[22:50] <Newb30> TJ: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6753116/
[22:51] <q0> it seems i didn't need anyone else to solve any of my problems
[22:52] <q0> it was just impatience reflecting
[22:52] <TJ-> Newb30: thanks... and now do 'echo -e "$(lsusb -t)\n\n$(lsusb)" | pastebinit  '
[22:52] <Jordan_U> Ben64: You may have done the same thing, but with suspicious liks like that don't even open them in a browser, use wget and a text editor to view the site.
[22:53] <Ben64> Jordan_U: exactly what i did :) virustotal reports only 3/42 scanners detect it too. hope nobody went to that site
[22:53] <TJ-> lynx will keep you safe :)
[22:53] <Newb30> TJ: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6753131/
[22:54] <gmachine_24> can someone please see http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6753133/ to help with configuration of wireless connection? Thank you. :-)
[22:55] <Schrodinger`Cat> hey guys
[22:55] <gmachine_24> heycat
[22:55] <TJ-> Newb30: which version of Ubuntu is installed? If it is the same as the liveISO then do "cat /etc/issue"
[22:55] <Schrodinger`Cat> i just do a "$ sudo service networking restart" and my graphic interface juste go crazy... is that a normal behavior ?
[22:56] <FourFire> have we tried fdisk Jordan_U ?
[22:56] <gmachine_24> for you or the computer?
[22:56] <yorick> okay so FourFire can just fdisk his partition table back in place, right?
[22:56] <Newb30> TJ: LUbuntu 13.10
[22:56] <Schrodinger`Cat> gmachine_24, for my graphic interface :)
[22:56] <FourFire> or is that not possible for one of the reasons we discovered ?
[22:56] <yorick> FourFire: have you imaged the thing already?
[22:56] <FourFire> yes
[22:57] <FourFire> I have three copies of it
[22:57] <yorick> okay :)
[22:57] <Newb30> TJ: Err, it says Ubutnu 13.10
[22:57] <yorick> Jordan_U: so is fdisk a possiblity?
[22:58] <FourFire> one has been mounted and some/all of the data has been extracted using some utility
[22:58] <FourFire> but it's all just random text files
[22:58] <chemist^> virtualbox doesn't recognize the host's graphics as a 3d capable although it is, has anyone else had this issue?
[22:58] <FourFire> and it's 150MB of .txt files
[22:58] <Beldar> gmachine_24, might be a good start. http://askubuntu.com/search?q=Ralink+RT2870
[22:58] <yorick> FourFire: mounted? but you deleted the partition!
[22:58] <FourFire> I had a file tree and I hope I can recover that
[22:58] <Newb30> TJ: Also, these commands were on the livecd. Is that what you wanted?
[22:58] <FourFire> the copy of the data was mounted somehow using a loop0
[22:59] <Shlee> hi, my ubuntu server disk used to boot into a purpleish grub menu with the ability to select 'advanced options'... now it always boots into a b/w basic menu... any idea?
[22:59] <FourFire> and stuff was copied off that mounted thing into my downloads folder
[22:59] <Jordan_U> FourFire: It looks like what actually happened is that you had an ntfs partition with valid files and you overwrote it with a new ntfs partiiton.
[22:59] <yorick> FourFire: okay, if it mounts then there is an intact partition
[22:59] <FourFire> right
[23:00] <FourFire> but I didn't do anything to the drive after that
[23:00] <yorick> FourFire: loop is just a way to mount iso files like you would the real thing
[23:00] <Beldar> gmachine_24, says solved. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1589504 Use this to search the web. ubuntu Ralink RT2870
[23:00] <FourFire> yeah I figured
[23:00] <gmachine_24> Beldar, thanks, I'm reading the first url you posted
[23:00] <FourFire> Jordan_U, because I thought I was formatting a pendrive
[23:00] <TJ-> Newb30: thanks. From the output you've given me I *think* my initial diagnosis is probably correct. The "lsusb" output shows that several ports are being managed by the ohci-pci module, which is the slow-speed USB driver. The output of "lsmod" (list loaded modules) shows that "ohci-pci" is not built-in to the kernel image. My *guess* is that module, or the related "usbhid" isn't in the "initrd.img" and therefore the kernel can't manage the slow-speed usb ports. I
[23:00] <TJ-> doubt myself though, because it seems such a basic thing it should be OK.
[23:00] <yorick> FourFire: I cannot think of any situations where textfiles are involved
[23:01] <FourFire> the content, my data is text files
[23:01] <FourFire> lots of them
[23:01] <FourFire> ~150MB of them
[23:01] <yorick> so what did you retrieve?
[23:01] <Beldar> gmachine_24, Seems usable in general, not sure myself beyond what I have suggested.
[23:01] <Ben64> FourFire: a bit off topic, but i've found Recuva works excellently on Windows
[23:02] <FourFire> Ben64, only on 12.04 hre
[23:02] <yorick> Ben64: yes, that's not helpful at all
[23:02] <Ben64> why is it not
[23:02] <yorick> Ben64: he destroyed the partition
[23:02] <Ben64> so?
[23:02] <FourFire> I do not own a windows
[23:02] <yorick> Ben64: I think recuva works on deleted files, not partitions
[23:02] <FourFire> now, I'm wondering whether it is at all possible to reconstruct the file tree
[23:02] <Ben64> the partition may be back now, which recuva could handle
[23:03] <Jordan_U> FourFire: The method we used will only work if you haven't created a new filesystem after "deleting" the partition (removing the entry for the parition from the partition table). So you will have to use other methods, and will likely not be able to recover the filenames :(
[23:03] <TJ-> FourFire: If your actions, as it seems they did, over-wrote the NTFS $MFT and backup there is little chance of making any better recovery of files than you've already done
[23:03] <FourFire> because if I could do that, it would save a great deal of time
[23:03] <FourFire> Tj-
[23:03] <FourFire> ok, so how do I use this grep to find keyphrases?
[23:03] <TJ-> FourFire: If the same partition was re-formatted with the same file-system type (NTFS) then the new empty $MFT would be written to the same location as the existing one, obliterating it
[23:03] <yorick> FourFire: okay, you are not getting the filenames back. are they ordered in a way that can be done automatically?
[23:04] <FourFire> not really...
[23:04] <FourFire> they were ordered in an order to do with how I had processed them
[23:04] <FourFire> how much which ones had been edited, some by genre
[23:05] <FourFire> others by age
[23:05] <FourFire> some by size
[23:05] <TJ-> FourFire: something like "grep -rn "$SEARCH_REGEXP" recup_dir*/*"
[23:05] <FourFire> the really big ones went into their own folder
[23:05] <Newb30> TJ: So what should I do? Do I have to do something to this initrd.img?
[23:05] <FourFire> $Search_Regexp can be a single keyword right?
[23:06] <yorick> FourFire: okay, genre/age can be machine learned or looked up on the internet, size can be found
[23:06] <yorick> FourFire: the processing is too bad
[23:06] <TJ-> FourFire: Sure... any regexp that grep accepts
[23:06] <FourFire> yeah well age is decent enough and if I can seperate all the ones over 1 MB then that'll be good
[23:06] <TJ-> FourFire: See this link for tips on additional steps, including identifying duplicates, you can do now: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/After_Using_PhotoRec
[23:07] <FourFire> thanks
[23:07] <yorick> FourFire: you can separate by size using a simple script
[23:07] <TJ-> Newb30: First thing I'd do is methodically test every USB port on that system ... if one works you can at least get in easily
[23:07] <FourFire> I guess I finally have an important reason to learn scripting!
[23:08] <yorick> FourFire: how many files are there?
[23:08] <TJ-> Newb30: Otherwise, it's an involved job to fix it from the liveISO
[23:08] <FourFire> I don't remember
[23:08] <yorick> >10k?
[23:08] <TJ-> Newb30: I'm researching the motherboard model for related bugs but I don't expect to find anything
[23:08] <FourFire> enough that there's 150MB+ with a median size of ~50kb
[23:09] <yorick> ouch
[23:09] <TJ-> FourFire: "find ./recup_dir* -type f | wc -l"
[23:09] <FourFire> some were sound files though, compact ones
[23:09] <yorick> FourFire: you can use the 'file' tool to identify file type
[23:09] <yorick> file yourfile
[23:10] <TJ-> yorick: Yes, I already provided a script using 'file'
[23:10] <FourFire> "2528"
[23:10] <Viking667> hi all. If a user gets created (say, joe) does that user automatically get added to the users group too?
[23:10] <FourFire> not too bad
[23:11] <FourFire> some of them were quite large
[23:11] <Viking667> I'm on saucy, recently installed with a migrated user account from an old machine.
[23:11] <TJ-> FourFire: What I usually do, once photorec has completed is 'for f in recupdir*; do echo "$f $(file $f)"; done > tee /tmp/file-types.log'  which will better classify the contents and allow me to intelligently create symlinks from another "./recovery/" directory to each recovered file
[23:12] <FourFire> ok
[23:12] <FourFire> now I appreciate your help here, but it's really late where I am and I don't need this file right now, but can I ask for help tomorrow?
