaction ?
[06:55] <kkathman> Gentoo
[06:55] <Extreme_Coder> ppl vote pls :)
[06:56] <Extreme_Coder> Gentoo or (K)Ubuntu
[06:56] <stdoubt> Gentoo
[06:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dunno :)
[06:56] <Extreme_Coder> Kamping_Kaiser: That's bad ;)
[06:56] <stdoubt> ....or anything w/o a GUI ;]
[06:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> Extreme_Coder:  :(
[06:58] <fatejudger> winXperts: I don't think that's the problem
[06:58] <KaoticEvil> for a coder? Gentoo, most definately
[06:58] <Extreme_Coder> hmm
[06:58] <Extreme_Coder> Gentoo -> Cons: Long and tedious system installation, occasional instability and risk of breakdown.
[07:00] <ksz`shrinkyjL[os> what language do you code in
[07:01] <Extreme_Coder> I code in C and ASM
[07:01] <ksz`shrinkyjL[os> oh
[07:01] <ksz`shrinkyjL[os> how did you learn
[07:02] <Extreme_Coder> on my own :)
[07:02] <Extreme_Coder> do u want to suggest ny distro ?
[07:03] <musik> help! i cant go online in kubuntu.....it was all working but i dont know now its not working...im in kanotix livecd and my internet is running fine on it....
[07:04] <fatejudger> Extreme_Coder: use Kubuntu
[07:04] <Extreme_Coder> fatejudger: thank u
[07:05] <Tm_T> Kubuntu <3
[07:05] <fatejudger> Extreme_Coder: the fact that you're a coder doesn't really matter as far as what distro you choose
[07:05] <fatejudger> Extreme_Coder: and Kubuntu is far superior
[07:06] <Extreme_Coder> that's correct... but support for various development tools, IDE's, compilers, editors.. etc matters alot for Extreme COder :)
[07:06] <robotgeek> all u need is a term and vim
[07:07] <Extreme_Coder> offcourse I am not only going to compile and run Hello World :)
[07:08] <SpecialBuddy> are there anyways to get rid of the kde panel
[07:09] <Hobbsee> SpecialBuddy: hide it?
[07:09] <Hobbsee> hit the arrow on the side of the screen
[07:09] <Hobbsee> not sure how you would fully disable it though
[07:09] <SpecialBuddy> hobbsee other then hide
[07:09] <SpecialBuddy> you can't get rid of it
[07:10] <Tm_T> you can, roo, you can
[07:11] <Tm_T> can't remember how though ;p
[07:16] <Extreme_Coder> I am going to try Gentoo as well :)
[07:16] <Tm_T> ok, but don't ask any help from me, traitor!
[07:16] <Extreme_Coder> :)
[07:16] <Tm_T> ;)
[07:30] <KaoticEvil> awesome ^_^ got my files shared on the network ^_^
[07:41] <francolq> oa
[07:41] <francolq> can u read me?
[07:42] <Chousuke> Yes.
[07:53] <francolq> hello... i would like to know what is the purpose of breezy-security distribution
[07:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> to provide security updates
[07:55] <francolq> ok..... i've just added the multiverse component for breezy.... should i add it also for breezy-updates and breezy-security?
[07:56] <aftertaf> yes
[07:56] <francolq> those repositories doesn't appear even commented.... do you know why?
[07:58] <francolq> (sorry for my english? I guess I should say "not even")
[07:58] <aftertaf> its setup to use them if theyre available i think
[07:58] <aftertaf> hi Kamping_Kaiser :)
[07:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi aftertaf:)
[07:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> in 3 mins I'm off to cook food :D
[07:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> so you just caught me in time to go :D
[07:59] <stupendo44> I believe there's no multiverse for breezy-security
[07:59] <stupendo44> you'll get an error
[07:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> no you wont
[07:59] <stupendo44> ok
[07:59] <francolq> one last question....
[07:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> but it doesnt mean it's there :) it might be (in fact i think it is) empty'
[07:59] <francolq> http://ar.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy-security/multiverse/
[08:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> so yes, it's  empty
[08:01] <francolq> i guess i can also add deb-src for every deb line I add...
[08:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> correct
[08:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> my list does :)
[08:02] <francolq> well thank you very much..... i still cant understand why i had to manually add those lines
[08:03] <francolq> i also cant understand why i couldnt found nothing about this at kubuntu forums.... maybe i am too sleepy or too stupid
[08:11] <cryptom> hi, I installed opera and now I always get (on opera startup) a message telling me to install motif
[08:11] <cryptom> however, libmotif3 is installed
[08:21] <GNAM> now i'll install kubuntu 64 on aspire 5024
[08:22] <qbit> cryptom: my guess here is that opera was compiled for motif2, you can look by finding the opera executable and doing: ldd opera
[08:23] <qbit> this should give you a little list of libraries it was compiled against
[08:24] <cryptom> qbit, I get "not a dynamic executable", although I installed opera_8.50-20050916.6-shared-qt_en_etch_i386.deb
[08:25] <nalioth> cryptom: go back and get the static opera package
[08:26] <cryptom> nalioth, ok, I will try
[08:33] <cryptom> nalioth, thanks, static version works
[08:34] <cryptom> what can I do to get a custom built 2.6.14 kernel with the kubuntu boot splash screen?
[08:35] <cryptom> is there a separate patch for the splash screen?
[08:35] <aftertaf> !splash
[08:35] <ubotu> To change the Gnome splash screen, open the gconf-editor and change the key /apps/gnome-session/options/splash-image
[08:35] <aftertaf> doh, not that at all :/
[08:36] <aftertaf> !tell cryptom about usplash
[08:42] <cryptom> aftertaf, thanks
[08:50] <damnhil>  how can I untar just a folder from a .tar.gz file?
[08:58] <GNAM> i'm new to kde
[08:58] <GNAM> where's "administrator mode button?"
[08:58] <GNAM> "?
[08:58] <GNAM> i went from ubuntu
[08:59] <GNAM> i try to change network setting in kubuntulive
[08:59] <GNAM> but I'm not admin
[09:00] <_sog_> Dear All, I update KDE to  3.4.92 beta, but my SCIM init Xsession.d that I write before not work, hope some one can help me :(
[09:01] <_sog_> I have a file /etc/X11/Xsession.d/95xinput (but not work on the new KDE)
[09:02] <cryptom> aftertaf, I found a kernel option about initramfs, but this is not set in the kubuntu-kernel, so I need initrd (and not initramfs)?
[09:03] <aftertaf> cryptom: dunno... :/
[09:04] <stupendo44> can someone say my nick in like 10 seconds? I'm trying to test something with Konversation
[09:05] <hussam> stupendo44: hey
[09:05] <cryptom> aftertaf, ok, just asked because ubotu told me to activate initramfs in the kernel, which is actually called initramfs-source and does not seem to be it...
[09:05] <stupendo44> thanks
[09:05] <stupendo44> it worked
[09:53] <GNAM> auauaua
[09:53] <GNAM> "network setting panel" is higher than my desktop resolution
[09:53] <GNAM> and I don't see ADMINISTRATOR BUTTON
[09:53] <GNAM> that I think it's below
[09:53] <GNAM> WHY?
[09:54] <GNAM> and I have 1280*800
[09:54] <aftertaf> GNAM: change font sizes.....
[09:54] <aftertaf> i know, it does that sometimes, it is a pain...
[09:54] <GNAM> i'm using kubuntu live
[09:54] <aftertaf> what are you wanting to change in network settings? you can do it in console too.
