[11:36] <edulix> what package contains s2ram in gutsy? does that even exist in gutsy anymore? uswsusp contains s2disk and s2both but not s2ram command
[11:37] <jussi01> !find s2ram
[11:37] <ubotu> Package/file s2ram does not exist in gutsy
[11:37] <JosefK> eythian, yeah, I found that and fixed it, seems to default to 100%
[11:37] <jussi01> edulix: sorry
[11:38] <savvas> edulix: what does s2ram do?
[11:38] <edulix> suspend to ram
[11:40] <savvas> edulix: you mean hibernate? :)
[11:40] <savvas> edulix: check these out, maybe one of them is the one you want: http://pastebin.ca/raw/726548
[11:40] <hylje> savvas: hibernate suspends to disk
[11:41] <savvas> hylje: hibernate - smartly puts your computer to sleep (suspend to RAM or disk)
[11:41] <edulix> savvas: there a lot of suspend scripts, I wanted the one of uswsusp
[11:43] <savvas> uh..
[11:43] <savvas> edulix: uswsusp exists
[11:43] <savvas> $ s2ram
[11:43] <savvas> The program 's2ram' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[11:43] <savvas> sudo apt-get install uswsusp
[11:44] <savvas> sometimes just typing the command can actually help :P
[11:44] <edulix> sorry
[11:44] <edulix> you're right
[11:44] <savvas> (it's a new addition since feisty i think)
[11:44] <edulix> uhm, no, you're not. I still have the problem
[11:45] <edulix> # s2ram
[11:45] <edulix> -su: s2ram: orden no encontrada
[11:45] <edulix> (which mean: command not found)
[11:45] <savvas> you haven't checked the universe software repos
[11:45] <savvas> system > admin > soft sources
[11:45] <edulix> savvas: not only I hae them, but I have also uswsusp installed
[11:45] <savvas> check everything except backports
[11:45] <savvas> hm
[11:47] <savvas> edulix: have you configured it?
[11:48] <savvas> weird, it says my swap is not active, hm..
[11:50] <savvas> edulix: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=uswsusp&version=gutsy&arch=i386
[11:50] <savvas> it contains s2both and s2disk only
[11:51] <savvas> s2both combines the funtionalities of s2ram and s2disk and it's very useful when the battery is almost depleted. s2both write system snapshot to the swap (just like s2disk) but then put the machine into STR (just like s2ram). If the battery has enough power left you can quickly resume from STR, otherwise you can still resume from disk without loosing your work.
[11:52] <savvas> (that from http://suspend.sourceforge.net/intro.shtml)
[11:55] <savvas> hm.. weird, s2ram is in the souce
[11:56] <savvas> source even
[11:57] <_StefanS_> any news on ICH8/9 sound support in gutsy ?
[11:58] <vonHalenbach> hi
[11:58] <savvas> edulix: I'll file a bug if no one has filed it before me
[12:00] <vonHalenbach> Can it be, that ".png" files are connected with Mozilla Thunderbird instead of GQview? This is in xubuntu beta. updated yesterday. But it is also on the livecd like this.
[12:02] <eythian> OK, I've looked where I can think of for this X server restarting thing - any ideas?
[12:03] <vonHalenbach> the bug with the xfce panel?
[12:03] <eythian> No, when I log out, the X server restarts. This causes a significant problem with something else. I'd like the X server to keep running.
[12:03] <vonHalenbach> ok
[12:07] <nickren> so does gutsy have built in muli-monitor configuration
[12:07] <nickren> multi*(
[12:07] <eythian> nickren: in theory. It doesn't work with nvidia, and I couldn't make it work with nv either.
[12:08] <nickren> what about ati
[12:08] <eythian> I don't know about ATI
[12:09] <ikonia> the problem is the differecnce between propritary tools like twinview and xinerama in config
[12:09] <ikonia> quite hard to make "generic"
[12:09] <nickren> well both of those are useless anyway
[12:09] <ikonia> both are fine
[12:09] <eythian> does anyone here use twinview? If I could fix a problem with that I'm having, that would mean the X restarting thing isn't an issue.
[12:09] <nickren> one screen will have rendering and one won't
[12:10] <eythian> nickren: twinview gives both screens rendering
[12:10] <panosru> Hi, why there is no login screen on aMSN ??
[12:10] <ikonia> eythian I have used it before
[12:10] <ikonia> eythian nope
[12:10] <nickren> well, yes it does
[12:10] <ikonia> eythian: sorry
[12:10] <ikonia> wong person
[12:11] <nickren> but not for  ATI
[12:11] <ikonia> nickren it works fine on both screens
[12:11] <ikonia> nickren thats not twinview
[12:11] <nickren> its what bigdesktop
[12:11] <nickren> ?
[12:11] <eythian> ikonia: I have a problem where, when switching to twinview, gnome treats it like one big screen, and panels stretch the whole way across.
[12:12] <ikonia> eythian you need to change the twinview mode, you can have it as dual screen or a big desktop, or two desktops
[12:12] <eythian> ikonia: in feisty, when I log out and log in, gnome realises there are two screens and behaves properly.
[12:12] <ikonia> eythian sorry, should have let you finish, thought that was your roblem
[12:12] <eythian> ikonia: how do I do that? I'm on a laptop, so I use the nvidia-settings thing to do it.
[12:12] <ikonia> eythian ahhh nvidia-settings, in my opinion that too is no-usable as a generic tool. I change it in xorg
[12:13] <eythian> ikonia: there's two problems :) but if I can fix one, the other is not an issue.
[12:13] <eythian> ikonia: I'm on a laptop, and often switching between single and dual monitor.
[12:13] <FallenHitokiri> hi, can someone confirm that the current updates that are available since this morning (for gutsy) are not installing but throwing an while processing cups packages?
[12:13] <FallenHitokiri> exact error is: "E:/v/c/a/a/cupsys_1.3.2-ubuntu4_i386.deb: try to overwrote /u/s/d/libcupsys2/credits.txt that is in libcupsys2"
[12:13] <eythian> FallenHitokiri: see the topic
[12:13] <FallenHitokiri> eythian: thanks
[12:13] <ikonia> eythian I used to do that with a docking station, and got around it with an init script that did a dcc probe and a case statment so that depending on what info came back from dcc probe was what /etc/xorg.conf file was copied into place
[12:14] <gnomefreak> FallenHitokiri: please run sudo apt-get update
[12:14] <FallenHitokiri> gnomefreak: I'm doing this right now
[12:14] <gnomefreak> cupsys was fixed last night
[12:14] <ikonia> eythian: eg: I had xorg.conf.laptop xorg.conf.docked-work xorg.conf.docked-home and the script coped the correct one to /etc/xorg.conf
[12:14] <ikonia> eythian: ugly, but worked fine
[12:14] <gnomefreak> i havent seen if it hit all repos so im leaving it there
[12:14] <FallenHitokiri> gnomefreak: thats strange. I ran update / upgrade this morning and it didn't work
[12:14] <eythian> ikonia: in feisty, after logout/login I could switch between single and dual quite happily, but in gutsy I can't logout without restarting X.
[12:14] <eythian> Hmm. I wonder if restarting just gnome would do it....
[12:15] <FallenHitokiri> still the same error
[12:15] <gnomefreak> FallenHitokiri: about 8 hours ago the developer was working on it and within a few hours it hit some repos
[12:15] <gnomefreak> FallenHitokiri: did you run --force-overwrite at any time yesterday?
[12:15] <FallenHitokiri> gnomefreak: could it be possible that german mirrors didn't sync today?
[12:15] <FallenHitokiri> gnomefreak: no
[12:15] <gnomefreak> fllet me see if i got it
[12:15] <gnomefreak> FallenHitokiri: let me see if i got it
[12:16] <ikonia> eythian again, I just don't think nvidia-settings is a portable tool for multiple versions, distros etc etc.
[12:16] <eythian> FallenHitokiri: I'm using the .de mirror, I used dpkg -i --force-all to install it, and it seems to be happy now.
[12:16] <eythian> ikonia: yeah, I know. But it now isn't possible to do dual monitor in a useful way without having to restart and reconfigure X.
[12:16] <aantn> I get a white screen when booting from the live cd on a g5 ppc
[12:16] <eythian> if I could stop X restarting, the problem would go away :)
[12:17] <eythian> ikonia: actually, what's the X config to make it do dual monitor but see it as two monitors?
[12:17] <gnomefreak> FallenHitokiri: bug 149188
[12:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 149188 in cupsys "[GUTSY BETA]  error when updating cupsys (dup-of: 149106)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/149188
[12:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 149106 in cupsys "package cupsys 1.3.2-1ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/libcupsys2/CREDITS.txt', which is also in package libcupsys2" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/149106
[12:17] <ikonia> eythian look in xorg.conf and look at the modules under twinview I can't remember all the names
[12:17] <ikonia> eythian I'll see if I can find it in google if its not obvious on your card
[12:18] <ikonia> on your config sorry
[12:18] <gnomefreak> FallenHitokiri: if it doesnt work please reopen that bug give your full error set bug to incomplete please if you reopen it
[12:18] <aantn> any ideas anyone?
[12:18] <eythian> ikonia: I don't have a twinview reference in my config
[12:18] <FallenHitokiri> gnomefreak: okay I'll check this thanks
[12:20] <ikonia> eythian oooh drat, yes, nvidia-settings does it in memory I think
[12:20] <eythian> ikonia: yeah, I think it just talks to the driver
[12:21] <ikonia> eythian yup, I'm not sure how to do it with nvidia settings, sorry
[12:21] <eythian> ikonia: what I'm thinking is that if I put the appropriate option for twinview in the config, maybe it'll use that all the time and work.
[12:22] <eythian> ikonia: I also regularly switch between 3 different external monitors, which is why I like it to be dynamic.
[12:22] <Crozar> Pici: or anybody i have a problem
[12:23] <ikonia> eythian as far as I'm concerned, that functionality is not available with a tool and requires a custom script setup, which is an ugly work around
[12:23] <ikonia> Crozar just ask the question, rather than call someone out
[12:23] <eythian> ikonia: it is available with a tool, it just broke in gutsy :)
[12:23] <eythian> I used it great in feisty with no issues
[12:23] <ikonia> eythian the tool as far as I'm concerned is not usable
[12:25] <Crozar> when i burn a CD my drive's light flashes on and off for many seconds and its burning very well i see the buffer sequence is writing good in low speed then after its completed the cd drive ejects it i was happy until i put it back in and my drivers light flash's on an off to try to read it butt yet it cant read it keeps doing the sound trying to read psss prrr pss prrr pss prr
[12:25] <ikonia> Crozar thats normally a drive issue, I've had to swap drives out recently
[12:26] <Crozar> ikonia: on ubuntu 7.04 feisty i wrote 7.10 on a cd how did i update then?
[12:26] <Crozar> lo
[12:26] <ikonia> ?
[12:26] <ikonia> you updated before the drive broke ?
[12:26] <Crozar> i have burned cd's when i was on 7.04
[12:27] <Crozar> im on 7.10 now and this ismy problem
[12:27] <ikonia> try putting in paid for CD's such as a music cd
[12:27] <ikonia> see if it reads it
[12:27] <ikonia> Crozar the drive may well have died
[12:27] <Crozar> ikonia i tried a mini cd and i tried data files it works
[12:27] <eythian> Crozar: or that particular burn failed
[12:27] <Crozar> but for iso no.
[12:27] <Crozar> no failures
[12:28] <eythian> Crozar: did it do a verify pass?
[12:28] <Crozar> no because im on laptop the cd doesnt go back automaticly lo
[12:28] <Crozar> the driverr *
[12:29] <Crozar> i can try , but yet i have tried many things? should i try data ? and see if it writes on my imation cd?
[12:29] <Crozar> btw guys when i wrote my ubuntu 7.10 it was a sony CD - R =/ does this make a diffrence
[12:30] <Crozar> similar to this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dvdrtools/+bug/46966
[12:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 46966 in dvdrtools "Burning dvd succedes, but can't read disk afterwards" [Medium,Confirmed]
[12:32] <gnomefreak> Crozar: try a differnet cd and if you have another cdburner try that as well. what app did you use to burn the cd? to start with
[12:32] <gnomefreak> Crozar: your not burning dvd from what i read so that bug isnt even close to same as yours
[12:32] <Crozar> gnomefreak: im on laptop :( its my legend since 2001 final toshiba s801 satelite
[12:33] <Crozar> maybe that guy who burned dvd didnt try to burn an iso cd ;)
[12:33] <Crozar> testers check from all angles before claiming
[12:34] <gnomefreak> Crozar: dvd isnt the same as cd and dvdtools package means nothing for cds
[12:37] <gnomefreak> Crozar: what happens if you take the cd you burnt and insert it into the cdrom drive while still using ubuntu or windows or whatever you are on?
[12:37] <Crozar> this time i will try to write data cd and see
[12:37] <gnomefreak> not for an iso
[12:37] <gnomefreak> ISO you want burn cd image
[12:37] <Crozar> huh?
[12:37] <Crozar> i burned iso successfully through ubuntu 7.03 on the normal cd creator program
[12:37] <gnomefreak> Crozar: what ar eyou burning ubuntu gutsy ISO?
[12:38] <Crozar> yes
[12:38] <gnomefreak> Crozar: buring cd data isnt gonna help you in any way shape or form
[12:38] <gnomefreak> Crozar: it needs to be burnt asa a cd image
[12:38] <gnomefreak> burnt as a cd image
[12:38] <vonHalenbach> iso
[12:39] <Crozar> gnomefreak: if cd data works then means my drive is fine with the system but the system's buffer or something to do with SCIM XLAbblah problem
[12:39] <gnomefreak> Crozar: cd data isnt going to work
[12:39] <gnomefreak> Crozar: your pc will only boot a cd image
[12:39] <gnomefreak> or dvd image if you have a dvd drive
[12:39] <Crozar> i know , but i will burn just some pictures in a cd as data cs just to see if its ok
[12:39] <Crozar> no my driver is DVD ROM * cd r - rw
[12:40] <gnomefreak> oh i would have inserted cd that you already burnt to see if it copied the info to cd but feel free to do it that way
[12:40] <Crozar> i got 5 cd's i already burned
[12:40] <gnomefreak> are they desktop cd or alternate?
[12:41] <Crozar> gnomefreak: i got even a CD RW that i already burned and whenever i put it back it says the cd is empty lol what happened with all the flashes and fireworks while it was on process
[12:41] <ikonia> so even known good cd's are not working ?
[12:41] <gnomefreak> sounds like you are having permission issues
[12:41] <Crozar> imation cd's and 1 sony the sony cd i did on my ubuntu 7.03 that worked =/ u guessing it might be from cd's? but imation is good and this looks slick and a nice competition market for sony's products
[12:42] <gnomefreak> are you on wondows right now?
[12:42] <gnomefreak> windows*
[12:42] <Crozar> im on ubuntu gutsy
[12:42] <Crozar> i dont have windows my laptop is been reinvented for the real use of computing
[12:43] <Crozar> my imation mini cd worked when i tested data
[12:44] <Crozar> i can try these normal imation cd's to write on data and see if it will be readable from my drive .
[12:44] <gnomefreak> Crozar: what burn program are you using to burn <what are you trying to burn>
[12:44] <Crozar> actually right now iso
[12:44] <Crozar> i tried gnomebaker k3b and normal ubuntu default burner
[12:45] <gnomefreak> why an iso?
[12:45] <Crozar> ubuntu 6 edgy iso
[12:45] <Crozar> or ubuntu 7.10 gutsy iso
[12:45] <gnomefreak> normal ubuntu default im assuming you mean nautilus?
[12:45] <Crozar> maybe a windows 98 iso =/
[12:45] <Crozar> i mean cd/dvd creator
[12:46] <gnomefreak> from places menu?
[12:46] <Crozar> ya
[12:46] <gnomefreak> yes that is nautilus
[12:46] <Crozar> i tried that and k3b and gnomebaker
[12:46] <Crozar> you say its got to do with permisions?
[12:46] <Innomen> will the new ubuntu support broadcom/belkin cards hassle free?
