[00:02]  * shtylman is thinking it is time to try a clean install of the new alpha...oh this will be failue...I can smell it :)
[01:37] <xivulon1> so I finally been able to do a full installation in my vm...
[01:38] <xivulon1> update-grub has to be fixed slightly but otherwise things seem ok
[01:39] <xivulon1> main issue is that I get almost consistent fs corruption (for the loopfile) at each reboot...
[01:39] <xivulon1> will investigate that in the coming days
[01:40] <xivulon1> also have an error when inserting i915, but should be orthogonal to wubi and I guess you know about it already
[01:40] <xivulon1> cjwatson ^
[01:42] <xivulon1> thanks soren for the kvm tips
[02:46] <shtylman> cjwatson: you around?
[03:14] <shtylman> cjwatson: well...im gonna sleep some...but I am in the middle of an alpha 5 install..actually just need to install grub2 at this point. LP #420992 is stopping me. I am still in the install livecd system and would like to help work on or create a fix for installing grub onto dmraid devices. I can use the debbug patch as a starting point if you can point me in the right direction for which source package to work with (aka...the
[03:14] <shtylman>  source package that does that text-based grub installer) ... thanks and I will see if I can come up with a fix :)
[08:36] <StevenK> evand: Hey! I installed UNR via Wubi and it doesn't boot with "Unable to find a medium containing a live file system"
[08:39] <evand> StevenK: it's my day off, but I have a few minutes.  Can you post the casper.log on pastebin?
[08:40] <StevenK> evand: It has "/init: line 1: can't open /dev/sr0: No medium found"
[08:41]  * StevenK makes sure to select the CD is mounted
[08:42] <evand> select the CD is mounted?  I don't follow.
[08:43] <StevenK> evand: Sorry, I'm fiddling in VirtualBox
[08:43] <evand> it shouldn't need the CD drive at all
[08:43] <evand> it copies the ISO to disk
[08:45] <StevenK> evand: How is a good way to debug this?
[08:47] <evand> StevenK: given that a regular install is working just fine for me, compare what wubi is producing for UNR vs a regular Ubuntu install
[08:48] <evand> make sure the kernel command lines match up and that all the paths exist
[08:48] <davmor2> evand: morning
[08:48] <evand> davmor2: good morning
[08:50] <davmor2> evand: would it be okay to play with wubi on unr today see if we can't get it to work by the end of the day?
[08:50] <evand> davmor2: sure, but I'm not available to help.  Today's my day off and I'm going into town in a few minutes.
[08:50] <StevenK> davmor2: I just tried it, it doesn't boot, but it does install
[08:51] <davmor2> StevenK: Yeah that was the issue I had before
[08:51] <davmor2> evand: okay how about Monday instead then :)
[08:51] <evand> davmor2: sure
[08:51] <davmor2> Be nice to get it working :)
[08:52] <StevenK> davmor2, evand: I'll leave it to you two, then :-)
[08:53] <davmor2> evand: out of interest the grub issue was it in the wubi package?   and did you upload it so I can pull it and try it out.  Or is it still in the works?
[08:53] <evand> davmor2: it'll be on the next CD spin
[08:53] <evand> alternatively you can pull it from http://people.ubuntu.com/~evand/wubi/karmic/
[08:53] <davmor2> evand: Okay cool :)
[08:54] <davmor2> I'll have a play and let you know monday :)
[08:55] <evand> good deal
[08:55] <evand> thanks
[09:04] <cjwatson> shtylman: well, how about I make that the next bug I try to fix?
[09:05] <cjwatson> hmm, I thought somebody said there was a patch for dmraid in the Debian bug, but it's just for multipath AFAICS
[09:07]  * cjwatson breaks out Luke's test dmraid qcow2 images
[09:25] <xivulon> evand, cjwatson left a msg yesterday night ^^
[09:26] <xivulon> have also played a bit with loopback function of grub2
[09:27] <xivulon> I can list the content of the disk image, which is encouraging
[09:27] <xivulon> (using loop   ext2 grub modules)
[09:29] <xivulon> but if I try to access a dir therein e.g. ls (loopdev)/etc => error: out of disk
[09:29] <xivulon> does that sound familiar?
[09:36] <cjwatson> no - I can't reproduce it with a small test image
[09:36] <cjwatson> (using grub-emu)
[09:36] <cjwatson> if there's any way I can reproduce this without a full wubi installation, that would be good
[09:37] <cjwatson> what's the exact text of the error message?
[09:37] <xivulon> "out of disk"
[09:37] <cjwatson> ah, there it is
[09:38] <cjwatson> so that actually means out of range
[09:38] <xivulon> It might be related to the ext4 corruption problem mentioned earlier though, will try again tonight ensuring that I run this on a clean partition
[09:38] <cjwatson> do you know whether LBA is enabled on the containing disk?
[09:39] <yann|work> I narrowed my problem to "apt-get install <task>^" not finding any task, even "minimal"
[09:39] <xivulon> hmm didn't check that
[09:40] <yann|work> strace seems to show that it is looking inside the Package files, unlike tasksel
[09:40] <cjwatson> xivulon: it's more likely to be straightforward filesystem corruption, or a bug in grub2's ext2 code, but it's also possible that it's outside the range it can read with non-LBA accesses
[09:41] <cjwatson> yann|work: it relies on correct Task fields being present in the Packages file; if you regenerated Packages and you weren't careful, you may have broken those
[09:42] <xivulon> cjwatson, will try again tonight and provide more informative feedback
[09:43] <yann|work> cjwatson: I did not touch the original ones, they do have their Task: fields - only the Packages file for my "extra" component does not have those
[09:44] <cjwatson> you might like to use 'apt-cache show util-linux' (as an example) to check that it shows the Task field
[09:46] <yann|work> Ah, it does not show - and apt-cache policy shows that the same version exists in both main and extras - so this is where I shot myself in the foot, my filter does not work
[09:46] <yann|work> cjwatson: thx
[09:47] <xivulon> re LBA, the bios is the stock KVM one
[09:50] <xivulon> cjwatson what were the settings to keep author changelogs together in dch?
[09:51] <yann|work> cjwatson: btw, how are the task fields added ?  I did not find any info about that when looking for it - I would have thought there was some option in apt-ftparchive config file, but did not find one
[09:52] <cjwatson> xivulon: I use this in .devscripts:
[09:52] <cjwatson> DEBCHANGE_RELEASE_HEURISTIC=changelog
[09:52] <cjwatson> DEBCHANGE_MULTIMAINT_MERGE=yes
[09:52] <cjwatson> yann|work: look for "extra overrides"
[09:53] <xivulon> cjwatson thx!
[09:55] <yann|work> cjwatson: ah ok - and there is some tool to generate extra-override file from ubuntu-tasks.desc ?
[10:00] <cjwatson> yann|work: it's generated, although not that particular way round
[10:00] <cjwatson> our debian-cd instance spits out an extra overrides file, if nothing else
[10:01] <cjwatson> based on germinate output
[10:02] <cjwatson> yann|work: but you may also be able to use the override.*.extra.* files in the /ubuntu/indices/ directory of an Ubuntu mirror, as a short-cut
[10:04] <yann|work> cjwatson: ok, thanks
[10:05] <yann|work> I did not know germinate, useful tool indeed :)
[12:07] <yann|work> cjwatson: shouldn't "apt-ftparchive -o BinDirectory::ExtraOverride=myfile" be enough to add Task fields ?
[12:26] <shtylman>  cjwatson: ok... I can test any potential fixes if you need ... I am curious though...does the grub-pc source package make all the grub-* suite of tools?
[12:36] <cjwatson> yann|work: maybe Tree::ExtraOverride; it's been a while since I looked at any of this
[12:36] <cjwatson> shtylman: yeah
[14:24] <yann|work> damned, Tree::ExtraOverride does not work either :(
[14:33] <yann|work> cjwatson: FWIW, options for the config file are ignored when passed on commandline, and unrecognized options are silently ignored
[16:12] <cr3> cjwatson: it might be possible that the alternate image kernel wasn't updated: "The installer cannot find a suitable kernel package to install."
[16:13] <cjwatson> I don't think that's the cause. Full logs please?
[16:14] <cjwatson> that means it couldn't even find an image of the right type, never mind ABI version
[18:04] <mterry> cjwatson, I'm looking at console_setup.py, where it modifies xorg.conf.  It looks like it only modifies anything if there's a 'Driver kbd' section.  Is that expected?
[18:05] <cjwatson> I think so, yes
[18:06] <cjwatson> why?
[18:06] <mterry> cjwatson, well, I thought that was the primary way we set default layout.  If user doesn't have an InputDevice or Device kbd section, they don't get new layout?
