[01:36] <superm1> laga, here?
[01:39] <tgm4883> superm1!!!
[01:41] <superm1>  tgm4883, !
[01:41] <tgm4883> :( I have no upside down !
[01:41] <tgm4883> I hope you have a speech prepared
[01:41] <superm1> well you can copy and paste mine
[01:41] <superm1> and use it in the future?
[01:42] <superm1> why ?
[01:42] <tgm4883> we're calling a press conference because today is now the day we have had the most visitors at mythbuntu.org
[01:42] <superm1> haha
[01:42] <tgm4883> iso's are soon to follow
[01:42] <superm1> i haven't logged into analytics for a few hours
[01:43] <tgm4883> throwing out the anonmilies, we push around 30 ISO's an hour
[01:43] <superm1> interesting and 80 percent new visits too
[01:43] <tgm4883> yes
[01:44] <tgm4883> we have a lot of china visits recently
[01:44] <superm1> so i see, out of bejing and shanghai
[01:45] <tgm4883> 247 today, second behind the US and France
[01:45] <tgm4883> Daviey, Laga, how are you going to let France beat you?
[01:46] <superm1> hm a referal from quebecos.com
[01:46] <tgm4883> superm1, Daviey wanted to put the torrents on our server and count that too
[01:46] <superm1> is where we got a lot of people
[01:46] <tgm4883> yes, that and cnbeta
[01:46] <tgm4883> or is it betacn
[01:46] <tgm4883> thats the chinese one
[01:47] <tgm4883> I'm not sure how good of stats we would get from that though, as our torrents have hit a number of other torrent sites
[01:49] <superm1> well majoridiot's torrent box has seeded 2100% of the i386 torrent and 800% of the amd64 torrent
[01:49] <superm1> wheatever that means
[01:49] <superm1> or whatever even
[01:49] <tgm4883> nice
[01:50] <hansoffate|work> wow
[01:50] <tgm4883> that probably means 21 i386 isos and 8 amd64 isos
[01:50] <MitoTranin> superm1: that just means that you've uploaded 2100% of what you downloaded
[01:51] <tgm4883> MitoTranin, well, 2100% of the size of the torrent
[01:51] <tgm4883> cause you don't have to download the torrent via bittorrent
[01:51] <MitoTranin> tgm4883: well... yeah
[01:51] <superm1> yeah it was wget'ed from uk.cdimages.mythbuntu.org
[01:51] <superm1> 11 MB/s download
[01:51] <therethinker> Wiw
[01:52] <tgm4883> superm1, did you get my latest forward regarding the mirror?
[01:52] <therethinker> s/Wiw/Wow...
[01:52] <superm1> tgm4883, yeah but i've been working on hw all night
[01:52] <superm1> so haven't responded to much
[01:52] <tgm4883> thats cool, just wanted to make sure you got it
[01:52] <tgm4883> also, foxbuntu's mirror was never taken out of rotation
[01:52] <tgm4883> he is us-il right?
[01:53] <superm1> he's supposed to still be in
[01:53] <superm1> he fixed things
[01:53] <MitoTranin> it's not fixed
[01:53] <tgm4883> nope
[01:53] <tgm4883> still broke
[01:53] <superm1> wha?
[01:53] <pdragon> hmm... still gettin the tracker error 3 even with a linuxtracker account. oh well
[01:54] <tgm4883> I was doing a test of the script and it was still broken when it came to him
[01:54] <superm1> ha
[01:54] <superm1> you're right
[01:54] <superm1> way to go foxbuntu
[01:55] <superm1> there he should be taken out now
[01:55] <tgm4883> ok
[01:57] <laga> re
[01:57] <laga> superm1: pong
[01:57] <superm1> tgm4883, after you're done with the rest of the h.u.c pages, would you want to handle some more info at http://www.mythbuntu.org/about ?
[01:57] <superm1>  laga, !
[01:57] <tgm4883> sure what info?
[01:57] <superm1> tgm4883, something more substantial.
[01:58] <tgm4883> yea I can do that
[01:58] <superm1> Perhaps refer a little about what the underlying projects are
[01:58] <superm1> about myth
[01:58] <superm1> about xfce
[01:58] <tgm4883> I'll make it sweet
[01:58] <superm1> and some neat side screenshots
[01:58] <tgm4883> and it will find it's way to wikipedia too :)
[01:58] <superm1> yeah that's what i was thinking :)
[01:58] <superm1> once its here, its a copy and paste to wikipedia
[01:58] <tgm4883> btw, we need to update that picture on there
[01:58] <superm1> yeah we do
[01:58] <superm1> laga, i saw you pushed a few more updates for mcc
[01:58] <laga> superm1: whats up?
[01:58] <laga> yes
[01:59] <tgm4883> i was going to update it, but stopped when I starting reading about licensing and such for pictures
[01:59] <superm1> laga, i was going to ask why you have a sep check box for "Enable experimental options"
[01:59] <superm1> why not just have a title, "Experimental Options"
[02:00] <laga> to make it harder for people to break stuff
[02:00] <superm1> haha.
[02:00] <superm1> click here, and *then* you can break stuff
[02:00] <laga> heh
[02:00] <laga> i'd look better if the following options were intended, though.
[02:00] <superm1> well it still has parser errors fyi
[02:00] <superm1>   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/MythbuntuControlCentre/core.py", line 1275, in on_enable_experimental_options_toggled
[02:00] <superm1>     if self.config.get("mythbuntu","mysql_tweaks_enabled") == "True":
[02:00] <superm1>   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/ConfigParser.py", line 520, in get
[02:00] <superm1>     raise NoOptionError(option, section)
[02:00] <superm1> ConfigParser.NoOptionError: No option 'mysql_tweaks_enabled' in section: 'mythbuntu'
[02:00] <laga> btw, i'm gonna add tooltips to those options and add a text telling the user to move their mouse over the option to view it
[02:01] <superm1> Traceback (most recent call last):
[02:01] <laga> oh.
[02:01] <laga> thanks.
[02:01] <superm1> and nicely enough apport comes and tells you that there is a crash report and all
[02:01] <laga> yes
[02:01] <laga> which is totally annoying.
[02:01] <laga> but oh well
[02:01] <laga> heh
[02:02] <superm1> well but it will be incredibly useful
[02:02] <superm1> for finding $stuff that needs idiot proofing
[02:02] <superm1> someone can screw something up, and then send us backtraces
[02:02] <laga> those bugs reports are usually set as private. i reported a crash in npviewer.bin (flash related stuff) and it got marked as a duplicate.
[02:02] <laga> got the following email:
[02:02] <superm1> well as long as your bug contact on the package
[02:02] <superm1> you still get them
[02:02] <laga> "Well, I can not verify if this bug is a duplicate or not since the other bug is marked private and therefore I HAVE NO ACCESS TO IT!
[02:03] <laga> THIS IS A PUBLIC BUG!
[02:03] <laga> Either change the duplicate to the other bug or make it PUBLIC!!!"
[02:03] <laga> some people are just lovely
[02:03] <superm1> its a genuine safety concern though
[02:03] <laga> superm1: i know, i'm not complaining about workflow or priavcy right now, i'm complaining about idiocy ;)
[02:03] <therethinker> Do you want me to do the tooltips?
[02:04] <laga> therethinker: do you know what to put in there? :)
[02:04] <therethinker> Er...
[02:04] <therethinker> Guessing is always fun :P
[02:04] <laga> heh
[02:04] <laga> "dude, don't ever do this. it's gonna break"
[02:04] <laga> :)
[02:05] <therethinker> Also, is there something wrong with my glade or .glade's?
[02:05] <therethinker> All the tabs are just dummy windows...
[02:05] <laga> therethinker: adding the tooltips is not hard, it's just one click away in glade-3 so i'm just gonna do it myself. i can show youhow to do it if you're interesting in the general procedure
[02:05] <superm1> therethinker, double click the "dummy_window"
[02:05] <laga> therethinker: that's normal
[02:05] <superm1> and you will see it
[02:05] <laga> superm1 was too lazy to name them properly
[02:05] <superm1> no they are really dummy_window's
[02:05] <therethinker> :P
[02:05] <superm1> the way they work
[02:05] <superm1> it never uses the top level of them
[02:05] <laga> excuses.
[02:05] <laga> ;)
[02:06] <therethinker> They're named after their creator?
[02:06] <laga> rotfl
[02:06] <superm1> its very similar to what i implemented in ubiquity upstream
[02:06] <superm1> lol
[02:06] <superm1> okay now.....
[02:06] <therethinker> And they describe who can't open them (moi)
[02:06] <laga> so, i impressed the girlfriend when i claimed i can stream a DVD from my normal computer to the bedroom frontend (which doesnt have a DVD drive).
[02:06] <superm1> therethinker, did you end up investigating mythpython and ubiquity's partitioner?
[02:06] <laga> except that VLC didn't really like the DVD.
[02:07] <therethinker2> I was looking into the partitioner
[02:07] <superm1> vlc has been unstable for me lately on gutsy
[02:08] <therethinker2> but I couldn't find where to edit the recipies
[02:08] <therethinker2> But I made a recipie
[02:08] <therethinker2> Even though I cant spell "recipe" for my life
[02:08] <superm1> yeah i dont know about that stuff at all
[02:09] <therethinker2> Ah
[02:09] <therethinker2> I hunted around in the trunk, and they'res nothing. From what I understand, I think it installs the partitioner... so we'll need to investigate
[02:09] <therethinker2> we'll = me
[02:10] <laga> for some reason, mythplugins haven't been built for feisty lately. blah.
[02:11] <superm1> laga, remind me what else you wanted to put in that last mythtv upload
[02:11] <superm1> translations
[02:11] <superm1> and that was it?
[02:11] <therethinker2> laga: did you say you'd show me how that's done? I'd like to know ;-)
[02:11] <therethinker2> when you get time
[02:11] <sslashes> is there a jumpoint key to get to "Watch Recordings"?
[02:12] <superm1> sslashes, you can set one
[02:12] <superm1> in mythcontrols
[02:12] <laga> so, to sum up: start bedroom frontend. find out that you're running the broken kernel you thought you'd downgraded. find out that your backend has already shutdown again. find out that mythvideo won't work. find out that vlc will only stream the DVD menu after you've manually fired up mplayer.
[02:12] <laga> thank god for hardware dvd players.
[02:12] <laga> therethinker2: yes
[02:12] <laga> therethinker2: wait a second
[02:12] <sslashes> superm1: mythcontrols?  is that the same as adding jumpoints in the jumpoints table in mythconverg?
[02:13] <superm1> sslashes, probably.  but it has a very nice frontend
[02:13] <superm1> its a full out myth plugin
[02:13] <sslashes> superm1: ok, thanks
[02:13] <therethinker> feel free to just call me trt or something while we're actively discussing, I look when its not directed @ me, so I'll still see it
[02:14] <laga> therethinker2: open glade-3, load tab_advanced.glade for example, double-click dummy_window, click on one of the checkboxes, select "common" on the right, select "has tooltip" and enter stuff in "tooltip markup" and "tooltip text"
[02:14] <laga> therethinker2: i type "th" and hit TAB; even shorter :P
[02:14] <sslashes> superm1: ok, i installed the plugun and, after looking through the list, there is nothing that suhects the "my recordings" option
[02:15] <superm1> sslashes, jumpoints->previously recorded
[02:15] <superm1> ?
[02:15] <superm1> or maybe TV Recording Playback
[02:15] <therethinker2> see it
[02:15] <tgm4883> yes therethinker much shorter
[02:15] <sslashes> here is a "Previously Recorded" option, but that shows everything recorded in the past, even items deleted - i want to get to Media Library > Watch Recordings
[02:15] <tgm4883> i learned about that last week
[02:16] <tgm4883> superm1, therethinker therethinker2 laga Daviey tgm4883 :)
[02:16] <tgm4883> hehe
[02:16] <therethinker2> :P
[02:16] <therethinker2> tgm4883: cool
[02:16] <tgm4883> you guys are going to regret showing me that
[02:16] <therethinker2> I never new about that, laga
[02:16] <laga> i already regret knowing you. no worries.
[02:16] <superm1> i still cant believe you always typed everyone's full names
[02:16] <therethinker2> me?
[02:16] <sslashes> superm1: t
[02:16] <tgm4883> me
[02:16] <laga> no, tgm4883
[02:16] <laga> of course
[02:16] <laga> ;)
[02:16] <therethinker2> Naw, I used 3rd button c/ping
[02:17] <sslashes> superm1: TV Recording Playback was it - thanks
[02:17] <tgm4883> thats ok, laga still hasn't answered my last question
[02:17] <superm1> cool np sslashes
[02:17] <tgm4883> how can you let france beat germany?
[02:17] <tgm4883> just seems wrong
[02:17] <laga> where?
[02:17] <laga> in WWII?
[02:17] <tgm4883> heh, thats funny
[02:17] <tgm4883> no
[02:17] <tgm4883> in visits to mythbuntu.org today
[02:18] <therethinker> :P
[02:18] <laga> probably their IPTV stuff
[02:18] <laga> :P
[02:18] <tgm4883> France beat anybody in a way.  Your funny laga.  i'm going to have to remember that
[02:18] <tgm4883> s/way/war
[02:18] <therethinker> you mean s/anybody/nobody?
