[01:24] <G> hads: hey, thanks for the indirect Nexus 4 recommendation 5d 4h on battery, still 7% of juice left ;)
[01:29] <ajmitch> G: I've found the battery life to be pretty decent on the N4
[01:29] <ajmitch> 5d is doing well though
[01:36] <hads> G: Welcome :) I don't remember doing it. I really like mine, just bought another one the other day.
[01:36] <hads> Well, apart from the over-Googled nature of Android in general I like it.
[01:41] <G> yeah, I'm no Google fan, but once you tell Gmail (my old gmail account has turned into a Spam/Scam trap) not to sync et al it works great
[19:22] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:31] <ajmitch> morning
[21:12] <thumper> morning
[21:22] <olly> morning
[21:30] <mwhudson> morning
[21:39] <hads> morning


[18:11] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:54] <olly_> morning
[22:55] <chilts> morning, just
[23:55] <olly_> the url in topic doesn't work
[23:56] <olly_> http://ubuntu-nz.org that is


[00:06] <thumper> wgrant: beuno told me earlier to, so why not?
[00:08] <matsubara> wgrant, what's the bug? beuno is currently working on a fix for the questions page and a translation page. See https://dev.launchpad.net/LaunchpadTestPlan/2.2.6
[00:10] <wgrant> matsubara: Bug #392333 and bug #392335
[00:12] <matsubara> thanks wgrant
[00:23] <matsubara> wgrant, what are bug action pages?
[00:26] <wgrant> matsubara: Something that is going to send email.
[00:26] <wgrant> Let me find an example..
[00:27] <wgrant> +addbranch is one.
[00:27] <matsubara> wgrant, thanks
[00:28] <xteejx> Hi guys, I keep having recurring problems with LP with a "Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server." message keep coming up, it's not really a *problem* as such, more of an annoyance, just making you aware in case there is a developing server problem :)
[00:30] <wgrant> xteejx: launchpad.net, bazaar.launchpad.net, or edge.launchpad.net?
[00:30] <xteejx> wgrant, standard lp.net
[00:31] <matsubara> xteejx, do you have the URL for the page?
[00:31] <xteejx> sure
[00:31] <xteejx> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.component=1&field.component=2&field.component-empty-marker=1&field.has_no_package.used=&field.has_patch.used=&field.importance%3Alist=Undecided&field.omit_dupes=on&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.owner=&field.searchtext=&field.status%3Alist=New&orderby=-datecreated&search=Search&start=13200
[00:33] <matsubara> xteejx, wfm. do you get those errors always on that page?
[00:35] <xteejx> no just randomly, i am triaging old bugs with assigned packages, and working in reverse order to get rid of the old ones, so maybe its because i keep refreshingn after doing 3 of them. Its not really a problem I'll just try later, just thought I should let you guys know in case there's a developing problem thats all :)
[00:41] <wgrant> matsubara: I can reproduce, but only around ~1/20 failed for me.
[00:42] <wgrant> (not that same URL, of course)
[00:42] <wgrant> It takes a very long time, then dies with the usual 502.
[00:43] <matsubara> wgrant, I suppose you don't get an OOPS for that, do you?
[00:44] <matsubara> or is it that mis-aligned page?
[00:44] <wgrant> matsubara: No, it's Squid or Apache, not the app itself.
[00:44] <wgrant> It is the misaligned page, yes.
[00:44] <matsubara> ah ok. those are trickier to debug
[00:45] <wgrant> They are.
[00:45] <wgrant> I'll see if the headers give anything useful...
[00:47] <wgrant> Hmmm.
[00:51] <wgrant> matsubara: The 502 is from Apache, and has no Via header. There's nothing else useful in the headers.
[00:57] <matsubara> wgrant, I'm pretty sure we have a bug reported about it but I can't find
[00:58] <wgrant> matsubara: About what? It looks like an appserver is dead.
[00:58] <matsubara> wgrant, about something going on between apache and the app server and the user getting the "sorry, can't connect" page
[00:59] <wgrant> matsubara: Ah.
[00:59] <matsubara> I remember adding a dump from live http headers to the report, but I can't find it :-(
[01:03] <wgrant> Isn't it more likely that an appserver is just hung?
[01:07] <matsubara> wgrant, could be, but if it was the losas would be here already
[01:08] <wgrant> matsubara: Ah...
[01:43] <wgrant> matsubara-dinner: It looks like appserver C is broken.
[01:50] <Ampelbein> hi. I have a question about python-launchpad-lib: Is it possible to search for bugs created after a specific date? e.g. (fakecode): "buglist = launchpad.distributions['ubuntu'].searchTasks(tags="apport-package", bug_creation_date>"05012009")
[01:51] <wgrant> Ampelbein: Not directly, but you can order by creation date and stop when you see one early enough.
[01:52] <Ampelbein> wgrant: nice suggestion, haven't thought of that. thanks!
[02:08] <matsubara> wgrant, how can you tell?
[02:09] <wgrant> matsubara: Well, you might notice a few keyboard-mash 404 OOPSes when you look at the reports tomorrow...
[02:12] <matsubara> wgrant, what do you mean by keyboard-mash?
[02:13] <matsubara> hmm just got one "Please try again" myself
[02:13] <wgrant> matsubara: I caused a few dozen 404s with a Launchpad referrer, which gave me a few OOPSes from all appservers except C.
[02:17] <thewrath> hey guys with bzr or svn any way to find the number of modified lines
[02:17] <thewrath>  svn diff | grep "^+" | grep -v "^+++" | wc -l  gives you added lines
[02:18] <thewrath>  svn diff | grep "^-" | grep -v "^---" | wc -l is removed
[02:18] <thewrath> but i need modified lines and unmodified lines
[02:18] <wgrant> How do you distinguish modified vs. a removal and an addition?
[02:19] <thewrath> the --- is removed and +++ is added
[02:20] <lifeless> diffstat may be more useful for you
[02:20] <thewrath> diffstat?
[02:21] <wgrant> Give diffstat a diff, and it will spit back the diff's stats.
[02:22] <thewrath> diffstat?
[02:22] <thewrath> what is that
[02:22] <thewrath> svn diffstat
[02:22] <thewrath> ?
[02:23] <wgrant> thewrath: svn diff | diffstat
[02:24] <thewrath> here is my command right now
[02:25] <thewrath> svn diff -r 6:7 mikesats | grep "^-" | grep "^---" | wc -l
[02:25] <thewrath> for removed lines
[02:25] <thewrath> so i would do svn diff -r 6:7 mikesats | diffstat | grep "^-" | grep "^---" | wc -l ?
[02:26] <wgrant> No. Have a look at diffstat's output.
[02:26] <thewrath> svn diff -r 6:7 mikesats | diffstat
[02:26] <thewrath> ?
[02:27] <wgrant> thewrath: Yes.
[02:27] <thumper> wgrant: diffstat doesn't give modified counts
[02:27] <wgrant> thumper: Because there's no such thing as a modified line.
[02:27] <thewrath> what do you mean
[02:27] <thumper> wgrant: you can do more analysis to determine it
[02:27] <thumper> but most tools don't
[02:27] <wgrant> matsubara: So, can anything be done about lpnet3 before London wakes up?
[02:28] <wgrant> thumper: Doing such analysis is probably crazy.
[02:28] <thumper> not necessarily
[02:28] <thumper> I've seen it done
[02:28] <thumper> kdiff3 was good at that
[02:28] <thewrath> thumper: have any pre defined scripts for that
[02:28] <thumper> thewrath: no
[02:28] <thewrath> wat is kdiff3?
[02:28] <thumper> kde based gui diff tool
[02:28] <thewrath> still in respository?
[02:28] <thumper> I don't think it made the leap to kde4 though
[02:28] <thumper> perhaps
[02:29] <thewrath>  so right now i can only find delete and added then
[02:29] <thewrath> ?
[02:29] <thewrath> there is no way to identify modified lines
[02:30] <wgrant> diffs don't work like that.
[02:30] <thewrath> ok
[02:30] <wgrant> The application would have to guess which were modified and which were replaced.
[02:30] <wgrant> And I don't like applications that guess.
[02:30] <lifeless> wgrant: added and removed lines are guesses too
[02:30] <thewrath> so added and removed are the two i can figure out with --- and +++
[02:31] <wgrant> lifeless: Mm, true.
[02:31] <lifeless> thewrath: so as I said before, why are you doing this. Not 'who wants you to do it'. *why*
[02:32] <thewrath> lifeless: is for work
[02:32] <thewrath> we have several projects that we use svn
[02:32] <thewrath> and we want to see productivity
[02:32] <thewrath> dont ask me they asked me if it was possible and i said i would ask around and look into it
[02:33] <thewrath> that answer you lifeless lol
[02:34] <lifeless> its a more useful answer, yes
[02:34] <thewrath> lolk
[02:34] <thewrath> we use another tool to calculate this all and we have to download each revisiont od o it
[02:34] <lifeless> I suggest bzr-stats, or diffstat, which gives different answers
[02:34] <lifeless> if you want 'unmodified lines' you'll have to download every revision
[02:34] <thewrath> ok
[02:35] <matsubara> wgrant, I think we'll have to wait for London to wake up. it's not a major breakage to justify waking people up.
[02:35] <lifeless> matsubara: if the appserver is still in the rotation, 1/8 requests will error, no?
[02:35] <matsubara> wgrant, I looked at our graphs and you seem to be right. looks like lpnet3 is down
[02:36] <wgrant> matsubara: That's what I suspected. It's a bit messier than previous issues of this kind, as the timeline view spews alert()s when a request fails.
[02:36] <thewrath> so run bzr diff | diffstats?
[02:36] <thewrath> i really need it for svn but we can see lol
[02:36] <lifeless> well start with diffstat then
[02:37] <matsubara> lifeless, shouldn't apache just take it off of rotation?
[02:37] <lifeless> personally though, if you have an existing tool, use it ;)
[02:37] <wgrant> matsubara: Not unless it's really dead.
[02:37] <thewrath> its a pain bc we have to download every revision
[02:37] <wgrant> matsubara: In this case it looks like it's just hng.
[02:37] <lifeless> matsubara: pound will, if its not accepting sockets
[02:37] <thewrath> lifeless: so what the command is bzr diffstat?
[02:37] <lifeless> thewrath: no, 'diffstat'
[02:37] <thewrath> so just run diffstat inside my revision?
[02:38] <lifeless> no
[02:38] <lifeless> you are using svn, so svn diff -r 4:5 | diffstat
[02:39] <thewrath> on my stuff i am using bzr
[02:39] <thewrath> so i am goign to relate to both
[02:39] <thewrath> so bzr diff -r 4:5 |diffstat
[02:39] <thewrath> ?
[02:39] <lifeless> bzr diff -r 4..5 | diffstat
[02:40] <thewrath> i get command not found
[02:40] <lifeless> then you haven't installed it
[02:40] <thewrath> diffstat?
[02:40] <thewrath> i have to install that portion of bzr
[02:40] <wgrant> It's not bzr.
[02:40] <wgrant> It's diffstat. Entirely independent.
[02:40] <thewrath> oh ok
[02:40] <wgrant> It works on any diff.
[02:40] <thewrath> ah i see
[02:41] <wgrant> It doesn't care where it came frm.
[02:41] <thewrath> ah i see
[02:42] <thewrath> i can run it as a linux emulator command?
[02:42] <thewrath> well in a linux emulator
[02:43] <cocacool> hello people
[02:43] <wgrant> A Linux emulator?
[02:43] <wgrant> You mean cygwin?
[02:43] <thewrath> yea
[02:43] <cocacool> I speak portuguese :s
[02:43] <wgrant> thewrath: Cygwin should have an option to install it.
[02:43] <thewrath> ig ij
[02:43] <thewrath> *oh ok
[02:43] <cocacool> what is cygwin ?
[02:44] <wgrant> cocacool: A Linux-like environment for Windows.
[02:44] <cocacool> ok
[02:46] <thewrath> what things does it give me wgrant and lifeless?
[02:46] <wgrant> thewrath: What things does what give you? diffstat?
[02:47] <thewrath> diffstat
[02:47] <wgrant> thewrath: It gives you nice stats on additions/removals in each file in the diff, and in total.
[02:47] <wgrant> Without grep and wc -l.
[02:48] <thewrath> k
[02:50] <thewrath> bzr diff -r 6..7 mikesats | diffstat?
[02:50] <wgrant> Something like that.
[02:50] <wgrant> Just get a diff into diffstat.
[02:50] <thewrath> ok
[02:50] <thewrath> u were saying about getting the modified and unmod lines that you would have to download each version?
[02:55] <thewrath> wgrant:  i get when running bzr diff -r 5..6 mikesats |  diffstat
[02:55] <thewrath> ipsubnetcheck.pph | 84 ++++++++++++++++....
[02:55] <thewrath> 1 file change, 84 insertations
[02:55] <thewrath> that is all ig et
[02:56] <wgrant> That's correct.
