[00:16] <Ascavasaion> How do I check a 2.5 HDD in a USB external enclosure for errors?
[00:17] <tomreyn> smartctl, same as an internal
[00:17] <tomreyn> !smart
[00:18] <Ascavasaion> tomreyn: I tried SMART through gnome-disks, but it is greyed out.
[00:18] <tomreyn> you *may* need to play with -d
[00:18] <tomreyn> maybe it's not installed?
[00:22] <tomreyn> for usb disks which don't work with just -x /dev/XXX, adding "-d sat"  or "-d sat,12" often works
[00:23] <compdoc> Ascavasaion, the enclosure prevents it
[00:25] <Ascavasaion> compdoc: I tend to agre with you.  I keep getting an "/dev/sdb: Unknown USB bridge [0x0080:0xa001 (0x204)]" error message
[00:28] <tomreyn> Ascavasaion: did you try -d sat?
[00:29] <Ascavasaion> tomreyn: I just did, and it definitely makes things start working.  Just want to see if I cna get the check running.
[00:29] <Ascavasaion> Be right back
[00:36] <_Myst_> hi all, does anyone know how to tweak ubuntu the onboard keyboard, to make the keys larger for a 2 in touchscreen laptop, thanks in advance
[00:37] <RoseBus> hello, i'm trying to program a power-off switch to shutdown my board (running ubuntu with gnome/unity UI
[00:37] <RoseBus> every time i press the shutdown button it says, "hello Rosebus you have open files you might want to save before shutting down"
[00:37] <RoseBus> even if i dont have open files
[00:38] <RoseBus> how can i disable this prompt???
[00:39] <Ascavasaion> tomreyn: https://pasteboard.co/IWokBuz.png  I presume it is running in the background?  It went back to command prompt.  I do not see any obvious physical signs that it is running like flickering lights on hard disk enclosure, etc.
[00:41] <leftyfb> RoseBus: try https://www.itsupportguides.com/knowledge-base/ubuntu/ubuntu-how-to-shutdown-when-power-button-pressed/
[00:44] <RoseBus> leftyfb, ty
[00:45] <RoseBus> leftyfb, still getting that message :(
[00:47] <RoseBus> leftyfb, oo the instructions for ubuntu 18 were ineffective but the buttons for ubuntu 16 worked
[00:48] <RoseBus> weird bc it definitely says i'm running ubuntu 18... but this is L4T version so idk
[00:49] <leftyfb> RoseBus: you mean LTS?
[00:49] <RoseBus> L4T == linux for tegra
[00:49] <RoseBus> nvidia's custom ubuntu build for their boards
[00:49] <leftyfb> RoseBus: ok, future reference, that isn't supported here
[00:50] <RoseBus> even if i'm asking general ubuntu questions that aren't L4T specific?
[00:50] <leftyfb> RoseBus: yes, because we cannot know or support everything they changed in the OS. Troubleshooting might not work the same or be as effective
[00:55] <raj> will python ever refer to python3 in ubuntu?
[00:55] <leftyfb> !ubuntu+1 | raj
[00:56] <raj> cool
[00:56] <leftyfb> raj: but to answer your question: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-20.04-Clear-Python2
[01:02] <raj> thank you
[01:23] <_Myst_> hi all, does anyone know how to tweak ubuntu the onboard keyboard, to make the keys larger for a 2 in touchscreen laptop, thanks in advance
[01:24] <oerheks> _Myst_, i tried, but found none, no tweak nor conf nor dconf entry
[01:25] <_Myst_> oerheks: `thanks, any experiences with linux os that work well with touch screen
[01:26] <tomreyn> Ascavasaion: pasteboard.co won't work here due to invasive tracking.
[01:28] <johnfg> hi guys
[01:29] <johnfg> installed notmuch, and running it the first time.  Running stock 19.10, I'm currently using thunderbird for my mail.
[01:30] <johnfg> my question, notmuch is asking Top-level directory of your email archive [/home/johnfg/mail]: that's the default, but that's not what thunderbird uses.  I have no mail or maildir in my ~.  What would I answer for that question?
[01:31] <tomreyn> johnfg: are you trying to make notmuch use the same mail storage location as thunderbird? i'm not sure that's a good plan.
[01:31] <sarnold> does it even work?
[01:32] <johnfg> tomreyn: What I want to get to, eventually, is to use notmuch.vim inside gvim/vim.
[01:33] <johnfg> https://opensource.com/article/20/1/vim-email-calendar?utm_campaign=intrel is what I'm following, but kinda sparse.
[01:33] <sarnold> this mail from 4.5 years ago suggests you may be able to get thunderbird to use maildir https://notmuchmail.org/pipermail/notmuch/2015/020705.html
[01:34] <sarnold> oh, hmm, it might not be great https://karl-voit.at/2020/01/13/thunderbird-notmuch/
[01:35] <tomreyn> better use some imap proxy and have each of them use their own mail storage
[02:47] <gambl0re> hello?
[02:48] <lotuspsychje> !ask | gambl0re
[03:04] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.. I don't like that Gnome/GDM has made it difficult to manage themes. :/
[03:26] <JordiGH> Is it actually impossible to install libmysqlclient-dev and npm at once in bionic?
[03:26] <JordiGH> Because they depend on different versions of libssl?
[03:27] <lotuspsychje> JordiGH: could you pastebin what apt spits out as errors please, so the volunteers can have a look for you?
[03:28] <JordiGH> Never mind, I think I am right and they just can't be co-installed.
[03:29] <lotuspsychje> JordiGH: this channel is not a trivia channel, do you need help or not?
[03:30] <JordiGH> No, it's okay, thanks.
[03:34] <leftyfb> I did notice npm depends on a libssl that breaks lots of other things, preventing me from install it.
[03:35] <insanidade> that's pretty weird. I have npm insalled in my bionic box.
[03:35] <insanidade> lots of people do, actually (right?)
[03:38] <leftyfb> if I install libssl1.0-dev, which npm relies on, it'll remove 13 packages and cause 52 other packages to be "no longer required".
[03:38] <JordiGH> Oh, and nodejs is kind of old too.
[03:38] <JordiGH> I need 10, bionic has 8.
[03:39] <leftyfb> !latest | JordiGH
[03:40] <JordiGH> Yeah, yeah, whatevs, ppa here we go.
[03:40] <lotuspsychje> dependency issue here i also come
[03:40] <JordiGH> S'all good
[03:53] <daffy1234> I hear a lot of crackling from fluidsynth/qsynth when theres a lot of sound going on (e.g. 4+ notes being played and a youtube video in the background). Qsynth complains about not being able to change priority, and when ran as root it freezes the computer, requiring me to go into a tty to pkill -9 qsynth. Any ideas?
[06:13] <ThomasCrown> I am having this error on my ubuntu when I try to install anything and I am stuck. Any help would be great. Setting up grub-pc (2.02-2ubuntu8.14) ...
[06:13] <ThomasCrown> dpkg: error processing package grub-pc (--configure):
[06:13] <ThomasCrown>  installed grub-pc package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 127
[06:13] <ThomasCrown> Errors were encountered while processing:
[06:13] <ThomasCrown>  grub-pc
[06:25] <hearit> Hello I think I am a victim of a bot net can anyone help me get rid of it?
[06:29] <Ben64> hearit: how is that an ubuntu issue?
[06:33] <hearit> then where can i search for help
[06:34] <Ben64> depends what the actual problem is?
[06:36] <hearit> i play a rpg game all days
[06:36] <hearit> and noe strangely iam having lag
[06:36] <hearit> i think something is doing it
[07:09] <Woet> is there any way to get ufw to ignore an entire interface?
[07:09] <Woet> I have a NAT setup with a bridge, and ufw keeps blocking incoming and outgoing traffic
[07:10] <Woet> I already have "Anywhere on vmbr1          ALLOW       Anywhere" and "Anywhere                   ALLOW OUT   Anywhere on vmbr1" - but that doesn't seem to make a difference
[07:13] <Woet> alright, changing DEFAULT_FORWARD_POLICY to "ACCEPT" in /etc/default/ufw did the trick
[07:39] <ramsub07> hello, i'd like to install cmake3.15 from apt. however, the version apt has is 3.10. Are there any ppa available for cmake 3.15? if so how do I check it out?
[08:31] <artyx> How can I encourage networkmanager (networkctl?) to not be so helpful all the time ... like ignore adapter FOO
[08:35] <mgedmin> artyx: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NetworkManager#Ignore_specific_devices
[08:58] <renomd> i have https://www.website.com/scenes?page=14&site=185  :  how do i create bookmark to go  +1  so it does  https://www.website.com/scenes?page=15&site=185'
[09:00] <renomd> i have https://www.website.com/scenes?page=14&site=185  :  how do i create bookmark to go  +1  so it does  https://www.website.com/scenes?page=15&site=185: big reward
[09:02] <awilkins> Anyone know if AWS keep Ubuntu apt mirrors in s3?
[09:02] <renomd> i have https://www.website.com/scenes?page=14&site=185  :  how do i create bookmark to go  +1  so it does  https://www.website.com/scenes?page=15&site=185
[09:05] <funabash1> Hi guys, how to find out whaat CPU and MEM i have?
[09:06] <funabash1> /proc/cpuinfo does not say model
[09:06] <renomd> i have https://www.website.com/scenes?page=14&site=185  :  how do i create bookmark to go  +1  so it does  https://www.website.com/scenes?page=15&site=185: big reward
[09:08] <EriC^^> funabash1: lscpu ?
[09:13] <funabash1> danke
[09:19] <renomd> i have https://www.website.com/scenes?page=14&site=185  :  how do i create bookmark to go  +1  so it does  https://www.website.com/scenes?page=15&site=185: big reward
[09:23] <artyx> funabash1: are you looking for some sort of hardware database of your ram, or just how much you are using
[09:23] <artyx> just 64GB?  or do you need to know DDR3 blah in slot somethingrather
[09:24] <artyx> As for my vagrant issue .. it seems to be relating to the /etc/libvirt config file being created by vagrant, its defaulting to an ethernet adapter i am not mentioning
[09:24] <artyx>  /etc/libvirt/qemu/machinename.xml
[09:26] <artyx> oops. wrong chan
[09:27] <artyx> renomd: https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2016/01/urlsearchparams
[09:29] <artyx> renomd: That was for chrome .. but https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/URL for firefox
[09:47] <icygqaftmzzi> hello everyone. Is there any way to bundle packages like gcc perl & make into the ubuntu desktop installation ISO file?
[09:49] <HurricaneHarry> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization
[09:49] <icygqaftmzzi> I want to install ubuntu on a lot of machines, & also install a certain software which needs some dependent packages to be installed beforehand. instead of downloading the packages into all of the machines individually & consuming a lot of data, I want a method that gives me 'download once, install multiple times' feature.
[09:49] <pipegeek> Why is python3-distutils a separate package from python3 in ubuntu?
[09:50] <icygqaftmzzi> thanks HurricaneHarry, I'll look into it. hope my reasoning was clear to you.
[09:50] <pipegeek> frustrating because if I only want to install e.g. python3.7 (and not 3.6) on bionic, there's no way to have a working distutils
[09:50] <pipegeek> since python3-distutils brings in 3.6 as a dpeendency
[09:51] <pipegeek> even though distutils is part of the core python library
[09:52] <HurricaneHarry> icygqaftmzzi: your seccond message makes me think more towards a systems management idea, like ansible/puppet combined with a repository mirror
[09:52] <akkonrad> hi. I've had a dell precision laptop with windows 10 + bitlocker. I've added another ssd drive and installed ubuntu there, unfortunately now I am not able to have dual boot - I don't see windows partition in the boot options, only ubuntu partitions are visible.
[09:52] <akkonrad> when I type fdisk -l I don't see my windows partition. is there any way to fix that?
[09:52] <pipegeek> it seems like effectively python3.6 is a dependency of python3.7 in bionic, even though that package dependency isn't explicit
[09:55] <awilkins> akkonrad, UEFI bios? You can probably choose OS with your BIOS boot selection rather than graub
[09:55] <awilkins> *grub
[10:38] <bulgiewulgie> Say I have 2 hd's, /dev/sda and /dev/sdb, /dev/sda has Windows 10 installed, why does Ubuntu not put it's boot stuff on /dev/sdb during installation instead of adding it to /dev/sda?
