[00:30] <Roey> I have a Dell Inspiron 14z nv11 laptop from 2009-2012 time frame. I've just installed Covid 22.10 on it.  When I try to boot it, it says "Operating system not found".  How can I make my ship go?
[00:30] <Roey> Kubuntu 22.10 *
[00:32] <Roey> (yeah sorry bout that, am listening to a news report in the background)
[00:32] <Roey> anyway, how can I ascertain if the booting issue is due to bad MBR/GPE or something else?
[00:47] <tomreyn> Roey: disable intel rst in bios
[00:47] <arraybolt3> Roey: Check your drive boot order and enabled bootable devices, too.
[01:30] <Roey> tomreyn: I'm not sure this was even a setting like that available in bios
[01:30] <Roey> arraybolt3: the boot drive order has the ssd as first boot device, wich is what i wan
[01:30] <Roey> want*
[01:30] <arraybolt3> Roey: Hmm, do you know if this is a BIOS or a UEFI system?
[01:30] <Roey> BIOS
[01:31] <Roey> not UEFI.
[01:31] <Roey> it's too old to be uefi
[01:31] <Roey> there's no UEFI setting in BIOS at all
[01:31] <Roey> it's a dell inspiron 14z nv11, circa 2009-2012
[01:32] <arraybolt3> Hmm. OK, boot from the live USB, run "sudo fdisk -l | nc termbin.com 9999" and send the link that spits out. That should give us clues as to why it's not working.
[01:32] <arraybolt3> Also, did you try to install this standalone or dual-boot?
[01:32] <Roey> ok, I'll try that.
[01:32] <Roey> installed it standalone
[02:15] <Roey> hi all again
[02:15] <Roey> arraybolt3: so I've finally booted it and it's been booting from the DVD for like half an hour so far
[02:15] <Roey> maybe the dvd lens is dirty or something
[02:15] <Roey> gosh
[02:15] <Roey> anyway, so I'm at a knosole prompt now
[02:15] <Roey> lsblk
[02:16] <Roey> shows a partitioned /dev/sda
[02:16] <Roey> into four partitions
[02:23] <arraybolt3> Hmm. OK, boot from the live USB, run "sudo fdisk -l | nc termbin.com 9999" and send the link that spits out. That should give us clues as to why it's not working.
[02:23] <arraybolt3> (fdisk, not lsblk.)
[02:23] <Roey> arraybolt3: https://termbin.com/r5vy
[02:24] <arraybolt3> hmm... I see the bios boot partition, so this should work, but maybe GPT has confused it.
[02:24] <Roey> ok
[02:24] <Roey> there shouldn't be any EFI partition, right?
[02:24] <arraybolt3> I'd try reinstalling with manual partitioning, formatting the disk as MBR this time instead.
[02:24] <Roey> ok
[02:24] <Roey> hrm.
[02:24] <Roey> then I need to manually set up LVM encryption
[02:24] <arraybolt3> The EFI partition is made automatically even on BIOS systems confusingly.
[02:24] <Roey> that's why I chose full-disk + LVM + encryption
[02:25] <arraybolt3> Roey: No need for LVM for encryption to work if you're manual partitioning.
[02:25] <arraybolt3> Just make a LUKS-encrypted ext4 partition.
[02:25] <Roey> well
[02:25] <Roey> I want / + /boot + /home + swap  on all of it
[02:26] <Roey> arraybolt3: so how can I do that?
[02:26] <arraybolt3> Encrypt / and /home, put a swapfile on /, and leave /boot unencrypted?
[02:27] <Roey> swapfile I can do
[02:27] <Roey> /boot unencrypted though
[02:27] <Roey> hrm.
[02:27] <arraybolt3> That's what you get with LVM+encryption anyway.
[02:27] <Roey> I mean with the guided setup, /boot is encrypted too, right?
[02:27] <Roey> oh
[02:27] <Roey> ok
[02:27] <arraybolt3> You might be able to set /boot encrypted too, though I've not tried it with Kubuntu. I know it Just Works on Lubuntu, but Lubuntu uses a different installer.
[02:27] <Roey> ah
[02:27] <Roey> now
[02:28] <Roey> I /am/ installing stock 22.10
[02:28] <Roey> without any updates over the network
[02:28] <Roey> has this thing issue been fixed since october 2022?
[02:28] <arraybolt3> I don't think /boot being unencrypted is considered a bug.
[02:28] <Roey> ok
[02:28] <Roey> plus I wonder how much more effort this takes
[02:28] <arraybolt3> I don't know if it will fail if you try to encrypt /boot, I've never tried it on Kubuntu. It's worth a shot, and I would expect it to work.
[02:29] <Roey> ok
[02:29] <Roey> ewll if the default method doesn't encrypt /boot
[02:29] <Roey> then why should I do it myself
[02:29] <Roey> so how do I go about doing all this?
[02:29] <arraybolt3> Manual partitioning, MBR partition table, make a 4 GB /boot encrypted, then a <however big you want plus room for swap> root encrypted, then everything else /home encrypted, and install the bootloader to the main disk directly. Or you can make /boot unencrypted, your choice.
[02:30] <Roey> how would I install the bootloader to hte main disk directly, what, with grub you mean?
[02:30] <Roey> *to the main partition on the main disk
[02:32] <Roey> also, arraybolt3, so in taking your advice above, i'd be using a swap partition and not a swap file, why your switch in tactics?
[02:33] <arraybolt3> Roey: The way above is still with a swap file.
[02:33] <Roey> oh
[02:33] <arraybolt3> Also installing the bootloader to the main disk directly should be easy, just select whatever your main disk is (probably /dev/sda) in the "Boot loader location" box or whatever it's called.
[02:34] <arraybolt3> (With EFI I think you do things slightly differently but this isn't EFI.)
[02:34] <arraybolt3> Roey: The way above has you make a root partition with extra room so that you can fit a swapfile on the root partition. I mean you *could* store the swapfile in /home but that would be weird :P
[02:34] <Roey> soparition-wise: MBR | 4 GB /boot encrypted (ext4? btrfs?) | swap partition?, encrypted | / encrypted, btrfs? | /home encrypted, btrfs?
[02:35] <Roey> arraybolt3: oh ok
[02:35] <Roey> I thought you meant to make swap a separate partition
[02:35] <arraybolt3> I would avoid using btrfs on root if the swapfile is going there, that could be tricky.
[02:36] <Roey> maybe I'll just make a swap partition
[02:36] <Roey> thne.
[02:36] <Roey> but I'd like to put btrfs over a LUKS/lvm thing
[02:36] <Roey> yeah
[02:36] <lee> hello
[02:37] <Roey> o/
[02:37] <lee> i have a problem with my hardware (keyboard)
[02:37] <lee> button presses are hit or miss
[02:38] <Roey> also--
[02:38] <lee> sometimes numbers dont work
[02:38] <Roey> for some reason, arraybolt3, it doesn't appear to respond when I click "New Partition Table..."
[02:38] <Roey> or "Delete"
[02:38] <lee> i have to keep pressing the key(s)
[02:38] <Roey> or clicking on any of the checkboxes in the "Format?" column
[02:38] <Roey> arraybolt3: ^
[02:38] <arraybolt3> That's weird.
[02:40] <Roey> ok nevermind
[02:40] <Roey> I managed to delete them all
[02:40] <Roey> manually
[02:40] <Roey> by clicking on the partition entry and clicking "Delete"
[02:41] <Roey> lee: sorry for ignoring you, I'm just knee-deep in this installation
[02:41] <arraybolt3> lee: I don't think that can be resolved by Kubuntu, if your keyboard is requiring that you hit stuff multiple times, that sounds like you need a new keyboard.
[02:43] <Roey> how big a size for root, arraybolt3?
[02:43] <Roey> I've got a 1 TB ssd here.
[02:43] <Roey> 100GB?
[02:43] <Roey> 200GB?
[02:43] <Roey> and the rest for /home?
[02:43] <Roey> I'll use a swap file instead of a partition.
[02:44] <Roey> or maybei t doesn't matter since it's btrfs anyway
[02:44] <arraybolt3> Roey: I'd personally use between 64-128 GB for /root, but that's just me, if you use a lot of apps (especially big apps) you might need more.
[02:44] <arraybolt3> Er, not /root, but /.
[02:44] <Roey> *ahh* ok
[02:44] <arraybolt3> (There's actually a /root folder but that's a very differernt thing)
[02:44] <Roey> yeah old-school unix folks used to put /root on a separate partition
[02:45] <Roey> if I make a swapfile on a BTRFS filesystem on an SSD
[02:46] <Roey> will btrfs's COW muck things up?
[02:46] <arraybolt3> Possibly. When you try to "swapon" the file, it may say "swapfile has holes" and refuse to let it work.
[02:46] <arraybolt3> I think there's a way to make it work though.
[02:46] <Roey> eek.
[02:46] <Roey> ok
[02:46] <Roey> swap partition it is, then.
[02:46] <arraybolt3> Also, how many partitions are you about to have?
[02:47] <arraybolt3> If you're going to use more than 4, you'll need to make an "extended partition" and then make further "logical partitions" inside that one.
[02:47] <arraybolt3> (MBR only supports four primary partitions, or three primary and one extended. Then the extended one can hold as many logical partitions as you want.)
[02:47] <Roey> /boot | /swap | / | /home
[02:47] <arraybolt3> Ah, nice.
[02:47] <Roey> thanks.also, how do I set these up as encryptd?
[02:50] <arraybolt3> There should be an "Encrypt" checkbox when you go to make each partition, I believe.
[02:51] <Roey> so I have:  /boot - 8,  GB swap - 16 GB, / - 150 GB, /home - 825 GB or so
[02:51] <Roey> arraybolt3: I see no such option
[02:52] <arraybolt3> Tar, lemme look at the actual installer...
[02:52] <arraybolt3> (I'd be very surprised if Ubiquity, the installer used by Kubuntu, doesn't have this option...)
[02:53] <Roey> ok
[02:53] <Roey> and this is for 22.10
[02:53] <arraybolt3> OH wow. I got the installer to crash >_<
[02:54] <arraybolt3> Hold on, I'll do some experimenting, give me a bit...
[02:54] <Roey> :-)
[02:54] <Roey> thank you :)
[03:05] <arraybolt3> Roey: Wow. So I underestimated how limited this installer was.
[03:05] <Roey> `hahaha
[03:05] <Roey> :)
[03:05] <arraybolt3> Roey: It looks like you can make a "physical volume for encryption", but then how you set a filesystem...?
[03:05] <Roey> I've found https://www.tangibleabstraction.com/2020/05/21/full-disk-encryption-on-ubuntu-with-manual-partitioning/  <- and this involves dropping to a Konsole instead of using Ubiquity's paritioner
[03:06] <arraybolt3> Yeah. That might work.
[03:06] <Roey> gosh this looks so complimicated
[03:06] <arraybolt3> Hmm. Lemme try an installation like that and report back the results.
[03:07] <Roey> ok
[03:07] <Roey> oh wow you're so flexible, thanks so much
[03:11] <arraybolt3> Might take a bit, thanks for your patience.
[03:11] <Roey> aye
[03:16] <arraybolt3> OK well the installer threw a *fit* over what I just did, but it's installing :P
[03:16] <arraybolt3> If this works, then encrypted /boot should be possible.
[03:16] <arraybolt3> As well as BTRFS and whatnot.
[03:20] <Roey> oooh ok
[03:21] <Roey> so what exactly did you do?
[03:27] <arraybolt3> Well, hold on, lemme see if this works first :P
[03:27] <Roey> sure :) :)
[03:27] <arraybolt3> (My connection is slow and I failed to tell it to not install updates so it might be a few more minutes.)
[03:28] <Roey> ok
[03:29] <Roey> I'm just impressed that you did an installation just to help me out
[03:29] <arraybolt3> I use virtualization software, so it's super easy to do stuff like that.
