[05:50] <DaSkreech> It's a dir listing
[05:50] <arrenlex> DaSkreech: Of course not! But you need to point it to a full file.
[05:50] <Galaeron> jester: if you got 3 slots used then Halitech is right. 1 slot is a gig, the other 2 slots at 512
[05:50] <n_i_c_k> MattDaPcWiz: I suggest: remove the card.  Reboot. Run "ifconfig -a".  Shutdown.  Insert the card.  Boot. Run "ifconfig -a".  Any diff?  If yes, you're prob in good shape.  If not, not.
[05:50] <DaSkreech> Can't I glob files?
[05:50] <DaSkreech> It hasa --n-glob option
[05:50] <DaSkreech> noglob
[05:50] <MattDaPcWiz> yes well
[05:50] <frogzoo> DaSkreech: -r - recursive
[05:50] <MattDaPcWiz> u forget
[05:50] <MattDaPcWiz> ITS BUILT INTO THE MOTHERBAORD
[05:50] <DaSkreech> frogzoo: asks for index.html
[05:50] <MattDaPcWiz> kinda hard to remove lol
[05:51] <n_i_c_k> MattDaPcWiz: ah.. you have a point..
[05:51] <MattDaPcWiz> and where do i type these commands?
[05:51] <MattDaPcWiz> ive just started using linuz lol
[05:51] <n_i_c_k> MattDaPcWiz: what motherboard?
[05:51] <MattDaPcWiz> linux*
[05:51] <MattDaPcWiz> Gigabyte GA-965P-S3
[05:51] <roler> frogzoo; thanks so much, gxine seems to be working great. just a bit washed out (too bright) but very smooth
[05:51] <DaSkreech> arrenlex: so it's can't mirror say a directory of images?
[05:51] <Jester45> ok
[05:51] <Jester45> thanks
[05:51] <frogzoo> DaSkreech: it still needs an initial jump off page - and no, you can't glob in html
[05:52] <DaSkreech> frogzoo: gives a 404 index.html not found
[05:52] <Pie-rate> MattDaPcWiz: click applications->accessories->terminal and type lspci
[05:52] <DaSkreech> frogzoo: so the --no-glob option is pointless?
[05:52] <MattDaPcWiz> brb
[05:52] <Pie-rate> paste the output to
[05:52] <Pie-rate> !paste
[05:52] <Halitech> jakub_ I tried that on my system and it just shows 256 but I have a pair of 128s
[05:52] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:52] <frogzoo> DaSkreech: you can't glob in html
[05:52] <zcat[1] > in edgy, how do I set something up to run on boot (NOT on login) .. I used to have motion running from my inittab, but now it doesn't seem to happen.
[05:52] <n_i_c_k> MattDaPcWiz: hmm.. what does the following return: " ifconfig | tr -s ' ' | cut -d' ' -f 1"
[05:52] <frogzoo> zcat[1] : man boot-scripts
[05:53] <zcat[1] > do I have to use /etc/init.d ?
[05:53] <zcat[1] > damn, what a pain.. inittab was easy
[05:53] <n_i_c_k> zcat[1] : rc.local, I think
[05:53] <DaSkreech> So what should I use to mirror?
[05:53] <frogzoo> zcat[1] : inittab will do it too, take your pick
[05:54] <zcat[1] > inittab doesn't seem to be doing it any more...
[05:54] <frogzoo> zcat[1] : only inittab is typically meant for session management
[05:54] <MattDaPcWiz> ALRIHT
[05:54] <MattDaPcWiz> it reconises it
[05:54] <MattDaPcWiz> as an ethernet adaptor and that its from Marvell tech, but its unknown devide 4364
[05:54] <Pie-rate> http://jon.pmtech.com/~jschall/screenshot.png can anyone tell me how to fix the black area around the flash animation at the top of the page?
[05:55] <n_i_c_k> MattDaPcWiz: if it shows as "eth0" or some such yr ok.. if not, I don't know.
[05:55] <poquedoraqu> in case i get no help in #kubuntu, mayebe you guys might know. My girlfriend got a new HP computer that came with winblowz, and we just tried to resize its partition so that kubuntu could squeeze in... but the windows partition is displayed in red, and when you try to resize it says "couldnt check disk, totally 3 clusters"
[05:55] <poquedoraqu> its brand new out of the box :<
[05:56] <frogzoo> zcat[1] : wierd, where's /etc/inittab gone?
[05:56] <zcat[1] > poquedoraqu: just nuke windows ... why would you want to keep it?!!
[05:56] <MattDaPcWiz> is it not possible
[05:56] <MattDaPcWiz> do get a driver for it?
[05:56] <poquedoraqu> zcat[1] : Bd
[05:56] <zcat[1] > frogzoo: still there, just not running motion like it used to
[05:56] <poquedoraqu> zcat[1] : She likes her little windows fish tank program
[05:56] <poquedoraqu> zcat[1] : And this male stripper thing that doesnt work in linux
[05:56] <Capslock118> would it be easier for me to use x32 as opposed to x64 ubuntu? (i have a x64 cpu)
[05:56] <MattDaPcWiz> omg
[05:56] <poquedoraqu> she's extremely shallow
[05:57] <n_i_c_k> MattDaPcWiz: maybe, but probably not from Ubuntu.  Complain to the motherboard supplier.
[05:57] <zcat[1] > haha..
[05:57] <MattDaPcWiz> it appears mavell has released a driver
[05:57] <MattDaPcWiz> for linux
[05:57] <MattDaPcWiz> lol screw gigabyte they r useless to tech support
[05:57] <Pie-rate> poquedoraqu: maybe the male stripper thing will work under wine?
[05:57] <zcat[1] > 12:23:respawn:su - zcat -c "motion" </dev/tty12 &>/dev/tty12   -- used to work, now does nothing. Doesn't even seem to be loggin an error anywhere
[05:57] <n_i_c_k> MattDaPcWiz: thank you.  I shall avoid Gigabyte motherboards.
[05:57] <poquedoraqu> Pie-rate: We tried. It flickers really fast on the desktop. And her fish program doesnt work at all - you cant reeally emulate a screensaver
[05:57] <MattDaPcWiz> hahahah
[05:58] <MattDaPcWiz> nononono
[05:58] <MattDaPcWiz> the mobos fkn kick ass
[05:58] <MattDaPcWiz> but
[05:58] <MattDaPcWiz> and u never need tech support
[05:58] <poquedoraqu> These programs arent high on Wine's "to do" list
[05:58] <MattDaPcWiz> besides its not a gigabyte issue
[05:58] <MattDaPcWiz> its a marvell issue
[05:58] <Pie-rate> poquedoraqu: i bet there's a fish screensaver for linux
[05:58] <MattDaPcWiz> and i believe they have released a LINUX driver
[05:58] <DBO> MattDaPcWiz, your enter key is not a comma
[05:58] <poquedoraqu> Pie-rate: I think there must be, but she lieks hers :<
[05:58] <zcat[1] > Pie-rate: You'd think so.. but no.. nothing I've been able to find. They all suck.
[05:58] <poquedoraqu> At any rate, can window sblock a partition from being resized?
[05:58] <n_i_c_k> MattDaPcWiz: if it's on Gb's mobo, it's their issue.  Don't underestimate your influence as a paying customer.
[05:59] <frogzoo> zcat[1] : there's a lot of tweaks you can do with hdparm to make disk access faster: mult_sect_io io32_support transfer_mode lookahead read_ahead_sect interrupt-unmask
[05:59] <MattDaPcWiz> ok
[05:59] <MattDaPcWiz> alright quick question
[05:59] <DaSkreech> frogzoo, arrenlex: ok lftp -c took care of my problems
[05:59] <DaSkreech> thanks
[05:59] <MattDaPcWiz> marvell has linux drivers, which should i download?
[06:00] <zcat[1] > frogzoo: ?? fishtank screensavers?
[06:00] <MattDaPcWiz> kernell 2.6
[06:00] <Pie-rate> its like flash doesn't support transperency on linux
[06:00] <MattDaPcWiz> kernell 2.4.20 and higher
[06:00] <MattDaPcWiz> anyone?
[06:00] <n_i_c_k> MattDaPcWiz: well I'm a Free Software bigot.  If the license if non-Free, don't use the product.  I'm afraid that might not be much help, but Free isn't always Easy.
[06:01] <poquedoraqu> n_i_c_k: Im with you. she's not
[06:01] <arrenlex> MattDaPcWiz: I have a Marvell NIC that works with the open-source sky2 driver. Does yours not work?
[06:01] <PORDO> since upgrading to edgy this week, i can no longer hibernate. :(
[06:01] <MattDaPcWiz> i have a Marvel Yukon builtinto mobo
[06:01] <MattDaPcWiz> where might i aqquire this sky2?
[06:01] <arrenlex> MattDaPcWiz: Yes, I have a marvell yukon NIC.
[06:01] <MattDaPcWiz> do not forget i do not have internet on the LINUX computer
[06:02] <arrenlex> MattDaPcWiz: For me, it Just Worked (tm) when I installed.
[06:02] <MattDaPcWiz> alright
[06:02] <MattDaPcWiz> do u have link for driver?
[06:02] <MattDaPcWiz> and does it work properly?
[06:02] <Capslock118> How can I put a mounted drive to display in the computer folder instead of in the filesystem?
[06:02] <frogzoo> MattDaPcWiz: well that's first thing to fix - ubuntu without net is too painful
[06:02] <Capslock118> im thinking shotcuting it?
[06:02] <n_i_c_k> poquedoraqu: I am glad to hear you.
[06:02] <arrenlex> MattDaPcWiz: As I said-- it just worked when I installed, without me downloading anything.
[06:02] <MattDaPcWiz> lol
[06:02] <MattDaPcWiz> k
[06:02] <MattDaPcWiz> omg one other things
[06:02] <MattDaPcWiz> which im praying u guys know what to do
[06:02] <poquedoraqu> Believe me, no one hates windows more than me, which is why i want to help her dual-boot. plus, as an artist it will be in her ebst interwest
[06:02] <Pie-rate> show her flying toasters and she'll switch over immediately
[06:03] <poquedoraqu> *interest
[06:03] <MattDaPcWiz> im usuing a dual boot system XP PRO/ LINUX UBUNTU
[06:03] <MattDaPcWiz> and i want to access my other 3 hard drives with linux
[06:03] <MattDaPcWiz> even though they r windows
[06:03] <konam> thats easy
[06:03] <konam> !
[06:03] <MattDaPcWiz> lol
[06:03] <Flannel> !ntfs | MattDaPcWiz
[06:03] <ubotu> MattDaPcWiz: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[06:03] <MattDaPcWiz> how?
[06:04] <MattDaPcWiz> ok guys
[06:04] <MattDaPcWiz> this is the first time i have used linuz
[06:04] <MattDaPcWiz> linux*
[06:04] <MattDaPcWiz> lol
[06:04] <poquedoraqu> Anyway, does anyone at all know if windows has the ability to make a partition blocked from resize
[06:04] <Flannel> MattDaPcWiz: read the link ubotu sent you
[06:04] <MattDaPcWiz> sop go easy on me and wtf is !fuse?
[06:04] <poquedoraqu> because I want  it to dual boot
[06:04] <MattDaPcWiz> ok
[06:04] <MattDaPcWiz> brb
[06:04] <Geoffrey2> MattDaPcWiz, Linux can read NTFS just fine, writing to NTFS is something that should be avoided
[06:05] <MattDaPcWiz> ok
[06:05] <MattDaPcWiz> good
[06:05] <arrenlex> MattDaPcWiz: For your NIC, try "modprobe -v sky2" and tell us what it says.
[06:05] <poquedoraqu> well im going to go...
[06:08] <MattDaPcWiz> error inserting sky2
[06:09] <MattDaPcWiz> ok guys does mIRC work on ubuntu?
[06:09] <arrenlex> MattDaPcWiz: "error" is all it says? xD
[06:09] <MattDaPcWiz> lol
[06:09] <MattDaPcWiz> well
[06:09] <Halitech> Matt, why would you need mIRC? Xchat is the same thing
[06:09] <MattDaPcWiz> its on another computer in aNOTHER room
[06:09] <MattDaPcWiz> sooo hard to write it all down
[06:09] <MattDaPcWiz> alright
[06:09] <MattDaPcWiz> then i will use that
[06:09] <MattDaPcWiz> but i need my internet first
[06:10] <ladik> hi, sometimes i see in process manager, firefox-bin running netstat, is that normal?
[06:10] <Halitech> or you can use gaim as well
[06:13] <juanjo> holaaaaaa
[06:13] <juanjo> holaaaaaaaaa
[06:13] <juanjo> hellooooooooooo
[06:14] <Halitech> !hello
[06:14] <ubotu> hello: The classic greeting, and a good example. In component main, is optional. Version 2.1.1-4 (edgy), package size 47 kB, installed size 472 kB
[06:14] <nn> how do i get my video chipset (via unichrome)'s builtin mpeg2 decoder and mpeg4 accelerator to work in X? :)
[06:15] <rajiv_nair> !hi
[06:15] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu!
[06:15] <Capslock118> how can I make bash the system default shell?
[06:15] <tonyyarusso> Capslock118: Use the 'chsh' tool.
[06:16] <nn> tonyyarusso: system not user
[06:16] <nn> Capslock118: instead of say 'dash'?
[06:16] <Capslock118> nn: yes
[06:16] <nn> Capslock118: you'd remove the /bin/sh symlink and replace it with one from /bin/bash
[06:16] <tonyyarusso> nn: Ah, right
[06:17] <nn> Capslock118: rm /bin/sh; ln -s `which bash` /bin/sh
[06:17] <nn> I dislike dash too, but it's technically posix correct, more so than bash
[06:17] <Capslock118> 'which bash' would be bin/bash?
[06:18] <nn> Capslock118: yea, it'll find that for ya, tho
[06:18] <nn> `which bash` executes 'which' a program that finds it's first argument in the PATH var
[06:19] <frogzoo> Capslock118: why would you want to do that?
[06:19] <nn> for some reason, my wireless link quality is very bad mow
[06:19] <nn> maybe the card is overheating?
[06:19] <frogzoo> nn: someone's running a microwave maybe
[06:19] <Capslock118> frogzoo: i am trying to get cedega to work and I read that I need to be in bash in order for it to work
[06:20] <Capslock118> im basically just going with what i can find
[06:20] <nn> frogzoo: no, i think it's maybe heat with the card ;\
[06:20] <nn> this box is fanless and i've made some mods to it recently, but it might be tottally unconnected
[06:20] <frogzoo> Capslock118: you are in bash, it's the default user shell
[06:20] <btrento> hey does anyone know how to make /forcefsck scan more than just the main drive
[06:20] <drkm> how do I reinstall a selection with apt-get?
[06:20] <BenC> drkm: apt-get --reinstall install foo
[06:21] <Jordan_U> Is somebody linking /bin/sh to /bin/bash in edgy? If so, DON'T
[06:21] <Capslock118> frogzoo: this is what I was told, in terms of the console i really dont knwo....The problem is that edgy has a different default shell, dash.
[06:21] <Capslock118>  Basically you need to make bash the system default shell.
[06:21] <drkm> BenC: thanks
[06:21] <Capslock118> thats what i was told
[06:21] <pzl> !assembly comp
[06:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about assembly comp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:21] <BenC> Capslock118: making /bin/sh point to bash is not correct
[06:21] <zcat[1] > Capslock118: I think you have been misinformed...
[06:22] <pzl> !blackbox
[06:22] <ubotu> blackbox: Window manager for X. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.70.1-1.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 251 kB, installed size 768 kB
[06:22] <BenC> if you want to use /bin/bash in your scripts, then point to it directly
[06:22] <Jordan_U> Capslock118: If somebody told you you you need to make /bin/sh /bin/bash the have a broken script that THEY need to fix
[06:22] <BenC> if you want your scripts to work with /bin/sh, use correct posix shell
[06:23] <max_> Fire Fox crashes when loading a lage with flash, anyone know the fix?
[06:23] <zcat[1] > lage ?
[06:23] <zcat[1] > ahh.. page
[06:23] <max_> page*
[06:23] <Capslock118> x61431g
[06:24] <frogzoo> max_: tried flash 9?
[06:24] <max_> its a FF problem
[06:24] <max_> not a flash problem
[06:24] <max_> !ffcrash
[06:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ffcrash - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:24] <Jordan_U> max_: If it happens with flash then it is a flash problem
[06:28] <zcat[1] > finally upgraded to edgy.. seems to have gone quite well. I guess I'll know for sue when Sue uses it.
[06:28] <zcat[1] > *sure
[06:28] <Capslock118> how do i go back to bin?
