[01:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kexec-tools (yakkety-proposed/main) [1:2.0.10-2ubuntu1.1 => 1:2.0.10-2ubuntu1.2] (core)
[01:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kexec-tools (xenial-proposed/main) [1:2.0.10-1ubuntu2.1 => 1:2.0.10-1ubuntu2.2] (core)
[05:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted snapd [source] (yakkety-proposed) [2.23.1+16.10]
[05:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted snapd [source] (xenial-proposed) [2.23.1]
[05:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted snapd [source] (trusty-proposed) [2.23.1~14.04]
[08:53] <tjaalton> apw: did you have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openmw/+bug/1671129 ?
[10:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: genwqe-user (zesty-proposed/primary) [4.0.18-2]
[10:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed [amd64] (xenial-proposed/main) [4.4.0-67.88] (core, kernel)
[10:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed [amd64] (yakkety-proposed/main) [4.8.0-42.45] (core, kernel)
[11:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted fglrx-installer [source] (trusty-proposed) [2:15.201.1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[11:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted fglrx-installer-updates [source] (trusty-proposed) [2:15.201.1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[11:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [amd64] (xenial-proposed) [4.4.0-67.88]
[11:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [amd64] (yakkety-proposed) [4.8.0-42.45]
[12:15] <Laney> robru: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/~laney/emails.txt
[15:04] <bdmurray> slangasek: Is the mongodb autopkgtest failure triggered by init-system-helpers ignorable?
[15:05] <xnox> apw, genwqe-user in zesty new queue is a bugfix only point release; to replace genwqe package which is now finally maintained in debian
[15:05] <xnox> also there are two syncs, so one of them can be killed
[15:19] <jbicha> bdmurray: since you're doing SRUs today (right?) could you look at accepting ubuntu-gnome-meta (trusty,xenial,yakkety) and chrome-gnome-shell (trusty) even though it's not been 7 days yet
[15:23] <bdmurray> jbicha: What was / is the rational for waiving the 7 day period?
[15:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted backuppc [source] (xenial-proposed) [3.3.1-2ubuntu3.2]
[15:31] <jbicha> because these uploads were originally uploaded to the new queue in January but they were delayed because it was hard to find someone willing/able to upload new packages as SRUs
[15:32] <jbicha> and Firefox 52 was released to all Ubuntu versions Monday or Tuesday, triggering the regression fixed by these uploads
[15:32] <bdmurray> jbicha: part 1 doesn't seem like a great reason, but part 2 does
[15:33] <jbicha> right, part 1 is not valid except to explain that I tried to do this sooner
[15:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nova-lxd [source] (yakkety-proposed) [14.2.0-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[15:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: horizon (yakkety-proposed/main) [3:10.0.1-0ubuntu1 => 3:10.0.2-0ubuntu1] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
[15:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nova [source] (yakkety-proposed) [2:14.0.4-0ubuntu1]
[15:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: horizon (xenial-proposed/main) [2:9.1.0-0ubuntu1 => 2:9.1.1-0ubuntu1] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
[15:49] <bdmurray> jbicha: sounds reasonable, I'll have a look shortly
[15:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted heat [source] (yakkety-proposed) [1:7.0.2-0ubuntu1]
[15:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: ukui-indicators (zesty-proposed/primary) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1]
[16:05] <robru> Laney: lgtm, you ready to go live yet?
[16:07] <Laney> robru: ha
[16:07] <Laney> was going to, then I noticed that the email text is no longer necessarily correct
[16:08] <Laney> the is_valid days thing
[16:09] <Laney> also it might be nice to say "Hi," and "Regards, Ubuntu Release Team" but maybe that's just me :)
[16:09] <Laney> and maybe make From have a name
[16:09]  * Laney bikesheds
[16:10] <robru> Laney: ok, are you asking me to clean that up or are you on it?
[16:11] <Laney> robru: can you do it, if you don't mind?
[16:11] <Laney> I think only the number of days thing is essential and the others just nice to have but ultimately optional
[16:12] <Laney> no need to MP though, just give me a place to grab it from
[16:16] <robru> Laney: ok, on it
[16:17] <Laney> ♥
[16:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ceph (yakkety-proposed/main) [10.2.5-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 10.2.6-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server)
[16:28] <sforshee> is there an AA around who can approve the uefi bits for 4.10.0-12.14 in zesty?
[16:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ceph (xenial-proposed/main) [10.2.5-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 10.2.6-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server)
[16:30]  * cyphermox saw the magic U word
[16:30] <cyphermox> sforshee: (but I can't approve)
[16:32] <slangasek> bdmurray: mongodb/armhf is ignorable... which one did I not add to the hints?
[16:33] <robru> Laney: https://git.launchpad.net/~robru/britney/+git/britney2-ubuntu/commit/?id=d66116d80948d8ff647dabe60e7ca5b83c4695df
[16:34] <Laney> robru: thanks!
[16:35] <bdmurray> slangasek: I still see mongodb armhf on the pending sru report
[16:35] <robru> Laney: yw
[16:36] <slangasek> bdmurray: which release?
[16:36]  * Laney doesn't know this **locals() trick
[16:36] <bdmurray> slangasek: xenial
[16:37] <robru> Laney: it's so handy that the next version of python bakes it into the string literals ;-)
[16:37] <slangasek> bdmurray: looks like I need to hint mongodb instead of morgodb
[16:37] <robru> Laney: you know what ** does, right? locals() is just a function that returns local vars in the form of a dict.
[16:38] <nacc> slangasek: fork it! :)
[16:38] <slangasek> bdmurray: hint fixed
[16:39] <robru> Laney: https://docs.python.org/3/whatsnew/3.6.html#whatsnew36-pep498 I'm perhaps too excited for this ;-)
[16:40] <Laney> robru: yeah I get it, just haven't thought about / seen it before
[16:40] <Laney> 498> ah, that looks nice
[16:48] <Laney> robru: ok, pushed, let's see what happens
[16:48] <Laney> exciting
[16:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cinder [source] (yakkety-proposed) [2:9.1.2-0ubuntu1]
[16:50] <robru> yay
[16:52] <Laney> will need to wait for the current run to finish
[16:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ceilometer [source] (yakkety-proposed) [1:7.0.2-0ubuntu1]
[16:55] <robru> Laney: you around later? I have another britney branch I'd like to get reviewed once the dust settles on this one
[16:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted keystone [source] (yakkety-proposed) [2:10.0.1-0ubuntu1]
[16:58] <Laney> robru: approximately 62 more minutes
[16:59] <Laney> probably have more than 62 minutes of things to do today too, so any review is likely to be tomorrow :-)
[16:59] <Laney> feel free to find someone else
[17:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted swift [source] (yakkety-proposed) [2.10.1-0ubuntu1]
[17:01] <robru> Laney: ok thanks
[17:04] <bdmurray> coreycb: Have you looked at the autopkgtest failures here? http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/n/neutron/yakkety/s390x
[17:08] <coreycb> bdmurray, hi, yes they should be fixed by the version of neutron in the yakkety upload queue
[17:09] <bdmurray> coreycb: ah, cool
[17:11] <bdmurray> coreycb: is bug 1668578 fixed in Zesty?
[17:11] <bdmurray> coreycb: that's also missing some SRU info
[17:15] <coreycb> zul, you mind answer bdmurray since that's your work? ^
[17:26] <zul> coreycb: sure
[17:26] <Laney> robru: meh, no ConnectionRefusedError on python 3.2 :(
[17:27] <robru> Nooooooo
[17:27] <robru> Laney: what's the log?
[17:28] <Laney> NameError
[17:31] <robru> Laney: yeah but like does the full traceback not show what the original error is so i can catch that instead?
[17:31] <Laney> robru: I don't think there was an error, it's just trying to set up the try: block
[17:32] <robru> Laney: ok let me refer to the smtplib docs from 3.2 then...
[17:32] <Laney> ah well, there is AttributeError: __exit__ actually
[17:32] <Laney> so maybe smtplib isn't a context manager (in 3.2?) either
[17:34] <robru> Laney: ugh, yeah, looks like smtplib in 3.2 has a totally different API. give me an hour to totally rewrite email policy then, sigh
[17:34] <Laney> >>> with smtplib.SMTP('localhost') as s:
[17:34] <Laney> ...     pass
[17:34] <Laney> ...
[17:34] <Laney> Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
[17:34] <Laney> AttributeError: __exit__
[17:34] <Laney> yeah
[17:34] <Laney> doh
[17:34] <Laney> I'll put this back to dry-run for now ;-)
[17:34] <robru> Laney: hah, ok thanks
[17:35] <Laney> robru: be good to make it speak both versions if possible in a nice way, so this works if/when we upgrade the box
[17:36] <robru> Laney: I believe the new smtplib is backwards compatible, but I'll double check
[17:37] <Laney> ok, pushed
[17:37] <Laney> robru: at least not wrt. exceptions, or?
[17:38] <robru> Laney: I mean I believe the newer python added this context manager feature to smtp lib but kept the old behavior so if I just code it the old way it'll still work when snakefruit is upgraded
[17:39] <robru> Laney: when I say "backwards compatible" I mean "I expect code written for 3.2 will still work in 3.4". the problem we're having now is that code written for 3.4 is breaking in 3.2
[17:40] <Laney> robru: Right, but if you catch socket.error and the new one never raises it then that's not ideal?
[17:40] <robru> Laney: all the new exceptions are backwards compatible as far as I know.
[17:40] <Laney> It's both the context manager thing and the NameError
[17:40] <Laney> ok
[17:52] <robru> Laney: ok this should do it: https://git.launchpad.net/~robru/britney/+git/britney2-ubuntu/commit/?h=email-fix-smtp-3.2&id=2dec3ded31b0b22ce05cb47286b1d61ac1fb66cb
[17:53] <Laney> robru: we get socket.error on connection refused
[17:54] <robru> Laney: I was going off the smtplib documentation in 3.2 which claimed SMTPException was the base exception for all the exceptions it raises
[17:55] <robru> https://docs.python.org/3.2/library/smtplib.html#smtplib.SMTPException
[17:55] <Laney> I tried it in python3 -i
[17:55] <robru> alright
[17:55] <Laney> https://paste.ubuntu.com/24147191/
[17:56] <robru> Laney: ok https://git.launchpad.net/~robru/britney/+git/britney2-ubuntu/commit/?h=email-fix-smtp-3.2&id=76183583ec9c8a37ef67c04cbe67c45dcd276b9a
[17:59] <Laney> righto
[18:01] <robru> wheeee
[18:05] <Laney> is it going to use the From header or the parameter to sendmail()?
[18:06] <Laney> looks like send_message existed in 3.2, not sure why you changed that bit
[18:14] <robru> Laney: I just went with the 3.2 docs example code which shows it this way.
[18:15] <robru> Laney: it says it doesn't modify the headers, the extra roreply is just for the mta
[18:19] <Laney> I guess so (just the MAIL FROM) thing - that's not straightforward for me to parse as a non-email-expert
[18:20] <Laney> meh, was hoping for this to have started running already
[18:20]  * Laney needs to go out
[18:21] <Laney> here we go
[18:24] <jbicha> yay, the Release Team loves me and sent me email :)
[18:24] <jbicha> "stuck in zesty-proposed for 40.184386574074075 days" :)
[18:25] <Laney> oho
[18:25] <nacc> probably could use an int() :)
[18:25] <Laney> feel free to fix that
[18:26] <Laney> but I can leave home a happy human
[18:26] <Laney> laters
[18:26] <robru> What
[18:26] <robru> I could have sworn it is an int
[18:27] <robru> Laney: thanks
[18:27] <robru> jbicha: can you forward that to me
[18:27] <nacc> robru: age = int(excuse.daysold) or 0
[18:27] <nacc> robru: ?
