[10:54] <meebey> isnt https://launchpad.net/libindicate deprecated and the project summary should reflect that?
[12:22] <altimer> hi all! can anybody help me with unity? long press on super key doesn't work for me
[12:48] <pvolzetor> hi, when will be fixed low res of arrows indicating windows number?
[12:48] <pvolzetor> window
[13:44] <ppd> hi, I wrote here a few days ago, asking whether some debugging/profiling work can be done by nvidia users as Unity/Compiz lags like hell on multi-monitor setups (I mean it's never as smooth as intel, but it's super-obvious on multi-monitor!). I was told a fix for that was in trunk and to be released. As we are now close to release I wonder if there will be another compiz/unity update in 12.10 or if this state is "final". Mutter bas
[13:44] <ppd> ed window managers perform much smoother as far as I perceive
[17:43] <quequotion> hello


[00:00] <riiot232> :)
[00:00] <riiot232> wait so where can I do the test?
[00:00] <riiot232> tests*
[00:01] <Bashing-om> riiot232: In the channel #test.
[00:01] <riiot232> ok
[00:02] <riiot232> thx
[00:07] <janat08> i'm trying to pass / as argument in CLI
[00:08] <janat08> i don't know how to escape it
[00:09] <janat08> nm
[00:09] <Seveas_> you don't need to
[00:11] <yuta> hi
[00:11] <yuta> f
[00:12] <yuta> im having an issue with an ubuntu live usb
[00:12] <yuta> 5 -10 minutes after login it returns back to login screen
[00:13] <yuta> boot.log only contains normal startup info
[00:13] <steelingbox> This is normal behavior
[00:13] <yuta> any idea?
[00:14] <yuta> even without logging in to the gui. using any tty gets me back to login screen after a while
[00:14] <yuta> it is really annoying
[00:16] <steelingbox> You really haveng given any useful info. Which version of Ubunu, hardware, etc.
[00:16] <yuta> last stable version, it is a live usb with persistence
[00:17] <yuta> i cant see anything useful, no error messages or anything like that
[00:17] <steelingbox> so 18.10?
[00:17] <Seveas_> where are you looking for messages, besides boot.log?
[00:17] <steelingbox> Hardware your trying to run on?
[00:17] <yuta> 18 04
[00:18] <yuta> only boot.log
[00:18] <yuta> i3 4 gb ram
[00:18] <yuta> whereshould i see?
[00:19] <Seveas> boot.log is mostly useless in this case. Try sudo journalctl -e and/or looking in /var/log/messages
[00:19] <yuta> ohh
[00:20] <yuta> write error,  no space left on device
[00:20] <steelingbox> I would also be interested in /var/log/messages
[00:20] <Seveas> Smell that? That's a smoking gun right there :D
[00:20] <steelingbox> you be out of memory!
[00:21] <janat08> why doesn't this command run, returning > instead
[00:21] <janat08> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/8s424j4Zwt/
[00:22] <Seveas> janat08: missing ' after Videos
[00:22] <yuta> what can i safely remove?
[00:22] <janat08> Seveas: ty
[00:23] <yuta> i dont have many files, must be filled up with cache
[00:23] <steelingbox> how big is the usb
[00:23] <yuta> 16 gb, but persistence is only four
[00:24] <steelingbox> Im assuming your installing apps as well?
[00:25] <Seveas> yuta: which application is comlaining about no space left, and which device is it complaining about? `df -h` and `free -m` should also help in finding the troublemakers.
[00:25] <OerHeks> that is the limit of casper rw, 4 gb
[00:25] <yuta> rsyslogd
[00:26] <yuta> it is the usb, im sure
[00:27] <Seveas> yuta: what do `free -m`, `df -h`, `mount` and `sudo du -shc /var/log` say? Could you pastebin the output please
[00:27] <steelingbox> Not true. Even if you run from a larger usb, your still stuck with casper limits
[00:27] <yuta> free shows help msg
[00:27] <yuta> my bad
[00:27] <yuta> swap, all zero
[00:27] <yuta> free 1131
[00:28] <steelingbox> You should have several tempfs directories
[00:29] <steelingbox> tmpfs*
[00:29] <yuta> freed some space; lets see if it happens again
[00:31] <yuta> write error log is gone
[00:32] <yuta> looks fixed, thx
[00:36] <janat08> I found 'dpkg -l' command for listing packages, is there a way to filter that to only show package names without the rest of info
[00:39] <Seveas> janat08: pie the output to `awk '{print $2}'` :(
[00:39] <Seveas> pipe*
[00:41] <OerHeks> awk '/Package:/ {print $2}' /var/lib/dpkg/status
[00:41] <janat08> I did: aptitude search '~i!~M' | awk '{print $2}'
[00:44] <OerHeks> sometimes the metapackage is more convenient: apt-cache search . | grep -i "metapackage\|meta-package"
[00:44] <Seveas> janat08: with aptitude it's actually easier: aptitude search '~i!~M' -F '%p'
[00:54] <janat08> Seveas: you could just add /usr directory to /etc and /var to just backup the applications right?
[01:15] <tpw_rules> hey so i'm on a 16.04 system where /etc/apt got completely removed. how do i restore it?
[01:15] <tpw_rules> i don't have any backups. i tried making a sources.list but it doesn't work because the keys aren't set up correctly
[01:18] <OerHeks> awesome, you need apt to restore the system .. how did you remove apt?
[01:18] <tpw_rules> it's on an embedded system where they presumably didn't want people doing this kind of thing
[01:20] <tpw_rules> ok so i fixed it with apt-key
[01:20] <tpw_rules> is there any way now to like refresh apt so it's set up correctly again?
[01:22] <OerHeks> so, how did you remove apt, and did you reboot after that?
[01:22] <tpw_rules> i didn't. someone else who made this system did
[01:23] <tpw_rules> anyway apt seems to work now
[01:26] <lowao> May I post questions here? I am getting permission denied after manually extracting the tar.gz file of Discord. Any idea why?
[01:28] <Bashing-om> lowao: Where did you extract it to ? Do "you" have permissions on that directory ?
[01:29] <OerHeks> how do you extract? tar -xvzf discord-*.tar.gz shopuld preserve the right permissions, then you should move it to /opt/
[01:30] <OerHeks> and the desktop launcher; sudo mv /opt/Discord/Discord.desktop /usr/share/applications/
[01:31] <OerHeks> maybe you get a warning, to trust that .desktop file, as you do things manually
[01:31] <OerHeks> :-D
[01:31] <OerHeks> snap install discord
[01:31] <lowao> I extracted it to ~/.local/share/Discord and ~/.discord even though I used tar -zxvf discord-*.tar.gz, but both complained about permission.
[01:33] <lowao> OerHeks I tried running ./Discord & Discord.desktop, but both of them returned with permission denied.
[01:35] <lowao> Bashing-om ~/.discord & /.local/share/Discord, but both returned with permission denied.
[01:36] <OerHeks> one should move that to /opt/ , like i posted above, do not run it from your /home/  folder.. why not install the deb or snap?
[01:36] <OerHeks> you get updates too, not by manually installing stuff
[01:41] <lowao> I'm pretty horrible with manually installation. So, I am just trying to expose myself to it. I can't get electric sheep to install either which must be installed manually as well. [electricsheep.org/] Would you mind explaining to me why some application install to the home directory or others do not? Discord vs Teamviewer for exmaple. OerHeks
[01:45] <OerHeks> well, you encounter that it won't start
[01:49] <lowao> Yea. It's bummer. Thanks for the help, anyway. OreHeks
[02:15] <lowao> OreHeks had to give it permissions to execute it.
[03:00] <newdyn> boa noite galera
[03:01] <newdyn> cade a galera do brasil
[03:10] <aphid> hi, fresh install of 18.10 on a new SSD.  went smooth.  the SSD is not showing in my bios boot selection UI but is showing if I hit f11 for that boot menu
[03:11] <dauie> Hello all, I recently bought a new wireless adapter (Asus USB-AC56), I have the drivers running fine 18.10, but the name that was automagically assigned to the iface is horrendous (wlx0492268c8794), and besides that it's length is causing an error in libpcap when activating an new handle. I followed this guide: https://rundata.wordpress.com/2013/11/20/renaming-network-interfaces/ to change my interface names, which worked for my pci wireless card, but not my n
[03:11] <dauie> ew usb wireless adapter. Does anyone have any insight on how to rename this interface? Much love in advance.
[03:12] <dauie> sorry my message got cut off. repost:
[03:13] <dauie> Hello all, I recently bought a new wireless adapter (Asus USB-AC56), I have the drivers running fine 18.10, but the name that was automagically assigned to the iface is horrendous (wlx0492268c8794), and besides that it's length is causing an error in libpcap when activating an new handle. I followed this guide: https://rundata.wordpress.com/2013/11/20/renaming-network-interfaces/ to change my interface names, which worked for my pci wireless card, but not my n
[03:13] <dauie> ew usb wireless adapter. Does anyone have any insight on how to rename this interface? Much love in advance.
[03:14] <malwar3hun73r> somehow i ended up with multiple version of php installed, looks like php7.0 and php7.2 - is it possible to remove 7.0?
[03:14] <malwar3hun73r> if i apt remove it shows up as php, php-curl, php7.2, php7.2-curl, etc
[03:41] <newdyn> ping
[03:41] <Gonandi> selamat pagi
[03:48] <Gonandi> \ping
[04:21] <gijoe3k> Hey guys and gals, would any of you be so kind to recommend your favorite video to animated gif maker program using ubuntu linux?
[04:24] <lotuspsychje> !info gifsicle | gijoe3k
[04:25] <lotuspsychje> gijoe3k: more goodies at: apt-cache search gif
[04:25] <gijoe3k> Thank you fellow traveler!
[04:40] <Eickmeyer> newd
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> can we help you Eickmeyer
[04:40] <Eickmeyer> LOL
[04:40] <Eickmeyer> Mistyped! lol
[04:41] <Eickmeyer> Was supposed to be a different word altogether!
[04:41] <Eickmeyer> lotuspsychje: Thanks, but wasn't actually here for help, and I don't normally type in here anyhow.
[04:42] <Eickmeyer> Sometimes I'm here _to_ help, but that wasn't the case just now.
[04:42]  * Eickmeyer dies
[04:56] <dradli> ^Peter^: hi
[05:00] <dradli> [diablo]: hi
[05:04] <dradli> Mr_Pan: hi
[05:13] <sectua1_> Anyone familiar with the riseup-vpn?
[05:14] <SlidingHorn> sectua1_: not supported here - third party software
[05:15] <snypzz> requesting help how to install ubuntu 16.04 or higher on ASUS Q525UA 2-in-1
[05:16] <snypzz> not working so far...
[05:16] <SlidingHorn> !details | snypzz
[05:16] <snypzz> msg me, note looked it up before I asked not looking good right now...
[05:17] <SlidingHorn> snypzz: no.  This is a public channel for a reason
[05:18] <sectua1_> SlidingHorn: Ubuntu clients were helpful getting around the errors in the .deb package
[05:27] <dradli> may i know what is ip transmitter?
[05:42] <testingthetest> hello
[05:48] <qwebirc11912> gcc 5.4.0
[05:49] <sandwitch> Hi people, we are having a problem with the session scripts in '/etc/gdm3/*/Default'  if we enable them the login page is 'looping'.  We see permissions problems in syslog on the DISPLAY. It is wayland, i dont think 'xhost +' has any effect.
