[01:05] <wiiflow> why i cant run this from everywere /var/etc/newcs.x86
[01:06] <wiiflow> i must do it from folder itself
[01:06] <wiiflow> ./newcs.86
[01:06] <wiiflow> ./newcs.x86
[01:06] <wiiflow> why?
[01:06] <pmatulis> wiiflow: b/c that executable is not in your PATH
[01:07] <wiiflow> how can i make this to be runed from rc.local
[01:07] <WinstonSmith> wiiflow, you can give it the full path eg var/etc/./newcs.x86
[01:08] <wiiflow> look
[01:08] <wiiflow> root@Maverick:/var# /var/etc/newcs.x86
[01:08] <wiiflow> This is NewCS 1.67 RC1 [Build: 95] - the New CardServer by the Butter-team..
[01:08] <wiiflow> Compiled on Jul 14 2009 at 12:13:18
[01:08] <wiiflow> Reading Config file from /etc/newcs.xml
[01:08] <wiiflow> Cannot open config file... quitting
[01:08] <wiiflow> it opens the newcs.xml just were it is
[01:08] <wiiflow> dont know why
[01:09] <WinstonSmith> well it obviously needs to find the config file
[01:09] <WinstonSmith> copy newcs.xml to /etc?
[01:09] <wiiflow> the point is how to run itself with ubuntu from rc.local
[01:10] <wiiflow> because it dont run from nowere just from itself folder
[01:10] <WinstonSmith> in rc.local do a cd to that folder first
[01:10] <wiiflow> how?
[01:10] <wiiflow> this way looks my rc.local
[01:10] <WinstonSmith> cd /path/to/folder
[01:11] <wiiflow> sleep 45
[01:11] <wiiflow> sleep 45
[01:11] <wiiflow> /var/etc/newcs.x86
[01:11] <wiiflow> one sleep
[01:11] <wiiflow> sleep 45
[01:11] <wiiflow> cd /var/etc/
[01:11] <wiiflow> /var/etc/newcs.x86
[01:11] <wiiflow> should look like this?
[01:12] <wiiflow> or maybe
[01:12] <WinstonSmith> or just newcs.x86 since ur already in that folder7
[01:12] <wiiflow> sleep 45
[01:12] <wiiflow> cd /var/etc/
[01:12] <wiiflow> ./newcs.x86
[01:12] <wiiflow> like this
[01:12] <wiiflow> this looks promising
[01:12] <wiiflow> lets see
[01:12] <WinstonSmith> yes try that out? what ur up to? card sharing? ;)
[01:13] <wiiflow> yea
[01:13] <WinstonSmith> hehehe
[01:13] <WinstonSmith> n1
[01:13] <WinstonSmith> used to do that with some frined
[01:13] <WinstonSmith> friends*
[01:13] <WinstonSmith> and a couple of dreamboxes
[01:14] <WinstonSmith> brb
[01:17] <wiiflow> worked
[01:17] <wiiflow> :)
[01:17] <wiiflow> thanks
[01:17] <WinstonSmith> ur welcome
[01:18] <wiiflow> :)
[01:20] <WinstonSmith> i wish you a lotta channels hehe
[01:25] <wiiflow> i have my owns cards
[01:25] <wiiflow> :)
[02:29] <cn1209> This might be a bit off topic. But... What is the best place to buy a domain at a low price?
[02:31] <qman__> best is a matter of opinion
[02:31] <qman__> I use mydomain.com, they've been good so far
[02:36] <cn1209> cool. I'm looking into getting some kind of affordable cloud hosting to install ubuntu.
[02:39] <mymrhelpdesk> much ubuntu-ltsp experience here?
[02:48] <computerwiz_222> hello, i have a support question relating to a boot issue.
[02:49] <Jeeves_> computerwiz_222: Ask your question, and it might be answered :)
[02:50] <computerwiz_222> my problem.. i was playing with fstab for nfs. i edited the file and it wouldn't boot anymore. i used a livecd to revert the file and now i get initramfs. my root partition is raided.
[02:51] <computerwiz_222> raid1
[02:54] <computerwiz_222> any ideas? im really in a bind.. this is my home server with 2.5tb of data and his issue has stumped me lol
[02:54] <computerwiz_222> this*
[02:56] <Jeeves_> What does it say before you go into initramfs?
[02:58] <computerwiz_222> various mount errors such as: mount: mounting /sys on /root/sys failed. no such file or directory
[02:59] <computerwiz_222> the livecd revealed that all the partitions appear fine.. no dead hard drives here
[03:00] <Jeeves_> Maybe your UUID in your fstab is screwed up?
[03:01] <computerwiz_222> do you have any suggestions for fixing this? or links to point me in the right direction.
[03:02] <Jeeves_> computerwiz_222: I think you need to have another look at your fstab
[03:03] <Jeeves_> I think it cannot mount / because there is an error of some sort
[03:03] <computerwiz_222> sure thing, I'll check it out.
[03:03] <StrangeCharm> how do i use rm to remove every file whose name matches a particular pattern inside a directory and it's subdirectories? say, i want to remove *.txt in /malarkey , and also /malarkey/stuff, and /malarkey/junk
[03:03] <Jeeves_> StrangeCharm: man find
[03:03] <computerwiz_222> Thanks, I'll let you know.
[03:05] <StrangeCharm> thanks Jeeves_
[03:06] <Jeeves_> np
[03:21] <computerwiz_222> oh my god thank you so much!!! I'm back in business.
[03:24] <Jeeves_> computerwiz_222: Good. What was wrong?
[03:29] <computerwiz_222> i added a line to fstab to boot from /dev/sdb5 (root) directly. its a hack but it gets me access to my data fast.
[03:30] <Jeeves_> Ah
[03:30] <Jeeves_> But now your raid is probably 'broken'
[03:31] <computerwiz_222> nope mdadm all checks out somehow
[03:32] <Jeeves_> Well ok :)
[03:32] <computerwiz_222> boy... dont touch a server for months and the dust really piles up... gotta clean this up tomorrow
[03:35] <computerwiz_222> this thing went down last night and it was too late to fix it.. so today i went out to ge my new tetra2 android tablet and all my hd media is locked up on the server lol
[03:35] <computerwiz_222> get*
[05:31] <Delerium_> Wondering... Does Ubuntu comes built-in some kind of firewall?! I installed apache for my new domain name and I can't see to connect using the domain name, but it works with the IP
[05:33] <Psi-Jack> Not sure it comes default or not, depends on installation options, but yes, there's that piece of crap ufw.
[05:34] <Psi-Jack> But, if it works with the IP, it's not firewall.
[05:34] <Psi-Jack> Check iptables -L -n
[05:34] <Delerium_> Psi-Jack: can you try www.elezium.com please?
[05:34] <Psi-Jack> Verify, is <IP_ADDRESS> correct?
[05:34] <Delerium_> yup
[05:35] <Psi-Jack> It works.
[05:35] <Delerium_> got ya
[05:35] <Delerium_> Thanks
[05:35] <Psi-Jack> This is the default web page for this server.
[05:35] <Delerium_> yes, didn't put much yte
[05:35] <Psi-Jack> Much? heh, you've not put anything, yet. :p
[05:35] <Delerium_> hahah!