[02:19] <pdragon> s/a/any
[02:19] <therethinker> France beat nobody in any war.
[02:19] <therethinker> That's the current revision
[02:20] <therethinker> I'm going to branch it, and make it "France has never won a war"
[02:20] <pdragon> i was going with France beat anybody in any way and going with the whole sarcasim that was in that statment
[02:20] <tgm4883> so
[02:20] <tgm4883> how is the weather
[02:20] <therethinker> yes
[02:20] <laga> i live close to the french border, btw
[02:20] <therethinker> weatherly
[02:20] <tgm4883> laga, you mean future germany
[02:20] <laga> :/
[02:21] <tgm4883> my GF is german sorta but not really
[02:21] <therethinker> How's life, tgm4883?
[02:22] <therethinker> No more freedom toast for you mister!
[02:22] <tgm4883> oh this somehow needs to disappear from the logs :(
[02:23] <superm1> laga, u didn't answer my question.
[02:23] <tgm4883> arg, im tired of doing math
[02:23] <therethinker> Math = fun
[02:23] <therethinker> Damn, messed up my math again
[02:23] <therethinker> Its suppost to be Math =/= fun... but I'm not good so I messed up
[02:24] <therethinker> s/=/=/!=
[02:24] <laga> superm1: sorry. translations and a bit fat warning not to mess with anything in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt inside that file maybe
[02:24] <tgm4883> :( it should be Halo 3 time :(
[02:24] <therethinker> laga: Good plan
[02:24] <superm1> laga, i'm going to be very busy this upcoming week, so i'll try to pull that stuff tomorrow then
[02:26] <laga> superm1: i'll try to have translations merged by the time you get up.
[02:27] <laga> superm1: into the fixes branch that is
[02:27] <superm1> laga, okay cool
[02:27] <superm1> laga, you pulling them from rosetta then?
[02:28] <laga> superm1: yes
[02:28] <tgm4883> We have now pushed more ISO's than any other recorded day for Mythbuntu.org
[02:28] <superm1> i have a feeling we pushed more during alpha1
[02:28] <laga> superm1: btw, remember when i wanted to setup a dyndns service for mythweb.de? maybe i'm gonna transfer the domain to the yi.org guy.
[02:29] <superm1> yi.org?
[02:29] <laga> http://www.yi.org
[02:29] <laga> he's an "avid mythtv user" himself :)
[02:29] <superm1> ah neat
[02:29] <tgm4883> superm1, probably, but that wasn't recorded
[02:29] <superm1> i have mythweb.homeip.net :)
[02:29] <superm1> or had it at some point
[02:29] <superm1> i haven't updated it for a while
[02:29] <superm1> or had to use it
[02:31] <superm1> yeah that expired
[02:31] <superm1> shame
[02:31] <superm1> i had that for a long time
[02:34] <laga> shame on you! :)
[02:35] <superm1> i also used to have mythweb.d2g.com
[02:35] <superm1> man i should stay on top of these things
[02:35] <laga> yes
[02:35] <laga> they're really important for your future
[02:36] <laga> nothing's gonna get you the chicks like a nice dynamic dns host name
[02:37] <superm1> wouldn't that be gret
[02:37] <superm1> great even
[02:38] <laga> it was disgusting how those hot teenage cam whores stalked me after i registered mythweb.de
[02:38] <laga> so, right. the weather.
[02:39] <superm1> cu in the mornin
[02:39] <laga> yes, bye
[02:41] <therethinker> so
[02:41] <laga> therethinker: so, still looking for work?
[02:41] <laga> heh
[02:41] <therethinker> yeah
[02:41] <laga> ohy
[02:42] <laga> that's great
[02:42] <therethinker> I'm not desparate though :P
[02:42] <laga> heh
[02:42] <laga> well, what'd tickle your fancy?
[02:42] <therethinker> Something in Glade, maybe
[02:43] <therethinker> I'd like to play around with that
[02:43] <laga> alright
[02:43] <therethinker> otherwise, just Python stuff
[02:43] <laga> yeah, i think i got something for you.
[02:43] <therethinker2> great
[02:44] <laga> in the advanced tab, do you see the mysql repair/optimization check box? i#d like to add a button which executes said script automagically.
[02:44] <therethinker2> k
[02:44] <laga> if you don't like that, i have some other (more boring) ideas for you :)
[02:44] <therethinker2> :P
[02:46] <laga> so, do you know how you'd go about doing that?
[02:47] <therethinker> I'd add the button, then make a signal to call the script?
[02:47] <laga> yeah
[02:48] <laga> look at terminal_button to see how it's done for example
[02:48] <therethinker> that's exactly what I was doing :P
[02:48] <laga> after you enter the name of the handler in the signals screen, hit enter. otherwise it's possible it won't get saved
[02:48] <laga> heh
[02:48] <laga> good boy :)
[02:49] <therethinker> *woof*
[02:49] <laga> you probably want to grey out that button you're gonna add if mythtv-backend is not installed.
[02:49] <therethinker> okay
[02:49] <therethinker> Thanks for the help
[02:51] <therethinker> The greying out/running script is in the python file, right?
[02:51] <laga> the script that does the mysql optimization is called /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/optimize_mythdb.pl
[02:52] <laga> greying out happens in core.py, aye
[02:52] <laga> use set_sensitive(False)
[02:53] <laga> right place to add that is in find_case_for_change or whatever that function is called
[02:53] <therethinker> Ah
[02:53] <therethinker> thanks
[02:57] <therethinker2> Let me make sure I understand this code
[02:57] <laga> it'd be cool if you'd background m-c-c and fire up a terminal which runs the optimize_mythdb script
[02:57] <therethinker2> I should have the mysql blacked out by default
[02:57] <therethinker2> and then if mythbackend is installed, it will ungrey it
[02:58] <laga> yes, the new button you'll be adding.
[02:58] <laga> yes.
[03:00] <therethinker2> whats your function that loads the terminal
[03:00] <laga> look at how nvidia-settings and friends are started
[03:02] <therethinker2> they all are just launch_app
[03:03] <therethinker2> and just use os.system(...)
[03:03] <laga> check what launch_app does?
[03:03] <therethinker2> Yeah, thats all it does
[03:03] <therethinker2> it figures out what button it was
[03:04] <therethinker2> then just does os.system('command')
[03:05] <laga> yeah, just add your widget name in there then
[03:05] <therethinker2> I did :p
[03:06] <therethinker2> I was looking where to grey it out
[03:06] <laga> :)
[03:06] <therethinker2> and just found it
[03:06] <laga> oh
[03:06] <laga> o_O
[03:06] <therethinker2> what?
[03:06] <therethinker2> Am I lightnin' fasht?
[03:06] <laga> heh, nothing ;)
[03:06] <laga> yes
[03:06] <therethinker2> (or sllow)
[03:06] <laga> yep, fast
[03:06] <laga> it took me a long time to figure out mcc
[03:06] <therethinker2> :P
[03:06] <therethinker2> Ctrl+F = good
[03:06] <laga> god, it's great how you can still crave cigarettes almost one year after quitting. blah
[03:07] <laga> ah, are you using kate?
[03:07] <therethinker2> Nope
[03:07] <therethinker2> Gedit
[03:07] <therethinker2> I love gedit
[03:08] <therethinker2> although the 1024x786 px VM is very annoying :P I'm used to 2560x1024 :P
[03:09] <laga> :P
[03:09] <laga> ok, just fixed my local build system for the trunk packages,
[03:09] <laga> blah.
[03:12] <therethinker2> Okay, i think I got it
[03:12] <therethinker2> I'm compiling right now
[03:13] <therethinker2> Okay
[03:13] <therethinker2> Well, I don't have backend on this VM
[03:13] <therethinker2> so I can't test...
[03:14] <therethinker2> and this is my only Gutsy VM/box
[03:14] <laga> comment it out :P
[03:14] <therethinker2> I'll just install backend
[03:14] <therethinker2> I know that if I do that, that will be the part that won't work :P
[03:15] <laga> heh
[03:16] <therethinker2> Yep, doesn't work :P
[03:17] <therethinker2> I should be using visible for active, right?
[03:18] <laga> visible for active?
[03:18] <laga> make sense? :)
[03:19] <therethinker2> :p
[03:21] <therethinker2> Hmm... I guess active is something that cant be set from Glade...
[03:24] <laga> what does "active" mean in your part of the glade world? :)
[03:27] <therethinker2> :P
[03:27] <therethinker2> Apparently, that was only for checkboxes
[03:27] <therethinker2> active, is like greyed out or now
[03:27] <laga> do you mean set_sensitive?
[03:27] <therethinker2> s/now/not
[03:27] <therethinker2> Yeah, just figured that out :P
[03:29] <therethinker2> never ever ever learn anything from me :p
[03:29] <therethinker2> at least for a month, once I learn more about it
[03:29] <laga> i need to put away the rack pipe. i've definitely fucked up my build system which used to be working. where are my cusotimizations gone? :/
[03:29] <laga> heh
[03:29] <therethinker2> hmm
[03:31] <therethinker2> hello
[03:34] <therethinker2> okay, this is annoying me
[03:34] <therethinker2> I commented out the line that disables it
[03:34] <therethinker2> and it still is disabled
[03:35] <laga> "disabled"
[03:35] <laga> or "greyed out"? :P
[03:36] <therethinker2> greyed out
[03:36] <laga> maybe you need to set_sensitive(True) it explicitly
[03:38] <therethinker2> I do, though
[03:39] <therethinker2> How long should that thing take?
[03:39] <therethinker2> Wait, I think i have no data... so it probably went fine
[03:39] <therethinker2> Okay, I think I got it
[03:40] <therethinker2> I don't have bzr rights, do I? (I assume not :P), how should I send it to you?
[03:40] <laga> email or pastebin?
[03:40] <laga><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:41] <laga> ill take a look when i get up, its 3:30 here
[03:41] <therethinker2> Okay
[03:41] <therethinker2> sleep well
[03:42] <laga> phew, just fixed my build stuff
[03:42] <laga> finally
[03:42] <therethinker> :p
[03:43] <therethinker> sent
[03:43] <therethinker> (zachary.banks0@gmail)
[03:43] <therethinker> just so when you get a random email, you know
[03:44] <therethinker> I'm going to go myself
[03:45] <laga> got it, thanks
[03:45] <laga> you need to read up on bzr diff :P
[03:47] <laga> bye
[04:08] <tgm4883_laptop> is there a way to get times to "snap" to the nearest 5 min block in schedules?  For instance, I have some shows that insist think they are 61 minutes long and some that think they are 59 minutes long.  Is there any way to auto correct this to that it always just knows 59 means 60 and 61 means 60?
[04:10] <tgm4883_laptop> and the different episodes of the same show will be 61 minutes and 59 minutes, so I can't use the start early and end late functions
[04:31] <tgm4883_laptop> heh, either there is something wrong with the formatting in mythweather, or I should expect 339 MPH winds tomarrow
[04:31] <tgm4883_laptop> im hoping its a problem with mythweather :)
[05:02] <MythbuntuGuest03> hello
[06:01] <tgm4883_laptop> 1 more hour of stats for today
[06:03] <foxbuntu> laga, how much do you know about sql?
[06:44] <foxbuntu> laga, ping
[07:51] <ubotu> New bug: #149268 in mythtv (multiverse) "mythtv fails to connect to remote DB on inital boot" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/149268
[09:16] <Aval0n-> anyone know if there is a place to get mythtv to accept 3 digit numbers?
[10:35] <directhex|work> did someone want me? scrollback on this machine is tiny
[10:36] <superm1> whew it's late.
[10:36] <superm1> maybe?
[10:36] <superm1> directhex|work, what do you think of making Pearody the default theme for a mythbuntu install off live disk?
[10:36] <superm1> i'm starting to really like it
[10:37] <directhex|work> superm1, i've not seen it. got a screenshot?
[10:37] <superm1> http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Pear-odyTV-wideFinal.jpg
[10:38] <superm1> only problem is that its widescreen theme
[10:38] <superm1> so it looks a little squished on 4:3 displays
[10:38] <directhex|work> how much does the complete-rip-off-from-apple factor concern you, as a distro maintainer?
[10:38] <superm1> that is the other issue ;)
[10:39] <superm1> directhex|work, http://imagebin.org/10856
[10:39] <superm1> that is what it looks like on a 4:3 monitor
[10:40] <directhex|work> did gutsy suddently become remotely non-shit at doing widescreen in the last few days?
[10:42] <directhex|work> last i checked, displayconfig-gtk was hopeless at it, and that's supposedly gutsy's gold standard
[10:43] <superm1> displayconfig-gtk has changed in the last few days yes
[10:43] <superm1> for better widescreen i dont know
[10:44] <superm1> well knoppmyth is shipping with the pearody theme as of yesterday
[10:44] <superm1> in reading this http://lpg.alfy.free.fr/?tag=mythtv
[10:44] <directhex|work> pearody concerns me. linux should be celebrating its differences, not pretending to be something else
[10:46] <superm1> directhex|work, you will have to see what troy_s is working on for us
[10:46] <superm1> it will be certainly quite something else
[10:46] <directhex|work> it's not brown, is it? ;)
[10:46] <superm1> no...