[06:28] <CraZy675> Hi I'm running a LAMP server and have always used a hardware firewall, I'd like to remove my hardware firewall and use ubuntu's firewall
[06:28] <Capslock118> bash rather
[06:29] <CraZy675> anyone have a link to a good firewall setup tutorial?
[06:30] <frogzoo> !firestarter | CraZy675
[06:30] <ubotu> CraZy675: Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[06:30] <Capslock118> shit "bash: /usr/bin/groups: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
[06:30] <Capslock118> bash: /usr/bin/lesspipe: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
[06:30] <Capslock118> "
[06:30] <CraZy675> thanks frogzoo and bot
[06:30] <Capslock118> what does that mean?
[06:30] <zcat[1] > Capslock118: sudo -i
[06:30] <drkm> I installed kde via "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop".. it messed up and I want to re-install it so I am using 'apt-get --reinstall install kubuntu-desktop' but it only downloads kubuntu-desktop and does install anything.. what should I be doing?
[06:31] <zcat[1] > Capslock118: then cd /bin ; rm sh ; ln -s dash sh
[06:31] <Capslock118> zcat[1] : thanks for the save
[06:31] <duckfish> can I change umask for just one folder?
[06:32] <drkm> anyone?
[06:32] <BenC> drkm: kubuntu-desktop is just a metapackage, you'll need to specify each package, or remove kubuntu-desktop, autoremove and then reinstall
[06:33] <frogzoo> duckfish: no, but you could use acls
[06:34] <starz> hey anyone know where i can find the maintainer of w32codecs ?  or its homepage?
[06:34] <frogzoo> duckfish: also chmod . +s & +t can be handy
[06:34] <zcat[1] > starz: google it?
[06:35] <drkm> BenC: how do you do this autoremove?
[06:35] <bradley> hi could anyone tell me what cashe memory is? and what it is used by?
[06:35] <BenC> apt-get auto-remove
[06:35] <frogzoo> bradley: what's your problem?
[06:35] <BenC> bradley: it's the memory used by diskcache, and the kernel uses it...it's also free'd when you need it, so don't worry about how much is being used
[06:36] <zcat[1] > !moo
[06:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about moo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:36] <drkm> BenC: ah ok.. so I am doing: apt-get autoremove kde? or kubuntu-desktop?
[06:36] <zcat[1] > I see ubotu doesn't have super-cow powers
[06:36] <BenC> drkm: No, apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop; apt-get auto-remove
[06:36] <starz> zcat[1] , unlike the ignorant masses i actually do know about google and use it.
[06:37] <starz> i only bother to ask as ive not found the answer, and wish to.
[06:37] <ski-worklap> what are some good free as in beer games for linux?
[06:37] <bradley> frogzoo, my computer seems to glitch sometimes so i added the memory graph to my panel and it says that my 63% of the memory is used in cache.
[06:37] <zcat[1] > starz: yeah, I can't find it either :)
[06:37] <drkm> BenC: thank you.. that actually seems to be doing something I wanted it to :p
[06:37] <ski-worklap> i've got tuxracer and rogue, and what i can find online with flash, but that's it so far
[06:37] <frogzoo> ski-worklap: lincity-ng & battle of wesnoth are good strategy games
[06:37] <zcat[1] > ski-worklap: nexuis ?
[06:38] <zcat[1] > sorry, nexuiz
[06:38] <Capslock118> whats the difference between video ram and agp mem available?
[06:38] <starz> and apparently aptitude thinks its not a real package ~_____________~
[06:38] <bradley> frogzoo, i am not sure if that is normal or too high.
[06:38] <bradley> or if it would cause a freeze
[06:38] <mikemike> I'll ask again.   I've got a PLC putting .txt files on a server. I need to talk to an AS400 speaking UNIX.   I want to model that in Linux.  Should the Linux poll the txt files or is there a better way.  I'm not a programmer but not an idiot.Just looking for a point in the right direction.
[06:39] <frogzoo> bradley: it's normal - linux doesn't leave your mem sitting idle, but uses it internally, & releases as necessary
[06:39] <ski-worklap> zcat[1] , frogzoo thanks - i'll check those out
[06:39] <Jordan_U> When there are too many animations happening at once beryl slows down so much that it might as whell be frozen, should I report that as a bug ?
[06:39] <zcat[1] > ski-worklap: enable the seveas repo and install ubuntu-games metapackage, it's got all the best games
[06:39] <bradley> frogzoo, so i would only need to concern myself with memory used by programs?
[06:40] <ski-worklap> zcat[1] , oh nice
[06:40] <ski-worklap> wow that is a lot of games
[06:40] <duckfish> frogzoo: are they automatic; does it set the perms when you create a new file?
[06:40] <frogzoo> bradley: yes, try htop
[06:41] <frogzoo> duckfish: really depends what you're trying to do
[06:41] <bradley> frogzoo, great thanks. what is htop? (or i guess i can google and figure it out) so thanks again!
[06:42] <zcat[1] > !htop
[06:42] <ubotu> htop: interactive processes viewer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.2-1 (edgy), package size 42 kB, installed size 172 kB
[06:42] <navaburo_> Whats the secret to java in firefox 2?
[06:42] <Born_In_Xixax> seveas repo?
[06:42] <duckfish> frogzoo: I want it so that when I right-click and go to Create Document > Empty File in /var/www, it makes the file with perms 775
[06:42] <zcat[1] > navaburo: tell me when you find it :)
[06:43] <ski-worklap> navaburo, what's wrong with java in ffox2?
[06:43] <ski-worklap> i find it crashes with certain apps but other apps are fine.
[06:43] <duckfish> frogzoo: or if I do 'gedit /var/www/a-new-file'
[06:43] <ski-worklap> is that what you're talking about?
[06:43] <navaburo_> whats not wrong? the faqs say to link from a nonexistant directory: /usr/java
[06:43] <navaburo_> anyone else on edgy with ffx2 and sunjava?
[06:47] <Pie-rate> navaburo_: give me an example of an app that crashes?
[06:47] <loki505> how can i find shoutcast tv stations
[06:47] <navaburo_> Pie-rate, no app crashes, i just cant get java installed
[06:47] <Pie-rate> oh, it was ski-worklap that had crashes
[06:47] <frogzoo> duckfish: best option - 'sudo chmod +s /var/www' & add users to www-data as necessary
[06:47] <navaburo_> loki505, there is a realy nifty php page out there that does it for you
[06:47] <Pie-rate> ski-worklap, what applet crashes?
[06:48] <frogzoo> duckfish: 'sudo chgrp www-data /var/www' also
[06:49] <jakub_> frogzoo: chown user:group file/directory/symlink/etc works as well
[06:51] <Pie-rate> http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm best. site. ever.
[06:51] <MattDaPcWiz> alright
[06:51] <MattDaPcWiz> im back and im pissed lol
[06:51] <MattDaPcWiz> i still have not connected internet
[06:51] <MattDaPcWiz> and it still does not show my adaptopr
[06:52] <MattDaPcWiz> someone must've had this problem
[06:52] <MattDaPcWiz> anyone?
[06:52] <jakub_> Pie-rate: nice find
[06:52] <jakub_> MattDaPcWiz: no one is going to remember all your problems. please state them again
[06:52] <MattDaPcWiz> lol
[06:53] <MattDaPcWiz> well nothing matters except the network adaptor not showing
[06:53] <MattDaPcWiz> ther rest can be fixed when i get xchat working on the computer in question
[06:53] <jakub_> MattDaPcWiz: and what network adapter is that?
[06:53] <jakub_> MattDaPcWiz: that's bloatware, imho and for your objective, irssi will suffice
[06:53] <MattDaPcWiz> it is a Marvell Yukon adaptor built into a Gigabyte Motherboard
[06:54] <MattDaPcWiz> ok
[06:54] <jakub_> MattDaPcWiz: that doesn't sound ilke something i've heard of before, which might mean it's somewhat esoteric and not in the standard ubuntu generic kernel
[06:54] <MattDaPcWiz> nonno
[06:54] <MattDaPcWiz> i have been googleing for ages
[06:54] <jakub_> MattDaPcWiz: in that case, you'll have to compile your own kernel (possibly convert to a deb and install)
[06:54] <MattDaPcWiz> it was fixed for a long time
[06:54] <MattDaPcWiz> but now its not wtf? lol
[06:54] <jakub_> what's not "fixed"?
[06:54] <Born_In_Xixax> i have a marvell pci wirless card, i had to use ndiswrapper
[06:54] <MattDaPcWiz> well
[06:55] <MattDaPcWiz> it knows that there is a device there
[06:55] <MattDaPcWiz> it just does not recognise it
[06:55] <MattDaPcWiz> and in turn
[06:55] <MattDaPcWiz> does not show it when i go to networking
[06:55] <jakub_> MattDaPcWiz: my openbsd box recognizes i have RAID 0+1, but that doesn't mean RAID works on it
[06:55] <MattDaPcWiz> which means i cannot coonfigure it for my network
[06:55] <MattDaPcWiz> yes i know
[06:55] <jakub_> MattDaPcWiz: maybe you should delve into a non-GUI environment in case the GUI doesn't support all the options
[06:55] <MattDaPcWiz> this is just it
[06:55] <Born_In_Xixax> have you tried the nidswrapper path?
[06:56] <MattDaPcWiz> it has worked on previous version of Ubuntu
[06:56] <MattDaPcWiz> without any configuration
[06:56] <Born_In_Xixax> are you on edgy?
[06:56] <MattDaPcWiz> edgy?
[06:56] <Born_In_Xixax> what version of ubuntu
[06:56] <MattDaPcWiz> 6.10
[06:56] <Born_In_Xixax> are yo uahving trouble with
[06:56] <MattDaPcWiz> just got it an hour ago
[06:56] <jakub_> wait, this *is* an ethernet card, correct? or am i Google'ing incorrectly here?
[06:56] <MattDaPcWiz> my other things are not issues, but rather things to do
[06:57] <jakub_> because ndiswrapper has *nothing* to do with it in that case
[06:57] <MattDaPcWiz> its and ethernet ADAPTOR not a card, it is built into the motherboard
[06:57] <sonicGB> Marvel Yukon is gigabit ethernet IIRC....
[06:57] <MattDaPcWiz> yes
[06:57] <sonicGB> MattDaPcWiz: adaptor/card doesn't really matter.. .they both end up on the PCI bus, both work the same way
[06:57] <MattDaPcWiz> crap
[06:57] <MattDaPcWiz> lol
[06:58] <MattDaPcWiz> im too used to xp
[06:58] <sonicGB> OK... I think I've had a marvel yukon adaptor working on gentoo somewhere...
[06:58] <Born_In_Xixax> i've heard that 6.10 lost support for some kinds of marginal network cards, mostly wireless
[06:58] <sonicGB> MattDaPcWiz: XP sees it the same way
[06:58] <MattDaPcWiz> yeh but xp recognises it
[06:58] <sonicGB> MattDaPcWiz: I came in late on this discussion... what's the actual problem you're having with it?
[06:59] <MattDaPcWiz> and xp mojority of stuff is done 4 u
[06:59] <sonicGB> (lol, 'frogzoo' what a cool mac!)
[06:59] <jakub_> MattDaPcWiz: uhm.. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=active&rls=en&hs=6ES&q=Marvell+Yukon+kernel+module&btnG=Search shows you what kernel module you need
[06:59] <MattDaPcWiz> ok lol u forget
[06:59] <sonicGB> MattDaPcWiz: I wouldn't go quite that far.... (done for you!)
[06:59] <MattDaPcWiz> i have no idea bout linux
[06:59] <MattDaPcWiz> at all
[06:59] <MattDaPcWiz> well
[06:59] <MattDaPcWiz> most thingsr sonic
[06:59] <jakub_> MattDaPcWiz: so, like i said before, roll your own kernel and install it with checkinstall
[06:59] <sonicGB> ^s/mac/nick/
[06:59] <MattDaPcWiz> man i dont know what u r saying
[07:00] <MattDaPcWiz> i know ur talkin bout parts of linux
[07:00] <MattDaPcWiz> but
[07:00] <MattDaPcWiz> i have nver used it b4
[07:00] <arrenlex> !enter | MattDaPcWiz
[07:00] <ubotu> MattDaPcWiz: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[07:00] <jakub_> MattDaPcWiz: then go use Google, honestly
[07:00] <MattDaPcWiz> and i dont know where stuff is or how to use it
[07:00] <sonicGB> jakub_: if he's just said "I have no idea about linux" then we might need to give him a *little* bit more help than "roll your own and you'll be fine dude"!!!
[07:00] <MattDaPcWiz> thank u sonic
[07:00] <sonicGB> jakub_: please go and read up on ubuntu philosphy.... please
[07:01] <jakub_> sonicGB: i don't think "i have no idea about linux" deserves any better. if you aren't willing to meet me halfway, then why bother?
[07:01] <jakub_> sonicGB: i'm more of a coder than a philosopher
[07:01] <duckfish> how do I set it so that newly created files/folders inherit the parent folder's permissions - but *only* for a certain folder? ie, in a folder with perms 765, all files/folders created in that folder will inherit the perms 765?
[07:01] <sonicGB> so you're using ubuntu 6.10 right? (I have nfi about those edgy dapper whassname words)
[07:01] <MattDaPcWiz> yes i am
[07:02] <Born_In_Xixax> which prior version of ubuntu worked for you?
[07:02] <sonicGB> ahhh... cr*p... firefox crashed again... (I'm on a mac here... first ever mac, had it for a week, and I'm still struggling!!!... gimme a minute!
[07:02] <jakub_> MattDaPcWiz: i would start by reading some sort of UNIX/UNIX-like or introduction online. get used to the environment, and when you're ready, feel free to play around with it. but ignorance really isn't an excuse
[07:02] <MattDaPcWiz> uhhhhhhh lol not sure, i got it from a magazine orginally, then decided to go for the full things today after like 2 months
[07:02] <Born_In_Xixax> could have been 6.04
[07:03] <MattDaPcWiz> look guys the point is, after today internet will not be an option for me unelss i get it working on this linux pc
[07:03] <Born_In_Xixax> you might try downloading that version
[07:03] <jakub_> MattDaPcWiz: okay, question for you then: what do you *need* linux for? i'm all for its use, but if you're a hardcore windows user, why bother installing linux if you don't want to put in the effort?
[07:04] <MattDaPcWiz> i do want to put in the effort
[07:04] <jakub_> MattDaPcWiz: honest question because i'm also all for using the best tool that you got
[07:04] <MattDaPcWiz> thats why im doing this, thats why i got onto the IRC channel
[07:04] <MattDaPcWiz> xp is far less stable
[07:04] <MattDaPcWiz> when u run servers liek i do
[07:04] <jakub_> MattDaPcWiz: not really, if you had put in the effort, my 2 second google would have been more like a 2 hour hunt for you problem
[07:05] <jakub_> MattDaPcWiz: apparently, if the card works on windows, isn't windows more stable?
[07:05] <Born_In_Xixax> easiest suggestion would be to use 6.04, otherwise you appear to be looking at obtaining and installing a custom module/driver
[07:05] <natalie> Can anybody help me with a problem... Whenever I attempt to install Ubuntu 6.06 from the live CD it freezes at the GDM... The only way that I can install 5.10 is with a stage 2 install inside of stage 1... There are very few distros of linux that I can install.... I could really use some help or be pointed in the correct direction
[07:05] <Born_In_Xixax> or otherwise dabbling in non newbie linux stuff
[07:05] <MattDaPcWiz> jakub that does not make any sense
[07:05] <jakub_> how does that not make sense?
[07:05] <jakub_> it works on windows, therefore it's already a step ahead of where you are with linux, right?
[07:06] <MattDaPcWiz> u said that if i put in MORE effort ur 2 second google would have been 2 hours for me
[07:06] <sonicGB> jakub_: PLEASE help, or stop.
[07:06] <jakub_> you can actually access the internet with windows, you can't currently with linux without compiling your own kernel
[07:06] <jakub_> sonicGB: i am helping
[07:06] <MattDaPcWiz> im using a seperate computer
[07:06] <MattDaPcWiz> my xp is a bit shall we say
[07:06] <sonicGB> MattDaPcWiz: I'm gargling for solutions here. Looks like this is a driver that existed in whatever number 'dapper' is, and dissapeared in 6.10.... I think we knew that already, right?
[07:06] <jakub_> MattDaPcWiz: okay, so then let me clarify one thing: does the card work *at all* on windows?
[07:07] <MattDaPcWiz> yes
[07:07] <jakub_> okay, so what's wrong with xp?
[07:07] <MattDaPcWiz> im trying to set up a dual boot
[07:07] <sonicGB> does #ubuntu have moderators, 'cos we need one here
[07:07] <jakedahn> hey, can anyone help me fix up my audio?
[07:07] <Born_In_Xixax> would ndiswrapper help in this situation?