[12:47] <gnomefreak> well its either a. drive is failing. b. your not buring it correctly. but you dont seem to be answering questions with best possible answers or trying to be a wise guy so have at it
[12:48] <Crozar> gnomefreak:  comon :( im losing hope
[12:49] <Crozar> ok i just burned a 20 mb file lets see if its readable
[12:51] <dan____> hello guys, i installed daily updated today, now i cant decipher my crypto partition anymore, i get "failed to setup dm-crypt key mappng" after entering the passphrase
[12:51] <Crozar> gnomefreak: TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-R2212 1019 (/dev/scd0, ) [CD-R, CD-RW, CD-ROM, DVD-ROM]  [DVD-ROM, CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW]  [SAO, TAO, RAW, SAO/R96P, SAO/R96R, RAW/R96R]
[12:51] <Crozar> i hear in some forums they change scd0 to scd1 ..? maybe for that purpose of my problem?
[12:51] <kyja_> love um
[12:52] <ikonia> Crozar is your 20 meg file readable
[12:52] <dan____> http://www.pastebin.org/4165   anyone can point me at the error?
[12:52] <Crozar> gnomefreak: !!!!! my data cd doesnt read aswell still making the flashes on an off my drive is trying to read but still psss prrrr psss prrrrrrrrr tik tik tik tik tik tik prrrrrrr tik tik tik tik again and again
[12:52] <Crozar> ikonia: ~! :(
[12:53] <ikonia> Crozar your drive is dead
[12:53] <Crozar> what!
[12:53] <Crozar> its 2001
[12:53] <ikonia> I'm not interested any more
[12:53] <Crozar> its a 2nd generation drive
[12:53] <Crozar> ikonia:  :( whyyyy
[12:53] <ikonia> failures happy
[12:53] <ikonia> happen
[12:53] <dan____> !bug
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[12:53] <Crozar> ikonia: what must i do? should i try to install windows and see if it can?
[12:54] <ikonia> Crozar I'm not interested
[12:54] <Crozar> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
[12:54] <Crozar> how come!!! i left windows i thought this can be perfect!!!
[12:54] <hylje> haha
[12:54] <sc> I'm trying out the new gutsy. I have a problem with amarok. It keeps using 100% cpu while "Updating Collection...". It gets stuck at 91% and then starts over. Music is playing, but something seems wrong. Is this a known problem? If not, how do I investigate further?
[12:54] <Crozar> still have problems with networking , securities is up the bam and no utilities for eyecandy configuration ,  cd r rw drive problems and much things
[12:55] <Crozar> il goback to 7.04
[12:55] <ikonia> sc not seen or heard of that
[12:56] <ikonia> sc have a look through launchpad see if anything is logged
[12:56] <sc> ikonia: I did - nothing from what I saw.
[12:56] <ikonia> sc: log it then
[12:56] <ikonia> sounds a reasonable bug
[12:57] <Zoiks> i have a silly question that probably has the simplest answer about the pidgin install in gutsy
[12:57] <sc> ikonia: How log it? Don't want to sound stupid, but if it dosn't crash I have no idea of how to log it.
[12:57] <ikonia> sc I mean log the bug on launchpad, sorry
[12:57] <Crozar> ikonia and gnomefreak this is the problem bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/37876
[12:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 37876 in linux-source-2.6.15 "Kernel does not read DVDs, no automount" [Medium,Invalid]
[12:58] <ikonia> just repot what you've said here
[12:58] <ikonia> Crozar your not using that kernel
[12:58] <Crozar> this is the exact problem however hes expiriencing it with DVD
[12:58] <sc> ikonia: Ok, thanks.
[12:58] <Crozar> no but same exact situation trust me
[12:58] <ikonia> Crozar I don't, I'm not interested
[12:58] <gnomefreak> Crozar: you dont use that kernel so its not the same problem you are also not reading dvds
[12:58] <Zoiks> with the pidgin install in gutsy... the text box that you write in is very small vertically, if i drag it larger it just resets when I open a new chat window or close and reopen
[12:58] <Zoiks> any ideas?
[12:58] <gnomefreak> there is a differnece in both of those
[12:59] <Crozar> look! he says hen after it stops the DVD is not mounted. (( but i say hen after it stops the!!!!! CD !!!!is not mounted
[12:59] <ikonia> Zoiks look at default settings, see if you can change it
[01:00] <gnomefreak> Crozar: i suggest filing your own bug report. addin gto that one will not help you ignoring the issue will now help you complaining about it will not help you
[01:00] <gnomefreak> s/now/not
[01:00] <Crozar> !Bug
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[01:00] <gnomefreak> s/addin gto/adding to
[01:01] <Crozar> huh?
[01:01] <Crozar> gnomefreak: what ur saying?
[01:01] <gnomefreak> spelling mistakes
[01:01] <Crozar> of who?
[01:01] <gnomefreak> in short file a bug report.
[01:01] <gnomefreak> mine
[01:01] <Crozar> k
[01:01] <Zoiks> ikonia: i cannot see anything in preferences
[01:01] <ikonia> Zoiks: it may not exist
[01:02] <ikonia> rizhun it may resize on new window by default
[01:02] <ikonia> msn used to do that same
[01:02] <nickren> ikonia you still in here
[01:02] <ikonia> nickren yup
[01:02] <nickren> how long am i banned from ubuntu ircf
[01:02] <ikonia> nickren no idea
[01:03] <nickren> that don't have a ban limit or something
[01:03] <ikonia> nickren I suggest joining #ubuntu-ops with some humble pie as you where pretty rude
[01:03] <Zoiks> ikonia: so there is no way to edit it?
[01:04] <nickren> hey ubuntu irc is general. that means everything, just cause some freak doesn't want to see stuff about gutsy at 4:30am is no reason to ban
[01:04] <gnomefreak> nickren: take it to #ubuntu-ops
[01:04] <nickren> i mean i know i'm not banned forever.....dynamic ip address helps me on that but still
[01:05] <Tm_T> nickren: as said, ban discussions in #ubuntu-ops
[01:05] <nickren> wow, you people are really tight huh
[01:06] <Tm_T> =)
[01:06] <Zoiks> ouch
[01:06] <gnomefreak> sigh
[01:06] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: some likes it tight
[01:09] <kyja_> I seem to have to desktop menu items in places
[01:17] <wers> on gutsy, a dist upgrade dialog came out and that's the only way I  can upgrade.. any ideas why it is this way?
[01:24] <eythian> gaarg, that was a mission, but I now have good dual-monitor support back. And the solution was so easy!
[01:25] <eythian> I just needed to add 'Option "Twinview" "True"' to xorg.conf, and the driver automatically goes into twinview mode when another monitor is plugged in, and then gnome starts behaving itself. It's not 100% perfect, but equivalent to what I had before.
[01:25] <eythian> still requires an extra logout/login pass, but after that it works.
[01:25] <eythian> Hopefully this means I don't have to spend tomorrow rolling back to feisty.
[01:31] <Crozar> gnomefreak: i will try the cd's on my friends computer brb
[01:44] <phoenix_> hi, i have a problem while installing avm fritzcard driver http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/15713/
[01:48] <pvandewyngaerde> servers down ?
[01:48] <pvandewyngaerde> /slow
[01:49] <ikonia> phoenix_ you've sparked my interest, what is a fritzcard
[01:50] <void^> looks like the driver needs to be updated to work with current kernel versions
[01:52] <void^> fcpci should be part of linux-restricted-modules though
[01:52] <ikonia> phoenix_ your missing some headers,
[01:54] <phoenix_> ikonia: http://www.avm.de/en/Produkte/FRITZ_for_ISDN/FRITZ_Card_PCI/index.html this is the card
[01:55] <phoenix_> void^: linux-restricted-modules are installed
[01:56] <void^> you should have the fcpci module then, the object files are there. i can't really be sure though, i've disabled all modules i don't need.
[01:59] <bdgraue> any idea how to install it, how to solve the problems?
[02:00] <bdgraue> bdgraue: <--phoenix
[02:00] <bdgraue> ikonia, void^ any idea what i/phoenix can do?
[02:01] <ikonia> have you tried to modprobe for the module ?
[02:03] <phoenix_> ikonia: how can i do that?
[02:03] <phoenix_> sudo modrobe ...
[02:03] <ikonia> void^: what did you say the module was alled
[02:03] <phoenix_> +p
[02:05] <phoenix_> good question
[02:07] <phoenix_> capi?
[02:07] <void^> fcpci
[02:07] <phoenix_> $ sudo modprobe fcpci
[02:07] <phoenix_> FATAL: Error inserting fcpci (/lib/modules/2.6.22-12-386/volatile/fcpci.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[02:08] <void^> well, see dmesg
[02:08] <phoenix_> [ 4877.646916]  fcpci: Unknown symbol pci_module_init
[02:08] <void^> time to file a bugreport ;)
[02:09] <phoenix_> hmm, btu what do i have to write in this bugreport?
[02:09] <phoenix_> what was the kernel-developer irc-channel?
[02:09] <void^> ah, bug 121978
[02:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121978 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "Unknown symbol in module fcpci.ko" [Medium,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121978
[02:10] <ikonia> that bug suggests its a dependant module not being loaded as a dependency rather than an incompatabiliy
[02:12] <phoenix_> so what can i do?
[02:12] <void^> it's a change in kernel module api, pci_module_init is deprecated
[02:13] <ikonia> void ah so it is a change not a dependency
[02:15] <phoenix_> ikonia, void^ what do i have toi do to get all working coorect?
[02:16] <elmargol> I can't find a way to overclock my cpu on linux :(
[02:17] <ikonia> phoenix_ need developer to fix it
[02:17] <void^> phoenix_: wait for the updated package, use an old kernel package, or recompile it yourself applying the patch..
[02:17] <ikonia> elmargol 1.) thats nothing to do with ubuntu or gusty 2.) its done at a hardware level
[02:17] <void^> i suggest waiting ;)
[02:17] <ikonia> wise
[02:18] <elmargol> ikonia: I did it on the bios. linux don't let me see the current clock speed (tells me the default one)
[02:18] <bdgraue> void^: any idea how long tim to wait?
[02:19] <ikonia> elmargol how are you checking, do you have speed step or apm enabled in ubuntu
[02:19] <savvas> elmargol: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[02:19] <elmargol> savvas: this shows me the default clock speed
[02:19] <ikonia> savvas that tells you the cpu's info - not the overclock
[02:19] <savvas> oh
[02:19] <savvas> then I'm out of this :)
[02:20] <elmargol> I'm looking at /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/
[02:22] <jhaig> Just out of interest, what is the "Rebuild Test" that, according to the release schedule, happened yesterday?
[02:25] <slytherin> jhaig: I guess it is test of whether there are any build failures, dependency problems etc.
[02:25] <slytherin> jhaig: I think it usually happens when RC is close
[02:25] <jhaig> Well, apparently the RC is slated for 11th
[02:27] <slytherin> jhaig: 7 days prior to final release.
[02:29] <kadakas> how can I use multiple monitors on Gutsy ?
[02:29] <eythian> kadakas: what video card?
[02:30] <kadakas> NVIDIA GeForce Go 7300
[02:30] <eythian> kadakas: I use nvidia-settings to do it
[02:30] <kadakas> thx
[02:32] <savvas> ssb: hal-info ?
[02:35] <ssb> savvas, I'm talking about this: http://rafb.net/p/DJTZaU51.html
[02:36] <savvas> well.. in hal-info the readme says: hal-info contains device information for HAL.
[02:36] <savvas> but can't find the doc for the device manager either
[02:36] <ssb> and all the difference in size is due to missing /usr/share/doc/hal-device-manager
[02:38] <eythian> anyone noticed that totem seems to get the aspect ratio wrong for things?
[02:38] <ssb> ah, found it. -- /usr/share/doc/libhal1/changelog.Debian.gz, second item
[02:39] <ssb> probably some scripting bug which caused /usr/share/doc/hal to become empty dir instead of a symlink  after upgrade
[02:45] <bahamada> Hi. I have an Problem with ekiga. Incoming calls are not accepted
[02:45] <bahamada> outgoing works
[02:45] <bahamada> can anybody help me?
[02:46] <bahamada> this problem is present since i use ekiga
[02:46] <bahamada> but since gusty it doesn
[02:46] <bahamada> work anymore
[02:47] <tretle> when is the official realease of gutsy?
[02:47] <Tomcat_`> tretle: October 18th
[02:47] <bahamada> RC is 08th
[02:47] <tretle> hmmm
[02:47] <Tomcat_`> 8th? o_O
[02:47] <Tomcat_`> Wow, that's early.
[02:47] <Tomcat_`> But the current daily looks really good.
[02:47] <tretle> I noticed that the 64bit version didnt have the places menu in gnome issue resolved
[02:47] <knofi> well i have another problem... the appereance dialog (gnome) doesnt work properly...
[02:48] <jhaig> bahamada: The release schedule says 11th.  Do you have more recent information?
[02:48] <tretle> whereas the 32bit does
[02:48] <panosru> amsn does not work on 64bit gutsy system?
[02:48] <knofi> the first 1-3 seconds you can use it and then nothing works any more
[02:48] <Tomcat_`> jhaig: 11th is more realistic also, because it's Thursday. :)
[02:48] <tretle> desktop shows up twice in the places menu
[02:49] <Tomcat_`> tretle: I've had that as well today.
[02:49] <bahamada> jhaig: no but the current beta works fine ;)
[02:49] <Tomcat_`> tretle: But that was 32bit.
[02:49] <jhaig> Has there just been one beta?
[02:50] <tretle> iv had this problem opn gutsy since i installed the 64bit version
[02:51] <tretle> was using the 32bit version before that
[02:51] <bahamada> is there a ekiga support channel?
[02:51] <tretle> the documents and desktop folders used to show up twice on 32bit system on the early versions, but it got fixed a few weeks ago
[02:52] <kRush> not really
[02:53] <kRush> but you can disable the stupid script in gnome session startup that makes those entries
[02:53] <knofi> does anyone have problems with the appereance dialog?
[02:54] <tretle> if u ask me the places menu should be just as customizable as applications and system menu's, then you wouldn't have stuff like this top worry about
[02:54] <nox-Hand> Hey
[02:54] <nox-Hand> I seem to have a lot of console beeps (dos speaker beeps) in a lot of programs
[02:55] <savvas> nox-Hand: you can disable them in system prefs sound
[02:55] <nox-Hand> How can I get rid of it? I don't want it :P Pidgin does it, console does it, other apps do it, etc
[02:55] <nox-Hand> savvas: "Enable System beep" right?
[02:55] <savvas> yep
[02:55] <tretle> knofi.... no problems here
[02:55] <nox-Hand> savvas: It's off.
[02:56] <savvas> !
[02:56] <savvas> nox-Hand: try enable it, close and reopen sound and disable it
[02:56] <knofi> theres just one button working - the close button
[02:56] <nox-Hand> savvas: Done, still fails
[02:56] <nox-Hand> Also tried that before
[02:56] <savvas> nox-Hand: restarted pc?
[02:57] <savvas> or gdm for that matter
[02:57] <nox-Hand> Nope, not yet
[02:57] <nox-Hand> brb
[02:57] <savvas> try a sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart it will kill your desktop manager
[02:57] <Starcraftmazter> so
[02:57] <Starcraftmazter> once again
[02:57] <Starcraftmazter> is anyone else having problems with that update
[02:57] <Starcraftmazter> displayconfig-gtk
[02:58] <Starcraftmazter> ?
[02:58] <savvas> what problem Starcraftmazter ? :)
[02:58] <riotkittie> odd. i'm missing icons. :|
[02:58] <Starcraftmazter> in 7.10
[02:58] <roe> people have been busy, lots of updates today
[02:58] <Starcraftmazter> today there were a bunch of updates
[02:58] <Starcraftmazter> the package, for one of them, appears to not exist on the server
[02:59] <Starcraftmazter> 404 error every time the update manager tries to retrieve it
[02:59] <savvas> try a different repository
[02:59] <Starcraftmazter> what ones are there for gutsy
[02:59] <Starcraftmazter> ?
[02:59] <savvas> where are you from?
[03:00] <Starcraftmazter> aus
[03:00] <savvas> Starcraftmazter: gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:00] <nox-Hand> savvas: No effect :)
[03:00] <savvas> Starcraftmazter: are the links there http://au.archive.ubuntu.com ?
[03:00] <Starcraftmazter> indeed there are
[03:01] <savvas> nox-Hand: maybe you have to disable it on each app
[03:01] <savvas> nox-Hand: i know for pidgin that you can disable the sound, no idea for firefox
[03:01] <nox-Hand> I had no problem with it in Feisty though
[03:01] <savvas> nox-Hand: a bug report would be helpful to being fixed :)
[03:02] <nox-Hand> Hehe, yeah
[03:02] <kadakas> will a laptop usb light work with Ubuntu out-of-the-box ?
