[11:02] <slangasek> ogra: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/lucid/release/ - I see them here?
[11:02] <slangasek> (perhaps you were racing me? :)
[11:03] <ogra> yeah
[11:03] <ogra> that wasnt hard given your traveling time though :)
[11:03] <ogra> did you arrive safely now ?
[11:03] <slangasek> yeah, I think you commented here *while I was publishing*
[11:03] <ogra> heh
[11:03] <slangasek> I'm safe, and I've arrived somewhere
[11:03] <ogra> lol
[11:04] <slangasek> I haven't reached Göttingen yet, but my flight to FRA should be boarding soon
[11:04] <ogra> ouch
[11:04] <ogra> youre on the train then ?
[11:05] <doko> flight to FRA from Goettingen?
[11:05] <ogra> next stop afer göttingen is my home town :) wave if you pass kassel ;)
[11:05] <ogra> *after
[11:06] <ogra> doko, in an ultralight plane through the rain, eh ?
[11:06]  * ogra doubts there is any airport like thing in Gö
[11:06] <slangasek> flight to FRA from *London*, train from FRA to Goettingen
[11:06] <ogra> *to* goetiingen ?
[11:06] <slangasek> yes?
[11:07] <ogra> where do you go from there ?
[11:07] <slangasek> I'm trying to get *to* Goettingen for SambaXP
[11:07] <ogra> oh
[11:07] <ogra> i thought you try to get to brussels
[11:07] <ogra> heh
[11:07] <slangasek> Brussels on Saturday
[11:07] <ogra> yeah
[11:07] <ogra> i was just a bit confused by the direction
[11:08] <ogra> so you passed kassel already most likely :)
[11:12] <slangasek> 11:04 < slangasek> [...] but my flight to FRA should be boarding soon
[11:12] <slangasek> so no? :)
[11:14] <ogra> oh, right
[11:14] <ogra> "I haven't reached Göttingen yet" was the part that confused my brain
[13:36] <lamont> slangasek: you want livecd-rootfs 1.115 before you do your first round of CD fs images, fwiw


[16:05] <Mr777> Lol, I do not want to use anything other than empathy. If I couldn't make empathy work, I would probably go with browser
[16:07] <meonkeys> cfhowlett: odd, do you know why https://hexchat.github.io/ says "...unlike XChat it’s completely free..."?  As far as I can tell, XChat is GPL v2. https://sourceforge.net/p/xchat/svn/HEAD/tree/COPYING
[16:07] <hexafraction> Mr777: There are a few reasons related to the Freenode network as well as the design of the web client that recommend that you use *anything* decent that's not the web client.
[16:07] <cfhowlett> meonkeys, don't know, don't care.  xchat has been abandoned and is no longer developed so ...
[16:08] <OerHeks> meonkeys,  read the story https://hexchat.github.io/news/announcement.html
[16:08] <meonkeys> huh. I care. Especially if they are lying
[16:09] <cfhowlett> OerHeks, good find.  thanks.
[16:09] <meonkeys> OerHeks: ok, skimmed that... I don't see any answers to my question about licensing
[16:09] <meonkeys> turfes: please don't PM me unsolicited links. Looks like spam or phishing.
[16:10] <Guest77080> hello?
[16:11] <Guest77080> I kinda need help with the Unity desktop environment, and 14.04 LTS.
[16:11] <pbx> meonkeys, "completely free" is licensing zealot phrasing, i'd say you can safely stop reading right there :)
[16:11] <Guest77080> I recently upgraded to it (infact I'm running it right now) and when I logged in I noticed glitches with the login screen, launcher and top bar.
[16:11] <hexafraction> Guest77080: Don't ask to ask, questions are always welcome :)
[16:11] <rory> I'm part-way through a git commit. I'm in my $EDITOR editing the commit message, but I want to abort the commit at this point. How do?
[16:11] <Guest77080> They were... gone...
[16:12] <hexafraction> rory: Delete the entire commit message, save, and exit the editor.
[16:12] <pbx> rory, blank out the message and exit
[16:12] <hexafraction> git will abort due to empty commit message.
[16:12] <rory> Thank you hexafraction and pbx
[16:12] <hexafraction> No problem
[16:12] <Guest77080> I'm wondering what I should do about this darn glitch. I'd hate to have to downgrade
[16:12] <meonkeys> rory: if you can get your editor to exit with an error code, even better. For example, :q! in Vim
[16:13] <rory> kill -9 nano it is
[16:13] <pbx> Guest77080, what were you running before? what hardware? have you run update & upgrade since installing?
[16:13] <platzhirsch> So with emergency mode I mean this here? https://www.dropbox.com/s/yeed4cokjnfe6tq/2015-07-02%2016.55.48.jpg?dl=0 It seems to be related to my fs being in read-only mode, not sure
[16:14] <platzhirsch> I ran dmesg and I read here "warning: mounting fs with errors, running e2fsck is recommended"
[16:14] <Guest77080> Well, I was previously running a dual-boot of Windows 8.1 and Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[16:14] <Guest77080> it worked perfectly
[16:14] <Guest77080> then I ran the upgrade manager
[16:15] <Guest77080> updated to 14.04
[16:15] <Guest77080> The glitch is only present when I boot with the default Linux kernel
[16:15] <Guest77080> I booted with the one for 12.04 and, well, we're working perfectly
[16:16] <pbx> Guest77080, i'm talking about steps 4 and 5 here: http://howtoubuntu.org/things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-14-04-trusty-tahr
[16:16] <meonkeys> ah, re XChat (earlier), here's what the hexchat folks mean by XChat not being completely free: https://github.com/hexchat/hexchat.github.com/blob/master/shareware.md
[16:16] <Guest77080> except the High Contrast Inverse theme is gone, and I use that to actually see the computer :L
[16:16] <Guest77080> I'm blind.
[16:17] <cfhowlett> Guest77080, it's GONE ??
[16:17] <pbx> Guest77080, my 14.04 install only has High Contrast, not High Contrast Inverse, FWIW
[16:23] <tmtwd> is there a way to easily find the command for an application?
[16:23] <tmtwd> I'm trying to find the command for Document Viewer to make is a shortcut
[16:24] <Quiznos> hi; where is a setting to incr xorg fontsize globally?
[16:26] <allizom> tmtwd: it's called Evince
[16:26] <Guest77080> I'm creating a little shellscript to do all this repo updating stuff for me after I reboot.
[16:26] <Guest77080> It's actually pretty fun xD
[16:28] <polishpoliceforc> anyone know why in ubuntu studio my desktop background randomly changes and so does my windows manager?
[16:29] <polishpoliceforc> the desktop background reverts to the default ubuntu studio background and the icons have different sizes....
[16:29] <cfhowlett> polishpoliceforc, abnormal behavior
[16:29] <polishpoliceforc> T_____________T
[16:30] <polishpoliceforc> why... what did i do? T_T i even did everything safely this time
[16:30] <polishpoliceforc> and i still break my distro
[16:31] <polishpoliceforc> for some strange reason all the new notebooks i make with keepnote i can open as a user by clicking, but the old ones i cannot.... anyone know how to fix this?
[16:36] <b100s> hi2all, what about https://askubuntu.com/questions/643668/cant-log-in-after-lock-screen-by-winl ?
[16:37] <Kniple> Good day!
[16:43] <meonkeys> tmtwd: that's a great question. No, I'm not aware of a super easy way. What I usually do is launch the application, then look at the process table (using `ps` from a terminal or System Monitor -> Processes)
[16:43] <meonkeys> tmtwd: ans, as allizom said, it's called evince (no idea why)
[16:44] <meonkeys> tmtwd: aha! Check out http://askubuntu.com/questions/126268/how-to-find-out-the-terminal-command-of-an-application too. Apparently "Most default applications will have a .desktop file located in /usr/share/applications."
[16:45] <wad> I'm having trouble with UTF-8 encoding. Spent about an hour on this.
[16:45] <wad> I told VIM to use UTF-8, and it's happy.
[16:45] <wad> I have a file with one line in it: spokojená
[16:46] <wad> That's one word, and the last character of the word is an "a" with an accent mark, in case your IRC client doesnt'
[16:46] <wad> show it properly.
[16:46] <wad> I named the file "z".
[16:46] <wad> "cat z" shows the character properly in my terminal.
[16:46] <wad> But if I select it with the mouse, and middle-click back into the terminal, that character is missing.
[16:47] <wad> ~$ echo $LANG
[16:47] <wad> en_US.UTF-8
[16:47] <wad> Terminal | set character encoding => Unicode(UTF-8).
[16:47] <wad> I've also rebooted.
[16:47] <wad> So everything that google suggested, that I have found, I have done.
[16:48] <wad> But I still can't paste UTF-8 into the terminal.
[16:48] <wad> The clipboard stuff works, as pasting into VIM is happy.
[16:48] <wad> Any ideas?
[16:52] <__nemo__> wad: You tried 'export LANG=en_US.UTF-8'?
[16:52] <wad> __nemo__, yep, it's in both my .profile and .bashrc, and I've rebooted since then.
[16:53] <wad> Also, when I echo $LANG it shows that value.
[16:58] <__nemo__> wad: Have you tried any other shells?
[16:58] <wad> __nemo__, no, just bash.
[16:58] <wad> That's a good idea, though.
[16:59] <wad> What shell would you recomment? I only every use bash.....
[16:59] <__nemo__> Im not sure. I use bash myself. I just thought it could be worth checking if the "error" is on other shells
[17:00] <Mr777> Is there some way to filter out joined and connected messages in empathy?
[17:00] <Voyage>  is there a way to add one group to an other group?
[17:03] <Voyage> ahem
[17:06] <allizom> Mr777: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=599453
[17:06] <Voyage> how to implemet ACL?
[17:12] <Tahr-user2> hello everyone
[17:13] <iIbeIkyr> i prolly shouldnt do this but this is botchlab in underwear http://i.imgur.com/ehSNJJq.jpg
[17:14] <OerHeks> ilbelkyr, yes, please don spam, thanks
[17:15] <iIbeIkyr> OerHeks why the hell not i'll do what i want
[17:15] <OerHeks> !ops | ilbelkyr
[17:16] <IdleOne> iIbeIkyr: you will follow the channel guidelines or you will not be allowed in the channel.
[17:19] <Patero-ng> I installed ubuntu 14.02 in a usb drive and seleccted the usb drive as the boot loader as well but when I load ubuntu it shows show error like usb-4 error and some initfsmr prompt what am I doing wrong?
[17:20] <OerHeks> Patero-ng, how did you prepare that usb ?>
[17:20] <Patero-ng> it was formatted swap 1024mb and 16gb of ext4
[17:21] <OerHeks> Patero-ng, oh, not a live usb, but a real install ?
[17:22] <galumphant> bye
[17:23] <danielw329> patero-ng: try using unetbootin or yumi
[17:24] <lucidguy> can someone point out what Im doing wrong ..  http://paste.ubuntu.com/11811224/
[17:25] <Patero-ng> that's not the problem the ubuntu is in a usb drive it can load live, I want to install it into another usb drive to be able to load from it from any machine with persistent data like if it was installed on a harddrive
[17:26] <danielw329> patero-ng: what article or steps did you follow to make it
[17:26] <OerHeks> Patero-ng, that is possible, make sure you install grub on the right usb device
[17:31] <Patero-ng> danielw329 no article
[17:33] <Patero-ng> OerHeks is that an option that installer gives? I selected that usb drive the one I was installing into as the boot loader
[17:33] <EriC^^> Patero-ng: what's the problem?
[17:33] <danielw329> patero-ng: google is like. google is love. https://www.google.com/search?q=persistant+usb&gws_rd=ssl#q=persistent+usb+ubuntu+14.04
[17:34] <Patero-ng> EriC^^ I tried installing ubuntu following the instalation steps on another usb drive but it didn't work
[17:34] <EriC^^> Patero-ng: are you using uefi?
[17:34] <Patero-ng> installing it onto another usb drive as if it was a hardrive should make it persistante by default
[17:34] <Patero-ng> what's the matter with eufi
[17:35] <EriC^^> it would be installed as a normal installation
[17:35] <EriC^^> Patero-ng: uefi is a new firmware like bios
[17:36] <Patero-ng> the pc I'm using has uefi yes
[17:36] <EriC^^> Patero-ng: ok, well which os does it have?
[17:36] <polishpoliceforc> how do i make something with file permissions of -rwx--x--x  to -rw-------?