[05:35] <Delerium_> Just building a home lab ;)
[05:47] <Delerium_> Thanks Psi-Jack for you help, I'm leaving
[05:48] <Psi-Jack> Don't make any meth.
[05:51] <Delerium_> Just enough ;)
[05:55] <EvilPhoenix> :P
[08:09] <jussi> good morning shai
[08:09] <jussi> :)
[08:09] <shai__> Hi :)
[08:09] <shai__> Should I repeat the question from #ubuntu?
[08:10] <jussi> wait a sec
[08:10] <shai__> np
[08:11] <jussi> shai__: you can simulate an apt-get command with -s
[08:11] <jussi>        -s, --simulate, --just-print, --dry-run, --recon, --no-act
[08:11] <jussi>            No action; perform a simulation of events that would occur but do not actually change the system. Configuration Item: APT::Get::Simulate.
[08:11] <shai__> Right, but I would like to read on every update, before actually (even in simulation) installing them
[08:12] <jussi>        -u, --show-upgraded
[08:12] <jussi>            Show upgraded packages; Print out a list of all packages that are to be upgraded. Configuration Item: APT::Get::Show-Upgraded.
[08:12] <shai__> I see...
[08:12] <jussi> shai__: is that what you are after?  or am I missing your point?
[08:12] <shai__> And what command would make sure that only those 7 packages are installed and not the rest of the packages?
[08:13] <shai__> I'm not sure this is what I'm after just yet.. I need to check ...
[08:13] <twb> shai__: I use -s for that
[08:13] <shai__> But my main concern is, that I don't want to upgrade packages which are used in production (LAMP), unless those are security updates and then, I want to review them first.
[08:14] <shai__> But -s is "simulation" and not "security" ...
[08:14] <twb> shai__: IMO you'd be better off doing the reverse.
[08:14] <shai__> meaning?
[08:14] <twb> A security update is unlikely to bring in a bug
[08:14] <twb> A feature update is VERY likely to bring in a bug
[08:15] <twb> Thus, reviewing and rejecting updates from the latter category unless you REALLY need them is useful.
[08:15] <shai__> Exactly!
[08:15] <shai__> This is why I ONLY want to install security updates on production server.
[08:15] <shai__> Thus, I want a way to make sure that my update/upgrade/safe-upgrade command will ONLY install security updates and nothing else.
[08:16] <twb> shai__: then it's simple
[08:16] <twb> shai__: only refer to lucid and lucid-security in your sources.list
[08:16] <gcs_> shai__: Let me ask, do you run a non-stable version of Ubuntu on a production server?
[08:16] <shai__> No.
[08:16] <twb> shai__: feature updates will never appear in lucid nor in lucid-security -- they appear only in -updates and -backports
[08:16] <gcs_> shai__: Then all updates you are going to get is security or stability fixes.
[08:17] <shai__> 20 packages can be updated.
[08:17] <shai__> 7 updates are security updates.
[08:17] <twb> *strictly* speaking policy probably allows updates to -security that fix bugs that cause massive data loss, too
[08:17] <twb> shai__: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy"
[08:18] <shai__> http://pastebin.com/Dqb2xk7P
[08:18] <gcs_> twb: shai__ wants them as well.
[08:18] <twb> shai__: "Your paste has triggered our automatic SPAM protection filter. This happens when too many links are detected in a paste."
[08:18] <twb> Try "apt-cache policy | pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net/"
[08:19] <shai__> I don't have 'pastebinit'
[08:19] <gcs_> Also, speaking in Debian terms, security upgrades goes to normal updates on point releases.
[08:20] <shai__> I'm kinda confused...
[08:20] <shai__> :)
[08:20] <twb> shai__: then manually use a different pastebin
[08:20] <gcs_> twb: Just enter the capcha, you'll see the policy.
[08:20] <twb> gcs_: I am not able to do that
[08:20] <gcs_> twb: ?
[08:20] <shai__> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/f908d6fa/
[08:20] <twb> shai__: thank you.
[08:21] <gcs_> twb: Btw, he has a mix of Karmic and Lucid source lines, including updates.
[08:21] <twb> shai__: see, you have -updates enabled
[08:21] <shai__> Hmm... this isn't the correct output :)
[08:21] <shai__> This is an amazon instance and not a production server.. hold on
[08:21] <twb> shai__: maybe you have stuff in sources.list.d that you forgot about
[08:22] <shai__> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/fffd9e93/
[08:22] <shai__> There you go
[08:22] <twb> shai__: ok, again you have -updates enabled :-)
[08:23] <shai__> And that's not what I want?
[08:23] <gcs_> shai__: Stupid idea, but would you subscribe to -security?
[08:23] <twb> shai__: -updates is feature updates; -security is security updates
[08:23] <shai__> I have ...
[08:23] <shai__> I get emails on security updates
[08:23] <twb> shai__: if you don't want the former, simply remove it from sources.list
[08:24] <gcs_> shai__: When you get a security notification, you can install that pakcage only after evaluation.
[08:24] <shai__> I do want to be updates on it...
[08:24] <shai__> I just don't want to install them when I run my aptitude/apt-get command
[08:24] <twb> shai__: hm, then I guess you could pin a=lucid-updates to -1, which will prevent them ever being installed without explicit OK
[08:24] <gcs_> shai__: Well, if you don't want to install them, why have it in sources.list ?
[08:25] <shai__> It says I have 7 security updates. I want to run my aptitude/apt-get command and have it only install (show me first ie. dry run) the 7 sec. updates
[08:25] <shai__> gcs_: to be notified. I can't just ignore them. I need to know they are there and are needed.
[08:25] <shai__> don't cost me none either .. so why not :)
[08:26] <shai__> lol .. pastebin only wanted me to enter a 3-digit captcha code to authorized the paste...
[08:26] <shai__> http://pastebin.com/Dqb2xk7P
[08:26] <shai__> :)
[10:21] <Error404NotFound> i am getting http://pastebin.com/tQCT5M7s when try to execute a dump of a 27G large DB. I did raise mysql timeout values to 864000 e.g. 10 days. Still no use.
[11:45] <kaushal> hi
[11:45] <kaushal> Are there any tools to check for disk errors
[11:45] <kaushal> I see high wa
[11:45] <kaushal> I am on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS
[11:46] <twb> kaushal: smartmontools
[11:46] <kaushal> ok
[11:46] <kaushal> I did that
[11:46] <kaushal> It doesnot start
[11:47] <twb> kaushal: as the documentation indicates, smartmontools provides both a daemon and a CLI for direct use.
[11:47] <kaushal> * Restarting S.M.A.R.T. daemon smartd                                                                                [fail]
[11:47] <twb> Use smartctl as the documentation directs to begin a self-test, then when it has completed use smartctl again to inspect the results
[11:50] <kaushal> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/548204/
[11:51] <twb> kaushal: "/dev/cciss/c0d0p1" means you're running cheapo hardware raid
[11:52] <twb> i.e. you are fucked.
[11:52] <kaushal> ok
[11:52] <kaushal> twb: so what has to be done now ?
[11:53] <twb> Obviously you can turn the machine off, put the drive in something else, and run smartctl on that
[11:53] <twb> But I assume you don't want to turn off a production server
[11:53] <kaushal> yeah
[11:53] <_ruben> raid implies multiple redundant disks, so if they're hotswappable...
