[22:29] <ScottK> wgrant: Thanks for the quick turnaround on the bug number thing.
[22:30] <wgrant> np


[19:54] <mup> PR snapd#12357 opened: cmd/snap-confine: do not discard const qualifier <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12357>


[20:31] <awoserra> hi :)
[20:31] <awoserra> it's there a broader channel for mozilla software?
[20:31] <awoserra> ah
[20:31]  * awoserra reads topic :)


[00:34] <valorie> eh
[00:35] <valorie> It is not nearly the fun that LFNW is
[00:35] <valorie> unless someone else wants to lead, in which case I might show up
 Well if LFNW doesn't work out seagle is the next best thing for me.


[00:00] <Sven_vB> I'm looking for a program that can add desktop icons to my flwm, like idesk but I'd prefer it understands ~/Desktop/*.desktop
[00:00] <Sven_vB> any suggestions?
[00:00] <leftyfb> James_Epp: you don't. You use Windows for that.
[00:01] <acos> OerHeks: hi
[00:02] <Sven_vB> James_Epp, do you plan on doing this regularly/ more than once?
[00:02] <Sven_vB> royal_screwup21, I'd put it somewhere in my software collection and fiddle with the class path.
[00:03] <James_Epp> leftyfb: Well surely there is. I assume dd could do it but I'm skeptical that it would preserve the partition layout. Sven_vB: Well if I can do it, I'll certainly do it from *nix more often
[00:03] <Caroline^^> damiryden
[00:03] <Caroline^^> damiryden
[00:03] <leftyfb> Caroline^^: can we help you with something?
[00:05] <leftyfb> James_Epp: tried this? https://atkdinosaurus.wordpress.com/2016/07/20/how-to-create-a-bootable-windows-7-usb-stick-in-linux/
[00:05] <Sven_vB> James_Epp, in that case I'd dump the first few KB/MB of the disk (to get the MBR) and each partition that might hold a VBR, do the windows magic in windows, dump the disk areas again and compare.
[00:05] <Caroline^^> damiryden
[00:05] <leftyfb> Caroline^^: please stop
[00:07] <Sven_vB> James_Epp, if the parition table really is the only problem, you could make a backup of that, dd the MBR, then restore the partition table.
[00:07] <James_Epp> sven_vb: Good point -- I think gdisk can backup/restore tables
[00:07] <Sven_vB> or if you know where the partition table is, just don't write that part.
[00:08] <Sven_vB> having a backup will be a good idea anyway.
[00:08] <leftyfb> James_Epp: Did you try this? https://atkdinosaurus.wordpress.com/2016/07/20/how-to-create-a-bootable-windows-7-usb-stick-in-linux/
[00:10] <James_Epp> leftyfb: Not yet -- I'm investigating now, thank you! My google-fu did not bring up that result
[00:10] <Sven_vB> James_Epp, even better, try it with disks that don't hold important data for practive.
[00:10] <Sven_vB> *practice
[00:10] <James_Epp> sven_vB: this one doesn't hold anything important, I just lack the proper usb 3.0 hardware to make massive copy/pastes very quick
[00:22] <James_Epp> Sven_vB: leftyfb: Thanks for the tips. RN I'm not sure if I'm getting false-positive results or not. This will require a lot more testing. Thanks for the tips.
[00:35] <UBUxUBU> can someone help me fix the boot time in my ubuntu OS, so far I have tried installing ubuntu 1804 x64, then installing ubuntu 18 04 x64 minimal install, and it still simply lags on the boot, a plain purple screen just sits there for awhile doing nothing for a long time. it takes 37 seconds to get to the desktop, which is horrible since i am using an i7 processor, 8gb ram and an SSD
[00:35] <UBUxUBU> i gave theb entire ssd to ubuntu minimal install and let it erase everything that ws once on the drive
[00:38] <compdoc> sometimes if the network is messed up, it can take a while to boot. mine takes only a few seconds
[00:40] <UBUxUBU> please explain, my network is not at all messed up. i dontconnect any of my computers
[00:41] <UBUxUBU> when isay boot i mean from dead off untill i am on the desktop
[00:41] <compdoc> this is from a recent email in the ubuntu support mailing list:  "Check with "systemd-analyze blame" and "systemd-analyze critical-chain [<unit>]" where/why the delay is. You might also want to add "systemd.log_level=debug" to your kernel cmdline in irder to get more logs."
[00:41] <compdoc> good luck, gtg
[00:42] <UBUxUBU> i am assuming those are terminal commands so ill try the 1st one now,,,if thats not what he meant someone else please step in i thin he assumed i know linux.
[00:43] <slingamn> i have an 18.04 machine with an encrypted lvm that just became unbootable with a "volume group not found" error
[00:43] <slingamn> does anyone know of recent changes that could have caused this and/or the shortest path to making it boot again?
[00:45] <slingamn> uh, never mind, it flaked
[00:45] <piesquared> So, how exactly do I install ubuntu on a Windows XP’s?
[00:45] <slingamn> in context it looks like some kind of ui issue with the keyboard and luks decryption
[00:45] <piesquared> *-‘s
[00:47] <Anthaas> Hi - I am trying to start a service, but it is failing saying "Failed to start LSB: Starts [PROGRAM]"
[00:51] <UBUxUBU> i have my system analize blame report if anyone know howto use it i can paste it to imgur
[00:55] <UBUxUBU> also havea system analize crirtal chain
[00:58] <UBUxUBU> wow 1159 people and noone can help
[00:59] <ryuo> piesquared: you mean, install over it?
[00:59] <piesquared> Yes.  As in, goodbye windows forever.
[01:13] <MKUltraMagnus> just follow the install prompts and it'll let you select an option to format the entire HD and install over it
[01:15] <UBUxUBU> the tab feature is not working here
[01:36] <WoC> Had no idea Chromium was a 10.GiB download from github ;P
[01:36] <WoC> 10.94
[01:48] <hung> i have noticed this of my computer for about 2 weeks...
[01:49] <hung> my computer freezes up when i try to compile some code.
[01:50] <hung> it usually takes about 10 minutes to compile but recently, it just freezes up halfway... im not sure how to troubleshoot this...any ideas?
[01:52] <hung> while my computer is old, i dont think thats the reason because i manage to build it in an 18.04 partition.
[01:53] <cryptodan_mobile> Hung check temps
[01:54] <hung> temps?
[01:54] <hung> the fans didnt spin up as usual..htop didnt show any particularly stressful load
[01:55] <patr0clus> how can i add a custom wallpaper to 'backgrounds' so that it appears as a choice, and loads at startup?
[01:55] <hung> patr0clus, is variety your solution?
[01:55] <patr0clus> i added said to the 'backgrounds' folder.
[01:55] <patr0clus> i dont understand?
[01:56] <patr0clus> im using budgie.
[01:57] <hung> https://itsfoss.com/applications-manage-wallpapers-ubuntu/
[01:59] <patr0clus> thx
[02:02] <cryptodan_mobile> Hung also could run memtest
[02:06] <ryuo> piaaa                          aaaaaaa
[02:06] <ryuo> err sorry. lag.
[02:07] <acos> LOL
[03:52] <recj> Hi all. I just changed my theme in GNOME tweaks, but the top bar is still grey. Is it possible to change it to go with my new theme?
[03:58] <lotuspsychje> recj: wich theme did you try?
[04:11] <Randolf> Apache HTTPd's processes can't create files in /tmp/ but I never had this problem in NetBSD.  I also couldn't find solutions on Google.  Any suggestions?
[04:11] <acos> Change group?
[04:12] <Randolf> I've tried using a real user instead of www-data, but this didn't make any difference either.
[04:12] <Randolf> Ditto for the group.
[04:12] <Randolf> I got rid of AppArmour because it was interfering with other stuff, so I know that's not it.
[04:14] <Randolf> /tmp/ has 777 so it shouldn't matter which user Apache2 is running under anyway, right?
[04:16] <rican-linux> Hello I am running into a problem. I have 2 Ubuntu 18.04 machines that cannot VDI files when I try to load them via Virtualbox. The VDI are from windows machines that I P2V. Any help would be appreciated.
[04:16] <rican-linux> correction *cannot see VDI files*
[04:23] <lotuspsychje> rican-linux: perhaps the #vbox guys can help you on that?
[04:53] <recj> lotuspsychje: adwaita dark
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> recj: what happens on other themes switch?
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> recj: and wich ubuntu release is this?
[05:06] <Bashing-om> recj: Yaru ? See: https://community.ubuntu.com/t/call-for-participation-an-ubuntu-default-theme-lead-by-the-community/1545/1908 for what is happening with the adwaita theme .
[05:06] <recj> https://imgur.com/a/Eo6z6On
[05:07] <recj> https://imgur.com/a/L8QxlDK bar is still grey
[05:07] <lotuspsychje> recj: ok 18.04.1 is good, but there's a kernel upgrade .38 already update ssytem please
[05:09] <recj> how can I do that
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> recj: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[05:09] <recj> awesome thanks
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> recj: if you choose normal adwaita (not black) is it working then?
[05:10] <recj> no, the top bar is still the same color as ubuntu default theme
[05:12] <recj> ok did full-upgrade
[05:12] <lotuspsychje> recj: reboot, see if it helped?
[05:13] <recj> alright. Just a moment please.
[05:14] <imthenachoman> i have a computer with only 4 sata ports that i need to recover data from a zfs pool/set.  i unplugged the HDs and installed ubuntu onto a USB drive. it boots up fine. but when i plug the HDs back in it doesn't boot. i assume because the device location changed form /dev/sdb to something else. is there a way to fix this?
[05:14] <recj> Unfortunately, it didn't help
[05:14] <imthenachoman> it drops to initramfs
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> recj: did you install other theme styles with ppa or so?
[05:20] <recj> no, I haven't
[05:20] <lotuspsychje> recj: weird, adwaita should be white right
[05:27] <recj> not sure
[05:27] <recj> just wnted to be able to change top bar lol
[05:43] <bray90820_> What was the name of that dropbox like service that was provided by ubuntu it was discontinued a few years ago
[05:43] <cfhowlett> ubuntu one
[05:44] <bray90820_> Am I right that it was discontinued?
[05:44] <cfhowlett> correctomundo
[05:44] <bray90820_> That's what I thought thank you
[05:44] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[05:45] <bray90820_> I was writing a paper and for the life of me couldn't remember the name of it
[05:45] <cfhowlett> eh?  what class are you taking?
[05:46] <bray90820_> Systems analysis and design
[05:46] <bray90820_> I was talking about web services like dropbox and wanted to mention ubuntu one because it was no longer around
[05:46] <bray90820_> *Is no longer around
[05:46] <cfhowlett> ah!  nice one.  fyi: I believe there was a white paper/case study published regarding the nextcloud or owncloud IOT development
[05:47] <bray90820_> Thanks don't need to get that detailed tho just needed three sentences for that question
[07:42] <catbeard> how do i restore the left launch bar - 18.04.1 lts
[07:47] <lotuspsychje> catbeard: restore? what did you do to get rid of it?
[07:50] <tachikomas> Hello o/. Having trouble with pam and i3lock on ubuntu 18.04.1. "pam_encryptfs: set euid error" This system had a /home with encryptfs, but not longer used and the old user who has access to the encryptfs was deleted
[07:50] <tachikomas> any idea ?