[07:07] <MattDaPcWiz> xp is gr8 for gaming etc. but not always for HOSTING the gaming servers
[07:07] <jakub_> MattDaPcWiz: why though? what's *wrong* with windows? or do you want to test linux out?
[07:07] <MattDaPcWiz> im trying to test it
[07:07] <ski-worklap> Pie-rate, i think it was pjirc that crashes
[07:07] <jakub_> sonicGB: what is wrong with what i am saying?
[07:07] <MattDaPcWiz> against xp
[07:08] <ski-worklap> azureus also crashes for me after a bit of usage
[07:08] <MattDaPcWiz> when hosting servers
[07:08] <ski-worklap> and gets itself into a place where it cannot restart again without crashing
[07:08] <jakub_> MattDaPcWiz: okay, alright, up until now i thought your philosophy was that windows is just inferior even though the card works on windows, that changes everything
[07:08] <Curs0r> MattDaPcWiz, you might try colinux until you feel you have it worked out
[07:08] <MattDaPcWiz> colinux?
[07:09] <Curs0r> MattDaPcWiz, google it
[07:09] <jakub_> MattDaPcWiz: i think the best solution is still compiling a kernel and installing a debian package with checkinstall. look up compiling a kernel, checkinstall, etc. and if you still need help, i'm more than willing to help :)
[07:09] <jakub_> MattDaPcWiz: that way you don't have to reinstall any new or old version of ubuntu
[07:09] <mag_> wow mamy people again !}
[07:09] <Curs0r> I'm loving 6.10 I never had such a stable install
[07:10] <nzhomie> there was 900 last nite
[07:10] <nzhomie> cursor i agree !
[07:10] <jakub_> Curs0r: that's kind of ironic compared to what ubuntu seems to publicly state that it's supposed to be a bleeding edge distro, hehe
[07:10] <arrenlex> mag_: This is pretty low for #ubuntu.
[07:11] <mag_> arrenlex: I know, where are you froom ?
[07:11] <sonicGB> anyone know how to pull out a network driver (sky2) and replace it with the older sk98lin ? I'm not sufficiently ubuntu clued to know how to do it, but that might resolve MattDaPcWiz 's issue
[07:11] <arrenlex> mag_: ....why?
[07:11] <sonicGB> the new sky2 driver in 6.10 breaks with marvell yukon
[07:11] <Curs0r> i've got beryl running with video on 3 sides of the cube, all my windows at 90% opaque and running a 3d game and it still doesn't overwork my machine... that's art
[07:12] <mag_> arrenlex: Where are you from ?
[07:12] <mag_> arrenlex: that's my question !
[07:12] <arrenlex> Curs0r: My glxgears runs with 90fps when it's full screen. :D *dance*
[07:12] <ski-worklap> Curs0r, what sort of hardware?
[07:12] <arrenlex> mag_: Why do you ask?
[07:12] <LookTJ> Anyone familer with syslinux?
[07:12] <ski-worklap> arrenlex, how can you tell how man fps your glxgears gets?
[07:12] <Curs0r> x2 3800, 2gb pc-3200, 7800gtx
[07:12] <jakub_> sonicGB: rmmod and modprobe but you need to compile the kernel like i've said over and over
[07:12] <arrenlex> ski-worklap: glxgears -print-fps
[07:12] <miniman> YAYY
[07:12] <mag_> arrenlex: it's only a question !
[07:13] <arrenlex> Sorry, -printfps
[07:13] <arrenlex> ^ ski-worklap
[07:13] <miniman> Can anyone recommend a codec pack for mp3/videos?
[07:13] <MattDaPcWiz> wait
[07:13] <MattDaPcWiz> hold on
[07:13] <MattDaPcWiz> i have a driver from marvell
[07:13] <MattDaPcWiz> but i do not know how to install it
[07:13] <Adlai_> miniman, mplayer
[07:13] <Born_In_Xixax> is it a linux driver?
[07:13] <ski-worklap> arrenlex, it's not printing anything?
[07:13] <jakub_> MattDaPcWiz: what file format is it? is it .ko?
[07:13] <Adlai_> you don't really need codec packs
[07:13] <ski-worklap> oh wait there it goes
[07:13] <Adlai_> those are windows
[07:14] <miniman> Thank you Adlai_
[07:14] <Geoffrey2> sigh..............
[07:14] <mag_> arrenlex: becasue I'm drinking some beer and Don't I don't have someting that I can do ! lol
[07:14] <sonicGB> jakub_: compiling a kernel is a bit over the top for a n00b.... how about building a module and insmodding it?
[07:14] <MattDaPcWiz> brb lemme check
[07:14] <Adlai_> if anything install win32codecs (or similar ubuntu release)
[07:14] <mag_> :D
[07:14] <MattDaPcWiz> it came packed
[07:14] <arrenlex> Geoffrey2: Problems? =P
[07:14] <ski-worklap> hmm 40 fps, no beryl  :)
[07:14] <Adlai_> !mp3 | miniman
[07:14] <ubotu> miniman: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:14] <honda> what does "Could not resolve 'archive.cannonical.com'" mean when i update synaptic?
[07:14] <jakub_> sonicGB: okay, fine if you want to get into the symantics, he has to compile a kernel *module* happy? he still needs to grab the sources doesn't he?
[07:14] <sonicGB> MattDaPcWiz: what's the driver that you have? on a CD or something? or downloaded?
[07:14] <Born_In_Xixax> sonicGB, could he use ndiswrapper with the win drivers for his marvell yukon?
[07:14] <Curs0r> 6225 fps :D
[07:14] <Born_In_Xixax> can you not use ndiswrapper with regular ethernet adapters?
[07:14] <arrenlex> honda: It means that you need to spell "canonical" correctly in /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:15] <arrenlex> Curs0r: With glx-gears fullscreen?
[07:15] <jakub_> sonicGB: and building a .deb out of it is better practice because he'll always have a copy that *worked*
[07:15] <Adlai_> ahh, it's w32codecs here
[07:15] <sonicGB> Born_In_Xixax: maybe, but I don't think that's necessary. There are at least two different drivers for his card for Ubuntu... the one that 6.10 has by default is a bit borken
[07:15] <Curs0r> what's the fullscreen switch?
[07:15] <sonicGB> changing to the other might be enough
[07:15] <sonicGB> I've never tried ndiswrapper... used "project evil" on BSD though, that was a pretty cool bit of kit
[07:15] <Born_In_Xixax> right, but ndiswrapper might be easier :)
[07:16] <jakub_> sonicGB: ndiswrapper is a lot easier to use than ndisgen or ndiscvt on BSD
[07:16] <Curs0r> oh  crap i have no idea how to kill beryl and get the max fps lol
[07:16] <arrenlex> Curs0r: Well, _I_ was just maximising my window... but -fullscreen is a valid switch.
[07:16] <ski-worklap> Curs0r, log off and start a new non-xgl session?
[07:16] <Curs0r> kk brb
[07:16] <userundefine> or just metacity --replace
[07:16] <sonicGB> ignore jakub_
[07:16] <Curs0r> i like that one better
[07:17] <Geoffrey2> arrenlex, at this point I'm trying to decide whether I keep fighting Ubuntu, look at another distro, or just throw in the towel on the whole thing
[07:17] <MattDaPcWiz> alright im back and i have the contents of the file from MARVELL
[07:17] <jakub_> sonicGB: what's your problem?
[07:17] <arrenlex> Geoffrey2: What's wrong?
[07:17] <sonicGB> cool... let us have it MattDaPcWiz
[07:17] <arrenlex> MattDaPcWiz: I remember that driver... never could get it to compile.
[07:18] <MattDaPcWiz> it contains 4 files, install.sh, sk98lin.4, sk98lin.tar.bz2 and README
[07:18] <jakub_> MattDaPcWiz: tar jxvf sk98lin.tar.bz2
[07:18] <Born_In_Xixax> check the readme of course :)
[07:18] <Curs0r> arrenlex, 2657.754 FPS with the -fullscreen switch, no beryl
[07:18] <MattDaPcWiz> yeh duhhhhhhh lol
[07:18] <MattDaPcWiz> but it does not help
[07:19] <MattDaPcWiz> i type what it says
[07:19] <sonicGB> how does it not help Matt? what have you tried?
[07:19] <arrenlex> jakub_: For your own knowledge you can just run "tar xf sk98lin.tar.bz2" -- it's more convenient. :)
[07:19] <Born_In_Xixax> is it worth pastbin-ing?
[07:19] <MattDaPcWiz> but it says access denied
[07:19] <jakub_> the install script seems to be from autotools or something.. and the tarball might hold a generic i386 module
[07:19] <miniman> Ahem... I just installed ubuntu last night, so could someone please help me out..I'm not sure as to what MPlayer to download
[07:19] <jakub_> arrenlex: i don't think that's cross platform, better to have good practices for multiplatform use :)
[07:19] <Geoffrey2> arrenlex, well, right now everything is stable...it's a good bet tomorrow evening when I get home I'll have to reboot again.....I COULD just shut down the computer every time I leave it for a while, but then I'm not supposed to have to do that with Linux.....
[07:19] <LookTJ> i'm having trouble creating a Liveusb
[07:19] <jakub_> MattDaPcWiz: you're probably uncompressing it to a directory you don't hae access to
[07:19] <emun> hi everybody, need some help with installing canon pixma m150 multifunction printer on ubuntu 6.10, please I am anovice
[07:19] <sonicGB> Matt: try "sudo what-id-says"
[07:20] <miniman> Ahem... I just installed ubuntu last night, so could someone please help me out..I'm not sure as to what MPlayer to download
[07:20] <arrenlex> jakub_: xjf isn't cross-platform either... on the solaris machines at school I actually have to bunzip first and tar xf the resulting ball.
[07:20] <userundefine> Geoffrey2, why are you having to reboot right now
[07:20] <sonicGB> actually, I'd like to know what's in install.sh MattDaPcWiz
[07:20] <missing> arrenlex
[07:20] <Curs0r> 74477 frames in 5.0 seconds = 14895.305 FPS <-- normal sized no beryl hahahaha
[07:20] <MattDaPcWiz> sigh lol this would be SO MUCH EASIER if i was just on linux
[07:20] <LookTJ> why doesn't the command(syslinux -s /dev/sda1) work?
[07:20] <arrenlex> missing?
[07:20] <missing> arrenlex: you need to get automatix
[07:20] <MattDaPcWiz> the install.sh is huge
[07:21] <jakub_> arrenlex: ah good to know. but does solaris symlink bunzip to bunzip2? or is that another step that must be specified?
[07:21] <sonicGB> Curs0r: I hope you're talking about ethernet and not video!!! LOL
[07:21] <arrenlex> missing: Why?
[07:21] <missing> it will install everything you need for mplayer
[07:21] <arrenlex> Curs0r: What card? xD
[07:21] <missing> so u can play mp3 and dvd
[07:21] <kliptic> .motd
[07:21] <Curs0r> arrenlex, 7800gtx
[07:21] <MattDaPcWiz> brb
[07:21] <arrenlex> jakub_: I use the bunzip command... never looked into how it was arranged.
[07:21] <LookTJ> don't use automatix
[07:21] <osah> Hello i need help :(
[07:21] <arrenlex> Curs0r: ...*dumb* that is what company?
[07:21] <arrenlex> missing: I can play mp3 and dvd just fine. o_O I think you mistook me for someone.
[07:22] <Curs0r> Nvidia made the chip, MSI made the card
[07:22] <LookTJ> !automatix | missing
[07:22] <ubotu> missing: automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[07:22] <arrenlex> Curs0r: Ah. Nvidia. That explains it.
[07:22] <osah> I installed ubuntu, how do i access 'root'. It never asked me to supply a password. So what is the root password :/ There are some commands i need root for :/
[07:22] <Born_In_Xixax> !WorksForMe
[07:22] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[07:22] <missing> well i cant in no way agree with you there
[07:22] <arrenlex> Curs0r: I'm running an ATI x300 ... and I have to use the open-source driver for 3D acceleration because fglrx was coded in notepad by a blindfolded intern as part of a hazing process.
[07:22] <arrenlex> !sudo | oash
[07:22] <ubotu> oash: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[07:22] <Born_In_Xixax> lol
[07:22] <Curs0r> i got hooked on Nvidia about the time of the geforce2
[07:23] <LookTJ> but on to my question
[07:23] <Curs0r> arrenlex, time will tell if AMD can save ATI
[07:23] <arrenlex> Curs0r: My old machine had a geforce 2... I miss those days. When 3D worked. Good days.
[07:23] <missing> automatix has become a time saver and it does the same thing i would do myself like add repos and install software
[07:23] <LookTJ> when i do syslinux -s /dev/sda1
[07:23] <osah> can anyone use sudo then?
[07:23] <osah> or just my general account "osah"
[07:23] <LookTJ> it says command not found
[07:23] <Geoffrey2> userundefine, well, after the computer sits running for a period of time, I'll find that I can't get ANYTHING to load....I also won't be able to shut down normally....at least arrenlex showed me the RSEIUB shutdown method, so I don't have to just hit the power button anymore :)
[07:23] <arrenlex> missing: a) why are you telling me? and b) we don't recommend automatix here.
[07:24] <osah> can i do,  sudo passwd
[07:24] <missing> thats fine
[07:24] <osah> and add a root pw?
[07:24] <Madpilot> os390, you could, but why?
[07:24] <arrenlex> oash: You can make a root account by using "sudo passwd root". However, it's recommended to just use sudo for all commands you need to run as root.
[07:24] <Curs0r> osah better probably to do sudo /bin/bash then run passwd then exit
[07:24] <Madpilot> osah, and by default, only the first account created will have sudo
[07:25] <arrenlex> Curs0r: "sudo -i" is what you're looking for.
[07:25] <Curs0r> arrenlex, i never read the manual ;)
[07:25] <osah> thx guys :D
[07:25] <arrenlex> Curs0r: Me neither. I just hang around here and watch everyone retrain the newbies.
[07:25] <Curs0r> kinda why i'm here rofl
[07:26] <emun> need help with printer installation, any suggestions , for canon mp150
[07:26] <arrenlex> Curs0r: It's kind of hypocritical of me because I always make a root account and use su, myself, whenever I have more than one command in a row to run. But oh well. xD
[07:26] <missing> hell im the wrong network no wonder
[07:26] <Curs0r> i'm happy as a pig in s&%t with the way my system is running, i just want to help where i can and learn tricks
[07:27] <Adlai_> Curs0r, just hang out in the channel and watch people get questions answered
[07:27] <arrenlex> Curs0r: I was that way once. Then I ran apt-get upgrade one day and nothing was the same again.
[07:27] <Adlai_> I did that for a month in #gentoo and learned almost everything I know
[07:28] <Curs0r> i used to hang in #gentoo but i got bored with the achingly long builds
[07:28] <arrenlex> Curs0r: Indeed. Life is too short to run gentoo.
[07:28] <osah> Hey guys how come when i try to play a 3D game on ubuntu its lagging. I installed nvidia-drivers for it using  apt-get and i rebooted.
[07:28] <Curs0r> I like its performance but i never got this kind of stability
[07:28] <osah> how can view which driver i got installed
[07:28] <Curs0r> osah, what's your gpu?
[07:29] <MattDaPcWiz> ok one thing just ONE THING, i just need to know how to log in as root, what is the password for root?
[07:29] <sonicGB> there isn't one Matt...
[07:29] <osah> cpu is  Amd 2100,  1.7ghz,  1gig ram,  nvidia gforce 4.  on windows all games run smooth. (im trying to run dreamchess) a .deb game
[07:29] <sonicGB> use sudo
[07:29] <Madpilot> MattDaPcWiz, there isn't one by default
[07:29] <sonicGB> so "sudo <comman>"
[07:29] <Madpilot> ubotu, sudo | MattDaPcWiz
[07:29] <ubotu> MattDaPcWiz: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[07:29] <sonicGB> and it will ask for password
[07:29] <MattDaPcWiz> but i typed in nothing
[07:29] <MattDaPcWiz> and it said incorrect password
[07:30] <Madpilot> MattDaPcWiz, sudo uses the user pw you gave during install... see the URL the bot gave you
[07:30] <MattDaPcWiz> kk
[07:30] <Curs0r> osah, did you use the standard driver or the beta from... what's the repo... albertonline?
[07:30] <sonicGB> Matt: when I say there isn't one, I don't mean it's blank... I mean ... it's well, who knows
[07:30] <sonicGB> but you don't need it.
[07:30] <sonicGB> sudo runs any command as root, and it asks for your own password
[07:30] <osah> Curs0r, i used, sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[07:31] <Curs0r> osah, but you didn't add any repos first right?
[07:31] <osah> yup i didnt add anything
[07:31] <Curs0r> ok
[07:31] <osah> just found that command from forum
[07:31] <wabbit> Hi all !! I'm trying to install Xgl/Compix but find that the gnome-window-decorator command is missing. Have I missed something??
