[00:21] <collin> Having an issue with fglrx and my new ATI Radeon HD 4670 card.
[00:21] <collin> When starting X, I can certainly hear the GDM login sound, but there is no visual output.
[00:22] <collin> Pressing Enter and entering my password, then enter again apparently loads GNOME like normal. Still no visual output.
[00:22] <collin> After logging into GNOME, I can run fglrxinfo and glxinfo without issue.
[00:23] <paultag> collin: psst, I see you
[00:23] <collin> paultag: ohai.
[00:23] <paultag> don't run!
[00:23] <paultag> collin: did you start or do any work on whube comment stuff?
[00:24] <collin> paultag: Not yet.
[00:24] <paultag> collin: righto, thanks
[00:24] <collin> Currently trying to get my graphics card working :P.
[00:24] <paultag> collin: OK, now what's your issue
[00:24] <paultag> collin: what do you mean load without issue?
[00:24] <paultag> collin: like it will be a sole window on a black screen?
[00:25] <collin> paultag: As in, they actually output something other than "segmentation fault" or "Cannot open screen"
[00:25] <collin> I can't see anything, though.
[00:25] <paultag> collin: how are you running them?
[00:25] <collin> Both of those commands are terminal-based commands.
[00:25] <paultag> well yeah
[00:25] <paultag> collin: are you running an export DISPLAY or something?
[00:26] <collin> No, I'm not.
[00:26] <collin> I tried it, same issue.
[00:26] <paultag> collin: so how are you running them?
[00:26] <collin> paultag: I can use the keyboard to log in to GNOME through GDM and they run after that, terminal output.
[00:27] <paultag> collin: how do you see the terminal, if you can't see GNOME is my question
[00:27] <collin> paultag: virtual terminal
[00:27] <collin> (F1-F6)
[00:28] <paultag> collin: and how do you run the app? I asked if you had to use the export DISPLAY hack to run it
[00:28] <paultag> collin: you won't connect to X unless you do that
[00:28] <paultag> it should "Error can not open Display"
[00:28] <paultag> unless you `export DISPLAY=:0.0`
[00:28] <collin> Alright, hang on.
[00:30] <collin> fglrxinfo only works after I use the keyboard to log in to GNOME.
[00:30] <paultag> collin: still, it should fail unless you export 100%
[00:30] <collin> And after using the DISPLAY variable.
[00:30] <collin> or, var.
[00:30] <collin> whatever.
[00:31] <paultag> collin: anyway, no big deal. So, the X session is active, but you can't see it
[00:31] <collin> Yeah
[00:32] <paultag> collin: did you try a dpkg-reconfigure on xserver-xorg ?
[00:33] <collin> Just did - no effect.
[00:33] <paultag> collin: what about the ati xserver config tool -- sec, I'll find it
[00:34] <paultag> /usr/bin/aticonfig --initial
[00:34] <paultag> collin: does that run?
[00:34] <collin> Yeah, I did that.
[00:34] <paultag> collin: grr/
[00:34] <paultag> collin: manually edit xorg.conf and try using the vesa driver
[00:35] <collin> I used VESA before - works fine.
[00:35] <paultag> collin: I'd chalk this up to a crap ati driver :(
[00:36]  * collin sighs
[00:36] <paultag> collin: the xserver folks broke it around 9.04 or 8.10 ish
[00:37] <collin> This should be a fairly common card.
[00:37] <paultag> collin: but it's the nonfree driver
[00:37] <paultag> collin: and iirc upstream is just jerking it, and not doing much
[00:37] <collin> Does the free driver provide the same functionality?
[00:38] <paultag> collin: I'm not sure
[00:38] <paultag> collin: can't hurt to try
[00:40] <collin> "2D modesetting only: <snip> 4xxx"
[00:40] <collin> yay.
[02:35] <Fanshawe> Hello everyone. Me again. Wondering if there's a solution to the 'Failed to Suspend' error gnome power manager seems to give me everytime I close my laptop lid.
[02:35] <Fanshawe> It seems to successfully suspend, but gives the error upon coming back to the desktop.
[02:36] <damo-man> X is trying to load an nvidia module, but i have a radeon card- i can't find any mention of nvidia in any of the X config files - anyone have any ideas? I can't use Xorg -configure because it complains about the nvidia module not being able to be loaded
[02:38] <damo-man> anyone have any ideas?
[02:39] <stlsaint> hrm,
[02:39] <stlsaint> Fanshawe: not sure about your issue
[02:39] <stlsaint> damo-man: what drivers are you using?
[02:40] <damo-man> well, i'm not sure, but lspci gives me radeon ati express 200
[02:40] <damo-man> Radeon Xpress 200 that is
[02:40] <damo-man> so i assume it should use the radeon drivers
[02:41] <damo-man> "radeon" is listed under "List of video drivers" when Xorg -configure starts up
[02:41] <damo-man> xorg-server 2:1.7.6-2ubuntu7.2 is the one i'm running...
[02:41] <damo-man> Current Operating System: Linux jupiter 2.6.32-23-generic
[02:41] <stlsaint> damo-man: what is listed in your hardware driver list?
[02:42] <damo-man> how do i get my hardware driver list?
[02:42] <damo-man> lshw - ok.. hang on...
[02:43] <damo-man> display description: VGA compatible controller
[02:44] <damo-man> product: RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200]
[02:44] <damo-man> configuration: driver=radeon latency=64 mingnt=8
[02:44] <damo-man> so it looks like i'm using radeon as the driver
[02:44] <damo-man> (i'm thinking?)
[02:51] <stlsaint> damo-man: no look in your System>admin>hardware
[02:52] <damo-man> I'm not running X, coz X is broken :)
[02:52] <damo-man> where else can I look?
[02:54] <stlsaint> aye, nevermind that...yea do you have another system to use?
[02:54] <damo-man> another system to use?
[02:54] <damo-man> i have a mac (which is what i'm using now) - is that what you mean?
[02:55] <damo-man> i don't have another linux system - no..
[05:51] <nuboon2age_> kermiac_: ping
[08:27] <kermiac> anyone here use glipper?
[08:28] <sayres> hi
[08:28] <sayres> anyone here use glipper?
[08:28] <duanedesign> kermiac: huh, it looks interesting. Do you?
[08:29] <kermiac> sayres: hi... trying to find someone else who uses it for you
[08:29] <kermiac> duanedesign: nope, sayres came into my loco chan asking about it - I've never used it
[08:29] <kermiac> if noone uses it I can install and try it
[08:29] <duanedesign> kermiac: i thought you might be working on a bug or something :)
[08:30] <kermiac> duanedesign: i am, but not a glipper bug hehe
[08:30] <kermiac> so no takers?
[08:31] <kermiac> ok, sayres can you please run "apt-cache policy glipper" (without the quotes) & pastebin the results?
[08:31] <kermiac> !pastbing > sayres
[08:31] <ubot2> Factoid 'pastbing' not found
[08:31] <kermiac> !pastbin> sayres
[08:31] <ubot2> Factoid 'pastbin' not found
[08:31] <kermiac> gah
[08:31] <kermiac> !pastebin> sayres
[08:31] <ubot2> sayres, please see my private message
[08:32] <duanedesign> kermiac: did you send a pm or is ubot just crazy?
[08:32] <kermiac> duanedesign: that made ubot send the pm (after i fumbled typing the factoid hehe)
[08:32] <sayres> where insert apt-cache policy glipper ?
[08:32] <duanedesign> ahhh some ubot-fu
[08:33] <kermiac> sayres: sorry, please run that command from a terminal
[08:33] <sayres> i insert yo run application
[08:33] <ddecator> duanedesign: comes in handy :)
[08:33] <sayres> ok
[08:33] <kermiac> duanedesign: yup, ubot is great :)
[08:33] <sayres> glipper:
[08:33] <sayres>   Installed: 1.0-1.1ubuntu1
[08:33] <sayres>   Candidate: 1.0-1.1ubuntu1
[08:33] <sayres>   Version table:
[08:33] <sayres>  *** 1.0-1.1ubuntu1 0
[08:33] <sayres>         500 http://ubuntuarchive.eweka.nl/ubuntu/ lucid/universe Packages
[08:33] <sayres>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[08:33]  * kermiac patpats ubot2
[08:33] <kermiac> sayres: !pastebin
[08:34] <sayres> pastebin ?whats mean?
[08:34] <kermiac> sayres: sorry, the bot is having "issues". it was supposed to pm you
[08:34] <kermiac> sayres: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[08:34]  * kermiac kicks ubot2
[08:35] <kermiac> sayres: what flavour of ubuntu are you running? ubuntu, kubuntu, lubuntu, etc
[08:36] <sayres> ubuntu 10.4
[08:36] <sayres> very nice gooooooood
[08:37] <kermiac> sayres: ok, please right click on the top panel & select "add to panel"
[08:37] <sayres> what else
[08:37] <kermiac> sayres: in the list you will see "clipboard manager", select that & click "add"
[08:38] <kermiac> sayres: than you will have glipper on your panel
[08:38] <sayres> yes ok
[08:38] <kermiac> !pastebin> kermiac
[08:38] <ubot2> kermiac, please see my private message
[08:38] <kermiac> !pastebin | kermiac
[08:38] <kermiac> !pastebin
[08:38] <ubot2> For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[08:39]  * kermiac hugs ubot2
[08:39] <kermiac> much better
[08:39] <kermiac> sayres: ok, did that work?
[08:40] <sayres> im tryin':-/
[08:41] <kermiac> sayres: ok, please let me know how you go :)
[08:41] <kermiac> hi xiaogui :)
[08:42] <xiaogui> i download some Chinese .txt files, and unrared them, but then i found all the contents are unreadable, does anyone know the possible reason?
[08:42] <sayres> kermiac: how can i paste it?
[08:44] <sayres> kermic ???
[08:44] <sayres> kermiac?
[08:44] <xiaogui> hi, kermiac. :D
[08:44] <kermiac> sayres: left click the glipper applet, select (left click) the text & then right click, paste wherever you want to paste it
[08:45] <kermiac> sayres: please be patient, sometimes my old fingers dont type as fast as they used to ;)
[08:46] <kermiac> xiaogui: i do not use chinese fonts, however my google-fu says you may want to look at this page - http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/HOWTO:_Optimise_Ubuntu_for_Chinese_desktop
[08:47] <kermiac> anyone else here use chinese fonts?
[08:47] <ddecator> kermiac: for having "old" slow fingers, you beat me to that one :p
[08:47] <hobgoblin> xiaogui: try looking in System - Admin - Language Support
[08:47] <kermiac> ddecator: haha
[08:47] <ddecator> dang, and hobgoblin beat me to that suggestion..
[08:47] <hobgoblin> kermiac: plenty in here with old fingers
[08:47] <ddecator> every time i'm about to hit <enter> you guys chime in, haha
[08:47] <sayres> kermiac: i copy tow files....but i cant past none of them??
[08:47] <kermiac> thanks hobgoblin :)
[08:48] <hobgoblin> and fat fingers - it's not that I can't spell ...
[08:48] <kermiac> hobgoblin: I use that excuse too hehe
[08:49] <sayres> it just for the text???
[08:49] <kermiac> yes, sayres it is just for text
[08:49] <hobgoblin> it's a clipboard sayres
[08:49] <kermiac> sayres: what are you trying to do exactly?