[17:37] <EriC^^> polishpoliceforc: if you just want to remove the x, chmod -x /path/to/file
[17:37] <Patero-ng> EriC^^ windows 7 but I want to load the installed ubuntu from any computer not just this one
[17:37] <EriC^^> Patero-ng: yeah, well, you'd need to install it in legacy mode
[17:38] <EriC^^> and enable legacy mode on whatever computer you want to boot it on
[17:38] <EriC^^> otherwise you're going to have to choose it from a uefi menu if the bios supports booting from file, or boot a live usb and add it to the efi boot manager then boot it
[17:38] <Patero-ng> installing it in legacy mode means the host computer has to boot in legacy?
[17:39] <EriC^^> yes
[17:39] <polishpoliceforc> EriC^^,  and how do i also change drwxrwxr-x  to drwxrwx--x?
[17:39] <EriC^^> polishpoliceforc: chmod o-r /path/to/file
[17:40] <OerHeks> drwxrwx--x would be 771
[17:41] <polishpoliceforc> EriC^^, how would i apply chmod o-r to only files that are drwxrwxr-x to drwxrwxr--x in the folder?
[17:42] <EriC^^> polishpoliceforc: you'd need to use find and the -perm option
[17:42] <EriC^^> polishpoliceforc: type man find in a terminal
[17:42] <nikola_i> ls
[17:42] <danielw329> man find
[17:42] <danielw329>  /-perm
[17:42] <Jerome> Hi, I had installed Ubuntu on a Win7 notebook, it had created some boot options (Ububtu, Ubuntu Advanced Options, Win 7 Loader, Recovery).  I'm trying to factory restore this notebook, when I choose recovery mode, it fails to load with error message: Z:\WinCon\Manager1.exe The system cannot find the drive specified. Does anyone have any suggestions what I can research to fix this?
[17:43] <Mr777> Guys, is there any way to find out the cause of wifi disconnectivity on my ubuntu machine?
[17:43] <EriC^^> Jerome: often laptops recovery don't work anymore when you change the partition table, you can still manually extract the image if the recovery partition is still there, or use a recovery usb to restore the pc
[17:43] <__DiCe__> i think i had same issues JErome if i remember right i use YUMI to get boot repair disk
[17:44] <polishpoliceforc> EriC^^, chmod o-r isn't making it drwxrwxr-x
[17:44] <__DiCe__> on a usb
[17:44] <jrbt> Hello!
[17:44] <EriC^^> polishpoliceforc: you said you wanted to remove the last r
[17:44] <Jerome> EriC^^: thanks
[17:44] <jrbt> Am I the only one who have a lot of problems with ubuntu "click"?
[17:45] <nikola_i> i am running ubuntu 15.04 on lenovo with nvidia 840m. my system doesnot wake up from sleep. how do it debug this
[17:46] <nikola_i> can this be beacause of usb 3.0
[17:46] <EriC^^> nikola_i: do you have a swap partition as big as your ram?
[17:46] <EriC^^> nevermind
[17:46] <nikola_i> its almost as twice as big
[17:46] <polishpoliceforc> EriC^^,  woops i meant change drwxrwx--x to drwxrwxr-x
[17:47] <EriC^^> polishpoliceforc: chmod o+r /path/to/file
[17:48] <allizom> jrbt: what's your issue?
[17:49] <danielw329> quick vote: what is your personal preference for overall best linux user friendly laptop (eg shell friendly keyboard, features with matching drivers, etc)
[17:50]  * jrbt is installing an ubuntu kit, he waiting to see if he had again an issue
[17:50] <UniOn> Has any tried installing Ubuntu desktop on a MacBook before? I'm trying to create a dual boot with Ubuntu but it won't finish loading the installer, hangs after a couple seconds with the four dots all colored orange
[17:50] <polishpoliceforc> i basically want to change this http://pastebin.com/qSYsZxnC to this http://pastebin.com/Sps3hHLn
[17:51] <danielw329> uni0n: it works. ive got friends who have done it.
[17:51] <nikola_i> Eric^^ pls suggest any other leads which I can try
[17:51] <polishpoliceforc> nvm i'll try that
[17:51] <UniOn> danielw329: Did they do anything special?
[17:51] <danielw329> uni0n: let me find the article they followed
[17:51] <rebs> hey so im on ubuntu 15 and firefox just crashed ( i think because of gash which ahs been giving me problems. but the window is hung, I cant find its pid in top, even if i try top -n 1 | grep firefox)
[17:52] <Kniple> Hi there, I just today got my new MX4 Ubuntu edition, and it seems like the battery wont charge when the phone is turned on. Anyone of you guys heard of this problem before? I'm wondering if theres any general problem with it, couldnt find anything on google. :(
[17:52] <UniOn> danielw329: Alright, cheers :0
[17:52] <UniOn> :)*
[17:52] <Kniple> Actually, it doesnt seem to be charging at all.
[17:52] <Pici> Kniple: You'd get a better response asking in #ubuntu-touch
[17:53] <danielw329> uni0n: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/install-linux-macbook-pro/
[17:53] <rebs> how do you kill a process not appearing in top
[17:53] <Kniple> oh, Pici I didn't realize there was one (didnt see that one on the irc channel list.) thanks I'll ask there!
[17:53] <danielw329> uni0n: i dont think that is the one, but it should work. i just reviewed the article.
[17:54] <spodermen_sweg_> Hello ubuntuians
[17:54] <UniOn> danielw329: Will try it right away, I'll let you know if it worked
[17:57] <danielw329> http://xkcd.com/456/
[17:58] <Matt_teni> guys. i recently update the drivers with xorg-edger and now i want to revert back. i think it's to be blame for the graphic glitch im getting http://i.imgur.com/eIPVT6B.png
[17:58] <Matt_teni> plz what should i run now
[17:59] <zykotick9> !ppa-purge | Matt_teni
[17:59] <polishpoliceforc> anyone know how to make file permissions of 1 directory the same as another?
[18:00] <danielw329> does anyone know what engine ubottu is running on?
[18:00] <Matt_teni> install ppapurge.
[18:00] <Matt_teni> installing*
[18:00] <Matt_teni> do you think that bug was cuz by xorg ppa?
[18:00] <Pici> danielw329: supybot.
[18:00] <NewUser> hi! can you help me choose the right version of skype of4.3 or ubuntu 14.04 32bit?
[18:00] <Pici> !botclone | danielw329
[18:02] <danielw329> pici: i have a hubot, but i might look into supybot. thanks
[18:03] <polishpoliceforc> can someone at least tell me what the  4315 in -rw-------  1 jonlee jonlee 4315 Jul  2 13:52 node.xml  is? what does it mean exactly?
[18:04] <Pici> polishpoliceforc: See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions
[18:04] <zykotick9> polishpoliceforc: the owner has Read and Write, Group and Other have NO permissions
[18:04] <inductiveload> polishpoliceforc, 4315 is the size
[18:10] <abbasi> I wanna upgrade my os to latest but cmd is not working http://s16.postimg.org/omefh5mdx/image.png
[18:11] <bekks> abbasi: You dont need that package for upgrading.
[18:11] <abbasi> then how?
[18:11] <abbasi> i want 14.04
[18:11] <bekks> abbasi: And what do you have?
[18:11] <autopoiesis> hello is anyone here familiar with the xfce4 desktop environment? maybe you can help me: https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/3bpgs8/xfce4_how_do_i_get_rid_of_this_grey_shadow_on_my/
[18:11] <abbasi> 13.10
[18:12] <bekks> abbasi: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade; sudo do-release-upgrade
[18:12] <bekks> abbasi: Create a full backup before.
[18:12] <abbasi> i tried these 3
[18:13] <abbasi> then used that
[18:13] <bekks> abbasi: What is "these" and "that"?
[18:13] <abbasi> :/
[18:13] <abbasi> which u wrote above and which i posted
[18:13] <bekks> abbasi: And what happened when you tried the three I wrote?
[18:14] <bekks> abbasi: Pastebin the entire output of all three commands please.
[18:15] <abbasi> sudo apt-get update showed 404 not found
[18:15] <abbasi> from top to bottom
[18:16] <zykotick9> !13.10 | abbasi
[18:16] <abbasi> http://s1.postimg.org/d0863b42n/image.png
[18:17] <teward> abbasi: try: sudo do-release-upgrade
[18:17] <teward> just on its own
[18:17] <abbasi> cmd not found :/
[18:20] <squinty> test
[18:20] <squinty> maybe try the full path   /usr/bin/do-release-upgrade
[18:21] <nikola_i> how can i debug my ubuntu 15.04 which doesnot wakeup from sleep
[18:21] <UniOn> danielw329: is does the same thing, freezes on this screen http://linoob.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Ubuntu-Bootscreen.png
[18:21] <UniOn> the four circles are orange
[18:23] <danielw329> Uni0n: ctrl+alt+F2
[18:23] <danielw329> top
[18:24] <abbasi> where are supporters?
[18:24] <tyler2435> when I apt-get update && apt-get upgrade it works fine, but why doesn't it update the kernel? the software update gui does update the kernel
[18:25] <teward> tyler2435: it runs dist-upgrade which upgrades more than just the 'safe to upgrade' things
[18:25] <UniOn> danielw329: nothing seems to work
[18:25] <UniOn> It just sits there
[18:25] <teward> tyler2435: and by 'safe' i mean things that won't be tweaked by the upgrade to potentially disrupt things
[18:25] <teward> tyler2435: `sudo apt-get dist-upgrade` will grab the kernel updates and other packages held back during 'upgrade' only
[18:26] <tyler2435> gotcha. thank you.
[18:26] <UniOn> danielw329: and now it shuts off the laptop
[18:26] <abbasi> man if u cant so tell me plz
[18:28] <squinty> abbasi,  maybe try the full path   /usr/bin/do-release-upgrade
[18:29] <abbasi> no such file or directory
[18:29] <serialinux> chaturbate and cam4 dont work on ubuntu, why?
[18:30] <squinty> abbasi:  you could also try   locate do-release-upgrade     to see if it is on your system
[18:31] <UniOn> Anyone else an idea? I'm trying to install Ubuntu desktop on my MacBook Pro. I've created the USB installer but it freezes on the Ubuntu installer loading screen (http://goo.gl/iI2SBl). At first the dots are blinking, showing that it's doing something but after a few sec they stay orange.
[18:32] <squinty> abbasi:  fwiw, personally I would just back up your valuables and then do a fresh install.  the do-release-upgrades don't always work imho
[18:33] <abbasi> i installed 13.10 freshly
[18:35] <mz-gmr> Hi does anyone know how to make transmission bt work it was working yesterday and it's not downloading anything today.
[18:35] <bekks> abbasi: Supporters are around. Whats up?
[18:35] <squinty> abbasi,  Not sure what you are saying to be honest.  if you just installed 13.10 it's eol. better to just install a supported version
[18:35] <bekks> Ah, the backlog got stuck.
[18:35] <abbasi> i m new idk about linux
[18:36] <bekks> abbasi: If you just installed 13.10 - why didnt you install 14.04?
[18:36] <abbasi> my friend installed it
[18:36] <abbasi> before this i had centos
[18:37] <squinty> abbasi,  tell your friend to keep in mind the eol issue next time.  ;-)
[18:38] <abbasi> but now i cant run my files on this version
[18:38] <squinty> abbasi,  anyways have to go for now.  good luck :-)
[18:38] <abbasi> its showing segmentation fault
[18:38] <bekks> abbasi: ...when doing what...
[18:38] <roudch> hi
[18:38] <Scunizi> Is it possible to run an ubuntu install iso while in an existing and running ubuntu system so I can install it on a new ssd drive that will be going in my laptop?
[18:38] <abbasi> when i try to run my gaming server
[18:39] <bekks> abbasi: "a gaming server".
[18:39] <bekks> abbasi: 13.10 is unsupported. 14.04 is. So why not using 14.04?
[18:39] <abbasi> its showing segmentation fault and u people suggested me to install 14.04
[18:39] <bekks> abbasi: So download and freshly install 14.04
[18:39] <abbasi> can upgrade it
[18:39] <bekks> You cant, as you can see.
[18:39] <abbasi> can u suggest me how can i install it on my vps
[18:39] <bekks> You could have downloaded and installed 14.04 already.
[18:40] <bekks> abbasi: A VPS? Ask your hoster, since a plain install will not work, duw to VPS kernel limitations.
[18:40] <mz-gmr> can someone make my transmission bt work i have been trying all day to make it work but i couldn't
[18:40] <abbasi> ok :(
[18:41] <mz-gmr> its says downloading from 0 of 0 peers and thats not the case it's kubuntu 15.04 iso
[18:44] <jrbt> and that is my ubuntu click bug: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11811641/
[18:53] <ubuntu-mate> hello
[18:54] <Mr777> Hello
[19:02] <kongthap> hi i'm using 14.04, i would like to set $CLASSPATH for java environment, is it correct to append ~/.profile ?