[18:28] <nacc> i guess you want to do that after the stuck check
[18:28] <robru> nacc: i remember being frustrated in my testing because i wanted to inspect daysold for fractional values and they weren't there
[18:28] <nacc> robru: interesting -- all of my e-mails have fractional values
[18:30] <robru> nacc: eg if you look at excuses html it's all rounded there
[18:30] <robru> I guess the tests put in ints but the live data is floats
[18:31] <nacc> robru: ("<li>%d days old\n" % self.daysold)
[18:31] <nacc> robru: maybe due to the formatting?
[18:31] <nacc> robru: whereas you are using it as a string (afaict)
[18:32] <robru> Yeah
[18:32] <robru> Oh also there's a traceback in production, great
[18:34] <nacc> robru: and i got a second e-mail 10 minutes later?
[18:34] <nacc> robru: but only for one of the two packages i got an e-mail originally for
[18:35] <robru> nacc: yes sir! There's a traceback preventing it from saving the list of things it emailed to the current situation is that it's going to resend all emails forever.
[18:35] <nacc> robru: :)
[18:35] <robru> Laney: slangasek: please change email policy back to dry run
[18:39] <zul> bdmurray/coreycb: updated
[18:39] <bdmurray> zul: thanks
[18:40] <robru> slangasek: https://git.launchpad.net/~robru/britney/+git/britney2-ubuntu/commit/?id=80d363ffcfa4f4e045a17e6647f0df38001d8f6f need this commit pulled into production ASAP as Laney left with britney in a broken state.
[18:44] <robru> alright well I officially have no power to fix anything so anybody who is simultaneously a hater of spam and has access to production, if you could just go ahead and push that commit in, that'd be great.
[18:44] <robru> bbl
[19:05] <robru> https://git.launchpad.net/~robru/britney/+git/britney2-ubuntu/commit/?h=fix-traceback&id=e7181465a8f67e767f4eda5d73c78b1ba9b93341
[19:13] <slangasek> robru: so Laney did an end-of-day rollout? :)
[19:13] <robru> yep
[19:14] <slangasek> robru: is there an MP in LP for the above?
[19:14] <jbicha> it beats doing it on Friday night though, right?
[19:14] <robru> slangasek: nope I just pushed the commit. you want an MP?
[19:14] <slangasek> robru: please
[19:15] <slangasek> robru: especially as I can't find that commit after a 'git remote update'
[19:15] <slangasek> (the first one you mentioned)
[19:16] <robru> slangasek: https://code.launchpad.net/~robru/britney/+git/britney2-ubuntu/+merge/319487
[19:17] <slangasek> robru: why are you using a .0f format instead of casting the input to an int?
[19:18] <robru> slangasek: because casting to an int will cause the value to be rounded up prior to the time that it's used for comparison. This way we get the full fidelity of the data for the comparison and then only round it for display.
[19:18] <slangasek> robru: ok. next problem, you're sending emails with *every p-m run* instead of just notifying users once that their packages are stuck
[19:19] <slangasek> how do I put this back into dry-run mode?
[19:19] <robru> slangasek: no no, it's only sending every time because the traceback prevents the cache from being written
[19:19] <slangasek> ah
[19:19] <robru> slangasek: to go back to dry run there's now a setting in britney.conf
[19:20] <robru> but I think this MP should fix it based on the traceback I saw
[19:20] <robru> so maybe just roll it out and hope for the best!
[19:21] <robru> slangasek: another option is to write the cache after every email sent rather than waiting for the end, but that'll slow it down a bit.
[19:22] <slangasek> robru: wrt this address_chooser, I thought we had talked about implementing this correctly using python3-launchpadlib and not rolling out until we could rely on that in snakefruit
[19:24] <slangasek> (anyway, pushed now)
[19:27] <robru> slangasek: I never saw a timeline on the migration of snakefruit to xenial so I assumed it was best not to block on that? I'll port it to python3-launchpadlib once snakefruit is running xenial.
[19:28] <robru> slangasek: anyways thanks for pushing, I'll keep an eye on the logs to make sure there's no more tracebacks
[19:31] <slangasek> robru: I know I specifically said that this should be done using the right lp apis; the snakefruit upgrade needs scheduled by precise EOL
[19:33] <robru> slangasek: the way I recall that conversation, I asked you when it would happen and you said IS gave us an extension on things not being charmed so it wasn't clear to me when the upgrade would happen.
[19:34] <cjwatson> that extension is the thing that lets us upgrade snakefruit wholesale to xenial rather than having to break it all up into charmable things
[19:34] <slangasek> robru: ok, I never said anything about an extension for when the upgrade would happen, I only said it wasn't going to be charmed in the near future; sorry for the confusion
[19:35] <robru> slangasek: ok, please do let me know when that upgrade will happen, there's lots of python-3.2-isms I'm eager to crush, not just lplib avoidance.
[19:36] <slangasek> robru: python-3.2-isms should be a much lower priority than the fact that the new feature is not consistently sending email to the correct LP contact addresses
[19:37] <robru> slangasek: normally i would agree with you, but in this case I mean specifically we are carrying a large delta against debian because we've had to backport a lot of things to python 3.2, so crushing 3.2isms is going to decrease our delta from debian, which is generally a good thing
[19:37] <slangasek> but *not a priority*
[19:38] <robru> slangasek: right so I'll fix the email thing the first day and then drop half our delta the second day :-P
[19:41] <slangasek> robru: I'm still getting emails
[19:41] <robru> slangasek: Yeah the last run still had old code, the current run is the first run with the new code
[19:42] <slangasek> robru: ok, I see that this batch of emails have the rounding code now and also there are more emails, so that seems sound
[19:43] <robru> oh, excellent. I was just going off timestamps.
[19:43] <robru> slangasek: at the end of this run, assuming no more tracebacks anywhere else, you should see the EmailPolicy file written for the first time with all the info about what has and hasn't been emailed
[19:44] <robru> and then next run, no more spam
[19:44] <nacc> robru: e-mail looks better and it made progress to other packages that i have stuick
[19:44] <nacc> *stuck
[19:44]  * cjwatson is glad LP has transactional email code :)
[19:45] <robru> cjwatson: yeah I should have wrote it to write the cache after each mail rather than writing the cache all at once.
[19:45] <robru> nacc: alright sorry for all the spam
[19:45] <nacc> robru: np! easy to filter
[19:45] <nacc> robru: and i knew about all my packages :)
[19:46] <robru> nacc: fix them then!!! ;-)
[19:46] <nacc> robru: trying :)
[19:46] <nacc> robru: if anyone actually understood liblog4ada or emacs25, mine would all be fixed :)
[19:47] <robru> good luck!
[20:26] <slangasek> infinity: I think xenial daily builds should be re-enabled; any reason against?
[20:44] <slangasek> infinity: so from what I can see, current-triggers was never updated for the zesty cycle and needed to be because there's no inheritance in this file?
[20:44] <slangasek> infinity: is this missing from the archive opening checklist?
[20:56] <stgraber> oh crap, that lvm2 upload absolutely wasn't meant for the archive
[20:56]  * stgraber removes
[20:57] <stgraber> removed
[21:00] <jgrimm> powersj:  slangasek is looking at your ppc64el smoke test gating right now. thinks it is enabled now.
[21:00] <powersj> jgrimm: thanks!
[21:00] <powersj> and slangasek thanks :D
[21:02] <jgrimm> powersj, i guess watch for future failures and check that its done the right thing
[21:02] <powersj> will do :)
[21:03] <jgrimm> thanks sir
[21:07] <Laney> oh please, it's not like there weren't other release team members around to help out
[21:14] <slangasek> jbicha: what was the rationale for syncing libdrumstick from experimental?  I assume you've gotten email about it being stuck for months in -proposed due to kmidimon, which is unported (Debian bug #849862)
[21:30] <apw> sforshee: done
[21:52] <jbicha> slangasek: I synced it because clivejo asked me to, bug 1584310
[21:53] <slangasek> jbicha, clivejo: ok, perhaps we should un-sync this until it's migrated out of experimental and someone has dealt with the revdep (kmidimon)?
[21:54] <clivejo> ack, Kubuntu needs it for KDE Applications
[21:54] <clivejo> minuet
[21:54] <clivejo> kmidimon?
[21:54] <clivejo> thats ancient
[21:54] <jbicha> maybe we should have emailed clivejo instead :)
[21:55] <clivejo> that's KDE4 and hasnt been maintained in years!
[21:56] <clivejo> acheronuk: did we not put in a request for that?
[21:57] <clivejo> last release was 0.7.5 on 28-07-2013 - https://sourceforge.net/projects/kmidimon/files/
[21:58] <acheronuk> clivejo: we discussed doing so last week. had slipped my mind though.
[21:58] <jbicha> clivejo: why does minuet have a Build-Depends on drumstick but doesn't end up depending on drumstick?
[22:00] <clivejo> its a library?
[22:04] <jbicha> you said that minuet required the new drumstick so I would have expected one of the minuet packages to depend on libdrumstick1
[22:05] <slangasek> clivejo: kmidimon is still in the Ubuntu (and Debian) archive; this needs follow-through
[22:05] <jbicha> or depend on/recommend drumstick-tools?
[22:10] <clivejo>  I cant get on to alioth to check, so I dont know
[22:10] <clivejo> from what I remember debian are still on KDE apps 16.04
[22:10] <clivejo> whilst Kubuntu is shipping with Apps 16.12
[22:12] <clivejo> Neon's packaging auto syncs with debian
[22:12] <clivejo> https://packaging.neon.kde.org/applications/minuet.git/
[22:13] <clivejo> master branch will be what debian have
[22:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: libosl (zesty-proposed/primary) [0.8.0-1]
[22:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libosl [sync] (zesty-proposed) [0.8.0-1]
[22:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libosl [amd64] (zesty-proposed/universe) [0.8.0-1] (no packageset)
[22:26] <clivejo> with Debian in FF looks like they arent going to release minuet
[22:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed [amd64] (zesty-proposed/main) [4.10.0-12.14] (core, kernel)
[22:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [4.10.0-12.14]
[22:42] <clivejo> slangasek: can you actually un-sync libdrumstick
[22:42] <slangasek> clivejo: no, someone needs to follow through on kmidimon
[22:43] <slangasek> with a fixed upload, or a removal bug
[22:46] <acheronuk> "ok, perhaps we should un-sync this" <-- so no longer applies?
[22:47] <clivejo> even with kmidimon 0.7.5-3build1 in proposed?
[22:48] <clivejo> and libdrumstick 1.0.2-1 also in proposed?
[22:48] <acheronuk> + it turns out minuet -devs did a switcheroo on their required backends, sop new drumstick seem to not be needed for that.
[22:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted horizon [source] (yakkety-proposed) [3:10.0.2-0ubuntu1]
[22:53] <slangasek> clivejo, acheronuk: oh, sorry - I misread you :-)  I thought you asked "unstick" rather than "un-sync"
[22:54] <clivejo> no, we mean get rid/purge
[22:54] <slangasek> clivejo, acheronuk: yes, I can "un-sync" it by deleting libdrumstick and kmidimon from zesty-proposed, and the next time libdrumstick is updated in unstable we can pull that instead
[22:54] <slangasek> is that what you want?
[22:54] <clivejo> slangasek: ack
[22:55] <slangasek> clivejo, acheronuk: done :)
[22:55] <acheronuk> TY :)
[22:56] <clivejo> Ill take great pleasure purging it from KCI too
[22:56] <acheronuk> lol. I recall how much of a pain that was!
[23:03] <clivejo> jbicha: apology's for the run around :/
[23:06] <clivejo> when I opened that bug it looked like minuet needed that package to build
[23:07] <jbicha> slangasek: if you're deletinig kmidimon, then there's no reason libdrumstick needs to be deleted
[23:08] <jbicha> because kmidimon was what halted the libdrumstick transition
[23:09] <jbicha> unless you meant delete kmetronome and libdrumstick from zesty-proposed
[23:14] <slangasek> jbicha: I was deleting them from zesty-proposed, not from zesty.  The need for the experimental libdrumstick went away
[23:16] <jbicha> slangasek: could you delete kmetronome from zesty-proposed then?
