[11:45] <hjd> Does anyone know whether bug 1213339 is an already known issue or if it is the first report? I spotted this issue earlier today, but saw this and another report describing the same issue, so I wonder if these are the first reports or if they are duplicates of an older bug report.
[11:45] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1213339 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Update-Manager doesn't show all updates" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1213339
[11:46] <hjd> (And someone should probably look into what's causing the issue too :p )
[12:18] <yofel> hjd: maybe that's the effect of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhasedUpdates ?
[12:18]  * yofel doesn't use update-manager so can't really say
[16:56] <penguin42> interesting; didn't know about that


[00:06] <bkerensa> pleia2: Is there much in the realm of artwork that can be contributed? I have four students at OSU interested in contributing but they said the info on ubuntu.c is outdated
[00:08] <pleia2> bkerensa: cprofitt wrote about artwork at jams today: http://ftbeowulf.wordpress.com/2012/02/17/jam-jam-ubuntu-global-jam-art-jam/
[00:08] <pleia2> there's also the wallpaper contest going on now: http://design.canonical.com/2012/01/precisely-how-were-going-to-make-the-wallpapers-in-12-04-the-best-ever/
[00:11] <pleia2> there's also an ubuntu artists group on deviantart: http://ubuntu-artists.deviantart.com/
[00:14] <bkerensa> pleia2: This is whats been keeping me busy lately -> https://launchpad.net/~cs399/+members
[00:14] <bkerensa> thats and settling in
[00:14] <bkerensa> :(
[00:15] <bkerensa> 32 college students were mentoring
[00:15] <pleia2> cool
[00:15] <bkerensa> yeah.... perhaps some new contributors for the long term
[00:16] <bkerensa> There are four women in the group but I was unable to find any Ubuntu Women to mentor :s I'm not sure who is mentoring them but the mentor team I put togther there are five of us
[00:17] <pleia2> yeah, we're all pretty overwhelmed already
[00:17] <bkerensa> Indeed
[00:17] <pleia2> "we need more women for $foo" ...same women get asked for everything all the time
[00:17] <bkerensa> :D
[00:18] <bkerensa> I'm going to go on a brief hiatus this summer
[00:18] <bkerensa> have not figure out which month but I think I'm taking a entire month of from Ubuntu :)
[00:18] <bkerensa> Even gonna use Windows during the month :P jk
[00:20] <nhaines> Curious what the Ubuntu Community Manager does?  Courtesy of Michael Hall, here's a breakdown: http://blog_uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/communitymanager.jpg
[02:37] <pleia2> bkerensa: you could distro hop for a month to remind you why you love Ubuntu ;)
[02:38] <pleia2> (I sometimes think that's why I keep a Debian desktop around, I do love Debian, but sometimes I just want non-free stuff to work)
[02:40] <akk> I'm having good luck with stuff working in Debian.
[02:40] <akk> As long as it doesn't have to be *current* stuff and can be a couple years old. :)
[02:41] <pleia2> I finally got my nvidia drivers AND vlc+DVDs working (had to kick out xen since the xen kernel disagrees with nvidia, but I do kvm on my bigger computer now)
[02:41] <akk> Ubuntu does a good job keeping stuff working considering how often it updates.
[02:42] <pleia2> still can't get the totem plugin to work on Debian, it just works with magic on Ubuntu
[02:43] <MarkDude> Maddog Hall is hella funny
[02:43] <pleia2> not sure if it's the plugin itself (it fails to load in chrome, just sort of dies and takes my CPU with it in firefox) or missing codecs
[02:43] <pleia2> so no otter cam on debian! (important things here)
[02:44] <akk> I never got the SJ peregrine falcon cam working reasonably on any linux.
[02:44] <akk> Boo webcams that use weirdo formats.
[02:45] <pleia2> yeah, in the case of these I don't mind flash so much, it mostly just works (and was the first cross-platform thing that did for video through web)
[02:45] <pleia2> realplayer had a client for linux back in 2002 when no one else did, but it mostly sucked
[02:46] <pleia2> (not to mention not many sites actually used it)
[02:46] <akk> Yeah, I had really mixed feelings on realplayer -- it really did suck, but was (a little) better than nothing.
[02:47] <akk> When most places were using WMV or quicktime and the only solution for that was codeweavers crossover/wine.
[02:47] <pleia2> yeah
[02:47] <akk> And flash ... I hate it, but for any sort of video it sadly still is the best cross-platform solution.
[02:47] <akk> I do wish people would quit using it for things other than video, though.
[02:47] <pleia2> there was an mplayer plugin that unreliably played them, I was the biggest mplayer geek back in the day (my first linux famous thing was an mplayer on debian compiling guide)
[02:48] <akk> I tried opting in to youtube's html5 video trial, and found my dual-atom laptop isn't fast enough for it.
[02:48] <pleia2> hah, still one of the top hits for google search on debian mplayer
[02:48]  * pleia2 did put an "out dated" sign on it
[02:49] <akk> I remember trying to build mplayer, then reading that "mplayer, the project from hell" article and feeling so much better. :)
[02:49] <pleia2> hehe
[02:49] <akk> mplayer really is a great app, now that ordinary mortals can apt-get it.
[02:49] <pleia2> yeah
[02:50] <pleia2> I still use it for everything except dvds
[02:50] <pleia2> even music
[02:50] <akk> It was a great app even back then, except that its build system was highly un-great.
[02:50] <akk> I use it for movies and sometimes music on my laptop, but on the desktop I usually use vlc.
[02:51] <pleia2> yeah, my build instructions turned it into a .deb and shipped a user config that was nice
[02:51] <akk> vlc has a nice UI if you don't mind pulling in qt and half of kde and needing more cpu to run.
[02:51] <akk> I remember when I first learned there was a deb of mplayer -- maybe it was yours -- such excitement!
[02:52] <akk> And yeah, that it came already configured and with reasonable libraries and everything.
[02:52] <pleia2> there was a guy who made unofficial debs a year or so after I wrote my how-to, it was nice to be able to point to them (and then when it actually got into debian, yay!)


[00:35] <xnox> hm, can JontheEchidna or somebody else look into merging k3b ? it's needed for the libav transition.
[00:38] <apachelogger> he's MIA
[00:38] <apachelogger> Riddell, shadeslayer: can you make time for k3b tomorrow?
[00:38] <apachelogger> I am pretty booked with neon and phonon
[05:35] <leif_> greetings
[05:59] <leif_> :)
[07:35] <soee> good morning
[07:35] <leif_> morning
[07:41] <leif_> aah gues it is a study day
[08:03] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:06] <leif_> greetings from denmark
[08:07] <lordievader> Hey leif_, how is Denmark today?
[08:07] <leif_> cold and raini
[08:07] <lordievader> Good weather to sit behind a computer ;)
[08:07] <leif_> yeah and study
[08:11] <leif_> geez i am geek
[08:11] <lordievader> leif_: You're in #kubuntu-devel, we all are ;)
[08:12] <leif_> watching news on zen sever
[08:51] <Riddell> buenos dias
[08:52] <lordievader> Hey Riddell, how are you doing?
[08:52] <Riddell> parad1se: did you look at kde-runtime samba patch?
[08:52] <Riddell> lordievader: in early to the office means I get to play music loudly :)
[08:52] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I found my laptop cable thanks
[08:53] <lordievader> Riddell: Good reason to get into the office early.
[08:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: turns out jon is busy with http://xkcd.com/306/
[08:56] <Riddell> so I'll grab k3b today
[09:02] <parad1se> Riddell: Hi Ridell, yes I wrote yesterday about. OK I have to add it in the soure-list first. But the dpkg -i worked well (regardless of kde-runtime-dbg depencie problem). Now the remember function in Dolphin with kwallet works great!
[09:03] <parad1se> So far no problem detected.
[09:08] <Riddell> parad1se: great, I'll upload it to -proposed and I'll need your help at some point when it's accepted to test it and get it into -updates (which takes 1 week)
[09:08] <Riddell> ScottK: you rejected kdeconnect-kde? that's needed to make it work at all
[09:09] <ScottK> Riddell: Sigh.  It looked like tons of new features.  Let me look again.
[09:09] <Riddell> ScottK: yeah it probably is but it also fixes the important issue of the protocol update
[09:12] <Riddell> parad1se: could you add a test case to bug 1071453 ?
[09:12] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  Accepted it.  Next time a changelog entry more verbose than SRU update would be nice.  If it'd said to fix package being completely broken due to server protocol update, then I'd have never rejected it.
[09:12] <Riddell> parad1se: describe how you test it before and after the update to make sure the problem is fixed
[09:12] <Riddell> ScottK: gotcha, thanks
[09:13]  * ScottK ponders if it's worth going to sleep at all with the alarm clock set for 2 hours and 15 minutes from now ....
[09:14] <valorie> ScottK: in my experience, 2.25 hours is better than none
[09:15] <Riddell> ScottK: listen to the shipping forcast like all the insomniacs
[09:15] <ScottK> Yeah.  Probably.
[09:15] <ScottK> Riddell: Reading #kubuntu-devel instead.
[09:15] <ScottK> ;-)
[09:17] <Riddell> the geek alternative to the World Service
[10:15] <parad1se> Riddell: OK, no problem. I will describe my test scenario.
[11:04] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1250387] Internationalisation: languages mixed @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1250387 (by udippel)
[11:21] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 1245542 also for SRU love
[11:24] <Riddell> Quintasan: able to test kdeconnect? bug 1246433
[11:27] <apachelogger> yofel: btw, I also saw a build failure with neon qt5, only on saucy and only on i386 and it went away on a retry
[11:27] <apachelogger> qmake is just terrible...
[11:59] <soee> 4.11.3 are pushed to saucy updates ?