[06:00] <Filikun> Hey I'm new to Linux and Ubuntu and having problems with my new install on an PC where sometimes I start the wifi works and sometimes it does not (a reboot solves it). tomreyn gave me some assistans but I've not figured it out yet.
[06:01] <sandwitch> Filikun, any messages from network-manager in '/var/log/syslog' ?
[06:02] <Filikun> sandwitch: How do I access that?
[06:16] <smallbird> hello
[06:16] <smallbird> how to shutdown os
[06:16] <smallbird> what is it this
[06:24] <Filikun> So what I can tell for mi wifi problem is that I have "Intel Corporation Wireless 8265 / 8275 [8086:24fd] (rev 78)" and the driver in use is "iwlwifi" (when it works that is)
[06:27] <ramot> test
[06:27] <Sir_leto> Quick question, I tried to resize my partitions on a data drive in windows so I'd have space to install Ubuntu, but it seems this disk was dynamic disk. Can I just grow the parition in gparted and then resize it?
[06:28] <Sir_leto> the LDM partition just appears as a single parition instead of 3
[06:29] <Ouyes> what does it mean if somebody tell you "paint ram's blood over your doorway"?
[06:30] <Sir_leto> I'm assuming you're running chrome and it's murdering your ram
[06:32] <Ouyes> Sir_leto, looks like a suitable explaination
[06:37] <Sir_leto> I guess 1am is not the time to ask questions
[06:37] <Sir_leto> nevermind that people just idle in here for weeks
[06:45] <Industrial> Hi. I have no sound card. Cat /proc/ etc (check screenshot) shows a configured card. Settings scren in Gnome only shows Dummy output. WHt now?
[06:45] <Industrial> https://i.imgur.com/tsP7D3n.png
[06:50] <guiverc> Industrial, I'm not sure what you're asking, but `sudo lshw -C sound` may provide more details about what sound card you have (most motherboards usually have one onboard)
[07:03] <Ouyes> SirNeo, So it is 1am at your place
[07:03] <rk42> hello
[07:04] <qwebirc84224> join
[07:04] <qwebirc84224> can anyone help me
[07:06] <benjamin_w> that's a fast quit tho
[07:17] <hans_> my English is bad. can you join the Channel Ubuntu-Mate?
[07:19] <hans_> give it a German Chat Ubuntu Mate?
[07:19] <EriC^> !de | hans_
[07:20] <hans_> danke
[07:21] <hans_> ubuntu-de hat funktioniert, danke
[07:21] <hans_> :quit
[07:53] <pseudonymous> If I have a crontab file in /etc/cron.d how can I
[07:53] <emrederseniz> hey there
[07:54] <pseudonymous> If I have a crontab file in /etc/cron.d how can I. (1) ensure the damned thing is ever run - is there a command to tell me when it'll be run ? (2) try to run it in the same env as cron and (3) where can I see what jobs (including this one) has actually run ?
[08:00] <talx> does anyone have ever accomplished to make preseeding installation
[08:00] <talx> and actually didnt select the keyboard layout
[08:04] <yuppieee> hello
[08:05] <dradli> yuppieee: hi there
[08:05] <yuppieee> dpkg failed miserably while installing puppetserver
[08:05] <yuppieee> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[08:05] <yuppieee> Setting up puppetserver (2.8.1-1puppetlabs1) ...
[08:05] <yuppieee> usermod: no changes
[08:05] <yuppieee> this just hangs
[08:05] <yuppieee> is there any way to fix this?
[08:05] <dradli> omg its devops topic
[08:06] <yuppieee> heh, just trying to get apt unstuck from a borked install
[08:06] <yuppieee> dradli: i've waited quite a while for dpkg to do its thing, but its not completing
[08:06] <yuppieee> any ideas?
[08:07] <EriC^> did you try dpkg --configure -a?
[08:07] <yuppieee> yes, thats the command thats hanging
[08:07] <EriC^> hmm you could try running it with strace to see whats the problem
[08:08] <EriC^> is it still hung?
[08:08] <yuppieee> open("/var/lib/dpkg/info/puppetserver.triggers", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[08:08] <yuppieee> yes its still hung
[08:08] <yuppieee> wait4(13721, usermod: no changes
[08:08] <yuppieee> this is where it's stopped
[08:13] <yuppieee> `usermod: no changes` is the last thing that gets spit out
[08:13] <yuppieee> i wonder if a reboot will help
[08:22] <yuppieee> https://dpaste.de/UFoa
[08:22] <yuppieee> not sure why apt is printing 'usermod: no changes' and just hanging
[08:26] <EriC^> yuppieee: this is similar https://bugs.launchpad.net/landscape-client/+bug/410378
[08:26] <EriC^> something about a trunk missing
[08:28] <yuppieee> EriC^: whats the fix?
[08:40] <talx> anyone have exprience with preseeding ?
[08:45] <AAAAAAAAAM> alo?
[08:50] <elevemaths> salut
[08:58] <eeos> Hi everybody. I have a lenovo Thinkpad X1 Yoga carbon laptop with *ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS 64 bit. My screen does not autorotate.
[08:58] <eeos> Anyone who can help?
[08:59] <nael> yo
[08:59] <nael> cv?
[08:59] <nael> repondez svppppppp
[09:01] <nael> cv twa?
[09:05] <ledeni> eeos: did you try to check setting -- devices -- Displays is any setting available
[09:10] <eeos> ledeni: not that I can see ....
[09:11] <talx> I'm having issues with preseeding installation. during the installation I get to the part of the keyboard layout which is english us I see its marked but it won't click on continue
[09:11] <talx> I'm working on it two days and anything that I found in google won't help
[09:20] <ledeni> eeos:  try in terminal 'sudo apt update && sudo apt install iio-sensor-proxy' log out and log in  you should see https://imgur.com/a/5tVKcNX
[09:27] <eeos> ledeni: thank you!
[09:28] <ledeni> eeos you are welcome
[09:46] <eeos> ledeni: it doe sno really work .... the screen rotates, even if I rotate manyally for example with xrandr, then the touch screen reverses as well, hence moving the finger on the screen right to left moves the cursors bottom to top
[10:11] <tasslehoff_> I ordered a Dell XPS13 with Windows, and now Windows will be replaced by Ubuntu 18.04. Should the installation be fairly straightforward? No UEFI, secure boot, RAID/AHCI ssd issues? Something I need to think about beforehand?
[10:14] <tim__> ciao
[10:32] <nojimonicous> hi all can anyone please be kind enough to skool me in use of alist (example of syntax placement) to search for channels on a given topic
[10:40] <nojimonicous> all gud ppl found an explanation i can understand
[10:40] <geirha> nojimonicous: /query alis help list
[10:43] <nojimonicous> geirha thanks
[10:50] <nojimonicous> geirha thanks so much getting that bloody command to work has been driving me nuts(bloody operator error lols)
[10:53] <arash_> hello?
[10:54] <jeremy31> !ask | arash_
[11:06] <arash_> hello?
[11:06] <arash_> anybody available?
[11:07] <arash_> I had a question about selinux
[11:07] <arash_> I can't start it
[11:07] <arash_> I mean enable it
[11:08] <arash_> If i change the status to enforcing
[11:08] <arash_> even after rebooting
[11:08] <arash_> nothing changes
[11:08] <arash_> and getenforce teruns disabled back
[11:08] <arash_> *turns
[11:19] <Meili> arash_: I don't think selinux is maintained for Ubuntu
[11:32] <CookieM> actually there are selinux packages in the Ubuntu repos
[11:32] <sabrehagen> I want to use a daemon tool in my Docker container, but mounting systemd volumes appears to defeat the purpose of containerization. Is there a user space daemon tool comparable to systemd?
[11:34] <zetheroo1> Why are people so opposed to systemd?
[11:49] <Seveas> sabrehagen: using a daemon tool also kinda defeats the purpose of containerization :)
[11:50] <Seveas> sabrehagen: if you just need proper child reaping, docker --init should work.
[11:51] <ctrl> SERVER IRC;RECYCLED-IRC.NET
[11:51] <ctrl> SERVER IRC.RECYCLED-IRC.NET
[11:59] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:59] <patron> hello
[11:59] <patron> Anyone thereee
[12:00] <patron> Why does my windows 10 look soo weird
[12:00] <patron> I updated it to the newest patch and it looks different af
[12:00] <patron> did i get hacked or something
[12:02] <patron> am I the only cringy dude here?
[12:02] <patron> maybe im too windows to be accepted in here
[12:12] <LuisM> hi there
[12:19] <EriC^> hi LuisM
[12:25] <maetthew> How would I go about to dual boot my PC with Ubuntu and Windows, but I only want to boot to windows when I specifically choose that drive to boot from
[12:25] <maetthew> Otherwise I would just like to boot straight into Ubuntu
[12:28] <EriC^> maetthew: install ubuntu it'll be the default in grub with windows there as well
[12:28] <EriC^> maetthew: do you have 2 drives?
[12:28] <LuisM> I've installed Windows 10 in UEFI mode (disk is in GPT mode). After that, I'm trying installing Ubuntu 18.04 LTS in only one partition (XFS). So, where do I need installing GRUB? In "EFI" partition created by windows or in very beggining of disk, like in old mbr style?
[12:28] <EriC^> LuisM: in the efi partition
[12:29] <EriC^> LuisM: it only matter which mode your mobo is set to use, not the root fs
[12:29] <LuisM> EriC^: so, after reboot, grub will own the bootloader process?
[12:29] <LuisM> like old way?
[12:30] <EriC^> LuisM: yeah grub will be booted first
[12:30] <LuisM> ok
[12:31] <EriC^> LuisM: efi is different than how mbr works, many bootloaders can exist in the efi partition, and there's a list in the mobo for which order to boot them in
[12:31] <maetthew> er. But I want that when I just power on the computer to go straight into Ubuntu unless I specifcally boot from the Windows drive
[12:31] <asenssy> hi there
[12:31] <EriC^> maetthew: ok, so no grub, you can remove the grub screen and only show it if you hold the shift key
[12:31] <LuisM> i've fucked my disk installing grub in very beginning of disk. I need to wipefs -a /dev/sdX =/
[12:32] <asenssy> how can I set umask so I can have permissions 655 by default
[12:32] <maetthew> first on my primary drive, and then W10 on my secondary?
[12:32] <LuisM> EriC^: Will mobo read that efi partition?
[12:32] <EriC^> maetthew: i ask if you have 2 drives cause it's important cause the installer will try to install ubuntu's stuff in the windows efi partition, rendering your ubuntu drive a non-standalone drive
[12:32] <LuisM> so, in setup i'll need to set "grub" as first one?
[12:32] <EriC^> asenssy: 0322
[12:32] <maetthew> EriC^: Yeah it's 2 separate drives. One 500GB and one 120GB
[12:33] <EriC^> asenssy: sorry 0122
[12:33] <EriC^> maetthew: ok, in that case i'd use the manual partitioning in the installer and create an efi on the ubuntu drive and let it use that one
[12:34] <maetthew> EriC^: Ok thanks.
[12:34] <asenssy> ok , thanks, i understand, but why can i set to 755
[12:34] <EriC^> LuisM: yeah once ubuntu installs itself and grub, lastly it calls "efibootmgr" and sets itself first in the uefi order
[12:34] <asenssy> can not, sorry
[12:34] <EriC^> efibootmgr -v      shows the list   "man efibootmgr" for all options
[12:35] <LuisM> EriC^: it sounds great, that way of mobo reading efi partition during post/bootstrap
[12:36] <LuisM> ok. I'll try
[12:36] <EriC^> asenssy: 655 is kinda odd, why do you want that?
