[00:00] <Dracie> ensay, its a laptop
[00:00] <Fly_> if after I install ubuntu and decide i want to use Xubuntu, must i download their install dist and install xubutu, or is there a different way, since they xubutu us a ubutu derivative?
[00:00] <ensay> Dracie -> for what purpose?
[00:00] <rww> Dracie: ext2
[00:00] <ScottG489> whip2: I know but i need it to hibernate
[00:00] <register> make sure in the properties that its set to volume
[00:00] <sebsebseb> Fly_: sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop
[00:00] <DIFH-iceroot> sebsebseb: no ext3 because of the journal (and so, mor writing on disc)
[00:00] <Dracie> how about using ext3 with noatime option
[00:00] <sebsebseb> Fly_: or you can do apt-get
[00:00] <Dracie> so it reduces writes and reduce swappiness
[00:00] <whip2> scott: nothing to do with that
[00:00] <rww> Dracie: you'd still have the journal. ext2 with noatime would be fine
[00:00] <awuja> sebsebseb I was following some "tutorial" to get my usb w/lan adapter to work with dhcp as IP wasn't assigning and now it wont recognise the device.. and I want to reinstall Windows for dual boot.
[00:00] <codeuser> ScottG489: I don't know enough about hibernation nuances to let you know more than I can find, in everything I've read your swap should be double your ram size to get hibernation.
[00:00] <xdfz> codeuser: thank you so much
[00:00] <xdfz> it works!!
[00:01] <xdfz> thanks again
[00:01] <codeuser> xdfz: np
[00:01] <Fly_> sebsebseb: and how would i delete the gnome files that have become unnecessary?
[00:01] <hfmls> how can i intsall e17 in ubuntu guys
[00:01] <ahmed1470> hi
[00:01] <MadAGu> Liboobs-CRITICAL **: Not committing due to inconsistencies in the configuration, this reflects a bug in the application , anyone knows what is this?
[00:01] <sebsebseb> Fly_: good idea to have both,  and  some apps from ubuntu-desktop like Firefox you will use in xubuntu I expect
[00:01] <sebsebseb> ahmed1470: hi
[00:01] <codeuser> hfmls: perhaps this: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-install-e17-enlightenment-desktop-in-ubuntu.html
[00:02] <sebsebseb> awuja: hummm ok
[00:02] <sebsebseb> !install
[00:02] <amaurea> Hello. I have a linux programming related question. I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, really, but I'll give it a shot. I want to read another process's (owned by me) memory while it is running. I thought reading from /proc/pid/mem would accomplish that, but it seems I have to stop the process with ptrace before being able to read anything for some stupid reason. is there a way to accomplish what I want?
[00:02] <Beryllium> has anyone here run Ubuntu inside Parallels for Mac? How well (if at all) does it handle passing files in and out of the VM environment?
[00:02] <ahmed1470> wach rak sebseb
[00:02] <sebsebseb> ahmed1470: what?
[00:02] <codeuser> Beryllium: I haven't used parallels but I can fully recommend VirtualBox (which is free)
[00:02] <wolter> Oh sebsebseb, I think I just missed the meeting to get a membership!
[00:02] <wolter> Well, to try,
[00:02] <amaurea> if this is the wrong place to ask about that, do you know of a more proper place to ask?
[00:02] <codeuser> Beryllium: It worked great on my mac with about 7 guests
[00:03] <ahmed1470> h r u sebseb
[00:03] <awuja> sebsebseb: any idea how to use my XP boot disc to run on Ubuntu and reinstall? Fails with WINE.
[00:03] <sebsebseb> amaurea: #linux  you can try there
[00:03] <wolter> ahmed1470, I kill you!
[00:03] <Lint01> !ot|ahmed1470
[00:03] <sebsebseb> ahmed1470: I am superman
[00:03] <amaurea> sebsebseb: ok, thank you :)
[00:03] <sebsebseb> amaurea: yeah that's a general Linux channel
[00:03] <ahmed1470> good
[00:04] <ensay> what directory does modprobe looks at to load modules at boot time?
[00:04] <ensay> awuja -> your current ubuntu is still running okay right?
[00:05] <awuja> ensay: indeed it is.
[00:05] <ensay> awuja -> so what is the issue now?
[00:05] <Guest79405> tar -xjvf linux4one-1.1.tar.bz2
[00:06] <ScottG489> codeuser: according to that one link i should have 6GB
[00:06] <awuja> ensay: i want to install windows but am unable to boot from cd or usb.
[00:06] <codeuser> ensay: It is either /etc/modprobe.d/ or /etc/modules
[00:06] <awuja> ensay: dont hate me for wanting to install windows ;)
[00:06] <Guest79405> cd linux4one-1.1
[00:06] <sebsebseb> !netboot |  awuja
[00:06] <ensay> awuja -> well you can install vmwae server or workstation and run windows there as guest
[00:07] <sebsebseb> awuja: oh yeah WIndows not Ubuntu
[00:07] <Guest79405> sudo ./aggiornamento.sh
[00:07] <ensay> codeuser -> nope, its usually under  /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/
[00:07] <awuja> ensay: will this fresh install windows and give me the option to dual boot?
[00:08] <ensay> awuja -> you will be running linux and windows at same time
[00:08] <awuja> ensay: i want to run them separately
[00:08] <ensay> awuja -> picky... they are run in separate enviroment off course
[00:08] <codeuser> ScottG489: I didn't look at it too fully but, if that is what it says you might try it. Do this: (perhaps backup first) Load your livecd. Open up GParted. remove your swap partition. If needed, scoot your main partition over to fill the void. Resize your main partition to be smaller than it is. Create a new swap. Click apply.
[00:08] <funkyHat> How can I install the full cli version of vim without installing the gui components?
[00:09] <codeuser> ScottG489:  come back awhile later and reboot. Try to hibernate again.
[00:09] <codeuser> funkyHat: Why does space matter that much?
[00:09] <awuja> ensay: i know. i want two separate partions
[00:09] <funkyHat> codeuser: vim-full pulls in dbus, esound, gconf and x fonts
[00:10] <codeuser> funkyHat: oh, i realize the obviousness of that now.
[00:10] <ensay> awuja   they will be in separate partitions, one is virtual even
[00:10] <funkyHat> and a whole bunch of other gnome libs
[00:10] <DIFH-iceroot> funkyHat: sudo apt-get install vim? or what do you mean?
[00:10] <awuja> ensay: so it will be as if I have installed Ubuntu via Windows and have the option of which OS to use at boot?
[00:10] <jrib> funkyHat: vim-nox
[00:11] <awuja> (or vice versa in this case..)
[00:11] <codeuser> awuja: Do you want to install windows and boot it on its own, or run it inside of windows?
[00:11] <awuja> codeuser: boot it on its own and have the option to boot Ubuntu if I want to,
[00:11] <ensay> awuja -> well you can install vmwae server or workstation and run windows there as guest
[00:11] <funkyHat> jrib: thanks :)
[00:12] <ensay> what directory does modprobe looks at to load modules at boot time? it can not find my  /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/ubuntu/misc/wireless/acx.ko   at boot
[00:13] <ScottG489> codeuser: well thats sort of what I did before. Before, ubuntus built in hibernate feature worked, but I could barly have any programs open so it defeated the purpose. When I first installed ubuntu on this laptop i only made it work like 1.5GB of swap then just made a swap file. That was ok for general use but i thought i would make a swap file to help me hibernate. Well a little while later i learned that hibernate cant use
[00:13] <ScottG489> swap files. So I used GParted and removed the swap file and added it to my hard drive space and then made my swap partition 4GB. However, now when i use ubuntu's hibernate it seems to hibernate OK but then boots back up like any normal boot
[00:13] <codeuser> awuja: (Backup! all partitioning has a chance for error) stick in the ubuntu livecd. then open up the partition editor under system->administration. Then resize your main partition. Create a new "Fat" partition. Then reboot with windows cd. install. The only issue is this destroys your GRUB (thing that starts ubuntu.) You have to reinstall that.
[00:14] <ScottG489> codeuser: and s2disk goes to a virtual terminal like screen and gets ready to hibernate but then just takes me back to the gui
[00:14] <codeuser> ScottG489: In my (humble) opinion, hibernation serves little purpose over sleep mode/shut down. Why do you need hibernation specifically?
[00:15] <awuja> codeuser: partition editor not present. I take it I need to install via synaptics?
[00:15] <sebsebseb> awuja: sudo apt-get install gparted
[00:15] <codeuser> awuja: On the livecd, there is a partition editor. You cannot edit the partition while it is in use.
[00:15] <codeuser> awuja: that is why you must use the livecd
[00:16] <sebsebseb> awuja: that's for a proper install.  on the live cd it's on it by default
[00:16] <awuja> I only have a USB cd drive.. does this matter?
[00:16] <ScottG489> codeuser: Well it can last for extended periods of time. It can also be dangerous to leave your laptop in your backpack while its in suspend mode. And sometimes when i resume from suspend i have random problems
[00:16] <codeuser> awuja: How did you install ubuntu?
[00:16] <awuja> codeuser: windows via usb cd drive
[00:16] <codeuser> awuja: then it doesn't matter.
[00:17] <ensay> awuja -> your usb does not matter, since you mentioned you can not boot from it
[00:17] <keres> when you chown something, and it says 'read only filesystem', even with sudo, how do you fix write protection?
[00:17] <awuja> ok so the best way is to use the partition manager, create a new fat partition and reinstall grub? or to use VM?
[00:17] <codeuser> ScottG489: I have an Aspire One (Acer). I leave mine in suspend a ton. There is not any danger to suspend, it just uses a small amount of batter over time to maintain the RAM. It does very little different than hibernate.
[00:18] <ensay> keres -> for cdrom, you are out of luck, you can not write to a cdrom,  other re-mountable FS you can remount rw
[00:18] <Lint01> keres: you must remount fs as read-write, that's obly way
[00:18] <equex> anyone knows how to get xrdp working in intrepid ? i am using xubuntu as client. i did the only thing i could find on the issue, ln -s /usr/share/fonts/X11 /usr/share/X11/fonts
[00:18] <keres> ensay: usb stick, lol.
[00:18] <equex> but i keep getting a black screen
[00:18] <ScottG489> codeuser: well the results arent much different but how it works is. suspend is to the RAM and still uses some power. hibernate is to the disk and completely shuts down and doesnt need power at all
[00:18] <keres> Lint01: Darn.
[00:19] <whip2> naah, shut it down for good.. thats the way i do it ..
[00:19] <Nytrix> what is like Download Accelerator for ubuntu?
[00:20] <rww> Nytrix: If you're using Firefox, the DownThemAll Firefox addon works well.
[00:20] <termea> can anyone help novice linux user, install ubuntu 8.10 from Persistent USB Flash drive I bought from livecd.org
[00:20] <ensay> Nytrix -> paying your ISP bunch of dollars so they can upgrade your speed :P
[00:20] <whip2> thats why theres this "desktop" & "laptop" thingie :I
[00:20] <codeuser> ScottG489: True. You could try more swap. That seems to be the only viable solution.
[00:20] <ring0> how do i remove 32bit libraries on a 64bit os, which were added to run an 32bit program?
[00:20] <codeuser> Nytrix: you could run it with Wine.
[00:20] <keithclark> Hey everyone!  I have an old Toshiba A10 laptop and the CD ROM is no longer working.  I'd like to install Ubuntu over another Linux distro that is currently on the machine, but it won't boot from a USB due to its age.  Any way to instal over a network connection?
[00:20] <ensay> termea -> your laptop or desktop supports booting from usb?
[00:20] <Nytrix> anything other than DownThemAll?
[00:21] <termea> yes, thank you
[00:21] <sidewalk> how do i setup a wpa ad-hoc wifi network between two ubuntu machines?
[00:21] <sidewalk> the network manager doesnt work
[00:21] <codeuser> keithclark: you could try the tedious task of network booting it.
[00:21] <xiq> hello, how can i skin the "taskbar" in xubuntu?
[00:21] <whip2> flashgot
[00:21] <ensay> keithclark -> i can think of two ways,  debootstrap  and unetbootin
[00:21] <codeuser> keithclark:  or use an external cd drive
[00:21] <ScottG489> codeuser: Well there has to be another problem with the laptop not finding the hibernation file in swap when it starts back up. I mean hibernate used to work, just not very well, not it doesnt discover the file on startup
[00:21] <sidewalk> !ad-hoc
[00:22] <ensay> termea -> then all you need to do, is set your bios to boot from usb as priority 1,  plug in your usb dongle and boot..
[00:22] <ScottG489> !bots
[00:22] <Roxy> Hello! Does anyone have an idea as to how my linux partition could suddenly shift for the worse with linux being the only partition?
[00:22] <ScottG489> !penis
[00:22] <jotun> Hello everyone
[00:22] <rampage73> sidewalk, what are you wanting to know about ad-hoc?
[00:22] <LjL> sidewalk: i don't know about network-manager, but i know how to do it manually from /etc/network/interfaces (except then n-m might interfere with that)
[00:22] <armence> Hi all, I am having the following problem: I recently installed Ubuntu 8.1 on my Toshiba Satellite M40 and was very pleased until yesterday when the following problem emerged: A few minutes after log on, it freezes (even the mouse won't move) and then reboots.
[00:22] <LjL> !botabuse | ScottG489
[00:22] <bazhang> ScottG489, stop that
[00:22] <armence> Can anyone help?
[00:22] <ScottG489> lol ok i just wanted to see if it would work :(
[00:23] <magcius> Has anybody in here seriously gotten Hibernate to work?
[00:23] <sidewalk> LjL: would like to know how to setup a WPA PSK2 wifi ad-hoc network between two machines, cant get it working with the network manager
[00:23] <magcius> From reading on the web, it seems like nVidia breaks Hibernate.
[00:23] <Nytrix> !hibernate
[00:23] <termea> ensay, thank you, I do that and I get umenue,exe which ubuntu,but It only loads to the terminal mode
[00:23] <bazhang> magcius, with intrepid or jaunty
[00:23] <termea> not any gui
[00:23] <ensay> armence -> can you reboot again and working okay now?
[00:23] <keithclark> thanks ensay, codeuser, I'm researching unetbootin now.
[00:23] <LjL> sidewalk: i can tell you how to do the ad-hoc part, don't remember about using WPA
[00:23] <awuja> I've got the Partition Editor infront of me and obviously as you said I cannot edit the partition whilst it's in use but how am I going to go about re-installing windows? Sorry to be a pain :\
[00:23] <magcius> bazhang, I'm on Jaunty right now, but it was broken on Intrepid too.
[00:23] <ScottG489> codeuser: So what config files does ubuntus hibernate use?
[00:23] <armence> ensay: No, I'm working from the LiveCD...
[00:23] <codeuser> ScottG489: idk, when did you install this ubuntu?
[00:23] <sidewalk> LjL: wep is too weak
[00:23] <bazhang> magcius, then #ubuntu+1 (as you know)
[00:24] <ensay> armence -> why not try again to boot from your hd?
[00:24] <magcius> bazhang, I'm in there.
[00:24] <ScottG489> codeuser: like 2-3 months ago. I have 8.10
[00:24] <LjL> sidewalk: well then look up how to do WPA inside /e/n/i. i'm sure there's plenty of articles about that.
[00:24] <termea> ubunut@ubuntu:`$ is where I am at now on the other computer
[00:24] <magcius> bazhang, it seems to be a problem in Intrepid as well so I'm asking here.
[00:24] <armence> ensay: I did about a dozen times
[00:24] <ensay> termea -> when you boot from the usb dongle, what display you get?
[00:25] <armence> ensay: Perhaps 50th time is the charm, but I find that unlikely...
[00:25] <ensay> armence -> but you did not mention what was the result ?
[00:25] <termea> umenue.exe
[00:26] <aluno_> oi
[00:26] <aluno_> tem alguem ai
[00:26] <ensay> termea -> perhaps type in  startx  to get the X window going
[00:26] <aluno_> ?
[00:26] <ensay> !who | termea ->
[00:26] <mezy> what is the package handler for when something is downloaded with firefox?
[00:26] <termea> startx   ok, I will give that a try-thanks
[00:26] <codeuser> ScottG489: Your problem is difficult. I don't anything further on the subject (at least, nothing pops to mind that would be helpful.)
[00:26] <armence> ensay: No change, it locks up a few minutes after I log on
[00:26] <ensay> !who | termea
[00:27] <ScottG489> codeuser: hm, well i guess ill try making it 8 gigs of swap then
[00:27] <Lint01> !tab
[00:27] <ensay> armence -> how long does it take before it freezes on you?
[00:27] <codeuser> ScottG489: Ok, hopefully that will fix it.
[00:28] <armence> ensay: It is variable, but less than 10 minutes. Sometimes, it freezes less than 1 minute after I log on. Usually, 3-4 minutes I would say
[00:28] <whip2> id put that extra 8GB rathe in porn or something useful.. :I
[00:28] <ScottG489> codeuser: i wish i knew where ubuntus hibernate config files were...
[00:28] <ScottG489> whip2: well i need it to hibernate dude :/
[00:28] <ensay> armence -> well its a good sign that you're at least able to boot with gui.. next question.. are you using wireless?
