[00:00] <Ken8521> SeraphX, well.. what issues? i have intel graphics and i'm not having any issues(note, i don't run desktop effects or play games)
[00:00] <yofel> SeraphX: well, what exactly are your issues? x won't start? wrong resolution? to slow? no 3D?
[00:01] <SeraphX> well... its not that much of an issue, but i dont really know what it would do instead
[00:01] <SeraphX> in glxgears when i dont move the mouse it starts stuttering
[00:01] <SeraphX> and i get really low fps
[00:01] <SeraphX> about 30
[00:01] <Ken8521> which intel device o you have?
[00:02] <SeraphX> i915
[00:02] <SeraphX> GM
[00:02] <Ken8521> hmm, i have gm965
[00:03] <yofel> my 954gme works ok, but it's a slow card in the first place (eeePC)
[00:03] <yofel> *945
[00:04] <SeraphX> it runs normal, when mouse it not dissapperaing
[00:04] <SeraphX> dissappearing*
[00:04] <SeraphX> -s
[00:05] <SeraphX> just from the point when the cursor is being removed it begins stuttering
[00:05] <SeraphX> is there any #intelgraphics or something like that?
[00:07] <Daekdroom> SeraphX, I think it is #intel-gfx
[00:07] <SeraphX> actually, having a second thought.. i doubt that developers dont know about it....
[00:08] <SeraphX> ok
[00:08] <SeraphX> thx
[00:12] <pepee> well, aptitude is trying to remove enlightenment (e17) from my machine
[00:13] <Ken8521> lol
[00:13] <Ken8521> "let it, let it, let it, let it"
[00:13] <Azelphur> snow?
[00:13] <pepee> "The following packages have unmet dependencies:  libeina-svn-05: Conflicts: libeina0 which is a virtual package.   libeina-svn-06: Conflicts: libeina0 which is a virtual package."
[00:14] <pepee> don't really know what libeina0 is
[00:19] <Votan> anyone else having more and more packages that cannot be updated via the update manager ?
[00:19] <Ken8521> Votan, nope, all good in the hood here..
[00:20] <Votan> mh, did u perform a partial upgrade recently Ken8521 ?
[00:22] <androidbruce|lap> i am getting updates almost by the .5 hr
[00:22] <androidbruce|lap> is this the norm?
[00:24] <Ken8521> Votan, negative
[00:24] <Ken8521> Votan, i did a full update/upgrade about 2hrs ago.
[00:26] <Votan> ah I see, that's why than, I ignored the upgade messages so far. I might give the upgrade a shot, nothing major broke ?
[00:27] <androidbruce|lap> im still experiencing import issues with Rhythmbox
[00:27] <androidbruce|lap> anyone else?
[00:33] <intrader> Ken8521,yofel: The install of 10.10 has gone well - It seems to cure the problems I described in bug 631130 . I will continue to test
[00:34] <yofel> pepee: known, e17 is too old, someone synced the enlightment libraries from debian without syncing enlightment itself...
[00:34] <yofel> know the dependencies don't match up :/
[00:34] <yofel> pepee: bug 613271
[00:34] <pepee> heh
[00:35] <pepee> thanks
[00:36] <yofel> pepee: I have a synced e17 package in my ppa, no guarantee if it works right though https://launchpad.net/~yofel/+archive/off-ppa
[00:47] <pepee> yofel, no changes
[00:48] <yofel> pepee: can you try again in about 10 minutes? I had the package in a different ppa and just copied it over
[00:48] <pepee> ok, no problem
[00:48] <pepee> I will
[00:58] <yofel> soyuz is slow today o.O
[00:58] <Artemis3> Hey guys do you know a way to switch from netbook remix to standard gnome? Am i correct unity using composite effects? because openchrome keeps crashing if i place the cursor near it
[00:58] <yofel> the moment I say it e17 got published ^^
[00:59] <Artemis3> what? e17? no way...
[00:59] <yofel> Artemis3: talking about a ppa of mine
[00:59] <yofel> pepee: should work fine now
[00:59] <pepee> ok
[01:00] <Artemis3> even dukenukem is going out before e17 :P
[01:04] <pepee> good news: http://developers.slashdot.org/story/10/09/28/143204/OpenOfficeorg-Declares-Independence-From-Oracle-Becomes-LibreOffice
[01:07] <Artemis3> lol wut libreoffice?
[01:07] <Artemis3> they dont need to change the name...
[01:08] <GuyFromHell> okay here's an interesting bug.... ubuntu maverick causes my headphone jack to light up... red...
[01:08] <GuyFromHell> like the port itself is lit up.... why is there even an led in there
[01:08] <Artemis3> its a feature?
[01:08] <GuyFromHell> Artemis3, the led? i've never seen it lit up in any other os (mac and gentoo)
[01:09] <Artemis3> see? now you can plug it in the dark ^^
[01:10] <GuyFromHell> lol, but it makes me concerned for my hardware. "why is it lit up? is it angry at me?"
[01:10] <GuyFromHell> i'd like to file a bug that the led that is emitted from the headphone jack should be brown or purple, not red. Does not fit with the Human theme
[01:10] <Artemis3> naw, its helping you
[01:12] <pepee> yofel, no changes, aptitude insists on removing it
[01:12] <yofel> odd, works fine here
[01:13] <pepee> in fact, I think I should do it, I'm not even using e17
[01:13] <Ken8521> pepee, are you sure it's not just removing a metapackage?
[01:14] <cebalrai> light in Headphone Jack = TOS-Link, digital output for optical cables
[01:15] <pepee> http://pastebin.com/evQd3H05
[01:18] <pepee> dont know where "libeina0" comes from
[01:20] <GuyFromHell> Figured it out. apparently the headphone jack doubles as an optical out and S/PDIF was unmuted in alsamixer
[01:21] <GuyFromHell> cebalrai, oh, just read what you said. yes :)
[01:21] <GuyFromHell> i didn't realize you could double a headphone jack as optical out
[01:22] <cebalrai> I realized it a couple of years ago, when i was trying to figure out, how a laptop is supposed to do S/PDIF using an optical output.
[01:23] <cebalrai> Pretty neat if you have one of the 3.5mm Mini-TOSLINK adapters
[01:23] <cebalrai> of course, any laptop made within the last 2 years has HDMI or DP anyways
[01:25] <lunks> how to enable metacontacts on telepathy?
[01:34] <cebalrai> @lunks: right click contact> "Link contact"
[01:34] <cebalrai> or something like that
[01:35] <lunks> cebalrai, i can't find it :( and have already installed libfolks0, libfolks-telepathy0 and restarted telepathy
[01:36] <lunks> I'll try relogin on x
[01:37] <cebalrai> <all of that should be a dependency of "empathy" anyways.
[01:37] <pepee> hmm i'm hearing some "bzzzz", I think is from the touchpad
[01:38] <pepee> also, something changed, now I cant scroll like I used to :(
[01:40] <nuestra> i cannot install usplash; it depends on a few packages that are "not going to be installed". Thus gnome-splashscreen-manager fails with "unknown file format" and a few ruby errors. Any ideas? Thanks.
[01:40] <lunks> Ok, How can I enable meta-contacts on Telepathy? :P
[01:42] <lunks> Also, getting an error: E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.
[01:50] <GA_Bull> !panelreset
[01:51] <GA_Bull> !panelreset
[01:51] <Ken8521> GA_Bull, lol, still havin probs?
[01:51] <GA_Bull> yea. now my panel is just flat out jacked up.
[01:51] <Ken8521> if it's there.. just add a new panel, and delete the jacked up one, and setup the newone how you want it.
[01:51] <GA_Bull> now it's good... yay panel resets.
[01:52] <Ken8521> or reset it..
[01:52] <GA_Bull> haha. yea... reseting is almost easier.
[01:52] <Ken8521> lol
[01:52] <Ken8521> i like having 1 panel at the top, as opposed to two panels
[01:53] <lunks> Looks like Maverick releases so far have been a little unstable for everyone, right?
[01:53] <Ken8521> if you consolidate the window buttons w/ Window selector, you can make everything fit nicely in one panel...(unless you're crazy about stuff up there)
[01:53] <Ken8521> lunks, i've had no issues at all
[01:53] <lunks> Ken8521, you're real lucky. :) since what build have you been using it?
[01:54] <Ken8521> um, i think i installed alpha3
[01:54] <lunks> Upgrading Ubuntu, a lot of people told me, have been a little awkward. I usually do it before the final release, but it's rarely smooth. 10.04 was kinda smooth, 10.10 has been a pain.
[01:55] <lunks> I have just realized I'm half upgraded. :P
[01:56] <Artemis3> hey GA_Bull does that works to remove netbook remix interface?
[01:56] <GA_Bull> Ken, I only use one panel as well.. I just have the top panel, and a cairo dock on bottom.
[01:57] <GA_Bull> Artemis3, no, I don't believe it will, it is a Gnome panel reset.
[01:57] <GA_Bull> Artemis3, did you install it as 10.10 and then add on the Unity desktop environment, or did you install as Netbook?
[01:57] <Artemis3> as netbook
[01:58] <Artemis3> its crashing openchrome...
[01:58] <Artemis3> the s3 driver :(
[01:59] <GA_Bull> What you are probably going to have to do, is download 10.10 maverick as a desktop envrionment, and then select that environment when you log on. I'm not sure of the terminal code to get it... let me look.
[01:59] <Artemis3> yes i was hoping to avoid that...
[02:00] <GA_Bull> Yea, I can't seem to find it.
[02:00] <GA_Bull> I am not sure if that is even possible honestly. Netbook is a Unity Envrionment... Desktop is Gnome.
[02:01] <Artemis3> ill try installing ubuntu-desktop and uninstalling packages around
[02:01] <GA_Bull> What I did to fix the crashing problem was just flat out install 10.10 desktop on there, and play around with the GUI to make it look good . worked quite well.
[02:02] <Artemis3> ill do that if i can't find which package belongs to unity
[02:02] <GA_Bull> I hated 10.10 netbook remix. and i only had it for all of an hour.
[02:02] <Ken8521> 1, whole, frustrating, annoying, hour
[02:02] <Ken8521> lol
[02:08] <GA_Bull> Extremely, and Ken knows that. hahahaha. He shared it with me on here.
[02:08] <Ken8521> lol
[02:16] <lunks> Looks like my Ubuntu is fully updated, but I don't see metacontacts yet. Does anyone who has successfully able to use metacontacts on telepathy could tell me what version number is it on and what you accomplished to do it?
[02:16] <lunks> I have already installed libfolks0 and libfolks-telepathy0, but it doesn't seem to work
[02:17] <lunks> On empathy, I mean :P (although it has to be enabled on telepathy)
[02:22] <Ken8521> impathy just sucks
[02:22] <lunks> Ken8521, i see your point, but I feel like pidgin sucks even more. :P
[02:22] <Ken8521> ugh, are you serious?
[02:22] <Artemis3> i like pidgin
[02:23] <Ken8521> pidgin is the cats meow, IMO.
[02:23] <johnjohn101> i just upgraded my ubuntu and it went into a continuous loop during installation and now I can't get my screen..
[02:24] <Ken8521> broken upgrades... ftw!
[02:24] <Ken8521> that's why i never upgrade... if it goes fine, great, if it doesn't, it's just epic fail.
[02:24] <Ken8521> i never even upgraded Windows, always did clean installs.
[02:25] <Ken8521> but w/ Windows, it was expensive
[02:25] <lunks> Ken8521, yup. I once tried to use some features on pidgin which were not released yet, and the IRC channels weren't friendly at all. It's the kind of software community which just doesn't give a damn about what their user think, mostly.
[02:25] <johnjohn101> windows blows, this is the first time I've had a problem upgrading ubuntu, I guess I can wait until rc is out on thursday
[02:25] <Ken8521> yeah.
[02:25] <lunks> Empathy on the other way has a gol more akin to what people want on an IM on linux.
[02:25] <johnjohn101> kind of disappointing
[02:26] <lunks> Ken8521, I use Ubuntu because it has things like this channel. :P
[02:26] <Ken8521> yeah, support for Linux is nice... ubuntuforums is a great resource as well.
[02:30] <GA_Bull> dear god. I have 176 updates... sigh.
[02:30] <Ken8521> lol
[02:31] <Ken8521> i'm checking now to see if i have updates, i don't think i do...
[02:32] <Ken8521> nope, up to date
[02:35] <psusi> it's a shame the new lvm tools didn't make it into maverick... being able to snapshot before an upgrade, and roll back if it all goes tits up will be nice
[02:37] <johnjohn101> i was so stoked for 10.10.  now I'm not so sure
[02:37] <Ken8521> johnjohn101, why?
[02:37] <johnjohn101> flash crashes
[02:38] <Ken8521> johnjohn101, no problem here at Camp Ken
[02:38] <johnjohn101> a lot of errors even in the beta
[02:38] <Ken8521> johnjohn101, "in the beta"... who's to say these issues you're having won't be fixed by final release.... i think to many people install beta's, and expect stuff to work perfectly
[02:38] <johnjohn101> if someone can tell me how to get my ubuntu back, like in safe mode, I don't have grub
[02:40] <Ken8521> johnjohn101, is it a single boot machine...
[02:40] <Ken8521> cuz single boot machines, skip grub by default.
[02:40] <johnjohn101> yep single boot
[02:40] <GA_Bull> I've had no problem with flash crashing whatsoever.
[02:41] <Ken8521> johnjohn101, well thats why... grub isn't missing.
[02:41] <johnjohn101> i get flash crashing in firefox almost 15 times a day
[02:41] <Ken8521> it's there..(assuming your m achine is booting properly)... it's just not displayed cuz it's a single boot machine
[02:41] <johnjohn101> well how to I boot into recovery mode
[02:41] <Ken8521> hold on
[02:41] <johnjohn101> thanks
[02:41] <GA_Bull> i haven't so far. i did just stop running firefox and start running chrome again.
[02:41] <psusi> npviewer has been crashing on me just about every time I close a tab using it... but I just chalked it up to me using chromium and flash sucking a fat one
[02:42] <GA_Bull> recovery mode. before you log on. change the desktop environment to recovery mode.
[02:42] <johnjohn101> how?
[02:42] <johnjohn101> i don't even get to the logon screen
[02:42] <GA_Bull> ah. hmm....
[02:42] <johnjohn101> it happened during this last "update"
[02:44] <Lunks> ...and someone knows how to enable MSN webcam video on empathy?
[02:45] <Ken8521> johnjohn101, gksudo gedit /etc/default/grub
[02:46] <Ken8521> 3rd line. you'll see "Grub_Hidden_Timeout=0".. .. comment that out to look like this.. "#Grub_Hidden_Timeout=0"
[02:46] <Ken8521> after that edit is done, close the file.
[02:46] <Ken8521> then in the terminal, type "sudo update-grub2"
[02:47] <Ken8521> *obviously, make sure you save the changes when you close it
[02:50] <DanaG> My gripe with the Maverick grub: savedefault doesn't work.
[02:50] <DanaG> It never sets "saved_entry" in grubenv.
