[01:04] <alexcunn> Hello
[01:06] <alexcunn> Anyone out there?
[01:11] <cjtrim> Can someone help me Im installing Ubuntu 12.04.1 64bit from a CD i burned from image...after i select language and choose install ubuntu (or any option) i just get a black screen w cursor
[01:12] <cjtrim> already tried redownloading/burning boot disc
[01:18] <alexcunn> Have you waited to see if it loads?
[01:19] <cjtrim> yes ive given it a few minutes...shouldnt take so long should it?
[01:20] <alexcunn> And are you sure ur computer is 64 bit compatible?
[01:20] <cjtrim> yeah i have a intel dual core e8400
[01:22] <alexcunn> I don't know all about the installer. We'll see if someone else will walk in and help
[01:22] <cjtrim> thanks alex
[01:22] <alexcunn> Yw.
[01:26] <cjtrim> I thought maybe it was because i was accidentally using DVD-R for a CD image...but the result was the same for either.
[01:26] <alexcunn> I am running the install iso in a VM. does it show the ubuntu label?
[01:26] <cjtrim> Yes
[01:26] <alexcunn> k
[01:30] <cjtrim> trying the instructions here: on the same machine will return if it doesnt work
[01:30] <cjtrim> http://askubuntu.com/questions/162075/my-computer-boots-to-a-black-screen-what-options-do-i-have-to-fix-it
[01:31] <alexcunn> k
[02:58] <cjtrim> Anyone help with figuring out how to get a wireless USB adapter to work on 12.04.1, please?? Its a Cysco AE2500.
[03:00] <cjtrim> Ive been checking forums but havent found anything that matches my case exactly.
[03:01] <wilee-nilee> cjtrim, If you have tried some methods already make sure that info is included, but here is a link. To be honest usb wifi's are cheap and there is a wiki on ones that work out of the box. http://askubuntu.com/questions/105918/cisco-linksys-ae2500-wireless-adapter-not-working
[03:01] <wilee-nilee> This one appears to need a ndis wrapper at the least, more work than I would do.
[03:02] <cjtrim> I see. Thank you
[03:04] <wilee-nilee> not everyone has the money though I understand, but it appears this one can be made to work. ;)
[08:21] <manwhat> this is an awkward question, but I started using Ubuntu in the past week and am really enjoying it, which leads me to the question... is there any ways in which Windows 7 is actually superior to Ubuntu?
[08:21] <manwhat> the only thing so far I've found is that it's difficult in Ubuntu to change how much the mouse scrolls with each notch of the mouse wheel


[05:26] <guiverc> alkisg, clean install of ubuntu-mate jammy ISO (20220715) to single /dev/sda1 partition; ESP warning yeah, but no errors. comment (my 2c) made on 1951674
[05:27] <alkisg> guiverc: indeed that's my experience too, warning without errors
[05:27] <alkisg> As I write in the bug report, it might scare novice users
[05:27] <alkisg> Thanks for the comment!
[05:29] <guiverc> yeah I didn't like the message when it first appeared (last year as I recall; but long ago), but after maybe 7-10 installs it's effect was gone.. so my reaction won't be anything like a 'newbie' ... esp. given I understand what it's about (they likely will not!)
[05:30] <alkisg> E.g. the use case here is teachers installing ubuntu once per 2 years; they don't even know what an ESP is; so it scares them into thinking they did something wrong, and the installation will fail if they proceed
[05:30] <alkisg> This wasn't an issue in the past, it started after 20.04
[05:30] <guiverc> I've written about it somewhere (on Lubuntu's side most likely) where I see it as a documentation issue, but that's also likely as I'm not a *dev*..
[05:31] <guiverc> tons of changes started in groovy cycle..  I recall that, but the cycles join together with time...


[00:41] <Ilya_> Hello everybody, does anyone know, will ubuntu touch works on Samsung Galaxy Tab 8.9 ?
[01:04] <AskUbuntu> Will ubuntu-touch works on Samsung galaxy tab 8.9 | http://askubuntu.com/q/322083
[02:10] <stgraber> sergiusens: ping
[02:10] <stgraber> sergiusens: we still have a problem I'm affraid
[02:10] <stgraber> sergiusens: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5892761/
[02:11] <stgraber> sergiusens: not the load_keyring line being one two lines
[02:11] <stgraber> *note
[02:11] <stgraber> sergiusens: that's not preventing the bootstrapping as the second argument is only used for cleanup but it's clobbering the cache partition so should ideally be fixed because I issue the call for testing
[02:12] <stgraber> (as otherwise they may end up with too little cache space for the next update)
[02:13] <stgraber> sergiusens: I'll send an MP to fix this, the fix is trivial
[02:17] <stgraber> sergiusens: https://code.launchpad.net/~stgraber/phablet-tools/fix-load_keyring/+merge/175976
[02:17] <stgraber> lool: some extra delay, sorry...
[02:17] <stgraber> sergiusens: if you could review, merge and upload that fix ASAP, it'd be really appreciated, thanks!
[02:27] <fat> can ubuntu touch run apk files
[02:29] <annerajb> hello
[02:30] <annerajb> sergiusens: hey which repository contains the ubuntu_deploy.sh (i am trying to do the changes myself but wanna build using the makefile instead of manually extracting the zip and remaking it.
[03:43] <devslash> i need help ssh'ing into ubuntu. I am able to get into ubuntu via adb but when i do sh - phablet as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes#SshAccess i get an error that phablet user doesnt exist
[03:46] <devslash> is anyone here ?
[03:57] <devslash> has anyone managed to successfully ssh into ubuntu touch
[04:02] <devslash> is anyone here ?
[04:22] <devslash> anyone here ???
[04:50] <miltonh26> anyone familar with QT and being able run QT generated programs in a web browser? Sorry if this off topic.
[08:19] <jo-erlend> It is warned that installing Ubuntu Touch on the Nexus 7 can potentially brick your device. What are the real chances of that?
[09:13] <jo-erlend> I'm trying to flash my Nexus 7 and I'm following the instructions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install, but I'm stuck on "Sending system".
[09:13] <jo-erlend> any ideas?
[09:29] <jo-erlend> I'm no longer able to see my device in adb devices. Is that normal?
[09:31] <Mahen> Hey i want to put saucy image on my videocon tab
[09:34] <Mahen> can some on ehelp me
[09:38] <popey> Mahen: i dont think we have an image for that device
[09:38] <popey> jo-erlend: try adb kill-server; sudo adb start-server
[09:38] <popey> then adb-devices
[09:39] <jo-erlend> popey, yes, it shows now. I flashed system, boot and recovery manually. However, I don't seem able to actually boot it.
[09:39] <linuxperia> hi. i am trying to follow this buggy ubuntu porting howto here => https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Building
[09:39] <linuxperia> at the moment i am stuck with extracting the blob files by using "extract-files.sh". It say allways "extract-files.sh" can not be found. can anybody tell me where this file is located when following the official build howto here => https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Building ?
[09:41] <popey> jo-erlend: what happens when you try to boot it? what image did you use?
[09:42] <jo-erlend> popey, it says Google and at the top, "Ubuntu Touch b
[09:43] <jo-erlend> "Ubuntu Touch B, even.
[09:43] <popey> eh? What's "Ubuntu Touch B"?
[09:43] <jo-erlend> I have no idea, it's what it says.
[09:43] <popey> what guide did you follow to install it?
[09:43] <popey> and which image did you flash?
[09:44] <jo-erlend> first, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install. But that halted, so I used http://askubuntu.com/a/314346/19779
[09:44] <jo-erlend> I flashed saucy current.
[09:45] <popey> yeah, what version?
[09:45] <popey> it will have been downloaded into ~/Downloads/phablet-flash/ubuntu-touch I believe
[09:45] <popey> should be a YYYYMMDD folder name
[09:46] <popey> oh, it's just current/ now
[09:46] <popey> hm
[09:46] <jo-erlend> right.
[09:46] <popey> ok, so that's 20130719.1 i think
[09:46] <popey> yesterdays image
[09:47]  * popey is flashing his nexus 7 now with that
[09:47] <popey> so we'll see
[09:47] <jo-erlend> great.
[09:47] <popey> gimme 5 mins
[09:47] <jo-erlend> well, not great for you if it's broken, but :)
[09:47] <popey> ☻
[09:54] <popey> jo-erlend: mine flashed fine
[09:55] <popey> jo-erlend: maybe start from scratch and pastebin the output of the commands?
[10:05] <jo-erlend> popey, ok, how exactly do I start from scratch?
[10:05] <linuxperia> Coul it be that the Official How To Build Website => https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Building is total Outdated? I can not find anywhere "extract-files.sh" in the downloaded Sources!
[10:08] <popey> linuxperia: yeah, it may need updating
[10:09] <jo-erlend> popey, adb devices should list my device when I attempt to flash the images?