[00:29] <whip2> yeah.. mee too >
[00:29] <armence> ensay: Yes
[00:29] <tmh__> my /dev/sdb suddenly became /dev/sdd and now when I try to reassemble my RAID5 md device it thinks sdd is a spare and not active. how can I tell it to reassemble so they're both active?
[00:29] <register> do you think i could install fedora 10 using the ubuntu usb drive installer
[00:29] <codeuser> register: yes
[00:29] <ring0> how do i remove 32bit libraries on a 64bit os, which were added to run an 32bit program?
[00:30] <codeuser> register: but why wouldn't you just VirtualBox the fedora image to test it out. (I feel ubuntu is better)
[00:30] <ensay> armence -> thats most likely the cause of your freezing.. wireless interrupt never get serviced correctly in ubuntu, my past experience tells me
[00:30] <rww> ring0: how did you add them, and which version of Ubuntu are you using?
[00:30] <ensay> armence -> it gets confused when switching between ap it attempts to associate.. well perhaps i have an el cheapo wifi card too :P
[00:31] <armence> ensay: Is there a way to check that? Like a log file which would tell me at what point in time it crashed? Because I was able to go online without difficulty until it crashed...
[00:31] <ring0> rww: i use ubuntu 8.10 64bit. i added the libraries with getlibs according to the wiki
[00:31] <codeuser> armence, ensay. How I wish there were an easy way to look for wireless related kernel panics.
[00:31] <ensay> armence -> nope, nothing, service interrupts never gets logged, but you can try to watch it with...
[00:31] <codeuser> armence, ensay. I've tried myself, but it doesn't seem to exit.
[00:32] <codeuser> exist*
[00:32] <rampage73> can anyone help me with installing this? i am trying to install mtpfs on ubuntu 7.10
[00:32] <rampage73> http://paste.ubuntu.com/127453/
[00:32] <ensay> you can try to use   watch -c1  /proc/interrupts    something like this
[00:32] <rampage73> that is what i get when i run make
[00:32] <rampage73> configure runs fine
[00:32] <Weez> codeuser, its a gnome app that controls startup services you can toggle gdm on and off i just cant remember what the utility is called
[00:32] <awuja> Also.. I can't get my Wireless USB device to be recognised either under NetworkManager or Wicd. I have installed the driver. Any ideas?
[00:33] <codeuser> rampage73: Why are you using 7.10? That is no longer supported by normal standards (I've never even used that!)
[00:33] <danbhfive> awuja: do you see it under iwconfig?
[00:33] <calebe> someone ?
[00:33] <armence> ensay: OK, I'll turn off my wireless card and see what happens... I'm not really optimistic, but then again, slightly more than I was a few minutes ago
[00:33] <awuja> danbhfive: no
[00:33] <codeuser> Weez: Oh, maybe you are talking about Sessions (Preferences -> Sessions) or Administration -> Services.
[00:34] <codeuser> armence: have you tried a different kernel version
[00:34] <Weez> that may be it
[00:34] <Weez> thanks
[00:34] <armence> ensay: Actually, wait a second, that does not seem to explain the fact that I can safely use wireless with the LiveCD
[00:34] <calebe> it's my first time in this chat
[00:34] <danbhfive> awuja: then I don't think the driver is installed correctly yet
[00:34] <codeuser> armence: like at startup
[00:34] <ensay> armence -> am not saying thats the only cause, look for where you're doing i/o stuff other than networking..
[00:34] <rww> ring0: packages installed using getlibs should be removable through the package manager, if I'm reading right.
[00:34] <rampage73> sorry have not had time to get it updated i guess
[00:34] <jtaji> rampage73: 7.10 is actually supported for at least another month
[00:34] <armence> codeuser: No
[00:34] <awuja> danbhfive: it was there once.. and now it's not. ive used windows wireless drivers and used the driver from the cd provided with the device.
[00:34] <codeuser> rampage73: I would help you, but I joined ubuntu at 8.04.
[00:34] <rampage73> codeuser, but you are right i should upgrade
[00:35] <magcius> I like Services because it's a simple app that uses the Unlock metaphor. Why can't more apps use Unlock?
[00:35] <danbhfive> awuja: are you using ndiswrapper?
[00:35] <jtaji> rampage73: if you're going to upgrade instead of reinstall, you might want to do it soon
[00:35] <awuja> danbhfive: yes
[00:35] <rampage73> codeuser, tell you what i will upgrade (need to anywho) and i will be back
[00:35] <danbhfive> awuja: does modprobe ndiswrapper get it working?
[00:35] <rampage73> thanks
[00:35] <magcius> Furthermore, why can't more apps use the Authenticate dialog that shows up instead of gksu?
[00:35] <codeuser> rampage73: ok!
[00:35] <ring0> rww: that could be true since i found them in the package manager. i just wasn't sure if the packages i found were 32bit or needed 64bit versions.
[00:35] <ensay> holly molly, 123 upgrades for an 8.10 install i have not used for a month..
[00:35] <MiMiSoSo> what is a tool like system info on linux? i know we can use the cli but i want gui...
[00:36] <mezy> what is the package handler for when something is downloaded with firefox?
[00:36] <awuja> danbhfive: no
[00:36] <codeuser> mezy: gdebi-gtk
[00:36] <ensay> MiMiSoSo -> look around system->administration
[00:37] <mezy> codeuser: thanks. im using backtrack and im wondering if there is a version for it
[00:37] <codeuser> ensay: the updates come quick.. lol
[00:37] <ring0> rww: would you happen to know how to remove packages i installed using "dpkg --force-architecture"?
[00:37] <ewook> premature updates?
[00:37] <ring0> rww: this package i couldn't find in the package manager
[00:37] <codeuser> mezy: well, Debian package management, gdebi-gtk is the actual app that installs downloaded packages.
[00:37] <mezy> codeuser: ok, thanks
[00:38] <MiMiSoSo> ensay: there is no system info there,
[00:38] <MiMiSoSo> only system monitor
[00:38] <codeuser> ring0: try sudo apt-get remove <packagename>
[00:39] <awuja> danbhfive: any other suggestions?
[00:39] <b1n42y> what software can i use for my ipod
[00:39] <sebsebseb> !ipod
[00:39] <ring0> codeuser: i tried it but it says the package isn't installed
[00:39] <codeuser> awuja: is your wireless not working?
[00:39] <MiMiSoSo> got it sysinfo on add remove apps
[00:39] <sebsebseb> !rockbox
[00:40] <MiMiSoSo> thanks
[00:40] <b1n42y> sebastien, thanks
[00:40] <codeuser> ring0: go to synaptic and check
[00:40] <danbhfive> awuja: well, is it listed as working with ndiswrapper -l?
[00:40] <awuja> codeuser: correct
[00:40] <mezy> codeuser: oh yeah, i also have been wonder if there is a way to have an icon for recently installed apps. for file-roller (i dont know if bt4 has an archiver) i have to use the terminal to use it
[00:40] <codeuser> awuja: What is type of wireless card is it?
[00:40] <sebsebseb> blue112: also there's a itunes alternative you can find on http://www.osalt.com and I guess on http://www.linuxeq.com as well
[00:40] <awuja> codeuser: wireless usb mode linksys
[00:40] <blue112> Huh
[00:40] <awuja> netusb : driver installed
[00:40] <awuja> 	device (1915:2233) present (alternate driver: at76_usb)
[00:40] <sebsebseb> oh he left already and I send to wrong guy
[00:41] <codeuser> mezy: do you want to list recently installed apps, or make an icon for them?
[00:41] <blue112> Héhé
[00:41] <sebsebseb> blue112: sent to you by mistake since that guy left
[00:41] <ring0> codeuser: there is a version of the package in synaptic. but it's not installed
[00:41] <blue112> Np.
[00:41] <Derander> I have a package.  It is installed correctly.  Aptitude thinks it is half installed.  Can I cancel the installation without removing the package?
[00:41] <mezy> codeuser: i should do both
[00:41] <codeuser> ring0: maybe it isn't installed... (anymore)
[00:41] <register> does anyone know a visual basic client for ubuntu
[00:41] <sebsebseb> b1n42y: oh you didn't leave, well see above
[00:42] <ring0> codeuser: it is, i can use it in the terminal
[00:42] <sebsebseb> register: visual basic oh man LOL
[00:42] <sebsebseb> register: Visaul Basic sucks,  learn Python :)
[00:42] <SpyKid> Hi all ... i would like to hear you all what the best Dock for Linux Ubuntu 8.10 is :)
[00:42] <sebsebseb> SkyKit |  Best
[00:42] <codeuser> ring0: odd...
[00:42] <sebsebseb> !Best |  SpyKid
[00:42] <gearWhore[120]> how do i run an executable in ubuntu
[00:42] <tmh__> is there a separate RAID help channel?
[00:42] <sebsebseb> SpyKid:  Cairo Dock is meant to be good
[00:42] <sebsebseb> !dock
[00:42] <eseven73> SpyKid:  cairo-dock is pretty nice
[00:43] <tmh__> !raid
[00:43] <TheEdge_> anyone know if there is a program like Daemon Tools for ubuntu
[00:43] <register> where can i get the ubuntu alternate iso i can't find it on the download page
[00:43] <SpyKid> sebsebseb:  Alright thanks :)
[00:43] <register> i need it for ltsp
[00:43] <tmh__> TheEdge_: if you just want to mount the iso so it shows under a directory, you can do that with mount
[00:43] <SpyKid> eseven73:  ALright thanks ill check it out
[00:43] <ZykoticK9> TheEdge_, you can mount ISO images natively in linux???
[00:43] <sebsebseb> TheEdge_: nope don't think so,  but mounting ISO's is not that difficult in Ubuntu
[00:43] <sebsebseb> !mount
[00:43] <sebsebseb> !iso
[00:43] <SpyKid> ubottu:  ALright sorry then
[00:43] <codeuser> register:http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors#alternate
[00:44] <codeuser> register: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors#alternate
[00:44] <register> thanks i just found it as you told me lol
[00:44] <sebsebseb> register: what???
[00:44] <ring0> codeuser: so, i just search for the program directories with find and delete them?
[00:44] <codeuser> register: lol
[00:44] <sebsebseb> register: oh nm  seen above
[00:44] <TheEdge_> thanks all
[00:44] <MiMiSoSo> whats the command to see for cli to know what ubuntu release i'm using?
[00:44] <mylisto> I need to make a boot disk for a windows desktop machine that is down at the moment...Is it possible to make a usb boot disk in ubuntu?
[00:45] <sebsebseb> !install
[00:45] <sebsebseb> !usb
[00:45] <codeuser> ring0: not recommended. Your problem is interesting. Why don't you install the 64-bit version from synaptic over the 32 bit version then uninstall from synaptic.
[00:45] <sebsebseb> !release
[00:45] <m1dn1ght> Bit of a long shot - but does anyone here use the tintin mud client?
[00:45] <sebsebseb> !version
[00:45] <register> MiMiSoSo: i believe it lsb_release -a
[00:45] <register> i was right
[00:46] <awuja> can anyone offer help with reinstalling windows via PM?
[00:46] <ring0> codeuser: that sounds like plan. i'll try it
[00:46] <sebsebseb> awuja: maybe
[00:46] <codeuser> awuja: PM? Private Message or something else?
[00:46] <sebsebseb> awuja: you have  the  install CD?
[00:46] <m1dn1ght> l
[00:46] <MiMiSoSo> thanks register works well...
[00:46] <awuja> sebsebseb: yes
[00:46] <sebsebseb> awuja: ok why do you want to re install Windows?
[00:46] <mylisto> anyone?
[00:47] <awuja> codeuser: Private Message (PM)
[00:47] <sebsebseb> mylisto: anyone what?
[00:47] <Stylee> lshw
[00:47] <locainex_> ow my face
[00:47] <register> anyone know the closet ubuntu download server to buffalo. the waterloo is ok but i was wondering if there was one closer
[00:47] <codeuser> awuja: just do it here. Use another computer for IRC
[00:47] <Stylee> lshw
[00:47] <IndyGunFreak> awuja: why would you need help reinstalling windows, besides that, this isn't the channel for that.
[00:47] <Stylee> opps
[00:47] <mylisto> trying to make a windows xp boot disk...on a usb flash drive...can I do this via ubuntu sebsebseb:
[00:48] <codeuser> register: It shouldn't make that big a difference as long as it is on the same continent.
[00:48] <awuja> indygunfreak: i appreciate that
[00:48] <sebsebseb> mylisto: maybe, but  there is some way to make  WIndows Live CD's,  but  never tried it,  and uhmmmmm
[00:48] <IndyGunFreak> awuja: just saying, installing windows is extremely straightforward
[00:48] <sebsebseb> mylisto: you are best to ask questions like that to the Windows fan boys in #windows
[00:48] <awuja> codeuser: i cant boot from CD so am stuck as to how else i can go about it?
[00:48] <mylisto> I need a boot disk...so that I can fix the mbr
[00:48] <LjL> !nickspam > OHAITHAR    (OHAITHAR, see the private message from ubottu)
[00:48] <mylisto> need to make the boot disk in ubuntu
[00:49] <IndyGunFreak> awuja: can you boot an ubuntu cd ?.. or just your windows cd won't boot
[00:49] <awuja> indygunfreak: i can't boot any cd
[00:49] <codeuser> awuja: usb flash or usb cd
[00:49] <sebsebseb> mylisto: Windows probably does not deserve to go on your computer for real on the hard disk, so how about running it inside Windows in a virtual machine instead?
[00:49] <IndyGunFreak> awuja: then thats a hardware issue, and again, nothing to do w/ here
[00:49] <IndyGunFreak> awuja: or your bios isn't set correctly
[00:49] <awuja> codeuser: my BIOS only boots USB-FDD?
[00:49] <sebsebseb> mylisto: uh that was meant to say: running it inside Ubuntu in a virtual machine
[00:49] <mylisto> sebsebseb: its my gf's machine..she wants windeows
[00:50] <IndyGunFreak> mylisto: here's what i would do..
[00:50] <sebsebseb> mylisto: yeah good luck trying to convert your gf to Ubuntu :d    and this is not Windows suppourt so go and ask the Windows fan boys in #windows as I already said
[00:50] <IndyGunFreak> mylisto: do you have a thumb drive?
[00:50] <Stylee> I have a weird problem, my onboard ethernet was first detected in ubuntu, then not then again and now not again what could be wrong?
[00:50] <Nytrix> windows sucks
[00:50] <codeuser> awuja: a usb cd-drive should be considered a regular cd drive
[00:50] <mylisto> was going to try a ubuntu live cd...but it ain't working
[00:50] <mylisto> yes I do indyfunfrea:
[00:50] <awuja> codeuser: should it be listed in the bios?
[00:50] <codeuser> Nytrix: agreed, but what does that have to with anything?
[00:50] <IndyGunFreak> mylisto: hang on a sec.
[00:51] <mylisto> thanks bro
[00:51] <Nytrix> operating systems :p
[00:51] <sebsebseb> Nytrix: as an  OS yes, but sadly  most software that people want to use  works on it, plus since it has the monoplgy (did I spell that right I guess not)  every PC hardware maker suppourts it properly
[00:51] <codeuser> awuja: If there is no floppy drive, it is 99.9999% chance it boots from cd
[00:51] <Nytrix> sad isn't?
[00:51] <awuja> codeuser: the only cd drive showing in my bios is the one that is broken.. not my usb one.
[00:51] <Nytrix> lol
[00:51] <b1n42y> sebsebseb, thanks
[00:51] <sebsebseb> Nytrix: yep the amount of stuff MS have been able to get away with since they  have most market share, but the times are changing
[00:52] <codeuser> just arrange the bios to boot everything (minus network) before your hard drive. plug in the external w/cd. turn on computer.
[00:52] <sebsebseb> Nytrix: Mac OS X is on 10%  market share, and more desktop Linux users and BSD and that, as time goes by
[00:52] <Stylee> lshw says network Disabled
[00:52] <sebsebseb> Nytrix: and once alternative OS's have much more of the market, that will make MS make Windows a lot better to.  so it's a win win for both camps
[00:52] <register> anyone have any files that are like the ones in /home/user/example folder for edubuntu
[00:53] <me2resh> i went to #windows to see what they are talking about, they are talking about something called "antivirus", has anyone heard this term before here ?
[00:53] <ScottG489> codeuser: I think I need to patch my kernel or something...
[00:53] <register> nice me2resh
[00:53] <ScottG489> codeuser: hibernate:Warning: Tuxonice binary signature file not found.
[00:53] <sebsebseb> me2resh: sure for Linux email servers, to scan for Windows viruses
[00:53] <IndyGunFreak> mylisto: what i would do, is download unetbootin, install it on the live CD, then donwload hte super grub disk iso, and use it to re-write the windows mbr
[00:53] <codeuser> sebsebseb: Nytrix: "What is popular isn't always right, what is right isn't always popular." Windows is not justifiable (IMHO). Wine runs >80% of windows apps. The rest run on mac and windows.
