[00:00] <wirechief> Skapare yes, i think that is a good target
[00:00] <ienorand> Sniper606: Theoretically it should be the same... but depending on how much breakage and configuring you've had...
[00:00] <Skapare> wirechief: from that, it looks like they have an ISO inside an ISO
[00:00] <Sniper606> no breakge in rc1 everything is perfect
[00:01] <Sniper606> in the beta i had a bad problem, no /etc/fstab but no problems at all in rc1
[00:01] <wirechief> Skapare I seem to remember just copying it to the place indicated.
[00:02] <wirechief> Skapare your idea would to only have one .iso
[00:02] <ienorand> Sniper606: And this is an installed-from-rc? Then it shouldn't make a difference.
[00:02] <Skapare> wirechief: I'll have to see more details about how they did it ... but my grub config is different ... yes, only one file whether it is called .iso or .img
[00:02] <spartan2276> How can I reinstall the default Xserver-xorg OSS drivers
[00:03] <aaron__> fuzzy: I installed the 'Broadcom STA wireless driver' from the restricted drivers manager, if that helps
[00:03] <SectionOne> Hello All.. what would you guys recommend as far as hardware specs for an Ubuntu file server handling about 20 Windows XP/Vista computers?
[00:03] <spartan2276> I'v bee trying to chroot from a live cd and running sudo apt-get remove --purge xorg-driver-fglrx but it wont work
[00:03] <Skapare> wirechief: the script source to build is in the same directory as the test image:  http://slashusr.net/ubuntu/
[00:04] <wirechief> Skapare all those .isos are compatible with ubuntu.
[00:04] <Skapare> wirechief: grab the tarball ... no docs yet so you are on your own for now to explore how it works
[00:04] <Skapare> wirechief: is there a URL to the page for that project?
[00:05] <Skapare> when I come up with a project name for mine, I'll make a page for it
[00:05] <wirechief> Skapare which the hybrid.iso ?
[00:05] <Skapare> yeah
[00:06] <Skapare> with all the USB keys and SD cards around, I think distros should come on hybrid iso/img files
[00:06] <wirechief> Skapare just take the name of the file off and you have the directory
[00:06] <Skapare> OK, I'll look ... gotta go afk for a waiting phone call
[00:07] <wirechief> Skapare ok will check your webpage out
[00:08] <spartan2276> Is there any way to remove the ATI-drivers from a Live CD do I can login in again through GUI?
[00:10] <Jordan_U> spartan2276, The liveCD doesn't have fglrx on it
[00:11] <drbobb> hello, is sftp support broken in jaunty's dolphin?
[00:12] <spartan2276> Jordan_U: I know that, but my install does
[00:13] <spartan2276> Jordan_U: so I want to remove it from my main install and reinstall the OSS drivers so that I can use the system again
[00:13] <Jordan_U> spartan2276, Sorry, misunderstood, the chroot should work. Are you getting an error?
[00:13] <spartan2276> yes doing chroot and still getting an error
[00:13] <spartan2276> Jordan_U: this is what I did using chroot
[00:14] <spartan2276> Jordan_U: apt-get remove --purge xorg-driver-fglrx
[00:14] <wirechief> Sniper606 i just du to keep things current
[00:16] <spartan2276> Jordan_U: take a look at the error http://pastebin.com/m32e840b6
[00:17] <Jordan_U> spartan2276, Ahh, are you still in the liveCD session?
[00:17] <spartan2276> yes
[00:17] <spartan2276> this is the only way I can use my PC
[00:17] <Jordan_U> spartan2276, What is the mountpoint for the chroot?
[00:17] <spartan2276> /media/disk
[00:18] <Jordan_U> spartan2276, try running "sudo mount -o bind /dev /media/disk/dev" and "sudo mount -o bind /proc /media/disk/proc"
[00:19] <Jordan_U> spartan2276, That should make /dev and /proc available in the chroot, it looks like the removal script relies on at least /dev being available
[00:19] <spartan2276> ok so should I sudo chroot /media/disk again?
[00:22] <Jordan_U> spartan2276, No, just re run apt-get remove
[00:23] <spartan2276> Jordan_U: oops already did it and it worked, now how can I install the OSS default drivers
[00:23] <Jordan_U> spartan2276, They shouldn't have ever been removed
[00:23] <spartan2276> Jordan_U: can I run this sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[00:24] <Jordan_U> spartan2276, Yes
[00:24] <spartan2276> K let me try that
[00:24] <spartan2276> K let me try and reboot from normal session, thanks
[00:27] <Naynay> I take it that the ATI proprietary driver is still broken
[00:27] <Naynay> AMD only released a newer version of it a few days ago
[00:27] <DanaG> broken how?
[00:28] <DanaG> This bug, perchance?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600
[00:28] <Naynay> could be
[00:28] <Naynay> is that bug fixed?
[00:30] <Jordan_U> Naynay, fglrx is available for jaunty, they gave a pre-release version for Ubuntu so it could be tested during the development cycle
[00:31] <lifi> and most things are still broken :p
[00:31] <Naynay> Oh OK. Yes, that's the bug I was referring to
[00:32] <fuzzytwo> hey i'm trying to compile the compat-wireless nightly (4-19-09) in jaunty and i'm seeing errors trying to load the module, http://pastebin.com/m76a4b646
[00:32] <DanaG> The thing for me was that all versions even with Intrepid, were all broken.
[00:32] <DanaG> So, it wasn't just Jaunty for me.
[00:33] <fuzzytwo> does anyone know what ksize is supposed to be?
[00:33] <Naynay> ah
[00:33] <dust> i can only hear music in my front speakers!??! i got 6.1 speakers
[00:34] <on5sl> vlc is buggy like hell on ym machine?ubuntu completely freezes when going fullscreen
[00:34] <fuzzytwo> dust: are you playing a 2 channel audio file?
[00:34] <on5sl> i had to reset my pc...sometimes he crashes sometimes not.. Soem output from vlc: http://pastebin.com/d76de41c8
[00:34] <Naynay> vnc, you mean?
[00:35] <on5sl> vlc i mean
[00:36] <Naynay> Ahm of course. Now that I think about it, that's actually confusing. Both have fullscreen modes
[00:38] <dust> sorry, lost link
[00:38] <DanaG> Quick, somebody get a broom!  =þ
[00:38] <dust> any ideas on getting all my speakers soundable
[00:39] <fuzzytwo> dust:
[00:39] <fuzzytwo> have you tried a dvd with 5.1 dts or dd encoding?
[00:40] <dust> fuzzytwo: some thx trailers
[00:40] <fuzzytwo> did they work?
[00:40] <fuzzytwo> what did you watch them in?
[00:42] <dust> hmm
[00:42] <dust> totem
[00:42] <fuzzytwo> yea don't do that
[00:42] <fuzzytwo> totem uses gstreamer for output
[00:43] <fuzzytwo> and has a handy habit of mucking surround
[00:43] <dust> btw, when testing OSS it plays in all speakers
[00:43] <dust> pulseaudio only 2front and alsa 2front
[00:43] <fuzzytwo> i suggest you use something with a xine or vlc as the backend
[00:43] <dust> oss 5.1
[00:43] <fuzzytwo> it's because of your speaker arrangement
[00:44] <dust> how do i get 6.1 with pulseaudio or alsa
[00:44] <dust> i got creative sound blaster audigy 2 zs
[00:44] <fuzzytwo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=595412
[00:44] <fuzzytwo> try that
[00:44] <DanaG> oh, you can either install pulseaudio 0.9.15 from the PPA, or edit daemon.conf.
[00:44] <fuzzytwo> i use a turtle beach and a sony STR-DV10 to make my surround
[00:44] <fuzzytwo> but that is spdif out
[00:44] <dust> .asoundrc
[00:45] <dust> in /home/dust ?
[00:45] <fuzzytwo> yes
[00:46] <dust> fuzzytwo: should i use pulseaudio or alsa in output device preference for the audio category
[00:46] <dust> in the first chouse?
[00:46] <fuzzytwo> for all your stereo stuff
[00:47] <mylogic> anyone have any fun advise on intel's GM965 x3100 vid card and desktop effects?
[00:47] <fuzzytwo> and if you are not using spdif out use pulse
[00:47] <fuzzytwo> mylogic, try the dri2
[00:47] <mylogic> manually edit my xorg conf and restart xorg?
[00:48] <fuzzytwo> i have been using dri2 on my laptop
[00:48] <fuzzytwo> and aside from a random artifact once in a while it works really well
[00:48] <MarcN> no torrent for jaunty unr?
[00:48] <mylogic> where is the xorg.conf located at, can't remember off of the top of my head
[00:49] <fuzzytwo> MarcN, it's not released yet
[00:49] <mylogic> there are torrents for it though
[00:49] <wirechief>  try /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:49] <fuzzytwo> mylogic, all system wide conf files belong in /etc
[00:49] <mylogic> ah yes, that sounds right
[00:49] <mylogic> yeah, it's been a long time since I've done much manually conf editing, since back with gentoo and XFree heh
[00:49] <histo> MarcN: there is a torrent ont he download page
[00:50] <MarcN> fuzzytwo: my question should have been "no torrent for jaunty unr rc?" ;-)
[00:50] <histo> MarcN: www.ubuntu.com/testing
[00:51] <MarcN> histo: ah, I was looking at the 9.04 page here: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/
[00:51] <mylogic> fuzzytwo: where do you change what vid driver is used? doesn't seem to be in xorg.conf
[00:51] <histo> MarcN: k np
[00:51] <histo> mylogic: xorg.conf isn't used anymore but if you specify a driver in there and the module is loaded it will use it.
[00:52] <mylogic> ah, what's the the line to add
[00:52] <MarcN> histo: that route takes me to where I started.  see torrents for other isos, but not the unr
[00:53] <histo> MarcN: whats the unr?
[00:53] <mylogic> hrm, I might just live without desktop effects until it's fully supported, shouldn't be long I wouldn't imagine
[00:53] <MarcN> histo: the bootable USB version for netbooks.
[00:53] <histo> mylogic: i've been using them for years
[00:53] <histo> MarcN: ahh no idea on that one.
[00:54] <MarcN> histo: my damn cable connection says 10+ hours.
[00:54] <mylogic> histo: I'm guessing you have an intel GM965 too?
[00:54] <MarcN> I think comcast is traffic shaping large downloads
[00:54] <histo> mylogic: ughhh intel cards have issues
[00:55] <mylogic> I haven't had any problem in the past, especially since I got this one preloaded with ubuntu (dell)
[00:55] <fuzzytwo> mylogic, your not changing your video driver just look at the jaunty beta annoucement
[00:55] <mylogic> I know, I saw it
[00:55] <fuzzytwo> it's documented there
[00:55] <mylogic> hmm
[00:56] <fuzzytwo> add it as an option to
[00:56] <fuzzytwo> 	Identifier	"Configured Video Device"
[00:56] <fuzzytwo> in that device section
[00:56] <fuzzytwo> i think that is where it belongs
[00:56] <mylogic> yeah, where is this documented again? Surely I'm not that blind these days
[00:57] <fuzzytwo> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/beta
[00:58] <fuzzytwo> seach that page for EXA
[00:58] <histo> There are some issues with intel chipsets
[00:58] <mylogic> ah, ok
[00:58] <fuzzytwo> i'm using it just fine on a 915 setup
[00:59] <mylogic> so currently, it's trying to use UXA... I see
[00:59] <MarcN> does update-manager -d just change apt/sources.list from intrepid to jaunty and then dist-upgrade?
[00:59] <histo> well the preffered method now i blieve is to do-release-upgrade -d
[01:00] <Jordan_U> MarcN, No, it does additional checks
[01:00] <major> flash is buggy and jerky
[01:00] <major> any fix
[01:01] <MarcN> Jordan_U: okay.  I';ll try that route.  hoping for a little faster/more stable firefox/flash on my netbook
[01:03] <dust> fuzzytwo: hey
[01:04] <fuzzytwo> ?
[01:04] <dust> fuzzytwo: my rear right speaker is mute when i try that testaudio
[01:04] <dust> probably it's brokern the element 6.1 box
[01:04] <fuzzytwo> read up on alsa speaker arrangement and mapping
[01:05] <dust> fuzzytwo: it's same in windows vista
[01:05] <fuzzytwo> you can use aplay to direct sound at that exact channel
[01:05] <fuzzytwo> if you do that, try to swap the speaker out for another one to see if it's a hardware element
[01:06] <dust> fuzzytwo: that's complicated.
[01:06] <dust> fuzzytwo: LFE to Rear Right would be nice
[01:06] <fuzzytwo> not really
[01:06] <dust> can you help?
[01:06] <fuzzytwo> not really
[01:06] <dust> i need to change LFE to Rear Right
[01:06] <fuzzytwo> i push all my surround out via spdif
[01:06] <dust> fuzzytwo: i dont know what that is?
[01:06] <fuzzytwo> then do all my buggery in my receiver
[01:07] <fuzzytwo> i use a fiber optic link from my sound card to my home theater receiver
[01:07] <dust> fuzzytwo: is it possible to change LFE to use Rear Right
[01:07] <fuzzytwo> i believe so, you have to read up on alsa speaker mapping
[01:07] <dust> fuzzytwo: what is that
[01:07] <fuzzytwo> it's what that asoundrc file is all about
[01:07] <fuzzytwo> google it
[01:07] <dust> hmm
[01:09] <dust> mhmmm
[01:09] <dust> coul dyou help some plz
[01:09] <dust> fuzzytwo:
[01:09] <fuzzytwo> you know
[01:09] <fuzzytwo> i'll trade you
[01:09] <fuzzytwo> you fix my wireless card
[01:09] <fuzzytwo> and i'll fix your speakers
[01:09] <fuzzytwo> :p
[01:09] <dust> heh.
[01:09] <fuzzytwo> oh and by the way, you've only got 20 minutes
[01:09] <fuzzytwo> get to cracking
[01:10] <dust> use gnome heh
[01:10] <fuzzytwo> sorry you lose
[01:10] <dust> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Asoundrc
[01:10]  * fuzzytwo goes back to work
[01:10] <dust> i found that site
[01:14] <Lasivian> where can I download 9.04?
[01:15]  * Lasivian sighs
[01:15]  * Lasivian noticed the topic a tad late
[01:15] <rm```> ubuntu.com
[01:15] <Lasivian> rm```: yeah, but it's not linked from anything I saw
[01:15] <Lasivian> i'm just tired :P
[01:15] <rm```> there is a huge banner at the top of the page saying DOWNLOAD the release candidate now :P
[01:17] <Pollywog> does sound work in Jaunty or does it not work for me because I did an upgrade and not a clean install?
[01:19] <Pollywog> Nvidia also did not work well for me and almost every upgrade I have done in Ubuntu resulted in Nvidia problems that a clean install fixed
[01:19] <wirechief> Pollywog proprietary drivers are troublesome.
[01:20] <fujimitsu_> sound works
[01:20] <wirechief> Pollywog my sound works though
[01:20] <Pollywog> well is there something that can be done about it?
[01:20] <Pollywog> lk
[01:20] <Pollywog> k thanks
[01:20] <wirechief> Pollywog i had to use alsamixer and set and reset 958 d
[01:20] <Pollywog> then I think the problem is the upgrade, I will copy my files and then do a clean install
[01:21] <Pollywog> did you upgrade?
[01:21] <Pollywog> I upgraded from Intrepid
[01:21] <wirechief> Pollywog why not just use the live until the final comes out ?
[01:21] <Pollywog> too slow
[01:21] <fujimitsu_> i did fresh install , but i have done upgrades and had no sound issues..
