[00:00] <OpenMedia> Oh.. Whats that?
[00:00] <foxbuntu> I am dealing with the patent issues around libdvdcss and liblame
[00:00] <OpenMedia> Oooo Lovely..
[00:00] <foxbuntu> yeah
[00:01] <foxbuntu> I think I have a soultion but its going to take quite allot of dev work
[00:01] <OpenMedia> You might need to throw in AAC as it isn't just NZ. Norway is going that way, and the UK might be following when they do HD on terrestrial
[00:01] <foxbuntu> sigh
[00:01] <OpenMedia> Hmmm Gotta go for 5...
[00:01] <foxbuntu> ok
[00:06] <directhex> OpenMedia, AFAIK, there's a twiddle in the database to enable loop filter skipping, which makes h264 playback rather less taxing on the ol' cpu
[00:09] <MythbuntuGuest23> Using Hardy pkg...  Setting Myth up and ran updates/upgrades this afternoon.  Now I cannot get Recordings, Videos, or watch live TV.
[00:10] <directhex> MythbuntuGuest23, do you have distinct back & frontends?
[00:10] <MythbuntuGuest23> getting a lot of crashes.
[00:11] <MythbuntuGuest23> Well, I think it may be related to Update Manager stalling...  Fails to install python.apt, mythbuntu-control-centre, update-manager, update-manager-core
[00:12] <MythbuntuGuest23> Not sure what you mean by distinct back and front;  Running both front/back from 1 PC.
[00:14] <OpenMedia> directhex Thanks for that.
[00:15] <OpenMedia> foxbuntu: gotta drop off for a reboot.
[00:15] <foxbuntu> np
[00:15] <MythbuntuGuest23> Any thoughts as to how to get LIVE TV and Recordings to work?  Also, would like to know why Python.apt is not installing.
[00:18] <directhex> MythbuntuGuest23, open a terminal, type "sudo apt-get -f install"
[00:20] <MythbuntuGuest23> Locked:Unable to lock the download directory
[00:20] <directhex> close any other package managers you have running
[00:22] <MythbuntuGuest23> OK. errors /user/bin/pycentral, line 1587, 1593, 1015, ect....
[00:22] <MythbuntuGuest23> Errors were encountered while processing
[00:23] <directhex> paste the exact errors yo pastebin.ubuntu.com
[00:23] <MythbuntuGuest23> Working on a differenct machine.
[00:24] <directhex> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-apt/+bug/193076 ?
[00:26] <MythbuntuGuest23> Going to add to this...  Hold a sec, logging in.
[00:28] <MythbuntuGuest23> 193068
[00:34] <MythbuntuGuest23> Cannot get this to work...  Tried an update with synaptic Package Manager..  errors out.
[00:35] <MythbuntuGuest23> Im brand new to ubuntu and truly am an amature at this...
[00:35] <MythbuntuGuest23> Found a fix at 192992, but dont know how to impliment it.
[00:49] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest23, its a problem with python-central
[00:49] <superm1> looks like someone broke it
[00:51] <npurciful> heya superm1 how goes it today
[00:51] <superm1> npurciful, alright
[00:51] <superm1> those builds worked for i386
[00:51] <superm1> amd64 i have no idea why that failed :
[00:51] <npurciful> see you finally got the i386 to build
[00:51] <superm1> yeah
[00:53] <npurciful> yeah, the new build is awesome, seeing lot of polishing
[00:56] <superm1> npurciful, any ideas on the failed amd64 build though?
[00:56] <superm1> i'm not really sure what to do to fix it.
[00:56] <superm1> seems like something not pretty
[00:56] <npurciful> i was lookin at the log
[00:57] <superm1> and i dont have an amd64 anymore that I could chroot into to debug that sort of thing unfort
[00:59] <npurciful> yeah, it looks like aacdec but i dont know
[01:00] <superm1> yeah well i've reverted the patch that is normally applied for 7.10 builds
[01:00] <superm1> er normally for 8.04 builds that is
[01:00] <superm1> and that made the i386 go
[01:00] <superm1> but that amd64, i really dunno
[01:01] <npurciful> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/133097
[01:01] <npurciful> looks like your not the omly one
[01:02] <npurciful> err
[01:02] <npurciful> oops well it has happend before
[01:14] <rogue780> howiddly do
[01:14] <sevlor> hello again
[01:15] <sevlor> anyone have any issues with mythdvd playing too fast?
[01:24] <sevlor> ok, nevermind, i am having issues with everything playing back way too fast
[01:24] <OpenMedia> superm1 - you around?
[01:28] <superm1> yeah
[01:43] <npurciful> ah playin with virtualbox, installing myth and adding 2TB storage mount
[01:43] <sevlor> hmm for some reason my machine has developed the double clock spee problem
[01:44] <npurciful> crap my pizza is burnt
[01:48]  * rogue780 hates pointers in c++
[01:49] <Ghost1227> i'm having issues with my pvr-150, anyone got a sec to help me out?
[01:50] <egghead3> is there a better player then the internal one for playing dvd files in iso format?
[01:50] <Ghost1227> egghead3: i use vlc personally
[01:51] <rogue780> VLC rulez
[01:51] <egghead3> works well for iso's?
[01:51] <Ghost1227> works great for everything
[01:51] <egghead3> :) cool
[01:51] <egghead3> ill google it
[01:51] <egghead3> thanks
[01:52] <Ghost1227> egghead3: http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
[01:52] <npurciful> videolan.org
[01:52] <rogue780> Ghost1227, FTW!
[01:52] <Ghost1227> lol
[01:52] <egghead3> thnaks all
[01:52] <Ghost1227> any time
[01:53] <Ghost1227> now if only i could find someone who has a prv-150...
[01:54] <npurciful> havent got one but whats the issue
[01:54] <Ghost1227> i have a pvr-150 that works well, but only up to channel 50... after 50 it just gives static
[01:55] <npurciful> cable or antenna
[01:55] <Ghost1227> cable
[01:55] <npurciful> has it ever worked
[01:56] <Ghost1227> not on this setup
[01:56] <szakulec> did you set the channel frequency to cable-hru (not plain cable)?
[01:57] <npurciful> above 50 maybe scramble need a convertbox
[01:57] <Ghost1227> szakulec: no, where is that option?
[01:59] <egghead3> ghost i have a pvr-150, it working on a dishnet box
[02:00] <Ghost1227> szakulec: i found it
[02:00] <szakulec> okay
[02:00] <Ghost1227> testing that now
[02:01] <npurciful> good lord it takes forever write inode tables for 2TB
[02:09] <Ghost1227> lol
[02:09] <Ghost1227> if it makes you feel any better, i'm compiling my kernel right now... i'd forgotten how long that takes
[02:14] <szakulec> if you plan to do big compiles on a regular basis, you'll want ccache
[02:16] <Ghost1227> lol
[02:18] <Ghost1227> not the first time i've done this
[02:20] <Ghost1227> although it is the first time i've done something this in depth in almost a year... building from the ground up
[02:22] <npurciful> lol, 1.9 TB free, i am retarted just wanted to see what it would be like so i made a 2TB virtual drive image
[02:23] <npurciful> it took like 40min to write the inode tables
[02:24] <szakulec> how much actual space does it take up?
[02:24] <npurciful> 9mb
[02:24] <szakulec> not bad
[02:24] <foxbuntu> well then just make a 500TB Virtual drive :)
[02:24] <foxbuntu> or go for 1PB
[02:26] <npurciful> heh, would but i think 2gb is the max
[02:26] <npurciful> or 2TB
[02:27] <npurciful> it fun to have the thing you cant afford
[02:27] <Ghost1227> lol
[02:27] <szakulec> based on what you said, to do a 1 PB image would take 333 hours or so
[02:27] <npurciful> hehe
[02:28] <npurciful> give or take a day or two
[02:29] <Ghost1227> lol
[02:31] <npurciful> yeah the max is 2TB :(
[02:38] <szakulec> anyone use the other video devices on the pvr-250 (video24 or video32)?
[02:52] <MythbuntuGuest23> superml, you there?
[02:55] <MythbuntuGuest23> I am on the Hardy pkg...  Is the Feisty package mostly bug free.. Thinking of switching as I have been having too many problems.
[02:56] <tgm4883_laptop> pkg of what?
[02:57] <MythbuntuGuest23> I am on 8.04 alpha 2...  It is crashing often and now I cannot get TV.  Unsure if it is related to the latest bug or if I will have continued problems.  Thinking of switching to 7.04
[02:58] <MythbuntuGuest23> Wondering if it is stable and bug free...  Also would like to know if it has the same version of MythTV
[02:59] <tgm4883_laptop> well mythbuntu doesn't have a 7.04, only a 7.10
[03:00] <MythbuntuGuest23> ur right...  Is it stable? and does it have the same MythTV version?
[03:00] <tgm4883_laptop> it uses .20.2
[03:00] <tgm4883_laptop> although you can use .21 if you like
[03:01] <MythbuntuGuest23> And how would I be able to get .21?
[03:01] <tgm4883_laptop> http://mythbuntu.org/auto-builds
[03:01] <MythbuntuGuest23> Does .21 have issues? or is it Ubuntu that is giving me the headache?
[03:02] <tgm4883_laptop> could be both, they are both technically unstable, however, i'd lean toward it being hardy, as it is more unstable
[03:04] <MythbuntuGuest23> OK, thanks...  I think I am going to do a clean install of 7.1.  When Hardy and 2.1 are stable, I will be able to upgrade to them w/o having to run a fresh install?
[03:08] <tgm4883_laptop> yes
[03:09] <MythbuntuGuest23> Great, thanks for the assistance tgm4883
[03:11] <MythbuntuGuest23> OK, now I am having problems w/ 7.1 install...  Getting Debootstrap warning.  Failure wile configuring base packages.  Unable to continue.
[03:53] <MythbuntuGuest23> Setting partitions; where do movies, recordings, ect go...  Need to know if I could use /home, or /media...
[03:55] <MythbuntuGuest23> Sorry, unfamiliar w/ the storage structure.  Migrated from MythDora.
[04:02] <superm1> by default they are in /var/lib/
[04:03] <superm1> there are videos dirs there
[04:03] <superm1> music
[04:03] <superm1> recordings etc
[04:03] <superm1> you can put them wherever you want though to change things
[04:51] <npurciful> j
[04:53] <npurciful> crap i ran out of prerecorded stuff to watch
[04:54] <MythbuntuGuest23> thanks superml.  I just loaded mythbuntu 7.10; ran the pkg update..  Now want to do apt-get upgrade/update.    Ive been having issues with running out of shows.
[04:54] <superm1> or update-manager
[04:55] <MythbuntuGuest23> thanks...  user error.
