[01:08] <jdmpike> hello masters of the universe!
[01:09] <sladen> hello jdmpike, we're coming to the rescue!
[01:09] <jdmpike> how do I request that a package is added - I would like to see slcreator added to the repos because it looks like an easy version of dvdstyler so I can make dvd movies with music of my pictures easily
[01:09] <sladen> jdmpike: try to get it into Debian is the easiest way
[01:10] <sladen> jdmpike: request that Debian add it, and then we get it automatically
[01:10] <jdmpike> there is a .deb built for it - how do you get it into deb?
[01:10] <jdmpike> also - thanks for all of the upgrades today/yesterday!
[02:04] <nooby_god> Does anyone know of a simple program that I can use to help me learn how to package?
[02:05] <crimsun_> nooby_god: are you following the Packaging Guide/
[02:06] <nooby_god> this one -> http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/
[02:06] <crimsun_> well, that /is/ the simple one to help you learn :)
[02:07] <nooby_god> something a little more realistic?
[02:07] <crimsun_> meaning ...
[02:08] <nooby_god> a lot of the programs that are on the Canditate page require a lot more configuration, unless I'm misunderstanding everything
[02:12] <nooby_god> Is there another to help motu and ubuntu in general besides packaging new programs?
[02:13] <zul> documentation bug triaging etc
[02:14] <nooby_god> I'll take a look into that
[02:16] <imbrandon> morning motu's
[02:36] <LaserJock> crimsun_: I got the sysadmin for the chem department (a MS student in CS) to want to learn packaging :-)
[02:36] <crimsun_> LaserJock: neat
[02:37] <LaserJock> crimsun_: he is a former Gentoo user like me, mwuahahahah ;-)
[02:37] <nooby_god> crimsun_: I was trying http://delineate.sourceforge.net,
[02:39] <nooby_god> LaserJock: still use Gentoo at all?
[02:39] <LaserJock> nooby_god: no, haven't for about a year now
[02:39] <LaserJock> nooby_god: I like the distro, I just like Ubuntu more :-)
[02:40] <LaserJock> and since I'm really supposed to be working on my PhD I can't mess around with 2 distros at a time :-)
[02:40] <nooby_god> I still have to use it for some servers, it's completely different from almost all the distros
[02:40] <nooby_god> creating ebuilds was soooo much easier then creating debs
[02:42] <crimsun_> does delineate even run with gcj?
[02:42] <LaserJock> nooby_god: it's not too bad once you get the hang of it. I think the finished product is well worth the intial learning curve
[02:43] <nooby_god> crimsun_: not sure
[02:46] <LaserJock> nooby_god: you might want to look at some existing packages, and figure out what they're doing
[02:46] <nooby_god> I guess I could work on an easier piece of software
[02:46] <nooby_god> LaserJock: I took a look already
[02:47] <nooby_god> GnoCHM is requested and already has debian source/bin packages. What would I have to do to get it into ubuntu?
[02:47] <crimsun_> it'll be synced in automatically
[02:47] <crimsun_> err, if it is in Debian
[02:48] <nooby_god> oh
[02:49] <TheMuso> Gobby is really cool.
[02:49] <TheMuso> Hey all btw.
[02:49] <imbrandon> heya TheMuso
[02:50] <crimsun_> routing is completely screwed.
[02:51] <crimsun_> hmm, is packages.qa.debian.org reachable for anyone?
[02:52] <imbrandon> not i crimsun_
[02:53] <imbrandon> times out
[02:53] <nooby_god> I can't get to it crimsun_
[02:54] <crimsun_> yeah, that works
[02:54] <imbrandon> crimsun_, edgy sync's testing not unstable correct ?
[02:54] <crimsun_> no, unstable
[02:54] <imbrandon> ahhh ok *slaps head*
[02:54] <crimsun_> gnochm 0.9.7-1 will be synced
[02:55] <imbrandon> hows the edgy build tools thing coming along ?
[02:58] <crimsun_> (/topic in -devel n' all))
[02:58] <imbrandon> oooh
[02:58] <imbrandon> duh i'm dense sometimes
[02:59] <imbrandon> so with edgy "open" we can upload to universe ? ( after revu and rebuild with edgy toolchain and such )
[02:59] <imbrandon> ?
[03:00] <crimsun_> you can upload now if you really want to, but if it's an X app, it'd be silly to upload now
[03:00] <imbrandon> ahh
[03:00] <imbrandon> its not
[03:00] <imbrandon> but thats good to know so X isnt built yet?
[03:00] <imbrandon> guess i should look at edgy-changes
[03:01] <crimsun_> I don't know if anything has been decided about the 7.1
[03:01] <TheMuso> What has to happen to get a package into dapper-updates? There have been a few important bugfixes for gobby which everybody should benefit from.
[03:01] <crimsun_> TheMuso: are the changes critical bugfixes and trivially self-contained?
[03:02] <TheMuso> crimsun_: I believe so. The bugs are filed against the gobby package. One bug prevented gobby from working with accessibility stuff in GNOME, and the other is a copy and paste bug.
[03:02] <crimsun_> TheMuso: got a debdiff?
[03:03] <TheMuso> Not as yet. I am not sure how I should apply these patches against the package, in terms of building it.
[03:03] <TheMuso> It is a standard rules file using debhelper.
[03:03] <TheMuso> No other patches exist as far as I can see in the original source package.
[03:04] <crimsun_> right, so you'd follow the "use whatever patch system Debian already has" guideline
[03:04] <TheMuso> But the package isn't using any afaik.
[03:04] <crimsun_> in this case, you'd patch directly
[03:05] <TheMuso> Directly meaning that I just patch the source, and the patch gets included in the diff.gz?
[03:05] <crimsun_> yep
[03:05] <TheMuso> Ok thanks.
[03:05] <crimsun_> then you can generate debdiff, attach to BTS report, etc.
[03:05] <TheMuso> Will do.
[03:06] <crimsun_> (dinner)
[03:07] <nooby_god> what do I do if the source comes in a tgz instead of a tar.gz
[03:10] <crimsun_> (that is a tar.gz)
[03:11] <nooby_god> will the different file name messup anything?
[03:14] <imbrandon> you could probbly just rename it as a tgz is exactly the same as a tar.gz
[03:14] <imbrandon> when you debianize it
[03:14] <imbrandon> brb
[03:18] <crimsun_> nooby_god: depends what you plan to use, but generally making it the orig.tar.gz works
[03:26] <susana_> holaa
[03:28] <bddebian> Howdy gang
[03:29] <TheMuso> Ok. If a MOTU could have a look at the debdiff attached to Malone #49780 and upload for dapper-updates, that would be great. Thanks.
[03:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 49780 in gobby "Gobby crashes upon load when GNOME accessibility options are turned on." [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/49780
[03:29] <bmonty> hey bddebian
[03:30] <bddebian> Heya bmonty
[03:30] <bmonty> I don't think we can upload for dapper updates yet
[03:30] <bddebian> We can request it, we can't actually upload I don't think
[03:30] <TheMuso> Ah ok.
[03:31] <TheMuso> But anyway. IMO it is kinda important since many of us will be using gobby next week.
[03:31] <bmonty> is there a launchpad team that needs to be subscribed to the bug?
[03:31] <bddebian> I won't be so what do I care? ;-P
[03:31] <bddebian> j/k
[03:32] <TheMuso> bmonty: I don't know. Is there?
[03:32] <bmonty> TheMuso: you need to change the distro in your patch to dapper-updates
[03:32] <TheMuso> bmonty: You mean in the changelog?
[03:32] <bmonty> TheMuso: yup
[03:32] <TheMuso> ah ok
[03:32] <crimsun_> yep, otherwise the debdiff looks good
[03:32] <TheMuso> forgot about that. :)
[03:33] <crimsun_> when you finish, ping mdz about it, get his approval
[03:33] <nooby_god> what is the GTK package called?
[03:33] <TheMuso> Ok.
[03:33] <bddebian> nooby_god: Which one?
[03:34] <nooby_god> GTK+
[03:34] <nooby_god> versin 2.8
[03:34] <bddebian> nooby_god: 'apt-cache dump |grep <guess>' is your friend :-)
[03:34] <TheMuso> This kinda stuff shows me that I am nowhere near ready for MOTU status yet. :)
[03:34] <bddebian> TheMuso: That's OK, I'm not either ;-)
[03:34] <bmonty> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ImportantUpdateProcedures
[03:35] <bmonty> TheMuso: based on that link you need to change the package version in the changelog as well
[03:35] <nooby_god> I'm trying to package Audacious, after I have packaged it, I upload it to REVU?
[03:35] <bmonty> nooby_god: yes
[03:35] <bddebian> nooby_god: yes
[03:35] <nooby_god> will the people at REVU be able to fix all of my silly mistakes?
[03:35] <nooby_god> like wrong deps, better desc, etc
[03:36] <bmonty> nooby_god: if you are packaging it you would fix the problems yourself
[03:36] <TheMuso> bmonty: Why exactly?
[03:36] <nooby_god> but this would be my first package
[03:37] <bmonty> TheMuso: check the webpage, it has guidelines for package versions going into updates
[03:37] <bmonty> TheMuso: the version should be 0.3.0-1ubuntu3.1
[03:37] <TheMuso> Oh ok.
[03:41] <TheMuso> Ok guys. SOrry to be a pain, but if someone could check a final time, that would be great. If ok, I will ping mdz for approval.
[03:42] <bmonty> TheMuso: looks good to me...you've verified the package builds in a dapper chroot?
[03:43] <TheMuso> Just double-checking, but when I applied these patches to my own version for testing earlier today there didn't seem to be a problem.
[03:46] <TheMuso> bmonty: Yep, builds fine.
[03:47] <TheMuso> As I thought it would.
[03:48] <bmonty> TheMuso: never hurts to test it...I'd say it looks good to go
[03:48] <TheMuso> Ok thanks
[03:49] <crimsun_> hmm
[03:49] <crimsun_> I don't know about the versioning change
[03:49] <crimsun_> none of the other -updates have bumped minors
[03:49] <crimsun_> cf. pcmcia-cs
[03:50] <TheMuso> Yeah I just noticed that with the packages in my apt cache.
[03:50] <bmonty> crimsun_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ImportantUpdateProcedures
[03:50] <crimsun_> bmonty: I know, I've read that numerous times.
[03:51] <crimsun_> bmonty: however, current practice by core-dev is to do a normal full increment
[03:51] <bmonty> crimsun_: ok
[03:51] <crimsun_> it's quite confusing
[03:51] <TheMuso> Damn right it is/.
[03:52] <crimsun_> personally a full increment makes sense, since I generally think of minor bumps => -security
[03:52] <bmonty> looks like debian-installer used a .1 version for the latest dapper-updates package, but I see what you are saying about the others
[03:52] <crimsun_> but again, clarify that with mdz when you ask him to review
[03:52] <TheMuso> Ok.
