[03:33] <Jucato> Subject:    [kde-announce]  [KDE Security Advisory]  KDM passwordless login ( http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-announce&m=119021203812142&w=2 )
[03:58] <coreymon77> Jucato: although that was fixed
[03:58] <coreymon77> Jucato: nixternal told me to put that it was fixed in the team report
[03:58] <Jucato> in Kubuntu? good :)
[03:59] <coreymon77> look at the report
[03:59] <coreymon77> you'll see
[03:59] <Jucato> hahah sorry if I didn't notice the exact item there :)
[03:59] <coreymon77> nixternal told me that he updated kde-base to fix that exact problem
[04:31] <nixternal> yo
[04:32] <nixternal> Jucato: all of my patches were made available, but nobody has uploaded anything yet
[04:32] <Jucato> yay :)
[04:33] <Jucato> nixternal: I wasn't able to hunt you down this morning, since my 30 minute nap turned into 7 hours of sleep :)
[04:34] <nixternal> hehe
[04:34] <Jucato> nixternal: I was wondering if you had any idea about learning APT's API.. just curious about it...
[04:35] <nixternal> I have never looked at it honestly
[04:35] <Jucato> (since manchicken seemed to point to your earlier for doc)
[04:35] <Jucato> heh
[04:35] <nixternal> oh
[04:35] <nixternal> I will have to take a look at it
[04:37] <nixternal> heh
[09:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: fyi, I uploaded a fixed knetworkmanager yesterday, as your latest upload misses the dbus configuration file, resulting knm fails to connect to dbus on a daily-build installation
[09:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: the upload requires approval by a distro manager, should I ping mithrandir or wll we wait for beta freeze to end ?
[09:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: the problem will occur for everyone testing the beta, so maybe fixing this before release wold be nice
[09:25] <_StefanS_> hey Tonio_
[09:26] <_StefanS_> Jucato: !
[09:26] <Tonio_> yop _StefanS_ Jucato :)
[09:26] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: tested kdebluetooth widelly, I' think we're done for gutsy now :)
[09:26] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: so many, many thanks for your help on that point
[09:26] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: btw we should get our patches merged I guess
[09:27] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: sweet. It was kinda uphill :) - you're welcome, always glad to help
[09:27] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: as you already contacted dgollub, will you send him the patches ?
[09:28] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yea, I will find out what we patched in the end.
[09:28] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: and contact him
[09:30] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: super
[09:30] <Lure> Tonio_: you should probably just ping pitti regarding knm
[09:30] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ping me if you don't hate time for this
[09:30] <_StefanS_> sure
[09:30] <Tonio_> Lure: is he distro manager now ?
[09:30] <Lure> Tonio_: I think he is release-mgr for this beta
[09:31] <Tonio_> Lure: oki I'll ping him then
[09:33] <Lure> hi Jucato - great post about kde!
[09:33] <Jucato> thanks :)
[09:33] <Jucato> it got dugg
[09:33] <Jucato> (or digg'ed)
[09:41] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: got time to review the needed patches with me? I think so of them is actually obsolete now
[09:42] <_StefanS_> now why did backlight up/down stop working on my laptop
[09:49] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: sure, but maybe toonight only, or tomorrow, I'm at work right now :)
[09:49] <Lure> Tonio_: talking about bluetooth: can you also fix bug 135893 for beta?
[09:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135893 in kdebluetooth "kblueplugd crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135893
[09:49] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ok
[09:50] <Lure> Tonio_: oh, you did already ;-)
[09:50] <Lure> Tonio_: no, the last comment is still valid...
[09:50] <Tonio_> _StefanS_:
[09:50] <Tonio_> kubuntu_03_obex2_push.patch
[09:50] <Tonio_> kubuntu_04_obex2_make_up_work.patch
[09:50] <Tonio_> kubuntu_05_fix_input_tool_segfault.patch
[09:50] <Tonio_> kubuntu_07_fix_header_include.patch
[09:51] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: here is the lsit of patches that should be merged I guess
[09:51] <_StefanS_> yep
[09:51] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: although the patch 07 is more a workarround for the build to go properly, since builddir <> srcdir
[09:51] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: btw I didn't find a clean way to make it to work....... there should be one
[09:51] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: is 07 still valid for beta7 then?
[09:51] <_StefanS_> oh ok
[09:52] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: unfortunatelly yes, as I guess they test by compiling locally, then builddir = srcdir and the problem doesn't occurt
[09:53] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: uhm ok, not that important I think, its a small patch
[09:53] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: the point is that using -I$(top_builddir) and -I$(build_dir) in a Makefile.am isn't very clean I guess
[09:53] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yeah I'd say this one should be merged but is optionnal
[09:53] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: gotcha.
[09:53] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: the other patches are for segfaults and obex2 so ery important
[09:54] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ofcourse :)
[09:54] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: just found a segfault for kdebluetooth
[09:54] <_StefanS_> where?
[09:54] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: use kbluemon and then click on "discover remove services", sometimes it segfaults, sometime it doesn't
[09:54] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I suspect that's due to the moment you scan on it
[09:54] <_StefanS_> smells like bluez..
[09:54] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: sometime the segfault occurs on click
[09:55] <Tonio_> sometime it occurs a few seconds later
[09:55] <Tonio_> sometimes it just works :)
[09:58] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: right, I'm talking to them in #kdebluetooth right now
[09:58] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: super :)
[10:34] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: kdebluetooth 1.8 was jjust published, kio_obex is back, and kio_obex2 is dumped.
[10:40] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: it seems to have alot of changes actually
[10:42] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'm trying it out now
[10:46] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: super :)
[10:47] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: lemme know your tests, so that I'll prepare the package
[10:47] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: don't forget the "up" thing btw :)
[10:47] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: will do, giving it a beating now.
[10:48] <Tonio_> :)
[10:51] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: url issues are gone because it got reverted to kio_obex instead.
[10:51] <Tonio_> oki
[10:56] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: tpatzig: there are other sdp services offerd from mobile phones (e.g SyncML) which where not shown at the moment
[10:57] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'm just figurering out of the beta7 contains those.
[10:59] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: means that syncml is supposed to work with 1.8 ?
[10:59] <Tonio_> that would be amazing
[10:59] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: nawp. They removed it since the old behavior was to just show everything regardless of the apps installed
[11:00] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ah oki
[11:00] <Tonio_> well so it'll be hidden ?
[11:00] <_StefanS_> yes.
[11:00] <Tonio_> that's stupid, you can use it to check if a service has been correctly activated on the device
[11:00] <_StefanS_> they are talking about creating <service>.service files to it
[11:00] <Tonio_> that's the purpose of the scanner I guess no ?
[11:00] <_StefanS_> to do it
[11:00] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ho you just talk about the ioslave ? ;) then that's nice
[11:01] <_StefanS_> trusts work for bt-input devices
[11:01] <_StefanS_> which is good !
[11:01] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: oki so they just patched the obex:/ to work out the way obex2:/ did
[11:01] <_StefanS_> yep
[11:01] <_StefanS_> obex2 made too many problems.
[11:02] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: asking about manually enable syncml.
[11:03] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: well that will work, but it's a bit messy to do that manually in bluez
[11:04] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well, it was just an option. Maybe we should just leave it disabled.
[11:04] <Tonio_> but better than this, PAN support would be genius
[11:04] <_StefanS_> Tonio_:  we just have to implement it. so that kbluetooth searches for valid desktop files according to the found service
[11:04] <Tonio_> syncml is more a matter of kitchensync/opensync
[11:04] <_StefanS_> ^ was that the way?
[11:04] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: nope ;)
[11:04] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I was talking about before dbus/bluez integration:)
[11:05] <agarfu> hi
[11:05] <_StefanS_> ah ok..
[11:08] <Riddell> hola agarfu
[11:20] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I think 1.8 is a go. Seems more bugfixed that beta8
[11:23] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: If I was to package it, how do you normally solve those "unpresentable changes to source" that dpkg-source complains about?
[11:24] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: did you rebuild the makefiles ?
[11:24] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: 1000+ times.
[11:25] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: if yes, then it might me some *.gmo files to delete
[11:25] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I usually get that error, and dont know what to do
[11:25] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: gmo? cached stuff I assume
[11:25] <Tonio_> find -name "*gmo" | xargs rm -rf
[11:25] <Tonio_> should fix the problem
[11:25] <_StefanS_> good
[11:25] <_StefanS_> I think we can leave out most of our patches if we use 1.8
[11:26] <_StefanS_> which eases the upgrade hassles.
[11:29] <_StefanS_> it would be cool to include acrobat reader 8 in ubuntu..
[11:30] <_StefanS_> even though its gtk, it works great
[11:48] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: you fix for *.gmo works great :)
[11:48] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: The basic source is almost done, proceeding with the patches.
[11:48] <Tonio_> oki :-)
[11:49] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: kde.pot patch, what does it do?
[11:50] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: strings extraction to rosetta
[11:50] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ok, it should stay in ofcourse :)
[11:51] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: and desktop files (kubuntu_02) also it seems
[11:51] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: what about autostart, is there still an issue?
[11:54] <agarfu> hello Riddell, I've created the project at launchpad
[11:54] <agarfu> https://launchpad.net/unidistro/
[11:55] <Riddell> awooga
[11:56] <agarfu> I've talk to the other components of the project and they think that change the repository from forja.rediris.es to launchpad is not a good idea
[11:56] <Riddell> why not?
[11:57] <agarfu> I've seen that there are some prjects, like kde that are hosted out of launchpad
[11:58] <agarfu> because as I told you, initially the project was founded by several spanish universities
[12:00] <agarfu> and in Spain there is a big net called Red Iris that holds all the investigation centers
[12:00] <Riddell> of course loads of projects are hosted outside of launchpad, but using a well known host makes it easier for people to contribute (I've no idea how to get an account on the current host to commit changes)
[12:00] <agarfu> we have the project in one of their services
[12:01] <agarfu> that's the problem
[12:01] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: nope autostart works
[12:01] <agarfu> you won't be able to do that
[12:01] <Tonio_> hi Riddell
[12:01] <Riddell> :(  not exactly open development then
[12:01] <agarfu> because you have to be part of one spanish universities
[12:01] <agarfu> yes
[12:01] <agarfu> I'll try to convince them
[12:02] <agarfu> to move the repo
[12:05] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I've included 01, 02, 07 patches. It builds.
[12:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: seems like it conflicts with qobex now (tryng to overwrite `/usr/lib/libqobex.so.0.0.9', which is also in package qobex)
[12:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: removed qobex, and now it works. Donno if it was important :)
[12:10] <_StefanS_> goota reboot.
[12:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: wibble on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/144397
[12:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144397 in kdebase "kdesu on gutsy hangs" [Undecided,New]
[12:41] <agarfu> Riddell I'm pushing the code into launchpad
[12:42] <agarfu> 1 revision(s) pushed. Done
[12:42] <Riddell> agarfu: oh?  did people change their minds?
[12:43] <agarfu> yes, with the correct questions you get the right answers
[12:44] <Riddell> :)
[12:44] <Riddell> agarfu: did you create a team?
[12:44] <agarfu> no, I don't know how to create a team
[12:44] <Riddell> https://edge.launchpad.net/people/+newteam
[12:44] <Riddell> then you can push the branch to ~your-team
[12:45] <Riddell> that means anyone in the team can commit to it
[12:45] <agarfu> great
[12:45] <agarfu> just a moment ...
[12:48] <agarfu> https://launchpad.net/~unidistro
[12:49] <Riddell> groovy, I'm 'jr' if you want to add me
[12:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: looking, super strage btw
[12:49] <agarfu> sure
[12:49] <agarfu> I'm pushing now to ~unidistro
[12:50] <Riddell> once you've done that you can do bzr checkout ...  which means you can do bzr commit  with no push needed
[12:50] <agarfu> Jonathan Riddell (jr) has been added as a member of this team.
[12:50] <Riddell> or you can do bzr branch, commit locally and push when ready
[12:51] <agarfu> pushed
[12:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: fyi pitti approved the knm upload I did yesterday, will be in for beta
[12:53] <Riddell> I saw that, thanks Tonio_
[01:06] <_StefanS_> Riddell: wow this guys likes to complain: http://tsdgeos.blogspot.com/2007/09/kubuntu-gutsy-issues.html
[01:06] <_StefanS_> guys/guy
[01:10] <Riddell> they all seem like fair complaints
[01:19] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: the package is done, and works just fine :)
[01:26] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: http://enhance-it.dk/kde/kdebluetooth/
[01:30] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: looking ;)
[01:31] <meduxa> riddell good trip to get home?
[01:31] <meduxa> Riddell good trip to get home?