[02:56] <thewrath> says nothing about removed lines
[02:56] <wgrant> thewrath: Try diffstat -m
[02:57] <thewrath> no such option as -m
[02:57] <wgrant> Sigh.
[02:57] <thewrath> i have a book at home with options for that
[02:57] <wgrant> thewrath: Does that diff actually have any deletions?
[02:58] <thewrath> no removals
[02:58] <wgrant> Then why exactly would it say anything about removed lines?
[02:59] <thewrath> wat -m or -r
[02:59] <wgrant> Neither.
[02:59] <wgrant> You complained that diffstat didn't tell you anything about removals.
[03:00] <thewrath> ok
[03:00] <wgrant> That's not surprising, given that you just said that the diff didn't have any removals.
[03:01] <thewrath> k
[03:01] <thewrath> 6 & 7
[03:01] <wgrant> Pardon?
[03:02] <thewrath> hold on
[03:02] <thewrath> wats a good free image upload/hoster
[03:02] <thewrath> nvm
[03:03] <thewrath> wgrant:  that is version 6 n 7: http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/894/20090625220152.png
[03:03] <wgrant> thewrath: That looks fine to me.
[03:03] <thewrath> ok
[03:04] <thewrath> wat does the 186 signify
[03:04] <wgrant> 186 changes in that file.
[03:04] <thewrath> 186 additions and removals?
[03:04] <thewrath> wat doe hte + and - means
[03:05] <wgrant> It looks like it.
[03:05] <thewrath>  wat doe hte + and - means
[03:05] <thewrath> bc there is not a hundred of each
[03:05] <thewrath> well a hundred plus
[03:05] <wgrant> Presumably it scales the numbers.
[03:06] <thewrath> scales ... explain
[03:07] <wgrant> On a small diff here, it gives the right number. On yours, with a fairly big diff on one file, it looks like it scales it down to avoid making that line too long.
[03:07] <wgrant> So each + or - will in fact represent multiple.
[03:09] <thewrath> k
[03:09] <thewrath> no way to find the number of lines that were modified
[03:10] <wgrant> That's what -m attempts to do.
[03:10] <wgrant> But your diffstat seems to be braindead.
[03:11] <thewrath> shoudl i try it in linux enviroment instead of an emulated
[03:11] <thewrath> so what bzr diff -m 6..7 mikesats | diffstat?
[03:11] <thewrath> or bzr diff -r 6..7 mikesats | diffstat -m
[03:11] <wgrant> If that is what you want to do.
[03:11] <cabrey> I've been getting Please try again messages all evening, is there something going on?
[03:12] <wgrant> cabrey: Yes, one of the application servers seems to have hung. Just refresh, and things should be OK.
[03:12] <cabrey> on launchpad, that is
[03:12] <cabrey> wgrant, alright, thanks :)
[03:12] <poolie> wgrant: do you know if this is escalated to is?
[03:12] <poolie> IS*
[03:12] <cabrey> just making sure it wasnt my end :O
[03:12] <thewrath> wgrant:  which one the first or the second one
[03:12] <poolie> and do you think we should?  it's a kind of bad time in london
[03:12] <thewrath> bc you say diffstat but i had that for diff
[03:13] <thewrath> bzr diff -r 6..7 mikesats | diffstat -m
[03:13] <thewrath> or
[03:13] <thewrath> bzr diff -m 6..7 mikesats | diffstat
[03:13] <thewrath> its the second nvm
[03:13] <thewrath> okay now found that
[03:13] <wgrant> poolie: It was a little while ago deemed insufficiently important to escalate, given that it's 2am for everybody...
[03:13] <thewrath> now i need to find lines that have not been messed with
[03:14] <wgrant> (I disagree with that assessment)
[03:14] <thewrath> mine
[03:14] <thewrath> i meant the first one wgrant
[03:14] <thewrath> sorry tired
[03:14] <thewrath> and doing work stuff at this hour can be deadly lol
[03:14] <thewrath> but the nice thing is that i get to go in a little later i think tomorrow
[03:14] <thewrath> about an hour later lol
[03:15] <wgrant> thewrath: You should use whichever one both works for you and is what you want.
[03:15] <thewrath> well bzr diff -m ... gives me errors but the other way doesnt
[03:15] <thewrath> bc -m is for diffstat and not diff
[03:15] <poolie> wgrant: i've only seen one failure this morning in light use
[03:15] <thewrath> is there any way to find the numnber of unmodified lines
[03:15] <poolie> i guess there's several app servers, like 8?
[03:15] <wgrant> poolie: There are 8.
[03:15] <poolie> and the load balancer is meant to cope if they're hung
[03:15] <wgrant> lpnet3 is dead.
[03:15] <poolie> :)
[03:16] <wgrant> poolie: pound will knock them off the rotation if they are not accepting connections.
[03:16] <wgrant> It doesn't care if they time out.
[03:16] <poolie> you certainly know a lot about it :)
[03:16] <wgrant> poolie: Oh yes... ran into the same problem with the application that I manage.
[03:16] <wgrant> poolie: You won't see many of the timeouts, because you're lp-beta-testers...
[03:17] <wgrant> And edge is working fine.
[03:17]  * poolie reads the logs
[03:17] <poolie> ah of course
[03:17] <poolie> i probably only saw one when i entered an un-edgey url
[03:17] <thewrath> is there a way to find the number of unmodified lines
[03:18] <wgrant> thewrath: I'm sure you can work that one out.
[03:18] <thewrath> you think something with diffstat?
[03:18] <wgrant> No.
[03:18] <thewrath>  any suggestions
[03:19] <lifeless> I've filed a bug on them being left in rotation
[03:20] <poolie> i wonder if we could get a non-LO SA to thump them?
[03:20] <lifeless> poolie: see my mail to launchpad
[03:20] <lifeless> as of 2 minutes ago
[03:20] <thewrath> ! for mod lines is something partaiing to diffstat only
[03:20] <thewrath> when i do my long grep it does not work
[03:21] <mwhudson> poolie: they're all in london too, afaik
[03:21] <poolie> oh of course
[03:21] <poolie> single point of failure win :)
[03:21] <thewrath> what edit request did i have that got forwarded to ubottu?
[03:21] <lifeless> I'm not sure the regular sysadmins are in London
[03:21] <lifeless> I know the LOSA's are
[03:22] <poolie> they did say "IS sprint"
[03:22] <poolie> it would be nice if https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-foundations/+spec/system-status-page was implemented
[03:22] <lifeless> poolie: yeah, I'm just not sure is all
[03:22] <thewrath> oh nvm
[03:31] <tsimpson> thewrath: anything matching "^!<anything>is<anything>$" is interpreted as an edit request
[03:32] <thewrath> i ran this bc it was similar to everythign else for added and removed
[03:32] <thewrath> bzr diff -r 6..7 mikesats | grep "^!" | grep -v "^!!!"|  wc -l
[03:32] <thewrath> i get base: !": event not found
[03:33] <tsimpson> use single quotes
[03:33] <tsimpson> bash interprets ! specially
[03:35] <thewrath> ' or `
[03:35] <tsimpson> '
[03:35] <tsimpson> ` is generally called a "back-tick"
[03:36] <thewrath> i get 0 which is not right
[03:39] <thewrath> ` is back tick and ' is single quote?
[03:39] <tsimpson> yep
[03:40] <thewrath> bzr diff 0r 6..7 mikesats | grep -v '^!' | wc -l gives 414 which is not right
[03:40] <thewrath> bc when i run diffstat it says 94
[03:41] <tsimpson> make sure you use egrep to make it interpret regex
[03:41] <thewrath> http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/465/20090625224104.png
[03:41] <thewrath> i get 0 using egrep
[03:42] <thewrath> any final thoughts before i go to bed
[03:42] <tsimpson> '^!' will match only when '!' is at the start of the line
[03:42] <thewrath> right
[03:43] <thewrath> that is modified isnt
[03:43] <tsimpson> ^ is the start of the line, $ is the end
[03:43] <tsimpson> [^...] is negation
[03:43] <thewrath> it should say if a line is modified at the beginner
[03:44] <tsimpson> it just means "the start of the line"
[03:44] <thewrath> *should say if a line is modified at the beginners
[03:44] <thewrath> like a line that was added or removed has a + or - at the beginning of a line
[03:44] <thewrath> ! should be at hte beginning of hte line if that line was modified
[03:45] <tsimpson> an unmodified line will start with a space
[03:45] <thewrath> wat about modified
[03:45] <tsimpson> with a + or a -
[03:45] <thewrath> + is added line
[03:45] <thewrath> - is removed
[03:46] <tsimpson> yes, and a space is unmodified
[03:46] <thewrath> ! is modified
[03:46] <thewrath> according how it looks with u run diffstat -m
[03:46] <tsimpson> that's in diffstat, but not in diff
[03:47] <tsimpson> diffstat interprets the output from diff
[03:47] <thewrath> ok so in diff
[03:47] <thewrath> + is added, - is remoeve dns 1 blank space is modified all at the beginning of the line
[03:47] <thewrath> ??
[03:48] <tsimpson> + is a line added, - is a removed line, and a blank space is unchanged
[03:48] <thewrath> that is wat i meant
[03:49] <savvas> (note: there are also +++ and ---)
[03:49] <thewrath> whcih means wat
[03:49] <tsimpson> of the original is "Hello World" then the unmodified line in diff is " Hello World"
[03:50] <tsimpson> s/of/if/
[03:51] <thewrath> savvas:  wat does the +++ or --- mean
[03:51] <jmarsden> It prefixes the filenames of the original and new version of the file being compared
[03:51] <jmarsden> Well, for most common forms of diff output.
[03:52] <savvas> thewrath: these are explained at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diff#Unified_format
[03:52] <savvas> > the original file is preceded by "---" and the new file is preceded by "+++"
[03:52] <thewrath> wats the difference between bzr diff -r 5..6 mikesats | grep "^+" | grep "^+++" | wc -l and bzr diff -r 5..6 mikesats | grep "^+" | wc -l
[03:53] <tsimpson> the first will only match files changed, the second will match that plus all the added/changed lines
[03:53] <tsimpson> actually, no
[03:54] <tsimpson> wait, yes ;)
[03:54] <thewrath> i was told the first one was to get new lines
[03:54] <thewrath> 23:33 neels thewrath, e.g. << svn diff | grep "^+" | grep -v "^+++" | wc -l >> gives you the number of added lines :)
[03:54] <tsimpson> the first will match only the "+++ new-file" parts
[03:54] <tsimpson> the first 'grep "^+"' is also not needed
[03:55] <thewrath> yes it is
[03:55] <savvas> shouldn't + be escaped?
[03:55] <tsimpson> if grep uses extended regex (not sure)
[03:55] <thewrath> tsimpson: its necessary bc between 5 n 6 there were only 84 lines of changes and all additions not 88
[03:55] <savvas> thewrath: what are you trying to do actually? :)
[03:56] <thewrath> savvas: get the number of added, removed, mod and unmod lines from revision 5 to revision 6
[03:56] <thewrath> between 5 n 6 there was only 84 lines of code changes and all were additions
[03:56] <thewrath> so i am just testing that out
[03:56] <jmarsden> for added lines you might want something more like grep '^+' |grep -v '^+++'
[03:56] <tsimpson> thewrath: '^+++' matches a line starting with 3 '+'s, '^+' matches a line starting with 1 '+', if it starts with 3 then it also starts with 1
[03:57] <thewrath> svn diff | grep "^+" | grep -v "^+++" | wc -l  gives me new lines (added lines)
[03:57] <tsimpson> yeah, the + needs escaping
[03:57] <thewrath> svn diff | grep "^-" | grep -v "^---" | wc -l >>
[03:58] <thewrath> that line shows removed lines
[03:58] <thewrath> what do you mean especaping tsimpson
[03:58] <tsimpson> ah, -v
[03:58] <tsimpson> it needs '^\+' and '^\+\+\+'
[03:58] <tsimpson> because '+' is a regex special character
[03:58] <jmarsden> BTW... how is this grep tutorial about launchpad exactly?
[03:59] <thewrath> sorry
[03:59] <tsimpson> it means repeated at least once
[03:59] <thewrath> it was carried into grep
[03:59] <thewrath> tsimpson: nope that now only brings up 2 which is wrong
[03:59] <thewrath> 84 is right
[03:59] <thewrath> it does NOT need to be escaped
[03:59] <jmarsden> tsimpson: Please test your suggestions before statiung them as fact.
[04:00] <tsimpson> jmarsden: I did
[04:00] <tsimpson> $ echo '---'|egrep '^+++'
[04:00] <tsimpson> ---
[04:00] <tsimpson> echo '---'|egrep '^\+\+\+'
[04:00] <jmarsden> egrep != grep
[04:00] <tsimpson> (nothing)
[04:00] <jmarsden> The command used in the examples is grep.