[10:27] <Arago> hi all
[10:27] <Arago> I have a (maybe) easy question but i don't find the answer on kubuntu site
[10:27] <raphink> go on
[10:28] <Arago> I have ubuntu already on my pc. If i install kubunt as explaned on kubuntu site, i can choose between Gnome and Kde or i lose Gnome ?
[10:28] <raphink> you choose
[10:29] <raphink> you can have as many desktop environments/window managers as you want at the same time
[10:29] <raphink> and then when you log in, you can choose whether to use either of them
[10:29] <raphink> for each session
[10:29] <raphink> like you can have 10 different WM installed and have users use different ones
[10:29] <Arago> great. I'll fly to install kubuntu-desktop :)
[10:29] <raphink> ;)
[10:30] <Arago> perfect
[10:30] <raphink> sure Arago linux is perfect ;)
[10:30] <raphink> or almost
[10:30] <raphink> actually there is worse than Linux... it's just more expensive
[10:30] <Arago> LOL. just almost ...
[10:30] <Arago> but not for linux fault
[10:30] <raphink> hehe
[10:31] <Arago> I still have some trouble to get my pc (NoteBook) full work as in W2000 ...
[10:31] <raphink> like what,
[10:31] <Arago> i miss the Suspend or Hybernate function and the *GRIN* LTModem that i can't figure how configure ...
[10:32] <raphink> you can get these
[10:32] <raphink> but it's not easy so far
[10:32] <Arago> For modem i try several ways ...
[10:32] <raphink> teams are working hard on these functions
[10:32] <raphink> what kind of modem Arago ?
[10:32] <Arago> i know ... and maybe my ACPI bios is faulty too (not 100% compliant, thanks ACER !)
[10:32] <raphink> lol
[10:33] <Arago> is a INTEL CH2 modem ...
[10:33] <Arago> with hoary and SLMODEM it works fine.
[10:33] <Arago> on warty i loose it ...
[10:33] <Arago> I read somewhere that modem was not a priority for warty
[10:33] <raphink> and what are you on now?
[10:33] <raphink> warty?
[10:34] <Arago> name confusion maybe. now i'm on 5.04
[10:34] <raphink> 5.04 is hoary
[10:34] <raphink> you could upgrade to breezy
[10:34] <Arago> right. So on warty modem run fine , here not ...
[10:35] <raphink> hmm that's strange
[10:35] <Arago> I'm planning the upgrade soon .
[10:35] <raphink> ok
[10:35] <Arago> at least i can live without modem and hybernation
[10:36] <Arago> I still have my OLD external modem ...
[10:36] <Arago> Never sell a so kind piece of hardware ;)
[10:36] <raphink> hehe
[10:37] <Arago> (kubuntu is dwonloading... of course not on the *GLORIOUS* 56K6 modem!)
[10:37] <raphink> hehe
[10:37] <raphink> well if you can hav ebroadband
[10:37] <raphink> why do you even worry about the modem?
[10:38] <Arago> ADSL is at work. At home can't have that kind of line.
[10:38] <raphink> oh ic
[10:39] <Arago> Not a money trouble. Just in ITALY in the little town u can't have adsl line...
[10:39] <raphink> yes
[10:39] <raphink> :(
[10:39] <raphink> ok well I have to go
[10:39] <raphink> i'll bbl
[10:39] <Arago> thank raphink
[10:39] <raphink> bye for now
[10:43] <wolf^ati> hi
[10:43] <wolf^ati> i need help setting up my x server
[10:44] <wolf^ati> i want to use 2 monitors but one desktop with my radeon 9600
[10:45] <wolf^ati> i got dual head working, buts thats not what i want
[10:46] <Arago> I dont' have idea ... but try to google for it
[10:46] <Arago> sorry
[10:47] <wolf^ati> boy did i google this
[10:47] <wolf^ati> :D
[10:47] <wolf^ati> anyway thx
[10:48] <wolf^ati> took me for ever to get the freakin fglrx working, i even got 3d acceleration and stuff
[10:48] <wolf^ati> but my desktop is f**ked up
[10:48] <Tm_T> hah
[10:48] <Tm_T> ati =)
[10:48] <wolf^ati> *forever
[10:48] <wolf^ati> yeah ^^
[10:48] <wolf^ati> i just dont get it
[10:49] <wolf^ati> with the mesa driver hat my desktop just fine
[10:49] <wolf^ati> now i have 3d, but screwed my x
[10:49] <wolf^ati> *had
[10:49] <wolf^ati> anyone ? suggestions are welcome
[10:50] <wolf^ati> btw big thx an the dude who wrote the howto in the ubuntu wiki on the fglrx driver, really helped alot
[10:50] <wolf^ati> *-an +to
[10:50] <wolf^ati> im tired
[10:53] <wolf^ati> hm im gonna switch to dual head again
[10:54] <xroberx> hi
[10:55] <RaRe> hello
[11:00] <wolf^ati> re
[11:28] <Arago> hi all again.
[11:29] <Arago> i've just switched from ubuntu to kubuntu.
[11:29] <Arago> but i have some fonts trouble.
[11:29] <raphink> nice :)
[11:29] <Arago> They are really small ...
[11:29] <raphink> you can change them in kcontrol
[11:29] <Arago> i tryed with kcontrol
[11:29] <Arago> but no change.
[11:29] <Arago> Maybe i havn't some font that kde need ?
[11:30] <raphink> I doubt so
[11:30] <raphink> kubutun-desktop installed fine?
[11:30] <raphink> *kubuntu-desktop
[11:31] <Arago> eheh
[11:31] <raphink> brb
[11:31] <Arago> Some days ago i played with qtconfig (just to get the skype window fit into screen) ... maybe is there i must go ?
[11:32] <Arago> (but of course i lost DEFAULT settings
[11:32] <Arago> ok raphink
[11:32] <Arago> i will wait
[11:42] <RaRe> Is there a way for my kubuntu to access and tranfer files from my ntsf hard discs?
[11:52] <wolf^linux> writing acces is very difficult
[11:54] <Arago> reading ntfs is easy, writing (secure writing) need XP license and captive software
[12:02] <RaRe> ? how
[12:08] <manveru> RaRe: you just want to read the files, right?
[12:09] <manveru> ubotu: tell RaRe about ntfs
[12:10] <RaRe> Yes, thank you very much
[12:25] <wolf^afk> hmm amarok crashed
[12:26] <wolf^afk> can sb plz tell me how to kill, and then restart it?
[12:28] <manveru> do you still see it?
[12:28] <manveru> in this case, just do [ctrl] +[alt] +[esc]  and click on it
[12:28] <wolf^afk> na
[12:28] <manveru> otherwise, type [alt] +[f2]
[12:29] <manveru> and input 'killall amarok && amarok'
[12:29] <wolf^afk> thx
[12:29] <wolf^afk> seems to do something
[12:29] <wolf^afk> ...
[12:30] <wolf^afk> takes hin a little
[12:30] <wolf^afk> *him
[12:30] <manveru> who is he?
[12:30] <wolf^afk> my pc ^^
[12:30] <manveru> oh... :)
[12:31] <wolf^afk> what i meant is, that hes still doing something
[12:31] <manveru> yeah, it should
[12:31] <wolf^afk> still?
[12:31] <manveru> however, it shouldn't take that long...
[12:31] <wolf^afk> cuz hes still on it
[12:31] <manveru> ^^
[12:32] <manveru> wait a second, i'm trying to get some food inside my stomache
[12:32] <wolf^afk> yeah sure
[12:33] <dragonkh> moornin
[12:34] <wolf^afk> allright, was already done killing amarok, just didnt told me
[12:34] <wolf^afk> mhm
[12:35] <wolf^afk> amarok dies on startup
[12:46] <wolf^afk> is there a way to skip to the next song in amarok via the console?