[08:50] <hobgoblin> if you want to copy files use the file manager
[08:50] <sayres> i want copy tow or more files not text?can i?
[08:50] <kermiac> sayres: do you mean two or more?
[08:50] <hobgoblin> use the file manager - Ctrl +left mouse
[08:51] <kermiac> just double checking that I understand
[08:51] <ddecator> Ctrl+left click
[08:51] <ddecator> hobgoblin: darn, again..
[08:51] <hobgoblin> :)
[08:51] <kermiac> sayres: yeah, what hobgoblin & ddecator said
[08:52] <xiaogui> hobgoblin: I can read and write and write chinese in vim.
[08:52] <sayres>  kermiac:its not my mean...:-$
[08:52] <ddecator> xiaogui: maybe the file got corrupt during compression/uncompression
[08:53] <hobgoblin> xiaogui: if you already have chinese language support then I would assume that ^^
[08:54] <xiaogui> you mean there's problem in my unrar software?
[08:54] <sayres>  kermiac:i want copy one file and next page copy the other copy  then tow copis past the onother page ....can i say my mean?
[08:55] <sayres> onother = another
[08:55] <ddecator> xiaogui: not necessarily. maybe try downloading the file and uncompressing it again. it could be whoever compressed the file corrupted it
[08:56] <sayres> hobgoblin & ddecator &  kermiac:i want copy one file and next page copy the other copy  then tow copis past the another page ....can i say my mean?
[08:56] <hobgoblin> sayres: you want to copy files from more than one folder?
[08:57] <sayres>  hobgoblin: yes
[08:59] <xiaogui> ddecator: ok, thanks, i'll try
[09:00] <hobgoblin> sayres: I'd use cp in a terminal then
[09:00] <sayres> hobgoblin: is this work possible?
[09:01] <sayres> hobgoblin:whats mean?
[09:01] <hobgoblin> yes - but personally if they are important files and you've not used cp then I would be inclined to just move them one at a time in the file manager
[09:03] <sayres> so the work that i wanna do impossible:'(
[09:03] <sayres> hobgoblin:so the work that i wanna do impossible:'(
[09:04] <hobgoblin> sayres: you can copy more than one file to a new destination with cp
[09:05] <sayres> cp by terminal?
[09:05] <sayres> hobgoblin: cp by terminal?
[09:05] <hobgoblin> yes
[09:05] <hobgoblin> no need to repeat :) I'm watching
[09:06] <kermiac> sayres: 'cp' is a terminal command, something you type in a terminal window
[09:06] <sayres> i know but i want use gui program
[09:07] <kermiac> sayres: i don't think it is possible with a gui program
[09:07] <sayres> forever thanks
[09:07] <kermiac> no problem sayres, i wish we could've helped you more
[09:07] <sayres> all of yours
[09:07] <hobgoblin> sayres: hang on a moment
[09:09] <sayres> ok
[09:12] <hobgoblin> sayres: sorry - was looking at a different file manager
[09:12] <hobgoblin> sayres: might need to use the terminal
[09:23] <sayres> ok tanks
[09:30] <meindian523> lukjad,
[09:30] <meindian523> no 007, no 86, what happened to yer tails?
[09:49] <xiaogui> kermiac: Thanks for the website. I just solved the problem. with  "iconv -f gb2312 -t utf-8 < file.txt" command. :D
[09:50] <ddecator> very nice :)
[09:50] <kermiac> xiaogui: good to hear :)
[09:51] <xiaogui> ;)
[09:52] <meindian523> what does that do?
[09:52] <meindian523> nvm
[10:17] <hobgoblin> o/
[10:17] <philinux> Mornin
[12:49] <duanedesign> morning all
[12:55] <philinux> o/ duane
[12:56] <paultag> hey philinux
[12:56] <philinux> ok how's tricks
[12:56] <paultag> not bad, how are you philinux?
[12:57] <philinux> ok, weasther really dull here going do some diy this aft
[12:57] <paultag> aye, what on?
[12:57] <paultag> rebuilding an engine?
[12:57] <paultag> making a table?
[12:57] <paultag> playing FOOBALL?
[12:58] <paultag> although that last one was not really DIY
[12:58] <philinux> Some wallpaper needs fixing in kitchen
[12:58] <paultag> ah yes, outstanding
[12:58] <paultag> philinux: I don't have anything to fix :(
[12:59] <philinux> oh well lazy day for you then
[12:59] <paultag> yessir
[12:59] <philinux> My sis os over tomoz so I gotta clean up too.
[12:59] <paultag> Oh, nice! :)
[12:59] <paultag> going to cook up something nice there philinux?
[13:00] <philinux> chilli
[13:00] <paultag> nice :)
[13:00] <philinux> Big pot with garlic bread. I'll freeze any left over
[13:03]  * duanedesign is getting hungry
[13:04]  * philinux just had two boiled eggs, with mayo
[13:15]  * paultag just had oatmeal
[13:15] <paultag> <3 oatmeal
[13:23] <philinux> No-one needs any help then, must be all running smoothly out there. lol.
[15:36] <Silver_Fox_> Good to see you bgs100  :)
[15:36] <bgs100> Hi Silver_Fox_
[15:37] <zkriesse> mornin/evenin/afternoon folks
[15:37] <zkriesse> ah hello Silver_Fox_ and bgs100
[15:37] <bgs100> Heya zkriesse
[15:38] <Silver_Fox_> How are you bgs100  ?
[15:38] <bgs100> Pretty good, you?
[15:38] <Silver_Fox_> Good enough
[15:38] <Silver_Fox_> Doing some work with PERL!!!
[15:38] <Silver_Fox_> :)
[15:39] <bgs100> Ah
[15:39] <Silver_Fox_> Think I messed up an escape characted somewhere
[15:39] <Silver_Fox_> Debugging
[15:45] <Silver_Fox_>  And now it is fixed
[15:48] <bgs100> Yay
[15:48] <Silver_Fox_> \/ and \" is allowed in PERL also :)
[20:06] <darknemesis> When butterflies are in love, do they feel humans in their stomach???
[20:21] <smeag0l> haha darknemesis ;D
[20:47] <darknemesis> anyone in the uk want to rubber neck the moat thing? on bbc news now - with gun to head
[22:08] <Liplol> Excuse me...how can I get my whole monitor to be used? There is a half inch barrier on all sides. I have the resolution set at the size of my monitor, but its still not taking up the extra space.
[22:14] <Liplol> Anyone have any idea as to why that might be?


[01:01] <cjwatson> evand: ENOSPC means bad partitioning not bad hard disk, generally
[01:01] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r1900 ubiquity/ (bin/ubiquity debian/changelog):
[01:01] <CIA-4> ubiquity: * Enable migration-assistant by default. Replace --migration-assistant
[01:01] <CIA-4> ubiquity:  option with --no-migration-assistant.
[01:01] <cjwatson> evand: but yes, it would be good to catch it and display a more helpful error message; want to do that? :-)
[01:08] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r1901 ubiquity/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
[01:08] <CIA-4> ubiquity: * Add a console-setup-apply script rather than hacking console-setup's
[01:08] <CIA-4> ubiquity:  post-base-installer script (which is being renamed and changed in ways
[01:08] <CIA-4> ubiquity:  that aren't appropriate for ubiquity).
[01:10] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r1902 ubiquity/ (configure configure.ac): bump to 1.3.23
[01:14] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r1903 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[01:14] <CIA-4> ubiquity: * Automatic update of included source packages: base-installer
[01:14] <CIA-4> ubiquity:  1.70ubuntu5, hw-detect 1.45ubuntu2, partman-base 100ubuntu5.
[01:50] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r1904 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog scripts/check-kernels):
[01:50] <CIA-4> ubiquity: * Make sure we never try to remove the kernel package corresponding to the
[01:50] <CIA-4> ubiquity:  running kernel (LP: #86427).
[02:57] <evand> cjwatson: sure, would that be a Feisty+1 target?
[02:58] <cjwatson> I'd be more than happy to install protection against the ENOSPC class of bugs for Feisty
[02:59] <evand> ok, I should have time to play around with that this weekend
[02:59] <cjwatson> cool
[02:59] <cjwatson> adding the check itself in scripts/install.py would be trivial; the reason I haven't done it is that I also wanted to track down why some of the ENOSPC bugs were happening, because some of them seem to be due to bogus application of partitioning
[02:59] <cjwatson> (e.g. /boot being mounted under / rather than over it)
[03:02] <evand> ah
[03:03] <evand> ENOSPC covers the no space left on the device bugs, but what about the read only filesytem ones where syslog shows signs of a bad drive.  Can we handle those as well?
[03:05] <cjwatson> we do ...
[03:05] <evand> Really?  Are the bugs I'm seeing just in Edgy then?
[03:06] <cjwatson> unless it manifests as IOError (in which case you need feisty to detect that) or unless the first thing to hit EROFS is a subsidiary script rather than something in ubiquity itself
[03:06] <evand> ah
[03:16] <evand> whoa, I just saw that commit message
[03:25] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r1905 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.3.23
[03:26] <cjwatson> evand: Mithrandir asked me to either turn it on by default or defer it for feisty
[03:26] <cjwatson> evand: guess I should have talked to you first though :-)
[03:32] <evand> no, it's a-ok
[03:32] <evand> I figured it'd be coming up
[03:33] <evand> I'll be getting 0.4.1 out today or tomorrow in response though :-)
[07:34] <secureboot> i'm working on a partman recipe for ubuntu...
[07:36] <secureboot> http://pastebin.ca/375918
[07:36] <secureboot> i get that i don't have enough room for something...
[07:36] <secureboot> i wanted a 1G /boot, 2.5G /, and the rest unused
[07:38] <cjwatson> please don't paraphrase error messages; what exact error do you get?
[07:38] <cjwatson> the reason why you should never paraphrase error messages is that it prevents developers from searching for them in order to find a starting point for investigating your problem
[07:38] <secureboot> yeah - i was waiting to get it again - one sec
[07:39] <cjwatson> you need a . at the end of that recipe or it won't work properly
[07:40] <secureboot> can't have a parition outside the disk
[07:40] <cjwatson> the . terminates partitions, it doesn't separate them
[07:40] <cjwatson> assuming that adding . doesn't fix it, does your disk have an HPA (host protected area)?
[07:41] <secureboot> yeah, i missed the last . when i copied
[07:41] <secureboot> cjwatson: i don't know what that is, unfortunately - they're very standard scsi disks, however, with no special stuff
[07:42] <cjwatson> HPA isn't all that special these days
[07:42] <cjwatson> SATA?
[07:42] <cjwatson> or real SCSI?
[07:42] <secureboot> the next error screen said that the error was probably because I had too many primary partiions, which doesn't seem true
[07:42] <secureboot> cjwatson: SATA, actually
[07:42] <cjwatson> ok, kyle's recent work might sort it out then, in theory
[07:43] <cjwatson> but if I'm to investigate it properly, I'd need a bug report on partman-auto with syslog and partman attached
[07:43] <cjwatson> ideally, run the install with DEBCONF_DEBUG=5
[07:43] <cjwatson> (on the kernel command line)
[07:44] <secureboot> cjwatson: but in general, the recipe looks reasonable?