[10:38] <bulgiewulgie> Is there a way to force it to do that during install?
[10:40] <bulgiewulgie> like, I don't want it to use the first EFI system partition that it finds
[10:43] <bencc1> how do I use py scripts inside a deb package?
[10:43] <bencc1> https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/python-nototools
[10:44] <bulgiewulgie> yikes, this been an issue since 2014 apparently
[10:50] <funabash1> Not an Ubuntu question but what ad/privacy extension should i use with my browser?
[10:54] <Miles8of9> AdBlock on firefox..?
[10:58] <leni1[m]> uBlock origin FTW.
[11:09] <muhaha> is openvpn-systemd-resolved package necessary for openvpn? problem is that I am getting dns from openvpn server on tun0 interface, but there are still dns servers from eth0 interfaces, dig for record into that tun0 dns works, but problem is that OS probably try to resolve record from dns servers from local network... any idea?
[11:38] <anden> the state for my headphone jack stays as "plugged in" even after i unplugged them and causes my internal speakers to stay muted, and the issue persists across reboots. is there any command i can run to reset the plugged state of the jack?
[11:39] <mgedmin> sounds like an alsa bug, maybe report it?
[11:40] <anden> i saw a few bug reports about it already, and a long discussion with no real outcome
[11:40] <anden> that's why i was hoping there is at least a command i can use as a temporary fix
[11:41] <mgedmin> can you select the internal speakers as the default output sink in gnome-control-center's sound panel?
[11:41] <anden> they show up, but as "unavailable"
[11:41] <anden> and i get no sound when i choose them
[11:41] <mgedmin> ouch
[11:42] <anden> i get two options: "Headphones (plugged in)" and "Speakers (unavailable)"
[11:42] <anden> cycling the jack with headphones a few times usually fixes it, but it would be nice to have a command that can do the same in case i forgot to bring headphones
[11:44] <anden> i don't know how alsa/pulseaudio reads this state, but i guess either the hardware is constantly sending this incorrect state, or the state is not updated because i shut down the computer with the headphones plugged in, and unplugged them with the power off, so that the updated state was never sent?
[11:45] <anden> if it's the latter, i guess manually setting the state in software would be a great solution for me
[11:55] <rodrigoty23> does anybody here know how to view the source code of the ubuntu 16.04 source image?
[12:01] <mgedmin> click any package in https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/allpackages, see the 'download source package' links in the sidebar
[12:04] <rodrigoty23> no not that this http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/16.04/release/source/!
[12:05] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:22] <wozy> hi guys
[12:22] <wozy> i did a fresh install of ubuntu 18.04
[12:22] <wozy> with full disk encryption
[12:22] <vlt> wozy: Congrats!
[12:22] <wozy> but now i want to have the /home in its own particion
[12:22] <wozy> i am folowing this guide: https://stephencox.net/blog/install-ubuntu-full-disk-encryption-home-partition.html
[12:23] <wozy> but i get errors that are not explained in there
[12:23] <wozy> for example, when running "sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/nvme0n1p3 ubuntu-vg"
[12:24] <vlt> wozy: FDE usually works with LVM. Create a new volume for home, a file system, mount it somewhere, move everything over, add it to /etc/fstab.
[12:24] <mgedmin> what a cliffhanger
[12:24] <wozy> sorry
[12:24] <vlt> wozy: FDE usually works with LVM. Create a new volume for home, a file system, mount it somewhere, move everything over, add it to /etc/fstab.
[12:24] <wozy> wow i got no clue of what you just said
[12:25] <wozy> dont i need to unmount space?
[12:25] <vlt> wozy: FDE = full disk encryption
[12:25] <mgedmin> the guide you pasted looks correct to me
[12:25] <wozy> to create a new volume?
[12:25] <wozy> oh ok
[12:25] <mgedmin> so what errors are you getting?
[12:26] <wozy> Cannot use device /dev/nvme0n1p3 which is in use (already mapped or mounted).
[12:26] <wozy> when running: sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/nvme0n1p3 ubuntu-vg
[12:26] <wozy> btw can you tell me what is ubuntu-vg?
[12:26] <mgedmin> did you boot your newly instaled system, or did you boot the livecd session?
[12:26] <wozy> i booted on the new installed systemm
[12:26] <mgedmin> 'ubuntu-vg' is the name of the LVM volume group that the installer created
[12:27] <wozy> ok
[12:27] <wozy> ty
[12:27] <mgedmin> ok, the guide says "Now restart the computer and boot off the Ubuntu install medium." before that sudo cryptsetup command
[12:27] <mgedmin> the reason is that you cannot _shrink_ mounted ext4 partitions
[12:27] <wozy> oh
[12:27] <wozy> but how do i get the shell?
[12:27] <mgedmin> and the LVM by default has no free space for a separate /home, so you need to shrink the root partition first
[12:27] <mgedmin> you get a shell by pressing ctrl+alt+t in a live session
[12:27] <wozy> i got it
[12:27] <wozy> ok ty
[12:27] <wozy> brb gonna reboot
[12:28] <mgedmin> good luck!
[12:28] <wozy> ty
[12:28] <mgedmin> (fwiw imho a separate /home is a bad idea, but you do whatever you want!)
[13:13] <vlt> mgedmin: "ubuntu-vg" in *this* case is the name of the LUKS mapper device.
[13:19] <mgedmin> incidentally, does anyone know why the ubuntu installer doesn't give me an option to do FDE if I want to install ubuntu side by side with another OS (windows 10)?
[13:20] <mgedmin> admittedly it wouldn't be _full disk_, but all I want is an encrypted ubuntu partition
[13:21] <pragmaticenigma> mgedmin: Some believe that FDE is not recommended when dual booting
[13:21] <pragmaticenigma> mgedmin: What is recommended is /home directory encryption
[13:23] <mgedmin> I'd love to hear reasons why FDE is not recommended for dualboot situations
[13:23] <mgedmin> (I'm currently using ecryptfs, but it has some annoying limitations)
[13:26] <pragmaticenigma> I don't know the exact reasons why. I believe it was removed from the installer because of limitations of the installer.
[13:27] <pragmaticenigma> UEFI makes for some interesting situations when kernal updates are applied with FDE
[13:34] <unrecovered> heya! i have an odd problem. i'm trying to set up an ubuntu 16.04 on a virtual machine. host is fedora, networking is done via bridge. so my problem is that ubuntu cannot get an IP. i have several CentOS7 vms on this host and they work fine, so i kind of puzzled what the issue could be
[13:35] <unrecovered> i tried to manually run dhclient and still nothing
[13:37] <pragmaticenigma> unrecovered: If you're planning on using this as a production system, please note that 16.04 will be retiring in 2021... Is there any reason you didn't choose to go with Ubuntu 18.04?
[13:37] <unrecovered> i have my reasons :)  no, it won't be a production, just some platform for experiments
[13:38] <pragmaticenigma> unrecovered: More details about the VM environment might be required. Like what application is running the VMs... I'm not skilled in the world of VMs, and this might be a question better suited for #ubuntu-server
[13:39] <unrecovered> hum
[13:40] <unrecovered> pragmaticenigma i run it on qemu
[13:40] <nss> hello, i have a problem on a desktop pc, with 19.10, and i suspect that is a kernel problem
[13:40] <unrecovered> kinda wondering where to ask too
[13:41] <nss> i some moments the pc freezes, with hdd led activity always on (in the same computer w10 doesnt have the problem)
[13:41] <unrecovered> though cliend is definetly desktop, not ubuntu server
[13:41] <unrecovered> nss try iotop to figure who does it?
[13:42] <nss> unrecovered: when it happens, cant move the mouse and/or keyboard (sorry for my bad english)
[13:42] <nss> i suspect that is relative to swap
[13:44] <pragmaticenigma> unrecovered: The purpose of asking in #ubuntu-server is there are more sys-admin type people there that probably have more familiarity with virtualization. The Guest OS doesn't matter
[13:45] <unrecovered> @nss ctrl+alt+F2(or F3?) should switch you to another workspace in terminal mode
[13:45] <nss> unrecovered: it doesnt work, all is freezed
[13:45] <nss> frozed ?
[13:45] <mgedmin> nss: sounds like your machine ran out of RAM
[13:45] <unrecovered> usually works anyway
[13:45] <mgedmin> nss: how much RAM and swap do you have?
[13:46] <unrecovered> pragmaticenigma ok got it, thanks :)
[13:46] <nss> mgedmin: 16gb ram, 16gb swap, but that should not be the behavior
[13:46] <mgedmin> yeah, wow
[13:47] <nss> i the forums some people recomends to disable swap, others to increase it, or change swapiness
[13:48] <mgedmin> I tried to run without swap for a while, and I ended up experiencing the symptoms you describe
[13:48] <Pricey> Keep swap.
[13:48] <mgedmin> hdd led on, system unresponsive for multiple minutes at a time
[13:48] <nss> mgedmin: and when you reenable swap, the symptoms disapear?
[13:48] <Pricey> The only arguments for not having it assume you've got brilliant detection mechanisms in place to recover from failures which you don't have.
[13:49] <mgedmin> well, at least I haven't managed to run enough memory hogs to get any problems yet (16GB of RAM + 2 GB of swap on this laptop here)
[13:50] <mgedmin> nss: if you have patience to wait (up to 30-40 minutes), try opening a terminal and running e.g. vmstat 10 to see what the system is doing; you may have to enter the keys blindly because the UI is not responsive
[13:51] <mgedmin> if you don't have patience to wait, rebooting via alt+sysrq+s,u,b is the quickest way to get back to a working state, and safer than holding down the power button
[13:51] <mgedmin> (I would like to know what kind of workflow manages to fill up 16 GB ram + 16 GB swap.   three slack tabs open?)
[13:54] <Pricey> Raising Skinny Elephants Is Utterly Boring
[13:57] <pragmaticenigma> nss: I think it would also help if you describe what you are doing when this behavior happens
[13:59] <vlm> what line is needed in sudoers file if i want pw prompt for all commands but the one like systemctl for instance?
[14:02] <nss> mgedmin: 5 or 6 chrome tabs open, docker, slack, a 4gb vm
[14:10] <johnfg> hi folks
[14:11] <johnfg> What's the best way to completely remove thunderbird on a new 19.10 install?  Instead of just a new profile, using maildir, I think it will be better to start over.
[14:15] <pragmaticenigma> johnfg: no need to remove thunderbird to start over
[14:16] <pragmaticenigma> johnfg: If you plan on continuing to use Thunderbird... just move .thunderbird to .thunderbird_bak or something similar.. the start up thunderbird... it will start as if it's a brand new instance
[14:40] <chalcedony> chull and I did the updated kernel for 18.04, in hopes that Ubuntu wouldn't crash by surprise anymore. It's still crashing, almost on boot, as soon as Libre Office starts. This time we didn't start Thunderbird, and LibreOffice gave this error when I started it in command line.   (soffice:2085): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: 09:32:10.295: ../../../../gobject/gsignal.c:3492: signal name 'selection_changed'
[14:40] <chalcedony> is invalid for instance '0x564cfb286030' of type 'OOoAtkObjCompTxt' .. then it didn't crash until he tried to recover documents.
[14:42] <pragmaticenigma> chalcedony: Are these documents coming from a trusted source? Does the machine run fine as long as you don't open Thunderbird or LibreOffice?
[14:59] <artyx> We  didn't start the browser ... It was always crashing, since the office was churning?
[14:59] <artyx> prolly better with at least an accoustic guitar or slide whistle
[14:59] <artyx> s/office/libre
[15:00] <chalcedony> pragmaticenigma, i don't know if it does if he doesn't run them, i watched him restart it and run with and without thunderbird. it crashes
[15:00] <pragmaticenigma> artyx: please, not here... if you want to share your tunes, please join us in #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:00] <artyx> Ahah. sorry
[15:01] <chalcedony> it dies fast
[15:01] <pragmaticenigma> chalcedony: how old is this machine?
[15:01] <artyx> Anyone know why i removed networkmanager and nmcli and i still have networkctl showing as its responsible for bond
[15:01] <leftyfb> artyx: because you didn't remove networkctl?
[15:02] <pragmaticenigma> artyx: Because network management is handled by systemd-networkd ... NetworkManager and netplan are just interfaces for configuration, they generate the profile for systemd
[15:02] <pragmaticenigma> you can remove them, and still have networking
[15:02] <artyx> if you do apt install ifupdown ... doesnt that pull the systemd-networkd?
