[15:01] <sps_br> anyone here having problems with sounds? "Alerts an Sound Effects" dont work at all
[15:01] <theBishop> I'm also finding Firefox unacceptably buggy.  Here's the most recent crash report: http://pastebin.com/m5518268a
 thats why i hate firefox :D
[15:01] <felix> BUGabundo: seems theres no java in the list
[15:02] <BUGabundo> ahhh felix... try to reinstall it then
[15:02] <BUGabundo> don't say that definitely... FF is so gud for us all.
[15:02] <felix> what is the correct packages?
[15:02] <felix> i innstalled sun java 6
[15:02] <BUGabundo> not sure
[15:02] <BUGabundo> maybe wgrant can help ?
[15:02] <theBishop> BUGabundo, here's a description of my font problem (with screenshots) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=950640
[15:03] <BUGabundo_work> definitely: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/258742
 Opera never lied me like that. I was fcuking up for 2 days, and just now i know about that
[15:03] <definitely> :D
[15:03] <definitely> wow
[15:04] <definitely> There is no skype for My architecture ?
[15:04] <definitely> How i am supposed to run skype on intrepid ibex AMD64
[15:04] <BUGabundo_work> medibuntu reps
[15:05] <BUGabundo_work> it works. I have it
[15:05] <BUGabundo_work> http://www.medibuntu.org/
[15:05] <dfgas> how stable is 8.10 now?
[15:05] <TuniX12> not stable yet :p
[15:06] <dfgas> when is the first rc out?
[15:06] <definitely> W: GPG error: http://packages.medibuntu.org intrepid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 2EBC26B60C5A2783
[15:06] <BUGabundo_work> !stable
[15:06] <felix> can i innstall ia32-sun-java6-bin on a 64 bit innstalation?
[15:06] <definitely> aaa
[15:06] <definitely> i frgot to add key
[15:06] <BUGabundo_work> duh definitely.. .maybe you should take another coffee cup ?
[15:07] <definitely> yeah The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[15:07] <definitely>   skype: Depends: skype-common (= <IP_ADDRESS>-0medibuntu3) but it is not going to be installed
[15:07] <definitely> E: Broken packages
[15:07] <BUGabundo> definitely: sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade ?
[15:07] <theBishop> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5999825 -- please take a look at this
[15:07] <definitely> BUGabundo: but why sudo apt-get upgrade
[15:07] <definitely>  ?
[15:08] <BUGabundo_work> so packages get up to date ?
[15:08] <definitely> ok
[15:08] <sps_br> anyone here having problems with sounds? "Alerts an Sound Effects" dont work at all
[15:14] <gaelfx> ok, I realize this is horribly vague and a question no one probably feels comfortable answering definitively, so I won't ask for a definitive answer, but if I did a fresh install of Hardy, should the upgrade remove around 18 packages? or is that abnormally large?
[15:15] <BUGabundo_work> humm gaelfx
[15:15] <BUGabundo_work> parcial upgrade ?
[15:16] <charlie-tca> gaelfx: mine removed about 147
[15:18] <TychoQuad> anyone know how to clear my old nm-applett settings so i can create new ones in ibex?
[15:19] <demontager> how to start terminal in current folder, I have installed nautilus-open-terminal but not work?
[15:20] <BUGabundo_work> demontager: humm if it is installed just right click
[15:20] <BUGabundo_work> inside a folder and there should be an option to open a terminal
[15:21] <BUGabundo_work> you need to restart your session or at least kill all nautilus for it to work, demontager
[15:21] <demontager> yes i know in hardy works
[15:21] <BUGabundo_work> TychoQuad: humm maybe by deleting its conf on your account?
[15:21] <BUGabundo_work> or you can apt-get remove --purge network-manager
[15:22] <BUGabundo_work> and then install it again
[15:22] <TychoQuad> thanks
[15:22] <demontager> ok, i'll try restart system..
[15:23] <BUGabundo_work> no need
[15:23] <BUGabundo_work> just restart your session
[15:23] <BUGabundo_work> logout and login again
 When final intrepid will be out, i will not need to download any iso ? I will be able to upgrade from system wich i am using at yes ?
[15:23] <demontager> ok, thanks
[15:23] <BUGabundo_work> upgrades will make you have FINAL version
[15:24] <definitely> ok :)
[15:24] <BUGabundo_work> and you can use rsync to download the changes you need to the ISO
[15:24] <BUGabundo_work> so you don't need to download it all over again
[15:24] <BUGabundo_work> here is my script https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BUGabundo/ISORsync
[15:25] <definitely> thnx, will have in mind
[15:25] <definitely> :)
[15:25] <demontager> it's working, good
[15:25] <BUGabundo_work> nice demontager
[15:25] <gaelfx> if you can read this, please say something :S (sorry, having connection issues and not sure if my net is really working)
[15:26] <demontager> is it possible to bind keyboard key for this?
[15:26] <NET||abuse> hi guys, anyone know a good download manage for linux, something with multi connection downloads, resumable even between system boots,
[15:26] <BUGabundo_work> its coming trough gaelfx
[15:26] <gaelfx> thanks
[15:26] <BUGabundo_work> demontager: system->keyboard shortcut
[15:26] <BUGabundo_work> NET||abuse: wget ?? lol
[15:26] <BUGabundo_work> try d4x its FOSS
[15:27] <BUGabundo_work> flashget all works nice over wine
[15:27] <NET||abuse> BUGabundo_work: d4x yeh i looked at that before, but it wasn't very good,,, was a while back. give it a shot so
[15:27] <TuniX12> NET||abuse: X downloader
[15:27] <BUGabundo_work> any one here willing to let me test https://launchpad.net/remote-help-assistant on your pc ?
[15:28] <TuniX12> :P
[15:28] <BUGabundo_work> its a remote helper script!
[15:28] <BUGabundo_work> any voluteers?
[15:28] <BUGabundo_work> I promise I won't damage (much) your system
[15:28] <BUGabundo_work> kidding
[15:29] <BUGabundo_work> will you help TuniX12?
[15:29] <BUGabundo_work> NET||abuse:  you maybe ?
[15:29] <TuniX12> you cant :P
[15:29] <BUGabundo_work> no ?
[15:29] <BUGabundo_work>  why?
[15:33] <Guest14120> hello
[15:33] <Guest14120> help me plz
[15:34] <Guest14120> i have to install new ubuntu version
[15:34] <Guest14120> and i want to keep my programs sources to notto download them again
[15:34] <Guest14120> how to do that ?
[15:34] <Guest14120> sry new install
[15:35] <NET||abuse> backup?
[15:35] <Guest14120> i use 8.04 and have problems with it
[15:35] <Guest14120> i just need to get sources of programms that i downloaded
[15:35] <NET||abuse> sources?
[15:35] <Guest14120> so when i install new version not to download them again
[15:35] <NET||abuse> like the source code? or the download locations?
[15:36] <NET||abuse> or the deb files
[15:36] <Guest14120> when i download programs from terminal
[15:36] <kniolet> using apt-get?
[15:36] <Guest14120> it put files on aplace and install them
[15:36] <BUGabundo_work> Guest14120: all downloaded packages via APT are kept on /var/apt/archive
[15:36] <Guest14120> yeah
[15:36] <NET||abuse> Guest14120: i guess you could just backup the dir BUGabundo_work mentioned
[15:36] <BUGabundo_work> you can transfer them to another PC and install them again
[15:36] <Guest14120> yeah
[15:37] <Guest14120> so  so in /var/apt/archieve
[15:37] <NET||abuse> BUGabundo_work: it's var/cache/apt
[15:37] <BUGabundo_work> or that NET||abuse
[15:37] <Guest14120> sources and i can transfer them and install them again ?
[15:37] <BUGabundo_work> tallking from head! and I'm a bit tired
[15:37] <NET||abuse> BUGabundo_work: :)
[15:37] <BUGabundo_work> those debs are NOT sources
[15:37] <BUGabundo_work> sources are a totally diferent thing
[15:37] <NET||abuse> BUGabundo_work: yeh I just checked in term
[15:38] <Guest14120> i dont know what is happened to my ubuntu
[15:38] <NET||abuse> BUGabundo_work: he/she now refered to as IT installed in terminal so i'm presuming IT didn't download them
[15:38] <Guest14120> sometimes it freeze and have to turn off power
[15:38] <NET||abuse> I mean, IT didn't download sources and compile them.
[15:38] <Guest14120> is there is anyway to get system back with no new install ?
[15:39] <gaelfx> according to system monitor, my CPU is running at 100%, but I cannot find any process that is using more than 2% CPU, how do I find what's eating up my CPU?
[15:39] <NET||abuse> Guest14120: I'm really not sure, you will have to tell us more clearly what your situation is?
[15:39] <NET||abuse> Guest14120: also, choose a nick name here so we can identify you more easily
[15:39] <BUGabundo_work> gaelfx: Firefox
[15:39] <BUGabundo_work> just happened to me TWICE today
[15:39] <Guest14120> sorry im in windwos irc and dont know much on it
[15:40] <samuel> Anyone with knowledge about how tablets are working in Intrepid with apparently no configuration in xorg.conf around?
[15:40] <NET||abuse> Guest14120: just type /nick myname
[15:40] <BUGabundo_work> just type /nick YOURNICK Guest14120
[15:40] <gaelfx> sheesh, that's no fun man, thanks though :D
[15:40] <NET||abuse> but use a nickname
[15:40] <BUGabundo_work> samuel: visit #ubuntu-mobile and ask there
[15:40] <kebo> ok
[15:40] <BUGabundo_work> samuel: make sure you mention your laptop specs and Ubuntu version using
[15:40] <NET||abuse> ok,
[15:40] <kebo> i changed it
[15:40] <NET||abuse> kebo: so what you should tell us is the whole story
[15:40] <samuel> BUGabundo_work: thanks - does it matter this isn't a tablet PC but a graphics tablet?
[15:41] <BUGabundo_work> not to me! but to ogra and Co it might
[15:41] <kebo> there is no file called apt in var
[15:41] <NET||abuse> kebo: you have a hardy install now? or you had one?
[15:41] <BUGabundo_work> its not a file
[15:41] <NET||abuse> kebo: yes, I siad above, it's /var/cache/apt/archives
[15:41] <BUGabundo_work> its a DIR
[15:42] <kebo> yeah
[15:42] <NET||abuse> kebo: where are you from, I don't mean any offence by it, but i get a sence that your not an english speaker natively?
[15:42] <kebo> thATS IT
[15:42] <kebo> but
[15:42] <kebo> how to install all of these programs at once again '
[15:43] <kebo> i cant install every program by each time
[15:43] <kebo> yeah
[15:43] <NET||abuse> kebo: the problem is a large majority of the programs will have been updated between hardy and ibex, and so most will get re-downloaded with new versions anyway
[15:43] <kebo> im from egypt
[15:43] <NET||abuse> very nice, always wanted to go to ciaro
[15:43] <NET||abuse> cairo
[15:43] <NET||abuse> anyway..
[15:43] <kebo> nice , im in cairo now :D
[15:44] <NET||abuse> for the most part you should be able to do an inplace upgrade
[15:44] <NET||abuse> are you still on hardy right now?
[15:44] <NET||abuse> or have you updated to ibex already?
[15:44] <kebo> no
[15:44] <kebo> in hardy
[15:45] <NET||abuse> If you have not already updated, I would hang on until ibex is released officially.
[15:45] <kebo> feel something wrong with kernel
[15:45] <samuel> Also - has anyone encountered GDM just stopping working!? It starts but won't actually let me log in. Xdm works fine. User Switcher app crashes on login
[15:45] <kebo> my main  problem that im not at home and have weak internet connection and i cant install all of these programs again cuz of week connection and i dont remember all of them
[15:45] <NET||abuse> kebo: whne ibex is release some time in the next week or something, your hardy system will pop up a message telling you an update is available.
[15:45] <samuel> GDM lets me type username, password but then after pressing 'enter' when entering password it resets to entering username...
[15:45] <kebo> yeah
[15:46] <kebo> but my hard now freeze and no solution for it untill i power off power
[15:46] <kebo> and sometime it dont boot and give me alot of texts
[15:46] <NET||abuse> hmm, then if your internet connectino is a problem, I would get an IBEX cd and run an inplace update from the cd.?
[15:46] <NET||abuse> i think this is possible.
[15:46] <kebo> does ibex released ?
[15:46] <NET||abuse> kebo: hmm, well rather than updating, i would suggest you debug the errors more before
[15:47] <kebo> i see it is still beta
[15:47] <NET||abuse> kebo: next week i think
[15:47] <kebo> how to know errors , i feel problem in kernel
[15:47] <NET||abuse> 10 days to go for ibex release it says on the site
[15:47] <kebo> can i keep home  and install ubuntu 8.04 again
[15:48] <NET||abuse> kebo: yes, absolutely.
