[03:04] <cody-somerville> knome, Hey. I assume the new website theme for xubuntu.org doesn't incorporate the Google Analytic code as I just noticed traffic dropped off heavily February 3rd, lol.
[03:41] <Unit193> cody-somerville: Who all has access to that anyway?
[03:42] <cody-somerville> Unit193, Charlie, Pasi, and myself currently have access
[03:42] <Unit193> Ta.
[10:00] <knome> cody-somerville, can you remind me of the GA admin url? i'll add analytics when i have time
[10:00] <knome> there might even be plugins for that...
[10:00] <Unit193> There is.
[10:12] <knome> inkscape tilted and so did the whole laptop.
[14:38] <bluesabre> Well, there we go.  Parole 0.3.0 is released :-)
[14:38] <bluesabre> (Might not have hit the MLs yet)
[16:01] <micahg> that's the first major release in 2 years
[16:01] <knome> hihi
[16:02] <bluesabre> Yeah, let's not let that happen again
[16:02] <bluesabre> :D
[16:06] <bluesabre> Regarding bug #775117
[16:07] <bluesabre> Any way we could ship a different config for  /usr/share/gvfs/mounts/network.mount, settings AutoMount=false
[16:08] <cody-somerville> knome, http://www.google.com/analytics/
[17:25] <malv1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/xfwm4/+bug/1001936 can we have this patch applied to 12.04?
[17:25] <knome> micahg, possible?
[17:26] <malv1> the same patch that works for 4.10 works for 4.8
[17:39] <micahg> knome: if you get me a 12.04.1 exception, I'll see if I can get it uploaded later
[17:39] <knome> micahg, it's a deal. i'll try to do that tomorrow.
[18:53] <bluesabre> Why can't everything just work like it does in Xubuntu?  :(
[18:54] <knome> :P
[19:29] <drc> Is that everything-stable or -current :)
[19:37] <bluesabre> Depends on if you consider developing while using the xfce-4.10 stable
[19:37] <bluesabre> (ppa)
[20:46] <drc> Is that everything-stable or -current :)
[20:46] <drc> sorry


[00:43] <cjohnston> wgrant: ping
[00:44] <wgrant> cjohnston: Hi
[00:45] <cjohnston> wgrant: "The only consumers I know to be buggy in this respect are
[00:45] <cjohnston> Summit and OpenStack's gerrit -- they're trying to do the mapping the
[00:45] <cjohnston> wrong way."
[00:46] <cjohnston> I'm not sure what that means about mapping the wrong way
[00:46] <cjohnston> sorry for the multi-line paste
[00:47] <wgrant> cjohnston: An OpenID identifier has 0 or 1 Launchpad accounts, but a Launchpad account can have any number of OpenID identifiers. So it doesn't make sense to ask "what is this Launchpad account's OpenID identifier"
[00:47] <wgrant> It does make sense, however, to ask "what is this OpenID identifier's Launchpad account"
[00:48] <wgrant> summit and gerrit scrape the (somewhat deprecated) OpenID delegation information from the person page to attempt to answer the question that it doesn't make sense to answer.
[00:48] <cjohnston> Ok.
[00:48] <wgrant> The delegation information isn't there for that purpose; it's just for making a pretty OpenID URL for sites that ask for it.
[00:49] <wgrant> Now, SSO should give you the Launchpad username when someone authenticates to you.
[00:49] <wgrant> You could use that to map
[00:49] <wgrant> However, it's probably better in general if we add an interface to the Launchpad API which lets you look up a person by OpenID identifier.
[00:49] <wgrant> Would that be useful for you?
[00:50] <cjohnston> Does that work/what happens when the openid identifier doesn't have a LP account?
[00:50] <wgrant> It'll return None
[00:50] <wgrant> And SSO won't pass a username at all
[00:50] <cjohnston> Would that then be able to forward to create an LP account?
[00:50] <cjohnston> as we require LP accounts
[00:51] <wgrant> You can complain that they don't have a Launchpad account and give them a link to create one, same as now (I assume)
[00:51] <wgrant> How do you determine that now?
[00:51] <cjohnston> ok
[00:51] <cjohnston> That I'm not sure
[00:51] <wgrant> I suspect that you don't.
[00:51] <cjohnston> I assume it just throws some sort of error about not being able to login
[00:51] <wgrant> But it's possible that you check the SSO response for the giveaway LP fields.
[00:52] <cjohnston> I think that the API change would probably work for us.
[00:54] <wgrant> Great.
[00:54] <wgrant> I'll just have a look around lp:summit to see what sort of stuff it needs, just in case.
[00:54] <cjohnston> Sure thing
[00:55] <cjohnston> Do you think that it would be possible to have this feature by sometime in September?
[00:56] <wgrant> Unless something goes wrong the API should be there this week some time. We already have a very similar private one, just need to tweak and expose it.
[00:56] <cjohnston> Awesome... Thanks wgrant
[00:56] <wgrant> I think there may even be an existing bug I can steal for it.
[00:56]  * wgrant hunts.
[00:57] <cjohnston> ok
[00:57] <cjohnston> If so, do you mind marking it as effecting Summit just so that we have it for tracking pelase
[00:57] <cjohnston> please
[02:33] <Noldorin> wgrant, did you see my suggestion earlier perchance?
[02:34] <wgrant> Noldorin: You could file a bug about it, but I'm not sure we generally want to make it easier for confused users to create projects.
[02:35] <Noldorin> heh true
[02:35] <Noldorin> wgrant, i'm not a confused user though!? ;-)
[02:35] <Noldorin> i just create lots of projects heh
[02:35] <wgrant> Noldorin: Any time we try to add a link like that to make things easier, a very confused non-technical Ubuntu user uses that link to complain that their computer is broken.
[02:35] <wgrant> So we get support requests in teams, projects, blueprints, PPAs, new user accounts, etc. :(
[02:35] <wgrant> We have some *very* confused users.
[02:36] <Noldorin> wgrant, i don't know how anyone could construe that sort of logic :-S
[02:36] <Noldorin> hah
[02:36] <Noldorin> okay
[02:36] <Noldorin> i'll take your word for it
[02:36] <Noldorin> wgrant, maybe just keep the same page and have a link at the bottom for creating a project with that name...
[02:36] <Noldorin> admittedly that's low priority though
[02:44] <wgrant> cjohnston: Still around?
[02:45] <wgrant> Noldorin: Perhaps -- you could file a bug.
[02:45] <wgrant> Noldorin: It'd be nice to have a link there, but as I said we have to balance with not further confusing already very confused users.
[02:45] <Noldorin> yeah
[02:45] <wgrant> Noldorin: They have a habit of clicking on anything they see.
[02:45] <cjohnston> wgrant: yes
[02:46] <Noldorin> wgrant, that's the problem with linux entering the mainstream market ;-)
[02:46] <Noldorin> "problem"
[02:46] <Noldorin> wgrant, would it get implemented soon-ish though?
[02:46] <wgrant> cjohnston: Do you have enough access to production to see what's going on with https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/198619? The delegation info on his LP page now matches his SSO identity, so now we just need to deconfuse Summit somehow.
[02:46] <wgrant> Noldorin: Probably not :(
[02:47] <cjohnston> wgrant: no.. but i believe I know the issue
[02:50] <Noldorin> wgrant, yeah... i supposed that you launchpad folk are over-worked, hence probably not worth my submitting it
[02:50] <Noldorin> cheers for being honest at least :-P
[02:52] <wgrant> Noldorin: Heh
[02:52] <wgrant> cjohnston: Anything I can help with?
[02:53] <cjohnston> wgrant: I'm working with IS currently to try what I think may fix it
[02:54] <Noldorin> wgrant, on higher priority issues: when is an interface for managing Project Groups on the website coming?
[02:54] <wgrant> Noldorin: What sort of management?
[02:54] <wgrant> Project groups are somewhat deprecated and considered to be a bad idea, so no real work on them is planned.
[02:54] <Noldorin> wgrant, creation, deletion, editing details, adding/removing projects to/form the group ;-)
[02:54] <Noldorin> oh right
[02:55] <Noldorin> wgrant, what's the successor to them?
[02:55] <wgrant> Noldorin: Nothing :)
[02:55] <lifeless> Noldorin: all those things already exist
[02:55] <Noldorin> lifeless, no, not to the general user they don't
[02:55] <lifeless> Noldorin: creation is privileged, and once the exist they can be altered.
[02:55] <wgrant> Noldorin: Deletion and creation are restricted to Launchpad staff.
[02:55] <wgrant> The others are indeed possible already.
[02:55] <Noldorin> right... so how do you guys recommend i structure a group of related software projectS?
[02:56] <wgrant> Depends why you want to do that.
[02:56] <wgrant> cjohnston: Thanks.
[02:57] <Noldorin> wgrant, because they're related and mutually complementary ;-)
[02:59] <wgrant> cjohnston: Which chan? I'd like to follow along so I can complete my picture of how Launchpad+SSO integration goes horribly wrong.
[03:04] <Noldorin> so?
[03:04] <wgrant> Noldorin: What do you hope to achieve by grouping them?
[03:05] <cjohnston> wgrant: PM..
[03:05] <cjohnston> wgrant: his issue was different
[03:05] <cjohnston> kind-of
[03:06] <Noldorin> wgrant, a unified semantic description
[03:06] <Noldorin> :-P
[03:06] <wgrant> cjohnston: Ah, k
[03:06] <wgrant> cjohnston: But you're sorting it out?
[03:07] <cjohnston> wgrant: its sorted and fixed
[03:08] <wgrant> cjohnston: Thanks.
[03:09] <wgrant> cjohnston: It just doesn't automatically update after the LP page changes?
[03:09] <Noldorin> wgrant, it's like having Word, Excel, Powerpoint exist but nothing for MS Office.
[03:09] <Noldorin> :/
[03:09] <cjohnston> wgrant: I've also noted on the question, and Steve has confirmed in #linaro that its fixed
[03:10] <lifeless> Noldorin: can you be more specific; it might help us understan
[03:10] <Noldorin> lifeless, i thought my MS Office example was pretty good :-P
[03:12] <lifeless> Noldorin: so, I don't understand the relevance of it. Consider that a datapoint about its efficicy in explaining your point
[03:12] <Noldorin> efficiency?
[03:13] <Noldorin> i thought the analogy was pretty obvious
[03:13] <Noldorin> there exists no way to provide a cohesive structure/grouping to projects on Launchpad
[03:13] <lifeless> Noldorin: there does, for things that are centrally managed, which is project groups.
[03:14] <lifeless> e.g. launchpad-project.
[03:14] <wgrant> cjohnston: Perfect, thanks!
[03:15] <Noldorin> lifeless, yes yes, i shouldn't have said "no way". but not a means that is controllable by the average Launchpad user (software developer)
[03:16] <lifeless> Noldorin: we used to have that, but folk make project groups that didn't make sense, lots of them.
[03:17] <lifeless> so we made it on request, rather than directly under their control
[03:20] <Noldorin> lifeless, okay... so now at least i understand your point vaguely. what was wrong with project groups that didn't make sense though? surely that's the user's loss?
[03:20] <Noldorin> having to make admin-logged requests seems very antiquated
[03:20] <Noldorin> and bureaucratic
[03:20] <Noldorin> not that it's without reason...
[03:20] <Noldorin> that's just how it strikes me in the Internet age ;-)
[03:20] <lifeless> the LP namespace is shared
[03:21] <Noldorin> is that something that may change in the future?
[03:21] <lifeless> well, anything might
[03:21] <lifeless> we have no specific plans
[03:22] <Noldorin> i notice every other project site seems to have user or team-based namespaces
[03:22] <Noldorin> and now i understand why
[03:22] <Noldorin> i suppose
[03:22] <lifeless> so things like say, github, where projects are subordinate to people, have less concerns about namespace abuse
[03:22] <Noldorin> yes, many fewer concerns...zero effectively
[03:23] <lifeless> look how long facebook took to bring out a shared namespace
[03:24] <Noldorin> lifeless, i'll put it this way: i don't see the benefits of a shared namespace
[03:24] <Noldorin> though obviously you've thought about this much more than i have
[03:24] <lifeless> depends on your goals
[03:25] <Noldorin> it depends on Launchpad's/Canonical's goals more so, i think. for my purposes, user/team-based namespaces make the most sense probably
[03:26] <lifeless> the goals of the group making the site ;)
[03:27] <Noldorin> i.e. Canonical in this case ha
[03:27] <Noldorin> case to be more specific? :-)
[03:27] <Noldorin> obviously i'm not going to influence canonical's decision... but i am simply curious
[03:27] <Noldorin> it might persuade me to keep using launchpad...or not.