[02:51] <crucialhoax> Banshee from the repos is extremely unstable on my system, logs show nothing. any suggestions?
[02:53] <Ken8521> crucialhoax, haven't messed w/ banshee yet
[02:53] <Ken8521> somebody was complaining about rythmbox earlier
[02:54] <crucialhoax> Ken8521: darn, it crashes every time its opened
[02:54] <Ken8521> hmm, hang on
[02:55] <Ken8521> it's installing now crucialhoax i'll check it out
[02:55] <crucialhoax> Ken8521: Thanks a lot, you didnt have to install it just for my complication.
[02:55] <Ken8521> crucialhoax, eh... who knwos.. it might work no prob for me.
[02:55] <Ken8521> of course, i tmight not either....lol
[02:56] <crucialhoax> True true
[02:57] <Ken8521> man, it needed a ton of crap installed, i'll tell you that..lol
[02:57] <crucialhoax> Yeah... It has a ton of dependencies.
[02:58] <crucialhoax> I may know how to reproduce this.
[02:58] <Ken8521> crucialhoax, it just started up fine for me.
[02:59] <Ken8521> are you using 32 or 64bit?
[02:59] <crucialhoax> 32bit.
[02:59] <crucialhoax> Ken8521: Yea it starts up fine for me too, the thing is as soon as it started playing, it would freeze every time I chaged the song
[03:00] <Ken8521> oh ok.
[03:00] <Ken8521> well i didn't try playing any music.
[03:00] <crucialhoax> Enable the BPM Detection extension
[03:00] <Ken8521> crucialhoax, have you tried running it in terminal, and seeing if you get an output when it crashes?
[03:00] <crucialhoax> Ken8521: There isnt any output that suggests the crash :/
[03:00] <crucialhoax> but disable it in the preferences
[03:00] <Ken8521> hmm
[03:01] <Ken8521> hmm, i dunno
[03:02] <crucialhoax> I think that was the problem..
[03:04] <crucialhoax> Yep [knock on wood] I had the BPM Detection extension loaded, but for my music preferences I had its option unticked. It seems to be functioning fine now..
[03:04] <Ken8521> well good
[03:04] <Ken8521> problem solved
[03:04] <crucialhoax> I believe I will post that on my bug report.
[03:09] <tweak> hi. i instanned an icon theme but want to modify it and cant find where it was installed to even through file search. any ideas where i can find it?
[03:09] <tweak> installed..**
[03:10] <Ken8521> what icon theme... it's probably in /usr/share/icons.. would be my first guess
[03:10] <Ken8521> is it just an icon theme, or is it a complete theme?(window manager, etc..)
[03:10] <tweak> yeah i thought so too but it doesnt seem to be there. just icon theme.
[03:11] <crucialhoax> tweak: Check ~/.icons
[03:11] <Ken8521> oh thats right... /.icons is probably where ti is.
[03:12] <tweak>  /home/user/.icons?
[03:12] <crucialhoax> tweak: Yes
[03:12] <Ken8521> it's probably there
[03:12] <tweak> crucialhoax: Ken8521 : thank you
[03:12] <Ken8521> i completely forgot about that directory
[03:13] <Ken8521> guess thats why it's hidden
[03:13] <crucialhoax> tweak: No problem. Remember that directory, a lot of icons themes install there. /usr/share/icons is for icons that are system-wide
[03:13] <crucialhoax> ~/icons are your user specific installed icon sets
[03:14] <tweak> now to try and figure out which one i need to modify :p thanks yeah they are there
[03:14] <crucialhoax> tweak: Nice lol
[03:14] <crucialhoax> tweak: Hope it works out for ya :)
[03:14] <Ken8521> what do you guys think of the default wallpapers?
[03:14] <tweak> me too :p im sure it will with a likke tweaking
[03:15] <tweak> little*
[03:20] <Ken8521> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Breakthrough+variant+1?content=86769
[03:31] <GA_Bull> Ken, meh... it's ok, cool concept...
[03:31] <Ken8521> yeah.... i just thought it was ok.
[03:32] <Ken8521> GA_Bull, this is what i ended up w/.. i like it.  http://gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=70560&file1=70560-1.jpg&file2=70560-2.jpg&file3=&name=Xuks
[03:33] <Ken8521> http://gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-files/70560-Xuks.jpg
[03:33] <Ken8521> tjhats a better link
[03:33] <GA_Bull> Ken8521, you make that? (sorry, missed the entire previous conversation)
[03:33] <Ken8521> nope.. just bored, looking for some wallpapers on gnome-look.org
[03:34] <Ken8521> lmao, are you kidding, my idea of quality art, is stick figures
[03:37] <GA_Bull> lol, I used to do graphic design. Kind stopped for a while. I was a pretty freakin awesome designer if I may say so myself...
[03:37] <Ken8521> not me man
[03:37] <Ken8521> i'm a nerd, but not a creative nerd
[03:38] <GA_Bull> Lol, I loved it, oh, well in my free time, and as profession I am a Theatrical Lighting Designer, Master Electrician, Programmer, Audio Tech, Technical Director, Actor, Singer, Dancer, etc...
[03:38] <GA_Bull> I jsut listed the titles I have recently had haha.
[03:38] <Ken8521> lol
[03:38] <GA_Bull> Yea, I have a strange combination of talents.
[03:39] <GA_Bull> I also Kayak, and Rock Climb.
[03:39] <GA_Bull> And work on trucks.
[03:39] <Ken8521> i done work for a guy, probably 5-6mo ago... he traveled all around the country setting up major concerts, etc.. he was some sort of sound tech.
[03:39] <GA_Bull> Audio Designer?
[03:39] <GA_Bull> oh, I also do some Costume work... aka sew and stuff...
[03:39] <Lunks> What packages do I need for MSN webcam?
[03:39] <Ken8521> i dont know his position, he had a slab leak and i needed to jackhammer his floor, and he left his keys w/ his neighbor so i could get in and out over the next 2 days.
[03:40] <Lunks> I already have the latest empathy
[03:40] <Ken8521> Lunks, not sure about w/ empathy.. have you considered just installing aMsn?
[03:40] <Ken8521> GA_Bull, my only hobby(other than Linux and nerd stuff) is shootin guns.
[03:41] <GA_Bull> Ken8521, I love me some guns (:
[03:41] <GA_Bull> I love shootin.
[03:41] <GA_Bull> oh, other hobby. Camping. lol
[03:41] <Ken8521> yeah, shooting might be the only thing i enjoy more than linux.
[03:41] <Ken8521> GA_Bull, really?.. me and you would probably get along well.
[03:41] <Ken8521> i camp a lot.
[03:41] <Ken8521> at least 4-5x a year.
[03:42] <Ken8521> but i'm not a wuss like most folks, for me "camping season" starts in November and ends in March(ie, cold weather camping..lol)
[03:42] <GA_Bull> I just this last weekend got back from the mountains for a short camping and caving trip.
[03:42] <Ken8521> yeah, we don't really have mountains here.
[03:42] <Ken8521> speed bumps are referred to as humongous hills
[03:42] <GA_Bull> Haha, where ya located? ifn ya don't mind me askin. lol.
[03:42] <Ken8521> Indiana
[03:43] <GA_Bull> Yea, yall are pretty freakin flat haha.
[03:43] <GA_Bull> Georgia.
[03:43] <Ken8521> yeah, for sure.
[03:43] <Lunks> Ken8521, if I used aMSN, what would I have to do to enable it?  GTalk is fine, it works great
[03:47] <GA_Bull> I Love snow, just cold, not so much, snow+cold, is great.
[03:47] <Ken8521> Lunks, ok, so you've verified your camera is working.. thats more what i was curioius about.
[03:47] <Lunks> Ken8521, yep
[03:47] <Ken8521> GA_Bull, i'm just the opposite, i love it when it's balls freezing cold.. but i don't care much for snow.
[03:47] <Ken8521> a little snow, doesn't bother me
[03:48] <GA_Bull> Ken8521, I especially love camping in the snow...
[03:48] <GA_Bull> one of my favorite things.
[03:48] <Ken8521> but last year, we were getting 8in one day, 5in the next, 3in the next, then 3 day sof semi-warm weather, it would start to melt, then it woudl freeze, and roads would be a sheet of ice
[03:48] <Ken8521> GA_Bull, oh yeah, i totally agree.. like i said, i can live w/o the snow... but cold weather camping is awesome.... people always tell me i'm crazy when i go camping when it's november, and the high is 35.. and the low in the single digits.
[03:49] <Ken8521> it's not bad though, the key, is quality gear... you get stuff knowing you'll be battling the cold, and it's really not bad at all.
[03:49] <GA_Bull> Dear god, it's that cold in November?!
[03:49] <Ken8521> oh yeah. towards the end of november? not uncommon at all.
[03:49] <GA_Bull> I'm not sure it has ever been that cold in Georgia.
[03:49] <Ken8521> usually our "bitter cold" months though, hit around end of jan/early feb.
[03:49] <Ken8521> i try to work in 2 3 day trips usually in feb
[03:50] <GA_Bull> If anything that would be like mid jan.
[03:50] <Ken8521> yah, it gets pretty cold here towards thanksgiving.. usually isn't snowing yet, but sometimes it is.
[03:50] <GA_Bull> The lowest "low" i think i've ever seen is like 26. Or something.
[03:50] <Ken8521> 26?.. thats jacket weather
[03:50] <GA_Bull> Ok, I lie, I think it's gotten down to like, 18. Maybe. That's a stretch.
[03:50] <Ken8521> lol
[03:51] <GA_Bull> It was about 78 this morning and I was wearing jeans and a jacket.
[03:51] <GA_Bull> I would carry around a campfire if it was 18 degrees.
[03:51] <Ken8521> i don't wear a jacket till it hits around 30-35.. usually i just wear sweatshirts and jeans... and i stay plenty warm
[03:51] <Ken8521> when it gets into the bitter cold months, (like i said, end of jan and feb) i have a heavy coat
[03:52] <GA_Bull> Um.... yeaaaaa.... bout that. haha. I start wearing light jackets when it hits mid 70's.  I'm thinking about moving to the mountains.
[03:57] <GA_Bull> Eventually that is.
[03:57] <Ken8521> ya
[03:58] <GA_Bull> I have no idea what kind of job I could have up there... but I don't care... I just want to live in the mountains.
[03:59] <Ken8521> hmm.
[03:59] <GA_Bull> If I get my SwiftWater White Water Rescue certification then I could do that... but it's gonna take me forever to get that.
[04:01] <Ken8521> yeah
[04:01] <Ken8521> the pastor of our church he is real into white water rafting
[04:01] <GA_Bull> I can't wait though, I'm considering just changing my major, getting an Emergency Medicine degree, and doing Search and Rescue. I would love that to death, and I could live in the mountains.
[04:02] <Ken8521> that would be pretty col
[04:02] <Ken8521> *cool
[04:02] <Ken8521> but man, a medicine degree is EXPENSIVE
[04:03] <GA_Bull> I'm already a Pre-Med major, and Georgia has amazing scholarships. aka the HOPE fund.
[04:04] <Ken8521> lol
[04:04] <GA_Bull> pays my full tuition as long as i'm in a State University and have above a 3.5
[04:04] <Ken8521> "hope and change"... lol.  I hope we change it back
[04:04] <Ken8521> that's not bad.
[04:04] <GA_Bull> Um, no. I love HOPE. if they got rid of it I'd be screwed... I wouldn't be able to go through college haha.
[04:04] <GA_Bull> And our state lottery funds it.
[04:05] <Ken8521> lol, i was just kidding
[04:05] <GA_Bull> hahaha. That's the only part of Georgia's education system I like... other than that, I believe we are either the second or third worst education system in America.
[04:06] <Ken8521> yeah
[04:07] <Ken8521> ours isn't exactly shocking the world w/ it's efficiency
[04:07] <GA_Bull> It's completely horrible, I got out of high school as quickly as i could
[04:07] <Ken8521> lol
[04:07] <Ken8521> i wasn't to big a fan of HS either
[04:08] <Ken8521> i could have graduated as a junior, but the school system wouldn't let me( had all my required classes, etc..)
[04:08] <Ken8521> so my senior year, they put me in a work program, where i went to school for 3hrs in the morning, and was allowed to work 40hrs a week
[04:08] <GA_Bull> I just left HS and went to College 2 year early, and my HS pays my full tuition.
[04:09] <GA_Bull> I gotta run, speaking of school, I have an impromptu exam in the morning. So I'm off.
[04:09] <Ken8521> all right man, goo dluck
[04:09] <GA_Bull> thanks.
[04:16] <nOStahl> so I just updated to 10.10
[04:16] <nOStahl> took 4 hours of downloading and compiling heh
[04:16] <nOStahl> no.... it was 5 and half hours just looked at the clock
[04:16] <nOStahl> but im here heh.
[04:16] <nOStahl> unit sure looks/feels like gnome shell a bit?
[04:16] <nOStahl> or is it just me
[04:25] <intrader> I would like to run skype in 10.10beta. I can't find it in the package manager - only python-skype.
[04:27] <nOStahl> skype.com
[04:27] <nOStahl> its not packaged yet for 10.10 specifically
[04:30] <intrader> n0Stahl, thanks I will download from there. That is what I had to do for 10.04 (and it runs Ok there)
[04:32] <nOStahl> I cant wait for some new innovation in skype linux
[04:32] <nOStahl> it works great I just want a nicer wrapper for the gui haha
[04:32] <nOStahl> looks very old
[04:32] <negahban> is any one else experiencing x.org process using lots of cpu? using 'awesome' wm and nvidia drivers
[04:33] <nOStahl> not here, running the new unity launcher
[04:33] <nOStahl> I kinda like this.
[04:33] <nOStahl> ran across a gnome project called global menu
[04:33] <negahban> glxinfo is also reporting direct rendering capability is working
[04:33] <nOStahl> it aims to move the menu options from the individual windows and up to the top bar
[04:35] <nOStahl> now with the new unity, it looks like they fine tuned globalmenu
[04:35] <nOStahl> its flowing very wel.
[04:35] <nOStahl> well
[04:37] <intrader> n0Stahl, I have trouble with the installation. After download I have a choice of opening in Archive Manager or Ubuntu Software center. The file has a type of .deb
[04:37] <nOStahl> go to terminal type in sudo apt-get install dpkg
[04:37] <nOStahl> make sure its installed.
[04:38] <intrader> n0Stahl, where dpkg is the .deb file?
[04:38] <nOStahl> in your downloads folder
[04:39] <nOStahl> dpkg is the program that uses .deb files
[04:40] <glebihan> nOStahl: you cannot run apt-get install dpkg... apt-get is based on dpkg
[04:40] <nOStahl> ah true
[04:41] <glebihan> intrader: opening the .deb file with software center should work, or run "dpkg -i debfile.deb"
[04:44] <nOStahl> man, my eee pc 901 feels like a brand new experience with ubuntu 10.10
[04:44] <nOStahl> much spit and polish over 10.04
[04:45] <intrader> n0Stahl, no go, it tells me 'Unable to locate package skype-ubuntu-intrepid... Couldn't find any package by regex 'skype-ubuntu-intrepid...'