[15:48] <BUGabundo_work> kebo: NET||abuse 30/10/2008
[15:48] <BUGabundo_work> kebo: you need to check your logs on /var/logs
[15:48] <kebo> how
[15:48] <NET||abuse> kebo: you can save your /home/ dir to an external drive,
[15:48] <kebo> i just need to install ubuntu system
[15:48] <NET||abuse> kebo: tail /var/log/messages
[15:48] <NET||abuse> or dmesg
[15:48] <NET||abuse> or boot.log
[15:48] <kebo> mean copy home folder ?
[15:49] <NET||abuse> yeh, copy the home folder
[15:49] <NET||abuse> it's always a good idea
[15:49] <kebo> aha nice
[15:49] <NET||abuse> i install my systems with usual, boot, swap and root / partition but seperate /home/ parition, i've not had a different home part for 3 releases now.
[15:50] <NET||abuse> had this home partition since gutsy
[15:50] <NET||abuse> anwyay,, i have to go back to work.
[15:50] <kebo> aha
[15:50] <kebo> ok
[15:50] <kebo> but home folder is 214 mb ?
[15:50] <kebo> and this is strange
[15:51] <NET||abuse> kebo: good luck :) solve your problems with the boot up before trying to update to ibex
[15:51] <NET||abuse> 214MB, not very big no
[15:51] <kebo> cuz i have alot of programs on it
[15:51] <NET||abuse> mine's 25GB
[15:51] <kebo> i mean it must be very big
[15:51] <BUGabundo_work> kebo: programs aren't on HOME
[15:51] <kebo> yeah
[15:51] <BUGabundo_work> progs are on /bin
[15:51] <kebo> aha
[15:51] <NET||abuse> progs on /bin/  logs on /var/  config files in /etc/
[15:52] <kebo> so which fiels not to copy in home folder
[15:52] <BUGabundo_work> what do you need exactly?
[15:53] <kebo> i want to install ubuntu again
[15:53] <kebo> and keep programs in archieve to not to download them again
[15:53] <NET||abuse> the /home/kebo/   dir is just a place for your personal files(office documents, pictures etc..) and personalized configurations for your desktop or other applications.
[15:53] <kebo> and my settings
[15:53] <kebo> ok
[15:53] <NET||abuse> kebo: you could do with running apt-cache
[15:53] <kebo> so copy home
[15:53] <kebo> and archieve
[15:53] <kebo> only ?
[15:54] <NET||abuse> well, copy archive but it will likely not do a huge amount to save bandwidth, as you will almost certainly end up downloaded updated versions of most things as they are re-packaged for ibex
[15:54] <BUGabundo_work> kebo: dpkg -l will show all instaled progs
[15:54] <BUGabundo_work> just export it and reinstall them latter if need be
[15:54] <kebo> ok
[15:54] <kebo> after i copy them
[15:54] <BUGabundo_work> if you keep /var/cache/apt all debs should be there
[15:54] <NET||abuse> kebo: yeh, do dpkg -l > /home/kebo/Desktop/installed.txt
[15:54] <kebo> and instal new ubuntu
[15:55] <frybye> re: I have been able to install skype again after a part. upgrade seemed to delete it - but it does not find my default sound setting asla.. any tips?? here 64bit with 32bit libs installed..
[15:55] <kebo> how to install all archieve programs again at once ?
[15:55] <BUGabundo_work> dpkg -I /var/cache/apt/archive/* would work
[15:55] <BUGabundo_work> but it would be a mess!
[15:55] <kebo> why
[15:55] <NET||abuse> kebo: your over simplifying it all a bit, you likely won't want to re-install all those
[15:56] <kebo> aha
[15:56] <kebo> ok
[15:56] <NET||abuse> kebo: example, the new ubuntu, Ibex, will have moreup to date versions of most applications.
[15:56] <kebo> i dont mean by new ubuntu  ibex
[15:56] <NET||abuse> so it will not even need half of what's in /var/cache/apt/archive/
[15:56] <kebo> i  mean install ubuntu 8.04 again
[15:57] <kebo> reinstall
[15:57] <NET||abuse> ohhhhh
[15:57] <kebo> i have problem with its kernel
[15:57] <NET||abuse> shoot, didn't think of that, your in the wrong room here nayway
[15:57] <kebo> ok
[15:57] <kebo> im sorry
[15:57] <NET||abuse> kebo: go into #ubuntu and have this conversation
[15:58] <kebo> but i need help and dont know how to go to ubuntu room cuz im in windows
[15:58] <kebo> ok
[15:58] <frybye> hi BUGabundo_work- see my stuff about skype - got it installed again but now it is not able to find audio settings somehow...?? any tips...
[15:58] <kebo> anyway all of wut u said would help me in wut i want to do , right ?
[15:58] <gilster> hello all....i use kompozer and after some recent updates i am getting constant crashes in this program any ideas?
[15:59] <BUGabundo_work> frybye: what sound deviuce do you have? pulseaudio or alsa?
[15:59] <NET||abuse> kebo: go into #ubuntu, i'm there too.
[15:59] <frybye> I have set the system|settings|audio to alsa for audio conference - is that right...
[15:59] <frybye> hitting the -test- in there gives the sound..
[16:00] <DJones> Are there any known issues with Flash 10 in Intrepid? My wife plays a game called Yoville on facebook and on the intrepid machine, it won't play.  On windows it works fine using the equivalent version of Flash 10 Beta (same version numbers) and on Hardy it works fine with Flash 9.  On INtrepid it just sticks at the initial screen and doesn't let you connect to the server
[16:01] <frybye> BUGabundo_work:  i have switched it to autodetect and that gives a sound also...
[16:02] <frybye> BUGabundo_work: but in the skype options/audio-device even the "test sound" is greyed out...
[16:03] <frybye> BUG - there is a command to show all the audio settings for the command line - but i cant remember it??
[16:03] <BUGabundo_work> alsamixer ?
[16:03] <frybye> ok - hang on...
[16:04] <frybye> it has only one single slider.. wow...
[16:04] <frybye> hmm trying to remember how to use that alsamixer thing... hmmmm
[16:04] <BUGabundo_work> humm you have the wrong audio device
[16:05] <frybye> it says card pulse autio - chip pulse audio etc..
[16:05] <frybye> so what should i do...??
[16:06] <frybye> i have gone to system/settings/audio and changed all to pulse audio server except the mike which is a usb thingy...
[16:06] <frybye> a logitech webcam where the webcam as such dont work in intrepid but up till now the built-in mike has worked..
[16:06] <BUGabundo_work> frybye: what other opionts are there on sound settings?
[16:07] <definitely> BUGabundo: What is uvesab for ?
[16:07] <frybye> where you mean - in the os gui or in the alsamixer thing...
[16:07] <mustakimnajib> why still not supported my webcam? I think my 13 month webcam just only compatible with mac
[16:07] <frybye> i cant remember how to change anything ine alsamixer..
[16:07] <BUGabundo_work> on the Device thingy?
[16:07] <frybye> cant somehow select anything...
[16:08] <BUGabundo_work> GUI frybye
[16:08] <frybye> right I have loads of options int here and have changed them all to pulseserver except the mike...
[16:09] <BUGabundo_work> don't you have an HAD Intel Alsa Mixer or similar?
[16:09] <BUGabundo_work> on the Default Mixer Tracks
[16:09] <BUGabundo_work> brb wc
[16:09] <frybye> it is an onboard nvidia chip...
[16:10] <BUGabundo_work> back
[16:10] <BUGabundo_work> ok
[16:11] <BUGabundo_work> and does that option work?
[16:12] <frybye> that is not one option it is loads of different variations...
[16:12] <BUGabundo_work> eheh
[16:13] <BUGabundo_work> mine works fine with alsa mixer
[16:14] <frybye> hang on i need to figure out how to use the alsa mixer.. just a min i look in google..
[16:18] <frybye> BUGabundo_work: not sure what did it - but it just started working heheh
[16:18] <frybye> thanks for your help BUGabundo_work
[16:19] <BenHoltz> Hey guys.  How do I make compiz run at startup?
[16:22] <BenHoltz> anyone?
[16:23] <jimmysparkle> /join #ubuntu
[16:23] <jimmysparkle> wow
[16:23] <jimmysparkle> why did it say that?!
[16:24]  * jimmysparkle ponders
[16:24] <jimmysparkle> why does the /join not work in empathy?
[16:24] <BUGabundo_work> BenHoltz: check your gnome sessions
[16:25] <BUGabundo_work> for vm-start
[16:25] <BUGabundo_work> or what name it has now
[16:27] <definitely> BUGabundo_worl: still the same problem with skype
[16:27] <BenHoltz> BUGabundo_work: I'm not sure what to do in the gnome sessions?
[16:27] <BUGabundo_work> let me check mine
[16:28] <BUGabundo_work> BenHoltz: do you have an entrie called Windom Manager?
[16:28] <BUGabundo_work> it should start gnome-wm
[16:29] <lrbabe> ello everybody, I just tried to install 8.10, after successfully installing it to my hardrive, I have run an update using the update ma,ager and it get stuck at the end of the update process on those command: suppressing linux-headers-....
[16:29] <BUGabundo_work> that's a first lrbabe
[16:30] <BenHoltz> BUGabundo_work: Yes I do
[16:31] <lrbabe> supressing linux-headers-2.6.27-4-generic        supressing linux-headers-2.6.27-4-generic
[16:31] <lrbabe> no, the second one is not generic : )
[16:31] <BUGabundo_work> is it selected BenHoltz?
[16:31] <BUGabundo_work> lrbabe: humm close update-manager
[16:31] <BenHoltz> BUGabundo_work: yes, and it has gonem-wm as the command
[16:32] <BenHoltz> gnome*
[16:32] <BUGabundo_work> and from a CLI kill all apt
[16:32] <BUGabundo_work> sudo pkill apt
[16:32] <BUGabundo_work> then try a sudo dpkg --configure -a
[16:32] <lrbabe> Is it safe : /
[16:33]  * BenHoltz thinks its as safe as driving in Los Angeles
[16:33] <BenHoltz> lrbabe: you should be ok with that command
[16:33] <lrbabe> 'm sorry, never been to LA
[16:33] <BenHoltz> :)
[16:33] <lrbabe> ok, I'll try : )
[16:35] <BUGabundo_work> me neither... lol
[16:35] <definitely> BUGabundo: so how can i fix with skype ?
[16:35] <BUGabundo_work> it seems BenHoltz is inviting us to stay in his place over the weekend!
[16:35] <BUGabundo_work> don't know
[16:35] <BUGabundo_work> what's wrong with it '?
[16:35] <definitely> still cant install
[16:35] <definitely> same error
[16:35]  * BenHoltz has a big place... but doesn't know about these "strangers"  hahaha
[16:35] <definitely> broken packages. bla bla bla
[16:36] <defrysk> skype is a mess
[16:36] <peterz> any ff3.1 repo?
[16:36] <definitely> skype is good.. all people i know use it..
[16:36] <definitely> Thats why i need it
[16:36] <lrbabe> Ok, I'm gonna try to reboot : /
[16:37] <BUGabundo_work> defrysk:  tehre is a PPA for it from asac
[16:37] <BenHoltz> BUGabundo_work: So... I have gnome-wm stating in the session manager... what's the next step to check?
[16:37] <BUGabundo_work> definitely: to quick fix your prob visit www.imo.im
[16:37] <BUGabundo_work> it supports skype via web browser
[16:37] <NET||abuse> having a play with gwget, kget, aria, d4x, flashgot.... any other download managers worth trying? multi connection ftp/http downloads are the focus here.
[16:38] <BUGabundo_work> BenHoltz: look at LP to see if anyone else is suffering from your bug!
[16:38] <defrysk> we use voipblastewr thru webbrowser
[16:38] <defrysk> voipblaster
[16:38] <definitely> BUGabundo: via browser it should be a pain
[16:38] <definitely> :p
[16:38] <BUGabundo_work> 2 guys told me it wouldn't start and in both cases it was missing a tick on that entrie
[16:38] <BUGabundo_work> if yours is there, then its something else
[16:38] <BUGabundo_work> definitely: go there and test it 1st  before complaining
[16:39] <BUGabundo_work> ok ? xiii this people today... can't get help any way!
[16:39] <definitely> Its on browser...
[16:39] <definitely> Doh i wana use real skype
[16:39] <BUGabundo_work> remove your install
[16:39] <BUGabundo_work> and use the medibuntu  version
[16:39] <BUGabundo_work> it SHOULD work
[16:39] <NET||abuse> mm, ok, cup of tea needed.