[15:04] <artyx> pragmaticenigma: So im noticing ... I'm trying to go back to classic interface method of config ...
[15:04] <chalcedony> pragmaticenigma, it's not old. Ryzen 5 processor
[15:05] <pragmaticenigma> artyx: There really isn't a way ... if you dislike the newer network management, it would be better to find a distro that doesn't leverage it in the first place... systemd is pretty heavily integrated in Ubuntu and removal makes it hard for us to support it.
[15:05] <artyx> pragmaticenigma: It breaks libvirt being called by 3rd parties
[15:05] <leftyfb> artyx: https://askubuntu.com/a/1052023
[15:06] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: there is a way, I just posted it above
[15:06] <leftyfb> well, not removing systemd, but taking it out of the networking component
[15:08] <artyx> leftyfb: Its not often i have to update my "little black book" but i did today, thank you
[15:20] <chalcedony> pragmaticenigma, ideas?
[15:22] <pragmaticenigma> chalcedony: been trying to research... what does "uname -a" return?
[15:23] <chalcedony> ah moment thanks pragmaticenigma :)
[15:26] <chalcedony> pragmaticenigma, uname -a  Linux vir 5.3.0-40-generic #32~18.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Mon Feb 3 14:05:59 UTC 2020 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[15:27] <chalcedony> i wonder if it actually got that kernel update .. it should be more recent than that
[15:28] <pragmaticenigma> that is the latest HWE kernel (or at least matches my HWE machine)
[15:29] <chalcedony> pragmaticenigma, yes i just checked that too :)
[15:30] <chalcedony> wonder if libre office needs to be updated to be compatible?
[15:33] <pragmaticenigma> chalcedony: most programs are not compiled to a kernel version. so that is unlikely the culprit. What concerns me is that the crashes center around Thunderbird and LibreOffice... which makes me suspect that something was downloaded and could be causing problems
[15:33] <chalcedony> ahh
[15:33] <pragmaticenigma> chalcedony: That's why I was asking if the system crahes if those applications are not launched
[15:33] <chalcedony> guess we can try it
[15:34] <chalcedony> pragmaticenigma, it's actually ok with Thunderbird right now
[15:35] <chalcedony> running
[15:35] <pragmaticenigma> chalcedony: The other option is, you can "delete" the thunderbird profile. First make sure thunderbird is closed, then run "mv ~/.thunderbird ~/.thunderbird_bak" ... then launch thunderbird to see if it triggers a crash. If it doesn't you can just delete the new .thunderbird folder and restore the backed up profile
[15:37] <pragmaticenigma> chalcedony: You can try the same thing for libre office... making sure that libre office is close the run "mv ~/.config/libreoffice ~/.config/libreoffice_bak" ... and then open libreoffice and see if it crashes. If it does... something in libreoffice's config is corrupted and this will start you off fresh
[15:38] <Ool> thunderbird -p to open the profil menu ?
[15:38] <pragmaticenigma> chalcedony: Oops... If libre office is stable after moving the directory... then the config is corrupted and you now have a fresh one that should keep libre office functioning. If it does crash... I'm thinking it might be time to go extreme and consider reinstalling Ubuntu from scratch
[15:39] <pragmaticenigma> Ool: That does work, but there are files stored outside the profile folder that could be corrupted
[15:42] <chalcedony> pragmaticenigma, wow ok thanks
[15:42] <chalcedony> let me see what he thinks of this
[15:43] <pragmaticenigma> chalcedony: There might be others here who have other ideas... but i'm unable to find anymore solutions
[15:44] <pragmaticenigma> chalcedony: with the directory moving you will at least have the ability to undo things... but if something is corrupted in the config/libreoffice area... that's something that will always be "broken"
[15:52] <johnfg> pragmaticenigma: That's a good point, and will accomplish what I want (I hope) - using maildir vs. mbox.
[15:52] <johnfg> pragmaticenigma: Do you use a desktop mail client, and if so, which?
[15:54] <leftyfb> !ot | johnfg
[16:01] <leftyfb> rodrigoty23: please do not PM
[16:02] <leftyfb> rodrigoty23: ask your question here and someone might be able and willing to help you
[16:02] <rodrigoty23> leftyfb, are you firmiliar with source code?
[16:02] <leftyfb> rodrigoty23: This is a support channel for Ubuntu and it's software. What do you need help with?
[16:03] <rodrigoty23> leftyfb, i already asked i need help extracting ubuntu 16.04 sourcode from the source images here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/16.04/release/source/!
[16:04] <rodrigoty23> i got the three of them but dont know how to extract the information!
[16:04] <rodrigoty23> four*
[16:04] <leftyfb> rodrigoty23: apt-get source <package name>
[16:04] <rodrigoty23> oh
[16:04] <artyx> And apt-build ?
[16:04] <rodrigoty23> cd too?
[16:04] <leftyfb> rodrigoty23: what are you trying to accomplish?
[16:05] <rodrigoty23> leftyfb, extracting the information inside those archieves!
[16:06] <leftyfb> rodrigoty23: for what purpose?
[16:06] <johnfg> leftyfb: I thought I was registered.  Or did you think my question about mailer wasn't enough about ubuntu?  For a number of reasons, I'm just trying to find a good mail client that uses maildir vs. mbox.  Primarily for using notmuch[.vim].
[16:06] <rodrigoty23> leftyfb, its outside of the terms of this channel so i cant talk about it!
[16:06] <leftyfb> johnfg: ask in #ubuntu-offtopic for opinions on software
[16:07] <leftyfb> rodrigoty23: What specifically are you having an issue with? What files are you trying to read exactly? With what editor? What are you trying to accomplish?
[16:08] <rodrigoty23> leftyfb, the cd images i put the command youtold me and got this: E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list1
[16:09] <rodrigoty23> i already downloaded the 4 images on that site i am trying to extract that information!
[16:10] <leftyfb> rodrigoty23: ok, good luck. I really do not believe you currently have the technically abilities to understand the basics of whatever it is you are trying to accomplish. I feel you have a lot more reading, researching and learning to do before proceeding with your goal.
[16:10] <leftyfb> rodrigoty23: regardless, I also do not believe whatever it is you are trying to accomplish is supported here.
[16:11] <rodrigoty23> leftyfb, so what your saaying extracting those images is like brain surgery?
[16:12] <leftyfb> rodrigoty23: you have yet to explain what you are trying to do. Extract what from where? What images? What are you trying to extract exactly? (stop saying information)
[16:12] <rodrigoty23> oh okay ill break it down
[16:12] <leftyfb> !enter
[16:16] <rodrigoty23> leftyfb, i downloaded the cd images from here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/16.04/release/source/ clicked downloaded the downloaded the fource source images  if i mount or extract i would get extracted empty folders i haave the four source images in the downloads folder.iam trying to extract the information of those archieves to read the source codde to modify and extend.so far what you told me didnt help me as i put the command
[16:16] <rodrigoty23> apt-get source ubuntu-16.04.6-src-1.iso and would get the result E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list!
[16:17] <bradland> I'm trying to stick to convention with the mysql-server package under 18.04, but I'm not sure if I'm doing this wrong or if the package is different than others. I normally put my configuration overrides in the conf.d/ folder, but the include order in /etc/mysql/my.cnf puts mysql.conf.d/ before conf.d/, causing my configuration files to be overriden by the default config files. Am I meant to modify the files in mysql.conf.d/ directly? I'm concerne
[16:17] <bradland> they'll be overwritten by updates.
[16:19] <bradland> Gah, sorry. I need a correction: but the include order in /etc/mysql/my.cnf puts mysql.conf.d/ *after* conf.d/
[16:19] <leftyfb> rodrigoty23: did you mount the ubuntu-16.04.6-src-1.iso image?
[16:20] <rodrigoty23> leftyfb, yep
[16:20] <leftyfb> rodrigoty23: how did you mount the ubuntu-16.04.6-src-1.iso image?
[16:20] <rodrigoty23> leftyfb, right click mount in the opo up dialog!
[16:20] <rodrigoty23> pop*
[16:21] <leftyfb> rodrigoty23: ok, so you have access to the files in that image. What's the issue?
[16:23] <rodrigoty23> leftyfb, are those the real source images i put ubuntu 16.04 source code and got that link?
[16:23] <leftyfb> rodrigoty23: it looks like it to me
[16:23] <rodrigoty23> in google i put it!
[16:23] <pragmaticenigma> bradland: the files are also processed in alphanumeric order. Just make sure your file appears as the last file in the last folder being scanned, and the settings will not be overwritten. I usually start my custom configs with "z_" to make them easy to find, and always the last to be integrated. Custom files in those folders are never deleted or overwritten as long as they don't share a name with one provided by another software
[16:23] <pragmaticenigma> package
[16:24] <rodrigoty23> leftyfb, so what do i do then isnt there some special "extractor that does that job?
[16:24] <leftyfb> rodrigoty23: does what job?
[16:25] <rodrigoty23> i dont think mount of extracting the archieve would would do the job?
[16:25] <rodrigoty23> or*
[16:25] <rodrigoty23> leftyfb, the job = extracting the source code to source code files!
[16:25] <bradland> pragmaticenigma: I had that thought too, but I saw this in the docs: "MySQL makes no guarantee about the order in which option files in the directory are read."
[16:26] <leftyfb> rodrigoty23: just copy the files wherever you want
[16:26] <bradland> That's the documentation for !includedir.
[16:26] <feoh> I know I shouldn't be surprised because LinkedIn has been kind of a privacy nightmare for a while, but their recent thing of trying to get me to enter my team and sorrounding team's reporting structure is SUPER sketchy. Kinda wondering when someone will get sacked for falling for it and take them to court.
[16:27] <leftyfb> !ot | feoh
[16:28] <rodrigoty23> leftyfb, nevermind i open the archive program and look the source code in older a-z
[16:28] <feoh> CRAP wrong channel
[16:28] <feoh> Sincere apologies.
[16:31] <diamond_orb> I would like to move from Mint to Ubuntu (or possibly kubuntu or lubuntu. Since Mint is "based on Ubuntu" is it possible to migrate from one to the other or do I need to do a fresh install
[16:32] <leftyfb> diamond_orb: you need a fresh install
[16:33] <diamond_orb> leftyfb thanks. Was afraid of that. Which version do I need for a low end machine (old Compaq, pentium, 4GB ram)? I'm not clear on the difference between lubuntu, xubuntu and kubuntu except that they all claim to be "lite"
[16:38] <feoh> Just different choice in desktop environments
[16:38] <feoh> Do you prefer XFCE, KDE or whatever lubuntu custom environment it offers?
[16:39] <feoh> You might also consider Ubuntu MATE. Nice community there and it's very good for machines with meager resources.
[16:45] <diamond_orb> feoh probably xfce as it is the most lightweight of the three. Not really familiar with MATE, but might be worth a look. Thanks.
[16:47] <diamond_orb> I presume that the main ditribution uses Gnome 3? (Picture on the website looks very gnome like but with red background)
[16:50] <diamond_orb> (I'm sure the info must be on the site somewhere... just can't find it)
[16:53] <diamond_orb> BTW, one issue I had with Mint is that many apps in the repo are quite old. I notice that Ubuntu is 18.04LTS. Mint is meant to be based on the same. So are the repository apps likely to be the same? (Not a problem as can install from ppa's if required, just wanting understand the situation)
[16:55] <avid_fan> I would think so. Assuming that the app(s) you're installing are from the Ubuntu repos. But I have no evidence to confirm that.
[16:56] <ducasse> !latest | diamond_orb
[16:58] <diamond_orb> ubottu yes, understood with regards to stable, just that some apps that I was getting on Mint using apt were two or three versions behind the current. But yes, agree that latest bleeding enge is not necessarily a good idea.
[16:58] <diamond_orb> *edge
[16:59] <diamond_orb> ducasse Just realised you sent that last msg via a bot command. Thanks.
[17:00]  * diamond_orb downloading the current desktop iso
[17:01] <diamond_orb> incidentally, can anyone join in the translation effort? I am bi-lingual so may be able to help and give something back in return for being able to use the OS
[17:04] <ducasse> !contribute | diamond_orb
[17:05] <ducasse> diamond_orb: anyone can help with translations, read up on the wiki and join the team
[17:07] <diamond_orb> ok, thank you for you kind an patient answers to my newbie questions. Will have a look at those links while wating for the download to finish.
