[00:13] <MrCurious> E: jasper error, can not handle this disk type
[00:13] <MrCurious> then... it magically goes on to handle "that disk type"
[00:26] <Joergi_77>     /msg nickserv register panda<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:26] <Joergi_77> hahha
[00:29] <Joergi_77> hi guys
[00:29] <Joergi_77> i'm using my omap4 pandaboard with ubuntu 11.04 headless
[00:30] <Joergi_77> but i can't use the audio
[00:30] <Joergi_77> problem is here: http://groups.google.com/group/pandaboard/browse_thread/thread/4adab31bf7a229e0
[00:30] <Joergi_77> anyone aware of this issue?
[01:16] <MrCurious> there is a bug report for that
[01:16] <MrCurious> and in the bug report is a work around
[01:16] <MrCurious> i think the readme that comes with the distribution also tells a work around
[07:57] <persia> I thought there was an SRU that fixed that: new kernel, new alsa-libs
[10:45] <LBo> Hi all, I'm getting these errors when compiling hostapd: error: ?return? undeclared (first use in this function)
[10:46] <LBo> Yesterday my pandaboard froze when I loaded a new wireless driver
[10:46] <LBo> So I rebooted it and now I am getting compile errors
[10:47] <LBo> So I think some file is corrupted
[10:48] <woglinde> look into this file
[10:48] <woglinde> if there really is ?return?
[10:52] <LBo> The full line is: /usr/include/stdlib.h:281:3: error: ?return? undeclared (first use in this function)
[10:52] <LBo> And that line reads: return strtod (__nptr, (char **) NULL);
[11:01] <woglinde> I wonder where the "?" comes from
[11:03] <ogra_> invisible chars ?
[11:03] <woglinde> invisible
[11:04] <woglinde> than is something wrong
[11:04] <woglinde> try to reinstal libc and libc-dev package
[11:04] <woglinde> with apt-get install --reinstall
[11:18] <dmart> LBo, woglinde: the "?" looks like a locale issue in the error message.  You can see whether that's the case by doing export LC_ALL=C and then building again.
[11:19] <dmart> There is probably no ?return? in the source: it's just the compiler trying to print `return'
[11:20] <LBo>  dmart exactly
[11:20] <LBo> I think the ?'s are because of my irc client
[11:21] <LBo> So the error is: error: 'return' undeclared
[11:22] <dmart> LBo: it sounds like you may be right: either the source or the toolchain may be damaged.  Can you reproduce it with a simple test case (i.e., int f(void) { return 0; }) ?
[11:22] <dmart> More likely though, some source or headers got corrupted...
[11:23] <LBo> hello.c:7:1: error: ?return? undeclared (first use in this function)
[11:24] <LBo> I just did an: sudo aptitude reinstall libc6 libc-dev-bin libc-bin libc6-dev
[11:24] <LBo> But that doesn't make a difference
[11:25] <dmart> markos__: generally, any instruction with an "f" in is an obsolete mnemonic -- either FPA, or old-style VFP mnemonics (the modern syntax starts all the VFP/NEON mnemonics the "V" instead of "F")
[11:25] <dmart> oops, wrong channel again
[11:26] <dmart> markos__: where does this actually come from?
[11:27]  * dmart sighs
[11:27] <markos__> :)
[11:34] <woglinde> *g*
[11:34] <woglinde> linaro channel?
[11:35] <ogra_> yep
[11:39] <LBo> dmart: any ideas how I could fix this?
[11:40] <woglinde> LBo try to install new
[11:41] <woglinde> *sorry*
[11:49] <dmart> LBo: If you can easily reinstall, that might be easiest ... otherwise, if something is corrupted it could be tricky to find out what needs reinstalling.
[11:49] <LBo> Yeah, I'll do a little more searching and else I'm going to reinstall :(
[11:51] <LBo> Yesssss
[11:51] <LBo> sudo apt-get install --reinstall libc-dev-bin libc-bin libc6-dev cpp g++ gcc cpp-4.5 g++-4.5 gcc-4.5 worked
[11:52] <dmart> LBo: cool... maybe a header file got mangled
[11:53] <LBo> Yeah I had a few lockups in one hour and pulling the power on the pandaboard wasn't a good idea :s
[11:53] <LBo> I'm gonna Google for a setting to flush to disk a little faster
[12:17] <persia> LBo, If you're not using a rotary disk, be aware that more frequent flushing can have considerable negative performance implications.
[12:18] <persia> Actually, I should say "cached disk" rather than "rotary disk", as many of the SSD implementations have decent caching implementations that mask the details from the kernel.
[12:18] <persia> That said, pulling power is almost never a safe operation :)
[12:18] <LBo> Yeah I know but I only want to use it when I'm doing "dangerous" stuff
[13:21] <kunguz> I have installed lxde using apt-get install lxde command.
[13:21] <kunguz> But after the boot I end up with the terminal instead
[13:22] <kunguz> What to configure to reach to the desktop
[13:22] <woglinde> lookinto Xorg.log
[13:25] <kunguz> woglinde: let me paste my Xorg.log to pastebin
[13:29] <kunguz> woglinde: http://sudrap.org/paste/text/15555/
[13:30] <ogra_> kunguz, you shjould have installed lubuntu-desktop instead, that also pulls in a display manager (i.e. GDM)
[13:31] <kunguz> ogra_: ok let me install it
[13:31] <ogra_> i dont think the lxde package depends on any display managers
[13:31] <kunguz> ogra_: install is in progress, hope this helps. Thank you very much for the suggestion.
[13:32] <ogra_> welcome
[13:32] <ogra_> it should work
[13:34] <kunguz> ogra_: interesting, it returns as E: Broken packages
[13:34] <ogra_> thats natty ?
[13:34] <ogra_> or oneiric ?
[13:34] <kunguz> ogra_: yes
[13:34] <kunguz> ogra_: natty, it is
[13:34] <kunguz> ogra_: I felt like Yoda :D
[13:34] <ogra_> weird, can you pastebin ?
[13:34] <kunguz> sure
[13:35] <kunguz> ogra_: http://sudrap.org/paste/text/15556/
[13:46] <ogra_> kunguz, ugh
[13:46] <ogra_> kunguz, just install gdm then ... it should offer you lxde
[13:46] <ogra_> look like the lubuntu folks hardcode a dependency on chromium
[13:46] <ogra_> *looks
[13:55] <persia> Rather, the dependency on chromium is set based on metapackage construction, as the tasks aren't cleanly implemented yet.
[13:56] <ogra_> i guess its the latter, given thats natty
[13:56] <ogra_> iirc proper task generation for lubuntu is only in oneiric
[13:57] <persia> Did that get sorted?  I remember gilir looking at it, but I didn't hear that it landed.