[07:44] <secureboot> other than having /boot be 90-200M instead of 900-2000M?
[07:44] <secureboot> i had a recipe before that actually did work
[07:45] <secureboot> namely, the example in https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/example-preseed.txt
[07:51] <cjwatson> secureboot: I think it's OK
[07:51] <cjwatson> though ironically I don't actually use preseeding myself much :-)
[07:51] <secureboot> cjwatson: okay - i looked over it pretty carefully and read http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/devel/partman-auto-recipe.txt pretty carefully
[07:52] <secureboot> cjwatson: ha, too bad - i've found it to be really handy
[07:52] <cjwatson> yeah, that's canonical
[07:52] <cjwatson> oh, I'm sure I'd use it if I needed to deploy lots of machines :)
[07:52] <cjwatson> too much of my time gets sucked into ubiquity
[07:57] <evand> I'll cross my fingers and say I'll have more time to contribute to areas in it outside of the m-a code for the next release.
[07:57] <cjwatson> you'd be very welcome
[07:58] <cjwatson> since I've started managing a team within Canonical, my hacking time in general has been reduced
[07:58] <evand> speaking of Feisty+1, where is UDS this time?
[07:58] <cjwatson> Seville, Spain
[07:58] <evand> ah
[07:59] <evand> I'm surprised it's not on the wiki.
[07:59] <cjwatson> it's still in the planning stages I think
[07:59] <evand> ah, then that'd make more sense
[08:00] <evand> I remembered them mentioning Spain at Mountain View, but I couldn't recall exactly where.
[08:00] <evand> Hrm, I need to work on getting my passport and whatnot in order as that's quickly creeping up.
[08:06] <evand> cjwatson: Congratulations on the promotion, by the way.
[09:32] <cjwatson> thanks
[09:32] <cjwatson> it's a mixed blessing in some ways ;-)


[02:49] <bdx> lazy|sprint: i hooked it up the rest of the way, check it -> https://github.com/jamesbeedy/layer-kibana
[06:00] <Prabakaran> juju bootstrap failed stating "Error: Flag provided but not defined --config"in juju 2.0 installation. Could someone help me to resolve this issue?
[07:14] <jose> Prabakaran: still around?
[07:15] <Prabakaran> hi jose
[07:15] <Prabakaran> can you help me on this
[07:15] <jose> Prabakaran: hello! were you able to fix your issue?
[07:15] <jose> if not, I'd like to know what command are you executing
[07:16] <jose> over here, please
[07:16] <jose> Prabakaran: ^
[07:17] <Prabakaran> i was giving this command to bootstrap "juju bootstrap --config default-series=xenial lxd-test lxd"
[07:19] <jose> Prabakaran: oh! I believe I know what's going on.
[07:19] <jose> Prabakaran: so, can you try editing your environments.yaml file and add a line to your environment? this should have "default-series" as a key, and "xenial" as a value
[07:20] <Prabakaran> k let me try
[07:22] <jose> Prabakaran: sure! once you have changed that, let me know :)
[07:25] <Prabakaran> i have made the changes
[07:26] <Prabakaran> can i bootstrap the env?
[07:26] <jose> Prabakaran: not actually, I have just two questions
[07:26] <jose> Prabakaran: is this the only environment? or do you have multiple environments?
[07:27] <Prabakaran> this is the only environment i am using.. not any other
[07:27] <jose> Prabakaran: ok! then I personally suggest executing "juju switch [environment name goes here]". that way, it will be more simple to execute your commands
[07:28] <jose> otherwise, you will have to append the -e flag for every single command you execute in juju
[07:28] <Prabakaran> k
[07:29] <Prabakaran> i swiched the local environment
[07:29] <jose> Prabakaran: and finally, can you provide me with the output of "juju version"?
[07:30] <Prabakaran> 1.25.3-willy-amd64
[07:30] <jose> Prabakaran: aha! there we go. you're getting the error because you are still using 1.25 instead of 2.0
[07:30] <Prabakaran> oh is it?
[07:30] <jose> yep!
[07:31] <Prabakaran> i followed this commands
[07:31] <Prabakaran>   sudo add-apt-repository ppa:juju/devel   sudo apt-get update   sudo apt install juju2
[07:31] <Prabakaran>   sudo mkdir /var/lib/zfs   sudo truncate -s 50G /var/lib/zfs/lxd.img
[07:31] <Prabakaran>   sudo zpool create lxd /var/lib/zfs/lxd.img   sudo zpool status
[07:31] <jose> Prabakaran: ok, one sec
[07:31] <Prabakaran>   sudo lxd init --auto --storage-backend zfs --storage-pool lxd   newgrp -  # I think this is needed to get into the LXD group
[07:31] <jose> Prabakaran: before moving, on, I need you to do me a favor
[07:32] <Prabakaran> hmm sure
[07:32] <jose> Prabakaran: please go to paste.ubuntu.com, and paste in that box the output of "apt-cache policy juju2"
[07:32] <jose> then, give me the link over here
[07:39] <Prabakaran> hi jose.. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15608142/
[07:40] <jose> Prabakaran: thanks!
[07:40] <jose> Prabakaran: hmm. weird. what's the output of "juju2 version"?
[07:43] <Prabakaran> juju2 version is 2.0-beta3-wily-amd64
[07:46] <jose> Prabakaran: try executing your same command, but instead of "juju" at the beginning, use "juju2"
[07:49] <Prabakaran> version command?
[07:50] <Prabakaran> output of juju2 version is 2.0-beta3-wily-amd64
[07:50] <jose> Prabakaran: no, no. "juju2 bootstrap --config default-series=xenial lxd-test lxd"
[07:50] <Prabakaran> oh k
[07:50] <Prabakaran> let me try
[07:50] <jose> sure thing! let me know how it goes
[07:53] <Prabakaran> ya it is downloading lxd xenial image now
[07:54] <Prabakaran> is it mandatory to use ubuntu 15 and above version for juju 2.0 installation?
[08:02] <jose> Prabakaran: woohoo! great news! yes, we need 16.04 or above because LXD is only available on 16.04+
[08:02] <jose> Prabakaran: from now on, execute "juju2" instead of "juju" in all commands on the guide :)
[08:03] <jose> that should make it work!
[08:04] <Prabakaran> if i use juju2 instead of juju .. is it possible for me to use juju2.0 and lxd in ubuntu 14.0?
[08:04] <jose> Prabakaran: no, it is not. LXD and dependencies are not available for 14.04. Only available for 16.04 at the moment, from what I understand.
[08:05] <Prabakaran> k
[08:19] <Prabakaran> hi jose, bootstrap got failled stating "ERROR failed to bootstrap model: waited for 10m0s without being able to connect: /var/lib/juju/nonce.txt does not exist"
[08:21] <jose> Prabakaran: it looks like but 1314682. I'm about to head out for the night, but someone should be back in a couple hours.
[08:22] <jose> also, please do not PM contributors. we may take a while to respond, and it's better to post here in case I don't know the answer but someone else does :)
[08:22] <Prabakaran> Thanks jose.. i will wait for the reply on this
[08:23] <jose> np. if you don't get a response, you can always email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:23] <Prabakaran> ya sure
[10:14] <A-Kaser> hi
[10:31] <BlackDex> Hello there
[10:31] <BlackDex> i'm unable to create a backup of juju
[10:32] <BlackDex> i get the following response
[10:32] <BlackDex> 2016-04-04 10:31:24 ERROR juju.cmd supercommand.go:429 while creating backup archive: while bundling state-critical files: write to tar file failed: failed to write "/var/log/juju/all-machines.log": archive/tar: write too long
[13:29] <lazy|sprint> o/ greetings from the sprint in DC everyone
[13:29] <magicaltrout> wwoooooo
[13:29] <rick_h_> lazy|sprint: woot!
[13:30] <aisrael> o/ lazy|sprint
[13:30] <lazy|sprint> friendly reminder, that we have an open channel via appear.in, and our planning is happening publically on a taiga board.
[13:30] <lazy|sprint> more info here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/juju/2016-April/006966.html
[13:42] <magicaltrout> who knew mums could be so annoying
[13:42] <magicaltrout> I've actually had to enable parental controls on my home router
[13:43] <magicaltrout> to stop my mum showing my mrs endless instagram and facebook posts
[13:43] <magicaltrout> i guess its called parental control for a reason
[13:45] <lazy|sprint> haha
[13:47] <magicaltrout> oh you have no idea what its like lazy|sprint, when my dad died, my mum went out and bought an ipad mini, which was acceptable, but then signed up to every social media network going
[13:47] <magicaltrout> on facebook technically we're "friends" but I completely unfollowed her because its so.... so... so... annoying
[13:47] <lazy|sprint> magicaltrout - no i have a similar story. when my mom got divorced i gave her an ipad and its been a never ending repost fest
[13:47] <magicaltrout> then she visits and doesn't ever put down the tabel
[13:47] <magicaltrout> aye
[13:47] <magicaltrout> mums should live on pintrest
[13:47] <magicaltrout> and nowhere else
[13:49]  * lazy|sprint grins
[13:49] <lazy|sprint> i cant comment that forcefully about it. Its keeping my mum out of trouble
[13:51] <magicaltrout> well at first i blocked her mac address on the router
[13:51] <magicaltrout> but figured that was a bit mean
[13:51] <magicaltrout> so I let her back in and just blocked facebook and instagram
[13:52] <magicaltrout> handily you don't get some "parental lock" warning, it just never connects so it doesn't look like I'm being mean
[14:05] <lazy|sprint> cory_fu - +10000 to that bug. you'll wind up catching all my schenanigans early if we enable that.
[14:06] <lazy|sprint> for reference: https://github.com/juju/charm-tools/issues/171
[14:16] <cory_fu> :)
[15:30] <marcoceppi> lazy|sprint: here's the actual jsonschema: http://spacetelescope.github.io/understanding-json-schema/reference/generic.html
[15:33] <lazy|sprint> gracias
[15:47] <lazy|sprint> marcoceppi https://github.com/juju/charm-tools/issues/173
[15:47] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: ^^ halp plz
[15:49] <cory_fu> Hrm.  That's odd.
[15:51] <cory_fu> Oh, lazy|sprint, you have to nest the options by layer name
[15:52] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: thanks, we should warn or err if there's a layer key defined that's not found in the layer list
[15:52] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: that was the real issue, but the validation worked!
[15:52] <cory_fu> Yeah, +1 on erroring if defining options for a non-existant layer
[15:52] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: cool, not as critical of a bug
[15:53] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: thanks for the halp
[15:56] <icey> I have a bundle that I'm updating, I've updated the readme but it hasn't updated on the store? I can see the updated readme if I click on it but the main page shows the old version
[16:06] <beisner> jamespage, can you have a run through ppc64el smt nova-compute mods?  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301183/
[16:09] <c0s> cory_fu: kwmonroe the road-bumps I was going trough on Friday got me thinking: does it even make sens to try to mix the installation of Hadoop tarbalss with something more structured as Bigtop packages?
[16:15] <cory_fu> c0s: By mix, you're talking about installing Big Top's Ignite package on top of the Hadoop libs currently supplied by the Plugin charm?