[12:07] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1250387] Internationalisation: languages mixed @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1250387 (by udippel)
[12:07] <Riddell> soee: in ppa:kubuntu-ppa
[12:09] <soee> Riddell, ah yes thank you
[12:20] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: regardinf the kdeconnect SRU what exactly do you need tested?
[12:20] <agateau> ola, I need some help with a packaging issue. Currently trying to get this patch in https://code.launchpad.net/~agateau/libdbusmenu-qt/cmake-config/+merge/192895 , but the build failed because the *-config.cmake files are not in the -dev package. It should be easy to add them, but I am a bit worried that the target files are named "*-noconfig.cmake". Is it expected or should the package specify a build type?
[12:20] <soee> Riddell, kdeconect can be tested from proposed ?
[12:27] <debfx> agateau: I thought debhelper passes relwithdebinfo nowadays
[12:27] <agateau> debfx: maybe something is wrong with the packaging then, i haven't checked
[12:27] <debfx> either should be fine when you have the build flags in the *FLAGS variables
[12:28] <agateau> debfx: meaning it's ok if the files ends up with "-noconfig.cmake"?
[12:28] <debfx> yep
[12:29] <agateau> ok, thanks
[12:29] <debfx> hm, the package doesn't use the dh_auto_* commands
[12:30]  * agateau just heard the sound of the pandora box opening
[12:30] <debfx> imho it would be better to use them with different build dirs
[12:32] <debfx> for example: QT_SELECT=qt4 dh_auto_configure -Bqt4 -- -DUSE_QT4=true
[12:32] <agateau> would this involve a big refactor of the package?
[12:33] <debfx> no, just changing 6 lines in debian/rules
[12:35] <agateau> ok, going to read doc about dh_auto_configure, but that sounds like something which should be done outside of my patch, so I may end up just adding -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE to the cmake calls
[12:35] <agateau> I assume the end result should be the same
[12:37] <soee> hmm what is jetty ?
[12:39] <Riddell> soee: yep
[12:40] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: can you install the kdeconnect-kde package from saucy-proposed and control your android phone with it using kdeconnect-android on the phone
[12:41] <debfx> agateau: this should work: http://pastebin.kde.org/pnm4d3ian
[12:42] <debfx> well, with that change you also get verbose build logs, actually passing dpkg-buildflags to cmake
[12:43] <agateau> debfx: sounds good to me
[12:44] <debfx> but I agree that should be a different merge request
[12:45] <agateau> ok, so I am going to try the -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE approach first
[12:46] <agateau> thanks for your help!
[12:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ping ping, we want to go to lunch
[13:21] <soee> should i care if when rebooting i see some lines and one of them is: # jetty is not installed ?
[13:21] <soee> *
[13:22] <ScottK> Riddell: You need to tag them verification-done after you test SRUs.  Then it'll become clear on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html that they are ready to be released.
[14:11] <allee> connect
[14:39] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[14:39] <leif_> afternoon
[14:39] <BluesKaj> 'morning
[14:40] <leif_> :)
[14:40] <leif_> those time zones
[14:40] <BluesKaj> yup :)
[14:40] <leif_> think i better get a couple of hours of reading done
[14:55] <Riddell> ScottK: good point
[15:12] <Riddell> leif, parad1se: hey new people could you also test muon from saucy-proposed? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/+bug/1250114
[15:21] <allee> Riddell: sausy SRU kdeconnect-kde <-> Nexus 4:  all fine execpt: clipboard sync only kubuntu->android, Battery not show on desktop, remote  multimedia control:  has short hangs when one quickly clicks the buttons (no regression, same as 0.3.1)
[15:22] <Riddell> allee: can you report that on the bug?
[15:22] <allee> Riddell: when home I can compare with 0.3 with 0.4.1
[15:22] <allee> okay.
[15:22] <Riddell> yeah that's the most useful bit
[15:27] <tester56> Riddell: Hi, I have noticed a weired issue: As I was testing Opensuse 13.1 (to see what they have to offer) I noticed  one weired thing: Dolphin is starting up quite a lot faster. I launched from konsole to see if there are any error messages: On Opensuse there are none, but on Kubuntu there are messages like "udisks2: property does not exist". Could that be the reason for the difference?
[15:28] <tester56> Riddell:btw: I am not planning to leave kubuntu ;-)
[15:28] <Riddell> :)
[15:28]  * Riddell has opensuse and fedora CDs to test
[15:28] <Riddell> tester56: I doubt that's the reason, some difference in udev isn't likely to make a speed difference
[15:29] <tester56> but on my machine the difference is noticeable
[15:29] <Riddell> yeah it would be interesting to work it out but I don't know I'm afraid
[15:29] <Riddell> if this was a decade ago I'd say something to do with pre-linking
[15:30] <tester56> Riddell: I am not sure if they use prelinking or not, but I think they don't use it anymore
[15:35] <tester56> Riddell: When I have time over the weekend I will look in that further and report back if you would be interested.
[15:36] <Riddell> tester56: certainly would but I suspect it's something quite deep in the compiler
[15:37] <tester56> but basically both, kubuntu and opensuse use the same source (4.11.2)
[15:37] <tester56> you think compile flags can make a noticeable difference (if not debug)?
[15:38] <Riddell> easily
[15:38] <Riddell> or some other quite fundamental issue
[15:39] <allee> tester56: did you try with freshly created accounts?  Maybe # of files or time to query nepomuk may be the reason for the difference?
[15:39] <tester56> Riddell: But if both Opensuse and Kubuntu use the same version of kde, the same kernel version, and both don't use prelink, the only reason that would make sense is the error message. btw, fedora 20 kde does not have the error messages either (and dolphin starts their faster too)
[15:39] <tester56> Riddell: of course not considering a deeper problem
[15:40] <tester56> allee: yes fresh accounts
[15:40] <Riddell> run kdebugdialog and turn on all the tickboxes, you'll get plenty of messages :)
[15:40] <tester56> allee: no nepomuk issue, as i monitored process with both top and iotop and it was quiet when i tested
[15:45] <allee> tester56: some time ago there was a blog post of a suse guy about making kde pkg less interdependent and get more speed.  Maybe you find dolphin mentione there???
[15:45] <tester56> allee: I don't know, as I don't know the blog post you are referring to
[15:46] <Riddell> lubos lunak was into that
[15:46] <Riddell> search for his blog and akademy talk
[15:53] <apachelogger> if only there was a suite of tools to use for profiling applications
[16:03] <rdieter> allee: you're probably thinking of 'klyde' (from wstephensen/opensuse)
[16:05] <allee> rdieter: yes, that sounds familar.
[16:06] <tester56> allee: that was not about speeding up things, that was about a special packaing approach to make certain things optional
[16:41] <allee> tester56: yes, but I assumed if you don't use all features, remaining stuff may run faster
[16:42] <tester56> allee; yeah true, but I mean it is not a direct speedup, only a speedup for  computers with limited ressources
[16:52] <Riddell> parad1se: don't forget the test case for that samba patch
[16:52] <Riddell> bug 1071453
[16:52]  * Riddell out
[17:39] <jussi> anyone here from munich?  or know munich?
[17:39] <jussi> need a restaurant recommendation...
[17:39] <Riddell> try wikivoyage?
[17:43] <tester56> I wonder if it is possible to change drag and drop icons (by that I mean changing them in an icon theme)
[17:43] <ScottK> That'd be an upstream question.  We don't customize those.
[19:54] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1071453] Dolphin doesn't store samba share password @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1071453 (by Pascal Korz)
[20:25] <volkan> Hi all, for the 14.04 version do you plan to change the view of website?
[20:25] <volkan> For Turkish version, I am planning to use this: http://tr.kubuntu.org/bootstrap/
[20:25] <volkan> basically uses bootstrap, jquery and lightbox for image viewing
[20:25] <volkan> they are all open
[20:26] <volkan> also place a link to forward into main site (as in Libreoffice.org)
[20:30] <soee> Riddell, any progress with KDEConnect ?
[20:42] <ScottK> soee: IIRC waiting for testers.
[20:43] <soee> ah ye, i forgot
[20:43] <soee> will test now
[20:44] <soee> ScottK, can i install all updates from proposed ?
[20:46] <ScottK> soee: They are all there for testing.  Depends on how adventuresome you are.  You can look at the saucy section in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html and see that no bugs are colored red, so at least there's nothing in there already marked verification failed.
[20:46] <ScottK> Personally, I only install the specific thing I'm testing.
[21:15] <Quintasan> \o
[21:16] <Quintasan> soee: Please see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeconnect-kde/+bug/1246433
[21:16] <Quintasan> It works, now we need to get the formalities done.
[21:16] <Quintasan> ScottK: Can you somehow push it through?
[21:23] <Quintasan> Wait, you did
[21:23] <Quintasan> nvm
[21:23] <Quintasan> soee: Just install kdeconnect-kde from proposode
[21:23] <soee> what Android version is required for KDE Connect 0.4.1 ?
[21:23] <Quintasan> prosposed*
[21:24] <Quintasan> soee: The application itself requires android 4.0+
[21:24] <Quintasan> The notification plugin requires Android 4.3
[21:24] <Quintasan> You could have read that on Google Play though.
[21:25] <soee> hmm my S3 has atm 4.1.2 and i can see any devices found :/
[21:25] <soee> *cant
[21:26] <Quintasan> You must be doing something wrong then
[21:26] <soee> ok sorry, Dolphin loads it
[21:26] <Quintasan> Try restarting KDE to make sure the KDE Connect deamon had reloaded.
[21:26] <soee> just notifier doesnt work as you said\
[21:27] <soee> ok so i have to wait few days to be able to test notifier :)
[21:27] <Quintasan> That's expected since Android itself doesn't support it unless you have Android 4.3
[21:27] <soee> till samsung ships 4.3
[21:28] <soee> but im happy i can browse my phone from dolphin :)
[21:45]  * ScottK doesn't see the difference.