[13:57] <ogra_> i just saw an upload mentioning it on -changes
[13:57] <ogra_> didnt look into if it works or so
[13:58] <persia> Ah, excellent.
[13:58] <ogra_> shouldnt you be in the aiR btw ?
[13:58] <persia> Doesn't matter until the SAN is available, really, as that's the major blocker, and it's hard to test this stuff with neither documentation nor working infrastructure.
[13:59]  * persia refuses to be limited in IRC activity by mere physical location or relative vector
[16:54] <sveinse> Does apt have a mechanism for deploying/distributing package update beside internet access? I need to be able to make a list of packages which a system needs and then distribute the update to the system using other means than network.
[16:55] <sveinse> I've tried apt-offline, but it uses a back and forth model where you'd have to transfer files to and from the system
[16:56] <sveinse> Installing the repo and/or packages on the system is not hard, but it's figuring which packages that should be included in the update
[17:59] <blu_> hi all
[17:59] <blu_> can anyone tell me is there any iic, spi or uart driver in ubuntu for expansion port in pandaboard ?
[20:37] <infinity> Now, if only I could get 1080p on the D-Sub output on this Quickstart, I'd be happy.


[00:04] <simon_> trying to activate child device host6 but parent (2-2:1.0) is not active ? on restart after what appears to b sucessful install of 16.10...
[10:39] <chatter> hey guys
[10:39] <chatter> allah is doing
[10:40] <chatter> sun is not doing allah is doing
[10:40] <chatter> to accept islam say that i bear witness that there is no deity worthy of worship except allah and muhammad peace be upon him is his slave and messenger
[12:03] <Guest80499> Hello, im a new user of linux can some one point me out some good learning materials please (Lubuntu or related) ? Thanks in advance
[12:07] <Guest80499> I also tryed to execute tor but it wont open.... can understand why...
[12:08] <Guest80499> Anyone to help out ?
[12:08] <leszek> Guest80499: I would suggest looking and the ubuntu wiki (wiki.ubuntu.com though the startpage is not really helpful) and the forum https://ubuntuforums.org/
[12:08] <leszek> *at
[12:09] <leszek> regarding tor. What do you want to do there ? If you want to browse with tor the easiest way would be downloading the tor browser bundle
[12:09] <Guest80499> Thank you leszek
[12:11] <Guest80499> yes i have downloaded that but when i extract the files in my drive and execute the tor setup it wont start
[12:14] <xnox> is qlubuntu usable? it does seem to have or pull in, a lot of kde dependencies, no?
[12:21] <leszek> Guest80499: is the binary file even executable ? Can you check the file properties
[12:21] <leszek> xnox: you mean lxqt based version ? Depends on what you mean by kde dependencies. A lot of libraries that are necessary for the desktop are KDE Frameworks 5 libraries
[12:22] <xnox> leszek, but e.g. plasma-workspace?
[12:23] <xnox> maybe i installed wrong meta package, there are a lot of them.
[12:24] <xnox> cuase i see:
[12:25] <Guest80499> im sry leszek, let me check
[12:25] <xnox> Lubuntu Netbook; Lubuntu Nexus7 session; Lubuntu; LXDE; LX Games; LXQt Desktop; Plasma; Lubuntu Qt session
[12:25] <leszek> xnox: plasma packages should not be installed
[12:25] <xnox> right, this is like way too many lubuntu things.
[12:25] <xnox> and i'm sure that Lubuntu Netbook and Nexus7 sessions are no longer supported, or are they?
[12:26]  * xnox thought X11 stack moved on, and we don't have drivers for that any more.
[12:26] <leszek> xnox: I am not familiar with them
[12:26] <xnox> i guess i want the "Lubuntu Qt session" i'm after the whatever qt based lubuntu session is being worked on.
[12:27] <xnox> launching that nothing happens.
[12:27] <xnox> i'm starring at a blank X11
[12:27] <leszek> xnox: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/LXQt the how can I help lxqt stuff is what you did ?
[12:29] <xnox> ok, wiped my settings and things are better.
[12:29] <xnox> leszek, kind of. I have fixed the plasma-workspace conflict.
[12:29] <xnox> i may have installed some other metapackage, but i do have lubuntu-qt-desktop installed.
[12:30] <xnox> did not remove things. It sounds weird that one needs to remove packages.
[12:30] <xnox> don't have a wallpaer, and things are not high-dpi
[12:30] <leszek> Its in a testing stage so its normal
[12:30] <xnox> work in progress.
[12:30] <xnox> =)
[12:30] <leszek> so I would suggest sticking to what is said there
[12:30] <leszek> also removing stuff
[17:02] <Capprentice>  segfault at 91 ip<PHONE_NUMBER>000091 sp 00007ffe2591c5e8 error 14 in systemd-resolved[559d67533000+4c000]
[17:03] <Capprentice> Any one have any idea what this ^ means?
[17:14] <TheSchaf> that there was a segfault at ip 91
[17:18] <genii> To get more useful output install systemd-dbg
[18:54] <jaybe23> how can I change the font style in lubuntu 16.04 ?
[18:55] <jaybe23> for example: when I type,  the font looks different from lubuntu 15.04
[19:11] <lapion> Whenever network-manager nm-applet finds that the network it is scanning on is fq ipv6 it does not look for ipv4 and even disables any profiles that insist on ipv4 until manually selected
[20:29] <james1138> Hello all and Happy Yule! I have a minor question - seasons related. Anyone know of any Ubuntu or Lubuntu greeting card maker? I found "KreetingKard" - but it will not install for some reason.


[08:11] <silly> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtQylTiL0eQ
[08:11] <datase> ^ YouTube :: KTM X-BOW GTX BURNING 24H Nürburgring 2022 Teichmann Racing :: Duration: 03:43 :: Views: 144 uploaded by German Test Drive :: 3 likes :: 0 dislikes :: 0 favorites


[00:00] <LjL> next time he sends factoids gratuitously to people, though, i swear i'll send it on a trip to the moon >:
[00:03] <Jordan_U> LjL: Because I see a lot of people try to give mallicious commands and fail. Like 90% of the people who try to get people to delete all their files but don't know that rm -r has protections for '/'. I agree that I was too accusitory though (which is why I apologised for it).
[00:04] <LjL> Jordan_U: yep, it was entirely possible he just failed at being malicious, but that's why i said that asking him "what was that intended to do?" would have been better. but i'm seeing you realize that yourself, so big +1 to you and hug.
[00:52] <tonyyarusso> Moon face is 99% illuminated. || Moon phase: Full || Next full moon is on Friday 09 December
[01:17] <elky> heh
[07:21] <Pici> Tm_T: cryptopsy is a troll fyi.