[03:58] <TheMuso> Ok guys. Approval granted.
[03:58] <crimsun_> yep, fire away
[03:58] <TheMuso> So kinda can't.
[03:58] <bmonty> crimsun_: do you want to upload or should I?
[03:59] <crimsun_> bmonty: if you feel inclined, go for it, else I can do it in 10 mins
[03:59] <bmonty> I can do it, what version number did we decide on?
[03:59] <crimsun_> the current debdiff's
[04:00] <bmonty> 0.3.0-1ubuntu3.1 then?
[04:01] <crimsun_> yep.
[04:01] <crimsun_> precedence either way, so it can't be "wrong" :)
[04:01] <bmonty> thats good, except it is always nice to stay standardized
[04:02] <TheMuso> Yeah.
[04:03] <bmonty> hi LaserJock
[04:03] <TheMuso> Hey LaserJock.
[04:03] <LaserJock> hi bmonty and TheMuso
[04:04] <bmonty> TheMuso: uploaded, thanks for taking care of that
[04:05] <TheMuso> bmonty: Thanks for your assistance.
[04:16] <LaserJock> anybody know how to search for channels in irssi?
[04:18] <sladen> LaserJock:  /list
[04:26] <nooby_god> when specifying version in the control file, what is the correct way to indicate version? (>=1.2.9) or (>=1.2.9-0ubuntu2) ?
[04:28] <crimsun_> nooby_god: presuming versioned {build-,}dependencies? Least strict as possible.
[04:29] <nooby_god> yeah, the site lists a bunch of deps, not all of them are build deps, some of them are recomended
[04:30] <crimsun_> Recommended runtime packages should be listed as Recommends:
[04:35] <nooby_god> if something depends on alsa-lib, what package is that in ubuntu? Or is that included in the base system?
[04:35] <bmonty> nooby_god: you can use apt-cache to search for packages
[04:36] <nooby_god> bmonty: I did, alsa-lib did not pop up anyhere
[04:36] <bmonty> nooby_god: I can't remember the name, but it will probably not be alsa-lib, that isn't the standard for lib package names
[04:37] <bddebian>  apt-cache dump |grep alsa |grep lib
[04:37] <bmonty> libasound2-dev
[04:37] <bddebian> Oh, heh, that wouldn't have worked then :-)
[04:39] <crimsun_> nooby_god: libasound2 is part of desktop by default.
[04:39] <nooby_god> ok
[04:40] <crimsun_> (however, desktop != base ...)
[04:40] <nooby_god> crimsun_: tomorrow, if by some luck, I manage to package audacious, what is the procedure to make sure that I have not made any stupid mistakes, concidering it's my first package
[04:41] <crimsun_> nooby_god: when you debuild -S, it'll run lintian
[04:41] <crimsun_> nooby_god: also, when you upload to REVU, it'll run lintian and linda
[04:42] <crimsun_> (and I've already packaged both audacious and bmpx, so I'm happy to assist if you run into problems)
[04:42] <nooby_god> ok
[04:42] <nooby_god> thank you
[04:42] <nooby_god> G'night all
[04:42] <crimsun_> 'night
[04:42] <bddebian> Gnight nooby_god
[04:44] <bddebian> HEY, you always tell me you are busy when I ask for your help :-)
[04:47] <crimsun_> sorry, still awaiting my pony.
[04:47] <bmonty> lol
[04:47] <bddebian> Man, I'm screwed :-(
[04:47] <LaserJock> ponies!!!
[04:48] <ajmitch> bddebian: why is that?
[04:49] <ajmitch> aw, noone on teamspeak today :)
[04:49] <bddebian> ajmitch: Because I don't have a pony for crimsun_
[04:50] <bddebian> And apparently I am too much of a PITA even for this group :-)
[04:50] <crimsun_> didn't you say it was misdirected to arpo? :p
[04:50] <bddebian> Alpo or Elmers, I couldn't remember which :-)
[04:50] <crimsun_> ah, alpo
[04:50] <crimsun_> well sheesh, no pony for me :/
[04:50] <ajmitch> bddebian: you haven't sent me a pony either
[04:50] <ajmitch> I'm sitting here, without a pony
[04:50] <ajmitch> sad
[04:51] <bddebian> I sent you a laptop and that wasn't good enough :-)
[04:51] <ajmitch> nope
[04:51] <ajmitch> laptop != pony
[04:52] <bddebian> Fine, fine
[04:52] <ajmitch> bmonty: a 400MHz p2?
[04:52] <ajmitch> bddebian: going to just do main instead?
[04:52] <bmonty> ajmitch: hmm....if I had nothing else, probably
[04:52] <bddebian> They don't want me either
[04:53] <bddebian> ajmitch: I had a 600Mhz one I said I would send you :-)
[04:54] <ajmitch> bddebian: they said they were happy to get patches from you
[05:03] <ajmitch> that's so wrong
[05:03] <imbrandon> heh
[05:03] <ajmitch> ponies on photoshop on wine on a win xp knock-off?
[05:03] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:03] <imbrandon> hahahah never herd it put like that but yea ;)
[05:08] <bmonty> goodnight everyone
[05:08] <bddebian> Gnight bmonty
[05:09] <imbrandon> gnight
[05:24] <Hobbsee> morning all
[05:24] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee
[05:24] <Hobbsee> :) hey bddebian :)
[05:24] <Hobbsee> someone is here!
[05:25] <bddebian> Nah, just me :-)
[05:25] <Hobbsee> well, you're still someone!
[05:25] <bddebian> I suppose that depends on who you ask ;-)
[05:26] <Hobbsee> hah
[05:30] <Hobbsee> bddebian: well, i say that you exists, like everyone else exists.  how's that?
[05:30] <bddebian> Good enough :-)
[05:32] <Hobbsee> heya ajmitch_
[05:32] <Hobbsee> s/ ajmitch_ / ajmitch
[05:32] <ajmitch> hi
[05:33] <ajmitch> brb
[05:57] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, so did dad nick te headphones back lastnight ;)
[06:03] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: nope, they're still here
[06:03] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:03] <Hobbsee> he got a bit shirty over it though - said he wanted to use the headphones a couple of weeks ago... - dont know why he didnt grab them from his study then...
[06:04] <Hobbsee> wow, upgrades
[06:05] <imbrandon> yea lots of them
[06:07] <imbrandon> new crossover RC1 last night too
[06:07] <imbrandon> w00t
[06:31] <bddebian> Gnight gang
[06:31] <ajmitch> night
[06:31] <ajmitch> bah
[06:32] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:32] <Hobbsee> just a little late
[06:32] <LaserJock> always too late
[06:33] <ajmitch> :(
[06:33] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: go & run around for a bit
[06:33] <ajmitch> you won't need a heater then
[06:33] <Hobbsee> but running around involves going outside - and that will be even colder.
[06:35] <LaserJock> oh, yeah, I forgot it's winterish down there
[06:35] <LaserJock> I was getting confused
[06:35] <ajmitch> not really winter
[06:35] <ajmitch> she does live in sydney
[06:36] <Hobbsee> haha
[06:36] <LaserJock> does it snow much in Syndey?
[06:36] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: a few hours south, yeah
[06:36] <Hobbsee> not up here though
[06:37] <ajmitch> LaserJock: they don't know what snow really is there
[06:37] <ajmitch> they call winter anything under 20C :)
[06:37] <LaserJock> 20C??
[06:40] <ajmitch> hard to believe, isn't it?
[06:41] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:42] <LaserJock> considering room temp is 25C
[06:42] <Hobbsee> current room temp here was 14, before dad gave up :P
[06:42] <TheMuso> Hey all.
[06:43] <ajmitch> hi TheMuso
[06:43] <LaserJock> yeah, in the winter we try to keep our house at 14
[06:44] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:44] <ajmitch> currently it's a nice 8C outside
[06:45] <ajmitch> though probably dropping quickly
[06:45] <TheMuso> Tis a nice afternoon here in Sydney.
[06:45] <ajmitch> yes, Hobbsee is complaining about how cold & wintry it is :)
[06:45] <LaserJock> it's 16 here at 9:45pm
[06:46] <ajmitch> aw
[06:46] <TheMuso> I am not a fan of winter, but I certainly don't think it is freezing.
[06:46] <LaserJock> trouble?
[06:46] <ajmitch> yes
[06:46] <LaserJock> bah
[06:47] <TheMuso> LaserJock: You tested TeamSpeak yet?
[06:47] <ajmitch> see you later
[06:47] <Hobbsee> bye ajmitch
[06:47] <LaserJock> TheMuso: no, I took a while to get my mic working
[06:47] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[06:48] <TheMuso> So I don't have to use a microphone rigged up on a stand.
[06:48] <LaserJock> yeah, I got a cheap one
[06:48] <TheMuso> All the cheap ones here are crappy and uncomfortable.
[06:50] <Hobbsee> i like the one dad brougth home form the us :)
[06:50] <Hobbsee> no idea what it is though
[06:50] <TheMuso> This headset mic doesn't have any popping Ps which is fantastic.
[06:51] <LaserJock> heh, I hope mine's so bad everybody tells me to stop using it ;-)
[06:51] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Come on Teamspeak.
[06:51] <TheMuso> And test it.
[06:59] <imbrandon> TheMuso, are you trying to talk in TS ? your light is lighting up but no sound from you
[06:59] <TheMuso> I know. Using a different sound card now. Just bare with me.
[06:59] <imbrandon> ahh np , just was letting ya know
[07:07] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: welcome
[07:10] <LaserJock> hmm, what key do you guys bind for talking
[07:12] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: spacebar :P
[07:13] <LaserJock> no way
[07:13] <Hobbsee> haha
[07:13] <LaserJock> I'm doing Right Alt right now
[07:13] <imbrandon> lol winkey is good in my case
[07:13] <imbrandon> i dont use it for anything else
[07:13] <LaserJock> I don't have a good win key on my laptop
[07:14] <imbrandon> yea neither did Hobbsee
[07:14] <LaserJock> oh, I just fond it
[07:14] <LaserJock> found
[07:14] <LaserJock> way up on the top right
[07:14] <imbrandon> lol
[07:14] <Hobbsee> yeah, tha't snormal - that's where all the unused keysa er at
[07:15] <hub> looks like I'll have to make libgphoto2-2.2.0 packages
[07:15] <hub> but they are in main :-/
[07:15] <LaserJock> I played piano for a few years, I hate cold fingers
[07:16] <sean> hello people
[07:16] <hub> LaserJock: me too, but only for hacking
[07:17] <LaserJock> imbrandon, Hobbsee: can you hear me OK in there? I have no idea what I'm doing
[07:17] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: no
[07:17] <LaserJock> yeah, it works, I spent several hours doing it last night
[07:18] <Hobbsee> oh, that was you, right
[07:18] <LaserJock> Gnome here
[07:19] <LaserJock> imbrandon: whatever
[07:20] <LaserJock> no kidding
[07:21] <imbrandon> ping crimsun_
[07:21] <imbrandon> you alive / awake ?