[00:53] <awuja> codeuser: i'll try again
[00:53] <Nytrix> open source evolves much faster always increasing its speed of development :)
[00:54] <codeuser> ScottG489: try this. Go to a terminal then type "sudo update-initramfs -u"
[00:54] <mylisto> what indygunfreak:?
[00:54] <sebsebseb> codeuser: Wine runs 80% of WIndows apps, uh  sure with configuring
[00:54] <SaintD> whats up
[00:54] <sebsebseb> codeuser: Wine is not user friendly, but  Codeweavers and Cedega are commercial versions of Wine
[00:54] <Scunizi> What's "tec" .. water I know :)
[00:54] <codeuser> sebsebseb: other than games, very few apps i've tried *don't
[00:54] <codeuser> sebsebseb: *work
[00:54] <IndyGunFreak> mylisto: type this w/o quotes, i'll talk you trhough it.. "/join #indygunfreak"
[00:54] <ScottG489> codeuser: ok done now what?
[00:54] <sebsebseb> codeuser: ,but Wine should run most apps that Windows 98 can run
[00:55] <PKodon> /join#kubuntu
[00:55] <Nytrix> yeah i own a crossover program :) and game support :)
[00:55] <codeuser> ScottG489: try it again
[00:55] <tensei> whats the channel for php help?
[00:55] <register> the only windows apps i've got wine to run were firefox and recuva
[00:55] <codeuser> ScottG489: (hibernation)
[00:55] <sebsebseb> tensei: I guess #php
[00:55] <codeuser> sebsebseb: it can run way more than that.
[00:55] <sebsebseb> register: Windows firefox in wine hum
[00:55] <sebsebseb> codeuser: if the user knows what they are doing yes
[00:55] <sebsebseb> codeuser: if not no
[00:55] <codeuser> sebsebseb: I've seen Sins of a Solar Empire running. That is testing almost everything about wine.
[00:56] <ScottG489> codeuser:
[00:56] <ScottG489> scott@scott-laptop:/etc/hibernate$ sudo hibernate --dry-run
[00:56] <ScottG489> hibernate:Warning: Tuxonice binary signature file not found.
[00:56] <codeuser> sebsebseb: little to no config
[00:56] <Nytrix> WOW works winr wine i hear
[00:56] <jeeves> what is the package called for the openssh-server in 8.10?
[00:56] <Nytrix> winr = with
[00:56] <codeuser> Nytrix: same here
[00:56] <Nytrix> :)
[00:56] <sebsebseb> codeuser: it's like the Ubuntu  mods are on vacation loads now?   we are off topic and they are not going on at us about it :D
[00:56] <codeuser> sebsebseb: lol.
[00:56] <Nytrix> !topic
[00:56] <Nytrix> :)
[00:56] <codeuser> sebsebseb: there are no mods right now.
[00:57] <register> in #windows there literaly talking about how there computers are being slow
[00:57] <sebsebseb> codeuser: seriously the last 2 weeks when I been  here, I hardly seen them
[00:57] <bazhang> !ot
[00:57] <Nytrix> windows sucks :)
[00:57] <codeuser> sebsebseb: this is my first day on IRC! lol
[00:57] <jeeves> what is the package called for the openssh-server in 8.10?
[00:57] <sebsebseb> bazhang: :)  :d  there you are
[00:57] <Flannel> jeeves: openssh-server
[00:57] <Nytrix> !openssh
[00:57] <sebsebseb> codeuser: bazhang is a mod. maybe his client flashes when the word mod is used or something I don't know
[00:58] <jeeves> Flannel, hey man, long time no chat.  and I tried that.  I get that it dosen't find that package
[00:58] <codeuser> sebsebseb: I thought the green dot indicated mod?
[00:58] <magcius> How do I start a dbus service?
[00:58]  * bruce89 thought the mod this year was good
[00:58] <Nytrix> !dbus
[00:58] <Flannel> jeeves: pastebin the output for: sudo apt-get update && apt-cache policy openssh-server  (and howdy, howdy)
[00:58] <Tniffoc> I need to remove the firefox beta that came with my distro. How can I do this?
[00:58] <sebsebseb> codeuser: what green dot?
[00:58] <Flannel> Tniffoc: Which version of Ubuntu are you running?
[00:58] <Nytrix> magical, type gbus in terminal?
[00:58] <bazhang> Nytrix, please /msg ubottu
[00:59] <mezy> i need help
[00:59] <codeuser> sebsebseb: like the one next to FloodBot3. (XChat)
[00:59] <Flannel> sebsebseb: You weren't really offtopic, which is why I hadn't said anything.
[00:59] <ScottG489> codeuser: so yea im pretty sure i need to do some sort of kernel patch
[00:59] <magcius> !ask
[00:59] <Tniffoc> Flannel: ummm.. whatevers' s newer... fiesty or hardy
[00:59] <sebsebseb> Flannel: ah right yeah, your a mod as well
[00:59] <Stylee> is possible that my onboard etherned card is called pan0?
[00:59] <codeuser> ScottG489: do you have any older kernel versions installed?
[00:59] <jeeves> Flannel, one sec.  I've got to flip over to the other system
[00:59] <Nytrix> !language | bazhang
[00:59] <register> hardy is newer
[00:59] <Nytrix> :)
[00:59] <Tniffoc> register: ty
[00:59] <sebsebseb> Nytrix: do that to a mod and you maybe get kicked out :D
[01:00] <bruce89> Tniffoc: alphabetical order
[01:00] <sebsebseb> oh he did heh
[01:00] <Flannel> Tniffoc: what does `lsb_release -a` give you?
[01:00] <Nytrix> :p
[01:00] <ScottG489> codeuser: no i just think that to use the functionality you need a patch
[01:00] <register> hardy is a long term realese you should use that
[01:00] <sebsebseb> Nytrix: I warned that might happen, but it was to late
[01:00] <TheEdge_> when i try to mount iso file as dvd or cdrom it says that mount point does not exist..
[01:00] <codeuser> ScottG489: not usually.
[01:00] <Nytrix> lol i saw it coming befor hand
[01:01] <Jan|> how do I install ubuntu on the free space left on my disk?
[01:01] <Flannel> Nytrix: Please remain ontopic.
[01:01] <TheEdge_> !mount
[01:01] <sebsebseb> Jan|:  how much space?
[01:01] <Nytrix> yes sir
[01:01] <Nytrix> :)
[01:01] <Jan|> sebsebseb 28.72GB
[01:01] <jeeves> Flannel, I can't get xchat installed on it.  one sec.
[01:02] <sebsebseb> Jan|: ok so what else on your hard disk?
[01:02] <ScottG489> codeuser: "man hibernate"
[01:02] <ScottG489> codeuser: "This script is designed for Software Suspend 2, which is not yet included in the main kernel tree..."
[01:02] <codeuser> Jan|: stick in the livecd, choose the option that says biggest free space and install.
[01:02] <Jan|> sebsebseb a logical partition that is after the free space
[01:02] <TheEdge_> !mount
[01:02] <Flannel> jeeves: Sounds like a repository issue.  does `sudo apt-get update` give you any errors?
[01:02] <Nytrix> im download ubuntu 9.04...we'll see how that works out :)
[01:02] <sebsebseb> Jan|: ok you done that stuff with gparted?
[01:02] <codeuser> ScottG489: I've hibernated before with an unpatched kernel. Is your system up to date?
[01:02] <jeeves> Flannel, nope, she updates fine
[01:02] <Flannel> Nytrix: Jaunty support/questions in #ubuntu+1, thanks
[01:02] <Nytrix> yes sir, sir
[01:02] <jeeves> and our policy command comes back with none, none, and version table blank
[01:02] <Jan|> sebsebseb no just deleted an old windows primary partition
[01:03] <equex> anyone knows how to get xrdp working in intrepid ? i am using xubuntu/vinagre as client. i did the only thing i could find on the issue, ln -s /usr/share/fonts/X11 /usr/share/X11/fonts and put in dbus-launch gnome-session in startwm.sh... any ideas ?
[01:03] <sebsebseb> Jan|: ok so what else is on your hard disk?
[01:03] <tom_eats_lives> Anyone recommend tools for filming Desktop , for youtube?
[01:03] <equex> i keep getting a black screen, but the connection lives.
[01:03] <Travis-42> does anyone have any recent experience using an iphone 3g with ubuntu?  I mostly want to know if it would be possible for me to transfer music to it.
[01:03] <Flannel> !screencast | tom_eats_lives
[01:03] <ScottG489> codeuser: yes. and i have hibernated as well. but im not sure i was using toxonice
[01:03] <bruce89> Nytrix: heh
[01:03] <Jan|> sebsebseb a logical partition
[01:03] <SpyKid> Hi.. are there someone there have an answer for this.. evertime i try to write " http://repository.cairo-dock.org/ubuntu intrepid cairo-dock " in Terminal then it says " bash: deb: command not found "
[01:03] <sebsebseb> Jan|: no swap space or what not yet?
[01:03] <Nytrix> tom_eats_lives, check out www.getdeb.net some nice tools there :)
[01:03] <Flannel> jeeves: Then (if it does give no errors for updates) then that means you're sources are funny.
[01:04] <tom_eats_lives> Flannel, Thanks have a good evening =)
[01:04] <sebsebseb> Jan|:  are you on the Live CD?
[01:04] <Jan|> sebsebseb just 2 logical NTFS partions
[01:04] <funkyHat> Is there a way I could get a program to check whether a project exists on Launchpad? (for a bazaar helper script I'm writing)
[01:04] <Jan|> no
[01:04] <jeeves> Flannel, ok, I'll try swapping the source
[01:04] <sebsebseb> Jan|: you need to be on the Live CD to install Ubuntu
[01:04] <tom_eats_lives> Nytrix, thanks
[01:04] <Jan|> sebsebseb I had 2 OS installed on seperated drives
[01:04] <Nytrix> tom_ np
[01:04] <codeuser> ScottG489: try it without tuxonice
[01:04] <Flannel> jeeves: Just check it to see if you have normal looking sources
[01:04] <sebsebseb> Jan|: what OS are you using right now?
[01:04] <codeuser> ScottG489: ?
[01:04] <Jan|> sebsebseb windows
[01:04] <SpyKid> Hi.. are there someone there have an answer for this.. everytime i try to write " http://repository.cairo-dock.org/ubuntu intrepid cairo-dock " in Terminal then it says " bash: deb: command not found "
[01:04] <jeeves> Flannel, I'll try to pull from the U of Watterloo
[01:05] <sebsebseb> Jan|: ok to put Ubuntu on your hard disk,  you must boot the Ubuntu Live CD
[01:05] <codeuser> SpyKid: Why are you typing that?
[01:05] <sebsebseb> Jan|: that is to put it on for real using partitions
[01:05] <ScottG489> codeuser: ugh i dont know....i cant follow all these hibernate tecniques...
[01:05] <TheEdge_> i was asking for help about mount an iso file.. and someone type !mount  but when i try to use that command i am getting  mount point does not exist
[01:05] <SpyKid> codeuser:  Why ? cause i need some help :)
[01:05] <armence> Is there a laptop manufacturer that pre-installs ubuntu (and therefore I assume whose whole system is compatible with ubuntu)
[01:05] <Jan|> sebsebseb ok so then just do like the other guy said and use biggest free space ?
[01:05] <codeuser> SpyKid: no, why are you typing that address on the terminal.
[01:05] <sebsebseb> armence: of course so where are you from?
[01:06] <sebsebseb> Jan|: pm me
[01:06] <SpyKid> codeuser:  It says in this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CairoDock
[01:06] <moDumass> hey all, im trying to use proxychains, and tor, on my eeepc, ive got tor working i think like if i turn it on and check my IP its somewhere in kazicstahn, but i cant get proxychains to work for things like skype
[01:06] <codeuser> ScottG489: lol, maybe you should backup and reinstall. Then you could have a fresh start! (I save off my packages installed list and backup my home folder then reinstall!  I am pretty sure...
[01:08] <Nytrix> armence, lol
[01:08] <moDumass> i think its that i have no "proxies" in my chain
[01:08] <sebsebseb> armence: ok  USA and Canada only  http://www.system76.com   Europe and what not as well :)  http://www.zareason.com and I think Dell is pretty much global  for Ubuntu computers so http://www.ubuntu.com/dell
[01:08] <SpyKid> codeuser: Hmm .. it have installed it, but i cant find it in Accessories.
[01:09] <armence> sodeuser: I just found out my freezing problem is actually a common problem with their laptops which they are quite happy to sell to us without feeling like they should fix it...
[01:09] <register> i dont really like dell
[01:09] <armence> sebsebseb: thanks
[01:09] <dotblank> torify = win
[01:09] <codeuser> SpyKid: type cairo-dock in the terminal
[01:09] <armence> codeuser: I called you sodeuser for some reason...
[01:09] <sebsebseb> armence: what's wrong with the lap top your on now? wireless wont' work or something with Ubuntu?
[01:09] <jeeves> Flannel, ok, 3 diff repos, and it's still not working
[01:10] <codeuser> armence: lol
[01:10] <sebsebseb> armence:  http://www.dell.com/ubuntu I meant to put
[01:10] <Nytrix> wtf
[01:10] <Flannel> jeeves: pastebin your sources.list (and the output of the update) and Ill take a look
[01:10] <Cream> !exploit
[01:11] <linxeh> orang_kampung: I dont want your DCC send...
[01:11] <jeeves> Flannel, I can't, I'm on my laptop and it's a diff system
[01:11] <armence> sebsebseb: No. Nothing works... at all. As in like, I log on and 5 minutes later, my mouse freezes, my keyboard freezes and it restarts... It is to put it politely f...ing annoying...
[01:12] <SpyKid> codeuser: I have done that, but now it says warning :  (cairo-dock-config.c:cairo_dock_get_boolean_key_value:183)
[01:12] <SpyKid>   Attention : Key file does not have key 'mix applets with launchers'
[01:12] <SpyKid> warning :  (cairo-dock-config.c:cairo_dock_get_string_key_value:312)
[01:12] <SpyKid>   Attention : Key file does not have key 'active indicator'
[01:12] <SpyKid> warning :  (cairo-dock.c:main:599)
[01:12] <SpyKid>   Attention : No such file or directory
[01:12] <Flannel> jeeves: You can still pastebin it (the other sys is connected, yes?) and then the URL is relatively short.
[01:12] <sebsebseb> yeah what's a DCC chat??????
[01:12] <codeuser> SpyKid: Have you used Gnome Do before/
[01:12] <codeuser> SpyKid: ?*
[01:13] <SpyKid> codeuser: I dont think so, whats that ?
[01:13] <Nytrix> !paste | skykid
[01:14] <codeuser> SpyKid: It lets you launch anything with ease. You hit a shortcut then type what you want to run. It is in the repositories. Go to Applications -> Add/Remove. Then install gnome-do.
[01:14] <sebsebseb> Jan|: not sure what DCC chat was
[01:14] <sebsebseb> Jan|: why did you start one of those instead of a normal?
[01:15] <LjL> I'll now remove some people from the channel, these people should follow the instructions they find in the channel they'll join to fix a problem they have with their router.
[01:15] <LjL> Unaffected users - please ignore the issue
[01:15] <SpyKid> codeuser: okay i try that, thanks
[01:16] <Nytrix> lol
[01:16] <LordFDisk> Is there a list of what router has the bug?
[01:16] <IndyGunFreak> lol, go LjL go
[01:17] <SpyKid> codeuser: in Add/Remove i have wrote in the searchbox "Gnome-do, but it cant find anything.
[01:17] <codeuser> SpyKid: Btw, what version of ubuntu are you using
[01:17] <killuats> hi all, i've installed ubuntu 8.04, if i apt-get upgrade, it all goes well, does it mean, im already using 8.10?
[01:17] <bruce89> SpyKid: AFAIK, the package is simply do
[01:17] <SpyKid> codeuser: im using 8.10 ubuntu
[01:17] <Jan|> LjL how can you know what router people uses
[01:17] <codeuser> SpyKid: and in Add/Remove it is GNOME Do
[01:17] <bruce89> or not
[01:17] <Jan|> thats bs
[01:18] <Nytrix> SkyKid, under "Show:" select All available application...
[01:18] <SpyKid> bruce89:  What do you mean with AFAIK :) ?
[01:18] <temporarytao> killuats, no, you only upgraded packages with updates
[01:18] <LjL> Jan|: i said please ignore the issue
[01:18] <bruce89> As Far As I Know (which was wrong)
[01:18] <unr3a1> hey all, I have a friend who is having problems installing ubuntu.  he is getting "Error 17" when trying to load the grub bootloader
[01:18] <codeuser> unr
[01:18] <Jan|> LjL just wondering how its workin
[01:18] <killuats> temporarytao, whats the difference between 8.04 and 8.10?
[01:18] <codeuser> unr3a1: did he install it to an external drive?
[01:18] <SpyKid> Nytrix:  Ohh thanks !
[01:18] <killuats> how do i upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10 via shell?
[01:18] <codeuser> killuats: what's the diff between xp and vista?
[01:18] <SpyKid> codeuser:  Yes i have found it , i install it now
[01:18] <Jan|> rather, why you are kicking them, but whatever
[01:19] <unr3a1> codeuser: no, this is an internal drive on a laptop
[01:19] <killuats> codeuser, thanks.