[23:13] <AncientPC> I restarted my laptop and the login manager won't come up. I can still switch to tty1-tty6, but tty7 just shows a single cursor. (Ubuntu 12.04.4)
[23:13] <FourFire> thanks for your help too Yorick
[23:13] <AncientPC> How would I go about debugging the problem? I don't see anything relevant in syslog.
[23:14] <Viking667> AncientPC: you may have to see if your login manager (say, lightdm) is running.
[23:14] <Viking667> Alternatively, check Alt-F8
[23:14] <AncientPC> I didn't change it from Ubuntu's default.
[23:15] <AncientPC> Viking667: alt-f8 does nothing. :(
[23:15] <UserError> Hello. Why are your compile targets set for i686 on 32bit for KDE and Gnome3?
[23:16] <UserError> That is illogical
[23:16] <Viking667> AncientPC: okay. Have you logged in on one of the other 1-6 terminals?
[23:16] <TJ-> Newb30: I found a related issue but I'd hope your system would have a recent enough BIOS to have fixed it, but check this anyhow bug #859137
[23:16] <UserError> Given your minimum system specifications for those platforms
[23:16] <UserError> as well as Unity
[23:16] <Viking667> if so, do a "ps ax | grep dm"
[23:16] <Viking667> don't paste the results here, but tell us if you see lightdm
[23:16] <TJ-> Newb30: short answer: install the most recent motherboard BIOS
[23:17] <DasEi> !nvidia
[23:17] <AncientPC> Viking667: It's running with a tty: ?
[23:18] <TJ-> UserError: that's user error. Ubuntu is built for a wide range of systems, not all installations even have a GUI - server and VM installs, for example
[23:18] <UserError> TJ, your minimum specifications are impossible for unity on an i686 system
[23:18] <UserError> aka a powerPC
[23:19] <UserError> in fact, only one chipset exceeds the minimum ram spec and only a quad meets the CPU spec
[23:19] <TJ-> UserError: Unity isn't Ubuntu!
[23:19] <UserError> and very few motherboards were actually created witht he 450GX chipset
[23:19] <UserError> I'm talking about your DEs
[23:19] <UserError> None of the i686 platforms that currently exist meet the minimum specs
[23:19] <Viking667> AncientPC: hm.
[23:20] <Newb30> TJ: Alright, I'll try that
[23:20] <UserError> yet you compile to them and lose out on performance gains proven by intel since 2012
[23:20] <UserError> How many PentiumPros out there can run Kubuntu, Ubuntu, Lubuntu, or Xubuntu 13.10?
[23:20] <UserError> I can name them on one hand
[23:21] <UserError> So you're removing the performance benefit for everyone else
[23:21] <UserError> Even the VIA x86 cpus have MMX and SSE
[23:22] <chemist^> AncientPC, haha nick nickname :D
[23:24] <ianorlin> I run lubuntu 32 bit on a pentium 4
[23:26] <UserError> Exactly, and you are losing out on performance
[23:26] <UserError> due to machines that can't
[23:26] <UserError> That P4 has SSE3 even
[23:26] <Jordan_U> UserError: Ubuntu is used for headless servers as well, but more importantly you're not going to affect any policy change by trying to convince people in this channel.
[23:26] <UserError> Right, which is why i said DEs
[23:27] <UserError> from currently existing spins and the default
[23:28] <UserError> Jordan_U , that sounds like a bureaucracy problem then
[23:28] <Jordan_U> UserError: There is no separate package repository for "servers" vs "desktops", unless you're proposing having different compiler optimisation settings for different packages (in which case you're still not going to effect such a change through discussion in this channel).
[23:28] <UserError> That is exactly what i'm saying. THe automated build tools are already there
[23:29] <Jordan_U> UserError: Please file a bug report then requesting that be done then.
[23:30] <UserError> Unfortunately that requires an email address and login to launchpad
[23:30] <UserError> THere is no open way to convey the information
[23:30] <UserError> ironically
[23:31] <ianorlin> then why are you here?
[23:31] <maxxsire> Hey I have a problem. Every time I open a browser my computer gets real sluggish almost to the point of freezing and after about a half hour my browser completly terminates. I've had no problem for over a year and a half. It's been sluggish for over a month now and is getting worse. What should I do. Thanks in advance.
[23:31] <Jordan_U> UserError: Since this is not support related, please continue this discussion in #ubuntu-offtopic.
[23:31] <UserError> Hoping someone will file it for me that already gave them their information
[23:31] <Jordan_U> maxxsire: What browser?
[23:31] <UserError> since it needs to be finally addressed in 2014
[23:32] <UserError> To address the speed issues per dollar spent on machine
[23:32] <UserError> which has gone down for the past three years
[23:32] <UserError> on Ubuntu
[23:32] <Jordan_U> UserError: Please stop the offtopic discussion in this channel.
[23:33] <maxxsire> Firefox, Chrome, Konqueror, you name it
[23:33] <jeffrey_f> maxxsire: what is your home page set to?
[23:33] <maxxsire> ubuntu google search
[23:33] <jeffrey_f> maxxsire:Memory?
[23:34] <maxxsire> 6 GB RAM
[23:35] <maxxsire> jeffrey_f: 6 GB Ram
[23:36] <AncientPC> hmm, the reason lightdm isn't working for me is because there's a package conflict for xserver-xorg.
[23:36] <AncientPC> while gdm works fine
[23:38] <AncientPC> I'm on 12.04 (precise), but all my xserver packages are from 12.10 (quantal). Something is screwy here...
[23:38] <maxxsire> My RAM runs at 10 to 30 percent and my CPU runs at 5 to 15 percent. vary rarely any higher than those.
[23:38] <Dinosaurio> Will be possible to upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04 with no problems?
[23:38] <AncientPC> I have no quantal lines in /etc/apt/sources.list, where could these quantal packages be coming from?
[23:39] <chemist^> Dinosaurio, i'd always suggest clean installs :)
[23:39] <maxxsire> How do you message someone like your messaging me?
[23:40] <AncientPC> maxxsire: /msg name message
[23:41] <Dinosaurio> chemist^: wouldn't that be a waste of time? I mean, I would need to spend a lot of time configurating all the programs again
[23:42] <chemist^> Dinosaurio, does it really take that much time?
[23:42] <maxxsire> What could it be? What can I do?
[23:43] <AncientPC> chemist^: It can be if you run a lot of customizations / server apps (e.g. postgres, nginx, supervisort, etc)
[23:43] <apb1963> [15:41] <apb1963> 12.04 is LTS
[23:43] <apb1963> [15:41] <Sho_> If they're not updating Qt, they're not "supporting" it
[23:43] <apb1963> [15:41] <PovAddictW> yes, but you should expect to get a Qt from April 2012
[23:43] <apb1963> Yes... yes I should.
[23:44] <AncientPC> chemist^: I also build a bunch of packages from scratch and use a bunch of PPAs, custom kernel modules, etc. You don't really want to go down the Windows road and get in the habit of reinstalling OSes.
[23:45] <TJ-> maxxsire: do you have a lot of open tabs saved?
[23:48] <TJ-> maxxsire: As you say it affects multiple browsers that would seem to rule-out local disk caching... when you say sluggish... sluggish how? For pages to be rendered after they are requested? For fully loaded pages to lag when interacting with them?
[23:50] <john__> /me
[23:56] <TJ-> maxxsire: I'd suggest you create a brand new clean user profile and log-in to that from a fresh reboot. Do some browsing, see if you can reproduce the issue. If you cannot, that tells you it is likely caused by some setting in your regular profile
[23:57] <Beldar> Dinosaurio, No problems is an opinion.
[23:57] <Dinosaurio> :)
[23:59] <jeffrey_f> maxxsire: you can try your guest profile if you still have it active.  That should always be vanilla.


[19:55] <airurando> evening all
[20:30] <airurando> I see MootBot has returned to #ubuntu-ie
[20:31]  * airurando wonders if meetingology and MootBot will bicker over who will record the logs for our meetings
[20:38] <czajkowski> airurando: you'd have to ask alanbell
[20:38] <czajkowski> he knows all about the bots
[20:38] <airurando> hi czajkowski
[20:38] <airurando> aye
[20:39] <airurando> he said they didn't like each other
[20:39] <airurando> ebel kicked MootBot at the time meetingology entered
[20:39] <airurando> anyway only a small thing
[20:40] <airurando> did you see the match?
[20:40] <czajkowski> nope :s
[20:40]  * airurando was at work :(
[20:40] <airurando> listened to it on the radio on the way home
[20:41] <airurando> legendary finish
[20:41] <airurando> 40ish phases, well past 80 mins and ROG lands the drop goal.
[20:42] <airurando> TG4 have highlights at 21:15


[01:58] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[03:28]  * lotuspsychje grabs weekend popcorn and watches the troll show :p
[04:26] <oerheks> yay https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/23/ubuntu_remixes_drop_flatpak/?td=rt-3a
[04:34] <Eickmeyer> misleading headline
[21:51] <guiverc> I am regularly & consisently in awe & impressed with the hearts & minds of people involved with this Ubuntu project.   I 'tip my hat' to the Ubuntu Community.
