[00:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg kenvandine pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2577 Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-app-launch). Successfully built (xenial/content-hub, xenial/libertine, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/url-dispatcher, zesty/content-hub, zesty/libertine, zesty/ubuntu-app-launch, zesty/ubuntu-system-settings, zesty/url-dispatcher)
[00:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko tiagosh, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2283 Successfully built
[01:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2616 Preparing packages
[01:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2616 Pending binary packages (zesty/unity). Successfully built (zesty/compiz)
[02:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2616 Successfully built
[03:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg kenvandine pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2577 Preparing packages
[03:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg kenvandine pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2577 zesty/ubuntu-app-launch: Failed to merge https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/ubuntu-app-launch/rm-rf-click
[03:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg kenvandine pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2577 Preparing packages
[04:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg kenvandine pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2577 Pending binary packages (xenial/ubuntu-app-launch, zesty/ubuntu-app-launch). Successfully built (xenial/content-hub, xenial/libertine, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/url-dispatcher, zesty/content-hub, zesty/libertine, zesty/ubuntu-system-settings, zesty/url-dispatcher)
[04:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg kenvandine pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2577 Successfully built
[07:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2617 No packages are being considered! If you are preparing sources manually, please upload them to the PPA now
[07:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2617 Generating diffs
[07:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- chunsang, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2593 Preparing packages
[07:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- chunsang, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2593 zesty/media-hub: Failed to commit https://code.launchpad.net/~chunsang/media-hub/wip_media-hub-interface. You must supply either a Commit Message on your MP, or a custom debian/changelog entry
[07:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- chunsang, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2593 Preparing packages
[07:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2617 Pending binary packages
[07:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- chunsang, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2593 Successfully built
[07:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2617 Successfully built
[08:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2618 No packages are being considered! If you are preparing sources manually, please upload them to the PPA now
[08:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2618 Generating diffs
[08:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2618 Successfully built
[09:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Mirv, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2519 Currently building (xenial/kdeclarative, xenial/pyqt5, xenial/qtlocation-opensource-src, xenial/unity8). Diff missing (xenial/qtlocation-opensource-src-gles). Failed to build (xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles). Successfully built (xenial/qtdeclarative-opensource-src, xenial/qtdeclarative-opensource-src-gles, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles)
[09:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- chunsang abeato, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2593 Preparing packages
[09:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Mirv, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2519 Currently building (xenial/pyqt5). Diff missing (xenial/qtlocation-opensource-src-gles). Failed to build (xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles). Pending binary packages (xenial/kdeclarative, xenial/qtlocation-opensource-src, xenial/unity8). Successfully built (xenial/qtdeclarative-opensource-src, xenial/qtdeclarative-opensource-src-gles, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles)
[09:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Mirv, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2519 Generating diffs
[09:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Mirv, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2519 Currently building (xenial/pyqt5). Failed to build (xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles). Successfully built (xenial/kdeclarative, xenial/qtdeclarative-opensource-src, xenial/qtdeclarative-opensource-src-gles, xenial/qtlocation-opensource-src, xenial/qtlocation-opensource-src-gles, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, xenial/unity8)
[09:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- chunsang abeato, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2593 Successfully built
[10:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2617 Publishing packages
[10:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2617 UNAPPROVED queue
[10:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ahayzen, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2605 Preparing packages
[10:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ahayzen, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2605 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/ubuntu-ui-extras). PPA/bzr version mismatch (zesty/ubuntu-printing-app). Successfully built (xenial/ubuntu-printing-app, xenial/ubuntu-ui-extras)
[10:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ltinkl, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2555 Preparing packages
[11:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Mirv, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2519 Currently building (xenial/qtmir-gles). Failed to build (xenial/qtmir). Successfully built (xenial/kdeclarative, xenial/pyqt5, xenial/qtdeclarative-opensource-src, xenial/qtdeclarative-opensource-src-gles, xenial/qtlocation-opensource-src, xenial/qtlocation-opensource-src-gles, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, xenial/unity8)
[11:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ahayzen, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2605 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/ubuntu-ui-extras). Pending binary packages (xenial/ubuntu-printing-app). Successfully built (xenial/ubuntu-ui-extras, zesty/ubuntu-printing-app)
[11:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2620 Preparing packages
[11:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Mirv, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2519 Generating diffs
[11:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2619 No packages are being considered! If you are preparing sources manually, please upload them to the PPA now
[11:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2620 No packages are being considered! If you are preparing sources manually, please upload them to the PPA now
[11:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2619 Generating diffs
[11:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2620 Generating diffs
[11:16] <alf_> jibel: Hi! What was the conclusion for silo 2602 (autopkgtest failure in appstream, not related to the proposed protobuf changes)?
[11:17] <jibel> alf_, it's ready for testing, it's an issue with appstream itself apparently
[11:18] <jibel> alf_, it's being reviewed by vigo
[11:18] <vigo> alf_, hi!
[11:19] <vigo> can you please take a look at this? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24220680/
[11:19] <alf_> jibel: great, thanks
[11:19] <alf_> vigo: looking
[11:19] <vigo> alf_, I ran it in u7
[11:19] <vigo> on kvm
[11:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2619 Failed to build
[11:20] <alf_> vigo: not sure if that combination works (kvm+mir-on-x)
[11:21] <alf_> vigo: but I think kvm works from a VT
[11:21] <alf_> vigo: the instructions for running using under x11 were mostly for convenience
[11:24] <alf_> vigo: try running mir from a VT with 'sudo mir_demo_server --arw-file' and then 'mirrun neverball' (in another VT or ssh) then switch back to the first VT
[11:24] <alf_> anpok: this should work for KVM right? ^^
[11:25] <vigo> alf_, ok let me try
[11:26] <anpok> hm
[11:26] <anpok> you need qxl inside the kvm
[11:27] <anpok> So if you can run kvm with spice and qxl in the guest it should work there too..
[11:27] <anpok> vbox should work now too
[11:27] <alf_> anpok: have we released the vbox fixes?
[11:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ahayzen, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2605 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/ubuntu-printing-app, zesty/ubuntu-ui-extras). Successfully built (xenial/ubuntu-printing-app, xenial/ubuntu-ui-extras)
[11:28] <alf_> anpok: or just in trunk?
[11:28] <anpok> alf_: they are not in vbox trunk yet.. but ubuntu zesty-proposed or zesty should have them..
[11:29] <alf_> anpok: ack
[11:29] <alf_> vigo: ^^, if you can't get mir to work in kvm, just run mir-on-x (i.e. the original instructions) on a non-virtualized setup
[11:36] <vigo> alf_, ack
[11:36] <vigo> :)
[11:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2620 Failed to build
[11:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Mirv, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2519 Successfully built
[11:57] <oSoMoN> trainguards: automated testing failed for silo 2615 because of missing build on powerpc, is that expected? https://bileto.ubuntu.com/excuses/2615/zesty.html
[12:01] <sil2100> oSoMoN: hm, I don't think so, there was already someone reporting this yesterday
[12:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2373 Preparing packages
[12:02] <sil2100> I'm thinking know where the bug should be filled, I guess a master-bug targetting bileto won't cause any harm
[12:11] <sil2100> oSoMoN: could you fill in a bug and assign it to robru? I can't find anything existing already
[12:12] <sil2100> oSoMoN: but I guess this is more of a thing in britney itself
[12:13] <sil2100> Anyway, robru will know more anyway
[12:16] <oSoMoN> sil2100, will do, thanks
[12:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2373 Bad merges (zesty/qtmir). Currently building (xenial/unity8, zesty/unity8). Failed to build (xenial/qtmir-gles). Failed to upload (xenial/qtmir, zesty/qtmir-gles). Successfully built (xenial/unity-api, zesty/unity-api)
[12:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2620 Generating diffs
[12:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2381 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/ubuntu-ui-extras). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/ubuntu-system-settings). Successfully built (xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/ubuntu-ui-extras)
[12:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ltinkl, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2555 Successfully built
[12:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2620 Pending binary packages
[12:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ahayzen, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2605 Preparing packages
[12:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2612 Preparing packages
[12:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2373 Bad merges (zesty/qtmir). Failed to build (xenial/qtmir-gles). Failed to upload (xenial/qtmir, zesty/qtmir-gles). Successfully built (xenial/unity-api, xenial/unity8, zesty/unity-api, zesty/unity8)
[13:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2619 Pending binary packages
[13:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2620 Successfully built
[13:08] <vigo> alf_, already tried on kvm again and bare metal(xenial+o)
[13:08] <vigo> kvm http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24221506/
[13:09] <vigo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24221517/
[13:11] <vigo> alf is there anything else I should have installed? something I missed?
[13:12] <alf_> vigo: What gpu do you have on bare metal?
[13:12] <alf_> vigo: (and driver)
[13:13] <alf_> vigo: another thing to try on bare metal is passing --x11-displays=800x600
[13:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2573 REJECTED queue
[13:14] <alf_> vigo: ... since I see some complaints about size
[13:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2612 Successfully built
[13:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2573 Abandoning ticket
[13:15] <vigo> alf_, ack
[13:17] <vigo> alf_, working now :)
[13:17] <vigo> on bare metal
[13:17] <vigo> with xorg and running on 800x600
[13:18] <alf_> vigo: great
[13:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2619 Successfully built
[13:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- alf__, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2602 QA Signoff: Approved
[13:23] <alf_> vigo: thanks!
[13:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ahayzen, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2605 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/ubuntu-ui-extras). Successfully built (xenial/ubuntu-printing-app, xenial/ubuntu-ui-extras, zesty/ubuntu-printing-app)
[13:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- alf__, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2606 Abandoning ticket
[13:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Kaleo, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2533 Preparing packages
[13:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2612 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/mediaplayer-app). Successfully built (xenial/mediaplayer-app)
[14:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ahayzen, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2605 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/ubuntu-printing-app, zesty/ubuntu-ui-extras). Successfully built (xenial/ubuntu-printing-app, xenial/ubuntu-ui-extras)
[14:10] <Saviq> trainguards, any idea what happened here https://bileto.ubuntu.com/excuses/2555/zesty.html "missing build on..."?
[14:11] <sil2100> Saviq: zesty dropped powerpc and britney still expect that to be built...
[14:11] <sil2100> Saviq: oSoMoN already reported that, I think he was supposed to fill in a bug
[14:11] <sil2100> Not sure if it's an explicit change required in britney itself or only on the Bileto side of things
[14:11] <oSoMoN> sil2100, will do in a moment, sorry I got sidetracked, and now in a meeting
[14:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2373 Preparing packages
[14:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ahayzen, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2605 Preparing packages
[14:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Kaleo, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2533 Successfully built
[14:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho tiagosh boiko, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2318 Preparing packages
[14:27] <oSoMoN> sil2100, robru: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bileto/+bug/1674703
[14:36] <dobey> sil2100, robru, oSoMoN, Saviq: i guess the problem is that the binaries haven't been deleted from the archive yet; so you might just need to ask an AA to delete the powerpc binaries in zesty
[14:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2373 Bad merges (zesty/qtmir). Currently building (xenial/unity8, zesty/unity8). Failed to build (xenial/qtmir-gles). Failed to upload (xenial/qtmir, zesty/qtmir-gles). Successfully built (xenial/unity-api, zesty/unity-api)
[14:38] <dobey> we're also in final beta freeze now
[14:39] <dobey> so all seeded packages need release team approval to land into zesty archive
[14:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- alf__, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2602 Publishing packages
[14:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- alf__, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2602 Publish failed: Packaging diff requires ACK
[14:43] <dobey> so time to shove zesty stuff into overlay first?