[03:29] <Roey> ha, aye
[03:29] <arraybolt3> (Basically it lets me run a whole "computer" as an application, so I can do an OS installation in a virtual machine and be able to figure out how to make things happen.)
[03:30] <Roey> yeah I know
[03:30] <Roey> it's just the amount of effort
[03:30] <Roey> wow, like I said, I'm impressed, and thank you
[03:30] <Roey> :)
[03:30] <arraybolt3> If this works, I'll make a second VM but with a much larger disk, and then we'll walk through making identical installations at the same time. That way if something blows up, I'll know it on my end before it blows up on your end.
[03:30] <Roey> k
[03:31] <arraybolt3> Uh... crud. OK so things did blow up with the partition that /boot was on encrypted.
[03:32] <arraybolt3> (I didn't make a separate /boot and /, I just made them the same thing and encrypted / entirely, and it made GRUB mad.)
[03:32] <Roey> ok
[03:32] <Roey> hrm
[03:32] <arraybolt3> Sigh. It looked like it was going so well.
[03:32] <Roey> heh
[03:32] <Roey> it's ok
[03:33] <Roey> I mean I suppose I can live with unencrypted /boot
[03:33] <arraybolt3> K. Well, let's try it. The installer was able to cope with my shenanigans, so hopefully having /boot unencrypted will do the trick.
[03:33] <Roey> hey I wonder... if I use btrfs on (unencrypted) /boot, (encrypted) / and (encrypted) /home,  will BTRFS play nice with all that, since it sits a layer above LUKS?
[03:34] <arraybolt3> BTRFS and LUKS technically function together, but I have heard of it possibly making SSDs fail in the past.
[03:34] <arraybolt3> (LUKS just makes an encrypted container that you can put theoretically any filesystem inside.)
[03:35] <Roey> aye
[03:35] <arraybolt3> Then again, my mentor runs LUKS+BTRFS on his main rig and it works just fine :P
[03:35] <Roey> :)
[03:35] <arraybolt3> OK, are you at the Kubuntu desktop?
[03:35] <Roey> yes I am
[03:35] <arraybolt3> Alright, let's launch Konsole.
[03:35] <Roey> currently at the partitioner screen of the installer
[03:35] <Roey> sure
[03:35] <Roey> I'm there
[03:35] <arraybolt3> Close the installer, we need to do this part first and then launch the installer.
[03:36] <arraybolt3> It will ask if you want to abort the installation, tell it yes.
[03:36] <Roey> done
[03:36] <arraybolt3> OK, do "lsblk" and tell me what your main disk is.
[03:36] <arraybolt3> (I assume it's going to be /dev/sda.)
[03:36] <Roey> .dev.sda
[03:36] <Roey> /dev/sda, right
[03:36] <arraybolt3> K.
[03:36] <arraybolt3> sudo fdisk /dev/sda
[03:36] <Roey> Command (m for help):
[03:37] <arraybolt3> At the fdisk prompt, type a single "o" and press Enter. This will wipe the disk.
[03:38] <Roey> it bitches about "the device contains 'gpt' signaure and it will be removed by a write command.  See fdisk(8) man page and --wipe option for more details", but also says "Created a new DOS disklabel with disk (identifier 0x73f9703)
[03:38] <arraybolt3> (hold on, I'll be right back, I have to go afk for just a sec)
[03:38] <Roey> k
[03:38] <Roey> probably because the installer before it made a gpt partition
[03:38] <arraybolt3> Probably.
[03:38] <Roey> thinking that this is a UEFI system
[03:38] <Roey> excuse my language, sory
[03:39] <Roey> but now I am back at the Command (m for help): prompt
[03:41] <arraybolt3> OK back.
[03:41] <arraybolt3> Alright, type a single "n" and press Enter.
[03:41] <arraybolt3> Then "p", Enter.
[03:42] <arraybolt3> Then Enter again.
[03:43] <arraybolt3> It should say something like First sector (2048-99999999, default 2048): (but that 999999999 will almost certainly be different)
[03:43] <Roey> Parition nuumber (1-4, default 1):
[03:44] <arraybolt3> Yeah, press Enter there.
[03:44] <Roey> ok
[03:45] <Roey> NOW it says "First sector (2048-1953525167, default 2048):
[03:45] <arraybolt3> Alright, good. Now just "Enter" again.
[03:45] <arraybolt3> Next prompt should be "Last sector" and then a bunch after that.
[03:46] <Roey> Last sector, +/- sectors or +/-size{K,M,G,T,P} (2048-1953525167, default<PHONE_NUMBER>):
[03:46] <arraybolt3> Type "+4G" and then press Enter.
[03:46] <Roey> ok
[03:46] <Roey> (is 4 G good enough for /boot? without it getting full?)
[03:46] <arraybolt3> Should be more than necessary. All /boot has to hold is the kernels and whatnot.
[03:46] <Roey> Created a new partition 1 of type 'Linux' and of size 4 GiB.
[03:46] <Roey> Command (m for elp):
[03:46] <arraybolt3> 2G might be a bit thin, 4G should work.
[03:46] <Roey> k
[03:47] <Roey> saying this b/c I've encountered a too-small /boot before
[03:47] <arraybolt3> OK, "n", Enter.
[03:47] <Roey> at like 350 mb
[03:47] <Roey> ok
[03:47] <Roey> Parition type
[03:47] <arraybolt3> (My system is currently using a <2G /boot made by the installer and it works.)
[03:47] <Roey> p primary (1 primary, 0 extended, 3 free)
[03:47] <arraybolt3> "p", Enter.
[03:47] <Roey> e extended (container for logical partitions)
[03:47] <Roey> ok
[03:47] <Roey> Partition number (2-4, default 2):
[03:47] <arraybolt3> Enter.
[03:48] <Roey> First sector (8390656-1953525167, deault 8390656):
[03:48] <arraybolt3> Enter.
[03:48] <arraybolt3> OK, how much RAM is in your system?
[03:48] <Roey> 8GB
[03:48] <arraybolt3> OK, so do "+8GB", Enter.
[03:49] <arraybolt3> (You could get away with less, but that should work well.)
[03:49] <Roey> Last sector, +/- sectors or +/-size{K,M,G,T,P} (28390656-1953525167, default<PHONE_NUMBER>):  +8GB
[03:49] <Roey> er
[03:49] <Roey> I thought 16 GB
[03:49] <Roey> ?
[03:49] <Roey> twice the size of RAM, right?
[03:49] <arraybolt3> It used to be recommended that you have twice as much swap as RAM, that is no longer.
[03:49] <Roey> for systems with smaller amounts of ram
[03:49] <Roey> ok
[03:49] <arraybolt3> You can do 16G if you want, but 8G should be plenty enough.
[03:49] <Roey> I'm not gamin on this old laptop after all
[03:49] <Roey> ok, 8GB it is.
[03:50] <Roey> compromise: 12G
[03:50] <arraybolt3> Sure.
[03:50] <arraybolt3> +12G, Enter.
[03:50] <Roey> Created a new partition 2 of type 'Linux' and of size 12 GiB.
[03:50] <Roey> Command (m for help):
[03:50] <arraybolt3> Nice. OK, and you wanted / to be how big?
[03:51] <Roey> 150GB, say
[03:51] <arraybolt3> OK. "n", Enter again.
[03:51] <Roey> (like with BTRFS it shouldn't matter, right, since it glomps them all together?)
[03:51] <arraybolt3> ...I don't think that quite works that way.
[03:51] <Roey> ok, again it asks me for "p" primary or "e" extended
[03:51] <arraybolt3> You *can* glomp them together, but it's not automatic.
[03:51] <Roey> arraybolt3: well with my desktop, I see that the free space on / and /home and /boot are all the same
[03:52] <arraybolt3> That's because they're all on the same partition.
[03:52] <arraybolt3> Separate partitions will change that.
[03:52] <Roey> pj/ upi
[03:52] <Roey> er
[03:52] <Roey> oph, you're right.
[03:52] <Roey> they're all on /dev/sda1
[03:52] <Roey> even though they show up as separate entries in "df"
[03:52] <arraybolt3> True.
[03:53] <arraybolt3> Er... wait what?
[03:53] <Roey> hrm. I wonder how that happened.
[03:53] <arraybolt3> I got "df" and "du" mixed up.
[03:53] <arraybolt3> Oh... you probably are using mutliple BTRFS *subvolumes*.
[03:53] <arraybolt3> That's likely how that happened.
[03:53] <Roey> yeah, / /home and /arch are all on /dev/sda1
[03:53] <Roey> yeahhh I think so
[03:53] <Roey> I installed it with btrfs through ubiquity
[03:53] <Roey> this is how it installed it, I guess.
[03:54] <arraybolt3> Hmm... ok we might be able to make that happen.
[03:54] <Roey> and yes, they are subvolumes, I'm certain of that
[03:54] <Roey> oh good!!
[03:54] <arraybolt3> If you want the separate subvolumes.
[03:54] <Roey> I would like that to be the case since then I don't care so much about the free space on any individual partition
[03:54] <Roey> er
[03:54] <Roey> subvolume
[03:54] <arraybolt3> Nice. In that instance, we should probably make the next partition eat the whole disk.
[03:54] <Roey> ok
[03:54] <Roey> for what it's worth--
[03:54] <arraybolt3> And hope Ubiquity figures out how to make the subvolumes right :P
[03:55] <Roey> I do not have a /boot on my desktop as a separate partition
[03:55] <Roey> just /, /home and /arch (for media and such)
[03:55] <Roey> arraybolt3: :)
[03:55] <arraybolt3> If you want encryption to work with Ubiquity, I'd definitely make a separate /boot like we just did, since it really blew up a bit ago trying to encrypt it.
[03:55] <Roey> ah ok
[03:55] <Roey> yes yes
[03:55] <Roey> understood
[03:55] <arraybolt3> So I think we're on the right track.
[03:55] <oerheks>  /arch ?
[03:55] <oerheks> lolz
[03:55] <Roey> that's for po
[03:55] <Roey> *media*
[03:55] <Roey> yes
[03:55] <arraybolt3> Ack...
[03:56] <arraybolt3> Roey: You may be using Enter a bit too much. An anti-flood bot just mistakenly muted you....
[03:56] <arraybolt3> It stops after 60 seconds, so just hang on a sec.
[03:56] <arraybolt3> (Sorry about that.)
[03:56] <oerheks> do not copy paste mutiple channesl
[03:56] <oerheks> hahaha'
[03:57] <arraybolt3> OK, fixed.
[03:57] <Roey> \o/
[03:57] <arraybolt3> Roey: OK, so "p", Enter.
[03:57] <Roey> Partition number (3,4, default 3):
[03:57] <arraybolt3> Then just keep pressing "Enter" until you get to the "Last sector" line.
[03:57] <Roey> ok, there.
[03:58] <arraybolt3> If we're going to have Ubiquity do the subvolumes thing, I think just hit Enter again and that will make the last partition take up the rest of the disk.
[03:58] <Roey> ok
[03:58] <Roey> size 915.5 GiB
[03:58] <Roey> good.
[03:58] <arraybolt3> Alright. "w", Enter.
[03:58] <arraybolt3> We are now done with partitioning.
[03:58] <Roey> ok good
[03:58] <Roey> it synced disk, ok.
[03:58] <mmikowski> Hey Roey, I see you are undertaking LUKS + BTRFS on kubuntu? (hi arraybolt3!)
[03:59] <arraybolt3> Alright, the next step is to make our filesystems. We want /boot on /dev/sda1, which will be ext4 since we don't really care what FS /boot uses, I don't think.
[03:59] <arraybolt3> mmikowski: o/
[03:59] <Roey> mmikowski: indeed!!
[03:59] <Roey> arraybolt3: any chance of using btrfs on /boot?
[03:59] <mmikowski> I can still send that file. It would be good for reference.
[03:59] <arraybolt3> Then swap will be, well, a swap-formatted partition. Then we'll leave the last one *unformatted* so Ubiquity takes care of it.
[03:59] <Roey> arraybolt3: ok
[03:59] <Roey> mmikowski: which one?