[21:51]  * guiverc is processing my inbox if it matters


[00:49] <Cosmophile> Okay, so my laptop has extremely high DPi
[00:49] <Cosmophile> Everything in KDE was too tiny to work with
[00:49] <Cosmophile> So I followed the directions here: https://community.kde.org/KDE/High-dpi_issues
[00:49] <Cosmophile> I modified xorg.conf
[00:50] <Cosmophile> And now, when I login, and KDE starts, I just see a black screen :(
[00:50] <Cosmophile> My desktop doesnt load
[01:08] <mparillo> Can you <ctrl> <alt> <F1> and get a shell prompt, and revert your xorg.conf?
[02:00] <ajocean> hello
[03:49] <suniel> hello
[03:49] <suniel> i need lil help
[03:50] <suniel> any one there
[03:54] <bshah> pff left
[04:46] <hangman13us> hey guys... anyone else struggling with Version <IP_ADDRESS>1 of the latest adobe flash player? Kubuntu 15.04 and the update fail to install... any clue?
[10:47] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[10:49] <BluesKaj> G'Day folks
[11:16] <eew> Hello all
[11:17] <lordievader> Hey eew
[11:18] <eew> I use kubuntu for last 3 years, but I don't see myselfes as advanced user
[11:18] <lordievader> And you want that to change?
[11:18] <eew> I usually just install and use the system without of any fine tuning actions
[11:18] <eew> :)
[11:19] <eew> but know I would like to check the installed drivers
[11:19] <eew> yes, I would like to change it :)
[11:20] <eew> I installed a new system 6 weeks ago, and it works pretty slow
[11:20] <eew> so, I would like to check the drivers
[11:21] <lordievader> There are lots of drivers, see /lib/modules/<kernel-version>/kernel/drivers
[11:21] <eew> my qustion is:
[11:21] <lordievader> A slow system has little to do with drivers.
[11:22] <AceKing> Hello everyone
[11:23] <eew> my question is: which drivers is advisable to check after Kubuntu installation?
[11:23] <lordievader> Hey AceKing
[11:23] <lordievader> eew: Usually driver for your videocard, if the opensource ones do not suffice.
[11:23] <BluesKaj> Hi again
[11:24] <lordievader> Welcome back, BluesKaj
[11:24] <eew> ok, I have
[11:24] <BluesKaj> hi lordievader thanks
[11:24] <AceKing> lordievader: I'm glad to see you are on this morning. You were helping me yesterday with my VPN.I have yet to resolve the problem. I've been racking my brain trying to get this going. I can connnect to the VPN, but still show my local address.
[11:24] <eew> I have Intel card: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[11:24] <lordievader> AceKing: Could you pastebin the output of 'ip r'?
[11:26] <eew> which driver should be used for this graphic controller?  I couldn't fint it in google
[11:26] <BluesKaj> eew, your intel gpu probly uses the i915 driver, which is already installed by default, and it should work fine as is.
[11:27] <AceKing> lordievader: https://paste.kde.org/pokmbbiuv
[11:27] <eew> BluesKaj, you are right: yevgeniy@yevgeniy-desktop:/boot$ lsmod | grep i915 i915                  808675  4  i2c_algo_bit           13197  1 i915 drm_kms_helper         55007  1 i915 drm                   255469  6 i915,drm_kms_helper video                  19475  1 i915
[11:28] <BluesKaj> eew, then you're good to go
[11:29] <eew> hm, what could be the reason that the machine is slow
[11:29] <lordievader> AceKing: Your default gateway does change ;)
[11:29] <lordievader> eew: What is the output of 'vmstat 1' when it gets slow?
[11:30] <AceKing> lordievader: How can fix that? It is actually doing the same on my laptop.
[11:30] <lordievader> AceKing: Anything not going to the <IP_ADDRESS>/24 subnet should be going over the vpn.
[11:30] <lordievader> AceKing: What do you mean?
[11:31] <BluesKaj> eew, check your system monitor for akonadi-server and baloo daemons running
[11:32] <AceKing> lordievader: When I check my IP on whatismyipaddress.com before I connect, it shows my local IP. After I connect, it still shows the same local IP, and my location
[11:32] <lordievader> AceKing: According to your routes it should go over the vpn.
[11:33] <BluesKaj> AceKing, an alternative is this stracker site, http://www.ip-tracker.org/
[11:33] <BluesKaj> err tracker
[11:33] <eew> the system is generally slow, I don't see any pics or downs in the performance
[11:34] <eew> it is just slow :( , in the KDE it take sometimes seconds to open a window
[11:35] <lordievader> eew: So what is the output of 'vmstat 1', just pastebin some 10 lines or so.
[11:35] <eew> a have othe systems with the weaker hardware, also running 14.04 and they are working fine
[11:35] <eew> sure: rocs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- -system-- ------cpu-----  r  b   swpd   Frei Puffer  Cache   si   so    bi    bo   In   cs US SY ID WA st  0  1      0 2044704<PHONE_NUMBER>748    0    0     6    35   93   29 13  3 75  8  0  2  2      0 2049776<PHONE_NUMBER>716    0    0     0   984 1036 3738  2  0 83 15  0  0  1      0 2047976<PHONE_NUMBER>552    0    0     0  1200  864 3960  2  1 79 19  0  0  1      0 2047232 30
[11:35] <lordievader> !paste | eew
[11:36] <lordievader> Could you pastebin it, posting it here directly makes it unreadable.
[11:36] <eew> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11855448/plain/
[11:36] <AceKing> lordievader: OK, now it shows it changes. That is crazy that it will not change on www.whatismyipaddress.com. I am clearing the browser when I check it.
[11:37] <lordievader> AceKing: That one is probably caching things.
[11:38] <AceKing> lordievader: Not to sound stupid, but it can see my actual location, even though I am going through a VPN?
[11:38] <lordievader> eew: Your machine is quite idle.
[11:38] <lordievader> eew: What are it's specs?
[11:40] <eew> Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3770S CPU @ 3.10GHz, 16G memory,
[11:40] <eew> Linux 3.16.0-41-generic
[11:40] <eew> KDE 4.13.2
[11:40] <lordievader> How can that be slow when it is idling?
[11:41] <eew> yevgeniy@yevgeniy-desktop:/boot$ uname -a Linux yevgeniy-desktop 3.16.0-41-generic #57~14.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jun 18 18:01:50 UTC 2015 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:42] <lordievader> 10-20% io wait ain't that bad.
[11:42] <film> hello people
[11:43] <lordievader> o/
[11:43] <eew> KDE applications like Kile, Libreoffice, Ocular are stocking and hanging
[11:43] <eew> :(
[11:43] <lordievader> eew: Could you run 'vmstat 1' for a bit longer and pastebin more output?
[11:45] <eew> sure: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11855493/plain/
[11:45] <eew> I need to leave for a while
[11:45] <eew> will be back in 5 minutes
[11:46] <lordievader> In the beginning he did have a lot of blocked processes, it is probably his disk.
[11:47] <film> what commands are used to check and see if you have the correct up date and upgrade?
[11:47] <lordievader> film: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:48] <clivejo_> lordievader: anything in kernel logs?
[11:48] <eew> I am back
[11:48] <lordievader> clivejo_: ?
[11:48] <clivejo_> regarding eew box being slow?
[11:48] <film> lordievader: thanks
[11:48] <lordievader> eew: In the beginning of your latest post you have a lot of blocked processes, you should check your disk.
[11:49] <lordievader> clivejo_: Everything is probably fine, just that disk access is slow.
[11:49] <lordievader> eew: You should do a smart check.
[11:49] <lordievader> Slow disks are usually a sign of read errors or bad sectors.
[11:51] <clivejo_> and probably total failure :/
[11:54] <film> i've installed  kubuntu 15.04 latest version which is 32 bit , I want and need 64 bit,is it possible to switch to it in terminal?
[11:55] <lordievader> film: Easiest way is to reinstall.
[11:56] <eew> clivejo: I don't see anything suspicios in the kernel log
[11:56] <clivejo_> eew: try what lordievader suggested, sounds like a disk on its last legs
[11:57] <film> lordievader: you men re download 64 bit instead of 32 bit?
[11:57] <lordievader> film: Yes.
[11:57] <film> oh nooo
[11:58] <lordievader> eew: Install smarmontools and pastebin the output of 'sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda'.
[11:58] <film> right now its working and updating, but real slow
[11:59] <eew> lordievader: ok, I am on it
[11:59] <wrapper> hey guys - very hard to post bug in 15.04 application launcher - can't change size of menu.
[11:59] <BluesKaj> eew, using any encryption or fancy file system ?
[11:59] <film> lordievader: thanks
[11:59] <eew> not
[12:00] <eew> just ext4
[12:00] <lordievader> Ext4 recently got encryption capabilities too :P
[12:01] <wrapper> ubuntu launchpad won't accept it
[12:02] <wrapper> In an upgrade and fresh install of Kubuntu 15.04,  it is no longer possible to resize the application menu.
[12:04] <wrapper> Ko, will check later if any advice ..
[12:07] <eew> lordievader:  https://goo.gl/S4hWYa
[12:08] <eew> above is the output from the  smartctl
[12:08] <lordievader> On the sdd is your system?
[12:08] <eew> yes
[12:09] <lordievader> The disk is fine by the by. But having an ssd being slow is even stranger.