[14:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho tiagosh boiko, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2318 Dependency wait (zesty/telephony-service). Failed to build (xenial/history-service, zesty/telepathy-ofono). Pending binary packages (zesty/history-service). Successfully built (xenial/empathy, xenial/telepathy-mission-control-5, xenial/telepathy-ofono, xenial/telephony-service, zesty/empathy, zesty/telepathy-mission-control-5)
[14:48] <sil2100> There were some requests for a zesty-overlay enablement, but we'd still need to get a formal request
[14:48] <sil2100> With proper rationale
[14:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ahayzen, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2605 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/ubuntu-ui-extras). Successfully built (xenial/ubuntu-printing-app, xenial/ubuntu-ui-extras, zesty/ubuntu-printing-app)
[14:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- alf__, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2602 Publishing packages
[14:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2373 Bad merges (zesty/qtmir). Currently building (xenial/unity8). Failed to build (xenial/qtmir-gles). Failed to upload (xenial/qtmir, zesty/qtmir-gles). Pending binary packages (zesty/unity8). Successfully built (xenial/unity-api, zesty/unity-api)
[15:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- camako, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2600 Preparing packages
[15:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho tiagosh boiko, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2318 Dependency wait (zesty/telephony-service). Failed to build (xenial/history-service, zesty/telepathy-ofono). Successfully built (xenial/empathy, xenial/telepathy-mission-control-5, xenial/telepathy-ofono, xenial/telephony-service, zesty/empathy, zesty/history-service, zesty/telepathy-mission-control-5)
[15:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2373 Bad merges (zesty/qtmir). Failed to build (xenial/qtmir-gles). Failed to upload (xenial/qtmir, zesty/qtmir-gles). Successfully built (xenial/unity-api, xenial/unity8, zesty/unity-api, zesty/unity8)
[15:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2373 Preparing packages
[15:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- alf__, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2602 Release pocket
[15:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Kaleo, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2533 Preparing packages
[15:28] <Saviq> sil2100, will you take care of the powerpc woes? sounds like it's just "please remove all powerpc binaries from zesty", really?
[15:29] <sil2100> Saviq: I don't have the formal power to do so, I guess it'll have to be some formal AA to do it
[15:30] <sil2100> I'll try to find someone
[15:30] <Saviq> sil2100, well, sure, was asking if you could *ask*, you definitely have more merit behind you for a request like that :)
[15:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2373 Bad merges (zesty/qtmir). Currently building (xenial/unity8, zesty/unity8). Failed to build (xenial/qtmir-gles). Failed to upload (xenial/qtmir, zesty/qtmir-gles). Successfully built (xenial/unity-api, zesty/unity-api)
[15:38] <dobey> it could just be not done yet because of beta ISO spins taking priority
[15:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2612 Preparing packages
[15:45] <Laney> I think you need to configure bileto's britney to not know about powerpc
[15:53] <Saviq> dobey, can you do ↑?
[15:54] <Saviq> robru, rather ↑
[15:54] <Saviq> dobey, as you were... ;) sorry
[15:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Kaleo, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2533 Pending binary packages (xenial/ubuntu-terminal-app). Successfully built (zesty/ubuntu-terminal-app)
[16:00] <Saviq> Mirv, looks like your silo's it, mine's not gonna get green from bileto atm - and yours is xenial only, so makes more sense anyway during a beta freeze
[16:00] <Saviq> yours only waiting for a few last test results
[16:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2612 Successfully built
[16:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Kaleo, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2533 Successfully built
[16:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2373 Bad merges (zesty/qtmir). Failed to build (xenial/qtmir-gles). Failed to upload (xenial/qtmir, zesty/qtmir-gles). Pending binary packages (xenial/unity8, zesty/unity8). Successfully built (xenial/unity-api, zesty/unity-api)
[16:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2373 Bad merges (zesty/qtmir). Failed to build (xenial/qtmir-gles). Failed to upload (xenial/qtmir, zesty/qtmir-gles). Successfully built (xenial/unity-api, xenial/unity8, zesty/unity-api, zesty/unity8)
[17:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- camako, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2600 Successfully built
[17:14] <robru> Saviq: oSoMoN: Ok I've pushed a fix disabling powerpc in zesty, I'll keep an eye on those excuses pages to make sure they progress
[17:25] <Saviq> robru, ack, thanks
[17:28] <Saviq> mterry, can you restart the pyqt5 test here please https://bileto.ubuntu.com/excuses/2519/xenial.html it looks like it got lost
[17:33] <mterry> Saviq: not sure how to get the right URL to use if it doesn't show "failed" link -- the 'running' link doesn't have internal id used for that run
[17:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh bfiller boiko, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2311 Preparing packages
[17:39] <Saviq> mterry, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive/ubuntu-archive-tools/trunk/view/head:/retry-autopkgtest-regressions
[17:40] <Saviq> mterry, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24223004/
[17:40] <mterry> ah of course -- so many interesting scripts in ubuntu-archive-tools  :P
[17:41] <mterry> Saviq: ok done
[17:41] <mterry> thx
[17:41] <mterry> will have to remember that script in future
[17:42] <Saviq> mterry, yeah, check out --help there - it mentions how to automate that with an exported cookie
[17:42]  * Saviq only learned about it recently, too
[17:42] <Saviq> see, it even worked! http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running#pkg-pyqt5 :0
[17:46] <mterry> \./
[17:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2612 Preparing packages
[18:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ahayzen, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2605 Preparing packages
[18:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh bfiller boiko, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2311 Failed to build (xenial/messaging-framework, xenial/telepathy-qt, zesty/messaging-framework, zesty/telepathy-qt). Successfully built (xenial/address-book-app, xenial/address-book-service, xenial/libircclient, xenial/messaging-app, xenial/mfw-plugin-irc, zesty/address-book-app, zesty/address-book-service, zesty/libircclient, zesty/messaging-app, zesty/mfw-plugin-irc)
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[18:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho tiagosh boiko, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2318 Failed to build (xenial/history-service, zesty/telepathy-ofono). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/telephony-service). Successfully built (xenial/empathy, xenial/telepathy-mission-control-5, xenial/telepathy-ofono, xenial/telephony-service, zesty/empathy, zesty/history-service, zesty/telepathy-mission-control-5)
[18:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ahayzen, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2605 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/ubuntu-ui-extras). Pending binary packages (xenial/ubuntu-printing-app, zesty/ubuntu-printing-app). Successfully built (xenial/ubuntu-ui-extras)
[18:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Mirv, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2519 QA Signoff: Ready
[18:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ahayzen, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2605 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/ubuntu-ui-extras). Successfully built (xenial/ubuntu-printing-app, xenial/ubuntu-ui-extras, zesty/ubuntu-printing-app)
[19:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh bfiller boiko, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2311 Preparing packages
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[19:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2612 Preparing packages
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[19:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh bfiller boiko, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2311 Failed to build (xenial/telepathy-qt, zesty/telepathy-qt). Pending binary packages (zesty/messaging-framework). Successfully built (xenial/address-book-app, xenial/address-book-service, xenial/libircclient, xenial/messaging-app, xenial/mfw-plugin-irc, zesty/address-book-app, zesty/address-book-service, zesty/libircclient, zesty/messaging-app, zesty/mfw-plugin-irc). Uploading build
[19:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2612 Pending binary packages
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[19:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh bfiller boiko, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2311 Failed to build (xenial/telepathy-qt, zesty/telepathy-qt). Pending binary packages (xenial/messaging-framework, zesty/messaging-framework). Successfully built (xenial/address-book-app, xenial/address-book-service, xenial/libircclient, xenial/messaging-app, xenial/mfw-plugin-irc, zesty/address-book-app, zesty/address-book-service, zesty/libircclient, zesty/messaging-app, zesty/mfw-p
[19:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2612 Pending binary packages
[20:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh bfiller boiko, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2311 Failed to build (xenial/telepathy-qt, zesty/telepathy-qt). Successfully built (xenial/address-book-app, xenial/address-book-service, xenial/libircclient, xenial/messaging-app, xenial/messaging-framework, xenial/mfw-plugin-irc, zesty/address-book-app, zesty/address-book-service, zesty/libircclient, zesty/messaging-app, zesty/messaging-framework, zesty/mfw-plugin-irc)
[20:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2612 Successfully built
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[20:41] <oSoMoN> ubuntu-qa: https://trello.com/c/2BKzjYc6/4063-2615-2615-webbrowser-app-osomon can be deleted as I’ve triggered a rebuild of the silo
[20:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- oSoMoN, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2615 Currently building (xenial/webbrowser-app). Failed to build (zesty/webbrowser-app)
[21:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- oSoMoN, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2615 Failed to build
[21:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2617 Proposed pocket
[21:23] <oSoMoN> trainguards: could you please re-run https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/2615/+build/12155140 ? thanks!
[21:24] <robru> oSoMoN: done
[21:24] <oSoMoN> cheers
[21:24] <robru> yw
[21:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- oSoMoN, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2615 Failed to build (zesty/webbrowser-app). Successfully built (xenial/webbrowser-app)
[21:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2562 Preparing packages
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[22:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- camako, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2609 Preparing packages
[22:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2562 Successfully built
[23:02] <oSoMoN> trainguards: could you please re-run https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/2615/+build/12155148 ? thanks!
[23:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2381 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/ubuntu-ui-extras). Successfully built (xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/ubuntu-ui-extras, zesty/ubuntu-system-settings)
[23:40] <robru> oSoMoN: done, yw
[23:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- camako, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2609 Successfully built
[23:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- oSoMoN, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2615 Successfully built


[06:07] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Alternate amd64 [Zesty Beta 2] (20170321) has been added
[06:07] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Alternate i386 [Zesty Beta 2] (20170321) has been added
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[18:00] <lynorian> Do we have a call for testing of final beta?
[22:18] <tsimonq2> lNot yet
[22:18] <tsimonq2> Gr
[22:55] <tsimonq2> Lubuntu QA/Development | Now testing Zesty Zapus Final Beta | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/QA | Support: #lubuntu | Chat: #lubuntu-offtopic | Development Release: Zesty Zapus
[22:55] <tsimonq2> Grrrrrrrrr
[22:55] <tsimonq2> THere
[22:56] <tsimonq2> ...
[22:56] <tsimonq2> I screwed up that Call for Testing email >__<


[05:27] <magespawn> good morning
[05:49] <Kilos> morning all
[05:51] <magespawn> hi Kilos
[05:51] <Kilos> hi my magespawn
[10:58] <stickyboy> Anyone got Apple Music?
