[00:04] <micahg> lfaraone: why did you sync tuxguitar?
[00:11] <slangasek> cpscotti: in the bug log, it mentions that this only breaks things with opencv 2 but that 2 is not the version in the repo - is that correct?
[00:11] <slangasek> hmm, looks like that comment is out of date
[00:12] <cpscotti> exactly
[00:12] <cpscotti> n lucid it is opencv2
[00:12] <slangasek> ok, accepted
[00:12] <cpscotti> thanks
[00:42] <ScottK> ubuntujenkins: Generally it's not done.
[02:39] <psusi> bawk? robot chicken? ;)
[04:54] <micahg> lfaraone: are you around?
[04:55] <lfaraone> micahg: yes.
[04:55] <micahg> lfaraone: do you want to PM or chat in herE?
[04:56] <lfaraone> micahg: PM is fine.
[07:37] <dholbach> good morning
[07:45] <ajmitch> morning dholbach
[07:46] <dholbach> hi ajmitch
[07:54] <ubuntujenkins> thanks ScottK
[08:59] <DeeJay1> hi, anybody knows how gnome-pkg-tools work?
[09:38] <\sh> moins
[10:59] <suji> dholbach: hi
[11:01] <dholbach> hi suji
[11:02] <suji> dholbach: the bug was fixed, then when it will be available in ubuntu repo
[11:02] <dholbach> http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/iok
[11:02] <dholbach> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/iok/1.3.10-0ubuntu1
[11:02] <dholbach> See the "Builds" there?
[11:03] <dholbach> it usually takes a few hours depending on how many other packages were uploaded
[11:03] <dholbach> think of it as a long queue
[11:04] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/PackageArchive has more info on the building/publishing process
[11:12] <soren> dholbach: I'm looking at the recipe stuff right now. I'm curious what the output format is? A native package, perhaps?
[11:15] <dholbach> james_w: ^?
[11:16] <dholbach> soren: I just did a test for example-content and it was (as expected) native
[11:17] <soren> dholbach: Ok, cool. Thanks.
[11:17] <suji> dholbach: ok
[11:42] <soren> dholbach, james_w: Is there any way to override the source package name using these recipes?
[11:42] <lifeless> set it in changelog
[11:42] <soren> lifeless: That's what it's based off of? Great, then I don't need to do anything :)
[11:43] <lifeless> modulo bugs :P
[11:43] <soren> lifeless: Ah, lovely. You're right. \o/
[11:45] <lifeless> I try
[11:57] <james_w> soren: it's currently always a native package
[11:57] <james_w> soren: I have a small spec about making it smarter, but it's not implemented yet
[11:59] <soren> james_w: Alright. It looks very interesting.
[11:59] <soren> james_w: I found it a bit odd that I had to set the target distro in two places on Launchpad, thought.
[11:59] <soren> -t
[12:00] <james_w> soren: what were the two places?
[12:00] <soren> james_w: Hmm.. Let me check again.
[12:00] <soren> james_w: Ah, right, yes, I have to set it for the recipe itself, and again when I request a build.
[12:01] <mase_home> soren, are you the soren working on the KVM stuff in ubuntu ?
[12:01] <james_w> soren: the first is informational, would you file a bug saying that it should be made clear, or the two should be made one?
[12:02] <soren> mase_home: Hm.. sort of.
[12:02] <soren> mase_home: I don't work on it so much anymore, but I'm the Soren who used to.
[12:02] <mase_home> soren, ok well just wanted to say that Lucid + KVM is brilliant
[12:02] <soren> mase_home: :)
[12:02] <mase_home> if you had anything to do with that, thank you!
[12:02] <mase_home> i just got rid of the nightmare that was Xen and with KVM stuff is just working
[12:03] <mase_home> virsh is beautiful
[12:03] <mase_home> everything is working, i don't have random kernel issues
[12:03] <mase_home> its just beautiful
[12:03] <soren> james_w: I'll see if I can squeeze it in when I understand it all a bit better.
[12:04] <soren> ?!?
[12:04] <soren> bzr: ERROR: no such option: --append-version
[12:04] <james_w> soren: locally?
[12:04] <soren> james_w: No.
[12:05] <soren> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~soren/+recipe/daily/+build/20
[12:05] <james_w> soren: well, that's a bug, it's using the wrong bzr-builder version :-0
[12:41] <effie_jayx> hello, all, I am having issues with pbuilder after updating a chroot env
[12:41] <effie_jayx> I am getting an error extracting the tar
[12:41] <effie_jayx> tar: Skipping to next header
[12:41] <effie_jayx> tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors
[12:42] <effie_jayx> should I delete the maverick tar and create again?