[07:22] <LaserJock> bah, Sound Recoder isn't picking it up
[07:24] <LaserJock> ok, I'm going to have to figure it out tomorrow or something
[07:24] <LaserJock> I gotta get to bed
[07:25] <Hobbsee> okay, cya
[07:25] <LaserJock> at least I can connect ;-)
[07:25] <Hobbsee> yeah :)  and you can hear us
[07:25] <LaserJock> and can hear Hobbsee's au accent ;-)
[07:26] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: haha
[07:26] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: you just missed TheMuso's as well
[07:26] <LaserJock> yeah :(
[07:26] <LaserJock> ok, I'm off, goodnight people
[07:35] <crimsun_> imbrandon: pong
[07:36] <imbrandon> heya crimsun_ Laser_away was asking about someinthg on his sound you helped him with yesterday
[07:36] <imbrandon> was pinging for him
[07:57] <ajmitch> hm
[07:57] <Hobbsee> hm?
[07:59] <ajmitch> got a very cheap, very crappy headset
[07:59] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, you seen this yet ? http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/06/15/2229221&from=rss
[08:00] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: nice, you're testing it out?
[08:00] <ajmitch> not yet
[08:00] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, ajmitch sent me that yesterdya :)
[08:01] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:03] <Hobbsee> bleh.  the comments on that suck.
[08:03] <ajmitch> of course
[08:03] <ajmitch> we know there are no female developers
[08:03] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:03] <imbrandon> lol
[08:04] <Hobbsee> yes.  and i do not exist, and TS lies.
[08:04] <ajmitch> exactly
[08:04] <imbrandon> isnt there an alsa wrapper to make oss only apps use alsa but think they are using oss ?
[08:04] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, you are realy a man in antartica , witha voice converter going through a proxie in AU
[08:04] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:05] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: shh!  dont give away my secret!
[08:05] <ajmitch> no wonder Hobbsee complains of being cold
[08:05] <imbrandon> hahaha
[08:05] <Hobbsee> :P
[08:05] <ajmitch> well it's quite an accent there
[08:05] <imbrandon> good voice converter , the kinda the gov uses ;)
[08:06] <ajmitch> it can't be natural
[08:06] <imbrandon> guess it depends on whom you talk to weather or not you have an accent
[08:06] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:07] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: that is true.  you dont seem to have that much of an accent to my ears
[08:07] <Hobbsee> besides, lower voices are easier to understand, usually
[08:07] <imbrandon> heh
[08:08] <jsgotangco> are you guys still pimping the teamspeak server now
[08:08] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: it's still way lower than mine :P
[08:08] <ajmitch> imbrandon: it's also common for kiwis & australians to make fun of each other's accent
[08:08] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: I'd expect that...
[08:08] <imbrandon> kiwis ?
[08:08] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yes captain obvious :P
[08:08] <imbrandon> hahaha captin obivous , classic
[08:08] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: unless you were a cher impersonator or something
[08:08] <Hobbsee> ooh, scary...
[08:09] <Hobbsee> cant imagine being cher.  or her impersonater.
[08:09] <imbrandon> now i'm gonna have nightmare about a rhino that sounds like cher
[08:09] <Hobbsee> haha
[08:10] <imbrandon> ajmitch i'll ba back on in a bit i was trying to make ts use alsa so i can play mp3's too
[08:10] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: then that just comes thru your mic though...
[08:10] <imbrandon> not if i use headphones
[08:10] <ajmitch> and the desktop for irc
[08:11] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: yay! painted the plane orange and brown yet?
[08:11] <TheMuso> Will be back on in a bit.
[08:12] <jsgotangco> hmm it doesn't bode well with KLM's colours
[08:12] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: you're heading to paris?
[08:12] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: paint the entire plane to combat that
[08:12] <jsgotangco> ajmitch: YES WITH A SPECIAL HANDWRITTEN SCHENGEN VISA
[08:12] <imbrandon> heh i never got recording to work so i just turned it off, did you ajmitch ?
[08:12] <ajmitch> imbrandon: worked for me
[08:12] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: nice!  so you ddi get one
[08:13] <ajmitch> imbrandon: since I'll probably be sleeping during BOFs, I thought I'd try it out
[08:13] <imbrandon> mine just made a 44 bit file that wont playback
[08:13] <imbrandon> 44 bite
[08:13] <imbrandon> byte
[08:13] <imbrandon> grr
[08:13] <jsgotangco> Hobbsee: yeah, they were being apologetic for the delays
[08:13] <ajmitch> plus I've got sound bites of hobbsee to stick together in some random fashion
[08:13] <imbrandon> hahahaha
[08:13] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: nooooo!
[08:13] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: great to hear
[08:13] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: hehe
[08:14] <ajmitch> hah
[08:14] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: hiya dude.  How do you feel about a status meeting in an hour?
[08:14] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: give him lots of trouble :P
[08:14] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: I should be around, I think
[08:14] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: has he been naughty?
[08:14] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:14] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: he's been recording me, and he's going to do nasty things with the data!
[08:14] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: put it on teh intarweb?
[08:15] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: as if I would...
[08:15] <Hobbsee> so yes, he has been very naughty!
[08:15] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: you'd better not :P
[08:15] <ajmitch> Hobbsee is just paranoid
[08:16] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: well, yeah.  do i have reason to be though?
[08:16] <ajmitch> no
[08:16] <imbrandon> i serouisly doubt ajmitch has so little things to do that he can put it on teh intarweb ;)
[08:16] <Hobbsee> okay
[08:17] <imbrandon> sides , you would have to spend time editing it to get it to say anything jucy ;)
[08:17] <ajmitch> imbrandon: she just doesn't trust me
[08:17] <ajmitch> exectly
[08:17] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: sure i do :)
[08:17] <Hobbsee> good point.
[08:17] <imbrandon> i dont even rember what we was talking about but i realy doubt anyone would care on teh intarweb ;)
[08:18] <imbrandon> other than script kiddies that are like ...
[08:18] <imbrandon> ZOMG !!11 a girlz, pix plz
[08:18] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: that's the sort of thing that's *exactly* likely to happen, if someone found it :P
[08:18] <imbrandon> a coolz pix on a pony
[08:19] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, yea probbly , sad but true
[08:19] <TheMuso> Is it worth going back on?
[08:19] <TheMuso> TO teamspeak that is?
[08:19] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: OMG ur a grl??!
[08:19] <imbrandon> lol
[08:20] <jsgotangco> lol
[08:20] <imbrandon> from antartica
[08:20] <imbrandon> and blue fingers
[08:20] <Hobbsee> yes
[08:21] <imbrandon> ok brb , time to grab some dew then back onto ts and ummmm something productive
[08:21] <TheMuso> heh
[08:21] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: ooh, jpeg, then!
[08:21] <Mithrandir> ;-P
[08:21] <imbrandon> hahahaha
[08:21] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: just look in irc logs for photos..
[08:22] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: I'm too lazy.
[08:23] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: http://tinyurl.com/hus8e <-- there you go
[08:23] <ajmitch> heh
[08:23] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: ooh, shiny.
[08:23] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[08:24] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: that'd be an awful lot of logs to look thru..
[08:24] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: grep is your friend
[08:24] <imbrandon> heh
[08:24] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yes, but for what exactly?
[08:25] <imbrandon> ls |grep Hobbsee http://
[08:25] <ajmitch> aha, found it
[08:25] <Hobbsee> heh.  dammit.
[08:26] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: which pictures did i give otu again?
[08:26] <imbrandon> lol
[08:26] <Hobbsee> to the main channel, that is
[08:26] <Hobbsee> my car ones, probably...
[08:26] <ajmitch> 1 with the car
[08:26] <ajmitch> that's the only car one I've seen
[08:26] <Hobbsee> oh okay
[08:26] <zakame> hi all
[08:26] <Hobbsee> hey zakame
[08:26] <imbrandon> heya zakame
[08:26] <ajmitch> hey zakame
[08:26] <TheMuso> Hey zakame.
[08:27] <zakame> heya guys! just moved to kubuntu, it rocks
[08:27] <imbrandon> ;) yes it does
[08:27] <Hobbsee> zakame: yay!  welcome to the dark side!
[08:27] <ajmitch> zakame: my condolences
[08:27] <imbrandon> haha
[08:28] <TheMuso> But I might just stay put in GNOME anyway.
[08:28] <imbrandon> there we go TS back online
[08:28] <imbrandon> i THINK using alsa
[08:29] <zakame> heh
[08:29] <zakame> e
[08:29] <Hobbsee> haha
[08:29] <Hobbsee> thought it was going to kick for flodding
[08:29] <Hobbsee> *flooding
[08:32] <makko> will google earth be added to an ubuntu repository?
[08:32] <hub> makko: only if it is allowed, in multiverse
[08:33] <hub> but in general we try to just avoid these
[08:34] <makko> hub: oh, so it's still not clear whether it has a licence similar to the new java licence?
[08:34] <hub> makko: in general, we prefer to avoid
[08:35] <hub> how to support a software you can't fix?
[08:35] <makko> hub: that's a good point indeed
[08:35] <makko> hub: well, i hope they'll open source it soon
[08:35] <Gloubiboulga> google earth can't be redistributed
[08:35] <hub> makko: unlikely to happen
[08:36] <jsgotangco> au revoir!
[08:36] <Hobbsee> bye jsgotangco!
[08:36] <ajmitch> bye jsgotangco
[08:36] <makko> Gloubiboulga: then maybe we should treat is as we treat skype or opera
[08:36] <TheMuso> jsgotangco: See ya.
[08:36] <TheMuso> Look forward to meeting you in Paris.
[08:36] <jsgotangco> cheers mate
[08:36] <TheMuso> hehehe
[08:36] <hub> makko: I just think it does not belong here
[08:36] <hub> like Flash
[08:37] <hub> does not
[08:37] <Gloubiboulga> makko, I'm not sure that it's possible
[08:40] <zakame> hmm can anyone update a malone bug's importance? I can't seem to update nbd's
[08:40] <crimsun_> zakame: access control for changing Importance has been adjusted
[08:42] <imbrandon> sudo reboot
[08:42] <imbrandon> err
[08:47] <zakame> crimsun_: hmm?
[08:48] <crimsun_> zakame: I think you have to be part of 'Ubuntu QA' now?
[08:48] <crimsun_> (though you should have priv by being MOTU)
[08:50] <robitaille> so who is a member of that Ubuntu QA team?
[08:50] <crimsun_> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-qa
[08:51] <zakame> hmm yes,
[08:52] <crimsun_> zakame: which bug are you referring to?