[04:45] <glebihan> intrader: what's this package ?
[04:46] <glebihan> intrader: why don't you install the "skype" package from the repos ?
[04:46] <intrader> n0Stahl, the I cd to Downloads, then issue `sudo apt-get install skype*.deb`
[04:47] <glebihan> intrader: dpkg -i skype*.deb
[04:47] <glebihan> not apt-get
[04:47] <intrader> n0Stahl, all that shows there is python-skype
[04:47] <glebihan> but you can also run "sudo apt-get install skype"
[04:49] <intrader> glebihan, tells me Package 'skype' has no installation candidate
[04:50] <Ken8521> ok, i just found something really weird
[04:50] <Ken8521> my number pad is not working..
[04:50] <glebihan> intrader: you have to enable the multiverse repo
[04:50] <glebihan> no sorry
[04:51] <glebihan> my mistake
[04:51] <glebihan> go with the dpkg -i command
[04:52] <Ken8521> nevermind
[04:52] <Ken8521> man that's stupid, why do they have the numberpad set to be overridden by the mouse by default?
[04:52] <Ken8521> that is ignorant as hell.
[04:53] <intrader> glebihan, I am lost with what you said. how do I enable the multiverse repo? etc.. 'go with dbkg -i command'?
[04:53] <glebihan> intrader: forget about the multiverse repo, was a mistake
[04:54] <glebihan> intrader: run "sudo dpkg -i skype*.deb" from the download folder
[04:56] <intrader> glebihan, a bunch of dependency problems: libqt4, libqtcore4, etc.
[04:57] <glebihan> intrader: try "gdebi skype*.deb"
[04:57] <glebihan> intrader: should install the dependencies
[04:58] <intrader> glebihan, how? gdebi not found
[04:59] <intrader> glebihan, boy, I did not have to do any of this for 10.04!
[04:59] <nOStahl> 10.10 is not live
[04:59] <nOStahl> it is alpha
[05:00] <glebihan> intrader: you can run "sudo apt-get install gdebi"
[05:00] <intrader> n0Stahl, well beta - I understand
[05:00] <glebihan> intrader: then you'll be able to run the previous command
[05:02] <intrader> glebihan, a bunch of dependencies missint for `sudo apt-get install gdebi`
[05:02] <intrader> glebihan, same dependencies of skype, it seems.
[05:03] <glebihan> intrader: that's weird, could you pastebin the complete error message ?
[05:04] <intrader> glebihan, should I stream to a file in downloads, and then what?
[05:05] <glebihan> intrader: just copy the error message you're getting with "sudo apt-get install gdebi" to http://paste.ubuntu.com"
[05:09] <intrader> glebihan, done
[05:09] <glebihan> intrader: give me the address so I can have a look
[05:10] <intrader> glebhihan, http://paste.ubuntu.com/502438/
[05:10] <bullgard4> What Ubuntu website will show the Maverick milestones?
[05:11] <glebihan> bullgard4: launchpad
[05:11] <intrader> glebihan, http://paste.ubuntu.com/502438/
[05:11] <bullgard4> glebihan: hahaha!
[05:11] <glebihan> bullgard4: ?
[05:12] <bullgard4> glebihan: ?
[05:12] <intrader> glebihan, the address is http://paste.ubuntu.com/502438/
[05:12] <glebihan> intrader: I'm looking at it
[05:13] <intrader> I don't know why completion of nicks is not working in Xchat for 10.10beta
[05:13] <glebihan> intrader: could you also pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file ?
[05:13] <glebihan> intrader: btw, completion working here
[05:14] <intrader> glebihan, is there a way to upload or should I vi or textedit?
[05:15] <glebihan> intrader: if you have pastebinit installed, you can run "pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"
[05:15] <nOStahl> so i've been playing around for last hour with unity
[05:15] <nOStahl> I need to give gnome shell a try
[05:15] <nOStahl> so I can make a decision
[05:16] <intrader> glebihan, I have not install pastebinit
[05:16] <glebihan> intrader: then you'll have to use a text editor as I guess you'll get errors if you try to install pastebinit too
[05:17] <intrader> glebihan, pastebinit has the same dependencies problem
[05:18] <glebihan> intrader: that's what I thought, open sources.list and paste it to paste.ubuntu.com
[05:20] <intrader> glebihan,ok, here are the sources.list http://paste.ubuntu.com/502441/
[05:21] <intrader> glebihan, beta makes this very tough!
[05:22] <glebihan> intrader: have you run "sudo apt-get update" before trying all of this ?
[05:24] <intrader> glebihan, no
[05:25] <glebihan> intrader: then run it and then "sudo apt-get install gdebi again"
[05:27] <intrader> glebihan, same dependency problems, plus gdebi-core
[05:28] <glebihan> intrader: what do you get if you run "sudo apt-get install gdebi-core" ?
[05:29] <intrader> glebihan, same as with my initial pastebin
[05:29] <intrader> glebihan, dependency hell if I try to load the dependencies
[05:31] <glebihan> intrader: try "apt-get -f install gdebi"
[05:32] <intrader> glebihan, same, including gdebi-core
[05:32] <glebihan> intrader: ok then you may try changing the mirror you're using, try the main server
[05:33] <intrader> All in all I see that 10.10 beta is much more usable compared to 10.04
[05:33] <intrader> glebihan, and how do I do that?
[05:34] <glebihan> intrader: in System->Administration->Software sources, select Download from "Main server"
[05:37] <intrader> glebihan, tells me that I have 1 broken package in system and to use the filter....???
[05:37] <glebihan> intrader: does it tell which package is broken ?
[05:38] <intrader> glebihan, no, simply that I should use a filter to locate it.....????
[05:38] <glebihan> intrader: run "sudo apt-get update" again and pastebin the output
[05:41] <intrader> glebihan, done - http://paste.ubuntu.com/502448/
[05:42] <glebihan> intrader: looks good, try "sudo apt-get install gdebi" again
[05:43] <intrader> glebihan, same dependency problems
[05:45] <glebihan> intrader: could you run "sudo apt-get install gdebi-core" again and pastebin the complete output ?
[05:47] <intrader> glebihan, done, http://paste.ubuntu.com/502451/
[05:48] <intrader> glebihan, same output for gdebi-core
[05:48] <glebihan> intrader: exact same output ?
[05:49] <intrader> glebihan, only the line about gdebi-core
[05:49] <glebihan> intrader: yes show me that one
[05:50] <intrader> glebihan, is missing from the pastebin I sent.
[05:51] <intrader> glebihan, here it is http://paste.ubuntu.com/502454/
[05:52] <glebihan> intrader: try "sudo apt-get-f remove skype"
[05:52]  * lucent :X
[05:54] <intrader> glebihan, done  - no problems '1 not fully installed or removed', etc.
[05:54] <intrader> ls
[05:55] <intrader> Sorry!
[05:55] <glebihan> intrader: now "sudo apt-get install gdebi-core" again ?
[05:56] <intrader> glebihan, looks good, wow this is intricate
[05:56] <glebihan> intrader: ok, let's go for "sudo apt-get install gdebi" then
[05:57] <glebihan> intrader: we're gonna get there :)
[05:58] <intrader> glebihan, no problems :)
[05:58] <glebihan> intrader: so now back to the gdebi command : "sudo gdebi skype*.deb" from the download folder
[05:59] <intrader> glebihan, and what is gdebi
[05:59] <glebihan> intrader: gdebi is a dpkg tool which handles dependencies when installing packages
[06:00] <glebihan> intrader: about the same thing as apt-get except that it can it installs from files instead of repos
[06:01] <intrader> glebihan, its doing it 85%
[06:02] <intrader> glebihan, done with no errors, just a lot of output.
[06:02] <glebihan> intrader: ok then try launching skype
[06:02] <intrader> glebihan, doing that
[06:04] <intrader> glebihan, waiting ..... for sign in
[06:06] <intrader> glebihan, no I see my daughter at Randolph College. Great seems to be up
[06:06] <glebihan> intrader: nice :)
[06:07] <intrader> glebihan, that was a marathon, thanks a million!
[06:07] <glebihan> intrader: you're welcome :)
[06:49] <glebihan> intrader: you're still there ?
[07:06] <intrader> Little glitches in the skype uI  - no tooltips in the title area
[07:07] <glebihan> intrader: skype for linux is still beta, there may be a few bugs
[07:07] <intrader> Or in other areas except for the currently opened contact. Is this the proper place. Glad to see you there glebihan!
[07:07] <glebihan> intrader: btw, wanted to let you know that I found out skype was in the partner repository
[07:08] <intrader> glebihan, and how do I find that?
[07:08] <glebihan> intrader: you can add this repository with the following command: sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ $(lsb_release -sc) partner"
[07:09] <glebihan> intrader: then after "sudo apt-get update" you'll find skype in your software manager
[07:11] <intrader> glebihan, do I need to reinstall?
[07:11] <glebihan> intrader: this will allow skype to be upgraded just as other software installed on your system
[07:11] <glebihan> intrader: no you can just check if there's an update available
[07:11] <intrader> glebihan, that is good
[07:14] <intrader> glebihan, and how do I do that?
[07:14] <glebihan> intrader: sudo apt-get upgrade
[07:14] <glebihan> intrader: after sudo apt-get update
[07:15] <glebihan> intrader: I mean first update then upgrade
[07:15] <intrader> glebihan, do I mention skype?
[07:16] <glebihan> intrader: no, this will install all available updates
[07:16] <intrader> glebihan, big update
[07:17] <glebihan> intrader: not surprising, updates are very frequent on beta (I personally upgrade 2 or 3 times a day)
[07:18] <intrader> glebihan, I am finding 10.10 much better - I wonder whether you saw bug 631130
[07:20] <glebihan> intrader: I did not see that bug report, but I did notice some great improvements with maverick
[07:21] <glebihan> intrader: in fact, it's the first time I've been able to run compiz without considerably slowing down my system
[07:21] <intrader> glebihan, yes I have noticed - I don't know whether I am running compiz; but the UI is much peppier and works as it should compared to 10.04
[07:23] <glebihan> intrader: if you did a default install, you're probably running compiz, you can check that in System->Preferences->Appearance
[07:23] <glebihan> intrader: if the effects are enabled, you're running compiz
[07:23] <intrader> glebihan, by the way, last night I tried openSolaris on this same box and it ran very well. So 10.10 is keeping up!
[07:24] <rxd> is lzma kernel support on 10.10?
[07:25] <intrader> glebihan, once 10.10 is out I will upgrade all my boxes (laptops galore)
[07:26] <intrader> glebihan, how do I enable compiz?
[07:27] <glebihan> intrader: did you check in System->Preferences->Appearance ?
[07:27] <intrader> glebihan, this is a very old laptop (dell inspiron 8200 with nvidia)
[07:27] <glebihan> rxd: looks like it is supported
[07:28] <glebihan> intrader: should still  be working
[07:28] <glebihan> intrader: you can give it a try and see
[07:28] <intrader> glebihan, for now 'none' - should I try?
[07:29] <glebihan> intrader: try Normal in a first time, if it works you can try Extra although it will use more resources
[07:29] <rxd> glebihan: nice, so we get smaller sizes of squashfs
[07:31] <intrader> glebihan, it went pretty bad including moving the terminal's location on the screen!
[07:31] <glebihan> intrader: well that can happen when switching window manager
[07:32] <intrader> glebihan, I will try the 'normal' mode once the upgrade is over. I understand - a little.
[07:33] <glebihan> intrader: anyhow, compiz is not that useful, it's just adding some effects
[07:33] <glebihan> intrader: I noticed it was working now, but I still switched back to metacity :)
[07:34] <intrader> glebihan, I think I will try 'normal', but 'none' is fine for me.
[07:40] <kishon> I get this error in the boot "request_module: runaway loop modprobe binfmt-464ci" and my board stops booting.. any pointers??
[07:42] <intrader> glebihan, I wonder how long will this last - still going, going ...
[07:42] <glebihan> intrader: what is ?
[07:43] <intrader> glebihan, the upgrade
[07:44] <glebihan> intrader: oh if you haven't run it recently, it can take some time...
[07:45] <glebihan> intrader: did you see how many packages were to be upgraded ?
[07:47] <intrader> glebihan, no I did not notice - it must be everything
[07:47] <glebihan> intrader: It's never everything, but it can be hundreds (even thousands) of packages...
[07:48] <glebihan> intrader: even by running upgrades several times a day, I sometimes happen to get about 100 updates at once...
[07:48] <intrader> glebihan, it may take the rest of the night
[07:49] <intrader> glebihan, amazing process - how to they keep this sane?
[07:50] <glebihan> intrader: well this is due to the fact that we're very close to the final release, and they do not always keep it sane, some upgrades bring errors or broken packages, but they usually are fixed very quickly
[07:51] <intrader> glebihan, running 93 root tasks/daemons - is this normal?
[07:52] <glebihan> intrader: well yes, not surprising
[07:53] <intrader> glebihan, I did the count on the 10.04 (was 83), looking for a keylogger I have on the 10.04.
[07:55] <glebihan> intrader: I have 123 here...
[07:56] <intrader> glebihan, lots of errors can't open picbuf loader for many modules. Hopefully no harm
[07:57] <glebihan> intrader: this shouldn't be a major issue
[07:58] <intrader> glebihan, continuing - including setup of grub
[08:09] <intrader> glebihan, done --seems ok
[08:14] <intrader> glebihan, it seems Ok after reboot.
[08:14] <glebihan> intrader: nice :)
[08:14] <intrader> glebihan, thanks to your help!
[08:14] <glebihan> intrader: you're welcome
[08:53] <rxd> glebihan: no lzma kernel support yet on 10.10
[08:57] <glebihan> rxd: maybe I'm mistaking, but this looks like it:https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/lzma
[09:00] <rxd> glebihan: found the squashfs-tools for lzma ver 4 and try making 2 squashfs one using gzip and one using lzma...i can't mount the lzma squashfs so meaning no lzma support yet
[09:01] <rxd> lzma it ok we can make it but i was thinking maybe modules for the  kernel already included
[09:02] <glebihan> rxd: sorry won't be able to help you further since I don't use it, maybe you could trying asking a question on the page I sent you or contacting one of the projects' admin
[09:03] <rxd> glebihan: ok thank u
[09:11] <kishon>  I get this error in the boot "request_module: runaway loop modprobe binfmt-464ci" and my board stops booting.. any pointers??
[09:27] <KarenPalen> Has anyone addressed the compiz bug about pointers? I am really tired of using a "default" pointer" for SOME things ...
[09:28] <KarenPalen> Yes I know how to work around it, but a real fix would really be nice!
[09:29] <kishon>  I get this error in the boot "request_module: runaway loop modprobe binfmt-464ci" and my board stops booting.. any pointers??
[09:37] <piquadrat> Hi! Does Inkscape crash on startup for someone else since this morning?
