[00:40] <Sertse> hi
[00:40] <likemindead> !hi | Sertse
[00:40] <Sertse> anyone know how to create an open in root custom action ?
[00:42] <likemindead> In *buntu, you need to use sudo to gain root access, Sertse.
[00:42] <likemindead> !sudo
[00:52] <violet523> been trying to get opengl working with my nvidia geforce fx 5200 and although /var/log/Xorg.0.log is showing no problems, gdm seems to lock up at a blank screen
[02:11] <Ochian> !pdf
[02:12] <Ochian> Awesome, but how do I read it in Firefox?  I'm tired of having to open the files separately.
[05:13] <Scutum> hello, what is the default keymap file that runs on xubuntu?
[05:23] <nic1> Hi, wat is XPending?
[05:26] <Scutum> where can I find it??
[05:29] <Scutum> how can I choose a keymap?
[05:46] <Sysi> in my menu → settings is keyboard layout, or something like that
[05:47] <Sysi> you propably could also modify xorg.conf
[05:54] <ruslan_> could anyone help me set up the extra drive i have connected to my server running ubuntu
[05:58] <Sysi> ruslan_: have you tried #ubuntu-server ?
[05:58] <Balsaq> will a dimension 8250 with 2.4g 512 256 60hd be able to run xubuntu properly?
[05:59] <Sysi> that's pretty powerful for xubuntu :P
[05:59] <Balsaq> well i was worried about the ram..the rest looks good
[05:59] <Balsaq> 256
[06:00] <Balsaq> is the 512 cache sort of like a lilextra ram?
[06:00] <Sysi> i had 256 with hardy and it was good
[06:01] <Sysi> but newer's may are bit less light
[06:01] <Balsaq> i can tbelieve this thing was ordered with a 2.4 proc and only 256 ram?  well are you good at the install of xubu, i want to throw in this beast right now
[06:02] <Balsaq> the hd is empy was wiped clean
[06:02] <Sysi> 256mb was much "in the old days" :)
[06:03] <Balsaq> this one is out of a local business was ordered in 93'
[06:03] <Balsaq> inside it is clean no dust?
[06:03] <Balsaq> just got it
[06:03] <Balsaq> 2slots open for ram too
[06:04] <Balsaq> sysi are you good on the install of xubu
[06:04] <Sysi> it's easy
[06:05] <Sysi> and there are good instructions
[06:05] <Balsaq> yeah i did my 1st ubu a couple weeks ago but i was in here getting some help too
[06:05] <Balsaq> maybe it goes in exactly like ubu
[06:06] <Sysi> if you just want xubuntu there and nothing special there's nothing complicated
[06:06] <Balsaq> well just and internet runner for now...may worry about other stuff later
[06:07] <Balsaq> they gave me an xp disc but what in the heck can ya do with xp on 256ram
[06:08] <Balsaq> or maybe when ya dont have ram it just runs on the processor and the HD?
[06:09] <Balsaq> actually it doent have a moden
[06:09] <Sysi> i've used xp with 256 but it's nightmere nowdays
[06:09] <Balsaq> i think she;ll run better on xubu dont you
[06:10] <Sysi> veery much
[06:10] <Balsaq> have to get an ethernet cord to go online but could still instaLL IT RIGHT
[06:12] <Balsaq> wonder if these old timer can be wireless
[06:25] <Balsaq> i looked at the service tag info at dell.com and i dont see how it can even be connected to the internet?
[06:26] <Balsaq> no ehternet card or 10/100 thing on the specs at dell/ isnt that standard?
[06:35] <Balsaq> sysi are you good with hardware
[06:38] <_Pete_>  Balsaq: ever thinked coming good yourself?
[06:38] <_Pete_> instead asking what others know why dont you learn yourself?
[06:39] <Balsaq> well Pete i just opened it up right here in front of me and there is nothinginher that i can see that would allow me to hook to the internet
[06:42] <Balsaq> if you prefer a silent room just let me know, not a problem, just making conversation while i try to figure this beast out
[06:47] <_Pete_> :)
[07:18] <Balsaq> _Techie_ these puters turned out to be 2.4's
[07:18] <_Techie_> not bad
[07:19] <Balsaq> doesnt say D on the sevrice tag thing at dell like yours though?
[07:19] <Balsaq> cant tell what they are doesnt say p4 either
[07:20] <_Techie_> there should be a sticker on the back with the model number
[07:20] <Balsaq> if i give you the service tag will you look at the specs dell publishes...i am looking at it now
[07:20] <_Techie_> that will tell you what to look for if you want to find the specs
[07:20] <_Techie_> yep
[07:21] <Balsaq> 72mq821....5 are just like this one and one is different
[07:21] <Balsaq> i have been studying it for an hour
[07:21] <_Techie_> umm, service tag is different from model number
[07:21] <Balsaq> i dont even see the internet connectors on it
[07:22] <Balsaq> oh its an 8250
[07:22] <_Techie_> k
[07:22] <Balsaq> but that tagat dell . com will get you it particular config
[07:22] <_Techie_> dell dimenion 8250, or inspiron?
[07:22] <Balsaq> d d 8250 yes
[07:22] <Balsaq> that tag wil l give you this exact puters specs as the company ordered it
[07:23] <Balsaq> i wrote it all down
[07:24] <_Techie_> are you able too ship one overseas
[07:25] <Balsaq> yeah but the shipping would be more than the value would cost ya a fortune i think
[07:25] <_Techie_> bugger, coz i could upgrade one of those cheaply
[07:26] <Balsaq> well check the shipping somehow they weigh 28lbs
[07:26] <Balsaq> got 6 monitors too
[07:26] <Balsaq> but they are not the new flat ones
[07:27] <Balsaq> go to dell click support see where you put in the service tag and see what these are...fat ones
[07:27] <Balsaq> but no ram??//only 256 i think
[07:27] <_Techie_> thats alright, ddr2 is cheap enough
[07:28] <Balsaq> you forgot it rdram
[07:28] <Balsaq> do you know how to look at the service code thing at dell?
[07:28] <Balsaq> these open up like a huge clam shell
[07:29] <_Techie_> im gonna have to go now, gonna watch some movies with mates
[07:29] <_Techie_> and im gonna run out of battery
[07:29] <Balsaq> have fun
[07:30] <_Techie_> i might be back later tonigh
[07:30] <Balsaq> 10-4
[07:30] <Sysi> heh, my schooloday just starts
[07:30] <Balsaq> its 230am here
[07:32] <Sysi> 09:32
[07:32] <Balsaq> heck school start at 7am?
[10:14] <MrKassner> I'm kinda new to IRC so I don't really know what I'm doing. Lol. But is anyone here? As far as I know I'm in the Xubuntu channel.
[10:15] <knome> MrKassner, yes.
[10:16] <MrKassner> Ah okay, been awhile since I was on IRC, and this program is diffrent then the last one I used so I'm having to learn allover again. Kinda quiet in here. I was hoping to find someone here to help me with a problem on Xubuntu.
[10:17] <ablomen> MrKassner, if you ask your question someone might be able to help :)
[10:19] <MrKassner> Well, it seems that my one problem I'm having no one can answer, very long story short I have a laptop that I'm using for a network bridge and nothing else on Windows 7, only problem is the laptop would overheat/freeze after a few days if not restarted, so I wanted to try making a network bridge on Xubuntu, and after trying for over a week with forums and looking on Google, still no one can tell me how to make a simple network
[10:20] <knome> MrKassner, you mean sharing network from the xubuntu pc?
[10:20] <MrKassner> I've tried Firestarter firewall, it woulden't work, installed bridge-utils but no one could tell me how to use it, and a bunch of other stuff, but no luck.
[10:20] <MrKassner> Yes.
[10:21] <MrKassner> I'm not a complete noob with Linux, but I am still rather new.
[10:21] <knome> MrKassner, at least there is this one thread where this is solved: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=91370&highlight=share+internet
[10:25] <MrKassner> Thank you for the link, I will go try this real quick, which will take me offline for a lil, when I get back I'll tell you how it went. Thanks again
[10:54] <nikolam> I have an interestin situation on my machine
[10:54] <nikolam> there are some sites I can not open in any browser but I can if I set up some proxy on internet inside a browser
[10:55] <nikolam> I tried from the other machine on the same switch and all pages oppens
[10:56] <nikolam> so, just a handfull of pages does not open
[10:56] <nikolam> everything else works,
[10:58] <nikolam> and now instantly sites opens thenselves
[10:58] <nikolam> hmm :)
[12:17] <Scutum> Hello
[12:17] <Scutum> I installed xubuntu in a Acer netbook
[12:18] <Scutum> and I have trouble with the video
[12:18] <Scutum> and stram of video doesnt play smooth
[12:35] <Dai> probably more of an issue with the platform itself than the OS
[12:54] <Scutum_> hello
[12:55] <Scutum_> I need to install the video driver
[12:55] <Scutum_> for a Acer netbook can someone please help
[13:02] <SidGBF> hi all
[13:04] <SidGBF> Does eeeXubuntu still exists?
[13:06] <knome> SidGBF, install xubuntu and use the array.org kernel == eeexubuntu
[13:08] <SidGBF> knome: See... I don't have any idea about what are you talking.
[13:09] <knome> SidGBF, i don't know if the literal "eeexubuntu" still exists, but if you install the default xubuntu and use the array.org kernel repository (see http://array.org/ubuntu/), it is practically the same as the literal "eeexubuntu"
[13:10] <SidGBF> What I was looking for was a xfce os, but I want to know if that netbook launcher works with it
[13:11] <knome> SidGBF, "netbook launcher" == ?
[13:11] <SidGBF> http://users.jyu.fi/~esheospo/random/netbook_launcher_problem.png
[13:12] <knome> SidGBF, there is always the ubuntu netbook remix.
[13:12] <knome> SidGBF, also i suppose the same packages that are used in UNR will work with xubuntu
[13:12] <knome> SidGBF, i'm not sure though.
[17:19] <pingo-> hi
[17:20] <Pres-Gas> Hey there pingo-
[17:20] <pingo-> im with a problem to mount .iso images.
[17:20] <pingo-> i get a error 'wrong fs type ,,, '
[17:21] <pingo-> im using Gmount-iso
[17:21] <pingo-> I tried to use gisomount
[17:22] <pingo-> it's says that isnt a .iso file
[17:23] <pingo-> can you help me?
[17:24] <Pres-Gas> Is it one of the *ubu isos?
[17:26] <Pres-Gas> pingo-, have you done an md5sum on it to make sure it is okay?
[17:26] <pingo-> yes
[17:26] <pingo-> this .iso
[17:27]  * genii thinks about udf vs iso9660
[17:27] <pingo-> this file I mean, I use it in windows, no problems.
[17:28] <Pres-Gas> What version of *ubu are you running, pingo-?
[17:29] <pingo-> 8.04
[17:35] <Pres-Gas> pingo-, can you mount it with something like (in the terminal) "mount -o loop -t iso9660 /path/to/file.iso /path/to/mountpoint"?
[17:35] <Pres-Gas> Put sudo in front of that
[17:36] <pingo-> 2 secs.
[17:36] <Pres-Gas> If that does not work...see if "sudo mount -o loop -t udf /path/to/file.iso /path/to/mountpoint".
[17:39] <pingo-> yup, 'mount -o loop -t udf /path....' worked!!!
[17:39] <pingo-> thanks!!