[01:33] <Riddell> meduxa: yes thanks, no problems
[01:33] <meduxa> ok
[01:34] <agarfu> hi meduxa
[01:34] <agarfu> !
[01:34] <meduxa> hi agarfu
[01:35] <meduxa> :)
[01:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: for a new upstream version of kdebluetooth, I will need a UFS exception request now right ?
[01:43] <Tonio_> UVF
[01:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: or is the exception you've done still available ?
[01:44] <Riddell> Tonio_: is it a new version?
[01:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: beta8 IS OUT YES
[01:44] <Riddell> we're still on beta
[01:44] <Tonio_> oups
[01:44] <Riddell> that's fine, just go ahead
[01:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki
[01:44] <Riddell> the general exception I said was for anything up to final 1.0
[01:45] <Riddell> so long as it doesn't go adding new features
[01:47] <_StefanS_> Riddell: just bugfixes
[01:47] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: you dropped a patch for the autostart..... why ?
[01:48] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I thought you said it werent needed? :)
[01:48] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: nope it's still needed :)
[01:48] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: just stuff it in again then :)
[01:48] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: let's had it back
[01:48] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: can you do it?
[01:48] <_StefanS_> or should I ?
[01:49] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: doing it now and uploading
[01:49] <_StefanS_> goody
[01:50] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: did you test it ?
[01:50] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: nope I will before uploading of course :)
[01:51] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I renamed the Devices to Adapters since its going to be default for the newer upstream versions. Seems alot better when you have to distinguish between menus
[01:51] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: both devs agreed.
[01:51] <Tonio_> sure
[01:52] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hey I thought you were at work ? :)
[01:55] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yep, but before 2 pm I can work on ubuntu hehe
[01:55] <_StefanS_> :D
[02:06] <Jucato> hm... kpdf and kubuntu... tsk tsk...
[02:07] <Riddell> have you ever noticed any problems?
[02:07] <Jucato> not with the app... with the devs :)
[02:08] <Jucato> Riddell: I think you're right about the kdm theme. we could include an alternative no-list theme
[02:08] <Riddell> it just needs the non-list theme added back with a different name
[02:08] <Jucato> yep
[02:09] <Riddell> feel free to do that
[02:09] <Jucato> and now that kdmtheme works properly in system settings again, it will be easy to switch themes
[02:09] <Jucato> hahah I'm staying away from packages for now. I'll just be preparing a bot factoid about this :)
[02:31] <Lure> Tonio_, _StefanS_: can you check that this minor bug from last comment of bug 135893 is fixed?
[02:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135893 in kdebluetooth "kblueplugd crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135893
[02:33] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: seems like it isn't
[02:34] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: just need a dependency in the rules file I think for python-qt4
[02:34] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: in the control file I mean
[02:38] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: http://enhance-it.dk/kde/kdebluetooth/control
[02:43] <allee> agarfu: a description for the LP uniteam team is always a good idea ;)
[02:43] <allee> Hi Hobbsee
[02:43] <Hobbsee> hi allee, how's it going?
[02:44] <allee> Hobbsee: oh, it's monday.   "There doesn't seem to be near as much involvement in Kubuntu as there is with Ubuntu so the quality shows (not saying Kubuntu is bad, just not as good as it could be). It's unfortunate but not exactly KDE's fault."
[02:54] <raphink> :(
[02:55] <gnomefreak> Jucato: not really true, i think its more of what you are seeing is ubuntu-devs working on things that ubuntu/kubuntu/edubuntu/xubuntu share
[02:55] <Jucato> um.. don't tell me :)
[02:55] <gnomefreak> Jucato: given yes there are mmore devs in ubuntu than kubuntu
[02:56] <Jucato> tell the guy on digg.. I don't have an account
[02:56] <gnomefreak> screw digg
[02:56] <Jucato> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Some_of_the_reasons_for_using_KDE?t=9368515#c9368515
[02:56] <gnomefreak> nothing but people guessing and giving bad advice
[02:56] <Jucato> well it launched me temporary popularity :)
[02:56] <gnomefreak> i used to read it but too much crap passes through there
[02:57] <Jucato> I rarely read digg or /. most of the time I just click on the links to the real articles
[02:57] <Jucato> but this time I have to take note :)
[03:16] <jjesse> morning
[03:18] <Jucato> moin jjesse
[03:18] <jjesse> hello Jucato
[03:20] <jjesse> well found my flight to boston for UDS
[03:21] <Hobbsee> woo!
[03:21] <jjesse> routing through chicago like always :(
[03:22] <jjesse> do we have to book hotel rooms or how does that work?
[03:22] <Hobbsee> you're getting sponsored?
[03:22] <jjesse> Hobbsee: yes i am sponsored
[03:22] <Hobbsee> jjesse: did you get claire's email?
[03:23] <jjesse> yeah i gotta findi t
[03:24] <Hobbsee> claire usually fixes it all - although it would be helpful if you tell her who you want to room with
[03:24] <Hobbsee> jjesse: did you book thru EYAS?
[03:24] <jjesse> Hobbsee: haven't actually bought the ticket yet
[03:25] <Hobbsee> jjesse: you can usually just tell EYAS what flight you're on, that you're goign to UDS with canonical, and they'll book it, and send you an itenary.  oh, and will send canonical the bill by deafult
[03:25] <jjesse> Hobbsee: ok thanks,
[03:52] <Tonio_> _stfixing this thanks
[04:27] <bddebian> Heya
[04:28] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[04:29] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[04:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping
[04:30] <Riddell> hi Hobbsee
[04:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: --> /query, as hte info is not exactly public
[04:35] <Jucato> oooh secret :)
[05:01] <AgarFu> hi again
[05:16] <Hobbsee> Jucato: pointers suck.
[05:16] <Jucato> hah! :)
[05:37] <manchicken_> Hmm... everytime I open an application I get something telling me: Could not find mime type\n\napplication/octet-stream
[05:37] <manchicken_> This is weird.
[05:38] <marseillai> got the same after yeserday upgrade
[05:38] <marseillai> and i don't have network neither! :)
[05:39] <Jucato> after the update of n-m, you have to reconfigure/restart it...
[05:39] <Jucato> it cut me off too...
[05:44] <manchicken_> Okay, I thought I'd hurt my config.
[05:47] <marseillai> Jucato, no it's a known bug with last kernel and realtek chipset
[05:47] <Jucato> oh
[05:52] <Jucato> hm... so kdmtheme now start with "Enable KDM Themes" disabled, because the kdmtheme settings are in /etct/defaults/kdm.d/
[06:40] <tuxinator> hi guys
[06:40] <tuxinator> how to switch from devfs to "normal"?
[06:44] <Riddell> devfs is longsince dead
[07:07] <tuxinator> Riddell so why my kubuntu with a custom kernel claims at boot devfs unknown filesystem type devfs
[07:08] <Riddell> dunno, but we use udev
[07:08] <tuxinator> i want to test something amd 64 turion overheating/performance related so i need a custom kernel
[07:09] <tuxinator> my fstab: http://pastebin.org/3214
[08:42] <meduxa> [18:42]  <meduxa> hi all, I want to write a press report about what happened during II Jornadas de Software Libre de la ULL conference, related with KDE, Kubuntu and mEDUXa, who do I write it to?
[08:42] <meduxa> [18:42]  <meduxa> so you guys can make it public if you want to?
[08:44] <Riddell> meduxa: hi
[08:44] <meduxa> hi
[08:44] <meduxa> I also have a picture about the event
[08:44] <Riddell> meduxa: it could go on the fridge?
[08:45] <meduxa> if you thinks so... ok
[08:45] <meduxa> do I send it to you?
[08:46] <meduxa> I'll send it tomorrow
[08:46] <Riddell> yeah, send it to me
[08:46] <meduxa> ok, thanks
[08:50] <davmor2> bug 144531 Just written by me as I'm beta testing todays iso is there any other info you guys need?
[08:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144531 in knetworkmanager "Knetworkmanager refuses to connect to wireless network" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144531
[08:55] <Riddell> davmor2: what version of knetworkmanager do you have
[08:55] <Riddell> tonio should have fixed https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/144531
[08:56] <davmor2> Riddell: 0.2
[08:57] <Riddell> davmor2: apt-cache policy knetworkmanager
[08:58] <davmor2> 0.2ubuntu1-0ubuntu4
[08:59] <Riddell> davmor2: you need 1:0.2ubuntu1-0ubuntu5
[08:59] <davmor2> Riddell: it's the one that's on todays iso
[08:59] <Riddell> it wasn't fixed until this afternoon
[09:01] <davmor2> Riddell: right so shall I tell stgraber to cancel the Kubuntu tests till tomorrow?
[09:02] <Riddell> davmor2: no, it's still useful to know if people pick up other bugs
[09:02] <Riddell> all the CDs need remade anyway
[09:06] <davmor2> Riddell: NP I'll carry on testing then :)  Why do they all need rebuilding?
[09:43] <Riddell> davmor2: there's a fix for ubiquity too I believe
[09:44] <davmor2> Riddell: I think that is already in as I have successfully installed Xubuntu which I couldn't before.
[09:45] <davmor2> Riddell: mind you some of the iso's still seem oversize :(
[09:46] <Riddell> that'll be an issue too
[09:48] <davmor2> Riddell: I think mentioning no names cough cough Ubuntu alternative and Edubuntu cough cough are the main ones everything else seems to be under
[09:49] <davmor2> ubuntu5 has indeed fixed the nm issue
[09:49] <Riddell> great
[09:50] <davmor2> I've updated the bug too
[09:51] <davmor2> Riddell: and as a bonus no install and qtparted this time either :)#
[09:51] <Riddell> no install?
[09:53] <_StefanS_> hey Riddell
[09:53] <davmor2> I told you friday night or saturday night that on the installed system there were place markers in the menu for install and qtparted
[09:53] <davmor2> they've now gone :)
[09:54] <Riddell> oh, groovy
[09:54] <Riddell> hi Stecchino
[09:54] <Riddell> hmm
[09:54] <Riddell> hi _StefanS_
[09:54] <Riddell> those pesky underscores
[09:55] <_StefanS_> :D
[09:55] <_StefanS_> hey use tab you lazy.. you! :)
[09:56] <Riddell> I did, but the underscores mean you're last in the tab line
[09:59] <_StefanS_> hehe
[09:59] <_StefanS_> good guys finish last, no?
[10:00] <_StefanS_> gotta put the screws back into the laptop
[10:06] <davmor2> Riddell: Found an interesting bug on a fresh install not updated in anyway try and install nvidia-glx using restricted driver manager or play an mp3.   It can't install anything.  If you refresh the repo's everything works flawlessly
[10:15] <bddebian> Hey you KDE types.  /usr/share/applnk/System is where .desktop files go for you folks?  I know that /usr/share/applications works for you but if a current package ships it in the former, should I move it, symlink it, what?
[10:17] <Riddell> /usr/share/applnk/ is obsolete, it works with KDE for backwards compatibility but to work with all desktops use /usr/share/applications
[10:17] <stdin> or /usr/share/applications/kde/ for KDE specific apps
[10:17] <bddebian> OK, thanks gents
[10:30] <bddebian> Any clues on which sudo to use to Exec= that will work for both gnome and kde?
[10:31] <ScottK> I don't think there is one.
[10:31] <bddebian> I thought one of the Xsudo s worked
[10:33] <Riddell> X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true
[10:33] <Riddell> bddebian: ^^
[10:33] <bddebian> What does that do?
[10:34] <Riddell> what you asked for
[10:34] <bddebian> For gnome as well?
[10:34] <bddebian> Right now this .desktop has:
[10:34] <bddebian> X-KDE-RootOnly=true
[10:35] <bddebian> X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true
[10:35] <bddebian> and X-KDE-Username=root
[10:36] <Riddell> I could be wrong but I think it should work for gnome too
[10:36] <bddebian> OK, thanks
[10:36] <Riddell> pitti will know
[10:36] <bddebian> Hmm, I think pitti hates me :-)
[10:37] <Riddell> surely not, he's lovely
[10:37] <bddebian> Everyone over there hates me :-)
[10:37] <Riddell> nonsence
[11:02] <bddebian> ScottK: You bored and want to do a test for me? :)
[11:12] <ScottK> bddebian: Not bored.  No.