[18:07] <cjwatson> X will pick it up from /etc/default/console-setup if it's not separately configured in xorg.conf
[18:07] <mterry> cjwatson, ah, that makes sense then, thanks.  :)
[18:07] <mterry> cjwatson, I see that bit of code now
[18:07] <cjwatson> see /usr/lib/hal/debian-setup-keyboard
[18:08] <cjwatson> or possibly something newer for halsectomy, but that's the general idea
[18:08] <mterry> :)
[18:08] <mterry> Nice, thanks.
[19:23] <CIA-33> ubiquity: superm1 * r3429 ubiquity/debian/ (changelog oem-config.init):
[19:23] <CIA-33> ubiquity: Use the usplash init script to stop usplash in the oem-config init script
[19:23] <CIA-33> ubiquity: It seems to do a better job, and prevents a black screen on boot with some
[19:23] <CIA-33> ubiquity: drivers that aren't as usplash friendly. (LP: #403021)
[21:18] <cjwatson> superm1: oh, cool, thanks for figuring that out
[21:19] <superm1> no prob.  it was actually totally accidental. i was debugging a different problem on a freshly installed system, and found out that oem-config was working without usplash, so put two and two together :)
[21:19] <cjwatson> reassigned the bug back so that it gets auto-closed properly


[00:25] <wrst> sounds like fun
[01:49] <Omnifrog> it's sure to be a fun filled week of games and art and Legos and .... of for fucks sake, do we have to listen to the Frozen song AGAIN ???
[01:53] <Unit193> I saw Frozen, wasn't too bad really.
[01:53] <Omnifrog> did you see it 50 times?
[01:53] <Unit193> I mean sure, I would have preferred it if the wolves wouldn't have eaten everyone at the end, and it was a bit slow.  But decent for a one time watch.
[01:55] <Omnifrog> Moana is good. I like that enough to watch it too many times
[01:58] <Omnifrog> also, she's only 4 but she really likes Bob Ross
[01:58] <Unit193> (In case it wasn't clear, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1323045/ was the frozen I saw.)
[01:59] <Omnifrog> lol
[02:01] <Unit193> Much less sing songy, more wolves tear you apart. :3
[02:01] <Unit193> Also, Preds are going to win tonight, no doubt about it.
[02:02] <Omnifrog> it'll be a masacare
[04:03] <cyberanger> Speaking of massacre, work is murder tonight.
[04:03]  * cyberanger wonders what the score is...
[04:04]  * Omnifrog puts on an APP album
[04:09] <Unit193> cyberanger: 2/4, most of the Jackets good players had the night off.
[04:10]  * cyberanger wonders what he'd do with a night off....
[04:10] <cyberanger> Odd thing for the jackets to do
[04:17] <Unit193> Last game, they're already going to get in on the playoffs.


[00:02] <Guest88835> Bonjour
[00:03] <well_laid_lawn> Guest88835: if you need a french channel
[00:03] <well_laid_lawn> !fr
[00:04] <Guest88835> !fr
[00:05] <TheEvilPhoenix> is there a reason this was issued twice?
[01:21] <LNXiu> hi
[01:28] <mase_work> hi
[01:31] <SaleLLama> hiya, i'm having some issues upgrading to 11.10
[01:32] <SaleLLama> er
[01:32] <SaleLLama> actually its in upgrading kernel to 3000
[01:33] <SaleLLama> the issue is that apt is not installing it as far as i can tell
[01:35] <sebsebseb> hi
[01:35] <mase_work> hi sebsebseb
[01:36] <SaleLLama> uname and grub shows i have kernel 2.6.38-8-generic, in apt / software manager it shows a 32kb package called linux-image-generic which  is v <IP_ADDRESS>, and another that is 2.6.38-8.42 installed
[01:37] <SaleLLama> does this mean i have the latest kernel or not, the larger 3.00 package is not installing
[01:37] <mase_work> uname will show you the running kernel
[01:37] <SaleLLama> right
[01:37] <mase_work> grub will show you which kernel is set to be your next booting kernel
[01:38] <SaleLLama> yes
[01:38] <mase_work> if apt is having trouble installing a new kernel it will tell you why
[01:38] <SaleLLama> 3.00 does not show in this list
[01:38] <SaleLLama> in grub
[01:38] <mase_work> well grub won't be updated till the new kernel is installed
[01:40] <SaleLLama> i agree
[01:40] <SaleLLama> this is the issue, kernel is not instalilng
[01:40] <mase_work> right so that is the problem you need to fix
[01:40] <SaleLLama> right which is why i'm here :)
[01:40] <SaleLLama> it gives no error message
[01:40] <mase_work> how do you know it's not installing then ?
[01:41] <mase_work> how are you trying to install it ?
[01:41] <SaleLLama> because its not appearing in grub, not running, and the other 3.0.00(not 32kb one) are not showing as installed in package manager (apper)
[01:41] <SaleLLama> i've tried through apt-get as well as apper
[01:41] <mase_work> right but what is the command that you  are issuing to have it install ?
[01:42] <SaleLLama> sudo apt-get install linux-image-3.0.0-12-generic
[01:43] <mase_work> and what does it output ?
[01:43] <mase_work> can you pastebin it some where
[01:43] <SaleLLama> https://gist.github.com/3323a634f5c818e9227a
[01:44] <mase_work> SaleLLama: it's already installed
[01:45] <SaleLLama> mase_work tehre is a 145.3MB <IP_ADDRESS>-generic package which does not install after this
[01:45] <SaleLLama> the 143MB 2.6.38-8 remains
[01:45] <mase_work> what do you mean does not install...it's been installed
[01:45] <mase_work> dpkg -l | grep linux-image
[01:47] <SaleLLama> https://gist.github.com/289002e16bf3843f3f0d
[01:47] <mase_work> ii  linux-image-3.0.0-12-generic                                3.0.0-12.20
[01:47] <SaleLLama> why it doesn't replace then
[01:49] <SaleLLama> why does this not appear in grub and load then mase_work ?
[01:49] <mase_work> perhaps that package it's self doesn't issue grub-update
[01:49] <mase_work> it may be in the linux-image metapackage
[01:50] <mase_work> i am not a packaging expert so i am unsure why grub hasn't been updated but the kernel it's self looks like it's been installed
[01:50] <mase_work> you should have the image in /boot
[01:50] <mase_work> and modules in /lib/modules
[01:51] <SaleLLama> yes it appears there
[01:51] <SaleLLama> so i manually update grub then
[01:51] <mase_work> well you should update the config file and run grub-update
[01:52] <SaleLLama> mmk
[01:52] <SaleLLama> i ran update-grub
[01:52] <SaleLLama> found kernel and updated menu.list
[01:52] <SaleLLama> i will reboot now ye?
[01:52] <mase_work> sure. i don't know what your end game is so it's up to you
[01:52] <SaleLLama> what do you mean end game
[01:53] <mase_work> i'm not sure what you are trying to achieve.
[01:53] <SaleLLama> trying to update kernel :X
[01:53] <mase_work> do-release-upgrade should install that for you
[01:53] <mase_work> if you are moving to 11.10
[01:53] <SaleLLama> i thought i had moved to 11.10 which would use kernel 3000 etc
[01:53] <SaleLLama> but this was not the case apparently
[01:54] <mase_work> it does, and it's likely that your upgrade failed for some reason
[01:54] <SaleLLama> when i re check for updates and what not it says everything is up to date
[01:54] <SaleLLama> it really scratched my head
[01:54] <mase_work> k
[01:55] <adam___> test
[03:02] <Linkmaster> I'm having a problem installing the 11.10 32bit kubuntu onto a thinkpad x120e computer. I can get through the installer, and probably around halfway through when the monitor turns black, and the only way to get it back is a hard reset. what do I do?
[03:15] <genii-around> Linkmaster: When this happens do the three lights on  the keyboard all keep blinking together ?
[03:20] <Linkmaster> genii-around: this computer doesn't have three lights on the keyboard, but the power light remains on
[03:21] <genii-around> Linkmaster: When this happens does the hard drive light keep blinking as if there is activity or just stay dark?
[03:22] <Linkmaster> genii-around: there isn't a harddrive light either D: There is only a "turned on" light, a "turned on/you have power" light, and a "its suspended" light. thats it
[03:22] <Linkmaster> but, the harddrive does get quiet sounding
[03:25] <genii-around> Linkmaster: Before the point where it goes dark, perhaps in console to try: sudo xset -dpms     ... this will turn off the monitor's power saving/blanking
[03:25] <Linkmaster> hmm...worth a shot
[03:25] <Linkmaster> let me set everything up, se what it does genii-around
[03:25] <genii-around> OK
[03:26] <genii-around> !support
[03:32] <Linkmaster> genii-around: I've got a different problem now...my computer that allows me to change my USB installer between disks isn't working
[04:43] <rizz> hello, could some one help me enable the wireless on my laptop?
[05:56] <LINKSWORD2> Ugh. NickServ keeps bothering me until I identify. Too bad I can't back up my auto-identify certificate.
[05:57] <LINKSWORD2> Is there a way I can tell if I don't have a needed driver?
[06:46] <LINKSWORD2> help!