[13:50] <gremble> Good afternoon
[15:10] <Kilos> hi gremble and others
[15:44] <stickyboy> gremble: Sup
[16:36] <Kios> ai1
[16:36] <Kios> ai!as well
[16:52] <Kilos-> hmm...
[16:52] <Kilos-> inetpro, is your away thing broken?
[16:54] <Kilos-> ai!
[16:54] <Kilos->  cloaks missing
[16:58] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[17:01] <superfly> The shed is being loaded
[17:04]  * superfly wonders if Kilos is thinking
[17:05] <Kilos> lol
[17:05] <Kilos> thinking how i used to setup hexchat ya
[17:05] <superfly> I never got a comment about my comment, so I was wondering if you were confused
[17:06] <Kilos> having a system work for a year lets you forget what you used to do every now and again
[17:06] <Kilos> lol
[17:08] <Kilos> i have 14.04 unity flavour running on T410 alongside win 7 and 14.04 kde
[17:09] <Kilos> nice and fast little lappy
[17:09] <Kilos> better with usb mouse though
[17:57] <Kilos> i need some advice please, they say skype to skype calls are free
[17:57] <Kilos> what does it do to your 3g data bundle
[17:58] <Kilos> and if it uses your data is that on incoming as well as outgoing calls
[17:58] <gremble> Yes
[17:58] <gremble> On both
[17:58] <gremble> Since they require data transfer
[17:59] <gremble> So anything that sends/receives packets costs money/data
[17:59] <Kilos> so all these other things like viber and fring are the same
[17:59] <gremble> Yup
[17:59] <Kilos> so where does the free bit come in
[17:59] <gremble> Nothing is "free". You may not pay for the service, but you still have to pay your ISP for their service
[18:00] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:00] <Kilos> but
[18:00] <Kilos>  next
[18:00] <gremble> It is like the mechanic doesn't charge you for fixing your car, but you still have to pay for the petrol to drive there
[18:00] <Kilos> it will be cheaper than using airtime right
[18:00] <gremble> That I don't know. I think so
[18:00] <Kilos> the voip thing
[18:01] <Squirm> Kilos: I looked at it... Let me find the site
[18:01] <Kilos> ty Squirm
[18:01] <gremble> Vodafone did try and make VoIP something like R15/MB, but I don't know whether they succeeded
[18:01] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:01] <Squirm> 40Mb-50Mb per hour
[18:01] <Kilos> R15 a meg
[18:01] <Kilos> oh thats not too bad
[18:02] <Squirm> so * that by per Mb cost
[18:02] <Kilos> oi
[18:02] <Squirm> But if you have a good connection, Skype ups the quality
[18:02] <Squirm> so it's an estimate
[18:02] <Squirm> Kilos: How much do you pay for data?
[18:02] <Kilos> R199 for 3g
[18:03] <Squirm> R0.06 per Mb
[18:03] <Kilos> i foned the other day and used R50 in less than an hour
[18:03] <Squirm> Maaz: 0.06*60
[18:03] <Maaz> Squirm: 3.6
[18:03] <Squirm> No way
[18:04] <Squirm> R3.6 per hour? LIES
[18:04] <Kilos> i foned aus
[18:04] <Squirm> My calcualtion must be off
[18:04] <Kilos> oh you not talking to me
[18:04] <Kilos> hehe
[18:04] <Squirm> How much did the call cost?
[18:05] <Kilos> R51
[18:05] <Kilos> i dont know where to see the time
[18:05] <Squirm> Open Skype
[18:06] <Squirm> is there a history tab?
[18:06] <Squirm> I have a history tab on osx
[18:06] <Kilos> nono i used fone
[18:06] <Squirm> Or, open the chat window, sometimes it shows you in the chat
[18:06] <Squirm> Oh
[18:06] <Squirm> Which phone?
[18:06] <Kilos> cell and airtime
[18:06] <Kilos> old nokia
[18:06] <Squirm> Hit the green call button once
[18:07] <Squirm> Should bring up the call log?
[18:07] <Kilos> no brought up a code from telegram
[18:08] <Kilos> cloeared that then it said no calls when i hit green button again
[18:08] <Kilos> says no numbers
[18:08] <Kilos> ai!
[18:09] <Kilos> this thing dont record any of that
[18:09] <Kilos> must be turned off or something
[18:10] <Kilos> last call
[18:10] <Kilos> 28 mins 14 secs
[18:11] <Kilos> 51/28
[18:11] <Kilos> ai!
[18:11] <Kilos> Maaz  51/28
[18:11] <Maaz> Kilos: 1.82142857143
[18:12] <Kilos> Maaz  28/51
[18:12] <Maaz> Kilos: 0.549019607843
[18:12] <Kilos> ai!
[18:25] <Cryterion> Evening Everyone
[18:28] <Squirm> Kilos: looks like Skype might be better
[18:28] <Squirm> Skype to Skype though
[18:28] <Squirm> Skype to landline will cost the same as a local landline call+data charge
[18:29] <Squirm> R2pm though
[18:30] <Cryterion> anyone know the new telkom huawei routers?
[18:31] <gremble> Hey Cryterion
[18:31] <Cryterion> Hiya gremble
[18:31] <gremble> We had one. I don't know if it was a "new" one, but fairly nice none the less
[18:31] <gremble> Only issue I had was connecting to it with netctl. But I suspect that is because netctl is shitty
[18:32] <Cryterion> Prefer their old one, you have decent port forwarding options, on this new one you can only do it via NAT, which isn't working
[18:33] <Kilos> ty Squirm
[18:34] <Cryterion> if I put my inet ip into address, I get the gateway login screen, not the forward to web server, grrrr
[18:34] <Cryterion> Hiya Squirm and Kilos
[18:35] <Kilos> hi Cryterion
[18:38] <Squirm> Hey Cryterion
[18:38] <Squirm> I don't know you do I?
[18:38] <Squirm> Well, do you recognise my nick?
[18:39] <Cryterion> Yes, you been here awhile, as I have, we probably haven't formally met yet
[18:40] <Squirm> Hmmm.. No.. I knew that nick from another server a few years back
[18:41] <Cryterion> Few years could be many years for me, been along time since I've used irc everyday since the late 90's until a few months ago again
[18:41] <Squirm> No...
[18:41] <Squirm> But now I see your real name is different
[18:41] <Squirm> Never mind
[18:43] <Squirm> I knew a Cryterion fron Centurion is about 2007ish
[18:44] <Squirm> Interested in where the nickname came from then?
[18:44] <Cryterion> hmmm, wasn't me then
[18:45] <Squirm> Nope
[18:46] <Cryterion> I started using this nick about 25 years ago as a screen name, have since, and was prob mainly cause it was just different
[18:47] <Cryterion> used cryterion instead of criterion
[19:03] <inetpro> good evening
[19:04] <gremble> emacs is amazing *-*
[19:04] <gremble> Hey inetpro
[19:04] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[19:04] <inetpro> vim ftw!
[19:09] <inetpro> http://mrozekma.com/editor-learning-curve.png
[19:09] <Squirm> gremble: It's hard to learn :/
[19:10] <Squirm> As that link suggests, actually
[19:11] <inetpro> Squirm: maybe a bit hard to begin with but very quick to learn
[19:11] <Squirm> I've stuck with Atom for now
[19:11] <Squirm> Editing bash, python and YAML files
[19:12] <Squirm> so I should be ok
[19:12]  * inetpro tried emacs several times
[19:13] <Squirm> A few of our devs use it
[19:13]  * Cryterion doesn't see nano in that graph :(
[19:13] <inetpro> I just keep going back to vim/vi because it's the one thing you'll find on just about every *nix environment
[19:14] <MaNI> nano!
[19:16] <gremble> MaNI: Nano and emacs have similar commands
[19:16] <gremble> Also, I am learning lisp as well. This makes emacs less terrible :P
[19:16] <Squirm> inetpro: I use vim when I edit on a remote server. But we use ansible and config management, so it's often just wit my editor on my local machine
[19:17] <Squirm> so between vim and atom, I do everything
[19:17] <gremble> I like vim a lot, but so far I am having more fun and being more productive in emacs. I just need to get the movement keys down. They're still weird. I am thinking about trying evil
[19:17]  * inetpro should learn to do ansible
[19:17] <Squirm> Yeah
[19:18] <Squirm> It's where the YAML comes in
[19:20] <Cryterion> yeah MaNI, I use nano for basics
[19:21] <MaNI> I don't trust any program where ctrl+c doesn't exit
[19:21] <Kilos> lol
[19:21] <MaNI> or ctrl+x
[19:21] <MaNI> :p
[19:21] <Kilos> i like nano
[19:22] <Kilos> all i can use
[19:24] <inetpro> MaNI: uh, you also one of those who press the reset button to exit vim?
[19:24] <Kilos> hehe
[19:25] <MaNI> haha, nah I know how to use vim
[19:25] <MaNI> I just find it annoying when people redefine such fundamental basic operating rules
[19:25] <MaNI> certain things should be obeyed :p
[19:27]  * inetpro prefers to make double sure about changes in any file
[19:28] <inetpro> too easy to make mistakes with a basic editor like nano without noticing it
[19:30] <gremble> If you want a random string you have a noob try and exit ed
[19:30] <inetpro> config management is definitely the better way to do it
[19:31] <inetpro> haha, I used to enjoy ed and ex at some point
[19:35] <Squirm> Never heard of it
[19:35] <Squirm> Kilos: it took a while. But vim is better than nano
[19:35] <Kilos> for those that can learn it yeah
[19:36] <Kilos> for the few things i need to chnge nano works great
[19:36] <Squirm> Kilos:
[19:36] <Squirm> http://hdwallpapers.cat/wallpaper/linux_cheat_sheet_wallpaper_nmap_vim_ssh_hd-wallpaper-619059.jpg
[19:36] <Kilos> change
[19:36] <Squirm> check the vim section
[19:37] <Cryterion> ctrl+x doesn't work on vim ctrl+\ does, but nano is easy
[19:37] <Squirm> The only thing that it doesn't mention, is use esc to change modes
[19:37] <Squirm> Kilos: Also, sometimes helps setting an image like that as your wallpaper :)
[19:38] <Kilos> lol
[19:38] <Squirm> Seriously
[19:38] <Kilos> no man i dont need to learn more stuffs
[19:38] <Kilos> yes it will help having it as a wall paper i agree
[19:39] <Kilos> if i fiddled in files lots i would try it
[19:39] <Cryterion> def gonna put it up as well
[19:39] <inetpro> sudo apt-get install vim-runtime && vimtutor
[19:39] <Kilos> i only ever change 2 files
[19:39] <Squirm> Kilos: vimtutor!
[19:39] <Squirm> vimtutor is great!