[07:51] <tachikomas> it only works when my current user/root is lunching the process i3lock, if i use the same one with a systemd.service this is where it crash.
[07:53] <tachikomas> Ok, solved :)
[08:26] <tachikomas> Mhh. Have a program i want to start with my normal user. It works under sudo (but it's really not suppose to work under super power), if i start it without sudo, i have no log/crash of it even in the system. Any way to quick debug this thing ? (most probably a right problem)
[08:26] <lotuspsychje> !chmod | tachikomas start here
[08:26] <EriC^^> tachikomas: what happens when you start it as a user
[08:27] <tachikomas> lotuspsychje, thanks, already done. Try to change all the directory of the app with a 777.. still nothing. It looks like system dependant.
[08:27] <tachikomas> EriC^^, Nothing
[08:27] <EriC^^> what does the program do?
[08:28] <`mist> hey guys i'm trying to get my intel iGPU working in linux. i've installed multiple drivers but there is nothing showing up in vainfo
[08:28] <tachikomas> Just open a js windows and do some wget.
[08:28] <tachikomas> Nothing fancy.
[08:28] <`mist> running bionic on kernel 4.15
[08:28] <EriC^^> tachikomas: try running it with strace maybe
[08:29] <EriC^^> tachikomas: strace -o /tmp/log <path to program>
[08:29] <tachikomas> i take a look at it :) Thanks EriC^^
[08:29] <EriC^^> no problem tachikomas
[08:29] <lotuspsychje> `mist: this looks like a clean tutorial: https://medium.com/codezillas/step-by-step-guide-to-install-tensorflow-gpu-on-ubuntu-18-04-lts-6feceb0df5c0
[08:31] <`mist> https://pastebin.com/fuzJASaD
[08:31] <`mist> this is my vainfo
[08:32] <`mist> tensorflow is nvidia, i'm looking for intel vaapi/quicksync
[08:36] <lotuspsychje> `mist: can this help? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntelQuickSyncVideo
[08:39] <`mist> thats the one i followed, thank you for trying =)
[08:49] <tachikomas> EriC^^, thanks, strace helped me a lot :)
[08:49] <EriC^^> tachikomas: great, np :)
[09:14] <Vuurdraak_> hi everybody, for some unknown reason, out of the blue chromium doesn't want to start any more, when i run it from the console i get: Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/fonts.conf", line 146: blank doesn't take any effect anymore. please remove it from your fonts.conf
[09:14] <Vuurdraak_> [10146:10161:1104/095348.148620:ERROR:bus.cc(394)] Failed to connect to the bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Permission denied
[09:14] <Vuurdraak_> pcilib: Cannot open /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:00:00.0/resource: Permission denied
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> Vuurdraak_: are you on chromium snap perhaps?
[09:15] <Vuurdraak_> im using the chromium from the ubuntu repository
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> Vuurdraak_: from wich ubuntu version?
[09:15] <Vuurdraak_> i tried to do a complete removal and reinstall, i setted apparmor to complain mode for chromium
[09:15] <Vuurdraak_> 14.04
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> !info chromium-browser trusty
[09:16] <lotuspsychje> doublecheck the version please Vuurdraak_ ?
[09:17] <Vuurdraak_> 65.0.3325.181-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[09:17] <lotuspsychje> Vuurdraak_: thank you
[09:18] <Vuurdraak_> mmm i see more chromium stuff still in enforce mode in apparmor
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> Vuurdraak_: are you playing with profiles or so?
[09:19] <Vuurdraak_> no i didnt touch anything
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> Vuurdraak_: perhaps test chromium on another user just as a test?
[09:19] <Vuurdraak_> i did a sudo aa-complain usr.bin.chromium-browser
[09:19] <Vuurdraak_>  to make sure that it was not apparmor
[09:20] <Vuurdraak_> dispite that i still see:   /usr/lib/chromium-browser/chromium-browser
[09:20] <Vuurdraak_>    /usr/lib/chromium-browser/chromium-browser//chromium_browser_sandbox
[09:20] <Vuurdraak_>    /usr/lib/chromium-browser/chromium-browser//lsb_release
[09:20] <Vuurdraak_>    /usr/lib/chromium-browser/chromium-browser//xdgsettings
[09:20] <Vuurdraak_> set to enforce mode , no clue where that is comming from
[09:20] <EriC^^> Vuurdraak_: kindly use http://paste.ubuntu.com for pasting stuff
[09:21] <Vuurdraak_> sorry yeh,
[09:21] <EriC^^> no worries
[09:22] <lotuspsychje> seeing an older bug on it Vuurdraak_ https://bugs.launchpad.net/apparmor-profiles/+bug/776648
[09:23] <Vuurdraak_> mm , im gona try to disable apparmor compltely see if that fixes it
[09:25] <Vuurdraak_> noop with apparmor disabled chromium still wont launch
[09:25] <lotuspsychje> try another user Vuurdraak_
[09:25] <Vuurdraak_> realy weird
[09:25] <lotuspsychje> Vuurdraak_: to prove its user related
[09:25] <Vuurdraak_> i would need to create one
[09:27] <Vuurdraak_> can i login to a 2nd account while still running my current account/user ?
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> Vuurdraak_: yes if you dont log out the other user
[09:31] <Vuurdraak_> same stuff on test account, same errors in the console
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> Vuurdraak_: hmm that doesnt sound too good
[09:33] <Vuurdraak_> yeh very weird, as normaly when i do a complete removal and reinstall of stuff it works again :')
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> Vuurdraak_: did you cleanout the configs in /home too?
[09:33] <Vuurdraak_> no, but it should have been empty/fresh in the test account right ?
[09:34] <EriC^^> yeh
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> Vuurdraak_: indeed this proves deeper stuff is going on
[09:37] <Vuurdraak_> there is sended the .config/chromium to the trash, did a complete removal & reinstall :') and same error no chromium idk xD
[09:37] <Vuurdraak_> ah well at least chrome & ff still work
[09:38] <Vuurdraak_> i used chromium exclusively for my banking and email, i'll gues i move it over to chrome then
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> Vuurdraak_: have about yout system, did you add external ppa's of any kind?
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> your
[09:38] <Vuurdraak_> yeh there r a lot of different ppa's
[09:39] <Vuurdraak_> not sure wich, when i need stuff and it  says add this ppa i do it :')
[09:39] <lotuspsychje> Vuurdraak_: maybe something scrambled your system there
[09:39] <Vuurdraak_> i guess so
[09:39] <lotuspsychje> Vuurdraak_: try !ppapurge set everything vanilla, and cleanout system with bleachbit
[09:40] <lotuspsychje> Vuurdraak_: complete remove of chromium and configs
[09:40] <Vuurdraak_> i  will live with it , i need to do a reinstall of ubuntu soon anyway as support drops for 14.04 in april
[09:40] <Vuurdraak_> !ppapurge ?
[09:40] <lotuspsychje> !ppapurge
[09:41] <lotuspsychje> Vuurdraak_: this removes your installed ppa's and packages properly way
[09:41] <Vuurdraak_> mm but it might break other things instlled i guess
[09:41] <EriC^^> if stuff depends on the ppa then they'll break
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> Vuurdraak_: we always reccomend to keep things as vanilla as possible on ubuntu
[09:42] <EriC^^> but ppa-purge tries to restore the repo packages instead of the ppa ones
[09:44] <Vuurdraak_> i got 13 outsider ppa's i see
[09:44] <Vuurdraak_> ah well
[09:44] <Vuurdraak_> i want to reinstall soon anyway
[09:44] <Vuurdraak_> i'll just leave chromium broken for now and wait for the complete reinstall
[09:46] <Vuurdraak_> thanks for trying to help anyway :D
[09:46] <lotuspsychje> no sweat
[09:49] <lotuspsychje> !info lynis | Vuurdraak_ to full system test
[09:50] <Vuurdraak_> lynis, not didnt know about that tool yet :)
[09:50] <lotuspsychje> Vuurdraak_: could be interesting to scan system, see whats going on in there, specially when you use pc banking on broken browsers
[09:51] <lotuspsychje> Vuurdraak_: keep in mind lynis take a while to scan
[09:59] <Vuurdraak_> does lynis leave a log file somewhere as it exited the terminal
[10:03] <lotuspsychje> Vuurdraak_: yeah its gonna make a report, cant recall where anymore
[10:04] <EriC^^> Vuurdraak_: "man lynis" might mention something
[10:04] <Vuurdraak_> just discovered an auto starter that i didnt know about from mega drive
[10:05] <lotuspsychje> Vuurdraak_: might be in /var/log/..
[10:05] <Vuurdraak_> good point
[10:06] <Vuurdraak_> yeh i see a log there
[10:08] <Vuurdraak_> and now the fun part how to interpret the result xD
[10:12] <lotuspsychje> Vuurdraak_: feel free to hastebin us the results
[10:12] <Vuurdraak_> ah well idk, i can not find a hidden process, removed an auto starter from //home/vuurdraak/.config/autostart ,not sure what lynis wants to tell me :D
[10:13] <Vuurdraak_> k
[10:13] <Vuurdraak_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZnBKjhFQzt/
[10:13] <lotuspsychje> Vuurdraak_: nothing concerning apparmor or browsers?
[10:15] <`mist> anyone ever enabled igpu on ubuntu? vaapi is not showing any gpu
[10:17] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[10:22] <Vuurdraak_> is the log telling me i got php installed somewhere ?
[10:25] <Vuurdraak_> ah well cant see anything realy, i guess its just saying it cant find surten php stuff
[10:27] <Vuurdraak_> normaly i would asume any gpu internnal or not is discovered automaticly by ubuntu , do you have both an igpu + seperate 3d card ? @ mist
[10:43] <afx_> Hello everyone ! On Ubuntu 18.04 I am getting messages about updating bios . Reading this https://askubuntu.com/questions/983267/how-to-disable-bios-update-feature-in-ubuntu-17-10-18-04 and searching fwupd on Ubuntu software, fwupd is not installed on my system
[10:43] <afx_> What can I do to disable BIOS update on my system?
[10:46] <EriC^^> afx_: what messages?
[10:47] <afx_> EriC^^, one moment pls
[10:47] <DarwinElf> I started with BSD Unix and Slackware, and am temporarily trying Ubuntu, and am having a problem with it being not Unix-like.  I have a backup script that does 'read -p "[asks a question,]"' which 'read -p' means it reads a line from stdin while showing a prompt.  On Unix and Slackware, 'read -p' correctly does the prompt.  On Kubuntu (even on the pure non-GUI terminal, not just its Xterm) 'read' acts as if there is no '-p,' and just continues without
[10:47] <DarwinElf> letting the user do input.  How do I get the prompt back for 'read' on Ubuntu?
[10:48] <afx_> EriC^^, https://imgur.com/a/k0Vxmkh these messages
[10:50] <afx_> First of all , is it Ubuntu specific updates , or will this update the BIOS of my laptop?
[10:51] <EliteGod> hello guys. I have a question. is it possible to keep the bootable usb up-to-date, so when i install Xubuntu somewhere else, the packages are already up-to-date. it's handy if the PC that we are installing the OS doesn't have internet connection at the time
[10:52] <EliteGod> basically, I want yo know if i i can make "apt update && apt dist-upgrade" to be sticky
[10:53] <tachikomas> EliteGod, you could startup the os in the usbstick with an apt update each time it boot. But most likely require a root access.
