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[19:01] <balloons> Hello and welcome to this intro to ubuntu quality session. This is the first in a series of sessions the quality team is presenting over the next several weeks.
[19:01] <balloons> This session is intended to introduce you to what the quality team does, and some of the sites and tools utilized by the team, as well as how you can join and participate.
[19:02] <balloons> You may ask questions at any point.. Just be sure to utilize the #ubuntu-classroom-chat channel
[19:02] <balloons> Everyone ready?
[19:02] <balloons> I'm going to give a brief overview of what QA is and how the team works, then we'll dive into some of the tools we use
[19:02] <sanjay_> yes
[19:02] <balloons> Finally, we'll talk about how you can get involved and then do a Q & A
[19:03] <balloons> So to start off, let’s take a look at the wiki page for the team
[19:03] <balloons> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam
[19:04] <balloons> On the page you can see some of the teams goals and purpose
[19:04] <balloons> simply put, we help ensure everyone's work in ubuntu is presented in the best possible way
[19:05] <balloons> from designing good process, to testing, to making sure things 'just work', we want the culmination of work that results in the ubuntu image to be the best it can be
[19:06] <balloons> So where do we hang out?
[19:06] <balloons> Many different places actually :-)
[19:06] <balloons> The quality team is a diverse group of folks with different skillsets
[19:06] <balloons> however, we do have some official communication channels should you need to reach us
[19:07] <balloons> right here on IRC, #ubuntu-quality
[19:07] <balloons> on our mailing list:     https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
[19:07] <balloons> in the forums;     http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=427
[19:07] <balloons> on askubuntu;     http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/quality
[19:08] <balloons> and even on social sites like facebook, twitter and google
[19:09] <balloons> So let's talk about some of the sites that we utilize and there purpose
[19:09] <balloons> First up is  http://errors.ubuntu.com
[19:10] <balloons> errors is driven by whoopsie-daisy, the brainchild of evan.. If anyone was able to make it to the last UDS, you may have seen his presentation on the behind the scenes details for this tool and it's growth
[19:11] <balloons> what errors show us is the error rates for our current ubuntu installs, linking them to bug reports, sorting by frequency and showing the average over time
[19:12] <balloons> although as a team we are typically focused more on the developing version of ubuntu, we can utilize this data to see what might need more testing or new regressions tests if a package has a high occurrence of crtiical bugs
[19:12] <balloons> Next up is the QA dashboard
[19:12] <balloons> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/
[19:13] <ClassBot> dkessel asked: what is the scale of that graph? 0.1 errors per day can't be right?
[19:14] <balloons> good question dkessel.. I believe that is showing the errors per day in comparison to a benchmark rate, in this case 12.04
[19:14] <balloons> I am willing to be corrected on that, but that's my understanding :-)
[19:15] <balloons> Ok, back to the dashboard :-)
[19:15] <balloons> This is currently utilized to show the automated testing results for our daily images
[19:16] <balloons> by default your looking at the current development release, and todays builds sorted descending by date
[19:17] <balloons> we can utilize this to follow-up with further manual testing on images that repeatedly show as broken. In addition, we withhold publishing known broken images for manual testing until they meet a baseline criteria for installation via automated testing
[19:17] <balloons> Next is the QATracker
[19:18] <balloons> There are several instances, but I will briefly link to one, the iso tracker
[19:18] <balloons> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[19:18] <balloons> The tracker is where we submit results and get testing information.. Our testing workload is managed through the different qatracker sites
[19:20] <balloons> Ok, I'd like to talk about some tools we utilize now
[19:20] <balloons> In conjunction, we'll chat about some of the activities we do in QA
[19:21] <balloons> As we just spoke about, the QATracker is a big part of enabling us to work together as a team
[19:21] <balloons>         https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/QATracker
[19:22] <ClassBot> chilicuil asked: what's the difference between http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/sru/ and http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html ?
[19:22] <balloons> Pausing to answer this for a sec :-)
[19:22] <balloons> chilicuil, the difference is that the reports site is showing testing for kernel sru
[19:22] <balloons> the sru pending report is showing all sru's and there status
[19:23] <balloons> I trust that answers the question
[19:23] <balloons> Ok, back to the tracker quickly
[19:23] <balloons> the wiki page has more details about how it works and the workflow..
[19:24] <balloons> we'll come back in a moment to look at the walkthroughs
[19:24] <balloons> for now, let's move on
[19:24] <balloons> We mentioned the isotracker and linked everyone to it.. iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[19:25] <balloons> So, you can see there are images for raring and precise ready for testing
[19:25] <balloons> iso testing is one activity you can do as part of the team, as is a great way to start
[19:25] <balloons> one of the tools you can utilize to help with this is called testdrive
[19:25] <balloons> This page describes the tool in a bit more detail: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UsingDevelopmentReleases
[19:26] <balloons> In addition, the walkthrough uses testdrive to teach you how to undergo your first iso test: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Walkthrough
[19:27] <balloons> In short, testdrive will help you download the daily iso of your choosing for testing, and ease you into doing an instillation test by starting up a vm for you
[19:28] <balloons> Ok, so that's one facet of 'manual testing'
[19:29] <balloons> there's a few more.. We also test packages.. packages.qa.ubuntu.com. This typically invovles installing software from a ppa and running through a set of tests.
[19:29] <balloons> Finally, phillw in the next session will be covering writing tests for manual testcases, so I won't cover that here..
[19:29] <balloons> On the 'automated testing' side of things we utilize a few tools as well to help
[19:30] <balloons> The first is called Autopilot, https://launchpad.net/autopilot
[19:30] <balloons> as a team we've adopted this tool this cycle to help us automate some of our manual testing that is better suited to for automation
[19:31] <balloons> We are having several hackathons where you can learn more about writing autopilot tests, as well as autopkg tests
[19:31] <balloons> Autopkg tests are the other automated testing we as a team participate in
[19:31] <balloons> http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/auto-pkg-test.html
[19:32] <balloons> The difference between the two is the scope of the test
[19:32] <balloons> autopkg tests are aimed at testing integration, low-level and build time testing
[19:32] <balloons> it's more in line with system testing, ensuring a package works as expected on the installation target
[19:33] <balloons> for autopilot testing, we are focused on functional testing.. this means we are looking at testing from a user or gui perspective
[19:34] <balloons> If you'd like to know more about contributing autopilot or autopkg tests, see these answers and join us at the hackathons
[19:34] <balloons> http://askubuntu.com/questions/236202/how-do-i-contribute-an-autopkg-test-to-ubuntu
[19:34] <balloons> http://askubuntu.com/questions/233219/how-do-i-contribute-an-autopilot-test
[19:35] <balloons> I'd like to touch on another activity that we as a team do in testing.. Please feel free to ask questions if I'm glazing over something, or something didn't make sense
[19:35] <balloons> We'll stop at the end for a general q & a as well
[19:36] <balloons> Hardware testing is a growing area for us as a team
[19:36] <balloons> The laptop testing team has been around for awhile doing excellent work to ensure ubuntu works on a wide range of hardware
[19:36] <balloons> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Laptop
[19:37] <balloons> Currently, we are looking for more folks to help push forward a testing hw database using ubuntu friendly, hexr, and the work the laptop team continues to do.. So it's an exciting time if your interested in that type of testing
[19:38] <balloons> Ok, so perhaps I've enticed you to join us in our quality endeavors :-) Getting involved in quality is a great way to start contributing to ubuntu
[19:39] <balloons> you will be exposed to many different teams and people.. And the work and skillsets required are always interesting
[19:40] <balloons> The next steps for joining the team are quite simple. It's an open membership. You simply need a ubuntu SSO account
[19:40] <balloons> https://login.launchpad.net/+new_account, if you don't have one
[19:41] <balloons> That will allow you to contribute results to the tracker. In addition you should join our launchpad team and mailing list.. And then leave us a message and say hello! We're happy to help you get started and guide you through an area you'd like to help in
[19:41] <balloons> LP team: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-testing
[19:41] <balloons> mailing list:  https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
[19:41] <balloons> The mailing list will keep you informed about testing events we are having, new initiatives, and allow you to ask questions and get help
[19:42] <balloons> Finally, our #ubuntu-quality channel has folks from around the world hanging out at many different hours of the day.. Do stop by and say hello there as well..
[19:42] <balloons> Ok, That's the end of my spiel :-) I'm happy to field any questions you may have now
[19:45] <ClassBot> ripper asked: What's the size of the QA team (internal/community)? Do you develop all of your QA tools on your own?
[19:47] <balloons> ripper, good question. As far as size is concerned, you can look and see the number of folks on our launchpad team.. currently sitting at 183.. Not everyone is active all the time (nor expected to be :-) ), but in general we have a nice size of folks around and willing to help and engage. As far as tools are concerned, we generally utilize things built by others (typically within the ubuntu community), although some tools come from within.
[19:49] <balloons> For instance, autopilot comes to us from the unity team. Autopkg is a debian standard, we're just using it. Testdrive was built by the ubuntu community I believe, but virtualbox, lvm, etc are from somewhere else. The qatracker was built by folks internally for the purposes of doing testing work
[19:49] <balloons> In general, I always love to see more development minded folks write some nifty tools we all can utilize
[19:50] <ClassBot> JoseeAntonioR asked: Are there any QA tools that are still in development, but mature enough for the team to use, that we should know about?
[19:50] <ClassBot> There are 10 minutes remaining in the current session.
[19:50] <balloons> Hmm.. there are certainly other tools for QA
[19:51] <balloons> xpressor and sikuli for instance are both also functional testing tools.. mago / ldtp have been used in times past
[19:51] <balloons> checkbox is utilized by ubuntu friendly, has been utilized by our team in the past, and may again be utilized to do the hardware database
[19:53] <balloons> Any other questions? I hope this has been a good introduction for all of you. I would encourage you to pick out some sessions the other community members are leading on specific topics
[19:53] <balloons> there's some great stuff being covered, and it will help ensure you don't get lost or confused in trying to help
[19:54] <balloons> and you get to be instructed by someone other than me :-p.. so that might be a bonus for you
[19:54] <ClassBot> adamw asked: What's the process for testing updates to stable releases? I didn't see that covered, unless I missed it
[19:54] <balloons> adamw, we skimmed it briefly, but didn't talk about the process
[19:54] <balloons> we call these SRU's
[19:55] <balloons> that means, stable release updates
[19:55] <ClassBot> There are 5 minutes remaining in the current session.
[19:55] <balloons> The process is tracked via launchpad typically, and invovles the developer who fixed the bug, the SRU team, and (hopefully) the bug submitter and/or affected folks
[19:56] <balloons> The package is uploaded to a proposed queue where the aforementioned people will test and ensure it fixes the issue before being released to the general repository for everyone
[19:57] <balloons> Thanks for coming out everyone! I hope to see you around again. Feel free to contact me anytime
[19:57] <balloons> you have my IRC nick now.. I'l link my lp page
[19:57] <balloons> https://launchpad.net/~nskaggs
[19:57] <balloons> Finally, happy testing!
[19:58] <JoseeAntonioR> thanks a lot, balloons, this has been a great session.
[19:59] <JoseeAntonioR> coming up, we have an Introduction to Manual Test Cases, with phillw, in about an hour. Stay tuned!
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[20:26] <tockitj> Atlantic777 (:
[20:27] <Atlantic777> hey :D
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[21:03] <JoseeAntonioR> let's wait a few seconds while phillw gets ready :)
[21:04] <phillw> Hi folks, I'm phillw
[21:05] <phillw> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw
[21:05] <phillw> I'm going to give an introduction to manual test cases, please feel free to ask questions as I go along. If I don't immediately reply in here it is because I will be covering that question in this session.
[21:05] <phillw> so, to begin.
[21:05] <phillw> Whilst the growth and development of the automated test systems is a massive step forward, there are times when a human is needed :)
[21:06] <phillw> in some ways, think of the millions of dollars that NASA spent on designing a pen that would in space... The USSR simply used pencils.
[21:07] <phillw> As part of the evolution of testing, the manual test cases are being re-written into a new format which is easier to follow.
[21:08] <phillw> The test cases, which are linked to the iso tracker, are important as they give a consistant set of steps to follow.
[21:09] <phillw> When ever thinking about a manual test case, you must follow one simple rule...
[21:09] <phillw> would my mum understand what you are asking the person to do.
[21:10] <phillw> They are click by click instructions... Do this
[21:10] <phillw> expect this result
[21:10] <phillw> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/TestCaseFormat
[21:12] <phillw> even a long, involved, test case such as http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1439/info
[21:12] <phillw> should be easy to follow
[21:13] <phillw> Test cases used to look (and a lot still do) look like http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Applications/Calculator
[21:13] <phillw> The important things are written down, and the steps are there.
[21:14] <phillw> !q
[21:14] <phillw> !y
[21:15] <ClassBot> Ade asked: Are test cases written to a use case or Software Requirements Specification?
[21:15] <phillw> there are two types of test cases
[21:15] <phillw> generic (which apply across all flavours)
[21:16] <phillw> specific (which are application / flavour / architecture specific
[21:19] <phillw> there are two areas for test cases, those on the iso-tracker at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/243/builds
[21:20] <phillw> such as http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1300/info
[21:20] <phillw> and those for applications
[21:21] <phillw> which are held at http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/
[21:22] <phillw> an example being http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1448/info
[21:23] <phillw> there is a 3rd manual test system, used for smoke testing which has a slightly different format for setting up.
[21:24] <phillw> As part of the push for getting things transferred to the new format, there is a page area on the QATeam area. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/TestcaseUpdates
[21:25] <phillw> It may look like nothing has happened, but balloons has been tidying up the page to remove those areas that have been fully completed :)
[21:28] <phillw> but, what is needed is more people to assist.
[21:29] <phillw> as stated on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/TestCaseFormat getting involved is a good way to logically think out solutions to questions.
[21:31] <phillw> So, going back to http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Applications/Calculator
[21:31] <phillw> we would begin with the standard header....