[17:15] <diamond_orb> Does Ubuntu not provide a has of its ISO images?
[17:15] <diamond_orb> *hash
[17:15] <oerheks> !md5sum
[17:16] <pragmaticenigma> diamond_orb: the checksums are here: archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/{named_version}/main/installer-i386/current/images/
[17:16] <pragmaticenigma> replace {named_version} with appropriate release name (bionic_updates, eaon, focal, etc..)
[17:17] <pragmaticenigma> um
[17:17] <pragmaticenigma> actually that link isn't totally correct, but an example
[17:18] <avid_fan> diamond_orb: short answer = yes, they do supply it. Longer answer = it appears there may be more than one way to get it.
[17:18] <avid_fan> When I tried to download the desktop ISO, there was a "verify your download" link that gave me the sum
[17:21] <diamond_orb> avid_fan yes, found it, its a sha256 checksum and it does match
[17:22] <avid_fan> Mactching = Good :-)
[17:23] <avid_fan> *Matching
[17:25] <diamond_orb> pragmaticenigma thanks. Found them there as well. Am I correct in thinking current = bionic? Plse forgive my lack of familiarity with Ubuntu distro codenames. Couldn't match the md5 so maybe got the wrong one.
[17:26] <diamond_orb> Still the sha256 matches so should be good to go....
[17:27] <pragmaticenigma> diamond_orb: what I pulled for a url was for the mini.iso branch (i386)
[17:27] <pragmaticenigma> bionic is the most recent and supported LTS release of Ubuntu , version 18.04
[17:28] <FrankyGov> heya
[17:29] <diamond_orb> pragmaticenigma yes, understood. I pulled the md5's for bionic from the equivalent path, but they don't seem to match? This is what I got from md5sum:<PHONE_NUMBER>31c8fe22b27f6dbf52ab7d
[17:29] <avid_fan> diamond_orb: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases shows Version Name -> Number
[17:30] <pragmaticenigma> diamond_orb: There are different releases of Ubuntu 18.04... Canonical "packages" up all the updates into a "point" release. so if you get the latest ISO, it should be 18.04.4 which would have a different signature than 18.04.3
[17:31] <FrankyGov> Dear members
[17:32] <FrankyGov> I do not want to mess up the current configuration...already performed a clean install :P
[17:32] <FrankyGov> I wanted to install libsdl2-2.0-0
[17:33] <FrankyGov> To avoid issue I wonder what's the best path to make sure that the system 18.04 does the job through apt-get
[17:33] <pragmaticenigma> !info libsdl2 bionic
[17:34] <oerheks> there is no libsdl2-2.0-0 .. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsdl2
[17:34] <oerheks>  2.0.8+dfsg1-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> is current
[17:35] <FrankyGov> Do I have to manually install it from the repository:
[17:35] <FrankyGov> https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/libsdl2-2.0-0
[17:38] <diamond_orb> Wow! Ubuntu runs on the Pi?  I forgot.
[17:40] <oerheks> oh, just an opinion, ubuntu on pi is pretty simple, even ubuntu-core
[17:41] <Helenah> Not when you want to just plug the SD card into the pi, boot it up and have SSH or UART available.
[17:41] <Helenah> It's easier to achieve that with Raspbian.
[17:41] <Helenah> For other purposes, Ubuntu would be good on the pi.
[17:42] <avid_fan> FrankyGov: are you having a problem installing libsdl2-2.0-0 using apt-get? I'm not familiar with what that package/code does.
[17:42] <Helenah> And I'm not saying it is impossible to set up headlessly either, just saying it is hard work.
[17:42] <oerheks> Helenah, so what you are saying is not helpfull at all :-D
[17:42] <diamond_orb> Helenah can it be installed from a USB stick?
[17:43] <Helenah> diamond_orb: Never tried.
[17:43] <avid_fan> I'm not sure if the Pi supports booting from USB
[17:43] <Helenah> It does, and you should be able to boot it from USB stick.
[17:44] <diamond_orb> avid_fan fair point. Must check that.
[17:44] <Helenah> In the past, you had to change configurations on the SD card, so the SD card would be loaded, then the stick booted.
[17:44] <FrankyGov> avid_fan, I used instead apt-get install -f 'package.deb'
[17:44] <avid_fan> Cool. Then I would think it should be possible to boot from USB and install onto the SD
[17:44] <diamond_orb> Helenah so you can't burn to an SD card and plug in then?
[17:44] <Helenah> The Pi 4, I think you do something with the EEPROM.
[17:44] <Helenah> diamond_orb: You can put Ubuntu on the SD card, yes.
[17:45] <oerheks> https://ubuntu.com/download/raspberry-pi
[17:45] <Helenah> Anyway, I'm not saying any of what I said is definitive, I'm trying to think from the top of my head about things I vaguely remember but haven't tried.
[17:46] <avid_fan> FrankyGov: in my experience, I've only added the '-f' after I tried to install a deb manually and it failed. Then apt-get tried to help install missing depencencies.
[17:47] <avid_fan> I would think you should be able to install the package from the repo with 'apt-get install libsdl2-2.0-0'
[17:47] <diamond_orb> Helenah well thanks for your input. All helpful and to bear in mind for when I get around to trying it.
[17:47] <Helenah> diamond_orb: No problem!
[17:47] <Helenah> Glad I could help. :)
[17:48] <Helenah> diamond_orb: The Pi will boot up the contents of an SD card by default.
[17:48] <Helenah> It is only a default, not something which can't be changed.
[17:49] <diamond_orb> Helenah fair enough.
[17:49] <Helenah> :)
[17:51] <diamond_orb> Thanks. :-) Found this channel to be v. friendly compared to the Mint one....
[17:53] <pragmaticenigma> diamond_orb: Just remember that this channel only supports Ubuntu... Mint is a different setup and is not supported here
[17:54] <oerheks> mint has its own issues too...
[17:54] <waveform> Helenah, headless setup should be a bit easier since eoan 19.10.1 - e.g. it should now be possible to do an ssh-import-id by tweaking user-data on the boot partition before first-boot (you can also install packages and so on from there)
[17:54] <diamond_orb> pragmaticenigma understood, but thanks. Don't worry i won't as any Mint question here.
[17:54] <diamond_orb> oerheks now you have got my attention...
[17:55] <diamond_orb> oerheks anything in particular I should be aware of?
[17:55] <waveform> diamond_orb, Helenah, USB booting on the Pi isn't *officially* supported (yet) but I did make some changes in eoan that should make it considerably easier (the kernel now locates the root partition by label (writable) rather than device (/dev/mmcblk0p2)), however the pi4's firmware doesn't support USB boot (again, yet - it's being worked on upstream)
[17:57] <pragmaticenigma> diamond_orb: Discussion of Mint is offtopic here... you just broke the rule I just told you
[17:59] <diamond_orb> pragmaticenigma oops! Was just confirming that I understood your point.
[18:00] <diamond_orb> waveform thanks.
[18:06] <diamond_orb> oerheks please ignore my last comment. Probably breaks the rules to discuss, but I will research.
[18:11] <eelstrebor> is there anything better/faster cloning than using dd? i see a website that suggests using gparted but i don't want to waste my time experimenting. i used dd to clone a drive and it took 8 hours
[18:12] <leftyfb> eelstrebor: there's not going to be any tool that does it faster. Especially since most tools just use dd in the background anyway
[18:13] <dax> eelstrebor: clonezilla's faster for some filesystems, since it knows how to only copy used space on them
[18:14] <dax> eelstrebor: its backend is partclone, if you'd prefer a single tool over a whole livecd
[18:15] <diamond_orb> seemed to get disconnected. Was just going to say thanks to everyone how replied. Going to boot into the Ubuntu DVD. Might have some questions later. Really appreciate everyones help.
[18:16] <leftyfb> dax: hm, didn't know about partclone. I'll have to look into that at some point
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[19:15] <banisterfiend> hi there :) why does network manager remove my DNS settings when i change network and how can i stop it?
[19:15] <flyn4x4> I have a ubuntu 18 install on a hp zbook with a quardo p4000 mobile gpu and when I click on settings it logs me out. here is some more info https://linux-hardware.org/?probe=52d9261f8b
[19:16] <lotuspsychje> flyn4x4: wich nvidia driver are you on?
[19:17] <flyn4x4> nuevo
[19:17] <flyn4x4> [    7.970457] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: gr: FECS falcon already acquired by gr!
[19:17] <flyn4x4> [    7.970472] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: gr: init failed, -16
[19:17] <lotuspsychje> flyn4x4: did you try an nvidia driver yet from ubuntu-drivers list ?
[19:18] <flyn4x4> I have tried all of them nuevo propriitary and another nvidia
[19:18] <greg> https://imgur.com/vSf0eah.png why
[19:18] <oerheks> that p4000 is supported by the nvidia driver v 375 and up
[19:18] <flyn4x4> i did before i reinstalled. now i cannot get to settings
[19:19] <greg> why do your docs lie to me
[19:20] <flyn4x4> there is alot of info in the link
[19:20] <lotuspsychje> flyn4x4: pastebin ubuntu-drivers list please?
[19:20] <flyn4x4> i also have a dmesg output from when i click settings
[19:21] <flyn4x4> where is ubuntu drivers? is that in settings?
[19:21] <lotuspsychje> flyn4x4: open a terminal and type: ubuntu-drivers list
[19:22] <flyn4x4> ok
[19:22] <hggdh> greg: you do not seem to have any keys in your GPG setup. Also, please be more clear on what you are trying to do
[19:22] <greg> Im trying to backport lcov to 18.04
[19:23] <hggdh> greg: this has nothing to do with gpg. Again, what are you trying to do?
[19:23] <flyn4x4> https://pastebin.com/5rs4eEpT ub drivers
[19:23] <greg> Im trying to backport lcov to 18.04
[19:23] <hggdh> ...
[19:24] <lotuspsychje> flyn4x4: sudo apt install nvidia-driver-(number of your choice here)
[19:24] <flyn4x4> everything was working fine until mid jan
[19:25] <greg> hggdh, https://imgur.com/aGoDgMo.png the ppa wants a gpg key and im trying to add one
[19:25] <flyn4x4> i guess 390 would be my choice
[19:25] <lotuspsychje> flyn4x4: you can try & test that sure
[19:26] <oerheks> ubuntu-driver autoinstall should get the best driver
[19:27] <flyn4x4> i already did 390
[19:27] <flyn4x4> 99%
[19:27] <lotuspsychje> flyn4x4: reboot after install, tell us how it goes
[19:27] <flyn4x4> i shall return
[19:28] <flyn4x4> thanks for the pointers
[19:28] <oerheks> :-)
[19:31] <hggdh> greg: you HAVE to have your own GPG encryption key pair. You can follow https://help.github.com/en/github/authenticating-to-github/generating-a-new-gpg-key
[19:31] <greg> could you guys make this proccess any more difficult?
[19:31] <hggdh> greg: no, it is good enough
[19:31] <greg> i have a key now but how do I frigging publish it
[19:32] <greg> also could launch pad not log me out every 3 seconds dammit
[19:33] <greg> Launchpad could not import your OpenPGP key
[19:33] <greg>     Did you enter your complete fingerprint correctly? (Help with fingerprints)
[19:33] <greg>     Is your key in the Ubuntu keyserver yet? You may have to wait between ten minutes (if you pushed directly to the Ubuntu key server) and one hour (if you pushed your key to another server)
[19:33] <hggdh> greg: I can understand your frustration, but please do mind your language
[19:33] <greg> how do i put it there
[19:35] <greg> I have minded my language and opted for the more PC versions of two words
[19:36] <flyn4x4> ok, so now I can click on settings and it lets me change stuff and doesn't make me login agian.
[19:37] <lotuspsychje> enjoy flyn4x4
[19:38] <flyn4x4> thank you, all that helped me. ya'll are the best.
[19:38] <lotuspsychje> !cookie | all
[19:40] <greg> so how do I publish my gpg key gor my ppa so appease this horrid distro?
[19:40] <lotuspsychje> greg: this is not the complaints channel, please keep statements like that out of the channel
[19:41] <greg> I asked a question
[19:41] <lotuspsychje> greg: did you add an external ppa for lcov?