[10:54] <tachikomas> like adding a systemd.service who do it at eatch boot.
[10:54] <tachikomas> afx_, looklike a bios update. Maybe for spectre/meltdown ?
[10:55] <afx_> tachikomas, I am not sure but I would like to disable this feature , as this is a corporate laptop
[10:56] <afx_> and if anything is getting messed up , this would cause some trouble
[10:56] <tachikomas> afx_, then you can skip the upgrade. Or do it within the official tool/official download.
[10:57] <tachikomas> therfore, if you have any intel AT or other asset management tools activated in your bios, you might encounter somes issues
[10:57] <EliteGod> tachikomas: what i meant is to update and upgrade the USB pen with the latest updates and keep the USB pen up-to-date. afaik, the USB pen does not keep the updates (something related to persistency?)
[10:59] <tachikomas> Oh. Your booting from a live cd ?
[11:00] <tachikomas> Then yes, it will always comeback to the version of the livecd. If you want to have a persistant update system on a usb stick, you have to install properly ubuntu to the usbstick.
[11:00] <EliteGod> currently I'm not. but I want to make is sticky so i can update the USB pen and then install it in a friend laptop with the latest updates already included, if i make myself clear
[11:00] <tachikomas> oh.
[11:00] <afx_> tachikomas, thank you ! I am asking to disable BIOS update notifications. So I followed the askubuntu link suggestion and did a sudo apt-get remove fwupd . I think this fine now
[11:01] <tachikomas> afx_, no problem :)
[11:01] <afx_> tachikomas, By the way shouldnt be the fwupd listed as installed in Ubuntu software?
[11:01] <tachikomas> EliteGod, then, you could have a local repo and make your update from it.
[11:01] <afx_> I mean since I can uninstall it iwth sudo apt-get remove fwupd ..
[11:03] <tachikomas> it should
[11:03] <tachikomas> look like installed by default btw
[11:04] <tachikomas> afx_, fwupd is just the daemon to update your firmware, independant of the update itself you download trough the software manager
[11:04] <EliteGod> I'm reading upon persistent storage to see if it's what i'm looking fotr
[11:04] <EliteGod> for*
[11:05] <tachikomas> EliteGod, i would make a local repo for that. But anyway, you will never be as up to date as a computer connected online.
[11:05] <afx_> tachikomas, sure but fwupd can be found under software . There fwupd was listed as not installed
[11:05] <afx_> I am not talking about the BIOS update itself , if that is what you mean
[11:05] <EliteGod> tachikomas: the idea is to boot the usb every day for updating tho
[11:06] <tachikomas> afx_, i have the same state.
[11:07] <afx_> tachikomas, i see. That is confusing I guess
[11:08] <tachikomas> afx_, look like apt dont "know" that the software was installed.
[11:08] <tachikomas> dependency sems the same,
[12:17] <LordDoskias> hello is 18.04 ready for production given the large number of gnome memory leaks?
[12:20] <DarwinElf> I started with BSD Unix & Slackware, am temporarily trying Ubuntu, having a problem with it being not Unix-like.  I have a script doing 'read -p "[asks a question,]"' which 'read -p' means it reads a from stdin, showing a prompt.  On Unix and Slackware, 'read -p' correctly prompts.  On Kubuntu (even on pure non-GUI terminal, not just its Xterm) 'read' ignores '-p,' and just continues without letting user input.  How do I get prompt back for 'read' on
[12:20] <DarwinElf> Ubuntu?
[12:22] <TJ-> DarwinElf: that depends on which shell you're using
[12:24] <TJ-> DarwinElf: the default system level shell (dash) and the user shell (bash) both support -p
[12:26] <TJ-> DarwinElf: Are you aware the "-p" (at least in bash) only works when stdin is a terminal?
[12:27] <f3bruary> I'm running Debian on a laptop with a single HDD. I want to replace the HDD with a new SSD and at the same time install Ubuntu. Is there a tool that runs on Debian, with which I can install ubuntu on the SSD (externally hooked up). And then when I replace the HDD with the SSD could boot straight into Ubuntu (preferrably without going through the installation wizard ?
[12:28] <TJ-> f3bruary: Yes: "debootstrap" - although that does require several additional steps to configure it
[12:28] <TJ-> f3bruary: you could also install to the external device via a virtual machine, using its regular installer
[12:34] <f3bruary> TJ-: thanks. Now to figure out which DE I want
[12:46] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:51] <kirillow> it appears to me I can't have assign a heredoc to a bash alias - is that correct?
[12:55] <DarwinElf> yeah, I'm doing this on a terminal
[12:55] <DarwinElf> but it's not working
[12:55] <DarwinElf> in bash
[12:55] <DarwinElf> it just skips the prompt
[12:56] <DarwinElf> same thing happened on another derivative, Mint, which I no longer use because they dropped KDE, so I switched to Kubuntu for some computers.  This is an official variant, right?
[12:58] <BluesKaj> DarwinElf, yes it's an official flavour
[13:07] <TJ-> DarwinElf: are you sure your script is not redirecting stdin ?
[13:12] <murthy>  can anyone check if the context help works in qt creator when pressing F1 key on a function
[13:17] <Sven_vB> DarwinElf, I can reproduce the missing prompt with various I/O redirections. you might wanna check whether the prompting script thinks the terminal is interactive and/or a tty.
[13:18] <Sven_vB> DarwinElf, alternatively you can just prompt with printf or echo.
[13:21] <DarwinElf> I'm sure it's not
[13:21] <DarwinElf> it's an extremely simple script, doesn't do anything like that
[13:22] <Sven_vB> the magic is in the read command, not the script.
[13:24] <Sven_vB> how do you invoke that script?
[13:25] <DarwinElf> typing the name in bash
[13:27] <DarwinElf> you can't prompt with printf or echo, that's nonsense... that just prints something and continues.  The point of 'read -p' is it waits until the user has pressed a key.  Those other commands don't do the wait
[13:27] <Sven_vB> then instead type a read command directly and see whether it prompts
[13:27] <adrian_1908> Anyone here have experience with the Dell XPS 13 regarding Ubuntu/Linux? I'm considering the i7+16GB model.
[13:27] <Sven_vB> yeah obviously you'd put that read or echo before your read command.
[13:28] <Sven_vB> err, that printf or echo befor your read.
[13:28] <DarwinElf> yes, read works when I use it directly in a shell... not in a script
[13:29] <Sven_vB> that's indeed strange.
[13:31] <DarwinElf> I'll post the script somewhere if anyone wants to see that it's not very complicated
[13:32] <Sven_vB> DarwinElf, https://paste.debian.net/
[13:36] <DarwinElf> here it is: https://paste.debian.net/1050303/
[13:36] <DarwinElf> just one slight inaccuracy in the prompt, it backs up a /home/user, not all of /home
[13:37] <DarwinElf> I guess an old version backed up all of /home
[13:37] <Sven_vB> oh so it's a sh script not a bash script.
[13:37] <Sven_vB> and no error checking.
[13:37] <DarwinElf> it doesn't need bash but is compatible
[13:38] <Sven_vB> the simple work-around would be echo and then read.
[13:38] <DarwinElf> doesn't work either
[13:38] <DarwinElf> read doesn't read
[13:38] <DarwinElf> or if it does, it does too fast
[13:38] <Sven_vB> the echo output doesn't show up?
[13:39] <DarwinElf> sure, echo works
[13:39] <DarwinElf> read doesn't wait for input even without '-p'
[13:39] <Sven_vB> oh ok
[13:39] <TJ-> Sven_vB: you're not giving a variable name. read -p "..." VAR_NAME
[13:39] <TJ-> oops, DarwinElf  ^^^
[13:39] <DarwinElf> it doesn't require one
[13:40] <TJ-> DarwinElf: Yes, it does
[13:40] <TJ-> $ read -p "testing"
[13:40] <Sven_vB> DarwinElf, which shell do you use as /bin/sh?
[13:40] <TJ-> testingdash: 1: read: arg count
[13:40] <DarwinElf> bash
[13:40] <Sven_vB> DarwinElf, are you double sure?
[13:40] <DarwinElf> not on strictly Unix-like OSes... they don't care if you don't give it a variable
[13:41] <Sven_vB> usually on Ubuntu, sh is dash
[13:41] <TJ-> DarwinElf: "readlink -e /bin/sh"
[13:41] <DarwinElf> actually, I see Kubuntu has dash by default.  Very strange, I was unaware of this
[13:41] <TJ-> DarwinElf: As Sven_vB says, /bin/sh is a sym-link to dash, which as I said at the start, is the system-level default shell for tooling
[13:42] <Sven_vB> DarwinElf, since you wait for enter, you could also head --lines=1 >/dev/null
[13:42] <DarwinElf> I'm usually doing this in an Xterm that runs bash, however
[13:42] <DarwinElf> same thing happens on non-GUI terminal which I guess is dash
[13:43] <Sven_vB> DarwinElf, that's why your shebang matters.
[13:43] <TJ-> DarwinElf: but your script's shebang line is set to /bin/sh
[13:44] <DarwinElf> yeah, it works when I changed that
[13:44] <DarwinElf> so dash has a problem with this
[13:45] <TJ-> DarwinElf: no, it behaves as specified
[13:48] <DarwinElf> ok, thanks for helping me figure this out.  I'm reading about dash and more about 'read -p' and what the differences are
[13:49] <TJ-> POSIX doesn't even provide a '-p'
[13:50] <DarwinElf> so it's a GNU thing?
[13:50] <Allisora> MmMmM... http://fade.at/Xjh91qaJysgqk24Sas23
[13:55] <Sven_vB> ^-- redirects to dating website
[13:56] <TJ-> Sven_vB: I could do with some dates, there's big holes in the Calendar I'm making!
[14:28] <f3bruary> hmm I'm installing ubuntu through virtualbox on an external ssd. The image seems stuck on the user setup screen. Not sure if it's doing anything. How could I check if there's disk activity ?
[14:30] <myself> doesn't virtualbox have disk status indicators in its little VM status bar?
[14:30] <fassl> in the statusbar to the right there is a small disk icon, when it blinks there's activity
[14:30] <fassl> lost the race :)
[14:31] <f3bruary> the external ssd is passed through via usb. There's no VDI file or any other virtual disk
[14:31] <fassl> oh ic
[14:31] <f3bruary> it's straight from ISO to USB
[14:31] <myself> alternately, the host OS might have a task manager or top utility that tells you the IO read and write bytes of the VM process
[14:31] <myself> but I don't know if USB would show up there either
[14:31] <f3bruary> gparted doesn't see the disk neither
[14:31] <f3bruary> since I attached it to the vm
[14:31] <myself> shoot your foot off good, didn't ya? :D
[14:32] <f3bruary> how so ? didn't have much choice doing it this way
[14:32] <f3bruary> laptop doesn't have available slots for the ssd
[14:33] <myself> I wonder if there's some sort of virtual-head-clatter process you could attach to an SSD to bring back the acoustic activity indicator..
[14:33] <f3bruary> I'll check if there's some kind of disk IO monitor on the host
[14:34] <UBuxuBU> can someone help with a slow boot problem (hang on blank purple screen) so far I ran a couple commands "blame commands" and I have the results on a note.