[12:09] <eew> agree :)
[12:11] <lordievader> eew: What is the output of 'sudo hdparm -Tt /dev/sda', you might need to install hdparm first.
[12:13] <eew> sudo hdparm -Tt /dev/sda
[12:14] <eew> test
[12:14] <eew> Timing cached reads:   22862 MB in  2.00 seconds = 11447.53 MB/sec
[12:14] <eew> Timing buffered disk reads: 742 MB in  3.01 seconds = 246.89 MB/sec
[12:15] <eew> it looks fine for me
[12:17] <lordievader> It does.
[12:41] <softexpert> hello, anybody knows when the latest KDE frameworks will be made available?
[12:42] <soee_> what vesions exactly
[12:42] <soee_> ?
[12:42] <softexpert> 15.04
[12:43] <soee_> i was asking abut frameworks version :)
[12:43] <softexpert> 5.12.0 - just got published on kde.org
[12:44] <lordievader> When it gets packaged it will likely first go to Wily and then be backported to Vivid.
[12:46] <softexpert> which can be translated to what delay? (an approximation is OK)
[12:47] <soee_> there is no any known dae i think :)
[12:48] <softexpert> well, not exactly what I expected but thank you anyway ...
[12:49] <soee_> softexpert: we have very few packagers
[12:49] <soee_> and now priority is backoprt of Plasma 5.3.2 to vivid and that causes some problems
[12:51] <softexpert> soee_ : from a simple user's point of view: the pace of backporting is perceived to be 5 -10 times slower than with the previous versions; will this be temporary?
[12:54] <soee_> softexpert: can't say, usualy bugfix releases backorts are not so hard to work on. This one was different and it shows we never knew what can happen.
[12:55] <softexpert> soee_ : ok, thank you for your time!
[12:56] <soee_> sure thing :) the magic person that we should thank for her hard work on packaging is Scarlett :)
[13:22] <lordievader> The delay will likely be 'until when sgclark has time'...
[13:40] <hay207> hi guys, do the opensource radeon driver support hydrid cards?
[13:40] <hay207> i try to install but refuses
[13:46] <akasic> hi, i just looked in nvidia-settings an no vsync options for my 740m are there, is there any trick (like primusrun) to enable in front of the app command, or any way to switch it on? thnx
[13:51] <BluesKaj> akasic, which kubuntu release are you running ?
[13:52] <akasic> 15.04
[13:52] <akasic> with 346.59
[13:53] <BluesKaj> akasic, look in system settings>display&monitor>compositor>tearing prevention/vsync drop down
[13:53] <akasic> recommended drivers, updated last kernel, no vsync, adaptative sync or related in nvidia-settings. installing bumblebee just ends always in a black screen
[13:54] <akasic> well, one sec, because now i get errors opening system settings
[13:55] <akasic> i tried it yesterday that solution, only works for composition desktop
[13:55] <BluesKaj> use nvidia-prime package for intel and nvidia hybrid gpus on 15.04
[13:55] <BluesKaj> it might work
[13:55] <akasic> well, ill try it now again and ill comment after the reboot. yes, i can switch them correctly
[13:56] <BluesKaj> ak dunno if prime uses the 346 driver tho
[14:00] <yossarianuk> is anyone else having a hard time using the ubuntu apt mirrors (UK)  today ?
[14:06] <TJ-> yossarianuk: Known issue, check #ubuntu-mirrors for more details
[14:13] <yossarianuk> TJ-: cheers
[14:15] <regedit> what do I need to know / keep in mind if i want to get the latest Nvidia drivers?
[14:15] <regedit> what are the steps to take the day it breaks kernel (or the day the kernel breaks it)
[14:17] <akasic> hi, i just restarted (had to nm cache due to black screen), went to screen in system settings, activated vsync with compositing, and my rendering for some app its still without vsync
[14:17] <akasic> sorry mv cache
[14:18] <akasic> anyway, thnx for the help, if anyone knows how to activate vsync, plz tell me (option lacking in nvidia-settings)
[14:19] <TJ-> regedit: as the kernel's internal symbols change some versions of proprietary (out-of-kernel) drivers may fail to build as a result, and need minor patching to fix up. This is a common issue with newer kernels and Nvidia drivers
[14:19] <regedit> hm
[14:20] <regedit> problem is the recommended (k)ubuntu drivers are quirky too...
[14:20] <TJ-> regedit: what is 'quirky' ?
[14:21] <TJ-> akasic: is that setting not on the "OpenGL Settings" tab for the X screen?
[14:21] <regedit> for example the recommended proprietary 346 has an issue (in multi-monitor?) where the mouse disappears at edge of screen
[14:22] <regedit> also vsync is ever elusive
[14:22] <AceKing> lordievader: If you're still here, I found my VPN problem. I had to disable IPV6.
[14:22] <TJ-> regedit: I'm using 346; not noticed that... which edge?
[14:23] <regedit> TJ-: top, of the HDMI (external) monitor
[14:23] <TJ-> regedit: I've got 6 monitors on 4 X screens; don't see that
[14:23] <yossarianuk> regedit:  this highlights a problem I keep mentioning and it one of the things holding back Ubuntu (and other distros) from the desktop.
[14:23] <yossarianuk> It is madness that Ubuntu do not offer the latest Nvidia driver by default - i.e a package that always has the latest stable version. The version in 15.04 was the latest upon release, it wasn't a week or so later
[14:24] <yossarianuk> They stick with a version of the Nvidia driver with known bugs and that doesn't support the latest hardware in the name of stability - i.e keep a known buggy version. They should at least offer the latest IMO, its not like the Ubuntu devs can fix the driver as its closed source.
[14:24] <yossarianuk> People running Ubuntu 12.04 or 14.04 will have a worse time playing games on Steam than those of 14.10/15.04 unless they have manually installed the driver from nvidia.com (but this opens up a world of potential issues also).
[14:24] <yossarianuk> (just my 2 pennies on this subject)
[14:25] <lordievader> AceKing: Hehe ;)
[14:25] <regedit> i hear ya yossarianuk
[14:26] <AceKing> lordievader: I appreciate your patience, and help. At least we know the fix.
[14:26] <TJ-> yossarianuk:  you make it sound so simple, but it isn't
[14:26] <lordievader> AceKing: Sure, no problem.
[14:28] <regedit> also (i may have asked about this once before) is it ok/safe / how do i install mysql in kubuntu? there seems to be some mysql already installed, for akonadi purposes as far as i can tell
[14:28] <yossarianuk> TJ-: building a new package takes about 15 mins. Keeping an older package (that is known to be broken and doesn't support latest h/w  is silly imo - sure keep a version the same but at least always offer the latest.
[14:28] <yossarianuk> if someone buys a new nvidia card then probably cannot run ubuntu for 6 months unless they manually install the binary driver
[14:28] <lordievader> regedit: Client or server?
[14:29] <TJ-> yossarianuk: Wrong. The packages change, and sometimes require a *lot* of work to maintain upgrades
[14:29] <yossarianuk> (by the time that is explained a newbie has already removed Linux and gone back to Windows I fear)
[14:30] <yossarianuk> sure they change... It would be best if somehow the .deb merely automated downloading the latest .RUN nvidia binary, then the devs wouldn't have to do much
[14:30] <regedit> lordievader: uh, either/both?
[14:30] <TJ-> yossarianuk: I'm one of those devs; believe me, it's not that simple
[14:31] <yossarianuk> I've mantained a PPA with nvidia and the same debian folder pretty much worked for several versions.
[14:31] <lordievader> regedit: sudo apt-get install mysql-server mysql-client
[14:31] <yossarianuk> i. .340 .346 ,etc etc - I know what is inviolved.
[14:32] <regedit> lordievader: i see this installed: mysql  Ver 14.14 Distrib 5.6.24, for debian-linux-gnu (x86_64)
[14:32] <TJ-> yossarianuk: so you've had to manage the split with uvm
[14:32] <regedit> lordievader: mysql-client-core-5.6 and mysql-server-core-5.6
[14:33] <lordievader> regedit: So you have both already?
[14:33] <yossarianuk> TJ-: yes, that was the main difference - I was aware as I also build the nvidia package in Arch (for rt kernel)
[14:33] <regedit> lordievader: and the server (daemon) mysqld  Ver 5.6.24-0ubuntu2 for debian-linux-gnu on x86_64 ((Ubuntu))
[14:33] <regedit> lordievader: these seem to come installed with kubuntu, i think for akonadi
[14:33] <yossarianuk> obviously 'i'm' o.k - but want it possible for anyone to have the latest version if they wish (easily)
[14:34] <TJ-> yossarianuk: for folks who want later versions there's the xorg-edgeres PPA, along with the HardWare Enablement packages
[14:34] <regedit> i actually tried the xorg edgers for a bit
[14:34] <lordievader> yossarianuk: They do, they can simply download the latest from the nVidia website.
[14:34] <regedit> the driver was behaving OK-ish, but then i realized you have to switch *everything* to their repo...
[14:35] <regedit> so i uninstalled the edgers driver
[14:36] <BluesKaj> I don't understand spending 400 bucks on higher end gpu for gaming on linux when you can buy a gaming console for the same price
[14:36] <regedit> lordievader: what should i do in this case? is it ok/safe to install mysql proper? should i uninstall this existing mysql "core" ?