[16:40] <definitely> Medibuntu via synaptic: skype:
[16:40] <definitely>  Depends: skype-common but it is not going to be installed
[16:41] <BUGabundo_work> sudo apt-get remove --purge skype
[16:41] <BUGabundo_work> sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade; sudo apt-get install skype
[16:42] <definitely> when i try to remove skype 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[16:42] <definitely> Coz it wasnt able to install
[16:43] <aatk> Just a quick question, if I install the ibex beta now, it "should" upgrade correctly when ibex is officially released?
[16:43] <punzada> yup
[16:43] <definitely> aatk yeah
[16:43] <punzada> it's been fun having it installed for the past week or so
[16:43] <punzada> seeing like 50-80megs of upgrades daily
[16:44] <aatk> Cool, time to give that a shot then
[16:46] <defrysk> aatk: still at your own risk
[16:47] <aatk> defrysk, yeah I know, I've been using Fedora 10 for the last few weeks and I'm just sick of it
[16:47] <defrysk> fedora is a joke
[16:47] <defrysk> better to use mandriva then
[16:48] <aatk> I was going to go back to arch
[16:48] <defrysk> aatk: off topic better to stop digressing
[16:48] <aatk> Okay
[16:49] <defrysk> ubuntu has a great 8.10
[16:49] <defrysk> and its their best issue
[16:49] <defrysk> imo that is
[16:51] <BUGabundo_work> definitely: ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[16:51] <BUGabundo_work> just notices that skype common is still building
[16:52] <BUGabundo_work> and you might have forced the install
[16:52] <BUGabundo_work> wait a few hours for it to build
[16:52] <BUGabundo_work> and you will be fine
[16:52] <definitely> i found deb in skype web
[16:52] <definitely> :)
[16:53] <puremichael> hi, since intrepid i get a message "/usr/bin/nm-ppp-starter: file not found" while trying to connecto to a vpn network
[16:53] <puremichael> what packages do i need to get it running again ?
[16:54] <DanaG> Grr... in the past 15 minutes, I've gotten both a kernel panic and a hard-lockup.
[16:54] <BUGabundo_work> definitely: you may try to install the older version
[16:54] <BUGabundo_work> http://packages.medibuntu.org/pool/non-free/s/skype/
[16:54] <BUGabundo_work> you can force/choose that on synapctic
[16:54] <definitely> BUGabundo: Installing official version atm
[16:54] <definitely> :)
[16:55] <DanaG> !find nm-ppp-starter
[16:55] <BUGabundo_work> there is no OFFCIAL 64 version
[16:55] <DanaG> :(
[16:55] <definitely> http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-ubuntu-amd64
[16:56] <BUGabundo_work> wait a few hours for it to build
[16:56] <BUGabundo_work> and update-manager will fix it for you
[16:56] <definitely> m8 i already installed official version and it works
[16:56] <definitely> so what is different ?
[16:57] <BUGabundo_work> no auto updates ?
[16:58] <|neon|> if i'm running kubuntu can i also install ubuntu alongside?
[16:59] <|neon|> not dual bot but also install the files for gnome is what i mean
[16:59] <defrysk> yes
[17:00] <defrysk> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[17:01] <|neon|> defrysk: thanks
[17:01] <Kajover>  hey.. i have problems connecting to my _encrypted_ wireless network - macbook pro (santa rosa), broadcom drivers, 8.10 beta (all updates)
[17:02] <Kajover> didnt use ubuntu before so cant tell if the problem is new.. router is a FRITZ!Box Fon WLAN 7140
[17:03] <DanaG> Guess what THAT disconnect was.....
[17:03] <DanaG> ANOTHER random kernel panic.
[17:03] <Kajover> any idea?!
[17:06] <BUGabundo_work> guys... see you tomorrow. have fun
[17:06]  * BUGabundo_work waves good buy
[17:06] <BUGabundo_work> *bye
[17:07] <DanaG> And THAT... was me hitting ctrl-c.... and having the X server itself somehow receive it, and quit.
[17:07] <DanaG> =þ
[17:09] <batti5_> i fixed my res problems, now i have up to 1400x1050
[17:11] <batti5_> anybody know how to connect a nokia 6300 classic trough usb?
[17:12] <batti5_> with kmobiltool
[17:12] <raymears> hi everyone, i've just upgraded to intrepid... from hardy kde4-remix and strigi doesn't run. (it didn't run on hardy either). any idea why? i tried executing /usr/bin/strigidaemon and i get a "connection error (dbus-launch failed to autolaunch d-bus session. no protocol specifie)"
[17:15] <myk_robinson> hey. How do you set custom keyboard shortcuts in GNome? I want to set a shortcut for the system monitor and for xkill
[17:15] <ali1234> raymears: try launching dbus manually?
[17:16] <raymears> right. how? :D
[17:16] <ali1234> raymears: try running "dbus-monitor" first to see if it is running already
[17:17] <raymears> failed to open connection to session message bus
[17:17] <raymears> dbus-launch failed to autolaunch dbus session: no protocol specified
[17:18] <raymears> so, i'm guessin it's not running.. but why?
[17:18] <ali1234> raymears: try running "dbus-launch"
[17:18] <ali1234> it might say the same thing
[17:18] <raymears> No protocol specified
[17:18] <raymears> and then it echoes 2 system vars
[17:19] <ali1234> then you have some kind of problem with your dbus i think
[17:19] <raymears> DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS and _PID
[17:19] <raymears> hehe. great.
[17:19] <raymears> i searched for dbus-related packages in my package manager... but everything that sounds like dbus.. seems to be already installed
[17:21] <raymears> would it help if i were to install some dev packages ? (i know i'm not really using the "scientific method" here...)
[17:21] <ali1234> no those are for developers only
[17:21] <raymears> i know... occasionally ... they help.
[17:25] <gaelfx> I just ran update-manager and it says that not all updates can be installed, is it safe to do the partial upgrade?
[17:26] <batti5_> it depends
[17:27] <batti5_> but i tink its not a problem
[17:27] <batti5_> if you use apt its safe
[17:28] <gaelfx> just do a sudo apt-get update then is what you're saying?
[17:28] <DanaG> "partial" often likes to remove stuff -- just be sure to CHECK what it wants to do.  Don't just blindly approve it.
[17:28] <gaelfx> yeah, that's what happened when I tried to upgrade from Hardy, it removed all sorts of stuff that it had no place messing around with
[17:29] <batti5_> thats a different story
[17:29] <gaelfx> ok, and one more question: is there any way I can change the software sources so that I don't download from the Chinese Ubuntu archive site? it's reeeaaalllly slow
[17:29] <ali1234> raymears: do you have liborbit2 installed?
[17:30] <batti5_> yes, mainmenu > Settings > Software Sources
[17:31] <gaelfx> well, I've tried changing it there, but it still downloads all the update lists from that site, so just getting the lists is taking like more than half an hour
[17:31] <raymears> ali1234: letme check
[17:33] <DanaG> go to terminal and 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list/'
[17:34] <DanaG> change it to use archive.ubuntu.com
[17:34] <gaelfx> spiffy, thanks DanaG!
[17:35] <raymears> ali1234: yes, it was installed
[17:35] <ali1234> raymears: i don't think dbus uses it after all :(
[17:36] <gaelfx> wow, can't say enough about how great the newHuman theme is
[17:36] <raymears> ali1234: i can't seem to find anything with google... every search result is a dead end
[17:36] <ali1234> raymears: it looks like the "no protocol specified" could actually be coming from xlib
[17:37] <DanaG> Also: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors
[17:37] <klaxian> any ideas why X seems to crash/freeze when I try to log in?  i just upgraded one of my computers to intrepid.
[17:37] <DanaG> It sometimes helps to have a fast local mirror listed first, and then the official archive listed afterward.
[17:37] <DanaG> That way, the local one is preferred if it's up to date, but the other is used if necessary.
[17:37] <klaxian> i get the gnome login screen, but after typing user/password for any user, it seems to try to log in and then it freezes
[17:38] <klaxian> i can move the mouse but nothing else works.  however, i can ssh to the machine and other processes are running normally
[17:38] <raymears> ali1234: so why would xlib cause this?
[17:38] <ali1234> raymears: could be something to do with your xauth. did you even run an xwindows program with sudo?
[17:39] <gaelfx> ah, ok, I'll run the select best server thing again and write down what it gives, but does that test available bandwidth at all, or does it just ping the mirrors?
[17:39] <ali1234> raymears: try creating a new user and then logging in as that user and trying all the dbus stuff again
[17:39] <raymears> ali1234:  well.. not with sudo per se, i use kdesu
[17:40] <raymears> ali1234: ok. i'll give it a try
[17:40] <ali1234> raymears: kdesu is ok but using sudo can mess up some important files in home
[17:40] <raymears> ali1234: i did not know that. thanks.
[17:41] <jussi01> !kdesu
[17:41] <ali1234> jussio1: thanks
[17:41] <jussi01> :)
[17:41] <raymears> hehe
[17:42] <gaelfx> maybe it was a bad idea using the 64-bit version... so many apps still don't run native in it
[17:42] <raymears> i used kdesu instinctively for running graphical apps... but i had no idea sudo could mess up things
[17:43] <gaelfx> sudo will let you do pretty much anything as long as the syntax is in order
[17:44] <gaelfx> using sudo is a lot like playing Jenga, if you do it carefully and select the right things to move, things go fine, but if you don't....down goes the tower
[17:45] <raymears> ali1234: wait! hang on a second. i'm running the dbus commands as root. how can my home directory affect them?
[17:55] <ali1234> raymears: dbus communicates with all parts of the system. root doesn't necessarily have access to everything...
[17:55] <raymears> ali1234: oh... poo! it was exactly because of the fact that i was trying to run these things as root.. that they did not work. i started strigidaemon as myself..
[17:55] <ali1234> raymears: try ... yeah
[17:55] <raymears> ali1234:  and it's bloody running! so... thanks for the advice...
[17:58] <ali1234> raymears: notably, being root alone is not enough to access another user's X session which is why xlib was giving the "protocol not specified" error (which usually means not authorized)
[17:59] <klaxian> i can't seem to log in to gnome.  it crashes halfway through.  any ideas?
[17:59] <raymears> ali1234:  yeah... makes sense. i was basically doing surgery on the wrong organ, in the wrong operating room... so to speak
[17:59] <klaxian> it seems like it starts logging in
[18:00] <klaxian> but then it freezes
[18:01] <digitalspaghetti> Anyone any ideas why in the new VPN tab in the network manager that the Add button is greyed out?
[18:02] <xxploit> anyone familar on the prefetch kernel patches at (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Prefetch). The last kernel the page mentions is 2.6.22 for hardy dated 2007.
[18:23] <klaxian> where would i check to see why X/gnome seems to be crashing during login?
[18:23] <klaxian> i assume that a default startup program is causing it, but i'm not sure which one
[18:23] <klaxian> is there a log?
[18:47] <Lordveda> any openchrome or xorg 7.4 bugs in Intrepid?
[18:50] <afflux> Lordveda: no, any xorg bugs have been fixed!
[18:55] <batti5> bluetooth, how?
[18:55] <batti5> how to use bluetooth in ibex
[18:55] <batti5> ?
[18:58] <batti5> little help please
[18:58] <batti5> how kbluetooth4 works?
[18:59] <batti5> i can recieve, but sending?
[19:04] <|_VoiD_|> greetings
[19:04] <|_VoiD_|> i have kubuntu 8.10 .... i would like to change the file associations back tu default... how do i do that?
[19:04] <|_VoiD_|> can anyone help?
[19:07] <getyamindrit> Could someone please help me get my onboard sound working in 8.10? My sound chipset is a Realtek Alc1200. I've got all the latest updates. lspci show's it as  00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller
[19:23] <getyamindrit> I still have the same issue it says "Cannot open the audio device. Another application may be using it.
[19:23] <getyamindrit> also I swear when I booted this time I heard the  startup sound
[19:26] <scarface> If I grab the latest iso from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/, is that the same thing as if I download the Beta from 10/02 and applied all the updates from Update Manager?
[19:29] <Kr0ntab> scarface... yeah...  for the most part.
[19:31] <kane> Hi, how can I select default network interface in intrepid?
[19:33] <kane> I have set up sharing of internet connection and my primary interface is wlan0 (wireless) and the secondary interface is eth0 (ethernet), however in intrepid if I configure both, then it takes eth0 as the default and it is not able to connect to the internet..
[19:45] <FFForever> how do i edit the darkroom theme?
[19:46] <zniavre> to do what ?
[19:46] <FFForever> i wanna edit the color used when editing a filename
[19:47] <FFForever> the light peach is just 2 light and u cant really read it....
[19:47] <zniavre> usr/share/themes/DarkRoom/gtk-2.0/gtkrc
[19:47] <elwood> hi guys
[19:47] <FFForever> how do i edit it though?
[19:47] <elwood> i'm using intrepid since when it was a alpha, but today i have strange problem
[19:48] <zniavre> you should try the appearence properties advanced setting
[19:48] <elwood> all, also tty seems to be delayed...from keyboard to commands passed with bash...what could be? my kde4?