[17:39] <pingo-> :)
[17:39] <pingo-> :)
[17:39] <Pres-Gas> Okay...like genii implied udf was better, but your utility does not support it
[17:40] <Pres-Gas> pingo-, you may also want to look into fuse and see what is available with iso files there
[17:40] <Pres-Gas> !fuse
[17:49]  * genii makes more coffee
[20:48] <slow-motion> hi
[20:59] <_Techie_> !hi slow-motion
[20:59] <_Techie_> !hi
[21:00] <slow-motion> bots suck
[21:00] <Sysi> ♥ ubottu
[21:01] <genii> !♥
[21:01] <slow-motion> !hi
[22:28] <slow-motion> n8
[22:33] <pingo-> thanks for the tip, I leaving now... thx.
[23:13] <reddragonofearth> Hi everyone
[23:13] <reddragonofearth> Can anyone crash coarse me on folder sharing?
[23:24] <reddragonofearth> Im trying to share files between ubuntu and xubuntu


  I feel that I should know that name/nick?
[02:23] <crimsun> laserjock.
[02:26] <bddebian> Uh duuh
[02:26] <bddebian> I'm soo bad at associating names with nicks :-(
[02:27] <bddebian> crimsun: Did you ever get a chance to check out ivtools btw?  infinity keeps ignoring me. :-)
[02:28] <crimsun> bddebian: haven't yet; I'm finishing an edit of Jordan's packaging guide atm
[02:28] <bddebian> ah nice
[02:30] <bddebian> crimsun: s'ok, infinity says he knows the fix I guess
[02:30] <crimsun> bddebian: ok
[02:43] <rtcm> hello all
[02:44] <rtcm> I'm trying to debug a system daemon which is crashing (segv) so I'd like to get a core dump file, or in someway atach gdb to it, any ideas?
[02:45] <rtcm> btw, it crashes right at the start thus I can't "normally" attach gdb to it
[03:02] <Amaranth> what daemon?
[03:02] <Lathiat> rtcm: start it under gdb
[03:02] <Lathiat> rtcm: gdb /usr/bin/blah
[03:02] <Lathiat> run <arguments here>
[03:04] <rtcm> Lathiat: yep doing that, nevermind my sillyness :-P
[03:04] <ajmitch> Lathiat: I think I'll reconsider moving to .au ;)
[03:07] <ajmitch> impressive post to launchpad-users
[03:07] <ajmitch> the sole content of it is "Free CD's UBUNTO LINUX New Release Thanks"
[03:07] <Lathiat> ajmitch: its wet here too :)
[03:07] <ajmitch> how annoying
[03:08] <bddebian> Uh oh, ajmitch is annoyed with me again :-)
[03:08] <ajmitch> bddebian: me? never
[03:09] <jmg> anyone know how to exclude a directory from inclusion in a source package built by dpkg-buildpackage?
[03:09] <bddebian>  rm?
[03:09] <ajmitch> jmg: see dpkg-buildpackage manpage
[03:10] <ajmitch> specifically the -i option in the dpkg-source section
[03:11] <jmg> ajmitch: thanks
[03:15] <jmg> ajmitch: hmmm
[03:15] <jmg> ajmitch: how do i make that directive get obeyed by dpkg-buildpackage?
[03:17] <ajmitch> dpkg-buildpackage -i.bzr
[03:17] <ajmitch> irc
[03:18] <jmg> aha
[03:18] <jmg> now how to make that happen everytime
[03:18] <ajmitch> well I think that's what worked for me :)
[03:18] <ajmitch> type it out everytime, or use debuild & set it in the options
[03:18] <ajmitch> DEBUILD_DPKG_BUILDPACKAGE_OPTS
[03:19] <ajmitch> you don't put it in the rules
[03:19] <Lathiat> hrm, what does chmod +t do?
[03:19] <ajmitch> Lathiat: not much these days
[03:19] <ajmitch> it's the sticky bit
[03:19] <ajmitch> STICKY DIRECTORIES
[03:19] <ajmitch>        When  the sticky bit is set on a directory, files in that directory may be unlinked or renamed only by the directory owner as well as by root or the file owner.  Without the sticky bit, anyone able
[03:20] <ajmitch>        to write to the directory can delete or rename files.  The sticky bit is commonly found on directories, such as /tmp, that are world-writable.
[03:20] <ajmitch> lovely name for it
[03:20] <Lathiat> ah
[03:20] <Lathiat> where did you find that?
[03:20] <Lathiat> oh, in the man page, its just not associated witH +t
[03:38] <lifeless> ajmitch: still in .au ?
[03:39] <ajmitch> lifeless: no, been back in Dunedin for a month now :)
[03:39] <ajmitch> hi StevenK
[03:42] <StevenK> I was actually going okay with the 4th prac for SP2, until a gaggle of first years and their tutor moved into the lab I was using.
[03:43] <ajmitch> heh
[03:43] <ajmitch> sounds like the rain has stopped briefly, hopefully there's enough time for me to run back to uni
[03:44] <ajmitch> more lab demonstrating fun
[03:45] <StevenK> Heh
[05:00] <bddebian> Where the hell is everyone?
[05:00] <freeflying> bddebian: hi
[05:02] <bddebian> Heya freeflying
[05:09] <Se7h> aloha
[05:10] <bddebian> Heya Se7h
[05:13] <Se7h> hi bddebian :)
[06:23] <ajmitch> ok
[06:25] <bddebian> OK?
[06:29] <ajmitch> yes
[06:35] <Unfrgiven> does anyone know how to convert the timestamp shown in dmesg to actual time? or alternatively get the current dmesg timestamp?
[06:36] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: no, since it appears relative to system boot time
[06:38] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: really? then you would expect the first entry to be a smallish number right? what unit of measurement is it?
[06:39] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: seconds? I don't know :)
[06:39] <ajmitch> dmesg only holds a set number of messages before dropping them, that's why we have /var/log/{dmesg,syslog}
[06:40] <ajmitch> first entry here is [    0.000000]  Bootdata ok (command line is root=/dev/mapper/ubuntu-root ro quiet splash)
[06:40] <ajmitch> might be milliseconds
[06:41] <Unfrgiven> ok no probs, thanks :)
[07:18] <LaserJock> bddebian: ping?
[07:18] <ajmitch> hi LaserJock
[07:18] <bddebian> LaserJock: pong
[07:20] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch
[07:21] <LaserJock> bddebian: yes, probably a symlink would be fine until Debian/upstream fixes the problem
[07:21] <bddebian> Well I can't get it to work :-(
[07:21] <LaserJock> It wasn't too nice of upstream to hard code the directory for the help
[07:21] <LaserJock> bddebian: no?
[07:22] <bddebian> No, dh_link doesn't seem to like to symlink dirs
[07:23] <LaserJock> ok, I gotta get to bed, I'll fix it tomorrow if you don't, ok?
[07:23] <bddebian> NP
[07:23] <bddebian> BTW, also if you get a sec, check out saoimage, it FTBFSs for me
[07:24] <bddebian> Oh, Gnight :-)
[07:45] <LaserJock_away> bddebian: ok, will do - in the morning
[08:26] <dholbach> hello motu world!
[08:26] <Gloubiboulga> morning dholbach
[08:27] <dholbach> hi Gloubiboulga
[08:30] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: hey
[08:30] <ajmitch> hi dholbach
[08:32] <dholbach> hey Unfrgiven, ajmitch - i see the aussies^wkiwis are still there :)
[08:34] <ajmitch> dholbach, inciting trouble as always...
[08:36] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: i hear that then next ubuntu conference is going to be out your way?
[08:36] <dholbach> Unfrgiven: i wish i could say that - no idea, honestly
[08:36] <dholbach> with the delay of the dapper relase all the planning had to be done again
[08:37] <dholbach> so i'm afraid I can't even give unofficial hints
[08:38] <ajmitch> doesn't surprise me
[08:39] <zakame> hi all
[08:39] <ajmitch> as I'm hoping it'll fall right in the 3-4 week break I have ;)
[08:39] <Gloubiboulga> hey zakame :)
[08:39] <zakame> hello Gloubiboulga
[09:01] <Unfrgiven> whiprush: dude, ur post finally worked! p.u.c is sydnicating it well now. what was the prob?
[09:09] <Unfrgiven> Seveas: hey dude
[09:10] <Seveas> hi
[09:10] <Unfrgiven> Seveas: you had a chance to talk to lilo? :)
[09:10] <Seveas> yes, I even poked him about the cloaks
[09:11] <Unfrgiven> Seveas: did he respond?
[09:11] <Seveas> was at the end of a long conversation, had to leave
[09:12] <Seveas> apparently it slipped his mind
[09:12] <Seveas> will poke again
[09:12] <Unfrgiven> Seveas: thanks!
[10:15] <Toadstool> hi all
[10:16] <freeflying> Toadstool: hi
[10:16] <Toadstool> hi freeflying
[10:22] <Unfrgiven> Seveas: ping?
[10:22] <Unfrgiven> Seveas: in bug 38566 on Launchpad, you said that someone is already working on packaging the madwifi-ng drivers?
[10:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38566 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15 "update to madwifi-ng" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38566
[10:23] <Unfrgiven> Seveas: who is doing that? i just made packages of it myself on the weekend. perhaps i can assist the person?
[10:26] <Seveas> Unfrgiven, I heard from infinity (iirc) that there are plans to distribute it in universe since several cards need it
[10:27] <Seveas> Unfrgiven, and please apply the wext-19-compliance patch to your package
[10:27] <Unfrgiven> Seveas: well ive packaged it so i can upload it if need be.
[10:27] <Unfrgiven> Seveas: where do i get that patch?
[10:28] <Seveas> sec
[10:28] <Seveas> madwifi bug 462
[10:28] <Ubugtu> Madwifi bug 462 in madwifi: 802.11 stack "Current WEXT Standard Compliance" [Enhancement,New]  http://madwifi.org/ticket/462
[10:29] <Unfrgiven> wext19_060402.patch (17.0 kB) - added by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>on 04/03/06 05:10:19. nearly complete patch, applies cleanly to r1489
[10:30] <Unfrgiven> looks lik it was already applied to r1489?
[10:30] <Unfrgiven> ive packaged r1497
[10:32] <Seveas> it's not applied yet
[10:33] <Unfrgiven> alright. ill take a look when i get home from work.
[10:33] <Unfrgiven> im heading home now. cya later
[10:33] <Seveas> ciao
[10:33] <Seveas> I'm heading to work soon
[10:34] <MrFaber> hi all
[10:35] <MrFaber> Can please someone patch checkinstall like described in bug report?
[10:40] <MrFaber> And please fix loop-aes-source. It would be very sad if this bug comes in release.
[11:09] <zakame> hi all
[11:39] <zakame> hmm is there a bug with dh_iconcache
[11:39] <zakame> ?
[11:40] <dholbach> yes
[11:40] <dholbach> i just did an upload
[11:40] <dholbach> which bug did you spot?
[11:42] <dholbach> zakame: ^
[11:42] <zakame> dholbach: line 32, missing $tmp in -printf switch, or is that intentiona?