[06:46] <LINKSWORD2> I've got no sound at all.
[06:47] <vehemoth> have you tried unmuting every channel?|
[06:48] <LINKSWORD2> Yes
[06:48] <vehemoth> now, any ideas if I can have a window that minimizees when focus is lost, or only takes focus when clicked on on the bar down the bottom
[06:48] <vehemoth> LINKSWORD2: what's your sound system look like?
[06:49] <LINKSWORD2> What's the name of the audio program that KDE starts?
[06:49] <vehemoth> I would tell you but I can't currently access my menu :)
[06:49] <LINKSWORD2> Nothing too fancy. Just a speaker and a power switch.
[06:49] <vehemoth> I meant, sound card? usb? etc.
[06:49] <LINKSWORD2> Built in on the motherboard.
[06:50] <LINKSWORD2> And I found the problem now. The plug wasn't all the way in.
[06:50]  * LINKSWORD2 facepalms.*
[06:50] <vehemoth> well I got my menu back
[06:53] <LINKSWORD2> Cool. Anything else you need help with?
[06:53] <vehemoth> well, if you can help me with minimizing a window wwhen it looses focus I'll be happy :)
[06:55] <LINKSWORD2> I'm not really sure what you mean.
[06:56] <vehemoth> nah, don't worry. It's an odd project that few have been able to help with. And I'll probably learn more struggling for now :)
[06:57] <vehemoth> trying to use the kde menu outside of kde
[07:53] <erinaceus> HI, im trying to mount an ftp location automatically via curlftp, but i have '/' in my password so when i specify: user:**/**@myserver it fails since it thinks the / are a special character. Is there an easy way to fix this?
[07:55] <well_laid_lawn> erinaceus: can you escape iut with a \ ?
[07:55] <erinaceus> well_laid_lawn: Nope, just tried that, putting it in " ' " doesnt work either
[07:56] <well_laid_lawn> ok. might be easier to make a sane password without the /
[07:56] <erinaceus> *sigh* thats what i feared. Thanks anyways
[10:51] <sdfds> hello im in a hype trouble. I tried upgrading 10.04 to 10.10 and it got code 1 error. Now i cannot login to my os. Burned to cd and usb newest 11.10. Checked bios boot priorities.Now all i get is disk boot failure... so usb kubuntu and cd kubuntu doesnt load to install new os..
[10:57] <sdfds> cmon guys.. maybe i have missed something to check.. im really screwed
[11:03] <Inadaptado> Morning. My time to ask. Is anyone else experiencing difficulties to connect to certain wifi points?
[11:05] <Mamarok> Inadaptado: could you be a tad more specific?
[11:06] <Aprendiz> hi all
[11:07] <Aprendiz> how can I set up ldap for kde
[11:08] <Aprendiz> I have configure in kontact but I need to import the contacts
[11:08] <Inadaptado> Of course. Thing is, I've noticed my laptop sometimes has problems to connect to a wifi whereas my girlfriend does not. Also, if I change to Windows (I have a dual boot) it also seems to work better
[11:08] <Aprendiz> I only want to set up to query contacts for kmail ...
[11:08] <Inadaptado> My guess is it has something to do with which routers it tries to connect to. My landlord has recently changed ours and now I have more problems than before
[11:09] <Mamarok> Inadaptado: does it use an encryption?
[11:10] <Mamarok> Aprendiz: you want to retrieve contacts from an LDAP server?
[11:10] <Inadaptado> You mean password-protected, as opposed to open wifi?
[11:10] <Mamarok> Inadaptado: WiFi is just a generic term for a wireless access, it can be open or encrypted
[11:11] <Inadaptado> I get that, I wasn't sure if you meant average password protection or something more sophisticated. If it is the first, then yes
[11:12] <Mamarok> I experience problems with networks that are encrypted only if they have a weak signal, then I have to retype the password, but in general it connects well, using a Lenovo x220 with Kubuntu 11.10
[11:13] <Mamarok> and I haven seen any difference in Windows either. Do you get any messages?
[11:13] <sdfds> can someone help me? :(
[11:13] <Aprendiz> Mamarok: yes
[11:13] <Inadaptado> That's pretty much my issue, whenever the signal is weak it disconnects too often. Thing is, I have read complains about KDE's networking before, so I am not sure if it is a software issue or just our new routers are worthless
[11:14] <Inadaptado> sdfds: We can try. What's your issue?
[11:14] <Aprendiz> I have configure but it looks like I need to import, I only want to use for retrieve the information in real time
[11:14] <Mamarok> Aprendiz: AFAIK you must add the ressource to Akonadi
[11:15] <Aprendiz> in thunderbird if I configure ldap when I write a new mail I can use mails from ldap and I want to do the same in kmail
[11:15] <Aprendiz> I though if I configure in kontact I could use for all kde
[11:15] <sdfds> inadaptado sorry i wasnt in the mood to write a decent nickname
[11:15] <Mamarok> Aprendiz: well, thunbderbird is not KDE
[11:15] <sdfds> hello im in a hype trouble. I tried upgrading 10.04 to 10.10 and it got code 1 error. Now i cannot login to my os. Burned to cd and usb newest 11.10. Checked bios boot priorities.Now all i get is disk boot failure... so usb kubuntu and cd kubuntu doesnt load to install new os..
[11:16] <sdfds> swaped different cdrom.. same problem. tried usb and cd on notebook.works like charm.
[11:17] <Mamarok> Aprendiz: only if the other KDE application also uses Akonadi
[11:19] <Aprendiz> Mamarok: I think kmail use akonadi, don't I=
[11:20] <Inadaptado> sdfds: Sorry, well beyond my paygrade. Nonetheless, one question, have you put usb / cd on top of boot list?
[11:20] <Mamarok> Aprendiz: yes, of course
[11:21] <Aprendiz> Mamarok: in akonadi, where can I configure ldap?
[11:21] <Inadaptado> This is very, very annoying
[11:22] <Mamarok> Aprendiz: if you configured it in Kmail already nit should already be there, now you just need to add the contacts ressources
[11:22] <Mamarok> it*
[11:24] <sdfds> inadaptado yes i tried booting from usb, cdrom.. i can see the pc tries to load from them but then fails for some unknown reason.And im still angry about kubuntu uprade error failure.Maybe its because of that i cannot boot
[11:26] <Inadaptado> Probably won't do nothing, but, have you tried putting your hard drive on top of the boot list and trying to install selecting the device?
[11:26] <Inadaptado> won't do anything*
[11:31] <sdfds> inadaptado i completely removed cdrom and hdd and it still tells me disc boot failure.. i think that mobo is broken or something is not right.The only not tested thing is to take that hdd and install kubuntu from different pc but i cant do that yet.Have no permission from my boss.
[11:31] <kbroulik> how can I create a user without a password? dont question this decision, I did not make it. But Kubuntu does not allow me to; I can however make KDM allow me to login without password although when doing User Switching (which is commonly practised there) it still asks for the password
[11:32] <Inadaptado> sdfds: I see. Then I can't help you any further, sorry, hope someone here has more answeres
[11:39] <Aprendiz> Mamarok: I have configured in kontact but doesn't work, I need to import, but I don't want to import, only retrieve
[11:39] <fayaz> hi! how do i forward incoming requests to a port (say 80) to a different port (say 8000)?
[11:39] <Ripp__> How do I create an icon in my favorites for a command line program?
[11:40] <fayaz> Ripp__: create a launcher for it first
[11:40] <Ripp__> How do I do that?
[11:40] <Ripp__> I can probably google it, nm
[11:40] <Ripp__> thanks
[11:42] <fayaz> Ripp__: just create a new "Link to application" from your dolphin or konqueror
[11:42] <Mamarok> Aprendiz: I wilol try to set it up myself, didn't try that
[11:44] <Mamarok> Aprendiz: you might want to search and ask in http://forum.kde.org/viewforum.php?f=20
[11:51] <Aprendiz> Mamarok: thanks
[11:51] <Mamarok> Aprendiz: you are welcome, sorry I couldn't help more
[12:12] <Aprendiz> Mamarok: I found it, we need to add in kde resources :D
[12:13] <sdfds> can anyone help wtih kubuntu booting cd or usb?
[12:19] <Mamarok> Aprendiz: thanks for the inf :)
[12:28] <delight> i got this strange effect that i can't access github repos no more from behind the proxy with my kubuntu 11.10 box ... it worked fine on 11.04 ... by now i got version <IP_ADDRESS>-1~ppa0  of git ... funny thing is that on osx it still works through the proxy (just updated from 1.7.4 to 1.7.7 both worked fine) ... simple export https_proxy
[12:28] <delight> any hint on what could be the reason is appreciated ...