[10:47] <superm1> its quite radical though
[10:47] <directhex|work> you intrigue me
[10:48] <superm1> well he doesn't want to go public with it until his next mock up
[10:48] <superm1> so i won't go into much more beyond that :)
[10:49] <DaveMorris> having an apple rip of as default isn't good
[10:49] <directhex|work> i've given up trying to work out what time zone you work to, i'm sure it's got nothing to do with the movement of the sun
[10:50] <superm1> haha
[10:50] <superm1> you know i have no idea anymore myself
[10:50] <DaveMorris> superm1: does a 28hr day
[10:51] <superm1> sounds about right
[10:51] <DaveMorris> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Abstract.jpg is nice
[10:51] <directhex|work> urgh @ juski throwing the toys out of the pram again
[10:51] <superm1> DaveMorris, that has been broke for some time afaik
[10:51] <DaveMorris> :(
[10:52] <DaveMorris> I use http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Iulius.png at hmome
[10:52] <directhex|work> iulius is horrid though!
[10:55] <superm1> i use juski's blootube on my tv
[10:55] <superm1> well blootube-wide
[10:55] <superm1> at least
[10:56] <superm1> its almost 1100 in germany, shouldn't laga be up soon?
[11:00] <directhex|work> superm1, except juski has deleted all his themes. again. and even gone the extra mile & erased them from the mythtv wiki
[11:02] <superm1> wtf?
[11:02] <superm1> they're not even in svn.mythtv.org
[11:02] <DaveMorris> they should be
[11:03] <superm1> directhex|work, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/themes
[11:03] <superm1> yeah they're right there
[11:03] <DaveMorris> but you'll need to know the revison
[11:04] <superm1> well i'm gonna head to bed for a few minutes.  laga i think i pulled the rosetta stuff right, pull the new -fixes branch from bzr and see if you think so too
[11:04] <superm1> add anythign else you want added in, and i'm gonna push first thing tomorrow morning
[11:04] <superm1> er um today morning
[11:33] <Daviey> superm1: what time is it where i am?
[11:34] <Daviey> directhex|work: did you read why he rm'd it all?
[11:35] <directhex|work> Daviey, beyond the usual bipolar behaviour?
[11:35] <Daviey> pmsl
[11:35] <Daviey> no.. wait 1
[11:36] <Daviey> He's 'angry with the world'
[11:37] <directhex|work> the usual bipolar behaviour.
[11:37] <Daviey> he'll change his mind next week
[11:37] <Daviey> he *always* does this
[11:37] <Daviey> It's up and down like a yoyo
[11:54] <frink_> hey
[11:54] <frink_> hey Daviey
[11:57] <directhex|work> Daviey, you mean.... going from one extreme to another?
[11:58] <Daviey> frink_: o/
[11:58] <Daviey> directhex|work: I mean, next week his site and theme will be back.. i'll wager money on it
[11:58] <directhex|work> Daviey, i'm not taking a bet i'll lose!
[12:03] <Daviey> heh
[12:04] <Daviey> Anyway.. i need to go.. be back this evening. tata all
[12:22] <frink_> I really need another me to work whilst I go to college.
[12:40] <therethinker> !logs
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[12:42] <frink_> !money
[12:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about money - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:43] <frink_> !life
[12:43] <ubotu> life is something very few people know about in this channel - and anyway, it's probably offtopic, perhaps you want to try #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:43] <frink_> !sex
[12:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sex - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:43] <frink_> !anything
[12:43] <ubotu> So, you wanted to lure me into saying I don't know anything about anything? Yeah, that would be funny, of course.  You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[12:43] <therethinker> !nothing
[12:43] <frink_> !nothing
[12:43] <ubotu> Saying "It says nothing", "It does nothing" is generally not very useful for troubleshooting. Please be as specific as possible: if you see a black screen, say so, if you see a shell prompt, say so, if you see an !error message, say so - Also, most !CLI commands don't print anything when they succeed, but only when they fail.
[12:43] <frink_> therethinker: great minds!
[12:43] <therethinker> :p
[12:44] <therethinker> !poking
[12:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about poking - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:44] <DaveMorris> !superm1:
[12:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about superm1: - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:44] <DaveMorris> !dr who
[12:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dr who - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:44] <therethinker> I'm surprised at that
[12:44] <therethinker> superm1:
[12:45] <ubotu> New bug: #149370 in mythvideo (multiverse) "mythvideo can't find video files on local hard disk" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/149370
[12:46] <therethinker> How lovely
[12:46] <frink_> !Pnumatology
[12:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pnumatology - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:49] <therethinker> !!
[12:50] <therethinker> !anything. I should really try getting out more, I guess. But whatever you do, don't
[12:51] <laga> re
[12:51] <therethinker> Hello, I wasn't messing up the bot, at all
[12:51] <laga> no, never
[12:51] <therethinker> !anything
[12:51] <ubotu> So, you wanted to lure me into saying I don't know anything about anything? Yeah, that would be funny, of course. Now leave me alone.
[12:51] <therethinker> that's funny :P
[12:51] <laga> ;)
[12:51] <laga> you're up early
[12:51] <laga> and i'm up late, fsck
[12:51] <therethinker> Only for a bit
[12:52] <therethinker> As in, bye now :P
[12:52] <laga> :P
[12:52] <therethinker> Bye now
[12:55] <laga> looks like we've already had 1101 downloads
[01:00] <frink_> nice
[02:26] <laga> bah, security.ubuntu.com and archive.ubuntu.com seem to have trouble here
[02:27] <directhex|work> yes, they do
[02:27] <laga> craptastic!
[02:28] <laga> for fuck's sake, why does stuff stop working whenever i need it?
[02:35] <laga> so, feisty + ubuntu-mythtv-frontend + iulius as theme results in a 47M memory footprint on my bedroom frontend. i don't think i'm gonna try gutsy  + xfce :/
[02:39] <frink_> !your mum
[02:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about your mum - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:40] <frink_> !laga's sex life
[02:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about laga's sex life - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:57] <pdragon> yep... i can't even run an apt-get update
[03:00] <laga> lirc-generator and vlc don#t work together properly here. hum.
[03:00] <laga> will file a bug later
[03:04] <Maybelline> Anyone else having trouble with a dist-upgrade? My libmyth, myth-backend-master, etc all get "Hash Sum Mismatch" errors.
[03:05] <laga> yes
[03:05] <pdragon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/148957   yup. change your repository
[03:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 148957 in mythbuntu "Apt repositories giving hash errors" [Undecided,Triaged]
[03:05] <pdragon> although, the archive.ubuntu.com ones seem to be having problems as well, right now
[03:06] <Maybelline> Yeah, I'm getting that problem, too, but only this past hour.  This Hash Sum Mismatch has gone on for a few days now.  Thanks for the Launchpad report.
[03:39] <laga> superm1: sorry, i didnt have time to merge the translations.
[03:39] <laga> superm1: i need tor un now, i'll try to get it done ASAP
[04:15] <tgm4883> frink_ you still around?
[04:32] <pdragon> ROFL!!   http://www.xkcd.com/325/
[04:36] <MitoTranin> nice...
[04:37] <MitoTranin> I went back a few and found this one, also quite nice :)  http://www.xkcd.com/323/
[04:38] <pdragon> have this one on my wall  http://xkcd.com/303/
[04:38] <MitoTranin> lol.... I like that one :)
[04:39] <MitoTranin> !compiling
[04:39] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[04:39] <MitoTranin> bah, it actually knew that one
[04:39] <MitoTranin> figured it might
[04:41] <frink_> tgm4883: Hey there
[04:41] <frink_> I am around..
[04:42] <tgm4883> hey did anyone talk to you about setting up rsync?
[04:42] <frink_> nope
[04:42] <tgm4883> sweet, hey frink_ can we setup rsync on your server
[04:42] <frink_> of course
[04:43] <tgm4883> sweet again
[04:43] <frink_> heh
[04:43] <frink_> no prob
[04:43] <MitoTranin> are we talking about rsyncing the mirrors?
[04:43] <tgm4883> we have a new mirror, but we need to rsync and we figure your server is the best for that
[04:43] <tgm4883> MitoTranin, yes, well, setting up rsync
[04:44] <MitoTranin> I don't see why we don't have all the mirrors duplicate via rsync
[04:44] <MitoTranin> that way you update any mirror, and they all get updated automatically
[04:44] <frink_> ok cool
[04:45] <frink_> MitoTranin: could be dangerous if one gets compromised
[04:45] <tgm4883> MitoTranin, right, once we get rsync setup, it will probably be done that way
[04:45] <tgm4883> also a good point
[04:45] <MitoTranin> frink_: yeah, well... that's why you have backups :)
[04:45] <MitoTranin> but yeah, I guess it would be good to do svn or something
[04:46] <tgm4883> and as long as your's doesn't get comprimised then it's still only 1 server right?
[04:46] <MitoTranin> and if needed mine can use rsync
[04:46] <bendailey> I am cheap and I only have ftp/cpanel access to my mirrors
[04:46] <MitoTranin> has anyone with a higher speed tested my cap?  I can download from it at my highest speed that I can download...
[04:47] <tgm4883> MitoTranin, what mirror?
[04:47] <MitoTranin> us-ca2
[04:48] <tgm4883> it's started at 3000, now im down around 800kb/s
[04:48] <tgm4883> 700 - 800
[04:48] <MitoTranin> my cap is 600
[04:49] <tgm4883> interesting
[04:49] <tgm4883> us-ca2
[04:49] <MitoTranin> should I say... my downloading cap at home is 600
[04:49] <MitoTranin> so I couldn't test any faster than that
[04:49] <tgm4883> ah
[04:49] <tgm4883> now im back up around 1000 again
[04:49] <tgm4883> so somewhere in there i'd say
[04:50] <MitoTranin> I'm cheap too, so it's a shared hosting service
[04:50] <tgm4883> im also updating right now
[04:50] <MitoTranin> could be changing due to other users on other vhosts
[04:50] <MitoTranin> not bad though :)
[05:40] <foxbuntu> laga, you around?
[05:44] <frank81> something is wrong with the lirc config file for the Hauppauge remote
[05:46] <MitoTranin> what's wrong with it?
[05:46] <MitoTranin> (I probably won't be able to help... but someone else might...)
[05:47] <frank81> Right now, the back/exit button doesn't do anything and the power button is doing doing the 'back' action
[05:47] <MitoTranin> nice...  there is a screen where you can edit the commands, but I don't remember where it is
[05:48] <frank81> MitoTranin: I see Power button is set to Escape in lircrc
[05:48] <frank81> MitoTranin: I guess someone muast have changed that
[05:52] <foxbuntu> frank81, which remote?
[05:52] <foxbuntu> (I wrote the library that configs the remotes)
[05:59] <DaveMorris> out of choice I might add
[06:00] <frank81> foxbuntu: It's the Hauppauge remote that comes with a PVR-150. The remote works but the behaviour changed. I need to push Power to go back in the menus because Power is mapped to Escape3
[06:00] <frank81> Escape*
[06:01] <foxbuntu> right
[06:01] <foxbuntu> I think I have the same remote
[06:01] <foxbuntu> the RC6 right?
[06:01] <frank81> foxbuntu: it used to be the Back/Exit button that did that
[06:01] <foxbuntu> perhaps I have a different one..when did this change?
[06:02] <frank81> foxbuntu: I don't see RC6 written anywhere
[06:02] <foxbuntu> on the back of the remote?
[06:02] <foxbuntu> is it the mceusb/mceusb2 module?
[06:03] <camelreef> hello everyone
[06:03] <frank81> foxbuntu: under the battery cover I see A415   and    OH/S 1-4
[06:04] <foxbuntu> idk what that is...are you using the mceusb/mceusb module?
[06:04] <foxbuntu> do this quikc
[06:04] <frank81> foxbuntu: nope
[06:04] <foxbuntu> nano /etc/lirc/lircd.conf
[06:05] <foxbuntu> it will tell you what remote config you are using
[06:06] <foxbuntu> laga, ping
[06:06] <frank81> foxbuntu: well there are configs for several Hauppauge cards in that file
[06:06] <foxbuntu> what does it say?
[06:07] <foxbuntu> I can find it off of some remotes in there
[06:08] <frank81> foxbuntu: how can I know which one it's using?
[06:08] <foxbuntu> the way our config works it doesnt care which one it is
[06:08] <foxbuntu> just give me the names
[06:08] <foxbuntu> 1 or 2 of them
[06:09] <frank81> name  Hauppauge   name  hauppauge_pvr
[06:12] <foxbuntu> ok
[06:12] <foxbuntu> I could you file a bug with that so I can build a fix for it later?
[06:12] <frank81> foxbuntu: ok
[06:12] <foxbuntu> thats could you*
[06:13] <foxbuntu> sorry had typed an I in there
[06:13] <frank81> foxbuntu: np
[06:22] <superm1> laga, no update? Tree is up to date at revision 24.
[06:36] <foxbuntu> superm1, I have issues :)
[06:36] <foxbuntu> the mcc just crashes everytime on me now
[06:36] <foxbuntu> (even rolling back to the code from launchpad)
[06:37] <superm1> foxbuntu, that means that laga's code still is broke
[06:37] <superm1> roll back to the one in gutsy
[06:38] <foxbuntu> no install candidate?