[08:55] <zakame> maonle 49839
[08:56] <zakame> malone 49839
[08:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 49839 in nbd "please sync 2.8.3-2 from Debian" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/49839
[08:57] <zakame> Yoe's last post (read on planet debian) should say why
[08:58] <crimsun_> I presume you're attempting to change the Importance for (Ubuntu)?
[09:00] <sivang> crimsun_: there is an Ubuntu QA team?
[09:00] <ajmitch> sivang: there is now
[09:00] <Hobbsee> morning siretart
[09:00] <Hobbsee> ooops
[09:00] <sivang> ajmitch: ah, nice, since when ?
[09:01] <Hobbsee> morning sivang
[09:01] <zakame> crimsun_: yes
[09:01] <ajmitch> sivang: since about 2 days ago
[09:01] <siretart> Hobbsee: I'm awake as well. good morning :)
[09:01] <ajmitch> morning sivang, siretart ;)
[09:01] <Hobbsee> hehe hi siretart - wrong nick completion :P
[09:01] <zakame> hi sivang
[09:02] <crimsun_> zakame: you probably want to address that in #launchpad. In the meantime, what do you need it set to?
[09:02] <sivang> morning siretart
[09:02] <sivang> morning ajmitch :-)
[09:02] <Hobbsee> siretart: sorry for the accidental ping
[09:05] <siretart> huhu ajmitch, hi sivang
[09:05] <zakame> crimsun_: to High... I would also add a comment that I think a packport is necessary
[09:05] <zakame> hi too siretart ! =)
[09:05] <zakame> *backport
[09:06] <crimsun_> zakame: because there are no Ubuntu modifications, it'll be synced automatically in Edgy. I presume you meant s/packport/dapper-updates/ ?
[09:07] <zakame> crimsun_: that would be great then :)
[09:07] <zakame> brb
[09:12] <imbrandon_> i got TS to work with KDE sound ( alsa ) , very simple after i figured it out
[09:12] <ajmitch> imbrandon_: careful, she may bite
[09:12] <sivang> so , is the QA team comes to replace the bugsquad etc? or does it have more string implications for us?
[09:12] <imbrandon_> lol
[09:13] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: oh?  how?
[09:13] <TheMuso> imbrandon_: How did you do it?
[09:13] <ajmitch> imbrandon_: see? unprovoked attacks
[09:13] <imbrandon_> sudo apt-get install alsa-oss then ......
[09:13] <imbrandon_> lol
[09:13] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:13] <imbrandon_> modprobe -v snd-pcm-oss
[09:13] <imbrandon_> and start teamspeak
[09:13] <imbrandon_> all is groovy
[09:13] <imbrandon_> ;)
[09:14] <sivang> are you all on the voip server?
[09:14] <crimsun_> sivang: afaik the bugsquad will eventually feed into the QA team (ala ubuntu members -> ubuntu motu)
[09:14] <TheMuso> imbrandon_: Do you have to run it with the aoss command?
[09:14] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: you have to do that every time you want to run teamspeak?
[09:14] <imbrandon_> nope TheMuso
[09:14] <TheMuso> hmmm ok.
[09:14] <makko> while getting more and more updates, will dapper have new releases like the fedora "respins"?
[09:14] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee, not if you add snd-pcm-oss to /etc/modules
[09:14] <sivang> crimsun_: so everybody now helpning with bugs is part of the QA team?
[09:14] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: gotcha
[09:14] <ajmitch> makko: quite possibly
[09:14] <crimsun_> sivang: my understanding (perhaps wrong, ask sfflaw for details) is that bugsquad is a "proving ground" of sorts for the QA team
[09:15] <sivang> crimsun_: ah, I see, thanks, I'll make sure to ask him
[09:15] <makko> ajmitch: isn't there any official answer for this?
[09:15] <imbrandon_> TheMuso, no the kernel module that gets loaded remaps /dev/dsp ( the oss stuff ) to alsa so it tricks anything thats useing it
[09:15] <makko> ajmitch: i mean, aren't they talking about it?
[09:15] <ajmitch> makko: it'll be talked about in paris
[09:15] <Hobbsee> makko: from what they said a few days ago, i think so
[09:15] <makko> Hobbsee: wow, that's cool, because my current dapper has some bugs i can't live with :)
[09:16] <crimsun_> imbrandon_: um, snd_pcm_oss should be getting loaded anyway from the udev hook
[09:16] <makko> ajmitch: when is paris going to happen? this month?
[09:16] <ajmitch> makko: next week
[09:16] <makko> ajmitch: nice
[09:16] <imbrandon_> crimsun_, apperently not
[09:16] <ajmitch> crimsun_: yep, it is here
[09:16] <crimsun_> if it isn't, that's a bug, please file against alsa-driver
[09:16] <makko> ajmitch: thanks
[09:16] <imbrandon_> not in my case atleaste
[09:16] <imbrandon_> crimsun_, ok
[09:16] <crimsun_> imbrandon_: which driver?
[09:17] <imbrandon_> dunno how do i find out
[09:17] <crimsun_> cat /proc/asound/modules
[09:17] <imbrandon_> 0 snd_intel8x0
[09:17] <imbrandon_> onboard
[09:17] <crimsun_> imbrandon_: it's definitely supposed to be loaded by default. I use that driver.
[09:17] <imbrandon_> k
[09:18] <imbrandon_> yea i had / have to load it manualy or add it to /etc/modules to get it to load
[09:18] <crimsun_> do you have snd_pcm_oss blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/* ?
[09:18] <imbrandon_> not that i know of unless its default
[09:18] <imbrandon_> i havent blacklisted any modules
[09:18] <crimsun_> it's not blacklisted by default, I'm certain of that.
[09:18] <imbrandon_> *looks*
[09:19] <imbrandon_> k i havent done it myself either
[09:19] <imbrandon_> but i'll look to make sure
[09:24] <imbrandon_> crimsun_, yea just looked to make sure its not blacklisted anywhere
[09:25] <imbrandon_> crimsun_, i'm a newb when it comes to alsa so what info do i need to include in that bug report to make it usefull ?
[09:27] <crimsun_> imbrandon_: at this point you need to reproduce the issue (snd_pcm_oss not being loaded by default) on both Ubuntu and Kubuntu Dapper live cds
[09:28] <imbrandon_> k
[09:28] <imbrandon_> i can do that
[09:28] <imbrandon_> crimsun_, that should be loaded even without alsa-oss installed ?
[09:28] <TheMuso> imbrandon_: Yes.
[09:28] <crimsun_> there's no magic udev -- or alsa-base blacklist -- stuff to prevent snd_pcm_oss from being loaded, so I suspect it's a localised issue
[09:29] <crimsun_> alsa-oss is completely orthogonal to the issue
[09:29] <imbrandon_> ok
[09:37] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: we need to postpone the meeting a bit, I'm in the middle of debugging debian-cd.
[09:37] <ajmitch> ok
[09:37] <ajmitch> sparc issues? :)
[09:39] <Mithrandir> yes.
[09:39] <Mithrandir> they don't have anything to do with sparc per se, just something went belly-up while building images.
[09:41] <ajmitch> yeah, I saw the problem mentioned in #u-ports
[09:46] <\sh> moins
[09:47] <Hobbsee> hey \sh
[09:47] <imbrandon_> heya \sh
[09:52] <crimsun_> zakame: bug 49839 updated. I'm away for the better part of 9 hours (sleep, run, meeting prep, class), so please get approval from mdz for the upload to dapper-updates.
[09:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 49839 in nbd "Backport fix from Debian 1:2.8.3-2 for accept() error" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/49839
[11:00] <\sh> oh...is it true that the buildds are not in manual mode anymore?
[11:00] <\sh> [10:30]  <siretart> buildds again on manual?
[11:00] <\sh> [10:30]  <fabbione> yes
[11:00] <\sh> [10:30]  <fabbione> and they will stay that way for a little while
[11:00] <\sh> just a dream ;)
[11:02] <siretart> \sh: they were on auto yesterday evening
[11:02] <siretart> \sh: and the autosyncs have started already
[11:04] <\sh> siretart: no mails on auto-changes :(
[11:05] <siretart> \sh: thats right. btw, is there an rss feed for auto-changes?
[11:05] <\sh> siretart: I don't know, but if there are no messages on auto-changes ml, I doubt, that there is a working RSS feed
[11:39] <\sh> humm...to download nexenta OS I have to provide my name .. WTF?
[11:49] <rob> just make something up
[11:49] <rob> Idont Wanna usually works for me
[11:52] <Hobbsee> haha, i like that idea
[12:00] <siretart> is there an rss feed for wiki.ubuntu.com?
[12:03] <kelmo> gday
[12:16] <Toadstool> hi motus
[12:32] <ivoks> hi Toadstool
[12:39] <Toadstool> hey ivoks
[01:08] <andi5> hi. i am quite sure this is completely ot for this channel, where can i ask the following: 2.6.17 (found in pool) is configured not to have prism2 support, in stark contrast to what dapper provides... thanks in advance
[01:10] <\sh> andi5: #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-kernel is the right place :)
[01:10] <andi5> or knees down
[01:10] <tseng> because hostap covers most prism devices
[01:11] <tseng> aside from usb, which is included i believe
[01:11] <andi5> nope
[01:11] <andi5> <-- usb
[01:11] <tseng> and no, #ubuntu-devel is not the right place
[01:12] <\sh> tseng: it's kernel
[01:12] <andi5> tseng: i can go to -kernel, but maybe you know just as good... 2.6.16-23 had CONFIG_PRISM2_USB=m which depends on CONFIG_PRISM2 (=n in 2.6.17)
[01:13] <tseng> ask kernel
[01:13] <tseng> no one should be using edgy at this point imo
[01:14] <andi5> i do not use edgy.... i just saw the new kernel and wanted to try it out.... the dapper one (and the predecessors) tend to let kswapd0 go crazy (use 100% cpu, unkillable, heat cpu and force me to restart computer)
[01:20] <ryanakca> bibus has a premade deb, do I make a new one? or ???
[01:48] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: dude!
[01:48] <Hobbsee> um.  am i crazy, or did we get a kernel update, from 2.6.15-23 to 2.6.15-25?
[01:48] <Hobbsee> and why'd it skip a version?
[01:48] <Mithrandir> to make people ask questions. :-)
[01:49] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: haha, right.
[03:15] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:15] <Gloubiboulga> hey bddebian
[03:17] <bddebian> Hi Gloubiboulga
[03:24] <zakame> hi bddebian Gloubiboulga
[03:24] <bddebian> Heya zakame
[03:25] <Gloubiboulga> hey zakame
[03:26] <zakame> hmm what's the desktop shortcut for switching desktops under kde?
[03:26] <Hobbsee> zakame: there isnt one
[03:27] <\sh> ctrl+f1/f2/f3 etc.