[11:54] <kaushal> so how would i know whether its a harddisk issue
[11:54] <kaushal> top says high wa
[11:55] <kaushal> I ran ./check_cciss-1.8 -v
[11:55] <kaushal> RAID OK:  Smart Array P410i in Slot 0 (Embedded) array A logicaldrive 1 (279.4 GB, RAID 0, OK) array B logicaldrive 2 (279.4 GB, RAID 0, OK) [Controller Status: OK Cache Status: OK]
[11:55] <_ruben> high wa has 2 common causes: dying disks or overloaded disks
[11:55] <kaushal> Please suggest further
[11:55] <twb> kaushal: presumably you've already checked dmesg for suspicious warnings?
[11:55] <kaushal> yes
[11:55] <twb> Ahaha, RAID 0?
[11:55] <_ruben> raid0 aint raid
[11:55] <gobbe> raid0 in production server? :-o
[11:56] <twb> Maybe he's using it for a reeaaaaaly big swap partition
[11:56] <kaushal> its RAID 10
[11:56] <twb> Actually never mind, swap stripes internally anyway
[11:56] <gobbe> well anyway, using cheap raid-cards in production server is quite big mistake
[11:57] <_ruben> that doesn't say raid10, unless you're doing software raid1 over the raid0 luns
[11:57] <twb> Technically cciss is expensive, it just isn't any good
[11:57] <twb> It's HP's line of crappy hardware raid
[11:57] <kaushal> fuck HP
[11:58] <gobbe> yep
[11:58] <twb> hear, hear
[11:58] <gobbe> either proper raid or then software-raid
[11:58] <gobbe> proper hw-raid
[11:59] <kaushal> fuck HP ASSHOLES
[12:00] <kaushal> gobbe: so what hardware RAID has to be used ?
[12:00] <kaushal> I mean which make
[12:01] <gobbe> kaushal: 3ware
[12:02] <kaushal> ok
[12:02] <kaushal> what does cciss mean ?
[12:03] <patdk-lap> cciss is the name of the hp raid stuff
[12:03] <patdk-lap> I haven't had any issues with my smartarray stuff, but then I don't have any P410's
[12:04] <patdk-lap> all mine are in raid1 config though, with sas 15k drives, get a good 500iops out of them
[12:18] <DigitalFlux> Hi Guys
[12:18] <DigitalFlux> Anybody here worked with KickStart/Ubuntu before ?
[12:23] <gobbe> ask the question
[12:35] <DigitalFlux> gobbe: I used the autopart statement in a kickstart file to bootstrap Ubuntu server 10.4.1, however during the installation it stops to ask if this is the correct partition scheme that i want, i want a fully automated installation with no human intervention required
[12:35] <DigitalFlux> so i need to automatically answer this screen with yes
[12:37] <pmatulis> DigitalFlux: not sure about kickstart but this is possible with the preseed method
[12:37] <DigitalFlux> pmatulis: Hmm
[12:40] <DigitalFlux> Seems like it used to work with 9.10
[12:40] <DigitalFlux> But not with Lucid
[12:40] <DigitalFlux> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kickseed/+bug/537421
[12:46] <gobbe> yep
[12:46] <gobbe> needs to be fixed
[13:10] <jussi> hrm, Ive an issue with my server, I can login with sftp, but logging in with ssh it just hangs after I enter the password
[13:13] <pmatulis> jussi: check the server logs
[13:14] <jussi> its really strange, /var/log is coming up empty, but Im logged in as root.
[13:14] <pmatulis> jussi: no files under /var/log?
[13:14] <jussi> thats correct
[13:15] <pmatulis> jussi: did you set up this server?
[13:15] <jussi> pmatulis: no, its a vps, came with ubuntu set up.
[13:15] <jussi> I did add users etc
[13:16] <gobbe> jussi: you should turn to your vps provider, /var/log _should_ have several files
[13:17] <jussi> yes, it should - seems its not loading the content there (Im trying the cli sftp client right now)
[13:17] <jussi> its hanging on "ls" in /var/log
[13:17] <gobbe> interesting...
[13:18] <jussi> yes, its very strange
[13:18] <pmatulis> jussi: pastebin output to 'dh -Th'?
[13:18] <jussi> pmatulis: I dont have any shell access...-
[13:18] <pmatulis> jussi: ah
[13:19] <jussi> just sftp
[13:19] <pmatulis> jussi: correction anyway: 'df -Th'
[13:19] <pmatulis> jussi: i think the provider is shoving all their machine logs somewhere else
[13:19] <jussi> is there anyway to run a script at boot? (I can reboot the script, perhaps I can drop something somewhere with sftp to get some diagnostics=)
[13:20] <jussi> err, I can reboot the machine
[13:21] <pmatulis> jussi: i would just contact your provider
[13:21] <jussi> ok
[13:43] <ubuntino> hi
[13:43] <ubuntino> Ihave problem with server mail
[13:43] <gobbe> ask the question
[13:44] <ubuntino> nothing works
[13:45] <gobbe> please be little bit more specific, it's quite hard to help withoit knowing more :-D
[13:45] <ubuntino> I' M italian one moment please
[13:45] <patdk-wk> his server won't power on :)
[13:46] <patdk-wk> try italian, google language convert :)
[13:46] <gobbe> patdk-wk: :D
[13:49] <ubuntino> yes
[13:49] <ubuntino> ok
[13:50] <ubuntino> I would try with you the operation of the mail server
[13:50] <ubuntino> some directive?
[13:51] <ubuntino> i installed sudo apt-get -y install postfix postfix-ldap spamassassin dovecot-pop3d dovecot-imapd mailscanner
[13:51] <ubuntino> but certainly misconfigured
[13:52] <ubuntino> I do not know what the ldap server?
[13:52] <ubuntino> what is the name
[13:53] <ubuntino> please help me
[13:53] <gobbe> why do you want ldap-server?
[13:53] <gobbe> isn't plain postfix enough?
[13:54] <binBASH> ubuntino: fix config with dpkg-reconfigure postfix
[13:54] <binBASH> ;)
[13:55] <gobbe> well....i don't get idea of installing postfix with ldap, if you don't have any need for that
[13:56] <ubuntino> ok now to test the proper operation?
[13:56] <ubuntino> a no ldap with postfix?
[13:57] <gobbe> well. why did you install it at first?
[13:57] <gobbe> did you have reason for it?
[13:57] <gobbe> were you reading somekind of howto?
[13:57] <ubuntino> ubuntu guide
[13:57] <gobbe> url?
[13:57] <ubuntino> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Server/Mail
[13:58] <ubuntino> now remove ldap ok?
[13:58] <gobbe> apt-get remove
[13:59] <ubuntino> ok done
[13:59] <ubuntino> Now to check the operation?
[14:00] <gobbe> check what operation?
[14:00] <ubuntino> what do you think of a 'telnet localhost 25'
[14:01] <ubuntino> to see if it works
[14:01] <gobbe> you can do it
[14:01] <gobbe> if you want
[14:02] <ubuntino> and now
[14:02] <ubuntino> I see nothing
[14:02] <gobbe> well, your server is not up
[14:02] <gobbe> did you restart it?
[14:03] <ubuntino> postfix?
[14:03] <ubuntino> restart postfix?
[14:04] <gobbe> you should read the whole howto
[14:04] <gobbe> and do like it says
[14:04] <ubuntino> already done, but nothing
[14:04] <ubuntino> url?