[04:55] <npurciful> no kidding MythbuntuGuest23 at least there back now
[04:56] <MythbuntuGuest23> Is update-manager the same as apt-get update?
[04:57] <MythbuntuGuest23> For now right...  Seems to me, if I can recall correctly, the baseball leagues striked more than once (wanted more money).
[04:57] <npurciful> update-manager is a gui for apt
[04:57] <MythbuntuGuest23> nice to know
[04:58] <npurciful> and they have million dollar contract, gofigure
[04:58] <MythbuntuGuest23> right... Think the set designers, camera men, ect are going to get more money with this strike or will they be next?
[04:59]  * npurciful notes: goes out of his way to use commandline!
[04:59] <npurciful> uh if the cameramen left we would be screwed
[05:00] <MythbuntuGuest23> How did I install the nvidia driver last night superml.
[05:01] <MythbuntuGuest23> npurciful...  I wonder if the writers were working when they went on strike, you know, still writing...  If they took a vacation I recon it will be a while until heroes and other kicka** shows are on.
[05:02] <MythbuntuGuest23> Not seeing Nvidia logo at boot or in the System> folder.
[05:02] <npurciful> yeah, if i where a writer i would be working on material
[05:03] <MythbuntuGuest23> lets hope right... getting a bit sick of the reality shows.
[05:03] <MythbuntuGuest23> And summer is nearing.
[05:03] <npurciful> on of my favorites show got canceled case of the strike. K*ville
[05:03] <rhpot1991> it was on fox, what more did you expect?
[05:03] <npurciful> true
[05:04]  * rhpot1991 is still bitter over fox axing arrested development
[05:04] <rhpot1991> and futurama
[05:04] <npurciful> it was just 2 show away from full season
[05:04] <MythbuntuGuest23> Really,  never knew.  There were SOOO many pilots this year I had to really pick and choose what to watch.  Now there is nothing to watch.  Go figure right.
[05:04] <npurciful> yeah good shows too
[05:05] <MythbuntuGuest23> Do you know the command to load the "Nvidia" software, or should I just locate in Package Manager.
[05:05] <foxbuntu> MythbuntuGuest23, nvidia-settings
[05:06] <npurciful> kville was cost fox alot of money, they said if the strike would of been less than couple week that they would of finished it
[05:06] <npurciful> costing
[05:06] <npurciful> the strike was escape goat
[05:07] <MythbuntuGuest23> Makes sence... HBO has cancelled a some good shows as a result of money; Crnival and Deadwood really were great!
[05:08] <npurciful> yeah, i wasnt even thinking about premium channel just got HD OTA
[05:09] <MythbuntuGuest23> Now my resolution on TV is off...  set to auto!  This happened to me last night.  Rebooted, nothing.  Today I fired it up and it was working.  unsure what I, if anything, did.
[05:09] <MythbuntuGuest23> You just setup HD? not sure what OTA is
[05:10] <npurciful> Over the Air
[05:10] <npurciful> Antenna
[05:11] <MythbuntuGuest23> On, nice... Was reading about a box, think it is HD Homerun; has 2 tuners for $140 at Newegg...  Pretty sweet deal, thinking about it.    But had the pinguin soo it MUST be good.
[05:14] <MythbuntuGuest23> I have a Mozart Sx box...  Think the next one (media room) will be the Mozart TX...  Just having wet dreams at night thinking about it.
[05:15] <MythbuntuGuest23> http://thermaltakeusa.com/product/Chassis/fulltower/Mozarttx/ve1000_index.asp
[05:16] <MythbuntuGuest23> The feedback Ive read about it is very posotive...  Pricing is not too bad either.
[05:16] <MythbuntuGuest23> >>>HDHR
[05:17] <npurciful> yeah
[05:17] <MythbuntuGuest23> Now Im ready to have fun... Setting up the MediaMVP
[05:17] <MythbuntuGuest23> Damb b**** to set.
[05:18] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest23, there is a wiki page on that
[05:18] <superm1> look on help.ubuntu.com
[05:18] <MythbuntuGuest23> There is a plethera of knowledge out there... each does it a bit different
[05:20] <MythbuntuGuest23> I started on this today, but had to load 7.10... Used a doc for the H2...  Could not find one for H3 which is what I use.
[05:20] <npurciful> MythbuntuGuest23: that case is crazy
[05:20] <MythbuntuGuest23> It is SOOOO sweat  (think of the cooling and quiteness) 2 Motherboards...  ect...  Search it on youtube.  There are some wicked setups.
[05:21] <npurciful> superm1: i just read that hdhomerun sends it logs to silicon dust can you verify this?
[05:21] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest23, well that was written in a sense of coming from mythbuntu
[05:21] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest23, and a few different situations that you can be in it covers afaik
[05:21] <superm1> npurciful, where did you read that?
[05:21] <MythbuntuGuest23> It was... Just not the correct model I am wanting to use; superml
[05:22] <npurciful> newegg
[05:22] <superm1> npurciful, i'd look somewhere more reputable first regarding that....
[05:22] <superm1> npurciful, i've never heard such things
[05:23] <rhpot1991> newegg sells hd homeruns???
[05:23] <npurciful> sounded wrong to me but i thought i might ask
[05:23] <npurciful> yeah
[05:23] <MythbuntuGuest23> Using MediaMVP Frontend doc....  GOOD SOLID Writeup...  The information on Mythbuntu blows Mythdora away!
[05:23] <rhpot1991> ouch, $180
[05:23] <rhpot1991> you can find them for $150
[05:23] <npurciful> Cons: Debug mode sends logs to manufacture, not stored locally so you can't do any troubleshooting yourself makes it a pain to fix problems.
[05:23] <MythbuntuGuest23> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815327005&Tpk=hd%2bhomerun
[05:24] <npurciful> yeah, i was going to get on at mythic
[05:24] <superm1> npurciful, so if you "put" it in debug mode
[05:24] <MythbuntuGuest23> SiliconDust HD Homerun Dual Network HDTV ATSC/QAM Tuner for $179
[05:24] <superm1> not like it logs habits
[05:24] <superm1> and sends them
[05:24] <npurciful> hehe
[05:25] <npurciful>  yeah, paranioa
[05:25] <MythbuntuGuest23> Dumb question to ask, but how do I get the icons on desktop from the dropdown menu.
[05:25] <superm1> on the desktop?
[05:25] <superm1> like copy them there?
[05:25] <MythbuntuGuest23> Sounding like a friken idiot here.
[05:26] <MythbuntuGuest23> yeah,  "hides under desk"
[05:26] <superm1> er you mean just right clicking the desktop, that menu u get up
[05:26] <rhpot1991> its been a while since I tried to do that, it used to be a pain in the
[05:26] <rhpot1991> superm1: he wants to add them to the actual menu in the pannel
[05:26] <rhpot1991> like you would in the windows start menu
[05:26] <superm1> i dont understand
[05:26] <superm1> rhpot1991, you can field that question then
[05:26] <MythbuntuGuest23> I quess, or at the top (menu bar).
[05:27] <rhpot1991> well I don't know the answer
[05:27] <MythbuntuGuest23> Sure, but I would like a few setup on the desktop.
[05:27] <rhpot1991> superm1: in gnome, you hit applications then say accessories
[05:27] <rhpot1991> he wants to add his shortcut in there
[05:27] <superm1> oh
[05:27] <superm1> right click the menu and hit edit i'd guess?
[05:28] <MythbuntuGuest23> Forget that... On to an important question, is there an area in the Frontend setup to clarify the IP address?
[05:29] <MythbuntuGuest23> Setup it up on the backend.  Documentation I am reading states I sould set it up at Setup, Setup, General (second page).  There is no area for this.
[05:29] <rhpot1991> wait
[05:29] <rhpot1991> I got it
[05:29] <rhpot1991> right click on "applications"
[05:29] <rhpot1991> and select edit
[05:29] <rhpot1991> can do it in there
[05:30] <rhpot1991> wow, thats way easier then it used to be
[05:30] <superm1> isnt that what i said?
[05:30] <rhpot1991> kinda, but I took your words to be inside the menu
[05:30] <rhpot1991> but it is exactly what you said
[05:30] <rhpot1991> stupid english language
[05:31] <MythbuntuGuest23> I would say bickering, but what do I know... really
[05:31] <MythbuntuGuest23> Thanks rhpot1991
[05:32] <rhpot1991> thank superm1, he said it first
[05:33] <MythbuntuGuest23> So how about it, Do I need to set the local IP address in Myth Frontend for the MediaMVP?
[05:33] <MythbuntuGuest23> yah, ur right... THanks superml
[05:36] <MythbuntuGuest23> I did run into another situation today, where is the POSTER directory (for movies). Have clip art for my collection... Do I just put it in the movies directory?
[05:38] <rhpot1991> keep it seperate, cause it will scan them as if they are movies if they are in the same directory
[05:38] <rhpot1991> doesn't effect much, just annoying
[05:41] <MythbuntuGuest23> Where is the directory to dump them... Was POSTERS in MythDora.
[05:41] <npurciful> hum it is funny how my supposed DTS recieve wont except dts passthough, but it will accept AC3
[05:43] <npurciful> i keep mine in .poster directory in the video folder
[05:47] <MythbuntuGuest23> thxs...
[05:50] <MythbuntuGuest23> MythWeather is working in the new 2.1  Doesnt seem to work on the older build.  I am going to switch to VoIP and had read somewhere that MythPhone isnt working.  Any truth to that?
[05:51] <MythbuntuGuest23> Must say it is pretty SWEET>..  There is a bug in the Active Map; PC locked when I tried to enter a location.
[05:54] <npurciful> i had a problem with mythweather earlier today, apperently the weathersource didnt update in the db when i upgrade this morning, i just had to edit the locations of the scripts in the db
[05:54] <npurciful> yeah, mythweather in mythweb is awesome to
[05:55] <npurciful> but the weathermaps dont working mythweb
[05:56] <npurciful> what did you type for location on the maps
[06:00] <MythbuntuGuest23> I too wsa working on it today... Could be same issue.  My hometown (Rapid City SD)
[06:02] <npurciful> the maps you have to search for regions Southweast, southcentral or just radar
[06:02] <npurciful> i just searched for radar
[06:04] <foxbuntu> npurciful, one of my many to-do's is a big upgrade to MythWeather
[06:04] <npurciful> cool foxbuntu
[06:05] <foxbuntu> I have a weather modeling firm local to me that does weather data for all of the US, I am moving the locations for every US Zipcode into a cross referenced DB I am adding to the backend, and will tie it all back together with cleaner dedicated data
[06:06] <foxbuntu> the maps will be radar centered on the the zipcode you provide
[06:06] <foxbuntu> no more searching by city name
[06:07] <npurciful> that would awesome
[06:07] <superm1> hm so i wonder if my totem update hit hardy yet
[06:08] <foxbuntu> superm1, what ddi you do to totem?
