[02:59] <daveR> Hey, I was wondering if anyone would be able to help diagnose a touchpad issue on Ubuntu 17.10 running Wayland
[17:44] <therave39> Does anyone have a few minutes to help debug an issue with a touchpad running on wayland/libinput?


[19:22] <airurando> evening
[19:22] <airurando> is everyone in here (who is interested) OK with our next team meeting being at 20:30 on 01 Aug 13?
[19:42] <mokmeister> hello everyone!
[19:46] <airurando> hey mokmeister!
[19:47] <airurando> finally get to say hi to you on irc!
[19:47] <airurando> proof there are some people active in this channel from time to time
[19:48] <airurando> :-)
[20:23] <mokmeister> Hi airurando ! Sorry, went afk almost as soon as I had typed! How are you doing?
[20:24] <mokmeister> Twould be good to see something happening in here from time to time alright!
[20:24] <airurando> he he that's the way it goes.
[20:25] <mokmeister> Congrats btw on all your hard work with the reapproval process and all that/
[20:25] <mokmeister> So what do you make of the Ubuntu Edge?
[20:25] <airurando> thanks
[20:25] <airurando> it's interesting
[20:26] <mokmeister> Signed up for one there yesterday.
[20:26] <airurando> if I had the 600 or 830 I'd go for it!
[20:26] <mokmeister> Missus was not impressed.
[20:26] <mokmeister> ;)
[20:26] <airurando> ohhh
[20:26] <mokmeister> I don't think she understands that it's more than a phone, more like a PC in your pocket
[20:26] <airurando> aye
[20:26] <mokmeister> with sapphire crystal!
[20:27] <airurando> i do hope they make it and I hope I have the funds in the future to get one
[20:27] <airurando> sapphire crystal sounds great
[20:27] <airurando> saved screens everywhere
[20:28] <mokmeister> Yes, €3M in one day is crazy, it's slowed down alot now though. Twill be hard to get to the €32M target. Hope it gets there.
[20:28] <airurando> the 600 dollar special was very attractive
[20:29] <mokmeister> It was.
[20:29] <airurando> they should so that again
[20:29] <mokmeister> I think it would help alot to do it maybe once a week
[20:29] <airurando> again i was itching to buy but funds will not allow
[20:29] <mokmeister> But even at that, €32M is alot of cash!
[20:30] <airurando> aye
[20:31] <mokmeister> one sec, back in a mo
[21:14] <mokmeister> back again
[21:14] <mokmeister> hello zmoylan
[21:14] <zmoylan> hi mokmeister
[21:14] <mokmeister> how's things?
[21:14] <zmoylan> enjoying the break in the hot weather
[21:14] <mokmeister> Yeah, it's nice alright
[21:15] <mokmeister> Been heading down to Lahinch after work most of last week, making the most of it.
[21:15] <mokmeister> Can't beat it
[21:15] <zmoylan> of course in galway it's little excessive http://www.broadsheet.ie/2013/07/23/now-you-must-pay/
[21:18] <mokmeister> Jaysus, I was just about to say that we could probably with the *bit* of rain!
[21:18] <mokmeister> Until I saw your link!
[21:18] <mokmeister> That's something else!
[21:18] <mokmeister> Nothing like that down here at the mo, even though it has gone very dark...
[21:19] <zmoylan> near 100% humidity and a bit of a cool breeze?  like squeezing a sponge
[21:20] <mokmeister> Tis humid down here too alright
[21:20] <mokmeister> Kids are complaining that they can't go to sleep.
[21:20] <zmoylan> that was when my dad would make us run around the block... :-)
[21:20] <mokmeister> hahaha!
[21:21] <zmoylan> not a subtle man, but he got results. :-)
[21:23] <mokmeister> hehe, heard a story today about a Kerry dad of old.
[21:24] <zmoylan> go on
[21:24] <mokmeister> The type who always wore the tweed cap no matter where he went
[21:24] <mokmeister> Himself and the family went down to the beach
[21:25] <mokmeister> He settled himself down on a blanket with his transistor radio and his cap to shield his eyes from the sun
[21:25] <mokmeister> while the sons ran off kicking ball around the place.
[21:26] <mokmeister> All was well til one of the lads kicked the ball off of some fellas flask and broke it.
[21:26] <mokmeister> The three sons took off towards the dad with your man chasing them, waving his fist etc.
[21:27] <mokmeister> The lads reached the dad and without him moving the cap, he said to the lads, keep running!
[21:27] <mokmeister> He had no intention of having to deal with the irate beach goer.
[21:28] <mokmeister> So the lads kept running.
[21:28] <mokmeister> Tis a better story to be told than to be written! ;)
[21:28] <airurando> sorry  I was off on bedtime duty... just catching up now
[21:28] <mokmeister> airurando: I know the score! :D
[21:31] <airurando> we had torrential downpours in athy earlier today
[21:31] <airurando> go caught in one myself
[21:31] <airurando> mokmeister: indeed!
[21:32] <zmoylan> was looking touch and go coming back from tescos on foot but it held off bar a few drops
[21:32] <airurando> hi zmoylan
[21:32] <zmoylan> hi airurando
[21:33] <airurando> and lucky bloody you!
[21:33] <mokmeister> Never really got too bad here at all.
[21:33] <zmoylan> don't worry, i was sweating enough that it might as well have being raining
[21:33] <mokmeister> Was raining back in West Clare most of the morning this morning.
[21:34] <mokmeister> Got nicely wet, was trying to deal with a cable fault and of course I'd left all my wet weather gear at home, hohum.
[21:35] <zmoylan> next few days are looking more like a normal irish summer.  http://www.yr.no/place/Ireland/Leinster/Dublin/long.html
[21:35] <mokmeister> Lesson learned for today: Never, ever leave your wet weather gear at home... ;)
[21:36] <zmoylan> in ireland always have an umbrella and a fold up rain coat to be sure to be sure
[21:37] <mokmeister> yech, don't like the look of that.
[21:37] <mokmeister> Even though I looked at the Limerick forecast, it said fair, so hopefully they'll get the rest of it wrong too... ;)
[21:37] <zmoylan> don't worry it'll rain around 0900 and 1700 to catch the commuters and be dry in between those times
[21:38] <mokmeister> hahaha, indeed!