[14:05] <gobbe> so is your postfix running?
[14:06] <ubuntino> what do you advise me to install up to a mail server?
[14:06] <gobbe> i advise you to follow that howto
[14:06] <gobbe> :)
[14:06] <ubuntino> this is my screen
[14:06] <ubuntino> ying ::1... Connected to localhost.localdomain. Escape character is '^]'. 220 code-desktop ESMTP Postfix (Ubuntu)
[14:07] <ubuntino> ):
[14:07] <gobbe> well it means that your postfix is running
[14:07] <ubuntino> I am not come to head
[14:08] <ubuntino> time to enter the users?
[14:08] <ubuntino> to enter the users?
[14:09] <gobbe> yep
[14:09] <ubuntino> ....
[14:12] <ubuntino> I have account ubuntino
[14:12] <ubuntino> to make<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:12] <ubuntino> to make<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:13] <ubuntino> please please
[14:13] <ubuntino> ):
[14:13] <pmatulis> ubuntino: please google for 'linux telnet test smtp'
[14:14] <ubuntino> ok
[14:14] <gobbe> ubuntino: you need to have domain and correct mx-entries to be able to set up mail server
[14:15] <ubuntino> I have ivancristina.com
[14:15] <gobbe> ok
[14:16] <ubuntino> where I find the entries mx-entries
[14:16] <gobbe> from your dns-server
[14:16] <gobbe> if you are not familiar how dns and email-servers work, why you are trying to build on?-)
[14:17] <pmatulis> ubuntino: please continue with telnet testing.  MX records are not required for such a test
[14:17] <ubuntino> okok later on / etc / resolv.conf
[14:19] <ubuntino> this is my nameserver ns1.netsons.com
[14:19] <ubuntino> and ns2.netsons.com
[14:19] <pmatulis> oh well.  no more from me
[14:19] <ubuntino> I do it for study
[14:20] <ubuntino> I enter them into my server on resolv.conf?
[14:20] <ubuntino> nameserver?
[14:21] <gobbe> no
[14:22] <ubuntino> someone is willing to teach me also to pay?
[14:23] <ubuntino> no
[14:23] <ubuntino> someone is willing to teach me also to pay?
[14:24] <ubuntino> I want to learn
[14:24] <gobbe> you can learn by starting to read documentation
[14:24] <gobbe> there's sooooooooo many documents available from google for mailservers
[14:24] <jpds> ubuntino: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/postfix.html
[14:24] <ubuntino> already
[14:28] <gobbe> postfix is quite trivial to setup
[14:28] <ubuntino> my main job is to repair digital clocks, with a guide you would succeed?
[14:29] <gobbe> depends on guide
[14:29] <ubuntino> I installed postfix and it works now I want to go ahead
[14:29] <gobbe> if it's step by step, then yes
[14:29] <gobbe> what means go ahead? what do you want to do now?
[14:29] <gobbe> or what is the goal
[14:29] <ubuntino> such as ubuntu
[14:30] <gobbe> you might understand that it's quite hard to give help without enough information
[14:30] <ubuntino> ok
[14:31] <ubuntino> After postfix dovecot-common is installed
[14:31] <ubuntino> right?
[14:31] <gobbe> ?
[14:34] <ubuntino> I've posted in the guide is written podo instllare postfix dovecot
[14:34] <ubuntino> I've posted in the guide that is written after instllare postfix dovecot
[14:35] <ubuntino> sorry
[14:35] <ubuntino> I've posted in the guide it says after you install postfix dovecot
[15:31] <Liked> Ok
[15:31] <Liked> Hi
[15:32] <Liked> I need some support for Ubuntu Server
[15:32] <Liked> so I ordered a VPS off a site
[15:32] <Liked> and they have given me root
[15:32] <Liked> and I told them to install
[15:32] <Liked> Ubuntu Server
[15:33] <Liked> I think it was Ubuntu 8
[15:33] <Liked> anyway
[15:33] <Liked> what commands do I use in SSH
[15:33] <Liked> to install a decent GUI
[15:33] <Liked> preferably Gnome
[15:34] <KurtKraut> Liked, if it is meant to be a server, you should install Gnome.
[15:34] <Liked> my question is, how?
[15:34] <Pici> You mean "shouldn't"
[15:34] <Liked> oh
[15:34] <Liked> so what would be better?
[15:34] <KurtKraut> Liked, if it is meant to be a server, you shouldn't install Gnome.
[15:34] <Liked> What would be the best GUI
[15:34] <Liked> for a server
[15:34] <Liked> ?
[15:34] <Liked> XFCE?
[15:34] <KurtKraut> Liked, in fact, if it is meant to be a server, you shouldn't install a GUI.
[15:35] <Liked> but say I felt... compelled to.
[15:35] <Pici> Most people don't use any graphical environment on a server, especially on a VPS.
[15:35] <Liked> the VPS is of good spec.
[15:35] <Liked> 2gb ram
[15:35] <Pici> How were you going to connect to it to see the screen?
[15:35] <Liked> through VNC
[15:36] <Pici> If you're so compelled to do it, then install whatever you want.
[15:36] <KurtKraut> Liked, many people will point out that withouth GUI, you'd save plenty resources for the daily server activities. But even if performance is not an issue, you shouldn't use GUI in a server.
[15:36] <gobbe> Liked: well if you want gnome, then install it with apt-get?
[15:37] <KurtKraut> Liked, none of the tipical server activities (like being an HTTP server, FTP server, e-mail server etc.), none of them you'll be able to administer, configure or even turn on or off throught a GUI. UNIX-like servers weren't made to be used with a GUI.
[15:38] <patdk-wk> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[15:38] <KurtKraut> Liked, you may install it, you may use it, you may access it remotely but you'll only get a poor desktop experience. If you want to try Ubuntu, just use a LiveCD.
[15:38] <patdk-wk> but really that isn't a ubuntu-server question
[15:39] <patdk-wk> unless he wanted a remote desktop, I have done that sometimes, for testing different things, but then, it wasn't meant to be a server anyways
[15:39] <pmatulis> Liked: 2GB is not a lot for running a graphical environment.  you'll also need memory for the server portion
[15:39] <Liked> patdk-wk: I was thinking of a remote desktop I guess.
[15:39] <patdk-wk> ya, not server related question
[15:41] <pmatulis> Liked: you may consider a light window manager such as openbox but the best option is to learn the command line
[15:42] <Liked> pmatulis: Thanks I guess
[15:42] <Liked> I did consider openbox
[15:47] <AndyGraybeal> maybe o/t but i'd like to rsync some files from a remote host (one i don't control).  it's got our website on it and i want to make sure i have it backed up somewhere.  i'm doing: rsync -avz user@www.remotehost.com:~/directory  /srv/other_host_backup/www.remotehost.com
[15:48] <AndyGraybeal> one problem i'm having it says "bash: rsync: command not found" on the remote host.  i figured i only needed rsync on my local host to do this operation.
[15:48] <AndyGraybeal> any ideas?
[15:54] <pmatulis> AndyGraybeal: no, it needs to be installed on both sides
[15:55] <AndyGraybeal> pmatulis: why do you think it's telling me 'rsync: command not found" do i have some syntax wrong?