Goto Applications->Accessories->Calculator

[21:33] <phillw> at which point, we expect it to start
[21:33] <phillw> so, the expected result would be written
[21:34] <phillw>
Calculator starts

[21:35] <phillw> from there on, you would state
[21:36] <phillw>
 Do this

[21:36] <phillw>
Expect this

[21:39] <phillw> I've not had chance to do the calc one, give me a moment to pull up the details of an exisiting one.
[21:40] <phillw> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1301/info is written as
[21:41] <phillw> http://pastebin.com/JiZf3quS
[21:42] <phillw> whilst it is somewhat involved, you can see the steps for "Do This" and "Expect This".
[21:43] <ClassBot> JoseeAntonioR asked: Shouldn't the last one be '
Expect this
'?
[21:43] <phillw> JoseeAntonioR: indeed it should, my fault for missing the close tag.
 .....
 in order to keep the format correct, my typo.
[21:45] <phillw> which is also no end of fun for me to debug when scratching my head :)
[21:47] <phillw> I hope that this introduction to writing manual test cases has not frightened people away, as stated on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/TestcaseUpdates please feel free to contact us!
[21:47] <phillw> I'll leave the remaining time for any questions.
[21:48] <ClassBot> kparal asked: what is your opinion on having generic test cases (people have to figure out some stuff by themselves, or it's intentionally fuzzy to get different results from different testers) compared to very detailed test cases ("click on button X, then on button Y", which need to be updated regularly as the software changes)? do you use both approaches, or prefer just the detailed test cases?
[21:49] <phillw> hi kparal one of the advantages of having the test cases split between 'generic', such as those on the iso tracker and the others on the application area is that a test case can be updated for a change in the software (application).
[21:50] <ClassBot> There are 10 minutes remaining in the current session.
[21:50] <phillw> so, we do use both approaches.
[21:51] <phillw> all test cases should be in the format, Do 'A', exepect 'B'.
[21:52] <phillw> *expect*
[21:54] <phillw> as smoke tests are different to normal testing. for the record of this session I'll copy over a chat.
[21:54] <phillw> I would add I think the difference your describing is smoke tests versus testcases
[21:54] <phillw> smoke tests do have test cases as well?
[21:55] <phillw> meaning, during smoke testing we'll ask a series of genericish questions, to which the tester(s) can reply and find issues
[21:55] <phillw> (21:53:19) balloons: yes, here's some we have right now this week for pulseaudio
[21:55] <phillw> (21:53:37) balloons: http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/251/builds/34454/testcases/1336/results
[21:55] <phillw> (21:54:07) balloons: this type of testing is useful, but in s different way than a detailed testcase
[21:55] <ClassBot> There are 5 minutes remaining in the current session.
[21:55] <ClassBot> Ade asked: Where is the best place to view test cases that need to be written/updated and once complete then how would you submit them?
[21:56] <phillw> Ade, if you follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/TestcaseUpdates you can contact any of the team at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-testcase
[21:57] <phillw> or simply ask on the QATeam mailing list
[21:57] <phillw> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Contact
[21:58] <ClassBot> kparal asked: in which part of the cycle do you do smoke testing, and in which part do you do application test cases testing? is that separated or simultaneous?
[21:59] <phillw> I'm not overly familiar with smoke testing, balloons would be better person to ask about that subject. We'll make an effort to update the Wiki to answer your question (If he hasn't already done it :) )
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[22:00] <phillw> Thanks everyone. remember, you can always ask questions on #ubuntu-quality
[22:01] <JoseeAntonioR> thanks a lot, phillw! stay tuned to the calendar and the blog to see upcoming sessions. see you there!