[19:42] <greg> yes I have my own ppa
[19:42] <greg> but I need a gpg key backportpackage says
[19:42] <greg> so I made one
[19:43] <greg> but i paste the fingerprint into launchpad and it says I need a carrier pidgeon to send it to your key server or w/e
[19:43] <lotuspsychje> greg: we dont support external ppa's here, why dont you use the lcov version from the official repos exactly?
[19:43] <greg> because its out of date
[19:43] <lotuspsychje> !latest | greg
[19:43] <hggdh> greg: seriously, your attitude is not good
[19:44] <greg> cause ubuntu is the bane of my existence
[19:45] <greg> ppa is a ubuntu-ism so if I can't get help with it here where can I?
[19:45] <greg> its nonsense
[19:46] <hggdh> greg: keep on topic. Your comments really do not help
[19:46] <lotuspsychje> greg: try to remove your ppa, and revert the lcov version to the one from the ubuntu repos
[19:46] <greg> there is nothing in my ppa yet
[19:47] <greg> I'm trying to backport lcov from eon or w/e its called to bionic
[19:47] <greg> but backportpackage wants a gpg
[19:47] <greg> so how do I give it what it wants
[19:50] <hggdh> greg: you have to tell LP what key to use/validate your package. For that you need (1) to have a keypair (2) to export it to the Ubuntu keyserver (3) to tell LP what is the fingerprint of your key
[19:50] <greg> yes im on step 2 and asked how I do that 10minutes ago
[19:50] <hggdh> greg: you ran 'gpg --fingerprint' and it did not return anything -- which means there is NO keys in your GPG setup
[19:50] <greg> yes ive remmedied that
[19:51] <hggdh> greg: OK, good. Did you export it to the Ubuntu keyserver?
[19:51] <greg> for the 5th time im asking how do I do that
[19:51] <greg> cause nowhere on launchpad I see tells me how
[19:52] <hggdh> You are right, and I am wrong. I give up
[19:52] <greg> right about what?
[19:54] <greg> that I've already asked this? that this information isn't easily accesible on launchpad?
[19:56] <sarnold> greg: try gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --send-keys keyid
[19:57] <greg> where keyid is the fingerprint?
[19:58] <sarnold> yes
[20:00] <greg> DIDNT WORK
[20:00] <greg> oops caps
[20:00] <lotuspsychje> !gpg | greg
[20:04] <greg> the thing hung. great
[20:06] <ioria> greg, i guess you're interested in the first link
[20:06] <ioria> greg, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[20:06] <gbit86> Does anyone know if it is possible to configure xkb to cancel the Shift key if BOTH shift keys are held down?
[20:06] <greg> yes I started over and tried to generate key again but now gpg just hangs
[20:08] <greg> so where do I go from here?
[20:09] <greg> why can't launchpad just take a login like a normal service
[20:11] <hggdh> greg: because you are creating a package, and packages require a known creator -- which is identified by the GPG key, and validated by LP
[20:12] <hggdh> and, BTW, this is how Debian-based packages work
[20:12] <greg> theres np reason they cany identify it from my launchpad account
[20:13] <hggdh> but they *can* and *are*. this is why you need to let LP know about your GPG key
[20:13] <greg> well im trying but gpg just hangs forever now
[20:14] <greg> it could just make me a gpg key on your end if it wants one so bad
[20:18] <greg> but I guess asking for good software is bit much if you cant even make working software
[20:29] <diamond_orb> I have booted from a Ubuntu ISO to have a look around. One of the things I can't see is any mention of themes? Are they supported please?
[20:29] <pragmaticenigma> diamond_orb: Can you explain what you mean by "themes"?
[20:30] <diamond_orb> pragmaticenigma I guess you could all it "window dressing" or a way to customize the look and feel of the desktop
[20:31] <ioria> diamond_orb, to change a theme you need indeed gnome-tweaks not installed by default  (or use gsettings)
[20:31] <diamond_orb> I know I can change the background, but can I customize the look?
[20:31] <ioria> i told you
[20:31] <pragmaticenigma> ioria: I think they're referring to Awadita theme to something else...
[20:31] <ioria> yes
[20:32] <diamond_orb> ioria sorry, posts crossed. Thanks for that.
[20:32] <pragmaticenigma> ioria: Is it no longer possible to select the theme in the control panel anymore?
[20:33] <ioria> pragmaticenigma, on 18.04, no
[20:33] <diamond_orb> Is it also possible to customize the spacing on the icons on the screen that comes up when you click the square of dots in the bottom corner (sorry not sure of the term - is it the "menu" ?
[20:33] <ioria> pragmaticenigma, heard something about 20.04
[20:33] <pragmaticenigma> diamond_orb: That one I do believe is also a setting in the gnome-tweaks tool
[20:35] <ioria> diamond_orb, we can call it 'show-apps'
[20:36] <diamond_orb> pragmaticenigma I can't find gnome tweaks in apt search or in Ubuntu Software which seems to back up that its not available in 18.04 (presumably gnome 3?)
[20:37] <pragmaticenigma> diamond_orb: In terminal "sudo apt install gnome-tweaks"
[20:38] <diamond_orb> ioria thanks. Show apps. Reminds me a bit of Android, just seems to be a lot of space wasted. I have a 27in monitor and it still takes 2 screens!
[20:38] <ioria> diamond_orb, works on the scaling factor, maybe ?
[20:39] <diamond_orb> pragmaticenigma "E: Unable to locate package gnome-tweaks"
[20:39] <ioria> !info gnome-tweaks
[20:39] <ioria> diamond_orb, enable universe
[20:39] <pragmaticenigma> diamond_orb: in terminal "sudo add-apt-repository universe"
[20:40] <ioria> and apt update after diamond_orb
[20:43] <pragmaticenigma> diamond_orb: in terminal "sudo add-apt-repository universe && sudo apt update && sudo apt install gnome-tweaks"
[20:43] <pragmaticenigma> hopefully now we got that all figured out
[20:43] <NotSatoshi> I am trying to access a remote Ubuntu server and I am curious if there are any firewalls enabled by default in Ubuntu?
[20:43] <diamond_orb> sudo thanks, yes, that worked. Just having a look at it.
[20:46] <hggdh> NotSatoshi: IIRC, UFW is installed by default on desktop images; if indeed I am correct, then also by default new incoming is blocked
[20:47] <pragmaticenigma> UFW is installed, I don't think it is active by default
[20:47] <hggdh> NotSatoshi: not sure about servers, though
[20:51] <avid_fan> NotSatoshi: my server does have UFW installed, and I don't recall doing it, so I'd say it does get installed by default. Like hggdh wrote, I don't think it's enabled by default.
[20:52] <diamond_orb> cryptodan_mobile hi, fancy seeing you here.....
[20:53] <diamond_orb> UFW seems to be "installed" and running on the CD image. Not sure how to check whether it is actually enabled though.
[20:54] <hggdh> diamond_orb: sudo ufw status
[20:54] <diamond_orb> hggdh thnx. That reports Status: inactive, so although the daemon is runnning, its inactive.
[20:58] <NotSatoshi> hggdh: it is inactive
[20:58] <cryptodan_mobile> diamond_orb: how do we know each other
[20:58] <NotSatoshi> avid_fan: as it is inactive...it shouldn't be doing anything right?
[21:03] <diamond_orb> NotSatoshi could also be something configured in tcpwrapper
[21:03] <diamond_orb> cryptodan_mobile I'm not using the same nick, but from another distro support forum. You helped me out in the past.
[21:05] <NotSatoshi> diamond_orb: fresh install. Doesn't look like it is installed
[21:08] <diamond_orb> NotSatoshi fair enough. It is on this CD desktop image although the two config files (hosts.allow and hosts.deny) are blank so its not doing anything. If its a fresh install it shouldn't be an factor.
[21:09] <TJ-> What's the issue NotSatoshi ? I missed the intro
[21:09] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UFW
[21:09] <oerheks> it is installed, just enable it and add rules
[21:11] <NotSatoshi> TJ-: I am trying to access a rails server on a fresh install. I am trying to determine if this is a rails issue or a ubuntu issue
[21:11] <NotSatoshi> I know I can access rails locally, but I am not certain what is blocking me from accessing it on a remote server
[21:12] <TJ-> NotSatoshi: maybe it's only bound to localhost by default?
[21:12] <NotSatoshi> TJ-: Maybe... just checking to see if there is anything by default in ubuntu that would...looks like no
[21:13] <TJ-> NotSatoshi: on the rails system you can check if it is only bound to <IP_ADDRESS> (localhost) or to all addresses (<IP_ADDRESS>) using "sudo ss -tnlp"
[21:15] <NotSatoshi> TJ-: while rails is running you mean?
[21:15] <NotSatoshi> TJ-: I am guessing this means it is:
[21:15] <NotSatoshi> LISTEN          0                128                               <IP_ADDRESS>:3000                            <IP_ADDRESS>:*               users:(("ruby",pid=26861,fd=14))
[21:15] <TJ-> NotSatoshi: indeed
[21:15] <TJ-> NotSatoshi: there's your problem
[21:16] <NotSatoshi> ok good. Thank you for helping me eliminate that one
[21:16] <TJ-> NotSatoshi: only listening on <IP_ADDRESS>:3000 (localhost) so you need to reconfigure it to listen on all interfaces (or selected interfaces)
[21:16] <NotSatoshi> TJ-: Yeah...looks like I will need to dive into nginx
[21:21] <NotSatoshi> TJ-: Success :-)
[21:21] <NotSatoshi> thanks everyone I am online
[21:21] <TJ-> NotSatoshi: Yay
[21:21] <NotSatoshi> \q
[21:22] <oerheks> !cheesecake | TJ-
[21:22] <TJ-> !allergies :D
[21:37] <tekk> anyone here using gocryptfs and know if it has limitations with multiple consumers (readonly mode)
[21:37] <diamond_orb> which runs better on Ubuntu desktop - Cinnamon or KDE plasma?
[21:38] <oerheks> diamond_orb, only you can tell, with your hardware
[21:40] <diamond_orb> oerheks just wondered whether either one of them is particularly problematic and not worth bothering with. if not, then probably will test both
[21:41] <diamond_orb> oerheks but fair point
[21:42] <oerheks> KDE has a larger userbase, Cinnamon is not that old,  i think KDE can be more heavy.
[21:42] <oerheks> but this all depends on hardware, milage may vary
[21:45] <ducasse> diamond_orb: cinnamon is based on gnome 3 tech, and is not that much lighter afaik
[21:45] <diamond_orb> thanks for the observation. Did read about KDE plasma recently and the review seemed very positive and indicated considerable perfomance improvements
[21:46] <diamond_orb> seemed like it was worth considering, at least on the main desktop PC which should run it with no problem
[21:54] <diamond_orb> thanks all and goodnight.
[22:30] <codecutter> unable to issue a command because of line 3 https://pastebin.com/dHmD5pTa
[22:31] <codecutter> cd wo-bash: cannot create temp file for here-document: No space left on device
[22:31] <codecutter> assuming thats has something to do with line 3
[22:31] <codecutter> i maybe wrong
[22:31] <sarnold> codecutter: apt-get autoclean may free up enough space to let you do something useful to clear up other stuff
[22:33] <codecutter> this is the first time this happened how do i find out its cause?
[22:33] <oerheks> does 'mount' show any partition mounted RO ?
[22:33] <codecutter> that cmd does not help
[22:34] <oerheks> likely it is closed dirty, or other nasty bytes https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilesystemTroubleshooting
[22:34] <codecutter> https://pastebin.com/HMY1QbAn
[22:34] <TJ-> codecutter: try "df -h" --- is the mount that contains /tmp/ at 100% usage?
[22:34] <TJ-> codecutter: also check "df -i" to check inode usage
[22:35] <codecutter> df -h -> https://pastebin.com/dHmD5pTa
[22:35] <TJ-> codecutter: "/dev/vda1        30G   30G     0 100% / "
[22:35] <codecutter> is that swap?
[22:36] <TJ-> codecutter: so, clear out some space. check where it's being used with "sudo du -hd 2 / | sort -h"
[22:36] <TJ-> codecutter: "/" is the root file-system, that contains the /tmp/ directory, which would be where bash tries to create the temporary file for the here doc
[22:43] <codecutter> I deleted following which has cleared things up, drwxr-x--- 2 tomcat tomcat  4096 Aug 18  2019 logs
[22:43] <sarnold> how will you debug problems with your tomcat?
