[02:49] <poningru> for the installer is there a feature to not attempt to install a certain module?
[04:58] <okaratas> i writing ubuntu server guide for turkish translations
[04:58] <okaratas> http://www.ozgurkaratas.com/doc/Ubuntu_Sunucu_Rehberi.pdf
[04:39] <J_P> hi all
[04:41] <[miles] > afternoon J_P
[04:41] <J_P> I install ubuntu, but I would like change the locales, how i do ? For I see locale setup I press "locale" and I see the I don't wnat that locales...
[04:42] <J_P> I don't have grafica interface, how I do for change that ?
[04:43] <[miles] > keys etc?
[04:43] <J_P> [miles] : not, supported lnaguage...
[04:44] <J_P> I would like UTF-8, but are setup PT_BR
[04:44] <J_P> I try locale-gen but taht not change nothing
[04:44] <[miles] > portuges / brazil
[04:44] <[miles] > ?
[04:44] <J_P> yes
[04:44] <[miles] > mmmm
[04:44] <[miles] > shite, can't remember how you do it
[04:44] <J_P> :-(
[04:44] <[miles] > /etc/locale ?
[04:45] <[miles] > locale.alias
[04:45] <[miles] > ?
[04:47] <J_P> humm
[04:48] <J_P> nothing :-(
[04:48] <[miles] > wiki?
[04:51] <J_P> what
[04:51] <J_P> ?
[04:51] <J_P> waht wiki ?
[05:01] <[miles] > J_P, sorry, I mean the Ubuntu wiki
[05:02] <[miles] > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LocaleConf
[05:02] <[miles] > sudo dpkg-reconfigure localeconf
[05:04] <J_P> ok :-)
[05:04] <[miles] > hope that helps
[09:39] <trandism> does anyone here manage to setup a distributed file-system using Ubuntu servers & clients other than the openAFS - Kerberos combo? Any pointing to directions (links, experiences etc.) would be greatly appreciated, thanks in advance
[11:35] <mdke> hi there. I'm not sure how many of you guys moderate/follow/read the ubuntu-server mailing list, so I wanted to ask you about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+bug/45944
[11:36] <mdke> if interested, perhaps the best thing is to reply to the bug report
[11:46] <mdke> thanks for reading :)


[05:54] <Kilos> morning all
[06:10] <Kilos> hi henk
[06:21] <henkj> hi Kilos
[06:21] <Kilos> hi Jabberwocky_
[06:22] <Kilos> what a massive mail in the lists from Ramu Lyer
[06:32] <superfly> hiya Kilos, henkj, Jabberwocky_
[06:32] <henkj> morning superfly
[06:32] <Kilos> morning superfly
[06:40] <Kilos> hi HawkiesZA
[06:40] <HawkiesZA> Morning all the people!
[06:50] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday
[06:52] <maiatoday> hi Kilos
[06:55] <superfly> hi maiatoday
[06:55]  * superfly has already said hello to HawkiesZA
[07:03] <maiatoday> hi superfly
[07:22] <Squirm> morning
[07:24] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[07:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all :)
[07:31] <superfly> aloha ThatGraemeGuy
[07:35] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[07:54] <Kilos> môre inetpro
[08:05] <inetpro> goeie more Kilos and everone else
[08:42] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[08:44] <Vince-0> Hi Kilos
[08:45] <Vince-0> Monday blady Maanday
[08:57] <Squirm> lol Vince-0
[08:57] <Squirm> I second that
[09:19] <superfly> Symmetria: *poke*
[09:31] <Symmetria> superfly *slap*
[09:31] <Symmetria> ;p
[09:31] <Symmetria> sorry Im around :) just concentrating on something
[09:32] <superfly> Symmetria: who can we poke to get za.archive.ubuntu.com up and running again?
[09:33] <Symmetria> superfly<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:33] <Symmetria> (Patrick Holahan)
[09:33] <superfly> Symmetria: ta.
[09:33] <Symmetria> in the mean time, mirror.ufs.ac.za
[09:33] <Symmetria> has a full and complete mirror on it
[09:33] <Symmetria> you'd have to check the pathing
[09:33] <Symmetria> and its synching often
[09:33] <Symmetria> and its got just as much bandwidth
[09:34] <superfly> ta
[09:36] <magespawn> mornign all
[09:36] <magespawn> morning even
[09:38] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[09:38] <magespawn> whats up?
[09:38] <Kilos> the sun
[09:39] <magespawn> ah well that is very good. i saw that happen this morning
[09:39] <Kilos> lol
[09:40] <magespawn> gravity is still switched on, as well, so all in all turning out to be an excellent day
[09:41] <Kilos> yip
[09:45] <magespawn> brain is a bit in limbo, been up since 04:00
[09:51] <Kilos> why?
[09:51] <Kilos> kids?
[09:52] <magespawn> no early game drive
[10:07] <Symmetria> where were ya doing game drive?
[10:07] <magespawn> Hluhluwe Game Reserve
[10:07]  * Symmetria did a game drive in nairobi national park on saturday :)
[10:08] <magespawn> i was the guide on this one
[10:08] <Symmetria> then went to the animal orphanage there where they look after and rehab animals who have lost their parents before putting em back in the park
[10:08] <Symmetria> heh, that animal orphanage was cool, a lot of the wild monkeys out the park come into it to see if they can get food from the baby animals that isnt eaten etc
[10:08] <Symmetria> so the guide there was like, here, give them some peanuts, they are pretty tame
[10:09] <Symmetria> so they were eating peanuts outta my hand, next thing I had a young vervet jump on my shoulder and try play with my hair lol
[10:09] <magespawn> did it pee on you? they mark their territory lik that
[10:10] <Symmetria> hehehe nah buts its mom didnt look happy with it sitting on my shoulder
[10:10] <Symmetria> heh I was keeping a very wary eye on the baboons that were around though
[10:10] <Symmetria> those things scare me
[10:15] <trender> afternoon people
[10:15] <trender> is anybody alive ??
[10:16] <magespawn> afternoon trender
[10:17] <Kilos> hi tend
[10:17] <Kilos> ai!
[10:17] <Kilos> hi trender
[10:17] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[10:17] <trender> hi :)
[10:18] <Kilos> if you dont run away you can join us for our monthly meeting tonight
[10:18] <trender> you okes from durban ?
[10:18] <Kilos> all over
[10:18] <trender> ah yes im sure
[10:18] <trender> was figuring mostly durban people
[10:18] <Kilos> the whole country and some in the NL
[10:18] <magespawn> some are in durban and the surrounds
[10:18] <trender> im in durban
[10:19] <Kilos> i actually think we got more cape peeps here
[10:19] <Kilos> the durbs okes are always on holiday
[10:19] <trender> erm and other are in #clug
[10:19] <trender> on a different network
[10:19] <Kilos> are you one of the durbs lug guys?
[10:19] <trender> no no
[10:19] <trender> im a durban noob
[10:20] <Kilos> ah welcome
[10:20] <trender> even a linux noob
[10:20] <Kilos> put this channel on your cant be disconnected lists
[10:20] <trender> but and old school develloper
[10:20] <Kilos> this is the right place for linux help
[10:20] <trender> an = and
[10:21] <trender> have strange interests
[10:21] <Kilos> tell us about yourself
[10:21] <Kilos> nice to see new faces here
[10:21] <trender> engineering etc
[10:21] <trender> brb ok
[10:21] <trender> need to open door
[10:22] <Kilos> ok
[10:22] <Kilos> there is no rushing on this channel
[10:22] <Kilos> you can wait hours at times
[10:22] <trender> ok back
[10:22] <Kilos> wb
[10:23] <trender> well im an old school asm programmer
[10:23] <trender> and develloper i guess
[10:23] <trender> but dont really do much deve anymore
[10:23] <trender> dev
[10:24] <Kilos> ah , we have 2 ubuntu dev guys here
[10:24] <Kilos> are you using ubuntu?
[10:24] <trender> no no windoze
[10:24] <Kilos> aw shame
[10:25] <Kilos> we will convert you
[10:25] <trender> :)
[10:25] <trender> i have an interesting story
[10:25] <Kilos> there are guys in durbs with official cds still methinks
[10:25] <Kilos> ok tell
[10:25] <trender> erm ok i can shaow you
[10:26] <trender> i have these little linux lunch boxes
[10:26] <trender> called squareone from itian
[10:27] <trender> and they are missing linux image files = linux applications
[10:27] <trender> if youd like a look i can give you the address
[10:27] <trender> i think its a very interesting toy
[10:28] <trender> so i bought 100pcs to play with
[10:28] <Kilos> try be here at 19.30 tonight then the durbs guys will be here
[10:28] <Kilos> 100?
[10:28] <Kilos> whew
[10:28] <trender> yea yea
[10:28] <trender> 100pcs
[10:28] <trender> you like the sounds of this toy ?
[10:29] <trender> ive put it online for linux okes to play with it
[10:29] <magespawn> link?
[10:29] <Kilos> im still learning about pc's so dont mess with other things mostly
[10:29] <trender> erm mage should i give the link in private
[10:30] <Kilos> but will look
[10:30] <Kilos> no here
[10:30] <trender> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8090/
[10:30] <Kilos> so we can all see
[10:30] <trender> oops sorry
[10:30] <trender> let me fix that
[10:30] <Kilos> hehe
[10:30] <trender> <IP_ADDRESS>:8090
[10:30] <magespawn> that looks like a private network link
[10:30] <trender> sure it is
[10:31] <trender> admin:squareone ok
[10:31] <trender> try not to toast it
[10:31] <Kilos> is it http then that long number?
[10:31] <trender> but its a fine exibit
[10:31] <magespawn> you okay with people have a look on your private net?
[10:31] <trender> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8090
[10:32] <trender> yea off course
[10:32] <trender> you see what it looks like ?
[10:33] <trender> you can log in with admin:squareone
[10:33] <trender> thats the admin config page
[10:33] <trender> the telent is also open
[10:34] <trender> its missing the hard disk image files
[10:34] <trender> so i need to rebuild these up
[10:34] <trender> make my own image packs
[10:34] <Kilos> aw i cant get past the first page
[10:35] <trender> you can log in with admin:squareone
[10:36] <magespawn> user admin password squareone
[10:36] <trender> its an all in one linux server lunchbox
[10:36] <trender> correct yes
[10:36] <magespawn> looks cool
[10:37] <trender> im interested what you guys make of it
[10:37] <trender> its just a brick at present
[10:37] <magespawn> use? internet proxy/server?
[10:37] <trender> with a 70gb hard drive in right now
[10:38] <trender> erm i dont know if you can use a proxy with it
[10:38] <trender> you likely can yea
[10:38] <trender> try not to reformat the hard disk :P
[10:39] <magespawn> nah
[10:39]  * Squirm looks around
[10:39] <trender> obviously you guys can do anything you like to it tho
[10:39] <trender> including reboot it and such
[10:39] <trender> at the core it has an arm41 processor
[10:40] <magespawn> do you need a adsl modem to get it on line?
[10:40] <trender> running what apprears to be an embedded linux OS
[10:40] <trender> yes its connected to my adsl router
[10:40] <trender> at present
[10:41] <trender> ive just done the network stuff to get it online
[10:41] <trender> the poking inside the box is done via telnet
[10:42] <magespawn> i see that it will do it its own routing as, so you only need a adsl modem
[10:42] <trender> you are correct yes
[10:42] <trender> it has 4 ports for routing
[10:42] <trender> i dont need those though my router already does that
[10:43] <trender> ou can drop any linux package on the box via the admin interface "install hdd image"
[10:43] <trender> you = ou
[10:44] <trender> but i think you need to go in via telnet to ./configure packages
[10:45] <trender> off course i know nothing about linux
[10:45] <trender> just have interogated this relic for 2 days
[10:45] <trender> poked around and such
[10:46] <trender> i would very much like to get the NAS working
[10:46] <trender> like install samba and apache
[10:46] <magespawn> lookd like a great little box
[10:46] <magespawn> what is the physical size?
