[00:11] <valorie> hi folks, I had a person ask about touchpad settings being grayed out in Cosmic
[00:11] <valorie> they are for me as well
[00:11] <valorie> is this our settings? Plasma settings?
[00:11] <ngraham> it's in Plasma, not Kubuntu
[00:12] <ngraham> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=387153
[00:13] <valorie> thanks ngraham
[00:17] <valorie> I asked them to comment
[00:25] <ngraham> We had a GSoC student working on it but we had to fail him because he stopped working and didn't disclose an outside committment that made it hard for him to devote enough time to it, and after that he disappeared
[00:35] <valorie> oh that sucks
[00:35] <valorie> I hate losing students that way
[00:35] <valorie> did you have me contact the kid?
[00:36] <valorie> or rather, us admins
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[03:21] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[03:31] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[03:55] <valorie> that's awesome, @acheronuk
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[11:28] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
 @acheronuk, now in -release!
 Cosmic n disco?
 disco
 is it coming to the cosmic backports ppa?
 We have 5.14.3 in backports so far.
 is there plans for 5.14.4 in backports?
 (if not thats ok)
 @pizzadude, for cosmic it is built. I just need to do some install testing and then should be good to go for backports ppa
 @acheronuk, thanks dude, if i ever met you in real life which is highly unlikely i would buy you a beer
 🍺
 You can donate to KDE lol or send him money for beer on a money platform. Maybe paypal?
 @ahoneybun, i would but im poor
 when i get slightly less poor ill donate $5 or something to kubuntu / kde
 or both idk
 i once donated to the repo "getdeb" (i think last year) but then it disappeared a year later so hopefully kde doesnt disappear ; )
 ill probably donate to kde in a few days when i get more $$$
 the question is, who is in need of more money? the entire kde project or kubuntu?
 random kde issue and a fix: if you enable global menu in plasma then disable it after, your applications wont have menu bar anymore. so you need to type cd ~/.config and then sed -i -e 's/MenuBar=Disabled/MenuBar=Enabled/g' *rc
[15:26] <ngraham> pizzadude: please submit using bugs.kde.org
[15:26] <ngraham> Product: Plasmashell | Global Menu
 ok
 its already reported
 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385951
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 @acheronuk is this safe to upgrade?
 (Photo, 443x332) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/5rc39w7o/file_11141.jpg
 The following packages will be REMOVED: …   libbreezecommon4-5 libbreezecommon5-5
 I dunno, is it?
 sarcasm - _ -
 its the backports ppa
 @pizzadude, yes
 why are those packages removed?
 though there is a fix for the taskmanager coming soon
 @pizzadude, debian decided to put the files in an existing package, so those packages are no longer needed
 ah
 thanks
 i thought it was some important package related to breeze
[16:47] <mparillo_> I upgraded the daily ISO I installed a week or two ago. First tried with Discover, but it just hung, so used apt full-upgrade -y from the konsole. Re-booted my VM, and no dead kittens. Briefly used Discover, Dolphin, Kate, Konsole, System Monitor, System Settings from both krunner and the kicker. kinfocenter now reports Plasma 5.14.4, FW 5.52, Qt 5.11.2. Thanks acheronuk
[16:49] <mparillo_> BTW, I stretched the kinfocenter window and just noticed the copy to clipboard. Wow. How many times have I complained I cannot select text there.
[16:50] <ngraham> > I stretched the kinfocenter window
[16:50] <ngraham> Ugh, we need to fix the default size!
[16:50] <ngraham> can you file a bug please?
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[16:52] <mparillo_> You mean that the default size shows scrollbars?
[16:53] <ngraham> exactly
[16:53] <ngraham> will try to fix later today once I escape from git hell
[16:53] <mparillo_> I assume Kubuntu inherits that from KDE, so file it on BKO?
[16:54] <ngraham> correct
[16:55] <mparillo_> I think it is already reported: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=364767
[16:55] <ngraham> lovely, thanks
[16:55] <ngraham> that always looked so amateurish; I'll fix it
[16:57] <mparillo_> Thank you. I never really thought about it until I just realized it hides the Copy to Clipboard button. And, why can't it be klipboard? That would be k001.
 K00L
[16:59] <ngraham> that would just be kruel to our kommunity
[17:01] <mparillo_> Yes, valorie has advised me to grow up when I wanted Kubuntu to ship (and rename) kalligra.
[17:02]  * acheronuk wonders how big a patch we would need for that
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 @IrcsomeBot, just use sed and replace calligra with kalligra
 also upgrade to kde 5.14.4 went good thanks
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 ubiquity is broken in daily
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[18:48] <acheronuk> LP: #1805685
[20:10] <ngraham> Fixed https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=364767
[20:10] <ngraham> It'll be in the next Plasma LTS release(5.12.8)  so no backporting will be required
[20:29] <valorie> mparillo_: lol
[20:29] <valorie> was I ever that rude?
[21:31] <mparillo_> No, you were not rude, but you did say that names like konsole were a thing of the past.
[21:32] <valorie> it's true, although there are still some holdouts
[21:32] <valorie> lol
[21:32] <valorie> falkon
[21:32] <valorie> tht's a bit more subtle though
[21:32] <mparillo_> I love konsole. Same number of letters, meaningful, yet branded.
[21:33] <wxl> what's wrong with konsole??
[21:33] <valorie> well, I use yakuake usually
[21:33] <valorie> but yes, same thing
[21:33] <valorie> I don't mind some of the older names
[21:34] <valorie> but we don't have to bend ourselves into pretzels to name everything with a K
[21:34]  * mamarley always thought the "K" names were Kool.
[21:34] <wxl> oh i think it's fun
[21:34] <wxl> i mean it's hard to write acrostics sometimes (at least ones that don't seem entirely trite) but it's a fun exericse
[21:34] <wxl> despite the occassional pretzel bend
[21:36] <valorie> pretzels and cheese, great snack
[21:43] <valorie> well, I love it
[21:43] <valorie> my go-to browser
[21:44] <valorie> I've only used chrome like once every month or two
[21:51] <acheronuk> ubiquity MP here: https://code.launchpad.net/~rikmills/ubiquity/+git/ubiquity/+merge/359785
[21:52] <valorie> that's quick work acheronuk!
[21:53] <acheronuk> one commit, which already existed in another repo ;)
[21:55] <valorie> :-)
[21:55] <valorie> when the work is done, why redo?
 To get rid of old code that’s hard to change
 Im trying to fix three things in konsole over 3 months
 There’s 70 commits from me in konsole history just preparing code so I can do the changes I need
 .-.
[21:59] <valorie> that's the other side of it of course
[22:00] <valorie> thanks for all that work, @tomazcanabrava
[22:02] <ngraham> tomazcanabrava: are you getting close to being able to actually work on the features themselves?
 @ngraham, Yes
[22:07] <ngraham> awesome


[19:11] <mdeslaur> kees, sbeattie, jjohansen, jdstrand: ready?
[19:11]  * jjohansen \o
[19:11] <jdstrand> yep
[19:11]  * sbeattie waves
[19:15] <kees> \o
[19:15] <mdeslaur> yay!
[19:18] <mdeslaur> ok, I'll go first I guess
[19:18] <mdeslaur> this week I'm on triage, and then will write a test script for fuse
[19:18] <mdeslaur> that's it
[19:18] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: you're up
[19:19] <jdstrand> I am currently and will continue to work on testing the apparmor SRU in lucid-proposed
[19:20] <jdstrand> I hoped to get to it last week, but it got backburnered, in part due to the exim4 update that went out on friday
[19:20] <jdstrand> (which kees, mdeslaur and I all worked on)
[19:21] <jdstrand> there is another chromium-browser update that is imminent that I will need to shuffle into -security and test
[19:21] <jdstrand> I am on community this week
[19:21] <jdstrand> and I hope to get back to looking at dbus/ipc/apparmor after a several week hiatus
[19:22] <jdstrand> (due to holidays and non-dev security work)
[19:22] <jdstrand> that's it from me
[19:22] <jdstrand> sbeattie: you're up
[19:23] <sbeattie> I released an openssl update and tested/pushed out the clamav update that hallyn prepared.
[19:23] <sbeattie> I'm currently working on a testscript for openssh, as I have an update for it to publish sitting in the security-proposed ppa
[19:24] <sbeattie> I haven't made much progress on testing the apparmor sru, but I'm planning on getting to it this week.
[19:25] <sbeattie> I may pick up another update.
[19:25] <sbeattie> I think that's it for me, kees?
[19:25] <kees> I'm doing auditing this week; there's a lot of internal stuff to do.
[19:25] <kees> just sent an embargoed issue to vsec care of emgent
[19:26] <kees> I've got some MIR audits to do too
[19:26] <kees> and I need to upload the latest apparmor to natty
[19:27] <kees> jjohansen: is that stable again, ready for a push?
[19:27] <jjohansen> kees: not yet
[19:27] <jjohansen> I need to push out a couple of patches for sbeattie to review
[19:27]  * kees will wait again :)
[19:27] <jjohansen> I am working on that right now
[19:27] <jjohansen> and we should have some patches out today
[19:27] <kees> sweet
[19:28] <jjohansen> its all just minor cleanup work
[19:28] <jjohansen> atm
[19:28] <kees> okay, that's it from me.
[19:30] <kees> anyone have anything else?
[19:32] <jjohansen> well just the usual spiel of working on AA a bit, and being mostly distracted by other duties
[19:32] <jjohansen> oh and I am taking thursday and friday off :)
[19:32] <sbeattie> jjohansen: since when is that allowed?
[19:32] <sbeattie> :-)
[19:33] <jjohansen> its not, but amanda decided to change the rules
[19:33] <jjohansen> she wants her kitchen back
[19:33] <sbeattie> heh
[19:40] <jdstrand> hehe
[21:23] <FelipeSalto> eaee gente blz?


[00:00] <SiDi> 4.6.1 installed, rebooting :/
[00:01] <SiDi> oh btw, does anyone mind pastebining his menu.lst please ?
[00:02] <zoredache> SiDi: why?
[00:02] <SiDi> i'm missing some options and i can't remember
[00:02] <SiDi> wether its splash or nosplash
[00:03] <SiDi> and i think i'm missing quiet, too
[00:03] <SiDi> What do you have in the defoptions line, please ?
[00:03] <zoredache> http://pastebin.com/ff205018
[00:03] <SiDi> Thanks
[00:14] <basajaun> bye all
[00:16] <zerothis> is is possible to create a link or symlink that anyone can run but only root can delete?
[00:17] <charlie-tca> yes, should be able to make it executable by other but owned by root
[00:21] <zerothis> I've created a link owned by root, but I am able to delete is as a user. a symlink is the same. Is it possible that my usr is root? because there exists a separate root user
[00:22] <charlie-tca> permissions should be owned by root, in group root, only executable by other
[00:24] <zerothis> I think I did that chown root:root  , chmod 644 , chmod +x
[00:25] <Feisar> I just installed 9.04 and my rt2500 wifi card still connects at 1mb/s - 8.04 and 8.10 both did this, does anyone know if this going to be fixed?
[00:32] <SiDi> Finally \o/
[00:32]  * SiDi now officially uses gnome-keybinding and gnome-settings-daemon.
[00:32] <knome> :P
[00:32] <SiDi> :p
[00:33] <knome> where's the official announcement notes?
[00:33] <SiDi> I would post it to my blag, but i don't have any.
[00:33] <knome> duh.
[00:34] <SiDi> Honnestly, i'm very disappointed by this shortcut problem. It doesnt come from the migration script as even after wiping out the current shortcuts and reinstalling xfce's core packages it was still happening
[00:34] <knome> mmh.
[00:34] <SiDi> and it didnt happen at all in my jaunty rc testing distro
[00:34] <SiDi> I really really don't understand what went wrong, but it was bad. I just hope i'll hold till karmic:P
[00:35]  * knome farts loudly and asks to whine to xfce developers :P
[00:35] <SiDi> I spotted an interesting message on a debian bug tracker mailing list, related to exactly the same problem
[00:35] <SiDi> i'm gonna check this out later
[00:35] <knome> right
[00:38] <SiDi> knome, how is the finnish translation in jaunty ?
[00:38] <SiDi> It seems we had a lot of regressions in french :/
[00:38] <knome> i have no idea about the finnish translation.
[00:39] <SiDi> you're using it in english ? :P
[00:39] <knome> sure.
[00:39] <knome> always.