[21:38] <zmoylan> i'm not cynical, merely predicting... :-)
[21:38] <airurando> mokmeister & zmoylan: will you be able to attend Team meeting @ 20:30 on 01 Aug 13?
[21:38] <mokmeister> It's not cynical to comment on reality as it is! :D
[21:39] <mokmeister> airurando: YEah, I don't see why not
[21:39] <zmoylan> fingers crossed airurando yes
[21:39] <mokmeister> My problem is I just forget!
[21:40] <zmoylan> twitter is your friend to remind you
[21:40] <airurando> mokmeister & zmoylan: cool.
[21:40] <airurando> nice to not talk to myself!!
[21:40] <mokmeister> I'm gonna try and make more of an effort to hang out here more often though, see if we can revive the whole thing a bit.
[21:40] <mokmeister> Don't really do twitter zmoylan
[21:40] <airurando> mokmeister: music to my ears!!!!!
[21:41] <mokmeister> airurando: Only way to be sure of intelligent conversation (to quote blackadder)!
[21:41] <mokmeister> airurando: nice one!
[21:41] <mokmeister> one sec
[21:42] <airurando> mokmeister: we try for that but i can't promise anything!!!
[21:45] <czajkowski> aloha
[21:49] <mokmeister> airurando: lol!
[21:49] <mokmeister> hi czajkowski
[21:50] <czajkowski> so I'll be in Dublin on August 14th and August 15th
[21:50] <czajkowski> on August 15th there will be a MUG on
[21:51] <czajkowski> so a mongo user grop meet up
[21:51] <czajkowski> could be fun to come along
[21:51] <czajkowski> then have some nibbles and a drink afterwards
[21:51] <czajkowski> and catch up with folks
[21:51] <czajkowski> event is open to everyone
[21:51] <zmoylan> you must clock some serious airmiles czajkowski
[21:52] <czajkowski> only travel for August is Ireland
[21:52] <czajkowski> SEptember and October will be busy
[21:55] <mokmeister> mongo is a kind of a web based type db, is it?
[21:57] <mokmeister> So where are you off to in September and October?
[22:05] <czajkowski> Berlin and italy in september
[22:05] <czajkowski> paris munich and italy in october
[22:05] <czajkowski> <-- sleep in london tomorrow which means I have to get up early
[22:06] <czajkowski> aka not 8:55am :)
[22:07] <mokmeister> Nice one. That's a fair bit of jet setting alright!
[22:08] <zmoylan> they don't do duty free anymore do they? :-)
[22:11] <airurando> czajkowski: stop teasing me.... :-)
[22:11] <mokmeister> They do do that shop and collect thing now, that's kinda cool.
[22:12]  * zmoylan breaks out harmonica and prepares to play the insomnia blues :-D
[22:12] <mokmeister> :D
[22:13] <zmoylan> reckon i'll sleep around 0400-0800 tomorrow if i'm lucky.
[22:14] <mokmeister> zmoylan: coz of the heat or are you just sleep challenged in general?
[22:15] <zmoylan> sleep challenged for past 5 years or so.  no more than 4 hours at a time and at irregular times.  usually 1-2 a day all going well.
[22:16] <mokmeister> ouch. Sorry to hear that. That must be tough
[22:17] <zmoylan> can't sleep, clown will eat me :-)
[22:18] <mokmeister> IT?
[22:18] <zmoylan> the simpsons
[22:18] <mokmeister> hahaha!
[22:19] <mokmeister> Shoulda known! :)
[22:19] <zmoylan> well it was back when the simpsons was funny so 20 years ago now
[22:20] <mokmeister> Yes, it has lost it's way a bit. Still worth watching from time to time
[22:21] <airurando> night all.  kids have had a two hour head start on me which does not bode well for tomorrow.
[22:26] <zmoylan> might try and sleep myself, might get lucky...
[22:29] <mokmeister> k g'nite! Hope you get some sleep!


[00:15] <negrito> Is there a way to remove the painel 2 in Xubuntu?
[00:16] <negrito> Oh, found it
[00:49] <no-dev> How do I format a pendrive in Xubuntu? Right clicking there is not the option...
[00:53] <warhell> unetbootin
[00:54] <warhell> http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[00:54] <Unit193> I used gparted, may be overkill but that's the best type of kill, right?
[00:55] <warhell> unetbootin is good for usb thumbdrives tho
[00:55] <warhell> yeah
[00:55] <warhell> gparted be better if ya just want to format it
[01:00] <no-dev> Xubuntu should have the option like Ubuntu, Windows...
[01:01] <no-dev> To format the drive
[01:05] <vfw> bug 950340
[01:06] <vfw> sorry, wrong channel
[01:09] <GridCube> no-dev, install gparted
[01:09] <no-dev> just did
[02:33] <hiawatha> installing xubuntu right now!
[02:34] <hiawatha> Looks like there's nobody home.  Oh well.
[03:00] <Etherael> Will there be any issue upgrading 11.04 ubuntu to 12.04 xubuntu?
[03:02] <Unit193> I'd say so.
[03:05] <Etherael> is it actually possible?
[03:08] <Unit193> You'd have to go to 11.10 first.
[03:09] <Etherael> I hear it could be as simple as apt-get install xubuntu-desktop then just take the upgrades offered in system manager?
[03:10] <Unit193> You should just type  do-release-upgrade   in a terminal.
[03:10] <Etherael> Actually I just recalled the precise reason I didn't go to 11.10
[03:10] <Etherael> it completely breaks compiz, the grid plugin no longer works.
[03:10] <warhell> ?
[03:10] <Etherael> Does anyone have 12.04 and can confirm that's fixed?
[03:11] <warhell> nah just xubuntu
[03:11] <Etherael> compiz is not available in xubuntu?
[03:11] <Etherael> just the wm
[03:12] <warhell> you  can download compiz  and install it
[03:12] <Etherael> yeah that's what I meant
[03:12] <Etherael> post 11.04, the compiz packages in ubuntu core are completely stuffed.