[03:28] <lifeless> the namespace was set about 6 years go :) or was it 7 ?
[03:28] <Noldorin> the namespace architecture you mean?
[03:28] <lifeless> its been only tweaked since
[03:28] <lifeless> I wouldn't call it an architecture ;)
[03:28] <wgrant> 8 :)
[03:29] <wgrant> Well, nearly 8
[03:29] <wgrant> More than 7
[03:29] <wgrant> However, I still think it makes a lot of sense.
[03:29] <Noldorin> time for an overhaul me thinks :-P
[03:29] <wgrant> eg. I want to file a bug on some project. I know it's on GitHub
[03:29] <wgrant> How do I find which one is the real thing?
[03:29] <Noldorin> i haven't been persuaded there's any advantage to a single global/shared namespace
[03:29] <lifeless> Noldorin: not trying to convince you
[03:30] <Noldorin> hah, you are obdurate.
[03:30] <lifeless> no, just doing 3 other things
[03:30] <Noldorin> i was asking you to all along.
[03:30] <lifeless> and answering your questions
[03:30] <Noldorin> you could have at least told me that :-P
[03:30] <Noldorin> no
[03:30] <Noldorin> you evaded the most direct one
[03:30] <lifeless> which was?
[03:30] <Noldorin> never mind, wgrant is answering them.
[03:30] <lifeless> Noldorin: cause, I've had a half-line typed several times, and you come out with some other thing, which I then answer
[03:30] <Noldorin> wgrant, that's a fair point, but wouldn't one typically find a project's bug tracker by a link in the repo?
[03:31] <Noldorin> or whatever source distribution
[03:31] <Noldorin> i'm only elaborating on existing questions/the same point... it's not like i'm changing topics :-)
[03:31] <lifeless> yes, but there you go again :)
[03:31]  * lifeless starts the line over, again
[03:31] <Noldorin> haha
[03:32] <Noldorin> do keep up ;-)
[03:32] <Noldorin> in seriousness: don't woryr
[03:32] <Noldorin> multitasking isn't easy. i think and talk at a fast pace, so this conversation was always going to be difficult i suppose!
[03:32] <Noldorin> cheers anyway
[03:32] <lifeless> LP wants to make identifying actual projects easy
[03:32] <lifeless> it wants to optimise the process of connecting projects to distributions
[03:33] <lifeless> (and distros to distros)
[03:33] <Noldorin> yeah. so it's very Ubuntu-oriented, naturally
[03:33] <Noldorin> okay, that's a fair point
[03:33] <Noldorin> it means added bureaucracy in some respects still
[03:33] <Noldorin> but yeah
[03:34] <Noldorin> lifeless, when now my question is answered, so thanks.
[03:35] <Noldorin> it leaves me uneasy (i think i prefer github's namespace model)
[03:35] <Noldorin> but yeah... will ponder it over
[03:35] <Noldorin> night, folks.
[03:35] <lifeless> I have mulled over doing a pivot to what github et al do
[03:36] <lifeless> but not deeply enough to put a case around it or even decide if I think its a good idea
[03:36] <lifeless> it would introduce some problems we don't have today
[03:36] <lifeless> (e.g. what would a 'task' be on?
[03:36] <Noldorin> lifeless, well if you want feedback, or just to brainstorm, i always idle here...
[03:36] <lifeless> does the same project name mean the same thing to different users?
[03:37] <Noldorin> but yeah, another time. i need sleep now i'm afraid!
[11:40] <tkennedy> can anyone help with this issue. trying to get branch from launchpad and get this message>
[11:40] <tkennedy> Permission denied (publickey).
[11:40] <tkennedy> ConnectionReset reading response for 'BzrDir.open_2.1', retrying
[11:40] <tkennedy> Permission denied (publickey).
[11:40] <tkennedy> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist.
[11:40] <tkennedy> I know is an issue somewhere with the keys but not sure where.
[11:41] <mgz> tkennedy: start by trying `ssh bazaar.launchpad.net`
[11:41] <mgz> the things you need to check with your ssh setup are:
[11:41] <mgz> * the key on your launchpad profile
[11:42] <mgz> * permissions on your .ssh folder and key files
[11:42] <tkennedy> I get Permission Denied publickey
[11:43] <mgz> * `bzr launchpad-login` equals your launchpad username
[11:43] <tkennedy> I think I may need to regererate my keys
[11:44] <mgz> just check that there's a public key associated with your launchpad account that you have both parts for on your local machine under .ssh first
[11:44] <mgz> if not, you can copy it across from where you first used it or generate and upload a new key
[11:48] <tkennedy> the keys are there under .ssh my lp account has the pub key
[11:49] <tkennedy> doing bzr launchpad-login returns back to the prompt without errors
[11:49] <mgz> and the name printed matches your launchpad user name?
[11:51] <tkennedy> is that command suppose to print out your username? I get nothing back
[11:51] <mgz> it is.
[11:51] <tkennedy> I've checked my bazaar.conf and authorization.conf under .bazaar and the username is whats on launchpad
[11:52] <mgz> pastebin the output of `bzr config`?
[11:57] <tkennedy> http://pastebin.com/WNRAWP1a
[11:59] <mgz> tkennedy: and if you compare the contents of https://launchpad.net/%7Etoddkenn/+sshkeys with ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub they are the same?
[12:01] <tkennedy> hmm I had two .pub files
[12:01] <tkennedy> seems I created one called id_rsa_launchpad.pub and then the default one id_rsa.pub
[12:02] <tkennedy> my bazaar config has it using the id_rsa_launchpad and not the id_rsa one
[12:03] <tkennedy> oh wait
[12:03] <tkennedy> so in .ssh/config for bazaar.launchpad.net I have it using the id_rsa_launchpad keys
[12:04] <tkennedy> comparing keys now
[12:05] <mgz> if you can't do `ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and get past the publickey error to it saying "no shells" you need to double check that conf
[12:06] <tkennedy> launchpad pub key and stored pub keys are the same
[12:08] <mgz> should be something like:
[12:08] <mgz> Host bazaar.launchpad.net User toddkenn IdentityFile ~/.ssh/id_rsa_launchpad
[12:08] <mgz> ...but with newlines
[12:10] <tkennedy> I found the issue
[12:10] <tkennedy> a typo in the config
[12:10] <tkennedy> said id_rsa_launchad instead of launchpad
[12:10] <tkennedy> boy oh boy
[12:11] <mgz> :)
[12:11] <tkennedy> working now
[12:11] <mgz> ace.
[12:11] <tkennedy> thanks for the second set of eyes
[13:01] <jonathanj> i don't suppose there is kind of a concise dashboard type thing in Launchpad that can show me open bugs i'm responsible for, waiting reviews, my pending reviews, etc. all on one page, is there?
[13:04] <czajkowski> jonathanj: you can go to bugs.launchpad.net/~usernick and see all the bugs you're involved in
[13:04] <czajkowski> but not the stuff you're looking for no
[13:05] <mgz> nope, but people have written various custom views into launchpad using the api
[13:06] <jonathanj> i don't suppose any of those things are some kind of web site i can use?
[13:06] <mgz> and a couple of different pages probably cover the info you want code.launchpad.net/~USER/+activereviews and a bug search would do for your examples
[13:09] <jonathanj> unfortunately code/~/+activereviews doesn't show me reviews i *could* do (e.g. the case where someone proposed a branch but it has not been reviewed yet)
[13:12] <czajkowski> mgz: jam jelmer vila could one of you look at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/198668  please
[13:13] <jelmer> czajkowski: looking
[13:14] <jonathanj> is the dashboard/overview thing something that is on a relatively short roadmap for LP?
[13:14] <czajkowski> jelmer: cheers
[13:14] <mgz> jelmer: you're not working today though...
[13:15] <jelmer> mgz: I am
[13:16] <jelmer> did it say somewhere I wasn't?
[13:16] <mgz> jonathanj: no, but there are ways to get stuff you want implemented in launchpad done yourself
[13:16] <mgz> jelmer: as in, it's a holiday today in nl, no? or you're doing a swap day for the end of last week?
[13:16] <jelmer> mgz: yep, I'm swapping
[13:17]  * mgz kills processes on jelmer
[13:18] <jelmer> :)
[13:19] <czajkowski> lol
[13:19] <czajkowski> tis ok ye can have all the fun ye want next monday &tuesday blue squad I'll be off :)
[13:20] <jelmer> that's okay, I'll be off then too :)
[13:20] <mgz> ich auch
[13:20] <czajkowski> so will it just be jam ?
[13:22] <mgz> it's okay, he's super jam. also, vila should be around I think.
[13:22] <jelmer> czajkowski: jam und Vincent
[13:23] <czajkowski> ah sorted so
[18:38] <wilx> Hi.
[18:38] <wilx> I am kinda confused with how PPAs are supposed to be made.
[18:39] <wilx> Is there any kind of prototype PPA for autoconf/automake based libraries?
[18:53] <maxb> wilx: I think you're confusing terminology. Perhaps you mean "package that I intend to upload to a PPA" when you're saying "PPA"
[18:54] <maxb> A PPA is an archive/repository of packages on Launchpad. It doesn't really make any sense to have a prototype PPA
[19:21] <wilx> Oh.
[19:21] <wilx> maxb: You are likely right.
[19:21] <wilx> maxb: I probably mean the control file and stuff like that...I guess I should ask that in ##debian or ##ubuntu/
[19:21] <wilx> ?
[19:22] <maxb> You may find #ubuntu-packaging best for this
[19:23] <wilx> Ok.
[20:22] <ahasenack> hi guys, I'm getting timeout oopses (OOPS-c5233e4383a11349b30fbcb259b82911) when tring to file a bug against landscape-client (https://launchpad.net/landscape-client/+filebug)
[20:36] <lifeless> lets see
[20:36] <lifeless> ahasenack: (you can click on that link yourself, its open to ~canonical)
[20:37] <lifeless> ahasenack: looks like an FTI timeout
[20:37] <lifeless> ahasenack: you could try again, second time the index should be hotter
[20:44] <ahasenack> lifeless: worked now, thanks
[20:44] <ahasenack> took about 4 attempts, though
[20:50] <geser> FTI = Faster Than Index?
[20:57] <lifeless> geser: full text index
[21:10] <lifeless> wgrant: ^ still expected ?
[21:31] <lifeless> wgrant: query is 2.6 on wildcherry atm
[21:31] <lifeless> wgrant: almost all of it in   ->  Bitmap Index Scan on bugtaskflat__fti__idx  (cost=0.00..76.16 rows=879 width=0) (actual time=2654.648..2654.648 rows=10546 loops=1)
[21:31] <lifeless>                            Index Cond: ((bugtaskflat.fti)::tsvector @@ '( ( ( ''error'' & ''fix'' & ''lintian'' & ''warn'' | ''fix'' & ''lintian'' & ''warn'' ) | ''error'' & ''lintian'' & ''warn'' ) | ''error'' & ''fix'' & ''warn'' ) | ''error'' & ''fix'' & ''lintian'''::tsquery)
[21:31] <lifeless>                            Buffers: shared hit=3 read=39406
[23:40] <wgrant> lifeless: That number of FTI queries will probably be helped by GIN
[23:41] <lifeless> cool
[23:41] <lifeless> so, can has?
[23:43] <wgrant> lifeless: buildbot isn't 9.1 yet, AIUI
[23:43] <lifeless> oh right
[23:43] <lifeless> mumble mumble monkeypatch mumble


[00:00] <TJ-> JFox762: I'm the opposite; been using S3 suspend for years on multiple laptops without a problem
[00:00] <TJ-> JFox762: oh, well that's due to some hardware not being disabled from sending Wakes - likely a USB device
[00:01] <TJ-> JFox762: you might find this helps that case a little: http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[00:01] <johannes> I tried, but it becomes more and more, and the more I add the more it switches between "Depends: python3 (>= 3.6~) but 3.5.1-3 is installed" and "Depends: python3 (< 3.6) but 3.6.5-3ubuntu1 is to be installed"
[00:01] <JFox762> I also have bluetooth
[00:03] <JFox762> I disabled "Wakeonlan" via Bios
[00:04] <LuMint> hi
[00:04] <LuMint> how do I install dpkg manually?