[12:29] <Mamarok> did you check your proxy settings? This has nothing to do with your git version
[12:31] <delight> Mamarok: exactly i think so too ... as I tryed different git versions ... (the one from kubuntu 11.10 and then the one from the ppa) ... yes proxy is set by -> export https_proxy="ip:port"
[12:32] <delight> Mamarok: it all worked fine in 11.04 ... stopped workind with the update
[12:46] <Mamarok> delight: likely something changed in your proxy settings then
[13:56] <sirfilip> morning
[14:07] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:19] <Thecaptain2000> hi, is there a way to re-install kpackagemanager on kubuntu 11.10?
[14:30] <yofel> Thecaptain2000: what's kpackagemanager? Do you mean kpackagekit
[14:30] <yofel> if yes, that's called apper in 11.10 if you want to install it
[14:30] <Thecaptain2000> yes, I did find the way tho, there is a  package called kpackagekit (no fantasy there :)  )
[14:31] <BluesKaj> Thecaptain2000, but why ?
[14:31] <yofel> there is, but it's only purpose is to install apper
[14:31] <BluesKaj> it'sclunkier then it's replacement . muon
[14:31] <BluesKaj> than
[14:33] <Thecaptain2000> because muon sucks, you try to look, ofr example for mysql or postgres and you won0t find them
[14:35] <yofel> Thecaptain2000: they show up fine in the package manager
[14:36] <BluesKaj> Thecaptain2000,  i recommend synaptic , it's not kde , but in my book it's the best package manager ..an excellent reference even for those of us who prefer to install via cli
[14:37] <Thecaptain2000> sorry, I just found out there are two muon, the software center and the package manager
[14:37] <Thecaptain2000> and I had used the Software center before
[14:37] <Thecaptain2000> why are there two muon?
[14:38] <Thecaptain2000> ok, the first time I searched on the package manager I did find mysql
[14:38] <Thecaptain2000> not I can'0t find it
[14:38] <Thecaptain2000> anymore
[14:40] <Thecaptain2000> funny enough if you launch the software center then you won't find mysql in the package manager, you close it and re-launch package manager and there it is again
[14:43] <FlashDeluxe> hi! i got a problem, i have a notebook and a second screen plugged in. now if i drag a window (which is on the notebook-monitor in the foreground) onto this second screen it suddenly is in the background
[14:45] <FlashDeluxe> does anybody know this problem?
[14:50] <BluesKaj> I'm having problems with apps not holding their size and position settings, especially ktorrent, has anyone else experienced this ?
[15:16] <dpac> hey, my power usage on default kde session is around 30W but on failsafe its 12-15W. Can anyone explain what does  failsafe disable?
[15:28] <cuznt> samba?
[15:29] <szal> ?
[15:53] <dpac> Is anyone active in here?
[15:54] <Kolia> dpac: such question generally doesn't get any answer
[15:54] <Kolia> if you have a question, just ask :)
[15:54] <ArchangelSe7en> what he said ^^^
[15:55] <dpac> Kolia: I posted a question few hours back, no one replied. So I thought its better to ask before asking.
[15:56] <Kolia> dpac: nah, just ask again after a reasonable delay :)
[15:56] <dpac> Anyways, so I had trouble logging in so I renamed my .kde to .kde2 and logged in. Figured it was a problem with opengl, so disabled opengl in .kde2/share/config/kwinrc. Renamed .kde2 back to .kde
[15:56] <dpac> Now when I login, all my settings are gone
[15:56] <dpac> kopete accounts
[15:56] <dpac> everything :(
[15:57] <ArchangelSe7en> well duh
[15:57] <ArchangelSe7en> :P
[15:58] <ArchangelSe7en> just look for conf files of Kopete and return them to your new .kde folde
[15:58] <ArchangelSe7en> r
[15:59] <ArchangelSe7en> ~/.kde/share/apps/kopete/
[15:59] <ArchangelSe7en> is where they should be
[16:01] <dpac> ArchangelSe7en: Thanks.. but any reason where anything went wrong
[16:01] <dpac> ArchangelSe7en: I mean its technically renaming .kde to .kde2 and back .kde
[16:02] <ArchangelSe7en> thought you created a new one , did you launch Kopete when your folder was still named .kde2 ?
[16:09] <dpac> ArchangelSe7en: No.. I've renamed it back to .kde
[16:13] <eamon> I have a problem with Nepomuk crashing can anyone helo?
[16:15] <dpac> eamon: I have that same problem too.. Does it happen on booting?
[16:17] <eamon> Yeah everytime, the message is
[16:17] <eamon> The name org.kde.NepomukStorage was not provided by any .service files
[16:17] <dpac> eamon: Same problem.. couldn't figure out how to fix it..
[16:18] <eamon> I read about deleting the Nepomuk folder in .kde share
[16:18] <eamon> but it didnt work
[16:19] <dpac> ArchangelSe7en: I missed one detail. I logged in failsafe mode after renaming .kde to .kde2. Does that change anything?
[16:19] <eamon> dpac: Is that related to Nepomuk crashing?
[16:20] <ArchangelSe7en> dpac, I dont think so
[16:21] <ArchangelSe7en> I guess you'll have to recreate your accounts
[16:21] <ArchangelSe7en> brb
[16:49] <k0s> russian chanel
[16:51] <BarkingFish> k0s: You need a channel in russian?
[16:51] <BarkingFish> obviously not
[16:51] <BarkingFish> :P
[16:51] <szal> heheh
[16:52] <BarkingFish> some people... you could give them 2 brain cells and they couldn't rub them together and start a fire :)
[16:52]  * BarkingFish sighs and goes back to fixing his iPAQ
[16:54] <jmichaelx> amarok 2.4.3 seems to be crashing a lot
[16:54] <jmichaelx> :-(
[16:55] <jmichaelx> :/me hates it when amarok crashes a lot
[16:55] <jmichaelx> oops
[16:56] <szal> a lot of stuff seems to crash a lot in Oneiric..  Konversation does, the newest Flash player does..
[16:56] <jmichaelx> yes, konversation is crashing a lot, too
[16:56] <jmichaelx> i am always wishing for a stable kubuntu, but in my opinion, there never has been one
[16:57] <jmichaelx> although some have been much less crashy than some others
[16:59] <cousin_luigi> hello
[17:00] <cousin_luigi> What is the recommended place to set the KDEWM variable?
[17:19] <koch> Hi
[17:19] <koch> i NEED HELP
[17:21] <rork> hi, what do you need help with?
[17:22] <koch> u know how delete "lock" on kubuntu??
[17:28] <koch> ??/
[17:32] <szal> what 'lock'?
[17:34] <koch> i cant run 2 donwload
[17:35] <Pici> !details
[17:36] <koch> ok
[17:38] <koch> i cant download 2 files. because the files #lock# stop it
[17:38] <Pici> Do you get an error message?
[17:39] <Pici> Do you mean you're tryin to download something from some website?
[17:41] <koch> yes
[17:42] <koch> error messenge said about '/var/lib/dpkg/lock'
[17:43] <hhirsch> .
[17:43] <koch> ist compliqued
[17:44] <szal> lol..  you don't run 2 instances of the pkg manager; if you want to install more than 1 package, just select everything you want to install, and it will be downloaded one after another (or, if your bandwidth permits, you'll get 2 downloads concurrently)
[17:44] <szal> !ar
[17:44] <szal> dang
[17:45] <koch> szal> what dang?
[17:45] <szal> koch: nothing of interest to you ;)
[17:45] <koch> ok
[17:46] <koch> I need a application like 'download manager'
[17:47] <szal> no, you don't, at least not for package management
[17:48] <koch> eurk....
[17:48] <koch> I dnt like use kget
[17:49] <BarkingFish> koch- are you trying to download packages to install on Kubuntu?
[17:49] <koch> yes
[17:50] <BarkingFish> right, we have programs for that already, koch.
[17:50] <koch> ok
[17:50] <BarkingFish> There are programs like apper, synaptic and muon which are intended for package installations.
[17:51] <BarkingFish> You can also install programs over your command line or through a terminal, using  sudo apt-get install   followed by the name of the program you want
[17:51] <koch> okay..
[17:52] <BarkingFish> so do you have any of those programs already installed?   You only have one of them?
[17:55] <koch> yep
[17:55] <BarkingFish> ok, so which one do you have please?
[17:58] <BarkingFish> koch, you still with me?
[17:58] <koch> yess
[17:59] <koch> :p
[17:59] <BarkingFish> ok, so which one of the programs I mentioned do you have in your menu please?
[17:59] <koch> u know how boot a connxion??
[17:59] <koch> wait
[18:00] <szal> !arabic | koch, probably helpful
[18:01] <koch> i use kubuntu 11.4,... I dnt have another application
[18:02] <koch> just dafault program
[18:02] <BarkingFish> koch - if you're on Kubuntu 11.04, you probably have a program called kpackagekit
[18:02] <koch> szal> ur are arab?/
[18:02] <szal> koch: no
[18:02] <koch> barkingFish>>> wait
[18:04] <koch> yes I have
[18:04] <BarkingFish> ok
[18:05] <BarkingFish> right, well if you open kpackagekit, you should be able to download all your programs through there.  You may need to get some sources for your software, I don't know if they are already set up.