[12:58] <effie_jayx> I aalso noticed that in the ost recent packags I have gathered for merging the source directory has the ubuntu naming schema
[12:58] <effie_jayx> first time I see this
[13:25] <happyaron> google code has changed and we need a new debian/watch, but what if I need to use dfsg? I mean dealing with googlecode should have and opts=downloadurlmangle=something, and for dfsg an opts=dversionmangle=something, how to make it work?
[13:57] <DeeJay1> hi, how do I make dpkg-buildpackage not look for lzma archives?
[14:01] <DeeJay1> http://pastebin.com/Dh4Qpj6M - here's the output of bzr builddeb :/
[14:13] <james_w> DeeJay1: what is lzma in that output?
[14:14] <james_w> oh, I see it
[14:14] <james_w> that's odd
[14:14] <james_w> please file a bug, I think it's just a misleading warning message
[14:14] <james_w> DeeJay1: does this package use gnome-pkg-tools?
[14:15] <DeeJay1> james_w: yes
[14:16] <james_w> that is known to be broken for the get-orig-source part
[14:17] <DeeJay1> oh crap
[14:17] <DeeJay1> so it's time to write my own scripts for the daily builds, well
[14:19] <DeeJay1> thanks for the info
[14:31] <james_w> DeeJay1: I don't see what your paste had to do with Launchpad daily builds
[14:38] <mase_home> hey guys, is there anyone around that could discuss  git-buildpackage and pristine tar ? with me. i am not sure if its what i need in order to help me with packaging
[14:40] <DeeJay1> james_w: sorry, I used the wrong phrase, I wanted to do daily builds of some packages it wasn't launchpad related
[14:43] <DeeJay1> nvm
[14:46] <lfaraone> dholbach: could you add me to ~ubuntu-sponsors
[14:47] <dholbach> lfaraone: done
[15:06] <lfaraone> crimsun: would you have a chance to approve https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~lfaraone/ubuntu/maverick/imagemagick/graphviz-rebuild/+merge/25634 ? It's just a rebuild of imagemagick
[16:00] <geser> nobody sponsored this yet?
[16:14] <lfaraone> geser: imagemagick? no.
[16:34] <zaytsev> hi
[16:35] <zaytsev> anybody could provide me with a pointer to an example package that generates an app (console) and python module package from the same source?
[16:36] <zaytsev> the Python module is in the subfolder in the upstream tree
[16:37] <zaytsev> they use autotools build system and distutils. so just make install creates folders in lib/python2.6 dist/site packages
[16:38] <zaytsev> I have read the Python packaging policies, but this point is yet unclear to me... I don't get it how CDBS will decide which files go to which subpackage.
[16:43] <mok0> zaytsev: files go in the directories where <package-name>.install file tells them to
[17:13] <mok0>  After upgrading to Lucid, I can no longer make Thunderbird launch Chrome (instead of firefox). In the karmic version, you can edit the advanced settings, but those no longer work with version 3.0 of Thunderbird. Has anyone solved this problem?
[17:17] <hyperair> i've never even seen that problem before =\
[17:18] <mok0> hyperair: It appeard with TB3
[17:20] <hyperair> mok0: i've been using tb3 all the while =\
[17:25] <mok0> hyperair: ... and chrome?
[17:26] <hyperair> mok0: yes, it has always followed gnome's preferences, which meant either minefield or chromium, depending on my mood
[17:26] <mok0> Hm, I am using kubuntu
[17:27] <hyperair> well considering it did honour my prefs, it might have been using xdg-open or something
[17:28] <mok0> hyperair: xdg-open opens chrome here
[17:29] <hyperair> oh
[17:29] <hyperair> hmm weird
[17:29] <mok0> When I click a link in a mail nothing happens
[17:30] <mok0> It used to start FF, but not even that
[17:30] <mok0> Otherwise, I am very satisfied with TB3
[17:32] <hyperair> =\
[17:32] <hyperair> i'm very dissatisfied with TB3's memory footprint
[17:32] <hyperair> it drives my machine (and consequently, me) up the wall
[17:32] <mok0> hyperair: oh
[17:33] <hyperair> but functionality wise, no other mail client can match TB3
[17:33] <mok0> hyperair: I was worried about that... this rig has 6Gb so I tend not to worry about tit
[17:33] <hyperair> meh
[17:33] <hyperair> i've only got 2G
[17:33] <mok0> :-)
[17:33] <hyperair> and TB insists on using at least 200MB
[17:34] <mok0> Yikes
[17:37] <psusi> hyperair: you using local mbox?