[00:04] <LuMint> it's broken :(
[00:05] <gambl0re> the clock is not showing in the panel. whenever i open the Clock settings and set the time it shows up but when i close the Clock window, the clock will dissapear again. how do i make it so that it stays?
[00:08] <TJ-> johannes: For many of those packages it looks like the underlying issue is python3 hasn't been installed
[00:09] <JFox762> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2zDfhvHKqy/
[00:09] <m0rd3cai> Has anyone run into an issue with openssh-server removing .ssh/config file and failing to start the daemon?
[00:09] <JFox762> TJ-: that is how my laptop is configured to function
[00:09] <m0rd3cai> i get generic fail codes so theyre not too helpful
[00:10] <JFox762> also, even when I *did* have suspend working OK... it still consumed a substantial amount of battery life while in suspend mode...
[00:10] <JFox762> anywhere from 25 to 50%  would be lost over a 24 hr period IIRC
[00:11] <johannes> TJ-: I'm not at Qt ... different stuff depends on Qt stuff, all qt stuff depends on qtbase-abi-5-5-1, and "Package qtbase-abi-5-5-1 is a virtual package provided by: libqt5core5a 5.5.1+dfsg-16ubuntu7.5 [Not candidate version]"
[00:12] <TJ-> johannes: try "sudo apt install python3.6-minimal"
[00:12] <friendlyGoat> hey i was wondering: since you can make alternate sessions to boot into on xubuntu, i was wondering if there was a way i could make a second session that was just the command line interface
[00:12] <johannes> TJ-: no help https://pastebin.com/DeAYci8q
[00:13] <TJ-> JFox762: that sounds like a problem another user had about a year ago, it was being chased down as a kernel bug for a long time. I don't know if it was resolved
[00:13] <TJ-> johannes: oh, that is better news "python3.6-minimal is already the newest version (3.6.6-1~18.04)"
[00:13] <JFox762> Yeah... Suspend seems to just be unreiable at best
[00:13] <JFox762> Especially pernicious since if I close the lid... with handlelidswitch=suspend
[00:13] <johannes> oh I mssed that line in all the output!
[00:14] <JFox762> you can't really tell if the laptop is suspended or not
[00:14] <JFox762> so you put it away into your backpack... not knowing the laptop is still "on"
[00:14] <johannes> python3.6 --version    Python 3.6.6   so that works
[00:14] <JFox762> and kills the battery in a short period of time... only to later pull out your laptop to a 0% battery, and data loss
[00:14] <JFox762> which I'm careful to save any important data before shutting hte lid... but still
[00:18] <TJ-> johannes: I wonder if you can build on that to correct the python 3.6 situation
[00:19] <johannes> dpkg -l python\* | grep 16.04 | wc -l     -> 23
[00:19] <johannes> so at least 23 python packages not updated
[00:20] <johannes> includng ii  python3.5                           3.5.2-2ubuntu0~16.04.4    and ii  python3.5-minimal                   3.5.2-2ubuntu0~16.04.4
[00:20] <johannes> wouldn't those be replaced by 3.6?
[00:21] <johannes> I wonder if i break more if i uninstall python 3.5
[00:22] <m0rd3cai> has anyone seen a recent openssh-server update recently that broke the service?
[00:22] <Bashing-om> johannes: confirmed: " sysop@x1804mini:~$ dpkg -l python3.5 >> dpkg-query: no packages found matching python3.5 " .
[00:26] <johannes> hrm, half the system depends on python 3.5, so I can't uninstall it without breaking everything, but at the same time if I try to update the meta package "python3" and other python stuff this becomes an endless chain as well ...
[00:29] <johannes> and I end with qt again ...
[00:30] <malwar3hun73r> i'm having an issue with openvpn on ubuntu 18.04 where after i connect to a vpn through gnome, i no longer have DNS
[00:30] <johannes> Package qtbase-abi-5-5-1 is a virtual package provided by:
[00:30] <johannes>   libqt5core5a 5.5.1+dfsg-16ubuntu7.5 [Not candidate version]
[00:30] <TJ-> johannes: python3.5 is installed alongside python3.6
[00:31] <malwar3hun73r> in reading up on this, it seems that 18 no longer uses resolvconf and uses systemd-resolved instead
[00:31] <malwar3hun73r> however, knowing that has not led me to a path of being able to fix the DNS issue
[00:34] <johannes> TJ-: yeah, but xenial's 3.5 with xenial's dependants, which also depend on xenial's gtk and xenial's qt
[00:35] <malwar3hun73r> any suggestions?
[00:37] <TJ-> johannes: my point was you sohuld be able to install the python3.6 libraries alongside without removing any 3.5
[00:37] <johannes> TJ-: yea, but I was trying to update "python3" the virtual package
[00:37] <johannes> but here is my attempt to go down he Qt chain: https://pastebin.com/je2DP9tk
[00:37] <TJ-> malwar3hun73r: you're configuring the VPN via network-manager's connection editor (via the network icon > Edit Connections... ) ?
[00:38] <malwar3hun73r> TJ-, correct
[00:38] <malwar3hun73r> well, i first imported a conf file, but the conf file was not 100% correct so i made a few changes
[00:39] <johannes> that gives me an actual "no candidate" error instead of mixed versions as all the other stuff, which gives me the feeling this is closer to the root cause
[00:39] <malwar3hun73r> for what it's worth, i've used these config files and the same steps on 16.04 for years with no issue
[00:39] <TJ-> johannes: there's your problem! "nautilus : Depends: libexempi3 (>= 2.4.0) but 2.2.2-2ubuntu0.1 is to be installed" -- where is it getting 2.2.2-2ubuntu0.1 from? that isn't in 18.04 archive
[00:39] <malwar3hun73r> just installed 18.04 today (fresh install) and am experiencing the issues
[00:39] <johannes> TJ-: any hint how i figure that out?
[00:40] <TJ-> johannes: start with "apt-cache policy libexempi3" -- see where it is going to come from
[00:40] <TJ-> malwar3hun73r: but is there a connection configured in network-manager?
[00:40] <johannes> 2.4.5-2 500    500 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic/main amd64 Package
[00:41] <malwar3hun73r> TJ-, yes, and i've manually specified the DNS servers in the config file
[00:41] <malwar3hun73r> TJ-, the only option i have found is this: https://torguard.net/forums/index.php?/topic/1326-fix-dns-leaks-gnome-network-manager/
[00:41] <malwar3hun73r> TJ-, specifically, setting dns=default and disabling systemd-resolved (the second answer)
[00:41] <TJ-> malwar3hun73r: what does "systemd-resolve --status " grep 'DNS Servers' " report?
[00:42] <malwar3hun73r> seems like a work-around and i'd rather make this work as intended
[00:42] <TJ-> if you disable systemd-resolved how is the system going to resolve?
[00:42] <malwar3hun73r> TJ-, while connected or disconnected from VPN?
[00:42] <TJ-> malwar3hun73r: whilst connected to the VPN, if that is when you lose DNS resolving
[00:42] <malwar3hun73r> TJ-, not sure, but those steps work for me and DNS works while connected to VPN
[00:43] <malwar3hun73r> ok, one second, let me undo those changes...
[00:44] <JFox762> how do i remove a directory and its contents?
[00:45] <Bashing-om> JFox762: With great care and sure you know what you are doing ' rm -R <directory> ' .
[00:46] <TJ-> JFox762: "rm -r /path/to/dir"
[00:46] <JFox762> i know not to do that with rm -rf /
[00:46] <JFox762> lol
[00:46] <malwar3hun73r> TJ-, that command reports two DNS servers, the correct external and correct internal
[00:47] <malwar3hun73r> however, i just tried to nslookup www.google.com and received
[00:47] <malwar3hun73r> ";; connection timed out; no servers could be reached"
[00:47] <TJ-> malwar3hun73r: try "systemd-resolve www.google.com"
[00:47] <JFox762> i needed to completely delete some gnome-extensions that have become corrupted
[00:47] <JFox762> Im trying to install a 2nd Timezone clock on my topbar...
[00:49] <JFox762> I keep getting "Error" when I install a Gnome Extension for "Panel World Clock
[00:49] <malwar3hun73r> TJ-, the command has been hanging for 2 minutes now...
[00:50] <malwar3hun73r> TJ-, i have some FW rules in place, but i can ping the DNS servers just fine and there are not port-based filters so port 53 is allowed
[00:50] <malwar3hun73r> TJ-, ok, after 3 minutes i got "www.google.com: resolve call failed: All attempts to contact name servers or networks failed"
[00:52] <malwar3hun73r> TJ-, this is 5 months old, but do you think this could be the issue
[00:52] <JFox762> does anyone know of a good way to install a 2nd timezone time to the topbar?
[00:52] <malwar3hun73r> TJ-, https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/dns-leaking-with-systemd-resolved-and-openvpn/16709
[00:55] <urgodfather> is anyone around?
[00:59] <JFox762> nevermind
[00:59] <JFox762> figured it out
[00:59] <urgodfather> thats always good :)
[01:08] <JFox762> Does anyone know what chatroom i should go to for help with the Steam Proton compatability tool?
[01:08] <JFox762> Im trying to get a game to work with Proton
[01:09] <urgodfather> is it a steam issue or an ubuntu issue?
[01:11] <JFox762> Im not sure
[01:11] <urgodfather> whats the issue?
[01:12] <JFox762> im trying to play Niteteam 4..
[01:12] <urgodfather> and....
[01:12] <JFox762> but it comes up with a dialogue error
[01:12] <urgodfather> do you have steam installed?
[01:12] <urgodfather> whats the error
[01:13] <JFox762> https://pastebin.com/zHUqjsp8
[01:13] <JFox762> That
[01:13] <urgodfather> ok so do you have dx11 enabled?
[01:13] <JFox762> i have no idea
[01:13] <johannes> so, my python dependencies, lead me via python3-dbus.mainloop.qt into Qt, and Qt leads me to "libdouble-conversion1 : Breaks: libdouble-conversion1v5 but 2.0.1-3ubuntu2 is to be installed" vs. "libdouble-conversion1v5 : Conflicts: libdouble-conversion1 but 2.0.1-4ubuntu1 is to be installed" where libdouble-conversion1v5 seems to be the old one
[01:13] <JFox762> how do i check?
[01:13] <urgodfather> what kind of gfx card do you have?
[01:14] <JFox762> none
[01:14] <JFox762> it is an intel hd4000
[01:14] <urgodfather> ah
[01:14] <urgodfather> what version of ubuntu?
[01:16] <urgodfather> run this in terminal                     sudo lshw|less
[01:16] <urgodfather> look for display and see what it says
[01:18] <JFox762> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bksJr23tpz/
[01:20] <Bashing-om> !info libdouble-conversion1v5 bionic
[01:20] <Seylerius> Trying to configure ndiswrapper for a crappy USB wifi card. The driver seems to be installed, but it's not working. Here's the dmesg output: https://bpaste.net/show/5f60707e25f5
[01:20] <JFox762> urgodfather:
[01:22] <Bashing-om> johannes: ^ so, what shows ' apt depends libdouble-conversion1v5 ; apt rdepends libdouble-conversion1v5 ' . See if they can safely be removed ?
[01:22] <urgodfather> do this... uname -r
[01:23] <johannes> Bashing-om: some qt core libs depend on it ... but I thnk I know what I acually broke myself ... some years back I experimented with compiler toolchains and c++ runtimes and that seems to fire back on me now, messing with those core libs is never good :-D
[01:23] <urgodfather> seylerius, why use ndiswrapper? you would be much happier using a linux compatible wifi card. they are less than 10 buck on amazon
[01:24] <Bashing-om> johannes: Good progress made ; Kudoes :)
[01:24] <johannes> the question is how i fix it .. :-)
[01:25] <johannes> and what exactly is broken
[01:25] <urgodfather> just saying, thats all :) its a PITA when it comes back to haunt you.
[01:25] <Seylerius> urgodfather: This is what was already on hand. And I don't have $10 to spare at the moment. I'm definitely in favor of replacing the thing, but I'm stuck with what's available until I get a chance to do so.
[01:25] <JFox762> urgodfather: did you check out my pastebin?
[01:25] <urgodfather> and usb is the only option?
[01:25] <johannes> I assume I installes stuff from ubuntu-toolchain-r-ubuntu-test-xenial
[01:26] <Seylerius> urgodfather: Yep.
[01:26] <urgodfather> jfox run the uname -r command
[01:26] <urgodfather> seylerius, yikes. got an old router?