[06:38] <foxbuntu> what is the ppa link
[06:38] <foxbuntu> ?
[06:38] <superm1> its *in* gutsy
[06:38] <superm1> in the normal archive
[06:39] <foxbuntu> well I got that error from apt-get install mythbuntu-control-centre
[06:39] <superm1> what error?
[06:39] <foxbuntu> no install cand.
[06:39] <superm1> open up synaptic
[06:39] <superm1> click on the local section
[06:39] <superm1> find mythbuntu control centre
[06:39] <superm1> hit ctrl e
[06:39] <superm1> and pick the one in guts
[06:40] <superm1> gutsy
[06:40] <foxbuntu> ok
[06:44] <foxbuntu> superm1, i am a little confused...how does the main glade open the tabs, i dont see where it calls it up
[06:44] <superm1> foxbuntu, the main glade includes subtabs
[06:44] <superm1> which are other glade files
[06:44] <foxbuntu> I saw that
[06:45] <foxbuntu> but where in the mythbuntu_c_c.glade does it in clude those to open the subtab?
[06:45] <foxbuntu> I figured out how to add the button
[06:45] <foxbuntu> and I created tab_mythtv_recordings_mgr.glade
[06:46] <foxbuntu> but the button does nothign
[06:46] <foxbuntu> nothing*
[06:46] <superm1> um i thought your changes were better suited under an existing tab
[06:46] <superm1> like how laga's were going?
[06:46] <superm1> do you have enough things to justify an entire new tab?
[06:47] <foxbuntu> well there isnt enough space left over in Laga's tab
[06:48] <foxbuntu> and its really a different operation too
[06:48] <superm1> there isn't enough space?
[06:48] <foxbuntu> yea
[06:48] <superm1> then make a two column table?
[06:48] <superm1> i mean this is just something that you check a box
[06:48] <superm1> the problem is that there are two other tabs (that are disabled), and its growing into a rather large list now
[06:49] <superm1> so i'd like to avoid making too many tabs
[06:49] <foxbuntu> well its going to have a schedule option and a run now option where they enter the date
[06:50] <foxbuntu> so they can pick to remove everything before a certian date
[06:50] <superm1> sure
[06:50] <foxbuntu> and also set to remove everything older than x # of days
[06:50] <superm1> okay well if you think it will fit on another tab better fine
[06:50] <superm1> laga's stuff might be better suited there too then
[06:51] <superm1> can you bzr branch from the main branch though when you modify things?
[06:51] <superm1> so that when you bzr commit, there isn't going to be a chance of two people's broken items in there
[06:51] <superm1> and then we will merge you in after laga fixes his
[06:51] <foxbuntu> so i just bzr branch with it already down?
[06:52] <foxbuntu> I already have the code
[06:52] <superm1> well i would say bzr branch from the main url, and then copy your current (local) changes to the newly made bzr branch
[06:52] <superm1> and rm the one you have right now
[06:52] <foxbuntu> k
[06:52] <superm1> you can then revert laga's bzr commits
[06:52] <superm1> in your local branch
[06:52] <superm1> so that you can test only yours
[06:53] <superm1> and when we are ready to merge them together i'll teach you how to properly do the merge
[06:53] <foxbuntu> ok sounds good
[06:53] <foxbuntu> I will do that then
[06:53] <foxbuntu> how do I revert from the main branch?
[06:53] <foxbuntu> so I do "bzr branch http..
[06:54] <foxbuntu> then bzr revet ?
[06:54] <superm1> you'll have to look at the man page with how to use bzr revert to revert exact revisions
[06:54] <superm1> you might be able to do it easier with olive-gtk
[06:54] <superm1> or even doing bzr branch starting at my branch revision
[06:54] <superm1> you can provide a -r switch i believe
[06:54] <foxbuntu> ok
[06:54] <foxbuntu> I will give that a try
[06:55] <foxbuntu> I just noticed something about the CC
[06:55] <foxbuntu> when you first open it...the quit button is grey'd out
[06:55] <superm1> yeah its normal
[06:55] <superm1> but that might be worth modifying i guess
[06:56] <foxbuntu> so...back to this glade thing
[06:56] <foxbuntu> what tells the main glade which subtab to open?
[06:57] <superm1> core.py/line 1042-1069
[06:58] <foxbuntu> ok, I see, and I have to add it to SUBTABS at the top too
[06:59] <foxbuntu> thanks
[06:59] <foxbuntu> I think I am getting the hang of how this is built
[07:00] <foxbuntu> all the more impressive what you did from this end
[07:00] <foxbuntu> well loff to lunch
[07:00] <foxbuntu> catch you later
[07:00] <superm1> cu
[07:10] <ubotu> New bug: #149510 in mythbuntu-lirc-generator "incorrect mapping of hauppauge pvr-150 Power button" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/149510
[07:15] <bareflix> I installed the mythbuntu 7.10 beta yesterday, I'm trying to run updates and getting Has Sum mismatch errors:
[07:15] <bareflix> Failed to fetch http://mirror.cs.umn.edu/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/m/mythtv/libmyth-0.20_0.20.2-0ubuntu8_i386.deb  Hash Sum mismatch
[07:15] <bareflix> Failed to fetch http://mirror.cs.umn.edu/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/m/mythtv/mythtv-backend-master_0.20.2-0ubuntu8_all.deb  Hash Sum mismatch
[07:15] <bareflix> Failed to fetch http://mirror.cs.umn.edu/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/m/mythtv/mythtv-backend_0.20.2-0ubuntu8_i386.deb  Hash Sum mismatch
[07:15] <superm1> bareflix, switch repositories
[07:15] <superm1> in Applications-System-Software Sources
[07:15] <superm1> to a different mirror
[07:15] <superm1> that one is having troubles
[07:15] <bareflix> ok
[07:29] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, i talked t frink_ a little about setting up rsync, but didn't really get into specifics as I was short on time.  He's cool with it, but i didn't really get into when it's going to be setup or if he is going to set it up or if someone else with access needs to
[07:32] <superm1> okay
[07:34] <tgm4883_laptop> i'd also like to congradulate everyone, the stats from yesterday are pretty nice
[07:37] <ElPopo> Hi!
[07:37] <tgm4883_laptop> hi
[07:38] <ElPopo> I installed MythTV from repository of Fiesty Faun (7.04)
[07:38] <ElPopo> There seems to be a problem (several actually) with the database that comes with it
[07:38] <ElPopo> As far as I can tell, there is about half the table missing...
[07:39] <ElPopo> Does anybody know WHERE to get the table structure. Ideally the SQL command to create the tables
[07:42] <superm1> ElPopo, they are created automatically
[07:42] <superm1> if they weren't for you, then i would recommend doing this
[07:43] <superm1> sudo apt-get remove --purge mythtv-database mysql-server-5.0 && sudo apt-get install mythtv-database mysql-server-5.0
[07:43] <superm1> and when it asks you to drop the database, go for it
[07:45] <ElPopo> Thx I'll try that. The thing is, there were 28 tables IN the database at installation time. But several had missing columns and several other tables were missing entirely.
[07:46] <ElPopo> I know because I had a bunch of errors printed at the console when I tried to configure the back-end.
[07:46] <superm1> yeah some people encounter corruption on their first install on feisty
[07:46] <superm1> we're not particularly sure why
[07:47] <superm1> but reinstalling it resolves the issue
[07:47] <superm1> odds are you won't be able to reproduce it
[07:47] <ElPopo> Thanks!
[07:48] <tgm4883_laptop> why do i always get assigned the tasks that noone else wants in class?
[07:52] <tgm4883_laptop> anyone got a good name for a project management company?
[07:56] <pdragon> trying to think of something witty and failing terribly
[07:57] <tgm4883_laptop> heh
[07:57] <tgm4883_laptop> thats my problem too
[08:05] <pdragon> looks like official ubuntu archive repositories are working again, but really slow
[08:12] <therethinker> they were broken?
[08:15] <pdragon> couldn't connect
[08:16] <therethinker> hm...
[08:16] <pdragon> others were having probs this morning, too
[08:16] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm, i just saw problems with the one mirror
[08:18] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, Business Soultions and Project Management Soultions
[08:19] <foxbuntu> or BS/PMS :)
[08:19] <foxbuntu> lol
[08:19] <tgm4883_laptop> nice
[08:19] <foxbuntu> you know you like it
[08:19] <foxbuntu> :)
[08:19] <tgm4883_laptop> and if we spell it like that, are slogan could be "now with more soul"
[08:19] <therethinker> :P
[08:19] <foxbuntu> soul?
[08:20] <tgm4883_laptop> Soultions
[08:20] <tgm4883_laptop> as apposed to solutions
[08:20] <foxbuntu> ah
[08:20] <pdragon> oh nice. new version of xmltv is in gutsy repository. can use the tv_grab_na_icons now. before 0.5.46 that wouldn't work
[08:20] <pdragon> was giving me the invalid zip code error
[08:22] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, you see the final numbers for yesterday?
[08:22] <superm1> yeah laga wooed me into uploading the new xmltv
[08:22] <pdragon> when i first started trying mythbuntu, it had 0.5.45. couldn't get xmltv to compile from source so i just gave up
[08:22] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[08:22] <tgm4883_laptop> very nice
[08:22] <foxbuntu> huge
[08:22] <foxbuntu> 2100+
[08:22] <tgm4883_laptop> visitors?
[08:22] <foxbuntu> dbl the daily average over the last 3 weeks
[08:22] <tgm4883_laptop> i thought we only had 1905
[08:22] <foxbuntu> yea
[08:23] <foxbuntu> 2123
[08:23] <foxbuntu> final number
[08:23] <foxbuntu> 809 so far today
[08:24] <tgm4883_laptop> foxbuntu, i still see 1905
[08:24] <tgm4883_laptop> are you looking at the right graph
[08:24] <foxbuntu> yup
[08:24] <superm1> pdragon, can you do a little write up explaining how to grab icons with tv_grab_na_icons for the wiki?
[08:24] <foxbuntu> on the dashboard
[08:24] <foxbuntu> superm1, thanks alot
[08:24] <foxbuntu> no digg?
[08:25] <foxbuntu> you dugg tgm4883
[08:25] <superm1> huh?
[08:25] <foxbuntu> and not me?
[08:25] <superm1> well tgm4883 != foxbuntu
[08:25] <pdragon> i can try. my first time doing it :)
[08:25] <tgm4883_laptop> i'm looking in the visitors overview graph
[08:25] <tgm4883_laptop> which is different than the top graph
[08:25] <bareflix> I've got the mythtv-themes package installed, but I don't see the neon themes listed, is there another package for them, or do I need to install manually?
[08:26] <foxbuntu> superm1 == cruel && superm1 != super
[08:26] <superm1> bareflix, the package only includes the "official" themes
[08:26] <tgm4883_laptop> foxbuntu visitors graph probably gets rid of dups
[08:26] <superm1> community themes had licensing troubles
[08:26] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, oh right
[08:26] <tgm4883_laptop> our forum is being used nicely :)
[08:26] <foxbuntu> still
[08:27] <superm1> you can grab them from http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Theme
[08:27] <tgm4883_laptop> yea still
[08:27] <tgm4883_laptop> nice numbers
[08:27] <tgm4883_laptop> but not quite 2000
[08:27] <bareflix> ok, thanks.
[08:27] <foxbuntu> well 2123 with the loyalty
[08:28] <foxbuntu> 565 downloads yesterday too
[08:28] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[08:28] <tgm4883_laptop> averages every couple minutes a download
[08:28] <pdragon> 3.442 share ratio on my torrent
[08:28] <foxbuntu> picked up some new countries too
[08:29] <foxbuntu> 121 countries visiting now
[08:29] <foxbuntu> 3922 cities
[08:30] <foxbuntu> wow
[08:30] <foxbuntu> London is our #1 visiting city
[08:31] <therethinker> I think that's because UK is so dense
[08:31] <therethinker> population wise
[08:31] <tgm4883_laptop> my ratio is infinity
[08:31] <therethinker> at least compared to the US
[08:32] <therethinker2> Boo!
[08:32] <bdmurray> superm1: Have you still been seeing unionfs errors?
[08:33] <foxbuntu> 72.87% of our traffic is new traffic
[08:33] <tgm4883_laptop> bdmurray, one maybe on the forums
[08:33] <foxbuntu> which is darn good
[08:34] <superm1> bdmurray, i haven't generated a daily in a few days
[08:34] <superm1> bdmurray, but there have been no kernel changes to unionfs
[08:34] <superm1> anyhow
[08:34] <superm1> according to http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-gutsy-lum.git;a=summary
[08:34] <bdmurray> Ben needs some isotesting done and I am looking for testers
[08:35] <superm1> bdmurray, how soon?
[08:35] <bdmurray> He has a special iso uploading now
[08:35] <bdmurray> It should be available in an hour
[08:36] <superm1> bdmurray, is it supposed to reflect unionfs fixes?
[08:37] <bdmurray> As I understand it - it has a previous version of unionfs on it.
[08:37] <bdmurray> So yes.