[03:03] <savvas> nox-Hand: did you install all the codecs btw? maybe they need codecs... also, try disabling ESD in the sound window
[03:03] <savvas> under "Sounds"
[03:04] <nox-Hand> Yup
[03:04] <savvas> Starcraftmazter: sorry, um.. click on Replace button, Search for: au.archive Replace with: uk.archive
[03:04] <savvas> Starcraftmazter: save and close
[03:05] <savvas> Starcraftmazter: then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:05] <savvas> Starcraftmazter: it could be possible that the repositories are down, I gave you the UK ones to try
[03:06] <ReL1K> anyone getting some issues where it says "Waiting for headers" and doesn't move in apt?
[03:06] <savvas> kadakas: try the live cd :)
[03:06] <ReL1K> just started to move after 10 mins :P
[03:06] <LjL> ReL1K: type /topic
[03:07] <kadakas> i have gutsy installed atm and im thinking of bying a laptop light
[03:07] <ReL1K> darn it LjL I even looked before I asked that and skimmed right past that :P sorry
[03:07] <kadakas> but it says "windows" in all of their specs
[03:07] <savvas> ReL1K: the security.ubuntu.com i think, yes
[03:07] <LjL> yeah, security unfortunately is the only one that one can't change
[03:07] <savvas> ReL1K: mine waiteded about 15 seconds and finished
[03:07] <LjL> but it will work (probably) if you wait a while
[03:08] <ReL1K> its chucking along now
[03:08] <ReL1K> just sat at 0 for about 10 mins
[03:08] <savvas> happens :)
[03:08] <ReL1K> yepper :)
[03:08] <savvas> imagine some gazillions of replies :p
[03:08] <kadakas> for example: http://www.dicota.ee/en/products/accessories/Spot/
[03:08] <kadakas>  System requirements: Win 98, Win 98 SE, Win ME, Win 2000, Win XP
[03:08] <roe> what are the load implications for becoming a mirror?
[03:09] <LjL> roe: http://www.ubuntu.com/node/1282
[03:10] <eythian> kadakas: I expect that it requires no OS at all, just power through the USB port. I mean, noone supports win98 these days.
[03:10] <LjL> roe: http://www.ubuntu.com/node/1284 in particular
[03:10] <Starcraftmazter> savvas, something a bit weird is happening
[03:10] <kadakas> i'd like to turn it off at will
[03:10] <Starcraftmazter> after a reload of the reps, it claims there are 141 updates
[03:10] <savvas> Starcraftmazter: it should be downloading new packages from the new repositories
[03:10] <Starcraftmazter> however the versioning is the same
[03:10] <kadakas> eythian: but your logic is sound
[03:10] <kadakas> thank you
[03:11] <savvas> Starcraftmazter: maybe fixed versions
[03:11] <Starcraftmazter> the differences seem to be things like, "x.y.z.ubuntu2 to x.y.z.ubuntu3"
[03:11] <Starcraftmazter> what does that mean?
[03:11] <savvas> exactly, new/fixed stuff :)
[03:11] <penguincentral> hi
[03:11] <Starcraftmazter> :O
[03:11] <Shapeshifter> small question: I heard gutsy will include compiz-fusion. atm Im running feisty with amaranths repos for compiz-fusion. What do I have to do the day gutsy comes out to do a seamless update? Should I keep amaranths repos or should I disable them before upgrading to gutsy?
[03:11] <eythian> kadakas: I wouldn't be surprised if you can't even in windows
[03:11] <savvas> Starcraftmazter: maybe they made some packaging mistakes before and now they're fixed or.. better for that matter
[03:12] <nanonyme> indeed
[03:12] <Starcraftmazter> but why is it only on the UK repositories and not the Australian ones
[03:12] <nanonyme> .ubuntuX means changes by packagers, me thinks
[03:12] <gnomefreak> Shapeshifter: most likely nothing since amaranth is compiz maintainer in gutsy so he should have versioned everything correctly
[03:12] <savvas> Shapeshifter: since that wasn't in the official repos, you'll have to remove your compiz-fusion in order to work properly
[03:12] <Starcraftmazter> I...See
[03:13] <gnomefreak> nanonyme: yes those are our changes
[03:13] <savvas> Starcraftmazter: it takes a while for some repos to update their packages
[03:13] <Shapeshifter> savvas: remove it completely or just remove the repos?
[03:13] <roe> "can expect to use up to 400-500 megabits of bandwidth or more" last time I checked bandwidth is a rate not a scaler
[03:13] <gnomefreak> savvas: i trust that amaranth would have thought about upgrading
[03:13] <Starcraftmazter> savvas: I see, but so it's definately newer, and not country-specific or something like that
[03:14] <eythian> Starcraftmazter: I find the .nz repos to be behind often too, so I don't use them.
[03:14] <gnomefreak> all repos are slow
[03:14] <gnomefreak> all mirrors as well
[03:14] <Starcraftmazter> so which repos are the best?
[03:14] <savvas> Shapeshifter & gnomefreak: I've seen a dozen users, who had compiz-fusion, complaining while upgrading to beta, I hope they'll fix whatever caused that by then.
[03:14] <nanonyme> packaging is always the slowest part of software development
[03:15] <nanonyme> funnily
[03:15] <crdlb> savvas, are you sure they weren't using trevinho's repo?
[03:15] <eythian> Starcraftmazter: right now I'm using .de, because I can pull from that at 1Mb/s.
[03:15] <nanonyme> you'd think writing the actual code would be slower
[03:15] <savvas> crdlb: as I said no idea :) I did a format on my root partition
[03:15] <gnomefreak> savvas: i cant say what he did or not but knowing him as i do i would think he would make it simple upgrade however other extras that are in hte repos and not in gutsy will cause issues
[03:15] <savvas> clean and shiny :P
[03:15] <gnomefreak> crdlb: good thought ;)
[03:16] <Shapeshifter> gnomefreak: ah yeah, that's another question: will compiz-fusion from the official repos most likely lack some plugins or will it be the same as amaranths?
[03:16] <crdlb> Shapeshifter, it's the exact same packages
[03:16] <shockhead> hi, anyone else having lots of weird issues with the kdepim stuff in gutsy?
[03:16] <crdlb> as amaranth's repo
[03:17] <gnomefreak> Shapeshifter: dont know i havent used Amaranth's repo since beryl first came out
[03:17] <crdlb> just compiled for gutsy
[03:17] <Shapeshifter> crdlb: k thx, I'll just disable his repos then before upgrading as any updates will be included in the official repos from there on.
[03:17] <savvas> Shapeshifter: the new compiz has the a manager to configure the plugins manually, compizconfig-settings-manager
[03:17] <savvas> -the :P
[03:18] <Shapeshifter> sawas: yes well I'm already using it right now.
[03:18] <Shapeshifter> sawas: it's actually great ^^
[03:18] <savvas> then you're in the trend heh
[03:19] <MtJB> i am sorry to ask, but use what other mirrors?  is there a list?
[03:19] <Shapeshifter> sawas: I didn't know it was something "new". I used the beryl manager before and the tuxfamily repos I used before did also include the settings manager
[03:20] <savvas> Shapeshifter: new as in "in a new release" I believe it's the same thing if the repos are being updated properly
[03:22] <savvas> MtJB: system > admin > soft sources, the "download from" drop down menu contains some
[03:23] <savvas> MtJB: here's the list: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[03:23] <Shapeshifter> thanks for the infos everyone
[03:24] <bazhang> Hi!
[03:25] <aLeSD> hi all
[03:25] <aLeSD> I noticed that compiz has a memory leak ... or something like that
[03:25] <ikonia> what maeks you think that?
[03:25] <ikonia> makes
[03:26] <aLeSD> if I use it for a long time (7 - 8 hours) I use all my memory
[03:26] <ikonia> that doesn't mean its compiz or x
[03:26] <MtJB> savvas:  thank you, you are a gentleman and a scholar.
[03:26] <ikonia> do you have anything better to back that statment up ?
[03:26] <gnomefreak> i do i do i do
[03:26] <aLeSD> and I when I change to metacity a large part of the memory is free
[03:26] <savvas> MtJB: glad to be of assistance :)
[03:26] <MtJB> :)
[03:26] <aLeSD> ikonia: yes it means
[03:27] <aLeSD> cause the memory is occupated gradually
[03:27] <gnomefreak> 3d uses alot more memory on a general basis than 2d ;)
[03:27] <ikonia> gnomefreak swine
[03:27] <gnomefreak> ;)
[03:27] <savvas> oink oink
[03:27] <ikonia> aLeSD ok - that doesn't prove a memeory leak, just more memory in use and changing a window manager releases it
[03:27] <aLeSD> and when I return back to metacity more or less 150MB will be free
[03:28] <ikonia> aLeSD that doesn't suggest a memory leak
[03:28] <aLeSD> ikonia: ok :) u right . But it's a problem no ?
[03:28] <ikonia> no
[03:28] <gnomefreak> aLeSD: i will tell you something that was patches uploaded is causing memory useage to be higher but i will not say its compiz because im not running it
[03:28] <ikonia> unless you can provide a little more puresasive
[03:28] <aLeSD> ikonia: well ... let me see
[03:29] <aLeSD> maybe u right ... maybe the problem are in the use of the shared memory by the graphic card
[03:29] <aLeSD> my nvidia
[03:29] <aLeSD> someone has a nvidia here ?
[03:30] <aLeSD> and use it with compiz ?
[03:30] <savvas> present!
[03:30] <gnomefreak> aLeSD: i was thinking nvidia drivers but there is something else there i cant pinpoint
[03:30] <savvas> no problems though
[03:30] <gnomefreak> aLeSD: yesterday was the worst i ever saw it and it seems to have gone now.
[03:30] <aLeSD> gnomefreak: if I use metacity I don't have the problem
[03:30] <ikonia> I'll have a prod when I get home tonight see what I can see
[03:31] <eythian> aLeSD: have you checked the usage of the process?
[03:31] <aLeSD> eythian: yes it seams normal
[03:31] <eythian> aLeSD: running 'top' and pressing shift-M might help pin it down too
[03:32] <ikonia> top is unrelisable
[03:32] <eythian> ikonia: yeah, but it's a useful pointer to get an idea.
[03:32] <aLeSD> ikonia: why is unrelisable ?
[03:32] <aLeSD> however I change to compiz now
[03:33] <eythian> aLeSD: it shows things like shared memory and so on too, which can be misleading.
[03:33] <ikonia> aLeSD just not an accurate tool too "generic"
[03:33] <aLeSD> ok
[03:34] <aLeSD> I need a pair of hours now
[03:34] <aLeSD> I will report later
[03:34] <aLeSD> bye
[03:34] <Starcraftmazter> ok, having a problem installing an update now
[03:34] <Starcraftmazter> "E: /var/cache/apt/archives/cupsys_1.3.2-1ubuntu4_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/libcupsys2/CREDITS.txt', which is also in package libcupsys2"
[03:34] <Hobbsee> Starcraftmazter: /topic
[03:34] <aLeSD> Starcraftmazter: reload the repository
[03:34] <Starcraftmazter> oic
[03:35] <savvas> Starcraftmazter: if those don't work, sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/cupsys_1.3.2-1ubuntu4_i386.deb && sudo apt-get -f install && sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:35] <aLeSD> ubuntu 7.10 is faster than 7.04
[03:35] <aLeSD> u go in the opposite sense of windows
[03:35] <roe> aLeSD, is it 6 faster?
[03:35] <ikonia> thats a pretty "generic" statment
[03:36] <ikonia> "its faster"
[03:36] <roe> actually it would it "it's faster" :)
[03:36] <NightBird> roe: sure, it's .6 faster.... I don't know what unit it is.... but it could be .6 faster somewhere
[03:36] <roe> NightBird, libraries of congress?
[03:36] <NightBird> roe: what?
[03:37] <gnomefreak> savvas: please dont advise people to use --force-* without giving them the warning that its unsupported, dangerous ect. ect. ect.
[03:38] <gnomefreak> savvas: some end user not knowing the differnece may see it run it and mess something up badly
[03:38] <roe> NightBird, I guess your aren't a /. reader...
[03:40] <NightBird> roe: I am, but I haven't read it today yet
[03:40] <savvas> :\
[03:40] <savvas> ok
[03:42] <fulat2k> hi folks, any idea what does hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused for uid 1000.  that uid is my current user login.
[03:43] <fulat2k> btw, i'm trying to mount an ntfs partition
[03:44] <uga> !ntfs
[03:44] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[03:45] <fulat2k> uga: thx.  worked flawlessly in feisty though.
[03:45] <uga> fulat2k: have you set masks properly?=
[03:46] <uga> unfortunately I can't tell about gutsy+ntfs, since it's long time winders doesn't touch my boxes
[03:46] <fulat2k> uga: haven't touched anything... coz i thought it would work ootb for gutsy
[03:46] <fulat2k> :)
[03:46] <fulat2k> anyhow, guess i will have to do some manual configuring with ntfs-3g
[03:47] <uga> fulat2k: I suggest mkfs.reiserfs on that partition ;))
[03:47] <fulat2k> uga: i wish :)  but i can't fttb :P
[03:48] <uga> uhm... decode("fttb"); =)
[03:49] <uga> aLeSD: [15:35]  <aLeSD> ubuntu 7.10 is faster than 7.04
[03:49] <uga> aLeSD: are you sure it's not a placebo effect? =)
[03:50] <uga> they haven't even migrated to initng yet
[03:50] <uga> I'm pondering on testing it myself...
[03:50] <uga> worked like charm on gentoo
[03:50] <hjmills> ok, I read the topic this time and I don't see anything about the broken library problems I keep seeing - almost every gnome program seems to be effected (so far nautilus, gnome-session-manager, file-roller and evolution but I reckon I can crash more on demand) - does anybody have a fix for this or are other people just not feeling it?
[03:50] <aLeSD> uga: maybe
[03:50] <hjmills> uga, I used it back before dapper and it rocked but havn't touched it since then
[03:51] <uga> hjmills: I suggest you better ask in #ubuntu. People here don't use gnome apps, mostly
[03:51] <uga> ouch! sorry
[03:51] <uga> I thought I was in kubuntu ;)
[03:51] <uga> wrong chan :P
[03:51] <hjmills> uga, gonna say!!
[03:51] <uga> SORRY! =)
[03:51] <hjmills> uga, also they would hate me for asking there as its a problem with the devel release
[03:52] <uga> hjmills: sure, my bad. I thought I was in #kubuntu channel
[03:52] <hjmills> uga, tis ok, anybody else seeing the problems?
[03:53] <hjmills> I get it whenever something tries to access the filesystem (evolution when loading a diff email folder, nautilus when browsing, session-properties when I browse for a program to run etc)
[03:53] <uga> hjmills: did you get any backtrace? it might help the devels
[03:53] <hjmills> uga, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/file-roller/+bug/149399
[03:54] <hjmills> uga, all on there - thats for file roller but I have seen it all over the place today
[03:54] <uga> hjmills: I don't have permission to access that page, according to the thing
[03:54] <uga> hjmills: is it a security bug report?
[03:54] <hjmills> uga, no - just a standard bug report
[03:54] <uga> weird
[03:55] <uga> "Not allowed here Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page.  You are logged in as uga."
[03:56] <hjmills> uga, looks like it is in libxml2 which was upgraded this morning
[03:56] <Crozar> gnomefreak: on my friends computer it works
[03:57] <holden> hi. is anyone using xchat 0.18? when I run xchat-gnome I get: "XChat CRITICAL *** default event text failed to build! Aborted (core dumped)"
[03:57] <bazhang> hi Crozar
[03:57] <Crozar> gnomefreak: so my laptop Burn's anything iso and data and still it cant read
[03:57] <Crozar> bazhang: hey .
[03:57] <Crozar> bazhang: do you need help?
[03:58] <hjmills> who do I need to contact to change the package a bug effects?
[03:59] <bazhang> Crozar: no, just saying hi.
[04:01] <hjmills> uga, is this better: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxml2/+bug/149399
[04:01] <Crozar> WEIRD PROBLEM! my cd - r / rw ( DRIVE ) cant read what was burned.     [ 1stly i burned a cd either way ( music / data/ iso ) all have a completed successful burning process but after the eject i check for file integrity and my drive keeps flashes on and off making a sound prrrrrrrr tik tik tiktiktik tik tik prrrrr again adn again  and then no media mounted , its like im using windows 3.1 on next generation cd's :/ any help please
[04:01] <hjmills> uga, no ubotu tells me its not
[04:01] <uga> hjmills: I can't access it
[04:01] <hjmills> uga, how odd...