[16:17] <c0s> yeah
[16:17] <cory_fu> You know, we talked at one point of having the Plugin charm support a second interface, hadoop-plugin-rest or such, that would provide the server info but not install the client libs or set up the config env.  Maybe that would be a better fit for this?
[16:18] <c0s> or rather let's resort to a clean-cut installation with packages only? If the latter, then I won't even waste anymore time on trying to resolve the configuration conflicts I got last time
[16:18] <c0s> I am not sure cory_fu - perhaps need a bit more info than just that ;)
[16:19] <cory_fu> That way, a Big Top component, like Ignite, could just use that connection info and let the Hadoop libs and config be managed by the Big Top package, but smaller third parties that aren't yet part of Big Top can let the Plugin manage the lib and configs so they don't have to
[16:19] <cory_fu> And they would both work with the Plugin charm, just by using different interfaces on it
[16:20] <c0s> hmm, that sounds good cory_fu.   Help me Tom Cruise
[16:50] <lazy|sprint> cory_fu http://i.imgur.com/wIievS7.jpg
[16:50] <cory_fu> :D
[16:52] <jcastro_> marcoceppi, http://paste.ubuntu.com/15616534/
[16:56] <icey> jcastro_: yes, the new version is the current version, it's updated now so I think it just takes a bit
[16:57] <jcastro_> urulama, 3 perm --channel unpublished
[16:57] <jcastro_> perm:
[16:57] <jcastro_>   Read:
[16:57] <jcastro_>   - jorge
[16:57] <jcastro_>   Write:
[16:57] <jcastro_>   - jorge
[16:57] <jcastro_> is the output of the last command
[16:57] <urulama> hm, that is weird, so, ACLs are ok, you just can't publish
[16:58] <urulama> sorry, push
[17:00] <marcoceppi> urulama: yeah
[17:01] <urulama> jcastro: ok, so, revision 1 seems to be published and promulgated, but revision 3 is not published and set to jorge only
[17:01] <marcoceppi> urulama: why do we get an error?
[17:01] <marcoceppi> urulama: so it uploaded but just gave a weird error?
[17:01] <urulama> marcoceppi: it's gated to jorge only
[17:02] <urulama> marcoceppi: but the error is weird, yes
[17:02] <cory_fu> lazy|sprint, marcoceppi: Tests fixed
[17:02] <marcoceppi> urulama: cool, he just pushed to development channel
[17:02] <marcoceppi> urulama: that error seem superfluous
[17:02] <urulama> ok, will talk to jrwren later on 1-1, he'll look into this
[17:03] <jrwren> oh no!
[17:03] <marcoceppi> urulama: thanks, I think this error even happened on the frist upload, not that I think about it
[17:03] <marcoceppi> urulama: we will test more with another bundle
[17:03] <urulama> marcoceppi: ok, thanks
[17:06] <LiftedKilt> out of curiosity, has anyone ever tried adding 2k machines to a model?
[17:07] <LiftedKilt> I imagine it will make the state database cry and qq
[17:14] <cory_fu> kjackal: Thanks for putting together https://github.com/ktsakalozos/jujubigdata-assemblage  We should create a README for it based on http://bigdata.juju.solutions/getstarted or such and add links to our blog, presentations, etc.
[17:14] <cory_fu> But I think it will definitely lower the barrier to entry for the big data charms
[17:36] <icey> the Juju base layer (https://github.com/juju-solutions/layer-basic/blob/master/tox.ini) sets up tox for python3.4, which Xenial seems to not have, should that version be bumped or should somebody work on adding python3.4 into Xenial?
[17:46] <cory_fu> icey: We should probably bump it up, though we should ensure that we can also run tests on trusty
[17:47] <icey> reading the docs, it looks like you can do 3.5 and 3.5, and that tox should skip missing
[17:47] <icey> rather, 3.4 and 3.5
[17:47] <icey> cory_fu:
[17:53] <cory_fu> icey: https://github.com/juju-solutions/layer-basic/pull/52
[17:54] <icey> cory_fu: there's one more issue :) the makefile breaks with 3.5 right now
[17:54] <icey> it expects flake8 in the py34 path
[17:54] <cory_fu> bah.  And here I though it would be easy
[17:54] <icey> yeah, I'm pokling around right now
[17:55] <icey> I'll make a PR if I can get it figured out :)
[17:55] <cory_fu> icey: Can the Makefile do: @.tox/py*/bin/flake8 $(wildcard hooks reactive lib unit_tests tests)
[17:55] <jamespage> thedac, apparmor looks good to me but needs a rebase....
[17:56] <thedac> jamespage: the charmhelpers mp needs a rebase?
[17:56] <jamespage> thedac, yeah - its trivial - happy to +1 landing and let you deal with that...
[17:56] <thedac> jamespage: great, will do
[17:58] <icey> nope cory_fu
[17:58] <icey> /bin/sh: 1: tox/py*/bin/flake8: not found
[17:58] <cory_fu> icey: Irksome
[17:58] <icey> yeah cory_fu
[17:58] <cory_fu> icey: I'm going to close my PR, then, and await yours
[17:58] <icey> ack
[17:59] <lazy|sprint> cory_fu intereting, i see the 'trusty/foo' in there, is that how we reference layers now using series/layer?
[18:02] <cory_fu> lazy|sprint: I think that's just a hacky work-around for the test
[18:03] <cory_fu> I think that mysql thing was from another test and co-opted to be used as a "layer"
[18:05] <Prabakaran> Hello Team, After bootstraping the juju environment in the juju 2.0 installation i was trying to create a test model using the command juju create-model test.  But this command takes so much of time and it doesnt show any progress. Please advise on this.
[18:07] <mbruzek> Prabakaran: what kind of controller are you using?
[18:07] <icey> haha cory_fu .tox/py3*/bin doesn't work, but PATH=$$PATH:`pwd`/.tox/py34/bin:`pwd`/.tox/py35/bin flake8 $(wildcard hooks reactive lib unit_tests tests) does
[18:07] <icey> working on the PR now
[18:08] <Prabakaran> i'm using local.lxd-test
[18:08] <mbruzek> Prabakaran: I wrestled with lxd today. Can you give me a juju version?
[18:10] <Prabakaran> juju version : 2.0-beta3-wily-amd64
[18:10] <mbruzek> OK that is the latest one.
[18:11] <jamespage> gnuoy, did you see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299205/ ?
[18:12] <Prabakaran> i just observed one thing.. if i run juju list-controllers command it doesnt show any server ip in the table of data..
[18:13] <Prabakaran> is this anyway related to juju bootstrap?
[18:13] <mbruzek> hrmm yes.
[18:14] <mbruzek> Prabakaran: can you run `juju kill-controller lxd-test` ?
[18:14] <mbruzek> Prabakaran: lets start over
[18:14] <Prabakaran> k
[18:14] <mbruzek> Prabakaran: I have an ip address in my list-controllers output
[18:15] <Prabakaran> i just destroyed lxd-test
[18:16] <mbruzek> Prabakaran: OK now what is the contents of ~/.local/share/juju/  use pastebin if it is huge
[18:16] <Prabakaran> k
[18:16] <mbruzek> ls -al ~/.local/share/juju
[18:17] <icey> cory_fu: https://github.com/juju-solutions/layer-basic/pull/53
[18:17] <icey> I'm about to test it on a trusty container
[18:18] <Prabakaran> accounts.yaml, bootstrap-config.yaml, controllers.yaml, current-controller, models.yaml and ssh
[18:18] <mbruzek> Prabakaran: ok many of the yaml files should be empty or with controllers: {} please remove the .yaml files in that directory
[18:20] <Prabakaran> sorry, should i remove all *.yaml file in this dir?
[18:20] <mbruzek> Prabakaran: Yes and also current-controller
[18:21] <mbruzek> Prabakaran: save them off if they are not empty, just don't have them in this directory, trying to reset
[18:21] <Prabakaran> k
[18:22] <mbruzek> Prabakaran: After that is done run the bootstrap command out of https://jujucharms.com/docs/devel/config-LXD
[18:24] <Prabakaran> in this same dir i am able to see ssh dir also. should i remove this also ?
[18:24] <mbruzek> no ssh is fine
[18:25] <Prabakaran> k
[18:28] <jamespage> beisner, some feedback on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301183
[18:30] <mbruzek> Prabakaran: let me know if that bootstrap works OK, then you should be able to create a model
[18:31] <Prabakaran> ya k .. bootstrap is now attempting to connectiing to some ip
[18:31] <mbruzek> OK
[18:31] <Prabakaran> i will let you know on this chat
[18:39] <icey> cory_fu: the version of tox in trusty (python-tox) is too old to recognize py35, we can install from pip and it works though: https://github.com/juju-solutions/layer-basic/pull/53
[18:44] <beisner> jamespage, how would you feel about having no smt knob, and jdtrt when arch matches?
[18:44] <Prabakaran> hi mbruzek, bootstrap failed staing below error " ERROR failed to bootstrap model: waited for 10m0s without being able to connect: ssh: connect to host <IP_ADDRESS> port 22: connection refused" please advise
[18:44] <jamespage> beisner, what does an integer do?
[18:44] <beisner> jamespage, nothing in our use case afaik.
[18:45] <jamespage> beisner, do we always want smt on?
[18:45] <beisner> jamespage, off
[18:45] <jamespage> beisner, if the only real value is on for ppc64el then yes, drop the config option and turn it off automatically...
[18:46] <jamespage> on/off in that sentence
[18:46] <beisner> jamespage, so if arch is ppc64el, smt off.  otherwise ignore.
[18:46] <beisner> that's really all we've done manually
[18:47] <jamespage> beisner, go for it
[18:48] <beisner> jamespage, right on, thx
[18:49] <mbruzek> Prabakaran: can you give me the `lxc version`
[18:49] <jamespage> coreycb, oh dear - https://code.launchpad.net/~corey.bryant/charm-helpers/liberty810/+merge/290908
[18:50] <jamespage> sorry
[18:50] <jamespage> missed that...
[18:50] <coreycb> jamespage, oh np, that's what testing is for
[18:50] <jamespage> coreycb, indeed
[18:51] <Prabakaran> lxc version is : 2.0.0.rc8
[18:54] <mbruzek> Prabakaran: OK lets see if LXD/LXC is working for you
[18:54] <Prabakaran> k
[18:54] <mbruzek> Prabakaran: please run this command `lxc launch ubuntu:16.04`
[18:55] <Prabakaran> i ran this command - it success
[18:57] <Prabakaran> generated client certificate and started its service
[18:58] <c0s> cory_fu: I have a working single node Ignite cluster on top of Juju hadoop installation ;)
[18:59] <magicaltrout> a cluster of 1! \o/
[18:59] <c0s> there is a couple of silly things to do with one of the scripts in the ignite, but it could be there bug (I am mostly sure). And I have figured out what was wrong with the hadoop client, so cli works fine as well
[18:59] <mbruzek> Prabakaran: but yet your bootstrap command fails?
[18:59] <c0s> yeah magicaltrout - it's called pseudo-distributed ;)
[19:00] <cory_fu> c0s: Awesome.  It seems like it was a fair bit of work to get that working, though?
[19:00] <mbruzek> Prabakaran: Can you also try 14.04  to see if that works?
