[00:00] <sd32> !skype
[00:00] <kevbuntu> draik: did this send you the message notifcation in your system tray that i see when you send me a message?
[00:01] <ardchoille> draik: dbus ?
[00:01] <draik> ardchoille: Sounds about right.
[00:01] <SkittleLinux18> kevbuntu is now SkittleLinux18
[00:01] <draik> SkittleLinux18: Huh?
[00:01] <draik> SkittleLinux18: Yes.
[00:01] <SkittleLinux18> ok good
[00:02] <draik> I have that blocked on my end, but I have 2 other laptops watching the channel that showed it
[00:02] <SkittleLinux18> i was trying to figure out how you were getting my Konversation icon to blink when you sent me a message
[00:02] <draik> That is because I said your name
[00:02] <draik> SkittleLinux18:
[00:02] <draik> SkittleLinux18: Like that
[00:02] <SkittleLinux18> ok
[00:02] <SkittleLinux18> sweet
[00:03] <draik_> WOOHOO! I got audio!
[00:04] <cn28h> Hm.  I take it it's bad when aticonfig seg faults
[00:04] <draik> cn28h: I think that's a general rule
[00:04] <cn28h> fglrxinfo does too. fun :/
[00:05] <ardchoille> draik: finally?
[00:05] <draik> ardchoille: On the last laptop, yes
[00:06] <draik> HP laptop... ZERO issues.
[00:06] <ardchoille> nice
[00:07] <draik> Desktop I built a few years ago, took half of today to solve. It was either one thing or another.
[00:07] <Far^Side> does running X with a framebuffer use any less resources?
[00:07] <deftone> anyone know how i can change the text color in my terminal?
[00:07] <draik> Dell laptop... Yeah, that's a special one. The updates started on that 2 nights ago. It failed and then I had to store everything. Finally finished the install that started this morning.
[00:07] <trv> does anyone know where is the autostart folde in kubuntu 8.10 for kde4 ?
[00:07] <arrrghhh> deftone, like in konsole?
[00:08] <deftone> yakuake or konsole...whichever one lets me do it.
[00:08] <draik> trv: Yes, it's the same
[00:08] <arrrghhh> trv, there's many.  ~/.kde4/Autostart i believe is where you put user based autostart stuff
[00:08] <arrrghhh> maybe it's just ~/.kde/Autostart
[00:08] <draik> arrrghhh: Yup, that's the one (and only, I think)
[00:09] <arrrghhh> draik, you can add stuff as a daemon
[00:09] <arrrghhh> using update-rc.d
[00:09] <Dragnslicer> !info phonon
[00:09] <trv> that's where i'm confused too.. and yet there are some info in forums that say ~/.kde4/share/Autostart, or even ~/.kde/share/Autostart
[00:09] <Tann> Hi. I am having issues with the nvidia drivers with intrepid Ibex.
[00:09] <trv> it's a mess :)
[00:09] <arrrghhh> or creating a link in /etc/init.d/
[00:09] <trv> i will go with ~/.kde/Autostart to check
[00:09] <sd32> ive added the skype repository and refreshed the program list but still cannot find the skype package???
[00:09] <arrrghhh> trv, there's an easy way to manage it in kde4
[00:10] <arrrghhh> trv, you don't have to do it manually anymore.  there's a gui for it now.
[00:10] <trv> i want to add this command to autostart: nvidia-settings -a InitialPixmapPlacement=2 -a GlyphCache=1
[00:10] <trv> seems to have nice results, the desktop seems faster
[00:11] <arrrghhh> trv, open the systemsettings applet, go to the 'advanced' tab and the first icon is "autostart".
[00:11] <draik> I think you have to create it as a script and then set it up for autostart
[00:11] <arrrghhh> you can even add stuff to pre-kde startup.
[00:12] <arrrghhh> you can just put commands just like that into it.  it's how i run kmix, knotes.
[00:14] <trv> ok guys thanx, i created it as a script and added it as pre-kde startup
[00:15] <trv> it created the symlink inside ~/.kde/Autostart
[00:15] <psyco> heya,
[00:15] <psyco> anyone know WTF happened to sharing printers in 8.10??
[00:16] <arrrghhh> psyco, w/samba or what?
[00:17] <ret> >_<
[00:17] <psyco> arrrghhh: yeah
[00:18] <Guest45470> Hi I just loaded Kubuntu 8.10 and I am trying to get my cd player to play music can anyone help me?
[00:18] <arrrghhh> do you still have samba installed and configured as you had it before?  i've never used samba to share a printer.
[00:18] <arrrghhh> Guest45470, uh... what's the problem?  pop the cd in... open kaffeine...
[00:19] <ret> apt-get install kaffeine before
[00:19] <arrrghhh> you should have kaffeine
[00:19] <ret> Hmmm...
[00:19] <arrrghhh> i thought it was "part of the kde package"
[00:19] <arrrghhh> well
[00:19] <arrrghhh> the kubuntu package i should say
[00:20] <Guest45470> I have amarok
[00:20] <ret> I have problems with painting system tray applet... Is i'm alone with this problem? =\
[00:20] <Guest45470> am I missing some plugin?
[00:20] <arrrghhh> amarok is alright.  i've found it's unstable.  and kinda a.. PITA to use.  i'm excited about songbird.
[00:21] <Guest45470> songbird never heard of it
[00:21] <arrrghhh> Guest45470, i wouldn't think you'd need a plugin for playback of cds.  but kubuntu-restricted-extras metapackage has pretty much everything you'll need as far as media codecs.  java, flash, mp3...
[00:22] <Guest45470> ok thanks
[00:23] <draik> What is the purpose to the Show Dashboard icon?
[00:23] <draik> Wait...
[00:23] <draik> What is the purpose to showing the dashboard?
[00:23] <ret> Kubuntu is really bugged =\
[00:24] <ret> How to resize area for text under icons in Desktop plasma applet?
[00:25] <fulat2k> hi folks, why does the screen goes to sleep and wake up again when i the CPU policy to "Powersave" mode?
[00:28] <ret> Why does rthe screen resolution changed to another when i relogin? I think there all peoples only with problems, but without... mmm... seems "resolutions"
[00:28] <arrrghhh> kde4 is buggy.  ret still to the lts release (which i guess kubuntu wasn't really a lts release 8.04...) but if you want to stick with kde3.5, stick to kubuntu 8.04.1
[00:29] <arrrghhh> kde4.2 is out in janurary i believe.
[00:29] <arrrghhh> 1 yr since the intial release of kde4.  it's come a long way.
[00:30] <ret> I go to reboot, updating complete =\
[00:31] <fulat2k> arrrghhh: kde 4.1 seems fine to me.  so far ;)
[00:31] <cn28h> hm.  So in Intrepid my GTK apps look like GTK again (rather than following the KDE/Qt styling).  Is this not supported yet, or I just need to tweak some config?
[00:32] <fulat2k> cn28h: did you install gtk-qt-engine-kde4?
[00:33] <cn28h> just did that.  I suppose I should restart KDE now and check if that did it :) brb
[00:33] <arrrghhh> fulat2k, i've had some issues.  configuration, shutdown, some other stuff.
[00:33] <arrrghhh> lack of configuration i should day.
[00:34] <arrrghhh> like dolphin looks nicer... but it feels like it went down significantly in functionality.
[00:34] <ret> >_<
[00:34] <arrrghhh> although the new systemsettings is nice... even tho i had to install it :S
[00:35] <ret> Looks like Vista... Bad
[00:35] <arrrghhh> it doesn't look like vista.
[00:35] <ret> =)
[00:35] <fulat2k> arrrghhh: hmm.. odd.  haven't had much probs with it.
[00:35] <cn28h> Hm, nope.  Still looks like GTK
[00:35] <arrrghhh> i can see how the 3.5 -> 4.1 change it kinda like xp -> vista.  but it is NOT vista.
[00:36] <arrrghhh> cn28h, you mean qt?
[00:36] <arrrghhh> qt4?
[00:36] <aiden> Hey all - updated to 8.1.0 today, panels and others are glitchy, anyone know the apt-get to roll back to 8.04?
[00:36] <fulat2k> arrrghhh: i'm still not getting used to vista dude.  it's in my new studio 15, but i'm gonna install kub 8.10 when i have the time.
[00:36] <cn28h> arrrghhh, I have GTK set to obey my KDE/Qt4 styles, but it doesn't seem to be doing that
[00:36] <arrrghhh> fulat2k, i hate vista.  i don't think my work is ever going to it, we still use netware.
[00:37] <arrrghhh> cn28h, yea never really has.
[00:37] <cn28h> arrrghhh, it seemd to do it on KDE3 with Hardy okay :S
[00:37] <arrrghhh> lol.  if you say so.
[00:37] <arrrghhh> i just let everything be qt, seems to work out ok.
[00:38] <arrrghhh> i kinda went with a feisty titlebar theme tho.
[00:38] <arrrghhh> i always liked having the red "x" haha.
[00:38] <fulat2k> arrrghhh: :D  no idea about netware.  vista still isn't able to sleep properly in my studio.  such simple thing...... and somehow it kinda hangs a bit here and there.
[00:38] <arrrghhh> fulat2k, it's an ugly beast.  m$ oses are just getting more bloated and slower and more ppl are like... hrm... apple... linux... lookin pretty sweet.
[00:39] <hazzy> Meh, I made a pledge long ago to never buy another M$ product
[00:39] <arrrghhh> i'm stoked for samba4 if that ever comes about
[00:39] <Knock> Hello! Is there a way to create a bootable USB-Stick of Kubuntu 8.10? The how-tos of the previous versions do not work any more.
[00:39] <arrrghhh> i've never _bought_ a m$ product.  it was kinda forced on me when i bought my laptop tho.
[00:39] <fulat2k> arrrghhh: unfortunately true. thought i could give vista try after SP1.  but nooooooooo......
[00:39] <arrrghhh> Knock, bootcd i think does.... at the the ubuntu 8.10 livecd does.
[00:39] <arrrghhh> fulat2k, no.  poo.
[00:40] <Knock> arrrghhh: How?
[00:40] <aiden> (Newbie Question Ahead)
[00:40] <arrrghhh> they didn't redesign the file system.  it's still ntfs = fragmenting POS.
[00:40] <fulat2k> Knock: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[00:40] <fulat2k> Knock: i used unetbootin myself.
[00:40] <arrrghhh> unetbootin?
[00:41] <aiden> --Can someone help me with this?  Updated to 8.1.0 today, panels and others are glitchy, anyone know the apt-get to roll back to 8.04?
[00:41] <fulat2k> arrrghhh: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[00:41] <arrrghhh> hrm.  yea i'm already there lol
[00:42] <arrrghhh> what i want to do is get my ubuntu server to pxe boot computers!
[00:48] <oslo> hi, after a fresh intrepid ibex install i'm stuck with a 800x600 screen ration @ max & no nvidia-glx 96 .....
[00:48] <oslo> is there a solution ,!?
[00:49] <oslo> it seems xorg.conf isn't used like it was in the past - - -
[00:49] <arrrghhh> oslo, have you tried the restricted drivers method?
[00:49] <Tann> Could anyone help me get my nvidia graphics card's 3d support working? (Personally I don't really like ththese new nvidia drivers)
[00:49] <arrrghhh> yea... Xorg is pretty much not using it unless it *needs* to.
[00:50] <oslo> arrrghhh> no restricted drivers appear in the restricted drivers windows .... :/
[00:50] <arrrghhh> yea my new nvidia drivers don't work.  i can't get separate X screens to work.
[00:50] <arrrghhh> oslo, and you've purged all the nvidia-blah packages?
[00:50] <arrrghhh> have you ever installed it manually?
[00:50] <arrrghhh> or the envy etc
[00:51] <oslo> arrrghhh> just installed once by apt because it wasn't showed in restricted drivers windows
[00:51] <oslo> it's still not shown
[00:52] <billyd> I don
[00:52] <arrrghhh> oslo, did you purge all those things i mentioned?  and you didn't do a manual install or use envy?
[00:52] <oslo> (& @ boot it tells failed for loading nvidia 96 )
[00:52] <nejode> arrrghhh: legacy cards are not supported anymore: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/810
[00:52] <billyd> I don't seem to be able to print odd and even pages now that I "upgraded" to 8.10.  Is this a change in CUPS or what?
[00:53] <oslo> arrrghhh> i'm removing by apt all the nvidia-* just right now
[00:54] <arrrghhh> nejode, i have an 8600gt...
[00:54] <polk_> hi, i got kubuntu, via apt from my ubuntu desktop
[00:54] <polk_> and i hate it. so i want to remove it and all its dependencies, all kde apps and everything else that it requires aor uses
[00:54] <polk_> so, can you tell me how to do this
[00:55] <Knock> fulat2k, arrrghhh: Thank you 2! Unetbootin finally works.
[00:55] <nejode> arrrghhh: well, that one should work with the 177 driver
[00:55] <Knock> CU!
[00:55] <arrrghhh> Knock, cool.
[00:55] <polk_> ...
[00:55] <deftone> is there an ultimate ubuntu irc channel ??
[00:56] <oslo> arrrghhh: it's done all nvidia*'s apt removed & still no restricted drivers shownd up
[00:56] <arrrghhh> nejode, i'm using the 177 driver.  it *works*... but not like it used to.  i can't get separate X screens, it breaks X.  it doesn't show the nvidia thing when X starts... i assume the driver is installed properly.
[00:56] <oslo> - - -
[00:56] <fulat2k> deftone: uh... #ubuntu? :D
[00:56] <nejode> arrrghhh: I'm really busted...I have an MX-4000 on one machine and an X300 on the other
[00:56] <arrrghhh> oslo, the 96 driver isn't compatible with the version of Xorg in 8.10.  go back to 8.04 or use the nv open source/non-accelerated driver.
[00:56] <arrrghhh> nejode, stick with 8.04 or use the nv driver haha.
[00:57] <oslo> arrrghhh>ok so with the nv driver how could i have a screen ratio bigger than 800x600 ???
[00:58] <arrrghhh> oslo, you should be able to get a bigger screen size.  change to the nv driver and configure xorg by hand my friend.
[00:58] <nejode> ...after almost 4 years they're slowly pushing me out of *ubuntu
[00:59] <oslo> arrrghhh> my xorg.conf with intrepid isn't like it was with hardy
[00:59] <oslo> nejode: :)
[00:59] <nejode> arrrghhh: have you tried with nvidia-settings?
[00:59] <oslo> nejode: yes, it's keeping the original one
[01:00] <arrrghhh> nejode, yes.  i like that applet... i got it working with twinview ok... main monitor isn't at max res but the HD monitor is.  separate X screen configured thru nvidia-settings breaks X.
[01:00] <oslo> arrrghhh> wich section do i change ?
[01:00] <arrrghhh> i saved my xorg.conf from 8.04, but obviously that's kinda useless.
[01:00] <nejode> oslo: that problem is all over the place, editing the xorg.conf file does nothing
[01:00] <ericsome> Hi anybody here using the new version of kubuntu ?
[01:01] <arrrghhh> i think everyone is
[01:01] <oslo> nejode> it was i think i've seen
[01:01] <ericsome> Whats it Like ?
[01:01] <oslo> ericsome> 800x600 & no 3D acceleration on my old system :)
[01:01] <billyd> It's got some problems
[01:02] <ericsome> How long will it be supported ?
[01:02] <Tetracomm> I just installed a program using make install and this is the error I get when I try to run it, help?: http://pastebin.com/d56a830e
[01:02] <arrrghhh> is there a configuration utility for kwin?
[01:02] <ardchoille> I supported it for about an hour
[01:02] <billyd> I think 18 months
[01:03] <oslo> How long will it take to be supported on my hardware ? ;)
[01:03] <ericsome> You say it has a few problems might hang on for a while to hardy heron then
[01:03] <arrrghhh> oslo, dunno.  use 8.04 for now i'd say.
[01:03] <DaSkreech> !irc > bluecopper
[01:03] <oslo> i guess i'll have to stay on LTS
[01:03] <ericsome> Ok Thanks for the tip !
[01:03] <arrrghhh> i don't think kubuntu 8.04 is an lts release... just vanilla ubuntu is.
[01:04] <billyd> Things shoooould improve when KDE 4.2 comes out in Jan(?)
[01:04] <sd32> !webcam
[01:04] <arrrghhh> billyd, i don't see why they would be worse.  4.1 was way better than 4.0.
[01:04] <nejode> I'll stay with Hardy for a while until I find a distro that'll support old hardware... mandriva maybe?
[01:05] <billyd> Firefox opens off line - even when config file syas opren online
[01:05] <billyd> You can't print odd and even pages
[01:05] <billyd> There is no decent scanner program
[01:05] <Dragnslicer> Am I the only one that thinks the icon for Konversation 1.1 is fugly?
[01:05] <billyd> Bluetooth has problems
[01:06] <ericsome> I use gimp for my scanner that ok
[01:06] <arrrghhh> nejode, i don't get why nvidia-settings works fine with twinview but separate X screen breaks...