[04:01] <uga> they know I code kde ;)
[04:01] <uga> :P
[04:03] <hjmills> uga lol
[04:04] <uga> hjmills: I can access my own bug reports though
[04:04] <hjmills> uga, I'm wondering if that url is just for me somehow
[04:05] <uga> hjmills: that can happen if you set the bug to be hidden. Default for security bugs
[04:05] <hjmills> uga, I dont think its a security bug
[04:06] <uga> you're asked about that when reporting it
[04:06] <uga> ie, if it is, or if it's not
[04:06] <AboSamoor> network manager applet can't work properly, the error "no network devices have been found" ?!!!
[04:06] <bodzasfanta> hi
[04:07] <hjmills> AboSamoor, you need to install the drivers for your network card - look at the output from lspci to find info about the card
[04:07] <bodzasfanta> my ntfs harddrive do not automount. why?
[04:07] <bodzasfanta> partition
[04:07] <hjmills> uga, unless the tracking system decided it was security related
[04:07] <bodzasfanta> in 7.04 it was
[04:08] <hjmills> bodzasfanta, because the stable ntfs drivers are read only and writing support is improving fast but still not stable
[04:08] <AboSamoor> hjmills 00:09.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
[04:08] <hjmills> bodzasfanta, i think the ubuntu guide tells you how to sort it
[04:08] <bodzasfanta> yes i know
[04:09] <bodzasfanta> but in 7.04 i just installed ntfs g3
[04:09] <bodzasfanta> and everything was okay
[04:09] <bodzasfanta> and i read somewhere that ntfs g3
[04:10] <hjmills> AboSamoor, you dual booting?
[04:10] <bodzasfanta> now part of the gutsy
[04:10] <aLeSD> is it possible that something that occupate memory isn't included in top output ?
[04:10] <AboSamoor> hjmills NO
[04:10] <bodzasfanta> its installed automatically
[04:10] <bodzasfanta> or not?
[04:10] <aLeSD> I mean the thing that occupate my memory isn't a process ... or isn't recognized by top
[04:11] <hjmills> bodzasfanta, then maybe you need to configure it - Ubuntu doesnt mount every partition automatically - I personally don't want my win xp partition mounted in Ubuntu
[04:11] <bodzasfanta> i see
[04:11] <hjmills> aLeSD, afaik thats not possible - it could be that you dont have permission to see the process or that you are not sorting by memory usage
[04:11] <bodzasfanta> hjmills, thanks!
[04:12] <aLeSD> hjmills: how to sort by memory ?
[04:12] <hjmills> aLeSD, use > and < to change the sort column
[04:13] <hjmills> aLeSD, I also recommend htop as a nicer alternative to top
[04:14] <hjmills> bodzasfanta, sure thing - as I said - ubuntu guide has the instructions
[04:16] <Pici> <3 htop
[04:16] <Aishiko> hi, after my last set of patches gusty became unstable, it locks up and no input can be done, I just used the live CD to unmount and scan/repair all the filesystems attached.
[04:16] <aLeSD> hjmills: but top see the ram used by the graphic card ?
[04:17] <aLeSD> I mean not the video ram
[04:17] <aLeSD> but the shared ram
[04:17] <Aishiko> I'd like to know if there is anything else I can do to repair the installation?  ANy help, suggestions, experience is greatly appreicated.
[04:17] <AboSamoor> what about the HAL, i got at the startup this message "HAL can not start [internal error] " ?
[04:17] <hjmills> aLeSD, doubt it - I think that is totally seperate and is handled by the bios so the OS (ubuntu) doesnt even see it
[04:17] <hjmills> AboSamoor, that could be to blame for no network support if it worked in the past
[04:18] <hjmills> Aishiko, when does it crash, have you submitted a bug report on it and what other info can you give us?
[04:19] <aLeSD> hjmills: I think there is a problem with the nvidia driver then
[04:19] <aLeSD> and the use of the shared memory
[04:20] <AboSamoor> hjmills i upgraded from feisty , and i can access the internet and IRC but the problem,the applet for network manager gives an error and HAL don't startup
[04:20] <aLeSD> cause no process occupates more memory than usual
[04:21] <hjmills> aLeSD, how come?
[04:21] <Aishiko> hjmills, umm no bug report as of yet because I have no other details then it would crash about 10-20 minutes after boot up and log in, I let the computer sit off for hours before rebooting, um lets see I tried the 2 other kernels and the same problem cropped up, I mean I'm not sure what is/was causing it
[04:21] <aLeSD> hjmills: give me a pair of hours more
[04:21] <aLeSD> to have some checks
[04:22] <hjmills> AboSamoor, oh, sorry, my bad - network manager depends on hal to work - fix hal and you are sorted - see if you can find a log file for hal or info about hal in the system log
[04:23] <hjmills> Aishiko, ok, what were you doing when it crashed and if you boot and login then leave it doing nothing does it still crash?
[04:23] <hjmills> aLeSD, ok, sure
[04:24] <Aishiko> hjmills: I was running ktorrent and then I tried not running it and it still happened.
[04:24] <Alp`> that upgrade messed up my system :(
[04:24] <Dr_willis> Alp`,  hearing that from several people today.
[04:24] <Dr_willis> I think i will wait a few days to upgrade next.
[04:24] <Alp`> Dr_willis: yeah, wait for the final
[04:24] <Alp`> compiz-fusion seems to be an older version now
[04:25] <Alp`> and if its load my screen turns black for 3 seconds
[04:25] <Alp`> *loading
[04:25] <Aishiko> but I have a good feeling that I might have fixed it by running a fsck on everything, first time I'd booted up and got my wallpaper and not an orange screen.
[04:25] <TunaTom> It has been said that in edgy+2, the sysv init scripts should be deprecated.
[04:25] <Dr_willis> Of course in a few days that HalfLifeOrangeBox edition will be out...  so everyone will be playing HL2:TF  then...
[04:25] <TunaTom> Still, I see no new upstart stuff popping up in /etc/event.d
[04:25] <TunaTom> I understand that deprecating stuff won't make new stuff magically appear,
[04:25] <TunaTom> but since I didn't see any news on that topic, I was wondering if
[04:25] <TunaTom> there was a plan in proactively replacing the old scripts
[04:26] <hjmills> Alp`, is it crashing when something accesses a folder? if so it is a bug in libxml and a fix is in the works
[04:26] <Alp`> hjmills: didnt realize a crash so far
[04:26] <Alp`> my sound is gone too
[04:27] <Alp`> never touch a running system....
[04:27] <Dr_willis> the definition of 'beta software' :)
[04:29] <Alp`> heard from many ppl that its good... my fault
[04:29] <danar> any issues with the latest updates?
[04:30] <hjmills> Aishiko, oh ok, odd - I don't know if kde apps use libxml2 much but that has known problems atm
[04:30] <savvas> Alp`: what upgrade messed it up?
[04:30] <Alp`> savvas: feisty -> gutsy
[04:30] <hjmills> Alp`, never touch a running system sounds like a mantra for no fun
[04:30] <Alp`> hjmills: well :D then lets have some fun... maybe you can help me to fix some things
[04:31] <Aishiko> hjmills: ahh OK, but would that cause a crash if nothing is running?
[04:31] <rothchild> if it ain't broke fix it 'till it is ;-)
[04:31] <hjmills> Alp`, sounds fun
[04:31] <hjmills> Aishiko, if nothing is running the computer is off, if something is running the computer can crash!
[04:32] <Alp`> well ok, lets begin with nvidia drivers. they're working but i dont know if i have the right one installed. atm its nvidia-glx-new (geforce 8800 gts), but everytime when i start compiz i get a 3-second-blank-screen
[04:32] <hjmills> Alp`, does compiz come up after that?
[04:32] <Aishiko> hjmills: well yeah, but I meant no user actived applications just he basics on boot up running :P
[04:32] <Alp`> you mean, starting compiz comes after starting the driver? or what?
[04:33] <hjmills> Alp`, after that 3 second blank does it continue and work okay?
[04:33] <Alp`> ah ok sry :) yes it works after that
[04:34] <Aishiko> hmmm my windows are funky now... and a I have the size of my files on my desktop under neath the names that's never happened before
[04:34] <hjmills> Alp`, I get a similar delay - did you get any delay before the update?
[04:35] <Alp`> hjmills: nope, thats a completly new effect. maybe i had different drivers before... well i'm pretty sure i did. because i used envy to install nvidia drivers (restricted ones i guess)
[04:36] <hjmills> oh ok - I'm not sure on that one - is the delay causing problems? Probably best to wait till envy makes some drivers for gutsy when gutsy goes stable
[04:36] <AboSamoor> hjmills is there any command the status for network or the HAL ?
[04:38] <hjmills> uga, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/149399 that one work?
[04:38] <kadakas> after todays upgrades gdm wont start
[04:39] <kadakas> xorg.conf seems to be messed up
[04:39] <hjmills> AboSamoor, sudo /etc/init.d/hal restart maybe?
[04:39] <kadakas> after 1 hour of screwing around i finally managed to get 800x600
[04:39] <uga> hjmills: neither
[04:39] <KevlarSoul> Is there a problem with GG beta not working with 8800 GTX ????
[04:40] <hjmills> kadakas, can you restore xorg.conf from a backup, fix it manually or pastebin the logfile (in /var/log/)
[04:40] <KevlarSoul> I boot to CD and click Install, and get a black screen
[04:40] <hjmills> uga, oh well, muchos oddos
[04:40] <kadakas> i cant use a backup because the old ones dont work either (they worked before)
[04:40] <kadakas> i dont know what to fix
[04:40] <kadakas> ill paste both to pastebin
[04:40] <kadakas> sec..
[04:41] <Dr_willis> Gutsy Install worked with my 8800GTSxxx
[04:41] <Aishiko> I think it's fixed, looks like it just needed an fsck on all the drives
[04:42] <Dr_willis> I did have to install the nvidia drivers from the repos (using restircted-manager tool) after i installed.
[04:42] <Dr_willis> for it to work properly however.
[04:45] <hjmills> Aishiko, oh good - nice one
[04:45] <AboSamoor> hjmills nothing changed after running   sudo /etc/init.d/hal restart :(
[04:45] <abonilla> Hi, how safe is it to upgrade to gutsy?
[04:45] <Aishiko> hjmills: yeah I was merely getting Ideas on other things I could do if it still crashes
[04:45] <AboSamoor> abonilla till now it's wasting for time
[04:46] <hjmills> AboSamoor, have a look at the log files in /var/log
[04:46] <abonilla> AboSamoor: how is that 15 days before release?
[04:47] <Aishiko> abonilla: I've been running it for over a month and my only big issue was I needed to fsck everythign do to some unstablity after the last patches it seems fine now but I have a few minor glitches (missing hte set of control in hte upper right)
[04:47] <kadakas> hjmills: heres my current xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/f15ce39e6
[04:47] <kadakas> and the newest xorg log named Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/f3bf5103a
[04:47] <hjmills> AboSamoor, in particular at system, messages, user and daemon
[04:47] <Alp`> Dr_willis: how does the restricted manager work?
[04:47] <AboSamoor> abonilla , i upgraded from feisty dbus and hal services are unstable i lost the scanner detection and many other crashes :(
[04:47] <hjmills> kadakas, what card you got?
[04:48] <kadakas> Nvidia Geforce Go 7
[04:48] <Dr_willis> Alp`,  run it.. click on it.. it looks around.. ya check what to install.. it does it. :)
[04:48] <hjmills> kadakas, you cant get good res on vesa - it is a failsafe driver
[04:48] <abonilla> AboSamoor: ok
[04:48] <Dr_willis> It even grabbed the wireless firmware for my laptop
[04:48] <hjmills> kadakas, install nvidia-glx and run nvidia-glx-config enable as root - that should fix it
[04:49] <Alp`> Dr_willis: it says: nvidia graphics card -> in use (cannot make anything there but deactivating the driver)
[04:49] <Dr_willis> could be its allredy got it.
[04:49] <Alp`> Dr_willis: should i deactivate and activate again?
[04:49] <KevlarSoul> Dr_willis DID you use 64 bit?
[04:49] <Dr_willis> see what 'driver' is listed in the xorg.conf
[04:49] <Dr_willis> i do NOT use 64bit.
[04:49] <Alp`> Dr_willis: its nvidia
[04:50] <Dr_willis> Alp`,  then it seems youa re usign the 'nvidia' driver. :) not the 'nv' one.
[04:50] <kadakas> hjmills: thx, ill give it a shot :)
[04:50] <Alp`> yep
[04:50] <Dr_willis> I always remove the 'nologo' line. I want to see the nvidia logo when X starts up. It tells me that yes.. its working.
[04:51] <Alp`> heh, yeah. restart
[04:51] <bazhang> hi Alp`
[04:51] <Alp`> hey bazhang brb
[04:59] <rustlerharv> so i tried to upgrade to gutsy and now im getting a blue screen whenever i try to login
[04:59] <rustlerharv> any ideas
[05:01] <savvas> rustlerharv: a blue screen saying about X.org ?
[05:02] <bazhang> rustlerharv: did you first get into the liveCD with no problems?
[05:02] <zerwas> Hi
[05:02] <bazhang> Hi zerwas
[05:02] <zerwas> Is a Gutsy wallpaper already defined?
[05:02] <macogw> wow found a very annoying bug
[05:02] <macogw> zerwas: yes and it's pretty like chocolate frosting on a cupcake
[05:02] <bazhang> macogw: what?
[05:03] <macogw> go into open office
[05:03] <macogw> click on a frame
[05:03] <macogw> and go to its properties
[05:03] <macogw> click the macro tab
[05:03] <zerwas> macogw, oh so you mean the very dark one that was in Tribe 5 also
[05:04] <bazhang> macogw: wow, I see what you mean.  but thats o.o, right?
[05:04] <macogw> it tells you that the JRE is defective and to change it.  there's an OK button, but you don't get a chance to change it because you can't click elsewhere while the error is up and it comes back immediately
[05:04] <rustlerharv> the blue screen is blank and i upgraded from fiesty
[05:04] <macogw> yeah that's OOo
[05:04] <macogw> zerwas: im glad there's finally a dark one by default
[05:04] <bazhang> rustlerharv: you did an upgrade from the package manager, or through a fresh install?
[05:04] <rustlerharv> through apt-get
[05:05] <bazhang> which card and driver?
[05:05] <rustlerharv> ?
[05:06] <bazhang> rustlerharv: which video card?
[05:06] <rustlerharv> nvidia
[05:06] <rustlerharv> using nvidia;'s driver
[05:07] <rustlerharv> unfortenetly im not by the computer in trouble
[05:07] <frank81> I haven't been able to have dual screens and have compiz work at the same time. (Ubuntu with Nvidia FX5500) Anyone has this working?
[05:07] <zerwas> macogw, it looks a bit like the one from warty. the colours i mean..
[05:08] <rustlerharv> compiz gave me issues
[05:08] <macogw> zerwas: it actually still has warty's name, but since i used warty's background as the background on the mac i was using over the summer, i *know* it's different
[05:08] <macogw> zerwas: that one, according to my cousin/boss, looks like chocolate mousse
[05:08] <zerwas> yep. i somehow hoped this would make it into gutsy https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Gutsy/Wallpaper
[05:09] <zerwas> macogw, hehe you are right with that
[05:10] <Dr_willis> frank81,  its working here. (or it was yesterday) :) not sure about the updates.
[05:10] <Dr_willis> frank81,  8800gtsxxx card.
[05:11] <Dr_willis> I installed, enbled the nvidia drivers with the restircted manager, then ran the nvidia-config tool. THEN i  restarted X. (it needed  a restart to work propeerly)
[05:11] <Dr_willis> Had wobbly windows on both monitors. :)
[05:12] <Starcraftmazter> those 141 fixed a hella lots bugs
[05:12] <Starcraftmazter> howeverrr compiz and workspaces still aren't integrated=/
[05:12] <frank81> Dr_willis: do you have xinerama enabled? I didn't touch the nvidia-config tool (yet). Just the X configuration dialgo
[05:12] <Starcraftmazter> rotation of cube, doesnt seem to change workspace
[05:12] <rustlerharv> nvidia-config is garbage
[05:13] <Dr_willis> frank81,  xinerama is NOT comaptiable with compiz
[05:13] <rustlerharv> it never did do what i told it to do
[05:13] <Dr_willis> The X config dialog would NOt enable my 2nd monitor. it dident even see it.