[12:46] <wolf^afk> or any other way besider amarok itself?
[12:47] <wolf^afk> *'besides
[12:47] <manveru> i guess you can assign global hotkeys
[12:47] <wolf^afk> hmh
[12:48] <manveru> the people in #amarok can help you better on this
[12:48] <wolf^afk> guess i reinstallt amarok and it still crashes on startup
[12:48] <wolf^afk> kk thx
[12:51] <Pupeno> where did ld.so.conf went ? I want it to scan /usr/local/lib.
[12:52] <PrideF> I'm having troubles getting my laptop to run at 1280x800 (the native resolution).  I've been trying to get the xorg.conf file to look right with modelines in the monitor section, but for some reason it just reverts back to 1024x768.  I'm wondering if I should just run a shell-only desktop at this point :P
[12:52] <PrideF> anyone have a working laptop xorg.conf file using the fglrx driver and my resolution (1280x800)?
[12:58] <manveru> PrideF: try it at the #xorg channel
[12:58] <wks05> #rara
[12:59] <wks05> jakarta
[01:19] <McScruff> Hi, none of my usb storage devices are being detected
[01:19] <McScruff> is there a way to make it scan for them
[01:20] <aftertaf> McScruff: check see if usb is loaded ... lsmod | grep usb
[01:20] <aftertaf> lsmod | grep hci
[01:20] <McScruff> usbcore               104188  5 usb_storage,usbhid,ehci_hcd,ohci_hcd
[01:20] <McScruff> so it has found a usb storage?
[01:21] <aftertaf> McScruff: and check in /media
[01:21] <McScruff> nothing in media
[01:22] <aftertaf> ahh.
[01:22] <McScruff> only cdrom
[01:22] <g4> hi all
[01:22] <aftertaf> hi :)
[01:22] <aftertaf> McScruff: try mountig it manually..
[01:22] <g4> ive a prob with kubuntu and my ppc :(
[01:22] <aftertaf> though kde should do that already.
[01:23] <g4> can u help me?
[01:23] <McScruff> how do i scan what dev its under
[01:23] <McScruff> like sda1 etc
[01:24] <manveru> g4: i would love to help you, but i can't since i don't know your problem...
[01:24] <g4> ok man
[01:24] <aftertaf> McScruff: mounting now to see .
[01:25] <g4> i can't hear audio from CD
[01:25] <aftertaf> g4: say what your pb is...
[01:25] <aftertaf> oki.
[01:25] <g4> i hear blink
[01:25] <g4> system beep
[01:25] <g4> but from cd and media I can't hear any sound
[01:25] <g4> ive a powerbook g4 with kubuntu 5.10
[01:25] <manveru> what player do you use?
[01:26] <manveru> something like kcd?
[01:26] <g4> o my
[01:26] <g4> amarok is the default player
[01:26] <g4> and kscd
[01:26] <manveru> yeah, but amarok doesn't play cds
[01:26] <manveru> (afaik)
[01:26] <g4> why no?
[01:26] <g4> amarok recognize my cd list
[01:27] <g4> when i insert my audio cd
[01:27] <manveru> to be honest, i've never tried it
[01:27] <manveru> but lemme do this... :)
[01:27] <g4> but there is no audio :(
[01:28] <g4> well i ve tried with other media like aif wma wav
[01:28] <g4> nothing
[01:29] <manveru> i'm pretty sure amarok doesn't handly cds
[01:29] <g4> ok but i can't hear ANY sound
[01:29] <manveru> now i have inserted a cd, and kscd popped up
[01:30] <manveru> it asks me for cddb and when i press play, i hear sound...
[01:30] <McScruff> how dangerous is it editing  /etc/default/hal
[01:30] <g4> i no :(
[01:30] <manveru> there may be various reasons it doesn't work for you
[01:30] <manveru> McScruff: i wouldn't do it
[01:30] <aftertaf> McScruff: put that is your fstab:    /dev/sda1       /media/usb      vfat    rw,user,auto 0  0
[01:31] <manveru> g4: do you use arts?
[01:31] <g4> arts?
[01:31] <McScruff> sound engine
[01:31] <manveru> and, have you tried closing amarok before playing?
[01:31] <g4> boys I'm at the first installation of kubuntu :)
[01:32] <manveru> yeah, just trying to get a little overview :)
[01:32] <g4> how can I get arts?
[01:32] <manveru> you have got it already
[01:33] <manveru> it is the sound-engine of kde
[01:33] <manveru> could you please try to completly close amarok before you start kscd?
[01:33] <manveru> the little task-bar-icon too
[01:33] <g4> ok
[01:33] <g4> trying
[01:35] <g4> man the cd start
[01:35] <g4> but the audio no
[01:35] <g4> i can see the track
[01:35] <manveru> ok, then it's a bigger problem
[01:36] <g4> UFF
[01:36] <manveru> i've got little knowledge about the architecture of powerbooks
[01:36] <g4> but i have installed all and seems fine
[01:36] <manveru> in a normal pc, there is a cable from your cdrom-drive to the sound-card/MB
[01:36] <g4> man i CAN HEAR the system beep
[01:37] <manveru> i know
[01:37] <manveru> you said that before
[01:37] <manveru> and you can listen to mp3s right?
[01:37] <g4> and if i try to transfer aif from cd to desktop????
[01:37] <manveru> you can rip the cd
[01:38] <manveru> if that helps you
[01:38] <manveru> there is the KAudioCreator
[01:38] <g4> no the simple copy of one track on HFD
[01:38] <g4> HD
[01:38] <manveru> you can't simply copy a cd
[01:38] <manveru> you have to rip it, at least to wav
[01:44] <g4> where rips audiocreator?
[01:44] <g4> destination folder
[01:46] <manveru> it rips to your home-folder
[01:46] <manveru> in ~/mp3 or ~/wav
[01:46] <g4> yes found
[01:47] <g4> now i'd use it with kscd?
[01:47] <manveru> not at all
[01:47] <manveru> now you use it with amarok
[01:48] <g4> trying
[01:50] <g4> ERRO
[01:51] <g4> alsa device default is already in use with another program
[01:51] <g4> :(
[01:51] <manveru> well, yeah
[01:51] <g4> uff
[01:51] <manveru> your arts is using it
[01:52] <manveru> now we get closer to a solution
[01:52] <g4> oh my!
[01:52] <manveru> go to a console and type 'sudo apt-get install amarok-arts'
[01:53] <CarinArr> is there an update-notifier type applet for kde?
[01:53] <manveru> what updates?
[01:53] <CarinArr> package updates
[01:53] <CarinArr> i.e. ubuntu packages
[01:53] <manveru> might be... there is a lot of useless stuff out there :)
[01:54] <manveru> like the SuSE-one?
[01:54] <vendor> hi@all
[01:54] <CarinArr> well in regular ubuntu, in gnome there is an applet type thing at the top right notifying you of important updates
[01:55] <g4> manveru: Its impossible find amarok-arts
[01:56] <manveru> ok, so we have to do some more stuff first
[01:56] <manveru> you are on a _very_ clean install, right
[01:56] <manveru> ?
[01:56] <g4> clean clean :)
[01:57] <manveru> so let's go and edit the sources-list to get to the 17700 applications of the repositories
[01:57] <manveru> ubotu: tell g4 about sources
[01:57] <vendor> Why does apt-get want to install stuff like kpackage(!), xclock, kdat, ksirc (even though there's konversation), ... when I try to update from hoary to breezy? Is this just some sort of mis-configuration of my system?