[23:19] <slangasek> jbicha: gladly - done
[23:26] <slangasek> powersj: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CurtinUpdates - what counts as a change to existing features that is covered by the curtin exception, without breaking backwards compatibility and requiring SRU approval?
[23:27] <powersj> smoser: ^ while I think
[23:27] <slangasek> (from my pov it probably makes sense to just list "bugfixes and new features")
[23:28] <powersj> slangasek: what about test changes?
[23:28] <powersj> otherwise I agree, bug and new features should cover everything else
[23:28] <slangasek> sounds like a bugfix to me
[23:29] <slangasek> at least, I've never had a problem from the SRU team side with changes to tests
[23:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted neutron [source] (xenial-proposed) [2:8.4.0-0ubuntu1]
[23:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted horizon [source] (xenial-proposed) [2:9.1.1-0ubuntu1]
[23:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted heat [source] (xenial-proposed) [1:6.1.1-0ubuntu1]
[23:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ceilometer [source] (xenial-proposed) [1:6.1.4-0ubuntu1]
[23:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted swift [source] (xenial-proposed) [2.7.1-0ubuntu1]
[23:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted neutron-lbaas [source] (xenial-proposed) [2:8.3.0-0ubuntu2]
[23:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nova-lxd [source] (xenial-proposed) [13.3.0-0ubuntu1]


[05:51] <fabbione> BenC: you still alive
[05:52] <fabbione> ?
[05:52] <BenC> sort of
[05:52] <fabbione> nothing importnat.. i was just reading the docs for .19 kernel
[05:52] <fabbione> are you already merging stuff?
[05:53] <fabbione> if so.. gfs2 should be taken fully from upstream (and not in ubuntu/fs)
[05:53] <fabbione> drop gfs1 and i will readd it later
[05:53] <fabbione> (less merging pain for you)
[05:53] <fabbione> i think the only other bit i was touching was dlmfs, that one can come from upstream too (together with gfs2)
[05:58] <infinity> BenC: What are the odds of another kernel upload before we release?
[05:58] <BenC> fabbione: gfs2 and dlm are from stock, I already got gfs1 in there and compiling
[05:59] <infinity> BenC: (And if there is one, can you sneak the ia64 header fix in, so klibc is no longer FTBFS?)
[05:59] <BenC> infinity: slim
[05:59] <infinity> Alright.  Can you sneak it in anyway, "just in case"? :)
[06:00] <BenC> can you email me about the fix? I'll forget by morning :)
[06:01] <infinity> BenC: jbailey filed a bug.
[06:01] <BenC> I'm a little backed up on bugs
[06:01] <infinity> Which, of course,I can't look up due to LP being down..
[06:01] <fabbione> BenC: cool.. i will make sure to update it then
[06:02] <infinity> [Bug 66253]  Missing header in linux-libc-dev causes FTBFS in klibc on ia64
[06:02] <infinity> BenC: ^^^
[06:03] <BenC> infinity: Ok, I have it open in firefix now, so that should remind me
[06:04] <infinity> Danke.
[11:14] <crochat> Hello !
[11:43] <mdz> unless the kernel skins and eats kittens it's finished for edgy
[12:11] <BenC> mdz: Good to know, I have a bug report about a skinned kitten, but it was never eaten


[04:41] <tiwake> just tried installing ubuntu 14.10 on my desktop and it does not want to do anything
[04:42] <tiwake> BIOS gets done with POST, and then it drops to a blank screen
[04:42] <tiwake> (this is after installing, with no obvious problems with the install process)
[04:42] <tiwake> its almost like grub didnt even install or something
[04:56] <tiwake> yeah, that was the problem
[05:12] <MarkDude> shift does not bring up grub?
[05:14]  * MarkDude had similar problem14.04 had to shift into grub- do advanced mode, resume normal boot. Then repair display. Have not had issues with earlier
[05:14] <MarkDude> Did it let you choose grub? For my Lubuntu 14.10 I had no such option XD
[05:15] <tiwake> no option
[05:15] <tiwake> but I repaired grub from my liveDVD
[05:15] <MarkDude> Yep, that sorta bummed me out- thats rude IMHO :D
[05:16] <tiwake> silly thing
[05:16] <MarkDude> It just chose what was best- then decided I no longer wanted to see grub, nor my 6+ Distros
[05:17] <MarkDude> I could not find a directly related bug, but for my 14.10 & 1404 I had to do a silly fix
[05:18] <tiwake> blarg
[05:18] <tiwake> its not letting me kill X to get to the command line
 drops me to a blank screen
[05:19] <MarkDude> Im almost wondering if 14.10 is a version to skip. Im so much happier with 14.04- with many different desktops
[05:20] <MarkDude> Try using advanced settings in grub.
[05:21] <tiwake> I need to install the NVIDIA drivers
[05:21] <tiwake> need to kill X to do that
[05:21] <MarkDude> Yes
[05:21] <MarkDude> Oh that fun loop. Sorry
[05:21] <MarkDude> Nouveau hell
[05:22] <tiwake> how do I install XFCE or KDE desktops?
[05:31] <tiwake> oh maybe that did it
[05:35] <tiwake> yay, I think I have the driver properly installed


[08:29] <bur[n] er> _Stefan_: check /boot/grub/menu.lst and make sure it's pointing to the right drive
[08:29] <mini> can't save it still
[08:29] <bur[n] er> mini: get an error?
[08:30] <bretzel> e there, I've installed all stuff requiered to play DVD video, xine did successfully played a DVD movie but only once: after that it says : "cannot find input pluggin for MRL [dvd:/]  ??? Why it is screwed ??
[08:30] <bur[n] er> you should be able to do it as root mini
[08:30] <mini> Could not save the file "/ect/fstab".
[08:30] <bur[n] er> uhh... /etc you mean?
[08:31] <HappyFool> mini: you need to be very careful with these filenames
[08:31] <HappyFool> it must be *exactly* /etc/fstab
[08:31] <HappyFool> "sudo nano /etc/fstab"
[08:31] <_Stefan_> title		Windows NT/2000/XP
[08:31] <_Stefan_> root		(hd0,0)
[08:31] <_Stefan_> savedefault
[08:31] <_Stefan_> makeactive
[08:31] <_Stefan_> chainloader	+1
[08:31] <gen> flood alert
[08:31] <Vaportrail> :D
[08:31] <poof> where is  ~/.xsession usualy usr/bin ?
[08:31] <crimsun> ...
[08:31] <HappyFool> ~ means your home directory
[08:31] <tritium> bur[n] er, His menu.lst looks correct.  It was even generated from the installer.
[08:31] <bur[n] er> _Stefan_: that looks ok
[08:32] <HappyFool> so /home/poof/.xsession
[08:32] <bur[n] er> does windows even try to boot?
[08:32] <_Stefan_> the windows partition is in hda1
[08:32] <poof> Ah thankyou :)
[08:32] <bur[n] er> cool... then menu.lst is ok
[08:32] <bretzel> please, someone know what happen ? I've installed all stuff required to play DVD video, xine did successfully played a DVD movie but only once: after that it says : "cannot find input pluggin for MRL [dvd:/] " ??? Why it is screwed ??
[08:33] <bur[n] er> bretzel: try in totem?
[08:33] <will_> bretzel: did you install the libdvd packages?
[08:33] <poof> is there a switch for DIR to allow me to see hidden folders in terminal?
[08:33] <bur[n] er> poof: ls -l
[08:33] <bur[n] er> er... ls -a rather
[08:33] <poof> thanks
[08:33] <_Stefan_> then what should i do?
[08:33] <tritium> _Stefan_, please run "sudo update-grub" once more, and double-check that the output does not indicate that if finds the Windows stanza.
[08:33] <bretzel> bur[n] er, will: yop I said it played once a DVD movie  ( libcss2, libdvd etc....
[08:33] <bur[n] er> _Stefan_: what happens when you boot windows?
[08:34] <poof> WOW! ls is neat COLOR :D
[08:34] <bretzel> oops read libdvdcss2 ...
[08:34] <poof> Thanks
[08:34] <bur[n] er> bur[n] er: try it in totem?
[08:34] <bur[n] er> poof: sure
[08:34] <will_>  bretzel: have you installd libxine1 ?
[08:34] <LiMpKiN> excuse me for beeing a french newbie
[08:34] <LiMpKiN> but i havent still understood
[08:34] <gen> french fry
[08:34] <bob2> try #ubuntu-fr, maybe
[08:34] <bretzel> Ok it plays in totem, why no in xine ?
[08:35] <techn9ne> you need totem-xine
[08:35] <bretzel> a locked file/socket  left unlocked ?
[08:35] <will_> bretzel: i find vlc works well with all formats :) give it a try
[08:35] <mini> HappyFool, can you help me?.. don't understand nothing now..
[08:36] <bretzel> xine successfully plyed a DVD movie why xine cannot now ?
[08:36] <will_> totem has a great interface though :)
[08:36] <bur[n] er> bretzel: you don't need totem-xine
[08:36] <bur[n] er> bretzel: just stick with totem?  or you care about xine?
[08:36] <HappyFool> mini: what happened now?
[08:36] <HappyFool> hmm
[08:36] <asynic> dataw0lf, is there a way to get a newer xchat?
[08:36] <mini> can we take it from the beginning?
[08:36] <LiMpKiN> they dont answer
[08:37] <will_> bretzel: any error messages in the /var/log dir?
[08:37] <bur[n] er> asynic: apt-get install xchat
[08:37] <HappyFool> mini: ok. we need to add a line to a file called 'fstab' found in directory '/etc'
[08:37] <LiMpKiN> just please tell me the exact syntax  please
[08:37] <poof> Hmmm I must have broke it or something, i have no .Xsession
[08:37] <asynic> bur[n] er, yeah, this one is old
[08:37] <Korqz> I need some help. I have WinXP installed and I started Ubuntu install with the disk. The installation went fine and I had prepaired a partition for Ubuntu. But when it wants to install Grub and that does not work. I tried it on the Master Boot Record but it still wont work. What is wrong?
[08:37] <LiMpKiN> with language for example
[08:37] <mini> HappyFool, ok
[08:38] <bretzel> duh! now I realize that I have no sound anymore in my system, alsamixer shows all volumes ok but no sound...
[08:38] <poof> all i got is folder name .xsession-errorss
[08:38] <bur[n] er> asynic: the one in apt?
[08:38] <HappyFool> mini: nano is a text editor, which will let you edit that file
[08:38] <asynic> bur[n] er, yeah
[08:38] <asynic> 2.0.8
[08:38] <mini> HappyFool, ok.. following..
[08:38] <bur[n] er> huh... i dunno, i use debian sources :\ sorry asynic
[08:38] <will_> bretzel: DOH! choose the right sound server in xine
[08:39] <HappyFool> mini: and finally, /etc/fstab is a protected file, so you need to be root (i.e., administrative user) to edit it, which is why we're using sudo
[08:39] <HappyFool> mini: you know how to open a terminal ?
[08:39] <bretzel> no no, I mean system-wide : no sounds
[08:39] <mini> HappyFool, yes
[08:39] <HappyFool> mini: ok, do that
[08:39] <HappyFool> (open a terminal)
[08:39] <Korqz> I need some help. I have WinXP installed and I started Ubuntu install with the CD. The installation went fine and I had prepaired a partition for Ubuntu. But installing GRUB does not work. I tried it on the Master Boot Record but it still wont work. What is wrong?
[08:39] <mini> applications->systemtools->terminal..
[08:40] <HappyFool> that's right
[08:40] <zenwhen> does anyone know of a way to browse reiserfs partitions from within windows?
[08:40] <HappyFool> mini: you've got the terminal open ?