[12:36] <asenssy> executable bit for owner is always missing
[12:36] <EriC^> asenssy: what do you want to do exactly?
[12:36] <EriC^> 655 doesnt make sense, it's read write for owner, and read execute for group and others, why would you not want the owner to have execute but others yes?
[12:37] <asenssy> I want the owner to have X
[12:37] <LuisM> EriC^: I've already removed "ubuntu" folder inside EFI partition. Although my mobo still recognize it. Do I need to fix anything else?
[12:37] <asenssy> but I can't set umask to crate files by default with 755
[12:37] <EriC^> LuisM: yeah uefi in theory rocks, in practice the companies make crappy implementations that are difficult sometimes to deal with
[12:38] <EriC^> asenssy: type "umask" right now what does it say?
[12:38] <LuisM> ineed
[12:38] <LuisM> indeed*
[12:38] <asenssy> 0011
[12:39] <asenssy> but owner doesn't have exec bit
[12:39] <EriC^> yeah same for me
[12:41] <asenssy> the only way if i want to set x bit is manually with chmod
[12:41] <asenssy> i can not set it by default to crate files with x for the owner
[12:43] <EriC^> asenssy: not sure there's another way without chmod after creating
[12:43] <asenssy> ok, thanks
[12:45] <LuisM> EriC^: I've already removed "ubuntu" folder inside EFI partition. Although my mobo still recognize it. Do I need to fix anything else?
[12:48] <EriC^> LuisM: yeah you need to use efibootmgr to remove it, the list is saved in the mobo not really dependent on the hdd or efi partition
[12:48] <EriC^> efibootmgr -b <hex number here> -B
[12:48] <EriC^> LuisM: ^ that command deletes the boot entry
[12:50] <LuisM> EriC^: hmm... great. I'll do it.
[12:53] <LuisM> thank you, EriC^. I'll try them.
[13:19] <MacroMan> After downgrading the mariadb-server package, the newest version still seems to be installed: https://paste.ngx.cc/3cf98d941769cbd7
[13:19] <MacroMan> Any idea about what I've done wrong and how I can downgrade this package?
[13:19] <EriC^^> MacroMan: type "which mysql"
[13:20] <MacroMan> '/usr/bin/mysql'
[13:20] <EriC^^> MacroMan: type "readlink -f $(which mysql)"
[13:20] <EriC^^> that looks right
[13:20] <MacroMan> same
[13:20] <EriC^^> MacroMan: type "dpkg -l | grep mysql" or something
[13:20] <sveinse> I am dual-booting my machine and are using ubuntu 18.04 natively and 18.10 virtually. Are there any thoughts on using the same shared /home/user for both versions of the distro?
[13:21] <MacroMan> EriC^^: https://termbin.com/pxn3
[13:21] <EriC^^> sveinse: yeah that's a bad idea as user configs for different version software and whatnot might collide
[13:22] <MacroMan> EriC^^: Using mariadb instead of mysql: https://termbin.com/md8x
[13:22] <EriC^^> MacroMan: type "dpkg -L /usr/bin/mysql"
[13:22] <EriC^^> sorry
[13:22] <MacroMan> Do I also need to downgrade the other packages such as mariadb-server-10.1 and mariadb-server-10.1?
[13:22] <EriC^^> MacroMan: type "dpkg -S /usr/bin/mysql"
[13:23] <MacroMan> EriC^^: mariadb-client-core-10.1: /usr/bin/mysql
[13:23] <MacroMan> Ah OK. So I should downgrade that package?
[13:23] <EriC^^> ok downgrade that package too, matter of fact i'd guess its better that all packages related are for -29?
[13:23] <EriC^^> yeah, that package provides the /usr/bin/mysql file
[13:23] <MacroMan> Okidoki. I'll do them all
[13:25] <MacroMan> EriC^^: That seems to have done it. Thank you
[13:25] <EriC^^> MacroMan: great to hear, no problem
[13:48] <FishBone000> https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/I0PaDmy.jpg     https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/I0PaX1c.png
[13:48] <afx_> Hello ! Anyone familiar with gobby ?
[13:49] <pragmaticenigma> afx_: it is best to ask your question
[13:49] <afx_> pragmaticenigma, I am trying to create a gobby server so that a friend connects to it via internet
[13:49] <FishBone000> I ran linapple in tty and a weird thing happned
[13:50] <afx_> However he gets connection timeout with my external ip address pragmaticenigma
[13:50] <FishBone000> the terminal printed a colourful ASCII of a image which should be displayed when you run linapple normally, just like the other image i uploaded
[13:51] <FishBone000> D: But how's that possible? an easter egg?
[13:51] <pragmaticenigma> afx_: It is very likely that your ISP is blocking your efforts to run a server on your connection. Many ISPs do not allow servers to run on residential/non-commercial connections
[13:51] <pragmaticenigma> FishBone000: It's merely the settings of the TTY session
[13:53] <FishBone000> really?
[13:53] <FishBone000> shouldn't tty display nothing or throw an error instead of displaying an ASCII image?
[13:54] <FishBone000> or...does tty have a function of converting an image to ASCII?
[13:54] <afx_> I see pragmaticenigma
[13:54] <FishBone000> and what's more, i cant stop linapple via Ctrl+C
[13:54] <EriC^^> FishBone000: it possibly checks if it's a tty then uses ascii
[13:55] <pragmaticenigma> FishBone000: There is no way for us to know. That kind of questions are best sent to the developer of the software
[13:55] <FishBone000> well the developer is dead because he is steve jobs
[13:57] <FishBone000> and i don't think it checks if it's a tty, since it has a graphic window and should not be run in tty, for linapple is a apple 2 emulator
[13:58] <FishBone000> well it might support tty if it's a full-text terminal application
[13:58] <EriC^^> FishBone000: huh, how do you know that?
[13:58] <EriC^^> doh
[13:58] <FishBone000> just guess....
[13:58] <EriC^^> FishBone000: it's not magic, either it has some sort of image to ascii converter, which i doubt it has, or it has some premade ascii image for tty or other stuff
[13:59] <EriC^^> it's not magic nor the program has become self-aware aka skynet v2
[13:59] <EriC^^> :D
[13:59] <pragmaticenigma> FishBone000: well you guessed wrong. in the mean time, it's not an application that is supported by this community. you are best to use you web searching skills to research and find a community.
[13:59] <FishBone000> lol
[13:59] <tomreyn> afx_: i'd say gobby is way too buggy to use it on the internet, better ssh tunnel
[14:00] <FishBone000> alright then
[14:00] <afx_> tomreyn, is there any other collaboration client I can use ?
[14:00] <EriC^^> FishBone000: it probably has tty support, i mean tty's are pretty common plus it's pretty antique itself
[14:01] <tomreyn> afx_: you could use some etherpad
[14:01] <tomreyn> afx_: this can be self-hosted, too.
[14:02] <afx_> tomreyn, is this secure?
[14:03] <tomreyn> afx_: depends on whether or not you paste you passwords on it+
[14:03] <afx_> tomreyn, no passwords pasted , but still is there any encryption or so ?
[14:03] <debrisRat> hi.
[14:04] <tomreyn> afx_: there can be http encryption. what is your use case, what are you trying to do?
[14:04] <tomreyn> *httpS encryption
[14:04] <afx_> tomreyn, collaborate on some documents
[14:04] <afx_> content sensitive though
[14:04] <tomreyn> afx_: what type of documents?
[14:04] <BluesKaj> EriC^^,  I need to create a /boot/efi partition in order to use uefi instead of legacy bios?...is it really that simple?
[14:04] <pragmaticenigma> tomreyn: this is all on the assumption that his Internet provider isn't blockin their ability to run a server on their connection
[14:05] <pragmaticenigma> s/his/afx_/
[14:05] <afx_> text documents mostly tomreyn
[14:05] <tomreyn> pragmaticenigma: it could be a server somewhere.
[14:05] <tomreyn> afx_: plain text then?
[14:06] <afx_> tomreyn, yes
[14:07] <tomreyn> afx_: well then host a server somewhere with etherpad on it and make it accessible to the collabotators only.
[14:07] <metRo_> Hi all
[14:07] <metRo_> can anyone help me how can I run an application without desktop env?
[14:07] <pragmaticenigma> metRo_: What application are you trying to run?
[14:07] <afx_> tomreyn, I will check this
[14:08] <afx_> tomreyn, also found this https://cryptpad.fr/
[14:08] <metRo_> pragmaticenigma: I create a simple aplication with gtk+
[14:08] <metRo_> now I want that application to run instead of open unity
[14:09] <afx_> but even their developers claim that they could eventually get your contents since it is web
[14:09] <metRo_> I delete ubuntu.desktop and now it doesn't open unity
[14:09] <pragmaticenigma> metRo_: To run a GUI application requires that you are running an X environment (at minimum). Programming/Software developement is not a topic this channel supports. Please find a software development community for assistance
[14:10] <metRo_> and If I open a shell export display and run my app I can see my app when return to shell 7
[14:10] <tomreyn> afx_: okay. we can talk in #uubntu-offtopic since this is not an ubuntu topic
[14:10] <metRo_> pragmaticenigma: can you recommend a place where I can ask this question?
[14:10] <pragmaticenigma> !alis | metRo_
[14:45] <talx> any preseeding guru here ?
[14:50] <JimBuntu> talx, no guru's here, only fun-loving volunteers.
[14:51] <pragmaticenigma> talx: Have you looked at this article? https://askubuntu.com/a/836670
[14:52] <talx> yes
[14:52] <pragmaticenigma> talx: What is your question?
[14:52] <talx> pragmaticenigma: he asks for creating an iso file
[14:52] <pragmaticenigma> talx: It's the same process to start with
[14:54] <talx> hmm
[14:54] <talx> I will go over this link again
[14:54] <talx> see if something happens
[15:06] <malwar3hun73r> i'm using webdav to transfer data to a share. i accidentally copied the data to the mount point while the webdav wasn't mounted. is there anyway to remount the webdav and sync
[15:07] <leftyfb> malwar3hun73r: delete what you copied, mount the webdav and resync
[15:07] <malwar3hun73r> eh, that the only solution (i assumed it might be)
[15:08] <leftyfb> malwar3hun73r: unless you mount it to some other mount point and sync between the original and new mount point. Either way, you're syncing the data gain
[15:08] <leftyfb> again*
[15:29] <uzver> Hi
[15:30] <uzver> Есть кто из СНГ?
[15:30] <leftyfb> !ru | uzver
[15:31] <_x3rx3x_1> rwar
[15:31] <_x3rx3x_1> test
[15:31] <_x3rx3x_1> test
[15:31] <lotuspsychje> we see you _x3rx3x_1
[15:32] <_x3rx3x_1> oh
[15:41] <qwebirc14640> Hi, I uploaded a package to a ppa using dput, it reports that package was successfully uploaded by I don't see it in my ppa, does it usually take time to get ppa updated in the web ?
[15:43] <_x3rx3x_> test
[15:43] <Seveas> qwebirc14640: yes, it takes a few minutes for the upload to be processed, and a few more for the package to be built. You'll get emails as the process progresses.
[15:49] <eraserpencil1> Hi!
[15:53] <univ-tebessa> 1234
[15:53] <univ-tebessa> 45
[15:53] <univ-tebessa> *
[15:53] <univ-tebessa> 44*
[15:53] <univ-tebessa> 85
[15:53] <p47r30n> test
[15:53] <univ-tebessa> 44*
[15:53] <eraserpencil1> I'm learning about compiling my own kernels and am following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel, but i only get linux-hwe and not linux-image-*
[15:53] <eraserpencil1> is there a concern or can i continue?
