[03:02] <slangasek> bdmurray, infinity: ok, bzip2 debhelperized; that's one missing ddeb sorted
[07:53] <cjwatson> ogasawara,jibel: update-{notifier,manager}/precise released now
[08:10] <jibel> cjwatson, thanks
[10:51]  * cjwatson pulls lp:germinate on nusakan to fix the latest Xubuntu image build failure
[10:51] <cjwatson> (hopefully)
[10:52] <cjwatson> was previously on r533, germinate 2.12
[13:35] <mvo_> could someone please reject my gui-ufw sponsored upload? its incomplete
[13:37] <stgraber> always happy to reject stuff, sure
[13:37] <stgraber> done
[13:40] <mvo_> thanks!
[13:47] <cjwatson> zequence: Can you explain the desktop-minimal seed to me a bit?  Are you intending to build a metapackage out of it?  There are also some oddities - for example desktop-minimal includes a dependency on network-manager-gnome, whereas desktop only recommends it
[13:52] <zequence> cjwatson: I'm going to base the desktop seeds more or less entirely on Xubuntu seeds. They recently introduced -core. Yes, I think we should make that into a meta
[13:53] <zequence> Those seeds may now be somewhat out of sync with Xubuntu seeds, as I haven't checked them for a while
[13:54] <cjwatson> zequence: The tricky bit is what to do about existing systems on upgrade
[13:54] <zequence> I would rather -desktop depended on -minimal, but I'm going to leave that up to Xubuntu devs
[13:54] <cjwatson> Well, no, it's not up to them
[13:54] <cjwatson> It's your metapackage
[13:55] <cjwatson> Normally, metapackages don't depend on each other, because that makes it hard to vary from one of them down the stack, but we may have to think about that a bit in this case
[13:55] <cjwatson> The normal way to do this would be to have the desktop seed inherit from desktop-minimal, and just make sure to install both of those when building images
[13:55] <stgraber> cjwatson: there's precedent for meta-packages depending on each other though :)
[13:55] <cjwatson> But that won't get the ubuntustudio-desktop-minimal installed on upgrade
[13:55] <stgraber> (not saying it's the right option for this case though)
[13:55] <cjwatson> *metapackage
[13:56] <cjwatson> So I think the two sane choices are (a) to strip the duplicate stuff out of the desktop seed and make it inherit from desktop-minimal (which it doesn't right now) and make ubuntustudio-desktop Depends: ubuntustudio-desktop-minimal; or (b) to leave them as entirely separate things
[13:56] <cjwatson> But you have to decide that, you can't delegate it to Xubuntu developers
[13:57] <zequence> cjwatson: -desktop-minimal only servers one purpose atm. And, that is so we can minimize the size of the CD size ISO
[13:58] <zequence> cjwatson: I'm copying Xubuntu seeds, and have proposed to them they would make -desktop inherit from -core, as they both are identical up to a point
[13:58] <cjwatson> They'll have the same decision to make, I'm sure
[13:58] <zequence> (they might have done so already, I haven't checked)
[13:59] <zequence> I will work on the desktop seeds more later on, and make sure they are reasonable
[14:00] <zequence> I will still need to solve how to install our metas over the internet when using the CD size ISO
[14:01] <zequence> The idea with the CD size is so that you can get the ISO down quickly, but still be able to install the full Ubuntu Studio system, if you want. The CD size will not be a showcase. Just a practical tool for certain things
[14:01] <cjwatson> Well, a live image doesn't offer any customisation
[14:01] <cjwatson> Unless you write a ubiquity plugin
[14:01] <zequence> Right
[14:03] <zequence> So, -desktop-minimal is only for the CD size. And, we don't want to ship the packages that are included in our multimedia metas.
[14:04] <cjwatson> Right, you've said that, but I'm not sure I understand whether that implies choice (a) or (b) above
[14:05] <zequence> cjwatson: I won't do that unless Xubuntu devs do it, as I'm copying their seeds. Not as long as their seeds are usable for us.
[14:06] <cjwatson> You won't do which one?
[14:06] <cjwatson> You have to do one or the other.
[14:06] <cjwatson> Sorry to press but I can't do anything on the images or updating ubuntustudio-meta for you without this.
[14:06] <cjwatson> And updating ubuntustudio-meta is blocking *lots* of other stuff outside Ubuntu Studio
[14:07] <zequence> cjwatson: Ah, yes. I won'd do a) until Xubuntu does so
[14:07] <cjwatson> (Although I could do a manual update of ubuntustudio-meta that just changes the libav* stuff, perhaps ...
[14:07] <cjwatson> )
[14:09] <zequence> cjwatson: By b), do you mean making -desktop-minimal a meta? Is it a problem if it is not a meta?
[14:10] <cjwatson> Whether it's a metapackage is slightly independent
[14:10] <cjwatson> It would be much more usual for the desktop-ish component of a live CD image to be a metapackage
[14:10] <cjwatson> I'm not sure that it's strictly required
[14:32] <rbasak> Any chance an SRU team member can take a look at juju-core and juju-quickstart in the Trusty queue, please?
[14:57] <zequence> cjwatson: What else would you need to start building an ISO?
[15:00] <cjwatson> zequence: I'm not sure yet :-)  Hopefully that's basically it though.  I guess I could do it without a desktop-minimal metapackage for the time being
[15:07] <zequence> cjwatson: Great. What I was mostly concerned about was "STRUCTURE", "ship" and "live" files. Seemed like it was hard to boil it down to as few files as possible, without having to duplicate entries.
[15:07] <zequence> Don't remember what I was thinking around that, but I had some ideas on how to optimize it.
[15:07] <cjwatson> I'll fix up the seeds if I run into anything horrible
[15:07] <cjwatson> Some duplication is required
[15:07] <cjwatson> Usually because even if the seed contents are the same, the way they expand differs depending on content
[15:07] <cjwatson> *context
[15:08] <cjwatson> Though some day I might add a #include mechanism or something which might help
[15:09] <zequence> cjwatson: Ok. Thanks for the help.
[15:53] <bregma> I have an SRU that's been languishing in the pending queue for trusty for a while now, probably because the autogenerated report incorrectly  shows it has an unverified task for a bug that is not included in the SRU
[15:53] <bregma> can I get someone from the SRU team to take a look and promote the compiz SRU in trusty, please?
[15:55] <cjwatson> bregma: looking
[15:55] <cjwatson> may have to let the bug be closed and reopen it
[15:56] <bregma> #1087090 was actually removed from the SRU because it had a regression and a new build uploaded
[15:56] <cjwatson> Yeah, just following through the history, I see that
[15:56] <cjwatson> It might not auto-close in that case
[15:57] <cjwatson> OMG bug 1063617 thankyouthankyouthankyou
[15:58] <bregma> ☺
[15:58] <bregma> if I just remove the verification-needed tag from the bug would that fix it?
[15:58] <cjwatson> no, leave it alone now
[15:58] <bregma> that I know how to do
[16:01] <cjwatson> bregma: should be on its way now, thanks for the prod
[16:01] <bregma> no, thank you
[16:01] <cjwatson> And yeah, there's no verification-* tag on that bug anyway
[17:00] <ogasawara> mdeslaur: mind moderating my post to ubuntu-security-announce for the HWE stack email
[17:00] <ogasawara> infinity: I tried to send the same to ubuntu-announce but I got an email that it was flat out rejected, any ideas there?
[17:00] <infinity> ogasawara: See /msg
[17:01] <slangasek> ogra_: is there any reason not to nuke the ubuntu-touch-preview directory on nusakan, containing only quantal/raring-era images? (and thus disambiguating my tab completion ;)
[17:04] <mdeslaur> ogasawara: done, thanks!
[17:08] <infinity> liburcu sure does have a comprehensive testsuite...
[17:46] <slangasek> infinity: yes; it's mostly benchmarking actually, but the upstream has a goofy setup - 'make check' tests almost nothing, and 'make regtest' (as in, "regression test") runs the benchmarks too :P
[17:47] <infinity> slangasek: Brilliant.
[17:47] <infinity> Ugh.  Two glibc build failures in a row on ppc64el, why do I feel like I'm going to end up bisecting binutils and/or gcc today?
[18:03] <infinity> slangasek: Speaking of that "testsuite", I'm incredibly suspicious of anything that runs in nearly identical wall-time on 6 completely different (and wildly different, in some cases) machines.
[18:03] <slangasek> infinity: well, perhaps the benchmarks are of the form "how much work can we get done in $unit_time"
[18:03] <infinity> slangasek: Unless the "benchmark" tests all consist of "execute 20 instructions, sleep 2s, repeat".
[18:04] <infinity> Or, that.
[18:04] <slangasek> I haven't looked closely; I don't really care and don't plan to have to touch this package again ever, with the exception of a sync when the Debian maintainer decides what to do about the test suite :)
[18:05] <infinity> slangasek: yeah, would be nice to talk upstream into properly separating make check and make bench.
[18:05] <infinity> slangasek: Otherwise, meh.
[18:07] <infinity> I'm going to find some lunch while this glibc/ppc64el build runs on another machine and pray it was the host that was broken and not the toolchain.
[18:07] <infinity> Cause I look forward to hunting binutils bugs like I look forward to massaging my scalp with an anvil.
[18:20] <slangasek> infinity: the key is to use the narrow end


[06:45] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: The problem in this case is the haruna dependency.
[13:54] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 Heyo BluesKaj
[17:15] <Eickmeyer> RikMills, @ahoneybun: In Lunar, haruna lists "Recommends: yt-dlp | youtube-dl", so if you really want to, you can blacklist both, but it's really not that big of a deal, and not your problem as it's not yours to maintain.
 If we can use KDE software that would be better so I vote yes on the replacement.
[17:35] <RikMills> Eickmeyer: if we do that then the very obvious "open url" button on the toolbar will be completely useless, instead of maybe useless for some urls
[17:36] <RikMills> not a good user experience
[17:37] <RikMills> but anyway, we coud for a bit have both on the ISO perhaps, and decide on one before freezes hit?
[18:50] <Eickmeyer> Well, VLC is a complete cluster right now, from the arrogant lead dev to the broken vaapi to the constant crashes, so your call.
[18:53] <Eickmeyer> The other thing you could do is blacklist yt-dlp and youtube-dl but seed the snap of yt-dlp which would keep it constantly updated even after release. And, since it's not a gui app, it would happen in the background and be completely seamless.
[18:54] <Eickmeyer> The maintainer of the snap would just have to do a trick or two to get it compatible with being a seeded snap.
[19:55] <mparillo> Not that I mind (obviously, since I am running LL), but based on https://invent.kde.org/multimedia/haruna/-/tags/v0.9.3 it looks as if it is still in initial development? https://semver.org/#spec-item-4
[20:20] <RikMills> yeah, it one of the newer things that is a one man effort or at best just a few people. it could just stall or die
[20:22] <RikMills> I would not even faintly consider it if we were on a LTS cycle
[20:47] <Eickmeyer> Just a KDE Frameworks frontend to libmpv, so it's not like a whole ton to do really. Could go with mpv for the higher attention, but honestly, mountains and molehills.


[08:10] <tadpole_jackson> what's the ram requirement for lubutu?
[08:11] <tadpole_jackson> i've got a low ram system
[08:11] <bioterror> ~192MB
[08:11] <tadpole_jackson> i have 256, this ought to be fun
[08:54] <tadpole_jackson> is 2 gigs of space enough for an install of lubuntu?
[08:57] <jmarsden> No.  You need slightly more than that for a normal from-the-Lubuntu-CD install of Lubuntu.
[08:57] <jmarsden> The official 11.04 CDs say they ned 5.3GB.  My tweaked equivalent will install into 2.7GB.
[08:58] <jmarsden> If you need to fit in something smaller, you might be able to do it using the mini.iso and then installing lubuntu-core ...
[09:00] <jmarsden> tadpole_jackson: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall   if you want to try that approach.
[10:41] <elros> hi
[10:41] <photon> hi
[10:42] <elros> if you want to install lubuntu, the easiest way is to install the lubuntu-desktop metapackage
[10:42] <elros> if you want to have less footprint, you can install lubuntu-core and just the programs you want/need
[10:43] <photon> alright, I will try that and come back if I have any questions, thanks!
[15:08] <irc-neo> hi, guys!
[15:09] <irc-neo> can i install lubuntu 11.04 on my Celeron 900MHz, 384Mb ?