[14:35] <fassl> i think the usb passthrough is actually through network, is there any network activity?
[14:35] <OerHeks> f3bruary, ext ssd .. what filesystem is that?
[14:36] <f3bruary> ext4
[14:37] <f3bruary> I purchased a new 250gb ssd. 50gb for OS, 200gb for /home. Both ext4
[14:37] <f3bruary> I think it's still installing, but I can't tell
[14:37] <f3bruary> and I don't dare shutting off the vm, so I can check
[14:39] <fassl> f3bruary, is there network activity?
[14:39] <fassl> "usbredir is the name of a network protocol for sending USB device traffic over a network connection. It is also the name of the software package offering a parsing library, a usbredirhost library and several utilities implementing this protocol."
[14:41] <fassl> ah damn, we are talking about virtualbox, don't know how they implement that
[14:44] <f3bruary> is it normal that these drives disappear when they are attached to a vm ?
[14:44] <f3bruary> cause fdisk also doesn't show it
[14:45] <OerHeks> why should fdisk show vbox "partitions" ?
[14:46] <f3bruary> it should show my external drive, regardless of whether it's attached to a vm
[14:46] <OerHeks> lsblk would show it
[14:47] <f3bruary> also not showing. I'm gonna assume something went wrong and it's just idling
[14:51] <Ansilera> MmMmMmM... http://sht.es/Aujs81nZZNnbI812bnSXX
[14:51] <Sven_vB> how can I query which window manager I'm running?
[14:52] <OerHeks> !ops | Ansilera
[14:53] <philip__> hello
[14:53] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: wmctrl -m # first result on google for "ubuntu which window manager"
[14:53] <Sven_vB> leftyfb, thanks!
[14:53] <Ansilera> MmMmMmM... http://sht.es/Aujs81nZZNnbI812bnSXX
[14:54] <Sven_vB> leftyfb, all entries show "N/A" as their value :(
[14:54] <leftyfb> Ansilera: please leave
[14:57] <Sven_vB> found it, ps ax | grep -Pe 'wm|box' # at least finds all of my candidates
[14:58] <Sven_vB> most of wmctrl seems to not work in flwm
[14:58] <philip__> can smbdy help me with ubuntu server
[14:59] <Sven_vB> philip__, it's worth a try.
[15:01] <philip__> Sven_v8, i'm setting up an ark server and i just have a problem with the steam login
[15:05] <Sven_vB> philip__, what did you try (and how, and in which circumstances, including software versions), what did you expect, what happened instead, what's your actual question?
[15:09] <philip__> ubuntu server, logging into steam public to install ark server client, but i got told all the time that the password is incorrect but i checked it more than once, and my actual question would be if you have any idea why he doesnt accept the pw
[15:10] <Sven_vB> what's a "steam public"? is it some kind of web service?
[15:11] <Sven_vB> (because in that case, ask their support.)
[15:11] <philip__> i dont know i couldnt find anything on the web
[15:12] <Sven_vB> so how did you try to login? what program asked for the password? was it a website and you used a browser or something?
[15:12] <philip__> all console
[15:14] <Sven_vB> you really need to work on your question asking skill. I give up at this point.
[15:16] <philip__> sry bro
[15:23] <Mariona> MmMmMmM... http://sht.es/Aujs81nZZNnbI812bnSXX
[15:55] <Blankspace> hi
[15:55] <Blankspace> what is libssl-dev?
[15:59] <derby> Hi everyone. I'm using debian stretch and the tomcat service start does not work properly. The server is started but is returned "[FAIL] Starting Tomcat servlet engine: tomcat8 failed!". How can I resolve please?
[16:00] <derby> I saw that Ubuntu has the same problem. This is the log https://paste.debian.net/1050308/
[16:01] <derby> who is James Page?
[16:02] <DJones> derby: If you're using debian, you'll need to ask in their support channels, there can be differences between Ubuntu and Debian, so any answers you get here might not work
[16:04] <derby> ok, thanks
[16:05] <Blankspace> do i clone from git inside virtualenv?
[16:09] <lotuspsychje> Blankspace: start from the beginning please, ubuntu version? kernel? what are you trying to do?
[16:12] <Curtman> I'm using open-iscsi to connect to a target, I would like to do 'rmmod g_mass_storage; modprobe g_mass_storage file=/dev/sda stall=0' each time the initiator connects to a particular target.  I can't seem to figure out how to make that happen.  :(
[16:13] <lotuspsychje> Curtman: join to #ubuntu-server please more specific help there
[16:13] <Curtman> lotuspsychje, thanks
[16:21] <fluvian> is the package archive web interface down? https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=python
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> fluvian: join at #ubuntu-mirrors please
[16:22] <fluvian> ok, thanks
[16:33] <kirillow> guys sorry i just dont know where to ask. please can you tell me the name or website of this ancient sarcastic guy who had this logo of like che guevara but with his face and an eye patch. i thought his name was murdoch but i can't find him for the life of me. im sorry please i don't know where else to ask
[16:36] <lotuspsychje> !ot | kirillow you can ask there
[16:36] <kirillow> thanks!
[16:36] <texla> Is problems with Ubuntu-mate 18.10 allowed in this channel
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> texla: yes, mate is an official flavor of ubuntu
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> texla: see also the #ubuntu-mate channel
[16:39] <texla> lotuspsychje, Trying to activate numlockx at login no luck at Ubuntu-mate channel
[17:16] <Apachez> feels like this is a bad thing: gnome-shell[32101]: segfault at fffffffffffffbc8 ip 00007fbd2243aea8 sp 00007ffd396769a0 error 5 in libst-1.0.so[7fbd22414000+2b000]
[17:17] <sruli> how do i check how much free space there is in a unmounted lv?
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> Apachez: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1714989
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> Apachez: is your system up to date?
[17:21] <Apachez> yup
[17:21] <Apachez> 18.10
[17:21] <Apachez> last apt-get dist-upgrade a few hours ago
[17:21] <Apachez> I havent noticed of any missing shells or such, just wanted to notify in case somebody is involved in that
[17:21] <Apachez> but from the logs in dmesg it looked baaad :
[17:21] <Apachez> :)
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> Apachez: keep in mind 18.10 is non-lts and could hold more bugs then LTS
[17:22] <Apachez> also lots of broken apparmor rulesets
[17:22] <lotuspsychje> Apachez: but you can add yourself affected to the bug if you like
[17:22] <Apachez> like this one which maintainers seems to have missed:  audit: type=1400 audit(1541211159.716:73): apparmor="DENIED" operation="mknod" profile="/usr/bin/evince-thumbnailer" name="/tmp/gnome-desktop-thumbnailer.png" pid=15939 comm="evince-thumbnai" requested_mask="c" denied_mask="c" fsuid=1000 ouid=1000
[17:22] <lotuspsychje> Apachez: was this an upgrade from 18.04?
[17:23] <Apachez> yeah
[17:23] <Apachez> but that upgrade was a few weeks ago
[17:23] <Apachez> 2-3 weeks ago I upgraded from 18.04 into 18.10
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> Apachez: what you could try also, is a latest 18.10 liveusb .iso to see if you can reproduce
[17:24] <Anthaas> I can't get a service I've created to start - it just keeps saying "Failed to start LSB: Starts [program]"
[17:24] <Apachez> 15 oct was when I went from 18.04 into 18.10, but I have been running dist-upgrade on daily basis ever since
[17:25] <Apachez> lotuspsychje: the tricky part is that I dont know what caused the shell to go poff
[17:25] <Apachez> I only see the logged entries
[17:25] <patr0clus> how can i change my dns permanently on ubuntu?
[17:25] <Apachez> the shells I have used in the gui seems to be ok
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> Apachez: a good day to debug this is leave a realtime tail open
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> Apachez: colortail -f /var/log/syslog and see what happens with gnome-shell when
[17:27] <vlt> sruli: Is a file system on that LV?
[17:27] <sruli> vityes
[17:28] <sruli> vlt: yes
[17:28] <vlt> sruli: Something like `tune2fs -l <lv>` might tell you.
[17:30] <sruli> vlt: bad magic number... found a dos partition table
[17:32] <vlt> sruli: Didn't you say there was a file system? What does `blkid` say?
[17:32] <sruli> vlt: there is ntfs partition in it
[17:33] <vlt> sruli: Then the "something like tun2fs" for NTFS might help you.
[17:33] <sruli> vlt: for lv's with ext4 partitions if shows number of  "free blocks" is there a way to get a human readable format in mb/gb?
[17:34] <vlt> sruli: Yeah. Multiply "free blocks" by blocksize.
[17:34] <sruli> vlt: blocksize in in K or kb?
[17:39] <Anthaas> I can't get a service I've created to start - it just keeps saying "Failed to start LSB: Starts [program]"
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> Anthaas: for better help, try to mention more details like: ubuntu version, kernel, wich program, systemd?
[17:41] <Butterfly^> https://imgur.com/gallery/MQ0KWPx
[17:41] <lotuspsychje> not here please Butterfly^
[17:42] <Anthaas> Sure - Ubuntu 18.04, kernel 4.15.0-38-generic, qbittorrent, and yes, using systemd, although init.d would be fine if I could get that to work.
[17:42] <Butterfly^> lotuspsychje : was a typo, accidentally sent it to all channels
[17:42] <Butterfly^> my bad
[17:43] <lotuspsychje> Anthaas: if you like, gnome-tweak-tool has a tab for adding startup items easy
[17:44] <Anthaas> lotuspsychje: There is a daemon service I want starting.
[17:44] <Anthaas> Its also running on a headless machine on my network, so it doesnt have gnome-tweak-tool installed.
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> oh okay
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> !systemd | Anthaas start here then
[17:46] <Anthaas> I'm not entirely sure that is relevent. The same .service file has been shared all over the internet, and many accept that it works as is. I, however, am getting the error I mentioned previously, and would like assistance in understanding what it is saying, and how to resolve it.,
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> Anthaas: how about this: https://github.com/qbittorrent/qBittorrent/wiki/Setting-up-qBittorrent-on-Ubuntu-server-as-daemon-with-Web-interface-(15.04-and-newer)
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> Anthaas: just not the ppa part, as we have qbittorrent on official repos
[17:48] <xjkx> I enabled to allow amplify sound greater than 100%, but nothing changes, it's still just the regular bar, how do I fix it
[17:48] <WoC> How can i remove a specific deb package while I'm being prompted to run apt -f install, which would try to install the conflicting deb package again ?
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> WoC: perhaps share a hastebin from the output of: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade please? volunteers might take a look for you
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> xjkx: have you tested sound vs regular 100% sound?
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> xjkx: maybe its hidden and integrated
[17:55] <xjkx> lotuspsychje: in previous ubuntu versions I did and it was fine, but regular configuration for sound, it gives me the option to enable amplify but does nothing
[17:56] <lotuspsychje> xjkx: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1785860
[17:56] <lotuspsychje> xjkx: i just tested aswell, i dont see a way to measure neither
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> xjkx: in dconf-editor also there is the same option to over-amplify but does same as sound options
[17:59] <WoC> lotuspsychje, i think i got it, seems like aptdcon can do the trick
[17:59] <WoC> but ty
[18:00] <mark721> hi guys
[18:00] <WoC> Howdy
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> xjkx: its hidden, but works on the upper soundbar
[18:00] <mark721> im having trouble updating from Ubuntu 18.04 to Ubuntu 18.10
[18:01] <mark721> when I open software updater it says hey you can update it has two buttons "Upgrade ..." and "Ok" I select "Upgrade..." and each time nothing happens afterwards?