[18:05] <koch> I have a program kpackagekit
[18:05] <BarkingFish> And unfortunately, I don't have the time to help you do that.
[18:05] <koch> ok
[18:06] <BarkingFish> koch: if you press ALT + F2, and type kpackagekit (or click it in the menu) you'll get the program up and you can go from there.
[18:06] <koch> ok
[18:08] <BarkingFish> ok then, I have to go for a while, to get some food and some rest. I will be back in maybe two hours.
[18:08] <koch> ok
[18:08] <koch> no problem
[18:21] <adarshajoisa> the task manager in the panel contains an empty slot sometimes. When a window is open, it's not aligned to the left, but some space is left as if an invisible window is open. is that a bug with the task manager?
[18:23] <lethu> adarshajoisa, got the same bug
[18:23] <lethu> but as to if it's a known bug, I don't know yet
[18:24] <lethu> adarshajoisa, it helps to close all the windows of the active desktop, then reopen them again
[18:25] <adarshajoisa> lethu: nope, that doesn't work for me. when i open a window after closing everything, the space is still there.
[18:27] <lethu> adarshajoisa, have you tried switching to another desktop then switching back and trying again?
[18:27] <lethu> adarshajoisa, it generally works for me
[18:27] <adarshajoisa> tried that too. doesn't work. it works only if i restart plasma desktop
[18:30] <lethu> adarshajoisa, it's a known bug
[18:30] <lethu> adarshajoisa, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8FA1yGM0gA
[18:33] <adarshajoisa> lethu: ok.. let's hope someone fixes it soon. :)
[18:33] <lethu> adarshajoisa, yup
[18:33]  * lethu crosses fingers
[18:34] <adarshajoisa> lethu: :) removing the task manager and adding a new one to the panel also works, btw
[18:35] <lethu> adarshajoisa, good to know
[18:36] <lethu> adarshajoisa, you can also do $ killall plasma-desktop && plasma-desktop
[18:37] <adarshajoisa> lethu: cool! i didn't know the command to restart plasma. I used to logout n login again. :P
[18:38] <lethu> adarshajoisa, ;)
[19:19] <Lynoure> Hmm, just realized I don't seem to be able to turn off my bluetooth in Kubuntu on my HP dv6
[19:19] <Lynoure> the option is there, but it does not stick.
[19:21] <cousin_luigi> Where can I set the KDEWM variable to have compiz instead of kwin?
[19:22] <Lynoure> So widget -> Turn off bluetooth   does nothing on my system, neither does widget -> Configure bluetooth -> Adapters -> Powered  (uncheck)
[19:24] <Lynoure> Does it work for others?
[20:03] <koch> anyone speak french??
[20:03] <PasNox> oui.
[20:03] <PasNox> Hi all
[20:04] <PasNox> can anyone here can give me the user id and group id for mysql server / service ?
[20:04] <koch> thnx pasnox..i nedd ur help
[20:06] <PasNox> just expose your problem. someone will try to help
[20:06] <yofel> PasNox: from my servers passwd file:
[20:06] <yofel> mysql:x:118:129:MySQL Server,,,:/var/lib/mysql:/bin/false
[20:07] <PasNox> yofel: strange , i just checked mine, it say 113 / 123 xD
[20:07] <koch> comment faire pour avoir la totaliter de ma connection
[20:07] <PasNox> but i assume it's not really important ?
[20:08] <yofel> shouldn't be, unless you have old files from another system that you might need to chown
[20:08] <PasNox> koch: first write without mistakesin words, then speak uk, it's an english channel here.
[20:08] <koch> ok
[20:08] <PasNox> if u want french, go #kubuntu-fr
[20:08] <koch> thanks,
[20:13] <koch> anyone use lubuntu??
[20:13] <Pici> koch: The folks in #lubuntu do :)
[20:15] <koch> thanks Pici
[20:26] <MeanderingCode> why is my task manager making two rows when i've set it to one, allowing only one item per "column", but each item is half-height??
[20:26] <MeanderingCode> more importantly, how do i remedy this situation? :)
[21:35] <AndroidLoverInSF> why is it that when i add a kde menu item manually via the editor, i save it. it doesnt show up in the menu, nor the editor, then i include "hidden" items, and i see it, but my menu item is NOT hidden (unchecked). how to have it show up in the menu launcher?
[21:35] <AndroidLoverInSF> i'm on 11.10 kde
[21:36] <AndroidLoverInSF> do i need to logout and back in?
[21:36] <Wizard> I don't think so
[21:36] <Wizard> have you checked your menu entry manually?
[21:37] <AndroidLoverInSF> yes
[21:37] <Wizard> so, is group set up properly?
[21:37] <AndroidLoverInSF> its there under my Internet group
[21:38] <AndroidLoverInSF> have name, no desc, nor commetn. put the command 'java -jar /home/me/.jdownloader/JDownloader.jar', the check boxes are unchecked
[21:39] <AndroidLoverInSF> i saved it. it said updating system config
[21:39] <yofel> sounds like kde bug 283579
[21:39] <AndroidLoverInSF> then when i go back into the editor, its not there, until i include "hidden" apps. either way it doesnt show up either. why such a mainstream bug? anytime someone adds a menu item?
[21:40] <AndroidLoverInSF> seems like a pretty important bug, not a weird use case
[21:42] <AndroidLoverInSF> ubottu: yes seems like that same bug
[21:43] <martin__> heh
[21:43] <Resistance> !botsnack
[21:44] <Resistance> good bot :P
[21:55] <AndroidLoverInSF> such a glaring bug!
[22:19] <phoenix_firebrd> how can i disable the tooltip message shown  for the taskbar entries
[22:20] <phoenix_firebrd> for taskmanager entries
[22:34] <lethu> phoenix_firebrd, >task manager settings
[22:34] <lethu> phoenix_firebrd, then uncheck "show tooltips"
[22:35] <phoenix_firebrd> lethu: it worked, thank you
[22:35] <lethu> phoenix_firebrd, yw
[22:37] <MeanderingCode> any thoughts on why my task manager is making two rows when i've set it to one, allowing only one item per "column", but each item is half-height??
[22:39] <lethu> MeanderingCode, try $ killall plasma-desktop && plasma-desktop
[22:39] <lethu> MeanderingCode, if that doesn't work try resizing the task bar a bit
[22:39] <MeanderingCode> lethu: this is persistant across many reboots :(
[22:39] <lethu> MeanderingCode, try resizing it then
[22:40] <MeanderingCode> no luck
[22:40] <MeanderingCode> it doesn't always happen
[22:43] <lethu> MeanderingCode, have you tried reverting to default settings?
[22:44] <lethu> MeanderingCode, you could also reset kde settings, I don't know which part of the .kde folder is responsible of the taskbar
[22:44] <lethu> tho
[22:45] <MeanderingCode> the setting isn't changing...it always has the value "1" for max rows...i am pretty leery of resetting kde, lots of customization
[22:45] <MeanderingCode> well, enough to take too much time
[22:46] <MeanderingCode> but i could try removing the task manager and adding it again
[22:46] <lethu> MeanderingCode, removing the task manager then making a new one is known to fix some issues
[22:47] <MeanderingCode> just did so...it's good right now, i'll find out if it starts happening again
[22:47] <MeanderingCode> thx
[22:57] <lethu> MeanderingCode, yw
[23:32] <welandB> I'm trying to install a package that requires gcc (or cc or cl) and can't seem to get KPackageKit to install it.
[23:32] <welandB> It's saying check my network connection.
[23:41] <mohammadetakie> Is there room in Arabic? Please
[23:45] <szal> !arabic | mohammadetakie
[23:47] <mohammadetakie> Thank you very much
[23:50] <mohammadetakie> Hello calcmandan
[23:50] <calcmandan> Hello
[23:51] <mohammadetakie> How the case?
[23:51] <calcmandan> Case?
[23:51] <mohammadetakie> From any country are you from?
[23:52] <mohammadetakie> Health
[23:52] <calcmandan> Oh, I am good. And you?
[23:53] <mohammadetakie> I use the programs for you to translate Sorry
[23:53] <mohammadetakie> I'm fine and thank God
[23:53] <mohammadetakie> From any country you are?
[23:54] <calcmandan> I am in the USA
[23:55] <mohammadetakie> You are from America?
[23:55] <calcmandan> Yes california.
[23:56] <mohammadetakie> USA =  America
[23:56] <mohammadetakie> I am from Syria
[23:57] <mohammadetakie> How is Uncle Obama? Hahaha
[23:59] <mohammadetakie> How health with Obama? Hahaha
[23:59] <calcmandan> Obama... Not so good.


[00:56] <igc> morning
[00:57]  * fullermd waves at igc.
[00:57] <igc> fullermd: hi
[02:52] <thumper> igc: hey
[02:53] <thumper> igc: how are you feeling today?