[03:59] <arraybolt3> Roey: Depends on if GRUB can understand btrfs or not.
[03:59] <mmikowski> You can use btrfs on boot, but it starts getting complicated.
[04:00] <Roey> well it can boot / as btrfs
[04:00] <Roey> which includes /boot
[04:00] <mmikowski> Grub sorta can understand btrfs
[04:00] <Roey> on my desktop
[04:00] <arraybolt3> Ah, nice, then yes, we can do btrfs on /boot, I believe.
[04:00] <mmikowski> Depends on the version; there are caveats
[04:00] <Roey> latest & greatest
[04:00] <arraybolt3> mmikowski: Well we're using the latest interim release, so it should work.
[04:00] <arraybolt3> Roey: OK, so, lemme figure out the mkfs.btrfs command...
[04:00] <Roey> aye
[04:00] <Roey> mkfs.btrfs /dev/sda1 I'd think
[04:01] <mmikowski> well, let me see if I used it on our test build. That was tested a lot. I think we did.
[04:01] <Roey> ok
[04:01] <mmikowski> But you need to make it big to allow for snapshot.
[04:01] <mmikowski> ^s
[04:01] <Roey> erm 4 GB enough?
[04:01] <arraybolt3> Oh tar. I didn't take snapshotting into account.
[04:01] <mmikowski> yeah, that's probably a good size
[04:01] <Roey> I've run into disk space issues on /boot before
[04:01] <arraybolt3> Ah, OK.
[04:01] <Roey> when it was like 200 MB
[04:02] <Roey> sometimes when i'm ruinning low on disk space, I delete previous snapshots
[04:02] <Roey> I made a script to do that
[04:02] <Roey> ok so,
[04:02] <arraybolt3> Roey: I think "sudo mkfs.btrfs /dev/sda1" should work.
[04:02] <mmikowski> I ran /boot as a BTRFS subvolume; no separate partition.
[04:03] <Roey> that worked
[04:03] <Roey> also "performing full device TRIM /dev/sda1 (4.0GiB) <- btrfs plays well with ssd trim, yeah?
[04:03] <arraybolt3> mmikowski: Ubiqiuty really blew up on me when I tried to encrypt the partition containing /boot, so something about that didn't work.
[04:03] <Roey> mmikowski: yeah that'swhat I do on my desktop.
[04:03] <arraybolt3> Roey: I believe so.
[04:03] <Roey> I mean I read about it playing nice with ssd trim aye
[04:03] <Roey> ok, next up:
[04:03] <Roey> swap
[04:04] <arraybolt3> sudo mkswap /dev/sda2
[04:04] <Roey> mkswap /dev/sda2
[04:04] <Roey> yeah
[04:04] <mmikowski> Yes, there are conditions there too.
[04:04] <Roey> ok
[04:04] <Roey> btw we wnat this encrypted too
[04:04] <mmikowski> Ah, luks2 is not full supported for grub as of 2022.04
[04:04] <arraybolt3> Oh. I forgot about that.
[04:04] <mmikowski> have to use grub v1
[04:04] <arraybolt3> OK, lemme check something...
[04:04] <mmikowski> That may have been updated, but those are in my notes.
[04:05] <mmikowski> So this is the full-encryption image I'm looking at, and we discarded that.
[04:05] <Roey> ok
[04:05] <mmikowski> luks1 is not as secure.
[04:05] <arraybolt3> Thankfully we're using /boot unencrypted so we won't need to use luks1.
[04:05] <Roey> aye
[04:06] <mmikowski> Yeah, that's the other image that I actually used. Let me bring that up.
[04:06] <arraybolt3> OK, I can make the swap partition LUKS-encrypted.
[04:06] <oerheks> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/703288
[04:07] <arraybolt3> oerheks: Hmm... spam comment in there.
[04:07] <arraybolt3> Might wanna report that.
[04:07] <arraybolt3> Roey: OK, so to make the encrypted swap, do "sudo cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/sda2".
[04:08] <mmikowski> I ran 512M boot/efi, 4GB swap, 4GB /boot BTRFS, rest LUKS; subvolumes of @ / and @home /home
[04:08] <arraybolt3> Roey: It will warn about the wiping of data, type "YES" (in capitals) and press Enter.
[04:08] <arraybolt3> Then type your intended passphrase twice.
[04:08] <Roey> k
[04:09] <Roey> ok
[04:09] <Roey> it's crunching away
[04:09] <Roey> now it finished.
[04:09] <mmikowski> kk, off to dinner. Good luck guys. If you get stuck and want the script, I can send it along in a pastebin.
[04:10] <Roey> thanks mmikowski
[04:10] <Roey> enjoy dinner!
[04:10] <Roey> arraybolt3: next step,
[04:10] <mmikowski> one sec, I'll add to paste bin.
[04:10] <Roey> thanks
[04:10] <mmikowski> Ignore the reference to a recovery partition, you don't need that.
[04:11] <Roey> arraybolt3: next step is / and /home on /dev/sda3
[04:11] <Roey> as btrfs, on a luksFormat
[04:11] <Roey> mmikowski: ok
[04:11] <mmikowski> what's the recommended pastebin these days?
[04:11] <Roey> paste.ubuntu.com
[04:13] <mmikowski> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/mTQ4XyrbdN/
[04:13]  * Roey clicks
[04:13] <arraybolt3> OK, back, sorry for the delay.
[04:14] <Roey> aye np
[04:14] <arraybolt3> Roey: OK, so *now* launch Ubiquity.
[04:14] <Roey> oh, so not even bother mkfs.brfs on /dev/sda3?
[04:14] <Roey> ok
[04:14] <arraybolt3> True. We'll let... tar, I missed a step, close Ubiquity :P
[04:14] <mmikowski> This script was run in live CD mode and partitioned everything before running install. Then the installer could use all existing partitions. I ran this setup for 4 months.
[04:14] <Roey> arraybolt3: ok done :)
[04:15] <mmikowski> So there you have it if you need it. IIRC, it just worked, although ymmc.
[04:15] <Roey> mmikowski: much appreciated
[04:15] <mmikowski> ^ymmv. Good luck!
[04:15] <arraybolt3> Roey: OK, so, we did cryptsetup on /dev/sda2, right?
[04:15] <arraybolt3> Yeah.
[04:15] <Roey> arraybolt3: correct, we did
[04:16] <arraybolt3> Alright, so next step is actually for me to facepalm because I missed an argument in the above cryptsetup command
[04:16] <Roey> \o/
[04:16] <Roey> I mean /o\ *
[04:16] <arraybolt3> Can you do "ls /dev/mapper" and tell me what is shows?
[04:16] <Roey> control
[04:17] <Roey> as a character device
[04:17] <Roey> er
[04:17] <arraybolt3> Oh, OK, I didn't forget, I'm just forgetting some of my commands.
[04:17] <Roey> crw----------
[04:17] <arraybolt3> We're fine.
[04:17] <Roey> phew \o/
[04:17] <arraybolt3> OK, "sudo cryptsetup open /dev/sda2 luksSwap"
[04:17] <mmikowski> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/2zR45j8XKk/
[04:17] <arraybolt3> (I thought the "luksSwap" went in the above command, thus my confusion.)
[04:17] <arraybolt3> Er, you know what I mean.
[04:18] <mmikowski> ^^ That's the post-install script; it cleaned up a bunch of stuff after install but before reboot.
[04:18] <Roey> ok
[04:18] <Roey> arraybolt3: it took.
[04:18] <mmikowski> kk guys, hope that helps.
[04:18] <Roey> mmikowski: ^_^
[04:18] <mmikowski> peace out :)
[04:18] <arraybolt3> Roey: Nice. btw, if this fails miserably, we'll just go back and try mmikowski's script, which probably works better anyway.
[04:18] <Roey> ok
[04:18] <Roey> mmikowski: gnight :)
[04:18] <Roey> enjoy dinner :)
[04:19] <Roey> arraybolt3: so what now?
[04:21] <arraybolt3> Roey: I am so sorry, but I've suddenly run out of time to do this. I think your best bet may be to use mmikowski's scripts (especially since they worked for him and I am not entirely sure if my way is going to work or not).
[04:22] <Roey> !!
[04:22] <Roey> is there a wya we can continue tomorow?
[04:22] <arraybolt3> Maybe. I am so sorry this happened. I gotta go.
[04:22] <Roey> ok
[04:22] <Roey> well thank you
[04:55] <claudio> Bluetree
[13:29] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[16:17] <imperio-yhwh> ok
[21:35] <Guest62> hello
[21:36] <hasek> any1 here?
[21:37] <arraybolt3> hasek: o/
[21:37] <arraybolt3> There's plenty of people here usually, we just usually don't say alot until someone asks for help.
[21:37] <hasek> i need help
[21:37] <arraybolt3> What's gone wrong?
[21:37] <hasek> with my sources and discover
[21:38] <arraybolt3> OK. Can you explain in detail what's happening, and also tell us what error messages you're seeing, if any?
[21:38] <hasek> every time i lunch my discover i get a msg that the ubuntu server source is not longer there
[21:39] <hasek> so i cant sudo apt update or anything
[21:39] <hasek> can i post a pic?is that possible?
[21:40] <arraybolt3> Hmm, OK. In order to see what's gone wrong, I'll probably need to see what sources apt is using. Can you run in Konsole "cat /etc/apt/source.list | nc termbin.com 9999", and send the link that outputs? *Please do not paste the full contents of the file into the chat, just send the link and that will let me see it.*
[21:40] <arraybolt3> Also, sure, you can upload pictures to Imgur or ImgBB and send the link to them here.
[21:42] <hasek> it says no such file or directory
[21:45] <arraybolt3> Check your typing, you probablh mis-spelled something.
[21:45] <arraybolt3> The command you type should match the one above to the letter.
[21:45] <arraybolt3> Except that I made a typo.
[21:45] <arraybolt3> Facepalm...
[21:45] <hasek> i copied and pasted
[21:45] <arraybolt3> cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:46] <hasek> oh
[21:46] <arraybolt3> (I wrote "source.list" rather than "sources.list" /o\)
[21:46] <hasek> i got this   https://termbin.com/4qqm
[21:47] <arraybolt3> Oh. You're using Kubuntu 21.04, which went EOL nine months after release.
[21:47] <arraybolt3> And strangely you don't have the updates or security repos?
[21:47] <hasek> ya .... what is eol?
[21:48] <hasek> b/c it wont
[21:48] <arraybolt3> EOL = End Of Life. Basically the OS no longer receives updates after it goes EOL.
[21:48] <hasek> everything is messed up
[21:48] <arraybolt3> The only solution is to upgrade to a newer version of Kubuntu.
[21:48] <arraybolt3> However, Kubuntu 21.04 is very far behind the current latest LTS of Kubuntu, and even further behind the most recent release.
[21:48] <hasek> can i do that without starting over
[21:48] <arraybolt3> You might be able to, but it's likely going to be a whole lot of work.
[21:49] <arraybolt3> Unless you have a specialized setup, it would almost certainly be easiest to back up your data and install Kubuntu 22.04 or 22.10 from scratch.
[21:49] <hasek> so i just need to erase and reinstall the new one/?
[21:49] <arraybolt3> Yep.
[21:49] <hasek> ok
[21:50] <arraybolt3> Hopefully it goes without saying, but make sure you save your data on an external drive before installing the newer version of Kubuntu. :)
[21:50] <hasek> ya is was working all good then all of the sudden one time when i went to go update i started to get all these errors. i was thinking i must have dont something worng
[21:51] <arraybolt3> Nah, the old repository probably just got archived.
[21:51] <hasek> ya i mean i plan to get a new hd anyway, i just wanted to see if i could somehow fix these errors
[21:52] <arraybolt3> If you don't like updating frequently, you should probably use Kubuntu 22.04, which is supported for 3 years. Kubuntu 22.10 only gets nine months of support, which means you'll have to upgrade soon after the next release comes out or this will probably happen again.