[06:08] <foxbuntu> did rather
[06:08] <superm1> it speaks myth
[06:08] <superm1> neat i think it did
[06:08] <npurciful> foxbuntu: 2mile from the NWS in Oklahoma
[06:08] <foxbuntu> cool
[06:10] <superm1> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4360059#post4360059
[06:11] <rhpot1991> neat superm1
[06:12] <superm1> its far less useful than it seems at this point
[06:12] <superm1> but eventually it will be really neat
[06:13] <superm1> rhpot1991, man it feels weird to be on the end of "needing sponsorship"
[06:14] <rhpot1991> heh
[06:14] <rhpot1991> its a pain to say the least
[06:14] <rhpot1991> especially when you are working the day before a FF
[06:14] <superm1> yeah yesterday did you see the stuff that slomo found on my package
[06:14] <superm1> its insane!
[06:14] <rhpot1991> which package?
[06:14] <rhpot1991> missed that somehow
[06:15] <rhpot1991> looks like both of mine are still in new
[06:16] <rhpot1991> prob gonna be there for a while?
[06:18] <superm1> probably clear NEW this week
[06:19] <superm1> mine was gmyth
[06:19] <superm1> getting it into debian
[06:19] <rhpot1991> are they more picky there?
[06:22] <npurciful_> that sucked, ISP booted me and my computer locked up reseting the connection
[06:23] <foxbuntu> npurciful_, what are you doing that your ISP booted you?
[06:23] <foxbuntu> ;)
[06:24] <rhpot1991> maybe he has comcast
[06:24] <foxbuntu> ha
[06:24] <npurciful_> nothing it is this stupid Wireless Internet though cellphones, i cant do anything but look at webpages, private ip (not P2p)
[06:24] <rhpot1991> they used to boot me every night at midnight, and every time I ran torrents
[06:24] <npurciful_> not  = no
[06:25] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, thats helpful
[06:25] <npurciful_> ATT want to charge me 500$ or a public ip
[06:25] <foxbuntu> ??
[06:25] <foxbuntu> holy crap tastic
[06:26] <npurciful_> superm1: thats cool w/ the totem deal
[06:27] <superm1> rhpot1991, yeah they are very much so
[06:28] <rhpot1991> hmmm c# aint half bad, I wish I used this at work instead of asp.net
[06:28] <npurciful_> i assume that totem would be fore liteweight viewer
[06:29] <superm1> yeah
[06:30] <npurciful_> is totem cross platform if it was then you could use it for a remote frontend
[06:30] <superm1> i dont think it is right now
[06:31] <rhpot1991> vlc plugin would rock
[06:31] <superm1> yeah it would
[06:31] <superm1> well with libgmyth0
[06:31] <superm1> its possible
[06:31] <superm1> thats how the gstreamer plugin was written
[06:37] <npurciful> hah, pixmaps work with this build
[06:37] <npurciful> thats nice
[06:41] <superm1> they didn't before?
[06:48] <npurciful> backend went to 200%
[06:48] <npurciful> pixmaps for mythweb
[06:51] <npurciful> well it is 1am got to work tommorrow see ya later
[07:42] <camelreef> good morning (GMT)
[07:45] <camelreef> pretty quiet here still, heh
[09:28] <Nikas> imdb works again :) Just "install" the new imdb.pl :)
[09:29] <Nikas> wget http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/mythplugins/mythvideo/mythvideo/scripts/imdb.pl?format=raw
[09:30] <Nikas> sudo mv imdb.pl\?format\=raw imdb.pl /usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/imdb.pl
[09:30] <Nikas> oups.. right one: sudo mv imdb.pl\?format\=raw /usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/imdb.pl
[09:36] <Nikas> Nope.. thats wrong too. ;) Here you go: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2211002&postcount=3
[09:45] <levander> After I rip a DVD using mythdvd, to what file on the filesystem does the ripped file go?
[09:47] <levander> nm, i just found it.  /var/lib/mythtv/videos
[10:06] <MythbuntuGuest23> what command do I use to create a file.
[10:08] <Nikas> touch filename.ext
[10:08] <Nikas> or create one with a editor ... like nano filename.ext
[10:08] <MythbuntuGuest23> thanks nikas,  using the nano.
[10:09] <Nikas> np :)
[10:44] <MythbuntuGuest31> how do I check to see if firewall is running
[10:48] <MythbuntuGuest31> Or, is there a firewall setup after installation?
[10:57] <directhex|bsp> no, there's no firewall as standard on ubuntu
[10:57] <directhex|bsp> there's one coming in 8.04
[10:59] <MythbuntuGuest31> thks, setting up H3 MediaMVP and struggling
[11:02] <MythbuntuGuest31> Is there a dhcpd.conf file? location?
[11:03] <directhex|bsp> i don't run a dhcp server, sorry
[11:15] <levander> Can someone tell me what the persmissions are supposed to be in /var/lib/mythtv?
[11:16] <levander> I just played with mounts on my system and think I messed them up
[11:16] <levander> if someone could paste the output of these two commands, that's what i need:
[11:16] <levander> ls -ld /var/lib/mythtv
[11:16] <levander> ls -ld /var/lib/mythtv/*
[11:18] <Nikas> ls -ld /var/lib/mythtv/* - drwxrwxr-x 2 mythtv mythtv
[11:19] <Nikas> ls -ld /var/lib/mythtv - drwxr-xr-x 6 root root
[11:20] <MythbuntuGuest25> Is there anyone who can assist me with a MediaMVP H3 install?
[14:38] <bear_> hello
[14:39] <bear_> does the new mythbuntu have the ability to setup diskless clients?
[14:41] <bear_> or can i install mythbuntu then chroot to install another mythbuntu install for a client? or should i just use mythtv over ubuntu?
[14:42] <rhpot1991_laptop> I believe that 8.04 will have some sort of diskless support
[14:43] <bear_> is it in the alpha?
[14:43] <rhpot1991_laptop> one of the devs was trying to get it done before the hardy feature freeze, and I believe that he did
[14:44] <bear_> cool might give it a look tonight...makes it easier than chrooting..for lazy people like me
[14:47] <rhpot1991_laptop> bear_: not sure where it lives or what the current state is, might want to wait for someone who knows a little more about what actually happened with it
[14:48] <bear_> ok, np
[14:48] <bear_> on a side not would the chroot thing work if i used ubuntu server and built from there?
[15:17] <canatella> hello
[15:18] <canatella> to test 8.04 alpha, do dist-upgrading from mythbuntu gutsy to hardy is OK ?
[15:48] <Nikas> canatella: Yes.. but i got big problems with the system hard locks..
[17:57] <levander> After I've ripped a DVD to an iso using mythdvd, is there any automated way to re-encode it down to own of the lower quality levels available in mythdvd?
[17:58] <levander> Or, do I have to re-rip the DVD?
[18:00] <tgm4883_laptop> i'd rerip
[18:00] <levander> it seems like the only option
[18:00] <tgm4883_laptop> you can transcode it, but with every transcode you lose quality
[18:01] <tgm4883_laptop> is there a reason to do this?
[18:01] <levander> tgm4883_laptop: It's just that I've already ripped it, and would rather not wait for the rip to happen again.
[18:01] <levander> It takes like half an hour.
[18:02] <tgm4883_laptop> right, but are you trying to make it smaller or what?
[18:02] <levander> tgm4883_laptop: I ripped it to an ISO, so there wasn't any initial quality loss.
[18:02] <levander> tgm4883_laptop: Yeah, smaller.
[18:02] <tgm4883_laptop> secondly, it's still going to take time
[18:02] <tgm4883_laptop> :blink:
[18:02] <levander> Yeah.
[18:02] <tgm4883_laptop> i'm confused
[18:02] <levander> Just not as much time.
[18:03] <tgm4883_laptop> you ripped it to iso so there wasn't any quality loss, now you want to transcode it, which will cause quality loss
[18:03] <levander> tgm4883_laptop: I decided my initial decision was wrong, and now I don't mind losing quality to gain the extra space.
[18:03] <levander> Get it now?
[18:03] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[18:04] <tgm4883_laptop> ok, that makes sense then
[18:04] <tgm4883_laptop> sounded like you thought you weren't losing any quality this way
[18:04] <levander> No.  It's just a time thing.
[18:04] <tgm4883_laptop> well it's stilll going to take a fair amount of time.  Transcoding is pretty intense
[18:05] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm, probably the easiest way would be to mount the iso, link it to the dvd dir and run the mythdvd backup again
[18:05] <levander> I'm assuming there's a very good technical reason why you can't watch videos on any mythbox except where the actually video files sits? (well, can't unless you use cifs/nfs)
[18:06] <tgm4883_laptop> um
[18:06] <levander> tgm4883_laptop: Interesting little thing with the iso.  I wouldn't have thought of that.
[18:06] <tgm4883_laptop> cause it's not transfered via the mythtv protocol.  I don't have a better reason though.  You could poke around in mythtv-users if you really want an answer
[18:07] <levander> Okay, last question.  Is the reason I didn't get subtitles in this one video because I didn't rip all the Titles?
[18:07] <levander> I can't seem to get subtitles turned on.
[18:07] <tgm4883_laptop> no, afaik subtitles would be in the same title that you ripped
[18:08] <tgm4883_laptop> all the info for that particular movie segment is in the title, different audio tracks, angles, subtitles, video
[18:08] <levander> Damn, it's a french movie and I'll have no idea what's going on without subtitles.
[18:08] <tgm4883_laptop> well thats your first problem ;)
[18:09] <levander> It looks like you not only have to mount /var/lib/mythtv/videos over the network to watch videos on your frontend, you also have to mount a directory in your home folder that contains cover art image files.
[18:10] <levander> Well, I guess it'd still work without the cover art...
[18:11] <tgm4883_laptop> i'd have to check on that when i get home, but I believe it works with only the first dir shared
[20:00] <rhpot1991_laptop> I'm looking for someone who is running gutsy and has the proprietary codecs enabled
[20:02] <Nikas> i have
[20:09] <rhpot1991_laptop> Nikas: can you pastebin your output of ffmpeg --version ?