[19:48] <zniavre> do not know right name in english sorry
[19:48] <FFForever> how do i install the community themes btw?
[19:49] <zniavre> apt-get install community-themes
[19:51] <heiner_> Hey, i've installed 8.10 some day's ago. And i dunno why, but in certain intervalls my xserver crash's immediatly :(.
[19:51] <danbh_intrepid> anyone here using the 64bit distro of ubuntu?
[19:53] <FFForever> zniavre, u still around?
[19:56] <danbh_intrepid> very quickly, I'm still looking for a person using 64bit intrepid, and gnome.  I'm curious if they are experiencing this bug 256749
[20:08] <[newnick]> greetings
[20:08] <[newnick]> anyone awake?
[20:08] <[newnick]> anyone running  8.10 on acer aspire one?
[20:08] <charlie-tca> [newnick]: yes
[20:09] <charlie-tca> no acer here
[20:09] <[newnick]> having issues with my wireless card, it worked 2-3 days after beta release but after some updates it has stopped working
[20:10] <[newnick]> the network monitor does not display my wireless networks
[20:10] <[newnick]> and leaves no error message either
[20:16] <ali1234> kane: i just ran into the same problem you are having
[20:17] <ali1234> it used to work on hardy, now when i bring up the second interface it overwrite the DNS and routing with bogus information
[20:25] <scientus> root@shawn-desktop:/home# cat /etc/mtab cat: /etc/mtab: Stale NFS file handle
[20:25] <scientus> what do i do?
[20:42] <Xray7224> hey im wondering what kernel ubuntu 8.10 has ?
[20:43] <webmaren> Xray7224: kernel 2.6.27
[20:43] <Xray7224> thanks :)
[20:43] <Xray7224> thats the one i need for my wireless card :)
[20:45] <histo> Having trouble getting windows to boot residing on a slave drive. Grub is pointed at hd(1,0) any ideas? Do I need to edit he boot.ini on the windows drive as well?
[20:46] <Xray7224> wow my download speeds are really lame
[20:50] <shirish> hi all, can somebody help me figure out if I'm using dhcp or am I using network-manager?
[21:00] <AstralJava> shirish: ps -ef|grep dhcp
[21:00] <AstralJava> shirish: If that reveals nothing but grep dhcp, then the same but instead of dhcp, use network, for instance.
[21:02] <kane77> can anyone explain how new NetworkManager play with the rest of the system? eg. how do I set internet connection sharing? (the old iptables way does not work)
[21:02] <serengeti> hi, do you know what's the status of the fglrx driver in intrepid? It seems some people are using it (bug 247376), but it doesn't appear in Hardware Drivers or even in synaptic on my system.
[21:04] <webmaren> serengeti: have you tried installing from command-line
[21:06] <serengeti> webmaren, ah I see, the new search box in Synaptic wouldn't show it, but the package is there
[21:07] <serengeti> I think it didn't rebuild its search index or something like that
[21:07] <digitalspaghetti> Any ideas folks - i'm on an Acer Aspire one Ibex and today I did an update and around the same time I installed the vpn stuff for network manager.  SInce then my WiFi has stopped working
[21:09] <shirish> AstralJava: it seems I'm using dhcp , now how to make sure that my connectivity works only through network-manager?
[21:09] <digitalspaghetti> wlan0 isn't even in my statup logs, the last event with it was this: Oct 20 18:21:21 zombifies NetworkManager: <WARN>  check_one_route(): (wlan0) error -34 returned from rtnl_route_del(): Sucess
[21:09] <shirish> AstralJava: I have also put up a question about the same at https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+question/48571
[21:12] <shirish> AstralJava: lord, it shows both , this is ridiculious
[21:14] <shirish> AstralJava: here's the pastebin output of it http://pastebin.com/f42c4d8f0
[21:16] <digitalspaghetti> Anyone?  Here is my full event log before it died: http://paste.ifies.org/118
[21:18] <shirish> another thing, does anybody what is dhcdbd being superseded by? I don't know whether that's important or not, it shows up in system-cleaner-gtk, should it show there?
[21:21] <shirish> bbiam
[21:21]  * shirish out
[21:24] <billstei> I see that the 4 "magic" lines in /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh that were often used in pre-Intrepid systems to get USB to work in virtualbox guests has now been removed.  Is there any information anyone can direct me to concerning this?
[21:36] <FFForever> how do i install oo3?
[21:43] <outbri> FFForever: I think all the openoffice packages are 3.0 by default, except the openoffice.org2* packages.
[21:44] <tphilosopher> outbri: That's not my experience. I had to install openoffice using debs from the website.
[21:45] <tphilosopher> openoffice 3.0*
[21:45] <tphilosopher> But maybe I'm wrong.
[21:45] <webmaren> outbri: I've got beta and it's still calling itself OO.o 2.4
[21:46] <FFForever> outbri, i upgraded from 8.04
[21:46] <FFForever> i wanna upgrade oo to 3.0
[21:46] <outbri> tphilosopher, webmaren: I think you're both right. I had thought I had 3.0, but it seems I still have the 2.4 packages.
[21:46] <tphilosopher> FFForever: Download the debs from the website and extract them.
[21:46] <outbri> So FFForever, if you want to upgrade you'd have to get the debs
[21:47] <webmaren> outbri, FFForever, tphilosopher: I don't think they're going to bundle OO.o 3.0 into Ubuntu 8.10
[21:47] <FFForever> i got the tar.gz.....
[21:47] <tphilosopher> Download the archive from the website and extract it* Lqtm
[21:47] <outbri> Yeah, I remember now.
[21:47] <FFForever> it has rpms though....
[21:47] <tphilosopher> FFForever: Use debs.
[21:47] <tphilosopher> I believe the debs and the rpms are in separate archives.
[21:47] <FFForever> from?
[21:47] <webmaren> tphilosopher: I got rpms when I d/led too, do you have to select an alternate installer on the website
[21:47] <tphilosopher> The website.
[21:48] <FFForever> link meh?, i only found one link for linux....
[21:48] <FFForever> and it has rpms....
[21:48] <tphilosopher> There was multiple links on the day of the release...
[21:48] <FFForever> yeah was....
[21:48] <FFForever> is there a way i can just install the rpms?
[21:48] <tphilosopher> They're still there.
[21:48] <tphilosopher> http://download.openoffice.org/other.html#en-US
[21:49] <webmaren> FFForever: go to website, click i want to download, click get more platforms and languages
[21:49] <tphilosopher> webmaren: That's the one. :)
[21:49] <FFForever> Thanks :)
[21:50] <FFForever> anyone know a mirror?
[21:50] <FFForever> the main is slow as ****
[21:50] <tphilosopher> When you've downloaded it, extract the archive and open the terminal.
[21:50] <tphilosopher> Type the following:
[21:50] <tphilosopher> cd DIRECTORY/WITH/DEBS
[21:50] <tphilosopher> dpkg *.deb
[21:51] <webmaren> FFForever, i'm getting 190KB/s, i don't know how high your standards are
[21:51] <webmaren> you can try the P2P options
[21:51] <FFForever> webmaren, i am only getting 22KB/S
[21:51] <FFForever> *gets the torrent file*
[21:51] <webmaren> lol
[21:51] <tphilosopher> That's what I love in particular about Ubuntu updates - 800KB/S
[21:52] <webmaren> tphilosopher: curse you and your high-powered connection
[21:52] <FFForever> tphilosopher, i am lucky to get 75kb/s on updates my local mirror is slow oddly.....
[21:52] <webmaren> 190 is my max
[21:52] <FFForever> webmaren, if i swap wifi connections i can get a awesome 1238kb/s (max)
[21:52]  * tphilosopher does a little dance
[21:52] <tphilosopher> Lqtm
[21:53] <tphilosopher> I imagine mine could be higher if I switched to a wired connection.
[21:53] <FFForever> it took a download accelerator though to get that high :)
[21:53] <webmaren> lol
[21:53] <tphilosopher> I could be imagining wrong. ;)
[21:53] <FFForever> =S
[21:54] <FFForever> any one else have problems with gfx effects?
[21:54] <tphilosopher> YES! Stupid window decorator keeps becoming blank.
[21:54] <FFForever> anyone know how to fix meh problem?
[21:55] <FFForever> when booting it stalls till i hold any key for a few secs....
[21:55] <tphilosopher> GLX effects aren't enabled until you start X (login window) as far as I'm aware. Maybe even as late as when you log in.
[21:55] <FFForever> i know that this is a boot problem...
[21:55] <Psycardis> Has anyone been successful in getting their wifi to work in Intrepid? I have a BCM 4318.
[21:56] <FFForever> Psycardis, i have a bcm43xx in 8.10 working :)
[21:56] <FFForever> i used ndiswrapper
[21:56] <FFForever> :)
[21:56] <ali1234> Psycardis: yes i have. i installed the bcm fwcutter and got my 43xx working too
[21:57] <FFForever> does ath5k support packet injection?
[21:57] <Psycardis> Well, I can get it working, but for some reason it loses the settings when i reboot...
[21:58] <ali1234> Psycardis: i didn't have that problem but i have seen bugs on launchpad involving gnome-keyring (whch stores the encryption keys)
[21:58] <Psycardis> It looks like I'm having problems with ssb
[21:59] <Psycardis> It works right after I configure it, but after rebooting It shows ssb instead of ndiswrapper under module.
[21:59] <tphilosopher> Nice chatting with you guys, but I have a bed waiting for me. ;) Night!
[21:59] <Psycardis> Night!
[22:00] <Psycardis> Any suggestions?
[22:00] <ali1234> Psycardis: the b43 driver supports 4318 i suggest you try it (just install package bcm43xx-fwcutter and it will do the rest)
[22:01] <ali1234> you will have to remove ndiswrapper too i guess or it might conflict
[22:01] <Psycardis> Any pros/cons between ndiswrapper and fwcutter?
[22:02] <ali1234> Psycardis: ndiswrapper uses the windows ndis driver in a wrapper. b43 is a native driver.
[22:02] <ali1234> and the package is actually called b43-fwcutter
[22:02] <ali1234> the fwcutter just removes the firmware part of the windows driver and puts it in lib firmware
[22:03] <Psycardis> Wow, didn't know that, thank I'll try that... is it on http://packages.ubuntu.com?
[22:03] <ali1234> Psycardis: it is in the main repo
[22:04] <Psycardis> ali1234: thanks
[22:07] <Psycardis> Ok, second question, does b43-fwcutter need working internet to install/configure?
[22:07] <sorush20> hi i need to find out what how to make a rdiff-directory
[22:07] <sorush20> !keep
[22:08] <ali1234> Psycardis: yes it downloads the driver and cuts out the firmware. i guess you could download the driver on another machine and copy it
[22:08] <sorush20> the kubuntu package keep is telling me that the destination folder dosen't look like a rdiff-directory
[22:08] <ali1234> Psycardis: btw your wifi is not usb is it? cos b43 doesnt support those
[22:08] <Psycardis> No, it's mini pcie
[22:09] <Supersaiyan_IV> !ubuntu
[22:09] <Supersaiyan_IV> here I was trying to get a different answer
[22:10] <Psycardis> !kubuntu
[22:11] <maxb_> Hrm, something in today's updates has caused ssh-askpass to start generating this error: /usr/share/themes/Human/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:273: Unable to locate image file in pixmap_path: "panel_bg.png"
[22:12] <virtuelv> Has anyone experienced Ubuntu just flat out freezing with certain wireless networks
[22:12] <virtuelv> I'm connecting through Orange's French Wifi
[22:13] <virtuelv> and in one of the setups, Ubuntu locks hard on me, while at another one of their AP's it works just fine
[22:13] <virtuelv> it's not an easy issue for me to debug, unless canonical wants to pay me 200 EUR/night, plus lost salaries to stay in a french casino
[22:14] <virtuelv> (e1000e, fwiw)
[22:18] <sorush20> !backup
[22:19] <Supersaiyan_IV> virtuelv, intrepid?
[22:20] <Supersaiyan_IV> virtuelv, have you tried the intrepid beta on it before?
[22:21] <virtuelv> Supersaiyan_IV: intrepid, yes
[22:21] <virtuelv> and it's never ever crashed on me like that
[22:21] <virtuelv> it crashed 11 times today, when on a particular network
[22:21] <virtuelv> s/network/AP/
[22:21] <Supersaiyan_IV> virtuelv, but it associates?