[02:53] <igc> hi thumper
[02:53] <igc> thumper: I'm feeling good today thanks
[02:53] <thumper> cool
[02:53] <thumper> igc: I'm getting closer to announcing 0.1 of wikkid
[02:53] <thumper> igc: but hit a line ending snag
[02:54] <thumper> igc: how much do you know about the bzr line ending magic?
[02:54] <igc> thumper: a fair amount
[02:54] <thumper> it seems that http posts send '\r\n'
[02:54] <thumper> and I want to normalise the http post to whatever the current file is using
[02:55] <thumper> is there bzrlib magic that could help?
[02:55] <igc> thumper: probably not
[02:55] <thumper> hmm.. ok
[02:56] <thumper> I'll work on it tonight I think
[02:56] <igc> thumper: we don't support branch-specific rules yet so ...
[02:56] <thumper> igc: where in bzrlib is the line ending work?
[02:56] <igc> newline handling is defined by each user in their ~/.bazaar/rules file
[02:56] <thumper> I may nick some code
[02:57] <igc> thumper: bzrlib/filters may help?
[02:57] <thumper> thanks, I'll look later
[02:57] <thumper> hi lifeless
[02:57] <thumper> lifeless: home?
[03:01] <lifeless> thumper: yes
[03:01] <lifeless> just walked in ze door
[03:02] <thumper> and straight onto irc?
[03:02] <lifeless> well, it is a work day
[03:02] <lifeless> clothes into laundry pile
[03:02] <lifeless> laptop on charger, fire up the standard work env
[03:05] <lifeless> I doubt I'll get all that much done 'today' though
[03:06] <igc> hi lifeless
[03:08] <lifeless> hiya
[03:13] <lifeless> igc: are you home now?
[03:16] <igc> lifeless: yes indeed
[03:16] <igc> lifeless: and back at work at last
[03:16] <lifeless> cool
[03:22] <lifeless> is it just me, or is the emacs-editor-locking thread a little high in the handwavy, little low in the read-whats-been-written-about-the-guts stakes?
[03:25] <spiv> lifeless: it's not just you
[03:26] <spiv> I think my main work for the day will be making sure I take cold & flu pills regularly...
[03:26] <igc> hi spiv
[03:26] <spiv> Hey igc
[03:33] <lifeless> spiv: ubuflued?
[03:42] <spiv> lifeless: mildly, I hope.
[03:42] <spiv> It feels like something that a good night's sleep might fix.
[03:54] <Peng_> With bzr-search indexing committers and stuff, does that mean we have to delete and recreate the indexes or something?
[03:59] <Peng_> Or run "bzr index" again or...?
[04:01] <Peng_> (Although, with bug #580534, that might not work anyway...)
[04:04]  * igc lunch
[04:09] <mwhudson> igc: great to see you back online again!
[04:10] <lifeless> Peng_: delete the index
[04:12] <Peng_> lifeless: Do you know where #580534 fits in? I don't want to delete everything and then discover I can't recreate it.
[04:12] <lifeless> bug 580534
[04:12] <lifeless> bah caches
[04:12] <lifeless> its fixed
[04:13] <lifeless> it was broken by the index reordering stuff in trunk
[04:13] <Peng_> Oh, awesome.
[05:17] <igc> hi mwhudson: thanks!
[05:57] <lifeless> ok, halt(); am naffed
[07:00] <igc> bbl
[07:22] <vila> hi all
[13:48] <vila> fullermd: ping
[13:49] <vila> fullermd: gmp conflict while trying to upgrade freebsd8 (gmp-5.0.1 with libgmp-4.3.2 involved for py-pycrypto and bazaar-ng)
[13:55] <vila> fullermd: nm, pkg_delete -f libwhatver ; pkgdb -F ; portupgrade py-pycrypto appears to do the trick, sanity check welcome though
[14:45] <guijemont> hi
[14:45] <guijemont> are there bzr-gtk people here?
[14:46] <jelmer> guijemont: hi
[14:46] <jelmer> yep
[14:46] <guijemont> cool
[14:47] <guijemont> I've been scratching an itch lately
[14:48] <guijemont> that is, I want bzr viz to have the history graph "collapsed"
[14:48] <guijemont> like qlog does
[14:48] <guijemont> am starting to have something working
[14:49] <guijemont> though not finished yet
[14:49] <guijemont> dunno if you would be interested in integrating such a patch when it's finished
[14:50] <jelmer> Yeah, we'd definitely be interested in something like that
[14:50] <guijemont> I found myself refactoring things quite a bit in the TreeModel
[14:50] <jelmer> though I would encourage you to move the logic to determine those graphs from qbzr into bzrlib
[14:50] <jelmer> and then use that logic from both qbzr and bzr-gtk
[14:50] <guijemont> yeah, would probably be clever
[14:50] <guijemont> do you know how the graph is generated in qbzr?
[14:51] <jelmer> you might also want to talk to garvdm
[14:51] <jelmer> he is the author of that code in qbzr and is also interested in moving the qbzr logic up
[14:51] <guijemont> haven't lkooked at the code, but it's much faster to start: does it generate the graph on the fly when expanding a node ?
[14:52] <guijemont> oh, and also, are there code standards to respect in bzr-gtk?
[14:53] <guijemont> would that be the same as the ones for bzr?
[14:53] <mgz> vila: did we mess something up with babune? because it looks like everything *but* windows is deadlocking in bt.per_repository now
[14:53] <mgz> hey gary.
[14:53] <jelmer> guijemont: basically the coding standard would be the same
[14:53] <vila> mgz: no idea, I'm currently upgrading a lot of various things and haven't investigated yet
[14:54] <jelmer> speaking ofthe devil...
[14:54] <vila> mgz: and congrats for your new and shiny and easy to recognize nick :-P
[14:54] <mgz> ehehe :)
[14:54] <GaryvdM> Hi mgz  (are you Martin GZ?)
[14:54] <mgz> yeah, vila made me get a non-ridiculous nick
[14:54] <GaryvdM> Oh - ok
[14:55] <GaryvdM> Hi vila, jelmer
[14:55] <vila> mgz: but to answer to your first question, I don't think we've messed up anything, most probably an unfortuante coincidence
[14:55] <jelmer> hi vila, GaryvdM, mgz
[14:55] <vila> hey jelmer, GaryvdM  :)
[14:55] <vila> mgz: but if you feel otherwise, I'm all ears
[14:55] <mgz> ehehe
[14:55] <guijemont> yeah, hi .*
[14:56] <guijemont> GaryvdM: so, are you the one who knows about the visual graph generation stuff in qbzr?
[14:56] <mgz> I looked at the history and didn't see anything likely, but yell if you want me to try poking anything here
[14:56] <vila> guijemont: wow, yeah, there is definetly interest for that and GaryvdM's brain is the one you want to suck from :)
[14:57] <GaryvdM> guijemont: I wrote the code...
[14:57] <vila> mgz: I'd like to setup debug-windows to a branch of yours so you and modify it so you can add a test.this file with the tests you're interested in instead
[14:57] <guijemont> if ppl want to play with where I'm at (quite functional) for collapsing in bzr viz, it's at lp:~guijemont/bzr-gtk/collapsed-merges
[14:58] <GaryvdM> vila: If I want to run some test code in a subprocess, should I create a hidden command, and have a blackbox test, or is there an easier way.
[14:58] <vila> mgz: AIUI we now have ~260 new failures we didn't see before
[14:58] <guijemont> GaryvdM: does it generate the graph info on the fly, or is it just better than bzr viz to precompute that?
[14:58] <mgz> yeah, I put a message in a bug about that. fixing the reporting stuff means we're now seeing them all.
[14:59] <vila> GaryvdM: ECONTEXT, don't you enough support in qbzr with qrun or something ?
[14:59] <mgz> vast majority are thread-leak related, makes me wonder if your chunking of tests into small groups workaround has slipped?
[15:00] <GaryvdM> guijemont: Will respond in a sec
[15:00] <vila> guijemont: I think GaryvdM tested qlog with some mysql branch, you should try and see if you get comparable results
[15:00] <mgz> put up branches for some of the others that I can repo here.
[15:00] <vila> mgz: leaks coming back is what I fear the most
[15:01] <GaryvdM> vila: no. qrun is a dialog for running a arbertery bzr command,
[15:01] <GaryvdM> vila: qlog is to big
[15:01] <guijemont> vila: well, for now, my changes in viz are purely graphical, it's still as slow (or maybe slower) as before
[15:02] <vila> mgz: but thinking about hudson hanging on zombies made me realized I should file a bug there as that's clearly a blocking one
[15:02] <GaryvdM> vila: I want a test for the threading infrastructure, not the threading infrastructure and qlog. :-)
[15:02] <vila> mgz: (not that I suspect zombies right now, but you never know with those undeads...)
[15:03] <GaryvdM> guijemont: When I wrote qlog, I refactored the code so that the logic could easily be reused in bzr-gtk, and others.