[10:09] <popey> linuxperia: things have been moving fast over the last week and the team have all been madly busy actually making it work
[10:09] <popey> jo-erlend: yes
[10:09] <popey> does it not?
[10:09] <linuxperia> jo-erlend: yes it did on my side just a few moments ago
[10:10] <popey> jo-erlend: boot into recovery mode and push the zips from there as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#Manual_Installation
[10:14] <jo-erlend> annoying that these commands doesn't provide any feedback as they're working.
[10:14] <linuxperia> popey: sound like waste of time with total outdated non working Official Docs ...
[10:19] <popey> linuxperia: what can I say?
[10:19] <popey> there's only so many hours in the day and the focus recently has been making sure the platform is stable and usable.
[10:19] <jo-erlend> Seems to work. When I reboot to recovery after pushing the zip, there is a progressbar moving very slowly. Is this normal boot time, or is it performing recovery? ;)
[10:19] <popey> I'll certainly let the guys know that the build docs need updating
[10:20] <popey> jo-erlend: is there a green android on his back?
[10:20] <jo-erlend> popey, there's a green android with some machinery in his belly.
[10:20] <popey> right, its flashing
[10:21] <popey> the nexus 7 is slow to flash, it's got pretty terrible io performance
[10:21] <jo-erlend> I've noticed.
[10:25] <popey> jo-erlend: finished?
[10:26] <jo-erlend> popey, yes, it's up and running! Thanks :)
[10:26] <popey> great
[10:26] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DailyDriver may be useful for additional things you can install
[10:27] <jo-erlend> heh. It really is quite buggy though, isn't it? :)
[10:32] <jo-erlend> heh, logging onto Gmail.com, I'm asked if I want to get the mobile app. I'm guessing there's no mobile app for gmail on Ubuntu Touch yet? :)
[10:33] <popey> That's because the user agent is currently an iphone one
[10:34] <jo-erlend> aha.
[10:34] <popey> so we get the mobile version of sites
[10:34] <popey> otherwise you get the desktop version and that's way worse
[10:42] <jo-erlend> popey, any good reason why I should use the adb shell instead of openssh-server?
[10:47] <popey> jo-erlend: well, ssh server isnt installed by default, which is one good reason
[10:47] <jo-erlend> popey, hehe, that's true. But there's no good reason not to install it?
[10:47] <popey> and if you do install ssh server just be aware that there is a default user/password of phablet and that user has sudo access
[10:48] <jo-erlend> popey, ah! That's what I wanted to ask. I wasn't prompted for anything when I first started it. Perhaps the first thing I want to do is to add a new user for myself?
[10:50] <popey> i wouldn't
[10:50] <popey> I'd just change the password for the phablet user
[10:50] <popey> you can of course move ssh to another port or add other things to protect it
[11:16] <jo-erlend> oops: screen begins to blink and then turns blue and then nothing?
[11:17] <jo-erlend> and now it won't boot. Hope I just run out of power.
[11:20] <jo-erlend> no response at all now. :(
[11:21] <jo-erlend> ah. It came back :)
[11:21] <jo-erlend> *phew*
[11:49] <jo-erlend> nice... There are 1337 members of the Ubuntu Phone team. I thought about joining, but now I think I'll have to wait until someone joins or leaves :>
[11:51] <rigved> hi everyone
[11:57] <jo-erlend> hello rigved :)
[11:59] <popey> hah
[12:01] <rigved> is there any incomplete feature or open bug that needs RESTful python APIs?
[12:06] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu Touch "Saucy" or other no boot exclude "Quantal" | http://askubuntu.com/q/322226
[12:16] <jo-erlend> you know, I really love the Python language, but the more I think of it, the more convinced I become that it shouldn't be used for apps and stuff. What I'd _really_ want to see, was the use of Vala for app development, but that'd probably not going to happen.
[12:17] <jo-erlend> Would've loved to see Vala as a primary language for scopes and stuff though.
[12:20] <rigved> I was hoping that there might be some server-side stuff needed to be done for some core app.
[12:21] <jo-erlend> rigved, I've just started to catch up on all this, so don't listen to me. :)
[12:23] <rigved> jo-erlend: No problem. Thanks! I'll come back later in the week when there are more people online. :)
[12:24] <jo-erlend> it used to be that you could ask me pretty much anything about new stuff in Ubuntu, and I would be able to provide some kind of answer, but then stuff happened in my life and I had to prioritize differently. After being away for almost a year, it really is quite a bit to catch up to. :)
[12:24] <jo-erlend> rigved, might I suggest #ubuntu-app-devel?
[12:24] <jo-erlend> oh, you're already there. I wasn't :>
[12:26] <w-flo> I think Qt/qml is nice for mobile apps. Not sure about what vala has to offer for mobile app development
[12:28] <jo-erlend> It's more about C++/Vala than it is about Qt/QML. QML seems quite nice.
[12:29] <jo-erlend> C++ vs Vala, I meant.
[12:30] <w-flo> ah, so we can use vala with qt? that's nice
[12:33] <seb__> any one able to help with Error: Unknown connection:
[12:33] <seb__> when setting up 3g
[12:33] <seb__> on nexus 4
[12:33] <seb__> ?
[12:34] <rigved> jo-erlend: yes, I checked #ubuntu-app-devel but it seems that there are more people active on this channel currently.
[12:35] <rigved> anyways, I'll come back later! :)
[12:35] <jo-erlend> w-flo, don't think we can, but I wish we could. :)
[12:35] <jo-erlend> or even just support GTK+, but I understand there's reason why that's not happening either.
[12:44] <AskUbuntu> Error: Unknown connection: when setting up 3g connection | http://askubuntu.com/q/322232
[13:00] <seb__> bump
[13:05] <export> hi is ubuntu touch the same as ubuntu for android?
[13:05] <popey> no
[13:05] <export> where do you find this?
[13:05] <popey> I work on it.
[13:05] <export> thank you very much sir :)
[13:05] <popey> np
[13:14] <mickstep> Hi, I am thinking of flashing my Nexus 4, is the image in a "completely usable as a phone" state at the moment?
[13:56] <seb__> Im getting this error
[13:56] <seb__> Error: Connection activation failed: The connection was not supported by oFono.
[13:56] <seb__> any ideas?
[14:03] <mickstep> I can't seem to create a contact, or just dial a number. How on earth are you supposed to create a contact on this thing?
[14:07] <jo-erlend> Add on the contacts toolbar?
[14:11] <mickstep> where is the contacts toolbar?
[14:29] <w-flo> mickstep, the toolbar is always at the bottom of the screen
[14:30] <w-flo> swipe in from the bottom edge to make it visible
[14:31] <stgraber> sergiusens: thanks for testing the fix. What's needed to get that into the trunk branch and get a release tagged?
[14:31] <sergiusens> stgraber: the workflow for merging is in progress
[14:31] <mickstep> w-flo: Thanks
[14:31] <stgraber> sergiusens: cool
[14:34] <sergiusens> kenvandine: you around?
[14:40] <kenvandine> sergiusens, sort of :)
[14:40] <kenvandine> sergiusens, what's up?
[14:42] <sergiusens> kenvandine: can we trigger a daily release for phablet-tools
[14:43] <sergiusens> kenvandine: not going to torture you on a Sat ;-)
[14:43] <kenvandine> sergiusens, sure, one sec
[14:44] <kenvandine> sergiusens, started
[14:45] <sergiusens> thanks a bunch
[14:45] <kenvandine> np
[15:01] <ptl> how do I configure the feeds for the rssreader application?
[15:09] <n4cht> since the d2att (at&t sgs3) ubuntu touch port listed on the devices page has been abandoned, has anyone else expressed plans to start a new attempt? if not, I think I'm going to try.
[16:16] <stgraber> sergiusens, lool: blog post published
[16:16] <stgraber> sergiusens: thanks a bunch for the help!
[17:24] <AskUbuntu> Swipe edge for workspace change? | http://askubuntu.com/q/322300
[17:33] <quakes> Does Ubuntu Touch support OpengL already or do I have to use GLES?
[18:29] <sergiusens> stgraber: feels as if your site/blog is down
[18:29] <sergiusens> but it's nice that it's out in the open now :-)
[18:30] <dargad> hi guys, is there any mechanism for internationalizing *.js files (an equivalent of i18n.tr form *.qml)?
[18:31] <w-flo> the stgraber blog works for me at this time :) looking forward to testing this on my device if/when I succeed at porting
[18:31] <wojox> system-image-cli FTW !!!
[18:32] <wojox> just flashed my nexus 7. works good
[18:35] <sergiusens> oh, I can flash, just can
[18:35] <sergiusens> t access :-)
[18:35] <w-flo> strange :o
[18:35] <stgraber> the site appears to work from here
[18:36] <stgraber> anyway, great to hear that it's working for everyone so far
[18:36] <wojox> site works here as well
[18:36] <tassadar_> hi, are updates by "apt-get dist-upgrade" supposed to work?