[15:54] <pragmaticenigma> eraserpencil1: Why are you building kernels, and also, this isn't the correct channel for Ubuntu kernel development/building questions
[15:54] <univ-tebessa> 44
[15:54] <univ-tebessa> 4
[15:54] <univ-tebessa> 4
[15:54] <univ-tebessa> 4
[15:54] <univ-tebessa> 4
[15:54] <cryptodan> eraserpencil1: how familiar are you with your computer and its hardware?
[15:54] <pragmaticenigma> !ops | univ-tebessa  is spamming the channel
[15:55] <pragmaticenigma> cryptodan: Kernel building help should be taken to the Ubuntu kernel channels
[15:55] <genii> pragmaticenigma: The bot already quieted them for now
[15:55] <cryptodan> pragmaticenigma: i just asked a simple question about his computer knowledge
[15:55] <hggdh> yep
[15:56] <pragmaticenigma> genii: It's quieted them twice now
[15:57] <eraserpencil1> cryptodan: i know what components i chose, but it's a laptop and as for the chipset, I'm unsure. I have some problems with it, hence I thought I'd try a self compiled kernel to see if i can fix those issues
[15:57] <cryptodan> eraserpencil1: compiling may introduce more issues.  but what issues are you having?
[15:58] <eraserpencil1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1811869
[15:59] <eraserpencil1> it's been awhile since i filed that bug and i got tired of waiting. Will try and see what I can do on my own.
[16:00] <eraserpencil1> pragmaticenigma: would you know the right channel?
[16:00] <cryptodan> eraserpencil1: that doesnt show anything causing a slow boot what does system-analyze blame show
[16:00] <pragmaticenigma> !alis | eraserpencil1
[16:00] <wodencafe> i guys, do you have any advice for me to fix grub on my server? I'm connected remotely on SSH, tried to do an upgrade but something went wrong. I tried to reinstall the grub packages to fix it, they got removed but now can't be reinstalled.
[16:00] <hggdh> eraserpencil1: #ubuntu-kernel is a good bet
[16:01] <pragmaticenigma> however eraserpencil1 since you alrady filed a bug ticket, you should continue working there... cross posting on multiple places makes it hard for the next person to get the help they need
[16:02] <genii> univ-tebessa: This channel is for Ubuntu support issues. If you need to some type of testing then use the #test channel instead of here.
[16:02] <tomreyn> eraserpencil1: it's well possible that some of those boot parameters cause the issue. also you're probably using acpi_osi wrong, should have "acpi_osi=!" in front of what you have.
[16:02] <eraserpencil1> Thanks, I must have missed it in the alis search
[16:03] <cryptodan> eraserpencil1: systemd-analyze blame and systemd-analyze will show you where its slow
[16:04] <flashmozzg> Hello. How do I manually enter path in Ubuntu 18.04+?
[16:05] <tomreyn> flashmozzg: can you give an example or more context?
[16:05] <eraserpencil1> tomreyn: Thanks, TJ and you helped  me previously that's when i filed the bug.
[16:05] <cryptodan> eraserpencil1: guess you arent going to run those commansds
[16:05] <eraserpencil1> cryptodan: in one of the posts there is a txt file that has the dmesg logs,
[16:06] <cryptodan> dmesg doesnt reflect slowness
[16:07] <p47r30n> hey
[16:07] <eraserpencil1> https://termbin.com/za0S
[16:07] <tomreyn> eraserpencil1: yes i seem to rmeember this (but not much more). this doesn't change what i stated before, though, unless the current use of acpi_osi is exactly what TJ recommended (he knows better than me).
[16:08] <pragmaticenigma> hello p47r30n ... can we help you with an Ubuntu support question?
[16:08] <cryptodan> eraserpencil1: that was a 404
[16:08] <eraserpencil1> https://termbin.com/za0s
[16:09] <eraserpencil1> my bad
[16:09] <cryptodan> and the systemd-analyze
[16:10] <eraserpencil1> but anyway, not trying to cross-post, just trying to put in some effort my self by compiling my own kernels and see if it works
[16:10] <eraserpencil1> https://termbin.com/iahd
[16:10] <cryptodan> eraserpencil1: and for comparison http://dpaste.com/0F22TSZ
[16:11] <tomreyn> eraserpencil1: looking at your dmesg from january, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/406402164/CurrentDmesg.txt , i notice a long gap on the boot between second 11 and 99. and an even longer between second 1150 and 636. it's not clear what the system did then, but it keeps repeating this message:    systemd-journald: Successfully sent stream file descriptor to service manager.
[16:11] <wodencafe> s/i guys,/hi guys,/
[16:11] <cryptodan> eraserpencil1: something in your desktop environment is causing it to be booting in under 4 minutes
[16:13] <tomreyn> same issue here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/788333/ubuntu-16-04-takes-very-long-time-to-boot-on-dell-precision-5510
[16:13] <eraserpencil1> tomreyn: could you give me the right boot parameters again?
[16:13] <eraserpencil1> the entire thing. I'm gonna give it a try
[16:14] <tomreyn> eraserpencil1: i don't know what are "the right ones". i suggest that you're missing one. if you add it, it would make this: "acpi_osi=!" "acpi_osi=Windows 2015" acpi=noirq pci=biosirq debug ignore_level
[16:15] <tomreyn> s/suggest/assume/
[16:15] <cryptodan> how fast is it without those boot commands eraserpencil1 ?
[16:16] <tomreyn> cryptodan: 713 seconds according to his dmesg
[16:16] <eraserpencil1> without those commands, dosent boot successfully
[16:17] <tomreyn> s/his/eraserpencils/
[16:17] <tomreyn> oh without, sorry, i misread
[16:18] <cryptodan> eraserpencil1: can you try booting ubuntu 18.04 live from a usb on it and see if its better
[16:18] <eraserpencil1> tomreyn: could you see if this is right https://termbin.com/jiip
[16:19] <tomreyn> eraserpencil1: make it:    GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="acpi_osi=! \"acpi_osi=Windows 2015\" acpi=noirq pci=biosirq acpi_backlight=vendor"
[16:19] <eraserpencil1> cryptodan: yea I tried, but I have a feeling it's a kernel issue cause the grub appears just fine, but the installer just dosent load successfully. I tried with manjaro as well and it's installer didn't load too.
[16:20] <p47r30n> yeah
[16:20] <cryptodan> eraserpencil1: boot live and boot into compatibility mode
[16:23] <eraserpencil1> tomreyn: yeap.. that's the one we tried back then...
[16:24] <tomreyn> eraserpencil1: but not the one you had when you posted your logs.
[16:25] <tomreyn> eraserpencil1: btw. there's a bios update for this system now: version 1.4.1 (02/11/2019). by the time you posted logs you had version 1.3.3 (12/20/2018)
[16:26] <eraserpencil1> yea, i tested it with various combination of parameters ystd
[16:26] <eraserpencil1> i guess i had the wrong parameters
[16:28] <eraserpencil1> It's been 5 minutes and the newest attempt is not loading right, keeps looping around iwlwifi
[16:28] <eraserpencil1> but i did see early on some messages about unloading the confliciting kernel module.
[16:29] <cryptodan> eraserpencil1: just a wild question is secure boot enabled?  maybe try disabling and see if it boots any faster unless you have tried that
[16:30] <eraserpencil1> it's off
[16:32] <tomreyn> also CSM may be worth a try if it support it
[16:33] <tomreyn> (AKA 'legacy BIOS')
[16:33] <tomreyn> but first of all, do the bios update
[16:33] <eraserpencil1> yea i did it ystd
[16:34] <tomreyn> ystad is a city in sweden, isnt it?
[16:38] <tomreyn> it'd be good if you could boot with 18.04.2, which releases in two days, trying without any non default parameters first. when you got the boot working (maybe still slow), run "apport-collect 1811869" again.
[16:38] <tomreyn> eraserpencil1: ^
[16:39] <flashmozzg> tomreyn: I mean in file browser. Like "enter location" option. I know the path I want to go to, but can't find a way to type it in.
[16:39] <tomreyn> flashmozzg: ctrl-L
[16:40] <tomreyn> as in 'location'
[16:42] <flashmozzg> tomreyn: thanks. No idea why it's so hidden (I even looked at kb shortcuts but skipped 2nd page). It's becomes increasingly more annoying with each new release)
[16:42] <tomreyn> flashmozzg: you can use a different graphical desktop if you prefer.
[16:42] <tomreyn> !flavours | flashmozzg
[16:43] <flashmozzg> tomreyn: I try to, but there is not always a choice or transition from existing one is not always worth it for something small.
[16:44] <pragmaticenigma> flashmozzg: The ctrl + L shortcut has been available for a very long time
[16:46] <flashmozzg> pragmaticenigma: may be. I haven't used it enough before to warrant learning shortcuts, not to mention that it's not my main flavor of OS. It was just a click away.
[16:49] <qwebirc14640> I trying to upload a package to my ppa for bionic-backports, to test the back port, but it is being rejected with PPA uploads must be for the RELEASE pocket.
[16:50] <tomreyn> qwebirc14640: /join #ubuntu-app-devel
[16:55] <qwebirc14640> tomreyn thanks for pointing me to the right channel
[16:55] <tomreyn> i think i mostly pointed you out of the wrong one.
[16:58] <teward> qwebirc14640: PPAs can't target the backports pocket.  THey can only target $CODENAME
[16:59] <teward> PPA targeting like that is a #launchpad question, but for the PPA target $RELEASE and not -backports
[17:03] <qwebirc14640> teward: backportpackage man page has the answer  -r, --release-pocket is required for that
[17:03] <teward> qwebirc14640: yep.
[17:05] <teward> qwebirc14640: check your PMs in the other tab by the way
[17:05] <teward> some info of relevance for you
[17:10] <maeud> Can anyone help me with a weird apt update issue, it hangs on "0% [Working]" then springs into life
[17:11] <maeud> select(6, [5], [], NULL, {0, 500000})   = 0 (Timeout) rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, [WINCH], [PIPE], 8) = 0 rt_sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, [PIPE], NULL, 8) = 0 0% [Working])          = 1313
[17:11] <maeud> that's where it hangs
[17:21] <sumit_> hi
[17:21] <EriC^> hello
[17:22] <sumit_> may you review my blog?
[17:22] <EriC^> no
[17:23] <sumit_> https://rabsum.blogspot.com/
[17:23] <maeud> !ask test
[17:24] <sumit_> https://rabsum.blogspot.com/
[17:24] <JimBuntu> sumit_, any review will probably be negative. Please stop. This channel is for volunteer support.
[17:24] <EriC^> sumit_: stop spamming your link here
[17:24] <teward> sumit_: please stop spamming your blog.  We are not an advertising / "please review my site" support channel.
[17:25] <fleabeard> that blog is proper word salad, lol
[17:25] <maeud> I can see nothing is hitting my repo server until it actually progresses using tcpdump
[17:25] <maeud> DNS is working fine on both servers
[17:26] <maeud> any ideas?
[17:26] <maeud> something is timing out, no idea what
[17:27] <maeud> tomreyn on holiday today lol
[17:30] <maeud> sumit_: I'll look at your blog if you give me a fix
[17:33] <fleabeard> maeud, do other commands like apt update work?