[08:40] <mini> yes
[08:40] <bretzel> xine isn't running it is totem
[08:40] <poof> LOL what is delete command in unix? I try del,delete, and dl.... am I getting close?
[08:40] <bob2> rm
[08:40] <poof> Ah
[08:40] <djuuss> LOL
[08:41] <will_> bretzel: check nothing is muted in the FULL 'Volume Control' panel
[08:41] <bob2> (remove)
[08:41] <poof> thanks :)
[08:41] <HappyFool> mini: ok, type    sudo nano /etc/fstab
[08:41] <HappyFool> it must be *exactly* that
[08:41] <will_> poof: rm
[08:41] <HappyFool> not /ect/fstab or /etc/stab or anything else ;)
[08:41] <will_> poof: be careful with it though
[08:41] <mini> yes..
[08:41] <zerokarmaleft> anybody else here subscribe to the Ubuntu-Traffic RSS feed?
[08:41] <poof> i was going to guess that next..LOL jokeing, Thanks everyone :)
[08:41] <HappyFool> mini: what happened ?
[08:41] <mini> password right?
[08:41] <djuuss> rm -R if you want to use it on folders
[08:41] <HappyFool> ah, yes
[08:41] <djuuss> (with files in them)
[08:41] <bob2> poof: there's no undelete, remember, so be careful
[08:41] <djuuss> and rmdir for empty folders
[08:42] <HappyFool> mini: enter your user password
[08:42] <poof> Cool thanks for tip :)
[08:42] <mini> HappyFool, i can't write anything there..
[08:42] <will_> poof: type man rm for more info :)
[08:42] <HappyFool> mini: it's just not showing the characters
[08:42] <mini> doesn't work...
[08:42] <HappyFool> mini: it's a security thing
[08:42] <HappyFool> mini: type the password, and press enter
[08:42] <mini> ohh fuck..
[08:43] <will_> Korqz: what errors are you getting?
[08:43] <Korqz> like "Fatal error".......
[08:43] <mini> ok
[08:43] <mini> done that
[08:43] <HappyFool> mini: now what happened?
[08:43] <mini> im inside the file now
[08:43] <Korqz> it doesnt say anything
[08:43] <bretzel> Shit: why does alsamixer shows PCM volume set to ..a value and the mixer from vlolume control in gnome as it to zero: setting that mixer PMC volume and it is ok now... sorry if I am looking silly but I was used to alsamixer... emu10k1 is in both mixers
[08:43] <HappyFool> mini: what does the first line say?
[08:44] <will_> Korqz: can you paste it into www.pastebin.com
[08:44] <mini> GNU nano 1.2.3                  File: /ect/fstab
[08:44] <poof> is there a Nuke switch for rmdir so it deletes folder/directory and all files inside... I must remove this Filfth from my hard disk...
[08:44] <HappyFool> mini: it must be /etc/fstab NOT /ect/fstab
[08:44] <will_> bretzel: ALWAYS keep your PCM to around 2/3rds (for most soundcards) otherwise you get serious distorsion
[08:45] <HappyFool> mini: do you see the difference? etc not ect
[08:45] <mini> yes
[08:45] <bob2> poof: rm -rf /path/to/blah/
[08:45] <HappyFool> ok, so which is it?
[08:45] <poof> Thanks Bob
[08:45] <bob2> poof: (again be careful, there's no safety net)
[08:45] <will_> korqz: do you use any other boot manager?
[08:45] <poof> cd ..
[08:45] <Korqz> nope
[08:45] <_Stefan__> hey tritium
[08:45] <tritium> _Stefan_, yes
[08:45] <Korqz> XP autoboots
[08:45] <mini> HappyFool, /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[08:46] <mini> now its right now?
[08:46] <HappyFool> mini: yes
[08:46] <poof> That was easy Thanks Bob :)
[08:46] <HappyFool> mini: be careful, you don't want to mess this file up ;)
[08:46] <HappyFool> mini: your windows partition was /dev/hdb1 , right ?
[08:46] <bretzel> will: I know but what I am confusing about is that alsamixer showed PCM volume around 2/3rd in effect but in gnome volume manager PCM volume was at zero: wow, something has happened ...
[08:47] <_Stefan__> when i try to boot XP it says
[08:47] <will_> Korqz: the disk (partition) you install the bootloader on needs to be the ACTIVE partition (the one you normally boot straight off) and you cant install the boot lader to a 'Extended partition' (only primary, sometimes logical)
[08:47] <_Stefan__> filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7
[08:47] <mini> hda1 and hda5 i think?
[08:47] <Korqz> and can i make it active somehow?
[08:47] <LiMpKiN> root@limpkin:/usr/sbin # dpkg-reconfigure locales
[08:47] <LiMpKiN> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[08:47] <LiMpKiN> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[08:47] <LiMpKiN>         LANGUAGE = "fr_FR:fr_en:GB:en",
[08:47] <LiMpKiN>         LC_ALL = "fr",
[08:47] <LiMpKiN>         LANG = "fr"
[08:47] <LiMpKiN>     are supported and installed on your system.
[08:47] <LiMpKiN> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
[08:47] <LiMpKiN> locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
[08:47] <LiMpKiN> locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
[08:47] <Ensiferum> evening.
[08:47] <LiMpKiN> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
[08:47] <LiMpKiN> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed
[08:47] <LiMpKiN> root@limpkin:/usr/sbin #
[08:48] <will_> bretzel:different programs adjust different levels, so you end up with a mess:) some progs will use OSS, some eSound
[08:48] <gen> attack of the killer flood
[08:48] <xvlun> hi, is it possible to get a regular debian installation by adding the debian sources to the sources list and then upgrading?
[08:48] <will_> LiMpKiN: DO NOT PASTE IN HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:48] <tritium> _Stefan_, that's different from before.  What did you do since last time?
[08:48] <HappyFool> mini: (from earlier) Ask someone else "I want to edit fstab to mount /dev/hdb1 as ntfs"
[08:48] <Ensiferum> anyone know if samba stopping to work, might somehow be connected to mounting it with sudo?
[08:48] <bretzel> Thanks all, I have to go now :=)
[08:48] <mini> ok
[08:48] <dud> morning happy campers
[08:48] <_Stefan__> the upgrade maybe
[08:48] <mini> then its that..
[08:48] <Ensiferum> when i do the mount, the shares work for a momemnt, i.e i can read+write. some time later i get permission denied trying to write. :|
[08:49] <tritium> _Stefan_, what did you upgrade?
[08:49] <_Stefan__> grub
[08:49] <will_> Korqz: where is your winXP partition?
[08:49] <poof> *<:^o)
[08:49] <HappyFool> mini: ok, we need to add a line to the bottom of this file
[08:49] <will_> bretzel: good luck!
[08:49] <Korqz> C: or hdc0
[08:49] <Korqz> hdc1
[08:49] <HappyFool> mini: move the cursor to the bottom of the file with the arrow keys
[08:49] <tritium> _Stefan_, I don't always see your messages if you don't address them to me.
[08:50] <will_> what other os's do you have on your system?
[08:50] <HappyFool> mini: i'm assuming you know what that means -- please let me know if you don't
[08:50] <mini> HappyFool,  ok done it..
[08:50] <tritium> _Stefan_, what was the output from update-grub?
[08:50] <HappyFool> mini: good
[08:50] <Korqz> only xp
[08:50] <will_> korqz are you running some kind of linux now, or windoze?
[08:51] <HappyFool> mini: ok, type this line:    /dev/hdb1     /mnt/windows     auto     ro,user,umask=000    0    0
[08:52] <HappyFool> mini: let me know before you save the file
[08:52] <Korqz> windows now
[08:52] <mini> i cant write "/"
[08:52] <Korqz> cant access linux due to the trouble with grub
[08:53] <HappyFool> mini: why not?
[08:53] <mini> it just write's this "o"
[08:53] <will_> Korqz: are you running windows then?
[08:53] <HappyFool> hmm
[08:53] <Korqz> yes
[08:53] <will_> Korqz: what is on your first hard drive, hda?
[08:53] <HappyFool> mini: but it was ok when you typed sudo nano /etc/fstab earlier ?
[08:53] <mini> yes
[08:53] <Korqz> cd-rom
[08:54] <mini> but i'll just copy\paste
[08:54] <HappyFool> mini: hmm
[08:54] <tritium> _Stefan__
[08:54] <Korqz> will_ my first is cd-rom
[08:55] <will_> Korqz hda should be a hard disk, you must set your hard disk to PRIMARY MASTER and you CD-ROM to PRIMARY SLAVE, or SECNDARY
[08:55] <will_> sorry, SECONDARY
[08:55] <HappyFool> mini: let me know before you save
[08:55] <Korqz> ok
[08:55] <poof> is it a bad idea to install Erlang on Ubuntu? i am haveing problems with Wings 3d, in debina when I install wings it installs Erlang also... I am thinking this might help me...
[08:55] <Korqz> will it work after that u think?
[08:56] <Korqz> i thought of that but i didnt imagine it could matter
[08:56] <will_> Korqz, do you have any other had disks, or cd roms?
[08:56] <Korqz> yes a S-ATA disk too but that is not involved in neither xp nor linux installation its only storage
[08:57] <Korqz> its ntfs
[08:57] <will_> Korqz: linux normally calls your cd-rom hdc your hard drive should be hda and that should have the first partition hda1 (windows) hda2 (ext3) and hda3 (swap)
[08:58] <Korqz> ok i c
[08:58] <Korqz> do i have to have a swap?
[08:58] <will_> Korqz: be very careful with the partitions, because you can lose your windows partition in the blink of an eye.
[08:58] <Korqz> i know
[08:59] <Korqz> thanks for the help will_
[08:59] <Korqz> appreciate it
[08:59] <will_> Korqz: if you still ahve problems reinstalling, write down the errors (or at least some of them and come back and tell me =
[09:00] <Korqz> sure
[09:00] <will_> im off for a bit ppl....bbl
[09:00] <Korqz> me 2
[09:02] <tritium> Why doens't xine have a menu entry?
[09:03] <bob2> because it doesn't ship a .desktop file
[09:03] <tritium> bob2, thanks
[09:03] <djuuss> (which is a bad thing)
[09:03] <Guardiann> good afternoon people
[09:04] <tritium> I just recall that I had a xine menu entry on my debian unstable machine
[09:04] <Guardiann> xine has a menu icon after it gets installed if thats what you were asking
[09:04] <bob2> it'll be there on debian
[09:05] <tritium> Yeah, that's what I was asking, Guardiann, but no, I don't have an icon.
[09:05] <Guardiann> tritium once you have installed it will appear under multimedia
[09:05] <romulo> hi, my keyboard is configured, locales are configured but the key "?/" doesnt work, can anyone help me? i got that after updating the system last night
[09:05] <Guardiann> you may have to log out and log back in tho
[09:06] <tritium> Guardiann, no, I installed several logins ago.
[09:06] <Guardiann> strange mine is there
[09:06] <tritium> There is no "Multimedia" section
[09:07] <Guardiann> under applications?
[09:07] <zAo^> msn (Gaim) disconnecting too?
[09:07] <will_> tritium: you can make one easy!
[09:07] <tritium> will_, I know...
[09:07] <tritium> Guardiann, right.
[09:07] <tritium> bob2's explanation made sense to me
[09:08] <Guardiann> its there?
[09:08] <tritium> Guardiann, no, not there.
[09:08] <Guardiann> oh well mine is
[09:08] <bob2> Guardiann: did you install ubuntu from scratch?
[09:08] <Guardiann> yeah i did
[09:08] <Guardiann> its warty not hoary thp
[09:09] <romulo> how i downgrade one package?