[18:38] <w-flo> tassadar_, currently yes, but probably not in the future
[18:38] <w-flo> tassadar_, well, I don't know if they are *supposed* to work, but I can say that they do work for me :)
[18:38] <tassadar_> ah, cool, at least I don't have to care about them
[18:39] <w-flo> don't they work for you?
[18:40] <tassadar_> I'm multi-booting it, and well, update-initramfs flashes boot partition during some updates, which is not really what I want
[18:40] <sergiusens> stgraber: might be having a DNS issue, I'll solve it later
[18:41] <sergiusens> on my side
[18:41] <w-flo> tassadar_, this is supposed to do updates and is now available for testing: https://www.stgraber.org/2013/07/20/introducing-the-ubuntu-touch-image-based-upgrader/
[18:43] <tassadar_> ah, nice
[18:43] <tassadar_> thanks, I'll look into it later
[18:44] <tassadar_> hm, Ondrej Kubik, that sounds like Czech name
[20:00] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu Touch connecting to 3G The connection was not supported by oFono | http://askubuntu.com/q/322337
[21:14] <quakes> Is there an ubuntu touch forum or sub forum?
[21:38] <popey> quakes: not that I'm aware of
[21:38] <quakes> Dang.
[21:39] <popey> Not that it helps right now as the forums are down ☻
[23:11] <RobertBColton> he yguys
[23:12] <RobertBColton> anybody here been working on the Craig electronics touch device?
[23:12] <RobertBColton> i got one for 40$ at a yard sale, they cost 100$ brand new
[23:12] <RobertBColton> im trying to get root and install ubuntu touch
[23:19] <vthompson> Does anyone have a phone that suports 1080?
[23:20] <vthompson> An HTC One is one example... I'm unsure of any others that support that high of a resolution
[23:22] <genii> vthompson: My Droid3 is busted now but it did 1080 no probs.
[23:22] <vthompson> genii, did you port it to Ubuntu Touch?
[23:23] <genii> vthompson: No, but one of the xda people did, Hashcode ( and another who's name eludes me at the moment)
[23:24] <vthompson> genii, So I take it they'd be active only on the xda forums? I guess I'll just try harder to port my HTC One...
[23:25] <genii> vthompson: I see him in here occasionally. I think he's working more on droid4 and others now, the droid3 had limited ram to work with
[23:26] <popey> I'd love to see Ubuntu touch on the Oppo Find 5.. that's a 1080p screen iirc
[23:27] <vthompson> genii, k thanks.
[23:29] <vthompson> popey, if I have enough spare cycles and *cough* *cough* a new porting guide comes out---I've have some 1080 screens (using your script :))
[23:29] <popey> heh
[23:34] <Kalimdor> need help: resolution reset on reboot with nvidia x server but xorg.conf saves data
[23:35] <Kalimdor> any solution?
[23:38] <popey> Kalimdor: you may be in the wrong channel
[23:38] <Kalimdor> popey: support channel?
[23:38] <popey> #ubuntu is the main support channel
[23:38] <Kalimdor> ok
[23:39] <Kalimdor> sorry
[23:47] <vic> Hi folks - i am trying to boot my compiled kernel on Tuna(Maguro)
[23:47] <vic> Is there some info how to combine the zImage + ubuntu-ramdisk.img for the Galaxy Nexus (Tuna/maguro) ?
[23:49] <vthompson> vic: Don't mind me--but you have an awesome name!
[23:49] <vic> lol - thanks
[23:50] <vthompson> vic: have you read the news about the new images that came out today or yesterday?  I don't know if that will help or not
[23:50] <vic> where is the news posted?
[23:50] <vthompson> (I dont have a supported device, so I tend to ignore news)
[23:51] <Kalimdor> hey guys
[23:51] <vic> I have a device and yesterday for first time i was able to flash and bootup touch
[23:51] <Kalimdor> how do you link users on chats?
[23:51] <vthompson> vic: https://www.stgraber.org/2013/07/20/introducing-the-ubuntu-touch-image-based-upgrader/ I guess It might not help you... but worth a read
[23:54] <vic> vthompson: link is good but not relevant to my need :(


[12:00] <ppisati> anyone willing to test a panda/omap4 kernel?
[12:26] <rbasak> ppisati: sure, what do you need?
[12:28] <ppisati> rbasak: just boot it and tell me if video output is ok, and if you see anything strange around (my panda's video output is broken and i'm waiting for a replacement)
[12:28] <rbasak> ppisati: ah
[12:28] <ppisati> rbasak: are you running dekstop or server edition?
[12:28] <rbasak> ppisati: I'm a server head, I don't have any video set up on my panda, sorry :-/
[12:28] <ppisati> ah
[12:28] <ppisati> :)
[12:28] <rbasak> I can tell you if serial output works if you like :-P
[12:29] <ppisati> i've serial :)
[12:29] <u1106> ppisati: are there any changes / improvements in video on the way or why do you ask?
[12:30] <ppisati> u1106: because we had a "clash" between vanilla and TI BSP video support, thus i need some to check the result of my merge
[12:30] <ppisati> *someone
[12:32] <u1106> well, I'm probably not the right one, I have an HDMI transmitter with the "red damage" myself. Was just curious whether we could expect to get DVI-D & dual output back soon ;)
[14:32] <hoonteke> Has anyone asked about -- or successfully installed -- Ubuntu on a synet07526 netbook?  I've recently acquired one, and am woefully ignorant about both ARM in general, and that netbook's specs in particular.
[14:32] <hoonteke> My first hour or so of Googling is at least proving that I have weak google-fu.  I see that Ubuntu is looking to support ARMv7+ ... does my netbook fit the bill?
[14:35] <ogra_> rsalveti, poke, did you already prepare a new pvr package for the one that infinity rejected ?
[14:46] <ogra_> hoonteke, ubuntu wont run on it
[14:52] <rsalveti> ogra_: yup, using update-alternatives and such
[14:52] <rsalveti> ogra_: I updated the bug last monday I guess
[14:52] <rsalveti> with the newer package
[14:53] <rsalveti> it's just missing the jockey integration
[15:55] <mkopack> Hey guys… not sure if you'd be able to help me or not…. I'm trying to get Openni_kinect for ROS working on my Pandaboard running Ubuntu 11.10. When it goes to install/compile, it's giving me the following error:
[15:56] <mkopack> ../../../../Source/OpenNI/Linux/XnUSBLinux.cpp:30:31: fatal error: libusb-1.0/libusb.h: No such file or directory
[15:56] <mkopack> is libusb something I need to add in that doesn't come built into Ubuntu?
[15:57] <mkopack> (on ARM, but does on x86?)
[16:00] <GrueMaster> mkopack: I think you need the libusb-1.0-0-dev.
[16:01] <mkopack> ok, let me give that a try
[16:01] <mkopack> Thanks
[16:02] <mkopack> Ok, so far so good!
[16:05] <LetoThe2nd> mkopack: on debianoids, the header for the libs are usually in the correspondig -dev packages. this does not only apply to libusb - just for the next header that is not found when you go on compiling :)
[16:06] <mkopack> Ah, k
[16:06] <mkopack> seems to be going… now it's just the "a watched compile never builds" wait :)
[16:07] <mkopack> damn, looks like it's trying to make a JAR for OPenNI. Guess it's time to install Java on this thing! :)
[17:04] <hoonteke> ogra_: can you give me more info on why?  e.g. Is the processor pre-ARMv7?
[17:05] <ogra_> yes, and it only has 128M
[17:05] <ogra_> and just 800x480 ... ubuntu wont be fun on this
[17:05] <ogra_> even if you could boot it (i think there might be a debian port for it, google for that)
[17:06] <hoonteke> ogra_: heh, the current Windows CE is about unusable ... do you have a suggestion for what would be a possible distro for this ...
[17:06] <hoonteke> oh debian ...
[17:06] <hoonteke> ogra_: heh, I've *been* googling, but apparently without success.  I'll try by adding in debian to my searches now
[17:06] <hoonteke> many thanks
[17:11] <rsalveti> installer crashed, lovely
[17:12] <hoonteke> ogra_: do you happen to know which processor this sucker has?  I can't seem to find a straight answer.  All I can definitively say at this point is that it's an ARM, apparently pre v7.
[17:12] <ogra_> no idea, but definitely not armv7
[17:12] <hoonteke> damn.  K, thanks.
[17:18] <avinashhm> Hi friends,  i am trying to bring up wlan on samsung s5pv310 based custom board .. module is bulit and loaded properly .. but i am facing probem in loading firmware .. I have placed the binary wl1271-fw.bin in /system/etc/firmware/ti-connectivity/wl1271-fw.bin .. but still the udev complains that firmware is missing and creates /run/udev/firmware-missing/wl1271-fw.bin .. more logs in - http://paste.ubuntu.com/913282/ .. could some
[17:18] <avinashhm>  one pls suggest where should i place the fw ..