[01:21] <fuzzy> use it on a usb stick
[01:22] <Pollywog> that is even slower than the live CD
[01:22]  * wirechief if you can get it to work on a usb stick
[01:22] <fuzzy> it works great for me on a usb stick
[01:22] <Pollywog> I have never been able to get it to work well on a stick
[01:22] <wirechief> fuzzy mine did too until lately
[01:23] <fuzzy> i just did it today
[01:23] <fuzzy> live cd and the install
[01:23] <fujimitsu_> you should just reinstall.. set a small partition for it and test out
[01:23] <fuzzy> made the usb stick in 8.10
[01:23] <hil> use a good usb-stick ;) mine reads 35MB/sec, my old HD's are slower
[01:23] <Pollywog> though I found a way to make a stick using a procedure I found for netbooks and that one works as an installer though it is very slow
[01:23] <wirechief> fuzzy did you download the daily build today and it worked with usb ?
[01:23] <fuzzy> i took
[01:23] <fuzzy> the ubuntu 9.04 i386 cd iso
[01:24] <Pollywog> thanks for the info
[01:24] <fuzzy> i found chilling in another folder, i don't have a dvd burner, and the usb stick is too small for it
[01:24] <g4lv4tr0n> hi just upgraded to jaunty and reinstalled dvb-utils but when i try to scan for channels there is no /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples folder ???
[01:24] <dust> xit
[01:25] <g4lv4tr0n> jaunty ftw!!! :)
[01:26] <g4lv4tr0n> nice to see wine and wow are working again no more access violation
[01:26] <g4lv4tr0n>
[01:26] <g4lv4tr0n> hi just upgraded to jaunty and reinstalled dvb-utils but when i try to scan for channels there is no /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples folder ???
[01:26] <AaronMT> No need to repeat.
[01:26] <wirechief> fuzzy what version of usb-creator do you have ? mine is 1.0.16 and its not creating a workable usb.
[01:26] <uda> someone mind helping me with nvidia dual monitor? was working great till i set one monitor to 'off' and i havent been able to get it back at all
[01:27] <uda> 2nd monitor doesnt even appear in layout anymore in nvidia x server settings
[01:29] <Lasivian> "Terminated"
[01:29] <Lasivian> hope that's what it's supposed to do
[01:30] <ienorand> Pollywog: usb speed depends on the usb... I run entire jaunty of a 8bg stick... and it's comparable to hd.
[01:30] <g4lv4tr0n>
[01:30] <g4lv4tr0n>
[01:30] <g4lv4tr0n> hi just upgraded to jaunty and reinstalled dvb-utils but when i try to scan for channels there is no /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples folder ???
[01:30] <g4lv4tr0n>
[01:31] <Halow> !flood | g4lv4tr0n
[01:31] <AaronMT> !patience | g4lv4tr0n
[01:31] <g4lv4tr0n> sorry my bad
[01:31] <Lasivian> ok, I was upgrading and it suddenly shutdown with a new shutdown screen (smaller ubuntu logo and letters, then it said "Terminated" and now it's a black screen but the machine is physically on
[01:32] <g4lv4tr0n> has anyone got the /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples folder ?
[01:32] <Lasivian> I have this sinking feeling
[01:33]  * wirechief hands Lasivian a towel
[01:34] <Lasivian> so this is bad I assume?
[01:34] <Halow> uda: Have you restarted X? Checked the cables?
[01:34] <wirechief> Lasivian i dont know, what were you doing ? upgrading from 8.10 to 9.04 ?
[01:34] <wafic> hi all
[01:34] <uda> yes and yes
[01:34] <Lasivian> wirechief: yes
[01:34] <ienorand> Lasivian: ctrl+alt+f1... resiub...
[01:35] <wirechief> Lasivian what graphics card do you have ?
[01:35] <Lasivian> ctrl-alt-f1 does nothing
[01:35] <Lasivian> it's an Acer Aspire One notebook
[01:35] <wirechief> Lasivian , Nvidia, Intel, ATI  ?
[01:35] <Lasivian> hrrm, one sec
[01:35]  * ienorand braces, is it an intel?
[01:36] <Halow> uda: Hm. The only trouble I had with my nvidia card and dual screens was when I didn't double check my wires. :)
[01:36] <uda> Halow, ive been trying to fix it for a couple of days now. at point, ive been able to move the mouse off one screen to where the other would be, but with nothing visible on the 2nd monitor, and it still not showing in nvidia settings
[01:36]  * wirechief drum roll  begins....
[01:38] <Lasivian> Intel GMA950
[01:38] <ienorand> Lasivian: What you could try as a last "clean" shutdown attempt is hold down alt+printscreen (or alt+sysrq) then press the keys REISUB, in that order.. with about 2 or more seconds between each keypress
[01:39] <wafic> did any one used winehq
[01:39] <Lasivian> ienorand: while holding those down?
[01:39] <wirechief> Lasivian  well i dunno thats perhaps newer than the intel945 and do the REISUB but was trying to get some more information like is the hd light still blinking ?
[01:40] <Lasivian> drive light isn't running
[01:40] <ienorand> Lasivian: whilst holding alt+sysreq
[01:40] <Lasivian> nothing
[01:41] <wirechief> heres a good howto http://techpatterns.com/forums/about911.html
[01:41] <ienorand> Lasivian: Ok, hard reboot.
[01:41] <Lasivian> booting the 8.10-looking screen
[01:42] <ienorand> wirechief: Hmm, is there a preserence of syncing before or after killing processes?
[01:42] <ienorand> *preference
[01:42] <wirechief> ienorand: it usually just works as indicated in that howto
[01:43] <wirechief> ienorand: i have never had a crashed filesystem when ive used that proceedure
[01:43] <Lasivian> logged in to a blank flesh-colored screen
[01:43] <wirechief> and thanks to intel ive had to use it very frequently
[01:43] <ienorand> wirechief: Yea, but i learned the reisub (raising elephants is so utterly boring :) ) combo, with sync after kill...
[01:44] <Lasivian> nothin works, well poo
[01:45] <ienorand> Lasivian: what point do you get to?
[01:45] <wirechief> Lasivian you can do dpkg --configure -a   then apt-get install -f then apt-get dist-upgrade see what happens
[01:46] <ienorand> Lasivian: go for recovery mode if you have no termianl
[01:46]  * wirechief not very good at fixing things when you cannot see the other end
[01:47] <ienorand> s/termianl/terminal
[01:48] <Lasivian> ienorand: it goes through the 8.10 looking name/password, then I get a flesh screen and nothing responds, restarting gnome
[01:49] <ienorand> Lasivian: Ah, ok, then you should be able to get to terminal using ctrl+alt+f1, and try wirechief's commands
[01:53] <wirechief> ienorand probably needs to get that 8.10 completely up-todate with du then try a upgrade to 9.04 if thats what is desired.
[01:55] <Lasivian> wirechief: running the first command
[01:55] <Lasivian> thanks for the help btw guys :)
[01:55] <Lasivian> thankfully, I made a full backup just before doing this, so if it dies I won't be distraught, heh
[01:56] <Lasivian> i'm tempted just to erase the damn thing
[01:56] <wirechief> Lasivian: well chalk it up to learning ;)
[01:56] <Lasivian> yeah
[01:57] <wirechief> Lasivian and keep a note file with all the commands given for later....
[01:57] <Lasivian> my years of Windows knowledge do me scant little now
[01:57] <wirechief> Lasivian: i left it 2 years ago (hasnt looked back)
[01:57] <Lasivian> i'm working on about 6 months
[01:58] <wirechief> Lasivian: linux was very confusing for at least 2 to 3 months for me but i was determind to learn it.
[01:58] <Lasivian> some habits die hard, like the idea that I can run an old kernel with a new version, that's still odd terrain
[01:58] <Lasivian> and often I know "what" I want to do, but not the command or location of the button in Ubuntu
[01:59] <uda> anyone able to help me with nvidia twinview losing one of my monitors?
[01:59] <Lasivian> that's REALLY frustrating.. finding that happening in Vista and Office 2007 made me finally give it up completely
[01:59] <macman_> hi all .. ever since i updated to jaunty firefox updated to .. now when i go to a flash site it has a play button .. when i click it nothing happens .. any ideas ?
[01:59] <wirechief> Lasivian:  i got a lot of good experience with both sidux and kanotix but Ubuntu has really come a long way for ease of use.
[02:00] <Lasivian> macman_: I know i've been having alot of issues with 3.0.8 myself
[02:00] <macman_> anyway to fix ?
[02:00] <Halow> macman_: Using flash block?
[02:00] <macman_> Halow: what is flash block ?
[02:00] <Lasivian> haven't delved into it, but I get a feeling it's not Jaunty-related
[02:00] <Halow> macman_: That sounds like a no. :)
[02:01] <Halow> macman_: It's an extension that blocks flash from starting automatically (think unwanted ads) unless you allow them.
[02:01] <wirechief> Lasivian: actually kanotix uses all Ubuntu kernels and the scripts make installing Nvidia a breeze
[02:01] <Lasivian> yeah, but if that was the cause he'd click and play
[02:01] <Lasivian> he's clicking and not playing
[02:01] <Lasivian> sounds like the flash install is broken
[02:02] <macman_> Halow: how do i check this to see if it is blocking it or something
[02:02] <Halow> Well, it usually gives a small play button to flash it blocks, so...
[02:02] <Lasivian> macman_: I would try the 3.0.8 release package stright from mozilla on their ftp site
[02:02] <macman_> Lasivian: so apt-get remove firefox and then install the 3.0.8 ?
[02:02] <wirechief> macman_: what is the url for this flash site ?
[02:02] <Lasivian> http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/3.0.8/linux-i686/en-US/
[02:03] <Halow> macman_: You can check which Firefox extensions you have in Tools>Ad Ons.
[02:03] <Lasivian> macman_: no, you can have both installed
[02:03] <Lasivian> macman_: tho if you want to blow away the existing one go ahead
[02:03] <Halow> The beta for Firefox is also in the repos, as far as I know.
[02:03] <macman_> i have shockware flash 9.0 r999
[02:04] <Lasivian> Halow: the ubuntu 3.0.8 firefox package is goofy, when I went with Mozilla's release directly it ran a hell of alot better and fixed a few quirks :/
[02:04] <Lasivian> nothing to lose by trying it I figure
[02:04] <Halow> macman_: Ah... I'm not using shockwave. I'm using the "flashplugin-nonfree" (adobe) from the repos.
[02:04] <macman_> thats what i thouth i ws using
[02:04] <macman_> let me rm it
[02:05] <Lasivian> Adobe has a flash ubuntu package on their site btw
[02:05] <Lasivian> but I have not toyed with that, I dislike flash :P
[02:05] <macman_> Halow: not working .. how can i get this fixed or can i ?
[02:05] <Halow> I like installing things from the repos. Not having to run around everywhere to get updates is a wonderful thing. :)
[02:06] <Lasivian> Halow: normally I completely agree, but Firefox 3.0.8 PO'd be bigtime
[02:06] <Halow> macman_: Do you have flashplugin-nonfree? Try (without quotes) "dpkg -l flashplayer-nonfree" in terminal.
[02:06] <Halow> It should tell if it's installed or not.
[02:06] <macman_> yes i do .. i will check
[02:06] <gadjo> hello
[02:06] <gadjo> please help me with this issue
[02:06] <gadjo> i'm trying to install 2 packages, which depend each one on the other
[02:06] <gadjo> tmp$ sudo -u root dpkg -i libstdc++6-4.0-dev_4.0.3-1ubuntu5_i386.deb g++-4.0_4.0.3-1ubuntu5_i386.deb
[02:06] <gadjo> Selecting previously deselected package libstdc++6-4.0-dev.
[02:06] <gadjo> (Reading database ... 125185 files and directories currently installed.)
[02:06] <gadjo> Unpacking libstdc++6-4.0-dev (from libstdc++6-4.0-dev_4.0.3-1ubuntu5_i386.deb) ...
[02:06] <gadjo> Selecting previously deselected package g++-4.0.
[02:07] <gadjo> Unpacking g++-4.0 (from g++-4.0_4.0.3-1ubuntu5_i386.deb) ...
[02:07] <gadjo> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libstdc++6-4.0-dev:
[02:07] <gadjo>  libstdc++6-4.0-dev depends on libc6-dev (>= 2.3.5-1ubuntu5); however:
[02:07] <gadjo>   Package libc6-dev is not installed.
[02:07] <Halow> Yikes...
[02:07] <gadjo> dpkg: error processing libstdc++6-4.0-dev (--install):
[02:07] <gadjo>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[02:07] <Halow> !paste |gad
[02:07] <gadjo> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of g++-4.0:
[02:07] <ienorand> !pastebin
[02:07] <gadjo>  g++-4.0 depends on libstdc++6-4.0-dev (= 4.0.3-1ubuntu5); however:
[02:07] <gadjo>   Package libstdc++6-4.0-dev is not configured yet.
[02:07] <gadjo> dpkg: error processing g++-4.0 (--install):
[02:07] <gadjo>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[02:07] <gadjo> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:07] <gadjo>  libstdc++6-4.0-dev
[02:07] <gadjo>  g++-4.0
[02:07] <gadjo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/154405/
[02:08] <macman_> yes i do have it hal
[02:08] <macman_> Halow: *
[02:08]  * Lasivian gets the shovel to move out the spam
[02:08]  * Lasivian gets some hip waders too
[02:08] <Halow> gadjo: When I have more than one .deb to install at a time, it helps to put them together in a folder (with no other debs), and change to that directory and run "sudo dpkg -i *.deb".
[02:09] <Halow> macman_: Hm. Well, maybe shockwave is interfering with it? You can disable the plugin, right?
[02:09] <macman_> yea
[02:09] <macman_> i disabled it Halow and now i get an error when i get to a flash site
[02:10] <Lasivian> wirechief: so what do those three commands you gave me do exactly?
[02:10] <macman_> Halow: im removeing firefox and readding it
[02:10] <Lasivian> hrrm
[02:10] <Halow> macman_: OK. If you're going that route, purging might be best.
[02:10] <Lasivian> macman_: I would try Adobe's flash package first
[02:11] <Strider^> i made some USB sticks from Ubuntu 9.04 RC iso and i get a busybox when i boot them
[02:11] <Lasivian> this feels oddly familiar
[02:11] <macman_> Lasivian: where did you say it was ?
[02:11] <Lasivian> macman_: one sec
[02:11] <wirechief> Halow that doesnt always work well, especially if the depends on one affect the other.
[02:12] <wirechief> Lasivian it should make sure you are completely upto date with 8.10 then you can do the 9.04 upgrade
[02:12] <wirechief> Lasivian lacking that you can have a borked 9.04 right out of the gate
[02:13] <Lasivian> http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/thankyou/?installer=Flash_Player_10_for_Linux_(.deb)
[02:14] <Halow> wirechief: Hm. Well, I'd been told it would handle them in a way to make them handle dependencies as needed. I've not seen it fail, but I know I haven't seen everything.
[02:14] <Lasivian> wirechief: ahh, ok. I know I was on an older kernel, -7
[02:14] <Lasivian> the newer kernels wouldn;t boot correctly
[02:14] <wirechief> Lasivian but myself, I always get the .iso from the daily-build and use it for recovery or whatever if needed (good to have a disk) also the daily build is very close to being a finished final
[02:14] <Lasivian> yeah, my other machine is making a usb install stick as we speak :)
[02:15] <wirechief> Lasivian what relase 9.04 ?
[02:15] <Lasivian> yeah
[02:16] <Lasivian> hrrm, which disc should I snag for installing on a mac mini?
[02:16] <andruk> if I want/need MPX, i can just grab the X server source for jaunty and config it in, right?
[02:16] <wirechief> if you get booted to it i sure would like to know what version of usb-creator  and casper  that you have.. use dpkg -l |grep usb-creator   to find the version
[02:17] <Strider^> damn
[02:17] <Strider^> the RC has a bug, it will not boot from USB
[02:17] <macman_> Lasivian: no good .. didn't work
[02:18] <wirechief> Halow usually you can do that, I have. but just like i tried all the .debs to install the bug fix versions of mesa it didnt work as i thought.