[01:26] <Seylerius> Nope.
[01:26] <Seylerius> Operating on an extremely limited stockpile at the moment.
[01:27] <Seylerius> Also, onboard wired NIC is shot.
[01:27] <Seylerius> (well, I'm 85% sure of that)
[01:27] <urgodfather> why so?
[01:27] <urgodfather> what makes you suspect it?
[01:27] <d1rewolf> can someone tell me how to inspect current dns servers in 18.04.1? resolvectl seems to be missing
[01:28] <Bashing-om> johannes: "what exactly is broken" maybe ' sudo dpkg -C ' can tell ?
[01:30] <urgodfather> Bashing-om can i pm?
[01:30] <johannes> arg, 3:30am already ... I guess I go to sleep, and hope for a Fairy ... otherwise reinstall might be faster :-)
[01:31] <Bashing-om> urgodfather: Support related best kept in channel - I am not the sharpest tool in this toolbox :P
[01:31] <johannes> dpkg -C just brings me back on top of the dependency chain with python, hud and nautilus
[01:31] <Bashing-om> d1rewolf: ' sudo systemd-resolve --status ' lead ya in the right direction ?
[01:32] <d1rewolf> Bashing-om: that's it. thank you
[01:32] <urgodfather> nah not support related
[01:32] <JFox762> urgodfather:
[01:32] <JFox762> ?
[01:33] <JFox762> urgodfather: did you check out my pastebin
[01:33] <Seylerius> urgodfather: I suspect this because it detects the card, but the card never reacts to a cable, nor does the card go up, even with a static IP.
[01:33] <urgodfather> jfox762, for the uname -r    ?
[01:33] <JFox762> ... no
[01:34] <urgodfather> do the uname -r please
[01:34] <JFox762> thatwas for the sudo lshw|less
[01:34] <urgodfather> i saw that
[01:34] <d1rewolf> can someone point me to how to use network manager instead of netplan on 18.04?
[01:34] <JFox762> 4.15.0-36-generic
[01:35] <JFox762> urgodfather: uname -r          4.15.0-36-generic
[01:36] <urgodfather> yep i see it, little out of date but not really bad
[01:36] <JFox762> what is out of date?
[01:36] <JFox762> my kernel?
[01:36] <Bashing-om> d1rewolf: No getting awy from netplan ..in one of 2 forms . -server is expected to use systemd-networkd, and it's configured via netplan.
[01:37] <urgodfather> yes, they are up to 4.18 stable now if i remember correctly
[01:37] <JFox762> do you update the kernel by just doing sudo apt update/upgrade?
[01:37] <d1rewolf> Bashing-om: i'm on a desktop tho...any way there?
[01:37] <JFox762> because... otherwise I have no idea how to update the kernel
[01:37] <d1rewolf> want to use nm-tray etc, from i3
[01:37] <urgodfather> nah
[01:38] <urgodfather> thats just regular updates
[01:38] <JFox762> are you suppoed to update your kernel?
[01:38] <JFox762> on a regular basis?
[01:39] <LuMint> how do I install dpkg manually?
[01:39] <LuMint> what files should I copy?
[01:39] <urgodfather> not always
[01:39] <urgodfather> depends on the reason, plus you have to consider compatibility
[01:40] <urgodfather> risk vs reward
[01:40] <JFox762> ahh
[01:40] <JFox762> so ...
[01:40] <Bashing-om> d1rewolf: Desktop uses netplan to configure NetworkManager. Use the GUI to configure .
[01:40] <JFox762> regarding the Dx11
[01:41] <JFox762> Proton compatability tool in Steam
[01:41] <JFox762> how do i know if DirectX 11 is installed?
[01:41] <d1rewolf> Bashing-om: hmmm...k. I'm running i3. any idea what that gui would be called?
[01:41] <LuMint> how do I install dpkg manually?
[01:41] <LuMint> what files should I copy?
[01:41] <d1rewolf> and I presume, if I had to, I could use nmcli?
[01:41] <d1rewolf> LuMint: dpkg -i file
[01:42] <LuMint> d1rewolf: http://dpaste.com/0W4K4BX
[01:42] <LuMint> doesnt work
[01:42] <urgodfather> well heres the deal, you have an hd4000. theres 2 ways to approach it. you can either try to upgrade your kernel or you can try to install opensource drivers for it.
[01:42] <Bashing-om> d1rewolf: Not used i3 .. but I still expect there to be an icon in some task bar "network" .
[01:42] <d1rewolf> LuMint: you need to specify the path to the file
[01:42] <d1rewolf> full path
[01:43] <urgodfather> up to you. doing a kernel upgrade is usually safer b/c you can always boot into the older kernel if it doesnt work
[01:43] <d1rewolf> Bashing-om: yeah....k. think i need to get nm-tray installed. thx
[01:43] <JFox762> opensource drivers
[01:43] <JFox762> oooohhh
[01:43] <JFox762> nevermind
[01:43] <LuMint> d1rewolf: doesn't work :( http://dpaste.com/2BZXKA1
[01:43] <JFox762> kernel then?
[01:44] <gambl0re> the clock is not showing in the panel. whenever i open the Clock settings and set the time it shows up but when i close the Clock window, the clock will dissapear again. how do i make it so that it stays?
[01:44] <d1rewolf> LuMint: no clue
[01:44] <LuMint> d1rewolf: see, i have to unpack and install it *manually(
[01:44] <LuMint> like, manually manually
[01:45] <JFox762> how do install a newest kernel?
[01:45] <urgodfather> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds
[01:45] <LuMint> thats what I asked for.
[01:45] <LuMint> i got a working dpkg install in a backup
[01:45] <LuMint> it's an IMG i can mount as loop device.
[01:46] <LuMint> the question is only, what do i have to copy
[01:49] <JFox762> urgodfather:
[01:49] <Bashing-om> JFox762: Latest updates ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade ' .
[01:49] <JFox762> are kernel files huge?
[01:49] <JFox762> im on a slow connection
[01:49] <JFox762> 500kbps
[01:50] <JFox762> oooofff
[01:50] <JFox762> 125MB!
[01:50] <JFox762> gonna be slow on a 500kbps
[01:51] <JFox762> 30 mins ugh
[01:51] <Bashing-om> JFox762: They are now .. yes .. 235 MB .. last I checked .
[01:51] <JFox762> Im at work, and I have to use my wifi hotspot off my phone
[01:51] <JFox762> and I'm throttled since I'm over my 15GB/mo allowance before you get throttled down
[01:52] <JFox762> I wish there was a way to fool my ISP, into thinking that the data was being called from my phone vs my laptop
[01:52] <JFox762> becausee Verizon doesn't necessarily throttle the phone speeds
[01:52] <JFox762> just the hotspot speeds, if the hotspot went over 15gbs
[01:53] <JFox762> if you go over 22gbs, on the phone's data... they throttle "as needed"
[01:53] <JFox762> anything over 15gb on the hotspot... ets absolutely throttled to basically 3G speeds
[01:53] <urgodfather> 15 gb is a lot
[01:53] <JFox762> lol not for my uses
[01:54] <JFox762> My job is ... very boring
[01:54] <urgodfather> lol
[01:54] <JFox762> so I watch a lot of netflix while at work
[01:54] <urgodfather> thats why
[01:54] <JFox762> yes
[01:54] <JFox762> i know lol
[01:55] <urgodfather> use your phone to watch it. not your computer. also, consider a different way such as plex where you can download the video to your phone for offline use.
[01:55] <JFox762> I could use transmission to download stuff
[01:55] <urgodfather> you dont have wifi at work?
[01:55] <RoscoePColtrane> and what does any of that have to do with a ubuntu issue?
[01:55] <JFox762> no
[01:55] <JFox762> they have wifi here
[01:56] <urgodfather> RoscoePColtrane, your right
[01:56] <JFox762> but it is behind a login
[01:56] <JFox762> my ISP has a lot of public wifi hotspots...
[01:56] <JFox762> and I used to be able to access them
[01:57] <JFox762> with my account ID and password... but recently they changed it so that only people with a much higher premium package can get it
[01:57] <JFox762> can access it *
[01:57] <urgodfather> well, jfox762 like i suggested you can either try a kernel upgrade or opensource variant of the intel drivers. both have records of resolving the issue
[01:57] <JFox762> which is really cheap on their part
[01:57] <JFox762> if I use an open source variant of the intel driver
[01:58] <JFox762> can it screw up my system?
[01:59] <urgodfather> theres always a possibliity. generally, no.. but your system isnt the same as mine, or as anyone elses.
[01:59] <Bashing-om> JFox762: Intel graphics are in the kernel and are open source . bleeding edge for some cards on a PPA .
[02:04] <urgodfather> jfox762 if you would rather try just gfx, here https://www.techzim.co.zw/2017/06/tuning-intel-graphics-card-ubuntu-16-04/
[02:04] <urgodfather> on that note im out
[02:10] <JFox762> :(
[02:13] <eelstrebor> network manager doesn't show any cipher keys (i.e. AES-256-CBC) for openvpn - what could cause this?
[02:23] <eelstrebor> i must have messed something up - openssl is installed and openssl --cipher shows keys but nothing in the networkmanager openvpn dropdown box
[02:24] <eelstrebor> i tried a re-install of all the networkmanager and openssl packages but still no-joy
[02:26] <eelstrebor> i even tried a total package reinstall that took a couple of hours - next stop, a fresh install - that will take a few hours to get a working server again
[02:27] <eelstrebor> unless someone has a solution - no hits on a web search for this issue
[02:27] <JFox762> what is a kernel freeze?
[02:29] <TJ-> eelstrebor: which Ubuntu versions? are you using network-manager-openvpn-gnome ?
[02:32] <Tecan> is ubuntu going to join the OIN patent system to make linux more legal ?
[02:33] <eelstrebor> TJ-, bionic and network-manager-openvpn-gnome
[02:34] <JFox762> clear
[02:34] <JFox762> oops
[02:37] <JFox762> hey
[02:37] <JFox762> so ...
[02:38] <JFox762> How do I install drivers for Intel HD4000
[02:39] <TJ-> JFox762: already installed
[02:41] <JFox762> Oh
[02:41] <JFox762> so how do I get DX11 on linux?
[02:42] <JFox762> Im trying to get a game to run via Proton Compatability tool on Steam
[02:42] <JFox762> and it comes up with this error message.
[02:43] <JFox762> https://pastebin.com/sWcrvYV8
[02:46] <coz_> JFox762,  I believe it can be installed via wine-staging, not sure, but read here    https://www.reddit.com/r/wine_gaming/comments/6ysnua/wine_staging_216_makes_dx11_games_work/
[02:46] <JFox762> coz_: do you know if it will implement with Proton/Steam?
[02:47] <coz_> JFox762,  I honestly don't however
[02:47] <coz_> JFox762, read that post, it may lead to other posts
[02:48] <coz_> JFox762, google dirctx 11 via wine staging steam
[02:48] <coz_> direct
[02:48] <JFox762> coz_:
[02:48] <JFox762> do you know what "run options" i should have?
[02:49] <JFox762> err i mean launch options
[02:49] <coz_> JFox762, again, I don't, I rarely use wine at all
[02:49] <JFox762> this isnt wine
[02:49] <JFox762> it is the Proton COmpatability tool that Steam now includes inside of steam
[02:50] <JFox762> basically it is like wine running in the background
[02:50] <JFox762> of steam
[02:50] <coz_> JFox762, no, but dirextx11 i believe mut be installed via wine
[02:50] <coz_> JFox762, again, I don't use wine or steam , hold on a minute
[02:51] <coz_> JFox762, apparently thhe #steam channel is invite only
[02:51] <coz_> ?(
[02:52] <JFox762> ????
[02:52] <JFox762> WHY?
[02:52] <JFox762> lol
[02:53] <coz_> JFox762, yeah :(  annoying
[02:53] <Colombo> Hi, anyone knows why upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04 wants to remove Evolution and other software?
[02:54] <coz_> Colombo, I would assume new versions, or replacement apps
[02:54] <RoscoePColtrane> software applications change when upgrading
[02:55] <Colombo> hmpf, is there way to not do it?
[02:55] <RoscoePColtrane> that's normal and nothing to be concerned about
[02:55] <Colombo> well, I like my apps and settings.
[02:56] <Colombo> Is there a way to keep them?
[02:57] <coz_> Colombo, mmm not that I am aware of off hand.. and some may not work on the upgraded OS
[02:57] <coz_> even if possible
[02:57] <RoscoePColtrane> besides the obvious way to keep them?