[11:12] <bddebian> Damn, I get no love :'-(
[11:45] <jjesse> @time Sydney
[11:45] <ubotu> Current time in Australia/Sydney: September 25 2007, 07:45:47 - Next meeting: Server Team meeting in 17 hours 14 minutes
[11:46] <jjesse> evening nixternal
[11:46] <nixternal> howdy
[11:47] <nixternal> man, I just made a killer sandwich
[11:47] <jjesse> so i might be teaching a class in syndey australia in november
[11:47] <nixternal> nice
[11:47] <jjesse> yeah for just a week
[11:47] <jjesse> no clue how long it takes to get there
[11:47] <nixternal> that is enough time to have a little fun
[11:47] <jjesse> trying to get my wife to take time off work to go
[11:47] <nixternal> from Chicago, you are looking at like 30 hours I think
[11:48] <jjesse> holy cow
[11:48] <jjesse> that's forever
[11:49] <nixternal> I have never flown there, only by boat :)
[11:50] <jjesse> sarah around/
[11:50] <jjesse> ?
[11:50] <nixternal> don't see her
[11:51] <jjesse> its like a 14 hour time difference i think
[11:52] <nixternal> 15
[11:53] <nixternal> it is 7:53am there right now
[11:53] <jjesse> well its 5:53 pm here so 14 for me
[11:53] <nixternal> I have my clock in kicker also show off some other country times so I can try and keep up
[11:53] <nixternal> oh ya, derr :)
[11:54] <jjesse> 14 hours from san fransico to sydney
[11:55] <nixternal> so then 18+
[11:55] <nixternal> that isn't to shabby
[11:55] <jjesse> yeah, grand rapids to denver -> denver to SFO -> SFO to SYD
[11:55] <nixternal> 19hr 15min according to orbitz :)
[11:55] <jjesse> yeah trying to find cheapest flight
[11:56] <nixternal> $1000 is the cheapest I see right now
[11:56] <nixternal> Chi -> SF -> AU
[11:56] <jjesse> ah you don't have the extra hop that i do
[11:56] <nixternal> just the one hop
[11:57] <jjesse> thats a heck of a long time to be in a plane
[11:57] <jjesse> first class united is 24k
[11:59] <jjesse> total duration is looking like 20+ hours
[12:00] <jjesse> that's a heck of a long time to be in a plane for 5 days of training
[12:00] <nixternal> heh
[12:12] <nixternal> Riddell: kdebase 3.5.7 updates with the kdm security fix is in bzr btw
[12:12] <Riddell> thanks nixternal
[12:15] <Riddell> nixternal: maybe time to start on Beta release page?
[12:16] <nixternal> hey, I just found out my grandmother died, so I may be gone for a bit here
[12:16] <nixternal> if I get some time to start it before heading to Michigan I will get on it
[12:16] <Riddell> ok, hugs all round
[12:16] <nixternal> thanks
[12:16] <Riddell> dinnae fash yerself, we can handle it
[12:17] <nixternal> let me find out what is happening


[01:31] <zkriesse> Hey got a question
[01:32] <zkriesse> And no it's not about a cloak
[01:32] <rww> lol
[01:32] <zkriesse> Was wondering if anyone here had an idea on how to get MootBot in #ubuntu-beginners-wiki
[01:36] <rww> I never can remember the contact person for that bot...
[01:36] <zkriesse> well the page says to look at the #ubuntu-scribes but there's like, one person there
[02:11] <nhandler> zkriesse: What was your question (if you didn't get an answer)
[02:15] <jpds> zkriesse: Maybe that one person is the person to ask.
[02:21] <rww> nhandler: he didn't, and the question was who to ask to get MootBot in #ubuntu-beginners-wiki
[02:21] <rww> unless jpds is right, which is entirely possible :)
[07:51] <vish> yeah,  he was asking in the -meeting channel , probably thought the ops would notice the Q from there ..
[07:51] <vish>  <zkriesse> Is there anyone here who could maybe help me get MootBot in my channel its #ubuntu-beginners-wiki (Ubuntu Beginners Team Wiki channel)
[10:21] <nigelb> rww: poke?
[10:21] <rww> o/
[10:22] <nigelb> got time for a quick PM?
[10:22] <rww> nigelb: sure, but I'm going to bed in about 10 minutes
[10:22] <pleia2> yeah, it's crazy o clock for us
[10:22]  * pleia2 yawns
[22:15] <guntbert> are webchat users banned from #ubuntu? (before I recommend that to someone who cannot install any software at the moment)
[22:24] <ts2> guntbert: no, they are redirected to another channel then given access
[22:25] <guntbert> ts2: thx, I just tested it :-)


[04:38] <jester_> I'm having an issue with unity/ubuntu, whenever I select and drag something (an image, text etc.) the unity bar greys out and when it does that my cursor teleports to the top left of my screen.
[05:06] <duflu> jester_: Sounds like you might have https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1041063
[05:06] <duflu> Please comment in the bug report
[06:58] <gotwig> morning
[06:58] <gotwig> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/Lenses shows examples with Python 2 code
[06:58] <gotwig> Python 3 Code is recommended for Ubuntu 12.10
[06:58] <gotwig> rye: jo
[07:01] <gotwig> someone up for helping me to fix a crtical error in my scopes :-) ?
[07:02] <gotwig> Its becouse I ported my code to Python3 I think
[07:06] <gotwig> Saviq: hey
[07:08] <Saviq> gotwig, gey, wassup?
[07:08] <Saviq> ...
[07:08] <Saviq> *hey
[07:09] <gotwig> Saviq: do you develop lenses/scopes?
[07:10] <MCR1> duflu: Hi. Should new bugs against Compiz be reported with the GLES tag, when they are new ones (after the big GLES merge) ?
[07:10] <Saviq> gotwig, not on a daily basis
[07:10] <gotwig> Saviq: haha ;)
[07:10] <duflu> MCR1: Only if you can prove it was r3320 that caused the bug
[07:11] <gotwig> Unity should be independent from Compiz
[07:11] <gotwig> Saviq: do you use Python 3?
[07:11] <Saviq> gotwig, no
[07:11] <gotwig> Saviq: so what
[07:12] <MCR1> duflu: How can I prove that, except that I know what worked previously ?
[07:12] <duflu> MCR1: Don't worry about it. I'll add the tag if appropriate. You can still log a bug and say it's "new"
[07:13] <MCR1> duflu: For example the 3d windows plugin now creates visual artifacts - it was working perfectly before
[07:13] <duflu> MCR1: If you really want, then create separate a branch of before (bzr branch -r3319 ....) to check the bug did not exist in 3319.
[07:13] <duflu> MCR1: Already logged: https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1024208
[07:14] <MCR1> duflu: Oh - you were faster :)
[07:15] <gotwig> Saviq: do you use Python 2 ?
[07:16] <Saviq> gotwig, sometimes, is there a real question coming soon?
[07:16] <gotwig> Saviq: eh, dont you have heard, whats happening with python 2 in 12.10?
[07:16] <gotwig> Not recommended
[07:16] <gotwig> couse you have to download extra libraries
[07:16] <gotwig> for your scope
[07:17] <Saviq> gotwig, as I said, I'm not writing lenses/scopes on a daily basis
[07:17] <gotwig> Saviq: I am, too
[07:18] <gotwig> writing lenses/scopes is not a thing, that you do daily, lol
[07:24] <gotwig> mhall119: hey, there?
[07:25] <mhr3> gotwig, lenses work just fine with python3, david already transitioned to py3 many of his lenses afaik
[07:26] <gotwig> https://bugs.launchpad.net/onehundredscopes/+bug/1042096
[07:27] <gotwig> mhr3: the wiki page seems not to use python 3 code for the tutorials
[07:28] <gotwig> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/Lenses
[07:28] <duflu> Compiz release <IP_ADDRESS> uploaded! https://launchpad.net/compiz/0.9.8/<IP_ADDRESS>
[07:28] <mhr3> gotwig, it's a wiki, feel free to fix
[07:28] <mhr3> although it's not even using python
[07:30] <gotwig> mhr3: so what
[07:30] <gotwig> "Full example" is missing
[07:30] <gotwig> btw, would be great if someone could help me to package my app properly ;D
[07:30] <gotwig>  I want to get it into USC
[07:30] <mhr3> actually that wiki page is deprecated
[07:31] <gotwig> mhr3: :D
[07:31] <gotwig> mhr3: do you know why alpha channel support for png images got dropped for unity?
[07:31] <mhr3> of course not
[07:31] <mhr3> why would it
[07:32] <gotwig> ?
[07:32] <gotwig> I dont know
[07:32] <gotwig> But you notice it as well, right?
[07:32] <gotwig> No transparency in png images
[07:33] <mhr3> no
[10:42] <mhr3> kamstrup, ping?
[10:55] <mhr3> nvm, unping :)
[11:22] <jacobw> #755842
[11:22] <jacobw> where's the bot?
[11:22] <kamstrup> mhr3: le pongue
[11:23] <jacobw> anyhow, #755842 is 'fixed released' in compiz/+milestone/<IP_ADDRESS>
[11:24] <jacobw> what happens to compiz/+milestone/<IP_ADDRESS>? will it be released with ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-12.04.2 or pushed to precise-updates, precise-proposed or precise-backports before then?
[11:26] <jacobw> i want to deploy this fix as soon as possible within my organisation, will packages for the new compiz-* versions be built by canonical or should i appy the patches and build the package myself?
[11:48] <kamstrup> mhr3: nvm, didn't see I was unpung
[11:48] <kamstrup> awesomest word "unpung"
[11:49] <kamstrup> totally cromulent
[12:41] <mhr3> kamstrup, cromulent indeed, mister cohen would be proud of you :)
[12:59] <Mirv> jacobw: Compiz 0.9.7 branch is the one that's in precise and will be updated. the first upgrade was delivered Aug 15 and should already be deployed https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/precise-changes/2012-August/016991.html
[12:59] <Mirv> it together with the Unity SRUs (stable release upgrade) should contain all the necessary fixes to improve 12.04 users' compiz/unity experience
[13:00] <Mirv> there is already the next Unity SRU in pipeline as well
[13:01] <Mirv> the 0.9.8 on the other hand, is now in Ubuntu 12.10 development version with the omission of the OpenGL ES feature work, which is being tested during this week and then pushed in with the real <IP_ADDRESS> version number
[13:03] <Mirv> jacobw: ah saw your bug report comment, answering there
[13:05] <gotwig> Compiz on Vesa is slow
[13:05] <gotwig> why does Ubuntu use Compiz
[13:05] <gotwig> this dirty window manager..
[13:05] <gotwig> davidcalle: hey
[13:06] <gotwig> mhall119: hey, there?
[13:15] <gotwig> can someone help me with my scopes?
[13:15] <gotwig> I ported them to python3, and now the results dont have images
[13:15] <gotwig> lp:lens-cooking
[13:21] <gotwig> I heard there is a nice new recipe manager out
[13:21] <gotwig> I should add support for it in my cooking lens :-)
[13:27] <gotwig> does anyone know how to make your quickly app translateable?
[13:42] <bobweaver> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1169843/
[13:42] <bobweaver> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1169843/
[13:42] <bobweaver> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1169843/
[13:44] <bobweaver> !naming-unity3d
[13:48] <gotwig> bobweaver: whats up
[13:49] <bobweaver> hey gotwig
[13:49] <bobweaver> do you know any thing about how unity 3d is going to stuctured via naming ?
[13:50] <bobweaver> I just overwrote the dash and unity core/common
[13:50] <bobweaver> gotwig,  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlOacuIldM8
[13:51] <gotwig> bobweaver: we talked time ago
[13:51] <gotwig> omg
[13:51] <bobweaver> oh I am sorry my mind must of slipped it
[13:51] <gotwig> in the video is my cooking lens
[13:51] <gotwig> ;D
[13:51] <bobweaver> :)
[13:52] <gotwig> sexy
[13:52] <gotwig> loool
[13:52] <gotwig> but not at my pc
[13:52] <gotwig> it works there
[13:52] <gotwig> whats up xD
[13:52] <gotwig> it works on other computer but not on my own, lol
[13:52] <bobweaver> gotwig,  need to make a preview page for it :)
[13:52] <bobweaver> gotwig,  look at your BBUS
[13:52] <bobweaver> DBUS *
[13:53] <gotwig> bobweaver: why
[13:53] <gotwig> ;D
[13:53] <gotwig> bobweaver: do you use the cooking lens?
[13:53] <bobweaver> But for real there needs to be previews for pictures and for cooking news ect
[13:53] <gotwig> I always wanna hear feedback, I get so little :(
[13:53] <gotwig> bobweaver: you know, I have a project site, I reported all bugs on my own, so ..
[13:53] <gotwig> ;D
[13:54] <bobweaver> gotwig,  yeah I am using the cooking lens that is my computer in that video
[13:54] <gotwig> bobweaver: you rock xD
[13:54] <gotwig> thank you
[13:54] <gotwig> bobweaver: do you noticed the last update? I added cooksunited, right?
[13:54] <bobweaver> no I did not
[13:55] <gotwig> bobweaver: since when do you use it?
[13:55] <bobweaver> last night
[13:55] <gotwig> bobweaver: awsom ;D
[13:55] <gotwig> bobweaver: no problems ?