[19:01] <Prabakaran> K
[19:01] <c0s> cory_fu: not so much - more like a silly debugging in one place ;(
[19:02] <c0s> so at this point, we can make a decision if we want to add a simple charm to install ignite hadoop accelerator from Bigtop packages and do some trivial configuration (so it is available in the current bundles); or to develop a new set of charms for bigtop
[19:02] <c0s> up to you guys.
[19:02] <c0s> arosales: cory_fu kwmonroe I will go ahead and write some recommendations for your team to decide
[19:12] <c0s> beautiful (running yarn pi 50 50)
[19:12] <c0s> on ignite                  on yarn
[19:12] <c0s> real    0m10.967s     real    1m6.222s
[19:12] <c0s> user    0m4.787s      user    0m6.247s
[19:12] <c0s> sys     0m0.229s      sys     0m0.288s
[19:12] <D4RKS1D3> Hi Everyone, someone  can help me?, I have some issues when I change my enviorment to openstack
[19:16] <coreycb> beisner, think you could land this massive change? https://code.launchpad.net/~corey.bryant/charm-helpers/liberty810/+merge/290908
[19:20] <Prabakaran> i tried 14.04 also.. it is working fine
[19:20]  * arosales reads backscroll
[19:21] <beisner> coreycb, i can this eve.  got a kiddo dr appt shortly.
[19:21] <arosales> c0s: first gret to hear :-)
[19:21] <arosales> c0s: looking forward to hearing what your recommendations may be
[19:22] <coreycb> beisner, np, maybe thedac can land it
[19:25] <c0s> arosales: sure, working on a doc now
[19:25] <arosales> c0s: thanks
[19:26] <c0s> no worries ;)
[19:51] <terje> hi, I'm trying to bootstrap juju on my private openstack cloud, and I'm getting the following: http://pastebin.com/vaa5MPU1
[19:51] <terje> hoping someone can tell me what I'm doing wrong.
[19:59] <jcastro_> arosales, https://jujucharms.com/wiki-simple/bundle/0
[20:02] <thedac> coreycb: what do you need me to look at?
[20:02] <coreycb> thedac, hey, just looking for this to get landed: https://code.launchpad.net/~corey.bryant/charm-helpers/liberty810/+merge/290908
[20:03] <thedac> coreycb: ok, is the 8.1 version live now?
[20:04] <coreycb> thedac, yes, it's in trusty-liberty-proposed
[20:04] <coreycb> thedac, I have a keystone review on gerritt
[20:05] <thedac> coreycb: ok, I'll land this CH MP
[20:05] <coreycb> thedac, thanks
[20:06] <thedac> coreycb: done
[20:08] <jcastro_> urulama__, any idea on this one?
[20:08] <jcastro_> charm set bundle/wiki-simple bugs-url=https://github.com/juju-solutions/wiki-simple/issues
[20:08] <jcastro_> ERROR cannot update the set arguments provided: unauthorized: access denied for user "jorge"
[20:09] <jcastro_> that should work right?
[20:45] <marcoceppi> jcastro_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1563067
[20:45] <mup> Bug #1563067: deploying from charmstore fails on lxd provider in a restricted network <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1563067>
[20:45] <jcastro_> heya cherylj
[20:46] <jcastro_> can we get this bug on your list? ^^^
[20:46] <cherylj> jcastro_: it's already there!
[20:46] <cherylj> jcastro_:  did you see the comments from today?
[20:47] <cherylj> jcastro_:  the bug that it's dup'ed to (bug 1556207) should also address the issue where updating proxy information isn't picked up by running jujuds
[20:47] <mup> Bug #1556207: 1.25.4: Units attempt to go through the proxy to download charm from state server <landscape> <juju-core:In Progress by dooferlad> <juju-core 1.25:Fix Committed by dooferlad> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1556207>
[20:47] <jcastro_> ok, so "juju needs to work behind proxy" is basically on the radar already
[20:48] <cherylj> yeah
[21:01] <terje> in the environments.yaml file, I'd like to specify a different s3 user than what's being used for 'username'
[21:08] <marcoceppi> arosales: ^^ fyi
[22:17]  * arosales reads back scroll
[22:24] <arosales> marcoceppi: thanks for fyi,
[22:25] <arosales> cherylj: thanks for the info on bug 1563067
[22:25] <mup> Bug #1563067: deploying from charmstore fails on lxd provider in a restricted network <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1563067>
[22:35] <Saviq> hey all, in new juju gui (2.1.1) on firefox all the input fields seem to get input back-to-front... i.e. if I type "foo", I get "oof", is that a known issue?
[22:36] <Saviq> the caret seems to be stuck to the beginning of the field
[22:37] <magicaltrout> is it april 1st?
[23:03] <LiftedKilt> Saviq: haha I've gotten really good at typing in reverse
[23:03] <Saviq> LiftedKilt, yeah learning fast here, too ;P
[23:04] <Saviq> "P; oot , ereh tsaf gninrael haey ,tliKdetfiL" ,yas I dluohs ro
[23:05] <LiftedKilt> Saviq: I'm officially impressed


[10:39] <sladen> johnlittle: thanks for the spelling fixes
[10:41] <Burgundavia> sladen: you want to help edit UWN?
[10:41] <Burgundavia> we are gobby-ing it up
[10:42] <sladen> Burgundavia: go on then, let me know when you have an IP
[10:42] <Burgundavia> port 6522 on <IP_ADDRESS>


[00:00] <well> olá pessoal
[00:01] <well> esse IRC é para brasileiros
[00:03] <vadrao> Hi all, I installed ubuntu to try it out and now want to remove it completely. When I try and uninstall ubuntu-desktop from Kpackagekit it does not remove the genome applications. can any one let me know how to remove gnome completely
[00:04] <DavidTalbot> u wanna remove gnome or the complete linux installation?
[00:04] <genii-around> !purekde
[00:04] <vadrao> just gnome.. I want to keep my kubuntu installation'
[00:04] <Linkmaster> ^Right there, best thing in the world
[00:05]  * genii-around slides Linkmaster a coffee
[00:05] <Linkmaster> :D
[00:05] <well> alguêm fal aportugus ???
[00:06] <well> eu precido de uma ajuda¹
[00:06] <well> !
[00:06] <well> i need help
[00:07] <ArchangelSe7en> well with what exactly ?
[00:07] <vadrao> ubottu: There is no Natty guide in that link.. and using apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop does not solve my problem..
[00:08] <Linkmaster> vadrao: follow that guide, it covers all *buntu stuff
[00:09] <well> olá pessoal preciso d euma ajuda
[00:09] <maco> !br | well
[00:11] <iconmefisto> vadrao: for natty: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[00:11] <genii-around> vadrao: Just follow the Hardy instructions for kde4 :)
[00:12] <genii-around> Or iconmefisto's suggestion...
[00:14] <vadrao> iconmefisto: Thanks a lot. That is what I was looking for..
[01:08] <mick-mick> hola amigos
[01:09] <mick-mick> hi Epyon
[01:10] <mick-mick> who had ever used LTSP?
[01:11] <mick-mick> Linux Terminal Server
[01:18] <TheBuntu> Anyone have any idea why rekonq and arora display Facebook better then firefox ?
[01:21] <Linkmaster> TheBuntu: because FF is becoming quite a bloated and heavy web browser. Rekonq is fast and light, I don't use arora though I've heard about it, and since its light it loads lighter pages quickly. FF chugs along on any page, and here on Linux at least, I've noticed that Rekonq is optimium for everything except heavy flash
[01:23] <TheBuntu> Linkmaster: ok that makes sence.... i dont care for arora... but is there anything light that is better then rekonq
[01:47] <dineshnn> any body have idea about the pdf editor
[01:47] <dineshnn> i need to edit a pdf file
[01:52] <dineshnn> advise to reset the ubuntu as original settings
[02:55] <ptjwasup> check check
[03:42] <OerHeks> hi, my GPU fan is running fullspeed, and Nvidia settings show me it is speed 0 > http://picpaste.com/pics/fan-sKbpFbMa.1308710443.png
[03:42] <OerHeks> how do i enable the auto speed function ?
[05:15] <RazupX> hi , there is itunes for kubuntu ?
[05:19] <Phosphenes> Hi, is there any way I can install kde3 on 11.04?
[05:20] <Linkmaster> Phosphenes: I don't think so..I believe KDE3 died out since 9.10. I believe
[05:21] <Phosphenes> Ok, thanks
[05:24] <Linkmaster> Phosphenes: do try and give KDE4 a try though. I personally love it, and its very well supported. The more stable version is 4.5 which is on Lucid I believe, if not its 4.4 on Lucid. 4.6 is the latest stable for Natty, though with project-neon you can get 4.7
[05:27] <Phosphenes> I do have KDE4 installed, but its quite slow on my netbook even with all the graphical effects disabled so I wanted to try downgrading it
[05:30] <Linkmaster> Phosphenes: you using Natty? because there are known power issues with the kernel at the moment. I noticed a slight slowdown as well on my 992mb card, especially with blur
[05:30] <Phosphenes> I am using Natty right now, but I originally had Maverick when I first installed. I was hoping that upgrading it would be faster but it's about the same
[05:31] <Phosphenes> I'm using the lubuntu desktop right now because it's a lot faster, but it's a bit simpler than I would like.
[05:32] <Linkmaster> Personally, Maverick is faster on my computer. My experience, though I've tweaked Natty to work beautifully. It especially helps if you disable strigi and nepomuk
[05:34] <Phosphenes> How do I disable them? Do I just sudo apt-get remove them?
[05:34] <Linkmaster> I believe that will destroy your desktop :P
[05:34] <Phosphenes> oh, that wouldn't be good
[05:34] <Linkmaster> Hmm, I used to remember, hold on...
[05:34] <Phosphenes> What are they for?
[05:35] <Linkmaster> file indexing
[05:35] <Phosphenes> Wouldn't I need them then?
[05:36] <Linkmaster> It depends on things; I've personally never disabled them, though a lot of people say when they disable them, they get under 200 megs of RAM usage upon reboot. I wouldn't know though
[05:37] <Phosphenes> I see, well I think I can probably survive on this lubuntu desktop for now. I plan on getting a newer netbook sometime this year anyway.
[05:37] <Linkmaster> Hmm, that sounds good. Perhaps try lucid though, if I'm correct it uses a LOT less power than Maverick and Natty
[05:38] <Phosphenes> Ok, thanks for the help
[05:39] <Linkmaster> anytime
[05:51] <tml1218> hello all, i have done my searching and i cant find a surefire way to backup my drive into an iso image and also restore it.. could someone help?
[05:54] <valorie> you can use DD to make a mirror
[05:54] <valorie> but an ISO?
[05:56] <valorie> clonezilla might do what you want
[05:56] <valorie> most people just use rsync, imo
[06:48] <wrek-gar> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-25676.html <- need help with step 3 (can't find directory hotplug)
[06:51] <wrek-gar> anyone here?
[06:54] <valorie> looking
[06:55] <valorie> what happened when you did cd /etc/hotplug/usb
[06:55] <valorie> oh, can't find dir
[06:58] <tkleader> Hey there. I just installed a fresh copy of Kubuntu 11.04
[06:59] <tkleader> And that wasn't supposed to send yet... It's not showing any wireless networks for some reason, and rfkill list doesn't show wlan0
[06:59] <tkleader> I had a similar problem on Opensuse 11.4 but it was on a different laptop and rfkill unblock wifi fixed it
[07:00] <tkleader> Actually it does show Wifi, it just doesn't show any networks
[07:07] <tkleader> How can I find out what wireless card is inside my laptop?