[21:53] <hasek> ya that what i was going to upgrade to, but i also thought this one was an lts. what happened to that?
[21:53] <arraybolt3> Kubuntu 20.04 was LTS. 21.04 is an interim.
[21:53] <arraybolt3> LTS releases are made every two years.
[21:53] <hasek> oh
[21:53] <hasek> cool beans
[21:53] <arraybolt3> So 20.04 and 22.04 are the current LTS releases. (20.04 goes EOL very soon, 22.04 should work for a good long while.)
[21:54] <hasek> welp ill be getting the new one then
[21:55] <hasek> ok well thank you for your help
[21:56] <arraybolt3> Glad to help!
 Here's a fun one, trying to use the  Game Controller calibration, but it doesnt work for PS5 pads because it wants the axis values of the R2 and L2 buttons, but pushing them counts as a button presss and moves on to the next calibration step.


[10:48] <leonel> Ok   I'm  going  out right now   is it urgent ?
[10:49] <leonel> ScottK: I'll do  as soon I come back
[10:50] <ScottK> OK.
[10:50] <ScottK> Do it when you get back.
[10:50] <leonel> ok thanks
[11:22] <Megaqwerty> Is there an easy way to get dependencies of source packages? I've tried using the script from debian's website, bit it misses a few that dpkg-depcheck finds. However, dpkg-depcheck doesn't print required version numbers...
[11:25] <Flannel> Megaqwerty: apt-get build-dep
[11:25] <Megaqwerty> Flannel: sorry, I meant .tar.gz files that don't have .debs yet
[11:26] <Megaqwerty> or .bz2, you get the idea.
[11:32] <man-di> Megaqwerty: build with pbuilder and look what fails
[11:33] <man-di> Megaqwerty: thats the only thing that is reliable
[11:33] <Megaqwerty> man-di: Alright, thanks.
[11:33] <man-di> Megaqwerty: note that sometimes stuff is optional, you need to read the build log to get aware of missing optional stuff


[01:13] <Mamarok> so apparently the solver in kpat is broken because we use an old package: freecell-solver-bin/hirsute 5.0.0-2 amd64. Version 6.2 would be needed. See also https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=437753
[01:13] <ubot3> KDE bug 437753 in kpat "Baker's Dozen has no winnable games" [Normal, Unconfirmed]
[07:06] <RikMills> Mamarok: I guess also affects Neon then
[09:57] <RikMills> Mamarok: new freecell-solver requires new libraries that are not in debian/ubuntu yet, so a fix for that might not be quick
[12:49] <Mamarok> RikMills: that's sad, because this means we ship a kpat version without the necessary updated packages.
[12:59] <RikMills> Mamarok: if debian unfreeze in time, we may get them. Otherwise I can swap kpat on the ISO for another game ;)
[13:00] <RikMills> Mamarok: and it is only in impish that BakersDozen exists
[13:13] <RikMills> it looks like Neon started to have a go at backporting the solver, then gave up
[13:13] <RikMills> likely due to these issues
[14:46] <Mamarok> oh well, I can live without Baker's Dozen, and even without the solver, it jsut struck me that there were no solvable games reported
[14:47] <Mamarok> I do play without the solver anyway, as my preferred games don't show anything at the start


[00:00] <kv102t> joe_alf: sure, we run windows VMs on xcp
[00:00] <kv102t> joe_alf: anyway, you said understood, is that about trying the reserve IP? that should work..
[00:04] <joe_alf> kv102t: will try your suggestion. i'm searching on how to do it
[00:05] <kv102t> joe_alf: what router?
[00:07] <kv102t> joe_alf: or more to the point what pushes your DHCP? windows server or router and then if router what make.
[00:11] <joe_alf> kv102t: windows
[00:11] <kv102t> joe_alf: perfect
[00:11] <kv102t> joe_alf: easy to complete
[00:12] <kv102t> joe_alf: in dhcp look at the releases, you can rigtt click and select reserve or somethign to that effect
[00:12] <kv102t> joe_alf: this will then make it static with this address.
[00:14] <kv102t> joe_alf: later after tested you can copy the MAC address and delete / recreate the reservedIP inputting an IP you want to set and adding the MAC address in the box.
[00:15] <kv102t> joe_alf: so putting eth0 back to DHCP will give you the current IP of eth0
[00:15] <kv102t> joe_alf: thats the one you want to reserve.
[00:17] <joe_alf> kv102t: sorry i misunderstood your question for dhcp. but my eth0 is vEthernet on windows. settings on this is changing everytime i reboot my windows host machine
[00:18] <kv102t> joe_alf: ah, so th MAC changes etc..
[00:18] <joe_alf> kv102t: for vEthertnet sometimes it is 192 and sometimes it is 172
[00:19] <joe_alf> kv102t: i did set static MAC under hyper-v settings for my guest machine which is ubuntu
[00:19] <kv102t> joe_alf: so shoudl you not be able to reserve this?
[00:19] <iATR_> hellp
[00:20] <iATR_> hello i meant
[00:20] <kv102t> joe_alf: i guess if the vEth keeps moving
[00:21] <kv102t> joe_alf: Sorry joe, i'm out without knowing more of the setup(and time) but not DNS issue, routing / default ethX in play it looks like..
[00:22] <joe_alf> kv102t: i think i did tried to set the ipv4 config on this before but totally broke my two other vm guest machine which is centos and windows 2016 server
[00:24] <joe_alf> kv102t: Thank you for your help. appreciate it. will try to research on your suggestion. and yes understand now that it is not dns problem.
[00:25] <joe_alf> kv102t: it was working before. not sure why suddenly it is not working. i guess something with the update on my ubuntu machine
[00:29] <kubast2> Hey, how can I launch a program in a certain cgroup right away?
[00:35] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> helo
[00:35] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> hello
[00:35] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> hello is anyone there hello
[00:36] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> hello help is anyone there hello help
[00:36] <kubast2> no
[00:37] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> pulseaudio audioeffects
[00:37] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> I need help. equalizer not working
[00:37] <sarnold> kubast2: there's a chance that systemd-run can do that
[00:37] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> can't edit .conf anything
[00:38] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> 10 or something editors installed, about a gig of everything installed, still nothing
[00:38] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> several days
[00:39] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> 50 tabs open on browser searching everything but nothing
[00:39] <tatertots> does your volume control work?
[00:39] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> Yes
[00:39] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> I have audio, I have pulseeffects open, everything but equalizzer qoirkmnd]
[00:39] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> works
[00:40] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> everything but equalizer on pulseeffects work
[00:40] <sarnold> when you run pulseeffects from a terminal do you get any error messages in the terminal? do you get any errors in the other system logs?
[00:40] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> logged in as root on terminal and still can't edit whatsit
[00:40] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> fucking
[00:41] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> .config/etc/pulse/daemon.
[00:41] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> conf
[00:42] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> made copies of multiple .conf / .json / .pa files to paste into respective folders
[00:42] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> read only not write
[00:42] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> I'm root on admin on the terminal and just trying to edit but they fucking won't
[00:43] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> how do i do this on the goddamn terminal
[00:43] <sarnold> do what?
[00:43] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> why does my screen keep flipping upside down
[00:43] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> edit the damn files in the read only folders as root on terminal
[00:43] <sarnold> you use whatever text editor you like; vim, pico, nano, jed, ed, emacs, whatever
[00:44] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> tried
[00:44] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> fucking.....
[00:44] <sarnold> that won't help yuou
[00:44] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> firecamp for json,
[00:44] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> several editors downloaded
[00:44] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> used all of them
[00:44] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> none of them write just read and won't save
[00:45] <sarnold> what error messages did you get when you used your favourite one?
[00:45] <tatertots> sounds like he's tunnel visioned or stuck trying to edit files
[00:45] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> how do i make myself root / admin / wtfever on more than terminal but actually on the editors
[00:45] <tatertots> he hasn't even tried running it from terminal yet
[00:46] <sarnold> tatertots: who knows what he's done? he's not telling us. I'm done. good luck.
[00:46] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> what's the command on terminal?
[00:47] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> i have been on this for several days no luck no nothing
[00:47] <Nyle> Hello, I am looking for a lightweight DB management/client for mariadb/mysql. I use currently mysql-workbench but it's too slow.  Still looking for a help with ssh. I have a client on my iPhone , but I would like to connect to my laptop when I’m outside my local network. Any help is greatly appreciated!
[00:52] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> I'm coming from windows 7 to ubuntu without having used it for several years
[00:54] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> I have tried for several days via multiple programs, install packs, bundles, this that and the other and I think what messed all this up is I installed the first few extensions I searched for under "equalizer" without having actually installed / made the equalizer in the first place
[00:55] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> I'm so out of my mind I couldn't even get through /nickserv earlier and just bashed the keyboard for about a minute and kept hitting enter
[00:56] <kubast2> sarnold, I see I can limit memory usage with MemoryLimit from the man page I read that systemctl show will show all available properties
[00:56] <kubast2> but I don't see MemoryLimit there only "DefaultLimitRSS" text etc.
[00:56] <kubast2>  Properties for units are
[00:56] <kubast2>            documented in systemd.unit(5)
[00:56] <kubast2> nevermind
[00:56] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> can anyone help me
[00:57] <kubast2> pattern not found hmm
[00:57] <OerHeks>  install nautilus-admin, to get the option: edit as administrator
[00:57] <OerHeks> !info nautilus-admin
[00:58] <OerHeks> tip: install synaptic, a detailed softwarecenter
[00:58] <sarnold> kubast2: did you have any luck finding a way to limit memory use via the slices?
[00:59] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> nautilus is also just called files?
[00:59] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> synaptic already installed. installed everything I could through it
[01:14] <beaver> sorry for my stupid flood
[01:15] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> installed nautilus admin through synaptic after starting to download it all through browser through another 10 tabs of deb on
[01:16] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> pkgs.org
[01:16] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> still not root
[01:16] <sarnold> beaver: has your cat apologized?
[01:17] <sarnold> beaver: does a cat ever *mean* its apology? :)
[01:17] <OerHeks> err, we don't do pckg.org, use synaptic or terminal with apt
[01:17] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> right clicking shows nothing admin
[01:17] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> on the window on the file on the window something
[01:18] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> yeah downloaded nautilus admin on synoptic aptic
[01:19] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> package manager
[01:19] <OerHeks> oh oke
[01:19] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> does this just not apply until i restart the computer?
[01:19] <OerHeks> just restart nautilus/files
[01:19] <OerHeks> :-)
[01:20] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> closed / quit then restarted files
[01:21] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> checked permission right clip propoertie
[01:21] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> properties
[01:21] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> checked the permissions if they changed since closing files and it still says I'm not the owner
[01:22] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> still write protected
[01:23] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> i don't even know if it would do anything to write anymore if i could
[01:23] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> I'm root on terminal but not on files, how do i edit files on terminal
[01:24] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> retrying pkgs
[01:26] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> no too many tabs needing shit from other tabs installed and everythings all over and not in the right order of installing,
[01:29] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> naultilus admin downloaded on terminal stil ldoesnt work after trying on synaptics but found a .deb on desktop opened software trying to install but doesn't
[01:30] <iyydtxeidhgmiufh> restarting laptop i just want the equalizer to work
[01:36] <uctehoihtowxhgdr> finally an open as administrator option on the rightclick on the files
[01:36] <DarwinElf> recently I had to boot to recovery, and it didn't have networking!   You would need to install grub on that new drive and if you're using UEFI you'll need to update that as well
[03:29] <myuser> does 18.4 use grub?
[03:34] <keyrcbot> [rudi9719]: myuser, afaik everything from 12.04-19.10 is using grub or grub2
[03:34] <sitm> hello!