[02:57] <Colombo> coz_: thanks, I guess that i will stay on 18.04 then:/ until I really need to.
[02:58] <Colombo> RoscoePColtrane: what is the "obvious way to keep them"?
[03:18] <JFox762> how do i know if a given PPA is "safe"
[03:18] <JFox762> I.E. not created by a ... malicious person
[03:22] <JFox762> https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/wiki/Requirements
[03:22] <JFox762> I'm following these instructions
[03:22] <JFox762> it tells me to use a certain PPA
[03:22] <JFox762> I assume i should trust it, since that Githubpage was create dby Valve
[03:22] <Bashing-om> JFox762: Bottom line is that you don't . What reputation does the maintainer hold ?
[03:23] <JFox762> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:paulo-miguel-dias/pkppa
[03:23] <JFox762> That particular ppa
[03:23] <JFox762> was listed on the page as a recommended ppa to add
[03:23] <Bashing-om> !ppa | JFox762
[03:24] <JFox762> brb
[03:30] <JFox762> back
[03:30] <JFox762> what is the casual ubuntu channel?
[03:31] <PhoenyxCullen> !casual
[03:31] <PhoenyxCullen> h mm
[03:32] <Bashing-om> JFox762: #ubuntu-offtopic .
[03:43] <JFox762> i got it to work now!
[03:43] <JFox762> i just didnt have mesa drivers installed
[05:23] <lapion> Hello
[05:26] <lapion> I have a laptop that I have connected the my network through the ethernet port, I do not have the wifi connected, however my modem does see the wifi port, however the router seems to see the wifi card connected "through the ethernet port" does anyone have an idea how this can be ?
[06:10] <Denethr> Hi, I just upgraded from 16.04 to 18.04.1 and the login fails after i enter my password (the screen goes black one second, then it goes back to the login screen)
[06:11] <Denethr> the only way I can get it to work is to select "Ubuntu on wayland"
[06:11] <Denethr> any idea what can be the issue?
[06:31] <Triffid_Hunter> Denethr: your session is crashing for some reason. see ~/.xsession-errors
[06:35] <Denethr> Triffid_Hunter, thanks. this is the file: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/c6BGngY2qt/
[06:36] <Denethr> I can try to google those messages, but do you by chance see anything obvious?
[06:43] <Denethr> I'm suspecting some issue with the nvidia drivers; i'll try to reinstall them
[06:48] <Denethr_> seems to work after puring all the nvidia packages (there were quite a few in broken state...)
[06:52] <Denethr> yep everything is working fine now, thanks
[07:13] <Denethr> removing the right click by default on the trackpad is super confusing
[07:35] <leeyaa> hello
[07:36] <leeyaa> i am trying to install a network hp 2300d printer on ubuntu bionic. so far nothing worked, even official drivers from hp. is there anything special i need to do, so i can make it work?
[07:36] <leeyaa> works fine on xenial
[07:36] <leeyaa> and on trusty
[07:42] <davidka> woot - the jdk11 package seems to actually be 10!
[07:42] <davidka> Package: openjdk-11-jdk
[07:42] <davidka> Architecture: amd64
[07:42] <davidka> Version: 10.0.1+10-3ubuntu1
[07:43] <davidka> openjdk version "10.0.2" 2018-07-17
[07:56] <kbroulik> hi, I wanted to report a bug report against thunderbird on launchpad but whenever I submit it gives me a "timeout error" and because this thing has to be super special and use ajax for no particular reason going back doesnt restore my input, so I lost an elaborate bug report twice to it
[07:58] <kbroulik> is this a known service down time or what's going on?
[08:01] <ducasse> kbroulik: try #launchpad
[08:01] <kbroulik> thanks, will do
[08:03] <cyanide> does dropbox for linux work as well as it works on windows/macos?
[08:03] <cyanide> i've used it on both oses, just not linux. (ive used it with rclone on linux in the past)
[08:03] <cyanide> but i need always-on sync feature of dropbox, not periodic like with rclone
[08:04] <mwsb> I use dropbox on ubuntu, seems to work well. I've never used it on either windows or macos, so I don't know how it compares.
[08:04] <cyanide> @mwsb, so it has the 'tick' icon on every synced file, and uploads any changes you made to other devices instantly?
[08:05] <cyanide> that's pretty much what i'm curious about
[08:06] <mwsb> I don't know what the "tick" icon is, but it seems to update instantly
[08:06] <mwsb> I have an R workshop with a bunch of people, and when I make changes to a file, the changes come across straight away for the other people involved.
[08:11] <cyanide> mwsb, thanks. just what i wanted to hear.
[08:11] <avu> cyanide: the filemanager integration (the "tick icon") depends on the filemanager you use, it works in nautilus at least
[08:12] <cyanide> hmm, guess so. never thought of that.
[08:14] <cyanide> well, so apart from missing out on autocad/inventor, i'm pretty much free to move back to linux. weee
[08:30] <Xard> seems like nautilus type search is very crash happy if you try to search outside home on 18.04
[08:31] <mjkr> I just read "Ubuntu 13.04 added x32 support." @ https://sites.google.com/site/x32abi/ . I would like to know whether Ubuntu offers a full x32-only build?
[08:31] <nisa> Hi. I need help: how to grow a partition to its max. size? I don't want to grow the filesystem, i want to grow the partition! I'm running Ubuntu Server 18.04.1 LTS and I only have a terminal. So i can't use gparted.
[08:31] <mjkr> without amd64/ix86 support at all, just the x32 abi
[08:44] <nisa> Problem solved: sudo growpart /dev/sda 2#
[08:59] <illuminaughtyy> anyone know how you can get command line stuff to show while my computer is booting up?
[08:59] <illuminaughtyy> like dmesg but just showing what's happening
[09:00] <illuminaughtyy> not necessarily to log, just for the a e s t h e t i c
[09:02] <illuminaughtyy> nevermind, it's called verbose mode, I just forgot, I think I figured it out.
[09:02] <cim209> illuminaughtyy, you'd remove quiet splash from boot parameter
[09:17] <zetheroo> how to know which config is currently being used by openvpn?
[09:18] <EriC^^> zetheroo: seems it uses /etc/openvpn/server.conf or client.conf
[09:18] <EriC^^> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/openvpn.html.en
[09:19] <zetheroo> EriC^^: yes, but that default directory is empty and yet there is a vpn connection active (tun0)
[09:21] <JimBuntu> zetheroo, maybe check for the /etc/openvpn/server.conf file
[09:21] <JimBuntu> Oh! I see EriC^^  suggested this already
[09:22] <JimBuntu> You could check the process list... something like ps aux | grep -i openvpn
[09:23] <zetheroo> JimBuntu: perfect solution - found the process with the config in the command. Thanks!
[09:23] <JimBuntu> yw
[09:31] <ramsub07> hello. I have ssh access to two servers, A and B. But only one of them could be tunneled from outside(A). the other (B) could only be accessed from A. I am running my code on server B, and would like to use sublime to edit code on server B from my local machine. How do i go about doing that?
[09:32] <Fudge> ssh can liste to multiple ports in /etc/sshd_config search for port 22 and duplicate the entry for another port like 1022
[09:36] <illuminaughtyy> okay, thanks cim209
[09:41] <ramsub07> hello. I have ssh access to two servers, A and B. But only one of them could be tunneled from outside(A). the other (B) could only be accessed from A. I am running my code on server B, and would like to use sublime to edit code on server B from my local machine. How do i go about doing that?
[09:42] <vlt> ramsub07: Ignoring the fact that I'd rather use a local code repository to edit and deploy after testing ... In my ~/.ssh/config I have a "host B" with a line "ProxyCommand ssh A nc -w 1 B 22". Then I can just `ssh B` or `sshfs B`. In newer ssh versions there's a -J option.
[09:43] <ramsub07> vlt: you mean you'd rather use git?
[09:44] <ramsub07> vlt: is there anyway I could browse those files on my nautilus ?
[09:45] <vlt> ramsub07: I wouldn't edit code on the remote server but that was not your question.
[09:45] <vlt> ramsub07: How would you browse the files on host A using nautilus?
[09:46] <vlt> ramsub07: Then do the same just use "B" instead. (sshfs is one option)
[09:47] <ramsub07> vlt: my task is to run simulations, for some edits in the part of the code. I know it'd be cleaner to make different copies of the file and run them using a bash script on the server, but i'd rather have it more interactive to make the debugging easy
[09:56] <zetheroo> I am having no luck starting a vpn connection with 'systemctl start openvpn@digicluster' , whereas with 'openvpn --config /etc/openvpn/digicluster.ovpn' it works perfectly.
[09:57] <vlt> zetheroo: Maybe it expects .conf instead of .ovpn
[09:57] <Peanut> Hi, I'm running 18.04 and since yesterday's apt update, my Thunderbird no longer has calendar integration. "Lightning is incompatible with Thunderbird 60.2.1" Is this a known issue, and what can I do to see my calendar again?
[09:58] <zetheroo> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ctdZTrMSKm/
[09:59] <zetheroo> vlt: spot on! Tks
[10:14] <coconut> What happens when i want to remove i.e. firefox, while the installled version is not in repo anymore. Does it still remove all firefox files?
[10:16] <EriC^^> coconut: if you remove it using purge it removes the system configs but your user configs are untouched
[10:17] <coconut> interesting... :)
[10:17] <EriC^^> :)
[10:22] <Jazzy_J> I sometimes think the person that created the trackpad should be drawn and quartered.
[10:49] <kikero> Hi there!
[10:49] <kikero> sudo hangs just after I type in the password and press enter when in Gnome, but it doesn't it I do that from another tty
[10:54] <nisankhindia> kikero: dear friend , what is the output of " sudo -l " , just type this command using your terminal and if there it shows any output on the terminal , let us know ..
[10:57] <nisankhindia> kikero: syslog can also be helpful try to get syslog .. look at inside of /var/log and get te syslog from there
[10:57] <gpunk> he left a while ago :p
[10:57] <nisankhindia> gpunk: :p
[11:08] <nisankhindia> to all of my ubuntu family members what you think about this , https://community.ubuntu.com/t/survey-to-all-users-for-better-ubuntu-development-and-user-experince/8413
[11:11] <JimBuntu> nisankhindia, while a worthy question, not one for the support channel. Please see #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic even
[11:12] <Ool> and perhaps wait for friday :)
[11:33] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:09] <darutoko> I've installed 18.04 on VM and trying to create anonymous share for windows 7 following this: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-configure-samba-server-share-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[12:10] <darutoko> it workd for dir at Home but when I do the same for dir on mounted device - I get permission denied, what could be the problem?
[12:11] <Ool> perhaps user samba don't have right on it ?
[12:11] <darutoko> anonymous share
[12:12] <darutoko> no user
[12:12] <BluesKaj> set the rw permission for "user"
[12:13] <darutoko> I'm doing chmod 0777 on this dir
[12:13] <darutoko> and result is the same
[12:13] <BluesKaj> 0777?
[12:14] <darutoko> yes
[12:15] <BluesKaj> never seen that. but I'm a home user
[12:19] <ioria> darutoko, try to  chown nobody:nogroup    the mountpoint
[12:20] <BluesKaj> ok octal vs deccimal
[12:20] <BluesKaj> decimal rather
[12:23] <darutoko> ioria, it works now, thank you
[12:23] <Akimb> Hey. 18.10 gets stuck on "Started bpfilter" while booting. Any recommendations what to try to fix this issue? Perhaps this is a known issue for 18.10?
[12:24] <gpunk> Akimb: go to #ubuntu+1
[12:24] <ioria> darutoko, ok
[12:24] <Akimb> gpunk, ok ;)
[12:25] <gpunk> :)
[12:27] <tibyke> moin
[12:27] <tibyke> do you know a way to set *custom* tls-cipher in nm-applet vpn config section?
[12:51] <anchnk> hi, I am running ubuntu 18.04 and I can't figure it out how to span my desktop so that the dual monitor are considered as a single display ?