[14:36] <regedit> you can buy 4 ouyas too
[14:36] <lordievader> regedit: If you install mysql-server you get everthing you need.
[14:36] <lordievader> everything*
[14:37] <regedit> lordievader: i can install that safely alongside these mysql-cores?
[14:37] <lordievader> regedit: Yes, mysql server uses that package itself.
[14:37] <lordievader> It depends on it.
[14:37] <regedit> ok
[14:37] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: some people do 3d modelling, etc
[14:38] <yossarianuk> regedit: exactly my issue with xorg-edgers
[14:39] <yossarianuk> i.e I just wanted the nvidia driver update - I wanted the rest of my system  to remain stable.. not upgrade xorg, etc as well (may as well be using arch if you upgrade lots of components)
[14:40] <yossarianuk> anyway - this is my minor niggle for the desktop
[14:40] <yossarianuk> its not just kubuntu/ubuntu - most other distros its the same.
[14:40] <yossarianuk> Really if nvidia offered a apt repo that would be better
[14:40] <yossarianuk> (or just opensourced their driver)
[14:41] <lordievader> Heh, why would they do that.
[14:41] <regedit> as linus famously said...
[14:41] <regedit> <love and tolerance> YOU NVIDIA!
[14:43] <TJ-> You have to remember the Nvidia driver on Linux is the same one used on Windows, with a kernel wedge between to managed the interface differences, so unlikely it would be open-sourced
[14:44] <regedit> is there at least some sort of roadmap / blog / mailing list etc. i can follow to see where things are holding for the next ubuntu-supported recommended nvidia drivers?
[14:49] <kaiserA> Hi, I think I might have broken something
[14:54] <Kaiser> Hi, I think I bongled up, kde isn't starting and this is after a resintal of the OS, I just get a black screen with the cursor. Any ideas?
[14:56] <TJ-> regedit: which kubuntu release are you using?
[14:56] <Kaiser>  15
[14:56] <BluesKaj> Kaiser,  ctl+alt+F1-F6 , update and upgrade
[14:58] <Kaiser> Ok, trying it
[14:58] <Kaiser> Yeah, what confused me the most is the fact it just didn't work even after a resintal.
[14:59] <regedit> TJ-: 15.04
[14:59] <Kaiser> Also I do t know how to switch WM from the command line so I can't just try and see if i3 works
[15:00] <BluesKaj> Kaiser,  offhand , do you know which graphics card?
[15:01] <Kaiser> It's an amd something something, I don't really remember the number but it wasn't anything to big
[15:01] <Kaiser> R7 something
[15:02] <BluesKaj> radeon maybe
[15:02] <Kaiser> Yeah
[15:03] <TJ-> regedit: you can download the packages manually from the xorg-edgers PPA archive, by selecting the version you want (349, 352) and the within the version directory, pick the .deb files that match the architecture (e.g. amd64) and release (15.04), then install them locally using "dpkg -i"
[15:03] <TJ-> regedit: start from here: http://ppa.launchpad.net/xorg-edgers/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/n/
[15:03] <BluesKaj> usually the xserver-xorg-video-ati drive will get a desktop
[15:03] <Kaiser> Ok, I'll try that out if after the reboot it still doesn't work
[15:03] <BluesKaj> driver
[15:04] <regedit> TJ-: see the PPA page "== Important notice ==This PPA is currently meant to be used as a whole. Please do _not_ individually install packages from it, add it to your sources and let your package manager pull in every update. The packages here build against each other and compile different features based on whats available at build time. Do not assume that because it lets you install a DDX with just the driver and libdrm update that it
[15:04] <regedit> will work..."
[15:05] <regedit> * WARNING: Do not use this PPA with the precise X backport stacks, aka if you fresh install of 12.04.2 or newer...
[15:06] <regedit> unless "or newer" refers to newer of precise (12) only
[15:06] <regedit> still previous notice is quite scary
[15:08] <lordievader> Running new stuff on very old software IS scary.
[15:11] <TJ-> regedit: that doesn't affect the nvidia drivers; only the Xorg stack
[15:12] <regedit> TJ-: oh?? is that so?
[15:12] <regedit> that is good news!
[15:12] <regedit> so i can haz use the xorg-edgers nvidia drivers then? coooool!
[15:13] <TJ-> regedit: the reason for the warning is that the xorg drivers are heavily intertwined. Originally it didn't include nvidia drivers but they're almost essential now so are included to ensure wide testing before hitting the main repos
[15:13] <TJ-> regedit: Yes... I'm currently writing a simple bash script - if you can wait for it - that automates the fetching
[15:14] <regedit> TJ-: waiting totally patiently
[15:14] <Kaiser> Ok,mupdating done, rebooted and still the same black screen with a cursor. So how do I get those packages on the command line?
[15:28] <Kaiser> Ok, I gave up with kde, downloaded i3 how do I start it from the command line?
[15:31] <Kaiser> Hello?
[15:32] <rodolfojcj> hello
[15:32] <Kaiser> How do I start a different wm from the command line?
[15:32] <Kaiser> Because kde isn't working and I have i3 installed
[15:34] <rodolfojcj> review if the system has some commands available like kdm, lightdm or startx
[15:35] <rodolfojcj> some time ago I used kdm, but my system now has lightdm
[15:35] <rodolfojcj> I use Debian/Ubuntu based systems
[15:35] <Kaiser> Only starts did something, and it took me back to the black screen
[15:36] <Kaiser> Startx Pardon me
[15:36] <rodolfojcj> ok
[15:36] <rodolfojcj> review the log files
[15:36] <Kaiser> Where are they?
[15:37] <rodolfojcj> in my system I have mainly /var/log/Xorg.0.log, /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log and /var/log/syslog
[15:38] <rodolfojcj> some of them may require supueruser privileges, so you could use sudo command
[15:38] <rodolfojcj> and some kind of command like less, vim, view or nano
[15:38] <rodolfojcj> I would use less
[15:39] <rodolfojcj> I mean something like this command: sudo less /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log
[15:40] <rodolfojcj> also, it could be useful to know if i3 uses some specific log file
[15:40] <Kaiser> Holly crap they are huge
[15:40] <rodolfojcj> go to the end
[15:40] <Kaiser> I do t even know how to start it
[15:40] <Kaiser> Ok
[15:44] <Kaiser> I'm giving up, Iis there a way to force the OS to use another wm from the start?
[15:46] <Kaiser> I'll just download gnome Ubuntu and be done with it. Bye
[15:47] <rodolfojcj> bye
[15:50] <BluesKaj> another satisfied customer :-)
[15:55] <BluesKaj> plasma problems are turning potential users away from kubuntu I'm afraid , it's unfortunate that the many drastic changes  aren't mature enough for a stable OS
[16:00] <regedit> shouldt he have done sudo systemctl restart sddm?
[16:05] <TJ-> regedit: It appears to work for me at least! It's a bash shell script, I have it in "/usr/local/bin/" ... once downloaded put it where you want and don't forget to "chmod a+x ..." to make it executable, then run it   https://iam.tj/projects/misc/wget_nvidia_drivers.bash
[16:08] <BluesKaj> regedit,  or sudo systemctl enable sddm...guess we should ahve suggested that, but I had my own problem with nvidia drivers to solve here
[16:10] <BluesKaj> too bad systemd doesn't init sddm by default
[16:55] <regedit> TJ-: thanks!
[16:55] <regedit> TJ-: wow that's quite a script
[16:56] <regedit> last time i tried, i added the xorg-edgers PPA and suddenly their latest drivers were showing up in Driver Manager
[16:56] <regedit> does that have a similar effect TJ-?
[16:57] <TJ-> regedit: No. all the script does is fetch the nvidia packages
[16:57] <TJ-> regedit: It uses dpkg to install them, but they're not in apt's lists
[16:58] <regedit> is it problematic to add their PPA if all i want is the nvidia stuff? or will that cause conflicts & issues with getting other stuff from their repo as well
[16:58] <TJ-> why are you adding the PPA?
[17:11] <regedit> TJ-: last time that's the instructions i found online to do, and thereafter the xorg-edgers drivers showed up in kubuntu's Driver Manager GUI
[17:11] <regedit> which is merely cool
[17:12] <TJ-> regedit: Thats' why I said not to add the xorg-edgers PPA else along with the drivers showing up in a pretty GUI/apt, other packages will get upgraded that you don't want
[17:12] <regedit> right ok
[17:13] <regedit> alright then, your bash script it is
[17:13] <TJ-> regedit: This script just automates the task of manually downloading the correct nvidia packages from the web server that hosts that PPA's files, but without adding the PPA to apt's source lists
[17:14] <regedit> right, which is super cool actually!
[17:19] <BluesKaj> interesting TJ-, but i just install the recommended driver with apt. My 8400gs nvidia card is just entry level so it's hard to muck it up.
[17:20] <BluesKaj> except on debian jessie
[18:23] <regedit> uh, bit of a hitch here with plasmashell
[18:24] <regedit> i just recovered from a problem where .cache/ksys<wtvr>5 was owned by root
[18:24] <regedit> now things are a bit better, but no widgets and taskbar
[18:24] <regedit> with main K menu thingy icon
[18:24] <regedit> how do i restore that again please?