[20:09] <rhpot1991_laptop> !pastebin | Nikas
[20:09] <ubotu> Nikas: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[20:11] <Nikas> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56657/
[20:11] <Nikas> right? ;)
[20:11] <rhpot1991_laptop> yep thats it thanks
[20:11] <Nikas> whii ;)
[20:27] <Relkin> I am running Mythbuntu 7.10 on an Intel P4 3.0 GHz system using an ATI X800 (R430).  I want to output s-video, but the screen constantly rolls using the vesa drivers.  When I try to use fglrx (ver 8.37.6, May 25, 2008 ), it reverts to failsafe all the time and displays garbage on any connected display.  I have run through the various wikis and searched google, but cannot seem to overcome this problem.  Also, when I try to run fg
[20:34] <sshirley> hi everyone
[20:36] <sshirley> Does mythbuntu use a different list of available video drivers than what is in the system? Mythbuntu, by default, doesn't recognized my video card (ATI Radeon 2600 HD Pro). It only uses the vesa driver. I installed the latest driver for that specific card. But it doesn't appear in the list when mythbuntu boots up. Any ideas?
[20:38] <Daviey> sshirley: you installed the binary ati driver?
[20:40] <sshirley> yes. but since i am using composite video, unless I checked it to be ok, mythbuntu always comes up with a dialog saying "ooops, you're in low resolution mode". when i go into the dialog to configure, it ALWAYS comes up with vesa even thought I select flgrx (or whatever) and save.
[20:40] <Relkin> that was happening to me, too, sshirley
[20:41] <sshirley> Ok. What did you do to fix it, Relkin?
[20:42] <Relkin> I came here :)
[20:42] <sshirley> Mind you, the driver for the 2600 HD series was not a part of the default mythbuntu install. I had to install that driver. But it is still not showing up in that list.
[20:42] <Relkin> Yes, the ati drivers are part of the restricted distribution
[20:43] <sshirley> Beautiful, Relkin, beautiful. :-)  Grace me with your knowledge. :-)
[20:43] <Relkin> I had to specifically enable download and enable the drivers
[20:43] <Relkin> but, I have not solved the problem.
[20:43] <sshirley> From Synaptic?
[20:44] <Relkin> It was whatever Mythbuntu looked into, which happens to be the "linux-restricted-modules" repo
[20:44] <sshirley> or within that video driver dialog?
[20:44] <Relkin> I was using the gui and it was not taking my changes, so I would edit xorg.conf directly according to the many wiki's and forum posts.
[20:45] <sshirley> Right. I have that enabled from within the control center
[20:45] <Relkin> It always revers to its failsafe with my ATI drivers.
[20:45] <Daviey> Might be an idea to look at a more modern fglrx?
[20:45] <sshirley> Even though you edit the xorg.conf file??
[20:45] <Daviey> some moan about it, but envy will help with this
[20:46] <Relkin> will that nexeccarily break anything with Myth?
[20:46] <Daviey> shouldn't do
[20:46] <sshirley> Catalyst 8.2 was just released 5 days ago
[20:46] <Daviey> (no promises)
[20:46] <sshirley> envy?
[20:47] <Relkin> I'm running fglrx 8.37.6 (5/27/08 ) now, but thinking I might want to look at the ATI binaries (as you suggest)
[20:47] <Relkin> directly from ATI...  I just wget'd them
[20:47] <Daviey> envy = script to install latest fglrx
[20:47] <Daviey> http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[20:47] <sshirley> So enable from within Mythbuntu or Ubuntu?
[20:50] <Relkin> Mythbuntu and Ubuntu are the same, except that Mythbuntu is customized/optimized for MythTV.
[20:50] <Relkin> Daviey: thanks.
[20:51] <sshirley> Right. Ok...enable from the OS or from within MythTV Control Center, I should say.
[20:52] <Relkin> Daviey: Got a question re: s-video...  Do the ATI drivers support S-video out for movie-watching, etc?
[20:57] <Daviey> Relkin: no idea, never used ATI + S-Video
[20:58] <Relkin> k
[20:58] <sshirley> Relkin: Yes. I use that right now.
[20:59] <Relkin> Odd... I can't get that working right, either....  it just rolls on the screen.
[20:59] <sshirley> It's still using the vesa driver, but the card itself is outputting to the s-video port. I have read that ATI does support this in all of their drivers. If only I could get mine to recognize the card itself.
[21:00] <sshirley> I just plugged it in and it worked out-of-the-box even without drivers. I could install mythbuntu from the livecd
[21:15] <MnDBnDr> Hello all
[21:17] <npurciful> whats up
[21:18] <npurciful> err, dvd::rip is slow
[21:21] <tgm4883> npurciful, doesn't dvd::rip also transcode?
[21:21] <npurciful> yeah, that is the slow part 25fps slower than real time
[21:22] <npurciful> sometimes as slow a9fps
[21:22] <npurciful> s/a/as
[21:24] <rhpot1991_laptop> npurciful: why not use myth to rip that dvd?
[21:24] <Nikas> Envy should come "pre-installed" with MythBuntu ;)
[21:25] <npurciful> i normally do but this dvd has only 1 title with 14 chap each, and i want to separted chapters
[21:25] <rhpot1991_laptop> ah ok
[21:25] <rhpot1991_laptop> I still need to make a wiki entry for problematic dvd's
[21:26] <npurciful> yeah, it sucks also recompiling k3b for dvdread support
[21:26] <npurciful> see if it is faster
[21:27] <npurciful> it took 35min for 4min video
[21:27] <rhpot1991_laptop> I've fount the myth ripper to be pretty quick, until you hit something that has a junked up protection scheme
[21:27] <npurciful> rhpot1991_laptop: yeah, myth would even play Mr Woodcock
[21:28] <npurciful> f*ckers
[21:29] <rhpot1991_laptop> npurciful: I've come across a lot of movies that wont play in myth, using netflix and all
[21:30] <npurciful> sucks
[21:30] <rhpot1991_laptop> npurciful: http://www.kalysto.org/utilities/dd_rhelp/index.en.html
[21:30] <rhpot1991_laptop> I use that for problematic dvd's, takes a while to rip, but it will skip the problem areas and you can just kill it once it stops pulling good data
[21:31] <tgm4883> Nikas, I disagree
[21:31] <tgm4883> Envy can die a slow death
[21:32] <Nikas> hehe why?
[21:32] <tgm4883> seen it destroy a few installs
[21:32] <tgm4883> it's almost as good as automatix
[21:32] <Nikas> oh.. not good. Glad it worked for me then..
[21:33] <Relkin> it's working ok for me, except that the ATI driver doesn't want to play nice with me.
[21:34] <npurciful> rhpot1991_laptop: thanks for the info
[21:35] <rhpot1991_laptop> npurciful: make sure you use a log if you do that, cause you can ctrl+c and kill it and resume at any point
[21:35] <rhpot1991_laptop> cause its pretty cpu intensive
[21:36] <npurciful> alright :)
[21:37] <Relkin> any reason why the ati binaries wouldn't play nice with the X800 (R430)?  My screen just goes to gibberish when I try to use those drivers and, until I manually change the xorg.conf, it reverts to the "failsafe" mode of "low resoliution"
[21:39] <rhpot1991_laptop> tgm4883: running an ipod test now
[21:40] <rhpot1991_laptop> finally got my ffmpeg squared up, got a version from superm1's ppa that was old and shouldn't have been there
[21:50] <tgm4883> has anyone seen my bluetooth adapter?
[21:51] <rhpot1991_laptop> prob right in front of your face, thats where things I can't find are normally hiding
[21:52] <tgm4883> nope, already checked there
[21:56] <npurciful> in your hand
[21:57] <npurciful> i sometimes am holding the object that i am looking for and cant findit
[21:59] <tgm4883> your name isn't jessica is it?
[21:59] <directhex> SHE's married to roger rabbit?
[22:14] <joecurlee> hi all... i am running ubuntu 7.10. Just installed mythtv via synaptic and when I try to run the front end i get "database configuration 1/2. Myth could not connect to the database. please verify your database settings below."
[22:15] <joecurlee> i'm using host: localhost, database: mythconverg, user: mythtv, my supplied password, and MySQL for the database type
[22:15] <joecurlee> any help would be awesome as I'm finding a lack of content via google
[22:16] <directhex> "supplied" how, exactly?
[22:16] <joecurlee> on installation i was given a password
[22:16] <directhex> did you definitely install a backend AND frontend, and have mysql installed?
[22:16] <joecurlee> "generated password for this machine is" etc.
[22:16] <joecurlee> yes
[22:16] <joecurlee> backend is running right now
[22:17] <joecurlee> when i run sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start
[22:17] <tgm4883> try <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:17] <directhex> and 'mysql -umythtv -hlocalhost -p mythconverg' in a console works fine?
[22:17] <joecurlee> i get "mythbackend already running, use restart instead."
[22:17] <joecurlee> ok
[22:19] <joecurlee> hmm access denied
[22:21] <directhex> the plot thickens
[22:21] <joecurlee> very odd
[22:21] <tgm4883> did you check conectivity in mcc?
[22:22] <joecurlee> ok apparently i need root for the user and my system pw
[22:23] <joecurlee> however the db mythconverg doesn't exist
[22:23] <tgm4883> did you have a mysql server previously to installing mythtv?
[22:23] <directhex> someone set a mysql root password, methinks
[22:24] <directhex> which breaks mythtv-database
[22:24] <joecurlee> actually i might have... i tried to reinstall once before but that was a bit of a blur as i was partially drunk and i thought i wiped my system sometime afterwards
[22:24] <directhex> well. installation thereof
[22:24] <MnDBnDr> What is the default size of the root partition?
[22:24] <directhex> MnDBnDr, as large as you ask for, minus about 500 meg
[22:25] <directhex> joecurlee, okay, try this. 'dpkg-reconfigure -plow mythtv-database'. if memory serves, it should ask your mysql root password when it ballses up
[22:25] <MnDBnDr> What size does the installer choose?
[22:26] <joecurlee> ok trying now
[22:26] <tgm4883> MnDBnDr, the installer formats the entire drive to 2 partitions, 1 for swap, 1 for /
[22:26] <MnDBnDr> I have /myth mounted on an LVM now using Knoppmyth and want to switch to Mythbuntu without loosing my LVM
[22:26] <tgm4883> although you can use manual configuration
[22:26] <MnDBnDr> problem is my / is only 4.7gb now
[22:27] <directhex> MnDBnDr, you have complete control of this stuff, you know
[22:27] <tgm4883> hmm
[22:27] <tgm4883> that is pretty low
[22:27] <tgm4883> i usually do around 12Gb
[22:27] <directhex> 5 gig for /? that's plenty!
[22:27] <MnDBnDr> yeah, just checking that the total install in / is not too big.  Just in case I have to resize
[22:27] <tgm4883> oh
[22:27] <directhex> christ, mythbuntu installed i can't see as bigger than 3 gig
[22:27] <tgm4883> then what am I thinking?