[15:32] <bigjocker> irc-neo, minimum requirements for lubuntu installer is 256MB, so yes, you should be able to install it
[15:42] <Modris_> irc-neo, i use lubuntu on compaq evo n160 with 900mhz and 384Mb. I use it for web usage and that is ok. after 6+ tabs in chrome it eat almost all ram :-)
[15:43] <irc-neo> Modris_: i can't find nvidia driver for gforce 2mx(
[15:45] <Modris_> irc-neo, i'm not expert on linux... my vga lubuntu find automatical. search 2mx driver for ubuntu or ask some experts there.
[16:01] <bigjocker> Modris_, tried restricted drivers?
[16:02] <Modris_> bigjocker, thank that not for me. I dont have problems, irc-neo was...
[16:02] <bigjocker> oh
[16:02] <bigjocker> sorry
[19:51] <tadpole_jackson> what the fu
[19:51] <tadpole_jackson> how can you drop support for the via c3
[19:52] <tadpole_jackson> x86 is supposed to be x86
[19:52] <tadpole_jackson> how can you make it not work and what does this mean to me?
[19:52] <bioterror> your cpu is crappy :D
[19:52] <bioterror> it's not i686
[19:52] <bioterror> it's i586
[19:52] <bioterror> use 10.04
[19:53] <tadpole_jackson> what happens if i don't
[19:53] <tadpole_jackson> the live environment worked fine
[19:54] <tadpole_jackson> it's a Nehemiah C3, it should have SSE and SSE2
[19:55] <bioterror> almost 10 years old cpu's
[19:55] <tadpole_jackson> more like 5 but okay
[19:55] <bioterror> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_VIA_C3_microprocessors
[19:56] <tadpole_jackson> cool.
[19:56] <tadpole_jackson> i have a nehemiah
[19:56] <tadpole_jackson> from 05
[19:56] <tadpole_jackson> it's a new core, not the same thing
[19:58] <tadpole_jackson> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Via_C3#Nehemiah_cores
[19:58] <bioterror> Nehemiah should be i686
[19:58] <bioterror> Ezra is i586
[19:58] <tadpole_jackson> so if i'm using an i686 i can disregard the lack of kernel support?
[19:58] <tadpole_jackson> the live cd booted and functioned
[19:59] <bioterror> sounds weird
[19:59] <bioterror> if livecd works, why installation does not
[19:59] <bioterror> boot into single user mode and check logs
[19:59] <tadpole_jackson> installation didn't not work
[19:59] <tadpole_jackson> i just don't have enough memory to pull it off
[19:59] <tadpole_jackson> so i'm installing onto it's drive from another computer
[20:00] <bioterror> !mini | tadpole_jackson
[20:00] <bioterror> use that and lubuntu-core then
[21:12] <melinda> hi all... quick question.... why does Lubuntu set the DESKTOP_SESSION environment variable to 'Lubuntu' and not 'LXDE'
[21:13] <melinda> this causes problems with some scripts that do Desktop Environment detection using that method... in particular xdg-open!
[21:13] <melinda> hence the annoying problem that pcmanfm isn't used to chromium to open folders...
[21:15] <melinda> I've fixed the problem by making xdg-open check for both LXDE and Lubuntu values, but I suspect the /correct/ fix is to make Lubuntu set the variable to the standard LXDE value, which is already neatly handled by xdg-open


[11:25] <mgedmin> darkxst, thanks!
[12:49] <darklight_> darkxst, ping
[23:01] <c_smith> just to refresh my memory, but this channel can be used to discuss alphas, betas and RCs of Ubuntu Gnome, correct?
[23:02] <darkxst> yes
[23:02] <c_smith> cool
[23:03] <c_smith> I'm liking what I see in the 14.04 release so far, just wish I knew enough to help with more than byte size bug fixes
[23:05] <darkxst> thats a good start though, any bug fix is appreciated
[23:05] <c_smith> true.
[23:06] <c_smith> one of my goals (which I've stated to bkerensa) is to eventually learn enough to tackle larger bugs. :D
[23:06] <c_smith> though I don't intend to go into kernel development. XD
[23:08] <darkxst> many of the bugs are fairly small, once you find the cause
[23:09] <c_smith> darkxst, true.
[23:09] <c_smith> tomorrow is probably going to be a bug fixing day for me.
[23:09] <c_smith> get as many as I can.
[23:12] <darkxst> cool


[04:39] <arraybolt3> Well, I think #ubuntu-sponsors is ready for use. Does anyone mind if I advertise it in #ubuntu-devel? Asking in advance since the guide for making a new IRC channel requested I do so.
[04:41] <sarnold> fine by me, anyway :)
[04:43] <arraybolt3> :) Thanks, I'll wait for a bit more input just to make sure I'm not running ahead. Thank you guys for your help btw, I would have been too scared and way too inexperienced to try and make an IRC channel alone.
[04:44] <sarnold> dreamwork makes the teamwork or something :)
[04:46] <arraybolt3> Heh, I like it.
[06:06] <JackFrost> I mean don't *spam* it, and if people/someone doesn't want to join then don't push it, but hey.
[06:15] <arraybolt3> +1


 I'm a first time xubuntu/linux user
[01:12] <stormybaby> Can anyone help me with the fonts on firefox? I don't like the way they are displayed
[01:12] <stormybaby> How can I make them look more like firefox in Windows?
[05:12] <than0> Hi. How do I disable the annoying buzz sound in console and firefox?
[05:12] <than0> i tried to disable by using sound alerts setting in sound mixer preference, but this has no effect.
[05:13] <than0> The error sound sounds like the old style PC beeps, but more annoying..
[06:11] <Tesssa> i am using xubuntu 9.10 set to automatic login but now and again it starts up with the login window and i have try several times typing in my password  untill eventually it works anyone tell me why it does this please
[07:24] <aigon> Does ubuntu provide free storage?
[07:25] <psycho_oreos> sorta doubt it, why?
[09:30] <kpel> Hi guys. Does Xubuntu 9.10 support EeePC 1000 out of the box? Do things like wifi, webcam, bluetooth "just work"?
[13:11] <Animagladius> Huhu.
[13:51] <wrgb> Animagladius: do you have a question?
[13:54] <Animagladius> Nope, I'm here to help other people, if needed. But thanks. :)
[13:55] <wrgb> Animagladius: yeah, me too:)
[14:06] <druid_> hello
[14:07] <likemindead> !hi | druid_
[14:07] <druid_> I have a problem with xfce eating my Escape keys
[14:08] <druid_> when I run xev and press Escape the actions I get is FocusOut - FocusIn
[14:09] <druid_> instead of the usual KeyPressed - KeyReleased
[14:10] <druid_> does anyone know what might be the problem?
[14:10] <MoonTiger> hi :)
[14:11] <druid_> Hello MoonTiger
[14:12] <MoonTiger> so i'm finding the bluetooth completely foobar'd in karmic xubuntu ... is it just me?
[14:19] <likemindead> My laptop is hanging on shut down and never powers off. Anyone else having this issue & know how to address it?
[14:19] <MoonTiger> i have had that related to bluetooth ... do you have a bluetooth adapter built in?
[14:19] <charlie-tca> Yes, others are seeing this in 9.10. Don't know how to fix it yet
[14:20] <charlie-tca> bug 475920
[14:20] <likemindead> Ah.
[14:20] <charlie-tca> if you could add any information that will help. Also, you might add what your hardware is.
[14:21] <likemindead> No, MoonTiger, this laptop doesn't have Bluetooth.
[14:21] <MoonTiger> ok
[14:21] <charlie-tca> At least add that you experience it. gives me better grounds to confirm it
[14:21] <likemindead> Link to bug, charlie-tca ?
[14:22] <charlie-tca> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/475920
[14:23] <likemindead> Gracias.
[14:23] <charlie-tca> No, thank you
[14:25] <MoonTiger> ahhhhhhh i'm seeing this too ... last night i thought i had shut my other laptop down but today it was actually still on with a blank screen
[14:25] <MoonTiger> hmmmmmmm karmic is looking a little shaky right now
[14:25] <charlie-tca> It seems so, at times.
[14:25] <likemindead> All the bad press is really frustrating. ;-(
[14:25] <MoonTiger> wonder if its worth going back to jaunty for a while more
[14:26] <likemindead> "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!"
[14:26] <charlie-tca> It might be, MoonTiger
[14:26] <charlie-tca> likemindead: agreed
[14:26] <charlie-tca> but I wonder how much is because we have grown so much?
[14:26] <charlie-tca> If Microsoft wasn't running scared of us, would you see so much press?
[14:26] <MoonTiger> likemindead, i know the sky isnt falling and i know they will iron out the problems but i do need to actually be able to use my computers for work stuff so i cannot have serious issues like this happening
[14:27] <likemindead> Sorry, MoonTiger, that wasn't directed at you, but at the bad press reactionaries.
[14:27] <MoonTiger> i just think the 6 month release regardless is wrong
[14:27] <MoonTiger> likemindead, oh sorry ;)
[14:27] <MoonTiger> if it isnt ready it isnt ready so dont release
[14:28] <charlie-tca> For some, we are like ms now, gotta wait 6 months to iron out the wrinkles before upgrading. For others, the need to upgrade is right now.
[14:28] <likemindead> I just try to tell people to use the LTS in most cases. I tell them the six-month releases are for bleeding edge, risk takers.
[14:28] <charlie-tca> Intel video is working again in 9.10
[14:28] <MoonTiger> charlie-tca, i have an ati card so im screwed with either
[14:29] <charlie-tca> sorry! for you, a couple of months, at least, before upgrading.
[14:29] <MoonTiger> i will give karmic until i do a clean install of the release version of 7 to come right otherwise i'll wipe and go back to jaunty til its fixed i think
[14:30] <MoonTiger> and likemindead you are right ... MS is making sure any small glitches with anything else gets a lot of press
[14:30] <Pres-Gas> There was bound to be some hickups with this release because of so much underlying things changing (ext4, upstart, grub2)...
[14:30] <MoonTiger> yah agreed
[14:30] <charlie-tca> Some of the items were already fixed in updates, but I don't think the shutdown issue was even known.
[14:31] <MoonTiger> i think maybe they should have delayed launch for another 2 weeks or so to find these things
[14:31] <Pres-Gas> I just wish they would have held out on grub2 until upstream had good documentation on it...that is my only beef.  Right now, Ubu has the best, but last I checked it is burried in the wiki
[14:31] <MoonTiger> i mean a week between RC and RTM isn't very long
[14:31] <charlie-tca> But those who test it still haven't seen these things
[14:31] <charlie-tca> The only ones seeing them did not do the tests
[14:32] <MoonTiger> with a longer RC period they might have gotten more reports
[14:32] <likemindead> I'm hearing that Xubuntu 9.10 is having fewer issues than Ubuntu 9.10 ;-)
[14:32] <likemindead> At least from my LUG.
[14:33] <charlie-tca> We have fewer users, too
[14:33] <likemindead> Xfce FTW!
[14:33] <MoonTiger> well im on xubuntu and having these issues
[14:33] <charlie-tca> yes
[14:34] <charlie-tca> and every user with issues counts
[14:34] <MoonTiger> i mean i have a pretty common laptop i think ... a thinkpad
[14:34] <Pres-Gas> charlie-tca is right...if more people used it, that stuff would be revealed as well.
[14:34] <MoonTiger> so its not like i have some really obscure hardware
[14:35] <MoonTiger> funnily enough the newer thinkpad has less issues
[14:35] <charlie-tca> Unfortunately, thinkpads are also some of the most difficult to get working right in Linux, MoonTiger
[14:36] <charlie-tca> There are whole websites dedicated to solving thinkpad issues
[14:36] <MoonTiger> charlie-tca, huh?? the frdora guys develop on thinkpads
[14:36] <MoonTiger> my thinkpad t500 has no issues at all
[14:36] <Sysi> they are rather common, that's good
[14:36] <charlie-tca> Great!
[14:37] <MoonTiger> my older t41p has the bluetooth and shutdown problems
[14:37] <MoonTiger> otherwise it runs great with karmic
[14:37] <MoonTiger> and im loving the firefix 3.5 integration finally
[14:37] <charlie-tca> That's why I asked for the hardware info on the bug report
[14:38] <charlie-tca> Maybe it is limited to specific hardware
[14:38] <MoonTiger> its just odd that older hardware breaks ... usually the other way round
[14:39] <charlie-tca> The Newest breaks, too
[14:50] <likemindead> Later, all. Peace.