[17:18] <rsalveti> ogra_: just got bug 972645 while installing the latest pre-built image
[17:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 972645 in ubiquity "Pre-built image installer crashed on daily image from Apr 3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/972645
[17:18] <rsalveti> didn't yet check the logs, just followed the report bug dialog
[17:18] <ogra_> well, last i tested was beta2
[17:18] <ogra_> that worked fine
[17:19] <rsalveti> this with the latest current image available
[17:19] <rsalveti> ogra_: did you test with selecting the auto-login option?
[17:19] <rsalveti> that was the only different thing I did this time
[17:21] <ogra_> i never ever used auto-login :)
[17:21] <ogra_> so that might be it
[17:21] <rsalveti> that could be the reason :-)
[17:22] <rsalveti> I also remember it worked with beta 2 image when not using the auto-login option
[17:22] <rsalveti> wanted to have something different this time ;-)
[17:23] <rsalveti> I wonder if the encrypt option work as well
[17:27] <ogra_> i dont think it does
[17:27] <ogra_> iirc it requires a separate /home
[17:28] <ogra_> and preinstalled also has no concept of encrypting / since you already run from it
[17:28]  * ogra_ thinks he remembers that GrueMaster filed a bug about that ages ago
[17:31] <GrueMaster> If autologin is selected, it won't encrypt /home.
[17:31] <GrueMaster> I filed a bug about that back in Karmic or Lucid.  It was fixed ages ago.
[17:32] <GrueMaster> As to current image issues, I have no clue as the QA team has taken over testing.
[17:36] <Mephisto__> hello guys! wanted to know which desktop environment/window manager do u use for ARM-based devices?
[17:38] <GrueMaster> Mephisto__: We have 1 desktop image, which is mostly identical on all platforms (arm, x86, ppc, amd64).  That uses Unity where 3D acceleration is possible, Unity-2D when acceleration isn't available.
[17:39] <Mephisto__> so it is gnome right (unity)
[17:40] <GrueMaster> The only image differences are usually where a package build takes too long to reliably include (ex: LibreOffice), or hw specific (ex: acpi tools).
[17:41] <GrueMaster> I couldn't give you the technical details of the differences/similarities of Gnome vs Unity.  That is best asked in #ubuntu-desktop.
[17:41] <Mephisto__> and performance wise, is hungry on resources?
[17:58] <xranby_ac100> Mephisto__: cpu no, memory yes
[17:59] <xranby_ac100> if you have a machine with 512mb of ram
[17:59] <xranby_ac100> then the system will use around 200mb on startup
[17:59]  * ogra_ still gets along just fine with 512M here
[17:59] <ogra_> not using thunderbird for mail and indeed some zcache swap :)
[17:59] <xranby_ac100> the problem atre that webbrowsers today easily eat 300mb of ram. you get along fine yes like ogra say but you can run into corner cases
[18:00] <ogra_> yeah
[18:00] <ogra_> its a non issue on 1G with a system that has proper swap indeed
[18:01] <Mephisto__> seems that with embedded systems, swap is critical !
[18:02] <ogra_> ubuntu isnt an embedded distro
[18:03] <ogra_> the arm HW we support has at least 512M ram and at least an 800MHz CPU
[18:05] <GrueMaster> The closest we really come to an embedded system is with our preinstalled server images.  They are designed to run headless, and you can add whatver stack on top of the base install that you need.
[18:05] <ogra_> well, they still want at least 128M to run
[18:05] <ogra_> not actually embedded ;)
[18:06] <GrueMaster> Yes, not a true embedded image for sure.  Just as close as we get to one.
[18:06] <ogra_> i would say core is closer
[18:06] <ogra_> but a lot more work to get working indeed
[18:55] <honeypott> does anybody know how to compile kernel ubuntu package without fakeroot? I cloned a kernel git and there is no debian/rules available...
[19:01] <ogra_> ask in #ubuntu-kernel about a packaging branch you can possibly merge ...
[19:01] <ogra_> or use the right tree from the start ... there is no way to build a package if you have no debian/ dir in the tree


[11:09] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: ristretto 0.11.0 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-ristretto-0-11-0-released-tp60070.html (by Romain Bouvier)
[18:37] <jphilips> the telegram to IRC bridge used the ubuntu-quality channel was official sanctioned by the IRCC, so if we want to bridge this channel with the telegram channel, it can be done
[18:43] <TheMaster> Where "official sanctioned" means not banned? :P
[18:48] <krytarik> Even then the IRCC doesn't usually interfere with decisions made on a channel level.
[18:49] <TheMaster> It's a team channel, so no.
[18:51] <krytarik> I mean even if it was a core channel, I don't think you folks would go and trump the use of bridges on those either..
[18:54] <krytarik> That is, I guess the use of bridges may be disallowed by the IRCC, but I don't think it'll force the use upon channels against the will of those who run them..
[20:58] <Unit193> https://github.com/davekeogh/xfce4-docklike-plugin/commit/454a74406832e856eb5af97783c9694c90c22626 that sounds cpu intensive.


[07:51] <magespawn> good morning all
[07:57] <Kilos> morning all
[07:57] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[07:58] <Kilos> what a storm we had last night after midnight
[07:58] <Kilos> methinks hours of lit up skies and 48mm rain
[07:58] <Kilos> inetpro, ^^
[08:00] <magespawn> sounds like a good old fashioned highveld thunderstrom
[08:00] <magespawn> storm even
[08:00] <Kilos> yeah was wonderful
[08:01] <Kilos> normally it storms and 3mm rain
[08:01] <Kilos> you gonna laugh magespawn
[08:02] <magespawn> why?
[08:02] <magespawn> another install?
[08:02] <Kilos> that trying to go to wikipedia links smile gave last night crashed my 160g drive
[08:02] <Kilos> hehe
[08:03] <Kilos> says boot sector is messed up after 3 12.10 tries the deleted parts with xp. then 12.10 said drive faulty
[08:03] <Kilos> then tried kde and its just said install finished reboot
[08:04] <magespawn> okay
[08:04] <magespawn> so you running kde now?
[08:05] <Kilos> no on maverick here. had to swop pcs around because i had win 98 on old one going for the floppy boot stiffy thing
[08:06] <magespawn> any luck/progress with the flashing of the bios?
[08:08] <Kilos> i havent tried it yet. downloaded the flash/upgrade zip files from different places and only found the one from taiwan has the .rom file in
[08:08] <Kilos> hi timkeller
[08:08] <Kilos> but they give a strange command in the link i got on how to do it
[08:09] <Kilos> the command doesnt match with the .rom or .exe files
[08:09] <Kilos> they use the start of a .exe and add .rom on instead of .exe
[08:10] <Kilos> so that i need to clarify before i try the flash
[08:10] <Symmetria> hrm
[08:10] <Symmetria> sup
[08:11] <Kilos> hi Symmetria
[08:11] <Symmetria> so, since my webdesign skills suck ass, and I have need of certain things, time to see if I can figure out how to use a proper webdesign tool like adobe muse ;p
[08:12] <Kilos> hehe never too old to learn
[08:14] <Kilos> oh also magespawn i swopped my /swap and /boot partitions around with kde so maybe it will take unity as well
[08:14] <magespawn> never really liked those all in one software suites, they almost always seem to add extra code
[08:15] <Kilos> what?
[08:16] <magespawn> was responding to Symmetria
[08:16] <Kilos> whew
[08:16] <Kilos> hehe
[08:20] <Symmetria> magespawn heh, agreed, but for a non-coder
[08:20] <Symmetria> they make life simple
[08:31] <magespawn> Symmetria: is that liquid cooling you have on the machine?
[08:31] <Symmetria> yeah
[08:31] <Symmetria> the pc-cooler.jpg image?
[08:31] <Symmetria> ;p its awesomeness
[08:32] <magespawn> does the radiator have its own fan?
[08:32] <Symmetria> lol, not quite as awesome as the other project a friend of mine and I are attempting though, but lol, thats more long term, we're busy building an entirely new type of pc case for another machine Im putting together as an experiment
[08:32] <Symmetria> magespawn 2 x 120mm fans
[08:32] <Symmetria> on the outside of the radiator
[08:33] <magespawn> thats the first one i have seen for inside the case
[08:33] <Symmetria> which are software controllable (the one cable to that cooler actually runs to a USB interface off the motherboard)
[08:33] <magespawn> all othe radiator have gone outside
[08:33] <magespawn> coolant?