[07:22] <Tm_T> Pici: I did smell it, yes, but I'm waiting him to cross a line so I have reason to act (:
[07:23] <Tm_T> but thanks for the headsup (:
[07:23] <Pici> np
[07:23] <Tm_T> now I know I don't need to make it too obvious
[07:32] <elky> he's crossed plenty of lines previously, not really worth giving chances to
[07:33] <Tm_T> I see
[22:52] <LjL> meh, i've got zero tolerance for smartfaces
[23:07] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu-offtopic KittyBunny Going o4o and being generally someone to keep a close eye on


[00:00]  * Pelo hands nalioth  a barf bag
[00:00] <PriceChild> I'm sorry :/
[00:00] <mneptok> hey! that's my lunch!
[00:00] <Pici> ew
[00:00] <mneptok> anyone for corn and peanuts?
[00:01] <jussio1> !opsnack | mneptok
[00:01] <ubotu> mneptok: Chocolate!  And Peanuts!
[00:02] <mneptok> i like to eat cashews and see what Braille phrases i can feel when i poop.
[00:02] <mneptok> i make a lot of typos.
[00:02] <Pici> I think you mean morse, and eww.
[00:02] <mneptok> i mean Braille.
[00:02]  * Pici is glad he isnt eating.
[00:03]  * jussio1 takes the barf bag from nalioth and pukes in it
[00:03] <mneptok> hey! that's my lunch! (x2)
[00:05] <Ktron> Looking to be tested (changed the port)
[00:05] <PriceChild> Ktron, woo pass
[00:06] <PriceChild> Ktron, you may rejoin #ubuntu
[00:07]  * jussio1 hugs PriceChild cause he is a leeeeeeeegend!!
[00:07] <Ktron> PriceChild: thank you
[00:07] <mneptok> you won some beef jerky!
[00:09] <jussio1> ok, im going to bed... night all
[00:11] <Pici> goodnight
[00:38] <MartinW> How long should one stay off a channel after being kicked?
[00:39] <mneptok> what channel?
[00:39] <MartinW> #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:39] <Pici> MartinW: That was a ban, not a kick.
[00:39] <Pici> Well, a ban in addition to the kick.
[00:39] <MartinW> Wow.
[00:39] <mneptok> indeed it was.
[00:39] <MartinW> I added a disclaimer!
[00:39] <Pici> Amaranth: ping.
[00:40] <mneptok> MartinW: still not funny.
[00:40] <Amaranth> Pici: This is a contentless pong for a contentless ping
[00:40] <MartinW> OK Sorry then.
[00:40] <Amaranth> Man I need to get that script
[00:40]  * MartinW is staying of IRC for a while.
[00:40] <LjL> Amaranth: ping 12835
[00:41] <Amaranth> MartinW: The ban was so you wouldn't autorejoin
[00:41] <Amaranth> d'oh
[00:41] <jdong> Amaranth: I defeated that script by using $foo: contentless ping.
[00:41] <jdong> :D
[00:48] <gnomefreak> i edited mine to pm the user not show it in channel
[01:10] <MartinW> Have I been unbanned? I can talk on #ubuntu-offtopic without any problems.
[01:10] <Pici> MartinW: Amaranth stated right after you left that the ban was so you wouldnt autorejoin
[01:10] <Pici> And then dropped the ban.
[01:11] <MartinW> Oh. OK. I thought It was a bit harsh. Thanks then.
[02:55] <ubotu> IdleOne called the ops in #ubuntu (self_up)
[03:13] <mneptok> hm.
[03:13] <mneptok> what to do ...
[03:13]  * nalioth shoves mneptok out the airlock
[03:14] <mneptok> 22:06 < Snuxoll> mneptok: Bug off, people can do what they damn well please
[03:14] <mneptok> 22:06 < Snuxoll> mneptok: You don't have to be an ass either
[03:14] <mneptok> and now he has me on /ignore, either by client or by actual ignoring
[03:15] <nalioth> so where has he been doing as he damn well pleases?
[03:15] <mneptok> not responding to requests for clarification in PM. a /kb would get his attention, but it seems a moral gray area.
[03:15] <mneptok> -offtopic
[03:16] <nalioth> not sure i'm seeing anything o4o from him
[03:17] <mneptok> it was about Trevinho's crap repos
[03:18] <mneptok> Amaranth was deep in it, too.
[03:19] <crdlb> sounds jolly
[03:19] <mneptok> like a chainsaw vasectomy
[03:19] <Pici> *gasp*
[03:19] <jdong> mneptok: but how do you make the incisions cleanly with a tearing based blade?
[03:20] <crdlb> mneptok: you certainly have a way with words
[03:20] <mneptok> jdong: liquor.
[03:20] <mneptok> jdong: looks like hell in the morning, but while you're working you'd swear it's a scalpel.
[03:30] <mneptok> nalioth: could you suggest to Snuxoll that calling ops names on-channel and then /ignoring them is a not-so-great strategy? because otherwise i'll have to set him straight, which will involve kicking.
[03:30] <nalioth> in process
[03:31] <mneptok> nalioth: you = the tops
[03:31] <mneptok> i love his anti-WFM rant 30m after he called me an ass for saying the same thing.
[03:50] <nalioth> mneptok: evidentally he strained himself ignoring you and quit
[04:02] <Snuxoll> That was uncalled for
[04:02] <nalioth> Snuxoll: what was that?
[04:02] <Snuxoll> Banned from U-ot for posting http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=385981
[04:07] <nalioth> was it because you posted it to the possible detriment of folks' systems?
[04:07] <Snuxoll> No
[04:08] <nalioth> seems like you were asked not to post that stuff
[04:08] <Snuxoll> It's a simple guide to install AWN (a guide that has worked for me), I see nothing wrong with it
[04:08] <nalioth> !worksforme
[04:08] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[04:09] <Snuxoll> No, I am not saying !wfm, it has worked for many others
[04:09] <Snuxoll> And installing AWN...I see no way that could POSSIBLY harm someones system, worst case scenario it doesn't work and you remove the packages
[04:09] <jdong> Snuxoll: a developer well acquainted with the repository in question has stated clearly time and time again that it is not a safe repository to recommend
[04:10] <jdong> Snuxoll: there is great possibility of harm -- completely unusable dpkg thanks to poor packaging
[04:10]  * jdong finds the writer of the forum guide and works on a PM
[04:10] <Snuxoll> Please link to these issues if you can, because I have not heard anything about these issues
[04:11] <Snuxoll> In fact, if it's so detrimental to your system you might as well remove it from the forums
[04:11] <Hobbsee> pepole will always post crack
[04:11] <jdong> I already said I am contacting the author regarding putting a disclaimer in his guide.