[10:46] <trender> but i dont really know how to install software on this box
[10:46] <trender> lunch box size
[10:48] <trender> its only bix enuf to install the hard disk inside
[10:48] <Kilos> 70g or 80g
[10:48] <magespawn> this page shows all the services that are currently running
[10:48] <magespawn> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8090/server/sstart
[10:49] <trender> correct
[10:49] <trender> ideally i would like it to run NAS and web services
[10:49] <magespawn> looks like if you want to extend the functionality you have install and os in=mage to the drive
[10:49] <magespawn> you know telnet is not secure
[10:49] <magespawn> ?
[10:49] <trender> yes i need some image
[10:49] <trender> yes my telnet is open
[10:50] <trender> im open for suggestions to get this box working
[10:51] <magespawn> is there a hard drive in it now?
[10:51] <Kilos> get an ubuntu iso and install it
[10:51] <trender> 70gb hard drive in it now yes
[10:52] <trender> i wont know how to install ubuntu on this box
[10:52] <Kilos> i didnt know they made 70gB drives
[10:52] <magespawn> it looks like you need to image an active hard drive that has the install as you want it then upload it to the box
[10:52] <Kilos> no dvdrom or nothing
[10:53] <trender> it has no bootable devices
[10:53] <Kilos> cant you plugin an external dvdrom
[10:53] <magespawn> maybe wait till one of the smart guys put their head in
[10:53] <trender> ok brb ok need to get the door
[10:53] <trender> yes i have nothing but time
[10:53] <trender> this is just a hobbie
[10:54] <Kilos> nice
[10:54] <Kilos> retired millionaire?
[10:54] <Kilos> hehe
[10:54] <trender> erm something like that
[10:54] <trender> brb
[10:55] <Kilos> does it do everything online magespawn ?
[10:55] <magespawn> through a web browser, and telnet
[10:55] <Kilos> hi simeon
[10:55] <magespawn> the is a pdf manual here http://is.gd/er7W27
[10:57] <magespawn> and the amazon pictures here http://is.gd/quYcc3
[10:59] <magespawn> trender: do you have the wired only version?
[11:01] <Kilos> it says wireless too and pppoe
[11:02] <magespawn> to get ubuntu running on that you would need the arm version not the standard iso
[11:03] <magespawn> there are two Kilos one with wireless
[11:03] <Kilos> ah
[11:05] <magespawn> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/arm here is the download page
[11:05] <Kilos> i wonder if the wireless one will do 3g
[11:07] <magespawn> the wireless is for wireless lan or WiFi
[11:07] <magespawn> here is the link for the arm install instructions https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Server/Install
[11:09] <magespawn> if trender sets this up http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8090/dyndns then you can access it from anyware all the time
[11:11] <magespawn> looks like a nice little server that
[11:11] <Kilos> hi Georgl
[11:11] <Georgl> hi Kilos
[11:12] <Kilos> yeah it does magespawn
[11:12] <Kilos> aybe with tweaking the wireless one will do 3g
[11:12] <Kilos> or with a buntu install
[11:13] <magespawn> you might be able to run it through one of the usb ports on the back
[11:13] <Kilos> i actually saw a command on how to connect a server to 3g other day but dont ask me where anymore
[11:13] <Kilos> yeah with usb it might work
[11:14] <magespawn> install the ubuntu arm and then use sakis3g to connect, the square one could then handle the routing for the network and teh dyndns would still work too
[11:14] <magespawn> s/teh/the
[11:15] <Kilos> i dunno whats an ubuntu arm
[11:17] <Kilos> superfly: did you look at this thing?
[11:24] <magespawn> Kilos arm is a type of processor like intel pentium
[11:24] <Kilos> ah
[11:24] <Kilos> ty
[11:24] <magespawn> that version of ubuntu is made for that type of processor
[11:24] <Kilos> and they use a different version of ubuntu
[11:24] <Kilos> oic
[11:25] <magespawn> different types of processor do things differently so the software has to be cutomised for it
[11:26] <magespawn> no changes to the interface AFAIK all under the bonnet
[11:26] <Kilos> lekker small server though
[11:27] <superfly> Kilos: at what?
[11:28] <Kilos> whew lotsa scroll back superfly
[11:28] <magespawn> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8090
[11:29] <magespawn> admin an squareone
[11:29] <magespawn> superfly^
[11:33] <trender> ok im back
[11:33] <trender> sorry okes busy day this side
[11:33] <Kilos> np
[11:34] <trender> anyone have any ideas about the lunchbox :) ?
[11:34] <superfly> magespawn: interesting
[11:34] <trender> linuchbox with linux sarmies
[11:35] <Kilos> as magespawn said try install from here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Server/Install
[11:35] <trender> ah that looks promising
[11:35] <trender> designed for arm cores
[11:35] <Kilos> and get a ubuntu cd and install ubuntu alongside your windows
[11:36] <trender> oh yea
[11:36] <magespawn> trender are going to sell them here?
[11:36] <Kilos> then you can use xchat to come here
[11:36] <trender> erm i dont know at present
[11:36] <trender> first i need to get the apps installed
[11:36] <trender> but yea will likely sell them at some stage
[11:37] <Kilos> oh you first want to install everything then sell working boxes?
[11:37] <trender> yea yea
[11:37] <magespawn> cool keep us posted
[11:37] <trender> will do so
[11:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> would it cost less than a raspberry pi?
[11:37] <magespawn> most linux peeps will install their own software
[11:38] <trender> what a rasberry pic costing now ?
[11:38] <trender> pi
[11:38] <Kilos> yeah you might wanna sell some without going to the trouble first
[11:38] <magespawn> $35
[11:38] <trender> can rasberry pi make a nas box ?
[11:38] <magespawn> or there is a site here doing it in rands
[11:38] <trender> no this box im the olnt importer for these products at repsent
[11:39] <trender> only
[11:39] <magespawn> yes but you buy almost everything seperate
[11:39] <magespawn> was talking about the pi
[11:39] <Kilos> so what do they cost?
[11:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> raspberry pi can do almost anything, it was designed to be a learning platform
[11:40] <trender> ah yes ive heard about rasberry pi
[11:42] <trender> sorry im flippen running around like a bluass fly
[11:43] <trender> rasberry pi have a HDD interface ??
[11:43] <confluency> Why, hello again.
[11:45] <Kilos> hi confluency
[11:45] <tumbleweed> no, PIs have USB
[11:45] <magespawn> http://www.pifactory.co.za/
[11:45] <tumbleweed> there aren't many ARM boards with SATA, but they are available
[11:45] <trender> cool man
[11:46] <magespawn> i saw one somwhere brb
[11:47] <magespawn> somebody posted a link here
[11:47] <trender> i spose the students will like the PI
[11:48] <tumbleweed> everybody likes them
[11:48] <trender> ya cool toys
[11:49] <trender> i dont have time to turn the PI into meaningfull toys though
[11:49] <trender> although would very much like to
[11:49] <trender> i will order some fro the students
[11:49] <trender> for
[12:00] <Georgl> trender: are all of your squareone devices you have in need of intalling/reloading the firmware?
[12:01] <trender> erm
[12:01] <trender> the firmware is not really available
[12:01] <trender> itian are not responding
[12:01] <Georgl> ok
[12:01] <trender> its mostly in need of the hard drive image = software packages
[12:02] <trender> like samba and apache
[12:02] <trender> i dont know if i need to install a real linux OS per se
[12:02] <Georgl> may i look around and change some settings?
[12:02] <trender> it has an embedded linux OS
[12:03] <trender> yes play with it by all means
[12:03] <Georgl> ok
[12:03] <Georgl> thank you
[12:03] <trender> thats why its here :)
[12:03] <trender> you can use the telnet as well
[12:08] <magespawn> looks like you could use the preconfigered image here
[12:08] <magespawn> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/precise/release/
[12:08] <magespawn> on your system here http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8090/system/conf_setting
[12:09] <trender> interesting
[12:09] <trender> that part kinda boggles me for now
[12:09] <magespawn> not sure which one it would be though
[12:10] <trender> you and me both :)
[12:10] <trender> this is a new experience for me
[12:11] <magespawn> here is some more info
[12:14] <magespawn> there are three different ones, the first two are about 498MB each are img.gz, so probable need to be extracted first before you use them
[12:14] <magespawn> not too sure so confirm it first
[12:16] <trender> the box automatically does the extractions
[12:16] <trender> i dont controll that process at all
[12:16] <trender> i just point to tar.gz images
[12:21] <trender> the person who comes up with the most creative way of "fixing" this squareone box can have a free box
[12:23] <trender> its just a nice playtoy at present :)
[12:26] <Kilos> trender: do you teach? i see you say students
[12:27] <trender> yes i do teach
[12:27] <Kilos> wb Jabberwocky_
[12:27] <trender> students at KZn mostly i pay for thier practical credits courses
[12:27] <Kilos> ah
[12:28] <trender> i only take one at a time...i dont have a big place at present
[12:29] <trender> each student costs me about 10k for 2 months
[12:30] <trender> else they never gonna find work
[12:30] <trender> the job market is hard
[12:30] <Kilos> whew
[12:30] <trender> nobody wants to employ students
[12:30] <Vince-0> hey trender
[12:30] <trender> yo man
[12:30] <Kilos> even qualified peeps battle for work nowadays
[12:30] <trender> you are right
[12:31] <Vince-0> got any Linux admins?
[12:31] <trender> everyone needs to eat
[12:31] <Kilos> trender: Vince-0 is a durbanite
[12:31] <trender> ok cool mate
[12:31] <trender> nah linux is just a hobby for me at present
[12:31] <Kilos> one of the lug guys
[12:31] <trender> great :)
[12:31] <trender> this lug is new to me
[12:32] <trender> i wasnt sure where you okes was hiding :)
[12:32] <Vince-0> durbanlinux.org.za
[12:32] <trender> i will like to do some linux projects though
[12:32] <trender> as i get up to speed
[12:33] <trender> im more an old school guy asmfreak etc
[12:33] <trender> enjoyed the asm coding
[12:33] <trender> back in the day :P
[12:34] <trender> atmel pic etc
[12:34] <trender> even pcs
[12:34] <trender> but that was years back
[12:35] <trender> i dont do much dev work anymore
[12:35] <Kilos> hehe you also a ballie?
[12:35] <trender> yea man those days i still had hair and teeth :)
[12:35] <Vince-0> what do you teach to students?
[12:35] <Kilos> lol sounds familiar
[12:36] <trender> practical elecronics programming mostly
[12:36] <trender> depends what thier credits call for
[12:36] <Kilos> their
[12:36] <Kilos> we used to have a spell checker but he got busy
[12:37] <Vince-0> nice! join KZN house4hack
[12:37] <trender> im fairly flexible
[12:37] <Vince-0> kzn.house4hack.co.za
[12:37] <trender> :)
[12:37] <trender> ah my typing is very bad
[12:37] <trender> and this vista box is very slow
[12:38] <tonberryE352> of all the versions of windows you could be running...
[12:39] <trender> hehe
[12:39] <trender> yes i know
[12:39] <trender> im just to lazy to fix this box
[12:39] <Kilos> lol just install ubuntu
[12:39] <trender> have to much work here
[12:39] <Kilos> fixes all windows probs
[12:39] <trender> yea you are right
[12:39] <trender> will get there :)
[12:40] <Kilos> install take 25 mins and then an hour or so updating/upgrading
[12:40] <trender> small steps..for an old dog
[12:40] <Kilos> lol how old are you if i may ask?
[12:40] <trender> eish dont ask
[12:40] <Kilos> more than 62?