[12:52] <grr12314> hello. what is a good vnc client for ubuntu? i tried vinagre and it asks for username and password while vnc only has password. i tried xtightvnc (the default candidate for vncviewer on ubuntu) and it does not share clipboard nor allow windows key to be mapped to mac's command key (the server to which i connect is mac)
[12:52] <lotus|NUC> grr12314: be carefull with vnc as its a security flaw
[12:52] <lotus|NUC> !vnc | grr12314
[12:53] <lotus|NUC> grr12314: try a more secure protocol
[13:03] <ryan1> why do tutorials always advice creating a new user when running a service like docker or znc or postgresql
[13:04] <OerHeks> anchnk, that would be easy, systemsettings > displays, top row: 1 single display # gives 1 workspace on 2 displays
[13:07] <anchnk> OerHeks, I think single Display only activate one or the other monitor isn't it ?
[13:07] <mgedmin> grr12314: remmina worksforme, if I can remember how to spell it
[13:08] <OerHeks> anchnk, you didn't try ??
[13:08] <anchnk> I did yes
[13:08] <mgedmin> ryan1: mild isolation; so you don't accidentally mess up the service and so the service can't mess up with your personal data files
[13:10] <OerHeks> anchnk, oh correct, the option you want is in gnome-tweak-tool > workspaces > workspaces span displays
[13:10] <OerHeks> !info gnome-tweak-tool
[13:11] <anchnk> OerHeks yeah I activated that as well, indeed it seems to span the workspace, however I would like to be able to have a window that span both monitor when I maximize it
[13:11] <anchnk> that isn't the case by default
[13:12] <MeiR> does someone here use CloudFlare logs API to store access logs locally on their own server?
[13:12] <OerHeks> oh, for app windows i have no clue, span automaticly
[13:49] <cyanide> i have an old amd r9 270x gpu. how are the amd drivers?
[13:50] <cyanide> are things like video decoding supported by the gpu drivers?
[13:50] <lotus|NUC> cyanide: we advice to test your hardware to try a liveusb, working good? => physical install
[13:50] <lotus|NUC> !amd | cyanide
[13:51] <lotus|NUC> cyanide: see also: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-the-latest-amd-radeon-drivers-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[13:52] <lotus|NUC> cyanide: we did not see too much issues on amd graphics yet here on 18.04
[13:52] <cyanide> ok
[13:52] <cyanide> will have a go
[13:57] <Azimoth> Hi, I'll try to keep it short: I installed 18.04 when it was released and ever since the fans run full speed on startup and after 10-20 minutes the laptop just shuts down. My workaround so far was to boot into Win10 first, then reboot into Ubuntu (not shutting down) and everything was fine. Now I tested the Elementary Live image and noticed it did not show this behaviour. I downloaded 18.04.1, put it on a stick and everything was fine ri
[13:57] <Azimoth> ght from the start. Can I "reinstall" 18.04.1 without wiping the old installation? What options to fix this do I have?
[14:02] <OerHeks> Azimoth, run: sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade # and you will have 18.04.1 too
[14:03] <Azimoth> OerHeks: I have 18.04.1 installed already, I'm trying to find how my installation differs from what the live image provides...
[14:04] <Azimoth> OerHeks: Or how to fix it without knowing what the reason was :D
[14:04] <multifractal> I'm running gparted from a 16.04 live usb environment. a warning message has just appeared sying "the driver descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 but linux says it is 512 bytes". I can "cancel" or "ignore". What exactly does this mean, and what impact will it have on me? My intention is to erase a rarely used partition to free up space and grow my 16.04 partition into the newly freed space.
[14:07] <multifractal> FYI, regardless of whether i "ignore" or "cancel", Gparted GUI opens up and the partitions appear in the little chart. They all appear to be the correct size and whatnot. The button I want (delete) is there and not greyed out or anything. Should I be OK to proceed?
[14:08] <tomreyn> multifractal: i think it's a bug in gdisk (or the libs it uses) https://askubuntu.com/questions/781223/physical-block-size-is-2048-bytes-but-linux-says-it-is-512-when-formatting-us/781236
[14:08] <tomreyn> i mean gparted
[14:10] <tomreyn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/parted/+bug/1589028
[14:12] <tomreyn> multifractal: if i remember correctly (don't blame me!) you can just choose to ignore this situation.
[14:12] <tomreyn> alternatively, you could try to use a different utility, such as parted, fdisk or sgdisk
[14:12] <multifractal> tomreyn: Thanks for checking it out for me. I decided to take the plunge and thankfully it has all worked smoothly. Both my win10 and ubuntu boot happily.
[14:13] <OerHeks> Azimoth, iirc, the installer gives a reinstall option, but whatever you try, backup your data first
[14:14] <tomreyn> multifractal: glad it worked out.
[14:15] <Azimoth> OerHeks: backups, of course, but is the "reinstall" option supposed to only replace system files and leave the rest untouched or is it meant to format everything and start over from scratch?
[14:20] <OerHeks> Azimoth, i am looking for re-install screen pictures, i cannot find one :-(
[14:20] <OerHeks> it should reinstall the system and leave your /home folder untouched
[14:22] <Azimoth> OerHeks: But this would mean to reinstall/configure everything installed... :/ I thought there might be a way to copy something form the sticks boot section into the computers /boot directory that makes this go away, but there are way too many files there to just pick one at randon^^
[14:44] <ChunkzZ> !isitoutyet
[14:45] <ChunkzZ> 18.10 is out?!
[14:45] <lotus|NUC> ChunkzZ: not yet
 Yes, it's out! Party in #ubuntu-release-party :) < bot needs updating. xD
[14:50] <adamretter> I just updated my host (Ubuntu 18.04) and now two of my KVM vm's that were running perfectly fine before won't start up. I looked in the logs in /var/log/libvirt/qemu/ and there are no errors
[14:51] <adamretter> By updated I mean that I ran apt-get dist-upgrade && shutdown -r now
[15:01] <Aleric> Hi, can someone help me? I'm trying to add a (personal) patch to libtool. For this I'm following the instructions on http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/patches-to-packages.html
[15:02] <Aleric> This tells me to run 'bzr branch ubuntu:bionic/libtool' at the start.  But when I do that, it tells me I have to tell it first my Launchpad ID.
[15:03] <Aleric> When I go to https://login.launchpad.net/+login I can login with<EMAIL_ADDRESS>as normal and my password. But when I try to tell bzr about it, I get:
[15:03] <Aleric> sean:/usr/src/debian>bzr launchpad-login<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:03] <Aleric> bzr: ERROR: The user name<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is not registered on Launchpad.
[15:04] <Aleric> What am I doing wrong? That IS what I use to login there - so why is it telling me it is not registered?
[15:06] <teward> Aleric: your email address and your username may be different.
[15:07] <teward> Aleric: go to your user page on Launchpad, in the URL, look for ~SOMETHING
[15:07] <teward> the 'SOMETHING' is your usernam
[15:07] <teward> use that instead of your email address with the bzr command line
[15:08] <teward> Aleric: if you don't know your username you can't use launchpad-login and email address is typically NOT your username on Launchpad.
[15:09] <teward> Aleric: if this is you, by the way... https://launchpad.net/~carlo-alinoe ... your username is carlo-alinoe
[15:09] <Aleric> I found my user-id after logging in.
[15:09] <Aleric> Yes, thanks :)
[15:09] <Aleric> Now it says I have to upload an ssh key :/ ..hmm.
[15:10] <mas886> Hello there, I need a bit of help formating a SD card, tried gparted, and KDE partition managerand none both of them give me errors while formating
[15:11] <tomreyn> mas886: so they both work fine?
[15:12] <mas886> tomreyn: Maybe I messed up writing there a little bit, iment tgat both programs gave me errors while formating
[15:12] <tomreyn> note that formatting refers to creating / preparing a file system, buzt these are primarily paritioning tools, which read and write to parition tables.
[15:13] <teward> mas886: it'd be great to know the errors you're seeing.
[15:13] <teward> but as tomreyn said, they call other utilities to do the 'formatting' steps, and those may be failing for various reasons
[15:13] <teward> so seeing the errors would help.
[15:13] <mas886> So how couldIdebg the process, the error range I'm gettingis quite variated
[15:14] <tomreyn> mas886: start by providing the first errors they return, and we can walk through it from there.
[15:15] <mas886> Okay, re runing the process
[15:21] <Aleric> Hmm
[15:21] <Aleric> debug1: Skipping ssh-dss key /home/carlo/.ssh/lauchpad_carlo_dsa - not in PubkeyAcceptedKeyTypes
[15:22] <Aleric> I just generated it :/
[15:22] <teward> Aleric: you should use RSA keys not DSA keys
[15:22] <teward> and then you need to upload the public key to Launchpad
[15:22] <teward> and then wait up to 15 minutes just to let everything sync
[15:22] <Aleric> It says rsa or dsa.
[15:23] <teward> yes I know what it says, but RSA is typically the 'standard' form to use nowadays
[15:25] <mas886> Now it looks like the formatting process got stuck
[15:31] <Aleric> teward: Is there a way to tell bzr to connect to another host than bazaar.launchpad.net?
[15:31] <mas886> tomreyn teward : I first deleted tlhe two partitions, and then tried to create one and apparently itsaidthat removing them worked fine (which is not true cause the files and partitions are still there,as I can browse though them aswell), then itgave me error on the creating partition process saying: Can't have overlapping partitions
[15:31] <teward> Aleric: no.
[15:32] <Aleric> Ok, I got the authentication working :).
[15:32] <Aleric> Now I get:
[15:32] <Aleric> sean:/usr/src/debian>bzr branch ubuntu:bionic/libtool
[15:32] <Aleric> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/+branch/ubuntu/bionic/libtool/".
[15:33] <Aleric> What I'm trying to do is get the source code of libtool - so that I can add a patch.
[15:34] <Aleric> (still following http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/patches-to-packages.html)
[15:35] <Aleric> Sorry, I never used bzr before - I just installed it. I normally use git.
[15:35] <Aleric> I don't see a bzr clone?
[15:35] <teward> Aleric: bzr was retired in favor of git
[15:36] <Aleric> ...
[15:36] <Aleric> I hate websites with documentation that are just plain wrong :(
[15:36] <teward> Aleric: s/wrong/in the process of being changed/
[15:37] <Aleric> So, how would I get the source of libtool?
[15:37] <teward> Aleric: time to read https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libtool and see the 'git clone' commands at the top.
[15:37] <teward> you would then have to check out the specific branch, but I'm not sure where you'd go from there to make changes, upload your own, etc.  as i said, the documentation is still being updated for the very recent massive changeover to git
[15:45] <coconut> How long until 18.10?
[15:45] <blackflow> over nine thousand miliseconds!
[15:45] <pragmaticenigma> coconut: We are volunteers here, we don't have those answers.
[15:45] <coconut> lol
[15:46] <coconut> that's a very social way of seeing it.
[15:48] <JimBuntu> 18.10 is "expected" to be released tomorrow (depending on your timezone)
[15:49] <Aleric> teward: is quilt still being used to apply patches? debian/patches is still there.
[15:49] <coconut> thnx JimBuntu.
[15:49] <Aleric> Seems a bit silly to use quilt when you're already using git :/
[15:50] <teward> Aleric: yes, quilt is used by debhelper and the package builders to apply packages.
[15:50] <teward> VCS and package builders are 'different' :P
[15:51] <teward> s/apply packages/apply changes outside of the debian directory to the source code of the application/
[16:00] <Aleric> teward: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/patches-to-packages.html also mentions (under 6.2. Adding a New Patch): bzr add .pc/*
[16:00] <Aleric> That seems weird, since .pc isn't in git at all.
[16:01] <Aleric> Isn't it enough to only add debian/patches/lt-gdb.patch (my new patch) and debian/patches/series ?
[16:02] <Aleric> Hmm, my .pc is empty.
[16:03] <Aleric> After 'quilt push -a' it is filled - but it's not OK to add it to git I think.
[16:05] <Aleric> (Nor to bzr before - that seems to be just a bug on the webpage)
[16:06] <teward> Aleric: again, outdated system.
[16:06] <teward> outdated documentation*
[16:12] <mgedmin> isn't ubuntu distributed development transitioning from bzr to git anyway?
[16:13] <Aleric> yes that's what teward is telling me all this time :p
[16:13] <mgedmin> guess who has two thumbs and is not reading the backlog?
[16:16] <teward> mgedmin: you :p
[16:23] <Aleric> How should I build the package now? ... following http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/fixing-a-bug.html also fails.
[16:23] <Aleric> sean:/usr/src/ubuntu/libtool>debuild -S -d -us -uc
[16:23] <Aleric> [...]