[08:19] <Ampelbein> With this http://paste.ubuntu.com/838760/, I still get the hardening flags in $CFLAGS. According to dpkg-buildflags' man-page, "export DEB_BUILD_MAINT_OPTIONS = hardening=-all" should disable hardening. What am I doing wrong?
[08:20] <micahg> we have some default hardening in our toolchain, I wonder if that's supposed to be removed in this case
[08:22] <Ampelbein> micahg: If I call 'DEB_BUILD_MAINT_OPTIONS=hardening=-all dpkg-buildpackage' CFLAGS is set correctly so I guess it should.
[08:23] <micahg> you have extra space around the first = in the paste, idk if that would make a difference though
[08:24] <Ampelbein> It's a makefile so that shouldn't matter.
[08:24] <Ampelbein> It doesn't.
[08:25] <tumbleweed> Ampelbein: to get the effect of DEB_BUILD_MAINT_OPTIONS you need to export CFLAGS et al yourself
[08:27] <Ampelbein> tumbleweed: Ah, ok. I was under the impression that dpkg-buildflags handles that for me.
[08:27] <Ampelbein> debian bug 644412 sounds related
[08:28] <tumbleweed> Ampelbein: it handles it for you, if you use it
[08:28] <tumbleweed> sure, you can use buildflags.mk
[08:28] <tumbleweed> or just do it by hand (I do that in pypy)
[08:29] <Ampelbein> What I don't get is: It works correctly if I do 'DEB_BUILD_MAINT_OPTIONS=hardening=-all dpkg-buildpackage'
[08:37] <tumbleweed> that's because dpkg-buildpackage runs dpkg-buildflags
[08:38] <tumbleweed> (although that  behavior has been dropped in Debian)
[08:38] <tumbleweed> we'll presumably follow suit in q
[08:48] <micahg> Ampelbein: don't forget to document the disabling of hardening flags on the security wiki page (I assume you trying disabling some of them before all)
[08:49] <Ampelbein> micahg: It's about a fpc using package (gearhead), which should not have hardening enabled in the first place as the programming language is pascal.
[08:52] <micahg> Ampelbein: hmm, if that's true, then we probably need a more generalized solution for this that disabling on a per package basis
[08:53] <Ampelbein> micahg: The build failure in question: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/92025261/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-i386.gearhead_1.100-2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[08:54] <Ampelbein> That's another thing I don't understand. According to the manpage of dpkg-buildflags, only in dh compat level 9 should the flags be exported. The package uses compat level 5...
[08:55] <micahg> we have -fstack-protector in our toolchain by default amongst other things
[08:55] <micahg> did you try just without that?
[08:55] <Ampelbein> Yes, fpc doesn't understand any -format, -format-security, -fstack-protector
[08:55] <tumbleweed> Ampelbein: we export the build flags in dpkg-buildpackage
[08:55]  * tumbleweed digs out the e-mail announcing that
[08:57] <micahg> still, there are about a dozen packages that use fpc, I'm wondering how any of them built befre
[08:57] <tumbleweed> Ampelbein: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-November/034351.html
[08:58] <Ampelbein> micahg: In the case of gearhead, the last build was october 2010
[08:59] <Ampelbein> Where CFLAGS didn't include any of the hardening flags (https://launchpadlibrarian.net/48191679/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-i386.gearhead_1.100-2_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz)
[08:59] <Ampelbein> tumbleweed: thanks, reading.
[08:59] <micahg> ah, ok
[09:00] <tumbleweed> our gcc also does hardening flags by default, doesn't it
[09:00]  * tumbleweed forgets
[09:00] <micahg> yeah, but this is fpc which is why it worked before, now the hardening has moved
[09:01] <tumbleweed> micahg: thanks for reminding me tha tI should document the lack of hardening in pypy
[10:42] <Rhonda> hmm, so what's the proper version for a lucid-backport?  (heading to the wiki to check herself …)
[10:44] <Rhonda> hmm, either I missed it, or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports doesn't state so …
[10:49] <Rhonda> duh
[10:49] <Rhonda> Make people more aware of backports, and make the backport request process less transparent
[10:49] <Rhonda> shouldn't that read MORE transparent instead of LESS transparent?!?
[10:49]  * Rhonda . o O ( from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BackportsPromotion )
[10:50] <Rhonda> … not that the page looks in any sense relevant, or current. :)
[11:00] <Zhenech> oh hai Rhonda -- want to do some syncs for me again? :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pokerth/+bug/930906 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/monkeystudio/+bug/930907
[11:00] <Zhenech> (yes, yet another pokerth update, sorry, upstream is active)
[11:02] <Rhonda> hmmm, start to wonder what the build1 of monkeystudio was for
[11:02] <Zhenech> Rhonda, libqscintilla 2.6.0 i guess
[11:02] <Zhenech> it bumped soname some month or two ago
[11:03] <Rhonda> ah, that build1 was also available in debian, and not only in ubuntu?
[11:03] <Zhenech> yepp
[11:03] <Zhenech> +b1 there of course, but you get the point
[11:04] <Rhonda> subject: [ubuntu/precise] monkeystudio <IP_ADDRESS>-2 (Accepted)
[11:04] <Rhonda> subject: [ubuntu/precise] pokerth 0.9.3-1 (Accepted)
[11:04] <Zhenech> thanks a lot
[11:05] <Rhonda> de nada
[11:05] <Rhonda> now tell me what version I need to use :)
[11:05] <Zhenech> ~bpo60+1
[11:05] <Zhenech> :P
[11:06] <Rhonda> does 1:1.10-1~lucid1 look proper?
[11:06] <Rhonda> Zhenech: ~bpo60+1 is done already ;)
[11:07] <micahg> Rhonda: looks right for the official version, backportpackage can help though with an unofficial version to be superseded if backported in the archive
[11:08] <micahg> Rhonda: why didn't you sponsor the syncs? (syncpackage -s)
[11:08] <Rhonda> oh
[11:08] <Rhonda> erm, because I forgot about that :)
[11:09] <micahg> heh, ok :)
[11:09] <Rhonda> I would have thought that is done implied when I have the rights to
[11:09] <Rhonda> Because it does use launchpad anyway?
[11:10] <micahg> well, you have rights to upload, but -s gives whoever you pass to it the credit for the sync
[11:10] <Rhonda> ah, so -s zhench?
[11:11] <Rhonda> or rather, sargentd
[11:11] <Rhonda> will try to remember
[11:11] <micahg> yep
[11:12] <Zhenech> mh, reminds me I wanted to get ~evgeni on launchpad some time…
[11:13] <Zhenech> but that means i have to kill my ppas
[11:13] <Rhonda> cant you transition them?
[11:14] <Zhenech> creating a new user and then moving around? yeah could work
[11:14] <Zhenech> lp is able to rename users though, they just cannot have ppas
[11:14] <Rhonda> no, get the accounts merged
[11:14] <Rhonda> ah
[11:14] <Rhonda> only recently started with ppas
[11:17] <Zhenech> mh, the only really used ppa is the monkeystudio one and we could just move it to the monkeystudio group…
[12:06] <Rhonda> would make it more official looking, yes
[20:11] <dupondje> Still ok to do sync requests ?
[20:13] <Ampelbein> dupondje: Feature Freeze is on thursday, so yes.
[20:16] <dupondje> ok :) lets do some
[21:10] <broder> to be clear, FeatureFreeze doesn't mean we can't do syncs/merges anymore. it just means that either they have to only contain bugfixes (no new features) or they have to be approved by the release team (which isn't that hard, especially immediately after FF)
[21:11] <dupondje> but its better to do it asap ofc ;)
[21:12] <tumbleweed> as long as you don't break enerything, sure
[21:12] <tumbleweed> everything
[21:13] <ajmitch> 'break everything' would be starting a new major library transition this week, without serious coordination
[21:37] <dupondje> new packages also allowed? http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/daq.html
[21:37] <dupondje> would like to get the prehistoric snort gone :)
[21:41] <tumbleweed> dupondje: nothing wrong with new packages (in moderation)
[23:33] <Miker> Hello
[23:34] <Miker> Anyone there
[23:34] <bregma> no
[23:34] <Miker> Nobody is chatting so I was just wondering
[23:35] <Miker> Whats up with you Mr Webb?
[23:37] <Miker> Grammys is on tonight


[20:26] <babolat> Hi. I'd like my school to start considering using Xubuntu or Edubuntu. Considering it's a university, how do you propose I continue?


[02:19] <genii-around> Woo Tampa Bay!
[02:21]  * genii-around tunes into the Canucks game now\\
[02:27] <ball> GO CANUCKS!
[02:28] <genii-around> Vancouver-Tampa would be an interesting Cup series
[02:29] <genii-around> Gah, Preds first blood
[03:07] <genii-around> Yay, Canucks tied it up
[03:13] <ball> :-)
[04:30] <genii-around> Bleh. Tied 2-2 with 5:02 left
[04:35] <genii-around> Last minute of regulation
[04:36] <genii-around> OT
[04:38] <genii-around> Hm. Coffee or beer, coffee or beer. My eternal dilemma.
[04:42] <IdleOne> beer flavoured coffee
[04:43] <IdleOne> or
[04:43] <IdleOne> whisky flavoured coffee
[04:44] <genii-around> Hm. I have rum. So coffee it will be, and a small splash!
[04:53] <IdleOne> small splash of coffee?
[04:53] <IdleOne> :P
[04:54] <genii-around> Well, pretty much 50/50 actually
[04:54] <IdleOne> hehe
[05:01] <genii-around> Bleh this game looks like it's going to be another gruelling long OT nightmare
[05:10]  * genii-around tries to stay awake
[05:11] <genii-around> YAY CANUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:11] <genii-around> Finally ... ;)
[11:06] <s-fox> o/
[11:06] <s-fox> Hello.
[11:38] <staticsafe> morning s-fox
[11:38] <s-fox> Hello staticsafe . How are you?
[11:38] <staticsafe> s-fox: heh, a little groggy, just woke up
[11:39] <s-fox> Ah,  best get some coffee ;)
[14:43] <dscassel> Morning, folks.
[14:43] <dscassel> Open chat with sabdfl (that's Mark Shuttleworth) in #ubuntu-classroom in about 15 minutes, if you're interested.
[14:45] <BluesKaj> hi folks
[14:47] <BluesKaj> dscassel, it couold be if it wasn't for all his filter flunkies dodging most of the real questions ... mainly full of vague generalities anyway
[14:53] <BluesKaj> dscassel, so unfortunately my experience with the classroom hasn't been very positive
[14:56] <BluesKaj> but I'l try again
[15:13] <BluesKaj> dscassel,  my question is being filtered ...cannot send to channel ..heh
[15:14] <genii-around> BluesKaj: You're asking the Q in #ubuntu-classroom-chat ?
[15:14] <BluesKaj> in #ubuntu-classromm
[15:15] <BluesKaj> #ubuntu-classroom even
[15:16] <dscassel> Yeah, you need to ask questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat.
[15:16] <genii-around> Hm "rolling releases are a very interesting concept"
[15:18] <genii-around> BluesKaj: You ask questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat, prefaced with QUESTION: or Question:   and then the bot grabs them, sorts them, etc, then the person responds to the Q in #ubuntu-classroom
[15:18] <BluesKaj> that's dumb
[15:18] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Prevents the channel in which replies are being made from being spammed
[15:18] <dscassel> It would be insanity to just have everybody in the one channel.
[15:19] <dscassel> Downside of doing these things in IRC.
[15:19] <genii-around> Yup
[15:19] <dscassel> There's a tool called Lernid that's supposed to make the process easier.
[15:19] <dscassel> But I don't think it's being developed anymore.
[15:20] <BluesKaj> dscassel, well they filter a lot of questions anyway ...fewer questions are answered than asked by a large mrgin
[15:32] <bregma> when you're running a session, you get really busy
[15:32] <bregma> and really stressed
[15:33] <bregma> but when I ran a session a couple weeks ago, I got all the questions answered
[15:33] <dscassel> Mark's a bit of a special case. There's no way he could answer everything.
[15:34] <dscassel> BluesKaj: There's also things like Ubuntu Developer Week, where you can ask questions of lesser Ubuntu people.
[15:34] <dscassel> Not quite as exciting, but you probably stand a better chance of getting an aswer.
[15:35] <dscassel> I can always use help getting the word out about these things. :)
[15:36] <BluesKaj> well dscassel I asked a specific kde wifi driver/knwtwork manager question and of course it was passed over :)
[15:37] <genii-around> Thats more like a tech support Q though
[15:40] <dscassel> Yeah, Mark's a big picture kind of guy. :)
[15:41] <dscassel> Something about the status of the kubuntu project or Canonical embracing Qt would probably work better.
[16:01] <BluesKaj> yeah, vague general stuff...really, who cares ..it doesn't do anything
[16:01] <dscassel> If you want it to *do* something, participate in UDS. :)
[16:02] <BluesKaj> dscassel, sure ..asking for a kde classroom ...is that too much to ask ? :)
[16:03] <BluesKaj> ubuntu generalities doesn't do much for KDE
[16:03] <dscassel> This is a participatory, volunteer culture. If you want to see something done, the best way is to do it yourself. :)
[16:03]  * dscassel wouldn't be here otherwise...
[16:04] <BluesKaj> bah dscassel , that's a bit disingenuous , do it yourself ..c'mon now that's not a fair answer
[16:05] <dscassel> It isn't? :)
[16:05] <genii-around> dscassel: BTW, stuck an Ubuntu Canada pin on my netbook case, had already 3-4 questions about it in only a couple days
[16:05] <dscassel> That's kinda what the open source community's all about. Scratch your own itch.
[16:05] <dscassel> genii-around: Awesome. :D
[16:06] <BluesKaj> dscassel, if you have the means to scratch, yes, to follow your analogy
[16:08] <dscassel> BluesKaj: That's why Linux has always struggled to cater to non-technical users.
[16:08] <dscassel> Ubuntu's come some way in rectifying that...
[16:08] <dscassel> mostly by creating this community infrastructure.
[16:09] <dscassel> But even that takes work.  It doesn't come for free.
[16:09] <BluesKaj> all I asked for was a KDE classroom ... but gnome rules
[16:09] <dscassel> Fortunately, most people can contibute on the community side...
[16:09] <dscassel> You mean an IRC channel?
[16:10] <dscassel> Or sessions in developer week?
[16:10] <dscassel> Anybody can do classroom sessions. Although there's a limited amount of space in the designated weeks.
[16:10] <dscassel> But there's no reason someone couldn't start a Kbuntu week.
[16:11] <dscassel> And round up a bunch of smart and knowledgeable Kubuntu people to do sessions.
[16:11]  * genii-around thinks about jabbity-jabbing J Riddell
[16:11] <dscassel> Like txwikinger  :)
[16:11] <BluesKaj> dscassel, no a classroom for kde users similar to the ubuntu-classroom , that's all and we don't need mark sd , just some knowledgeable ppl to help us help
[16:11] <dscassel> You can start a new channel. That's not a big deal. But ubuntu-classroom sits idle most of the time.
[16:12] <dscassel> And there's already infrastructure to support it. So why not use that?
[16:12] <genii-around> Right now actually, the instructor for next topic in -classroom did not show. Anyone could volunteer to fill the spot with something Kubuntu related, but no one is stepping up
[16:12] <BluesKaj> NM, this is a waste of time ..
[16:21] <dscassel> BluesKaj: txwikinger is on the community council for kubuntu-de.  There are people around who can help make these things happen. But it may take more to see it happen than just float the idea, is all I'm saying.
[16:25] <BluesKaj> dscassel, yes understood , it would be beneficial to ppl like me who need technical expertise in kde rather than learning from the few volunteers who actually give of their time and knowledge in #kubuntu
[17:45] <BluesKaj> stuff to do ...BBL
[17:52] <s-fox> TTFN