[11:43] <zakame> I suddently can't make the post* stuff, find says it cant find /usr/share/icons ... was doing this with darksnow last night
[11:44] <dholbach> that's for replacing, so there's /usr/share/icons/hicolor in @icon_dirs
[11:44] <dholbach> that line is good
[11:44] <dholbach> that there's no .post* that was a different bug
[11:45] <dholbach> the check if there were subdirs was wrong in dh_iconcache - i moved it to the post*
[11:45] <dholbach> that should be fine now
[11:47] <dholbach> i just did the upload in ubuntu8
[11:47] <dholbach> so it might take some time until it's at your end
[11:47] <dholbach> i can upload the deb if you like
[11:47] <dholbach> to test it
[11:48] <dholbach> zakame: it's at http://daniel.holba.ch/ubuntu/
[11:48] <zakame> cool! thanks =)
[11:49] <dholbach> thank you for taking it seriously
[11:49] <dholbach> and i'm sorry for the bug I introduced
[11:49] <dholbach> but it should be better now and even clean the cache if there's nothing left
[11:50] <dholbach> :-D
[11:50] <zakame> I hope to finish half of the list before thursday
[11:51] <dholbach> some might need a rebuild because of my stupidity
[11:51] <dholbach> but i'll check all of them for release again
[11:51] <dholbach> so just keep on going
[11:51] <zakame> thanks again! =)
[12:50] <adn> hi
[12:50] <adn> who did I talk to last time I came about vlc? :)
[12:51] <adn> Toadstool: help me! :)
[12:51] <adn> G0SUB_: was it you?
[12:51] <Toadstool> hi adn :)
[12:51] <adn> G0SUB_: yes, it was you :)
[12:52] <adn> Toadstool: well, I've built a vlc package for dapper, if someone is interested
[12:52] <adn> (with less than 60M diff with Debian's version :p)
[12:54] <Toadstool> adn: svn version?
[12:55] <adn> last -test2 version
[12:55] <adn> and I think I'll be ready to get a 0.8.5-final version as soon as it is released
[12:55] <adn> (in about 2 weeks)
[12:56] <adn> test2 was released around one week ago, I think
[12:58] <Toadstool> adn: for new upstream versions of a package, we must follow https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-February/000545.html as we are in UpstreamVersionFreeze
[01:00] <adn> cassidy: hello, sorry to bother you, but do you know someone called quentin baire?
[01:01] <cassidy> adn: no. I should ?
[01:01] <jmg> what was the keyring email for revu again?
[01:01] <adn> cassidy: nono
[01:01] <ajmitch> jmg<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:02] <adn> cassidy: it is a friend of mine who is student in a physics lab at ulb
[01:02] <jmg> hi ajmitch :)
[01:02] <jmg> i exported my secret key
[01:02] <ajmitch> evening jmg
[01:02] <adn> so I wondered if physInfo was the one :)
[01:02] <cassidy> adn: no, i don't know him :)
[01:02] <infinito> is it possible to remove an application from REVU?
[01:02] <ajmitch> infinito: yes, ask us :)
[01:03] <infinito> ajmitch: gcfilms is no longer needed on revu, as it is synced from debian
[01:03] <ajmitch> ok
[01:03] <ajmitch> infinito: it's in the archive section
[01:04] <ajmitch> generally we don't remove completely
[01:04] <Unfrgiven> infinito: hey dude
[01:06] <infinito> ajmitch: sorry, i didnt realize it was in archived... anyway, that pkg was never used
[01:08] <Unfrgiven> infinito: were you working on madwifi-ng pacakges?
[01:08] <infinito> Unfrgiven: no, i don't
[01:09] <adn> Toadstool: I don't think I'll move myself to make an exception
[01:09] <adn> Toadstool: I'll see for the next version of ubuntu
[01:09] <adn> well, thanks, I have to leave :)
[01:13] <Unfrgiven> infinito: ok no probs :) i'll just continue on my packages then
[01:14] <infinito> Unfrgiven: maybe you were thinking on infinity...
[01:15] <Unfrgiven> infinito: yeah i was told infinity and i thought the name must be a typo :)
[01:37] <ajmitch> hm, TB meeting in the morning
[01:37] <ajmitch> I guess I could get up in time for this one
[01:45] <tseng> hi ogra
[01:45] <ajmitch> hi ogra
[01:48] <jmg> TB?
[01:48] <jmg> Team Building?
[01:48] <Gloubiboulga> jmg, Technical Board
[01:48] <jmg> ubuntu tech board?
[01:48] <jmg> where is the meeting held?
[01:48] <tseng> #ubuntu-meeting
[01:48] <Gloubiboulga> on #ubuntu-meeting
[01:57] <tseng> dholbach: gnome 2.14.1, *hug*
[01:57] <dholbach> tseng: working on it :)
[01:58] <tseng> i see :)
[02:50] <zakame> hi
[03:21] <Unfrgiven> what does it mean when patch says something like "hunk succeeded with fuzz"?
[03:22] <Unfrgiven> does it mean that it all worked ok? or do i need to inspect the changes?
[03:22] <kelmo> fuzz could be indicator of a patch gone wrong
[03:22] <kelmo> check fuzzy patches, always
[03:22] <Unfrgiven> check it just around the fuzz or the rest of the patch too?
[03:23] <kelmo> where the fuzz is, in particular
[03:23] <Unfrgiven> cool, it looks fine. the patch applied successfully. thanks
[03:30] <tuxmaniac> Can someone tell me who is taking care of #6266 ticket
[03:31] <Hobbsee> bug 6626?
[03:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 6626 in rhythmbox "rhythmbox: an album added to the queue plays out of order" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6626
[03:31] <tuxmaniac> no 6266
[03:31] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: hi
[03:31] <Hobbsee> hi Tm_T
[03:31] <Tm_T> bug 6266
[03:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 6266 in xcircuit "xcircuit version is old" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6266
[03:31] <Hobbsee> bug 6266
[03:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 6266 in xcircuit "xcircuit version is old" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6266
[03:32] <Hobbsee> oops...
[03:32] <tuxmaniac> yes
[03:32] <Tm_T> =)
[03:32] <Tm_T> xcircuit?
[03:32] <tuxmaniac> Ubugtu: yes
[03:32] <tuxmaniac> Tm_T: yes
[03:32] <Tm_T> tuxmaniac: what's that
[03:32] <tuxmaniac> Tm_T: Its a Software for designing Circuits [Electronics]
[03:32] <Tm_T> aah
[03:32] <Tm_T> hey!
[03:33] <Tm_T> looks good
[03:34] <Tm_T> why I haven't seen this before :o
[03:34] <ajmitch> tuxmaniac: I'd say noone is
[03:34] <tuxmaniac> ajmitch: I just wanted to confim this so that I can try to do something about it..
[03:35] <Tm_T> hehe
[03:35] <tuxmaniac> ajmitch: Tm_T : it is useful for Hardware Software Guys
[03:36] <Tm_T> like me
[03:37] <tuxmaniac> Tm_T: Which Software u use to flash AVR Chips?
[03:38] <Tm_T> tuxmaniac: well, no success yet in Linux, so codevisionavr in windows
[03:38] <tuxmaniac> :(
[03:39] <Tm_T> we spent one day with one pro trying to flash in Linux... 5min with CVavr and whoo, done
[03:40] <tuxmaniac> Is there no software in linux for flashing AVRs?
[03:40] <tuxmaniac> I mean with proven success?
[03:41] <Se7h> whats avr ?
[03:41] <tuxmaniac> its a microcontroller
[03:41] <tuxmaniac> Se7h: Microcontrller
[03:42] <tuxmaniac> Tm_T: Did u ry avrdude
[03:42] <tuxmaniac> Did you try avrdude
[03:43] <Tm_T> hmm, not sure
[03:43] <Tm_T> I think yes
[03:43] <tuxmaniac> Tm_T: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7289
[03:45] <Tm_T> ugh
[03:45] <Tm_T> thanks
[04:52] <bddebian> Heya Gang
[04:59] <Yagisan> G'day bddebian
[04:59] <bddebian> Howdy Yagisan
[05:01] <Yagisan> bddebian: hows your day been ?
[05:03] <bddebian> Yagisan: Not bad since I just woke up. :-)  You?
[05:17] <Yagisan> bddebian: exhausted. I spent all day doing my work, and all the cooking, cleaning, and childminding - and it still isn't finished
[05:18] <bddebian> It NEVER is :-)
[05:28] <Spec> Is it possible to get the '.changes' file from a package in the ubuntu repository?
[05:34] <slomo_> Spec: no... why would you want it?
[05:36] <Spec> I wanted to test this local apt repository i'm setting up for someone else
[05:36] <Spec> but I need a program and a .changes file to use dput
[05:36] <slomo_> create one yourself :)
[05:36] <slomo_> dpkg-buildpackage or debuild creates one for you
[05:37] <slomo_> (well, dpkg-genchanges to be exact)
[06:21] <bddebian> OK Oh MOTU Gods, how can I symlink dirs?  dh_link doesn't seem to like it..
[06:48] <crimsun> FunnyHat_Work: no, that's very much a debhelper question, which is on-topic here.
[06:50] <FunnyHat_Work> crimsun, Ahh ok.  I had thought this was mainly for packaging and repository discussion.
[06:50] <bddebian> Heya crimsun
[06:51] <crimsun> FunnyHat_Work: it is, and that's a packaging question :)
[06:51] <crimsun> bddebian: heya
[06:51] <bddebian> OK, I know someone told me this already but how can I add an icon file to a package without regenerating the orig.tar.gz?
[06:54] <azeem> bddebian: put it in the .diff.gz
[06:55] <azeem> i.e. somewhere in debian/ and install it in the install: target or via dh_install (unless it doesn't set --srcdir=debian/tmp)
[06:56] <FunnyHat_Work> I'm so nub  :)
[06:58] <bddebian> azeem: That's what I'm trying to do but I get "unrepresentable changes to ..." problems :-(
[06:58] <azeem> bddebian: you need to uuencode binary data in patches
[06:58] <azeem> and thus also in .diff.gz
[06:59] <bddebian> Oh ugh
[07:14] <ivoks> anyone here? any MOTU :)
[07:14] <bddebian> Yo
[07:14] <ivoks> ou! :)
[07:14] <dholbach> heya!
[07:14] <ivoks> one quick q.
[07:15] <ivoks> i have new wifi-radar (mostly bugfixes)
[07:15] <ivoks> i would like to upload it
[07:15] <ivoks> but i'm not sure should i ask for UVF exception
[07:15] <ivoks> or just upload
[07:15] <ivoks> it is a new version, not new revision
[07:15] <crimsun> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-February/000545.html
[07:16] <ivoks> oh, thanks
[07:17] <ivoks> great procedure
[07:17] <ivoks> so, how are you guys?
[07:21] <crimsun> ivoks: busy as always. How's the work going?
[07:22] <ivoks> don't ask :(
[07:22] <ivoks> i got 20kg in 4 months
[07:22] <ivoks> that's 1/4 of my weight before i got job at redhat partner :)
[07:22] <ivoks> from 80kg to 100kg :)
[07:35] <cbx33> in malone, is a debdiff classed as a patch?  - when it says tick this box if it's a patch?
[07:35] <crimsun> yes.
[07:35] <crimsun> (you can apply a debdiff, so it must be a patch)
[07:36] <cbx33> ok
[07:36] <cbx33> LaserJock said to assign it the motureviewers then
[07:36] <cbx33> not motu-reviewers
[07:36] <cbx33> did i get the spelling right there?
[07:37] <LaserJock> yep
[07:37] <cbx33> thanks LaserJock
[07:37] <cbx33> did you get my pm?
[07:38] <cbx33> what do i change the status to?
[07:38] <cbx33> In Progress
[07:38] <cbx33> ?
[07:38] <cbx33> it was Confirmed
[07:39] <LaserJock> cbx33: no, I don't think I got the pm. Yeah, In Progress works
[07:39] <LaserJock> crimsun: how is the packaging guide reviewing going?