[22:22] <virtuelv> yes, and it keeps the connection up for 10-20 minutes
[22:22] <virtuelv> and then my machine freezes solid
[22:22] <Supersaiyan_IV> virtuelv, i hope youre not a victim of the firmware erase bug
[22:22] <virtuelv> I can't restart X
[22:22] <virtuelv> I can't switch to a different terminal
[22:22] <virtuelv> but the wifi LED continues blinking
[22:23] <Supersaiyan_IV> virtuelv, there was a bug with intrepid beta which rendered e1000e wifi's useless
[22:23] <virtuelv> Supersaiyan_IV: I am aware of that bug, and I believe I was not bitten by it
[22:23] <Supersaiyan_IV> ok
[22:23] <virtuelv> because that bug would have rendered wifi completely unusable
[22:24] <Supersaiyan_IV> virtuelv, i don't really know i dont have experience with the e1000e
[22:26] <dystopia> hi, im trying to get squashfs with lzma working, i have both source tarballs from deb respository (Ubuntu ii) and then i dont see lzma module in module-assistant. When i compile squashfs it mentions i dont have lzma module installed...
[22:33] <dystopia> the module-assistant doesn't see that there is lzma module to be installed
[22:38] <dystopia> when i ran module-assistant in text mode and told it to build lzma and squashfs, both modules were made
[22:38] <dystopia> in the dialog however, it didn't show lzma as option
[22:39] <petererer> hmm, where did gnome-power-manager's cpufreq stuff go?
[22:49] <FFForever> wth... i installed all the debs....
[22:49] <FFForever> and i don't see them in my menu
[22:50] <Supersaiyan_IV> FFForever, which debs
[22:50] <guiss> hi guys, I am testing an Ubuntu 8.10 fresh install on a GA-P35-D3SL with a core2duo 8400 processor and after installation Ubuntu reboots everytime I select 2.6.27 kernel (tried with recovery mode also) on grub, any help?
[22:51] <Supersaiyan_IV> guiss, tried alternative install, with update during install?
[22:51] <FFForever> open office 3
[22:52] <guiss> how do I do that?
[22:52] <Supersaiyan_IV> FFForever, in shell, does openoffice3 pop up?
[22:52] <Supersaiyan_IV> guiss, there is a different .iso called alt install
[22:53] <guiss> gotta download again? o well
[22:53] <wgrant> guiss: At which stage does it reboot?
[22:54] <guiss> wgrant, while booting the kernel... i managed to see something about tcp/ip before rebooting but it goes too fast to read
[22:54] <wgrant> guiss: So within a couple of seconds of when you hit enter?
[22:55] <bsnider> what's up wgrant?
[22:55] <guiss> wgrant, that's right
[22:56] <wgrant> guiss: That'd be a kernel bug, which an alternate installation very probably won't fix.
[22:56] <wgrant> guiss: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+filebug
[22:56] <Supersaiyan_IV> guiss, http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.10/ubuntu-8.10-beta-alternate-i386.iso ← worth a try
[22:56] <Supersaiyan_IV> if this doesnt work file a bug like wgrant said
[22:57] <wgrant> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeamBugPolicies#Filing%20Kernel%20Bug%20reports
[22:57] <guiss> I was thinking about booting with 8.04 and chrooting into the new installation to see if there's any kernel update
[22:57] <wgrant> It looks like it's crashing before it gets far into userspace, so the alternate CD probably won't work.
[22:57] <wgrant> guiss: Not a bad idea. But grabbing a daily also wouldn't be bad.
[22:57] <FFForever> what is different in the ubuntu kernel compared to the standard?
[22:57] <guiss> wgrant, the thing is that I only have a 1mbps download bandwidth
[22:58] <Supersaiyan_IV> wgrant, alt install doesnt update kernel on the fly?
[22:58] <wgrant> guiss: Ah, lovely.
[22:58] <wgrant> Supersaiyan_IV: No.
[22:58] <Supersaiyan_IV> i see
[22:58] <wgrant> FFForever: Various extra features, drivers, fixes, etc.
[22:59] <guiss> wgrant, where can I find a daily build of the installer?
[22:59] <FFForever> oowrite opens 2.4
[22:59] <FFForever> oowriter*
[23:01] <wgrant> guiss: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[23:01] <wgrant> You can rsync it to save bandwidth.
[23:06] <guiss> well, 8.04 livecd reboots too :(
[23:09] <wgrant> guiss: Did it ever work on that hardware?
[23:09] <guiss> don't know... a friend just got the pc
[23:09] <guiss> i don't imagine why it shouldn't work
[23:11] <guiss> in the forums some people has the same mobo and ubuntu working
[23:16] <RicardoPerez> Hi! Can anybody test if left-arrow key goes slower than right-arrow key when you previously do: xset r rate 10 50
[23:16] <RicardoPerez> Thanks
[23:20] <guiss> before rebooting I managed to read "Checking if image..."
[23:23] <mercutio22> Hello people! I just saw some new themes. The new age one looks great
[23:23] <mercutio22> is that matter settled yet?
[23:24] <storrgie> nvidia-settings segfaults when trying to save the xconf
[23:25] <mercutio22> sweeeet
[23:27] <bsnider> storrgie, i wouldn't modify xorg.conf that way
[23:27] <storrgie> bsnider: but i like the gui
[23:28] <wgrant> storrgie: You probably like a working X server more.
[23:28] <bsnider> it inserts garbage into the modern xorg.conf file that could cause problems
[23:29] <wgrant> nvidia is stuck in the old days however, so you might have no choice.
[23:29] <bsnider> add things to the device, screeen, and monitor sections only. do not add anything else
[23:31] <storrgie> well can i get the nvidia-settings prog to show me what it wants to write
[23:31] <storrgie> then i can edit it?
[23:31] <bsnider> yes you can
[23:36] <outbri> Why won't FF close with ctrl-w anymore, you have to right click on it in the taskbar or sometimes the close 'x' works?
[23:45] <storrgie> how do i export the settings of nvidia-settins?
[23:45] <storrgie> since saving to xconf causes a segfault
[23:48] <storrgie> hey bsnider i thought you said i could export the settings instead of saving to xconf
[23:48] <maxb_> The latest human-theme package seems to have a bug - it's causing '/usr/share/themes/Human/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:273: Unable to locate image file in pixmap_path: "panel_bg.png"' to appear when ssh-askpass is run
[23:49] <bsnider> storrgie, you can
[23:49] <maxb_> There also seems to be a bug in the built-in firefox restart-needed prompting, in that it keeps popping up again and again even though I do restart
[23:50] <storrgie> bsnider: im trying to figure out how, and having no luck... any suggestions?
[23:53] <mercutio22> is this the place to call attention to bugs and request features?
[23:55] <storrgie> bsnider:  i cant figure it out.
[23:55] <bsnider> storrgie, you need to take the issue into the massive convolutions of your brain and churn out a solution
[23:56] <bsnider> actually, i have no idea what the hell that means...
[23:56] <storrgie> bsnider: only crickets there, no serious i dont see a way to output the settings besides save to x config which causes a segfault
[23:58] <mercutio22> Is that nautilus problem that prevented compiz from drawing one wallpaper on each cube face fixed in intrepid Ibex?
[23:59] <bsnider> storrgie, yes it does appear to be malfunctioning
[23:59] <bsnider> it used to work, but not now


[00:09] <brousch> snap-l: i found 3 good bands due to club metal #4. i'm especially surprised that i like http://unwoman.bandcamp.com/album/unremembered
[00:39] <snap-l> brousch: Yeah, that's an awesome album.
[00:40] <snap-l> Bought that on disc because I liked it so much
[00:51] <brousch> i like so few female singers
[00:59] <snap-l> What were the other bands you found?
[01:08] <brousch> neurotech, cryogen second
[01:10] <jrwren> old Hanzel Und Gretyl is great.
[01:15] <snap-l> Uber Alles is awesome
[01:16] <snap-l> brousch: Yeah, I was really happy to have found Neurotech
[01:16] <snap-l> that pretty much sealed me putting out the episode. :)
[01:16] <snap-l> I want more of that sort of music
[01:20] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOtjiMYUJ_s
[01:20] <snap-l> unfortunatley they lost their domain
[01:40] <_stink_> heh, that python fiddler thing looks really broken.
[01:41] <_stink_> importing json and trying to dumps() a list causing a library traceback, and the gmail oauth isn't set up right.
[02:10] <rick_h_> heh, sure it's got issues
[11:58] <Wolfger> morning
[11:58] <brousch> ++
[12:01] <rick_h_> morjning
[12:01] <rick_h_> brousch: http://pyrseas.wordpress.com/2011/08/29/dueling-frameworks/
[12:01] <rick_h_> he's ranting on your flask, attack!
[12:03] <brousch> hehe
[12:04] <brousch> i think 0.8 due next week has the class-based thing
[12:05] <brousch> and i have trouble with the database passing
[12:05] <rick_h_> passing?
[12:05] <rick_h_> the per request session management?
[12:05] <brousch> well, passing the db variable around
[12:05] <rick_h_> import it
[12:06] <rick_h_> you're not doing db stuff in your controller actions are you :P
[12:06] <brousch> the db connection needs the app
[12:06] <brousch> and then the app needs the db
[12:06] <rick_h_> hmm, maybe one day I'll check it out. I keep meaning to find an excuse to do something in flask
[12:06] <rick_h_> I've had to figure it out in pylons and pyramid and command line scripts so usually able to get a handle on the stuff these adys
[12:07] <brousch> flask-sqlalchemy needs the app to make the base in the models
[12:07] <rick_h_> but not looked at how that flask plugin/addon works
[12:07] <brousch> but then to use the db in the app, you have to import models
[12:07] <brousch> it doesn't seem right to me
[12:07] <rick_h_> oh, circular dep issue?
[12:07] <brousch> yeah
[12:08] <brousch> if it's all in one file, like a very simple app, then it's fine. but when i break out models it gets ugly
[12:08] <rick_h_> well normally what you find is what pylons/pyramid does
[12:08] <rick_h_> the models originally are attached to a base with no db on it
[12:09] <rick_h_> then there's an "init_models(engine)"
[12:09] <rick_h_> that accepts a build db engine and assigns it to the base
[12:09] <rick_h_> that way on initial import the models can load, but just don't talk to anything, and then at the end of your app "boot" phase, it grabs the engine data from your config and runs init_models
[12:10] <rick_h_> https://github.com/mitechie/Bookie/blob/master/bookie/models/__init__.py#L44
[12:10] <rick_h_> for example in bookie
[12:12] <brousch> that is the biggest init.py i've ever seen
[12:12] <rick_h_> yea, I'm bad, I should move the bmark stuff all out
[12:12] <rick_h_> but it starts as a single models.py file
[12:12] <rick_h_> and I moved it into a module and didn't clean it all up
[12:22] <snap-l> good morning
[12:22] <brousch> in my little cherrypy python test i was about to run into the circular issue again
[12:22] <brousch> the main app has all of the config, and the model needs to access it to get the db config
[12:23] <brousch> but then app needs the model to do db stuff
[12:24] <brousch> so i was going to have the model access the config without going through the app, but then the config is being parsed twice, or there are two config files
[12:25] <rick_h_> booo
[12:26] <rick_h_> just delay, you don't need the model stuff until the ned of the app code anyway.
[12:26] <rick_h_> that's what that initialize_sql thing is doing
[12:26] <rick_h_> get an app up somewhere brousch and I'll edit it and show you what I mewan
[12:26] <brousch> i think i see it now
[12:26] <brousch> have a function in the models.py that someone else can call to create the engine
[12:27] <rick_h_> right
[12:27] <brousch> then the model has no need to know the config, the app can call the create_engine function with the right dburi
[12:27] <rick_h_> call that  after imports and all that work is deon from your app
[12:27] <rick_h_> right
[12:27] <rick_h_> exactly
[12:27] <brousch> much better
[12:27] <rick_h_> and you don't end up with models dependant on a config file
[12:28] <rick_h_> you can still load them via ipython, external script and just feed it an engine
[12:28] <brousch> i like that
[13:13] <rick_h_> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~barry/flufl.enum/trunk/files/head:/flufl/enum/__init__.py?file_id=flufl-20100424151503-h6gekpiiqsaprkiu-1
[13:13] <rick_h_> does that load for anyone else?
[13:14] <brousch> nope
[13:16] <rick_h_> k, glad it's not just me then
[13:54] <rick_h_> that was kind of not unpleasant
[13:54] <rick_h_> tv is cancelled, officially a cord cutter
[13:54] <rick_h_> finding the number took some work, but not real pressure/hard time cancelling
[13:54] <brousch> they know you'll be back
[13:55] <rick_h_> lol
[13:55] <rick_h_> yea, actually don't think I've not had cable/etc since I can remember
[13:55] <rick_h_> so will be a new trial for sure
[14:03] <jcastro> rick_h_: I am sans cable down here
[14:03] <rick_h_> jcastro: yea, with roku + ota hd I'm hoping it's enough for the wife's needs
[14:03] <rick_h_> going to buy a  second roky for upstairs I think
[14:03] <jcastro> I have an hdhomerun but I need an antenna, just haven't bothered
[14:03] <rick_h_> roku, damn I can't type today
[14:03] <rick_h_> yea, finally got an antenna and put it up in the attic this weekend
[14:03] <rick_h_> works great, couple of channels look really nice
[14:05] <rick_h_> crazy to think for the cost of tv service could buy a roku a month :/
[14:08] <brousch> i just use the $15/mo cable service. all local channels nice and clear
[14:08] <rick_h_> $99 antenna, no need for $15/mo
[14:09] <rick_h_> does that still require a box brousch ?