[01:59] <manveru> g4 and now have a look at this:
[01:59] <manveru> ubotu: tell g4 about repositories
[01:59] <g4> ok a moment
[01:59] <g4> i'd to downlad 17700 app? :D
[01:59] <wolf^amarok> hehe no
[01:59] <manveru> no - it's only giving you the possibility :)
[01:59] <manveru> you can download every single one seperate
[02:00] <manveru> (well, not true for the most, since they depend on some libraries and stuff)
[02:00] <wolf^amarok> just a list of their names an why they're out there
[02:00] <g4> oh but the clean installation is .... :(
[02:00] <wolf^amarok> still clean after this
[02:01] <wolf^amarok> :D
[02:01] <manveru> it's only filling the database of your apt-get
[02:01] <g4> eheh
[02:01] <g4> so boy what is a GOOD installation with GOOD repositories
[02:01] <g4> ?
[02:01] <manveru> what you are about to do atm...
[02:02] <manveru> vendor: is that soo bad?
[02:02] <vendor> really - what is the point in installing two image viewers (kuickshow, kview), two package managers (adept, kpackage), two irc clients (ksirc, konversation), two text editors (kate, kedit),...
[02:03] <g4> man but im using KUBUNTU
[02:03] <manveru> vendor: i've got no idea what you did install in hoary - so there are lots of possibilities that there might be some dependencies
[02:03] <vendor> is there a list of packages that come will a clean kubuntu-install?
[02:03] <manveru> g4: uhm, yeah
[02:04] <manveru> vendor: yeah, just download the iso...
[02:04] <manveru> vendor: and even in a clean install i have about 4 different text-editors
[02:04] <NutterUK> hello when I am in the shell how do i make it load ubuntu?
[02:04] <manveru> vendor: and i can chat in irc with kopete as well...
[02:04] <manveru> vendor: it's all about choice
[02:05] <manveru> g4: kubuntu is only ubuntu without gnome but with kde
[02:05] <g4> i know
[02:05] <vendor> manveru: yes choice - but that doesnt mean you abandon the concept of sane default package selection.
[02:05] <wolf^amarok> is it normal for a "killall amarok && amarok" command to take like 10 minutes?
[02:06] <manveru> wolf^amarok: no... maybe you try 'killall killall'
[02:06] <manveru> ^^
[02:06] <g4> but can I use ADEV
[02:06] <g4> ADEPT?
[02:06] <manveru> g4: of course
[02:06] <manveru> g4: after you have edited your source-list
[02:06] <vendor> thats what i liked about (k)ubuntu in the first place -  you had the applications installed that a "normal" user needs, not five choices for every task there is. this is about usability as well.
[02:06] <vendor> you should be able to choose - not forced to do so.
[02:07] <wolf^amarok> man what happend to my amarok, its just f**ked up
[02:07] <manveru> vendor: well, i have no problem with it - but i can understand
[02:07] <g4> manveru: how can edit?
[02:07] <manveru> wolf^amarok: run it from your console
[02:07] <manveru> g4: i have just given you the link
[02:07] <NutterUK> hello when I am in the shell how do i make it load ubuntu?
[02:07] <manveru> NutterUK: ??
[02:08] <manveru> g4: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[02:08] <g4> ok
[02:08] <wolf^amarok> allright, now thats just strange
[02:08] <wolf^amarok> it gets stuck
[02:08] <manveru> wolf^amarok: i guess there is some zombie hanging aruond
[02:08] <wolf^amarok> not just one
[02:09] <wolf^amarok> :D
[02:09] <NutterUK> manveru Im trying to get my ubuntu working again. Ive just installed windows on my PC and its got rid of my grub. im on the command and I want gnome to start
[02:09] <manveru> wolf^amarok: do a 'ps aux | grep amarok' and tell me how many lines you get
[02:09] <manveru> NutterUK: well, you won't get ubuntu now...
[02:09] <NutterUK> manveru how come?
[02:09] <manveru> NutterUK: your boot-sector has been overwritten by windows
[02:10] <wolf^amarok> but thats fixable with a DSL or knoppix live cd ^^
[02:10] <NutterUK> manveru Ive been trying to restore it but keep getting this error when doing grub-install /dev/hda
[02:10] <wolf^amarok> maveru, u dont wann know, tons of lines
[02:10] <NutterUK> does not have any corresponding bios drive
[02:10] <nalioth> ubotu: tell NutterUK about recover
[02:11] <manveru> wolf^amarok: well, then please try 'pstree'
[02:11] <wolf^amarok> well thats a fine thingy
[02:11] <manveru> wolf^amarok: and look if amarok is at the outer left
[02:11] <wolf^amarok> didnt knew bout that
[02:11] <g4> manveru: what I have to install with adept?
[02:11] <manveru> g4: now look for your amarok-arts
[02:12] <wolf^amarok> well amarokapp is there, is guess thats it
[02:12] <manveru> wolf^amarok: if its the the outer left, you have to restart to get rid of it...
[02:12] <wolf^amarok> grml
[02:12] <manveru> but don't do it now
[02:12] <wolf^amarok> but u'll help me right? ^^
[02:13] <manveru> they are only harmless zombies
[02:13] <wolf^amarok> if thats not it :D
[02:13] <wolf^amarok> mh
[02:13] <manveru> that's what this channel is for :)
[02:13] <wolf^amarok> but i'd like amarok to work again
[02:13] <manveru> wolf^amarok: exactly that's what we try now
[02:13] <wolf^amarok> yeah thx btw, guess u guys dont get that often enough
[02:13] <manveru> but let's switch to #amarok please
[02:13] <wolf^amarok> k
[02:14] <NutterUK> when im in the command prompt how can I make load kubuntu?
[02:14] <raphink> what do you mean NutterUK ?
[02:15] <aftertaf> NutterUK: you mean, X?
[02:15] <vendor> i found kubuntu-5.10-dvd-amd64.manifest - is this the list of packages that are installed by default or is it all packages that are on the dvd?
[02:16] <NutterUK> raphink ive typed chroot mounted /bin/bash and I want to load ubuntu (desktop)
[02:16] <raphink> you want to use a DE in chroot ?
[02:16] <raphink> barbarian
[02:16] <aftertaf> lol
[02:16] <aftertaf> NutterUK: sudo apt-get install (k)ubuntu-desktop
[02:16] <aftertaf> in your chroot.
[02:16] <NutterUK> aftertaf its already installed
[02:17] <aftertaf> inthe chroot?
[02:18] <g4> i can't ad repository :(
[02:18] <NutterUK> afterlaf ive installed windows and lost my grub. tried to restore it but no joy. So i was thinking if i can get the desktop on then I can do it in the administrator section
[02:19] <aftertaf> NutterUK: startx runs desktop environment
[02:19] <aftertaf> windows is the only known linux virus
[02:19] <manveru> g4: what is your problem exactly?
[02:20] <manveru> g4: did you follow the guide for adept?
[02:20] <g4> a moment please :)
[02:20] <NutterUK> aftertaf lol thanks ill give it a try now
[02:20] <markc> are there any 3.5 beta debs anywhere for amd64 ?
[02:20] <nalioth> aftertaf: ? hows that? it has no effect on linux
[02:20] <LeeJunFan> aftertaf: more of a bomb or trojan horse really.
[02:20] <nalioth> markc: you'll have to build the tree from source
[02:20] <LeeJunFan> aftertaf: err maybe a rootkit :)
[02:20] <aftertaf> nalioth: well, it can break grub, thats all
[02:21] <markc> nalioth> thanks... can you suggest the best method howto ?
[02:21] <manveru> aftertaf: and what about formatting your HD?
[02:22] <markc> nalioth> I mean the kubuntu frienliest way to do so ?