[02:18] <Lasivian> wirechief: oh, i'm using unetbootin on windows
[02:18] <Lasivian> macman_: well poo
[02:18] <Lasivian> teh notebook dumped me to a useless gnome login again
[02:18] <macman_> this isn't good
[02:18] <macman_> i want my flash lol
[02:18] <Strider^> btw why does it take so long to create a USB disk ? it took more than an hour for me
[02:18] <macman_> Lasivian: purging didn't work
[02:18] <Lasivian> macman_: you think YOU got problems, lol
[02:19] <wirechief> Lasivian ok well i tried that too (it dropped me into a initramfs busy box)
[02:19] <macman_> yea .. but i want my flash
[02:19] <macman_> :P
[02:19] <pwnguin> where does the pdf printer store finished jobs?
[02:19] <macman_> pwnguin: where ever you tell it to
[02:19] <Lasivian> Strider^: took about 10 minutes for me
[02:19] <pwnguin> macman_: it didnt ask
[02:19] <macman_> pwnguin: you have to tell it where to save
[02:20] <Halow> I made a USB of xubuntu-alternate just the other day. It took maybe 15 mins, and booted fine.
[02:20] <Lasivian> I think i'll just boot the sucker, I have a backup that was minutes old when I started this :P
[02:20] <ienorand> pwnguin: which one?
[02:20] <macman_> pwnguin: go to file print
[02:20] <pwnguin> ienorand: not entirely sure. whatever firefox finds
[02:20] <Strider^> well it's faster for me to download the iso than create the USB drive
[02:20] <ienorand> pwnguin: normally ~/ or ~/ODF
[02:20] <macman_> click on print to file .. type your name and do you save location and click pdf for the output and click print
[02:20] <ienorand> s/ODF/PDF
[02:21] <Strider^> so i'll rewrite the syslinux directory with the one from the dailyb build instead
[02:21] <pwnguin> macman_: i have 3 options. 1) print to file, 2) deskjet blah blah 3) PDF
[02:22] <ienorand> Strider^: busted usbdisk?
[02:22] <Lasivian> I like the new "KITT" loding screen
[02:22] <pwnguin> macman_: after that i just get a dialog
[02:22] <ienorand> pwnguin: print to file normally dumps in home folder
[02:22] <Strider^> ienorand,  yeah
[02:22] <pwnguin> ienorand: as a .ps =(
[02:23] <Lasivian> I was shocked, I destroyed a usb stick the other day
[02:23] <Lasivian> I unplugged it by accident while I was formatting ntfs, totally screwed it
[02:23] <ienorand> pwnguin: and you can't set that to pdf?
[02:24] <histo> okay I can see a difference with ext4
[02:24] <pwnguin> ienorand: ah. neat. it didnt always have that
[02:24] <histo> unless i'm going crazy
[02:24] <ienorand> pwnguin: thats
[02:25] <Lasivian> ooh, I think i'll just wait and download the netbook remix
[02:25] <Lasivian> wish I had seen that first
[02:25] <Picklesworth> err, is Pidgin normally so unstable? I just hopped back to Empathy but I miss its nice buddy list :(
[02:26] <ienorand> pwnguin: sorry, that's from the cups-pdf package... All works?
[02:27] <pwnguin> ienorand: yep.
[02:27] <pwnguin> still makes me wonder what's wrong with the pdf printer
[02:27] <belred> i have 2 installs of ubuntu 9.04.  in both i didn't change the repository settings.  one includes all deb-src lines uncommented in sources.list.  the other doesn't have any deb-src lines.  in both cases, the synaptic>settings>repositories>ubuntu software wont let me toggle source code on or off.  i don't understand how this happned
[02:28] <_chun> I'm having a problem in jaunty: the new onscreen notifications don't seem to play too well with fullscreen apps (like vlc) -- every notification causes the desktop to flicker on and off, which gets pretty annoying. is there any way to change that behaviour? (pretty new to ubuntu/linux so apologies if I'm slow)
[02:28] <pwnguin> ienorand: actually, cups-pdf isn't installed
[02:30] <badfish69> _chun: turn off visual effects?
[02:30] <belred> how can i toggle the source code option?
[02:31] <Strider^> _chun, you have an nvidia card ?
[02:31] <andruk> you know, if you have to turn off visual effects to get things working, then the things that wont work with visual effects turned on are either closed source, broken, or both...
[02:31] <_chun> Strider^: yep, 8600gt
[02:31] <pwnguin> ienorand: it must have been uninstalled at some point and left the pdf printer settings around
[02:31] <pwnguin> ienorand: thanks for the tips
[02:31] <Lasivian> where are the files stored that determine how your gnome panels are laid out?
[02:31]  * andruk glares at Mathematica
[02:32] <Strider^> i think it's a problem with the current driver in jaunty, hope this will get fixed soon
[02:32] <dereck> hey guys, I chose to enable encrypted home directories. HOw can I safely change my password, makeing sure that it updates my wrapped passphrase?
[02:32] <ienorand> pwnguin: I am not sure, but at least for me I had to install that to get pdf printing...
[02:33] <pwnguin> ienorand: this is a very old ubuntu install. all sorts of random things go off course
[02:36] <belred> wow, i just figured it out... maybe a bug? i switched from the US server to the main server and i was able toggle the source code on/off
[02:44] <gundam_rx78nt1> Have there been any fix for the network manager in jaunty that doesn't permit wireless connections to wpa-eap?
[02:47] <Omen_20> jaunty is going to have native support for PPC right?
[02:47] <gundam_rx78nt1> Have there been any fix for the network manager in jaunty that doesn't permit wireless connections to wpa-eap?
[02:48] <badfish69> i think the release date should be in /topic
[02:53] <cwillu> Lasivian, gconf-editor -> apps -> gnome-panel will show you
[02:54] <Lasivian> cwillu: i'm pulling off a backup unfortunately
[02:58] <Frijolie> hey all
[02:58] <Frijolie> i'm having performance issues with my lappy
[02:59] <Frijolie> things are taking a long time to register---you type something in a terminal and it's 5+ seconds before it's displayed
[02:59] <wirechief> cwillu so far no crashes (only when i tested the script and i posted the freeze_dump.txt )
[03:02] <Frijolie> any ideas?
[03:02] <wirechief> Frijolie what does htop show?
[03:02] <ienorand> wirechief: it's an intel btw :/
[03:03] <Frijolie> hehe, yeah it's Intel
[03:03] <Frijolie> I'm installing htop now
[03:03] <wirechief> well intel has been blacklisted
[03:03] <Frijolie> so I'm lucky to have any type of display at all?
[03:03] <wirechief> intel problems shouldnt be happening now.
[03:03] <drinkycrow> help
[03:03] <drinkycrow> theres a heart in my firefox
[03:04] <Frijolie> my compiz did recently kill on me
[03:04] <wirechief> i have the problem but the blacklisting is keeping me from freezing
[03:04] <ienorand> drinkycrow: Is it all yucky and sticky?
[03:04] <Frijolie> yeah and my computer also has been freezing at random times requiring a power off
[03:04] <ienorand> drinkycrow: :) ... Heart?
[03:04] <badfish69> it's horrible
[03:05] <badfish69> yeah
[03:05] <badfish69> for adding to bookmarks
[03:05] <wirechief> Frijolie well i would disable compiz and see if it stops
[03:05] <Frijolie> i've restored compiz back to working order..
[03:05] <badfish69> what a terrible icon
[03:05] <Frijolie> why was Intel blacklisted again?
[03:05] <ienorand> badfish69: What, is it changed?
[03:06] <wirechief> Firjolie because of freezes
[03:06] <badfish69> the heart icon for adding a bookmark in firefox on jaunty
[03:06] <badfish69> it's awful
[03:06] <badfish69> it makes me feel like less of a man just using it
[03:06] <ienorand> badfish69: That normally is a star?
[03:06] <Frijolie> wirechief, it was working fine in Intrepid
[03:07] <wirechief> have disabled compiz with sudo chmod a-x /usr/bin/compiz  while the
[03:07] <wirechief> freeze was occuring ..
[03:07] <badfish69> idk
[03:07] <badfish69> i don't even see it in intrepid
[03:07] <Frijolie> Is this Jaunty or Intel problem?
[03:07] <wirechief> Frijolie: mesa
[03:07] <wirechief> mesa 7.4
[03:07] <Frijolie> mesa = drivers, right?
[03:08] <wirechief> bug 359051
[03:08] <Frijolie> this supposed to be fixed before final release?
[03:08] <wirechief> Frijolie: yes well there are several packages involved see the bug
[03:09] <wirechief> Frijolie: they are working on it. but in the mean time intel has been blacklisted.
[03:09] <Frijolie> ok, so this would have happened to me if I would have stuck with Intrepid then.
[03:09] <Frijolie> I guess it's just coincidence because I upgraded about the same time ~April 3rd
[03:10] <wirechief> Frijolie: probably not. you had mesa 7.3 or so
[03:10] <wirechief> Frijolie: you can always check your /var/log/dpkg.log   for  mesa and see when and what got installed
[03:11] <ienorand> wirechief: Would the intel driver downgrade help in this case?
[03:11] <wirechief> Frijolie: just  do cat /var/log/dpkg.log |grep mesa
[03:12] <wirechief> ienorand: well that was the first thing they did was have intel users downgrade mesa to 7.3
[03:12] <starcannon> wirechief can you confirm that downgrading mesa to 7.3 solves the freezes?
[03:12] <Venko> Hey, I just turned on my machine to find out that Compiz has stopped working (trying to enable it throws "Desktop effects could not be enabled"). It was working fine until now
[03:12] <wirechief> ienorand:  but newly updated 9.04 intel is being blacklisted
[03:12] <Frijolie> wirechief, 2009-04-05 04:09:56 install libgl1-mesa-glx <none> 7.3-1ubuntu3
[03:12] <wirechief> starcannon: yes. it stopped happening for me
[03:13] <starcannon> wirechief nice thanks for that
[03:13] <wirechief> check out the bug url for details
[03:13] <Frijolie> wirechief, 2009-04-05 04:31:43 upgrade mesa-utils 7.3-1ubuntu3 7.4-0ubuntu1
[03:13] <wirechief> bug 359051
[03:14] <Frijolie> so it was "upgraded" on the 5th
[03:14] <starcannon> wirechief yeah just did, Andres Mujica was even nice enough to link to the mesa  .debs required to downgrade mesa
[03:14] <wirechief> starcannon: yes they are all listed in the bug report ;)
[03:15] <wirechief> there are lots of intel945 users that are affected but the blacklisting helps keep them from freezing, its just the ones that want to use compiz and dont understand why it doesnt work
[03:16] <gundam_rx78nt1> Have there been any fix for the network manager in jaunty that doesn't permit wireless connections to wpa-eap?
[03:16] <Venko> wirechief: I use intel graphics. My Compiz stopped working today - what's the fix you're discussing?
[03:17] <gundam_rx78nt1> I can connect with no problems to a wpa-psk
[03:17] <wirechief> Venko read the bug url
[03:17] <wirechief> https://launchpad.net/bugs/359392
[03:18] <Frijolie> also, I've noticed that the update applet never shows that there's packages available for update
[03:18] <Frijolie> software update orange star lookin' thing never appears
[03:18] <wirechief> Frijolie: yes well there is a solution to that in the upgrade notes for jaunty
[03:18] <Frijolie> but as soon as I check via terminal theres a bunch
[03:19] <Frijolie> when I said "upgrade", I meant I did a fresh install--reformatted my hard drive
[03:19] <wirechief> Frijolie:  i use apt-get  to get my stuff.
[03:19] <Halow> Frijolie: bug #332945
[03:19] <Frijolie> also when I update via terminal and a reboot is required i also don't get that icon in the notification bar
[03:20] <Frijolie> is that related?
[03:20] <clearscreen> Uhm... apparently my ext3 partitions have misteriously turned into ext4 (I assure you: I have not converted or formatted them myself), and at boot grub now complains that ext4 format is not supported
[03:20] <clearscreen> What's going on?! I didnt do anything! :(
[03:20] <Halow> Frijolie: Yeah.
[03:20]  * wirechief well i gotta go , train is here have fun
[03:20] <Frijolie> Halow, alright I'll check out that article Halow
[03:20] <Frijolie> thanks wirechief
[03:21] <Solidus_> wow, holy crap.  tethering my blackjack for use as a modem was instamagic in jaunty!  i could never get it even to work before in previous versions
[03:23] <Frijolie> Solidus_, wish I could say the same for my BlackBerry
[03:23] <Solidus_> it just said basically "phone detected" and asked what phone provider.  i said AT&T and i'm on the internet.
[03:25]  * Skapare is back
[03:25] <Skapare> wirechief: I looked more at that Kanotix stuff.  Looks like they are using 2 filesystems, ISO plus another.  There is some description on how to do it, but it's not complete that I can see.  Mine has a script to do it for you (still needs work to have a better user interface)
[03:26] <Lasivian> well crap... I get "Could not find kernel image: linux"
[03:29] <Venko> I've installed those packages and restarted my session. I still can't get Compiz to work and it was working fine until I turned on my machine today.
[03:30] <Venko> When I try to enable it is says searching for drivers and then says the desktop effects could not be enabled
[03:39]  * Lasivian tries making the usb stick again
[03:42] <badfish69> are there as many themes on the desktop version as on the unr?
[03:43] <badfish69> i really like some of the new ones
[03:50] <cwillu> badfish69, gnome-themes is where they come from afaik
[03:51] <cwillu> badfish69, which isn't installed in ubuntu by default, but it's simple to install
[03:56] <mikegriffin> so i have seen firefox go grey a few times, thinking it was flash causing it i did some troubleshooting. recently i saw mythfrontend do the same thing. is this an ubuntu thing or a gnome thing or what?
[03:57] <Halow> mikegriffin: That's a GNOME thing, as far as I'm aware. They do it when things "stop responding" and if you try to close them it will give you the option to force quit them.
[03:58] <mikegriffin> interesting. probably is still flash related
[03:59] <mikegriffin> it was very similar to the windows you must confirm go grey thing
[03:59] <Halow> I find flash makes it happen to Firefox often. Sometimes Java as well.
[04:00] <mikegriffin> i actually was watching hulu, interestingly enough i thought right click => flash settings => bump cache would help but the settings option was dimmed
[04:00] <mikegriffin> i have yet to retry
[04:01] <cwillu> mikegriffin, it only goes grey if the process hasn't responded to the window manager in 'x' seconds, which generally means it isn't responding to the mouse or keyboard either
[04:01] <mikegriffin> well i mean after i was in charge again
[04:01] <cwillu> oh, in the flash
[04:01] <cwillu> yes, a script has the ability to disable things in that menu
[04:02] <cwillu> I think there's an adobe website address that'll talk to the flash player to allow you to set the defaults
[04:02] <mikegriffin> yea, tried it. only lets you set per site cache settings afaict
[04:03] <mikegriffin> i think i might try removing the .deb that downloads the tgz from adobe.com and install it manually
[04:03] <cwillu> mikegriffin, that won't fix anything
[04:03] <mikegriffin> i had never even seen said deb before actually
[04:03] <mikegriffin> i wasnt sure if it depends on the latest version of flash or a hardcoded one, in other words i was going to try an upgrade
[04:04] <cwillu> mikegriffin, http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[04:05] <cwillu> if the version reported in the box is the same as the version in the table for linux (<IP_ADDRESS>), you have the latest version
[04:08] <mikegriffin> while on the topic, are the 'other two' functional/stable?
[04:09] <cwillu> other two?