[01:06] <billyd> I may try that
[01:07] <Search4Lancer> help needed: I just upgraded to 8.10, and now my eth0 (wireless) is missing
[01:09] <russlar> eth0 was your wireless?
[01:09] <Search4Lancer> yeah
[01:09] <russlar> what does ifconfig -a list for interfaces?
[01:10] <Search4Lancer> couldn't tell you... I'm running dual-boot under XP right now
[01:10] <nejode> arrrghhh: http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/Is_KDE_4.1_for_you%3F  ... in the graphics performance section
[01:11] <russlar> and?
[01:12] <Search4Lancer> and it'd take me about 10 minutes to get an answer for you on that :-)
[01:12] <Search4Lancer> I know, I'm not much help in helping myself right now...
[01:12] <russlar> wasn't @ you
[01:12] <russlar> but yeah
[01:13] <arrrghhh> nejode, that's not my issue...
[01:13] <billyd> Search4Lancer
[01:13] <arrrghhh> but nvidia does need to fix their drivers.  wait did i use a different driver before?
[01:13] <billyd> Check and see if you have eth1
[01:14] <Search4Lancer> billyd: I do have eth1, that was always the wired
[01:14] <russlar> s4l: do you know if you have a device called wlan0?
[01:14] <nejode> arrrghhh: the truth being said... 3D support in Intrepid sucks
[01:14] <billyd> I had LAN on motherboard that went out and I disabled it and put in a card and it was recognized as eth0
[01:15] <arrrghhh>  nejode did the 177 driver come out for the new xorg?  it seems the issues are not intrepid itself but the new xorg...
[01:15] <billyd> When I upgraded to 8.10, I had only eth1.  I ended up configuring it and using it
[01:15] <Search4Lancer> russlar: not that I'm aware of
[01:16] <Search4Lancer> iwlist scanning and iwconfig both give eth1, pan0 (which I've never had before), and another that I can't remember
[01:16] <nejode> arrrghhh: OK, but those are issues that should not come out in a new (and very publicized) release
[01:16] <billyd> Also there is said to ne e need to diddle a config file.  The Firefox file seems to be correct to open online, but that isn't what happens and Nework manager tells me eth is didabled when I'm online
[01:17] <arrrghhh> nejode, i know.  the old driver worked fine.  i don't see why nvidia released a new one unless they were forced due the the Xorg update...
[01:17] <arrrghhh> i kinda hate xorg...
[01:18] <nejode> ...I fear that Intrepid is comming to be something like Cononical's Vista
[01:18] <arrrghhh> kinda wish there was another option haha
[01:18] <arrrghhh> oh it's not anywhere near that bad.
[01:18] <Adam24> Hey everyone!  This is Adam24 again, signing in via Kubuntu 8.10 (KDE 4.1) LiveCD! :D
[01:18] <nejode> *Canonical's
[01:23] <billyd> If you have eth1 and can use it go to Konsole and enter "sudo dhclient eth1"
[01:24] <Search4Lancer> okay, then what?
[01:25] <billyd> That configure eth1
[01:27] <billyd> I still have to enter it every time I boot up though.  There is something beyond that and there ae directions I believe in Kubuntu Forums for diddling a config file somepleace
[01:30] <Adam24> I'm back
[01:32] <Adam24> how do I install web browser plugins using Konqueror?
[01:32] <patto> Hi
[01:33] <patto> any knoes were to find instruction to install kubutu on a Dell latitude?
[01:33] <grant931> how can I program þ to show up on my keyboard when I hold down alt gr + t + h?
[01:34] <grant931> I am using a U.S. QWERTY keyboard
[01:34] <billyd> If it's a laptop there are sites especially for laptops.
[01:34] <grant931> desktop
[01:34] <DaSkreech> Hi-o!
[01:34] <billyd> I doubt anyone knows a thorn if they see one grant
[01:35] <grant931> I'm trying to bring it back
[01:35] <grant931> ;)
[01:35] <DaSkreech> aiden: 8.10
[01:36] <jmichaelx> grant931: i was just getting ready to make a post on the forums about thorn
[01:37] <jmichaelx> grant931: in reply to a threas that maybe you started
[01:37] <jmichaelx> thread*
[01:37] <grant931> I have contributed a lot to that thread :)
[01:37] <grant931> but LaRosa made it
[01:37] <billyd> I think in some program there was a way to enter odd stuff, but you had to type in the numerical equivalent on your keypad
[01:37] <billyd> If you are using a word processor there is probably a way
[01:38] <jmichaelx> grant931: i plan on adding to the thread tonight yet.
[01:38] <DaSkreech> Dragnslicer: Change it?
[01:38] <sparr> knetworkmanager says that my eth67 interface is disconnected, and wont connect it.  i had to run dhclient from a console.  suggestions?
[01:39] <jmichaelx> grant931: you know how you sometimes see "ye olde 'such and such' shoppe"?
[01:39] <jmichaelx> i realize this is all extremely OT
[01:39] <jmichaelx> ^.^
[01:40] <billyd> ye - was a printing convention for The 0 the e was in the arms of the y
[01:40] <DaSkreech> Anyone any good with Wine?
[01:40] <billyd> the e was in the arms of the y
[01:40] <grant931> jmichaelx: yes
[01:41] <jmichaelx> billyd: well, in most cases "ye" was never really used.
[01:41] <jmichaelx> there was never an article called Ye
[01:41] <jmichaelx> what that is based on is people seeing thorn, and mistaking it for a Y
[01:42] <grant931> how do you confuse thorn with a Y?
[01:42] <hazzy>  The kiss that is given by the bride to the groom at the end of the wedding ceremony originates from the earliest times when the couple would actually make love for the first time under the eyes of half the village!
[01:42] <grant931> it looks the most like a P
[01:42] <jmichaelx> grant, not the way it was often written (or carved) in later times
[01:42] <grant931> hmm
[01:43] <jmichaelx> grant931: if you are ever in new england, like near plymouth rock, look at the cemeteries.... thorn is used repeatedly, but if you didn't know what it was, you would very likely mistake it for a Y
[01:44] <billyd> Gots to go.  Take care
[01:45] <grant931> hopefully the þorn will only be an american english thing. We don't want the damn Brits to steal our new alphabet ;P
[01:45] <jmichaelx> lol
[01:46] <jmichaelx> grant931: thorn was so often written in that style that looked like a Y, that sometimes Y was actually used... but ti was pronouned like a TH, not a Y. by the way, thorn is still used extensively in icelandic
[01:47] <grant931> oh yes, I know about it's icelandic uses
[01:47] <grant931> icelandic probably uses more runic characters than any other indo-european language
[01:47] <grant931> other than ancient english, of course
[01:48] <jmichaelx> grant931: it only uses 2 that i know of... and both of those were also used in english in the past
[01:48] <jmichaelx> faroese still uses thorn also... although not a whole lot gets written in faroese these days
[01:49] <grant931> true
[01:49] <grant931> thorn is very odd in that fact that it's lowercase is bigger than it's uppercase
[01:50] <cinex> hi
[01:51] <david_> I am trying to watch dvd's are their codecs available for Kubuntu 8.10?
[01:51] <julio> Hello
[01:52] <DaSkreech> !dvd
[01:52] <DaSkreech> !hi
[01:52] <dr_willis> david_,  get the medibuntu stuff :)
[01:52] <dr_willis> !medibuntu | david_
[01:52] <julio> Anyones can help me mounting a hard disk on a desktop?
[01:52] <matisse> hi
[01:52] <matisse> can anyone tell what can I do to use qtiplot without making it freeze ? I want to plot a 2d function, but it freezes without any error (maybe there's a log, but where?)
[01:52] <david_> thanks
[01:52] <dr_willis> julio,  you mount them to a mountpoint. then access them.. whats the specific issue?
[01:52] <DaSkreech> julio: Technically if you open Dolphin it should be there on the left. Click it to automount
[01:52] <julio> I'm trying to mount a SATA disc
[01:53] <DaSkreech> julio: It doesn't exist in Dolphin ?
[01:53] <julio> fdisk tells me it is on sdb1, sdb2, sdb5
[01:53] <julio> but wehn I try to mount it, i got the following message
[01:53] <DaSkreech> julio: type mount
[01:53] <DaSkreech> just mount
[01:54] <julio> sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config
[01:54] <DaSkreech> to see if it's mounted somewhere
[01:54] <julio> failed to mount  /dev/sdb5
[01:54] <dr_willis> fdisk tells you the DEVICE you need to properly mount them.. what command are you using?
[01:55] <julio> I can't see it on dolphin
[01:55] <dr_willis> Use the command line, mount them.
[01:55] <julio> sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config
[01:55] <dr_willis> dont just go clicking around
[01:55] <dr_willis> I dont see what the dpkg- stuff has to do with mounting a filesystem
[01:55] <dr_willis> sudo mount /dev/devicename /media/mountpoint
[01:55] <jmichaelx> grant931: what keys are you using right now to make thorn?
[01:55] <david_> so basically we are not allowed to watch dvds on Kubuntu?
[01:55] <sparr> i hate dolphin
[01:56] <julio> sudo ntfs-3g /dev/sdb5 /media/DHD -o force
[01:56] <dr_willis> david_,  i watch them all the time.
[01:56] <sparr> if i uninstall dolphin will kde4 use konqueror for all its file manager stuff?
[01:56] <dr_willis> david_,  from a LEGAL point of view. the Ubuntu guys can not include dvd playback.
[01:56] <dr_willis> sparr,  i just set kde4 to use Konq as its default filemanager
[01:56] <jmichaelx> DVDs are forbidden in kubuntu, you'll have to switch to another DE if you want to watch such contraband!
[01:56] <jmichaelx> oh, sorry
[01:56] <dr_willis> jmichaelx,  Huh? I just watch them in mplayer or vlc...
[01:57] <jmichaelx> dr_willis: NEVER!
[01:57] <julio> and I also try using mount it using  sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sdb1 /media/DHD
[01:57] <david_> contraband that's funny we buys dvd's to watch and we cannot watch them???
[01:57] <jmichaelx> david_: you can watch them easily
[01:58] <sparr> 2+2
[01:58] <dr_willis> I normally just rip them to avi and watch them. :)
[01:58] <julio> and the answer is that "The device /dev/sdb1 doesn't have a valid NTFS
[01:58] <jmichaelx> david_: try 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras'... and see whether or not you can watch your DVDs
[01:58] <Adam24> How do I install browser plugins using Konqueror?
[01:58] <dr_willis> julio,  you may be using the wrong device.. what does 'sudo fdisk -l' say about sdb1 ?
[01:59] <sparr> dr_willis: how?
[01:59] <jmichaelx> david_: you will have to enable a few additional repositories, however
[01:59] <matisse> Adam24: try firefox
[01:59] <ardchoille> I and my friend have our machines behind a router. Mine (Kubuntu) is <IP_ADDRESS> and hers (Windows XP) is <IP_ADDRESS>. is it possible to mount her machine on a mountpoint on my box? Can mount do that?
[01:59] <julio> it says : /dev/sdb1   *    1   3824    30716248+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[02:00] <david_> It says I already have them but Kaffiene does not allow me to watch movies
[02:00] <dr_willis> sparr,  how to what part?
[02:00] <sparr> dr_willis: how did you tell kde4 to use konq?
[02:01] <dr_willis> julio,  that does look likt its ntfs.. could be the filesystem is currupted.. have you booted to windows lately and checked that filesystem
[02:01] <jmichaelx> david_: kaffeine is nice , when it works. i have entirely quit using it, because it is so often broken. i recommend using smplayer, instead
[02:01] <dr_willis> !dolphin | sparr
[02:01] <dr_willis> sparr,  same way we did in kde3 :)
[02:01] <david_> I'll look into it ;-)
[02:01] <sparr> i just uninstalled dolphin last time
[02:01] <jmichaelx> david_: do you have the medibuntu repo enabled?
[02:02] <julio> that disc was used on windows, then something happened and just stop working the OS (as always) and now I just can't mount it
[02:02] <david_> don't know have to check
[02:02] <julio> and when I try to do an scandisk (on windows) it stops at 75%
[02:03] <jmichaelx> david_: go to http://www.medibuntu.org/ and you will find instructions on how to add the repository to your sources.list, how to add the medibuntu key, and so on
[02:03] <dr_willis> julio,  that sounds very bad.... I would be backing up anythin gyou can from that disk.
[02:05] <julio> Yes, I just want the info, and then erase averything on the disc, but I can't take the info if I don't mount the disc
[02:05] <julio> mmm, do you know any other way?
[02:06] <dr_willis> there are 'ntfs fixing' scanning tools avail under linux that may  be able to fix the disk so you can mount it.. could also lose the data...
[02:06] <dr_willis> to be safest, you could 'dd' the whole drive to a file, then try recovery from that copied  filesystem
[02:06] <dr_willis> if you got the drive space
[02:06] <julio> what is the drive space?
[02:07] <julio> that one in GB?
[02:08] <dr_willis> You would basicially be copying the whold drive to a single file,  so whatever the size of the hd is.
[02:09] <david_> Thanks guys I have dragon player working now I can watch "Sicko"
[02:11]  * dr_willis watches Petticoat Junction
[02:11] <jmichaelx> david_: i still highly recommend smplayer ^.^  -you should give it a try
[02:12] <dr_willis> I liked smplayer in some ways.. but i seem to use the normal mplayer/gmplayer mainly
[02:12] <david_> I will thanks
[02:12] <crxyem> so anyone have any ideas why when I boot 8.10 my wireless does not cennect on default, every time I boot I have to click on the network manager icon and click on the connection to make
[02:12] <Korlis> I hate intrpid ibex
[02:12] <Korlis> hey man
[02:12] <crxyem> Korlis, I thought I did at first, but it grew on me fast, I like it alot
[02:12] <jmichaelx> dr_willis: i switch back and forth. smplayer seems to play more nicely with compiz on this desktop tha stright up mplayer.
[02:13] <jmichaelx> than*
[02:13] <stdin> did you click the "Autoconnect" bix?
[02:13] <david_> Intrepid is great
[02:13] <stdin> *box
[02:13] <Korlis> i upgraded hardy heron to it and then it broke all my packages, dpkg couldn't fix it
[02:13] <crxyem> autoconnect ??? hmm, I must find this box
[02:13] <dr_willis> I did have some issues with smplayer under..... vists! doh! :)
[02:13] <crxyem> Korlis I did a similar update, worked seemlessly
[02:13] <jmichaelx> vist-what??
[02:14] <jmichaelx> :-P
[02:14] <dr_willis> IF vista came with a decent media player.. it would bve a much better OS. :P
[02:14] <Korlis> i ended up having to re install
[02:14] <stdin> crxyem: right click knetworkmanager -> Edit Connections -> Edit -> Next -> Next -> Next
[02:14] <crxyem> stdin, thanks.
[02:15] <crxyem> must of overlook that like 100 times
[02:15] <jmichaelx> i would start slamming proprietary OS's, but i have more propietary software installed on this machine than i would like to admit
[02:15] <Korlis> lol
[02:15] <crxyem> IF vista didn't require 2GB of ram to run properly, well you get the idea...
[02:16] <cinex> my laptop can only take 2GB
[02:16] <draik> Is anyone here still using 8.04?
[02:16] <jmichaelx> i had to insrall realplayer the other night, in order to watch a video used in a mathematics class i am taking
[02:16] <condon> isn't really ubuntu related, but could use some help...
[02:16] <crxyem> I might install 8.04 on another system of mine that's at 6.06
[02:16] <jmichaelx> draik: i am using one machine with hardy and one with intrepid at the same time right now
[02:16] <condon> searching for backgrounds in Google images (in firefox)
[02:17] <jmichaelx> (synergy is the bomb)
[02:17] <condon> right clicked a link to open in new tab, have a crappy mouse, it ended up clicking on something else, and now I no longer have the images displaying in google and there's nothing to click to follow to the image...
[02:17] <condon> this ever happen to anyone else?
[02:18] <draik> jmichaelx: If you don't mind, can you go to your /usr/share/sounds and get me the "YO".ogg file? I can't recall the exact file name, but it has "yo" within the file name.
[02:18] <smj> Hi folks.  I just upgraded to Intrepid Ibex.  KDE4 doesn't seem to have a way of adding application shortcuts to the panel.  Am I missing something?
[02:18] <jmichaelx> draik: i'll look right now
[02:18] <condon> smj, right click, add widgets
[02:18] <draik> jmichaelx: Thank you
[02:19] <condon> search for the launcher, just drop the code in to launch and you should be set
[02:19] <david_> thanks guys take care!
[02:19] <crxyem> ah, another question re: 8.10, the new adept is there any way to filter the package list?? like you could before so it would only display installed packages, or not installed packages etc...
[02:19] <K_R_o_m> hi
[02:20] <condon> crxyem
[02:20] <jmichaelx> draik: i found KDE_Vox_Yo.ogg and KDE_Beep_Yo.wav
[02:20] <condon> yes, when you first open it, on the right up top there's a search box
[02:20] <condon> just to the left you should see a drop-down menu that says "Show: " and defaults to Canonical-maintained applications"
[02:20] <condon> click that, there's a list of sort criteria (installed, not installed, third-party, etc.)