[07:11] <green7> hello
[07:21] <green7> got a question
[08:42] <smartboyhw> Hi!
[11:36] <mapreri> hi, i verified the bug #1035824, can a bug control member some one (a bugcontrol member?) set it to triaged, whishlist, and add the tag needs-packaging?
[11:37]  * penguin42 looks
[11:37] <penguin42> bug 1035824
[11:37] <mapreri> umh.. ubot2 is out :/
[11:37] <penguin42> hmph
[11:37] <mapreri> * ubot2 è uscito (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
[11:38] <mapreri> ops... i'm italian, translate: "ubot2 is quit"
[11:38] <mapreri> translation*
[11:38] <penguin42> ah now hang on a sec, I normally avoid needs-packaging, let me just have a look
[11:38] <mapreri> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1035824
[11:39] <mapreri> penguin42: np
[11:40] <penguin42> mapreri: OK, that's going to take a bit of checking up - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage#Needs_Packaging_Bugs
[11:41] <mapreri> penguin42: i already read this page, but to set the importance to wishlist, and the sttus to triaged, i have to be a bugcontrol member, i'm only a bugsquad member :)
[11:42] <penguin42> mapreri: OK, so if you've verified all those things, add a comment listing each one of the checks and confirming it's not there; otherwise I'll have to do it :-)
[11:44] <mapreri> penguin42: i already checked all those things, but i didn't write a commend on the bug, have i to do it?
[11:44] <mapreri> the package needs to be packaged
[11:45] <micahg> penguin42: if it all looks ok, you can write 'setting based on verification by mapreri on IRC'
[11:46] <penguin42> micahg: Right, I just thought it best he adds a comment to say that he's checked it all
[11:46] <mapreri> micahg: penguin42: have i to write or not?
[11:47] <micahg> penguin42: that's more important for verifying a bug or SRU, these are just wishlists
[11:50] <penguin42> ok
[11:51] <mapreri> penguin42: i'm mapreri also in lp
[11:52] <penguin42> ok, thanks
[11:55] <penguin42> done
[12:05] <mapreri> penguin42: well, but.. where did you find the debian directory? yes, the file is in a position that help te packaging but i cannot find the debian dir...
[12:36] <penguin42> mapreri: https://github.com/communi/communi/tree/master/qtc_packaging/debian_harmattan   I think the harmattan stuff is a bit different, but I don't know much about it, but it sure looks like a normalish control/rules setup
[12:37] <mapreri> penguin42: oh, you right!
[12:38] <penguin42> mapreri: And if you look at the github id of the guy who committed them it's the same as the lp id of the reporter
[12:38] <smartboyhw> Hi!
[12:38] <mapreri> penguin42: yep, i already noted that
[12:39] <mapreri> smartboyhw: hi :)
[13:48] <Chauncellor> Hi! bug 915165. I think that this might be Ubuntu's implementation of GTK, not the fault of GTK itself. Should I still file upstream?
[13:49] <Chauncellor> oh? Where's ubottu?
[13:49] <Chauncellor> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/915165
[13:49] <smartboyhw> Bug 915165
[13:51] <penguin42> Chauncellor: If you think it's likely ubuntu specific, then don't upstream
[13:52] <Chauncellor> penguin42, do canonical devs monitor GTK+3 (ubuntu)? I'm afraid it will fester into oblivion.
[13:53] <penguin42> Chauncellor: Well, it's marked as High and confirmed, and it's got a lot of dupes
[13:53] <Asad2005> I am having frequent freez no mouse no KB. Can someone help me troubleshoot
[13:53] <Chauncellor> penguin42, yeah, I just did all that >.>
[13:54] <penguin42> Chauncellor: is it only transmission it's showing in?
[13:54] <Chauncellor> penguin42, no, it's also with gnome-screenshot
[13:54] <Asad2005> 3.2.0-29-generic #46-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jul 27 17:03:23 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[13:54] <Chauncellor> and also other programs here and there
[13:54] <Chauncellor> but those two are pretty much 100%
[13:55] <penguin42> Chauncellor: What makes you suspicious it's the Ubuntu gtk? Have you tried with the overlay scrollbars disabled?
[13:56] <Chauncellor> penguin42, I don't think the scrollbars have anything to do with it. Did you take a look at the video?
[13:57] <penguin42> Chauncellor: Oh, just watched it - that is annoying
[13:58] <Chauncellor> penguin42, I'll just let it lie for a bit, I imagine someone will come after it
[13:58] <Chauncellor> thanks for the help!
[13:58] <penguin42> Chauncellor: What makes you think it's ubuntu specific?
[13:58] <Chauncellor> penguin42, I don't believe I could reproduce it in gnome-shell
[13:59] <Chauncellor> and doesn't unity have some strange mashup of GTK libs?
[13:59] <Chauncellor> I'm unsure about it
[13:59] <Chauncellor> I usually manage compiz bugs, not GTK :P
[13:59] <penguin42> Chauncellor: I'm not too sure about Unity; but I didn't think there was anything too special with popup menus like that
[14:00] <Chauncellor> Asad2005, you should probably hop on over to #ubuntu for support
[14:00] <Chauncellor> penguin42, hm, I guess I could always file an upstream report - worst case scenario it gets closed.
[14:01] <penguin42> Chauncellor: Try recreating in a debian vm?
[14:01] <Asad2005> i did nobody is giving attention there its too busy a channel i think
[14:01] <Chauncellor> penguin42, woof, I guess that might be the way I have to go
[14:01] <Chauncellor> Asad2005, unfortunately, this really isn't the support channel, #ubuntu is. Go ahead and PM me and I'll see what I can do to help
[14:02] <Asad2005> dont really know hw to PM i am using irssi
[14:03] <Chauncellor> sent you one
[14:53] <Chauncellor> jbicha, ......
[19:14] <penguin42> micahg: on bug 505857 you added a note that says please leave this private until the retracer is done - that was 2.5 years ago
[19:15] <lifeless> penguin42: is the retracer done?
[19:15] <penguin42> lifeless: hmm, yes I think so - it removed that tag 6 months later
[19:16] <micahg> penguin42: heh, it never updated, but it's irrelevant now, so removing the core dump
[19:16] <penguin42> looks like it was the xine plugin taking it down, although what it was doing on simple things like gmail I don't know
[19:19] <micahg> yeah, that part may or may not be relevant though anymore, Firefox has changed quite a bit
[19:19]  * micahg made it public
[19:19] <penguin42> yeh