[04:11] <mneptok> Snuxoll: additionally, i gave my opinion and you insulted me for it.
[04:12] <mneptok> Snuxoll: and with all due respect, my opinion on Ubuntu stability, use, and best practices counts for a bit more than the average user. i certainly don't deserve being called an ass and /ignored
[04:13] <Snuxoll> You didn't give an opinion, you said the repo was crap and scared everyone that used the repo into removing it
[04:13] <Snuxoll> No 3rd party repo is perfect
[04:13] <mneptok> that repo contains packages known to have detrimental effects
[04:13] <Hobbsee> Snuxoll: and some are worse than others, and we'd prefer that users didn't accidently break their systems using them.
[04:14] <crdlb> fyi, that's not trevinho's repo
[04:14] <Snuxoll> "AWN is still early in development, and contains many bug"
[04:14] <Hobbsee> crdlb: thank goodness.
[04:14] <mneptok> Snuxoll: frankly, i have more cause and better undrestanding to tell people to remove it than you have in telling them to use it.
[04:14] <crdlb> incase you didn't realize that
[04:15] <crdlb> just uses the same hosting service
[04:15] <Snuxoll> syzygy42 runs that repo
[04:16] <mneptok> Snuxoll: i tell them to not use it and i'm being "an ass." you tell them to enable it and you're "just trying to help." forgive me if i can't grok the disconnect there.
[04:16]  * Hobbsee notes that awn is likely to go into hardy anyawy
[04:16]  * jdong notes he will backport it when that happens
[04:16] <mneptok> which has also been noted. as has the possibility of a Gutsy backport.
[04:17] <Hobbsee> jdong: you can review it now.
[04:17] <mneptok> both of which i recommended people wait for.
[04:17] <Snuxoll> You telling them wasn't irritated me, the way you said it was
[04:17] <mneptok> so be irritated. but please do so quietly.
[04:18] <Snuxoll> On top of that, as crdlb stated above, the link I posted did NOT use trevinho's repo
[04:18] <mneptok> Snuxoll: still doesn't warrant ad hominem attacks.
[04:19] <Snuxoll> And you +b'ed me without noticing that
[04:19] <mneptok> no i didn't.
[04:20] <Hobbsee> Snuxoll: if it *had* been trevinho's crap, you would be asked to not even mention it, and would have been banned the second you said anymore about it.
[04:20] <Hobbsee> Snuxoll: so, fairly safe to say that people didn't think it was.
[04:20] <Snuxoll> I *was* banned the second I said anything about it
[04:20] <Snuxoll> Right after I posted that link
[04:20] <mneptok> no, you weren't.
[04:21] <mneptok> you mentioned it hours ago when you called me an ass.
[04:21] <mneptok> Amaranth and i both told you that recommending those external repos was a bad idea.
[04:21] <mneptok> you put me on /ignore. i chose not to make a big deal of it.
[04:22] <mneptok> then, hours later, you post the forum link.
[04:22] <mneptok> and got banned.
[04:22] <Snuxoll> whatever, I give up, the ops rule the channels and their opinions matter more than anything else.  Damn the users, good night
[04:22] <mneptok> and that's the end of that chapter.
[04:24] <jdong> and they lived happily ever after
[04:33] <elkbuntu> him being gone isnt necessarily a bad thing
[04:34] <Amaranth> crdlb: it's still broken
[04:34] <Amaranth> crdlb: the 'gutsy' package is built against feisty
[04:34] <mneptok> Amaranth: details, details ...
[04:35] <elkbuntu> mneptok, yeah, it's just something we ops have opinions about to damn the users
[04:35] <Amaranth> crdlb: I've yet to see _anything_ worthwhile on tuxfamily
[04:36] <Amaranth> crdlb: But I could have sworn trevinho had awn in his repo
[04:37] <Amaranth> and users don't know the difference either, they just say 'the tuxfamily repo'
[04:37] <jdong> Amaranth: meh it's forward compatible right ;-)
[04:37] <Amaranth> jdong: not at all in this case :P
[04:37] <jdong> lol
[04:37] <Amaranth> libwnck is a pain like that
[04:38]  * jdong smacks dpkg-source with a big hammer
[04:39] <jdong> ok fixed
[04:39] <jdong> PEBKAC :)
[04:39] <jdong> apparently VAR= and unset VAR are not equivalent
[05:53] <Snuxoll> OK, the pissy 'I just got banned for no good reason' mode has ended.....why do we instinctivley try and talk about our bans right after they happen anyways, always leads to bigger trouble.  Anyways, I just wanted to apologize for earlier, things could have been handled differently.  mneptok, as an answer to your question, I'm not sure why I said what I did, was just one of those spur of the moment things that didn't hit the 'SHUT UP' fil
[05:54] <Hobbsee> wow.
[06:05] <mneptok> whoa.
[06:05] <jdong> whoa
[06:05] <mneptok> that comes close to sucking up, but stays on the right side of the line to not make me feel icky.
[06:05] <jdong> mneptok: see? you two *do* live happily ever after.   Česky je možno se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Děkujeme.
[13:32] <Pici> They speak czec in slovakia?
[13:32] <jrib> well, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat says it forwards there
[13:33] <jrib> I have no idea
[13:37] <jussi01> well werent they once one country?
[13:41] <gnomefreak> i dont get why i cant see diff chars :( maybe the export LANG=C in my bashrc causes that?
[13:42]  * gnomefreak using current locale UTF-8
[13:43] <Pici> I use screen -U specifically for utf8 support, but I dont know if thats really needed.
[13:43] <gnomefreak> shouldnt be
[13:43] <PriceChild> Why is tzdata updated all the time... I thought there are huge plans lasting years? :/
[13:44] <Pici> When I was trying to get it to work I was sshed in using putty from a windows computer, which tends to make things even more confusing.
[13:44] <PriceChild> and wow its a free upgrade! :D
[13:44] <Pici> SCO's free timezone upgrade?
[13:48] <gnomefreak> !sk
[13:48] <ubotu> České uživatele žádáme, aby mluvili v kanále #ubuntu anglicky. Česky je možno se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Děkujeme.
[13:48] <gnomefreak> damnit
[13:49] <gnomefreak> does anyone see output of !sk without ? in it
[13:50]  * Pici sees no ?
[13:50] <gnomefreak> Pici: g-term?
[13:50] <Pici> gnomefreak: irssi + screen + putty (on windows)\
[13:52] <Pici> LANG=en_US.UTF-8
[13:52] <gnomefreak> where is that set?
[13:52] <Pici> I did /exec -o echo LANG=$LANG
[13:52] <gnomefreak> LANG=ALL
[13:53] <gnomefreak> mines set to LANG-ALL but i commented it out before
[13:53] <jussi01> hmmm, mine does not have ?