[19:03] <baja> hi
[19:03] <baja> who knows remote connection
[19:03] <baja> in ubuntu
[19:04] <baja> can i do remote connection in ubuntu?
[19:04] <baja> i would luv to know how remote connection
[19:04] <MonkeyDust> baja  sure, what kind of connection do you have in mind?
[19:05] <baja> i want to connect to another computer and gain access remotely
[19:05] <baja> using ip
[19:05] <MonkeyDust> baja  ssh is one way
[19:06] <baja> what is that
[19:06] <baja> is there a procedure
[19:06] <MonkeyDust> !ssh | baja start here
[19:06] <EriC^^> baja: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/openssh-server.html
[19:08] <MonkeyDust> baja  on what system are you working?
[19:09] <baja> ubuntu 14.04
[19:09] <baja> trusty i guess
[19:09] <MonkeyDust> baja  read this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH
[19:10] <MonkeyDust> baja  what is on the other computer? also ubuntu?
[19:11] <baja> one is windows another is ubuntu
[19:11] <baja> there are two computers
[19:12] <MonkeyDust> baja  you can reach the windows computer with rdesktop
[19:13] <MonkeyDust> do you know the ip address, username and password?
[19:13] <baja> no i only know the ip.
[19:13] <baja> in windows i know how to remote desktop and its easy
[19:14] <baja> you request access and the user allows you
[19:14] <MonkeyDust> baja  you need the username and password
[19:14] <baja> can i add the ip to admin like in windows how does it work
[19:16] <MonkeyDust> baja  try reminna, it's a program
[19:19] <baja> task manager
[19:19] <baja> for ubuntu?
[19:20] <MonkeyDust> baja  one question at a time, now you want something else
[19:20] <baja> yes
[19:20] <lucidguy> Need to route many subnets out to a nic/gw.. this command fails, what am I doing wrong  route add -net 172.16.128/17 gw <IP_ADDRESS> dev eth1
[19:20] <baja> task manager
[19:20] <baja> i need to end a process using task manager
[19:21] <MonkeyDust> baja  system monitor
[19:21] <baja> ive seen it task manager
[19:21] <baja> its the same
[19:22] <bekks> I guess that was the wrong process.
[19:23] <itaylor57> what were you doing that makes you think ssh service is missing?
[19:26] <andreb> hi all .. i got a quick question
[19:26] <MonkeyDust> andreb  let's hear it
[19:27] <andreb> cna someone explain to how many ubuntu advantages licenses i would need..
[19:27] <MonkeyDust> andreb  what kind of licenses?
[19:27] <andreb> i will have 8 servers.... all going to be using openstack
[19:27] <andreb> and i am going to have about 50 vms
[19:28] <MonkeyDust> andreb  ubuntu3 doesnt require licenses
[19:28] <andreb> i have filled out the form on the ubuntu.com site and no one has gotten back to me in the last week
[19:28] <andreb> monkeydust  : for landscape
[19:29] <jrbt> Hey!
[19:30] <jrbt> Install a kit via Ubuntu SDK doesn't works, I've tried with "sudo click chroot -a armhf -f ubuntu-sdk-15.04 create" but doesn't works too
[19:30] <jrbt> same log
[19:30] <jrbt> -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11811956/
[19:33] <squinty> !arm > squinty
[19:36] <shaytan> hi guys, what would be a proper way to disable apparmor on ubuntu without removing it entirely from the system? is it even possible? when stopping the daemon and removing it from startup with update-rc some apparm-profiles will be still loaded on the next reboot.
[19:36] <UniOn_> Anyone that has managed to make a second partition on a MacBook with Ubuntu, please check http://askubuntu.com/questions/643709/installing-ubuntu-on-macbook-pro
[19:37] <UniOn_> Need some help, been trying for hours now
[19:37] <MonkeyDust> andreb  start here: http://www.ubuntu.com/management/ubuntu-advantage
[19:38] <andreb> MonkeyDust i have read that a few times... .. i just wish their sales department would be nice enough to reply to me... i can use the "free version for 10 machines and 10 vms.." but most likely i will go beyond 10 vms...
[19:44] <ehem> what are the *.java~ files
[19:44] <OerHeks> andreb, AFAIK, you will need 1 license, independend on how many servers you want to deploy with Maas/Openstack/juj/chef/puppet
[19:44] <Akayllin> hey all. how would I set permissions for a folder so that anyone can read/write to it but you can't delete files that are owned by other users
[19:44] <OerHeks> openstack needs a minimum of 7 servers, iirc
[19:45] <andreb> OerHeks the new lds 15.01 says you need atleast 4..
[19:45] <andreb> Orek but i will have between 8 to 10 physical servers
[19:46] <OerHeks> 4 machines with 2 cores probably.
[19:46] <andreb> i trying to figure out how many licenses i would need to get for the 50 vms.... or how much and how hard it would be to upgrade from the 10 servers 10 vms of the basic
[19:46] <andreb> yeah each server is dual socket .. 8 core dell servers
[19:47] <OerHeks> no problem, the number of clients/vm's is unimportant.
[19:48] <andreb> oh Oerheks ?
[19:50] <andreb> Oerheks i thought it was 10 servers.. 10vms max on the basic ?
[19:50] <fooper> Heya.
[19:50] <OerHeks> andreb, now i am not sure, best way to find out is join #ubuntu-solutions i guess.
[19:51] <OerHeks> That would be the dedicated openstack channel, better is by mail/launchpad.
[19:51] <andreb> kewl i will go there
[19:52] <Hobbet1> i have a pentium 4 box with 2 gigs of memory and i went to download ubuntu the link to download is defaulting to 64bit does anybody know why this is ?
[19:53] <OerHeks> Hobbet1, i am sure you can click a button to get the 32 bit version.
[19:53] <Akayllin> how would I set permissions for a folder so that anyone can read/write to it but you can't delete files that are owned by other users
[19:53] <Hobbet1> ok OerHeks thanks
[19:58] <Seven_Six_Two> Hobbet1, do you have a user agent plugin for your browser?
[20:00] <angrywombat> anyone in here know of a usb bluetooth adapter that works out of the box for 14.04?
[20:00] <sndptrvd> Hi,I am new to Ubuntu
[20:03] <pokergod> when I'm dual screening, the launcher is shown on each monitor.  Is there a way to isolate the launcher to only that monitor?  I hate clicking on the launcher only to find the window is on the other monitor...
[20:03] <franjo_Beijing> sup guys
[20:03] <franjo_Beijing> anybody there?
[20:03] <Salehi> franjo_Beijing: !ask
[20:03] <franjo_Beijing> i'm behind the great firewall and it's kind of terifying
[20:04] <Salehi> !ask | franjo_Beijing
[20:04] <Seven_Six_Two> angrywombat, anything with a popular name is almost certain to work.
[20:05] <franjo_Beijing> ..
[20:05] <franjo_Beijing> !ask wat
[20:05] <franjo_Beijing> waaaat
[20:06] <Seven_Six_Two> franjo_Beijing, this is a support channel. Ask a question, get an answer. Chat is in #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:06] <franjo_Beijing> who do i set up a VPN to use Internet in China on Linux? :D
[20:07] <franjo_Beijing> how*
[20:08] <Seven_Six_Two> franjo_Beijing, do you want to vpn across the firewall? Check Tor project. Make sure to only get from tor project, and do md5sum on download to verify integrity.
[20:09] <franjo_Beijing> Exactly. I know about Tor but not aboud md5sum.........
[20:10] <Seven_Six_Two> It's a linux program that gives you a hash (a sequence of characters) when you run it against a file. e.g.  $ md5sum torbrowserbundle.run
[20:10] <OerHeks> !md5sum
[20:10] <franjo_Beijing> ok thanks a lot.
[20:10] <Seven_Six_Two> tor provides their own md5sum, so if your download is corrupt or has been tampered with, your sum will be different.
[20:13] <franjo_Beijing> yes i see it in the guide now. thanks a bunch, cheers from beijing
[20:14] <OerHeks> have fun franjo_Beijing
[20:19] <gawd> SparkleShare ??
[20:20] <mehmetcan> hi
[20:20] <gawd> http://sparkleshare.org/
[20:21] <franjo_Beijing> Me again, it seems like i can't access any sites with tor. tor project site tiems out. ...... what do i do now. and can i install it from terminal?
[20:21] <p5yc071c> does anyoe run ubunt through 'bootcamp' or similar virtual machine on a mac?
[20:22] <gagalicious> does anyone know? the server requirement for nfs pxe diskless client server to support 100 users. what kind of ram/ cpu power is required? how low can i go?
[20:23] <allizom> p5yc071c: bootcamp is not a VM monitor, it installs on bare metal. What's your issue anyway?
[20:24] <gagalicious> 100 users browsing the web, watch video and software development, irc etc.
[20:24] <p5yc071c> allizom: I've never done this before...i want to install solidworks (heavy drafting software) on my macbook
[20:24] <OerHeks> gagalicious, i would say 300 mhz per client, and 256 mb. + 300 mhz for server, and 512 mb.
[20:24] <p5yc071c> allizom: maybe that would be better for my purposes?
[20:25] <UniOn_> p5yc071c: I've been trying to get Ubuntu running on my Mac all day now, no success
[20:25] <allizom> p5yc071c: does that software even run on Ubuntu?
[20:25] <gagalicious> OerHeks: that's very little right? why does 300mhz needed per client?
[20:25] <gagalicious> 300mhz * 100 = 30Ghz?! what kind of cpu is that?
[20:25] <p5yc071c> allizom: no, you're right, it doesn't ...it runs on windows...
[20:25] <gagalicious> does it really need so much power?
[20:25] <OerHeks> seems little, but enough for pxe.
[20:26] <p5yc071c> allizom: I want to partition it 3 ways...mac, windows, ubuntu
[20:26] <OerHeks> gagalicious, 100 pxe clients on one server, have you ever seen that?
[20:26] <gagalicious> OerHeks: not 30Ghz right? cpu poewr
[20:26] <gagalicious> OerHeks: cybercafe?
[20:26] <p5yc071c> allizom:  I had ubuntu running alone on my macbookpro...and it was great except for the webcam
[20:26] <gagalicious> OerHeks: student campus computers?
[20:26] <OerHeks> gagalicious, that would be more than one server, i am sure.
[20:27] <gagalicious> OerHeks: usually how many per server?  20?
[20:27] <Yukkii> SSH auth-keys y u no werk
[20:29] <OerHeks> gagalicious, anyway, that is the rule i deploy on pxe.
[20:29] <p5yc071c> Uni0n_: I vaguely remember having to do some monkey business to get the Mac to take Ubuntu...it wasn't super straight forward..
[20:29] <p5yc071c> Uni0n_: what hardware are you on?
[20:30] <OerHeks> Yukkii, see the manual ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Keys
[20:31] <Yukkii> OerHeks: Trust me, we've done all that
[20:31] <OerHeks> Yukkii, did you restart the ssh service after edit?
[20:31] <Yukkii> Yes
[20:31] <OerHeks> Yukkii, than what's wrong? what error do you get?
[20:31] <Yukkii> No error, still asks for pw
[20:32] <OerHeks> ah, did you disable password login in the conf ?
[20:32] <Yukkii> It's not root user
[20:32] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Configuring#disable-password-authentication
[20:32] <bwood> Anyone have experience with Debian under parallels for Mac?  Specifically to scale the screen?
[20:33] <bwood> Scaling seems to have 0 effect.
[20:33] <brgh> bwood: would you not want the #debian channel
[20:33] <MonkeyDust> bwood  type /j #debian
[20:34] <s230u> J'ai installé Kubuntu en Français et dans les tty les accents (é è etc) apparaissent mal. Mais dans le terminal de KDE les accents apparaissent.
[20:34] <MonkeyDust> !fr
[20:34] <Bray90820> so I have an SAMBA share and some files show on the server but not the client
[20:34] <vfw> Bray90820: Same directory?
[20:35] <Bray90820> vfw: what do you mean
[20:35] <vfw> Bray90820: The server is Linux, Right?
[20:35] <vfw> Bray90820: The client is __________?
[20:36] <Bray90820> ubuntu 14.04 as the server and the client is ubuntu 15.04
[20:36] <Bray90820> vfw:
[20:36] <bekks> Bray90820: In that case, I'd use NFS.
[20:36] <bwood> Actually my question was for Ubuntu
[20:36] <vfw> Bray90820: What I meant was, are the invisible files in the same direcory as the visible ones?
[20:36] <bwood> Ubunu
[20:36] <bwood> ubuntu
[20:37] <vfw> Bray90820: I agree with bwood.  I would just use nfs
[20:37] <Bray90820> vfw: what do you mean by invisible files
[20:37] <MonkeyDust> Bray90820  samba is used for windows shares
[20:37] <vfw> Bray90820: I don't know.  You might need to re-state your question.