[21:45] <ScottK> I can already browse the files on my phone with kio-mtp.
[21:45] <ScottK> Why do I want kdeconnect?
[21:47] <ScottK> Quintasan: kdeconnect is totally broken as is, right?
[21:47] <Quintasan> ScottK: If we don't SRU it will remain broken
[21:48] <Quintasan> It's not only about browsing files
[21:48] <Quintasan> It shows notfications from your phone
[21:48] <ScottK> Right, the reason I'm asking is I'm considering waiving the 7 day waiting period and pushing it to updates.
[21:48] <Quintasan> Pauses/unpauses playback when someone calls you
[21:48] <Quintasan> shares clipboard and whatnot
[21:48] <ScottK> I see.
[21:49] <ScottK> What does it connect to that changed protocol?
[21:49] <Quintasan> KDE Connect daemon
[21:49] <Quintasan> The android couterpart was updated in Google Play and it no longer works with the version we have.
[21:50] <Quintasan> counterpart*
[21:56] <volkan> Riddell: could you check what I wrote when u r free?
[22:16] <eagles0513875> hey guys can someone tell me what version of samba is in 14.04
[22:19] <ScottK> eagles0513875: That's not very related to Kubuntu development.  It'll change in any case.
[22:21] <eagles0513875> ScottK: reason im asking is that in current 12.04 and 13.10 they have a very old version compared to the latest.
[22:21] <ScottK> I understand it'll be updated "soon".
[22:38] <eagles0513875> thanks ScottK :)
[23:16] <ScottK> I went ahead and released the kdeconnect-kde SRU early since it's broken as is.
[23:16] <ScottK> Quintasan: ^^^
[23:18] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Any word on OTR support for KDE telepathy?
[23:19] <Quintasan> ScottK: Thanks!
[23:19] <ScottK> YW.  Now go beat the KDE telepathy people into providing some kind of OTR plugin like kopete has.
[23:24] <d_ed> less beating, more providing patches.
[23:25] <ScottK> shadeslayer: ^^^ weren't you going to do that (provide patches)?
[23:28]  * ScottK <-- doesn't do C++/Qt - mostly just packages, so no source of patches.


[11:34] <Cas> Hi, I just noticed that the main page for our project is saying that the latest version is 1.3.9 yet 1.3.11 is available and it is listed in history https://launchpad.net/deluge
[11:35] <cjwatson> That means the latest version that was actually uploaded to LP directly
[11:35] <Cas> except that in all downloads 1.3.11 is there
[11:36] <cjwatson> hm, right, one moment
[11:39] <cjwatson> Cas: if you hover over the date under "Released:" on https://launchpad.net/deluge/1.3/1.3.9 and https://launchpad.net/deluge/1.3/1.3.11, it shows 1.3.9 as being released five seconds after 1.3.11
[11:39] <Cas> lol
[11:40] <cjwatson> Cas: you should be able to edit the released times though, to avoid that
[11:40] <cjwatson> and hopefully model reality a bit more closely
[11:42] <Cas> I can't see where to edit release date
[11:42] <Cas> it suggests a launchpad bug fetching files from our ftp
[11:42] <Cas> it was working fine up until july 2014
[11:43] <wgrant> Cas: There's an edit icon next to the release date, if you have privileges.
[11:44] <wgrant> There was a bug with the release finder for a few months, which probably explains why those were found around the same time.
[11:44] <Cas> not seeing that here and I have full privs for Deluge afaik
[11:46] <Cas> oh wait
[11:46] <Cas> sorry was looking on the wrong page
[11:47] <Cas> would be handy to have edit options on https://launchpad.net/deluge/+milestones
[11:47] <Cas> :)
[11:49] <Cas> Thanks cjwatson, wgrant :D
[16:26] <zyga> hey, it seems to be impossible to link a bug to a git branch that fixes it, is that accurate or is it just me not knowing how to do that?
[16:27] <cjwatson> there is no such feature in LP today
[16:28] <cjwatson> and may not ever be because git branches are more transient than bzr branches; we may just implement linking directly to a merge proposal instead


[12:22] <acheronuk> issues? LP seems down
[12:23] <cjwatson> power work going on, I suspect it's gone a bit wrong
[12:25] <acheronuk> seems back now. thanks
[12:25] <cjwatson> yep
[15:27] <shiftplusone> Is there a way to allow a different launchpad user to upload to your PPA? I guess the only way is for them to generate a new key and add it to this launchpad account?
[15:32] <cjwatson> shiftplusone: it's possible, just undocumented :)  it's usually better to make the PPA be owned by a suitable team instead
[15:32] <cjwatson> shiftplusone: but if you have no alternative, you can use edit-acl from lp:ubuntu-archive-tools to grant an extra upload ACL on a PPA
[15:32] <korrigan> hello, I've open a question at Launchpad a few days ago, but since there are no answers untill today I thought I'd ask here
[15:33] <korrigan>  Importing my OpenPGP key to Launchpad Asked by Korrigan Nagirrok on 2017-12-11  Hello.  I've been trying to import my openPGP key to Launchpad since 15-11-2017 to no avail. The key was already uploaded to the Ubuntu keyserver: http://keyserver.ubuntu.com/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=korrigan&fingerprint=on (it's the first one listed).
[15:33] <cjwatson> korrigan: yep, sorry, I have seen your question, just need to do some log-trawling to figure out the problem
[15:33] <shiftplusone> Oh.. didn't know teams were a thing. Already made an account that should've been a team instead. Hmm
[15:33] <korrigan> sure cjwatson, no problem
[15:33] <shiftplusone> thanks again, cjwatson
[15:33] <korrigan> I'll wait for your answer there, then
[15:38] <shiftplusone> if I delete my account, will the name become available to create a team with the same name?
[15:39] <shiftplusone> looks like you can only deactivate
[15:41] <cjwatson> once the deletion completes it gets renamed out of the way
[15:41] <cjwatson> s/deletion/deactivation/
[15:42] <shiftplusone> Alright, I'll give it a go.
[15:44] <shiftplusone> That was easy. Thanks again.
[15:45] <cjwatson> np
[16:57] <shiftplusone> I've just uploaded some packages to a team ppa and they have been stuck on 'Pending publication' for for about an hour. Is that normal or is there an additional step I'm missing?
[17:04] <cjwatson> Let me see
[17:05] <cjwatson> shiftplusone: Can you give me a pointer to the PPA?
[17:06] <shiftplusone> ppa:rpi-distro/ppa
[17:06] <shiftplusone> https://launchpad.net/~rpi-distro/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[17:08] <cjwatson> You've managed to break something ...
[17:08] <shiftplusone> I have a knack for that
[17:08] <cjwatson> Have you been deleting and reuploading or copying around packages without changing the version?
[17:09] <shiftplusone> I have deleted an account and created a team with the same name. The packages were on that account previously.
[17:09] <shiftplusone> So that may count as a reupload
[17:09] <rbasak> shiftplusone: o/
[17:09] <rbasak> I read Ben's blog post earlier.
[17:09] <rbasak> I suggested that you should use avahi-daemon and forget about looking up IPs, BTW.
[17:09] <rbasak> Unrelated to your current problem.
[17:09] <shiftplusone> rbasak: hey
[17:10] <shiftplusone> rbasak: not sure if it will work in that use case.
[17:11] <shiftplusone> But I'll take a look
[17:11] <rbasak> If avahi-daemon is running at both ends, I'm pretty sure a lookup will work correctly.
[17:11] <rbasak> You need libnss-mdns installed on the system doing the lookups, but it already is installed by default on Ubuntu AFAICS.
[17:11] <shiftplusone> Even if it's link-local connection only?
[17:12] <rbasak> Correct.
[17:12] <rbasak> And link local is convenient too, because it avoids collisions.
[17:12] <rbasak> I may be wrong about this. But I believe it does work.
[17:12] <shiftplusone> ah, alright. I'll check if avahi is on that buildroot image and pass that on to the guy who does usbbootgui
[17:12] <rbasak> I don't know for certain that it does.
[17:13] <shiftplusone> No worries, I'll check later. Thanks.
[17:14] <cjwatson> shiftplusone: Ah, yes, I think that possibly existing PPAs aren't cleared off disk when you deactivate an account.
[17:16] <cjwatson> shiftplusone: The simplest thing would be to delete the PPAs, wait for a full publication cycle (say an hour, although it should be quicker than that), and re-populate everything.  But if that's difficult, you could also do trivial source uploads (i.e. suffix "build1" to all the versions) and rebuild everything
[17:16] <cjwatson> shiftplusone: The current files are permanently unpublishable, so you'll have to do something like that.
[17:17] <shiftplusone> So to confirm. If I delete the PPA, wait a while and re-upload the same packages again, they will be published?
[17:18] <cjwatson> Yeah
[17:18] <cjwatson> This was just a weirdness around deactivating accounts
[17:19] <cjwatson> (Though in general you should expect that if you want to rebuild a package or otherwise change it in any way, you need to change its version number)
[17:19] <shiftplusone> Thanks again and sorry for creating the extra support work for you while I get the hang of it. Much appreciated.


[00:12] <mhall119> ahoneybun: do you have msm's email address?
[00:16] <ahoneybun> msm?
[00:17] <ahoneybun> mhall119, msm?
[03:49] <jose> ahoneybun: michelle's
[03:50] <jose> ahoneybun: the payment processor is worldpay
[03:50] <jose> mhall119: everything should be good to go on Aaron's order
[04:07] <mhall119> jose: thanks, what did you do?
[04:07] <jose> mhall119: nothing, it's just that he was wondering about because the invoice said worldpay and not canonical shop
[04:07] <jose> turns out worldpay is the payment processor
[04:07] <jose> if that's not the issue, msm will be back tomorrow :)
[04:09] <mhall119> ah, ok, thanks
[12:35] <ahoneybun> jose, mhall119 it looks like I paid for my shirt though the same payment processor but i could not tell if it took the money from my paypal or if I have  card in the the system somewhere
[20:37] <ahoneybun> hey KeithIMyers_
[22:04] <ahoneybun> Bryanstein, ping
[22:04] <Bryanstein> ahoneybun, pong
[22:04] <ahoneybun> Bryanstein, do you know me?