[01:19] <bruce89> killuats: do-release-upgrade
[01:19] <Jan|> i guess they were clones?
[01:19] <killuats> bruce89, ah ok. i'll try that.
[01:19] <temporarytao> killuats, 8.04 is LTS, 8.10 is not. if you're looking for a more robust system, well supported system > 8.04
[01:19] <moDumass> hey all, any idea how to use proxychains? i think its that i need a list of proxies.... where would they be in this big wide AO
[01:20] <datuk> rtre
[01:20] <codeuser> moDumass: why do you need a proxy chain?
[01:20] <temporarytao> killuats, if you want something more on the "latest edge" > 8.10 (but that will be moot once jaunty comes out)
[01:20] <Nytrix> great ubuntu tools found here: www.GetDeb.net
[01:20] <moDumass> codeuser, because i want to use proxychains
[01:20] <SpyKid> codeuser:  Now i got that installed, so what should i do now ( and thank you so much cause you are helping me ! )
[01:20] <bruce89> Nytrix: ich
[01:21]  * _VIM_ agrees with bruce89
[01:21] <codeuser> SpyKid: Go to accesories -> gnome do
[01:21] <codeuser> SpyKid: then a window will appear
[01:21] <SpyKid> codeuser:  yes im there
[01:21] <killuats> temporarytao, ah ok, so its better to stay 8.04, just upgrade my packages.
[01:21] <codeuser> SpyKid: Then at the top right of it you have an arrow
[01:21] <SpyKid> codeuser:  yes
[01:21] <codeuser> SpyKid: Click it to go to preferences
[01:21] <SpyKid> codeuser: ok
[01:21] <codeuser> SpyKid: There you can configure it like you want, but press windows key and space bar will bring it up
[01:21] <temporarytao> killuats, depends on what you need, really
[01:22] <codeuser> SpyKid: Then type in what you want.
[01:22] <unr3a1> codeuser: so do you have any other information>
[01:22] <ring0> codeuser: i installed the 64bit over the 32bit version and unistalled it. the program is now gone. thanks for the idea
[01:22] <moDumass> codeuser, i mean im using tor, and skype, and ide like to skype anonymously, using proxychains, and sudo proxychains skype fails to connect
[01:22] <temporarytao> killuats, for me, i use 8.04 for my gateway server and 8.10 for my everyday-use laptop
[01:22] <Nytrix> Skyk, what is it that u want to do?
[01:22] <killuats> temporarytao, just to make sure, how do i check if im using 8.04 or 8.10?
[01:22] <Nytrix> SkyK, what is it that u want to do exactly?
[01:23] <SpyKid> codeuser: Hm ... yes, and what shall i use it for ?
[01:23]  * bruce89 finds Jaunty stable enough (apart from the rubbish notification debacle)
[01:23] <bruce89> killuats: lsb_release -a
[01:23] <Nytrix> debacle?
[01:23] <codeuser> SpyKid: launching stuff, no need for a dock
[01:23] <Nytrix> lol@ LjL
[01:23] <killuats> bruce89, thanks.
[01:23] <bruce89> Nytrix: see #ubuntu+1
[01:23] <SpyKid> codeuser: ohh okay, thanks for your help
[01:24] <BigMike> how can I get skype and firefox to stop auto starting
[01:24] <codeuser> SpyKid: I haven't used cairo in a long time, so i don't remember it.
[01:24] <Nytrix> way to go LJL
[01:24] <bruce89> auto-starting?
[01:24] <temporarytao> killuats, simplest method: go to System > About Ubuntu
[01:24] <_VIM_> BigMike: are they listed in System > preferences > Sessions?
[01:24] <bruce89> or gnome-system-monitor
[01:25] <codeuser> unr3a1: maybe this would help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=442945
[01:25] <bruce89> codeuser: cairo is something completely different
[01:25] <killuats> when's the next release of ubuntu?
[01:25] <codeuser> bruce89: I know very well that. But, the idea came from Docky (if you bother to upgrade gnome do). But, gnome-do is very useful.
[01:26] <_VIM_> next month
[01:26] <temporarytao> killuats, april 20+
[01:26] <Dreamglider> usually in april
[01:26] <codeuser> killuats: in 47 days.
[01:26] <temporarytao> ...i think
[01:26] <bruce89> codeuser: I'm a pedant
[01:26] <BigMike> they start up every time I start up ubuntu - no they are not and they arnt in the start up folder I had some damage I had to remount my ntfs drives
[01:26] <killuats> wah!!! great
[01:26] <temporarytao> codeuser, awesome accuracy
[01:26] <register> test
[01:26] <daftykins> is it normal for Xorg to take 30-45% of a core on a quad-core PC, when running nvidia -177 drivers and compiz?
[01:26] <BigMike> oh is there a startup folder?
[01:26] <temporarytao> best to do a fresh install than an upgrade, by the way
[01:26] <temporarytao> ...based on my experience
[01:27]  * bruce89 doesn't understand docks or gnome-do
[01:27] <Iceman_B^Ltop> how do I make the mv, cp and rm commands always use the -v switch by default ?
[01:27] <Dreamglider> is the next one 9.04 ?
[01:27] <_VIM_> yes
[01:27] <Dreamglider> Ok
[01:27] <daftykins> yeah anyone that's worth their salt in computing knows "upgrade" == bad word
[01:27] <bruce89> !alias
[01:27] <codeuser> temporarytao: lol, np.
[01:27] <codeuser> daftykins: not really... ubuntu upgrades work well.
[01:27] <Jan|> daftykins why don't you upgrade
[01:27] <JesperHansen> I am looking for the debugging symbols for firefox3 in ubuntu 8.10 (the package firefox-dbg), but it doesn't exist. Taking it from this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs#Obtain%20a%20backtrace%20from%20an%20apport%20crash%20report%20(using%20gdb)
[01:28] <Jan|> daftykins you should upgrade
[01:28] <daftykins> lol
[01:28] <daftykins> no thanks.
[01:28] <daftykins> upgrades are baaaad.
[01:28] <BigMike> VIM is there some startup folder config I can edit
[01:28] <Q751> where can  g for some very quck off topic tech help?
[01:28] <Q751> I go*
[01:28]  * Loco_aullador se va a ver a Bruce Springsteen el 30 de julio a Benidorm
[01:28] <bruce89> only if you have a load of non-official packages which are made badly
[01:28]  * Loco_aullador se va a ver a Bruce Springsteen el 30 de julio a Benidorm
[01:28] <bruce89> getdeb spings to mind
[01:29] <Nytrix> Q751, join #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:29] <Pici> Q751: #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:29] <Q751> thanks gys
[01:29] <Nytrix> :)
[01:29] <Q751> sorry bout my missed keys. My keyboard's messed up
[01:29] <bruce89> no law against that
[01:29] <bruce89> yet
[01:29] <codeuser> Loco_aullador: Nadie habla eso lingua aqui.
[01:30] <Nytrix> Q751, np
[01:30] <temporarytao> BigMike, you might want to try System > Preferences > Sessions
[01:30] <daftykins> is it normal for Xorg to take 30-45% of a core on a quad-core PC, when running nvidia -177 drivers and compiz?
[01:30] <_VIM_> BigMike: I think there's a few of them /home/BigMike/.config maybe, also some under .gnome and .kde folders and several others
[01:31] <BigMike> yes I didt temporarytao nothing there my system had some damage as fsck informed me
[01:31] <temporarytao> BigMike, if you didn't specifically set your apps to autostart, then you might have "automatically remember...." checked
[01:31] <codeuser> daftykins: i don't think so.
[01:31] <daftykins> mmm neither do i.
[01:31] <codeuser> daftykins: you could upgrade... lol
[01:31] <daftykins> shush :P
[01:31] <BigMike> i have unchecked save sessions is that something diff?
[01:31] <codeuser> daftykins: lol
[01:31] <kindofabuzz> !jaunty > kindofabuzz
[01:31] <datuk> hello all....
[01:32] <datuk> i'm student from indonesia..
[01:32] <codeuser> hello
[01:32] <sebsebseb> hi
[01:32] <Jan|> !mount
[01:32] <datuk> now i use ubuntu..
[01:32] <theriel> hi all :)  i was wondering if there's any way to control which letters are matched together in word wrap?
[01:32] <sebsebseb> ok
[01:33] <BigMike> no I unchecked that also temporarytao
[01:33] <sebsebseb> datuk: ok and?
[01:33] <kindofabuzz> how can i disable the check for a hibernate/standby image in swap at bootup?
[01:33] <datuk> but i can't operation terminal well..
[01:33] <codeuser> theriel: don't think so.
[01:33] <sebsebseb> datuk: oh right ok
[01:33] <theriel> fuck.  everything i type in keeps breaking words at awkward spots
[01:33] <codeuser> datuk: ok, so what can we help you with?
[01:33] <theriel> i can put in a forced linbreak before the word but that's a temporary work around
[01:33] <BigMike> is there some config file I can look at or edit temporarytao
[01:34] <datuk> can you tell me or give me tutorial console (terminal) ?
[01:34] <BigMike> ok thanks VIM I see that now
[01:34] <prince_jammys> !shell > datuk
[01:34] <theriel> in khoisan languaes, they have four letters which are non-standard latin letters.. ! | ǁ and ǂ
[01:34] <rapchee> hi
[01:34] <codeuser> datuk: there isn't much to explain. You type a command, it runs it.
[01:34] <theriel> if i type a word |ka and it's at the end of a line, it breaks the word as | and ka
[01:34] <sebsebseb> rapchee: hi
[01:34] <temporarytao> BigMike, you might want to check your cron folders. sorry but i'm not very well-versed with cron
[01:34] <theriel> i want it to not do that
[01:35] <kindofabuzz> datuk, http://www.hypexr.org/bash_tutorial.php
[01:35] <Until_It_Sleeps> I iz free from the dcc exploit!
[01:35] <BigMike> chron ok under /home/mike I guess?
[01:35] <codeuser> theriel: Is your system localized to a khosian language?
[01:36] <Guest40018> Hi are there someone there have some time to help me, im having trouble with get Cairo-dock to work
[01:36] <codeuser> Until_It_Sleeps: Hip Hip Hooray!
[01:36] <theriel> there are no localizations for khoisan languages
[01:36] <temporarytao> BigMike, i'm not sure. best to do "locate cron" and then figure things out from there...:)
[01:36] <codeuser> thereil: really?
[01:36] <_VIM_> Guest40018: what's the error message or whatnot?
[01:36] <codeuser> theriel: really? I thought there were for most languages...
[01:36] <rapchee> i have a kinda outdated problem: i try to upgrade a feisty machine to gutsy, but the upgrade manager says it had an 'unresolvable problem while calculating the upgrade'
[01:37] <rapchee> i think its because no repos have feisty anymore
[01:37] <Iceman_B^Ltop> hey people, how do I make the mv, cp and rm commands always use the -v switch by default ?
[01:37] <proq> can someone point me to a (recent) partitioning howto for OS X and Ubuntu?  or tell me whether I just do the traditional approach of making one 800KB bootloader, one 4GB Swap, one ubuntu and one OS X partition?
[01:37] <sebsebseb> rapchee: I would suggest clean installing, because you got to upgrade like this:   fesity to next one,  and then that one to the next one,
[01:37] <theriel> yeah.  nama is the only official language, the rest of them are minority languages.  and i don't see nama having any localization.
[01:37] <Guest40018> _VIM_:  Thanks to for giving you time to help.. but it comes up with something like this " warning :  (cairo-dock-application-factory.c:cairo_dock_create_surface_from_xpixmap:123)
[01:37] <Guest40018>   This pixmap is undefined. It can happen for exemple for a window that is in a minimized state when the dock is launching.
[01:37] <Guest40018> new backing pixmap (bis) : 134217734
[01:37] <Guest40018> window pixmap : 1230x600
[01:37] <Guest40018> window pixmap : 1230x600
[01:37] <FloodBot3> Guest40018: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:37] <KenBW22> http://www.nomorepasting.com/getpaste.php?pasteid=24778 <-- is there anything wrong with that?
[01:37] <codeuser> Iceman_B^Ltop: edit your .profile file in your home directory.
[01:37] <codeuser> Iceman_B^Ltop: in the section dealing with aliases
[01:38] <sebsebseb> rapchee: Gutsy I think is no longer suppourted as well
[01:38] <rapchee> sebsebseb: unfortunately i cannot do that because i  have a special system set up and it would be pretty difficult to set it up again
[01:38] <codeuser> Iceman_B^Ltop: add a line alias mv="mv -v"
[01:38] <theriel> codeuser, any thoughts?
[01:38] <rapchee> aw shite XI
[01:38] <tom_eats_lives> need help debugging random xorg crashes , here /var/Log/Xorg.0.log  http://pastebin.com/m62b19835
[01:38] <moDumass> !proxychains
[01:38] <Iceman_B^Ltop> ah, thanks codeuser, I'll try that
[01:38] <sebsebseb> rapchee: what kind of special system?
[01:38] <theriel> on controlling word wraps
[01:38] <KenBW22> http://www.nomorepasting.com/getpaste.php?pasteid=24778 <-- is there anything wrong with that crontab?
[01:38] <codeuser> theriel: Not really...
[01:38] <theriel> damn.  that's the answer i've gotten from everyone.
[01:38] <theriel> i've posted in a few forums with no responses, either.
[01:38] <codeuser> theriel: I speak english and spanish and live in the united states. I don't know enough about your region to help.
[01:39] <rapchee> sebsebseb: a raster image processing-imagesetting system
[01:39] <theriel> i'm american, code.  but i'm a linguist.. i type khoisan languages
[01:39] <_VIM_> Guest40018: hmm there's a few switches you could try, -g being the one I use, so type cairo-dock -g   in a terminal, but other than that I've never seen that error, maybe someone created a bug report for it already
[01:39] <codeuser> theriel: then you hopefully understand why I am unable to help you! lol.
[01:39] <theriel> all i really need to do is somehow add ! | ǁ and ǂ as recognized letters
[01:39] <scatterp> ps3 ubuntu 8.10 how do i start sshd ?
[01:39] <Guest40018> _VIM_: i have you seen that error before ?
[01:39] <theriel> so that they don't split the words
[01:40] <_VIM_> Guest40018: nope
[01:40] <dess> hellop
[01:40] <rapchee> sebsebseb: i tried upgrading with alternate cd, i thought it would work XI
[01:40] <SimplySeth> how do I get apt-get -f install to stop tryin to make an initrd image ?
[01:40] <tom_eats_lives> need help debugging random xorg crashes , here /var/Log/Xorg.0.log  http://pastebin.com/m62b19835
[01:40] <Guest40018> _VIM_:  Alright thnaks , ill try that.
[01:40] <proq> to simplify my question, do I need to create a 800KB bootloader partition for a dual-boot os x and ubuntu 8.10 system, like you used to with older versions of ubuntu?
[01:40] <sebsebseb> rapchee: no you can't upgrade with a CD like that
[01:40] <_VIM_> Guest40018: try that or maybe the forums too http://ubuntuforums.org
[01:41] <sebsebseb> rapchee: just upgrade your install as normal
[01:41] <sebsebseb> !upgrade
[01:41] <theriel> code: where would you suggest i ask?
[01:41] <Iceman_B^Ltop> codeuser: I see no section dealing with "aliases" in my .profile
[01:41] <theriel> OO forum, OO channel, and here have given me no luck so far.
[01:41] <Iceman_B^Ltop> it does refer to 2 other files hoewver
[01:41] <codeuser> theriel: try making a post on the ubuntu forums.
[01:41] <Guest40018> _VIM_:  Okay, but thanks for your help anyway !
[01:41] <daftykins> tom_eats_lives, looks like you have intel gfx but are running vesa driver
[01:41] <Iceman_B^Ltop> says here:  This file is not read by bash(1), if ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bash_login exists
[01:41] <codeuser> Iceman_B^Ltop: sorry.
[01:42] <codeuser> Iceman_B^Ltop: your .bashrc
[01:42] <ghang> hi everyone, i bought a UMPC call Wibrain I1, and i try to install ubuntu on it with wubi.exe, but fail , when after install and restart the computer into DOS mode , it directly computer poweroff , why ? is the factory setting not allow user to use DOS mode or the ATOM processor cannot install Unbuntu with this way ?
[01:42] <prince_jammys> Iceman_B^Ltop: put aliases in your .bashrc
[01:42] <Iceman_B^Ltop> oh, right
[01:42] <rapchee> sebsebseb:  ...  or by using the alternate install CDs of the upgrade version...
[01:42] <tom_eats_lives> daftykins, how i remove vesa and install intel gfx
[01:42] <sebsebseb> ghang: ok wubi is  not that good a way to insatll  Ubuntu, and it seems you have some computer issues
[01:42] <sebsebseb> ghang: have you tried a Ubuntu Live CD on there?
[01:42] <daftykins> tom_eats_lives, what ubuntu are you running?
[01:43] <tom_eats_lives> daftykins, 8.10
[01:43] <daftykins> tom_eats_lives, so after install it crashes X frequently with just default install?