[07:31] <Curs0r> ubuntuguid.org has the info for installing the nvidia beta driver
[07:31] <arrenlex> osah: What's the output of "glxinfo | grep ender"?
[07:31] <Curs0r> ubuntuguide.org*
[07:31] <sonicGB> hmmm, it's really beginning to look like all this published ubuntu philosophy of helping, not giving people grief, etc, etc is honoured more in the breach than in actual practice!
[07:32] <osah> glxinfo | grep ender
[07:32] <doomed>  /server irc.hydrochat.net
[07:32] <Madpilot> sonicGB, how so?
[07:32] <osah> returned   direct rendering: no ,  opengl renderer string: MESA GLX Indirect
[07:33] <Geoffrey2> sigh...I say again, sigh.... :)
[07:33] <arrenlex> osah: That's why your game is lagging. =P You're not using the 3D driver.
[07:33] <osah> do you have any link, or command which would enable it
[07:33] <arrenlex> osah: What's the output of "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep iver | grep nv"?
[07:33] <sonicGB> Madpilot: I've just seen a couple of newbies get some very average advice today (as in unhelpful) and then they've wandered off frustrated and probably more lost than when they came in
[07:34] <osah> its     Driver  "nv"
[07:34] <Curs0r> osah, eureka
[07:34] <arrenlex> osah: That's your problem.
[07:34] <osah> how would i change it? :/
[07:34] <Madpilot> sonicGB, there's always a few, yeah - but most people get help, assuming they're willing to help themelves...
[07:34] <arrenlex> osah: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:34] <osah> i've been a Windows user for 8 years. Just got ubuntu today, i love it.
[07:34] <sonicGB> Madpilot: yeah, there is that! :-)
[07:35] <arrenlex> osah: Choose "nvidia"
[07:35] <arrenlex> osah: If "nvidia" is not available, you do not have that driver installed yet. You need to install it.
[07:35] <LookTJ> grr i can't install the syslinux bootloader
[07:35] <LookTJ> taylor@dapper:~$ syslinux /dev/sda1
[07:35] <LookTJ> sh: mcopy: command not found
[07:35] <LookTJ> syslinux: failed to create ldlinux.sys
[07:36] <LookTJ> Please help if you could
[07:36] <osah> nvidia is not available,  but   nv  is?
[07:36] <osah> would that be it
[07:36] <Curs0r> osah,  i installed windows vista and 2 hours later deleted all win32 code from my pc
[07:36] <arrenlex> sonicGB: It's just that people don't know how to help with some things, especially very specific things. But if we just ignore people they start yelling at us. It's hard to find a middle ground, so people give "advice" to make askers feel like they've not been shafted, but at the same time not very useful advice because they don't know much about it.
[07:36] <CoRnJuLiOx> hey, has anyone here tried out the flash player 9 beta?
[07:36] <emun> newbie here who is not getting nothing about how to install printer  canon pixma mp150
[07:36] <arrenlex> osah: You need to install it then. Press ctrl+c to exist that configuration utility; you don't need it right now.
[07:36] <arrenlex> osah: Follow this guide:
[07:36] <arrenlex> !nvidia | osah
[07:36] <ubotu> osah: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:38] <miniman> omg
[07:38] <miniman> I fucked ubuntu up D:
[07:38] <sonicGB> emun: mp150... is that a printer or a multifunction?
[07:38] <Geoffrey2> if I wanted to totally disable my wireless device so ubuntu wouldn't even look at it, what's the best way to do that...keeping in mind I might want to re-enable it down the road....
[07:38] <miniman> automatix2 fucked up my ubuntu :(
[07:38] <sonicGB> Geoffrey2: it it's a laptop, you can disable the hardware in bios?
[07:38] <arrenlex> sonicGB: For example, I don't use Gnome or synaptic, so when people ask how to, for example, configure the sound or add repositories, the only way in which I could help them would be to give them command line instructions, which are confusing and unnecessary since there's a GUI way to do it. So I stay quiet a lot of times because I don't want my help to hurt them. I imagine a lot of people have come up with weird ways to do what they want
[07:38] <sonicGB> if it's a dell laptop, you press function-f2 to turn the device on/off!
[07:38] <arrenlex> !language | miniman
[07:38] <ubotu> miniman: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:39] <miniman> kk.
[07:39] <dustrh> ha
[07:39] <miniman> brb
[07:39] <dustrh> obey the bot!
[07:39] <Curs0r> chastized by a bot lol
[07:39] <sonicGB> arrenlex: I know what you're saying. I just you just have to work on that sixth sense, figureing out what advice is right for what people, and sticking to answering the ones you can!
[07:40] <emun> sonicgb. it is a multifunction, scanner/printer/ copier
[07:40] <sonicGB> I don't see how trying to convince someone to go back to windows because his network card works there is 'helping' though!
[07:40] <sonicGB> emun: I'm digging for info, but multifunction is what I was afraid of. Those things can be tricky...
[07:41] <Curs0r> sonicGB, I see our point, that's not exactly "ubuntu help" is it?
[07:41] <Curs0r> your*
[07:41] <arrenlex> sonicGB: I had that network card, and I resorted to unscrewing my old box and stealing one of the NICs from there just so I could have internet. What kind of advice is that? xD
[07:42] <sonicGB> emun: the first advice I'm gonna give is think outside the square. in a lot of cases with printers in particular, a driver from a similar model printer will often work... so keep an eye out for solutions for other similar machines.... I'm googling at the moment....
[07:42] <emun> sonicgb thanks for trying I hope yiu can find something for me
[07:42] <Varanger> hello
[07:42] <Varanger> how can I take a snapshot of my X desktop from the console??
[07:42] <Curs0r> i only have 1 hardware issue with ubuntu, all linux really and it's kinda dumb... my backlighted keyboard uses the scroll lock key for the switch
[07:44] <sonicGB> emun: I'm finding two year old info that says your printer isn't supported with linux. That might be out of date info, but it looks like turboprint (USD$39.00 IIRC) might support it...
[07:44] <thesand> Can someone please post the link for the binarydriverhowto again? (installing ATI driver)
[07:44] <osah> Curs0r, i did follow all the steps but i return "unable to load nvidia kernel driver~ BNe sure to have installted the nvidia driver for your running kenrle,:
[07:44] <Jordan_U> !ati | thesand
[07:44] <ubotu> thesand: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:44] <sonicGB> emun: I know it's kinda useless advice after the fact, but I try to search for drivers before I buy the equipment! :-)
[07:44] <thesand> Thanks!!
[07:44] <Born_In_Xixax> emun: 2 minutes on google, turned up a forum post indicating Canon does not have linux support for the mp150 and does not plan to, as well as a link to http://www.turboprint.info/ where apparently you can buy a 3rd party driver for 39 dollars
[07:45] <osah> Jordan_U, yup thats what i followed. Didnt help :( hmh not sure what im doing wrong
[07:45] <Curs0r> osah, run lsmod | grep -i nvidia
[07:45] <Jordan_U> thesand: When in doubt always search wiki.ubuntu.com
[07:45] <osah> Curs0r, returns nothing
[07:45] <Jordan_U> osah: sudo modprobe nvidia
[07:46] <wabbit> Hi all I've just got Compiz/Xgl running but effects like cube switcher wobbly and missing even though the are invoked with no error.
[07:46] <Curs0r> Jordan_U, beat me to it lol
[07:46] <osah> returns  not loading nvidia module; not used in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:46] <Madpilot> wabbit, #ubuntu-xgl
[07:46] <wabbit> hey thanks
[07:46] <Curs0r> osah no worries, you're almost there
[07:46] <Capslock118> for anyone who knows cedega, why wont it install a game?
[07:47] <Curs0r> osah, what that means is that the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf still points to the driver "nv" instead of "nvidia"
[07:47] <emun> sonicgb, actually hsd the printer before I decided to install ubuntu, used it in windows
[07:48] <sonicGB> emun: ah, sorry... I think you said you only got ubuntu today, right? :-)
[07:48] <Curs0r> osah, you can edit that file manually or try the interface switcher again
[07:48] <osah> Curs0r, in config now i see nvidia
[07:48] <Curs0r> osah, awesome!
[07:48] <osah> now its asking me for
[07:48] <osah> PCI BUS number..  lspci  doesnt show me any,
[07:49] <Curs0r> how bout lspci -v
[07:49] <emun> born in xixax, is the no other way to get the printer to apart from having to dole out $39
[07:49] <sonicGB> emun: do you realise that you'll effectively be treating this mp150 as a bunch of kljlknlk;n (cat typing!) seperate devices (scanner, printer, etc) and that you'll be instlaling them seperately?
[07:49] <osah> it shows umm  01:00.0
[07:49] <sonicGB> hyyyyyyyyyu6667
[07:49] <sonicGB> oops, cat typing
[07:49] <Born_In_Xixax> emun, that's just what i found in 2 min on google, but it doesn't sound promising
[07:49] <osah> so would the bus be  PCI:01:00.0
[07:50] <Varanger> how can I take a snapshot of my X desktop from the console??
[07:50] <osah> or PCI:01:00:0 .. ?
[07:50] <sonicGB> emun: for the printing part, this might be useful ( a bit of a messy install, no point/click sorry)   http://mambo.kuhp.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~takushi/#canon
[07:50] <Jordan_U> Varanger: gnome-screenshot
[07:50] <Curs0r> osah, I unfortunately have not used that utility before, I usually edit my configs manually
[07:51] <sonicGB> enum: that page has some info about support for a few other mpXXX printers, so you MIGHT get lucky and get the mp150 printing for free that way
[07:51] <Curs0r> arrenlex, you still there?
[07:51] <emun> actually if I can get the pirinter to work I will be happy
[07:51] <sonicGB> emun: if you go down the turboprint route, try the demo download first, to make sure it works before you pay!
[07:52] <sonicGB> emun: actually, I suspect that the scanner part might be easier! :-)
[07:53] <Varanger> Jorgan_U: thanks
[07:53] <emun> ok I will take a look at turboprint, by the way are there  any printers that work with ubuntu without a hassle
[07:54] <Born_In_Xixax> I understand HP printers have good linux support
[07:54] <Curs0r> osah, i know it will work if you escape that utility and nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf, scroll down to the Device section, and change the driver from "nv" to "nvidia". I'm sure there are plenty of ways but that is just muscle memory to me
[07:54] <sonicGB> emun: scanning support is coming soon, looks like.... http://pixma.schewe.com/
[07:54] <arrenlex> osah: This might be a little too late, but you don't need to put a PCI bus.
[07:54] <arrenlex> osah: That is an "advanced" field.
[07:55] <Curs0r> arrenlex, ah, there you are... I was fumbling hehehe
[07:55] <sonicGB> emun: I use a samsung ML-1610... it's a little laser with usb... costs about AUD$180.00... I'm happy withh it
[07:55] <sonicGB> the samsungs work well with winders and linux, but so far I haven't got it working with mac
[07:55] <emun> thank you so much for the info
[07:56] <arrenlex> Born_In_Xixax: HP has fantastic support for Linux. The hplip package provides support for faxing, printing and scanning (and by extension, all-in-ones) while the hpiijs package is for inkjet printers only, but either way it's definitely well-supported.
[07:56] <sonicGB> emun: but like I was saying about looking for drivers for other similar machines, the samsung is a good example. I'm using the Samsung ML-1700 driver to run my ML-1610 printer!
[07:56] <sonicGB> emun: you're welcome. I hope it's of some help!
[07:56] <sorush20> how do I check what my default java is ?
[07:57] <arrenlex> emun: I am using a ppd file that I almost accidentally found on the internet to run my Lexmark laser printer -- they only provide drivers for RedHat, as if anyone still uses it.
[07:57] <Born_In_Xixax> sorush20: 'java -version'
[07:57] <sphorbis> question: i'm trying to install compiz and i installed the nvidia drivers, when i tried to restart x.org it said that the config files didnt match. any ideas?
[07:57] <sonicGB> Born_In_Xixax: I was madly trying java --version -v -V... nothing worked <slaps forehead!>
[07:58] <emun> I will consider an hp next time , by how did you go through the installation process for the samsung
[07:58] <saturnine_fei> hello, I just received my new nvidia 7950 and put it in my newly installed ubuntu system and now cannot really boot.  I am currently logged in on that system on the console, but no graphics are working. Can someone tell me where I can get some instructions for getting and installing the drivers (esp. installing)?
[07:58] <osah> Curs0r, i got it saying now  Driver: nvidia.   But   direct rendering: No  still
[07:58] <arrenlex> osah: You've restarted X, right?
[07:58] <osah> not yet
[07:58] <sonicGB> emun: the hard part was getting my head around CUPS... it's a bit wierd (but I needed it set up as a network printer that some winders machines could access)....
[07:58] <arrenlex> osah: XD.
[07:58] <osah> do i reboot whole pc
[07:58] <osah> ?
[07:59] <Born_In_Xixax> osah: log out, then back in
[07:59] <osah> or just logoff username and log back in
[07:59] <arrenlex> osah: You don't need to. Just issue "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart"
[07:59] <osah> oh ok
[07:59] <Born_In_Xixax> fancy!
[07:59] <arrenlex> ...actually, that might not restart X itself, in hindsight.
[08:00] <Curs0r> arrenlex, you forgot ctrl+alt+bksp
[08:00] <Curs0r> at gdm
[08:00] <sonicGB> emun: a lot of the little printers are more difficult 'cos they're built for winders and they rely on windows drivers to do a lot of the printing work... when you move them to another OS, nothing works. A slightly bigger printer that has its own 'brains' is a lot easier to connect to a non-windows OS, because things like HP-PCL and Postcript  are supported by everything. For example, way back in windows 3.1 days, ANY postscript printer w
[08:00] <arrenlex> Curs0r: ctrl+alt+bksp is a hard restart of the X server you can issue anywhere.
[08:00] <emun> actualy my mp150 was set up with windows on a network with a netgear print server
[08:00] <arrenlex> sonicGB: You got a little wordy and were cut off at "ANY postscript printer".
[08:00] <Curs0r> arrenlex, in my experience it's best not to do it logged in... well i haven't tried that in a long time...
[08:01] <sonicGB> emun: the easiest way out of the printing problem is to look for a non-windows printer, something that speaks a standard language like postscript or PC.... look at the side of the box.. if it says "Requires windows" then you're prolly going to have grief with it!
[08:01] <arrenlex> Curs0r: In the sense that it kills everything you have open, yeah. In the sense that it's somehow bad for your system no.
[08:01] <sonicGB> all but the smallest HP printers fit in that category.
[08:01] <sonicGB> inkjets are almost universially difficult
[08:02] <osah> ok im back
[08:02] <arrenlex> emun: The easiest way out of the printing problem is to actually look at linuxprinting.org before you start.
[08:02] <arrenlex> osah: Hiya.
[08:02] <sonicGB> brb, coffee
[08:02] <osah> i would like to thank you Curs0r  and you arrenlex  :) good job it works fine.
[08:02] <osah> :D
[08:02] <arrenlex> osah: Hurrah!
[08:02] <saturnine_fei> guess not...
[08:02] <Curs0r> osah, good to hear
[08:02] <sonicGB> arrenlex: in this case he got the printer before he got linux!
[08:02] <osah> do you recommend any website learning some basics like i have no clue what grep does... :)
[08:02] <emun> I see I am learning a lot , what is this postscript
[08:02] <osah> its my first time on linux.. been on windows since win95
[08:03] <arrenlex> sonicGB: I'm aware of that. We were in the hypothetical situation of "how to avoid the printing problem" and I pitched in for future reference.
[08:03] <arrenlex> osah: I've been on Windows since 3.1 =O
[08:03] <Curs0r> osah, hang out for a while, learn how the utilities are used by watching others
[08:03] <osah> i was wondering, when i run an application from console for example  "xchat" if i close console xchat closes. I know there is a command to make it run but i still can type other commands in console..
[08:03] <sonicGB> emun: postscript is a language, closely related to PDF in some ways actually, that was one of the first widely used printing languages. It's  a 'page description' language.. "put this text here" draw a circle that big over there, etc, etc...
[08:03] <Curs0r> arrenlex, sysedit was oh-so-useful wasn't it?
[08:04] <sonicGB> a lot of printers support it....
[08:04] <arrenlex> Curs0r: I don't know. o_o I was 8.
[08:04] <arrenlex> Curs0r: I didn't mess with the internals at that age.
[08:04] <Lunis> i'm trying to sync my sony clie to ubuntu edgy via gnome-pilot. i am running the "wizard" for gnome-pilot, and it asks for information and i fill it out, it says it will send owner data, and to press the hotsync button. I do that, and two gnome-pilot windows pop up on top, but none of them seem to detect the device. I'm using /proc/bus/usb/devices as the path to my cradle (usb). am i doing this right?