[22:05] <Bryanstein> ahoneybun, well I think I do... I know another ahoneybun that is good with graphics :oP
[22:05] <ahoneybun> xD
[22:05] <ahoneybun> Bryanstein, I think you know me lol from FOSSETCON
[22:06] <Bryanstein> ahoneybun, of course...AND that is where I learned you're good with graphics ;o)
[22:06] <Bryanstein> What's going on?
[22:07] <ahoneybun> Bryanstein, planning a event
[22:07] <ahoneybun> small one
[22:07] <Bryanstein> Hmm tell me more
[22:07] <ahoneybun> part of the Ubuntu Global Jam for App Dev
[22:07] <ahoneybun> Ubuntu on mobile devices
[22:08] <Bryanstein> When?
[22:08] <ahoneybun> Feb 6 which is a Friday
[22:09] <Bryanstein> Hmmm ouch...I'll be wayyy out of town
[22:09] <Bryanstein> Where is at?
[22:09] <ahoneybun> In Dania Beach, Fl
[22:10] <Bryanstein> Is there a web page or something for it?
[22:10] <Bryanstein> Like a list of the Jams'
[22:12] <ahoneybun> Bryanstein, http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-us-florida/2998-south-florida-app-dev-school/
[22:12] <ahoneybun> that is for mine anyway
[22:14] <Bryanstein> Ok...so I'll tweet it out...if not later today tomorrow \o/
[22:14] <ahoneybun> Bryanstein, thanks!
[22:15] <Bryanstein> Hopefully it will bring a few people in...any free pizza or something?
[22:17] <ahoneybun> I'm going to get pizza and soda, and trying to get some swag from Ubuntu
[22:17] <Bryanstein> ahoneybun, when you say you are going to get pizza and soda...do you mean you yourself are paying for it?
[22:18] <ahoneybun> Bryanstein, if the parent company of Ubuntu will not, I'll have to yes
[22:19] <Bryanstein> Hmm looking at their menu...pie there isn't that cheap!
[22:19] <ahoneybun> I was thinking of doing a bracelet thing and who donate get one so they get pizza
[22:19] <Bryanstein> ahoneybun, well ummm I'll help out on the pizza and drinks...the question is how many folks do you think will show up?
[22:20] <ahoneybun> I have no clue tbh Bryanstein
[22:20] <Bryanstein> Ah...naw we'll just give em pizza
[22:20] <Bryanstein> Hmm so how many people would you say would be a success?
[22:21] <ahoneybun> when/if I get the swag I request and I run out of said swag lol
[22:22] <ahoneybun> Bryanstein, balloons is going to let me borrow a Nexus 7 for demos at the event
[22:23] <Bryanstein> Lol...well I mean realistically...so who will be leading the Jam and how many people beyond the leader will make it a Jam?
[22:24] <ahoneybun> umm
[22:24] <Bryanstein> 4-6?
[22:24] <ahoneybun> you got me there, I was going to do a session on making your first Ubuntu Touch app
[22:24] <ahoneybun> 4-6 would be pretty good for my first event lol
[22:25] <Bryanstein> Ok...well I'd say 4-6 would definitely be great...ummm so you've got enough time as far as notice goes
[22:26] <ahoneybun> I think so I posted it on the 6 of this month so 1 month
[22:26] <Bryanstein> So I'll think of a catchy tweet I guess then add in the pizza and pop thing and lets see what we come up with.
[22:28]  * ahoneybun is getting nervous
[22:29] <Bryanstein> Always mention food... ahoneybun did you drop a message to the loco list?
[22:29] <ahoneybun> crap no
[22:29] <Bryanstein> :oP
[22:29] <ahoneybun> wait let me reboot, trying to get the stylus on this notebook to work
[22:33] <ahoneybun> back
[22:37] <Bryanstein> You get that stylus to work ahoneybun ?
[22:37] <Bryanstein> lol I guess not
[22:41] <ahoneybun> I tried a sript and it messed something up had to reboot agan
[22:41] <ahoneybun> but nothing unless I'm doing something wrong
[22:42] <Bryanstein> So we were talking about the Jam being emailed to the list
[22:42] <ahoneybun> yea
[22:42] <ahoneybun> I have to do that
[22:42] <Bryanstein> Add the fact that there will be food and soda there on the page
[22:43] <ahoneybun> oh
[22:44] <Bryanstein> Then build a cool little message and blast it out to the list...as I said I'll/we'll/Fossetcon will help on the food and beverages
[22:44] <Bryanstein> ahoneybun, also...hmmm I'm thinking a meetup would be apropos too
[22:45] <ahoneybun> that would be awesome thanks, I'll work on that
[22:45] <ahoneybun> I was thinking the same
[22:46] <Bryanstein> So let me know what you come up with and keep me in the loop
[22:46] <balloons> ahoneybun, did you request funds for food, etc? you are certainly welcome and encouraged to do so
[22:47] <ahoneybun> balloons, I talked with mhall119 about it and sent one
[22:47] <ahoneybun> nothing back about it but it is still monday
[22:47] <Bryanstein> If you need help with something and run into a wall let me know
[22:47] <ahoneybun> Bryanstein, I do need a projector and screen
[22:48] <Bryanstein> Hrm
[22:48] <ahoneybun> but I'm going to the LUG in the area this sat and going to ask to borrow one


[02:22] <mup> Bug #1673916 opened: [2.2b3] mDNS observer traceback <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1673916>
[15:50] <mup> Bug #1673987 opened: [2.2 beta3]  Servers are failing to deploy - Times out after PXE installation - cloud-init[1563]: Can not apply stage final, no datasource found! Likely bad things to come! <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1673987>
[22:57] <mup> Bug #1674030 opened: [2.2] AttributeError: 'tuple' object has no attribute 'subnet_id' <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1674030>


[08:33] <KGB-0> orca ubuntu/master 05e0ba1 Marcus Tomlinson (559 files in 68 dirs) * Revert "Add libatk1.0-dev to Build-Depends" * https://deb.li/iO9t2
[08:33] <KGB-0> orca ubuntu/master Sebastien Bacher * [merge] merge request !2: Merge tag 'debian/3.37.90-1' into ubuntu/master * https://deb.li/ikDzA


[00:04] <ShellcatZero> Does anyone here do a lot of configuration management?  Do you get much benefit of something like Ansible over shell scripts?  I've personally found the translation of scripts to Ansible to non-trival and rather redundant, and I've found no such tools which seem to assist in automatically creating such scripts or playbooks from an OS environment.
[00:07] <hermande> ShellcatZero, Are you saying that transitioning to Ansible or Puppet from shell scripts are a PITA?
[00:07] <rbasak> ShellcatZero: it's handy for sharing common things between multiple instances, shipping templated files to instances, and so on. Sure, you can use shell, but then you're just reimplmenting some library that configuration management tools already provide.
[00:09] <Disaster_Area> i think typing dbeaver -vm /usr/lib/jvm/java-8-openjdk-amd64/jre/bin/java
[00:09] <Disaster_Area>  into my terminal has worked! :o
[00:10] <ShellcatZero> hermande: Just based on my experience, yes, and it seems redundant.  From my understanding, scripted provisioning at scale is just as well acomplished via ssh, rendering scalability benefits of Ansible or Puppet rather moot.
[00:16] <hermande> ShellcatZero, And for what it's worth, A well configured Scripting system can be powerful.
[00:17] <hermande> ShellcatZero, Ansible and Puppet have known interfaces that don't require special knowledge or code.
[00:18] <hermande> ShellcatZero, If I showed you my old scripting system and asked you to deploy it across a set of servers, you would insist that my coding didn't fall into your box of "Good Things"
[00:19] <hermande> With Puppet/Ansible, it's easier to describe using a common language.
[00:19] <ShellcatZero> hermande: Ah, I see what you're saying.
[00:20] <mybalzitch> did the docker snap break for anyone else? I get https://gist.github.com/thisisnotmyrealname/61f2215cb5dc23d2184d4c37474f7f92 after docker was running fine for ages
[00:20] <hermande> In otherwords, you are making yourself replaceable....
[00:20] <mybalzitch> removing the snap and readding it let me launch things again, but it seems the next day its broken
[00:42] <ShellcatZero> hermande: Based on what you describe I don't think Ansible or Puppet is applicable to my use cases, because I need to enforce domain knowledge for those using my scripts, which must also be extended as the need arises.
[00:47] <hermande> ShellcatZero, That's a fun topic.  So many tools enforce learning the API/UI over what is actually happening.
[00:47] <hermande> ShellcatZero, I've seen people pull up a full UI to make a small change in the /etc.
[06:28] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:55] <loru> Hello. I'm on ubuntu 18.04, using netplan on a server. I have addresses: [ x.x.x.50/24, '2x:x:x:x::ffff/64' ] and I need to add one more ipv4 and v6 (currently in a container, attaching them on the host instead).
[09:55] <loru> Would "addresses: [ x.x.x.50/24, y.y.y.51/24, 'x:x:x:x::ffff/64', 'y.y.y.y::ffee/64' ]" be fine?