[14:57] <charlie-tca> OpenWeek session - Xubuntu Team in 3 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[15:33] <bensherman> Hey guys, gdm is launghing xfce4 and immideatly crashing - where are the logs?  I'm new to ubuntu
[15:33] <bensherman> *launching
[15:52] <_Pete_> /var/log
[18:26] <than0> Anyone having problem with Xubuntu karmic booting up to desktop?
[18:27] <than0> After last night's update (proposed), GDM doesn't start automatically, mousepad doesn't work, and a lot of modules don't autoload. networking stopped working
[18:28] <likemindead> I was having issues, but this morning's updates fixed them, than0.
[18:29] <than0> likemindead, similar issues?
[18:29] <than0> no gdm after update?
[18:29] <likemindead> I have it set to auto-login, so I'm not sure. :-
[18:29] <than0> alas, I have no network after last night's update (which seemed to have updated xorg)..
[18:30] <than0> so I can't update.. and I have no live boot disk as I did net install for xubuntu.
[18:30]  * than0 using ubuntu now
[18:38] <slyboots> Hello, Im curious if anyone can throw me a bit of advice.  Changed Ubuntu-server to Xubuntu but I cant seem to get Xfce to ..start as default
[18:38] <slyboots> Its for a headless server, but I often NX into it so.. need a UI
[19:41] <Tonno> Hi to all :)
[19:51] <Tonno> Can i use AWM in xubuntu without usi compiz?
[19:53] <Sysi> yes
[19:53] <Sysi> just use xfce's own compozing
[19:55] <Xubuntus> Hi, everyone. Anyone with sound working and ALC833 (or the Motherboard MSI K9VGM-V)?
[19:56] <Tonno> Sysi, thannks :)
[20:02] <Tonno> Sysi, oh my god it look awesome! :D
[20:04] <KushVapors> anyone here?
[20:05] <subspider> yes sir
[20:05] <Xubuntus> Hi, everyone. Anyone with sound working and ALC883 (or the Motherboard MSI K9VGM-V)?   (I Changed to 883, from the above line.)
[20:05] <KushVapors> has anyone used synce?
[20:08] <subspider> you mean tu sincronize mobile devices??
[20:08] <KushVapors> yes
[20:08] <subspider> no
[20:09] <subspider> not me
[20:09] <KushVapors> it uses gvfs
[20:09] <subspider> but what is your question??
[20:09] <KushVapors> is that compatible with thunar
[20:11] <subspider> you mean if it runs on xfce
[20:12] <KushVapors> i guess
[20:12] <subspider> ok
[20:12] <subspider> i'm installing
[20:12] <hannes|> why does xubuntu not provide their artwork via xfce-look.org or gnome-art.org?
[20:12] <KushVapors> gvfs is supposed to interact with fuse
[20:22] <subspider> i can't pu it running
[20:24] <KushVapors> http://www.synce.org/moin/SynceTools
[20:24] <subspider> i can
[20:24] <subspider> it's running
[20:24] <subspider> ok
[20:24] <subspider> it's easy
[20:24] <subspider> go to synaptic
[20:25] <subspider> Applications -> system > synaptic
[20:25] <subspider> then
[20:25] <subspider> you install go find for synce
[20:26] <subspider> you click to install the packge synce-kpm
[20:26] <KushVapors> yea i installed synce but i need to go to synce:/// in thunar to access my phone
[20:26] <subspider> then you apply and wait
[20:26] <subspider> hm you want to open the application
[20:26] <subspider> ??
[20:27] <KushVapors> no access my phone
[20:27] <KushVapors> its used to access smartphones
[20:28] <KushVapors> i could open my phone in nautilus but cant in thunar
[20:29] <subspider> sorry can't help you
[20:29] <subspider> what is you phone
[20:29] <subspider> ??
[20:29] <KushVapors> htc touch
[20:29] <subspider> hm
[20:30] <KushVapors> jus wonderin if there is a way to browse its memory usin thunar
[20:32] <subspider> you want to mount
[20:33] <KushVapors> yea
[20:34] <subspider> ok
[20:34] <subspider> i think it's no dificult
[20:34] <subspider> if you use some of these comands
[20:34] <subspider> http://www.myhtcphone.com/node/18
[20:35] <subspider> and you need to know the list of disck on your system
[20:35] <subspider> there for it's easy i think
[20:35] <Tonno> Sysi, i removed AWN :( i cannot put it on the top of the screen :(
[20:35] <subspider> but i don't know if windwos mobile blocks something
[20:36] <Sysi> Tonno: do you know, this is so weird
[20:36] <Sysi> i also just test it
[20:36] <Sysi> and thought if i can put it on top
[20:36] <subspider> have to go sorry i can't help more
[20:37] <Tonno> u did it? :S
[20:37] <KushVapors> k thnx subspider
[20:38]  * Tonno dont know to much english, sorry i made wierd question.
[20:38] <Sysi> Tonno: no, just thought if it's possible
[20:38] <Sysi> i tell thing weirdly very propably :P
[20:39] <Tonno> Sysi, well i start searching on google, i didnt see anyway that make awn on top of the screen, the only thing that i saw is that i can put awn on the right and left of the screen, but not vertical.
[20:40] <Tonno> Sysi, i saw it in a launchpad.
[20:41] <Tonno> Sysi, once of the members of awn say that they are working on it. let see for the next version.
[21:00] <Person[a]> good evening
[21:15] <phatty> hello is this place for assistance with xubuntu?
[21:15] <knome> phatty, yes
[21:15] <phatty> thank you.
[21:15] <Person[a]> hi charlie-tca, I've added some information
[21:15] <Person[a]> to the shutdown bug
[21:15] <charlie-tca> Thanks, Person[a]
[21:16] <charlie-tca> That's greatly appreciately again.
[21:16] <phatty> I just upgraded to xubuntu 9.10 from previous version and the wireless fails to connect to my wireless router. any suggestions? used to work before upgrade
[21:16] <phatty> I can still "see" the networks, just can't connect even with security off
[21:16] <Person[a]> you are very wellcome
[21:17] <phatty> but it's fine with the wired connection
[21:19] <phatty> any ideas?
[21:20] <charlie-tca> phatty: what is the wireless card?
[21:20] <phatty> it's a USB linksys network adapter (wireless)
[21:21] <charlie-tca> Try it in a different USB port
[21:21] <phatty> is it ok to try it while I'm connected on hardwire?
[21:21] <phatty> meaning will I still be in here.
[21:22] <charlie-tca> It will not allow both a wired and a wireless connection at the same time.
[21:22] <phatty> ok, brb
[21:22] <charlie-tca> Sorry
[21:22] <phatty> it's cool.
[21:22] <phatty> I'm going to come in her ewith a dif computer
[21:23] <phatty> and then try with laptop all the ideas
[21:23] <charlie-tca> Okay,
[21:23] <phatty> should've though of that first.
[21:23] <Phatsac> this is phatty on dif pc
[21:27] <Phatsac> I"m thinking there may be something wrong with the driver because the connection % is waaaay lower than it used to be
[21:28] <Phatsac> and I'm right next to the wireless router right now. Usually about 50 feet away
[21:28] <charlie-tca> but connected?
[21:28] <Phatsac> make that about 30ft
[21:28] <Phatsac> it's not showing a % anymore but there's only one green bar out of al of them green
[21:28] <Phatsac> and will not connect in any of the 4 usb ports I have
[21:29] <charlie-tca> Which connection is poor, then?
[21:29] <Phatsac> now will not connect online at all.
[21:30] <Phatsac> But from the window where I can see what wireless networks are available, the graphical representation of connectivity strength appears lower than it used to prior to this upgrade.
[21:37] <Phatsac> any ideas?
[21:38] <charlie-tca> I don't really know. I am not good on wireless.
[21:38] <Phatsac> neither am I.
[21:38] <Phatsac> lol
[21:39] <Phatsac> wireless frustrates the crap out of me.
[21:39] <Phatsac> I'm much more familiar with windows.
[21:39] <Phatsac> anything like "drivers" on ubuntu
[21:40] <charlie-tca> You can try asking in #ubuntu or ##beginners-help
[21:40] <Phatsac> now that I think of it... I remember my g/f trying to connect a webcam to this computer
[21:40] <charlie-tca> They have more users
[21:40] <Phatsac> maybe conflicting.
[21:40] <Phatsac> ok, thanks.
[21:48] <Phatty> charlie..
[21:48] <Phatty> are there "drivers" in xubuntu like windows?
[21:49] <charlie-tca> for some stuff, yes. For most items, the drivers are built in.
[21:49] <charlie-tca> The wireless drivers are mostly built into the kernel in Xubuntu
[21:50] <Phatty> that means it's with the OS right?
[21:50] <charlie-tca> They are integrated into the core, because it works better that way.
[21:50] <charlie-tca> right
[21:50] <Phatty> ok, understood
[21:50] <Phatty> I'll fiddle with it some more.
[21:50] <Phatty> I'm not sure if my g/f did something trying to get a webcam to work also.
[21:50] <Phatty> But I think this happened after the upgrade.
[21:51] <charlie-tca> Hard to say
[21:53] <Phatty> about ready to throw this POS out the window
[21:53] <Phatty> but I dont like my g/f using my computer
[21:53] <Phatty> this is for her to screw up. lol
[21:54] <charlie-tca> Just repost the question every 3-4 hours and see if someone else can help out.
[21:55] <Phatty> the laptop might be on the lawn by then. lol
[21:55] <Phatty> thanks though.
[21:56] <charlie-tca> Wish I could be help.
[21:56] <Phatty> just that you're nice enough to try is helpful
[21:56] <Phatty> much appreciated.
[21:57] <charlie-tca> No problem. That is what most of us are here for.
[22:01] <slow-motion> hi
[22:32] <Vyacheslav> Hey.
[22:32] <Vyacheslav> I got Windows 98 on a 60GB HD
[22:32] <Vyacheslav> and right now, I'm installing Xubuntu on a 20GB slave
[22:32] <Vyacheslav> 1GHz 512mb RAM
[22:32] <Vyacheslav> How will Xubuntu run?
[23:32] <MD-11> hi i am new with linux. I installed ubuntu server , and then xfce.... now i am having a hell trouble to set up my screen resolution...i followed several steps on how to configure the xorg.conf file but i didnt suceeded! I am getting the fonts completely small, and the resolution which is 1366x768 is not correct displayed
[23:32] <MD-11> any help?
[23:33] <knome> MD-11, install xubuntu-desktop package would be my first adice
[23:33] <knome> *advice
[23:33] <MD-11> yeah i did it already
[23:33] <MD-11> i have the xubuntu-desktop
[23:35] <knome> MD-11, right. you can set font size from applications -> settings -> appearance -> tab fonts
[23:35] <MD-11> thanks knome...and what about the screen resolution?
[23:36] <knome> MD-11, that should be probed automatically, but you could look at applications -> settings -> display. you might also need a propietary driver to enable the highest possible resolution, which you can enable from applications -> system -> hardware driverd
[23:37] <MD-11> ill give a try knome...the server is at my living room....i come back here if i suceed or not! THANKS
[23:37] <knome> MD-11, np
[23:41] <MD-11> hey knome...the fonts are so small that i cannot even read it!!! That started after changing xorg.conf...
[23:41] <knome> MD-11, maybe you should remove whatever you changed in xorg.conf
[23:42] <MD-11> i'll give a try, and ill set to 800x600 to see the results
[23:46] <MD-11> knome do i have to restart the comp after changing xorg.conf?
[23:46] <knome> MD-11, you need to restart X, but booting would be a good way to do that
[23:47] <MD-11> i did it, but how can i restart just X?!
[23:53] <MD-11> knome, no way to make that change, what would be an ultimate solution...reinstalling xubuntu-desktop?!
[23:54] <knome> MD-11, no, i don't think that would help
[23:54] <knome> MD-11, are you sure the xorg.conf is as it was before you fiddled with it?
[23:54] <MD-11> do you have a default xorg.conf? that comes with the original?
[23:55] <knome> no, i'm afraid i don't. also, the xorg.conf is a bit differente depending on the hardware configuration
[23:55] <MD-11> no i cant be 100% sure because i barely can read what is there! however i did a blind change, just erasing and typing again
[23:56] <MD-11> anyway i cant find the font size that you told me
[23:56] <MD-11> i went to application -> settings -> manager
[23:56] <MD-11> and there i tried both desktop and display
[23:56] <MD-11> and didnt find anything


[02:38] <juliux> hi
[02:38] <juliux> has somebody allready dvd/cd covers for gutsy?