[12:41] <trender> lets just say i witnessed the birth of the pc
[12:41] <trender> nah not so bad
[12:41] <Kilos> aw i dunno when that was
[12:41] <Kilos> then you younger than me and im not even a pc person
[12:42] <trender> ah well im not a dinosaur :P
[12:42] <Kilos> was a mechanic till i was given a p2 a few years back
[12:42] <trender> so you reinvesnted yerself ?
[12:42] <trender> reinvented
[12:43] <trender> nice
[12:43] <Kilos> and since then have struggled through win 95 98 xp till i was told there is a virus free OS available called linux
[12:43] <trender> hehe yes indeed
[12:43] <trender> the road less travelled
[12:44] <Kilos> and by chance came on ubuntu from a neighbour who had a copy of 8.04
[12:44] <trender> ah ive wanted to do this for many years
[12:44] <trender> ive just not really had the time
[12:44] <trender> to many pans in other fires
[12:44] <Kilos> battled in the beginning till i was informed by the fly to come here and its been wonderful since
[12:45] <trender> yea yea this is a good place to start i think
[12:45] <Kilos> ya but half or more of your time is used up sukkeling with winstinks
[12:45] <trender> the ##linux channel is to hectic
[12:45] <trender> i prefer a smaller crowd
[12:45] <Kilos> yeah this is the most friendly helpful channel of them all
[12:45] <trender> get stepped on less :P
[12:45] <Kilos> and big brains here
[12:46] <trender> yea i bet
[12:46] <Kilos> ubuntu dev guys and python experts and lots more
[12:46] <trender> and chanserv lives here as well :P
[12:46] <Kilos> lol
[12:46] <Kilos> are you here with your browser
[12:47] <trender> no no a mirc client
[12:47] <Kilos> ah
[12:47] <trender> so i can log and digest later
[12:47] <trender> us older folks need to log the brain gets to full :)
[12:48] <Kilos> lol i often have to scroll back and see who said what but mostly thats major work
[12:48] <trender> ya
[12:48] <trender> i prefer one on one chats really
[12:48] <trender> but people think yer gay then :P
[12:49] <trender> or want cybersex
[12:49] <trender> etc
[12:49] <Kilos> i dunno mirc but the irc clients like xchat and quassel have a pm function
[12:49] <Kilos> wait ill try you
[12:49] <trender> yea yea i got private chat
[12:49] <trender> mirc is very strong mature client
[12:49] <tonberryE352> and oh so bloated
[12:50] <trender> yes very bloated
[12:50] <trender> the very nature of its scripting is a double edged sword
[12:50] <Kilos> you can get xchat for win too
[12:50] <Kilos> used to be free
[12:51] <trender> better the devil you know ;)
[12:51] <Kilos> maybe they also want $49 nowadays
[12:51] <trender> at this stage anyway
[12:54] <magespawn> Vince-0: is that a channel or a site?
[12:54] <Vince-0> ey
[12:54] <Vince-0> both are sites
[12:54] <Vince-0> one looks a bit old school
[12:54] <Vince-0> but that's peter's from house4hack
[12:58] <magespawn> cannot load http://kzn.house4hack.co.za/
[13:04] <Kilos> Vince-0: fix it
[13:05] <magespawn> might not be broken
[13:05] <magespawn> lol
[13:08] <Vince-0> ya doesn't look like its online
[14:11] <magespawn> hey HawkiesZA
[14:12] <magespawn> just watched the LTG Chai fm episode
[14:12] <HawkiesZA> Helloski
[14:12] <HawkiesZA> Aha. Which one?
[14:12] <magespawn> 126
[14:15] <magespawn> nice to see 'mainstream' recognition
[14:15] <HawkiesZA> Ah, yeah. My last one for a bit. 125 was also at Chai, though that was somewhat unplanned. I see 125 hasn't been uploaded though. Heads will roll for this!
[14:17] <magespawn> right lol
[14:20] <HawkiesZA> What'd you think?
[14:20] <magespawn> you moving to cape town for work?
[14:20] <magespawn> i liked it
[14:21] <HawkiesZA> haha. Already here.
[14:21] <magespawn> sound was very good
[14:21] <HawkiesZA> And content? :P
[14:21] <magespawn> that does not vary in quality much, if at all
[14:24] <HawkiesZA> heh. So either decent or you're a sucker for punishment
[14:24] <HawkiesZA> I'll take it as a good thing
[14:24] <HawkiesZA> :D
[14:25] <magespawn> i am also married (11 years) with two kids, so maybe the second one is more accurate
[14:26] <Kilos> hi fender
[14:27] <Kilos> sjoe fender and trender
[14:27] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[14:27] <fender> arg ya
[14:27] <Kilos> i go get sheep
[14:27] <fender> need to kill the spook
[14:27] <fender> ok kilos take it easy mate
[14:28] <fender> had a windows moment :P
[14:29] <fender> ah gees now wonder
[14:29] <fender> no wonder
[14:30] <fender> the linux people are telling me windos has exploits lol
[14:30] <magespawn> HawkiesZA: but yes content is good
[14:31] <trender> ok gosh im back
[14:31] <trender> so its hack the new guy time hehe
[14:31] <magespawn> how so ?
[14:32] <trender> i see this network makes you very vulnerable
[14:32] <magespawn> you mean your squareone?
[14:32] <HawkiesZA> magespawn, kewl. Well, if you have comments/feedback/nerdrage, feel free to let 'em know. If it's the first two, I'll be happy to pass on the message
[14:32] <trender> no no even my laptop here
[14:32] <trender> yer ip is very exposed on this network
[14:33] <trender> nice in some ways not in others
[14:33] <magespawn> when you connect to irc it shows your external ip address unless you get a cloak
[14:33] <trender> yes i figured that out now :)
[14:34] <trender> i was just knocked offline a sec ago
[14:34] <magespawn> you  mean from the channel or in general?
[14:34] <trender> moral of the story dont use windoze in a lunux channel lol
[14:34] <trender> no no in general
[14:35] <Kilos> nope , morale is dont use windows anywhere
[14:35] <magespawn> wonder what happened?
[14:35] <trender> general DOS
[14:35] <trender> or something tamer
[14:35] <trender> not an issue really :)
[14:35] <magespawn> there are a few of use here who use windows fro various reasons
[14:36] <trender> yea yea
[14:36] <trender> but this kind of network tends to invite the port scanner kiddies and exploiters
[14:37] <trender> okes with to much time and not enough clue :)
[14:37] <trender> thats so 20yrs ago IMO
[14:37] <trender> the new networks cloak yer ip automatically
[14:38] <trender> well some do some dont
[14:39] <magespawn> indeed, not sure about the reasoning behind the non automatic cloaking
[14:40] <trender> yea something to do with file sharing
[14:40] <trender> dcc services i guess
[14:41] <trender> its better to be exposed in some ways i guess if you know what yer doing
[14:41] <trender> but this laptop is a bit of a flake
[14:47]  * trender yawns
[14:48] <trender> linux makes me tired just thinking about it
[14:48] <trender> its a big step
[14:51] <magespawn> trender: there is lots of info online via google, and peeps here know a lot
[14:52] <magespawn> later all home time
[14:53] <trender> ok cool mate
[14:53] <trender> i will stick around and soak up the possiblities
[14:53] <Kilos> trender: its easier than you think
[14:53] <Kilos> later mage
[14:53] <trender> its just the first tep mate
[14:53] <Kilos> grrr
[14:53] <Kilos> magespawn:
[14:53] <Kilos> lol
[14:53] <trender> first step is the hardest
[14:54] <Kilos> you going about it the hard way thats why
[14:54] <trender> hehe
[14:54] <trender> yea mabee
[14:55] <trender> i will get the idea eventually
[14:55] <trender> its just a foreign concept at present
[14:56] <trender> how them sheep mate....baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad ??
[14:57] <trender> sorry i had to do that :)
[14:57] <trender> i cant imagine looking after sheep
[14:57] <trender> i would love a farm though
[14:58] <trender> and i will buy one soon
[14:58] <trender> but not for annimals
[15:00] <Kilos> hehe
[15:00] <Kilos> they fine today, came half way home on their own
[15:00] <trender> just need a big stock to encourage them ?
[15:01] <trender> stok even
[15:03] <Kilos> lol ya but its getting the stok behind them thats tiriyng
[15:03] <Kilos> tiring
[15:03] <Kilos> other wise they go further
[15:05] <trender> :)
[15:05] <trender> i try not to eat anything with a heartbeat
[15:05] <Kilos> you are supposed to shorten them some first
[15:05] <Kilos> then no heartbeat
[15:06] <trender> meat causes cancer and diseases
[15:06] <Kilos> eish i forgot to announce tonights meet till now on the lists
[15:06] <trender> vegetable reverse diseases
[15:07] <trender> the former is not acceptable to me
[15:07] <Kilos> trender: if you are gonna get the guts to install ubuntu then you must join our mailing list
[15:07] <Kilos> http://bit.ly/MCOujZ
[15:07] <trender> ive got the guts allright
[15:08] <trender> just working on some many projects right now
[15:08] <trender> need to focus on the money taps mostly
[15:08] <trender> i have an extravagant wife :(
[15:08] <Kilos> but you may join now anyway
[15:09] <Kilos> maybe some of the list guys will look into your toy as well
[15:09] <Kilos> lol
[15:09] <trender> yea yea im sure they will
[15:09] <trender> some oke will end up getting one for free
[15:09] <trender> i dont mind giving a few boxes away
[15:10] <Kilos> what do them things cost anyway
[15:10] <trender> i know people will like to play with it
[15:10] <trender> when it was released about 5k i think
[15:10] <Kilos> whew
[15:10] <trender> but thats 7 years back
[15:10] <Kilos> as bad as modern cell fones
[15:10] <trender> i suppose its really what you make of it
[15:11] <trender> suppose you use it to the max it adds value
[15:11] <Kilos> and space
[15:11] <trender> but if you just need a print server mabee it wont make sence
[15:11] <Kilos> the fly uses a P2 as his server
[15:12] <trender> i had some guy give me R5k for 1 unit without question
[15:12] <trender> bbut i have no idea what hes gonna use it for
[15:12] <trender> in fact he wanted to pay 12k
[15:12] <trender> i told him it wasnt ready
[15:13] <trender> guess some okes know what they want
[15:13] <trender> personally i dont know what these can do as yet
[15:14] <trender> its just a smart looking brick to me
[15:14] <Kilos> whew
[15:14] <Kilos> wb maiatoday
[15:14] <trender> he just wanted a NAS box
[15:14] <Kilos> dont forget tonights meeting
[15:14] <trender> i didnt even know what NAS box was :P
[15:15] <Kilos> i still dont
[15:15] <trender> just knew thes where cool toys to have
[15:15] <Kilos> lol
[15:15] <trender> imported 140kg of these machines
[15:15] <maiatoday> Kilos, I have a regular class on mondays from 7:15 to 8:30, I tried to wiggle out of it but I can't. The class used to be on a Tuesday but they moved it
[15:15] <trender> took 31 days to get here
[15:15] <Kilos> oh my maiatoday and whos gonna give info on your agenda item
[15:16] <trender> 2 months if you inclde tha blerry logistics
[15:17] <trender> paid what amounts to R200/unit for the squareone servers
[15:17] <trender> or 20k for this batch
[15:17] <Kilos> ah thats not too bad
[15:17] <trender> nah its ok
[15:17] <trender> the logistics cost more then the items
[15:18] <trender> as it often does
[15:19] <trender> these boxes only cost R50/unit i guess
[15:19] <trender> i cleared them out
[15:19] <trender> now they just got the second generation boxes left
[15:20] <trender> those have wifi
[15:20] <trender> and usb
[15:20] <trender> etc etc
[15:20] <Kilos> ah
[15:20] <Kilos> you shoulda takem them rather
[15:20] <Kilos> mind you for peeps with adsl its ok
[15:20] <trender> ah yes but those would have been hectically expensive
[15:21] <Kilos> ah
[15:21] <Kilos> maybe its possible to upgrade
[15:21] <trender> erm not sure really
[15:21] <trender> perhaps you can
[15:21] <Kilos> add on bits and pieces
[15:21] <trender> but the hardware is different
[15:21] <trender> yes you are right
[15:21] <trender> the sata interface is a start
[15:22] <Kilos> like a usb hub and so on
[15:22] <trender> erm yes
[15:22] <trender> im gonna look into mods
[15:22] <Kilos> evrything has usb today
[15:22] <trender> i was offered 100k for this batch
[15:23] <trender> but i declined
[15:23] <trender> mabee a stupid move i shall wait and see
[15:23] <trender> sometimes you take the cash and run
[15:24] <trender> other times you leverage the tech
[15:24] <Kilos> lol
[15:24] <trender> for instance this bow with a webserver and installed website may add value
[15:24] <trender> box
[15:25] <trender> i have okes who want to take this to the next level
[15:25] <trender> im just in no hurry to roll out a bad egg
[15:25] <trender> i rather try to figure this out slowly
[15:27] <trender> webserver plus fileserver nas would be cool
[15:28] <trender> i dont know yet how big a hard disk its gonna support yet
[15:28] <trender> so i havnt been out shopping yet
[15:28] <trender> and i need 100 drives as well
[15:28] <trender> so thats gonna hurt
[15:29] <Kilos> ouch and ide no longer made here
[15:29] <Kilos> maybe china will havw still
[15:29] <trender> well im gonna convert to sata
[15:29] <trender> yes china still has stock
[15:30] <trender> but i rather go to sata if i can make that reliable
[15:30] <trender> ide technically is more stable
[15:30] <Kilos> that adapter works well
[15:30] <trender> i hope so mate
[15:30] <Kilos> even a pc dont know the diffs
[15:30] <trender> ive used one before
[15:31] <trender> but the adapter fell off the sata drive and it was toasted
[15:31] <trender> serial bus is a funny annimal
[15:32] <Kilos> oh the one ive seen has a cable from the ide plug to the sata plug so its flexible
[15:32] <trender> ya i think some work both ways even
[15:33] <trender> sata>>ide and ide>>sata
[15:33] <Kilos> ive got one of those but it then plugs into a usb port
[15:33] <trender> but from what ive heard the techiese dont like those adapters
[15:33] <trender> ah thats neat man
[15:34] <trender> makes a usb drive minus enclosure
[15:34] <Kilos> yip
[15:34] <trender> very usefull
[15:36] <trender> the rasberry Pi looks interesting as well
[15:36] <trender> ive been looking at this for a long time now
[15:37] <Kilos> the guys love them
[15:38] <trender> yea the gpio make them very versatile
[15:38] <Kilos> gpio?