[03:27] <kelmo> ctrl fX
[03:29] <zakame> \sh, kelmo: hmm that doesn't work, cntrl+f2 in particulr gives me the Run dialog
[03:30] <zakame> checked the Lifesaver, seems there's only the mousewheel shortcut
[03:30] <kelmo> thats what alt f2 gives me ;-)
[03:30] <\sh> zakame: did you change your xkb settings to change ctrl and alt ?
[03:31] <Hobbsee> zakame: i dont think there are any set.  i assigned mine to be ctrl+tab
[03:31] <zakame> \sh: nope, just using default settings
[03:31] <zakame> I don't really change keboard shorts unless there's strong reason
[03:32] <\sh> zakame: then it's by default ctrl+F[1-0]
[03:32] <zakame> \sh: oh, there you go, the run dialog earlier was Alt+f2 pala
[03:33] <zakame> man I'm loving yakuake
[03:35] <kelmo> its a handy tooll indeed
[03:35] <zakame> whoa I almost read that as `troll' :)
[03:36] <tseng> it's good to have a troll handy
[03:36] <zakame> hehe
[03:42] <kagou> hi
[03:43] <zakame> ji kagou
[03:43] <zakame> *hi
[03:51] <phanatic> afternoon people
[03:52] <bddebian> Heya phanatic
[03:53] <phanatic> heya bddebian
[03:55] <Gloubiboulga> afternoon phanatic
[03:55] <phanatic> hi Gloubiboulga
[03:56] <zakame> hi phanatic
[03:57] <phanatic> hi zakame, are you going on well with your soc project? :)
[04:05] <zakame> pretty much fine, learning a lot as usual
[04:05] <zakame> I hope to do my first major CVS commit later next week
[04:05] <nooby_god> crimsun_: are you here?
[04:10] <jdong|coreduo> is there a timeline for when universe will start syncing with Debian for Edgy?
[04:19] <phanatic> zakame: that's great!
[04:20] <zakame> jdong|coreduo: should be pretty soon
[04:20] <jdong|coreduo> cool
[04:21] <nooby_god> debuild -S, does not work for me, it says that I do not have a secret key
[04:21] <_ion> Generate one.
[04:21] <nooby_god> but I do have my secret key on the system
[04:22] <phanatic> hi raphink
[04:22] <raphink> hi phanatic
[04:22] <nooby_god> gpg --list-secret-keys shows my secret key
[04:22] <_ion> Set the key id in ~/.devscripts
[04:22] <nooby_god> I don't have a ~/.devscripts
[04:22] <raphink> nooby_god: use the -k switch
[04:22] <nooby_god> what does that do raphink>
[04:23] <raphink> nooby_god: debuild -S -sa -kyourkeyid
[04:23] <raphink> that forces using this key ID
[04:23] <_ion> raphink: Easier use ~/.devscripts
[04:23] <raphink> even if the name, email and comments do not match
[04:23] <raphink> _ion: maybe :)
[04:24] <nooby_god> debuild -S -sa -k50B90D41 --> like that?
[04:24] <raphink> yes nooby_god
[04:25] <_ion> +"It's" +"to"
[04:28] <zul> grumble grumble
[04:33] <nooby_god> bah, I have another error now
[04:34] <raphink> what is that?
[04:35] <nooby_god> pastbinning right now
[04:35] <nooby_god> http://pastebin.com/713031
[04:36] <nooby_god> it comapains about PKG_CONFIG
[04:36] <raphink> do you build depend on pkg-config?
[04:37] <nooby_god> yup
[04:39] <nooby_god> oh wait, now it works
[04:39] <nooby_god> I accidently had pkg-config in Recomends
[04:39] <raphink> ok
[04:39] <nooby_god> nvm, it faield again
[04:39] <raphink> hehe
[04:40] <nooby_god> The pkg-config script could not be found. Make sure it is
[04:40] <nooby_god> *** in your path, or set the PKG_CONFIG environment variable
[04:40] <raphink> well welcome to the packaging world nooby_god ;)
[04:40] <nooby_god> ahh
[04:40] <raphink> ah
[04:40] <nooby_god> I should have not picked audacious
[04:40] <nooby_god> raphink: what's the cure for this PKG_CONFIG thing?
[04:40] <raphink> well it tells you to read some doc
[04:41] <raphink> so I'd say look at it
[04:41] <raphink> or try to set this env var
[04:41] <raphink> although it's a bit weird, cause pkg-config installs in /usr/bin
[04:41] <nooby_god> I'm running sudo pbuilder build ../*.dsc
[04:42] <raphink> seems good
[04:42] <raphink> is your pbuilder up-to-date?
[04:43] <nooby_god> how do I check the version?
[04:43] <raphink> is it a dapper pbuilder ?
[04:44] <jsgotangco> hello
[04:44] <nooby_god> the other day I upgrated to an edgy one
[04:44] <raphink> edgy is not usable yet
[04:44] <raphink> the toolchain is being rebuilt
[04:44] <nooby_god> that would explain a lot
[04:44] <nooby_god> how do I downgrade?
[04:44] <raphink> nooby_god: you rebuild it
[04:45] <raphink> change the config and rebuild a dapper one
[04:45] <raphink> or just wait for edgy to be ready
[04:45] <nooby_god> raphink: I don't have a config file
[04:45] <raphink> in a week or so maybe
[04:45] <raphink> sure you do nooby_god
[04:45] <raphink>  /etc/pbuilder/pbuilderrc usually
[04:46] <raphink> and the apt.config/ dir in /var/pbuilder if you used this method
[04:46] <nooby_god> can't I just run "sudo pbuilder create --distribution dapper --othermirror "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper universe multiverse" ?
[04:47] <raphink> that's not the best way
[04:47] <raphink> imo
[04:47] <nooby_god> well, to late
[04:47] <raphink> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[04:52] <phanatic> if i would like something to get into dapper-updates, whom shall i assign the appropriate bug (with debdiff)? motu-reviewers okay, or is there another group for this purpose?
[04:52] <raphink> is the package in universe?
[04:53] <phanatic> of course :)
[04:54] <raphink> then  I'd say motu-reviewers is fine
[04:54] <raphink> although it might be faster to just send it to someone who can handle it
[04:54] <raphink> mdz needs to aprove it, though
[04:54] <phanatic> i've assigned them to motu-reviewers just before the release of dapper
[04:55] <raphink> ping mdz about it
[04:55] <phanatic> okay, thanks
[04:56] <phanatic> is there anything apecial about -updates versioning?
[04:56] <phanatic> i mean what comes after -0ubuntu2? -0ubuntu3 is fine?
[04:56] <raphink> yes
[04:56] <raphink> it's just the same
[04:57] <phanatic> thanks :)
[05:00] <zakame> hmm does konqueror have extensions support like mozex on firefox
[05:00] <zakame> (I kno,w OT, but asking anyhow, be sleeping soon)
[05:01] <Hobbsee> zakame: it has plugin support, certainly, but i dont know about extensions
[05:01] <Hobbsee> hey Yagisan
[05:01] <Yagisan> G'day Hobbsee
[05:02] <Yagisan> so, whats up ? (apart from dapper's plone eating my website)
[05:03] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: uni exam tomorrow, and we were randomly kicking people and other ops in #ubuntu-offtopic - was fun!
[05:03] <zakame> heya Yagisan
[05:03] <Hobbsee> which is really studying, i know...
[05:05] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: I got an offer from QTAC saying I can study at CQU. Now to hope the get my enrollment papers to me in time.
[05:05] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: CQU?
[05:06] <Yagisan> evening zakame
[05:06] <Hobbsee> central qld uni?
[05:06] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: yep
[05:06] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: nice!
[05:07] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: thank you. I'll head down to their international students branch at town hall and make myself at home this week
[05:08] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:09] <nooby_god> I'm still getting a PKG_CONFIG error and I'm using the pbuilder dapper
[05:09] <zakame> erm, do you have pkg-config?
[05:10] <nooby_god> yes i do
[05:10] <nooby_god> I get the error when I run  sudo pbuilder build ../*.dsc
[05:13] <bddebian> nooby_god: Even if you use the actual .dsc filename vs *.dsc?
[05:13] <nooby_god> bddebian: don't know about that
[05:14] <Yagisan> edgy open yet ?  I'll upgrade the box again.
[05:15] <nooby_god> bddebian: it still doesn't work even using the actuall file name
[05:16] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:17] <nooby_god> crimsun_: are you here?
[05:25] <Yagisan> so, Hobbsee, why are you getting a degree ?
[05:26] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: er, why?
[05:26] <Hobbsee> because it means i learn stuff, and will probably make me employable for my skills, and not just what i look like
[05:27] <Hobbsee> crud, that didnt quite sound right, did it?
[05:27] <zul> hehe..you are the troll under the bridge hobbsee? ;)
[05:28] <Hobbsee> zul: no, not when i last checked..
[05:28] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: heh. I've been arguing with my with over the value of a degree in Aus. I have a low opinion of it's value here (esp as most of my Industry is being outsourced to India)
[05:28] <Yagisan> s/with/wife
[05:29] <Yagisan> I see little benefit here, outside of the enjoyment of learning new things
[05:29] <Spec> Which is all that matters in education :)
[05:30] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: it gets me out of the house too, which is good
[05:30] <Laser_away> I value my degree since I have to have a PhD to do what I want to do :-)
[05:31] <Hobbsee> we'll see
[05:31] <jsgotangco> Laser_away: when are you arriving in Paris?
[05:31] <Laser_away> jsgotangco: It'll be ~ 11am Paris time
[05:31] <jsgotangco> the 18th?
[05:32] <Laser_away> um, yeah, I think
[05:32] <Laser_away> Sunday
[05:32] <jsgotangco> cool ok
[05:33] <Laser_away> how about you?
[05:33] <Yagisan> I've had the experience that all my qualifications have been just a piece of paper that only I care about.
[05:34] <Yagisan> Laser_away: what was your job again ?
[05:34] <Laser_away> Yagisan: Physical Chemistry
[05:34] <jsgotangco> Laser_away: i arrive on the 17th a few hours short of midnight
[05:35] <Laser_away> jsgotangco: wow, early
[05:35] <jsgotangco> well its almost saturday here already
[05:35] <lifeless> awesome
[05:35] <lifeless> man I was fat then
[05:36] <Laser_away> lifeless: ?
[05:36] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:36] <jsgotangco> hoverbook
[05:36] <Yagisan> Laser_away: sounds like fun. I liked physics in the sciences, specifically nuclear physics. I just don't see that as particularly employable here.
[05:36] <lifeless> Laser_away: ECHANNEL
[05:37] <Laser_away> lifeless: oh, sorry
[05:38] <Yagisan> how do I assign a bug to someone in malone ?