[03:02] <penguincentral> hi everybody
[03:04] <popey> juliux: I guess canonical must have done the artwork already
[03:05] <juliux> popey, but normaly they dont do a dvd cover
[03:05] <popey> oh, ok, sorry, didn't realise you meant dvd specifically
[03:06] <juliux> we want to burn dvds for the german ubucon
[03:10] <juliux> but we want to have them with a nice dvd cover
[03:11] <popey> you could get the artwork off the wiki and modify it?
[03:11] <penguincentral> hold on a minute, ubuntu actually sells dvds?
[03:11] <juliux> penguincentral, we will burn them ourself;)
[03:11] <juliux> popey, hmm there is no gutsy artwork atm
[03:11] <penguincentral> juliux: what sort of artwork?
[03:12] <juliux> for example i am searching for a gibbon;9
[03:13] <popey> juliux: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/DVDCover?highlight=%28artwork%29
[03:14] <juliux> popey, that is only feisty;) i have everything without gutsy;)
[03:14] <penguincentral> juliux, popey: where do you sell these?
[03:14] <juliux> penguincentral, we dont sell these
[03:14] <juliux> we will distribut them at the german ubucon
[03:14] <penguincentral> what is an ubucon?
[03:14] <popey> juliux: sure but you could modify them?
[03:15] <popey> Ubuntu Conference
[03:15] <popey> UBU  CON
[03:15] <juliux> popey, that cost a lot of tim, so my first idea was to use something that allreay existes
[03:15] <penguincentral> popey: thanks
[03:15] <popey> juliux: just translate what someone else has done, it wont take long
[03:15] <penguincentral> yet another conference which _I_ can not attend
[03:16] <juliux> popey, i have german texts i am only searching for the basic art work, but there is only artwork for feisty not for gutsy
[03:16] <penguincentral> there has to be an event staged in Melbourne Australia one day
[03:16] <popey> penguincentral: organise one
[03:16] <penguincentral> popey: you going to help pay for one...
[03:17] <juliux> penguincentral, for what you need money?
[03:18] <penguincentral> juliux: if i were to run an ubuncon in my home city, i'd need to hire a venue, source stall furniture, among other things
[03:18] <penguincentral> unless...
[03:18] <popey> you can seek sponsorship
[03:18] <juliux> penguincentral, why? go to your local university and ask for rooms
[03:19] <penguincentral> ok
[03:19] <penguincentral> juliux: i can get people to pay for their own accommondation and food i guess
[03:19] <penguincentral> what about printing promotional materials etc
[03:19] <penguincentral> even making the name tags that make you feel a part of the event
[03:19] <juliux> penguincentral, you can
[03:19] <popey> accomodation and food is not your responsibility
[03:20] <juliux> penguincentral, we don t pay everything to people
[03:20] <penguincentral> popey: that's what I was saying
[03:20] <popey> name badges can be done via sponsorship
[03:20] <juliux> we only have cost for the rent for the rooms and the marketing stuff
[03:20] <popey> get some company to pay for them and put their logo on the back
[03:20] <penguincentral> popey: sounds interesting
[03:20] <popey> lugradio live got sponsorship from google, sun, bytemark
[03:21] <penguincentral> lugradio got sponsorship from google out of all companies
[03:21] <popey> ya
[03:21] <popey> and they got Chris DiBona to speak there
[03:21] <popey> he's a nice guy
[03:21] <penguincentral> that's pretty good
[03:22] <popey> someone should make a "planning events" page on the wiki
[03:22] <penguincentral> that would be useful
[03:22] <penguincentral> it could teach me how to do it
[03:22] <penguincentral> like how popey created the how to make screencasts wiki page
[03:23] <penguincentral> it was useful
[03:23] <penguincentral> popey, juliux: would you fly up to Australia if there was a _insert_ _name_ _of_ _ubuntu_ _conference_ here_?
[03:24] <penguincentral> i understand that it is a long and expensive flight
[03:27] <penguincentral> popey: juliux: i _need_ to go to bed now.  nice chatting to you guys.  cya
[03:28] <juliux> popey, i think there are allready how to run a ubucon wiki pages
[03:28] <juliux> penguincentral, general yes but i can t pay the flight to australia;9
[03:29] <penguincentral> eh, if you find it, tell popey to email me with the link. cya
[03:29] <juliux> popey, btw it is very hard to find some sponsors for an event that happens the first time;)
[03:30] <popey> yeah, so really you need to start small
[03:30] <juliux> penguincentral, popey https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity/RunningAnUbucon
[03:30] <penguincentral> thanks
[03:30] <juliux> but i don t used this wiki site for the german ubucon;)
[03:31] <penguincentral> bye
[03:31] <juliux> popey, we e-mailed all ubuntu partners in german, austria and switzerland
[03:31] <juliux> that are more then 60 companies and we get exactly _one_ response
[03:32] <juliux> and that response was sorry we cant do it this year because we are a very small company and we just started a few weeks bevor your e-mail
[08:17] <zleap> hello
[08:21] <zleap> hello
[11:43] <ryanakca> who's in charge of ubuntu.com ?
[11:43] <ryanakca> (other than canonical webhosting... might as well specifie... who designed the "Get Ubuntu" page/subpages?)
[11:44] <ryanakca> s/specifie/specify/


[12:13] <Mithrandir> yay, lib* done
[12:15] <Fujitsu> Mithrandir: How long does this all generally take to build?
[12:15] <Mithrandir> Fujitsu: I don't know, a week maybe?
[12:16] <cjwatson> usually not that long IIRC
[12:16] <Mithrandir> cjwatson: remember that etch released some time ago, so Debian will have quite an influx of new versions of stuff.
[12:17] <Mithrandir> oh well, anyway, it'll take a while.
[12:19] <cjwatson> true
[12:20] <geser> we have 6 months to get it build :)
[12:20] <Mithrandir> heh
[12:22] <Mithrandir> cjwatson: the sync process seems to be going quite happily.  I think I'll just head off for the night and run process-incoming in the morning.  It's either that or cancel it now and run process-incoming now.
[12:22] <infinity> Mithrandir: Best to wait until doko's fixed the python mess.
[12:23] <infinity> Mithrandir: So we don't have to retry the world on sparc/powerpc.
[12:23] <Fujitsu> infinity's alive!
[12:23] <infinity> Fujitsu: Am not.
[12:23] <lifeless> but are you countable ?
[12:24] <Mithrandir> infinity: that too.
[12:24] <Mithrandir> oh, I shouldn't have said that about it running fine.
[12:24] <Fujitsu> Mithrandir: It just imploded?
[12:24] <Mithrandir> yes, fell over on mol.
[12:24] <cjwatson> Mithrandir: *nod*
[12:24] <Mithrandir> which it really, really shouldn't.
[12:24] <Mithrandir> well, blacklisted, bed.
[12:25] <geser> infinity: any progress on bug #87077?
[12:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 87077 in launchpad-buildd "The build of xmms2 fails because of HASH(0x82db558)="" in the environment" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87077
[01:04] <BenC> Can I get linux-source processed through NEW for gutsy please?
[01:13] <cjwatson> BenC: source accepted
[01:13] <BenC> cjwatson: thanks...I've got lrm uploading too, if you'll be around in 15 minutes
[01:14] <cjwatson> unlikely
[01:14] <cjwatson> it'd have to wait for the main kernel to build anyway
[02:00] <jcole> on ubuntu feisty, this site crashes firefox -> http://www.crashie.com
[02:01] <jcole> $ firefox http://www.crashie.com
[02:01] <jcole> /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/firefox/components/libmyspell.so: undefined symbol: _ZN8Hunspell5spellEPKc
[02:03] <jcole> it's *supposed* to crash ie, but it also crashes ubuntu firefox
[02:04] <lifeless> lol
[02:04] <lifeless> bug compatability
[02:04] <jcole> mozilla (aka iceape) works perfectly fine
[02:04] <BenC> jcole: doesn't for me
[02:05] <jcole> from the mozilla devs:
[02:05] <jcole> (04:59:22 PM) bz: talk to whoever built your Firefox
[02:05] <jcole> (04:59:25 PM) bz: they screwed up
[02:06] <jcole> same thing
[02:06] <bhale> who did build your firefox?
[02:06] <bhale> because it does no such thing here
[02:07] <jcole> came from pool/main/f/firefox/firefox_<IP_ADDRESS>+1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[02:07] <lifeless> bhale: do you have that myspell.so ?
[02:08] <bhale> lifeless: nope.
[02:09] <jcole> $ dpkg -L firefox | grep libmyspell.so
[02:09] <jcole> /usr/lib/firefox/components/libmyspell.so
[02:09] <bhale> lifeless: actually, i do.
[02:09] <bhale> heh
[02:10] <lifeless> ldd and nm are your friends at this point
[02:10] <lifeless> find where that symbol is coming from
[02:11] <Nafallo> nafallo@silverfairy:~ $ LANG="C" grep _ZN8Hunspell5spellEPKc /usr/lib/firefox/components/libmyspell.so
[02:11] <Nafallo> Binary file /usr/lib/firefox/components/libmyspell.so matches
[02:11] <Nafallo> so far so good
[02:14] <jcole> $ md5sum /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin /usr/lib/firefox/components/libmyspell.so
[02:14] <jcole> 10c64c95e06cff7f6b8994070ddd2a64  /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin
[02:14] <jcole> 5d8c9da487f3c07ea486281200e9d7d6  /usr/lib/firefox/components/libmyspell.so
[02:14] <jcole> Nafallo: ^^^ is that the same on your system?
[02:15] <Nafallo> yes
[02:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107340 in firefox "[EDGY]  firefox crashed [@ mozSpellChecker::GetCurrentDictionary]  [@ mozSpellI18NManagerConstructor] " [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107340
[04:45] <mario> hi jdong
[04:46] <jdong> hi mario
[04:46] <jdong> how's things?
[04:46] <mario> bad :( I'm sick, and have high temperature, and I gotta work :(
[04:46] <jdong> aww, sorry to hear that
[04:46] <jdong> I've got something that will make you feel even worse.....
[04:46] <jdong> /dev/sdb1 on /mnt type reiser4 (rw,noatime,nodiratime)
[04:47] <jdong> LOL
[04:47] <mario> heh :P
[04:47] <mario> how is it going ? :)
[04:47] <jdong> it's only been 15 minutes with it.... but I must say I am impressed
[04:47] <mario> hehe, is that stable enough?
[04:47] <jdong> I'm rsyncing my root to it as a benchmark
[04:48] <jdong> I know XFS took 1h45m to do this task
[04:48] <jdong> so far it's been 15m and it's already like 40% done
[04:48] <mario> nice, but watch out for reliability
[04:48] <jdong> I know, I know, that will be a long term judgement
[04:48] <jdong> I did two power-off tests
[04:48] <jdong> actually, unplug USB tests.
[04:48] <jdong> a 300MB TV episode
[04:48] <jdong> copied a second 350MB one into it.
[04:48] <jdong> (overwrite)
[04:49] <jdong> pulled out disk 15 seconds later
[04:49] <jdong> after a mount, md5sum matches original 300MB episode
[04:49] <jdong> very impressive considering it writes at raw speed of the device (30MB/s)
[04:49] <jdong> it will be interesting to see how long term stability is....
[04:49] <jdong> and also if it has any severe weaknesses
[04:49] <mario> nod^^
[04:50] <jdong> but I plan to test that over the course of the next few weeks
[04:50] <jdong> I used reiser4 on 2.6.8 when it was first released, while running Gentoo
[04:50] <jdong> (before Ubuntu days...)
[04:50] <jdong> I liked it back then, but found in Ubuntu rolling my own kernel was too much work
[04:50] <mario> I know when 2.6.8 was :P
[04:50] <jdong> lol, I'm sorry I'm belittling you :P
[04:50] <mario> it was when jorg started complaining that kernel devs are filtering all the scsi stuff :P
[04:51] <jdong> have you heard of this KDE thing? I've heard like it's another operating system on Linux or something. ;-)
[04:51] <jdong> LOL
[04:51] <mario> aggresive filtering was introduced in .8 and .9, it was fine-tuned since then, but oh well
[04:52] <mario> jdong, what's KDE? Never heard of that toy.