[20:38] <vfw> Bray90820: I mentioned wrong nick.  I ment to say I agree with bekks that you should just use nfs
[20:39] <vfw> !nfs | Bray90820
[20:39] <s230u> Hi I installed Kubuntu in French. In the tty I have a problem with accented characters. Instead of é for example I see weird stuff like AaaaA
[20:41] <MonkeyDust> s230u  try this    sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[20:41] <s230u> MonkeyDust: Its not the keyboard.
[20:41] <s230u> Its like the output of programmes
[20:41] <s230u> Like if apt-get displays something with a é it does not appear right
[20:42] <s230u> But in a gui terminal it works in Konsole in KDE I see the é
[20:42] <SCHAAP137> isn't that a locale setting?
[20:42] <Bray90820> vfw: first I had some files that I copied to a SAMBA Share that's running on ubuntu 14.04 then I renamed them and the names didn't appear to change and then i went to the server I was able to rename and move them properly but the changes never showed on the client
[20:45] <MonkeyDust> s230u  if SCHAAP137 was talking to you, i agree, check the locales, e.g. UTC-8
[20:45] <amaroq> hi
[20:45] <s230u> The locales are right as apt etc gives output in french sentences
[20:46] <s230u> It must be a tty font issue I thing the font has no accents supported
[20:46] <s230u> so weird characters appear
[20:46] <amaroq> installed ubuntu and then wine to run a program but getting proxy server dialog pop up during installation which is unusual . anyone know why that might be happening?
[20:46] <amaroq> !wine
[20:47] <Bray90820> Apperently changes I make on the server don't show on the client and changes I make in the client don't show on the server
[20:47] <MonkeyDust> s230u  with tty, do you mean Terminal, or ctrl-alt-F1 ?
[20:47] <s230u> ctrl alt f1
[20:47] <MonkeyDust> ok
[20:47] <s230u> Terminal works
[20:48] <amaroq> Another issue. Time & Date settings > unable to add another clock for another city. worked in 14.10 but not in this 15.04 version. anyone?
[20:49] <MonkeyDust> s230u  that's odd, i have the opposite, tty layout is correct, but Terminal isnt... i solve this with the keyboard configuration command... maybe it's useful for you too
[20:50] <s230u> MonkeyDust: What command? Yes I have a layout issue too
[20:50] <MonkeyDust> s230u  try this    sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[20:50] <s230u> As I use a US keyboard but French installation
[20:50] <MonkeyDust> aha
[20:51] <MonkeyDust> s230u  nope, no clue then, i'm sure someone else can  help better
[20:52] <rypervenche> s230u: What's up? I use a French layout.
[20:53] <s230u> rypervenche: I have Kubuntu installed in French. In the TTY's the french accents do not appear
[20:54] <rypervenche> s230u: Try installing console-data if it's not already installed and then running "sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-data"
[20:56] <amaroq> Anyone have idea why i may be xperiencing issues with wine and mt4 that i have not with other distros?
[20:57] <amaroq> does ubuntu have a firewall built in?
[20:57] <MonkeyDust> amaroq  it's called iptables
[20:57] <amaroq> MonkeyDust, can you say more?
[20:57] <s230u> rypervenche: Not working
[20:58] <rypervenche> s230u: What happened when you tried?
[20:58] <MonkeyDust> !iptables | amaroq I can't, but ubottu can
[20:58] <s230u> I mean the problem with the layout is gone... but the output of programes e.g I see something like TAaalAachargements instead of Télécharements for apt-get
[20:58] <s230u> *Télechargements
[20:59] <s230u> rypervenche: installing and config console-data
[20:59] <s230u> and reconfiguring keyboard layout
[21:00] <rypervenche> s230u: So now the TTY is correct, but not your terminal emulators?
[21:00] <amaroq> MonkeyDust, crickey... can i just turn it off? lol... never dealt with this before and not had this issue before... I just need to install something (mt4) using wine, without running into proxy=server issues because i can't access their website directly
[21:00] <s230u> rypervenche: No terminal emulators work fine the tty does not
[21:01] <rypervenche> s230u: Please pastebin the output of "locale" for me.
[21:01] <s230u> http://pastebin.com/jhd7QF13
[21:01] <rypervenche> s230u: I don't know if it's possible actually. Let me check my system.
[21:01] <en1gma> im on ubuntu 14.04 and have broadcom 4352 wifi card. this is the driver i (trying) to use "bcmwl-kernel-source" if i try to sudo modprobe wl it says module not found
[21:02] <en1gma> its not /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist that i can see
[21:02] <s230u> Also why is it Fr_ca? I would like it to be Fr_fr. I didn see an option while installing but I installed it in Québec does the installer use network to get the language?
[21:03] <rypervenche> s230u: You can change that as well. Give me one moment.
[21:04] <s230u> rypervenche: Porbably does not make much of a difference though since I have not noticed anything I didn't understand
[21:04] <gagalicious> how do i prevent other users running as my pxe clients from being able to do sudo / root stuff?
[21:05] <bloopz> Hi. Ubuntu 14.04 laptop internal mic isn't working. Halp pls.
[21:05] <mo1ok> Which model laptop?
[21:05] <bloopz> toshiba something
[21:06] <bloopz> satellite
[21:06] <bloopz> L645D
[21:10] <gagalicious>  how do i prevent other users running as my pxe clients from being able to change into a user with sudo group access and thereafter try to do sudo  / root stuff? my pxe client users are top programmer/hackers. they can brute force password into my linux user in their sudo group.
[21:11] <rypervenche> s230u: Yeah, it should work. Works for me in a TTY in fr_FR.UTF-8. Let me see what I can find for you.
[21:17] <gagalicious> i just installed a new server... 500GB disk with only 4GB of disk used. i would like to "image back" for "restore" of this image. i did dd if=/dev/sdd conv=sync,noerror bs=64K | gzip -c > freshimage.img ... it took 45GB+ as file space. does anyone have a solution that can gimme a backup image of 4GB only? what's taking the rest of the 41GB for dd? i only need the useful binary data of the whole server that's all. can that be done?
[21:21] <gagalicious> i would like to build a resilient desktop... fault tolerence and failover. does anyone know how do i do that? with two desktops... how can i use one monitor for both of them?
[21:21] <gagalicious> i mean... how do i build a fault tolerant resilient desktop?
[21:21] <MonkeyDust> s230u  hope i'm not trolling, but in tty, the command i suggested works: the keyboard layout changes, without affecting Terminal
[21:23] <s230u> MonkeyDust: I know but my issue is not the keyboard layout but the output of programms
[21:23] <s230u> Like the stuff apt-get outputs to the screen
[21:24] <s230u> E.g Paramétrage de console-data (2:1.12-5
[21:24] <s230u> not stuff I type
[21:48] <Paul92> Hi. I have an Odroid board (sort of a raspberry pi) and I attached a wifi dongle. The problem is that I cannot connect to WPA2 networks (I get an authentification error). Do you have any idea how to fix this?
[21:48] <Paul92> I get the same error in both network manager and wicd
[21:49] <arooni-mobile> how do i remap the microsoft sculpts mouse i bought so that the windows key becomes the 'forward' button?
[21:51] <SCHAAP137> no idea arooni-mobile, i have a different mouse
[21:51] <SCHAAP137> ms wireless desktop 2000 here
[21:52] <Johnny_Linux> not sure if it still exists, but im-wheel might give a look
[21:52] <Johnny_Linux> loooong time ago,
[22:03] <pashaman> Anyone here have an ASUS UX305FA laptop and having function key issues?  Specifically, having issues with the brightness function keys?
[22:06] <traekili> ubottu, !backlight
[22:06] <traekili> ubottu, !backlight
[22:07] <Johnny_Linux> sit ooboo
[22:26] <marketing2> hello
[22:26] <DF3D2> can someone please help? I removed network-manager and I made my own /etc/network/interfaces file and now I can only ping my router.. I have the dns stuff in /etc/resolv.conf and in /etc/network/interfaces i dont understand the problem
[22:27] <DF3D2> i have dns-nameservers <IP_ADDRESS> and dns-search <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:27] <PhoenixSTF> hello I have a bit of an issue with the 3.16 kernel on 14.04, it ipsec verify states that they are no ipsec modules in the kernel
[22:29] <rco> Given a list of shared object dependencies of a dynamically linked binary, how would I figure out what ubuntu packages it depends on (for the purpose of making a .deb package)?
[22:30] <rco> In other words, is there a way to discover what ubuntu package provides a library?
[22:31] <mgolisch> rco: theres apt-file
[22:31] <MonkeyDust> rco  try apt-cache depends [package]
[22:31] <rco> It's not a package yet; just a binary. I'm trying to make a package.
[22:33] <mgolisch> or you can lookup by using packages.ubuntu.com
[22:33] <mgolisch> i think it can search by filename too like apt-file
[22:37] <rco> Okay, searching by filename in the ubuntu package manager seems to work.
[22:37] <rco> It would be cool if there was a utility that would do this, though.
[22:46] <bdfgr> hi, how do i remove ubuntu spyware???
[22:46] <john-doe> lol
[22:46] <john-doe> have same problem but like wow
[22:46] <john-doe> all my 3 computer
[22:47] <john-doe> was totally destroyed by tracking cooking 0o'
[22:48] <john-doe> this thing is damn anoying
[22:48] <MonkeyDust> bdfgr  what 'spyware' are you referring to?
[22:48] <boriseto> How to make certain apps to always start maximized?
[22:49] <john-doe> lol im even scare to mentioned them as for me ^^
[22:50] <bdfgr> MonkeyDust, i'm talking about ubuntu sending my search usage to amazon
[22:50] <john-doe> worst in all i have proof source,scan, and actually complete script of those
[22:50] <k1l> john-doe: what are you talking about?
[22:50] <MonkeyDust> bdfgr  system settings > privacy > Search
[22:51] <john-doe> everywhere i called to gave the source in order to help dev understand tracking cookie  didnt wanted to have anything to do with that and tsayd it doesnt exist
[22:51] <john-doe> about spyware lol
[22:51] <bdfgr> MonkeyDust, i want to completely remove it from my ubuntu?
[22:51] <k1l> bdfgr: its not spyware. and if you dont want that search results then set it to off in the privacy settings.
[22:51] <john-doe> apyware calling them all together got 3 vmachine down in about 2 hour yesterday
[22:51] <Guest68318> how do i define an upstart script to run each time the machine boots up?
[22:51] <Guest68318> for ubuntu 14.04?
[22:52] <MonkeyDust> Guest68318  you can use @reboot in crontab
[22:52] <bdfgr> i'm also a new to linux
[22:52] <NegativeFlare> Guest68318: I've done it.
[22:52] <NegativeFlare> But haven't really used upstart
[22:52] <MonkeyDust> bdfgr  then it's normal that you're a bit scared
[22:52] <NegativeFlare> the one I wrote uses /etc/init.d/
[22:53] <john-doe> so same here ? no one have any knowledge about ''callers'' hidden cookie or can share some knowledge about how to deal with them?
[22:53] <NegativeFlare> Guest68318: https://github.com/Flare183/initd_scripts/blob/master/tablet_initd
[22:53] <WarboyIndia> I'm new to irc.
[22:53] <Guest68318> NegativeFlare: is that upstart, or the newer approach for ubuntu?
[22:54] <NegativeFlare> Guest68318: No, its legacy, but upstart will use it.
[22:54] <WarboyIndia> These people joining and leaving is pretty annoying. how can I shut it down?
[22:54] <WarboyIndia> are*
[22:54] <k1l> john-doe: what are you talking about? if you just hop on the "its spyware!!!!11111" FUD, then there is no motivation to help. so what are you talking about exactly?
[22:54] <hexafraction> WarboyIndia: Which client are you using?
[22:54] <Guest68318> i heard upstart is being replaced
[22:54] <k1l> WarboyIndia: depends on your client
[22:54] <WarboyIndia> xChat-Gnome
[22:54] <NegativeFlare> Guest68318: Systemd
[22:54] <Guest68318> should i use upstart syntax, or will Systemd work with ubuntu 14.04?
[22:54] <john-doe> lol
[22:55] <hexafraction> WarboyIndia: If you right-click the channel name, settings, hide join/part messages
[22:55]  * NegativeFlare sighs
[22:55] <john-doe> isnare, iesnare, mpsnare, lltm.tol.
[22:55] <k1l> WarboyIndia: first: dont use xchat-gnome. use xchat, that is not that cut down. then right click on the channel name in the left list and choose "hide join/parts"
[22:55] <hexafraction> (although I don't use XChat personally)
[22:55] <WarboyIndia> done! Thank you :D
[22:55] <john-doe> it my first time using it
[22:56] <WarboyIndia> ok. I'll change it soon.