[17:34] <maeud> apt update or apt install produces the same thing, sits at 0% working for ~45 seconds then springs into life
[17:34] <maeud> strace says something is timing out
[17:34] <maeud> DNS lookup using nslookup is fine for both DNS servers
[17:34] <maeud> DNS servers are being handed to the client from DHCP
[17:34] <maeud> the client is completely offline, no internet access
[17:34] <maeud> the repos are self hosted
[17:35] <maeud> nothing hits the repo server on port 80 until apt passes the working 0% stage
[17:35] <maeud> so something on the client is causing a timeout
[17:35] <how2hack> hi, what options do i need to pass to ssh in order to create a secure tunnel so i can access a website on the target host port 80 through the ssh tunnel? i'm reading the manual and it looks like i need to use -L, but it's still not clear to me how this works
[17:35] <maeud> but strace literally says timeout with nothing else to go on
[17:35] <maeud> so I don't know
[17:37] <how2hack> maybe something like "ssh -L 80:localhost:80 <IP_ADDRESS>"?
[17:46] <robertparkerx> can someone help me with rsync ?
[17:47] <robertparkerx> rsync -a root@IP:/path/to/copy /copied/path how do I add the port?
[17:48] <ikonia> robertparkerx: shouldn't need to
[17:48] <robertparkerx> ssh isn't on standard port
[17:48] <robertparkerx> its on 8022
[17:49] <fleabeard> --port=8022
[17:49] <ikonia> then you'll need to tell it
[17:49] <ikonia> or it assumes the default
[17:49] <ikonia> putting ssh on non-standard ports is just a bad idea
[17:51] <lordcirth_> ikonia, why is that?
[17:52] <ikonia> things expect certain ports, persmissions, etc, the second you start changing them you have to customise everything
[17:52] <ikonia> and it gives you little/no value
[17:57] <robertparkerx> thank you so much
[18:02] <how2hack> do i need to enable any ssh configuration so i can do local forwarding?
[18:14] <CarlFK> what/where defines what modules are in initrd ?
[18:15] <ikonia> CarlFK: it's defined by hoooks isn't it - that do a generte initrd on change
[18:16] <CarlFK> friend wants to pull a module out.  i realized I don;t know how they get in there in the first place
[18:17] <EriC^> CarlFK: look into /etc/initramfs-tools
[18:17] <tomreyn> grep ^MODULES /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf
[18:20] <arooni> if i have ubuntu 18.04 ; is there a way i can run kde instead of gnome-shell without having to reinstall everything?
[18:21] <CarlFK> fun game to play with friends!!!   # dep - Try and guess which modules to load.
[18:21] <tomreyn> *maybe* "blacklist <module>" in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules will override one. but more likely you'll need to create a whitelist there and set MODULES=dep or =list
[18:22] <EriC^> arooni: you can install the kubuntu-desktop package
[18:22] <tomreyn> arooni: sudo apt update && sudo apt install kubuntu.desktop
[18:22] <tomreyn> arooni: sudo apt update && sudo apt install kubuntu-desktop
[18:22] <tomreyn> ^ typo fixed
[18:23] <pragmaticenigma> arooni: once installed, logout, then select KDE desktop from the dropdown on the login screen
[18:23] <tomreyn> if you want to switch to sddm, make sure it's installed and sudo dpkg-reconfigure sddm
[18:23] <arooni> oh wow 1GB of extra things to install
[18:23]  * pragmaticenigma wouldn't have gone there... switching DMs is a nightmare
[18:23] <arooni> do all apps for ubuntu work in kde?  or do you have to have kde specific apps
[18:24] <arooni> i wish gnome-shell didnt seem to be so buggy/resource intensive
[18:24] <EriC^> arooni: same apps works
[18:24] <pragmaticenigma> arooni: KDE requires more system resources than Gnome Desktop
[18:24] <tomreyn> as long as you have gtk3 libs installed, gtk3 applications will work
[18:25] <OerHeks> i would not put desktop on desktop, but make a seperate partition
[18:25] <tomreyn> you mean a separate installation?
[18:26] <arooni> i often end up with 60% + cpu usage of gnome-shell;
[18:26] <OerHeks> oh, type, thanks tomreyn
[18:26] <arooni> i turn off extensions then back on and resource usage goes way down
[18:26] <tomreyn> :)
[18:26] <pragmaticenigma> arooni: perhaps figure out what exentions you actually need and remove the ones you don't
[18:27] <fleabeard> arooni, ubuntu-budgie works pretty well when overhead is a concern. That's if you don't mind the top panel doing its own thing regarding applets not staying in their fixed positions, lol
[18:45] <M_root> салам алейкум, славяне
[18:46] <lotuspsychje> !ru | M_root
[18:47] <maeud> tomreyn :)
[18:55] <tomreyn> ?
[18:59] <maeud> Hi
[19:00] <afx__> Hello ! trying to setup a gobby server following this http://crteknologies.fr/wiki/software:gobby . Can someone please tell me what this does ssh -N -L<port>:<server>:<port> <user>@<server>&??
[19:00] <maeud> if anyone else comes across my issue with apt-get getting stuck at 0% working, it was caused by using the DNS shortname (server1) rather than the full hostname (server.domain.com)
[19:01] <maeud> afx__: do man ssh
[19:01] <leftyfb> afx__: man ssh # will tell you what the -L does
[19:01] <maeud> look at what -N does, then -L
[19:01] <afx__> ok will do
[19:26] <malwar3hun73r> can someone recommend a backup tool to push to webdav?
[19:27] <malwar3hun73r> i tried rsync, but that kept breaking as did duplicity
[19:30] <leftyfb> malwar3hun73r: how does rsync break? Also, why use webdav?
[19:30] <horus125> hey could anyone help me set up Netflix on chromium (I can't install chrome because it's 32 bit machine)
[19:30] <malwar3hun73r> leftyfb, the service i pay for only offers webdav support on linux
[19:30] <teward> horus125: pretty sure that Chromium doesn't have the DRM support necessary for Netflix to work right
[19:30] <teward> you could try Firefox.
[19:30] <malwar3hun73r> leftyfb, rsync just stops responding after syncing a few files (maybe this is on the server end?)
[19:31] <leftyfb> malwar3hun73r: try --progress
[19:31] <malwar3hun73r> leftyfb, yeah, using that - it just stops responding
[19:31] <horus125> teward: shame :(
[19:32] <malwar3hun73r> leftyfb, one (possible) drawback of rsync is that it doesn't keep any local knowledge of what it's sent
[19:32] <malwar3hun73r> is there a tool that offers taht capability?
[19:32] <lordcirth_> malwar3hun73r, I suspect the best answer is to just not use webdav...
[19:32] <leftyfb> malwar3hun73r: why do you need "local" knowledge?
[19:32] <lordcirth_> However, the problems I've seen with webdav occured when copying nested directories into it. So maybe tar it all first?
[19:33] <malwar3hun73r> leftyfb, i don't "need" local knowledge, just seems like that would make for a more efficient process
[19:34] <ikonia> not really
[19:34] <ikonia> it takes an index of what it has and what the remote has and only sends the delta
[19:34] <ikonia> seems pretty efficient
[19:34] <dim334> Hi, is there some way to get a shell from grub. I switched out a disk and when the time comes to mount that partition boot hangs.
[19:34] <ikonia> dim334: grub is a shell
[19:35] <ikonia> it's quite limited in it's function but grub has an inbuilt shell
[19:35] <dim334> can I edit files and mount disks?
[19:35] <ikonia> dim334: no
[19:35] <ikonia> dim334: it can certainly interact with disks though, eg: read them
[19:35] <dim334> I'm downloading the latest live cd to get into the system from there
[19:36] <ikonia> ok ?
[19:36] <malwar3hun73r> leftyfb, duplicity actually seems to be working, but --progress is borked - is there something similar that accurately reports progress
[19:36] <dim334> I was wondering if there is a way to edit fstab without livecd
[19:36] <leftyfb> malwar3hun73r: personally, I would find another backup service that provides a protocol that is useful for backups.
[19:37] <ikonia> --progress works just fine
[19:37] <malwar3hun73r> ikonia, for me it just says ETA stalled
[19:37] <ikonia> malwar3hun73r: yeah, because it's not backing up
[19:37] <ikonia> so it's correctly advising you it's stalled
[19:37] <ikonia> "it works"
[19:37] <malwar3hun73r> https://login.launchpad.net/k95oqCuMcmf9zPoj/+decide
[19:38] <malwar3hun73r> or, it's like this bug that everyone is discussing
[19:38] <malwar3hun73r> https://bugs.launchpad.net/duplicity/+bug/1482841
[19:38] <malwar3hun73r> ikonia, ^
[19:38] <ikonia> malwar3hun73r: yeah, that's duplicity
[19:39] <malwar3hun73r> leftyfb, that's what i said, --progress is borked with duplicity
[19:39] <ikonia> malwar3hun73r: was it not suggested to use rsync
[19:39] <malwar3hun73r> rsync hangs - which could be the backend
[19:40] <ikonia> malwar3hun73r: I don't think it is
[19:40] <leftyfb> malwar3hun73r: have you tried straight rsync? No duplicity involved?
[19:40] <ikonia> malwar3hun73r: what backend are you talking about with rsync ?
[19:40] <malwar3hun73r> yes
[19:40] <malwar3hun73r> webdav is the backend with rsync
[19:40] <ikonia> malwar3hun73r: that's not the backend
[19:40] <ikonia> that's the target
[19:40] <malwar3hun73r> err, i'm syncing to webdav... right
[19:41] <ikonia> or have I missunderstood
[19:41] <ikonia> right, so the "target"
[19:41] <ikonia> the source is there the data is held, the target is there the data is put
[19:41] <malwar3hun73r> correct
[19:41] <leftyfb> malwar3hun73r: rsync -av /path/to/local /path/to/webdav/mount
[19:41] <ikonia> so what is "backend"
[19:42] <malwar3hun73r> backend is a provider a pay for that only offers webdav for linux
[19:42] <ikonia> malwar3hun73r: no idea what you're talking about
[19:42] <ikonia> you mean the host you're backing up to runs webdev as a paid service
[19:42] <malwar3hun73r> correct
[19:42] <leftyfb> malwar3hun73r: rsync -av /path/to/local /path/to/webdav/mount
[19:43] <ikonia> so not a "backend" just a webdav file system
[19:43] <malwar3hun73r> right, i know the syntax, but rsync hangs
[19:43] <malwar3hun73r> and, by "backend" i was meaning something on their end is hosed
[19:44] <malwar3hun73r> i've also tried  some extra switches some seem to recommend with rsync to webdav, but they haven't improved things
[19:44] <malwar3hun73r> https://superuser.com/questions/192792/rsync-to-webdav-mounted-volume-very-slow
[19:59] <ebol4> I have a device with several ethernet interfaces, and I am using NetworkManager. I'd like each interface to get an IP address from DHCP when I plug it in, however, only the first interface makes a DHCP request when I plug it in, the others all stay without an IP address
[19:59] <ebol4> NetworkManager.conf: https://pastebin.com/KZyH58FY
[20:01] <lordcirth_> Does anyone have an example of when "snap list <snap>" would return more than one line?
[20:01] <lordcirth_> ebol4, what Ubuntu version?
[20:02] <AngelKde> ebol4, is ubuntu 16.04 or 18.04 ?
[20:12] <soundee2> did anyone had an enclouter with turtl selfhosted server?
[20:13] <lordcirth_> soundee2, what is your actual question?