[10:20] <bobthemilkman> I'm running 10.10, and a few days ago apt-get upgrade told me I had several hundred updates (up from 0 the previous day), including firefox.  Now my firefox installation is quite strange. There's menu items that are blank, and several of my add-ons quit working.  Is this typical behavior?  How should I fix this?  I already tried removing and installing firefox, but not purging and installing.
[10:20] <bobthemilkman> I'd prefer to keep many of my settings.
[10:21] <bobthemilkman> About says the current version is 3.6.10, I thought I had 3.6.x before that, but I'm not sure.
[10:35] <Koterpillar> Are there any working Broadcom WiFi drivers in Maverick?
[11:52] <yofel> bobthemilkman: that shouldn't break usually.. and what do you mean by 'blank'? no text shown? firefox works fine here by the way. Also, you could try to purge and reinstall firefox, a purge will not erase the settings in ~/.mozilla
[12:18] <bobthemilkman> Okay, I purged and reinstalled, but I still have the problem, and yes, I mean blank as in no text shown.  Let me attach a screenshot.
[12:19] <bobthemilkman> Okay, evidently the screenshot tool won't work when I have menus open o.O
[12:20] <glebihan> bobthemilkman: you can delay the screenshot if you use it from Applicatoins->Accessories
[12:21] <bobthemilkman> I got it via a sleep 5; gnome-screenshot command.
[12:22] <bobthemilkman> Of course, now in an unrelated issue, nautilus won't open, making it difficult to upload said screenshot... o.O
[12:23] <glebihan> bobthemilkman: install pastebinit, and run pastebinit /path/to/file
[12:23] <bobthemilkman> Oh man, when did ubuntu get that tool?
[12:23] <bobthemilkman> I had been searching all over for an ubuntu version of wgetpaste (gentoo version of similar tool).
[12:24] <glebihan> bobthemilkman: I don't know, but I think it's been some time already
[12:24] <bobthemilkman> It doesn't have an image mode :(
[12:24] <bobthemilkman> http://pastebin.com/DjVSYMpE
[12:24] <bobthemilkman> However, you can download and save it as a .png.
[12:26] <glebihan> bobthemilkman: yes got it, looks like it's menu items from extensions which are missing
[12:26] <bobthemilkman> Oh!
[12:26] <bobthemilkman> That could be it!
[12:27] <bobthemilkman> Some of my extensions weren't working properly at all!
[12:27] <bobthemilkman> And come to think of it, I think these other missing ones were also from extensions!
[12:27] <glebihan> bobthemilkman: I confirm, just checked you have all default firefox menu items
[12:29] <bobthemilkman> Can you check that the tools menu default is ..., Error Console, Page Info, ...?
[12:29] <glebihan> bobthemilkman: yes it is
[12:30] <bobthemilkman> Okay, there's only a few other missing ones, so I think that'll be fine.
[12:30] <bobthemilkman> But it's strange that firefox didn't give me an error or warning saying that my addons were incompatible with the current version, and that it also isn't displaying any sort of updated version.
[12:31] <glebihan> bobthemilkman: yes something must have gone wrong at some point, maybe you should try reinstalling your extensions
[12:34] <BigWhale> Greetings
[12:35] <BigWhale> Are there any trouble with 10.10 LiveCD and lvm? pvscan is telling me that there are no volumes to be found
[12:35] <BigWhale> but fdisk -lu lists all the drives and all the partitions as it should...
[12:35] <bobthemilkman> glebihan: Okay, I uninstalled and reinstalled one, but it's menu entries are still missing.... Perhaps I should be asking in #mozilla instead of here...
[12:36] <glebihan> bobthemilkman: probably yes
[12:37] <glebihan> bobthemilkman: just an idea, this could be related to locale issues
[12:37] <bobthemilkman> Oh!
[12:37] <bobthemilkman> That might be it!
[12:38] <bobthemilkman> I think I removed en_GB!
[12:38] <maxb> I'm experiencing some very off behaviour with maverick - occasionally my computer becomes really slow, and the gnome panel applet says something is eating massive amounts of *system* CPU time
[12:39] <glebihan> maxb: do you know which process is causing this ? if not, use "top" to find out
[12:39] <maxb> It's no process at all, it's something in-kernel
[12:40] <glebihan> maxb: everything that runs is a process
[12:40] <maxb> This time I tried hitting an assortment of logging magic sysrqs, and vt-switching to a text vt. The box hung. I pressed the powerOff magic sysrq, and it eventually happened about a minute later
[12:40] <maxb> glebihan: Well, it's something top can't see
[13:01] <bobthemilkman> Okay, I managed to solve the problem by running rm -rf ~/.mozilla/firefox/(profilename)/*, and then copying %APPDATA%\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\ix3bu8qu.default\* over from a windows virtual machine which had almost all the same addons installed.
[13:04] <bobthemilkman> Also, evidently flashplugin-nonfree no longer works.
[13:10] <TiK> does anyone in here use rythmbox?
[13:10] <TiK> it seems broken to me
[13:11] <glebihan> TiK: what's the issue ?
[13:12] <TiK> ok
[13:12] <TiK> well
[13:12] <TiK> I had all my mom's music backed up
[13:12] <TiK> so I loaded a VM and reset the ipod
[13:12] <TiK> and added all the music back into it
[13:13] <TiK> closed rythmbox
[13:13] <TiK> opened it back up
[13:13] <TiK> nothing added
[13:13] <TiK> BUT
[13:13] <TiK> the files (music) can be acessed
[13:13] <TiK> and were added
[13:13] <TiK> if you open them up and chose one out of the folders
[13:14] <TiK> they show up as "other" under advanced
[13:14] <bazhang> !enter
[13:14] <glebihan> TiK: sorry, have no experience with iPod
[13:14] <TiK> I love the enter key :)
[13:15] <TiK> Ipods are shitty I'd never buy one
[13:15] <TiK> itunes is buggy in a VM and fluppes crashes
[13:17] <TiK> maybe Ill do itwith rythmbox in 10.04 :/ in a VM
[13:18] <bazhang> TiK, language please
[13:19] <TiK> yayayay
[13:19] <TiK> babies
[13:20] <flexxxv> hy, I have a strange prob with the x server. I can't force it to use 100Hz with the nvidia drivers. It just seems like my xorg gets ignored partly. any idea on how to solve?
[13:20] <flexxxv> I mean I cant force it to use 100 hz on startup
[13:20] <flexxxv> I can change as user at any time
[14:00] <ubuntu_user> hello, I got a problem with Xubuntu 10.10 beta installation, I gone thru the process of choosing language, partitions, username etc. and it started to install things but now the installer is stalled with text "removing conflicting operating system files" how to know if it's done or how to unstall it?
[14:00] <ubuntu_user> I also restarted and done the process from start but it also stalled and now I'm in live cd without a system, please help
[14:02] <ubuntu_user> there isn't any disk activity nor dvdrom :(
[14:06] <ubuntu_user> this is the state of my installation: http://tinyurl.com/2we6ech
[14:06] <ubuntu_user> is it done?
[14:07] <SaRy> ubuntu_user, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCKnownIssues
[14:07] <ubuntu_user> I got AMD machine
[14:07] <ubuntu_user> not powerpc
[14:07] <StrontiumDog> I installed Maverick beta from an alternate image on a USB stick everything seemed to go ok,  Now when I boot all i get is a test prompt and no network.  If I force network and start x I get "DBus.Error.FileNotFound"  any ideas cause I cant find anything???
[14:08] <StrontiumDog> **test should be text
[14:09] <StrontiumDog> I get the DBus error when I try and run "System Administration Additional Drivers"
[14:20] <SaRy> are you trying it via wubi ..
[14:47] <elitrou> hi guys. can anyone help me to set up broadband connection?
[14:47] <patdk-wk> sure, plug the wires in, plug in the power, turn on pc :)
[14:48] <elitrou> hmm, i meant the mobile broadband:)
[14:48] <patdk-wk> what adaptor?
[14:48] <elitrou> bandluxe C278, USB
[14:49] <elitrou> i've tried both KnetworkManager and the new widget
[14:50] <elitrou> thought about trying command line script to find out the problem, cause GUI applications doesn't provide any error info
[14:54] <patdk-wk> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1466341
[14:55] <patdk-wk> sounds like it is one of them cdrom on device things, so you have to unmount the cdrom first to make it work
[14:56] <neurochrome> Am I missing something?  just installed 10.10 via USB and there was nowhere to select the host name during the installer (which is pretty crap at the moment)... Not that impressed with the re-design...  Anyway criticism aside, where is the host name selection?  Has it been removed for 'user-friendliness'?!
[14:57]  * neurochrome is sick to death of this drive towards 'user-friendliness' that in actual fact makes your life harder
[14:58] <charlie-tca> neurochrome: I believe it has, on the desktop image. You can still select it on the alternate images, though
[14:59] <charlie-tca> neurochrome: the belief seems to be if you use the alternate image, choice is good. If you use the Desktop image, keep it as simple as possible.
[15:01] <neurochrome> charlie-tca, There's a reason I'm still using Jaunty...  I'll give Maverick a chance, but Arch is fast becoming my prime alternative to Canonical's insanity.
[15:02] <charlie-tca> Why not just use the alternate cd to install? If you are using Arch, you have the knowledge.
[15:03] <neurochrome> charlie-tca, I guess in future I'll have to.   Ubuntu is simplicity, for those who need it
[15:04] <patdk-wk> but a more, less questions the better
[15:05] <Ken8521> why on earth is the number pad disabled by default?.. that is freakin STUPID
[15:05] <patdk-wk> mine isn't :)
[15:05] <Ken8521> does anyone use the numberpad to control the cursor?
[15:05] <Ken8521> patdk-wk, well it was on two of my machines.
[15:05] <neurochrome> The design team are morons though.  that home button is garish, and someone' obviously just got out of design school (ooh, look at that lovely web2.0 shiny button)  The green message icon is also rank.  The lack of user-input is a worrying development
[15:05] <Ken8521> it was killing me yesterday, i wa trying to play urban terror, the numlock key was on, and i couldn't use the numberpad..lol
[15:06] <neurochrome> don't like the new calculator design either... Minimal is better for me
[15:07] <charlie-tca> You have read this, right? http://design.canonical.com/2010/06/when-new-users-first-encounter-ubuntu-5-show-stoppers/
[15:07] <Ken8521> the new calculator doesn't bother me to bad
[15:07] <neurochrome> patdk-wk, you're wrong.  The installer hung on a low-end ION chipset machine because of the oh-so-clever installation in the background.  That is not user friendly and would put me off if I was a new user straight away
[15:07] <alvin> lol, it's true: bug 628087
[15:08] <neurochrome> asking the machines name is important, if people have multiple machines they want to be able to distinguish between them on the network
[15:09] <Ken8521> neurochrome, i agree, i like that feature a lot.
[15:09] <neurochrome> if 'Jim' has two desktops and install Maverick on both of them, they are both called 'Jim-Desktop' on the network... This is EPIC FAIL
[15:09] <alvin> I never considerd that a feature, but a necessity :-)
[15:09] <patdk-wk> neurochrome, I have no idea how what you said related to anything I said being wrong
[15:09] <neurochrome> alvin, exactly
[15:10] <neurochrome> patdk-wk, you said less quesitons the better... this is a NECESSARY question
[15:10] <neurochrome> removing it is just dumb
[15:10] <neurochrome> but then again, Ubuntu appears to be aiming itself towards idiots, not 'human-beings', anymore
[15:10] <popey> that bug was fixed over a week ago
[15:11] <neurochrome> I've been a loyal fan for a long time, and have seen many stupid moves, every release there is more to be said for the bad than the good.. this is not a good trend
[15:11] <neurochrome> popey, that is something at least
[15:11] <jbroome> neurochrome: it has always been that way
[15:12] <neurochrome> jbroome, I wish I could keep Jaunty... So sad it is being buried... 8/
[15:13] <Ken8521> neurochrome, why can't you keep it?
[15:13] <neurochrome> Ken8521, It won't receive updates after a few weeks
[15:13] <Ken8521> oh thats right, it's about EOL.
[15:13] <neurochrome> no more security-updates, etc
[15:13] <neurochrome> yeah
[15:14] <neurochrome> I run the latest release of Ubuntu alongside XBMC on both my Revo's... But my laptop will likely see Arch, given that Ubuntu is becoming unruly
[15:14] <popey> well, you have two choices, go back to 8.04 or forward to 9.10
[15:15] <neurochrome> It has some nice features, and the latest software - always a bonus, but the design and direction is getting tiresome
[15:15] <popey> well, or leave and use something else :)
[15:15] <neurochrome> 8.04 sucked ass
[15:15] <neurochrome> 9.10 was ok
[15:15] <Ken8521> yes it did... 8.04 was awful
[15:15] <neurochrome> 10.04 was ok
[15:15] <neurochrome> feisty and gutsy were GREAT
[15:15] <neurochrome> v fast too
[15:15] <popey> I am liking 10.10
[15:16] <Ken8521> i heard a lot of complaints about 9.04.. not sure why.. jaunty worked well for me.
[15:16] <Ken8521> 8.10.. i don't know if it was good, or if I was just thrilled not to be using 8.04 anymore
[15:16] <patdk-wk> I had lots of issues with jaunty
[15:16] <Ken8521> jaunty worked quite well for me.
[15:17] <Ken8521> actually, the last distro i really had problems w/, was Gutsy, but it was just a lot of configuring, etc... 8.04, was just dreadfully slow.
[15:17] <patdk-wk> I stopped upgrading most of my machines at 8.04
[15:18] <patdk-wk> cause they are running xen
[15:18] <patdk-wk> the non-xen machines are all running lucid
[15:18] <popey> the only issue I had was the release that had a crappy intel driver
[15:18] <patdk-wk> heh, intel wireless driver in karmic trashed ext3 on my laptop on every install
[15:19] <patdk-wk> I had to disable the wireless in the bios, install, install backport modules, then turn it on
[15:19]  * patdk-wk thinks he is way off topic of 10.10
[15:20] <Ken8521> how did the wireless driver trash ext3?
[15:20] <Ken8521> i use atheros... so i dunno
[15:20] <patdk-wk> I would like to know :)
[15:20] <patdk-wk> but during the install, the root partition would go into readonly mode
[15:20] <neurochrome> 8.04 was slow and buggy... 9.04 was perfect on my hardware.... the vast majority of complaints was with hardware... not the performance
[15:20] <patdk-wk> doing a check, fsck said it was pretty well trashed
[15:21] <patdk-wk> happened on 3 installs, before  Ifigured out it was the wireless doing it
[15:22] <patdk-wk> laptop was a year old at that time, been working fine with 8.10 and 9.04, did a badblock scan on the drive, it was good
[15:22] <patdk-wk> Did an install without wifi, turned wifi on after install, trashed
[15:23] <Ken8521> hmm
[15:25] <patdk-wk> karmic x64 on a lenovo sl500 laptop with intel 5100 wifi
[15:25] <patdk-wk> I'm pretty sure I had filed a bug report
[15:26] <neurochrome> patdk-wk, so lucid was a blessing for you then?!