[08:04] <Tefad> Starcraftmazter: you might also want to poke in #ubuntu-server
[08:04] <Curs0r> arrenlex, haha
[08:04] <sonicGB> the same with PCL... I think PCL came from HP (ie: HP-PCL, PCL5, PCL6)... but a LOT of other printers also run a clone of that language...
[08:04] <Adlai_> osah, your window manager probably has a "run command..." function, but if you want to do it from command prompt, type in "xchat &"
[08:04] <saturnine_fei> this forum was suggested for help with ubuntu.  how does one get a question answered?
[08:04] <Born_In_Xixax> osah: you may find it nice to use 'Alt+F2' to open a 'run' command window and issue it there
[08:04] <osah> yup that was it  & sign :D
[08:04] <Curs0r> arrenlex, i had a trash-80 at that age
[08:05] <osah> :o thxs Born_In_Xixax
[08:05] <arrenlex> osah: "grep" prints the lines from a file that match a string you give it. Like, if you have a file with the lines "one","two", and "three" in it (those words on separate lines), then if you grep that file with "one" you will get one. If you grep that file with "t" you will get two and three. Understand? It filters by pattern.
[08:05] <sonicGB> emun: in either case, theprint drivers just make a big file with all the 'page description' stuff in it, and throw it at the printer via usb, paralle, ethernetc, whatever... and the printer figures it out!
[08:05] <arrenlex> osah: I just had you take your entire X config file and only print the lines that contained "nv".
[08:05] <Random_Transit> hey, this is gonna sound like an odd question, but is ubotu (the channel bot) open source??
[08:05] <osah> arrenlex, oh ic :)
[08:05] <Curs0r> osah you can always use the info tools as well if you have a question about the usage of a program
[08:05] <emun> it looks like it was some proprietary language, why dont all printers use the same language
[08:05] <Curs0r> osah, ie"info grep"
[08:06] <osah> do you guys recommend any  mp3 player that runs from console.. if any
[08:06] <sonicGB> emun: the difference between that approach and the smaller 'GDI' printers (aka "Windows Printers") is that they rely on the operating system to do almost all of the processing, and that makes it really difficult to move them to a different OS
[08:06] <arrenlex> emun: Trade secrets. Capitalism. Patenting.
[08:06] <sonicGB> arrenlex: re future info... no worries... I wasn't having a go at you :-)
[08:06] <arrenlex> osah: mplayer! ^__^
[08:06] <Born_In_Xixax> osah: mplayer runs from the console
[08:06] <Curs0r> osah, mplayer is uber1337
[08:06] <arrenlex> osah: Also, mplayer plays anything. Literally, like, I've yet to find ANY FILE mplayer can't play.
[08:07] <arrenlex> mplayerismygod.
[08:07] <osah> i was wondering there is this command " deb http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian" for example. if i type that in console it returns deb unknown command.
[08:07] <emun> thanks for the explanation , I am really impressed with this forum
[08:07] <Curs0r> osah, mplayer is also the media layer of choice for the xbox media center softmod lol
[08:07] <arrenlex> osah: What are you trying to do?
[08:07] <sonicGB> arrenlex: "cat /dev/random | mplayer" ?? :-) :-) :-)
[08:07] <michaeljustman> I was wondering if anyone here has had any experience with the ATI Radeon Xpress 200M video adapter and getting it to work with 3D exceleration?
[08:07] <osah> arrenlex just trying to download a package
[08:07] <sonicGB> u welcome enum
[08:07] <osah> alot of websites have it listed like that
[08:08] <saturnine_fei> i guess one doesn't if they aren't already known to the in-crowd ...  So much for ubuntu's friendly helpful community reputation...
[08:08] <osah> it says to add it to  /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:08] <sonicGB> saturnine_fei: there's no in-crowd that.... blast, he left
[08:08] <sonicGB> *sigh*
[08:08] <osah> and the package would install :/
[08:08] <Random_Transit> lol
[08:08] <arrenlex> osah: That's right. Open /etc/apt/sources.list in an editor and add that line to it. Then you can grab the package with apt-get.
[08:08] <osah> ooh ic
[08:08] <arrenlex> osah: Those lines are like addresses for apt. They tell it where on the internet to look for packages.
[08:09] <arrenlex> osah: If you have a .deb file sitting on your hard drive that you want to install, you use sudo dpkg -i <file.deb>
[08:09] <Random_Transit> so can anyone answer my rather unorthodox question?
[08:09] <arrenlex> osah: That translates into commands as "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list", paste that line, save, close, "sudo apt-get update", and then "sudo apt-get install <packageyouwant>"
[08:09] <sonicGB> Random_Transit: what's the question? I missed it.
[08:09] <Random_Transit> is ubotu (the channel bot) open source??
[08:10] <sonicGB> LOL
[08:10] <emun> is there a place where I can learn how to use CUPS
[08:10] <Random_Transit> told you it was an odd question
[08:10] <strabes> Random_Transit: yeah that is really random. i suspect you could get the code for it somewhere
[08:10] <strabes> ask one of the mods maybe
[08:10] <sonicGB> emun: a nice place to start with CUPS is to find a brick wall and slam your head on it a few times <GRIN> :-) it's a strange bit of code, a bit tricky.... wait...
[08:11] <Born_In_Xixax> i imagine there a jillion open source irc bots
[08:11] <Random_Transit> strabes...if only the mods were here somewhere
[08:11] <arrenlex> Random_Transit: They're all in #ubuntu-ops
[08:11] <emun> WOW are you serious is it that bad
[08:11] <gotit> jillion?? how many zeros in it
[08:11] <Random_Transit> oh yeah...
[08:11] <strabes> Random_Transit: you can call them with !mods i think but people seem to get upset
[08:11] <strabes> or !ops i mean
[08:11] <strabes> i dont remember
[08:11] <arrenlex> strabes: Please don't use !ops unless someone is abusing the channel.
[08:11] <sonicGB> emun: I'm exagerrating. Actually, it's really pretty good... it's just that the config files are a bit 'different'. :-)
[08:11] <strabes> arrenlex: yeah see that's what i thought
[08:12] <sonicGB> emun: http://www.cups.org/cups-help.html  <--- that's the official site
[08:12] <michaeljustman> does anyone know where to download the old ATI drivers (8.24.8 hopefull) precompiled?  I can't seem to compile them and my graphics card hates the newest ones.
[08:12] <Random_Transit> and i guess me just waltzing into the ops channel and asking for ubotu's code would be really odd
[08:12] <MatthewV> Random_Transit, you are looking for a blootbot
[08:12] <arrenlex> sonicGB: Isn't there some graphical utility to configure printing? KDE has kprinter so I've never even had to touch cups itself after apt-get install cupsys... everything was handled by a fantastic GUI.
[08:12] <tonyyarusso> Random_Transit: Meanwhile, ubotu is a supybot; the supybot base code is in the repos, and the entire code for ubotu itself is also available.
[08:12] <Madpilot> Random_Transit, the bot is GPL'd, the bot has a URL for it's own code available...
[08:12] <Madpilot> !bot
[08:12] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[08:12] <osah> is ubuntu 6.10  Edgy?
[08:13] <Madpilot> osah, no - 6.10 is Feist; 6.06 is Edgy
[08:13] <Curs0r> i'd say it's fairly well mannered lol
[08:13] <sonicGB> arrenlex: ah, yes... emun, I should add that I'm absolutely no expert on anything GUI-related on linux/unix... I use them as servers, I do it all on command line...
[08:13] <arrenlex> Random_Transit: naw, they're pretty good. It depends on who's there. I've asked them some stuff several times and they're really nice... it depends on who's there.
[08:13] <MatthewV> Random_Transit, sry, old ubotu was a blootbot, tonyyarusso is correct on the new ubotu
[08:13] <Curs0r> Madpilot, ummm, you sure about that?
[08:13] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: Um....you're wrong....
[08:13] <sonicGB> arrenlex: actually, once installed, CUPS is all web based.
[08:13] <arrenlex> Random_Transit: People like tonyyaruso and madpilot are fantastic... others are total jerks.
[08:13] <arrenlex> ...
[08:13] <arrenlex> Hi tony. xD
[08:13] <tonyyarusso> Hi arrenlex :)
[08:13] <Born_In_Xixax> 6.10 = Edgy EFT
[08:14] <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, gah, sorry. Is late here, can you tell?
[08:14] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: You're three hours behind me!
[08:14] <tonyyarusso> ;)
[08:14] <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, maybe, but I've been up since 0600
[08:14] <XYZmale_SMG> mesra.dak.net
[08:14] <sonicGB> what's with all the names for distros anyway? that's the one thing that REALLY confuses me about *ubuntu... I can never figure out the names... I know what 5.xx, 6.04, 6.10 means though! :-)
[08:14] <SilentDis> !beryl
[08:14] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[08:15] <refus3d> beryl rocks!!!
[08:15] <refus3d> i got it up and running
[08:15] <arrenlex> I had beryl. But it crashed a lot.
[08:15] <refus3d> arrenlex, i can see how that might be a problem it is a still a beta
[08:15] <Curs0r> arrenlex, it crashed constantly on FC6 for me, on Edgy, it's solid as a rock
[08:15] <emun> i will check out the cups official site, thanks again , another question . what commands do you use when you download something and you have to compile it
[08:16] <refus3d> ive had some minor problems so far but its cool enuff to keep it around
[08:16] <sonicGB> brb... coffee...
[08:16] <arrenlex> !compile | emun
[08:16] <ubotu> emun: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[08:17] <todger> hi there what is the biggest file i can make with ubuntu?
[08:17] <arrenlex> todger: ...what do you mean?
[08:17] <arrenlex> todger: For kicks? As big as your hard drive. o_O
[08:19] <Curs0r> has anyone established a method to use multiple wallpapers with beryl?
[08:20] <proqesi`> todger: that's a kernel question, not an ubuntu question
[08:20] <emun> thanks again,
[08:20] <todger> well you guys don't seem to no
[08:20] <Curs0r> todger, you were told already
[08:20] <Pablo> how can I make a command like "sudo pppd call 1xevdo" not leave an open terminal when executed
[08:20] <Curs0r> arrenlex> todger: For kicks?  Linux vista!!  My cat's litter tray is a lot like Vista!
[08:26] <ubotu> administrator: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[08:26] <Curs0r> refus3d, i think i'll draw my own buttons and save the $400 thank you
[08:26] <Random_Transit> in my time using ubuntu, i've seen ONE security issue pop up, and it was fixed in a matter of minutes
[08:26] <administrator> sorry
[08:26] <administrator> I am brand new to a linux chat room
[08:26] <arrenlex> Random_Transit: If you want real security, use FreeBSD or OpenBSD.
[08:26] <ski-worklap> arrenlex, you mean use openbsd
[08:26] <administrator> and this just took me strait into it.
[08:27] <arrenlex> BSD:Linux::Linux:Windows
[08:27] <ski-worklap> freebsd has gone waaaay downhill from 4.x
[08:27] <arrenlex> ski-worklap: I wouldn't know. I don't BSD.
[08:27] <Random_Transit> arrenlex, sure, but they're a pain to set up
[08:27] <refus3d> Curs0r, i didnt't exzactly spend 400 dollars on a beryl theme
[08:27] <administrator> I am using mepis
FreeBSD is dying!!!</>
[08:27] <arrenlex> xD
[08:27] <nzhomie> could someone please help me . there is no wpa_supplicant.conf in the /etc/ folde
[08:27] <arrenlex> <3 Slashdot.
[08:27] <Curs0r> refus3d, haha i thought you were speaking of windows
[08:27] <Random_Transit> FreeBSD is DEAD!! LONG LIVE OSX!!!
[08:27] <sonicGB> I converted my last FreeBSD box to gentoo about a year ago...
[08:28] <arrenlex> administrator: Okay, what's your question?
[08:28] <strabes> yeah i heard freebsd is kinda suk now
[08:28] <administrator> not sure
[08:28] <sonicGB> actually, no I think I still have one somewhere... a massive 60MHz Pentium 1....
[08:28] <arrenlex> ...
[08:28] <refus3d> i heard bsd kind of sucks
[08:28] <ski-worklap> openbsd is great
[08:28] <ski-worklap> netbsd is interesting
[08:28] <Random_Transit> refus3d, it used to be great
[08:28] <ski-worklap> freebsd was nice
[08:28] <sonicGB> I heard that people who say BSD sucks suck!
[08:28] <nzhomie> could someone please help me . there is no wpa_supplicant.conf in the /etc/ folder
[08:29] <ski-worklap> nzhomie, we heard you the first time, we dunno
[08:29] <proqesi`> I heard this is offtopic!
[08:29] <sonicGB> I really like FreeBSD. I still have a holey old FreeBSD t-shirt here somewhere, as evidence of my allegiance!
[08:29] <ski-worklap> be patient, someone will come around who does know
[08:29] <Random_Transit> nzhomie, what are you trying to do?
[08:29] <administrator> I have a great question for all of you smart people in here
[08:29] <Random_Transit> oh?
[08:29] <arrenlex> administrator: It's true. e does, in fact, equal mc^2.
[08:29] <nzhomie> its just i got no respone so i was like ok maybe they didn't see
[08:29] <arrenlex> I asked it.
[08:29] <Random_Transit> please share with the rest of the class, administrator
[08:29] <Curs0r> there are smart people in here? ^-^
[08:29] <sonicGB> it's been my universal experience that people on usenet who call themselves "administrator" are trouble! :-) Does that cross over to irc I wonder?
[08:29] <ski-worklap> Curs0r, yes, you and only you
[08:30] <nzhomie> i need to configure wpa supplicant and there is no .conf file in the etc folder and i just installed it. am i looking in the right place
[08:30] <Curs0r> ski-worklap, i would never make any such claim
[08:30] <Random_Transit> nzhomie, i would think so...possibly stuffed in a subfolder of etc
[08:30] <nzhomie> ok cheers
[08:31] <administrator> who claims to be the god of knowledge?
[08:31] <sonicGB> http://darnfineshirts.com/out.php?u=iseestupidpeople
[08:31] <arrenlex> administrator: ubotu is the god of knowledge.
[08:32] <Curs0r> love those darling little bots
[08:32] <Random_Transit> administrator, the ancient greeks claimed it was Prometheus
[08:32] <arrenlex> nzhomie: I googled for "ubuntu wpa_supplicant.conf missing" and got http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-78983.html as a result... the very last post in particular seems helpful. Does that help you?
[08:32] <Random_Transit> arrenlex, i think nzhomie went afk
[08:32] <administrator> I have some news for you
[08:32] <arrenlex> Ah.
[08:32] <nzhomie> nam im still here
[08:33] <Gizmo1> Anyone know how to set up dual monitors?
[08:33] <administrator> I AM THE GOD OF KNOWLEDGE
[08:33] <nzhomie> will look at the link now
[08:33] <yakumo> is it possible to use gaim messenger with webcam capability???
[08:33] <Curs0r> ow my freakin ears
[08:33] <arrenlex> yakumo: No.
[08:33] <nzhomie> gizmol, obviously you will need a video card with 2 outputs
[08:33] <Random_Transit> that's nice administrator....
[08:33] <administrator> hhhhhhhhhhhh
[08:33] <arrenlex> yakumo: If you're thinking of MSN specifically, amsn supports voice and video chat.
[08:33] <administrator> you like that?
[08:33] <nzhomie> yakumo, get aMSN it has webcam
[08:33] <Gizmo1> I have 2 cards (identical)
[08:33] <FirstStrike> Yea, I use amsn..works quite nicely.
[08:34] <FirstStrike> Even lets you save the webcam sessions for later viewing
[08:34] <Curs0r> was that a very long exhale? or did your cat step on your keyboard?
[08:34] <refus3d> http://img288.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beryl1wv8.png
[08:34] <arrenlex> FirstStrike: What happens if you press shift+backspace in amsn?
[08:34] <sonicGB> yakumo: I second what arrenlex says re aMSN... it's really very good. Strangely, the windows port is a bit wierd looking, but I'm using the mac one here, and ... it's good
 how about the yahoo messenger
[08:34] <FirstStrike> Nothing
[08:34] <nzhomie> gizmol, are they both installed?
[08:34] <Gizmo1> Yes
[08:34] <nzhomie> what about it ?
[08:34] <arrenlex> FirstStrike: Really. I've always gotten a \B character.
[08:34] <Random_Transit> administrator, sure...why not try shouting like that some more...someone's bound to notice eventually
[08:34] <nzhomie> have you tried connecting the two monitors one 2 each card does it work ?
[08:35] <arrenlex> refus3d: Except for the ugly panel at the bottom, that is one slick desktop.
[08:35] <nzhomie> what about yahoo messenger?