[18:01] <ducasse> mark721: are you using any ppas?
[18:01] <mark721> ducasse, how do I check
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> xjkx: in system options/sound its 100% and in upper right corner you can set + then 100%
[18:02] <ducasse> mark721: pastebin the output of 'sudo apt update'
[18:03] <WoC> lotuspsychje, didn't work, i need to figure out a way to purge a pkg by force w/o regards to dependencies - so i can fix the dependencies
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> WoC: i didnt gave you a command to solve things, but to look what is going on exactly first
[18:05] <EriC^^> WoC: did you try dpkg --force-all -P <package> ?
[18:06] <WoC> EriC^^, thanks, that fixed it
[18:06] <WoC> Was just about to reinstall ubuntu
[18:07] <WoC> which is not trivial as this is a PowerMac G5
[18:07] <mark721> ducasse, sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get upgrade then when I clicked upgrade it made it workk :)
[18:07] <mark721> ducasse, ty ffor the hint
[18:08] <UBUxUBU> everytime i ever take a lts and then try to move up the .10 it is and always will be a problem i dontknow what anyone does that
[18:08] <UBUxUBU> lts is os good for 5 years why gamble with those .10 's
[18:08] <mark721> UBUxUBU, wait stupid question is 18.1
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> UBUxUBU: define your 'problem' please?
[18:08] <mark721> isnt LTS?
[18:08] <mark721> LOL woops...
[18:09] <mark721> UBUxUBU, I forgot the always notify of any update setting on
[18:09] <mark721> * I only want LTS
[18:09] <mark721> :)
[18:09] <ducasse> mark721: good, but if you had added any ppas you should purge them before upgrading
[18:10] <mark721> ducasse, nvm I forgot that 18.1 isnt LTS so im not updating ty tho
[18:10] <mark721> :P
[18:10] <mark721> the files downloaded and when it said start upgrade I clicked cancel :P
[18:10] <mark721> UBUxUBU, ty :P
[18:10] <dsol> How can I know which version of any package, e.g. Firefox ships default with each Ubuntu release?
[18:10] <UBUxUBU> yw mark721
[18:11] <mark721> Idk how to delete the downloaded files from 18.1 tho because I think it's still there somewhere
[18:11] <mark721> any ideas
[18:11] <UBUxUBU> yeah it a mess once u have done that i dont believe it can be rectified 100 percent
[18:11] <UBUxUBU> i also found myself in that situation before
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> dsol: package versions will update during system updates
[18:12] <UBUxUBU> i know what i would do ...backup my important stuff and wipe it
[18:12] <ducasse> dsol: 'rmadison packagename'
[18:12] <dsol> lotuspsychje: yes, but by default, after fresh install
[18:13] <ducasse> mark721: try 'sudo apt clean'
[18:13] <mark721> ducasse, no effect
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> mark721: its usually not the greatest idea to cancel upgrades
[18:14] <mark721> oh :(
[18:14] <mark721> i didnt know...
[18:14] <mark721> but if it's just files that were downloaded
[18:14] <mark721> and not installed should be fine anyway
[18:14] <mark721> no?
[18:14] <lotuspsychje> mark721: depends how far you went exactly?
[18:15] <UBUxUBU> mark721, if it runs good and updates good and no error codes its ok but  i can tell ur like me and do not want a dirty system with junk files laying around
[18:16] <ducasse> mark721: how do you know it had no effect?
[18:16] <mark721> lotuspsychje, UBUxUBU I just pressed upgrade
[18:16] <mark721> and then it said download files
[18:17] <mark721> then it asked me "Start upgrade" so I clicked cancel
[18:17] <mark721> so i believe  all it did is just download the files
[18:17] <UBUxUBU> well thats not a big deal mark721
[18:17] <UBUxUBU> u cancelled it early on
[18:18] <mark721> okay :) good I checked also Settings -> About says 18.04.1 - but yeah I had forgot the settings on as notify me of any update rather than LTS updates
[18:18] <mark721> hopefully should be fine
[18:18] <mark721> thanks guys
[18:18] <UBUxUBU> yw mark721
[18:21] <mark721> anyway gotta run speak soon :)
[18:37] <catbeard> it disappeared on it's own
[18:37] <catbeard> after switching workspaces
[18:37] <catbeard> i have to reboot to get it back
[18:46] <eelstrebor> is there a way to enable wpa3 on ubuntu? idon't see a network manager option for this and i haven't found anything in a web search
[18:57] <TJ-> eelstrebor: hostap only recently gained support for WPA3 but they haven't done a release in 2 years, so have to wait for that project. The development branch is in Debian experimental
[19:01] <Yohkii> Anyone else got video issues with intel cpu? Intel HD Graphics 5500 keeps being choppy
[19:06] <eelstrebor> TJ-, ok. i was wondering since dd-wrt firmware has wpa3 capability now
[19:08] <eelstrebor> two of my laptop wifi cards have wpa3 capability also
[19:27] <Barabacha> why does ls -l | cut -f5 -d' ' doesn't return all lines? when I do "-f5-" instead of "-f5" it returns all lines from 5 onwards just fine
[19:44] <white_magic> Does someone know - is it possible to set up custom window sizing commands in Ubuntu 18.10/gnome3? I would like something like: key_a + key_b moves windows to a certain part of the screen and resizes it to 50% width and 50% height. I was able to do this easily with in Lubuntu (where openbox was the window manager). But in gnome3 (default ubuntu DE), I'm not sure how to set that up.
[19:47] <OerHeks> white_magic, gnome-tweak-tool gives such options
[19:48] <OerHeks> https://imgur.com/a/KH3uVEn
[19:48] <OerHeks> plus tons more to write yourself
[19:48] <OerHeks> !info gnome-tweak-tool
[19:50] <white_magic> OerHeks: That's actually not true - I have it installed and it does not have it. You might have been thinking of 'gnome-control-center', which allows me  to set keyboard combos for existing gnome actions and for .. custom commands.
[19:50] <white_magic> OerHeks: its the custom command approach that I think might enable this for me. But what would be an application that could take control over a window's size & location.. besides the gnome window manager, of course
[19:51] <ioria> white_magic, xdotool to move window, wmctrl to resize
[19:52] <white_magic> ioria: is that an effective way to do it or super hacky? if it's worthwhile i can definitely try it out
[19:52] <ioria> white_magic, xdotool windowmove ID  30 108 && wmctrl -i -r ID -e 0,30,30,30,30
[19:52] <white_magic> will try it out thx
[19:52] <ioria> white_magic, you get ID with 'wmctrl -l'
[20:00] <white_magic> ioria: xdotool is pretty powerful but it is not aware of which monitor i'm working with, is it?
[20:01] <ioria> white_magic, set DISPLAY var ?
[20:07] <white_magic> ioria: thanks for all the help, i'll be playing around with xdo for a while i think
[20:18] <leonardus> Please help, how do I solve this problem in OBS? It looks like it's flickering and showing the window behind the window that I'm recording. This isn't happening on the actual display, only on OBS and its output. Here's a sample recording: https://streamable.com/jpnn8
[20:20] <OerHeks> obs = obs studio ?
[20:22] <FreeBDSM> hello, how to detect what gpu driver is currently being used?
[20:22] <FreeBDSM> after a reboot my pc tells me I have no nvidia driver installed
[20:23] <FreeBDSM> but the resolution is 4k, I doubt that any other driver would work like that
[20:23] <ioria> FreeBDSM, you know how
[20:23] <FreeBDSM> I installed nvidia driver from nvidia site, not the from ubuntu repo
[20:23] <leonardus> OerHeks: yes
[20:23] <ioria> why ?
[20:23] <FreeBDSM> because it is more recent
[20:24] <FreeBDSM> even though I'm on linux - I want to play games
[20:24] <ioria> FreeBDSM, installing from website sometimes requires manual blaklisting
[20:25] <ioria> *blacklisting
[20:25] <FreeBDSM> how?
[20:25] <Ben64> should undo that and use the repo driver, or at least the PPA one
[20:25] <OerHeks> leonardus, how did you install that, with snap ?
[20:25] <OerHeks> https://snapcraft.io/obs-studio - * Currently GPU accelerated encoding is not enabled in this package
[20:25] <leonardus> i don't remember, is there a way to check?
[20:25] <FreeBDSM> Ben64: repo doesn't have v396
[20:26] <ioria> FreeBDSM, ppa has it
[20:26] <Ben64> ^
[20:26] <FreeBDSM> ioria: are you sure?
[20:26] <ioria> let me check
[20:26] <Ben64> also has 410
[20:26] <FreeBDSM> afaik I have ppa installed and there's only 390
[20:26] <ioria> FreeBDSM, yes, https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[20:27] <FreeBDSM> wait, wha
[20:28] <FreeBDSM> how does ppa repo look like in 'apt-cache policy'?
[20:29] <ioria> FreeBDSM, don't be silly
[20:30] <FreeBDSM> seems like I don't understand what is ppa
[20:30] <ioria> !ppa
[20:30] <FreeBDSM> just added that ppa and yes, now I see 396 and 410 right in the apt
[20:31] <FreeBDSM> is 410 better than 396?
[20:32] <FreeBDSM> weird that my DE loaded
[20:32] <FreeBDSM> linux is alright :)
[20:34] <kumool> I'm getting this error basically every day now, using synaptic ->   W: Download is performed unsandboxed as root as file '/root/.synaptic/tmp//tmp_sh' couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permission denied)
[20:34] <FreeBDSM> kumool: chown it to _apt:_apt, lol
[20:35] <kumool> FreeBDSM, synaptic you mean?
[20:35] <kumool> or the directory /root/.synaptic?
[20:35] <FreeBDSM> kumool: no, the error says it tries to access that file via user '_apt'
[20:36] <FreeBDSM> is a reboot necessary after gpu driver installation?
[20:41] <FreeBDSM> cleaning gpu didn't help much :(
[20:43] <OerHeks> FreeBDSM, what GPU is this exactly?
[20:43] <FreeBDSM> gtx 970
[20:44] <OerHeks> oh that is supported from 343.22 and up
[20:44] <FreeBDSM> seems like it easily reaches 80C degrees and goes to throttling (which causes the game to freeze)
[20:48] <FreeBDSM> yup, 78c and it's not even a big battle TT, I guess I need to change thermal grease
[20:49] <kumool> that fixed it, thanks FreeBDSM
[20:49] <OerHeks> 98'C would be the max, so 80 looks normal to me https://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-970/specifications
[20:53] <acoctres> What video card is best for linux? Amd or nvidia?
[20:53] <acoctres> Will I have driver issues?
[20:55] <OerHeks> there is no single-best, though nividia drivers do not work in the wayland session
[20:59] <abdulhakeem> Team Red for life
[21:07] <TCHP> hi,
[21:31] <devnull> Hello :)
[21:55] <Wescotte> I just did a fresh install of 18.04 and Hexchat. I'm trying to set my dcc download folder and the "browse" to my /home/username folder is saying I don't have access. Hexchat is running from my user account... Did 18.04 change something with permissions?