[15:26] <patdk-wk> karmic was fine for me
[15:26] <patdk-wk> just installation issues, after that it was good
[15:27] <neurochrome> I guess the best thing for Ubuntu, for me at least, would be to make things friendly for new users, but to adopt rolling release, meaning I could customise without having to go to a new stupider install 6 months down the line
[15:27] <patdk-wk> lucid is just lots of video card issues
[15:28] <neurochrome> and maverick?   what are the problems there, other than horrible design.... (and that wallpaper! hahahahaha what a fucking joke)
[15:28] <patdk-wk> maverick isn't released yet, so I can't say :)
[15:28] <patdk-wk> so far my issues with maverick have been fixed before release
[15:29] <patdk-wk> but this is also the first time (before beta) that I have used ubuntu trials
[15:29] <Ken8521> ubuntu wallpapers always suck.
[15:29] <Ken8521> so do their default themes
[15:29] <noeljb> with maverick?  fingerprint auth is broken for sudo; brasero is broken (upstream), period; various other things.  unfortunately, brasero is also badly broken in lucid as well.
[15:29] <patdk-wk> I hardly ever install, but just upgrade, so I don't notice
[15:29] <neurochrome> Ken8521, au contrare... fiesty, gutsy, interpid, jaunty all had great wallpapers
[15:29] <patdk-wk> only do installs of ubuntu-server, and no wallpapers or themes on them
[15:29] <Ken8521> i never upgrade, just clean install.
[15:30] <Ken8521> neurochrome, oh i disagree...
[15:30] <androidbruce> i just save my /home
[15:30] <androidbruce> and reinstall
[15:30] <Ken8521> i've been using this one, and i like it a lot.. http://gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-files/70560-Xuks.jpg
[15:30] <Ken8521> i don't even save my /home... i just nuke
[15:30] <patdk-wk> I have way too many things I would have to customize and fix to do that
[15:30] <patdk-wk> craploads of stuff in /etc and /usr/share and other places
[15:30] <neurochrome> Rolling release is not an upgrade.. it is constant updates to latest... not as drastic
[15:31] <Ken8521> i keep a "configuration file".. and when I set a program exactly how I want it, i note in that file the options I set... then it goes w/ my backups... when I reinstall, I open that confiruation file, and just run through it and set everything how i want it.. takes me about 25mn,.
[15:31] <noeljb> if you don't like the default wallpaper, change it.
[15:31] <neurochrome> I do
[15:31] <Ken8521> noeljb, i don't think there was a discussion that it couldn't be changed
[15:31] <Ken8521> i just said the default ones suck
[15:31] <Ken8521> always have
[15:31] <androidbruce> Ken8521, default anything alwasy sucks
[15:32] <androidbruce> in most aspects of life
[15:32] <Ken8521> androidbruce, mst of the time, you're right
[15:32] <Ken8521> thank goodness for gnome-look
[15:32] <androidbruce> except for Android, Vanilla AOSP FTW
 if "sucks" means it isn't to your taste, someone will always think that it sucks.
[15:33] <Ken8521> noeljb, exactly
[15:33] <androidbruce> truth
[15:33] <androidbruce> whoa! no updates this am
[15:33] <androidbruce> weird
[15:33] <Ken8521> it's kinda like gnome vs kde vs xfce vs e17 vs openbox vs e17 vs.. on and on
[15:33]  * patdk-wk doesn't like stock android
[15:33] <androidbruce> feels like a release is on it's way, oh wait....:)
[15:33] <Ken8521> it's all gonna be up to the user
[15:34] <androidbruce> patdk-wk, say what? well i mean adw launcher but otherwise stock
[15:34] <Ken8521> i'm just glad we don't get stuck w/ a GUI because some nerd says its best.. we have our choice of a wide variety of desktop GUI's, or if you're so inclined, write your own
[15:34] <noeljb> I use both kde and gnome.  generally gnome.  kde isn't as well supported in terms of integration, which is a bit of a shame, because too many of the gnome apps suffer in comparison to kde's.
[15:34] <Ken8521> i can't bear to use KDE>.. i'd rather use windows.
[15:34] <androidbruce> noeljb, as far as asthetics or functionality?
[15:35] <patdk-wk> I hate android stock email, sms
[15:35] <Ken8521> functionality, i've not found KDE to be any better/worse than Gnome.. maybe a tad slower... but for the most part, just as capable, but OMG is it ugly
[15:35] <noeljb> androidbruce, functionality.  I'm getting rather tired of seeing critical defects.
[15:36] <androidbruce> i have only used kde for a small period of time, i just found it to be uber heavy
[15:36] <neurochrome> KDE is slow, but it has awesome tools, and is far better looking than anything the Ubuntu design toeam knock out
[15:36] <neurochrome> s/toeam/team
[15:36] <noeljb> although at the moment, vinagre is OK; brasero has been badly broken since 2.30.
[15:37] <neurochrome> brasero is shocking at the moment... I hope vinagre works with compiz now... 8/
[15:37] <noeljb> I've had to take extra steps to ensure against data loss, when it works at all.
[15:37] <Ken8521> brasero is one of the first apps i nuke after a clean install... why they've not replaced it w/ Gnomebaker, I'll never know
[15:37] <neurochrome> then there is k3b.. which is better than anything gnome has to offer....
[15:37] <alvin> K3B is working fine :-) It even reports my cd drive to be capable of burning at a whopping 700x
[15:38] <neurochrome> Burn is coming to linux though... that'll be swell
[15:38] <Ken8521> neurochrome, k3b is fine.. it's actually one of the few KDE apps i like.
[15:38] <Ken8521> neurochrome, what is Burn?
[15:38] <noeljb> I've got two current critical bugs open against it.  One, it silently drops part of the directory tree; two, it generates corrupt ISO images.
[15:38] <neurochrome> A mac app...
[15:38] <Ken8521> oh
[15:38] <neurochrome> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/06/os-x-burning-tool-%E2%80%98burn%E2%80%99-coming-to-linux/
[15:39] <neurochrome> should be good
[15:40] <Ken8521> looks good, but gnomebaker/k3b work fine for me... iw ouldn't go to some extraordinary efforts to install Burn(ie, compile it)
[15:40] <neurochrome> anyway going to go and try and sort Maverick out.... wish me luck... I may dislike canonical even more by the end of the day...
[15:40] <noeljb> Ken8521, does brasero have anything that gnomebaker doesn't?  (other than bugs)?
[15:40] <Ken8521> other than it works?... i don't think so.
[15:40] <neurochrome> Burn will get a native port and a binary at some point
[15:41] <noeljb> I'll give GnomeBaker a look.
[15:42] <Ken8521> noeljb, its actually pretty good.. has a nice, clean look to it... like i said.. Brasero is usually one of the first 2-3 apps i nuke on a clean install, and Gnomebaker goes in its place
[15:44] <Ken8521> noeljb, u ever use the nero4linux app?
[15:44] <noeljb> what are the other 2?  I generally keep most things, and install what I want (e.g., I keep vi around, but install emacs)
[15:45] <noeljb> nope, haven't seen nero4linux
[15:45] <Ken8521> oh there's a few apps I remove cuz i don't need them.... Pitivi I have no use for, i used to always remove F-spot, now I remove Shotwell... i have no use for photo management software, i also nuke empathy and evolution
[15:46] <Ken8521> then i install, vlc, audacious, easytag, frostwire, skype, gimp, gnomebaker, opera, xchat, and google earth
[15:46] <Ken8521> after i update a new install, i do that all in one shot, and it doesn't take long at all.
[15:47] <Ken8521> frostwire usually takes the longest, cuz i have to install java w/ it.
[15:48] <Ken8521> i also install some remote desktop stuff so i can use vnc.
[15:49] <noeljb> Ken8521, the only non-free app I install is VMware.
[15:49] <Ken8521> yeah,, i have vbox (non-free) also... forgot about that
[15:49] <noeljb> pitivi is piti-full.  I use kdevlive at the moment, but the NLE wars are still early skirmishes.
[15:50] <Ken8521> i need the non-free version cuz i need usb support
[15:50] <Ken8521> speaking of remote desktop.. have you guys tried the free Linux version of teamviewer?
[15:50] <Ken8521> if you have family that is computer stupid, and needs help a lot.. it is awesome... no router configuration needed, etc
[15:51] <Ken8521> just talk them through downloading and installing it.
[15:51] <Ken8521> it's free for non-enterprise stuff.
[15:52] <Ken8521> i use it in case i'm helping someone who's to braindead to open ports on their router
[15:52] <Ken8521> and it works perfect
[15:54] <noeljb> Well, I installed GB, running it, create new data dvd, browse to directory containing files I want, clicked add files, and the entire windows has gone gray while it pounds my HD.  Not overly impressed with the dead UI during scanning.
[15:54] <Ken8521> noeljb, strange... i never have problems w/ it
[15:54] <Ken8521> i guess the other option is k3b, if you don't mind KDE dependencies
[15:55] <noeljb> well, I added 4.5GB in one shot.  And it does appear to have it.
[15:57] <Ken8521> noeljb, have you ever tried teamviewer?
[15:57] <Ken8521> i don't know how handy it would be for you, but considering i'm the nerd for family that is spread out across the state, it's handy
[15:58] <noeljb> Ken8521, GB can't make a .ISO file??  Can only burn to a device?
[15:59] <Ken8521> sure it can
[15:59] <Ken8521> oh wait, make an ISO?..
[15:59] <noeljb> yes, write to a .ISO file.
[15:59] <Ken8521> i always use DD for that
[16:00] <noeljb> I want to make a .ISO from files on my host OS.
[16:00] <Ken8521> yeah, use DD
[16:00] <noeljb> And that handles the proper format how?
[16:00] <Ken8521> not 100% usure, it just works.
[16:01] <Ken8521> i've ripped games to ISO w/ it before...
[16:03] <noeljb> Ah, you've RIPPED, which means from a formatted DVD to an ISO.  I need to put the ISO together.  And, yes, I could use the bear skins and bone knives approach, but would prefer to have a decent app.
[16:03] <Ken8521> yeah, sorry about that
[16:05] <Ken8521> noeljb, what about mkiso?
[16:05] <Ken8521> i always forget about that tool
[16:05] <noeljb> That falls into the " bear skins and bone knives" category.  :-)
[16:05] <Ken8521> lol
[16:06] <noeljb> see also  bear genisoimage.  same category.
[16:06] <Ken8521> never used that
[16:07] <noeljb> er, drop the "bear" in the above.  bad paste.
[16:07] <Ken8521> you would think there's a tool for that
[16:07] <noeljb> there is.  brasero is intended to be the front end.
[16:07] <Ken8521> ic, brasero just sucks.
[16:07] <noeljb> hmm ... let's see what rdepends shows.
[16:08] <Ken8521> noeljb, there's a tool called "isomaster" in the repos.. woud that work?
[16:08] <Ken8521> i'm installing it now
[16:13] <Daekdroom> !info isomaster
[16:13] <Ken8521> ah wait, it doesn't look like it creates iso's
[16:15] <Daekdroom> Ken8521, I wonder why it is called "isomaster" then o.o
[16:15] <Ken8521> Daekdroom, sure makes you wonder doesn't it?
[16:19] <Ken8521> i wonder if k3b does it?
[16:19] <Ken8521> that's a crapload of dependencies for 1 kde app though
[16:21] <Ken8521> !info graveman
[16:21] <Daekdroom> Ken8521, KDE apps require the whole KDE base to come along
[16:21] <Ken8521> Daekdroom, yeah, i know
[16:22] <Ken8521> it's still kinda irritating though
[16:22] <Ken8521> lol
[16:22] <Pici> Ken8521: I only see that package in dapper.
[16:23] <Ken8521> yea..
[16:25] <Ken8521> noeljb, if you don't mind installing KDE dependencies, K3b does exactly what you want it to do.. i just did it.
[16:25] <Ken8521> strange Gnomebaker doesn't have that capability.
[16:27] <Ken8521> hey wait, Gnomebaker does have that capability... noeljb what the heck are yout alking about?
[16:27] <Ken8521> lol
[16:27] <Ken8521> so just another reason to remove brasero...lol
[16:27] <noeljb> Ken8521, where?
[16:28] <noeljb> trying genisoimage -o ~/test.iso -RJ --iso-level 4 * for a test
[16:28] <noeljb> Ken8521, the option to burn DVD iso is to burn a DVD *from* an ISO.
[16:29] <Ken8521> noeljb, choose the type of media(data CD in my case)... add the files you want, then click Burn.. on the next window, it says "only create Image".. choose that, and choose where you want the ISo stored
[16:29] <Ken8521> i just created an ISO of some pictures.
[16:29] <noeljb> ah ... nice to hide that.  I'll look again.
[16:30] <Ken8521> yeah, i never noticed it efore either.. and i've used gnoembaker a long time..lol
[16:30] <Ken8521> and i just opened the iso w/ archive manager and extracted it, it seems to work fine
[16:31] <noeljb> I'll try it.  :-)
[16:32] <Ken8521> noeljb, i just created a small one to try it(about 50mb worth of pictures).. but it seems fine.
[16:33] <Ken8521> now to get all these KDE dependencies off my machine
[16:33] <Ken8521> lol
[16:35] <nemo> hm. so. our network here exposes both WEP and WPA for some odd reason
[16:35] <nemo> I never want to connect to WEP so I go to Network Connections, choose Edit
[16:35] <mrandrzejak> does anyone know where the software sources link has gone in maverick?
[16:35] <mrandrzejak> thanks
[16:35] <nemo> and uncheck "Connect Automatically"
[16:35] <nemo> but. the "apply" button stays grey.
[16:35] <nemo> lovely.
[16:35] <Ken8521> mrandrzejak, it's now in Ubuntu Software Center
[16:35] <Ken8521> nemo, lol.
[16:35] <nemo> in order to prevent that, I have to type in a bogus password
[16:36] <nemo> I just don't want to even get the password prompt
[16:36] <Ken8521> mrandrzejak, or you can use the repository tool in Synaptic.. same thing really
[16:37] <Ken8521> dang, software center is actually gonna have software available for purchase now.
[16:37] <mrandrzejak> thanks. this doesnt seem as user friendly anymore.
[16:37] <Ken8521> i hope they don't go the way of Linspire, and you have to pay for most of your apps
[16:38] <Ken8521> mrandrzejak, it is.. it's just a few things were moved around a bit.. thats all.
[16:38] <Ken8521> it took me a few minutes to find it to... but i usually just used the sources tool in synaptic, so it wasn't a big deal
[16:38] <mrandrzejak> in software center, i would have to go to installed software and then uninstall PPA if thats what im trying to do?
[16:39] <Ken8521> are you trying to uninstall it, or just remove the repository?
[16:39] <mrandrzejak> the reps in synaptic are much easier. thanks for that
[16:39] <Hukka> After upgrading to beta, my aptitude new spews a load of "Internal error: found 2 (choice -> promotion) mappings for a single choice" when solving broken packages
[16:39] <Hukka> Google doesn't really say what that error means
[16:40] <noeljb> Ken8521, gnomebaker #fail.  Can't handle directories deeper than 6.