[15:38] <trender> general purpose io ports
[15:38] <Kilos> ah
[15:38] <trender> the ports that are exposed to the real world
[15:39] <trender> like for displays and keybords etc
[15:40] <trender> rasberry pi can do some hectic stuff with ease
[15:40] <trender> a devellopers toy of course
[15:40] <trender> great for students
[15:40] <trender> nicely priced
[15:41] <trender> but im not gonna make a burglar alarm on it lol
[15:42] <Kilos> lol
[15:42] <trender> mabee a remote coke machine that disciminates its customers
[15:42] <trender> discriminates even
[15:42] <trender> give 2 cokes to the girls 1 to the boys ;)
[15:42] <trender> and take phone numbers ;)
[15:43] <trender> with web based invertory controll
[15:44] <trender> inventory rather
[15:45] <trender> brb i need to check the supper is gonna happen...
[16:22] <nuvolari> o/ aloha
[16:22] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos
[16:23] <Kilos> hi nuvolari
[16:23] <Kilos> is jy en apie reg vir vanaand
[16:26] <nuvolari> ek hoop so oom Kilos :P
[16:26] <nuvolari> apie stoel mos?
[16:26] <Kilos> ya
[16:26] <Trixar_za> Oh hai nuvolari
[16:27] <nuvolari> oh hai Trixar_za
[16:27] <nuvolari> you been good?
[16:28]  * nuvolari prods kbmonkey
[16:29] <nuvolari> gosh, i need to go for new glasses
[16:32] <Kilos> hes not here yet
[16:32] <Kilos> lets hope
[16:32] <Trixar_za> I've been alright
[16:34] <Kilos> yo Trixar_za
[16:34] <Kilos> hi Meesterarend
[16:34] <Meesterarend> Hey guys
[16:34] <Meesterarend> kilos
[16:35] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos and Meesterarend
[16:37] <Meesterarend> hey Trixar_za
[16:46] <Guest4608> fefe
[16:49] <nuvolari> oh hi Meesterarend
[16:49] <nuvolari> gaan dit wel?
[16:49] <Meesterarend> hey nuvolari
[16:50] <Meesterarend> jip
[16:50] <Meesterarend> besig en als
[16:51] <nuvolari> besig is goed
[16:51] <Meesterarend> ja
[16:51] <Meesterarend> maar maandae is soms die ergste
[16:57] <theblazehen> Hi all
[16:57] <nuvolari> hi theblazehen
[16:59] <Kilos> hi theblazehen
[16:59] <theblazehen> Meeting at 19:30 right?
[17:01] <Kilos> yip theblazehen
[17:01] <theblazehen> thanks
[17:08]  * Kilos goes to eat
[17:09] <trender> evening people
[17:10] <kbmonkey_> hello
[17:10] <trender> lo kb
[17:10] <nuvolari> oh hi kbmonkey_
[17:10] <nuvolari> hi trender
[17:10]  * nuvolari tips hat
[17:10] <trender> hi peeps
[17:10] <kbmonkey_> hmm, seems I am logged in twice. brb...
[17:10] <trender> if you want to check out the linux toys its online now
[17:11] <trender> dunno if you okes seen it yet
[17:11] <kbmonkey> hello :]
[17:11] <trender> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8090 admin:squareone
[17:12] <trender> the telnet is also open
[17:12] <trender> have a look play around with it etc
[17:12] <kbmonkey> what linux toys is that trender ?
[17:12] <trender> its a lunchbox server called squareone
[17:13] <trender> with linuc on a arm41 core
[17:13] <trender> linux
[17:13] <trender> a small all in one linux box
[17:14] <kbmonkey> first tim eI heard of a lunchbox server. I like that flipout keyboard
[17:14] <trender> try resist the urge to format the disk :)
[17:15] <trender> the telnet is open as well to play with it
[17:15] <trender> port23
[17:15] <trender> brb eating...
[17:17] <SmilyBorg> good evening all
[17:17] <kbmonkey> hello SmilyBorg
[17:17] <kbmonkey> hello nuvolari
[17:17] <kbmonkey> hello Meesterarend
[17:18] <kbmonkey> ah, niantic approved some of my portals. too bad i don't play ingress anymore, need a larger device than a nexus one.
[17:19] <kbmonkey> fyi the meeting minutes are at http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/560/detail/
[17:19] <kbmonkey> if anyone wants to add any items
[17:20] <charl> good evening
[17:21] <charl> just in time for the meeting i see
[17:21] <Meesterarend> Hey all
[17:21] <charl> hi Meesterarend
[17:21] <kbmonkey> hello charl
[17:21] <charl> hi kbmonkey
[17:21] <Vince-0> im here, between braai tongs
[17:21] <queery> *sniff *sniff
[17:21] <queery> hoi
[17:22] <kbmonkey> hello Vince-0 - how about some braai mushrooms? :]
[17:22] <kbmonkey> hello queery
[17:22] <Vince-0> veges are starter
[17:22] <trender> ok back
[17:23] <queery> hate being sick
[17:23] <charl> feel better soon queery
[17:23] <queery> thanx charl
[17:24] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey SmilyBorg charl queery
[17:24] <trender> anyone figure out how to this linux squareone lunchbox server effectively can have a free one
[17:24] <trender> how to ifx
[17:24] <kbmonkey> hello Kilos
[17:24] <trender> fix
[17:24] <Kilos> you ready monkey?
[17:24] <trender> grr
[17:25] <kbmonkey> are you ready Kilos ?
[17:25] <theblazehen> trender, What do you mean?
[17:25] <kbmonkey> I am :]
[17:25] <Kilos> its your show kbmonkey
[17:25] <charl> hi Kilos
[17:25] <kbmonkey> we still have 5 minutes?
[17:25] <Kilos> im parking off tonight
[17:26] <trender> the aquareone linux server is missing application image files to make it work right
[17:26] <Kilos> yip
[17:26] <theblazehen> trender, ok. BTW telnet wont work
[17:26] <trender> telnet works best on a hyperterminal xp client
[17:26] <trender> telnet is working
[17:26] <theblazehen> oh.
[17:27] <trender> if the telnet not working its yer client thats not lekker
[17:28] <trender> some brighspark linux oke who cracks this sqaureone box gets to keep one
[17:28] <theblazehen> trender, Let me have a look at this then
[17:28] <trender> im open for suggestions as well
[17:28] <queery> hi oom Kilos
[17:28] <trender> go right ahead mate
[17:28] <queery> Maaz, coffee on
[17:28]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[17:29] <queery> Maaz, coffee for all
[17:29] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already
[17:29] <queery> not staying long
[17:29] <queery> feeling horrid
[17:29] <kbmonkey> sugar? gimme the *beans*!
[17:30] <nuvolari> :O
[17:30] <Kilos> Macoffee please
[17:30] <nuvolari> need coffee
[17:30] <Kilos> ai!
[17:30] <Kilos> Maaz: coffee please
[17:30] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[17:30] <nuvolari> I'm going to put the kettle on
[17:30]  * nuvolari sings 'I wanna be a simba chippie...'
[17:31] <Kilos> kbmonkey: time
[17:32] <kbmonkey> roger that
[17:32] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for queery and Kilos!
[17:32] <Kilos> Maaz: danke
[17:32] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[17:33] <queery> Maaz, dankie
[17:33] <Maaz> Groot plesier queery my vriend
[17:33] <nuvolari> Maaz: botbitcoin
[17:33] <Maaz> nuvolari: Huh?
[17:33] <kbmonkey> Maaz, start meeting about Monthly IRC meet 15 April 2013
[17:33]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[17:34] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Welcoming and Introduction
[17:34] <Maaz> Current Topic: Welcoming and Introduction
[17:34] <nuvolari> Maaz: I am Johan Mynhardt
[17:34] <Maaz> nuvolari: Sure
[17:34] <Kilos> Maaz: I am Miles Sharpe
[17:34] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[17:34] <kbmonkey> Maaz, I am Wesley Werner
[17:34] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Done
[17:34] <theblazehen> Maaz I am Jeandre Henderson
[17:34] <Maaz> theblazehen: Alrighty
[17:34] <SmilyBorg> Maaz: I am Una Karlsen
[17:34] <Maaz> SmilyBorg: Alrighty
[17:34] <nuvolari> oh hi SmilyBorg
[17:34] <queery> Maaz, i am Dewald
[17:34] <Maaz> queery: Okay
[17:35] <SmilyBorg> hi nuvolari
[17:35] <kbmonkey> Hello and welcome everyone. You can see today's agenda at
[17:35] <kbmonkey> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/560/detail/
[17:35] <superfly> ohi
[17:35] <queery> can I make a request
[17:35] <kbmonkey> I'm glad to see all of you here :]
[17:35] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[17:35] <Maaz> superfly: Righto
[17:35] <kbmonkey> sure queery
[17:36] <queery> can we move events to the front after admin
[17:36] <kbmonkey> nuvolari, ping
[17:36] <queery> i really don't think I can concentrate
[17:36] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: pong!