[20:14] <soundee2> the turtl note taking app. it seems not to sync between an android device and linux pc
[20:15] <leftyfb> soundee2: you'll have to contact turtl support for that. That is not a package that's available and therefore supported by Ubuntu.
[20:17] <soundee2> thanks! I already posted on their tracker, but there's no response. I thought than someone here has tried and might give me some directions
[20:18] <neoncontrails> When I was a mac user, there was an awesome command-line utility I used to use (boom, I think?) for managing filepath aliases and jumping around the filesystem (e.g., "boom add myproject $(pwd)" would alias the current directory as myproject,  "$ boom myproject" would take you to the directory aliased as myproject, etc.)
[20:18] <neoncontrails> Is there a linux equivalent of this?
[20:19] <tomreyn> there is "alias"
[20:19] <TruenHero> hi, i have a graphic tablet, with it i want to control browser as touch panel
[20:21] <neoncontrails> I find it difficult to keep my path aliases organized... I source a separate  ~/.aliases  file just for filepaths, but it's a major chore to edit
[20:21] <leftyfb> neoncontrails: cdable_vars # https://stackoverflow.com/a/39839346
[20:21] <neoncontrails> If there's no such tool I can probably whip one up fairly easily, I'm just trying not to reinvent the wheel if possible :)
[20:21] <leftyfb> neoncontrails: make a function to add new aliases
[20:24] <leftyfb> neoncontrails: I send to use CTRL_R a lot. Or enable bash completion cycling
[20:26] <neoncontrails> leftyfb: that's definitely one way to do it... but is there a good reason to store those path aliases as global variables instead of just putting them in a utility-specific lookup table?
[20:26] <leftyfb> neoncontrails: other than the fact that I don't know that any utility exists?
[20:27] <ioria> and it's not global, btw
[20:27] <neoncontrails> Right, I was just curious if there was a reason besides that. It's interesting to me that such a tool hasn't already been made (that we know of)
[21:11] <AppAraat> hi, is UEFI supported on the 18.04 mini.iso? According to this comment it is - https://askubuntu.com/a/1081584 - but I just wanted to double-check.
[21:11] <AppAraat> because as of now I boot from the USB stick which was flashed with mini.iso and it doesn't boot
[21:12] <AppAraat> (shows me a flashing cursor)
[21:15] <lordcirth_> AppAraat, UEFI is supported on all Ubuntu ISOs, I think
[21:15] <FurretUber> What is the proper procedure to add a preseed file to an Ubuntu ISO?
[21:16] <lordcirth_> FurretUber, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization
[21:21] <OerHeks> AppAraat, indeed,  The mini iso lacks the proper files for booting the computer in UEFI mode.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD#mini_system_in_UEFI_mode
[21:22] <OerHeks> so, grab the server iso
[21:22] <AppAraat> so still true for 18.04?
[21:23] <AppAraat> (since docs could be outdated)
[21:23] <OerHeks> the mini iso only, yes
[21:24] <OerHeks> all other iso's are hybrid
[21:24] <AppAraat> ah hmm, I see.
[21:24] <AppAraat> what are actually the downsides of installing it compat mode?
[21:26] <OerHeks> downside.. you can use all sorts of unsigned drivers
[21:27] <AppAraat> does Ubuntu provide signed drivers though?
[22:05] <ebol4> sorry, had to step out for many meetings... reposting question....
[22:05] <ebol4> I have a device with several ethernet interfaces, and I am using NetworkManager. I'd like each interface to get an IP address from DHCP when I plug it in, however, only the first interface makes a DHCP request when I plug it in, the others all stay without an IP address
[22:05] <ebol4> NetworkManager.conf: https://pastebin.com/KZyH58FY
[22:05] <ebol4> this is ubuntu 18.04
[22:06] <auctus> sometimes, but not every time, when i close my laptop, instead of going to sleep, it turns off... or when i open it it reboots, or something, but it isnt just waking from sleep
[22:06] <auctus> dell e7440 / 18.04.2
[22:06] <ebol4> This works properly in Raspbian on a Raspberry Pi, so I'm not sure what the difference in configuration is.
[22:06] <auctus> wonder how i can figure out why
[22:06] <ebol4> auctus: does this happen only in Ubuntu? or in windows as well?
[22:10] <OerHeks> for multiple network interfaces, maybe netplan is your solution https://netplan.io/examples#connecting-multiple-interfaces-with-dhcp
[22:11] <OerHeks> a short story https://www.linux.com/learn/intro-to-linux/2018/9/how-use-netplan-network-configuration-tool-linux
[22:12] <sorin-mihai> in 18.04 is there any service manager used beside systemd? i know some service units are still in the old format and just want to make sure i handle them properly
[22:13] <ebol4> OerHeks: it also works fine if I just add all my interfaces to /etc/network/interfaces, but I need some features that NetworkManager provides
[22:16] <FurretUber> lordcirth_: I'm trying to use that steps but it's failing https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Qx7vs4CYSb/
[22:16] <OerHeks> interesting, a mix of /etc/network/interfaces and networkmanager
[22:24] <johnn> quit
[22:46] <bad63r> test
[23:02] <ahi2> for me ubuntu wont install grub to dev/sda? whay is that?
[23:03] <ahi2> fresh install 18.04
[23:03] <sveta> ahi2, what does it do instead of installing it?
[23:03] <ahi2> nothing. installer stops and crashes
[23:03] <sveta> does it just close its window, or it gives you an error message?
[23:03] <ahi2> something about efi
[23:04] <ahi2> but i never installed efi before
[23:04] <sveta> if you could put that error message into this chat, that could be a bit helpful. and also the model name of the device which you are installing ubuntu on
[23:05] <ahi2> grub-efi-amd64-signed failed installation. acer 4750g laptop
[23:06] <ahi2> im not using efi and i dont have a uefi/legacy switch in bios
[23:07] <ahi2> never had this problem with 14.04 or 16.04
[23:08] <OerHeks> how odd, why would the installer make such mistake?
[23:08] <sveta> i think https://askubuntu.com/questions/789998/16-04-new-installation-gives-grub-efi-amd64-signed-failed-installation-target suggests some people have this problem with 16.04
[23:08] <ahi2> hmm
[23:09] <ahi2> i wish the installer finished installing the system then i could use boot-repair
[23:12] <ahi2> didn't even ask me if i wanted to install in uefi mode.
[23:12] <OerHeks>  Aspire 4750G use Phoenix UEFI BIOS ..
[23:12] <ahi2> ive never updated the bios
[23:12] <OerHeks> first make a check you got the latest bios, then follow the uefi manual, maybe in boot options you see the uefi part
[23:13] <sveta> thanks for checking, OerHeks
[23:13] <OerHeks> Phoenix .. there is something about that, it needs to have a password set to get to other uefi boot options?
[23:14] <ahi2> i'll try setting a password
[23:14] <rdh> should at least let you install/boot uefi without signatures, at least thats what most bios ive used allowed
[23:15] <OerHeks> if that laptop is clean, no windows in bios/uefi mode..
[23:15] <OerHeks> yes,it should
[23:15] <ahi2> no windows on my acer
[23:17] <OerHeks> oke, one less problem
[23:20] <Edgan> Anyone know how to get Ubuntu 18.04 to auto assign secondary ip addresses to eth0 in AWS?
[23:25] <pa> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1480460
[23:25] <pa> seriously, in ubuntu too??
[23:25] <pa> and reported in 2017 08???
[23:25] <pa> but ofc when RedHat is in the middle of something..
[23:27] <feqqe> penis
[23:29] <sorin-mihai> Edgan, asigning a secondary ip to a network card is not enough. since the instance most likely uses cloudinit, if you define your vpc and dhcp settings correctly, it should get a 2nd ip
[23:30] <sorin-mihai> either way, if you just tell netplan/networkd to add a 2nd ip to that nic, it won't work
[23:31] <thisisit> there is an interesting problem happening with my installation
[23:32] <thisisit> the internet is not working even though the symbol shows connected
[23:32] <thisisit> whoops, lemme get bacak in a bit
[23:32] <thisisit> seems there are other issues at hand
[23:32] <thisisit> :D
[23:32] <sorin-mihai> pastebin 'ip a'
[23:39] <thisisit> ok so I'm back
[23:39] <thisisit> I'll do the ip a
[23:39] <thisisit> thanks a bunch
[23:40] <thisisit> the wireless is not working even though the wired is working
[23:42] <thisisit> the paste is on here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZpWzKgbzzW/
[23:43] <thisisit> seems like my wifi is weirding out :(
[23:43] <AppAraat> is not being able to login (login incorrect) (one of the) expected outcomes of installing the mini.iso on UEFI systems in bios compat mode?
[23:45] <AppAraat> because installation seemed successful, but I'm just not able to login, which is pretty weird since when typing in the username prompt, it seems like the same keyboard layout.
[23:45] <jeremy31> thisisit: Is it a Broadcom wifi card?
[23:45] <thisisit> it is indeed
[23:45] <Squarism> how do one up ones linux game. Not that i want to become bash script expert, but rather be more effective using it. Desktop Linux and shell
[23:45] <thisisit> I installed b43-firmware
[23:45] <Squarism> ?
[23:45] <thisisit> is that not enough?
[23:45] <thisisit> Squarism: install gentoo
[23:46] <thisisit> by the time you get it to work you're going to be more than capacble
[23:46] <Squarism> haha
[23:46] <jeremy31> thisisit: post URL from terminal for> lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 net | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:46] <AppAraat> I'm able to install the server install in a bit but if someone wants me to troubleshoot further (because maybe possible bug) then I'll have this system up for a while if anyone wants.
[23:46] <sonne> s/gentoo/archlinux/ tbh
[23:47] <thisisit> https://termbin.com/pgg4
[23:47] <Squarism> so you mean i should decrease my effectiveness to negative in order to increase current level
[23:47] <Squarism> ?
[23:47] <sonne> Squarism: more seriously.. you could take this approach: whatever you want to do, "force" yourself to learn how to do it from the terminal
[23:47] <rfm> AppAraat, I wouldn't expect the bios mode to have anything to do with it.   I would think it's much more likely you managed to typo the password twice during install (I've done it)
[23:47] <Edgan> sorin-mihai: Right, I could manually set it, but I would prefer it to be dhcp style. The question is how do I configure it to do that. Out of the box I am getting just the first ip.
[23:47] <sonne> Squarism: also: google/ddg "alien bash tutorial" and read it whole. you'll thank me later.
[23:47] <thisisit> seems like the network is not being detected (jeremy31)
[23:47] <rfm> AppAraat, I'd boot in recovery mode and reset the password.
[23:48] <ebol4> I'm having a problem now where, on a device running Ubuntu 18.04 with Network-Manager, only one of my ethernet interfaces is performing a DHCP request on boot
[23:48] <ebol4> i have 3 ethernet interfaces all plugged into different subnets
[23:48] <thisisit> ebol4: lief on hardmode
[23:48] <AppAraat> rfm: entirely unlikely to have mistyped (at least cosmically unlikely, and at least consciously maybe). I verified the entire thing twice.