[22:43] <codecutter> how do i recreate logs with same cred/
[22:44] <codecutter> sarnold ^
[22:44] <sarnold> sudo mkdir logs ; sudo chown tomcat:tomcat logs ; sudo chmod 750 logs
[22:59] <clarkk> I have installed dnscrypt, and have confirmed that dnscrypt-proxy.service and dnscrypt-proxy.socket are enabled using systemctl.  When I run  "systemctl restart dnscrypt-proxy", though, nothing seems to happen - there's no output (and name resolution doesn't work - but that's another problem).
[22:59] <clarkk> Can someone tell me how to confirm that the service is running correctly, please?
[23:00] <clarkk> Actually, I pressed the return key, and received this output  Failed to restart dnscrypt-proxycd.service: Unit dnscrypt-proxycd.service not found.
[23:00] <clarkk> Failed to restart var.mount: Unit var.mount not found.
[23:00] <theborger> hello guys need help. trying to add a second nic card to 18.04 and setup bonding. but i cant get the 2nd nic card to show up in ifconfig
[23:01] <sarnold> systemctl status dnscrypt-proxy  or journalctl -ex -u dnscrypt-proxy may be useful
[23:01] <clarkk> sarnold, thanks - I'll try that.  Sorry, that output above is incorrect. The command contained a typo. Will follow your advice. brb
[23:07] <dnivra> Hello everyone! How can I change the size of the font in address bar and the title displayed in the tab bar of firefox? It's really small(https://ibin.co/5DiBaP1E7UCs.png) and quite difficult to read compared to the other text. I tried changing a few settings on firefox and system font settings but didn't work so not sure which setting to change.
[23:09] <clarkk> Thanks, sarnold - it seems to be running now, and systemctl / dnscrypt has tested the dns servers and stated it will use the one with lowest latency. My problem is now, when I change my system dns to <IP_ADDRESS> and restart NetworkManager, name resolution stops working
[23:10] <clarkk> where can I posted my netstat output?
[23:10] <theborger> also i am unable to run auto interfacename.  what package do i need to add for "auto, iface etc to work?"
[23:10] <theborger> clarkk: pastebin
[23:11] <clarkk> thanks.  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/65xZZw5XPP/    how can I tell if it's dnscrypt on port 53?  Why are there two services listed for that port?
[23:13] <sarnold> clarkk: systemd-resolved binds to <IP_ADDRESS> -- are you still using that?
[23:15] <theborger> can someone please lend me some help?
[23:16] <jeremy31> theborger: ask a different question
[23:16] <theborger> jeremy31: i have asked 2
[23:16] <jeremy31> theborger: running a server?
[23:17] <theborger> yes. i just need help getting the 2nd network card up and working please
[23:17] <theborger> the bonding i can handle i think. i've got good info on it
[23:18] <jeremy31> theborger: you might want to ask in #ubuntu-server
[23:20] <theborger> jeremy31: thaks
[23:21] <theborger> thanks
[23:34] <clarkk> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6y35tZF79v/
[23:34] <clarkk> How do I determine whether 1/init is actually dnscrypt?
[23:35] <sarnold> did you configure systemd to use socket activation for dns?
[23:36] <clarkk> not explicitly.  I'm not sure how I'd do that
[23:37] <clarkk> I just followed this  https://www.linuxuprising.com/2018/10/install-and-enable-dnscrypt-proxy-2-in.html
[23:37] <sarnold> is this 1/init message coming from within a docker or similar thing?
[23:39] <clarkk> No, I don't think so.   However, I've just noticed I made an error - I should be using <IP_ADDRESS> for my resolver rather than localhost
[23:39] <clarkk> brb


[00:42] <stephen_> any luck with pandaboard and the oneric ti-omap repo?
[00:43] <stephen_> I have added them and installed the packages, seem to have a dependancy issue with ubuntu-extras-multimedia and totem now crashes...
[00:57] <jkfangTW> I tried ubuntu-Maverick ( 10.10) on pandaboard with 1080p hardware decoder.
[00:57] <jkfangTW> Does anyone has the same experience ?
[01:03] <twb> jkfangTW: if you have a problem, describe the problem
[01:04] <jkfangTW> twb: I can display 1080p video properly in fullscreen. But it will fail on window-mode, especially when the window is smaller then the actual size of the video.
[01:05] <jkfangTW> Have you idea why this will happen ?
[01:07] <twb> Not me, sorry
[01:09] <jkfangTW> It's okay. I think a lot people want the patch of this problem......
[13:07] <WaltherFI> Hello again, I posted the Raspberry Pi thing to the forums to get some publicity :) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11421007#post11421007
[13:46] <ogra_> WaltherFI, hmm, i thought i was clear ... raspberry-pi support wont and cant happen unless they change their cpu
[13:47] <ogra_> (or someone does a port on his own dime)
[13:49] <ogra_> WaltherFI, and your questions were alreadey answered in bug 848154 in september
[13:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 848154 in ubuntu "ARM version not supporting V6 RaspPi" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/848154
[13:50] <WaltherFI> Ah, I didn't look at the bug database
[19:32] <highvoltage> ogra_: would hardware like this work ok with Ubuntu? I'm tempted to get one and try to put together an unofficial Edubuntu installer for it: http://news.in.msn.com/technology/article.aspx?cp-documentid=5564859
[20:02] <GrueMaster> highvoltage: If youwant, you can add it to the wish list on http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/meeting/19541/ubuntu-arm-p-one-consumer-device-per-cycle/
[20:02] <GrueMaster> Currently, we have no support for it.
[21:05] <highvoltage> GrueMaster: thanks, will do


[04:42] <magnuslu> Hi. I've downloaded the 12.10 Edubuntu DVD 64bit ISO. I have configured grub to boot from ISO. I reach the login screen. What's the login and password? I tried ubuntu and edubuntu with no password, but they were not accepted.
[04:43] <magnuslu> Btw... I did the same with Ubuntu Studio with the same issue.
[04:50] <alkisg> Booting from the CD prompts you for a password? It shouldn't, it should autologin instead
[04:50] <magnuslu> I boot from ISO on the HDD, if that makes any difference
[04:51] <alkisg> I'm guessing that it shouldn't
[04:51] <alkisg> The only 2 reasons I can think of are:
[04:51] <alkisg> 1) blame the "booting from .iso on hd", or, more possibly,
[04:52] <alkisg> 2) that the session crashes and you get logged out
[04:52] <alkisg> One reason to get a session crash could be incompatible xorg drivers, e.g. with no 3d support
[04:52] <magnuslu> In the Grub Customizer, by default the following kernel params are set:
[04:52] <magnuslu> bootkbd=us console-setup/layoutcode=us user-setup/encrypt-home=true noeject --
[04:52] <magnuslu> I don't think they are to blame though...
[04:53] <alkisg> magnuslu: press alt+ctrl+f1 to see the ubuntu@pc prompt, and then `cat /proc/cmdline`
[04:53] <magnuslu> OK. I'll try that.
[04:54] <alkisg> magnuslu: also, what graphics card?
[04:54] <alkisg> `lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA` will tell you in detail...
[04:55] <magnuslu> Note that Ubuntu 12.10 and XBMCbuntu work fine on the same workstation
[04:55] <alkisg> magnuslu: from grub?
[04:55] <alkisg> *grub + iso, I mean
[04:56] <magnuslu> No. Grub + 'normal' installation
[04:56] <magnuslu> Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0102] (rev 09) 	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:844d] 	Kernel driver in use: i915
[04:56] <alkisg> OK intel shouldn't have any problems running 3d desktop environments
[04:56] <alkisg> So yeah check the command line
[04:56] <magnuslu> Will reboot then... I'm now on my 'standard' Ubuntu
[04:56] <magnuslu> thx for the tip
[04:57] <alkisg> magnuslu: moment
[04:57] <alkisg> Also check /var/log/Xorg* log for errors, and the ubuntu user home dir for ~/.xsession-errors
[04:57] <alkisg> (i.e. alt+ctrl+f1, cat .xsession-errors)
[04:58] <alkisg> The easiest way to see if #1 or #2 is to blame though could be burning the .iso
[05:00] <magnuslu> ok
[05:01] <magnuslu> I'll try to check the logs first, if that fails, I'll burn the ISO on DVD and try that way
[05:01] <alkisg> If it works with the dvd, put the cmdline to grub
[05:01] <alkisg> E.g. some code might break if it doesn't see vt_handoff in the cmdline, dunno
[07:42] <magnuslu> @alkisg
[07:44] <magnuslu> I resolved my booting from ISO image on HDD via GRUB issue. I had to add 'boot=casper' to the kernel params. This was not set by default by the Grub Customizer, but I found some samples that showed this, so now it works (as does Ubuntu Studio ISO booting).
[07:45] <magnuslu> Now I'm looking at making them persistent as well, then I'm done. I so look forward to having plenty of distros available without excessive installation/partitioning through ISOs!
[07:50] <alkisg> magnuslu: persistent? do you mean for them to be able to save updates etc like normal installations?
[07:50] <magnuslu> Yes
[07:50] <alkisg> Err I don't think that plan is worth the trouble
[07:51] <magnuslu> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCD/Persistence
[07:51] <alkisg> After a few updates you won't be using anything from the original .iso anyway
[07:52] <magnuslu> I wouldn't upgrade the Ubuntu version, most likely, but I might want to add a couple of packages. After all I'll have the Edubuntu ISO dedicated to my daughter, and Ubuntu Studio for my fun with Video/Photo/Graphics... All other activities would still be on my 'standard' Ubuntu installation.
[07:53] <alkisg> The updates from 12.04.1 currently are 300+ MB in deb form
[07:54] <alkisg> So the .iso + the casper-rw file would exceed the size of e.g. a compressed btrfs loopback installation
[07:55] <magnuslu> Actually, it's mainly to be able to save preferences in the applications that I have. Not really for massive upgrades.
[07:55] <magnuslu> Without persistence it's like starting from scratch at every boot.
[07:56] <alkisg> You could just reuse your existing /home dir for user preferences
[07:56] <magnuslu> Any link to how to do that?
[07:57] <alkisg> I don't have any links handy, no. Anyways, /me gets afk to do some work...
[07:57] <magnuslu> ok thx
[16:02] <jesse__> Hello
[16:02] <jesse__> Can anyone help me with ltsp


[12:22] <Fluor> Soooo... Is ubuntu-mirrors already on libera.chat? :>
[12:23] <maswan> well, I think it'll take a little while for ubuntu to sort out registration, groups, channel ownership, etc
[12:24] <maswan> I'm giving it until about next week before I'll shut down my connection to freenode, for slow-moving channels. leaving the ACC freenode server running until then too, even though I do not have any stomach for running anything for the "new management"
[12:26] <Fluor> :<
[12:26] <Fluor> it's a sad day. i also had no idea this was happening until i received that wallops msg from jesse just now.
[12:26] <maswan> I knew it was on its way, but I hope it could have been resolved
[16:18] <xnox> Fluor:  i'd rather move to something like matrix chat aka like mozilla / kde / fosdem
[16:19] <xnox> Fluor:  are they going to run libera.chat over matrix too with full bridging and private messages between either irc & matrix users?
[16:27] <Fluor> i'm not sure m8. the new network boasting freedom, i think it will probably come later on. they're just starting and now having to deal with massive spambot attacks et al... :/


[08:37] <petroT> Howdy
[16:28] <bjsnider> he's got an ipv6 address
[16:28] <bjsnider> i'm slightly envious
[16:57] <jakubo> hi, there
[16:57] <jakubo> im still having trouble resetting sound to its former loudness.
[16:57] <jakubo> is there a way to do it without alsamixer? (and without reinstallation?)


[04:00] <daffy1234> knome, that stinks. Is there any way to go about converting to btrfs without a full reinstall?
[06:43] <Babloyi> arrrrghhhhh....why don't python people just decide which python they want to use, and stick with it...instead, I have to constantly deal with errors because some imported thing was imported in 2 or 3 and what I'm doing doesn't run
[06:43] <Babloyi> I keep running into conflicts in the terminal because I don't know for which version of python whatever I just installed works
[06:44] <Babloyi> and then it ends up being a tangled mess
[06:50] <pmjdebruijn> i'm not quite sure what you mean?