[17:37] <Meesterarend> Maaz: I am Frans de Waal
[17:37] <Maaz> Meesterarend: Yessir
[17:37] <kbmonkey> I don't see why not, unless anyone objects?
[17:37] <queery> sorry, I really just need to get into bed
[17:38] <queery> well properly
[17:38] <charl> Maaz: i am Charl van Niekerk
[17:38] <Maaz> charl: Righto
[17:39] <Kilos> inetpro: ping
[17:39] <kbmonkey> okay let's start then
[17:39] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Review previous minutes
[17:39] <Maaz> Current Topic: Review previous minutes
[17:39] <kbmonkey> these are at this auspicious url: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-03-18-17-34-02.txt
[17:39] <Trixar_za> Maaz: I am Brenton Scott
[17:39] <Maaz> Trixar_za: Sure
[17:40] <Trixar_za> Sorry, I was feeling left out
[17:40] <kbmonkey> We spoke about Ubuntu+1 development, I'm not sure if we have anything to add this time round?
[17:40] <kbmonkey> welcome Trixar_za :]
[17:40] <queery> no CD's
[17:41] <kbmonkey> so let's focus on the agreeds. Release parties. we can discuss those in events?
[17:41] <queery> yip
[17:41] <kbmonkey> yes, heard there's no CD's
[17:41] <Kilos> kbmonkey: you gotta start using maaz to shorten links
[17:41] <nuvolari> we didn't start planning one for Durbs yet
[17:41] <kbmonkey> is lionthinker around?
[17:41] <queery> maaz can do that
[17:41] <Kilos> nope
[17:41] <kbmonkey> no but was hoping to catch you tonight nuvolari and we can start initial ideas :]
[17:42] <Meesterarend> Release parties are held long before we get any cd's any way
[17:42] <nuvolari> okies
[17:42] <kbmonkey> SmilyBorg, might be keen too, we will keep everyone informed
[17:42] <nuvolari> May 4th would be a good time
[17:42] <SmilyBorg> yup, I'm keen
[17:42] <superfly> nuvolari: Star Wars day (and mrs_fly_'s birthday)
[17:43] <SmilyBorg> running the beta on 2 machines aready and it's nice
[17:43] <kbmonkey> Rad, okay Lionthinker was talking about Ogg Camp ZA, they're not around so wee will catch up with that later.
[17:43] <nuvolari> superfly: the 4th?
[17:43] <superfly> uhuh
[17:43] <nuvolari> wow, an eventful day!
[17:43] <SmilyBorg> may 4th is the day before my birthday
[17:43] <nuvolari> looks like a party weekend!
[17:43] <queery> ill be in knysna with the boyfriend
[17:44] <queery> for pink loerie
[17:44] <superfly> This just in: Ubuntu site has an updated design: http://www.ubuntu.com/
[17:44] <kbmonkey> anybody wants to add anything for previous minutes? I'll move to the next topic: Events...
[17:44] <superfly> not me
[17:44] <Kilos> hi georgelappies
[17:44] <Kilos> tell the bot who you are
[17:45] <queery> next is admin
[17:45]  * nuvolari checks out oeboentoe.com
[17:45] <queery> and anouncements
[17:45] <kbmonkey> ah true that queery, thanks. been a long Monday ;)
[17:45] <queery> no worries
[17:45] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Administrativia & Announcements
[17:45] <Maaz> Current Topic: Administrativia & Announcements
[17:45] <kbmonkey> I want to announce that this topic name is too long
[17:46] <nuvolari> lol
[17:46] <Kilos> lol
[17:46] <Trixar_za> Agreed
[17:46] <nuvolari> on a good month it takes longer to type administrativia than the topic itself
[17:47] <Kilos> yeah just admin is good
[17:47] <kbmonkey> Also, administrative wise I'ld like soembody else to chair next meeting, but we can decide that at the end.
[17:47] <Kilos> change it quick before the pro gets here
[17:47] <georgelappies> hi Kilos
[17:47] <superfly> anything else to add to admin?
[17:48] <kbmonkey> nothing from my side, the floor is open for announcements from anyone here :]
[17:48] <superfly> kbmonkey: oh, the za. mirror seems to be down at the moment
[17:48] <superfly> use either ubuntu.mirror.neology.co.za or ubuntu.mirror.ufs.ac.za
[17:48] <queery> and mirror.ac.za
[17:49] <superfly> queery: mirror.ac.za is the one that is down
[17:49] <queery> or ftp.sun.ac.za
[17:49] <Kilos> yeah i battled to get twitter in pidgin
[17:49] <Kilos> changed to the uct one
[17:49] <kbmonkey> thanks for the notice, good to know.
[17:49] <queery> webafrica one is also ok
[17:49] <queery> but they are idiots
[17:50] <nuvolari> any iburst people around? :P
[17:50] <kbmonkey> not me
[17:50] <kbmonkey> okay next up...
[17:51] <kbmonkey> oh anybody shout if I move too fast :>
[17:51] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Events
[17:51] <Maaz> Current Topic: Events
[17:52] <kbmonkey> Release parties! 13.04 is due and KZN peeps are keen for some fun.
[17:52] <nuvolari> and an Ubuntu Hour in June
[17:53] <Kilos> tumbleweed: you not here ?
[17:53] <superfly> which I will be attending :-D
[17:53] <nuvolari> which I want to organize if it's OK
[17:53] <kbmonkey> my calcurse shows 2 June is our Ubuntu hour. we still need to decide where.
[17:53] <nuvolari> The fly is attending
[17:53] <nuvolari> :P
[17:53] <kbmonkey> awesome
[17:54] <nuvolari> hmm, Umhlanga or Ballito?
[17:54] <kbmonkey> nuvolari, contact me if you need any help organizing or infos
[17:54] <nuvolari> okidokie thanks kbmonkey
[17:54] <queery> would 27th be to quick to do a release party in jhb
[17:54] <queery> well gauteng
[17:55] <SmilyBorg> nuvolari: just let me know when and where and I'll do some advertising via the DBN-LUG sites
[17:56] <kbmonkey> thanks SmilyBorg :) we'll post on the mail list, if you like the details we can fwd you that too
[17:56] <kbmonkey> the Ubuntu-ZA list*
[17:56] <SmilyBorg> sweet
[17:56] <nuvolari> awesome, thanks SmilyBorg
[17:58] <kbmonkey> we can guess a preliminary release party date, the 4th is out, so the 11th, Sat in May ?
[17:58] <kbmonkey> this can still change
[17:58] <queery> there will be a jhb/pta one just don't know when
[17:58] <kbmonkey> oh and if anyone needs lifts in the Durban region I can help out
[17:59] <SmilyBorg> those dates are good for me
[17:59] <kbmonkey> queery, will you post to the list to get interested partyers for JHB/PTA?
[18:00] <kbmonkey> and nuvolari could handle KZN?
[18:00] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: sure
[18:00] <queery> it's already being discussed privately among the ones who will be organising, but will try
[18:00] <kbmonkey> I'll take charge of bananas and cakes
[18:01] <kbmonkey> that's fine queery, keep us updated :)
[18:01] <queery> will do
[18:01] <kbmonkey> Maaz, agreed Organize release parties for each region (nuvolari & queery)
[18:01] <Maaz> Agreed: Organize release parties for each region (nuvolari & queery)
[18:02] <Kilos> where are the cape guys
[18:03] <kbmonkey> the Ubuntu hour is before the next irc meet, I'll put it in the agenda for completeness.
[18:03] <Trixar_za> I'm in the cape
[18:03] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: will find out from DLUG when most people will be available
[18:03] <Kilos> superfly: you all alone there
[18:03] <Trixar_za> There used to be more of us. I think the rest of them may have killed the rest off
[18:03] <superfly> Kilos: HawkiesZA is now down here with me, I'll drag him along to whatever I go to :-P
[18:03] <kbmonkey> Maaz, agreed Ubuntu hour KZN possibly on the 11th May
[18:03] <Kilos> they used to lead the party and UH things
[18:03] <Maaz> Agreed: Ubuntu hour KZN possibly on the 11th May
[18:03] <Kilos> cool superfly
[18:04] <Kilos> methinks maia gotta start sorting things out there
[18:04] <Kilos> she's too scarce nowadyays
[18:05] <kbmonkey> let's get interested people during the next week, then throw out dates and see who's compatible.
[18:05] <Kilos> nowadays too
[18:06] <kbmonkey> it may be a good idea to post the minutes summary on the G+ page
[18:06] <Kilos> hey Vince-0 you here?
[18:06] <Kilos> just lurking
[18:06]  * kbmonkey will need to fix the car battery this week
[18:07] <Kilos> ai!
[18:07] <kbmonkey> Okay, that is all for events I can think of our side
[18:07] <nuvolari> ack, the corporate year took its toll
[18:08] <nuvolari> we're not hardly as active as before
[18:08] <nuvolari> yeah, I'm not aware of any interesting events
[18:08] <nuvolari> oh wait
[18:08] <nuvolari> the DLUG hangout
[18:08] <nuvolari> I think it's this week
[18:08] <nuvolari> just hang on
[18:09] <kbmonkey> oh yeah, that! I'd love to actually attend one of those
[18:09] <SmilyBorg> the last dates that vince posted were for the 21st
[18:09] <SmilyBorg> though might need to move the the following thursday, making it the 25th
[18:10] <SmilyBorg> I haven't heard anything further
[18:10] <nuvolari> 8ta acting up
[18:10] <nuvolari> just hangi in there
[18:10] <Kilos> ai!
[18:10] <kbmonkey> I feel your pain nuvolari ;p
[18:11] <Kilos> and so slow here
[18:11] <kbmonkey> how about freeze-frame webcam chats for us slowers? ;)
[18:11] <nuvolari> hmm, oh, there wasn't a formal event on google+ yet
[18:11] <nuvolari> let me just find Vince-0's mail
[18:11] <SmilyBorg> not yet
[18:12] <SmilyBorg> there was just a post to the mailing list so far
[18:12] <Meesterarend> I have same here on cellc
[18:12] <kbmonkey> Vince-0, you will let us know when the next DLug hangout happens?
[18:12] <Kilos> za mobile providers are getting bad
[18:13] <Meesterarend> but then I'm using vodacom branded modem...it might make a difference
[18:13] <kbmonkey> most of them are huawei under the branding
[18:13] <nuvolari> The 21st of April is a Sunday. I may move this to the following Thursday if there are no objections. I will make the G+ event a week beforehand and check RSVPs.
[18:13] <nuvolari> Any volunteers who want to take on a subject or category will be appreciated and the notes need some work. Here are the subjects I've come across so far:
[18:13] <nuvolari> - vince
[18:14] <Kilos> hes asleep methinks
[18:14] <kbmonkey> he's at the braai
[18:14] <Kilos> oh ya
[18:14] <nuvolari> link to the topic: https://groups.google.com/d/topic/dbnlug/wJN0SCx6jDE/discussion
[18:14] <kbmonkey> okay let's keep an eye on that, thanks nuvolari :)
[18:15] <queery> sorry fell asleep
[18:15] <queery> ok im off
[18:15] <queery> gnite
[18:15] <nuvolari> o/ cheerz
[18:15] <Kilos> cheers queery
[18:15] <kbmonkey> gn queery, get well
[18:15] <Kilos> get better
[18:15] <inetpro> sorry that I am late
[18:15] <inetpro> Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer
[18:15] <Maaz> inetpro: Yessir
[18:15] <Kilos> wb inetpro
[18:15] <queery> thanx
[18:15] <kbmonkey> wb inetpro.
[18:16] <kbmonkey> fyi the meeting minutes are at http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/560/detail/
[18:16] <nuvolari> oh hi inetpro
[18:16] <Kilos> inetpro: where is maias topic
[18:17] <Kilos> hope we didnt miss it
[18:17] <kbmonkey> for the DLug hangouts, join the community page and you should get notified...