[19:39] <Kilos> and one for sound
[19:39] <Squirm> Cryterion: when you're learning, it's fantastic
[19:39]  * Cryterion goes to look
[19:39] <Kilos> nono i tried vim tutor
[19:39] <Squirm> Even just to recall
[19:40] <Cryterion> Yeah, learnt today you can't rename files
[19:40] <Squirm> tbh - I've never used it :D
[19:40] <Cryterion> but you move them to the new filename
[19:40] <Squirm> Well. Used commands once or twice, but never set it as my bg
[19:40] <Squirm> Cryterion: indeed
[19:40] <Squirm> Sam thing
[19:40] <gremble> Technically that is what a move is on linux
[19:41] <gremble> You don't change the location of the file
[19:41] <Cryterion> yip, just the terminology is different
[19:41] <gremble> Just its name in the directory structure
[19:41] <Squirm> Yep
[19:41] <Squirm> Cryterion: then have a look at the difference between a symlink and a hardlink
[19:42] <gremble> Tea and toast with syrup. Now I am ready for the day
[19:42] <Squirm> Nice
[19:42] <Kilos> syruo is lekker
[19:42] <Squirm> Wait... gremble... The day?
[19:42] <Kilos> tate and lyles is the best
[19:42] <Kilos> but expensive
[19:42] <gremble> I don't have to get up at 5 tomorrow. That means I still have a couple of hours of work that I get to do
[19:44] <Squirm> Cryterion: I could probably list my few most used commands
[19:44] <Squirm> Wel.. my favourite
[19:44] <gremble> ls
[19:44] <gremble> :P
[19:44] <Squirm> less +F
[19:44] <Squirm> ssh -L
[19:44] <Squirm> dig
[19:44] <Squirm> ps
[19:44] <Squirm> killall
[19:45] <Squirm> well, ps aux
[19:45] <Squirm> and killall processID
[19:45] <Squirm> no wait, killall processBIN
[19:45] <Squirm> :P
[19:45] <Squirm> and du -h and df -h
[19:45] <gremble> ps aux is like htop for masochistic people
[19:45] <Squirm> gremble: I always use it with grep though
[19:46] <Squirm> and I use htop and top to check the box
[19:46] <Squirm> oh and tar zxf and tar zcf
[19:46] <gremble> One day I will learn grep xD
[19:46] <Squirm> zxf to extract and zcf to create
[19:47] <Squirm> gremble: the nice thing, is you can grep for words
[19:47] <gremble> Perhaps when we are doing Regular expressions in discrete structures
[19:47] <Squirm> ps aux | grep apache
[19:47] <Squirm> ps aux | grep nginx
[19:47] <Squirm> ps aux | grep java
[19:47] <Squirm> etc
[19:47] <gremble> Yup. Just tried that with emacs
[19:49] <Squirm> With that cheat sheet I pasted. The only commands I don't use, are Netcat and Nmap(used some of Nmap)
[19:49] <Squirm> Otherwise, I use the others almost weekly
[19:50] <Kilos> night all sleep tight
[19:50] <inetpro> good night oom Kilos
[19:50] <superfly> Squirm: when you're extracting with tar you don't need to specify the type. It will automatically detect from the file name
[19:51] <Squirm> superfly: that's interesting
[19:51] <Squirm> Thanks
[19:51]  * superfly is also old-school and still uses -xf
[19:52] <Squirm> :P
[19:52] <Squirm> I'd probably still carry on doing it
[19:52] <Squirm> But it's good to know
[19:52] <Squirm> every now and again I use gunzip
[19:52] <Squirm> But it's not often
[19:52] <inetpro> Squirm: with egrep you can grep for multiple patterns at once
[19:52] <inetpro> eg: ps aux | egrep "apache|nginx|java"
[19:53] <superfly> And I recently started using vim properly. Use the right plugins and vim is AMAZING
[19:53] <Squirm> superfly: vim has plugins?
[19:53] <Squirm> I;ve never looked
[19:53] <Squirm> I've*
[19:53] <superfly> Yebo
[19:53] <gremble> That is what is exciting about NeoVim
[19:53] <gremble> Better plugin system
[19:53] <superfly> Look up oh-my-vim
[19:53] <gremble> Even async
[19:53] <Squirm> superfly: will do
[19:53] <superfly> And while you're at it, install zsh and oh-my-zsh
[19:54] <gremble> ^
[19:54] <Squirm> superfly: I have...
[19:54] <gremble> I second that :P
[19:54] <Squirm> zsh something
[19:54] <superfly> And stop using bash
[19:54] <Squirm> zprezto
[19:54] <Squirm> Meant to be a little quicker
[19:54] <superfly> Squirm: not talking directly to you, more just to the channel on general
[19:54] <superfly> *im
[19:54] <Squirm> :P
[19:54] <Squirm> kk
[19:54] <superfly> *in
[19:55] <Squirm> But yes, zsh is good
[19:56] <Squirm> Not sure who uses a Mac here, but I've been using a iTerm for a while. But then I found TotalTerminal :D There is a linux version nuvolari recommended to me
[19:56] <superfly> The oh-my-vim install script doesn't work correctly at the moment, thanks to the version of virtualenv it downloads, but come ask me and I'll get you up and running
[19:56] <Squirm> But alas, osx
[19:57] <gremble> Can't you get unix stuff running on osx through brew, or does it have to be prebuilt and specially packaged?
[19:57] <gremble> (I have no idea how those things work)
[19:58] <Squirm> gremble: It depends. Not everything is on brew
[19:58] <gremble> Ah
[19:58] <superfly> gremble: there's homebrew and MacPorts because of that.
[19:58] <Squirm> More of the common sourceforge packages are
[19:58] <Squirm> Not everything though :
[19:58] <Squirm> :/
[19:58] <Squirm> But it's pretty good
[19:59] <Squirm> and as simple as apt-get
[19:59] <superfly> Ya
[19:59] <gremble> Or pacman -S
[19:59] <Squirm> Haven't had to use MacPorts uet
[19:59] <gremble> :P
[19:59] <Squirm> yet*
[19:59] <Squirm> As simple as a linux package manager*
[19:59] <gremble> xD
[19:59] <superfly> I've used MacPorts, and it's slightly more like Portage
[20:00] <MaNI> my experience
[20:00] <Squirm> gremble: pick a linux application you'd like on brew?(not sure if you have a mac)
[20:00] <MaNI> macports/brew etc. are okay but expect lots of things to not work or only half work
[20:00] <gremble> I don't have a mac
[20:00] <gremble> I have a really old compaq
[20:00] <gremble> :P
[20:00] <MaNI> its not well maintained like portage or any other proper linux distro
[20:00] <Squirm> gremble: then pick something?
[20:00] <superfly> For some of the stuff I needed to recompile it, so now everything I install using MacPorts is compiled
[20:01] <gremble> Uhm. urxvt-256color
[20:01] <gremble> rxvt*
[20:01] <Squirm> lol
[20:01] <Squirm> Well that's not there :D
[20:01] <gremble> That is a shame
[20:02] <gremble> That is one of the best terminal emulators
[20:02] <gremble> :P
[20:02] <Squirm> gremble: Just found this: http://braumeister.org/
[20:03] <Squirm> But if it's there, it's easy to install
[20:04] <Squirm> Well. I should have been in bed a while ago, but it's been interesting
[20:04] <Squirm> Cheers all
[20:04]  * Squirm makes his hot water bottle
[20:04] <Squirm> CT is still coldish :/
[20:05] <Squirm> Even after the sun today
[20:05] <gremble> It is freezing in PTA
[20:05] <gremble> Cheers Squirm
[20:05] <gremble> 9.8degC atm
[20:06] <MaNI> takes more than 2 days of sun to get rid of the damp ground
[20:06] <MaNI> hope these aren't the only 2 days of sun we have in the next few weeks, I may have missed my only chance to install my solar panels :/
[20:08] <Cryterion> MaNi sunny next 3 days in dbn
[20:09] <MaNI> mon/tue apparently still sunny here in CT
[20:09] <MaNI> but we will see
[20:10] <gremble> Man up and do it in the rain
[20:10] <gremble> :P
[20:10] <MaNI> don't know how long it will take the aluminium people to fix their mistake - they delived steel to me on friday instead of aluminium, dissapointing stuff :p
[20:10] <MaNI> heh I'm not scared of rain, but I'm scared of my roof even when its sunny its quite slippery
[20:11] <gremble> You don't need your legs to use a computer, just make sure you land correctly
[20:11] <Cryterion> use rope, tie properly so you don't end up hanging yourself
[20:11] <MaNI> hehe
[20:11] <gremble> "This safery harnass is tied securely to my neck and testicles. Now I will be to scared to fall."
[20:11] <MaNI> knowing my luck I'll trip on the rope
[20:12] <gremble> Oh superfly, did you see the link that I posted for you? :P
[20:12] <MaNI> still can't believe they delivered the wrong metal
[20:13] <Cryterion> send it back rusted :)
[20:13] <MaNI> I keep trying to convince myself that I'm mistaken, and that aluminium which rusts red and attracts magnets does exist, but I just can't do it :p
[20:15] <Cryterion> I ordered MS once, then got told to collect it from a SS only supplier!, realised the f-up then and wouldn't collect
[20:16] <MaNI> I guess I should have noticed when they were offloading, but it was raining hard and lots of other chaos was going on
[20:17] <gremble> Do they have to come pick it up again?
[20:17] <MaNI> yeah
[20:18] <MaNI> well they aren't open on weekends
[20:18] <MaNI> so fighting that out is tomorrow mornings fun
[20:19] <Cryterion> Did the quote say Alu?
[20:19] <MaNI> yes
[20:19] <Cryterion> Invoice?
[20:20] <MaNI> also, I think the delivery boys just loaded the wrong thing, they are a steel place so they're probably not used to obscure orders
[20:21] <Cryterion> so shouldn't be hard to argue
[20:21] <Cryterion> you just presenting the f-up
[20:21] <MaNI> yeah
[20:21] <MaNI> I imagine it should be okay, though never know for sure, people can be weird
[20:22] <Cryterion> true
[20:23] <Cryterion> what steel co did you order from, I normally get alu through hulamin
[20:23] <MaNI> crawford steel (aspect)
[20:23] <Cryterion> hmm, don't know them
[20:24] <MaNI> couldn't find any helpful aluminium places in the area, I don't order metal often
[20:24] <superfly> gremble: I did, just haven't had the opportunity to download it
[20:25] <superfly> gremble: thanks
[20:25] <MaNI> halumin, will remember for next time :p
[20:25] <MaNI> *hulamin
[20:26] <Cryterion> ok, well hope all goes well tomorrow, try "kmg" next time, as they're the now the country wide Alu distributor
[20:26] <Cryterion> hulamin/stalcor are now kmg, kulungile metals group
[20:28] <superfly> MaNI: once it's all up and running, I might have to come and visit you.