[09:10] <djuuss> no
[09:10] <djuuss> warty is older
[09:10] <djuuss> (but by no means old)
[09:10] <Guardiann> yep it is but stable :)
[09:10] <djuuss> i like warty a lot actually
[09:11] <Guardiann> works great for me so far
[09:11] <djuuss> but i'm stuck on mandrake10.1 for now
[09:11] <djuuss> (official powerpack, not too bad, my dad bought it for his pc after i installed community for him)
[09:12] <tritium> Guardiann, there are differences between the gnome menu systems on Warty and Hoary.  Perhaps that's the difference.
[09:12] <djuuss> never heard him utter the word "windows" ever since..
[09:12] <Guardiann> yeah it maybe
[09:13] <sulkd> hehe
[09:13] <sulkd> I wonder if macos users flame and fume as much as linux users
[09:13] <tritium> dpkg -L xine-ui reveals that it does install a .desktop file, just not under /usr/share/applicaions
[09:13] <djuuss> what is the topic?
[09:14] <sulkd> djuuss, "ATI vs nVidia flamewars are offtopic here."
[09:14] <sulkd> :]
[09:14] <djuuss> macos just get flamed
[09:14] <sulkd> heh.
[09:14] <djuuss> one way to introduce flaming to the ppc world: distro's of macos
[09:19] <mini> HappyFool, it worked fine :D
[09:20] <HappyFool> mini: good :)
[09:20] <mini> thanks :D
[09:23] <smitty> i have a question about burning an audio cd. i burn mp3 disks fine. I turn my mp3's into waves and put them in CD/DVD create...it burns it...but my ps2 and cd player doesn't recognize it.where did I go wrong?
[09:24] <dud> smitty, do you select the new audio cd thingie?
[09:25] <dud> if you burn them as cd data, it wont be playable on normal audio cd players
[09:25] <romulo> the ubuntu Xorg comes with transparency support and shadows?
[09:25] <dud> romulo, its possible to enable that ive heard
[09:25] <sladen> romulo: they're disabled by support since they are known to be buggy and cause slow-downs
[09:25] <sladen> romulo: but they are compiled in
[09:25] <dud> no idea how, but ive heard people doing it successfully
[09:26] <romulo> sladen, so i can just enabled it ...cool
[09:26] <krism> anyone happen to get the cingular/attws Edge pcmcia connection cards working under linux?
[09:27] <smitty> no I just turn the mp3's to waves with Xmms. then paste them in cd/dvd create and it makes a cd data wave disk I guess
[09:28] <smitty> I just learned how to convert the data last week
[09:28] <felixdz> Hi I need pppoe to come up at boot time. Is there somewhere to put the file so it automatically logs in?
[09:29] <smitty> do I need to attempt a comand prompt?
[09:30] <mini> HappyFool, the hdd is read only? :S
[09:31] <HappyFool> yah
[09:31] <HappyFool> ntfs is readonly in linux
[09:31] <mini> serriously?
[09:31] <mini> so i can't install anything on it?
[09:31] <HappyFool> no
[09:31] <mini> damn.
[09:32] <HappyFool> you wanted to install a linux program there?
[09:32] <mini> then i guess linux isnt for me..
[09:32] <mini> no i wanted to use my hardisk..
[09:32] <mini> put stuff in on it..
[09:32] <Ensiferum> fat32 works
[09:32] <HappyFool> if you need to share disk space between linux/windows, you can use FAT32 instead
[09:32] <thenuke> but do you really have to share it?
[09:33] <mini> i deleted xp..
[09:33] <thenuke> cannot you have dedicated partition for linux
[09:33] <smitty> i might need to use windows till i can get the hang of this
[09:33] <HappyFool> mini: i'm guessing you didn't want to do this?
[09:33] <thenuke> you can have both, linux and windows, on same harddisk
[09:33] <thenuke> but different partitions
[09:33] <smitty> yeah it's awsome
[09:33] <mini> well what can i do with a hardisk that is read only?
[09:34] <smitty> paper weight?
[09:34] <HappyFool> mini: backup data etc
[09:34] <will_> i keep win98 for gaming!!! linux for everything else :)
[09:34] <HappyFool> mini: or play your mp3's or whatever
[09:35] <xvlun> any ideas how it is possible to mount aes loop devices created with other distributions?
[09:35] <xvlun> aes support seems to be broken...
[09:35] <mini> yes but i can't put anything i download in on it..
[09:36] <HappyFool> mini: i'm afraid this is a limitation of ntfs support under linux
[09:36] <HappyFool> do you need to have a windows partition?
[09:36] <randabis-wireles> there is limited ntfs write support, but you have to enable it in your kernel
[09:36] <smitty> i've recantly converted from XP to Linux. I'm into that home recording thing. Is Linux good for home recording?
[09:36] <HappyFool> you said you erased XP, so if you don't want windows anymore, you can erase it and make it a "normal" linux partition
[09:37] <oling> the fonts in QT apps are far to big? where can i change this? (also the folder icons in nautilus are huge)
[09:38] <mini> ok so if i install a game i can't do it?
[09:38] <zAo^> when is the Xorg ATI driver released?
[09:38] <HappyFool> mini: well, if i install a windows game i normally run windows to play it
[09:38] <ubuntu_fool> I have a stupid question.
[09:39] <ubuntu_fool> How do I connect to anotehr device (ex. a router) via a serial cable.  I am using the Ubuntu live CD.
[09:39] <pdkl> ubuntu_fool, i have a stupid answer.
[09:39] <Agrajag> does the livecd come with the program "minicom"?
[09:39] <mini> so what do you need linux for+
[09:39] <mini> ?
[09:39] <pdkl> use a com program
[09:39] <ubuntu_fool> I am familiar with the process, but Ihave never connected via Linux to a serial device before
[09:40] <pdkl> trying to think of one since i havent used one sine the 90s
[09:40] <Agrajag> ubuntu_fool: minicom is what I've always used
[09:40] <Agrajag> it works well
[09:40] <HappyFool> mini: software development
[09:40] <Agrajag> but if it's not on the CD, you may be SOL
[09:40] <ubuntu_fool> I can't find minicom.  bummer
[09:40] <mini> can anyone gimmi directions for a mp3 player for linux?
[09:41] <Agrajag> what mp3 player, and by linux do you mean ubuntu?
[09:41] <pdkl> you try rythme box?
[09:41] <sensebend> mini, xmms
[09:41] <mini> where download+
[09:41] <xvlun> i like rhythmbox although it is by no means perfect
[09:41] <Agrajag> mini: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:42] <pdkl> xvlun, aye, i use itunes myself, but thats on my mac
[09:42] <HappyFool> mini: see also ubuntuguide.org
[09:42] <sensebend> iTunes can run on Linux with Crossover office
[09:42] <xvlun> itunes isnt available for linux, isnt it?
[09:42] <Agrajag> no
[09:43] <xvlun> so its not really an opytion...
[09:43] <krism_> one more disconnect from this Edge card, and i'm going to embed it in a Cingular rep.
[09:43] <pdkl> i like itunes, mainly cause of my ipod
[09:43] <sensebend> iTunes can run on Linux, just the CD burning portion won't work
[09:43] <sensebend> with the use of third party software
[09:43] <pdkl> vmware?
[09:44] <sensebend> Crossover Office
[09:44] <della> is there a netinst image for ubuntu?
[09:44] <sensebend> basically an enchanced version of WINE
[09:44] <Agrajag> vmware would prbably work too, but why run an entire virtual machine for one program?
[09:45] <xvlun> why not using something native
[09:45] <Agrajag> xvlun: I dunno, I use muine or rhythmbox myself
[09:45] <_Stefan_> hi
[09:46] <xvlun> if rhythmbox could only edit tags :(
[09:46] <_Stefan_> i need help
[09:46] <pdkl> i should create a html site wizard
[09:46] <mini> i don't think linux is for me.. anyone else got another got os to recommed?
[09:46] <pdkl> ya ever see RapidWeaver?
[09:46] <_Stefan_> i installed ubuntu
[09:46] <Agrajag> linux isn't an OS
[09:46] <Agrajag> it's a kernel
[09:46] <mini> ok
[09:47] <Agrajag> ubuntu is an OS, slackware, debian, redhat, mandrake, gentoo, etc are OSes
[09:47] <krism_> mini: why not? what's the trouble?
[09:47] <_Stefan_> but i cant boot with my windows xp
[09:47] <Agrajag> if you don't want to deal with linux at all, your only real option is windows
[09:47] <Agrajag> or mac os
[09:47] <Hydrus> or be0s :)
[09:47] <Agrajag> Hydrus: that's not a viable option
[09:47] <will_> mini: do you have a ds boot disk?
[09:47] <Agrajag> and I love beos
[09:47] <Agrajag> but it's just... not good
[09:47] <xvlun> well there are solaris, HPUX, IRIX, AIX....
[09:47] <Hydrus> heh, i know :p
[09:48] <mini> krism_, im a gamer\ downloader.. doesn't seem like linux is that friendly to me :P
[09:48] <Agrajag> xvlun: I'm assuming he wants something that will run on x86 or ppc
[09:48] <krism_> mini: install windows, or get a ps/2.
[09:48] <pdkl> whats the difficulty you having stefan?
[09:48] <mini> hehe.. i have an xbos and xp sp2 pro..
[09:49] <krism> could someone kindly /ping me?
[09:49] <_Stefan_> i installed ubuntu
[09:49] <_Stefan_> but grub doesnt boot from my windows xp
[09:49] <sensebend> 2.84 seconds krischan
[09:49] <ArCHoNKoG> i just  did apt-get update and amd i donwloaded the new kernel now nvidia is not loading in gdm
[09:49] <sensebend> err krism
[09:49] <ArCHoNKoG> what should i do
[09:49] <tolstoy-> ArCHoNKoG: I have that same problem.  Haven't found a solution yet.
[09:49] <_Stefan_> it says filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7
[09:49] <krism> sensebend: thanks. kindy sucky ping, but it is a wireless card
[09:49] <ArCHoNKoG> am not reinstalling
[09:49] <pdkl> ArCHoNKoG, you reinstall nvidia drivers?
[09:50] <ArCHoNKoG> no
[09:50] <ArCHoNKoG> lets see
[09:50] <tolstoy-> ArCHoNKoG: you might try downloading the appropriate "restricted" modules.
[09:50] <pdkl> resintall nvidia drivers
[09:50] <pdkl> nvidiai drivers are based on the kernel version
[09:50] <tolstoy-> pdkl: that didn't work for me, for some reason.
[09:51] <ArCHoNKoG> what the packages name to remove
[09:51] <tolstoy-> pdkl: booting the old kernel did.  hm. maybe there's some rmmod, modprobe action needed
[09:51] <zAo^> router restart :)
[09:53] <tolstoy-> is anyone here running the 2.6.10 kernel AND have nvidia working?
[09:53] <tritium> yes
[09:54] <tolstoy-> okay. so it is possible then. ;)
[09:54] <tritium> yep :)
[09:54] <pdkl> tolstoy-: did you check your /var/log/messages ?
[09:54] <tolstoy-> pdkl: not yet.
[09:54] <Guardiann> tolstoy- you running hoary?
[09:55] <ArCHoNKoG> nope resinstalling didn't work
[09:55] <tolstoy-> Guardiann: yeap.
[09:55] <ArCHoNKoG> any ideas on getting gdm after upggradeing kernel ? on update
[09:55] <Guardiann> you sound works ok?
[09:56] <tolstoy-> interesting. I get "invalid module format" when attempting to modprobe nvidia
[09:56] <tritium> ArCHoNKoG, did you upgrade a kernel and not restricted-modules?  What video card do you have?
[09:56] <ArCHoNKoG> no clue and i have 6800 UT
[09:57] <pdkl> i have had problems with pnp acpi on 2.6.10 kernel
[09:57] <will_> tolstoy: have you tried the nvidia drivers in apt-get?
[09:57] <jmlaf> bonjour
[09:57] <ArCHoNKoG> tritium: you got it working ?
[09:57] <ArCHoNKoG> i don't understand it was working fine befor upgrade
[09:57] <tritium> which kernel?