[02:22] <markc> friendliest
[02:22] <nalioth> markc: apt-get can build them for you
[02:22] <aftertaf> manveru: that would be destructive and silly. :)
[02:22] <nalioth> markc: join #kubuntu-offtopic please
[02:23] <manveru> aftertaf: who says that a bomb has to be constructive and intelligent?
[02:23] <nalioth> manveru: off topic
[02:23] <spiral> hi
[02:24] <g4> ok im updating
[02:25] <conn> hi, I want to mount the initrd.img-2.6.12-9-386 as a loopback filesystem to look at the contents of the file, but I can't mount it (it says wrong filesystem when I try ext2 or ext3), does anyone know how i can do it properlly?
[02:25] <g4> manveru are u there?
[02:25] <manveru> oh, a bit :)
[02:26] <aftertaf> manveru: smartbombs....
[02:26] <manveru> g4: everything going smooth?
[02:26] <nalioth> aftertaf: dude, off topic
[02:27] <aftertaf> true....
[02:27] <aftertaf> digression.
[02:28] <g4> now I have all repository ;D
[02:34] <g4> now i have to install something reala?
[02:34] <manveru> g4: you got the amarok-arts?
[02:35] <g4> i can see arts, engines, gstreamer, xine
[02:35] <g4> only gstreamer installed
[02:36] <manveru> that's odd
[02:36] <g4> can i install arts, engines e xine?
[02:36] <g4> everything?
[02:36] <manveru> sure
[02:37] <g4> ok now try
[02:40] <g4> PERFECT!!!!!
[02:41] <g4> manveru: thanku very very much!
[02:41] <manveru> it works?
[02:41] <g4> sure
[02:41] <manveru> fine :)
[02:41] <blackflag> hello all :-)
[02:41] <g4> with XINE setting
[02:41] <g4> in engine :)
[02:42] <blackflag> I have a question about faxing within openoffice
[02:42] <blackflag> all is working I can fax with kprintfax
[02:43] <blackflag> but I want to fax within openoffice and use kprintfax
[02:43] <g4> manveru: thank u now ive understood many things about
[02:43] <blackflag> so that I have addressbook from kprintfax and s.o.
[02:43] <blackflag> has someone an idea how to do this
[02:43] <blackflag> ?
[02:43] <blackflag> I used spadmin
[02:44] <blackflag> and set the printer to |kprintfax
[02:44] <blackflag> but this dont work very well
[02:44] <manveru> g4: np - just come back when you've got more problems
[02:44] <blackflag> before kprintfax is started
[02:44] <blackflag> a dialog appears
[02:45] <blackflag> to set the msn
[02:45] <blackflag> when I do this kprintfax appears
[02:45] <g4> bye bye ... see u! ;)
[02:45] <blackflag> and can not fax the document about kprintfax
[02:46] <blackflag> so what can I do?
[02:46] <blackflag> has someone an idea?
[02:48] <manveru> ubotu: x11 header
[02:48] <ubotu> manveru: What?
[02:49] <nalioth> !xincludes
[02:49] <ubotu> methinks xincludes is for X dev libs, install xlibs-dev, xlibs-static-dev and x-window-system-dev
[02:49] <manveru> ah, exactly
[02:49] <manveru> ty :)
[02:53] <blackflag> no has an idea??
[02:56] <manveru> sorry blackflag i have to say that i never sent a fax in my whole life...
[02:57] <volker> hi anybody here installed e17?
[03:10] <dipnlik> volker: what is e17?
[03:10] <manveru> enlightenment?
[03:11] <manveru> recource-eating DE with almost no real apps
[03:12] <dipnlik> manveru: i know enlightenment, just didn't know about the e17 name, heh
[03:25] <aftertaf> manveru: joking right?
[03:26] <aftertaf> its the fastest one i have tried on this slow laptop
[03:26] <manveru> you never tried WMII? :)
[03:26] <aftertaf> nope
[03:26] <aftertaf> v2?
[03:26] <manveru> sorry, but that was my impression from e17... maybe it's better with acceleration
[03:27] <manveru> no, WMII has nothing to do with wmI
[03:27] <aftertaf> windowmaker?
[03:27] <nalioth> manveru: we dont know what WMII is
[03:27] <manveru> it's just another of these blackboxes
[03:28] <manveru> or forks of other boxes
[03:28] <manveru> it's a whole family
[03:28] <aftertaf> fluxbox et al
[03:29] <manveru> and there are other fast ones out there
[03:29] <manveru> maybe i will use e17 sometime
[03:29] <aftertaf> worth a look
[03:35] <dipnlik> volker or _volker , why did you ask about e in first place?
[03:39] <_volker> dipnlik: what?
[03:39] <_volker> ;)
[03:41] <aftertaf> do it once with cvs and compiling yourself.
[03:42] <aftertaf> you can use the script to update changes latr.
[03:44] <_volker> aftertaf: i think ill wait till the repo is back online
[03:44] <aftertaf> it seems ok for me now....
[03:44] <aftertaf> deb http://soulmachine.net/breezy/ unstable/   put it as is....
[03:45] <nalioth> aftertaf: i just pinged it about an hour ago, and got "unknown host"
[03:45] <aftertaf> in sources.list, not with adept.... but with vim/nano
[03:45] <mornfall> what?
[03:45] <nalioth> volker: got a solution for you
[03:45] <aftertaf> Index of /breezy
[03:45] <aftertaf> i get there as of 10 secs ago
[03:45] <_volker> anyone runs kubunut on an amd64??
[03:45] <nalioth> volker: open your sources.list for writing
[03:46] <nalioth> aftertaf: our dns server is dead
[03:46] <aftertaf> ok
[03:46] <aftertaf> :)
[03:46] <_volker> nalioth: ok
[03:46] <nalioth> volker: change soulmachine.net to <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:46] <aftertaf> soulmachine.net.        14400   IN      A       <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:46] <aftertaf> hehe you got there first ;)
[03:47] <aftertaf> catch yall later
[03:48] <_volker> nalioth: to this? deb http://<IP_ADDRESS>/breezy unstable/
[03:48] <nalioth> _volker: yes. now you should be able to update and see enlightenment things
[03:50] <dipnlik> _volker: well, you asked if someone installed e17. wonder why you asked that
[03:50] <_volker> nalioth: still e16 only
[03:50] <_badfish> does anyone have experience with kubuntu + kerberos?
[03:51] <_volker> nalioth: brb
[03:51] <_badfish> Kerberos on my system is setup fine, gets a ticket, can login from shell and gnome, but KDE just hangs if i try to login..Any thoughts?
[04:36] <etam> which packages should i apt-get to have javac?
[04:36] <etam> line 572 (createRawData): assertion failed: (data_fid != 0)
[04:36] <etam> aborting...
[04:36] <etam> ups sorry
[04:36] <etam> line 572 (createRawData): assertion failed: (data_fid != 0)
[04:36] <etam> which packages should i apt-get to have javac?
[04:43] <RaRe> etam: I'd help if I know, but sadly im a newbie =/
[04:45] <etam> RaRe: thanks :)
[04:46] <nalioth> etam: javacc  ?
[04:47] <_volker> wine isnt available in ubuntu???
[04:47] <nalioth> _volker: it is
[04:48] <nalioth> ubotu: tell _volker about wine
[04:48] <_volker> but in adept theres only libwine wine-doc and xwine???
[04:49] <nalioth> _volker: did you read the bots factoid?
[04:49] <_volker> ok.
[04:49] <_volker> ill use the winecs.sh script than;)
[04:49] <_volker> that works fine
[05:05] <rikva> Is there a temporary workaround to use the media:/ kioslave till it gets fixed?