[00:42] <Pelo> ok swat,  it was just a bit busy in there and I don'T have the patience tonight
[00:42] <swatTX> it was busy indeed
[00:42] <Pelo> swatTX, is there suppose to be anyting on your hdd or is it supposed to be clean
[00:43] <swatTX> Pelo, there is suppose to be something there but I'm assuimng (since GParted showed all unallocated) everything was lost somehow.
[00:43] <Pelo> swatTX, what was supposed to be there ?
[00:44] <swatTX> Pelo, my previous install
[00:44] <Pelo> swatTX, of ?
[00:44] <swatTX> Pelo, Ubuntu gusty gibbon
[00:45] <Pelo> swatTX, was that one a fresh install that went wrong or one that you had used a while with important data ?
[00:46] <swatTX> Pelo, I've had it for about a month nothing too important which is why i was gonna just fresh install again but am getting errors now
[00:46] <Pelo> ok
[00:46] <Pelo> go back to the live cd desktop , we are not going to do this from the installer
[00:47] <swatTX> Pelo, ok just exited the installer and am sitting at the live cd desktop
[00:47] <Pelo> ok
[00:47] <Pelo> open the gnome partiton editor from the admin menu
[00:47] <swatTX> ok GParted is loaded
[00:48] <Pelo> will there be anyting else on that hdd or just gutsy ?
[00:48] <swatTX> just gutsy
[00:48] <Pelo> ok now for that next bit you will need to fiigure it out on your own cause I don'T have gparted installed, and I can't check,  it's in french anyway so the translation migth be off
[00:49] <swatTX> ok
[00:49] <Pelo> check in the gparted menues for   make a new lable or something similar
[00:49] <Pelo> label
[00:49] <swatTX> Partition -> New ?
[00:50] <Pelo> swatTX,  not , new label,  we are starting from the very very bottom
[00:50] <swatTX> there is also set disklabel
[00:50] <Pelo> thats, the one
[00:50] <Pelo> msdos or something similar
[00:50] <Pelo> that will basicaly revirginise your hdd
[00:51] <swatTX> wow, 'Error while setting new disklabel'
[00:51] <Pelo> swatTX, interesting
[00:52] <Pelo> swatTX, ok there is the possibility that there is someting wrong with your hdd
[00:52] <Pelo> swatTX, how old is it ?
[00:52] <swatTX> Pelo, a few years.
[00:52] <swatTX> Pelo, now there's a crash report detected
[00:52] <Pelo> swatTX, well assuming it is less the 5 this shouldn'T happen
[00:53] <Pelo> swatTX,can you read the report ?
[00:53] <swatTX> Pelo, it was from GParted crashing... it's just asking me if i wanna restart the program
[00:53] <Pelo> swatTX, do this,  shut down the computer,  wait a couple of minutes ,  boot the live cd back up and come back here
[00:54] <swatTX> Pelo, ok
[00:54] <Pelo> I'll wait for you
[00:54] <swatTX> Pelo, shutting down now. thanks btw
[00:54] <Pelo> np
[00:55] <Pelo> swatTX,  is this another pc you are installing on ?
[00:56] <swatTX> Pelo, yea an old laptop
[00:56] <Pelo> ah, this explains why you can shut down and not leave
[00:56] <swatTX> Pelo, seems like whenever i try to install anything from the default i always endup at that initramfs screen
[00:57]  * Pelo needs to get himself one of them old laptops
[00:57] <swatTX> Pelo, (booting back up now to the live CD)
[00:57] <Pelo> swatTX, beleive it or not , I am not 1337 enough to know what an initramfs is
[00:58]  * Pelo just figured out what init RAM File system means
[00:58] <swatTX> Pelo, me either... from what i can tell it's a shell that you get dropped into when something system critical is wrong.. i can just never get around it and usually end up doing a fresh install
[00:58] <Pelo> swatTX, when you get to the desktop go straight in to gparted,  no messing with the installer
[00:58] <swatTX> Pelo, gotcha
[00:59] <Pelo> swatTX, have you considered using the alternate install cd,  it is text based and is usualy easier on system resources during the install
[01:00] <swatTX> Pelo, I'm not sure i have a problem with system resources.. everything works great default. I haven't tried the alternate install cd though.
[01:01] <Pelo> the live cd uses part of the RAM as a virtual drive so it can run the lice cd desktop , it's a bit more demanding, it's also fussier about hardware for some reason
[01:01] <Pelo> anyway,  are you in gparted yet ?
[01:01] <swatTX> it's loading GParted now. just try the disklabel again?
[01:02] <Pelo> not quite yet
[01:02] <Pelo> anyting showing on the hdd ?
[01:02] <Pelo> any partions or stuff ?
[01:02] <swatTX> nope. still 74.56GiB unallocated
[01:02] <Pelo> ok  disklabel then
[01:03] <Pelo> you'll need to pick the msdos thingy in disklable when asked
[01:05] <swatTX> GParted crashed again
[01:05] <Pelo> hmmm
[01:06] <Pelo> ok restart gparted, and go straight to making a new partiton  5-10 gig ext3 for /
[01:06] <Pelo> and apply right away
[01:07] <swatTX> not sure what's going on. i went to Partition -> New and it took me to the disklabel screen again and then crashed
[01:08] <Pelo> ok restart the comp and head into the bios, see if you have the option to low format your hdd anywhre in there
[01:09] <swatTX> restarting now
[01:09] <swatTX> in BIOS but dont see any formating options
[01:10] <Pelo> ok here is what I can suggest at this point
[01:10] <Pelo> you can try getting the gparted live cd online and boot from that , see if you can partition your hdd properly from that ,
[01:10] <Pelo> or you can take yoru comp in to have it check by a pro
[01:11] <Pelo> there isn't anything more that I know to do to help you out online
[01:11] <swatTX> thanks for trying....
[01:11] <swatTX> its probably a bad HD
[01:11]  * Pelo feels like a failuer
[01:12] <Pelo> that would be my guess
[01:12] <Pelo> best of luck , I'm heading off, work early tomorry
[01:12] <Pelo> tomorrow
[01:12] <Pelo> damit
[01:12] <Pelo> g'night
[01:12] <swatTX> g'night. thanks again


[00:34] <ojwb> ibeardslee: I can assure HP that I won't
[00:34] <ojwb> but I doubt I'd buy it at all
[00:37] <ojwb> snail: xxd is good for a quick peer from the command line
[00:37] <ojwb> or if it's mostly text with a few control characters: cat -vet
[00:38] <ojwb> which still has to be my favourite option combination
[01:26] <chilts> I never knew about those, but likely 'coz I've never needed them
[01:26] <ojwb> lucky you
[01:26] <chilts> it seems -e and -t imply -v (but that would screw up your option combination)
[01:26] <chilts> :)
[01:27] <ojwb> yes, it is slightly redundant
[01:28] <chilts> but definitely easier to remember
[05:28] <hads> ibeardslee: When was your birthday?
[12:06] <DoeNietWil> Hello Ubuntu user, I came to this irc to ask you a question. We are trying to release a new version of OpenTeacher, and because it is a tool that is very language specific I was wondering if any of you would like to take a couple of minutes and translate it. It really isn't that much work but it would help us a lot. https://translations.launchpad.net/openteacher
[13:18] <DoeNietWil> if you have questions about the project or the translation please go to http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=openteacher
[19:47] <snail> mōrena koutou
[19:49] <snail> DoeNietWil: can i suggest that when you SPAM you use a url that takes us to a page that actually says what the project does? because that url certainly doesn't!
[19:49] <DoeNietWil> it wasn't meant to be spam, more like asking for help
[19:50] <DoeNietWil> but if you want openteacher.org has good information about it
[19:52] <snail> DoeNietWil: are you involved in openteacher?
[19:52] <DoeNietWil> only helping them i'm not a dev myself
[19:53] <snail> DoeNietWil: does it support TEI / freedict?
[19:54] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:54] <DoeNietWil> it could easily if you file a blueprint
[19:55] <ibeardslee> hads: Monday last week
[19:55] <DoeNietWil> the devs are very open to the needs of people
[20:18] <snail> DoeNietWil: the devs have some interesting attitudes. i wish them luck.
[20:18] <DoeNietWil> you mean they are rude?
[20:20] <snail> DoeNietWil: in the geek world rudeness is unfortunately too common to count as interesting
[20:20] <DoeNietWil> i think they really don't mean to be rude, maybe because of the language gaps there is some sort of miscommunication?
[20:22] <DoeNietWil> I've experienced that they were infact very kind people to me, i first thought it was a dictionary but they later explained why it wasn't
[20:26] <DoeNietWil> snail could you explain me what went wrong?
[20:28] <snail> DoeNietWil: I'm not going to engage in he-said she-said, since that's unlikely to be constructive; i was a little surprised that you weren't in the channel though, given that you're promoting it.
[20:30] <DoeNietWil> from what i read from the logs it seems as if you miscommunicated
[20:34] <ajmitch> morning
[20:34] <DoeNietWil> i suggest you read it slowly and try to understand what they mean, i see no way that they have an intention to be rude to you
[20:34] <DoeNietWil> snail
[20:36] <snail> DoeNietWil: they weren't rude to me...
[20:37] <DoeNietWil> then what is this attitude you speak off?
[20:43] <snail> DoeNietWil: I think my last comment says all that needs be said
[20:46] <DoeNietWil> well, you could always make a blueprint, they have multiple devs and chances are others WILL see the importance
[20:50] <ajmitch> that was interesting
[20:51]  * ibeardslee is a fraction disappointed, was wondering if I would hear snail explode from here
[20:51] <ajmitch> it seems like we only got half the conversation though
[20:53] <snail> my best guess is that a handful of school kids working on a software project. their use case appears to be 'learn the numbers from 1 to 10 in any language.'
[20:53] <snail> the appear to have no idea how dictionaries or linguistics might relate to this
[20:54] <snail> or that it might have been done before
[20:55] <snail> in their favour, they were polite and helpful and not obviously Norwegian mass-murderers
[20:55] <snail> i shouldn't have said that
[21:12] <snail> I'm hoping that fairfax's current issues aren't related to anyone we know?
[21:13] <chilts> morning
[21:14] <ibeardslee> not that I am aware of
[21:16] <ajmitch> a bit embarassing for a newspaper
[21:28] <thumper> morning