[13:55] <gotwig> bobweaver: I ported it just a few weeks ago to python 3, for ubuntu 12.10
[13:55] <bobweaver> had to play around with dbus naming convention
[13:56] <bobweaver> but that was my own choice :)
[13:57] <gotwig> I should add someday better filter options, there are no filter options at all yet..
[13:57] <gotwig> now I have 5 sources for recipes
[13:57] <gotwig> 3 dynamic ones
[13:57] <gotwig> Cooksunited.co.uk/cooksunited.nl/chefkoch.de
[13:57] <gotwig> bobweaver: do you know about cookety?
[13:58] <gotwig> what xD?
[13:59] <gotwig> bobweaver: btw, what are these coverflow effects? do you use the coverflow branch?
[13:59] <bobweaver> that is pretty easy to use filters in the daemon file
[13:59] <bobweaver> Yeah I hacked the coverflow file and alot more
[14:01] <bobweaver> I would have liked to have taken and made case statements or if statements or whhole new files
[14:01] <bobweaver> BUt I can not get a anwser from anyone
[14:01] <bobweaver> but I think that some are looking at it atm to tell me (I hope )
[14:02] <gotwig> bobweaver: hm, do you like QT?
[14:02] <bobweaver> lol
[14:02] <bobweaver> I know a little
[14:02] <gotwig> bobweaver: xD
[14:02] <gotwig> bobweaver: http://grid.binarythumb.com/
[14:03] <gotwig> bobweaver: I wanna make a fork with QT. But maybe I dont have enough skill / time
[14:04] <bobweaver> I think that it is I will take a look
[14:06] <bobweaver> This would not be that hard
[14:06] <bobweaver> you want for harmony embed and desktop correct
[14:06] <bobweaver> gotwig,  ^^
[14:07] <bobweaver> Couple of things that I would change on that
[14:07] <gotwig> bobweaver: it looks windowish-eightish, right?
[14:07] <gotwig> ;D
[14:07] <bobweaver> 1) twitter api and google contacts ,calender ,+1 ,shopping , Ubuntu SSO ,
[14:08] <bobweaver> that a big 1
[14:08] <bobweaver> XD
[14:08] <gotwig> a big 1
[14:08] <gotwig> ;D
[14:08] <gotwig> Ubuntu One is soo proprietary :O
[14:08] <bobweaver> there are other things also
[14:08] <gotwig> I am so sorry, to say that
[14:08] <bobweaver> that is not ubuntu one
[14:08] <bobweaver> that is ubuntu single sign on
[14:08] <bobweaver> here I will show you
[14:09] <Debolaz> In the case of dropbox, is there really a strong need for an indicator? I know this strictly speaking isn't a Unity question, but if I were to design an application that behaved in a similar way to the dropbox client, should I provide an indicator for it?
[14:09] <gotwig> bobweaver: I said what I said ;D
[14:09] <bobweaver> go to my blog site
[14:09] <bobweaver> http://ubuntustreetteam.tk
[14:09] <bobweaver> gotwig,  ^^
[14:09] <bobweaver> click on login
[14:09] <bobweaver> that is ubuntu single sign on
[14:09] <gotwig> Debolaz: what do you want to show with the indicator?
[14:09] <gotwig> bobweaver: :D I know
[14:10] <gotwig> its not even properly translateable xD
[14:10] <gotwig> what a shame..
[14:10] <gotwig> bobweaver: single sign one
[14:10] <gotwig> bobweaver: oh nice, I want to create a usergroup in the area of cologne
[14:10] <bobweaver> Debolaz,  createt it all then test then figure out the best for you
[14:10] <gotwig> bobweaver: but there is too little interest, it seems. lol. there live 1 million people
[14:11] <Debolaz> gotwig: Well, it occurred to me that I don't really need to show anything. If one want to reconfigure what is being synchronized, one can start the configuration program like any ordinary program. It might be of interest to show if transfers are currently going on, but it doesn't seem like there's a strong reason to have this information available constantly.
[14:11] <bobweaver> Debolaz,  make a option to remove it
[14:12] <Debolaz> If a new file is transferred, it seems this information can be provided through the osd.
[14:12] <bobweaver> yes that would help and also if you can make it so that that can also be disabled
[14:12] <bobweaver> what if you are uploading small things
[14:12] <bobweaver> it would go nuts
[14:13] <bobweaver> eachtime there is a transfer
[14:13] <Debolaz> It might just indicate on a per-batch basis. Ie, "I see 100 new files" instead of telling about each and every one of them.
[14:14] <gotwig> Debolaz: what you mean?
[14:14] <bobweaver> if [ "$size >=  100mb ] then; notify-send $message1
[14:15] <bobweaver> talk about errors but you get the idea
[14:15] <gotwig> indicators are somehow deprecated
[14:15] <gotwig> or at least they should be IMHO
[14:15] <gotwig> apps should use the new unity icon things
[14:16] <gotwig> you can show progress
[14:16] <gotwig> and numbers with unity
[14:16] <gotwig> do it.
[14:16] <gotwig> that is the right way, not indicators, for such stuff
[14:16] <gotwig> look at brasero. Its disabled.
[14:16] <bobweaver> gotwig,  I am about to make a whole new way that indiators are acting and look
[14:17] <gotwig> bobweaver: mockup?
[14:18] <bobweaver> Debolaz,  you are not going to just add this to like deja-dup
[14:18] <bobweaver> gotwig,  nope still waiting on core devs to get back to me
[14:18] <bobweaver> But there going to be in the dash
[14:19] <bobweaver> calender that I was making for the QT version is awesome
[14:19] <bobweaver> ties in with google
[14:19] <bobweaver> via api
[14:19] <bobweaver> also mythtv
[14:20] <bobweaver> well myth service api
[14:22] <gotwig> nobody knows about *nix
[14:22] <gotwig> :/
[14:23] <Debolaz> bobweaver: I'm pondering making a sync client for ownCloud, because there are so many issues with the current one on Ubuntu.
[14:23] <bobweaver> Juju Debolaz  ?
[14:24] <Debolaz> bobweaver: I'm still not sure what exactly juju is, even though I've read tons of blog posts about it. :-)
[14:24] <Debolaz> It's not been exceedingly well explained yet.
[14:24] <bobweaver> it is a service from what I gather
[14:24] <bobweaver> +1
[14:25] <bobweaver> talk to jorge
[14:25] <bobweaver> there is a juju channel not sure where
[14:25] <Debolaz> Going to http://juju.ubuntu.com/ doesn't really make you any wiser what it is either.
[14:25] <bobweaver> I tried to get a interview with one of them to put on my loccal radio show but ......
[14:28] <gotwig> the juju logo is so funny
[14:30] <gotwig> g2g
[14:31] <bobweaver> cya gotwig  and yeah I would help make something like what you showed me today
[14:32] <gotwig> bobweaver: :-)
[14:32] <gotwig> bobweaver: next time I am going to work on cookety support for Cooking Lens
[14:32] <gotwig> but it seems the author does not anymore care about cookety
[14:34] <bobweaver> I do not know what that is
[14:34] <bobweaver> but if it is the cooking network that would be great
[14:34] <bobweaver> are you useing api or scraping ?
[15:18] <bobweaver> ping davidcalle  when you get a minute could you help me with a scope ?
[15:20] <bobweaver> http://imagebin.org/226030
[15:21] <davidcalle> bobweaver, sure, where is there a branch somewhere?
[15:21] <davidcalle> is there*
[15:21] <bobweaver> sure I will push now
[15:21] <bobweaver> thanks david you rck brother
[15:21] <bobweaver> rock *
[15:26] <bobweavertv> er bzr explorer crashed my machine
[15:31] <smoser> hey. so 'ive just dist-upgraded, running quantal today.
[15:32] <bobweavertv> davidcalle,  https://code.launchpad.net/~josephjamesmills/+junk/mythtv-scope
[15:32] <smoser> and 2 displays (laptop and external). having issues. the displays settings seems to not have affect on the launcher bar. it shows on both screens reguardless of setting.
[15:32] <smoser> same is true with sticky edges
[15:32] <smoser> and the panels will not hide despite the settings in 'Appearance'
[15:33] <smoser> anyone else seeing such things ?
[15:33] <smoser> really annoying
[15:34] <bobweavertv> smoser,  what is apt-cache policy unity
[15:34] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1170056/
[15:35] <bobweavertv> yeah I have the same on e installed and am getting no troubles what is yu formfator set to ? auto ? '
[15:35] <smoser> formfactor?
[15:35] <smoser> you'll have to dumb it down for me :)
[15:35] <bobweavertv> ok
[15:35] <bobweavertv> open dconf editor
[15:35] <bobweavertv> if you do not have it install it
[15:36] <smoser> automatic
[15:36] <bobweavertv> change to desktop ?
[15:36] <bobweavertv> unless this is a notebook ?
[15:37] <smoser> its a laptop
[15:37] <smoser> its just plugged into an external display
[15:38] <bobweavertv> use desktop then but I am not sure that that is the trouble
[15:38] <davidcalle> bobweavertv, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~josephjamesmills/+junk/mythtv-scope/view/head:/lib/mythtvapi.py your issue is here, findBE () returns MYTHPROTOCOLPORT, but if  results is empty, MYTHPROTOCOLPORT doesn't exist. You need to declare MYTHPROTOCOLPORT before the loop on line 32, MYTHPROTOCOLPORT=None on line 31 for example.
[15:38] <smoser> it doesn't seem to change anything
[15:38] <bobweavertv> davidcalle,  you are awesome
[15:39] <davidcalle> bobweavertv, no problem, and kudos for all your UbuntuTV work, it's impressive :)
[15:39] <bobweavertv> not as impressive as the news lens and scope in the tv :)
[15:40] <bobweavertv> I need to learn more python or at least use it more often as I am a c++ guy soon though :) thanks again
[15:46] <smoser> well, hti si smor ethan a bit annoying.
[15:47] <smoser> this is more than a bit annoying (apparently i can't type)
[15:47] <bobweavertv> ouch
[15:47] <bobweavertv> davidcalle,  that did the trick thanks a ton
[15:48] <davidcalle> bobweavertv, no problem ;)
[15:48] <bobweavertv> I now have mythtv in my unity 3d TV
[15:48] <bobweavertv> but I must set up my mthtv backend better
[16:05] <smoser> so. after upgrading (quantal last week-ish to quantal today), i see the following issues:
[16:05] <smoser>  * i can' make "auto hide the launcher", "sticky edges" or "launcher placement" work. it wont hide, appears on all displays, and i have that annoying sticky edges.
[16:05] <smoser>  * if i reboot, i lose any settings that I set in ccsm (ie, keybindings for running commands and switching screens).
[16:06] <smoser>   this can also be triggered by logging out, logging in at console and killing any unity related process
[16:14] <bobweavertv> ccsm unity3d arch nemesis
[16:34] <antarus> I'm curious why notify-osd doens't seem to allow hyperlinks in messages?
[16:36] <seb128> what do you mean?
[16:37] <antarus> I mean I want a notification with clickable hyperlinks in it?
[16:40] <bobweavertv> linkaroo="http://ubuntu.com"; notify-send "this is a $linkaroo";
[16:41] <antarus> Its not clickable though :/
[16:42] <bobweavertv> yeah I am noticing that also
[16:42] <antarus> the spec seems to not care about this use case
[16:42] <bobweavertv> I guess look at how notify-send is working
[16:42] <antarus> well I assume it is just talking to notify-osd over dbus
[16:42] <bobweavertv> also \n should also be new line but no workey
[16:43] <antarus> basically I wnat to dump the gnome stuff and just do a browser plugin; but my co-workers keep pestering me to see if notify-osd can do what we want
[16:43] <antarus> it seems not though :/
[16:43] <antarus> unless I write an actual unity widget thing
[16:48] <bobweavertv> !bug 280840
[16:49]  * antarus loks
[16:49] <antarus> er looks*
[16:49] <antarus> ahh now there is the problem of mousing over the notification hides it ;)
[23:39] <loklaan> does the unity panel support drag & drop?
[23:47] <loklaan> and i do mean the panel, not the launcher


[09:35] <ogra> hrw, openjdk uploaded, thanks for the fix
[09:38] <hrw> np
[09:39] <hrw> ~curse low space situations
[09:50]  * ogra fires off an omap4 image build and crosses fingers
[09:51] <ogra> finally the metapackage is there
[09:54] <cooloney> ogra: good luck, man
[09:55] <ogra> didnt fail yet :)
[09:57]  * ogra wonders why he didnt get an accept/reject mail for openjdk yet
[09:59] <hrw> ncdu is in progress -  5 millions of files, 320GB taken
[09:59] <hrw> so far
[10:01] <michaelh1> hrw: I got a external drive for my BeagleBoard clone yesterday.  ~$100 US for 500 GB.  I was surprised how cheap they'd gotten...