[15:55] <RoyK> AndyGraybeal: unless you're rsyincing over nfs, it needs to be installed on both sides
[15:56] <AndyGraybeal> not nfs, i don't have control of the remote host :(
[15:56] <AndyGraybeal> can i do something like a wget instead?  if rsync is out of the question?
[15:56] <AndyGraybeal> or scp?
[15:56] <AndyGraybeal> i guess scp would be better.
[15:56] <pmatulis> AndyGraybeal: scp is a good option, yes
[15:57] <AndyGraybeal> okay, thank you much.
[15:57] <pmatulis> AndyGraybeal: but if you will be doing the backup often then rsync is the best.  i'm surprised you have access to back up files but still incapable of installing rsync
[15:58] <AndyGraybeal> pmatulis: my host i control, i'm trying to rsync the remote host; which doesn't have rsync.  why are you surprised?  is there something i'm missing?
[16:00] <RoyK> AndyGraybeal: you should be able to compile rsync on the host with only user rights
[16:01] <RoyK> AndyGraybeal: also, the sysadmin might just have forgotten it
[16:01] <AndyGraybeal> RoyK: lemme talk to sysadmin, i swear i rsync'd earlier this year.
[16:01] <pmatulis> AndyGraybeal: is the remote end a ubuntu machine?
[16:04] <AndyGraybeal> naw, it's some old fedora machine or it used to be... lemme check
[16:04] <AndyGraybeal> i think they just re-installed
[16:04] <AndyGraybeal> we had 2 days of downtime just recently,
[16:07] <AndyGraybeal> i don't even have access to 'who'!
[16:07] <AndyGraybeal> or uname
[16:07] <AndyGraybeal> any other commands i can use to find out what my host is running aside from uname?
[16:07] <AndyGraybeal> it's got bash.
[16:08] <patdk-wk> heh, doubt you can use cat /etc/issue; cat /etc/motd; cat /etc/lsb-release
[16:09] <AndyGraybeal> none of them work :)
[16:10] <AndyGraybeal> okay, unimportant, i asked for perms to rsync.  waiting on response. i'm gonna find something else to do.
[16:10] <patdk-wk> cat /etc/redhat-release
[16:10] <patdk-wk> :)
[16:11] <AndyGraybeal> k lemme try
[16:11] <AndyGraybeal> nope
[16:12] <AndyGraybeal> it is redhat based, there is rpms
[16:13] <AndyGraybeal> it doesnt matter :)
[16:14] <pmatulis> AndyGraybeal: figure out the release by the rpm versions
[16:16] <AndyGraybeal> enough stop :)
[16:16] <AndyGraybeal> i'm going to wrk on something else and hope the admin gives me access to rsync
[16:16] <AndyGraybeal> thank you though for your persistence
[17:07] <Karti> Hi all, wondering if someone could give me a few pointers with NFS from a client
[17:07] <Karti> It is set up on my desktopm but I don't have write access
[17:11] <gobbe> what does your /etc/exports say
[17:22] <patdk-wk> gobbe, assuming he is using nfs2/3 :)
[17:23] <gobbe> patdk-wk: well, same file is used with nfs4, so what's point ;)
[17:24] <gobbe> what's the point =)
[17:25] <gobbe> it's hard to type with n900
[17:25] <patdk-wk> hmm, didn't realized nfs4 used it
[17:25] <skorv> i'm a newcomer to ubuntu server.... small question: To LVM or not to LVM at install?
[17:25] <gobbe> lvm
[17:25] <patdk-wk> I only looked at nfs4 alittle, before I was annoying by how you have to get it working
[17:25] <Karti> gobbe, it says - /srv/nfs/Linux *(rw,sync)
[17:25] <gobbe> i don't see any point not to use lvm
[17:26] <patdk-wk> skorv, what will it be?
[17:26] <patdk-wk> if your just going make it one big system, just don't bother
[17:26] <patdk-wk> if you plan to ever expand or resize things, and stuff, defently lvm
[17:26] <skorv> domain server
[17:26] <patdk-wk> domain server? you mean, dns server?
[17:26] <gobbe> Karti: do you get error messages? what are rights to actual directory (/srv/nfs/linux)
[17:26] <skorv> same role as a windows server
[17:27] <skorv> primary domain server
[17:27] <patdk-wk> in that case diskspace won't be an issue, unless your running filesystems on it
[17:27] <gobbe> well, in server environment i don't see any idea not to use lvm
[17:27] <patdk-wk> then you probably want lvm
[17:27] <skorv> web server will work on another machine
[17:27] <patdk-wk> gobbe, lvm has screwed me over many times, in vm's :)
[17:28] <gobbe> patdk-wk: :-)
[17:28] <skorv> i've got a fresh install (no LVM) for my server
[17:28] <patdk-wk> so most of the time I don't use lvm's, except if I'm working with raw drives that I will want to adjust
[17:28] <patdk-wk> just the moving lvm from machine to machine, expecially when they are named the same, gets lvm really screwy in the head :)
[17:28] <gobbe> patdk-wk: i'v been using lvm's for several years, without any problems
[17:29] <gobbe> problems are 100% times with administrator, not lvm itself :)
[17:29] <Karti> gobbe, drwxr-xr-x 3 root root
[17:29] <patdk-wk> ya, been using them for 5 years no, no real issues, except for all the rhel vm's
[17:29] <gobbe> Karti: and. do you get any errors?
[17:30] <skorv> well... thanks i'll be ok with no LVM
[17:30] <Karti> only in the fact that I can't read or write to the folders once it has been mounted in fstab
[17:30] <gobbe> Karti: what is the mount command?
[17:30] <skorv> how good will the server work with a modem.... enouth to make it a fax server as well?
[17:31] <Karti> gobbe, my fstab is:
[17:31] <Karti> <IP_ADDRESS>:/srv/nfs/Linux /home/jim/Desktop/Network nfs default	0	0
[17:32] <gobbe> and if you try to write you get error?
[17:33] <Karti> gobbe, the create folder and document are greyed out
[17:33] <gobbe> Karti: can you try it from terminal?
[17:34] <milligan> I have a bunch of 32x32 images. Is there any easy way of combining them into one image so I can use them as a SpriteSheet ?
[17:34] <Karti> gobbe, mkdir: cannot create directory `John': Permission denied
[17:34] <gobbe> Karti: whatabout sudo mkdir
[17:35] <Karti> gobbe, still the same
[17:35] <patdk-wk> he doesn't have, norootsquash, so root not allowed
[17:35] <gobbe> uuhyea
[17:35] <gobbe> sorry
[17:35] <patdk-wk> check permissions on the nfs server
[17:35] <gobbe> yep
[17:36] <patdk-wk> make sure john has write access
[17:36] <gobbe> it's permission issue
[17:36] <gobbe> give write permissions to everyone if you want to share it with everyone
[17:36] <Karti> many thanks I will try and give it to a group of users...
[17:36] <Karti> brb
[17:37] <skorv> how do i check the hardware status (fax modem) if its ok and recongized
[17:37] <skorv> internal modem in my case
[17:37] <patdk-wk> skorv, hopefully it's a real faxmodem, and not a softmodem
[17:37] <patdk-wk> oh softmodem, heh, going have to find drivers for it I bet
[17:38] <gobbe> softmodems are quite hell
[17:38] <skorv> i really dont know...