[18:17] <kbmonkey> https://plus.google.com/communities/113353161612042062131
[18:17] <kbmonkey> just in case anybody is watching us ;)
[18:17] <Vince-0> had to put out a small fire
[18:18] <inetpro> Kilos: it's still there at http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/560/detail/
[18:18] <Kilos> you braai in the veld Vince-0 ?
[18:18] <kbmonkey> save us some braai mielies!
[18:18] <Kilos> inetpro: maia cant make it so its your baby to sort
[18:19] <nuvolari> :-/ craving sosatie
[18:19] <Vince-0> in the bos
[18:19] <Kilos> lol
[18:19]  * Kilos waits for ai!
[18:19] <kbmonkey> okay, back on track.. we discussed events, anyone wants to add anything before I move on...
[18:20] <Kilos> aw magespawn not here even
[18:20] <Vince-0> teched is coming up lol
[18:20] <kbmonkey> inetpro, Vince-0, we decided to plan kzn ubuntu hour and release party, and jhb/pta too
[18:20] <Vince-0> kbmonkey: done
[18:21] <kbmonkey> when is teched and how much is entrance? it's been a few years since I went
[18:21] <kbmonkey> that was rhetorical ;)
[18:22] <Vince-0> meh, site is metro style - R6k
[18:22] <kbmonkey> the most fun thing at teched is bluescreening their workstations
[18:22] <Vince-0> 16- 19 april but that price is a nogo
[18:23] <kbmonkey> I'd go to a Linuxed
[18:23] <kbmonkey> hey that name works well
[18:24] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Ubuntu+1 development status and community feedback
[18:24] <Maaz> Current Topic: Ubuntu+1 development status and community feedback
[18:24] <kbmonkey> so I hear there is not going to be CD's distributed
[18:25] <SmilyBorg> not for 13.04 at least. only for LTS
[18:25] <kbmonkey> I guess it will make newcomers start with LTS mostly
[18:26] <kbmonkey> there's no mention of a release date, only April.
[18:27] <kbmonkey> either way we can have those parties
[18:28] <kbmonkey> install parties are for sharing it
[18:29] <kbmonkey> what is the "miscellaneous" agenda item meant for?
[18:29] <kbmonkey> that for items yet to be added? :p
[18:30] <Trixar_za> bbl
[18:31] <Cantide> Maaz: I am Karl Wortmann
[18:31] <Maaz> Cantide: Sure
[18:31] <Cantide> 'o'
[18:31] <Cantide> I missed the meeting! T-Tv
[18:31] <kbmonkey> hello Cantide :)
[18:31] <Kilos> whew
[18:31] <kbmonkey> one more topic left Cantide
[18:32] <Cantide> hello :)
[18:32] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Ubuntu diversity postcards
[18:32] <Maaz> Current Topic: Ubuntu diversity postcards
[18:32] <Kilos> thats the one
[18:32] <kbmonkey> for this one see http://philipballew.wordpress.com/2013/04/03/showcase-the-diversity-of-the-ubuntu-community
[18:32] <inetpro> kbmonkey: miscellaneous is anything else worth mentioning
[18:33] <kbmonkey> inetpro, like waffles? waffles are certainly worth mentioning.
[18:33] <nuvolari> lol
[18:33] <Kilos> lol
[18:33] <inetpro> kbmonkey: I had dinner thank you :-)
[18:34]  * Cantide should send a postcard
[18:34] <superfly> we had waffles the other night
[18:35] <kbmonkey> nuvolari, for our UH we can get some postcards sorted too, like an activity
[18:36] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: ooh, that's an idea!
[18:36] <Kilos> charl: go look so you know what to do
[18:36] <nuvolari> what about 'realtime production'
[18:36] <nuvolari> taking photo's at the event and edit them right there into something usable
[18:36] <kbmonkey> it says a postcard of a picture where we live. if possible we can snap a photo of us in a scenic setting
[18:36] <nuvolari> social editing
[18:37] <nuvolari> oh
[18:37] <inetpro> btw, nuvolari hasn't figured how to copy and paste in ubuntu?
[18:37] <kbmonkey> failing that just preprinted ones will do
[18:37] <nuvolari> inetpro: eh?
[18:37] <kbmonkey> good idea nuvolari
[18:38] <kbmonkey> let's GIMP Tux in with us in the photo
[18:38] <nuvolari> green screen and all :P
[18:38] <inetpro> nuvolari: it's as easy as double-click on a word like administrativia to copy and then middle-click to paste
[18:39] <Kilos> lol told you
[18:39] <nuvolari> inetpro: I'm sure it's quicker to type than navigating a mouse
[18:39]  * nuvolari is quite anti-mouse
[18:39] <nuvolari> :P
[18:39] <kbmonkey> lol
[18:39]  * inetpro forgot that he might be using cli only
[18:40] <inetpro> but even with the cli only it can be done with gnu screen
[18:40] <Kilos> administrativia is a terrible word
[18:40] <nuvolari> people spit fire at me for not using a mouse that often
[18:40] <Cantide> my hand gets sore if i use a mouse to much
[18:40] <kbmonkey> okay lets finish off the meeting then we can debate the better qualities of keyboard navigation :]
[18:40] <Cantide> can't say the same for a keyboard '-'
[18:40] <nuvolari> +1
[18:40] <inetpro> sorry kbmonkey :-)
[18:40] <Cantide> too much *
[18:41] <nuvolari> it's debatable, but you can navigate several times faster using the keyboard and using shortcuts
[18:41] <kbmonkey> Maaz, agreed Send postcards to the Ubuntu diversity project
[18:41] <Maaz> Agreed: Send postcards to the Ubuntu diversity project
[18:41] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Elect chairperson for next meeting
[18:41] <Maaz> Current Topic: Elect chairperson for next meeting
[18:42] <nuvolari> I'll be around
[18:42] <kbmonkey> Can I ask you nuvolari to chair?
[18:42] <nuvolari> if nothing happens to me
[18:42]  * inetpro trying to catch up
[18:42] <nuvolari> sure kbmonkey
[18:42] <Kilos> we accept nuvolari  but that dont mean you stay away again kbmonkey
[18:42] <kbmonkey> I'll be around, I'd just like to swap out the roles a little
[18:43] <kbmonkey> :))
[18:43] <Kilos> hehe
[18:43] <nuvolari> what he actually means is that he's tired of this business :P
[18:43] <Kilos> ty for a good job kbmonkey
[18:43] <kbmonkey> out of interest, anyone else ever thought to give the chair a try?
[18:43] <Vince-0> me,
[18:43] <kbmonkey> think it's a good way to build interest
[18:44] <Vince-0> yar, need commands list
[18:44] <kbmonkey> you can /msg maaz help
[18:44] <nuvolari> vince is a hosting-guru
[18:44] <kbmonkey> or /msg maaz help meet
[18:44] <Vince-0> I have a radio personality/face
[18:45] <nuvolari> agreed! doing it pretty well :D
[18:45]  * nuvolari only sits around and tries to look pretty
[18:45] <Kilos> so decide already
[18:45] <kbmonkey> lol
[18:45] <inetpro> +1 for Vince-0 as chair
[18:45] <nuvolari> +1
[18:46] <Cantide> "1
[18:46] <Vince-0> k
[18:46] <Cantide> err, +1
[18:46] <Kilos> yeah if there no fires in the area
[18:46] <kbmonkey> Vince-0, what do you say? we'll be around for backup if you need
[18:46] <nuvolari> lol
[18:46] <Vince-0> still, Maaz doesn't know what I'm talking about
[18:46] <inetpro> anyone else?
[18:46] <nuvolari> oh, and someone needs to give Vince-0 meeting rights with maaz
[18:46] <nuvolari> not sure who to ask
[18:46] <Vince-0> done deal
[18:47] <Vince-0> man Maaz
[18:47] <kbmonkey> lol
[18:47] <inetpro> yikes, my lag is >30s
[18:47] <kbmonkey> I'm sure we can get Maaz obedient in a month
[18:47] <kbmonkey> Maaz, agreed Vince-0 to chair the next meeting
[18:47] <Maaz> Agreed: Vince-0 to chair the next meeting
[18:48] <nuvolari> Maaz's meeting documentation is not coming up
[18:48] <kbmonkey> if something comes up Vince-0 let us know, no problem
[18:48] <Kilos> dont be late Vince-0
[18:48] <Vince-0> K
[18:48] <Kilos> nearly said vinnie
[18:48] <Kilos> hehe
[18:48] <kbmonkey> I think its about time Kilos tries it too some time ;)
[18:48] <Kilos> nope
[18:48] <Meesterarend> mmm
[18:49] <kbmonkey> okay I'll end off by saying the next meeting is on 20 May 2013
[18:49] <kbmonkey> thanks everyone, it was a blast
[18:49] <Kilos> ty kbmonkey
[18:49] <nuvolari> thanks kbmonkey for running the meeting!
[18:49] <inetpro> kbmonkey: thanks
[18:49] <Kilos> bit overtime but anyway
[18:50] <kbmonkey> 80 mins
[18:50] <kbmonkey> let's blame the lag
[18:50] <kbmonkey> Maaz, end meeting
[18:50] <Kilos> hehe
[18:50] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[18:50] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-04-15-17-33-52.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-04-15-17-33-52.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-04-15-17-33-52.html
[18:50] <kbmonkey> Maaz, help meet
[18:50] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Take minutes of an IRC Meeting. You can use it like this:
[18:50] <Maaz>   (start | end) meeting [about <title>]
[18:50] <Maaz>   I am <True Name>
[18:50] <Maaz>   topic <topic>
[18:50] <Maaz>   (agreed | idea | accepted | rejected) <statement>
[18:50] <Maaz>   minutes so far
[18:50] <Maaz>   meeting title is <title>
[18:51] <kbmonkey> I can't recall who set Maaz up... will find out
[18:51] <Kilos> the crash kid
[18:51] <superfly> anyone else heard of GoMetro?
[18:51] <kbmonkey> so nuvolari I setup i3wm and must say it's too awesome
[18:51] <kbmonkey> it handles dialogue boxes and notifications beautifully
[18:52] <inetpro> my 8ta is absolutely horrible today
[18:52] <nuvolari> ooh, maybe I should try that some time
[18:52] <nuvolari> xmonad handled dialogs terribly
[18:52] <Kilos> yip here too inetpro
[18:52] <nuvolari> my 8ta is not horrible, but there were better days
[18:52]  * nuvolari googles GoMetro
[18:52] <Kilos> for coupla weeks now
[18:52] <kbmonkey> yeah, and snapwm also kept crashing my wm. no problems yet after a week
[18:53] <kbmonkey> you can tell it to open certain windows on specific desktops automatically
[18:53] <kbmonkey> and it includes sexy i3lock
[18:53] <nuvolari> Warning: fopen(http://<IP_ADDRESS>/METROGPP/KZNLIN.PGM) [function.fopen]: failed to open stream: HTTP request failed! HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found in /metrogp/html/router.php on line 24
[18:54] <nuvolari> hmm, I got used to normal windowed windows again
[18:54] <nuvolari> xfce :P
[18:55] <nuvolari> and xscreensaver does what I need :P I don't feel like fiddling too much these days
[18:57] <kbmonkey> Vince-0, are you a part of the UbuntuZA launchpad team?
[18:57] <Vince-0> I think so
[18:57]  * Vince-0 checks
[18:59] <Vince-0> negative, kbmonkey
[18:59] <kbmonkey> hmm, don't see your name in the selection for meeting chair.
[18:59] <Vince-0> registering now
[18:59] <kbmonkey> I just selected myself for now
[19:00]  * Vince-0 is inbetween tasks
[19:00] <kbmonkey> np, you can sort that out at a later time :)
[19:01] <Kilos> nice to see you here again smiley
[19:01] <kbmonkey> yes SmilyBorg :]
[19:01] <SmilyBorg> :-)
[19:01] <Kilos> SmilyBorg
[19:01] <Kilos> whew
[19:02] <Vince-0> hi!