[04:00] <lifeless> Bug 392371
[04:00] <thewrath> bzr diff -r 5..6 mikesats | grep "^\+.... does not wokr
[04:01] <thewrath> no escaping is necssary
[04:01] <savvas> here is an example: http://pastebin.ca/1475012
[04:01] <tsimpson> ok
[04:01] <jmarsden> thewrath: You are corect, tsimpson is mistaken and confused.
[04:01] <savvas> diffstat and bzr with grep show the same thing
[04:01] <thewrath> right
[04:01] <thewrath> ty
[04:01] <thewrath> then 1 blank space before is an unmodified line?
[04:02] <thewrath> before is at he beginning
[04:02] <savvas> yes
[04:02] <thewrath> savvas: wat ist eh [04:02] <thewrath> number of files?
[04:02] <savvas> [04:03] <savvas> [04:03] <savvas> --- surl/surl.py	2009-04-27 12:10:16 +0000
[04:03] <savvas> +++ surl/surl.py	2009-06-11 23:38:41 +0000
[04:03] <thewrath>  bzr diff -r 4..7 | grep '^ ' | grep -v '^   ' | wc -l is for unmodified lines?
[04:03] <jmarsden> No, you'll only see lines that were used to supply context for a change that way.
[04:04] <thewrath> how do i find unmodified or modified lines then
[04:04] <thewrath> or cant i
[04:04] <savvas> no I think it's: bzr diff -r 4..7 | grep '^ ' | wc -l
[04:04] <jmarsden> savvas: If I edit one line in a 100 line file, bzr diff will not output all 99 unmodified lines...
[04:04] <jmarsden> It only shows a few around each change.
[04:05] <jmarsden> context diff means it shows the context of each change :)
[04:05] <jmarsden> I think to get a count of unmodified lines you will need a different approach
[04:05] <savvas> ah right
[04:05] <thewrath> k
[04:05] <thewrath> ty
[04:05] <thewrath> i am off to bed finally
[04:05] <thewrath> atleat i have the first two
[04:12] <persia> I'm late to the dicussion, but comm -12 ought show all the lines that two files have in common (if one considers source to be sorted in "programmatic order" or some such).  Dunno why anyone would want to do that to code.
[04:43] <poolie> mwhudson/jml: why do some merge proposals have a diffstat count on the summary table and some don't?
[04:43]  * poolie looks for bug reports
[04:44] <wgrant> poolie: Could it be related to the out-of-dateness of the diff?
[04:45] <jml> my hunch is that it's crazy not-fully-supported stuff
[04:45] <jml> thumper might know more about it
[04:45] <mwhudson> yeah, ask thumper about that :)
[04:45] <thumper> poolie: lp:mad!
[04:46] <thumper> poolie: I'm running it on devpad for some projects
[04:46] <jml> thumper, why isn't in launchpad proper? huh? huh? :P
[04:46] <thumper> jml: because it was vetoed
[04:46] <thumper> jml: because it is *lots* of processing to do it for everything
[04:46] <thumper> that is constantly changing
[04:46] <thumper> and we don't do that
[04:46] <thumper> I run it for projects I care about
[04:47] <thumper> anyone can run it
[04:47] <poolie> filed bug 392385
[04:47] <thumper> it uses the LP api
[04:47] <lifeless> an interested experiment would be to get super user privileges and run it for all projects
[04:47] <wgrant> But the two-diff thing is terribly confusing.
[04:47] <jml> wgrant, yes, I agree
[04:47] <thumper> wgrant: that is a different bug :)
[04:47] <poolie> thumper: it would be interesting data to see how much cpu/traffic it uses
[04:47] <thumper> yes I agree
[04:47]  * thumper is a but busy with other features right now
[04:48] <thumper> hmm, there goes my kiwi accent again
[04:48] <jml> thumper, I was thinking that :)
[04:48] <ajmitch> heh
[04:48] <ajmitch> jml: so was I, but I wouldn't say anything :)
[04:48]  * ajmitch waits for launchpad to actually load
[04:48] <poolie> bug 392385
[04:49] <ajmitch> I'm guessing I hit the 1 dead appserver?
[04:49] <poolie> i'll answer it
[04:49] <wgrant> ajmitch: Refresh. An appserver is broken, so 1/8 requests fail after a minute.
[04:49] <jml> there are a lot of code review UI bugs. A lot of them are near dupes, or all have the same root confusion of concept, at least.
[04:50] <poolie> thumper: to be clear i meant even for some proposals within bzr
[04:50] <poolie> um
[04:50] <poolie> but maybe mad is falling over or something
[04:50] <ajmitch> wgrant: Yeah, I did that, and it subsequently worked. The redirection to edge didn't help as you mentioned before
[04:50] <thumper> poolie: could be
[04:50] <thumper> poolie: I know it is currently blowing chunks on LP branches due to 2a format
[04:50] <thumper> and I've not fixed it yet
[04:50] <poolie> jml, if you're keen on 377453 and not going to do it i can try
[04:50] <wgrant> ajmitch: The redirection is currently done in the appservers, I suspect, so the edge redirects can fail. But once you're on edge it's fine.
[04:50] <poolie> it's probably easy
[04:51] <jml> poolie, I'm not likely to do it.
[04:51] <SamB> it would be nice if a router could somehow switch you over to a working appserver without your computer really noticing ...
[04:52] <poolie> samb, it's meant to, it's apparently just not working
[04:52]  * jml pops some items off the stack
[04:52]  * SamB feels like poking PenguinOfDoom, for some reason
[04:54]  * Hellow pokes penguins
[06:50] <macvr> hi... is launchpad server down? I'm having slow response , sometimes errors
[06:51] <dtchen> from earlier: "Refresh. An appserver is broken, so 1/8 requests fail after a minute."
[06:52] <macvr> oh...
[06:52] <macvr> ok.. thanx
[07:06] <slangasek> known problems with launchpad?  I'm getting 50% incidence of timeouts
[07:07] <ajmitch> an appserver down apparantly
[07:09] <slangasek> ajmitch: and the people who need to fix it are aware?
[07:10] <ajmitch> from what I saw earlier, it was decided that it wasn't important enough to tell LOSAs about at 2AM
[07:11] <ajmitch> but I believe at least a bug was filed, not sure what else
[07:11] <slangasek> hmm, but now it's 7am :)
[07:11] <ajmitch> far too early in the morning, I'm sure :)
[07:15] <wgrant> slangasek: 50%? Should only be 12.5%. You can also use edge.
[07:15] <wgrant> Or ring a LOSA, I guess...
[07:16] <slangasek> wgrant: small sample size
[07:17] <slangasek> my threshold for reporting problems with LP is 2 failures ;)
[07:17] <wgrant> Heh.
[07:18] <ajmitch> you must have been unlucky then :)
[07:22] <macvr> wgrant: me too 10 % !... rarely i'm able to complete a task :(
[07:25] <macvr> ajmitch: will it be notified here if it is fixed?
[07:27] <ajmitch> I'd guess so
[07:28] <macvr> :)
[07:29] <sd_rocks> can anyone tell me how to use yahoo messenger over linux
[07:30] <ajmitch> no, and you probably want to ask in #ubuntu, not here
[07:31] <sd_rocks> ok
[08:00] <macvr> cprov: any progress on the appserver? :)
[08:01] <wgrant> That relies on London being awake.
[08:01] <wgrant> Which won't happen for a little while yet, I suspect.
[08:01] <cprov> macvr: let me check for you.
[08:01] <macvr> :)
[08:09] <cprov> macvr: wgrant is right. Is it failing a lot for you ?
[08:10] <macvr> cprov: oh... too bad.. yup, its failing a lot... nearly only 10% requests work... right now it upto 40%
[08:14] <wgrant> cprov: Is it still just lpnet3?
[08:14] <wgrant> That should surely mean only 12.5% fail entirely, although some pages will die more often because they have AJAX.
[08:15] <cprov> wgrant: as fas as I know, yes, only one production appserver.
[08:19]  * cprov drinks more coffee for fixing his morning fat fingers.
[08:20] <wgrant> cprov: Save some coffee for lpnet3, please.
[08:20] <wgrant> It has been asleep for quite a few hours now.
[08:25] <macvr> wgrant: its now ~7:30 in london right? so another 2:30hrs to get this fixed, right? just wanna make sure :)
[08:26] <wgrant> macvr: It might depend how jetlagged the LOSAs are, I suppose.
[08:27] <macvr> ;o
[08:56] <cprov> macvr: is it any better ?
[08:56] <slangasek> wgrant: since they've been there all week, I don't think they have any excuse for jet lag left :)
[09:15] <wgrant> slangasek: Blah.
[09:19] <cprov> wgrant: do you still experiencing problems accessing lp ?
[09:22] <wgrant> cprov: Looks good. lpnet3 is out of the load balancer?
[09:22] <cprov> wgrant: it was restarted,  I guess.
[09:23] <elmo> it was fixed over an hour ago
[09:23] <wgrant> Thanks to whoever fixed it!
[09:29] <poolie> jml you marked bug 385814 incomplete and assigned to me, why?
[09:29] <jml> poolie, because I didn't understand what you wanted.
[09:30] <poolie> ok
[09:30] <jml> poolie, maybe it's an abuse of incomplete (mpt has hinted so), but dammit it's not New if it's been examined & thought about.
[09:30] <poolie> i think it's a fine use
[09:30] <poolie> maybe the person just needs a hint what to do if it's not "fix the bug"
[09:30] <jml> oh
[09:31] <jml> I also wrote a comment that apparently got eaten.
[09:31] <poolie> np
[09:31] <Kangarooo> Hello. I Have big question and long time im having problem with this. 1/2 year. How to start programming in RoR Netbeans on Ubuntu and install required packages from Canonical maintained packeges.? https://answers.launchpad.net/netbeans/+question/75371
[09:31] <poolie> lp is eating my status changes so it's all fair :)
[09:32] <poolie> also i do sympathize that reviews are one place where you're getting a bunch of bugs that are probably best fixed not individually but by larger redesigns
[09:32] <poolie> um
[09:32] <poolie> my thinking at the moment is it's best to tag the ones to do together unless they're outright duplicates
[09:32] <poolie> then you have a manageable group but still have the option to fix only a subset in the first go
[09:33] <poolie> anyhow i'll let you get on with the release
[09:41] <VK7HSE-Eee> is anyone getting this popup on LP ???  http://files.getdropbox.com/u/927315/Screenshot-The%20page%20at%20https%3A--launchpad.net%20says%3A.png
[09:43] <wgrant> VK7HSE-Eee: Does that happen when you click a link on the project page soon after getting to the page?
[09:44] <VK7HSE-Eee> it happens when I click on the downloads tab in the Me TV page... on first time visit (cache history set to always cleared in firefox)
[09:46] <VK7HSE-Eee> wgrant: here's the link... https://launchpad.net/me-tv/+download
[09:46] <wgrant> VK7HSE-Eee: It happens when you navigate away from the project page while the series data is still loading. I noticed that a few hours ago, but thought it might have been due to the dodgy appserver.
[09:46]  * wgrant files a bug.
[09:47] <VK7HSE-Eee> only happens on the first visit!...
[09:47] <VK7HSE-Eee> ok after that...
[09:47] <wgrant> Because the data is cached after that, probably.
[09:47] <VK7HSE-Eee> ok!... will do thanks...
[09:47] <VK7HSE-Eee> also happens on edge as well...
[09:48] <VK7HSE-Eee> same results first visit only...
[09:48] <wgrant> First visit to what?
[09:49] <VK7HSE-Eee> ok when I have fist opened that page...
[09:49] <wgrant> Which? https://launchpad.net/me-tv, or https://launchpad.net/me-tv/+download?
[09:49] <VK7HSE-Eee> when first accessing the latter url...
[09:50] <wgrant> VK7HSE-Eee: But only when accessing it by clicking a link on the former?
[09:50] <VK7HSE-Eee> I was holding off just in case it was only something local here...
[09:51] <VK7HSE-Eee> well Me tv is on the entry page of LP, so I enter via that, then when you click download...
[09:52] <wgrant> Right. Bug #392449
[09:53] <VK7HSE-Eee> just looking ...
[09:55] <VK7HSE-Eee> wgrant: yes that looks like the one!
[09:57] <VK7HSE-Eee> wgrant: do you want me to add the pic. to that bug ?
[09:57] <wgrant> VK7HSE-Eee: If you want to, but I think it has enough information
[09:58] <VK7HSE-Eee> ok...
[10:01] <lool> Hey
[10:01] <lool> Team a is member of team b; when I list bugs for Team a I don't see the bugs where Team b is sub-ed
[10:02] <lool> Is there a way to search for bugs where Team a is recursively subscribed to, or bugs which team a OR team b are subscribed directly to?
[10:02] <lool> (on the web UI)
[10:17] <lamalex> Why does launchpad fail at wrapping? https://code.launchpad.net/~cszikszoy/do/config-MA-ext/+merge/7700
[10:17] <lamalex> Is it some kind of racial joke?
[10:17] <lamalex> "We made launchpad white, so we also made it bad at wrapping"
[10:17] <lamalex> /rimshot
[10:19] <wgrant> lamalex: It only happens in Firefox 3.5.