[07:40] <crimsun> LaserJock: I'm 50% finished with generic/packagingguide/C/basic.xml
[07:40] <crimsun> that should be the bulk of it
[07:40] <LaserJock> crimsun: cool
[07:41] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:45] <cbx33> w00t
[07:45] <cbx33> first bug submitted
[07:45] <LaserJock> what to go cbx33!
[07:46] <cbx33> you didn't get my pm about my other bug?
[07:47] <cbx33> resent
[07:48] <bddebian> dpatch can work without a 00list?
[07:48] <cbx33> looks like it
[07:49] <Gloubiboulga> bddebian, 00list is needed I think
[07:49] <cbx33> well a package I'm working on doesn't have one
[07:49] <cbx33> what do i do...
[07:50] <bddebian> cbx33: Neither does qgis afaict
[07:50] <cbx33> i have to add a patch that modifies something a previous patch does
[07:50] <cbx33> is that ok?
[07:56] <Gloubiboulga> I'd modify the patch, but I'm not sure that's the good way to do this
[07:56] <cbx33> what's the good way
[07:56] <cbx33> :p
[07:57] <cbx33> it' difficult
[07:57] <cbx33> i have to apply the patch and then create a new patch from that source :S
[07:57] <cbx33> you're right not good....either...this is quite a mess...
[08:07] <cbx33> anyideas?
[08:28] <kiko> hello sacred MOTU hackers
[08:28] <kiko> I see, ignoring me
[08:29] <bddebian> Hello kiko
[08:29] <kiko> how's it going
[08:30] <bddebian> Busy :-)
[08:31] <bddebian> OK, gotta take the kids to the park, later gang
[08:31] <kiko> I'm looking for a motu who can give gtimelog some loving!
[08:32] <kiko> normally ajmitch takes pity on me
[08:33] <kiko> but today it seems that the world is busy watching iran
[08:38] <Lure> can somebody remind me how to add additional repo to dapper pbuilder - OTHERMIRROR did not help
[08:39] <Spec> slomo_: thanks
[08:46] <Lure> solved - sudo pbuilder update --override-config
[09:54] <cbx33> boo ya :p - he's back
[10:13] <cbx33> when i do an apt-get remove on a package it tries to remove ubuntu-desktop I know this isn't desirable...where would the problem lie?
[10:13] <Kyral> ubuntu-desktop depends on it
[10:13] <Kyral> enough said
[10:13] <crimsun> ubuntu-desktop is fine to remove. It eases dist-upgrades between released Ubuntu versions, though, which is why you'd want to have it installed.
[10:13] <cbx33> no it doesn't
[10:14] <cbx33> ah i see
[10:14] <LaserJock> cbx33: there is a Technical Board meeting going on in #ubuntu-meetings if you want to take a peak at the proccess
[10:14] <Kyral> in a nutshell
[10:14] <cbx33> oooh yes
[10:14] <Tm_T> ubuntu-desktop contains only dependencies
[10:14] <cbx33> thanks LaserJock
[10:14] <Kyral> the -Desktop packages exist to pull in the things installed normally with the respective variants
[10:15] <Kyral> and when new things are added to the default installs, they get added to the -Desktop package
[10:15] <cbx33> i see
[10:16] <Kyral> you can remove the -Desktop packages fine, and the software will continue to upgrade. What purpose the -Desktop packages serve once installed is to keep a "standard" set on the computer
[10:16] <cbx33> so, anyone got any advice on my little problem with a package I'm trying to fix...
[10:16] <Kyral> frankly I dislike the entire concept....
[10:16] <cbx33> i need to patch a patch :p
[10:17] <LaserJock> Kyral: what would you do instead?
[10:17] <Kyral> I use Arch now :P
[10:18] <Kyral> On my laptop I keep Xubuntu-Desktop around just because I haven't removed anything that it depends on
[10:18] <Kyral> On my server, well that is 4 systems in one, so it doesn't really apply
[10:19] <Kyral> and it runs headless anyway, so the point is moot
[10:20] <Kyral> the Server is Xen Breezy (so that means custom compiled Kernels and Xen) and otherwise is stripped down like crazy
[10:23] <LaserJock> I found a bunch of qemu images for various distros, I was thinking of trying a few out
[10:23] <cbx33> qemu is ok
[10:24] <cbx33> LaserJock, would it be better to patch a patch, or modify the existing patch
[10:24] <LaserJock> depends on the amount of changes
[10:24] <LaserJock> I would guess
[10:24] <cbx33> it's only one line modification
[10:25] <cbx33> the change last made to port to ubunutu actualy broke the package
[10:26] <LaserJock> cbx33: and it is in the realm of the patch? generally we seperate patches if they are for different purposes or different files for instance
[10:26] <cbx33> it is a line which is changed in the patch
[10:27] <cbx33> it was put move file locations
[10:27] <LaserJock> oh, then for sure patch the patch
[10:27] <cbx33> just mod the patch?
[10:27] <cbx33> or create a whole patch for it?
[10:27] <cbx33> if so how does that work even :p
[10:36] <LaserJock> cbx33: is it a dpatch patch?
[10:36] <cbx33> i don;t think so.,,,
[10:36] <cbx33> it has not dpatch header
[10:36] <cbx33> and no 00list
[10:36] <LaserJock> k
[10:36] <LaserJock> then you probably need to redo the patch
[10:37] <cbx33> ok, i think I can just modify one line in the patch file
[10:37] <cbx33> and rebuild
[10:38] <cbx33> is that a valid method?
[10:40] <LaserJock> well, it depends on if it works ;-)
[10:40] <cbx33> I'm sure it will
[10:40] <LaserJock> patches usually don't work too well if you edit them by hand
[10:40] <cbx33> I'll try it
[10:58] <bddebian> OK, folks, what have I missed? :-)
[11:08] <dholbach> night guys
[11:08] <LaserJock> cya dholbach
[11:08] <dholbach> night LaserJock
[11:19] <bddebian> dpatch is just dpatch apply-all?
[11:21] <JohnnyMast> Natja ik zou je connectie eens checken :)
[11:22] <Natja> JohnnyMast: huh ?
[11:22] <JohnnyMast> you heared me
[11:23] <Natja> well, not really
[11:24] <JohnnyMast> your from the france part of belgium ?
[11:25] <hub> JohnnyMast: there is no france part in belgium
[11:25] <JohnnyMast> there is
[11:25] <hub> france and belgium are 2 different countries
[11:26] <JohnnyMast> no im talking about the france language
[11:26] <JohnnyMast> wich belguim is split up in dutch and france
[11:26] <Natja> do you mean french language ?
[11:27] <Natja> anyway, you said "Natja I will check your connection"
[11:27] <Natja> but I don't understand why
[11:27] <hub> JohnnyMast: split?
[11:28] <hub> you mean the fact that there is a bilinguism>
[11:28] <hub> which has nothing to do with france
[11:28] <hub> fortunately
[11:28] <Natja> hub: exactly
[11:29] <hub> leave the French were they are :-)
[11:29] <JohnnyMast> lol im not talking about the ppl
[11:30] <JohnnyMast> the language
[11:30] <hub> france is not a language
[11:30] <hub> it is a country
[11:30] <JohnnyMast> frensh
[11:30] <JohnnyMast> what ever
[11:30] <JohnnyMast> :p
[11:30] <JohnnyMast> but dutch powns belgium
[11:31] <crimsun> bddebian: in what context?
[11:31] <JohnnyMast> like back in the old days when we learned them how to speak dutch
[11:31] <bddebian> crimsun: qgis has .dpatch files in debian/patches but doesn't run them apparently
[11:31] <bddebian> crimsun: Though in includes dpatch.mk in rules
[11:31] <crimsun> bddebian: hmm, are they stated in debian/patches/00list ?
[11:32] <bddebian> crimsun: There was no 00list.  I just added one for my dpatch but still if I do debian/rules patch, I get nothing :-(
[11:35] <crimsun> bddebian: does it include both /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/dpatch.mk and /usr/share/dpatch/dpatch.make ?
[11:36] <ajmitch> morning
[11:36] <bddebian> No, just /usr/share..  It is not a cdbs package afaict
[11:36] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[11:41] <crimsun> oh, sorry, I just assumed it was using cdbs
[11:42] <crimsun> 'morning, ajmitch
[11:51] <bddebian> Can't I just do dpatch apply-all or some such?


[11:46] <johnmce> Hi, I'm upgrading my test openstack installation to Juno, and I'm stuck at trying to get Keystone re-installed. Having failed to update the existing Keystone LXCs in place, I decided to scrap them a create a couple of replacements.
[11:46] <johnmce> In my config file I'm specifying "openstack-origin: 'cloud:trusty-juno'". Keystone fails to install in the new LXC container. The first error I dealt with was "juju-log FATAL ERROR: Could not determine OpenStack codename for version 2014.2.
[11:47] <johnmce> I worked around this with an "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; add-apt-repository -y cloud-archive:juno; apt-get update"
[11:48] <johnmce> however, I'm now getting this error: juju-log FATAL ERROR: Invalid Cloud Archive release specified: trusty-juno
[11:48] <johnmce> I've tried googling that error, but I'm not finding any answers. Can anyone offer any advice?
[12:34] <johnmce> Further to my earlier question, (using Juju and MAAS) when I add keystone, thus spawning LXC containers, how is it that the "/var/lib/juju/agents/unit-keystone-0/charm/hooks/charmhelpers/contrib/openstack/utils.py" file contains no reference to Juno whatsoever, when the same file in the charm I'm using does contain references to Juno?
[12:34] <johnmce> How is it that an older version (icehouse) of this file is being used?
[14:24] <jesk> hi
[14:25] <jesk> did a fresh 14.04 installation with maas and juju 1.20.11 from paa
[14:25] <jesk> i tried bootstrapping with juju bootstrap --upload-tools --debug
[14:25] <jesk> two thing I encountered are that /var/lib/juju/nonce.txt is missing so that i have to manually login on the node and create it
[14:26] <jesk> the next problem I couldnt fixed yet is that:
[14:26] <jesk> 2014-11-08 15:14:24 ERROR juju.cmd supercommand.go:323 exec ["start" "--system" "juju-db"]: exit status 1 (start: Unknown job: juju-db)
[14:26] <jesk> 2014-11-08 12:39:19 ERROR juju.provider.common bootstrap.go:122 bootstrap failed: subprocess encountered error code 1
[14:26] <jesk> Stopping instance...
[14:26] <jesk> any help appreciated
[15:38] <jose> anyone else having troubles with ec2?
[15:43] <jrwren> what kind of ec2 troubles?
[15:55] <jose> jrwren: I'm getting the following:     agent-state-info: 'cannot run instances: No default subnet for availability zone:
[15:55] <jose>       ''us-east-1e''. (InvalidInput)'
[16:07] <jose> jrwren: any ideas about what may be going on?
[16:38] <jrwren> jose: yes. A bug was recently closed on that.
[16:38] <jrwren> jose: check your VPC
[16:38] <jrwren> jose: make sure you have a subnet for us-east-1e in your default VPC
[16:39] <jose> jrwren: there was no subnet for us-east-1e, but I created it and it's still giving me the error
[16:39] <jrwren> jose: did you remove the machine and add a new one?