[15:03] <vila> GaryvdM: hmm, but do you still need to use bzr to launch your main then ?
[15:03] <GaryvdM> vila: yes, because it needs to know how to import qbzr
[15:03]  * vila hugs GaryvdM for thinking about reuse
[15:04] <vila> GaryvdM: ouch, ok, I see
[15:04] <guijemont> GaryvdM: yeah, jelmer was talking about the idea of merging it in bzrlib
[15:04] <guijemont> GaryvdM: do you know what still needs to be done to make that happen?
[15:04] <GaryvdM> guijemont: I plan to move this logic into bzrlib, but I'm going to need a better test suit.
[15:04] <vila> GaryvdM: then an hidden command is probably your best bet.... can you lazy register a test command ?
[15:05] <vila> GaryvdM: do you start to see why you may want to address the root bug instead of going with a work-around :-} :-/
[15:05] <mgz> vila: I'm going to do a complete test run on my machinary just to confirm that nothing on trunk has affected thread-problems
[15:05] <guijemont> GaryvdM: ok. I think I will have a look at that code and try to make bzr-gtk work with it in the meantime
[15:05] <GaryvdM> vila: Yes - but fixing the root bug is hard
[15:06] <GaryvdM> guijemont: The relevant code it the qbzr branch is lib/loggraphprovider.py
[15:06] <GaryvdM> *in the
[15:06] <guijemont> ok
[15:06] <vila> GaryvdM: may be you can register the command just before launching the test subprocess and avoid polluting the name space ?
[15:07] <vila> vila: Did I really just suggest such an idiotic idea ?
[15:07] <GaryvdM> vila: but that would need to happen in the subprocess,
[15:07] <guijemont> is qbzr at lp:qbzr?
[15:07] <guijemont> I guess so, seems to work
[15:08] <GaryvdM> guijemont: yes
[15:08] <GaryvdM> guijemont: There are 2 qbzr imports in that file that we would need to do something about.
[15:10] <GaryvdM> LogGraphProvider is a base class, and there is a specific qbzr LogGraphProvider in lib/logmodel.py
[15:11]  * GaryvdM looks at lp:~guijemont/bzr-gtk/collapsed-merges
[15:11] <guijemont> GaryvdM: I barely touched the graph generation stuff  though
[15:12] <guijemont> the code didn't look like it wanted to be changed (it's basically one huge function)
[15:12] <mgz> I do wonder whether it might not be easier to just rewrite all client-server tests to use a subprocess server, which can just be killed on teardown
[15:12] <vila> guijemont, GaryvdM : If you manage to share the exact some code, there will be a strong case to include it in the core
[15:13] <guijemont> I think I'll try to go in that direction
[15:13] <vila> mgz: easier, may be (there are a few tests that directly talk to the server though) but the performance will surely suffer
[15:13] <guijemont> might find bugs in the process, who knows
[15:13] <mgz> can't perform worse than a hang ;)
[15:14] <vila> mgz: hehe, hangs are generally due to uncaught exceptions which is the first thing I want to address
[15:17] <mgz> selftest-freebsd looks stuck to me, probably needs killing.
[15:18] <vila> mgz: yeah, as soon as I get a free hand :)
[15:19] <vila> mgz: it was my last hope for a blue icon :-/
[15:20] <GaryvdM> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~guijemont/bzr-gtk/collapsed-merges/". :-(
[15:20] <vila> mgz: I'm about to upgrade to lucid and will come back later
[15:21] <guijemont> hmm, did I mistype it?
[15:21] <guijemont>     push branch: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~guijemont/bzr-gtk/collapsed_merges/
[15:22] <guijemont> haha
[15:22] <guijemont> _ not -
[15:22] <guijemont> sorry
[15:22] <GaryvdM> ok - np
[15:22] <jelmer> vila: quickest upgrade ever!
[15:23] <GaryvdM> jelmer: vila is offline
[15:23] <vila> hehe, isn't it ? lucid rocks !
[15:23] <GaryvdM> Oh wow back allready!!!!
[15:23] <vila> GaryvdM: I rejoined from my laptop while upgrading the desktopn :)
[15:23] <GaryvdM> Oh - very pro...
[15:23] <vila> ...and will soon update babune too
[15:24] <vila> GaryvdM: hehe, the joy of versioned setups :)
[15:25] <mgz> dammit, testtools change has borked my setup again.
[15:26] <mgz> now seems like there's no way at all of getting a stack from an expected failure
[15:29] <GaryvdM> guijemont: fyi qbzr/lib/loggraphprovider.py was derived from bzr-gtk/branchview/linegraph.py, but has change substantially.
[15:30] <guijemont> ok
[15:30] <guijemont> to be honest, I don't like much the code in bzr-gtk/branchview/linegraph.py though
[15:31] <vila> mgz: are you sure stack backtraces are available to testtools ? I would have tought that only the tests themselves could get them, and even that...
[15:31] <guijemont> a huge function with tuples everywhere, and variable names that tend to look like each other
[15:32] <vila> wow, first time ever I'm able to get gdm working on gentoo...
[15:32] <GaryvdM> guijemont: Sorry - I'm partially to blame for that. loggraphprovider.py is better at that.
[15:32] <mgz> they're not really, I've had to add hacks to get them back unmangled
[15:33] <mgz> there's a 'wishlist' bug on testtools to restore things to how they were before
[15:34] <GaryvdM> guijemont: LogGraphProvider loads a lot of data at load and caches it. Each time you colapse and expand in qlog, the whole graph layout is recomputed, but because of the caches, that is very fast.
[15:36] <guijemont> ok, that is the secret
[15:36] <GaryvdM> guijemont: These are the entry points for LogGraphProvider:
[15:36] <GaryvdM> open_branch or open_locations
[15:37] <GaryvdM> load_graph_all_revisions or load_graph_all_revisions_for_annotate
[15:37] <GaryvdM> Those are called on load^
[15:37] <vila> mgz: an old or a recent bug ?
[15:38] <GaryvdM> compute_graph_lines is call each time you collapse or expand.
[15:38] <GaryvdM> guijemont: ^
[15:38] <mgz> vila: old, from r4920 when testtools was merged and broke a bunch of things for me
[15:38] <mgz> I still have bugs to file on other issues too.
[15:39] <vila> mgz: ok, may be you should start with that then ? :-/
[15:39] <guijemont> GaryvdM: ok
[15:39] <guijemont> will try playing a bit with it
[15:40] <guijemont> after having cleaned the flat, that is...
[15:43] <GaryvdM> guijemont: Good luck. Fell free to bug me when I am on irc, or mail me on either the bzr, bzr-gtk or qbzr mailing lists
[15:44] <guijemont> ok, thanks
[15:45] <GaryvdM> guijemont: Btw qlog is missing 2 features that bzr-gtk has:
[15:45] <GaryvdM> guijemont: a Progress bar
[15:45] <GaryvdM> guijemont: and filtering revisions from the command line.
[15:46] <mgz> selftest related - am I mad, or does --strict do absolutely nothing?
[15:47] <mgz> I want to see a real traceback for this expected failure, and can't work out a way to make bzr let me
[16:54] <nessita> hello everyone! I need help on the following: I have a branch of a project X where I need to moved out a subfolder to another subfolder in project Y. I've tried bzr split but I can't push the splitted folder into a branch subfolder. Any ideas how can I workaround this? (I need to preserve the history from the source project)
[16:58] <nessita> this is basically what I need to do https://pastebin.canonical.com/32341/
[16:59] <nessita> oops, that link is not open to everyone, this is public: http://nessita.pastebin.com/nmRpjHXa
[17:26] <vila> mgz: sry to have missed that earlier, but why do you want to see a traceback on an expected failure ? The test pass (its failure is expected) so nothing should be output
[17:26] <vila> mgz: may be you *had* tracebacks when *trying* to handle the expected failure and things are now working correctly ?
[17:26] <mgz> ha, you ask just as I have bent testtools to my will
[17:27] <jelmer_> :-)
[17:27] <mgz> I want it because there's some useful information in there, particularly what the failure is exactly and what line it came from
[17:28] <mgz> so, the code I needed was:
[17:28] <mgz> if _post_testtools_apocalypse:
[17:28] <mgz> 	test.addOnException(self._set_real_exc_info)
[17:28] <mgz> and:
[17:28] <mgz> def addExpectedFailure(self, test, err=None, details=None):
[17:28] <mgz> 	if err is None:
[17:28] <mgz> 		err = getattr(self, "_real_exc_info", None)
[17:28] <mgz> 		olderr = err[1].args[0]
[17:28] <mgz> 		if isinstance(olderr, tuple) and len(olderr) == 3:
[17:28] <mgz> 			# This is the knock-on ExpectedFailure, but it's passed the
[17:28] <mgz> 			# original exc_info for some reason, so get that back
[17:28] <mgz> 			err = olderr[0], olderr[1], err[2]
[17:43] <vila> mgz: hmm, this is really ugly, it may be correct though, I have no idea :D
[17:44] <vila> what is post_testtools_apocalypse ?