[10:19] <wgrant> Let me find the bug...
[10:19] <lamalex> ah
[10:19] <poolie> lamalex: i laughed
[10:19] <wgrant> Bug #390451
[10:19] <lamalex> wgrant: thanks
[10:19] <lamalex> poolie: I'm glad someone else appreciates my humour
[10:20] <lamalex> mpt_: does not though :(
[10:21] <macvr> cprov: seems fixed now.... thanx :)
[10:24] <mpt_> lamalex, hmm?
[10:24] <mpt_> Which does not what?
[10:25] <lamalex> exactly
[10:26] <cprov> macvr: cool!
[10:33]  * mpt_ scratches his head
[10:34] <wgrant> mpt_: His joke was followed by your dropping off the Internet.
[10:34] <mpt_> ah
[10:34] <RAOF> wgrant: Yes; it is bug #326129
[10:39] <soren> I'm confused. Is "bzr co lp:distro/releaseseries/sourcepackage" not supposed to work yet?
[10:40] <wgrant> soren: It depends on the package.
[10:41] <soren> wgrant: Aaaahhh...
[10:41] <soren> Ok, that explains.
[10:41] <wgrant> soren: Some packages don't have branches yet, and others just don't have a branch set as the default.
[10:42] <soren> wgrant: Where do I set the default branch?
[10:42] <wgrant> soren: You don't.
[10:42] <wgrant> Only a few people can.
[10:42] <soren> i see.
[10:42] <wgrant> It might be ~ubuntu-drivers, but I don't remember exactly.
[10:43] <soren> So.. If it just doesn't have a default branch, it might still have been imported? Or is that completely separate?
[10:44] <wgrant> In some cases the setting of the default branch failed. There's a bug filed against Launchpad about it, but nobody is sure whose fault it is.
[10:44] <wgrant> It might have been imported.
[10:44] <soren> how do I see the non-default branches, then?
[10:45] <wgrant> soren: https://code.launchpad.net/<distro>/<series>/+source/<sourcepackage>
[10:45] <soren> Aha!
[10:45] <wgrant> If you look at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches, you'll see that while most of the branches do have an alias, some don't.
[10:46] <soren> Ok, my package has not been imported. Oh, well.
[10:47] <wgrant> You wouldn't be able to write to the branch, anyway.
[10:47] <soren> That's fine.
[10:57] <jml> fwiw...
[10:58] <jml> as soon as I can extricate myself from this damned format upgrade, I'll be working on package branches; improving the discoverability etc
[10:58] <wgrant> jml: The number one way to make the more discoverable is to have a DSP code index, rather than just the well-hidden SP one.
[10:59] <jml> wgrant: yes. I *think* that's the highest priority package-branches listing bug.
[10:59] <jml> I also want to make the 'setting official branch' permission a little more permissive. ISTR being persuaded at UDS that anyone with upload privs to the package should be able to set the link.
[11:00] <wgrant> That would make sense.
[11:00] <wgrant> Is the ubuntu-branches celebrity going to become magical soon?
[11:01] <jml> wgrant: in what sense?
[11:01] <poolie> jml, i'm going to sign off soon,
[11:01] <jml> (every team I'm on is magical by definition. also, fabulous.)
[11:01] <poolie> have a good night
[11:01] <jml> poolie, will do.
[11:01] <jml> poolie, 1.16.1 is out already :)
[11:02] <poolie> i saw
[11:02] <poolie> very nice release text :)
[11:02] <poolie> oh, huh, have a good trip too!
[11:02] <wgrant> jml: Users aren't yet granted access to its branches by having upload rights, are they?
[11:02] <jml> wgrant: it's going to work a little differently to that, I think.
[11:02] <jml> poolie, thanks!
[11:02]  * jml brings up the relevant bug
[11:03] <jml> bug 347768
[11:03] <jml> I should update it :\
[11:04] <wgrant> jml: Hm, so access will be granted to a branch by virtue of its officialness, not ownership by ubuntu-branches?
[11:04] <jml> wgrant: the way it's going to work is that the owner of the branch will have write access, and any with upload rights will also have write access.
[11:04] <jml> wgrant: yes.
[11:04] <jml> ~ubuntu-branches will probably fade away, at that point.
[11:04] <wgrant> jml: Hrm, OK. Certainly less awful, but possibly less useful.
[11:05] <jml> wgrant: because arbitrary branches won't be able to magically expand their write permissions to match the source package permissions?
[11:06] <wgrant> jml: Right. I was thinking that it might be useful to have a development branch.
[12:48] <Kjell> Hi
[12:49] <Kjell> Well, just gonna say that there is a problem with the launchpad server when registering new account
[13:01] <cprov> Kjell: what kind of problem ?
[13:50] <Kjell> cprov: Looks like a server time out. But it is fixed now.
[13:50] <cprov> Kjell: if it was like 6 hours ago, it's a known problem that is already fixed.
[13:51] <cprov> Kjell: if it was earlier than that might be something else, let us know if it happens again.
[13:51] <Kjell> cprov: No it was just a min before I wrote the message.
[13:52] <cprov> Kjell: uhm, worth checking, one sec.
[13:52] <Kjell> cprov: The time out happens when the confirmation mail is send and you are suppose to enter a password.
[13:56] <cprov> Kjell: I suspect it was a punctual and very short outage while we were releasing fixes for the code we just released. It should happen again.
[13:57] <cprov> Kjell: thank for pointing it out.
[13:59] <Kjell> cprov: okey
[14:05] <MTecknology> I demand you guy purchase a domain name for every way I commonly misspell launchpad.net when I'm tired and forward it to the right place...
[14:06] <MTecknology> cprov: ^
[14:07] <cprov> MTecknology: is it serious ?
[14:07] <MTecknology> cprov: that was a joke..
[14:07] <MTecknology> laugh buddy
[14:07] <cprov> MTecknology: ehe, you never know :)
[14:08] <MTecknology> cprov: actually, laucnhpad.net is the most common mistake for me
[14:08] <Kjell> MTecknology: That would be a nice suggestion if you cannot press the bookmark button. :)
[14:09] <MTecknology> I have enought bookmarks and for as much as I us lp, the bookmark would disolve into oblivioun
[14:10] <MTecknology> Kjell: I have just about 30k karma right now .. I'm on there a whole lot :P
[14:10] <cprov> MTecknology: let firefox make your life easier and complete 'lau...'  for you :)
[14:10] <Kjell> MTecknology: That is a lot. What do you actually do?
[14:11] <MTecknology> Kjell: launchpad.net/ubuntu-drupal
[14:12] <MTecknology> I still think blueprints hand out too much :P
[14:13] <Kjell> MTecknology: Well we need people to think those ideas
[14:13] <MTecknology> I linked them together and linked them to branches... I like to use them as road maps
[14:13] <MTecknology> finish one piece, closer to a goal
[14:15] <Kjell> MTecknology: What is this Drupal?
[14:15] <MTecknology> what's with this... I can't subscribe to something if I'm not logged in... now there's a bug
[14:16] <MTecknology> Kjell: It's a CMS
[14:16] <MTecknology> I'm building a crap load of modules and a very very advanced theme for it
[14:18] <MTecknology> I've been up for ~24hr working on pushing out a new module
[14:18] <MTecknology> a whopping 10 revisions
[14:19] <Kjell> MTecknology: Okey... What application does it have?
[14:19] <MTecknology> hm?
[14:20] <MTecknology> Kjell: you mean where is it used?
[14:20] <Kjell> MTecknology: yes
[14:21] <MTecknology> Kjell: ubuntu.com uses it, ubuntu-us.org uses it, ubuntu-us.org, ubuntu-il.com, ubuntu-qc.org, etc
[14:21] <MTecknology> that's just a short list of ubuntu sites using drupal
[14:21] <MTecknology> There's a lot of professional sites that use drupal
[14:23] <MTecknology> Kjell: heck, lp.net uses drupal
[14:23] <MTecknology> .... ok - that one maybe not :P
[14:24] <Kjell> MTecknology: I am looking at drupal.org
[14:26] <Kjell> MTecknology: It looks comprehensive.
[14:27] <MTecknology> Kjell: that's why I like it - beginning coding for it is a steap hill for a little bit, then it get's much much easier, then it just depends how in depth you get
[14:29] <Kjell> MTecknology: Is it written in PHP?
[14:29] <MTecknology> yup
[14:32] <Kjell> Then I learned something new today. I guess it is a bit overkill to use Drupal as a personal website.
[14:32] <MTecknology> Kjell: profarius.com
[14:36] <MTecknology> Kjell: that's my personal site running drupal
[14:37] <Kjell> MTecknology: Right. I figured it out when you posted that link =p
[14:37] <MTecknology> Kjell: if you look aroung drupal.org, you'll see a massive collection of prebuilt modules/themes
[14:37] <MTecknology> Kjell: remember.... /me woke up last 24hr ago
[14:37] <MTecknology> it's now morning
[14:38] <Kjell> MTecknology: Day light over here
[14:38] <MTecknology> same ehre
[14:40] <Kjell> MTecknology: Well I am going to reinstall soon. Might as well create a server to test Drupal.
[14:42] <MTecknology> have fun :)
[14:42] <MTecknology> I tried joomla and thought it was HORRIBLE
[14:42] <MTecknology> drupal was nearly bliss
[14:49] <Kjell> MTecknology: Is it just put the files to /var/www and run the install file?
[14:50] <MTecknology> Kjell: ya, you need to setup a database for it too - it won't do that for you
[14:50] <MTecknology> Kjell: I use a different setup - but I run a few sites through one installation
[15:00] <Kjell> MTecknology: Can't you run without a database?
[15:00] <MTecknology> no, it stores everything in a db
[15:08] <Kjell> MTecknology: bah I am getting acces denied deny when trying to create a db
[15:09] <MTecknology> Kjell: how are you trying to create it?
[15:11] <Kjell> mysqladmin create test
[15:12] <MTecknology> I use phpmyadmin :P
[15:16] <Kjell> The funny part is that there is no password and you cannot login!
[15:28] <Kjell> MTecknology: yay finally finish installing. Guess when they mean no password it means there is a password after all.
[15:29] <MTecknology> :P
[15:29] <MTecknology> congrats
[15:37] <Kjell> MTecknology: Where can I view all my content I am making?
[15:37] <MTecknology> admin/content
[15:37] <MTecknology> idk where from there
[15:37] <Kjell> I mean from other user
[15:43] <Kjell> MTecknology: Well time for a reinstalling
[15:44] <MTecknology> lol
[15:44] <MTecknology> Kjell: I'm too tired to offer support
[15:46] <Kjell> MTecknology: Hehe. No probs. As I said it is very comprehensive system. And I was gonna reinstall anyway.
[16:13] <fta> anyone for https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+question/75406 ? thanks
[16:25] <cprov> fta: I've asked how much space you need, but we have to wait LOSAs, anyway.
[16:26] <cprov> fta: unless we intend to unleash the daily builds today.
[16:27] <fta> cprov, i'm not sure yet how much i need yet, it depends if a/ i'm able to shrink to tarball to a more reasonable size (not 300MB) and b/ if I add intrepid & hardy
[16:27] <fta> cprov, "unleash the daily builds today"? what do you mean?
[16:28] <cprov> fta: I'm assuming you will use the PPA for daily builds, and I'm asking if you are planning to start it right now.
[16:28] <fta> it's already started
[16:29] <fta> but i can stop it if needed, i still have some issues with amd64 to fix anyway
[16:39] <fta> cprov, i hope i'm not annoying with all those PPAs/dailies/quotas..
[16:41] <cprov> fta: no, absolutely, I was distracted reviewing projects. Do some estimation or guess some amount of space, so LOSAs can address this straight away.
[16:42] <cprov> fta: cool, you said 3GB.
[16:43] <fta> cprov, i meant, in general. it seems i have a lot more PPAs than most other users, and they are also much bigger.
[16:43] <cprov> fta: it means you work a lot ...
[16:44] <cprov> fta: and we are more than happy to provide you the resources you need.
[16:44] <cprov> fta: specially if you stop coding in perl and switch to python ;)
[16:45] <fta> lol
[18:25] <mxpxpod> is there a way to speed up the creation of a project group?
[19:27] <funkyHat> I don't understand why this bug has been marked fix released: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/354605 looks like the bug watch thing made a mistake?
[19:33] <nhandler> funkyHat: Look at the last entry in the upstream bug report
[19:33] <nhandler> 'resolution set to fixed'
[19:38] <funkyHat> Oh, I was looking at a different upstream bug (8981) -.-. Thanks
[19:41] <nhandler> You're welcome funkyHat
[20:11] <nhandler> Shouldn't the "What is this?" and "Read about installing" links on a PPA be green?
[20:55] <Snova> The OpenSourcing page says that Codehosting isn't going to be released. What does this include? The Code stuff as a whole, or a few things in particular?
[20:58] <MagnunLeno> Hello, I've created a VCS import, but it was set as invalid, so I've decided to remove it and import the code by myself. But I can't find how to remove this VCS import branch. Can anyone help me?