[23:49] <jeremy31> thisisit: run the command and post URL, the firmware might not be the correct fix for your wifi
[23:49] <thisisit> jeremy31: https://termbin.com/pgg4
[23:49] <Edgan> ebol4: cat /etc/netplan/50-cloud-init.yaml
[23:50] <jeremy31> thisisit: in terminal do> sudo apt-get remove bcmwl-kernel-source broadcom-sta-dkms
[23:50] <jeremy31> thisisit: then reboot
[23:50] <thisisit> done
[23:50] <thisisit> be back soon :D
[23:51] <ebol4> Edgan: i'm not using Netplan, sorry, should have mentioned
[23:51] <Edgan> ebol4: You did, you said Network-Manager
[23:52] <ebol4> NetworkManager is not Netplan
[23:52] <Edgan> ebol4: right
[23:54] <OerHeks> ebol4, for multiple network interfaces, netplan is your solution https://netplan.io/examples#connecting-multiple-interfaces-with-dhcp
[23:54] <OerHeks> * with dhcp
[23:55] <Squarism> sonne, ok ill do that
[23:57] <ebol4> i can manage mutltiple interfaces fine as is, I'm just trying to figure out why, on boot, only one interface performs a DHCP request
[23:57] <ebol4> after boot, if i unplug and replug in an interface, it will immediately perform a dhcp request
[23:57] <ebol4> but on boot, if it is already plugged in, it will not perform a dhcp request
[23:58] <thisisit> I'm back baby
[23:58] <thisisit> jeremy31: here I am with no drivers
[23:58] <thisisit> :D
[23:58] <jeremy31> thisisit: post URL from terminal for> lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 net | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:58] <myAimSucks> Hey, does ubuntu 18.04 LTS still have automatic mouse acceleration, or am I dreaming. If yes, is it possible to get rid of it?
[23:59] <_KaszpiR_> myAimSucks I don't remember, probably it does but I bet guys which play QuakeWorld already solved that issue ;)
[23:59] <tomreyn> myAimSucks: Settings -> Devices -> Mouse & Touchpad -> Mouse -> Mouse Speed


[05:20] <luna> morning
[05:59] <didrocks> good morning
[06:08] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:11] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN, ça va ?
[06:16] <ricotz> hey didrocks oSoMoN
[06:17] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks, ça va bien et toi?
[06:17] <oSoMoN> hey ricotz
[06:18] <didrocks> hey ricotz
[06:18] <didrocks> oSoMoN: ça va :)
[07:13] <jibel> Good morning all
[07:15] <didrocks> salut jibel
[07:35] <Nafallo> morning
[07:48] <jibel> Good morning Nafallo
[07:50] <didrocks> hey Nafallo
[07:55] <jibel> Laney, does your test machine supports RST? it's the only case missing for ubuntu
[08:02] <Laney> heya
[08:02] <Laney> jibel: I'll have a look
[08:02] <jibel> Hi Laney
[08:04] <oSoMoN> salut jibel, good morning Nafallo & Laney
[08:06] <jibel> salut oSoMoN
[08:07] <Laney> hey jibel oSoMoN
[08:10] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[08:10] <seb128> seems like I forgot to click the IRC icon when I started my session today!
[08:10] <seb128> how is everyone?
[08:21] <jibel> salut seb128
[08:21] <jibel> ça va et toi?
[08:21] <didrocks> salut seb128, ça va ?
[08:21] <didrocks> hey Laney
[08:25] <seb128> lut jibel, didrocks, Laney. Ca va oui ! Had a great night for a change, 7 hours sleep without interruption \o/
[08:26] <didrocks> nice :)
[08:28] <oSoMoN> salut seb128! that sounds like a great night!
[08:28] <Laney> w00t
[08:29] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, indeed :)
[08:29] <Laney> hey also didrocks seb128
[08:30] <Laney> jibel: the weird test XPS I have does have RST
[08:30] <Laney> it has super annoying firmware though
[08:30] <Laney> takes about 20 reboots to be able to boot from the usb stick
[09:14] <Nafallo> morning seb128 :-)
[11:24] <seb128> why is using gnome-disks on an USB key almost every time a fail for me?
[12:21] <jibel> what fails?
[13:43] <seb128> jibel, I was trying to delete a fat partition on an usb stick and it would do it and error out on partition map entry error with the journal stating 'The driver descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 bytes, but Linux says it is 512 bytes'
[13:43] <seb128> gparted did it
[14:25] <seb128> RAOF, hey, I hope you are currently sleeping or at least away from the keyboard but I'm going to let that ping in the backlog for your tomorrow, could you review the new libwacom in the focal queue? It fixes the build and some issues from the previous upload
[15:13] <seb128> ricotz, hey, could you check if bug #1923267 is possibly a valac issue?
[15:13] <ubot3> Bug 1923267 in glib2.0 (Ubuntu) "indicator-multiload app broken after upgrading libglib2.0-0 2.67.5-2 to 2.68.0-1" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1923267
[15:13] <seb128> 'TypeError: method Gio.File.read_async: At least 3 arguments required, but only 2 passed'
[15:14] <seb128> there is no read_async mention in the source package
[15:15] <ricotz> seb128, hi, afaics there is no reference to vala
[15:16] <ricotz> so likely python <-> gobject-introspection
[15:17] <seb128> ricotz, there is no python in that src
[15:17] <seb128> or did I get the wrong package?
[15:17] <ricotz> ah indicator-multiload is vala, but this error message is not a vala output
[15:21] <seb128> ricotz, I think that report is confusing, the error is from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:21] <seb128> so probably from the appindicator shell extension
[15:21] <seb128> Trevinho, ^
[15:41] <ricotz> seb128, ok, let me know if indicator-multiload doesn't built


[21:57] <jayjo> do I need to import code to launchpad in order to host a .deb in a PPA? I'm looking at the import code request form, which seems to require a project
[22:00] <isapgswell> hi everyone
[22:00] <isapgswell> any news from nvidia prime profile on demand with external monitors???
[22:01] <isapgswell> nouveau drivers still bad performance on external monitors
[22:12] <rbasak> jayjo: you do not. You can upload source packages directly to PPAs. In that case there will be no version control system (except that packages published in PPAs must have version numbers that in general can only go up)
[22:13] <rbasak> jayjo: however Launchpad permits only source package uploads. You can't build a .deb elsewhere and host it in Launchpad.
[22:14] <rbasak> (IIRC there are also rules about the licence, but that's from memory and I may be wrong)
[22:14] <rbasak> Ah yes: https://help.launchpad.net/Legal#Personal_Package_Archive_eligibility
[23:02] <mpharoah> Hello. I'm trying to register a Launchpad account, but it fails with a 500 error on the openid callback
[23:04] <mpharoah> (Error ID: OOPS-c2bdfe9824cdb3dd3279bbc391be2c53)


[04:28] <Twirl> Hello, anyone here? i need to submit a bug
[04:30] <Twirl> i typed ubuntu-bug -w and clicked on the window
[04:30] <Twirl> how do i know if the problem has been submited correctly?


[15:02] <Omega> Meeting meeting meeting!
[15:13] <MH0> Its not that time yet?
[15:13] <MH0> :P
[15:39] <Omega> :<
[15:51] <MH0> heh, 2 meeting s for me this evening
[15:52] <MH0> 20:00 GMT
[15:52] <MH0> and I have a UY one at 17:00
[16:38] <MH0> &hi | Muscovy
[16:38] <MH0> !hi | Muscovy
[16:38] <TourBot> Muscovy: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-tour! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines . Enjoy your stay!
[16:39] <MH0> I get all confused over bots :P
[16:39] <MH0> 4 is enough
[16:41] <Muscovy> Hello.
[16:56] <Silasle> MH0: Are you michealh?
[17:04] <MH0> Yeah
[17:04] <MH0> 3 letter nicks are awesome
[17:04] <MH0> and they have their benifits
[17:04] <MH0> Silasle: ^^
[17:05] <Omega> Hey Muscovy
[17:05] <Muscovy> Hello.
[17:05] <MH0> 3 hpurs
[17:05] <MH0> till meeting
[17:06] <MH0> Muscovy: Meeitn in-meeting for you
[17:06] <MH0> >:|
[19:57] <Muscovy> I may be a few minutes late for our meeting.
[20:11] <samuel> Is the meeting held on this channel?
[20:15] <Muscovy> I believe.
[20:16] <Muscovy> Sorry about the lack of details, samuel, MichealH declared an impromptu meeting.
[20:17] <samuel> ok
[20:18] <Muscovy> The meeting is 40 minutes from now, I think.
[20:19]  * MH0 sneaks in
[20:19] <MH0> Meeting on?
[20:19] <MH0> Okies
[20:19] <MH0> It should be this hour but, I am busy
[20:19] <MH0> So gimme a sec
[20:49] <MH0> Right, so 10mins
[20:54] <UndiFineD> MH0: when will you rename to "Face of Bo"?
[20:54] <MH0> Hm?
[20:55] <MH0> There are benifits to a three character nick :P
[20:55] <MH0> So no tabbing
[20:55] <MH0> No tab mistakes ect.
[20:55] <MH0> Its nice
[20:55] <MH0> Its a cool nick, tooo
[20:55] <UndiFineD> m<tab><tab><tab><tab><tab><tab><tab><tab><tab><tab><tab><tab><tab>
[20:55] <MH0> :P
[20:55] <MH0> Like I just say mh0
[20:55] <MH0> Done
[20:56] <UndiFineD> but you should watch dr who
[20:56] <UndiFineD> and rename to "Face of Bo"?
[20:57] <MH0> Hi U<tab>
[20:57] <MH0> :P
[20:57] <MH0> Why? Im not old :P
[20:58] <UndiFineD> Micheal Harker becomes Face of Bo
[20:58] <MH0> Huh? Its Capt'n Jack that does in DrWho
[20:58] <MH0> I have sussed it :P
[20:59] <MH0> Right, we ready to start?
[20:59] <MH0> #startmeeting
[20:59] <meetingology> Meeting started Sat Jan 29 20:59:12 2011 UTC.  The chair is MH0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell.
[20:59] <meetingology> Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting.
[20:59] <MH0> Muscovy: Omega UndiFineD AndrewMC & everyone else Ping
[20:59] <MH0> #topic Please Mark your Presence with a "o/"
[20:59] <meetingology> TOPIC: Please Mark your Presence with a "o/"
[20:59] <MH0> o/
[21:00] <samuel> o/
[21:00] <MH0> Hi samuel :)
[21:00] <UndiFineD> right i have other meetings to attend to
[21:00] <MH0> Okies UndiFineD
[21:00] <UndiFineD> ping me when needed
[21:00] <MH0> Do pop in :)
[21:00] <MH0> Muscovy: Here?
[21:00] <MH0> We need at least 2 admins here
[21:00] <MH0> tbh
[21:00] <MH0> :)
[21:02] <MH0> Omega: PIng?
[21:02] <MH0> Right, Lets just get started :)
[21:02] <MH0> Okay so...
[21:02] <Muscovy> I'm here!
[21:02] <MH0> #topic Ubuntu Tour Website
[21:02] <meetingology> TOPIC: Ubuntu Tour Website
[21:02] <MH0> Muscovy: :)
[21:03] <MH0> I have made a progress since we last met up
[21:03] <MH0> I will be getting Dynamacy in but for the sake of It here is the dummy site:
[21:03] <Muscovy> I can apply the new style whenever, so just let me know when you've "finished" the beta site. :D
[21:03] <MH0> #link http://www.ubuntutour.org/beta/
[21:04] <MH0> So, We need to think of features
[21:04] <MH0> I have a Developers Blog and Maybe a forum?
[21:04] <Muscovy> Hmm.
[21:04] <Muscovy> A blog could be useful.
[21:05] <MH0> Yeah
[21:05] <Muscovy> I'm not sure if a forum would, because most of its functionality would be covered in the blog and LP bug reports.