[13:53] <Pici> also irssi's /set term_charset = utf-8
[13:53] <gnomefreak> jussi01: added it in bashrc for chroots
[13:54] <gnomefreak> !sk
[13:54] <ubotu> České uživatele žádáme, aby mluvili v kanále #ubuntu anglicky. Česky je možno se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Děkujeme.
[13:54] <gnomefreak> much better
[13:54] <jussi01> perfect here...
[13:54] <gnomefreak> can i set that perm?
[13:54] <Pici> which? the /set ?
[13:54] <gnomefreak> yes
[13:55] <Pici> It will save automagically.
[13:55] <gnomefreak> sweet
[13:55] <gnomefreak> ty
[15:42] <Gary> what is this TobeLarted.txt file you speak of LjL ?
[15:43] <LjL> Gary: a file i just added you to for asking the question in the first place
[15:43] <Gary> haha
[15:43] <Gary> bring it on :p
[15:44] <LjL> Gary, mostly you can reproduce it by doing a /who #ubuntu-offtopic and pasting it :P
[15:44] <Gary> haha
[15:44] <Gary> yeah
[16:11] <Mez> LjL, your bots are annoying
[16:13] <LjL> what, they haven't cycled for a least half an hour
[16:15] <ubotu> In ubotu, arashOio said: This is an autoreply: I am currently not available. Please leave your message, and I will get back to you as soon as possible.
[16:16] <Pici> hm
[16:19] <jdong> LOL
[16:19] <jdong> at least it's not in infinite cycle :)
[16:24] <Mez> yet
[16:25] <jdong> dun dun dunnnnnn....
[16:26] <LjL> [17:26:28] [Whois] yacc is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(yacc)
[16:26] <LjL> now, i'm sick and tired of *always* seeing this guy in #ubuntu-unregged, especially before an attack
[16:27] <LjL> either some of you tell me he's a known person of some sort, or he gets a ban from there
[16:27] <LjL> registered 4 years ago, so one would think he's ok
[16:28] <LjL> but i can't see what business he has in -unregged really
[16:30] <Mez> LjL, possibly just a duff autojoin script when we're +R ?
[16:30] <Mez> (joins before identifying)
[16:31] <LjL> Mez, he joined when the channel was *not* +r, and i see him in there quite often when no +r has been set since ages
[16:33] <Pici> curious
[16:35] <Hobbsee> iz borken.
[16:39] <Tm_T> hi kids
[16:39] <Pici> Hi mom
[16:45] <Mez> Hobbsee, you're broken ?
[16:45] <Hobbsee> no
[16:51] <ubotu> dgjones called the ops in #ubuntu (reL (Spamming))
[17:16] <Pici> !test
[17:16] <ubotu> Failed.
[17:45] <LjL> anybody has long-period, 24/7 logs of #ubuntu with all joins, parts and quits, *and* with the quits being only for people who actually were on #ubuntu and not some other channels?
[17:46] <no0tic> LjL, no, but if you want I have them for #ubuntu-it :P
[17:46] <LjL> nah i need #ubuntu :P
[17:47] <jussio1> LjL: hang on, i _may_
[17:47] <no0tic> jussio1, I _june_
[17:47] <Tm_T> LjL: I do have logs
[17:47] <Tm_T> not very long period but some weeks maybe
[17:48] <jussio1> hmmm, where does konversation hide the logs?
[17:48] <LjL> hm no i'm looking for more... months, including release time
[17:49] <LjL> jussio1: the version i have, .kde/share/apps/konversation/logs
[17:49] <LjL> but i was told it changed some time ago
[17:49] <LjL> no0tic: that was quite terrible y'know. you should talk to ompaul.
[17:50] <no0tic> I think it was clever enough
[17:51] <jussio1> LjL: I only have back to october 6 - is that enough?
[17:51] <Pici> My logs are pretty complete, but they don't have 100% uptime.
[17:51] <jussio1> mine arent 100% either...
[17:52] <jussio1> but then again, not complete == not good enough, so ignore me...
[17:53] <LjL> jussio1, way better than nothing.
[17:53] <LjL> Pici, they don't need 100% uptime, but they must not have systemic bias... i.e. they must not always exclude some hours (while you're sleeping for instance)
[17:56] <LjL> see, http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/1343/uchartmi7.png
[17:56] <jussio1> LjL: well then mine maybe of no use. I sleep with the pc off. If you give me your email, Ill pop them over, they may still be of some help
[17:56] <LjL> this is the distribution of joins-parts every minute from my #ubuntu logs
[17:56] <LjL> jussio1: hm nope, i have logs like that too. but i definitely need 24h
[17:57] <LjL> i need to tune the floodbots so that the probability of bouncing off legitimate users is minimal
[17:57] <LjL> now for instance, they "seem" to behave nicely
[17:57] <no0tic> wow a normal!
[17:57] <Pici> you just want hourly data?
[17:57] <LjL> but if i look at the logs of while i'm sleeping (which is the time when the channel size increases, roughly), i get hits
[17:57] <LjL> Pici: no, that's by the minute, and i need to go by the minute
[17:58] <no0tic> is it a distribution of time(join)-time(part)?
[17:58] <LjL> nope
[17:58] <LjL> no0tic: i take every minute (00..59), and i count numberofjoins-numberofparts
[18:02] <Tm_T> LjL: erm, what exactly that graph is showing?
[18:02] <jussio1> LjL: I dont know for sure what ubuntulog does, or who owns it, but cant you get something from it?
[18:03] <Tm_T> yes
[18:03] <Pici> jussio1: I think there was an issue with joins/parts on ubuntulog, which is exactly what LjL is looking for
[18:03] <jussio1> ahhhh
[18:03] <LjL> jussio1: no, it doesn't have joins and parts
[18:04] <LjL> Tm_T: the x axis shows "number of joins minus number of parts in one minute", the y axis shows how many time that number occurred in #ubuntu according to my logs
[18:04] <LjL> the issue here is
[18:04] <LjL> i need to tune the floodbots. currently, they set the limit to 10 more than there are users in the channel
[18:05] <LjL> except that, if it increases by less than 4, or decreases by less than 6, they leave it unchanged
[18:05] <LjL> this seems to work well (i.e. the limit is never hit) between around 14 and 3 UTC
[18:06] <LjL> but at other times, i can see from the bots' logs that the limit is hit
[18:06] <LjL> so i need to somehow graph a distribution that lets me tune the algorithm so that hits only happen on actual attacks
[18:07] <Pici> I'd like to give you my logs, but a) they run of local time, not UTF, and b) part of it I got from tonyarusso
[18:07] <Pici> er UTC
[18:08] <Pici> I dont know if hes in the same timezone as me and dst might mess it up as well.