[05:06] <_volker> nalioth: ive got some problems with my repos.
[05:06] <_volker> ive added the wine repositories, but i cant find wine with apt
[05:07] <_volker> dont know why
[05:07] <nalioth> did you update your apt after adding the repos?
[05:07] <_volker> yes i did
[05:08] <tvo> anyone hav an idea how to fake having a dvd drive for xine? (I've got a dir with the files)
[05:08] <nalioth> ubotu: tell _volker about paste
[05:08] <_volker> nalioth: here u can find my /etc/apt/source.list
[05:08] <_volker> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/5SMP1D63.html
[05:09] <rikva> tvo: go to the xine setup, set it to expert, and change the path at the media tab
[05:11] <nalioth> _volker: try using "breezy" instead of "binary"
[05:11] <_volker> ok
[05:12] <tvo> rikva: thanks, works perfect :)
[05:12] <rikva> :)
[05:14] <_volker> nalioth: still not available
[05:14] <nalioth> _volker: <GGRRR>
[05:15] <nalioth> _volker: you're running breezy on an x86, correct?
[05:15] <_volker> nalioth: lol. no
[05:15] <_volker> x86_64
[05:15] <nalioth> _volker: no wonder!
[05:15] <_volker> ??
[05:15] <kinfo> i don't understand.
[05:15] <nalioth> _volker: you'll have to build it from source
[05:15] <_volker> why??
[05:15] <nalioth> _volker: amd64 and powerpc users are lacking many binaries
[05:15] <_volker> nalioth: is this also the problem for enlightenment?
[05:16] <nalioth> _volker: you may also have trouble RUNNING it
[05:16] <nalioth> _volker: yes exactly
[05:16] <_volker> LOL
[05:16] <_volker> kk i see
[05:16] <_volker> ;)
[05:16] <nalioth> _volker: if you wish to get any compatibility, you might wish to use the 686 kernel
[05:29] <RaRe> !audio
[05:30] <ubotu> RaRe: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[05:30] <RaRe> !sound
[05:30] <ubotu> methinks sound is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[05:30] <RaRe> <3 ubotu
[05:32] <nalioth> RaRe: did you have something for me?
[05:41] <RaRe> nalioth: ?
[05:41] <RaRe> nalioth: nope
[05:42] <nalioth> RaRe: you msg'd me t'other day, i was just wondering
[05:42] <Fuji-san> professor is idiot
[05:43] <Fuji-san> spend whole periods talks about how bad we did on the project
[05:43] <Fuji-san> he just look at the cover
[05:43] <Fuji-san> and he said whole class did a bad job on it
[05:43] <Fuji-san> is engineering graphic project
[05:44] <Fuji-san> he said if cover is not attractive don;t even think ppl will read inside
[05:44] <Fuji-san> then whole class is piss
[05:44] <Fuji-san> because he start rip the project
[05:44] <Fuji-san> he left room for like 2 min
[05:44] <Fuji-san> come back with paper cutter
[05:45] <Fuji-san> he start throws everyone project into it
[05:45] <Fuji-san> and he just destroy it
[05:45] <Fuji-san> this project count 30% of whole semester grade
[05:45] <Fuji-san> he already give everyone 0
[05:46] <Fuji-san> before i walk out he said class on friday is 2 hour long not 1 hour long
[05:46] <RaRe> nalioth: oh, that. Well I got out of my lazy butt and really scoured google and reinstalled alot just to get my kubuntu right ;)
[05:46] <Fuji-san> he throws al linto paper cutter
[05:46] <Fuji-san> i have 2 page drawing is by hand takes alot of time to do ;(((
[05:47] <RaRe> give ur prof the finger
[05:47] <RaRe> your*
[06:01] <RaRe> is 'sh xxxx.run' correct when installing a *.run file?
[06:03] <rikva> RaRe: yes, or use ./xxxx.run
[06:04] <RaRe> rikva: it says permission denied and when i add sudo it says command not found
[06:04] <RaRe> rikva: whenever i use ./
[06:05] <nalioth> RaRe: the .bin has to be marked as 'executable'
[06:07] <RaRe> oh... so that's it. and clicking on the file works when it's executable
[06:07] <RaRe> is .bin = .run?
[06:07] <nalioth> RaRe: you should "always" run .bin files in a terminal
[06:07] <nalioth> RaRe: otw, the terminal closes b4 you can see what it did
[06:07] <RaRe> oh. okie
[06:08] <RaRe> last question for the night... what's "Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library"
[06:09] <nalioth> RaRe: did the program start and work?
[06:09] <RaRe> nalioth: yea
[06:10] <nalioth> RaRe: then ignore it
[06:10] <RaRe> nalioth: oh wait, the installation window worked
[06:11] <nalioth> i get that all the time when i start gtk apps from terminal
[06:11] <nalioth> so do all gnome users
[06:11] <RaRe> nalioth: but i got alot of "kbuildsycoca: WARNING:" after the installation
[06:11] <libben> anyone knows good linux courses? on the net that is, where u can pay a monthly fee to be self educated and get some sort of sys admin status on paper?
[06:11] <nalioth> RaRe: but the program opened, right? after a lot of that kbuildsycocoa crap?
[06:12] <RaRe> as for the program I don't think it's working
[06:12] <RaRe> maybe cube needs a reboot.
[06:12] <RaRe> brb
[06:14] <humbolt> I have an ALPS touchpad and I know how to configure it except for the device option because it sometimes shows up as event4 and sometimes as event5. How can I map this reliably?
[06:23] <kurumin_> hi all
[06:24] <kurumin_> could someone help-me?
[06:24] <nalioth> kurumin_: if you ask us something
[06:25] <kurumin_> I finished the kubuntu instalation on B&W PowerMac G3, but, it dont start after reboot
[06:25] <kurumin_> i see only a icon in the monitor with a symbol ?
[06:25] <nalioth> kurumin_: your bootloader didnt install
[06:25] <humbolt> As soon as I have my USB mouse attached at startx, it is mouse0/event1 and shifts my touchpad up one device in the stack from mouse2/event4 to mouse3/event5. But using the auto-dev thing always chooses the ps2 interface to the touchpad not the event interface and therefore it does not work either.
[06:26] <nalioth> kurumin_: is that an old world or new world mac?
[06:27] <kurumin_> nalioth, in this case, i need to reinstal it from the cd or there is a method to instal only the boot loader?
[06:27] <kurumin_> new world mac
[06:27] <PupenoL> Doesn't Kubuntu have scripts for automatically running iptable-save/restore (like other distros do) ?
[06:27] <nalioth> kurumin_: if new world, boot the install cd, answer the language and location questions, and press "go back" after those are answered
[06:28] <nalioth> kurumin_: you shoule "go back" to a list of items to do during the install, choose "install boot loader"
[06:29] <kurumin_> i am trying...
[06:30] <kurumin_> nalioth; what is the best boot loader on mac? on i386 i use lilo.
[06:30] <nalioth> kurumin_: on new world macs, yaboot is the only bootloader
[06:39] <humbolt> How can I make sure, the touchpad kernel modules are loaded prior to the USB modules??
[06:39] <humbolt> If I can do that, my touchpad device would not shift one event interface up (from event4 to event5) if I have an USB mouse installed on boot.
[06:42] <manveru> could someone help me believing that i now just have to _copy_ oggs to my HD instead of ripping&encoding? - i mean, it essentially is the same - but now it feels much nicer :)
[06:45] <Update> ANY ONE CATCHED THE NEW LINUX WORM ?