[22:56] <NegativeFlare> Guest68318: again, the script I wrote. Is legacy, but it still works with upstart and probably systemd
[22:56] <k1l> john-doe: that doesnt make any sense. with ubuntu
[22:56] <john-doe> so yep that the most annoying thing ive leave since a while yesterday , i never gave my real identity on the internet, for me this is just normal stuff
[22:57] <john-doe> im always using a vpn, and im building lab for pen testing (never hacked anything else then my own machine)
[22:57] <WarboyIndia> I have started learning shell scripting.  Any idea?
[22:59] <bdfgr> MonkeyDust, how can i completely remove that feature from ubuntu?
[22:59] <pokergod> when I'm dual screening, the launcher is shown on each monitor.  Is there a way to isolate the launcher to only that monitor?  I hate clicking on the launcher only to find the window is on the other monitor...
[22:59] <k1l> bdfgr: dont get scared.
[22:59] <MonkeyDust> bdfgr  you can't... you could create your custom ubuntu distro, tho   (joke)
[23:00] <SchrodingersScat> WarboyIndia: have you seen the wooledge wiki?  It's a great learning resource, and looking over the FAQ's and pitfalls can probably save you some time, http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide
[23:00] <Guest68318> do i need to install anything to implement systemd on ubuntu 14.04?
[23:00] <k1l> bdfgr: if you set it to off, its off. and again: its not spyware. if you do a google search you dont call that spyware, right? so the search dash is a global search as standard.
[23:01] <WarboyIndia> SchrodingersScat: Woha! Thanks. I'll refer to it.
[23:01] <bdfgr> MonkeyDust, i forgot the reference, in ubuntu forums i read it somewhere this command, sudo apt-get remove unity-****-shopping ???
[23:01] <MonkeyDust> bdfgr  i guess that would ruin your ubuntu, don't do that
[23:02] <k1l> Guest68318: i dont think that it is easy to get systemd running on 14.04. it was a really alpha state at that time. on 15.04 its standard init
[23:02] <Guest68318> ah, ok
[23:02] <k1l> bdfgr: that depends on you actual ubuntu version
[23:02] <Guest68318> i need an upstart script then to execute a python script `app.py` each time the machine boots up
[23:02] <bdfgr> it is latest stable, i.e. ubuntu 14.04.2
[23:03] <MonkeyDust> bdfgr  15.04 is the latest stable, you mean latest LTS
[23:03] <Guest68318> will upstart work on future releases (say ubuntu 16.04), or will systemd complete replace upstart?
[23:03] <bdfgr> yes, sorry
[23:03] <bdfgr> LTS
[23:03] <k1l> Guest68318: it will be replaced then. by systemd.
[23:04] <Guest68318> got it
[23:04] <MonkeyDust> bdfgr  disable the online search setting and never think about it again
[23:04] <MonkeyDust> online/amazon*
[23:04] <Guest68318> could someone assist me write an upstart script?
[23:05] <k1l> !upstart
[23:05] <k1l> Guest68318: see this, i cant contribute more, sadly
[23:06] <bdfgr> ok, thanks, and how do i check hashes thing on softwares i install from internet? is every software has different way to verify it's authenticity or i can check all softwares in the same way?
[23:07] <pokergod> when I'm dual screening, the launcher is shown on each monitor.  Is there a way to isolate the launcher to only that monitor?  I hate clicking on the launcher only to find the window is on the other monitor...
[23:07] <MonkeyDust> bdfgr  best to confine yourself to what's in the repos (software sources)
[23:07] <k1l> bdfgr: first: you dont load stuff from anywhere to install it. ubuntu got a package system that ships a lot of software already. use that. that is checked by hash while loading it form the ubuntu servers
[23:08] <bdfgr> i want to install tor browser, but it is not in repos? so how i check if what i downloaded is really the real tor browser?
[23:08] <k1l> !tor | bdfgr
[23:09] <bdfgr> !hash checking | bdfgr
[23:10] <bazhang> !hashes | bdfgr
[23:10] <Bashing-om> DF3D2: Still aeaiting ? What is set in " cat /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf " [ifupdown] >> managed=false ??
[23:10] <Bashing-om> awaiting *
[23:11] <bdfgr> no, i mean i know what tor is, but how do you guys verify if i downloaded the right / authentic software in linux?
[23:11] <DF3D2> Bashing-om: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11812885/
[23:11] <DF3D2> Bashing-om: trying to make a bridge work
[23:11] <k1l> bdfgr: see what tor offers as hashes
[23:13] <Bashing-om> DF3D2: I do not know about setting up a brideged network, But I do know that you have to tell the systestem that you will manage the network, and not network-manager . My last applies .
[23:13] <MonkeyDust> bdfgr  if it comes from the repos, then it's authentic ... especially for beginners like yourself: don't start using unscreened and potentially dangerous softwzre
[23:13] <SchrodingersScat> bdfgr: they give sig files: https://www.torproject.org/docs/verifying-signatures.html.en
[23:16] <scrybe> for a reverse shell from virtualbox (win7) to kali host, do i need to enable port forwarding for the vm to allow the outgoing connection?
[23:17] <MonkeyDust> scrybe  kali and windows are not supported here
[23:17] <scrybe> just saw the channel
[23:22] <FreezingDroid> With apt-get, how can I uninstall all packages installed within the past hour?
[23:23] <k1l> FreezingDroid: you need to look into the log in "/var/log/apt/" what you installed in the last hour and then "sudo apt-get remove 1 2 3 4" where 1,2,3,4 are the package names
[23:23] <NegativeFlare> FreezingDroid: You'll have to look in apt's logs yourself and do it manually. :/
[23:24] <SchrodingersScat> FreezingDroid: go through your /var/log/apt/history.log ?
[23:24] <FreezingDroid> How do I remove dependencies automatically?
[23:24] <SchrodingersScat> FreezingDroid: apt-get autoremove
[23:24] <rypervenche> FreezingDroid: You could do a little text file editing to get the list from your history.log and then get that to go into your apt-get.
[23:24] <NegativeFlare> FreezingDroid: autoremove should fix that.
[23:24] <FreezingDroid> so apt-get autoremove remove?
[23:25] <k1l> FreezingDroid: "apt-get autoremove" will remove the depencies that are not needed anymore
[23:25] <NegativeFlare> FreezingDroid: no, apt-get remove <packages>
[23:25] <NegativeFlare> then
[23:25] <NegativeFlare> apt-get autoremove
[23:25] <FreezingDroid> apt-get remove --purge --auto-remove <package>?
[23:25] <FreezingDroid> looks like that'll work
[23:26] <NegativeFlare> ehh
[23:29] <Bashing-om> DF3D2: Still with me ?
[23:31] <Guest68318> when i create my upstart script, and i have the line `start on runlevel [2345]`, does it matter if i have [2345], or [5235]
[23:32] <Guest68318> is the number between the square bracket a pid for the upstart script?
[23:36] <MonkeyDust> Guest68318  no, it means 2 3 4 or 5
[23:37] <Guest68318> what are runlevels?
[23:37] <MonkeyDust> !runlevel
[23:37] <MonkeyDust> hm, that doesnt explain it
[23:38] <MonkeyDust> Guest68318  http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Run_Levels
[23:38] <Guest68318> so, `start on runlevel [2345]` means start runlevels on 2,3, 4, 5
[23:39] <Hobbet1> Guest68318 why are you in linux room asking the same question
[23:39] <Guest68318> bc i'm guilty as charged
[23:40] <jin7> hi
[23:42] <jin7> how can I unpack many tar.bz2 files that  in diffrent folders?
[23:43] <Warfront1> I'm attempting to turn a ubuntu 12.04 server install into a Socks 5 proxy server to allow external clients to connect to. Does anyone have a clean cut article/tutorial to acheive this?
[23:43] <NegativeFlare> jin7: Have you tried extracting them all at once?
[23:43] <jin7> yes.
[23:48] <rypervenche> jin7: You can run a for or while loop and use tar -C /where/you/want/them/extracted/
[23:51] <moses> how much space do i need to comfortbly install ubuntu on a laptop
[23:52] <OerHeks> 50 gb is nice
[23:53] <rypervenche> moses: You don't really need much. It depends on what you'll be adding afterward.
[23:53] <OerHeks> I use 17/128 now
[23:53] <OerHeks> yeah, not the programs, but your data
[23:54] <moses> just coding
[23:54] <moses> on it
[23:54] <k1l> 15GB for / partition, rest for /home.
[23:54] <gagalicious> apt-get install live-initramfs not found... how do i do this?
[23:55] <k1l> !info live-initramfs
[23:58] <MonkeyDust> !find initramfs


[00:32] <ScottL> hi troy, read your latest and like it
[00:32] <ScottL> i've been working on a bigger sized post and should be through soon which should be followed by a few shorter ones, even talking about blender :)
[00:33] <ScottL> TheMuso, i heard Poettering talking today about systemd, he really impressed himself with his work on it :P
[00:33] <TheMuso> ScottL: Yeah I've heard about it.
[00:34] <ScottL> i knew you about systemd already, you and talked briefly about it before, but it was a little weird hearing him fawn over his own work though (even if it is good)
[00:36] <TheMuso> Lennart is good at doing that.
[00:49] <ScottL> TheMuso, question about working with the seeds
[00:49] <TheMuso> ScottL: Sure.
[00:50] <ScottL> should multiple changes be broken between different versions?
[00:50] <ScottL> e.g. adding lv2 applications and perhaps hydrogen-drumkits
[00:57] <ScottL> TheMuso, i guess my question could be better asked as...should disparate changes be avoided in the same branch revision for clarity ?
[00:57] <TheMuso> ScottL: No, as long as you clearly state in the ocmmit message what has been changed, thats fine.
[01:14] <ScottL> TheMuso, it may appear that i am asymptotically approaching adding things to the seeds but i want to make sure i have some time afterwards to fix anything that might go wrong
[01:14] <ScottL> hopefully this week though it will be done :)
[01:23] <TheMuso> ScottL: ok cool.
[01:23] <TheMuso> ScottL: Let me know when its done, and I'll upload a new ubuntustudio-meta package.
[01:29] <ScottL> TheMuso, did you read anything that falktx mentioned earlier about aptitude and it causing the installation to fail?  aptitude should still be in the repos I would imagine, just not shipped with desktop
[01:42] <ScottL> i've already downloaded the server ISO and am downloading the daily studio ISO and will test at least the server ISO tonight, my guess is that it was him installing in VM though
[04:12] <TheMuso> ScottL: no I didn't, but afaik aptitude is not shipped by default, even ni Studio.
[04:12] <TheMuso> in
[04:15] <ScottL> TheMuso, this link shows that aptitude_0.6.3-2ubuntu3_i386.deb is included: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/daily/current/maverick-alternate-i386.list
[04:15] <TheMuso> hrm ok
[04:16]  * TheMuso checks seeds.
[04:29] <TheMuso> hrm not sure what pulls it in.
[04:44] <ScottL> TheMuso, i discovered some other information...aptitude-<IP_ADDRESS> has been in maverick since 4/9/10 but replaced by a series of builds that failed or had dependency issues
[04:45] <ScottL> aptitude-0.3.2-2ubuntu3 was finally release 7/30/10    or three days ago
[04:45] <ScottL> *shrug* maybe something is up with aptitude
[04:45] <ScottL> i'm downloading the ubuntustudio-maverick ISO tonight and tomorrow i'll try to install it
[04:54] <ScottL> err, that should be aptitude-0.6.3-2ubuntu3 released 7/30/10


[02:44] <andreas___> hi
[02:46] <andreas___> doesn't upstart have a log file? I am trying to find out why my script doesn't work, but there isn't anything in syslog or elsewhere


[01:31] <mhall119> thanks daker
[13:10] <PabloRubianes> thanks daker I just saw what you said, I tried the bzr>=2.6 but did not work, I will try that today
[15:59] <daker> PabloRubianes: get the last version of trunk & test
[17:19] <PabloRubianes> daker: Iam @office ATM... but I will try it at night


[03:10]  * akk waves from the Mountain View Ubuntu Hour
[03:13] <jtatum> drew is on akk's computer, in case he starts trolling ;)
[03:13] <akk> hello (this is nUboon2Age).  waves from akk's computer
[03:29] <pleia2> jtatum: haha
[03:41] <seidos> using other people's computers?!  how obscene!
[03:47] <seidos> the 2 recycling machines by where i live aren't taking plastic bottles anymore :|
[03:47] <seidos> not sure why
[03:47] <seidos> i speculated that it may be because of the price of oil or something
[18:31] <projectdp> hello
[18:31] <projectdp> wondering if Drew is here?