[16:41] <noeljb> I'll uninstall it as useless now.
[16:41] <Ken8521> mrandrzejak, it's the same tool in software center... edit/software sources...and it's the same thing
[16:41] <Ken8521> noeljb, really?
[16:41] <Ken8521> i don't have directories that deep on my system, so this tool works fine.
[16:42] <noeljb> really.  it doesn't provide the correct options to genisoimage, assuming that compatibility with MS-Windows is of any interest.
[16:42] <Ken8521> ic
[16:42] <Ken8521> wel, considering i use windows about 2x a month.. compatibility w/ windows isn't a concern
[16:42] <mrandrzejak> ohh OK Ken8521 - thanks... thats easy too. i didnt see it
[16:43] <Ken8521> i like the "Featured" and "What's New" on software center
[16:43] <Ken8521> mrandrzejak, yeah, thats actually what i was talking about.. iw asn't really clear the first time i told you
[16:43] <mrandrzejak> no, my fault, i should have looked around
[16:43] <Ken8521> eh.. if thats the worst thing you do all day, you're still ok
[16:43] <Ken8521> lol
[16:44] <mrandrzejak> wished it never was moved! 5 years of it being in one place, and then its gone!
[16:44] <Ken8521> yeah, it shocked me to.. i was so used to it being there.. it was quite a shock when i didn't see it
[16:44] <Ken8521> mrandrzejak, lol.. actually i just looked you can add it there.. it's just not there by default
[16:45] <Ken8521> right click menu, edit menus, go down and highlight administration.. on the right, put a check next to software sources.
[16:46] <Ken8521> i'll tell you the one that kicked me in the junk, was the number pad controlling the mouse cursor by default(even w/ numlock on).. it took me a minute to figure that out.. i thought something was wrong w/ my keyboard, till i tested it in a virtual install of XP
[16:48] <Ayrton> I'm using ubuntu 10.10 (netbook) and the app Files & Folders not working very well...
[16:49] <luckysmack> i cant seem to activate dual monitors on my laptop. I have HP Pavillion dv7, with ATI HD Radeon 3400
[16:49] <Ken8521> Ayrton, there were a few people here complaining about a lot of problems w/ the NBR.
[16:49] <Ayrton> the all files show my download folder and my favorited folders, instead my homedir..
[16:49] <mrandrzejak> yah, its back. thanks!
[16:49] <Ken8521> luckysmack, still no luck w/ that?  you were hear yesterday weren't you
[16:50] <Ken8521> mrandrzejak, sometimes we just can't see the forest because we're blinded by the trees.
[16:50] <Ken8521> lol
[16:50] <Ayrton> Ken8521, someone is having trouble with the files & folders app?
[16:50] <Ken8521> Ayrton, i don't kno about that exactly, but yesterday there were several folks here complaining about NBR and having a lot of bugs/problems
[16:50] <Ken8521> Ayrton, did you upgrade or clean install?
[16:51] <Ayrton> Ken8521, clean install yeasterday and today I upgraded
[16:51] <Ken8521> ic
[16:51] <luckysmack> Ken8521: yea i was. i installed from scratch too. still no dice
[16:51] <Ayrton> yesterday I'm see a lot of bugs. But when I updated, just this is happening
[16:51] <Ayrton> all the other thinks is working good =]
[16:51] <Ken8521> luckysmack, hmm.
[16:52] <Ayrton> things*
[16:52] <Ken8521> Ayrton, i know yesterday, one person installed normal Gnome, and i think he said it was working fine
[16:52] <luckysmack> i can still do mirrored screens though
[16:52] <Ken8521> luckysmack, thats the strangest thing about your problem.. it would make mroe sense if one monitor worked, and the other didn't.. at least w/ mirrored screens, it's seeing the other monitor.
[16:53] <Ken8521> luckysmack, did you buy chance have a copy of your old xorg.conf?(from 10.04)...
[16:53] <Ken8521> i've been using the same xorg.conf since i think 9.04..lol
[16:53] <Ayrton> Ken8521, and you know who working in the developing of the Files & Folders app?
[16:53] <Ken8521> Ayrton, absolutely no cle.
[16:53] <Ken8521> lemme skype shuttleworth real quick and ask him
[16:53] <Ken8521> lol
[16:53] <luckysmack> Ken8521: i tried that yesterday and didnt work either
[16:54] <Oli```> Anybody with on the nvidia driver noticed that Mav is pretty sluggish with text operations? `gtkperf -a -c 1000` is taking 283 seconds (about 150 more than it should need)
[16:54] <Ken8521> luckysmack, i'm saying did you try it on the new install...
[16:54] <Ken8521> Oli```, uh no..lol
[16:55] <luckysmack> no i didnt. didnt even think to save the old xorg for the fresh install. skipped my mind. figures
[16:55] <Ken8521> yeha, well it's gone now.
[16:55] <Oli```> Ken8521: No you haven't noticed or no it shouldn't be going as fast as I think it should... Or something else?
[16:56] <Ken8521> no, i haven't noticed
[16:56] <luckysmack> yea i know.
[16:56] <Ken8521> luckysmack, depending on how adventurous you ant to be.
[16:56] <Ken8521> reinstall 10.04, set up the ati correctly
[16:56] <Ken8521> save your xorg.conf, then clean install 10.10
[16:56] <luckysmack> aww. lol
[16:56] <Ken8521> :)
[16:57] <Ken8521> i keep a backup of xorg.conf w/ my backups..... so i don't have to worry bout losing it
[16:58] <luckysmack> yea i should add it to my backup list. well i suppose you learn right.
[16:58] <luckysmack> but im sure there has to be a way to get it to work.
[16:58] <Ken8521> yup.. pretty much
[17:03] <nemo> yay. update-manager works fine when gksudo wrapped
[17:03] <nemo> DIE POLKIT DIE :)
[17:03] <Ken8521> nemo, why not just run sudo updgrade, sudo dist-upgrade?
[17:03] <Ken8521> no real reason to wrap it in gksudo, unless you just want to.
[17:03] <nemo> Ken8521: huh?
[17:04] <nemo> Ken8521: I'm talking about the update-manager gui. obviously I could do everything from the commandline
[17:04] <Ken8521> nemo, i take it you were having problems w/ update manager... well, just open a terminal and run sudo apt-get upgrade and or sudo apt-get dist-upgrade.. and it will bring you current
[17:04] <Ken8521> oh ok.
[17:04] <nemo> Ken8521: I don't have problems w/ update-manager
[17:04] <nemo> I have problems w/ polkit
[17:04] <nemo> which sucks in horrible ways
[17:04] <Ken8521> ahh.. ok.
[17:04] <Ken8521> what is polkit
[17:04] <Ken8521> !info polkit
[17:05] <nemo> Ken8521: an authentication module
[17:05] <Ken8521> oh ok.
[17:05] <nemo> used by update-manager, users and groups, network
[17:05] <nemo> its main skill is working badly with everything else
[17:05] <Ken8521> yeah, sometimes i think sticking w/ Debian would be easier
[17:05] <Ken8521> lol
[17:05] <nemo> doesn't work with nxserver, ssh -YC or fprint
[17:06] <nemo> so, no remote administration of polkit stuff, and no use of fingerprint swiping
[17:06] <nemo> Ken8521: debian uses polkit too, sometimes
[17:06] <nemo> I don't know for the same things
[17:06] <nemo> haven't used it in a long while
[17:06] <Ken8521> yeah, but Debian usually isn't as cranky as Ubuntu
[17:07] <nemo> hm. users-admin does *not* work w/ gksudo
[17:07] <nemo> crap
[17:07] <nemo> appears to just hang.
[17:07] <nemo> heh. hangs even if I abort on commandline
[17:07] <nemo> great.
[17:08] <nemo> had to sudo killall users-admin
[17:08] <nemo> let's try nm-connection-editor
[17:08] <nemo> hm.
[17:09] <nemo> might not be a good idea to wrap that one though since it does some stuff in local profile/keyring
[17:09] <nemo> and some stuff system-wide
[17:09] <Ken8521> yea
[17:09] <nemo> ah well.
[17:17] <bjsnider> Oli```, the beta driver that's in the x-updates ppa fixes that issue
[17:32] <Oli```> bjsnider: Cheers! I'd been installing the nvidia driver manually but slipped behind a release (I'm on 260.19.04 vs 260.19.06) so I'll give that a try. I'll stick to the PPA now. Seems easier than reinstalling every kernel update (assuming there's a dkms script bundled in)
[17:35] <Oli```> bjsnider: Hmm. What package do I actually want to install? The PPA talks about a mythical nvidia-graphics-drivers package but I can't find that.
[17:35] <Oli```> Or do I have to use jockey?
[17:36] <Oli```> nvidia-current!
[17:37] <Ken8521> is jockey even in maverick?
[17:38] <Ken8521> i thought it went away in like 9.04
[17:38] <Ken8521> or at least was being phased out
[17:38] <Oli```> I really just meant whatever the doobrie is that most people use to install non-free hardware drivers is. I haven't used it whatever it's called in at least a year
[17:42] <bjsnider> Oli``, we use jockey to install the driver.
[17:46] <Oli``> It didn't work for me. Tried to restart gdm and it just froze. Installed the latest driver directly from nvidia and it worked as expected. This might just be because I didn't do a full restart and the new kernel module wasn't loaded (understandable as I was in a live X session when I installed it). Hopefully future updates will work but it's not too much of a pain until then
[17:46] <Ken8521> Oli``, well i use the hardware driver mgr... it's always worked fine.
[17:46] <sunshinepants> is there a solution for enabling compiz with intel on 10.10?  looks like glx is absent after installing.. this is actually a hybrid notebook that has nvidia  and intel gpu's
[17:46] <Oli``> And gtkperf is back down to 58.03
[17:46] <Oli``> Thanks bjsnider
[17:51] <bjsnider> Oli``, it could be because the nvidia installer is not compatible with ubuntu, which is why we package them in official ppas like x-updates so people will not go out and pooch their systems by using the .run files
[17:52] <noeljb> bjsnider, does x-updates replace the vdpau ppa for nvidia updates now?
[17:53] <Oli``> bjsnider: I've been using them long before a PPA for them existed. Just a habit I got into as well as building my own kernels. Makes me feel geeky deep inside.
[17:55] <bjsnider> noeljb, for driver updates since lucid, it does
[17:55] <noeljb> bjsnider, good to know.
[17:55] <bjsnider> installing kernels does not destroy mesa files like the nvidia installer does. and nvidia recommends using distribution installers instead of their own
[17:56] <GA_Bull> so... Dropbox for Linux... much better than Dropbox for windows...
[17:56] <GA_Bull> or am I the only dropbox user here?
[17:57] <androidbruce|lap> GA_Bull, im with you
[17:57] <androidbruce|lap> i love Dropbox
[17:57] <GA_Bull> And it seems to be running fantastically on 10.10
[17:57] <androidbruce|lap> i also love UbuntuOne
[17:57] <androidbruce|lap> GA_Bull, runs well
[17:58] <androidbruce|lap> but the repos were borked
[17:58] <Ken8521> what is dropbox?
[17:58] <Ken8521> !info dropbox
[17:58] <androidbruce|lap> Ken8521, dropbox.com
[17:58] <Ken8521> oh ok.
[17:58] <Ken8521> i don't do online file backup
[17:59] <androidbruce|lap> Ken8521, its great for collaboration or working on multiple machines
[17:59] <GA_Bull> Ken, essentially, an online server to store files and such, however it connects in to your file folder. so it's essentially seamless integreation with your OS.
[17:59] <GA_Bull> and yea. I have it on all my comps and my phone so I always have my important files on every machine.
[17:59] <androidbruce|lap> GA_Bull, indeed Android Dropbox client is nice
[17:59] <GA_Bull> and collaboration is great with it cause it's so easy to get a public link.
[18:00] <androidbruce|lap> GA_Bull, yup
[18:00] <GA_Bull> I have blackberry, the application is pretty lacking, to the point that i just uninstalled it...
[18:00] <GA_Bull> I just use the mobile site.
[18:00] <androidbruce|lap> oh man im sorry, we need to get you an android device
[18:00] <GA_Bull> I want one, i'm just broke as crap :(
[18:00] <GA_Bull> Now if you happen to be looking to give one away, i'll take one :P
[18:00] <androidbruce|lap> GA_Bull, yeah what carrier?
[18:01] <GA_Bull> Verizon Wireless.
[18:01] <androidbruce|lap> ok, I bet i can get you a Droid1 for about 100-150
[18:01] <GA_Bull> hmm, maybeeee... pull up a private chat.
[18:01] <GA_Bull> ifn ya don't mind... don't wanna fill this board with unrelated stuff.
[18:20] <GA_Bull> Anybody know how to Remove a Desktop Running Environment on 10.10.
[18:21] <robin0800> GA_Bull: use system monitor
[18:21] <GA_Bull> robin0800, wow, didn't even think to check there. Thanks!
[18:24] <GA_Bull> robin0800, wait, how do I remove one from system mointor?
[18:25] <GA_Bull> It's not really a process, I just downloaded unity on top of 10.10 so I could select between them, and I want to get rid of unity all together.
[18:26] <robin0800> GA_Bull: use ubuntu software centre then
[18:26] <GA_Bull> Hmm, i'll try, I installed it through Terminal... so i'll see if it's there.
[18:26] <robin0800> GA_Bull: it will be
[18:27] <GA_Bull> ok.
[18:28] <BlaDe^> Hi guys, since upgrading my volume icon has disappeared from my tray -- any ideas how to get it back?
[18:28] <GA_Bull> BlaDe^ you can reset the panels to default and it will be there
[18:28] <GA_Bull> !panelreset
[18:28] <GA_Bull> BlaDe^ i've had that problem recently.
[18:28] <robin0800> GA_Bull: terminal uses apt so does the software centre and synaptic package manager as well
[18:29] <BlaDe^> I see, thanks
[18:29] <GA_Bull> np.
[18:29] <BlaDe^> yup it's back. thanks
[18:29] <GA_Bull> robin0800, yea, just didn't think bout that...
[18:30] <GA_Bull> BlaDe^, np.
[18:31] <GA_Bull> robin0800, thanks.
[18:33] <GA_Bull> I'm off... just updated, now restarting...
[18:38] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. Somehow grub died on one of my machines...  just a flashign cursor.. its not been updated in like a week+ booted it today. No Grub.  Since it aparently happened a week or so ago (update wise) its proberly not worth bug reporting is it?  Anyone else seen/heard of similer issues lately?
[18:40] <glebihan> Dr_Willis: you mean no grub or no grub menu ?
[18:41] <glebihan> Dr_Willis: it may be bug 641259
[18:41] <Dr_Willis> it dosent go to the grub menu. stops at a _ flashing. I booted a live cd. and chrooted/reinstalled grub. and it still did it..
[18:42] <Dr_Willis> I dident 'update' however.. i just chrooted in and reinstalled grub.