[08:33] <Symmetria> prophelyn gycol I think its called
[08:33] <Symmetria> but its an entirely sealed unit
[08:34] <magespawn> similar to stuff in cars
[08:34] <Symmetria> heh magespawn *grin* wait till you see our new fun project if we get it right, we're effectively building a pc into a giant salt water fishtank ;p
[08:35] <magespawn> saw something similar
[08:35] <Kilos> hehe
[08:35] <Symmetria> the pc itself, the plan is in clear plastic etc to have the thing completely waterproofed and suspended in the fish tank with pretty lights etc, and tube the outlets to the outside of the tank, but whats special about this, we're looking at using the fish tank water itself as a coolant as well
[08:35] <magespawn> they filled the tank with non-conductive oil covering all the components
[08:37] <Symmetria> dammit
[08:37] <Symmetria> got disconnected
[08:37] <Symmetria> so if you said anything since 10:36 I missed it
[08:37] <Symmetria> ;p
[08:38] <Symmetria> heh magespawn in theory, we can actually circulate the water in the tank through the cooler pump
[08:38] <magespawn> http://forums.pcformat.co.za/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=36274
[08:38] <Symmetria> and since you have such a large quantity of water in a fish tank
[08:39] <magespawn> do you have and condensation problems?
[08:39] <magespawn> on your machine
[08:39] <Symmetria> nope
[08:39] <Symmetria> not at all
[08:40] <magespawn> might be a problem down here, how cold does it run at?
[08:41] <Symmetria> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/machine.png
[08:41] <Symmetria> sorry got disconnected again ;p something up with my net connection
[08:41] <Symmetria> heh, thats OC'ed slightly less than what I have it now, I pushed that to 4ghz with no problem since then
[08:42] <Symmetria> but that machine.png was a heat test I ran, it had been running completely maxed like that for an hour when I took that screenshot
[08:42] <magespawn> so temp is stable but not actually cold perse?
[08:43] <Symmetria> yeah
[08:43] <Symmetria> you don't wanna run 2 cold because if you do you get condensation
[08:43] <Symmetria> the idea is to keep the temp between 25 and 50 dependant on load and heavy overclocking etc
[08:44] <magespawn> yes here in hluhluwe anything cooler than 20-22 degrees gets condensation
[08:44] <Symmetria> heh, I went with that cooling unit to solve a specific problem, namely, machine was overheating badly when doing certain extremely cpu intensive things
[08:44] <Symmetria> (video editing in AE for example)
[08:53] <Kilos> wbb
[09:09] <magespawn> Symmetria: how do write a ipv6 address with a port number?
[10:03] <inetpro> Maaz_: tell Kilos we had 28mm
[10:03] <Maaz_> inetpro: Okay, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[10:42] <Symmetria> heh
[10:43] <Symmetria> afrinic is gonna hate me again
[10:43] <Symmetria> http://www.alstonnetworks.net/proposals ;p
[12:29] <Kilos> dont laugh magespawn
[12:30] <Kilos> hi superflyand others
[12:30] <Kilos> ai!
[12:30] <Kilos> stupid quassel
[13:00] <magespawn> laugh at what Kilos?
[13:00] <Vince-0> surp
[13:01] <Kilos> lol
[13:01] <Kilos> thought if kde can work so must unity
[13:01] <Kilos> 2 installs no modem
[13:02] <Kilos> 3rd install says drive faulty
[13:02] <Kilos> so back on kde 12.04
[13:02] <Kilos> lo Vince-0
[13:03] <Kilos> and quassels pling instead of xchats bloep
[13:04] <Kilos> and gotta leave it on an unfocussed window
[13:04] <Kilos> grrr
[13:05] <magespawn> ahh well
[13:15] <Kilos> lol
[13:20]  * nlsthzn installed Kubuntu 12.04 then added the backports and installed KDE 4.10 and now I have no window borders >.<
[14:12] <Kilos> whew tim got connection probs
[14:20] <Squirm> slight issues
[14:42] <Symmetria> heh
[14:43] <Symmetria> for those of you who are interested in what is going on on the internet
[14:43] <Symmetria> http://www.alstonnetworks.net/proposals/index.php?title=1._Resolution_as_regards_AfriNIC_interaction_with_the_ITU
[16:02] <Kilos> magespawn: coffee on
[16:02] <Kilos> ai!
[16:02] <Kilos> Maaz_: coffee on
[16:02]  * Maaz_ washes some mugs
[16:06] <Maaz_> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[16:08] <Kilos> Maaz_: ty
[16:08] <Maaz_> You are welcome Kilos
[17:02] <Kilos> timkeller: ping
[17:02] <timkeller> Kilos: pong
[17:02] <Kilos> you got probs
[17:02] <timkeller> Am I bouncing a lot?
[17:02] <Kilos> bad connection there hey
[17:03] <Kilos> yeah in and out
[17:03] <timkeller> Shouldn't... that's weird. I'm behind a bouncer.
[17:03] <timkeller> I'll find out
[17:03] <Kilos> maybe its ok now
[17:03] <timkeller> Want me to drop so the channel doesn't get spammed?
[17:03] <Kilos> lets check
[17:03] <Kilos> no man
[17:03] <timkeller> Cool :)
[17:03] <Kilos> maybe its because you didnt say hi guys
[17:03] <Kilos> hehe
[17:05] <Kilos> ill tell you if it starts again
[17:05] <Cantide> '<
[17:06] <Kilos> yo Cantide
[17:06] <Cantide> hello :)
[17:06] <Cantide> Kilos, CanStudy is going to make a brief reappearance >.<
[17:07]  * nlsthzn just got windows to have the same behaviour as linux in that a windows doesn't need to have focus to be able to scroll in it etc... just the mouse to hover over it... needed an extra app however :/
[17:09] <Kilos> sell it to them nlsthzn
[17:10] <Kilos> $49
[17:10] <nlsthzn> lol, well I didn't make it :p I just installed it
[17:10] <Kilos> ah
[17:10]  * nlsthzn couldn't program himself out of work so bad I am
[17:10] <Kilos> a little knowlege is dangerous
[17:11] <nlsthzn> how are you uncle Kilos ? All well in ZA?
[17:11] <Kilos> so is a lot
[17:11] <Kilos> yeah good ty nlsthzn,and you?
[17:11] <Kilos> meeting monday night hey?
[17:11]  * nlsthzn got the night off, so as I worked last nioght and working the next I will be doing an all nighter.
[17:11] <Kilos> ai!
[17:11] <nlsthzn> will be working uncle Kilos so no meeting for me
[17:12] <Kilos> aw
[17:12] <Kilos> setup a skelm pc there
[17:14] <nlsthzn> :) they have blocked almost all sites so no luck on the net from there now
[17:16] <zeref> weo weo
[17:16] <zeref> pewp pew
[17:17] <nlsthzn> and now I have multiple desktops too
[17:17] <Cantide> zeref, Kung Pow?
[17:18] <zeref> Cantide: :D
[17:18] <Cantide> ^^;;
[17:18] <nlsthzn> "Swinging my chain"
[17:18] <Cantide> I watched it recently
[17:18] <Cantide> haha
[17:18] <zeref> + got my GTX 660
[17:19] <nlsthzn> nice
[17:19] <Cantide> I'm falling, you're falling~ we're faallllllinng
[17:19] <Cantide> whale
[17:19] <Cantide> zeref, very cool :)
[17:19] <nlsthzn> that movie is full of win
[17:19] <Cantide> and i see steam was finally released - so it's a good time to test it out :)
[17:19]  * nlsthzn goes looking for it to watch later
[17:20] <zeref> going to test it with black ops tomight
[17:20] <nlsthzn> will murder the game
[17:20] <zeref> it look like some sort of car engine
[17:20] <zeref> *looks
[17:20] <nlsthzn> :) takes up two slots right?
[17:21] <zeref> 1
[17:21] <zeref> lemme take pic
[17:21] <nlsthzn> fan not that big then?
[17:21] <zeref> 2 fans
[17:22] <nlsthzn> many times a second slot is useless as the fans and the heat sink is to big
[17:24] <zeref> hmmm
[17:25] <zeref> http://imgur.com/4NwbAT2
[17:29] <nlsthzn> so anybody watched the harlem shake vids on youtube :p
[17:30] <nlsthzn> zeref, nice card
[17:30] <nlsthzn> lots of heat to be removed right there
[17:30] <smile4ever> hi :D
[17:32] <Cantide> nice card!!
[17:33] <Cantide> hi smile4ever :)
[17:33] <smile4ever> hi :)
[17:33] <smile4ever> Cantide: have you seen my user styles for Firefox/Chrome? :)
[17:33] <Cantide> can't say I have >_>
[17:34] <smile4ever> they are at http://userstyles.org/users/166121 :)
[17:34] <smile4ever> ^^
[17:34] <smile4ever> I really hate some sites ><
[17:34] <smile4ever> but I like their content
[17:35] <smile4ever> that's why I wrote some user styles
[17:35] <smile4ever> :)
[17:35] <zeref> ta
[17:36] <Cantide> cool~
[17:36] <Cantide> i hate flash / adverts
[17:36] <Cantide> so minimalistic sites attract me more :)
[17:49] <Kilos> hey nlsthznyou using quassel or xchat in kde
[17:54] <smile4ever> Cantide: glad you like it :D
[17:54] <Kilos> hi smile4ever
[17:54] <smile4ever> hi Kilos :)
[18:23] <magespawn> evening all
[18:36] <charl_> hi smile4ever, magespawn
[18:37] <charl_> how's it going this fine evening
[18:37] <magespawn> hey charl_
[18:37] <charl_> we have a meeting monday?