[07:09] <susundberg> tinlys: try lspci
[07:09] <susundberg> tkleader that was not yo tinlys, sorry
[07:10] <LINKSWORD2> lol! I log in and it asks me to identify, and then it says I'm already logged in....
[07:10] <tinlys> lspc?
[07:11] <LINKSWORD2> lol
[07:12] <tinlys> |o| ofcours
[07:14] <LINKSWORD2> I've got a weird thing going on. I think I need a display driver, but I'm not certain about it...
[07:14] <LINKSWORD2> When I start up my system and Kubuntu begins to start up, I get a message on a black screen that says; "Cannot Display This Video Mode"
[07:14] <LINKSWORD2> After a couple moments, the system re-adjusts, presumably to a different Video Mode and I'm able to log in.
[07:15] <LINKSWORD2> DarkwingDuck: I hope you're awake. lol
[07:16] <LINKSWORD2> Linkmaster: Hello. Did you get your question about Helvetica or any of its variants answered since last time?
[07:18] <valorie> linkmaster said in another channel he was going to bed a few mins ago
[07:19] <LINKSWORD2> I don't think users should lurk around inactively....
[07:19] <LINKSWORD2> If they're away, the should LOG OFF!!!!
[07:19] <valorie> lol
[07:19] <valorie> he did!
[07:19] <LINKSWORD2> Know what I mean?
[07:19] <valorie> I think
[07:19] <LINKSWORD2> .... He's still in the user list.
[07:19] <valorie> otoh, I'm here 24/7
[07:20] <valorie> on a bouncer
[07:20] <valorie> but I set myself away, usually
[07:20] <valorie> wanna fight about it?
[07:20] <valorie> :-)
[07:20] <LINKSWORD2> I'd win. :P
[07:21] <LINKSWORD2> Anyway... Forget about that. Perhaps you could help with the issue in my original post? (Display driver issue, possibly.)
[07:24] <valorie> well, you can try jockey-kde if you haven't already
[07:24] <valorie> I don't know much about that stuff
[07:24] <LINKSWORD2> ... jockey-kde?
[07:24] <LINKSWORD2> Uh.... What?
[07:25] <valorie> alt f2
[07:25] <valorie> and then
[07:25] <valorie> jockey-kde
[07:27] <LINKSWORD2> "No proprietary drivers are in use on this system."
[07:28] <valorie> hmmm
[07:28] <LINKSWORD2> I think it needs a proprietary driver, however....
[07:28] <valorie> I hope someone else wanders in who knows more than me then
[07:28] <valorie> it should offer the correct one
[07:30] <tinlys> yours start grub is ok?
[07:30] <LINKSWORD2> This is the only OS on my system. No need to install GRUB.
[07:31] <valorie> grub is not just for OSs
[07:31] <tinlys> ja :-)
[07:31] <valorie> also for kernels
[07:31] <LINKSWORD2> Er......
[07:31] <valorie> you need grub2
[07:32] <valorie> otherwise, how do you change to safe mode?
[07:32] <valorie> etc.
[07:32] <valorie> !grub2
[07:33] <valorie> it's the boot manager for everything you might need to boot into
[07:33] <tkleader> Hey there. I was hoping that I could get some help with my laptops wireless in Kubuntu..?
[07:33] <valorie> !wireless
[07:33] <valorie> two for two!
[07:38] <tkleader> Thanks Valorie. I've made some headway, but I'm still new-ish to Linux. It's saying something about NDISwrapper and I have no idea what it is
[07:39] <valorie> bleah
[07:40] <tkleader> Lol thats not response worries me
[07:40] <valorie> that is some sort of wrapper around the blob
[07:40] <valorie> gosh
[07:40] <tkleader> Gah
[07:40] <valorie> dunno
[07:40] <tkleader> Great that sounds confusing :S
[07:41] <tkleader> I was just running Linux Mint and the wireless worked, but I like KDE better.
[07:46] <tkleader> Fixed it!
[07:46] <tkleader> Thanks for getting me a headstart Valorie :D
[07:52] <valorie> super!
[07:55] <tkleader_> Sooper Dooper
[08:10] <flashdeluxe> hi! i got the problem that if i start a program, e.g. firefox it is startet in the background and i have to right-klick on the minimized window shown on the taskbar to check the box "always in foreground". Does anybody know this issue and can tell me how to get rid of it? I am using kde and  the problem occured after an dist-upgrade.
[08:14] <LINKSWORD2> flashdeluxe: Can you explain more?
[08:14] <LINKSWORD2> Wait a second....
[08:14] <flashdeluxe> LINKSWORD2 What do you want to know :)
[08:14] <LINKSWORD2> If you start a program, i.e. Firefox, it always starts in the background?
[08:15] <flashdeluxe> yes
[08:16] <LINKSWORD2> Ok, first of all, do you have any applets running in the background?
[08:16] <LINKSWORD2> Something like a game, etc.
[08:16] <flashdeluxe> no nothing, it happens after a reboot when nothing is started, too
[08:17] <LINKSWORD2> Hmm....
[08:17] <LINKSWORD2> So at this point, you have your system on its default config, or as close to it as possible?
[08:18] <LINKSWORD2> valorie, do you know the command for creating a system event log?
[08:19] <flashdeluxe> LINKSWORLD2: No, i reinstalled kde but i guess that my config wasn`t replaced
[08:20] <LINKSWORD2> How bizarre.
[08:21] <LINKSWORD2> Which OS did you install, and what did you upgrade to?
[08:22] <LINKSWORD2> No way.... Kori?
[08:22] <flashdeluxe> yeah :/ how can i completely reinstall kde? with new configs? I upgraded from maverick to natty
[08:23] <koribori> yeah?
[08:23] <LINKSWORD2> I think you might know me, koribori...
[08:23] <LINKSWORD2> Maverick is 10.10, correct?
[08:23] <LINKSWORD2> !maverick
[08:24] <LINKSWORD2> OK, yeah.
[08:24] <LINKSWORD2> flashdeluxe: Do you have anything on your harddrive that you NEED to save?
[08:25] <koribori> noo.... i dont know you >.<
[08:25] <flashdeluxe> LINKSWORD2 almost everything? :D
[08:25] <LINKSWORD2> .... Ouch. lol
[08:26] <flashdeluxe> LINKSWORD2 why did you ask? what do you suggest?
[08:26] <LINKSWORD2> I'm known for using USB external harddrives, and a remote backup server.
[08:27] <LINKSWORD2> !clonezilla
[08:27] <LINKSWORD2> D'oh@
[08:28] <LINKSWORD2> flashdeluxe: I would back up your important files often.
[08:28] <valorie> to get new configs, just rename/move your .kde file
[08:28] <valorie> I believe a sys event log is always kept
[08:29] <LINKSWORD2> You have two possibilities.... Your Maverick OS didn't install 100% correctly, or in upgrading to Natty, something goofed.
[08:29] <valorie> I don't think you have to create it
[08:29] <flashdeluxe> ok so could i purge kde, remove .kde and install kde?
[08:30] <LINKSWORD2> You could.
[08:31] <LINKSWORD2> If you have your documents, etc. saved on a separate harddrive, that can save you a LOT of headache.
[08:31] <flashdeluxe> an which package/s do i have to purge?
[08:32] <LINKSWORD2> I don't keep track of individual packages, really.
[08:32] <flashdeluxe> LINKSWORD2: The only thing which could happen is that the gui doesn`t start anymore, right?
[08:33] <LINKSWORD2> If I can't fix a problem and it looks drastic, I unplug my backup harddrive and wipe the main out with a complete re-install.
[08:34] <LINKSWORD2> Honestly, I'm a guy that's been using Windows since the Dark Ages, and I put Linux on an old machine to experiment with....
[08:34] <wildgoose> flashdeluxe, Maybe try another WM first so you can keep one working.
[08:34] <valorie> you don't need to purge KDE!
[08:34] <valorie> just move the .kde file
[08:34] <LINKSWORD2> Yeah, I didn't see that part. :/
[08:35]  * LINKSWORD2 bashful blush
[08:35] <valorie> it won't do any harm, but that's a lot of removing replacing for nothing
[08:35] <flashdeluxe> valorie: ok an if i move it and restart, will a new one be created?
[08:35] <valorie> yes
[08:35] <flashdeluxe> nice
[08:35] <valorie> you'll have to re-do your configs
[08:35] <valorie> but you can always move back parts from the old file
[08:36] <valorie> when it screws up, you know you don't want it
[08:36] <LINKSWORD2> I've decided that I love linux-based tool software. (GParted being a PRIME example.)
[08:36] <valorie> we have Kparted, I think
[08:36] <valorie> which will be the same but prettier
[08:36] <valorie> probably
[08:37] <LINKSWORD2> We still have GParted...
[08:38] <valorie> sure
[08:38] <valorie> oh, we have partitionmanager
[08:38] <LINKSWORD2> And after a successful clone job, I like Clonezilla quite well, also.
[08:39] <LINKSWORD2> flashdeluxe: Forget about me. It's 3 AM and I'm not sure if I know what I'm saying....
[08:42] <LINKSWORD2> And in regards to that fact... I need to get some sleep....
[09:11] <Spaz_Dynamic> There is a settings/config file for flash in home, correct? What is this file called so that I can delete it? I keep having problems arrise with flash every now and again and the easiest fix seems to be deleting this file. (uninstalling and reinstalling flash doesn't help)
[09:12] <FlashDeluxe> valorie : Worked for me =)
[09:15] <Spaz_Dynamic> unrelated to previous question: Is there a way I can install the 32bit python 2.6 package on my 64bit kubuntu? I have some scripts or whathaveyou that don't run right with 64bit py2.6.
[09:16] <valorie> \o/
[09:17] <valorie> flash in ff?
[09:17] <Spaz_Dynamic> firefox, chromium, and konqueror
[09:17] <Spaz_Dynamic> it stops functioning in all of them
[09:17] <valorie> try installing the add-on flash-aid
[09:17] <valorie> the updates keep breaking stuff indeed
[09:17] <Spaz_Dynamic> and if ir recall correctly, chromium has flash built in...
[09:18] <Spaz_Dynamic> if I*
[09:18] <FlashDeluxe> valorie: thanks =)
[09:18] <FlashDeluxe> i have one more issue: If i configure my monitors in the system settings and save it as default, it doesn`t take effect after reboot :(
[09:18] <valorie> but flash-aid seems to keep them straight
[09:18] <valorie> hmmm
[09:18] <valorie> !monitor
[09:18] <valorie> was hoping
[09:18] <Spaz_Dynamic> valorie: Yeah, there was an update, and the last time or two it broke it, so this time I decided to hold off on updating it... it stopped working a few days later (today) anyway
[09:19] <wildgoose> FlashDeluxe, https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=261285
[09:24] <Spaz_Dynamic> switched to gnash... lets see if it works well. So far websites aren't giving me an error saying I don't have flash installed so that's good at least.
[09:29] <FlashDeluxe> wildgoose: thx
[09:29] <wildgoose> FlashDeluxe, Hope it works for you.