[20:29] <MaNI> hehe
[20:30] <MaNI> I'll create a guide book or something
[20:31] <Cryterion> anyway, goodnight everyone
[20:31] <MaNI> Cryterion, I don't suppose you've ever encountered something equivalent to http://www.we-llc.com/products/weeb-washer
[20:31] <MaNI> oh you're off, nevermind then :p
[20:33] <Cryterion> best bet kmg, or get them laser-cut and bent
[20:34] <Cryterion> it's part of the alu products, so kmg would be best off shelf
[20:35] <MaNI> hehe, okay thanks, goodnight ;)


[08:29] <mdke> Mirv: if i were you i'd simply use the xsltproc solution as with the english version
[08:29] <mdke> but, if the other one works, then no sweat


[00:09] <bkerensa> slangasek: I <3 http://lintian.debian.org/ best thing since Ubuntu Harvest
[00:09] <bkerensa> ;p
[00:20] <slangasek> is it? :)
[00:20] <slangasek> I guess it's a good source of information about issues that maintainers will likely accept patches for
[00:33] <slangasek>   Unable to connect to mirrors.cat.pdx.edu:http: [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[00:33] <slangasek> shaaaame
[00:33] <bkerensa> slangasek: I like it and have as a result got some new contributions into Debian.... On another note do you know much about submittodebian? I really like the tool but it also adds a unnecessary template message to Debian Maintainers that I have to delete each time?
[00:33] <bkerensa> slangasek: osuosl.org mirror seems to be faster for me at least
[00:33] <slangasek> bkerensa: the template is there because without it, some submitters had the lovely habit of submitting patches with no explanation whatsoever
[00:34] <slangasek> I'm not enthralled with the particular template we currently have, but it's better than nothing (based on empirical experience)
[00:34] <bkerensa> slangasek: can I turn off the template since I would much rather write my own explanation each time?
[00:34] <slangasek> I don't know
[00:34] <bkerensa> lol
[00:35] <slangasek> from the source, it doesn't look like it
[00:35] <slangasek> but that would be a reasonable wishlist bug, to override the template or omit it
[00:36] <bkerensa> slangasek: unfortunately I cannot file a bug against the ubuntu-dev-tools package
[00:36] <bkerensa> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-dev-tools
[00:36] <bkerensa> :s
[00:36] <bkerensa> disregard
[01:11] <bkerensa> hi blkperl
[01:14] <bkerensa> bdmurray: so on the apport removal mp what did I remove to much of?
[01:14] <bkerensa> bdmurray: Iain Lane looked at the MP I had did for Ubuntu and said it just needed to be re-targeted
[01:46] <bdmurray> bkerensa: you removed the def doDistUpgrade function
[01:46] <bdmurray> line 21 in your mp
[01:56] <bkerensa> huh
[01:56] <bkerensa> but the function also has enableApport code in it?
[01:57] <bkerensa> bdmurray: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1068874
[01:57] <bkerensa> in the bug you said def DistUpgrade was not necessary
[01:57] <bkerensa> def DoDistUpgrade*
[02:33] <bdmurray> DoDistUpgrade in the bug description was just for context
[02:33] <bdmurray> if you read the function in DistUpgradeController.py you'll see it does a lot more
[02:34] <bdmurray> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/raring/ubuntu-release-upgrader/raring/view/head:/DistUpgrade/DistUpgradeController.py#L1082
[02:34] <bdmurray> from 1092 to 1182
[02:36] <bdmurray> so you just want to remove the bit that calls enableApport
[02:36] <bkerensa> bdmurray: ok thanks for clarification I will fix that up
[03:02] <bkerensa> bdmurray: so     if self.config.getWithDefault("Distro","EnableApport", False):
[03:02] <bkerensa>             self.enableApport()
[03:02] <bkerensa> under DoDistUpgrade I can remove those two lines?
[04:01] <blkperl> bkerensa: ?
[04:19] <bkerensa> blkperl: ??
[04:25] <c_smith> ohaithar
[04:26] <c_smith> bkerensa, would Ubuntu still count as Ubuntu if I use the setup that Cairo Dock sets up nowadays?
[04:26] <blkperl> bkerensa: oh I was responding to your "hi blkperl" at 17:11
[04:26] <c_smith> my mind is telling me yes, but would like to make sure.
[04:27] <c_smith> it's basically Cairo Dock providing most of the interface with Compiz and a tad of GNOME.
[04:27] <c_smith> which how they managed that I'll never know.
[08:51] <bkerensa> c_smith: sure its just a dock
[09:33] <cy1> woo
[09:34] <cy1> I'm back in business!
[09:34] <cy1> And I still need a laptop that doesn't suck
[16:10] <bkero> Those are available


[09:34] <AdamH> Hello all, I am trying to create a snap using the mir-kiosk-apps demo but can't get snapcraft to complete. I am following the instructions at https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/guides/mir-snaps/
[09:35] <AdamH> Staging qtchooser-config
[09:35] <AdamH> Staging qmldemo
[09:35] <AdamH> Priming qt-examples
[09:35] <AdamH> [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/adamheavens/mir-kiosk-apps/stage/qt-demos/photoviewer/photoviewer'
[09:35] <AdamH> but keep getting the above error
[09:35] <AdamH> Any ideas?
[09:43] <alan_g> AdamH: the guys that know this best are in the USA, so offline. I'm guessing that the contents of the snapcraft.yaml are out of step with the contents of qt-examples.
[09:45] <AdamH> Thanks will take a look at snapcraft.yaml and see what I can figure out.
[10:10] <alan_g> anpok_: FWIW I think I tracked down the ExternalInputDeviceHub race
[10:15] <anpok_> ok?
[10:15] <anpok_> havent looked again yet
[10:15] <alan_g> anpok_: let's give CI a chance first
[10:56] <alan_g> attente: the gtk release that just landed is nice work.
[10:56] <alan_g> I can now (just about) run an Impress presentation on miral-desktop, which was my goal for the ACCU conference in a couple of weeks.
[10:58] <attente> alan_g: great! a bit of a pity given yesterday's news though...
[10:59] <alan_g> I know. I wonder if that news gets me a bigger or smaller audience.
[10:59] <alan_g> Certainly means I need to rework a few things
[12:15]  * Laney hugs #ubuntu-mir
[14:41] <AdamH> Hello, does anybody have a simple hello work program that uses mir and Qt as a snap package? Trying to learn all the moving parts but can't get mir-kiosk-apps to create a snap using snapcraft
[14:42] <alan_g> AlbertA: ^
[14:47] <AlbertA> AdamH: what issues are you hitting?
[14:48] <AdamH> AlbertA: I am following the instructions at https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/guides/mir-snaps/ but get the following error when running snapcraft [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/adamheavens/mir-kiosk-apps/stage/qt-demos/photoviewer/photoviewer'
[14:49] <AlbertA> AdamH: which version of ubuntu are you using? I usually use an lxd container with xenail + the overlay ppa
[14:50] <AlbertA> https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay
[14:51] <AdamH> I am using xenail. I will have a look at the overlay ppa, thanks.
[15:00] <AdamH> AlbertA: Thank you sir, worked without issue once I installed the overlay ppa!
[15:00] <AlbertA> AdamH: great!
[15:01] <AdamH> ls


[03:24] <urlwolf> I shouldn't remove pulseaudio from my system (12.10), right?
[03:24] <urlwolf> It's fighting for control with jack
[03:24] <urlwolf> life is miserable
[03:27] <urlwolf> this is old, but maybe a solution? http://www.ubuntugeek.com/fix-for-all-pulseaudio-related-issues.html
[07:12] <yefim323> hey guys
[07:13] <yefim323> how popular is this distro?
[07:23] <yefim323> ...?
[07:42] <dreamer_> hello
[07:44] <dreamer_> is anybody up there ?
[07:46] <dreamer_> yohooooo
[07:55] <dreamer_> ???
[07:59] <dreamer_> لعغس
[07:59] <dreamer_> guys
[08:28] <dreamer_> hi
[08:39] <dreamer_> so noone can reply me ?
[08:41] <antto> you haven't asked an actual question..
[08:42] <dreamer_> so can i ask now ?
[08:42] <antto> you should have asked right away
[08:44] <dreamer_> ok ok i face aproblem with the software centre and the update manager . i think they are the same , the message is : software index is broken and i guess adobe plugin caused it
[08:48] <dreamer_> so !
[08:59] <dreamer_> can anyone help me with the problem ( software index is broken )
[09:14] <dreamer_> thank you guys ^^ the answer is sudo dpkg --configure -a
[10:27] <tjingboem> i just installed US. Where can i find the clock?
[10:28] <tjingboem> found it
[10:28] <smartboyhw> tjingboem, the clock is at the top-right corner:p
[10:28] <smartboyhw> lol
[10:28] <tjingboem> no its not
[10:29] <smartboyhw> tjingboem, well you click on it...
[10:29] <smartboyhw> That's a calendar
[10:29] <smartboyhw> But the clock is right there
[10:30] <tjingboem> now i have 3 clocks
[10:31] <tjingboem> i can add a clock, but how can i remove it?
[10:31] <tjingboem> i have 4 clocks now :)
[10:33] <tjingboem> never mind
[10:33] <tjingboem> got it
[10:34] <tjingboem> i have one clock now
[10:34] <tjingboem> that late already?
[13:06] <tjingboem> i want to have a 7.1 soundcard. what card is good for working with US?
[13:10] <tjingboem> do all modern cards work with linux?
[18:09] <sirriffsalot_> Hey! Startup Disk Creator isn't detecting my usb-stick..?
[18:10] <holstein> sirriffsalot_: is anything?
[18:10] <sirriffsalot_> holstein: huh?
[18:10] <Sun`Star> does it work for other apps
[18:10] <holstein> sirriffsalot_: is anything "detecting" your usb stick?
[18:10] <Sun`Star> or the system
[18:10] <holstein> sirriffsalot_: *anything*
[18:10] <sirriffsalot_> Well.. it's clearly displayed in my file manager.. and on the desktop, and unetbootin
[18:11] <holstein> sirriffsalot_: i would just use unetbootin
[18:11] <sirriffsalot_> Don't trust it.. besides, startup disk creator is default in ubuntu, I roll with that.. :)
[18:11] <holstein> sirriffsalot_: i roll with unet.. and i use the iso's i download
[18:11] <holstein> if you want to troubleshoot the ubuntu one, try #ubuntu ..we dont change it at all
[18:12] <sirriffsalot_> holstein: using ubuntustudio though
[18:12] <holstein> sirriffsalot_: we dont change it.. its the same as the one in main ubuntu..
[18:12] <holstein> sirriffsalot_: i would, and do use unetbootin.. since it works.. and is supported in the same repos as the OS and the other tool that is not working for you
[18:13] <sirriffsalot_> holstein: humm.. reason I'm suspicious is why gparted etc detects it, but not disk creator
[18:14] <holstein> sirriffsalot_: could be anything.. if disk creator is literally the only thing that is not "detecting" it, then its likely an issue with the disk creator. as a work around, i would use unetbootin, since it works.. or ask for help with the disk creator in #ubuntu or the maintainer
[18:14] <sirriffsalot_> I guess.. Thanks :)
[18:15] <holstein> sirriffsalot_: you can do the normal troubleshooting steps. try starting from the command link and look for error output.. try as another user to eliminate issues with your user config.. reinstall the disk creator
[18:15] <holstein> command line*
[18:17] <sirriffsalot_> Another reason it's weird is that the options are doubled in unetbootin.. install ubuntu studio check disc for defects etc is listed twice!