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> idle a bit here ok loru -server channel might wakeup more at US wakeup
[10:02] <loru> lotuspsychje: sure
[10:02] <loru> https://gurdeep.ninja/ovh-soyoustart-ip-failover-ubuntu-18-04/
[10:02] <loru> I'm not using OVH but it seems to be it
[10:02] <loru> looks simple, I'll try :)
[10:02] <lotuspsychje> !netplan | loru see also
[10:40] <loru> It works anyway, thank you :D
[12:34] <paride> ahasenack, not sure why your git-ubuntu MP was being ignored by git-ubuntu-ci
[12:34] <paride> I had a look at the code and couldn't spot a limit to 10 MPs
[12:35] <paride> there are currently 11 active reviews in https://code.launchpad.net/usd-importer/+activereviews , the last one is from bryce and I can see it in the git-ubuntu-ci-trigger-job
[12:36] <paride> e.g. https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/view/git-ubuntu/job/git-ubuntu-ci-trigger/57812/console
[12:36] <paride> it's ce9afc69d8e6199ec96e1f28b68b23d3db9a8459
[12:41] <ahasenack> paride: it's because the MP was in the "approved" state already
[12:41] <ahasenack> paride: I switched it back to "needs review", kicked the job, and then it picked it up and voted
[13:05] <paride> ahasenack, OK, good to know
[14:12] <mason> Is there an apt(8) equivalent to "apt-get source" that I'm missing, or is there some tool that's preferred? Or is the goal for apt-get to always be there for its source-getting chops?
[14:23] <albert23> mason: you mean apt source <package> ?
[14:24] <mason> albert23: I don't know. Half a sec and I'll tell you if I mean that or not. :)
[14:25] <mason> albert23: Well, look at that. I hadn't thought to try that since it's not listed in the man page.
[14:25] <mason> albert23: I feel a docbug coming on.
[14:26] <ahasenack> rbasak: what's the name of that tool that organizes d/control? Puts each depends in its own line, orders it alphabetically, etc
[14:26] <mason> albert23: Thank you.
[14:26] <rbasak> ahasenack: wrap-and-sort
[14:27] <ahasenack> thx
[14:27] <albert23> mason: np
[14:30] <mason> albert23: Ah, and I guess my question is mildly confused, as when I snagged the apt source to whip up a patch, there was apt-get in the same package. Cough.
[14:44] <mason> albert23: Do you know if -a/--host-architecture is vestigial? I wanted to check options before snagging the apt-get man page section on source intact, and I seem to be missing some clue about how to apply -a.
[14:48] <mason> https://bpaste.net/show/25cb9c46b310 anyway - I'll defer the docbug until I know if what I'm using as a source is confused
[17:19] <JanC> mason: not only missing from the man page but also from --help apparently
[17:21] <JanC> but bash completion knows the 'source' command
[17:47] <mason> JanC: Do you know about -a there? I haven't dug into the source, but it seems not to work, and copying bad info from one man page to another might not be optimal.


[01:52] <|zer0|> hey all, easy question for someone to answer however I bet most ppl will suggest differently!
[01:53] <|zer0|> Where to install applications on linux? what is the most appropriate location (folder)?
[01:53] <|zer0|> I use /opt at one stage but considering you have to be root I cant be botheres doing that all the time/
[01:56] <garandil> |zer0|, you can place it in /opt, but make sure you set the permissions correctly..
[01:56] <garandil> For small scripts and such I use /usr/local/bin
[01:56] <|zer0|> I am talking apps in general with mutiple folders
[01:57] <|zer0|> for instance lighttable code editor, I installed this in /opt that was my first install outside using ubunt software centre  :)
[02:41] <Buuntu_> my laptops feels really hot but neither lm-sensors or hddtemp show anything out of the ordinary, is there anything else worth checking?
[02:42] <Buuntu_> like imo way too hot
[02:49] <holstein> Buuntu_: not really.. i have found in the past that GPU driver was relevant for that..
[02:50] <Buuntu_> holstein, yeah that was my guess, but it's a laptop with an integrated intel GPU
[02:51] <holstein> Buuntu_: still, if its a windows sticker on the box, like i assume it is, you can have hardware that doesnt support linux well
[02:52] <holstein> i would physically clean the unit, and try running the bios and see if it gets hot there, or reports. then, try a supported operating system, and maybe a few live CD"s with different kernel versions on the hardware
[02:52] <Buuntu_> holstein, yeah :(, maybe it's redshift.  i found that f.lux (which is similar) was often taking up 100% cpu.  i can't even find redshift as a process but it might be taking up a lot of GPU power
[02:53] <Buuntu_> holstein, i never remember it getting this hot in Windows but i will check again later
[02:54] <Buuntu_> holstein, different kernels - interesting.  hadn't thought of that but good idea
[03:02] <holstein> Buuntu_: the live CD will also take redshift and whatever else from the equation
[03:03] <Buuntu_> holstein, true, i was hoping for a way to check my GPU temp but i think that's impossible considering it's not a dedicated one
[03:04] <holstein> Buuntu_: its always possible for the GPU vendor to provide you a tool for that in linux
[03:04] <holstein> Buuntu_: intel usually do pretty well supporting linux, however
[03:05] <Buuntu_> holstein, Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09) is my graphics card
[03:05] <Buuntu_> which i think is just built in as part of the CPU
[03:06] <holstein> Buuntu_: sure, and they usually support linux well, but they didnt promise you linux support..
[03:06] <Buuntu_> right, i mean i'm not complaining too much
[03:12] <quantibility> is there anyone here that can direct me to a place where i can have someone help me set up my Apache2?
[03:12] <quantibility> cause im getting really fustrated over here
[03:12] <holstein> quantibility: you can try the server channel
[03:12] <holstein> !server
[03:12] <quantibility> thanks
[03:16] <holstein> !apache
[03:18] <Buuntu_> holstein, i found the package "intel-gpu-tools" which lets you monitor gpu usage.  usage is close to 0% so it might not be the gpu
[03:19] <quantibility> i should invest in a gun... hard to have simple questions answered.. blow my brians out waiting
[03:20] <holstein> quantibility: sure.. stop waiting.. try the documentation.. also, use the #xubuntu-offtopic to chat
[07:46] <|zer0|> hey all, got a question about changing folder permissions.
[07:47] <|zer0|> I copied a older into /opt it now has an X on it in file maager and I cannot chage permissions or delete the folder.
[07:47] <cfhowlett> |zer0|, try to change with sudo
[07:47] <|zer0|> I have tried sudo chmod -R /opt/xxxxxxx (x is folder) without any luck.
[07:48] <|zer0|> I also tried sudo chmod -R u+r (or user + read access) but that didnt do anythign either
[07:49] <|zer0|> I have another folder I copied into /opt without any issues.
[07:49] <cfhowlett> !permissions | |zer0|,
[07:49] <cfhowlett> |zer0|, ask in #ubuntu for more eyes/brains on this
 I will read this
I will go there if  I cant fnd what I need in link from <ubottu>
[08:27] <bCore> Hi, i need help, my xubuntu dont have sound!! :C
[08:28] <cfhowlett> !sound
[10:28] <ublinuxdeep> hello I am a newbie here
[10:29] <ublinuxdeep> and I want to know about how can I contribute for ubuntu
[10:29] <ublinuxdeep> ??
[10:29] <cfhowlett> !contribute
[11:11] <p78artist> hello :) i have a problem with the xfce-panel. all time i start my pc, the panel does not autostart. i set xfce4-panel in the autostart settings. but it didnt work.
[11:11] <p78artist> and sorry for my bad english
[11:12] <cfhowlett> p78artist, settings > session and startup > session >  clear saved sessions
[11:12] <cfhowlett> p78artist, and please don't crosspost
[11:13] <p78artist> thanks, i try that and come back :)
[13:05] <goneeuro> hi guys. Is there a reason you can think of why gparted keeps getting held back on an apt-get upgrade on 14.10?
[13:06] <cfhowlett> goneeuro, ask in #ubuntu+1 for 14.10 support
[13:07] <cfhowlett> goneeuro, and it MIGHT be held back cuz 14.10 is still only in - what? alpha 2?  not even BETA?
[13:08] <goneeuro> Yeah. thats what I was thinking. Seemed like everything else was updateing fine. So I thought maybe I had to change something.
[13:09] <cfhowlett> goneeuro, until release, all developing distros are supported only #ubuntu+1
[13:09] <goneeuro> ok. I posted over there too. Thanks for the headsup.
[14:06] <attrapereves> Hi, my computer is completely freezing at the login screen. The mouse and keyboard do not respond. Restarting the computer usually works, but sometimes I have to restart it 3 or 4 times. Any ideas?
[14:07] <Golynx-> You need the correct drivers
[14:10] <attrapereves> Golynx, my system has Intel onboard graphics. I didn't think that Intel graphics usually cause problems.
[14:11] <cfhowlett> attrapereves, intel graphics driver is preferable if available - which it is; 1.06
[14:17] <attrapereves> This is the last error I see in /var/log before restarting the computer:
[14:17] <attrapereves> xhci_hcd 0000:00:14.0: Timeout while waiting for a slot
[16:20] <horrow> Hey guys
[16:20] <horrow> :)
[17:46] <FabulFabiFabo> hi body
[17:48] <FabulFabiFabo> i have visit website Xubuntu, i would to know if my old computer withe cpu 120 Mhz and 32 Mo Ram can run withe Xubuntu?
[17:48] <bazhang> 32mb?
[17:49] <FabulFabiFabo> yes
[17:49] <bazhang> what os is on there now
[17:50] <baizon> FabulFabiFabo: none DE will work with this much of memory
[17:50] <FabulFabiFabo> windows 98
[17:50] <baizon> only terminal would be recommended
[17:53] <FabulFabiFabo> i would like run this computer just for a minal server but i don't no if i can run with terminal xubuntu
[17:54] <FabulFabiFabo> minimal server *
[17:59] <FabulFabiFabo> baizon you think withe terminal i run ?
[18:03] <koegs> i would not waste my time with this type of hardware
[18:59] <gumble__> I have an live usb stick here with a xubuntu version on it. is there a quick way to check if it is 32 or 64 bit without restarting my pc and booting from the stick?