[16:23] <Aleric> dpkg-source: error: can't build with source format '3.0 (quilt)': no upstream tarball found at ../libtool_2.4.6.orig.tar.{bz2,gz,lzma,xz}
[16:31] <Aleric> Guess I'll just run DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH="$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_MULTIARCH)" debian/rules build-arch
[17:11] <tonyt> it is grill time again https://i.imgur.com/EKJbksK.jpg
[17:22] <moopthemighty> hey so if I enable persistance WHILE im in the live OS ... will it save everything ive done or do I have to do this outside the live-usb "container"?
[17:22] <moopthemighty> because i dont want to keep rebooting lol
[17:22] <moopthemighty> what files do i check to make sure its gonna happen?
[17:23] <moopthemighty> and what should those files say?
[17:23] <moopthemighty> i know /etc/mtab should have an entry at the bottom of an overlay of some sort and union or unionfs
[17:24] <moopthemighty> could someone running a live debian based system on usb with persistance cat and post thier /etc/fstab /etc/mtab and boot config files?
[17:24] <moopthemighty> or was it the lack of a newline in my persistance.conf?
[17:26] <tomvolek> anybody here has installed Openstack with Ubuntu ? Like to talk on sideline
[17:34] <tomreyn> tomvolek: try asking your specific question in #ubuntu-server
[17:34] <tomvolek> tx
[17:43] <nicomachus> is there an option somewhere to remove the application icons that Gnome puts in the top-right of each window?
[17:44] <nicomachus> like the poorly-scaled one in the top-right of this terminal window: https://i.imgur.com/XD0C6uZ.png
[17:48] <tomreyn> maybe there's a gnome extension which can hide it.
[17:48] <tomreyn> IIRC gnome tweak tool can move those icons around
[17:48] <nicomachus> I haven't found one yet, but I'll keep looking. Can't seem to find a dconf-editor setting or anthing
[17:48] <nicomachus> anything*
[17:49] <nicomachus> gnome tweak and dconf can both move the close,max,min icons, but I don't see anything for the app icon
[17:50] <tomreyn> oh i got you wrong then, thought you were referring to those.
[17:51] <tomreyn> i dont't actually have that app icon
[17:51] <tomreyn> is this gnome 3?
[17:52] <nicomachus> It only shows on some programs for me. but on the terminal it scales poorly (or not at all) so it looks especially bad.
[17:52] <tomreyn> which terminal emulator is this?
[17:52] <nicomachus> Yea, gnome 3. And it's just gnome-terminal
[17:54] <tomreyn> hmm i dont see that icon on gnome3's gnome-terminal, even with the menu bar hidden
[17:55] <nicomachus> the icon comes from Numix-Circle. Yours may be the default icon or something different.
[17:57] <Xard> i hope the patched nautilus lands up to 18.04 as the crashing on search is quite annoying feature to have considering that the search fires up now just by typing
[17:59] <tomreyn> nicomachus: yes, probably default https://i.imgur.com/AmmvgOz.png
[18:00] <nicomachus> oh yea, that's very default. :)
[18:01] <ericek111> I've found a bug in caja, not sure if applies to nautilus. Sometimes, when working with cards and moving files around, the usual, my caja gets kinda stuck. It looks like nothing happened, I can open files and browse the directories, but when I try to create/rename/delete a folder or a file, it thinks I'm on a different tab and does the action to the selected entry on its respective tab. Like if the selection was stuck. Restarting
[18:01] <ericek111> caja helps. Last time it's happened, I closed the tab which it was stuck on and after pressing F2 (rename) it crashed completely. Does the same happen in nautilus?
[18:02] <ericek111> yikes, that was rather extensive. Sorry, not sorry. :D :)
[18:02] <tomreyn> i have a couple extensions installed already and thus somehow lost some of the snap to screen edge functionality. i can only snap to left or right, no longer top/bottom left or top/bottom right
[18:02] <dury> hi there channel :-)
[18:02] <nicomachus> that seems unusual, tomreyn
[18:03] <tomreyn> nicomachus: i assume it's a side effect of one of those extensions...
[18:04] <dury>
[18:05] <tomreyn> https://i.imgur.com/SbMCAOO.png is the ones i have
[18:05] <dury> sorry
[18:09] <nicomachus> tomreyn: can't find any extensions for that. Surely there's a setting somewhere... or some config file I can modify
[18:11] <tomreyn> nicomachus: maybe try asking in a gnome channel or in #ubuntu-desktop
[18:16] <dury> got this sony vaio vgn-bz11en... did install beaver 64 bits...installation procedure was ok. but after that the device goes like standby I mean the display goes blank unexpectedly, then press any key and display comes up for user pwd. Type pwd and goes ok. after 5 seconds or something goes the same. Is that something to do with the microprcessor fan or tpm in bios, what's your opinion guys?
[18:24] <dury> it gets blocked in booting process, press space bar or enter key..
[18:25] <dury> and again have to type current user pwd
[18:27] <dury> gessss sony vaio vgn-bz11en
[18:28] <dury> is anybody there to give a clue, please?
[18:29] <nicomachus> !patience | dury
[18:30] <cognition> https://paste.centos.org/view/a347581c#ZzHTWQYT7Pl7VFObkLYsKIe8yMZ2TXvL
[18:32] <cognition> a 700GB disk is seen by df as 1.4TB
[18:36] <ikonia> cognition: you're using centos , this channel is for ubuntu
[18:36] <OerHeks> cognition, no it does not. and what linux is this?
[18:36] <gambl0re> the clock is not showing in the panel. whenever i open the Clock settings and set the time it shows up but when i close the Clock window, the clock will dissapear again. how do i make it so that it stays?
[18:38] <dury> ikonia, what about my issue, what u think ?
[18:39] <ikonia> dury: I've not looked at your issue
[18:39] <dury> ok
[18:41] <OerHeks> dury, maybe it is the same issue, use 'nomodeset'?? https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1487383
[18:43] <nicomachus> gambl0re: you may check in dconf-editor and search for "clock", then make sure the correct toggles are on.
[18:52] <dury> OerHeks - Sony Vaio S Series. VPCS117GG is older than sony vaio vgn-bz11en or what?
[18:53] <OerHeks> dury, maybe, but it could be your solution too
[18:53] <OerHeks> hold shift @ boot, press e to edit for this boot only, and try out?
[18:54] <cognition> OerHeks: Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
[18:54] <dury> I've installed beaver bionic 64bits
[18:55] <dury> in that sony I've mentioned
[18:56] <dury> cognition, better ubuntu 16.04.3 lts in this sony vaio?
[18:57] <cognition> dury? This issue is on the dell platform
[18:58] <dury> cognition, what's the url then?
[19:05] <nicomachus> the manufactureer of your laptop isn't going to matter in 99% of issues, guys.
[19:09] <Sven_vB> is there any benefit of using HTTPS if the connection to the webserver is encrypted with a) IPsec or b) OpenVPN?
[19:10] <Sven_vB> besides being able to send a client cert.
[19:18] <locsmif> Hi all. I lost the use of the proprietary nvidia driver somewhere along the way and I can't get it switched on any more in ubuntu updater, what do I do?
[19:42] <Sven_vB> I'm trying to compile hidclient. for that I needed a bluetooth.h so I installed libbluetooth-dev. which had install conflicts that lead apt to downgrade libbluetooth, I accepted, and since then, "bluetooth.service: Failed at step EXEC spawning /usr/libexec/bluetooth/bluetoothd: No such file or directory" … any ideas how to fix it? ideally while still having a bluetooth.h. (the one in the kernel sources was ignored by the makefile s
[19:42] <Sven_vB> o it's probably a wrong one.)
[19:43] <Sven_vB> using xenial
[19:44] <Sven_vB> or is there an easier way to make my notebook act as a bluetooth keyboard?
[19:46] <TJ-> Sven_vB: libbluetooth-dev should Depends: on libbluetoothX (X is some ABI version), so installing -dev should /install/ or leave as-is the (correct) matching installed library/binary packages
[19:46] <TJ-> Sven_vB: what you describe sounds like the system had a mismatch of packages
[19:47] <Sven_vB> TJ-, yeah the version was off by one in the 3rd number (patch probably)
[19:48] <Sven_vB> I'll try compiling the binary in a chroot and copying it out, maybe it works.
[19:52] <Sven_vB> lesson learned: next time apt suggests to downgrad something, I'll cancel and retry in an overlay fs chroot.
[19:54] <sfdebug> does anyone know how can i recover a shift + deleted folder? my file system is ext4..
[19:58] <Sven_vB> sfdebug, power down the machine hard (wall cable) so it has no chance to overwrite the data. then, on another machine, research "disk forensics".
[19:58] <Bashing-om> sfdebug: Might consider ' extundelete ' .
[19:59] <Sven_vB> as for the overwrite protection, maybe a read-only remount will do as well, if that's easier for you. ;)
[20:08] <R13ose> Hi
[20:57] <MWM> Im having trouble with dnsmasq being al;ready bound to port 53. Id like to just remove it but it seems that I cant just remove --purge dnsmasq ... any ideas?
[21:06] <Hamilton> so I want a executable in my path
[21:06] <Hamilton> should i move it to ~/bin or somewhere else?
[21:07] <ericek111> do `echo $PATH`
[21:08] <Hamilton> so it is in .local/bin?
[21:08] <Hamilton> and : is the separator?
[21:08] <ericek111> yep
[21:08] <Hamilton> The app's instructions asked to move it to ~/bin
[21:08] <Hamilton> it is non-standard, no?
[21:08] <ericek111> that's unlikely
[21:09] <ericek111> yep. you can move it to /usr/bin or create a new folder in ~/bin and append that to $PATH
[21:09] <Hamilton> no I'm good with .local
[21:09] <Hamilton> ericek111, thanks man :D
[21:10] <ericek111> you're welcome :) it's usually best to keep your own programs in one place, especially if they're important, so you don't lose them on reinstall.
[21:15] <Hamilton> okay...
[21:15] <Hamilton> still lot to learn about these standard procedures
[21:34] <solarsunburst> Hello, I am using Kubuntu 18.04 and I have a problem with my external hard drive. Somehow it is not mounted automatically, and I can not do it manually either. On Windows it works, so it is not broken. Here is the error message: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qSyvnnVd7g/
[21:35] <solarsunburst> I know it says I should do something on Windows, but I wanted to ask here first.
[21:36] <ericek111> `sudo ntfsfix /dev/sdb1`
[21:37] <solarsunburst> Will it remove my data?
[21:37] <ericek111> no, it will try to repair the partition (e. g. broken journal, header)
[21:38] <ericek111> NTFS is prone to stuff like that. Well, made by Microsoft, can't expect any better.
[21:38] <solarsunburst> Thank you, it worked! :)
[21:38] <ericek111> :] you're welcome
[21:46] <pybert> hi, I'm considering using snap to install docker --- it seems to work fine on my servers
[21:46] <pybert> but Im having second thoughs, if I have investigated this enough
[21:46] <pybert> are there any common downsides to using snap?
[21:46] <pybert> e.g. application performance issues?
[22:13] <urgodfather> Hello hello
[22:22] <Hamilton> urgodfather, hello me compadre
[22:29] <elisa87> hello, can someone please help me with this? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1084682/how-to-automatically-re-run-a-process-python-code-that-keeps-crashing-using-ba my process annoyingly keeps crashing every 10-15minutes sometimes even more frequent
[22:31] <ericek111> 1. fix your Python code :D
[22:31] <ericek111> 2. while true; do python3 stuff.py; done
[22:38] <elisa87> ericek111: is there any complication if I use option 2?
[22:43] <ericek111> elisa87, it's dirty, but it works.
[22:43] <ericek111> If I were you, I'd fix the code and make a proper daemon/service instead.
[23:06] <TJ-> elisa87: if you hit a ProtocolError because the other end closed the connection, your code needs to clean up and re-open the connection,not just 'pass'
[23:08] <puff> Good evening.  I'm at the local library, trying to use the wifi.  It gives me a page with a "login to network" button that tries to load wifi.einenetwork.net, and I get "Hmm. We’re having trouble finding that site."
[23:08] <puff> The staff, of course, barely know what wifi is.  sigh.
[23:12] <puff> Hm, same results under chrome as firefox, slightly more info:  wifi.einetwork.net’s server IP address could not be found.
[23:12] <puff> DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN
[23:16] <L00P3X> hello o/ could I ask how to compile https://github.com/sinamas/gambatte ? i did as the readme told but have no clue on how to run this.... please
[23:16] <Sven_vB> trying to undo my libbluetooth downgrade, I discovered I had a bluez from the future. so I downgraded from 5.37-0ubuntu5.2 to 5.37-0ubuntu5.1 which https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/bluez says is the current version, but how could I have gotten the newer one? I didn't modify my PPAs.