[04:09] <mikegriffin> when you hit a flash site with no plugin, you are presented with flash-nonfree (adobe) gnash and something else iirc
[04:10] <cwillu> gnash is where wine was 4-5 years ago
[04:10] <cwillu> useful for somethings, glitchy but usable for others, completely broken for most :p
[04:10] <mikegriffin> ouch
[04:10] <cwillu> works for youtube though
[04:11] <mikegriffin> you ever have a problem where the audio just crashes suddenly and you close the browser and then have to issue a kill since the sound doesnt actually stop?
[04:12] <mikegriffin> i have seen it on my workstation and box at home (listening to pandora)
[04:15] <pwnguin> did i miss the ubuntu free culture showcase announcement?
[04:22]  * Milos_SD-aWay is Away, Reason: ( Spavam!!! ) | Since: ( Sunday, April 19, 2009. 21:25:36 ) Xlack v2.1
[04:27] <cwillu> !away > Milos_SD-aWay
[04:31] <mase_work> hey guys, where is the suspend resume script ?
[04:32] <mase_work> nm found it
[04:36] <mikegriffin> thanks cwillu i will ask #gnome my remaining questions
[04:45] <Brandie> I need some help, I'm on a laptop with 20 mins of battery life left. and my main pc is not booting. I keep getting "Aborted because bad gzip magic numbers" And "VFS unable to mount root to FS
[04:47] <cky> Brandie: Sounds like your initramfs is corrupted. You need to boot with your Ubuntu CD, and pick "rescue".
[04:48] <cky> Beyond that, I can't remember the procedure, because I'm more used to fixing the system from the command-line (update-initramfs -u)
[05:05] <duncan_nz> Is it a known problem that paths with links in don't work the same as normal paths?
[05:06] <duncan_nz> Several apps including Rhythm won't work with file at ~/Music which is actuall at /dev/media/sda2/privat/m/music...
[05:10] <[MindVirus]> What's going on with the Intel graphics drivers?
[05:10] <mase_work> they fscked :)
[05:10] <mase_work> they're rather
[05:11] <[MindVirus]> I know.
[05:11] <[MindVirus]> Any progress?
[05:11] <Brandie> Can somone help me fix my problem with ubuntu not booting please?...
[05:11] <shiznebit> so all the hype about UXA was pointless ?
[05:11] <Brandie> "bad gzip magic number error?"
[05:12] <Brandie> I'm on the Live cd at the moment. But I dunno what to do now...
[05:12] <vigo> Brandie: fix or repair grub or update grub. I would have to look,
[05:12] <Brandie> Yea, I figured It was to do with grub
[05:12] <Brandie> but How do I do that? ._.
[05:13] <vigo> Brandie: looking now, could be a bad loader, i.e. bad download or broken one, still looking
[05:14] <Brandie> well it was working, but I uh... download this thing to customize grub from the add/remove
[05:14] <Brandie> and now grub doesnt work! =D
[05:15] <alex_mayorga1> Brandie: supergrub
[05:15] <Brandie> hmm?
[05:15] <vigo> Brandie: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351&highlight=fix+grub
[05:16] <Brandie> follow that guide?
[05:17] <Brandie> okay
[05:17] <Brandie> hope this worked...
[05:21] <vigo> Brandie: That might be the fix that you are looking for, I just tapped the forums and saw that.
[05:21] <tywashere> Thank you SOO MUCH
[05:21] <tywashere> It worked. Thank you.....!
[05:21] <tywashere> I love you guys <3 I don't know what I would do without you...
[05:22] <vigo> Buy us cookies
[05:22] <Level1> hi, when I run the ubiquity installer, it stops between the keyboard layout screen and the partition manager screen
[05:22] <tywashere> how long have you tried waiting?
[05:22] <Skapare> mmmm ... chocolate chip cookies
[05:22] <tywashere> It takes a LOT of time to load... haha
[05:22] <Level1> tywashere: maybe a minute.  But the progress bar disappears
[05:23] <tywashere> okay
[05:23] <Level1> I'll try waiting longer
[05:23] <tywashere> try just leaving it for a while
[05:23] <tywashere> I have to wait upwords of 5 minutes for it to load
[05:23] <tywashere> and I'm on a quad core ;)
[05:24] <tywashere> okay, heres one for you guys, My volume controller. Resets when I restart
[05:24] <Level1> well, its nothing to do with processor speed and everything to do with the way the linux kernel interacts with the disks.  So if your disks are complicated, you can have the fastest processor in the world, it won't matter
[05:24] <tywashere> the "Mixer tracks" IVe got
[05:24] <tywashere> Well, Cd's arent exactly the fastest media to read from =P
[05:24] <Skapare> cpu speed is generally not going to make it faster ... installers get slow when there is more stuff to check, like drivers for devices and things
[05:25] <tywashere> fair enough
[05:25] <Skapare> a DVD could do faster than CD ... high end SD cards and USB keys can be even faster (not the cheap ones)
[05:25] <tywashere> can you boot a uh "Live cd" from a usb disc :P?
[05:25] <tywashere> If you catch mah drift...
[05:25] <Skapare> you can burn your CD-size ISO on DVD if you want (and have a burner for)
[05:26] <Skapare> only if the image is made for usb (hard drive) booting
[05:26] <tywashere> You know what i mean =D
[05:26] <Skapare> usb cd/dvd drive will work with ISO ... can your BIOS boot from USB cd/dvd ... some can't
[05:26] <tywashere> so, To my previos question. Why does my volume wheel reset what it controlls all the time?
[05:27] <Skapare> you mean USB flash key, SD memory card (usually attached via USB), or a USB external hard drive ... those cannot be boot from if written with an ordinary ISO image and no special software
[05:27] <tywashere> It might have to do with the fact I have 3 sound cards ;)
[05:28] <vigo> tywashere: Uhm, yes, it could
[05:28] <Level1> Partman failed with exit code 141. Further information may be found in /var/log/syslog. Do you want to try running this step again before continuing? If you do not, your installation may fail entirely or may be broken.
[05:28] <tywashere> click yes
[05:28] <Skapare> there are ways to make a bootable USB hard drive or key ... unetbootin is one ... and I have a program I wrote today that turns an ISO into an ISO that can be boot up from a hard drive
[05:28] <tywashere> YES
[05:28] <Level1> I have some ntfs disks that are in a very broken state
[05:28] <Level1> I thought partman would just ignore them
[05:28] <tywashere> Reformat them?
[05:28] <felixsulla> Is this new version of Ubuntu coming out soon going to be packaged by default with Open Office 3 adn Firefox 3?
[05:29] <Level1> Well, I'd like to at least try to recover the data on them, just not right now
[05:29] <tywashere> I know they are available as updates.
[05:29] <Skapare> felixsulla: try the beta and see
[05:29] <Skapare> or is that rc now
[05:29] <tywashere> They arent in the beta
[05:30] <tywashere> they are released as updates as far as I know...
[05:30]  * Skapare considers beta == rc ... but knows others treat them different somehow
[05:30] <felixsulla> Bah.
[05:30] <shiznebit> oh wow, we are at RC
[05:30] <rlaager> felixsulla: Jaunty has OpenOffice 3 and Firefox 3, yes.
[05:31] <tywashere> but vigo I use my SB audigy for sound, and line-in input... and my onboard for microphone and recording. But the third one is the one on my ATI hd4850...
[05:31] <felixsulla> rlaager: You mean to say someone on IRC was pulling my leg..
[05:32] <vigo> tywashere: I disabled my Onboard Intel thing and just went with an ATI/Radeon, much less confusion on the system.
[05:33] <tywashere> How am I suposed to even use the sound on my ati card ffs? D=
[05:33] <vigo> You have a PCI card?
[05:33] <tywashere> YEa
[05:34] <tywashere> SB audigy.
[05:34] <tywashere> But my sb audigy, It's mic port doesnt work in ubuntu!
[05:34] <vigo> That should be enough or more to run just about anything.
[05:34] <tywashere> so I use the azalia one... wich is louder
[05:35] <tywashere> pluss I need t ohave my ps3 and 360 ont he line-in soI can hear them through my favorite headphones.
[05:35] <vigo> I run my Sound Out to a home Receiver/AMP, have done that since win9x
[05:36] <tywashere> haha
[05:36] <tywashere> it all works man, It's just that On start-up it switches my sound cards around xD!
[05:37] <vigo> Actually takes a lot of load off the CPU and other stuff. plus I can Rock the Casbah! block party style.
[05:39] <uda> anyone able to help me with nvidia twinview losing one of my monitors?
[05:40] <DanaG> hah: http://www.wincustomize.com/skins.aspx?skinid=6655&libid=1&p=8
[05:41] <DanaG> My laptops have all had PCI-based sd card readers, not USB-based.
[05:48] <Moc> Freaking VLC is annoying in 9.010
[05:50] <xangua> Moc: what is annoying of VLC ¿
[05:52] <Level1> why doesn't ubuntu make it easy to mount ntfs without jumping through hoops?
[05:52] <Level1> I thought this was fixed a long time ago
[06:01] <mase_work> Level1: what do you mean jumping through hoops ?
[06:02] <Level1> well, when I click on the disk in dolphin, I get a little pink error massage to the effect of, there was some problem mounting the disk.  I tihnk it has something to do with root permissions.  The disks mount without hassle from the command line; why can't dolphin do it?
[06:06] <cb_> Hello, I just downloaded ubuntu9.04 i run 8.04 and i wanna do a clean install. When i boot up the ubuntu9.04 and try to install with no acpi and other options off and get a blank screen once i actualy hit the INstall button? Any ideas? Toshiba sat a70
[06:08] <cb_> Hello, I just downloaded ubuntu9.04 i run 8.04 and i wanna do a clean install. When i boot up the ubuntu9.04 and try to install with no acpi and other options off and get a blank screen once i actualy hit the INstall button? Any ideas? Toshiba sat a70
[06:09] <cb_> Hello, I just downloaded ubuntu9.04 i run 8.04 and i wanna do a clean install. When i boot up the ubuntu9.04 and try to install with no acpi and other options off and get a blank screen once i actualy hit the INstall button? Any ideas? Toshiba sat a70
[06:10] <daftykins> don't keep repeating.
[06:10] <Skapare> we can hear you, please don't repeat ... at least not so often
[06:10] <mase_work> if people can help they will
[06:10] <cb_> :>
[06:26] <paul68> I have a question concerning the creative labs XF1 sound cards is there a better support in the new release for this type of card or is it still the same as in 8.10?
[06:26] <Arodon> hey, I'm having problems with fairly regular soft-lockups on Jaunty, but don't know what's causing it (just a vague suspicion that it might be my Intel graphics). Where should I be looking to try to pinpoint the problem, or at least the subsystem at fault? and/or what should I file the bug under if I can't find any clues?
[06:27] <mase_work> Arodon: are you using UXA ?
[06:29] <Arodon> mase_work: no, it's EXA. I'm running without an xorg.conf
[06:29] <mase_work> k
[06:30] <nowannemo> hey guys... have had jaunty installed for a while already, wondering if you guys had any optimal .fonts.conf settings for lcd... seeing lots of stuff online, but i dont know how outdated they might be
[06:39] <macvr> hi all ... i had a few crashes... my x keeps restarting where do i check for the roors?
[06:41] <macvr> errors?
[07:01] <dotblank> can I upgrade 8.10 right now to 9.04?
[07:05] <ninadsp> dotblank: yes... please check out the download page on ubuntu.com for instruction on how to upgrade...
[07:06] <ninadsp> dotblank: don't forget to read the entire page... especially if you have conflicting hardware... :)
[07:06] <dotblank> well I just did update-manager -d
[07:06] <dotblank> and it looks like it says it will take 20 mins
[07:07] <ninadsp> dotblank: yes that is all that you need to do... hmmm.. that will be just updating the file lists...
[07:07] <dotblank> I get 1.5mb/s down from my mirror
[07:07] <ninadsp> once the file list is downloaded, all the packages will be downloaded.. after which it spends upto 2 hours to install/upgrade/remove packages...
[07:07] <ninadsp> depending on your h/w ofcourse.. :)
[07:08] <dotblank> :(
[07:08] <dotblank> actually its going at 1.7 now
[07:08] <ninadsp> dotblank: lucky you.. i got speeds of anything between a few bytes per second to 50 kbps...
[07:08] <ninadsp> :(
[07:08] <dotblank> I love fiber
[07:09] <ninadsp> dotblank: i too get fiber.. but thats only the lan... i am on a shared network at a college... :)
[07:09] <dotblank> ninadsp: Have you tried selecting best mirror?
[07:09] <dotblank> ouch
[07:09] <ninadsp> dotblank: i used the closest one.. which i always use for other updates as well...
[07:09] <dotblank> you should get your college to have a mirror
[07:09] <ninadsp> but that isnt the bottleneck.. :)
[07:10] <ninadsp> dotblank: we do have a cacher at our college... but that has the packages for 8.10... not 9.04.. i am the guy who experiments most with ubuntu on our campus.. :)
[07:10] <ninadsp> so i normally am the first guy to play with the newer versions..
[07:10] <dotblank> when will you cache 9.04? release day?
[07:11] <ninadsp> later i guess... the iso will be downloaded in a day or so after the release...
[07:11] <dotblank> cause on release day all mirrors are going to get hit hard
[07:11] <ninadsp> but packages will take time...
[07:11] <ninadsp> yeah... they always do.. though i am not sure if our cacher is available to anyone outside our subnet...
[07:12] <ninadsp> a very silly configuration... to be honest...
[07:12] <dotblank> im going to have to run a cacher cause of my 20+ ubuntu VMs
[07:12] <cajun> I'm up-to-date. At the beginning of last week, I had a kernel error that kept my laptop from recovering from standby. After that, no drives will mount except for root.  Does anyone have an idea how I can fix this?
[07:13] <ninadsp> dotblank: hmm... or u could just copy the entire /var/cache/apt/archives.. :)
[07:13] <ninadsp> cajun: i beleive u must have done a fsck on all the partitions?
[07:13] <dotblank> its in vms, doing that manually would take for ever
[07:14] <ninadsp> dotblank: never used vm's too much.. u'd know better.. :)
[07:14] <dotblank> wow 50% done
[07:14] <cajun> nina: no I haven't. can I do that while I'm logged in and running other apps? or is that the system check after so many root mounts?
[07:15] <ninadsp> cajun: a fsck has to be performed when the drive is unmounted.. so if ur home is on the root partition, you could give it a try...
[07:15] <cajun> it worked fine prior to that error.
[07:15] <cajun> just run fsck?
[07:15] <ninadsp> cajun: unless absolutely necessary, i'd recommend a reboot and use teh recvery mode to fsck
[07:15] <dotblank> I really fsck my drive while mounted... bad move
[07:15] <SJr> The SHIFT key is being ignored in all qt based applications, any ideas
[07:15] <cajun> ok
[07:15] <ninadsp> cajun: pls check the man page for fsck for more info... :)
[07:15] <cajun> ok thanks
[07:16] <ninadsp> dotblank: how did u do that? afaik, fsck gives an error and exits when asked to check a mounted drive
[07:16] <SJr> weird unplugging my keyboard and replugging it in fixed it
[07:17] <dotblank> ninadsp: I was dump and on gentoo and i did a force
[07:17] <dotblank> dumb*
[07:17] <dotblank> ninadsp: Soo much time lost spent configuring gentoo
[07:18] <ninadsp> dotblank: never been down that path.. been happy with ubuntu for almost 2 yrs... tried fedora once... but came back to ubuntu... :)
[07:18] <binvij> hi-I am getting the error "desktop effects could not be enabled" in ubuntu 9.04. Initially the desktop affects worked, i did some patching yesterday and this seems to break it
[07:20] <ninadsp> dotblank: gtg.. c ya l8r! :)
[07:20] <dotblank> hmm
[07:20] <dotblank> can you paste glxinfo?