[21:05] <MH0> Like a Little Update of progress here at UT
[21:05] <MH0> (If I do refer to UT UT == Ubuntu Tour)
[21:05] <Muscovy> Gotcha.
[21:05] <MH0> Muscovy: Yup
[21:06] <MH0> I have TourBot here and Maybe I will have the RSS implemneted
[21:06] <MH0> If my Blog system does RSS (It should)
[21:06] <MH0> Right
[21:06] <Muscovy> When do you think the general design will be done by?
[21:07] <MH0> I think at least End of Feb
[21:07] <MH0> I want it done by March 3rd
[21:07] <Muscovy> Alright.
[21:07] <MH0> It would be a nice acheivement to get it done before my birthday and release on the 3rd :)
[21:07] <Muscovy> I'm not great with CSS and little details, but let me know if I can help.
[21:07] <MH0> (3/3 = MH0's bday)
[21:07] <MH0> Okies
[21:07] <MH0> #topic IRC Bot
[21:07] <meetingology> TOPIC: IRC Bot
[21:08] <MH0> Any features you think the bot can have?
[21:08] <MH0> At the moment There are these plugins in it
[21:08] <MH0> @list
[21:08] <TourBot> MH0: Admin, Channel, Config, Encyclopedia, Misc, Owner, User, and Web
[21:08] <meetingology> MH0: Admin, Channel, Config, MeetBot, Misc, Owner, and User
[21:08] <MH0> meetingology: Not You!
[21:08] <meetingology> MH0: Error: "Not" is not a valid command.
[21:08] <Muscovy> The main thing I'd like to see in a bot is bug report info from LP, like Ubottu.
[21:08] <MH0> Muscovy: Okies That seems a good Idea :)
[21:09] <Muscovy> I like just being able to say bug 1234 or whatever and get info on it.
[21:09] <MH0> At the moment it acts a little like ubottu anyway
[21:09] <MH0> !hi | Muscovy
[21:09] <TourBot> Muscovy: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-tour! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines . Enjoy your stay!
[21:09] <MH0> !botsnack
[21:09] <TourBot> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[21:09] <MH0> Feel free to play anytime
[21:10] <Muscovy> What's the bot written in?
[21:10] <MH0> Python
[21:10] <MH0> Its a Sypybot
[21:10] <MH0> *Supybot
[21:11] <Muscovy> Next topic?
[21:11] <MH0> Muscovy: Any Topics you want to add?
[21:11] <Muscovy> Hmm.
[21:11] <Muscovy> I suppose I can start with the home page.
[21:11] <MH0> Oh sec
[21:12] <MH0> Instead of ubot we have Tourbot
[21:12] <MH0> This brings a massivae advantage to us, too
[21:12] <Muscovy> We've been tossing around the idea of having some sort of home/menu page.
[21:12] <MH0> And I may put it in for a official ubuntu bot
[21:12] <MH0> So yeah
[21:12] <MH0> #topic home Screen in UT
[21:12] <meetingology> TOPIC: home Screen in UT
[21:12] <Muscovy> Here's the wiki page I made: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTour/StartPage
[21:12] <TourBot> Title: UbuntuTour/StartPage - Ubuntu Wiki (at wiki.ubuntu.com)
[21:13] <Muscovy> So we can have a place to plan.
[21:13] <MH0> Okay, HTML, CSS People
[21:13] <MH0> And we need Madness to add a functionality for the screen
[21:14] <Muscovy> Thinking of our head coder, someone suggested the other day that we need support for larger images,
[21:14] <MH0> Like SVG?
[21:14] <Muscovy> which we can't use at the moment because of scaling.
[21:14] <MH0> So we need SVG Images?
[21:14] <Muscovy> I don't think we could svg screenshots though.
[21:15] <samuel> no - they're vectors
[21:15] <Muscovy> The problem is that there's not a way to show images full sized.
[21:15] <Muscovy> You know how when you click on them you get a larger preview?
[21:16] <MH0> Yeah
[21:16] <samuel> On the current build?
[21:16] <Muscovy> I think there should be a button there to open it in the image viewer, so it can be full sized.
[21:16] <samuel> I think that would somewhat ruin the experience
[21:17] <MH0> Muscovy: I will sory of +0 It seems good, but It could make the tour slower, Not good forsomeone in a rush
[21:17] <Muscovy> Here's an example of where image size is a problem: http://i.imgur.com/OQYZz.png
[21:17] <Muscovy> I think that page needs a "full size" button by the close button or something.
[21:17] <MH0> I see,
[21:17] <Muscovy> In that image, you can't read the page.
[21:17] <MH0> Its all pixelated
[21:17] <MH0> Yeah
[21:18] <MH0> Were gonna have fun with MadnessRed
[21:18] <MH0> ;D
[21:18] <Muscovy> Yeah, webkit doesn't anti-aliase.
[21:18] <Muscovy> Only other coding thing I can think of, is it would be _nice_ if images using percentage for size don't go over 100%.
[21:19] <Muscovy> That makes scaling images by percent feasible.
[21:19] <MH0> Yeah
[21:19] <Muscovy> RIght now we can't, because it'll look horrid if you have a big enough screen.
[21:20] <Muscovy> But the home page is a coding priority.
[21:20] <Muscovy> MadnessRed and anyone else brave can probbaly start the framework long before we decide what's on the page.
[21:20] <Muscovy> I need to make another mockup or two for different concepts.
[21:20] <MH0> So, Lets set some action Items
[21:21] <MH0> #topic Actions
[21:21] <meetingology> TOPIC: Actions
[21:21] <MH0> #action MichealH to finish the website soon
[21:21] <meetingology> ACTION: MichealH to finish the website soon
[21:21] <Muscovy> I'll bug report percentage scaling and needing a way t see full sized images.
[21:21] <MH0> #action IRCBot to be improved a little
[21:21] <meetingology> ACTION: IRCBot to be improved a little
[21:21] <Muscovy> We should send out an email about the home page.
[21:22] <MH0> #action MadnessRed to Do Homepage and Fix some bugs That Muscovy will file
[21:22] <meetingology> ACTION: MadnessRed to Do Homepage and Fix some bugs That Muscovy will file
[21:22] <MH0> #topic Wrapping up
[21:22] <meetingology> TOPIC: Wrapping up
[21:22] <MH0> So... Anything else?
[21:22] <Muscovy> I believe that's it for present.
[21:23] <MH0> So, Were done?
[21:23] <MH0> Okies
[21:23] <MH0> Going
[21:23] <MH0> Going
[21:23] <MH0> Gone
[21:23] <MH0> #endmeeting
[21:23] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sat Jan 29 21:23:25 2011 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell . (v 0.1.4)
[21:23] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://mootbot.libertus.co.uk/ubuntu-tour/2011/ubuntu-tour.2011-01-29-20.59.moin.txt
[21:23] <TourBot> Title: Alan Bell - Ubuntu Wiki (at wiki.ubuntu.com)
[23:21] <samuel> Is this planned for release before 11.04 in April? We seem to have a lot of articles/screenshots of 10.04 which will soon be outdated - especially with the switch to Unity?
[23:22] <samuel> Sorry - I meant 10.10
[23:24] <UndiFineD> samuel: do not worry about the screenshots, we are much more concerned of content
[23:24] <Muscovy> Yes.
[23:24] <Muscovy> The UI and art is also liable to change a lot.
[23:25] <samuel> UndiFineD: I meant content as well - everything which involves the desktop and software centre etc will likely be outdated
[23:26] <Muscovy> I see your point, but same issue - rapid change.
[23:27] <UndiFineD> samuel: it is easy enough to set up a machine running an alpha release of unity, but, every is waiting for the UI freeze
[23:27] <Muscovy> Unity is a larger issue than individual app changes.
[23:27] <UndiFineD> everyone*
[23:27] <Muscovy> We'll manage, since there's only 1 long chapter on it.
[23:27] <samuel> I suppose things like Banshee can be covered - and Libreoffice
[23:27] <Muscovy> A lot of Unity details liek dash and people are still in the mockup stage.
[23:27] <samuel> they wont change a lot
[23:27] <UndiFineD> 2011/03/24
[23:27] <UndiFineD> UI Freeze
[23:27] <Muscovy> Yes, we could certainly start those now.
[23:28] <UndiFineD> that is very near 11.04
[23:28] <UndiFineD> so until that time focus on the completeness of current content
[23:29] <samuel> Will GTK be used in Unity?
[23:29] <UndiFineD> yes
[23:29] <Muscovy> Yes.
[23:29] <samuel> Good - I was half way through an article on themes and got worried :D
[23:29] <Muscovy> Unity is a "shell" which means it's basically just top level UI stuff that changes.
[23:48] <Omega> Also MadnessRed already added support for the startpage
[23:50] <Muscovy> :D
[23:58] <Omega> Someone just needs to make one


[01:45] <m0nkey_> well, after months of not using the 3d printer.. this print came out perfect.. no warping or stringing
[09:33] <daftykins> \o/
[09:33] <daftykins> mornin'
[09:34] <zxmpi> good moaning
[11:03] <daftykins> hrmm a client never writes new emails, he digs out old ones and then replies... i can see a history of emails going back to June beneath the new one D:
[11:04] <diddledani> I'll bet they toppost too
[11:05] <zxmpi> they always top post, that's why it's more fun to bottom post in replies like a proper professional >:-)
[11:12] <daftykins> hang on, in what universe do clients read the content of emails and respond to questions? :D
[11:13] <zxmpi> you've never held their data hostage? answer the questions of the backup tape dies :-P
[11:13] <daftykins> lol
[11:13] <daftykins> hmm you could livestream a toaster oven heating up, these days
[11:14] <zxmpi> nah, you mail back a metre of tape wrapped around a magnet :-P
[11:17]  * daftykins gasps
[11:18] <zxmpi> if that doesn't get answers to questions then the next metre is sent in a bottle of tape head cleaner :-P
[11:21] <daftykins> penguin42: happy afternoonings \o
[11:22] <penguin42> hey there daftykins
[11:22] <daftykins> all well?
[11:23] <penguin42> yeh, start of 1.5 weeks holiday
[11:24] <daftykins> ooh very nice
[11:24] <zxmpi> ...and you're hanging out in a linux forum... :-P
[11:25] <penguin42> very much hanging
[11:25] <daftykins> we're just that cool
[11:26]  * penguin42 has the stones and UB40 playing and I'm just waking up
[11:26] <zxmpi> we should have a server farm in here to benefit from the amount of cool :-P
[11:30]  * zxmpi adds rolling stones to cd acquistion list
[11:46] <daftykins> diddledani: phew finally wrote that email
[11:51] <daftykins> now, let's see if i can track down the RMC video where the postcard trend began
[12:00] <daftykins> found it - https://youtu.be/AsMmX60swKg?t=1482
[12:12] <penguin42> hmm that's confused stuff, Asda delivering a:30 early
[12:12] <daftykins> lol
[12:17] <daftykins> vet followup appointment time! bbl
[12:17] <zxmpi> you'd think daftykins would spend the extra dosh and see a doctor :-P
[13:35] <daftykins> zxmpi: i won't get treats then though!
[13:36] <zxmpi> best beef jerky available at the vet. beats a lollipop any day :-P
[13:54] <daftykins> heh there was a reluctant labrador puppy in there too, who had to be carried from the car to be coaxed inside xD
[16:34] <zxmpi> well last time they were at vet they woke up with a sore fun zone, why would they ever be reluctant :-P
[17:13] <daftykins> hehe, possibly