[10:02] <hrw> michaelh1: I have 320+500+1500GB connected here
[10:02]  * ogra feels pity for hrw's USB hub
[10:03] <michaelh1> Phew!
[10:03] <hrw> 320 keeps debian + ubuntu rootfs + old local storage, 500 keeps /home and one old rootfs, 1500 is media storage
[10:03] <hrw> ogra: ?
[10:03] <hrw> ogra: all are sata
[10:04] <ogra> on the beagle ?
[10:04] <hrw> no, on desktop
[10:04] <ogra> ah
[10:04] <hrw> my beagle has 40GB pata
[10:04] <hrw> from my old laptop
[10:16] <ogra> ha ! seems omap4 will get through ... its past the critical point
[10:24] <ogra> hrw, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/51404604/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-armel.openjdk-6_6b20~pre1-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz :(
[10:26] <hrw> I got them installed on my bb
[10:26] <ogra> well, it seems it needs keytool from the former build
[10:26] <ogra> which apparently segfaults
[10:26] <ogra> hrm, no doko
[11:05] <ukleinek> ericm|ubuntu: hi, I just looked again in your "Auto calculate ZRELADDR" and there is a wrong hunk
[11:06] <ukleinek> ericm|ubuntu: +AFLAGS_head.o        := -DTEXT_OFFSET=$(CONFIG_TEXT_OFFSET) in arch/arm/boot/compressed/Makefile should go into 3/5, doesn't it?
[11:18] <ericm|ubuntu> ukleinek, yep, I need to clean up those patches
[11:57] <ukleinek> ericm|ubuntu: I intend to take 4 but not 3.  I will prepare a pull request after lunch
[12:00] <ericm|ubuntu> ukleinek, np
[12:55] <rsalveti> morning
[13:00] <cwillu_at_work> grumble grumble
[13:15] <ogra> rsalveti, hey !
[14:04] <ogra> hrm, so the omap4 images boot, but fail to properly resize the rootfs partition
[14:05]  * ogra blames asac
[14:13]  * armin76 blames both asac and ogra
[14:18]  * lool blames asac, ogra, and armin76
[14:21]  * armin76 adds lool to the blame list
[14:28]  * cwillu_at_work getse off scott free
[14:32]  * ogra feels blamed
[14:32] <ukleinek> ogra: seems to be correct
[14:39]  * ogra glares at bug 594233
[14:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 594233 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Pressing ctrl-alt-T gets you a root terminal in oem-config (affects: 1) (heat: 262)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/594233
[14:39] <ogra> geez
[14:49] <ogra> GRRRR !
[14:50] <ogra> i added break=bottom to the cmdline to debug it and now it seems to resize properly
[16:06] <ogra> ndec, so i have omap4 images, they seem to boot and resize the FS but as soon as X starts the board hangs hard
[16:07]  * ogra points ndec to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-preinstalled/current/
[16:09] <armin76> feature :D
[16:16] <rsalveti> haha :-)
[16:17] <GrueMaster> ogra: I see the omap image hasn't been rebuilt since 7/2.  Is that something to be concerned with?
[16:18] <ogra> GrueMaster, i just changed the crontab, we'll get fresh builds tonight
[16:18] <GrueMaster> ok
[16:18] <ogra> mono was sitting in NEW until this morning
[16:18] <ogra> that broke all image builds
[16:18] <GrueMaster> pfft.  figures.
[16:19] <ogra> from now on we'll get omap3 and 4 dailies
[16:19] <GrueMaster> ok
[16:19] <ogra> though ineed it will take twice as long
[16:19] <GrueMaster> I would also like to see md5sums & manifests sometime soon.
[16:19] <ogra> they should be hitting cdimage every day around 7:00 UTC
[16:20] <ogra> thats next on my list after i have flash-kernel working
[16:20] <GrueMaster> great, thanks.
[16:20] <ogra> unless NCommander is fster to provide a fix for debian-cd
[16:20] <ogra> :)
[16:21] <GrueMaster> flash-kernel shoould be somewhat easy.  the code needed is similar to dove.
[16:21] <ogra> not really
[16:21] <ogra> it needs to be backwards compatible to lucid beagle installs
[16:21] <GrueMaster> that could be tricky.
[16:21] <ogra> its not really hard, but i need all arches working first
[16:22] <ogra> having the panda hang hard somewhat blocks :)
[16:22] <GrueMaster> anything on serial console indicate why the hang?
[16:23] <ogra> nope
[16:24] <ogra> just hangs
[16:24] <GrueMaster> sounds like it might be a framebuffer issue.
[16:24] <ogra> it surely is
[16:25] <armin76> ogra: what about the blaze?
[16:25] <ogra> i also get "mint" colored fonts on the console
[16:25] <GrueMaster> Oooo.  Minty fresh errors, nice.
[16:25] <ogra> armin76, not the focus atm and we dont haver a bootlaoder for it currently
[16:25] <armin76> i see
[16:26]  * ogra needs to add a second build run to the u-boot and x-loader packages for omap4
[16:26] <NCommander> ogra: doubtful I'll have time to fix the hashes this week, although if I don't attend the Akademy day trip, I might do that then
[16:26] <ogra> NCommander, well, not sure if i manage to get to it this week either
[16:27] <ogra> panda and flash-kernel are my bit two this week
[16:27] <NCommander> GrueMaster: how'd you like the learn how our image building code works :-)
[16:27]  * NCommander ducks
[16:27] <GrueMaster> If it worked, I would love to.  :P
[16:27] <NCommander> GrueMaster: ouch.
[16:27] <GrueMaster> heh
[16:28] <ogra> NCommander, are you going home betweemt tampere and prague ?
[16:28] <ogra> *between
[16:28] <NCommander> Yes, for 7 days
[16:29] <ogra> what a waste
[16:29] <NCommander> ogra: why?
[16:29] <ogra> you should hitchhike from there to prague :)
[16:29] <NCommander> ogra: my plans aren't compeltely set in stone, if there's a reason-
[16:29] <GrueMaster> I thought you'd just head to Germany and crash on ogra's couch.
[16:29] <ogra> to see some of europe
[16:29] <NCommander> Heh, I don't have a visa for Russia
[16:29] <ogra> take a ferry from norway
[16:29] <NCommander> ogra: I'd love to, I'm planning my next vacation to go backpacking through Germany and Italy
[16:29] <amitk> err, you don't need to go to russia to go to prague
[16:30] <amitk> just take a ferry to estonia
[16:30] <NCommander> amitk: well, if I wanted to hitchhiker by car
[16:30] <ogra> amitk, but he could :)
[16:30] <ogra> amitk, he could go to prague via peking ;)
[16:30] <NCommander> ogra: I actually had booked the Akademy trip before the Prague trip was finalized.
[16:30] <NCommander> :-/
[16:30] <NCommander> If there's a work related reason to keep me in Europe though ;-)
[16:30] <NCommander> er
[16:30] <NCommander> I should say
[16:31] <NCommander> I attempted to book the Akademy trip before Prague was finalized
[16:31] <NCommander> and it never really occured to me to take vacation in the middle
[16:32] <ogra> berlin will surely be an experience next sunday
[16:32] <ogra> a very unique one :)
[16:32] <NCommander> ogra: what's next Sunday?
[16:32] <amitk> the experience will depend on wednesday though :)
[16:32] <GrueMaster> Why?  Do they think they'll win the world cup?
[16:32] <ogra> NCommander, we'll win the world cup .... about
[16:33] <NCommander> ogra: er, I had that experience already
[16:33]  * GrueMaster hides.
[16:33] <ogra> NCommander, not *that* kind
[16:33] <NCommander> ogra: uh, we were at UDS when Spain won the cup. I was in the middle of that riot :-P
[16:33] <GrueMaster> I think he's refering to Barcelona.
[16:33] <ogra> GrueMaster, they dont *think* they will, they *will* :)
[16:33] <ogra> GrueMaster, not comparable
[16:33] <ogra> NCommander, ^^^
[16:34] <ogra> that was just european masters
[16:34] <amitk> uefa?
[16:34] <ogra> yeah
[16:34] <NCommander> ogra: I thought that was the World Cup, maybe my memory gone soft
[16:34] <ogra> world cup is only all four years
[16:34] <NCommander> ah
[16:34]  * NCommander doesn't follow soccer that much
[16:35] <ogra> and the parties are way bigger in each country :)
[16:35] <ukleinek> especially in the non-European countries
[16:35] <NCommander> ogra: heh, fair enough. As I said, it was a lost opportunity, but at least I'll get a conslation prize of making the next level on my airline
[16:36] <ogra> ukleinek, well, only uruguay left with that opportunity :)
[16:36] <ogra> NCommander, beyond that barcelona != berlin :)
[16:36] <NCommander> ogra: that's true, I'd love to visit Berlin again. I'd like to see the western part of the city
[16:36] <ogra> will be very different to the uefa thing
[16:36]  * NCommander has enjoyed exploring Tampere though
[16:37]  * NCommander isn't so happy the Akademy venue moved 2km away from his hotel
[16:37] <ogra> its a healthy walk :)
[16:37] <amitk> NCommander: you should wait until Wednesday to change your plans though. You don't want to visit a morgue :-p
[16:37] <NCommander> amitk: indeed. I've seen the aftermath of a ffew roits
[16:38] <ogra> s/riot/party/ :)
[16:38] <NCommander> There's a fine line between those two
[16:38] <ogra> amitk, you think spain has any chance against *that* team ?
[16:39] <NCommander> ogra: given some of the calls I've seen by some the refs ...
[16:39] <NCommander> Plus didn't Spain already get knocked out?
[16:39] <ogra> spain vs germany is on wed.
[16:39] <amitk> ogra: Not after the demolition of Argentina, but I've been wrong before :)
[16:39] <ogra> if germany makes it they are in the final
[16:39] <NCommander> ogra: when's the final?
[16:39] <ogra> sunday
[16:39] <NCommander> eek
[16:39] <ogra> everywhere in berlin you have public viewing
[16:40] <NCommander> ogra: bugger, I'm thinking I really should have rethought my travel plans.
[16:40] <NCommander> not sure I can change them at this point without bring down the rath of HR
[16:40] <ogra> you could find a berlin girlfriend within hours ;)
[16:40] <GrueMaster> cheap, too.
[16:41] <NCommander> ogra: that won't save my job from wasting two flights :-P
[16:41] <GrueMaster> flight wise, you should be ok if you cancel 48 hours ahead.
[16:42] <ogra> WOAH !!!
[16:42]  * ogra just tried the image with a differnt SD
[16:42] <NCommander> ogra: ?
[16:42] <armin76> zumbi is spanish, go get him
[16:42] <ogra> it just started X at 1920x1200
[16:42] <NCommander> GrueMaster: usually flights booked by Canonical are non-refundable
[16:42] <GrueMaster> ouch.
[16:42] <NCommander> GrueMaster: that's the official policy.
[16:43] <armin76> to say ouch? :D
[16:43] <ogra> yeah, definately
[16:43] <GrueMaster> armin76: it's better than what could be said.  :P
[16:44] <ogra> GrueMaster, so try the omap4 on your panda, seems its a matter of cosmic rays or so if X starts or not
[16:44] <zumbi> armin76: ?
[16:44] <ogra> zumbi, he is referring to footbal
[16:44] <ogra> l
[16:44] <ukleinek> zumbi: ogra means soccer
[16:44] <NCommander> ogra: I'll talk to davidm tomorrow as he's the definitive source of infomration on such topics (and he'd have to approve vacation anyway for me to stay here int eh EU unless I worked)
[16:45] <NCommander> pfft
[16:45] <NCommander> we should call it football
[16:45] <NCommander> American football isn't football, its handball
[16:45] <ogra> ukleinek, only illiterate people call it soccer :)
[16:45] <ogra> like americans :P
[16:46] <zumbi> well, it is going to be good game, I still need to find out where I am going to watch it
[16:47] <GrueMaster> Personally, I would prefer we either did away with football, or made it secondary.  I much prefer rugby & soccer.  More blood.
[16:47] <zumbi> ukleinek: btw, any news from digi? is rmk finally taking ns9xxx away?
[16:48] <zumbi> GrueMaster: make beer default instead water?
[16:48] <GrueMaster> it isn't?