[05:13] <rustlerharv> i just went in and changed the x config
[05:13] <Dr_willis> http://pastebin.ca/726840         is my xorg.conf
[05:14] <Dr_willis> I updated last night.. now am afraid to reboot.. :) heh heh
[05:14] <Aishiko_> OK it took it longer to crash then last time and the windows are still messed up :(
[05:14] <savvas> Starcraftmazter: you need the compiz manager package: http://medigeek.blogspot.com/2007/09/ubuntu-unveil-real-power-of-compiz.html
[05:14] <Starcraftmazter> I've already got it ;)
[05:15] <macogw> Starcraftmazter: ps -ef | grep compiz
[05:15] <bazhang> compizconfig settings manager
[05:15] <savvas>  well... you have the shortcut keys there
[05:15] <macogw> Starcraftmazter: is "gconf" one of the options listed with it?
[05:15] <macogw> if it is, it might be blocking the ccsm settings.  if you start it with just ccp, they'll work
[05:15] <bazhang> alt + f2 compiz --replace &
[05:15] <Starcraftmazter> doesn't look like it
[05:15] <macogw> ok
[05:15] <macogw> is ccp showing?
[05:16] <Starcraftmazter> yes
[05:16] <Starcraftmazter> ps -ef | grep compiz
[05:16] <Starcraftmazter> oop[s
[05:16] <macogw> k then idk
[05:16] <Starcraftmazter> :D
[05:16] <Starcraftmazter> one of these days ill figure it out
[05:16] <frank81> Dr_willis: ok. hmm I could enable the 2nd monitor with the x config dialog. This dialog has no option for xinerama. But when I go to the nvidia config menu, I see that xinerama WAS enabled.
[05:17] <Dr_willis> The x config dialiog did not see my 2nd monitor at all. so i dont use it..  i only used that nvidia config tool.
[05:17] <Dr_willis> ption         "Xinerama" "0"    - Xinerama is OFF. i belive. in my xorg.conf
[05:18] <rustlerharv> Dr_willis: did it not list it as a monitor on the left
[05:18] <rustlerharv> on my computer it kept putting my second monitor behind the first one
[05:18] <Dr_willis> rustlerharv,  the X config tool. showed One monitor. thats it..  the nvidia config tool showed both of them. I enabled the 2nd one. which was allready in the proper position.
[05:19] <rustlerharv> k
[05:19] <Dr_willis> the apply (or whatever button) then turned it on (with no ned to restart X) but the window manager was still confused. I had to do a total 'restart of X' for the programs to figure it out.
[05:19] <macogw> bazhang: should probably ask someone using an rpm-based distro if that bug's in their OOo
[05:19] <rustlerharv> the config tool just gave me huge problems
[05:19] <Dr_willis> even then the gnome and kde panels showed up on the wrong monitor by default. Had to drag them over.
[05:19] <macogw> bazhang: i say rpm because it could have been from a debian patch
[05:20] <bazhang> macogw: ok; my bad.
[05:20] <rustlerharv> ya it kept making my number 2 monitor my number 1
[05:21] <macogw> bazhang: well when you consider that each distro tends to fiddle with things, i think it's best to ask someone using a different distro. there could be debian and ubuntu patches messing with it.
[05:21] <Aishiko> dpkg --configure -a I got this trying to run sypatic is this a major error?
[05:21] <Dr_willis> part of this is how the nvidia cards default  i belive. i have older cards that work differently. :(
[05:21] <Dr_willis> a least now i got GDM and the console on the proper monitor
[05:22] <Dr_willis> I got a whole 2nd monitor with.. conky running onit.. :) thats about it . heh.
[05:22] <bazhang> macogw: I'll go over to #Suse; first have to change my nick to MS-SUSE though.
[05:22] <Instabin> oh no i just did an update that requires a restart... wish me luck
[05:22] <Aishiko> it was saying to run that command manually
[05:22] <macogw> bazhang: hhaha ok
[05:22] <Dr_willis> i need to restart also.. bbl
[05:23] <Instabin> bazhang: That is going to be Microsofts next os after they figure out that vista has faild
[05:23] <bazhang> Instabin: hahahha
[05:24] <Aishiko> OK it said I had errors in scrollkeeper, nautilus-data, synapatic, gnome-panel, gonme-panel-data, and gnome-app-install
[05:24] <bazhang> macogw: what would be a good way to summarize the bug? Macro bug in OO excel?
[05:24] <macogw> bazhang: that was in writer
[05:24] <Aishiko> sounds like I need to reinstall those huh?
[05:24] <Instabin> bazhang: it will also have backwards compatibility b/c of wine
[05:24] <bazhang> macogw: macro bug in OO?
[05:25] <bazhang> Instabin: and inter-operability...
[05:25] <Instabin> lol
[05:25] <macogw> bazhang: "the macro tab in "properties" on elements brings up a stream of JRE errors on ubuntu.  can someone check if this happens on suse as well?"
[05:25] <macogw> bazhang: point out that its 2.3
[05:26] <bazhang> macogw: okey dokey!
[05:26] <macogw> bazhang: know what's funny?  it's complaining because i use *real* Sun Java
[05:26] <macogw> it said im using a broken Java
[05:27] <Instabin> lol
[05:27] <macogw> but i think it might be because OOo is built against GCJ
[05:27] <bazhang> macogw: hahaha
[05:27] <Aishiko> OK I'm reinstalling those errored packages/apps
[05:28] <bazhang> opensuse.org is down!
[05:29] <macogw> i would, however, like it if there was a way to put in a macro that would automagically take any text marked "Times New Roman" and convert it to Liberation Serif, and "Arial" to Liberation Sans because I don't have TNR or Arial installed and that results in it trying to approximate from info inside the .doc, and the formatting gets messed up.  turning it into the liberation fonts fixes all the layout stuff
[05:30] <macogw> i intentionally removed msttcorefonts
[05:30] <macogw> i'm trying to get rid of non-free things when i can
[05:30] <macogw> when i get a new digital audio player that i can rockbox, i'm getting rid of the mp3 codecs
[05:30] <bazhang> macogw: music in .ogg?
[05:31] <macogw> my current player is un-rockbox-able :(
[05:31] <macogw> i have my music ripped to both
[05:31] <macogw> i only play the oggs on my computer.  the mp3's are just for the mp3 player :P
[05:31] <bazhang> cool.
[05:32] <bazhang> no answer yet at #suse
[05:32] <bazhang> macogw: from the suse mod: What do you mean with "elements" - say where you click & I'try it here
[05:32] <bazhang> properties?
[05:33] <macogw> bazhang: make a frame and go to its properties
[05:33] <macogw> bazhang: ill check it might happen with tables and other stuff too
[05:33] <bazhang> macogw: cool
[05:34] <macogw> oh table doesnt have a macro option
[05:35] <macogw> ok idk what all has macro options, but i found it on a frame
[05:35] <bazhang> macogw: from the suse guy:  I made a frame, double clicked on it and then choose the Makro tab - works fine here
[05:35] <bazhang> macogw: so you were right.
[05:36] <macogw> bazhang: ask if he has sun or gcj java set in his options
[05:37] <bazhang> macogw: checking...
[05:38] <bazhang> macogw: from the suse guy: Sun 1.5 - Don't use gcj for OO, there where problems before
[05:40] <macogw> bazhang: ok. i'm using sun 1.6.  which are you using?
[05:42] <Aishiko> reinstalling those packages and a reboot and things look good
[05:45] <Aishiko> nautilus and gnome packages giving back errors, I'm not sure but I think those could cause the unstablity
[05:51] <Almindor> ah cool fixed cupsys is on the way, good :)
[05:52] <macogw> er...fixed cupsys went through last night around 11
[05:54] <macogw> bazhang: still around??
[06:00] <Alp`> how can i change the login screen? i dont mean the wallpaper. first i want a new look... maybe the one from feisty, the new login manager if gutsy looks terrible
[06:00] <Alp`> and the resolution is too less too.. i want 1600x1200 like my desktop res
[06:12] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. had 8 updates in the time it took me to reboot and log back in.. and now it wants a reboot again. heh.
[06:12] <Dr_willis> The updated dident even sem tobe for anything that needed a reboot either.
[06:20] <delight> I got this ongoing error for about 2 weeks and I'm wondering if other ppl gut it too. On my gutsy I got kde (kubuntu-desktop) additional installed but the setting menus remain empty ... kcontrol throws me a warning:kcontrol: WARNING: No K menu group with X-KDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/
[06:21] <delight> so all kde-settings dialogs either don't appear or remain empty
[06:21] <delight> anybody else who got similiar problems ?
[06:23] <Creationist> Running Kubuntu Gutsy... for some reason, WHen I try to use Dolphin to browse to Storage Media it just hangs there... doesn't display anything (the status bar for "Loading directory" is stuck at 0%)
[06:24] <Creationist> Also, nothing is being auto-mounted anymore.
[06:27] <Creationist> hmm.... same problem after a complete restart.
[06:27] <Creationist> I haven't installed any system packages that should have affected this.
[06:27] <Creationist> lol and now Amarok has decided to commit suicide and not return too.  Man, and they expect Gutsy to be stable this month?
[06:28] <Creationist> grr
[06:29] <Dr_willis> They could always delay it.
[06:29] <Creationist> usser: You've helped me before.  Any idea why I can't mount any devices and Dolphin just hangs when trying to browse to Storage Media?
[06:29] <Hobbsee> perfectly stable here...
[06:29] <Hobbsee> config thing?
[06:29] <Creationist> Hobbsee: I don't know... this same exact problem has come and gone before.
[06:29] <Creationist> Hobbsee: With or without installing new software.  Last time just restarting my computer fixed it, but not this time.
[06:29] <usser> Creationist did u try running dolphin from console any particular error messages that it gives?
[06:30] <Dr_willis> can konqueror get to the storage media place?
[06:30] <Creationist> usser: Throws a few of these errors: kio (KMimeType): WARNING: KServiceType::offers : servicetype system not found
[06:30] <Dr_willis> is it tryign to get to media:// ? or system://media, or somewhere else?
[06:31] <Creationist> Dr_willis: No, Konqueror shows 0 files.
[06:31] <Eq|work> this with an external drive? usb/firewire type thing?
[06:31] <Creationist> Dr_willis: Dolphin goes to system:/media/    Konq goes to media:/
[06:31] <usser> Creationist what exactly doesnt it mount like a cd?
[06:32] <Creationist> usser: I can't mount CDs either.
[06:32] <savvas> 4~/quit
[06:32] <savvas> oops
[06:32] <penguin42> Has anyone else seen soundjuicer not pop up on an audio cd insert? It did for the first CD I ripped but when I put the next one in it didn't
[06:32] <Creationist> Right now I'm trying to mount my digital camcorder... but nothing will mount.
[06:32] <[Ramy] > CD ROM icon does not appear and i can't access my CDs , how i can solve that ?
[06:32] <Eq|work> Creationist : manually, or using automounter
[06:32] <Eq|work> hm.. have you just updated?
[06:32] <Creationist> Eq|work: Just the automounter.  It worked yesterday and nothing has changed
[06:33] <usser> Creationist well i really have no idea, i'd try to manually mount things
[06:33] <Eq|work> can you mount it manually?
[06:33] <Eq|work> penguin42 : they're entirely different (and unrelated) apps...
[06:34] <Eq|work> and one shouldn't expect the other to be installed..
[06:34] <Creationist> How do I find out what device it is in /dev?  dmesg shows it connecting, but doesn't mention a device name.
[06:34] <Eq|work> no device name at all? that'd be bad.
[06:34] <Eq|work> have you done any updates since yesterday?
[06:34] <Eq|work> at all
[06:34] <Creationist> Eq|work: usb 5-2.2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8
[06:35] <Creationist> Eq|work: Not that I remember, no.  I think the last time I ran updates was yesterday morning.
[06:35] <penguin42> Eq|work: But the effect is that on the default install they don't work together nicely; even though Soundjuicer is set up as the default behaviour on insert of an audio CD
[06:35] <Eq|work> i fail to see how one being the default would (or should) affect the other
[06:35] <penguin42> Eq|work: Because the system as a whole should work nicely not just individual apps
[06:35] <Eq|work> if you're running rhythymbox, i also fail to see why it should talk to soundjuicer
[06:36] <Eq|work> in what way are they not working together nicely?
[06:36] <Eq|work> unless they're breaking each other, i fail to see any issue
[06:37] <dv____> hello,
[06:37] <RichW> cupsys seems to conflict with libcupsys2
[06:37] <RichW> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/cupsys_1.3.2-1ubuntu4_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/libcupsys2/CREDITS.txt', which is also in package libcupsys2
[06:37] <Pici> RichW: See the topic
[06:37] <dv____> I have a slight problem here, setting up a PC for my sis,
[06:37] <dv____> but its oct 5th, and gutsy is out on oct 13th
[06:37] <RichW> tnx
[06:37] <dv____> I am thinking about installing the gutsy beta,
[06:37] <dv____> and apt-get update it once gutsy final is out
[06:38] <dv____> however, how safe is this? can I upgrade without problems from beta to release?
[06:38] <Pici> 18th
[06:38] <Creationist> dv____: Better than installing it twice.. but be warned Gutsy is far from stable.
[06:38] <RichW> dv____: please use the gui updater.. its more intelligent
[06:38] <Dr_willis> i always forget about the GUI updater..
[06:38] <Dr_willis> whats it called..
[06:38] <dv____> synaptic?
[06:38] <RichW> Update Manager
[06:38] <Creationist> Dr_willis: KHeadache?
[06:38] <penguin42> Eq|work: OK where should I start; 1) When you rip a CD with soundjuicer the library doesn't update properly in rhythymbox if you put it on watch for new files; 2) When you put in a new CD where there are multiple possible names found in the CD database you sometimes get dialogues from both of them popping up at about the same time (both of them having separately queried what CD it is); 3) The ripping mechanism in Rhythymbox is pretty minimal and would
[06:38] <penguin42>  probably be better using synaptic if available
[06:39] <penguin42> synaptic?
[06:39] <penguin42> soundjuicer
[06:39] <Creationist> grr... I need these videos off my camera.  worked two days ago...
[06:39] <Dr_willis> Creationist,  heh. boot live cd. copy files over.. reboot to system
[06:40] <Eq|work> penguin42 : they're unconnected projects, so 3) wll never happen. 2) - don't have both running. close rhythymbox or disable it's watching of cd's. 1) raise a bug upstream against rhythymbox once you determine it isn't just how you're using it
[06:40] <Dr_willis> been doing that a bit too much lately with Gutsy. :)
[06:40] <Eq|work> in what way does it not update the library properly?
[06:40] <dv____> ok,
[06:40] <Creationist> Dr_willis: lol well that's intuitive ;)
[06:40] <Creationist> But I guess I'll do what I must since I got too impatient and installed the Beta ;)
[06:40] <Dr_willis> Creationist,  thats the price we pay for using Beta software. :)
[06:41] <dv____> the question is: can there be changes/bugfixes/etc. from beta to release that cannot be inserted in the package dist upgrade process?
[06:41] <penguin42> Eq|work: It's not reasonable to have to want to stop your player to rip a new CD!
[06:41] <dv____> some deep architecture changes or something like that
[06:41] <Dr_willis> dv____,  shouldnet be any problem. thats normally how I do my installs on new releases.
[06:41] <dv____> ok
[06:41] <Creationist> alrighty... I'll do that.  However, when I boot the LiveCD, will I have write permissions to my home folder?
[06:41] <Eq|work> penguin42 : it is if you have your player set to watch for media changes in all removable devices.
[06:41] <Dr_willis> of course right NOW at this time.. thers all tehse little pakcage update issues going on.
[06:41] <penguin42> Eq|work: It's the default ubuntu setup
[06:42] <Dr_willis> so if it works. it might be best to not upgrade every day.. but wait  and upgrade like right after it gets released
[06:42] <Eq|work> i can't agree that the issue is ubuntu specific or even related to ubuntu however
[06:42] <VousDeux> whoa...no updates...what's going on?
[06:42] <Eq|work> just because it SUPPLIES multiple audioplayers/rippers doesn't mean you should use them all
[06:42] <savvas> can someone confirm this: while running gnome-terminal, hit F11 to use the terminal in fullscreen (F11 takes you back). Do you get a fullscreen, but with no output? as in.. completely empty?
[06:42] <Dr_willis> VousDeux,  i reboot and get more udates. :)
[06:43] <Dr_willis> savvas,  it works fine here.