[00:40] <knome> http://ihasahotdog.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/funny-dog-pictures-this-dog-has-two-bones.jpg
[00:41] <SiDi> xD
[00:41] <BSE> I am using english as well
[00:41] <SiDi> Thats so true
[00:43] <BSE> if you can use english version, there is no reason to use translated one. maybe to be helpful in translation process [for example bug reports]
[01:05] <kora> hi im using xubuntu 8.10, what do i need to do, in order to make my action buttons or the quit button in the menu popup the shut down prompt? everytime i click quit, it just quits the session and im in gdm, any idea?
[01:13] <SiDi> kora, Apps -> Xfce settings -> Session & boot -> Check the checkbox 'prompt what to do when i click the quit button'
[01:13] <SiDi> (translation IS approximative :p)
[01:15] <kora> SiDi: thanks a lot wonder how that disappeared ^^
[01:15] <SiDi> kora, you're welcome
[02:04] <arrrghhh> what's the applet to control the volume in xfce?
[02:05] <arrrghhh> i had it in my startup before the jaunty update, and it's gone again.
[02:05] <charlie-tca> xfce4-mixer ?
[02:06] <arrrghhh> charlie-tca, that looks like it'll control the volume... hrm i wonder if i was using a gnome app before.  it integrated nicely next to the network manager.
[02:06] <charlie-tca> On the panel, just right-click the panel, left-click add to panel, add "volume control"
[02:07] <arrrghhh> der
[02:07] <arrrghhh> thanks!
[02:07] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[02:07] <arrrghhh> dunno why i never think of that.  damn work keeps putting my mindset to windows!
[02:08] <charlie-tca> yeah, work does tend to get in the way...
[02:09] <arrrghhh> i mean we run netware and linux for pretty much all our servers, but every desktop is windows.  i don't see this changing at all.  especially when we finally migrate off of edirectory.
[02:09] <arrrghhh> and pretty much all my support is desktop-based.  rarely do i get to build or work with server.
[02:12] <arrrghhh> ah well, i'm out.  thanks!
[02:16] <bigbrovar> has anybody installed xubuntu on a netbook, is there any major performance improvement over ubuntu
[02:19] <retour> issues with latest Xubuntu 9.04. How to re/configure network???
[02:21] <charlie-tca> retour: I do it the same way I have since hardy 8.04, using network-manager-applet in the panel
[03:16] <evilbug> if i update my system now will the update take a long time?
[03:49] <MTec007> after upgrading to 9.04 firefox does not save any changed made to preferences or bookmarks. what do i do to allow these changes to be saved?
[03:57] <igor1121> Good evening. I have a question. I just upgraded from 8.10 to 9.04 on my Lenovo T60p laptop. Now when I boot up the system seems to boot fine until X.org start at which point the screen is garbled and the machine seems frozen. When this happens I cannot switch to a different virtual console and the machine does not respond to CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE. Any ideas on what to do?
[03:58] <igor1121> BTW, I switched to using vesa driver in xorg.conf and it's still the same result. It's not a hardware issue since the livecd works fine.
[04:22] <forces> saluton
[04:44] <R1cochet> saluton
[05:08] <The-Kernel> I have a bit of a problem, when trying to burn a 7.5 gig ISO to a dvd, it says it wont fit...even though I got the ISO from a DVD...
[05:09] <The-Kernel> what's a program that can write it to the disc?
[05:14] <R1cochet> how big is the disc?
[05:15] <The-Kernel> 4.7
[05:15] <R1cochet> theres your problem
[05:15] <The-Kernel> but the ISO came off a 4.7 gig disc...
[05:15] <R1cochet> u sure
[05:15] <R1cochet> and how did u rip it?
[05:16] <The-Kernel> KB3
[05:17] <R1cochet> u sure the original was only 4.7?
[05:18] <zoredache_> why do you think it was only 4.7gb?
[05:18] <The-Kernel> Yeah, because it came off of a DVD+R that was only 4.7 to begin with
[05:19] <R1cochet> then y not copy the disc?
[05:20] <The-Kernel> I don't have it anymore :(
[05:20] <The-Kernel> I made a backup of it onto my HDD just in case it went away
[05:20] <The-Kernel> now that it has, I can't get it back on a disc!
[05:21] <R1cochet> mount the iso and grab what u need
[05:22] <The-Kernel> its a video
[05:22] <R1cochet> u can use "gmount-iso" for gui
[05:23] <zoredache_> how did you make a backup?
[05:24] <zoredache>
[05:24] <The-Kernel> What I did was select Copy DVD, the source was the DVD, the destination was into an ISO
[05:25] <The-Kernel> I used Brasero's to do that though...
[05:26] <The-Kernel> another question, any program that could take an avi video file, and burn in onto a DVD but be playable via a DVD player?
[05:27] <R1cochet> yea
[05:28] <R1cochet> DeVeDe
[05:28] <R1cochet> but i usually make svcd w/ it.  it can do a dvd tho
[05:29] <genii> Transcoding usually takes a while...
[05:41] <owen1_> i added 'XTerm*termName:  xterm-256color' to .Xresources and i run xrdb ~/.Xresources .   i open new xterm and type 'tputs colors' and get 8. any ideas how to set 256 colors on xterm?
[06:37] <R1cochet> when i  click on upgrade, update manager goes to sleep
[06:38] <R1cochet> nevermind
[07:27] <owen1_> how to add new fonts to ~/.Xresoures?  after adding them to ~/.fonts ? (btw, i can't see them in xfontsel)
[08:56] <kbmaniac> gee its quiet here - Just wanted to say 9.04 rocks - thanks guys for a fantastic release. :)
[09:20] <Sinister> why is the new amarok so damn slow anyone know
[09:22] <Slonkie> Might wanna ask the guys behind amarok, Sinister ? #amarok i think their in
[09:24] <knome> yes, #amarok
[09:33] <Sinister> id love to meet the idiot that puts sounds on everything open something bing close it bong
[09:52] <Sinister> how do i go to a differnt version older verizon of amarok?
[09:54] <R1cochet> what version
[09:54] <Sinister> what evers before this 2.
[09:54] <Sinister> i hate it
[09:55] <R1cochet> what about it?
[09:56] <Slonkie> i remember back in intreped i just installed the package "amarok" (Which was 1.4) but now that package is 2.x i believe
[09:57] <R1cochet> http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Download:Debian
[10:01] <Slonkie> Anyone have any idea how to add an network printer in xubuntu?
[11:16] <solotim> hello, all, quick question: How can upgrade to 9.04 from 8.04? except burning cd and reinstall.
[11:18] <Slonkie> did you try to run the update-manager ?
[11:18] <Slonkie> I think it'll tell you that an update is available!
[11:21] <solotim> Slonkie, yes, I want this way, but it does not tell me any new infomation
[11:21] <Slonkie> sec then
[11:21] <solotim> I turned something off before?
[11:22] <Slonkie> no idea
[11:22] <solotim> :) 3x
[11:22] <Slonkie> i can't seem to navigate on the xubuntu website
[11:22] <Slonkie> i know it's in the docs because i translated it once, but i can't find the damn docs anywhere lol
[11:23] <solotim> neither by google?
[11:23] <solotim> search the title?
[11:24] <Slonkie> ehm
[11:24] <Slonkie> well i found it now
[11:24] <Slonkie> but it should tell you in the top of the update-manager that an upgrade is available
[11:24] <Slonkie> or not..
[11:25] <Slonkie> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JauntyUpgrades see this link, solotim!
[11:25] <solotim> yes, it should, I have upgraded last year.
[11:25] <Slonkie> Sorry for all this confusing talk, i'm new at using xubuntu
[11:25] <solotim> maybe it's due to my 8.04 , not 8.10
[11:25] <Slonkie> oh! you'll have to upgrade to 8.10 and then 9.04
[11:25] <solotim> no, not confusing, :)
[11:26] <Slonkie> you can't do 8.04 -> 9.04
[11:26] <solotim> yes, I think so, but now, I can't see "8.04->8.09" button now
[11:26] <solotim> 8.10
[11:26] <solotim> sorry
[11:27] <Slonkie> try typing update-manger -d in terminal
[11:27] <solotim> wow, let me try
[11:28] <solotim> :D thank you !!!! Slonkie!
[11:28] <solotim> you are right, :)
[11:28] <Slonkie> Great :) no
[11:28] <Slonkie> np*
[11:40] <Photoguy> Any ideas for making Xubuntu boot faster?
[11:45] <Slonkie> I wonder, how do i make something keep it's place on the desktop? things like thunar etc?
[11:46] <nareshpunia> hello
[11:47] <nareshpunia> is OpenOffice included in Xubuntu
[11:47] <nareshpunia> can someone help me please
[11:48] <Slonkie> I don't think so
[11:48] <Slonkie> It wasen't in 8.10 atleast
[11:49] <nareshpunia> Slonkie: are u using Xubuntu
[11:49] <Slonkie> Yes i am
[11:50] <nareshpunia> which version
[11:50] <Slonkie> 9.04
[11:50] <nareshpunia> how is this and how fast is it
[11:50] <nareshpunia> i m planning to install
[11:50] <Slonkie> I like it
[11:51] <Slonkie> I don't know how fast it is.. how can one explain?
[11:51] <Slonkie> I think it's fast, but you might think something else. :)
[11:51] <nareshpunia> my system configuraton is p4 - 2.4 Ghz, 256 MB, 40 GB hard disk
[11:51] <nareshpunia> will it work fine or increase ram
[11:51] <Slonkie> I'd say it'll work fine
[11:52] <nareshpunia> how much difference is between Ubuntu and Xubuntu
[11:53] <Slonkie> xfce is more lightweight than gnome
[11:53] <nareshpunia> speciallly in Networking with other Windows XP pcs
[11:53] <nareshpunia> yea I heard about it
[11:53] <Slonkie> I must say so far i haven't been able to connect to my windows share
[11:53] <Slonkie> I might be doing something wrong tho
[11:54] <nareshpunia> but Ubuntu does it in default config
[11:54] <Slonkie> all right
[11:55] <nareshpunia> because my hardware configuration is so old that I should  switch to Xubuntu
[11:55] <nareshpunia> ok I will give a try and get back to this IRC again
[11:55] <nareshpunia> thanks
[11:55] <nareshpunia> and bye
[11:55] <Slonkie> GOod luck ;)
[11:55] <nareshpunia> Thanks
[12:15] <Slonkie> Anyone have any idea how to add an network printer in xubuntu?
[12:27] <solotim> hi, Slonkie, you can't access winXP box in you local network?
[12:27] <Slonkie> No so far i haven't been able to connect to my windows share
[12:27] <solotim> wait a miniute, I share you something
[12:27] <Slonkie> Cool
[12:29] <solotim> mount.cifs //<IP_ADDRESS>/'c$' /media/Bing_C -o username=XXX,password=XXX,iocharset=utf8,file_mode=0775,dir_mode=0775
[12:29] <solotim> as long as you can ping the winxp pc, you can mount its partition onto your xubuntu
[12:31] <Slonkie> so.. what's 'c$' ?
[12:31] <Slonkie> the foldername?
[12:32] <solotim> no, you windows C:\
[12:32] <Slonkie> I diden't share whole C:\
[12:33] <solotim> oh, then you can subsitute the 'c$' to the shared folder name
[12:33] <Slonkie> and i ain't got no password on my xp either
[12:33] <Slonkie> Should i just leave XXX ?
[12:33] <solotim> no, no
[12:33] <solotim> it's should be the username/pwd of you windows login
[12:33] <Slonkie> I don't have it password protected.
[12:33] <solotim> wow
[12:34] <solotim> it's unsafe anyway
[12:34] <solotim> try to use password.
[12:34] <Slonkie> It's not unsafe in local network lol
[12:34] <solotim> or you can use "administrator" t
[12:35] <solotim> maybe use your normal username, and leave the password blank
[12:35] <solotim> I am not something on this issue, but the command I offered works for me, and I create a script upon it.
[12:49] <Slonkie> doesn't work for me
[12:50] <Slonkie> Anyone have any idea how to add an network printer in xubuntu?
[13:21] <fantomedurezo> Hello
[13:21] <fantomedurezo> How can I mount hard drive on xubuntu?
[13:25] <Slonkie> what filesystem is that harddrive?
[13:27] <Ruadh> Hi all
[13:30] <Slonkie> Hello Ruadh !