[17:37] <mok0> Ah something that isn't right here: gconftool-2 -g /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/command
[17:38] <mok0> gives /usr/bin/chromium %s
[17:38] <mok0> and it should be chromium-browser
[17:38] <psusi> hyperair: and are you looking at vm size or rss?  if using local mbox, tbird mmap()s the whole thing, so it's vm size can get quite large if you have very large mail boxes, but that does not translate into used ram
[17:39] <mok0> yay!!
[17:39] <hyperair> psusi: rsz. i'm not stupid. if i stared at vsz for every damn thing, i'd be worrying about gnome-terminal's memory usage as well.
[17:41] <psusi> hehe
[17:42] <psusi> tbird does still use this retarded and horribly inefficient "MORK" index format I still can't believe they haven't ditched
[17:46] <hyperair> mork index format?
[17:46] <hyperair> what's that?
[17:46] <hyperair> also, i think evolution has the potential to be better than tb, if only it didn't expect the network to be 100% reliable all the time.
[17:47] <hyperair> that's the only application i have ever used that has ever hung due to bad network conditions before
[17:47] <hyperair> and pretty consistently too
[17:52] <psusi> it's a lame format some nut came up with before mozilla was mozilla to index your mail
[17:53] <psusi> and it's hideously inefficient...
[17:54] <psusi> I've been trying to use evolution lately and I find that it is horribly slow... when I fire it up and try to read mail in my inbox, it seems to be trying to do 3 other things at once, and it takes a good 10 seconds to load up the first unread message
[17:54] <psusi> I also can't seem to find a way to get it to cache the last 2 weeks of mail locally like tbird does... it seems it either caches ALL your imap mail locally, or none
[17:55] <psusi> I also can't seem to get it to show me threads with unread messages like tbird does... you can hide read messages, but I like to see the whole thread for context if any message in the thread is unread
[18:54] <artfwo_> hello! would anyone like to sponsor a (trivial) merge? bug 586918
[19:00] <ScottK> artfwo_: I think that should be a sync, not a merge.
[19:00] <ScottK> I commented in the bug.
[19:05] <artfwo_> ScottK, that has been discussed before, I was advised to do a merge when there was version 2.0.2
[19:05] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aiccu/+bug/544910 => could somebody check this ?
[19:08] <ScottK> artfwo_: OK.  That's my opinion.
[19:09] <artfwo_> But I am also okay with syncing, should I convert the bug to a sync request?
[19:17] <ScottK> That would be my recommendation.
[19:23] <shadeslayer> jono: awesome stream ;)
[20:59] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aiccu/+bug/544910 => could somebody sponsor this ?!
[21:22] <shadeslayer> hi suppose i want to upload a new source for a package what do i version it as
[21:32] <ChogyDan> shadeslayer: whats the old version?
[21:34] <shadeslayer> ChogyDan: oh nvm.. i figured it out
[21:34] <ChogyDan> mk
[21:34] <shadeslayer> i renamed it to kdegames-4.4.80a-0ubuntu1~ppa1
[21:35] <shadeslayer> bhargav: thanks for that ;)
[21:36] <bhargav> shaseslayer: :) anytime
[21:36] <shadeslayer> bhargav: checkout the links in the chan topic :)
[22:05] <arand> I'm trying to "git clone git://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/e2fsprogs.git" but I get "fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly", is the repo line wrong?
[22:06] <shadeslayer> arand: no,but you have connection issues
[22:06] <shadeslayer> or the server is down or something
[22:07] <james_w> arand: you probably need a /scott/ in there at least don't you?
[22:07] <arand> shadeslayer: hrm, the gitweb seems at least to be up...
[22:08] <arand> james_w: neither adding scott no projects seem sto work either..
[22:10] <james_w> git clone git://kernel.ubuntu.com/scott/e2fsprogs.git
[22:11] <arand> Ok.. that worked, what on earth was I doing wrong before...?
[22:12] <arand> Ah, I had an extra /git/ in there :(


[01:34] <Unit193> bluesabre: Do we want to try and get micahg to slip xfdashboard directly into Ubuntu repos for now?
[03:38] <bluesabre> Unit193: is it stuck in NEW, or has it even been uploaded yet?
[03:38] <Unit193> Second.
[03:38] <bluesabre> yay
[03:39] <bluesabre> Some things just move... a... bit... slowwwwwer
[21:45] <ochosi> evening all
[22:54] <knome> hello ochosi
[22:58] <ochosi> hey knome
[22:58] <ochosi> what's new?