[18:31] <nhaines> projectdp: nobody here but us chickens.
[18:32] <projectdp> the thing is
[18:32] <projectdp> i somehow saw an event for this weekend
[18:32] <projectdp> near san jose, california
[18:32] <projectdp> from ubuntu CA group
[18:32] <projectdp> but i don't see it on the site
[18:32] <projectdp> :(
[18:32] <projectdp> maybe i can't find the site now
[18:33] <nhaines> Do you remember if it was an Ubuntu Hour type of event?
[18:33] <projectdp> i believe so
[18:34] <projectdp> i don't see it here: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-california/events
[18:34] <nhaines> I'm a liiitle busy at work right now, or I'd check for you, but see if http://loco.ubuntu.com/ has any informatoin.
[18:34] <nhaines> Aha, well then.  :)
[18:34] <nhaines> You can check the mailing list archive, maybe.
[18:34] <projectdp> oh wait
[18:34] <pleia2> looks like there was one on the 14th, but not seeing anything for today (nothing on loco directory, no announcement on the mailing list or forums)
[18:34] <projectdp> maybe it's
[18:35] <projectdp> maybe i wrote down the Online Meeting date?
[18:35] <projectdp> Online Meetings
[18:35] <projectdp> Every other Sunday
[18:35] <projectdp> @ 7:00pm PT
[18:35] <pleia2> maybe :)
[18:35] <projectdp> anyone know how that works?
[18:35] <projectdp> ahh probably this
[18:35] <pleia2> you join this channel at 7PM on Sunday
[18:35] <projectdp> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11April24
[18:35] <projectdp> well wth i'm on all the time anyway
[18:35]  * pleia2 nods
[18:36] <pleia2> meetings are open to everyone
[18:36] <pleia2> we need to plan some release parties, we're working on one for san francisco but the venue still isn't settled (I think grantbow is going over to thirsty bear today)
[18:36] <projectdp> i thought there was another local one this weekend, damn
[18:46] <projectdp> i wouldn't really know how to host one
[20:46] <projectdp> ohh, i figured it out. the one i was talking about was the Mountain View Ubuntu Hour, and it was last night, not on Sunday
[20:46] <projectdp> Damn.
[20:47] <pleia2> doh
[20:55] <seidos> projectdp: just get 'em next time
[21:00] <projectdp> will do seidos
[21:15] <projectdp> it just seems so far away
[21:16] <seidos> ah, well that's another story projectdp
[21:17] <projectdp> so bored
[21:17] <projectdp> what do you do for a living seidos?
[21:17] <projectdp> better yet, for fun?
[21:20] <seidos> for fun?
[21:20] <seidos> hmmmm
[21:20] <seidos> read, write
[21:20] <seidos> meditate
[21:53] <projectdp> sounds good
[21:53] <projectdp> sorry i went to lunch
[21:53] <projectdp> what do you meditate on?
[21:55] <seidos> the body, the breath
[21:55] <seidos> those are 2 common ones
[21:55] <seidos> don't listen to me though, i really suck at it
[21:56] <seidos> but then, i'm not sure that anybody is all that good at it projectdp
[22:09] <projectdp> the way you answer makes me think that you feel is an effort-laden process
[22:10] <projectdp> to me i thought it was more like an effortlessness, yet control of concentration


[00:24] <koolhead17> hi all
[04:07] <vrturbo> hi all
[04:07] <vrturbo> have two problems
[04:07] <vrturbo> have a private openstack cloud that needs http proxy for apt
[04:08] <vrturbo> how do I bootstrap and have the zookeeper use the apt-proxy?
[04:08] <vrturbo> second issue, how to define the default instance flavor for juju deploments
[04:08] <vrturbo> ?
[05:34] <imbrandon> where can i get the machine id for a unit, no other context is set , its from an outside script running on a node, so no hook etc
[05:35] <imbrandon> i'm looking to pass it on cli to a app with --machine_id as the docs say, they just dont say what it is exactly or where to obtain it properly ( or any way at all )
[11:43] <victorp> hi
[11:43] <victorp> I am doing a juju upgrade-charm
[11:43] <victorp> and guess what my new charm update was broken
[11:43] <victorp> I have ssh into the instance and fixed it and now I would like to do a new upgrade-charm but the state of the instance is on an error
[11:44] <victorp> and upgrade wont work, is there any way to change that or do it need to destroy the service and start again?
[12:01] <imbrandon> victorp: juju resolved service/N
[12:01] <victorp> imbrandon, thanks!
[12:02] <victorp> do you also happen to know how to access file that have being copied as part of the charm, there must be a env variable or something for the folder no?
[12:03] <imbrandon> in /var/lib/juju/ somewhere
[12:03] <imbrandon> cant rember right off
[12:03] <imbrandon> iirc
[12:05] <victorp> imbrandon, thanks I solved it :) I was assuming that it was running under /charm/hooks rather than /charm/
[12:07] <victorp> imbrandon, who is your wordpress charm coming along?
[12:14] <imbrandon> good good
[12:15] <imbrandon> oh i just read your blog posts :)
[12:16] <imbrandon> took me a minute to put 2+2 :) but yea, i'm working on the nginx charms ( its broken into a few ) and the drupal charms mostly ( and the omg-wp custom wordpress one ) marcoceppi is doing most of the new wordpress one, but they all are based on work we did on omg-wp
[12:16] <imbrandon> :)
[12:18] <imbrandon> victorp: i noticed in the branch too it looked like you copy/pasted one of the hooks, it may just be the way loggerhead shows it as i dident check it out but if so just fyi symlinking works fine
[12:18] <imbrandon> with hooks
[12:19] <victorp> imbrandon, I just run into that problem and changed it into a link - hopefully should be fine now
[12:19] <imbrandon> :)
[12:20] <imbrandon> also there is "juju debug-hooks <service> <hook>" too if you get stuck, thats a life saver along with the jitsu wrapper/tools
[12:21] <imbrandon> afk a few, but i'll be round all day if ya catch a snag
[12:21] <victorp> imbrandon, cool I will start trying that
[12:21] <victorp> imbrandon, thanks a lot
[12:21] <imbrandon> np
[14:06] <surgemcgee> Has anyone else figured out how to use a debconf-set-selections with Mercurial, git, or svn already? If  not, any other ways to use a password with repositorys?
[14:11] <surgemcgee> Ok, looks like I can preconfigure the .hg/hgrc file in the project init.
[14:56] <jcastro> negronjl: SpamapS: You guys have change access to the new charm pilot calendar, bus factor
[15:01] <SpamapS> jcastro: I'll just remind you that I do not see messages that aren't ^SpamapS
[15:01] <jcastro> k
[15:01]  * SpamapS wonders if irssi could be fixed to highlight on the whole line
[15:08] <imbrandon> SpamapS: depends on how much perl you want to dig into :)
[15:09] <imbrandon> jcastro: hey on your way back down south, just stop off at KC and drop me a conney , kthxbia.
[15:14] <imbrandon> then con someone over there to drop me a in-and-out burger from the left coast and i'll be set ( never grabbed on in SFO, totally skipped it LOL )
[15:15] <aljosa> i have a juju agent using ~95% cpu "/usr/bin/python -m juju.agents.machine --nodaemon --logfile /tmp/local-dev/root-local/machine-agent.log --session-file /var/run/juju/root-local-machine-agent.zksession"
[15:15] <aljosa> any idea what's wrong with my installation/setup? or is it some bug?
[15:15] <imbrandon> do you have debug-log running ?
[15:16] <imbrandon> iirc that will send zk into a frenzy sometimes ... other than that, anything more to go on ?
[15:17] <aljosa> no, but log has mostly zookeeper errors "ZOO_ERROR@handle_socket_error_msg@1528: Socket [<IP_ADDRESS>:50821] zk retcode=-7, errno=110(Connection timed out): connection timed out (exceeded timeout by 0ms)"
[15:19] <imbrandon> hrm, past me, maybe SpamapS or hazmat will pop in soonish and be able to help you trace it a bit more
[15:20] <SpamapS> imbrandon: honestly.. in n out is only good because everything over there is such crap. Here in LA we make fun of in n out. ;)
[15:20] <SpamapS> Its not "bad" per se.. but its just not deserving of the reputation it has from outside the state.
[15:21] <hazmat> ah.. its local provider post reboot
[15:21] <SpamapS> aljosa: kill it
[15:21] <SpamapS> hazmat: hopefully we'll get that SRU to -proposed today
[15:23] <_mup_> juju/proposed-support r488 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:23] <_mup_> enable proposed on main AND universe.
[15:24] <aljosa> is this some zookeeper related bug? log is basically full of zookeeper connection errors, timeout or something like "Exceeded deadline by 821282ms"
[15:24] <hazmat> aljosa, the local provider environment doesn't survive reboots
[15:25] <aljosa> ok, thanks for help and your time
[15:28] <m_3> SpamapS: the last line of my irssi config file is `hilights = ( { text = "m_3"; nick = "yes"; word = "yes"; } );` which seems to do what you're saying... I think that's stock and not a plugin
[15:37] <SpamapS> m_3: will try that, thanks
[15:38] <m_3> I think the `text` part is magic SpamapS see if you see this
[15:38] <imbrandon> m_3: i think he means the whole line and not just the word
[15:38] <imbrandon> err name
[15:39] <m_3> imbrandon: right... that'll hilight the line when the text is matched anywhere in the line... not just the nick match
[15:39] <m_3> afaik
[15:39] <imbrandon> oh yea it will
[15:39] <m_3> _heavily_ copied/pasted without full understanding :)
[15:40] <imbrandon> i took it as the other way as in like when you select with your mouse the line
[15:40] <imbrandon> as in yea, it does what your saying we just both took SpamapS statement diffrent ways that at this minute both seem correct
[15:40] <imbrandon> lol
[15:41] <imbrandon> like you konw the "current line hilight" in an IDE
[15:41] <imbrandon> thats how i was thinking, not that the word was said on that line
[15:41] <m_3> recommend adv_windowlist.pl too
[15:41] <imbrandon> yup, i cant live with out that one
[15:43] <imbrandon> m_3: http://cl.ly/Gzi2
[15:43] <imbrandon> see how mine hilights, just the name :) i was thinking for that whole line to turn yellow
[15:44] <imbrandon> was the goal
[15:44] <imbrandon> :)
[15:46] <m_3> imbrandon: http://files.markmims.com/irssi.png
[15:46] <m_3> actually like the bitlbee twitter plugin
[15:47] <imbrandon> i used btlbee for a while but i couldent get used to it
[15:48] <imbrandon> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1013228/
[15:48] <m_3> I just forget the dang commands and have to hunt around every time
[15:48] <imbrandon> m_3: that fnotify.pl one is very very nice, it sends my desktop or wherever i am notify-osd commands remote
[15:49] <imbrandon> of mentions etc from my irssi running on the server somewhere else while attached
[15:49] <m_3> yeah, I have fnotify in there, but never took the time to set it up
[15:49] <m_3> you get it to sms or just growl / gnome-notify?
[15:49] <imbrandon> its real easy if you only use one or two machines
[15:49] <m_3> I just use one... always on, just attach/detach
[15:49] <imbrandon> growl notify-osd ( for kde too )
[15:50] <m_3> oh, but for client yeah... I'm on several
[15:50] <imbrandon> but its very clean and easy to modify
[15:50] <imbrandon> i bet it would take 5 min to make work withj prowl
[15:50] <m_3> really want it to just notify to the ipad/iphone
[15:50] <imbrandon> thats prowl
[15:50]  * m_3 note to google prowl later
[15:50] <m_3> thanks
[15:50] <imbrandon> its push growl to the phone / pad / desktop
[15:51] <imbrandon> free middle man service , and you have to get a 1.99 ( not a scam ) ios app, but the desktop and other apps are free
[15:51] <m_3> cool
[15:51] <imbrandon> they are the equiv of growl infact it uses growl on the desktop
[15:51] <m_3> sounds liek just the ticket
[15:52] <m_3> oops... gotta run the wife to dentist.. back online in the waiting room in a bit
[15:52] <imbrandon> but yea for a one time $2 cost, best 2 bux i spent in a very very ;ong time
[15:52] <imbrandon> and its got a nice simple rest api for custom stuff if you want, like i have github hooks setup to ping it etc
[15:52] <imbrandon> l8tr
[15:57] <imbrandon> m_3: haha your irssi window is very very close to mine, first time i've seen that, most ppls irssi setups are soooo diffrent
[15:57] <imbrandon> i think i dropped the ACT: N from the top line and the rest is the same
[16:06] <negronjl> 'morning all
[16:07] <negronjl> jcastro:  Sorry I'm late in the conversation but, where is the charm pilot calendar ?