[04:50] <superm1> i seem to recall hearing that launchpad would be growing some sort of feature to allow people with the correct ACL's to sync packages without archive admin intervention.  am i recalling correctly?
[04:59] <wgrant> superm1: Correct. It's nearly there. We expect to open it up to an initial set of testers in two or so weeks, and from there we'll see how it goes.
[05:00] <superm1> wgrant, ah cool, great to hear, particularly with how large that sync queue is looking :)
[05:05] <wgrant> superm1: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+localpackagediffs will soon have checkboxes with a sync button at the bottom.
[07:36] <tansell-laptop> how does Dependency wait work in PPA?
[07:37] <X3lectric> it waits until you add the required dependecy so packages that depends will be able to be rebuilt
[07:38] <X3lectric> you backporting stuff?
[07:38] <X3lectric> if so it may be a big endless list
[07:39] <aminpy> http://dpaste.com/575126/plain/ <- can anybody help me?
[08:02] <tansell-laptop> X3lectric, the dependecy is there it just hasn't finished building yet
[08:03] <X3lectric> well it has to build then the main packge that depends on it can be retried
[08:04] <tansell-laptop> do you have to manually retry it or will it automatically retry?
[08:04] <X3lectric> if its not built it doesnt exist
[08:04] <X3lectric> i cant remeber
[08:04] <X3lectric> i think its manual retry but may be very well automatic
[08:04] <X3lectric> youll find out
[08:04] <X3lectric> its been a while since I backported anything
[08:05] <tansell-laptop> guess I will
[08:05] <X3lectric> not that Im an expert
[08:05] <X3lectric> i just made a classic noob mistake with the 275.21 drivers
[08:08] <X3lectric> when packaging tem I downloaded both 86_64 and forgot that the 86 is required
[08:08] <X3lectric> stupid
[08:08] <X3lectric> but eh havent been able tosleep all night
[08:10] <X3lectric> eh I though they would have fixed the ftp upload by now have to use slow stupid sftp
[09:43] <matrixiumn> is there any way i can download ban tracker without using bizarr
[11:43] <tansell-laptop> X3lectric, looks like it retries
[16:12] <svenskmand> Ok I have a problem I have successfully uploaded a package to my ppa, but I then get this rejection email: Rejected: File opendungeons_0.4.8-1.debian.tar.gz already exists in Open Dungeons, but uploaded version has different contents. See more information about this error in https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/UploadErrors. Files specified in DSC are broken or missing, skipping package unpack verification.
[16:12] <svenskmand> What should I do?
[16:14] <maxb> You should never attempt to upload changed content without changing the version number.
[19:51] <ripps> Something seems to be wrong with a pacakge I have set to autobuild. https://launchpadlibrarian.net/75813821/buildlog.txt.gz
[19:51] <ripps> I get the same thing with all versions of the build for lucid to oneiric
[21:57] <kroq-gar78> Hello all. I'm trying to build a game of mine - just a simple one - but I keep getting errors when I build on launchpad. It has some problem with ca-certificates-java. For some reason, it can't configure it when Launchpad tries to build my game. Here is the link to the build log: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/75838379/buildlog.txt.gz
[22:14] <kroq-gar78> Hello all. I'm trying to build a game of mine - just a simple one - but I keep getting errors when I build on launchpad. It has some problem with ca-certificates-java. For some reason, it can't configure it when Launchpad tries to build my game. Here is the link to the build log: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/75838379/buildlog.txt.gz
[22:50] <kroq-gar78> Hello all. I'm trying to build a game of mine - just a simple one - but I keep getting errors when I build on launchpad. It has some problem with ca-certificates-java. For some reason, it can't configure it when Launchpad tries to build my game. Here is the link to the build log: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/75838379/buildlog.txt.gz
[22:52] <Python> hi


[07:49] <studio-user258> hi, ihave a usb audiobox usb, it's compatible with this realase?
[07:49] <studio-user258> presonus!!
[07:49] <studio-user258> sorry
[08:09] <__raven_> hi
[08:09] <__raven_> i am looking for an audio processing tool similar to auphonic.com for local use - any ideas?
[11:58] <end117> Hi
[12:00] <end117> it's my first time here, i dont' know how it works
[12:01] <end117> I have a problem whit my new pci firewire card connected to an saffire pro24 dsp
[12:02] <end117> and i'm looking for someone who can help me
[13:15] <alexandre_> hi all, anyone could tell me how to extract audio cd and which log to use (with ubuntustudio distrib) ? THX !
[20:17] <__raven_> i am looking for an audio processing tool similar to auphonic.com for local use - any ideas?
[21:24] <holstein> __raven_: what are you trying to do?
[21:26] <__raven_> holstein: automatically kind desaster reduction for people who do not know about dynamics...
[21:26] <holstein> there are many limiters
[21:26] <holstein> you could use "normalization" in audacity
[21:27] <__raven_> i need an automation
[21:27] <__raven_> anything like freelcs with custom plugins
[21:27] <holstein> __raven_: use a plugin and automate it
[21:27] <__raven_> excellent suggestion...
[22:19] <gilmar> hi, I have some questions about video editing
[22:20] <basketball> shoot
[22:24] <gilmar> I want to migrate completely from windows to ubuntu studio, there is no way of exporting high quality videos without paying. I've tried lightworks and besides crashing, it doesn't export hq videos freewarely.... is there any software I can use for this in linux? Which program has the best exports?
[22:32] <GridCube> gilmar, sorry if im being ignorant here, but, why do you need to export the videos? can't you just use the same raw sources?
[22:35] <gilmar> I mean exporting as my last step
[22:35] <gilmar> I wanna have nice blu rays or dvds
[22:36] <gilmar> And adobe won't accept my foreign credit card
[22:38] <gilmar> Indie Film makers from my country reinstall windows monthly
[22:46] <gilmar> How do I reach the developers of a program like for funding etc?


[02:58] <sergio-br2> the package compiled, but I got a "failed to build", what's happening here?
[02:58] <sergio-br2> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/218147312/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-amd64.libretro-mgba_0.3.0%2Br18~14~ubuntu14.04.1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[02:58] <sergio-br2> the recipe: https://code.launchpad.net/~libretro/+recipe/mgba-libretro-daily
[03:02] <sergio-br2> ok, found it
[03:02] <sergio-br2> "https://launchpadlibrarian.net/218147312/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-amd64.libretro-mgba_0.3.0%2Br18~14~ubuntu14.04.1_BUILDING.txt.gz"
[03:02] <sergio-br2> ops
[03:02] <sergio-br2> Since use of implicitly converted pointers is always fatal to the application
[03:02] <sergio-br2> on ia64, they are errors.  Please correct them for your next upload.
[14:54] <banix> had a question about searching bugs in launchpad. Is there a way to look for bugs submitted from a certain organization? I tried using partial email addresss as the submitter in advanced search (for example ibm.com) but that does not work. Any way to do this?
[15:23] <cjwatson> banix: I'm afraid not, and I suspect it wouldn't be a very useful view as people from a given organisation are often working on various projects.  It's probably better to use tags, or perhaps additional project-tracking bug tasks.
[15:26] <rbasak> In the special case of IBM, there seems to be some kind of bridge that they use so all bugs I deal with from IBM are submitted by the "bugproxy" user.
[15:26] <banix> cjwatson: thanks for your answer. I use launchpad in OpenStack and was wondering if I could simply track what a group of people (say from my company) were working on rather than creating another system to do that. Any good way of doing such a thing? Any suggestions/pointers is appreciated.
[15:26] <rbasak> That might just be a specific team within IBM though.
[15:27] <cjwatson> We wouldn't do matching on e-mail address.  In principle it might be possible to search for all bugs reported by members of a particular team, although that isn't supported today and we'd have to look at whether it's possible to make that perform well.
[15:27] <cjwatson> I suspect the query would be fairly terrifying ...
[15:28] <cjwatson> rbasak: I believe that's for certain porting projects, not OpenStack.
[15:30] <banix> cjwatson: rbasak so are there other tools that can help me? in case you are aware of any. Just don’t want to create a new process or a huge overhead for people who file bugs and work on them while I can get a view of what is being worked on, etc….
[15:31] <rbasak> You could write a bot that looks up by specific individual submitters and adds a common tag maybe?
[15:31] <cjwatson> Anything for this type of work will require some assembly on your side.
[15:32] <banix> cjwatson: yes using a particular team would be helpful but i can imagin how big a querry that would lead to if there are many members of the greoup (assuming the querries will be based on individual members)
[15:32] <cjwatson> If it's an ongoing thing, you could write a launchpadlib script to search for tasks in various project (or a project group perhaps?) and return bugs with particular reporters.
[15:33] <banix> cool, will look for info on writing a launchpadlib script
[15:46] <karni> cjwatson: wgrant: Hi folks. Should I be able to see launchpad.net/projectname/+admin if I'm the project owner, or is this page (with project name and page aliases) visible to launchpad staff only?
[15:48] <cjwatson> karni: +admin is generally staff only.
[15:49] <karni> cjwatson: ok, makes sense. is there any way an owner can change project name (url) without contacting staff? (it's okay if the answer's 'No', I just want to know.)
[15:49] <cjwatson> karni: Afraid not.  https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad is the way to request that kind of thing
[15:50] <cjwatson> It's quick for us to do
[15:50] <cjwatson> (And let us know whether you need a redirect left behind)
[15:50] <karni> cjwatson: roger, thank you!
[15:56] <mapreri> cjwatson: can you also delete a project?  ages ago i registered one while thinking i'd have started a thing, but in the end i did nothing.. i'd prefer to free up the name and everything
[16:09] <cjwatson> mapreri: Yes, same URL
[16:09] <mapreri> cool
[16:10]  * mapreri never bother about it, dunno how it popped in my mind now
[17:04] <mapreri> ah, so the bottom "this solved my problem" triggers a reply with thanks, clever :P
[17:47] <dobey> omg this is awful
[17:47] <dobey> (the library licensing thing)
[17:48] <teward> dobey: ? (curiousity has piqued)
[17:48] <dobey> oh wrong channel, doh
[17:49] <teward> dobey: IRC will do that to you :)
[20:32] <pgquiles> how come launchpad.distributions["ubuntu"].searchTasks() works (many results) but the more-specific launchpad.distributions["ubuntu"].getSeries(name_or_version="vivid").searchTasks() does not?(it produces zero results) Am I doing something wrong?
[20:38] <dobey> there are no tasks targeted to vivid that match what you are searching for?
[21:08] <pgquiles> dobey: I'm searching with no parameters (i. e. I'm not limiting results to something more specific). Also, the same happens with other distro series (precise, lucid, etc).
[21:31] <wgrant> pgquiles: You always need to pass omit_targeted=False when searching for tasks in a series. It's a bit of a weird API wart.
[22:00] <pgquiles> wgrant: thanks!