[09:57] <ArCHoNKoG> i restart and there nothing
[09:58] <tritium> 2.6.10?
[09:58] <tolstoy-> will_: yes.  you're talking the "restricted-modules" right?
[09:58] <ArCHoNKoG> yea
[09:58] <pdkl> go back to 2.6.9 ;)
[09:58] <tolstoy-> I wonder if it's the agpgart driver.  I see something about that in bug #5242
[09:58] <ArCHoNKoG> thats the one i had
[09:58] <tritium> -4?
[09:58] <tolstoy-> 2.6.9 works for me. ;)
[09:58] <ArCHoNKoG> -10
[09:59] <tritium> No, I don't think so.  It's only up to 2.6.10-4
[09:59] <ArCHoNKoG> sorry i meant -1
[09:59] <ArCHoNKoG> 2.6.10-1-386
[10:00] <tritium> Oh, you're using 386 kernel?
[10:00] <ArCHoNKoG> yea
[10:00] <will_> tolstoy-: did it work?
[10:00] <tolstoy-> seems that #5242 suggests you rename agpgart and sis_agp (in my case, intel_agp) so they don't get loaded.
[10:00] <ArCHoNKoG> 2700 amd
[10:00] <tolstoy-> will_: installing the requisite packages didn't work.
[10:01] <tritium> ArCHoNKoG, isn't 2.6.10-3 available for 386?
[10:01] <Vaportrail> grml, I even don't get it how to compile mplayer with ALSA-support
[10:01] <ArCHoNKoG> no clue
[10:01] <toptnc> hi all
[10:01] <will_> tolstoy-:try in synaptic and everything gets installed :)
[10:01] <tritium> Right now 2.6.10-4 is available, but not restricted-modules
[10:01] <tolstoy-> will_: the kernel mod is there, but I get an "Invalid module format" for the nvidia.ko file located in the 2.6.10-1 module tree.
[10:01] <toptnc> one question, wich version of x.org is actually in hoary?
[10:01] <tritium> only 2.6.10-3 for restricted-modules
[10:02] <tolstoy-> will_: guess I'd have to reboot to 2.6.9 to do that.  Is synaptic better than apt-get dist-upgrade?
[10:02] <will_> tolstoy-:it is probably a changein kernel since you built it?
[10:02] <tolstoy-> will_: I didn't build the kernel or the restricted-modules.
[10:02] <tritium> ArCHoNKoG, "dpkg -l | grep linux"
[10:03] <will_> tolstoy-:remember when you have multiple kernels, things can get confusing and you can build for the wrong kernel etc etc
[10:03] <tritium> ArCHoNKoG, tell me what version (3rd column) your 2.6.10 kernel is
[10:03] <tolstoy-> will_: I didn't build 'em.    Look at the 3rd column
[10:06] <ArCHoNKoG> tritium: i have -1,-4
[10:07] <tolstoy-> tritium, will_: interesting.  The package name says 2.6.10-1, but the third column says 2.6.10-4.
[10:07] <pdkl> x.org is on hoary
[10:07] <pdkl> im using it atm
[10:07] <will_> dpkg -l | grep linuxi have the same thing, but it seems to work
[10:07] <pdkl> only problems is the ati driver not released yet ;-(
[10:07] <tritium> ArCHoNKoG, tolstoy- "dpkg -l | grep restricted"
[10:07] <toptnc> pdkl: wich version is it?
[10:07] <Guardiann> hmmm dumb question for everyone why is everyone having so many problmes
[10:07] <Guardiann> with warty
[10:08] <tritium> See, restricted-modules-2.6.10-4 is not available yet.
[10:08] <pdkl> toptnc, 6.8.x (0)
[10:08] <tritium> You probably only have -3
[10:08] <tolstoy-> tritium: yes.
[10:08] <toptnc> pdkl: i need to know that third number
[10:08] <tritium> That's the problem
[10:08] <pdkl> toptnc, 1 sec ill find out
[10:08] <tolstoy-> let's see if I can find the -4s via apt-cache search
[10:08] <ArCHoNKoG> tritium: nothing
[10:08] <will_> tolstoy-: http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#installnvidiadriver
[10:08] <tritium> ArCHoNKoG, do you know your video card?
[10:09] <pdkl> toptnc, 6.8.1
[10:09] <toptnc> pdkl: aha, thanks
[10:10] <pdkl> my mother makes the best pizza in the world
[10:10] <ArCHoNKoG> tritium: yes i do
[10:10] <ArCHoNKoG> geforce FX 6800
[10:10] <ArCHoNKoG> UT
[10:10] <tolstoy-> will_: I've done those things.  I think there's not a compatible nvidia kernel driver for hoary and the 2.6.10-4 kernel.
[10:11] <tritium> tolstoy-, that's what I said
[10:11] <tritium> It's not available quite yet
[10:11] <tolstoy-> tritium: okay. ;)
[10:11] <Hydrus> g'night all
[10:11] <tritium> Don't install linux-image-2.6.10-4 since linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-4 is not available.
[10:12] <Guardiann> so are the problems with warty or hoary
[10:12] <tritium> Guardiann, what problems?
[10:12] <sensebend> is a kernel upgrade every time a new stable version comes out really necessary?
[10:12] <pdkl> i am sticking with 2.6.9 until something gets marked near stable.
[10:12] <tolstoy-> tritium: if they're not available, then I'll consider this "not a bug" and just use the older kernel. ;)
[10:12] <will_> tolstoy-:a ha! did not know you were using hoary!!! sorrY!
[10:12] <tritium> tolle, good plan
[10:12] <Guardiann> the problems that seems like so many are trying to fix
[10:13] <pdkl> my grandmother installed lindows on her computer last month
[10:13] <tritium> Guardiann, it's just that people installed the new kernel since it was available, without realizing that the modules are not yet available.  NOt really a problem.
[10:13] <tolstoy-> will_: :)  yeah, so this all isn't a complaint about quality, just want to make sure I'm doing something worth reporting as a bug.
[10:13] <pdkl> i thought that was neat, she is near 90, and said she got tired of calling me to fix her computer ;-)
[10:13] <Guardiann> ah i see
[10:14] <tritium> I'm sure the 2.6.10-4 restricted-modules will be out soon.  Then the "problem" will go away.
[10:14] <xico> Hi!
[10:15] <Guardiann> i see
[10:15] <tolstoy-> tritium: yeap.  I assumed that dependency checking would keep that problem from happening.
[10:15] <Guardiann> hello xico
[10:15] <tritium> tolstoy-, I don't blame you for that reasonable assumption.
[10:15] <julle> Hi, I compiled fluxbox to my ubuntu, but how do i get it to the gdm sessionlist?
[10:15] <Guardiann> so most of the issues with hoary have been fixed
[10:15] <will_> tolstoy-: if you want my advice, dont use hoary unless you want to test / develop & help, it simply is not read yet. reinstall warty for 'everything works' and maybe have a test machine with hoary on
[10:15] <Guardiann> lol
[10:16] <Guardiann> thanks will_
[10:16] <tolstoy-> will_: i agree with that, but I also like to help, even if just a little.
[10:16] <tolstoy-> will_: so I'm using hoary with eyes open.
[10:17] <techn9ne> how do i change my hostname in terminal?
[10:17] <tolstoy_> well, here I am in beloved X again.
[10:17] <Ensiferum> techn9ne: hostname keke
[10:17] <will_> tolstoy-:i used hoary and helped a bit, but i ended up with an unusable system, so i went back. you can always run hoary on another partition
[10:17] <will_> tolstoy-:yes good old xorg...mmmm sweeet
[10:17] <geppy> Where can I find a deb that would provide the directory '/lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/build'?  linux-source doesn't seem to.
[10:17] <tritium> will_, unusable?
[10:18] <tritium> What happened?  Did you seek help
[10:18] <tritium> ?
[10:18] <tolstoy_> i've not found it unusuable since the first few weeks.
[10:18] <tolstoy_> but I do have weird "gnome" problems, like sometimes when I "startx", gnome panel thinks its already running, etc.  But I can fix that.
[10:19] <pdkl> tolstoy-, same problem here
[10:19] <tritium> geppy, what about linux-headers?
[10:19] <will_> tritium: no i did not :( it was mainly gnome i think
[10:19] <pdkl> tolstoy-, i just usually go kill gconf*
[10:20] <tolstoy_> pdkl, ah, so gconf is the prob?  I end up killing nautilus, gnome-vfs, gnome-panel, then restart.  I'll try that one next time.
[10:20] <tritium> will_, Oh, well that's too bad.  I think we may have been able to help you.  gnome menus went through a slightly bumpy transition there for a while.
[10:20] <geppy> tritium: much thanks!
[10:21] <tritium> geppy, was that it?
[10:21] <geppy> Yes.  =)
[10:21] <tritium> good deal
[10:21] <tolstoy_> and even though I've enabled spamassasin, edited the file in /etc/default, it still doesn't seem to actually work, far as I can tell.
[10:21] <Mutacion> hi :) how do i active the "root" user once i have install ubuntu?
[10:21] <Agrajag> Mutacion: why do you want to?
[10:21] <will_> tritium: it was with the themes-panel and  other things, but i did use other repositories - not a good idea
[10:21] <pdkl> tolstoy-, eh, i do kill them all
[10:22] <tritium> will_, I see.
[10:22] <tolstoy_> pdkl, ah.
[10:22] <pdkl> just load top up and say everything from myself and start killing things,
[10:22] <Mutacion> Agrajag, so i can bring up eth0
[10:22] <tolstoy_> pdkl, i'm going to write a script soon. ;)
[10:22] <will_> tritium: i will be back on the hoary road very soon... :)
[10:22] <Agrajag> Mutacion: why do you need to actuvate the root account for that?
[10:22] <Agrajag> Just use sudo
[10:22] <Agrajag> sudo ifconfig eth0 up
[10:22] <tolstoy_> wow. evo just froze clicking on the junk filter.  Well! ;)
[10:22] <Agrajag> give it your password
[10:23] <stranger> anyone got a cups server running off a warty install?
[10:23] <Mutacion> Agrajag, anyway i need to active root .. and i dunno how to do it
[10:23] <pdkl> tolstoy-, send it to me ;-)
[10:23] <Agrajag> Mutacion: no you don't. I just told you to use sudo.
[10:23] <pdkl> tolstoy-, though i never leave XWindows
[10:23] <Mutacion> Agrajag, let me go to the other pc
[10:23] <zenwhen> sudo passwd root
[10:23] <stranger> activate root : sudo passwd
[10:23] <pdkl> its only when i am trying to get the ati drivers to work or do xorgconfig
[10:23] <Agrajag> That's really not a ogod idea
[10:24] <Agrajag> sudo is more secure than logging in as root
[10:24] <zenwhen> Agrajag, why is it such a bad idea?
[10:24] <Guardiann> Mutacion read the info on www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:24] <zenwhen> Every other distro has root.
[10:24] <zenwhen> It isnt going to kill your machine unless you are a retard.
[10:24] <Agrajag> zenwhen: on a multi-user system, sudo allows you to keep tabs on who's doing what with root
[10:24] <stranger> its not really that much more secure
[10:25] <stranger> though it does eliminate a know user...
[10:25] <zenwhen> show of hands... how many systems in here are multi user?
[10:25] <Agrajag> stranger: if you can't log in as root, it makes it harder for someone to log in
[10:25] <Agrajag> yes
[10:25] <Agrajag> mine is
[10:25] <zenwhen> Who?
[10:25] <zenwhen> Your mom?
[10:25] <Agrajag> who's using it?
[10:25] <Agrajag> me, my dad, and sometimes my lab partners in school
[10:25] <tritium> I have mom using ubuntu :)
[10:26] <Agrajag> I have a general-use account for them on which the password changes every qurter
[10:26] <zenwhen> oh Agrajag-san -_-
[10:26] <pdkl> eh
[10:26] <zenwhen> Its beans
[10:26] <Agrajag> since the school machines generally don't work and are missing libraries
[10:26] <pdkl> for a root shell just do a sudo bash
[10:26] <Agrajag> yeah
[10:26] <pdkl> thats what i do
[10:26] <stranger> so noone has a cups server running?