[22:59]  * knome shrugs
[23:03] <ochosi> right :)
[23:34] <bluesabre> evening ochosi, knome
[23:40] <knome> heya bluesabre
[23:42] <ochosi> o hey bluesabre
[23:43] <ochosi> how're things?
[23:44]  * bluesabre shrugs
[23:44] <bluesabre> dinner time, brb
[23:51] <knome> lol
[23:51] <knome> so we have started shrugging to everything
[23:54] <ochosi> bed time, "brb"


[06:29] <theCore> is there someone alive here ?
[06:44] <Tm_T> never
[06:45] <theCore> ok then ...
[06:46] <theCore> the art team doesn't seem strong
[06:46] <Tm_T> true
[06:47] <Tm_T> we do need more active users
[06:47] <Tm_T> and I need time and money to do some artwork
[06:47] <Tm_T> s/users/workers
[10:26] <Tm_T> hi omeg
[10:27] <artnay> Tm_T:
[10:27] <Tm_T> artnay:
[10:28] <artnay> what do you think of wiki?
[10:28] <Tm_T> haven't checked
[10:28] <Tm_T> and can't now
[10:28] <artnay> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork
[10:28] <artnay> you should
[10:29] <Tm_T> I will when I'm home
[10:36] <artnay> where is klepas... the meeting will be held soon and there's no agenda yet :|
[10:36] <artnay> do you guys want to help with that?
[10:45] <Tm_T> cant
[10:45] <Tm_T> I afraid
[10:58] <buggzero> o.0?
[10:58] <Tm_T> exactly
[10:58] <buggzero> this place must be full of live ones
[10:59] <Tm_T> all dead
[10:59] <buggzero> what do you have to do to sign up for this gang
[11:03] <Tm_T> just poke artnay for example
[11:03] <Tm_T> but dont poke too hard, I'd rahter see him alive
[11:03] <buggzero> poke?
[11:03] <Tm_T> too much typos, food ->
[11:03] <buggzero> what about a tap
[11:04] <buggzero> or a prod
[11:13] <artnay> buggzero: hello, what's on your mind?
[11:15] <artnay> really, no comments on new wiki style?
[11:15] <artnay> anyone?
[11:15] <buggzero> well
[11:16] <buggzero> i read the artwork team todo list doohickey
[11:16] <buggzero> i want to sign up?
[11:16] <artnay> sure, go ahead
[11:16] <buggzero> how does one do that
[11:16] <buggzero> im like new to all of this
[11:16] <buggzero> well not everything
[11:16] <buggzero> linux
[11:16] <artnay> AFAIK henrik removed all names from the list
[11:17] <artnay> so so...
[11:17] <artnay> s/removed/moved
[11:17] <artnay> to this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtTeam/Members
[11:17] <artnay> add yourself there and hang on this channel
[11:18] <artnay> feel free to ask any questions
[11:18] <buggzero> how do i add myself?
[11:19] <artnay> first of all, you need to have an account
[11:19] <artnay> I guess there's "signup" in the upper right corner
[11:19] <buggzero> oh... so thats what that things for
[11:19] <artnay> use that account to access launchpad.net and edit wiki pages
[11:20] <buggzero> i figureed you8 were talking about a bank account
[11:20] <artnay> you might want to give me your visa verification code :p
[11:23] <buggzero> 12345
[11:23] <buggzero> okay but how does one actually take on projects and what not
[11:24] <artnay> first thing would be to form a team to do some task
[11:25] <artnay> what were you thinking? which projects interest you?
[11:26] <artnay> read this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/TodoList
[11:27] <artnay> adding (project, *buntu) after your name on contact page will make the start easier for each team
[11:28] <artnay> don't get disappointed because of the current state
[11:28] <artnay> we would need at least 10 active people participating in order to get this process going
[11:29] <artnay> glad you found your way here :)
[11:31] <artnay> AUC to be wiki-based... why am I a bit skeptic of that?
[11:31] <artnay> I think it needs a working rating system, otherwise searching will get complicated when there's lots of contributions
[11:33] <artnay> why am I having a monolog here? let's have a discussion :o
[11:34] <buggzero> sorry theres a xfiles marathon on hd and its the funny one with alex trabeck
[11:35] <artnay> hehe :)
[11:35] <buggzero> ok but where does open submit the product
[11:35] <buggzero> i mean is it self proclaimed?
[11:36] <buggzero> i mean i just want some designs included in the next release i thought that would be pretty bad ass
[11:36] <artnay> so you want actually do something? or would like to get what has been done so far?