[07:21] <binvij> its a huge output
[07:22] <hifi> binvij: pastebin
[07:22] <Z3ro3X> I upgraded to 9.04 and converted / and /home from ext3 to ext4.  Everything went with out any problems.  Now how do I defrag my data so that every thing is completely up to date?
[07:22] <dotblank> do glxinfo > textfile.txt
[07:22] <hifi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[07:22] <dotblank> then open the text file
[07:24] <binvij> http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=d705a6a47
[07:25] <dotblank> the best method is this "glxinfo > /tmp/glx.txt && gedit /tmp/glx.txt&"
[07:25] <dotblank> I hate sgi...
[07:26] <binvij> you should be able to download the txt file with glxinfo from the above link
[07:26] <dotblank> just did
[07:27] <dotblank> binvij: can you do lspci | grep VGA
[07:27] <binvij> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[07:28] <binvij> this was working initially
[07:28] <dotblank> I don't think you have the intel drivers installed
[07:28] <binvij> ohh
[07:28] <dotblank> or you are not using them
[07:28] <binvij> how to go about it ?
[07:28] <dotblank> well you should be able to click hardare drivers and activate i
[07:28] <dotblank> it
[07:29] <binvij> its not in the list
[07:29] <dotblank> hmm
[07:39] <vart_> it seems to me I read something about disabling GM965 drivers due to some bug causing crash - you need to look for the bug desription and probably wait for the fix...
[07:40] <binvij> this has been reported before http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1130135
[07:41] <cb_> Hello i am installing Ubuntu9.04 currently have 8.04 dual booting with windowsxp, I dont want xp anymore so i wanna do a clean install of 9.04, I have both DVD's but once i get to step 3 on both of configuring the keyboard layout and hit ok, It says it loading partion manager and never does anything else. Has anyone seen this problem?
[07:41] <Noq> Request: I need somenoe that caan help me for a sec with a part of installing the Ubuntu NetBook Remix.
[07:43] <AK_Dave> cb: that could be a bad dvd.
[07:44] <AK_Dave> Noq: 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-netbook-remix' usually does the trick.
[07:44] <cb_> AK_Dave 2 bad dvd's?
[07:44] <cb_> i have the alternite also
[07:45] <AK_Dave> cb: you burned them yourself?
[07:45] <Noq> AK_Dave: I'm on XP
[07:45] <cb_> AK_Dave yes
[07:45] <cb_> httpdss://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-916637.html
[07:45] <vart_> cb_: maybe you should try to run gparted before install and repartition your drive outside it?
[07:45] <AK_Dave> cb: Then yes, you could have as many bad dvds as you mis-burned.
[07:46] <cb_> AK_Dave i dont tend to have bad burns
[07:46] <cb_> my lacie roxs
[07:46] <cb_> passed disk test fyu
[07:46] <AK_Dave> cb: but vart is right, use gparted to set up your partitions and THEN run the installer. I prefer gparted livecd for this.
[07:46] <Noq> AK_Dave: I'm stuck at using the program Flaashnul to write the .img to my usb. So Ican use that usb to install ubuntu 9.04 on this netbook.
[07:46] <AK_Dave> cb: slowest possible burn speed?
[07:46] <cb_> safest yes
[07:47] <AK_Dave> cb: Thats not what I said. I didn't say "safest" I said "slowest". What did you use to burn them?
[07:47] <cb_> ok i guess i could remove my os and hope it works
[07:47] <cb_> 4x
[07:47] <AK_Dave> Noq: I don't do Windows support.
[07:47] <cb_> someone had this problem in 8.10
[07:47] <cb_> httpdss://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-916637.html
[07:47] <AK_Dave> Noq: I really just don't know how to write a .img using Windows.
[07:48] <httpdss> hehe got you! cb_ ;) ...
[07:48] <Noq> Hopefully this question can be related to this #: If Igot 8.04 installed, can I already use the update manager to go to RC 9.04? Or do I need to wait till thursday?
[07:49] <AK_Dave> cb: I have had my best luck with linux installs by booting a gparted or knoppix CD, doing all my partition management ahead of time, and then rebooting with the ubuntu installer.
[07:49] <AK_Dave> Noq: You should go through Intrepid first.
[07:49] <cb_> AK_Dave i want to use the encryption option in 9.04
[07:49] <cb_> dont really wanna partion twice
[07:49] <AK_Dave> Noq: You should do ALL of the available Hardy updates, do 'update-manager -d' to get to Intrepid. Do all the upgrades there. Repeat, and you should (with some luck) be at Jaunty.
[07:50] <AK_Dave> cb: The encrypted /home has nothing to do with partitioning. It encrypts folders, not partitions, even if your /home is a seperate partition.
[07:50] <SandGorgon> Noq: i suggest you do a clean install - ubuntu aint arch
[07:50] <cb_> AK_Dave i want FULL DISK encryption
[07:50] <cb_> not just home
[07:51] <AK_Dave> cb: Again, that has nothing to do with partitioning.
[07:51] <cb_> really?
[07:51] <cb_> cause i think it does
[07:51] <AK_Dave> cb: really.
[07:51] <Noq> AK_Dave: You mean by inteprid, 8.10?
[07:52] <vart_> Noq: you could try http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ - i used it on linux susesfully, it has a version for win
[07:52] <cb_> you telling me dm-crypt doesnt encrypt a partion sir?
[07:52] <AK_Dave> cb: You establish all of  your partitions. Think of them as big warehouses. Now you want ext4 or xfs or reiserfs. Thats like painting the warehouse. gparted builds your walls, and does some basic interior work, but encryption is the interior build-out.
[07:52] <Noq> vart_ I was just about to ask. But I like to have someone that has already done this.
[07:52] <AK_Dave> cb: I'm telling you dm-crypt doesn't partition your drive!!
[07:52] <cb_> aware
[07:53] <AK_Dave> Noq: Intrepid is 8.10, yes.
[07:53] <AK_Dave> cb: If dm-crypt doesn't partition your drive, then it has NOTHING to do with partitioning.
[07:53] <AK_Dave> cb: Why do you think you need full disc encryption?
[07:54] <cb_> AK_Dave :>
[07:55] <cb_> without full disk encryption someone can mount and alter /boot
[07:55] <AK_Dave> cb: You can't encrypt /boot
[07:55] <AK_Dave> cb: try again.
[07:55] <cb_> err srry your right
[07:55] <AK_Dave> cb: I think you should do a lot more homework before you encrypt anything.
[07:56] <cb_> windows was fully encrypted heh
[07:56] <Noq> Anyone got a approx. time how long it will take to update to 9.04? (from 8.10)
[07:56] <topyli> i have no idea why i should encrypt a system. data, sure
[07:56] <AK_Dave> cb: Do you want to hide your warez from the cops? Gee, won't they figure out something is up when your 500gb drive has a 100mb partition on it and claims everything else is empty?
[07:56] <vart_> Noq: depends on you bwd if you download packages from inet
[07:57] <AK_Dave> Noq: Right now, with no mirrors to speak of, and huge demand, you're probably talking "hours".
[07:57] <cb_> AK_DAVE you cant tell free space from encrypted data as everything is over written
[07:57] <cb_> try again
[07:57] <AK_Dave> cb: HAH! I pull your drive, I read the label, I google it, and its supposed to be a 500gb drive. You lose!
[07:58] <AK_Dave> cb: Then I look at the partition table that I can see, and all I see is a 100mb /boot partition. I say "linux" and "encrypted".  Once. Please.
[08:00] <cb_> with an encrypted laptop? sure
[08:00] <topyli> maybe you should move this to pm or #ubuntu-offtopic. i don't think this is a jaunty problem or any sort of ubuntu problem
[08:00] <cb_> might mail my drives
[08:00] <AK_Dave> cb: They'd love to have your encrypted laptop at the border, pal. Its been done. You'd lose.
[08:00] <cb_> cracking AES?
[08:01] <cb_> good luck sir
[08:01] <AK_Dave> cb: irrelevant
[08:01] <cb_> dumping your memory maybe
[08:01] <AK_Dave> cb: border cops don't need to crack it.  Its happened before.
[08:03] <fakeer> removed NM, installed WICD. none worked and now can't install anything neither NM nor WICD. I'm stuck without internet in Jaunty. Any way to reinstall NM with Beta or RC LiveCD . (can't connect to internet at all )
[08:03] <AK_Dave> cb: bottom line is this, since you don't seem to understand. Jaunty's encryption on install is an encrypted /home IF you enable it. But it isn't enabled by default. It isn't full disc. You can get full disc with extra effort and the alternate disc, but full disc isn't 100% of the disc and law enforcement doesn't need to crack your encryption to put you away.
[08:04] <topyli> fakeer: no ethernet?
[08:04] <cb_> AK_Dave i have the full disc howto infront of me
[08:05] <vart_> fakeer: have you tried to add cd as a repository?
[08:05] <AK_Dave> cb: Good. Then go for it.
[08:05] <Noq> Anyone can help me with writing the .img file to an usb? (I'm using Windows)
[08:05] <cb_> AK_Dave : http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-9834495-38.html
[08:05] <cb_> first hit in google
[08:06] <AK_Dave> cb: Thats an ancient article, its an opinion, and it is not supported by US case law. In other words, the author is wrong. Dead wrong. Anyone who follows either Wired or Slashdot could tell you.
[08:07] <cb_> i read both
[08:07] <lanoxx> is there anyone here who bothers about bug #332945
[08:07] <cb_> daily
[08:07] <AK_Dave> cb: Bottom line: that higher courts have ruled the opposite.
[08:07] <cb_> i dont think so i canada
[08:07] <lanoxx> both?
[08:07] <vart_> Noq: have you tried Unetbootin?
[08:07] <AK_Dave> cb: cross the border, put it to the test.
[08:07] <cb_> i dont think so i canada
[08:08] <Noq> No, I told before that I don't want to take the risk with installing, I don't want a corrupt .img file.
[08:08] <cb_> do i need bold or something?
[08:09] <kole> best idea? just blow up the computer... then they wont find anything :)
[08:09] <cb_> httpdss://www.boingboing.net/2008/01/07/judge-rules-defendan.html : last year
[08:10] <AK_Dave> cb: Please have fun. You have all the instruction you need to knock yourself out.
[08:11] <cb_> startlmhosts: Can't open lmhosts file /etc/samba/lmhosts. Error was No such file or directory
[08:11] <cb_> might be a issue there
[08:12] <vart_> Noq: it is just flash usb, if you fail to write it - just reformat and try again. I do not see your point
[08:12] <Noq> vart_: What if it completes writing and I'm going to install it. What  if it gets stuck there?
[08:13] <fakeer> topyli: vart_: No ethernet. Actually there's no network manager so nothing connects. Though I've only wi-fi available.    Tried CD as repository gives same error "File not found: you tried to install a file that does not(or no longer) exist"
[08:13] <cb_> AK_Dave : even if i partion everything Ubuntu install will still freeze at the same point?
[08:13] <cb_> i dont see why it wouldnt
[08:14] <cb_> its just failing to fully load partion manager
[08:14] <vart_> Noq: if you afraid that the image is written with errors - use the current installation to fdisk it before booting from it...
[08:15] <vart_> have you updated list of packeges after you added the cd as repository?
[08:16] <DASPRiD> hi there, where to find documentation about how to integrate a program with the new indicator-applet?
[08:16] <vart_> fakeer: you can try to  boot from liveCD and download packege to the disk fo later use...
[08:16] <fakeer> vart_: yes, however gives downloading error that i think is for universe and other online repositories
[08:17] <Noq> vart_: I havent done anything yet, I have the .img file on my main pc. I don't know what fdisk is. Sorry.
[08:17] <fakeer> vart_: you mean dowloading .deb packages for NM and related packages.. I tried but same error I get even then
[08:17] <vart_> fakeer - it could be due to version - try to uncheck online repositories
[08:18] <fakeer> vart_: hey i am offline so the online repo download error's are fine i guess... how shall they reload themeselves... adn packages in CD are added... but the error that comes is the same which came when i tried externally downloaded .deb packages from my windows partition
[08:20] <lanoxx> its really strange how many people complain about bug #332945 and still there doesnt seem to be any attempt to fix this :(
[08:20] <vart_> Noq: if you afraid to install due to incorrect livecd - I'd do the following, create cd, boot from it, try to work from it some time... you could even copy all contents of the cd to temp drive to check that all files are readable before you actually start the install
[08:23] <vart_> fakeer: I really do not have other idea exect to figure out the exact version of the package on the cd and request this version instead of the latest. because the latest version will be looked for in the online i think and it could fail
[08:31] <fakeer> vart_: you have any idea whether i can update my ubuntu partition using LiveCD
[08:31] <fakeer> ?
[08:36] <J-_> Does the Wacom Bamboo Fun tablet work in Jaunty via hotplug? Or, do I need to configure it like I had to in 8.04?
[08:39] <ninadsp> fakeer: you'll need to use the alternate cd to upgrade.. a live cd cant do that
[08:44] <fakeer> ninadsp: alternate CD?
[08:44] <fakeer> shall it install the missing NM on my system??
[08:45] <Noq> What's the easiest way to md5sum check the .img file?
[08:47] <ninadsp> fakeer: hey... sorry.. hadn't read every thing you said... have you tried using ifconfig to set up your network?
[08:47] <fakeer> ninadsp: I just added Alternate RC CD in download.. what to do after I have burned the Alt CD.. or can i do it without using a physical CD..??
[08:48] <ninadsp> fakeer: i mounted the alternate cd to /cdrom, cd'ed to the directory, and then did a 'sudo ./cdromupgrade'
[08:48] <fakeer> ninadsp: didn't try and i don't have much knowledge of cmds...though always ready to learn.. :0
[08:48] <ninadsp> that took care of it all.. didnt need to burn the alternate.. :)
[08:48] <ninadsp> fakeer: i've had lots of trouble with NM... so i use ifconfig if i have a problem... check out the man page.. man ifconfig...
[08:49] <Noq> Who was refering me to unetbootin to write the .img file again? pm me for a sec.
[08:49] <ninadsp> fakeer: or you could do a simpler thing... sudo ifdown eth0 and then sudo ifup eth0
[08:50] <fakeer> ninadsp: right now i am in windows (as no net in Jaunty) so will check it there....and i will not my wi-fi settting from here in win
[08:50] <fakeer> ninadsp:  but as i see..there's no NM ..so I hope no driver for my Intel 4965..so how can i connect to internet using ifconfig or the last command u mentioned????
[08:51] <ninadsp> fakeer: sure.. if you want to set up your wifi, you might need to modify the command as ifup ath0 or wifi0... or you can always do a 'sudo ifdown -a' and 'sudo ifup -a'
[08:52] <ninadsp> fakeer: NM manages network connections... ifconfig does the same... manages your interfaces... so once ur wifi/ethernet is up, u can go about setting ur proxy and connecting.. :)
[08:52] <ninadsp> fakeer: do check the man pages... for ifconfig, ifup and ifdown... they are the same family of cmds..
[08:53] <ectospasm> If I download Jaunty now... is there any difference between that and what's supposed to be released this week?
[08:53] <ectospasm> ...full release, I mean.
[08:53] <ectospasm> official, yada yada yada
[08:53] <ninadsp> ectospasm: yes there will be.. but you can always update to the latest packages...
[08:53] <ectospasm> so it's just a simple "aptitude update && aptitude -y full-upgrade"?
[08:54] <Jordan_U> ectospasm, Yes, there are a few bugs that will be fixed before release that are noted in the RC release notes
[08:54] <ninadsp> ectospasm: after installing the RC i mean.. yes
[08:55] <fakeer> ninadsp: sure..thanks..but i will try first alternate CD upgrade method..using cmds mentioned by u.... 1st cd to the mounted cdrom and then sudo ./cdromupgrade .. ok??