[02:21] <K_R_o_m> heh
[02:21] <K_R_o_m> i use synaptic
[02:21] <smj> condon: Picking "Application Launcher" gives me another K menu.
[02:22] <stdin> smj: from the kmenu right-click the item -> add to panel
[02:22] <condon> sorry, it's not called "Application Launcher"...it's further down the list (I'm in gnome right now so can't picture it..gonna be here a sec?  I'll log in over there and find it)
[02:22] <smj> stdin: Thanks, that did it.
[02:22] <jmichaelx> draik: do you need me to send it to you somehow?
[02:22] <jmichaelx> brb
[02:23] <condon> Thanks stdin, certainly simpler :)
[02:23] <smj> I knew there had to be a way.  Thanks condon, stdin.
[02:23] <draik> jmichaelx: DCC if possible
[02:23] <K_R_o_m> another question
[02:24] <K_R_o_m> after upgrade to 8.10 kontact (korganizer) crached
[02:24] <cinex> how can i unmute the sound without using kmix or aumix ?
[02:24] <crxyem> condon, I have a search box, and icons to the far left, Sources, Browse ,etc..... , next column, an icon list of accessibility etc.... but no show option
 dop, alsamixer
[02:25] <jmichaelx> draik: DCC?
[02:26] <condon> on the left, near the bottom (sorry, I was in wrong ap) there's a spot that says custom filters
[02:26] <stdin> crxyem: under the search box there are small icons with the labels: State and Requested
[02:26] <condon> in ther there's a selection "Community Maintained (installed)
[02:27] <jmichaelx> draik: by the way, i believe you are the guy that sent me a nice box of PC100 ram a few years ago....
[02:27] <condon> can also sort by Marked Changes, Missing Recommends, and af ew others
[02:27] <draik> jmichaelx: Yes, that's me
[02:27] <K_R_o_m> korganizer chached witch message "Error message was:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)" " but other application works normally
[02:27] <jmichaelx> draik: i can send you that file a number of different ways, although i am not familiar with DCC
[02:28] <draik> Email will work, too.
[02:28] <jmichaelx> ok, you can private your address to me, and it'll be on its way
[02:28] <russlar> draiK; you ever get your issue from earlier today sorted out?
[02:29] <draik> russlar: Yes. Thanks to oxdeadcode (sp), we got it resolved.
[02:29] <condon> That help any crxyem?
[02:29] <draik> jmichaelx: I've been meaning to ask you, how did the RAM work out for you?
[02:29] <russlar> draik: nice. what was it?
[02:30] <condon> also under Status in the same list, there's Installed, Installed (auto removable), Not installed, couple others
[02:30] <crxyem> nope, I'm sure i'll eventually figure it out. don't seem to see a small icon with labels State and Requested etc...
[02:30] <condon> "Status" is two buttons above Custom Filters..
[02:30] <condon> hold on, I'll upload a screen shot for you
[02:31] <jmichaelx> draik: the file is on its way.
[02:31] <draik> Thank you, jmichaelx
[02:31] <crxyem> that would be great condon
[02:31] <jmichaelx> draik: the RAM was great. i have a few machines using some of it personally, and have used some of it in linux machines that i have set up fpr 2 other people
[02:32] <jmichaelx> i appreciated tha very much
[02:32] <david_> I installed smplayer but it does not seem to recognize my dvd player
[02:33] <stdin> crxyem: are you in Adept Installer "Add / Remove Software" or Adept Manager "Package Manager" ?
[02:33] <draik> jmichaelx: I'm glad they went to an actual use. They would have been collecting dust on my desk. I may have eventually made a necklace out of them, but computers need RAM more than I need a geeky necklace. I'm glad they worked for you.
[02:33] <crxyem> ah, it's defenitley the Add/ Remove Software, which would explain why I can't see the options
[02:33] <jmichaelx> david_: hmmm.... well, it is up to your machine to recognize your DVD ROM, not so much up to your video player
[02:34] <crxyem> all better now
[02:34] <crxyem> thanks
[02:34] <stdin> :)
[02:34] <david_> dragon player found it but others seem to have trouble
[02:35] <jmichaelx> david_: you should also install VLC, if you haven't already. i sometimes switch media players around for certain files, until i find one that works
[02:35] <crxyem> well, that seems to solve all of my learning curve issues with 8.10
[02:35] <david_> vlc will be where in synaptic?
[02:36] <russlar> david_: use sudo apt-get install vlc from the terminal
[02:37] <jmichaelx> david_: yes, or enter 'sudo apt-get install vlc' in a terminal
[02:37] <condon> http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g180/mmould03/status.jpg
[02:37] <condon> there's the screenshot for the search criteria
[02:37] <david_> ok am doing
[02:37] <corigo> How can I see a list of drivers being used by the system?
[02:38] <Eldemon> how can arrange items manually in dolphin?
[02:38] <jmichaelx> condon: what is that hideous desktop environment you are using in that screenshot?
[02:38] <crxyem> ll
[02:38] <crxyem> lol
[02:38] <crxyem> condor thanks, I sorted everything out
[02:39] <mo> hello
[02:39] <russlar> condon: gnome?
[02:39] <jmichaelx> sorry for the flamebait..... can't help myself at times
[02:39] <matisse> can anyone tell what can I do to use qtiplot without making it freeze ? I want to plot a 2d function, but it freezes without any error (maybe there's a log, but where?)
[02:40] <russlar> matisse: is there's a log, chances are it's in -/var/log
[02:40] <crxyem> beat me to it
[02:40] <condon> gnome
[02:40] <russlar> condon: gnome?
[02:41] <condon> yep
[02:41] <russlar> condon: gnome?
[02:41] <condon> yes
[02:41] <russlar> condon: have you tried #ubuntu?
[02:41] <draik> jmichaelx: I got it. It took me this long to access my account. Forgot my password and all.
[02:42] <jmichaelx> draik: lol, i have accounts like that, too
[02:43] <crxyem> so when do you guys/gals think well see openoffice 3.0 in the repositories
[02:43] <condon> I've got KDE, just been playing in gnome tonight.
[02:43] <draik> jmichaelx: PERFECT! I now have the sound for my konversation notifications
[02:43] <Korlis> i just installed mint, and i really like the way they did gnome
[02:43] <draik> I thought it would still be there after the upgrade. Guess not.
[02:44] <russlar> crxyem: in 9.04
[02:44] <jmichaelx> draik: i take it that is a sound that has disappeared in intrepid?
[02:44] <draik> Yup
[02:44] <crxyem> damn,
[02:44] <jmichaelx> my prediction is that OO.o will make into the repos some time during intrepid's lifespan
[02:45] <jmichaelx> crxyem: there are docs around that explain how you can install it right now. it would not be that difficult.
[02:45] <crxyem> well I don;t think I'll wait for it to hit the repo's, I'm assuming a compile and install ??
[02:45] <draik> Alright
[02:45] <draik> I'm all set now
[02:46] <russlar> crxyem: nope, it's available in .deb
[02:46] <crxyem> sweet.
[02:46] <russlar> if you've got 64-bit, look around in the forums
[02:46] <crxyem> 32bit
[02:46] <russlar> never mind them
[02:46] <russlar> have fun
[02:47] <crxyem> it would be sweet if OO.o set up a bleeding edge repo
[02:47] <Eldemon> h?ow can arrange items manually in dolphin?
[02:47] <russlar> no, it woldn't. I don't want bloody seagulls lying around everywhere!
[02:48] <bill> Hello all
[02:49] <draik> Hello Bill
[02:49] <jmichaelx> !hi | bill
[02:49] <bill> Does anyone know how to configure a video card in kde 4.1?
[02:49] <russlar> what sort of video card/
[02:50] <matisse> how do I jump to the next search result in manpages ?
[02:50] <bill> It's a voodo 3 card..I need to confirure it to 1024..It won't go above 800/600
[02:51] <russlar> hmmmm..... that's an older nvidia card, right?
[02:51] <bill> 3dfx card. It's out of a old gateway.
[02:51] <russlar> dunno
[02:52] <bill> I had it working befroe I upgraded to 10-8
[02:53] <bill> I love Linux..Always a challange.
[02:53] <russlar> yeah... I know support for the GeForce GO and TNT cards went away....
[02:53] <russlar> dunno about the Voodoo 3
[02:54] <bill> how do you pick the card? Is that gone as well?
[02:54] <jmichaelx> russlar: support for the cards is just gone temporarily, isn't it?
[02:54] <draik> Why would I want to see my dashboard? What is its purpose to it?
[02:55] <jmichaelx> draik: it's kinda the newfangled way to see your desktop
[02:55] <jmichaelx> sort of
[02:55] <draik> Ah
[02:55] <draik> Being doing it back and forth and not seeing much of a reason/purpose
[02:56] <russlar> jmichael: don't know
[02:56] <russlar> read that 3d support isn't compatible with the new x.org
[02:56] <jmichaelx> russlar: wow, that is disappointing
[02:57] <russlar> trying to find a link now
[02:57] <russlar> does anybody else here think kubuntu's website is terrible?
[02:58] <jmichaelx> what's wrong with it?
[02:58] <xp-killer> direct me to compiz plz
[02:58] <russlar> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3098638.0
[02:59] <russlar> no
[03:04] <Eldemon> how can arrange items manually in dolphin?
[03:04] <russlar> define "manually"
[03:05] <Eldemon> my hand
[03:05] <Eldemon> and my mouse
[03:05] <russlar> so, you just want to move stuff arond randomly?
[03:06] <Eldemon> yes
[03:06] <Eldemon> ^^
[03:06] <russlar> :<
[03:07] <draik> russlar: LOL
[03:07] <Eldemon> i cant move manually in dolphin or konqueror
[03:08] <russlar> yeah, looks like sorting is turned of
[03:09] <condon> Anyone figure out different backgrounds for each side of the cube in KDE 4.1?
[03:09] <Eldemon> how?
[03:09] <condon> got it working in gnome just fine, but it doesn't take in KDE
[03:10] <russlar> apparently you don't
[03:11] <Guest80397> hello, my laptop crashes after I suspend to ram
[03:11] <Guest80397> tis this a known issue with kubuntu?
[03:11] <Guest80397> I've tried several fixes
[03:12] <Guest80397> it's a pavilion dv2000 series
[03:12] <Guest80397> dv2945se to be persice
[03:13] <Guest80397> precise*
[03:13] <Guest80397> anyone there?
[03:13] <condon> apparently yes, I mean, i got it working in Gnome, just not KDE
[03:13] <Guest80397> suspending from gnome works?
[03:14] <russlar> no, condon was referring to a compiz issue he's having
[03:15] <condon> ah, lol, sorry :)
[03:15] <russlar> ho old is your laptop?
[03:15] <Guest80397> got it this summer
[03:15] <Guest80397> hp pavilion dv2945se
[03:15] <russlar> what kind of processor?
[03:15] <xp-killer> how do i get in compiz chat?
[03:15] <Guest80397> turion x2
[03:15] <russlar> heheh.... good luck
[03:15] <Guest80397> why?
[03:16] <russlar> any chance you know the chipset?
[03:16] <xp-killer> #compiz
[03:16] <patto> Hi
[03:16] <Guest80397> no
[03:16] <Guest80397> anyway i can find out?
[03:16] <russlar> amd doesn't support linux very well
[03:17] <Guest80397> can i identify my chipset from within linux?
[03:17] <russlar> i'm not surprised suspend to ram doesn't work
[03:17] <patto> i hvae install kub 8.1 my monitor dont stop to turn of and on anybody knows how to fix it?
[03:17] <russlar> you're monitor doesn't turn off?
[03:18] <patto> no it turn on and turn off autom
[03:18] <russlar> so ti turns on and off randomly?
[03:18] <patto> yes
[03:18] <russlar> what sort of computer do you have/
[03:19] <patto> desktop it seems a problem with the graph card
[03:19] <russlar> what kind of card/
[03:19] <patto> with kde 4 on kub 8.04 it dosnt happens
[03:20] <russlar> yes.  X11 changed between 8.04 and 8.10
[03:22] <jmichaelx> patto: i would recommend turning to ubuntu forums on this one to see if there is anyone out there who knows of a way to get the functionality you want... i am sure you're not the only one experiencing this
[03:23] <jmichaelx> patto: just a note, i would recommend never buying another laptop with SIS graphics
[03:23] <patto> yes im sure im ot the unbique
[03:24] <jmichaelx> patto: especially if you are planning to stay with linux
[03:24] <Adam24> anyone know where one can get a version of flash compatible with Kubuntu 8.10?
[03:24] <patto> ok maybe i have to install a new grahp card is on my desktop
[03:24] <patto> with my dell latitude i couldnt install kub
[03:24] <jmichaelx> patto: is the SIS card in your laptop or desktop?
[03:24] <russlar> @adam: adobe.com
[03:25] <patto> on my desk is the one come with the MB
[03:25] <russlar> @adam: sudo install flash
[03:26] <jmichaelx> ok, if you have SIS onyouir desktop motherboard, i would DEFINITELY recommend investing in another graphics card
[03:26] <jmichaelx> sudo install flash? i don't think so\
[03:26] <patto> yeap tks i have a hed ache with this randomly turno offs
[03:26] <russlar> there should be an apt-get in there
[03:26] <patto> any way tks
[03:26] <draik> How do I create a channel with my own password to make it private?
[03:27] <jmichaelx> Adam24: try 'sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree'
[03:27] <draik> !medibuntu | Adam24
[03:27] <jmichaelx> Adam24: i am not sure whether that will get you the newest flash player or not
[03:27] <draik> jmichaelx: That might help first.
[03:28] <jmichaelx> draik: yeah, i should have started there.....
[03:28] <jmichaelx> Adam24: you can also download the .deb from the adobe site... that will be sure to get you the newest flash plugin
[03:28] <draik> jmichaelx: ;) Just thought I'd help avoid "not found" issues
[03:29] <jmichaelx> definitely!
[03:30] <jmichaelx> SIS is a company that should have never come into existance...
[03:30] <jmichaelx> what horrible graphics cards
[03:30] <russlar> there are many companies that should never have come into existance
[03:32] <draik> Enron?!
[03:33] <russlar> red hat
[03:33] <jmichaelx> i am not a gamer, so that being said, when i buy a laptop i try to stay with intel graphics adapters. they are not great, but you seldom have compatibiilty issues with linux
[03:33] <jmichaelx> no, we need red hat
[03:33] <russlar> why?
[03:33] <russlar> in the same way we need MS?
[03:34] <jmichaelx> red hat has contributed/does contribute a LOT to the FOSS world
[03:34] <draik> We need Multiple Sclorosis?
[03:34] <jmichaelx> red hat is definitely not in the same realm as MS
[03:34] <draik> (Ironic, isn't it?)
[03:34] <russlar> without MS, there wouldn't be any motivation towards making ubuntu a better desktop os?
[03:35] <draik> And without AIDS there'd be no reason for Trojan-brand condoms.
[03:35] <jmichaelx> russlar: your k/ubuntu desktop would likely not be as nearly nice as it is without red hat's contributions
[03:35] <russlar> fair enough
[03:35] <draik> Motivation through innovation
[03:36] <jmichaelx> draik: well, there are a few other STDs worth watching out for, lol
[03:36] <russlar> like children
[03:36] <draik> jmichaelx: Yeah, like the one where stuff rots off instantly!
[03:36] <draik> LOL @ russlar
[03:36] <jmichaelx> draik: yeah, i have heard about that one... thank you, trojan~
[03:36] <jmichaelx> !
[03:38] <russlar> so... anybody got a question about kubuntu?
[03:38] <jmichaelx> probably the greatest contributor to FOSS these days is Sun... then there is red hat, IBM... and as much as i hate to say it, Novell
[03:39] <russlar> yeah, suse's been a boost
[03:40] <russlar> I'm still waiting for ZFS to get fully ported to linux, though
[03:40] <jmichaelx> and novell contributes a lot more than just what you see in suse
[03:40] <russlar> open solaris was good, but openZFS would be better
[03:40] <jmichaelx> yeah, although i think we'll start seeing ext4 becoming widely available within the next year or so
[03:41] <jmichaelx> i am wanintg to install opernsolaris on this machine in vbox
[03:41] <russlar> yeah....can't wait
[03:41] <russlar> just slammed my head into ext3's limitations
[03:42] <jmichaelx> which limitations got ya?
[03:42] <draik> Sweet! Unreal Tournament 2004 works in Ibex
[03:42] <russlar> !!!
[03:42] <jmichaelx> draik: using wine?
[03:42] <draik> jmichaelx: Nope. Resident install.
[03:42] <russlar> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:42] <jmichaelx> wow
[03:43] <draik> Unreal Tournament has a Linux install. Not supported by Atari, but it's there.
[03:43] <russlar> there goes my productivity
[03:43] <jmichaelx> lol
[03:43] <draik> Seriously
[03:43] <draik> The online play is awesome
[03:43] <Roey> is btrfs a facelift of reiserfs??
[03:43] <Roey> russlar:  is btrfs just a prettied-up reiserfs?