[11:36] <buggzero> yeah it all seems in a little disarray
[11:37] <buggzero> what?  I want to design, takle some stuff on the todo list
[11:37] <artnay> which tasks are you interested in?
[11:37] <buggzero> well i come from a print and web backround
[11:38] <buggzero> so i would assume splash screens, and the themes and backrounds
[11:38] <buggzero> loading screens
[11:38] <artnay> background, that would be a necessity
[11:38] <buggzero> also the thing about a new fonts
[11:38] <buggzero> about a new font
[11:38] <artnay> that's a bit more compilated issue
[11:39] <artnay> but still it's really something worth of thinking
[11:39] <buggzero> well all the fonts i have so far are similar
[11:39] <artnay> splash screen is quite good actually, and there has been a few new well done splash screens
[11:39] <artnay> so I doubt that it's pretty well covered already, although you can always improve what has been done or create a new one
[11:40] <artnay> if you ask me, there are a few tasks that we should focus on
[11:40] <artnay> unify Usplash, GDM and desktop (this includes colours and shapes)
[11:40] <buggzero> are you like the leader, high chief?
[11:41] <artnay> not that I know :)
[11:42] <artnay> but I guess I'm one of the most active ones involved in this process
[11:42] <artnay> so those weren't facts, just my opinions
[11:43] <artnay> well not just mine, actually ubuntu devs want to keep the current or at least similiar to current Usplash theme
[11:43] <buggzero> well ill take them as facts
[11:43] <buggzero> okay keep in mind im new to ubuntu so whast the u splash?
[11:43] <artnay> are you running ubuntu? have you booted ubuntu?
[11:43] <buggzero> yeah im running it
[11:44] <buggzero> wait
[11:44] <artnay> ok, so it's the process that starts after grub
[11:44] <buggzero> thats the one with the four flag like squares
[11:44] <artnay> when kernel is loading, there's some brown text that tells you what's happening on your system
[11:44] <buggzero> yeah the loader
[11:45] <artnay> yep, the one that's active before the high colour graphical greeter (login manager)
[11:45] <buggzero> allright so they want a new one?
[11:45] <artnay> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Usplash/Artwork
[11:46] <artnay> actually I think people are quite happy with the current one
[11:46] <artnay> as it is used in gfxboot as well
[11:46] <buggzero> 14 colors!
[11:46] <artnay> I know, framebuffer is the limit here
[11:47] <artnay> it has to be so it works well on the most hardware configurations
[11:47] <buggzero> well i always thought it would be cooler if the logo was the loading progress
[11:47] <artnay> there's alternatives to usplash, but they leave a nice share of computers with error msgs etc.
[11:48] <artnay> so by default ubuntu will use usplash, it can be changed after the installation
[11:48] <buggzero> well so waht if we stick with uspash's code but just changed the img?
[11:48] <artnay> what do you mean by logo being the loading process?
[11:49] <buggzero> instead of a rectangle being filled left to right
[11:49] <buggzero> the logo gets colored in a circular fashion
[11:50] <artnay> then people would focus on ubuntu text, not the logo actually
[11:50] <buggzero> well just thinking of something different
[11:50] <artnay> true, that's more than welcome
[11:50] <artnay> or then we could use icons instead of the progress bar, sort os x way
[11:51] <buggzero> i mean its a loading screen, so someting more entertaining is always interesting
[11:51] <artnay> but I don't see that happening
[11:51] <buggzero> well when gnome loads it shows icons
[11:51] <artnay> I get your point, but it's extremely dangerous to play with the logo in a process like that
[11:51] <artnay> what if something fails? it leaves you with "half ubuntu" :)
[11:52] <artnay> and fallbacks to command line
[11:52] <buggzero> ubuntu OG's will be awestruck across the globe
[11:52] <artnay> OG? :o
[11:52] <buggzero> origninal gangster
[11:53] <artnay> hah ;)
[11:54] <buggzero> i mean i think back to windows 98
[11:54] <buggzero> where we took the orignal loader
[11:54] <artnay> isn't xp still using low colours as well?
[11:54] <buggzero> and we made and xwing and a tie figher in combat, and used the lazer blasts as the progress bar
[11:55] <buggzero> yeah its only like 24 colors or something
[11:55] <artnay> have you tried other distros? some use kernel hacks that allow the use of high colour images
[11:55] <buggzero> screw other distros
[11:55] <artnay> hehe :)
[11:55] <buggzero> ubuntu is the first one ive really liked
[11:55] <buggzero> i hate kde
[11:55] <buggzero> plus all the pros i know they use debian
[11:55] <buggzero> so this was the middle ground
[11:55] <artnay> I've been quite happy with ubuntu, although dapper is showing some really unpleaseant changes
[11:55] <buggzero> im just glad to give microsoft the finger
[11:56] <buggzero> well if we control the art maybe we can bring down this tyranny
[11:57] <buggzero> what are they proposing that is so bad?