[19:02] <Vince-0> whoot: http://ubuntu-za.org/users/vince-0
[19:02] <kbmonkey> hoorah
[19:04] <Kilos> how come it aint got that ~ in front
[19:04] <nuvolari> superfly: need a proxy? http://<IP_ADDRESS>/METROGP/html/router.php?pgm=http://google.com/ :P
[19:06] <kbmonkey> man this agenda editor is lacking
[19:07] <SmilyBorg> I'm off to bed
[19:07] <Kilos> night SmilyBorg sleep tight
[19:07] <SmilyBorg> needs my beauty sleeps
[19:07] <Kilos> hehe me too
[19:08] <SmilyBorg> night
[19:08] <superfly> nuvolari: I'm "beta" testing their GoMetro 2.0
[19:08] <superfly> it's more like a very bad alpha
[19:11] <kbmonkey> I wonder if I can sync my calcurse with GCalendar. *googles*
[19:12] <Cantide> good night 'o'
[19:12] <kbmonkey> ciao ciao Cantide
[19:13] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: calcurse, ncurses calendar??
[19:13] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:13] <nuvolari> night oom Kilos
[19:14] <Kilos> see youall tomorrow
[19:14] <kbmonkey> gn Kilos
[19:14] <kbmonkey> yes nuvolari, indeed :)
[19:15] <kbmonkey> you can symlink the calcurse file to the cloud between machines. but a google calender sync would be nice. probably could do something with https://code.google.com/p/googlecl/
[19:17] <kbmonkey> so I was stuck the weekend for the car battery failure, and spent some time on MilkyTracker. it's quite addictive
[19:18] <kbmonkey> you know you can make a song in 25KB? amazing.
[19:23] <superfly> I did that way back when
[19:25] <kbmonkey> I still have a song of yours superfly, eternal joy. what was that one made it?
[19:26] <superfly> no, that was made using FL studio
[19:27] <superfly> just pm'ed you 2 songs I made using Impulse Tracker, I think
[19:27] <kbmonkey> thanks :)
[19:29] <superfly> I have a bunch more, but I didn't want to totally embarrass myself on SoundCloud
[19:30] <magespawn> evening all
[19:30] <kbmonkey> lol. I embarrassed myself on my domain ;P
[19:30] <superfly> hey magespawn
[19:30] <kbmonkey> noise.darknet.co.za
[19:30] <kbmonkey> old stuff using Psycle
[19:30] <kbmonkey> hello magespawn
[19:42] <charl> nn all
[20:24] <magespawn> how was the meeting
[20:24] <magespawn> ?
[20:30] <Vince-0> K
[20:30] <Vince-0> from kbmonkey: AGREED: Organize release parties for each region
[20:30] <Vince-0> AGREED: Ubuntu hour KZN possibly on the 11th May (TBA)
[20:30] <Vince-0> AGREED: Send postcards to the Ubuntu diversity project
[20:35] <magespawn> kind of meant in a general way
[20:35] <magespawn> buy ty
[20:47] <Vince-0> arr
[20:47] <Vince-0> I am a pirate 'cos a pirate is free
[20:48]  * Vince-0 has Alestorm playing
[20:48] <Vince-0> anyways, I was inbetween a few things during - now I'm chair for next meet
[20:48] <magespawn> cool beans
[20:48] <Vince-0> aand now its time for beds
[20:48]  * Vince-0 bows out
[20:49] <magespawn> do what you want 'cause a pirate is free
[20:50] <magespawn> good night all
[21:10] <trender> eish
[21:10] <trender> night mage
[21:14] <trender> maaz: ?
[21:14] <Maaz> trender: Sorry...
[21:14] <trender> ok then
[21:15] <trender> maaz: hello
[21:15]  * Maaz waves to trender
[21:15] <trender> maaz: help
[21:15] <Maaz> trender: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff.
[21:15] <Maaz> Ask me "help me with ..." for more details.
[21:16] <trender> maaz: help me with washing the dishes
[21:16] <Maaz> trender: I'm afraid I don't know what you are asking about. Ask "what can you do" to browse my features.
[21:17] <trender> maaz: help me with delivering messages
[21:17] <Maaz> trender: I use the following features for delivering messages: memo and summon
[21:17] <Maaz> Ask me "how do I use ..." for more details.
[21:18] <trender> maaz: how do i use memo
[21:18] <Maaz> trender: Keeps messages for people. You can use it like this:
[21:18] <Maaz>   my messages
[21:18] <Maaz>   message <number>
[21:18] <Maaz>   my messages for <person> [on <source>]
[21:18] <Maaz>   (tell|pm|privmsg|msg|ask) <person> [on <source>] <message>
[21:18] <Maaz>   forget my (first|last|<n>th) message for <person> [on <source>]
[21:18] <trender> maaz: how do i use summon
[21:19] <Maaz> trender: Get the attention of a person via different source. You can use it like this:
[21:19] <Maaz>   summon <person> [via <source>]
[21:19] <trender> hrm...cute bot


[18:02] <newltsp> Hey guys i just created an edubuntu ltsp server
[18:03] <newltsp> everything is working fine. I wanted to know how to make my server store users home dirs in a nfs server?
[18:08] <newltsp> Guys please help


[12:32] <krzk> hi all, anyone able to use mattermost?
[12:32] <krzk> I have timeouts :(
[12:33] <krzk> ah, it was VPN, works now


[06:11] <_Anna_> How can I close a program skipping its auto-save? The command kill doesn't do that and unplugging the computer isn't practical :/
[06:13] <well_laid_lawn> _Anna_:  tried   kill -9   ?
[06:14] <_Anna_> what -9 means
[06:15] <well_laid_lawn> kill it without waiting for it to do its' shutdown thing
[06:16] <well_laid_lawn> if the program catches sighup, sigterm etc there might not anything you can do
[06:19] <Andrio> It sends SIGKILL instead of SIGTERM, which doesn't give the process a chance to intercept it
[06:19] <_Anna_> "kill -9 pid" ?
[06:24] <well_laid_lawn> yep
[06:24] <_Anna_> I think that worked! Thank you
[06:25] <volkov> 00
[06:25] <volkov> sry
[06:25] <volkov> was cleaning doritos off my keyboard and typed accidentally #truestory
[06:40] <Andrio> 0.0
[10:22] <jalt> Hi, the most up-to-date link to the current 16.04.6 iso is http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/xenial/daily-live/current/ right? Is the expected release date the same as base Ubuntu (Feb 28th)?
[15:37] <xubuntu96w> that does not work
[17:10] <Furycd001> When trying to remove dejavu fonts with apt, it also wants to remove xubuntu-core & xubuntu-desktop. Is it safe to remove these or is there a better way to remove dejavu fonts from my system ??
[17:17] <gnrp> Furycd001: Rather not do it
[17:18] <gnrp> these two packages are meta packages which might get very important in case of an upgrade
[17:19] <Furycd001> Ok thanks. Yea I thought something like that, which is why I wanted to check here. Anyway.. Is there a way to remove dejavu fonts from my system without removing those packages ??
[17:20] <Furycd001> I'm trying to clear out all unused & unnecessary fonts from my system....
[17:21] <gnrp> dejavu is the standard font, isn't it?
[17:21] <Furycd001> I assume so because it's linked to and installed with xubuntu packages.
[17:22] <gnrp> I doubt there is a nice way to do it. When xubuntu-core depends on it, it is "required" by the system
[17:22] <Furycd001> Hmmmm guess so....
[17:23] <Furycd001> It's so annoying whenever you're in gimp looking for a font and have to scroll past all those never used fonts....
[17:23] <gnrp> indeed, that's true. Personally, I search the fonts by using the keyboard, then
[17:23] <gnrp> and isn't a big part of it downloaded by the browser anyway?
[17:23]  * gnrp has reading about fonts and how they work in linux on his todo list for a looong time
[17:27] <Furycd001> Not really sure to be honest. I'd use my keyboard to search for fonts too if i know which one i want to use. Though sometimes I decide on the font by looking at the preview box....
[17:27] <gnrp> indeed, true. But if you e.g. installed the bigger dejavu package, you can remove that in favor of the other one
[17:31] <Furycd001> Yea that's true....
[17:32] <Furycd001> Thanks for the help :)
[17:36] <gnrp> no bother, have fun!


[01:34] <rento> I am having trouble booting into my xubuntu system, when I installed the os I used lvm and encryption. Now when I boot that system up I get the prompt to unlock the drive and enter the password. but then it fails to busybox initrams. I tried to use the fsck command but that also just says fsck from util-linux 2.34
[04:33] <xu-irc28w> Hello, has anyone had problems with external wireless switches? I recently installed xubuntu on an old computer of mine, but its wireless switch doesn't work anymore. If I turn it on it still stays red. It used to work on windows but now it doesn't turn on with xubuntu. I reset the BIOS settings to default and tried sudo rfkill unblock all but
[04:33] <xu-irc28w> apparently everything is already unblocked. The computer is an HP Pavilion dv6105us. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
[04:37] <diogenes_> xu-irc28w, secure boot on?
[04:43] <xu-irc28w> no, I don't think the BIOS settings of the laptop even have a secure boot option
[04:45] <diogenes_> xu-irc28w, run: lspci -nnk | grep Net -A3 | nc termbin.com 9999
[04:45] <diogenes_> share the url
[04:46] <xu-irc28w> nc: getaddrinfo for host "termbin.com" port 9999: Temporary failure in name resolution
[04:47] <diogenes_> ok then just
[04:48] <diogenes_> !pastebin
[04:50] <xu-irc28w> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZdDns8cYsW/
[04:51] <diogenes_> xu-irc28w, firts you run: lspci -nnk | grep Net -A3
[04:51] <diogenes_> and pastebin the output.
[04:52] <diogenes_> first*
[04:56] <xu-irc28w> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/p3g2Y9NpVV/ this is the output
[05:02] <diogenes_> xu-irc28w, run: sudo apt purge bcmwl-kernel-source
[05:02] <diogenes_> tell me when done
[05:08] <xu-irc28w> done, got an error https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kWKrRjRhRq/
[05:09] <diogenes_> now run: sudo apt install firmware-b43-installer
[05:11] <xu-irc28w> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/txqBhJHTKp/
[05:13] <diogenes_> sudo apt update && sudo apt install firmware-b43-installer
[05:14] <diogenes_> same result?
[05:14] <xu-irc28w> yeah
[05:15] <diogenes_> what Xubuntu version?
[05:16] <xu-irc28w> 18.04, the laptop is 32-bits
[05:17] <diogenes_> !eol
[05:18] <xu-irc28w> I knew about eol but it was the latest xubuntu version supporting 32 bit architecture. Should I try installing another distro?
[05:19] <Unit193> You could look into Debian?  It still has 32bit.
[05:21] <xu-irc28w>  I'll check it out. thanks for trying though
[05:22] <diogenes_> xu-irc28w, https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-10.9.0-i386-xfce+nonfree.iso
[05:23] <diogenes_> download that, write to an USB drive, boot live and see if wifi works.
[05:24] <xu-irc28w> ok, it's the latest version right?
[05:26] <diogenes_> yep latest stable.
[05:27] <xu-irc28w> alright thanks have a nice one
[05:28] <Unit193> At this point I'd likely just install bullseye, avoids a release jump and it's rather close to release.
[05:29] <diogenes_> no clue how stable D11 is at this point.
[08:31] <xu-help3w> so I tried to install Xubuntu <IP_ADDRESS> on a VMware 16.x virtual machine, and it came up with an error message.
[08:31] <xu-help3w> my VM's specs are: 512MB memory, 1 processor core active, 28GB SCSI hard disk, SATA disc drive, and 3D acceleration disabled.