[08:56] <ectospasm> thanks for the info guys
[08:56] <ninadsp> fakeer: yes... to mount the cd you'll need 'sudo mount -t iso9660 /path/to/iso /cdrom'
[09:01] <fakeer> ninadsp: ok
[09:01] <fakeer> ninadsp: what if NM still doesn't installs?? though i hope it should..
[09:03] <ninadsp> fakeer: it will... it is a part of the default applications.. it's required by ubuntu-desktop afaik
[09:04] <Noq> I used unetbootin to write the .img file to my usb. I used the option 'Daily_Live', cause there wasn't a 9.04 option of course. Is the usb written correctly?
[09:06] <shaga> why didnt you just download the .img file? and afaik flashnul is for .imgs, unetbootin for .isos
[09:06] <Noq> I didn't understand flashnul. I type in 'flashnul =p' hit enter, and the program shuts down
[09:07] <shaga> oh it's you Noqq
[09:07] <Noq> Ye.. still. (
[09:07] <shaga> it should shut down with that :)
[09:07] <Noq> http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/1373/usbk.jpg  these files are on my usb after writing with unetbootin
[09:08] <shaga> does you flashnul work any similiar way? http://pastebin.com/d5dd8fa11
[09:08] <shaga> that's how it should
[09:08] <cwillu_clone> I just noticed a new annoyance (or at least figured out what it was):  every reboot, my "Front" channel gets reset to 50%.  I don't have a volume control bound to that channel though
[09:08] <Noq> shaga: no, not at all
[09:09] <Noq> shaga: I start flashnul.exe, enter flashnul -p to check drives, press enter, and nothing happens, it shuts down.
[09:09] <shaga> hmm. seems like you have something in your flashnul, where did you take it?
[09:09] <Noq> from the main site, it was russian though, translated it with google
[09:11] <shaga> oh, sounds right
[09:11] <shaga> btw, this is how my netbook remix looks like http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/433548/netbook_remix.jpg
[09:11] <shaga> dont mind the XP, on my gaming pc currently
[09:11] <Noq> way different yes
[09:12] <shaga> ubuntu-9.04-rc-netbook-remix-i386.img used that one
[09:12] <Noq> yep
[09:12] <Noq> but i used unetbootin to write it to my usb, so i shouldn't do that. I need to use flashnul.
[09:13] <shaga> hmm.. now I think I know some idea
[09:13] <shaga> did you start up your cmd prompt as a administrator?
[09:13] <shaga> not sure if flashnul works on a regular user on vista machines
[09:13] <shaga> that looks xp tho
[09:13] <Noq> I'm XP, and I think I'm admnistrator, cause theres only 1 account om my comp.
[09:14] <shaga> ok, it's not the problem then
[09:14] <Noq> For the record shaga, I use my main pc (xp, 1 user) to download and write the usb, later on i use it to install it on this neetbook.
[09:14] <Noq> lemme get a screenshoot from how flashnul looks.
[09:14] <shaga> yeah, same situtiation here yesterday
[09:15] <shaga> ok
[09:15] <shaga> one idea came to my mind if you are on a fast network connection. download regular .iso, put it on cd and boot up the live
[09:15] <shaga> then you can use linux command 'dd'
[09:17] <AK_Dave> Noq: Ubuntu MobileTeam has some good how-to on making a bootable USB for UNR.
[09:17] <AK_Dave> Noq: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Mobile/HowTo/ImageWriting
[09:17] <Noq> AK_Dave: If I'm correct, that is the Flashnul method
[09:17] <AK_Dave> Noq: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[09:18] <Noq> AK_Dave: Sorry i was wrong, this is the linux way, i'm on windows
[09:18] <AK_Dave> Noq: If neither approach works for you, then I don't know what to suggest.
[09:18] <Noq> http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/2708/flashnul.jpg
[09:18] <Noq> thats how my flashnul looks
[09:19] <AK_Dave> Noq: Unetbootin uses Windows. If that doesn't work, redownload the iso.
[09:19] <shaga> did you use flashnul - p
[09:19] <shaga> or flashnul -p
[09:19] <Noq> ye, read the last line of the cmd, i used flashnul -p
[09:19] <shaga> you typed flashnul - p on it :)
[09:20] <Noq> ow, i always do flashnul -p, sorry, mistype on that one.
[09:20] <shaga> np
[09:21] <shaga> there seems to be one another way also on making that stick
[09:21] <Noq> AK_Dave: I'm not doing .iso, I'm doing the .img file for unr.
[09:21] <shaga> "The Cygwin Way" http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Install_from_USB_stick#The_Cygwin_Way
[09:21] <AK_Dave> Noq: Why don't you use the iso?
[09:22] <Noq> AK_Dave: Is there an .iso for UNR?  Install it. Then after you run the update-manager the next thing you install is ubuntu-netbook-remix as a package. 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-netbook-remix'.
[09:24] <AK_Dave> Noq: Bunch of other stuff to install, buncha netbook how-to stuff, over on www.ubuntumini.com
[09:25] <Noq> AK_Dave: I will start the .iso 9.04 download right now.
[09:25] <shaga> Noq: did you try out that Cygwin way I just linked you?
[09:25] <Noq> AK_Dave: w.. btw, I use UnetBootin to write .iso's, since my netbookdoesn't have a diskdrive. What option do I need to choose?
[09:25] <shaga> that should work also
[09:25] <Noq> shaga: That option is on linux right?
[09:25] <shaga> nope
[09:26] <shaga> it's for windows
[09:26] <AK_Dave> Noq: Did you see the link I gave you for using unetbootin?
[09:26] <AK_Dave> Noq: This link - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[09:28] <Noq> shaga: where do i get cygwin files?
[09:28] <shaga> for example http://www.cygwin.com/
[09:29] <Noq> AK_Dave: I know how unetbootin works, but what do i choose as an option on the upper right bar?
[09:29] <Noq> AK_Dave: Since there is no 9.04 option, only 8.10 and lower.
[09:29] <shaga> no need. you can just pick the "disk image"
[09:29] <shaga> and use .iso
[09:29] <AK_Dave> Noq: I don't know what unetbootin looks like, so I can only presume that the link I showed you with pictures and instructions has the information you need.
[09:30] <shaga> I've used unetbootin couple times. with images, you dont need to choose distribution
[09:30] <Noq> shaga: Ow.. so upper bars can leave blank?
[09:30] <shaga> yeah
[09:30] <shaga> that "distribution" select
[09:31] <Noq> shaga: Ok, handy. However, what are those bars for anyway then? lol
[09:31] <shaga> but you should manage making unr stick also with that cygwin. cant guide you through that put should be quite easy
[09:31] <shaga> that option is for download
[09:32] <shaga> it downloads the image and then writes it
[09:32] <shaga> but it doesnt have like Jaunty rc in it
[09:32] <jamie> Will Jaunty Have Drivers for more hardware
[09:32]  * AK_Dave gets a kick out of the fact that the picture of unetbootin on help.ubuntu.com shows using it to install Linux Mint.
[09:33] <Noq> shaga: I'm going to use cygwin.com for a sec. lemme take a quick look on main pc
[09:33] <shaga> that should work and I hope it does :)
[09:34]  * AK_Dave loves the USB Creator tool in Ubuntu.
[09:40] <shaga> btw. if cygwin doesnt work for you and you end up using .iso/unetbootin, you can install it on your netbook and use that system to create .img unr stick
[09:40] <shaga> or just burn it on cd, boot into live on your desktop pc(xp) and use that to create it
[09:41] <AK_Dave> shaga: If Noq puts Jaunty desktop on his netbook he can apt-get install ubuntu-netbook-remix and be done with it.
[09:41] <shaga> just some workarounds if you want to make that stick
[09:41] <shaga> AK_Dave: that's one way also :)
[09:42] <AK_Dave> shaga: It works. :)
[09:42] <shaga> I wouldnt go that one tho as I like to use .img if it's for netbooks.. I can sleep a little bit better :)
[09:42] <Noq> Sigh.. ho annoying to do this, I need to follow up AK_Dave's way. Again downloading the whole .iso.. and update from there. Another 30mins to wait :(
[09:42] <shaga> it works
[09:43] <Noq> Cygen is tuck on installation. And can't really be bothered to fool around more with cmd's. Thanks though shaga.
[09:43] <AK_Dave> Noq: It will work. Unetbootin with the desktop .iso and then apt-get install ubuntu-desktop-remix
[09:43] <shaga> np, .iso way definitely works :)
[09:44] <shaga> now it's time to make some coffee and watch some tv episodes. hf :)
[09:44]  * AK_Dave scrapped Hardy off his netbook and did Jaunty desktop -> UNR this exact way.
[09:44] <AK_Dave> Well, not so exact. I was able to use USB Creator on an Intrepid box to make the stick instead of Unetbootin
[09:45] <Nirrad1st> Hello. I am using Ubuntu 9.04 and I have installed " connectd " application. But I dont know where to find it ? Thanks if you can help.
[09:46] <shaga> have you tried # whereis connectd
[09:46] <shaga> anyway, off I go
[09:46] <Nirrad1st> no , but i will right now.
[09:46] <AK_Dave> Nirrad1st: start typing the command name and then press tab a couple times.
[09:48] <henry-nicolas> Hi, I'm currently trying Jaunty and there is no ruby package, is that normal ?
[09:48] <Noq> ye shaga, thanks for helping amte.
[09:50] <Nirrad1st> both ideas didnt pan out. connectd is a system monitor utility. That i was hoping to try instead of GKrellM system monitor. Or if someone could suggest another alternative that offer temp reading and fan rpm's  plus other features.
[09:52] <timfrost> henry-nicolas: There are lots of ruby-related packages.  The main package appears to be ruby-full.
[09:52] <lanoxx> bug #332945: "Thank you for your bug report. That is a feature, not a bug, and has already been reported." The last time I heard this it came from a MICROSOFT spokes person, and all most everybody I know or read about complaint about this way of Microsoft handling things... Its really sad we are seeing this now in the Linux world
[09:53] <henry-nicolas> timfrost: ruby-full doesn't provide the ruby package while screenruler is requiring the ruby package, therefore, it isn't installable
[09:56] <timfrost> henry-nicolas: That sounds like a bug in ruby-full (it should have an attribute 'Provides: ruby').  Since ruby is in universe, it should be possible to get that fixed
[09:57] <henry-nicolas> timfrost: indeed, I confirm, ruby-full doesn't provide ruby. What should I do to report that correctly ?
[10:00] <timfrost> henry-nicolas: file a bug against ruby-full. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[10:00] <BlackDex> Hello there
[10:00] <BlackDex> i have a weird thing
[10:00] <BlackDex> the network graph says that there is network activity
[10:00] <BlackDex> like more then 1GB/s
[10:01] <BlackDex> even when there is a 100MB/s connection
[10:01] <zash_> BlackDex: 100MegaByte/sec ?
[10:01] <zash_> also, compression?
[10:01] <BlackDex> Also when i unplug the network, it keeps sending accourding to the network graph
[10:02] <BlackDex> i mean Mb/s sorry
[10:03] <BlackDex> is there a way to see which program (if any) is transmitting things?
[10:03] <unomi> man netstat
[10:03] <BlackDex> well that i already checked
[10:04] <unomi> apparently not :p
[10:04] <unomi> netstat will tell you what is doing what
[10:04] <unomi> you could also get nettop
[10:04] <BlackDex> if it was that obvouis, i would come here :)
[10:04] <unomi> which is a bit more friendly
[10:04] <unomi> exactly
[10:05] <henry-nicolas> timfrost : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ruby-defaults/+bug/364026
[10:05] <BlackDex> but.. i closed all apps i know off with network connections..
[10:05] <BlackDex> MySQL, Dns, apache etc... etc...
[10:05] <BlackDex> did a netstat
[10:05] <BlackDex> and no active connections
[10:06] <BlackDex> also used netwatch, same result, nothing strange
[10:06] <BlackDex> but i wonderd if there was an app that can see me which program is using xKb/s on the network
[10:07] <unomi> netstat  -ecpA inet
[10:07] <unomi> will not show you the rate, no
[10:07] <unomi> for that you can use nettop
[10:08] <unomi> sorry
[10:08] <unomi> iftop
[10:08] <unomi> apt-get install iftop if you dont have it
[10:09] <timfrost> henry-nicolas: that should help.  No idea how long it will take to be processed though.
[10:10] <BlackDex> unomi: Ah thx.. Ill try to figure it out :)
[10:15] <BlackDex> according to iftop there is no activity with that a high rate :S
[10:18] <jmarsden> BlackDex: Are you looking at a graph showing traffic on your loopback interface by accident, maybe? "When I unplug the network it keeps sending"... sounds like loopback traffic to me.
[10:20] <DASPRiD> hi there, where to find documentation about how to integrate a program with the new indicator-applet?
[10:20] <aapzak> anyone here moved resolvconf from 07 to a later time during init?
[10:21] <Noqq> I'm about to startup my bootable usb with 9.04 on it. When I first run trough Live mode, can I use GParted to partition my drive? And after that install Ubuntu on that space?
[10:25] <aapzak> Noqq: yes, that should be possible
[10:29] <ninadsp> Noqq: yes.... i've done that a few times before..
[10:30] <Noqq> ninadsp: Ok, it's now on bootscreen of ubuntu. Waiting to go in live, than i'll need to figure out ohw it works to partition.
[10:31] <ninadsp> Noqq: have you used the partition manager before? it should be very easy...
[10:32] <Noqq> ninadsp: No I'm now in Ubuntu live, searching for a partition manager.
[10:33] <ninadsp> Noqq: system>administration>partition manager
[10:33] <Noqq> ninadsp: would be awesome if you could drag me trough this proces. (If it doesn't take too long, don't want to ruin our time)
[10:33] <ninadsp> Noqq: its a very easy to use... sure.. have some time :)
[10:33] <drinkycrow> i dont have system
[10:33] <drinkycrow> im on nr
[10:34] <Noqq> ninadsp: Ok, I'm in, for your information, I got C:\ (60gb, NTFS) and D:\ (80gb, NTFS), on C:\ there is Windows, and I want to make Dual Boot.
[10:34] <ninadsp> Noqq: setup the partitions as you want them... keep the ubuntu partition as ext3/ext4 as per your choice...
[10:35] <ninadsp> Noqq: i'd suggest 14-15 gb of disk space for ubuntu.. min 10 gb
[10:35] <ninadsp> and alteast 1x or 2x your ram for swap...
[10:35] <Noqq> ninadsp: I'm on Netbook, (im typing mirc with my main pc, installing currently on Netbook)
[10:35] <thekorn> hi, has anyone ever installed jaunty ( > beta) from an usb stick created with usb-creator?
[10:36] <Noqq> ninadsp: However, what you mean with 1x or 2x ram? And how do I make the partition, just right click on the drive and make it?
[10:36] <frybye> thekorn - yes thank you! ;=)
[10:36] <ninadsp> Noqq: ok.... how much free space do you have on your D drive?
[10:36] <ninadsp> Noqq: you could resize it, and reduce its size... to create enough space for ubuntu..
[10:37] <frybye> thekorn: hang on - not sure what soft I used for it off hand..
[10:37] <Noqq> ninadsp: But I want Dual Boot, so shouldn't it be on the same drive as windows is installed?
[10:37] <frybye> thekorn: and it was a hdsd card not a stick but same story..
[10:37] <ninadsp> Noqq: na... u need different partitions to for both os's.. they will still be on the same disk though
[10:38] <Noqq> ninadsp: Ow, and I'm in the Resize part now. I have chosen for: 12gb of free space Presending, 74gb left, Xgb following. What is the following part?
[10:38] <thekorn> frybye: ok, but why thanking me? ;)
[10:38] <ninadsp> Noqq: and i'd rather resize D:/ than C:/....
[10:38] <Noqq> ninadsp: ok will do, but what is the 'Following' option?
[10:38] <ninadsp> Noqq: this is from the partition manager? right?