[04:52] <jdong> lol
[04:52] <jdong> I do notice that reiser4 uses pretty high CPU compared to other FS'es
[04:52] <jdong> this rsync is using like 30% of one core
[04:52] <jdong> but CPU usage for blazing fast IO? I'm willing to make that tradeoff
[04:53] <jdong> I just wish one could buy more IO speed for more CPU :D
[05:32] <Hobbsee> hi
[05:36] <jsgotangco> hey Hobbsee
[05:37] <Hobbsee> hi spam :)
[05:37] <Hobbsee> how's it going?
[05:37] <jsgotangco> ah well just waiting for lunch really
[05:37] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:42] <ajmitch> hey Hobbsee
[05:42] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch
[06:16] <fabbione> morning
[06:22] <ajmitch> morning fabbione
[07:03] <Amaranth> tepsipakki: is xlib going to use xcb again in gutsy?
[07:16] <fabbione> what's the equivalen of if [ -n "$var" ]  in perl?
[07:24] <Seveas> fabbione, something like 'if $var =~ m/.+/' would do it but there probabl are better ways :)
[07:27] <fabbione> Seveas: thanks
[07:37] <mpt> I have sound again!
[07:39] <tepsipakki> Amaranth: yes, although you should ask bryce about X in the future ;)
[07:39] <Amaranth> X is the new firefox!
[07:56] <tepsipakki> Amaranth: meaning.. ?
[07:57] <Amaranth> tepsipakki: you touch it you own it, the person responsible for it changes all the time :)
[07:57] <tepsipakki> ah, ok :)
[07:58] <elkbuntu> ok who's the meanie that stole launchpad and wiki this time? :(
[07:59] <fabbione> elkbuntu: they are already working on it :)
[08:00] <fabbione> see #launchpad
[08:00] <Mithrandir> heh, I get "argument list too long" when I try to move all the syncs. :-P
[08:03] <fabbione> Mithrandir: did you make LP explode.. didn't you?
[08:04] <Mithrandir> no, I didn't.  I might make it explode now.
[08:18] <qiyong> why ntfs is read only? why not rw?
[08:21] <Fujitsu> !ntfs | qiyong
[08:26] <qiyong> Fujitsu, ubotu hungs
[08:27] <pitti> Good morning
[08:27] <Fujitsu> Hi pitti.
[08:28] <ajmitch> hey pitti
[08:33] <ubotu> qiyong: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[08:33] <sponix> anyone care about my ATI Radeon X1400 not working with Feisty (X7.2) like it did with 6.10 (X7.1)
[08:34] <sladen> sponix: regression?  what's the bug number?
[08:34] <sponix> sladen:  not sure if its filed, just thought I'd bring it up
[08:34] <tepsipakki> sponix: 89853
[08:34] <sladen> sponix: if it's not filed, then nobody will have seen it
[08:34] <sponix> had to install 55Meg ATI commercial driver from a thumbdrive to continue the installer :P
[08:35] <sponix> tepsipakki:  ok, so its being worked already ?
[08:35] <tepsipakki> yes, sort of
[08:35] <jdong> it is a known bug....
[08:35] <sladen> bug #89853
[08:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 89853 in xorg-server "[regression]  7.2 broke vesa: "No matching modes found"" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89853
[08:35] <sponix> well, X is to blame, openSuSE has the same issue with 7.2
[08:36] <Treenaks> We really really need a new/better ati driver 8)
[08:36] <sponix> is it just my X1400 ati card, or several cards ?
[08:36] <jdong> the whole X1x00 line
[08:37] <tepsipakki> it's a bug in the server
[08:38] <sponix> I go to ATI (amd), and hit the feedback all the time, and state "your drivers still blow, and you need to make a good opensource one"
[08:38] <sponix> honestly I felt that was pretty straight forward :P
[08:38] <tepsipakki> fedora has a patch for it, but when combined with a patch for the driver it makes the server to crash
[08:38] <jdong> sponix: from a company who wants to enforce DRM by locking the framebuffer, I would not waste your breath on AMD.
[08:39] <tepsipakki> maybe it's time to upload new server&vesa to feisty-proposed
[08:39] <jdong> I hope their $600m quarterly losses trend continues until they realize what their consumers want
[08:39] <jdong> wow... I'm cold today :)
[08:39] <sponix> jdong:  yeah, I use to hate Intel (wintel) for siding with Microsoft on so many things, but lately with the ATI/AMD merge, I'm looking more at the rare Intel/Nvidia boxen
[08:39] <sladen> tepsipakki: does that fix it, or just make things crash?
[08:39] <sponix> speaking of, is that intel 950 chip worth a shit, I see it in a bunch of laptops now
[08:39] <jdong> sponix: intell is OSS friendly....
[08:40] <sladen> sponix: Intel have the best Linux/Open drivers you'll get
[08:40] <jdong> sponix: and the GMA950 is the start of a better trend in GPU power
[08:40] <jdong> sponix: it's still not spectacular, but the GMA x3000 is due to be out this quarter
[08:40] <jdong> and next year's montavena is bringing even a better GMA
[08:41] <pitti> Mithrandir: can you please give-back hal on powerpc and sparc? it failed due to a python package inconsistency, but it looks fine now
[08:41] <jdong> Treenaks: via_sata has always been buggy for me
[08:41] <sponix> wtf is a GMA ?
[08:41] <jdong> at the BIOS level
[08:41] <Treenaks> jdong: no, I mean unichrome :)
[08:41] <Treenaks> jdong: the X thing
[08:41] <jdong> sponix: "graphics media accelerator"
[08:41] <sponix> so, I shouldn't be scared of getting a laptop with an intel video chip aye
[08:41] <jdong> a video card, in other words.
[08:41] <jdong> you should welcome Intel video
[08:41] <jdong> one of the best 100% OSS video cards
[08:41] <sponix> heard of gpu.. never gma :P
[08:41] <jdong> GMA is intel's branding
[08:41] <jdong> Intel GMA950
[08:41] <jdong> actually it's the Intel 945GMA
[08:42] <jdong> yay marketing bling
[08:42] <jdong> the more terms, the more likely people will say it?
[08:42] <pitti> Mithrandir: likewise avahi
[08:42] <jdong> and maybe your nickname for AMD should be amDRM too :D
[08:43] <Mithrandir> pitti: doing
[08:43] <tepsipakki> sladen: drpping the vesa-patch and adding one to server seems to work for at least some of the reporters
[08:43] <tepsipakki> +o
[08:44] <sponix> jdong:  thanks for the info
[08:44] <jdong> not a problem
[08:45] <sponix> crap I got right now doesn't even do beryl
[08:45] <jdong> yes it does
[08:45] <Mithrandir> pitti: both given back
[08:45] <jdong> set up Xgl
[08:45] <jdong> but this is very OT
[08:45] <sponix> OT ?
[08:45] <jdong> fwiw I have an x1400 mobile and have been running Xgl and Beryl since Dapper
[08:45] <pitti> Mithrandir: thanks
[08:46] <jdong> off topic... this is a developer channel
[08:46] <jdong> for development related topics
[08:46] <sponix> jdong:  fair enough, good to know anyway
[08:46] <jdong> yep :)
[08:46] <\sh> hmmmm...I just received an email from LP about my expiration of core-dev membership...and now I have to talk to the team admin ;) which is sabdfl... what is the correct way? talking to the tb on the 5th of may during the normal meeting, or talking to sabdfl?
[08:47] <sponix> I normally am off topic, thats why #ubuntu-offtopic is my main channel :P
[08:47] <sladen> tepsipakki: ping me when it's up and I'll test it here (Intel)
[08:48] <jdong> tepsipakki: same goes; I have the affected x1400 ; be glad to test
[08:48] <Mithrandir> pitti: have you seen the new gnome disk manager?
[08:48] <tepsipakki> sladen: you have problems with intel? This isn't for you, then ;)
[08:48] <sponix> jdong:  did you do the same thing I did, boot from CD, install commercial driver from thumbdrive, and proceed ? :)
[08:48] <pitti> Mithrandir: not yet; I hope it's more sensible than the old disks-admin
[08:48] <jdong> sponix: nope, I grabbed it from the repositories :)
[08:49] <Mithrandir> pitti: http://flomertens.free.fr/disk-manager/features.html , but you probably already have the URL.
[08:49] <tepsipakki> jdong: http://users.tkk.fi/~tjaalton/dpkg, grab the latest vesa and server
[08:49] <sponix> jdong:  sadly enough, I'm in Iraq on a _very_ restricted net most of the time, I have issues pulling anything :P
[08:49] <Mithrandir> pitti: might be nice to investigate and see how it fits in with the rest of our stack.
[08:49] <tepsipakki> how do I get a people.u.c account?
[08:49] <jdong> tepsipakki: will do... tomorrow... bed time
[08:49] <sponix> jdong:  speaking of, is there anyway I could get you to tarball ndiswrapper and all its deps (ndisgtk as well) for me ?
[08:50] <sponix> jdong:  I really want to get Feisty up to speed, but without ndiswrapper I'm shot, only open net I have is wireless
[08:50] <fabbione> tepsipakki: i don't think it's possible at the moment but you can try asking to our sysadmins
[08:51] <tepsipakki> fabbione: something b0rked?
[08:51] <Mithrandir> tepsipakki: currently, you don't, it's canonical employees only.  I'm not sure if we're looking at changing that, but maybe we should.
[08:51] <fabbione> tepsipakki: what Mithrandir said
[08:51] <tepsipakki> oh, I thought it was for core-devs
[08:51] <ajmitch> I think it's come up at TB meetings in the past
[08:51] <pitti> Mithrandir: thanks; I'll take a look at it a bit later
[08:51] <tepsipakki> nevermind then :)
[08:51] <sponix> jdong:  could I msg && bother you for a bit ?
[08:52] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: do you know if it has been resolved one way or the other?
[08:52] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: I don't think it was
[08:55] <Fujitsu> My recollection is that it was left unresolved.
[08:56] <ajmitch> it was, I just found the logs from that meeting
[08:56] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Which meeting was it?
[08:57] <ajmitch> october 10
[08:57] <ajmitch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Technical-2006-10-10
[09:03] <sladen> tepsipakki: the best you can do at the moment is scp stuff to bazaar.launchpad.net
[09:05] <Mithrandir> it seems like the consensus from that discussion was "we should provide an upload area, mdz will follow up with sysadmins"
[09:06] <Fujitsu> I haven't seen anything further on that topic.
[09:06] <Mithrandir> see the lines from 16:32:09 to 16:34:30
[09:07] <Fujitsu> Mithrandir: Yeah... Do you know if anything happened with regard to that?
[09:07] <Mithrandir> I haven't seen anything, no.  Somebody could ask mdz when he shows up if there has been any conclusion on it.
[09:18] <pitti> grep: /usr/lib/libcairo.la: No such file or directory
[09:18] <pitti> erk, seeeb
[09:19] <Mithrandir> no, it's a bug in something shipping a .la file but failing to depend on libcairo
[09:19] <Mithrandir> +-dev
[09:19] <pitti> right, I'm just not sure where to start looking; so I'll just check all the 230423 build deps of gnome-mount
[09:20] <Mithrandir> I think we should try to get rid of all .la files this cycle.
[09:46] <pitti> hey seb218
[09:46] <pitti> hey seb128, too
[09:46] <seb128> hey pitti ;)
[09:46] <pitti> for i in range(129): print "hello seb" + i
[09:46] <pitti> str(), but anyway
[10:01] <ion_> 0.upto 128 do |i| puts "hello seb#{i}" end
[10:01] <ion_> puts "hello pitti, too"
[10:01] <pitti> hi ion_
[10:02] <fabbione> MA VIENIIII!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:02] <fabbione> eh whops
[10:02] <fabbione> wrong chan
[10:02] <fabbione> sorry
[10:04] <vciaglia> fabbione: loool. I can understand! :)
[10:04] <mario_> hi folks
[10:05] <ion_> Hi mario
[10:06] <saispo> hi :)
[10:07] <seb128> lu saispo
[10:54] <\sh> I have bootup problem with udev and ldap (on dapper).
[10:54] <stub> Launchpad is going down in 15 mins for a code update. Estimated downtime is 10 mins or less.
[10:55] <\sh> udevd is starting, and trying to lookup users, our user base is ldap and compat (reading nsswitch.conf), now, network is not configured and udevd tries round about 5 mins to lookup the user...how can I disable nsswitch user lookup via ldap for udev only?