[18:42] <Dr_Willis> Guess i can chroot in and apt-get update/upgrade..
[18:43] <Dr_Willis> but its just a laptop. that  i was testing it on. I may just wait and do a clean reinstall when its released.
[18:44] <glebihan> Dr_Willis: the comments on the bug report are not very optimistic on the chances to get it fixed in time for the final release...
[18:45] <Dr_Willis> well it was working on this system fine for ages.. i then update/upgraded one day.. shut down.. then dident sart it back up till like a week later.
[18:46] <uvacav> any have issues with Atheros AR9285 wireless? My wireless runs slow (like a few kb/sec). I tried installing linux-backports-modules-wireless-maverick-generic but didnt help
[18:47] <Dr_Willis> night all...
[18:47] <glebihan> Dr_Willis: this matches the date of the report, September 17th, doesn't it ?
[18:48] <GA_Bull> Random question of the hour for yall... favorite compression tool?
[18:48] <GA_Bull> (I ask because I want a new one.
[18:48] <GA_Bull> )
[18:49] <domedagen> Anyone in here wants a HoN trail for the native client?
[18:49] <domedagen> Nope
[18:50] <domedagen> I'll try regular ubuntu then
[18:52] <Ken8521> compression tool?
[18:52] <Ken8521> never really needed one
[18:53] <Ken8521> uvacav, maybe try using ndiswrapper?
[18:55] <GA_Bull> Ken8521, I'm thinkin I'm just gonna stick to 7zip, it was my compression tool when I was running windows...
[18:55] <GA_Bull> Works well.
[18:56] <Ken8521> for some reason, my headphones aren't working
[18:56] <Ken8521> i thought ti was my earbuds, but just checked them, and thats not it.
[18:56] <uvacav> Ken8521: yeah thanks what i was about to work on, thanks for the suggestion
[18:57] <Ken8521> !bug 650863
[18:58] <Ken8521> i guess i'll try the fix...lol
[18:59] <Ken8521> brb, gonna see if that worked
[19:02] <Ken8521> well, that didn't work
[19:06] <Ken8521> !headphone
[19:06] <Ken8521> hmm
[19:06] <GA_Bull> !audioout
[19:07] <GA_Bull> welp... nothing there either. haha
[19:07] <Ken8521> lol
[19:07] <Ken8521> i can't understand what would be causing this.
[19:07] <GA_Bull> just drivers screwed up probably.
[19:07] <GA_Bull> I had that problem with ubuntu 8.
[19:07] <Ken8521> the sound works fine on the internal speakers, when i plug in headphones... internal speakers go off(so it detects it) but nothing comes through the earbud.
[19:08] <GA_Bull> Have you updated recently?
[19:09] <Ken8521> just about 5min ago
[19:09] <Ken8521> lol
[19:09] <GA_Bull> that may be it. lol.
[19:09] <GA_Bull> now i'm nervous my headphones aren't gonna work. I just updated too.
[19:10] <Ken8521> no, mine haven't worked since yesterday.. i thought it was my headphones that were bad, cuz my kitten got ahold of them...
[19:10] <Ken8521> so i switched to a new pair today, and still no joy
[19:10] <GA_Bull> :/
[19:10] <GA_Bull> hmm.
[19:10] <Ken8521> on another note.. anybod ever tried kitty burger? tastes like chicken
[19:11] <intrader_> Noticed that .sh files are not executable as they were in 10.04; also pharo.sh does nothing - should start pharo's vm, etc.
[19:12] <intrader_> I have made pharo.sh executable in the properties.
[19:12] <yofel> intrader_: where is the .sh? it needs the executable bit set
[19:13] <intrader_> yofel, good to see you here - the .sh is in my /home/Projects/Smalltalk/Pharo folder which I copied from back up (from 10.04)
[19:14] <yofel> ah, it might have lost the executable bit during the copy then
[19:15] <intrader_> yofel, yes - however it does nothing - just disappears; should start pharo (a Smalltalk variant)
[19:16] <Ken8521> allr ight fellas, i'm gonna play some urban terror..
[19:16] <Ken8521> back in a bit.
[19:16] <intrader_> yofel, is loosing the executable during copy normal, or is it something new in 10.10
[19:16] <yofel> intrader_: afaik it should keep it, but it did happen to me a few times
[19:17] <intrader_> yofel, and how did my nick gain '_' at end?
[19:18] <yofel> intrader_: you are there twice in this channel, as intrader_ and intrader, so the client choose intrader_ as intrader was already used
[19:19] <intrader_> yofel, yesterday I did not notice; used by whom?
[19:19] <yofel> intrader_: use '/whois intrader' and check the server tab
[19:20] <yofel> from what I see, used by you
[19:20] <yofel> got a client idling around somewhere else?
[19:22] <intrader_> yofel, how did you find out. and not that I know. However, the XChat of 10.04 may have left it around. I will restart that and clean up.
[19:23] <yofel> intrader_: I compared the /whois output of both nicks, and they  have the same host<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:24] <intrader_> yofel, thanks - as to the pharo.sh, is maverick the problem?
[19:25] <yofel> can't say, depends what the script does, maybe some other file is missing the executable bit too, does running the script in a terminal give an error?
[19:28] <intrader_> yofel, It looks like it has set Pharo.sh to uppercase - but it still says 'Pharo.sh: command not found'
[19:30] <yofel> is there a Pharo.sh somewhere?
[19:30] <yofel> filenames are case sensitive, so pharo.sh != Pharo.sh
[19:30] <intrader_> yofel, in the proper folder
[19:30] <yofel> odd
[19:31] <intrader_> yofel, from which I issue command - I have cd to the folder
[19:31] <yofel> and it calls the Pharo.sh properly and doesn't assume it's in the PATH?
[19:32] <intrader_> yofel, does it mean anything that file name is in green in terminal ls output?
[19:32] <yofel> it has the executable bit
[19:33] <intrader_> yofel, does it mean anything that file name is in green in terminal ls output; has three x's for all groups.
[19:34] <yofel> 'x' is the eXecutable bit, first is the owner, then the group, and then others
[19:35] <yofel> and files that are executable are shown green  in the colored ls output
[19:38] <intrader_> yofel, I will pastebin Pharo.sh http://paste.ubuntu.com/502777/
[19:39] <intrader> yofel, I quit the other XChar session - I am still here
[19:39] <yofel> good, just wanted to ask that :P
[19:40] <yofel> how are you calling the file btw.? If you are in the folder you have to call it with './Pharo.sh' or with the full path if it's not in $PATH
[19:40] <intrader> I simply 'Open' the file; or in the termnal, I type Pharo.sh
[19:41] <yofel> then try './Pharo.sh'
[19:41]  * yofel tries to understand why they use 'APP=`dirname $0`' o.O
[19:43] <intrader> yofel, I guess that says to set $APP to the current folder
[19:43] <yofel> does 'Contents/Linux686/squeak' have executable permissions
[19:44] <yofel> right, was confused as I tried it in the terminal, but it only makes sense in scripts
[19:46] <intrader> yofel, the executable bit is off in squeak within Linux686 - I think that this is regression for 10.10
[19:47] <yofel> I would blame the copy, however that happened
[19:48] <intrader> yofel, I did the copy from the context menu of the folder I had the pharo in.
[19:48] <yofel> ah, no idea how nautilus handels copies, but it should preserve permissions..
[19:50] <intrader> yofel, I will startup the backup and see what's the problem
[19:54] <intrader> yofel, the Pharo.sh does not have the executable bit in the backup - neither does squeak have it. It must have been 10.04 when I backed up.
[19:55] <intrader> yofel, I did the backup by copy and paste in the 10.04
[19:56] <yofel> probably messed up then, don't ask me why that happened though
[19:56] <intrader> yofel, I don't think that it is the 10.10
[19:57] <yofel> if the backup is missing the permissions, then it's defenitely not maverick
[19:57] <intrader> yofel, right you are
[20:03] <shcherbak> what font is used for new ubuntu?
[20:03] <Pici> shcherbak: Check the topic
[20:04] <shcherbak> Pici, and?
[20:04] <Pici> shcherbak: It specifically mentions the font.
[20:05] <intrader> yofel, I checked in a thumbdrive - the executable bit is not on on either Pharo.sh or squeak. Notice that is uses the command EXEC to execute it.
[20:07] <intrader> yofel, I will boot up another laptop with 9.04 and see whether the version on the thumbdrive works
[20:15] <intrader> yofel, on 9.04, the context menu offers 'Open' as if Pharo.sh was executable. This is definitely different in 10.10. The pharo IDE starts normally on the 9.04 box.
[20:15] <yofel> you're not using a FAT formatted usb stick by chance?
[20:16] <intrader> yofel, perhaps in both the thumdrive and the NDAS backup, why?
[20:17] <shcherbak> Pici, have asked for name of font used in new ubuntu logo, one name of one file, do not need to read whole dev and designg papers
[20:18] <Pici> shcherbak: I'm sorry, most people ask what it is and then where they can get it.
[20:18] <yofel> because the default vfat mount options have changed in gnome (more specific: 'showexec' was added) - now only .EXE .BAT and .COM are executable, other's are not
[20:19] <yofel> isn't there a 'ttf-ubuntu-font-family' package in the archive now? (not sure what it contains though)
[20:19] <intrader> yofel, and also .sh files - shell files will not work!
[20:21] <yofel> intrader: well, the reason Is probably that .sh isn't a windows executable format, we had complaints about shell, pyhton, perl, whatever scripts not working anymore
[20:21] <yofel> you can open a textfile without being asked if you want to execute it in nautilus now though
[20:21] <intrader> yofel, why would they want to have .EXE, .BAT, and .COM files as executable?  I could construct a .COM or .EXE that would execute in linux!
[20:23] <yofel> well, take it up with the person that did the change in udisks
[20:24] <intrader> yofel, as to .BAT files, they should be innocuous as there is no interpreter for them.
[20:24] <yofel> or the person that wrote the 'showexec' mount option for vfat
[20:24]  * yofel goes to look if anyone bothered to file a bug about that...
[20:25] <intrader> yofel, thanks - this could be major. It should not be part of mount however.
[20:26] <yofel> well, the mount option is part of mount, the setting that the mount option is used is part of udisks
[20:26] <intrader> yofel, the Iranians are having a hey day with the thumdrive with the worm. We would have them in linux, if this behavior goes forward
[20:27] <BlaDe^> Hi guys, I have this issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/610440?comments=all
[20:27] <yofel> haha
[20:27] <BlaDe^> it was also an issue on 10.04, i was hoping a kernel upgrade would fix it. but it didn't
[20:28] <yofel> can't find anything on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udisks except bug 561479
[20:28] <yofel> intrader: the change was a fix for bug 14335 by the way
[20:29] <intrader> yofel, extreme! BAD IDEA. Security problems.
[20:30] <yofel> well, I'm in no position to complain, IMHO it's better than before, as until now *ALL* files on vfat/ntfs were executable
[20:30] <yofel> s/complain/change it/
[20:31] <intrader> yofel, that is extreme - I see why it would be a problem. But .COM, .EXE are exeptions -weird!
[20:32] <yofel> well, feel free to file a bug with 'ubuntu-bug udisks' and flag the bug as a security vulnerability
[20:34] <intrader> yofel, but the behavior with shell files, is definitely not Ok either
[20:34] <yofel> *that* would be a bug in the mount option
[20:34] <intrader> yofel, I am not mounting anything. I am executing a .sh file
[20:35] <yofel> yes, but you first have to mount the drive to execute the file :P
[20:36] <intrader> yofel, sorry, I don't follow. If I create an .sh file with vi and store it, then behavior of 9.04 and 10.04 would be to offer the context menu to execute it
[20:37] <intrader> yofel, whereas in 10.10 you have to set the execute bit.
[20:37] <yofel> if you store it on a *FAT* drive yes, not if you store it on a linux filesystem (at least if I remember correctly)
[20:37] <intrader> yofel, not on a fat drive - on the ext4 where 10.10 resides
[20:40] <yofel> can't remember how nautilus does it then, dolphin never has a 'Execute' entry in the context menu
[20:40] <yofel> anyone with gnome that could check that?
[20:41] <intrader> yofel, 9.04 and 10.04 both offer the 'Open' in the context menu. Then a dialog pops up asking whether to execute the sh file.
[20:42] <intrader> yofel, you mentioned all kind of problems with interpreted shell programs (perl, python,etc,)
[20:43] <intrader> yofel, 'bash' of course
[20:43] <yofel> well, dolhin doesn't have an 'open' entry, it will run or open the file in an editor depending on the executable bit, I remeber nautilus asking that question though
[20:44] <yofel> and the behaviour shouldn't have changed for linux filesystems, but as soon as a file comes in contact with fat/ntfs you suffer from showexec
[20:44] <intrader> yofel, what is dollhin ? I assure that 9.04 and 10.04 both worked OK.
[20:44] <yofel> default file manager in KDE
[20:45] <yofel> I don't have gnome installed here
[20:45] <intrader> yofel, by the way, I just booted openSolaris and it works ok from the thumbdrive - and from local file.
[20:46] <yofel> well, the udisks change is probably ubuntu only, and I really don't know if anything has changed for local files, I don't think so, but I haven't used gnome recently
[20:46] <intrader> yofel, openSolaris runs gnome.
[20:46] <yofel> erm, please note that the change has *nothing* to do with gnome, gnome just uses udisks to mount the drive now and usdisks uses showexec
[20:47] <yofel> meh, typo festival -.-
[20:49] <intrader> yofel, if you recall the script for pharo uses the exec command to force squeak into execution irregardless of whether it has the executable bit or not!
[20:49] <intrader> yofel, if you excuse  me I need to join my wife for lunch
[20:50] <yofel> sure, but exec fails here if the executable bit is not set
[20:50] <yofel> yofel@yofel-thinkpad tmp $ exec Pharo.sh
[20:50] <yofel> bash: exec: Pharo.sh: not found
[20:50] <yofel> yofel@yofel-thinkpad tmp $ exec ./Pharo.sh
[20:50] <yofel> bash: /home/yofel/tmp/Pharo.sh: Permission denied
[20:50] <yofel> bash: exec: /home/yofel/tmp/Pharo.sh: cannot execute: Permission denied
[20:51] <yofel> and for the file:
[20:51] <yofel> 22718981 4.0K -rw-r--r--  1 yofel     yofel      221 2010-09-29 20:43 Pharo.sh
[20:56] <yofel> well, that was the bash exec error message, dash (sh) says just: exec: 1: ./Pharo.sh: Permission denied
[20:57]  * yofel goes back to project-neon packaging
[21:00] <bjsnider> what is project-neon
[21:00] <yofel> KDE and amarok daily builds
[21:00] <yofel> https://edge.launchpad.net/project-neon
[21:01] <bjsnider> kde? ugh
[21:01] <yofel> the project was abandoned a while ago, and we're resurrecting it with launchpad recipes
[21:02] <bjsnider> didn't amarok screw the pooch awhile back with their version 2 release?