[10:39] <ninadsp> Noqq: gimme a min.. i'll check up the part manager... been ages since i opened it...
[10:39] <Noqq> ninadsp: Ye, I'm currently in the screen to resize my empty D:\, for making a partition for Ubuntu to install.
[10:40] <ninadsp> Noqq: ahhh... i don't have it installed... :( and i've got an update happening.. so cant install and check gparted.. :(
[10:40] <Noqq> ninadsp: Gimme a sec., I will type as clear as I can what my screen says now.
[10:40] <ninadsp> Noqq: sure...
[10:41] <Noqq> Free Space Perceding: 0, New Size: 62738, Free Space Following: 0
[10:41] <BlackDex> pc crashed :S
[10:41] <Noqq> Those are the 3 options that are underneath eachother.
[10:42] <victim> yesterday i updated 8.10 to jaunty, which was fine, today there were some updates (5 plus 2 blocked) which i applied, there was an error http://www.pastie.org/452140 where should i report it?
[10:42] <BlackDex> im currently using etherape to check where the network traffic is comming from, but i can't find it
[10:42] <BlackDex> nothing seems to produce that kind of network traffic
[10:43] <aapzak> is there noone here who fixed the resolvconf error during init? Its started too early , anyone here moved resolvconf back in the line?
[10:43] <ninadsp> Noqq: ok... it's resized the partition and created a new one i assume?
[10:44] <Noqq> ninadsp: I don't know what to fill in at, "Free Space Perceding" and "Free Space Following"
[10:44] <Noqq> ninadsp: What will be the option that gives me the free space for ubuntu to install?
[10:44] <ninadsp> Noqq:ohh... alright got it...
[10:45] <ninadsp> Noqq: leave free space preceding to 0... set the free space following to watever size u want for (ubuntu + swap) in gb x 1000
[10:46] <Noqq> ninadsp: Ok, i left preceding at 0, and chose for 12000 in following free space
[10:46] <ninadsp> it is asking you how much space to create while resizing the partition... btw, are u resizing c: or d: ?
[10:46] <Noqq> D:
[10:46] <ninadsp> ok... go ahead and crete that free space...
[10:47] <ninadsp> Noqq:  sorry it took me so long to catch up.. :)
[10:47] <Noqq> ninadsp: Now there is also a checkbox underneath these fillouts, "Round to cylinders?"
[10:47] <Noqq> ninadsp: No problem, youre great help.
[10:47] <ninadsp> Noqq: yes... do round it to cylinders... the numbers will change slightly...
[10:48] <Noqq> ninadsp: Ok, then I'm ready to accept the resize I guess
[10:48] <ninadsp> would be better for your hard disk.. selecting tht option
[10:49] <Noqq> ninadsp: Ok, clicked Resize, now I click the "Apply", at the top?
[10:49] <Noqq> ninadsp: Cause it tells me it's pending to partition, and the partitioned part is 'unallocated'
[10:50] <tweakster> hello. i can't seem to play mp3's or movies with 9.04.. it just exits the program or log me out
[10:50] <Noqq> Nvm.. it's busy.
[10:51] <ninadsp> Noqq: yes... i am facing a little lag... network issues i guess
[10:51] <ninadsp> Noqq: yes... apply the changes... or you could at the same time, ask it to mark some of the space as ext3/4 and some part as swap
[10:51] <ninadsp> tweakster: i assume you have installed the necessary codecs?
[10:51] <tweakster> i have yes
[10:52] <ninadsp> tweakster: then i am not the right person to help you... please wait around... :)
[10:52] <Noqq> ninadsp: It's done. However, it still tells me it's unallocated. Can I still go and install Ubuntu and choose that 'unallocated'part?
[10:52] <tweakster> tjhanks you nina
[10:52] <victim> tweakster: can you start the player from the command line?
[10:52] <ninadsp> Noqq: two options.. you can create a partition of ext3/4 on that space right now, and then start the installer, or let the installer do it for u...
[10:53] <tweakster> victim: i can load the player, just when i try to actually play something it shuts down
[10:53] <Noqq> ninadsp: I'll let the installer do it.
[10:54] <ninadsp> Noqq: also, be sure to keep some space for your swap partition.. unless you have a 3 or 4 gb ram, and are not going to keep your system on for a long period at a time
[10:54] <Noqq> ninadsp: when do I get to choosethat?
[10:54] <ninadsp> Noqq: go ahead and start the installer then.. it'll be on the desktop... when on the partitions step of the process, select the partition that you just created for the root
[10:55] <Noqq> ninadsp: ok, I started the installation, from there I can choose what partition to install and what ram I want to use? (I got 1gb of ram, told you, netbook) :)
[10:55] <ninadsp> Noqq: from the 12 gb that you just made, you can allocate about 10 gb as your root, in the partitioning step in the installer, and the rest 2 gb for swap... assuming you want that much swap
[10:56] <ninadsp> Noqq: ok... it's recommended that swap space be the same or a multiple pf the ram.. to go for 1 gb or 2 gb of swap...
[10:56] <ninadsp> Moqq: yes.. it'll be the third step if i am not wrong.. the partitions manager...
[10:57] <ninadsp> Noqq: or it might be the 4th... dont remember.. :)
[10:57] <Noqq> ninadsp: It's good mate. The installation is user-friendly for newcomers like me.
[10:58] <Noqq> inadsp: OK! I'm in the partition part now. Let's see..
[10:58] <fakeer> ninadsp: jaunty alternate CD has completed 72% downlaod.. If Network Manager doesn't installs after cdromupgrade then i will get back to you again..
[10:58] <ninadsp> Noqq; yes it is... even i had a lot of fun with it... setting ut up on a lot of systems...
[10:58] <ninadsp> fakeer: sure.. if i am still here, i'll be glad to help.. or u can ask others...
[10:58] <ninadsp> Noqq: ok.. select the unallocated space, and click on the 'new partition' button
[10:59] <Noqq> ninadsp: d'oh.. still stuck. :(
[10:59] <ninadsp> Noqq: set the size as 10 or 11 gb... it takes a little time to scan the disk... :)
[10:59] <Noqq> ninadsp: It tells me to use entire disk, or use partition (advanced), I see the Free Space in the bar above the installer, but How to select it?
[11:00] <ninadsp> Noqq: there will be a manual option.. the advanced one i guess...
[11:00] <tweakster> ninadsp: strange thing is it used to work ; ;
[11:00] <ninadsp> Noqq: yes.. the advanced option... thats what i always use...
[11:00] <Noqq> ninadsp: Yes, I chose that one, but I can't choose where to install it.
[11:00] <ninadsp> tweakster: maybe an update broke it?
[11:01] <tweakster> ninadsp: i hope not :)
[11:01] <SandGorgon> how do you get a list of ALL installed packages on kpackagekit ?
[11:01] <ninadsp> Noqq: could you tell me the options on that page? there will be some 3 options... one is using the entire disk, one is teh advandced one
[11:01] <dooglus> the first time I plug my phone in, it gets automounted.  if I unmount it, and replug it, it doesn't.  is there any way I can have it mounted a 2nd time?
[11:02] <ninadsp> Noqq: i remember a manual option, where it allowed me to play with the partitions...
[11:02] <tweakster> ninadsp: it's "movie player" that shuts down.. maybe i should try re-installing it? not sure what program it really is
[11:03] <ninadsp> twekster: that is totem media player... tried using vlc or any other alternative like mplayer?
[11:03] <Noqq> ninadsp: Yep, I'm in the part where to choose what partition. But the partition I made before is 'unusable'.
[11:03] <tweakster> ninadsp: true i have and the same thing ; ; however i still get thumbnail previews or i can hang mouse over mp3 and it will play
[11:03] <ninadsp> Noqq: ohh!
[11:04] <ninadsp> Noqq: the partition manager never gave me such an error before...!
[11:05] <ninadsp> Noqq: me trying to google... pls hang around...
[11:06] <Noqq> ninadsp: I an however click on my D:\, and do 'edit partition' and get like the list of 'ntfs, ext3, ext4, fat32', and choose 'New Partition Size'.
[11:07] <ninadsp> Noqq: that will format your entire d drive...
[11:08] <Noqq> ninadsp: there isn't anything on that D drive anyway. But I don't want to make my D drive all Empty, I want to keep a part of D accessable for Windows.
[11:09] <ninadsp> Noqq: i guess i know why that error is occuring... there is a limit on the number of partitions that can be made on a drive... so i had to make a logical partition on my system, which had a few more partitions under it...
[11:09] <ninadsp> and i'd done it using the partition manager from system>admin...
[11:10] <tweakster> ninadsp: could you check http://pastebin.com/d3b9e0912 please?
[11:10] <Noqq> ninadsp: When I made it possible to have more partitions, it would work? I don't need to redo my partition I just made?
[11:10] <ninadsp> Noqq: you can cancel the current install process and do this... open gparted again..
[11:10] <ninadsp> Noqq: it can be done...
[11:11] <ninadsp> weakster: checking.. gimme a min...
[11:11] <tweakster> ninadsp: thaqnk you nina
[11:12] <ninadsp> Noqq: in gparted, select the free space that you had just created, and make a new partition there... a 10 or 110 gb partition in ext3 or ext 4
[11:13] <ninadsp> tweakster: from what i understand, it is an error with totem... did you try googling the first line of the error?
[11:13] <Noqq> ninadsp: "It is not possible to create more than 4 primary partitions"
[11:13] <ninadsp> tweakster: it might have been already reported as a bug...
[11:13] <tweakster> Details: serial 76 error_code 11 request_code 132 minor_code 19 that line google it?
[11:13] <ninadsp> Noqq: does it show any options? like creating a secondary partition?
[11:14] <Noqq> ninadsp: The free space I made from my D:\, is showing in gparted to be gray and unallocated. When I highlight this partition and press 'New' above, it tells me the error of no more partitions than 4.
[11:15] <ninadsp> tweakster: nopes.. the one with /var/lib/python-support
[11:15] <ninadsp> Noqq: ok.. please hold on...
[11:16] <Noqq> ninadsp: Ow, and in the error it tells me to first create an extended partition. Sorry for not noticing immediately.
[11:16] <ninadsp> Noqq: its alright... extended partitions was what i was looking for.. :)
[11:17] <ninadsp> and i'd just found something abt it on the forums..
[11:18] <ninadsp> Noqq: create that extended partition, and in it create your root... and a swap partition...
[11:18] <Noqq> ninadsp: can you link that forum topic, cause I don't know how to make an Extended partition.
[11:18] <ninadsp> Noqq: after you are done with that, fire up the installer again, and ask it to use the existing partitions...
[11:18] <ninadsp> Noqq: just a min
[11:19] <dooglus> the first time I plug my phone in, it gets automounted.  if I unmount it, and replug it, it doesn't.  is there any way I can have it mounted a 2nd time?
[11:19] <tweakster> ninadsp: i found something here... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-gdata/+bug/336706 but i'm not really understanding it ; ;
[11:20] <ninadsp> Noqq: can you see something about a logical partition?
[11:20] <ninadsp> tweakster: well, if there is a fix/workaround given on that page, you could try that... but i dunno much about python...
[11:20] <Noqq> ninadsp: a 'logical' partition? No.
[11:21] <tweakster> ninadsp: ok thank you
[11:22] <ninadsp> Noqq: the thread i am reading is this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=107726 but it doesnt have the solution, ie how to use gparted... googling..
[11:23] <Noqq> ninadsp: I seriously can't do anything with the free space I made. It's unallocated and when I highlight it, I can only choose option 'New', but then I get the error "No more than 4 aprtitions.."
[11:23] <ninadsp> Noqq: ok.. please hold on...
[11:25] <henux> ubuntu 8.10 repos seem to have many different packages containing inetd -- inetutils-inetd, netkit-inetd etc. which package should i use to install inetd daemon, or should i go with xinetd?
[11:25] <henux> and btw, im trying to set up svnserve with *inetd
[11:26] <henux> thanks
[11:28] <ninadsp> Noqq: can you delete that 12 gb of space tht you made? as in does it show up as a partition or as a free space?
[11:29] <ninadsp> Noqq: i forgot some of the things u said b4.. so sorry for asking again...
[11:29] <Noqq> ninadsp: It's a unalloacted free space, can't delete it.
[11:30] <ninadsp> Noqq: and how many other partitions exist? c: and d: right? which makes it just three...
[11:30] <ninadsp> Noqq: no option to make a new partition? i do know this must be frustrating...
[11:31] <Noqq> C, D, E (fat32, small one), and some Uknown partition, with a ! next to it.
[11:31] <Noqq> ninadsp: I'ts a new netook, so everything should be installed correctly. Never did something weird.
[11:31] <ninadsp> Noqq: ok.. the ! next to it means that it is either mounted, or there is some free space there...
[11:32] <nyso> hi there, how can i activate for my intel gma950
[11:32] <nyso> UXA
[11:32] <ninadsp> Noqq: ok.. there are already 4 partitions, which is why it is giving the error... what does gparted say when you try to click in the unkown partition?
[11:33] <nyso> xorg.conf seems a little bit empty
[11:33] <ninadsp> someone here who could help with creating an extended partition with gparted?
[11:33] <aapzak> nyso: a bit empty or totally empty?
[11:33] <Noqq> ninadsp: double click, gives the information of the space/how it's used. Right click, only tells me to select 'New', not able to delete it or how to format it.
[11:34] <nyso> aapzak: a bit... http://pastebin.com/m18d4e6f4
[11:34] <ninadsp> Noqq: how is it used? and how much space does it take?
[11:34] <Noqq> ninadsp: the one I made is 12gb, and further blank, can't choose how to use it as a NTFS or Ext3 as example.
[11:34] <aapzak> nyso, just add Option "AccelMethod" "UXA" to the device section
[11:35] <ninadsp> Noqq: and when you select 'New' for that, you get the error of being unable to create a partition... right?
[11:35] <aapzak> nyso: you'll need to restart X ofcourse, and keep track of you memory load for the X process
[11:35] <rumpel> !upgrade
[11:36] <mikebeecham> Hi guys
[11:36] <mikebeecham> just installed Jaunty
[11:36] <Noqq> ninadsp: Ye, then I get the error I can't make more than 4 aprtitions.
[11:36] <ninadsp> Noqq: well.. your problem is to create the extended partition.. once you can create that, you can go ahead and complete the installer...
[11:36] <mikebeecham> wow, is all I can say..although the growl thingy is annoying me already!
[11:36] <nyso> aapzak: thx :)
[11:36] <Noqq> ninadsp: But HOW do I make the Extended Partition? :P
[11:36] <ninadsp> Noqq: please ask people here how to do it.. i have to go right now...
[11:36] <aapzak> nyso: what are you going to use it for?
[11:36] <Noqq> ninadsp: ok
[11:36] <ninadsp> Noqq: so sorry cant help you...
[11:37] <ninadsp> Noqq: hope it gets solved soon... :)
[11:37] <Noqq> ninadsp: ye hope so
[11:37] <nyso> aapzak: well, my intel gma950 is very slow and i've read that uxa can solve this
[11:38] <aapzak> nyso: I'm curious how it works out for you, didn't do anything for me
[11:38] <mikebeecham> guys..is there anyway to disable the notification panel in the top-right corner?
[11:38] <mikebeecham> I cant seem to find a setting
[11:38] <nyso> brb
[11:39] <Praveen> anyone know where to find the intrepid human GDM theme. i hate the one in jaunty
[11:41] <nyso> aapzak: re and it works fast now .9
[11:41] <incubii> Is there a way to configure the new notification system in Jaunty?
[11:41] <nyso> :)
[11:42] <Praveen> incubii: last time i asked it was no. shouldnt have been released in this kind of shape
[11:45] <Noqq> I have ubuntu 9.04 now running live, can I make a backup first from my Windows files?
[11:53] <tj83> is it coming in 3 days or not? i have heard someplace they missed the boat on release schedule?