[01:43] <sebsebseb> ghang: is that a old computer you bought?  and DOS mode????????   do you mean recovery mode in Windows?
[01:43] <Guest40018> _VIM_:  Hey again, when i wrote what you said in terminal, it said this " Attention : Cairo-Dock was not compiled with glit "
[01:44] <Iceman_B^Ltop> where do I insert it? just anywhere in the file, as long as its uncommented?
[01:44] <Guest40018> _VIM_:  Still not making any sence :/ ?
[01:44] <kindofabuzz> i have two machines on the network i want to ssh into remotely. is it possilbe to ssh into one and then from that one ssh into the other?
[01:44] <KenBW22> ./crontab: line 2: */1: No such file or directory <-- what's wrong?
[01:44] <tom_eats_lives> daftykins, not sure sorry
[01:44] <kindofabuzz> well yeah i guess it is, dumb question
[01:44] <unr3a1> codeuser: here is his menu.lst:  http://rafb.net/p/FHrCpC31.html
[01:44] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: I guess so or you can do something similar
[01:44] <ghang> sebsebseb , hi , no , i bought a very cute UMPC , is a very very mini computer , palm computer , and didnt have cdrom/dvdrom
[01:44] <sebsebseb> !ssh
[01:44] <jrib> KenBW22: erm, what are you doing?
[01:45] <sebsebseb> ghang: which OS is on it?
[01:45] <ghang> UMPC with a full windows XP
[01:45] <sebsebseb> ghang: ok a netbook?
[01:45] <KenBW22> jrib: trying to make a crontab
[01:45] <jrib> KenBW22: you ran "./crontab"?
[01:45] <KenBW22> jrib: yea
[01:45] <kindofabuzz> sebastien, reason being, i don't want to port forward to both maines. so i figure i can just ssh into one then into the other from that session
[01:45] <unr3a1> codeuser: do you see anything wrong with his menu.lst?
[01:45] <ghang> oh... similar ,since it was also using atom processor
[01:45] <jrib> KenBW22: why?
[01:45] <codeuser> let me look
[01:45] <KenBW22> jrib: i have a file crontab in ~/
[01:45] <jrib> KenBW22: you want just "crontab"
[01:45] <ghang> sebsebseb:  oh... similar ,since it was also using atom processor
[01:45] <tom_eats_lives> daftykins, Its been a long time it been doing it , never happened in 8.04
[01:45] <sebsebseb> ghang: you went into DOS mode and the computer turns off???????
[01:45] <jrib> KenBW22: sorry.  "crontab -e"
[01:45] <bruce89> crontab -e
[01:46] <daftykins> tom_eats_lives, did you install fresh or upgrade then?
[01:46] <BigMike> hi VIM I found a session /mike./gnome2/session file with RestartCommand=firefox
[01:46] <sebsebseb> ghang: how much  RAM?   1GB?
[01:46] <tom_eats_lives> daftykins, yes fully updated
[01:46] <sebsebseb> ghang: and the computer shoudn't just turn off ever, unless bad hardware
[01:46] <KenBW22> jrib: i'm following the instructions here: http://b.pengdeng.com/2008/12/simple-remote-control-with-dropbox.html
[01:46] <_VIM_> Guest40018: what version of ubuntu are you running? I think 8.04 had issues with that, and seems fixed in 8.10
[01:46] <eseven73> has anyone had the issue of remote desktop works in 8.10 but VNC just keeps disconnecting? every few seconds?
[01:46] <BigMike> do I delete that VIM or edit?
[01:46] <tom_eats_lives> daftykins, sorry misunderstood , i isntalled fresh
[01:46] <KenBW22> jrib: says to create a file crontab
[01:46] <codeuser> unr3a1: no, i don't. Why doesn't he reinstall. It would be a semi pain free solution for this I think.
[01:47] <unr3a1> codeuser: he has reinstalled
[01:47] <ghang> sebsebseb: never ~ even i install a Ghost it was also unable to run in DOS mode, i only can use the GHOST under windows, yes is RAM 1GB , thats why i think it was the factory set something to denine user to get into DOS mode
[01:47] <sebsebseb> eseven73: VNC should be tunneled over SSH,  or it's insecure.
[01:47] <unr3a1> codeuser:  it does the same thing over and over
[01:47] <codeuser> unr3a1: Um. Did you look at the link I gave you?
[01:47] <eseven73> it is tunneled
[01:47] <eseven73> i failed to mention that sorry
[01:47] <daftykins> tom_eats_lives,  you could try forcing the intel driver by adding a few lines to your /etc/X11/xorg.conf but i can't guarantee it'll work, can you pastebin the current content of that file?
[01:47] <jrib> KenBW22: doesn't say "./crontab" anywhere
[01:47] <_VIM_> BigMike: i'd makea backup of that first, but i dont see the harm in that really
[01:47] <sebsebseb> ghang: ok  you got some problems with your lap top.  it's hardware or windows issues.   that would be why wubi didn't work either.  if you can get those issues sorted out try a Ubuntu Live CD after md5suming it and install from that
[01:47] <BigMike> ok try
[01:48] <BigMike> ty
[01:48] <sebsebseb> !md5sum
[01:48] <codeuser> !help
[01:48] <sebsebseb> ghang: Go to #windows  for help with  that
[01:48] <ghang> ok , thanks sebsebseb :D huhu
[01:48] <Guest40018> _VIM_:  Im running 8.10
[01:48] <ghang> i will try live cd
[01:48] <sebsebseb> ghang: no good putting Ubuntu on,  unless  you know the hardware is fine, and that Windows works good to
[01:48] <KenBW22> jrib: "then run crontab ~/.local/etc/crontab", although my fole is in ~/ rather than ~/.local/etc
[01:48] <unr3a1> codeuser: I did, but thats not what his issue is
[01:49] <jrib> KenBW22: sure, still no "./crontab" there
[01:49] <sebsebseb> ghang: you told me the computer just turned itself off?
[01:49] <_VIM_> Guest40018: ok what version on cairo do you have?
[01:49] <ghang> yeah
[01:49] <KenBW22> jrib: well ~/crontab gives me the same result
[01:49] <sebsebseb> ghang: a computer should never just turn itself off
[01:49] <tom_eats_lives> daftykins, http://pastebin.com/m3236f297 Xorg.cond
[01:49] <unr3a1> codeuser:  I think what the problem is that he was originally trying to install and run ubuntu without installing grub to the MBR.  so he was trying the alternatives over and over again
[01:49] <sebsebseb> ghang: that could mean your hardware is bad
[01:49] <sebsebseb> ghang: or it was just Windows being stupid
[01:49] <ghang> i will try to find out is it posible to get into DOS mode first
[01:50] <jrib> KenBW22: you aren't supposed to just run "~/crontab~"... read what it says
[01:50] <sebsebseb> ghang: yep ok well not here for that one, but yes #windows
[01:50] <codeuser> unr3a1: he needs grub, definitely.
[01:50] <unr3a1> codeuser: I personally think he fubarred his MBR, and it needs either windows to fix it first, or he needs to reformat first
[01:50] <subinacls> wondering if anyone has set up fwknop before ?
[01:50] <sebsebseb> ghang: and there's  #hardware
[01:50] <ghang> O_O ok
[01:50] <Guest40018> _VIM_:  Im not sure :/
[01:50] <unr3a1> codeuser: thats my personal opinion, but I was just wanting to make sure that there was nothing wrong with the menu.lst file.
[01:50] <ghang> sebsebseb: thank bro
[01:50] <daftykins> tom_eats_lives, ok are you comfortable logging in at tty1 to replace this file if this goes wrong? ^_^
[01:50] <codeuser> unr3a1: he could use the partition editor on the livecd to destroy all data on the hard drive and put a new mbr on it.
[01:50] <KenBW22> jrib: oh, running that file is to create the file?
[01:51] <KenBW22> jrib: command*
[01:51] <_VIM_> Guest40018: apt-cache policy cairo-dock
[01:51] <_VIM_> Pastebin it Guest40018
[01:51] <_VIM_> !pastebin | Guest40018
[01:51] <jrib> KenBW22: yes
[01:51] <sebsebseb> ghang: then later on when you download an Ubuntu ISO,  you sould md5sum it before burning to a CD
[01:51] <sebsebseb> !md5sum
[01:51] <tom_eats_lives> daftykins, yes
[01:51] <daftykins> tom_eats_lives, ok cool, make a backup to xorg.conf.old and then try this http://pastebin.com/d46321515
[01:51] <Guest40018> _VIM_:  What ? what is that ?
[01:52] <unr3a1> codeuser: yea... also, the other thing is that in order to get the menu.lst file, I obviously booted into the livecd to pull the file.  the really weird thing is thought that his video is all fubarred
[01:52] <daftykins> tom_eats_lives,  you can see i've added a line in the "Device" section
[01:52] <subinacls> fwknop SPA portknocking, anyone ever use this application
[01:52] <rapchee> sebsebseb: ooh goodie i've found the old-releases repo thanks for the head up
[01:52] <_VIM_> Guest40018: type this in a terminal apt-cache policy cairo-dock   copy that to paste.ubuntu.com and gimmie the URL
[01:52] <codeuser> unr3a1: is this an old laptop/desktop?
[01:52] <sebsebseb> rapchee: old releases repo,   releases.ubuntu.com ?????
[01:52] <SonofC4> hey where do i install a new font to?
[01:52] <bruce89> ~/.fonts
[01:52] <sebsebseb> !fonts
[01:52] <unr3a1> codeuser: there is no way for me to describe it except that the wallpaper alternates between white and black, and pieces of the menu go missing when you hover over them sometimes.
[01:53] <abode12> hi all
[01:53] <llllll> can not  add files to "*/usr/share/games/fretsonfir/data/songs"  it says im not the owner how can i change files inside of the share folder
[01:53] <abode12> someone talks english here ?
[01:53] <rapchee> sebsebseb: old-releases.ubuntu.com
[01:53] <unr3a1> codeuser: yea, its a dell inspiron 9300
[01:53] <rapchee> lol no
[01:53] <sebsebseb> abode12: no none of us talk English here
[01:53] <KenBW22> jrib: oh, thanks anyway
[01:53] <keithclark> I tried unetbootin to install a new o/s on a laptop and it did not work out so smooth!  I get root(hd14,19) Error 12:Invalid Device Requested
[01:53] <Guest40018> _VIM_: 2 sec
[01:53] <abode12> hmm
[01:53] <sebsebseb> abode12: we are all talking Chinese and some how you can understand us
[01:53] <abode12> u guys play unholylordseo ?
[01:53] <bruce89> does Scottish count?
[01:53] <rapchee> XD
[01:53] <codeuser> unr3a1: Have you tried Xubuntu/Debian/OpenSUSE to see if those work on it? This laptop seems beyond repair.
[01:54] <_VIM_> Guest40018: or easier, if its' lower than version 2, you need to get the new one me thinks
[01:54] <codeuser> unr3a1: for normal ubuntu that is..
[01:54] <sebsebseb> abode12: pm'ng me asking if people play some game, will make me assume your about 15 years of age
[01:54] <_VIM_> you're*
[01:54] <rapchee> sebsebseb: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades
[01:54] <unr3a1> codeuser:  no I havent.  and I dont think he has either... I bet his HDD is fubarred... the thing is that he had originally windows vista and xp dualbooted and had windows bootloader on the mbr
[01:54] <bruce89> _VIM_: thanks for pre-empting me
[01:54] <codeuser> sebsebseb: I'm 16, got a problem with young people? lol.
[01:55] <sebsebseb> rapchee: yep, but Gutsy is no longer suppourted to or nearly not suppourted, but Gutsy was nice yeah
[01:55] <Guest40018> _VIM_: Alright .. but 2 sec i went in in Package manager and i found some files there werent installed , so im just gonna try to install those :)
[01:55] <unr3a1> codeuser:  I wanna say that he altered his partitions using partition magic or something.... I think his HDD is fubar
[01:55] <sebsebseb> codeuser: no, but it's the really young ones that would do what he was doing.  I am 21 by the way
[01:55] <codeuser> unr3a1: yeah, well... idk.
[01:55] <SonofC4> thnxs Bruce89
[01:55] <_VIM_> Guest40018: take your time, I'm not going anywhere anytime soon.
[01:55] <rww> rapchee, sebsebseb: Gutsy is still supported. It EOLs in April.
[01:55] <codeuser> sebsebseb: ah.
[01:56] <abode12> riiiigh
[01:56] <abode12> t
[01:56] <Guest40018> _VIM_: Good :) !
[01:56] <sebsebseb> abode12: I do not appreciate  reciving swearing in pm either.  and normalely I really don't cre if people pm me however,  something to think about ask people  before pming them
[01:56] <sebsebseb> !pm
[01:56] <codeuser> unr3a1: try using the partition editor to make a new MBR before you totally throw the laptop down the drain.
[01:56] <unr3a1> codeuser: well, thank you for all the info... I much appreciate it.  I will just tell him that he should try formatting the whole disk and seeing if that works
[01:56] <tom_eats_lives> daftykins, ok done restart x ?
[01:56] <codeuser> unr3a1: ok.
[01:56] <bruce89> perhaps a ban would be in order?
[01:57] <_VIM_> ban for what? hah? what did I miss?
[01:57] <keithclark> Anywhere else I can go for unetbootin help?
[01:57] <daftykins> tom_eats_lives,  yep
[01:57] <bruce89> the PM swearer
[01:57] <register> anyone know how to get on the ubuntu team
[01:57] <killuats> hi guys,
[01:57] <actionshrimp> hey - the first user on my system creates files with ownership username:users, but all otehr users create files username:username. How can I change the first user to do the same? I've created a username group for the first user and added him to it, but creating/copying files still have 'users' group ownership
[01:57] <LjL> bruce89: what's going on?
[01:58] <unr3a1> codeuser: thank you again for all the help
[01:58] <sebsebseb> codeuser:  what a knob that guy, you will see what I mean if I pm  you his pm's
[01:58] <codeuser> sebsebseb: no need! lol, i believe you.
[01:58] <bruce89> sebsebseb: I could do with a laugh
[01:58] <red_star_> can i have help now?
[01:58] <Until_It_Sleeps> what now?
[01:58] <killuats> im using 8.04, currently theres a volume controle on my taskbar, but when i play my mp3 or movie, i doesn't produce any sound. how do i fix this?
[01:58] <codeuser> red_star_: with what
[01:58] <Stylee> anyone here has fake raid0?
[01:59] <codeuser> killuats: You upgraded?!?!? awesome!
[01:59] <red_star_> with my installation cd
[01:59] <killuats> codeuser, yup. :)
[01:59] <codeuser> killuats: double click it. make sure pcm is up.
[01:59] <sebsebseb> !ask |  red_star
[01:59] <red_star_> i dloaded it long ago, but it appears that i can install it only if theres only 1 partition on my hdd
[01:59] <Until_It_Sleeps> Who is this "Pm swearer?"
[01:59] <red_star_> its 8.10
[01:59] <actionshrimp> any ideas anyone?
[01:59] <sebsebseb> Until_It_Sleeps: a guy that just left
[02:00] <killuats> codeuser, its up. but still no sound.
[02:00] <unr3a1> red_star_: question... what happens if you try to dual or triple boot between other OSes?
[02:00] <bruce89> Until_It_Sleeps: told people to go to some game, then swore at them for not
[02:00] <peng__> hello
[02:00] <codeuser> killuats: and the master and front are up ass wel
[02:00] <red_star_> if there are other partitions, containing boot files (ms windows) it doesnt manage to install ubuntu
[02:00] <codeuser> as*
[02:00] <unr3a1> red_star_:  if you have tried
[02:00] <codeuser> killuats: as well*
[02:00] <red_star_> theres no problem with boot managers/grub
[02:01] <red_star_> but with the installation progres
[02:01] <unr3a1> red_star_:  lol... ok... just making sure
[02:01] <killuats> codeuser, yes, its up also
[02:01] <sebsebseb> Until_It_Sleeps: see my PM
[02:01] <codeuser> killuats: what kind of laptop/desktop do you have
[02:01] <red_star_> when i task partitions and formatting it starts with the task: Creating ext3 file system on partition xyz", and that operation never completes
[02:01] <killuats> codeuser, its a ecs laptop, before i upgraded, its working fine.
[02:01] <actionshrimp> how can I change a user's "Main group" from the command line?
[02:02] <codeuser> killuats: did you apply any patches to get sound working (when you installed the old ubuntu)
[02:02] <prince_jammys> actionshrimp: man usermod
[02:02] <red_star_> however if i use the entire disk as a single partition theres no problems and it installs properly
[02:03] <killuats> codeuser, cant remember. how do i check the name of my sound card?
[02:03] <actionshrimp> prince_jammys: I'm a bit wary of the usermod command, last time I used it to add myself to a group I accidently removed myself from the admin group
[02:03] <red_star_> how about now?
[02:03] <red_star_> :)
[02:04] <codeuser> killuats: it should be in lspci somewhere (run lspci in a terminal)
[02:04] <eseven73> Ok Remote Desktop works (the one that ubuntu has) AND Freenx's, but VNC (Tunneled) keeps getting disconnected every 3 or so seconds, any ideas (Ubuntu 8.10 on both boxes)
[02:04] <killuats> codeuser, k, i'll check.