[08:32] <Maik> you need at least 2GB memory to let it run smooth 3 to 4 GB would be even better
[08:33] <xu-help3w> ok I'll try that
[08:33] <Unit193> 512 is going to have issues unpacking the initramfs with both amd and intel firmware in there, I suggest at least 1G, more if you ever plan on opening a browser or libreoffice.
[08:33] <pmjdebruijn> xu-help3w: 512MB will work for a server install, not a desktop, essentially
[08:35] <xu-help3w> thank you guys that worked
[14:34] <xu-irc81w> Je veux un clavier suisse français et non suisse allemand. Comment faire  ? Merci pour votre réponse
[14:42] <diogenes_> !fr
[16:50] <LINUXUBUNTU-BRAN> Need help. >> I have 2 OS on 2 different drives with GRUB Dual Boot WINDOWS ---- Ubuntu, Linux >>> I want to connect remotely to either/or vise versa doesnt matter thru which OS
[16:58] <CoronaZero> Have you installed os-prober?
[16:58] <LINUXUBUNTU-BRAN> Yes. i have grub setup
[17:03] <LINUXUBUNTU-BRAN> I can Dual Boot on PowerUP... I need access to my other OS using it Remotely, for programs. OS Prober is used for installing config GRUB for dual booting and choosing an OS on boot...thats already done... i need access to both... hence why i want to access One while on the other.
[17:03] <LINUXUBUNTU-BRAN> I'm thinking maybe a Virtual Machine
[17:04] <LINUXUBUNTU-BRAN> With Windows already installed, config'd. and ready maybe VM will see it as such and I can use it remotely as so.
[17:05] <CoronaZero> Ah,you can try virtualbox or vmware(I'm sorry that my English is very poor...
[17:08] <CoronaZero> I often use virtualbox.
[17:23] <pmjdebruijn> LINUXUBUNTU-BRAN: it's really not sure exactly what you're looking for
[17:23] <pmjdebruijn> LINUXUBUNTU-BRAN: maybe VNC?
[17:23] <pmjdebruijn> uhm
[17:23] <pmjdebruijn> oh wait
[17:23] <pmjdebruijn> virtualbox/vmware/kvm will not easily boot an OS from a different partition
[17:24] <pmjdebruijn> if anything kvm will be the most likely candidate
[17:24] <pmjdebruijn> LINUXUBUNTU-BRAN: it's a bit unclear why you would want this
[17:25] <pmjdebruijn> if you just have a few windows programs you need, it would probably make more sense to install a VM (kvm?) instead of dual booting at all
[17:26] <pmjdebruijn> you might want to elaborate on your actual usecase
[18:22] <Maik> if LINUXUBUNTU-BRAN returns then tell him not to cross post the same question in every channel
[22:04] <a1fa> is there a way to modify the XFCE config without starting X?
[22:08] <gnrp> a1fa: Check out the ~/.config/xfce4* directories
[22:16] <a1fa> gnrp: re those binary?
[22:16] <gnrp> a1fa: No, it's plaintext files (xml or other formats)
[22:16] <a1fa> hm
[22:16] <gnrp> you have to say what you actually want to change
[22:16] <gnrp> I'm off to bed now, though. gn8 ;)
[22:17] <a1fa> no clue.. i am having crashes - cant start xfce over lightdm+tigervnc
[22:17] <a1fa> it's complaining about llvmpipe
[23:50] <abapps> part


 I can contact canonical to do it.
[10:28] <infoturtle> on a side note, we're having trouble getting getting the unity pack here, how do you get packages
[10:29] <infoturtle> ebel, that wasn't me
[10:30] <infoturtle> there was talk about it but I didn't ask for it
[10:30] <ebel> ah ok
[10:30]  * ebel is getting confused with names
[10:31] <infoturtle> I know, we should talk this over at the next meeting and have one go to guy for it
[10:33] <ebel> i have emailed canonical hosting to tell them that our website is down
[10:33] <infoturtle> ebel, do you know how we can get the unity package to work on a bug?
[10:33] <infoturtle> cool, let us know what they say about it
[10:34] <ebel> what unity package?
[10:34] <ebel> do you want the source code?
[10:34]  * ebel tries to get empathy working with video char
[10:34] <ebel> *chat
[10:35] <infoturtle> ha ha, I'm not sure, the bug says it is on the unity package but that would seem a bit big to work on
[10:42] <ebel> airurando1 is going to try
[10:49] <ebel> huh
[10:49] <ebel> apparently ye/someone did it all ready
[10:50] <infoturtle> ya, I just nabbed it, it won't work for trevorpower for some reason but I can get it using the same command
[11:01] <ebel> this the unity thing?
[11:01] <ebel> you know anything about the website?
[11:01] <ebel> we're looking at it now
[11:14] <airurando1> infoturtle: do you know anything about the new.ubuntu-ie.org on the blacknight account?
[13:10] <czajkowski> aloha
[13:11] <czajkowski> hows folks
[13:27] <slashtom> hey cztab
[13:32] <czajkowski> slashtom: hey
[13:32] <czajkowski> ebel: did you report the ubuntu-ie.org down in a RT ?
[13:32] <ebel> czajkowski: yes
[13:32] <ebel> no reply yet
[13:32] <czajkowski> cant see any vanguard on
[13:33] <czajkowski> ts the weekend
[13:33] <czajkowski> will just have a look for the number
[13:33] <czajkowski> and see if I cna go and poke someone
[13:33] <czajkowski> ebel: did you do it via email or logging into RT.u.c ?
[13:33] <ebel> email
[13:33] <ebel> i have a ticket number
[13:34] <czajkowski> oh whats the number please ?
[13:35] <ebel> #17848
[13:37] <czajkowski> cheers
[13:39] <czajkowski> how's ye
[13:49] <ebel> eh, grand
[13:49] <ebel> only me slashtom and airurando here in dublin
[13:49] <ebel> you?
[13:51] <czajkowski> here working oneiric in the apt
[13:51] <czajkowski> no global jams in the UK
[14:02] <ebel> you haven't set one up? :P
[14:03] <czajkowski> not my call
[14:03] <czajkowski> AlanBell: area not mine
[14:16] <AlanBell> I am at a family thing, anyone could habe done one, nobody did
[14:18] <czajkowski> indeed
[14:37] <thethomaseffect> ebel:  ping!
[14:37] <ebel> thethomaseffect: pong
[14:38] <thethomaseffect> ebel:  Are we ready to move to the blacknight hosting yet? :)
[14:38] <ebel> thethomaseffect: well, me and airurando were looking at it
[14:39] <ebel> drupal is installed and partially configured on the blacknight hosting
[14:39] <ebel> as new.ubuntu-ie.org
[14:39] <ebel> and we were wondering about that
[14:39] <ebel> do you know anything about that?
[14:40] <thethomaseffect> That partial install would have been me
[14:40] <thethomaseffect> but I was using the direct path at the time
[14:40] <ebel> we were looking at it by editing our /etc/hosts, however only the front page works.
[14:41] <thethomaseffect> there was some wierd issues, html test page loaded fine, but not php ones for drupal
[14:41] <thethomaseffect> So I said I'd wait until domain was setup
[14:43] <ebel> have you changed your /etc/hosts file? that'd be like changing the domain just for you?
[14:45] <thethomaseffect> Nope
[14:45] <thethomaseffect> I have my own hosting at thomasgeraghty.me now
[14:45] <ebel> cool
[14:46] <thethomaseffect> So if infoturtle is up for it I can start on new site, then once domain has been repointed I can use the migration addon to move everything over
[14:46] <ebel> we looked at the drupal on the blacknight thing and you can't click on any of the links
[14:46] <thethomaseffect> can't install addons on current hosting unfortunetly :(
[14:46] <thethomaseffect> yeah forget about that
[14:46] <thethomaseffect> would need a fresh install once domain is setup
[14:47] <thethomaseffect> It's a blacknight thing I think, php isn't running because there's no damain maybe
[14:47] <ebel> see, we didn't really know what to do with the drupal install there.
[14:48] <ebel> we didn't want to delete it without telling you, but it sounds like you'd be OK with deleting what's there.
[14:48] <thethomaseffect> Yeah go ahead
[14:48] <ebel> PHP is running, there's no way for a hosting company to know (a) what domain you are going to use on a hosting plan and (b) what the DNS for it is pointing to.
[14:49] <thethomaseffect> Also, I suggested before moving to wordpress?
[14:49] <ebel> Since the DNS resolving is done on the client (web browser) end.
[14:49] <thethomaseffect> easier to maintain if everyone was cool with it
[14:49] <thethomaseffect> ebel:  Networking ain't my strongest point :)
[14:51] <ebel> :)
[14:51] <ebel> You should be able to change you /etc/hosts file to point to the blacknight hosting, and that should be as if the domain has been repointed
[14:51] <ebel> and it should all Just Work for you.
[14:53] <thethomaseffect> on windows right now
[14:53] <ebel> well, what do you want to do with the website? Do you still want to/have the time to do the website.
[14:53] <ebel> Cause airurando can be a fallback if needed.
[14:53] <thethomaseffect> Yes and yes
[14:53] <ebel> If you're still cool with doing it, then we can sort out the DNS
[14:53] <thethomaseffect> not that I'll get mad if airurando want to do it
[14:54] <thethomaseffect> I'd just rather get the DNS sorted since the site isn't much work besides
[14:54] <ebel> grand, i'll contact canonical to change the DNS, and I can leave the rest up to you?
[14:54] <thethomaseffect> and it's down now anyways :P
[14:54] <ebel> yeah, I've contacted canonical about it being down.
[14:54] <thethomaseffect> Ah grand
[14:55] <ebel> windows has a /etc/hosts file :P http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hosts_(file)
[14:55] <thethomaseffect> Only problem I can think of is I'm going up to my new house for college on Monday and might be offline for a new days
[14:55] <ebel> Being able to 'pretend' that a website is live is great for doing web development.
[14:55] <thethomaseffect> but I should be able use computers in college
[14:55] <thethomaseffect> which is 5 mins away
[14:55] <thethomaseffect> heheh
[14:56] <czajkowski> ebel: I've not sent that mail to RT re the website
[14:56] <czajkowski> any ide awhen I can send it ?
[14:56] <ebel> You're not going to have a laptop/internet access ? How will you cope? :P
[14:56] <thethomaseffect> I know right? :)
[14:56] <slashtom> 3G dongle, android tethering?
[14:57] <thethomaseffect> Oh yeah, I have my android :P
[14:57] <ebel> czajkowski: well looks like you'd be good to send it now? right thethomaseffect?
[14:57] <thethomaseffect> That's be great with me
[14:57] <thethomaseffect> that'd* even
[14:57] <ebel> send czajkowski, send!
[15:01] <czajkowski> ok
[15:01] <czajkowski> senting now
[15:01] <thethomaseffect> Why does this chan have no ops?
[15:01] <czajkowski> thethomaseffect: we do
[15:01] <czajkowski> but it's impolite to be opped up when not needed
[15:01] <czajkowski> just an ubuntu politeness
[15:01] <thethomaseffect> Ah ok :)
[15:02] <ebel> you can see who has ops on a channel in freenode by talking to ChanServ
[15:03] <airurando> thethomaseffect: could you use drupal.org/project/udtheme-2010 as the theme for the new website
[15:04] <thethomaseffect> czajkowski linked some official one on the ubuntu site for loco teams but yup
[15:05] <thethomaseffect> that is for drupal 6, think it will work fine though
[15:05] <airurando> it might be the same one
[15:05] <airurando> but go with czajkowski s recommendation if not
[15:06] <airurando> afternoon trevorpower
[15:06] <airurando> was it just you and infoturtle in Limerick?
[18:15] <czajkowski> moonpie: ping
[20:38] <thejetset> Hey guys! :) Nice to meet some of you earlier today at TOG