[18:09] <Pici> On the other hand, its 129mb.
[18:14] <LjL> Pici: i realize that... they're probably also easily compressible though. but they should also be all in the same format, so that i can extract joins and parts automatically from them
[18:15] <Pici> LjL: They're the same irssi log format.
[19:08] <LjL> Pici: also as for the 129mb, i don't really need the whole logs, i need the join, parts and quits. could just grep those. if some of the logs overlap, that shouldn't be much of a problem i think... as long as there is an overlap only on certain dates and not, say, one every day... right no0tic? if a couple of "minutes" are repeated a couple of times, it shouldn't really change anything
[19:09] <no0tic> LjL, if the statistics are high enough, it would not change much
[19:09] <LjL> the important part is that they have coverage for 24h a day, every day. downtime is ok, one week without any logs at all is ok... not having logs for saturday nights, for instance, is *not* ok
[19:26] <Pici> LjL: http://nullcortex.com/upload/joinquits.tar.gz
[19:28] <LjL> Pici: cool, thanks. what's your timezone by the way (i don't need it right now, but who knows)?
[19:28] <Pici> I'm EST (GMT-5)
[20:13] <Tm_T> http://www.tm-travolta.net/pics/DSC00031.JPG
[20:13] <Pici> snow!
[20:15] <Tm_T> quiz: what time of day
[20:15] <stdin> we had snow here the other day
[20:16]  * gnomefreak misses snow
[20:16] <Tm_T> come on, try a guess
[20:17] <PriceChild> morning
[20:17] <jdong> picture time.
[20:17] <Tm_T> :(
[20:18] <Tm_T> so weak :(
[20:18] <Tm_T> PriceChild: good guess, but no, it's midday
[20:18] <jdong> Tm_T: `jhead DSC00031.JPG | grep date`
[20:18] <jdong> that time? :)
[20:18] <Tm_T> jdong: can be very inaccurate
[20:19] <jdong> Tm_T: not if you set your camera up correctly :)
[20:19] <Tm_T> jdong: I don't have a camera except in my phone
[20:19] <jdong> shoudln't your phone's timestamp be set by the network then, and hence accurate?
[20:19] <Tm_T> unless I refuse to do so?
[20:20] <jdong> just to throw me off?
[20:21] <Tm_T> no, because I don't like the inaccuracy of network time
[20:21] <Tm_T> and/or my phone
[20:21] <jdong> ah
[20:22] <gnomefreak> jdong: congrats
[20:22] <jdong> gnomefreak: thanks :)
[20:22] <gnomefreak> np ;)
[20:23] <Tm_T> -> moon! http://www.tm-travolta.net/pics/DSC00032.JPG
[20:25] <Tm_T> can't wait the time when sun is up only an hour or two
[20:30] <Seeker`> Tm_T: where do you live?
[20:30] <Tm_T> Finland
[20:34] <Seeker`> Tm_T: North of the arctic circle?
[20:34] <Tm_T> south
[20:34] <Seeker`> Tm_T: by much?
[20:35] <Tm_T> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joensuu | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Location_of_Joensuu_in_Finland.png
[20:39] <Seeker`> cool
[20:39] <Tm_T> yes, especially during winter it's cool, even cold
[20:40] <Seeker`> at least you always have /some/ daylight
[20:41] <Seeker`> The UK is very warm for its latitude
[20:41] <Tm_T> Seeker`: well, daylight when you're inside in school/work etc?
[20:42] <Seeker`> Tm_T: I'm a student, so I have odd working hours
[20:42] <Tm_T> yup
[20:43] <Tm_T> anyway, just a few hours light doesn't save much when you go to school when it's dark, and go home when it's dark
[20:43] <Tm_T> :-P
[20:43]  * jussi01 understands that too well
[20:43] <Tm_T> heh
[20:43] <Tm_T> and wolfs <3
[20:44]  * Seeker` hasn't been further north then scotland
[20:44] <Tm_T> Seeker`: I haven't been outside Finland so...
[20:44]  * jussi01 lives here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oulu
[20:45] <Seeker`> How do you find the summers?
[20:45] <jussi01> ~200 k south of the arctic circle...
[20:45] <ubot3> jussi01: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[20:45] <jussi01> sigh
[20:45] <jussi01> Seeker`: summer in finland rocks!
[20:45] <Tm_T> indeed
[20:46] <Seeker`> how many hours of night do you get in the middle of summer?
[20:46] <Tm_T> 0-6
[20:46] <jussi01> Seeker`: what do you mean by night?
[20:47] <Tm_T> if you mean dark, none though
[20:47] <Tm_T> it's semidark only
[20:47] <jussi01> yep, semidark only
[20:47] <Tm_T> especially during june-july
[20:47] <Tm_T> you can read easily
[20:47] <Seeker`> so quite light then
[20:47] <Tm_T> true
[20:48]  * Seeker` would like to travel north to see the northern lights sometime
[20:48] <Tm_T> Seeker`: I would like to travel north in winter to see stars
[20:48] <jussi01> Seeker`: we have them here
[20:48] <Tm_T> and here
[20:49] <Seeker`> ooh, stars would be good too
[20:49] <gnomefreak> how do i know what to add for chatnet? server is irc.mozilla.org
[20:49] <Tm_T> mozilla then
[20:49] <Seeker`> I have a couple of telescopes, however, I haven't lived anywhere for 3 years with anywhere to use them
[20:49] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[20:52] <JanC> Seeker`: aw, no "dark naght day" (or whatever it's called ;) ) in the UK?
[20:52] <JanC> *night*
[20:52] <Seeker`> JanC: nope
[20:52] <Seeker`> JanC: It sucks.
[20:52] <JanC> we have 1 day when they disable all the street lights etc.  ツ
[20:53] <JanC> but of course they can't cut electricity for everyone...
[20:55] <JanC> there are some dark(er) areas here too (e.g. South-East of Ypres, where there is a (small) nature reservation & an amateur astronomy site)
[20:56] <JanC> not perfect, but better than most places  ;)
[20:58] <gnomefreak> im confused
[20:58] <gnomefreak> not confused anymore
[21:00]  * Seeker` has been to Ypres before
[21:00]  * jussi01 hits seeker with 10.21pm may 8th... http://www.box.net/shared/y1ubloadr2
[21:01] <jussi01> Seeker`: stupid tab key
[21:05] <Seeker`> wow, that is light
[21:13] <nalioth> does anyone know a graphical browser that has good uptime?