[22:28] <tgm4883> oh wait, thats just my rule of thumb for regular ubuntu installs
[22:28] <directhex> you only need a big / if you don't have a separate /usr/local and you install ut2004 :)
[22:28] <tgm4883> which would be me :)
[22:28] <directhex> and doom3, and quake 4, and you get the idea
[22:28] <joecurlee> directhex: thanks that worked
[22:28] <tgm4883> I only do a seperate /home
[22:29] <tgm4883> and a seperate /var/lib if it's a mythtv system
[22:29] <directhex> joecurlee, i am so smrt! now, you really want to run mythtv-setup
[22:29] <MnDBnDr> ok.  So I have a 5gb / and a 2gb swap and a 1.3tb lvm with Knoppmyth.  Do you suggest resizing my LVM to free up some space?
[22:29] <MnDBnDr> only 350gb is in use in the LVM
[22:30] <directhex> MnDBnDr, like i said, 3 is more than enough for /
[22:30] <joecurlee> cool doing that now
[22:30] <MnDBnDr> including /var/lib and /usr/local?
[22:30] <MnDBnDr> in /
[22:31] <joecurlee> when asked for ip address, would it be better to enter localhost as this address might change?
[22:31] <directhex> MnDBnDr, if you don't use the default recordings dir, /var/lib isn't a problem
[22:31] <directhex> joecurlee, if it asks for an ip, it needs an ip
[22:31] <joecurlee> k
[22:31] <MnDBnDr> i use /myth for all myth media
[22:31] <MnDBnDr> mounted on lvm
[22:31] <directhex> joecurlee, if you mean mythtv-setup, it needs an ip so it knows which interface to listen on (hostnames aren't interface-specific)
[22:32] <MnDBnDr> thx guys
[22:32] <directhex> joecurlee, if your network shuffles around a lot, then go for <IP_ADDRESS> if you don't want networked access, or set a static ip if you do
[22:33] <joecurlee> cool i'll go with that
[22:34] <joecurlee> one other question: I don't want to mess with video sources yet... is that required before testing out mythtv?
[22:43] <directhex> no, but a functional backend really is. even if it's functional and empty
[22:43] <directhex> your backend would have been Sad without the database
[22:44] <joecurlee> lol right
[22:44] <joecurlee> yea i think the backend is working now
[22:44] <joecurlee> i'm scanning for channels... not sure if this is going to work
[22:44] <joecurlee> i've spent hours upon hours on my current setup trying to tweak things
[22:45] <joecurlee> bah! scan yielded no results... no message either
[22:54] <szakulec> anyone here have a better way to record from the vcr than cat /dev/video0 >movie.mpg ?
[23:05] <joecurlee_> ugh so far so bad... mythtv frontend and backend running, but no video... can't find any channels when scanning, and if i try to "watch tv" i get a message telling me that the tuner is already being used for recording.
[23:59] <npurciful> err, that pisses me off
[23:59] <directhex> what, levander joining? i agree


[07:54] <dholbach> good morning
[15:50] <Vince-0> mweb's seacom fails
[15:50] <Vince-0> (wrong channel)


[00:23] <bbyever> hi
[00:23] <bbyever> how do i submit a patch to debian?
[00:48] <bbyever> how do i submit a patch to debian?
[01:01] <Caesar> Hi, I've just provided a fix for #218964, could someone possibly sponsor it for me?
[01:04] <emgent> Bug #218964
[01:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218964 in xfdesktop4 "Installing xfdesktop4 changes the GDM theme" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218964
[01:04] <emgent> no0ticoglione: we know
[01:05] <emgent> Caesar: try to subscribe cody sommerville
[01:37] <bbyever> if im reporting a bug with a patch, should i attach the patch to the email?
[01:39] <RAOF> bbyever: Reporting to Debian?  Yes.  Reporting to Launchpad, probably.
[01:40] <bbyever> RAOF: reporting to debian
[01:40] <bbyever> RAOF: what should i put on the user tag?
[01:41] <RAOF> I don't know offhand.  I always refer to the BTS howto page
[01:42] <RAOF> http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
[01:44] <bbyever> it just says username....
[01:46] <RAOF> It's not _necessary_ to have usertags.  There is an Ubuntu wikipage I think you're thinking of, though...
[01:47] <bbyever> yeah i saw the wiki page
[01:47] <RAOF> We're talking about this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/ReportingToDebian?highlight=%28debian%29 right?
[01:48] <RAOF> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Debian/Usertagging page is linked from it, and contains examples if you want to do it manually.
[01:48] <bbyever> yes
[01:49] <bbyever> i was just wondering what to put as User:
[01:49] <RAOF> It says what to put as user there :)
[01:49] <RAOF> User<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:49] <bbyever> oh, i thought it was just an example...
[01:49] <RAOF> Nope; that's the correct user (it says so at the top of the page) :)
[01:50] <bbyever> damn...
[01:50] <bbyever> uhhh
[01:50] <bbyever> i've sent the email with a diferent user....
[01:51] <bbyever> uhhh
[01:51] <bbyever> mm
[01:51] <bbyever> what should i do now?
[01:51] <RAOF> Eh; it doesn't matter too much.  You can probably do something like "bts user<EMAIL_ADDRESS>. usertag 123456 + origin-ubuntu hardy" to add the right tags.
[01:52] <RAOF> (123456 would be the debian bug #)
[01:52] <bbyever> ok
[01:53] <bbyever> do i sent that as a mail or in the terminal?
[01:55] <RAOF> That would be using the 'bts' script.  You could also send it as a mail.  (I'm just reading this from the above linked wiki page :))
[01:56] <bbyever> haha ok thanks :)
[02:08] <bbyever> RAOF: i couldnt change it... but if it not so important i guess it not so bad. at least now i know...
[02:42] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:24] <ScottK> heya bddebian.
[04:24] <ScottK> Looks pretty quiet.
[04:24] <emgent> i go to sleep
[04:24] <emgent> night all
[04:25] <bddebian> Heya ScottK, aye
[04:25] <bddebian> Gnight emgent
[04:58] <awmcclain> I need to change my distribution from "unstable" to what? Gutsy? Hardy? in order to upload to PPA?
[05:00] <TheMuso> awmcclain: Depends on what distribution you want it to be built and installable against.
[05:01] <awmcclain> TheMuso: Is there a wiki page somewhere talking about the polishing steps for ubuntu?
[05:01] <awmcclain> Also, there aren't any ubuntu-specific conventions on packages compared to debian, correct?
[05:02] <TheMuso> awmcclain: Polishing? Have you checked out the MOTU pages?
[05:02] <TheMuso> awmcclain: Not as far as I know of.
[05:02] <TheMuso> awmcclain: Some packages need Ubuntu-specific changes, however.
[05:03] <awmcclain> TheMuso: Right. I'm re-packaging a lot of perl and perl-based modules, so I haven't run into that.
[05:03] <TheMuso> Right.
[05:03] <awmcclain> TheMuso: I have checked the MOTU pages; Right now this is just going in my PPA
[05:04] <TheMuso> Ok.
[05:05] <awmcclain> Basically, I'm looking for docs explaining the changes to "distribution" and any other ubuntu-specific changes i'd need to make to the package contents.
[05:06] <ScottK> awmcclain: For PPA specific help, you can try #launchpad.
[05:06] <awmcclain> ScottK: I did. It's dead.
[05:06] <awmcclain> :(
[05:09] <ScottK> awmcclain: OK.  PPA isn't really an Ubuntu thing, it's a Launchpad thing, so although you may get some help here, it's not really the right place.
[05:11] <awmcclain> ScottK: Ah, sorry. I was really just looking for a place for "making-debian-package-kosher-for-ubuntu" questions.
[05:11] <awmcclain> I very much appreciate all MOTU's help.
[05:11] <ScottK> OK.  That we can help with.
[05:12] <ScottK> For Perl stuff all you should have to do is give it an appropriate revision number and change the distro.
[05:14] <awmcclain> Well, so in uploading to an unnamed apt-repository that rhymes with raunchrad, I found that my templates generated by some of the debhelper scripts, namely "Distribution: unstable". I was just wondering if there were any other things I should watch out for. And what is the correct syntax for distro?
[05:15] <awmcclain> s/scripts/ scripts didn't work
[05:18] <ScottK> Normally for an Ubuntu upload that's unique, we append ubuntu1 to the debian revision, so 0.93-1 would be updated to 0.93-1ubuntu1.  If the upstream version isn't in Debian yet, then it's a 0, e.g. 0.94-0ubuntu1.
[05:19] <ScottK> For a backport, we add ~release so that it has a lower revision number and upgrades work.  e.g. 0.94-0ubuntu1~gutsy.
[05:19] <ScottK> err 0.94-0ubuntu1~gutsy1
[05:19] <ScottK> Then I tack a ~ppa1 on the end of that so that if it makes it into the official repo, then the official revision number is higher.
[05:20] <ScottK> That's how I do it.
[05:20] <ScottK> awmcclain: ^^
[05:21] <ScottK> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-clamav/+archive shows you a number of examples.
[05:22] <awmcclain> And if there aren't any ubuntu-specific changes, you don't add the -ubuntuX... i think i remember reading that.
[05:22] <awmcclain> If i want to specify the distro as, say, gutsy and hardy, how would I do that?
[05:23] <ScottK> If you're uploading to Ubuntu (or PPA) and not to Debian, then by definition there's an Ubuntu specific change because Debian doesn't have it.
[05:23] <ScottK> You specify that in debian/changelog
[05:23] <ScottK> Same line you put the version in.
[05:24] <ScottK> FYI, the pkg-perl team in Debian seems pretty open.  If you're making Perl packages, you might want to consider getting them into Debian (and thus in the next Ubuntu release).
[06:00] <Caesar> emgent: what's his launchpad user name?
[06:00] <Caesar> emgent: nm, I think I've found him
[07:06] <\sh> moins
[07:09] <slangasek> plus
[07:10] <StevenK> cube
[07:12] <slangasek> ... cube?
[07:12] <StevenK> Sure, it's a mathematical function, like plus
[07:12] <slangasek> ok
[07:12] <slangasek> I was speaking French, but ok ;)
[07:12] <StevenK> Oh, that wasn't clear :-)
[07:19] <\sh> damn
[07:20] <\sh> the first time I requested something over ubuntus requesttracker...hopefully you can solve this mess
[07:33] <Hobbsee> \sh: what have you done?
[07:33] <\sh> Hobbsee, I'm getting now spam mails via canonical smtp servers with my ubuntu address...
[07:34] <\sh> last week it was only one a day...now I'm getting them at least once per 2 hours or so..I'll save them now to make a stat out of it...