[10:26] <Agrajag> there's no need for a root account
[10:26] <stranger> no one rather...
[10:26] <tolstoy_> hm. my .py files don't get a specialized icon any more.
[10:26] <zenwhen> Theres no need to not have one either. 8)
[10:27] <will_> sudo /bin/bash !! yeah!
[10:27] <Agrajag> it's a security risk
[10:27] <stranger> conveiniant to have one
[10:27] <tolstoy_> how _do_ you associate an icon with a file type these days?
[10:27] <pdkl> but i have a mac (os x installed) and i perfer just to sudo on simple things
[10:27] <Agrajag> how is it convenient?
[10:27] <stranger> whatever so is IRC
[10:27] <Agrajag> stranger: how so?
[10:27] <pdkl> most of the time for a desktop sudo is just fine
[10:27] <stranger> I can issue several root commands without typing sudo
[10:27] <Agrajag> stranger: just use sudo -c then
[10:27] <Ensiferum> ubuntu rocks \o/
[10:27] <Agrajag> and yo get a root shell
[10:28] <zenwhen> I usuaslly su to root before cimpiling a kernel just so I dont have to type sudo over and over.
[10:28] <zenwhen> compiling*
[10:28] <zenwhen> whats the difference at that point?
[10:28] <pdkl> while i appreciate the ability to compile the kernel
[10:28] <pdkl> i rather just download it
[10:28] <pdkl> the binary ;-)
[10:28] <Agrajag> zenwhen: no difference at all, except in te way in which you gain priveleges
[10:28] <zenwhen> I dont like the default choices made for me by any distro for the kernel.
[10:29] <Agrajag> let's say there were some security hole in openssh that let you log in as an arbitrary user
[10:29] <Agrajag> if root can log in, you're screwed.
[10:29] <stranger> IRC - Lots of ways to get hacked...
[10:30] <xico> Anyone knows how to run fsck : I have I/O errors dur boot ?
[10:30] <xico> during boot
[10:30] <Agrajag> if they don't know your user name, it'd take a lot longer to ge in, and once they were, they couldn't escalate priveleges without your password
[10:30] <Agrajag> stranger: oh yeah? There's that many security holes in x-chat or irssi?
[10:30] <Mutacion> Agrajag tahnks :)..
[10:31] <xukun> yes
[10:31] <zenwhen> Agrajag, http://www.hardocp.com/
[10:31] <xukun> the nvidia logo shows also the same huge vertical line with all kind of colors
[10:31] <zenwhen> lol
[10:31] <zenwhen> 500 error
[10:31] <Agrajag> zenwhen: [H] ardGawd lol
[10:31] <zenwhen> lol
[10:32] <zenwhen> zenw[h] en
[10:32] <zenwhen> @_@
[10:41] <tolstoy_> no one knows how to assign icons to classes of files in gnome 2.8ish?
[10:42] <xhaker> anyone good with file-systems and such?
[10:44] <xhaker> can someone help?
[10:45] <randabis-wireles> depends
[10:45] <tolstoy_> xhaker, try a specific question.
[10:46] <xhaker> i did a "e2fsck -c -C -y /dev/hda2"
[10:46] <xhaker> on an ext3 fs
[10:47] <xhaker> thinking it would check only, not trying to repair
[10:48] <xhaker> the first thing it did was *** ext3 journal has been deleted - filesystem is now ext2 only ***
[10:48] <xhaker> the system is running well
[10:48] <xhaker> but it think it will not do so well on next reboot
[10:49] <xhaker> what do you think
[10:49] <xhaker> ?
[10:52] <dancek> What are the benefits of Ubuntu compared to plain Debian?
[10:54] <Guardiann> much faster
[10:54] <dancek> Guardiann: what do you mean?
[10:54] <Guardiann> everything i have is much faster more responsive
[10:55] <dancek> give me some examples
[10:55] <Guardiann> lol
[10:55] <Guardiann> like i said everything that i have tried to run is more responsive
[10:56] <dancek> I can't really imagine bash being more responsive ;)
[10:56] <dancek> you mean stuff like kde?
[10:56] <xhaker> ubuntu uses gnome by default
[10:56] <dancek> ok then
[10:56] <jcspray> dancek: nicely integrated GNOME, predictable releases, generally simplified and streamlined.
[10:56] <Guardiann> yep
[10:57] <dancek> guess I might try it sometime then
[10:57] <jcspray> I wouldn't claim it's much faster, I think that depends very much on the particular applications you consider and how well you've got your debian system set up.
[10:57] <dancek> (now I'm running debian unstable)
[10:57] <dancek> is it simple to install?
[10:57] <Guardiann> yes very simple
[10:58] <dancek> ok, thanks for the info
[11:01] <xukun> bob2, the gugys at #nvidia things that there is a bug in the nvidia 6629 version driver and they can help me, I the 6111 version works for or shall I say I did work for me, but if I want to install the 6111 version it says that I dont have the wright kernel-sources and I installed the linux-headers-2.6.10-1-386 , anything you can point me at?
[11:01] <xukun> thinks
[11:02] <xukun> I have have been trying this for long time now
[11:03] <smitty> can someone help me figure out how to burn an audio cd with cd/dvd creator?
[11:04] <Guardiann> smitty check out www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:04] <Guardiann> or install k3b
[11:05] <kent> Has any one else experienced that dcgui-qt cant fetch the publict list of hubs in Ubuntu?
[11:09] <xukun> tbbl bye
[11:32] <setite> mnooo
[11:33] <xiximkopp__> I HAVE GLX RUNNING IN HOARY!!!
[11:34] <xiximkopp> I HAVE GLX RUNNING IN HOARY!!!
[11:34] <dud> thats nice for you i suppose...
[11:35] <johantilli> Ubuntu! Yeah!
[11:35] <xiximkopp> i think so!
[11:36] <johantilli> me to! had it in 8h now
[11:36] <xiximkopp> just compiled a custom kernel. now everything works!
[11:36] <johantilli> nice
[11:37] <xiximkopp> i installed gentoo for testing my new graphic card with linux... just because it didn't work in hoary...
[11:39] <johantilli> I have a problem..
[11:40] <johantilli> I wan't to make myself the same rights as Sudo have
[11:40] <kent> johane, you dont want that.  Its like asking to always be the person who can screw the system up.   Use sudo only when you need to, its more safe that way.
[11:41] <xiximkopp> johantilli, why?
[11:41] <johantilli> because i want to be able to open files that is protected
[11:42] <xiximkopp> what files?
[11:42] <johantilli> i have another hd thats fat32 and when i take files from there i can't open them
[11:42] <johantilli> because i have no rights to
[11:43] <xiximkopp> johantilli, change the umask :-D
[11:44] <ArCHoNKoG>  did they fix the upgrade error on kernerl
[11:44] <johantilli> what is a umask? =D
[11:44] <johantilli> im a noob.. ;)
[11:45] <johantilli> my first linux
[11:45] <IceCrmBoB> johantilli: umask defines the default permissions
[11:45] <johantilli> ok.. how do i change it?
[11:45] <xiximkopp> johantilli, add the option "umask=000" to fat partitions in your /etc/fstab
[11:46] <johantilli> ok.. thanks! im gonna try!
[11:46] <johantilli> by the way.. how do i change that option? =D
[11:46] <xiximkopp> johantilli, no prob :-)
[11:47] <kent> johantilli, are you from sweden?
[11:47] <johantilli> yes
[11:48] <xiximkopp> johantilli, i was in sweden about 2 years ago..
[11:48] <kent> johantilli, go to #ubuntu.se and ask there,  we are only two persons right now, haha.. but its easyer for me to help if i can speak swedish.
[11:48] <johantilli> okej! thanks allot! :)
[11:48] <johantilli> xiximkopp: sweden is nice :)
[11:48] <ZzeCoOl> guys is there any way to make firefox ask me where to download the file?
[11:49] <IceCrmBoB> ZzeCoOl: yes, in the options
[11:49] <xiximkopp> johantilli, i know!
[11:49] <xiximkopp> johantilli, where do you come from?
[11:49] <ZzeCoOl> i allready check it but it doesnt works
[11:49] <ZzeCoOl> O_o
[11:51] <xiximkopp> ZzeCoOl, there is an option in the prereferences. its called something like: ask me where to download files to
[11:51] <ZzeCoOl> IceCrmBoB: ok it just wants a mozilla restart
[11:51] <ZzeCoOl> xiximkopp: yes i know :)
[11:51] <jored> hi every body
[11:51] <xiximkopp> ZzeCoOl, doenst work?
[11:52] <ZzeCoOl> but it just want to restart the broswer after that
[11:52] <ZzeCoOl> it works now
[11:52] <jored> i dont remember what its the program that have the live cd to make pdf
[11:52] <ZzeCoOl> thanx anyway
[11:52] <xiximkopp> ZzeCoOl, thats good
[11:52] <jored> do you remember the name?
[11:52] <ZzeCoOl> yeahhh
[11:53] <__learner__> can you please tell me what file I need to edit to mount fat and ntfs partitions on boot
[11:54] <jored> any body have the name?
[11:54] <scizzo> __learner__: /etc/fstab
[11:54] <__learner__> tx
[11:55] <Agatha_Christie> join #Agatha_Christie :-)
[11:56] <kent> xiximkopp, did you realy mean "umask=000" would fix the rights etc, when mounting vfat?
[11:56] <IceCrmBoB> kent: that will make all files permissions 777 or -rwxrwxrwx
[11:56] <xiximkopp> kent, yupp, whats wrong with it
[11:56] <xiximkopp> ?
[11:57] <Brad> test, test
[11:57] <kent> xiximkopp, nothing.  I just looked at the ubuntu wiki and it does not do the same thing..  but as long as it works for him :)  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[11:58] <Brad> can anyone explain how to network ubuntu to work with windows xp on VMware?
[11:58] <mkerby> Hi, everyone
[11:58] <xiximkopp> kent: read the comment??
[11:59] <no0tic> hi all!
[11:59] <carthik> Sometimes I wonder how I lived without multiple desktops
[11:59] <xiximkopp> This will only work if you have a single user system
[11:59] <xiximkopp> kent: i told you the permissions for every user
[12:00] <tritium> What's a good applet or tool for viewing available wireless access points?


[15:19] <Rocket2DMn> hey mdke , i messaged you last weekend but didn't hear back from you.
[15:20] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, I think that the docs currently fail to build with "make all" due to the makefile still containing references to the "switching" section
[15:20] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, can you confirm that this is a problem? I don't want to fiddle with the Makefile unless I'm sure


[05:26] <Researcher-> wb Kilos
[05:26] <Researcher-> Good morning
[05:26] <Researcher-> :)
[05:26] <Kilos> morning Researcher-
[05:26] <Researcher-> how are you bro
[05:26] <Kilos> cold  and you?
[05:26] <Kilos> hehe
[05:26] <Researcher-> i think it would like 6 AM at your place, right ?
[05:27] <Researcher-> warm here ....
[05:27] <Kilos> 7.25am
[05:27] <Researcher-> 45 or 47 C not F
[05:27] <Researcher-> :p
[05:27] <Researcher-> ohh my
[05:27] <Researcher-> we have just 2 hours of difference
[05:27] <Researcher-> :)
[05:27] <Researcher-> here its 9 : 27
[05:27] <Researcher-> A<
[05:27] <Kilos> we 7°c atm
[05:27] <Researcher-> AM
[05:28] <Researcher-> with in 2 hours the temp difference is 43
[05:28] <Kilos> lovely
[05:28] <Kilos> i hate the cold
[05:28] <Kilos> anything under 20°c isnt good for old bones
[05:49] <Researcher-> come and visit here
[05:49] <Researcher-> :D
[05:50] <Researcher-> you bone marrow will get roasted
[05:50] <Kilos> haha
[05:50] <Researcher-> :D
[05:50] <Researcher-> El Acheche Anis is from egypt ?