[21:34] <MagicFab_> Is there an RSS feed for "Last Actions" at  https://edge.launchpad.net/~magicfab/+karma ?
[21:35] <MagicFab_> I only see atom feeds for bugs, branches *or* revisions... is there anything combining all ?
[23:28] <synic> you might find this to be an odd question, but is there a way to have one of you delete all the bugs in a given project?


[06:07] <jmejia74> Hi, is ubuntu touch compatible with dual sim cell phone?
[06:09] <jmejia74> i have a doogee x5 and i want to install ubuntu touch
[10:28] <Guest75360> Hi there, does anybody know if Siswoo C55 is supported by Ubuntu Touch vor has experience?
[11:01] <mihai17xxy> hi all
[11:02] <mihai17xxy> I need help with     ubuntu/libhybris/compat/media/media_recorder_client.cpp: In member function 'virtual android::status_t android::MediaRecorderClient::pause()':
[11:02] <mihai17xxy> make: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
[11:02] <mihai17xxy> I am tring to build ubuntu touch
[11:02] <mihai17xxy> and I am geting only tons of dependencies
[11:17] <mihai17xxy> got that going with  ubuntustudio-audio-plugins  if any body chares :D
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> is there a find my car app for ubuntu touch?
[13:09] <mihai17xxy> hi all
[15:20] <tami> any one there?
[15:20] <tami> I need help?
[15:38] <tami> hi
[15:47] <MotoGXT1072> is there Ubuntu Touch ports for XT1072?
[18:05] <mihai17xxy> HI ALL
[18:06] <mihai17xxy> why is it important to unlock the bootloader ? by instaling unbuntu touch
[18:07] <k1l_> else you cant install other roms or OS on most devices.
[18:45] <mihai17xxy> so if I install with locked bootloader I get an error or an install with errors ?
[18:45] <k1l_> you cant install at all
[18:46] <k1l_> or it will not boot at all. since locked bootloader means:"i only boot a signed kernel".
[18:46] <mihai17xxy> so if I try the files on fone wont be damaged
[18:47] <mihai17xxy> thx off to work :D
[18:47] <k1l_> you cant damage a phone today. most devices are "unbrickable"
[18:48] <mihai17xxy> good to hear , cose I have some files to try but I am afraid
[18:48] <k1l_> it will always boot to the bootloader. but then will not boot the wrong OS if its locked.
[18:48] <mihai17xxy> ok
[18:49] <mihai17xxy> I am trying to compile ubuntu touch on PC but I get error on
[18:51] <mihai17xxxy> make: *** [/home/mihai/pro5/out/host/linux-x86/obj/lib/libGLES_CM_translator.so] Error 1 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status build/core/host_shared_library.mk:44: recipe for target '/home/mihai/pro5/out/host/linux-x86/obj/lib/libGLES_V2_translator.so' failed make: *** [/home/mihai/pro5/out/host/linux-x86/obj/lib/libGLES_V2_translator.so] Error 1
[19:08] <mihai17xxy> http://packages.ubuntu.com/wily/libdevel/
[19:14] <_Sondge> I'll just leave this here.
[19:14] <_Sondge> http://www.ebay.de/itm/Dockingstation-fuer-BQ-Readers-Aquaris-E5-HD-Ubuntu-Edition-schwarz-Lade-Station-/131690719571?
[19:27] <mihai17xxy> what means    ( cannot find -lGL collect2 )  I cannot finde  no lib for it :(
[19:27] <mihai17xxy> help pls
[20:10] <m0n5t3r> mihai17xxy: did you mean -lGL -lcollect2?
[20:10] <mimecar> good evening
[20:11] <m0n5t3r> nevermind, I'm drunk
[20:12] <RTE89> Hi. I was here yesterday complaining about not being able to watch a downloaded MKV file on my E5 and I was told to file a bug. I was away from home and chatting from the phone's terminal, so I'm afraid I couldn't catch that URL. If the person I was talking to is here, please can you give me the URL again?
[20:12] <m0n5t3r> mihai17xxy: it can't find libGL.so
[20:13] <m0n5t3r> ... which means something else fails to set proper library paths
[20:13] <mihai17xxy> -lGL I think is the problem
[20:13] <RTE89> Also, is the gallery/media player combo suited for watching full length 720p movies? Should I be using something else instead?
[20:13] <mimecar> RTE89, have you checked IRC logs? http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/01/03/%23ubuntu-touch.html
[20:13] <m0n5t3r> ... or the thing doesn't actually exist (cross compiling?)
[20:13] <mimecar> or http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/01/02/%23ubuntu-touch.html
[20:15] <mihai17xxxy> make: *** [/home/mihai/pro5/out/target/product/generic/obj/SHARED_LIBRARIES/libmedia_compat_layer_intermediates/media_recorder_client.o] Error 1
[20:15] <mihai17xxy> I used -B to ignore the problem and now I am stuck at
[20:15] <RTE89> mimecar: thanks
[20:16] <m0n5t3r> mihai17xxy: -lGL means "link against libGL.so"; it can't find that library for the target architecture (say, you are on 64 bit and the target is 32 bit)
[20:17] <mihai17xxy> ...
[20:17] <mihai17xxy> dont know what to understeand
[20:18] <mihai17xxy> I shold link the error ?
[20:18] <mihai17xxxy> make: *** [/home/mihai/pro5/out/host/linux-x86/obj/lib/libGLES_CM_translator.so] Error 1 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status build/core/host_shared_library.mk:44: recipe for target '/home/mihai/pro5/out/host/linux-x86/obj/lib/libGLES_V2_translator.so' failed make: *** [/home/mihai/pro5/out/host/linux-x86/obj/lib/libGLES_V2_translator.so] Error 1
[20:19] <mihai17xxy> Ubuntu touch is on 32 bit ?
[20:20] <m0n5t3r> it's usually arm
[20:21] <m0n5t3r> but the message asys something about linux-x86, so you're building for x86 32 bit
[20:24] <m0n5t3r> if you intended that (say, for some x86 tablet / other device), then just install 32bit mesa (you should have something along the lines of /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/mesa/libGL.so.1 on your system)
[20:25] <mihai17xxy> afk 2 min
[20:28] <mihai17xxy> bk sorry king cryes
[20:29] <mihai17xxy> so I wold like to bild for Meizu Pro5 on an 64 b Ubuntu in VM
[20:30] <mihai17xxy> I made an VM with 10g /boot /g swap and 300g / (root)
[20:31] <mihai17xxy> I installed programs and libs like in porting instructions
[20:34]  * mihai17xxy slaps mihai17xxxy around a bit with a large fishbot
[20:46] <mihai17xxy> sud o init 0
[20:47] <mihai17xxy> see ya all , going to sleep
[21:29] <muka> can I share phone's camera with computer via usb/adb?
[21:41] <dobey> muka: access to the camera is protected by confinement, and i don't think any system service provides that, unless there is some trick with the android gadget stuff


[00:00] <RoyK> CantWinn: AD isn't a file protocol
[00:00] <patdk-lap> and all the *filers are freebsd based that do zfs
[00:00] <air_> maybe it didn't.
[00:00] <air_> yeah, I was actually thinking about freenas but somehow my mind connected wrong.
[00:00] <patdk-lap> openfiler lasted 2 days for me, before it annoyed the crap out of me
[00:00] <CantWinn> RoyK, I dindn't think so, I was getting confused there
[00:01] <patdk-lap> hmm, storing files in LDAP, almost as effective as files in sql :)
[00:01] <RoyK> CantWinn: you can setup a perfectly good fileserver on openindiana with support for "previous versions" in windows explorer without much trouble
[00:02] <RoyK> CantWinn: that server can be easily backed up with bacula or something to have the data stored if your zpool is fucked up
[00:02] <air_> what about freenas then? is it also just a piece of crap compared to openindiana? :)
[00:03] <CantWinn> RoyK, I have a backup.. albeit primitave right now my number 1 goal is to get medial data off DropBox
[00:03] <RoyK> IMHO freenas is just that, yes
[00:03] <RoyK> CantWinn: did you read what I just wrote?
[00:04] <CantWinn> RoyK, Set up file server on Openindiana then back it up using backula
[00:04] <RoyK> yes
[00:04] <air_> so, do it! :)
[00:04] <CantWinn> LOL
[00:04] <CantWinn> Now i gotta learn openindiana LOL
[00:04] <RoyK> CantWinn: the snapshotting will help you a lot
[00:05] <air_> if you even get the previous versions support in windows explorer, I wont argue against it much further.
[00:05] <air_> :P
[00:05] <RoyK> CantWinn: #openindiana ....
[00:05] <CantWinn> Oh well, i have a server not doing jack crap but eating hydro.. mise well have some fun! :)
[00:07] <CantWinn> You don't have to teach me, but does openindiana have a wiki or documentation on getting my FS up and running? just a yes or no, I'll find it on the site if they do.. if not IRC and google await
[00:09] <air_> afk, time to sleep.
[00:09] <RoyK> http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/OpenIndiana+Wiki+Home
[00:10] <RoyK> CantWinn: openindiana is solaris, so it's a bit different from linux, but it doesn't take too much to learn the differences
[00:11] <SilfenX> hello - is there a simpel web proxy for server? aquid is overkill fo home network
[00:12] <RoyK> SilfenX: why is squid overkill?
[00:14] <SilfenX> I just need my local browsers to funnel through a VPN ed local machine on  home lan
[00:14] <RoyK> squid is quite light-weight
[00:18] <CantWinn> Thanks guys.. TTYL
[00:43] <Takyoji> Anyone know of an orderly but accessible means of workstation capable management as well as for storage?
[00:44] <twb> Takyoji: I don't know what that means
[00:46] <Takyoji> Whoops
[00:46] <Takyoji> cable management*
[01:02] <Resistance> any of you here familiar with how i'd go about getting a source package for Precise so that I can attempt to repackage it for an older version within a PPA?
[01:03] <Takyoji> I think you might be able to find assistance from #ubuntu-motu
[01:09] <Roasted> hey hey
[01:09] <Roasted> whats up fellas
[01:09] <Resistance> Takyoji: or -packaging ;P
[01:09]  * Takyoji shrugs
[01:10] <Roasted> did much change dhcp wise from 10.04 to 11.10? I was trying to set up fog (whcih uses dhcp service) on 11.10 to show a buddy but it kept yelling at me with "not configured to listen on any interfaces!"
 Reinstalling the Apache deb doesn't seem to do it
[03:02] <yaboo> ok got a funny feeling been box has been hacked, is there any way to check
[03:02] <yaboo> other than last, who, w etc
[03:03] <virusuy> yaboo: logs
[03:05] <virusuy> also take a look at modified files in the last days
[03:05] <virusuy> probably if you were hacked by a real hacker, they could install rootkits on your system.
[03:11] <Matrix3000_> is there anyway to remove dhcp3-client without removing ubuntu-minimal
[03:15] <dork> Matrix3000_: why you want to do that
[03:15] <Matrix3000_> well i have a static ip in my /etc/network/interfaces
[03:15] <dork> ok
[03:15] <Matrix3000_> but the server is still requesting a dhcp address
[03:15] <Matrix3000_> randomly
[03:16] <Matrix3000_> like my server changes ip in the middle of the day
[03:16] <dork> so just disable the init
[03:16] <Matrix3000_> how?
[03:16] <dork> let me see hold on
[03:17] <Matrix3000_> not seeing much online by google in doing that
[03:17] <dork> pastebin your interfaces file please
[03:17] <dork> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1374799
[03:17] <dork> first of my search results
[03:18] <yaboo> virusuy, thanks
[03:18] <dork> search: disable dhcp client ubuntu
[03:18] <dork> that will remove it
[03:18] <dork> but seriously
[03:18] <Matrix3000_> http://pastebin.com/3B5za5H3
[03:18] <virusuy> yaboo: np :-)
[03:19] <dork> if your box is pulling dhcp it's because it's being told to somewhere
[03:19] <yaboo> virusuy, might try guess about using the find command and use atime to see if what files have ben modified
[03:19] <zul> hallyn: looks good do the permissions look ok when you create the stuff in the postinst?