[23:29] <TJ-> Sven_vB: "apt-cache policy libbluetooth"
[23:29] <TJ-> !info libbluetooth xenial
[23:29] <TJ-> !info libbluetooth3 xenial
[23:30] <Sven_vB> apt-cache policy only finds 5 and 5.1
[23:47] <urgodfather> hello hello
[23:48] <poltergeese> hi
[23:50] <mustmodify> So, the interwebz says not to panic about the new CVE because it's not actually in use for SSH. But someone must be using it... right?
[23:50] <urgodfather> whats the new cve?
[23:50] <urgodfather> hadnt seen it
[23:50] <mustmodify> https://www.libssh.org/security/advisories/CVE-2018-10933.txt
[23:51]  * urgodfather drops jaw
[23:52] <mustmodify> @urgodfather sure.
[23:52] <urgodfather> thats no bueno
[23:52] <mustmodify> that said, some interwebzians are saying that "vanilla" isn't affected.
[23:52] <mustmodify> that sshd isn't using libssh... but ...
[23:52] <mustmodify> still trying to sort it out.
[23:52] <NerdTheThird> is 18.10 out or later today?
[23:54] <urgodfather> yeah, that is no bueno. interesting approach lol who woulda thunk
[23:54] <mustmodify> So presumably an apt candidate package isn't currently installed?
[23:57] <L00P3X> this maybe isn't the right place to post my question.. but could someone point me somewhere or help me start this https://github.com/sinamas/gambatte ?
[23:57] <hggdh> mustmodify:
[23:58] <mustmodify> @hggdh?
[23:58] <berglh> NerdTheThird: I've written a bash command to watch the download page to be updated
[23:58] <urgodfather> L00P3X did you read the readme?
[23:58] <hggdh> soffy. USN-3795-1 and USN-3796-2. Sorry for the contextlessping
[23:59] <berglh> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nHkRhY2nzY/
[23:59] <NerdTheThird> lmao really? that's amazing berglh
[23:59] <hggdh> darn! mustmodify ^
[23:59] <berglh> probably should sleep longer
[23:59] <berglh> i want to seed the torrents


[04:18] <oerl90> hi
[20:02] <aNickForMe> msg nik90 yo you got a second for a question about local storage ?
[20:02] <aNickForMe> nailed it
[20:02] <nik90> aNickForMe: hey
[20:02] <nik90> sure
[20:02] <nik90> shoot
[20:02] <aNickForMe> let me get a paste thingy togeather
[20:03] <aNickForMe> nik90: why in the world is this not working ?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6692883/
[20:03] <aNickForMe> thanks
[20:04] <aNickForMe> every thing else works
[20:04] <aNickForMe> lik getDB() ect ect data base there and has data checked with sqliteman
[20:04] <aNickForMe> I will paste full DBUtils.js
[20:05] <aNickForMe> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6692898/
[20:07] <aNickForMe> I have also tried to set the query string as   var foo = "SELECT VALUES " + rowName +" FROM Directions"   ; db.tx.executeSql(foo)
[20:08] <nik90> so in essence the function to trying to retrieve a specific entry by row name?
[20:08] <aNickForMe> correct
[20:08] <aNickForMe> like the Row Name
[20:10] <aNickForMe> but I want to pass from many places so I want to pass like    import "Foo.js" as DataBase    .. ... ..  DataBase.getRowByName("home")
[20:10] <nik90> don't you do something similar in the getHome() function?
[20:10] <aNickForMe> the function getHome() works fine so it is not the data base it is something in the query
[20:11] <aNickForMe> I could make single rows and call by int but what if enduser works at 10 places like me
[20:11] <aNickForMe> so when there setting there work they can have many
[20:12] <aNickForMe> maybe I have to just make many tables for each
[20:12] <aNickForMe> IDK
[20:12] <nik90> I am trying to wrap my mind around your database.
[20:12] <aNickForMe> handling all this after in model is another issue
[20:13] <nik90> hmm why not wrap this whole thing inside a qml model rather than a js file?
[20:13] <nik90> let me find you an example
[20:13] <aNickForMe> nik90: the data base is like this    ran =  has the program ever run ?    home = the end users home address  work = endusers work address ;
[20:14] <nik90> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-clock-dev/ubuntu-clock-app/trunk/view/head:/clock/WorldClockModel.qml
[20:14] <aNickForMe> lang is the end users language sysunits is like miles or KM
[20:16] <aNickForMe> maybe SELECT  statement will not allow ? , [value]
[20:16] <nik90> I would recommend using a qml listmodel as showcased in the example link I posted. The advantage is that handling a listmodel with data is so much easier.
[20:17] <aNickForMe> nik90: yeah that is cool but it is the function that I need to get working
[20:18] <aNickForMe> it is a nice model clean too
[20:18] <aNickForMe> but model's are after I get the dang function to work.  If I had access out side chroot then I would just do this in C++
[20:18] <aNickForMe> via mysql
[20:19] <nik90> how about you change the sqlite call to something like,
[20:21] <nik90> var rs = tx.executeSql('Select index from Directions where rowName=?', rowName);
[20:21] <nik90> first mistake I see in your sqlite call is using db.tx.executeSql while it should be tx.executeSql
[20:23] <nik90> in my sqlite call, you need replace "index" with somethign more appropriate
[20:24] <nik90> aNickForMe: does that help?
[20:24] <nik90> I am not awfully comfortable with qt localstorage. I am actually trying to move away to u1db :-)
[20:24] <nik90> just had a hangout about it :P
[20:25] <aNickForMe> yeah I little but it is still not working
[20:25] <aNickForMe> I changed it to                      var rs = tx.executeSql('Select ? from Directions',[rowName]);   but it is returning undefined
[20:27] <aNickForMe> my bad typo
[20:27] <nik90> did you use the caps like SELECT, FROM etc etc?
[20:27] <nik90> I made that mistake in my reply.
[20:27] <aNickForMe> yeah it is returning the objects for some reason now
[20:27] <aNickForMe> it console.logs    [object Object] [object Object]
[20:29] <aNickForMe> let me paste the function again
[20:29] <nik90> I dont see rowName property in the sqlite entries
[20:29] <aNickForMe> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6693033/
[20:29] <nik90> which property are you trying to match it against?
[20:29] <aNickForMe> nik90: that is what I am getting from another page
[20:30] <nik90> aNickForMe: I know. But since you are effectively trying to get the data from another page and match it with the data in one of the entries in the table, which property are you comparing it against?
[20:31] <aNickForMe> import "components/database.js" as DataBase                onClicked:{var q = DataBase.getRowByName("home");   console.log(q)   }
[20:32] <nik90> aNickForMe: ah okay. That makes sense now.
[20:32] <aNickForMe> Component.onCompleted: {
[20:32] <aNickForMe>                  DataBase.createInit()
[20:32] <aNickForMe>                 var c = "home"
[20:32] <aNickForMe>                 console.log("YO YO YO YO "  +DataBase.getRowByName("home"))
[20:33] <aNickForMe> that returns    YO YO YO YO [object Object][object Object]
[20:33] <aNickForMe> and not the string
[20:41] <nik90> I am sorry but I am not really sure what the issue is with the code
[20:47] <aNickForMe> me either I am looking at the source code for location qml plugin
[20:48] <aNickForMe> I know why it is retuning the object I just want to figure out how to change it know
[20:48] <aNickForMe> nik90: you def helped with the string for the query
[20:48] <aNickForMe> that was the big issue
[20:48] <nik90> hmm okay :-)..
[20:48] <nik90> I guess you need to access individual properties of the object somehow
[20:49] <nik90> so in your case that would be r.somepropertyname
[20:49] <nik90> that's what you need to figure out I guess
[21:42] <aNickForMe> nik90: thanks again.
[21:43] <aNickForMe> just got done reading the qmlsqldatabase_executeSql   function good stuff
[21:50] <PublicStaticVoid> This is the app development chanel
[21:50] <PublicStaticVoid> where is the OS development chanel?
[21:50] <PublicStaticVoid> Channel*
[22:11] <nik90> PublicStaticVoid: join #ubuntu-touch
[22:11] <nik90> for OS development or any question related to Ubuntu Touch
[22:11] <ahayzen> nik90, awesome session on U1DB earlier. I've just started trying to figure out how to move our playlists/recently played data over to U1DB for the music-app
[22:12] <nik90> ahayzen: thnx mate
[22:12] <nik90> ahayzen: I am working on a sample app now to illustrate dyanmic document storage and retrieval stuff
[22:12] <ahayzen> nik90, playlists is an interesting one. because u can have many playlists and many tracks in each playlist
[22:13] <ahayzen> nik90, cool :)
[22:13] <nik90> I think there you would have one document per playlist
[22:13] <nik90> and each document will have the song name, duration as properties
[22:13] <ahayzen> nik90, yeah either 1 document per playlist or 1 per track in each playlist?
[22:14] <nik90> but I am new to this as well. So I would recommend running it by stuart later.
[22:14] <nik90> yup both should work
[22:14] <ahayzen> nik90, i think the former should work but yh i'm new so will have a play :)
[22:14] <nik90> exactly
[22:14] <nik90> :)
[22:15] <ahayzen> nik90, the only thing we were wondering is that we want *some* data to be synced and some not (eg settings synced but not playlists) so would these be best in diffferent databases?
[22:16] <daker> ahayzen: wait what session ?
[22:17] <ahayzen> daker, https://plus.google.com/113051860352311525753/posts/UUjKWV3wGyi
[22:18] <daker> ahayzen: aha!
[22:18] <ahayzen> daker, :)
[22:21] <nik90> ahayzen: regarding the sync part I am not sure. But as mentioned by stuart, sync is pretty much uncharted territory :) so hard to say
[22:22] <ahayzen> nik90, yep understood, we were just trying to think of limitations with our data. Did u say some community apps are currently using U1DB?
[22:23] <nik90> ahayzen: yup. Take a look at geldliste, saucybacon, ubuntu tasks (created as part of app developer showdown)
[22:23] <ahayzen> nik90, cool thanks :)
[22:23] <nik90> also word chain
[22:24] <PublicStaticVoid> nik90: Okay?
[22:24] <PublicStaticVoid> #ubuntu-touch
[22:24] <nik90> PublicStaticVoid: I forgot to ask if you are referring to Ubuntu Touch or Ubuntu development
[22:24] <nik90> PublicStaticVoid: for Ubuntu OS development go to #ubuntu-devel I think
[22:25] <PublicStaticVoid> Ubuntu Touch is for phones.. right?
[22:25] <nik90> PublicStaticVoid: well for now yes...eventually tablet, tv :)
[22:26] <PublicStaticVoid> I installed the package while installing from net install today
[22:26] <PublicStaticVoid> Thought it was a DE for my touchscreen haha
[22:26] <PublicStaticVoid> Dunno what it gave me
[22:27] <nik90> lol
[23:09] <PublicStaticVoid> nik90: Is there a beta for touch on touchscreen laptops x86_64
[23:19] <nik90> PublicStaticVoid: Well the shell that you see in Touch called Unity 8 can be run on a laptop. so that's a yes to your question
[23:19] <nik90> it is obviously not yet suitable for a desktop yet. but the convergence work is undergoing.
[23:21] <nik90> PublicStaticVoid: here is a video of it running on a touchscreen laptop http://www.google.nl/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=9&cad=rja&ved=0CGwQtwIwCA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DK5BKtXpWN1A&ei=NJfIUsjKLenN0QXYz4HgDQ&usg=AFQjCNHstUcaddrkZ3z0ZtM_r_9oRJAiJQ&sig2=bkGNlR4TB2oKO4CE-O3RtQ
[23:22] <nik90> sorry that's a huge url. use this one -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5BKtXpWN1A
[23:23] <nik90> PublicStaticVoid: if you are on ubutu 13.10, you can install it using sudo apt-get install unity8
[23:24] <nik90> and then run by "unity8 -mousetouch"


 It wont give me the option to install some versions I have on a thumb drive like Ubuntu 20 (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3> @AngryAutos: I personally have found GNOME Boxes to be nice, even on Lubuntu. You can install it with "sudo apt install gnome-boxes".)
[16:03] <musicmanexus2290> Good afternoon! Please tell me, has anyone encountered problems configuring Openvpn?