[18:25] <lordievader> Sounds like you opened gui apps with sudo.
[18:25] <regedit> maybe...
[18:26] <regedit> but right now find ~ -not -user regedit returns nothing
[18:26] <regedit> nor find ~ -not -group regedit
[18:27] <regedit> what were the other things to do to restore sanity to plasmashell?
[18:27] <regedit> delete .cache completely?
[18:28] <regedit> but it's all chowned and chgrped to me
[18:29] <regedit> anyone...please?
[18:31] <lordievader> !patience | regedit
[18:43] <regedit> TJ-: do i need to uninstall nouveau first?
[18:43] <regedit> TJ-: or do i just go ahead and let it install all the debs it downloaded
[18:44] <TJ-> regedit: The nvidia packages blacklist nouveau
[18:45] <regedit> TJ-: what does blacklisting mean, it takes care of removing them or something?
[18:45] <TJ-> regedit: "/etc/modprobe.d/" controls what modules can be loaded, what options they are passed, and so on. Blacklisting means a module is prevented from loading
[18:46] <regedit> ahh i see ok
[18:46] <regedit> TJ-: also there's nvidia-settings and whatitcalled... nvidia-power?
[18:46] <regedit> prime
[18:46] <regedit> nvidia-prime, aren't those needed too?
[18:47] <BluesKaj> 2optimus gpu system /
[18:47] <BluesKaj> err optimus
[18:49] <regedit> TJ-: also sudo dpkg -i . breaks with dpkg-split: error: error reading .: Is a directory
[18:51] <TJ-> regedit: hmmm, that's a good point, I'll add support for that
[18:51] <regedit> TJ-: perhaps sudo dpkg -i *.deb ?
[18:53] <regedit> TJ-: are those nvidia-* things i mentioned actually dependencies? i got some dependency problems at the end of the script
[18:54] <regedit> in fact i think they all failed due to unmet dependencies
[18:54] <regedit> nvidia-352 depends on dkms; however: Package dkms is not installed.
[18:55] <regedit> nvidia-352 depends on linux-libc-dev; however: Package linux-libc-dev is not installed.
[18:55] <regedit> and so forth
[18:55] <TJ-> regedit: I think I forgot to add -r
[18:56] <regedit> TJ-:  ah leme try that, is it ok to rerun the script over & over?
[18:56] <TJ-> regedit: Yes, it should read "  sudo dpkg -ri ."
[18:56] <TJ-> regedit: Yes, if files are already downloaded it won't fetch them again
[18:57] <regedit> TJ-: and its ok if it re-installs them or whatevr?
[18:57] <TJ-> actually -R not -r
[18:57] <regedit> ok
[18:59] <regedit> TJ-: hm same errors
[19:02] <TJ-> regedit: Ahh, I thought your system would already have DKMS installed. "sudo apt-get install dkms"
[19:02] <regedit> ok
[19:02] <regedit> is that something that helps with package dependencies?
[19:04] <BluesKaj> !dkms
[19:04] <regedit> looks like apt-get -f install needs to happen after the dpkg command?
[19:05] <BluesKaj> regedit,  did you sudo dpkg --configure -a , first?
[19:05] <BluesKaj> then run -f install
[19:05] <regedit> BluesKaj: uh, no not that i know of..
[19:09] <regedit> alright well i ran all those commands now and i think things went ok this time round
[19:09] <regedit> im'a reboot and see what happens
[19:09] <BluesKaj> regedit,  normally that's what i do with dependency problems the configrue -a command then the -f install
[19:10] <BluesKaj> ok
[19:10] <regedit> thanks
[19:10] <TJ-> I'll add to the script to ensure dkms is installed
[19:10]  * regedit installs weechat-curses for when things go horribly wrong and need to switch to ctrl+alt+F1
[19:10] <regedit> TJ-: awesome
[19:11] <regedit> alright here goes..
[19:16] <regedit> lo and behold, i am using weechat-curses...
[19:16] <TJ-> regedit: it worked then?
[19:16] <regedit> when i reached the login screen my monitors flashed off to black and remain that way
[19:17] <regedit> tried sudo systemctl restart sddm few times, didnt help..
[19:17] <TJ-> regedit: did you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? It may contain entries for nouveau
[19:17] <regedit> checking
[19:18] <regedit> TJ-: can't find the word nouveau in there
[19:18] <regedit> i do see some intel and some nvidia though
[19:19] <TJ-> regedit: Does the PC have low/hi power GPUs, and need nvidia-prime too?
[19:19] <regedit> TJ-: oh, i didnt install those nvidia-* things i myswlf mentioned
[19:20] <regedit> my system does have 1 embedded intel 4000, and (i guess discrete) nvidia 610M
[19:22] <regedit> should i reboot or can i just restart sddm now?
[19:22] <regedit> now that i installed nvidia-settings and nvidia-prime (and related)
[19:22] <TJ-> nvidia-prime comes from the standard archive, "sudo apt-get install nvidia-prime"
[19:22] <regedit> yup did that
[19:23] <regedit> i saw it re-do the DKMS thing
[19:23] <regedit> shall i reboot now?
[19:24] <TJ-> probably easiest, yes
[19:24] <regedit> k
[19:27] <regedit> aha! well that worked
[19:27] <regedit> but owww my eyes, fonts too tiny
[19:27] <regedit> dpi wrong much?
[19:27] <BluesKaj> hi res maybe small fonts as default
[19:28] <regedit> what do i need to fix, the res? the dpi? the fonts?
[19:29] <BluesKaj> system settings>application appearance
[19:30] <regedit> Application Style?
[19:32] <regedit> cant find anything relevant there...
[19:37] <BluesKaj> regedit,  sorry I'm on debian atm , look for the fonta by pssing your cursor over the application icons in sys settings , i9t's there
[19:39] <BluesKaj> they keep changingf system settings so often it's hard to remember
[19:39] <regedit> BluesKaj: so the issue in this situation is really that the fonts are out of proportion? not the nvidia drivers something?
[19:40] <BluesKaj> the fonts and dpi , plus check your resolution
[19:40] <regedit> resolution matches the monitor's capacity
[19:40] <regedit> dpi is usually 96, no?
[19:40] <regedit> so if those 2 check out, it's the fonts?
[19:41] <regedit> weird
[19:41] <BluesKaj> if you have a regular desktop monitor and the fonts are too small then the resolution might be very high
[19:42] <BluesKaj> or you have a high res screen on your laptop
[19:43] <regedit> well this monitor is supposed to be 1650x1080
[19:43] <regedit> both resolutions fill the monitor's official capacity
[19:43] <BluesKaj> check dispaly and monitor in sys settinds
[19:43] <regedit> ye i've been dancincg around there all this time now...
[19:44] <regedit> where does the config for System Settings > Fonts get saved? i wanna check what i used to have before reformatting
[19:45] <BluesKaj> dunno i just use sytem settings to find what I need and change it there
[19:47] <TJ-> regedit: I've had issues where DPI is calculated wrongly with rotated monitors. Each display *should* provide its physical dimensions to the driver in the EDID block that tells the driver what resolutions the monitor supports.
[19:48] <TJ-> regedit: first thing to check is "xrandr -q"
[19:49] <regedit> TJ-: it looks like resolutions are fine, just proportions thereafter are tiny... checking
[19:49] <regedit> yup, checks out
[19:49] <regedit> laptop display is 1366x768       60.1*+ and external monitor is 1680x1050      60.0*+
[19:50] <TJ-> yeah... but the proportions are *calcualted* by dividing the dimensions by the resolutions
[19:50] <TJ-> regedit: HDMI-0 connected primary 1200x1920+0+0 right (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 518mm x 324mm   <<<<<<< 518 x 324
[19:50] <regedit> VDS1 connected primary 1366x768+0+576 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 309mm x 173mm
[19:50] <regedit> missing *L at beginning
[19:51] <regedit> HDMI1 connected 1680x1050+1366+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 474mm x 296mm
[19:52] <BluesKaj> of course I use a large screen plasma/monitor ...linux is much better at handling res and and fonts than Windows...much more flexibility with the options on linux
[19:52] <regedit> the 1st one is the laptop monitor of my Lenovo U410. 2nd is an Acer X223W LCD
[19:53] <TJ-> regedit: so 1366/309  ~= 112dpi
[19:53] <regedit> hm
[19:54] <regedit> how does this work, is there a per-monitor DPI setting anywhere?
[19:54] <regedit> wouldnt the manufacturer specify what the right DPIs should be?
[19:54] <TJ-> regedit: It's calculated
[19:54] <TJ-> 1366 / (309 / 25.4) =~ 112 DPI
[19:55] <TJ-> 1680 / (474 / 254.4) ~= 90 DPI
[19:55] <TJ-> !typo!
[19:57] <regedit> so what does that mean then
[19:57] <TJ-> I discovered a bug where if a screen is rotated, the calculation goes wrong, in that it uses the new horizontal pixels (that was the vertical) but still uses the original horizontal width, resulting in some pretty weird and enlarged rendering
[19:58] <TJ-> regedit: do both displays look as if the characters are too small, or only one of them?
[19:59] <regedit> TJ-: does it count if i move the window back & forth between them?