[05:38] <Laser_away> Yagisan: it's fun for the most part, computers are more "exciting" but I do like teaching/research
[05:38] <Laser_away> Yagisan: usually you don't
[05:39] <Laser_away> Yagisan: you might subscribe, but probably the person should assigne themselves
[05:39] <zakame> heh
[05:41] <Yagisan> Laser_away: ok. I'll wait for the zope team to assign themselves. Now to salvage my database
[05:44] <Yagisan> Good luck with your exams Hobbsee
[05:44] <zakame> gn8 all
[05:44] <zakame> ggood luck Hobbsee
[05:44] <Hobbsee> thanks Yagisan and zakame
[05:44] <Hobbsee> suppose i should sleep...
[06:10] <hub> just uploaded an update of a universe package
[06:10] <hub> but it depends on a newer version of a main package
[06:10] <hub> uploaded too
[06:10] <hub> (to REVU off course)
[06:12] <Spec> i have a few questions about packaging this program..., it requires mysql and the "install.sh" file asks for input (if not environment variable), does mysql stuff, and does Make, and calls some python occasionally
[06:13] <Spec> what's the best way to start to package this? rip apart install.sh?
[06:17] <phanatic> Spec: i have some comments about your new cxacrufw package :)
[06:17] <phanatic> s/about/on
[06:17] <Spec> yes? :)
[06:17] <Spec> I've fixed them already :p
[06:18] <Spec> phanatic = raphink?
[06:18] <raphink> haha no
[06:18] <phanatic> no :)
[06:18] <raphink> whatt makes you think so?
[06:18] <phanatic> i just don't have rights to post comments to revu, so i asked raphink to do that for me :)
[06:18] <Spec> reviewer<EMAIL_ADDRESS>--> comments by Szilveszter
[06:19] <Spec> ah, okay :p
[06:19] <raphink> ah ok
[06:19] <Spec> well, fixed anyways :)
[06:19] <phanatic> Spec: just a versioning issue. the source's version should be 1.2-0ubuntu1
[06:20] <Spec> yeap, i knew the version was wrong
[06:20] <phanatic> Spec: and please don't bump the revision when you upload a new source pkg to revu
[06:20] <raphink> anyway
[06:20] <Spec> oki, sorry, didn't know :p
[06:20] <raphink> I'm going
[06:20] <raphink> laters
[06:20] <Spec> see ya
[06:21] <Spec> phanatic: do you know where the wiki is for versions?
[06:21] <phanatic> bye raphink
[06:21] <phanatic> Spec: uh, no idea, sorry...
[06:56] <LaserJock> anybody know what Joel Bryan Juliano's IRC nick is?
[06:57] <ogra> LaserJock, joelbryan i think
[06:57] <LaserJock> hmm
[06:57] <Spec> joelbryan
[06:58] <Spec> says LP
[06:58] <LaserJock> ah, shoulda thought of that
[08:43] <snips> crimsun_ are you here?
[09:23] <ryanakca> bibus has a premade deb, do I make a new one? or ???
[09:30] <LaserJock> ryanakca: a .deb is useless to us, we need source packages
[09:30] <ryanakca> so... a .dsc?
[09:31] <LaserJock> .dsc, diff.tgz, and .orig.tar.gz
[09:34] <ryanakca> hmmm... and if an app doesn't have a .tar.gz package... well they do, just that it's out of date and they suggest not to use it... but anywais, if they only have svn... ex: svn co http://code.djangoproject.com/svn/django/trunk/           what do I do? make a gziped tarball?
[09:35] <LaserJock> yep
[09:35] <ryanakca> kk, ty
[09:37] <_ion> AFAIR it's created automatically by debuild (therefore dpkg-buildpackage) automatically, if you (cd django && svn export ../django-12.34) && cp -a django-12.34 django-12.34.orig && (cd django-12.34 && debuild -S)
[09:38] <LaserJock> yeah, with the .orig it might work, usually it just creates a native package
[09:41] <highvoltage> i can ask newbie packaging questions here, right?
[09:42] <Gloubiboulga> highvoltage, sure
[09:43] <LaserJock> highvoltage: of course ;-)
[09:43] <highvoltage> kewl :)
[09:43] <crimsun_> no way, doc team members are supposed to know it all already!
[09:44] <highvoltage> lintian complains that i don't run update-menus isn't run in postinst or postrm, but there doesn't seem to be such an executable?
[09:44] <LaserJock> crimsun_: hehe, trust me, they don't ;-)
[09:44] <crimsun_> update-menus is in menu-xdg. Is menu-xdg installed?
[09:44] <crimsun_> err
[09:45] <crimsun_> menu, rather
[09:45] <highvoltage> no, it wasn't installed. is that normal?
[09:45] <highvoltage> should i add menu as a dependency then?
[09:52] <sladen> highvoltage: if it's a requirement, yes
[09:52] <highvoltage> sladen: thanks
[09:53] <sladen> highvoltage: otherwise, test for the presence, eg.  test -x /usr/bin/update-menus && /usr/bin/update-menus
[09:54] <highvoltage> oooh, cool tip
[09:58] <ryanakca> for  a program that is packaged for the first time, the version would be... 0ubuntu1 ? it isn't in debian...
[09:58] <Gloubiboulga> ryanakca, yes
-0ubuntu1
[09:59] <ryanakca> kk, ty
[10:04] <bockman> crimsun_, hey, i was just wondering how that openvpn bug #45827 was going
[10:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45827 in openvpn "openvpn old security problems (Breezy)" [Medium,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/45827
[10:08] <crimsun_> bockman: thanks for checking; I think Martin hasn't looked yet, will ping now
[10:08] <crimsun_> hmm, or not, since he's not online
[10:09] <crimsun_> bockman: I shouldn't upload w/o at least his once-over
[10:10] <bockman> alright, you'll change the status on the bug report when it's uploaded?
[10:10] <crimsun_> bockman: in any case, they're ready, they just have to be approved.
[10:10] <crimsun_> bockman: absolutely. For the record, which one{,s} are they? (I believe I'm subbed)
[10:10] <bockman> you mean the bug number?
[10:10] <crimsun_> bockman: yes
[10:10] <bockman> #45827
[10:11] <crimsun_> right, I am. Will do.
[10:11] <bockman> thanks.
[10:11] <crimsun_> thanks for continuing to follow up :)
[10:13] <bockman> no problem, i was fearing that i would annoy you, repeatedly asking about this
[10:13] <crimsun_> no, it's good to remind me. :) I just have a lot on my plate atm.
[10:33] <highvoltage> how do i get my gpg key into revu?
[10:35] <jpatrick> send it to the admins
[11:15] <TheMuso> Hey MOTUs.
[11:15] <LaserJock> hi TheMuso


[00:48] <Guest46355> hi
[17:08] <MTecknology> !info php5
[17:08] <ubot2> MTecknology: php5 (source: php5): server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (metapackage). In component main, is optional. Version 5.3.2-1ubuntu4.1 (lucid), package size 1 kB, installed size 20 kB


[18:44] <Mlpe> Hello, any body as successfully installed an Ubuntu distribution on a laptop NX8420  ?


[04:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- rikmills, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4752 Dependency wait (focal/plasma-desktop, focal/powerdevil, focal/systemsettings). Diff missing (focal/breeze, focal/drkonqi, focal/kactivitymanagerd, focal/kde-gtk-config, focal/kdeplasma-addons, focal/kwallet-pam, focal/kwin, focal/plasma-discover, focal/plasma-integration, focal/plasma-nm). Pending binary packages (focal/plasma-workspace)
[05:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- rikmills, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4752 Dependency wait (focal/plasma-desktop, focal/powerdevil, focal/systemsettings). Diff missing (focal/breeze, focal/drkonqi, focal/kactivitymanagerd, focal/kde-gtk-config, focal/kdeplasma-addons, focal/kwallet-pam, focal/kwin, focal/plasma-discover, focal/plasma-integration, focal/plasma-nm, focal/plasma-workspace)
[07:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- paelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4747 Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination
[11:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- rikmills, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4752 Diff missing (focal/breeze, focal/drkonqi, focal/kactivitymanagerd, focal/kde-gtk-config, focal/kdeplasma-addons, focal/kwallet-pam, focal/kwin, focal/plasma-discover, focal/plasma-integration, focal/plasma-nm, focal/plasma-workspace, focal/powerdevil, focal/systemsettings). Pending binary packages (focal/plasma-desktop)
[11:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- rikmills, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4752 Diff missing


[03:32] <arraybolt3> Does anyone know if pull-lp-source uses https for its downloads or not? I know it's a significant part of the Ubuntu development tools but the frequent inability for it to verify package GPG signatures due to missing keys is worrying.
[03:32] <arraybolt3> If it uses HTTPS, I'll just not worry about it, but otherwise I'll manually verify stuff.
[03:37] <arraybolt3> (btw, would it be useful if I added a feature to pull-lp-source that used the keyring of the current user to help verify packages, so that you can just add the keys of maintainers you trust to your own keyring and have them integrate into pull-lp-source automatically?)
[09:59] <mlankhorst> pbuilder doesn't work to build i386 any more..
[10:02] <JackFrost> Going to guess because you use the aptitude backend?
[10:02] <mlankhorst> yeah, is there a workaround?
[10:04] <JackFrost> Use the apt one instead: PBUILDERSATISFYDEPENDSCMD=/usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends-apt
[10:05] <mlankhorst> ah, thanks
[10:05] <mlankhorst> beats trying to compile aptitude for debian first then finding a way to stuff that into the chroot. :)
[10:05] <JackFrost> Sure.  Aptitude handles certain situations better, but oh well.
[13:59] <Laibsch> Hello, can I motivate one of you to sponsor an SRU by adding a necessary run-time dependency to python3-poetry and improve OOTB user experience for jammy LTS as requested in bug 1958227?  debdiff is available, this should be a very low-hanging fruit
[13:59] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Bug 1958227 in poetry (Ubuntu) "Traceback when calling 'poetry' command: ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'cachecontrol'" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1958227
[15:26] <jbicha> Laibsch: hi, I hope things are going well with you. If Ubuntu 22.10 is also affected, it would be nice to fix this issue there at the same time
[15:35] <rbasak> bdmurray: I released Bionic for bug 1998265, but what's the plan for the others?
[15:35] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Bug 1998265 in python-apt (Ubuntu Kinetic) "OverFlow error when using cnf-extractor" [Undecided, Fix Committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1998265
[15:36] <rbasak> bdmurray: do you consider Focal verified because it's just the autopkgtest in the test plan and that passed?
[15:37] <rbasak> And the same for bug 1998488 I guess?
[15:37] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Bug 1998488 in python-apt (Ubuntu Kinetic) "Wrong type annotation in apt.progress.text.AcquireProgress" [Undecided, Fix Committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1998488
[16:49] <Laibsch> jbicha: Thank you for picking this up.  I usually focus only on LTS.  Kinetic only has a few months of life left in it.  Do you really want to tackle this for kinetic?