[21:56] <Wescotte> Or does anybody have any idea why Hexchat can't access my /home/usernsame/downloads folder?
[22:00] <pi0> is there an open source webex?
[22:06] <elias_a> No. Webex is a trademark of a conferencing product of Cisco and it is proprietary. Thus, there cannot be an "open source webex".
[22:12] <Richard_Cavell> Sorry I got dropped there.  Did anyone answer my question?
[22:14] <Ben64> there was no question
[22:14] <OerHeks> you might want to check the logs yourself?
[22:14] <OerHeks> !log
[22:14] <Richard_Cavell> I'm trying to use vim on Ubuntu 16.04.  It says if I press F1 I should get a help system.  The problem is that when I hit F1 I get help for the Terminal rather than Vim.  Am I missing something, or is it just the way Ubuntu is set up to trap F1 for the Terminal instead of sending it through to Vim?
[22:15] <Ben64> can do :help
[22:16] <OerHeks> i think VIM intended to open the global help system
[22:18] <OerHeks> help.txt
[22:19] <guiverc> Richard_Cavell, if I open vim, it says :help for help, are you talking about gvim?  (vim is a text editor for terminal, gvim is the gtk gui version of vim that uses f1)
[22:19] <Richard_Cavell> I'm not, but I accept that :help is an alternative
[22:20] <guiverc> I just loaded vim-gtk, it traps F1 and sends you to :help
[22:23] <Richard_Cavell> ah ok
[22:46] <soee> hi, what is the proper way to share 1 ssd disk with 2-3 users ?
[22:49] <Sven_vB> soee, which features of the drive do you want to share? how will the other users use the disk?
[22:50] <soee> Sven_vB: it should contain files that all users shoudl be able to read/edit/delete etc.
[22:51] <Sven_vB> soee, would it be enough to have one directory where all local Ubuntu users can store files that will then be {read,writ,execut}able by others? do users need to delete or rename other user's files?
[22:52] <Sven_vB> can they assume to cooperate or do they need to defend against each other in some ways?
[22:54] <soee> Sven_vB: this is basically for my own use. I have 3 users for different purpse and i want to share some data for each account (liek nexcloud synced folder, some projects files) etc. so i sould be able create/modify/delete them from each ot this 3 accounts
[22:56] <rdz> hey all. where are the favortite launchers stored/configured?
[22:58] <TJ-> soee: sounds like a job for fACLs (file Access Control Lists) see "man setfacl" and "man acl"
[22:58] <Sven_vB> soee, you could add all the users to a group fileshare and ensure (by policy or a cron script) to chown all newly created files to that group. or do some mount magic so each of them has a mount that translates their identity to a fileshare user.
[22:58] <OerHeks> https://developer.gnome.org/integration-guide/stable/desktop-files.html.en
[22:59] <OerHeks> or the old unity https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UnityLaunchersAndDesktopFiles
[22:59] <rdz> OerHeks, thanks.. i'm interested in the current (18.04) way
[23:01] <rdz> OerHeks, i understand now how to create such a file, but how does it land in the dock as a favorite?
[23:02] <rdz> i'm interested in editing an existing favorite... when i create the launcher.desktop file in  ~/.local/share/applications it ends up having a different in icon in the dock. so there is no point in marking this as the favorite
[23:03] <rdz> so whwere are the favorites located?
[23:03] <OerHeks> rdz, no idea, i just drag it manually, or lock it after opening
[23:03] <rdz> drag doesn't work... does it for you
[23:03] <rdz> ?
[23:03] <rdz> lock after opening doesn't work either, because the properties are totally different from the original desktop feil
[23:04] <rdz> file
[23:05] <rdz> i made a launcher that loads command with all required params, but when i lock the runningcommand, it creates only a favorite of the command without parameters
[23:05] <rdz> and with the wrong iceon
[23:05] <rdz> icon
[23:07] <TJ-> rdz: there's likely an entry in the user dconf, or some file under $HOME/.config/
[23:08] <oblivione> exit
[23:10] <rdz> TJ-, ah. ok
[23:10] <rdz> is that edited with dconf-editor?
[23:10] <TJ-> rdz: I'm not up on what gnome does internally these days so I'm just giving you rough pointers :)
[23:11] <rdz> TJ-, cool.. thanks
[23:30] <gostforest> Hello, I need to burn an iso to a usb, however none of the snaps recognize my usb, and etcher wont run
[23:31] <AndyChow888> Can you see your usb with lsusb?
[23:36] <gostforest> how do i do that
[23:36] <gostforest> im a linux /ubuntu noob, sry
[23:36] <WoC> Open a Terminal and type the command lsusb
[23:37] <AndyChow888> You open a terminal, and type "lsusb", then push enter.
[23:37] <WoC> Ooops, too many Chiefs, not enough endians ;)
[23:38] <FreeBDSM> hey, what's ~/.encryptfs?
[23:39] <FreeBDSM> I mean /home/.encryptfs/
[23:39] <FreeBDSM> it is as heavy as my ~
[23:39] <gostforest> my usb is there
[23:40] <AndyChow888> gostforest, is it there when you type "lsblk", and is there a mountpoint?
[23:41] <AndyChow888> FreeBDSM, what's in it? Is is a file? Maybe it's a type of crypttab, just for the /home of a user.
[23:42] <FreeBDSM> yeah, looks like my profile lives here
[23:42] <gostforest> yes
[23:42] <WoC> FreeBDSM, your home is encrypted ?
[23:42] <gostforest> i am not sure waht a  mountpoint is
[23:42] <FreeBDSM> WoC: well, now I think it is
[23:42] <WoC> ;)
[23:43] <AndyChow888> gostforest, type "lsblk" in your terminal.
[23:44] <gostforest> i did
[23:44] <gostforest> its there
[23:44] <AndyChow888> Paste the output in a link.
[23:45] <gostforest> so i put
[23:45] <gostforest> pastebinit && lsblk
[23:47] <gostforest> ok so if theres nothing happening and i can type, does that mean itsdoingsomething?
[23:50] <gostforest> !pastebinit
[23:53] <boblamont> on my server, I have a non-root user that i use via ssh. I can't use that user to sftp in, because permissions are set to 755/644. What's the best way to use sftp to add/delete files?
[23:57] <boblamont> I should add that the owner is www-data
[23:58] <boblamont> the user is in the www-data group, but unless I use 775, sftp is out


[16:49] <webliberty> Unity with latest updates zoom text in !menus when Ctrl+"=" was pressed (Ubuntu 14.04 LTS) Who else has this problem?
[16:52] <webliberty> no one has problems with Ctrl+"+"?


[20:09] <jouni65[m]> every time I open Ardour session in Ubuntu Studio 20.10 it crashes. If I start Ardour in safe mode it works ,but all plugins have info" This plugin is not available available on this system  and has been repalced by a stub.  I have to replace all plugins and  they work till next time Ardour is (re)started.
[20:11] <Eickmeyer[m]> jouni65: Were you using Ardour 5 previously?
[20:12] <jouni65[m]> I was
[20:12] <oerheks> ajan, fix your connection please
[20:14] <Eickmeyer[m]> jouni65: That's why. Ardour 6 is what's in 20.10. The file formats are incompatible. This was outlined at https://ubuntustudio.org/2020/06/ardour-6-0-information/.
[20:18] <Eickmeyer[m]> ajan: If you don't fix your connection, I will have to kick you from this room.
[20:22] <jouni65[m]> "once a 5.12 project is opened in 6.0, it is converted to a 6.0 project and cannot be used in 5.12 again unless restored from a backup."
[20:22] <jouni65[m]> I thought opening a old sessions it would be converted , plugins included, but I can understand that with new DSP the plugins may be too much to ask at least as of now.
[20:23] <Eickmeyer[m]> No, plugins are not included. They must be installed in order for that to work. We removed a number of plugins by default from Ubuntu Studio this cycle, including the Calf plugins, which are no longer compatible with Ardour.
[20:23] <jouni65[m]> Got it, thanks
[20:24] <Eickmeyer[m]> :thumbsup:


[10:14] <Riddell> I got my new ADSL!
[10:14] <Riddell> I can download and upload again!
[10:15] <yofel> \o/
[11:35] <Riddell> I don't think I'll be able to do much 4.8 this weekend so anyone who wants to finish it off is welcome
[11:35] <Riddell> I was doing the remaining packages alphabetically so just see what's in ninjas and carry on
[11:35] <Riddell> wow it's so good typing without lag!
[17:22] <shadeslayer> yofel: Riddell could either of you retry kdevelop-php and kdevelop-php-docs ?
[17:41] <yofel> Riddell will have to do that, me haz no permissions
[18:12] <shadeslayer> yofel: could you possibly backport KDevelop once you have time? I can only look at it after the 25th
[18:12] <yofel> can try
[18:13] <shadeslayer> just have to get through 4 more days ... then I don't have a exam for a whole month \o/
[18:14] <yofel> my heavy exam time starts in a week, and lasts 2 -.-
[18:24] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4NR57ELY28s
[18:26] <yofel> *drool*
[20:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: retrying
[20:26] <ScottK> kdevelop-custom-buildsystem accepted.
[20:32] <ScottK> agateau: massif-visualizer accepted too
[20:33] <ScottK> Riddell: If you have a moment to let ipy out of binary New, that would be appreciated.
[20:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell:  ScottK: thanks
[21:03] <ScottK> agateau: lintian didn't like something about the copyright format stuff, you ought to double check it for the next upload.


[06:10] <Unit193> Debian #916727, #916726
[08:49] <Unit193> Anyone use xfce4-sensors-plugin, gigolo?
[10:21] <Unit193> bluesabre: Status update on xfce4-screensaver, plox?
[10:47] <bluesabre> Unit193: other than it works and Corsac doesn't want it?
[10:47] <bluesabre> :D
[10:47] <bluesabre> There's a few patches to make it faster that I haven't applied yet
[10:48] <bluesabre> Haven't had Xubuntu feedback for it yet
[10:48] <Unit193> Very little PPA usage, it'd seem.  Faster you say?  OK.
[10:49] <Unit193> bluesabre: Checking if there's anything I should know before pushing for Universe.
[10:49] <Unit193> (Eg, "Eh, we'll stick with LL for this release")
[10:52] <bluesabre> I think we can move forward on pushing it to universe. While there hasn't been Xubuntu feedback, there has been testing in other Linux spaces and it's working for folks.
[10:53] <Unit193> OK, I'll just slap your name on it and hope for the best, then! :>
[11:00] <bluesabre> hah
[11:01] <bluesabre> 1/2 of the ubuntu devs see my name, "Oh no, that guy... :\"
[11:01] <Unit193> Unless you intend to apply patch and release.
[11:01] <bluesabre> Actually, yeah, lemme get a new release out this week with the patches I have.
[11:02] <Unit193> No rush.
[11:03] <Unit193> https://loki.unit193.net/cgit/users/unit193/xfce4-screensaver.git is what I'll be working with/what I am working with.
[11:06] <bluesabre> Looks like you're behind a release :)
[11:06] <Unit193> Yeeeeah...You PPA'd it and I procrastinated. :D
[13:25] <ochosi> Unit193, bluesabre Couldn't find xfce4-session 4.13 anywhere in our PPAs, any chance to get it to QA Experimental for easier testing?