[16:39] <jose> jrwren: yep. lemme destroy my env and re-bootstrap
[17:00] <tvansteenburgh> jose: axw told me you can work around that bug by deleting the default VPC in your region (assuming you don't need it); beware that it can't be undone w/o help from AWS support)
[17:00] <tvansteenburgh> jose: or wait for 1.21 beta1 which will contain the fix
[17:00] <jose> tvansteenburgh: I was trying to run some tests and I can only create 3 machines (machine 0 and two services), so I guess I'll have to wait
[17:01] <jose> now, what happens if I delete my VPC? supposedly I won't be able to create machines
[17:03] <jrwren> yeah, I don't recommend deleting the default VPC
[17:04] <jrwren> I deleted mine and I couldn't create machines.
[17:04] <jrwren> I don't know how to tell juju to use a non default FPC
[17:06] <jose> I hope 1.21-beta1 is released soon. kinda annoyinh
[17:06] <jose> annoying*
[17:07] <tvansteenburgh> supposedly coming early next week
[17:14] <jose> cool then. will hold my tests.
[17:29] <jrwren> jose: did you get the error again?
[17:29] <jose> jrwren: bleh, bundletester paused waiting for me to input my password for 00-setup and I didn't know
[17:30] <jose> it's running now, let's check...
[17:32] <jose> jrwren: same error
[17:35] <jrwren> jose: same AZ?
[17:35] <jose> jrwren: yep
[17:35] <jose> us-east-1e
[17:37] <jrwren> i moved to us-west-2
[17:38] <jrwren> but it sure would be nice to find a better work around.
[17:42] <jrwren> jose: do you have awscli at your disposal?
[17:42] <jrwren> jose: apt-get install awscli and then aws configure and use same creds as that juju environment.
[17:43] <jose> ack!
[17:43] <jrwren> jose: if you could do that and pastebin the output of aws ec2 describe-subnets
[17:46] <jose> jrwren: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8887559/
[17:55] <jrwren> jose: well heck is if I know. it says there us-east-1e subnet has 4000+ available.
[17:55] <jose> yeah, I'll have to wait until 1.21-beta1 :P
[17:55] <jose> thanks for your help, though! :)
[18:33] <johnmce> Further to my earlier question, (using Juju and MAAS) when I add keystone, thus spawning LXC containers, how is it that the "/var/lib/juju/agents/unit-keystone-0/charm/hooks/charmhelpers/contrib/openstack/utils.py" file contains no reference to Juno whatsoever, when the same file in the charm I'm using does contain references to Juno?
[18:36] <johnmce> Can anyone point me in the direction of any documentation that explains how my target LXC machine receives the charm, so that I can work out where on earth it's getting this outdated charm from?


[03:36] <beuno> who's feeling like reviewing a story in the queue for me?
[03:51] <beuno> nixternal, you look nice this evening  :D
[09:43] <Rinchen> mdke, I might have been a bit harsh in that loco reply. I hope not
[09:46] <mdke> Rinchen: I'll read it and see
[09:48] <mdke> Rinchen: phew, I thought you were gonna be harsh on me; I agree with you
[09:49] <Rinchen> hehe
[09:49] <Rinchen> Yeah we don't often agree on ideas or methods. You and Corey tend to be a lot a like and for some reasons I am different.
[09:49] <Rinchen> in this case, I very strongly agree with your point
[09:50] <mdke> I almost always disagree with Corey :)
[09:50] <Rinchen> ok, then I don't feel so bad then
[09:50] <Rinchen> I almost always disagree with Corey too :-)
[09:51] <Rinchen> I've been quoted as saying "Call the Guiness book folks. I agree with Corey."
[09:52] <Rinchen> all kidding aside, I actually like when folks disagree. It points out to me that I need to think about something further.
[09:56] <mdke> yes, that's right
[10:14] <Rinchen> mdke, fwiw, I was using the voting concept to see if there was some sort of consensus.  I needed a way forward quickly.
[10:15] <Rinchen> mdke, I don't know how to easily show consensus via email with out a tally of sorts to make it completely obvious
[10:16] <mdke> appreciated
[10:16] <mdke> however, consensus is something that can only really arise out of discussion, it's difficult to get with everyone answering the same email
[10:16] <mdke> but I understand where you're coming from
[10:16] <mdke> no biggie
[10:17] <Rinchen> I thought I'd try something new. :-)  Last year's "discussion" sort of stalled in a stalemate of sorts.
[10:17] <Rinchen> I've got funding and a body and I am to use him to fix the Fridge :-)
[10:18] <Rinchen> s/am/aim
[10:18] <mdke> funding eh; you're good
[10:26] <PriceChild> Silly question... any easy way to get evolution to "watch" the fridge's even ical, rather than just one time imports?
[10:27] <mdke> no idea here; has google revealed anything?
[10:28] <PriceChild> nope :(
[10:29] <mdke> it works in my newsreader
[10:29] <PriceChild> yeah rss is fine for that
[10:29] <PriceChild> ah well was worth a try :)
[10:30] <Rinchen> evo is broken too PriceChild
[10:30] <Rinchen> the same malformed content affecting google affects evo
[10:30] <Rinchen> bug filed
[10:30] <Rinchen> with luck, fixed tomorrow afternoon
[10:30] <PriceChild> Thanks :)
[10:35] <Rinchen> PriceChild, thank me when it's fixed :-)
[10:35] <PriceChild> hehe
[10:37] <PriceChild> uuuu...
[10:37] <PriceChild> /usr/lib/evolution-webcal/evolution-webcal http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event/ical/all/all
[10:38] <PriceChild> *seems* to work...
[10:39] <PriceChild> mmm maybe not... hmm
[10:41] <PriceChild> I think it does :)
[10:44] <PriceChild> *is slightly happier now8
[12:00] <jenda> Rinchen: oi
[12:00] <jenda> are you around?
[12:00] <Rinchen> indeed
[12:01] <Rinchen> how goes it Jenda
[12:01] <jenda> aloha :)
[12:01] <jenda> not bad
[12:01] <jenda> well, pretty bad :D
[12:01] <jenda> but never too bad ;)
[12:02] <Rinchen> lol
[12:02] <Rinchen> school?
[12:02] <jenda> Rinchen: one very quick question - is there a way to find out if Shipit has any leftover Feistys?
[12:02] <jenda> (as in, find out, quick ;))
[12:03] <Rinchen> yes and we do, especially 64 bit
[12:04] <jenda> [and yep, school - just made my _last_chance_ attempt at Czech legal history today - if I fail, it'll shift my upcoming study-years significantly :-/)
[12:04] <jenda> s/)/] / :)
[12:04] <Rinchen> You should request then before next wed btw.  https://shipit.ubuntu.com/
[12:04] <jenda> ok
[12:04] <Rinchen> ship it changes soon for gutsy
[12:05] <jenda> of course
[12:06] <jenda> There's a conference in a town in CZ, organised by... well... Mandriva :), but the folks there always hand out a ton of Ubuntu CDs if we supply them
[12:06] <Rinchen> #launchpad is probably the best place to ask this in the future in case I'm not around
[12:06] <jenda> ok
[12:07] <Rinchen> sweet...free cds!
[12:07] <jenda> Actually, I entered #bzr for that - I always get those two chans confused, because they are nearly identical as far as users go ;)
[12:07] <jenda> hehe
[12:08] <jenda> bah - linux conference people aren't all that psyched about free CDs, usually, you know ;)
[12:09] <jenda> Rinchen: we'll order (or they will, directly) in the next few days. Unfortunately, you'd hardly find a significant 64-bit market in this country :-/
[12:09] <jenda> ] 29
[12:10] <Rinchen> yeah, we have tended to overprint 64 bit for some reason
[12:11] <Rinchen> Everytime I go to the London office they keep trying to hand off 64 bit CDs to me :-)


[00:42] <owh> Salutations. I've just completed a do-release-upgrade from gutsy to hardy. This server will only boot if acpi=off. I've manually edited menu.lst and added that back in, but I have two questions. 1) How do I make it automagically add it? 2) Do I have to run something to make it "stick", like with lilo?
[00:44] <owh> Hmm, I also recall that this is running an array. In the past I had to manually copy the boot block across with dd, do I still have to do that?
[00:44] <owh> Finally, what checks do you recommend before I reboot this remote machine into its new OS?
[00:49] <jmedina> owh: nothing
[00:50] <owh> jmedina: Nothing?
[00:50] <jmedina> grub reads menu.lst each time, boot info is not stored in MBR or boot partition
[00:50] <owh> Cool, so that takes care of q's 2 and 3. 1 is for later, what about 4?
[00:50] <infinity> owh: Find the line starting with "# kopt" in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[00:51] <infinity> owh: Mine looks like "# kopt=root=UUID=b42d1082-e4b3-4eb0-98ce-f1ac84027c7e ro"
[00:51] <owh> infinity: Yup
[00:51] <infinity> owh: If you add "acpi=off" to the end of that, then subsequent runs of "update-grub" (which is what kernel installs do) will auto-append it to all your kernel lines.
[00:52] <owh> Right below that is kopt_2_6, does that have any bearing?
[00:52] <owh> It's showing my boot device.
[00:52] <owh> # kopt_2_6=root=/dev/md2 ro
[00:52] <infinity> owh: You shouldn't need _2_6 or similar, unless you are trying to have specific options for specific versions.
[00:53] <owh> I've never tweaked it, but the fact that it's showing my array seems significant.
[00:53] <infinity> owh: I can't think of anything that would automatically create versioned kopt stuff, except maybe some sketchy third-party configs.
[00:54] <infinity> owh: But if the regular kopt isn't configured correctly, then either fix that, or use _2_6...
[00:54] <owh> This was a virgin install gutsy and I don't install third party stuff - makes my job way too hard.
[00:54] <infinity> owh: The more specific version will "win" when creating the boot stanzas.
[00:54] <infinity> owh: (So _2_6_24 beats _2_6 beats _2 beats kopt...)
[00:54] <owh> Seeing that it's running the current kernel, I'm thinking stick with kopts_2_6
[00:55] <infinity> owh: Yeah.  The only issue with _2_6 is that it'll explode amazingly on upgrade to 3.0.x... But that's probably not around the corner anyway. :)
[00:56] <infinity> owh: Anyhow, it's not like any of it's irreversible.
[00:56]  * owh is guessing that there will be other challenges than a kopt_2_6 stanza :)
[00:57] <owh> Final question. I recall in a previous kernel upgrade the machine chose the wrong network interface and I had to actually travel to the console to fix it. Anything I should check?
[00:57] <infinity> owh: Modify kopt* how you like, then run update-grub, and diff /boot/grub/menu.lst{~,}
[00:57] <infinity> owh: If it did what you wanted, yay.
[00:58] <owh> infinity: Whoot!
[00:58] <infinity> owh: NICs should ideally be statically mapped via udev rules... See /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[00:58] <owh> One problem down.
[01:00] <owh> infinity: Well, the udev rule seems to map the correct MAC address to the correct device name.
[01:00] <owh> So I'm guessing it won't swap eth0 and eth1 on me this time.
[01:00] <infinity> owh: Then it should be just fine from here on.
[01:01] <owh> Well, let me do the reboot thing and see if I come back cursing :-)
[01:03] <owh> It's the time between "Connection closed by remote host." and the login prompt that kills yah!
[01:04] <infinity> Takes my sparc buildds about 5 minutes to POST, I feel your pain.
[01:04] <owh> At the moment I'm getting "Connection refused" :-)
[01:04] <owh> I've got to invest into a KVM over IP.
[01:05]  * owh is hoping that it's doing an fsck because this seems to be taking a long time.
[01:07] <infinity> Well, "connection refused" tends to mean it's half booted, but no sshd running yet.