[16:15] <jcastro> negronjl: I just made it
[16:15] <jcastro> I am working on it now
[16:15]  * negronjl nods
[16:15] <negronjl> jcastro: thx ... let me know if I can help
[16:16] <jcastro> yeah I can't get the script to work but that's just me
[16:24] <jcastro> negronjl: see topic, there's the schedule
[16:25] <jcastro> m_3: your preferred day is today so I put you down for today, since that's kind of last minute feel free to just do it whenever this week, that sound ok?
[16:25] <m_3> jcastro: Tuesday is best
[16:25] <m_3> jcastro: thanks!
[16:26] <jcastro> ok so everyone got their preferred days
[16:26] <jcastro> and we have at least one dude a week
[16:26] <jcastro> which I don't think will be a problem once we get the current queue down a few more items
[16:27] <pkimber> \quit
[16:27] <jcastro> ok so once we deal with bac's mp that brings our queue time down to 3/4 weeks.
[16:28] <bac> :)
[16:30] <jcastro> marcoceppi: imbrandon: ok I've added you guys to the calendar (see topic) if you want to commit to certain days and add them
[16:30] <jcastro> otherwise, review the queue at your leisure!
[16:30] <marcoceppi> jcastro: cool, thanks!
[16:34] <imbrandon> jcastro: ty ty
[16:35] <imbrandon> jcastro: you have james one 4th july, not certain but i'm not sure much would be done that day
[16:35] <imbrandon> :)
[16:36] <imbrandon> s/one/on
[16:38] <jcastro> he's british, I don't think they celebrate that
[16:38] <jcastro> :)
[16:39] <imbrandon> heh dident think of that :)
[16:39] <imbrandon> whoops
[16:39] <imbrandon> lol
[16:44] <SpamapS> jcastro: I will deal with bac's thing after I get juju uploaded to Debian this week
[16:45] <SpamapS> I don't know if thats appropriate for charmers.. at this point we're blocked on getting things into the distro
[16:45] <SpamapS> jcastro: btw, thanks for getting the calendar setup. Looks great!
[16:45] <imbrandon> i'ma try and do saturdays, at least every other one, since thats when most everyone else is afk anyhow mostly
[16:46] <SpamapS> imbrandon: you only need to commit to 1 saturday per month
[16:46] <imbrandon> but today is my step-dads bday, 70 years old, soooo i'm off to take him and my mom to lunch
[16:46] <jcastro> SpamapS: niggling items are fine I think, it just forces us to check it at least once a week
[16:47] <imbrandon> i'll be back in a few  , ok one sat ( first one of the month ) garenteed, but i'll obviously do more as i have time etc etc
[16:47] <imbrandon> hows that :)
[16:48] <imbrandon> jcastro: i cant add to the calendar, my google account is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:48] <imbrandon> bbiab :)
[16:49] <jcastro> fixed
[16:52] <SpamapS> Man I'm about to run out of colors for the google calendars I subscribe to
[16:52] <SpamapS> 9 so far
[16:55] <nathwill> SpamapS, you lie! http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2006/JenniferLeong.shtml
[16:56] <SpamapS> nathwill: wee, only 99,991 left by the most conservative estimate!
[16:57] <nathwill> SpamapS: time to sign up for more calendars!
[16:57] <SpamapS> nathwill: though I'd like for them to *stand out* not to be distinguishable
[16:57] <nathwill> lol
[17:01] <jcastro> SpamapS: ok so this works out great with the charms-tool review, that leaves mims and juan to go directly into the charm contest queue.
[17:02] <jcastro> SpamapS: you and negronjl did awesome driving that number down from 34!
[17:04] <SpamapS> jcastro: I think over the next month the real measure will be the avg-days-in-queue
[17:04] <SpamapS> jcastro: our target should be 3
[17:04] <SpamapS> well, lets say 7
[17:04]  * jcastro nods
[17:05] <jcastro> negronjl: oh mira, we'll need graphs of that stuff, but probably not a priority right now
[17:05] <jcastro> ok so I'm about to file bugs for everything in the spreadsheet that does NOT have a bug report.
[17:05] <jcastro> so I'm about to launchpad spam everyone, be warned!
[17:10] <SpamapS> jcastro: woot
[17:14] <negronjl> jcastro:  got it ... graphs...  I gotta finish some CloudFoundry stuff first and I'll get on that.
[17:14] <jcastro> it's not CloudFoundry important. :)
[17:14] <negronjl> SpamapS, jcastro:  In the meantime, we should think on what to track on those graphs.
[17:15] <jcastro> we'll be able to backgraph too? I am interested in how horrible we were last cycle
[17:15] <jcastro> exact same as distro: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring-stats/
[17:16] <jcastro> I don't think we need "reviewers of the last month" though
[17:19] <negronjl> jcastro: got it
[18:04] <m_3> sure
[18:04] <m_3> crap, wrong channel :)
[18:06] <negronjl> lol
[18:35] <jcastro> jamespage: would accumulo fall in your domain or would it be a seperate community charm?
[18:35] <jcastro> http://accumulo.apache.org/
[18:36] <jcastro> SpamapS: hey, good news, I only needed to file 5 bugs in charms. Looks like while people hated the spreadsheet, we did a decent job keeping it up to date and filing a bug
[18:37]  * imbrandon returns from old people lunch :)
[18:37] <imbrandon> man, 70 ... I hope I make it that long
[18:40] <imbrandon> momma always told me not to look into the eyes of the sun; but momma, thats where the fun is ... ... rev'd up like a duce, a nother runner in the night, blinded by the light!
[18:42] <imbrandon> Its a 60's and 70's rock while you code day. Yup.
[18:44] <imbrandon> SpamapS or hazmat: what would be the most proper way for me to get what juju considers to be the machine_id from on the machine its self but not from/in a hook or juju at all for that matter ( e.g. a root cron bash script or similar )
[18:46] <imbrandon> end goal is to call like "relation-get --machine_id <machine_id> -s /var/lib/juju/instance/.juju.hookcli.sock db" or something very similar
[18:47] <imbrandon> is that just the auto incremented machine number , like the same one i would use to "juju terminate-machine N" ?
[18:48] <imbrandon> thought i tried that, maybe not
[18:48]  * imbrandon might dig into the source a bit and see if i can tell or get more confused
[18:48] <marcoceppi> relation-get uses -r and uses relation ids, you can't relation-get to a machine directly
[18:49] <imbrandon> marcoceppi: i think it was relation list i was thiking of to get the rid's
[18:50] <imbrandon> marcoceppi: and i know now, well not a documented way , so i'm trying some 'intresting' things on the cli
[18:50] <imbrandon> :)
[19:01] <hazmat> imbrandon, cat /etc/init/juju-machine-agent.conf | grep MACHINE
[19:01] <hazmat> its in the env for the machine-agent process
[19:02] <SpamapS> imbrandon: what machine id ?
[19:02] <SpamapS> oh that machine id
[19:02] <SpamapS> that seems like you're doing something evil
[19:02] <SpamapS> imbrandon: danger will robinson. You are stepping outside the documented API. What are you getting at?
[19:03] <imbrandon> https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/internals/unit-agent-hooks.html?
[19:04] <imbrandon> SpamapS: JUJU_CLIENT_ID. and yea outside the documented api but its only half implmented i *think* and i'm trying to use it early
[19:04] <hazmat> client id isn't really used.. its basically set to the string 'constant'
[19:04] <SpamapS> imbrandon: what are you trying to do though?
[19:04] <hazmat> it was for concurrent usage, but we execute serially
[19:04] <imbrandon> JUJU_CLIENT_ID=13 relation-get -s /var/lib/juju/units/nginx-4/.juju.hookcli.sock -r loadbalancer
[19:04] <hazmat> imbrandon, client_id != machine_id
[19:05] <SpamapS> heh so you can set client id to anything and it will work?
[19:05] <imbrandon> hrm , i think i needed the machine id for another cli app
[19:05] <hazmat> SpamapS, as long its the string 'constant' ;-)
[19:05] <SpamapS> imbrandon: that -r looks wrong
[19:05] <imbrandon> SpamapS: i just added the -r
[19:05] <SpamapS> imbrandon: you want a relation ID there.. you can get those from relation-ids
[19:05] <imbrandon> and no it dont work
[19:05] <SpamapS> JUJU_CLIENT_ID=13 relation-ids -s /var/lib/juju/units/nginx-4/.juju.hookcli.sock loadbalancer
[19:06] <hazmat> there's no context on the agent though outside of executing a hook..
[19:06] <SpamapS> imbrandon: that will print all of the relationships under the 'loadbalancer' relation
[19:06] <hazmat> for the cli api to be able to responsd
[19:06] <imbrandon> Traceback (most recent call last):
[19:06] <imbrandon> Failure: twisted.protocols.amp.UnknownRemoteError: Code<UNKNOWN>: Unknown Error
[19:06] <imbrandon> 2012-05-29 19:06:23,434 ERROR: Traceback (most recent call last):
[19:06] <imbrandon> Failure: twisted.protocols.amp.UnknownRemoteError: Code<UNKNOWN>: Unknown Error
[19:06] <SpamapS> ah so he needs jitsu?
[19:06] <SpamapS> imbrandon: grab juju-jitsu from the PPA
[19:06] <SpamapS> 0.6 has 'jitsu run-as-hook'
[19:07] <imbrandon> SpamapS: well i want to do this from a script
[19:07] <SpamapS> imbrandon: thats fine, it will work from a script
[19:07] <imbrandon> hazmat: yea thus trying to set up manually :)
[19:07] <imbrandon> SpamapS: ahhh ok
[19:07] <imbrandon> i'll try that then
[19:07] <imbrandon> i thought it forced a tmux session
[19:08] <imbrandon> i'm "almost" getting it to work just by poking arround though :) but yea jitsu is likely much easier, but at least i got to konw the dir layout and such better
[19:09] <imbrandon> been poking arround in /var/lib/juju/* heh
[19:09] <imbrandon> SpamapS: is there much/any docs on jitsu ? so i can at least do a lil bit of it with out naggin ya too much
[19:10] <SpamapS> imbrandon: --help ? ;)
[19:10] <imbrandon> kk
[19:10] <imbrandon> good nuff fo me :)
[19:11] <imbrandon> btw i ran accross a bug i think, got a sec to step through the process with me and if so i'll file it
[19:11] <imbrandon> ok so
[19:12] <SpamapS> imbrandon: run-as-hook != debug-hooks
[19:12] <imbrandon> say i fire up 4 nginx plain webservers, no lb or databases , just keep this simple
[19:12] <imbrandon> then from the aws console or via api i attach a eip to one of the nodes
[19:13] <imbrandon> zk still keeps the old IP and i cant get to it via juju ssh service/N anymore
[19:13] <imbrandon> and when hooks fire it lists the wrong ips etc etc on relations
[19:13] <imbrandon> for that node
[19:13] <SpamapS> imbrandon: sounds like a rockin por^H^Herfect webserver
[19:14] <SpamapS> imbrandon: yeah, EIP messing with the public-address is a real problem. :-P
[19:14] <imbrandon> well am i missing something, like a zk-relook-at-nodes-ips  or something ?
[19:14] <imbrandon> ok
[19:15] <imbrandon> so it is a bug/known problem and not just me being ignorant ?
[19:15] <SpamapS> damnit.. not installing run-as-hook .. doh
[19:16] <SpamapS> imbrandon: its a known problem ys
[19:16] <imbrandon> seems like there could be a hook that fires on network changes , and then it could make zk refresh ? heh
[19:18] <jamespage> jcastro, looks very similar to hive so should not be that hard to charm
[19:18] <jcastro> jamespage: ok so should I have a seperate bug for it?
[19:18] <jamespage> jcastro, raise one for the time being
[19:18] <jcastro> k
[19:19] <jamespage> I think its a distinct charm - but one that will make use of hadoop and zookeeper charms
[19:21] <SpamapS> imbrandon: FYI, juju-jitsu 0.6 didn't have run-as-hook like I thought. I just released 0.8 .. you'll have to wait till the PPA builds it (or branch/autoreconf/./configure/make/make install it)
[19:22] <imbrandon> kk, i'll got a few other things to do in the meantime i'll wait as long as its been uploaded right ?