[16:51] <arraybolt3> I think Kinetic is supported until July, which is still about 6 months. It only has 9 months of support, so from Kinetic's standpoint, it's young yet.
[16:52] <jbicha> I think my understanding is that it's recommended but not a hard requirement to also SRU the stable releases after the release you are fixing.
[16:53] <jbicha> In this case, it seems like the bugfix verification should be simple and it's a high severity bug so I think it's worth fixing for Kinetic too
[17:08] <Laibsch> yes, very simple verification
[17:13] <Laibsch> updated bug 1958227 with a debdiff for kinetic
[17:13] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Bug 1958227 in poetry (Ubuntu Jammy) "Traceback when calling 'poetry' command: ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'cachecontrol'" [High, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1958227
[17:53] <Laibsch> I believe the fix for bug 1963794 which was sponsored to Lunar on my behalf might introduce a regression.  I don
[17:53] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Bug 1963794 in squid-deb-proxy (Debian) "apt-avahi-discover script uses deprecated asyncore module" [Unknown, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1963794
[18:49] <GunnarHj> Laibsch: Sponsored bug #1958227. As regards bug #1963794 I can't help wondering why a Python deprecation warning motivates an SRU.
[18:49] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Bug 1958227 in poetry (Ubuntu Jammy) "Traceback when calling 'poetry' command: ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'cachecontrol'" [High, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1958227
[18:49] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Bug 1963794 in squid-deb-proxy (Ubuntu) "apt-avahi-discover script uses deprecated asyncore module" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1963794
[19:03] <GunnarHj> Laibsch: Also, as regards 1958227, it's not fixed in Debian/lunar yet, is it?
[19:23] <GunnarHj> Laibsch: Please disregard my latest remark. I see now that python3-poetry depends on python3-cachecontrol.
[20:15] <mariogrip> Can someone add biometryd to the lto-disabled-list?
[20:15] <mariogrip> it wont work due to some dlopen issue (its plugin system)
[20:16] <mariogrip> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/biometryd/0.0.3~git20230110.a8818c2-1
[20:16] <mariogrip> i tried adding -lto to the rules, but does not seem to have any effect on ubuntu's infra
[20:17] <sarnold> there's some hints on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ToolChain/LTO
[20:18] <mariogrip> sarnold: i did exactly that, it works with sbuild. here is the diff http://launchpadlibrarian.net/645442124/biometryd_0.0.3~git20221003.39b529a-3_0.0.3~git20230110.a8818c2-1.diff.gz
[20:19] <mariogrip> here is the relevant part https://paste.debian.net/1266915/
[20:25] <sarnold> hmm, I wonder if the DEB_BUILD_MAINT_OPTIONS should have been reported somewhere in the build logs? I don't see it in https://launchpadlibrarian.net/645442589/buildlog_ubuntu-lunar-amd64.biometryd_0.0.3~git20230110.a8818c2-1_BUILDING.txt.gz .. it's so weird to see all the -flto=auto and so on in the logs even asking for it to be disabled in the rules
[20:45] <mariogrip> I think i found a bug, since if i use the exact same source and upload to both lunar and kinetic, the one built for kinetic setting -lto works but not on lunar
[20:45] <mariogrip> for kineti: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/645524054/buildlog_ubuntu-kinetic-amd64.btop_1.2.13-0.1_BUILDING.txt.gz and lunar https://launchpadlibrarian.net/645523879/buildlog_ubuntu-lunar-amd64.btop_1.2.13-1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[20:46] <mariogrip> sarnold: ^^
[20:47] <sarnold> mariogrip: oh *nice*! :) That's an awesome finding :)
[20:47] <mariogrip> will report it to dpkg
[20:52] <mariogrip> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpkg/+bug/2002582
[20:52] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2002582 in dpkg (Ubuntu) "Disabling lto does not work as it should on lunar" [Undecided, New]
[20:54] <rbasak> vorlon or sil2100: reminder to review https://code.launchpad.net/~racb/ubuntu-archive-tools/+git/ubuntu-archive-tools/+merge/429629 please. It's four months old now :-/
[20:55] <rbasak> Or maybe you could delegate a peer review to a non-AA person?
[21:56] <Psil0[m]1> genii: hey can you p8jg me when your on
[21:56] <Psil0[m]1> I really need to help somehow lol


[08:32] <foobarry> meh
[08:32] <foobarry> gloomy weather
[08:36] <foobarry> my phone is out for delivery so when i see lost guy in the street i keep thinking its him
[08:37] <shauno> if you see him, it's probably not the delivery guy.  they're trained by ninjas to sneak up and slip a 'sorry we missed you' note without you ever spotting them
[08:37] <foobarry> the first 3 links in the bbc "most read" today are from 2013 and 2012 :S
[08:48] <foobarry> http://imgur.com/a/eV8H7 work in progress
[09:02] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:06] <dutchie> hi brobostigon
[09:06] <brobostigon> hi dutchie
[10:34] <penguin421> better, I think
[10:34] <penguin421> hmm, not yet
[10:35] <penguin42> right
[11:44] <directhex> apparently nobody's in the market for a used desktop pc.
[11:55] <penguin42> the problem is new ones aren't that pricey; what spec?
[11:59] <foobarry> argh my sim isn't micro. scissors to the rescue
[12:03] <daftykins> directhex: trying to get rid? :)
[12:04] <daftykins> foobarry: i hope it's not an iPhone 6 you just got :P
[12:04] <foobarry> nope... moto
[12:05] <daftykins> ah-har
[12:05] <foobarry> i can get 6 moto for 1 ihpone
[12:05] <daftykins> :D
[12:05] <daftykins> nice model btw, those tiles look fiddly
[12:05] <foobarry> :D
[12:05] <foobarry> ta
[12:05] <foobarry> tiles were actually moulded as one block
[12:05] <foobarry> the main issue is a decent paint job
[12:06] <daftykins> ah i see, so it is to be a model of a rundown building
[12:06] <foobarry> yes
[12:06] <foobarry> diorama will have other stuff in it too
[12:06] <foobarry> maybe creeping vines and a tank
[12:06] <directhex> daftykins, yes.
[12:07] <directhex> penguin42, i7 920, 12G DDR3, 240GB SSD, 1TB SSHD
[12:08] <daftykins> foobarry: :D i look forward to updates
[12:09] <foobarry> :P
[12:09] <penguin42> directhex: Decent spec - how much were you asking for it?
[12:10] <directhex> penguin42, depends on whether i can find someone who'll take it with no GPU (i'd like to put it in my wife's PC, since she already has the same one, for SLI)
[12:10] <daftykins> lol SLI
[12:10] <daftykins> :)
[12:11] <daftykins> directhex: do you have anything up online about it? i have a friend in England who may know someone
[12:11] <directhex> daftykins, not yet
[12:12] <penguin42> directhex: cex do seem to buy desktops, but I bet they don't pay much
[12:13] <popey> i wonder if directhex has me on ignore
[12:13] <penguin42> directhex: I guess that's probably what - ~400 ?
[12:13] <popey> i responded twice
[12:13] <directhex> popey, bah, i need an IRC bouncer :/
[12:13] <daftykins> popey also needs to highlight people ;)
[12:14] <popey> i replied _immediately_ afterwards
[12:14] <popey> anyone who asks a question then walks away from the screen needs to re-evaluate their IRC use :þ
[12:14] <popey> by "immediately" I mean "10 mins" ☻
[12:15] <penguin42> popey: Depends on the channel; I know some channels with ~2 hour latency; it might be a challenge to wait that long
[12:15] <daftykins> hah, sadly that doesn't apply to channels i'm in :(
[12:16] <directhex> "don't irc if you have a toddler"?
[12:16] <popey> true dat
[12:16] <penguin42> my irc clients have this thing called a scrollbar - great invention
[12:18] <daftykins> hehe
[12:18] <daftykins> penguin42: cheeky chappy ;)
[13:10] <directhex> right, back from the park, toddler in bed
[13:10] <directhex> popey, please repeat your original response to my "pc for sale" query
[13:10] <popey> lolz
[13:10] <popey> 18:01:00 < popey> 13:28:34 < popey> possibly
[13:10] <popey> 18:01:00 < popey> 13:28:41 < popey> wot is it?
[13:11]  * popey wanders off ㋛
[13:13] <daftykins> XD
[13:13] <daftykins> i look forward to the conclusion of this transaction in Q1'15
[13:14] <shauno> an optimist, I see
[13:14] <daftykins> :)
[13:15] <directhex> lian-li PC-B25B; zalman power supply (at least 650W, i'd have to look it up); Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD5 motherboard; Intel Core i7 920, 6x2GB DDR3; LG BD-ROM/DVDRW drive; Kingston HyperX 240GB SSD; Seagate 1TB SSHD
[13:18] <popey> how much were you looking for?
[13:26] <directhex> 3-400? i dunno. low hassle is worth a big discount. what does ebay say for the parts? hm...
[13:31] <directhex> looks like an easy £150 for the cpu+mobo+some ram, few extra quid for the second 6gb, £30 for the case, £75 for the ssd, £50 for the sshd, £40 for the power supply, £25 for the optical drive
[13:31] <directhex> oh, and there's a windows vista home basic oem license on the back. and i'll toss in windows 7 pro upgrade and windows 8 pro upgrade licenses
[13:32] <directhex> £300 for the above (please note no GPU) seems fair to me
[13:32] <directhex> since you could strip & ebay it and turn a profit
[13:47] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/nqansosdlr83eea/IMG_20140920_144436.jpg?dl=0
[13:47] <daftykins> new free desk \o/
[13:48] <directhex> so much room for activities!
[13:51] <foobarry> hmmm wish i was in new look with the missis just now. she ordered an item, turns out the wrong one when she went to collect it, they wouldn't refund her, only give a store credit :@
[13:51] <foobarry> thats not legal
[13:52] <foobarry> said the product she ordered wasnt in stock anymore either
[13:53] <daftykins> directhex: and none to do! \o/
[16:53] <ali1234> omg wtf
[16:53] <ali1234> the video overlay key colour used by mplayer conflicts with the green font on nvidia's forums
[16:53] <ali1234> so if you have a video playing in the background when you visit it looks like you've got weird font corruption
[16:54] <zmoylan-pi> they're hoping this will make you buy a new video card? :-)
[17:39] <directhex> ali1234, who still uses colour key overlay for video playback? ._.
[17:39] <zmoylan-pi> hardware decoding for dvds?