[19:04] <bekks> gumble__: Just take a look at "uname -a"
[19:05] <gumble__> bekks, probs would be, that as I said I don't want to boot from the stick. but found a solution already, so thanks anyway
[19:05] <bekks> gumble__: So whats your solution?
[19:06] <gumble__> bekks, on the stick is a md5sum.txt, in there are a few lines at the end which contain '...i386...', so I guess it is 32 bit :)
[19:07] <bekks> gumble__: Can you pastebin that file?
[19:07] <gumble__> yes, I can, wait a sec..
[19:08] <gumble__> bekks, http://pastebin.com/qSqMMdv3
[19:08] <gumble__> why do you need it?
[19:08] <bekks> Because "...386..." is pretty generic :)
[19:09] <gumble__> ah ok, but looking at the file you too would say it is 32 bit right?
[19:09] <gumble__> the lines I meant are at the bottom of the paste
[21:26] <zacwalls> can someone help me. i downloaded playOnLinux and i have know idea how to use it. all tutorials are out dated
[22:31] <bazhang> http://www.linuxtechi.com/playonlinux-install-windows-software-games-in-ubuntu/  <[23:12] <orangerobot> hi there. I've upgraded my ubuntu version and I no longer have a desktop. I've purged and reinstalled the xubuntu-desktop package but now when I log into my computer I just see garbage on the screen
[23:12] <orangerobot> some coloured pixels only.
[23:12] <orangerobot> I can see my mouse cursor though
[23:13] <orangerobot> Any general pointers I could try?  It's ok if involves de-installation and such.


[08:06] <smoser> cpaelzer: are you able to recreate https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1750770
[08:06] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1750770 in cloud-init "installing cloud init in vmware breaks ubuntu user" [Undecided,New]
[08:06] <smoser> it must have been 16.04, right >
[08:24] <do3meli> smoser: good morning, can you trigger another ci run for https://code.launchpad.net/~d-info-e/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/340112 ?
[08:42] <blackboxsw> morning do3meli https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/job/cloud-init-ci/827/ running
[08:43] <do3meli> thx blackboxsw
[08:43] <blackboxsw> btw thanks for working on this. much appreciated
[08:57] <do3meli> thanks blackboxsw, btw ci run completed successfully. so this is finally really ready for merging now
[09:07] <blackboxsw> do3meli: looks great. I'm working on an automated lander this morning and I'll run it against your branch. You'll probably see it close in the new few minutes
[09:08] <do3meli> awesome ;-)
[09:08] <do3meli> may you want to set it to approved before your automation picks it up ;-) cause currently the MP status is WIP
[09:08] <do3meli> i mean "needs review"
[10:37] <blackboxsw> smoser: rharper https://askubuntu.com/questions/259453/how-can-i-monitor-cloud-init-for-errors-and-trigger-a-script-when-it-fails/1012766#1012766
[10:43] <rharper> maybe combine those together?
[10:43] <rharper> cloud-init status --wait and then examine the result.json file
[10:51] <smoser> blackboxsw: https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/341116
[11:02] <do3meli> can someone look into https://code.launchpad.net/~d-info-e/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/340757 ?
[14:00] <smoser> rahbug 1749696
[14:00] <smoser> rharper: bug 1749696
[14:00] <ubot5`> bug 1749696 in cloud-init "Excessively vague error while parsing yaml: RuntimeError: Unable to shellify type dict which is not a list or string" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1749696
[14:00] <smoser> we could mark my shellify change as fixing that.
[14:00] <smoser> but..
[14:17] <PsyRabbit> smoser: I'm using open-vm-tools and I would like to know what data comes via OVF into my machine from VCloud director. So I red some source but didnt find files like cust.cfg or nics.txt referenced here: https://github.com/cloud-init/cloud-init/blob/master/cloudinit/sources/DataSourceOVF.py#L112 Is it only for vmware tools? Or how can I see all data which is provided by VCloud Director OVF inside my
[14:17] <PsyRabbit> machine?
[14:35] <smoser> PsyRabbit: what do you mean "via OVF" ?
[14:36] <smoser> is that via CD-rom / iso ?
[14:36] <smoser> or via the guest/host vmware transport
[14:37] <smoser> most of the vmware code is contributed via vmware developers and embarassingly I've never actually used it myself.
[14:37] <smoser> I have used the OVF iso transport, and originally wrote and tested that.
[14:39] <PsyRabbit> It's via the guest/host vmware transport... The documentation is really thin in this direction
[14:47] <smoser> PsyRabbit: yeah. i really have very little vmware knowledge.
[14:50] <PsyRabbit> Okay... I mean I see that the hostname etc. can change, so the transport itself is working. But is there a way that I can dump all incoming key->value pairs independently from my datasource? Just that I know what I can use for further setup tasks?
[14:51] <PsyRabbit> It's not really transparent for me...
[14:52] <smoser> PsyRabbit: i'm really sorry, you're at the limits of my knowledge in this area.
[14:53] <blackboxsw> PsyRabbit: yeah around this space, I know that I recently reviewed a vmware branch that dealt with placing some customization script seeded (I thought from https://code.launchpad.net/~msaikia/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/330105) It has a bit more context on a single customization script file containing both Pre and Post customization operations which gets placed on the system.
[14:53] <blackboxsw> from the looks of the datasourceOVF, that file is located at /var/run/vmware-imc
[14:53] <PsyRabbit> smoser: Thank you anyway :/ No problem, maybe someone read our conversation :) But I really have to say the documentation needs improvement...
[14:54] <blackboxsw> on a deployed system. best approach (because most vmware folks only infrequently join this channel is to go for a deployment and check that directory for content.
[14:54] <blackboxsw> also you can find a bunch of information on which cloud-init reacts (user-data/metadata) in /run/cloud-init/instance-data.json on a deployment that contains cloud-init 17.1 or later
[14:55] <PsyRabbit> blackboxsw: The file is not present - I have the path from the source... Maybe it's deleted after usage (didnt find rm statement in python) or open-vm-tools is working different than vmware tools.
[14:57] <PsyRabbit> Hmm, I'm using cloud-init 0.7.9 which is from the rhel 7 repo... instance-data.json is not present, there is only result.json and status.json
[14:59] <blackboxsw> from wait_for_imc_cfg_file() in DatasourcOVF it looks like that file is optional as that function which if memory serves I think only is written if custome user scripts were provided during vm creation
[14:59] <blackboxsw> PsyRabbit: let me get you a link to our tip COPR repo... one sec
[14:59] <blackboxsw> it'd give you the ability to upgrade to latest cloud-init to check
[15:01] <blackboxsw> PsyRabbit: https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/g/cloud-init/cloud-init-dev/
[15:01] <blackboxsw> we have jobs that update this repo with tip of cloud-init (currently revision 18.1...)
[15:02] <PsyRabbit> blackboxsw: Thank you, I will try it out :)
[15:02] <blackboxsw> running 'sudo cloud-init clean --logs --reboot' after you install that should clean your system of cloud-init artficts and reboot it allowing cloud-init to attempt running again
[15:03] <blackboxsw> after reboot, the OVF datasource  will write /run/cloud-init/instance-data.json which sheds light on metadata/user-data that cloud-init reacts too
[15:04] <blackboxsw> also PsyRabbit vmware folks occasionally jump into our cloud-init bi-weekly status meeting
[15:04] <blackboxsw> oops let me update that in the channel topic
[15:05] <PsyRabbit> I think you helped me a lot blackboxsw! Thank you
[15:06] <blackboxsw> no worries
[18:20] <dojordan> hey @blackboxsw, you threre?
[19:57] <dojordan> hey all, on bionic, how / when does /etc/resolv.conf get generated?
[23:10] <dojordan> @smoser, when you get a chance: https://code.launchpad.net/~dojordan/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+ref/fix_azure_hostname


[11:00] <kosh> rjb: okay can you disable xgl and go use the free driver and see what happens? if that is okay could you use the proprietary driver without xgl and see what happens? also what verison of the driver are you using?
[11:00] <rjb> & no i wasn't using any extraordinary video features
[11:00] <rjb> just standard installed stuff
[11:01] <kosh> they released a new driver yesterday it looks like
[11:01] <rjb> the driver was current out of kubuntu's repo
[11:01] <AlexTeleCentro> What the command what i use to restart my X?!?!?!?
[11:01] <rjb> i junked it yesterday ;)
[11:01] <kosh> oh wait that was just for 64bit that had a driver update yesterday
[11:01] <rjb> well i'm on amd64 indeed
[11:02] <Healot> while in desktop = Ctrl+Alt+Backspace, AlexTeleCentro
[11:02] <rjb> should have mentioned that
[11:02] <Healot> while in the black only screen "sudo invoke-rc.d kdm restart"
[11:02] <AlexTeleCentro> Healot: my X service, in gnome i use /etc/initd/gdm restart
[11:03] <Healot> if you're using Kubuntu...
[11:03] <kosh> rjb: so can you try running with the free software driver and see if the same problem occurs? also you might want to consider downloading http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_amd64_1.0-8762.html
[11:03] <rjb> well in fact i did enable composite & tried shadows & translucency as configured in kde's options
[11:03] <Healot>  "sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart" then
[11:03] <rjb> but it was too slow & hogged the cpu
[11:03] <kosh> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=72488   there is the information on that driver
[11:03] <AlexTeleCentro> Healot: i use now Kubuntu
[11:03] <Healot>  "sudo invoke-rc.d kdm restart" then
[11:03] <kosh> rjb: so are you using xgl?
[11:03] <rjb> kosh: the nv driver gives no suchproblems
[11:04] <rjb> nope, no xgl
[11:04] <rjb> just the composite extention
[11:04] <rjb> plain old xorg xserver
[11:04] <BKaj> anyone install google earth linux ? It's supposed to work but it won't laucnch due to 2 missing lib files , libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 and libXcursor.so.1 . Thses files aren't in any repositories that i can find in Adept or Synaptic ...any clues where they might be ?