[17:38] <patdk-wk> well, we can't help you if you dn't know the model of the modem
[17:39] <patdk-wk> lspci lsusb, ... can help with that
[17:39] <skorv> gimme a sec
[17:40] <skorv> Communication controller: Conexant Systems, Inc. HSF 56k HSFi Modem
[17:41] <skorv> thats what it says
[17:42] <skorv> guess its a soft modem
[17:43] <gobbe> sounds like
[17:43] <skorv> but at least its a known one P
[17:43] <skorv> :P
[17:46] <skorv> the package available in .deb is x386... and ofc i use amd64
[18:16] <skorv> still setting up that fax... how faxsetup is asking for port... where do i point it?
[18:17] <gobbe> the correct port you have, did you find out that is your modem supported?
[18:17] <gobbe> skorv: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=190728/
[18:17] <skorv> yea... got the package from http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/hsf/full/downloads.php
[18:19] <gobbe> read the link i pasted
[18:22] <skorv> yea... thats for x86... not x64... i had to adapt
[18:23] <gobbe> yes, 64bit might cause trouble
[18:32] <patdk-wk> skorv, you didn't use the free package from linuxant did you? no fax support
[18:56] <sieson> I have this script in the cron folder that I want to run hourly but it might take more than an hour to be completed. Does cron run it even though its still running?
[18:58] <gobbe> sieson: yes
[18:58] <gobbe> sieson: unless you do some hacks to script to see that is it still running
[18:59] <sieson> gobbe: I have to do something in the script? isn't there a way to stop cron from running a script currently running?
[18:59] <gobbe> no
[18:59] <gobbe> cron is just scheduler
[18:59] <gobbe> it doesn't have any ability to see is previous job still running
[18:59] <sieson> gobbe: thanks, will figure out how to get the PID in PHP
[19:14] <skorv> i'm phucked
[19:25] <pmatulis> skorv: ?
[19:48] <iRabbit> so my boss is a cheap bastard and doesn't want to purchase a Windows Sever license. Here I am learning Ubuntu server on the fly for purposes of hosting a few websites. My first question is... how can I set this thing up for remote access via a VPN?
[19:48] <gobbe> openvpn
[19:48] <iRabbit> my second question is, what is the CLI command to see the system specifications
[19:48] <gobbe> what do you mean with system specifications?
[19:49] <air^> google it. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenVPN
[19:49] <gobbe> under /proc you can find several specifications
[19:49] <patdk-wk> lshw is easier, and better to read :)
[19:49] <baggar11> iRabbit: check out SSH for remote management
[19:51] <gobbe> patdk-wk: oh...i forgot lshw totally :-D
[19:51] <iRabbit> I need to know what kind of POS machine this is. it wouldnt let me install x64 but on it
[19:52] <iRabbit> how do I scroll up :(
[19:52] <gobbe> iRabbit: pageup, or just pass output of lshw to file like sudo lshw > something
[19:53] <iRabbit> page up is a no-go
[19:53] <soren> iRabbit: shift-pgup
[19:53] <sherr> shift-pageup
[19:54] <iRabbit> ah there we go, thank you
[19:54] <sherr> dmidecode|less is pretty good for h/w (and BIOS) as well.
[19:55] <sherr> cpu : cat /proc/cpuinfo
[20:26] <Slyboots> hey
[20:26]  * Slyboots is wondering; is there a way to get wget to .. eh.. not quite sure how to explain teh problem
[20:27] <gobbe> well try
[20:27] <gobbe> without trying it's quite impossible to answer
[20:27] <Slyboots> Got a link to download something from amazon; so I copied the URL and pasted it into wget but it doesnt seem to follow the "linking" correctly?
[20:27] <gobbe> unless answer is 42
[20:27] <gobbe> ;)
[20:27] <Slyboots> It downloads .. something' but its not teh file I wanted..
[20:27] <gobbe> Slyboots: use "-marks
[20:28] <gobbe> Slyboots: wget "http://something"
[20:28] <Slyboots> Mm.. nope
[20:29] <Slyboots> Its suppopsed to grab the file "AmazonGSDownloaderSetup.exe"
[20:29] <gobbe> does it require login?
[20:29] <Slyboots> But I just get a HTML document
[20:29] <Slyboots> .. possibly
[20:29] <gobbe> well that's the reason
[20:29] <gobbe> you need to get cookie and hack the way
[20:29] <Slyboots> Hrrr..
[20:30] <Slyboots> I'll download it here and send it via scp or something; might be simpler
[20:31] <Slyboots> Pain in the ass.. :P
[20:31] <gobbe> yes it is
[20:35] <RoyK> Slyboots: use links
[20:36] <RoyK> or lynx
[20:36] <RoyK> or something
[20:36] <RoyK> wget won't follow javascript redirects
[20:36] <Slyboots> The things I have to do to commit fraud
[20:36] <gobbe> RoyK: but still, if site needs login, you need to get cookie before
[20:36] <Slyboots> I swear :P
[20:36] <RoyK> apt-get install links
[20:36] <Slyboots> But at least Amazon is *trusting*
[20:37] <Slyboots> Wow!
[20:37] <Slyboots> it.. supports mouse-interactions?!
[20:37] <Slyboots> ... Thats freaky; I didnt think you could do that in putty
[20:38] <pmatulis> gobbe: lynx is a web browser
[20:38] <RoyK> links is nice
[20:38] <RoyK> lynx is - well - ok
[20:38] <RoyK> but links is awesome
[20:38] <gobbe> pmatulis: yes it is
[20:38] <gobbe> pmatulis: i know :)
[20:38] <pmatulis> or elinks
[20:39] <gobbe> pmatulis: but still, you need to login
[20:39] <pmatulis> gobbe: yes, so?
[20:39] <gobbe> pmatulis: if you need automate something
[20:39] <gobbe> i don't know what slyboots was doing
[20:39] <Slyboots> gobbe: it worked fine
[20:39] <Slyboots> Clicked the link "Oh please log-in.. "Save"
[20:40] <gobbe> Slyboots: yes, i thought that you are doing somekind of automation
[20:40] <gobbe> my mistake
[20:41] <Slyboots> gobbe: nah..
[20:41] <Slyboots> Need the Amazon windows client to download games
[20:41] <gobbe> ok
[20:41]  * RoyK is waiting for Steam to download Civ V for his mac
[20:42] <Slyboots> Mm..
[20:42] <Slyboots> Wait; somethings gone a bit wrong I fear
[20:43] <Slyboots> Think you need a browser to use this program
[20:54] <Delerium_> Hi, can someone do 2 little connection test for me?  (http + a telnet)
[20:57]  * Slyboots Need a really basic web-browser
[20:57] <Slyboots> Uh..
[20:57] <Slyboots> Isnt there one called dig or something
[20:58] <Slyboots> Or Dilo or something stupid like that
[20:58] <gobbe> dig is not a webbrowser
[20:59] <gobbe> web-browser
[20:59] <gobbe> Slyboots: links?
[21:01] <Slyboots> Needs to be GUI based
[21:01] <Slyboots> Soemthing wine will link to; and without a ton of crappy dependances like Gnome or KDE
[21:02] <Slyboots> Chromium; perfect
[21:14] <Slyboots> Crap!