[08:35] <Random_Transit> nzhomie, i like Kopete
[08:35] <Gizmo1> No,   One works the other is full of trash
[08:35] <arrenlex> refus3d: And the menubars.
[08:35] <sonicGB> nzhomie: in kubuntu, kopete is great... not so sure about gnome sorry
[08:35] <FirstStrike> people don't really like my gnome skin, but it suits me
[08:35] <sonicGB> will kopete work on gnome/ubuntu?
[08:35] <Random_Transit> sonicGB, kopete will still work under gnome
[08:35] <refus3d> do show FirstStrike
[08:35] <administrator> Rnadom Transit: have you noticed?
[08:35] <Curs0r> I'm too ugly for a webcam, I use bitlbee lol
[08:36] <sonicGB> Random_Transit: cool... then nzhomie , check out kopete... it's pretty good..
[08:36] <nzhomie> will it work with gnome /
[08:36] <Gizmo1> ???
[08:36] <FirstStrike> http://strikethis.com/wall.jpg
[08:36] <Random_Transit> sonicGB, nzhomie, any and all KDE apps will work fine in GNOME
[08:36] <sonicGB> Curs0r: I have a great face for voice chat! :-) a great face for irc!
[08:36] <arrenlex> nzhomie: Yes.
[08:36] <Random_Transit> because apt auto installs the kde libs
[08:37] <nzhomie> wuicked
[08:37] <sonicGB> ahhh, ok, cool...
[08:37] <refus3d> FirstStrike, i dont like the stacked panels
[08:37] <arrenlex> Mine is pretty standard... but I like it.
[08:37] <arrenlex> http://arrenlex.diff.be/screenshots/5605.png
[08:37] <FirstStrike> i can't stand having one on top and one on the bottom
[08:37] <Random_Transit> yeah, actually, the KDE libs are a part of the default install for ubu since Breezy
[08:38] <FirstStrike> on every fresh install of ubuntu the first thing i do is drag the top panel to the bottom
[08:38] <Curs0r> FirstStrike, me too
[08:38] <Alakazamz0r> Anyone have any clues on this? Im stumped: http://phpfi.com/185173
[08:38] <administrator> plbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
[08:38] <Curs0r> invariably some frickin window ends up getting stuck under that top bar
[08:39] <FirstStrike> hmm..i've never had that happen.
[08:39] <refus3d> very boring arrenlex
[08:39] <Random_Transit> personally, i leave my gnome panels untouched
[08:39] <Random_Transit> more or less
[08:39] <arrenlex> refus3d: Yeah.  The host is offline.
[08:40] <Alakazamz0r> i know
[08:40] <Alakazamz0r> weird eh.
[08:40] <arrenlex> I can't use a system with dark colours... I've been trained by Windows to have white backgrounds and black text.
[08:40] <Alakazamz0r> fyrestrtr, no its not.
[08:40] <Alakazamz0r> mikeking.bounceme.net = the machine im typing from
[08:40] <sonicGB> uhm... on solaris there's an nsswitch.conf in /etc that you have to tell to use /etc/hosts for name service... does linux have a similar concept?
[08:40] <administrator> who lays claim to the goddess of all knowledge?
[08:40] <Curs0r> wo ist a good place to paste a screenie?
[08:40] <sonicGB> ignore administrator
[08:40] <fyrestrtr> Alakazamz0r: check your firewall.
[08:41] <FirstStrike> most people use imageshack if they don't have their own webspace
[08:41] <sonicGB> Alakazamz0r: what fyrestrtr said... a firewall issue? can you ping the IP from the command line... is it a 'network' problem or a name lookup problem?
[08:41] <fyrestrtr> sonicGB: cat /etc/nsswitch.conf
[08:41] <administrator> ignorance is bliss
[08:41] <tonyyarusso> !offtopic | administrator
[08:41] <ubotu> administrator: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[08:42] <Alakazamz0r> PING <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[08:42] <Alakazamz0r> --- <IP_ADDRESS> ping statistics ---
[08:42] <Alakazamz0r> 4 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 3004ms
[08:42] <Random_Transit> administrator, if you don't have something useful to contribute, try another channel
[08:42] <Gizmo1> Anyone know how to set up dual monitors?
[08:42] <Alakazamz0r> i figured it out.
[08:42] <Alakazamz0r> my route is all jacked up
[08:42] <sonicGB> fyrestrtr: I'm using a mac today... can't test it, have to ask! :-)
[08:42] <Gizmo1> Anyone know how to set up dual monitors?:'(
[08:42] <arrenlex> !xinerama | Gizmo1
[08:42] <ubotu> Gizmo1: xinerama is using multiple monitors as one big monitor. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo
[08:42] <Gizmo1> TNX
[08:42] <sonicGB> Gizmo1: we heard you, someone will answer if they know
[08:43] <administrator> what would You like to know?
[08:43] <FirstStrike> Yea, you don't have to spam the question over and over again
[08:43] <fyrestrtr> Alakazamz0r: use tracepath
[08:43] <Alakazamz0r> root@malakai:~# tracepath google.com
[08:43] <Alakazamz0r>  1:  send failed
[08:43] <Alakazamz0r>      Resume: pmtu 65535
[08:44] <Curs0r> how do i remove the hard drive icons from my desktop?
[08:44] <Curs0r> i'd like to keep them mounted of course
[08:45] <prOMiNd> hello all
[08:45] <prOMiNd> :)
[08:45] <prOMiNd> 1231
[08:45] <yakumo> does amsn support yahoo messenger user????
[08:45] <administrator> what to contribute?
[08:45] <arrenlex> yakumo: No.
[08:45] <sonicGB> yakumo: aMSN only does MSN
[08:45] <FirstStrike> ...
[08:45] <administrator> hmmmmmmmmm
[08:45] <yakumo> ok
[08:45] <administrator> this sucks
[08:46] <sonicGB> yakumo: but it does MSN so well that it's worth having two clients running to cope with MSN, plus all the otehrs
[08:46] <pr3d4t0r> Greetings.
[08:46] <arrenlex> !hi
[08:46] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu!
[08:46] <sonicGB> greetings
[08:47] <Curs0r> hello and stuff
[08:47] <screechingcat> any suggestions for a feed reader for gnome ?
[08:47] <FirstStrike> salut
[08:47] <pr3d4t0r> Q. I just finished installation of Ubuntu Dapper; I'm experienced with RH, SuSE, OS X, Solaris, and AIX.  Can someone please tell me what would be the advantage of installing/upgrading the machine to Edgy or Feisty?  Thanks in advance.
[08:47] <Random_Transit> screechingcat, do you want a news ticker style or a plain old feed reader?
[08:48] <pr3d4t0r> The machine is intended as a server, not a workstation.
[08:48] <arrenlex> pr3d4t0r: Dapper will not get new versions of software.
[08:48] <Flannel> pr3d4t0r: new versions of software
[08:48] <Flannel> pr3d4t0r: and, edgy and beyong has upstart
[08:48] <arrenlex> pr3d4t0r: If it is intended as a server, you are probably best off keeping dapper.
[08:48] <screechingcat> Random_Transit: plain old desktop app which aggregates feeds and integrates well with gnome
[08:48] <Music_Shuffle> pr3d4t0r, pure fileserver...prolly not any benefits.
[08:48] <FirstStrike> Edgy is 'bleeding edge' and has a lot of the newest software, but might be less stable than Dapper. It's also not an LTS. Feisty really isn't ready yet and is still in development.
[08:48] <Random_Transit> screechingcat, try blam
[08:48] <pr3d4t0r> Music_Shuffle: It's an httpd/qmail server + gateway for an internal DMZ network.
[08:49] <screechingcat> Random_Transit: alright thanks
[08:49] <Random_Transit> screechingcat, there are a bunch
[08:49] <proqesi> Edgy isn't bleeding edge anymore, Feisty is now
[08:49] <screechingcat> Random_Transit: so far ive used liferea and a LOT of firefox extensions
[08:49] <Music_Shuffle> Ok, I should clarify and say 'server, prolly not any real benefits that you can't do without'
[08:49] <Random_Transit> screechingcat, your best bet is to just open up synaptic and search for feed reader
[08:49] <Curs0r> oh nutty fudgkins! i just learned i am not running the smp kernel
[08:50] <screechingcat> Random_Transit: thanks for the advice. appreciated
[08:50] <arrenlex> Curs0r: Great leaping ocelots!!
[08:50] <Curs0r> what would be the easiest way to remedy that?
[08:50] <arrenlex> Curs0r: Why aren't you running -generic?
[08:50] <Random_Transit> screechingcat, not a problem dude
[08:50] <pr3d4t0r> Music_Shuffle: Cool.
[08:50] <Curs0r> i just used the default
[08:50] <arrenlex> Curs0r: What kernel do you have now?
[08:50] <Curs0r> asking grub
[08:50] <pr3d4t0r> Flannel: What is upstart?
[08:50] <arrenlex> Curs0r: uname -r =P
[08:50] <arrenlex> pr3d4t0r: A replacement for sysvinit.
[08:51] <screechingcat> pr3d4t0r: !upstart
[08:51] <arrenlex> !upstart | pr3d4t0r
[08:51] <ubotu> pr3d4t0r: Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[08:51] <pr3d4t0r> !upstart
[08:51] <ubotu> Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[08:51] <FirstStrike> i need to compile a newer kernel
[08:51] <Curs0r> 2.6.17-10-386
[08:51] <Music_Shuffle> lol.
[08:51] <pr3d4t0r> Ah.
[08:51] <arrenlex> Curs0r: ...wow. apt-get install linux-image-generic
[08:51] <arrenlex> Curs0r: Are you on dapper?
[08:51] <Curs0r> edgy
[08:51] <arrenlex> Curs0r: Yeah, run that.
[08:52] <Curs0r> linux-image-generic is already the newest version.
[08:52] <Music_Shuffle> Then you win. GAME OVER.
[08:52] <arrenlex> Curs0r: Then boot into it! xD
[08:52] <freebse> hi where in kde can I setup the monitor, it was in peripherals, but it seems like they changed it
[08:52] <Curs0r> i did...
[08:53] <arrenlex> freebse: Right-click on the desktop and go to configure desktop. Click on display. Is that what you mean?
[08:53] <pr3d4t0r> Q. I just built the server; is it a good idea to upgrade to Edgy from Dapper?  I'd like to avoid a full install.
[08:53] <pr3d4t0r> Q. If I upgrade, will upstart automagically replace /sbin/init ?
[08:53] <arrenlex> freebse: The same screen is found in kcontrol > peripherals > display
[08:53] <Curs0r> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-386 root=/dev/sdc3 ro quiet splash
[08:53] <sonicGB> freebse: it's in "System Settings" on the main menu... "monitor and display"
[08:53] <freebse> arrenlex: na it is not, I want to adjust brightnes
[08:53] <Random_Transit> pr3d4t0r, personally, i've had problems upgrading
[08:54] <sonicGB> freebse: also right-click on desktop to configure destop stuff
[08:54] <pr3d4t0r> Random_Transit: I see.
[08:54] <Random_Transit> pr3d4t0r, i tried to upgrade via the repos, and hosed my current install
[08:54] <pr3d4t0r> Random_Transit: OKi.
[08:54] <Random_Transit> i'm still using Dapper
[08:54] <pr3d4t0r> Random_Transit: So, if I try, the worst that can happen is that I'll have to move the server (again) to my workbench and do a disk installation.
[08:54] <freebse> http://www.multimedia4linux.de/coolscan/monitor_kalibrieren.html >>> this settings, but I can not find them anywhere
[08:55] <arrenlex> Curs0r: If you uname -r reports -386, you are not booted into -generic.
[08:55] <pr3d4t0r> Random_Transit: OKi, thanks for the feedback.
[08:55] <Random_Transit> pr3d4t0r, pretty much, depending on how you've partitioned things
[08:55] <Curs0r> arrenlex, so that should say kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic?
[08:55] <pr3d4t0r> Random_Transit: LVM.
[08:55] <Random_Transit> pr3d4t0r, not a problem
[08:55] <proqesi> when I try to apt-get install pptpconfig I get the error: pptpconfig: Depends: php-pcntl (>= 4.3.7) but it is not installable
[08:55] <pr3d4t0r> Random_Transit: It's almost a pristine installation.
[08:55] <sonicGB> freebse: system settings --> monitor and display --> color and gamma
[08:55] <proqesi> how do I fix this?
[08:55] <Curs0r> right, brb
[08:55] <pr3d4t0r> Random_Transit: So if I whack it there's no data loss or anything.
[08:55] <sonicGB> different interfce, but the same functionality
[08:56] <Random_Transit> pr3d4t0r, might have some minimal loss, but nothing tragic
[08:56] <proqesi> my repos are up to date, and I can't explicitly install that package
[08:56] <pr3d4t0r> Random_Transit: OKi.
[08:56] <Flannel> proqesi: er... pptpconfig isn't in any repositories.  Which 3rd party ones do you have?
[08:56] <pr3d4t0r> Random_Transit: Do you know if upstart will automagically replace /sbin/init after the upgrade?
[08:56] <freebse> sonicGB: sorry I ask dumb questions, but I am not a KDE User, I set this up for a friend, kcontrol ist System Settings ?
[08:57] <Random_Transit> pr3d4t0r, i wouldn't know, i don't use upstart...still on Dapper
[08:57] <proqesi> Flannel: the usual deb http://quozl.netrek.org/pptp/pptpconfig ./
[08:57] <dos000> is there a way i can right click in nautilus and start a terminal on the selected folder ?
[08:57] <screechingcat> pr3d4t0r: if you're still thinking about that edgy upgrade then dont.. if u want to use edgy that badly, do a clean install
[08:57] <Flannel> pr3d4t0r: it'll update all things appropriately.
[08:57] <sonicGB> freebse: no problem... I'm not highly clued with gui stuff either... I'm just getting "system settings" from the main menu....
[08:57] <screechingcat> pr3d4t0r: too many upgrade horror stories
[08:57] <proqesi> Flannel: is this package not available for AMD 64-bit?
[08:57] <pr3d4t0r> screechingcat: OKi.
[08:58] <pr3d4t0r> Flannel: :)
[08:58] <Flannel> proqesi: then you'll have to ask them where their dependencies are, as php-pcntl isn't in any official repositories either
[08:58] <pr3d4t0r> Flannel: Conflicting input.
[08:58] <proqesi> Flannel: ask who?
[08:58] <sonicGB> freebse: no, it's not kcontrol, it's actually 'systemsettings'
[08:58] <arrenlex> freebse: AH! I knew I saw it somewhere.
[08:58] <pr3d4t0r> Aw, what the hell; let's try upgrading it.  At worst I'll have to download the ISO image and start over :)
[08:58] <arrenlex> freebse: You need to install kgamma.
[08:58] <pr3d4t0r> Thanks everyone.
[08:58] <arrenlex> freebse: Then it will appear.
[08:58] <Flannel> proqesi: whoever runs that repository
[08:59] <Random_Transit> pr3d4t0r, good luck...odds are you'll need it
[08:59] <proqesi> Flannel: hmm .. ok
[08:59] <sonicGB> arrenlex: I have the gamma thing on a default kubunto 6.10 install here...
[08:59] <freebse> arrenlex: thx I think this is what is needed here, thx a lot
[08:59] <miniman> Anyone available?
[08:59] <screechingcat> pr3d4t0r: and use the official recommended update-manager -c method and nothing else
[08:59] <arrenlex> freebse: No problem. Then they will appear on Peripherals - Display -  Monitor Gamma.
[08:59] <screechingcat> miniman: !anyone
[08:59] <sonicGB> miniman: just ask your question
[08:59] <sonicGB> !anyone | miniman
[08:59] <ubotu> miniman: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[09:00] <_goofy_> how do i know if ive got 3d acceleration working
[09:00] <miniman> kk..I tried to install frostwire, and now it says that it needs to be reinsallted, but it cant find an archive for it..AndI don't know how to fix it..Any help?
[09:00] <arrenlex> _goofy_: What's the output of "glxinfo | grep ender"?
[09:00] <Flannel> !frostwire | miniman
[09:00] <ubotu> miniman: frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[09:00] <Flannel> miniman: that page should have all the info you need
[09:00] <miniman> kk Ill check it out
[09:01] <miniman> thanks
[09:01] <freebse> arrenlex: sorry it is installed and does not appear anywhere, I can set this up with gnome-control-center and xfce-settings, but KDE changes it everytime I login a kde session
[09:01] <freebse> I hate GUI spec. functions :)
[09:01] <screechingcat> miniman: why not just use LimeWire. thats open-source and free too
[09:01] <_goofy_> direct rendering: No OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[09:01] <miniman> Well I cannot install any packages until I get this fixed, it won't let me.
[09:01] <arrenlex> _goofy_: What happens if you run the "xf86gammacfg" command?