[09:32] <FlashDeluxe> wildgoose: it doesn`t face the problem itsef, but its a nice workaround :)
[09:37] <Visago> hello?
[09:38] <tinlys> eloo!
[09:38] <Spaz_Dynamic> sadly, gnash wasn't working either. =\
[09:42] <valorie> !flash
[09:42] <valorie> but really, flash-aid will help
[09:44] <Spaz_Dynamic> will flash-aid make flash work for other programs?
[09:44] <valorie> it should, yes
[09:44] <susundberg> it might help .. i tried and mine fullscreen flash is not working still
[09:44] <valorie> they all use the same plugin
[09:45] <Spaz_Dynamic> even though it;s firefox plug in, it would make chromium and konqueror work?
[09:49] <valorie> should, yes
[09:50] <valorie> flash was working for me in chromium
[09:50] <valorie> don't use it much thought
[10:00] <olskolirc> how do I switch from panel to cairo-dock in kubuntu natty please?
[10:03] <valorie> what's cairo-dock?
[10:03] <valorie> I've heard of it, but don't know what it is
[10:03] <Spaz_Dynamic> valorie: Ah, ok, I get it now. Even though flash-aid is a plug-in for firefox, it affects your whole system, changing files as needed to make it work. Thank you.
[10:03] <valorie> cool
[10:03] <valorie> glad that worked for you
[10:03] <Spaz_Dynamic> Me too. ;)
[10:03] <valorie> olskolirc: you don't need to add a panel
[10:03] <valorie> it's just another widget
[10:04] <valorie> cairo-dock sounds gnomish, but you can use gnome stuff in Kubuntu if you prefer it
[10:05] <olskolirc> do we have our own cairo dock valorie?
[10:05] <valorie> !cairo-dock
[10:05] <valorie> [02:05] <valorie> info cairo-dock
[10:05] <valorie> [10:06] <valorie> so install the way you prefer, apt-get or kpk, muon, etc.
[10:06] <valorie> right-click on the panel and remove this panel
[10:06] <valorie> viola!
[10:12] <olskolirc> kpk muon what is that valorie?
[10:12] <olskolirc> how do I start cairo dock?
[10:14] <valorie> oops, kpackagekit, or muon, synaptic
[10:14] <valorie> any of the guis
[10:14] <valorie> you might try alt f2, cairo-dock
[10:35] <kil> Hello evry body..
[10:35] <kil> can you hel me?
[10:35] <kil> help*
[10:36] <tinlys> what is problem?
[10:36] <kil> hellow???
[10:37] <valorie> !ask | kil
[10:37] <kil> ok. me need programm, for recording discs?
[10:37] <kil> advice*
[10:38] <kil> alternativ ISO
[10:38] <valorie> like: burning cds/dvds?
[10:38] <kil> all
[10:38] <valorie> k3b is awesome for that
[10:38] <valorie> .iso too
[10:39] <valorie> you can use ktorrent to get the iso
[10:39] <valorie> too
[10:39] <kil> iso have on linux?
[10:39] <valorie> yes
[10:39] <kil> cool=)
[10:39] <kil> i don't know..
[10:40] <valorie> sudo apt-get install k3b
[10:40] <valorie> will do it
[10:40] <kil> and k3d иуееук,
[10:40] <kil> and k3d better?
[10:41] <valorie> it is excellent, yes
[10:41] <valorie> !ru
[10:41] <valorie> if you would rather
[10:41] <valorie> :-)
[10:41] <kil> =))ok.
[10:42] <kil> T Y
[10:48] <kil> sorry. Can be another issue?
[10:48] <cousin_mario> hello
[10:49] <kil> hi=)
[10:49] <cousin_mario> kde is crashing badly at login and I can't do a thing
[10:49] <cousin_mario> something (kwin I believe) crashes and decorations disappear
[10:49] <kil> but "neroLinux" is better k3d?
[10:49] <cousin_mario> kil: I don't like it
[10:50] <kil> why?
[10:51] <cousin_mario> it doesn't offer much more than k3b and I recall it being temperamental
[10:52] <cousin_mario> dunno if it makes up with video dvd authoring or something (assuming the linux version supports it)
[10:53] <kil> and TkDVD?
[10:53] <cousin_mario> not sure, never used
[10:53] <cousin_mario> what is it you need to do with it?
[10:53] <valorie> k3b is primo
[10:54] <valorie> he wants to burn an iso
[10:54] <valorie> it is the best
[10:54] <cousin_mario> he can use the command line for that:P
[10:54] <valorie> sure.....
[10:54] <valorie> well, I'm going to bed
[10:56] <kil> ie k3d better thann all?=)
[11:01] <cousin_mario> at the very least it's good for most stuff
[11:02] <cousin_mario> what would be the main use?
[11:02] <cousin_mario> http://i.imgur.com/OiFEs.jpg <- this is what I see right after login
[11:13] <mudassar> hello any body there ?
[11:13] <benonsoftware> Hi there
[11:13] <mudassar> can you help me in a problem
[11:13] <benonsoftware> What problem?
[11:14] <benonsoftware> You still there?
[11:14] <mudassar> I have this linux Linux neolith1 2.6.18-238.12.1.el5 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux, I want to call a function sched_getcpu, to get the core id where my program is running ...
[11:15] <mudassar> how can I link my program with glibc ?
[11:15] <mudassar> spent my yesterday on it, but could not achieve this :(
[11:15] <susundberg> Hi
[11:15] <susundberg> You get undefined symbol errors from linker?
[11:16] <mudassar> yes
[11:16] <benonsoftware> Have you seen http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/how-to-get-local-gcc-to-link-with-local-glibc-404087/for no2?
[11:16] <benonsoftware> and http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.tracing.lttng.devel/1121 for question no1?
[11:17] <susundberg> mudassar: weird, i got mine test program go compile fine without any libraries etc
[11:18] <mudassar> I don't know how to link actually let me see the links
[11:18] <benonsoftware> http://stackoverflow.com/q/491520/538613 Seen this too?
[11:18] <susundberg> mudassar: that is with "gcc -o silly silly.c"
[11:18] <mudassar> for your case, may be LD paths are already set
[11:18] <susundberg> mudassar: you could also paste the original error message in pastebin
[11:18] <mudassar> and secondly I am using icc
[11:18] <susundberg> well they are default yes
[11:18] <mudassar> ok
[11:18] <benonsoftware> Ok
[11:19] <susundberg> I am not sure if icc is compatible with gnu libc
[11:19] <mudassar> actually the path export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/glibc2/lib does not exist in my case, can you tell me where this library could be existing ?
[11:20] <susundberg> mudassar: if you know it is then it should work i guess
[11:20] <susundberg> mudassar: my library path seems to default to: LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.5.2/:/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.5.2/../../../:/lib/:/usr/lib/:/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/
[11:20] <mudassar> in my linux where could this glibc library file will be located ?
[11:21] <benonsoftware> What OS are you using again sorry? :)
[11:21] <mudassar> can you tell me the exact name of this library ?
[11:21] <mudassar> let me tell you again
[11:21] <susundberg> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libg.a
[11:21] <mudassar>  Linux neolith1 2.6.18-238.12.1.el5 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[11:21] <susundberg> dont know if thats the one though ..
[11:22] <mudassar> in my case this file is here .... /usr/lib/libg.a
[11:22] <mudassar> hmmm ok
[11:23] <mudassar> can I give -L two times like this -L/home/x_mudma/experiments/libs/gnugsl/lib -L/usr/lib
[11:23] <mudassar> ?
[11:24] <susundberg> Thats up to your compiler/linker, nothing to do with GNU/linux but with your intel compiler
[11:25] <susundberg> but with gcc, yes
[11:25] <mudassar> now it gives me incompatibility problems
[11:25] <mudassar> where is paste bin ?
[11:25] <susundberg> pastebin.com
[11:26] <susundberg> it might be that your compiler is not compatible with gcc-libraries ..
[11:26] <mudassar> http://pastebin.com/FTa1QKge
[11:27] <mudassar> but it works with other libraries like when I use math functions and other gnu libraries like
[11:27] <mudassar> I am using GNUGLS
[11:27] <benonsoftware> I don't know what the problem could be.
[11:27] <mudassar> GSL - GNU Scientific Library
[11:28] <mudassar> may be the same file can be existing somewhere else too ... that is meant for 64 bit
[11:28] <susundberg> are you sure that file ((usr/libg.a) is proper file? 64b and so-one?
[11:28] <susundberg> objdump to rescue
[11:29] <mudassar> because /lib and /lib64 folders are separate
[11:29] <susundberg> (try objdump -a <my file>.a
[11:29] <mudassar> let me check with /lib64, because libc.so also exists there
[11:29] <mudassar> ok
[11:30] <mudassar> dummy.o:     file format elf32-i386  rw-r--r-- 100/500    724 Apr 26 23:14 2011 dummy.o
[11:31] <mudassar> it says this
[11:31] <susundberg> oh i ment the library file
[11:31] <susundberg> you are trying to link 32b app?
[11:31] <susundberg> i guess .. :)
[11:31] <mudassar> no
[11:31] <mudassar> app is i guess 64 bit
[11:32] <susundberg> Since with 64b you should see "file format elf64-x86-64"
[11:32] <susundberg> (or at least i do)
[11:32] <mudassar> and another thing I did objdump for another libc.a file ....... it showd me like this
[11:32] <mudassar> yes like this
[11:33] <susundberg> So your compiler (intel) is doing 32b app and the library is 64bit -> not working
[11:34] <mudassar> how can see icc is 32bit or 64 bit
[11:34] <susundberg> it might be also that the glib is multilib (dont know more than the name on that sorry, cannot help) and the icc cannot handle multilib
[11:34] <bittin> updating my grandparents Kubuntu at the moment 255 updates in apt-get
[11:35] <susundberg> well if that dummy.o was produced with icc it shows that file is 32b
[11:35] <susundberg> i guess "-v" option usually also prints stuff
[11:35] <susundberg> but i have other things to do for now, be back later->
[11:37] <mudassar> ok thank you for your time
[11:39] <cousin_mario> bbl
[12:06] <hit> This is only a test.
[12:46] <sorush20> !fglrx
[13:17] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[13:44] <naddy> hi everyone, how do I find out the actual error message? http://wstaw.org/m/2011/06/22/plasma-desktophO2090.jpg
[14:35] <mudassar> hello there ?
[14:36] <mudassar> I want to call syscall(318) in c and compile it from icc... but the function returns -1
[15:11] <blip-> hi, I have a printer on my network connected to a Linux server and shared via SAMBA.  I can use this shared printer from my Windows system, but not from my Kubuntu machine.    I see the 'NAS'  entry under New Printer, and when I click on it, it hangs forever and doesn't expand to show me the printer..  http://postimage.org/image/2he18z58k/
[15:11] <blip-> any ideas what the problem could be ?
[15:20] <tobe> hi
[15:24] <Anubis> hi there
[15:25] <Anubis> is there a way to permanently remove akonadi and nepomuk
[15:42] <blip-> hi, I have a printer on my network connected to a Linux server and shared via SAMBA. I can use this shared printer from my Windows system, but not from my Kubuntu machine. I see the 'NAS' entry under New Printer, and when I click on it, it hangs forever and doesn't expand to show me the printer.. http://postimage.org/image/2he18z58k/
[15:42] <blip-> any ideas what the problem could be ?