[11:57] <artnay> for me XP has worked technically quite well (although it has been limiting my use), I'm not using MS products home because of their business practices
[11:58] <buggzero> yeah it seems like its getting more and more invasion of privacy, using linux is the new fashion statment
[11:58] <artnay> umh, mainly their monopoly is what causes headaches to me
[11:59] <buggzero> yeah i mean they have the boardwalk, park place, the railroads
[11:59] <artnay> many things, like not publicizing protocols, patenting fat after a long time, not supporting open standards, doing things MS way or the highway etc etc
[12:00] <buggzero> so whats looking down about dappy
[12:00] <artnay> oh, the negative parts?
[12:00] <buggzero> yeah
[12:01] <artnay> you should try flight 3 so you would know
[12:01] <buggzero> flight 3?
[12:01] <artnay> I know it's a development version, but there's many things that won't most probably be ready before dapper
[12:01] <artnay> look at the gnome-screensaver and gnome-xchat for instance
[12:02] <artnay> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperFlight3
[12:02] <buggzero> someone told me downloading dapper now would break your shit
[12:02] <artnay> try live CD instead
[12:02] <artnay> I was using dapper on my desktop machine before it broke down
[12:03] <artnay> the machine itself, well so did dapper :)
[12:04] <buggzero> what the hell some of their new menus look ugly as hell
[12:04] <artnay> ethernet was lost and my computer kept rebooting every 30 sec or so
[12:04] <artnay> so I didn't have time to fix it
[12:04] <buggzero> gnome-xchat UGH
[12:04] <buggzero> thats a bummer
[12:05] <artnay> and the logout icon in panel
[12:05] <buggzero> well were the damn art group, dont we have a say to pimp slap some of this stuff?
[12:05] <artnay> I think that a button that is used once per session shouldn't be placed in gnome-panel that way
[12:06] <artnay> sure we do
[12:06] <artnay> those changes just happened, we really didn't know anything before it just happened
[12:06] <artnay> so it would be great if we did the artwork job and the coders could focus on, umh, code
[12:08] <artnay> oh yeah, the main priorities... background, icon set, metacity theme
[12:08] <artnay> at least those tasks should be done for dapper
[12:09] <buggzero> well thats good to hear
[12:13] <buggzero> metacity?
[12:13] <artnay> that's the one drawing window decorations, buttons there etc.
[12:14] <artnay> http://www.gnome-look.org/index.php?xsortmode=high&page=0
[12:14] <artnay> there's some metacity themes, pick a suitable one for dapper x)
[12:14] <artnay> I'd go with unity-no-red
[12:16] <buggzero> metacity is the window style?
[12:16] <artnay> yep
[12:17] <buggzero> i like the pixel looks
[12:17] <buggzero> the unity one is decent, i dont see the no red one
[12:18] <buggzero> but i hate the picture backround for terminal
[12:18] <artnay> just image the same decorations without close button being red
[12:19] <artnay> I guess it's not terminal background, terminal is just using fake transparency so it's actually desktop background that is visible
[12:20] <buggzero> i like the rectangular buttons
[12:20] <buggzero> those are sweet
[12:20] <artnay> hey manu :)
[12:20] <lmanul> artnay: hey :)
[12:20] <artnay> so we'll have a meeting on the 2nd
[12:20] <artnay> are you able to attend?
[12:20] <buggzero> feb 2nd?
[12:20] <artnay> 23 UTC
[12:21] <artnay> henrik just changed the whole layout of artwork wiki
[12:21] <lmanul> Hmm, yeah sure
[12:21] <artnay> as time is running out, we need to discuss the main priorites and form teams to do separate tasks
[12:21] <lmanul> I probably won't stay for ages (that's pretty late in my time zone), but I'll come, no problem
[12:21] <artnay> yep, it's 01 AM here then :o
[12:22] <lmanul> I'm not sure I'll get some time to contribute a lot though...