[08:37] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, we are almost to 100,000 page views
[08:41] <superm1> bdmurray, could you point me to where the deb is with the old linux-image is, i'll master a mythbuntu disk with it to test
[08:42] <pdragon> superm1: do you have the mkiconmap.pl script included somewhere or do i have to download that separately?
[08:45] <bdmurray> superm1: Maybe you should ask Ben about that directly he has only provided me with a link to an i386 iso
[08:45] <superm1> pdragon, its changed for -fixes, grab it from svn
[08:45] <superm1> bdmurray, okay i'll join -kernel and ask him there
[08:46] <bdmurray> Sounds good.
[08:49] <tgm4883_laptop> ok, off to lunch.  Email me if you need me
[08:49] <pdragon> superm1: i'm pretty new to this stuff. is this the right way to be getting it? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Channel_icons
[08:53] <superm1> pdragon, that looks right, but i've never grabbed the icons myself
[08:54] <pdragon> i managed to get the icons. that was my roadblock before and just never got passed it
[08:54] <pdragon> now i see i need the xml map file, so wasn't sure how to get it
[08:59] <foxbuntu> superm1, I think I am going to build a new backend server for my house, I believe we have out grown the current one's use
[08:59] <foxbuntu> superm1, is there any good way of migrating the DB other than just moving the data by hand?
[08:59] <superm1> migrating?
[08:59] <superm1> move the hard drive to new box
[08:59] <superm1> done.
[08:59] <superm1> ?
[08:59] <therethinker> Why don't you just export/import?
[08:59] <therethinker> Its like 1 file... not that hard
[08:59] <foxbuntu> eh
[08:59] <foxbuntu> i suppose
[09:00] <therethinker> I've done it over PHPMyAdmin -- much easier ;-)
[09:00] <foxbuntu> but I will have to carry a certian amount of recordings too
[09:00] <therethinker> Ah\
[09:00] <therethinker> I'd just do the HD thing then
[09:00] <foxbuntu> well I am going to an actual server platform though
[09:00] <foxbuntu> RAID
[09:00] <foxbuntu> and such
[09:01] <foxbuntu> guess I could build and LVM volume for the O/S and Raid for the Data
[09:01] <foxbuntu> My Raid volume on the new box is going to be 1.25TB
[09:01] <foxbuntu> 4 Tuners
[09:01] <foxbuntu> 4GB of Ram
[09:02] <foxbuntu> 6200+ X62 AMD AM2
[09:02] <foxbuntu> 6200+ X64 AMD AM2
[09:04] <Aval0n-> guys does the feisty proposed mythtv packages include the -fixes
[09:04] <Aval0n-> ?
[09:04] <superm1> Aval0n-, they are in -updates now
[09:04] <Aval0n-> nice.
[09:04] <superm1> Aval0n-, and they are from -fixes yes
[09:05] <Aval0n-> excellent
[09:06] <Aval0n-> thank you.
[09:06] <pdragon> superm1: I'm getting "Can't locate MythTV.pm in @INC" when i try and run the script
[09:06] <camelreef> foxbuntu, my machine trumps your machine ;o)
[09:07] <camelreef> except on disk capacity
[09:07] <camelreef> but the 4 disks  have are 15K SAS in RAID 1+0
[09:08] <foxbuntu> camelreef, very nice
[09:09] <foxbuntu> hotswap then
[09:09] <foxbuntu> ?
[09:09] <pdragon> superm1: that page said the MythTV Perl bindings had to be installed during compile. is that the problem?
[09:09] <camelreef> internal disks
[09:09] <camelreef> its a Dell Precision 690 workstation
[09:10] <Aval0n-> is mythtv stable for everyone else here?
[09:10] <camelreef> but 16GB quad-channel FB RAM
[09:10] <Aval0n-> I've had the backened just crash without reason or error several times
[09:10] <camelreef> and 2x Xeon quads
[09:10] <Aval0n-> and the FE just say, couldn't display video and crash to main menu
[09:11] <camelreef> Aval0n-, mine has been stable lately, but I've had the backend segfault all by itself
[09:11] <gbee> Aval0n-: not a firewire recorder by any chance?
[09:11] <Aval0n-> eek
[09:11] <Aval0n-> that sucks
[09:11] <Aval0n-> gbee, no sir
[09:11] <Aval0n-> just analog cable and QAM with kworld card
[09:11] <superm1> pdragon, that is a problem
[09:11] <superm1> because we dont build with perl bindings afaik
[09:11] <camelreef> I suspect my DVB-T card is giving crap to the backend and crashes it
[09:11] <gbee> hmm, no idea then without a backtrace, shouldn't the apport stuff automatically generate one?
[09:12] <pdragon> k. looks like that script won't work then. i've got the channel icons. there a way to add them manually or another way to general the xml map file?
[09:12] <Aval0n-> when I switch from analog cable to my kworld tuner it has like a 7 second lag before it even starts to try and tune the channel.
[09:12] <Aval0n-> is that normal?
[09:12] <Aval0n-> i run a 3.4ghz p4 HT, 1gb RAM
[09:12] <Aval0n-> nvidia 7300gs w/hdmi
[09:13] <superm1> pdragon, like i said i haven't worked with the icons at all.  you might need to poke #mythtv-users if no one else in here has either
[09:13] <pdragon> ok
[09:13] <Aval0n-> superm1: is there a place you can d/l a master set of icons?
[09:13] <Aval0n-> that you have sen.
[09:14] <Aval0n-> seen*
[09:14] <superm1> Aval0n-, haven't done anything with icons as previously said :)
[09:14] <Aval0n-> ahh
[09:14] <Aval0n-> ok
[09:14] <Aval0n-> :)
[09:14] <superm1> gbee, Aval0n- something about backtraces?
[09:14] <superm1> what's happening, i haven't followed your discussion
[09:14] <pdragon> Aval0n-: I found this site http://www.lyngsat-logo.com/
[09:14] <Aval0n-> thanks pdragon
[09:14] <pdragon> not sure if it can do that, but it's got tons of channel icons
[09:14] <camelreef> pdragon, I have made my own icon DB and entered all manually in the DB, using phpmyadmin
[09:15] <laga> superm1: no update, sorry. i'll get the translations merged ASAP, but i have to figure out how to do that first so i'll do it tomorrow
[09:15] <Aval0n-> I just get random seg faults from the backened
[09:15] <Aval0n-> with no error log superm1
[09:15] <Aval0n-> that is what I was tellin gbee
[09:15] <camelreef> pdragon, what country do you need ?
[09:15] <superm1> laga, which translations need to be merged?
[09:15] <psilocyde> Can anyone tell me if the Haupauge WinTV-PVR-USB2 MCE is supported in Myth?
[09:15] <Aval0n-> psilocyde: it's supported my lirc
[09:15] <superm1> Aval0n-, apport should catch the seg faults
[09:15] <Aval0n-> superm1 and I use one
[09:15] <pdragon> i've got the icons. i just installed xmltv and ran tv_grab_na_icons
[09:15] <superm1> Aval0n-, you have apport running right?
[09:15] <Aval0n-> probably not
[09:15] <Aval0n-> cause I havn't heard of it before
[09:15] <superm1> Aval0n-, is this a mythbuntu install?
[09:15] <laga> foxbuntu: whats up
[09:15] <superm1> Aval0n-, or a feisty or edgy?
[09:15] <Aval0n-> superm1 no it's not
[09:15] <laga> superm1: mythplugins and mythtv
[09:15] <psilocyde> This is all verry new to me.
[09:15] <Aval0n-> feisty
[09:16] <superm1> Aval0n-, then its probably not installed by default.  install apport
[09:16] <psilocyde> Lirc is what?
[09:16] <psilocyde> sorry
[09:16] <superm1> and make sure the service is running
[09:16] <pdragon> camelreef: just need to get them installed now :)
[09:16] <superm1> it will catch your crashes
[09:16] <laga> superm1: and mcc, but i dont know if you're gonna push that to the archives this weekend
[09:16] <Aval0n-> okie tay stand by
[09:16] <superm1>  and generate backtraces that you can submit as bug reports
[09:16] <foxbuntu> laga, sorry gotta run, but its about mcc, I am working on a new feature now too, fill you in more later
[09:16] <superm1> laga, i merged translations from rosetta
[09:16] <laga> bah :)
[09:16] <superm1> laga, last night
[09:16] <superm1> is that what you were talking about?
[09:16] <camelreef> pdragin, install phpmyadmin and do it by hand, it not worse than a spreadsheet
[09:16] <psilocyde> NM ill look it up
[09:17] <Aval0n-> apport already isntalled
[09:17] <pdragon> where do they go in the database? i haven't yet peeked at that :)
[09:17] <superm1> Aval0n-, make sure the service is running
[09:17] <superm1> check your process lists
[09:18] <Aval0n-> I don't return anything back with a grep for apport
[09:18] <superm1> sudo /etc/init.d/apport start ?
[09:18] <Aval0n-> it says ok
[09:18] <Aval0n-> I guess it started then
[09:18] <Aval0n-> still can't grep it though
[09:18] <superm1> is this a feisty standalone
[09:18] <superm1> or regular feisty?
[09:19] <Aval0n-> regular feisty
[09:19] <superm1> like is there a desktop role installed
[09:19] <laga> superm1: oh.
[09:19] <laga> superm1: yes, i was talking about the rosetta stuff
[09:19] <Aval0n-> I use openbox for the mythtv
[09:19] <camelreef> pdragon, mythconverg DB, channel table, icon column, enter the path/filename
[09:19] <superm1> yeah that's done laga
[09:19] <superm1> anything more that needs to be done?
[09:19] <laga> superm1: cool.
[09:19] <pdragon> superm1: just curious... any reason you don't compile with perl bindings? might be able to make an icon install wizard using that script
[09:19] <superm1> Aval0n-, check /var/crash
[09:19] <laga> superm1: i was gonna add a big warning into mysql.txt that people shouldn hand-edit it.
[09:19] <superm1> pdragon, i'm going to experiment with a build with it quickly
[09:19] <Aval0n-> ahh
[09:19] <superm1> the problem is that it would need another binary package i'd think
[09:19] <laga> pdragon: i didnt know there are perl bindings in0.20
[09:20] <Aval0n-> i see mythbackend in there
[09:20] <superm1> or need to ship within an existing
[09:20] <laga> i have perl bindings in trunk.
[09:20] <Aval0n-> it's giberish whenI open it though
[09:20] <superm1> where do perl bindings fit best then, mythtv-common?
[09:20] <superm1> or mythtv-backend?
[09:21] <Aval0n-> 22 megs for my myth backend crash log superm1
[09:21] <Aval0n-> he
[09:21] <Aval0n-> h
[09:21] <superm1> Aval0n-, okay so in normal feisty desktop, gutsy desktop, and mythbuntu there is an automatic way to submit it
[09:21] <superm1> let me see what the manual method is
[09:22] <Aval0n-> this is normal feisty
[09:22] <Aval0n-> I d/led the iso and installed
[09:22] <superm1> try this: /usr/share/apport/apport-gtk,
[09:22] <Aval0n-> then install mythtv
[09:22] <superm1> /usr/share/apport/apport-gtk
[09:22] <superm1> that should process it
[09:22] <Aval0n-> core dumped
[09:22] <Aval0n-> seg fault
[09:22] <superm1> are you doing this via ssh?
[09:23] <Aval0n-> yep
[09:23] <superm1> you need to X forward
[09:23] <superm1> ssh user@machine -X
[09:24] <Aval0n-> still seg faulted
[09:26] <superm1> Aval0n-, do it then with
[09:26] <superm1> ssh user@machine -X -Y
[09:26] <superm1> and the machine you're on has X installed right?
[09:26] <Aval0n-> lol
[09:26] <Aval0n-> it's vista
[09:26] <superm1> okay well you need a machine with X on it to forward an X app
[09:26] <Aval0n-> probably the problem then eh
[09:26] <Aval0n-> haha
[09:26] <Aval0n-> my fault
[09:26] <superm1> you either need cygwin/x
[09:27] <camelreef> please ?
[09:27] <camelreef> baaaad word
[09:27] <superm1> or hummingbird
[09:27] <superm1> or something similar
[09:27] <Aval0n-> can I just run it from the myth machine?
[09:27] <Aval0n-> I'll just log in as a regular user
[09:27] <superm1> yeah you can do that
[09:27] <Aval0n-> k
[09:27] <camelreef> hmm, my apport-gtk does not like X forwarding in ssh
[09:28] <camelreef> nothing coming up
[09:28] <superm1> it only works if you have a crash report
[09:28] <camelreef> I do, 3
[09:28] <superm1> try it with -Y
[09:28] <superm1> then too
[09:29] <camelreef> same
[09:29] <Aval0n-> uploading problem info
[09:31] <camelreef> I have to say, typical Ubuntu work.... Their own tools without man page... Not trolling, but this would not exist in Debian
[09:31] <superm1> camelreef, this is because the service runs automatically on desktop installs
[09:31] <camelreef> so what ?