[18:38] <magespawn> hey smile4ever
[18:38] <smile4ever> hi charl_ & magespawn
[18:38] <smile4ever> :)
[18:38] <smile4ever> charl_: very good! :)
[18:38] <smile4ever> and you?
[18:38] <magespawn> charl_: i think so, Kilos was reminding everyone about it earlier
[18:38] <charl_> good, i just had a light cold or something the last few days, but it seems to have passed now
[18:38] <charl_> magespawn: cool, not that i ever contribute much to those though :(
[18:39] <charl_> not being in south africa might have something to do with it :)
[18:41] <magespawn> here is a bit of news
[18:41] <Symmetria> for anyone interested in Internet governance stuff
[18:41] <Symmetria> http://www.alstonnetworks.net/proposals/index.php?title=1._Resolution_as_regards_AfriNIC_interaction_with_the_ITU
[18:42] <magespawn> according to popular mechanics pastebin is a hacker code sharing site
[18:42] <charl_> lol
[18:42] <charl_> let's face it, it has been used a lot by anonymous lately, not that it was the originally intended purpose
[18:42] <Cantide> good night 'o'
[18:43] <charl_> but i don't like pastebin much anymore, it is too full of ads
[18:43] <magespawn> do mide the discriptiin really, just the negative association of 'hacker'
[18:43] <charl_> the width of the text area is very limited
[18:43] <charl_> oh i see, but that is a standard confusion issue
[18:44] <magespawn> indeed
[18:44] <magespawn> and in a mag dedicated to hacking of one sort or another
[18:44] <charl_> i always follow this iptv show called hak5 and a few shows ago darren kitchen (one of the hosts) spoke about some of what they had to deal with
[18:44] <charl_> they apparently had trouble securing a home loan at one point due to their association with "hacking"
[18:45] <magespawn> i watch them too.
[18:46] <charl_> good show, i have been following them since the end of season 1
[18:46] <charl_> i used to travel a lot so couldn't always follow them immediately but i would go back and watch the episodes later
[18:47] <charl_> that's the biggest advantage for me of iptv personally, the fact that i don't have to use a video recorder
[18:47] <magespawn> thats the best way to watch i find
[18:47] <magespawn> yup watch on demand
[18:47] <magespawn> wonder if timkeller has thrown up yet
[18:47] <charl_> yes and then people go and buy these expensive dvr machines for it
[18:47] <charl_> he's on a terrible connection
[18:48] <charl_> oh it's a mweb capetown netblock
[18:48] <magespawn> funny how pppl like to stay with what they know
[18:48] <charl_> i guess it's an obvious thing really, people learn incrementally
[18:48] <charl_> rinse, lather, repeat, and most people simply don't know any better
[18:48] <magespawn> i thought they sorted their problems earlier
[18:49] <charl_> could be the last-mile connection
[18:49] <magespawn> indeed like trying to get people to pay to read/watch content
[18:50] <magespawn> have you heard of techdirt?
[18:50] <charl_> not really, what is that?
[18:51] <magespawn> blog/website about legal/internet/copyright etc
[18:51] <charl_> oh yeah i just searched it up on google
[18:51] <magespawn> interesting reading
[18:51] <charl_> the thing is that the people who are trying to extort us for money are not content authors
[18:51] <magespawn> indeed
[18:51] <charl_> i want to support authors making great content, not large monopolies
[18:51] <magespawn> just the gate keepes
[18:51] <magespawn> yes
[18:52] <charl_> in the meantime, the monopolies are using the authors as an excuse to extort people
[18:52] <charl_> have you heard about what happened in finland last year? lemme find the link
[18:53] <charl_> http://torrentfreak.com/police-raid-9-year-old-pirate-bay-girl-confiscate-winnie-the-pooh-laptop-121122/
[18:53] <charl_> http://torrentfreak.com/raided-pirate-bay-kid-came-to-save-us-all-121125/
[18:53] <charl_> http://torrentfreak.com/father-of-raided-9-year-old-pirate-bay-girl-settles-case-for-300-euros-121129/
[18:53]  * magespawn goes to read
[18:58] <magespawn> charl_: and these are in no way isolated cases
[19:00] <charl_> yup unfortunately
[19:00] <charl_> this is just one that got some media attention :)
[19:01] <magespawn> techdirt covers the same sort of stuff state side
[19:01] <charl_> good
[19:01] <charl_> we need to get the word out :)
[21:15] <Squirm> lol timkeller
[21:36] <nlsthzn> still going at it I see
[21:40] <Squirm> indeed
[22:35] <nlsthzn> timkeller, you are phasing in and out of existance


[03:03] <spaz> I was told to come here with a question regarding a "fixed" bug
[03:05] <rusivi> Quick comment on bug 572970 complaint was made in #ubuntu regarding why toggled Fix Released status when Lucid had no GPM updates. It was inferred that based on how Maverick/Natty have updated versions of GPM, that is why, but due to lack of comments looking for clarity.
[03:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 572970 in gnome-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Battery indicator stuck on fully charged (affects: 2) (heat: 18)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/572970
[03:07] <spaz> That's the question!
[03:29] <charlie-tca> rusivi, I think it was another change by someone not knowing what they were doing. There should be a changelog when bugs are marked fixed, or at least a comment about what fixed it.
[03:30] <charlie-tca> The reporter changed it, and should have left it in "new" status
[03:31] <charlie-tca> It is now back to "new". We need someone to confirm it now.
[03:32] <rusivi> charlie-tca: Thanks for addressing the bug!
[03:34] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[03:50] <micahg> charlie-tca: rusivi, wait, the reporter was the one who marked it fix released, what's the issue?
[03:51] <rusivi> micahg: spaz had noted that it was an issue for him/her
[03:51] <micahg> rusivi: so, that user should file a new bug
[03:52] <rusivi> I would have told spaz that if the package had changed in Lucid but it had not been changed.
[03:53] <rusivi> spaz mentioned he encountered the same problem in UNE 10.04
[03:53] <micahg> rusivi: g-p-m has been updated each release
[03:54] <rusivi> micahg: I figured that the "Fix Released" was due to either reporter mistake or reporter updated to Maverick/Natty, either way not Fixed Released.
[03:55] <micahg> rusivi: fix released is if it's fixed in teh devel release, not all releases
[03:55] <rusivi> Ah, I thought Fix Released meant fixed in the release it was bugged against, my mistake.
[03:56] <micahg> rusivi: if it's SRU worthy, then it can be nominated for a previous release
[03:57] <rusivi> Based on the low people affected, not a security issue, and low heat, seems not SRU worthy atm...
[03:58] <rusivi> It does not affect me btw, just was trying to bring spaz to the right people in order for him to discuss it.
[12:43] <charlie-tca> micahg, that reporter on the bug did not give any comments. He added attachments to the bug and marked it fixed the same time he filed it
[13:10] <oier> could someone please set status and importance for bug #643895 ?
[13:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 643895 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu) "nvidia propietary driver fails to load X with geforce 310M (affects: 5) (heat: 28)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/643895
[13:10] <oier> many thanks
[13:20] <yofel_> that bugs a bit of a mess, the real issue is that nvidia 260 doesn't support the 310M chipset http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-260.19.04-driver.html which someone later reported in bug 658657
[13:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 658657 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu) "nvidia 310M GPUs no longer supported. (affects: 2) (heat: 83)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/658657
[13:27] <oier> well the 260 does support the 310m card in theory
[13:28] <oier> if you search for the driver you get this link
[13:28] <oier> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-amd64-260.19.21-driver.html
[13:28] <oier> and there it is listed as supported
[13:29] <oier> by the way the bug you mention (658657) is marked as duplicated of the one I am asking to check (643895)
[13:29] <yofel> hm, right, be we don't have .21 in the official repository, only .06
[13:29] <yofel> oier: yes, I just duplicated that
[13:30] <oier> but can't you set status and importance of that bug?
[13:32] <oier> BTW  .21 is avaliable in the X SWAT PPA https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates
[13:33] <oier> yofel are you still there?
[13:34] <yofel> I'll mark it high since it makes X fail to start, but I'll only set it to conrimed since I don't know what the exact triaging guidelines of the X team are.
[13:34] <yofel> oier: I know 21 is there, I'll put a note on the bug about that
[13:36] <oier> all right, many thanks
[13:36] <oier> !
[13:42] <vish> oier: hi, just noticed your mail..
[13:43] <vish> oier: #ubuntu-x is a good place to ask about that bug
[13:44] <oier> ok, many thanks everybody! I hope we can fix it soon
[14:05] <oier> is #657634 a duplicate of #643895?
[14:07] <seb128> bdmurray, pedro_: hi
[14:07] <seb128> if I gave you a list of bug numbers do you have some scripts to untag those with a comment easily?