[18:19] <holstein> sirriffsalot_: its just making its own grub.. if the options are there, and they work.. i would go for it.. if not, try one of the above 3 options i sisted.. or /join #ubuntu
[18:19] <holstein> i listed*
[18:19] <sirriffsalot_> Hehe, alright
[18:30] <wip> zequence: found a way to automagically connect pulse to jack: pacmd load-module module-jack-source channels=2; pacmd load-module module-jack-sink channels=2;
[18:30] <wip> in qjackctl settings autostart script
[18:36] <holstein> wip: it should just work now.. by default
[18:45] <zequence> Me and wip were talking about this earlier. Told him there was a manual method too
[18:45] <zequence> That's basically what the pulseaudio-module-jack does, when you start jack
[18:45] <zequence> wip: The second part of the puzzle is to have PA use the jack connections
[18:45] <holstein> O I C
[18:46] <zequence> pactl would do that
[18:46] <zequence> Or I think one can just add a config in ~/.pulse
[18:46] <zequence> The system wide config files are in /etc/pulse/
[18:55] <wip> holstein: now meaning 13.04?
[18:55] <holstein> wip: since ive been testing in 12.04.. its actually one of the first things i disable
[18:56] <holstein> wip: but, i didnt realize you guys were discussing something else
[18:56] <zequence> The installable module in deed creates the sink and source automatically, when you start jackdbus
[18:56] <zequence> But, not for jackd
[18:57] <zequence> Also, not stereo, but whatever the amount of channels you have for your device in jack
[18:57] <zequence> This has changed in 13.04. Now, the module creates a stereo connection by default, and you can change it if you want
[23:33] <airlynx> I'm stuck, installing 13.04 and it's stuck at Removing conflicting operating system files and hasn't moved in over an hour :(
[23:34] <holstein> airlynx: try 12.04 or 12.10.. 13.04 support is in #ubuntu+1 ..if it were me, i would try a different iso
[23:34] <airlynx> holstein, thanks, I was just trying to remember the 13.04 support room
[23:35] <holstein> i dont install upgrades during installation
[23:35] <airlynx> I was having serious Jack trouble and zequence mentioned that it was a known bug that was already fixed in 13.04, so I jumped the gun
[23:36] <holstein> sure.. and thats a great idea.. just dont expect it to work since its not out yet
[23:36] <airlynx> I'm gonna try my luck at ubuntu+1, probably also a known bug
[23:37] <holstein> airlynx: not if its an issue with the installer.. that'll just be breakage.. i would just get the last iso and upgrade
[23:41] <zequence> airlynx: How are you installing?
[23:41] <zequence> airlynx: We recommend you do a fresh install
[23:41] <zequence> You should at least wipe out the system partition. Make sure to back up any important files first
[23:41] <airlynx> zequence: doing fresh install over the old ext4 partition (formatting it) with a DVD
[23:41] <sirriffsalot> Hey, what is the difference betwen the "Time Bwetween Updates" and "Set CPU Speed" function with cpufreq utility programs?
[23:42] <sirriffsalot> I can't find anything on the former..
[23:42] <zequence> airlynx: So, at what poing in the installtion did you get that error?
[23:43] <zequence> never mind
[23:43] <airlynx> zequence: it just started, "Removing conflicting operating system files" is the first thing it started doing after it asks for name and info
[23:43] <zequence> airlynx: The first thing that comes to mind is if you in fact did format the partition you're installing to
[23:44] <zequence> Considering there are previous conflicting system files
[23:44] <zequence> airlynx: Which choice did you make in partitioning? did you do it manually?
[23:44] <airlynx> zequence: I was concerned about that too, but I went under "Something Else" option and selected my ext4 partition and checked the box to format it
[23:45] <zequence> weird
[23:46] <zequence> The tests so far have been good.
[23:46] <zequence> airlynx: Are you using the Beta 1? It just came out todayu
[23:46] <zequence> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/13.04/beta-1/
[23:46] <airlynx> well if it did do anything my previous installation shouldn't boot if I remove the disk and force shutdown.  I have dual boot with Windows 8 and some strange things happened with my boot sector but boot-repair fixed it fairly quickly
[23:47] <airlynx> zequence: don't remember immediately if it is beta-1, but I did download it today but from the link you sent me yesterday
[23:47] <zequence> As long as the install isn't completed, there will be no change in the boot sector
[23:47] <zequence> The link yesterday was not beta 1, all though, it should have worked fine too
[23:48] <zequence> airlynx: Could you please try beta 1, and take care during partitioning when you make your choices. then, if you have an error again, please report it to us
[23:49] <zequence> I haven't touched one of those Secure Boot machines yet, so I'm happily oblivious to those problems
[23:49] <airlynx> basically when I start the install process it doesn't detect Windows 8 on this computer, but that happened with 12.10 also
[23:49] <airlynx> and I've turned secure boot off btw
[23:50] <zequence> I have UEFI on this machine, but no secure boot. Have never tried the UEFI though. Never turn the machine off really, so no point
[23:50] <airlynx> That's what I get for buying another Toshiba
[23:52] <zequence> I have both BIOS and UEFI, to be clear
[23:52] <airlynx> is there a way to launch a terminal in the installer at this point?
[23:52] <airlynx> I'm in Firefox right now
[23:52] <zequence> I gues you can just open one from the menu
[23:53] <zequence> ctrl+alt+F1 works too
[23:53] <zequence> F7 is the X session
[23:53] <airlynx> ah, I forgot about that, thanks
[23:54] <airlynx> I can type / in firefox and use it as an impromptu file browser but I couldn't get a terminal
[23:55] <airlynx> can't mount my hdd anyhow, likely locked by the installer
[23:55] <airlynx> oh well, gonna force shutdown and try it again hoping for the best, thanks again zequence
[23:56] <zequence> airlynx: good luck


[09:01] <marcustomlinson> hey guys, any idea why this minimal program: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kCxNCvHxhy/ would result in this exception: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vZNBP5PySf/ (this was working fine last week, but seemed to break over the weekend)
[09:02] <marcustomlinson> the troublesome line appears to be "if user in cla_members:"
[09:53] <marcustomlinson> cristiangsp: sorry I was meant to ping you about ^
[10:04] <cristiangsp> after doings some checks and also checking the oops it seems that the  "if user in cla_members:" is executing a query that ends up timing out
[10:09] <marcustomlinson> yeah something broke between last week and this
[10:13] <marcustomlinson> "for user in cla_members:" results in the same error
[10:15] <cristiangsp> yeah, I assume that the iterator tries to fetch all the users in the collection and that generates query that end ups timing out
[10:19] <cristiangsp> let me check with the team to see if there is any alternative path for this or there is something that changed recently
[10:21] <marcustomlinson> cristiangsp: thanks!
 after checking with the team we do not see a specific reason why the query performed by the script should take that long. We will need further investigation, could you file a bug for it at Launchpad? Thanks!
[11:59] <marcustomlinson> cristiangsp: ok will do
[12:02] <cristiangsp> thanks!
[12:15] <cjwatson> But also the way in which you're doing that query is inherently inefficient at the moment and we'll probably want to work out some kind of recommendation for changing your code.  Not sure exactly what yet.
[23:08] <saiarcot895> Hi, in https://launchpad.net/~saiarcot895/+archive/ubuntu/flightgear-edge/+packages, the disk usage is readding 8.2 GB (above the quota of 8 GB), but I currently don't have enough in that PPA to have it be taking up that much space. I've deleted a large data package last week and it says "Removed from disk on 2021-03-26", but the download links are still there, implying it's not fully gone
[23:09] <saiarcot895> How long would it take for those files to get deleted?


[15:33] <doko_> what is holding up suitesparse & company?
[22:57] <xnox> why was libreoffice rebuild on powerpc cancelled?
[22:59]  * xnox retries libreoffice, hopefully it will be ready by morning.
[23:23] <xnox> libyaml-cpp0.3-dev package conflicts with libyaml-cpp-dev, because well it's the same headers but different mayor API series. Yet britney is not letting yaml-cpp0.3 through. What stanzas is missing to migrate? replaces? (it should be same as e.g. different versions of boost)
[23:25] <infinity> britney doesn't care about file conflicts, it cares about packages being made uninstallable.
[23:27] <infinity> xnox: The new yaml-cpp needs to be ready to migrate before yaml-cpp0.3 can, it looks like.
[23:28] <infinity>     * i386: calligra, krita, kubuntu-full, libopencolorio-dev, libopencolorio1, opencolorio-tools, python-pyopencolorio
[23:28] <infinity>     * amd64: krita, kubuntu-full, libopencolorio-dev, libopencolorio1, opencolorio-tools, python-pyopencolorio
[23:28] <infinity>     * arm64: libopencolorio-dev, libopencolorio1, opencolorio-tools, python-pyopencolorio
[23:28] <infinity>     * powerpc: libopencolorio-dev, libopencolorio1, opencolorio-tools, python-pyopencolorio
[23:28] <infinity>     * ppc64el: libopencolorio-dev, libopencolorio1, opencolorio-tools, python-pyopencolorio
[23:28] <infinity> xnox: So, either the above needs to be rebuilt against current yaml-cpp, or needs to transition to yaml-cpp0.3
[23:28] <xnox> infinity: opencolorio is building.
[23:28] <xnox> infinity: the rest is opencolorio rdeps.
[23:29] <xnox> infinity: so i'll just wait. =)
[23:29] <infinity> Why are we keeping an old yaml-cpp in the archive instead of transitioning the rdeps to 0.5?
[23:30] <xnox> infinity: because upstream is going to maintain two sets of APIs / series. One boost-powered, the other one is not. Would it help if the new one would have been a new project "boost-yaml-cpp" ? =)
[23:31] <xnox> infinity: and opencolorio is a special snowflakes, as it's mega important =)
[23:31] <xnox> infinity: they are working on a transition to 0.5 but it will not happen next year.
[23:32]  * xnox still wants avatar-like movies to be rendered using opencolorio on ubuntu clusters =)
[23:32] <xnox> infinity: all other distro's also kept 0.3.x series yaml-cpp.
[23:32] <infinity> Mmkay.
[23:42] <doko_> xnox, do you re-package that as 0.3?
[23:43] <doko_> infinity, what helds up mccs?
[23:44] <xnox> doko_: yes, in debian. yaml-cpp is 0.5 yaml-cpp0.3 is 0.3
[23:48] <infinity> doko_: Not sure.  The coinutils and suitesparse transitions might need to be hinted together, or there might be something else.  Looking.
[23:50] <xnox> icu transition seems to be entangled with haskell.... well we'll see once libreoffice/powerpc finishes building.