[12:22] <artnay> I suggest that we'd focus on background, icon set and metacity theme
[12:22] <artnay> everythis else is (needed) extra
[12:22] <buggzero> well i got nothing but time
[12:22] <lmanul> But I'll be glad to attend the meeting, listen, and give my opinion if needed
[12:22] <lmanul> buggzero: now that's rare :)
[12:23] <buggzero> well WHICH IS NOT TO SAY THAT IM A LOOSER
[12:23] <buggzero> im just... generally free
[12:23] <buggzero> for the time being
[12:23] <lmanul> buggzero: I'm definitely not saying that
[12:23] <artnay> buggzero: in case you didn't know, manu is responsible for the new logout dialog https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperFlight3#head-8d8b3cb6bca3949852d30fbd7acc89ed3dfc846e
[12:23] <lmanul> buggzero: I would be glad to have nothing but time ! :)
[12:24] <artnay> time and a working computer *sigh*
[12:24] <lmanul> New logout dialog, new panel "add to" dialog, new separator for the panel, etc.
[12:24] <artnay> mhz, hey mate
[12:24] <lmanul> I'm making everything anew :-p
[12:24] <artnay> lmanul: yep, but what interests us are the new icons
[12:24] <artnay> oh, comments on those
[12:25] <buggzero> wait wait the one with the icons or the one that says ABOUT gnome
[12:25] <artnay> the door scheme you're using in logout icon... don't you think green is a bit too friendly for that kind of action? :o
[12:25] <mhz> hay artnay
[12:25] <artnay> I'd suggest to stay in a red colour, just as it is at the moment
[12:26] <artnay> maybe making it more up-to-date, just an idea
[12:26] <artnay> I was thinking something like this: http://f.unk.fi/~artnay/logout.png
[12:26] <artnay> but it should use ubuntu palette
[12:27] <artnay> mhz: so wiki got renewed, what do you think of change?
[12:27] <buggzero> allright i have to get out of here for now
[12:27] <buggzero> artnay: a pleasure talking with you
[12:27] <artnay> buggzero: you too.
[12:27] <buggzero> you'll see more of me around
[12:28] <artnay> excellent. take care!
[12:28] <artnay> mhz: the wiki structure completely ignores different *buntu flavours
[12:28] <mhz> lol
[12:29] <artnay> and I'm really not into AUC being wiki-based... I think wiki isn't suitable for that kind of work
[12:29] <mhz> yup, i guess i agree with you
[12:29] <artnay> it lacks important functions and it might get complicated to navigate
[12:29] <mhz> artnay: what 'renewed' wiki?
[12:29] <artnay> ^ topic
[12:30] <artnay>  /Artwork
[12:30] <artnay> now it's missing edubuntu and xubuntu completely
[12:32] <artnay> well they can be found, but they should be provided on the first sight
[12:32] <artnay> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork lacks vital information, I think
[12:33] <artnay> I haven't replied to ML because I wanted to discuss of it here on IRC first
[12:34] <artnay> lmanul: are you now mostly coding? can community expect new icons from you? :)
[12:35] <artnay> mhz: oh yeah, we have to prepare before the meeting!
[12:35] <artnay> mhz: want to help with that one?
[12:35] <mhz> well, artnay, maybe adding "you may find artwork related to Edubuntu, Kubuntu and Xubuntu" at Offcial Artwork section could do the job
[12:36] <artnay> why is it official?
[12:36] <mhz> i dont know
[12:36] <artnay> I mean, they're using different backgrounds, icon sets etc.
[12:36] <mhz> you should ask Henrik about it
[12:36] <artnay> take edubuntu for an example
[12:36] <artnay> I guess text official refers to logos
[12:36] <artnay> but it should cover a lot more than that
[12:37] <mhz> yup
[12:37] <artnay> and somehow we should also link to ubuntu marketing as they have web banners etc.
[12:37] <mhz> absolutely right
[12:37] <artnay> so to me the wiki change seems to be a bit rushed... no offense.
[12:37] <artnay> we did some work but we never got it finished as there were no comments or people helping with that
[12:38] <mhz> then, Henrik is the person you probably need to talk to as he made the changes
[12:38] <mhz> artnay: when that happens, and you feel you need to move on, just move on and the "rest will follow"
[12:38] <artnay> 13:39 [freenode]  (*) There is no such nick hno73
[12:38] <artnay> :(
[12:39] <mhz> artnay: yo have his email?
[12:39] <mhz> need it?