[10:55] <ajmitch> use 'compat ldap' instead of 'ldap compat'?
[10:55] <\sh> ajmitch, already using
[10:55] <ajmitch> or a libnss-ldap that has sane timeouts
[10:56] <pitti> mvo: FYI, I'm grabbing your ucf merge since I need it for dovecot; unless you are already at it?
[10:56] <\sh> bug 51315
[10:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 51315 in libnss-ldap "udevd: nss_ldap: failed to bind to LDAP server" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/51315
[10:57] <ajmitch> which was pretty much just for edgy
[10:58] <cjwatson> ensure that any users needed by udev are in /etc/passwd?
[10:58] <\sh> cjwatson, well, which user is not in /etc/passwd for udev?
[10:58] <cjwatson> or groups in /etc/group
[10:58] <mvo> pitti: feel free, I have not started with them yet, just make sure the debconf stuff that I added is still there afterwards :)
[10:58] <cjwatson> \sh: I don't know; you're the one with the failing system
[10:59] <\sh> cjwatson, for udev all users should be in /etc/passwd
[10:59] <pitti> mvo: did you send that to Debian? the latest version doesn't have it
[10:59] <ajmitch> \sh: iirc nvram was one
[10:59] <\sh> ajmitch, yeah, just trying to fix it with this grou
[10:59] <\sh> but at least it's a bug then ;)
[10:59] <pitti> mvo: argh, this is a hell of a diff
[11:00] <mvo> pitti: can you give me the url? I have a look, my initial patch was quite small IIRC
[11:00] <pitti> mvo: no URL, I just apt-get source'd our, Debian's, and the debian-snapshot base version and debdiffed
[11:01] <pitti> mvo: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/tmp/ucf-ubuntu.diff
[11:02] <pitti> mvo: it doesn't look very ubuntu specific AFAICS
[11:02] <\sh> ajmitch, it was nvram group missing in /etc/group
[11:02] <\sh> this group has to be added to the default
[11:02] <mvo> pitti: no, I send it to debian but got no feedback
[11:03] <mvo> pitti: its pretty important for upgrades with anything that uses a GUI
[11:03] <mvo> (synaptic, adept, u-m, ...)
[11:03] <pitti> mvo: hm, too bad; same is true for Debian, interactive stuff on the console is evil
[11:03] <\sh> cjwatson, what is the best package to file a bug report about a missing group for udev? ,-)
[11:03] <mvo> pitti: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=325576
[11:03] <ubotu> Debian bug 325576 in ucf "ucf: should use debconf to display the diff results" [Normal,Open]
[11:04] <pitti> mvo: ah, thanks
[11:04] <ivoks> \sh: why does it read passwd in the first place?
[11:04] <ivoks> \sh: wouldn't it be better to do getent passwd?
[11:04] <ajmitch> ivoks: no..
[11:05] <mvo> pitti: let me know if you want me to do the merge
[11:05] <pitti> mvo: oh, I'm almost done, it's fine
[11:05] <pitti> I just wondered about the rationale
[11:05] <mvo> aha, ok
[11:05] <mvo> thanks :)
[11:06] <ivoks> ajmitch: i might ask stupid question; but.. why? :)
[11:06] <ajmitch> ivoks: this is an nss module (libnss-ldap) that is timing out - udev is doing things the normal way
[11:06] <ivoks> oh... ok
[11:06] <ajmitch> lots of fun
[11:06] <ajmitch> morning sabdfl
[11:06] <cjwatson> \sh: pretty sure there's already a bug about that
[11:07] <ajmitch> pretty sure it's been fixed in feisty too, nvram is in /etc/group here
[11:07] <ivoks> it worked in dapper, iirc
[11:07] <ivoks> (working :)
[11:08] <\sh> ivoks, nope...I have a couple of dappers here...they all have this problem when network is not started, so ldap can't be reached
[11:08] <ajmitch> \sh: what libnss-ldap version?
[11:08] <\sh> wait...I have to reconnect to the box :(
[11:09] <ivoks> \sh: eh, i didn't have that test-case cause if network wasn't available, it wouldn't boot at all :)
[11:09] <\sh> 238-1.1ubuntu1
[11:09] <\sh> ivoks, first comes udev, then the network...
[11:09] <\sh> but nsswicth is already there
[11:10] <ivoks> \sh: in my case it was network first, then kernel
[12:03] <iwj> fabbione: Letting agents just turned up.  Be with you in a bit.
[12:09] <iwj> Gone again.
[12:09] <iwj> fabbione: AYT?
[12:24] <fabbione> iwj: sorry i was having lunch. i need to run away for another 10/15 minutes.. is it ok with you?
[12:26] <iwj> Sure.
[12:37] <fabbione> re
[12:55] <jmg> hey all
[12:55] <jmg> bring me the head of the alsa maintainer
[12:57] <Treenaks> why?
[12:57] <ajmitch> because jmg wants to fix all the bugs, it seems
[12:58] <jmg> i want to file some bugs
[12:58] <jmg> but i need more info
[12:58] <jmg> about the way alsa is configured in ubuntu
[12:58] <jmg> specifically i want to help it configure 5.1
[12:59] <jmg> because right now its not.
[12:59] <ajmitch> saying "bring me the head of the alsa maintainer" really isn't the best way to get any help
[12:59] <jmg> it got some attention
[12:59] <cjwatson> not from the alsa maintainer
[01:00] <jmg> i see him
[01:00] <jmg> by him, i mean the last person to touch it in edgy
[01:00] <jmg> hmm
[01:01] <jmg> i suppose i had better upgrade to feisty... but i dont want to break my nice media center setup
[01:01] <jmg> because my bug may be fixed in feisty
[01:02] <jmg> so what im really asking is how to configure 5.1 in edgy, but that is not an appropriate question for -devel
[01:02] <zul> good call
[01:03] <jmg> but maybe crimsun could give me an idea of how it is configured at the moment, because im looking and it doesnt like any of the stuff under /usr/share/alsa/pcm gets used
[01:04] <jmg> /etc/init.d/alsa-utils is braindead in that respect
[01:10] <ajmitch> hm, still getting bitten by debian bug 420895 on upgrading tzdata, was someone looking at that?
[01:10] <ubotu> Debian bug 420895 in tzdata "tzdata: debconf logic can't handle single-level zones defined in backward" [Important,Closed]  http://bugs.debian.org/420895
[01:11] <cjwatson> ajmitch: we haven't merged the Debian fix yet
[01:12] <cjwatson> ajmitch: feel like taking care of that? :)
[01:12] <ajmitch> sure
[01:12] <cjwatson> it's -5 I think
[01:41] <heno> mdz, cjwatson: how do I go about hijacking a spec. I'd rather do that than create yet more duplicates
[01:42] <heno> (I take it the distro drivers have the power)
[01:43] <heno> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/speech-recognition and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/installer-for-windows
[01:43] <cjwatson> heno: just start editing, normally
[01:43] <cjwatson> heno: I can assign you as drafter or something if you like
[01:45] <cjwatson> done for both
[01:45] <heno> cjwatson: thanks, I now have many more options
[01:47] <cjwatson> Mithrandir: are you running the autosyncer, or are the things in ~lp_archive/syncs/ manual?
[01:47] <cjwatson> looks like they're auto
[02:00] <heno> cjwatson: installer-for-windows is already on Scott's schedule; I've added an agenda. I take it I should not propose it for the meeting via LP, but that you will link it manually (?)
[02:04] <cjwatson> heno: yep
[02:09] <Mithrandir> cjwatson: I started it on auto, but it needs a bit of waiting before I can run it so I don't end up syncing the bits already synced in the previous run.
[02:09] <vciaglia> re
[02:10] <cjwatson> Mithrandir: right
[02:10] <cjwatson> I just used a different directory and some hacked scripts for the syncs I wanted to do
[02:10] <Mithrandir> okie
[02:12] <Mithrandir> cjwatson: seems happier now, so rerunning -a
[02:17] <pitti> Mithrandir: can you please give-back gnome-volume-manager on sparc and powerpc?
[02:18] <Mithrandir> pitti: given-back
[02:19] <ogra> bah, no libnotify yet ... g-s-s doesnt build  ...
[02:19] <fabbione> ogra: and no hal-info! OMG THE WORLD IS FALLING APART
[02:20] <fabbione> i can't distupgrade to gutsy!
[02:20] <ogra> NO HAL INFO !!! Ohh my god !
[02:20] <fabbione> ogra: if i were you i would start to worry about that after UDS
[02:20] <ogra> how are we supposed to ever access hardware again ?
[02:20] <fabbione> i guess Mithrandir and cjwatson are keeping the world busy with debian sync
[02:21] <pitti> ogra: oh, my fault, should be in NEW
[02:21] <ogra> i just upgraded fine over here ...
[02:21] <fabbione> weekend time
[02:21] <pitti> ogra: NEWed
[02:22] <\sh> hmmm...MoM still adds feisty to debian/changelogs in ubuntu version, right?
[02:22] <pitti> \sh: oh, is it back?
[02:22] <ogra> looks like
[02:22] <pitti> nope, still with March data
[02:22] <ogra> at least the webpage
[02:22] <ogra> ah
[02:23] <\sh> argl
[02:23] <StevenK> pitti: I have 3 -security uploads for universe that I'm in the middle of preparing. Shall I hit you up a little later about them?
[02:23] <pitti> StevenK: yes, please do so
[02:23] <StevenK> pitti: The package is mydns if you're curious.
[02:25] <cjwatson> fabbione: hey, I'm just trying to clear out my own syncs :P
[02:26] <fabbione> cjwatson: ehehhe yeah yeah :)
[02:27] <cjwatson> rest of you can fend for yourselves
[02:28] <fabbione> cjwatson: have fun.. i can wait for my syncs after the archive is stabilized a bit :)
[02:28] <fabbione> i had enough to sync into redhat-cluster for today
[02:47] <Mithrandir> hm, not all bad stats:
[02:47] <Mithrandir> Out-of-date BUT modified: 706 (5.53%)
[02:47] <Mithrandir> Updated:                  347 (2.72%)
[02:47] <Mithrandir> Ubuntu Specific:          2189 (17.14%)
[02:47] <Mithrandir> Up-to-date [Modified] :    1287 (10.08%)
[02:47] <Mithrandir> Up-to-date:               8233 (64.46%)
[02:47] <Mithrandir> Blacklisted:               11 (0.09%)
[02:47] <Mithrandir> Broken:                     0 (0.00%)
[02:47] <Mithrandir> the ubuntu specific one looks pretty bad since we haven't synced removals yet.
[02:49] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Ah, but how many removals are there?
[02:49] <Mithrandir> unsure.
[02:49] <Mithrandir> as in, I haven't gotten that far yet.
[02:50] <StevenK> Yeah, well.
[02:51] <ajmitch> we should try & get on top of them asap
[02:52] <bhale> Ubuntu Specific:          2189 < ouch
[02:52] <ajmitch> how many language packs in there?
[02:53] <bhale> ah
[02:53] <bhale> 693 in dapper
[02:53] <ajmitch> and as he said, a bunch of removals to process
[02:53] <ajmitch> but we do still have a few new packages
[02:54] <ajmitch> quite a few are worth pushing to debian
[02:55] <Mithrandir> closer to a thousand langpacks + support in gutsy.
[03:12] <Mithrandir> heh
[03:12] <Mithrandir> it's getting summer-y here, so. :-)
[03:13] <Hobbsee_> Mithrandir: ah yes, but not here...
[03:13] <Hobbsee_> i'll enjoy the summer
[03:13] <Hobbsee> or the excuse of summer
[03:18] <ogra> Hobbsee, in germany we have about 5-10C more than usual ... nature is freaking out ...
[03:18] <ogra> its linke june here
[03:18] <StevenK> ogra: Send it here!
[03:18] <Hobbsee> ogra: heh.  nice.  what does that turn out to be?
[03:18] <Hobbsee> yay, we want warmth!
[03:18] <ogra> 23C atm
[03:18] <StevenK> That isn't warm
[03:18] <ogra> should be between 10-15C around this time of year
[03:19] <StevenK> ogra: It's warmer than that here now, and it's 11pm!
[03:19] <ogra> and wasnt ever this warm in april
[03:20] <Spads> ogra: http://www.nctexasbirds.com/images/hot_news.jpg
[03:21] <StevenK> Oh geez, I remember that article.
[03:21] <StevenK> pitti: I have three debdiffs for you to look at, along with a bug number.