[11:04] <uniq> kulover: i don't find anything usefull.. it basically checks whether is is needed to fsck the disks.
[11:04] <furgu> BKaj, use apt-file
[11:05] <rjb> kosh: thanks for the link, i'll check it out
[11:05] <furgu> BKaj, do you know how to use the CLI for apt/
[11:05] <furgu> ?
[11:06] <h3sp4wn> rjb: libxcursor1 package
[11:06] <furgu> libxcursor1, libgtk2.0-0
[11:06] <furgu> BKaj ^
[11:06] <kosh> you might want to turn off composite also, update the driver and see if there is anything on that link that will help
[11:07] <kosh> ie just try and cut variables out
[11:07] <rjb> kosh: thx, i'll give it another spin in a few days
[11:08] <rjb> kosh: in fact i mainly wanted nvidia in order to make composite work better
[11:08] <rjb> otherwise nv works just fine
[11:08] <rjb> i don't play 3d games
[11:09] <BKaj> furgu: I don't have it
[11:10] <BKaj> CLI ?
[11:10] <furgu> BKaj, you can install apt-file, it is a package
[11:10] <furgu> BKaj, but the packages you need for your app are libxcursor1 and libgtk2.0-0
[11:10] <BKaj> lemme check , I think I install apt already
[11:10] <TheHighChild> Does anyone know if a current Konqueor session can be given root permissions?
[11:10] <furgu> BKaj, apt-file is a seperate package
[11:11] <furgu> it is a helpful tool
[11:11] <furgu> BKaj, CLI = Command Line Interface, a shell, terminal, prompt, etc
[11:11] <BKaj> yup furgu, apt is installed
[11:12] <furgu> arg, bad BKaj
[11:12] <BKaj> I can do some stuff in the console
[11:12] <furgu> BKaj, just install libxcursor1 and libgtk2.0-0
[11:13] <BKaj> I tried to but it can't find the pkg
[11:13] <BKaj> sudo apt-get install ./libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
[11:13] <gatekeeper> TheHighChild: Select Run Command... and try kdesu Konqueor
[11:14] <BKaj> furgu: ?
[11:14] <furgu> BKaj, they are there... which program are you using?
[11:14] <BKaj> I wondering whwere the pkgs are ?
[11:14] <uniq> nite.
[11:15] <TheHighChild> gatekeeper: Will that give root permissions to the currently running session?
[11:15] <BKaj> where
[11:15] <furgu> BKaj, sorry... try  'sudo apt-get install libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0'
[11:15] <furgu> no ./
[11:15] <cbo> please i need some hint on how to set up hostname on boot up, like install script does, to use the same hd image on several computers
[11:16] <gatekeeper> TheHighChild: it should bring up an instance of Konqueor with root permissions
[11:16] <rjb> cbo: /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts
[11:16] <TheHighChild> gatekeeper: Ok. That's what I thought. I am trying to give a current session root. Not a big deal, just curious if it could be done. Thanks for your help.
[11:16] <BKaj> furgu:
[11:16] <BKaj> sudo apt-get install libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
[11:16] <BKaj> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[11:17] <furgu> BKaj, close whatever graphical program you have open for package management
[11:17] <gatekeeper> TheHighChild: why? what are you trying to do?
[11:17] <TheHighChild> gatekeeper: Just trying to figure out what I can and cannot do. Nothing that I can't work around.
[11:18] <cbo> rjb: thanks, but i think /etc/hostname is to put hostname 'by hand' i need the computer to 'query' for its hostname, just when you install for the 1st time
[11:18] <gatekeeper> TheHighChild: OK just be carefull if you Konqueor root permissions
[11:18] <BKaj> furgu: no luck , couldn't find pkg
[11:19] <furgu> cut & paste the error please
[11:19] <BKaj> sudo apt-get install ./libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
[11:19] <BKaj> Reading package lists... Done
[11:19] <BKaj> Building dependency tree... Done
[11:19] <BKaj> E: Couldn't find package
[11:19] <TheHighChild> gatekeeper: I guess it would have been more appropriate to ask if I can give root permission to a currently running process or if it has to be initiated as such.
[11:19] <TheHighChild> BKaj: remove the ./
[11:19] <furgu> BKaj... BAD BKAJ...
[11:20] <rjb> cbo: you mean dhcp?
[11:20] <BKaj> sudo apt-get install ./libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
[11:20] <BKaj> Reading package lists... Done
[11:20] <BKaj> Building dependency tree... Done
[11:20] <BKaj> E: Couldn't find package
[11:20] <furgu> BKaj... I dont want to stab my eye with this pen... Really I dont
[11:20] <BKaj> oops
[11:21] <BKaj> sudo apt-get install libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
[11:21] <BKaj> Reading package lists... Done
[11:21] <BKaj> Building dependency tree... Done
[11:21] <BKaj> E: Couldn't find package libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
[11:21] <furgu> What version of ubuntu are you running BKaj?
[11:21] <BKaj> 6.06 AMD64
[11:21] <gatekeeper> TheHighChild: can't say I know how you would do that, not even sure it would be desirable from a security point of view, would give a hacker/cracker a point of vunrability to go after
[11:21] <furgu> 'doh
[11:22] <furgu> BKaj.. sorry man
[11:22] <furgu> sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-0
[11:22] <furgu> that should work
[11:22] <cbo> rjb: when i install kubuntu in a computer, and i'm asked for a hostname, its full-name is offered to me as default. Previously i have configured the MAC for this machine in a dhcp server, who gives it a valid ip and name. But i plan to use the same hd image in several computers, so i need a way to establish the name during boot for each one.
[11:22] <furgu> and then
[11:22] <BKaj> furgu:  I found some lib files for 64 bit but thy were mandriva and fedora core
[11:23] <furgu> sudo apt-get install libxcursor1
[11:23] <furgu> BKaj, I gave you the wrong package name... my bad
[11:23] <furgu> BKaj, try that ^^^
[11:23] <TheHighChild> cbo:  You can set the hostname in /etc/hosts
[11:24] <BKaj> Reading package lists... Done
[11:24] <BKaj> Building dependency tree... Done
[11:24] <BKaj> libxcursor1 is already the newest version.
[11:24] <BKaj> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[11:25] <gatekeeper> cbo: there is a CLI command which will change the name for that session
[11:25] <furgu> How about the other one?  'sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-0'
[11:25] <rjb> cbo: i think i'd tweak it manually
[11:26] <BKaj> furgu: same msg
[11:26] <cbo> i was hoping there was a daemon to do that.....
[11:26] <gatekeeper> cbo: If man:hostname it will give you the info you need
[11:26] <furgu> BKaj, copy and paste the exact error when you run google earth
[11:26] <BKaj> maybe google earth won't run on 64s
[11:26] <BKaj> lemme check
[11:27] <TheHighChild> BKaj: I didn't have trouble
[11:27] <furgu> Shouldnt matter
[11:27] <TheHighChild> try "linux32 ./GoogleEarth"
[11:27] <cbo> gatekeeper: i need a system which 'asks' for its hostname every boot....
[11:27] <rjb> cbo: my guess is one could write a custom boot script to set the hostname based on dhcp
[11:28] <rjb> but i don't know how to get that info from the dhclient
[11:28] <trappist> BKaj: I run mine in a 32bit chroot
[11:28] <cbo> rjb: i think it has to be an standard way to do it
[11:29] <rjb> cbo: not that i know
[11:29] <cbo> rjb: nor do i :-). thanks anyway for your comments
[11:29] <rjb> i haven't seen it done that way, other than by installers
[11:30] <cbo> rjb: yes instalers do it, i will have to 'dissect' it or post a question somewhere....
[11:31] <rjb> cbo: actually the sequence should be like: set a temp hostname, ifconfig with dhcp, rev dns query your own address, set hostname based on what you got
[11:31] <BKaj> furgu:
[11:31] <BKaj> nstalling desktop menu entries...
[11:31] <BKaj> ./googleearth-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libXcursor.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:32] <gatekeeper> cbo: sounds like you want a little c++ program to run at boot up?
[11:32] <rjb> gatekeeper" ???
[11:32] <cbo> rjb: i'll do it until i find the standard way of doing it, thanks for your suggestion
[11:32] <furgu> BKaj, dunno I am stumped... try the above suggestions... could set LD_LIBRARY_PATH but that prob wont help
[11:32] <rjb> wtf does that have to do w/c++ ?
[11:32] <cbo> gatekeeper: sorry don't understand... why c++?
[11:33] <rjb> it's like 5 lines of shell script
[11:34] <cbo> rjb: i agree
[11:34] <BKaj> yeah furgu, no prob ...Thx , i appreciate the efforts just the same :)...no one said Linux was easy :)
[11:35] <gatekeeper> cbo: if you can get a bash script to ask the user fine, haven't done much bash scripting myself, main come a c++ programing background so was thinking a simple dialog program to ask the question and do the necessary, probable many ways to do it :-)
[11:35] <trappist> BKaj: apt-get install libxcursor1
[11:35] <furgu> trappist, we tried that
[11:35] <trappist> oh
[11:35] <furgu> thanks for playing tho
[11:35] <trappist> well I mentioned I run it from a 32bit chroot on mine
[11:35] <rjb> gatekeeper: what do you want to ask the user?