[14:09] <brousch> no
[14:15] <brousch> rick_h_: bah, my Flask circular dependency is my own stupidity. i am using an application-specific path inside of my model. i can easily fix that
[14:15] <rick_h_> ah, ok
[14:42] <brousch> i refactored out the circular dependency and eliminated a few lines of code in the process
[14:43] <brousch> why is it when i do something the right way i end up with less code?
[14:46] <snap-l> heh. :)
[14:46] <snap-l> It's the way of it. :)
[14:55] <rick_h_> it's a very true sign
[14:55] <rick_h_> whenever I'm forcing a bad design I have all kinds of crap code trying to make things happen
[14:55] <rick_h_> and later on, it hits me, and code gets cut in 1/3
[15:44] <snap-l> Can someone riddle me why I keep running ruby on my machine?
[15:44] <rick_h_> because there's something cool on there?
[15:44] <rick_h_> and you have an on again/off again relationship with tracks?
[15:44] <snap-l> yes
[15:44] <gamerchick02> what does Ruby give you that Java or C can't?
[15:45] <snap-l> And for some reason I keep following the development branch that goes from working to not working
[15:45] <snap-l> gamerchick02: tracks
[15:45] <rick_h_> cool libraries/packages :)
[15:45] <gamerchick02> is it love? coffee in the morning?
[15:45]  * gamerchick02 is being silly again
[15:45]  * rick_h_ parses snap-l's line there and wonders if that was rhetorical or not
[15:45] <snap-l> rick_h_: Which line?
[15:46] <rick_h_> "And for some reason I keep following the development branch that goes from working to not  working
[15:47] <rick_h_> "
[15:47] <rick_h_> sorry, monday, I'm not coherent today
[15:47] <gamerchick02> then why run the dev branch?
[15:47] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: sssshhhhh
[15:47] <snap-l>     Convert tracks to use Bundler for gem resolution
[15:47] <rick_h_> lol
[15:47] <gamerchick02> i run the dev-daily of chromium, but if it borks, i go back to firefox. no big hairy deal.
[15:47] <rick_h_> woo! ruby, where there's no standard tool to do anything, but 20 ways to do it differently
[15:48] <gamerchick02> rick_h_: I like being silly sometimes
[15:48] <gamerchick02> and happy Monday to all.
[15:48] <snap-l> Which apparently is like saying "lets use pip, but not the one that works"
[15:48] <rick_h_> snap-l: you hit up devin on CHC?  Try 'gem update --system' to update RubyGems itself. (Gem::InstallError)
[16:41] <rick_h_> uh oh, snap-l having fun?
[16:41] <rick_h_> time to figure out rvm or something me thinks
[16:41] <rick_h_> forget that system level ruby stuff
[16:41] <snap-l> I'm done.
[16:41] <rick_h_> lol
[16:41] <snap-l> I'm rewriting this thing in Python
[16:41] <rick_h_> virtuanenv --no-site-packages tacks_not_ruby
[16:42] <snap-l> I'll need some help with the interface to get what I want, but frankly I'm sick of feeling like my system is overrun by idiots.
[16:42] <Blazeix> you could call it 'pins'
[16:42] <rick_h_> man, if only you knew anyone that did web development, some uis, and in something not ruby :P
[16:42] <snap-l> and flavor of the month club shit
[16:42] <Blazeix> or 'pyns'
[16:43] <snap-l> rick_h_: Yeah, and if only there was a framework that could tie all of the models and views and controllers together
[16:43] <rick_h_> ouch, that's a toughy
[16:43] <snap-l> Blazeix: Half tempted to call it Amish Rake Fight
[16:43] <snap-l> (except there's already a band called that)
[16:43] <Blazeix> to google it is
[16:45] <snap-l> Regardless, I need to migrate my stuff again to todo.sh so I at least have something to look at
[16:45] <snap-l> But this is it. I'm done with Ruby.
[16:45] <Blazeix> have you ever played around with emacs org mode?
[16:46] <Blazeix> I have a friend who organizes his entire life using that
[16:46] <rick_h_> there's a vim port, before you get the idea of launching emacs in a virtualmachine
[16:46] <snap-l> Blazeix: Have you ever stuck your finger in a light socket?
[16:46] <Blazeix> not a fan?
[16:46] <snap-l> Not particularly
[16:46] <Blazeix> It specifically calls out GTD as something it handles :)
[16:46] <snap-l> both of emacs and of org mode
[16:47] <snap-l> maybe I haven't given it enough time, but most of the text based ones I've seen use project identifiers that look more like a Scott Adams text adventure
[16:47] <snap-l> GET BANK
[16:47] <snap-l> CLEAN GARAGE
[16:47] <snap-l> PLAY FIDDLE
[16:47] <snap-l> I don't work that way.
[16:47] <gamerchick02> you play the fiddle?
[16:48] <snap-l> gamerchick02: and I dance with the devil in the pale moonlight
[16:48] <gamerchick02> ooooh, cool. :)
[16:48] <gamerchick02> all i can think of is hyperbole and a half when you posted that: GET BANK, CLEAN GARAGE, etc
[16:50] <Blazeix> What are you, a wizard?
[16:51] <snap-l> (note: no, I don't play the fiddle, unless you count making cat-in-pain noises).
[16:52] <Wolfger> the snap-l went down to Georgia? No?
[16:53] <snap-l> I can play that song... on the radio.
[16:53] <Wolfger> :-)
[16:53] <gamerchick02> :-D
[16:54] <Wolfger> speaking of snap-l and radio... I was listening to Pandora on my commute today, and I "liked" Nickelback and Metallica within minutes of each other. I contemplated the possibility this might make Pandora explode...
[16:55] <snap-l> Wolfger: No, just shows you have no taste. ;)
[16:55] <Wolfger> I should have not liked Metallica?
[16:56] <snap-l> Depends... was it pre-load or post-load?
[16:56] <Wolfger> I have no idea what that even means
[16:57] <snap-l> What song was it that you liked?
[17:00] <Wolfger> Sad But True
[17:01] <rick_h_> pre-load
[17:01] <rick_h_> though I tend to referrer to metallica as pre-black and post-block
[17:01] <rick_h_> the load era is just something that's better forgotten
[17:02] <snap-l> Yeah
[17:03] <Wolfger> created this station off a single song suggestion a couple weeks ago for Alcohaulin' Ass by Hellyeah. So far, it's been pretty good for me.
[17:07] <gamerchick02> Nice, wolfger. but why Nickelback?
[17:08] <Wolfger> *sigh* Not you too...
[17:08] <gamerchick02> no, i'm asking why? i like a couple of songs by them
[17:08] <gamerchick02> i don't openly admit it, lest my hipster cred be tarnished...
[17:08] <Wolfger> lol
[17:08] <gamerchick02> :-D
[17:08] <gamerchick02> i've got the black rimmed glasses and the chucks.
[17:09] <Wolfger> I like Nickelback. The songs that don't hit the top 40 more than those that do.
[17:09] <gamerchick02> i don't fit skinny jeans, but hey, 2 out of 3 ain't bad.
[17:09] <gamerchick02> ah. :)
[17:09] <Wolfger> well, except Rock Star. That one's cool *and* popular
[17:09] <gamerchick02> :)
[17:51] <brousch> snap-l: where on your TODO list does the Pyramid-based task organizer go?
[17:51] <snap-l> It goes into todo.sh. ;)
[17:52] <brousch> before you can add todo.py to your tasks list, you must first create todo.py
[17:55] <brousch> your mission is to write a minimal task list today, and have it always working as you enhance and build it. this way you will only add features you need as they become more important than other tasks on your list
[17:55] <rick_h_> remember, api first, then app :)
[17:56] <rick_h_> hmm, so is he rewriting tracks or todo.sh?
[17:56] <brousch> i have no idea what the difference is
[17:56] <rick_h_> tracks is a web based app, todo.sh is a command line plain text deal
[17:56] <brousch> i'm just trolling to procrastinate doing real work
[17:57] <rick_h_> yea, I'm done with real work for the day
[17:57] <Wolfger> \o/
[17:57] <rick_h_> http://joeybeninghove.com/2011/08/16/backbone-screencast-introduction-views/ watching this
[17:57] <rick_h_> but man is he hard to watch/listen to
[17:57] <rick_h_> getting some yummy ideas though
[17:58] <snap-l> I'm rewriting tracks
[17:58] <rick_h_> cool
[17:58] <snap-l> At least that's the plan. :)
[17:58] <rick_h_> from ruby to python you should be able to almost just port it vs rewrite it
[18:02] <brousch> i demand a native android client
[18:03]  * Wolfger just heard brousch volunteer
[18:03] <brousch> yes, i volunteer to demand a native android client
[18:05] <Blazeix> speaking of which, has anyone played around with phonegap at all?
[18:05] <rick_h_> brousch: was playing around with it
[18:05] <brousch> i made 2 tiny apps with phonegap
[18:05] <Blazeix> thoughts? It seems like a good way to make webapps with app store support.
[18:06] <Blazeix> do they provide JS bridges to native APIs?
[18:07] <brousch> yes
[18:07] <brousch> some APIs
[18:07] <rick_h_> http://docs.phonegap.com/
[18:07] <rick_h_> yea, not all
[18:07] <brousch> it is basically a wrapper around webkit with some native API access
[18:08] <brousch> so your app is javascript/html/css
[18:14] <rick_h_> hah! http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/javascript-ajax/getting-started-with-backbone-js/
[18:15] <rick_h_> backbone collections are just my xxxMgr objects
[18:15] <rick_h_> awesome
[18:27] <_stink_> snap-l: i wrote pydidit as a sqlalchemy/curses todo app, but i confess it was my first attempt and is pretty broken.  and it's not necessarily GTD. :)  but let me know if you get something going, i'd love to look at it/help out.
[18:28] <jjesse> for those of you with the HP tablet, looks like CyanogenMod now works on it
[18:28] <jjesse> http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/29/cyanogenmod-team-gets-android-working-on-hp-touchpad/
[18:32] <krondor> jjesse:  works is relative... no touchscreen support yet I thought
[18:36] <Wolfger> touchpad - touch screen = brick?
[18:36] <rick_h_> if bt works you can keyboard
[18:36] <rick_h_> think they had a bt keyboard for the pre
[18:36] <rick_h_> it's a good step, I had heard the graphics chip was diff than most android devices, so if they got a gui, that's a good step
[18:36] <snap-l> _stink_: I'd really love some of your help with this
[18:37] <_stink_> snap-l: if you create a project or googlegroup or anything, please include me
[18:37] <snap-l> I'm going to set up some models and hopefully push up some code real-soon now.
[18:37] <rick_h_> _stink_: at CHC?
[18:37] <snap-l> It'll likely be on github.
[18:37] <_stink_> awesome.
[18:37] <krondor> rick_h_:  yeah it's an adreno 220
[18:37] <rick_h_> :P
[18:37] <_stink_> rick_h_: someday :P
[18:38] <_stink_> this Wednesday is the end of the zoo summer concerts
[18:38] <rick_h_> hmm, have to squeeze in some time before hockey starts :P
[18:38] <rick_h_> how's the boy doing?
[18:38] <_stink_> he's good.  seems to have gotten past a few of the devil child things he picked up a few weeks ago
[18:39] <_stink_> but pretty typical goofy toddler atm
[18:39] <_stink_> yours?
[18:39] <rick_h_> hah! let me know how you get those out. toddler-hood is going to test my new found adult patience
[18:39] <rick_h_> oh he's great as long as I'm biking him around or mowing for him to watch, or something else that involves dad working his @#$#@ off
[18:40] <_stink_> we just try to be relentless in correcting him
[18:40] <_stink_> hah
[18:40] <rick_h_> _stink_: yea, steady wins the race you hope
[18:40] <_stink_> rick_h_: hah, so he's making you work.