[13:31] <fantomedurezo> ntfs
[13:31] <fantomedurezo> but with ubuntu there were noproblem
[13:31] <Slonkie> !ntfs3g | fantomedurezo
[13:31] <Slonkie> !ntfs3h
[13:31] <Slonkie> !ntfs3g
[13:32] <Slonkie> bot away
[13:32] <fantomedurezo> but I can't find the short-cut to sda
[13:32] <Slonkie> There is no shortcut, you'll have to mount your NTFS drives
[13:32] <fantomedurezo> and when I print sudo mount sda,
[13:32] <Kerio> hello
[13:33] <fantomedurezo> fstab say there isn't sda hard drive
[13:34] <fantomedurezo> On nautilus of ubuntu, I had to click on hard drive to mount it
[13:34] <fantomedurezo> but on nautilus of xubuntu, where are the hard drive???
[13:35] <fantomedurezo> I only see systm of file and the cd of xubuntu 8.10
[14:15] <floating> just installed xubuntu yesterday, kinda find it loading the cpu alot. im running a mp3 playlist with shorter than 1 minute tracks, and have a firefox window and a gnome-system-monitor mainly running. the processor is at 60-90% constantly, and my fans are keeping more noise than i have ever heard on windows xp
[14:19] <floating> why is cpu loading the processor when i dont have really anything happening in them
[14:20] <floating> i mean firefox
[14:22] <floating> ok, having ff tabs with some javascript loads it, but still closing those this is more demanding
[14:22] <floating> +fancy
[14:23] <Feisar> floating: type 'top' in a terminal and see what is taking up the cpu usage
[14:25] <floating> the gnome-system-manager shows these too, (except for xorg which takes around 10-15%)
[14:28] <floating> im looking for a system monitor tool that also shows some temperatures
[14:31] <mib_b8xdrc55> hello, xubuntu noob here
[15:04] <Kangarooo> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/gdm-guest-login   how to add tihs to wishlist for xubuntu also?
[15:07] <Kangarooo> :)
[15:13] <retour> In 9.04 network applet has issues. My net is working as configured during alternate install process but net applet in XFCE is not recognizing ANY network cards - everything is empty
[15:14] <retour> and there are no other icons apps allowing me to access NET configuration
[15:21] <mogul218_> are you connecting wirelessly or via ethernet?
[15:22] <retour> mogul218_, single ethernet card only
[15:23] <Kangarooo> This is big one --> In xubuntu there is no guest account logging button.. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/gdm-guest-login   how to add tihs to wishlist for xubuntu also?
[15:27] <mogul218_> retour go to system->administration->hardware drivers and make sure you don't need to activate a non propietary driver
[15:28] <retour> mogul218_, Thank You!
[15:29] <cheryl> Hello
[15:29] <mogul218_> retour no problem glad i could help
[15:30] <cheryl> I am a noob, can someone help me get an awe32 working?
[15:31] <cheryl> Thanks anyway
[15:31] <retour> mogul218_, hmmm not that easy - the only one I see there is already active NVidia driver - nothing about my old Intel net card
[15:32] <retour> cheryl, AWE32 PCI or ISA?
[15:32] <cheryl> I think it is PCI
[15:32] <cheryl> let me look, thanks for the help
[15:33] <retour> cheryl - what CPU?
[15:33] <mogul218_> retour is your ethernet on board or on a card?
[15:33] <cheryl> intel deshutes, PCI
[15:36] <retour> mogul218_, PCI card, network works fines - using it right now - only this net applet is totally blind
[15:37] <retour> cheryl, whats your problem? is your AWE visible in the system hardware?
[15:38] <cheryl> no, gstreamer says no sound hardware available
[15:38] <mogul218_> retour i'm going to switch to xfce desktop to see if i can see what you are talking about....are you referring to the default xubuntu network applet?
[15:40] <retour> mogul218_, Yes! the one on the top taskbar - top right corner
[15:41] <retour> and nothing else under Xubuntu default installed apps to access net config. And I've forgot all the commands from ifconfig if remember well
[15:41] <cheryl> retour- Is there a GUI way to install hardware or do I have use terminal?
[15:45] <retour> cheryl, do you see your audio card after "alsamixer" in the terminal?
[15:46] <cheryl> do I just type that in terminal?
[15:46] <retour> yes
[15:46] <cheryl> ok
[15:46] <retour> alsamixer + enter
[15:47] <cheryl> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[15:48] <cheryl> that is what came back in terminal
[15:49] <retour> hmm not good. I hope someone can help you. You have hardware problem. I use SB Live and in past 10 years of using linux never had audio hardware detection issues. Are you sure it is not on shared IRQ?
[15:50] <cheryl> Don't know how to tell that in ubuntu. The motherboard is plug and play compatible. I am scrounging parts an OS for poor friend.
[15:53] <floating> how do i know if the xubuntu install has installed good drivers for my integrated graphics card ?
[15:53] <retour> cheryl you can check it during boot when BIOS is listing all the data. Press Pause/Break to stop it and see if you have 2 devices using same IRQ
[15:53] <cheryl> Thanks for the help, I will check that.
[15:54] <retour> floating, if it works its good enoug BUT if you are a gamer and going for max performance you may like to install proprietary driver
[15:54] <Slonkie> Anyone have any idea how to add an network printer in xubuntu?
[15:56] <retour> Slonkie, what type of a printer? Connected via USB to other PC in the LAN?
[15:57] <floating> it doesnt work very well. watching youtube videos loads the processor a lot, and the image is a like a dia show
[15:57] <retour> floating, what card? ATI NVidia?
[15:57] <Slonkie> retour, it's connected to a "printer-server" from linksys
[15:57] <Slonkie> not a PC
[15:58] <retour> Slonkie, so I think it has own IP address in the net?
[15:58] <Slonkie> Yea
[15:59] <retour> Slonkie, well so I think just set it up properly in CUPS
[15:59] <Slonkie> i have no idea how to setup anything i cups
[15:59] <Slonkie> Is there a gui for this?
[16:01] <retour> Slonkie, Sure in Xubuntu go to /Applications/System/Printing and when Printing App opens click on Add new printer and select proper boxes - depending what type of net print protocol your linksys is using
[16:02] <floating> retour: it is this dell computer, but i cant find the info from here http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/opgx260/en/ug/index.htm
[16:04] <Slonkie> hmm thanks retour !! do you have any idea how i can search my lan for internal IPs?
[16:04] <retour> floating, I'm afraid that you computer has an onboard glraphic chip instead of independent full video card - but let me check your link
[16:05] <retour> Slonkie, I would rather manually configure your linksys device and than input this value to the CUPS print server
[16:06] <Slonkie> it is configured allready
[16:06] <Slonkie> And i can't manually configure it.
[16:07] <floating> yeah its onboard. on windows xp, i can install graphics drivers for the motherboard, which for example makes the youtube videos run smoothly. now on xubuntu, the videos are a dia show, just as they were on win xp prior the installation of those motherboards graphics drivers
[16:08] <Slonkie> Can one stop an downloading of a package?
[16:10] <retour> floating, Your video is just a part of the chipset Intel 845G - Research data about this chipset - graphic part but If I remember well it was designed for cheap office puters so dont expect too much. But research I may be wrong. In case I'm not you can always buy for few bucks old AGP graphics card
[16:11] <retour> Slonkie, If it's configure already read it's config or manual etc until than it;s just a black box for you
[16:11] <Slonkie> Lol
[16:12] <Slonkie> Will be scanning my network in windows then.
[16:12] <retour> sure
[16:12] <retour> Slonkie, what type/model I want to check on it
[16:12] <Slonkie> I don't know
[16:12] <Slonkie> It's at my school i'm not in charge of it
[16:12] <floating> oki, ill check abit later:)
[16:13] <retour> floating, I would Google "Intel845G Xubuntu drivers/problems"
[16:13] <retour> Slonkie,  HAXOR hehehe
[16:14] <floating> okthx, i get back to it after finland has beaten norway in hockey
[16:15] <retour> floating, haha OK don drink too much to celebrate it
[16:17] <cheryl> retour- I got it working, had to add the user in terminal, Apparantly that is necessary with latest version.
[16:18] <cheryl> Thanks so much for you help.
[16:18] <retour> cheryl, wait
[16:19] <cheryl> ok?
[16:19] <retour> How adding a user helps detecting audio hardware? Your old user didn't have enough privilidges???
[16:19] <cheryl> Hang on I will find the command again.
[16:21] <cheryl> "sudo adduser x audio" then rebooted
[16:22] <cheryl> got info at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardwareSupportComponentsSoundCardsCreativeLabs
[16:24] <cheryl> Now if I can just get my intel i740 graphics card to go to high def mode.
[16:24] <cheryl> I replace x with the account name i am using.
[16:28] <retour> cheryl, Ahh OK so your user was not allowed to use it - whacky! Google for it but don't expect stellar performance for in chipset graphic module.
[16:30] <cheryl> Do you know how I can increase the resolution on my i740 graphic card?
[16:32] <cheryl> The user issue is probably because I am auto logging the account in.
[16:34] <retour> cheryl, you need to have latest available drivers for it to get max. Are you in XFCE now?
[16:35] <cheryl> LOL, I think so.
[16:37] <cheryl> I downloaded the xbuntu iso last nite. This computer was loaded from it. I would think that the driver would be there.
[16:39] <retour> cheryl, so how about using XFCE graphics settings?
[16:40] <lakis1982> hello ... i upgraded the xubuntu 8.10 to xubuntu 9 jaunty ... i have a keyboard that has some multimedia keys ..... the problem is that since i upgraded xubuntu the two buttons for incresing decreasing volume of system, do not work anymore... they do not respond.. does anyone know why ??? any solutions ???
[16:40] <retour> Applications/settings/Display? No go?
[16:42] <cheryl> 800x600 is as high as it will go @ 60
[16:43] <retour> cheryl, OK so you have to manually edit X11 config
[16:44] <retour> /etc/X11 if I still remember it well
[16:44] <cheryl> How do I do that? LOL
[16:44] <cheryl> Is that the command?
[16:44] <retour> it's a bit tricky since I don't know if your chipset requires linemode or not
[16:45] <retour> cheryl, it's a file with detailed description for all the parameters for your video card
[16:45] <retour> you have to google for it. Make backup of your original config file in case something goes wrong and after reboot you will only have console mode
[16:46] <NTFS> YOU CANT SEE ME
[16:46] <cheryl> google for /etc/x11?
[16:47] <retour> cheryl, I use MC to navigate to folders and than edit file (F4)
[16:47] <retour> cheryl, Google for "i740 chipset X11 / config etc"
[16:48] <retour> cheryl, the file is /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[16:49] <retour> ok be back later - have luck
[16:49] <cheryl> ok, ok, thanks
[17:00] <lakis1982> hello ... i upgraded the xubuntu 8.10 to xubuntu 9 jaunty ... i have a keyboard that has some multimedia keys ..... the problem is that since i upgraded xubuntu the two buttons for incresing decreasing volume of system, do not work anymore... they do not respond.. does anyone know why ??? any solutions ???
[17:10] <lakis1982> hello ... i upgraded the xubuntu 8.10 to xubuntu 9 jaunty ... i have a keyboard that has some multimedia keys ..... the problem is that since i upgraded xubuntu the two buttons for incresing decreasing volume of system, do not work anymore... they do not respond.. does anyone know why ??? any solutions ???
[17:23] <Slonkie> lakis1982 do you see them as shortcuts in keyboard settings?
[17:23] <lakis1982> no
[17:23] <SiDi> lakis1982, i have exactly the same problem
[17:24] <SiDi> and couldnt solve it
[17:24] <SiDi> i ended up using gnome-keybindings instead of xfce's shortcuts
[17:24] <lakis1982> i am in settings > keyoboard >application shortcuts
[17:24] <Slonkie> okay lakis1982
[17:24] <lakis1982> do u have xubuntu jaunty?
[17:24] <Slonkie> lets try making them then
[17:24] <SiDi> Slonkie, can you please pastebin your .config/xfce4/xfconf/blabla/xfce4-keyboardblabla file please ?
[17:25] <lakis1982> ok slonkie
[17:25] <Slonkie> aumix -v-10 for your button that decreases volume
[17:26] <Slonkie> blabla? :P
[17:26] <lakis1982> slonkie u mean to put the command aumix -v-10   ??