[06:43] <Creationist> Oh great, I didn't label my Kubuntu LiveCD... and without the ability to MOUNT the cd... I have no idea which one it is ;)
[06:43] <penguin42> Eq|work: As for the file import; I think there is a race where as soundjuicer rips a file to the library and rhtythymbox (if set to watch for new files) spots it before it is finished
[06:43] <VousDeux> I see...the topic explains it.
[06:43] <Dr_willis> savvas,  try disabling compiz - see if it works then.
[06:43] <savvas> Dr_willis: do you use compiz?
[06:43] <frank81> why doesn't kubuntu-dektop depend on konversation and kopete etc. I installed the gustu ubuntu beta the installed kubuntu-desktop but some applications are still missing.
[06:43] <savvas> heh
[06:43] <Eq|work> penguin42 : again, down to your usage pattern
[06:43] <Dr_willis> savvas,  ive found a lot of little issues with compiz
[06:43] <penguin42> Eq|work: Is my usage pattern unusual?
[06:43] <Eq|work> for reference, with similar apps you would get the exact same issues in windows
[06:43] <Creationist> Dr_willis: That's a question I've had... how DO I disable Compiz?   Running kwin --replace loses my window decorations.
[06:43] <Eq|work> frankly, yes.
[06:43] <penguin42> it is why?
[06:44] <savvas> aye, it fixes it
[06:44] <Dr_willis> Creationist,  i dont use compiz under kde sorry. :) under gnome - thers a button under desktop properties..
[06:44] <Creationist> Dr_willis: Yeah, I know there is in gnome...
[06:44] <Eq|work> because you've not changed the options in several of the apps to avoid the issues. like telling rhythymbox to not look for changes with cd media
[06:44] <Dr_willis> Creationist,  you are running gnome-terminl under KDE?
[06:44] <Eq|work> or ripping to a location outside of the file monitoring
[06:44] <Creationist> Dr_willis: No, I run konsole.
[06:45] <Dr_willis> Try that Yakuake yet? :)
[06:45] <Dr_willis> or whatever its called.
[06:45] <Eq|work> has better multi-tab support
[06:45] <penguin42> Eq|work: It's the default setup that Ubuntu gives a user that installs
[06:45] <Dr_willis> !find yakuake
[06:45] <ubotu> Found: yakuake
[06:45] <Eq|work> yes
[06:45] <Eq|work> designed for you to use one at a time
[06:45] <Eq|work> or one or the other
[06:45] <penguin42> No!
[06:45] <Eq|work> yes
[06:45] <Dr_willis> oh yea.. is there a 'katapult' type tool for gnome?
[06:46] <Eq|work> it's called "configure it yourself!"
[06:46] <Creationist> Dr_willis: The F12 thingy?  Yep, I have that installed too ;)
[06:46] <Dr_willis> Creationist,  :)
[06:46] <penguin42> Eq|work: I don't think there is a way to configure them properly to play nicely
[06:46] <Creationist> Okay, I found my Kubuntu CD... gonna try what you said, Dr_willis.  But will I have write permissions to my home folder from the Live CD?
[06:47] <Eq|work> penguin42 : well i've made several suggestions above..
[06:47] <penguin42> Eq|work: Neither of which work
[06:47] <Eq|work> and why is that?
[06:50] <penguin42> Eq|work: Well I can leave the watch library off (which is what I do now - and is the default) - but the feature is there since it is a nice feature to have; it just doesn't work; Rhythymbox doesn't have an option not to monitor devices by the look of it; and I shouldn't have to quit a music *player* to runa  *ripper*
[06:51] <penguin42> Eq|work: I'd agree running 2 players at once or 2 rippers would be silly
[06:55] <erichj> morning everyone
[06:57] <rothchild> hi is there a way to mask or hide my reverse DNS machine name?
[06:57] <rothchild> or at least change it to something less obvious?
[06:58] <penguin42> rothchild: Depends on your ISP; some ISPs let you change it but that's normally just business ISPs
[06:58] <rothchild> hmm
[06:58] <penguin42> rothchild: It's not something you do on your computer
[06:58] <rothchild> nt-hells customer support is legendary so I'd guess that's a no then
[06:59] <ubuntu_> Dr_willis: I'm in the LiveCD, but I'm getting permission errors when trying to access my /home/ directory for my installed version.
[06:59] <rothchild> thanks penguin42
[07:01] <Dr_willis> ubuntu_,  you are accessing it as root? perhaps?
[07:01] <ubuntu_> Can anyone tell me how to access my /home directory on my harddrive from the LiveCD?
[07:01] <ubuntu_> Dr_willis: Well, it says that the device refused uid999
[07:01] <Dr_willis> the live cd has a idfferent user. thus cant write to just any dir.
[07:01] <ubuntu_> Should I run Dolphin as root?
[07:01] <Dr_willis> best to learn to use the shell. :)
[07:02] <Dr_willis> ya could do sudo dolphin i guess. if you have no shell skills.
[07:02] <ubuntu_> Dr_willis: Well, doesn't matter.... even running Dolphin as root gave the same error.
[07:02] <Dr_willis> somthing seems very odd here..
[07:02] <Dr_willis> you got your installed system mounted to /media/SOMTHING ?
[07:03] <ubuntu_> Dr_willis: Well, Dolphin shows it there, but the shell doesn't ;)  Perhaps it isn't actually mounted
[07:03] <AboSamoor> i can'r play my real player music they are only making noise , how i can solve that
[07:03] <AboSamoor> ?
[07:03] <Dr_willis> ubuntu_,  somthing is very confused here.  for dolphin to see the stuff it has to be mounted.
[07:03] <Dr_willis> ubuntu_,  check with the 'mount' command
[07:04] <ubuntu_> Dr_willis: Yeah, I had to sudo mount it from the konsole... it's there now.
[07:04] <Dr_willis> then see if root can cd to /media/whatever/home the dir. and 'create' a file with touch
[07:04] <Dr_willis> heh - ok. You are on the right track then
[07:06] <ubuntu_> Dr_willis: Kind of frightening to know that my files are not secure no matter what permissions I set, though.  From Windows you can access any files and from the Live CD too.
[07:08] <ubuntu_> Alright... well I'm gonna boot back into the installed system and see how that worked ;)
[07:08] <ubuntu_> Dr_willis: Thanks again.
[07:09] <macogw> nobody told him about encryption?
[07:10] <nanonyme> that's what you get for quitting so fast
[07:10] <nanonyme> btw, how many of you have your bootloaders password protected?
[07:11] <penguin42> actually; has someone got a fresh installed gutsy that can tell me what they see under preferences->removable media->multimedia->audio cd ?
[07:14] <Dr_willis> sound-juicer -d %d
[07:14] <Dr_willis> is what mine says
[07:14] <penguin42> Dr_willis: Thanks; I wanted to check that really was the default and I wasn't making it up :-)
[07:14] <Dr_willis> note that ive never used an audio cd in this machine. :)
[07:14] <Dr_willis> of course with the RIAA law suit/award.. i am boycotting all music now. :)
[07:14] <penguin42> Dr_willis: Sure; I assume you have the vinyl drive wired up then?
[07:15] <wabiD> can anyone try something for me
[07:15] <macogw>  need to get around to that
[07:15] <Dr_willis> if everyone just stopped buying music for say.. 6 mo...
[07:15] <macogw> id like to rip my vinyl to ogg
[07:15] <rocky> is vmware-player not working properly in gutsy atm ?
[07:15] <wabiD> open a firefox window thats like a third a size of their screen, then kill firefox
[07:15] <Dr_willis> macogw,  i saw a LP record ->USB thing the other day
[07:15] <wabiD> then when you restart resume session
[07:15] <wabiD> does it go fullscreen with a lot of black
[07:15] <penguin42> Dr_willis: You could stick with Gregorian chants; if you did that for 6 months you might have to see a shrink though
[07:16] <Dr_willis> penguin42,  its all just background noise to me.
[07:16] <macogw> Dr_willis: well i only buy music when one of my top 5-ish bands releases an album.  my fave releases one every 3 years or so :P
[07:16] <Dr_willis> macogw,  last cd i bought was Weird Al's Cd/DVD combo. :)
[07:16] <penguin42> Dr_willis: Fortunately being IRC you can't hear me singing along badly to my music
[07:16] <Dr_willis> there was somthing else i saw tht i wanted the otehr day.. but cant rember what it was.. so guess it wasent that imporntant  heh
[07:18] <Dr_willis> well bbl
[07:18] <_Jaak_> Does gutsy run in persistant live mode from a usb hdd?
[07:22] <Alp`> how can i customize the look and feel of my login screen?
[07:23] <Alp`> i liked the old one (feisty) but gutsy's new look is bad
[07:23] <axel_s> System -> Preferences -> Login window
[07:23] <Alp`> axel_s: i was there, but didn't found an option to change the ugly box
[07:23] <axel_s> what ugly box do you mean?
[07:24] <Alp`> axel_s: where you put your username and password in
[07:24] <macogw> you cant customize parts
[07:24] <macogw> you can just add/remove a theme
[07:24] <wabiD> how do i run runToBuild from bash
[07:24] <macogw> wabiD: is it a script?  ./ it
[07:24] <wabiD> ah right
[07:24] <Alp`> macogw: that themes seem to be limited to changing button appearance and colors and the wallpaper.
[07:25] <axel_s> I've got a small problem with gutsy.... with gnome/gconf config files cleaned from my home directory or by adding a new user and then logging in, there is no window manager in gnome desktop
[07:25] <macogw> no no you can add/remove a theme of the login screen
[07:25] <axel_s> I have to start metacity manually
[07:25] <macogw> if you want a different one, get it from gnome-look.org
[07:25] <axel_s> what happened?
[07:25] <Alp`> macogw: how to dissable the list of users on the left side of my login box for example?
[07:25] <Alp`> macogw: i'm using kde
[07:26] <Pici> Alp`: I dont use KDE but I'm guessing the preference would be called something like KDM Theme.
[07:26] <axel_s> by choosing "Themed" (not "Themed with face browser") from the dropdown box and selecting a theme without a face browser
[07:28] <macogw> Alp`:  oh then go to kde-look.org and pick a new theme
[07:29] <Alp`> axel_s: i dont find that "face browser" option. i'm in system preferences -> loginmanager -> first tab
[07:30] <Alp`> there i have style and colorscheme only
[07:30] <MetaMorfoziS> hi all
[07:30] <axel_s> Alp`, sorry i didnt see that u're using kde
[07:31] <MetaMorfoziS> there are a problem about the daily upgrade
[07:31] <Alp`> how to configure that in kde?
[07:31] <axel_s> has anybody got an idea why metacity wont start automatically with a clean configuration?
[07:31] <axel_s> have to start it manually
[07:31] <axel_s> all gnome/gconf files deleted beforehand
[07:33] <jeffk> While installing 7.10 Beta, I selected the Broadcom 4311 WLAN as the primary NIC. This card has firmware loading trouble (at least initially).  On login with default session, the GNOME UI hangs and restarts to GDM. The failsafe gnome login works, I think because it skips the wireless setup.
[07:33] <jeffk> How Do I revert the choice of Wireless as primary NIC?
[07:33] <Crozar> WEIRD PROBLEM! my cd - r / rw ( DRIVE ) cant read what was burned.     [ 1stly i burned a cd either way ( music / data/ iso ) all have a completed successful burning process but after the eject i check for file integrity and my drive keeps flashes on and off making a sound prrrrrrrr tik tik tiktiktik tik tik prrrrr again adn again  and then no media mounted , its like im using windows 3.1 on next generation cd's :/ any help please
[07:33] <macogw> jeffk: did you install firmware for it yet?
[07:34] <jeffk> No, that's the next thing on my list.
[07:34] <jeffk> I need to find out how to do that for Gutsy...
[07:34] <macogw> same as feisty
[07:34] <macogw> sudo apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter
[07:34] <`Matir> Where is the best place to ask compiz questions?
[07:35] <xsacha> mmm gutsy live cd uses closed source driver for my ATI card? i thought ubuntu ppl were against that
[07:35] <xsacha> closed source drivers by default
[07:35] <ProN00b> can i somehow set up my system to automatically always follow the current development of ubuntu ? so i really always have bleeding edge without having to do any manual updates anymore ?
[07:35] <wabiD> does anyone have mute installed
[07:36] <jeffk> macogw: thanks, apt-get completed. Is that conflicting or the same with the restricted drivers entry for BroadCom firmware.
[07:38] <cellofellow> This is sort of weird: spellcheck doesn't work at all. Not in Firefox, not in Pidgin, not in OpenOffice. Am I missing a dictionary package or something?
[07:38] <DM|> anyone gotten Rhythmbox to run with ipod?
[07:39] <`Matir> DM|, I use rhythmbox was a shuffle all the time
[07:40] <cellofellow> Any thoughts on spellcheck?
[07:41] <penguin42> cellofellow: That's a little odd
[07:41] <chrissturm> gutsy uses tracker instead of beagle, right? is it possible to search tomboy notes with it, and thunderbird mails?
[07:41] <penguin42> What language do you use?
[07:42] <Crozar> CD-R/RW drive cant read the burn substances of its own / but other operating systems can read them . however the drive can read any other cd's which wasnt burned from its own substance .
[07:42] <Crozar> is this to do with gutsy?
[07:42] <Crozar> i have a cd burned from feisty and gutsy can read it =) feisty also aswel , but i think this upgrade has a weirdd bugg =/
[07:43] <macogw> jeffk: same ones
[07:43] <axel_s> when compiz in removed it does not update the gconf key /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/default, which stays /usr/bin/compiz so that newly added users will have no window manager at all when logging in
[07:43] <superm1> Has there been lots of occorrences of 'Hash Sum mismatch' across mirrors?
[07:44] <h1st0> nice
[07:44] <superm1> i've tried multiple mirrors at universities and been getting it on different files at different places
[07:44] <DM|> when i upgraded to gutsy 'Matir, it keeps giving me "unable to load ipod plugin"
[07:44] <Crozar> gnomefreak: are you theyr :(
[07:47] <penguin42> superm1: That doesn't sound good - I once had bad RAM on a machine and the first time I really confirmed it was when package downloads didn't match on repeated downloads of the same binary
[07:47] <superm1> penguin42, it's not just for me, we've had at least 5 people in #ubuntu-mythtv complaining about mirror.cs.umn.edu
[07:48] <Crozar> penguin42: CD-R/RW drive cant read the burn substances of its own / but other operating systems can read them . however the drive can read any other cd's which wasnt burned from its own substance .
[07:48] <Crozar> is this to do with gutsy?
[07:48] <Crozar> i have a cd burned from feisty and gutsy can read it =) feisty also aswel , but i think this upgrade has a weirdd bugg =/
[07:48] <m1ke> I been doing a lot of reading on how to get a wireless xbox 360 controller to work in Gutsy with no luck so far.  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=404577
[07:48] <Crozar> m1ke: use a wire xbox controller
[07:48] <penguin42> superm1: Ah
[07:48] <superm1> so far the only mirrors i've been able to consistently get to work are the main archive.ubu... and us.archive.ubu... (but they are of course slow)
[07:49] <m1ke> Crozar, my wired xbox controller work by default.  I do prefer the wireless 360 version and would like to use that if at all possible.
[07:49] <Crozar> m1ke: who wants to use wireless? what are you on a penthouse
[07:50] <Crozar> m1ke: what do u use? lol an xbox emulator with games? is drivers supported yet on highly optimization thats opensource similar to windowns?
[07:50] <`Matir> DM|, odd, it's been working for me, though I also have gtkpod installed.
[07:50] <DM|> 'Matir i do too.. rhythmbox is acting flaky tho
[07:51] <Crozar> im going to paint my laptop white tomorrow
[07:51] <DM|> GL
[07:52] <m1ke> Crozar, 360 wireless controller is my preference for a game pad for all gaming.  I my opinion, 360 wireless controller takes the cake!
[07:52] <DM|> its hard to do properly, i did one once, but im a perfectionist when it comes to painting Crozar
[07:52] <BrianG> rhythmbox won't close.. i quit it and it restarts itself
[07:52] <Crozar> DM|: i will paint it on a garage shop lo
[07:54] <earl_> hey guys i have two laptop questions.
[07:54] <Crozar> shoot them
[07:54] <earl_> first of all my computer does not go to sleep.
[07:55] <earl_> even when i click "suspend," it will shut off the monitor, and programs become inactive
[07:55] <earl_> but the power light stays on, and if i touch the bottom of it, it's still warm to the touch
[07:55] <cellofellow> do I need to install language-support-en?