[09:31] <superm1> and its fully documented here
[09:31] <superm1> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport
[09:31] <camelreef> binary -> man page
[09:32] <camelreef> dammit! :o)
[09:32] <superm1> camelreef, man apport <tab>
[09:32] <superm1> $ man apport-
[09:32] <superm1> apport-chroot   apport-cli      apport-retrace  apport-unpack
[09:32] <superm1> tools are documented there
[09:32] <camelreef> and what about apport-gtk ?
[09:32] <superm1> what is there to document?
[09:32] <superm1> run apport-gtk
[09:32] <superm1> done
[09:32] <camelreef> we'll never know....
[09:33] <camelreef> except apport saw only 2 crashes out of 3
[09:33] <camelreef> and now it does not want to see anything anymore
[09:33] <camelreef> I was thinking parameters there
[09:33] <superm1> well it is normally run as a service remember
[09:34] <Aval0n-> anyone in here run their mythtv boxen inside of an enclosed entertainment cabinet?
[09:34] <Aval0n-> I'm worried aboot overheating ;)
[09:35] <camelreef> Your computer does not have enough free memory to automatically analyze the problem and send a report to the developers.
[09:35] <camelreef> ahah
[09:35] <camelreef> 1 GB RAM ?
[09:35] <camelreef> oh well...
[09:35] <camelreef> dinner time
[09:35] <camelreef> bye everyone
[09:35] <Aval0n-> dinner?
[09:35] <Aval0n-> wtf
[09:35] <Aval0n-> where are you?
[09:35] <camelreef> <- Scotland
[09:35] <Aval0n-> ahhh
[09:35] <Aval0n-> I see
[09:35] <camelreef> you ?
[09:35] <Aval0n-> US
[09:36] <Aval0n-> arizona
[09:36] <Aval0n-> i'm 60% scottish though
[09:36] <Aval0n-> :)
[09:36] <Aval0n-> err 50
[09:36] <Aval0n-> sorry typo
[09:36] <pdragon> superm1: still want me to write anything in the wiki about channel icons? can write how to download them, but as for getting them into mythtv, manually is all i've found without the perl bindings
[09:36] <camelreef> I still lived in Housaton, TX 6 months ago
[09:36] <camelreef> Houston
[09:36] <Aval0n-> ahh cool
[09:37] <camelreef> bye
[09:43] <superm1> pdragon, can you hold off a little bit?  I'm adding the perl bindings to this last upload
[09:43] <superm1> pdragon, as long as they work, you can grab the new package, do the icons from that
[09:43] <superm1> and then do the write up
[09:44] <superm1> laga, can you get that warning in right now?
[09:46] <pdragon> just do a regular apt-get upgrade then to get the new one?
[09:46] <superm1> right
[09:46] <pdragon> alright. sounds good
[09:46] <superm1> i'll upload after i get a local build working with them
[09:50] <Aval0n-> guys when you import a DVD, if you transcode it, do you still retain the menus etc...
[09:50] <Aval0n-> or do you just get the main movie.
[09:50] <superm1> beats me
[09:50] <Aval0n-> I was kinda hip on the idea of putting my dvd's on
[09:51] <Aval0n-> but at like 7-9 gig a peice
[09:51] <Aval0n-> that's gonna fill up quick :)
[09:52] <tgm4883_laptop> no
[09:52] <tgm4883_laptop> if you transcode it you don't retain the menus
[09:52] <Aval0n-> ahh
[09:52] <Aval0n-> ok thanks
[09:52] <tgm4883_laptop> afaik
[09:52] <Aval0n-> bummer
[09:52] <tgm4883_laptop> if you transcode it, usually you just keep the movie
[09:52] <Aval0n-> :)
[09:52] <Aval0n-> right, that's kinda what I was thinkin
[09:52] <pdragon> Aval0n-: just the movie
[09:52] <tgm4883_laptop> but it really depends on how it is setup to transcode
[09:52] <pdragon> that's one of the main reasons i got mythtv. want to make an on demand player for my whole dvd collection
[09:52] <Aval0n-> you know what else is weird
[09:53] <Aval0n-> when I play a dvd with myth
[09:53] <Aval0n-> on to root menu
[09:53] <Aval0n-> things don't line up, like the cursors and whatnot
[09:53] <pdragon> weird. works for me
[09:53] <Aval0n-> anyone experiencing this phenomenon
[09:53] <Aval0n-> I wonder if it has anything to do with the res I run
[09:54] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, you got a few min to download an image and test it?
[09:54] <superm1> unionfs fix........
[09:54] <superm1> not workaround.
[09:54] <superm1> FIX
[09:54] <superm1> :)
[09:55] <tgm4883_laptop> yea i suppose
[09:55] <superm1> http://uk.cdimages.mythbuntu.org/~superm1/mythbuntu-7.10~071005-i386.iso
[09:55] <tgm4883_laptop> im in class, but i can test it no problem
[09:55] <superm1> haha okay
[09:55] <superm1> it has a much older version of unionfs (1.4 rather than 2.1.4)
[09:55] <tgm4883_laptop> im playing around with seemless integration in virtualbox
[09:56] <superm1> and the workaround for for ubiquity is disabled
[09:56] <Aval0n-> superm1: is that fix for me?
[09:56] <superm1> Aval0n-, did you have troubles installing?
[09:56] <superm1> mythbuntu?
[09:56] <Aval0n-> ahh
[09:56] <superm1> because of unionfs issues?
[09:56] <Aval0n-> wasn't for me
[09:56] <Aval0n-> heheh
[09:56] <Aval0n-> sorry
[09:57] <superm1> well i mean if you did, then by all means the more the merrier
[09:57] <tgm4883_laptop> soo slow
[09:57] <tgm4883_laptop> im doing to many things at once
[09:57] <superm1> i'm getting 915 kb/s
[09:57] <tgm4883_laptop> stupid windows
[09:57] <superm1> downloading it
[09:58] <tgm4883_laptop> im doing windows updates, ubuntu updates, and downloading the iso
[09:58] <tgm4883_laptop> and my system is feeling sluggish
[10:00] <tgm4883_laptop> and seeding, i almost forgot about that
[10:02] <tgm4883_laptop> Windows updates suck :(
[10:03] <therethinker> Yes, yes they do
[10:05] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, is there someone with all the info on our mirrors?  I'm trying to reply to that email from my mirror contact letting him know were in the process of setting up rsync and also the numbers for our other mirrors
[10:05] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, you can see the list of mirrors in drupal
[10:05] <superm1> under the administration->db module
[10:05] <tgm4883_laptop> I can?
[10:06] <tgm4883_laptop> Does it list the bandwidth limits?
[10:06] <superm1> it should
[10:06] <tgm4883_laptop> sweet
[10:08] <tgm4883_laptop> listed in gigabytes?
[10:08] <tgm4883_laptop> 4000 for canonical server
[10:08] <superm1> um
[10:08] <superm1> ask him
[10:09] <superm1> i just know its all there
[10:09] <bareflix> anyone having a problem with xv on the beta? mplayer -vo xv give me garbled colors, but -vo x11 or vo gl works fine.
[10:09] <superm1> shouldn't have any issues with that
[10:09] <superm1> fglrx?
[10:09] <laga> re
[10:09] <superm1> hey laga
[10:09] <superm1> i'm worried about modifying mysql.txt with comments
[10:10] <laga> superm1: no, i can't. i'm not at home
[10:10] <laga> why
[10:10] <superm1> will it still work w/ postinst scripts?
[10:10] <laga> oh
[10:10] <laga> hum.
[10:10] <superm1> i'd hate to break that last minute
[10:10] <laga> dunno.
[10:10] <laga> let's postpone it to hardy then.
[10:10] <bareflix> it's an nvidia card.
[10:10] <laga> and hope that people wills top fscking thing sup :)
[10:10] <superm1> k laga
[10:10] <superm1> i'm doing the test build with perl bindings right now
[10:10] <superm1> i'm just putting them into mythtv-common
[10:11] <superm1> for hardy, i'll do a sep binary package
[10:11] <laga> superm1: things are getting more stressful every minute, btw, sorry that mcc is still broken. completely forgot about that.
[10:11] <superm1> laga, i hear ya.  i really hope this is the last 'mythtv' upload, i've got a ton of other stuff to attend to this next week
[10:11] <superm1> laga, but did you hear about unionfs???
[10:12] <laga> superm1: i had problems with the perl bindings - they'd install to the wrong prefix. but i think this is not the case for 0.20.x where stuff just gets installed into the 'normal' prefix
[10:12] <laga> superm1: no
 *** I've posted a custom entry on for tacking a custom ISO with unionfs 1.4. Please help test! ***
[10:12] <superm1> i remastered the mythbuntu disk with it a few moments ago
[10:12] <superm1> testing as we speak
[10:13] <laga> superm1: any reason why we cant make a libmyth-perl package? that'd make transitions easier
[10:13] <superm1> laga, because it would sit in the NEW queue for the next week
[10:13] <superm1> and have to be cleared by an admin
[10:13] <superm1> and i dont want to deal with that
[10:14] <laga> ok.
[10:14] <laga> i'll have to add a replaces: ccordingly then to my package :/
[10:14] <superm1> well yeah
[10:15] <superm1> but tis a solution for now
[10:15] <laga> i'll try to have mcc fixed in the next 18 hours.
[10:15] <laga> yes, no worries.
[10:15] <superm1> okay sounds good
[10:15] <laga> it's just hard for me to remember too much stuff :)
[10:15] <superm1> you talk to foxbuntu?
[10:15] <laga> no
[10:15] <superm1> he has other stuff that he was wanting to add
[10:15] <laga> he had to leave
[10:15] <laga> what does he wanna do?
[10:15] <superm1> that may go with yours well
[10:15] <superm1> some more cron job stuff
[10:15] <laga> ah
[10:15] <superm1> he was going to have awhole page of stuff
[10:15] <superm1> that would probably mesh well with yours
[10:16] <laga> oh, sucker gets his own tab! :)
[10:16] <superm1> but placement is arbitrary
[10:16] <superm1> you can discuss with him where it fits best
[10:16] <superm1> i dont know that he will have it done by early next week when i want to upload though
[10:16] <superm1> if he doesn't, then it will have to be deferred
[10:16] <superm1> i told him to do it in his own branch and we'll merge it so as to not have two sets of broken people in the main branch
[10:17] <laga> i'm not broken, it's just my code :)
[10:17] <laga> es, i read the backlog
[10:17] <laga> i'll talk to him, maybe later tonight. not sure what the GF is gonna do with me :P
[10:17] <superm1> mkay
[10:18] <laga> ok, g2g.
[10:18] <superm1> see ya
[10:23] <superm1> tgm4883, ugh looks like it didn't resolve things.  no unionfs spam in dmesg, but still hangs at that particular section
[10:24] <tgm4883_laptop> :(
[10:24] <therethinker> there was a bunch of stuff, what did I miss?
[10:24] <tgm4883_laptop> therethinker, we tasked you with fixing the bug
[10:24] <therethinker> k
[10:24] <therethinker> I'll go do that
[10:24] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, this means that it may not have been unionfs in the first place
[10:25] <superm1> i dont know what to make of it
[10:25] <superm1> because the newer ubiquity works on the older disk
[10:25] <superm1> but ugh.
[10:25] <tgm4883_laptop> is there a super log function for the installer?
[10:25] <superm1> well i know exactly which line it freezes in
[10:26] <tgm4883_laptop> which line?
[10:26] <superm1> and its within an apt call to a C function
[10:26] <therethinker> It doesn't say any bugs are assigned to me?
[10:26] <therethinker> on mythbuntu
[10:26] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, line 1418 in /usr/share/ubiquity/install.py
[10:26] <tgm4883_laptop> therethinker, thats because superm1 wants all the glory of fixing it himself :)
[10:27] <therethinker> :P
[10:27] <superm1> haha
[10:27] <therethinker> which one is it then?
[10:27] <therethinker> ubiquity
[10:27] <therethinker> ah
[10:27] <tgm4883_laptop> the unionfs but no longer is caused by unionfs bug
[10:27] <superm1> therethinker, you want omsething to do?
[10:27] <superm1> therethinker, can you submit all the pending reports with backtraces upstream?
[10:28] <superm1> on the 'mythtv' package?
[10:28] <therethinker> Okay...
[10:29] <therethinker> maybe that's not best for me, I understood none of the jargon :P Maybe I'll add a feature to mcc?
[10:29] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1 the canonical mirror is heavly weighted right?
[10:29] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, which that line calls /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/apt/cache.py.  it hangs in lines 62-64
[10:30] <superm1> therethinker, actually yeah there is a feature i'd really like to see work in m-c-c
[10:30] <superm1> that is just deactivated right nwo
[10:30] <therethinker> Great
[10:30] <superm1> because it wasn't finished
[10:30] <therethinker> What?
[10:30] <superm1> the 3rd party repository activations
[10:30] <superm1> to turn on medibuntu from m-c-c
[10:30] <therethinker> k
[10:30] <superm1> there is a glade file included with some basic stuff to turn it on and off
[10:30] <superm1> but beyond that it wasn't completed
[10:30] <therethinker> Ohhh... like activate multiverse/medibuntu
[10:30] <therethinker> ah, k
[10:30] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, and to turn on ppa?