[04:23] <mwhudson> sigh
[04:23] <mwhudson> anyone want to review a branch?
[04:51] <mwhudson> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mwhudson/launchpad/puller-import-hack/+merge/23370
[10:11] <jml> hi
[10:11] <jml> would someone please review https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jml/launchpad/extract-ssh-server/+merge/23350
[10:12] <jml> it's a small patch that shouldn't change any behaviour
[11:50] <maxb> I would like to submit this rather boring and small branch for review: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~maxb/launchpad-cscvs/use-hashlib
[12:57] <danilos> allenap, hi, got a review ready for you :) https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~danilo/launchpad/bug-562450/+merge/23383 (diff is being regenerated)
[13:09] <henninge> danilos: I will take a break now. I am not sure I will make the call on time, so don't wait for me. Sorry.
[13:53] <intellectronica> allenap: interested in a branch for review?
[13:54] <intellectronica> oh wow, your queue is long
[13:54] <intellectronica> maybe we can find another kind soul
[13:54] <deryck> intellectronica, I have something for review, too.  I could swap you.
[13:55] <intellectronica> deryck: excellent. just creating an mp. send me yours
[13:55] <deryck> intellectronica, thanks!  https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~deryck/launchpad/bug-count-filters-503222/+merge/23386
[13:55] <deryck> intellectronica, it will need UI review, too.  If you want to do both.  But I'm making screenshots now for the UI.
[13:56] <intellectronica> deryck: sure, i'll do the ui review (with sinzui mentoring)
[13:57] <wgrant> Two of the branches are trivial, though...
[14:00] <jml> I've just reviewed & approved maxb's branch
[14:01] <maxb> and ec2ed? :-)
[14:01] <jml> maxb: not yet. anyway, I think launchpad-cscvs is a pqm-tested branch
[14:01] <maxb> oh, sorry
[14:01] <maxb> pqm-submitted, then
[14:02]  * maxb notes that the cscvs tests don't actually _pass_ anyway
[14:02] <jml> really?
[14:02] <intellectronica> deryck: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~intellectronica/launchpad/bug-544794/+merge/23389
[14:02] <maxb> I verified my changes didn't make them fail any worse
[14:03] <jml> groan
[14:03] <jml> it's not in 2a format
[14:03] <deryck> intellectronica, got it.  thanks.
[14:04] <intellectronica> deryck: in the template, why do you need to protect against inprogress_bug_count not existing?
[14:04] <intellectronica> and does it behave correctly in case of 0?
[14:05] <deryck> intellectronica, this was the form kfogel used because somewhere this template is used where those names don't exist, IIRC.  and yeah, it does work right for 0.
[14:05] <deryck> intellectronica, so basically I'm following all the other filters there.
[14:05] <intellectronica> deryck: cool. r=me for the code, then.
[14:05] <deryck> kfogel heard us talking about him, it seems :-)
[14:05] <deryck> intellectronica, thanks!
[14:06] <kfogel> deryck: that was coincidence -- my client was off until a second ago.
[14:06] <kfogel> deryck: what's up?
[14:07] <intellectronica> deryck: invite me for a ui review when you're ready with that
[14:07] <jml> ffs
[14:07] <deryck> kfogel, nothing, just kidding.  intellectronica had asked about why I did something, and I said "copying kfogel." :-)
[14:08] <intellectronica> kfogel: it's easy to be a victim in the blame game when your irc client is off ;)
[14:09] <deryck> intellectronica, screenie is up.  I can't request you as a UI reviewer.  It changes the current review from code to ui if I do.
[14:09] <intellectronica> deryck: i'm not sure about the wording of "N In-progress bugs"
[14:10] <intellectronica> ot1h it fits the template of all other lines, otoh it reads a bit funny
[14:10] <deryck> intellectronica, ok.  any suggestions?
[14:11] <intellectronica> "N bugs in progress" is the obvious alternative, but I don't know if it's actually better
[14:13] <intellectronica> deryck: let's leave it like that. changing the order will just make it harder to read.
[14:13] <intellectronica> deryck: ui=me*
[14:13] <intellectronica> sinzui: would you like to take a look? ^^^^^
[14:13] <deryck> intellectronica, thanks.
[14:13] <sinzui> intellectronica, I can in a short while
[14:15] <deryck> intellectronica, concerning your MP.... does the change from security_related to setSecurityRelated have any impact on the js widget for security setting?
[14:17] <intellectronica> deryck: no, that's handled by the mutator in the api
[14:17] <intellectronica> it's only necessary to adjust the callsites internally
[14:18] <deryck> intellectronica, so if someone changes the security from the web ui, this method will be called and heat will change?
[14:18] <deryck> ah, I see now.  sorry for dumbness.
[14:18] <intellectronica> deryck: yes, just like with bug.private, if you set bug.security_related from the api, bug.setSecurityRelated will be called
[14:19] <intellectronica> that's what the @mutator_for decorator in the interface does
[14:19] <deryck> intellectronica, I see now.  Sorry for being dumb.  I had never paid attention to or used mutator_for decorator myself.
[14:19] <deryck> that's handy
[14:19] <jml> maxb: done, I think.
[14:20] <jml> would someone please review https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jml/launchpad/extract-ssh-server/+merge/23350
[14:20] <maxb> jml: Excellent, thanks
[14:20] <intellectronica> deryck: yes, would be even nicer if we could use something like that internally. i tried using property(), but it became quite awkward quickly, so i figured adjusting the existing call sites is better
[14:21] <jml> maxb: my pleasure
[14:21] <deryck> intellectronica, yup.  looks good to me.  r=me.
[14:21] <intellectronica> deryck: thanks!
[15:19] <maxb> Could someone r or rs this as appropriate? It's purely a sourcedep revno bump. https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~maxb/launchpad/use-cscvs-r432/+merge/23395
[15:28] <maxb> Thanks noodles775.  It is applicable to https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-foundations/+bug/562828 (which is a trivial fix with Python 2.6)
[15:35] <mup> Bug #562828: Librarian garbage collector does not cope with symlinks <Launchpad Foundations:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/562828>
[15:36] <wgrant> Not pre-Lucid, since we don't have 2.6 on Hardy.
[15:36] <wgrant> But it's not far.
[15:37] <sinzui> deryck, did my suggestion terrify you?
[15:37] <deryck> sinzui, haven't looked yet, sorry.  let me look....
[15:39] <deryck> sinzui, I like your suggestion and am fine to do that.
[15:49] <daniloff> allenap, hi, did you get any chance to restart reviewing?
[15:50] <allenap> daniloff: Erm, not yet; very busy :) I'll get to it as soon as I can. Edwin normally starts sometime soon too.
[15:50] <daniloff> allenap, cool, thanks; EdwinGrubbs, I'll be getting some food, but should be around later as well for some real OCRing :)
[15:51] <EdwinGrubbs> daniloff: I'll be able to start on that in a few minutes.
[15:56] <abentley> allenap, EdwinGrubbs could you please review https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~abentley/launchpad/recipe-security/+merge/23357 ?
[15:58] <allenap> (He asked me a while back, sorry, forgot to update the topic.)
[16:09] <EdwinGrubbs> abentley: sure
[16:09] <abentley> EdwinGrubbs, thanks.
[16:18] <allenap> adeuring: Is there going to be another branch (or two) to add a date_expired field to IBugTask?
[16:19] <adeuring> allenap: argh... i forgot completely about that...
[16:19] <adeuring> yes, there _should_ be a branch...
[16:20] <allenap> adeuring: I think the bug number in the branch name is wrong.
[16:22] <adeuring> allenap: right...
[16:24] <allenap> adeuring: Line 75, could you login(product_owner) to avoid the removeSecurityProxy() call?
[16:25] <allenap> adeuring: Or even login_person(product_owner)
[16:26] <adeuring> allenap: in theory, yes.  Leave it then :)
[16:26] <adeuring> allenap: OK ;)
[16:29] <allenap> adeuring: Perhaps the removeSecurityProxy() hack could be put in LaunchpadObjectFactory.makeProduct(..., bug_supervisor=None).
[16:29] <adeuring> allenap: right, good idea!
[16:30] <leonardr> allenap, edwin: pushing https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~leonardr/lazr.restful/561521/+merge/23404 onto the queue
[16:35] <allenap> adeuring: Line 124, the bug supervisor or the product owner should be able to call transitionToStatus(), so consider using that rather than removing the proxy.
[16:36] <adeuring> allenap: right
[16:37] <allenap> adeuring: 136s/Epired/Expired/
[16:37] <adeuring> allenap: fixed
[16:39] <allenap> adeuring: One last thing. There's probably some doc test out there that does a similar thing to TestBugTaskEditViewStatusField. If you know where, consider removing it.
[16:40] <adeuring> allenap: I did not find anything like that...
[16:40] <adeuring> that's why I added it ;)
[16:40] <allenap> adeuring: Heh :)
[16:53] <allenap> wgrant: Want me to land lp:~wgrant/launchpad/always-use-sourcepackagename.name for you?
[16:56] <allenap> wgrant: I've sent it off to land via ec2.
[17:15] <allenap> sinzui: In http://people.canonical.com/~curtis/project-without-package-suggestions.png it might work even better if no radio buttons (or the title) appeared, just the button.
[17:16] <sinzui> allenap, there will also be an option to say it is not packaged.
[17:16] <sinzui> allenap, The previous UI proposal did have button...
[17:17] <allenap> sinzui: Okay. Also, can_show_portlet() can return True if there are sourcepackages even when user is None. Is that right?
[17:18] <sinzui> Correct, that is what you see now...https://edge.launchpad.net/gedit
[17:18] <sinzui> The feature we are refining suggests packages when we do not know about them
[17:19] <sinzui> There can be a list like this: https://edge.launchpad.net/gdp
[17:20] <sinzui> allenap, https://edge.launchpad.net/gedit-class-browser shows just the link to choose another package, but the correct answer is Not packaged.
[17:21] <sinzui> allenap, The UI to support a list or packages, choose another package, or not packaged became very complicated and abentley, james_w, bac, and I agreed that we should try a single list and button
[17:22] <allenap> sinzui: Okay, that makes sense, thanks.
[17:22]  * sinzui has to rethink the model to support Not Packaged
[17:25] <allenap> sinzui: Line 43 in the diff, is it safe to use 'OTHER_PACKAGE' because package.name can never be upper-case? If so, can you add a tiny comment to explain.
[17:25] <sinzui> hmm
[17:26] <sinzui> You are correct, but I think I got lucky in my name. I did not think about it
[17:26] <james_w> name can never have an underscore
[17:27] <sinzui> allenap, I was cargo culting a style I have reviewed in the past when Object() was used to create a unique and use all-caps to define the field name
[17:28] <sinzui> james_w, you meana source package name cannot contain underscores?
[17:29] <james_w> correct
[17:29] <james_w> for Debian/Ubuntu at least
[17:29] <james_w> "Package names (both source and binary, see Package, Section 5.6.7) must consist only of lower case letters (a-z), digits (0-9), plus (+) and minus (-) signs, and periods (.). They must be at least two characters long and must start with an alphanumeric character."
[17:30] <sinzui> ah yes, I recall someone wanted to create a gentoo package with an '/' in it
[17:31] <sinzui> That was a crucial moment where is it was clear that  launchpad cannot support other distros, so should stop pretending that it does
[17:52] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs, rockstar: can either you you comment on the UI of my branch https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~sinzui/launchpad/project-packages-portlet-ui/+merge/23360
[17:53] <rockstar> sinzui, looking
[17:54] <rockstar> sinzui, that's pretty straightforward.  How many package suggestions can a project have?
[17:54] <sinzui> That's a good question. that I do not know the answer to
[17:55] <sinzui> I would say too much because I think I have seen 10 and I tuned out
[17:55] <sinzui> rockstar, 20
[17:56] <sinzui> rockstar, the number and test are easy to adjust
[17:56] <rockstar> sinzui, I fear what it might look like with 10 different suggestions.
[17:56]  * sinzui think 10 is the limit
[17:57] <sinzui> rockstar, no need to speculate: https://edge.launchpad.net/launchpad
[17:58] <sinzui> We will alway have to an option to choose another package, or say it is not packaged. I think 8 is the most we should suggest
[18:02] <rockstar> sinzui, I agree.  Is there code to limit the suggestions currently?
[18:02] <sinzui> yes, 20. The value and test are trivial fixes I can do now
[18:02]  * sinzui has them open
[18:06] <EdwinGrubbs> abentley: r=me
[18:14] <rockstar> sinzui, great.  With those changes, ui=me*
[18:15] <sinzui> rockstar, thanks. tests pass after the change
[18:15] <rockstar> sinzui, noodles still has to mentor me.
[18:16]  * rockstar dreams of a day where he can be trusted to do UI reviews all by himself
[18:16] <rockstar> Also, Launchpad just shit the bed for me.
[18:18] <deryck> sinzui, this kind of thing:  https://devpad.canonical.com/~deryck/filters-split-up.png   Or actual new portlets each in their own border outline?
[18:19] <sinzui> deryck, that looks great
[18:19] <deryck> sinzui, cool, thanks.
[18:20] <sinzui> I think borders would make me think too much about the filters. your pictures is good to land
[18:29] <abentley> EdwinGrubbs, thanks.
[18:58] <abentley> EdwinGrubbs, could you please review https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~abentley/launchpad/revert-enums/+merge/23416 ?
[19:21] <EdwinGrubbs> abentley: I can do that after lunch
[19:21] <abentley> EdwinGrubbs, thanks.
[20:15] <leonardr> gary, maybe you'd like to take a quick look at https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~leonardr/lazr.restfulclient/no-lazr-restful/+merge/23424 ? see if i did things correctly?
[20:16] <gary_poster> leonardr: looking
[20:19] <gary_poster> leonardr: what do you think of bin/test running both?
[20:20] <leonardr> gary: bin/test picks up all the tests, not just the standalone ones
[20:21] <gary_poster> leonardr: oh I see.  cool
[20:24] <gary_poster> leonardr: niggle: "Throughout this file, we avoid importing anything from lazr.restful..." we avoid importing anything in the module level namespace...whatever, the current wording is close enough, I guess.
[20:25] <leonardr> i can fix it up
[20:25] <gary_poster> ok cool
[20:26] <gary_poster> so leonardr, the only standalone test is authorizer ATM?  How much of a workout is that--does that make your feel reasonably comfortable that it is at least importing all pertinent modules?
[20:27] <leonardr> gary: yes, definitely. it is creating a ServiceRoot object and parsing wadl
[20:27] <gary_poster> ok cool
[20:44] <gary_poster> leonardr: approved
[20:44] <leonardr> great
[23:26] <james_w> EdwinGrubbs: still around?
[23:26]  * james_w would love a review of https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~james-w/launchpad/pipe-lint/+merge/23437
[23:26] <james_w> abentley: ^ might interest you
[23:27] <EdwinGrubbs> james_w: I'll look at that.
[23:27] <james_w> thanks
[23:27] <james_w> tiny branch
[23:28] <EdwinGrubbs> james_w: I thought pipelines were replacing looms.
[23:28] <james_w> nope
[23:28] <james_w> not at this point anyway
[23:45] <EdwinGrubbs> james_w: s/pipline/pipeline/
[23:45] <EdwinGrubbs> james_w: r=me
[23:45] <james_w> thanks