[03:13] <Etherael> not sure on 12.04
[03:13] <Etherael> but definitely 11.10
[03:13] <Etherael> I tried recompiling manually but that's a huge dog's breakfast for compiz and segfaults aplenty was the result.
[03:14] <warhell> i dont know much about compiz
[03:20] <DjNeoX> Hi!
[03:36] <AyaneForever> Has anyone ever used lightdm to lock the screen? I've done a some research already to use it instead of xscreensaver but I haven't found much luck. I don't really want to have a screensaver, I just want the display to power off and it be locked afterwards, preferably with lightdm since xscreensaver is really ugly. I know it's not as secure as xscreensaver if i were to do this but still I would prefer lightdm. Any thoughts? Than
[03:36] <AyaneForever> ks :)
[12:44] <cythes> Does anyone else have dvd issues in xubuntu?
[12:45] <cythes> Also brb in a few, need to reboot
[12:49] <cythes> back
[13:18] <cousteau> hmm, it looks like someone kicked his ethernet cable...
[15:19] <daniel2> hi anyone around
[15:20] <daniel2> anyone around
[15:20] <Pici> Do you have a question?
[15:20] <daniel2> yeah
[15:22] <daniel2> i'm downloading xubuntu 12.04 lts and would like to use it on an old pc as a media server! do you have any idea what i can install? i don't need to stream internet through it! but i do want it to stream music films to my ubuntu machine and at some point other machines i connect to it!
[15:24] <magnus> I take it your want it to be a dlna server?
[15:24] <daniel2> yeah although i don't know what dlna is! lol
[15:25] <magnus> its just a standard, which is getting used quite a bit. Allows other devices in the house to connect to it
[15:25] <magnus> ie ps3 etc to connect to it
[15:25] <magnus> I use a WD Mybook, but you could do the same on Linux
[15:25] <daniel2> i just want to store all my music on it and then access it to watch films and listen to music through my ubuntu pc!
[15:26] <magnus> streaming though yea
[15:27] <daniel2> yeah stream it to my other ubuntu machine to watch on there
[15:27] <magnus> I guess you still could do a dlna server, and setup serviio
[15:27] <magnus> you could use a dlna player to connect to it
[15:27] <daniel2> i'll be using eth0 to connect both computers
[15:27] <magnus> I guess others may come up with other solutions, but that one would be setting it up for the future, esp if you purchase new media centres for the televisions in your house.
[15:28] <magnus> as they'll be able to use it too
[15:28] <daniel2> i'll google serviio
[15:28] <magnus> daniel2: whatever network medium you use, does not matter
[15:28] <magnus> best of luck ;)
[15:28] <daniel2> i have read about xbmc
[15:29] <daniel2> but i don't need to stream from the internet
[15:29] <daniel2> thanks for the pointers
[15:30] <craigbass1976> daniel2, http://www.doopensource.com/applications/stream-audio-with-ubuntu/  That's a walkthrough I wrote recently.  I'm finding that Android is retarded about m3u files though.  I can listen fine on other computers and an iPad.
[15:32] <daniel2> ah thanks craigbass1976
[15:32] <craigbass1976> daniel2, I also had an easier time with alsa faders and what not with a regular computer (the headless one that's going to do the full time streaming at church) than with the laptop.
[15:33] <craigbass1976> Now I'm trying to get icecast and darkice firing up from the get go; I think the network is starting afterward, and that's why it won't start at boot.
[15:34] <craigbass1976> Anyone else...  Is there a way to make the BOTTOM corners of a window easier to grab and resize with?
[15:51] <oCean> craigbass1976: alt+rightclick and drag to resize
[15:53] <aquix> craigbass1976  I was searching for that. Do you know a good guide to stream with icecast using mixxx?
[15:57] <craigbass1976> aquix, no idea.
[15:58] <aquix> ok, no worries.
[15:58] <craigbass1976> oCean, alt_right click isn't doing anything
[15:58] <craigbass1976> aquix, what are the advantages of mixx?
[15:58] <oCean> craigbass1976: alt+right_click
[15:59] <aquix> it's like virtual dj.   you should install it and check it out. It's become an awesome program
[15:59] <craigbass1976> oCean, what's supposed to happen?
[15:59] <oCean> craigbass1976: alt+press_mouse_button makes it possible (in XFCE) to resize the selected window
[15:59] <craigbass1976> oCean, Ahhh, I get it.
[15:59] <oCean> :)
[16:00] <craigbass1976> Can't be maximized first.  How do I get vertical resizing?
[16:00] <craigbass1976> forget it.  DOH!
[16:00] <aquix> craigbass1976 hold the ALT key + middle mouse button -> then drag the window edge with your mouse
[16:00] <aquix> ah, to late :)
[16:00] <oCean> hehe
[16:00] <xubuntu914> hello. I seem to have vanished the "envelope icon" on Xubuntu 12.04. notification-applet is running on the panel though
[16:01] <craigbass1976> alt and middle mouse (pressing scroll wheel) tabs between windows for me
[16:02] <craigbass1976> xubuntu914,  is it the indicator plugin you're looking for?
[16:02] <aquix> it doesn't work if the window is maximized
[16:03] <aquix> when pressing the scrollwheel + alt       do you see an arrow?
[16:03] <xubuntu914> craigbass: probably, how do I start it again?
[16:07] <dysoco> Anyone knows how to update to 4.109 ? I added "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/mrpouit/ppa/ubuntu precise main" to my /etc/apt/sources.list but I can't use that Repo because of the GPG keys... any ideas ?
[16:08] <baizon> dysoco: open termial... then sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mrpouit/ppa
[16:09] <baizon> then it will work
[16:09] <dysoco> oh OK, the URL formatting was the problem :P
[16:09] <dysoco> thanks
[16:09] <baizon> np
[16:12] <craigbass1976> xubuntu914, I think you right click on an empty spot on the panel (the pane runs the whole width of the screen) do Panel --> Preferences, then go to the items tab,  click the green plus button, and add the indicator icon
[16:13] <craigbass1976> You have to shuffle it around after with the up and down arrow buttons to get it where you want it.