[01:07] <infinity> Since not being online at all will usually warrant a "no route to host" or similar.
[01:07] <owh> Yeah, that's what's keeping me from shouting :)
[01:09]  * owh is going to step away from the keyboard and come back after a nice soothing cup of tea to see what gives. Thanks infinity for your help.
[01:23]  * owh releases a sigh of relief.
[01:23] <owh> Cups of tea can solve server problems :)
[01:32] <infinity> owh: Good to hear.
[01:33] <owh> Hmm, just  tried an ssh tunnel for RDP and it tells me that it "Could not request local forwarding." - is that my end or the server end?
[01:34] <infinity> X11Forwarding disabled in /etc/ssh/sshd_config ?
[01:34] <infinity> (Assuming it's an X11 client you're trying to forward)
[01:35] <owh> Nah, it turns out to be on this end. The ssh process didn't close properly when the server went away.
[01:36] <owh> Well, that's a win for remote admin. XP SP3 install complete across RDP, followed by a gutsy-hardy upgrade over ssh.
[01:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> owh, tried ssh -vv ?
[01:37] <owh> Kamping_Kaiser: No, it was a local ssh process that was holding open the local end of the tunnel.
[01:40] <owh> Nothing like a non-responding server to get your heart going :0
[01:41] <owh> Beats all the extreme sports I can think of :)
[01:48] <twb> Inline skateboarding while hanging off the back of a tram is pretty fun.
[03:24] <ULFfuntu> hi
[06:07] <mat1211> Hi, how would I reformat my external harddrive with the hfs filesystem?
[06:08] <mat1211> without reformatting the original harddrive that is in the server.
[06:11] <twb> mat1211: HFS or HFS+?
[06:11] <mat1211> does it matter?
[06:12] <twb> They are quite different filesystems.
[06:13] <mat1211> what are the differences, I just need something that works well with ubuntu and can support users and stuff.
[06:13] <twb> I don't recall offhand.  I expect user-visible changes regarding case folding, at the very least.
[06:13] <twb> For OS X, you should definitely use HFS+, not HFS.
[06:14] <twb> HFS ought to be used only if you are dealing with MacOS 7 or earlier, I think.
[06:14] <twb> Neither should be used unless you're dealing with OS X.
[06:14] <twb> Even then NTFS (with ntfs-3g) might be a better interchange format...
[06:15] <twb> I know from personal experience that if an HFS or HFS+ filesystem becomes corrupt, you can't repair it (i.e. fsck) from Linux.
[06:15] <mat1211> With hfs+, can I change the owner of a directory? because I cannot do this with the fat32 fs I have now, also would the hfs+ work with windows?
[06:15] <twb> Neither HFS nor HFS+ work with Windows.
[06:17] <mat1211> do drivers exist that I can download for windows? anyway, can I change the owner of dirs? and what is actual code to reformat.
[06:17] <twb> HFS (not HFS+) has a 2GiB file size limit, limits file names to 31 characters, and does not support Unicode in filenames.
[06:18] <twb> If you are dealing with Windows I strongly encourage you to use ntfs3g over hfs+, as the former should be more mature and robust, and (I believe) works on both OS X and Windows out of the box.
[06:18] <mat1211> I will probably use hfs+ then
[06:19] <twb> "On Windows, a fairly complete filesystem driver for HFS+ exists as a commercial software package called MacDrive. This package allows Windows users to read and write HFS+ formatted drives, and read Mac format optical disks. ^[10]"
[06:19] <twb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HFS%2B
[06:19] <mat1211> ah, well then that changes things.
[06:19] <twb> It seems that HFS+'s journalling support is not implemented on Linux, either.
[06:19] <mat1211> ntfs3g you say?
[06:20] <twb> Yes, ntfs-3g.
[06:20] <twb> The kernel-based ntfs drive is essentially read-only.
[06:20] <mat1211> How would I set my hd up with this fs, and does ubuntu come with drivers.
[06:20] <twb> apt-get install ntfs3g or ntfs-3g, I forget which.
[06:20] <mat1211> and I can write to ntfs3g, right? read only would be bad, im trying to set up a web server so...
[06:21] <twb> Yeah, ntfs3g has write support.
[06:21] <twb> If this disk is going to live in the Ubuntu server, it would be much better to use ext3 and provide write access to OS X and Windows desktops using Samba.
[06:21] <mat1211> ah, and how would I put this on my usb harddrive? is there a reformat command :P
[06:22] <twb> There are several commands to manipulate a disk's partition table, including gparted, cfdisk, parted and sfdisk.
[06:22] <twb> Once the disk is partitioned, you would determine the partition's name (e.g. /dev/sde1) and use the mkfs(8) command to create a filesystem on it.
[06:22] <mat1211> I just have a disk with one big partition, which I just want to change the filesystem of.
[06:23] <twb> Note that changing the filesystem will destroy any data currently on that partition.
[06:23] <mat1211> yeah, im backing it up atm.
[06:24] <mat1211> What is the syntax for mk-fs?
[06:24] <twb> Check the manpage.
[06:29] <mat1211> manpage doesn't work, the ssh client im using for windows doesn't support it, im googling it atm.
[06:29] <twb> Er, you're using putty?
[06:31] <mat1211> yeah
[06:31] <mat1211> unfortunately, I use a screen reader and its the only one I can find that even vaguely works
[06:32] <twb> putty's great IMO
[06:32] <twb> Maybe man doesn't work because you're using less as the pager?
[06:32] <twb> Try PAGER=more man mkfs
[06:33] <twb> You know if you have a braille reader you could probably hook that up to the server itself with good results.
[06:33] <mat1211> no, I am blind and my windows screen reader isn't working properly with the page.
[06:33] <mat1211> tried that, doesn't work also
[06:33] <mat1211> lol
[06:34] <twb> OK, there might be a trick to it that I don't know about; you'd have to ask the brltty group.
[06:35] <twb> You can do /msg specbot man foo, to get the OS X manpage for foo.
[06:35] <twb> Unfortunately specbot doesn't know about Linux manpages.
[06:39] <mat1211> hmmm
[06:40] <mat1211> How would I just format this with ext3 fs?
[06:40] <mat1211> or is that a bad idea.
[06:41] <twb> mkfs -t ext3 /dev/sde1
[06:41] <twb> ext3 is the best choice for use by Ubuntu
[06:41] <twb> But it is not supported well by OS X or Windows, except via a network fs such as CIFS (Samba).
[06:42] <mat1211> ah.\
[06:43] <mat1211> btw isn't it sdb not sde? when I mount its usually mount -t /dev/sdb1
[06:43] <twb> It depends
[06:43] <twb> I used a high number so you didn't accidentally run it and destroy one of your internal disks
[06:44] <twb> A high letter, rather
[06:47] <NaOH> can i bounce a postfix+sasl question off someone?
[06:47] <twb> NaOH: #postfix?  I mean, you can ask here too :-)
[06:48] <mat1211> Ah, what does the letter have to do? I didn't know it mattered.
[06:48] <NaOH> cool, well i got my clients authenticating on a workaround, i have to do a ln -s /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd /var/run
[06:48] <NaOH> for it to work properly
[06:49] <NaOH> i see whats happening, and i'm assuming i have to point a config in the right direction to get this working kosher?
[06:50] <twb> mat1211: letters are assigned to disks in the order in which they are found, starting at a.
[06:50] <twb> mat1211: sda1 means SCSI disk a (first disk), partition 1 (first partition).
[06:51] <twb> mat1211: just about everything is treated as a SCSI disk nowadays, but they used to also have hda1 for PATA disks.
[08:07] <Maelaian> I just did a dist-upgrade, how do I get rid of the old kernels?
[08:07] <p_quarles> Maelaian: apt-get remove
[08:21] <Maelaian> Hmm, how do I tell if I am using the -virtual or -server kernel? uname -a?
[08:22] <p_quarles> Maelaian: uname -r will tell you that
[08:22] <Maelaian> It says server, I'm using the x64 server disk, and I did the F4 to the virtual minimal install. I did a dist-upgrade and it appears I'm using the -server now, when I want to be using -virtual.
[08:22] <Maelaian> yea it server.
[08:23] <p_quarles> so, is the server a virtual machine?
[08:23] <Maelaian> It is.
[08:23] <p_quarles> xen?
[08:24] <Maelaian> ESX
[08:24] <p_quarles> not familiar with that type of virtualization
[08:24] <Maelaian> vmware.
[08:24] <p_quarles> vmware doesn't need a special kernel
[08:25] <Maelaian> Vmware recommends using the -virtual kernel as its tuned to run better as a guest.
[08:26] <Maelaian> Which I do believe the virtual minimal install uses, but i believe it went to -server when I dist-upgraded, is there a way to let it know I always want -virtual and to switch over to that now?
[08:27] <sbeattie> Maelaian: the -virtual kernel is the same as the -server kernel with a smaller set of modules (and thus self-identifies via uname|/proc/version as -server); "dpkg -l linux-image-*" will show you what you have installed.
[08:29] <sbeattie> they were separate kernels with independent configs in hardy, but that changed in intrepid and jaunty.
[08:30] <Maelaian> Alright. From this dpkg -l list, what shows the entry as being the one im using ?
[08:32] <sbeattie> the version that correlates to the contents of /proc/version_signature
[08:33] <Maelaian> Ok, yea looks right, just got confused by the uname output.
[08:34] <sbeattie> yeah, I'd rather it was identified itself as -virtual, to prevent exactly this kind of confusion.
[08:35] <Maelaian> All I know is that this time I didn't have to take out wireless-tools and wpa_supplicant ;)
[08:53] <Maelaian> My old kernel is listed in dpkg --get-selections with deinstall next to it. How do I get it out?
[09:10] <twb> vmware needs a special kernel *module*, however.
[09:14] <Maelaian> yea the vmware tools?
[09:15] <Maelaian> like the vmxnet driver etc.
[09:17] <twb> Maelaian: I meant for the host OS
[09:18] <twb> Sorry, I didn't read the scrollback too carefully.  Maybe I misunderstood.
[09:22] <Maelaian> Oh. Sorry, yea, I'm using ESX server.
[09:26] <rags> anyone know of any log analysis package that has a web interface?
[09:27] <ropetin> What kind of logs?
[09:27] <rags> I know of logshow and logcheck, but they just mail you the logs
[09:27] <rags> genreral logs...
[09:27] <rags> syslog...just want  a better interface, rather then a text file...
[09:28] <rags> with some searching and analysis thrown in...
[09:28] <rags> I know of splunk...but tht is an overkill..I want something light.
[09:29] <ropetin> I just found something called phpLogCon, not sure if it's any good or not though
[09:29] <rags> I remember some package called phplog analyser or something..but can't get it's name...
[09:29] <ropetin> The one I use is even more over kill than splunk!
[09:30] <ropetin> http://www.syslog.org/wiki/Main/LogAnalyzers
[09:30] <rags> aha..I think tht's the one..wht do you use btw?
[09:30] <ropetin> One of those will surely do it
[09:30] <rags> wonderful!
[09:30] <ropetin> It's an in-house developed web-app (event analysis is what I do for a living, at least sometimes)
[09:37] <rags> phpLogCon seems to be the perfect tool...
[11:28] <mattt> dang wiki is down
[13:17] <Deeps> trying to remount / as ext2 (is ext3), `mount -t ext2 -o remount /dev/sda1 /` doesn't appear to be working, any ideas?
[15:29] <Noble> Hi, I'm looking for a why to get all the computers home (7 or so) to log into a server and get their permissions and storage from there. Is this a samba domain thing? How should I go about it?