[03:35] <sitm> I recently purchased a new Intel NUC 10 BXNUC10I7FNK1 i7-10710U and every version of Ubuntu I have tried to install fails to recognize the Ethernet
[03:36] <sitm> I looked online and the integrated LAN is "Intel Ethernet Connection 1219-V"
[03:36] <myuser> keyrcbot: So could I copy the partitions and just point the grub boot manager that was copied to the new root partition? (And update the NVRAM to boot of the copied ESP)
[03:36] <sitm> What I think is happening is that this is a newer version for this type and since the checksum is failing, Linux is refusing to install the drivers for it
[03:37] <sitm> What I'm wondering is how I can manually install the drivers or tell Ubuntu / Linux to ignore the checksum error
[03:38] <keyrcbot> [rudi9719]: myuser, if you're still booting off of the old drive that would work. If you're trying to boot from the new drive you would have to do grub-install on the device
[03:40] <myuser> I'm thinking I just want 1 NVRAM entry that would point to a GRUB boot manager. Grub can manage my various OSes.
[03:46] <dirtycajun> So i have a zfs mount that is mounted at /mnt/media and a ext4 mount mounted at /mnt/media/storage. I need to ensure that the ext4 mount does not mount until zfs mounts. Is there a more graceful way then @reboot crontab hacky script
[03:49] <sitm> what's the command to probe for ethernet adapters?
[03:50] <sitm> lshw is showing the ethernet adapter
[03:51] <sitm> so weird
[04:18] <tatertots> 0
[04:20] <spinningCat> i added user to www-data but i still get permission error. What should i do more?
[04:20] <sarnold> spinningCat: explain your problem clearly :)
[04:21] <spinningCat> i try to cd /var/www/folder i am not able to cd that folder. I got permission error
[04:21] <spinningCat> i added my user to www-data with adduser user www-data
[04:22] <spinningCat> still cant do it
[04:23] <tatertots> that's expected behavior for that dir
[04:23] <tatertots> are you chatting from the computer right now?
[04:23] <spinningCat> yes
[04:23] <spinningCat> so well i need to change owner of directory each time when i change smt
[04:23] <spinningCat> is it?
[04:30] <tatertots> changing owner each time should suffice
[04:32] <spinningCat> tatertots,  this is what i do now thanks
[06:21] <pavlushka> this page is behaving weird, http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/eoan/man8/tunctl.8.html
[06:27] <Randolf> pavlushka: It looks okay in Opera (on Ubuntu) for me.
[06:34] <Mark60> hey guys :)
[06:34] <n86cc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bumKpq4ljL8
[06:35] <Mark60> i have acedently moved my files into the trash folder and then when i restated the PC which was a stupid thing to do it now has a user lock on it which i am unable to get arround. can someone pls help me with a live usb to mnt the HDD so that i can recover my files please :)
[06:35] <Mark60> <3
[06:58] <jnewt_> trying to install a .deb package (unifi controller from ubiquity) on ubuntu 18.04.   every time i click install, it doesn't actually install, but adds an entry to the software list for installed with a button that says install unlike all the others that say remove
[07:09] <tatertots> jnewt_: try installing it from terminal
[07:19] <thomas_25> what's a modern shell that could do real good (i.e. fetch --help of the command and auto complete that), smart (per directory history) autocompletion? (like the shell 'fish' in mac)
[07:22] <tatertots> i didn't see anything that can't be done in stock default ubuntu ...becoming proficient with it doesn't happen over night,
[07:59] <Mark60> hi guys how can i recuver my pc when i accedently moved files into the trash bin. can i mount the HHD and access the trashbin?
[07:59] <Mark60> i know the files are still in there yet i cant access them due to ubuntu created a new user profile :/
[08:06] <Ben64> Mark60: what files
[08:35] <DarwinElf> recently I had to boot to recovery, and it didn't have networking!  How do I (re)install the service that would show up as /etc/init.d/networking ?
[08:38] <Mark60> Ben64 just standart files
[08:39] <Ben64> Mark60: why can't you just log in and retrieve them
[08:40] <Mark60> @ben64 i have accedently moved some config files into trash which then made ubuntu create a new user and i cant login :/
[08:42] <Ben64> Mark60: log in in a console and navigate to /home/<user>/.local/share/Trash
[08:42] <Mark60> on a live usb?
[08:43] <Ben64> on ubuntu on your computer
[08:43] <Mark60> well i cant login into the new user as i dont know what the accunt details are :/
[08:43] <Mark60> so i can only use live usb
[08:43] <Ben64> no you can log in with your user on the console
[08:44] <Mark60> how do i get to the console?
[08:44] <Ben64> ctrl+alt+f1
[08:44] <Mark60> ah thank you
[09:35] <moopthemighty> hello! If I install bison 3.3 from a .deb ... will it screw up my 18.04 install that only has 2.3?
[09:35] <moopthemighty> I am trying to install boomerang decompiler
[09:36] <moopthemighty> I dont really feel like going through the effort of testing in a VM when I can just ask, considering I'd have to make the VM!
[09:52] <tilerendering> hola
[09:53] <tilerendering> not sure whether this is the right channel to ask, but: am I correct in the assumption that Ryzen-based servers are not really made for that purpose? i.e. the Ryzen being a workstation cpu (low latency) rather than one assuring high throughput?
[09:53] <ryuo> Ryzen based servers? I thought the only actual servers were based on EPYC not Ryzen.
[09:55] <tilerendering> mhh.. look: https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/matrix-ax
[09:55] <tilerendering> these are the servers I m talking about
[09:57] <ryuo> pricey.
[09:57] <ryuo> tilerendering: don't think it matters that much honestly. main difference i can see is core count.
[09:58] <tilerendering> hm. is there a channel here you could recommend for this type of questions?
[10:00] <ryuo> #hardware
[10:43] <paul98> hi, I have /usr/src/ with loads of headers, I run uname -a and I am on 4.4.0-1054-aws - but i've got headers with higher numbers e.g <IP_ADDRESS>0,I don't want ot upgrade but is it worth deleting them
[10:47] <tomreyn> paul98: assuming that you are running ubuntu 16.04 "xenial" on AWS, linux-image-4.4.0-1100-aws is the latest kernel version and you could delete any others but the one which you are currently running.
[10:47] <paul98> DISTRIB_CODENAME=xenial
[10:47] <paul98> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
[10:48] <paul98> cause of just rm each one?
[10:48] <tomreyn> you don't seem to install seurity updates regularly then
[10:48] <tomreyn> not rm, use apt
[10:48] <paul98> no this box hasn't been touched for over 2 years :(, I've just picked up a ticket to look at the server.
[10:49] <tomreyn> Ubuntu 16.04.6 LTS would be the latest (and possibly last) installer version
[10:50] <paul98> ah fair enough
[10:51] <paul98> i guess I can do sudo  apt --purge autoremove ?
[10:51] <tomreyn> yes, but this is more likely to be effective in removing older kernel packages after you installed the pending updates and rebooted.
[10:52] <tomreyn> on the other hand - a system which has ceen collecting security vulnerabilities for two years you might actually prefer to setup from scratch
[10:53] <paul98>  10:52:59 up 635 days, 43 min,  1 user,  load average: 0.04, 0.01, 0.02
[10:53] <tomreyn> especially if AWS means Internet
[10:53] <paul98> not quiet 2 years since reboot
[10:59] <paul98> Thought it would be worse "157 packages can be upgraded"
[11:01] <tomreyn> maybe it's worse: ubuntu-support-status --show-unsupported
[11:04] <paul98> You have 2 packages (0.2%) that can not/no-longer be downloaded
[11:04] <paul98> You have 67 packages (7.9%) that are unsupported
[11:04] <paul98> not to bad.
[11:04] <paul98> i'll put a change management ticket in to update it.
[11:05] <paul98> Thanks for your help tomreyn
[11:07] <ryuo> paul98: realistically, xenial should be upgraded to something newer in the near future. it's not too much longer before EOL for people not paying for EMS.
[11:07] <tomreyn> paul98: note that this utility also considers packages from community supported repositories as 'unsupported'
[11:08] <ryuo> April 2021.
[11:08] <paul98> ryuo, agreed got a year or so to go, I'll suggest it as a change management, I don't know much about the server to be honest so may not be as easy as just building a new server.
[11:09] <ryuo> probably to focal
[11:09] <ryuo> may as well skip bionic
[11:10] <paul98> focal 20?
[11:13] <ryuo> 20.04
[11:13] <ryuo> the next LTS
[11:13] <paul98> ah, didn't know it was upto 20.04!
[11:13] <paul98> even my work laptops out of date ha
[11:13] <ryuo> it's not out yet
[11:14] <paul98> ah
[11:14] <ryuo> but by the tim you upgrade it probably will be
[11:14] <paul98> haha, sounds about
[11:14] <paul98>  will keep a eye out for it
[11:39] <FoldMark> How do I make ubuntu talk to IPv4? 0% [Connecting to http://no.archive.ubuntu.com (2001:67c:29f4::51)]
[11:47] <aivit> so after the initial 'docker run' with arguments, is that now like a vm i can call upon by id, like 'docker start' and then reference the id of that image? if so, do i need to provide the arguments again or just the id? i used the auto restart(or whatever) argument so that it starts upon boot do i need to do that again or can i just ``docker start idhere``?
[11:52] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:56] <JayDoubleu> is there a way to determine the "latest" kernel by simply scanning the repository and finding the latest kernel metadata without the need to be *on the OS itself ?
[12:07] <pendarsoheil> Hi, I know that predictable network names are preferred and good. However I am having some trouble detecting the correct and connected interface for preseeding. If the ordering is based by drivers being loaded can I be assured that the eth interface on the motherboard will always be eth0?
[12:09] <pendarsoheil> what are the assurances that the mobo interface will be probed first?
[12:37] <damiandabrowski2> Hello, Do you think that virtualization on centos with kernel 3.10 can be slower than ubuntu 18.04 with kernel 5.0?(because of network drivers, RBD module, KVM support etc.)
[12:37] <lotuspsychje> damiandabrowski2: we dont take polls here, perhaps something more for #ubuntu-offtopic?
[12:39] <damiandabrowski2> lotuspsychje: ok thanks
[15:00] <aivit> anyone know if there is an app to check google api quotas and usage?
[15:11] <pragmaticenigma> aivit: For software recommendations please ask in #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:12] <aivit> ok
[16:52] <VinceG> Heii... is there any tool that hashes a whole passwordlist for me? If got a old database from a friend and he stored the passwords as plain-text.
[16:52] <VinceG> Now i wnat to hash them for him... but ahm... yeah... idk
[16:55] <pragmaticenigma> !alis | VinceG: That sounds like a programming question. There are plenty of programming channels on IRC to help you. Pick a programming language you would like to use and the query alis
[16:55] <kotek14> You can always write an ugly python script
[16:57] <VinceG> yeah... python... i am not good with that :|
[16:57] <pragmaticenigma> VinceG: Please see the comment from ubottu
[17:00] <VinceG> I looked at it and decided to ignore it due the fact that this was not a question about programming.. that was more like a "is there a existing tool on ubuntu"-question
[17:00] <pragmaticenigma> VinceG: There is not... that's why I directed you to a programming channel
[17:17] <VinceG> thanks for the help... took my basic python knowledge and a little bit more google and got it.. ^^
[17:54] <gambl0re> if i want to do fast charging on my phone, does the usb cable have to be fast charging or is it just the charger?
[17:55] <pragmaticenigma> gambl0re: That is not an Ubuntu support question. Please ask again in #ubuntu-offtopic or find a mobile phone forum or other general technology chat.
[18:21] <pjs> Anyone notice issues with your laptop sleeping when closing the lid? I'm on a thinkpad X1C6, Ubuntu 18.04.3, and this only recently started happening. I close my screen, it appears to sleep, after about a minute, it appears to be awake (solid red light) and if I don't open it up, the battery will die in 10ish hours. I've had to shutdown when packing up my laptop lately.
[18:22] <pjs> hrmm, just now remembering a bios update. Maybe the sleep setting was reset. I'll check that first.
[18:22] <holi> hi
[18:23] <holi> I want to test my snapshots taken with "back in time" made from another system and saved in an extern hard disk in case I loose my computer. when I import seetings I just see the configuration of back in time loadede  but not my snapshots. what can I do please?