[10:30] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, i was thinking about adding that too, but i think medibuntu is more ugrent
[10:31] <superm1> therethinker, yeah that's exactly where i was going with it
[10:31] <tgm4883_laptop> right, it is
[10:31] <therethinker2> Yeah
[10:31] <superm1> to turn on multiverse or medibuntu
[10:31] <therethinker2> yeah
[10:31] <tgm4883_laptop> once thats added, the ppa should be easy
[10:31] <superm1> there are probably functions from software-properties-gtk
[10:31] <tgm4883_laptop> we should make an unofficial plugin ppa
[10:31] <superm1> that you can inherit from to do some of it
[10:31] <therethinker2> k
[10:32] <superm1> but to checkout, you need to branch from a revision before laga broke $stuff
[10:32] <therethinker2> what is PPA? I can't quite see where that's coming from
[10:32] <tgm4883_laptop> it's  a repo
[10:32] <therethinker2> ah
[10:32] <tgm4883_laptop> Personal Package Archive
[10:32] <therethinker2> which revision?
[10:33] <superm1> therethinker2, the last revision that i know is good is the one with this description
[10:33] <superm1> idiotproof the creation of ~/.config/autostart
[10:33] <therethinker2> :P
[10:33] <superm1> revision id: supermario@portablemario-20071001211810-r0fvyx13xe9v1gle
[10:33] <therethinker2> k
[10:33] <superm1> laga, decided to break things after that
[10:33] <superm1> so something along the lines of bzr branch url -r revno will need to be done
[10:33] <therethinker2> k
[10:33] <superm1> the code.launchpad page will show revno's
[10:33] <laga> re
[10:34] <laga> therethinker2: btw, those changes you send to me - please resent them as a diff
[10:34] <laga> ok, i turned on the playstation for the GF
[10:34] <superm1> haha
[10:34] <laga> that bought me 30 minutes.
[10:34] <superm1> awesome
[10:35] <therethinker2> Ah, k
[10:35] <therethinker2> and its 72
[10:35] <therethinker2> if anyone has an urge to branch as we;;
[10:35] <therethinker2> s/we;;/well
[10:36] <superm1> yeah foxbuntu needs to
[10:36] <superm1> but he's not here
[10:38] <superm1> therethinker2, okay to activate the extra tab where i was planning to do this, open up glade designer on mythbuntu_control_centre.glade
[10:38] <superm1> you will see a proprietary codecs tab on the left
[10:38] <superm1> choose it and then pick  "Common" on the right
[10:38] <superm1> and change its 'Visible' property
[10:39] <therethinker2> got it
[10:39] <therethinker2> Let me just get the diff patch...
[10:40] <laga> superm1: do you remember what was broken in mcc?
[10:40] <superm1> laga, um it doesn't work?
[10:40] <superm1> laga, :)
[10:40] <laga> superm1: oh, right! that's easy to fix
[10:40] <superm1> laga, let me reinstall the broken deb and see
[10:41] <superm1> Traceback (most recent call last):
[10:41] <superm1>   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/MythbuntuControlCentre/core.py", line 1020, in apply_pressed
[10:41] <superm1>     (to_install,to_remove,to_reconfigure) = self.find_case_for_change()
[10:41] <superm1>   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/MythbuntuControlCentre/core.py", line 420, in find_case_for_change
[10:41] <superm1>     old_mysql_tweaks = self.config.get("mythbuntu","mysql_tweaks_enabled")
[10:41] <superm1>   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/ConfigParser.py", line 520, in get
[10:41] <superm1>     raise NoOptionError(option, section)
[10:41] <superm1> ConfigParser.NoOptionError: No option 'mysql_tweaks_enabled' in section: 'mythbuntu'
[10:41] <laga> thanks.
[10:42] <superm1> wasn't there some way to auto login to a pbudiler that froze?
[10:42] <superm1> er failed
[10:42] <superm1> rather than letting it go and clean out the filesystem
[10:42] <superm1> so i can see where things went wrong
[10:42] <laga> superm1: a hook AFAIK
[10:45] <laga> ah, think i got a fix.
[10:46] <superm1> laga, ah yeah C10Shell
[10:46] <superm1> /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples/C10shell
[10:46] <superm1> wish i had that on *before* i did the build
[10:46] <superm1> psh
[10:46] <therethinker2> Shouldn't I use somethign later than 72?
[10:47] <therethinker2> I was working on at least 73 last night
[10:47] <superm1> therethinker2, the nice thing about bzr is that you can merge things
[10:47] <superm1> so you can do your work there
[10:47] <superm1> without disturbing the current work going on in the branch
[10:47] <therethinker2> hmm...
[10:47] <superm1> if you don't complete it now, we can always merge it later
[10:47] <superm1> just so long as you do a proper 'bzr branch url'
[10:48] <tgm4883_laptop> mythtv needs some schedule snapping
[10:48] <laga> superm1: can you bzr up and try again
[10:49] <laga> i need some beer
[10:49] <laga> it's friday \o/
[10:49] <laga> and someone get me the openmedia guy, i wanna see how he tuned his mysqld
[10:49] <tgm4883_laptop> laga, how are those optimizations coming along?
[10:51] <therethinker2> HHm... so bzr can merge what I did with the MySQL opt. stuff, with the other versions? So shoudl I just dev. on that branch, and send the diff to you guys all at once?
[10:51] <laga> tgm4883_laptop: the stuff im adding to mcc? 90% finished. ui code and backend code is there, just need to polish it and will the msql tweaks option with useful stuff
[10:51] <tgm4883_laptop> sweet
[10:51] <tgm4883_laptop> i may need to test them out
[10:51] <superm1> therethinker2, actually since you're part of the mythbuntu team, you can merge directly into the branches
[10:51] <laga> why? mysqld trouble?
[10:52] <superm1> dont need to send diffs around
[10:52] <therethinker2> Really? Cool :)
[10:52] <superm1> just need to teach you the right way to use the merge function
[10:52] <therethinker2> Yes, please do :P
[10:52] <therethinker2> If you can't tell by my lack of knowledge of anything bzr, first timer using it :P
[10:52] <superm1> well the important thing is to bzr branch rather than bzr co when you have a big fix that might not work
[10:52] <therethinker2> k
[10:52] <tgm4883_laptop> since updating to mythbuntu, i have some serious issues
[10:52] <superm1> then you make a duplicate of the branch
[10:53] <tgm4883_laptop> and all the optimization helps:)
[10:53] <tgm4883_laptop> but mythfrontend mostly is causing me trouble
[10:53] <superm1> and you can either publish that or do a bzr co in another directory, and i'll teach you how to merge it back up when you're ready
[10:53] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, what issues?
[10:53] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, mythfrontend is giving me some seriously high cpu usage
[10:53] <tgm4883_laptop> which is strange
[10:54] <tgm4883_laptop> because before when i had 2 HD recorders in the same machine it was fine
[10:54] <superm1> laga, are these supposed to be available on non backend roles?
[10:54] <superm1> because they are available to me....
[10:54] <superm1> but that fix of yours appears to have worked
[10:54] <tgm4883_laptop> then i switched my STB out for a PVR-150 and my pata HD out for an Sata HD
[10:54] <tgm4883_laptop> and now i have major issues
[10:54] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, high usage when recordings?
[10:54] <superm1> or playback
[10:55] <tgm4883_laptop> well i noticed it during playback
[10:55] <tgm4883_laptop> i get very high gliching
[10:56] <tgm4883_laptop> this disappeared though during playback when i stopped recording HD while watching
[10:56] <superm1> so moral of the story is dont record HD while watching it?
[10:57] <tgm4883_laptop> no
[10:57] <superm1> is it don't let foxbuntu touch your stuff?
[10:57] <tgm4883_laptop> yea
[10:57] <superm1> yeah that's what i thought
[10:58] <tgm4883_laptop> I use to be able to record 2 HD programs and watch 1 just fine
[10:58] <tgm4883_laptop> now I can't record 1 HD, 1 SD, and watch 1 HD
[10:58] <superm1> any indicative errors?
[10:58] <superm1> in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log, dmesg or /var/log/syslog?
[10:58] <superm1> laga, i pushed up one more revision
[10:58] <superm1> that cleans up your GUI a little
[10:59] <tgm4883_laptop> i'll check dmesg and syslog when i get home
[10:59] <tgm4883_laptop> im actually a little worried about my backend log
[10:59] <laga> superm1: great, thanks. i'm not much of a glade guy
[10:59] <tgm4883_laptop> where do you set what gets logged
[10:59] <superm1> laga, so shouldn't those only show up on backend roles being activated?
[11:00] <laga> superm1: well. the mysqld tweak shows up if mysql-server is installed, the others show up all the time
[11:00] <laga> hum
[11:00] <superm1> well mysql tweaks showed up for me
[11:00] <laga> you might have a point there.
[11:00] <superm1> and i dont have mysql-server installed
[11:00] <tgm4883_laptop> well off to work for a few hours, i'll check those logs a little later and report back
[11:01] <superm1> it might be easiest to just set that whole vbox as sensitive(False)
[11:01] <laga> superm1: about which checkbox are you talking
[11:01] <superm1> if its not a backend role
[11:01] <therethinker2> figured out how to add a source
[11:01] <superm1> so don't let any experimental options be enabled
[11:01] <laga> oh, can i do that for a whole vbox?
[11:01] <superm1> laga, yeah
[11:01] <laga> superm1: nifty.
[11:01] <tgm4883_laptop> I think it's an issue with recording as I think the gliching is in the same place every time
[11:01] <superm1> makes life a heck of a lot easier
[11:01] <laga> superm1: alright, but that's cosmetics.
[11:01] <superm1> all the children then inherit the parent's property
[11:01] <tgm4883_laptop> and that mythfrontend is having trouble processing that
[11:01] <tgm4883_laptop> but i'll do some more tests later
[11:01] <superm1> laga, well and preventing people from changing things that shouldn't be changed on FE's
[11:02] <tgm4883_laptop> ciao
[11:02] <superm1> or non mythbuntu setups
[11:02] <superm1> cya tgm4883_laptop
[11:02] <laga> superm1: in fact, the mythtv database optimization works everyhwere - it just connects to the DB.
[11:02] <superm1> laga, for sanity's sake though, perhaps should that just be on a master backend
[11:02] <superm1> just to prevent any possible issues
[11:02] <superm1> if mysql is misconfigured
[11:02] <superm1> etc
[11:03] <superm1> limited permissions on the db
[11:03] <laga> bah. if the user fucked up like that...
[11:03] <superm1> haha
[11:03] <laga> hum
[11:04] <superm1> i'm just saying.  you want to leave as little room for people to break things
[11:04] <laga> yes, but i also want choice
[11:04] <superm1> it shouldn't be more than 10 lines of code to control it
[11:04] <superm1> just a matter of where to place those 10 lines. :)
[11:04] <laga> well, i was thinking of 2 lines ;)
[11:04] <laga> heh
[11:05] <superm1> 1 to activate, 1 to deactivate, 1-3 for an if.  1-3 for querying packages installed
[11:05] <superm1> so little less than 10
[11:05] <superm1> but yeah
[11:05] <laga> packages installed is already handled for some options
[11:05] <laga> OK
[11:05] <laga> you're right. if the system is in a backend role, the vbox will be enabled.
[11:06] <laga> i'm just used to the fact that my backends are headless boxen ;)
[11:06] <superm1> well ssh user@box -X
[11:06] <laga> and "enable mysql tweaks", is that gonna show up on all backends or just on the masteR? right now i#m checkinf if mysql-server is installed which should suffice.
[11:06] <superm1> and remember mythbuntu backends still get gdm and such for now
[11:06] <laga> true
[11:07] <superm1> well i would say you're better off querying the role it has
[11:07] <superm1> rather than check for mysql-server
[11:07] <superm1> because someone might install mysql-server on a different box
[11:07] <superm1> and i think that the mysql tweaks should only be on master
[11:08] <laga> i thought there was no master backend role without mysqld. what you're saying now is that i should make that option available because the user might have the mysqld installed on different box?
[11:08] <laga> mysql tweaks set options in the mysqld config
[11:08] <laga> therethinker2: can you commit the changes you sent me the other day?
[11:08] <superm1> well just thinking ahead
[11:09] <laga> superm1: yes, that however implies that mysqld is only installed on the master.
[11:09] <superm1> which is typically the case?
[11:09] <laga> < superm1> because someone might install mysql-server on a different box
[11:09] <laga> ^^ what were you trying to say there?
[11:09] <superm1> oh you interpreted that differnt than my intention
[11:09] <laga> probably :)
[11:10] <superm1> it was meant because if someoen installed mysql-server on their frontend, but they dont use it for myth purposes
[11:10] <superm1> say they run a website on the frontend
[11:10] <laga> ah, right
[11:10] <superm1> dont want to see that option avail
[11:10] <laga> can thurt if they install the optimizations :)
[11:10] <laga> anyways
[11:11] <superm1> in the end its your call
[11:11] <laga> it doesnt matter much i suppose.
[11:11] <superm1> as long as  the vbox only shows up on backend roles
[11:11] <superm1> that is what matters to me
[11:11] <laga> yeah
[11:11] <laga> good call.