[00:30] <knome> i don't know if it's related, but i've recently noticed how gvfs-metadata is running and it simply won't stop...
[00:30] <knome> i mean, it'll stop if i kill it, but if not, there doesn't seem to be no end to it
[00:30] <knome> anybody have an idea how to debug?
[00:30] <bluesabre> I think ali1234 noted something about that recently
[00:31] <knome> aha
[00:31] <ali1234> sounds like the thumbnailer going crazy
[00:32] <knome> well it's definitly something.
[03:14] <micahg> bluesabre: can't do it tonight, I can take a look tomorrow evening
[21:55] <Unit193> bluesabre: Did you ask dholbach or xn ox about writing something nice for your application to the DMB?
[22:53] <bluesabre> Unit193: dholbach has given me a good endorsement
[22:53] <bluesabre> not sure xn ox has sponsored many packages for me
[22:54] <Unit193> http://ubuntu-dev.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu-sponsorships.cgi?render=html&sponsor=&sponsor_search=name&sponsoree=Sean+Davis&sponsoree_search=name a few.
[22:56] <bluesabre> Dmitry?
[22:58] <Unit193> Yeah.
[22:58] <Unit193> But yeah, you seem to snag dholbach a lot. :D
[23:00] <bluesabre> :)


[02:38] <sabhain> sometimes I honestly want to throw this stuff through a wall.
[02:49] <sabhain> I get so close to being set and done .. and then everything goes up in smoke.
[02:49] <sabhain> no wonder I don't ever want to upgrade these things.
[03:48] <sabhain> one day I'm gonna write up a how-to for adding a slave back end to an existing / stable mythbuntu setup without nuking the existing functionality, cause best I can tell, it's not been done before (the documenting).
[04:04] <sabhain> It really is a spectacular feat of my admin skills when I can't even run mythtv-setup because it can't find the database the same machine.
[13:48] <sabhain> wow.  really bad week with ubuntu, I guess.
[13:48] <sabhain> Sorry for all the venting here.
[14:12] <rhpot1991> sabhain: can't say I share the same experience
[14:12] <rhpot1991> I did have an issue adding a slave backend recently where it was constantly disconnecting, I can't recall what the issue was though
[14:18] <sabhain> rhpot1991: I'm starting to focus on hostname resolution.  I had the tuner (HDPVR driving a STB) working on the slave backend when it was setup as  a standalone system.
[14:18] <sabhain> I followed what I thought were the right steps in shutting down the local backend and making it a slave.
[14:19] <sabhain> It showed up on the master backend, but with {ERROR} in the tuner status list.
[14:19] <sabhain> so the slave machine is "DFE" .. and in the master back end, it showed the tuner as "/dev/video0 on DFE".
[14:20] <sabhain> I typically use DHCP leases in my dd-wrt to set the machine IP's ..   After a restart, it fired up, and I think there was competing backends or something.  The slave backend calculated its space (which isn't big) and started blowing things away.
[14:22] <sabhain> I have a backup, but things cascaded from there.
[14:23] <rhpot1991> sabhain: I would have ported everything to the new master first, then did a bit of a fresh install on the old
[14:25] <sabhain> rhpot1991: the master hasn't changed, but for an upgrade to 12.04 from 10.04 and some new storage.  That stuff went well.
[14:25] <sabhain> rhpot1991: you suggesting I just do a clean install on the slave, rather than trying to move it from being a master to a slave?
[14:25] <rhpot1991> I'm confused, did you have 2 masters?
[14:25] <rhpot1991> I assumed you built a new master and wanted to make your old master a slave
[14:49] <sabhain> rhpot1991: I had 2 masters, only because I added an HD-PVR to one of my existing FE's and took it away from the rest of the system as a standalone FE/BE to test out the stability and workability of the HD-PVR
[14:49] <sabhain> my master is the same master as always, but has recently been upgraded to 12.04
[14:50] <sabhain> and now one of my FE's I want to have work as a FE/SBE.
[14:50] <sabhain> for a brief time the FE/SBE was separated from the main master and operating as a standalone FE/BE
[14:57] <TandyUK> did anyone see my questin last night
[14:57] <TandyUK> how a ehome infrared transciever seems to have mysteriously changed hardware ID
[16:37] <sabhain> rhpot1991: is there any reason I should be using a mythbuntu specific install rather than the ubuntu mini iso and then package selecting from there?
[16:44] <rhpot1991> sabhain: nope both should work just fine
[16:44] <rhpot1991> TandyUK: kernel upgrade?
[16:46] <TandyUK> i uspect so yeag
[16:46] <TandyUK> urg typos
[16:47] <TandyUK> i tried both methods in the link i posted, but neith has made any difference
[16:47] <TandyUK> but im 99.99% certain both machine used to show the reciever with the same hardware id


[20:02] <Eickmeyer> !kxstudio
[20:03] <Eickmeyer> !kxstudio is <reply> KXStudio is a software repository for Debian-based operating systems for audio production. It is not supported by Ubuntu or Ubuntu Studio, and using its repo is highly discouraged as it can overwrite system and user settings. Support in #kxstudio. See also https://askubuntu.com/a/1249739/952110
[20:36] <el> !kxstudio is <reply> KXStudio is a software repository for Debian-based operating systems for audio production. It is not supported by Ubuntu or Ubuntu Studio, and using its repo is highly discouraged as it can overwrite system and user settings. Support in #kxstudio. See also https://askubuntu.com/a/1249739/952110
[20:36] <el> !no, kxstudio is <reply> KXStudio is a software repository for Debian-based operating systems for audio production. It is not supported by Ubuntu or Ubuntu Studio, and using its repo is highly discouraged as it can overwrite system and user settings. Support in #kxstudio. See also https://askubuntu.com/a/1249739/952110
[20:37] <Eickmeyer> el: Thanks!
[20:37] <el> we're looking in to giving you factoid access too
[20:38] <dax> Eickmeyer: do @whoami plz
[20:38] <dax> in channel;
[20:38] <Eickmeyer> @whoami
[20:38] <dax> well that would explain why i don't see you in the user list then
[20:38] <Eickmeyer> O_o
[20:39] <dax> ubottu has a separate user database
[20:39] <dax> DON'T WORRY UBOTTU I DON'T
[20:39] <Eickmeyer> XD
[20:39] <el> if you keep reminding us we'll just replace you
[20:39] <Eickmeyer> Hahahaha
[20:46] <dax> Pici, Unit193 (i think you have access to do this too?): can one of you help Eickmeyer set up an ubottu account and give him the editfactoids capability?
[20:46] <dax> i tried but i'm missing something and she won't reply to him
[22:13] <Unit193> Nope, ubottu isn't liking me either.