[18:36] <eeos> I do not know wat is happening with freenode and the ubuntu channel, but it keeps asking me to register, even if I have been registered for more than 10y
[18:36] <eeos> anyone else experiencing the same? I am actually logged in with the account.
[18:37] <dax> eeos: you're probably trying to join the channel before your client finishes authentication. see https://freenode.net/kb/answer/sasl to avoid that
[18:38] <eeos> dax:  nope, I waited .... as you can see I can easily post.
[18:38] <dax> (i just checked, you weren't logged in when you joined -unregged, so yes, that sasl link should fix it)
[18:38] <dax> eeos: you can post *now*
[18:38] <dax> when your client tried to join #ubuntu originally, it wasn't identified to nickserv
[18:39] <eeos> dax: nope, when I asked the question (at 19:36 see above) I had been logged in for 19 (nineteen) minutes .... and the nickserv was answering
[18:40] <eeos> dax: so, that is not the explanation (have been using the freecad server for a few years, I know how it works ....)
[18:40] <dax> eeos: you attempted to join #ubuntu at 18:17:26. you were not logged in to nickserv at the time, and thus ended up in #ubuntu-unregged. you actually managed to join #ubuntu at 18:35:42, after logging in
[18:41] <dax> and every other time you have ended up in #ubuntu-unregged you were not identified at time of join
[18:41] <dax> assuming that your quit message is correct, you want to take a look at https://userbase.kde.org/Konversation/Configuring_SASL_authentication , and if you have questions about it you should drop by #freenode and ask them
[18:45] <eliyahuTBR> Shalom from Israel. Newbie. when i go to settings/online accounts and click google I get "Unacceptable TLS certificate".
[18:45] <eliyahuTBR> any ideas?
[18:45] <eeos> dax: the problem was specifically with the ubuntu channel, all the others channel did not give a problem, and I have the screenshot of the freenode nickserv which says I logged into the server at 19:17 and in all other automatic channels (of which ubuntu is the last) within about a minute .... I think the problem is with ubunru channel and not wih the freenode (or the client).
[18:46] <dax> eeos: the problem is not with the #ubuntu channel, and if you join #freenode and ask them to explain to you why your non-SASL authentication setup has a race condition I am sure they will be happy to do so
[18:47] <dax> but, since it's not an Ubuntu technical support question, it'd be better off there than here
[18:48] <eeos> dax: that said, it is not my problem, I am not the manager of the channel, hence I have done what I was supposed to do and signalled the problem (which is the standard behaviour in the OS community), the rest is not up to me.
[18:48] <dax> fine, i wasn't gonna do this but sure
[18:49] <dax> eeos: hi, I've been using freenode for over a decade, was freenode staff for about half of that, and have been an op on this channel for a *long* time. I've implemented services authentication for various things and know intimitely how it works. This is *not* a channel issue, it's an issue with your client configuration, and #freenode is the correct venue to get support for it.
[18:50] <eeos> dax: can we please consider this discussion closed?
[18:50] <dax> Sure, have a good rest of your day.
[18:51] <eliyahuTBR> i disconnected on accident. did anyone happen to address my question above?
[18:53] <pragmaticenigma> eliyahuTBR: There isn't enough information provided for the volunteers to assit you. TLS certificates are provided by the service provider you're attempting to connect to. If you are receiving the message from attempting to perform software updates, you should check with your internet provider as they are likely interfering with your connection.
[18:53] <eliyahuTBR> that is almost surely the issue pragmaticenigma. thanks. i used a filtered internet provider.
[19:38] <seven-eleven> hi
[19:38] <seven-eleven> how do I allow a systemd service to execute in apparmor?
[19:38] <seven-eleven> after I run the service I read this in the syslog Jan 16 02:35:50 phpc01 kernel: audit: type=1400 audit(1579116950.799:353): apparmor="DENIED" operation="rmdir" profile="snap.barrier.barrier" name="/home/philipp/snap/barrier/83/" pid=12773 comm=
[19:39] <sarnold> seven-eleven: you'll need to contact the snap author; be sure to include that line, they may need it to request additional privileges in a snap interface
[19:40] <seven-eleven> sarnold, is it possible that I tell apparmor to allow the snap?
[19:41] <seven-eleven> if I run the app in foreground it works; just trying to run the snap via a systemd service it fails
[19:41] <physiology> Hi all.  I'm booting from optical drive, looking to install on a new Dell workstation.  I can select "Install Ubuntu," but then the screen stays black for some minutes.
[19:41] <physiology> The monitor hasn't gone to sleep.  Any thoughts?
[19:42] <sarnold> seven-eleven: you *might* need to do some snap connection things
[19:42] <EriC^^> !nomodeset | physiology
[19:42] <sarnold> seven-eleven: https://snapcraft.io/docs/interface-management
[19:43] <physiology> EriC^^: Thank you.  Ubuntu is *not* yet installed on this system.  I am booting from optical drive in order to install.  Does this still apply?
[19:43] <seven-eleven> sarnold, http://ix.io/27ut
[19:44] <EriC^^> physiology: yeah
[19:44] <seven-eleven> sarnold, i think im gonna simply add it to my bashrc then
[19:44] <EriC^^> physiology: do you get a black and white grub menu or a neat menu in the middle of the screen?
[19:45] <sarnold> seven-eleven: connecting the plug and slot thing?
[19:45] <seven-eleven> sarnold, i will run it in the foreground via the bashrc; /bin/snap/barrier runs fine
[19:45] <physiology> EriC^^: I do get the first screen of installation, "Test Ubuntu," "Install Ubuntu," etc
[19:46] <sarnold> seven-eleven: oh strange. this might be worth discussing in #snapcraft I think, folks there are experts :) I just pick up a few things here or there
[19:46] <seven-eleven> just through a systemd service unit file (which i wanted to use for autostart) it fails; but if it starts automatically once I open a shell I'm ok with it
[19:46] <sarnold> seven-eleven: ahhhhhhh. still :) you might not be the only one who wants to do that
[19:46] <kotek14> physiology: what happens if you "test" it?
[19:47] <seven-eleven> sarnold, probably because systemd uses its own environment and then elevates to the desktop user
[19:48] <zxvff> I desperately wish to figure out how to gain some semblance of stability when using a web browser on my Ubuntu installation
[19:48] <zxvff> Chrome, Chromium, Firefox... all seem incredibly unstable, crash frequently
[19:48] <zxvff> Linux RMX00x-1 5.3.0-26-generic #28-Ubuntu SMP Wed Dec 18 05:37:46 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[19:48] <zxvff> I'm wondering if it's some kind of a drive problem
[19:49] <kotek14> zxvff: That's weird. Anything in logs?
[19:49] <sarnold> seven-eleven: possible... does fsuid or euid show up in the log line, showing it running as root?
[19:50] <physiology> kotek14: Trying that now.  Black screen as well.
[19:50] <physiology> This is a fresh out-of-the box Dell 3620.
[19:50] <zxvff> the error I'm frequently seeing, that is of little help, is this: [121156.904670] traps: Compositor[20521] trap invalid opcode
[19:51] <sarnold> yikes
[19:51] <sarnold> what CPU do you have?
[19:51] <zxvff> before this error I usually see a message about [121909.196120] mce: CPU3: Core temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 37304)
[19:51] <zxvff> so, I get the CPU temp message followed by a compositor error & a tab crashes
[19:52] <kotek14> physiology: yeah, you may want to look into kernel boot parameters
[19:52] <kotek14> zxvff: well, then what is the CPU temperature?
[19:53] <physiology> kotek14: But Ubuntu is not installed yet.
[19:53] <zxvff>           product: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6560U CPU @ 2.20GHz
[19:53] <zxvff>           bus info: cpu@0
[19:53] <zxvff>           version: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6560U CPU @ 2.20GHz
[19:53] <zxvff>           capabilities: lm fpu fpu_exception wp vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx pdpe1gb rdtscp x86-64 constant_tsc art arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl xtopology nonstop_tsc cpuid aperfmperf pni pclmulqdq dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 sdbg fma cx16 xtpr pdcm pcid sse4_1 sse4_2 x2apic movbe popcnt tsc_deadline_timer aes xsave avx f16c rdrand lahf_lm abm 3dnowpr
[19:53] <OerHeks> zxvff, check your vendor for a bios update?
[19:53] <OerHeks> overheating is not likely a browser issue
[19:54] <sarnold> zxvff: strange, that's a pretty comprehensive list of supported instruction sets
[19:54] <kotek14> physiology: you gotta bring up the grub menu during boot. Try repeatedly hitting escape on boot
[19:56] <zxvff> OerHeks: i have installed the latest bios updates from dell
[19:56] <physiology> kotek14: On boot from disc?
[19:56] <kotek14> physiology: yes
[19:56] <zxvff> it's a xps 13 9350I believe
[19:56] <ioria> physiology, pressing   F6  should  show you some options
[19:57] <ioria> physiology, when you got the Main Menu, i mean
[19:57] <zxvff> yes, 9350
[19:58] <zxvff> I want to keep using Ubuntu for my work computer, but if I can't fix this browser issue I'm going to be forced to switch to Windows or use my Macbook instead
[19:58] <physiology> kotek14: Rebooting, just a minute
[19:58] <zxvff> lol firefox just crashed entirely again
[19:59] <sarnold> zxvff: is this a firefox from ubuntu's archive? from a snap? from mozilla? somewhere else?
[19:59] <zxvff> the best luck i've had is running google-chrome-stable from the CLI as root with the --no-sandbox flag
[19:59] <zxvff> sarnold: i'm not sure, i've tried several different sources for chrome, chromium, and firefox
[19:59] <physiology> kotek14: I do get 'grub>'
[19:59] <zxvff> it seems to be a problem no matter where I source the application
[20:01] <zxvff> also I don't seem to have a /var/log/messages in ubuntu. is there another system logging file?
[20:01] <sarnold> zxvff: is there more to that error line? an ip? opcode? etc?
[20:01] <zxvff> no
[20:02] <kotek14> physiology: According to askubuntu, you have to type "normal", hit Enter and tap escape repeatedly
[20:02] <sarnold> zxvff: this'll probably be recorded in the journal (so journalctl), dmesg, /var/log/kern.log, /var/log/syslog.log,
[20:02] <zxvff> i've been looking at dmesg, i'll check the other files
[20:02] <zxvff> sarnold: which error line?
[20:02] <sarnold> "trap invalid opcode"
[20:03] <zxvff> [124428.253554] traps: Compositor[12800] trap invalid opcode ip:56527a7f2c3d sp:7fb828938590 error:0 in chrome[565277ea8000+7170000]
[20:03] <zxvff> [121156.904670] traps: Compositor[20521] trap invalid opcode ip:56527a7f2c3d sp:7fb828938590 error:0 in chrome[565277ea8000+7170000]
[20:03] <sarnold> YAY
[20:04] <zxvff> these errors are always adjacent to each other -
[20:04] <zxvff> [121156.904670] traps: Compositor[20521] trap invalid opcode ip:56527a7f2c3d sp:7fb828938590 error:0 in chrome[565277ea8000+7170000]
[20:04] <zxvff> [121909.196120] mce: CPU3: Core temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 37304)
[20:04] <zxvff> [121909.196121] mce: CPU1: Core temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 37304)
[20:05] <jelly> that's 750 seconds apart
[20:05] <sarnold> I've got two guesses on that -- first, it's just a coincidence, whenever you're doing whatever it is in the browser that hits this invalid opcode, it's probably in a portion of code like video playback that's just going to spin the cpu up and smack into the thermal limits, so it's  just coincidence
[20:05] <jelly> but if a system without ECC RAM is overheating, who knows what kind of bit corruption that may cause
[20:05] <JakeSays> so while running apt remove clang-9 i get errors regarding invalid partitions from grub because  apt is trying to remove a kernel image. why would it be doing that?