[06:46] <nalioth> !shout
[06:46] <ubotu> rumour has it, shout is WE CAN READ LOWER CASE! IF SOMEONE KNOWS THEY WILL ANSWER!
[06:50] <KaoticEvil> hi everyone :)
[06:51] <nalioth> howdy
[06:52] <Update>  ANY ONE CATCHED THE NEW LINUX WORM
[06:52] <Update>  IS IT OPEN SOURCED YET ?
[06:52] <KaoticEvil> linux worm?
[06:53] <nalioth> Update: turn off the caps, dude
[06:53] <BlankC> Update: turn off your Caps.
[06:53] <Update> worm virus whatever
[06:53] <BlankC> Update: I have read about it but have not seen an infection.
[06:53] <kurumin_> nalioth, during the install process, in the disc parting, the system ask me for a start partition. I choose 830 kb for it. This is enough for yaboot?
[06:54] <Update> damn i was hopping to catcuh it
[06:55] <nalioth> kurumin_: i usually choose 1mb
[06:55] <Update> i can trade for other worms
[06:55] <Update> i got some from winxp
[06:56] <Update> rhen we can get them on p2p
[06:56] <Update> :)
[06:57] <Vivaldi> hello
[06:57] <Update> p2p poisoning is one of my favorit hacks
[06:57] <Vivaldi> i have a problem with kubuntu. it repeated twice
[06:57] <Vivaldi> after installing kubuntu, i can login as root. any ideas?
[06:57] <Vivaldi> after installing kubuntu, i *can'T* login as root. any ideas?
[06:57] <BlankC> !root
[06:57] <ubotu> well, root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[06:57] <KaoticEvil> ubotu:  tell Vivaldi about sudo
[06:58] <Update> Vivaldi mv ./
[06:58] <Update> Vivaldi mv /.
[06:58] <Update> Vivaldi sudo mv /.
[06:58] <Update> that should work :)
[06:58] <Update> ive read it on a suse user forum
[06:59] <bhna> are there amarok 1.3.6 debs somewhere?
[06:59] <nalioth> !root
[06:59] <ubotu> root is, like, totally, disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[06:59] <nalioth> Update: do you like it in here?
[06:59] <Vivaldi> hmm
[06:59] <Vivaldi> what's the reason?
[06:59] <nalioth> Vivaldi: do not listen to Vivaldi
[07:00] <nalioth> Vivaldi: do not listen to Update
[07:00] <Update> not really
[07:00] <KaoticEvil> Update:  if you dont like it here, whya re you here?
[07:00] <Vivaldi> what's the reason of this limit?
[07:00] <nalioth> Vivaldi: user safety
[07:00] <Update> Vivaldi is an haxor
[07:00] <BlankC> Vivaldi: It explains on the url that ubotu gave.
[07:00] <Vivaldi> okay
[07:00] <Vivaldi> anyway
[07:00] <Update> let him skew its craap up
[07:01] <nalioth> i hate trolls
[07:01] <KaoticEvil> heh
[07:01] <KaoticEvil> you and everyone else i know thats *not* a troll
[07:01] <nalioth> esp trolls that offer dangerous information
[07:02] <Vivaldi> apart from any explanations, there must be a bug then in sudo when asking for the user password.. it happens that i have a system where both user and root password are the same.. et voila'.. i can't login
[07:02] <KaoticEvil> Vivaldi:  the password for sudo is the password for your first user account...
[07:02] <nalioth> Vivaldi: i'm not too helpful with non ubuntu systems
[07:02] <Vivaldi> KaoticEvil, yes..
[07:03] <Vivaldi> KaoticEvil, i have root and first user accounts where the password are the same
[07:03] <Vivaldi> and i cant login
[07:03] <KaoticEvil> Vivaldi:  on ubuntu?
[07:03] <Vivaldi> kubuntu
[07:03] <KaoticEvil> same difference ;)
[07:03] <KaoticEvil> i dont know man.. i can login just fine
[07:04] <nalioth> bettong_BOFH: Vivaldi what does it tell you?
[07:04] <Vivaldi> ok.. try installing a system where root and first user use the same password and see by yourself that you cant login trough the graphical tools
[07:04] <jetsaredim> I can't see, to find the docs that explain how to update a fresh install of 5.04
[07:04] <nalioth> ubotu: tell jetsaredim about breezy
[07:04] <KaoticEvil> Vivaldi:  actually, i can login just fine...
[07:05] <Vivaldi> nalioth, "invalid password" or something like that
[07:05] <Vivaldi> KaoticEvil, do you use the same password for both normal user and root?
[07:05] <KaoticEvil> yup
[07:05] <bettse> If i'd like to use a kernel.org kernel, what is the correct method for installing it (i'm using grub, but the kernel's make install doesn't create an initrd in /boot)
[07:05] <Vivaldi> hmm
[07:05] <jetsaredim> nalioth: yea, but I need the really basic information about adding repositories without Adept
[07:05] <nalioth> Vivaldi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LostPassword
[07:05] <nalioth> ubotu: tell jetsaredim about repos
[07:05] <mornfall> what's wrong with adept? ;-)
[07:06] <jetsaredim> its not in Hoary, I don't think
[07:06] <Vivaldi> nalioth, i did not loose thje password.. in facts, i can login by using terminals without any problems
[07:06] <Vivaldi> its's just this damn sudo
[07:07] <nalioth> Vivaldi: if you can log in via terminal, change the user account pass
[07:07] <nalioth> Vivaldi: why do you have an active root account anywaY?
[07:07] <Vivaldi> nalioth, what do you mean?
[07:08] <Vivaldi> nalioth, "active"? what do you mean
[07:08] <nalioth> root accounts are disabled by default
[07:08] <Vivaldi> well.. i do not think i have ever activare root
[07:09] <Vivaldi> nalioth, i hope i am clear
[07:09] <_xuniL> how do i check what kernel i am useing?
[07:09] <bhna> _xuniL: uname -a
[07:10] <_xuniL> thx
[07:10] <KaoticEvil> _xuniL:  uname -r will give you your kernel version
[07:10] <Vivaldi> i really here must be a bug when choosing two identical password for root and user
[07:10] <_xuniL> k
[07:10] <nalioth> Vivaldi: then how do you have "a root and a user password" the same?
[07:10] <nalioth> Vivaldi: there is no root user, unless you actively enabled it
[07:11] <bhna> Vivaldi: how do you ogin as root? where do you have an root password?
[07:11] <Vivaldi> i just type "su"
[07:11] <bettse> If i'd like to use a kernel.org kernel, what is the correct method for installing it? (i'm using grub, but the kernel's make install doesn't create an initrd in /boot)
[07:11] <Vivaldi> i thought  it asked for root password
[07:11] <_john> where are the settings located by default?
[07:11] <Vivaldi> didn't it?
[07:11] <_john> like in konqueror, if you type "trash:/" it goes to the trashbin, how do you get to the settings like htis?
[07:12] <bhna> Vivaldi: after su which apssword do you use?
[07:12] <nalioth> Vivaldi: nowhere in the install does it ask for a root pass
[07:12] <_john> oh nevermind
[07:12] <_john> i got it
[07:13] <Vivaldi> bhna, the root password, which is the same as the user password, which let me configure the system when i use the x terminal, but which cannot allow me to configure the system through graphical tools
[07:13] <bhna> Vivaldi: when and how do you enable the root account?
[07:13] <_xuniL> i have a philips webcam thats not it the webcam driver list... i have gott the source for the kernel but how do i install?
[07:14] <Vivaldi> nalioth, it's not possible..during the installation i was asked for a root password
[07:14] <bhna> Vivaldi: there is nowhere a qusetion about the root password in the installation
[07:14] <Vivaldi> hmm
[07:14] <Vivaldi> even in expert mode?