[03:43] <jmichaelx> thankfully, i am not a real gamer.... sad thing is that frozen bubble, njam and chess waste enough of my time the way it is LOL
[03:44] <russlar> don't know
[03:44] <Roey> ok
[03:44] <russlar> I hear it's got a heart of gold, though
[03:44] <Roey> njam from here, jmichaelx?
[03:44] <Roey> oh, not njan, ok
[03:44] <jmichaelx> i am way too remedial for the commercial games
[03:44] <russlar> i found the old BattleChess game on an abandonware site
[03:44] <luite_> is it possible to use the windows key to open the app launcher (kde4.1, intrepid)?
[03:45] <jmichaelx> Roey: njam is a primitive OS pacman knockoff
[03:45] <Roey> ah
[03:45] <legodude> how do I set up a sd card to automatically mount?
[03:45] <russlar> forgot how rewarding it was to see your pieces actually kill eachother
[03:45] <jmichaelx> sudo apt-get install njam
[03:46] <jmichaelx> njam is actually quite horrible in many ways... badly written, etc.... but i am addicted
[03:47] <DaSkreech> russlar: Learn your history
[03:47] <draik> I thought the whole Yahoo issue would have been resolved with Ibex; "Error 1 - Nslookup has failed"
[03:48] <jmichaelx> what is the yahoo issue?
[03:49] <a_> www.163.com
[03:49] <draik> jmichaelx: "Error 1 - Nslookup has failed"
[03:51] <draik> jmichaelx: It will disconnect at random, then you'll either have lady luck next to you caressing a leprechaun and automatically reconnect or not reconnect at all and you'll get the error message I provided.
[03:51] <jmichaelx> i guess i have never experienced that
[03:51] <jmichaelx> and i have NEVER seen lady luck hanging around here at all
[03:52] <Roey> dammit jmichaelx you've gotten me started on this njam
[03:53] <jmichaelx> Roey: oh no, i knew i shouldn't have brought it up. i hope you're not married....   if you are, don't tell your wifr who told you about njam
[03:53] <Roey> hahha
[03:53] <Roey> now I can't stop
[03:53] <draik> Did they get rid of Basket?
[03:53] <Roey> but
[03:53] <jmichaelx> there are already enough people who hate me
[03:53] <Roey> alright
[03:53] <draik> !info basket
[03:54] <Roey> good night jmes ;)
[03:54] <Roey> james
[03:54] <jmichaelx> adios Roey
[03:54] <Roey> jmichaelx:  by any chance...did you make njam??
[03:54] <jmichaelx> jmichaelx: no, some russian guy did. there is even an njam2, but it is not open source
[03:54] <draik> WOOHOO! I have my basket
[03:54] <Roey> haha ok
[03:54] <Roey> draik:  ...
[03:54] <benjamin> is there a place to go to get more widgets beyond what 8.10 ships with?
[03:55] <russlar> @ben: kde-look.org
[03:55] <draik> I have created many notes. One of which was how to do many things in Kubuntu Hearty Heroin.
[03:55] <jmichaelx> benjamin: there are a few more widgets you can install from the repos
[03:56] <jmichaelx> i am using the weather widget.... although i like liquid weather better
[03:56] <draik> jmichaelx: What is the difference with the script and binary?
[03:57] <jmichaelx> draik: script and binary for what? sorry, i am trying to pay attention to several different things
[03:58] <draik> jmichaelx: Sorry. In regards to the widgets. I was checking them out at kde-look.org and saw both sections.
[03:58] <benjamin> i just upgraded from 8.04 to 8.10, and i can't seem to find adept manager anymore, was it replaced with something else?
[03:58] <draik> benjamin: It's still there
[03:58] <jmichaelx> draik: interesting. i have not looked at plasma widgets at kde look yet
[03:58] <benjamin> nvm, it's package manager now
[03:59] <jmichaelx> Roey: you can even run njam in a smaller window if you start it from the command line using the -w flag
[03:59] <Roey> jmichaelx:  ok
[03:59] <Roey> thanks
[04:00] <jmichaelx> that way, you can umm, play njam and chat in irc at the same time...
[04:00] <Roey> hahahaha
[04:00] <Roey> I'm going to bed I think
[04:00] <draik> jmichaelx: Way to help with the start of an addiction!
[04:00] <russlar> quitter
[04:00] <Roey> but thanks for showing it to me :)
[04:00] <Roey> russlar:  /nevar/!!!!
[04:00] <Roey> good night guys :)
[04:00] <jmichaelx> i cause problems everywhere i go...
[04:00] <russlar> cheers
[04:00] <jmichaelx> night
[04:00] <draik> G'night
[04:01] <russlar> @jmich: chaos, panic and disorder. my work here is done.
[04:01] <jmichaelx> lol russ
[04:01] <jmichaelx> you're quitting, too?
[04:01] <draik> russlar: Said as you walk away from the ms hq
[04:02] <russlar> hehehe
[04:03] <russlar> not walk, run
[04:03] <russlar> dodging chairs
[04:03] <draik> LOL
[04:03] <legodude> how can I have dolphin always show the full path?
[04:03] <benjamin> anyone know when openoffice 3 will be released into the repos?
[04:04] <russlar> @ben: never
[04:04] <russlar> get the .debs from openoffice.org
[04:04] <benjamin> russlar: really?
[04:04] <benjamin> why never?
[04:04] <russlar> really
[04:04] <russlar> wasn't done in time
[04:04] <russlar> it'll be in 9.04
[04:04] <benjamin> sad
[04:05] <russlar> would you rather it have been included as a beta?
[04:05] <jmichaelx> i would be shocked if ooo3 were not added to intrepid by the end of the year
[04:05] <legodude> and, in dolphin, is it possible to set a default view for all photos, and keep that unless it is specifically changed per folder?
[04:05] <benjamin> that's more what i'm hoping for
[04:05] <draik> russlar: Why not? Then you'd have people complaining about having a beta and that they should have kept it out and left it for when it was ready (9.04)
[04:06] <jmichaelx> draik: amen
[04:06] <benjamin> i'm fine with it not being in the release, but after it's been out, can't we have it rolled out to us?
[04:06] <russlar> after it's been tested and vetted
[04:06] <benjamin> well sure
[04:06] <russlar> the devs are celebrating having gotten ibex out on time
[04:07] <jmichaelx> benjamin: people who need a stable desktop for a work environment generally have a high appreciation for conservatism when it comes to adding new, untested software
[04:07] <benjamin> it looks like they did a good job though, they should be proud
[04:07] <jmichaelx> although... it makes me wonder about the choice to go with kde4
[04:07] <russlar> 4.1 is much more stable than 4.0
[04:08] <benjamin> the plasmoid stuff is cool, but it's a bit slower on this machine than kde3 was
[04:08] <benjamin> i'm considering switching over to xfce...
[04:08] <jmichaelx> russlar: true, but it is still far from what i would call stable
[04:08] <russlar> well, yeah
[04:08] <jmichaelx> xfce is very nice. i always have kde and xfce installed
[04:09] <russlar> I've never used xfce
[04:09] <brewmaster> is there no way to move widgets on the panel in kde4?
[04:09] <russlar> @beerman: yes, there is
[04:09] <brewmaster> russlar: how?
[04:09] <russlar> click on the cashew, then click "unlok widgets"
[04:10] <brewmaster> russlar: they're not locked
[04:10] <brewmaster> i can move them around on my desktop
[04:11] <brewmaster> but not on the panel at the bottom
[04:11] <russlar> ok....
[04:11] <russlar> click the cashew on the panel
[04:11] <brewmaster> (i just added the traditional k-manu, and it's stuck on the far right)
[04:11] <jmichaelx> brewmaster: click 'panel settings'. it will let you move your icons
[04:12] <brewmaster> jmichaelx: panel setting just lets me change the size and location of the entire panel
[04:13] <russlar> click on the cashew on the far right on the panel
[04:13] <russlar> some stuff should appear above the panel
[04:13] <russlar> ignore it
[04:13] <draik> LOL
[04:13] <russlar> your cursor will turn into an arrow when you hover ofer the panel
[04:13] <draik> "Yeah, there's some stuff that will come up. Yeah, it looks interesting and tempting to touch, but ignore it"
[04:14] <SkittleLinux18> benjamin: xfce is a very plain and simple DM. i wouldn't expect to do much with it. however, if you want performance over eye candy, it is an excellent choice
[04:14] <brewmaster> i have no cashew on the far right of the panel
[04:14] <jmichaelx> i had never realized that was supposed to be a cashew..... i thought it was like some distorted knockoff og the gnome symbol
[04:14] <russlar> then your widgets are locked. unlock them
[04:14] <draik> jmichaelx: Me, too.
[04:14] <DaSkreech> draik: #basket-devel
[04:14] <draik> DaSkreech: Huh?
[04:14] <russlar> cashew, powderhorn, water droplet
[04:15] <jmichaelx> lol
[04:15] <jmichaelx> clubfoot...
[04:15] <russlar> cat's nostril
[04:15] <jmichaelx> lol
[04:15] <jmichaelx> leaky wineskin
[04:15] <draik> Whoa!
[04:15] <DaSkreech> legodude: KDE 4.2
[04:15] <DaSkreech> benjamin: OO.o 3 in 6 months :)
[04:16] <benjamin> awesome!
[04:16] <draik> As for a clubfoot, it's deformed with the toes not even touching the foot.
[04:16] <russlar> yoda's foot?
[04:16] <draik> LOL
[04:16] <benjamin> wait
[04:16] <russlar> ben: 9.04 is in 6 month
[04:16] <benjamin> that's the next release :P
[04:16] <draik> LOL
[04:16] <benjamin> le sigh
[04:16] <jmichaelx> well, i assumed it was just a footprint of a clubfoot... you wouldn't be able to see all of it
[04:16] <draik> I was waiting for that!
[04:16] <draik> Points to DaSkreech
[04:18] <Guest43932> Hey everyone, I'm having a problem with an external hard drive.  Apparently it was not disconnected properly and I can't seem to force it to mount.  I followed the instructions for the /etc/fstab (or I thought I did), but that's not working either.  Can anyone help me?  I don't have access to a windows machine so I need a Kubuntu solution
[04:19] <draik> How do I create a private channel?
[04:19] <DaSkreech> draik: type join #mychan
[04:19] <Tetracomm> I just installed a program using make install and this is the error I get when I try to run it, help?: http://pastebin.com/d56a830e
[04:19] <draik> I mean to setup a password and all
[04:20] <russlar> geust: if it's in th efstab, do sudo mount -a
[04:20] <DaSkreech> draik: #freenode
[04:20] <draik> DaSkreech: Any way of setting up a password on a channel of my choice?
[04:21] <DaSkreech> ^^^
[04:21] <DaSkreech> Talk to the guys who run the server
[04:21] <Guest43932> russlar: I am looking in the /etc folder and I don't see anything called fstab, am I looking in the wrong place?
[04:21] <draik> Thank you DaSkreech
[04:22] <russlar> @guest: are you in dolphin?
[04:22] <Guest43932> russlar: That and the command line
[04:23] <Guest43932> russlar: Found it
[04:23] <chrisruls00> I need help adding a printer. I have an HP photosmart that uses Wi-Fi to connect directly to the router. How would I install this printer in Kubuntu 8.10?
[04:24] <Guest43932> russlar: I see the error on /dev/sda1 What do I need to change to force it to mount?
[04:24] <russlar> error on sda1?
[04:24] <russlar> what does df -h say that is mounted as?
[04:24] <Guest73870> when I inserted kubuntu as a live CD, it listed my broadcom wireless as a proprietary driver that it wanted to install (didn't install it).  However, after the installation, it's no longer listed there.
[04:25] <Guest43932> russlar: Nope, sorry that's just if there is an error it will remount.  The drive is not there
[04:25] <russlar> sda1 is not mounted?
[04:25] <russlar> wtf?
[04:25] <russlar> what do you have mounted?
[04:25] <Guest43932> russlar: Yes, sda1 is mounted.  I want to mount sdb1
[04:26] <russlar> id there an entry in your fstab for sdb1?
[04:26] <Guest43932> russlar: No
[04:27] <Guest73870> anyone know how i can get the Hardware Drivers panel to reprobe for hardware?
[04:27] <russlar> make one
[04:27] <russlar> @guest#2: reboot
[04:27] <kuadhual> hello all, I got problem with network. I just clean install to kubuntu 8.10. some how it doesn't resolv a host name... but i can ping to an IP number just fine. anybody know a work around?
[04:27] <Guest43932> russlar: Just type # /dev/sdb1 ?
[04:27] <Guest73870> i just rebooted
[04:28] <Guest73870> the light for the wireless button on my laptop is also off
[04:28] <Guest73870> and the button won't turn it on, works fine on windows.
[04:28] <russlar> no
[04:29] <Guest43932> russlar: Ok, sorry...The error says to add this line to the appropriate row in fstab "/dev/sdb1 /media/External HD-1 ntfs-3g force 0 0" but which is the appropriate line?
[04:29] <russlar> sure
[04:30] <russlar> now do mount -a
[04:30] <joe-coder> iwconfig does list my adapter though
[04:30] <joe-coder> and it shows up in knetwork manager
[04:30] <russlar> ok....
[04:31] <chrisruls00> I really need some help.
[04:31] <Guest43932> It says that the last line that I just added was bad
[04:31] <russlar> ok
[04:32] <russlar> so unplug the drive
[04:32] <russlar> wait a few, then plug it back in
[04:32] <russlar> see if it comes up
[04:32] <jmichaelx> joe-coder: what problem are you having?
[04:32] <Guest43932> russlar: seeing...
[04:33] <russlar> it's believeng
[04:33] <Guest43932> russlar: hmmm it says permissions denied
[04:34] <russlar> sudo chmod 777 whatever/it/is
[04:34] <kuadhual> can anybody help me with network configuration?
[04:35] <Guest43932> russlar: Ok, I entered "sudo chmod 777 /dev/sdb1" but still denied, I was supposed to enter something else?
[04:35] <joe-coder> kuadhual, I need the same
[04:35] <DaSkreech> How do I make a new Archive with Ark?
[04:35] <jmichaelx> joe-coder: i was asking what problem you were having
[04:35] <russlar> you can't change permissions on the device file
[04:36] <russlar> you have to mount it as root
[04:36] <DaSkreech> Guest43932: What are you trying ?
[04:36] <Guest43932> daskreech: I'm trying to mount an external HD that was improperly removed from another system
[04:36] <russlar> @da: guest is trying to mount a disk
[04:36] <DaSkreech> Guest43932: Where to?
[04:36] <kuadhual> joe-coder: what proble do you have
[04:37] <DaSkreech> !tab | russlar
[04:37] <Guest43932> DaSkreech: I don't know what the answer to that is...I just want to be able to view the files on the drive
[04:37] <russlar> DaSkreech: good to knkow
[04:37] <joe-coder> i have broadcom wireless on my laptop, can't get the hardware drivers panel to detect the proprietary driver and install it.  it showed it on live boot but after install it no longer shows it as an option.
[04:37] <Guest43932> It still says the last line that I added to the fstab is bad
[04:38] <russlar> Guest43932: you need a mountpoint for the drive
[04:38] <jmichaelx> chrisruls00: i know how to set up network printing to access a remote printer connected to a PC, but not a standalone network printer. have you checked the forums?
[04:38] <russlar> take that fstab line out
[04:38] <Guest43932> russlar: removed
[04:38] <russlar> ok....
[04:38] <DaSkreech> Guest43932: Ok do this
[04:38] <russlar> sudo mkdir /mnt/drive
[04:38] <DaSkreech> mkdir tempsee ; sudo mount /dev/sdb1 tempsee
[04:39] <russlar> ^^^^^^^
[04:39] <DaSkreech> then ls tempsee
[04:39] <joe-coder> iwconfig shows my broadcom wireless, and so does network manager.
[04:39] <DaSkreech> russlar: doesn't need to sudo /mnt locally works just as well
[04:39] <kuadhual> I have a broadcom STA too... but after I activated the restricted driver, I cannot resolv any dadress
[04:39] <Guest43932> so make the directory in /mnt yes?
[04:39] <chrisruls00> It easily detected it back on 7.10 but I had to do a clean install recently. I'm thinking I would need to find out it's IP address 1st.
[04:39] <DaSkreech> Guest43932: No in ~
[04:40] <kuadhual> it's working fine in 8.04
[04:40] <Guest43932> DaSkreech: ah, ok
[04:40] <joe-coder> unfortunately, i don't have an option to activate the restricted driver.
[04:40] <DaSkreech> we can clean it up later if it works
[04:40] <joe-coder> where did you go to activate it?
[04:40] <DaSkreech> russlar: I actually always have a empty Dir in ~ to do quick nasty mounts
[04:40] <DaSkreech>  :)
[04:41] <russlar> DaSkreech: that just sounds wrong
[04:41] <joe-coder> kuadhual: where did you go to activate the driver?