[12:39] <artnay> mhz: sure
[12:39] <artnay> I have it
[12:39] <artnay> but, umh, maybe that should be discussed on ML
[12:39] <artnay> as he doesn't seem to be on IRC
[12:39] <mhz><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:39] <mhz> oh, you got it
[12:39] <artnay> it would be great if he had time to be here
[12:40] <artnay> but let's hope he'll be present in the meeting
[12:40] <mhz> ML is good but tell people "we need to get this to discussion before thursday"
[12:40] <artnay> because that's something artwork team was really lacking, input from canonical
[12:40] <mhz> if discussion never arises, then just move on and talk to Henrik
[12:40] <mhz> ;)
[12:41] <lmanul> artnay: about the logout icon color, the main idea of the dialog is to make each icon's color different from the others (logout=green, shutdown=red, suspend=orange, hibernate=blue, restart=purple)
[12:41] <artnay> lmanul: sure, but the shapes will give the idea as well
[12:41] <mhz> artnay: even at edubuntu I have same issues regarding artwork. We still have no clue what the "hired designers" will/are doing
[12:41] <artnay> mhz: there are no hired designers, I discussed with a few canonicals
[12:42] <lmanul> artnay : right, shapes + color is more powerful IMHO than shapes or colors alone
[12:42] <mhz> so, I thought I would have some guidelines regarding GTK tweaking and Wallpapers stuff, and icons, but in the end it seems that I will have to move on based on my own ideas ;0
[12:43] <artnay> lmanul: have you tested how that green door blends to gnome-panel?
[12:43] <artnay> it must be used there as well IMHO
[12:44] <artnay> lmanul: you had a chat with tango devs concerning the icons, right?
[12:44] <lmanul> artnay: yes
[12:44] <lmanul> The icons are mainly tango style
[12:44] <artnay> what about sleep and hibernate icons? I think there should be a small change between those
[12:45] <lmanul> yeah, it would be great
[12:45] <artnay> not just the colour
[12:45] <lmanul> But finding a good concept is not easy
[12:45] <lmanul> The "Zzz" idea doesn't quite work
[12:45] <artnay> I know :)
[12:45] <artnay> no it doesn't
[12:45] <lmanul> hehe :)
[12:45] <artnay> neither does a door with recycle icon etc.
[12:46] <lmanul> a door with recycle icon ?
[12:59] <artnay> lmanul: you, sort of restart icon (two arrows reflecting the door)
[01:00] <artnay> it was just an idea I had, but since you came up with those icons, I thought they were pretty decent and we could work on those
[01:00] <artnay> you... yeah I meant to say


[02:33] <tsimonq2> I was able to stage KDE Gear 22.12.2 in ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-kdeapplications. I'm going to let it hang out there for a day or two before uploading it to the Lunar archive.
[02:34] <tsimonq2> santa_: Hi, if you're reading this, if you notice anything off with my use of KA please tell me, I'm slightly rusty :)
[10:04] <santa_> tsimonq2: well, you could have waited a little bit a we could have managed that this weekend with more time
[10:05] <santa_> I'm not a fan of the "sorry, already done" approach
[10:15] <santa_> s/a we could have managed/and we could have managed/
[10:24] <santa_> well, so far: build depends not propely bumped
[10:25] <santa_> tsimonq2: please let's allocate some time this weekend to review KA usage to fix that
[10:26] <santa_> we can check the procedures toghether and review/fix the documentation
[10:27] <RikMills> santa_: fyi, while I am still here, I am going to stage the 5.27.0 tars
[10:29] <santa_> RikMills: no problem because you have fresh experience, but please let's try to make sure everything is in sync in git before you leave
[10:30] <santa_> (I'm in process of double checking that)
[10:30] <RikMills> That was the 1st thing I did after I did clone-all
[11:23] <santa_> also, _lunar_archive branches of applications are broken now (i.e. they point to this broken .2 release)
[11:24] <santa_> result of that: it's going to be unfeasible to do a test rebuild from git of what we have in the archive
[11:27] <santa_> so ... we have the applications git repos broken at the moment
[11:31] <santa_> needless to say, please don't upload anything of apps to lunar until we have time to fix this
[12:41] <tsimonq2> Build deps definitely missed, I'm guessing once things settle down in the staging PPA we can do Lintian runs etc. off of those binaries
[12:46] <RikMills> tsimonq2: pkg-kde-tools runs lintian on the build at the end of the build. output is in our build logs
[12:47] <RikMills> *on the buildd
[12:47] <RikMills> though lintian in proposed is currently uninstallable :(
[13:57] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[17:38] <ahoneybun[m]> heyo BluesKaj
[17:53] <Eickmeyer[m]> Hey all! I separated plasma-discover-notifier from plasma-discover because in Ubuntu Studio we may be shipping update-notifier and update-manager instead, so you'll need to seed plasma-discover-notifier in lunar.
[17:54] <Eickmeyer[m]> I've been discussing this with Rik for some times, so it's of no surprise, and I gave Simon the heads-up last night.