[20:06] <sarnold> the second theory is that if it's drawing more power for whatever these operations are, and thus hitting limits, it might also be drawing *more* power than the system can supply, and then things go funny when it's undervolted or similar
[20:06] <kotek14> zxvff: i mean, have you looked into sensors? I don't know how likely is the browser shitting itself due to overheating, but that would be my first step
[20:06] <zxvff> kotek14: not really, what would you suggest?
[20:07] <zxvff> I installed tlp
[20:07] <kotek14> zxvff: typing "sensors"
[20:07] <zxvff> which i understand should help control CPU temperature
[20:07] <zxvff> ah
[20:07] <zxvff> coretemp-isa-0000
[20:07] <zxvff> Adapter: ISA adapter
[20:07] <zxvff> Package id 0:  +89.0°C  (high = +100.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
[20:07] <zxvff> Core 0:        +84.0°C  (high = +100.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
[20:07] <zxvff> Core 1:        +85.0°C  (high = +100.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
[20:07] <kotek14> Wow
[20:07] <zxvff> pch_skylake-virtual-0
[20:07] <zxvff> Adapter: Virtual device
[20:08] <OerHeks> !paste
[20:08] <kotek14> Does it have active cooling? It should be sounding like a jet
[20:08] <physiology> kotek14: No love on "normal" and escape.
[20:08] <zxvff> it's not very loud
[20:09] <kotek14> It should be loud, 85 is pretty hot
[20:11] <physiology> I can get to installation boot parameters!
[20:11] <physiology> What will address the black screen lag?
[20:13] <kotek14> EriC^^: physiology got to the boot parameters, please halp
[20:13] <EriC^^> physiology: do you get a black and white grub menu or a neat menu in the middle of the screen?
[20:13] <kotek14> "Systems with certain graphics chipsets may not boot properly out of the box. "Temporarily Add a Kernel Boot Parameter for Testing" as discussed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBootParameters to add the "nomodeset" parameter there."
[20:13] <OerHeks> !nomodeset
[20:13] <kotek14> Yeah
[20:14] <physiology> EriC^^: black and white, I'd say.  It takes up the whole screen.  Only four lines for the install grub parameters.
[20:14] <EriC^^> physiology: ok, press "e" over try ubuntu to edit it
[20:15] <EriC^^> physiology: then add "nomodeset" in the line that says linux /boot/........ root.... blabla, towards the end before any "--"
[20:15] <EriC^^> and press f10 to boot
[20:16] <physiology> EriC^^: Executing
[20:16] <physiology> Disc is moving, still black screen so far
[20:18] <ioria> physiology, consider that installing from a dvd is considerably slower
[20:19] <physiology> ioria: Of course.  Still black screen, btw
[20:19] <kotek14> ioria: how slow could it be?
[20:19] <ioria> a bit
[20:20] <physiology> I'm going to let it hang 5min, then try again.
[20:22] <ioria> physiology, how did you do the installation media ?
[20:23] <physiology> .iso burned to DVD
[20:24] <ioria> physiology, with what software ? form windows buitt-in  app ?
[20:24] <ioria> *from
[20:24] <physiology> 'Burn' on OSX.
[20:25] <ioria> i see
[20:25] <physiology> Restarting for another try
[20:26] <zxvff> I added some entries to /etc/modules, rebooted, and sensors is showing 87C and 73C this time
[20:26] <zxvff> I'm also running KDE plasma right now instead of gnome, maybe that will make a difference
[20:26] <zxvff> my browser never ran well, but performance suffered drastically right after I installed a bunch of modules via gnome-tweaks
[20:26] <physiology> EriC^^: ioria: Ubuntu . . . . .  screen loading.
[20:26] <physiology> This is for "Try Ubuntu"
[20:26] <ioria> ok
[20:28] <zylop> ff
[20:29] <EriC^^> physiology: does pressing escape show anything?
[20:29] <physiology> EriC^^: Booted to desktop of trial.
[20:29] <physiology> I should be able to install from here, you think?
[20:30] <ioria> physiology, so if you want to install, you should have an icon on desktop, right ?
[20:30] <EriC^^> physiology: yeah
[20:30] <tomreyn> "/etc/modules" ... "installed a bunch of modules via gnome-tweaks"? - you know these aren't related, right?
[20:30] <EriC^^> physiology: did you end up using nomodeset?
[20:30] <zxvff> tomreyn: yes
[20:30] <ioria> physiology,  but before, please, open a terminal
[20:30] <tomreyn> ok ;)
[20:31] <physiology> EriC^^: ioria: Yes, icon on the desktop.
[20:31] <physiology> ioria: Terminal open
[20:31] <physiology> EriC^^: yes, nomodeset
[20:31] <ioria> physiology,  lspci -nnk | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:31] <zxvff> hopefully this works a bit better on KDE, but I liked my Gnome setup
[20:32] <EriC^^> physiology: ok, you might need to install a driver afterwards or so, it might not boot later without putting nomodeset again
[20:32] <physiology> ioria: Termporary failure in name resolution.
[20:32] <physiology> EriC^^: I can add that in permanently though, yeah?
[20:32] <ioria> physiology,  enable your connectivity, maybe
[20:33] <ioria> physiology,  or, sudo apt update && sudo apt install pastebinit
[20:34] <ioria> physiology,  we want to know your video card model , if you're wondering
[20:35] <physiology> Ah.
[20:35] <physiology> ioria: This is an offline/standalone machine right now.
[20:35] <ioria> physiology,  ok,  run   lspci    lspci -k | grep -EA3 'VGA|3D'   and tell us what you see
[20:36] <physiology> On it
[20:36] <ioria> physiology,  sorry,   lspci -k | grep -EA3 'VGA|3D'
[20:37] <physiology> NVIDIA Corporation Device 1cb3 (rev a1)
[20:38] <ioria> physiology,  maybe something else ....
[20:38] <JakeSays> can someone take a quick look at this and give me some insight as to why this is happening? https://pastebin.com/r4cyH123
[20:39] <ioria> physiology, NVIDIA Quadro P4000 ?
[20:39] <OerHeks> JakeSays, sorry, only visit paste.ubuntu.com without js enabled
[20:41] <JakeSays> OerHeks: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fK46637FVM/
[20:45] <OerHeks> attempt to remove clang and it removes an old unused kernel too..
[20:45] <physiology> ioria: Yes, I think that is the factory default for this Dell.
[20:46] <physiology> Double click to install doesn't seem to work.  Maybe because of the nomodeset?
[20:46] <ioria> physiology, nope
[20:47] <OerHeks> maybe you need autoremove, sudo apt --auto-remove clang-9
[20:47] <ioria> physiology,  the cursor is spinning ?
[20:48] <Nyle> Hello, I am looking for a lightweight DB management/client for mariadb/mysql. I use currently mysql-workbench but it's too slow. Any recommendations?
[20:48] <Nyle> Something I can easily install via apt
[20:48] <physiology> Frozen screen, at the desktop with a terminal window ioria
[20:48] <Nyle> Thanks
[20:48] <JakeSays> OerHeks: tried that. same errors
[20:49] <physiology> Mouse is moving though.  Perhaps just slow to read from DVD.
[20:49] <ioria> physiology,  can you type in terminal ?
[20:53] <physiology> ioria: No, just mouse movement right now.
[20:53] <physiology> Does it take awhile for the installer to start from disc?
[20:53] <physiology> Maybe faster to reboot with nomodeset w/Install Ubuntu?'
[20:54] <ioria> physiology,  sy, have to leave . good luck
[20:58] <superkuh> Hi. Since we can't talk about Ubuntu 14.04 here, can whoever is responsible for #ubuntu-1 give up ownership so people excluded from here can talk there?
[20:58] <bprompt> Nyle:  hmmm  DB management/client?   as in some GUI app for DB/tables management?
[20:58] <physiology> I'm getting: blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sr0 sector 123456
[20:59] <physiology> Iterating between that and loop0
[20:59] <tomreyn> superkuh: try commercial support from canonical.
[20:59] <bprompt> superkuh:  tried instead using #ubuntu-offtopic?
[20:59] <leftyfb> superkuh: this isn't the place for that. Try #freenode for help with channel ownership
[20:59] <sarnold> physiology: that feel;s likely to be a busted drive / hardware / etc
[20:59] <superkuh> leftyfb, I went to #freenode and they told me to come here.
[20:59] <leftyfb> superkuh: they were wrong
[20:59] <superkuh> tomreyn, I am using 14.04 ESM already.
[20:59] <dax> #freenode would bounce them to the Ubuntu group contacts, who would say that EOL versions of Ubuntu aren't supported by Ubuntu's IRC team, so we're not going to open a channel for it.
[21:00] <physiology> sarnold: Bought new today!
[21:00] <physiology> That's so disappointing, if so.
[21:00] <Zylop> sarnold !
[21:00] <superkuh> I don't want you to open a channel. I want you to give up ownership of a channel you refuse to use.
[21:00] <bprompt> superkuh:  try instead using #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:00] <dax> #ubuntu-offtopic doesn't do technical support.
[21:00] <tomreyn> superkuh: that may be, but we (voulnteers) don't support ESM, just canonical does.
[21:00] <dax> ^
[21:00] <superkuh> Right.
[21:00] <leftyfb> superkuh: there is no "you" here
[21:00] <superkuh> Which is why #ubuntu-1 is needed.
[21:00] <dax> No, it isn't.
[21:00] <bprompt> dax:  well, but due to that it'd cover 14.04 =)
[21:00] <dax> If you have ESM, you need to talk to Canonical. If you don't, you need to upgrade off 14.04.
[21:01] <leftyfb> superkuh: ask #freenode for help finding out who owns and how to register a channel
[21:01] <Zylop> correct 19.04 actually is not supported
[21:01] <Zylop> 10.04 is cool
[21:01] <leftyfb> dax: I don't think the recently announced free ESM for the community includes support
[21:01] <superkuh> You guys have already made it clear that #ubuntu-offtopic isn't for technical support. #ubuntu isn't for 14.04.
[21:01] <tomreyn> physiology: sorry if this was asked before: so you not have a working usb attachable storage maybe?
[21:01] <leftyfb> superkuh: why not try to register ##ubuntu-1?
[21:01] <physiology> tomreyn: To install from, or to?
[21:01] <dax> leftyfb: ah, forgot about that, thanks
[21:02] <physiology> I'm getting the blk_update_request error, alternating between sr0 and loop0
[21:02] <tomreyn> physiology: to write the installer to and boot the installer from
[21:02] <superkuh> leftyfb, I guess I'll have to. While #ubuntu-1 sits empty and unused forever.
[21:02] <leftyfb> superkuh: Again, ask #freenode for help finding out who owns and how to register a channel
[21:03] <dax> they don't need to, the answer is "/msg chanserv info #ubuntu-1" and "talk to Ubuntu's GCs"
[21:03] <zylop`> s info
[21:03] <leftyfb> dax: ah, interesting
[21:03] <leftyfb> dax: well that just shoots someone in the foot doesn't it? :)
[21:03] <superkuh> Alright. Thanks (seriously) for the help guys.
[21:04] <leftyfb> dax: I think someone needs to think about support for the new community ESM plan. It's kind of misleading in that you get package support but no technical support
[21:05] <dax> speaking personally, I think Canonical needs to consider things like community support options before making decisions like this
[21:05] <leftyfb> "I think Canonical needs to consider things like community" ;)
[21:05] <dax> as far as I know they didn't contact IRC folks at all, and thus as far as I know the IRC folks are sticking with "you get 5 years and after that you can go talk to someone else"
[21:06] <tomreyn> physiology: those messages you see there are media errors, where reading or writing to / from the installer storage (or the ramdisk overlay spun over it, to seemingly enable writes to it) is broken. this usually happens when at least one of the following conditions applies: physically broken installer storage, installer was not properly or fully written to installer storage, reading data from installer storage fails, ram is physically broken or
[21:06] <tomreyn> there are read errors as a result of undervoltage.