[16:39] <xubuntu914> craigbass1976, thank you very much
[16:40] <xubuntu914> and congrats to all for a very fine distro... I had checked it in an earlier version and the improvement is colossal
[19:00] <pimperle> after the upgrade from 11.10 to 12.04, X segfaults. I have a black screen but I can log into the device via ssh. What should i check first?
[19:01] <pimperle> (On a sidenote I wonder why every ubuntu release upgrade breaks at least one thing for me) :(
[19:01] <pimperle> it might be the fglrx driver i use
[19:01] <pimperle> i'll try without it
[19:10] <pimperle> why would it have 900+ upgradeable packages *after* the upgrade. I feel old. :(
[19:14] <pimperle> and it wants to uninstall 209 packages. Is there some "Debugging dpkg/apt problems" guide/howto available online?
[19:16] <baizon> pimperle: check the packages manually
[19:16] <baizon> the boot problem comes from the graphics driver
[19:16] <baizon> it was in my case
[19:16] <pimperle> yes, i removed fglrx and will try to reenable it once the package problem is resolved
[19:17] <pimperle> what do i have to check with the packages?
[19:17] <baizon> in my case the upgrade from 11.10 to 12.04 took 1200 packages
[19:17] <baizon> if you need them
[19:17] <baizon> but in the most case there arent needed anymore
[19:17] <pimperle> most of it is libs
[19:17] <baizon> but check if there are programms that you need
[19:17] <pimperle> but also virtualbox
[19:17] <baizon> pimperle: so its not a problem
[19:17] <pimperle> and I am afraid that 209 libraries missing will cause the system to fail
[19:18] <baizon> alsmost all of them are dependencies from other packages
[19:18] <baizon> pimperle: no they wont, dont worry ;)
[19:18] <pimperle> some years ago aptitude removed a bunch of packages during update and left me with a mostly unusable problem
[19:18] <baizon> aptitude != apt-get
[19:18] <baizon> and ubuntu dropd aptitude cause its for debian :)
[19:18] <baizon> ubuntu is using apt-get
[19:18] <baizon> apt
[19:19] <aquix> aptitude have it's uses, but yeah, use apt-get
[19:20] <pimperle> oh, its dropped?
[19:20] <aquix> yeah, you have to install it
[19:20] <pimperle> apt-get upgrade will update 969 packages but leave the 209 untouched and not upgraded
[19:21] <aquix> upgrading?
[19:21] <baizon> pimperle: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/06/aptitude-removed-from-ubuntu-1010.html
[19:21] <pimperle> oh, I've used it ever since and only considered apt-get when I didn't want aptitude to think for me
[19:21] <pimperle> aquix: yes, it looks as those are the packages aptitude wanted to remove
[19:21] <aquix> aptitude is good for search version and show
[19:21] <baizon> i dont trust aptitude since it broke my system once
[19:22] <aquix> well, never upgrade again. waste of time :)
[19:22] <baizon> aquix: there is a apt-show-version ;)
[19:22] <baizon> and the best way to upgrade is using update-manager
[19:23] <astraljava> pimperle: Quite possibly the rest of the packages require dist-upgrade.
[19:23] <aquix> update manager is just a gui frontend
[19:23] <baizon> aquix: yes, but it never broke my system :)
[19:24] <pimperle> I did do-release-upgrade which reported that an error had occured but wouldn't let me scroll up to see it
[19:24] <aquix> fair enough :)
[19:24] <baizon> for servers i use do-release-upgrade :)
[19:24] <pimperle> then i rebooted, uninstalled fglrx and now do-release-upgrade says theres nothing new, though aptitude reports 1200+ outdated packages
[19:24] <pimperle> so it looks like do-release-upgrade actually failed a lot
[19:25] <baizon> pimperle: apt-get upgrade?
[19:25] <astraljava> pimperle: What does `lsb_release -a` tell you?
[19:25] <pimperle> upgrade-manager fails with aptsources.distro.NoDistroTemplateException: Error: could not find a distribution template
[19:25] <pimperle> :)
[19:25] <pimperle> astraljava: precise
[19:25] <aquix> have you done clean, autoremove and autoclean yet?
[19:26] <astraljava> pimperle: Okay, and if you do `sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade`?
[19:26] <pimperle> clean i did, the rest not yet
[19:26] <pimperle> well, currently the flatmate wants to play online so i'll first have to figure how to limit apt-get's bandwidth usage. phew. but i'll find a way.
[19:27] <pimperle> now dist-upgrade runs
[19:28] <pimperle> and it doesn't seem to want to uninstall the packages aptitude did
[19:28] <pimperle> which one should i trust?
[19:28] <pimperle> i'll wait for dist-upgrade to finish though. Thanks for the help so far
[19:28] <astraljava> apt-get
[19:28] <aquix> trust apt-get
[20:32] <polskasp> hi there is a software similar to cheese but for xubuntu xfce  and without use gnome?
[20:38] <polskasp> lubuntu had a software similar to cheese and without use gnome libs   but for xubuntu i dont know it
[20:40] <baizon> polskasp: software center? :)
[20:40] <baizon> search there
[20:41] <knome> there is no "xfce webcam software" if that is what you are after
[20:41] <polskasp> and i dont know which used lubuntu, ¿which is  the name of software for lubuntu?
[20:41] <baizon> polskasp: http://wxcam.sourceforge.net/
[20:42] <polskasp> wxcam use software xfce ?
[20:43] <baizon> polskasp: it doesnt have "gnome libs"
[20:43] <baizon> its just written in c
[20:44] <baizon> but doesnt have x64
[20:44] <baizon> only x86
[20:45] <baizon> ok im gone
[20:45] <baizon> see you
[21:39] <Mike-Linux-NL> Hello everyone. SInce pulseaudio is very buggy and crashes a lot, and also crashes the volumecontrol, is there a way to move to ALSA alone?
[21:39] <Mike-Linux-NL> hotkeys are crashing to change the volume. the on screen animation works, yet the underlying volume change crashes
[21:40] <Mike-Linux-NL> sometimes, sound crashes completely.
[22:03] <acatiera> ey
[22:06] <acatiera> so.. i got a problem.. im trying to instal xubuntu on a clean computer, and at the end of installation, it told me that it falied to install gnome, and asked for a different partition, wich i chose. when i started up again, the screen just went black with a single white space blinking for a long time... any idea whats wrong or how to fix it?