[16:11] <jpds> Anyone know why etckeepers keeps wanting to write to my users's ~/.bzr.log instead of roots?
[18:34] <jmarsden> jpds: Perhaps you are running etckeeper from sudo or su and it respects the $HOME variable which is still set to point to your user's home directory?
[18:34] <jpds> jmarsden: Yeah, that's what I thought, but it's not happening on another system I have it.
[18:35] <jmarsden> jpds: Try su -   and then run etckeeper from there and see if if then does what you want?
[18:36] <jpds> jmarsden: It does with sudo -i.
[18:36] <jmarsden> Then that has to be it... sudo -s leaves the $HOME alone, sudo -i changes it...
[18:37] <jpds> Yep, but it works fine when I install a new package on the other computer with sudo apt-get ...
[18:37] <ivoks> apt-cacher?
[18:39] <jpds> ivoks: No, I'm having problems with etckeeper+bzr and it wanting my ~/.bzr.log file.
[18:39] <jmarsden> Well, as a test you can try something like   sudo HOME=/root whatever-command-you-test   # ... does that work?
[18:39] <ivoks> ah... :)
[18:42] <jpds> That works.
[18:42] <jmarsden> Therefore, $HOME is the culprit.  Why it is Ok on the other machine ... I have no idea :)
[18:43] <ivoks> ghosts
[18:48] <mib_d75wrq0u> hi guys.  I am trying to get a command workign so i can use it in php. "sudo -u sap useradd -p test1 test1" returns an error about the account being locked
[18:49] <mib_d75wrq0u> useradd: unable to lock password file  ---------- to be exact
[18:49] <mib_d75wrq0u> yet if i do not do the -u it works fine...
[18:51] <ivoks> what do you want to achive?
[18:51] <ivoks> add a user?
[18:52] <mib_d75wrq0u> yes, to the server
[18:52] <mib_d75wrq0u> but it will be done through php
[18:52] <ivoks> sudo -u sap = do next command as sap user
[18:52] <mib_d75wrq0u> my thought is that this can be don using the sudo -u... but im having extremely inconsistant results
[18:52] <ivoks> can sap user create new users (i guess not)
[18:52] <mib_d75wrq0u> yes they can
[18:52] <mib_d75wrq0u> thats whats weird
[18:53] <mib_d75wrq0u> i can do it as the user with no -u in the comman
[18:53] <mib_d75wrq0u> d
[18:53] <jpds> jmarsden: Deleted the bzr files for bzr in /root and my own and now: http://paste.ubuntu.com/144334/
[18:53] <jpds> Awesomeness.
[18:54] <ivoks> mib_d75wrq0u: if you run it as 'sudo whatever' you'll run whatever as root
[18:54] <ivoks> mib_d75wrq0u: 'sudo -u sap whatever' will run as sap user
[18:54] <mib_d75wrq0u> its not workign though
[18:54] <mib_d75wrq0u> but when i sudo su into the user sap, and try it
[18:54] <mib_d75wrq0u> it does
[18:55] <ivoks> 'sudo su' will make you a root, not sap
[18:55] <mib_d75wrq0u> sportman1280@illidan:~$ sudo -u sap useradd -p test5 test5 useradd: unable to lock password file
[18:55] <jmarsden> jpds: Yes, but if you prefix with HOME=/root then it works, right?  So this is just the same thing... it uses $HOME ?
[18:55] <mib_d75wrq0u> sudo su sap*
[18:55] <jpds> jmarsden: Yep. Which is odd.
[18:56] <jmarsden> Well, it's a fairly common thing for a shell script to do, use $HOME to find the home dir...
[18:56] <ivoks> mib_d75wrq0u: have you configured sudoers?
[18:56] <mib_d75wrq0u> yes
[18:56] <ivoks> so, 'sudo -u sap ls' doesn't work?
[18:57] <jmarsden> jpds: What is odd to me is the *other* one that works for you without setting $HOME !
[18:57] <mib_d75wrq0u> sudo -u sap ls does
[18:57] <mib_d75wrq0u> useradd does not :(
[18:57] <jpds> True.
[18:57] <ivoks> mib_d75wrq0u: are you sure 'sap' user can create new users?
[18:57] <jmarsden> mib_d75wrq0u: sap does not have the privs to run useradd -- should it have them?
[18:57] <mib_d75wrq0u> here is visudo:    sap ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL
[18:58] <ivoks> mib_d75wrq0u: (i doubt it can)
[18:59] <mib_d75wrq0u> sportman1280@illidan:~$ sudo -u sportman1280 useradd -p test5 test5 useradd: unable to lock password file
[18:59] <ivoks> this only means that sap user can do whatever it wants without prompting password
[18:59] <mib_d75wrq0u> i cant do it myself either
[18:59] <ivoks> that's imporper use of sudo
[18:59] <ivoks> sudo - make ma root
[18:59] <mib_d75wrq0u> well yea... but it was test
[18:59] <mib_d75wrq0u> lol
[18:59] <ivoks> so sudo -u sportman1280 - make me a sportman1280
[19:00] <ivoks> of course you can't create a user
[19:00] <ivoks> only root can do that
[19:00] <ivoks> so, sap user needs to run 'sudo useradd bla bla bla'
[19:00] <mib_d75wrq0u> hmmm ok so i think i see where your going
[19:00] <ScottK> ivoks: Did you get a chance to try out clamav 0.95 yet?
[19:00] <ivoks> ScottK: haven't someone ack that it works?
[19:01] <mib_d75wrq0u> well i cant do that with php
[19:01] <ScottK> ivoks: Yes.  And I uploaded it.  I'm curious how it does for you.
[19:01] <mib_d75wrq0u> thats wehre this is stemming from... i need to run it during php
[19:01] <ivoks> mib_d75wrq0u: php cli apps are runing as www-data user
[19:01] <ivoks> unless you changed something
[19:01] <ivoks> ScottK: eh... ok, i'll test tomorrow
[19:01] <mib_d75wrq0u> ivoks: hence me trying to run sudo as sap.  or thats what i was thinking at least
[19:02] <ivoks> why would you run it as sap?
[19:02] <ivoks> you need sudo to delegate root privileges, not sap
[19:02] <mib_d75wrq0u> ivoks so the entire server isnt running with the ability to sudo things without passwords?
[19:03] <ivoks> you should stop with everything you are doing now
[19:03] <mib_d75wrq0u> haha
[19:03] <mib_d75wrq0u> ok
[19:03] <ivoks> and *read* about sudo
[19:03] <ivoks> cause you are on a way to do something very bad to your server
[19:03] <mib_d75wrq0u> well i think i might have been getting desprate and went off the right path then
[19:05] <mib_d75wrq0u> what would you recommend for running a sudo command in php then?
[19:05] <mib_d75wrq0u> or where should i look? i cant really find good directions on the process either...
[19:05] <ivoks_> so:
[19:05] <ivoks_> 20:04 < ivoks> if you need to create users from web application
[19:05] <ivoks_> 20:04 < ivoks> you shouldn't use shadow for authentication
[19:05] <ivoks_> but sql or ldap
[19:06] <mib_d75wrq0u> its to administer the server
[19:06] <mib_d75wrq0u> this is just one part of the commands we will be adding
[19:06] <ivoks_> you are doing a very bad thing
[19:06] <ivoks_> onw way to solve it is to create apache+fastcgi instead of apache-mpm-prefork
[19:07] <andol> mib_d75wrq0u: ldap is perfectly fine för system accounts.
[19:07] <ivoks_> even better than shadow
[19:08] <mib_d75wrq0u> the project is to create something like cpanel ultimately. so we will be working with mysql and other tools too
[19:08] <ivoks_> anyway, bye
[19:08] <mib_d75wrq0u> ok thanks
[19:08] <mib_d75wrq0u> :)
[19:08] <andol> mib_d75wrq0u: You know, you really should listen to ivoks_.
[19:08] <ivoks_> if you are creating cpanel-clone
[19:08] <ivoks_> take a look at ispconfig
[19:08] <ivoks_> it populates sql
[19:08] <mib_d75wrq0u> ok thanks :)
[19:08] <ivoks_> and then with cron pulls from it
[19:09] <ivoks_> that's also cr@p
[19:09] <ivoks_> mib_d75wrq0u: do it with ldap and everybody would love you
[19:09] <ivoks_> since ldap is more flexibile than shadow
[19:09] <ivoks_> under ldap account you can define everything you need, not just username and password
[19:10] <mib_d75wrq0u> ivoks_ i have nothing against ldap, we use it at work. i was just also thinking outside of the username and password realm into the other sytem command
[19:10] <mib_d75wrq0u> ivoks_ im downloading the ispconfig now :)
[19:11] <ivoks_> mib_d75wrq0u: web application that can execute root commands without password is best way to disater
[19:11] <ivoks_> disaster
[19:11] <ivoks_> even more if it's PHP based
[19:11] <ivoks_> time for real life :D
[19:11] <ivoks_> take care
[19:16]  * ScottK wonders what is this 'real life' that ivoks mentions.
[21:00] <socialist> are there any stock server kernels that don't require PAE?  I need to do some xen stuff and I've got some old machines without PAE, but all the xen support appears to be in the server kernels
[22:10] <Deeps> socialist: the -virtual kernels dont work with xen?
[22:12] <socialist> those are server kernels w/ PAE
[22:12] <socialist> I'm just building a custom with PAE turned off, no biggie
[22:25] <mat1211> Hi, what is syntax to reformat a disk in /dev/sdb1 with ext3 fs?
[22:25] <mat1211> lol
[22:26] <Deeps> mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb1
[22:27] <mat1211> thanks
[22:27] <giovani> probably requires a prepended sudo, no?
[22:30] <PhotoJim> mat1211: to help you remember that command, think of mkfs as meaning "MaKe FileSystem"... that's how I remember it
[22:31] <mat1211> nod
[22:31] <mat1211> this will probably take a long time lol, also while I am here, what is the command to extract a .rar file to a certain dir?
[22:31] <giovani> unrar e filename.rar
[22:32] <giovani> it requires the unrar utility of course
[22:32] <PhotoJim> mat1211: there is probably syntax to force it to a directory, but I just cd /path/to/directory  and then unrar e filename.rar
[22:33] <giovani> there is ... append the path
[22:33] <giovani> unrar e filename.rar /path/to/extract/to/
[22:33] <mat1211> What if the rar file is in a different dir than I want to extract it in?
[22:33] <mat1211> ah
[22:33] <giovani> mat1211: read the manpage
[22:33] <giovani> it's clearly spelled out there
[22:33] <PhotoJim> unrar e /path/to/rarfile.rar
[22:34] <mat1211> I usually would read the manpage, but my screen reader and putty don't work well together. :P
[22:34] <PhotoJim> try: export TERM=screen  ... and then see if man works better.
[22:34] <giovani> probably misconfigured putty then
[22:35] <Deeps> and try using a different pager, i find most displays the colours in manpages properly
[22:35] <giovani> securecrt > *
[22:35] <mat1211> The one for windows? nah its just one file.
[22:35] <giovani> mat1211: putty has dozens of session options
[22:35] <giovani> but, ok
[22:35] <mat1211> maybe I downloaded the smaller version by mistake.
[22:36] <giovani> nope, same version ... it still has options
[22:38] <Deeps> chances are he's using the default options then, which is usually fine
[22:39] <mat1211> meh, I'm getting an apple comp soon, which works far better using voiceover and stuff.