[21:14] <Slyboots> Doesnt work
[21:16] <RoyK> dbpool/bacula              1.61T  92.8T  1.61T  /dbpool/bacula
[21:24] <Slyboots> May have to setup a virtual-server client.. bleh
[21:25] <Slyboots> I know this is outside Ubuntu server..
[21:25] <Slyboots> Well; actually perhaps not; is there a way to setup something like VirtualBox on a headerless server?
[21:26] <clayd> i am running a ubuntu server to host wordpress sites.  for some reason i can not send emails from with in wordpress.  is the a mod for apache that is needed, or for php?
[21:26] <clayd> basically do i need something like postfix?
[22:18] <Slyboots> Crap..
[22:18] <Slyboots> Anyone know how to tell were all your free-space has gone :P
[22:19] <patdk-wk> du :)
[22:20] <Slyboots> .. a *friendly* way lol
[22:20] <air^> use some nice parameters to du? :)
[22:21] <air^> "du -h --max-depth 1" ?
[22:21] <RoyK> Slyboots: try rn
[22:21] <RoyK> or rm
[22:22] <air^> ;)
[22:22] <Slyboots> running du is rather like having someone scream in your face
[22:22] <Slyboots> Not very plesent..
[22:22] <air^> as said, just give it right parameters and it acts nicely.
[22:22] <RoyK> Slyboots: if you don't know where the data is, it's the only way
[22:23] <Slyboots> Mmm
[22:23] <RoyK> du -sch /path/*
[22:30] <patdk-wk> heh, I normally do: du -sc /* | sort -n
[22:30] <patdk-wk> go into largest *odd* directory, and repeat
[22:30] <patdk-wk> well, with the / removed
[22:33]  * Slyboots will just have to dig around.. not 100% whats going on


[12:50] <maxolasersquad> Oh nose, I'm using Windows and SVN!
[13:06] <mhall119> :(
[13:57] <chaynie> mhall119: Is Panera sufficiently kid friendly?
[13:58] <DammitJim> yes... especially the one in WP
[13:58] <chaynie> DammitJim: We were thinking the one off Lake Buena Vista.
[14:01] <mhall119> chaynie: yeah
[14:01] <chaynie> mhall119: Let's shoot for that then.
[14:02] <chaynie> pak33m: Do you have the number for the Panera in LBV?
[14:18] <pak33m> chaynie: not on me but i can find out and add to the loco dir page, if you like
[14:18] <chaynie> pak33m: That's ok.
[14:19] <chaynie> I'll can get it myself, I just wanted to see if you had it handy.
[14:20] <chaynie> So everyone is ok for Apr.30th from 1pm to 5pm, or do you think that's too long?
[14:20] <chaynie> Maybe 1 to 4?
[14:21] <pak33m> chaynie: thats good for me as i will be kidless that weekend
[14:25] <chaynie> pak33m, mhall119: 8600 Vineland Avenue  Orlando, FL 32821 (407) 842-130 .... For Your Refernce.
[14:25] <chaynie> errr reference.
[14:25] <chaynie><PHONE_NUMBER>
[14:25] <chaynie> copy paste fail.
[14:25] <pak33m> chaynie: did you call to hold the room there. methinks they require that
[14:26] <chaynie> pak33m: About to go do that now.
[14:26] <pak33m> chaynie is all over it
[14:26] <pak33m> chaynie: thats not the panera with the glass room that dantalizing liked so much
[14:29] <chaynie> pak33m: That's the one we had the other release party at.
[14:29] <chaynie> Anyways, I just called them and we're set.
[14:30] <pak33m> yeah that was fun cos we were exposed to the entire place
[14:32] <mhall119> chaynie: did you update the event in LD?
[14:44] <chaynie> mhall119: That's next on my list.
[14:45] <MichelleQ> chaynie: I've got the address - what's the location?
[14:46] <chaynie> MichelleQ: It's a Panera Bread, if that's what you're asking.
[14:46] <MichelleQ> never mind, finished reading the scrollback
[14:46]  * MichelleQ adds to calendar.
[14:47] <chaynie> mhall119: Location Updated in Loco Directory.
[14:47] <chaynie> mhall119, cjohnston: Also, loco-directory is quite slick. Keep up the good work!
[14:51] <mhall119> thanks chaynie
[15:35] <ayan> about?
[15:35] <ayan> sorry.  wrong window.
[16:32] <Nalyd_Relwof|CB> I have a dual boot system that will not boot Ubuntu 10.10, but still boots windows.  It is unable to mount /dev, /sys, and /proc at start.
[16:32] <Nalyd_Relwof|CB> How would I fix that?
[16:36] <chaynie> Nalyd_Relwof|CB: Which OS did you install last, Windows or Ubuntu?
[16:36] <Nalyd_Relwof|CB> Ubuntu
[16:36] <mhall119> how much space did you give the Ubuntu install?
[16:37] <mhall119> did you use a partition or WUBI?
[16:37] <Nalyd_Relwof|CB> 100GB, using the partition method.
[16:38] <mhall119> what version of Ubuntu?
[16:38] <mhall119> and how much of that 100GB is free?
[16:42] <Nalyd_Relwof|CB> Ubuntu 10.10, 97.27GB Home, 1.86 /, 8.95 Swap.
[16:42] <Nalyd_Relwof|CB> I don't know how much of the home or / partitions are used.
[16:46] <zoopster> interesting...1.5+g might be a bit too small, huh
[16:47] <zoopster> I'm using 4g myself
[17:17] <mhall119> yeah, 1.5 seems small for root partition
[17:23] <jck77> hello
[20:36] <maxolasersquad> Some good advice: http://unarmed.shlomifish.org/909.html
[20:37] <maxolasersquad> ... on dealing with trolls.
[22:33] <RoAkSoAx> itnet7_: ping


[03:03] <ozgurgerilla> Hi all
[03:04] <ozgurgerilla> I was wondering how I can contribute as a tester.
[23:36] <ozgurgerilla> Hi all, as a beginner I want to know how to be assigned to a particular project to test packages, can someone tell me how to join a project?


[08:12] <desrt> HELLO DESKTOP
[08:14] <larsu> desrt: stop screaming, please
[08:15]  * ogra_ rasies his ear trumpet
[08:15] <ogra_> what did he say ?
[08:18]  * davmor2 shakes walking stick and shout "Get Off My LAWN!"
[08:18]  * ogra_ rasies his ear trumpet again
[08:18] <ogra_> what did he say ?
[08:20] <davmor2> ogra_: peskie kids muttering to themselves all the time
[08:24] <willcooke> http://pad.ubuntu.com/N4aJtsz2V7
[08:26] <pitti> Good morning
[08:26] <pitti> yay, back to a mostly sane TZ :)
[08:26] <larsu> pitti: hi! How's London?
[08:28] <seb128> hey pitti, had a good trip back to Europe?
[08:28] <willcooke> https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheets/d/18-enLvvZScjIlkO0VhHG-CuTdK1TUzlNMkdevDqjMB0/edit#gid=0
[08:28] <willcooke> http://pad.ubuntu.com/N4aJtsz2V7
[08:29] <pitti> seb128: yeah, I did; all went well
[08:29] <pitti> seb128: how was your's? you took the Eurostar, I figurE?
[08:29] <pitti> larsu: you aren't here? for the desktop sprint?