[11:36] <patch> hello all
[11:36] <furgu> yeah BKaj, try these other guy's ideas
[11:36] <patch> could anyone please help me out with a few grub questions
[11:36] <gatekeeper> rjb: cbo wanted to ask the user the hostname on boot up
[11:36] <BKaj> I have google earth on the NTFS partition (windoes) so it's no biggie , just be more convenient on both is all
[11:37] <rjb> gatekeeper: no, afaics he wanted to query dhcp for the hostname
[11:37] <cbo> gatekeeper: i see... well in this case its preferable a console program which silently does it, c++ not the best choice i think, better bash or python
[11:37] <BKaj> running root as 32 is a little beyond my understanding
[11:37] <patch> i just want to have a dual boot, but im reinstalling windows and my current grub in on the mbr. so i want to move to a /boot partition
[11:38] <gatekeeper> cbo: I misunderstood, thought you wanted user interaction, sorry :-)
[11:38] <BKaj> it won't let me become root anyway for some reason
[11:38] <rjb> while on dhcp.. why might a dhcp server sometimes take a loooong time to respond?
[11:38] <patch> but i cant find any plain documentation on how to do this change from mbr to /boot
[11:38] <cbo> gatekeeper: any suggestion is wellcome :-)
[11:39] <trappist> BKaj: there's a 32bit chroot howto on the wiki.  I use it for mplayer, firefox, etc. because a lot of proprietary apps aren't available in 64 bit.  the chroot's very nice to have around, and worth the effort, if you're running 64bit.
[11:39] <gatekeeper> cbo: if you want it done silently a bash program would probable be best as you say
[11:40] <BKaj> patch: try GAG as an Mbr if you're trying to rescue your windows parition.... it installs on the first portion of the HDD and fins all the OSs and partitions then you have to assign them a boot # ...works well after dumpimg linux distros that strip the mbr
[11:40] <cbo> gatekeeper: anyway, i'm sure there has to be a standard way of doing this, as it seems a very common problem...
[11:41] <BKaj> thx trappist, what is chroot , anyway ?
[11:41] <furgu> cbo: what is your exact problem again?
[11:41] <furgu> cbo: prompt the user for the hostname?
[11:42] <trappist> BKaj: it's a fake filesystem where in this case you'll be filling it with 32bit libs
[11:42] <furgu> change hostname from DHCP?
[11:43] <rjb> furgu: the latter (or cbo will correct me ;-)
[11:43] <cbo> furgu: i plan to use the same hd image in several computers, i just want every pc to ask for its name at boot
[11:43] <furgu> to ask via user prompt or ask via dhcp?
[11:43] <BKaj> ok trappist, Im looking
[11:44] <furgu> ^ cbo
[11:44] <cbo> furgu: i know it can be done since install script shows me the fully qualified domain name as default when asking for 'hostname'
[11:45] <furgu> cbo: if you dont change the hostname in install does it use the DHCP given hostname for prompts?
[11:45] <rjb> cbo: it's pretty clear it can be done, the question's whether there's a package or config option that implements it
[11:45] <cbo> furgu: yes
[11:45] <patch> thanks about GAG but its not really what i want
[11:46] <furgu> cbo: so basically you want to chop off the first part of the fully qualified name to use in prompts instead?
[11:46] <patch> my real problem is that when i reinstall xp it will 'fix' my mbr and i wont be ablw to boot into kubuntu
[11:46] <patch> i know that will at /boot grub this is easier to fix
[11:47] <patch> but i cant figure out how to change
[11:47] <cbo> furgu: not exactly, it's ok to set hostname to its fqdn but each pc has to have a different name
[11:48] <rjb> cbo: look at `man dhclient-script'
[11:48] <cbo> rjb: ok
[11:48] <deemo> hey everyone, im having a slight problem getting my kubuntu installation working. when i try to resize my ntfs partition, it says "Opening /dev/hda1 as NTFS failed: Operation not supported." whats going on?
[11:48] <gatekeeper> cbo:  http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_install_DHCP_Server_for_automatic_IP_addresses_assignment How to install DHCP Server for automatic IP addresses assignment any help?
[11:49] <rjb> cbo: specifically, search fo HOOKS (upper case)
[11:49] <cbo> rjb, gatekeeper: ok
[11:49] <rjb> like, type /HOOKS in the manpage viewer
[11:50] <rjb> i believe that's what you're looking for
[11:50] <rjb> it only mentions rewriting /etc/resolv.conf when the interface goes up
[11:51] <rjb> but it could probably be customized to set the hostname as well
[11:51] <kub> hi
[11:51] <kub> good night
[11:51] <cbo> hi
[11:52] <kub> I have a wireless keyboard and I cannot use the GRUB boot menu... could I turn on the mouse, for example? any idea?
[11:52] <deemo> amnyone know whats wrong?
[11:52] <gatekeeper> that was what I was thinking
[11:52] <cbo> kub: bios settings?
[11:53] <kub> cbo: what do you mean?
[11:53] <cbo> kub: look in the bios settings for usb keyboard support
[11:53] <cbo> kub: does your keyboard work to enter the bios config?
[11:54] <kub> cbo: ok, but it's an old Pentium III... I'm not sure if that option exists
[11:54] <gatekeeper> deemo: what are you using to resize?
[11:54] <kub> cbo: no, it doesn't
[11:54] <deemo> gatekeeper, qtparted
[11:54] <kub> cbo: that's the problem, i can't use the keyboard until the SO is running
[11:54] <kub> *OS
[11:55] <rjb> ok lemme try another question
[11:55] <rjb> gmail vs. konqueror, what's your experience?
[11:56] <cbo> kub: i had a similar problem, please tell me if you can 'enter bios' with your keyboard, before grub menu appears
[11:56] <kub> cbo: no, I can't
[11:56] <Raven301> How do you set a folder up in your home dir to be shared?
[11:57] <h3sp4wn> I just use shfs
[11:57] <TheHighChild> Raven301: Shared how?
[11:57] <cbo> rjb, gatekeeper, furgu: i think hostname problem is solved with dhclient.conf, not sure yet. thanks for your help
[11:57] <TheHighChild> Raven301: Over the network or to other system users?
[11:57] <cbo> kub: do you have an standard keyboard?
[11:57] <h3sp4wn> !shfs
[11:57] <ubotu> I know nothing about shfs
[11:57] <kub> cbo: yes, an usb one
[11:57] <rjb> kub: seems you're out of luck, if you can't enter bios setup you won't be able to talk to grub
[11:58] <Raven301> TheHighChild: Over home network with linux and window machines
[11:58] <cbo> kub: your usb wired keyboard works and usb wireless does not?
[11:58] <TheHighChild> Raven301: You'll want to use Samba
[11:58] <TheHighChild> !tell Raven301 about samba
[11:58] <Raven301> thanks TheHighChild ... I'll give that a read
[11:58] <kub> rjb: yep, that's because my USB ports are disabled when the PC is booting
[11:59] <cbo> kub: i think any pIII should support usb keyboards
[12:00] <[BU] Brizz> doe anyone know how I can switch to the 686 kernel for my Pentium D?
[12:00] <TheHighChild> Raven301: There are different methods you can use to share a directory, file, or partition. You aren't limited to Samba, although that is very popular. Myself, I just mount a FAT32 partition and use it on both systems
[12:01] <gatekeeper> cbo: good luck :-)
[12:01] <Raven301> TheHighChild: ok thanks ... How do I share a folder with my two linux systems?
[12:01] <TheHighChild> [BU] Brizz: apt-get install linux-686
[12:02] <kub> cbo: ok, I'll look BIOS settings for usb keyboard support
[12:02] <kub> thank you
[12:02] <[BU] Brizz> TheHighChild: the 686 will work for the dual cores but still be x86, right?
[12:02] <TheHighChild> Raven301: Setting up a samba share will allow you to share files and folders.
[12:02] <cbo> gatekeeper: tomorrow i will work more on that, should i find how to solve the problem 'the right way' (tm) i will tell you...
[12:02] <TheHighChild> [BU] Brizz: No idea man.
[12:03] <[BU] Brizz> TheHighChild: heh k, no problem :)
[12:03] <ScottLand2> hey guys im running on LIveCD now and im at the install step 5of6 and im having some problems
[12:03] <TheHighChild> hey ScottLand2
[12:03] <ScottLand2> HAHA
[12:03] <ScottLand2> hey!
[12:03] <ScottLand2> dood i need your help
[12:03] <cbo> kub: maybe you'll have to disable usbmouse support and/or usb thumbdrive support, not sure. I had problem with some combinations, others worked ok
[12:03] <rjb> cbo: good luck
[12:03] <ScottLand2> i had to reformat
[12:04] <TheHighChild> WTF did you do ScottLand2?
[12:04] <ScottLand2> because I had to install XP
[12:04] <Raven301> TheHighChild: ok ... I have been able in the past to right click the folder and set it up to share and the folder then has a plug icon on top of the folder. It's not letting me do this
[12:04] <cbo> rjb: thanks,  tomorrow i will work more on that, should i find how to solve the problem 'the right way' (tm) i will tell you...
[12:04] <gatekeeper> cbo: look forward to hearing from you again. got to go now, like I said good luck I am sure you will sort it :-)
[12:04] <ScottLand2> and it wouldnt let me do both and i tried to use Super Grub disk or whatever and it said it cant help me
[12:04] <ghost> anybody here?
[12:04] <DaSkreech> ghost: Nope
[12:04] <ghost> i see many people
[12:04] <TheHighChild> Raven301: Honestly bud. I was just trying to point you in the right direction. I don't have any actual experience with setting up Samba shares.
[12:04] <cbo> gatekeeper, rjb, furgu: thank you all, may be next time i will appear as 'zx81'
[12:05] <ghost> i started this  app first time
[12:05] <cbo> see you in armagetron 'TIGERS NETWORK CLASSIC PLAY'
[12:05] <rjb> again, any idea why my linksys wifi box might take several *minutes* and dozens of attempts before it responds to a dhcp request?
[12:05] <Raven301> TheHighChild: Big thanks ... the read me you set will help
[12:05] <rjb> but only sometimes?
[12:06] <cbo> rjb: does it depend on the mac address of the requester?
[12:06] <rjb> doesn't seem to
[12:07] <rjb> using the same laptop, it usually responds instantly but every once in a while seems to be seriously stuck for some reason