[07:14] <Vivaldi> i used the expert installation
[07:15] <bhna> Vivaldi: in the expert mode is a root password question!
[07:15] <nalioth> Vivaldi: you were asked for a user pass which - used with sudo - has all root powers
[07:15] <Vivaldi> well, okay there 's a bug then
[07:16] <nalioth> Vivaldi: log it via the terminal, and change your user password from the root account
[07:16] <Vivaldi> i was asked for root in expert mode. when accessing graphical tool, typing the root password (which is the same as the user password) does not work
[07:16] <Vivaldi> nalioth, i will
[07:18] <nalioth> Vivaldi: x/k/ubuntu is not set up to recognize a root account
[07:18] <nalioth> Vivaldi: you may HAVE a root account, but as you see most things dont know what to do
[07:23] <wachtep> join #openoffce
[07:26] <kurumin_> nalioth, i install kubuntu again from using expert mode and, at the end of instalation, i choose install yaboot on the hard disk, but it dont turn up. i see the same symbol: a icon with ?. What i do now?
[07:26] <nalioth> kurumin_: i have no clue. ask in #ubuntu
[07:28] <borbeuze> hall
[07:35] <KaoticEvil> ROFL http://www.toilette-humor.com/computer-at-night.html
[07:35] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: erm, offtopic?
[07:35] <KaoticEvil> yeah, i know...
[07:35] <KaoticEvil> sorry
[07:35] <KaoticEvil> still funny tho ;)
[07:55] <jjesse> how do i register a program so it works in katapult?  for example nothing shows up if i type nessus, but i have it installed
[07:56] <manveru> run kappfinder
[07:56] <manveru> it searches programs that are not in k-menu, where all the applications are found from katapult
[07:57] <jjesse> hmm katapult doesn't find kappfinder :)
[07:57] <manveru> ^^
[07:57] <manveru> it doesn't find all the interesting programs :)
[07:58] <jjesse> still didn't find nessus
[07:58] <manveru> isn't nessus some network-app?
[07:58] <manveru> however, so you have to manually add it
[07:59] <jjesse> yeah nessus is a network app, just thought it would be nice to be able to launch thru katapult
[08:00] <manveru> i'ven't got kcontrol in katapult as well (i'm proud of the first word man ^^)...
[08:03] <KaoticEvil> kappfinder is only for non-KDE apps
[08:18] <Broxtor> Does breezy have a firewall running by default?
[08:20] <morrow> no, but it has no remotely reachable network daemons running
[08:21] <morrow> (unless you start to install one)
[08:22] <Broxtor> morrow: thanks. I'm having trouble setting up an ftp server (proftp). I can reach from my LAN, but not from outside my LAN. I have port 21 forwarded to the pc running proftpd.
[08:24] <morrow> ftp is a multi-port protocol, unless your nat-router is able to track FTP it will fail probably
[08:24] <Broxtor> morrow: I also pointed the DMZ host to that pc. But it doesn't seem to make a difference
[08:27] <KaoticEvil> i need to get my DHCP server to assign me the same IP if i need to reboot.
[08:28] <KaoticEvil> because my network is totally broken if i assign a static IP
[08:33] <rikva> KaoticEvil: DHCP should do this automagically, doesn't it?
[08:34] <KaoticEvil> rikva:  i would think so... but it assigns me a different IP every time
[08:34] <rikva> KaoticEvil: that is weird, I've never seen that before
[08:34] <KaoticEvil> me either
[08:34] <rikva> KaoticEvil: how much computers are on the network? Perhaps an other computer steals your IP?
[08:35] <KaoticEvil> i was wondering why my port-forwarding was broken
[08:35] <KaoticEvil> no, there are only 2 computers on the LAN
[08:35] <rikva> KaoticEvil: but why does you network break if you use static IP?
[08:35] <KaoticEvil> i have no idea
[08:35] <KaoticEvil> could be XP's ICS, i suppose
[08:36] <KaoticEvil> thats my DHCP server :P
[08:38] <rikva> KaoticEvil: possible, that could also be the problem of the assignment of the IP's. I wouldn't trust a DHCP server on a XP machine ;)
[08:38] <KaoticEvil> rikva:  i dont really have much of a choice...
[08:39] <rikva> KaoticEvil: you router has no dhcp function?
[08:39] <KaoticEvil> my router *is* the XP box :P
[08:40] <KaoticEvil> well, its my gateway anyway.... i dont have a router
[08:42] <rikva> KaoticEvil: install linux on it! ;)
[08:42] <KaoticEvil> i cant
[08:42] <KaoticEvil> not my box :(
[08:55] <DaSkreec1> Ok I have a fairly unusual question
[08:55] <DaSkreec1> Can I completly clear the login screnn at the CLI
[09:00] <bastardkestrel> hi
[09:01] <bastardkestrel> can someone help me answer a question regarding the install process?
[09:05] <jrattner1> Anyone ever seen this error: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4260
[09:07] <_xuniL> i have a old philips webcam... i installed the pwc-source with apt-get. but still cant use it...?
[09:13] <little_bob> hi. someone here who use a iomega rev usb drive ?
[09:14] <spamhog> 5.10, no sound....       been trawling wiki, guides, ran searches etc etc to no avail, only found unusable forward looking policy documents - is there ANY document on Kubuntu audio configuration?
[09:15] <spamhog> I mean...  current, not "plans"
[09:15] <_xuniL> cant play mp3?
[09:15] <spamhog> _xunil  can't play anything...
[09:15] <_xuniL> yeah thought so :D
[09:15] <spamhog> no /dev/dsp either
[09:16] <_xuniL> you need to install gstreamer and so on...
[09:16] <spamhog> ah!   OK, saw a doc about that, but will that take care of overall audio confing?  I don't see why it should...
[09:17] <_xuniL> it does...
[09:18] <_xuniL> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[09:18] <spamhog> tnx will dig on X sign
[09:19] <_xuniL> somewhere there is a howto
[09:21] <spamhog> latest gstreamer & a ton of plugins are installed...  next suggestion?
[09:22] <_xuniL> dident work?
[09:24] <spamhog> it's always been there, installed by default, problem must not be solvable by installing what is already installed
[09:25] <spamhog> It seems to me that Ubuntu docs are even more sparse than Debian's...    :-(
[09:25] <_xuniL> i have found the page one time :D
[09:25] <spamhog> I dreamt of it
[09:25] <_xuniL> and it is a short command here to but dont remebmer it
[09:26] <_xuniL> !gstreamer
[09:26] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, _xuniL
[09:26] <marilena> !w32codecs
[09:26] <ubotu> w32codecs is probably for w32codecs in Breezy visit http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/dists/breezy-seveas/breezy-extras/
[09:27] <spamhog> if you apropos alsa you see "set-default-soundcard", which isn't there of course....
[09:27] <_xuniL> thx marilena
[09:27] <_xuniL> heres alos a site
[09:27] <_xuniL> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.3469703387
[09:30] <murtaugh> does anyone know if there is a way to keep kopete pop-ups from crashing kompmgr / kde?
[09:31] <dom> nope
[09:32] <murtaugh> thats too bad, it will be nice when its stable :)
[09:32] <spamhog> thanks _xuniL !
[09:32] <_xuniL> np :D
[09:32] <_xuniL> works great now? spamhog
[09:33] <spamhog> still trying to figure out if gstreamer0.8-mad is installed (the rest is not relevant) but I have an inkling it isn't relevant either
[09:34] <g4g4> join #ubuntu-it
[09:34] <g4g4> hi can u help me?
[09:34] <_xuniL> ?