[04:41] <DaSkreech> Doesn't it? :)
[04:41] <kuadhual> joe-coder: i'm using jockey
[04:41] <russlar> DaSkreech: do that in someone else's home
[04:41] <Guest43932> It came up with errors, hang on I'll pastbin them
[04:41] <DaSkreech> russlar: That's just wrong
[04:41] <DaSkreech> Guest43932: Great :)
[04:41] <kuadhual> joe-coder: K Menu -> System -> Hardware Driver
[04:41] <russlar> DaSkreech: what? have someone else clean up the mess
[04:42] <jmichaelx> this may be ridiculous, chrisruls00, but you could maybe nmap your network to find your printer's IP address
[04:42] <DaSkreech> Not with my priviliges they don't
[04:42] <joe-coder> ok, that's where I was already
[04:42] <joe-coder> in Hardware Driver
[04:42] <Guest43932> !pastebin
[04:43] <Guest43932> http://paste.ubuntu.com/66601/
[04:43] <jmichaelx> chrisruls00: have you entered http://<IP_ADDRESS>:63 in a browser and checked to see if your network printer is listed?
[04:44] <russlar> Guest43932: choice 2
[04:44] <russlar> Guest43932: choice 2
[04:44] <russlar> Guest43932: choice 2
[04:44] <kuadhual> joe-coder: I have to activate, reboot, deactivate, reboot a few times before it can install the driver.
[04:44] <russlar> Guest43932: choice 2
[04:44] <kuadhual> now I deactivate the driver in my laptop
[04:45] <jmichaelx> russlar suggests choice 2, Guest43932
[04:45] <chrisruls00> I found it already in my routers DCHP list. I just printed a test page and that worked so I think I am good to go.
[04:45] <jmichaelx> chrisruls00: awesome
[04:45] <DaSkreech> Guest43932: Whats the issue with the drive again?
[04:45] <Guest43932> russlar: I tried that by adding it to the end of the fstab list, but it said it was wrong...I also tried doing the first optiong (I guess that's choice 2a) and still didn't get it
[04:45] <Guest43932> DaSkreech: It was improperly disconnected from another computer
[04:46] <jmichaelx> i think that should have been http://<IP_ADDRESS>:631 , but oh, well
[04:46] <DaSkreech> Guest43932: So you haven't had any problems with the drive on other computers?
[04:46] <Guest43932> Maybe it's because there was not mount point then?
[04:46] <russlar> DaSkreech: got yanked from winduhs without being properly ejected
[04:46] <Guest43932> Nope, and none on this one until the plug was pulled prematurely on a windows machine
[04:46] <DaSkreech> Guest43932: Was it writing to the drive at the time?
[04:47] <kuadhual> anybody else have any suggestion?
[04:47] <Guest43932> DaSkreech: no, it just gets pissy if you pull it without ejecting
[04:48] <Guest43932> Hey I got it!
[04:48] <DaSkreech> Guest43932: Yeah 2 will work
[04:48] <Guest43932> I think the problem was there was not mount point created for it
[04:48] <DaSkreech> That would be correct
[04:48] <DaSkreech> Guest43932: You can unmount it properly with sudo umount tempsee
[04:49] <Guest43932> So can I now (properly) disconnect and reconnet at will?
[04:49] <DaSkreech> then rmdir tempsee to clean up
[04:49] <DaSkreech> Guest43932: after you sudo umount tempsee then yes
[04:50] <Guest43932> DaSkreech: I must be doing something wrong it says unmount:  command not found
[04:50] <jmichaelx> 'umount'
[04:51] <jmichaelx> no 'n'
[04:51]  * kuadhual moving on
[04:51] <DaSkreech> Guest43932: Worst named command of all time
[04:51] <DaSkreech> umount
[04:52] <DaSkreech> not unmount
[04:52] <kevbuntu_> ok i am having a problem in Kubuntu
[04:52] <kevbuntu_> hahaha
[04:52] <kevbuntu_> i posted this thread:
[04:52] <kevbuntu_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6093196#post6093196
[04:52] <russlar> DaSkreech: touch?
[04:52] <kevbuntu_> but maybe someone can help me here
[04:52] <Guest43932> DaSkreech: still having trouble here.. I'm in this /tempsee dir and I am typing sudo umount
[04:52] <jmichaelx> i know the command is 'umount', but i still type unmount off and on when using that command
[04:52] <Guest43932> DaSkreech: no luck
[04:53] <DaSkreech> russlar: What about it?
[04:53] <DaSkreech> Guest43932: You can't umount if yo uare in it
[04:53] <russlar> worse named than umount?
[04:53] <DaSkreech> russlar: Nope umount is worse
[04:54] <condon> alrighty, got four bg images running just fine...now I've got no menus and no ability to right click to do anything... anyone know what I might have fudged up?
[04:54] <DaSkreech> MMMM fudge
[04:54] <DaSkreech> jmichaelx: can You walk him through an unmounting ?
[04:55] <russlar> gorramit, now I'm hungry
[04:55] <Guest43932> Woo it works!
[04:55] <Guest43932> rm tempsee
[04:55] <JR2CooL> Hey peeps, sorry if this question has already been asked, I just entered. I have no sound with kubuntu 8.10
[04:55] <russlar> did you umount it first?
[04:55] <DaSkreech> Guest43932: rmdir
[04:55] <DaSkreech>  asumming that Guest43932 is a he :)
[04:55] <Guest43932> DaSkreech: There we go...and yes, a he
[04:55] <russlar> DaSkreech: there are no females on the internet, remember?
[04:55] <jmichaelx> ok, what are you trying to unmount.... sorry, i am watching friday's democracy now, chatting in irc and playing njam at the same time
[04:55] <DaSkreech> !women
[04:56] <Guest43932> Thank you both for your help...I wouldn't have figured that out on my own
[04:56] <DaSkreech> Guest43932: Ok .. umm you did umount it first right ?
[04:56] <DaSkreech> Guest43932: Shouldn't need to but it's really quick for repair operations
[04:56] <Dragnslicer> The Internet: where men are men, women are men, and girls are FBI agents
[04:56] <condon> anyone rund kde 4.1 with multiple bg images?
[04:56] <Guest43932> DaSkreech: Yes, of course
[04:56] <JR2CooL> can anyone help me get sound
[04:57] <DaSkreech> condon: in 4.2 I think outside of using activites
[04:57] <DaSkreech> No wait you can do multiple BG now
[04:58] <DaSkreech> Guest43932: it's simply mkdir something; sudo mount /dev/device -t filesystem something
[04:58] <DaSkreech> Off you go fixing stuff
[04:58] <condon> I edited plasma-appletsrc, background color from 0,0,0 to 0,0,0,0 and turned on Wallpaper plugin in compiz
[04:58] <condon> restarted x
[04:58] <DaSkreech> condon: Compiz would be the issue I guess
[04:58] <Guest43932> DaSkreech: Already writing it down...thank you again
[04:58] <condon> now I've got my multiple backgrounds, looks nice, just no menus or ability to right click on the desktop
[04:59] <Guest81424> in setting up my wireless in network manager, (WPA), whenever I change the shared key, it doesn't stick.
[04:59] <condon> how can I tell from consol what version kde I've got?
[04:59] <joe-coder2> the key is an 8-digit alpha-numeric
[04:59] <DaSkreech> condon: Ahhh I should know that...
[05:00] <joe-coder2> however, the shared key field is pre-populated with a long hexadecimal string
[05:00] <julian> does anyone knowk how to open .chm files on okular?
[05:00] <russlar> julian: dont. install kchmviewer
[05:01] <DaSkreech> condon: kde4-config --version
[05:01] <DaSkreech> condon: or kde-config --version if not on KDE4 yet
[05:01] <julian> but okular is able to open that kind of files?
[05:02] <julian> i'm trying to avoid kde3 apps
[05:02] <condon> says 1.0...where do I get 2?
[05:02] <jmichaelx> i was thinking that okular was supposed to be able to view chm files...
[05:02] <condon> sorry, 1.2
[05:03] <DaSkreech> 4.1.2 ?
[05:03] <condon> yep
[05:03] <DaSkreech> That's the latest version
[05:03] <condon> oh, ok
[05:03] <chrisruls00> What program out there will extract rar files? Ark isn't working
[05:03] <DaSkreech>  1.3 comes out in two days or something
[05:03] <jmichaelx> chrisruls00: it works best to use 'unrar' from the command line
[05:03] <chrisruls00> ok, thanks
[05:04] <jmichaelx> chrisruls00: to unrar to your current directory, use 'unrar e filename'
[05:04] <JR2CooL> guys i need help getting my sound to work
[05:04] <JR2CooL> any takers
[05:04] <julian> thanks russlar
[05:04] <julian> :P
[05:05] <russlar> np?
[05:06] <chrisruls00> It worked, thanks.
[05:06] <jmichaelx> yw
[05:06] <DaSkreech> !info unrar-nonfree
[05:06] <chrisruls00> (Although I had to install unrar first)
[05:06] <DaSkreech> !info unrar
[05:06] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[05:06] <russlar> bug!
[05:06] <DaSkreech> !sound
[05:07] <jmichaelx> i did not realize that unrar was nonfree
[05:07] <DaSkreech> There used to be a free version. Guess it died
[05:08] <jmichaelx> that is sad
[05:09] <russlar> they took unrar's freedo m
[05:09] <jmichaelx> i would like to truly know the amount of nonfree software/firmware/etc i have installed on this machine
[05:09] <julian> rms
[05:10] <jmichaelx> i could ask rms to check this machine out, but i think he's fairly busy these days
[05:10] <jmichaelx> he'd just hand me a gnewsense install CD, and tell me to start over
[05:11] <russlar> or ask you to work on hurd
[05:11] <sparr> grr @ kubuntu pushing new ktorrent with less features
[05:11] <russlar> grrr@god for pushing creation with its flaws
[05:12] <sparr> funny
[05:12] <julian> i mean, rms is not a
[05:12] <julian> n app?
[05:12] <sparr> every time i upgrade en masse, i regret it
[05:12] <shadowwulf> question,.....updated my kubuntu...had 6 updates... sound was working ...now it is not ,.,suggestions ?
[05:13] <julian> excuse me
[05:13] <julian> is vrms
[05:13] <russlar> kernel was an update?
[05:14] <shadowwulf> any ideas how to get my sound back ?
[05:17] <shadowwulf> help would be a good thing.. otherwise i will think i will have to reinstall
[05:18] <jmichaelx> shadowwulf: this sounds like an issue for the ubuntu forums
[05:18] <shadowwulf> but i installed kubuntu
[05:18] <sparr> shadowwulf: try #ubuntu for non-kde-specific problems
[05:18] <jmichaelx> shadowwulf: you need to know the exact audio adapter you are using... there may already be an answer there
[05:19] <shadowwulf> ok
[05:19] <sparr> shadowwulf: kubuntu and ubuntu are the same OS with a different GUI
[05:19] <shadowwulf> ok
[05:19] <sparr> ditto xubuntu, medibuntu, mythbuntu
[05:19] <russlar> ubuntu muslin edition
[05:19] <favro> medibuntu is a distro is it...?
[05:19] <shadowwulf> ok thank you
[05:19] <ardchoille> favro: medibuntu is a repo
[05:19] <ardchoille> !medibuntu
[05:19] <favro> I know
[05:20] <ardchoille> oh, I see now, sorry
[05:20] <favro> :)
[05:20] <sparr> russlar: you realize that "muslin" is a type of fabric used to make curtains right?
[05:21] <russlar> sparr: you realize it's 0020, and the m and n keys are right next to each other?
[05:21] <russlar> right?
[05:21] <ardchoille> haha
[05:21] <sparr> sorry, too used to making fun of ignorant americans for that mistake
[05:22] <russlar> yeah, well
[05:24] <jmichaelx> will there be an ubuntu polyester edition?
[05:24] <favro> shadowwulf: I start with   alsamixer   in konsole and make sure all are turned up
[05:24] <russlar> jmichaelx: ubuntu travolta edition
[05:24] <jmichaelx> i'd rather have a beegees' edition
[05:25] <draik> Ibex looks like an emo edition
[05:25] <jmichaelx> maybe even screamo
[05:25] <russlar> ibex looks like a coffee stain
[05:25] <draik> I read that as a coffin stain.
[05:25] <draik> I think I prefer mine.
[05:26] <sparr> it bothers me how much weight people put into things as silly as the default theme in a new [k]ubuntu release
[05:26] <sparr> completely ignoring the important stuff.  wtf does it matter that the desktop is grey instead of blue??
[05:26] <russlar> it bothers me how much weight people put into themselves
[05:26] <sparr> oh look, we made the BUTTONS BIGGER!
[05:27] <russlar> hey now
[05:27] <jmichaelx> i was SO unbelievably pissed about having to switch to kde4 in order to upgrade to intrepid... but it is starting to grow on me. however, i still think they should have waited at least one more release to do this (at least)
[05:27] <draik> I like elevator buttons!
[05:27] <russlar> MS Office 2007's interface is teh shit!
[05:27] <favro> this all sounds like it belongs in #kubuntu-offtopic
[05:27] <favro> !topic
[05:28] <jmichaelx> favro: or maybe even better channels than that..
[05:28] <jmichaelx> there are still nazis in kubuntu-offtopic
[05:29] <sparr> kde4 is almost ready
[05:30] <draik> KDE4 has been out.
[05:30] <sparr> another 6 months and it will not be missing any of the functionality that kde3 had 2 years ago
[05:30] <sparr> which is to say, the functionality that kubuntu had up until a week ago :(
[05:30] <ardchoille> you know you can always switch/upgrade/install Intrepid and use a window manager instead of kde4. There are lots of window managers available and the most popular ones are in the repos.
[05:31] <shadowwulf> it says my master is off ...how do i turn it on ?
[05:31] <ardchoille> fluxbox, enlightenment, openbox, windowmaker.. I can't really decide which one I want :)
[05:31] <sparr> is kde3 included in your "the most popular ones"?
[05:31] <sparr> or kwin[3], if you want to get picky
[05:31] <ardchoille> kde3 is not a window manager
[05:31] <ardchoille> oh, no
[05:31] <sparr> i want kwin v3, kicker v3, etc.
[05:32] <sparr> there is so much stuff i did last week that i cant do right now with kde 4
[05:32] <favro> shadowwulf: you can use the scollwheel or + button to turn it up - arrows to move to it
[05:32] <jmichaelx> i have a younger brother who is of the conviction that windowmaker is still the very best window manager ever
[05:32] <ardchoille> sparr: looks like you have a lot of compiling to do :)
[05:32] <favro> !ot
[05:32] <holycow> hi
[05:32] <holycow> what versio nof kde is default in ibex?
[05:32] <favro> kde4
[05:32] <jmichaelx> !hi | favro
[05:32] <draik> KDE4
[05:32] <sparr> favro: oh, the support questions will be coming when i start mixing hardy packages into my intrepid :)
[05:32] <ardchoille> kde4.1.2
[05:32] <sd32> !webcam
[05:32] <holycow> really?
[05:32] <holycow> k.
[05:33] <sparr> hardy and edgy
[05:33] <ardchoille> sparr: hahaha
[05:33] <sparr> mixing distros is tedious
[05:33] <sparr> if im going back to get kde3 from hardy, i might as well pick up xmms from edgy while im back there
[05:33] <shadowwulf> apparently <shift>
[05:33] <shadowwulf> apparently <shift> + isnt doing it
[05:34] <holycow> is it possible to remove packages via apt with a wildcard of some sort? i need to get rid of the old kde4 packages from hardy
[05:34] <ardchoille> shadowwulf: volume?
[05:34] <shadowwulf> all up
[05:34] <russlar> holycow: why?
[05:34] <favro> shadowwulf: try the up arrow in alsamixer
[05:34] <jmichaelx> sparr: there is someone maintaining a kde3 repo for kubuntu intrepid... look in the forums
[05:34] <draik> It's getting late and I have a long day tomorrow. G'night everyone. holycow, your name ROCKS!
[05:35] <holycow> lawl
[05:35] <jmichaelx> gute nacht, herr draik
[05:35] <sparr> holycow: apt-get remove *foo*
[05:35] <ardchoille> holycow: you could always find the most base package that kde4 depends on and remove it with --auto-remove and that should take all of kde4 out with it
[05:35] <sparr> check the list it generates twice
[05:36] <shadowwulf> have tried that ... does not work....
[05:36] <holycow> sparr: there is no easy way to remove an entire de, would be nice to use a wildcard of some sort *-kde4 for example without having to bash script it
[05:36] <shadowwulf> one of the updates broke the sound
[05:36] <holycow> ardchoille: maybe, hard to know which one is the base library at this point
[05:36] <favro> shadowwulf: in konsole type   aplay -l   to see if the card is used
[05:37] <jmichaelx> you could open up synaptic and just manually select all of the kde4 packages you want to remove. it may be a bit tedious, but it wouldn't take more than 5 minutes to do, i would imagine
[05:37] <ardchoille> holycow: open a terminal and type:  apt-cache search kde4 | grep lib
[05:38] <shadowwulf> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
[05:38] <shadowwulf> card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: ALC861 Analog [ALC861 Analog]
[05:38] <shadowwulf>   Subdevices: 0/1
[05:38] <shadowwulf>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[05:38] <shadowwulf> card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 1: ALC861 Digital [ALC861 Digital]
[05:38] <shadowwulf>   Subdevices: 1/1
[05:38] <shadowwulf>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[05:38] <shadowwulf> card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 6: Si3054 Modem [Si3054 Modem]
[05:38] <shadowwulf>   Subdevices: 1/1
[05:38] <jmichaelx> shadowwulf: ......