[22:06] <nicklas_> hello, using sabayon and gentoo, but tired of all the work in those dists, so thinking of going back to easy to use dists, and ubuntu land is the choice for me
[22:07] <nicklas_> but, dont know how much you can change looks/panels in unity, and tired of kde. so thinking of xubuntu. but, does xubuntu come with same support for everything as ubuntu, just different apps and such. or are there less barebone packages in xubuntu than ubuntu?
[22:08] <Unit193> You can install what you want.  If you like LibreOffice better, you can just replace what's currently installed with it.
[22:08] <nicklas_> acatiera: you are trying to install xubuntu? then why does it say that it fails installing gnome? xubuntu uses xfce
[22:08] <acatiera> i dont know, and yes, im trying to install xubuntu.
[22:10] <nicklas_> Unit193: that i understand, but like, ubuntu has open source ati and nvidia drivers with mesa and 3d support right? does xubuntu have that? and does xubuntu come with the packages to run native games like quake 4, doom 3 and etqw, like ubuntu does?
[22:11] <nicklas_> Unit193: do you know how much you can change looks in unity? get no answer in #ubuntu . too flooded in there
[22:11] <Unit193> They use the exact same repo, and basically the only difference is using Xfce rather than Unity, and a couple of the default programs.  And no, have no idea what you can and cannot change in Unity.
[22:12] <nicklas_> hm ok, tahnks
[22:16] <nicklas_> compiz and emerald still in repos? do they work with xubuntu?
[22:18] <Unit193> Not sure about emerald, but compiz is.  I *think* it works, but I haven't ever used it myself.
[22:19] <_jay> hey all, on a fresh boot I get this when trying to open a folder or cd on the desktop- it takes a bit to open, but once one does there are no problems for the rest of the session. http://imagebin.org/211888  xubuntu 12.04 64 bit
[22:20] <nicklas_> ok ty
[22:20] <aquix> ld you have to compile
[22:20] <aquix> emerald
[22:20] <aquix> compiz is in the repos
[22:21] <aquix> I see there is a new thing called     zukitwo-emerald-decorators     but I'm not sure what it is. Just saw it right now
[22:23] <Unit193> nicklas_: http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1110-oneiric/ that has how to use compiz, shouldn't have changed much from Oneiric.
[22:31] <nicklas_> does xubuntu like kubuntu have extra reposes for kde and kde apps updates?
[22:31] <knome> you can use the kubuntu repositories in xubuntu too.
[22:32] <Unit193> Only Xfce 4.10, but that's not supported.
[22:32] <knome> xfce != kde ;)
[22:32] <nicklas_> lol, i know that, but i meant if xubuntu has reposes for new versions of xfce and such
[22:32] <knome> in that case, Unit193's answer
[22:32] <nicklas_> Unit193: where do you find the xubuntu reposes then?
[22:32] <nicklas_> launchpad?
[22:33] <knome> nicklas_, https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xfce-4.10
[22:33] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xfce-4.10
[22:33] <knome> Unit193, gotcha!
[22:33] <Unit193> Jink, knome ?
[22:33] <knome> jink??
[22:33] <Unit193> Jinx?
[22:34] <knome> ermm
[22:34] <knome> :D
[22:34] <nicklas_> is it stable? anyone using it?
[22:34] <ochosi> you mean xfce4-10?
[22:35] <nicklas_> yeah
[22:35] <pimperle> the control key (left) stopped working in keyboard shortcuts until I reassign them, which makes the key log as <Primary>. Is this a new, permanent behaviour and I have to change all keyboard mappings?
[22:35] <ochosi> i'm using it and haven't encountered real problems so far
[22:35] <ochosi> pimperle: yes, it's known, and not a bug
[22:35] <Unit193> pimperle: In the release notes.
[22:35] <pimperle> thx
[22:35] <nicklas_> but why didnt 12.04 ship with xfce 10? it has been out for quite a while now
[22:36] <pimperle> but there is no conversion tool?
[22:36] <knome> pimperle, no.
[22:36] <knome> nicklas_, xubuntu 12.04 was released before xfce 4.10.
[22:36] <nicklas_> oh
[22:36] <nicklas_> too bad
[22:36] <knome> nicklas_, also, to include a new xfce release in a xubuntu version, it needs to be ready quite a bit before the xubuntu release
[22:37] <nicklas_> ok
[23:07] <pimperle> what is the difference between fglrx with and without post-release updates?
[23:10] <ochosi> pimperle: well obviously one of the two gets further updates after the release
[23:11] <ochosi> pimperle: this can be good or bad, depending on your current situation
[23:13] <pimperle> ok, i'll try that one
[23:51] <uglyoldbob> im trying to install xubuntu on an epia 5000 with 256 mb ram. the live cd is slower than molasses in january. (the screen has not updated in the last 10 minutes) is this expected?
[23:54] <Unit193> 500MHz and 245M ram? I'd think it'd move before 10 minutes, but that's awefully low spec for Xubuntu.
[23:56] <uglyoldbob> i had to even wait to move the mouse (until the display quit updating)


[15:08] <lamont> remember to hand out live cds...
[15:08] <lamont> er... s/live/desktop/
[15:08] <lamont> gotta remember the new names
[15:08] <someguy> lamont, should be interesting
[15:09] <RAdams> how do I configure an ubuntu server to stop using dhcp and use manual settings I input instead?
[15:09] <lamont> RAdams: is the network-manager package installed?
[15:09] <someguy> lamont, gonna talk about the history, usage examples and landscape
[15:09] <lamont> (if so, remove that - for bonus points, it'll down your network when you remove it. FTW)
[15:09] <_ruben> edit /etc/network/interfaces if network-manager isnt
[15:10] <lamont> RAdams: then man interfaces
[15:10] <_ruben> installed
[15:10] <_ruben> :p
[15:10] <lamont> I _think_ that NM will ignore the interface if it's configured 'static'
[15:10] <RAdams> ty
[15:10] <lamont> maybe.