[19:59] <regedit> it looks small in both it seems
[20:00] <TJ-> regedit: OK, that sounds more like the overall desktop DPI setting might need adjusting, assuming the theme/fonts are set to default currently
[20:01] <regedit> by now i increased/decreased them back & forth several times, funny thing is somethings look better some look worse...
[20:03] <TJ-> Are you forcing the font DPI?
[20:03] <regedit> currently yes (as mentioned, twiddling back & forth continuously trying to find what works
[20:04] <regedit> i think forcing 96 + increasing the font sizes by 2pt each makes things rather sane-ish
[20:04] <regedit> it's just weird that it boils down to that combo... is something *else* wrong and i'm just placing a bandaid on the issue?
[20:05] <TJ-> regedit: hard for us to imagine, but that value ought to be set to make the monitor with the smallest fonts most comfortable
[20:06] <TJ-> I'm using all1920x1200 screens so the DPI calc is constant, but I wonder if it is because you've got 2 monitors with such different DPIs its finding it difficult to pick a happy medium
[20:06] <BluesKaj> that's it for me ...calling it a day, later
[20:07] <regedit> hm
[20:07] <regedit> how come Windows figures this out somehow?..
[20:07] <regedit> what do they do, variable DPI per screen maybe?
[20:07] <regedit> or the average/difference between all dpis?
[20:08] <regedit> so i should take the middle between 90 and 112? that is roughly 96 isnt it
[20:09] <regedit> well 101 really
[20:11] <kbroulik> is driver manager not released along with 15.04, or how do I get hold of proprietary nvidia driver?
[20:13] <kbroulik> ok, seems kubuntu-driver-manager wasnt installed here but I wonder whether it comes by default
[20:15] <krytarik> kbroulik: It's a recommend of 'kubuntu-desktop', yes.
[20:16] <kbroulik> krytarik: ok thanks
[22:43] <z4g47> hi, i need help with my sound card


[08:24] <robin_> Is anyone officially here?
[08:25] <diogenes_Vx15> !ask | robin_
[08:29] <robin_> Doing development, x11/cairo/c++/VScode. The desktop is crashing about .. maybe a dozen times a day. Since isntalling, I've had corrupted apt databases twice in the last week.
[08:30] <robin_> System logs are relatively clean. But when the system goes down, *everything* crashes.
[08:31] <robin_> Seems like some kind of resource leak in the graphical systemsystem, maybe. I'm using XRDP to connect, which probably has something to do with it. But I've had the same issue twice today with direct login.
[08:32] <robin_> Is it just unreasonabel to expect my system to say up for weeks at a time like a Windows or mac desktop? Or like my Raspberry Pi ?
[08:35] <robin_> Trying to decide wheter I just need to moderate my expectations, or whether I need to run this down further.
[08:38] <robin_> Single line quesstions:
[08:39] <robin_> Is XRDP stable on Plasma+Ubuntu 22.0.4?
[08:40] <robin_> I isntalled Ubuntu 22.04/Gnome, and then installed KDE/Plasma. Would I be better with a clean Kubuntu install?
[08:42] <robin_> What's with the borked updates? Is that a normal thing for Ubuntu?  Two corrupted "apt update" files, and whant i'm pretty sure was a borked update of libc last week.
[08:42] <robin_> So many single line question! lol
[08:43] <robin_> !patience
[08:44] <robin_> They are all different questions.
[08:48] <diogenes_Vx15> robin_, no clue about the XRDP package in Ubuntu but if you want to compare, you would need to try a different version or even a different system like Debian for instance.
[08:49] <robin_> It just seems like it's desperately in need of a lot love and attention. Like it worked 20 years ago, but none of the cool kids want to spend time keeping it running.
[08:50] <robin_> I've been using Realvnc which is rock stable. but only free on Raspberry Pi.
[08:53] <robin_> Oh. And also Ubuntu 21.x/gnome which had a really nice "Sharing configuration page", that enabled VNC with a single click.
[08:53] <robin_> Am I doing this wrong?
[08:55] <robin_> Remotely share a destop with a windows system on a headless server, with kubuntu 22.04. How do I do it?
[08:57] <robin_> I have Realvnc, and Remote Desktop on the windows system, but no X11... client.
[08:58] <robin_> And Mint, which also provided a simple procedure to enable remote desktop access.
[09:01] <robin_> Single line question: is there an easy way to remotely access a Plasma desktop on a headless Ubuntu 22.0.4 server?
[09:02] <diogenes_Vx15> are you accessing this box from a windows machine?
[09:02] <robin_> Yes.
[09:03] <diogenes_Vx15> why don't you just use WSL?
[09:04] <robin_> Because I don't want to blow half my ram on my main windows development machine on a WSL instance. Iand because  I'm developing a realtime audio app.
[09:07] <robin_> Is there any real advantage that wsl brings to the table over running Linux in a VM?
[09:07] <diogenes_Vx15> robin_, here are some suggestions for you from a famous AI: https://pastebin.com/CJ99VVxb
[09:08] <robin_> diogenes_Vx15: : Thanks, but not atually helpful.
[09:09] <robin_> Especially since the famous AI has no memory of anything that happened after 2021. :-P
[09:12] <robin_> Can you ask the famous AI what the most recent release of Ubuntu is?
[09:12] <robin_> diogenes_Vx15:  Can you ask the famous AI what the most recent release of Ubuntu is?
[09:13] <diogenes_Vx15> hehe 21.04
[09:14] <robin_> :-)
[09:20] <robin_> ohh!. Right. It was 22.04/gnome Ubuntu that has single-click enabling of RDP accesss. But it doesn't have a session manager, so you can't put the target machine on a rack in the server room because somebody has to be there to push the OK button. :-/
[09:23] <robin_> Coming from Windows world, this seems like such basic functionality.   Even Konsole does it. How do I make that stop?
[09:48] <robin_> brb. system is unstable again (running in a direct session)
[09:51] <robin_> k back
[09:52] <diogenes_Vx15> robin_, i suggers you also ask in #ubuntu too, there are a lot more users.
[09:57] <robin_> I suppose. They might have a solution for getting a session manager to run for their one-button RDC solution. I have a hard time with gnome thuugh. It's user iterface that seems to have been designed by 13 circus clowns packed into a clown car. :-(
[09:57] <robin_> Thanks diogenes_Vx15.
[09:57] <robin_> Gnome makes me angry just looking at it. lol
[09:58] <diogenes_Vx15> yep gnome is the most horrible think i have ever seen,
[11:10] <linux> Hi I've just got this message when I want to browse my 2Nd SSD with Dolphin „Error mounting /dev/sdb1 at /media/linux/samsung: Unknown error when mounting /dev/sdb1
[11:10] <linux> This is not the first time. What is wrong?
[11:11] <linux> Yesterday was everything fine and today I can't reach my data.
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[17:02] <rohan> i am trying to use the shipit service, however it gives an error saying "the number of requested CDs was not provided"
[17:04] <thorwil> newz2000: so i had one person asking if it would be possible to have a fixed script to always show the appropriate countdown banner
[17:05] <newz2000> thorwil: what do you mean?
[17:05] <thorwil> newz2000: is there currently a plan to switch to a get-ubuntu banner after the countdown series?
[17:05] <newz2000> yes
[17:05] <newz2000> I'll change it when the release team says its ready
[17:05] <newz2000> next thursday!!!!! :-o
[17:05] <thorwil> newz2000: apparently a lazy person, wanting to never change the script for the banner on his site ... ;)
[17:06] <newz2000> he won't have to
[17:06] <newz2000> I'll make the change on my end and all will be well (and automatica)
[17:06] <thorwil> newz2000: said get-ubuntu banner already exists?
[17:06] <newz2000> I think it's more like, "It's here!"
[17:08] <thorwil> newz2000: that's not what i mean. i'm well aware of that one. but it's not quite appropriate, say 2 weeks after the release
[17:08] <newz2000> oh, I see. Well, we could change that, and the display.js file will always work and the countdown will resume 30 days from jaunty's release date.
[17:10] <thorwil> newz2000: i could offer a spiral themed get-ubuntu banner, if wanted
[17:10] <newz2000> sure, if you want to do that I'll put it in about two weeks after release.
[17:10] <thorwil> ok, cool
[18:39] <thorwil> newz2000: what do you think, should i reduce the text to "Get Ununtu", or include the version numbers?
[18:39] <newz2000> include the version # I think (if it looks good)
[20:16] <AliTabuger7> I've been working even more on the spreadubuntu project, and was wondering if I could get some advice about multilingual content in drupal. Is ubuntu.com actually multilingual? I cannot tell.
[20:19] <newz2000> AliTabuger7: it is not
[20:19] <newz2000> I have no experience with doing multilingual content in drupal so don't know what the options are.
[20:20] <AliTabuger7> Oh. Really? I guess that means I don't have to try too hard. I thought that since the OS is so multilingual, the website would be.
[20:20] <newz2000> no, our policy in the past has been to use locos for l18n
[20:21] <newz2000> though we've planned to make it easier for people to find localized content in the future
[20:22] <AliTabuger7> well, you _may_ find some of what I've done with the SU website interesting if you wanted to try to make ubuntu.com multilingual. Interestingly, drupal uses .po files, so you could actually use launchpad for the translations.