[05:38] <shadowwulf>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[05:38] <ardchoille> !paste > shadowwulf
[05:38] <jmichaelx> don't do that
[05:38] <favro> shadowwulf: there is a wiki for your card
[05:39] <favro> !intelhda
[05:39] <mifunya> Hi All
[05:39] <favro> !hi
[05:40] <shadowwulf> i dunno
[05:40] <shadowwulf> how do i check
[05:41] <shadowwulf> it was working when i first installed ,..,now it doesnt workj
[05:41] <favro> shadowwulf:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[05:41] <favro> try that
[05:43] <holycow> looks like aptitude accepts ~n as a wildcard option
[05:43] <holycow> neato
[05:43] <jmichaelx> what i would like to know is what the hell they did to adept.... talk about massive fail
[05:44] <holycow> kinda fugly eh?
[05:44] <holycow> yeah needs work
[05:45] <jmichaelx> fugly is fine with me.... but how functional is it? i cannot even figure out how to just view a list of all available packages, installed or not
[05:45] <ek> jmichaelx: apt-cache search
[05:45] <jmichaelx> i have switched to using adept or synaptic
[05:45] <holycow> yeah synaptic is probably a pretty good model to aim for as far as that is concerned indeed
[05:46] <jmichaelx> ek, i know... but the purpose of adept is to be a GUI package manager
[05:46] <ek> jmichaelx: Just open Adept. By default it will show you every available package as well as installed packages.
[05:46] <jmichaelx> oops.... i have switched to using aptitude or synaptic
[05:46] <jmichaelx> ek: in kubuntu 8.10, it will not do that by default
[05:47] <ek> jmichaelx: Ah. I haven't play with that much yet. Just installed it recently at work on Friday afternoon. So, won't be able to play until tomorrow. =/
[05:47] <jmichaelx> ek: i am not even sure what you can do to MAKE it do that
[05:47] <ek> jmichaelx: However, I did see that it was different. I did get a list of installed packages somehow though (I think).
[05:48] <jmichaelx> ek: yeah, we are all just feeling our way around
[05:48] <ek> jmichaelx: Not sure. I'll check it out though.
[05:48] <ek> jmichaelx: Indeed.
[05:48] <jmichaelx> ek: it is very different than the adept from 3.5... and not very intuitive , if youask me
[05:51] <jmichaelx> well, good night, all!
[05:51] <jmichaelx> peace
[05:51] <ek> jmichaelx: G'night.
[05:52] <ek> jmichaelx: Also, remember that are still going to be massive changes to KDE...
[05:52] <ek> I'm sure Adept isn't excluded from those.
[05:53] <Daisuke_Ido> sad thing is i lost a bet concerning adept in kde4
[05:53] <Daisuke_Ido> i bet someone that it couldn't possibly get any worse in kde4...  i'll never see that $10 again
[05:53] <holycow> what elk said needs to be kept in mind right
[05:54] <holycow> kde4 is quite revolutionary on many levels, not everything will be nice and polished right away
[05:55] <holycow> one of the main things i'm seeing is increased stability of kde4 apps over kde3 native ones ... its purely anecdotal / usage based opinion but so far it has been a very good transition for something so young
[05:55] <Daisuke_Ido> holycow: making a major change to the DE's main package management tool is a good thing, but they went for easier and overshot it all the way to fisher-price
[05:55] <holycow> the big thing that is yet to get stable is plasma, after that i think we are going to have a very nice user experience
[05:55] <Daisuke_Ido> and there are some kde4 apps that i like
[05:56] <holycow> Daisuke_Ido: i'm not sure i garee.  i think the important thing to remember is this is linux
[05:56] <holycow> everything is modular
[05:56] <Daisuke_Ido> and plasma (being the core of the whole thing) should have been stable at 4.0, that was a massive mistake on the part of the kde team, in my opinion
[05:56] <holycow> just because the default is fisher price doesn't mean you cant style it to be whatever you want
[05:56] <Daisuke_Ido> holycow: oh, i know, i don't use adept, i've never been able to stand it
[05:56] <Daisuke_Ido> actually, i do most package management from a terminal anyway
[05:57] <holycow> yeah i think plasma needs some tlc, but i'm loath to complain - foks do this on thier own time and frankly in comparison to tha attrocious vista release kde4 team has done quite well indeed
[05:57] <holycow> they didn't spend 4 billion dollars either
[05:58] <Daisuke_Ido> i agree, kde4 has, since .0, made some huge strides
[05:58] <Daisuke_Ido> and i'm slowly warming up to it
[05:58] <Daisuke_Ido> just that certain parts i find to be severely lacking
[05:58] <Daisuke_Ido> best i can do is offer bug reports though :\
[05:59] <holycow> ditto
[05:59] <holycow> *nod*
[05:59] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm going to give amarok 2 a fair shake
[06:00] <holycow> i was not too happy with the early releases, it really has come around to be something quite nice already
[06:00] <Daisuke_Ido> even though i'm loathe to do so, i find it's a hideous monstrosity compared to its better sibling.  but my mysql db for amarok is hosed, so i'm going to go ahead and use amarok2 while i work on that
[06:01] <Daisuke_Ido> the question is: does a music player really need the extra panel?
[06:01] <Daisuke_Ido> three panes is a bit overkill
[06:02] <holycow> Daisuke_Ido: well you can say that about any app
[06:02] <holycow> every interface is really nothing more than an editorial decision by authors against a particular piece of software
[06:03] <holycow> theoretically one can break down the entire de experience to a whole bazillion widgets
[06:03] <binMonkey> hi, guys.
[06:03] <holycow> and just give youa blank canvas to drag and drop functionality and attach behaviours
[06:03] <isaacj87> #ubuntu-forums
[06:03] <holycow> it's just too hard to do that right now
[06:03] <holycow> i think we will see that when the next generatio nof high level interactivity/programming starts to be created
[06:03] <binMonkey> i'm looking to buy a wireless usb.  any suggestions for one that's supported?
[06:04] <holycow> binMonkey: google is your best bet there my friend
[06:04] <Daisuke_Ido> holycow: yet in this case i'm talking about a decision to scrap a design that is much beloved by a majority of linux users, and probably plays a big part in why those users use amarok in the first place
[06:04] <Daisuke_Ido> iow: if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
[06:04] <holycow> we can give you specific things we bought  but i think the ubuntu wiki has a list of supported devices
[06:04] <holycow> thats going to help you much more
[06:05] <holycow> Daisuke_Ido: heh well people still use winamp
[06:05] <binMonkey> let me try another way.  are any of using wireless usb?  was it supported out of the box?
[06:05] <Daisuke_Ido> but as i said, i'm going to give amarok2 a fair shake and see what i think after a week of using it
[06:05] <Daisuke_Ido> binMonkey: did you completely miss what he just said?
 we can give you specific things we bought  but i think the ubuntu wiki has a list of supported devices
[06:05] <Daisuke_Ido> read the wiki
[06:05] <Daisuke_Ido> it has a list of supported devices
[06:05] <holycow> Daisuke_Ido: they didn't change amarok too much, looks like they are keeping the core of the app there
[06:06] <binMonkey> Daisuke_Ido: no.  i have googled this question.  i am looking for experienced users opinions.
[06:06] <holycow> but they also aren't doing a find / replace against the api just to port the old app so ... so its giving them opportunity to rethink it as well
[06:06] <Daisuke_Ido> holycow: we'll see :)
[06:06] <ectospasm> I've got issues with KDE4, should I get in line?
[06:06] <Daisuke_Ido> i like album grouping, i hate how it gets broken if i remove one file
[06:06] <holycow> indeed :)
[06:07] <holycow> ectospasm: depends, most issues are with users applying the wrong expectations against an open source project
[06:07] <Daisuke_Ido> i hate not being able to automatically sort the playlist by artist or title or album or $tag
[06:08] <ectospasm> holycow: it just seems like such an unfinished product
[06:08] <Ashex> anyone else have their volume control break after upgrade?
[06:08] <holycow> ectospasm: nothing in open source is finsihed
[06:08] <holycow> where would you get the idea anything is finished?
[06:08] <ectospasm> Ah, but nothing commercial is finished, either
[06:08] <holycow> we are all on a perpetual yellow brick road toward perfection
[06:08] <holycow> ectospasm: BINGO
[06:08] <holycow> its just got a nice shiny sticker on it
[06:08] <Daisuke_Ido> holycow: it may never be finished, but ffs, it should be usable
[06:08] <holycow> :)
[06:08] <Ashex> ectospasm, nah, commercial stuff just spontaneously gains features on release
[06:08] <Daisuke_Ido> and parts of kde4 aren't yet.
[06:08] <holycow> it is, i use it at work
[06:09] <ectospasm> So, I expect KDE4 to be usable.  It's not for my purposes...
[06:09] <holycow> well you are free to do one of three things then:
[06:09] <holycow> a) ask for your money back
[06:09] <holycow> b) help fix it
[06:09] <holycow> c) go use wiindows
[06:09] <holycow> :)
[06:09] <Ashex> d) use another wm
[06:10] <holycow> its just that i find just as much to complain about on a mac as i do on windows
[06:10] <isaacj87> ectospasm: I tried out the 4.0.0 series awhile back...and it was difficult to use. The 4.1.x series is a breath of fresh air. KDE 4 is definitely getting better with each new release
[06:10] <holycow> kde4 is hardly unusuable by my way of thinking
[06:10] <Daisuke_Ido> holycow: for a lot of people, it is
[06:11] <holycow> it just depends on the expectations you are applying to the de, fo ryou, indeed it may not be ready
[06:11] <Daisuke_Ido> they released a product that barely qualified as a beta for a .0 release
[06:11] <ectospasm> isaacj87: do you know how I can customize the panel?  Like even change its position from the bottom to the top?  I tried, and met with utter failure earlier today
[06:11] <holycow> and thats okay
[06:11] <holycow> they are free not to use it
[06:11] <DaSkreech> Daisuke_Ido: A lot?
[06:11] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm applying an expectation that they should release it when it's ready, not months before
[06:11] <Daisuke_Ido> that's not a terribly out-of-line expectation
[06:11] <ectospasm> holycow: to be the frontend to an entire distro though, before it's really ready...
[06:11] <holycow> well then
[06:11] <holycow> you are going to be disapoitned
[06:12] <isaacj87> ectospasm: yeah, simple make sure it's unlocked...then drag it up to the top
[06:12] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, i want a product with features, and not just flash
[06:12] <holycow> i hardly think that someone doing this out of love and on their own time should give a crap about what you expect :)
[06:12] <isaacj87> ectospasm: simply*
[06:12] <DaSkreech> ectospasm: Drag it to the top
[06:12] <Daisuke_Ido> so i use gnome
[06:12] <DaSkreech> Daisuke_Ido: That's rich :)
[06:12] <Daisuke_Ido> holycow: software doesn't get better with user feedback?
[06:12] <Daisuke_Ido> DaSkreech: it's more full featured than kde4 at this point
[06:12] <DaSkreech> Daisuke_Ido: how so?
[06:12] <holycow> ectospasm: that sounds remarkeably like people buying an EMACHINE and complaining why ubuntu cant install on it
[06:12] <isaacj87> ectospasm: the panel is pretty flexible now, you can resize it horizontally, vertically, and stick it anywhere!
[06:12] <holycow> when its their responsibility to do their research before hand
[06:12] <brandon_> Hey all!
[06:13] <isaacj87> brandon_: hey!
[06:13] <ectospasm> isaacj87: it's not working for me
[06:13] <holycow> you didn't do your research, cest la vie, find something that works for you
[06:13] <holycow> no ones forcing you to use it
[06:13] <ectospasm> holycow: so you're telling me to go somewhere else?    How do I unlock it?  I only seem able to unlock the widgets...
[06:14] <DaSkreech> Daisuke_Ido: PLus Gnome is at release 24 KDE4 is at release 2
[06:14] <isaacj87> ectospasm: yeah, unlock the widgets
[06:14] <holycow> Daisuke_Ido: like i said, you are welcome to help out
[06:14] <holycow> its like voting
[06:14] <holycow> you don't vote you don't have anything to complain about
[06:14] <holycow> unless of course its th einternet
[06:14] <isaacj87> ectospasm: you're on Kubuntu 8.10 right?
[06:14] <holycow> then of course any psychophant can use it as an excuse to unload
[06:14] <Daisuke_Ido> i help out in the ways that i can, so i'll feel free to complain, thank you very much.
[06:14] <holycow> awesome :)
[06:15] <ectospasm> isaacj87: widgets are unlocked, but it still won't drag to the top.  If I edit settings, I can stretch it, but not move it to the top.
[06:15] <holycow> thats all that can be asked then
[06:15] <DaSkreech> Daisuke_Ido: I'm asking for complaints and I'm not hearing any :(
[06:15] <ectospasm> isaacj87: indeed I am
[06:15] <brandon_> I have just installed Kubuntu 8.10 amd_64 and I have a nvidia geforce 6100 card. My problem is that every time I enable the driver, when I reboot I get nothing but a black screen instead of login screen. can anyone help?
[06:15] <Wicked> hello all. ive set up nfs between 2 ubuntu machines..i can get it to mount...but i cant write files to the share..says permission denied. any ideas?
[06:15] <ectospasm> Wicked: wrong permissions on the shares, probably
[06:16] <ectospasm> you'll probably need to have the passwd files on both machines match up.
[06:16] <isaacj87> ectospasm: oops! you're right actually. It was on OpenSUSE 11.1 Beta 3 that I had that ability
[06:16] <Daisuke_Ido> DaSkreech: amarok is a half-cobbled mess of crap, the default menu (and all alternatives, save the one they broight from 3) are horribly unintuitive, there's no precision in panel sizing, the apps are missing major features of their 3.x cousins, plasma is admittedly not finished
[06:16] <Daisuke_Ido> need i go on?
[06:16] <Wicked> ectospasm, i read somewhere that the uuids need to be the same...in check /etc/passwd and the uid is the same for both users on each machine
[06:16] <Wicked> and there mounted rw
[06:16] <isaacj87> ectospasm: they must of backported something from KDE trunk for 11.1 beta
[06:17] <Wicked> both users have a uid of 1000
[06:17] <isaacj87> ectospasm: wait! I just did it
[06:17] <ectospasm> what are the permissions on the shares?
[06:17] <ectospasm> isaacj87: how?
[06:17] <isaacj87> okay unlock the widgets...do panel settings
[06:18] <isaacj87> ectospasm: there's 3 discernable sections
[06:18] <Ashex> can anyone tell me how to get the quicklaunch back in kde4?
[06:18] <Daisuke_Ido> Ashex: you can't, it doesn't exist yet
[06:18] <Wicked> well on computer one the user is mike with uid of 1000 and can read/write to the shares locally. on computer2 the user is roob with udi of 1000 and it cant write to the remote shares.
[06:18] <DaSkreech> Daisuke_Ido: Amarok hasn't been released so ..., Use the menu from 3 it's there, Sorry :) , I'd like a better list for that as well, I'm not sure plasma will ever be finished
[06:18] <Ashex> Aw damnit
[06:18] <isaacj87> ectospasm: grab the top part and drag up
[06:18] <ectospasm> isaacj87: sections?  Like the stretching sliders?
[06:19] <DaSkreech> Ashex: alt+F2 works a lot nicer now though
[06:19] <Daisuke_Ido> DaSkreech: like i said, i'm going to stick with gnome for the time being - i'll retry 4 around 4.2.1
[06:19] <Ashex> DaSkreech, it definently does look better
[06:19] <Ashex> still use Katapult though
[06:20] <DaSkreech> Daisuke_Ido: Cool. Want to give me the missing features for apps?
[06:20] <Ashex> I just liked being able to click on the apps i wanted to launch
[06:20] <isaacj87> ectospasm: let me clarify, there's the panel, there's one section where you can adjust the horizontal length, and the top section that has the options "add widgets"
[06:20] <isaacj87> ectospasm: grab the top section and drag it up
[06:20] <DaSkreech> Oooh that' quicklaunch
[06:20] <isaacj87> ectospasm: did you get it?
[06:21] <Wicked> i figured it out. was a siple mistake
[06:21] <ectospasm> isaacj87: no... the "drag up" thing stretches the panel vertically, which is not useful.
[06:21] <isaacj87> ectospasm: grab it in the middle
[06:21] <ectospasm> I just had to kill X to get it fixed.
[06:21] <ectospasm> in the center part?  I'll try it
[06:22] <isaacj87> ectospasm: don't grab the very top, you'll see the cursor change
[06:22] <isaacj87> ectospasm: if you grab in the middle of the top section, it'll turn into a 4 way cursor like thing
[06:23] <brandon_> I have just installed Kubuntu 8.10 amd_64 and I have a nvidia geforce 6100 card. My problem is that every time I enable the driver, when I reboot I get nothing but a black screen instead of login screen. can anyone help?