[07:56] <earl_> if i leave it this way for like 30 minutes, i will find that the next time i check the power meter, i've elapsed about that much battery time.
[07:56] <cellofellow> (I think that package is included in older Ubuntu versions.
[07:56] <cellofellow> )
[07:56] <minimec> cellofellow: If you speak English, it might be usefull.
[07:56] <earl_> also, i'm unable to take it out of this fake-sleep state. nothing wakes it up, i have to hold the power button and boot the computer up again manually.
[07:56] <earl_> any way to fix this?
[07:56] <cellofellow> ok, it's the spell check in every program I've bumped into isn't working.
[07:58] <minimec> cellofellow: Install ispell support for your language
[07:58] <freelock> Hey, I just found something strange...
[07:58] <cellofellow> the metapackage is installing myspell. Will that do the same thing?
[07:58] <freelock> Rebooted my Thinkpad with the screen closed. When it came up, had a completely blank screen.
[07:59] <cellofellow> freelock: what video card and drivers? I smell nvidia.
[07:59] <freelock> Switched to a VT, logged in, stopped gdm, and tried running startx
[07:59] <minimec> cellofellow: Just a moment.
[07:59] <freelock> ati
[07:59] <freelock> With startx, same thing... X appeared to start, but nothing output to the screen
[07:59] <earl_> crozar: you know anything about it?
[07:59] <cellofellow> freelock: will do the same thing. When the system wakes up, it can't wake up the binary drivers too well.
[08:00] <freelock> This is from a cold boot...
[08:00] <cellofellow> freelock: I got nvidia working, sort of. sometimes I still see a black screen when waking up the computer.
[08:00] <cellofellow> freelock: :-(
[08:00] <cellofellow> odd
[08:00] <freelock> Seems like X doesn't detect the lcd, if the lid is closed...
[08:00] <minimec> cellofellow: You're right. myspell...
[08:00] <marcin> hi all
[08:01] <cellofellow> minimec: ok, thanks
[08:01] <freelock> ...ever again!
[08:01] <cellofellow> freelock: weird things happen when binary drivers get involved. I'd sprint for the open source ATI drivers as soon as they're usable.
[08:02] <marcin> got a short question: why gutsy is so slow? I upgraded from feisty and gutsy is much slower - is this something expected in development versions or something?
[08:02] <freelock> can't wait...
[08:02] <freelock> ;-)
[08:02] <bazhang> macogw: heya
[08:03] <Crozar> earl_: laptops are still buggy =) wait for the updates
[08:04] <RichW> Has anyone had any luck with suspend on a Intel 965 chipset?
[08:04] <earl_> which updates, though
[08:04] <RichW> It suspends for me and dont resume
[08:04] <RichW> when I turn it back on I get a black screen
[08:04] <earl_> RichW: I just asked more or less the same question, but i'm running AMD
[08:05] <DM|> I'm getting a "Unable to activate plugin Portable Players - iPod" when i open up Rhythmbox, anyone know of a solution?
[08:05] <RichW> Oh i see
[08:05] <cellofellow> RichW: that should work great, seeing as intels drivers are OSS. But... may be a bug or a config error. I don't know myself how to fix it.
[08:05] <earl_> RichW: It also doesn't really suspend for me, it uses power
[08:05] <Crozar> i want to file a bug
[08:05] <Crozar> !bug
[08:05] <RichW> makes sense
[08:05] <Crozar> !bugfile
[08:05] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[08:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bugfile - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:06] <RichW> Well I do have a nvidia graphics card but I am unsure if thats anything to do with it
[08:06] <earl_> Crozar: maybe you know something about my second question: my laptop's brightness buttons aren't working anymore, but they used to. surely there's a brightness setting somewhere in KDE options?
[08:06] <RichW> I guess I could experimentally try 2d nvidia drivers
[08:07] <Crozar> earl_: im using laptop and Fn key works
[08:07] <cellofellow> RichW: an Intel 965 isn't an nvidia.
[08:07] <cellofellow> RichW: the nv driver should do the trick for suspend, but goodbye OpenGL and AIGLX.
[08:07] <RichW> Yeah, ok thanks
[08:07] <nunofgs> HELP! I did the upgrade to gutsy and now my system doesnt boot. It stops at "md: md0 stopped" and after a few minutes it drops to a command line saying: "/dev/hdb2 doesnt exist"
[08:07] <Crozar> earl_: you maybe must enable it through bios settings or maybe through ubuntu yes ,  you can find this if you google them before claiming =)
[08:07] <RichW> I think I will be buying a ATI when the open sourcies are out.
[08:07] <earl_> yeah my FN keys are working for everything but bios
[08:08] <earl_> err
[08:08] <earl_> for everything but brightness
[08:08] <cellofellow> mine too
[08:08] <earl_> and brightness worked a few days ago too, not sure what happened
[08:08] <enyc> Hrrm.... ?does anybody recognize this gutsy upgrade-bug ??
[08:08] <cellofellow> The brightness keys and the brightness applet don't work on my laptop. GeForce 6100, Nvidia-new drivers.
[08:08] <enyc> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/cupsys_1.3.2-1ubuntu4_i386.deb (--unpack):
[08:08] <enyc>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/libcupsys2/CREDITS.txt', which is also in package libcupsys2
[08:09] <enyc> I would need to test on a feisty clean-install to see if this is a feisty-gutsy upgrade-bug.. or just gutsy-alpha/beta bug somewhere
[08:10] <cellofellow> normally aptitude asks if you want to let it overwrite things, with a Y/N question thing.
[08:10] <enyc> cellofellow: I think that may be for config files
[08:10] <cellofellow> yeah
[08:10] <enyc> cellofellow: I.e. 'config file modified by you or a script'
[08:10] <minimec> RichW: I would think again about that ATI question. I did my first NVIDIA experiences just a few days ago... nvidia makes a very good impression.
[08:10] <cellofellow> ok, yeah
[08:10] <enyc> cellofellow: this is a package contents conflict
[08:11] <cellofellow> needs fixed then
[08:11] <RichW> minimec: open source 3d drivers fixes everything.
[08:11] <enyc> cellofellow: it may only affect people who have been using certain alpha/beta gutsy installs.... or it may affect all feisty-gutsycurrent installs... no idea!
[08:12] <minimec> RichW: I use the opensource driver for my radeon 9600 mobile. It works... better, than a few month ago, but...
[08:15] <macogw> earl_: mine too.  maybe that was how they "fixed" the fact that our backlights wouldn't stay on
[08:15] <macogw> enyc: that package was fixed last night.  apt-get update again
[08:15] <hdp> i have a problem: switching from vt  back to x (ctrl+alt+f7) leads to an instant crash of the whole machine. not even a kernel panic, simply a crash. and the worst, i can't see any problems in the logs. any hints how to debug this?
[08:16] <wabiD> what effect is it when my password gets asked, and the black screen behind it zooms down
[08:16] <wabiD> it goes from upper left to lower right
[08:17] <enyc> macogw: ok synced to gb.archive.ubuntu.com etc
[08:17] <enyc> macogw: libcupsys2 is already the newest version.
[08:17] <enyc> macogw: but... now it is apparentyl "Setting up" a whole load of other packages it wasn't before.. how odd
[08:18] <macogw> enyc: the overwrite error caused your upgrade to abort before, most likely
[08:18] <enyc> macogw: yes.. i think it did
[08:18] <enyc> macogw: now trying to dist-upgrade again
[08:18] <macogw> enyc: that wouldve completed your dist-upgrade
[08:18] <macogw> you should be done
[08:19] <enyc> macogw: but theres more dist-upgrades now ;-)
[08:19] <enyc> macogw: Preparing to replace cupsys 1.3.2-1ubuntu1 (using .../cupsys_1.3.2-1ubuntu4_i386.deb) ...
[08:19] <enyc> Ignoring nonregistered document cupsys
[08:19] <earl_> macogw: your laptop wont sleep either?
[08:19] <enyc> macogw:  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/libcupsys2/CREDITS.txt', which is also in package libcupsys2
[08:19] <penguin42> hdp: What graphics card do you have?
[08:19] <enyc> macogw: no its still br0ken ;-)
[08:20] <hdp> penguin42, ati m6 ly
[08:20] <macogw> enyc: odd.  around 11 last night the broken cupsys was released.  maybe clear your apt cache.  it may not have downloaded the new one
[08:20] <macogw> earl_ the non-dimming thing
[08:20] <enyc> macogw: aah... did they not change the version number??
[08:20] <hdp> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/139235 this could be the same bug i experience
[08:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 139235 in ubuntu "kernel crash when X is stopped or switch to console" [Undecided,New]
[08:20] <penguin42> hdp: To be honest it's probably a driver bug that the only thing you can do is report it
[08:20] <nunofgs> macogw: hi again. I left the packages installing all night. I just had problems with the root partition not being found and I've discovered that all my drives were renamed to sd* ? I dont have scsi or sata .... is that normal?
[08:20] <wabiD> damn 212 updates today
[08:21] <Pici> Why not just apt-cache clean?
[08:21] <enyc> Pici: that would then mean needing to download everything else
[08:21] <macogw> nunofgs: maybe.  libata was changed in feisty to use sd* for everything.  people complained and they reverted it in ubuntu. they may have decided to just use a new libata afterall
[08:21] <enyc> Pici: I can now _seee_ it HAS downloaded cupsys again from gb.archive.ubuntu.com
[08:21] <nunofgs> macogw: ah ok, thanks
[08:21] <cellofellow> whatever, all my stuff is using UUID's anyway.
[08:21] <enyc> Pici: no proxy or transparent_proxy
[08:21] <Pici> enyc: It should download the new package when it comes out and forget the old one.
[08:22] <penguin42> hdp: Are you using the vesa driver or an ATI one?
[08:22] <enyc> Pici: yes, if update picks it up
[08:22] <enyc> Pici: but it isn't ;-)
[08:22] <earl_> macogw: oh, right
[08:23] <enyc> Somebody with up to date gutsy please 'dpkg -l cupsys' for me ;-)... what version do you now have?
[08:23] <bur[n] er> yep
[08:23] <hdp> penguin42, i am using the free ati driver, which used to work flawlessly for four years now. until gutsy that is...
[08:23] <bur[n] er> er... I was way back in teh scrollback... DM|, still having problems with the ipod?
[08:23] <bazhang> Pici: heya
[08:23] <bazhang> macogw: hey
[08:24] <MTecknology> hrm... I hope the updates today fixed two of my three problems with 7.10 that weren't an issue in 7.04 :)
[08:26] <albert23> enyc: 1.3.2-1ubuntu5
[08:26] <bazhang> MTecknology: what were they?
[08:26] <cellofellow> I just wonder what's going to happen with ALSA. And I wonder if there is a Linux driver anywhere for my SigmaTel sound card, via an nVidia HDA something. (This is new stuff, new laptop. Not sure how the HDA stuff works.)
[08:27] <nunofgs> whenever I update my kernel, my grub menu.lst seems to be incorrectly created. The UUID is always wrong. Is there any way to tell it otherwise so I dont have to manually edit everytime?
[08:27] <enyc> albert23: thankyou!  that matches with packages.ubuntu.com ...  i have just cleaned the list-files from /var/lib/apt/lists and I am apt-get update'ing again.. maybe then it will "see" the ubuntu5 version instead of ubuntu4
[08:27] <penguin42> hdp: Nod, I think that bug report you pasted is using vesa
[08:28] <hdp> yepp, you are right
[08:28] <enyc> no! Im still getting ubuntu4 version... bah
[08:28] <MTecknology> bazhang, the famous panel with compiz on startup, my screen brightness now goes black except for some very few %'s. and my third one is significantly longer login times
[08:29] <enyc> I've *seen* it *download* a new sources-list etc. from gb.archive.ubuntu.com ... it knows it wants cupsys 1.3.2-1ubuntu4 ! argh!
[08:30] <albert23> enyc: I got it from ftp://ftp.tudelft.nl
[08:30] <MTecknology> bazhang, O... there's also a bug with gnome-rdp and compiz
[08:30] <wabiD> http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/10/05/1234217.shtml
[08:31] <penguin42> wabiD: Yeh people bury their heads in the sand and pretend that Linux is invulnerable and they don't need to worry about firewalling and things
[08:31] <wabiD> getting people to disclose their passwords?
[08:33] <enyc> Gah!  gutsy main binary-i386 on gb.archive.ubuntu.com is not up to date! it has only the -ubuntu4 version of cupsys hence problem...  sorry for bugging everbody etc.
[08:33] <enyc> thankyou all who sent back responses ;-)
[08:33] <penguin42> wabiD: No, it's talking about rootkited Linux boxes
[08:35] <knix> How does a firewall protect you from a rootkit?
[08:35] <bl4cktone> Hi everybody!!!
[08:35] <macogw> hi Spec
[08:35] <macogw> i did forget about taste of india until i saw the email from kevin
[08:35] <macogw> i think im going to pull an all nighter tonight
[08:36] <macogw> so i can code and read and everything, then put on a suit and go volunteer all day tomorrow :P
[08:36] <bl4cktone> I've upgraded a few versions through a few versions of ubuntu already I had compiz working but in the last two upgrades even with gutsy I can't get my borders to show up in my windows after loading compiz
[08:36] <penguin42> knix: That depends how your machine gets the root kit
[08:37] <knix> not really :P
[08:37] <knix> The only way a firewall could help is to stop it from letting traffic out
[08:37] <knix> But they're going to use common ports anyway that you'll probably have open for services you're running, which I'm going to assume is how yo ugot the rootkit
[08:38] <knix> And if you're not using said services, they shoudln't be running, thus removing the need for a firewall
[08:38] <penguin42> knix: Not necessarily; one example is it is very easy to accidentally start another service (e.g. install a package in a recommended or screw up a config file)
[08:39] <wabiD> where is the remote desktop gui
[08:39] <wabiD> i can only find preferences
[08:39] <knix> I don't think turning on a firewall is any less "burying your head in the sand" than pretending Linux is secure
[08:39] <knix> You should be aware what services you have listening on your system
[08:39] <bazhang> MTecknology: what's gnome-rdp?
[08:40] <penguin42> knix: I'm just saying it helps - yes you should be aware; but it's very easy to accidentally start something else, I'm thinking more of desktops than things that are intended to be net facing servers
[08:40] <erichj> !info gnome-rdp
[08:40] <ubotu> gnome-rdp: Remote Desktop Client for the GNOME Desktop. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.2-0ubuntu4 (gutsy), package size 102 kB, installed size 312 kB
[08:40] <nunofgs> penguin42: heh, just imagined a user "accidentally" configuring a vulnerable version of apache or something and "accidentally" adding it to a boot runlevel and "accidentally" leave it running for weeks
[08:40] <MTecknology> i the issue isn't with that package, it's going to be related to compiz
[08:40] <knix> And 'accidentally" finding out you have an IQ below 80
[08:41] <penguin42> nunofgs: Try installing anjuta - you get about a zillion recommended packages; of which one I think is apache
[08:41] <nunofgs> and "intentionally" getting rootkit'ed
[08:41] <knix> lol
[08:41] <penguin42> knix: No, that's why things get rootkitted; people blaming the users all the time
[08:41] <knix> How do you mean?
[08:42] <Spec> macogw: where are you volunteering tomorrow?
[08:42] <bl4cktone> Hey guys, if anyone can help me get compiz working right agian in gutsy I'd appreciate it.  I tried to load compiz in gutsy and got this.  I don't have the borders to any windows now.  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39679/
[08:42] <penguin42> knix: 'IQ below 80' - don't blame the users; people do stuff by accident, I'm just saying that if you do something simple by accident it shouldn't hurt you (on a desktop in particular, servers you should have more of an idea)
[08:43] <bazhang> bl4cktone: hey!
[08:43] <knix> penguin42: I don't think turning on a service is something simple
[08:43] <knix> And something you could easily accidentally do
[08:43] <knix> Unless you're blindly installing packages
[08:43] <bl4cktone> bazhang: hey bud, looks like gutsy didn't fix it
[08:43] <penguin42> knix: I think it is due to recommended/suggested packages
[08:44] <erichj> is it just me or is there an over-abundance of male enhancement commercials on the sci-fi network?
[08:44] <bazhang> bl4cktone: do you have compizconfig settings manager, with window decoration plug in checked?
[08:44] <knix> How many packages does a desktop user use that're going to recommend/suggest a listening servce?
[08:44] <bazhang> yep
[08:44] <bl4cktone> bazhang: I haven't touched that yet
[08:44] <bazhang> knix: listening service?