[18:40] <_stink_> i think there are some potential health benefits to fatherhood
[18:40] <rick_h_> I credit him with half my weight loss. He's a slave driver
[18:40] <_stink_> i can lift more than i could beforehand
[18:40] <rick_h_> heh, that's for sure
[18:52] <brousch> Three is the worst age so far
[18:53] <brousch> potty training is going to kill me
[18:53] <brousch> so you've got that to look forward to
[18:54] <rick_h_> yea, just ordered a potty seat
[18:54] <rick_h_> and stool, so getting to start that
[18:54] <_stink_> we got a potty, but it's just sitting for now
[18:54] <_stink_> not really thinking about that yet
[18:55] <rick_h_> the day care room he's in makes him do it before he moves on
[18:55] <_stink_> damn
[18:55] <_stink_> pressure. :)
[18:55] <rick_h_> but yea, it's more of an early stage, trying to get him interested, "do you need a new diaper" etc
[18:56] <rick_h_> sweet, my python namespaced packages are working
[18:56] <rick_h_> time to start up my own python namespace
[18:57] <rick_h_> from mitechie.something import awesomesauce
[18:57] <_stink_> hah
[18:57] <rick_h_> I wonder if my boss would let me post our tools up
[20:59] <snap-l> https://github.com/craigmaloney/PyTracks
[21:01] <brousch> right at 5pm? seriously?
[21:01] <brousch> :P
[21:01] <snap-l> ;)
[21:02] <snap-l> It's just a pyramid shell right now
[21:02] <_stink_> o/
[21:06] <snap-l> I FUCKING HATE CAPTCHAS
[21:22] <snap-l> http://identi.ca/conversation/79356145#notice-82009866 <- seriously?
[21:46] <Blazeix> I hesitate to say this, but I'm with psquid
[21:46]  * Blazeix ducks
[21:54] <Blazeix> also, I read that thread as psquid prefacing all his comments with "oh snap!"
[21:55] <snap-l> http://identi.ca/conversation/79356145
[21:55] <snap-l> Blazeix: captchas are not a solution. They're a stop-gap
[21:56] <snap-l> http://identi.ca/notice/82013382 <- Blazeix
[22:00] <Blazeix> snap-l: are you against captchas in their current form, or captchas in general?
[22:01] <Blazeix> by "in general" I mean taking the literal definition of an automated way of telling comps and humans apart.
[22:02] <Blazeix> maybe every 50th captcha I run into I have trouble deciphering, but there's a refresh button to bypass it.
[22:03] <snap-l> I'm against them because they're user-hostile
[22:03] <Blazeix> you've yet to answer any of psquids questions with a serious answer.
[22:03] <Blazeix> so what's your ideal solution?
[22:03] <snap-l> Awesome, he blocked me.
[22:03] <Blazeix> I'll agree that captchas aren't the ideal solution, but they are a solution.
[22:04] <snap-l> my point is that they're not effective because humans can route around them to get spam accounts
[22:04] <snap-l> and the problems with normal users outweigh the benefits.
[22:06] <Blazeix> snap-l: you mean mechanical-turk style?
[22:06] <snap-l> Yes.
[22:06] <Blazeix> yeah, that is an issue, and I don't see a way around it.
[22:07] <Blazeix> but it's a difference of rates
[22:07] <Blazeix> a computer can spam 100s (or 1000s) per minute.
[22:07] <Blazeix> or at least, way faster than a human can.
[22:07] <snap-l> Understood, but there are better ways of dealing with that that don't inconvenience users.
[22:08] <Blazeix> like what?
[22:08] <snap-l> moderation, throttling
[22:08] <Blazeix> The one thing that comes to mind is an empty field that's hidden
[22:08] <Blazeix> throttling wouldn't be useful, due to bot net spam.
[22:09] <Blazeix> moderation would be insane without some other way of limiting spam.
[22:09] <snap-l> There's also algorithmic pattern matching (akismet)
[22:09] <snap-l> In each of these, it's transparent to the user.
[22:11] <Blazeix> akismet is pretty awesome, but it isn't perfect, and you have false positives.
[22:11] <snap-l> I'm very passionate about making the user experience better, and CAPTCHAs inhibit that.
[22:11] <snap-l> Blazeix: You get false positives with CAPTCHAS
[22:12] <Blazeix> true, but I'd wager less than akismet. though i don't have any stats to back that up
[22:12] <snap-l> I've had well-known sites eat postings that I just said "fuck it" because the CAPTCHA killed my post
[22:12] <snap-l> I don't either
[22:12] <Blazeix> yeah, you raised that on the ident thread
[22:12] <Blazeix> that's an issue with crappy sites, rather than CAPTCHAs
[22:12] <snap-l> and that's what really pissed me off about that conversation was me venting my spleen turned into having to defend why I think they're stupid
[22:12] <Blazeix> any site worth its salt will use some ajaxy thing
[22:13] <Blazeix> I suppose I'm not helping by raising it in IRC, then
[22:13] <snap-l> I have yet to see a captcha that made me thrilled to use it
[22:13] <snap-l> Blazeix: I feel more comfortable talking to you about it because I know you
[22:13] <snap-l> You're not going to block me because I'm an ass.
[22:15] <Blazeix> I guess very few CAPTCHAs induce happiness (short of the find a puppy captchas), but a site not being overrun by spam does. at least for me.
[22:16] <snap-l> True, but they're a false sense of security
[22:18] <Blazeix> I don't believe there's a solution that can give you true security. I'm not arguing it's anywhere close to perfect, but it does help, and I wouldn't want captchas to disappear tomorrow.
[22:18] <Blazeix> I definitely wouldn't call them "ineffective."  That's doom right there.


[01:01] <hajour> ok i reported the bug about to chromium
[03:46] <hajour> Pendulum I would like to have teamspeak for  accessibility in the chat rooms here on ubuntu .it should make it more accessible for people with some handicaps
[03:53] <Pendulum> hajour: teamspeak?
[03:53] <hajour> o yes
[03:53] <Pendulum> I don't know what that is
[03:54] <hajour> a program that make possible to speak instead of typing
[03:55] <hajour> in games they use it to
[03:55] <hajour> leoquant by example have problems with his hands
[03:55] <Pendulum> well, IRC is something that people use all sorts of methods to access
[03:56] <hajour> it should make it more accessible for him
[03:56] <Pendulum> it's also proprietary, not open source
[03:56] <Pendulum> and not everyone can hear
[03:57] <hajour> yes but we have tryed to install a sort of teamspeak in the speechcontrol chat
[03:57] <Pendulum> *nods*
[03:57] <hajour> others can type
[03:57] <Pendulum> right, but don't they need to be able to hear what he's saying?
[03:57] <hajour> its just when he neead to say something ore ask
[03:58] <hajour> its no problem every pc have sound
[03:58] <hajour> laptop
[03:58] <Pendulum> right, but if they can't hear (like are deaf or are in a place where they can't have sound or headphones)
[03:58] <hajour> its not that you need a exspensive soundcard of something
[03:58] <Pendulum> I understand that. I'm saying we have people who work on our project who are deaf
[03:59] <hajour> someone can say it if it is emportant type
[03:59] <Pendulum> anyway, to get it into ubuntu channels, someone would need to approach the IRC council
[03:59] <Pendulum> and I'm not sure they'd agree with it
[03:59] <hajour> i dont mean everybody needs to speak true it
[03:59] <hajour> only the one with a handicap who need it
[04:00] <Pendulum> btw, I don't know leoquant, but has he tried dasher?
[04:00] <Pendulum> it's an alternate keyboard input
[04:00] <hajour> mm i shall ask it
[04:00] <Pendulum> (all mouse, no typing)
[04:00] <hajour> we tryed teamspeak and mumble
[04:01] <Pendulum> I have hand issues and it's the best thing I've found that worked with linux (it's not voice recognition software, though)
[04:01] <hajour> i just try to find a solution for him
[04:01] <Pendulum> *nods*
[04:01] <Pendulum> what does he do for things that aren't IRC?
[04:01] <hajour> hehe Pendulum  thats where we working on
[04:04] <hajour> he is working on a beginners team /classroom for the dutch loco
[04:04] <hajour> it is called mwanzo
[04:05] <Pendulum> hajour: right, but how does he use his computer for non-IRC things?
[04:05] <hajour> one key at a time, only can use one finger
[04:05] <Pendulum> he should really try dasher
[04:08] <hajour> what would be really nice if there was some sort of conference app with text, sound and video, as easy as irc, cheese
[04:08] <hajour> ok i shall ask him ore he tryed that
[04:09] <hajour> he is in our team for translation
[04:09] <hajour> he have done a lot of work for translation
[04:10] <Pendulum> cool
[04:11] <hajour> yes and he have al kind of contacts true the translation team in ubuntu-nl (dutch)
[04:12] <hajour> i just want he have a good chance to be active in the speechcontrol to
[04:13] <hajour> and we building a accessibility project
[04:14] <hajour> so it should be weird if there was no accessibility in our team
[04:14] <Pendulum> I would really suggest he look at dasher at least as a short-term solution
[04:14] <Pendulum> I <3 dasher and am happy to help with some of the non-obvious bits
[04:14] <hajour> we gonna try that,if it not works i come back here :P
[04:15] <Pendulum> heh
[04:15] <Pendulum> well, I will not have the time or energy to take it to the IRC council, but that's how it would have to proceed to get teamspeak in an Ubuntu channel
[04:16] <hajour> Pendulum, we need buttons on programs and that sort of things for applications with contrasting colors for people who are colorblind
[04:18] <hajour> i have asked in design but i for advice but i had not get respons
[04:18] <hajour> sorry for my lines
[04:18] <Pendulum> well, some of that is not something Ubuntu can control. Some of that is individual programs
[04:19] <hajour> little tired
[04:19] <Pendulum> otherwise, there are options in compiz to change contrast
[04:19] <Pendulum> AlanBell I think has played around with that more than I have
[04:19] <hajour> yes but i could not help mhall119  true that
[04:19] <Pendulum> charlie-tca probably has as well
[04:20] <hajour> AlanBell, and charlie-tca  dit also not now a solution for the thing from mhall119
[04:20] <Pendulum> (I don't disagree that it should be easier)
[04:20] <Pendulum> ok
[04:21] <Pendulum> I don't know if the design team will have any better ideas. and unless we're already talking about on Unity, I'm a little reluctant to look at how the regular gnome desktop looks when Unity is about to be the default for everyone
[04:21] <hajour> orca dit crashed UndiFineD  his pc because it couched a log out spontaneously.also after the running
[04:22] <hajour> many times
[04:22] <hajour> we have report the bug
[04:23] <Pendulum> *nods* I saw that you filed a bug about that
[04:23] <hajour> also the sound from orca cant be used on all pc s audio it seems like it anyway
[04:23] <Pendulum> I don't know enough about orca and how it works to know if that's an Ubuntu-specific bug or an upstream bug
[04:25] <hajour> i dont no aether i only report :)
[04:25] <Pendulum> what's the bug number?
[04:25] <Pendulum> :)
[04:25] <hajour> sec i going to look brb
[04:33] <hajour> UndiFineD,  is going to look because i cant find it.but he just is logged out again .stil the results of orca
[04:33] <hajour> so he have to start his pc again
[04:34] <hajour> ok this is him https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=637621
[04:34] <ubot2> Gnome bug 637621 in speech "Orca crashes, logs me out" [Major,Needinfo]
[04:35] <Pendulum> oh, it looks like joanie is looking at stuff! that's useful :)
[04:38] <hajour> yes to solve it hopefully
[04:38] <Pendulum> yeah
[04:38] <Pendulum> joanie's someone I really like and respect
[04:38] <Pendulum> so hopefully she'll figure it out
[04:39] <hajour> because its no fun for him to restart his pc at least 10 times on 1 evening
[04:40] <Pendulum> yeah
[04:42] <hajour> Pendulum, its 5.45 in morning here.i going to sleep now.if you know something ore need me just ping me ore pm.:)
[04:43] <Pendulum> I'm heading to bed shortly myself. good night!
[04:44] <hajour> o and thanks Pendulum
[04:44] <hajour> good night :)
[16:58] <IdleOne> anybody here ever use Sphinx4, it is a voice recognition program
[16:59] <IdleOne> got a user in #ubuntu who is having some issues with it.
[17:00] <AlanBell> IdleOne: yes
[17:00] <IdleOne> AlanBell: you think you can take a stab at it if you got the time?
[17:00] <IdleOne> user is sherbieny
[17:00] <AlanBell> ok
[17:01] <IdleOne> he is getting the follwing error when running from terminal
[17:01] <IdleOne>  gnome-sound-recorder:12900): GStreamer-CRITICAL **: gst_implements_interface_cast: assertion `gst_element_implements_interface (GST_ELEMENT (from), iface_type)' failed
[17:03] <AlanBell> sherbieny: hi
[17:03] <sherbieny> hey
[17:03] <sherbieny> how r u
[17:03] <AlanBell> #ubuntu makes my head spin, much quieter here!
[17:03] <AlanBell> I have to do some real life stuff feeding kids in a sec, will have more time later
[17:03] <sherbieny> yes its like a reading competition there
[17:03] <IdleOne> sherbieny: good luck with sphinx, hopefully you and AlanBell can get it sorted.
[17:04] <AlanBell> how did you install sphinx?
[17:04] <AlanBell> and what version of ubuntu etc?