[16:48] <ukleinek> zumbi: pedro got a bcc of my PROCESSOR_NS9750 mail, apart from that I don't know anything new
[16:49] <zumbi> ukleinek: yet another mess, i suspect
[16:50] <ogra> zumbi, will surely the best game of this worldcup
[16:50] <ukleinek> zumbi: http://news.gmane.org/find-root.php?group=gmane.linux.kernel&article=1006408
[16:50] <ukleinek> ogra: only if Spain will be better than in the match against Portugal
[16:51] <ogra> indeed
[16:52]  * ukleinek bets 2:2 at half time and 4:1 after full time
[16:53] <ogra> lol
[16:53] <ogra> how would that work ?
[16:53] <zumbi> O_o -- can you substract goals in "soccer"? hehe
[16:54] <armin76> lol
[16:54] <ogra> you never know with *that kind of referees*
[16:54] <ukleinek> ogra: Germany will make it no matter if it works or not \o/
[16:54] <ogra> ukleinek, definately
[16:57] <zumbi> i just hope not to see Torres from the starting point to be replaced afterwards.. spain is not playing as well as they did in the eurocup
[16:58] <ukleinek> ogra: apropos of illiterate, it's "definitely" not "definately" :-)
[16:59] <ogra> heh
[17:00] <ogra> zumbi, but as the german coach said, spain has a collection of messi's, it will be harder than argentinia
[17:03] <zumbi> ogra: yes, it is easy to beat spain, you just need to block Xavi and Iniesta (and Villa).
[17:04] <ogra> zumbi, thats two more than messi :)
[17:04] <ogra> and there are 8 others on the field :)
[17:06] <zumbi> we'll see.. spain needs at least one world cup (we have none)
[17:06] <ogra> we'd like a fourht one :)
[17:07] <zumbi> greedy
[17:07] <ogra> heh
[17:07] <zumbi> :)
[17:07] <ogra> if you beat us you definately deserve it ... as long as NL doesnt get it :)
[17:16] <hrw|gone> ogra: Germany soccer team has strongest Polish attack
[17:16] <hrw|gone> ;D
[17:25] <ogra> hrw|gone, yeah !
[17:27]  * ogra calls it a day now
[19:57] <lool> hrw|gone: Did plenty of testing, see bug


[18:18] <teward> what do I need to do to get an FFe for a sync req for something in Universe?
[18:30] <ari-tczew> !FFe
[18:30] <ari-tczew> teward: ^
[18:34] <teward> well... the bug already exists, I believe I have to modify it for FFe
[18:39] <ari-tczew> do it ;)
[19:08] <infinity> teward: Just ask.  For most of universe, the default answer is "go nuts".
[19:09] <bluesabre> :)
[19:13] <ScottK> infinity: getdns has a soname mismatch problem that's just now fixed in Debian.  Can I get an IRC FFe from you and will you take care of binary New?  There's one rdep and I'll take care of it.
[19:16] <teward> infinity: well, the bug exists, but i want to follow the process anyways - i want to make sure there's not an FTBFS (ran into a nondeterministic FTBFS in a test build on my local sbuild instance on a system here at home, want to make sure it wasn't a glitch, so i'm running the build again with a brand new schroot)
[19:16] <teward> besides, thorough testing means less fails later on :0
[19:16] <teward> :) *
[19:17] <teward> infinity: it's also not a package i maintain, just one i try and nudge along :)
[19:26] <infinity> teward: Sounds fine by me.
[19:26] <infinity> Err.
[19:26] <infinity> ScottK: ^-- That was for you.
[19:26] <ScottK> thanks.
[19:27] <teward> infinity: heh :)
[19:31] <elfy> infinity: we has try/install dialogue \o/  thanks to you and cyphermox - lovely to work with you :)
[19:48] <ScottK> infinity: ^^^ that's all of them.
[19:49] <infinity> ScottK: I, too, can count to six. :)
[19:50] <ScottK> Wasn't sure how closely you were watching.
[19:51] <infinity> That closely.
[19:51] <ScottK> Apparently.
[19:53] <ScottK> Conveniently, the rdepend (python-getdns) was depwait on this newer version, so I don't even need to upload a no change rebuild.
[19:54] <infinity> Handy.
[21:16] <ScottK> Of course the version sync'ed from Debian was fubar, so it needed an upload anyway ...
[21:48] <teward> ScottK / Logan: Thanks for looking at the znc sync - i was just spinning up the VM too when the FFe was approved and the sync happened, thanks again!
[21:48] <Logan> sure :)
[21:49] <ScottK> yw.  Fortunately FFe aren't coming in too fast and furious yet, so it's easy to keep up.
[21:51] <teward> ScottK: well, FF was only yesterday, no?  I actually filed that bug just before FF, but because Debian hadn't caught up yet, well... :P
[21:51]  * ScottK waits for Adam to count to six again.
[21:52] <Logan> ScottK: how about my ~ubuntu-archive bugs? ;)
[21:52] <ScottK> Maybe later.  Actually I'm about to be AFK for awhile.
[21:52] <infinity> ScottK: I was otherwise occupied. ;)
[21:52] <Logan> it's okay, infinity can take care of them
[21:53] <Logan> I think some package removal requests are still open from the trusty cycle
[21:53] <infinity> Logan: No promises.
[21:53] <Logan> :P
[21:54] <infinity> ScottK: That was an impressive number of fixes required for python-getdns.
[21:54] <ScottK> infinity: Yeah.  All clearly from the DD only building in a dirty environment.
[21:54] <infinity> ScottK: Yep, it's failed on all arches except the one he uploaded on.
[21:54] <ScottK> Fortunately it's in DPMT, so I just fixed it in Debian too.


[00:00] <phillw> Try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg".
[00:01] <arlbee> I will try that Phill & come back
[00:09] <arlbee> I logged in on a text screen, then run what you said, it asked me for root pwd, then it didn't seem to do anything, at least no further text was displayed other than it going back to the $prompt......should I try to reboot ?
[00:13] <phillw> arlbee: if you have been asked for your password, and no  errors have been reported, I'd go for the re-boot; just please bear in mind that I'm not guaranteeing that will sort it for you (it should, but I've never used it).
[00:14] <arlbee> I just rebooted but it is still the same as before.....I am really stuck
[00:15] <phillw> hmm, let me have a look, you may need to remove the exisiting file and force it to make a new one... It will take a few minutes for me to get the instructions for that.
[00:16] <arlbee> Thanks.....I appreciate any assistance
[00:21] <phillw> arlbee: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1457616 has details on re-creatig the xorg file, that is along the lines of what I recall about things. The guys and gals over at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=334 would be better able to help you (the stickie is a good one to read) if you explain your problem there, they are far more up to speed on video matters.
[00:25] <arlbee> Thanks Phillw....I will read up & try
[00:26] <phillw> I'm sorry, but I am not a graphics card person. the people on that sub-forum certainly are though :-)
[01:49] <edlik> Please help, some of my usb ports appear to be not working
[02:16] <timh> hi.  my pager (window list manager on the lower panel) quit paging.  It is locked on Desk 1.
[02:19] <stlsaint> timh: try restarting gdm (or whatever DE you have)
[07:37] <darren__> how do you grab email from one ubuntu partition into the new one , ie. old ubuntu was 9.10 updated to 10.04 and i have just installed 10.04 from live cd. in install it only asks if you want to import from windoZe partition not other ubuntu or slackware partitions
[07:38] <darren__> bloody touchpad , i want to import emails from old ubuntu to new installed one
[07:40] <hobgoblin> with evolutiion you can do a backup then import that, t-bird you can copy the folder in /home
[07:41] <hobgoblin> possibly you can copy the evolution folder as well but I don't use it
[07:41] <darren__> ah cheers, i know how to backup and install, will do that
[07:42] <darren__> is there anywhere i can get a tutorial on config. and use of ORCA speech
[07:45] <hobgoblin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Accessibility http://live.gnome.org/Orca
[07:45] <hobgoblin> what do you mean by config?
[07:58] <darren__> setting voices that are easy to listen to,speed of voice, what get read, especially internet pages, what programs it works in etc
[08:01] <hobgoblin> oic - I can't help much with that then - check the links and/or wait for someone else
[08:01] <phillw> darren__: there is an accessibily sub area on the main forum at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=145 there is also a mailing list for them
[08:03] <phillw> the mailing list is ubuntu-accessibility.lists.ubuntu.com  although I would think you need to join ( I am a member of it, so if you need help doing so, please ask).
[08:05] <phillw> btw, good morning hobgoblin :-)
[08:06] <hobgoblin> morning phillw
[08:06] <IdleOne> darren__: #ubuntu-accessibility is also a good place for help with orca I believe
[08:07] <IdleOne> darren__: may or may not be active depending on time zone
[08:07] <hobgoblin> darren__: there you go - loads of people springing out of the woodowor :)
[08:08] <IdleOne> I just checked the channel does not have many users but I know that the team is actively working
[08:09]  * phillw there are excellent resources for accessibilty, it just may take a little while to get answers
[08:11] <darren__> sorry guys yer im still here was doing google search on topic
[08:13] <hobgoblin> it's ok this isn't some instant messenger thingy :)
[08:14] <phillw> darren__: the link to the sub-forum would be a good place to start ^^^
[08:15] <darren__> #ubuntu-accessibility, is that what you mean phillw
[08:17] <darren__>  ubuntu-accessibility.lists.ubuntu.com  - is this a webpage,  because i get server not found error
[08:20] <phillw> darren__: give me a moment
[08:21] <phillw> darren__: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility
[08:31] <darren__> heh cheers phillw, i appreciate it, sometimes navigating around planet ubuntu is daunting
[08:33] <IdleOne><EMAIL_ADDRESS>I believe is the email list
[08:33] <IdleOne> that wiki page just above probably has a link to sign up
[08:35] <IdleOne> with that I bid you all a good whatever time zone appropriate greeting :)
[08:36] <hobgoblin> cya IdleOne
[08:38] <phillw> IdleOne: from that page you will get in contact with them, I'm not that active on it but do keep a check and interact with it http://forum.phillw.net/viewforum.php?f=14 holds my views
[10:51] <marcr> hey i havea problem trying to format my new external hard drive to fat32 so i can use it on my ps3, i can see the device in g parted but i am unable to select format, i tried to unmount the drive but the doesn't work, when i click the file sys that says ntfs, it tells me it cannot find the mount point, anyone know of a fix or what i have done wrong
[10:56] <phillw> marcr: does gparted report back that it cannot access it?
[11:00] <marcr> phillw warning
[11:00] <marcr> unable to find mountpoint
[11:00] <marcr> unable to read the contents of this filesystem!
[11:00] <marcr> because of this some operations may be unavailable.
[11:00] <marcr> this is all i get, the unmount optsion is available but not the format
[11:04] <phillw> hmmm, what does
[11:04] <phillw> sudo fdisk -l
[11:04] <phillw> report?
[11:05] <phillw> !pastebin
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[11:05] <phillw> !pastebinint
[11:05] <ubot2> Factoid 'pastebinint' not found
[11:08] <marcr> ok really dumb question do i need to acesses the HDD in the termial
[11:09] <phillw> if the hard drive is connected up, then fdisk -l should "see it"
[11:09] <phillw> possibly as /dev/sdb at the start of it
[11:10] <marcr> got it
[11:10] <phillw> now issue
[11:10] <phillw> df
[11:10] <phillw> is it on that list also?
[11:10] <marcr> yeah it is
[11:10] <marcr> huh
[11:10] <marcr> command df?
[11:11] <phillw> df - report file system disk space usage
[11:11] <phillw> df only reports back for areas that are mounted, the sudo fdisk -l digs a bit further
[11:12] <marcr> i have def sda1 and def sdf1
[11:12] <phillw> sdf would be a boot device?
[11:13] <marcr> no it's the iomega HDD
[11:13] <phillw> was it plugged in when you booted your computer?
[11:14] <phillw> booted == started / turned on
[11:14] <marcr> i was but has be disconnected and reconnect since
[11:14] <marcr> i know boot lol
[11:14] <phillw> okay, when you plug it in, the system should ask to mount it.
[11:15] <marcr> ok should i reboot and plug it in after?
[11:15] <phillw> if you do df, you should see an entry that starts /media
[11:16] <marcr> yes it did
[11:17] <phillw> I'm not in ubuntu atm, under adminstration do you have the option "Disk Utility"?
[11:19] <marcr> yeah
[11:19] <marcr> i'm in
[11:19] <phillw> under that you should have the option to select the disk, from there you can unmount it
[11:20] <marcr> yeah, i can also format it from here by the looks, or is g parted better?
[11:20] <phillw> they are both GUI's to the same command :-)
[11:21] <marcr> :)
[11:21] <marcr> well the unmounted it
[11:21] <phillw> just make sure you choose the correct disk, linux does not do "Are you sure" ;-)
[11:21] <marcr> i have read you got to fat32 and keep all the files
[11:22] <marcr> is that true
[11:22] <phillw> marcr: hey i havea problem trying to format my new external hard drive to fat32
[11:22] <phillw> when you press "nuke the drive" it will do
[11:23] <phillw> ahh, you want to format it for ps3?