[09:01] <arrenlex> _goofy_: That's a no.
[09:01] <arrenlex> _goofy_: Sorry, that xf86gamma wasn't for you.
[09:02] <arrenlex> freebse: It was for you. What happens if you run the "xf86gammacfg" command?
[09:02] <arrenlex> _goofy_: You don't have 3D accel.
[09:02] <gummpppp> has anyone had problems accessing yahoo mail using firefox?
[09:02] <pr3d4t0r> He, he, he... let's see what happens.
[09:02] <pr3d4t0r> Installing ~300 MB now.
[09:02] <Music_Shuffle> gummpppp, not I.
[09:02] <screechingcat> arrenlex: and if that command says yes, does that mean its enabled ?
[09:02] <_goofy_> thanks...i was trying to do it from memory....i must google.....
[09:03] <arrenlex> screechingcat: If the renderer string is not "GLX indirect" then it is enabled.
[09:03] <tux> hi can any1 help?
[09:03] <arrenlex> screechingcat: Direct rendering must be "yes" for 3D to be on, but it can be "yes" without it being on.
[09:03] <sonicGB> I just went to frostwire, hit the download for the mac osx version, and got taken to paypal. what's with that
[09:03] <Music_Shuffle> !ask | tux
[09:03] <ubotu> tux: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:03] <sonicGB> !anyone | tux
[09:03] <ubotu> tux: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[09:03] <screechingcat> arrenlex: Mesa DRI Intel ?
[09:03] <gummpppp> has any one had any prolems with email program call evolution?
[09:03] <Music_Shuffle> HAH! I WIN.
[09:03] <miniman> Tux?
[09:03] <tux> how can i change the screen resolution?
[09:04] <freebse> arrenlex: ya this works, but I call this a workaround, I just want to show the guy the settings where he can set it up : http://www.multimedia4linux.de/coolscan/monitor_kalibrieren.html - nothing else :) arghh, this is driving me nuts
[09:04] <pr3d4t0r> tux: KDE or Gnome?
[09:04] <tux> gnome
[09:04] <arrenlex> screechingcat: If it's not indirect, it's accelerated. Intel's drivers are GPL so they are handled by Mesa, the 3D infrastructure.
[09:04] <tux> mine is now 640*...
[09:04] <screechingcat> arrenlex: right thanks
[09:04] <tux> im running xfce
[09:04] <arrenlex> freebse: when I installed kgamma, that exact screen appeared for me in that exact location.
[09:05] <tux> and i cant get more than that in display settings
[09:05] <Curs0r> well, that was fun
[09:05] <Music_Shuffle> tux, gnome or xfce? Not the same thing.
[09:05] <sonicGB> tux: that implies video card/driver issues I think....
[09:05] <Curs0r> i now have an smp kernel but the nvidia driver is borked lol
[09:05] <tux> sorry xfce
[09:06] <arrenlex> Curs0r: apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[09:06] <freebse> arrenlex: believe me I got it installed, apt tells me it is, and no settings... anyway I feel stupid, I gonna find it out myself, there is no point in asking more dumb GUI questions :)
[09:06] <tux> sonicGB, how to change?
[09:06] <Curs0r> says already the newest version again
[09:06] <sonicGB> tux: do you know what video card you have... do you know if the window manager knows about it?
[09:07] <arrenlex> Curs0r: and you're sure you're running -generic now? =P
[09:07] <tux> sonicGB, but i got  a resl or 800*.. earlier
[09:07] <Curs0r> arrenlex, jawohl!
[09:07] <arrenlex> Curs0r: I will for some reason assume that is a yes. Define "borked". How did X start?
[09:07] <freebse> this is why I don't use KDE, it is too much setup stuff that is rather unimportant and you can not find the usefull stuff inside all this crap :)
[09:07] <tux> sonicGB, but now some1 has changed it adn i cant revert
[09:08] <Curs0r> i changed the driver to nv
[09:08] <arrenlex> Curs0r: what happened if it was nvidia?
[09:08] <sonicGB> tux: I'm kinda guessing here... I've only got windows, os x and kde in front of me here.. no xfce sorry
[09:08] <arrenlex> Curs0r: the nvidia-glx package is installed?
[09:08] <arrenlex> freebse: Lies! That package comes installed by default in kubuntu. I love KDE precisely because it gives you the option to change everything. I LOVE customisability.
[09:08] <sonicGB> so in the display config, 640x480 is the largest option now?
[09:09] <tux> sonicGB, ysh
[09:09] <Curs0r> well that's bizzarre before modprobe wouldn't install it, now it gives me the xorg error
[09:09] <sonicGB> arrenlex: but KDE confuses the users! <grin> :-)
[09:09] <arrenlex> Curs0r: ...?
[09:09] <Curs0r> Not loading nvidia module; not used in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:09] <freebse> arrenlex: I set it up with gnome, all I needed to do is to start gnome-control-center at the start of kde and it keeps the settings :) bah, rubish workaround ... :) LOL
[09:09] <arrenlex> sonicGB: No it doesn't, because you can use it without touching a single option. But if you want to mess with it you can.
[09:09] <tux> sonicGB, but perv. the sys was havin 800*
[09:09] <sonicGB> tux: are you aware of having changed anything
[09:09] <Curs0r> guess what i'm doing now ;)
[09:10] <tux> sonicGB, no
[09:10] <sonicGB> arrenlex: I shall in future raise my hand in the air when I'm being facetious :-) :-)
[09:10] <tux> sonicGB, but i hav root access
[09:10] <arrenlex> sonicGB: ...oh. xD
[09:10] <sonicGB> haha!
[09:11] <tux> sonicGB, hi any way..? im fed up with this
[09:11] <sonicGB> tux: does this help you? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=176407
[09:11] <tux> sonicGB, thnk u
[09:12] <sonicGB> tux: no point in getting fed up with me...  I'm trying my best here!
[09:12] <sonicGB> u welcome
[09:12] <sonicGB> (but read it before you thank me, it might be garbage!!!)
[09:12] <Curs0r> modprobe nvidia returns "Error running install command"
[09:13] <sonicGB> now there's a quiet moment, I'm gonna go look in the dictionary for 'facetious' :-)
[09:13] <arrenlex> sonicGB: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=facetious
[09:13] <sonicGB> gott it, thanks :-)
[09:13] <arrenlex> ...wait, didn't YOU use that word?
[09:13] <sonicGB> and yes, it does mean what I hoped it meant!
[09:13] <sonicGB> LOL
[09:13] <arrenlex> Ah. xD
[09:13] <arrenlex> I did that on a test once with "emanicpated".
[09:13] <arrenlex> I turned out to be lucky too.
[09:14] <arrenlex> emancipated *
[09:14] <sonicGB> yeah, emancipated is a crap word... it doesn't mean what I think it means! lol
[09:14] <arrenlex> What do you think it wins?
[09:14] <sonicGB> well, it's a good work, but I thought it meant something like 'castrated' or 'eliminated', so I never used it! lol
[09:14] <arrenlex> XD!
[09:15] <sonicGB> %s/work/word/
[09:15] <Curs0r> arrenlex, any ideas?
[09:15] <arrenlex> "Flee, black slaves! You have been emancipated!" "...ow! My family jewels!"
[09:15] <sonicGB> LOL
[09:15] <Curs0r> haha
[09:15] <sonicGB> emancipate the eunuchs! :-)
[09:16] <Curs0r> sweet freedom! for whatever it's worth without yer huevos
[09:16] <sonicGB> :-)
[09:16] <Lunis> how can i stop ubuntu from fsck'ing my vfat filesystem at boot? it takes forever and i don't want/need it
[09:17] <fyrestrtr> Lunis: man tune2fs
[09:18] <firebird619> Could someone help me? I am trying to install kdenlive, but it says Depends: libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.7) but 3:3.3.6-3ubuntu3 is to be installed. It also says the same for other packages. How can I fix this?
[09:18] <arrenlex> firebird619: From the official repositories?
[09:19] <arrenlex> firebird619: I see the answer is no. You can fix it by finding an older version or compiling from source.
[09:19] <cafuego_> firebird619: Try to not install packages that are not in Ubuntu 6.10
[09:20] <sonicGB> fyrestrtr: is it as simple as making the last column in fstab = zero?
[09:20] <frogzoo> lucasvo_: set the 6th field in fstab = 0
[09:20] <sonicGB> snap
[09:20] <frogzoo> too late, he's gone
[09:20] <sonicGB> yeah
[09:20] <firebird619> arrenlex: No, A repo I got from the KDEnlive site. I tried source, but it still gives a message about needing QT. Which exact packages do I need to resolve that dependency.
[09:21] <arrenlex> firebird619: kde-devel to compile from source.
[09:21] <sonicGB> ouch!
[09:21] <firebird619> arrenlex: Thanks
[09:21] <arrenlex> firebird619: Hold on, you don't need all that.
[09:21] <arrenlex> firebird619: kdebase-dev should suffice.
[09:22] <arrenlex> Yes, that should work.
[09:22] <firebird619> arrenlex: Ok, Thank You
[09:22] <Curs0r> nvidia-glx_1.0.9631+<IP_ADDRESS>-1_i386.deb is in my /var/cache/apt/archives, should i delete that?
[09:23] <arrenlex> Curs0r: archives is where apt keeps files as a cache. It manages them automatically. The fact that a package is in cache does not mean it is installed, and it won't interfere with apt finding a newer package. You can keep it.
[09:23] <Curs0r> ok
[09:24] <Curs0r> any particular reason why that package wouldn't work for me?
[09:24] <arrenlex> Curs0r: What package?
[09:24] <Curs0r> nvidia-glx_1.0.9631+<IP_ADDRESS>-1_i386.deb
[09:24] <arrenlex> ! doesn't work
[09:24] <ubotu> Please elaborate, your question or issue may not seem clear or detailed enough for people to help you. Please give more detailed information, errors, steps, and possibly configuration files (use the !pastebin to avoid flooding the channel)
[09:24] <arrenlex> ...aw.
[09:24] <arrenlex> What happened to the "sits on IRC all day" factoid?!
[09:25] <frogzoo> arrenlex: that sux :p
[09:26] <arrenlex> (09:42:05 PM) ubotu: Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[09:26] <Curs0r> when i reinstall the nvidia package everything goes smoothly until i modprobe nvidia and i get "Error running the install command"
[09:26] <arrenlex> That's what it was :)
[09:26] <barata> hey ... anybody can sweet-talk Picasa for me? Is it supposed to be the best pic viewer in *Nix now?
[09:27] <Curs0r> i assumed you had read that when i posted it before, i did indeed elaborate, you missed it :P
[09:27] <Adlai_> barata, it's pretty good
[09:27] <barata> I get sick & tired with gthumb that seems to suffer from a memory leak and hang all the time
[09:27] <arrenlex> Curs0r: Ah, then I cannot read. Please summarise?
[09:27] <Adlai_> depends what you want to do
[09:27] <Curs0r> when i reinstall the nvidia package everything goes smoothly until i modprobe nvidia and i get "Error running the install command"
[09:28] <barata> I also hate gqview that doesnt hang so often; but doesnt allow a FULL folder browse (thumbnails)
[09:28] <barata> thanks Adlai_
[09:28] <Curs0r> the package installs fine, it gripes about xorg like normal, it just won't load the driver
[09:28] <sonicGB> from picasa.com: system requirements: System Requirements
[09:28] <sonicGB> Microsoft Windows 2000/XP
[09:28] <sonicGB> Microsoft Internet Explorer 5.0+
[09:28] <fyrestrtr> barata: try pornview
[09:28] <frogzoo> barata: find the bug & submit a patch
[09:28] <arrenlex> Curs0r: ...could you pastebin that process please?
[09:28] <fyrestrtr> sonicGB: are you looking for picasa for linux?
[09:29] <Curs0r> sure, if you could kindly define that action ^-^
[09:29] <barata> who cares about a patch frogzoo ... I just need to use it & shop around
[09:29] <sonicGB> responding to barata, fyrestrtr
[09:29] <sonicGB> is picasa available for *nix ?
[09:29] <frogzoo> sonicGB: absolument
[09:29] <barata> sonicGB: picasa is available for Linux since a long time ago
[09:29] <fyrestrtr> sonicGB: yes. I have it running here :)
[09:29] <frogzoo> sonicGB: google wrote it to run under the wine api - which was a clever move
[09:30] <Adlai_> yes it was
[09:30] <barata> that's what I dont like frogzoo
[09:30] <barata> using winshit api ... meaning using wine
[09:30] <frogzoo> barata: wine api is real linux
[09:30] <sonicGB> ahh, found it: http://picasa.google.com/linux/
[09:30] <Adlai_> fyrestrtr, haha pornview
[09:30] <barata> thats why I uninstalled it back then
[09:30] <Adlai_> dunno about that, for whatever reason gentoo doesn't support it anymore
[09:30] <barata> but now I start collecting pics ... huge-huge pics in size & volume
[09:30] <barata> all available things seem to be bad now
[09:31] <Adlai_> barata, what's bad?
[09:31] <barata> gthumb is good for a small volume pics, but for the big ones ... it seems that the code has done something wrong with the memory allocation stuffs
[09:32] <barata> I DONT KNOW ... I'm just GUESSING ... okey
[09:32] <frogzoo> curiously, there no picasa in the repos... :(
[09:32] <barata> but I know that it always hangs after grasping for memory
[09:32] <barata> picasa (I think) is proprietary
[09:32] <dope> where can i download the mac bar like thing for ubuntu?
[09:32] <arrenlex> frogzoo: It's not surprising. It's proprietary.
[09:32] <tux> hi where is the Xf86config file located?
[09:32] <zeeed> hi, can smb help me with wireless connection configuration?
[09:32] <Adlai_> dope, what wm do you use?
[09:32] <arrenlex> frogzoo: I assume it is illegal for anyone but google to distribute it.
[09:32] <dope> gnome
[09:33] <Adlai_> dunno then, sorry
[09:33] <Curs0r> !pastebin
[09:33] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:33] <arrenlex> tux: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:33] <tux> arrenlex, thnk u
[09:33] <frogzoo> arrenlex: ah, thx for that
[09:33] <Adlai_> guys talking about picasa, there's a repo I have that lets you install picasa
[09:33] <strabes> zeeed: what exactly is your problem?
[09:33] <barata> another reason is because it's still an ongoing thing that Google doesnt guarantee the maturity
[09:33] <Adlai_> hold on and I'll boot up my laptop and show you
[09:33] <zeeed> strabes: it difficult to say it in one sentence
[09:34] <strabes> zeeed: do you have network-manager-gnome installed?
[09:34] <barata> FYI, all, download picasa from here: http://picasa.google.com/linux/thanks-other.html
[09:35] <zeeed> strabes: yes, but it doesn't show any aps, but when i run iwlist ath0 scan it show 2 APs, I've aslo tried wifi-radar it show all 2 Aps, but I can connect :/
[09:35] <Curs0r> arrenlex, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37300/
[09:35] <zeeed> strabes: my network manager: http://img279.imageshack.us/img279/8113/ubuntuvu2.png
[09:36] <barata> picasa requires 76MB
[09:36] <barata> definitely not a small program for a *Nix standard
[09:36] <zeeed> strabes: strabes: and network-manager error msg: http://wklej.org/id/c9bf5383e6
[09:36] <arrenlex> Curs0r: What's with the random third-party repository? Is ubuntu not good enough?
[09:36] <barata> anyway, I'm ready to JUST USE picasa and remove gthumb/gqview
[09:37] <Adlai_> everyone talking about picasa: echo "deb http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ stable non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:37] <zeeed> strabes: any ideas?
[09:37] <ThePub> Anyone have experience setting up beryl to run under Xgl?
[09:37] <Adlai_> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install picasa
[09:37] <Curs0r> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Beta_Graphics_Driver_.28NVIDIA.29 i was just following directions
[09:37] <strabes> !ask | ThePub
[09:37] <ubotu> ThePub: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:38] <arrenlex> Curs0r: Why do you need the beta?
[09:38] <barata> Adlai_: just download, then "chmod a+x picasa*.bin" then "sh picasa*.bin" and you're done
[09:38] <strabes> zeeed: that imageshack url doesn't work. do i have to have an account to see it?
[09:38] <Curs0r> it was in the instructions for installing beryl
[09:38] <Adlai_> but it's cooler if you use the package manager =D
[09:38] <zeeed> strabes: no,  let me check
[09:38] <barata> it just takes me less than 10 minutes
[09:38] <arrenlex> Curs0r: I think you should try the tried and true drivers first and use the betas only if you need to.
[09:38] <strabes> zeeed: your wireless interface is usually eth1. is it enabled? sudo ifconfig eth1 up
[09:39] <ThePub> I love when people use the bot, but have no clue about why someone would ask a general question.