[15:43] <Ratchetman> Phonon does not allow me to select my sound card on output device preference. I checked with Alsa and my card is supported for basic sound output. How can I add to list of outputs?
[15:49] <sizz> I cannot get Thunderbird to play any new mail sound (even default system sound), athough other system & application sounds are all working fine. Anyone else have this problem?
[16:00] <sorush20> how do I configure my xorg
[16:00] <sorush20> !xorg
[16:01] <DarthFrog> sorush20: X is configured via the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file.
[16:01] <DarthFrog> sorush20:  On a map, it would be labelled "Here Be Dragons!". :-)
[16:02] <sorush20> DarthFrog: no its not there the xorg.conf, what should i do? I need to setup fglrx
[16:02] <sorush20> !fxlrx
[16:03] <sorush20> !fglrx
[16:04] <DarthFrog> sorush20: I'm not sure what you're asking.  I have a Radeon 5770 card and use the fglrx drivers.  They're set up in xorg.conf.
[16:04] <sorush20> DarthFrog: the xorg.conf is not in that location.
[16:05] <DarthFrog> sorush20: I believe I used the command "sudo aticonfig -f initial" to have them set up.
[16:09] <sorush20> DarthFrog: I get the message no supported  adaptors detected
[16:10] <DarthFrog>  What video card do you have?
[16:12] <sorush20> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO] [1002:5960] (rev 01)
[16:12] <DarthFrog> That's an old card.
[16:14] <sorush20> What can I do?
[16:14] <DarthFrog> Use the ubuntu Radeon driver.
[16:15] <DarthFrog> Or get a newer card that is still supported by ATI.
[16:15] <sorush20> How do I stup the radeon driver
[16:15] <sorush20> I'm using kde and some of the eyecandy features are not showing
[16:15] <DarthFrog> It should have been done when you installed.
[16:16] <DarthFrog> The file, /var/log/Xorg.0.log, will tell you which driver is being used.
[16:16] <DarthFrog> Your card may not be capable of the eyecandy you're seeking.
[16:36] <sorush20> DarthFrog: I think you are wrong, I was able to before but not now.
[16:41] <maikiiiii> huhu
[16:42] <DarthFrog> sorush20: Which driver is Xorg using?
[16:42] <sorush20> its falling back to using non ati or radeon
[16:43] <DarthFrog> Are those drivers installed?
[16:44] <DarthFrog> dpkg --list | grep xserver   will tell you.
[16:44] <sorush20> http://pastebin.com/hdRFUS9x
[16:45] <sorush20> ati and radeon is installed but I wanted to use the fglrx if possible I've installed the fglrx packages but its not being used.
[16:46] <DarthFrog> sorush20: It's using the Radeon driver but dri is disabled as there is a kernel/driver mismatch.
[16:46] <DarthFrog> That's your issue.
[16:47] <har1994> sorush20: sorry for cuttingg in,Can't you compile for your distro
[16:47] <DarthFrog> try:  "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade", all on one line.
[16:48] <har1994> DarthFrog: we need a command like zypper dup as in opensuse
[16:48] <sorush20> har1994: I don't know if I can compile for my distor its been a long time since I did any compiling
[16:48] <sorush20> har1994: I've never compiled kernel..
[16:49] <har1994> sorush20:try looking for guides, there are many over there just google it.
[16:49] <sorush20> I have an amd rather than a i386, how do I instal l amd, its an amd64
[16:49] <DarthFrog> har1994:  I know nothing about that command, never heard of it before.  Mind you, SuSE 6 is the last version of SuSE that I've looked at. :-)
[16:49] <har1994> sorush20:i too have amd64 did check additional drivers in ubuntu
[16:50] <DarthFrog> sorush20: It's not your kernel that's the problem, it's the driver.  The kernel is too new for that driver.
[16:50] <har1994> DarthFrog:dup actually is distribution update...and it works as if os is freshly installed
[16:50] <sorush20> DarthFrog: what options do I have?
[16:50] <har1994> sorush20:can you tell me the kernek version
[16:51] <har1994> sorush20:i mean kernel
[16:51] <DarthFrog> har1994: Have a look at that pastebin link sorush20 put up of his Xorg.0.log file.
[16:52] <sorush20> Linux sorush2-desktop 2.6.38-10-generic #44-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jun 2 21:32:54 UTC 2011 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux
[16:52] <har1994> DarthFrog:Ok  will check it out.
[16:53] <DarthFrog> sorush20:  You're running a 32-bit version of the OS on a 64-bit CPU.
[16:53] <mold_> hey i have a question
[16:53] <mold_> can anyone help me setup my wifi connection outside of kde
[16:53] <DarthFrog> sorush20: That was a question, BTW, not a statement. Sorry.
[16:53] <sorush20> DarthFrog: yes but I always thought that should be the case?
[16:54] <sorush20> mold_: expand on that question please? What do you mean outside of kde do you mena gnome?
[16:54] <DarthFrog> sorush20: Well, you're having problems.  Personally, I'd run a 64 bit OS on my 64 bit CPU.
[16:55] <DarthFrog> mold_: At the command line?  "man wpa_supplicant" will give you the manual for that.
[16:55] <sorush20> DarthFrog: will I have any problems such as printer drivers or etc?
[16:55] <DarthFrog> sorush20:  You shouldn't have.  But that's no guarantee, of course.
[16:55] <mold_> well either it only sets it self up for when im in one of the enviroments
[16:56] <mold_> so say i wanna use a different window manager i wont have internet
[16:56] <sorush20> mold_: you should do unless your settings get messed up
[16:56] <mold_> im not sure how they would
[16:57] <DarthFrog> mold_:  Yeah, for that you need to set up wpa_supplicant manually.
[16:57] <mold_> alright you got a link that can help me out?
[16:57] <DarthFrog> It's not hard but can be somewhat involved.
[16:59] <DarthFrog> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man5/wpa_supplicant.conf.5.html
[17:00] <mold_> i just came back to linux i never had wireless back in the day
[17:28] <ubuntu____> O/   alguien que me ayude con un problem en arch?
[17:31] <Goliath> hey
[17:31] <Goliath> i have a problem
[17:33] <Goliath> i am booting kubuntu livecd, i removed the cd tried to launch k3b, got error saying couldnt find k3b, i reinserted the cd and the error persists. what should i do?
[17:39] <genii-around> Goliath: Probably to make an USB stick from the cd image with Startup Disk Creator, boot to that instead, then run k3b. Otherwise you get the chicken-egg problem of running k3b from the cd while trying to use the cd to burn with.
[17:40] <Goliath> genii-around: but k3b runs from ram right?
[17:41] <genii-around> Goliath: The livecd locks the cd drive
[17:42] <Goliath> genii-around: it doesnt lock it on my system
[17:44] <genii-around> Goliath: You can of course override it by hitting the physical button to bring out the tray, or by forcibly sudo eject /dev/cdrom0  or such.
[17:45] <genii-around> Likely dmesg has some complaints in it
[17:46] <Goliath> genii-around: if i eject it and insert it again
[17:46] <Goliath> is everything ok? or do i have to reboot
[17:46] <Goliath> and select livecd again
[17:47] <test_> hallo
[18:08] <Spaz_Dynamic> Is there a way I can install the 32bit python 2.6 package on my 64bit kubuntu? I have some scripts or whathaveyou that don't run right with 64bit py2.6.
[18:18] <genii-around> Spaz_Dynamic: There seems something about it here for 9.10 http://indefinitestudies.org/2010/02/08/how-to-build-32-bit-python-on-ubuntu-9-10-x86_64/    ... looks like they are assuming you already did something like apt-get source -o APT::Architecture "i386" python2.6        and then are in the directory
[18:22] <sorush20> hi, DarthFrog
[18:22] <sorush20> I'm still having the same problem. I have kubuntu amd64 installed but I'm unable to install fglrx as the driver for the graphics card.
[18:28] <genii-around> sorush20: I'm not currently using any systems with ATI cards, but when I did I found http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu to be extremely helpful
[19:19] <Spaz_Dynamic> genii-around: so, having some issues with that. I follow their directions and it still seems to be 64bit. also, where does the suggested apt-get command download that source package? (this may be why it isn't working right)
[19:19] <genii-around> Spaz_Dynamic: That apt-get command will put it in the directory from which you called it
[19:20] <Spaz_Dynamic> genii-around: Ah, ok
[19:24] <genii-around> Spaz_Dynamic: What says result of: file /opt/pym32/bin/python       ?
[19:27] <Spaz_Dynamic> ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.15, not stripped
[19:27] <genii-around> Hm, yes, it made a 64 bit
[19:28] <Spaz_Dynamic> yeah
[19:28] <Spaz_Dynamic> I heard that python fails to heed ./configure options due to automake or something. Don't remember where I saw that.
[19:31] <BluesKaj> well, wireless KB and mouse sub as a remote on my setup
[19:32] <BluesKaj> oops wrong chat
[19:45] <Spaz_Dynamic> genii-around: any ideas?
[19:47] <genii-around> Spaz_Dynamic: Sorry, fresh out
[19:47] <genii-around> Spaz_Dynamic: Although maybe some 32bit chroot
[19:50] <Spaz_Dynamic> genii-around: Yeah, thought about trying that
[19:56] <Spaz_Dynamic> genii-around: Actually, I thikn it might be a little easier if I just use a VM.
[20:46] <cousin_mario> hello
[20:47] <cousin_mario> will ff5 enter the stable repos or will it always be on PPA for natty?
[21:03] <sanek> Ребят помогите кто ни будь
[21:03] <sanek> срочно нужна помощь
[21:03] <cousin_mario> gesundheit!
[21:04] <sanek> hi al my kubuntu has problem
[21:04] <sanek> help me
[21:05] <sanek> soom body
[21:09] <sanek> who help my (((((
[22:05] <MajinSaiyan> My neighbor has a huge problem with his iphone 3g. I swear it's not stolen! The phone is disabled and says to connect to itunes, so itunes says that i need to enter the passcode before it can synch. However i can't enter the code because it doesn't give me the option. Is there a way to browse through the phone to extract certain files? I don't mind restoring it, but i want a few files before doing the restore.
[22:07] <MajinSaiyan> I am running Natty btw. Natty says that i need to enter the passcode on the device before i can mount it.
[23:02] <snikker> which program I use to synchronize data between desktop and notebok? (and vice versa)
[23:15] <jwash> has anyone seen the garbled vnc graphics like this pic? if yes, can you point to a fix?
[23:15] <jwash> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=dgjv43&s=4
[23:36] <iconmefisto> I'm considering upgrading kubuntu 10.10 to 11.04. any advice, comments, warnings about 11.04 vs 10.10?
[23:42] <Torch> the nvidia driver is horribly broken
[23:42] <Torch> as in cannot-use-will-crash-your-system-broken
[23:53] <Firefishe> I'm experimenting with running Natty in vitualbox. So far, it's just like native, with a small bit of lag, but it's trivial. My question is: Can I, somehow, run all my OS's on my computer as Type I Hypervisors, and, if so, how is this accomplished?
[23:59] <LINKSWORD2> Hello, Linkmaster