[03:22] <pitti> StevenK: ah, as attachments? what's the bug?
[03:22] <ogra> go USA !
[03:22] <StevenK> pitti: No, they aren't attached yet.
[03:22] <StevenK> pitti: bug 110306
[03:23] <ubotu> Bug 110306 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/110306 is private
[03:25] <StevenK> pitti: All three debdiffs attached.
[03:25] <pitti> StevenK: thanks, will look at it soon
[03:32] <pitti> StevenK: hmm, there doesn't seem to be a public CVE for this
[03:33] <StevenK> pitti: The bug does say it will be announced to full disclosure later today.
[03:33] <StevenK> pitti: Shall we wait until it has a CVE?
[03:34] <pitti> StevenK: if it turns up in a matter of hours, we can consider waiting
[03:35] <pitti> StevenK: in any case, the code changes look sane, but I'd like the changelog to be more verbose
[03:35] <pitti> StevenK: mention the dpatch name and some references
[03:35] <pitti> StevenK: i. e. URLs to the advisory and where you got the patch from, etc.
[03:35] <pitti> (such as a webcvs URL, or the URL you mentioned in the bug)
[03:36] <StevenK> Right.
[03:36] <StevenK> Are my version numbers sane?
[03:37] <pitti> yes, they are
[03:39] <pitti> StevenK: not sure if it is http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2006-2075
[03:39] <pitti> StevenK: but it doesn't look like it
[03:40] <StevenK> pitti: I agree, since the bug report mentions update and that CVE doesn't.
[03:43] <bddebian> Heya
[03:46] <StevenK> pitti: I don't seem to have/find a URL to the advisory.
[03:47] <pitti> StevenK: ok; then just include the dpatch name and the URLs from the bug (PoC and patch)
[03:47] <cjwatson> Mithrandir: so does the MoM output you pasted above indicate that MoM is on its way back up now?
[03:47] <Mithrandir> cjwatson: it's actually sync-source output
[03:47] <cjwatson> ah, right
[03:57] <StevenK> pitti: Right, debdiffs updated, but not attached.
[04:00] <pitti> StevenK: just /msg me the new changelog
[04:13] <pitti> hm, do we still care about
[04:13] <pitti> +  * Merge from debian unstable, remaining changes:
[04:13] <pitti> +    - debian/control: exim4 -> postfix.
[04:13] <pitti> being the only diff for a package? (such as mutt and mailman)
[04:13] <Mithrandir> I'd say no.
[04:13] <pitti> that's what I thought, too
[04:13] <StevenK> pitti: All three uploads done.
[04:14] <pitti> StevenK: thanks; I'll check them in about an hour, when they should have built everywhere
[04:15] <StevenK> pitti: Okay, cool.
[04:37] <Adri2000> archive admins: for a sync request from debian-multimedia, do you need the link to the .dsc or something?
[04:38] <cjwatson> Adri2000: no, just note that it's to come from debian-multimedia
[04:38] <pitti> Adri2000: we import the package lists by default, so I don't think that's necessary
[04:38] <Adri2000> ok
[04:47] <Mithrandir> lamont: what for?
[04:47] <lamont> exim->postfix comment above.
[04:47] <lamont> :)
[04:47] <Keybuk> exim > postfix
[04:48] <Mithrandir> lamont: seriously?  Do you think maintaining a delta with Debian because we used to prefer/still prefer one MTA over another, when both are in main?
[04:48] <Mithrandir> + is sane
[04:50] <lamont> pitti: that's why I cancelled the trout-launch
[04:50] <Keybuk> pitti: can I get an MIR for my favourite MTA too? :p
[04:50] <lamont> Mithrandir: no - not worth maintaining the difference
[04:50] <lamont> Keybuk: I dare you to submit one for qmail
[04:51] <pitti> Keybuk: if it replaces exim instead of giving us a third one to care for? :)
[04:51] <pitti> qmail -> nonfree -> main
[04:51] <Treenaks> pitti: yeah, but RIR was already in use
[04:57] <Keybuk> pitti: it's only non-free by Debian's definition :)
[04:58] <mjg59_> Keybuk: qmail? Non-free by most people's definition.
[05:01] <Keybuk> it's just quirky that you can't distribute binaries of it <g>
[05:03] <jdong> wha'ts up with people telling me that it's legal to distribute libdvdcss sources, just not binaries??
[05:04] <jdong> IANAL but I am highly skeptical to that statement. probably an 'urban legend'?
[05:04] <Keybuk> probably depends what country you are in, for a start
[05:04] <jdong> let's say... USA?
[05:05] <Keybuk> ask your local lawyer
[05:05] <elmo> distributing dvdcss in any form in the US would not be sane [IANAL, TINLA]
[05:06] <jdong> elmo: that's what I was under the impression
[05:06] <jdong> what about distributing a script that downloads libdvdcss sources from upstream and compiles them?
[05:06] <jdong> i.e. Gentoo, Freebsd....
[05:06] <Keybuk> ask your local lawyer
[05:06] <mc44> jdong: and ubuntu no?
[05:06] <jdong> /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh
[05:06] <mc44> indeed
[05:07] <jdong> we are distributing such a script
[05:07] <vciaglia> re
[05:07] <Keybuk> the answer to this requires knowledge of US law, not just the copyright licences involved
[05:07] <jdong> that downloads a libdvdcss deb, or falls back to building from source
[05:07] <jdong> is that legal? ;-)
[05:08] <Keybuk> ask your local lawyer
[05:08] <mc44> jdong: the us mirror is in sweden anyway isnt it? :)
[05:08] <jdong> is it legal for Ubuntu, I should say...
[05:08] <ion_> With this <http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/27/039259> (all our base are basically belong to MPAA and RIAA now) going on, perhaps even distributing /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh in EU has became illegal.
[05:08] <jdong> why not have g-a-i able to do this too?
[05:09] <jdong> pop in an encrypted DVD, bring up g-a-i and offer to run that script... that's already installed :D
[05:10] <Keybuk> ion_: the impliciations of that directive are not well understood
[05:10] <ion_> Installing debs without adding a repository that will provide updates pretty isnt very nice.
[05:11] <ion_> s/pretty //
[05:11] <Keybuk> (and is actually less strict than the current UK law which is probably what Canonical is answerable to)
[05:11] <cjwatson> EU directives (AIUI) don't affect us until signed into UK law anyway ...
[05:11] <cjwatson> which isn't a reason not to be concerned, but is a reason not to panic
[05:13] <jdong> interesting...
[05:13] <jdong> I guess what I'm getting at is... we should either (1) remove the script due to legal reasons, or (2) make it more integrated into g-a-i and easier to access
[05:14] <pitti> cjwatson: hm, why do you think is this UK centric? First, the download code will appear on worldwide mirrors, second such laws probably apply to the user, not (only) the distributor?
[05:15] <jdong> yikes!
[05:15] <jdong> libdvdread3 is in universe
[05:15] <jdong> not multiverse
[05:15] <cjwatson> the obvious target for legal action would be the distributor, surely
[05:15] <jdong> and it installs a script that can deCSS??
[05:15] <mjg59_> libdvdread is fine, surely?
[05:15] <jdong> dvdread is fine
[05:15] <jdong> but it includes a script that downloads libdvdcss
[05:15] <cjwatson> there is unlikely to be any legal difference between universe and multiverse
[05:16] <mjg59_> The "We're fine if we're only distributing something in multiverse" idea seems to have taken hold somewhere, and I'm not sure why
[05:16] <Hobbsee> jdong: libdvdread source is in main, iirc.  certainly was.
[05:16] <Robot101> mjg59: it's OK if we break the law if we put it in a seperate law-breaking section? :D
[05:16] <jdong> Hobbsee: only in dapper (tm)
[05:16] <Keybuk> pitti: the law ion_ refers explicitly excludes end-users
[05:16] <Robot101> is multiverse not carried on mirrors or something?
[05:16] <jdong> Robot101: worked for military prisons...
[05:16] <Keybuk> pitti: and only targets distributors
[05:16] <ion_> deb http://fi.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty main restricted universe multiverse illegal
[05:16] <Hobbsee> ah, right.  that's where i mu;st have merged it, then
[05:17] <bhale> Robot101: multiverse is more like non-free
[05:17] <StevenK> libdvdread | 0.9.6-3ubuntu1 | edgy/universe | source
[05:17] <jdong> libdvdread3 | 0.9.6-3ubuntu1 | edgy/universe | i386
[05:17] <Hobbsee> weird
[05:17] <Keybuk> mjg59: Debian previously seemed to have a "it's fine if it's in non-free" stance too
[05:17] <bhale> Robot101: its been taken to mean "anything goes"
[05:17] <jdong> :)
[05:17] <cjwatson> I don't see why we should do the MPAA's work for them. If it were clearly illegal, we shouldn't be distributing it, but it's not clear IMO
[05:17] <mjg59> Keybuk: Debian's never carried libdvdcss
[05:17] <Keybuk> mjg59: true, but it has for other things
[05:17] <Keybuk> dvdcss should be in universe though
[05:17] <elmo> bhale: which is wrong, of course
[05:17] <Hobbsee> mjg59: it carried that script before, though
[05:17] <jdong> cjwatson: libdvdcss is not clear?
[05:17] <elmo> Keybuk: err, no it shouldn't
[05:17] <Hobbsee> mjg59: to get dvdcss
[05:18] <cjwatson> jdong: a script that downloads libdvdcss is not clear
[05:18] <Keybuk> multiverse is "insufficient permission to distribute modified binaries", not "legally scary"
[05:18] <Keybuk> elmo: ?
[05:18] <cjwatson> libdvdcss itself would be, imo
[05:18] <jdong> cjwatson: I agree with that
[05:18] <mjg59> Keybuk: Really? Which things were considered acceptable in non-free that weren't considered acceptable in main? (ignoring freeness)
[05:18] <elmo> Keybuk: dvdcss should not be on our archive at all
[05:18] <cjwatson> elmo: it isn't. a script that downloads it is
[05:18] <elmo> cjwatson: I know that
[05:18] <cjwatson> ok
[05:18] <elmo> I'm responding to:
[05:18] <elmo> 16:17 < Keybuk> dvdcss should be in universe though
[05:18] <jdong> site=http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/groups/dvd/deb/
[05:19] <Keybuk> mjg59: I can't recall specifically, but I remember when we had the discussion about not using multiverse as a legal arse-cover, that someone pointed to things in Debian non-free simply because of patents; gif stuff, maybe?  zip maybe too
[05:19] <pochu> configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[05:19] <cjwatson> Keybuk: sounds like somebody confused non-free with non-US
[05:19] <mjg59> Keybuk: Stuff was in non-us because of patents.
[05:19] <Keybuk> cjwatson: yes, that was the thought too
[05:19] <Keybuk> if I weren't leaving for a plane in 40 mins, i'd look into it :)
[05:20] <ion_> install-css.sh seems to install 1.2.5, whereas the medibuntu repository seems to have 1.2.9, btw.
[05:20] <mjg59> Keybuk: The only exceptions I could think of would be code that granted a patent license, but only under restrictive terms
[05:21] <jdong> ion_: lol should we update it to install from medibuntu? :D
[05:21] <mjg59> And where that patent was being enforced
[05:21] <Keybuk> mjg59: it was a mistake in Debian, iirc, and one someone had copied in Ubuntu
[05:21] <ion_> jdong: As long as an apt repository isnt used, it will become obsolete again sooner or later. :-)
[05:22] <jdong> ion_: a wget that checks a "latest-is-*" file? :D
[05:22] <ion_> Users wont get updates automatically that way.
[05:22] <Lutin> ion_: in what package is that file ?
[05:22] <jdong> libdvdread
[05:22] <ion_> lutin: libdvdread3
[05:22] <jdong> no fear, medibuntu to the rescue :D
[05:23] <elmo> Keybuk: err, it wasn't a mistake, if you mean unintentional rather than misguided
[05:23] <Lutin> jdong: :)
[05:23] <Lutin> ion_: ok
[05:24] <Keybuk> elmo: ?
[05:24] <ion_> The medibuntu repository also contains w32codecs and a version of ffmpeg that supports encoding some patent-encumbered formats, which is nice.
[05:24] <jdong> yep
[05:24] <jdong> though w32codecs is pretty obsolete now
[05:25] <jdong> you only need it for realvideo... and we have Real in -commercial
[05:25] <cjwatson> jdong: how's the rest of it handled?