[09:39] <zeeed> strabes: url is working for my, and i don't have any account on imageshack, i don't know why you can't see it :(
[09:39] <arrenlex> ThePub: What do you mean?
[09:39] <Adlai_> ThePub, I do, but it was a bad experience and I couldn't repeat it for you
[09:40] <strabes> zeeed: sorry
[09:40] <sphorbis> question: when i try to log on, nothing happens, this is after the logong screen
[09:40] <sphorbis> logon*
[09:40] <zeeed> strabes: my ifconfig: http://wklej.org/id/b0a2ed921f
[09:40] <xipietotec> what I would like is someone to take a look at my laptop and tell me why I can only access my flicker virtual file system in "true root" (Sudo su, sudo -i)
[09:41] <xipietotec> no matter how I chown stuff or whatnot
[09:41] <zeeed> strabes: my iwconfig: http://wklej.org/id/5f817a46f0
[09:41] <frogzoo> Adlai_: thx for that
[09:41] <arrenlex> xipietotec: fstab permissions.
[09:41] <barata> the best pic viewer I think is acdc ... too bad it's only for winshit
[09:41] <arrenlex> xipietotec: If you mount in fstab, pass umask=000 in the options.
[09:41] <Adlai_> frogzoo, what
[09:42] <Adlai_> oh, picasa?
[09:42] <frogzoo> Adlai_: the picasa repo
[09:42] <Adlai_> no problem
[09:42] <untony2> how do i remove a package and all of its dependencies?
[09:42] <xipietotec> I mounted in /mnt/flickrfs using fuse
[09:42] <Adlai_> it was from a wiki somewhere
[09:42] <barata> acdc can even open up multiple pages tif files ... I wonder if picasa can
[09:42] <zeeed> strabes: wifi-radar show AP, but when I tried connect I failed :( ...
[09:42] <barata> I think this tif business has an issue with Kodak's IP
[09:42] <zeeed> strabes: why network-manager isn't working?
[09:43] <sphorbis> can someone tell me the name of a text only web browser?
[09:43] <barata> and until now I still cannot find a multi-pages-tif-files viewer
[09:43] <Adlai_> frogzoo, it came from http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy
[09:43] <Adlai_> sphorbis, links
[09:43] <Adlai_> frogzoo, I just used Trevino's sources.list
[09:43] <barata> hallo xipietotec.... nice to see you under Ubuntu
[09:44] <untony2> how do i remove a package and all of its dependencies???
[09:44] <arrenlex> untony2: How did you install it?
[09:44] <barata> normally I see you bashing in #politics
[09:44] <zeeed> strabes: any ideas?
[09:44] <barata> frogzoo too ... you can frogjump into Ubuntu ....:)
[09:44] <xipietotec> I just wish someone would make a GUI disk encryption utility for thumbdrives for linux
[09:45] <barata> what is a GUI disk encryption?
[09:45] <xipietotec> (what I really want is one that will work in both linux and windows, GUI both times, but that seems to be asking waaayyy too much)
[09:45] <barata> for encrypting the whole partition like Vista?
[09:45] <barata> sound like Xen
[09:45] <barata> have you tried that?
[09:45] <untony2> arrenlex: i installed it via apt-get and synaptic
[09:46] <untony2> arrenlex does it mayyer?
[09:46] <untony2> matter
[09:46] <Slart> xipietotec: truecrypt can't do that?
[09:46] <arrenlex> untony2: Yes, it matters.
[09:46] <barata> with Xen you can move about Lin & Win just like you move from Thunderbird to Firefox
[09:46] <arrenlex> untony2: For apt-get, when you remove a package, run apt-get autoremove to remove its dependencies.
[09:46] <untony2> arrenlex: i cant remember the installation
[09:46] <arrenlex> untony2: For aptitude, if you remove a package it will automatically remove dependencies.
[09:46] <untony2> arrenlex: what about for synaptic
[09:46] <xipietotec> Slart: ....I dunno, I haven't taken a look at truecrypt....does it have GUI?
[09:46] <barata> I dont use it myself, but that's what the Xen users told me & what I read about it
[09:46] <arrenlex> untony2: For synaptic, I don't know.
[09:46] <xipietotec> !truecrypt
[09:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about truecrypt - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:47] <Slart> xipietotec: I'm not sure.. it was a while since I tried it... at least it does on windows...
[09:47] <frogzoo> barata: linux now has encrypting file systems
[09:47] <Slart> xipietotec: http://www.truecrypt.org
[09:48] <barata> frogzoo ... I wonder why we want to be secretive?
[09:48] <frogzoo> barata: /mp3
[09:48] <barata> one need to be (1) an Al-qaeda member or (2) a CIA agent to really use that
[09:48] <UbuntuNewbie> Please help, Im testing Ubuntu for my second day! I cant log in as root (the account is activated and the password is set). "Where" do I log in from, I cant log in from the usual log in screen! ("root can't log in from this session" or something like that)
[09:48] <barata> what is /mp3?
[09:48] <Slart> barata: to make the curious work hard cracking useless stuff.. ;)
[09:49] <xipietotec> argh....they want me to use tarbells and compressed keys....why not package management...argh
[09:49] <pr3d4t0r> UbuntuNewbie: Did you create a regular user?
[09:49] <Slart> barata: the folder where you keep all your, legally bought and converted to mp3, music =)
[09:49] <barata> unless one has a criminal intent in mind then one doesnt need any encrypted stuffs
[09:49] <barata> WHAT FOR?
[09:49] <pr3d4t0r> UbuntuNewbie: If so, log on as that user, then open a terminal and from there type:  sudo bash
[09:49] <barata> unless maybe ... your horoscope happens to be a Scorpio
[09:49] <barata> :)
[09:49] <pr3d4t0r> UbuntuNewbie: Enter your password, and you'll become root.
[09:49] <UbuntuNewbie> pr3d4t0r: Yes, Im logged as a regular user!
[09:49] <frogzoo> barata: in some jurisdictions, use of libdvdcss is criminal
[09:50] <arrenlex> pr3d4t0r: The command you should be recommending is "sudo -i"
[09:50] <barata> like in where frogzoo? The Frogcountry.fr?
[09:50] <UbuntuNewbie> "sudo -i" from the terminal?
[09:50] <jareth_> arrelex: what about sudo su?
[09:51] <barata> Slart: are you in Europe?
[09:51] <Slart> barata: yes, why?
[09:51] <barata> ok, Swedia
[09:51] <arrenlex> jareth_: That's anathema as well.
[09:51] <Slart> barata: Sweden to be more precise
[09:51] <barata> no wonder you worry about government intervention
[09:51] <barata> and you feel compelled to encrypt your movies/music
[09:52] <jareth_> arrenlex: what do yu mean by that?
[09:52] <UbuntuNewbie> ah... Im root! :)
[09:52] <arrenlex> jareth_: I mean that you're not supposed to use it. Use sudo -i.
[09:52] <Curs0r> arrenlex, now the standard drivers claim that something conflicts with them
[09:52] <Slart> barata: nah.. I dont encrypt my music.. can't be arsed.. but I understand if someone would want to
[09:52] <arrenlex> Curs0r: "something" is hard to troubleshoot. =P
[09:52] <barata> anyway ... for an argument sake ... let's say you get caught and you say you borrow the DVD/CD from a local library and rip them ... is that not a strong argument?
[09:52] <Curs0r> yes it is
[09:52] <jareth_> arrenlex: i see.. was just curious about the diff's ;)
[09:52] <barata> or say you had bought the stuffs ... what can the obnoxious Euro-aparathic do?
[09:52] <xipietotec> Slart: thanks for showing me that :)
[09:53] <Slart> barata: it's been a couple of years since we last had a military coup where they shot people in the streets for having "dangerous" documents on their computers.. =)
[09:53] <Slart> xipietotec: it worked? it does disc encryption?
[09:53] <Slart> xipietotec: I just remember trying it on windows a year or so ago
[09:53] <Curs0r> how do i switch to the "advanced mode" in the default package manager?
[09:54] <arrenlex> We're past that now, thankfully.  I'll most likely be back with more newbie questions!
[09:54] <barata> AMEN ARRENLEX ... God Bless America and GPL
[09:54] <Curs0r> arrenlex, sounds a lot like the third reich doesn't it?
[09:54] <barata> FYI: GPL is "made in America"
[09:55] <Slart> Does anyone know of a irc-client that has a "find as you type" feature.. kind of like in firefox..that filters the channel text?
[09:55] <nzhomie> advanced? do you mean normal synapltic?
[09:55] <nzhomie> synaptic?
[09:55] <Curs0r> i suppose
[09:55] <arrenlex> Curs0r: No, the third reich was more the "shoot you" thing.
[09:55] <arrenlex> Curs0r: beaureaucratic corruption is a hallmark of god-given democracy. :)
[09:56] <Curs0r> it calls itself Add/Remove Applications
[09:56] <nzhomie> slart, system, administration, synaptic package manager
[09:56] <Curs0r> umm yup that's it but i just found it on the main menu
[09:56] <Slart> nzhomie: mm, I've been there.. searched.. didn't find anything nice.. I'm using gnome-xchat at the moment
[09:58] <xipietotec> Slart: it does disk encryption....not sure if its GUI on the linux end, but it is on the windows end
[09:58] <barata> hey folk, I think I would love Picasa ... it's now still catalogin my pics
[09:58] <tam> asdlfkj
[09:58] <ubun> how do you pronounce 'queue'?
[09:59] <arrenlex> Ubun: Like Q.
[09:59] <ubun> q-you or just 'q'
[09:59] <arrenlex> The letter.
[09:59] <Slart> xipietotec: nice... might have to check it out on linux too... too bad about the lack of ready made packages..
[09:59] <Pie-rate> why did the number of simultaneous keyboard presses my computer can register go down when i installed linux? is there any way to rectify this?
[09:59] <ubun> dang i been pronouncing it as 'q-u' for some reason :/
[10:00] <xipietotec> so I at least should be able to access my disks in both OS's, which is important
[10:00] <Slart> Pie-rate: hmm.. I've noticed that too... when playing some games..shout if you find anything
[10:00] <frogzoo> Pie-rate: you mean beyond ctrl,shift,alt ?
[10:00] <dope> should i run KDE
[10:00] <dope> is it better than gnome
[10:00] <Jordan_U> dope: It is subjective
[10:01] <arrenlex> !better
[10:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about better - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:01] <arrenlex> ...oh. I guess not. Sorry.
[10:01] <dope> the application menu at the bottom left is nice
[10:01] <frogzoo> dope: ubuntu is pretty much developed with gnome in mind
[10:01] <arrenlex> Thought there was one.
[10:01] <dope> oh
[10:01] <Slart> frogzoo: not only those.. other keys aswell.. when playing fps-games for example.. running, crouching, etc etc
[10:01] <arrenlex> dope: But "better" is subjective, yes. Try it if you want, you might like it.
[10:01] <Pie-rate> frogzoo: I mean for example forward+KP_0+KP_1
[10:01] <dope> i don't wanna reinstall
[10:01] <Pie-rate> KP_1 doesn't register
[10:01] <ubun> i think there is an absolute better... whichever is used by less people is better :P
[10:02] <Pie-rate> err, i mean KP_2 actually, KP_1 works
[10:03] <arrenlex> ubun: Then why aren't you on the Tandy and writing with stone tablets and walking around naked? =P
 so I at least should be able to access my disks in both OS's, which is important --> this is illogical xipiet ... if your Linux encrypted disk can even be seen from your win partition ... then what's the point of encrypting it AT ALL?
[10:04] <barata> if you can ... what makes others cannot decrypt that?
[10:04] <barata> and thus putting your effort in vain?
[10:04] <Slart> barata: you becuase you can see that it's there doesn't mean you can read the contents
[10:04] <dope> is there a way to install kubuntu with ubuntu already on it?
[10:04] <dope> install kubuntu over ubuntu?
[10:05] <Pie-rate> dope: install ubuntu, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:05] <rausb0> dope: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:05] <dope> ok cool, thx
[10:05] <arrenlex> dope: Just install kdebase.
[10:05] <barata> it's like Vista Slart ... Linux will never be able to read its decrypted content (unless one cracks it of course)
[10:05] <arrenlex> dope: kubunu-desktop installs ALL of kubuntu -- this is a lot of applications you don't need if you just want to try it out.
[10:05] <dope> i want the whole thing!
[10:05] <cyzie_> is there a fast way to fix grub problem? i got error 17
[10:05] <arrenlex> dope: kdebase includes only the basic packages you need to start using KDE. If you like it... xD Fine.
[10:05] <nzhomie> ok who needs help ?
[10:05] <barata> but then again, if Linux can understand the algorithm .. doesnt that mean the whole thing is just useless?
[10:05] <Slart> barata: but with truecrypt (which is available on both) you can use the encrypted disk from both
[10:05] <dope> whoa
[10:06] <dope> that's half a gig
[10:06] <dope> almost
[10:06] <dope> so just install kdebase?
[10:06] <Slart> barata: encryption is not about hiding secrets.. except the key
[10:06] <barata> ok ... maybe it's simply because I dont understand what trucrypt really is
[10:06] <frogzoo> !grub | cyzie_
[10:06] <ubotu> cyzie_: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[10:06] <arrenlex> dope: kdebase will set you up with what you need to run KDE itself. It doesn't include all the fancy programs.
[10:06] <Pie-rate> !kubuntu-desktop
[10:06] <ubotu> k/ed/x/ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage. It depends upon other packages and brings them in; you can safely remove it, but it is recommended that you re-install it when upgrading.
[10:06] <frogzoo> cyzie_: error 17 means grub can't find your root fs
[10:07] <dope> will it look like kubuntu with the start button in the bottom left?
[10:07] <Slart> barata: it's a program that encrypts a hard drive.. if you want to use it you have to input a password.. no password. no files...
[10:07] <arrenlex> dope: I don't believe kubuntu has that start button. That is a SuSE thing.
[10:08] <barata> uboty & cyzie_: use a live cd disc ... then chroot into your linux partition ... reactivate the grub again ... then reboot
[10:08] <Slart> barata: it's using well known encryption methods that you can read about in any book.. the strength of the encryption doesn't rely on the method being secret (which is usually bad)
[10:08] <cyzie_> frogzoo, thanks for the info. but how i actually fix it? i have check /boot/grub/menu.lst and it seem correct
[10:08] <dope> http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/original/Kubuntu%206.10/5.gif
[10:08] <Pie-rate> i like gnome, it works great and doesnt have stupid bouncing icons...  I know you can remove them but I hate the KDE developers for putting them in in the first place
[10:08] <bradley> how would i see/watch the load on my video memory?  there some sort of app?
[10:08] <cyzie_> barata, ? chroot partition ?
[10:08] <arrenlex> dope: But it will look exactly the same, the only difference will be that you don't get all the programs that come with the whole desktop (text editors, calculators, etc.)
[10:08] <arrenlex> (,games, screensavers...)
[10:08] <barata> you lose your grub, right? yes cyzie_
[10:08] <dope> ah hell
[10:08] <Adlai_> dpi/dt, don't hate
[10:08] <cyzie_> barata, apparently.. :( how do i fix it ?
[10:08] <rausb0> Pie-rate: you mean the start notification in kde?
[10:09] <Pie-rate> rausb0: yes
[10:09] <dope> i bet i just fubared my system
[10:09] <rausb0> Pie-rate: yeah, i always turn that off
[10:09] <Pie-rate> dope: what'd you do?
[10:09] <dope> installed kdebase
[10:09] <Curs0r> ok, i got it... that was involved... lol
[10:09] <barata> cyzie_: use a livecd like Ubuntu's ... boot it ... then chroot into your linux partition (you know how to, right); once there, reactivate grub (read the howto)
[10:09] <arrenlex> Curs0r: Is it working? :O
[10:09] <rausb0> Pie-rate: but usually i dont work with kde anyway
[10:10] <Pie-rate> dope: how would that fubar your system? you can always just remove it
[10:10] <dope> i hope so
[10:10] <Pie-rate> apt-get remove kdebase will remove it
[10:10] <arrenlex> Pie-rate: No it won't; it's a metapackage.
[10:10] <dope> will grub be ok if i do that
[10:10] <Pie-rate> arrenlex: oh. meh, how do you get rid of it then?
[10:10] <barata> Slart: that argument that the 'best encryption is the most open encryption" is interesting ... I'll read it more next time
[10:10] <frogzoo> Pie-rate: installing kde can screw up your menus
[10:11] <Badkitty> Does anyone know of a goo photoshop irc channel?
[10:11] <dope> i mean gnome
[10:11] <arrenlex> Pie-rate: By using apt-get autoremove
[10:11] <arrenlex> dope: You can choose which desktop to use in your display manager (GDM).
[10:11] <dope> hmm