[06:50] <pmjdebruijn> v2 and v3 are seperated
[06:53] <pmjdebruijn> Babloyi: ?
[06:55] <Babloyi> maybe
[06:56] <Babloyi> but like stuff with pip
[06:56] <Babloyi> which pip will run when I pip?
[06:56] <Babloyi> it should've been 3, but I suspect it was 2
[06:56] <Babloyi> and every time I pip, I get a message that my pip is old
[06:56] <pmjdebruijn> did you need pip at all? aren't the libraries you need already packaged in the ubuntu repositories?
[06:56] <Babloyi> and now pip won't run at all
[06:57] <Babloyi> apparently panda is not
[06:57] <pmjdebruijn> python-pandas python3-pandas ?
[06:57] <Babloyi> I have to pip them like that?
[06:57] <pmjdebruijn> no
[06:58] <pmjdebruijn> those are the ubuntu packages
[06:58] <pmjdebruijn> where you can avoid pip
[06:58] <pmjdebruijn> completely
[06:59] <pmjdebruijn> also
[06:59] <pmjdebruijn> there's python-pip (pip/pip2)
[07:00] <pmjdebruijn> and python3-iip (pip3)
[07:00] <pmjdebruijn> which I guess both do the obvious thing
[07:01] <Babloyi> I installed both
[07:01] <Babloyi> and now pip doesn't work :D
[07:01] <Babloyi> neither does pip nor pip3
[07:01] <Babloyi> lets see if installing pandas directly works :D
[07:04] <Babloyi> now it tells me xlrd doesn't exist :/
[07:04] <Babloyi> I'm going to have to do this one by one for everything :(
[07:52] <Raj_> hi
[07:52] <Raj_> how to install the printer
[08:36] <pmjdebruijn> Babloyi: how does it not work? what error do you get? put it on pastebin?
[08:36] <pmjdebruijn> Babloyi: also if pip worked before, what did you do before it stopped working?
[08:37] <Babloyi> it was giving me an error that main does not exist, pmj
[08:37] <pmjdebruijn> what exactly
[08:37] <Babloyi> but I installed pandas directly
[08:37] <pmjdebruijn> thing is
[08:37] <Babloyi> so it isn't a problem anymore
[08:38] <pmjdebruijn> usually it's bad idea, to just find the way is least resistenace
[08:38] <pmjdebruijn> not sure what "manual" install entails
[08:38] <Babloyi> whatever works :D
[08:38] <pmjdebruijn> that's a bad attitude :)
[08:38] <pmjdebruijn> :D
[08:38] <Babloyi> ImportError: cannot import name 'main'
[08:38] <pmjdebruijn> kidding
[08:38] <Babloyi> is what it said when I tried running pip
[08:38] <Babloyi> or pip3
[08:38] <Babloyi> but it doesn't matter anymore, I guess
[08:38] <Babloyi> pip can go pip itself
[08:39] <pmjdebruijn> i'm sortof not sure pip is the real issue
[08:39]  * pmjdebruijn isn't a python expert either
[08:39] <pmjdebruijn> but i've never seen pip break yet
[08:40] <pmjdebruijn> Babloyi: you could run 'debsums -s' to see if some package was broken
[08:41] <Babloyi> thanks, 256kb extra used up now!
[08:42] <pmjdebruijn> ???
[08:42] <Babloyi> debsums wasn't installed, I had to install it :P
[08:42] <pmjdebruijn> it's very useful
[08:42] <Babloyi> ok :D
[08:43] <Babloyi> nice
[08:43] <Babloyi> lots of problems popping up
[08:43] <Babloyi> and debsums seems to be lost
[08:43] <pmjdebruijn> Babloyi: "lost"
[08:43] <pmjdebruijn> "lots of problems"
[08:43] <Babloyi> I wonder how long this is going to take :D
[08:43] <Babloyi> I mean it is hung
[08:44] <Babloyi> doing stuff
[08:44] <pmjdebruijn> if debsums shows you a lot of errors, you've got a deffective install
[08:44] <Babloyi> what does debsums do exactly :D
[08:44] <Babloyi> probably do
[08:44] <pmjdebruijn> -s = silent = only errors
[08:44] <Babloyi> ah
[08:44] <pmjdebruijn> it checks checksum of all packages
[08:44] <Babloyi> it repairs missing packages or something?
[08:44] <Babloyi> ah
[08:44] <pmjdebruijn> no only checks
[08:44] <pmjdebruijn> also
[08:44] <pmjdebruijn> the error you describe seems relevant to pip version 10
[08:44] <pmjdebruijn> ubuntu doesn't ship version 10
[08:44] <Babloyi> really? Because it is telling me "debsums: changed file ...."
[08:45] <Babloyi> 8.something, pmj
[08:45] <pmjdebruijn> Babloyi: pastebin
[08:45] <Babloyi> I got it to upgrade to 18
[08:45] <Babloyi> but that causes problems too
[08:45] <pmjdebruijn> huh?
[08:45] <Babloyi> debsums is still changing things
[08:45] <pmjdebruijn> debsums doesn't change anything
[08:46] <Babloyi> literally saying "debsums: changed file ..."
[08:46] <Babloyi> as output
[08:46] <pmjdebruijn> yes
[08:46] <Babloyi> for loads of things
[08:46] <pmjdebruijn> something changed it
[08:46] <pmjdebruijn> as oppossed to what it should be
[08:47] <pmjdebruijn> changed = past tense
[08:47] <Babloyi> so this list of things that are changed, should I repair them one by one?
[08:47] <pmjdebruijn> if that list is long, a system reinstall might be better
[08:47] <pmjdebruijn> again, pastebin that list
[08:48] <Babloyi> "warning parsing file ... missing maintainer" and  "changed file ..."
[08:48] <pmjdebruijn> Babloyi: please put the output on pastebin
[08:48] <Babloyi> missing maintainer is some old game I never got around to, I think
[08:48] <Babloyi> memoirencode :D
[08:48] <Babloyi> such a confusing technical name
[08:49] <pmjdebruijn> Babloyi: please put the entire output of debsums on pastebin.com
[08:49] <Babloyi> ok
[08:51] <Babloyi> https://hastebin.com/adugozusoy.java
[08:52] <pmjdebruijn> that's all?
[08:52] <Babloyi> yup
[08:52] <Babloyi> that not a lot?
[08:52] <Babloyi> how do you uninstall something in xubuntu? Want to get rid of memoir encode :D
[08:52] <pmjdebruijn> apt-get purge memoirencode:i386
[08:53] <pmjdebruijn> probably
[08:53] <pmjdebruijn> what does pip --version say and pip3 --version say
[08:54] <Babloyi> Traceback (most recent call last):
[08:54] <Babloyi>   File "/usr/bin/pip", line 9, in <module>
[08:54] <Babloyi>     from pip import main
[08:54] <Babloyi> ImportError: cannot import name main
[08:54] <Babloyi> oops
[08:54] <Babloyi> well, yeah
[08:55] <Babloyi> sorry :D
[08:55] <Babloyi> but yeah, that for both
[08:56] <Babloyi> pip3 one does /usr/bin/pip3 of course, but the rest is the same
[09:00] <pmjdebruijn> did you run 'sudo pip install pip --upgrade' by any chance?
[09:00] <pmjdebruijn> if so 'python3 -m pip uninstall pip' might fix it
[09:01] <Babloyi> I didn't sudo, but yeah
[09:01] <Babloyi> ok
[09:01] <pmjdebruijn> so that's what broke your pip
[09:01] <pmjdebruijn> if you get PIP from packages
[09:01] <pmjdebruijn> so should mess with it outside of packages
[09:01] <pmjdebruijn> so you shouldn't ...
[09:02] <pmjdebruijn> btw did you googled for that error, those suggestions is one of the first pages you'll get
[09:02] <Babloyi> but my package has pip as version 8.1.1
[09:02] <pmjdebruijn> so?
[09:02] <Babloyi> that's less than 10, which is old or something? :D
[09:02] <pmjdebruijn> so?
[09:03] <Babloyi> you said that was a problem :D
[09:03] <pmjdebruijn> I don't recall saying that
[09:03] <pmjdebruijn> pretty sure I didn't
[09:04] <Babloyi> ohyes
[09:04] <Babloyi> sorry
[09:04] <Babloyi> that was someone in the python channel
[09:04] <pmjdebruijn> bypassing the package system usually isn't a good idea
[09:05] <Babloyi> ok
[09:05] <pmjdebruijn> if you need a newer pip version, it's usually time to consider whether or not to upgrade to a newer version of ubuntu altogether
[09:05] <pmjdebruijn> where everything is newer
[09:05] <pmjdebruijn> not just one package
[09:05] <Babloyi> yeah, I'm still on 16.04
[09:05] <Babloyi> waiting on the LTS upgrade
[09:05] <pmjdebruijn> which isn't a problem per se
[09:05] <pmjdebruijn> Babloyi: it's available IIRC
[09:05] <Babloyi> which will never come :(
[09:05] <Babloyi> nope
[09:06] <pmjdebruijn> considering you've been messing around with your system a fair bit, consider reinstalling if you can spare the time :)
[09:06] <pmjdebruijn> but you can force the upgrade btw
[09:06] <Babloyi> yeah, but that causes problems sometimes
[09:06] <Babloyi> was considering reinstalling
[09:06] <Babloyi> when the upgrade showed up :D
[09:07] <Babloyi> As for right now..."Checking for a new Ubuntu release. No new release found." :(
[10:53] <rockyh> hello! How to enable the system bell in Xubuntu 16.04?
[10:54] <rockyh> which can ring, for example, when the bell character is printed on terminal, or when an error is generated
[10:56] <rockyh> in the Audio settings I only found settings related to the Audio card, rather than the system sounds
[11:50] <xubuntu51w> I can't seem to install 'gcolor2'. I've tried snap, apt-get, and even downloaded it from Sourceforge. I know that Xubuntu comes with gpick, but most times I prefer the simplicity of gcolor2.
[11:55] <Spass> xubuntu51w, I'm not using gcolor2, but your other option is to configure gpick and disable some not wanted things, make it simpler
[11:56] <Spass> does gcolor2 show some errors when you want to run it?
[11:56] <Spass> (from the terminal)
[11:58] <Spass> gcolor2 is no longer in the newest repos, but you can still download the DEB directly from here: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gcolor&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[12:00] <Spass> it's not guaranteed to work on 16.10+, it may have some missing dependencies
[12:50] <xubuntu51w> when i download it, the terminal says 'no'  /usr/bin/gcolor2, no such file or directory
[13:52] <qwebirc97168> hello i have a question about non pae kernel
[13:52] <qwebirc97168> is 12.04 the latest version of non pae xubuntu?
[13:56] <genii> "Lubuntu and Xubuntu offered a PAE and a non-PAE release up to and including 12.04, but from 12.10 only the PAE releases are maintained. " https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE
[13:57] <Unit193> And I might add, that version is out of support.
[14:18] <Invisible> Hello
[14:18] <Invisible> Anyone here?
[14:19] <pleia2> Invisible: people tend to come out of the woodwork when you ask a question they think they can answer :) did you have a question about Xubuntu?
[14:19] <Invisible>  <--having trouble with Acer laptop install (blew away Windoze) v18LTS
[14:19] <Invisible> efi issues, no doubt
[14:20] <Invisible> usb version boots/works
[14:21] <Invisible> install fails typically on grub2 install at install of efi
[14:21] <Invisible> apparently it is a common problem
[14:21] <Invisible> but none of the solutions I have seen on the forums seem to work
[14:23] <pmjdebruijn> Invisible: have you updated your laptop to it's latest available EFI?
[14:23] <pmjdebruijn> Invisible: is it a 64bit EFI?
[14:23] <Invisible> running try number 11 now
[14:23] <pmjdebruijn> some supercheap laptops have a 32bit EFI
[14:23] <pmjdebruijn> Invisible: was the preinstalled Windows version 32bit or 64bit?