[03:21] <Matrix3000_> dork: when i try to remove dhcp3-client it wants to take out ubuntu-minimal
[03:21] <Matrix3000_> is that wahat the echo -e "Package: dhcp3-client dhcp3-common\nPin: release\nPin-Priority: -10" | sudo tee /etc/apt/preferences fixes
[03:22] <Matrix3000_> nope, doesn't work
[03:22] <Matrix3000_> http://pastebin.com/q9rk2Why
[03:23] <virusuy> yaboo: yes, good idea
[03:24] <virusuy> also, you could close unnecesary ports
[03:24] <virusuy> until you find what happened
[03:28] <twb> Matrix3000_: you probably have NM installed or something stupid like that
[03:28] <twb> Matrix3000_: if your server is issuing DHCPREQUEST packets then you need to sort that out BEFORE worrying about uninstalling dhclient
[03:29] <dork> yah
[03:29] <Matrix3000_> twb: NM isn't installed
[03:29] <Matrix3000_> network-manager isn't on the system
[03:30] <dork> pastebin your interfaces file please
[03:31] <Matrix3000_> # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).  # The loopback network interface auto lo iface lo inet loopback  # The primary network interface auto eth0 iface eth0 inet static         address <IP_ADDRESS>         network <IP_ADDRESS>         netmask <IP_ADDRESS>         gateway <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:31] <Matrix3000_> http://pastebin.com/KFfaMr3z
[03:31] <Matrix3000_> sorry
[03:31] <Matrix3000_> damn computer didn't copy the link
[03:31] <dork> auto eth0
[03:32] <dork> hold up
[03:32] <dork> pastebin the output of ifconfig please
[03:33] <Matrix3000_> http://pastebin.com/tvCJxr6u
[03:33] <dork> you see the auto eth0?
[03:33] <Matrix3000_> running a /etc/init.d/networking restart got it going
[03:33] <Matrix3000_> yea
[03:33] <dork> comment that out
[03:33] <dork> bounce your networking
[03:34] <twb> dork: uh, why are you turning off his eth0
[03:34] <dork> that's not for pulling dhcp?
[03:34] <dork> you don't need that
[03:34] <Matrix3000_> no
[03:34] <Matrix3000_> auto eth0 puts teh interface up
[03:34] <twb> Ot
[03:34] <Matrix3000_> automatically doesn't it?
[03:34] <twb> It's declared static
[03:34] <dork> yes and dhcp before
[03:34] <dork> i'd comment it out
[03:35] <twb> WTF are you talking about, it doesn't say dhcp anywhere in that paste
[03:35] <Matrix3000_> lol
[03:35] <Matrix3000_> yea, there is no dhcp anywhere in there
[03:35] <dork> ah yeah sorry, tunnel vision
[03:35] <dork> heh
[03:35] <Matrix3000_> and auto eth0 basically automatically starts up the config
[03:35] <Matrix3000_> http://codesnippets.joyent.com/posts/show/319
[03:35] <twb> If he comments out "auth eth0" and bounces the box, he'll lose his static config and have to drive out to the box to fix it locally
[03:35] <virusuy> at the edge !
[03:36] <Matrix3000_> auto eth0 brings up the interface
[03:36] <Matrix3000_> then iface eth0 inet static configures the system
[03:36] <dork> ah yah my bad
[03:36] <Matrix3000_> the thing is that static config is getting replaced somehow
[03:37] <twb> Matrix3000_: do you have VMs on this box or similar?
[03:37] <twb> I guess not seeing as how they're not configured ini nterfaces(5)
[03:37] <Matrix3000_> that system is a VM itself
[03:38] <Matrix3000_> it's a VMware VM
[03:38] <twb> Oh well
[03:38] <Matrix3000_> on ESXi
[03:38] <twb> It's probably vmware being stupid or something
[03:38] <twb> talk to vmware about that
[03:38] <Matrix3000_> well no vmware modules are on there
[03:38] <twb> e.g. you set it to try PXE boot or something
[03:38] <Matrix3000_> and it happend to a solid pc
[03:38] <Matrix3000_> my NFS server randomly changed ip addresses the other day
[03:39] <twb> OK, I assumed you were just seeing DHCPREQUESTs go by -- they hadn't actually affected the system
[03:39] <Matrix3000_> yea, system was affected
[03:39] <Matrix3000_> took down authentication for 30 minutes before i noticed it
[03:39] <twb> pastebin the output of aptitude -F%p --disable-columns search '!~M~i'
[03:40] <twb> Or even just dpkg -l
[03:40] <Matrix3000_> what package we looking for?
[03:40] <twb> Actually my next suspect is cpanel or something, which won't show up in apt
[03:40] <Matrix3000_> oh yea cpanel isn't on this
[03:41] <Matrix3000_> it's a standard ubuntu-server install that i performed
[03:41] <Matrix3000_> no cpanel, no webmin
[03:41] <twb> You just did a stock server install and basically turned on NFS and nothing much else?
[03:41] <Matrix3000_> yea
[03:41] <twb> No idea what's going on then
[03:41] <Matrix3000_> aight
[03:41] <twb> Oh, by IPs you mean IPv4 IPs, right
[03:41] <Matrix3000_> it's like ubuntu got dumb
[03:41] <Matrix3000_> yea
[03:41] <twb> OK, no idea
[03:41] <dork> are your interfaces bridged or nat'd
[03:42] <Matrix3000_> no IPv6 yet on the network
[03:42] <twb> dork: you can see they're not
[03:42] <twb> Matrix3000_: IPv6 is opt-out in Ubuntu
[03:42] <Matrix3000_> dork: doesnt't matter, its ESXi
[03:42] <twb> ESXi will be bridging I expect
[03:42] <Matrix3000_> yes
[03:42] <dork> twb: i didn't know if that was his domu or dom0 or whatever vmwares stuff is
[03:42] <dork> twb: so no ican't
[03:42] <Matrix3000_> from the vmware virtual switch
[03:43] <dork> ah
[03:43] <dork> yah i've never used vmware
[03:43] <twb> dork: he doesn't have a dom0 as such aiui
[03:43] <phiscribe> hi ppl, is it plausible to run X11 remotely apps from a ub-server without needing X on the server?  (X11 forwarding say over ssh)  if so how could i get around the packages i want to run trying to pull in all the X dependancies?
[03:44] <twb> well, esxi is a hypervisor plus its own dom0
[03:45] <hallyn> zul, yup, they do.  (/me out again)
[03:45] <zul> hallyn: cool catch you tomorrow
[03:46] <yaboo> virusuy, seems they were running some internal scanning software to scan the internal network
[03:46] <yaboo> also the stop the last process
[03:47] <virusuy> yaboo: soy they scp'ed some script ?
[03:47] <virusuy> s/soy/so/g
[03:47] <yaboo> virusuy, I assume so
[03:47] <virusuy> also take a look at sh_history
[03:47] <virusuy> .sh_history
[03:47] <Roasted> trying out this "chrome sync" hizzy
[03:47] <virusuy> to see wich commands they ran
[03:47] <Roasted> not sure about it quite yet
[03:48] <virusuy> probably you'll find if their script is still there.
[03:48] <yaboo> virusuy, trying to work which user they came in as
[03:48] <virusuy> take a look at last command
[03:48] <yaboo> they rebooted the box on the 15th last month and disabled the last command
[03:48] <virusuy> oh gosh.
[03:49] <virusuy> 15th ? more than a year ?
[03:49] <yaboo> the box was run by another group
[03:49] <yaboo> 15th oct
[03:49] <yaboo> last month
[03:49] <virusuy> oh, ok,
[03:49] <virusuy> sorry .
[03:49] <yaboo> so how do I reenable the last command
[03:49] <yaboo> to log
[03:50] <virusuy> uhmmm
[03:50] <virusuy> first, take a look at /var/log/wtmp
[03:50] <dork> was it a hostile takeover or something
[03:50] <Matrix3000_> you know what f it
[03:51] <virusuy> basically last search in /var/log/wtmp
[03:51] <Matrix3000_> ill put dhcp on the entire network and make some statics
[03:53] <virusuy> yaboo: oh, also execute lastlog
[03:53] <yaboo> virusguy will do
[03:53] <virusuy> isn't the same as last, but will helps you too
[03:54] <dork> Matrix3000_: the ip's you pull are from the same /24 as your static?
[03:54] <Matrix3000_> yea
[03:54] <Matrix3000_> i have a dhcp server on the network
[03:54] <Matrix3000_> is that the issue
[03:54] <Matrix3000_> should i remove the dhcp from the subnet
[03:54] <dork> well it's not going to give an ip unless it's asked for one
[03:54] <dork> know what i mean
[03:55] <Matrix3000_> i know
[03:55] <Matrix3000_> that's what i thought
[03:55] <Matrix3000_> that's why im puzzled
[03:56] <Matrix3000_> http://pastebin.com/AQsb04zz
[03:56] <Matrix3000_> wtf
[03:56] <Matrix3000_> why ubuntu-minimal
[03:56] <Matrix3000_> it's like asking me to fuck up the install
[03:57] <dork> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=997390
[03:58] <dork> i feel like i ran into the same question before
[03:58] <virusuy> yaboo: did you find something?
[03:58] <Matrix3000_> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1518951.html
[03:58] <Matrix3000_> looks like i can fix it
[03:59]  * EvilResistance can finally breathe :P
[03:59] <Matrix3000_> last comment
[03:59] <EvilResistance> whoops wrong channel
[04:02] <yaboo> virusuy, yes a user I cannot del, but is loged in
[04:02] <yaboo> also seems in the w does not show up
[04:02] <virusuy> oh ok
[04:02] <virusuy> but isn't conected now
[04:02] <virusuy> right?
[04:02] <yaboo> how can I force someone off the system
[04:03] <yaboo> he is on now
[04:03] <virusuy> ps -ef | grep user
[04:03] <virusuy> uhm wait
[04:03] <virusuy> execute that command first, to see wich process he's runing
[04:04] <dork> yaboo: kill his pid
[04:04] <virusuy> pkill -KILL -u “username”
[04:04] <yaboo> virusuy, does not come up, nor can Is ee him
[04:06] <virusuy> but first yaboo
[04:06] <virusuy> execute netstat -a > /some/dir/file.txt
[04:06] <virusuy> doing that you can see their IP address
[04:07] <virusuy> obviously they probably are behind a proxy but, well, who knows, can be a little newbie
[04:08] <virusuy> and as i said before, close unnecesary ports
[04:08] <virusuy> change all your password
[04:08] <virusuy> and all those standard security recomendations.
[04:11] <Matrix3000_> sudo chmod -x /sbin/dhclient
[04:11] <Matrix3000_> going to see how that does
[04:13] <yaboo> virus guy through him off, rebooting the box, building a new box
[04:13] <yaboo> need thou for the moment to reactivate the last command
[04:13] <virusuy> yaboo: yeah
[04:14] <virusuy> yaboo: be more carefull about security
[04:14] <yaboo> virusuy, this a box taken care off now
[04:14] <virusuy> yaboo: alright then
[04:19] <virusuy> well guys, i've had a great time with you tonigh
[04:19] <virusuy> but it's almost 2:30 am here in Uruguay
[04:19] <virusuy> hope to see you tomorrow.
[05:19] <Tm_T> morning
[06:26] <b0gatyr> anyone know why I can't resize a snapshotted LVM?
[06:27] <twb> Er, because that would upset the COW
[09:05] <lynxman> morning o/
[09:21] <afuentes> whats the difference between deb and deb-i386 in the apt conf file?
[09:21] <afuentes> (its a mirroring machine)
[09:22] <afuentes> in the man page i read, normal or arch specific
[09:22] <afuentes> what normal means? all archs?
[09:23] <maxb> err.... deb-i386 does not sound like any valid content for any apt conf file I've seen
[09:23] <jamespage> morning all
[09:23] <afuentes> maxb sorry im talking about /etc/apt/miror.list from apt-mirror
[10:04]  * ejat pokes nibz
[10:04]  * ejat pokes nijaba
[10:04] <ejat> morning … …
[10:05] <nibz> ejat: ?
[10:06] <ejat> sorry .. typi
[10:06] <ejat> typo*
[10:23] <lenios__> afuentes, obviously deb-i386 will only take i386
[10:23] <lenios__> deb will take i386 and amd64, at least
[10:46] <afuentes> thanks lenios__
[11:23] <zetui> hello
[11:23] <zetui> there
[11:24] <zetui> aacraid: Host adapter reset request. SCSI hang ?
[11:26] <zetui> anyone having the same problem ?
[12:14] <Onyx47> hi guys, I'm running desktop version here but I have problems with apache, I guess there are no significant differences?
[12:15] <greppy> Onyx47: shouldn't be, no.
[12:17] <Onyx47> ok, I'm having problems with mod_rewrite, it works but it seems to be parsing my rules wrong or ignoring them no matter where I put them, I followed all instructions I could find and no dice, any special tricks that have to be applied under ubuntu?
[12:20] <greppy> not that I know of.
[12:24] <Onyx47> well, that's annoying, I'm seriously fresh out of ideas
[12:25] <Randolph> hi all
[12:26] <qman__> Onyx47, did you 'a2enmod rewrite'
[12:27] <Onyx47> qman__, yes, and it's showing under modules if I run apache2ctl -M
[12:27] <Onyx47> here's the vhost configuration, maybe I did something wrong but I just don't see it: http://pastebin.com/sSmVFcCZ
[12:27] <qman__> then it's loaded, don't know what else to tell you
[13:01] <ahasenack> smoser: hi, did the lucid AMI get a smaller rootfs all of a sudden?
[13:02] <ahasenack> ami-f3a8619a, has /dev/sda1             1.4G  1.3G   68K 100% /
[13:02] <afeijo> hi folks, I need to set up an email server in a brand new ubuntu 11.10 server (with pop3, smtp, imap3 and accts thru mysql). Where can I find a good tutorial?