[05:50] <Researcher-> :)
[05:50] <Kilos> tunisia
[05:50] <Researcher-> i never seen him alive
[05:50] <Researcher-> ahh i see
[05:51] <Researcher-> I have to renew some gas permits from ministry of climate
[05:51] <Kilos> there are other ubuntu guys in egypt
[05:51] <Researcher-> :)
[05:51] <Researcher-> yeah i know some
[05:51] <Researcher-> i used to be hang on all ubuntu loco teams
[05:51] <Kilos> cool
[05:52] <Kilos> but they also slack, only a few have joined ubuntu-africa
[05:52] <Researcher-> ahhh
[05:56] <Researcher-> JonathanD is also from za loco team ?
[05:56] <Researcher-> do you this guy, he made some irc games like wherewolf etc
[05:57] <Kilos> the nick rings a bell, but i cant place him
[05:58] <Kilos> i see so many nicks and groups i forget who is where
[05:58] <Researcher-> ahhh
[05:58] <Researcher-> actually jonathanD used to be freenode staff
[05:58] <Researcher-> and ubuntu member
[05:58] <Kilos> i dont think he is in za
[05:59] <Researcher-> ahh ok bro
[05:59] <Researcher-> brb
[05:59] <Researcher-> :)
[05:59] <Kilos> go well
[11:02] <Researcher-> back
[11:03] <Researcher-> hi pavlushka-
[11:27] <Researcher-> wb barlas
[11:27] <Researcher-> :)
[11:27] <Researcher-> thanks for joining in here
[11:27] <Researcher-> soon we will be growing
[11:28] <Researcher-> :)
[11:28] <Researcher-> we have people here to support the cause
[11:28] <barlas> And then we will take over the world! Mwahahahahaha!
[11:28] <Researcher-> lol
[11:28] <Researcher-> :D
[11:28] <Researcher-> INSHALLAH
[11:28] <Researcher-> here we have friends from South Africa .. tunisia .. usa ... romania
[11:28] <Researcher-> :)
[11:29] <Researcher-> they are idleing here to show their support
[11:29] <Researcher-> dont mind the time difference .. some times we all are very active here
[11:30] <barlas> Meh, I am not very active on IRC either.
[11:31] <barlas> Why ubuntu though?
[11:31] <Researcher-> well the physolophy behind ubuntu is very unique
[11:32] <Researcher-> the sponcer canonical group .. believe in no profit
[11:32] <barlas> Uhhh... but they do.
[11:32] <Researcher-> freely they distributed millions od linux CD's from their own expenses to make a awareness
[11:32] <Researcher-> it is not like we have a problem with windows
[11:33] <Researcher-> also we are one of the biggest and greatest linux community which always willing to help and support
[11:33] <Researcher-> ubuntu is stable and debian variant ... and more secure then redhat .. even we donot charge for license
[11:34] <Researcher-> our distributions have longer life supports .. and our OS is state of the art
[11:34] <Researcher-> :)
[11:34] <Researcher-> have you ever tried on ubuntu ?
[11:34] <Researcher-> :)
[11:35] <barlas> Yes, may flavours of it.
[11:35] <barlas> *many
[11:35] <barlas> How is it more secure than Red Hat?
[11:36] <barlas> And there are hundreds of distributions that don't charge for license.
[11:37] <barlas> Same about the "state of the art" part. :)
[11:37] <barlas> Not trying to troll, just wondering your reasons of choosing ubuntu over many other good candidates :)
[11:38] <Researcher-> let me answer your question ..
[11:38] <barlas> :D
[11:38] <Researcher-> as we are over grown up community base supported .. the bug reporting is faster then the paid OS's
[11:38] <Researcher-> so we rectify them before the other paid do
[11:38] <barlas> It would have been fun, if you had suddently become op, and then said "let me answer your question ..." :D
[11:38] <Researcher-> hahaha
[11:39] <Researcher-> no bro
[11:39] <Researcher-> i dont have access here
[11:39] <Researcher-> :D
[11:39] <Researcher-> but may be soon .. who knows
[11:39] <Researcher-> :)
[11:39] <barlas> heh
[11:39] <Researcher-> ehhhh
[11:39] <Researcher-> :D
[11:39] <Researcher-> so ..
[11:40] <Researcher-> how you rate ubuntu ..
[11:40] <Researcher-> ?
[11:40] <barlas> I am talking about ubuntu vs windows or os x, I mean why not Fedora, or Debian, or Cent OS or Linux Mint! :)
[11:40] <barlas> Oh, Ubuntu is great, no doubt about that.
[11:41] <Researcher-> Fedora is total experimental and desktop base .. so it is not in the scope of stability, performance and security .
[11:41] <barlas> *I am not
[11:41] <barlas> For server?
[11:41] <Researcher-> Debian is a strong contender
[11:41] <barlas> What about centos and debian?
[11:41] <barlas> A *very* strong contender
[11:41] <Researcher-> centos is better but the support is not like ubuntu
[11:42] <Researcher-> but Debian development activity is not like ubuntu
[11:42] <Researcher-> ubuntu have a current release of version 16 :P
[11:42] <barlas> It doesn't matter for servers
[11:42] <Researcher-> and centos some where betweem 7 and 8
[11:42] <Researcher-> so the difference is there
[11:43] <Researcher-> ofcourse it matters .. the more development means more security , stability , compatiblity , more performance
[11:43] <Researcher-> and servers are always having critical role
[11:43] <barlas> Yeah, but if you are talking about Longterm Support, than Ubuntu is verion 14? And they skip 2-3 numbers between every LS release
[11:43] <Researcher-> one server could effect a whole organization]
[11:44] <barlas> There is no guarantee. Can anyone really show that centos's latest version is less secure and stable than ubuntu's latest version?
[11:44] <barlas> Server version keep getting security updates.
[11:45] <barlas> So, there is no difference there.
[11:45] <Researcher-> the very best method to determine is ... some how we get the bug/incident reporting score
[11:45] <Researcher-> the ubuntu is on the top
[11:45] <Researcher-> as we are always open 24/7 for your help
[11:46] <Researcher-> and for free
[11:46] <barlas> bug/incident against applications or core os?
[11:46] <barlas> So are other distro
[11:46] <barlas> :D
[11:46] <Researcher-> core os ... is at the main priority
[11:46] <barlas> For all distro, specially the server focused ones!
[11:47] <Researcher-> yes
[11:47] <Researcher-> the ubuntu is not only bound to servers mode
[11:47] <Researcher-> we have gaming flavor, fully rich desktop experience versions as well.
[11:48] <barlas> Okay, take debian than, it's both server and desktop focused.
[11:48] <barlas> It has all that.
[11:48] <Researcher-> well ...
[11:48] <Researcher-> as i said earlier .. Debian is a strong contender ..
[11:49] <Researcher-> but again from activity .. Debian is very slow inprogress
[11:49] <Researcher-> if you file a bug it take weeks to get a reply
[11:49] <barlas> Hmm...
[11:49] <barlas> Archlinux then? :P
[11:50] <barlas> They are very active,
[11:50] <Researcher-> Archlinux is fine ..
[11:50] <Researcher-> :)
[11:51] <Researcher-> brb bro .. i dont like to leave in the middle ,but boss is calling
[11:52] <Researcher-> please join us here daily, you are always welcome
[11:52] <barlas> Sure, no problem.
[11:52] <barlas> I am not leaving :P
[11:52] <Researcher-> cool
[11:52] <barlas> I am waiting for you to return!
[11:52] <Researcher-> you will find Kilos here
[11:52] <Researcher-> :)
[11:52] <Researcher-> he is from SA
[11:52] <Researcher-> and nice friend of mine
[11:52] <Researcher-> ok bro
[11:52] <Researcher-> brb
[11:52] <barlas> okay
[12:36] <pavlushka-> hi Researcher-
[12:41] <Researcher-> hi pavlusha-
[12:41] <Researcher-> i am back barlas
[12:41] <Researcher-> :)
[12:43] <pavlushka-> learned a lot from your discussion with barlas, :)
[12:43] <barlas> pavlushka-: About me or linux? :)
[12:43] <barlas> Welcome back Researcher-
[12:44] <pavlushka-> lol, barlas, about ubuntu, :p
[12:46] <pavlushka-> I just loved ubuntu for its user experience, not a server guy, but got some idea today.
[13:32] <Researcher-> back
[13:32] <Researcher-> :)
[13:32] <Researcher-> office will get off in 30 minutes
[13:32] <Researcher-> :p
[13:32] <Researcher-> let me call my wifeeee
[13:34] <elacheche> Hey Researcher- :)
[13:47] <Researcher-> hi elacheche
[13:48] <Researcher-> sup
[13:49] <elacheche> Good, u?
[13:50] <elacheche> Woow! I see too many names here :) That's a good thing :D a month or 2 ago I was alone with 2 persons :)
[13:51] <Researcher-> :)
[13:51] <Researcher-> well i am here since the day one
[13:51] <Researcher-> I hanged here for more then 11 years
[13:51] <Researcher-> yes i invited some friendsd
[13:51] <Researcher-> had a long convo with kilos
[13:52] <Researcher-> and decided to start on the project
[13:52] <Researcher-> I am totally again the loco team pk leader
[13:53] <elacheche> Awesome Researcher- :) :)
[13:53] <Researcher-> elacheche i am in muscat oman
[13:53] <Researcher-> you from tunisia ?
[13:54] <elacheche> yep Researcher- :)
[13:54] <Researcher-> great
[13:54] <Researcher-> el acheche nice to meet you.
[13:55] <elacheche> nice to meet you too Researcher- :)
[13:56] <Researcher-> same here
[13:56] <Researcher-> :)
[13:56] <Researcher-> el achche my name is Saeed
[13:56] <Researcher-> your ?
[13:56] <elacheche> Anis :)
[13:57] <Researcher-> nice to meet you Anis
[13:58] <Researcher-> well time to leave office
[13:58] <Researcher-> will catch you from home
[13:58] <Researcher-> elacheache congrad for your marriage
[13:58] <elacheche> Take care Researcher- :)
[13:58] <Researcher-> try to join us earlier
[13:58] <Researcher-> barlas also from pakistan
[13:59] <Researcher-> barlas : take care catch you tomorrow here.. we are going to plan great new changes here
[14:09] <barlas> Have fun!
[14:10] <elacheche> o/ barlas :)
[14:10] <barlas> o/ elacheche
[14:10] <barlas> What's up?
[14:22] <elacheche> good you barlas
[14:22] <elacheche> ?
[14:22] <Kilos> hi guys
[14:23] <elacheche> hey Kilos :)
[14:23] <Kilos> imagine meeting you here
[14:23] <Kilos> hehe
[14:24] <Kilos> hi barlas
[14:24] <Kilos> i have had  a bad connection day and lots of outside work
[14:24] <elacheche> :D
[17:43] <Kilos> hi Ubuntix
[17:52] <Kilos> wb pavlushka
[18:02] <pavlushka> Thanks!


[20:37] <cainus> anyone awake?  just wondering how to debug a job that won't start?  even with log level at DEBUG, I get no useful information logged (just 100 lines saying it started then stopped)
[20:38] <ion> See “Obtaining a log of a Script Section” in the cookbook.
[20:39] <ion> You can just use e.g. /tmp/myjob.log if you’re debugging it on an otherwise properly running system.
[20:43] <cainus> thanks ion... I'll take a look
[20:44] <ion> (That is, instead of /dev/.initramfs. But it’s just fine to use that, too.)
[20:48] <cainus> hmmm I've already got a line like that... I used foreman to generate the .confs, and it added that apparently
[20:49] <cainus> and yet nothing matching the process in /var/log/