[08:44] <bazhang> bl4cktone: how is it broken then?
[08:44] <knix> listening on a port
[08:44] <knix> a network service
[08:45] <penguin42> knix: Well I seem to have portmap, ntpd and avahi listening
[08:45] <bl4cktone> bazhang: have no Idea it happened after my last update to feisty
[08:45] <knix> penguin42: I bet ntpd is only listening on localhost
[08:45] <knix> I don't know about avahi
[08:45] <bazhang> bl4cktone: could you refresh my memory?
[08:45] <penguin42> knix: No it's listening on <IP_ADDRESS>:123 as well as <IP_ADDRESS> - checked your machine with a netstat -anp ?
[08:46] <knix> ntpd isn't listening for me :>
[08:46] <bl4cktone> trying to get into my compiz settings manager and nothing is coming up.  When I load compiz I get http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39679/ these errors in the terminal
[08:46] <penguin42> knix: Anyway, my point is that it's better to have a firewall for safety; everyone knows Unix lets you shoot yourself in the foot but there is no reason not to have a safety catch!
[08:48] <penguin42> similarly, I'll be glad when the AppArmor stuff gets used heavily
[08:53] <bazhang> bl4cktone: are you using just compiz on Gutsy?
[08:53] <mnemo> I would like to view a movie using my ubuntu laptop and TV-out... when I connect it and switch to AV channel on the TV I don't see anything... is there any special button I need to press to make TV-out work??
[08:53] <bl4cktone> bazhang: trying to but till I can get it working I'm using metacity
[08:54] <bazhang> why not not compiz-fusion, bl4cktone?
[08:54] <rothchild> mnemo fn f4
[08:55] <rothchild> or maybe f3
[08:55] <bl4cktone> bazhang: there's a difference?  thought compiz-fusion would take compiz place
[08:55] <bazhang> bl4cktone: huge difference.
[08:55] <bl4cktone> bazhang: so just do something like "compiz-fusion -start"?
[08:55] <bazhang> bl4cktone: light years
[08:56] <bazhang> bl4cktone: alt + f2 then type compiz --replace &, then hit 'run'
[08:56] <SVisor>  205 updates, and several "not authenticated".. is this a ok upgrade to 7.10?
[08:57] <bazhang> bl4cktone: followed by alt + f2 again, then type emerald --replace & (for gnome) or kde-window-decorator --replace &
[08:57] <SVisor> Does it fix my missing bottom panel, that is invisible until clicked on?
[08:57] <bazhang> SVisor: do you have hiding on for the panel?
[08:58] <SVisor> bazhang: nope
[08:58] <bazhang> SVisor: transparnecy?
[08:58] <bazhang> transparency?
[08:59] <bazhang> bl4cktone: did you understand those instrucitons>
[08:59] <bazhang> instructions?
[08:59] <bl4cktone> bazhang: yes seems I don't have emerald so I'm doing an apt-get for it
[08:59] <SVisor> bazhang: again nope... It become this way after an update (sorry not a clue which one). Worked beautifully before that. As did animation of rezise (now Ive a blue rectangle).
[09:01] <bazhang> SVisor: ok; not sure that this update will fix it; can you click on the panel and do stuff with it? delete it?
[09:02] <bazhang> bl4cktone: cool.
[09:02] <wabiD> can myth take advantage of compiz
[09:02] <wabiD> or can it only be used as a window manager
[09:02] <SVisor> About those 205 updates (I just updated yesterday), are they valid? The updater complains about authentication (I have not added any own sources).
[09:03] <SVisor> bazhang: After I click on it, it works as usual. And stays visible.
[09:04] <bl4cktone> bazhang: what was I supposed to do after a apt-get install? apt-get update? or is that needed after the program is downloaded?
[09:04] <bazhang> SVisor: then when you move the mouse away, it just 'poof' disappears?
[09:04] <bazhang> bl4cktone: well, you've got it, so try to use it, but is your system up to date?
[09:04] <SVisor> bazhang: click "on" soimthing invisible.. Actually all windows avoid it when maximized, it is just not visible. And nope. I just have to activate it by clicking on the bottom line of screen
[09:05] <SVisor> bazhang: After that it works as usuall.
[09:05] <bl4cktone> did the emerrald --replace and it's just sitting there
[09:05] <bur[n] er> greetings all... anyone a virtualbox user?  I can't get USB going on vbox 1.5 & gutsy
[09:06] <rothchild> SVisor I have the missing lower toolbar error too, exactly as you describe
[09:06] <rexy_> during gutsy beta netinstall i get an error when dpkg is updating initrd, stating that it cant find the kernel modules (/lib/modules/modules<version>
[09:06] <SVisor> Oh well this is a test system.. What bad can non authenticated upgrades do ;-)
[09:07] <bazhang> SVisor: right on!
[09:07] <rexy_> apt-cache wont install linux-generic to fix the problem, due to incomplete dpkg, dpkg wont reconfigure due to missing /lib/module/<version> modules
[09:07] <rexy_> any idea's?
[09:07] <SVisor> rothchild: Good to know that Im not alone with the missing panel.. then maybe it gets fixed
[09:08] <bazhang> bl4cktone: first you need to do the compiz --replace & (with the ampersand), followed by the emerald --replace & all of these are not in the terminal, but in the run menu, brought up by alt and f2 keys pressed same time.
[09:08] <SVisor> \afk
[09:09] <zerwas_> Will empathy be installed by default in Gutsy? :-o ...or only packaged?
[09:09] <stefg> !info e,pathy
[09:09] <stefg> !info empathy
[09:09] <ubotu> Package epathy does not exist in gutsy
[09:09] <ubotu> empathy: High-level library and user-interface for Telepathy. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.12-2ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 24 kB, installed size 120 kB
[09:09] <zerwas_> thank you stefg
[09:10] <bl4cktone> bazhang: seems alt and f2 are not bringing up the run box right now
[09:10] <bazhang> bl4cktone: hmmm.
[09:10] <bl4cktone> bazhang: it was working a few mins ago
[09:10] <bazhang> zerwas_: but it's in the repositories.
[09:11] <zerwas_> bazhang, yes that's good :)
[09:11] <bl4cktone> bazhang: so I can't do that in terminal so, how do I bring up the run box without shortcut keys
[09:11] <bazhang> gnome?
[09:11] <bazhang> bl4cktone: gnome?
[09:12] <bl4cktone> yeah gnome
[09:12] <bazhang> should be in menu, labeled run command; at least it is in KDE..
[09:13] <bl4cktone> no sir no such command in applications, Places, or System drop down menus
[09:13] <bl4cktone> bazhang: can't find it
[09:15] <MTecknology> it's insane how many duplicates there are - i realize some may be too far off for somebody to see the similarities... Anybody that calls me hypocritical, I do my best to find a dupe first :)
[09:16] <bazhang> bl4cktone: just a moment--trying to find it...
[09:17] <macogw> Spec: HRC National Dinner :P
[09:18] <Assid> one day im gonna see kde beat mac's user friendliness
[09:18] <bazhang> macogw: hey!
[09:18] <Assid> in every aspect
[09:18] <bazhang> Assid: already there.
[09:18] <Assid> bazhang: nah
[09:18] <Assid> trust me.. long way to go
[09:18] <Assid> + we need more commercial vendors to start supporting
[09:18] <AboSamoor> can anyone help me to solve Rhythmbox problem, when i try to play .ram .rm files in my library i got a noise instead of music, this was not the case before upgrading from feisty to gutsy ?
[09:18] <bazhang> Assid: wait til Leopard bombs.
[09:19] <bazhang> sorry for the off topic!
[09:19] <Assid> bazhang: unlikely.. beta testers are actually raving about it
[09:19] <bl4cktone> Assid: with glow sticks and booze
[09:19] <Assid> hehe
[09:19] <Assid> no seriously.. i personally faced a few issues
[09:20] <Assid> couldnt get my phone to synch
[09:20] <Blinny> New Gutsy install downloaded today - my 3c905b doesn't activate on boot. lspci shows it, lsmod shows 3c59x but ifconfig says no device. acpi=off in boot/menu.lst -- any ideas?
[09:21] <bl4cktone> what replaces Gaim in Gutsy?
[09:21] <bl4cktone> anyone
[09:21] <bur[n] er> bl4cktone: pidgin
[09:21] <Blinny> Pidgin
[09:21] <bl4cktone> Blinny: thanks mate!
[09:22] <Blinny> bl4cktone: No worries.
[09:22] <bazhang> hey nosrednaekim! nice blog!
[09:23] <bazhang> oops, off topic again. D'oh!
[09:23] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: thanks... where did you see it from?
[09:24] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: the link you gave yesterday; in off-topic, I think?
[09:24] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: oh yeah.... to the guy with the laptop just like mine,
[09:25] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: here's a question for you: do you use gnome? and if so, where's the alt +f2 gui equivalent in gnome menu? Cheers!
[09:25] <bazhang> hi Lattyware
[09:25] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: interesting reading--bookmarked it1
[09:25] <bazhang> oops. was it me?
[09:26] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: nope.. I only use KDE
[09:27] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: cheers!
[09:27] <bl4cktone> bazhang: just loaded metacity again and got the run application window
[09:27] <panosru> Flash player does not work in gutsy 64 bit (i installed nspluginwrapper through repos) java not working too amsn not working too... maybe i have to go to 32bit?
[09:28] <Blinny> New Gutsy server install downloaded today - my 3c905b doesn't activate. lspci shows it, lsmod shows 3c59x but ifconfig says no device. acpi=off in boot/menu.lst. I'm trying to test out Ubuntu's LTSP. Anyone have time to help?
[09:28] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: was it you?
[09:28] <Blinny> panosru: What java? blackdown ?
[09:28] <pavel> if i upgrade to gutsy, am i gonna ahve all my apps?
[09:28] <panosru> Blinny, jre for mozilla
[09:28] <bl4cktone> bazhang: just copy and pasted both of those commands in order, so far nothing has happened
[09:28] <nosrednaekim> panosru: did you read an nspluginwrapper tutorial? its not as easy as just DLing it.
[09:29] <bl4cktone> bazhang: btw thanks for the help!
[09:29] <bazhang> well I said hello to someone,and they immediately logged out nosrednaekim
[09:29] <panosru> nosrednaekim, do you have any link please?
[09:29] <nosrednaekim> pavel: any you have in fiesty, and more
[09:29] <bazhang> bl4cktone: don't copy and paste; type them in.
[09:29] <bazhang> not in the terminal bl4cktone
[09:29] <pavel> awsome ty
[09:30] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: oh.
[09:30] <nosrednaekim> panosru: i'll find you one
[09:30] <panosru> nosrednaekim, thank you
[09:31] <bazhang> bl4cktone: it's two separate actions; first time the compiz --replace &, hit run. then repeat with a fresh window--is alt +f2 working for you now?
[09:31] <panosru> nosrednaekim, nsplugin provide and java functionality or only flash player? (i hear that flash player does not work well with nsplugin, is that real?)
[09:32] <bl4cktone> bazhang: did it exactly like you said, still no windows boarders
[09:32] <bazhang> I love the way canonical called it nsplugin even with the Netscape icon? boogeyman of days past for a certain big company...
[09:33] <nosrednaekim> panosru: they do not provide it, you ahve to install both, and then link them to nsplugin wrapper somehow
[09:33] <bazhang> okay; can you access compizconfig settings manager? bl4cktone
[09:33] <bl4cktone> bazhang: I clicked on it but no window comes up
[09:33] <nosrednaekim> bl4cktone: are you on gnome?
[09:33] <bazhang> bl4cktone: is it installed?
[09:34] <nosrednaekim> bl4cktone: and secondly, do you have an nvidia card?
[09:34] <bl4cktone> bazhang: should be I never uninstalled it and I have a geforce 6800go
[09:35] <bl4cktone> nosrednaekim: yes I have gnome
[09:35] <panosru> bl4cktone, try to add Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "On" on your xorg file
[09:35] <panosru> Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "On"
[09:35] <nosrednaekim> panosru: +1
[09:35] <panosru> add this to your Device Section
[09:36] <bl4cktone> panosru: do you have a link for step by step?  unfortunatly I don't know how to get in my xorg file
[09:36] <panosru> yes
[09:36] <panosru> type:
[09:36] <panosru> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:36] <panosru> find your Device section and add it
[09:37] <bl4cktone> ok so
[09:37] <panosru> bl4cktone, under  Section "Device"
[09:37] <bl4cktone> "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "On"
[09:38] <panosru> Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "On"
[09:38] <panosru> don't forget the "Option"
[09:38] <bl4cktone> ok added
[09:38] <panosru> paste your xorg file in pastebin.com and paste here the url i will edit for you
[09:39] <bl4cktone> http://pastebin.com/da186ad6
[09:39] <bl4cktone> that's what I did
[09:40] <panosru> ok w8 now
[09:40] <bl4cktone> let me know if that's right
[09:40] <AmyRose> Is there a way to get rid of those annoying GPG warnings when enabling the debug symbol repos?
[09:41] <panosru> bl4cktone, ok now restart your X Server
[09:42] <bl4cktone> panosru, what's the command for the restart of x server?
[09:42] <panosru> bl4cktone, to restart your X Server you have to press: ctrl + alt + backspace (Warning: close anything you have open and save your work because it will close everything)
[09:42] <bl4cktone> ok thanks brb
[09:42] <nosredna_ekim> bl4cktone: log out before pressing ctrl+alt+bckpscace
[09:43] <wood1> hello guys, I just installed Ubuntu 7.10 successfully, but my major problem is getting my Nvidia GeForce Go 7400 driver. I went to the restricted drivers manager and clicked on the driver to enable it, but it pops out a message saying:  resource temporary unavailable
[09:43] <wood1> what can i do?
[09:43] <nosredna_ekim> wood1: are you connected to the internet?
[09:43] <wood1> yes
[09:43] <wood1> yes nosredna_ekim
[09:44] <nosredna_ekim> wood1: try a "sudo apt-get update"
[09:44] <nosredna_ekim> and then try installing it again
[09:45] <panosru> wood1, if you installed your graphic card drivers through envy, download envy and remove the drivers then install them again through System -> Administration -> Restricted Driver Manager
[09:46] <IndyGunFreak> !envhy
[09:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about envhy - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:46] <IndyGunFreak> !envy
[09:46] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[09:46] <wood1> panosru: i just installed ubuntu, ive never done anything concerning envy.... - i don't like using envy (it made me some problems on my other computers)
[09:46] <nosredna_ekim> !envy
[09:47] <panosru> wood1, ok then follow nosredna_ekim instructions, and never use envy :P
[09:47] <panosru> nosredna_ekim, did you find any manual for nspluginwrapper?
[09:47] <nosredna_ekim> panosru: AH! hit me with a cluebat...  forgot!
[09:47] <IndyGunFreak> using envy to install nvidia drivers is silly
[09:47] <panosru> bl4cktone. worked?
[09:48] <bazhang> bl4cktone: you all set?
[09:48] <bl4cktone> panosru, still no borders
[09:48] <panosru> nosredna_ekim, lol no prob, i found some too but i want to see your link
[09:48] <IndyGunFreak> wood1: did you upgrade, or do a clean install?
[09:48] <panosru> bl4cktone. try to uninstall everything and install again
[09:48] <panosru> bl4cktone. i mean compiz
[09:49] <panosru> bl4cktone, not the system :P
[09:49] <panosru> bl4cktone, you can also find support for compiz fusion here -> #compiz-fusion
[09:49] <wood1> IndyGunFreak: i am upgrading now
[09:50] <wood1> IndyGunFreak: oh no, im sorry this is a clean install
[09:50] <IndyGunFreak> wood1: are you upgrading from Feisty to Edgy?
[09:50] <IndyGunFreak> oh ok.
[09:50] <wood1> IndyGunFreak: nope
[09:50] <IndyGunFreak> wood1: sorry, meant feistyt o gutsy, but you've clarified youd id a clean install
[09:51] <wood1> yes its a clean install
[09:51] <IndyGunFreak> wood1: anyways, when I first installed Feisty, I decided to install Envy, and see what allt he hoopla was about.  It was also a clean install...
[09:51] <panosru> does anyone tried amsn through repos? i install it but i can't use it, there is no login screen! lool
[09:51] <IndyGunFreak> wood1: well, it pretty much didn't work, so I removed the driver, and removed Envy, but I couldn't get the proper driver to work... reading the error report, seemed to indicate it was interfering with what Envy had tried to do.