[02:04] <red_star_> ...
[02:05] <keithclark> Anyone with unetbootin experience here?
[02:05] <bruce89> !repeat | red_star_
[02:05] <Guest40018> _VIM_: im trying to install another version, :)
[02:05] <killuats> codeuser, its an ac'97 soundcard. how do i
[02:05] <killuats> \
[02:05] <killuats> codeuser, its an ac'97 soundcard. how do i check if its installed correctly?
[02:06] <codeuser> killuats: looking, hold a moment.
[02:06] <_VIM_> Guest40018: ok, yeah try to get version 2, its on the !PPA site
[02:06] <_VIM_> !PPA
[02:06] <killuats> codeuser, thanks
[02:06] <prince_jammys> actionshrimp: sounds like you're in a bind ... usermod -g probably does what you want
[02:07] <actionshrimp> prince_jammys: yeah I gritted my teeth and went for it and it worked, thanks a lot. I think i used -G last time which is a bit more dangerous
[02:07] <codeuser> killuats: is there a physical button/wheel for controlling sound?
[02:07] <Guest40018> _VIM_: Alright :)
[02:08] <red_star_> when i task partitions and formatting it starts with the task: Creating ext3 file system on partition xyz", and that operation never completes
[02:08] <killuats> codeuser, theres one
[02:09] <codeuser> killuats: is it up/on?
[02:09] <killuats> codeuser, yes, its up and on.
[02:09] <AAA28> hi can anyone tell me the best program for rapidshare for ubuntu like autodownloader so that way i can dowload multiple files at ones
[02:10] <codeuser> killuats: what kind of ECS laptop?
[02:10] <bruce89> AAA28: rather pointless, browsers can do that anyway
[02:10] <Stylee> I have a problem.... dmraid recognises my fakeraid0 as it should.... but then ubiquity show it as half of it (or as a size of a single disk)
[02:10] <killuats> codeuser, ecs w622
[02:11] <AAA28> how bruce89?
[02:11] <Guest40018> _VIM_: How do i install it ? its a "tar.bz2"  file
[02:11] <NeoTubNinja> red_star_: have you tried re-downloading the ISO from the ubuntu site and burning it to another CD?
[02:11] <yesyes> i've got quite a few linux-images in the local or obsolete section of synaptic. reckon i can remove them without that ruining my system?
[02:12] <rww> yesyes: you should be fine removing all of them except the latest one (highest version) and the one you're running (check in uname -a).
[02:12] <BigMike> thanks VIM et al  that worked
[02:12] <yesyes> 613mb worth of images and modules, to be exact.
[02:12] <codeuser> killuats: there seems to be no such laptop!! Sound usually isn't a problem. Open up the sound controller and make sure it is selecting ALSA
[02:12] <red_star_> neotubninja, no, but i checked cd for errors on startup boot screen and it reported no errors, however i managed to install it on a single partition using the entire disk
[02:12] <AAA28> bruce89 can i do it so that way i don't have to wait for like 15 minutes
[02:12] <yesyes> rww, thanks.
[02:13] <bruce89> you can't make your connection any faster
[02:13] <_VIM_> Guest40018: if you got it from the ppa site it shouldn't be a tar.bz2, tar jxvf <filename.tar.bz2>
[02:14] <yesyes> and the headers?
[02:14] <rww> yesyes: yeah. same thing for the headers, restricted modules, etc.
[02:14] <killuats> codeuser, yes, this laptop seems not visible on google... :(
[02:14] <nellmathew> anyone know of any alternatives to PCSX2 (PS2 emulator) for ubuntu?
[02:14] <Philo06> For some reason su is not accepting my password, is there a way to change it?
[02:14] <Guest40018> _VIM_: There was some guy in a foorum there wrote if i used AMD 64 then it would be that version i should use, so i just downloaded that..
[02:14] <subinacls> anyone good with lilo
[02:14] <_VIM_> BigMike: glad you got it working, you're welcome
[02:14] <LjL> !root | Philo06
[02:14] <lgc> How can I download the source code of an app?
[02:14] <BigMike> :)
[02:15] <tritium> lgc: apt-get source <packagename>
[02:15] <LjL> igc: apt-get source packagename
[02:15]  * yesyes regains 500mb of space
[02:15] <Dracie> hello world
[02:15] <bruce89> but that'll likely be an old version
[02:15] <Philo06> Haha, damn.
[02:15] <Philo06> Thanks.
[02:15] <subinacls> <~~ trying to get ubuntu back as option to boot after bt4b installation
[02:15] <rww> Philo06: su is asking for the root/administrator password, which doesn't exist because the root account is disabled by default. Use sudo, which asks for your password, instead.
[02:15] <sebsebseb> Dracie: hello
[02:15] <lgc> tritium, thanks. And where does it end up in?
[02:15] <bruce89> find out the upstream website, and have a look
[02:15] <tritium> lgc: your current workding directory
[02:15] <codeuser> killuats: over here with U.S. Eastern Time it is basically bed time. Ask around here or on the forums. I am going to bed soon I think.
[02:15] <Philo06> Okay, thanks
[02:15] <tritium> working, even
[02:15] <lgc> tritium, wonderful, thanks.
[02:16] <_VIM_> Guest40018: hmmm well you're on you're own with that one then if you have to compile it, i don't DO compiling, else i'd be on Gentoo ;)
[02:16] <tom_eats_lives> daftykins,  ok rebooted no problems
[02:16] <killuats> codeuser, thanks man, i really appreciate your help. :)
[02:16] <NeoTubNinja> red_star_: can't say I've ever had that happen. My last 3 installations involved 2 or more partitions :(
[02:16] <Mr_Giraffe> hey, for some reason whenever i click to fire in a first person shooter it gives me rather significant (0.5+ seconds) lag before firing
[02:16] <codeuser> killuats: no problem
[02:16] <Guest40018> _VIM_: Well .. okay .. whats the name of their website ?
[02:16] <subinacls> why couldnt bt4b use grub :(
[02:16] <Mr_Giraffe> this has happened for warsow and urban terror--what gives?
[02:16] <rww> yesyes: You can also do "sudo apt-get autoclean" on the command-line to get back some more space. It'll delete the download files for old packages that aren't needed any more (not the installed files themselves, just the installers). "sudo apt-get clean" will delete all downloaded installers.
[02:16] <_VIM_> !ppa > Guest40018
[02:16] <daftykins> cool tom_eats_lives , see if it works any better
[02:17] <tom_eats_lives> daftykins,  Looks fine , thanks for your help have nice evening / morning
[02:17] <daftykins> no problem, you too :)
[02:17] <Mailas> whats some fun things i can do on my new kubuntu i just installed?
[02:18] <Dracie> hi i'm setting up ubuntu 8.10 and gnome-power-manager becomes unresponsive and so does they brightness keys when i change from batter to power to battery
[02:18] <niedzwiedz> para usar o awn precisa ter o compiz ativado?
[02:18] <sebsebseb> !power
[02:18] <bazhang> !pl
[02:18] <sebsebseb> !battery
[02:18] <_VIM_> Mailas: learn the many hundreds of menus that it has, heh
[02:18] <tensei> i want to make a batch file that opens up 9 files with gedit that I open.. I want to make it executable i think.. i just want to click or run something and have all the files open in one gedit as tabs
[02:18] <rww> !msgthebot > sebsebseb
[02:18] <tensei> can anyone help
[02:19] <yesyes> rww, yeah i normally cd into /var/cache/apt/archives and delete what's there. autoclean sometimes misses packages i've found
[02:19] <sebsebseb> rww: whatever
[02:19] <rww> yesyes: sudo apt-get clean should pick up all of them.
[02:19] <NeoTubNinja> Mailas: first thing I always do is change the look
[02:19] <tritium> sebsebseb: his point is valid
[02:20] <sebsebseb> tritium: blah de blah,  I know hence the whatever
[02:20] <Until_It_Sleeps> Alright, how do I reinstall GRUB?
[02:20] <sebsebseb> !grub
[02:20] <subinacls> looking for some help with lilo
[02:20] <sebsebseb> !lilo
[02:20] <subinacls> trying to get my ubuntu partition back as a boot option
[02:21] <subinacls> would love grub
[02:21] <subinacls> i know ubuntu uses it as its bootloaded
[02:21] <subinacls> however bt4b overwrot it
[02:21] <subinacls> and now im in lilo
[02:21] <pups> !gcc
[02:21] <sebsebseb> bt4b??????
[02:21] <pups> !porta
[02:21] <bruce89> probably best to reinstall grub
[02:21] <pups> !man
[02:21] <sebsebseb> what's bt4b?
[02:21] <subinacls> its nothing
[02:21] <rww> !msgthebot > pups
[02:21] <tritium> subinacls: bt4b?  What is that?  Bed time for Barney?
[02:22] <subinacls> backtrack 4 beat
[02:22] <subinacls> beta(*)
[02:23] <tensei> can anyone help me make a batch file
[02:23] <Guest40018> _VIM_: i have just deleted almost everything i could find in Package manager with the name Cairo .. but there were some files there shouldnt been deleted .. are there some way to restore those ?
[02:23] <Cycom> is there any advantage to a full ubuntu install rather than using WUBI?
[02:23] <kad`> hi there shy on my eth0 look like this : Link encap:UNSPEC HWaddr 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00
[02:23] <MacAnthony> tensei: like a windows batch file?
[02:23] <kad`> how i can change encap from UNSPEC to ethernet ?
[02:23] <LjL> Cycom: faster.
[02:24] <tritium> tensei: that would be a shell script
[02:24] <BLVIR> I need help with speakers. I'll be in #support if anyone wants to help.
[02:24] <tensei> tritium: yes
[02:24] <Cycom> LjL: faster? I thought it booted a full ubuntu system...
[02:24] <bruce89> Guest40018: that doesn't sound good
[02:24] <Cycom> is there a wubi 64-bit?
[02:24] <kad`> any one can help ?
[02:24] <_VIM_> Guest40018: sudo apt-get remove cairo-dock    should do the trick
[02:24] <tbenita> hi, I have the options users,exec in /etc/fstab but when users is here I always a noexec as result. Any idea how to get both users and exec options applied ?
[02:24] <LjL> Cycom: yes, but with the filesystem being "simulated" inside the windows filesystem, there's some overhead - especially if your windows filesystem is fragmented
[02:24] <aijnknknj> Hello. I saved a lot of things to my desktop (about 500 files totalling 23 gb) I have nothing else on my machine that would take up any space. When I ran disk usage analyzer it said i was using 56 gb instead of the 23 gb of files I saved. I used wine to do all of this. If I delete all the duplicates will I break the files. (i saved them all to the emulated windows directory)
[02:24] <tensei> tritium : i want to open many document files
[02:24] <rww> Cycom: Yes. Wubi automatically downloads the 64-bit version if you can use it.
[02:24] <sebsebseb> Cycom: wubi is ok to try Ubuntu, but not good for a proper system
[02:24] <bruce89> you'll have uninstalled cairo, which won't be much good
[02:24] <tensei> tritium : with a single command
[02:25] <sebsebseb> Cycom: if you screw Windows up well enough,  Wubi will get screwed up as well
[02:25] <tritium> tensei: yes, that's fine.  I was just clarifying the terminology for you.
[02:25] <Guest40018> _VIM_: no u right, that is really bad !
[02:25] <Cycom> sebsebseb: I'm a fairly experienced linux user, I'm just too lazy to partition, and would love to avoid it :)
[02:25] <tensei> tritium : thank you, can you help me?
[02:25] <kad`> hi there shy on my eth0 look like this : Link encap:UNSPEC HWaddr 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00 how i can change the encap to ethernet ?
[02:26] <sebsebseb> Cycom: partitining is pretty easy,  espeasilly  if someone else helps you e.g. me that knows how to  partition Ubuntu rather nicely, plus Windows dual boot boots for that matter
[02:26] <Cycom> sebsebseb: if I really screwed up windows (which I've only done once or twice) I have another windows machine and no less than four alternative linux machines to choose from.
[02:26] <LjL> Cycom: actually the ubuntu installer does it quite automatically, you just select "shrink down the windows partition", and it will do it all for you (of course, having a backup is a very good idea).
[02:26] <tensei> can anyone help me set up a shell script?
[02:26] <sebsebseb> on the subject of partitining  guided install giving people like  8GB  swap space wtf?  since 1GB is rather fine
[02:26]  * bruce89 recommends seperate /home partitions however
[02:26] <sebsebseb> yes  that as well
[02:26] <sebsebseb> seperate home is good
[02:26] <kitty_> after i modprobe ndiswrapper i should see my card listed with iwconfig ?
[02:26] <Cycom> sebsebseb: again, I am fairly experienced.  I've been running linux since '99.  When I say "lazy" I mean I don't want to have to clear out space on the windows side.
[02:27] <Cycom> LjL: too.
[02:27] <bruce89> more a case of impossible
[02:27] <sebsebseb> Cycom: you can run Windows inside Ubuntu in a virtual machine, and that should be rather fine,  except for 3D games say
[02:27] <kad`> ?
[02:27] <LjL> Cycom: err well i still don't get it, i mean, you still need free space one way or another
[02:27] <kad`> hi there why on my eth0 look like this : Link encap:UNSPEC HWaddr 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00 how i can change the encap to ethernet ?
[02:27] <sebsebseb> kad`: why ?  was that to what I put?
[02:27] <sebsebseb> no guess not
[02:27]  * Until_It_Sleeps hugs sebsebseb
[02:27] <Cycom> LjL: right, but rather than repartitioning my primary or secondary drive, I can just drop it on the (1TB) secondary drive.
[02:28] <sebsebseb> Until_It_Sleeps: wtf?
[02:28] <Guest40018> _VIM_: What if i put my ubuntu cd in my computer, dont u think it can repair or something ?
[02:28] <LjL> Cycom: and you can't do that with the full-blown install?
[02:28] <kad`> sebsebseb,  ?
[02:28] <sebsebseb> kad`: nevermind
[02:28] <tritium> sebsebseb: please refrain from foul acronyms.
[02:28] <Philo06> What's a good p2p program?
[02:28] <Cycom> LjL: the secondary drive already contains .5 TB of data.
[02:28] <LjL> !p2p > Philo06    (Philo06, see the private message from ubottu)
[02:28] <Until_It_Sleeps> tritium: 9_9
[02:28] <_VIM_> Guest40018: for getting cairo-dock 2? the CD will do you no good
[02:28] <LjL> !good > Philo06    (Philo06, see the private message from ubottu)
[02:28] <sebsebseb> p2p is a joke torrents for the win,  but  for P2P  frostwire
[02:29] <sebsebseb> tritium: alright sorry
[02:29] <tritium> Thanks.
[02:29] <Guest40018> _VIM_: no no, to repair the files i have deleted
[02:29] <kad`> sebsebseb,  got any issue how to change encap from UNESP to ethernet?
[02:29] <LjL> sebsebseb: because torrents aren't p2p...?
[02:29] <davmil> im getting this dumb message that i want to go away when my computer tries to auto connect to a wireless network: "The applicaiton 'Network Manager Aplet' wants access to the default keyring, but it is locked"
[02:29] <sebsebseb> !torrents
[02:29] <sebsebseb> !p2p
[02:29] <davmil> does anyone know how to auto unlock the stupid default keyring?
[02:29] <LjL> sebsebseb: thank you, i *really* didn't need that
[02:29]  * Until_It_Sleeps hugs sebsebseb for pointing him to that link to restore GRUB...
[02:29] <_VIM_> Guest40018: what got deleted?
[02:29] <LjL> sebsebseb: also considering i had just sent !p2p privately to phil
[02:29] <sebsebseb> LjL: I know, but  I was kind of hoping it might say it was P2P when that other guy said
[02:30] <LjL> sebsebseb: the other guy is me, and bittorrent *is* a form of p2p
[02:30] <Guest40018> _VIM_: some files.. almmost every one of my games is gone.. in adminstration can i only do 9 things ..
[02:30] <sebsebseb> LjL: ok I am not reading names properly
[02:30] <sebsebseb> LjL: well I been here long enough, I am going away from computer soon
[02:31] <FaMott> !X
[02:31] <sebsebseb> LjL: anyway looks like torrents is P2P as well then
[02:32] <_VIM_> Guest40018: ok well this has now esceladed to something way beyond installing cairo-dock, Im not sure exactly what you did to get in that mess, but now it's up the heavy hitters in here to help you with that...
[02:32] <jyaan> Is there a fix for Flash?
[02:32] <sebsebseb> jyaan: what's your issue?
[02:32] <jyaan> Extremely poor performance
[02:32] <bruce89> jyaan: get rid of it I'd say
[02:32] <jyaan> The last version was fine
[02:33] <sebsebseb> jyaan: try an alternative
[02:33] <sebsebseb> !gnash
[02:33] <jyaan> I've tried them
[02:33] <sebsebseb> !swfdec
[02:33] <jyaan> 100% of a core isn't a solution for me =/
[02:33] <sebsebseb> jyaan: yep Gnash and Swfdec
[02:33] <eseven73> Ok Remote Desktop works (the one that ubuntu has) AND Freenx's, but VNC (Tunneled) keeps getting disconnected every 3 or so seconds, any ideas (Ubuntu 8.10 on both boxes)
[02:33] <sebsebseb> bruce89: I have been without Flash since last year with this Ubuntu,  because of Firefox issues
[02:34] <Dracie> can i downgrade from 8.10 to 8.04 with not many issues by changing my sources.list?