[08:29] <larsu> pitti: trolling isn't what it used to be in here ;)
[08:29] <seb128> pitti, mine was fine, yeah, eurostar, easy and uneventful ;-)
[08:29] <larsu> pitti: I am. It's nice and sunny!
[08:30] <pitti> larsu: sorry, too distracted/jetlagged for subtle jokes still
[08:31] <larsu> pitti: no worries. Enjoy your day! Hope to see you some time this week
[08:31] <pitti> larsu: yeah, I was too tired last night for getting to your hotel again, sorry
[08:31] <pitti> but definitively let's meet for some dinner/beer this week!
[08:32] <larsu> :)
[08:36] <seb128> pitti, we are going to be in the office on thursday
[08:36] <pitti> seb128: oh, nice! for the release party?
[08:36] <seb128> + beer event in the evening for vivid
[08:36] <seb128> yeah
[08:36] <pitti> rockin'
[08:37] <seb128> :-)
[10:36] <willcooke> http://www.whizzy.org/2015/02/snapping-mosquitto-mqtt-broker/
[10:36] <willcooke> robert_ancell, ^^
[10:44] <MacSlow> for more than an hour I'm watching systemd hanging at "A start job is running for Enable s...y formats" during boot... anyone with an idea how to fix/workaround that... or what's causing this?
[10:44] <MacSlow> oh... and "Login Service" and "Network Manager" failed to start too
[11:55] <seb128> willcooke, inspiron 11 3000 series 3138
[11:55] <seb128> reg model P19T
[13:15] <rbasak> Does someone in the desktop team want to take bug 1445358? Looks like it should be considered release critical to me.
[13:15] <ogra_> heh, so shiny
[13:21] <seb128> rbasak, can you mention it to diwic on #ubuntu-devel?
[13:21] <seb128> rbasak, TheMuso is off this week and we don't have anybody else in desktop working on pulseaudio
[13:26] <didrocks> mterry: hey, we are on a sprint, and we were wondering if you got Unity8 running with a snappy image. In that case, what device and procedure have we used? We tried an usb stick, but of course, most of the time, no wifi drivers on the image…
[13:27] <mterry> didrocks, no, I didn't get as far as the entirety of unity8
[13:27] <didrocks> mterry: did you get at least a working machine, which isn't a qemu device?
[13:28] <didrocks> like a laptop, with ssh, and such…
[13:28] <mterry> didrocks, yeah, I had a snappy laptop that I ssh'd into
[13:28] <mterry> didrocks, did you see my email about deb2snap?  I got mir and xmir clients working
[13:28] <mterry> didrocks, but didn't try something as complicated as unity8
[13:28] <mterry> I bet there are some gaps (dbus?  gsettings caches?)
[13:28] <didrocks> mterry: that's exactly why I'm pinging you :) But to get mir, we need to use some intel based laptop
[13:29] <didrocks> and we still have to find one with a running ubuntu core image :p
[13:29] <didrocks> (where we have network)
[13:29] <mterry> didrocks, I had an nvidia laptop
[13:29] <didrocks> oh, mir supports it?
[13:29] <mterry> didrocks, it seems to...  using nouveau
[13:29] <didrocks> interesting
[13:29] <didrocks> do you know about qemu? Maybe that can help iterating
[13:29] <didrocks> (well kvm)
[13:31] <mterry> didrocks, yeah well I tried kvm
[13:31] <mterry> didrocks, but mir needs real hardware (/dev/dri/card0 access)
[13:31] <didrocks> mterry: ok, thanks for confirming. We'll try harder to find a way to at least have ubuntu core running on real hardware first :)
[13:31] <ogra_> mterry, doesnt the new HW access framework now make that available ?
[13:32] <mterry> ogra_, I don't know...  It didn't last time I tested on vivid
[13:32] <ogra_> yeah, that was still in development back then ... i think it is there now
[13:35]  * didrocks tries in a vm
[13:48] <didrocks> mterry: ogra_: doesn't work FYI
[13:48] <didrocks> (with kvm)
[15:35] <seb128> kenvandine, hey, are you going somewhere with those flacky tests? I see you had a bunch of (re)tries, do you understand what's going on?
[15:36] <kenvandine> yes
[15:36] <kenvandine> i'm trying to beat on it :)
[15:36] <kenvandine> ignore the noise for now
[15:36] <kenvandine> i have it reliably passing the specific tests we had failing before
[15:36] <kenvandine> but i introduced another problem...
[15:36] <kenvandine> fixing
[15:39] <seb128> kenvandine, what was the issue?
[15:40] <seb128> I'm curious, your mp doesn't explain much
[15:40]  * larsu waves to seb128
[15:40]  * seb128 waves back
[15:42] <kenvandine> seb128, we think it was because we had a test calling another test
[15:43] <kenvandine> so i refactored it to not need to call that test to setup
[15:43] <kenvandine> but i also added more wait_selects, etc
[15:43] <kenvandine> but that wasn't the real issue
[15:49] <seb128> kenvandine, it doesn't make sense, for me the failing test was clearly a tap from autopilot not resulting as a tap/generated as an onClicked
[15:49] <kenvandine> seb128, elopio says that's because it wasn't ready when the click was sent
[15:49] <kenvandine> so it didn't get it
[15:49] <kenvandine> the qml side wasn't ready
[15:50] <seb128> kenvandine, what does that mean?
[15:50] <seb128> the UI is on screen
[15:50] <seb128> and built
[15:50] <seb128> and the listitem is stable/displayed and get something happening to it
[15:50] <kenvandine> that's what he said :)
[15:50] <seb128> e.g you get the selected bg color changed
[15:50] <kenvandine> but was it ready before autopilot called the click
[15:50] <seb128> like if it was dnd-ed rather than clicked
[15:51] <seb128> define ready
[15:51] <seb128> it was on screen stable displayed without changing for some seconds
[15:51] <seb128> and the click made the line bg change
[15:51] <seb128> the text just doesn't turn red and the onClicked handler doesn't trigger
[15:51] <kenvandine> yeah
[15:51] <seb128> to me it looks like the tap is doing a dnd
[15:51] <kenvandine> hmm
[15:51] <seb128> or something which is not seen as a proper click
[15:52] <kenvandine> so removing the call to the other test, did seem to fix that
[15:52] <kenvandine> i got a couple passes in a row in CI
[15:52] <seb128> doesn't make sense to me
[15:52] <kenvandine> not sure how that caused it though
[15:53] <kenvandine> but he said we should never call a test from a test
[15:53] <kenvandine> but
[15:53] <seb128> why not?
[15:53] <kenvandine> that code as been there for 15 months
[15:53] <kenvandine> and it wasn't a problem before
[15:53] <kenvandine> but it is the only place we do that
[15:53] <kenvandine> he didn't really say why
[15:53] <kenvandine> he also said we shouldn't have more than one assertion
[15:54] <kenvandine> which i don't really agree with
[15:54] <kenvandine> he said each test should only have one assert
[15:55] <seb128> k, weird
[15:55] <kenvandine> but for a UI test, i think it makes sense to assert on multiple things
[15:55] <seb128> I think people just suggest workarounds there
[15:55] <kenvandine> what i'm still puzzled by is why this just started happening
[15:55] <seb128> but let's see if that's enough to make things stable, I somewhat doubt it


[04:32] <pleia2> happy to add whomever to the fridge calendar, just lmk your google accounts
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