[17:26] <Slonkie> Yes lakis1982 :)
[17:26] <SiDi> Slonkie, :)
[17:27] <lakis1982> cool man
[17:27] <lakis1982> it works
[17:27] <SiDi> .config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml   <- please pastebin it, i wanna compare with mine
[17:27] <lakis1982> and for the increse aumix -v+10 ?
[17:27] <Slonkie> then add aumix +v-10 increase
[17:28] <lakis1982> ok
[17:28] <lakis1982> do u know where these ccommands are placed?
[17:28] <Slonkie> placed?
[17:28] <Slonkie> sec SiDi !
[17:28] <SiDi> Thanks Slonkie
[17:28] <Slonkie> http://pastebin.com/m645bfb0
[17:28] <lakis1982> whre are they as commands ?   in usr/bin folder ???
[17:29] <Slonkie> Oh, i have no idea sorry
[17:29] <lakis1982> the correct commands is aumix -v+10
[17:30] <Slonkie> yes sorry
[17:30] <SiDi> thanks
[17:31] <lakis1982> thanks
[17:36] <topsyandpip56> Hello
[17:36] <topsyandpip56> Anyone?
[17:53] <floating> hmm, how can i see what video driver im using ? my /etc/X11/xorg.conf seem to be empty o.O
[17:56] <Besogon> What number have you got operational system? (8.10 or 9.04 or something else?)
[17:58] <floating> jaunty jackalope 9.04
[18:02] <Besogon> I hear many options you can find in reestr. (May be them put it in reestr in xubuntu, I dont know)
[18:02] <Besogon> Like in Windows.
[18:03] <knome> reestr?
[18:05] <Besogon> It in my language. I try to explain
[18:05] <Besogon> In windows you type REGEDIT for open it
[18:06] <floating> oh, there was a "hardware drivers" in the xfce menu. although when i open it, it doesnt find any drivers
[18:07] <Besogon> Then you use OPEN DRIVER
[18:08] <Besogon> What have you got graphics card? (nvidia, ati, intel)
[18:08] <floating> i would like to try some other driver for my Intel 845G onboard graphic card. when i google something, i get some old info on xorg.conf, but xorg.conf is empty
[18:10] <floating> when i typed: sudo lshw -c display, i get : description: VGA compatible controller
[18:10] <keonne> Hello
[18:10] <floating> product: 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device
[18:10] <floating> and some more info0
[18:11] <keonne> Im trying to do a clean install over my xubuntu 8.04 of Ubuntu 9.04
[18:11] <keonne> when I try to install it fails to launch the GUI and goes into terminal
[18:11] <keonne> I know the CD works because I used it just before on another computer
[18:12] <keonne> i?s there a way to install 9.04 from the command line
[18:12] <glitsj16> floating: "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep driver" might produce some more info on the X driver presently in use
[18:13] <Besogon> floating, xorg.conf work like in old version UBUNTU, you can use old "how to".
[18:13] <The-Kernel> none of the intrepid sources are resolving...
[18:13] <The-Kernel> anything going on?
[18:13] <The-Kernel> uh
[18:13] <The-Kernel> nevermind
[18:14] <floating> someone says in yahoo http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081204201509AAERoWO "The intel drivers are all built right into the Linux kernel." .... but am i using an open driver, or vga compatible controller ? and can i try some other driver and how
[18:15] <floating> Besogon: i can add things to my empty xorg.conf ?
[18:15] <knome> floating, sure.
[18:16] <Besogon> floating, sorry, I have worked only with nvidia. Why not? Just do backup your xorg.conf file
[18:17] <floating> ok. I just dont know where i can find the alternative driver :I the command glitsj16 gives more detailed info on .so files associated etc^^  ...hmm, i just dont know how i'd proceed now
[18:18] <floating> i know this is a poor graphics device, but its usable on win xp, while on linux it is not exactly usable. when i put a youtube video on full screen, it is a dia show
[18:19] <knome> floating, have you tried jockey?
[18:19] <floating> no
[18:22] <Besogon> Is dia mean Defense Intelligence Agency? huh
[18:22] <knome> !ot | Besogon
[18:22] <floating> lol no. it means the video is not watchable, the fps is <5
[18:25] <Besogon> floating, did you install flash player? May be it's stupid quastion../
[18:25] <glitsj16> floating: are you on jaunty ?
[18:26] <Besogon> glitsj16,  yes he is on jainty.
[18:26] <floating> yeah on jaunty. i installed the xubuntu-restricted-extras that installed flash, im not exactly sure which flash it uses, didnt see details
[18:27] <floating> but thats a good point, i could try some other flash
[18:28] <floating> there was some gnash and some other options
[18:28] <glitsj16> Besogon: thanks .. floating: there are some known performance issues on jaunty with Intel graphics cards, take a look at http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904#Performance%20regressions%20on%20Intel%20graphics%20cards for some things you can try to improve things
[18:28] <floating> i sdaw
[18:31] <floating> glitsj16: so if i want to edit those things to the device section in xorg.conf, do i just add a lonely device section to my empty xorg.conf file ?
[18:33] <glitsj16> floating: yes that should be picked up by X correct
[18:36] <floating> i read some people wondering why some other have empty xorg.conf, and they suggest running sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[18:36] <floating> hmm, maybe i could try that too ?
[18:38] <glitsj16> floating: worth a try i guess yes
[19:09] <floating> trying to revert with this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReinhardTartler/X/RevertingIntelDriverTo2.4 , but i dont get the instructions on the launchpad page on how to add GPG key :(
[19:13] <floating> there are info on validating own keys and adding keys. or about adding there is a link to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[19:14] <floating> but that page starts to talk about "generating pgp key"
[19:19] <ron_o> hey guys. When I d/l a youtube video I can retrive it from my /tmp directory. But sometimes on other sites I can't find the .flv file anywhere on my computer.
[19:19] <ron_o> any ideas where it could be?
[19:20] <ron_o> for Opera, I've checked the temporary download file.
[19:21] <ron_o> and the cache file..
[19:21] <ron_o> hmm.
[19:24] <glitsj16> floating: go to https://launchpad.net/~siretart/+archive/ppa and follow the instructions on the link provided there to add that repository's GPG key
[19:28] <artistxe> hope that ppl are alive today :)
[19:29] <artistxe> just updated to 9.04 and I am curious. is there a way to utilize xfce 4.6 without an upgrade. ?
[19:30] <ron_o> that reminds me. I've got to upgrade to 8.04. :)
[19:30] <artistxe> I may end up reverting due to lack of support for my (ahem) ati card.
[19:30] <ron_o> reverting?
[19:30] <ron_o> how so?
[19:30] <ron_o> just reinstall?
[19:30] <artistxe> yes. just do a complete reinstall]
[19:31] <ron_o> the thing is I just read an article that reminded of a way to keep everything no matter what, as long as your data is separate from your OS.
[19:31] <artistxe> I do.
[19:31] <ron_o> just copy all your data files from /home
[19:31] <artistxe> I keep everything in my home dir
[19:31] <artistxe> data that I work with that is
[19:31] <ron_o> and copy all the files from synaptic cache, and wallah.
[19:32] <ron_o> reinstall and you got it.
[19:32] <ron_o> hehe. easy.
[19:32] <Slonkie> "wallah" ??
[19:32] <artistxe> but I want to do it clean. I upgraded and kept my user profiles and such.
[19:32] <ron_o> eventually I'll get all my /home on a separate hard drive.
[19:32] <artistxe> but everything is crosswired.
[19:32] <ron_o> Slonkie, wha?
[19:32] <Slonkie> nvm lol
[19:32] <artistxe> I experimented too much with packages and dependencies
[19:33] <artistxe> Slonkie : "wallah" is a valid computer term. unlike the French "Viola"
[19:34] <artistxe> Voila rather. A Viola is a stringed instrument
[19:34] <Slonkie> yeah
[19:34] <artistxe> ____ a closed mouth gathers no feet
[19:34] <ron_o> anyways, I think I'll try an upgrade today... 8.04 should be pretty safe. :)
[19:35] <ron_o> hehe: feet.
[19:35] <ron_o> feat?
[19:35] <artistxe> uh. 8.10 is too scary for you ?
[19:36] <floating> glitsj16: seems like none of the methods http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904#Performance%20regressions%20on%20Intel%20graphics%20cards helped.. too bad :/ maytbe i just try the gnash and if it doesnt help, i will have to go use windows
[19:36] <ron_o> maybe it's 8.10. Don't know. It depends on what the upgrader allows me to go to.
[19:37] <glitsj16> floating: too bad indeed, why not fall back to xubuntu 8.10 for a few weeks untill the Intel graphics issue gets solved in 9.04 ? Goodluck :)
[19:37] <ron_o> it's 8.10.. yah.
[19:37] <artistxe> ron_o : the update manager may point you towards 9.04
[19:37] <ron_o> no, it doesn't. I just checked.
[19:38] <artistxe> 8.10 . that's it ?
[19:38] <ron_o> yah..
[19:38] <ron_o> I like being behind anyways.
[19:38] <ron_o> I don't do much, but right now I'd like it if I could get sound to my TV through my HDMI cable.
[19:38] <artistxe> if it works then don't change it maybe
[19:38] <ron_o> that's really the only reason why I need to upgrade as it is.
[19:39] <artistxe> ron_o, it is not your only OS. is it ?
[19:39] <ron_o> what?
[19:39]  * artistxe recommends everyone has a version of Puppy somewhere :)
[19:39] <ron_o> ahh, yes. I do.
[19:40] <ron_o> I have many live CDs.
[19:40] <artistxe> ron_o, is it your only operating system installed ?
[19:40] <artistxe> xubuntu ?
[19:40] <ron_o> installed, yes... but not liveCDs.
[19:40] <ron_o> I have other computers around if need be, if things go way too awry.
[19:40] <artistxe> oh. well maybe you will have to rely on one of those cds one day to do a recovery
[19:41] <ron_o> exactly. I've used them before.
[19:41] <artistxe> anyway. I am off for a bit. nice chatting with you
[19:41] <ron_o> well for recovery knoppix is all anyone would ever need.
[19:41] <ron_o> cya.
[20:01] <gorgut> hey folks. I'm trying to get my volume/mute keys to work on my Dell Latitude D600 laptop. I just did a fresh install of Jaunty. showkey sees the keypresses and apparently they're mapped to "XF86AudioLowerVolume" etc but they don't actually DO anything. Any ideas?
[20:09] <Slonkie> gorgut did you try adding the shortcuts in keyboard settings?
[20:09] <gorgut> Slonkie, i went into they keyboard settings and added them as shortcuts, but I'm not sure what to put as the command.?
[20:10] <gorgut> Slonkie, i added them as shortcuts to test their mapping, rather
[20:10] <Slonkie> all right
[20:10] <Slonkie> aumix -v-10 to decrease sound
[20:11] <Slonkie> aumix -v+10 to increase sound
[20:11] <Slonkie> aumix -v0 to mute
[20:12] <gorgut> Slonkie, brilliant. Thank you very much :D
[20:13] <Slonkie> heh no problem, your only number 3 today with that problem ;)
[20:13] <Slonkie> you're
[20:14] <gorgut> haha
[20:14] <gorgut> you're getting good at this by now, eh
[20:14] <Slonkie> :p
[20:19] <SiDi> Slonkie, why does it work for all of them and not me ? :'(
[20:20] <SiDi> but its ok, gnome-keybinding has nice interactions with notify-osd :D my system is sexy <3
[20:20] <Slonkie> lol
[20:20] <Slonkie> Well that's good then
[20:32] <gorgut> anyone recommend a good WYSIWYG html editor ?
[20:32] <gorgut> (besides seamonkey *groan*)
[20:33] <qdr> does anyone know a solution to this problem http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1137036
[20:38] <qdr> deeeep silence.. :S
[20:40] <cheryl_> hello
[20:42] <Slonkie> I'm trying to install amarok 1.4.10 but it tells me i need "the x headers", anyone know how i get these?
[21:20] <Mood> 9.04's new xfce removed the volume control from the panel -- how do i get it back?
[21:29] <Slonkie> Right click -> add -> mixer ?
[21:30] <Mood> Slonkie: this mixer seems like a different app from the prior version of xfce -- there was a little vertical bar that controlled volume ... what app was that called?
[21:32] <ron_o> actually, add 'volume control..
[21:33] <ron_o> I keep losing volume control on my panel all the time.
[21:33] <ron_o> don't know why.
[21:33] <ron_o> just have to readd it all the time.
[21:33] <ron_o> actually, I do know why. Ran panel in terminal....