[20:23] <newz2000> Interesting. We'll see how it goes, it's too far off for me to think about at the moment.
[20:24] <AliTabuger7> Yeah, I'm sure you are busy with 8.10 approaching quickly
[20:24]  * newz2000 wants to hide under the desk
[20:24] <AliTabuger7> By the way, is there anything I _can_ help you with?
[20:25] <newz2000> not really
[20:25] <newz2000> I just have a bunch of little things to do
[20:25] <newz2000> there may be something later this week
[20:25] <newz2000> right now i've hit that post-lunch slowdown and have to get my head back in the game
[20:26] <newz2000> going to apply the latest patch to launchpad auth for the fridge


[17:39] <u> hi!
[17:39] <u> is there a way to report a bug by email ?
[17:39] <uInTheShell> i'm running Debian, and need to file a bug against ubuntu-archive
[17:40] <uInTheShell> but.. seriously, I don't want to fire up a Ubuntu VM for this.
[17:40] <uInTheShell> documentation states nothing.
[17:41] <uInTheShell> actually, more specifically, if any of you have more precise instructions on how to request sync-blacklisting a package from Debian (which I maintain there), please shoot.
[17:41] <uInTheShell> I did not find anything
[17:55] <uInTheShell> great. fired up a vm. `ubuntu-bug sync-blacklist` and `ubuntu-bug ubuntu-archive` tell me that i cant report a bug to a package that cannot be installed.
[17:57] <teward> uInTheShell: i can help you file the bug, what package do you need a sync blacklist for, and what's the reasoning?
[17:57] <teward> does the package also need removed here in Ubuntu's release?
[17:57] <teward> s/release/devel release/
[17:59] <uInTheShell> teward: great thanks!
[17:59] <uInTheShell> https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/tails-installer
[17:59] <uInTheShell> that's a package i maintain
[17:59] <uInTheShell> in Debian
[17:59] <jtaylor> you can also just use launchpad
[17:59] <uInTheShell> and it changes way too much for now to be in any stable distribution.
[18:00] <uInTheShell> jtaylor: i tried to do that
[18:00] <uInTheShell> jtaylor: but, i can't see where i report a bug there :)
[18:00] <teward> uInTheShell: it's "report a bug" at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tails-installer
[18:00] <teward> alternatively: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tails-installer/+filebug may help
[18:00] <jtaylor> uInTheShell: launchpad.net/ubuntu there is a report bug unter "Get Involved"
[18:00] <teward> but if not, I can stab it
[18:01] <uInTheShell> yes, but there is " tails-installer in Debian does not use Launchpad for bug tracking. "
[18:01] <teward> uInTheShell: you're under /debian/
[18:01] <teward> compare your links again
[18:01] <teward> your link vs. my link
[18:01] <uInTheShell> oh i see
[18:01] <teward> uInTheShell: /ubuntu/+source/...
[18:01] <teward> i'm already started on the bug, you can comment in later.  :P
[18:01] <teward> or you can file the bug
[18:01] <teward> and i can go poke nginx with Debian to try and prep for the dynamic modules move >.<
[18:02] <uInTheShell> maybe it should be me because i am the maintainer of that thing
[18:02] <teward> works for me
[18:02]  * teward nukes the current tab in Chrome, and goes back to his terminal
[18:02] <uInTheShell> but.. how will the ubuntu-archive maintainers be aware of this?
[18:02] <teward> uInTheShell: we'll subscribe them
[18:02] <uInTheShell> i thought i should report this bug against sync-blacklist?
[18:02] <uInTheShell> ok!
[18:03] <uInTheShell> sorry for these stupid questions..
[18:03] <teward> not a problem :)
[18:08] <uInTheShell> teward: cool, I did it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tails-installer/+bug/1544207
[18:08] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1544207 in tails-installer (Ubuntu) "Please remove/sync-blacklist tails-installer from Ubuntu archive" [Undecided,New]
[18:08] <uInTheShell> thanks!!
[18:09] <uInTheShell> i suppose that i/we need to add<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to the subscribers?
[18:09] <teward> refresh your page
[18:09] <uInTheShell> <3333
[18:10] <uInTheShell> cool.
[18:10] <uInTheShell> thanks a lot.
[18:11] <uInTheShell> i feel way lighter now.
[18:11] <teward> they're not fast at replying though ;P
[18:11] <teward> busy busy after all
[18:11] <uInTheShell> yes i can imagine.
[18:12] <uInTheShell> so i shall be patient then.
[18:12] <uInTheShell> :)
[18:12] <uInTheShell> thanks again!


[01:11] <SousaGoose> What's shakin bacon's
[01:57] <mate|55669> hi, dudes
[04:13] <padgaland> wow once you install 1mate to a computer you cant try another distro if you want to lol
[05:37] <Talikkaf> Are there any Swedish people here?
[08:20] <rock64> hi
[08:20] <rock64> can someone help me with broken packages problem?
[08:26] <alkisg> rock64: what's the problem?
[08:57] <sunflowerastro> Hello, I occasionally get the error message "kernel panic-not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown block(0,0)" when I boot my system. I can get around this error by using the Grub Advanced boot options and selecting another kernel. When I reboot again using the kernel that failed to boot earlier the system will boot. Any suggestions on
[08:57] <sunflowerastro> what is happening? The first time that this happened I had five different kernels. I removed the oldest ones thinking that I had too many (filled up boot directory?), but that does not seem to be the issue.
[09:19] <gnugr> sunflowerastro: you have to reinstall grub, https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1751574
[09:43] <sunflowerastro> I tried reinstalling Grub from the Boot Repair CD when this happened the first time but that did not help
[11:29] <mate|66072> hello
[12:17] <jonah> hallo
[12:20] <diogenes_> helo
[12:20] <jonah> Do you know how to reset ubuntu to factory settings=
[12:21] <diogenes_> jonah, what do you mean by that?
[12:25] <jonah> My ubuntu doesnt work well
[12:25] <jonah> so i want to reset my system to factory settings
[12:25] <jonah> a sort of clean install
[12:28] <sixwheeledbeast> backup you stuff and use a live image to reinstall. Why does it not work well?
[12:29] <jonah> constantly closing tabs, can°t start browser and a few more little things
[12:29] <jonah> so it might be better to clean install it
[12:30] <jonah> oh by the way i°m working on a Raspberry pi 3 model B
[12:31] <sixwheeledbeast> ah that makes a difference. what version ubuntu-mate you using?
[12:31] <jonah> 16.04 the only one that works on a raspberry
[12:32] <jonah> if i can believe google lol
[12:32] <sixwheeledbeast> thats correct, there is also an issue I recall with RPi and Firefox so you may not need a clean install
[12:33] <sixwheeledbeast> assuming thats your browser
[12:33] <jonah> yes indeed
[12:33] <jonah> and i can°t play music or download music programs
[12:33] <sixwheeledbeast> what version ff is it?
[12:33] <sixwheeledbeast> oh
[12:34] <jonah> yesterday firefox worked well
[12:34] <jonah> where can i see wich version firefox i have=
[12:35] <sixwheeledbeast> are you asking a bit much of a RPi?    whats your load average or CPU %?   in Firefox>About
[12:35] <sixwheeledbeast> Also could be an issue with the SD card?
[12:36] <jonah> where can i see the cpu load
[12:37] <sixwheeledbeast> top in terminal
[12:38] <sixwheeledbeast> If you want to reinstall with RPi best to follow instructions on the ubuntu-mate.org site for RPi
[12:41] <jonah> cpu load is 70
[12:41] <jonah> a bit high lol
[12:41] <jonah> well i gonna try a reinstall thanks for your help so far
[13:14] <ricotz> alkisg, hi
[13:15] <ricotz> is the official firefox 60.0.1 build in ubuntu working fine on armhf?
[13:55] <sixwheeledbeast> I wouldn't think so, I guess RPi user?
[13:59] <sixwheeledbeast> I assume people are still using the ESR version or the multiarch workarounds on RPi3
[15:27] <Venkula> any help for Kaffeine skipping video on dvb-video ?
[15:28] <Venkula> Kaffeine skips dvb-video on Ubuntu mate 18.04
[17:02] <soporte> soy de Peru
[18:48] <Thales> Does anyone know of any RDP or VNC clients that will work with Ubuntu Mate?
[19:17] <alkisg> ricotz: ah I have firefox-esr, I didn't get to firefox 60 yet
[19:17] <paulaccessbee> on ubuntu 18.04 Mate when I try to load something from boutique the system says queued for installation but never downloads the software
[19:17] <alkisg> Thales: all of them work with mate
[19:18] <alkisg> paulaccessbee: apt install synaptic :)
[19:23] <paulaccessbee> I tried to load synaptic, but it was just  queued again
[19:37] <TechChristoph> not apt-get ?
[19:37] <TechChristoph> apt-cache search synaptic
[20:04] <swift110> hey all
[21:42] <CVirus> Hello, Whats a good clipboard manager for mate?
[23:36] <mate|87802> test
[23:50] <matjam> mate|87802: success
[23:50] <mate|87802> great
[23:53] <mate|87802> wat paket should i use to check my notebook temp?