[02:44] <SmallwoodDR82> mythbackend doesn't seem to be running mythfilldatabase.  If I run the command manually the EPG seems fine for about 2 weeks, then I have to run it again.  Is this normally completed through a cron?
[17:10] <Patrickdk> mythbackend should never run mythfilldatabase
[17:10] <Patrickdk> normally it's run daily
[17:12] <LordDragon> whats the default samba login password?
[17:12] <LordDragon> i am trying to connect with my ubuntu user name/pass
[17:12] <LordDragon> but it refuses
[17:13] <Patrickdk> there is none
[17:13] <Patrickdk> you have to create samba users
[17:15] <LordDragon> oh ok. is there a gui for that?
[17:16] <Patrickdk> sure
[17:16] <Patrickdk> gedit /etc/samba/smb.conf
[17:27] <LordDragon> lol
[17:35] <LordDragon> before i was able to see "recordings" in my network location section of "this pc" in windows
[17:35] <LordDragon> now its gone for some reason.
[17:35] <LordDragon> thats why i was trying to connect via samba
[17:35] <LordDragon> to get it back
[17:36] <Patrickdk> dunno, I don't use windows
[20:19] <Shadow__X> you have to make sure the shares are in smb.conf


[00:50] <jrgifford__> belkinsa: I use Ubuntu server, yeah.
[17:09] <dzho> SE OH nerds, represent! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrGV7zKEdtU
[17:09] <jenni> [ Why A Dead Alkaline Battery Bounces! - YouTube ] - https://j.mp/1wbI1p0
[19:15] <andygraybeal_> se ohio, that is me!!!
[19:15] <andygraybeal_> you mean south west?
[19:15] <dzho> andygraybeal_: haha, I so do!
[19:15] <dzho> sorry!
[19:15] <dzho> east, west, whatever it takes!
[19:15]  * andygraybeal_ passes more crack rocks to dzho
[19:16] <dzho> andygraybeal_: spent a few hours in Marietta earlier this summer, fwiw, btw, etc.
[19:16] <andygraybeal_> lolBBQ
[19:16] <dzho> enjoyed seeing some of the stuff in the Campus Martius museum.
[19:17] <andygraybeal_> i never been there
[19:20] <dzho> I don't know that I'd recommend a world-spanning trip to see it, but it's worth a bit of a side trip at least.
[19:20] <dzho> if you're into history, I guess.
[21:20] <andygraybeal_> dzho, well i'll have to stop in
[21:20] <andygraybeal_> my lady like to go out and it's 35 minutes away
[21:21] <dzho> I don't know if you've ever gotten up to the Beginning Point of the US Federal Land survey near East Liverpool, but I find the connection to that history and Marietta compelling.
[21:23] <dzho> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Lands_Survey_System#History_of_the_system
[21:23] <jenni> [ Public Land Survey System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ] - https://j.mp/Wq3BJQ
[21:23] <dzho> also, how many square feet are in an acre makes much more sense when one knows about surveyor's chains
[21:27] <andygraybeal_> cool
[21:27] <andygraybeal_> i'm not that far into anything :)  i'll have a read
[22:44] <Unit193> PCLine_: Howdy.
[22:46] <PCLine_> Helo Unit193 ... And good evening.
[22:46] <PCLine_> Hows things with you ?
[22:46] <Unit193> Coffee, iced tea, and AC.  You?
[22:48] <PCLine_> Food in the Oven.  7-Up is on Ice.  So things are good.
[22:51] <PCLine_> Its been 2 weeks since I learned anything new on my Ubuntu Install.  or with Hyper-V.  or well everything.  Maybe things are not so good with me!
[22:53] <Unit193> I haven't done anything batcrap crazy in a while, I may well not be OK either.
[22:58] <PCLine_> I was hoping to have my log analyzer setup and running by now.
[23:03] <Unit193> How advanced were you thinking?
[23:03] <PCLine_> What kind of Crazy Stuff do you have to do to be ok?
[23:07] <Unit193> Don't know, but it seems I'm pretty well known for being the one that does the crazy stuff. >_>
[23:14] <PCLine_> I will leave the crazy stuff for you and I will try to Learn the Log Analyzer.  My main goal for now is just a simple Central Log Server any type of reports would be good.  then I can see what it can do and I know I will then want more.
[23:15] <Unit193> nagios? :D
[23:18] <PCLine_> I loaded this one... http://loganalyzer.adiscon.com/
[23:18] <jenni> [ Adiscon LogAnalyzer - syslog web viewer, analysis and reporting tool ] - https://j.mp/WngSTc
[23:19] <PCLine_> Well that was like 2 weeks ago.  I think thats the one I loaded.


[16:30] <tyhicks> hello
[16:30] <jjohansen> \o
[16:30] <chrisccoulson_> hi
[16:30] <jdstrand> hi!
[16:30] <mdeslaur> hi
[16:30] <jdstrand> #startmeeting
[16:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jul 15 16:30:50 2013 UTC.  The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:30] <jdstrand> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[16:30] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:31] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:31] <jdstrand> I'll go first
[16:31] <jdstrand> last week was more work on apparmor (application lifecycle, click and application confinement)
[16:31] <jdstrand> I had hoped to get openjdk-7 out, but testing took longer than expected. that should go out today
[16:32] <jdstrand> I am preparing openjdk-6 uploads now
[16:32] <jdstrand> cause of the above, I postponed patch piloting again, so I'll give it another shot this week
[16:33] <jdstrand> I have some july work items, particularly getting the evil app together for the IoM demo, and trying to drive the conversations that affect us related to that demo to conclusion
[16:33] <jdstrand> I upgraded to saucy on my main system over the weekend, and have a number of bugs to file/investigate
[16:33] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you're up
[16:34] <mdeslaur> I'm in the happy place this week
[16:34] <mdeslaur> I just published a couple of USNs
[16:34] <mdeslaur> and am currently working on php5 updates
[16:34] <mdeslaur> I have a couple of other things to test and will probably release them this week
[16:34] <mdeslaur> after that, I'll continue picking stuff from the CVE list
[16:34] <mdeslaur> that's it for me
[16:34] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: you're up
[16:35] <sbeattie> I'm working on apparmor stuff this week
[16:35] <sbeattie> I'm currently working on getting the click hook prototype implementation far enough along to help drive the hook discussion to completion.
[16:36] <sbeattie> I also upgraded to saucy over the weekend, and have a couple of bugs of my own to file.
[16:36] <sbeattie> I think that's it for me.
[16:37] <sbeattie> tyhicks: you're up
[16:37] <tyhicks> I'll be updating the apparmor parser according to the DBus/IPC syntax that we decided on last week
[16:38] <tyhicks> I upgraded to saucy and need to take a look at some new AA dbus denials
[16:38] <tyhicks> Then content-hub should be at a good place for me to start on the Content Handler work items
[16:39] <tyhicks> I also need to find a little time for ecryptfs patch reviews
[16:39] <tyhicks> that's it for me
[16:39] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[16:39] <jjohansen> I am working on apparmor WIs this week, I am going to try and get some parser cleanups (and fixes collisions with tyhicks work) and changes for ipc out this week, before my long weekend (I'm off M,T next week).
[16:41] <jjohansen> I also need to start pushing the apparmorfs changes upstream (for 3.12) now that the merge window for 3.11 has closed
[16:42] <jjohansen> I think thats it for me chrisccoulson your up
[16:42] <chrisccoulson> hi :)
[16:43] <chrisccoulson> note, i've just had a couple of short weeks (was away last monday, and the last 2 days of the week previous)
[16:43] <chrisccoulson> i got another flash update out last week
[16:44] <chrisccoulson> also attended a call to talk about the UA string for the mobile browser. we're going to have a further call with someone from mozilla soon
[16:44] <chrisccoulson> did some more work on oxide (what i've got is actually buildable now!)
[16:44] <chrisccoulson> i'm hoping to have it sort-of working sometime next week
[16:45] <chrisccoulson> i'm going to arrange a meeting for all stakeholders of that this week
[16:45] <mdeslaur> \o/
[16:45] <jdstrand> re oxide building> woo!
[16:45] <chrisccoulson> i think that's me done
[16:45] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[16:46] <jdstrand> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[16:46] <jdstrand> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[16:46] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libuser.html
[16:46] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/gnucash.html
[16:46] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/salt.html
[16:46] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/alien-arena.html
[16:46] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/php-letodms-core.html
[16:46] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[16:46] <jdstrand> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[16:56] <jdstrand> mdeslaur, sbeattie, tyhicks, jjohansen, chrisccoulson: thanks!
[16:56] <jdstrand> #endmeeting
[16:56] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Jul 15 16:56:21 2013 UTC.
[16:56] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-07-15-16.30.moin.txt
[16:56] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-07-15-16.30.html
[16:56] <mdeslaur> thanks jdstrand!
[16:56] <tyhicks> thanks
[16:56] <jjohansen> thanks jdstrand
[16:57] <sbeattie> thanks jdstrand
[19:01]  * Laney shines the DMB's logo into the sky
[19:01] <Laney> (it's a turtle)
[19:02] <ScottK> \o
[19:03] <ScottK> What's on the agenda for today?
[19:03] <Laney> Only actioning someone who will do it to write up the proposal
[19:04] <Laney> Or we could take the time to do some of it right now
[19:04]  * tumbleweed sees we are due for a CC catch-up this week
[19:04]  * stgraber waves
[19:04] <Laney> since we're all free for an hour, yes?
[19:04] <tumbleweed> right now has my vote (better than never)
[19:04] <Laney> someone set us up the pad
[19:08] <ScottK> Now is good.  I'm on vacation this week, so my IRC will be very intermittent and I'm here now.
[19:08] <Laney> I just sat down outside with $beer and $laptop and now I have to go and find $yubikey
[19:08]  * Laney slaps SSO
[19:10] <Laney> OK, let's just use the existing one then: http://pad.ubuntu.com/dmb-ppu-membership-proposal
[19:33] <Laney> Dinner's beeping
[19:33] <Laney> someone take over what I was writing for 5 minutes?
[19:34]  * ScottK need to take a short break too.
[19:37] <Laney> OK
[19:39] <ScottK> Back
[19:42] <Laney> I'm not sure if this paragraph actually represents the consensus
[19:42] <Laney> please sanity check it
[19:42] <Laney> (the last one I've written)
[19:43] <micahg-work> I think it reflects the vote, I'm not sure it reflects consensus
[19:43] <Laney> haha
[19:43] <Laney> Like, should we enumerate the initial list of sets
[19:43] <Laney> or is it "packages on any media"?
[19:43] <Laney> or ...?
[19:43] <micahg-work> oh, surely
[19:43] <micahg-work> to enumeration
[19:44] <micahg-work> no, I don't think packages on any media should be a requirement
[19:44] <ScottK> Is there such a thing as "non-uploading dev members"?
[19:44] <micahg-work> ScottK, yes, formerly universe contributors
[19:44] <ScottK> Line 42 now.
[19:44] <ScottK> Ah, right.
[19:44] <ScottK> They are members, but not ubuntu-dev.