[14:08] <seb128> give
[14:36] <seb128> does anybody know how to use launchpadlib to delete tags?
[14:37] <paultag> seb128: yeah, you can get the tag list as a whitespace delimted string
[14:37] <paultag> seb128: remove the tag you don't want, and set the tag again
[14:37] <seb128> I've tried     	bug.tags.remove('need-amd64-retrace')
[14:37] <seb128> with     bug.lp_save() next to it to be sure
[14:37] <seb128> but the bug is not editing
[14:37] <seb128> edited
[14:38] <pedro_> seb128, i've something for you, one sec
[14:38] <pedro_> seb128, do you want to remove a tag and then add a comment to that bug, right?
[14:38] <seb128> pedro_, yes
[14:39] <pedro_> seb128, ok , give me a minute to add the comment part
[14:39] <pedro_> i was testing the delete tag part
[14:39] <seb128> pedro_, see #ubuntu-desktop
[15:31] <cprofitt> bdmurray: ping
[15:32] <cprofitt> curious if you can guide me on what to do when an issue is solved in the most recent release, but not in the LTS?
[15:36] <charlie-tca> cprofitt, probably needs a SRU - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Fixed%20in%20Development%20release%20while%20still%20existing%20in%20a%20previous%20release
[15:36] <cprofitt> thanks charlie-tca
[15:36] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[15:37] <cprofitt> this is the bug - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/653678
[15:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 653678 in gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) "geometry preferences not applied (affects: 2) (heat: 67)" [Low,Fix released]
[15:37] <charlie-tca> Bugs are handled pretty the same way, regardless of LTS/non-LTS
[15:38] <cprofitt> so in the case of this bug -- its minor
[15:39] <cprofitt> just leave as fix released or make it an SRU?
[15:39] <cprofitt> from my reading I would say fix released
[15:40] <charlie-tca> If it is minor, then, yes, fix-released. If it is needed to make terminal work, SRU.
[15:40] <charlie-tca> minor anoyances won't get approved
[15:42] <cprofitt> cool... it is good where it is
[15:42] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[15:43] <cprofitt> charlie-tca: for the win again.
[15:43] <cprofitt> thanks for helping me grow my knowledge
[15:43] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[15:43] <cprofitt> I remembered reading about it, but could not find the doc while lookings
[15:44] <charlie-tca> It is great that people care enough to ask
[15:44]  * cprofitt smiles
[15:44] <cprofitt> you know me
[15:49] <yofel> cprofitt: add this to your bookmarks too since we're already talking about it https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[15:50] <yofel> hm, the response has that link too..
[15:51] <cprofitt> yeah
[15:52] <yofel> happens if you're doing something else an don't read the whole discussion :P
[15:58] <cprofitt> hey jcastro
[15:58] <cprofitt> hope your T-day was a good one
[15:58] <cprofitt> yofel: lol
[15:58] <cprofitt> its ok -- always willing to accept help...
[15:58] <jcastro> hi cprofitt
[15:58] <cprofitt> its far better to try to help than to remain quiet
[15:59] <cprofitt> how is the fam jcastro
[15:59] <jcastro> good, other than my internet getting hopeless today
[15:59] <jcastro> so if I disconnect ...
[15:59] <cprofitt> ah... I strongly dislike when that happens
[16:00] <cprofitt> luckily its been a while
[16:00]  * cprofitt runs to knock on wood
[16:00]  * cprofitt comes back
[16:00] <cprofitt> lol
[16:56] <jibel> mvo, Hi, about bug 681454 I think that's the same than bug 677442.
[16:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 681454 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "update-manager segfaults after upgrading a package (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/681454
[16:56] <ubot2> jibel: Bug 677442 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/677442 is private
[16:59] <jibel> mvo, and also same trace than 677510 and 681264
[17:09] <mvo> thanks jibel
[17:18] <jcastro> pedro_: how's it going so far?
[18:26] <xelister> why we are left with no usable vector editor in ubuntu
[18:26] <xelister> inkscape works horrible, crashes each few minutes, and has GUI drawing glitches
[18:27] <micahg> xelister: why do you ask questions like this?
[18:27] <micahg> xelister: if there are bugs, please file them, if there's a newer version that works better, request an update or backport
[18:28]  * micahg doesn't think there's an Ubuntu conspiracy to provide poor vector editing
[18:30] <xelister> micahg: ok I ment: look, what the f- even simple vector editing is not working on ubuntu.. something needs to be done
[18:32] <micahg> xelister: ok, the way we do something is to file bugs and/or patches
[18:35] <micahg> xelister: it's in Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Edubuntu, so it's high profile, but idk who actually if anyone works on it
[19:35] <evfool> hi all
[19:37] <yofel> hi evfool
[19:38] <evfool> i need some help
[19:38] <evfool> does anybody know what library is responsible for setting file associations?
[19:42] <cedric> that's a freedesktop standard
[19:43] <cedric> so it depend what is your issue
[20:36] <jfi> Hi, I wanted to do some test on 11.04 with virtualbox but the performance is .... terrible (slow), did somebody experiment such issue? I did not find a related-bugs
[20:38] <micahg> jfi: you might want to try in #ubuntu-testing or #ubuntu+1
[20:39] <jfi> ooops, right, sorry for the noise
[20:40] <charlie-tca> jfi, 11.04 requires compiz, to work best. VBox does not allow 3d, so will not be very good with it.
[20:41] <micahg> charlie-tca: the non-OSE version has experimental 3D support
[20:41] <charlie-tca> It does? I think I reports that it is still going to be less than good
[20:42] <jfi> I am using the ose version, I have read that natty is planned to use by default compiz/unity but I thought that metacity will still work correctly
[20:42] <jfi> actually, that's terrible, I have the time to count each line drawing when moving window:)
[21:08] <BUGabundo> evening
[21:32] <cedric> is it possible to report a bug without using ubuntu-bug ?
[21:34] <yofel> cedric: it is, but first, why do you want to do so?
[21:34] <yofel> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing%20bugs%20at%20Launchpad.net
[21:34] <cedric> libx11 is misconfigured
[21:35] <cedric> and it impact window setup time
[21:36] <cedric> i just need to point the maintainer of libx11 issue so that he can take care of it
[21:36] <yofel> well, see the link I posted, and please don't forget to add the libx11 version and ubuntu release you're using
[21:38] <cedric> thanks will do
[21:38] <cedric> and it does impact all version of ubuntu since at least 2009
[21:38] <cedric> i just updated to see if it was fixed
[21:45] <cedric> yofel: done, thanks for your help
[21:47] <yofel> np


[12:06] <n3wborn> hi!
[12:13] <fishcooker> hello n3wborn
[12:30] <n3wborn> Do you know if, using gnu screen, when i split the screen, there is a way to automatically launch a shell ?
[14:22] <john_rambo> I am a bit confused. I just installed Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS ...The repos seems to work fine but here >>https://wiki.ubuntu.com/1404_HWE_EOL#What_is_HWE.3F It says EOL is August 4 2016
[14:22] <john_rambo> Sorry Lubuntu 14.04.2
[14:23] <john_rambo> Is it safe to use 14.04?
[15:59] <Guest27128> ?\
[15:59] <Guest27128> i have this sd card
[15:59] <Guest27128> https://www.sandisk.com/content/dam/sandisk-main/en_us/portal-assets/product-images/retail-products/Ultra_microSDHC_UHS-I_Class10_32GB-retina.png
[15:59] <Guest27128> i want to instal there lubuntu
[16:00] <Guest27128> it's better to do it manually?\
[19:58] <afiweuf> i ran lubuntu live. it can't read my sd. because i think it doesn't have sd slot drivers
[19:58] <afiweuf> how can i instal lubuntu in a sd card?
[20:58] <Tahr-user> hello there
[21:00] <Tahr-user> i ran lubuntu live. it can't read my sd card. because i think it doesn't has sd slot drivers
[21:00] <Tahr-user> how can i instal lubuntu in sd card?