[21:04] <yofel> well, people are still using it (not me though) we have 2.3.2
[21:05] <bjsnider> you're not using version 2?
[21:05] <MasterOfDisaster> hi, do-release-upgrade doesn't upgrade to maverick: http://pastebin.com/A375RH6m - I have no idea what apt complains about.
[21:06] <yofel> bjsnider: I'm not using amarok
[21:07] <bjsnider> why are you involved in a project to ... hold that thought
[21:08] <bjsnider> MasterOfDisaster, that is not an apt error message
[21:08] <bjsnider> yofel, why are you involved in a project to create daily builds of software you don't use?
[21:08] <yofel> I do use KDE, just not amarok
[21:09] <ChogyDan> MasterOfDisaster: are you also gpmidi_wrk?
[21:09] <MasterOfDisaster> link mixup: http://pastebin.com/QwzPCZbf
[21:09] <MasterOfDisaster> ChogyDan: nope
[21:09] <ChogyDan> ok, nm  :)
[21:10] <bjsnider> MasterOfDisaster, using an ppas?
[21:10] <yofel> MasterOfDisaster: try 'sudo do-release-upgrade -d'
[21:11] <yofel> oh wait, you're root..
[21:11] <bjsnider> or sudo update-manager -d
[21:11] <MasterOfDisaster> bjsnider: yes, but shouldn't it list which packages it has problems with?
[21:11] <bjsnider> MasterOfDisaster, using any xorg/mesa related ppas?
[21:11] <intrader> Context menu no longer offers 'Open' for .sh files
[21:11] <MasterOfDisaster> bjsnider: yes
[21:12] <bjsnider> purge them using ppa-purge
[21:12] <MasterOfDisaster> bjsnider: thank you, will do that.
[21:23] <MasterOfDisaster> bjsnider: seems to work now, thanks again.
[21:29] <bjsnider> np
[21:39] <intrader> Context menu no longer offers 'Open' for .sh files
[21:40] <intrader> If I set the executable bit on the .sh file, it does offer the 'Open' context menu entry.
[21:40] <BUGabundo> evening
[21:43] <intrader> Note that the .sh file contains (http://paste.ubuntu.com/502777/) - the squeak does not have the execute bit either, but the exec command takes care of it in 9.04 and 10.04
[21:48] <intrader> Folks, every file that has '#!' must be offered in the context menu and open - otherwise all kints of bash, perl, python, etc will not work
[21:49] <yofel> same yes and no like for .exe - it should have the executable bit set if you're supposed to execute it
[21:49] <yofel> this is of course not really doable on fat/ntfs :S
[21:50] <androidbruce|lap> everyone's 10.10 running well?
[21:50] <intrader> yofel, but in most cases the execute bit will not be on in script files - nothing to do with fat/ntfs!
[21:51] <intrader> androidbruce, yes but I have an issue with shell files (those with '#!')
[21:51] <yofel> androidbruce|lap: more or less, my desktop and thinkpad work fine, my eeePC get's hard freezes sometime after suspend recently
[21:52] <yofel> can't really find out why..
[21:53] <androidbruce|lap> yofel, what version are you running on the netbook?
[21:53] <androidbruce|lap> er eepc
[21:53] <ppl8x> hello, is multitouch not avaible on the new beata? its not workin on mine samsung n210
[21:53] <yofel> kubuntu maverick on an eeePC 1000H
[21:53] <intrader> androidbruce|lap, what does the '|lap' mean?
[21:53] <androidbruce|lap> yofel, why not try ubuntu or a diff desktop environment?
[21:53] <androidbruce|lap> intrader, im on my laptop and not my desktop
[21:54] <yofel> the kernel locking up shouldn't have anything to do with the desktop environment
[21:54] <intrader> androidbruce|lap, oh
[21:54] <androidbruce|lap> yofel, ohh is the kernel locking?
[21:54] <androidbruce|lap> i was thinking in terms of performance
[21:54] <yofel> yes, it locks up completely, not even sysrq works anymore, need to reset by power button
[21:55] <androidbruce|lap> yofel, tried running logs?
[21:56] <intrader> androidbruce|lap, seems a little slower - specially displaying the icons in menus
[21:56] <yofel> well, I did check the logs, but I can't find anything. It seems to lock up before it has the chance to write any error to the disk
[21:57] <ppl8x> hello, is multitouch touchpad not avaible on the new beata? its not workin on mine samsung n210
[21:57] <androidbruce|lap> im using the beta on my dell inspiron 1501 and the two finger scroll works
[21:57] <ppl8x> *beta
[21:57] <ppl8x> hmm
[21:58] <androidbruce|lap> but that's not multitouch i guess
[22:06] <intrader> Folks, every file that has '#!' must be offered in the context menu and open - otherwise all kinds of bash, perl, python, etc will not work.
[22:07] <UndiFineD> nautilus: depends on: readline
[22:07] <yofel> intrader: we can't do anything about that, file a bug against nautilus if you want to reach the developers, you can file it at bugszilla.gnome.org too if you want to talk to the developers directly
[22:08] <yofel> erm, bugzilla.gnome.org
[22:08] <intrader> yofel, what is nautilus?
[22:08] <yofel> erm, the gnome file manager?
[22:08] <yofel> !info nautilus
[22:09] <yofel> intrader: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage gives instructions on how to find the packagename for the application you're using
[22:11] <intrader> yofel, thanks - I thought we could discuss incorrect behavior of 10.10 here - by the way, can I boot 10.10 in kde?
[22:11] <yofel> you can, either use kubuntu or install kubuntu-desktop
[22:11] <yofel> (or kde-standard / -full)
[22:12] <intrader> yofel, I try to see if the pharo.sh file executes properly
[22:12] <yofel> it *should* not mess anything up...
[22:12] <yofel> intrader: is the squid file marked as executable?
[22:13] <yofel> exec can't execute files that aren't marked as executable
[22:20] <intrader> I have noticed that the last update to 10.04 caused the properties of the Pharo.sh file to show up with a dash in the checkmark for executable. Once I set the executable bit, pharo starts normally
[22:23] <intrader> On 10.10, pharo does not start when executed via Pharo.sh event if squeak is set to executable.
[22:25] <svu> is anybody able to tell me how to debug GLib-GIO-ERROR?
[22:25] <svu> about missing schema
[22:26] <intrader> Anybody, how can I start 10.10 in KDE mode - the menu for selection no longer offered during login
[22:27] <yofel> intrader: haven't use gdm in a while, but iirc it becomes available once you have input your user name
[22:29] <intrader> yofel, Oh, I notice - however, it only offers 'Recovry Console, Ubuntu Desktop Edition, User defined session.
[22:30] <yofel> hm, then it's missing the xsession config file, no idea which package it is part of though
[22:31] <yofel> if you want to test dolphin you can just start that from within gnome though
[22:32] <intrader> yofel, I tried 'Ubuntu Desktop Edition', and except for bad fonts, same behavior of the shell file. No go.
[22:33] <intrader> yofel, how do I start dolphin (is that KDE)?
[22:34] <yofel> well, dolphin is KDEs file manager, which is what you wanted to try I guess, it should be in the applications menu, or press alt+f2 and run 'dolphin'
[22:35] <intrader> yofel, I see that the login reverts back to the Desktop Edition without offering me the option of running 'full Gnome'
[22:36] <yofel> I have no idea what's the difference between 'ubuntu desktop edition' and full gnome, so can't help you, as the ubuntu desktop edition uses gnome
[22:37] <intrader> yofel, dolphin is not a command 'Could no open location 'file:///home/intrader/dolphin' No such file or directory - out of luck I quess
[22:37] <yofel> why the hell does it want to run /home/intrader/dolphin o.O?
[22:37] <yofel> dolphin is /usr/bin/dolphin
[22:39] <intrader> yofel, no idea - /usr/bin/dophin - no such file or directory.
[22:39] <yofel> dolphin, not dophin, and did you really install kde properly? is the 'dolphin' package installed?
[22:40] <yofel> (maybe it would be easier if you would just test a kubuntu live disk)
[22:40] <yofel> less chances of messing something up
[22:41] <intrader> yofel, I am typing dolphin - I did not install kde explicitly
[22:42] <intrader> yofel, should I install it?
[22:42] <yofel> well, as dolphin is part of kde it's not installed in  ubuntu by default, you could either install it, or install kubuntu by installing 'kubuntu-desktop' or just get a kubuntu live disk
[22:43] <yofel> intrader: what was it that you wanted to test again?
[22:44] <intrader> yofel, to see the behavior assumed of kde in respect to shell files.
[22:44] <Ken8521> i really want my speaker jack to work
[22:44] <yofel> oh that, very simple: if executable: run it, if not executable: open in kwrite
[22:44] <Ken8521> i don't like using the internal speaker cuz i'm usually up late at night and don't want to disturb others.
[22:45] <yofel> and that's how it's supposed to work
[22:46] <intrader> yofel, the problem is with the behavior of 10.10 vs. shell files that -do not- have the executable bit on. In 9.04 and OpenSolaris as well as suse, mandriva, a shell file is executable if it identifies a shell in the '#!' command on the first line
[22:47] <yofel> oh? I guess I never noticed that
[22:51] <Malkavian_> using kubuntu maverick beta, last updates; sudo apt-get upgrade says something about the package kubuntu-desktop being kept back; what does this mean?
[22:52] <yofel> Malkavian_: dependency conflict, let me try here
[22:55] <yofel> Malkavian_: hm, works fine here, and looking at the latest changes, it should install fine as long as 'plymouth-theme-kubuntu-text', 'ubuntu-extras-keyring' and 'ttf-ubuntu-font-family' are available on your system
[22:57] <yofel_> Malkavian_: hm, works fine here, and looking at the latest changes, it should install fine as long as 'plymouth-theme-kubuntu-text', 'ubuntu-extras-keyring' and 'ttf-ubuntu-font-family' are available on your system
[22:57] <yofel_> ah wait, apt-get upgrade refuses to install new packages
[22:57] <yofel_> use dist-upgrade
[22:58] <Malkavian_> yofel: thanks, dist-upgrade wants to install plymouth-theme-kubuntu-text ttf-ubuntu-font-family ubuntu-extras-keyring
[22:58] <Malkavian_> I'll try this, thanks
[22:58] <intrader> yofel, I am not able to get back to my Gnome session - I have lost all the bookmarks in firefox, etc.
[23:00] <yofel> intrader: I don't get how that would happen, every time I tried to install kubunt on gnome it worked fine
[23:00] <intrader> yofel, I had Xmarks addon, and it is gone from firefox. The options for environment selection does not allow me to go back to 'standard gnome'
[23:05] <Ken8521> what are the freaking odds.. my original pair of headphones went bad, and i thought it was because my kitten got a hold of them... so after feasting on kitty burgers, i got some new earbuds, and they didn't work either.. "Gotta be Ubuntu..." so just for fun, I popped them on my PC, and it didn't work either... So i took some phones from my Zune, that I KNOW work, and voila.. my headphones work now..lol
[23:05] <Ken8521> feel kinda bad for the kitten now.
[23:05] <intrader> yofel, I had to reinstall the add-on to firefox. Something not correct with running the alternatives
[23:08] <Malkavian_> yofel: I just did a dist-upgrade, restarted the sistem and tried again apt-get upgrade; it still sais that kubuntu-desktop  has been kept back
[23:09] <yofel> Malkavian_: yes, because 'upgrade' doesn't install new packages but only upgrades existing ones, use 'apt-get dist-upgrade'
[23:09] <Malkavian_> dist-upgrade also keeps back this package
[23:09] <yofel> that's odd..
[23:09] <Malkavian_> yes...
[23:10] <Malkavian_> as I said, this is a fresh install
[23:10] <Malkavian_> no upgrade from jaunty
[23:12] <Ken8521> Malkavian_, well, an upgrade to 10.10 from Jaunty would be a bad idea anyway
[23:12] <Ken8521> Malkavian_, if the package is being held back, there's a reason... i wouldn't worry about it.
[23:12] <Malkavian_> because of intel graphic cards?
[23:13] <Ken8521> what does intel graphics cards have to do w/ it?
[23:13] <Malkavian_> :-) enabling visual effects on kde make the system behave very strange
[23:14] <Ken8521> Malkavian_, well, that i don't know about.. i hate KDE, and I don't use desktop effects
[23:14] <Malkavian_> like when I write something in a text box or a chat window, sometimes I have to move the window in order to see my text
[23:15] <Malkavian_> they like broke kwin, but I hope it will be fixed before final release
[23:15] <Malkavian_> I love kde
[23:15]  * yofel had kde compositing issues with intel, but that was fixed by the new mesa upload
[23:15] <yofel> 945GME
[23:15]  * Malkavian_ doesnt have any idea about mesa
[23:16] <yofel> open source OpenGL libs
[23:17] <Malkavian_> GM965/GL960
[23:18] <Ken8521> Malkavian_, thats the chipset i have....
[23:18] <Malkavian_> yes, but you hate kde, so..
[23:18] <Ken8521> :)
[23:18] <Malkavian_> i hate gnome with its big buttons
[23:19] <Malkavian_> :-)
[23:19] <Malkavian_> anyway, the kubuntu-desktop package is no problem, just wanted to ask if anyone know something about it
[23:20] <intrader> All, context menu of shell scripts does not offer 'Open' in 10.10. It does so in 9.04. In 10.10 shells scripts must be flagged as executable before the 'Open' context menu appears.
[23:28] <nemo> aaaargh. mount.cifs no longer works setuid :( :(
[23:29] <nemo> crap
[23:29] <nemo> this means I need to put pointless entries in fstab
[23:29] <nemo> a lot of 'em
[23:30] <syke> hi
[23:30] <syke> I just upgraded my Dell Precision T3500 workstation to 10.10 from 10.04
[23:30] <syke> but the 10.10 kernel panics on boot, so I had to use the 10.04 kernel
[23:32] <syke> and while 10.10 recognizes my non-boot drives as belonging to a RAID0 stripe, clicking on the "Go to array" link in the Disk Utility and then clicking "Start RAID Array" says there aren't enough components to start the RAID array
[23:32] <syke> even though Disk utility does auto-detect the two drives as having Linux RAID partitions
[23:33] <syke> using File->Create->RAID Array in the Disk Utility won't allow me to select the individual drives
[23:34] <syke> any ideas on how to re-start the RAID array I had working in 10.04?
[23:41] <computergeeksjw> Guest98415 is me
[23:45] <computergeeksjw> I'm running Ubuntu 10.10 beta and I lost the power button and username dropdown (on the top-right corner) During the upgrade process, I got a notification that because something went wrong, something was unloaded from the taskbar. I thought that it was just being weird because it was in the middle of an upgrade, so I clicked Don't Reload. Now it's gone! :( How do I get it back?
[23:55] <intrader> All, context menu of shell scripts does not offer 'Open' in 10.10. It does so in 9.04. In 10.10 shells scripts must be flagged as executable before the 'Open' context menu appears. Something for developers to look into?
[23:56] <kklimonda> intrader: you can always report it but it fits the overall changes so It's most likely a design decision