[13:25] <ochosi> i could also do a release of it, since some patches went to master since the last release i guses
[20:01] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-taskmanager 1.2.2 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfce4-taskmanager-1-2-2-released-tp52313.html (by Landry Breuil-2)
[22:30] <graf-baratheon> guten Abend
[22:32] <Unit193> Howdy.
[22:33] <graf-baratheon> Kann mir jemand bei der Tastatur in Ubuntu helfen ?
[22:34] <graf-baratheon> ich kann keine ät Zeichen setzen, es kommt immer Q
[22:34] <brainwash> !de
[22:34] <brainwash> this here is not a support channel
[22:34] <graf-baratheon> thank you


[06:11] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:14] <cpaelzer> hi lordievader
[06:15] <lordievader> Hey cpaelzer , how are you doing?
[06:15] <cpaelzer> Friday'ish :-)
[08:10] <V7> Hey all
[08:10] <V7> Could anyone help with one situation
[08:13] <hateball> !ask
[08:16] <V7> So, a probem:
[08:17] <V7> When trying to boot an installer from a CD on old machine it gives: "Loading bootlogo...; graphics initialization failed; Error setting up gfxboot; boot:;
[08:17] <V7> When typing "help" in "boot:" prompt it gives the same
[08:18] <V7> Screen: https://i.imgur.com/tQhsnzL.jpg
[08:18] <V7> This is Ubuntu Server 16.04.4 i386
[08:18] <V7> Checksums the same
[08:20] <V7> So any command I'm trying to run it tells the same as you can see on screen.
[08:24] <V7> So, screen: https://i.imgur.com/LUBCmrT.jpg
[08:29] <V7> Anyone ?
[08:39] <ikonia> V7: it can't load the splash so is failing
[08:39] <ikonia> V7: most likley your video card won't support the framebuffer
[08:40] <ikonia> something like that
[09:32] <olivierbourdon38> Hello everyone. Anybody having experience / has solved issues generating a working initramdisk using initramfs (as opposed to dracut which works) when disk is GPT table and LVM used for all partitions ? the boot process fails as it does not find the root partition. grub.cfg seems perfectly similar (only UUIDs have changed) so must be something missing in the ramdisk content
[09:32] <olivierbourdon38> ubuntu xenial
[09:36] <olivierbourdon38> very minimal set of packages (270 in all)  https://gist.github.com/obourdon/0647f84321aac7cbe8db6a65cf78e100
[09:38] <tomreyn> olivierbourdon38: i think update-initramfs is the default, isnt it? i've got a xenail system which uses it and boots off a GPT disk. there's a mirror RAID, dmcrypt-LUKS, LVM on top, and no manual customizations to how the intramfs is compiled were needed.
[09:40] <tomreyn> /etc/kernel-img.conf has (the default of) do_initrd=yes
[09:40] <olivierbourdon38> tomreyn yes, indeed but I could never had it working as I am using DIB (https://github.com/openstack/diskimage-builder) to build the images. Only dracut seems to do the job for proper LVM booting so I am trying to figure out what to change in DIB to make it work
[09:42] <tomreyn> well you havbe a working (supposedly all needed modules contained), and a non working (supposedly missing modules) initramfs there. just compare what's in there and see what's missing in the initramfs one?
[09:45] <tomreyn> you usually want "MODULES=most" in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf unless you have special needs.
[09:45] <tomreyn> (this is also the default)
[09:47] <tomreyn> olivierbourdon38: ^
[09:48] <olivierbourdon38> yes I did try to compare those and running update-initramfs -u -v shows that lvm plugin is called and embbed everything necessary in ramdisk but still no luck when booting
[09:49] <olivierbourdon38> I also changed the underlying volumes FS type from xfs to more "standard" ext4 3 and 2 without more success, LVM and labels seems to be the issue
[09:55] <tomreyn> based on what?
[09:55] <tomreyn> you could also just try to enter commands manually on grub console and thus see what seems to be wrong / missing
[10:04] <olivierbourdon38> based on the fact that rootfs can not be found whereas the same mechanism without LVM works perfectly
[10:12] <tomreyn> !who » olivierbourdon38
[10:12] <tomreyn> !who | olivierbourdon38
[10:13] <tomreyn> olivierbourdon38: so the lvm module is not included when you build with update-initrfamfs?
[10:42] <olivierbourdon38> tomreyn lvm module seems to be there but boot process does not seem to be able to retrieve rootfs by label as far as I can tell
[10:43] <tomreyn> hmm, without a lot more details anylzing this will not be possible. but i trust in you working it out. ;-)
[10:54] <jamespage> coreycb: contining work on py3 migration for neutron/networking pkgs - going OK so far if a little fiddly
[10:56] <olivierbourdon38> tomreyn I understand but I was hoping that this kind of issue to have occured before and that I could grab some ideas on where to look at to try solve it
[11:00] <jamespage> coreycb: I'm introducing quite a few -common pkgs for shared config files
[11:00] <jamespage> hope that's inline with your work so far
[11:08] <tomreyn> olivierbourdon38: thanks for explaining your take on this. understandable. good luck in sorting it out.
[11:12] <olivierbourdon38> tomreyn I think I found a way to get better/easier comparison to solve this. I created a preseed file which partition the disk in the exact same way my DIB images are.
[11:13] <tomreyn> good, keep narrowing it down
[11:14] <olivierbourdon38> I was able to successfully boot over net and LVM were recongnized ;-), will now go on comparing this working pattern with my failing one. Thanks tomreyn because our discussion triggered this idea
[11:15] <tomreyn> glad i could help, if indirectly ;)
[12:16] <Palm_premium>
[12:20] <tomreyn> Palm_premium: you just sent an empty line there, in case you wanted to send more?
[12:26] <jamespage> coreycb: urgh missed that python3-ostestr still uses 'python' for the actual tests
[12:29] <coreycb> jamespage: oops, hopefully it does support py3.
[12:29] <jamespage> coreycb: yeah but you have to set PYTHON=python3 in the env
[12:30] <Nafallo> heh. I don't think you're meant to deploy landscape server on ubuntu core, right? ending up with a bunch of missing dependencies I think ;-)
[12:30] <Nafallo> stuff like ip and openssl
[12:31] <coreycb> jamespage: it looks like it's doing that in override_dh_auto_test
[12:31] <jamespage> coreycb: yeah that's what I'm just working back through now
[12:33] <Nafallo> s/ubuntu core/ubuntu base/
[12:53] <jamespage> coreycb: well two fail with the switch
[12:54] <jamespage> nice
[12:54] <coreycb> jamespage: not bad i guess
[13:26] <jamespage> coreycb: https://review.openstack.org/575732
[13:26] <jamespage> I have at least three neutron-*'s with the same patching
[13:30] <coreycb> jamespage: +1
[13:56] <jamespage> coreycb: I've also cherry picked a ssl recursion fix for eventlet - will see if that helps some of my failing tests shortly
[13:57] <coreycb> jamespage: ack
[14:53] <coreycb> jamespage: i think we're pretty good for b2. i'm going to switch gears back to py3 and will pick up any fringe b2 packages along with that.
[14:53] <coreycb> jamespage: poking at backports as well


[01:13] <callmepk> good morning
[04:07] <bittin> morning
[05:41] <jibel> Good morning all
[05:46] <callmepk> hi bittin jibel
[05:54] <jibel> Hi callmepk
[05:56] <ricotz> good morning
[05:58] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:04] <callmepk> hi ricotz oSoMoN
[06:07] <oSoMoN> hey callmepk, morning ricotz
[06:16] <jibel> Salut oSoMoN
[06:16] <jibel> hi ricotz
[06:17] <ricotz> hey oSoMoN callmepk jibel
[06:17] <oSoMoN> salut jibel
[08:00] <didrocks> good morning
[08:03] <jibel> salut didrocks
[08:03] <jibel> didrocks, https://github.com/ubuntu/WSL-DistroLauncher/actions/runs/938422288
[08:03] <laney> yo
[08:05] <jibel> Hi laney
[08:06] <seb128> hey didrocks jibel and laney
[08:08] <jibel> Salut seb128
[08:10] <didrocks> jibel: yeah, I’m looking at it right now Cert:LocalMachine\Trust ? So the local one is not needed?
[08:10] <didrocks> hey laney, seb128
[08:10] <didrocks> jibel: … and well done!
[08:10] <jibel> didrocks, we need both
[08:10] <didrocks> ah, one is used for checking
[08:10] <didrocks> and the other one for signing
[08:10] <didrocks> I guess
[08:13] <jibel> didrocks, it's been spinning in my head the whole night, and found the solution with my morning coffee
[08:13] <jibel> :)
[08:13] <didrocks> found the solution, like you became a Windows expert and learnt about all the local certificate stores? :p
[08:14] <didrocks> which podcast were you listening while sleeping? :)
[08:28] <laney> hey jibel seb128 didrocks
[08:28] <laney> fun with windows?
[08:30] <didrocks> hey laney, for some definition of fun :)
[08:34] <jibel> fun with windows on github actually
[08:35] <jibel> why limit the fun to windows only
[08:36]  * didrocks waits for a microsoft expert badge :)
[08:37] <laney> needs more azure
[08:42] <oSoMoN> good morning didrocks, laney, seb128
[08:43] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN
[08:45] <marcustomlinson> morning callmepk bittin jibel ricotz oSoMoN didrocks laney seb128
[08:45] <oSoMoN> hey marcustomlinson
[08:47] <laney> hey oSoMoN marcustomlinson
[09:12] <seb128> RAOF, hey, do you know if there are plans to update the mir package in Debian (experimental at this point of the cycle)?
[09:14] <RAOF> I believe the Debian maintainer wants to get all the Lomiri stack in. That requires that Debian stay on the 1.8 branch.
[09:14] <RAOF> At least for now.
[09:16] <seb128> RAOF, ok, the reason I was asking is because the lomiri and ayatana indicator a blocked in proposed for Ubuntu, I though that updating in Debian would help motivating fixing it...
[09:16] <RAOF> We were hoping there'd be more movement upstream to get on to 2.x (and have done some work to help), but they've got plenty of other things needing attention 😐
[09:17] <seb128> RAOF, I'm surprised that the ayatana indicator being missing is not an issue for some flavors
[09:17] <seb128> indicators*
[09:17] <seb128> RAOF, thanks for the reply!
[09:21] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson
[09:22] <RAOF> No problem!
[09:35] <seb128> jamesh, hey, did you see https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/the-ubuntu-software-application-refuses-to-see-that-i-am-online/24981 ? unsure if you have an idea about it
[09:35] <seb128> it fails to download assets from the store it seems for some reason
[09:35] <seb128> Gs  failed to load icon for io.snapcraft.snap-store-gjf3IPXoRiipCu9K0kVu52f0H56fIksg: Failed to download icon https://dashboard.snapcraft.io/site_media/appmedia/2018/07/io.snapcraft.Store.png: Connection terminated unexpectedly
[09:35] <seb128> but the same url on the same machine in a firefox loads fine
[09:35] <seb128> so probably not the store?
[09:42] <seb128>  sudo snap refresh --revision=70 gnome-3-34-1804
[09:42] <seb128> erreur : cannot refresh "gnome-3-34-1804": Access by specifying a revision is not allowed for this
[09:42] <seb128>           Snap.