[22:39] <mat1211> so I won't need to ask as many questions on here :P
[23:21] <wizardslovak> i want to edit my conf file "gedit /etc/mysql/mt/cnf" i am getting error --->gtk-warning cannot open display
[23:22] <wizardslovak> i want to learn mysql and ubuntu server well but i cant open config file
[23:22] <wizardslovak> any ideas?
[23:23] <Deeps> 2 problems, 1- gedit is a graphical editor, it needs a GUI, ubuntu server doesn't use a GUI, so you need a different tool, like nano, pico, vim, or emacs (console text editors)
[23:23] <Deeps> 2- /etc/mysql/mt/cnf is probably not the correct path nor file, and you probably want /etc/mysql/my.cnf
[23:23] <wizardslovak> i made mistake my.cnf
[23:24] <beechbone> I've got a postfix/courier mail server setup. It now requires sasl authentication to send emails to other domains. But I can still send messages from smtp within the server. Any way to stop this?
[23:24] <wizardslovak> so which texxt sditor you prefer?
[23:24] <Deeps> wizardslovak: i prefer vim, but it has a steep learning curve. you're probably best suited to nano or pico
[23:24] <wizardslovak> ok so i will use nano
[23:24] <wizardslovak> can i ask more questions?
[23:25] <jpds> Sure.
[23:25] <jpds> !ask
[23:26] <wizardslovak> i am new to ubuntu server and i never couldnt understood how to set up server which is behing router
[23:26] <Deeps> there are pages on the wiki that describe how to setup an ubuntu server as a network router
[23:26] <wizardslovak> can you redirect me there?
[23:26] <Deeps> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[23:26] <jpds> help.ubuntu.com
[23:27] <jpds> wizardslovak: Do you mean behind a router?
[23:27] <jmarsden> Deeps: I think the issue may be more of the server being "behind" a router i.e. NAT port forwarding in a SOHO router ?
[23:27] <Deeps> the man says "as a", i'll take the english interpretation of that
[23:27] <wizardslovak> yes , i mean i got couple PCs and i want to use one as server (for studies)
[23:27] <wizardslovak> i have reouter with dd-wrt
[23:28] <wizardslovak> so far i am using ubuntu server on my laptop on virtualbox
[23:29] <wizardslovak> i cannot find nothing about server and router
[23:31] <jpds> wizardslovak: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_forwarding
[23:31] <jmarsden> wizardslovak: Sounds like you will: (1) set the the Ubuntu server to run whatever service you want to offer; (2) make sure you have the virtualbox stuff set up so that other PCs on your LAN can get to that service; (3) Set up a port forward in your dd-wrt router so that a port on the Public Intenet interface of it is routed through to the port on the Ubuntu server for your desired service.
[23:32] <wizardslovak> right now i dont want anyone outside to see my servers, but my LAN
[23:33] <jmarsden> Then ignore part (3) for right now.
[23:33] <wizardslovak> sorry i know i might be pain in the a** but i am interested in servers and books are not enough
[23:33] <wizardslovak> better to get support from people which actually use it
[23:34] <jmarsden> In a sense, virtualbox is making this harder for you than it would be if you had Ubuntu Server on its own real hardware PC... because you have to get its networking stuff right too.  Do you have a spare real PC you can install Ubuntu Server on?
[23:34] <wizardslovak> yes i do
[23:34] <jmarsden> Then that might be a good way to go to get started.
[23:34] <wizardslovak> its old one with 2.4 celeron but it should be enough
[23:35] <jmarsden> RAM may be more important than CPU for this sort of learning stuff... do you have 512MB or more on the celeron PC?
[23:35] <wizardslovak> i though ill get used to server on Vbox and then
[23:35] <wizardslovak> 512
[23:36] <jmarsden> You can do the Virtualbox thing, but it is one more set of configuration things to get right... 512 should be good.  I'd try that.  See if you can get Apache working on the Celeron PC running Ubuntu Sevrer as a first step, maybe?
[23:38] <wizardslovak> good idea
[23:38] <wizardslovak> although i wont do it today
[23:38] <wizardslovak> for web server, i have to forward 80 or can i forvard different port?
[23:39] <wizardslovak> if i will forward 80 will i be able to browse internet?
[23:41] <jmarsden> if you forward TCP port 80 to the server other people from the Internet will be able to browse to your server, yes.
[23:42] <jmarsden> If you set up the server on your LAn you will be able to browse to it using its LAN address from your laptop without doing any port forwarding at all.
[23:43] <wizardslovak> will my computers be able to browse internet(not my server)
[23:44] <jmarsden> Yes, you don't need to do any port forwarding for that, normally, your router will do NAT for you and it will "just work".
[23:45] <dug_> Do you have to have multiple ips if you want to run multiple servers on different virtual machines?  Or can you forward based on virtual hosts or port numbers
[23:46] <wizardslovak_> ok i am back
[23:46] <jmarsden> dug_: You can forward different port numbers to different LAN Ip addresses, so you only need one public IP.
[23:46] <jmarsden> wizardslovak_: I said: Yes, you don't need to do any port forwarding for that, normally, your router will do NAT for you and it will "just work".
[23:46] <wizardslovak_> ok
[23:47] <wizardslovak_> so lets say i want to connect to my server from different location, ill type my ip adress and then my server LAN ip ,correct?
[23:49] <jmarsden> wizardslovak_: No, for that you will forward a port on your router to a a port on the LAn IP of your server.  Then from outrside you will just connect to that port of your public IP address.
[23:49] <wizardslovak_> ooo
[23:49] <wizardslovak_> and i couldnt figure out how to do that
[23:49] <jmarsden> But earlier you said you didn't want access from the outside... are you changing your mind?
[23:49] <wizardslovak_> nah not now
[23:49] <wizardslovak_> i am curious
[23:49] <jmarsden> One step at a time is easier... get it working on the LAN first.
[23:50] <wizardslovak_> exactly
[23:50] <wizardslovak_> first install , and get use to it
[23:51] <wizardslovak_> so i figure out you work with ubuntu server
[23:51] <wizardslovak_> how long did it take for you to learn it
[23:51] <jmarsden> Well, I've worked with Linux since late 1992... :)
[23:52] <wizardslovak_> i was trying to find some linux server course but no luck
[23:52] <wizardslovak_> so i've decided to learn by myself
[23:53] <jmarsden> They do exist... do you run Ubuntu on your desktop/laptop?  That can be a good way to learn Linux in general...
[23:53] <wizardslovak_> i used to run suse linux for year+ , and then switched for  kubuntu
[23:53] <wizardslovak_> i have dual boot , windows for games and kubuntu as main OS
[23:54] <jmarsden> OK.  One place offering Ubuntu Server training stuff is http://beginlinux.com/server_training but I have no idea how good or bad it is...
[23:55] <jmarsden> Ubuntu Server is really just a server-oriented set of Ubuntu packages, and a kernel configured for server type workloads.  If you are comfortable with KUbuntu and at a shell prompt, you really don't have much new to learn for Ubuntu Server at all.
[23:56] <wizardslovak_> well i am getting to know shell yet
[23:56] <dug_> thanks jmarsden
[23:56] <wizardslovak_> i love apt-get better then yast in suse
[23:56] <jmarsden> dug_: No problem.
[23:58] <jmarsden> wizardslovak_: Sounds good.  When I started there was no X on Linux, so I *had* to learn the shell :)
[23:58] <wizardslovak_> i was fascinated by shell loong time ago


[20:56] <micahg> teward: hi, did you actually test the znc-dev package as you prescribed in the description for the backport request


[00:27] <akgraner> Congrats holstein!
[00:27] <akgraner> we now have a new Ubuntu Member on the team!
[00:27] <holstein> w00t... now wheres my cloak!
[00:27] <holstein> ;)
[00:28] <akgraner> hehe that will take about a day :-P
[00:29] <akgraner> holstein, now we need to kick internalkernel to go for his membership
[00:29] <holstein> yup...
[00:30] <holstein> and BugeyeD
[00:30] <internalkernel> right on! congrats holstein that's awesome... you have... clout.
[00:30] <akgraner> yes BugeyeD too
[00:30] <internalkernel> sweet...
[00:30] <holstein> internalkernel: watch out!
[00:30] <holstein> ;)
[00:30] <internalkernel> I haven't even thought about it since I have to cut back on contribution
[00:31] <akgraner> holstein, as soon as the announcement from the membership board hits the list - I'll send it to the NC list and change all the contact info
[00:31] <internalkernel> this has been a crazy year
[00:31] <holstein> i thought i would be able to contribute more, and i would go for it
[00:31] <holstein> but, this is what i got
[00:31] <akgraner> who are you telling about crazy year
[00:31] <holstein> im doing about all i can
[00:31] <holstein> and, its going to be enough
[00:31] <internalkernel> lol akgraner good point...
[00:31] <akgraner> internalkernel, you don't have to do a lot
[00:31] <holstein> im getting more efficient at it too
[00:31] <akgraner> you just have to sustain a little
[00:32] <internalkernel> right... and that's where I'm at for the moment... I guess this is where my expectations of myself exceed the standards.
[00:32] <akgraner> hehe - don't you'll burn out
[00:32] <akgraner> just ask me I know :-P
[00:33] <internalkernel> totally, and I felt that coming on last year... hence the backing off I did for a bit...
[00:33] <internalkernel> lol... do you have it in ppt?
[00:33] <holstein> yeah, i backed off a bunch too
[00:33] <holstein> i was going for the bug squad..
[00:33] <holstein> in like 40 IRC channels
[00:34] <holstein> i had to thin it out
[00:34] <holstein> if the loco is truckin along, and ubuntustudio is good, im good
[00:34] <holstein> and i can assist in the -beginners channel at my leisure, and the news team on the weekends when im idle
[00:35] <internalkernel> yeah, I guess that's the point... don't do it all
[00:35] <holstein> the news team gets on without me just fine
[00:35] <holstein> i was busy for a couple weeks
[00:35] <holstein> i would rather grab some new folks for that anyways
[00:35] <holstein> we'll see
[00:35] <internalkernel> cause I was all about doing it all... and then I caught akgraners presentation at ALF... on burnout.
[00:36] <holstein> id like to thin things out a bit, and get focused on the loco enough...
[00:36] <internalkernel> :P
[00:36] <internalkernel> yeah... I thinks that's a good plave to start
[00:36] <holstein> after ubuntustudio makes another release ;)
[00:36] <internalkernel> s/plave/place/g


[08:34] <apw> cjwatson, i need to rebuild the Packages.gz files on the CD now, is there a simple way to do that
[08:35] <cjwatson> Is a CD actually the easiest way for you to test this, I wonder
[08:35] <apw> cjwatson, it cirtainly isn't easy any more, but that is the only way i have seen it reproduce
[08:35] <cjwatson> Would you maybe be better off with a netboot mini.iso and a locally-accessible archive?
[08:36] <cjwatson> If you have to rebuild them, cobble something together with apt-ftparchive I guess ...
[08:36] <apw> possibly indeed, but i feel i have gotton this far, i ought to make it work right now, apt-ftparchive, ok
[08:37] <cjwatson> Remember to regenerate the Release files to match
[08:37]  * apw cries :)
[08:37] <cjwatson> And I expect you'll want to boot with debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true, since constructing a properly signed image is way too much effort for a test
[08:38] <cjwatson> So just delete Release.gpg rather than trying to generate one
[10:33] <apw> cjwatson, as predicted i cannot get all the right bits to line up, i give up on remaking this cd