[11:11] <laga> so, it's back to spending quality time with the GF for me, unless you have something else to discuss
[11:12] <superm1> no that should be all :)
[11:12] <superm1> i might check how you installed your perl bindings since my build failed
[11:12] <superm1> because of where i was trying to put them
[11:16] <therethinker2> S-P-GTK is so confusing... I need to find documentation
[11:21] <therethinker2> hmmm
[11:24] <laga> superm1: i have a dpatch to correct the prefixy, but that prolly isnt needed on fixes
[11:24] <laga> err, most likely not needed AFAIK
[11:24] <laga> bye
[11:25] <hansoffate> man...
[11:25] <hansoffate> the amd64 torrent is downloading at .7 kbs
[11:27] <hansoffate> yea im downloading it from the site at 450 kbs
[11:28] <superm1> well from one of the mirrors :)
[11:28] <hansoffate> yea
[11:29] <hansoffate> hey remember helping me setup mythtv on my box? i really hope I can do it by myself this time.  I think i learned alot from that experience
[11:29] <hansoffate> i never got my channel changer script fully working
[11:29] <hansoffate> i still can't change to any channels with a 2 in it
[11:37] <therethinker2> k, think thsi should work
[11:38] <superm1> hansoffate, i've helped so many people, its a blur :)
[11:39] <hansoffate> lol
[11:39] <hansoffate> after you helped me you worked with someone else to get the PVR 150 stuff to work out of the box
[11:39] <hansoffate> does that help?
[11:39] <hansoffate> i think
[11:40] <superm1> i'd have to look at the thread, i remember seeing your name, but it was some time back
[11:40] <hansoffate> yea
[11:40] <hansoffate> its cool
[11:40] <hansoffate> anyways, im really excited to get this installed
[11:40] <hansoffate> gutsy + mcc looks amazing
[11:41] <superm1> yeah it's been a lot of work, hopefully it works out well :)
[11:42] <hansoffate> yea, im still sketchy on getting my external channel changer working, does mcc do that too?  I dlled alpha 4 like 5 days ago, but i just finisehd rebuilding my computer
[11:42] <therethinker2> Whooo! I got it to work :P
[11:42] <therethinker2> whats the deb line for the mediabuntu?
[11:42] <superm1> hansoffate, no external channel changing/ir blasting yet
[11:42] <superm1> that will be for next release
[11:43] <superm1> deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ gutsy free non-free
[11:43] <superm1> therethinker2, ^
[11:43] <therethinker2> thanks
[11:43] <hansoffate> awesome.
[11:44] <hansoffate> i need to go through the ubuntu help pages and try to fix my channel changing script.  It kinda sucks not being able to change to any channels with a 2
[11:56] <Aval0n-> anyone here run their mythtv box in an enclosed cabinet
[11:56] <Aval0n-> I have had mine sitting ontop during setup phase, and now that it's nearing completion I've put it inside
[11:56] <Aval0n-> it's freakin baking in there..
[11:58] <therethinker2> :P
[11:58] <therethinker2> I have mine running in the basement
[11:59] <therethinker2> Okay, so I have a toggle function
[12:01] <therethinker2> haha, I worked on it separate from the other one :P
[12:04] <therethinker2> okay
[12:04] <therethinker2> so in glade, for the codec tab
[12:05] <therethinker2> there was only a warning thing
[12:05] <therethinker2> there weren't any boxes or stuff like that
[12:06] <tgm4883_remote> superm1, ping
[12:06] <therethinker2> Hello
[12:06] <tgm4883_remote> hi
[12:07] <tgm4883_remote> I think i found a bug in MCC, want someone to confirm
[12:07] <hansoffate> does anyone have any experience on setting up a channel changing script?  I have mine mostly working except for it can't change to the number 2.
[12:07] <therethinker2> k
[12:07] <tgm4883_remote> hansoffate, nothing good on channel 2 anyway :)
[12:08] <therethinker2> :P
[12:08] <hansoffate> i mean anything wit ha number 2 in it
[12:08] <tgm4883_remote> sticker?
[12:09] <therethinker2> You know on PBS, if you pledge xxx $, you get some gift thing
[12:09] <tgm4883_remote> wow
[12:09] <therethinker2> sticker seemed incredibly cheap at the time
[12:09] <therethinker2> Its normally like a DVD or bag or something
[12:09] <therethinker2> I just made it up :P
[12:10] <tgm4883_remote> I pledged $.82 for a Ubuntu Case badge :)
[12:10] <therethinker> :P
[12:22] <therethinker> whoops
[12:23] <therethinker2> So, I've got the function, its just I'm confused by glade
[12:23] <therethinker2> by what you said, and the comments of core.py, it would seem that they'res already a box/button for this
[12:23] <therethinker2> but I can't find it
[12:24] <therethinker2> Hello fox
[12:24] <tgm4883_remote> doesn't work
[12:24] <foxbuntu> evening therethinker
[12:24] <foxbuntu> laga, you there?
[12:24] <therethinker> Boo!
[12:24] <therethinker2> Now I'm here
[12:25] <therethinker> laga isn't, no
[12:25] <foxbuntu> ah
[12:25] <foxbuntu> always missing him
[12:25] <foxbuntu> oh well
[12:25] <therethinker> ... what are laga's mannerisms?
[12:25] <tgm4883_remote> complaining about unionfs
[12:25] <tgm4883_remote> and users of the web chat system
[12:26] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_remote, you got that one dead on
[12:26] <foxbuntu> lol
[12:26] <therethinker> I've dealt with so many people using that web chat system complaining about unionfs, I can't stand it!
[12:26] <foxbuntu> !bugs
[12:27] <therethinker> ubotu just restarted, so he may be a bit slow
[12:27] <foxbuntu> arg
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[12:27] <therethinker> what's the link to the unionfs bug?
[12:28] <therethinker> Argh, those web chatters always just hop in then leave!
[12:28] <foxbuntu> superm1, you around?
[12:28] <therethinker> he's not either
[12:28] <foxbuntu> slackers
[12:28] <tgm4883_remote> foxbuntu is striking out
[12:28] <pdragon> that was me. just felt like keeping you on your toes ;)
[12:29] <MythbuntuGuest72> hm.... so this is that web-thing...
[12:29] <therethinker3> I'm omnipresent
[12:29] <pdragon> three of them?
[12:29] <tgm4883_laptop> yay, im on for real now
[12:29] <therethinker3> pdragon, yes
[12:29] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, Your telling me
[12:30] <tgm4883_laptop> sorry, i can't control him
[12:30] <tgm4883_laptop> haha
[12:30] <therethinker> Those rubies were worth a lot of money!
[12:31] <therethinker> (that's not a euphemism)
[12:32] <therethinker> Haha, he left
[12:32] <therethinker> now we can do things to his corpse
[12:32] <foxbuntu> therethinker, he is on his laptop now
[12:32] <foxbuntu> therethinker, why so many logins
[12:32] <therethinker> I know... we can still do things to him though :P
[12:32] <foxbuntu> ?
[12:32] <therethinker> Why?
[12:32] <therethinker> I have 1 on my main box
[12:33] <therethinker> Then 2 is my gutsy VM
[12:33] <therethinker> then 3, I just tested out the web thingy
[12:33] <therethinker> I had to make sure it wasn't... er broken
[12:33] <therethinker> And safe for our... patrons?
[12:33] <foxbuntu> sure
[12:34] <therethinker2> So, who got more hurt?
[12:35] <foxbuntu> enough...
[12:35] <therethinker2> Good plan
[12:35] <therethinker2> I won  anyways
[12:35] <tgm4883_laptop> yes mom
[12:35] <tgm4883_laptop> j/k
[12:36] <therethinker> We should probably do something... productive?
[12:36] <tgm4883_laptop> foxbuntu i think i found a bug in mcc
[12:36] <foxbuntu> where?
[12:36] <therethinker> what is it?
[12:37] <foxbuntu> I prob don't know how to fix it
[12:37] <foxbuntu> I just started working on the m-c-c last night
[12:37] <tgm4883_laptop> on my gutsy laptop with mcc installed, i upgraded today and the next time i logged in i was in xfce
[12:37] <tgm4883_laptop> even though i don't have auto login installed
[12:37] <tgm4883_laptop> err, enabled
[12:37] <tgm4883_laptop> and i should have been in gnome
[12:38] <foxbuntu> do you have mythbuntu-default-settings installed?
[12:38] <tgm4883_laptop> im wondering where that is set
[12:38] <foxbuntu> or...did you have ubuntu-mythtv-desktop?
[12:39] <tgm4883_laptop> Mythbuntu artwork and setting would do it huh
[12:39] <foxbuntu> yea
[12:39] <tgm4883_laptop> can we seperate those 2?
[12:39] <foxbuntu> that will change it
[12:39] <foxbuntu> what do you mean?
[12:39] <tgm4883_laptop> can you have the artwork in gnome?
[12:39] <foxbuntu> yea
[12:39] <foxbuntu> but not via mcc
[12:40] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[12:40] <foxbuntu> go grab my artwork out of the branch
[12:40] <tgm4883_laptop> there may be a slight problem then still
[12:40] <foxbuntu> then set it up anyway you like
[12:40] <tgm4883_laptop> we need a third button for Frontend & Desktop
[12:41] <foxbuntu> hmm
[12:41] <tgm4883_laptop> that installs the frontend software, but doesn't set auto login and mythbuntu settings
[12:41] <therethinker> I agree
[12:41] <foxbuntu> I seem to think Laga is already working on something like that
[12:41] <tgm4883_laptop> sweet
[12:41] <foxbuntu> if not you can discuss it with him
[12:42] <foxbuntu> he would know better than me on that
[12:49] <therethinker> Pokes everyone
[12:50] <MitoTranin> pokes therethinker back
[12:53] <troy_s> foxbuntu: I would love to figure out a way to get speedier response time in the myth menu... I have no idea why it is gagging and it most certainly shouldn't be.  Makes testing elements brutal.
[12:54] <MitoTranin> then again, I'd also like to be able to install Mythbuntu in the first place :)
[12:54] <foxbuntu> troy_s, which menus again? all?
[12:54] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Yes.  Right out of the gate.
[12:55] <foxbuntu> troy_s, are you using OpenGL or QT?
[12:56] <tgm4883_laptop> biab
[12:57] <therethinker> Ah MitoTranin KILLED me with his poke
[12:58] <therethinker> (don't ask how I typed that, or this)
[01:02] <therethinker> Remember, laga/superm1, please clarify upon return.
[01:02] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Set to QT (thanks to the newer nvidia drivers.)
[01:02] <therethinker> Just in case I mis you guys again
[01:06] <foxbuntu> troy_s, switch to OpenGL
[01:06] <troy_s> foxbuntu: No can do.  Nvidia drivers crash my system.
[01:06] <foxbuntu> ??
[01:07] <foxbuntu> what card?
[01:07] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Surely it can't be the different between GL and QT raw???
[01:07] <troy_s> foxbuntu: 7000 series.  Borks out with 10-14 nvidia.
[01:07] <foxbuntu> yeah
[01:07] <foxbuntu> My system drags with QT
[01:07] <foxbuntu> OpenGL is much better
[01:08] <MitoTranin> I tried OpenGL and my system was dog slow with it, but then again, that was with an older system
[01:08] <foxbuntu> troy_s, which driver are you trying with? the one in the repos? or the nvidia one?
[01:08] <MitoTranin> btw, anyone know how to get around the bug that was very prominent in the 10/01 release?
[01:08] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Apparently all 10-14s bork the 7000 class.  I would need to revert to 9.
[01:08] <MitoTranin> I'm getting it in every install attempt I make with the 10/02 release
[01:08] <foxbuntu> which bug?
[01:08] <foxbuntu> troy_s, thats not all bad
[01:09] <MitoTranin> where it gets to 94% and then locks up checking for packages to remove
[01:09] <foxbuntu> I would grab the older driver and switch to opengl
[01:09] <troy_s> foxbuntu: And while GL should be better, I can't imagine that the default engine gives you nearly 2 seconds between keypresses?!
[01:09] <troy_s> (dual core amd unit here with 3 gigs of ram)
[01:09] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, I am not sure, but I think thats the uniofs bug
[01:09] <MitoTranin> superm1 said that this was the reason that the beta release is the 10/02 release and not the 10/01 release
[01:09] <MitoTranin> uniofs ?
[01:10] <foxbuntu> troy_s, sounds exactly like my system on QT
[01:10] <dannyboy79_> does anyone know how to use 1 digital lineup with 2 sources. firewire and s-video input on pvr-350?
[01:10] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, oh, that might be the cd repo bug they recently fixed
[01:11] <troy_s> foxbuntu: So with QT you don't get 2 seconds per button click before you get visual response?
[01:11] <MitoTranin> yeah, he said that they fixed it between the 10/01 and the 10/02 builds
[01:11] <MitoTranin> which is why the beta is the 10/02 build
[01:11] <MitoTranin> but I'm still getting it...
[01:13] <foxbuntu> troy_s, I would suggest giving it a try...OpenGL processes much betterthan QT and if your system has video driver issues anyhow...it can cause video lag like that
[01:13] <foxbuntu> even though it seems like a hardware lag issue
[01:14] <dannyboy79_> I have tried he cached support but it's not working. I get this: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/292513 when running mythfilldatabase --remove-new-channels per wiki here: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-24.html#ss24.4