[15:10] <lamont> because NM knows what  you want, even when it's wrong. :(
[15:10] <RAdams> haha
[15:11] <lamont> I mean, how could you possibly want more than one interface up?
[15:11] <lamont> or one down
[15:11] <lamont> I can't remember... something to do with nuking it everytime I bump into it being stupid, instead of trying to deal with it...
[15:12] <lamont> that's one piece of code that promotes suicide
[15:12] <_ruben> heheh
[15:12] <someguy> lamont, is eBox really going to be a management front end in the future for server?
[15:12] <someguy> lamont, besides the official Landscape
[15:54] <heno> jdstrand, nijaba: have you guys tested the server install option on the general DVDs at all? there isn't a test case for it unfortunately
[15:54] <nijaba> heno: no, sorry
[15:54] <jdstrand> heno: don't have a DVD burner
[15:55] <jdstrand> :(
[15:55] <heno> they might be a bit time consuming to download at this point too
[15:55] <jdstrand> heno: I did give the latest amd64 netboot a spin this morning, and it worked fine
[15:55] <jdstrand> :)
[15:55] <heno> I'll try that as I already have the DVDs (mostly)
[15:56] <heno> some help on filling in the general ISO testing is always appreciated though https://iso.qa.stgraber.org/qatracker/build/All
[19:08] <RAdams> what's that command that tells you how much space is available in a directory?
[19:31] <hansin> Does anyone know what Python I need to install to use with FastCGI (in particular, Lighttpd's fastcgi module)?  Or can I just install regular Python (and configure Lighttpd for this) and be good?  Thanks.
[19:36] <shane_> Hey, anybody have any experience with webmin? I installed it there and I can't access it externally, while if I open lynx to https://localhost:10000 it works. I've no iptables rules. It also works from other machines on the local network. Webmin /should/ be bound to all devices. So anybody have any ideas?
[19:37] <ScottK> !webmin | shane_
[19:38] <ScottK> shane_: The bot appears to be dead or slow, but the bottom line is that webmin is not recommended as it's methods are not compatible with the way Debian systems work.
[19:38] <ScottK> So the only recommendation you're likely to get here it don't use webmin.
[19:39] <shane_> Hmm, okay then. Why is this the case? Could someone point me to a link?
[19:40] <ScottK> That's what the bot would have done if it'd been alive.
[19:40] <ScottK> The bottom line is that it's going to get you at some point.  Best not to start down that path.
[19:40] <ScottK> IIRC you end up with corrupted or broken config files.
[19:41] <shane_> Okay then. Are there any alternatives to it that are more debian-friendly?
[19:42] <ScottK> vim is my first choice, but as I undertstand it ebox is probably the Ubuntu choice.  AFAIK, soren is going to be working on getting that into Ubuntu for Hardy.
[19:45] <shane_> Thanks, ebox looks like it'll do what I need. I wish I'd heard about it before, I spent ages packaging webmin in a debian-friendly way.
[19:48] <shane_> !webmin
[19:49] <ubotu> webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system
[19:49] <ScottK> shane_: If you decide you're interested in helping with ebox packaging, testing, be sure to let soren know.
[21:07] <heno> dendrobates: have you guys done some sparc netboot installs on T2000 or so?
[21:09] <dendrobates> heno: since the RC, you mean? not yet.  Will get to it in an hour or so.
[21:10] <heno> dendrobates: ok, cool. the folks in #ubuntu-testing were wondering? ;)
[21:10] <dendrobates> heno: I'll join #ubuntu-testing and give an update in a little while.
[21:11] <heno> ok, great
[21:39] <orbstra> I am trying to install uShare, I added the repository, and when I try to install it through apt-get, I am told that I am having problems with my libc6 dependency.. Libc6 is up to date as far as I can tell.. I can paste bin the exact error if anyone is willing to look
[21:40] <fujin_> probably a different version of libc6
[21:40] <orbstra> how can I fix this?.. I am fairly a newb, srry
[21:40] <orbstra> !pastebin
[21:40] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[21:40] <fujin_> show me the error
[21:40] <fujin_> I'd built it from source if you're getting dependancy errors around libc6
[21:40] <ScottK> orbstra: You need to discuss this most likely with whoever is providing the package you are installing it.
[21:41] <fujin_> that's just me, though ;]
[21:41] <orbstra> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40972/
[21:41] <orbstra> fujin_ I have tried upgrading it too, no luck
[21:42] <fujin_> what version of Ubuntu?
[21:42] <fujin_> feisty?
[21:42] <fujin_> upgrading to libc6 >= 2.6 will probably break lots of other stuff.
[21:42] <orbstra> I beleive so
[21:43] <fujin_> believe/know?"
[21:43] <orbstra> I cannot remember if I got 7.04 or 6.something
[21:43] <orbstra> what's that command to check real quick..
[21:45] <orbstra> srry.... :(
[21:45] <ajmitch> lsb_release -a
[21:45] <orbstra> thnx.. 7.04 feisty
[21:46] <orbstra> so is there anyway I can fix this problem, I need to have 2.6 to run uShare, yet I cannot upgrade from whut fujin_ tells me.. I think
[21:47] <fujin_> it doesn't appear so, I doubt they'll put 2.6 into Feisty
[21:47] <orbstra> fujin_ thats agrivating, is there a way I can get 2.6 just for that one program?
[21:48] <fujin_> no, libc6 will break lots of stuff if you change it arbitrarily
[21:48] <fujin_> it's like, a package that *everything* is built against.
[21:48] <fujin_> the repository you're using is probably not for Ubuntu, more likely one of the newer Debian revisions
[21:48] <fujin_> or possibly Gutsy (#ubuntu+1)
[21:48] <ScottK> orbstra: Ask whoever is providing the package to build it for an earlier libc6.
[21:49] <fujin_> !package libc6 gutsy
[21:49] <fujin_> I thought that used to work
[21:49] <fujin_> !package libc6
[21:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about package libc6 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:49] <ScottK> orbstra: Usually it's just a question of building it against the different version of the library.
[21:50] <orbstra> ScottK: should I do that or just see if I can find another Upnp program to share music and videos off my server to my xbox
[21:50] <ScottK> orbstra: Up to you.