[07:34] <Hobbsee> \sh: ah yeah.  That happens.
[07:35] <Hobbsee> \sh: as in, they're coming in via the canonical smtp, ie they're going to your @ubuntu.com address
[07:35] <Hobbsee> they like spammng them
[07:38] <\sh> Hobbsee, yes, but a simple content filter should help...(looking for sender lines like<EMAIL_ADDRESS>checking for recipient lines like<EMAIL_ADDRESS>drop that mail if it's not coming from known servers)
[07:38] <\sh> as we know that we don't use the canonical smtp servers to send mail for @ubuntu.com addresses, because the known addresses a forward only ones
[07:38] <StevenK> \sh: Er,
[07:38] <StevenK> \sh: Sure we do
[07:39] <StevenK> What do you think requestsync does?
[07:39] <\sh> StevenK, -EWRONGIMPLEMENTATION then...or provide methods for using smtp auth via lp accounts or whatever
[07:40] <StevenK> You're still able to send via @ubuntu.com
[07:41] <dholbach> good morning
[07:42] <\sh> StevenK, ok...then add a contentfilter which checks even the gpg signature of the sender...afaik for creating bugs it needs a valid gpg signature ...
[07:42] <\sh> or just add smtp auth functionality towards fjordland and let the smtp auth methods check against known LP accounts
[07:47] <\sh> StevenK, but fact is, I don't think that it's normal to send mail from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to the very same<EMAIL_ADDRESS>via direct injection to fjordland...
[07:47] <StevenK> \sh: No, I agree that should be fairly uncommon
[07:54] <awmcclain> I'm repackaging an upstream SVN version which has an existing debian folder (and tons of its dependencies). What's the best way to handle both the changes to the debian package and the changes that need to be made to make it ubuntu compliant?
[08:40] <zasf> I'm trying to build gnome-applets from svn
[08:40] <zasf> I'm using pbuilder but I get some errors I don't understand
[08:42] <zasf> this is the end of pbuilder build -> http://pastebin.com/m2460e881
[08:44] <dholbach> zasf: you could try asking in #ubuntu-desktop - did you run ./autogen.sh?
[08:44] <dholbach> or gnome-autogen.sh rather
[08:45] <zasf> daniel, I added DEB_CONFIGURE_SCRIPT := $(CURDIR)/$(DEB_SRCDIR)/autogen.sh to debian/rules
[08:46] <dholbach> then best ask in #ubuntu-desktop
[08:46] <zasf> thanks
[10:41] <james_w> desktop-file-validate is reminding me that "Encoding" is deprecated, should it just be removed?
[10:42] <Fujitsu> If you're otherwise rewriting the .desktop, please kill it.
[10:42] <Fujitsu> But don't kill it if it'd be the only modification.
[10:43] <james_w> sure, I'm adding OnlyShowIn for a milestoned bug
[10:44] <james_w> I'll just add it as a recommendation to the bug with the patch, this package has a maintainer.
[10:44] <james_w> thanks Fujitsu
[11:00] <hyperair> hi there. is there any chance that bug #186938 be uploaded into the repository before the final release? nautilus-wallpaper is currently completely broken
[11:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 186938 in nautilus-wallpaper "nautilus-wallpaper not working in hardy heron after update to nautilus-2.21.6" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186938
[11:02] <hyperair> i meant the fix for the bug. whoops
[11:12] <james_w> hyperair: hi. I assume that it works?
[11:12] <james_w> first thing would be to clean up the version numbering and reduce it to a single changelog entry.
[11:13] <james_w> you need to get an ack from the desktop team for the upload though, that's what the last comment says
[11:15] <hyperair> james_w: yes it works
[11:16] <james_w> great!
[11:17] <hyperair> so i need to get an ack from desktop team?
[11:17] <hyperair> how do i do that?
[11:17] <hyperair> oh wait
[11:17] <hyperair> i just wait then
[11:17] <hyperair> =)
[11:17] <james_w> they're subscribed
[11:17] <hyperair> awesome
[11:18] <james_w> if you clean up the debdiff then you could ask here
[11:18] <hyperair> alright i'll get on it
[11:21] <Laibsch> Hi, when is revu.tauware.de coming live again?  The day that hardy is released (~1 week)?
[11:23] <james_w> Laibsch: the archive for intrepid doesn't open straight away after the release of hardy.
[11:23] <james_w> I think it's hoped to have revu back online before that though.
[11:24] <Laibsch> "that" being what?
[11:25] <Fujitsu> Er, isn't it working now?
[11:25] <Laibsch> yes, it is working
[11:25] <Fujitsu> spooky looks OK.
[11:25] <Laibsch> the website is up
[11:25] <hyperair> james_w: i've updated the changelog to show just one entry and built a new debdif
[11:25] <hyperair> *debdiff
[11:25] <Laibsch> I was wondering when the revu process kicks back in
[11:26] <hyperair> james_w: also uploaded to the bug already.
[11:28] <Fujitsu> Laibsch: Ah, so you don't mean any technical issues?
[11:35] <Laibsch> no, sorry if my message was confusing
[11:35] <Laibsch> I want to push a few packages into debian/ubuntu which aren't there yet
[11:36] <Laibsch> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=gourmet is an example
[11:36] <Fujitsu> I'd strongly advise you to push them to Debian.
[11:38] <Laibsch> I think I already did
[11:38] <Laibsch> Let me check
[11:38] <Fujitsu> No point pushing them through REVU, then.
[11:38] <Laibsch> Well, I did not, it turns out
[11:39] <Fujitsu> Please do.
[11:39] <Laibsch> and the reason is http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12176586/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.gourmet_0.13.7-1ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[11:39] <Laibsch> I'll see if it builds in hardy
[11:39] <Fujitsu> I thought you said it wasn't in Ubuntu...
[11:39] <Laibsch> It's been a while and I don't remember where and why I got stuck exactly
[11:40] <Laibsch> Fujitsu: It's not
[11:40] <Laibsch> That is my ppa
[11:40] <Fujitsu> Ah. THat's wrong versioning.
[11:40] <Laibsch> OF course ;-)
[11:40] <Fujitsu> That implies it's in Debian, and Ubuntu.
[11:40] <Laibsch> I am not so well-versed yet
[11:40] <Laibsch> Which is why I tought revu might be a good idea for revision
[11:41] <Laibsch> I don't use debian at all
[11:50]  * Hobbsee wonders hwo to list all build depends in a package, without downloading the source
[11:51] <Hobbsee> found it.
[11:51] <slytherin> Hobbsee: if you have deb-src urls in your sources.list then ... :-)
[11:52] <laga> Hobbsee: how?
[11:52] <Hobbsee> grep-dctrl -s Build-Depends -F Package konversation -n /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Sources
[11:52] <laga> hum
[11:52] <slytherin> Hobbsee: or you can use launchpad. :-D
[11:52] <laga> i think i'll use apt-get source. ;)
[11:52] <Hobbsee> slytherin: er, yes, i can do that....
[11:53] <Hobbsee> laga: not for ia32libs or something :P
[11:53] <Hobbsee> laga: i have a file called UsefulCommands.  It contains a lot of htese runes, and what they do
[11:53] <laga> Hobbsee: you should mirror it on the wiki :)
[11:53] <Hobbsee> heh
[11:53] <Hobbsee> some of it's already there
[11:54] <Laibsch> what is the correct version for a gutsy package where upstream source is release 0.13.7-1.  The package is neither in ubuntu or debian.  0.13.7-1-0ubuntu1~gutsy?
[11:55] <Hobbsee> Laibsch: add a 1 at the end, then yeah, i'd say so.
[11:56] <Hobbsee> Laibsch: you may need to go to <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1~gutsy1 or so, to avoid it being native.
[11:56] <Fujitsu> Erm.
[11:56] <Fujitsu> ubuntu1 implies it's in Ubuntu.
[11:56] <Fujitsu> Maybe -0+ppa1~gutsy1
[11:56] <Hobbsee> laga: a lot of it is seeds stuff, etc.
[11:56] <Hobbsee> laga: so not useful to a lot of people
[11:56] <laga> Hobbsee: seeds = the evil
[11:56]  * Hobbsee doesn't midn them - or at least, the last incarnation of them
[11:57] <laga> Hobbsee: i probably need to be exposed to them a bit longer to take the scariness away
[11:58] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:58] <laga> i'm just happy the mythbuntu alternate disk is working now, after bugging cjwatson for like ten times :)
[12:08] <james_w> Hi all. If anyone has a bit of time it would be great to fix https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/link-monitor-applet/+bug/185318
[12:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185318 in link-monitor-applet "link-monitor-applet dependency problems" [Medium,Confirmed]
[12:10] <Laibsch> The package I am trying to build needs "Error: PyGTK-2.3.93 or newer is required."
[12:11] <Laibsch> I have "python-gtk2 (>=2.3.93)" in build-deps but still the build from scratch fails.
[12:11] <Laibsch> Do I need a different package?  python-gtk2 2.12.0 is being installed into the chroot.
[12:11] <Laibsch> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12176586/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.gourmet_0.13.7-1ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[12:14] <james_w> Laibsch: look in configure.ac or configure.in for the test that it being used.
[12:15] <james_w> Laibsch: ah, sorry, wrong end of the stick
[12:15] <Laibsch> yep, no configure file
[12:28] <Hobbsee> Laibsch: try the -dev package of that
[12:28] <Laibsch> hm, of course!
[12:36] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Can I convince you to let me upload/sync http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mpich/news/20080416T210221Z.html?
[12:36] <Fujitsu> It fixes an upgrade issue I just discovered.
[12:37] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: fine
[12:38] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Thanks. Am I likely to get a sync processed, or should I do it myself?
[12:39] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: unsure, ask slangasek
[12:39] <Fujitsu> I guess I need to wait for approval anyway, so I might as well request it.
[12:39] <Hobbsee> i'm assuming they'll do another run, so, i haven't synced the one i want done yet
[12:40] <Hobbsee> sarah@saturn:~% apt-cache unmet -i | grep Package | wc -l                9:40PM
[12:40] <Hobbsee> 107
[12:40] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[12:41] <Iulian> Hi
[12:41] <slangasek> further syncs for hardy/universe are probably subject to archive admin availability, and the ease with which we can determine that it's been acked by motu-release
[12:46] <Hobbsee> slangasek: are you accepting all ones done by motu-release members are acked?
[13:54] <Skiessi> !info vlc
[13:54] <ubotu> vlc (source: vlc): multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6.release.c-0ubuntu5.1 (gutsy), package size 1135 kB, installed size 3228 kB
[13:54] <Skiessi> ...