[05:25] <elmo> jdong: err, what can do wmv?
[05:25] <mjg59> ffmpeg
[05:25] <jdong> elmo: ffmpeg
[05:25] <cjwatson> (we have a discussion on windows codecs scheduled for UDS)
[05:25] <elmo> natively?
[05:25] <jdong> yep
[05:26] <jdong> cjwatson: ffmpeg now decodes almost everything
[05:26] <jdong> the remaining biggie is realvideo+realaudio
[05:26] <ion_> jdong: Do mplayer, gstreamer0.10-pitfdll etc. use the codecs installed by the Real package from commercial?
[05:26] <elmo> mplayer does realaudio
[05:26] <jdong> ion_: nope
[05:26] <elmo> even streaming, like  bbc radio or something
[05:27] <jdong> ion_: our mplayer and friends can't exploit realplayer... unlike Novell's
[05:27] <ion_> jdong: Thus ill still have to keep using w32codecs.
[05:27] <mc44> jdong: there isnt a feisty realplayer package yet either
[05:27] <jdong> mc44: well there should be
[05:27] <jdong> :)
[05:27] <mvo> mc44: we hope to get one soon
[05:27] <cjwatson> Keybuk: any objections to me swapping round the motu and gstreamer forums on the schedule? LaserJock said he was leaving on Wed so couldn't make the MOTU forum
[05:28] <mc44> mvo: great :)
[05:28] <Lutin> jdong: does the ffmpeg from debian unstalbe handles more formats than the current ubuntu one ?
[05:28] <cjwatson> I couldn't see any obvious obstacles to switching them
[05:28] <jdong> Lutin: definitely, and lower CPU usage too
[05:28] <jdong> BUT the api, abi, and UI has changed significantly!
[05:28] <jdong> be careful introducing that, coordinate with motu-media, etc
[05:28] <jdong> but I would like to see it in Gutsy
[05:28] <Keybuk> cjwatson: no objections to any changes
[05:29] <Keybuk> cjwatson: riddell also pointed out to me that the meduxa guys aren't present on the day they've been scheduled for
[05:29] <Keybuk> cjwatson: so move that to mon-tues in a fourth room :)
[05:31] <cjwatson> Riddell: what are the meduxa guys called, and what days will they be present?
[05:31] <cjwatson> all the schedule says is "Meduxa Representative"
[05:31] <Lutin> jdong: I'd definitely love it too, cause I need it to put another package into multiverse (kdenlive)
[05:32] <Lutin> jdong: though it FTBFSs in a feisty pbuilder cause of some linking issue
[05:32] <jdong> Lutin: it might be time to talk to slomo and friends about how to migrate our entire stack to it
[05:32] <jdong> Lutin: it's at minimum going to be a full recompile of all dependents
[05:34] <Riddell> cjwatson: Cristo is the junior guy, he's there all week
[05:34] <Riddell> cjwatson: Agustn is the senior guy, leaves 17:00 on tuesday
[05:35] <Lutin> jdong: indeed. definitely need to poke siretart too, as he maintains it in debian
[05:35] <cjwatson> Riddell: thanks
[05:35] <jdong> yep
[05:39] <elmo> zomg, can we please install patch by default on servers?
[05:39] <Lutin> jdong: I have a feeling taht it's not gonna be easy :p
[05:40] <cjwatson> Riddell: I'll put them on Sunday and Monday then - can manage to avoid using a fourth room that way
[05:40] <cjwatson> I guess those two sessions don't have to be right next to each other
[05:42] <jdong> Lutin: I doubt it too
[05:43] <mdz> elmo: in a bundle with gcc and friends, or always?
[05:45] <Riddell> cjwatson: thanks, no they don't
[05:45] <elmo> mdz: always
[05:45] <Lutin> jdong: though some upstream might have started the migration already
[05:46] <elmo> I patch config files all the time, but maybe I'm just strange that way
[05:46] <jdong> Lutin: I think all our apps will build against the new ffmpeg
[05:46] <jdong> Lutin: I have done it locally on one of my machines
[05:46] <jdong> Lutin: it is however damned annoying that all my scripts that call ffmpeg had to be changed significantly
[05:46] <cjwatson> I don't really see why not to install patch always - I've pretty sure I've seen people suggest using it to apply test fixes for bugs
[05:46] <thom> elmo: you're strange. but we knew that anyway (i just use $RCS_OF_CHOICE); that said, i can't see why having patch in base would be bad
[05:47] <cjwatson> (when binaries aren't involved)
[05:47] <Lutin> jdong: that'd mean that they've not broken their API ? kind of amazing
[05:47] <jdong> Lutin: no, they did break their api
[05:47] <jdong> Lutin: most ffmpeg apps have a bunch of #ifdefs to workaround it :D
[05:48] <Lutin> jdong: :D
[05:48] <cjwatson> patch is in the user portability section of SUSv3 too (read: optional, but you know that's "if you are a hideously ancient Unix then we'll let you off")
[06:13] <iwj> Why oh why oh why does less perform so abysmally with files with huge lines ?
[06:14] <ScottK> pitti: It seems there is still one hangup with the lighttpd security fix.  IA-64 for Edgy has been sitting "Needs Building" for a long time now.  https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/319865
[06:15] <ScottK> Dunno if there's a backlog for IA64 or something got hung up again...
[06:15] <cjwatson> ia64 was broken for edgy-security for a while, and may still be
[06:15] <cjwatson> elmo: ^--
[06:15] <pitti> ScottK: right, edgy-security is pretty much screwed on ia64 because it's horribly out of date
[06:15] <elmo> yeah, it is
[06:15] <cjwatson> it shouldn't be needs-build though, either dep-wait or failed or ...
[06:15] <elmo> I'll have to take dak down again to reimport it
[06:15] <elmo> I'll do it some day...
[06:16] <ion_> iwj: -R might help in some cases.
[06:16] <ScottK> So I guess I take that as it's know to be FUBAR and I don't need to worry about it?
[06:17] <cjwatson> I certainly wouldn't lose sleep over it
[06:17] <ion_> iwj: Sorry, brainfart. -S.
[06:17] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[06:18] <iwj> I know about -S but I want to see the whole line.
[06:18] <iwj> fold(1) fixes it but it's annoying that I have to mess about.
[06:20] <ion_> iwj: Yeah. in some cases, as in if you dont need to see the whole line. :-)
[06:21] <iwj> ion_: Yers :-).
[06:55] <ssam> Bug #109204 has a patch upstream, i have tested it my self. is there anything i can do help get the patch committed to the ubuntu package
[06:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109204 in goffice "Gnumeric strange colors (purple charts)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109204
[06:55] <ssam> i have read through the openweek patching session
[06:55] <ssam> it looks to me like gnumeric does not use any of the fancy patching systems
[06:57] <pitti> ssam: giving a pointer to the upstream patch and the test result is helpful
[06:58] <ssam> pitti thanks
[07:01] <ssam> pitti done
[07:14] <bluefoxicy> wtf lol
[07:14] <bluefoxicy> I enter my password and it says "Sorry please try again" three times, never prompting inbetween.  gksu works.  This is amusing.
[07:34] <iwj> Oh, the uselessness of the interface to su and rsh has caused so much braindamage.
[07:36] <bongo> good day! what is the reason kernel-patch-vserver wasn't included in feisty release?
[07:37] <crimsun> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=390951 , http://packages.qa.debian.org/k/kernel-patch-vserver/news/20061017T174909Z.html
[07:37] <ubotu> Debian bug 390951 in ftp.debian.org "ftp.debian.org: Please remove package: kernel-patch-vserver" [Normal,Closed]
[07:38] <bongo> yes I do release debian etch doesn't have it
[07:38] <bongo> that is why i presumed feisty doesn't
[07:39] <crimsun> I'm not sure why you're asking, then?
[07:39] <bongo> well I never read that article
[07:40] <bongo> I see that stipulate that its included in the 2.6 kernel
[07:40] <pitti> mjg59: do you have any idea about http://librarian.launchpad.net/7429278/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-powerpc.hal_0.5.9-1ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ?
[07:40] <bongo> if I download the source tarball I don't see it in the kernel source, not even with the ubuntu patches
[07:40] <pitti> mjg59: on sparc and powerpc there is no sys/io.h with inb(), outb() and such
[07:40] <bongo> I know i can patch it by hand
[07:41] <mjg59> pitti: Yeah, the code is x86 only
[07:41] <pitti> mjg59: so I should #ifdef the --enable-macbook options only for i386 in debian/rules
[07:42] <mjg59> pitti: and amd64
[07:42] <mjg59> There are no ppc macbooks
[07:42] <iwj> Aaaaargh!  One moment it quotes ~ with \ and another moment it fails to quote * !
[07:43] <jumpula> sounds like bash
[07:44] <jumpula> except for something doing the quoting :)
[07:45] <iwj> piuparts.
[07:49] <iwj> 0m57.6s INFO: PASS: All tests.
[07:49] <iwj> Yay!
[08:22] <YokoZar> Somehow I'm missing a debdiff for my package, and it's confusing uupdate.  What's the proper way to build it?
[08:39] <YokoZar> Ahh, figured out the answer to my question.  Had to have dpkg-source -b target my package directory and then the upstream tarball (that was actually a bz2 file, not .gz, hence confusing dpkg-source)
[09:46] <Adri2000> cjwatson: why does your upload devscripts (2.10.2ubuntu1) not appear on gutsy-changes? anyway, I sent a patch for requestsync to pitti, could you include it in your next upload? (when merging version 2.10.4 for example)
[09:47] <psusi> I can't debootstrap gutsy.. I think it is because tzdata fails to install... is this a known problem?  can anyone else debootstrap gutsy?
[09:47] <psusi> same goes with pbuilder create
[09:57] <geser> Adri2000: I already prepared a merge for 2.10.4 and wait now for a UMS
[09:58] <Adri2000> hm yes, I've just seen the bug
[09:58] <Adri2000> geser: can I send you my patch so you add it to your upload?
[09:59] <geser> sure
[10:00] <Adri2000> or well, it's here: http://adrishost.homeip.net/~adri2000/ubuntu/requestsync.patch
[10:05] <geser> Adri2000: looking at the patch [len(explanation)-1]  is the same as [-1]
[10:07] <Adri2000> geser: ah right, feel free to fix :)
[10:15] <wasabi_> buh. mdadm and lvm still broken in various ways for me in feisty.
[10:17] <siretart> Lutin: you told something about ffmpeg before?
[10:21] <Lutin> siretart: yes. I was asking if it compiles fine in a feisty pbuilder for you
[10:21] <Lutin> siretart: 'cause it FTBFSs when linking here
[10:21] <siretart> Lutin: where exactly? and on which arch?
[10:22] <siretart> Lutin: I'm very inclined to just upload ffmpeg from experimental to gutsy and fix what gets broken
[10:22] <Lutin> siretart: amd64, an issue related to PIC code
[10:22] <siretart> Lutin: hm, strange, I'm pretty sure I tested it on my amd64 machine myself, will look at it later
[10:23] <Lutin> siretart: yeah, I discusssed that a bit with jdong...we'd need at least a recompile of all the rdepends
[10:23] <Lutin> siretart: I'll paste the buildlog asap
[10:23] <siretart> Lutin: this we have to do anyway.
[10:23] <siretart> Lutin: thanks
[10:24] <psusi> can anyone debootstrap gutsy or does it just fail for me?
[10:24] <Nafallo> psusi: dunno. worked earlier today.
[10:25] <psusi> odd... I haven't been able to since yesterday at least... it fails to configure a bunch of stuff starting with tzdata I think
[10:26] <psusi> could it be because this machine is still running edgy?
[11:05] <mario> hello folks :)
[11:14] <Lutin> siretart: http://people.dunnewind.net/lutin/ffmpeg_buildlog.txt
[11:15] <siretart> Lutin: imgconvert.o, eh?
[11:15] <Lutin> siretart: ?
[11:17] <siretart> Lutin: I fixed such an error already before, I'll try to reproduce in gutsy
[11:21] <Lutin> siretart: ok
[11:21] <Lutin> siretart: do you remember what the fix was ?
[11:21] <siretart> Lutin: fixing the inline assembler to not use relocs
[11:22] <Lutin> ah, ok
[11:51] <ajmitch> morning
[12:00] <siretart> hi ajmitch
[12:03] <mario> hi siretart
[12:03] <siretart> hi pygi!
[12:04] <mario> what's up?