[18:00] <ali1234> directhex: actually turns out it was from flash
[18:00] <ali1234> not mplayer
[18:01] <ali1234> specifically youtube
[18:01] <shauno> that doesn't sound right.  flash is a bastion of good behaviour and modern design
[19:35] <daftykins> http://www.twitch.tv/oculus Carmack talking dev
[19:37] <penguin42> There was an Oculus in CEX today - I was almost tempted
[19:37] <popey> yeah, i saw one in cex a few weeks back
[19:48] <tripleclones> hi all, I'm having some weird issues with a iwl3945 card on a thinkpad t60 running 14.04 - seems to only connect when it wants :(
[19:49] <daftykins> mmm, pretty old that one
[19:49] <daftykins> i think i've heard of there being two main drivers available and sometimes the other is the better
[19:49] <tripleclones> I have tried iwl-legacy as well
[19:49] <popey> ☹ intel wifi
[19:50] <tripleclones> yeah
[19:50] <popey> used to be the benchmark. has gone down hill over the years
[19:51] <tripleclones> this is a old device, was running 12.04 fine, I've read some people have similar issues on jessy and mint 17
[19:51] <daftykins> may as well carry on with 12.04.5 for another 2 years
[19:51] <tripleclones> thats what I was thinking
[19:52] <tripleclones> its a family laptop - the way it gets treated 2 years is wishful thinking ;)
[19:53] <daftykins> hahaha
[19:53] <daftykins> oh dear
[19:54] <daftykins> tripleclones: oddly i have the same card in an old sony ultraportable that's working just fine under xubuntu 14.04.1
[19:54] <tripleclones> um
[19:54] <popey> i have the same in my toshiba i think, not had a problem
[19:54] <daftykins> tripleclones: was it an upgrade?
[19:55] <popey> daftykins: you watching this carmack thing?
[19:55] <daftykins> popey: yes sir
[19:55] <tripleclones> daftykins: yes
[19:55] <daftykins> i'm no developer, but it's interesting :)
[19:56] <daftykins> tripleclones: hmm, wouldn't hurt to try a live session if you haven't
[19:56] <tripleclones> daftykins: if I'm going to reinstall fresh are you thinking it might be worth trying a fresh trusty first?
[19:56] <tripleclones> daftykins: I haven't - thats a good idea
[19:56] <daftykins> yeah sure, are you using unity though?
[19:56] <tripleclones> daftykins: yes it works fine for my family
[19:57] <tripleclones> it was easier moving to unity then it would have been teaching them to use windows 8 ;)
[19:57] <daftykins> hehe
[19:57] <daftykins> i just think for older hardware that xubuntu is a really nice setup
[19:58] <penguin42> mate is nice
[19:58] <tripleclones> problem is the main desktop family use for games (well minecraft) is unity - I like to keeps things consistent
[20:02] <daftykins> not sure how the desktop environment influences minecraft's use?
[20:02] <daftykins> maybe i'm being slow
[20:03] <tripleclones> it doesn't sorry
[20:03] <tripleclones> I just cant be bothered to change both and teach wife and kids
[20:03] <tripleclones> (mainly wife)
[20:03] <daftykins> :D fair enough
[20:03] <popey> is xfce still being maintained?
[20:04] <daftykins> pass!
[20:06] <tripleclones> popey: what channel is the carmack thing on?
[20:09] <daftykins> tripleclones: http://www.twitch.tv/oculus
[20:11] <daftykins> aaand it's done
[20:12] <tripleclones> ah I thought it was a documentary or such like


[00:04] <ojwb> more nasty than natty I feel
[03:15] <ojwb> hmm, and rebooting, I no longer have access to the launcher thing for some reason
[03:15] <ojwb> so I can't run any programs
[04:10] <ibeardslee> ojwb: does ctrl+alt+t start a terminal?
[04:20] <ojwb> it didn't seem to
[04:20] <ojwb> but I've figured out the issue
[04:21] <ojwb> while arguing with the monitor resolution, I'd left the laptop internal screen on
[04:21] <ojwb> so the dock thing was appearing there
[04:21] <ojwb> as was the terminal opened by ctrl+alt+T
[04:22] <ojwb> so that's fixed, but I still haven't managed to get the external display at the full res
[04:22] <ojwb> it's a cheap lcd tv, so I can believe it's reporting duff info
[04:22] <ojwb> but it worked in maverick
[05:07] <Moriartynz> good afternoon people
[05:08] <Moriartynz> I am a sort-of begiiner at linux/ubuntu, I did have flirts with it with various incarnations, and right up until 110.04, my eyetoy worked perfectly on Skype. Now?  hmmmm
[05:13] <ajmitch> Moriartynz: I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to use, but there are usefulsupport sites like askubuntu.com if there's noone who could help here
[05:16] <Moriartynz> aj, I have a sony eyetoy, comes with a PS3 usually, I used it as the video/,icrophone etc in Windows, Ubunto series all the way up 10 10.10 fine, now....
[05:17] <Moriartynz> the 110.4 upgrade and I have the Black screen of death. Works fine in cheese and  Empathy
[05:18] <Moriartynz> 11.04 upgrade.  I will have to try further feild then
[05:44] <ibeardslee> not used an eyetoy myself .. or even video via skype
[05:44] <ibeardslee> sorry
[05:47] <Moriartynz> I have had the eyetoy for some years now, and it worked "out of the box" with all ubuntu vers from 7 onwards includes 10.10  and all vers windows.
[05:47] <Moriartynz> hate to just bin it because it wont YET work with 11.04
[05:47] <ojwb> it's interesting that it works in other applications
[05:47] <ojwb> if I understood you
[05:47] <ibeardslee> if it is working with cheese and empathy .. it may be a setting in skype you need to adjust
[05:48] <ojwb> that means it's not simply bad drivers
[05:48] <ibeardslee> will be a setting in skype
[05:48] <ojwb> or some annoying incompatibility between skype and something
[05:52] <Moriartynz> reseach points to skype settings needful of change, but I cannot find the xml file spoken of
[05:54] <ibeardslee> in Skype's >> Options >> Video Devices  what are your choices
[05:54] <ibeardslee> ?
[05:55] <Moriartynz> looking brbr
[05:57] <ibeardslee> brb
[05:57] <Moriartynz> bear in mind that I am still much of a beginner with linux, file locations dont share my mental pictures!!   LOL
[06:07] <Moriartynz> hmmmmm    its take two weeks but SUCCESS
[06:08] <Moriartynz> LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l1compat.so skype   seems to do it, so I now have to work out HOW to fit that into library or as command the invokes skyp
[06:12] <Moriartynz> I have found  " v4/1compat.so" in the usr/lib directory, and it has a  yellow circle with a blacky wriggly line thru it, this denotes WHAT? and how to i fix that file?
[06:37] <Moriartynz> YES!!!!!   created a doc with "LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l1compat.so skype " as a single line entry and saved it as "skype chat"
[06:37] <Moriartynz> created a new launcher and browsed to the file mentioned as the command and the NAME as skype chat. and TYPE as 'application"
[06:37] <Moriartynz> saved it all off.
[06:37] <Moriartynz> Works!!
[06:40] <Moriartynz> any wellintonians here?
[07:02] <ibeardslee> Moriartynz: Yes
[07:12] <ojwb> he/she waited a whole minute for a response...
[20:27] <ojwb> morning (I guess you'd call it)


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[00:20] <virtuald> sensiva: meow
[00:38] <DrHalan> mh
[00:38] <DrHalan> somebody need any help? im bored..
[00:44] <penguin42> well I don't suppose you what the right way to debug gnome/dbus/vfs issues is do you?
[00:45] <penguin42> (although it's not on +1)
[00:59] <penguin42> but, time for bed
[05:16] <sylon> i get the following error when trying to play a music mp3 file in exaile on maverick, anyone having same issue? http://pastebin.com/L32TB9SE
[06:30] <benni> hi there, how can I remove the leftsided bar in unity, is there a way? I want to use docky instead but didn't find a way to remove it. takes up too much space on my netbook
[06:31] <DanaG> heh, last time I tried to install unity default settings... it came up with a conflict.
[06:32] <DanaG> unity default settings depends on netbook default settings... and netbook default settings conflicts with unity default settings.
[06:44] <DanaG> WARNING: Failed to parse default value `[????????? ???????;gnome-appearance-properties.desktop,????????? ???????????? ???????????;gnome-default-applications.desktop,?????????? ??????????;system-config-printer.desktop] ' for schema (/schemas/apps/control-center/cc_actions_list)
[06:44] <DanaG> wow, that's just ONE line.
[06:44] <DanaG> But it's hideous.
[07:40] <benni> is there a way to customize unity at all at the moment? it replaced my netbook shell on maverick and I can't even change it? ^^ Not that I mind, but customizing it would be nice
[09:35] <pa> hi
[09:35] <pa> anybody using irda on new ubuntu?
[10:18] <dupondje> drwxr-xr-x.
[10:18] <dupondje> anyone knows what the . means ?
[10:25] <DanaG> "man ls" may tell.
[11:00] <tsimpson> dupondje: "GNU `ls' uses a `.' character to indicate a file with an SELinux security context, but no other alternate access method." from "info ls"
[17:42] <gnomefreak> has anyone that is here not upgrade initramfs-tools to version 0.96.1ubuntu4?
[17:44] <Ian_corne> Not me
[17:45] <gnomefreak> you havent or have?
[17:45] <Ian_corne> I have 0.96.1ubuntu4
[17:46] <gnomefreak> ok thanks
[17:47]  * gnomefreak really needs to learn bot+sed i know both seperate but not together :(
[17:54] <Daekdroom> What's the update-manager parameter that'll only download the packages?
[17:54] <gnomefreak> there maybe a setting in the UI to do that
[17:54] <Daekdroom> I think aptitude has it..
[17:54] <gnomefreak> s/maybe/should (helpful if there is one)
[17:55] <gnomefreak> apt aptitude smartpm all have it
[17:55] <Daekdroom> aptitude -d
[17:55] <Daekdroom> hm
[17:56] <gnomefreak> update-manager -s not very useful but man should be better
[17:56] <gnomefreak> s/-s/-h
[17:56] <gnomefreak> seems it doesnt have one, -h not man show it
[17:57] <gnomefreak> just check for and friends
[17:57] <Daekdroom> I'll try -s
[17:57] <Daekdroom> Atleast that'll make sure it will not install anything xD
[17:57] <gnomefreak> -s, --sandbox         Test upgrade with a sandbox aufs overlay


[02:37] <a_beautiful_mime> hi
[02:37] <a_beautiful_mime> I've logged into my user
[02:37] <a_beautiful_mime> but the super user pass doesn't seem to be accepted
[02:37] <a_beautiful_mime> also how can i view file permissons?
[05:58] <cdoublejj> any one know how to switch videos cards, or rather make one of the 2 video cards a primary display device
[06:02] <ianorlin> cdoublejj, two video cards of what kind
[06:08] <cdoublejj> 1 is a defualt VMware virtual card and the other is an AMD HD6570 that i pased through
[06:09] <cdoublejj> i tired aticonfig --adapter=all --initial -f and now i get blank screen on the vm both in console and the actial AMD card and monitor
[06:09] <ianorlin> cdoublejj, I don't know about vmware
[06:09] <cdoublejj> meh i'll just dump this vm and try another