[19:22] <imbrandon> if not i'll do a co
[19:30] <imbrandon> nice, an apt-mirror show stopper bug, looks like i get to do a lil perl brushing up on too this week
[19:31] <imbrandon> SpamapS: think i might be able to bribe you for a sponsored upload in 24 or 48 hours to debian ( I'm the listed maintainer and upstream so no nmu or anything , just not a DM or DD so cant actually upload ) I havent talked to my normal DD sponsor in months , no idea if he is arround
[19:31] <imbrandon> heh
[19:33] <imbrandon> trust me i dont make new releases for it every cycle even, so i wont be making a habbit of it :)
[19:34] <SpamapS> imbrandon: sure just throw a .dsc at me. :)
[19:35] <imbrandon> ty ty , yea i havent even began to clean it up and still need to track down this bug, i'll likely make a round through the debian bts too since i dont release that often just to knock it all out in one go if possible, thus 24 probabbly closer to 48
[19:36] <imbrandon> assuming your not feeding a little one by then :)
[19:37] <imbrandon> i really should take the time to do the DM process at minimum
[19:37] <imbrandon> $someday
[19:41] <imbrandon> i want to get Ali's script if its still in use, it was setup so me and one or two others that was regularly sponsored would email a special email address with a signed .dsc and it would autobuild and smoke test it before ali even looked at it and emailed back the results etc like lil dak kinda, assuming that went ok it forwarded it on and then when there was time to finish the review presonally it was uploaded ( normally less than a day ) , pretty
[19:41] <imbrandon> for people
[19:44] <_mup_> juju/trunk r538 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:44] <_mup_> [merge] proposed support, add support for using proposed repository pockets for
[19:44] <_mup_> main and universe as a source for juju if specified via juju-origin: proposed.
[19:44] <_mup_> [r=clint-fewbar][f=926550]
[20:08] <_mup_> Bug #1006099 was filed: unable to set extended desktop <juju:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1006099 >
[21:54] <surgemcgee> Almost... How many does the world need? I fugure I can do 3 a week.
[22:13] <m_3> nice... local provider now adds upstart configs to my local machine that peg the cpu when zk isn't available... the services "respawn" too
[22:20] <SpamapS> m_3: #winning
[22:20] <jimbaker> good progress
[22:20] <SpamapS> m_3: look on the bright side, it doesn't fill up your disk anymore ;)
[22:29]  * SpamapS submits his talk for Linux Foundation's CloudOpen event "Cloning SysAdmins with the Cloud and Juju"
[22:29] <imbrandon> nice
[22:29] <imbrandon> juju add-unit sysop
[22:31] <imbrandon> juju add-relation bofh unsuspecting-user-accounting
[23:08] <koolhead17> hi all
[23:08] <m_3> koolhead17: o/
[23:10] <SpamapS> koolhead17: hey, you should assign yourself as maintainer of the owncloud charm
[23:11] <koolhead17> SpamapS, hi there. sure
[23:11] <SpamapS> bkerensa: and you should grab subway
[23:11] <koolhead17> SpamapS, i been bit off IRC for some reasond
[23:12] <SpamapS> koolhead17: we all need a break sometimes :)
[23:13] <koolhead17> SpamapS, i have some more charms to spread :)
[23:13] <bkerensa> SpamapS: what?>
[23:13] <koolhead17> and owncloud4 has released as well
[23:13] <SpamapS>  10 subway              : Benjamin Kerensa<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:13] <koolhead17> m_3, how are things
[23:13] <SpamapS> bkerensa: are you subscribed to the juju mailing list?
[23:13] <bkerensa> SpamapS: no?
[23:13] <bkerensa> >.<
[23:13] <bkerensa> I better add myself
[23:14] <SpamapS> bkerensa: ahh, ok. You need to assign yourself as maintainer of subway.. add   "maintainer: Benjamin Kerensa<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(without the quotes of course) to metadata.yaml
[23:14] <bkerensa> SpamapS: yeah I heard thats a new requirement
[23:14] <bkerensa> will do
[23:14] <SpamapS> m_3: ahem... you too .. nfs, ganglia, node-app, postgresql ... all "yours" ;)
[23:18]  * koolhead17 thinks SpamapS is on assigning mode today :)
[23:22] <m_3> SpamapS: yeah, I'll grab maintainer for them... prob friday (moving truck tomorrow morning)
[23:23] <m_3> koolhead17: crazy atm
[23:24] <koolhead17> m_3, kind of same this side. L(
[23:24] <koolhead17> :)
[23:30] <m_3> SpamapS: nevermind... done
[23:33]  * m_3 was in default "aahhhh" mode, but it only takes two shakes to update maintainer
[23:35] <SpamapS> m_3: thanks!
[23:36] <negronjl> SpamapS: how's the list of shame ?
[23:37] <SpamapS> negronjl: about to get a lot shorter :)
[23:37] <negronjl> SpamapS: nice
[23:38] <koolhead17> negronjl, list of shame? 0.o
[23:39] <negronjl> koolhead17: It's a list that SpamapS has that lists the charms without maintainers
[23:39] <koolhead17> ooh ok


[01:15] <nibalizer> slangasek: what was the refit related thing you wanted me to try out?
[01:24] <slangasek> nibalizer: hi!  so the deal is that I'm looking for a test that rebuilding refit from precise/quantal/raring with the gnu-efi from saucy + the compiler from each of the releases doesn't regress things... I've pushed gnu-efi itself into -proposed as an SRU, but refit itself isn't part of the SRU so I need to do some local build tests and pass you some binaries.  Can you give me another day or two to get those built?
[01:37] <nibalizer> ya
[01:37] <nibalizer> np
[01:37] <nibalizer> im not going anywhere


[03:15] <FourDollars> How to remove the oem-priority bug_task from https://bugs.staging.launchpad.net/oem-priority/+bug/1900169 by Launchpad API?
[03:23] <FourDollars> I found bugtask.lp_delete() on http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lazr-developers/launchpadlib/trunk/view/head:/contrib/delete_bugtasks.py.
[08:30] <seb128> hey there, I just did an upload to Ubuntu which got approved (it's showing in the queue, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/groovy/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=) but I didn't get an email and the #ubuntu-release bot didn't notify about it either, so I was wondering if there is maybe an issue on the launchpad side with upload notifications?
[09:26] <seb128> it worked for other uploads, but langpacks are special to avoid spam right? said differently unping :-)
[09:27] <cjwatson> I think there are some notification oddities around langpacks, yes
[09:27] <cjwatson> Or more specifically around anything in Section: translations
[09:28] <cjwatson> https://git.launchpad.net/launchpad/tree/lib/lp/soyuz/mail/packageupload.py#n314
[09:30] <seb128> cjwatson, thx
[15:33] <tomreyn> cjwatson, wgrant: recent chat from -hardened, just FYI: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zpdNwDr24B/
[15:44] <cjwatson> We're aware
[15:44] <cjwatson> I agree we need to fix it, but it needs coordination with the client side too
[15:45] <cjwatson> Since apt doesn't have a way to deal with its end of key rotation, so actually doing it would be very disruptive at the moment
[15:47] <tomreyn> i agree it would be disruptive at the moment, as it would have been 5 years ago, when it was first pointed out on the bug tracker that "1024-bit RSA was deprecated years ago by NIST[1], Microsoft[2] and more recently by others[3]."
[15:48] <cjwatson> This is not likely to be a very productive discussion, I see
[15:48] <tomreyn> i understand you cannot change apt, and it may require coordination if the discruption is to be prevented.
[15:48] <tomreyn> my intent was not to blame, but to point out that it's been a long time.
[15:49] <cjwatson> I generally don't find pointing out the age of bug reports to be especially productive
[15:49] <cjwatson> It's always necessary to triage, and sometimes things slip through for one reason or another
[15:50] <cjwatson> Perhaps the LP team can start a productive conversation with juliank at some point about what we'd need to do to make key rotation happen
[15:50] <cjwatson> I would prefer it not to be now since I'm about an hour away from the end of my week
[15:50] <juliank> heh
[15:50] <juliank> I'm on a break before a meeting about to hit my indoor cycling
[15:52] <juliank> I don't mind changing apt such that 3rd party repositories can do key rotations
[15:52] <cjwatson> Another thing we could possibly do to dodge the issue in the short term and deal with xnox's problem would be to adjust the way keys are reused between multiple PPAs owned by the same user; we could for example only reuse keys that meet current standards
[15:53] <cjwatson> That would probably be much easier and doable immediately, so I'll put that on my near-term to-do list
[15:53] <juliank> Don't reuse keys at all?
[15:53] <juliank> Like, add-apt-repository stores them per ppa anyway
[15:53] <cjwatson> Also a possibility
[15:53] <cjwatson> But I'd need to apply Chesterton's Fence
[15:54] <cjwatson> (i.e. the general principle that you should find out why it was that way before changing it)
[15:55] <cjwatson> It's possible it was just some kind of load concern in which case it's probably no longer an issue
[16:01] <tomreyn> the age of bug reports seem to matter (to me, anyways) when they have security impact and it means the window of opportunity for attacks on weak crypto extends, and the ease by which those can be carried out keeps decreasing (improved cryptoanalysis, new and more potent hardware).
[16:01] <tomreyn> i really didn't mean to trigger bad feelings on this (it appears these were present previously, though). i really just would love to see this improve. so, if i may: pleeeease cooperate and see if you can contribute towards a way forward which will work for everyone (after compromising).
[16:14] <cjwatson> Believe me I have personally been working extremely hard to sort out various bits of our crypto - it's not something I discount
[16:17] <cjwatson> I don't believe 1024-bit RSA has yet been successfully attacked directly, though I agree that it's looking shaky enough that the recommendations for a longer key length are very sensible
[16:17] <cjwatson> So my priority has been to deal with things that are worse than that
[16:18] <cjwatson> E.g. at present addressing the issue brought up recently that our SSH endpoints don't implement the recent rsa-sha2-* extensions and so are effectively still using SHA-1 when RSA public keys are used
[16:19] <cjwatson> (As well as in parallel working on the complicated pile of stuff necessary to be able to support Ed25519)
[16:20] <cjwatson> Being humans with finite time this is the sort of prioritisation that we generally have to do, irrespective of the age of reports
[16:21] <cjwatson> But in this particular case there do seem to be things we can do to improve things relatively immediately without needing to get into complex coordination issues
[16:24]  * cjwatson finds https://git.launchpad.net/launchpad/commit?id=9a31edbd8c8c34f39e06a13ccb0fd780cfd8cb10.  The closest thing to a rationale there is "The *trust* belongs to the archive maintainer (owner) not the archive itself", which is technically true but the point that add-apt-repository stores them separately anyway stands; that was early in the evolution of PPAs so it seems reasonable to me to
[16:24]  * cjwatson override that decision
[16:25] <cjwatson> (And also, to clarify, I don't think there are any bad feelings between LP and apt.  It's just a somewhat tricky technical problem to solve)
[16:40] <tomreyn> No doubt there. It seems that not enough manpower has been going into maintaining the infrastrucutre, for years.
[16:43] <cjwatson> There was a period of a few years when it was severely understaffed, and we're doing a lot of catch-up from that.
[16:43] <cjwatson> For the last year or so we've had a proper team and development roadmap and such.
[16:45] <cjwatson> But obviously one can't just catch up instantly.
[16:45] <tomreyn> oh nice, that's good news!
[16:46] <tomreyn> well, news to me, anyways :)
[16:47] <cjwatson> A lot of the work involved here has been somewhat internal and maybe less visible, but aimed at lowering development friction - upgrading our internal infrastructure, library upgrades, training, distributing support duties, all that sort of thing
[17:56] <Odd_Bloke> I don't need it looked at specifically (I can just wait), but https://launchpad.net/~oddbloke/+archive/ubuntu/gh608/+build/20171641 has been uploading for ~40mins (and should be a handful of MB at most).  Just a heads-up in case there's something unexpected going on.
[19:05] <cjwatson> Odd_Bloke: It's done now; nothing unexpected particularly, just a bit of a backlog and some large uploads (that queue is processed serially, unfortunately)
[19:08] <Odd_Bloke> Thanks!
[22:08] <cjwatson> tomreyn,juliank: BTW you did manage to nerdsnipe me into putting together a patch for https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1700167 to not reuse keys just before going on holiday
[22:09] <sarnold> haha :)
[22:12] <sarnold> wow, that's almost all tests, except for a big hunk of code removal
[22:13] <cjwatson> Launchpad has a *lot* of tests so this isn't too uncommon
[22:14] <cjwatson> And a lot of the really old code has tests written as horribly entangled doctests, so it can sometimes end up being quite involved to disentangle those
[22:17] <sarnold> it certainly reminded me of the most recent launchpad merge request I read, which was something like 97
[22:17] <sarnold> 97% tests :) heh
[22:18] <cjwatson> Mostly we like it that way
[22:19] <cjwatson> I'd often like the tests to be better organised, but don't regret the proportion!
[22:19] <sarnold> yeah, most people are dreaming they'd have more tests :)
[22:20] <sarnold> dreaming about a better way to arrange the tests.. well done :)