[13:55] <Skiessi> !info+1 vlc
[13:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about info+1 vlc - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:55] <Fujitsu> !info vlc hardy
[13:55] <ubotu> vlc (source: vlc): multimedia player and streamer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.8.6.release.e+x264svn20071224+faad2.6.1-0ubuntu3 (hardy), package size 1113 kB, installed size 3228 kB
[13:55] <Skiessi> http://wiki.videolan.org/Changelog/0.8.6f
[13:56] <Fujitsu> I didn't notice a new CVE.
[13:56]  * Fujitsu looks.
[13:56] <Fujitsu> Only in VLC.
[13:56] <Fujitsu> Can they release things so frequently with security fixes.
[13:57] <Fujitsu> I think their codebase probably needs to be blown away and rewritten properly, but I can't see that happening...
[14:00] <slytherin> the day gstreamer supports DVD fully, VLC will become irrelevant on linux.
[14:01]  * laga doesnt use gstreamer at all, AFAIK
[14:01] <slytherin> laga: What do you use then? mplayer?
[14:02] <Fujitsu> What's missing in GStreamer DVD support? Menus?
[14:02] <laga> slytherin: mplayer, xine, amarok, vlc, mythtv.
[14:02] <slytherin> Fujitsu: yes, and subtitles
[14:02] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[14:03] <slytherin> laga: wow, I used to use xine few years back but these days totem/rhythmbox is my favourite combination except when I have to play VCD. At that time I use mplayer.
[14:04] <laga> slytherin: i dont use gnome, so my exposure to gstreamer is limited
[15:33] <norsetto> scottk: could I have your opinion on bug 219121 ?
[15:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 219121 in nautilus-wallpaper "nautilus extensions still not in accordance with latest libnautilus" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/219121
[16:55] <Zelut> can anyone give me some insight into jigdo? particularly, what makes up the .template file?
[17:06] <james_w> Zelut: hi. Have you seen http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/howjigdoworks.html#THE.TEMPLATEFILE ?
[17:07] <StucKman> hi all. I'm trying to backport hardy's lm-sensors-3 to feisty. I had to modify one of the Makefiles, and now I'm getting undefined references, even if the correct objects get into the library and the compilation later links to the correct library. can anyone help with this?
[17:07] <StucKman> I can provide more info, collecting right now
[17:12] <StucKman> http://pastebin.lugmen.org.ar/4003
[17:51] <RainCT> How can I install .po files (with cdbs)?
[17:53] <doko> ScottK, sistypoty: please could you have a look at bug #191658 ?
[17:53] <doko> or another MOTU
[17:53] <ScottK> doko: Looking
[17:54] <doko> ScottK: this is for UVF exception (packaged as new source and binaries)
[17:54] <ScottK> Right.
[17:56] <ScottK> doko: For the FFe, you need two motu-release.  I just acked it, so that's half of it.
[17:57] <doko> ScottK: I know ...
[17:57] <ScottK> doko: Sorry.  Just making sure.
[17:58] <doko> ScottK: but no others are here ...
[17:58] <ScottK> norsetto: I acked your nautilis-wallpaper bug.  You around?
[17:58] <ScottK> We'll see about him.
[17:59] <norsetto> Scottk: nautilis-wallpaper?
[17:59] <ScottK> norsetto: bug 219121
[17:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 219121 in nautilus-wallpaper "nautilus extensions still not in accordance with latest libnautilus" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/219121
[17:59] <norsetto> scottk: oh right, thats eiciel, thanks!
[17:59] <ScottK> Whichever package it was that you actually had a question about.
[18:00] <ScottK> norsetto: Would you please have a look at doko's bug ^^^
[18:00] <norsetto> scottk: just a sec, I'm fixing 219245 right now
[18:00] <ScottK> K
[18:03] <asomething> Any universe sponsors around willing to look at Bug #218172 for me? It already has a motu-release ACK.
[18:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218172 in pychess "pychess fails to run on hardy kde4" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218172
[18:06] <RainCT> asomething: I'm looking at it
[18:07] <asomething> RainCT: Thanks!
[18:16] <RainCT> asomething: Great, uploading it now. Thanks.
[18:17] <asomething> RainCT: Thank you!
[18:30] <norsetto> bug 191658
[18:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 191658 in ubuntu "GlassFish V2 UR1" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191658
[19:01] <emgent> heya people
[19:20] <laga> bryce__: you working on bug #144322?
[19:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144322 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "interlacing broken in gutsy on radeon/ati open source driver" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144322
[19:21] <bryce_> laga nope
[21:23] <norsetto> we need help with bug 219346
[21:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 219346 in tseries "r-base transition" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/219346
[22:31]  * laga wonders if someone wants to ack a FFE: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythbuntu-diskless/+bug/219356
[22:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 219356 in mythbuntu-diskless "mythbuntu-diskless-client-builder udeb breaks d-i" [Undecided,New]
[22:32] <slangasek> laga: superm1 is empowered to ack those for mythbuntu
[22:33] <laga> oh, he is. thanks.
[22:33] <laga> slangasek: "those" == anything related to mythtv or just -diskless?
[22:34] <RainCT> laga: anything related to mythubuntu (which is in universe)
[22:34] <RainCT> well, I'm off.. good night all
[22:34] <RainCT> s/which/as long as it/
[22:35] <laga> great
[22:35] <crimsun> slangasek: should we be mentioning MOTU-Release ACKs to you post-upload?
[22:35] <laga> less paperwork is always good
[22:37] <slangasek> crimsun: preferably to the archive admin on duty or to $member_of_release team, not to me specifically ;)
[22:38] <crimsun> slangasek: ok.  Are you on duty? ;)
[22:38] <slangasek> no, I'm up past my post-RC bedtime
[23:33] <norsetto> nighty all


[12:34] <CIA-12> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal feisty * r4063 /kubuntu/firefox-startpage/kindex-de.html: German Kubuntu FF startpage
[02:50] <ubotu> New bug: #103549 in ubuntu-docs (main) "Possible private comment in basic-commands in Ubuntu Feisty package "ubuntu-docs"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103549
[02:55] <Susana> hi, since the importing of ubuntu-docs starts today, i would just like to point out bug 103549 where a private comment is made in a string
[02:55] <ubotu> Malone bug 103549 in ubuntu-docs "Possible private comment in basic-commands in Ubuntu Feisty package "ubuntu-docs"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103549
[04:11] <nixternal> hiya jjesse
[10:00] <shirish> any wiki writers here?
[11:07] <mdke> morning
[11:20] <mdke> morning
[11:20] <mdke> ouch, damn scrollback
[11:21] <mdke> nixternal: damn, that's a nasty bug. Is that in kubuntu too?
[11:31] <mdke> Gwaihir: I'm going to try and fix that xreflabel stuff; I *think* that it can be done without any string changes
[11:33] <Gwaihir> mdke: that would be great!
[11:34] <Gwaihir> mdke: what about the internal link to GNOME guide?
[11:35] <mdke> Gwaihir: doing that now too, no string change
[11:36] <Gwaihir> wonderful!
[11:36] <CIA-12> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke feisty * r4064 /ubuntu/ (20 files in 20 dirs):
[11:36] <CIA-12> Ubuntu Documentation: * fixing internal link in newtoubuntu to enable localisations - bug 103308
[11:37] <ubotu> Malone bug 103308 in ubuntu-docs "newtoubuntu documents has link to English version of user-guide rather than localised version" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103308
[11:37] <CIA-12> Ubuntu Documentation: * removing embarassing aside from basic-commands - bug 103549
[11:37] <ubotu> Malone bug 103549 in ubuntu-docs "Possible private comment in basic-commands in Ubuntu Feisty package "ubuntu-docs"" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103549
[11:37] <CIA-12> Ubuntu Documentation: * refreshing pot files
[11:37] <mdke> there is a string change in basic-commands though, I'll post to -translators now
[11:37] <Gwaihir> ok... i'll check launchpad...
[11:39] <mdke> I didn't upload it yet
[11:39] <Gwaihir> I see :)
[11:40] <Gwaihir> but I'll refresh the page once in a while ;)
[11:40] <mdke> ok
[11:43] <CIA-12> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke feisty * r4065 /ubuntu/ (18 files in 18 dirs): removing erroneous xreflabels from windows doc, no string changes
[11:44] <mdke> Gwaihir: ^^
[11:45] <Gwaihir> mdke:
[11:45] <Gwaihir> uplaoded?
[11:45] <mdke> that's our svn
[11:45] <Gwaihir> ok
[11:47] <mdke> I've also uploaded the basic-commands.pot to rosetta, I don't know how long it takes to import it though
[11:48] <Gwaihir> how much time do we have before the freeze?
[11:48] <mdke> I dunno
[11:48] <mdke> it depends on when I have time to download the translations
[11:48] <mdke> I'll do it tomorrow I think
[11:49] <mdke> I can't really leave it until later because I'll be too busy after that
[11:50] <Gwaihir> ok
[11:55] <CIA-12> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r4066 ubuntu/ (3 files in 3 dirs): updating with my changes to branches/feisty
[11:57] <Gwaihir> I'm going for lunch,,, see you later!
[12:10] <ubotu> New bug: #103663 in ubuntu-docs (main) "typo in basic-commands.xml" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103663
[02:59] <CIA-12> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke feisty * r4067 /ubuntu/about-ubuntu/about-ubuntu-C.omf: we need this back... it's broken the panel entry
[03:01] <CIA-12> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke feisty * r4068 /ubuntu/about-ubuntu/ (C/about-ubuntu-C.omf about-ubuntu-C.omf about-ubuntu.pot): moving omf file to the right place, refreshing pot template
[03:06] <CIA-12> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke feisty * r4069 /ubuntu/about-ubuntu/ (160 files in 80 dirs): refreshing translations to add omf files
[03:08] <CIA-12> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke feisty * r4070 /ubuntu/get-pot.sh: simplify this script
[03:24] <nixternal> mdke: the personal note to self bug?
[03:24] <nixternal> or the preparing.xml bug :)
[03:25] <nixternal> the preparing one is nasty, but if you remember you and LaserJock told me about how evil xreflabels were, so I replaced everyone of them in Kubuntu docs
[03:26] <mdke> nixternal: the former.
[03:26] <nixternal> ya, I don't have either of those files, so Kubuntu is good
[03:27] <nixternal> my nasty bug right now is "the the" :)
[03:27] <nixternal> I am not even worried about fixing that in feisty
[03:28] <mdke> no, not a biggie
[05:15] <ubotu> New bug: #103769 in kubuntu-docs (main) "Bad translations" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103769
[06:56] <nemphis> hi all
[06:56] <nemphis> i've a little question
[06:57] <osg> hi
[06:58] <nemphis> under which licence are the community docs (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UserDocumentation) available?