[21:33] <Mood> what is the volume control app called?
[21:33] <ron_o> volume control..
[21:34] <Mood> where do you see that under "add new items"?
[21:34] <ron_o> under volume?
[21:35] <Mood> ron_o: what version of xubuntu are you running?
[21:35] <ron_o> 8.04
[21:35] <Mood> there is no 8.04
[21:35] <Mood> 8.10 or 9.04
[21:35] <Slonkie> 8.04 was the version before 8.10
[21:35] <Mood> hmm.... Slonkie- do you have volume?
[21:36] <Mood> under add new items?
[21:36] <Slonkie> No, i'm using Mixer
[21:36] <Mood> i don't think 9.04 has volume controls separately from mixer
[21:36] <Mood> :-(
[21:36] <Slonkie> i basicly only use it to see how much volume is on, to turn it up/down i use media buttons on my laptop
[21:36] <basajaun> hi all
[21:36] <Slonkie> !hi | basajaun
[21:38] <basajaun> drive permissions erratic in 9.04 but what a nice job of a version!!!
[21:38] <ron_o> Mood, that sucks.
[21:38] <ron_o> how about using some gnome panel app..
[21:39] <Mood> ron_o: yeah. ah well :-s maybe i should downgrade to 8.04 like you did
[21:39] <ron_o> or maybe you can download it separarely.. check.
[21:39] <ron_o> I never upgraded.
[21:39] <basajaun> 8.10 was easy all drive were immediately usable this is a nightmare
[21:39] <ron_o> do a synaptic search for it.
[21:39] <ron_o> I'm sure it's there.
[21:39] <Mood> ron_o: good idea
[21:40] <ron_o> it would be stupid not to be.
[21:40] <ron_o> plus there's some app that you can run all gnome applets on a xubuntu panel. So, you'll find something.
[21:40] <ron_o> good to know. No way would I upgrade if that were the case.
[21:41] <ron_o> I use that function more than anything else me thinks.
[21:42] <Mood> ron_o: yeah me too when playing audacious. sh!ite
[21:43] <acb3> hello?
[21:43] <acb3> I have lost my menu editor upgrading from 8.10 to 9.04
[21:43] <ron_o> a good a buy.. :)
[21:44] <ron_o> j/k.
[21:44] <acb3> can anyone tell me how to get it, or what file to edit by hand?
[21:44] <ron_o> acb3, I can't. I'm still on 8.04.. it's just one reason why I stay way behind the times.
[21:44] <acb3> because right at the moment I have an enormously overstuffed desktop menu
[21:45] <acb3> ron_o: it works in 8.10 :-)
[21:45] <ron_o> yah, like 6 months ago. :)
[21:45] <ron_o> of course it did.
[21:46] <ron_o> I bet you lost your menu editor file in the upgrade.
[21:46] <acb3> yup. But what _should_ it be called?
[21:47] <acb3> surely I can find it and re-edit it ... my flash plugin seems also to have gone, though it is marked as installed
[21:49] <Slonkie> anyone in here using Jaunty and Amarok 2.0.2?
[21:50] <Mood> ron_o: is your volume control part of mixer? or does it look like a different app entirely?
[21:51] <ron_o> different app.
[21:51] <ron_o> it says: "Volume Control".
[21:52] <Mood> ron_o: faak. ok. thanks ron_o
[21:53] <ron_o> http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/tag/volume/
[21:53] <ron_o> part of your solution.
[21:53] <ron_o> faak?
[21:54] <Mood> faak = faakkk!! :-)
[21:56] <ron_o> bbiab
[22:02] <Ultraputz> i've hit a snag -- basically, in the jaunty upgrade, it failed to update the uuid that cryptroot is assigned, and so the machine fails to boot and drops to busybox in initramfs.
[22:02] <SiDi> Ultraputz, you can still fix it
[22:02] <SiDi> its really boring but you can
[22:02] <Ultraputz> i hope so :-)
[22:02] <SiDi> i ended up in the same situation, without livecd/liveusb/other pc
[22:03] <Ultraputz> me too
[22:03] <SiDi> when you're  in the initramfs console
[22:03] <Ultraputz> my optical disc is broken
[22:03] <SiDi> type mkdir potatoe
[22:03] <Ultraputz> so if you know the dharma, lay it on me.
[22:03] <SiDi> then mount /dev/sda1 potatoe (assuming your system is in sda1)
[22:03] <SiDi> then cd potatoe/boot/grub
[22:03] <SiDi> then it's gonna be tricky
[22:03] <SiDi> you'll cat menu.lst
[22:03] <SiDi> and use echo "blabla" >> menu.lst to copy each line of one boot entry LINE BY LINE
[22:04] <Ultraputz> ok...
[22:04] <SiDi> and you'll change the root=UUID=blable in root=/dev/sda1
[22:04] <Ultraputz> slow down
[22:04] <SiDi> then you'll have the option at next boot, and it'll work
[22:04] <basajaun> bye all
[22:04] <Ultraputz> both machines have bad keyboards, and mount is not working
[22:04] <SiDi> go there, i'll tell you the commands accurately :)
[22:04] <SiDi> mount should work
[22:04] <SiDi> just type it till it works :P
[22:04] <SiDi> and try with -t ext3, too
[22:05] <SiDi> or ext4 if you use ext4
[22:05] <Ultraputz> "mount: mounting /dev/sda1 on potatoe failed: invalid argument"
[22:06] <knome> lol
[22:06] <Ultraputz> it's an encrypted disk...
[22:06]  * knome broke the left armrest of his working chair
[22:06] <Ultraputz> there we go
[22:06] <Ultraputz> i did mount /dev/disk/by-uuid/*
[22:06] <Ultraputz> (only one entry)
[22:07] <Ultraputz> SiDi -- there's nothing available initramfs that would enable a search and replace, rather than line by line echo facility, would there be >
[22:08] <SiDi> Ultraputz, i'm writing you a quick guide in a pastebin, sec
[22:08] <SiDi> Ultraputz, i tried vi/vim/nano, didnt work
[22:08] <Ultraputz> i get what we're doing...
[22:08] <Ultraputz> ok
[22:08] <SiDi> knome, congratz
[22:08] <knome> \o/
[22:08] <Ultraputz> for editing, i was using echo -e "<>\n<>" > file
[22:09] <SiDi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/158133/ Ultraputz
[22:09] <SiDi> I dont know about echo's advanced syntax
[22:10] <SiDi> i did line by line
[22:10] <SiDi> and use >>, not >
[22:10] <SiDi> > erases the file :P
[22:10] <Ultraputz> \n allows a linefeed
[22:10] <SiDi> well, it was writing an actual \n when i tried :D
[22:10] <Ultraputz> echo -e, among other things, allows \n to be recognized as a linefed, so you can enter a bunch of lines on a single line and then no append necc.
[22:10] <SiDi> thats why i did it line by line
[22:10] <SiDi> thanks for the tip :)
[22:10] <Ultraputz> that's what echo -e fixes :-)
[22:11] <SiDi> ofc after you've booted with the tmp boot entry, edit your file correctly
[22:12] <Ultraputz> this paste bin -- brilliant approach
[22:12] <Ultraputz> well done, btw
[22:13] <SiDi> thanks :)
[22:13] <Slonkie> I'm trying to compile amarok, but i'm getting this error: in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[22:13] <Slonkie> So, check this please and use another prefix!"
[22:14] <Slonkie> Would anyone be able to help me with it?
[22:15] <SiDi> err
[22:15] <Ultraputz> sidi -- however, i have realized this will not fix my problem
[22:15] <SiDi> Ultraputz, why so ?
[22:15] <Ultraputz> because the problem is IN initrd.img
[22:15] <SiDi> oh, its not the boot entry ?
[22:15] <Ultraputz> no
[22:15] <SiDi> you compiled your kernel with the disk UUID ? Oo
[22:15] <Ultraputz> i did not
[22:15] <Ultraputz> upgrade did
[22:15] <SiDi> can't be :O
[22:16] <SiDi> try to boot on <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:16] <Ultraputz> ok
[22:16] <SiDi> it should still be here
[22:16] <Ultraputz> in conf/conf.d/cryptroot
[22:16] <Ultraputz> it specifies the old uuid for the disk, pre-upgrade.
[22:16] <Ultraputz> it changed it
[22:16] <Ultraputz> so whenever i restart, it fails, because it cannot find the old uuid
[22:16]  * SiDi really doesn't know about crypted partitions though !
[22:16] <Ultraputz> that's the problem
[22:16] <SiDi> that's the problem of UUIDs for partitions...
[22:16] <Ultraputz> what i need to know is how to actually specify the correct one to boot to to go back and fix the problem init initrd.
[22:17] <SiDi> there actually are less chances that your /dev change than your UUIDs
[22:17] <Ultraputz> i don't understand a) why it changed the uuid, and b) if so, how that was missed in testing.
[22:17] <SiDi> try to boot with your old <IP_ADDRESS> kernel
[22:17] <Ultraputz> i tried everything on the menu
[22:17] <SiDi> build a menu entry without UUID, with <IP_ADDRESS>. Did you do this ?
[22:17] <J_Litews1i> ok, problem
[22:17] <Ultraputz> ... grub is fine
[22:17] <Ultraputz> it can boot the machine
[22:18] <Ultraputz> but it can't get past LUKS
[22:18] <Ultraputz> because it can't find the disk to decrypt
[22:18] <J_Litews1i> i screwed up, and now everytime i double click on a mousepad file, it runs sudo
[22:18] <Ultraputz> it's being given the wrong information by something set in the ram image
[22:18] <J_Litews1i> how do i fix it?
[22:18] <Ultraputz> right click the file and change the association
[22:19] <Ultraputz> right click, open with
[22:19] <J_Litews1i> since it freezes the X Server, and I can't kill the sudo process
[22:19] <Ultraputz> and change the app
[22:19] <J_Litews1i> ah, ok
[22:19] <Ultraputz> cool litewsli ?
[22:19] <SiDi> Ultraputz, then there's nothing i can do for you :/
[22:19] <J_Litews1i> now, without killing X, how can i kill the sudo process?
[22:20] <Ultraputz> reboot :-)
[22:20] <Ultraputz> oh
[22:20] <Ultraputz> kill -9
[22:20] <Ultraputz> ps aux | grep sudo
[22:20] <Ultraputz> find the proc id and kill -9 <id>
[22:20] <J_Litews1i> ok
[22:20] <Ultraputz> kill -9 is a bad habit, btw :-)
[22:21] <Ultraputz> Sidi -- thanks anyway -- your pastebin should be posted at ubuntuforums
[22:21] <Ultraputz> that could be very useful for the person with the right problem
[22:22] <J_Litews1i> thankyou Ultraputz
[22:22] <SiDi> Ultraputz, i'll consider this if i don't forget ^^
[22:22]  * Ultraputz brings a chicken to the altar to sacrifice and summon TheSheep.
[22:23] <knome> o.O
[22:26] <Ultraputz> bbl
[22:29] <SiDi> bb Ultraputz
[22:30] <SiDi> Btw, knome's chair is a good chicken candidate, for its offensive armrest breakage !
[22:31] <knome> hehe
[22:31] <knome> sure
[22:45] <ron_o> egads..
[22:45] <ron_o> man.
[22:45] <ron_o> I screwed up when I made my boot partition. I made it only 100MB and now I dumb run out of space to upgrade.
[22:45] <ron_o> can I just delete everything except the kernal I am using and then upgrade?
[22:49] <cheryl> Hello?
[22:49] <knome> !hi | cheryl
[22:49] <ron_o> aye
[22:50] <cheryl> Thanks, glad to be here. Anybody out there know how to get an i740 intel graphic card working correctly?
[22:51] <cheryl> I am running on the latest .iso.
[22:53] <ron_o> well, I'd check to see if it runs in knoppix or some other liveCD to track down what might be wrong.
[22:53] <ron_o> you can use commands to see if your computer even recognizes the card to begin with.
[22:53] <ron_o> and beyond that, you're probably going to have to find the correct driver for it to work.
[22:53] <cheryl> What is the command to sse.
[22:53] <cheryl> *see
[22:54] <ron_o> there's quite a few..... in root:   $lspci   or ... $dmidecode
[22:54] <ron_o> is the card ati?
[22:55] <cheryl> no, it is an intel i740 agp card
[22:55] <ron_o> I don't know much about graphics cards, but there are some that are more supported than others.