[02:34] <jyaan> Well I can't just get rid of it
[02:34] <sebsebseb> bruce89: only time I miss it is, if I want to see the video on a BBC News article
[02:34] <rapchee> the adobe version works well for me, but the others had issues
[02:34] <jyaan> My school depends on it, unfortunately
[02:34] <bruce89> it's an evil waste of space IMO
[02:34] <rww> Dracie: No. Downgrading generally doesn't work, and is likely to break things.
[02:34] <rww> !downgrade | Dracie
[02:34] <e3co> I have a 200gb internal hard-drive in my laptop a 320 external hard-drive and just bought a 500gb internal hard-drive. what is the easiest way to transfer my system to the new 500gb hd?
[02:34] <sebsebseb> bruce89: plus there might be the occassioanl youtube video someone wants me to see and I might want to see.    shame  HTML 5's video tag is not suppourted by enough browsers yet
[02:34] <jyaan> I tried downgrading Flash but it didn't work
[02:34] <bazhang> Dracie, using ubuntu or arch?
[02:35] <bruce89> it is by the only ones I care for
[02:35] <sebsebseb> bruce89: and IE wont' suppourt that anytime soon :(
[02:35] <bruce89> sebsebseb: to be precise, WebKit supports it (Epiphany for the actual browser)
[02:35] <bruce89> but then they will all use non-free video formats
[02:35] <sebsebseb> bruce89: epiphany uses gecko  by default, but it can use webkit
[02:35] <bruce89> I know, 2.28 will have only it
[02:36] <sebsebseb> bruce89: Firefox 3.1 has supourt for that tag
[02:36] <e3co> how do I copy the system to the new drive while preserving the permissions?
[02:36]  * bruce89 doesn't trust Mozilla any more
[02:36] <sebsebseb> bruce89: Flash on sites with a good reason that's ok for animation and that,  but  Flash for video that's horrible
[02:36]  * Ishmael wants to know why bruce89 doesn't trust mozilla anymore
[02:36] <sebsebseb> bruce89: what why not?
[02:36] <silentContender> Can some one help me with KDM woes?
[02:36] <jyaan> I guess I'll try and find the old version from Adobe somehow
[02:36] <sebsebseb> silentContender: KDM  I don't like it at all.   sudo apt-get install gdm?
[02:37] <bruce89> the fuss about Debian, their blatent version number bloat
[02:37] <e3co> I have a 200gb internal hard-drive in my laptop a 320 external hard-drive and just bought a 500gb internal hard-drive. what is the easiest way to transfer my system to the new 500gb hd?
[02:37] <jyaan> It's not so nice to be unable to use Youtube and Google video
[02:37] <sebsebseb> jyaan: Flash has security issues,  there was a recant article
[02:37] <sebsebseb> jyaan: viruses and such can be put in Flash as well
[02:37] <jyaan> Yea, that's why I have noscript
[02:37] <bruce89> the fact the browser uses huge amounts of RAM
[02:37] <silentContender> sebsebseb, Well I'm running Ubuntu with KDE 4.1
[02:37] <sebsebseb> silentContender: ok, but you can still use GDM  (Gnome Display Manager)
[02:37] <_VIM_> there's also the flash cookies that no one knows about that are worse than normal cookies
[02:37] <bruce89> the fact they make huge amounts of cash
[02:38] <bruce89> from  peoples' searches
[02:38] <LjL> aren't we being a bit offtopic?
[02:38] <Until_It_Sleeps> what does "Aperture beyond 4 GB: Ignoring" mean?
[02:38] <silentContender> sebsebseb, I understand but I would like to learn from this than just ignore the problem
[02:38] <e3co> Until_It_Sleeps:  I have wondered that for a while
[02:38] <mylisto> I want to put ubuntu onto a ubs drive to boot ubuntu off of the drive...how much space do I need?
[02:38] <e3co> I have a 200gb internal hard-drive in my laptop a 320 external hard-drive and just bought a 500gb internal hard-drive. what is the easiest way to transfer my system to the new 500gb hd?
[02:38] <bruce89> probably, I'll shut up
[02:38] <sebsebseb> LjL: sure, but  it can be useful info to new Ubuntu users to,  to try and avoide Flash :d
[02:38] <Ishmael> bruce89, http://encyclopediadramatica.com/firefox
[02:38] <e3co> I have a 200gb internal hard-drive in my laptop a 320 external hard-drive and just bought a 500gb internal hard-drive. what is the easiest way to transfer my system to the new 500gb hd?
[02:38] <FaMott> Note to self.
[02:39] <FaMott> Don't just restart X.
[02:39] <_VIM_> !repeat | e3co
[02:39] <e3co> FaMott:  ha!
[02:39] <jyaan> Would have been nice if we got an open source solution instead
[02:39] <jyaan> At least these kinds of issues wouldn't go on forever like this
[02:39] <e3co> gnash
[02:39] <sebsebseb> jyaan: well  we got a nice open standard soloution for vidoes ons ites
[02:39] <e3co> is gnash any good?
[02:39] <sebsebseb> jyaan: and audio.  yep the HTML 5 stuff
[02:39] <sebsebseb> jyaan: ,but stupid IE won't suppourt that :(
[02:39] <MacAnthony> wireless issue: my computer stopped finding any wireless networks - driver seems to be configured but iwlist wlan0 scan doesn't find any
[02:40] <Until_It_Sleeps> !patience
[02:40] <jyaan> sebsebseb: they'll get left behind if they don't keep up
[02:40] <silentContender> sebsebseb, secondly I can't even install gdm if I wanted too.  I login on KDM and it crashes to the shell.  The login there is screw up!  I login and instantly logout
[02:40] <sebsebseb> jyaan: well seems more and more people are going Ubuntu
[02:40] <jyaan> sebsebseb: miscrosoft is already concerned about losing to open source browsers
[02:40] <sebsebseb> jyaan: and Ubuntu is like a big win for all good software
[02:40] <jyaan> sebsebseb: IE is the _worst_ of all the browsers regarding both security and performance
[02:40] <sebsebseb> jyaan:  yep
[02:40] <Dracie> I use arch, i installed 8.10 on my brothers new laptop
[02:40] <davmil> does anyone know how to auto unlock the stupid default keyring?
[02:40] <bruce89> security?
[02:41] <jyaan> IE scores extremely low on acid test
[02:41] <Dracie> its a lenovo x61s
[02:41] <Nattgew> could someone tell me what files should be in /etc/event.d?
[02:41] <Until_It_Sleeps> !help what does "Aperture beyond 4 GB: Ignoring" mean?
[02:41] <sebsebseb> jyaan: and it does not come in Ubuntu  and so :d   people will use a good browser in Ubuntu, and so if enough people convert :D
[02:41] <Dracie> gnome-power-manager is totally freaking out
[02:41] <FaMott> !mount
[02:41] <Dracie> becomes unresponive
[02:41] <bruce89> Firefox had as many security issues last year than Opera, IE and Safari combines
[02:41] <Until_It_Sleeps> ubottu: :'(
[02:41] <illumin8> ryno105001: hey
[02:41] <FaMott> I'm trying to mount my Windows partition again >.>
[02:41] <e3co> Until_It_Sleeps:  it has never effected my system
[02:41] <jyaan> At least we have extensions like noscript
[02:41] <toggles_> Until_It_Sleeps: agp issues?
[02:41] <ionicwake> can anybody explain what grub error 17 is and why do i get it  immediately after installing ubuntu ?
[02:41] <ryno105001> hey
[02:41] <LordFDisk> bruce89,  did you try the BetterPrivacy 1.23 plug-in off the flash cookies?
[02:41] <bruce89> I don't use it
[02:41] <jyaan> Wow, adobe is offering .deb files now?
[02:42] <bruce89> Firefox that is
[02:42] <Dracie> i've heard the issue isn't in 8.04 so thats why i want to downgrade
[02:42] <sebsebseb> bruce89: there was a really good security issue for IE7  towards the end of last year or was it  begining of this one.  something pretty damn nasty,  and MS really had to do a crtical security update for that
[02:42] <jyaan> They're extremely easy to make though, so I guess it's not a surprise
[02:42] <Until_It_Sleeps> toggles_: It's only on the 64 bit version of Ubuntu
[02:42] <e3co> I have a 200gb internal hard-drive in my laptop a 320 external hard-drive and just bought a 500gb internal hard-drive. what is the easiest way to transfer my system to the new 500gb hd?
[02:42] <tritium> e3co: please stop repeating, as you've been asked before
[02:42] <sebsebseb> jyaan: for Flash?
[02:42] <toggles_> Until_It_Sleeps: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/271070 seems fixed in jaunty which is what im running, amd64
[02:42] <bruce89> e3co: probably not a good idea
[02:42] <jyaan> sebsebseb yes they have an ubuntu deb for flash
[02:43] <Until_It_Sleeps> so I assume that it has to do with the fact that 64 bit systems can support more than 4 gigs of ram
[02:43] <sebsebseb> jyaan: well check skype.com out then
[02:43] <sebsebseb> jyaan: they suppourt the popular distros
[02:43] <jyaan> sebsebseb i don't use it :P
[02:43] <sebsebseb> jyaan: no me either
[02:43] <Dracie> it seems gnome-power-manager eats cpu too
[02:43] <bruce89> swfdec?
[02:43] <Until_It_Sleeps> toggles_: jaunty? Is that the latest release of Ubuntu? I'm using Ubuntu 8.10
[02:43] <jyaan> sebsebseb I'm actually in Emacs right now...
[02:43] <_VIM_> Dracie: it does, htop is better
[02:43] <bruce89> Until_It_Sleeps: devel release ATM
[02:44] <e3co> Until_It_Sleeps:  Jaunty is the devel version
[02:44] <sebsebseb> bruce89:  yes  Swfdec from the open source community and  Gnash from The Free Software Foundation
[02:44] <Dracie> _VIM_, sorry i meant poewr manager
[02:44] <bruce89> I meant do you use swfdec
[02:44] <Until_It_Sleeps> ah...
[02:44] <e3co> Stick with 8.10 for a while
[02:44] <jyaan> I'm looking forward to either of them catching up
[02:44] <toggles_> Until_It_Sleeps: yeah, it's alpha or beta so upgrades everyday and isn't 100% stable on the desktop, the os seems fine but i have littel gnome/app issues every now and then
[02:44] <sebsebseb> bruce89: I haven't tried anything for Flash again yet,  now that I am down to hardly any tabs in this stupid Ubuntu version of Firefox, that likes to crash and such
[02:44] <e3co> toggles_:  beta last I used it
[02:44] <_VIM_> Dracie: oops i was thinking you said gnome-monitor app, long day :)
[02:44] <sebsebseb> bruce89: on my computer
[02:45] <sebsebseb> bruce89: and Galeon and Epiphany use the same plugin
[02:45] <jyaan> sebsebseb Turns out the deb was packaged by Ubuntu  devs... lol
[02:45] <davmil> does anyone know how to auto unlock the stupid default keyring?
[02:45] <bruce89> nice to see them promote FOSS
[02:45] <toggles_> e3co: yeah, it's fine if you dont mind  a little glitch every now and then, im quite impressed, just moved over from gentoo
[02:45] <silentContender> Can some one help me fix KDM so I can login?
[02:45] <tritium> davmil: no, not the stupid one.  Sorry.
[02:45] <sebsebseb> bruce89: it was worth trying Gnash and Swfdec yes,  I had them both briefly, but problems with Ubuntu's unoffical Firefox version
[02:45] <davmil> :)
[02:45] <davmil> tritium, thanks for validating my belief that it is stupid
[02:45] <sebsebseb> bruce89: Gnash is improving rather nicely.  and so is Swfdec I think
[02:45] <bruce89> sebsebseb: I am currently using swfdec with Epiphany in Jaunty
[02:46] <rww> silentContender: If you don't get an answer here, try #kubuntu. The people in there tend to know more about KDE than in here.
[02:46] <tritium> davmil: I didn't ;)
[02:46] <silentContender> rww, thanks
[02:46] <david_> hola a todos
[02:46] <sebsebseb> bruce89: would have been better if they made a Flash replacement instead of just a player, but not enough devs for that I suppouse
[02:46] <davmil> hola david_
[02:46] <bruce89> sebsebseb: replacement?
[02:46] <tritium> sebsebseb: there is a flash replacement in the works.  (gnash)
[02:46] <david_> no hablo ingles pero estoy buscando ayuda
[02:47] <tritium> !es | david_
[02:47] <sebsebseb> tritium: Gnash and Swfdec are just players, I meant a proper replacement for Flash
[02:47] <bruce89> in which sense a replacement?
[02:47] <sebsebseb> bruce89: even MS have done it Silverlight.  and Novell did the thing Moonlight since no Silverlight for Linux
[02:47] <_VIM_> good question
[02:47] <e3co> toggles_:  I wanted to feel like I was doing my part so I ran it for a month and did the whole bug reporting thing.
[02:47] <fethe8> bonjour, depuis ma derniere "update", le serveur X ne se démare plus apres le "loading"
[02:47] <david_> ok gracias....
[02:47] <stealth-> is there a ubuntu program to communicate with the skype network?
[02:47]  * bruce89 hates silverlight even more
[02:47] <_VIM_> !fr | fethe8
[02:47] <sebsebseb> stealth-: you can use Skype with Ubuntu
[02:48] <e3co> stealth-:  skype
[02:48] <stealth-> sebsebseb: ah. Okay. Thanks
[02:48] <Until_It_Sleeps> ewwwww, I just installed a Nvidia display driver, and now my screen resolution won't go any higher than 1024 x 768, and something funky goes on with title bars in windows when I move my mouse over them...
[02:48] <toggles_> e3co: nice, i was wondering how to do my part, i think im going to order a 20 pack of cd's and hand them out to my mates ;-)
[02:48] <sebsebseb> bruce89: same here
[02:48] <e3co> toggles_:  good idea...
[02:48] <sebsebseb> bruce89: ,but I guess since it's the MS one and they don't have a proper version for Linux
[02:48] <e3co> I got a tattoo
[02:48] <e3co> :D
[02:48] <toggles_> e3co: yeah, keep the load off the download servers ;-)
[02:48] <toggles_> e3co: for real?
[02:49] <bruce89> when <video> appears, there will be arguments about the actual codecs to use
[02:49] <saini-sanjeet> hi
[02:49] <e3co> yeah on my wrist
[02:49] <sebsebseb> !ot |  e3co toggles
[02:49] <e3co> Sorry
[02:49] <fethe8> ive had problems with X since i updated tu the newest kernel help anyone
[02:49] <sebsebseb> saini-sanjeet: hi
[02:49]  * bruce89 is off to off-topic
[02:49] <e3co> <<---me too
[02:50] <BigMike> what program can I use to make a video streaming server?
[02:50]  * rapchee is just off. thanks for the help
[02:51] <silentContender> rww, Would you know how to login with a broken shell?  (i.e. I login in the shell and instantly get logged out)
[02:52] <rww> silentContender: hrm. Do you know how it's broken, specifically?
[02:53] <yfk> which ubuntu alpha may become RC?
[02:53] <ASUSBlue> cd-rom drive i can only use it once in ubuntu
[02:53] <bruce89> that's not how it works
[02:53] <ASUSBlue> then i have to reboot in order to use it again
[02:54] <ASUSBlue> as a matter a fact i can't eject it again after using it once plz help
[02:54] <rww> yfk: Ubuntu Jaunty/9.04 is currently in alpha. The release schedule for RC and final release is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule . Is that what you meant?
[02:54] <_VIM_> ASUSBlue: sudo eject /dev/sr2  (or whatever yours is) doesn't eject it?
[02:55] <ectospasm> I haven't tried x86_64 linux in a while, is it still a pain to get stuff like Flash working on it?  I was thinking my CPU problem might be ameliorated if I reinstall with a 64bit system.
[02:55] <rww> ectospasm: it works fine for me =/
[02:55] <ectospasm> rww: out of the box
[02:56] <ectospasm> ?
[02:56] <yfk> rww: Guess I didn't know exactly how the release cycle works. but, yeah, that's the info. thanks
[02:56] <rww> ectospasm: I use the alpha 64-bit libflashplayer.so from Adobe, not the one in the repositories.
[02:57] <Mallen_> Hello!
[02:57] <_VIM_> ASUSBlue: there's another trick ive found, open k3b with elevaded privillages kdesudo k3b  and right click your drive thats in the list and choose Eject
[02:57] <ASUSBlue> Please help unable to cd-rom drive does not eject after using only once
[02:57] <rww> ectospasm: but the repo one worked fine before I switched. I just wanted to see if there was a difference.