[07:03] <osg> Not sure.
[07:03] <osg> I could not find anything by searching for license or related terms.
[07:04] <nemphis> osg: me too
[07:08] <nemphis> osg: i found something about the licence on this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/License, but i'm not sure whether it applies to the community docs also.
[07:12] <osg> Looks like you found your answer.
[07:31] <nemphis> osg: ok. thanks for your help.
[07:31] <nemphis> good bye
[07:31] <osg> np
[07:31] <osg> heh
[09:06] <mdke> osg: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WikiLicensing has the answer
[09:30] <LaserJock> hi mdke
[09:31] <mdke> ello there LaserJock
[09:31] <mdke> all well?
[09:32] <LaserJock> I suppose
[09:32] <LaserJock> I'm home sick
[09:32] <mdke> how come?
[09:32] <LaserJock> I've got a cold
[09:33] <mdke> I mean, why aren't you home?
[09:33] <LaserJock> I am
[09:33] <mdke> ah
[09:33] <mdke> "I'm home, sick" as opposed to "I'm homesick"
[09:33] <LaserJock> I'm at home, sick
[09:33] <mdke> doh
[09:33] <LaserJock> sorry
[09:33] <mdke> my bad :)
[09:33] <mdke> get better soon
[09:34] <LaserJock> I think I managed to get edubuntu-docs in decent shape with sbalneav's help
[09:34] <mdke> right
[09:34] <mdke> by the way, I just got your email to the list about that today...
[09:34] <mdke> it was dated quite a bit earlier, must be some list issues still
[09:34] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:34] <mdke> I'll request an account for him
[09:34] <LaserJock> I just got it too
[09:35] <LaserJock> I think it was part of the lists.ubuntu.com problems lately
[09:35] <LaserJock> that would be greatly appreciated
[09:35] <LaserJock> I even managed to get some .pots up
[09:36] <mdke> cool
[09:36] <LaserJock> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/edubuntu-docs/+pots/
[09:36] <mdke> nice job
[09:36] <LaserJock> obviously not a lot of time for translation
[09:36] <LaserJock> but the system's all there
[09:36] <mdke> plenty of time for updates
[09:36] <mdke> and next release will be super :)
[09:36] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:36] <LaserJock> your yelp patch works wonderfully :-)
[09:36] <mdke> good
[09:36] <LaserJock> that's a big help
[09:37] <mdke> I've broken the about-ubuntu panel entry with the last ubuntu-docs upload ;)
[09:37] <mdke> seems that it needs the omf file to work
[09:37] <LaserJock> uh oh :-)
[09:37] <mdke> simple fix, fortunately
[09:38] <LaserJock> man, I've realized a lot with edubuntu-docs how difficult all this stuff is
[09:38] <LaserJock> translations, yelp frontpage, etc.
[09:38] <mdke> naahhh
[09:38] <mdke> I would have thought the rest of Ubuntu is a lot harder!
[09:39] <LaserJock> I guess it depends
[09:39] <mdke> what's edubuntu-about.desktop?
[09:39] <LaserJock> I'll still think packaging "normal" stuff is easier
[09:39] <LaserJock> that's the About Edubuntu menu entry
[09:39] <LaserJock> it sits next to the About Ubuntu one
[09:39] <mdke> that doesn't get done in gnome-panel?
[09:39] <LaserJock> nope
[09:39] <mdke> how is the Ubuntu one translated?
[09:40] <LaserJock> it's included in the gnome-panel translation
[09:40] <LaserJock> the problem is that if it was in gnome-panel then it'd show up on Ubuntu user's machines too
[09:40] <mdke> hmm
[09:40] <mdke> oh, right
[09:40] <mdke> good job with that :)
[09:41] <LaserJock> and since it's part of Edubuntu docs I figured we should just do it
[09:41] <LaserJock> sooo, I had to figure out how to do it
[09:41] <LaserJock> so I got seb128 to add in a patch to gnome-panel to show it if edubuntu-docs was installed
[09:41] <mdke> although, the about-ubuntu entry only shows up if ubuntu-docs is installed, so it probably wouldn't be a problem to have it in gnome-panel too
[09:42] <LaserJock> and then manually made a pot for it
[09:42] <LaserJock> mdke: true, I just figured it made more sense to keep it in edubuntu-docs
[09:42] <LaserJock> I don't like having stuff scattered around
[09:42] <LaserJock> it's more difficult for people to find
[09:42] <mdke> probably more sensible than the way about-ubuntu is done
[09:43] <mdke> it can't take the string from an existing one, like the omf file?
[09:43] <mdke> to save you having a separate pot template
[09:43] <LaserJock> hmmm
[09:43] <LaserJock> there are only 2 strings in it
[09:44] <LaserJock> 1 is a dup, since it's just "About Edubuntu"
[09:44] <LaserJock> but the other one is probably not
[09:44] <LaserJock> but yeah, I hadn't thought of grabing the string from somewhere else
[09:44] <LaserJock> although ...
[09:44] <LaserJock> the cool think about the .desktop is I don't have to bring the translations back in
[09:45] <LaserJock> the translations will go into the lang packs
[09:45] <mdke> ah, nice yeah
[09:45] <mdke> but then again, you have to do it for the omf file anyway ;)
[09:45] <LaserJock> so I just install the English file
[09:46] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:47] <LaserJock> this translation stuff is still very new to me
[09:48] <LaserJock> I wish I was even the slightest bit bilingual
[09:49] <mdke> I'm not sure that's possible
[09:49] <mdke> :p
[09:53] <LaserJock> I gotta try to get some Spanish in before UDS ;-)
[09:53] <nixternal> uno mas por favor
[09:54] <LaserJock> hehe, I know that one
[09:54] <nixternal> ya, Mexico is my second home, and I took Spanish in highschool and grew up around latinos, so I can understand it and speak a lil bit
[09:54] <mdke> nixternal from the block
[09:55] <nixternal> haha yes
[09:55] <nixternal> in my ghetto, or hood
[09:55] <LaserJock> well, I didn't grow up with a lot of "diversity" in the backwoods of Montana
[09:55] <j0hndeere> yo quiero tacos
[09:55] <nixternal> oh no you didn't
[09:55] <j0hndeere> ...that's about all the Espanol I know.
[09:55] <LaserJock> but here in Nevada there's a lot of Spanish speakers
[09:55] <nixternal> man, I have a talk to give at UIC tomorrow, and then I somehow got involved in the battle of the distros
[09:56] <LaserJock> sweet
[09:56] <nixternal> my botd though, my starting line will own um all
[09:56] <LaserJock> Ubuntu vs * ?
[09:56] <nixternal> Fedora, SUSE, Gentoo, Linspire, Slackware...
[09:56] <nixternal> Fedora and them will hit the "Ubuntu isn't FREE"
[09:56] <nixternal> so because of that, I have the "who in here has a ton of mp3's? uses and loves Google?"
[09:57] <nixternal> you know all of those who use the Ubuntu is not FREE will raise their hands
[09:57] <nixternal> as soon as they do, they are toast, it works every time
[09:57] <j0hndeere> the linux distros need to call off their own bickering if they wish to not be crushed by microsoft, IMO
[09:57] <LaserJock> Ubuntu's as Free as you want it to be
[09:57] <LaserJock> that's the coolest part
[09:57] <nixternal> this time though I have to start out with "my apologies for this one Chris" as DiBona will be there watchin'
[09:58] <nixternal> there will be no crushing by Microsoft. What Linux distros need to do is continue the bickering, but get rid of the mindset that Linux will not be mainstream
[09:58] <LaserJock> I'd think Suse would be the only big competition
[09:58] <nixternal> the bickering leads to improvements. you want to see bickering, work with Microsoft for a week
[09:58] <LaserJock> Fedora just doesn't work very well
[09:58] <nixternal> well, Fedora 7 is nice
[09:58] <LaserJock> Gentoo takes too much time
[09:59] <LaserJock> Slackware is a throw-back
[09:59] <LaserJock> and Linspire ...
[09:59] <nixternal> hey now, Slackware will always be my favorite I think
[09:59] <nixternal> hehe
[09:59] <nixternal> ya, I am going to do "and Linspire..." and just start laughing hard
[10:00] <nixternal> I doubt anyone will be batteling for Linspire, but what I may do is say "Linspire, it is OK, let papa Ubuntu take you under our wing"
[10:00] <LaserJock> I've never tried Slackware, and probably never will
[10:00] <nixternal> ya, it takes some work
[10:00] <nixternal> but making a tgz is a heck of a lot easier than making .deb
[10:01] <LaserJock> yeah, but that's why people like me exist
[10:01] <nixternal> see, another thing people tend to forget about with Ubuntu, is we fulfill 4 niches
[10:01] <nixternal> no other distro does that
[10:01] <LaserJock> to make the .debs for people
[10:01] <nixternal> good, you can start making my .debs :)
[10:02] <nixternal> we fulfill 4 niches ootb with 3 DEs
[10:02] <LaserJock> I said for "people" not Chitown distro mobsters ;-)
[10:02] <nixternal> haha
[10:03] <nixternal> tomorrow is going to be classic, we have a couple of hundred people meeting up at the 2600 hacking location, then walking over gangster style
[10:03] <nixternal> Ubuntu representation right now at the event, is easily 50 to 1
[10:03] <LaserJock> "Ya gonna use Ubuntu, or I'll hav Tony here wack ya"
[10:03] <nixternal> my eyes in the sky are like this is an Ubuntu event, nobody cares about anything else
[10:03] <nixternal> it is whack btw ;p
[10:04] <nixternal> someone corrected me not even 2 hours ago
[10:04] <LaserJock> well, I was going to say "ice ya" that would have been better
[10:04] <nixternal> hahah
[10:04] <nixternal> the only thing I have yet to figure out, is with my laptop, native is 1280x800
[10:05] <nixternal> when I do presentations, the output is the same, and a majority of projectors don't display the entire screen
[10:05] <nixternal> I have tried to setup both Ubuntu and Kubuntu to display on the 2nd monitor at 1024x768 and it just will not do it
[10:06] <LaserJock> so can you switch your laptop to 1024x768?
[10:06] <nixternal> yup
[10:06] <nixternal> hrmm
[10:06] <nixternal> I could do that and live with the ugliness I guess
[10:06] <nixternal> I will have to try that now
[10:44] <bdmurray> nixternal: you might ask kees he has a wide screen laptop and uses a projector with it
[10:47] <LaserJock> yikes, bdmurray is everywhere :-)
[10:48] <bdmurray> only 15 places atm