[17:44] <mgz> well, with a few more pokes looks like I've finally got full test run going
[17:44] <mgz> will give result when I get back in an hour and a half
[17:45] <mgz> ^just a check to see if we're post r4920 or not, my tests for this code run it against multiple bzrlib versions to make sure I don't regress
[17:45] <vila> ho, ok
[17:46] <vila> mgz: I may not be there anymore in far less than an hour :) But if you post to the list, I will certainly read
[17:46] <mgz> will do if I find anything interesting, otherwise I'll just file bugs
[17:47] <mgz> (my aborted run earlier got thread leaks as normal, but no "failed to start thread" stuff, so I think we've not regressed that, so probably an environment change causing it rather than code)
[17:48] <mgz> right, gotta go.
[18:11] <fullermd> vila: Yes, gmp rename.
[18:11] <vila> fullermd: wait... were you *sleeping* ???? :-P
[18:11] <vila> fullermd: thanks for the confirmation ;)
[18:11] <vila> err, the *explanation*
[18:12] <vila> fullermd: as you can guess, I shot in the dark hoping for the best :)
[18:13] <fullermd> I wasn't sleeping.  I was just resting my eyes.
[18:14] <vila> an thinking so deeply you were making some weird noise, yeah, I do that too, I don't understand why they call it snoring...
[18:15] <fullermd> I know!  My, uh, engine is just a little imbalanced when it's running that hard!
[18:15]  * fullermd nods at himself.
[18:47] <Lor> Is there a simple way to make a merged-in branch the mainline?
[18:48] <Lor> The non-simple way would be to just merge in the other direction, but this might require setting up another branch locally.
[18:50] <GaryvdM> Lor
[18:51] <GaryvdM> Lor: Unfortunatly not.
[18:51] <GaryvdM> Lor: There has been talk of a "land" command though.
[18:53] <Lor> Right. The problem is how to merge stuff into the true mainline from a feature branch. A merge + push will turn the feature branch into the new mainline.
[18:53] <Lor> A pqm would of course solve this, but it's pretty heavyweight.
[18:56] <maxb> Yes. It's rather annoying. You'll have to have another branch locally
[18:57] <Lor> It's not really a big deal, of course.
[18:58] <Lor> Branches are conceptually a bit heavyweight, though.
[18:58] <Lor> I'm not sure if it's a good idea to require them all to have a separate directory with its own .bzr.
[18:59] <Lor> I'd appreciate fuller support for lightweight heads (after all, a branch is really just a head) like the ones loom uses.
[19:10] <GaryvdM> sigh - I have way to many in progress qbzr branches ...
[19:28] <nessita> anyone around with knowledge in bzr-fastimport plugin?
[19:30] <mgz> oooh, good news, I got the hang, and the thread problems
[19:32] <mgz> and Alexander's diff problems with newlines
[19:39] <mgz> hang in bt.test_lockable_files.TestLockableFiles_RemoteLockDir.test_break_lock but that's probably just going to be any unlucky smartmedium using test
[19:42] <mgz> okay, the only revs between my last good full run and this in the blame for bzrlib/tests/test_smart.py are r5223 and r5232
[19:45] <mgz> hm... both look reasonably innocent. will try backing out Robert's change and see if that helps.
[19:47] <jelmer> nessita: you probably want to talk to igc when he's around
[19:48] <nessita> jelmer: thanks! I'll try ping him
[19:56] <mgz> hey Alexander.
[19:56] <mgz> I think I understand those test failures you were getting with merges
[19:57] <mgz> they were all (diff3) paramatised ones right? I see them now, so will file a bug and patch later.
[19:59] <bialix> hey mister
[20:00] <bialix> will be nice, thanks
[20:00] <bialix> how's your trip back to home?
[20:00] <bialix> mgz: ^
[20:01] <mgz> a lot less stressful than the one over :)
[20:02] <bialix> :-)
[20:03] <bialix> you finally found the right nick ;-)
[20:04] <mgz> blame vila!
[20:04] <bialix> :-D
[20:08] <bialix> my home internet is sooooooo sloooooooooooow after uds one :-(
[20:11] <mgz> my home internet is very fast compared to UDS. terrible latency there, had to wait till someone had left their laptop unattended ;)
[20:16] <bialix> :-)
[20:34] <GaryvdM> bialix: Hi
[20:34] <GaryvdM> mgz: lol
[20:34] <bialix> heya
[20:35] <bialix> GaryvdM: I've missed a good joke?
[20:35] <GaryvdM> internet was slow for mgz...
[20:35] <GaryvdM> bialix: ^
[20:36] <bialix> ah, yes
[20:36] <bialix> terribly slow
[20:37] <bialix> GaryvdM: it was true about my hangover
[20:37] <bialix> I'm trying to talk in English with people here in Ukraine. crazy
[20:37] <GaryvdM> bialix: Made some progress with the threads branch. Error reporting better, got tests passing, and have push branch to lp.
[20:37] <GaryvdM> bialix: lol...
[20:37] <bialix> wow
[20:48] <Lor> What is the easiest way to get rid of a big file that was accidentally added to a branch and takes inordinate amounts of space in a repository?
[20:48] <Lor> I know that it is in principle possible to rewrite history and alter the commit that added the file, and then replay everything back.
[20:48] <LeoNerd> Heh... fun
[20:49] <LeoNerd> You'll change the commit IDs, and anyone who's branched from you since then will shoot you
[20:49] <Lor> This is for private development, so that's not a huge problem.
[20:49] <LeoNerd> search for "bzr obliterate"
[20:49] <Lor> But still, it would be even better if it was just possible to tell the repository to get rid of the text of that file.
[20:50]  * LeoNerd runs away
[20:51] <mgz> okay, not r5222 at fault, will probably just do 5222 + (5222-5200)/2 next
[20:53] <mgz> *r5223
[21:15] <prkos> Hi! How do I get just the source of an application every once in a while but so it's fast to download, I only need it to compile, I won't do dev work on it so I don't need history
[21:23] <bialix> try `bzr checkout --lightweight`
[21:25] <prkos> bialix: thanx, what's the workflow with that, I always do it in the same folder, and compile somewhere else?
[21:25] <bialix> I don't understand\
[21:25] <bialix> it's like doing `cvs checkout
[21:26] <prkos> I tried it one before but it compile with some features missing
[21:27] <prkos> I've read about the lightweight option but it's not easy to understand from a non-dev point of view
[21:27] <bialix> what is `source of an application`?
[21:28] <prkos> source code
[21:28] <prkos> so I can compile the application
[21:29] <prkos> I'm not sure if that's the tree in bzr?
[21:29] <prkos> working tree?
[21:29] <bialix> so you'd better download tarball with the sources
[21:29] <bialix> working tree, yes, -- it's the files under version control
[21:30] <bialix> lightweight checkout creates working tree without history
[21:30] <prkos> is there a bzr command for the tarball source for an application on lp?
[21:31] <bialix> `bzr export` but I'm not sure about lp
[21:31] <bialix> there was feature request for loggerhead to add the option: download sources as tarball
[21:31] <bialix> hey loggerhead devs, are you here?
[21:34] <prkos> once I do a lightweight checkout, how do I update to get the new code - bzr update?
[21:35] <prkos> will it only download the source without history as the first time?
[21:36] <bialix> yep
[21:46] <bialix> ~~~
[22:24] <MvG> jam: Are you this week's patch pilot, as the wiki claims?
[22:24]  * jelmer waves
[22:25]  * MvG notices the away state of jam
[23:02] <MvG> jam: Now that you seem to be back from away: are you this week's patch pilot? If so, shouldn't the topic reflect this fact?
[23:03] <MvG> :-)
[23:03] <jam> MvG: yeah, I'm this weeks pp
[23:03] <jam> I'm mostly recovering from traveling today, but I'll certainly be giving it some attention this week
[23:04] <MvG> Happy to hear that.
[23:04] <MvG> I'll particularly appreciate any comments on my outstanding merge requests.
[23:05] <MvG> Those about bash_completion plugin.
[23:06] <MvG> https://code.launchpad.net/~gagern/bzr/bug560030-include-bash-completion-plugin/+merge/23912 was already approved by vila, but will need a second opinion.
[23:06] <MvG> https://code.launchpad.net/~gagern/bzr/bash_completion-ExecutableFeature/+merge/24951 depends on the former, and might benefit tests beside those for bash_completion.


[00:57] <izzy200198> hi
[00:58] <izzy200198>  someone please help me im getting busybox on 8.10 install. cannot create root/var/log. this does not happen if i install 8.04 on same machine. anyone?
[10:31] <jimcooncat> Hardy netbooting driving me crazy, DHCP works fine for starting the installation, but when it runs the second time, it times out -- most of the time. Does this sound familiar?