[21:13] <nalioth> galeon takes a big dump after a week or so
[21:13] <Tm_T> mmm
[21:14] <Tm_T> my Konqueror does decent job here
[21:14] <nalioth> konq doesn't play nice with some of my pages
[21:14] <Tm_T> though, I rarely run it more than 3 days
[21:14] <Tm_T> nalioth: I see
[21:14]  * crdlb was going to say firefox but he couldn't bring himself to actually do it
[21:14] <Tm_T> nalioth: true, google isn't friend of mine :(
[21:14] <nalioth> i have excellent machine uptime (but the browsers don't.)
[21:15] <crdlb> webkit is awesome though
[21:15] <nalioth> dunno what webkit is
[21:15] <Tm_T> backend like khtml or gecko
[21:15] <crdlb> that's what safari, konqueror, (and soon epiphany) use
[21:15] <crdlb> well it is khtml basically
[21:15] <Tm_T> na'a
[21:16] <crdlb> konqueror has/will switch :)
[21:16] <Tm_T> crdlb: true
[21:16] <Tm_T> Webkit is Khtml-based, and now finally Webkit is mature enough that we can use it instead of Khtml and thus removing duplication
[21:17] <gnomefreak> how do you toggle between servers in irssi?
[21:18] <Tm_T> ^X
[21:18] <Tm_T> that is, ctrl+x
[21:19] <gnomefreak> ty
[21:41] <gnomefreak> this is screwing up my channel order
[21:41] <nalioth>   gnomefreak /window move [number]
[21:42] <gnomefreak> [number] being the number i want it?
[21:43] <ubotu> In ubotu, erUSUL said: winprinter is Trying to print to a Windows Shared printer? Try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPPrinter
[21:43] <gnomefreak> oh that was bad :(
[21:44] <gnomefreak> ha ty i got it
[21:45] <gnomefreak> i guess to have mozilla.org connect after freenode i need to pause it
[21:46] <ikonia> PriceChild: come back of the day
[21:46] <ikonia> $10
[21:47] <ikonia> crozard getting ready to troll
[21:48] <gnomefreak> ikonia: use preemptive actions?
[21:48] <ikonia> nah, just getting ready.......
[21:48] <gnomefreak> where?
[21:49] <gnomefreak> #ubuntu?
[21:49] <ikonia> #ubuntu
[21:49] <ikonia> yeah
[21:50] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: was that a studder?
[21:51] <gnomefreak> he is gonna ping me to death
[21:51] <gnomefreak> he always does
[21:52] <ikonia> who does ?
[21:53] <gnomefreak> if its not the same please dont tell him to use it he is about level -10 in IQ :(
[21:54] <jussi01> hahaha, he is telling gnomefreak to cool it... :P
[21:54] <gnomefreak> jussi01: he wont last long in there
[21:54] <gnomefreak> he never does
[21:54] <ikonia> I did say its a guide but things won't be the same
[21:54] <gnomefreak> ikonia: he doesnt read so be prepared to get pinged alot
[21:54] <jussi01> gnomefreak: yeah, I can imagine...
[21:55] <ikonia> I put him on ignore or wait for his daily ban
[21:55] <gnomefreak> ive been dealing with him since alpha 1 gutsy
[21:55] <ikonia> ooh yes, I know him well from #ubuntu+1
[21:55] <gnomefreak> yep
[21:56] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, studder?
[21:56] <gnomefreak> yeah you said his name 2 times ;)
[21:56] <gnomefreak> w...
[21:57] <gnomefreak> cant think of it atm
[21:57] <ikonia> sutter
[21:57] <ikonia> stutter
[21:57] <jussi01> wefsw
[21:57] <gnomefreak> 16:49 <        PriceChild > wefsw, wefsw if you use it from the gui
[21:57] <gnomefreak> yeah him,
[21:57] <tonyyarusso> stupid comcast
[21:58] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: he has been warned enough to start removing him for offtopicnes
[21:58] <gnomefreak> s
[22:05] <jdong> quick question
[22:05] <jdong> does the wiki have any sort of page that provides a general overview/disclaimer of the risks involved in activating 3rd part software?
[22:06] <jdong> the guy who wrote the HOWTO from yesterday's blowup is being very cooperative with me in adding a disclaimer to his guide...
[22:08] <ikonia> nice to see someone co-operating like that
[22:09] <jdong> yeah, totally, the guy running this repo in question appears to be quite sensible and has considered upgrade routes and naming conflicts too, and is also totally willing to add a disclaimer about his repository being 3rd party
[22:09] <jdong> once in a while you do run past a nice guy like that :)
[22:11] <gnomefreak> jdong: care to ack my sunbird package if you are still working on motu stuff, seems most motus are scared of moz apps
[22:12] <jdong> gnomefreak: I don't have the time right now to look into MOTU stuff, as I'm leaving in 12hrs to take a plane ride home and am frantically finishing last minute homework assignments :D
[22:12] <gnomefreak> jdong: thats fine ;)
[22:14] <tonyyarusso> jdong: same here :)
[22:26] <PriceChild> ArthurArchnix is soemone to watch (#ubuntu)
[22:42] <PriceChild> ubotu didn't come back...
[22:42] <PriceChild> *notices a nick colision message in pm*
[22:44] <stdin> it's on #launchpad
[22:44] <jdong> shall we deploy backups to -motu?
[22:44] <jdong> (they are discussing bugs currently)
[22:44] <PriceChild> jdong, ubotu is resyncing
[22:45] <jdong> ok
[22:45] <jdong> good enough
[22:45] <PriceChild> It staggers rejoins reasonably slowly so as not to crash out again.
[22:47] <PriceChild> Was that a death with the staggered rejoin? :/
[22:48] <Pici> odd
[23:01] <jdong> lovely, it's netsplit day again
[23:01] <LjL> PriceChild, my bots definitely got disconnected
[23:01] <Seeker`> its it dodgy servers? or an attack?
[23:01] <LjL> yay another one
[23:01] <jdong> whee
[23:04] <stdin> well, this is fun
[23:18] <LjL> PriceChild: see, as for your fear of my bots spitting out !netsplit too easily... they didn't even do it once, because some minutes *before* the first netsplit, they realized the network as lagging, and went in emergency (aka silent and -l) mode
[23:19] <LjL> s/as/was/
[23:19] <PriceChild> LjL, nice :D
[23:19] <LjL> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45314/
[23:20] <LjL> PriceChild: only problem is that they're *too* cautious... since we've lost more than 50 users now, they won't set a limit again until the users count reaches the original amount again =)
[23:20] <LjL> well, they're setting it now because i made a little change, but
[23:20] <PriceChild> bug fixed? :)
[23:21] <LjL> PriceChild: wasn't really a bug, it was intended... but this netsplit showed that it can be a little overkill
[23:21] <LjL> PriceChild: so now when they detect a >50 difference between users and limit, they don't freeze the limit anymore, but instead decrease it by 2 every minute
[23:22] <LjL> so it'll still take a dozen of minutes at least until they feel comfortable with setting a limit again, but they won't stay stuck forever
[23:22] <PriceChild> Ok
[23:22] <LjL> PriceChild: besides, i was thinking that perhaps we *can* use +J after all. using +l is sort of problematic, as tuning the bots so that no legitimate users hit the limit is proving to be difficult
[23:23] <LjL> PriceChild: (i'm gathering some statistics now, like the plot at http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/1343/uchartmi7.png , but it's still difficult)
[23:23] <LjL> PriceChild: but if we have bots that can set -J as soon as they detect a netsplit or some other network problem...