[22:56] <cheryl> I have been fighting it all day. From what I have read, there is a driver included in the image, but it does recognize the card on install.
[22:57] <ron_o> what's the cards name again?
[22:58] <ron_o> cheryl, ?
[23:00] <cheryl> It is an intel i740. dmidecode says it is unknown.
[23:00] <cheryl> Sorry I was searching the output from dmidecode.
[23:01] <cheryl> Handle 0x0012, DMI type 9, 13 bytes
[23:01] <cheryl> System Slot Information
[23:01] <cheryl> 	Designation: AGP1
[23:01] <cheryl> 	Type: 32-bit AGP
[23:01] <cheryl> 	Current Usage: Unknown
[23:01] <cheryl> 	Length: Long
[23:01] <cheryl> 	ID: 8
[23:01] <cheryl> 	Characteristics:
[23:01] <cheryl> 		3.3 V is provided
[23:01] <knome> !pastebin | cheryl
[23:01] <cheryl> 		PME signal is supported
[23:01] <ron_o> yah, use pastebin.
[23:01] <ron_o> I see. It's not ati.. it's intel.. yuck.
[23:01] <ron_o> it may not be supported on linux.
[23:02] <ron_o> no doubt its driver support is proprietary, patented and secret to the linux world.
[23:03] <cheryl> k, it has been pastebinned. LOL
[23:03] <cheryl> intel created the chipset
[23:04] <ron_o> you need to show the URL.
[23:04] <ron_o> anyways, there's an xorg driver out there for your card: http://packages.ubuntu.com/it/hardy/xserver-xorg-video-i740
[23:04] <cheryl> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/158154/
[23:05] <ron_o> in synaptic package manager, search for intel i740
[23:05] <ron_o> see if it's installed.
[23:06] <cheryl> I think I already did, but I will check again to make sure.
[23:09] <cheryl> it found it says it is installed. Do I uninstall and reinstall?
[23:09] <cheryl> Or mark for reinstall?
[23:10] <ron_o> no, your xserver ain't recognizing it.
[23:11] <cheryl> How do I make it do that?
[23:11] <ron_o> you're going to have to reconfigure your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[23:11] <ron_o> however, I can't help you out much with that.
[23:12] <ron_o> the good news is your card is recognized, the bad news is that it's not recognized autamatically.
[23:12] <cheryl> Thanks for you help. I have been editing that file all day. I have a friend at work how is an ubuntu junkie, if i have to i will get his help.
[23:13] <ron_o> here's something for you
[23:13] <ron_o> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+question/60060
[23:13] <ron_o> yah, get his help
[23:14] <ron_o> just make a backup of xorg.conf file and have a liveCD handy just in case.
[23:14] <ron_o> something like knoppix will do. But make sure it works before you go screwing around. :)
[23:14] <ron_o> hehe, just thought of this. LiveCDs are the condoms of the linux world!
[23:15] <ron_o> one difference, you use it only *after* you get into trouble. :)
[23:17] <cheryl> Thanks, what is a livecd, the ubuntu image?
[23:17] <ron_o> well it can be..
[23:17] <ron_o> look up knoppix and see.
[23:18] <ron_o> basically a live operating system that runs off a CD/DVD
[23:18] <ron_o> great for emergencies/hacking and even backup.
[23:19] <ron_o> can anyone tell me why the upgrade process needs like 88MB in my boot partition?
[23:19] <ron_o> damn..
[23:19] <ron_o> what a pain!
[23:22] <cheryl> Well, here goes. Time for the reboot. (maniacal laughter)
[23:26] <ron_o> well, upgrading. Hope all goes well here.
[23:27] <ron_o> working?
[23:27] <ron_o> did you make a backup of your old xorg.conf ?
[23:28] <ron_o> getting 1100 KB/s here. Not a bad connection at all.
[23:34] <cheryl> nope, I have so many backups it is pointless to do that. I have the orginal from when started this morning.
[23:34] <cheryl> I just tried something else in that thread, I am not too optimistic though the last post said he still had not gotten it working.
[23:54] <D-Lyrium> hmm, my laptop refuses to boot from a USB stick.
[23:54] <D-Lyrium> any ideas as to why?
[23:54] <D-Lyrium> it's the xubuntu .iso file that's on there
[23:55] <D-Lyrium> trying to install xubuntu
[23:55] <ron_o> D-Lyrium, I'm sure you have to do  more than just put the iso on the USB stick.
[23:56] <D-Lyrium> oh. That's all I was told to do ¬_¬
[23:56] <ron_o> I've never done it before, however. But have read websites describing the process.
[23:56] <quickdraw> I'm a bit of a newb, but i'm pretty sure there is a seperate way to run it from a USB drive.
[23:56] <quickdraw> But i'm blanking on it atm.
[23:56] <ron_o> If you have Windows I hear that Nero has a USB burner on there.
[23:57] <ron_o> some day I'll try it, but until I get at least a 4GB or better an 8GB USB drive, there's no use trying.
[23:58] <ron_o> wow, my upgrade is now at 245KB/s. I wonder if my ISP is slowing me down.
[23:59] <ron_o> most likely.


[01:59] <danbe> ~
[02:04] <danbe> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[12:52] <stgraber> I'm working on a preseed file and I would like to partition the first disk doesn't matter if it's scsi or ide, I saw somewhere that we can use /dev/disc/disc0 or something like that but I don't see such a file in Edgy's debian-installer /dev/ directory
[12:52] <stgraber> any idea of how to do that anyway ?
[01:43] <cjwatson> stgraber: it's fiddly in pure preseed; Kickstart does it by writing out a partman hook
[01:43] <cjwatson> stgraber: you could use Kickstart just for that and preseed for everything else ...
[01:44] <cjwatson> ('clearpart --all' is implemented to clear just the first disk at present, although that may change in future)
[01:44] <cjwatson> /dev/discs/disc0/disc dates from dapper and before and isn't usable now that we've killed off devfs
[02:01] <stgraber> ok, thank you for the info


[08:11] <ochosi> hi everyone, any more feedback on greybird gtk3?
[09:40] <Olbi> hello :)
[09:41] <Olbi> when will be daily iso's?
[11:50] <Olbi> ok, let's start testing next daily iso :D
[13:45] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[13:59] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: one for you to look at, please - Bug 832794
[14:01] <charlie-tca> well, never mind. It appears you are too fast for me
[14:26] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu alternate images just posted; please sync or download now to test them
[14:33] <Olbi> i done it, ned only testing now
[14:35]  * madnick current have 18 Xubuntu Virtual machines O_o
[14:38] <charlie-tca> Olbi: if you done it early, you don't have today's alternate images
[14:38] <Olbi> I have now LiveCD
[14:38] <Olbi> 64 bits
[14:38] <charlie-tca> Okay
[14:38] <charlie-tca> The desktop images worked today, but the alternate images had to be done again
[14:38] <Olbi> madnick: for what so many?:P
[14:39]  * charlie-tca only has about 80 VBox machines set up
[14:39] <madnick> Ive been doing alot of testing :) Mostly for Plymouth and LightDM
[14:39] <madnick> They changed stuff almost every day for a while :P
[14:40] <charlie-tca> which reminds me, I have to remove some old releases again, my VBox partition is 90% full
[14:42] <charlie-tca> OTOH, my oneiric is giving me headaches. I have to ssh in to run some commands to reboot the machine, or it hangs with no mouse or keyboard.
[14:43] <madnick> todays image?
[14:45] <charlie-tca> no, my install I had since alpha1
[14:45] <charlie-tca> Just the machine I use daily
[14:45] <madnick> oh :
[14:45] <charlie-tca> The new installs don't seem to have that problem
[14:46] <charlie-tca> I think I will just reinstall for beta1, it should be a good time for it now
[14:46] <madnick> Beta 1 is tonight right?
[14:47] <charlie-tca> no, freeze is tomorrow, but beta1 won't be out for another week. We start testing it Tuesday
[14:47] <madnick> okay :)
[14:48] <charlie-tca> This weekend images are the first ones that might be used for beta1
[14:51] <ochosi> madnick: how did the lightdm stuff go yesterday?
[14:52] <madnick> ochosi: :(
[14:52] <ochosi> that means "not well"?
[14:52] <madnick> ochosi: no time to finish, we are using a slighly modified version of gtk-example-greeter
[14:52] <ochosi> screener?
[14:53] <madnick> 1 sec
[14:53] <madnick> http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/changes.png
[14:53] <ochosi> hm right
[14:53] <ochosi> it's a bit boring but then again better than nothing
[14:53] <madnick> + droid sans
[14:53] <madnick> Yeah
[14:54] <ochosi> a pity you couldn't make those grey areas translucent black
[14:54] <madnick> yup
[14:54] <knome> huh, we're back at *that*?
[14:55] <knome> what happened?
[14:55] <ochosi> hey knome
[14:55] <madnick> UI Freeze
[14:55] <knome> right..
[14:55] <madnick> But
[14:55] <knome> but is the other lightdm theme ready anyway?
[14:55] <knome> so, we might get it in with FFe?
[14:56] <madnick> No its not ready, thats the problem
[14:56] <knome> what's not ready in it?
[14:56] <madnick> It would take quite some time
[14:56] <madnick> Alot of stuff :) the theming might be close to ready
[14:56] <ochosi> even applying the theming of the mockups to the gdm-greeter layout would make it look a lot better
[14:56] <charlie-tca> There won't be an FFe for UI freeze
[14:56] <madnick> But there is some stuff, like handling sessions, autologin, and list users etc
[14:58] <madnick> We'll get them next release :P
[15:00] <madnick> Perhaps could've finished it im time, if real life didn't need me 4 hours per day almost every day :(
[15:12] <charlie-tca> Well, let's get it done in time for alpha1. That gives time to make improvements!
[15:14] <Unit193> Is it going to be uploaded to a PPA for Oneiric so you can install it later?
[15:14] <knome> SRU?
[15:15] <charlie-tca> Let's wait until we actually have it working before trying to SRU it, huh?
[15:15] <knome> yes master
[15:15] <charlie-tca> Get it working in the development release to Backport or SRU it to Xubuntu 11.10.
[15:16] <charlie-tca> Oh! That means waiting until the next development release, doesn't it?
[16:52] <mr_pouit> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=639151
[16:52] <mr_pouit> if it's not fixed in 0.9.3, I'm sure the release & security teams must be very happy right now
[16:55] <ochosi> uuh, nice...
[17:06] <mr_pouit> greybird 0.2.2 uploaded
[17:07] <ochosi> mr_pouit: ty
[17:14] <charlie-tca> Didn't we file something like that a long time back, and get told it was not going to be fixed?
[17:15] <charlie-tca> (long time back == this cycle)
[17:34] <mr_pouit> security issues? no, we didn't file anything like that afaik
[17:34] <mr_pouit> 16bit plymouth theme uploaded
[17:34] <charlie-tca> I thought we had one about lightdm screwing up with pam
[17:34] <charlie-tca> oh, well
[17:34] <charlie-tca> great about the plymouth theme!
[17:47] <mr_pouit> now, /away to install my new hard drive
[17:48] <charlie-tca> Good luck and have fun
[17:49] <micahg> charlie-tca: aisleriot is back in the archive, should I reseed it for beta 1?
[17:49] <charlie-tca> If it works, sure
[17:50]  * micahg will test it
[17:50] <micahg> late tonight :)
[17:50] <charlie-tca> Hell, I can run updates and see if it is there?
[17:53] <micahg> charlie-tca: if you can, that would be great, just leave me a ping with the info, will be afk for a while
[17:54] <charlie-tca> micahg: how do I force it to upgrade?
[17:54] <charlie-tca> Installed: 1:3.0.2-0ubuntu1
[17:54] <charlie-tca>   Candidate: 1:3.1.1-0ubuntu1
[17:54] <charlie-tca> nm
[17:54] <charlie-tca> it is in upgrades now
[17:54] <charlie-tca> will run it and see
[17:57] <charlie-tca> micahg: working now. Let'
[17:57] <charlie-tca> let's go ahead and seed it again
[17:57] <micahg> charlie-tca: k, will do later, that'll pick up the platform seed changes as well (new printer drivers)
[17:58] <charlie-tca> Okay
[17:58] <charlie-tca> Thanks for watching for that
[18:03] <ochosi> hey micahg
[18:04] <ochosi> i have some gmusicbrowser/freeze-related questions for you if you have time
[18:06] <micahg> ochosi: if it's quick, I'm about to leave for several hours
[18:06] <micahg> will be back around 12:00 UTC
[18:06] <micahg> oops
[18:06] <micahg> 0:00 :)
[18:06] <ochosi> ok, i'll make it very quick:
[18:06] <ochosi> new gmb-release is due in the next two weeks, will that be early enough for you to get the packages into oneiric?