[11:23] <marcr> yes
[11:23]  * phillw slow
[11:23] <marcr> i put my media on already
[11:23] <phillw> give me a moment, my drive came ps3 ready
[11:23] <marcr> not knowing ps3 didn't do ntfs
[11:24] <marcr> just might save me a few hour if i can do it
[11:25] <marcr> my computer is a dinosaur
[11:26] <phillw> marcr: I've got some really bad news for you
[11:26] <phillw> The latest firmware upgrade for the bios apparently prevents any operating systems (such as Ubuntu) from being installed. So please avoid getting the new bios
[11:26] <phillw> So, I'm going to have to a bit of digging
[11:27] <marcr> yeah already did it, i just want to play the media on it thorough the ps3
[11:28] <marcr> i read that i need the file format to be fat32
[11:29] <phillw> marcr: I'm reading something far more scary :-\  http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/702626
[11:31] <phillw> but, it does discuss things. If you do not any joy on there, I can only suggest you ask over on http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=93
[11:32] <marcr> i saw that but didn't get to far down the page, my label has a space also
[11:33] <marcr> i will just nuke the bugger
[11:34] <phillw> marcr: My new drive was "ps3" compliant *what ever that means*, from the bit I've read if it is fat32 formatted, when you plug it into your ps3, it will ask to reformat it.
[11:36] <marcr> ergh, well i can only muck around with it some more, you got me thru the format roadblock tho, i'm doing that now
[11:37] <marcr> would you like to know how it goes?
[11:37] <marcr> hmmm, a terrabyte will take some time huh?
[11:40] <phillw> I'd recommend you head over to http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=93 I needed a new 2.5" drive and it came "PS3 ready", yeah, like I needed that - I just turned it into linux, you want to do the opposite thing :-)
[11:41] <phillw> marcr: I'd be delighted to know how you get on, but I'd really suggest you ask on that area of the forum
[11:43]  * phillw just a librarian, point people to the area of knowledge that they need. :-D
[11:45] <marcr> yeah, forum just take so long and i normally get few conficting solution, which lead to an online fight lol but i'll give it a crack if this doesn't work thank you phillw been an awesome help
[11:46] <phillw> that area I pointed you to, should be okay
[11:49] <phillw> good morning hobgoblin, i don't suppose you know of any PS3 people who are about this time of day?
[11:50] <marcr> ok interesting i put 1 video on it looks like i'll be on the forum, it now see the hdd but does not see the video
[11:50] <hobgoblin> phillw: nope sorry
[11:52] <phillw> marcr: you're going to have to hit the forum area. Sorry I cannot walk you through it, my knowledge of the way 2.5" disks and ps3 are limited to the fact that I know they work :-(
[11:53] <marcr> yeah just signing up to that one now
[11:53] <marcr> ergh gotta go afk need to get my son a dummy
[11:54] <phillw> ##ps3 exists, not sure how active it is. I'd still go for the forum.
[12:09] <phillw> hi pedro3005
[12:09] <pedro3005> hey phillw
[13:29] <_schism_> morning all
[13:29] <marcr> hello, any hdd and or ps3 experts in?
[13:31] <_schism_> can anyone help me with a small video problem? I have some movies of my kids I want to make into a dvd for the grandparents and cat seem to find a ubuntu solution that works.  devede converts it to a dvd but it doesnt burn. anyone have anywhere they can point me?
[13:31] <vangelis> anyone knows how to access recent documents (under places)?
[13:33] <hobgoblin> marcr: sorry - not me
[13:33] <hobgoblin> _schism_: I was under the impression that devede did that as well - but I will have a look
[13:34] <_schism_> hobgoblin, it looks like it does but I cant get the dvd image to burn to a dvd or even get the image to mount and play it there.  so looking for some other ideas while I am messing with devede
[13:39] <hobgoblin> _schism_: maybe pitivi - I know it is included by default now - but if you've not found these pages they might be of some help http://www.pitivi.org/ and the devede one http://www.rastersoft.com/programas/devede.html
[13:39] <hobgoblin> I am pretty sure that devede will do what you want - I just not used it - tbh I don't even have advd burner ;)
[13:39] <_schism_> hobgoblin, thanks I had not come accross that yet I'll go look at them now.
[13:40] <hobgoblin> vangelis: I'm not sure that you can - places is for 'places' recent documents could be in more than one 'place' I know mine are
[13:40] <_schism_> may be a setting I goofed up in devede I am still messing with it and although I have used nix for a couple f years I am a noob
[13:40] <hobgoblin> vangelis: though if your docs are all in one place you can drag that across
[13:41] <vangelis> hobgoblin: my docs are all in one place. what do you mean drag that across. I just need an easy way to access my recent docs and I was thinking to create a shortcut.
[13:42] <hobgoblin> vangelis: that is what it does - you can either bookmark - add in the nautilus toolbar or if they are in a folder for instance drag the folder to the left where into places
[13:43] <vangelis> yes, but I don't just want them under places. I want them under recent documents (which is under places). does this make sense?
[13:44] <hobgoblin> yes - not sure you can do that
[13:44] <vangelis> hobgoblin:yes, but I don't just want them under places. I want them under recent documents (which is under places). does this make sense?
[13:44] <hobgoblin> different places - I was talking about the sidebar in nautilus
[13:45] <vangelis> hobgoblin:yes, but recent documents have to be stored somewhere, no?
[13:47] <vangelis> hobgoblin:from my so far search, they are stored in ./recently-used.xbel
[13:48] <hobgoblin> if they are then create a shortcut
[13:49] <hobgoblin> mmm - not here they aren't
[13:50] <hobgoblin> I lied
[13:50] <hobgoblin> not sure that file will be much help
[13:50] <vangelis> hobgoblin:that's what I want to do. but I can't find the file :S
[13:51] <hobgoblin> it's .recently-used.xbel
[13:51] <hobgoblin> in home
[13:52] <vangelis> hobgoblin:lol...it's supposed to be, but it's just not there :(
[13:52] <hobgoblin> so you want to duplicate the recent docs you can see in the menu in nautilus
[13:52] <vangelis> hobgoblin:in a way, yes!!
[13:52] <hobgoblin> vangelis: you're one ./recently-used.xbel has a /
[13:53] <hobgoblin> but regardless I am not sure that file will be of any help
[13:53] <vangelis> hobgoblin:I'm using nautilus and go to home and trying to find it. on command prompt, it won't let me access it
[13:55] <hobgoblin> if the docs are in one place I would make that a bookmark - I don't know otherwise
[13:56] <vangelis> hobgoblin:OK. thanks very much anyway :)
[13:57] <hobgoblin> it might be hard coded into nautilus - in which case you'd need to fiddle with the code I guess
[16:25] <merge> hi! Is there a way to turn off/on the sound of specific programs? iow I want to have sound in Empathy but sowhere else.
[16:26] <merge> When I use the "no sounds" profile, can I turn the sounds for Empathy on?
[16:32] <IdleOne> hmm I think you want to keep the sound on system wide and  turn it off per application
[16:35] <merge> that would be fine when I can turn off the ubuntu login sound as well
[16:37] <IdleOne> I see what you are saying, the login manager at this point lacks features
[16:38] <IdleOne> sorry don't know what else to offer as a solution.
[16:49] <shpongle> merge, to turn off the login sound you can use Ubuntu Tweak
[16:56] <FenBo> tried to start phpmyadmin got this: Not Found  The requested URL /phpmyadmin/ was not found on this server. Apache/2.2.14 (Ubuntu) Server at localhost Port 80   ... when i look at config.inc.php ii is empty. How do I setup phpmyadmin?
[19:13] <John__> Hi there
[19:16] <Schrodingerscat1> hello?
[19:18] <shpongle> Schrodingerscat1, hey there
[19:18] <Schrodingerscat1> Super noob question here, do you mind?
[19:18] <shpongle> Schrodingerscat1, i can surely try :)
[19:19] <IdleOne> hello Schrodingerscat1
[19:20] <shpongle> Schrodingerscat1, you don't need to be shy or to ask for asking, just ask.. no one will laugh at you, i promise you :)
[19:20] <Schrodingerscat1> Okay, so I recently had a pc die on me, pretty sure my boot drive is corrupted. I'm trying to boot from a ubuntu 10.04 liveDVD to save some files before I either reformat it or turf the drive. When i boot from the liveDVD it shows the ubuntu logo and "scrolling dots", but then it just gets to a corrupted screen that looks like static/white noise.
[19:20] <Schrodingerscat1> I haven't md5'd the dvd, but do you think that's the problem?
[19:21] <Schrodingerscat1> or perhaps a graphics driver/GPU issue?
[19:21] <IdleOne> md5 first and make sure the image is good
[19:22] <IdleOne> also I did not know Ubuntu had Live DVD
[19:22] <Schrodingerscat1> well, i only had blank dvd's, so i found a dvd image in the "alternate downloads" section
[19:23] <Schrodingerscat1> i think it's the same thing as the live cd only with multiple languages
[19:24] <IdleOne> Schrodingerscat1: you got a link?
[19:24] <Schrodingerscat1> http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/alternative-download
[19:24] <Schrodingerscat1> scroll to the bottom
[19:27] <IdleOne> ok, well I suggest you always md5sum to start. Also believe the live cd/dvd use generic graphics drivers so that should not be an issue
[19:27] <IdleOne> I found that I get better burns when I burn at the slowest speed possible
[19:27] <Schrodingerscat1> yes, I definitely did that, but thanks for reminding me
[19:28] <Schrodingerscat1> Question though, does checking "verify" after a burn do an md5sum?
[19:28] <IdleOne> for anything more specific you could try asking in #ubuntu also
[19:28] <IdleOne> Schrodingerscat1: I don't believe so
[19:28] <IdleOne> md5 checks if the file you have is equal to the file the server has
[19:29] <Schrodingerscat1> yes, true, good point :)
[19:29] <IdleOne> so save a disc and md5 before burning :)
[19:29] <Schrodingerscat1> okay, well I think what I'll try to do is go burn a cd instead of a dvd on a separate laptop, and hope that works
[19:29] <Schrodingerscat1> and while that's happening I'll md5 this dvd just to see what happens
[19:30] <IdleOne> sounds good.
[19:30] <Schrodingerscat1> thanks very much for your time
[19:32] <IdleOne> Always feel free to ask questions anytime. you may not get an answer right away but you will never get an answer if you don't ask :)
[19:33] <Schrodingerscat1> Haha, good point. Thanks a lot, have a good day.
[20:18] <suprengr> I've this on #ubuntu but no reply, so trying here [especially as the likes of ikonia appear to be here atm]... Anyone got any thoughts re Firestarter vs. GUFW? .. reason for asking is that I've heard 'rumours' re Firestarter's insecurity?  Although I now use GUFW I really did like the capabilties of Firestater and would love tob switch back... if safe.
[20:19] <suprengr> *to switch
[20:20] <aveilleux> suprengr, As far as I know Firestarter and GUFW are just frontends to the same firewall
[20:20] <aveilleux> suprengr, I could be wrong though
[20:21] <IdleOne> they are both frontends to iptables
[20:22] <suprengr> I know they both config iptables but FS gave so much more as well... then there were rumours re FS being hackable?
[20:22] <pleia2> gufw is a front end for ubuntu fireweall (ufw) which is a pretty common things these days
[20:22] <IdleOne> use which ever you like, keep updated and you should be fine
[20:22] <pleia2> I don't know about firestarter
[20:22] <suprengr> hi there idleone
[20:23] <IdleOne> hey
[20:23] <suprengr> 3rd time you've offered me help/opion.... thanks
[20:23] <IdleOne> heh I try
[20:23] <pleia2> suprengr: I'd recommending using gufw simply because it's the more common/supported one in the community
[20:23] <pleia2> recommend
[20:24] <IdleOne> I would go with pleia2's recommendation seeing how she is just awesome
[20:24] <IdleOne> like a Rock Star
[20:24] <IdleOne> but more cool
[20:24] <IdleOne> with less glitter
[20:24] <IdleOne> lol
[20:24] <pleia2> oh, "ufw" is "uncomplicated firewall"
[20:24] <pleia2> well, it's the one ubuntu uses anyway :)
[20:24] <suprengr> pleia2 IdleOne : ok, cool - will do
[20:24] <pleia2> I don't use either :\
[20:25] <IdleOne> me either
[20:25] <IdleOne> hack me all you want all you will find is pictures of my babies
[20:25] <suprengr> ..butn who uses glitter, hu?