[23:23] <LjL> after all, they're using *both* +l and +J in #debian
[23:24] <PriceChild> The bot would need constant ops?
[23:24] <LjL> PriceChild: it needs constant ops for +l as well
[23:24] <PriceChild> ah yeah
[23:24] <PriceChild> What're they based on btw?
[23:24] <LjL> PriceChild: nothing
[23:24] <nalioth> PriceChild: a bot with constant ops is not the same as a user with them
[23:24] <PriceChild> LjL, hehe cool
[23:25] <LjL> PriceChild: perhaps you'd find the fact that they're written in PHP less cool
[23:25] <PriceChild> nalioth, indeed silly question didn't need asking nor mean anything
[23:43] <LjL> complain from #ubuntu user: I find the nick "sturmfuehrer" offensive because of its strong Nazi connotations. Do you share this view?
[23:45] <Seeker`> doesn't that translate to something like "storm leader"?
[23:45] <LjL> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmführer
[23:46] <LjL> he changed it, anyway.
[23:47] <Seeker`> hmm
[23:48] <Seeker`> would you have made him change it?
[23:48] <LjL> i'd have asked for some opinions. which i have.
[23:48] <ompaul> LjL, I would have thought it a bit neo nazi in connotation
[23:49] <ompaul> that is what I would think about such a thing rightly or wrongly
[23:49] <LjL> ompaul: i honestly doubt he could have been using it in any other sense
[23:49] <LjL> no matter what its literal translation is
[23:49] <ompaul> LjL,  there are those who do it to troll
[23:50] <Seeker`> I'd have suggested keeping an eye on him, but not doing anything unless they were obviously troll-ish, or there were multiple complaints
[23:50] <LjL> soundray is a loud enough complain :P
[23:51] <mc44> eh, names can be inherently trollish, Seeker`
[23:51] <LjL> some names are inherently polyphonic
[23:52] <Seeker`> mc44: yes, but if they seem to be genuinely there to help, then perhaps you could let them off - if they are there to ask stupid questions / give bad advice, then it may be a different matter
[23:52] <ompaul> when played back on nokias?
[23:52] <LjL> ompaul: nah
[23:52] <LjL> !info mx44
[23:52] <ubotu> mx44: polyphonic, multichannel midi realtime software synthesizer. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 37 kB, installed size 220 kB
[23:52] <mc44> Seeker`: asking them to change their name isn't unreasonable. If they were called nazisrock, then surely we would
[23:54] <Seeker`> mc44: I agree
[23:59] <nalioth> Seeker`: are you and nickserv not talking?


[10:19] <marcin_ant> doko_: hello
[10:31] <doko_> good morning
[10:35] <marcin_ant> doko_: hi
[10:36] <marcin_ant> doko_: I got a question to you about debian/ubuntu policy while sun's java is available in universe
[10:36] <marcin_ant> doko_: is there any change in official policy?
[10:36] <marcin_ant> doko_: and next question is about your plans for ant and eclipse 3.2...
[10:37] <marcin_ant> doko_: could you tell what is the status of eclipse 3.2 package and are there any plans to provide packages related to sun-java?
[10:37] <doko_> I don't have 3.2 packages yet. do you have some?
[10:38] <marcin_ant> doko_: I started to work on them but I don't have any successfull build yet
[10:39] <marcin_ant> doko_: another thing is that few eclipse parts requires java5
[10:39] <marcin_ant> doko_: so this is why I ask about policy...
[10:40] <marcin_ant> I just wonder if it could be possible to provide for example two packages for ant and two for eclipse
[10:40] <marcin_ant> something like: ant, ant-common, ant-sun and ant-gcj....
[10:40] <doko_> afaik eclipse 3.2 can be built using 1.4
[10:42] <marcin_ant> that's right but build instructions
[10:42] <marcin_ant> (take a look at instructions.html in eclipse source directory)
[10:42] <marcin_ant> says that system requirements are:
[10:42] <marcin_ant> 1.4 _and_ 1.5 JDK
[10:43] <marcin_ant> and also says that: "Libraries in install used to compile plug-ins in the eclipse SDK that require 1.5 compliance (currently only JDT APT)"
[10:52] <doko_> no, we don't need an ant-sun package, and if, then it has to go to multiverse
[11:16] <marcin_ant> doko_: ok and what about eclipse-sun?
[11:16] <marcin_ant> doko_: we all know that with sun java eclipse is much faster...
[11:17] <doko_> no, we are about free software in the first place. you can run the eclipse packages with sun-java as well.
[11:48] <marcin_ant> doko_: well you know, now I don't care; from about a week I got new computer with Core 2 Duo which is powerfull enough to run eclipse
[11:48] <marcin_ant> with sun and gcj as well
[11:49] <marcin_ant> but for a long time I had machine with AMD Duron 1.8 GHz and on even with 1GB ram on this machine eclipse with gcj was unusable
[11:49] <marcin_ant> so for me - I'm about usability and productability first - then I'm about free software
[11:56] <marcin_ant> doko_: and of course I'm not against free software but I would like to give simple choice to people - they should have an easy ability to swich between gcj and sun
[11:57] <doko_> marcin_ant: you can run the current eclipse package with any java interpreter you want
[11:57] <marcin_ant> doko_: ok - current package which is 3.1
[11:58] <marcin_ant> doko_: and what about 3.2 ?
[12:00] <doko_> marcin, no package has a specific java interpreter hardcoded
[12:03] <marcin_ant> doko_: but has defined dependencies...
[12:03] <doko_> which ones?
[12:04] <marcin_ant> doko_: anyway I will try to analyze all these packages more and will talk about it later ok?
[12:04] <marcin_ant> doko_: and of course I will try to prepare something for eclipse 3.2 while I need this version if I want to use pydev
[12:06] <doko_> pydev is in the archives
[12:09] <marcin_ant> new http://pydev.sourceforge.net/ requires eclipse 3.2
[12:11] <marcin_ant> need to go...