[21:50] <fujin_> gah, upnp
[21:50] <fujin_> I'm sure you can come up with a better way to share media
[21:50] <orbstra> ScottK: does anyone here have any solutions off the top of their head
[21:50] <orbstra> fujin_ with an xbox.... its tough
[21:50] <ScottK> Not me.
[21:50] <fujin_> ftp?
[21:50] <fujin_> ;]
[21:51] <ScottK> sftp
[21:51] <fujin_> can't you soft-mod Xbox's to run a debian derivative anyway?
[21:51] <orbstra> ScottK: between an xbox and my server?
[21:51] <fujin_> hell, you can probably even install nfs with a little tweaking
[21:52] <orbstra> fujin_ soft-mod = void on support... and xbox have recently found a lot of hardware overheating bugs.. I actually thought mine had one over the summer.. good thing I didn't mod it
[21:52] <fujin_> are we talking about xbox360 or xbox?
[21:52] <orbstra> 360
[21:52] <fujin_> ah
[21:52] <fujin_> I thought you were referring to an xbox.
[21:53] <fujin_> Have you tried 'gmediaserver'?
[21:53] <fujin_> gmediaserver - UPnP Mediaserver
[21:54] <orbstra> fujin_ but it comes with 30 thousand other things I don't need... is there a way to just get the UPnP feature out of that
[21:54] <fujin_> I don't know, nor do I care
[21:54] <fujin_> it probably works, whereas uShare does not
[21:54] <fujin_> i.e.; you don't have any other choices
[21:54] <fujin_> short of pulling the source to uShare, installing build-essential and building uShare locally
[21:55] <fujin_> which as I mentioned earlier is what I'd do if I came up against a libc6 binary dependancy.
[21:55] <fujin_> or I'd use a repository actually designed for the version of Ubuntu that I'm running, be it edgy, feisty or gutsy
[21:55] <orbstra> oh
[21:57] <lucasvo> hi
[21:58] <lucasvo> I have a problem with installing python-mysqldb
[21:58] <fujin_> O RLY?
[21:58] <lucasvo> I run dapper
[21:58] <fujin_> paste
[21:58] <fujin_> bin
[21:58] <lucasvo> fujin_: well, what should I paste
[21:58] <fujin_> the output?
[21:59] <lucasvo> it does install, but there's nothing in site-packages after the install
[22:00] <lucasvo> ImportError: No module named mysql.base
[22:00] <lucasvo> that's the error my python script says
[22:01] <lucasvo> fujin_: http://pastebin.com/d4c92667a
[22:02] <fujin_> sounds like fun
[22:03] <lucasvo> not really
[22:06] <lucasvo> fujin_: any suggestions?
[22:09] <fujin_> sorry, no idea
[22:09] <lucasvo> even though I do install the python-mysqldb package, the module doesn't get installed into site-packages. what am I doing wrong? I'm on dapper.
[22:10] <fujin_> sounds like dapper and python being awesome
[22:11] <fujin_> are there any other ways to install python packages? sorry I'm a perl man
[22:11] <lucasvo> fujin_: sure, no problem
[22:11] <mathiaz> lucasvo: how do you call mysqldb in your python script ?
[22:12] <lucasvo> mathiaz: it's actually django
[22:12] <lucasvo> mathiaz: but 'import mysql' from a python shell doesn't work
[22:12] <ScottK> lucasvo: Why do you expect it to be in site-packages?
[22:12] <lucasvo> ScottK: well, because I installed it!
[22:12] <lucasvo> (the .deb)
[22:12] <ScottK> lucasvo: That's not where Debian python packages install things
[22:13] <mathiaz> lucasvo: do you have a pythonX.Y-mysqldb installed ?
[22:13] <lucasvo> ScottK: yes
[22:13] <lucasvo> mathiaz: yes
[22:13] <ScottK> lucasvo: Which relase are you on?
[22:14] <mathiaz> lucasvo: try import MySQLdb
[22:14] <lucasvo> ScottK: dapper
[22:15] <ScottK> Ah.  OK.  Well for Dapper it was a mix of old and new Python policy, so that might be where it wants to put it.
[22:15] <lucasvo> ScottK: it works, but django(the pytohn webframework) needs it in mysql
[22:15] <lucasvo> can I make a symlink or something?
[22:15] <ScottK> Then that's a bug in django.
[22:16] <ajmitch> I've not seen django try & 'import mysql
[22:16] <ScottK> Probably.
[22:16]  * ajmitch checks on dapper
[22:16]  * ajmitch has a dapper install, just for special plone stuff
[22:17] <ajmitch> /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/_mysql.so
[22:18] <ajmitch> ok, python2.4-mysqldb definitely puts it into site-packages
[22:19] <ScottK> Agreed and import MySQLdb works on my Dapper box too.
[22:19] <ScottK> If something cares where the package is installed that something is IMO wrong.
[22:19] <ajmitch> lucasvo: what is django complaining about?
[22:20] <ajmitch> ScottK: django really never has cared, from what I've seen
[22:20] <soren> hansin: Did you figure out the python fastcgi question?
[22:20] <lucasvo> ajmitch: http://pastebin.com/d32262245
[22:21] <ajmitch> looks more like a possible configuration issue with django
[22:22] <ajmitch> what version of django?
[22:22] <lucasvo> ajmitch: svn, 2weeks old
[22:23] <ajmitch> right, so something probably got rearranged with the django ORM backends
[22:23] <soren> hansin: If not, python-flup is probably the answer to your prayers.
[22:23] <lucasvo> ajmitch: up to date
[22:23] <ajmitch> since the 'mysql.base' that you're referring to would be /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/django/db/backends/mysql/base.py
[22:24] <ajmitch> (assuming similar paths to .096)
[22:24] <ajmitch> s/.096/0.96/
[22:25] <lucasvo> ajmitch: that means?
[22:25] <ajmitch> why are you using svn anyway?
[22:25] <lucasvo> ajmitch: newforms and that stuff
[22:27] <lucasvo> ajmitch: you say mysql is broken in svn?