[06:23] <isaacj87> brandon_: trying using the Qt version of Envy
[06:23] <Daisuke_Ido> the fact that this has to be explained in detail shows how unintuitive the new panels are :(
[06:23] <DaSkreech> Daisuke_Ido: Agreed.
[06:23] <isaacj87> brandon_: that should aid you in the process of installing the latest Nvidia driver
[06:23] <ectospasm> isaacj87: I'm still not getting it.
[06:23] <dsmith_> 8.10 stable?
[06:23] <holycow> the new panels are awesome
[06:24] <holycow> its just people being used to the windows paradigm
[06:24] <DaSkreech> holycow: Doesn't stop them being unintuitive :)
[06:24] <brandon_> isaacj87 thanks I'll try
[06:24] <holycow> once people understand that a panel has a visual way to manage it its much nicer
[06:24] <Ashex> I have to say
[06:24] <Ashex> the new adept manager
[06:24] <holycow> i have a problem with the 'intuitive' idea
[06:24] <Ashex> completely blows
[06:24] <dsmith_> heh
[06:24] <holycow> it doesn't mean anything more than 'that which i'm already used to'
[06:24] <isaacj87> ectospasm: that's stange, I've moved it to the top, to the right, to the left...everywhere lol
[06:24] <ectospasm> isaacj87: I got it
[06:24] <Daisuke_Ido> holycow: wrong, it means "easily decipherable without explanation"
[06:25] <holycow> no, it doesn't
[06:25] <Ashex> Now I have to learn what these retarded symbols mean to change the results
[06:25] <isaacj87> ectospasm: sweet!
[06:25] <ectospasm> I needed to click and drag in the middle of the panel editor popup
[06:25] <DaSkreech> Daisuke_Ido: THough I understand when Gnome Just came out I felt the same way.
[06:25] <isaacj87> ectospasm: yeah, it isn't obvious how to do it unfortunately
[06:25] <holycow> Daisuke_Ido: what that means is 'i'm daisuke, i assume ALL HUMANS are of equal iq, of equal eq, all humans learn the same way, all humans hav the same culture'
[06:25] <holycow> and on and on
[06:25] <ectospasm> isaacj87: I'm not sure if I would have gotten that on my own, thanks.
[06:26] <holycow> what is intuitive to any subset of those variables (and others) is virtually guranteed to not be intuitive to another
[06:26] <isaacj87> ectospasm: anytime :)
[06:26] <holycow> to suggest that something is universally intuitive is to not understand humans very well
[06:26] <Daisuke_Ido> the fact that people are having problems resizing or moving a panel is proof that it is NOT intuitive on any level
[06:26] <isaacj87> brandon_: let me know if you have any trouble
[06:26] <ectospasm> the only intuitive interface is the belly button
[06:26] <Ashex> Bah
[06:26] <Ashex> I want to punch the adept maintainer in the balls
[06:26] <holycow> no the fact you are having a problem understanding complexity simply means you haveto go back to school and study a bit more
[06:26] <DaSkreech> Ashex: PLease don't
[06:27] <DaSkreech> Ashex: He worked his ass of to get it in to Ibex for us
[06:27] <holycow> cognition is not a one dimensional topic of discussion easily disseminated over irc
[06:27] <Daisuke_Ido> ah, my dear friend ad hominem
[06:27] <Ashex> DaSkreech, the kde4 version doesn't make sense :(
[06:27] <Ashex> it's all icons, and there's no button to apply changes
[06:27] <holycow> Ashex: post a bug :)
[06:27] <DaSkreech> Ashex: It's very much a work in progress As I said he worked his ass off to make it work at all in time for Ibex
[06:27] <Ashex> yeaah
[06:27] <Ashex> yeah*
[06:27] <DaSkreech> Ashex: There is a changes button
[06:27] <Ashex> I'm just briping
[06:28] <Ashex> griping*
[06:28] <DaSkreech> Go there then click apply
[06:28]  * ectospasm refuses to look at the history
[06:28] <Daisuke_Ido> holycow: you might want to refine your arguments.  i call something unintuitive (as evidenced by examples of people having problems with what should be obvious tasks), and you call me stupid, love it.
[06:28] <ectospasm> did anyone answer Ashex's question about a quicklauncher for KDE4?
[06:28] <holycow> the argument is refined beyond your ability to comprehend unfortunately
[06:28] <Daisuke_Ido> ectospasm: yep, it doesn't exist
[06:28] <holycow> your argument is that intuitive is a variable of 1
[06:28] <Ashex> DaSkreech, adept manager? There's no apply button
[06:28] <DaSkreech> ectospasm: no quicklaunch panelby default
[06:28] <holycow> my argument is that intuitive is a variable of many
[06:28] <ectospasm> Daisuke_Ido: so how do I add a custom icon to the panel?  Does that feature not exist, as well?
[06:28] <holycow> anyone that has studied cognition will know the latter is true and the former is not
[06:28] <Daisuke_Ido> your original argument was that intuitive didn't exist
[06:29] <holycow> *sigh*
[06:29] <holycow> okay i'll stop, this is pointless
[06:29] <DaSkreech> Daisuke_Ido: Absolute intution
[06:29] <Ashex> I'm going to be opening 2 reports for adept manger
[06:29] <Ashex> 1 bug report, and 1 wishlist
[06:29] <DaSkreech> Ashex: Be descriptive
[06:29] <Ashex> DaSkreech, I'm going to do fancy screenshots
[06:29] <DaSkreech> ^_^
[06:30] <holycow> Ashex: one thing about projects like kde is that people are often surprised how few devs are actually working on some of these projects
[06:30] <Ashex> I just wish I could install the kde3 adept manager again
[06:30] <holycow> often there is the impression that it is is a giant effort by a team when it often is just one person hammering out code after work between beers
[06:30] <holycow> :)
[06:30] <Ashex> holycow, I've reading up on the development for it, so I've seen how nasty it is on some parts
[06:31] <Ashex> i've been*
[06:31] <holycow> yeah *nod*
[06:31] <ectospasm> holycow: depends on the open source project, really
[06:31] <ectospasm> Do we eschew the CLI here?
[06:31] <holycow> *nod*
[06:32] <DaSkreech> holycow: Like 3 people on Koffice
[06:32] <holycow> 3?
[06:32] <holycow> wow
[06:32] <ectospasm> is that 3 Ubuntu people, or 3 total?
[06:32] <DaSkreech> total
[06:33] <DaSkreech> no one from Ubuntu works on Kofice
[06:33] <DaSkreech>  They barely have anyone working on KDE
[06:33] <fulat2k> more doesn't mean better :D
[06:33] <dsmith_> whats the point of koffice?
[06:33] <ectospasm> fulat2k: no, but it does usually mean more funding
[06:33] <Daisuke_Ido> fulat2k: doesn't mean worse, either, nice of you to confuse things
[06:33] <DaSkreech> validation of ODF
[06:34] <dsmith_> validation?
[06:34] <isaacj87> dsmith_: fully intergrated office suite i guess?
[06:34] <dsmith_> I have never used it
[06:34] <dsmith_> rather pointless
[06:34] <DaSkreech> If you want a non KDE reason for it to exist
[06:34] <fulat2k> Daisuke_Ido: it might be if team dynamics aren't good in a large team.  i'm in one in my office which isn't too nice :(
[06:34] <DaSkreech> ?
[06:34] <DaSkreech> dsmith_: Just checking. SO any application you have never used has no point?
[06:34] <Ashex> you should see the difference of traffic in kubuntu-devel vs ubuntu-devel mailing lists
[06:34] <DaSkreech> yesitisjustme: no it's not
[06:34] <Daisuke_Ido> fulat2k: that's true, but without knowing the team in question, that's impossible to figure out
[06:34] <dsmith_> hahah, DaSkreech nah
[06:34] <dsmith_> I know other ppl must use it
[06:35] <Ashex> I've been on the kubuntu-devel list for over a year and it's pretty quiet compared ti ubuntu-devel
[06:35] <Ashex> to*
[06:35] <DaSkreech> Well yeah the size in teams is so disparate it's silly
[06:35] <yesitisjustme> :-D
[06:36] <DaSkreech> Annoying part is that really effective people on the Kubuntu team are constantly pushed towards working on Ubuntu instead
[06:36] <Daisuke_Ido> because ubuntu is first and foremost a gnome-based distro...  suse is probably stacked the other way
[06:36] <isaacj87> I've been using Ubuntu for 2 years now and I find Kubuntu to be quite refreshing :)
[06:36]  * DaSkreech rants
[06:36] <ectospasm> I've been using Kubuntu for close to a year now.  I like it a lot
[06:36] <dsmith_> i like kubuntu better
[06:36] <DaSkreech> Ashex: How come you are on the devel list?
[06:36] <holycow> oh kubuntu ... as in not kde  but kubuntu
[06:36] <holycow> hehe
[06:36] <Ashex> DaSkreech, I'm a tester
[06:37] <Ashex> I don't do any actually code contributions, I just hit it with a hammer until it breaks
[06:37] <fulat2k> Daisuke_Ido: true dat.
[06:37] <isaacj87> holycow: no, actually Kubuntu. OpenSUSE has nice KDE implentation, but (K)Ubuntu just works better :)
[06:37] <DaSkreech> Ashex: WElcome!! :)
[06:37] <ectospasm> My main gripe with GNOME is that they stripped so much configurability out in order to make the interface easier to use (no, editing gconf is NOT a viable option, I'd rather deal with the Windows registry, thanks!)
[06:37] <Ashex> hehe
[06:38] <ectospasm> ...so I switched to KDE on Ubuntu and then Kubuntu
[06:38] <Ashex> I'm kinda pissed I didn't have time to do a full test of Intrepid before release
[06:38] <fulat2k> ectospasm: is gnome still that way?  haven't used it in a long while
[06:38] <ectospasm> Ashex: I just plunged in
[06:38] <Daisuke_Ido> preferring the windows registry over gconf sounds pretty masochistic to me
[06:38] <DaSkreech> Daisuke_Ido: Thanks
[06:38] <ectospasm> fulat2k: I don't know, I'm just saying that was my impression
[06:38] <Ashex> Normally I'll be working on things at least a month in advance
[06:38] <isaacj87> ectospasm: did you find a fresh install of Kubuntu is better than just tacking on KDE to Ubuntu, which oddly enough is essentially the same thing?
[06:38] <Ashex> I think Intrepid has introduced more issues then in other releases
[06:38] <DaSkreech> isaacj87: Cleaner menu :)
[06:39] <Ashex> mainly to blame is kde4
[06:39] <DaSkreech> Ashex: Post LTS
[06:39] <isaacj87> DaSkreech: definitely. :)
[06:39] <DaSkreech> Oh yeah KDE4
[06:39] <holycow> heh, i have konversation fullscreen wtih ff doing a live stream minimized.  its wicked having real time preview of the window when  you mouse over it
[06:39] <DaSkreech> Yeah that would do it as well
[06:39] <Ashex> yeah
[06:39] <Ashex> I have a nice gripe list I use to keep track of bugs
[06:39] <DaSkreech> 4.2 should be in general livable
[06:39] <holycow> its those little things you get from a well thought out framework that you get for free that you dont get from other de's ... using kde is just a pleasure
[06:40] <ectospasm> isaacj87: I found using Kubuntu better simply because it was less complicated, but not much less:  essentially all you have to do from Ubuntu is "aptitude -y install kubuntu-desktop" and you're done (-;
[06:40] <Ashex> right now I'm trying to think of a good description for the adept manager wishlist report
[06:40] <Ashex> all I have right now is "Adept Manager interface makes no sense"
[06:40] <DaSkreech> what's the wish ?
[06:40] <Ashex> a bunch of suggestions on making the manager more useable
[06:41] <ectospasm> Ashex: maybe you should phrase it like "Adept Manager should a)... b)... and c)....
[06:41] <ectospasm> "
[06:41] <DaSkreech> How about streamline Adept interface ?
[06:41] <Ashex> whomever the maintainer is, they're trying to make it synaptic
[06:41] <Ashex> ectospasm, I meant the title, the description is fine for the most part
[06:41] <DaSkreech> I just want Debtags
[06:42] <ectospasm> Why not call it "Feature Requests" << Ashex
[06:42] <DaSkreech> If adept has debtags working then I don't care I'll suffer it
[06:42] <Ashex> ectospasm, ah, that's the one I was thinking of
[06:42] <Ashex> heh
[06:42] <Ashex> I'm just going with "Adept Manager is difficult to use in KDE4"
[06:42]  * ectospasm doesn't know (or care)... he uses aptitude
[06:43] <stdin> Ashex: that's not a good title, say *why* it is
[06:44] <Ashex> stdin, there's so many :(
[06:44] <stdin> maybe add "[Usability]" somewhere in there
[06:44] <Daisuke_Ido> saying they're trying to make adept into synaptic shows an absolute unfamilarity with synaptic
[06:44] <stdin> "[Usability] Adept has a difficult UI", then expand in the description
[06:44] <DaSkreech> Ashex: Listen to stdin
[06:44] <Ashex> yeah
[06:45] <Ashex> DaSkreech, stdin is the freakin' guru, of course I'm going to :P
[06:45] <Ashex> yeah, I'll go with that
[06:45]  * DaSkreech makes up shirts
[06:45] <stdin> we know Adept is not perfect, and we don't pretend to think it is :)
[06:45] <Ashex> [Usability] Adept Manager should have text labels for icons
[06:45] <DaSkreech> stdin The Guru of Freak!!
[06:45] <ectospasm> Is adding and removing widgets from the panel broken, or am I just stupid?
[06:45] <DaSkreech> Daisuke_Ido: And adept
[06:45] <ectospasm> ...in KDE4
[06:45] <holycow> i think maybe its time to write a new package
[06:45] <holycow> a kde helper package
[06:46] <DaSkreech> holycow: IT's a plasmoid called the welcome plasmoid
[06:46] <holycow> one that lets your right click on an app and get direct linkage to the bug tracker and perhaps a todo list
[06:46] <DaSkreech>  been in SVN since before 4.0
[06:46] <holycow> so that users can stop complaining and just look up what is going on and where the app is going
[06:46] <DaSkreech> oooh that would be a neat plasmoid
[06:46] <holycow> lol DaSkreech lookin for it
[06:46] <holycow> DaSkreech: i'm not kiddin either, i'm really thinkin abou tit
[06:47] <holycow> maybe its time to learn how to do plasmoids
[06:47] <Daisuke_Ido> since when is a user coming here to ask for assistance "complaining"
[06:47] <Daisuke_Ido> this is a support channel
[06:48] <stdin> KDE apps usually have Help -> Report Bug, but that currently links the to KDE bugtracker
[06:48] <DaSkreech> stdin: and doesn't track
[06:48] <DaSkreech> having it track is valuable I think
[06:48] <ectospasm> OK, got it to work
[06:48] <ectospasm> ...although I'm not sure entirely how
[06:49] <DaSkreech> having it track multiple people visually would be neat and enhance community :)
[06:49] <DaSkreech> ectospasm: Lock it quick and run!
[06:49] <holycow> Daisuke_Ido: i didn't mean it that way
[06:50] <ectospasm> Ah... when you lock one panel, you lock them all!
[06:50] <DaSkreech> ectospasm: Hmm never considered if that's by design
[06:52] <Ashex> bah
[06:52] <Ashex> anyone still using kde3?
[06:52] <holycow> not me, i don't use gnome any more either
[06:53]  * DaSkreech uses E
[06:56] <Ashex> well, nuts
[06:56] <DaSkreech> cashew?
[06:56] <Ashex> I'll have to setup hardy in a vm to finish this report
[06:57] <Ashex> eh, I'll take care of it later
[06:57] <Ashex> bed time anyways
[06:57] <DaSkreech> night
[07:01] <dsmith_> well kubuntu kde4 still does what it did earlier
[07:01] <dsmith_> when I set the correct resolution for my monitor the fonts get big
[07:01] <ectospasm> should we file bugs with Kubuntu or upstream?
[07:02] <dsmith_> oh and now I get a big fat whitescreen
[07:03] <Ashex> ectospasm, file with kubuntu and it will get sent upstream
[07:04] <dsmith_> rebooted it and its working now
[07:04] <dsmith_> weird
[07:04] <ectospasm> Ashex: link
[07:04] <ectospasm> ?
[07:06] <Ashex> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/+filebug ?
[07:07] <Ashex> anywho, bed time
[07:08] <Ash-Fox> Hello, how do I reduce the the CPU usage of xorg in, intrepid? It's currently stuck around 8-18% CPU when running. I've disabled visual effects in KDE, which has helped a lot. But not enough as I'm trying to get a similar footprint that is in hardy?
[07:10] <Ash-Fox> It's even shooting up to 40% occasionally, this is really annoying.
[07:16] <dsmith_> how do I install firefox and a host of other programs? I cannot find them *to* install
[07:17] <Dragonath> dsmith_: have you tried the adept package manager?
[07:17] <dsmith_> I think I looked there already
[07:17] <dsmith_> you mean adept installer?