[13:19] <pmatulis> afeijo: did you check the ubuntu serverguide?
[13:19] <afeijo> pmatulis, not yet
[13:35] <greppy> afeijo: I've used http://www200.pair.com/mecham/spam/ on ubuntu with a little minor tweaking.
[13:40] <SpamapS> afeijo: You probably want the 'mail-stack-delivery' metapackage which will give you postfix and dovecot. Putting the accts in mysql will require some advanced configuration.
[13:41] <afeijo> I found a few good articles about it, time to test :)
[13:44] <zul> MORNING
[13:56] <lynxman> zul: afternoon
[14:01] <zul> hey lynxman
[14:02] <lynxman> zul: ello :)
[14:18] <zul> roaksoax: lemme know when you are around
[14:33] <afeijo> http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/382317_2581894503932_1151529281_33121319_990919503_n.jpg
[14:58] <roaksoax> zul: im here
[14:59] <zul> roaksoax: cool im just starting to flush out the wi for orchestra ill put them in a pad somewhere so we can look at it together
[15:01] <roaksoax> alright
[15:11] <bitshift> Hi there, need to run Ubuntu Server on a system which lacks the CMOV instruction, it refuses to boot because of this... how can I modify the installer and drop in a kernel which does not require it, if possible?
[15:18] <SpamapS> bitshift: whats the processor?
[15:19] <bitshift> it's a vortex86mx SoC
[15:19] <bitshift> tiny little embedded system
[15:21] <bitshift> gonna give 10.04.3 server i386 a go because I think (not sure) that it doesn't require the instruction, problem is i don't know if a system that "old" will support the r6040 ethernet device
[15:21] <bitshift> would much rather run 11.10, is there any way to recompile the kernel without the use of cmov?
[15:28] <bitshift> bloody hell
[15:28] <bitshift> 10.04.3 doesnt support my network
[15:40] <bitshift> okay so if I install 10.04.3, and get the kernel source - how do I then  compile the r6040 module? http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/R6040.html makes me think it should be present with this kernel version right?
[15:50] <genii-around> Perhaps not. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/650899
[15:54] <bitshift_2> lol irc from netcat
[15:55] <bitshift_2> right 10.04.3 installer dun stopped, selected the package archive and boom, nothing
[15:55] <bitshift_2> what do? :(
[15:56] <bitshift_2> font just changed, but the installer is still halted, blue screen with grey line at the bottom, any ideas?
[15:58] <bitshift_2> syslog has some messages about net-retriever good signature from various keys
[16:00] <bitshift_2> gonna cancel installation and try something else :( back later
[16:00] <Nightmar_> hi, im installing ubuntu server lts, i choose LVM with ext4 for disk partitioning, but it gets frozen at 33% when formating ext4
[16:00] <Nightmar_> what could be ?
[16:17] <roaksoax> utlemming: ping
[16:17] <roaksoax> utlemming: server team meeting
[16:18] <utlemming> roaksoax: thx
[16:19] <skej> I'm having issues running a PPTP VPN server on 11.10 x86 ubuntu server, the problem is that some websites will not load at all (ubuntu forums is one) while connected to the VPN, the second I disconnect the website instantly loads, its also interesting to note that I can ping the website.
[16:37] <zul> thank god i got my flu shot before going to UDS
[16:37] <EvilResistance> lol
[16:38] <roaksoax> zul: lol
[16:40] <lynxman> zul: you went preflued
[18:10] <ribo> anyone here handy with AFPd/netatalk?
[18:10] <ribo> this happens on a sucessful login: http://pastie.org/private/yjwccg5lp0nsajnidvcwza
[18:11] <air_> ribo: 11.10 ?
[18:11] <ribo> started happening after I upgraded to oneiric
[18:11] <air_> ribo: yeah. 2.2beta sux.
[18:12] <air_> ribo: either you'll have to downgrade to an older ubuntu, or you can install netatalk from source.
[18:12] <ribo> ugh
[18:12] <air_> ribo: not identical, but related. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/netatalk/+bug/879020
[18:12] <ribo> of course, the upgrade worked fine on my home server, and does this on my company's prod fileserver...
[18:14] <air_> RoyK had some issues as well, might have been the same that you got. but he went back for the time being.
[18:14] <air_> I installed from source and I'm happy with that solution :)
[18:18] <RoyK> ribo: download a newer source, apt-get source netatalk, copy the debian directory from the ubuntu netatalk source to the 2.2 source dir, cd into the 2.2 source dir, run dpkg-buildpackage
[18:19] <RoyK> ribo: or just install from plain source if you want that
[18:19] <ribo> cool, thanks
[18:22] <RoyK> ribo: the packages will be placed under the _parent_ directory of the source dir
[18:22] <ribo> getting patch errors
[18:22] <ribo> guess I need to delete some of the patches, right?
[18:22] <ribo> dpkg-source: error: cannot read netatalk-2.2.1/debian/patches/115_default-dir.patch: No such file or directory
[18:22] <ribo> er..
[18:22] <ribo> dpkg-source: error: LC_ALL=C patch -t -F 0 -N -p1 -u -V never -g0 -E -b -B .pc/115_default-dir.patch/ < netatalk-2.2.1/debian/patches/115_default-dir.patch gave error exit status 1
[18:24] <RoyK> ribo: erm... you probably need to remove the patching part - those patches probably won't fit the 2.2.1 source as they may have been included already
[18:25] <ribo> yeah
[18:25] <ribo> removing them as they error
[18:26] <ribo> /usr/bin/fakeroot: line 176: debian/rules: Permission denied
[18:26] <ribo> does the same with sudo...
[18:27] <CantWinn> RoyK,  how you doing? Thanks for the info last night.. I need/have a different approach on this (according to the boss man)
[18:28] <RoyK> CantWinn: he didn't want openindiana? :)
[18:29] <CantWinn> Not really that.. I'm still looking for a way around something
[18:30] <CantWinn> As a re-fresh I have a local network on a local domain, I need to be able to seamlessly share files with another network on another domain like DropBox.. but i want our server to essentially be the "cloud"
[18:30] <tash> is there some way to join an ubuntu server to a windows workgroup?  Without a local dns resolver, I'm just wondering how a Windows machine could ping the hostname of the ubuntu server without a hosts entry on the windows machine.
[18:30] <CantWinn> but it has to be secure.. I know most people point to using a samba with SSH but I don't think it's wise to leave the SSH connection open all the time
[18:32] <ribo> derp, noexec
[18:34] <CantWinn> What I need is a bunch of local users on the local domain sharing and working on files, then when the end product is done (the prescription in this case) can be shared with a Pharmacy directly and securly on a different network with a different domain.
[18:36] <RoyK> CantWinn: IIRC if you set netbios name = something in smb.conf, it'll answer to netbios broadcasts typically used by windows clients (if dns resolv fails)
[18:37] <RoyK> CantWinn: setting up a wins server is another thing you should consider
[18:40] <CantWinn> RoyK, So what you are saying is that if I set up in my smb.conf to automatically search for the users domain that it will maintain direct connect?
[18:41] <RoyK> CantWinn: I don't get it - do you have another domain server? or will samba be the domain server?
[18:41] <CantWinn> RoyK, I have a domain server already.. a Win 2K8 R2 server
[18:41] <RoyK> that's AD, not domain...
[18:42] <RoyK> and that one will be running a DNS server as part of AD
[18:43] <RoyK> so all you'll need to do is setup /etc/resolv.conf to point to the AD server for DNS lookups, configure kerberos and samba appropriately and then do a net join
[18:43] <RoyK> CantWinn: google for samba and AD integration
[18:43] <CantWinn> RoyK, thanks.. do you think it's possible to do what I'm trying to get done?
[18:44] <RoyK> CantWinn: I've integrated samba with AD a few times myself, so it really shouldn't be a problem
[18:45] <CantWinn> remotely establishing and maintain a connection that syncs a "folder" as well?
[19:08] <nineteen67comet1> how to I register my nick? /nick nineteen67comet says is taken but that's me ..
[19:09] <RoyK> nineteen67comet1: you can't register a nick you don't currently have...
[19:09] <nineteen67comet1> Huh .. I used it last night (have been since 2001) .. today; no good ..
[19:09] <nineteen67comet1> used to ask me for my p/w all the time .. don't remember that command either ..
[19:10] <nineteen67comet1> trying to get some help in #apache as well; can't post w/out a working nick ..
[19:13] <RoyK> nineteen67comet1: /msg nickserv help release
[19:22] <Zanzacar> if a server is getting bogged down by a ton of users, such as a schools website during enrollment period
[19:22] <Zanzacar> is there any way to set yourself out from the crowd of requests coming to the server?
[19:22] <Zanzacar> as in getting responses from the server faster/ priority responses?
[19:22] <Zanzacar> if that makes any sense at all
[19:25] <SpamapS> Zanzacar: actually yes, go sit in the server's data center on the same LAN as it.
[19:25] <SpamapS> Zanzacar: but for the most part, you're screwed because the slow thing is likely on the backend.
[19:25] <Zanzacar> SpamapS: thats kind of what I figured
[19:26] <Zanzacar> SpamapS: by backend you mean on the server, side it can process everyones requests
[19:26] <EvilResistance> whats the command to upgrade a server from maverick to natty?
[19:26] <EvilResistance> do-release-upgrade?
[19:26] <SpamapS> EvilResistance: yes
[19:26] <Zanzacar> EvilResistance: Yup
[19:26] <EvilResistance> um...
[19:26] <EvilResistance> hm
[19:26] <EvilResistance> The program 'do-release-upgrade' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[19:26] <EvilResistance> apt-get install update-manager-core
[19:26] <EvilResistance> :/
[19:26] <EvilResistance> might be because its a VPS?
[19:29] <SpamapS> EvilResistance: probably
[19:29] <EvilResistance> since its a VPS...
[19:29] <EvilResistance> should i worry about upgrade-over-ssh?
[19:29] <EvilResistance> its throwing warnings
[19:30] <SpamapS> Depends on what "VPS" means anyway.
[19:30] <soren> EvilResistance: I've done it lots and lots of times, but that of course doesn't mean it'll work for you.
[19:31] <Zanzacar> I did my server upgrade through ssh.
[19:32] <SpamapS> I'm still wondering why anybody buys a VPS anymore.. the Amazon free tier is as good as most "VPS"'s .. and is upgradable to something production capable in a single reboot. :-P
[19:32]  * SpamapS says that, logged into to his VPS which hosts his IRC client
[19:33] <SpamapS> actually amazon is crap for hosting SMTP servers.. so thats one reason. :-P
[19:33] <Zanzacar> I have 2 servers running on amazons free tier :) got to love free servers. I have been learning a lot from them.
[19:35] <Zanzacar> talking about the amazon free tier and servers. I was thinking about running a pretty productive site through that
[19:36] <Zanzacar> The only question I am not really sure about is how many get request it can handle
[19:36] <Zanzacar> if you only have a static site.
[19:36] <utlemming> Zanzacar: the free tier is only free for the first 720hrs (or a single month usage)
[19:38] <Zanzacar> 720/mnth every month for a full year
[19:39] <Zanzacar> so 31.5 days every month. meaning 1 free tier server is free for a year
[19:39] <SpamapS> Zanzacar: t1.micro with a static site that fits in memory (600MB or so) would probably be able to take quite a few concurrent users.
[19:39] <SpamapS> Zanzacar: just use apache's worker mode or nginx.
[19:39] <SpamapS> Zanzacar: t1.micro only falls apart with sustained CPU usage.
[19:40] <Zanzacar> SpamapS: I am unfamiliar with worker mode so I will have to check that out
[19:40] <Zanzacar> SpamapS: I figured if it was a static site that there would be little CPU usage for a static site.
[19:40] <SpamapS> Zanzacar: apache2-mpm-worker ...
[19:40] <SpamapS> I still wonder why the debian packages implement it as a Conflicts: with the rest of apache2 .. the way RH has done it with /usr/sbin/httpd.worker is much saner.
[19:46] <Zanzacar> SpamapS: worker seems pretty cool, I think that would definetly help with running a high volume site on a t1.mirco server
[19:49] <EvilResistance> d
[19:49] <EvilResistance> oops
[19:52] <SpamapS> Zanzacar: apache2-mpm-event is even more scalable, in theory, but less widely tested IIRC
[19:56] <Zanzacar> SpamapS: O the thing we learn the things we learn. Thanks for the input.
[19:57] <Zanzacar> I might try out the worker mode since its a little more widely used/tested. (I feel more comfortable that way)
[19:58] <Zanzacar> SpamapS: Check it out, ec2-107-20-112-0.compute-1.amazonaws.com/
[19:58] <Zanzacar> SpamapS: I would like to know when someone has actually pressed the search button but I dont want to have server side scripting since its on a t1.mirco
[19:58] <Zanzacar> so that being said do you have any thoughts on work arounds for that?