[17:04] <AlanBell> I found the accuracy pretty low
[17:05] <sherbieny> IdleOne: thanks for helping I'll come back to you if I didn't sort my mic issue out
[17:07] <sherbieny> AlanBell: Well I installed sphinx4 by downloading the bin and src and extracting them together into sphinx4-1.0beta5
[17:07] <sherbieny> AlanBell: My specs is:
[17:08] <sherbieny> AlanBell: Ubuntu10.10 with windows 7 on Hp Pavillion dv6000
[17:11] <sherbieny> AlanBell: when I enter: cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#* | grep Codec
[17:11] <sherbieny> Codec: Realtek ALC268 Codec: Motorola Si3054
[17:13] <sherbieny> AlanBell: now My mic is working but not very well first when I run it using the terminal I get this:
[17:14] <sherbieny> (gnome-sound-recorder:13954): GStreamer-CRITICAL **: gst_implements_interface_cast: assertion `gst_element_implements_interface (GST_ELEMENT (from), iface_type)' failed
[17:16] <sherbieny> AlanBell: I don't know the problem I seems to have two internal mics
[17:17] <sherbieny> still there?
[17:18] <UndiFineD> sherbieny, that is a bug to report
[17:18] <sherbieny> how to report it
[17:18] <UndiFineD> however i get the feeling some of these sound bugs are smp related (more than one cpu)
[17:18] <UndiFineD> it is a gstreamer bug
[17:19] <sherbieny> I'm trying to understand but I don't
[17:20] <sherbieny> The gnoem-sound-recorder is recording
[17:21] <sherbieny> but when I push record button it doesn't start the timer
[17:22] <sherbieny> AlanBell: A question about sphinx4
[17:23] <UndiFineD> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=GStreamer
[17:26] <AlanBell> back now
[17:27] <sherbieny> AlanBell: How to start a tester or something with WSJ models so that sphinx give me sentences, I read it and sphinx takes what I said and sends me a error percentage report
[17:27] <AlanBell> hmm, I only have sphinx2 installed at the moment
[17:27] <sherbieny> AlanBell: and sphinx2 can do what  just told you
[17:27] <sherbieny> AlanBell: and sphinx2 can do what I just told you
[17:31] <AlanBell> I got one of the WSJ models working with pocketsphinx I think
[17:31] <AlanBell> so you want it to score your pronounciation or something?
[17:33] <AlanBell> http://www.keithv.com/software/sphinx/ this kind of stuff
[17:35] <sherbieny> AlanBell: brb
[17:37] <AlanBell> Pendulum: http://www.keithv.com/software/speechdasher/
[17:37] <AlanBell> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa7tVUS7yY0&feature=player_embedded
[17:37] <Pendulum> interesting
[17:39] <sherbieny> I'm back
[17:40] <AlanBell> sherbieny: I will try and set up sphinx4 later to reproduce the error you were getting
[17:41] <AlanBell> there is also a #sphinx channel on freenode
[17:41] <sherbieny> AlanBell: yes I want some score or some data and also I want to repeat the experiment but changing frequency or something
[17:41] <sherbieny> AlanBell: no no no no no
[17:41] <AlanBell> I am quite interested in what you are trying to do
[17:42] <sherbieny> AlanBell: sphinx4 has no problem at all
[17:42] <AlanBell> ok, sorry
[17:42] <sherbieny> AlanBell: I installed it and integrated it with eclipse
[17:43] <sherbieny> AlanBell: the problem is I can't figure out how to use it
[17:43] <sherbieny> AlanBell: I can only use the demos like HelloWorld
[17:44] <sherbieny> AlanBell: but to test the speech engine's accuracy that is the issue
[17:45] <AlanBell> pretty low!
[17:45] <AlanBell> but yes, an objective measure would be good
[17:45] <sherbieny> AlanBell: ofcourse it would very lovely
[17:47] <AlanBell> I think that is what the NIST tools do, I have seen several references to them
[17:47] <sherbieny> AlanBell: I need to get over sphinx to find the next speech engine and test it so that I can start documenting my experiments
[17:47] <AlanBell> there are some evaluation tools here http://www.itl.nist.gov/iad/mig//tools/
[17:47] <sherbieny> AlanBell: NIST? is it inside sphinx2 or 4 or is it something else
[17:48] <AlanBell> I have no idea how to use them though
[17:48] <AlanBell> it is mentioned in http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/sphinx/tutorial.html under word alignment
[17:49] <AlanBell> we have been looking into speech in general over the past week or so
[17:49] <AlanBell> it is not yet as awesome as we would like it to be!
[17:50] <AlanBell> one of the most promising looking things is the simon-listens application which uses the Julius speech recognition engine
[17:50] <sherbieny> no free software is awesome
[17:50] <AlanBell> all free software is awesome
[17:51] <sherbieny> I mean in speech-recognition
[17:51] <AlanBell> but some need additional awesomeness
[17:51] <sherbieny> all the softwares I found is so complicated and has no GUIs
[17:51] <AlanBell> simon-listens is a gui
[17:52] <sherbieny> and its out!!
[17:52] <AlanBell> but yes, the recognition engines are toolkits rather than finished goods
[17:53] <AlanBell> simon-listens is more of a command recognition tool rather than continuous speech recognition
[17:53] <AlanBell> which is much more practical at the moment
[17:53] <sherbieny> and thats the issue no speech recognition tool is complete except the commercial products
[17:53] <sherbieny> like dragon
[17:53] <AlanBell> from what I have seen free text dictation seems to be a number of years away
[17:56] <AlanBell> so what are you looking to do with it in the end?
[17:56] <sherbieny> thats a good question
[17:56] <UndiFineD> I have seen comparison of dns / sphinx / julius / others, dns is marginally better
[17:56] <AlanBell> didn't dragon get discontinued years ago?
[17:57] <UndiFineD> well it is still there and sold
[17:57] <sherbieny> It started as an easy topic for my thesis project
[17:57] <UndiFineD> do not know of their development
[17:57] <Pendulum> AlanBell: Dragon is still around. I assume you're thinking of ViaVoice which used to work on Linux
[17:58] <AlanBell> Pendulum: probably
[17:58] <sherbieny> I have to make a comparison between speech recognition engines
[17:58] <AlanBell> sherbieny: ok, great where are you doing your degree?
[17:59] <AlanBell> to do a fair comparison I would play each one the same sound file and do some stats on the results
[17:59] <UndiFineD> hajour, is curious an on her way :)
[17:59] <hajour> hai all
[17:59] <AlanBell> probably using something like the news or a radio play as the sound file
[18:00] <AlanBell> hi hajour
[18:00] <hajour> reading back:)
[18:00] <sherbieny> AlanBell: I'm doing it in german university in egypt
[18:00] <AlanBell> sherbieny: hajour has been looking into speech and pulling together interested people
[18:00] <AlanBell> sherbieny: wow, interesting!
[18:01] <sherbieny> Its my graduation project and I'm running out of time
[18:01] <AlanBell> sherbieny: simon-listens is a german led project, as is openMary
[18:02] <sherbieny> i can't get anyone of them to work so I can start get the data I need for my documentation
[18:02] <AlanBell> other universities with strong research groups in the area are Edinburgh where they develop festival (text to speech) and Carnegie Mellon where Sphinx comes from
[18:03] <sherbieny> Well they are out of my reach now, I hope to find a way to just use sphinx, I don't want to write programs or scripts
[18:03] <sherbieny> I just want to start something read a sentence and get an error report
[18:04] <sherbieny> and repeat with changing some variables like frequency, amplitude
[18:06] <AlanBell> http://www.itl.nist.gov/iad/mig/tools/index.html
[18:06] <AlanBell> look at the Speech Recognition Scoring Toolkit
[18:06] <sherbieny> and I hope I can do this on other softwares, write reports, finish my thesis and graduate :)
[18:06] <AlanBell> yay \o/
[18:06] <UndiFineD> sherbieny, we have wayward... he produced sonic and announced it on the debian accessibility mailinglist
[18:07] <UndiFineD> sonic can speed and slow voices and alter pitch
[18:07] <UndiFineD> his real name is Bill Cox
[18:07] <hajour> and bedahr from simons listen
[18:08] <hajour> RainCT from julius
[18:08] <hajour> in our team
[18:09] <UndiFineD> and we still like to hear from TheMuso :P
[18:09] <hajour> so if you ever chance your mind
[18:09] <sherbieny> UndiFineD, what is wayward
[18:09] <hajour> AlanBell, have you let him see the launchpad from speechcontrol team?
[18:10] <UndiFineD> sherbieny, his nick ,his real name is Bill Cox
[18:10] <hajour> his nick is waywardgeek
[18:11] <sherbieny> you lost me guys :D
[18:11] <UndiFineD> no your still here :)
[18:11] <AlanBell> hajour: no, I was answering the questions!
[18:12] <UndiFineD> its ok AlanBell :)
[18:12] <sherbieny> ohh I thought you'r telling me all these info
[18:12] <hajour> https://launchpad.net/~speechcontrolteam
[18:12] <AlanBell> sherbieny: hajour has been leading a focus group looking into the state of the art in Free Software speech recognition and text to speech
[18:12] <sherbieny> hajour, my maaaaan please help
[18:12] <hajour> lol i am a she
[18:13] <sherbieny> ohh, hajour , my womaaaaaan please help
[18:13] <AlanBell> sherbieny: I think I will have a play with some of those scoring toolkit things later
[18:13] <hajour> hehe corection UndiFineD his women hehe
[18:14] <UndiFineD> sherbieny, about sonic, which could help you: http://lists.debian.org/debian-accessibility/2010/12/msg00030.html
[18:14] <AlanBell> right now I don't know how to get a percentage score or anything out of a speech recognition system
[18:14] <hajour> i now it is a lot info
[18:14] <sherbieny> so who's the woman
[18:14] <UndiFineD> hajour
[18:14] <hajour> me
[18:15] <sherbieny> AlanBell, thanks for the effort and see you soon
[18:15] <hajour> its to much for him :P
[18:15] <AlanBell> sherbieny: http://www.keithv.com/pub/baselinewsj/baseline_wsj_recipes.pdf
[18:15] <hajour> hope your problem shall be solved soon
[18:16] <AlanBell> sherbieny: really interested to hear how you get on with it
[18:16] <sherbieny> hajour, do you know how to use sphinx4
[18:16] <hajour> mm again a problem with a voice program
[18:16] <sherbieny> yes
[18:16] <sherbieny> AlanBell, thanks
[18:16] <hajour> we shall look on it sherbieny
[18:16] <UndiFineD> AlanBell, had it working, i have not got vedics to work yet
[18:17] <hajour> AlanBell, pm?
[18:17] <AlanBell> sure hajour
[18:17] <UndiFineD> vedics makes use of sphinx4
[18:17] <sherbieny> UndiFineD, no AlanBell got sphinx2 working and not the error reports
[18:18] <UndiFineD> oh yes :)
[18:18] <UndiFineD> I have it installed, but needs config
[18:18] <UndiFineD> which i have not yet looked into
[18:18] <sherbieny> I have it installed to and integrated with eclipse but no use
[18:19] <sherbieny> all i can do is some demo applications
[18:20] <sherbieny> and the manual is impossible
[18:20] <UndiFineD> my at-spi is broken, which i need to fix
[18:20] <UndiFineD> http://paste.ubuntu.com/546044/
[18:21] <AlanBell> sherbieny: http://cmusphinx.sourceforge.net/sphinx4/tests/live/README.html
[18:22] <sherbieny> is this an error log from sphinx4 installation
[18:22] <hajour> sherbieny, sorry but i have to make diner now.else i get angry kids.i think you are in good hands with AlanBell  and UndiFineD .:)
[18:22] <sherbieny> thanks
[18:23] <hajour> np :)
[18:25] <sherbieny> AlanBell, thanks this is the farthest point I reached in my search and I couldn't work it with WSJ
[18:25] <AlanBell> ok
[18:25] <AlanBell> I downloaded the -bin zip file so I don't have that, I will grab the -src version
[18:27] <sherbieny> the src version contains them but when you change the path in config files it get angry and start shouting errors
[18:28] <AlanBell> yeah, Java doesn't do small friendly errors
[20:39] <Pendulum> UndiFineD: is your facebook profile pic you, hajour, and the kids?
[20:40] <UndiFineD> yes
[20:40] <Pendulum> cool :)
[20:41] <UndiFineD> found you :)
[20:41] <Pendulum> I could tell
[20:45] <hajour> ?
[20:46] <hajour> a ok
[20:46] <hajour> its a pic. from 2 years back on his side :P
[20:47] <hajour> but its the only one we all are on
[20:49] <Pendulum> :)
[20:50] <hajour> my oldest daughter is here on ubuntu also now
[20:52] <hajour> but more on ubuntu nl.she find english for now a bit to difficult