[18:07] <micahg> ochosi: UI freeze is today :(
[18:07] <micahg> err, tomorrow
[18:07] <ochosi> right, but it's not really an UI issue, is it?
[18:08] <micahg> ochosi: I have no idea what changes you're making, if it's bug fix only, sure
[18:09] <ochosi> micahg: hm, nah, not really bugfix-only
[18:10] <ochosi> micahg: our ppa (shimmer) contains the latest gmusicbrowser from git (which is stable) plus the modifications we already have in natty
[18:10] <ochosi> would you consider simply pushing that package to oneiric?
[18:11] <ochosi> i know that usually you tend to get packages through debian first, but since there is no release atm, there's nothing to update in debian
[18:11] <micahg> ochosi: well, I suggest preparing an FFe bug then, if you get an ACK, I can push it in, we could do a snapshot first then release, but feature freeze was 2 weeks ago
[18:12] <ochosi> micahg: right, i see. i guess i was absent at the wrong time
[18:12] <ochosi> micahg: k, then let's skip it
[18:12] <micahg> ochosi: we can push the snapshot through Debian also (happens often), but if a release is expected, I'd push to snapshot to Ubuntu, then the release through Debian (assuming we're before beta 2)
[18:13] <ochosi> yes, that's what i thought would be ok
[18:13] <micahg> ochosi: we still need a freeze exception
[18:13] <micahg> !ffe | ochosi
[18:13] <ochosi> micahg: yeah, i know, not sure i have the time to deal with that this week
[18:14] <ochosi> micahg: i already spent my "foss-time" trying to get greybird's gtk3 into shape
[18:14] <ochosi> but anyway, thanks for the heads up, i guess we can get a new version more easily in oneiric+1
[18:14] <micahg> ochosi: well, we'll be frozen next week for beta 1, so when you get a chance, you can file for it, I"ll hold off until there's an ACK though
[18:15] <micahg> ochosi: we can always get the new version in Debian and sync right after release, but if it's important, there's still time for exceptions
[18:15] <ochosi> micahg: ok, well sure there are a lot of bugfixes, but also a few new features...
[18:15] <ochosi> micahg: k, i have taken enough of your time (and in fact i have to leave now too)
[18:16] <micahg> ochosi: so you can try for the exception, ubuntustudio is also affected BTW
[18:16] <ochosi> micahg: why? are they also shipping gmusicbrowser?
[18:16] <micahg> ochosi: apparently
[18:17] <ochosi> micahg: interesting, had no idea they did
[18:17] <ochosi> micahg: ok, i'm off now, i'll ping you if i get to filing the FFe bug
[18:18] <micahg> ochosi: sorry, usually not in a rush, but I'm actually off today
[18:45] <astraljava> Alright, finally got the seeds in order for Studio, time to test Xubuntu images.
[18:46] <charlie-tca> nice
[18:47] <astraljava> So, desktop 32-bit manual partitioning it is.
[18:50] <astraljava> Hehe, last I zsynced that image on this machine was early June. Target was still 19.7% complete, though. :D
[18:51] <astraljava> #################### 100.0% 10097.2 kBps DONE
[18:51] <astraljava> Gotta love this connection.
[19:03] <charlie-tca> no, I don't. I kinda of hate it
[19:04] <charlie-tca> I get a whopping 150kBps on a good fast day
[19:47] <charlie-tca> hm, This just seems so wrong :(
[19:48] <charlie-tca> 171.58 minutes ETA to sync edubuntu 64bit
[19:48] <charlie-tca> Sure glad I have 46% anyway ;)
[19:55] <charlie-tca> Now I remember why I quit syncing those images
[19:55] <Unit193> I found I got much faster speeds when I just downloaded the entire file :P
[19:56] <charlie-tca> nope
[19:56] <charlie-tca> took me like 8 hours last time I tried that
[19:56] <Unit193> Odd... I stopped doing that because I thought it would be harder on their servers
[19:57] <charlie-tca> what?
[19:57] <charlie-tca> download, zsync or rsync?
[19:57] <Unit193> Full download
[19:57] <Unit193> I'm now using dl-ubuntu-test-iso
[19:57] <charlie-tca> zsync uses the client to do the work (your computer), rsync uses the server, and download uses server, I think
[20:00] <Unit193> "By default, the script will attempt to use zsync if it is available as it uses fewer resources on the cdimage server."
[20:16] <charlie-tca> right, zsync uses the client resources instead of the server resources
[20:16] <Unit193> I gathered that actually ;)
[20:16] <charlie-tca> But I think downloads use the server more, right?
[20:17] <Unit193> More b/w at the very least
[20:24] <astraljava> I'd think [z|r]syncs are harder on cpu, but the full download on disks. Does it matter in Canonical's infra? Doubt it.
[20:25] <Unit193> Well, I do notice lag on the computer, but just typing "xubuntu" in terminal makes it worth it ;P
[20:40] <charlie-tca> We have been asked to use zsync whenever possible to help the server load
[20:41] <charlie-tca> They need to upgrade the servers yet
[20:41] <Unit193> You notice Lubuntu hasn't been built for some time now?
[20:43] <charlie-tca> no, I didn't. Want me to tell what is wrong with it?
[20:45] <Unit193> ummm... If you happen to know I would love to know
[20:48] <charlie-tca> console-setup : Conflicts: console-terminus
[20:48] <charlie-tca> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/oneiric/lubuntu/20110823/livecd-20110823-i386.out
[20:48] <charlie-tca> Devs have to fix it
[20:49] <charlie-tca> You can't have both console-setup and console-terminus seeded. They won't work together
[20:52] <Unit193> Alright, I wonder if I sould ping him...
[20:54] <charlie-tca> I just gave it to gilir
[20:55] <Unit193> PM'd? He is online now at support and offtopic (I'll stop now, thanks)
[20:55] <charlie-tca> no, he was in #ubuntu-release asking
[20:56] <charlie-tca> heh, they say great minds think alike :)
[20:58] <astraljava> 32-bit desktop install fails miserably :-/
[20:59] <charlie-tca> really?
[20:59] <charlie-tca> from the desktop icon?
[20:59] <Unit193> astraljava: Anytype I would guess? I can try Desktop or Alt
[20:59] <astraljava> No, from the first menu.
[21:00] <astraljava> I'm booting into the live session now, and try to install from there.
[21:00] <charlie-tca> Does it have a new logo in the menu?
[21:00] <knome> i'm afraid it shouldn't
[21:01] <astraljava> I'm gonna have to see the old and the new side-by-side, it's been a while since I last tested.
[21:01] <knome> the merge is still waiting for review by colin watson
[21:01] <charlie-tca> old is the circle of friends, new is the mouse
[21:02] <charlie-tca> I think I am trying to follow too many builds now
[21:02] <charlie-tca> Unit193: if lubuntu doesn't build, let me know. I will push for the re-spin if possible
[21:02] <charlie-tca> You have one building now, hopefully, it will work
[21:03] <Unit193> charlie-tca: Thanks, I'll try to
[21:04] <charlie-tca> I can check logs and stuff, you just have to prompt me to
[21:05] <Unit193> I really shouldn't make you do all the work when you aren't even part of the project :P
[21:06] <astraljava> Don't worry, charlie's a vet, he knows this stuff even in his sleep. He's the trooper. :D
[21:06] <Unit193> Aye, and very helpful! I will learn at some point :P
[21:07] <astraljava> It's truly great to be here learning.
[21:07] <charlie-tca> Took me a very long time to learn
[21:07]  * charlie-tca is a bit slow these days
[21:08] <charlie-tca> I will teach you what to look at and which fails apply
[21:08] <astraljava> Thanks! Hugely appreciated.
[21:08] <astraljava> jockey-backend fails, reporting now.
[21:09] <charlie-tca> reported already
[21:09] <astraljava> Oh okay.
[21:09] <charlie-tca> bug 831447
[21:10] <Olbi> hello all :D
[21:10] <astraljava> Yeah, learnt that while actually reporting it in LP.
[21:10] <astraljava> Hi Olbi!
[21:10] <astraljava> Okay, trying to install now.
[21:16] <astraljava> Six minutes in, and nothing's happened thus far.
[21:19] <charlie-tca> knome: you break my images again?
[21:19] <charlie-tca> hehehe
[21:20] <charlie-tca> I suspect too many changes are happening in trying to beat the UI freeze deadline now
[21:21] <charlie-tca> There have been a ton of changes again to Oneiric in the past couple of days, so maybe by Friday we will have working images
[21:21] <charlie-tca> Are the alternate images working?
[21:21] <astraljava> Since I have zero experience with live sessions, how should I go about debugging this one? There's the circle with dots moving clock-wise, but that's about it.
[21:22] <astraljava> It shows nothing in VTs, unlike alternates (which is pretty much the reason why I prefer using them.)
[21:23] <charlie-tca> restart the live session, using Ctrl+Alt+backspace if needed
[21:23] <astraljava> X zap does nuthin'
[21:24] <charlie-tca> will from a tty
[21:24] <charlie-tca> then let me find the command to start ubiquity from a terminal
[21:24] <astraljava> sudo service lightdm restart works.
[21:26] <charlie-tca> okay, then open a terminal in the live session and run 'ubiquity -d'
[21:26] <charlie-tca> That should start the installer and will give a debug log
[21:27] <astraljava> Is the installer desktop icon launcher command correct? "ubiquity --desktop %k gtk_ui"
[21:27] <Olbi> started installing Xubuntu 64 bit LiveCD, manual partitioning works good
[21:28] <charlie-tca> yes, most likely
[21:28] <charlie-tca> but when trying to debug, we use a different command than the launcher uses
[21:29] <charlie-tca> Olbi: glad to hear that. Are you installing from the cd menu or the desktop?
[21:29] <Olbi> charlie-tca: correct
[21:29] <charlie-tca> which one?
[21:30] <astraljava> charlie-tca: ubiquity -d does nothing either.
[21:30] <charlie-tca> You went to the desktop and clicked the icon?
[21:30] <Olbi> yes
[21:30] <charlie-tca> astraljava: I will have to burn it and see then
[21:30] <charlie-tca> It is 386 only, at least
[21:30] <astraljava> Sure, I'll re-download, and check md5sum.
[21:31] <charlie-tca> I am burning it
[21:34] <Olbi> alternate checking or only livecd?
[21:35] <Olbi> forgot, alternate isn't working today :P
[21:36] <charlie-tca> no, we have alternate now
[21:36] <charlie-tca> !topic
[21:36] <charlie-tca> yup
[21:36] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Sorry to sprinkle sea salt into the would that's got the knife sticking out of, but:
[21:36] <charlie-tca> I try to keep the topic updated so we all know what is happening
[21:36] <astraljava> 722,776,064 11.2M/s   in 68s
[21:36] <astraljava> wound*
[21:37] <charlie-tca> yeah, just keep adding to it... ;)
[21:37] <charlie-tca> I only have one hour left on my zsync
[21:37] <astraljava> I'm soooo sorry...
[21:38] <charlie-tca> knome: no new logo on the cd menu today
[21:39] <charlie-tca> Never mind sorry, I just keep trying
[21:40] <charlie-tca> I have the desktop image, booting to live session
[21:41] <charlie-tca> madnick: there is a parser error in the plymouth script, but I haven't been able to copy it down yet
[21:41] <charlie-tca> It doesn't seem to stop anything
[21:42] <charlie-tca> It's one of them annoying "expected ? but got ? in line ???" things
[21:42] <charlie-tca> I got a live session and the jockey crash
[21:44] <charlie-tca> astraljava: at what point did the install fail?
[21:44] <charlie-tca> Did you check "Install this third party software"?
[21:45] <astraljava> charlie-tca: The installer never even started for me.
[21:45] <charlie-tca> You got a bad burn, or bad download, or bad virtual machine
[21:45] <charlie-tca> I'm at the partitioner here
[21:45] <astraljava> md5sums match, so I'm now trying unetbootin for creating the usb stick.
[21:46] <charlie-tca> oh, installing from usb?
[21:46] <astraljava> Yep.