[02:57] <ASUSBlue> what is k3b
[02:57] <ectospasm> rww: OK
[02:57] <_VIM_> doh ASUSBlue i am helping you, do you have me on ignore or something? :P
[02:57] <_VIM_> ASUSBlue: it's a burning software
[02:57] <tritium> ASUSBlue: a CD burning program, not installed by default
[02:57] <ectospasm> ASUSBlue: k3b is a cd mastering/ripping/burning software that comes with KDE
[02:57] <_VIM_> if you dont have it, dont bother getting it
[02:58] <ASUSBlue> ok but will it allow me to play another media
[02:58] <ectospasm> ASUSBlue: it's not a player
[02:58] <_VIM_> um yeah you need !Players
[02:58] <_VIM_> !players > ASUSBlue
[02:58] <ectospasm> although I think it has the capability of playing known media types.
[02:59] <ectospasm> ...which was always rather klunky, IIRC
[02:59] <Chanito> im using compiz, and i can only have 2 desktops, and when i got to compiz config, and in general tab i cant change to more then 1, why is that?
[02:59] <jyaan> Well, I hope Flash gets murdered by something in the near future
[02:59] <_VIM_> you all still on that flash convo? I figured that was 15 mins ago heh
[03:00] <tritium> Offtopic, at that.
[03:00] <aprilhare> strange. when i double click of a matroska video file, it opens in totem. but when i click 'play' on matroska file in vuze, it opens it in windows media player. which isn't helpful given WMP doesn't have the codecs. how do i make vuze forget about the existance of WMP? :)
[03:00] <ASUSBlue> V.I.M i know that already i can watch dvd movies the problem is that i can only watch one if i eject the drive and put another movie it i can't play it then if i try to take the movie out i can't i have to shut down my computer and turn it back on again. Also i can't just restart it because the BIOS screen freezes
[03:00] <aprilhare> or is it gnome that needs to forget about wmp?
[03:01] <stealth-> I have two computers, one that doesnt belong to me and another that does. Im at the one that doesnt belong to me, and I want to SSH into the machine that does. I dont want the owner of the machine im using to know what im doing on my other machine. Does ubuntu keep records of what I do when I remote login to another system?
[03:01] <ASUSBlue> V.I.M starting to dislike ubuntu
[03:02] <uendell> oi
[03:02] <uendell> oi
[03:02] <uendell> oi
[03:02] <FloodBot3> uendell: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:02] <ectospasm> stealth-: it logs ssh connections via syslog...
[03:02] <ectospasm> usually you'll see something in /var/log/authlog, or perhaps /var/log/messages.
[03:02] <stealth-> ectospasm: I dont care if he knows I logged into the machine, I just dont want him to know what I did on it. Would it record what I did?
[03:02] <ectospasm> stealth-: it'd be in the history file
[03:03] <ectospasm> stealth-: which you can erase
[03:03] <_VIM_> ASUSBlue: sudo eject cdrom  do anything for you?
[03:03] <stealth-> ectospasm: okay thanks. If I could become root, it would be okay to delete everything in the /var/log folder(s)? Or are logs for other stuff kept elsewere aswell?
[03:03] <ASUSBlue> no
[03:03] <spaarkplug> Ectospasm & stealth: wow
[03:03] <stealth-> ectospasm: for instance If I wanted to remove all of my logs for everything on that machine
[03:03] <stealth-> spaarkplug: ?
[03:04] <_VIM_> ASUSBlue: I'm wondering if theres a lock on any of your devices under /media/
[03:04] <ectospasm> stealth-: I don't know that that's ethical, so I'm not going any further.
[03:04] <spaarkplug> stealth: just curious what you guys are upto :) ?
[03:04] <_VIM_> ASUSBlue: you could try to remove the lock and then try sudo eject cdrom
[03:04] <ASUSBlue> V.I.M eject: tried to use `/media/cdrom0' as device name but it is no block device
[03:04] <ASUSBlue> eject: unable to find or open device for: `cdrom'
[03:04] <ASUSBlue> asus@ubuntu:~$
[03:05] <stealth-> ectospasm: ethical? Im not even doing anything, I dont even have two systems. Im just curious about how it works. Because I know ubuntu keeps program folders in places like /usr/ and other parts elsewere, so I was wondering about logs
[03:05] <stealth-> spaarkplug: ^
[03:05] <bert1> i changed a lot of  appearance settings last night (icons, x11 mouse theme, compiz themes etc) and now my top menu item in my grub menu (kernel 2.6.27-13-generic) loads but ends up on a black screen that never loads anything. if i load up the kernel before that, kernel 2.6.27-12, it will load (its what i'm on now). how do i fix my latest kernel and get it to boot again??? please help
[03:05] <ectospasm> ASUSBlue: you could always use the pinhole on the front of the drive to manually (physically) eject the disc
[03:05] <ectospasm> Of course, the drive will remain inoperative...
[03:06] <spaarkplug> stealth: I just pm 'ed you.
[03:06] <ASUSBlue> ectospasm true did that but if i put another movie or cd or data disk or whatever it does not work
[03:06] <ASUSBlue> thats a problem
[03:06] <ASUSBlue> i have to shut down and restart the computer
[03:07] <ectospasm> ASUSBlue: I had a similar problem with my old workstation's DVDROM drive.  After about 20min of uptime, it would fail to eject.  I never did solve it, I figured the drive was going bad.
[03:07] <Q751> In 7-zip, what the hell do the "update mode" options do and which ones d I choose?
[03:07] <ASUSBlue> This is a brand new computer
[03:07] <ectospasm> ASUSBlue: that doesn't mean the drive can't go bad.
[03:07] <ASUSBlue> True but it never happens in windows
[03:08] <ASUSBlue> I can exchange media in windows as many times as i want
[03:08] <ectospasm> ASUSBlue: I had the same problem with Ubuntu on mine... like I said, I never did solve it
[03:08] <ectospasm> ASUSBlue: look in /var/log/messages, to see if there are any errors or warnings about the CDROM drive...
[03:08] <turtle_> what is a good program to do a remote login easily?
[03:08] <ectospasm> turtle_: ssh
[03:09] <turtle_> im gonna remotely login from my laptop to my desktop, both are right here
[03:09] <disappearedng> how do you start a private conversation with someone through the console?
[03:09] <ectospasm> turtle_: or do you need xlogin?
[03:09] <disappearedng> "/msg" is not it
[03:09] <ASUSBlue> Yeah that sucks then cause i looked all over the place and there are no solutions anywhere there are some things that i could work around that i had problems with ubuntu that are bearable but this is unexceptable i'am going to try a another distro
[03:09] <turtle_> ectospasm, where do i get all the addresses to type in?
[03:09] <ASUSBlue> may open suse or something
[03:09] <shyam_k> recording sound is becoming more and more complex, with some configuration it gives me a nasty humming background noise, and at some other time prolly with some other alsamixer config, it gives me that noise removed, now it just doesn't record the sound though i can hear it back through the headphone!
[03:09] <ectospasm> turtle_: What do you mean?
[03:09] <marcus_> Quick question. Is it okay to erase the extracted tarball of a program that is compiled?
[03:10] <turtle_> well, where is ssh?
[03:10] <ectospasm> disappearedng: what IRC client are you using?
[03:10] <rww> marcus_: yup, should be.
[03:10] <ectospasm> turtle_: aptitude -y install openssh
[03:10] <marcus_> rww: Thanks
[03:10] <ectospasm> turtle_: aptitude -y install openssh-client
[03:10] <disappearedng> ectospasm xchat
[03:10] <ubuntu_> hey guys gparted doesn't show my partitions :/, but fdisk does
[03:10] <ectospasm> disappearedng: /msg <nick> should do it, assuming that nick is still logged into the network
[03:10] <Q751> Hey, I tried Linux once. To install files you can't just double click them? You have to jump through hoops? Isn't that primitive?
[03:10] <ASUSBlue> Yeap leaving ubuntu trying some other distro if that don't work oh well Microsoft windows vista hear i come
[03:11] <ectospasm> disappearedng: it won't open a new window or tab until the other party responds.
[03:11] <disappearedng> ectospasm: i actually wanna start a new window
[03:11] <ASUSBlue> very very upset with ubuntu
[03:11] <ectospasm> ASUSBlue: file a bug if you're so inclined.
[03:11] <Anacranom> ubuntu_, yes it does, just gotta know where to look
[03:11] <ASUSBlue> Where can i do that do you have a link
[03:12] <ectospasm> ASUSBlue: launchpad.net
[03:12] <bazhang> !bugs > ASUSBlue
[03:12] <ASUSBlue> Anacranom I looked everywhere
[03:12] <ubuntu_> ummm Anacranom, not it doesnt sec.
[03:12] <ASUSBlue> i spent hours and hours on this issue already it's not a minor problem this is huge
[03:12] <ASUSBlue> having to shut down your computer everytime you want put a new disk is a very big problem
[03:12] <ectospasm> disappearedng: you should be able to start a new window on the desired network, and send a message that way.
[03:13] <ubuntu_> Anacranom: >> http://i39.tinypic.com/64fkp2.png
[03:13] <ectospasm> disappearedng: I'm helping you from memory, I haven't used xchat in almost a year, maybe more.
[03:13] <turtle_> ectospasm, what about the Remote Desktop Viewer?
[03:14] <ectospasm> turtle_: sure, if you want to run an RDP server on the target host...
[03:14] <Anacranom> ubuntu_, looking
[03:14] <ubuntu_> anybody know why gparted can't read my partition table? > http://i39.tinypic.com/64fkp2.png
[03:14] <ectospasm> turtle_: what are you trying to do with this remote connection?
[03:14] <ubuntu_> thanks Anacranom
[03:14] <turtle_> just getting a feel for networking and such
[03:14] <ectospasm> ubuntu_: does fdisk or cfdisk see it properly?  (disclaimer, I don't use gparted)
[03:15] <turtle_> ectospasm, I wanna eventually be a Unix Admin
[03:15] <Anacranom> ubuntu_, did you click the drop-down in the upper left?
[03:15] <ectospasm> turtle_: then learn to use SSH
[03:15] <Dreamglider> what is the button "host" ?
[03:15] <ectospasm> Dreamglider: in reference to what?
[03:15] <Dreamglider> ectospasm,   Virtualbox says that to go full screen use Host+f
[03:16] <turtle_> ectospasm, where is it located in the GUI when i need to use it?
[03:16] <ubuntu_> Anacranom: ok so this is what i did
[03:16] <ectospasm> turtle_: SSH is a CLI program...
[03:16] <michael__> host is probably the right cntrol key
[03:16] <ectospasm> turtle_: you need to learn to use the command line interface if you want to be a UNIX Admin..
[03:16] <turtle_> ubuntu_, use ctrl+alt
[03:16] <michael__> Dreamglider: host is probably the right cntrol key
[03:16] <turtle_> ok
[03:16] <ubuntu_> i have a 60 gig extended partition table for my OS's a 170 gig for my /home.. in my 60 gig partition table i wanted 20 gigs to be ubuntu and 20 gigs to be windows
[03:17] <turtle_> thanks ectospasm
[03:17] <ubuntu_> i installed windows in it and now it seems like it ruined my entire partition table :/
[03:17] <turtle_> strange name, but good advice
[03:17] <ectospasm> ubuntu_: welcome to the world of installing Windows after Linux.
[03:17] <Dreamglider> ubuntu_, have a look at testdisk
[03:17] <ubuntu_> so what do i do now :(
[03:18] <temporarytao> ectospasm, lol
[03:18] <ectospasm> ubuntu_: testdisk is not a bad option, you may be able to recover your partition table that way
[03:18] <ubuntu_> lets hope :/
[03:18] <ectospasm> ubuntu_: but of course you may invalidate your Vista install...
[03:18] <ubuntu_> it was XP
[03:18] <ectospasm> ubuntu_: or XP, or whatever
[03:18] <ubuntu_> i dont mind, i just really dont want my /home or my linux filesystem to get messed up
[03:19] <Dreamglider> ubuntu_, to cheer you up, testdisk saved my @ss twice today.... :P
[03:19] <turtle_> pirating is bad but windows can be obtained for a nice discount
[03:19] <ectospasm> ubuntu_: did you delete any partitions when you installed XP?
[03:19] <ubuntu_> no ectospasm
[03:19] <ubuntu_> i had everything set up nicely
[03:19] <Dreamglider> pirating is the only way !
[03:20] <ectospasm> ubuntu_: then your data is probably still there, you'll just need to recover the partition table.
[03:20] <turtle_> Dreamglider, can you crack Vista?
[03:20] <ubuntu_> yeah
[03:20] <mhall119> turtle_: with a hammer
[03:20] <Dreamglider> turtle_, yea
[03:20] <ectospasm> ubuntu_: testdisk will help there, if anything will.
[03:20] <shyam_k> turtle_: just run it
[03:20] <turtle_> 64 Ultimate?
[03:20] <ectospasm> Vista was cracked before it was released, wasn't it?
[03:20] <turtle_> I did but dont use it,         LOL
[03:20] <Dreamglider> turtle_, i dont know, i tested vista a year ago, in the beta stage worked then
[03:20] <rww> !pirate
[03:20] <turtle_> just wanted to make sure I could do it
[03:20] <shyam_k> turtle_: http://www.badvista.org
[03:21] <rww> !piracy
[03:21] <michael__> !o4o
[03:21] <Dracie> what does o4o stand for?
[03:21] <michael__> that is what i was wondering...
[03:21] <turtle_> its autogenerated
[03:22] <michael__> autogenerated by what?
[03:22] <turtle_> like the rain
[03:22] <rww> Dracie: offtopic for offtopic. Aka, "it's not even allowed in #ubuntu-offtopic"
[03:22] <Anacranom> !ot
[03:22] <ubuntu_> allright rebooting, wish me luck guys :D
[03:23] <Dreamglider> can i use utorrent in wine and save the download on a ext3 partition ?
[03:23] <Dreamglider> ubuntu_, gl
[03:23] <turtle_> its the new !o4o generator is dispencing !o4o's as we speak!!!  Get them while they're hot and steamy
[03:23] <rww> turtle_: not here, thanks
[03:23] <Scunizi> many have had issues w/ utorrent in wine.. why not just use a native client.. transmission is built in
[03:24] <turtle_> ok, I apologize
[03:24] <z35> I need sane-epkowa 2.14.0 which is in libsane-extra, does anybody know where i can get the latest unstable version?
[03:24] <darrik> hello, i kinda need some help with my internet. I am using a usb dongle for internet and am using my drivers from windows via ndswrapper. I seem to browse and surf on firefox fine, but updating and adding/removing programs is either really slow or kinda "hiccups" speed.
[03:24]  * Anacranom agrees with Scunizi
[03:24] <darrik> Also ima using 8.10
[03:24] <ILoveXP> darrik: did you select the best server for the downloads or just use the default?
[03:24] <turtle_> darrik, whhy ndiswrapper?
[03:24] <Dracie> rww, gotcha
[03:24] <turtle_> most all cards have built in driver now
[03:24]  * Scunizi gives Anacranom the nod.
[03:25] <Mike94287> Rhythmbox just froze on me so I force quit it and now I can't reopen it. Can someone tell me how I can get it to open?
[03:25] <darrik> Ilovexp, i used the one that sounded the closest
[03:25] <turtle_> darrik, which card you have?
[03:25] <ILoveXP> darrik: do you know how to choose the fastest one for your connection?
[03:25] <darrik> turtle, belkin model, f5d7050
[03:26] <darrik> Ilovexp, no
[03:26] <rwparris2> does anyone in here use wireshark?  It doesn't see any of my network interfaces, but it works fine in windows on the same computer :/ (ubuntu 8.04, installed wireshark by apt-get install wireshark)
[03:26] <turtle_> and it didnt recognize it when you installed Ubuntu?
[03:27] <turtle_> darrik, read above, sorry
[03:27] <darrik> i was reading something about ipv6 slowing stuff down
[03:27] <mhall119> rwparris2: I use it, but never had that problem
[03:27] <darrik> turtle, no it wouldn't even light up
[03:27] <Mike94287> Rhythmbox just froze on me so I force quit it and now I can't reopen it. Can someone tell me how I can get it to open?
[03:27] <redvamp128> Dreamglider:  I did find this about your utorrent- it seems as if it has a GOLD/Platinum status with some issues. WineHQ - uTorrent 1.8.1 <http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=14464>
[03:27] <rwparris2> mhall119, odd
[03:28] <mhall119> rwparris2: tried running it as root?
[03:28] <ILoveXP> system -> administration -> software sources. then choose "download from: other". there will  be a select best server button
[03:28] <rwparris2> I don't know how to do that?
[03:28]  * Anacranom considers changing nick to "IHateXP" but that would conflict with ILoveXP and cause a rip in the fabric of the chat-time-continuum and ... and.. NEO!
[03:28] <rwparris2> ignore that question mark^
[03:28] <turtle_> darrik, probably the glitchy many paths and uncertainties going through ndiswrapper and different file systems!
[03:29] <turtle_> its a bummer in scientific terms
[03:29] <darrik> ahh my server was set to canada
[03:29] <rwparris2> mhall119, nevermind, running as root does work thank you
[03:29] <mhall119> no problem
[03:29] <darrik> that should fix it
[03:29] <darrik> *checking*