[09:43] <seb128> thanks for not being helpful snapd :/
[09:46] <seb128> k, downgrading the snap gives working icons so that's another regression of the recent build :/
[09:47] <jamesh> seb128: I suspect things would work if snap-store adds a "network-status" plug
[09:47] <seb128> jamesh, any idea why it was not an issue before the recent rebuild?
[09:48] <jamesh> seb128: the snap is configured to use portals, and the network connectivity portal will only provide that data if the snap has network-status plugged.
[09:48] <jamesh> seb128: If the software itself hasn't changed, I don't know.  This aspect of portal behaviour happens outside the sandbox though.
[09:49] <seb128> jamesh, I downgraded to snap-store from edge and that is loading the banners and icons fine
[09:50] <seb128> (with a LD_PRELOAD of the right libatk to work with the new gnome platform since snapd doesn't let me downgrade to a random revision)
[09:51] <jamesh> seb128: I don't see any reference to GTK_USE_PORTAL in the snapcraft.yaml, but it is in the snap's meta/snap.yaml
[09:51] <jamesh> seb128: so I believe the difference is that it was compiled with a newer Snapcraft that has updated the gnome extension
[09:51] <seb128> jamesh, do you think it's a portal issue?
[09:51] <seb128> ah!
[09:52] <jamesh> seb128: In my initial patch set for snapd, I made the network portal available to any snap plugging network.  I was asked to switch it to network-status instead.
[09:53] <jamesh> seb128: adding "network-status" to the plugs list should fix the problem.
[09:53] <jamesh> I'll post a summary to the forum thread
[09:54] <seb128> jamesh, I will try that thanks, just curious but what is hinting you that it is the issue?
[09:55] <jamesh> seb128: because I wrote the code in snapd and xdg-desktop-portal that decides whether the network connectivity portal should provide that data to snaps.
[09:56] <seb128> jamesh, as usual you are spot on figuring out what the issue is
[09:56] <seb128> and it's somewhat my fault :p
[09:56] <seb128> jamesh, it's my fix on https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3356/ which is the difference
[09:56] <gitlab-bot> snapcore issue (Pull request) 3356 in snapcraft "extensions: correctly spell the GTK_USE_PORTAL variable" [Closed]
[09:57] <seb128> the previous snap env has GTK_USE_PORTALS with the 'S' still
[09:57] <seb128> ok, adding "network-status" now
[10:00] <jamesh> seb128: it's possible the network-manager plug could be dropped if it was only being used for connectivity checking
[10:00] <jamesh> but I'd leave that for another day
[10:13] <seb128> jamesh, ack
[10:15] <didrocks> seb128: hey! How do you start subiquity on the canary daily image?
[10:16] <seb128> didrocks, hey, https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-desktop-installer/blob/main/snap/snapcraft.yaml#L15
[10:17] <didrocks> seb128: oh, so it looks like it’s already started by snaps in a daemon, but starting the canary image drops us in ubiquity-dm
[10:18] <seb128> didrocks, yes, because
[10:18] <seb128> a/ we don't have a such screen on the new installer yet
[10:18] <didrocks> should we just try ubuntu-desktop-installer? (I guess subiquity.ubuntu-desktop-installer?)
[10:18] <seb128> b/ I didn't remove ubiquity yet, mostly due to ^
[10:18] <didrocks> making sense, so live session -> ubuntu-desktop-installer
[10:18] <seb128> yes
[10:18] <didrocks> thanks!
[10:18] <seb128> and the binary is ubuntu-desktop-installer yes
[10:19] <seb128> not subiquity.
[10:19] <didrocks> ack
[10:20] <seb128> didrocks, we have a .desktop now but I didn't change the launcher config, from what I saw it sounds like we don't have overrides there, just include ubiquity in the default which is silently removed on an installer system since it's not installed?
[10:20] <seb128> installed system*
[10:21] <seb128> I guess I will build up on the same hack, add the new .desktop in the config which should give the right result once ubiquity isn't on the iso anymore
[10:23] <didrocks> yeah, sounds like a good path, but starting it manually works perfectly, thanks!
[10:25] <seb128> np!
[10:34] <seb128> jamesh, marcustomlinson, kenvandine, anyone wanting to +1 https://gitlab.gnome.org/Community/Ubuntu/gnome-software/-/merge_requests/37 for the issue discussed before? Also is the store going to autoconnect that one?
[10:34] <gitlab-bot> Ubuntu issue (Merge request) 37 in gnome-software "Use network-status which is required to get connectivity" [Opened]
[10:34]  * jamesh looks
[10:36] <jamesh> seb128: I've posted my thoughts on the problem here: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/the-ubuntu-software-application-refuses-to-see-that-i-am-online/24981/4?u=jamesh
[10:39] <seb128> jamesh, thanks
[11:01] <marcustomlinson> thanks jamesh!
[12:09] <seb128> jamesh, ok, the snap finally built, somehow launchpad picked the slowest builder, armhf was done before amd64
[12:10] <seb128> the new revision is in beta and confirmed that it autoconnect and that it solved the issue
[12:11] <seb128> if some others want to give a try to snap-store/beta before I promote it to stable? we screwed some revisions in a week, would be nice to have it right on this one!
[12:29] <oSoMoN> ricotz, seen https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telegram-desktop/+bug/1916469/comments/14 ? Looks like some recent firefox packaging changes need to be merged back to the branch used for trunk builds
[14:11] <ricotz> oSoMoN, oh, I see
[14:12] <ricotz> thanks, I think I picked up some changes though
[14:39] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[14:44] <oSoMoN> good morning hellsworth
[14:44] <hellsworth> hiya oSoMoN
[14:44] <marcustomlinson> hey hellsworth
[14:46] <hellsworth> o/ marcustomlinson
[16:10] <ricotz> hey hellswor1
[16:11] <ricotz> oSoMoN, I checked the current firefox-trunk build and it works as expected on wayland and runs natively
[16:12] <ricotz> (tested on focal)
[16:12] <oSoMoN> ricotz, ack, thanks for testing! can you comment on bug #1916469 to state that?
[16:46] <hellswor1> hey ricotz
[21:07] <KGB-2> mutter tags abfec47 Marco Trevisan upstream/40.2 * Upstream version 40.2 * https://deb.li/ilrBh
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[21:08] <KGB-2> mutter upstream/latest 6822b0e Pascal Nowack src/backends/meta-screen-cast-monitor-stream.c * screencast: Fix transform_position(), when using fractional scaling * https://deb.li/OWC0
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[15:48] <DJones> Just a heads up, just noticed this being linked & tagged as !ubuntu on identi.ca as a useful app, http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Ubuntu+Tools?content=125942 (Read's like its similar to ubuntu tweak) The code for the installer is at http://pastebin.com/pGWHffLz and wgets a file from somebodies dropbox account & looks to mostly install in /home before a gksudo -k cp of the installation into /usr/bin.  Does it look anything to be conce
[17:21] <tsimpson> those scripts make me cringe
[17:42] <tsimpson> DJones: I found such a lovely command in the script:
[17:42] <tsimpson>     rm -rf "/tmp/*"
[17:42] <tsimpson> (as root!)
[18:13] <DJones> Ouch, even with my limited knowledge, thats not good
[18:14] <tsimpson> for a start, it'll bork X
[18:14] <tsimpson> it'll probably break DBus too, at least for the user session
[18:14] <DJones> I've seen a link to it come up a few times on identi.ca this afternoon tagged as !ubuntu, so no doubt at some point there'll be some questions in #u when it kills something
[18:15] <tsimpson> well, I posted a scathing comment on the gnome-look page
[18:15] <tsimpson> hopefully people will read it before downloading
[18:15] <DJones> I won't hold my breath for people to read something before downloading
[18:16] <tsimpson> at least it may discourage some of the potential users
[22:17] <hamza_> hello?
[22:33] <nhandler> Hello hamza_, can I help you with something?
[22:44] <hamza_> no thank i had already resolved my probleme
[22:45] <Sensiva> hamza_ this is not a support channel, please read the topic and join #ubuntu for support


[00:52] <ypwong> happyaron, let me check
[00:52] <ypwong> happyaron, added you back to the team
[11:43] <happyaron> ypwong: ty
[20:14] <brad__> hi


[07:15] <juliank> seb128: JFTR (in case you see the regressions now and think they need fixing) I just uploaded a new update-manager to fix the autopkgtest regressions in 18.10.5.
[07:16] <juliank> The lines introduced by the livepatch message were too long
[07:16] <juliank> and there was an unused import, but I don't think that was related to the upload, just a new pyflakes test
[07:27] <seb128> juliank, oh ok, thanks!
[07:27] <seb128> sorry I sort of force pushed a bit that one since it wasn't getting reviewed by anyone from foundations :)
[07:29] <juliank> no problem
[11:55] <ahasenack> hi,
[11:55] <ahasenack> does anybody know when is the next dmb meeting?
[11:55] <ahasenack> the agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda lists dates from the past as the next meeting times
[11:59] <jbicha> ahasenack: updated :)
[11:59] <ahasenack> jbicha: thanks
[12:21] <jbicha> ahasenack: you can add your name back to the agenda with the date you plan to attend
[12:21] <ahasenack> jbicha: it's less than a week, I thought the next meeting would be on the 17th
[12:21] <abeato> Sigyn, hey, I added a bug for https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/ubuntu-image/pull/162#pullrequestreview-152846703 - it has failed the "boot" test though in xenial, but I do not think that is related to the changes
[12:22] <ahasenack> 24th is fine
[12:22] <ahasenack> there is still one endorsement I'm going after, too
[12:35] <abeato> Sigyn, oops, that was not for you, but for sil2100 :) sil2100 see above ^^
[12:45] <sil2100> abeato: thanks!
[12:46] <sil2100> abeato: yeah, boot can be flaky, sadly
[16:19] <cpaelzer> doko: I subscribed you on 1791010 in case you might have an idea what in gcc might be responsible for the change
[16:20] <cpaelzer> let me know if there is anything in particular that comes to your mind that could be tested
[19:11] <smoser> hey
[19:12] <smoser> open-iscsi is currently FTBFS, dieing with: undefined reference to `minor'
[19:12] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/W6R7fPPFcN/
[19:13] <smoser> https://github.com/hishamhm/htop/commit/c01f40eb3e599f55d408448228d95ecee4b2031f
[20:16] <Ulfalizer> any recent known startup issues with gdm3? had to switch to lightdm to get my system working again after running an 'apt full-upgrade'.
[20:16] <Ulfalizer> could share some logs, but thought i'd check first. think this guy might be having the same issue: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2400466
[20:17] <Ulfalizer> that script failing is just a symptom though i think
[20:23] <nacc> Ulfalizer: you might want #ubuntu?
[20:23] <jbicha> Ulfalizer: there is a fix incoming in a few hours: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/3.30.0-0ubuntu2
[20:37] <Ulfalizer> jbicha: great, thanks! sent an email to the guy who wrote the script about maybe making it fail more gracefully too.
[21:48] <LargePrime> sladen, regarding udev, it seems there are lots of problems.  is it that hard to recompile a driver for a mouse?  is it a full dedicated driver, or more of a config file?