[19:45] <micahg-work> right
[19:45] <micahg-work> I
[19:45] <Laney> omg
[19:45] <Laney> I don't know what to write
[19:45] <Laney> approve/????
[19:45]  * Laney fails at english
[19:45] <Laney> approve/disapprove sounds weird to me
[19:45]  * ScottK rewords
[19:46] <Laney> thanks
[19:46] <ScottK> Not sure we're on the same thing.
[19:46] <Laney> oh, the thing about asking the TB to do something with it
[19:47] <barry> Laney: "adopted or revised"?
[19:47] <Laney> I reworded it to not make me have to decide :P
[19:48] <barry> :)
[19:48] <ScottK> There.
[19:48]  * ScottK fixed it harder
[19:48] <Laney> ta
[19:49] <Laney> that's me more or less out of steam
[19:49] <Laney> so feel free to improve it from here
[19:49] <micahg-work> ssh laney; sudo apt-get install steam
[19:49] <Laney> heh
[19:50] <Laney> I had to /remove/ that because my SSD ran out of space
[19:50] <Laney> (because I've given over half of it to GameOS for steam... :P)
[19:52] <ScottK> Who's in favor of these proposed amendments?
[19:52] <micahg-work> o/
[19:53] <tumbleweed> vaguely in favour of 1. fairly ambivilant about 2
[19:54] <ScottK> I'm strongly against #1.
[19:54] <stgraber> I'm against both
[19:54] <ScottK> non-developers shouldn't be voting for the DMB/TB.
[19:54] <micahg-work> ScottK, #2 is for developers without upload rights
[19:55] <ScottK> I'm at least slightly ambivalent about that one.
[19:55] <tumbleweed> re #1, these are developers, just not uploaders
[19:55] <ScottK> I'm mostly against though.
[19:55] <barry> i'm against #2
[19:55] <micahg-work> oops, did I get my number wrong
[19:55] <micahg-work> I meant 1
[19:55] <ScottK> If UCD can vote for DMB, then they can also vote for/against the DMB people that will approve their eventual dev application.
[19:56] <barry> it seems like #1 should be in favor though, right?  members even if they're not developers, should get a vote?
[19:56] <ScottK> That's pretty backwards.
[19:56] <tumbleweed> ScottK: s/UCD/PPU/ and does it actually change anything?
[19:56] <ScottK> barry: membership gets you a vote in the CC election.
[19:56] <ScottK> UCD can't vote to DMB/TB now.
[19:56] <micahg-work> ScottK, why can't you say the same about PPU?  according to that, only core-dev should vote for DMB/TB
[19:58] <ScottK> Someone with PPU + membership has a combination of assessed technical capability and sustained contribution to the project that make it appropriate, IMO, for them to vote for TB/DMB.
[19:58] <ScottK> Neither PPU without member nor UCD have both those.
[19:58] <ScottK> Neither should vote for DMB/TB.
[19:58] <micahg-work> ScottK, why is it any different from a non-uploading DD having a vote in project elections
[19:58] <ScottK> Project elections are more like the CC vote, where they do have a vote.
[19:59] <micahg-work> GRs can be technical though?
[20:00] <ScottK> True.
[20:00] <tumbleweed> UCD aren't equivalent to non-uploading DDs (nwhich is a horrible term)
[20:00] <ScottK> We don't have an equivalent of a GR though.
[20:00] <tumbleweed> they got membership through devolpment, just not upload rights
[20:01] <tumbleweed> non-uploading DDs don't need upload rights because they aren't developers
[20:01] <ScottK> Changing who votes for TB/DMB isn't needed to solve the problem of separating membership from PPU.
[20:02] <tumbleweed> agreed
[20:02] <micahg-work> true
[20:02] <ScottK> Since it is controversial, I propose we drop it for now and focus on only the changes we really need to accomplish this goal.
[20:02] <stgraber> +1
[20:02] <barry> +1
[20:05] <micahg-work> ok, I removed it, I'll mull it over a bit more, if I feel it's worth doing, I'll make a proposal once this is done
[20:05] <ScottK> For the core-packages/membership question, I think it's fair to have a rule that says they generally do, but there may be exceptional cases.
[20:06] <micahg-work> well, I think it should be the exceptional case where membership is required, if we don't trust the person to be uploading, then we don't trust them
[20:07] <ScottK> For individual packages, I can see that.
[20:07] <tumbleweed> on the whole, our actively involved developers should be members
[20:07] <tumbleweed> bleh, let me not start down that road
[20:07] <ScottK> No, I agree with that.
[20:08] <tumbleweed> I don't see the membership thing as a trust thing
[20:08] <micahg-work> right, the goal isn't the build an army of non-member developers here, but rather to let them start helping if they have the skills on the path to membership IMHO
[20:08] <tumbleweed> but I guess some people do
[20:08] <tumbleweed> right
[20:08] <ScottK> micahg-work: One can help without upload rights.
[20:09] <ScottK> Generally core packages won't be the "DD who has a vague interest in making sure his packages work on Ubuntu" case
[20:11] <micahg-work> right, but it could be a DD who also uses Ubuntu and wishes to help keep things running smoothly
[20:12] <ScottK> If that's the case, they'll probably usually qualify for membership.
[20:12] <micahg-work> not necessarily
[20:13] <Laney> I was hoping the vote would mean we didn't have to reopen this question
[20:14] <ScottK> I think we can decide on a case by case basis if it's needed or not.
[20:15] <micahg-work> core has a bunch of stuff that seemingly doesn't belong, but I guess those are bugs
[20:16] <ScottK> Or reasonable cases for exceptions.
[20:16] <Laney> Can we avoid seeming arbitrary and/or confusing if there are exceptions?
[20:20] <ScottK> Either way, I don't think we should block on getting this exactly right.
[20:21] <ScottK> No, but so what.
[20:22] <ScottK> Any time the DMB applies judgment, some will see it as being arbitrary.
[20:22] <ScottK> It's not an avoidable problem.
[20:22] <tumbleweed> yeah
[20:22] <tumbleweed> so, are we done?
[20:23] <ScottK> Can someone who's not me or micahg-work write something in there about discretion about if core package PPU needs membership or not?
[20:23] <ScottK> Then I think we're done.
[20:24] <Laney> I suppose it's not so bad if we're not expecting people to explicitly say they want membership all the time
[20:25] <ScottK> I'd expect to discuss it with the applicant if there was doubt.
[20:30]  * ScottK has to go.
[20:31] <Laney> OK I added a ()sentence about it
[20:32] <Laney> everyone read it over and I'll send it some time this week
[20:32] <barry> Laney: thanks
[20:32] <tumbleweed> yeah
[20:32] <micahg-work> Laney, thanks
[20:33]  * tumbleweed will re-read tomorrow. knackered, going to bed
[20:33] <Laney> nn


[19:50] <EmmaSystem76Chic> Hi guys! Is anyone actively chatting? I had some questions but I'll just e-mail the list if no one is available
[20:02] <screen-dsuch> EmmaSystem76Chic: well I'm here but I'm only a lurker :) you better send it to the list


[09:05] <mup> PR snapd#11977 closed: many: preparations for revision authority cross checks including device scope <snap-revision-delegation> <Created by pedronis> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11977>
[09:56] <mup> PR snapd#11981 opened: bootloader/assets: add ttyS0,115200n8 to grub.cfg <Run nested> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11981>
[13:36] <mup> PR snapd#11982 opened: tests: remove leaking `pc-kernel.snap` in `repack_kernel_snap` <Simple 😃> <Run nested> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11982>
[14:57] <lissyx> wondering how snaps are supposed to get access to nvidia gpu?
[15:13] <ogra> like anything else
[15:14] <ogra> (there is an opengl interface snaps can use to get access to the respective bits on the host ... beyond that the procedure does not differ from debs or tarballs)
[15:58] <lissyx> ogra, there's a bug where someone has a NVIDIA GPU and it's not being used for WebRender
[15:59] <lissyx> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1762113
[16:07] <mup> PR snapd#11983 opened: Ubuntu 22.04 nested core save <Test Robustness> <Run nested> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11983>
[16:37] <mup> PR snapd#11984 opened: tests: add `debug:` section to `tests/nested/manual/connections` <Test Robustness> <Run nested> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11984>
[17:00] <mup> PR snapcraft#3843 opened: parts: Do not import craft_parts.packages.deb until needed <Created by valentindavid> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3843>
[17:22] <mup> PR snapd#11985 opened: tests: fix `core20-new-snapd-does-not-break-old-initrd` test <Run nested> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11985>
[18:55] <mup> PR snapcraft#3843 closed: parts: Do not import craft_parts.packages.deb until needed <Created by valentindavid> <Merged by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3843>
[20:39] <tuxayo> IIUC about snaps, snapcraft.io has part of the source code libre[1] but not the backend, is that correct?
[20:39] <tuxayo> [1] https://github.com/canonical-web-and-design/snapcraft.io
[20:39] <tuxayo> hi :)
[20:39] <tuxayo>  * IIUC about snaps, snapcraft.io has part of the source code libre[1] but not the backend, is that correct?
[20:39] <tuxayo> [1] https://github.com/canonical-web-and-design/snapcraft.io
[20:40] <tuxayo> I'm trying the get a grasp of the snap ecosystem (and what is not libre). That is, the list of all the components that are in it.... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/2a76f0906fd6ea3d1c07e15252be3772f3ca014e)
[20:58] <ogra> tuxayo, better try the forum for such questions ...
[21:04] <tuxayo> Thanks, so this https://forum.snapcraft.io/c/other/1 (with this category?)
[21:04] <tuxayo> * so this? https://forum.snapcraft.io/c/other/1
[21:06] <ogra> try the store category ....
[21:43] <tuxayo> ogra: well my whole question is about all the snap specific software that make infrastructure. From end to end.


[04:19]  * InHisName Yawn at contanimated pin sticking incident
[09:08] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:08] <rmg51> Morning JonathanD
[09:10] <JonathanD> hey rmg51
[09:11] <rmg51> o/
[10:56] <InHisName> morning
[14:19] <ChinnoDog> I wish I had some bacon
[14:19] <ChinnoDog> Uncured applewood bacon from Trader Joe's was so awesome.
[14:27] <ssweeny> mmm bacon
[15:01] <InHisName> did you guys check out the bacon wootoff on woot 2 days ago ?
[15:02] <InHisName> they had honey encrusted bacon, bacon lollipops, and more
[15:37] <ChinnoDog> bacon lollipops... ugh
[15:37] <JonathanD> bacon encrusted bacon?
[17:19] <ChinnoDog> My sshd just failed and then restarted
[17:19] <ChinnoDog> :-\
[17:19] <ChinnoDog> I couldn't get back in for about 30 seconds
[17:21] <ChinnoDog> Aug 23 13:17:11 spork sshd[576]: error: fork: Cannot allocate memory
[17:22] <ChinnoDog> I was trying to upload a plugin through wordpress at the time. I guess my web site ate all my memory?
[17:27] <ChinnoDog> Yup. php-fpm did it.