[20:25] <suprengr> *huh
[20:26] <pleia2> well, on my firewall I just write the iptables
[20:26] <pleia2> and on my netbook I just don't run services, so there isn't much *to* break into
[20:26] <pleia2> s/services/external services
[20:28] <slidinghorn> same here -- nothing worth stealing  -- kinda like my apt
[20:28] <slidinghorn> but I still protect my apartment ;-)
[20:29] <pleia2> I don't have stuff worth stealing, just have multiple networks at home and a VPN to work so I need to route my traffic appropriately
[20:29] <pleia2> (this is what happens with a work-from-home sysadmin and a network engineer live together)
[20:30] <IdleOne> heh
[20:30] <suprengr> :-D
[20:30] <IdleOne> So before you moved in you two sat down and had to figure out the network situation?
[20:31] <pleia2> IdleOne: yeah
[20:31] <pleia2> there is a diagram
[20:31] <IdleOne> Your packets are getting in my way!!!
[20:31] <pleia2> I don't want to go out on your reverse dns!
[20:35] <shahan> Is there any one who have downloaded the file directx_feb2010_redist.exe
[20:35] <shahan> ?
[20:35] <shahan> how MegaByte is the file is?
[20:38] <aveilleux> shahan, the DirectX Redistributable package from Microsoft? Why do you ask?
[20:39] <shahan> aveilleux: I wanna install it in wine...
[20:39] <aveilleux> shahan, use Winetricks to install it
[20:39] <shahan> aveilleux: ya... I am installing this....
[20:39] <aveilleux> http://wiki.winehq.org/winetricks
[20:39] <shahan> aveilleux: directx_feb2010_redist.exe is downloading for a long time....
[20:40] <aveilleux> shahan, I don't know how large it is. Wget should tell you.
[20:40] <shahan> aveilleux: not finishing yet... already downloaded 40 MB
[20:40] <shahan> aveilleux: how to ask Wget?
[20:40] <aveilleux> shahan, It should be somewhere around 150 MB iirc
[20:41] <squaregoldfish> shahan: 104Mb
[20:41] <squaregoldfish> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=0CEF8180-E94A-4F56-B157-5AB8109CB4F5&displaylang=en
[20:41] <shahan> squaregoldfish: hmm
[20:42] <shahan> squaregoldfish: tnx
[20:42] <shahan> aveilleux: tnx
[20:43] <shahan> It has downloaded 45.5 MB
[20:43] <shahan> already
[20:43] <shahan> If I now turn off my PC, will it be paused or cancelex
[20:43] <shahan> canceled?
[20:44] <squaregoldfish> shahan: Assuming the server supports it, wget will pick up where it left off. Check the man page to see if you should pass it any special flags, but I don't think so.
[20:44] <squaregoldfish> (Assuming you're using wget, that is...)
[20:46] <voxyn> Hello
[20:46] <squaregoldfish> Hello
[20:46] <voxyn> I understand that here are all the linux geeks to help you :P?
[20:46] <squaregoldfish> Some of them - just ask a question and if we know we'll answer
[20:47] <voxyn> Well i'm installing ubuntu dekstop on my netbook currently but it is possible to switch between the netbook remix skin and the normal ubuntu enviroment?
[20:50] <aveilleux> Voxyn, Not that I know of
[20:51] <shahan> squaregoldfish: I am using winetricks to download the directx_feb2010_redist.exe
[20:52] <shahan> squaregoldfish: and downloaded the winetricks by wget http://www.kegel.com/wine/winetricks
[20:52] <shahan> wget http://www.kegel.com/wine/winetricks
[20:53] <suprengr> squaregoldfish: it was included / tried in UNR 9.x... useful if not often used..; now [appaently] dropped.
[20:56] <suprengr> very sorry squaregoldfish wrong tab - daughter got to the keyboard
[20:57] <suprengr> voxyn:  it was included / tried in UNR 9.x... useful if not often used..; now [appaently] dropped.
[21:00] <squaregoldfish> shahan: I think you'll be OK. The script is set up to continue previous downloads. It should also skip any files you've already downloaded :)
[21:08] <voxyn> Thanks for hte help anyway ;0
[21:45] <Schrodingerscat1> Hi everyone, question
[21:47] <aveilleux> Schrodingerscat1, maybe answer
[21:47] <Schrodingerscat1> Thanks!
[21:48] <Schrodingerscat1> I recently burned a 10.04 live cd, and I can't get it to work
[21:48] <Schrodingerscat1> I did an md5sum of the iso and the cd after I burned it, both of them checked out
[21:48] <aveilleux> Schrodingerscat1: Define "Can't get it to work"
[21:48] <Schrodingerscat1> haha, yes, that would be useful wouldn't it?
[21:49] <Schrodingerscat1> so, the livecd starts up, i see the ubuntu text/logo and loading bar beneath it, but then it just goes to a screen that looks like lines of white noise and static
[21:50] <aveilleux> Schrodingerscat1: What speed did you burn the disc at?
[21:50] <Schrodingerscat1> 4x
[21:50] <Schrodingerscat1> I made sure to do it very slowly
[21:51] <aveilleux> Schrodingerscat1: Do you have another computer to test the disc in?
[21:51] <Schrodingerscat1> I do, which I was thinking of doing next, but it is a mac
[21:52] <Schrodingerscat1> so i'm not sure this helps me isolate what the problem is necessarily, although I guess it could tell me if my cd is good
[21:53] <aveilleux> Schrodingerscat1: Is it an Intel mac?
[21:53] <Schrodingerscat1> Yes it is
[21:53] <aveilleux> Schrodingerscat1: Then it'll work to test
[21:54] <Schrodingerscat1> Okay then. Well, it's the computer I'm currently using, so i'll have to log off to test it. What do you think could be the problem with the pc if it works on my mac?
[21:54] <Schrodingerscat1> some sort of video driver issue?
[21:54] <aveilleux> Schrodingerscat1: Not sure. I get that sometimes when I boot up on my Thinkpad (HDD install), so try again?
[21:55] <Schrodingerscat1> Mmm. I haven't actually done a full install, this is just booting straight from the cd
[21:56] <Schrodingerscat1> I think my HDD is failing though, hence trying to use the live cd to dump the files off it before i format the drive
[21:56] <Schrodingerscat1> would that affect it?
[21:56] <aveilleux> Schrodingerscat1: Probably not.
[21:56] <Schrodingerscat1> That's what I thought. Such an odd issue.
[21:56] <bobo123> I think the ubuntu-cd should work ok even if your harddisk goes completetly dead
[21:57] <Schrodingerscat1> Yeah that's what i thought
[21:57] <Schrodingerscat1> I guess I'll try it on my mac and see what happens
[21:57] <Schrodingerscat1> I'll probably be back :P
[21:57] <bobo123> ok
[21:57] <Schrodingerscat1> Thanks a lot guys, appreciate your help
[22:26] <aveilleux> How did it go?
[22:26] <Schrodingerscat1> Well, the cd seems to work perfectly on my laptop
[22:26] <Schrodingerscat1> but I still get booting to the corrupted screen right after the "Try ubuntu" selection on the pc
[22:27] <Schrodingerscat1> (Laptop = mac)
[22:27] <aveilleux> Schrodingerscat1: Could be a video driver issue
[22:27] <Schrodingerscat1> Yes, i was thinking that
[22:27] <aveilleux> Schrodingerscat1: Realized that :P
[22:27] <Schrodingerscat1> but it's a pretty mainstream nvidia card
[22:27] <Schrodingerscat1> anything I could do to overcome this?
[22:29] <aveilleux> Schrodingerscat1: Hm, not sure. On the disc, can you set it to safe graphics mode?
[22:29] <Schrodingerscat1> interesting, is there a specific set of boot parameters for that?
[22:29] <aveilleux> Schrodingerscat1: I don't have a liveCD right now, so I don't know the procedures
[22:29] <Schrodingerscat1> argh, let me prowl the wiki
[22:29] <aveilleux> schrodingerscat1: Give me a minute, I have fast Internet. I can get the ISO and look at it in VBox
[22:29] <Schrodingerscat1> Thanks so much :D
[22:30] <aveilleux> schrodingerscat1: (after exiting BioShock on the other computer xD )
[22:30] <Schrodingerscat1> lol, such a great game
[22:32] <Schrodingerscat1> This is the page I was looking at, fyi
[22:32] <Schrodingerscat1> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootParameters
[22:32] <Schrodingerscat1> I tried replacing quiet splash, and this way it let me watch the loading process with a lot of text readout for a minute or so, but it still ended up at the corrupted screen after that
[22:35] <aveilleux> Schrodingerscat1: There's a way to boot into safe graphics mode (generic driver) without manually modifying the boot parameters. Let me boot into the LiveCD and see.....
[22:35] <Schrodingerscat1> okay, thanks very much
[22:45] <aveilleux> Schrodingerscat1: Apparently safe-graphics-mode is no longer available on the 10.04 LiveCD... I can't imagine why, though
[22:45] <Schrodingerscat1> nooooooo
[22:45] <Schrodingerscat1> odd
[22:46] <Schrodingerscat1> well then. Any other suggestions?
[22:47] <aveilleux> Schrodingerscat1: I seem to have found a solution: http://my.opera.com/sjosul/blog/2010/05/14/ubuntu-10-04-installation-and-upgrade
[22:48] <Schrodingerscat1> Oh wow, i see this comment: Anonymous writes: 100% agree with the easier way being left in... I have this same problem with an Nvidia card in my desktop. The last few years livecds have *all* crashed without using safe graphics mode.
[22:48] <Schrodingerscat1> i also have an Nvidia card
[22:48] <Schrodingerscat1> could be the problem
[22:48] <Schrodingerscat1> let me try
[22:53] <Schrodingerscat1> oh wow, just got some prompts about safe graphics mode :O
[22:54] <aveilleux> Yay
[22:54]  * phillw have you tried nomodeset in grub ?
[22:54] <Schrodingerscat1> splash screen!
[22:54] <Schrodingerscat1> I have not tried nomodeset yet, no, but it looks like it's working now
[22:54] <Schrodingerscat1> desktop!
[22:55] <Schrodingerscat1> wow, aveilleux, thank you so much
[22:55] <aveilleux> Schrodingerscsat1: Thank the woman who taught me how to use Boolean logic
[22:55] <aveilleux> Schrodingerscat1: (better known as Google-fu)
[22:56]  * phillw you got to love + ;-)
[22:57] <Schrodingerscat1> hahah, yes, i could have googled it i'm sure, but being a linux newb I wouldn't have known what to look for
[22:57] <Schrodingerscat1> ugh, after all that it can't mount the hard drive I expected to be dead
[22:58] <Calbertha> Hey all. Need some help!
[22:58] <Schrodingerscat1> Going to go, thanks so much everyone
[22:59] <Calbertha> Anyone here to help me out?
[22:59] <phillw> Calbertha: just ask :-)
[22:59] <Calbertha> Oh thanks!
[22:59] <phillw> !topic
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[22:59] <Calbertha> I loaded up my machine two days ago to the message error: the symbol 'grub_device_open' not found. grub rescue>
[22:59] <Calbertha> I have no idea what to do
[22:59] <phillw> Calbertha: one moment :-0
[22:59] <phillw> :-)
[23:00] <Calbertha> Kk
[23:04] <phillw> Calbertha: is it new installation?
[23:04] <Calbertha> I installed it about a week and a half ago and its worked fine until now
[23:05] <phillw> hmm, all I can find is for old installations, do you still have your installation CD?
[23:06] <Calbertha> Yes
[23:06] <phillw> I'd go for re-installing Grub, as to what caused it, idk, but a re-installation of grub will "un-confuse it"
[23:07] <Calbertha> How do i do this?
[23:07] <phillw> #13 at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275
[23:08] <Calbertha> Alright I'll give it a shot. Thanks! I may be back
[23:08] <phillw> you can get grub to work from the grub rescue prompt, but IMHO a re-install of grub is actually quicker :-)
[23:09] <Calbertha> Sweetness! Alright thanks a ton.May be back. Later!
[23:19] <phillw> hi stlsaint:-)
[23:19] <stlsaint> phillw: sup
[23:20] <phillw> going okay here, how's things with you?
[23:21] <stlsaint> cool
[23:28] <pedro3005> hey stlsaint
[23:29] <stlsaint> pedro3005: hey man
[23:39] <pedro3005> stlsaint, how's Python?
[23:47] <stlsaint> python is python is python :D
[23:51] <stlsaint> pedro3005: im taking a different apporach to learning
[23:52] <pedro3005> stlsaint, how so?
[23:52] <stlsaint> pedro3005: reading up on art of programming instead of just python writing
[23:54] <pedro3005> stlsaint, yeah, that's good
[23:56] <stlsaint> pedro3005: any good links you could provide
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