[07:18] <Dragonath> dsmith_: my adept manager is in the kmenu under system
[07:18] <Dragonath> I don't know if it's name has changed
[07:19] <Dragonath> if you type firefox into it doesn't it give you a list of packages to install?
[07:19] <dsmith_> bunch of addons
[07:20] <dsmith_> I think I found it
[07:20] <dsmith_> wow wait a pain
[07:20] <Dragonath> there isn't a package called firefox-3.0?
[07:20] <Dragonath> that should be it
[07:20] <dsmith_> yea
[07:20] <dsmith_> too hard to find
[07:20] <dsmith_> should come as default
[07:20] <Ash-Fox> Even 'firefox' would work.
[07:21] <dsmith_> there waws no image for it
[07:21] <dsmith_> question mark
[07:21] <dsmith_> majority of the software show all questions marks
[07:22] <Dragonath> you are using 8.10?
[07:22] <dsmith_> yes
[07:22] <dsmith_> install a bunch of gnome dependcies
[07:22] <dsmith_> hmmmmmmm
[07:23] <Dragonath> kubuntu 8.10?
[07:23] <dsmith_> no when installing firefox
[07:23] <dsmith_> and it takes me to the ubuntu page
[07:23] <dsmith_> hehe
[07:24] <Dragonath> yeah, but if you are using kubuntu 8.10 you shouldn't need anything with gnome in it to install firefox
[07:24] <Dragonath> that's what I think anyways
[07:25] <dsmith_> no, install firefox 3, pulled in a bunch of gnome dep.
[07:25] <dsmith_> I watched it
[07:25] <stdin> dsmith_: if you see icons, you're in "Add/Remove Software" not Adept Manager
[07:27] <stdin> to get firefox without the gnome stuff you need "sudo apt-get --no-install-recommends install firefox"
[07:27] <stdin> because apt defaults to install recommended packages
[07:28] <dsmith_> thanks
[07:28] <dsmith_> now to find a suitable window manager theme
[07:44] <Deepthought> what is the command for finding version-number of my kde ?
[07:47] <dsmith_> ok got a new wm
[07:47] <dsmith_> how does one rearrange multiple icons?
[07:51] <bibek> hi about apt-get update
[07:51] <bibek> say i do it in one computer
[07:51] <bibek> how do i copy the downloaded meta data in another computer?
[07:51] <bibek> so that when i do sudo apt-get update in another computer, i dont have to download all of them
[07:52] <bibek> any thoughts?
[07:52] <_2> bibek scp root@host:/var/cache/apt/archives/* root@host2:/var/cache/apt/archives/
[07:53] <bibek> _2 that would copy only .deb files
[07:53] <bibek> i meant the metadata thats downloaded when we do sudo apt-get update
[07:54] <_2> bibek scp root@host:/var/cache/apt/* root@host2:/var/cache/apt/
[07:54] <_2> bibek sorry, scp root@host:/var/lib/apt/* root@host2:/var/lib/apt/
[07:57] <bibek> _2 thanks will give it a try
[07:58] <dsmith_> welll..kde4 has come along
[07:58] <dsmith_> I'll wait 6 months
[07:58] <dsmith_> maybe longer
[07:58] <rafi> hello
[07:59] <rafi> what the french kubuntu irc
[07:59] <rien-ne-va-plus> !fr
[07:59] <rafi> thx
[07:59] <dsmith_> merci
[08:00] <dsmith_> !en
[08:01] <rien-ne-va-plus> !in
[08:03] <dig> Just wonder anyone install more than 1 language in his/her linux box.
[08:03] <vasilisa> anyone know why the new version of gwenview has no tool bar, no settings, and no rename option?
[08:08] <_2> dig it might be more productive to just ask the second question "how do you switch beteww them"
[08:09] <dig> _2, yes I guess. I have problem that 2 languages mixing up.
[08:10] <dig> That happens in pidgins, compiled errors, etc
[08:10] <_2> dig try command: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales
[08:13] <dig> -2, what is -plow
[08:14] <_2> man dpkg
[08:16] <kuil> morning all
[08:16] <_2> basicly it's the oppisite of -phigh   -p priority  but man dpkg   will explain it all
[08:17] <kuil> anybody else here is having problems with 'blinking external monitor' after installing 8.10? I had no problems with 8.04
[08:18] <kuil> my external monitor keeps turning on and off every 5 seconds or so
[08:20] <dig> No joy, thx _2 though
[08:21] <_2> dig one other thought.  you might need an i18 for the mozilla suite   not sure about it though.
[08:21] <_2> dig, every thing else is ok ?
[08:21] <dig> Everything is fine.
[08:22] <_2> well, i'd look for language packs for the app then.
[08:26] <vasilisa> Someone please help me... im on intrepid here... and gwenview 2.1 has NO renaming ability. Configure shortcuts  didnt even list an option for one
[08:26] <vasilisa> and the program has no menu bar at all
[08:26] <vasilisa> surely they didnt decide to get rid of the ability to rename a file...
[08:26] <HollowPoint> And there's why I haven't upgraded from Hardy yet
[08:27] <vasilisa> i regret it. keyboard shortcuts dont work either
[08:27] <vasilisa> at all
[08:27] <HollowPoint> nah it'll be a silly oversight at a guess or it's just in some weird location in KDE4 version of Grenview, Is it just Jpgs your using it for or PDFs?
[08:28] <vasilisa> just image files, not pdfs
[08:28] <vasilisa> i dunno how it could be in a weird location since there IS no location. they got rid of the menu entirely
[08:28] <HollowPoint> ah ok, you mean there are no menus at all
[08:28] <HollowPoint> ?
[08:29] <HollowPoint> that seems rather bizzare
[08:29] <HollowPoint> well I don't even have Gwenview installed because I use gimp for JPGs and Adobe Reader for PDFs
[08:29] <vasilisa> yep. you right click at the top and say "configure toolbars" and add them in similar to widgits
[08:29] <HollowPoint> so I can't help look for shortcuts sorry
[08:29] <vasilisa> >.<
[08:30] <vasilisa> its extremely weird. i may remove it and get the old version off the site. it worked really well
[08:31]  * _2 wonders what gwenview is/does ...
[08:31] <vasilisa> image browser
[08:31] <HollowPoint> lol _2 it's a file viewer
[08:31] <vasilisa> the best file view imo
[08:31] <vasilisa> or it was
[08:31] <_2> mm k
[08:32] <vasilisa> this one doesnt even have plugins, no batch renames, no dupe detection
[08:32] <HollowPoint> I'm thinking about dumping Kubuntu now tbh, Mandriva 2009.0 uses KDE4.1 and it's really good, Kubuntu 8.10 I've run in a VM and tbh, it just blows
[08:32] <vasilisa> how can i sort my... er, family photos with something like that
[08:32] <dig> vasilisa, stupid question, using 2.1.2?
[08:33] <vasilisa> dig: yes.
[08:33] <vasilisa> dig: thats what came in the repos. *getting ready to nuke it*
[08:34] <vasilisa> haha die
[08:34] <_2> pah-hamily pah-ohtos you say    ;/
[08:35] <vasilisa> why do the pictures on the gwenview website show a tool bar?
[08:35] <vasilisa> this better not be me pressing a stupid new kde4 shortcut that removes title bars or something
[08:36] <_2> alt+m
[08:36] <vasilisa> alt+m? whats that
[08:36] <dig> possible?
[08:36] <vasilisa> oh snap, hang on
[08:37] <_2> vasilisa it used to be "show/hide menu"  in many apps.
[08:37] <vasilisa> hmm
[08:37] <larsivi> when trying to use ssl enabled jabber with kopete, I get that the QCA TLS thingy probably is missing
[08:37] <dig> I find that I can hide the main toolbar.
[08:37] <vasilisa> ...
[08:37] <dig> by right click on the top.
[08:37] <vasilisa> *sigh*
[08:38] <vasilisa> ok it worked
[08:38] <vasilisa> but
[08:38] <vasilisa> there's still no "rename" under the file or edit option
[08:39] <_2> well if it werent kde4 i would quote the ole "this is kde, right click everything.  configure configure coufigure!"
[08:40] <vasilisa> yeah i know
[08:40] <_2> but that doesn't really apply to kde4
[08:40] <vasilisa> maybe they'll fix it
[08:40] <vasilisa> i feel like im using vista though
[08:40] <_2> probably,   just before they abandon it.
[08:40] <_2> heh.  that bad ?
[08:41] <vasilisa> yeah that bad
[08:41] <vasilisa> i had to turn off the graphical effect s because it was bloated
[08:42] <vasilisa> oh
[08:42] <_2> even in kde3 when the first time wizard would run i would always slide the affects selector all the way to none.
[08:42] <vasilisa> it looks like gwenview 2.1.2 is not stable
[08:42] <vasilisa> >.<
[08:43] <HollowPoint> I don't like KDE4.1 but I can't bring myself to use Gnome so I'm stuck with 3.5.9, like I said before I like Mandriva 2009.0's version of KDE4.1 but haven't used it extensively enough to know if I could live with it
[08:43] <larsivi> I find that Xorg uses a lot of CPU and memory now (with intrepid), the kde4 apps aren't too bad, although kwin uses about half of Xorg
[08:44] <vasilisa> crap, now its going to tell me to upgrade gwenview every day
[08:44] <_2> HollowPoint you're not "stuck with 3.5.9"  there are all kinds of alternatives.   xfce4 fluxbox twm ....
[08:45] <HollowPoint> xfce isn't a real option tbh imho, flucbox and twm are just not full enough for me, see I like a LITTLE bloat, I just don't like a LOT lol
[08:45] <HollowPoint> LXDE is my favorite 2nd place desktop to KDE but I still prefer KDE
[08:45] <_2> HollowPoint like i said  `you're not "stuck with..."'   it's a choice.
[08:46] <HollowPoint> yeah ok granted it's a choice, but kinda frustrating that it's a choice because I don't like my other choices
[08:46] <go_beep_yourself> how do i get kcontrol for kde3.5 apps in ubuntu 8.10???
[08:46] <_2> understood.
[08:46] <vasilisa> there
[08:46] <HollowPoint> I'm actually thinking more about going Lenny than anything else
[08:47] <vasilisa> i wish you could say "i dont want to make that update ever" and be left alone
[08:47] <HollowPoint> you can
[08:47] <vasilisa> how?
[08:47] <_2> HollowPoint i haven't kept up.  is lenny now clasified "stable"  or is it still "testing" ?
[08:47] <HollowPoint> you can configure synaptic for different types of updates etc
[08:47] <vasilisa> hmm
[08:48] <Ragol> hi, I just installed kubuntu 8.10 for my thinkcentre (lenovo desktop-computer) and can get only 1280x1024 out of DVI
[08:48] <Ragol> any ideas where to starts looking for the problem?
[08:48] <Ragol> GUI doesn't allow any bigger resolutions...
[08:49] <HollowPoint> nah still testing, but I reviewed it the other week http://inform.symsysit.com/2008/10/lenny-set-to-take-the-it-world-by-storm/ and really enjoyed the experience, still uses KDE3.5.9 as well
[08:49] <HollowPoint> xorg.conf Ragol
[08:50] <HollowPoint> excuse our site speed by the way, it's just all of a sudden in the last half hour gone mega slow, must be doing a batch backup at the planet or something
[08:51] <_2> HollowPoint nice.   4.0 is etch, right?   i have that.   it reminds me a lot of ubuntu dapper.
[08:51] <Ragol> okay, found some forum postings that said that for some reason that hadn't helped them this time, but maybe I just need to test it
[08:52] <HollowPoint> 4.0 is Etch, which I also reviewed on that site, 5.0 is Lenny, which is overdue for being stable but it's REALLY close, installer kicks ass and it seems pretty stable to me but Debian are always pretty metticulous sp?
[08:52] <HollowPoint> Ragol I think you'll need to change your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to get a higher resolution, I had to on my test install of 8.10
[08:52] <momal> "pci 0000:00:1a.7: EHCI: BIOS handoff failed (BIOS bug?)" I have a toshiba satellite a300 Ubuntu 8.10 AMD64. It seems to add at least 15 seconds to boot time. It seems the device is USB2  Doesn't seem to be anything in my BIOS to disable USB only USB legacy but that didnt' work.
[08:52] <vasilisa> i cant get synaptic to stop thinking i should update gwenview
[08:53] <Ragol> HollowPoint: yeah, but that's sad... I mean, I've been using (K)ubuntu since 4.10 or something, and I don't mind to get my hands dirty with text configs, but for an average user this is not a good thing
[08:54] <_2> and for all the aptitude fanboys around,  aptitude could not remove eximd "i think it is. the mail service"   kept looping and reinstalling it.     but apt had no problem with it.    heh.  more is not always better.
[08:54] <ubuntu_sucks_dic> HollowPoint have you ever tried icewm? read up on icewm + rox
[08:54] <ubuntu_sucks_dic> i prefer icewm+nautilus+synaptic+rox+lm-sensors+k3b
[08:55] <HollowPoint> agree completely Ragol but it's the way it is most of the time, Xorg doesn't seem to like anything more than that res by default, I think 8.10 has Xrandr installed by default though so maybe try that?
[08:55] <HollowPoint> ubuntu_sucks_dic: I took icewm for a spin shortly, but just didn't have enough bloat for me, I like a little bit of eye candy, just not as much as KDE4.1 uses
[08:56] <_2> Ragol i tend to disagree.  linux has always had things you had to edit by hand,  and any "avarage" linux user should be able to do that.
[08:56] <HollowPoint> also, am not a fan of nautilus at all
[08:57] <Ragol> _2: yeah, but ubuntu is targeted to be an easy to use out-of-the-box version
[08:57] <Ragol> at least it has that kind of an image
[08:57] <JohnFlux2> ragol: HollowPoint: to change resolution?   press alt+f2  and type 'krandrtray'.  Then you get thing in your monitor to change resolution
[08:57] <JohnFlux2> uh, a little monitor icon in the systray
[08:57] <_2> the thing that really gets under my skin is, when they try so hard to make something "just work" that it can't be fixed.   "think M$ vesta"
[08:57] <HollowPoint> tbh Ragol, I find Mandriva better for new users than Ubuntu, it's just once you get further than a new user that it gets abit annoying
[08:58] <Kernel> !smaba
[08:58] <Kernel> !samba
[08:58] <Ragol> JohnFlux2: well... the problem is that the maximum resolution that program allows is a little too small... :)
[08:58] <HollowPoint> JohnFlux2: yeah I just suggested using XRandR but I still doubt it'll configure to the res Ragol wants without some tweaking in the CLi
[08:59] <JohnFlux2> yeah it'll need tweaking.  it means that the video card or the monitor are reporting that they can't go higher
[08:59] <JohnFlux2> or no accelerated driver  or something
[08:59] <ubuntu_sucks_dic> HollowPoint sure, xfce?
[08:59] <Ragol> yeah, I also thought that it may be some error in that part
[08:59]  * _2 votes for "or something"
[09:00] <HollowPoint> JohnFlux2: I wish that were true, but it isn't, I use two 19@ monitors on an Nvidia card, if I don't install nvidia drivers it bugs out to shit, if I do install Nvidia drivers I have to edit by the CLi to get the res to a point where I can use Nvidia settings
[09:00] <HollowPoint> 19", damn kiwi/american keyboards, I want my UK Keyboard back :(
[09:01] <viriimind> umm...is it possible to install Adobe Photoshop cs3 Extended on Kubuntu 8.01?
[09:01] <Ragol> mm... where can I find most easily with versions of nvidia drivers I need for my card?
[09:01] <HollowPoint> Kubuntu should be able to install it by going into the control center Ragol and choosing restricted drivers
[09:02] <HollowPoint> viriimind: to my knowledge the only way to install CS3 ANYTHING is to have a working Windows installation and copy all files and registry entries accross, CS2 however does now install in Wine
[09:02] <_2> !ati | Ragol
[09:02] <_2> page might help
[09:02] <HollowPoint> or at least Photoshop and Illustrator etc do
[09:03] <_2> did they get the nvidia bug fixed in intrepid ?
[09:03] <favro> viriimind: you can check if it is supported in wine
[09:03] <HollowPoint> sorry photoshop and Dreamweaver, Illustrator needs tweaking after install
[09:03] <favro> !appdb | viriimind
[09:03] <viriimind> ok.. thanks a lot
[09:04] <_2> is the nv bug fixed in increpid ibex
[09:04] <HollowPoint> Photoshop and Dreamweaver CS2* both have platinum ratings in Wine now I believe, and to get illustrator to work you just have to delete a file in the wine folder for it to work if I remember rightly
[09:04] <kuil> my external monitor keeps turning on and off every 5 seconds or so since I upgraded (reinstalled) 8.10 .. anybody else experiencing this?
[09:04] <favro> _2: in the release notes for 8.10 it tells about the nvidia issue
[09:05] <_2> yes i was wondering if there was a fix yet
[09:05] <HollowPoint> it's not ubuntu/kubuntu that has an Nvidia problem anyway, it's Xorg
[09:05] <HollowPoint> and no I think they're still working on it _2
[09:05] <_2> k