[22:29] <ajmitch> no, I'm saying that it's not python2.4-mysqldb that's the problem
[22:29] <lucasvo> ok
[22:29] <ajmitch> but a different issue in loading the django mysql backend
[22:29] <ajmitch> it at least appears to be there, so most likely an issue with the python path
[22:31] <ScottK> ajmitch: If pythonpath was a problem, import MySQLdb wouldn't work, right?
[22:32] <soren> ScottK: It seems to be django's mysql glue code that's b0rking.
[22:32] <ScottK> Sounds reasonable to me.
[22:32] <soren> not mysql itself.
[22:36] <ajmitch> ScottK: I mean that it's trying to import mysql.base, which is /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/django/db/backends/mysql/base.py
[22:36] <ScottK> I see.
[22:38] <ScottK> soren: What do we need to do to get cyrus-sasl2 added to the list of packages the server team tracks?
[22:38] <ajmitch> according to the loader code (changed a few weeks ago in svn), it should be prepending the import path first, if that fails, then it's assuming it's external
[22:38] <soren> ScottK: Just subscribe the team to the bugmail.
[22:39] <ScottK> soren: Team admin has to do that now.
[22:39] <ajmitch> lucasvo: I would suggest asking in #django, but I see you're there already
[22:39] <lucasvo> yes
[22:39] <lucasvo> ajmitch: thanks
[22:40] <soren> ScottK: Oh, right.
[22:41] <soren> The "Ubuntu Server Team" team was successfully subscribed to all bugmail in cyrus-sasl2 in ubuntu
[22:42] <ajmitch> wonderful
[22:42]  * ajmitch waits for the deluge
[22:57] <lucasvo> ajmitch: this strange error means my mysql is too outdated
[22:57] <lucasvo> :(
[22:57] <lucasvo> that means I have to upate my server to edgy
[22:57] <ajmitch> oh that's special
[22:58] <ajmitch> the code is *meant* to raise a different error if it's too old
[22:58] <lucasvo> or mysql_old does the trick
[22:58] <ajmitch> I just saw the ticket url
[22:58] <lucasvo> ajmitch: yes, it's a bug
[22:58] <ajmitch> how irritating :)


[22:41] <droid2> I am wondering where in the configuration files is where you set the  default theme the desktop manager lightdm is supposed to uses when startx? I did a find and all i have for greeter files is /etc/pam.d/lightdm-greeter nothing in there looks to be a setting for a theme like ambiance which is set by default?
[22:43] <TheMuso> droid2: Do you mean the actual greeter used, or the actual UI theme?
[22:43] <TheMuso> The UI theme depends on the greeter in use.
[22:43] <droid2> there is no greeter section in the lightdm.conf
[22:43] <droid2> by default
[22:44] <droid2> UI theme not the actual login page/session after you do that when your in the lightdm desktop manager
[22:44] <droid2> Without going thru the appearence gui
[22:44] <droid2> of the settings
[22:44] <droid2> there must be a configuration file for it some where that its held in?
[22:46] <TheMuso> Depends on the greeter.
[22:46] <TheMuso> Unity-greeter uses gsettings, and I think its theme is hard-coded. GTK greeter I think uses conf files similar to lightdm itself.
[22:48] <droid2> ok but in my cases i have lightdm so are they hardcoded or in a config file.... and if there hardcoded what is the program that sets this
[22:51] <jbicha> droid2: are you using lightdm-gtk-greeter or unity-greeter?
[22:53] <droid2> I mean i see all the themes under /usr/share/themes/ and an index.theme file for most of them but what sets the lightdm to uses one over the other i don't see anything in the config files under gnome or lightdm in /etc . And would it be under an /etc/X11 i would think it would be a configuarion file of the desktop or windows manager
[22:53] <droid2> How do i know that ?
[22:55] <droid2> I mean in the current theme index.theme file i have a line like this
[22:55] <droid2> IconTheme=ubuntu-mono-dark
[22:55] <droid2> so i am assuming maybe the ubuntu unity greeter confused
[22:56] <droid2> ??
[23:03] <droid2> humm i did search the system and all the unity i have is under /usr no config files under /etc
[23:04] <droid2> then ps -A for unity gives me http://pastebin.com/J7qH5cqk
[23:07] <droid2> Though when i man for unity i  don't get any options i can see to set this as well as  see also unity-panel-service so kind of wondering how to set the theme ?
[23:07] <droid2> And how the appearence gui dropdown box is setting this
[23:19] <droid2> http://pastebin.com/n1P0nKA0
[23:22] <jbicha> droid2: it might be easier to use lightdm-gtk-greeter if you want customization
[23:22] <droid2> so searching i do have unity-greeter but i don't have any strings like  lightdm-gtk-greeter
[23:24] <jbicha> sudo apt install lightdm-gtk-greeter
[23:24] <droid2> i just man the unity-greeter and it say's something about it is configured in the lightdm.conf file but all i see when i go to /etc/lightdm.conf file is lightdm-autologin  no greeting setting
[23:26] <droid2> I understand i can uses alternative my point is i want to beable to understand how this unity one is working ... i mean i can set it thru the appearance settings pretty easilly so kind of wonder?
[23:29] <droid2> I looked a little farther and i  did searches for lightdm only 2 programs but in the man page there was references to dm-tool so i looked there but that didn't have a setting really for the theme more for locking system , switching users,...etc
[23:32] <droid2> Also kind of confused is ligtdm part of gnome because i have /etc/gnome files as well as programs  http://pastebin.com/tXNtNkkP
[23:34] <droid2> Some of which are running like gnome-keyring ,gnome-session , gnome-termina ,...etc how can to desktop managers be running on the same computer or partially parts of each ... i don't have the gdm so its using the lightdm but still gnome-session won't it be using lightdm-session so CONFUSED
[23:39] <droid2> and yes i have unity-greeter.desktop which has the X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=unity-greater and i think this is where one set the greeter and restarts lightdm
[23:41] <droid2> But either way i think the greeters are only for login not for themes and  customization when your already logged in?


[04:16] <seyeongkim> Hello, This issue (https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1668650) is fixed on 2.4.1? I'm deploying trusty on that but failed with "trusty has no kernels available which meet min_hwe_kernel(hwe-16.04-edge)" msgs