[19:59] <SpamapS> Zanzacar: just have the search button hit a URL that you can scan the logs for
[20:00] <gamut> Hello, would someone here be able to assist with issues involving a ServeRAID M5015 (megaraid_sas) contoroller and 10.04 LTS?
[20:01] <Zanzacar> SpamapS: That would definetly work, but I wouldnt want to redirect them how would I hit the URL without redirecting them?
[20:07] <SpamapS> Zanzacar: you can make a URL do a smart redirect with mod_rewrite.. but.. now you're getting into CPU hungry things.
[20:09] <Zanzacar> SpamapS: That is the main thing I want to avoid, I guess I could do it with Javascript which would be server side to request a URL.
[20:12] <SpamapS> Zanzacar: yeah that is the new thing to do.. offload to the client. :)
[20:14] <Zanzacar> SpamapS: if your being sarcastic then haha, but if your not then cool I guess I am just headed in the right direction.
[20:14] <Zanzacar> I just figured I could keep it free if I offloaded everything to the clients so it made sense to me to do it that way.
[20:35] <Zanzacar> SpamapS: can I PM you? I got some question that are semi offtopic.
[20:47] <tdi> hi all anybody with amd64 server 11.10 and libvirtd (working one ) ?
[20:48] <tdi> getting the error : virsh # iface-list
[20:48] <tdi> error: Failed to list active interfaces
[20:48] <tdi> also virt-manager fails to connect, this is quite old bug
[20:49] <tdi> but maybe there is somebody here who has it right?
[20:49] <jmichaelx> i need to get sftp working on a server, authenticating with ldap.... i have tried several things, but so far to no avail
[20:50] <jmichaelx> would anyone have any suggestions?
[20:50] <tdi> jmichaelx: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/servers/33930-vsftpd-pam-ldap-authentication-openldap.html
[20:51] <dork> jmichaelx: proftpd mod_ldap?
[20:51] <jmichaelx> tdi: i saw that, but that specifies using vsftpd.... which seems sort of ridiculous
[20:52] <jmichaelx> dork: i am using pure-ftpd, but i have been under the impression that an FTP server is not even necessary in order to have sftp
[20:53] <dork> jmichaelx: yah sshd and pam tho
[20:53] <dork> jmichaelx: i'd research doing ldap authentication with sshd and see if that's possible
[20:54] <jmichaelx> dork: yea, and that is what i have been focusing on
[20:54] <dork> ah
[20:54] <jmichaelx> well, it is very possible... i just can't figure it out, lol
[20:54] <tdi> just use pam_ldap
[20:55] <jmichaelx> i am using pam_ldap... ftp with ldap is working fine.... but i am wanting to require all users to use sftp
[20:56] <tdi> you want sftp as in scp, or sftp as in secure ftp?
[20:56] <gondoi> i think I missed a memo.... did innodb get removed from the base mysql-server package?
[20:56] <SpamapS> or as in, ssh+the sftp backend?
[20:56] <SpamapS> gondoi: definitely *not*
[20:56] <gondoi> hmm
[20:56] <gondoi> okay
[20:56] <SpamapS> If I could, I'd remove MyISAM. :)
[20:57] <tdi> anybody with libvirtd on 11.10 server 64bit ?
[20:57] <dork> gondoi: it's the default storage engine now so i doubt it
[20:57] <jmichaelx> tdi: i am not sure what your asking... i want sftp
[20:57] <gondoi> dork: thanks.. just wondering cause i'm not seeing it in show engines; and there is no error on startup
[20:57] <SpamapS> jmichaelx: sftp, unfortunately, has multiple meanings
[20:58] <gondoi> also an innodb = force  won't let mysql start at all... (no error)
[20:58] <jmichaelx> SpamapS: which would explain my confusion, i'm sure
[20:58] <jmichaelx> i know there is ftp, sftp, ftps and ftp pver ssh... i was not aware of anything else
[20:58] <tdi> jmichaelx: there is scp with ssh and there is FTPS, which is called sometimes sftp
[20:59] <tdi> s/scp/sftp/
[20:59] <smw> SpamapS, sftp has only one meaning I know of
[21:00] <jmichaelx> i also think SFTP means only one thing
[21:00] <SpamapS> Honestly, for me, anything with FTP means "Fail" in my dictionary
[21:00] <jmichaelx> yes, FTP does mean fail
[21:00] <smw> SpamapS, all except for sftp
[21:00] <dork> snark snark
[21:00] <jmichaelx> SFTP is lower on fail
[21:00] <smw> SpamapS, sftp has no relation to ftp
[21:00] <jmichaelx> exactly
[21:00] <jmichaelx> SFTP is a part of ssh
[21:01] <smw> SpamapS, but ftp must die
[21:01] <jmichaelx> yes... my whole project is to kill FTP, and require SFTP
[21:01] <smw> jmichaelx, sftp actually will work over any transport. But that transports needs to handle auth/encryption
[21:02] <jmichaelx> smw: sorry for my ignorance, but i did not understand
[21:02] <smw> jmichaelx, whatever, it is a technical detail that the protocol can be used anyware. Mostly it is used with ssh :-)
[21:03] <jmichaelx> smw: ok... i am just needing SFTP to work with LDAP. don't really care how
[21:04] <jmichaelx> not surprisingly, there is a lot of conflicting documentation out there
[21:05] <SpamapS> jmichaelx: it should work if ssh works with LDAP
[21:05] <smw> jmichaelx, what SpamapS said :-)
[21:05] <jmichaelx> yea, i get that part. my whole question is how to do that
[21:06] <jmichaelx> FTP workd with LDAP, ssh does not (yet)
[21:06] <jmichaelx> works*
[21:06] <smw> jmichaelx, first link on google. http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-configure-sshd-to-use-openldap-server.html . I have never done this before so I can't give any better :-\
[21:07] <jmichaelx> smw: if it was your first link on google, you can rest assured that i have already seen it
[21:07] <smw> jmichaelx, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LDAPClientAuthentication
[21:08] <smw> jmichaelx, then I have no idea :-\
[21:10] <jmichaelx> yea... i can should look through that again, although like i said i have pam/ldap/ftp working just fine... getting sshd to work with this *should* not be so difficult
[21:10] <SpamapS> jmichaelx: I can't imagine it would be any different than the ftp setup.. just a different pam.d file
[21:14] <jmichaelx> exactly... and i have been messing with pam.d/sshd  i feel like i am missinf something very simple
[21:29] <SpamapS> jmichaelx: I've always had a hard time getting pam confs for services "just right"
[21:35] <jmichaelx> yea, same here
[22:00] <dork> btw
[22:00] <dork> my great software raid debacle from the otherday
[22:00] <dork> was due to mindlessly keeping my original mdadm.conf and not replacing it
[22:00] <dork> recreated the problem on another box
[22:03] <virusuy> dork: really ?
[22:03] <virusuy> so, recreate your mdadm.conf and problem solved ?
[22:04] <dork> virusuy: yep
[22:04] <virusuy> dork: alright then !
[22:05]  * SpamapS really hates the problems that mdadm.conf causes
[22:05] <dork> virusuy: the difference is, the new syntax doesn't have the amount of devices and the raid types specified in it
[22:05] <virusuy> ohh ok
[22:05] <dork> SpamapS: i spent over 12 hours in our DC trying to fix this problem on a production box
[22:06] <dork> but it was my fault indeed, now i have nothing to bitch about
[22:06] <dork> lol
[22:06] <SpamapS> dork: my condolences to your time. :-/ I am sure there is a reason for mdadm.conf .. just not sure what it is.
[22:06] <dork> yah
[22:06] <virusuy> dork: but hey, look at the bright side
[22:06] <virusuy> you learned something new ! :)
[22:08] <dork> virusuy: yeah if that was the worst thing they can complain about on me, i'm good
[22:08] <virusuy> dork: :-)
[23:10] <Somedude> I get this when trying to turn on VT-d. (Intel VT-d tech enabled), intel_iommu=on(!): Your BIOS is broken; DMAR reported at address fed90000 returns all ones
[23:10] <Somedude> What could be causing this error/warning?
[23:10] <Somedude> BIOS is up to date
[23:22] <SpamapS> Somedude: #ubuntu-kernel *might* have a better handle ont hat one.
[23:28] <Somedude> asked it there, tanks! :-)
[23:34] <atruno> is there a domain registrar that makes it easy to host your own website at home using apache ?
[23:35] <SpamapS> atruno: at home? why would you want to do that? "To the cloud!"
[23:35] <atruno> what does the cloud mean ?
[23:36] <atruno> is that shared web hosting or different ?
[23:38] <atruno> how do i host apache in the cloud ?
[23:39] <smoser> atruno, i don't think that one registrar or another is going to impact your path for getting a website up from your house.
[23:39] <atruno> ok no problem
[23:39] <smoser> regarding SpamapS "the cloud", he was probably suggesting something like EC2.
[23:39] <atruno> smoser, do you know if its difficult to bind a domain name to a home apache webserver ?
[23:40] <atruno> what would EC2 do for me ?
[23:40] <smoser> if you're new to AWS, you can get run a 674M system with 8G root for free for 1 year.
[23:40] <smoser> other thing it would do is just stop you from needing to run something in your house.
[23:40] <smoser> but there is cost associated (the "free for 1 year" is ~ $20/month).
[23:41] <smoser> atruno, basically for what you want
[23:41] <atruno> can't afford $20 a month
[23:41] <smoser>  * register your domain
[23:41] <smoser>  * figure out your IP at home
[23:42] <smoser>  * point domain at home IP (hopefully either hooking up some dyndns to that, or getting a static IP at home)
[23:42] <smoser>  * run apache on home
[23:42] <smoser>  * profit.
[23:42] <atruno> thank you
[23:42] <atruno> which if the dyndns.org type services are free for binding domain names to home ip's ?
[23:43] <atruno> or is there one that is cheap ?
[23:44] <smoser> atruno, read about http://zoneedit.com/
[23:44] <smoser> i've used them some in the past
[23:44] <smoser> but i'm not terribly experienced in this, other than having done it once or twice.
[23:45] <atruno> thank you
[23:53]  * medberry has two free hostnames on dyndns
[23:54] <medberry> and one is attached to a t1.micro on amazon EC2
[23:54] <atruno> my router only supports dyndns.org not zoneedit.com
[23:54] <medberry> though sadly, I'm out of my "free year"
[23:56] <atruno> is it hard to run your own dns server on ubuntu ?
[23:56] <atruno> also does comcast allow yout to run your own dns server ?
[23:58] <medberry> atruno, that's several "it depends". however, you can easily run dns at home.
[23:58] <medberry> Now, running it in such a way that it is useful to someone NOT in your home is a whole different ball of wax.


[00:33]  * OvenWerks can't get his groovy to boot  :P downloading groovy and current for testing.
[01:28] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: I'm testing this on Focal currently.
[02:23] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: xfce?
[02:24] <Eickmeyer[m]> No, I'm on Kubuntu.
[02:24] <Eickmeyer[m]> I work for the company that produces the Kubuntu Focus, and its optimizations don't work right on Groovy.
[02:26] <Eickmeyer[m]> I mean, I could test for Groovy...
[02:26] <OvenWerks> I have 20.04 kubuntu with studio on top
[02:27] <OvenWerks> So I have to wonder why I can't get the same here
[02:29] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I don't know.
[06:23] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: There is a difference between "False" and False...
[06:24] <OvenWerks> look at studio-controls line 1296 (and 1290). Try removing the " around False and True
[06:27] <OvenWerks>         "on": "False",
[06:28] <OvenWerks>  with another bool: "usb-single": false,
[06:28] <OvenWerks> The second is correct
[07:12] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: new tag
[07:39] <MauroGaspari[m]> <Eickmeyer[m] "I work for the company that prod"> those laptops look sexy and powerful!🤩
[08:19] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: (who is sleeping no doubt) The old config style was all text. a python dictionary allows saving things as any python type. So we were able to get rid of: if parameter in ['True']: and just use if parameter: if the parameter is a bool. Those two lines didn't get fixed I guess. The only string that == False is ""
[22:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: I think I figured out the culprit: JACK is starting every time I plug-in or unplug a USB device even if it's stopped.
[22:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> That includes if a new device is detected at reboot.
[22:29] <OvenWerks> The latest tag should fix it.
[22:30] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: also... first try: http://www.ovenwerks.net/software/controls/studio-controls.html
[22:31] <OvenWerks> Hmm, the latest tag should fix it if you at least do an apply :) or remove the config file.
[22:56] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: the link above is my first try.
[23:04] <OvenWerks> BTW plasma makes working remotely a pain. on xfce I can open up a remote directory via sftp://host/ and then select a file, edit it and save it as if it was local. In fact I can then create a new file and save directly to the remote drive. On plasma, once I open a file with an ide it copies it to a local drive then asks after saving if it shouold transfer to the remote (ok so far) but if I
[23:04] <OvenWerks> create a new file, the ide does not know about the remote and plasma does not give a good place to save to :P