[21:46] <charlie-tca> Ain't that broke?
[21:46] <astraljava> Why?
[21:47] <charlie-tca> installer won't start
[21:47] <charlie-tca> I think
[21:47] <astraljava> Well, I kinda noticed that.
[21:47] <astraljava> *grin*
[21:47] <astraljava> So, a known bug?
[21:47] <charlie-tca> I seen something on that this week
[21:47] <astraljava> Okay.
[21:47] <charlie-tca> not sure
[21:47] <charlie-tca> I think they were trying to get confirmation on it
[21:48] <charlie-tca> Try it again, and make sure.
[21:48] <charlie-tca> good, every machine I start cuts my download rate in half again
[21:49] <charlie-tca> I am trying to get these syncs done before I run another install
[21:50] <astraljava> Right. But that's a bit weird, though. Does your router reserve bandwidth for each connected machine by default? I can't think of any other way how that's possible.
[21:51] <charlie-tca> I don't know. I just plug things in and they are supposed to more or less work
[21:51] <charlie-tca> I think it is something to do with qwest dsl here in Idaho
[21:52] <astraljava> Okay.
[21:52] <charlie-tca> cableOne would be even worse, if I could get it
[21:53] <charlie-tca> Maybe I will check out the wireless providers again. I can get promised 10mB/s for less then I pay now
[21:54] <astraljava> That could be an option.
[21:55] <charlie-tca> wouldn't take much to be faster than what I got :(
[21:55] <astraljava> What
[21:55] <astraljava> sorry
[21:56] <astraljava> What's the advertised rate?
[21:56] <charlie-tca> mine now? 3MB
[21:56] <charlie-tca> speedcheck gives 1.2, which they say is correct
[21:57] <charlie-tca> wireless has 10MB connections, which might be faster
[21:57] <astraljava> DSL never reaches even close to the advertised, yeah.
[21:58] <charlie-tca> I don't really understand all the numbers, but I don't think it gets much slower for "broadband" than what I have now
[21:58] <astraljava> True.
[21:58] <madnick> charlie-tca: could you check the log? :)
[21:58] <madnick> For the plymouth stuff* :P
[21:58] <charlie-tca> oh, yes, I can
[21:58] <charlie-tca> let me boot it again. It is on the live session
[21:58] <madnick> ah
[21:59] <charlie-tca> Is my computer that slow?
[22:00] <Olbi> charlie-tca: what hardware you have?
[22:00] <astraljava> Couldn't possibly tell. What I can tell, though, is that unetbootin made absolutely no difference whatsoever.
[22:00] <madnick> I ran the script on my computer just now, the log says nothing
[22:01] <madnick> However
[22:01] <charlie-tca> Olbi: old
[22:01] <astraljava> Someone's waiting for confirmation on the usb install fail?
[22:01] <madnick> !info plymouth oneiric
[22:01] <charlie-tca> no, I don't even remember where I saw it
[22:01] <charlie-tca> madnick: will have it in a minute
[22:01] <astraljava> No worries, I'll ask on -release.
[22:02] <madnick> Ill spam the bot 1 more time, need to know if there is a different version :)
[22:02] <madnick> !info plymouth natty
[22:02] <madnick> okay
[22:02] <charlie-tca> Olbi: Hardware test; 2.8 GHz P4, 64bit; 1GB RAM; nVidia MX-4000 w/64MB memory
[22:03] <Olbi> charlie-tca: my is Athlon II x3 425, MSI 785G-E53 and 4GB DDR3 :) and integrated HD4200 :]
[22:03] <knome> Olbi, if you want HW comparisons, mine is at http://wiki.knome.fi/computers:start
[22:03] <Olbi> charlie-tca: second for tests is Athlon II x2 450, Gigabyte GA-870A-UD3, 4GB DDR3 and Sapphire HD 5750
[22:04] <Olbi> knome: cool stuff :)
[22:04] <knome> Olbi, mmh, some could be better
[22:04] <Olbi> now I want for tests get 9600GT :]
[22:05] <madnick> mine is: Packard Bell, Sandy Bridge i7, 16GB RAM, 2TB hdd, ATI Radeon (some gaming thing, with a gamer as art on it) :P
[22:05] <Olbi> madnick: awesome :D
[22:05] <astraljava> madnick: Gaming? ATI? REALLY?!!
[22:05] <knome> madnick, ehm, is there ever been use for the ram >8GB?
[22:05] <madnick> knome: no swap!
[22:06] <Olbi> hehe :D
[22:06] <Olbi> 10 VBoxes :D
[22:06] <knome> madnick, no swap on my pc either..
[22:06] <madnick> Honestly, I got this computer because I simply had money to spend
[22:06] <knome> mmh.
[22:06] <knome> won't get old anytime soon
[22:06] <madnick> With the facts in hand, I shouldve never done it :)
[22:06] <knome> (read 1 year)
[22:06] <madnick> my old station was good
[22:06] <knome> heh
[22:07] <Olbi> I need 2 computers cause I'm testing hardware on Linux and publish it at http://osworld.pl
[22:07] <knome> i will upgrade to >8GB as soon as there is any reason for that. :P
[22:07] <madnick> :D
[22:07] <Olbi> I have upgrade from 2GB to 4GB cause price was good :]
[22:07] <madnick> I dont even like this computer, because 16 bit Assembly is annoying, and EFI is really annoying
[22:07] <madnick> 64*
[22:08] <astraljava> Yeah, just hope Sandy Bridge support progresses for linux.
[22:08] <Olbi> processors are good support but igp is crap :/
[22:08] <charlie-tca> madnick: it's in /lib/plymouth/themes/xubuntu-logo/xubuntu-logo.plymouth
[22:08] <astraljava> Oh it's only for graphics?
[22:08] <charlie-tca> but I may have to reboot to get the message
[22:08] <madnick> charlie-tca: hah! i did not touch that one :P
[22:09] <madnick> Ill check
[22:09] <madnick> what it says in it
[22:09] <madnick> charlie-tca: was it there yesterday too?
[22:09] <charlie-tca> don't know
[22:10] <charlie-tca> I don't pay enough attention to the screens when starting the session
[22:10] <madnick> could you copy the contents of it? because it would take me a while to download the live session today
[22:10] <Olbi> knome: nice site wiki.knome.fi :)
[22:11] <knome> Olbi, thanks. it runs the same theme than open.knome.fi, with the theme modified slightly
[22:11] <madnick> 00:09 < madnick> what it says in it
[22:11] <madnick> ops
[22:11] <madnick> sorry
[22:11] <knome> heh
[22:11] <madnick> need to paste link to my paste
[22:12] <knome> madnick, you're making no sense now. :)
[22:12] <madnick> http://pastebin.madnick.se/paste.php?id=4e557719759d5
[22:12] <madnick> knome: i was in virtualbox
[22:12] <knome> oh right :P
[22:12] <madnick> and pasted
[22:12] <astraljava> knome: I suspect he needs toothpaste.
[22:12] <madnick> into this terminal, but it was in vbox
[22:12] <madnick> :P
[22:12] <knome> shouldn't vbox shared clipboard work??
[22:12] <madnick> it have never done so for me
[22:13] <knome> worksforme.
[22:13] <knome> have you installed the guest additions?
[22:13] <madnick> nope
[22:13] <knome> heh
[22:13] <knome> that's the reason, i suppose
[22:13] <astraljava> WorksForMe™
[22:13] <knome> well it's not too hard, but i suppose you don't want to do that everyday when testing
[22:14] <charlie-tca> I seldom install guest additions in my test machines
[22:14] <madnick> It breaks some stuff
[22:14] <madnick> like Xephyr
[22:14] <madnick> Guest additions that is
[22:14] <charlie-tca> madnick: rebooting to copy the message
[22:14] <madnick> charlie-tca: thanks :)
[22:14] <knome> xephyr?
[22:14] <charlie-tca> I suppose you want all of it at once, too :)
[22:15] <madnick> knome: revursive x servers
[22:15] <knome> huh, right
[22:16] <astraljava> Well, didn't see any bug reports regarding ubiquity failing from usb. If no-one responds in -release either, I'm gonna file it tomorrow if it still fails.
[22:16] <Olbi> go for shower :)
[22:20] <astraljava> Nah, I'll just file it instead. *grin*
[22:20] <knome> heh
[22:20] <charlie-tca> madnick: caught it:
[22:21] <charlie-tca> Parser error "/lib/plymouth/themes/xubuntu-logo/xubuntu-logo.script" L:193 c:2 : Expected ';' after an expression
[22:21] <Unit193> Encrypted LVM doesn't really select, just goes back to the Partitioning Method screen on AltCD
[22:22] <charlie-tca> encrypted lvm is still broken, isn't it?
[22:22] <Unit193> I would call that broken :P
[22:22] <madnick> hm
[22:22] <madnick> i think i see the error
[22:23] <madnick> fsck_done_fading = 1;inputbox
[22:23] <madnick> :(
[22:23] <charlie-tca> Not sure that is the same bug, Unit193
[22:23] <charlie-tca> will you file a bug for it?
[22:23] <madnick> what can i do about that?
[22:24] <madnick> Should I ask mr_pouit
[22:24] <madnick> To remove that faulty thing
[22:24] <charlie-tca> fix it and give mr_pouit the fix
[22:24] <madnick> okay
[22:24] <charlie-tca> bug fixes are okay
[22:24] <charlie-tca> I can file a bug for it if mr_pouit needs one to put that in
[22:25] <Unit193> charlie-tca: I don't know what's wrong, all I can say is "It dun work" :P
[22:25] <charlie-tca> well, that is not so good a description
[22:25] <Unit193> Exactly. You can't select that without going in a loop
[22:28] <charlie-tca> okay, give that one a day and try again, then.
[22:32] <charlie-tca> I think that should be fixed tomorrow
[22:32] <charlie-tca> okay, I made the machine stop at the error, now I broke it
[22:36] <madnick> charlie-tca: did that error break anything for you in plymouth?
[22:37] <charlie-tca> no, it comes on when plymouth stops, same time as the "speech-dispatcher, starting bluetooth, pulseaudio, samed, checking battery state...
[22:38] <charlie-tca> I suppose if you have a fast computer, you don't get to see those?
[22:38] <madnick> Perhaps
[22:38] <madnick> it is 6 characters that are present for no reason, probably a mix up during my paste
[22:39] <charlie-tca> no problem, at we caught it now.
[22:39] <charlie-tca> This is why I test. I can break most anything ;)
[22:40] <madnick> :)
[22:52] <charlie-tca> madnick: Is there a way to have lightdm working by September 15?
[22:53] <charlie-tca> or is it going to take too much time and energy that you need to spend on other things?
[22:54] <Unit193> Will do
[22:54] <charlie-tca> will do what?
[22:54] <charlie-tca> Oh, okay
[22:55] <Unit193> Was away a little
[22:56] <madnick> charlie-tca: i could try :)
[22:57] <madnick> Like hopefully, i should be done even before that if i go at it
[22:58] <charlie-tca> Let me know. I need to know if we can or not. This is a no-change, gotta happen by date, if we decide to do it
[22:58] <madnick> okay
[22:58] <madnick> Ill let you know
[22:59] <charlie-tca> I will go talk to people and ask for an exception , if you can make it happen. Otherwise, we will wait for LTS to make it happen, without preasure
[22:59] <madnick> Reason Im not 100% sure is that im going away the 5th, and im not sure how long i will be away
[23:00] <charlie-tca> That's why I didn't want to pressure you. If it seems too much, better to wait
[23:00] <charlie-tca> What we have is fine for Oneiric.
[23:01] <madnick> I can try to finish as much as i can before that (dont tell them anything yet) and then if its close to finished, we could ask for it? if thats possible?
[23:03] <charlie-tca> sure, that is a good way to deal with it. That way, if you can finish it, I can push people where needed. If not, you don't feel preassure to push yourself too much.
[23:03] <madnick> :)
[23:04] <madnick> I could tell you why I am going away, and why its important, but not in a logged channel :P
[23:04] <madnick> But ill try
[23:04] <madnick> before that
[23:06] <charlie-tca> it's okay
[23:06] <knome> madnick, lol
[23:07] <madnick> :<
[23:07] <knome> awwh
[23:07] <knome> :)
[23:08] <astraljava> "I could tell you why I'm going away, but then I'd have to kill you. We wouldn't want that, now would we?"
[23:09] <madnick> :D
[23:18] <charlie-tca> um, let me think about that. ;)