[21:06] <tomreyn> the latter is very rare
[21:07] <physiology> tomreyn: Brand new Dell 3630, burnt installation media today.
[21:07] <physiology> Turned off Secure Boot.
[21:13] <tomreyn> physiology: just try a usb stick instead if you have
[21:13] <superkuh> Welp, I contacted arthar360 on his wordpress blog. Hopefully he notices and gets back on freenode. Been almost a year.
[21:14] <physiology> tomreyn: That's the plan of attack now.  This is getting me nowhere.
[21:14] <zylop`> very true
[21:14] <zylop`> ^P
[21:29] <JakeSays> my issue seems to be related to a bad grub.cfg being generated
[21:52] <Betal> I get freezes running radeon + intel igpu, there is some option to make then work? what 'solved' the problem for me was removing the vga output from the motherboard, so only the radeon as gpu
[22:15] <kotek14> Betal: What have you tried already?
[22:35] <maszlo> Hello Channel, I am really having some problems with migrating a system.  It appears to be something related to gdm3 but cannot find the source
[22:45] <Betal> kotek14: I found it weird because it happens on live too
[22:50] <maszlo> its almost like my issue is from switching from nvidia back to integrated graphics
[22:50] <tomreyn> maszlo: if you're looking for help with this, you'll need to enable the channel to help you. so far, you haven't.
[22:51] <maszlo> tomreyn: I am unsure what you mean by this
[22:52] <tomreyn> maszlo: well this is a support channel - so in caser you're looking for support, sum up the problem you're facing, what you tried so far, how it did not work out as expected (and what the expectations were), and maybe provide logs, too.
[22:52] <tomreyn> s/caser/case/
[22:52] <genii> !details | maszlo
[22:53] <tomreyn> if you were just reporting what you're doing then this would be the wrong place, though.
[22:54] <tomreyn> (i suspect you're really looking for support, though?)
[22:54] <maszlo> tomreyn: sorry I was just unsure of where the issue was.  I will elaborate on what have attempted
[22:55] <tomreyn> no worries, i'm just trying to help you help us help you ;-)
[22:56] <seven-eleven> how can I delete all old kernels in ubuntu?
[22:56] <seven-eleven> i tried autoremove, but they aren't removed; i dont want to uninstall them manually, because there are about 15
[22:59] <OerHeks> seven-eleven, normal and hwe kernels?
[22:59] <seven-eleven> OerHeks, yeah, headers and image
[23:00] <seven-eleven> linux-headers-4.15.0-53
[23:00] <seven-eleven> linux-image-4.15.0-53-generic
[23:00] <OerHeks> i guess you need to remove them manually, noticed that before
[23:00] <OerHeks> autoremove only does the 5.x part
[23:01] <seven-eleven> ah, then im going to do it manually
[23:01] <maszlo> I have migrated a 18.04.3 system that was running on an older system to an Intel NUC 8 i5.  After cloning the sata drive to m.2 the system will boot up but am not able to get X windows to load.  The old system had a nvidia gpu and this intel one has an AMD gpu.  I do have ssh access to the system across the network, but from console the system just keeps looping when it gets to gdm3.
[23:01] <seven-eleven> i'm on ubuntu 18.04, is it normal to still have kernel 4.15.X?
[23:02] <maszlo> I have updated the kernel from 4.15 to 4.18.20 to support the gpu.  from what I am reading it should at least let you login with this gpu on the 4.15 kernel though.
[23:03] <Bashing-om> seven-eleven: Yes " sysop@x1804mini:~$ uname -r >> 4.15.0-74-generic" IF you installed 18.04 or 18.04.1.
[23:03] <OerHeks> seven-eleven, yes, unless you install fres, then you would get the 5.x hwe kernel only
[23:04] <seven-eleven>  should I switch to hwe kernel?
[23:05] <Bashing-om> seven-eleven: Why switch ? what do you think you may gain ?
[23:05] <tomreyn> seven-eleven: remove "echo" if it looks good: sudo /bin/true && dpkg-query -W -f '${Package}\n'| grep -E 'linux-(image|headers)-[0-9]' | xargs echo sudo apt-mark auto
[23:06] <seven-eleven> tomreyn, nope includes my newest kernel :D
[23:07] <seven-eleven> im just using wildcard to remove the old kernels, worked quickly
[23:07] <seven-eleven> Bashing-om, not sure, at least i dont have kernel orphans :-)
[23:07] <vitimiti> Every time my screen gets locked (like for the timeout) or I restart my computer, my sound settings are automatically set to my display HDMI and my mic is set to my webcam as if my headset disappears from Ubuntu's memory completely and I can't find any fixes, anybody that could help? Ubuntu 19.10 uname -a Linux vitimiti-MS-7978 5.3.0-26-generic #28-Ubuntu SMP Wed Dec 18 05:37:46 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[23:07] <tomreyn> seven-eleven: you need to ensure you have the linux-generic (or generic-hwe...) package installed, and run the above once, then, then just run "sudo apt update; sudo apt --purge autoremove" in the future
[23:08] <seven-eleven> tomreyn, hwe is new for me, let me read up on it. if it has no disadvantage i will switch to it
[23:09] <seven-eleven> oh hwe looks usefukl
[23:09] <tomreyn> seven-eleven: this is not what i suggested, though
[23:09] <tomreyn> maszlo: how did you "update the kernel"?
[23:10] <seven-eleven> tomreyn, oh i got linux-generic installed too already
[23:10] <maszlo> tomreyn: I used UKUU to update the kernel.
[23:10] <seven-eleven> so i can just remove all other kernels
[23:11] <tomreyn> seven-eleven: the long command line i posted above is to mark all packages which should be marked as automatically installed as such. if you have the 'main' / meta packages installed then future versioned kernel image and header packages shiuld also get marked as automatically installed.
[23:11] <seven-eleven>          ok
[23:11] <tomreyn> seven-eleven: and once those versioned packages are marked as automatically installed they should also be considered for automatic removal
[23:12] <tomreyn> maszlo: you should not ionstall !mainline kernels when you can instead install a newer but supported kernel
[23:12] <tomreyn> !mainline | maszlo
[23:12] <tomreyn> !hwe | maszlo
[23:12] <tomreyn> ^ those are supported
[23:12] <maszlo> tomreyn: It boots the same as it did with the 4.15 kernel though.  I have tried to purge and reinstall gdm3, and reconfigure xserver-xorg but with no change
[23:14] <tomreyn> maszlo: the 4.18 kernel you installed using ukuu is probably rather old, important patches from it will have been backported to 4.15, but there may be better support for newer hardware (such as amd gpus combined with intel cpus) in newer kernel versions, such as those HWE provides.
[23:14] <OerHeks> maszlo, so UKUU is bugging you, "it boots the same" is enough reason to reverse that
[23:14] <OerHeks> and UKUU should be in your first question
[23:15] <maszlo> OerHeks: 4.15 did not load X windows.  that is the root of the issue not the kernel
[23:17] <maszlo> tomreyn: it is 4.18.20 that I installed.  that listed as the last 4.18 kernel
[23:17] <maszlo> at least as far as UKUU had as an option
[23:18] <tomreyn> maszlo: maybe i was not making myself clear enough there: UKUU is nbot supported here, the kernel images it enables you to install are not supported here.
[23:19] <tomreyn> maszlo: mainline images are just for testing, and if you deicde to use them, you should really just do so for testing, and (very few exceptions there) always use the latest ones only.
[23:20] <maszlo> tomreyn: if I step back and dd the drive again so that it is 4.15 again, would help with pointers to determine how to resolve the X windows issue?
[23:20] <tomreyn> maszlo: you don't need to do this, just uninstall the unsupported kernel image(s) and instead try the HWE one.
[23:21] <OerHeks> fresh 18.04 gives HWE as standard, good start to find out if that fixes things.
[23:21] <mcphail> maszlo - once you sort out your kernel, in similar situations I have had to `apt purge` all nvidia packages to get past gdm
[23:21] <OerHeks> nobody can tell without hardware specs, its all a little vague
[23:22] <maszlo> this is the hardware https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/boards-kits/nuc/kits/nuc8i5beh.html
[23:23] <tomreyn> that's old enouhg that hardware should not pose any problems, at least with a HWE kernel image.
[23:24] <tomreyn> hmm actually the wireless might
[23:24] <tomreyn> but give it a try nevertheless
[23:24] <maszlo> tomreyn: wireless is not needed.  I will do as directed.
[23:25] <mcphail> maszlo I presume you were using the proprietary nvidia drivers on your old system?
[23:26] <tomreyn> if so , you probably just need to purge those packages and the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[23:26] <tomreyn> this can be done from recovery.
[23:27] <tomreyn> !recovery
[23:28] <maszlo> mcphail: yes it did have nvidia-340 from repo, not ones manually from nvidia
[23:28] <mcphail> maszlo yes - purger all the nvidia* packages and you should be fine after a reboot
[23:29] <mcphail> *purge
[23:29] <mcphail> maszlo It will be trying to use nvidia's libgl. If you purge the nvidia packages it will use mesa's, which should work with your integrated graphics
[23:31] <maszlo> mcphail: thank you this did load gdm properly after reboot
[23:31] <mcphail> maszlo can you get to your desktop now?
[23:33] <maszlo> mcphail: yes it did.  Its still a bit laggy but need to get the amd vega m stuff added
[23:34] <tomreyn> what's the "amd vega m stuff"?
[23:34] <mcphail> maszlocool. Good luck :)
[23:34] <maszlo> tomreyn: that is the new gpu that is in the nuc
[23:35] <tomreyn> are you running the HWE kernel yet, though?
[23:35] <maszlo> tomreyn: not yet no
[23:35] <tomreyn> ok, chances are it'll be faster sfterwards.
[23:38] <OerHeks> amd vega .. i strongly suggest 19.10 with kernel 5.3.x
[23:38] <maszlo> tomreyn: what is the method of installing that kernel?  just install linux-generic-hwe-18.04 from apt ?
[23:40] <tomreyn> maszlo: no. did you read what ubottu posted?
[23:40] <tomreyn> !hwe
[23:41] <tomreyn> OerHeks may be right about needing 19.10, though. or you might need to use oibaf's or padoka's ppa. but let's try the hwe stack first.
[23:42] <OerHeks> boot the live iso as a test?
[23:43] <maszlo> I am in the process of removing the 4.18.20 I have installed first.  then will see if hwe works.
[23:46] <Budgii> is there a way to list command history in terminal, instead of pressing up repeatedly to see what you recently executed?
[23:48] <jeremyb> Budgii, There is a hidden bash_history file in the home directory
[23:49] <Budgii> would this be the same on a mac?
[23:49] <tomreyn> maszlo: actually, the NUC you linked earlier, https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/boards-kits/nuc/kits/nuc8i5beh.html doesn't seem to have Radeon RX Vega M graphics
[23:50] <OerHeks> Budgii, lolz
[23:50] <Budgii> OerHeks: ;)
[23:50] <OerHeks> best joke today
[23:50] <Budgii> You're welcome :D
[23:50] <OerHeks> we just typo 'history' and pang
[23:50] <tomreyn> there's also the "history" command, and ctrl-r for a search
[23:51] <Budgii> tomreyn: wow! never seen that one
[23:51] <Budgii> cool
[23:51] <Budgii> thanks
[23:51] <tomreyn> you're welcome :)
[23:52] <maszlo> tomreyn: thanks for pointing that out.. that must have been an option in the i7 unit that have for something else
[23:54] <tomreyn> you, too, are welcome.
[23:56] <maszlo> tomreyn: It appears that intel makes deb for the Iris gpu in this one.
[23:58] <tomreyn> maszlo: "makes deb"? are you saying that intel provides drivers, packaged in .deb debian packages, for this gpu? if so, i fdon't think you need those, but i915 is probably sufficient.
[23:58] <maszlo> lol intels says they were validated against the stock 18.04 kernel.. I keep going in circles
[23:58] <maszlo> https://github.com/intel/compute-runtime/releases