[23:12] <zerothis1> I'm using a 64-bit installation. I installed 32-bit mesa and not opengl doesn't work at all
[23:22] <fishcooker> is there any chmviewer... chmfox look like just open loop only
[23:26] <ArgyroNet> hello
[23:26] <ArgyroNet> if anyone is up, I have a problem with my tty's :(
[23:26] <ArgyroNet> when I try to access them, I only get the message "wdm_int_callback - 0 bytes"
[23:28] <ArgyroNet> with [a number] cdc_wdm: 1-4:1.6 before that


[12:26] <stevendale> See you in 6 months
[12:26] <stevendale> That's what Flannel said
[12:34] <stevendale> ikonia Only banned me for his personal grudge against me
[12:39] <ikonia> hi stevendale
[12:39] <ikonia> there is nothing personal grudge against you
[12:40] <ikonia> however - I am tired of your nonsense contributions to the channel where you try to push the envelope
[12:40] <ikonia> so I personally think it's time you found somewhere else to be "social"
[12:40] <ikonia> but thats just my personal opinion
[12:42] <stevendale> So you banned me without breaking any guidelines or agreements that were in place
[12:42] <ikonia> stevendale: you join and say a provokative thing - for no reason
[12:42] <ikonia> you get kicked - and rejoin and do it a second time
[12:43] <stevendale> I didn't know I got kicked o.o
[12:43] <ikonia> there is just no need for you to behave like this, it's not how people engage with each other
[12:43] <ikonia> you did
[12:43] <ikonia> lets not mess around
[12:43] <stevendale> My client just said I left the channel
[12:43] <stevendale> I figured it was my touchscreen reacting to my sweat
[12:44] <ikonia> either way - you still join trying to be provokative for no reason
[12:44] <ikonia> I think it's time you found somewhere else, it's not how we want offtopic to be
[12:44] <stevendale> What does provo-what mean
[12:44] <ikonia> where you can use it to try to push buttons, it's supposed to be a social channel to discuss and engage with people
[12:45] <ikonia> provocative
[12:46] <stevendale> I regularly socially engage there with enchi and johnjohn101
[12:48] <stevendale> What do the people there think of the ban you gave me
[12:49] <stevendale> Why don't you make a poll
[12:49] <stevendale> See how many people want me there
[12:50] <stevendale> I would prefer judgement from a community not one individual, even if it's their job to be senseless and judgmental
[12:56] <ikonia> I'm not interestd in polling others
[12:56] <ikonia> I'm interested in your behaviour
[12:57] <stevendale> Okay
[12:57] <stevendale> chu talked some sense into me
[12:58] <stevendale> Can we talk about this on my 17th birthday in August
[12:59] <ikonia> no
[13:00] <ikonia> if chu wants to add to the discussion he's free to talk in this channel
[13:00] <ikonia> but I think you need to find another place to chat
[13:01] <ikonia> it's to tedious having to baby sit you and your behaviour
[13:01] <chu> I'll repeat what I said in the query - he's one of a handful of users who have been given a third chance, and now he's asking for a fourth. (Un)fortunately that's not likely.
[13:04] <ikonia> he's had far more
[13:04] <ikonia> he does the silly hilighting games, the nick changing games, the silly topics/random statement games
[13:04] <ikonia> it's just tedious to have to babysit this behaviour all the time
[13:04] <ikonia> there are other chat channels on freenode, maybe try one of those
[13:18] <ikonia> all clear stevendale ?
[13:27] <stevendale> Um
[13:27] <stevendale> For now
[13:28] <ikonia> err no
[13:28] <stevendale> But don't you ever think this is the last you'll see of me
[13:29] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-ops stevendale after being told to find somewhere else to chat as his behaviour is unacceptable, he responds with evasion-esq threats, point proven
[13:36] <seednode> evasion-esque
[13:36] <ikonia> will it could just be a flouncing comment
[13:37] <seednode> I was just mentioning the spelling is "-esque"
[13:37] <seednode> I agree on the connotations
[13:37] <ikonia> how is it spelt ?
[13:38] <seednode> The way you spelled it, plus ue; I just like the suffix
[13:40] <ikonia> you know, I didn't even noticed I'd missed off the que, I must have been typing shorthand in my head
[13:41] <seednode> Funny how that happens
[13:50] <ikonia> even when I looked back at it a second time, I read it as I had it in my head
[13:50] <seednode> Yeah, was wondering why you asked that


[13:28] <bluesabre> mr_pouit: In order to get the latest catfish and Parole into Quantal, when do they need to be released and uploaded by?  (When do I need to bug you about packaging and such?)  :-)
[17:31] <mr_pouit> bluesabre: feature freeze is on Aug, 23th
[17:31] <mr_pouit> 23rd
[19:19] <bluesabre> Thanks mr_pouit.  ochosi mentioned that for catfish, we would need to get the latest version pushed to debian as well.  So is there an earlier date that needs to be released?


[19:59] <humphreybc> morning everyone
[20:00] <waltmenz> good afternoon
[20:01] <thorwil> evening! :)
[20:01] <humphreybc> hi hi
[20:02] <IlyaHaykinson_> it's exactly noon for me, and the dead of night for folks in india, and the morning in australia
[20:02] <humphreybc> yup, 9am in NZ
[20:02] <humphreybc> on sunday
[20:02] <wolter> hi all
[20:02] <wolter> reporting in
[20:02] <humphreybc> i haven't been up this early on sunday for quite a while
[20:02] <humphreybc> gidday wolter
[20:02] <IlyaHaykinson_> humphreybc: is there a posted agenda?
[20:03] <tacantara> Greetings from USA east, 1500 hours
[20:03] <humphreybc> IlyaHaykinson_: yup on the meetings page on the wiki
[20:03] <wolter> Greetings, 1400 hours
[20:03] <humphreybc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/Meetings
[20:03] <IlyaHaykinson_> ah thanks
[20:03] <humphreybc> so do we think everyone is here?
[20:03] <humphreybc> well everyone that's going to come :)
[20:04] <wolter> well, i think
[20:04] <humphreybc> cool
[20:04] <humphreybc> #startmeeting
[20:04] <MootBot> humphreybc, There is already a meeting in progress.
[20:04] <humphreybc> sigh
[20:04] <humphreybc> #endmeeting
[20:04]  * thorwil has one hour and a few minutes max
[20:04] <humphreybc> that probably won't work
[20:04] <wolter> #help
[20:04] <humphreybc> popey: ping, you around?
[20:05] <thorwil> heh. great. nothing happened here for hours
[20:05] <humphreybc> pleia2, Seveas, jcastro, elky, czajkowski: ping
[20:05] <humphreybc> any of you guys around?
[20:06] <humphreybc> darn they must all be out enjoying their weekends
[20:06] <humphreybc> we could move it to our channel, or just put up without mootbot... although we may have some voting to do in this meeting
[20:06] <wolter> #endmeeting
[20:06] <wolter> thats supposed to be the command to end meetings
[20:07] <humphreybc> yeah but only the chair can end a meeting
[20:07] <humphreybc> ie the person that started it :P
[20:07] <wolter> humphreybc, are you the 'meeting chair' ?
[20:07] <ubuntujenkins> sorry i am late
[20:07] <wolter> hey leeroy
[20:07] <voxwoman> I am also here - newbie
[20:07] <wolter> it hasn't started yet
[20:07] <wolter> we're waiting for the current meeting chair to end the meeting so we can start ours
[20:08] <wolter> humphreybc, we have a mootbot in our channel
[20:08] <humphreybc> yeah i think we'll move it to ours
[20:08] <wolter> ok, so, shall we/
[20:08] <humphreybc> righto everyone, to the manual channel!
[20:08] <waltmenz> Ok.
[20:08] <humphreybc> #ubuntu-manual
[20:09] <wolter> humphreybc, i will send to the ml to go to our channel instead of this one
[20:09] <humphreybc> cheers wolter
[20:09] <czajkowski> humphreybc: yes
[20:09] <humphreybc> czajkowski: hey, do you know how to end a meeting when you're not the chair?
[20:09] <czajkowski> only chair can end meeting
[20:09] <humphreybc> darn
[20:10] <humphreybc> looks like someone has forgotten to end it before leaving
[20:10] <wolter> ok
[20:10] <wolter> already sent it
[20:10] <wolter> after you
[20:10] <humphreybc> cool
[20:11] <wolter> last announcement: Ubuntu Manual meeting moved to #ubuntu-manual channel
[20:16] <popey> slangasek: ping, could you please #endmeeting
[20:17] <popey> hmm, seems he did, maybe the bot was blind for a bit
[20:18] <popey> slangasek: if you could do it again now the bot is here, perhaps it will 'see' it
[20:20] <wolter> popey, are you aware that the meeting is now being held at #ubuntu-manual ?
[20:21] <tsimpson> popey: it was ara who missed the #endmeeting command, 3 days ago
[20:21] <popey> ah
[20:21] <ara> #endmeeting
[20:21] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 14:21.
[20:21] <popey> \o/
[20:21] <popey> i win
[20:22] <tsimpson> grep ftw
[20:22] <popey> your grep skills are clearly better than mine
[20:22] <popey> wolter: yes, I am aware, I was more thinking about fixing the problem here
[20:24] <wolter> ok, gj popey
[20:25]  * popey is /95
[20:25] <popey> bah
[20:26] <jpds> popey: You don't look a day over 40.
[20:42] <vish> tsimpson: hmm , how did you grep the chat logs? from your local session logs or from online logs?
[20:43] <tsimpson> vish: from my logs, I just searched for the last "#startmeeting" without "There is already a meeting in progress." after it
[20:43] <vish> ah , neat :) thankx
[22:06] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[22:07] <slangasek> popey: the last time the bot actually listened to me was on the 15th, and that meeting was ended on time
[22:10] <popey> slangasek: sorry, my bad, it was ara, not you :)
[22:11] <slangasek> ah, sorted now - great