[14:23] <Invisible> laptop is new...no updates...formated away windoze 10
[14:23] <Invisible> 64 bit
[14:23] <pmjdebruijn> then EFI should be 64bit too
[14:23] <pmjdebruijn> good
[14:24] <pmjdebruijn> you might need to reinstall Windows to update EFI though
[14:24] <pmjdebruijn> not sure what option Acer might give you
[14:24] <Invisible> is a Slim 1 laptop...dual core...be surprised if it has any 32 bit
[14:24] <pmjdebruijn> spin 1?
[14:25] <Invisible> Reinstall Windoze may not be an option.  This unit came with no media.
[14:25] <pmjdebruijn> many cheap laptop (like 300EUR) are EFI crippled
[14:25] <Invisible> I know I can't change the bios from efi
[14:25] <Invisible> boots the usb just fine, though
[14:26] <Invisible> runs xubuntu OK from usb
[14:27] <Invisible> yep...spin 1
[14:27] <pmjdebruijn> presumably it has eMMC
[14:27] <Invisible> yes
[14:27] <pmjdebruijn> are you using 18.04.1 media?
[14:28] <Invisible> latest one...LTS version
[14:28] <Invisible> 18-something
[14:28] <Invisible> downloaded yesterday
[14:28] <Invisible> 64 bit version
[14:29] <pmjdebruijn> that should be 18.04.1, but do check it
[14:29] <pmjdebruijn> no need to be vague
[14:29] <pmjdebruijn> Invisible: what BIOS/EFI version does your laptop have 1.0.8 ?
[14:30] <Invisible> not sure
[14:30] <Invisible> how can I check
[14:30] <pmjdebruijn> boot into your EFI
[14:30] <Invisible> <--not good with efi
[14:30] <pmjdebruijn> <--not good with your particular laptop
[14:30] <Invisible> how do I "boot into efi"
[14:30] <pmjdebruijn> Invisible: i'm sure it has a manual
[14:31] <Invisible> Yep...read it in 6 seconds.  Plug it in.  Mash the power button.
[14:31] <pmjdebruijn> https://au.answers.acer.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/7550/~/changing-boot-order
[14:31] <pmjdebruijn> maybe that works
[14:31] <Invisible> Then there were 4 other pages of the same in different languages
[14:32] <Invisible> I can get into the machine startup bios, if that's what you mean
[14:32] <pmjdebruijn> yes
[14:32] <Invisible> Have to kill this session first
[14:32] <pmjdebruijn> it's EFI these days
[14:33] <Invisible> Install failed, by the way on creating config file
[14:35] <pmjdebruijn> do you still have the exact error message that was generated?
[14:37]  * pmjdebruijn wonders how well the ubuntu installers has been tested with eMMC
[14:37] <pmjdebruijn> given that that's a very recent thing, exclusively on very low end machines
[14:37] <Invisible_> OK...back, I think
[14:38] <pmjdebruijn> and?
[14:38] <Invisible_> In boot setup
[14:38] <Invisible_> System BIOS verson 1.05
[14:38] <pmjdebruijn> so that's fairly old
[14:38] <pmjdebruijn> updating it MIGHT solve your issue, or it might not
[14:38] <pmjdebruijn> it will however fix some of the CPU security vulnerabilities
[14:38] <pmjdebruijn> or at least mitigate, but that's another matter altogether
[14:39] <pmjdebruijn> so I would considering updating the EFI anyhow
[14:39] <pmjdebruijn> and I would update it before taking the device into general use
[14:39] <Invisible_> OK...since I have to call Acer for that, I guess I'll look into restoring windows 10
[14:39] <pmjdebruijn> as for ubuntu install failing
[14:39] <pmjdebruijn> do you still have the error message?
[14:40] <Invisible_> Not at the moment.  But it is during the grub2 install.  I think it was something like freezing at "Installing grub2_efi_x64"
[14:41] <Invisible_> near the end of the process...after the kernel and ram configurations
[14:41] <pmjdebruijn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUbiquity
[14:41] <pmjdebruijn> that might be helpful
[14:41] <pmjdebruijn> particular /var/log/installer
[14:41] <pmjdebruijn> and trying to run 'ubiquity -d'
[14:43] <Invisible_> tough to run once it freezes...I could try booting with the USB and see if the log is intact
[14:44] <pmjdebruijn> huh?
[14:44] <pmjdebruijn> so if you reboot any logs be gone
[14:44] <pmjdebruijn> but
[14:44] <pmjdebruijn> does the entire machine freeze?
[14:45] <pmjdebruijn> not just the installer?
[14:49] <pmjdebruijn> Invisible_: btw, did you disable Secure Boot ?
[14:49] <pmjdebruijn> while it shouldn't be needed, some people do refer to doing that
[14:52] <Invisible_> I have tried with secure enabled and disabled
[14:53] <pmjdebruijn> Invisible_: are you sure the entire system froze?
[14:53] <Invisible_> and tried enabling and pointing the efi DB to a file in /boot/efi
[14:53] <pmjdebruijn> efi db?
[14:54] <Invisible_> Not certain...but when running the install from the usb without booting xubuntu first, it is not possible to get to a terminal
[14:54] <pmjdebruijn> oh
[14:54] <pmjdebruijn> just boot into the live environment
[14:54] <pmjdebruijn> you can run ubiquity from there
[14:54] <Invisible_> if you have security on, you can go to the boot menu and point it to a .wri file created by the install
[14:54] <pmjdebruijn> the logging might explain
[14:55] <Invisible_> I did that once....can do it again to use a terminal....will try that.
[14:56] <Invisible_> acer says I'm hosed as far as getting windoze back...have to create a restore disk FIRST before doing anything else.
[14:56] <Invisible_> would have been good to know BEFORE I did the first linux install
[14:57] <pmjdebruijn> if you get a new laptop it's usually a good idea to run bios/efi update stuff
[14:57] <pmjdebruijn> as with most cheap laptops it's windows only
[14:57] <pmjdebruijn> same goes for Intel ME updates if available
[14:58] <pmjdebruijn> so you might want to check for that as well "Intel Management Engine"
[15:10] <Invisible_> OK...Acer is sending me (snail-mail) a new Windoze distro...
[15:12] <Invisible_> Meanwhile, I am running another install attempt after booting USB with secure boot OFF and Erase entire disk option
[15:18] <Invisible_> ok...should be approaching the crash point
[15:20] <Invisible_> yep...here it is:  ubuntuubiquity: Installing for x86_64-efi platform.
[15:20] <Invisible_> That's where it stops
[15:22] <Invisible_> WOAH!  It kept going
[15:22] <Invisible_> I'm blaming ALIENS!
[15:23] <Invisible_> Cleaning up temp directories now....seems to be making a meal of it.
[15:25] <Invisible_> Interesting.  That's the first time I ran it from the booted USB.  My usual procedure is to select INSTALL from the boot menu.
[15:25] <Invisible_> Still cleaning up temp directories
[15:25] <Invisible_> Seems to be taking its time
[15:29] <Invisible_> seems stuck now
[15:30] <Invisible_> system is running however
[15:36] <Invisible_> looks like a bug in the ubiquity script.  Went to deleting temp directories twice.  Now it is plowing through timeouts for directories that do not exist.
[15:36] <Invisible_> That'll take a while
[15:37] <Invisible_> Warning:  Source ID nnnn was not found when attempting to remove it.
[15:41] <Invisible_> Stopped it and booted.
[15:42] <Invisible_> right to the grub> prompt
[18:18] <FurretUber> Hi, what program is the responsible for running the keyboard shortcuts? Sometimes some of the keyboard shortcuts stop working and I don't know what may be wrong
[18:19] <FurretUber> This happens since a long time (Xubuntu 16.04 already had issues, now I'm using 18.04) and I can't find where it fails
[18:22] <FurretUber> I'm running xfsettingsd with debug option. To start xfsettingsd in debug mode I set it to run  "env XFSETTINGSD_DEBUG=1 xfsettingsd --replace --no-daemon" on startup of the session
[18:23] <FurretUber> Is there another program (as xfconfd) that I should set to run in debug mode (if available)?
[18:49] <xubuntu20w> Help In download there is no complete grub package!


[00:03] <fedy_lice> hello i am a new ubuntu users and I was looking for addition resources to learn ubuntu.
[00:03] <fedy_lice> through ubuntu, tutorials, or learning session.
[00:05] <sdollins> ummm, i'd recommend this book:
[00:05] <sdollins> http://www.amazon.com/Ubuntu-11-04-Desktop-Applications-Administration/dp/1936280280/
[00:05] <sdollins> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/All_Versions this is also apparently helpful.
[00:05] <fedy_lice> ahhh yes
[00:10] <fedy_lice> I try the chat rooms to find information about the ubuntu community learning project and classroom but it slow right now
[00:11] <charlie-tca> fedy_lice: next week is a lot of things happening in classroom, with Ubuntu Developer Week
[00:12] <thewrath> hey all
[00:12] <fedy_lice> okay I look it up on their website
[00:12] <thewrath> how can i determine what passwords people are attempting to use when they log into my system
[00:12] <thewrath> i have a honeypot
[00:12] <thewrath> and want to know what common passwords people are using
[00:12] <charlie-tca> fedy_lice: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek
[00:12] <fedy_lice> ty
[00:13] <thewrath> they are all failing
[00:14] <fedy_lice> Ubuntu Developer Week July 11th 2011 to July 15th 2011!
[00:17] <fedy_lice> does any one familiar with Lernid?
[00:33] <zkriesse> fedy_lice: I'im sort of familiar with it
[00:36] <fedy_lice> it slow where iam at right now I was trying to take the opportunity to learn Ubuntu.
[00:37] <fedy_lice> I just stumble on to it and i guess its a learning application as well.
[00:37] <fedy_lice> for ubuntu
[00:41] <zkriesse> fedy_lice: Yeah that's what it is
[00:41] <zkriesse> For ubuntu classroom sessions
[01:04] <fedy_lice> ty
[02:21] <tenach> wb
[03:35] <krisza> hello! im really new to ubuntu
[03:35] <Abhijit> hi
[03:36] <krisza> do you have any good books to suggest in learning ubuntu codes?
[03:37] <krisza> totally new to ubuntu here
[03:38] <holstein> krisza: codes?... i think folks usually suggest learning python
[03:39] <Abhijit> krisza, what do you mean by ubuntu codes?
[03:39] <krisza> the sudo kind of thing
[03:40] <Abhijit> those are comands
[03:40] <holstein> yeah... just get something you want to do, and google or ask how to do it
[03:40] <Abhijit> krisza, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/07/top-terminal-commands-newbie/
[03:41] <krisza> okay
[03:42] <krisza> im an experienced windows user, but totally new to linux. and i just want to learn linux
[03:45] <tachyonical> krisza, check out unixmages.com
[03:47] <krisza> wow thanks!
[03:47] <krisza> i'll be casting my first spell soon! lol
[03:47] <tachyonical> :-)
[03:51] <krisza> okay. thanks for the help guys
[04:14] <fedy> hello i setup a dual boot machine with ubuntu and windows, I have a security question about setup a password protect for the Grub bootloader
[04:51] <benonsoftware> HI all
[04:52] <Abhijit> hi
[04:52] <zkriesse_> benonsoftware: If you're looking to ask questions about joining the team etc please join and ask in #ubuntu-beginners-team
[05:20] <tachyonical> what is "the team"?
[05:25] <zkriesse_> tachyonical: The Ubuntu Beginners Team?
[05:26] <tachyonical> Ah ok, I googled that so now I know. Thanks. :-)
[05:26] <zkriesse_> :)
[05:26] <zkriesse_> I can give you links unless you got them already :P
[05:26] <zkriesse_> Google is great for that :D
[05:26] <tachyonical> found this one https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/
[05:27] <zkriesse_> there ya go :D
[05:28] <zkriesse_> Main link :) links to the sub-pages will be there
[05:28] <tachyonical> Thankies
[05:28] <zkriesse_> Indeed
[05:28] <zkriesse_> :)
[09:21] <s-fox> Hello.
[09:26] <IAmNotThatGuy> Hola s-fox
[09:26] <s-fox> Hello IAmNotThatGuy . :)
[09:27] <IAmNotThatGuy> How are you s-fox ? how is life?
[10:51] <duanedesign> hey IAmNotThatGuy !
[10:52] <IAmNotThatGuy> heya duanedesign
[10:52] <IAmNotThatGuy> busy guy
[10:52] <IAmNotThatGuy> :P
[14:29] <jimmie> Has anyone here installed Goober?