[11:56] <incubii> thanks Praveen. Just annoying that i can't set the damn thing to fade or make it bigger
[11:57] <Praveen> incubii: yes i find it annoying too
[11:57] <Praveen> incubii: hopefully it is fixed in 9.10
[11:58] <Praveen> incubii: if you do a bit of searching there is a way to go back to the old notifications
[11:58] <tj83> is it coming in 3 days or not? i have heard someplace they missed the boat on release schedule?
[12:05] <aapzak> tj83: does it matter that much? RC was on time, I don't like rushjob results, so I hope they release when they're ready
[12:06] <tj83> no aapzak your completely right... 8.10 was a good example of that in my opinion, but curious none the less.
[12:06] <victim> tj83: where did you hear this?
[12:07] <victim> where is this 'someplace'?
[12:07] <tj83> word of mouth, didnt claim it to be true, figured this was good place to ask
[12:07] <tj83> guess we will know in 3 days if its up on the main stream download page.
[12:07] <victim> sounds like jealous gossip
[12:08] <victim> I would shrug my shoulders and ignore it, I wouldn't repeat it without stating that it was an unfounded statement
[12:09] <tj83> ha, ok, now i'm the bad guy lol, anyways. i think i can wait 72 hrs for my answer :P
[12:10] <tj83> been running 9.04 for about 2 weeks now, i must say, Lookin good!
[12:11] <tj83> i am just anxious to say to others, GO FER IT! ya know, and until its official... dont wanna do that.
[12:11] <aapzak> tj83: if you're already on 9.04 it won't make much of a difference anyway :)
[12:11] <aapzak> oyeah
[12:14] <tj83> yea, i have had less headache out of 9.04 pre-release than 8.10 post release  and believe me, i tried to stick it out with 8.10, only to find myself back in 8.04. hopefully 9.04 wont be a  repeat of that.
[12:18] <rconan> tj83: funny... I found 8.04 to be poor at release and ended up sticking with 7.10
[12:22] <ubuntu> does anybody know how i can decrypt my /home partition using ecryptfs?
[12:22] <ubuntu> i reinstalled jaunty by deleting root ( / ) , but my encrypted /home partition was untouched
[12:22] <ubuntu> bur now i only see one file on /home, called Access-Your-Private-Data.desktop
[12:22] <ubuntu> but i cannot launch it
[12:22] <ubuntu> i appreciate any help!!
[12:23] <KelloggsFrosties> having a problem with connecting to vpnc with network-manager (kde). is this a known issue?
[12:26] <ubuntu> anybody can help me with my encrpted /home partition?
[12:27] <shadeslayer> i was going to ask the same thing,in 8.10,there was option to encrypt your home folder
[12:27] <ubuntu> yes but i want to decrypt my /home
[12:28] <ubuntu> but i reinstalled jaunty by formating / root
[12:29] <ubuntu> damn it im screwed up without my data
[12:30] <shadeslayer> ubuntu: how did you encrypt it btw?
[12:31] <ubuntu> with the jaunty alpha 6 installer
[12:31] <ubuntu> he just asked me for my loginpassword
[12:31] <shadeslayer> i didnt see it in my installer,:(
[12:31] <ubuntu> can i use this to decrypt it?
[12:31] <dooglus> what is 'tor' called in jaunty?  I can't find it
[12:31] <aaron> maybe this is a dumb question but is there a way to create a nepomuk tag representing a person so I can tag my photos in gwenview with it?
[12:32] <dooglus> !info tor
[12:32] <dooglus> !info tor interpid
[12:32] <aaron> I have an address book set up, I just don't see a way to select one of them for a tag
[12:32] <dooglus> !info tor intrepid
[12:32] <tj83> how can i make the update manager ignore a broken package? has anyone used cedega in 9.04? did you have to force install?
[12:38] <Lasivian> hrrrm
[12:38] <Lasivian> I have booted off a usb image, and i'm wanting to use that machine to rewrite the usb stick with another image
[12:38] <Lasivian> is that possible, or will it need the first image to keep running?
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> tj83: i'd contact cedega regardng the upgrade, see what they recommend
[12:46] <faker123> ninadsp: Hey .. I'm upgrading using Alternate CD , but it's not installing networking manager in the list of packages it will be installing
[12:48] <robin0800_> faker123: kde?
[12:49] <faker123> robin0800_: Gnome
[12:49] <faker123> robin0800_: i had installed using jaunty beta and just right now upgraded using RC alternate CD
[12:50] <Lasivian> well crap... the usb startup disk creator cannot use a .img
[12:50] <robin0800_> faker123: theres something in the release notes about having to add the nm applett on an upgrade but thought that was only kde
[12:51] <faker123> hmm
[12:52] <faker123> robin0800_: for the last 6-7 days ..i have been shfting b/w ubuntu-vista.. i hate to do it..both for vista is not free and for the tiresome effort it needs
[12:54] <cwillu_clone> Lasivian, if it's just expecting a cd, then mount the image using a loopback
[12:55] <Lasivian> it's expecting an iso
[12:55] <Lasivian> tho, perhaps a cd image would work
[12:57] <faker123> robin0800_: trying booting in rescue mode from alt cd...see what happens........
[12:59] <faker123> I  sincerely believe that ubuntu/and other distro should think learning a thing or two from OSs like Windows and Mac.. I don't think being non free means...everything's bad there...
[13:00] <faker123> sometimes or most of the times it becomes a nightmare for less geeky linux/open source enthusiasts
[13:01] <shadeslayer> faker123: if you use linux you are bound to be called a geek,accept the fact
[13:01] <faker123> :) but see.. what a nightmare i am going through
[13:02] <shadeslayer> faker123: i know,setting up ubuntu/linux is a nightmare for the first week,after that youl love it
[13:02] <faker123> shadeslayer: atleast there should be basic features in the LiveCd or Alt Cd like..you can reinstalled a broken package...
[13:03] <Lasivian> the issue is we have been spoonfed windows and mac babyfood for years
[13:03] <faker123> shadeslayer: nope.. i used 8.04 for almost 3 months..and then skipped 8.10...now used 9.04 for almost 20 days without any problem but when i removed NM and installed WICD  and then tried to reinstall NM..all hell break loose :)
[13:04] <shadeslayer> yeah,its click and install etc
[13:04] <Lasivian> if i ever have a child they will be born with a copy of Linux and a Dvorak keyboard
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> Lasivian: like it :)
[13:04] <zash_> Lasivian: oh yeah!
[13:04] <faker123> Lasivian: you cannot accept everyone to be linux experts even from 50 yrs from now
[13:04] <Noqq> Is installing Ubuntu 9.04 from my USB Bootable save without first making partitions? Meaning that I choose to let Ubuntu automatically installs itself correctly.
[13:04] <rconan> Lasivian: "born with", the surgery for that could be quite drastic :p
[13:05] <Lasivian> faker123: if I had grown up with Linux instead of Windows there would be no issue figuring out Linux issues for me now
[13:05] <shadeslayer> that applies for everyone :P
[13:05] <faker123> Lasivian: there are people who has a right that they can use an Open Src OS just out of the box.. ( though i dont qualify for that) :)
[13:06] <Lasivian> this is like being in a dictatorship for most of your life, then being dragged to a democracy and not knowing what the hell people are talking about with this "voting" crap
[13:06] <petsounds> heelo, i have probelm with my mouse going crazy and move everywhere after installing to kubuntu 9. 04 rc, so i doing a test with ubuntu 8. 10 in my other hard disk once, the problem never appear. it's a pity cause i really love kde, maybe folks around here can help me
[13:07] <Noqq> Is installing Ubuntu 9.04 from my USB Bootable save without first making partitions? Meaning that I choose to let Ubuntu automatically installs itself correctly.
[13:07] <shadeslayer> petsounds: ooh sounds like something i had in 8.10
[13:07] <aapzak> I think installing Ubuntu is easier than installing Windows actually
[13:07] <faker123> Lasivian:  nope..the analogy  doesn't fit here
[13:07] <Lasivian> faker123: in any analogy it's simply a change in viewpoint from what someone has always known
[13:08] <shadeslayer> petsounds: i think you have to add a line something like ionumux in the config file
[13:08] <faker123> petsounds: give GNOME a try... I love it... ;)
[13:08] <ActionParsnip> faker123: try lxde, love it ;)
[13:08] <petsounds> shadeslayer, maybe u can write a lil more detail cause i'm just average user.
[13:09] <shadeslayer> petsounds: im googling right now
[13:09] <rconan> petsounds: are you using multiple screens
[13:09] <rconan> ?
[13:09] <shadeslayer> petsounds: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/216797
[13:09] <petsounds> faker123, i have two OS. i use gnome and kde, both is a winner to me
[13:10] <shadeslayer> petsounds: searching for a better explanation
[13:10] <shadeslayer> petsounds: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallingUbuntuOnADellXPSM1530#Touchpad%20speed%20is%20lame
[13:11] <petsounds> rconan, i am not using multiple screen
[13:11] <thiebaude> yo
[13:12] <shadeslayer> petsounds: your tochpad jumps around right?
[13:12] <petsounds> yes sir
[13:12] <petsounds> what should i do to fix it shadeslayer?
[13:13] <shadeslayer> petsounds: open your grub menu.lst
[13:14] <shadeslayer> petsounds: can you open it?? or may i provide the command?
[13:14] <petsounds> yes please
[13:14] <petsounds> he..he
[13:16] <shadeslayer> petsounds: gnome i guess?
[13:16] <petsounds> i'm on kubuntu right now
[13:16] <Noqq> I'm right now at the installment of Ubuntu 9.04 at the partition part. What do I need to choose?
[13:16] <shadeslayer> petsounds: gksu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[13:16] <Noqq> I don't want XP deleted.
[13:16] <shadeslayer> oh wait
[13:16] <petsounds> kdesudo, right?
[13:17] <shadeslayer> yeah :P
[13:17] <petsounds> ok next?
[13:18] <shadeslayer> replace ro quiet splash i8042.nomux=1
[13:18] <shadeslayer> you wont have i8042.nomux=1 just add that to the kernel part
[13:19] <Lasivian> arg
[13:19] <Lasivian> this netbootin img just constantly fails
[13:19] <shadeslayer> Lasivian: i hate unetbootin,didnt work even once for me
[13:19] <petsounds> just paste this command quiet splash i8042.nomux=1 ?
[13:19] <Lasivian> I don;t have any other machine to work with
[13:19] <shadeslayer> petsounds: no,paste the kernel part for me here
[13:19] <Lasivian> I couldn't get the img written with a livecd boot
[13:20] <Lasivian> how else can I write a img to usb drive?
[13:20] <shadeslayer> Lasivian: use dd
[13:20] <Lasivian> dd?
[13:20] <Noqq> Can someone please hlp me trough the part of installing ubuntu? I'm stuck at the partition section.
[13:21] <rconan> Noqq: are you trying to dual-boot?
[13:21] <thiebaude> Noqq: what happens at that part?
[13:21] <shadeslayer> Lasivian: here http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-101780.html
[13:21] <petsounds> sorry, on the terminall or on kate?
[13:21] <Noqq> rconan: Yes, I want Dual Boot
[13:22] <Noqq> thiebaude: I got 2 drives, C/80gb/NTFS, D/70gb/NTFS
[13:22] <rconan> Noqq: what exactly is the problem? are both your OSs on the same drive?
[13:22] <shadeslayer> petsounds: what happened?
[13:22] <Noqq> rconan: I only got Windows installed now, I want dual boot with Ubuntu 9.04
[13:22] <rconan> Noqq: are you intending to install to the same drive as windows?
[13:22] <thiebaude> Noqq: im going to hand you off to rconan because i got to go
[13:23] <Noqq> rconan: C is on Windows, D is empty. I'll do whatever is needed to get Dual Boot.
[13:23] <shadeslayer> petsounds: http://pastebin.com/d3f43e24d
[13:23] <Noqq> thiebaude: np.
[13:23] <Lasivian> shadeslayer: thanks
[13:23] <rconan> well you can either shrink C and install linux there (assuming there is free space) or install to part or all of D
[13:23] <shadeslayer> Lasivian: no problems
[13:23] <shadeslayer> Lasivian: would you prefer a wiki?
[13:23] <petsounds> i don't know what should i paste in here
[13:24] <Noqq> rconan: But I can't choose to what drive it will install.
[13:24] <rconan> Noqq: what does it say?
[13:24] <Noqq> rconan: Ow, I can choose. But what drive should I pick to install? Theyre both NTFS, and on C is Windows
[13:24] <shadeslayer> Lasivian: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[13:25] <shadeslayer> petsounds: paste your grub menus.lst
[13:25] <shadeslayer> not here tho,in pastebin
[13:25] <rconan> Noqq: it should offer you some options like "shrink <something> and install in free space" or "use whole drive <something>"
[13:25] <rconan> and you can pick
[13:26] <Noqq> rconan: I chose for the Advanced option. Not the use whole disk, cause it told me it would delete Windows XP.
[13:26] <petsounds> make new post there?
[13:26] <rconan> Noqq: so you're in the manual partition editor now?
[13:26] <shadeslayer> yeah
[13:26] <petsounds> ok
[13:26] <petsounds> wait
[13:26] <shadeslayer> petsounds: sure
[13:27] <Noqq> rconan: I'm in the installer, Prepare Partitions.
[13:27] <petsounds> ok done
[13:27] <Lasivian> shadeslayer: apparently the livecd isn't running right on my mac mini
[13:27] <Lasivian> so I only have windows to work with right now
[13:28] <rconan> Noqq: I can't remember what the graphical installer looks like for 9.04 since I used the alternative for my install... you need to decide whether to shrink the windows install and keep D empty or use D for linux
[13:28] <fakeer123> Lasivian: No success.. tried alternate CD upgrade.. and then even tried by booting into rescue mode..but i can't connect to internet using NM(as it didn't install) nor i can use ifconfig
[13:28] <shadeslayer> Lasivian: hmm,what about a wubi install and using that?
[13:28]  * Lasivian thinks
[13:29] <Noqq> rconan: But when I used GParted to shrink like 12gb of my D:\, the free space was unallocated and I couldn't use it for installment of Ubuntu.
[13:29] <fakeer123> Lasivian: hmm..have to leave..lab is closing......
[13:29] <rconan> Noqq: once you've shrank the partition you have to make a new on the in the free space
[13:29] <shadeslayer> Lasivian: you can make a USB image from there,itll have the USB creator
[13:30]  * shadeslayer thinks where petsounds wandered off to
[13:30] <Noqq> rconan: Then I got the error I couldn'make morethan 4 partitions.
[13:31] <Lasivian> I got the 8.04 on the mac mini running again, trying that
[13:31] <rconan> Noqq: how many partitions do you already have on there?
[13:31] <rconan> you only really need to make 2 for ubuntu
[13:32] <petsounds> i have paste in pastebin
[13:32] <Noqq> rconan: I got 4, C and D, both NTFS. And the 3rd is FAT32 with only 5gigs. and the 4th is some small thingy with no format and 41mb.
[13:33] <rconan> Noqq: oh... I didn't realise C and D were both on the same disk... I assumed they were different disks...
[13:33] <rconan> Noqq: is there anything on the 3rd partition?
[13:33] <shadeslayer> petsounds: then please paste the link here
[13:33] <Noqq> rconan: ye, it has used like 2gbs of the 5gb.
[13:34] <Noqq> rconan: But if I knew how to make a extended partition, than maybe it would work.
[13:34] <coz_> hey guys any news about powermangement?  the monitor is still sleeping after 10 minutes
[13:34] <rconan> Noqq: is there a reason for it being separate? it would probably be easiest and best to move everything off the 3rd partition so you have some contiguous free space at the end of the drive and then make two new partitions in that
[13:35] <petsounds> http://pastebin.com/m723007e9
[13:35] <histo> no one has said anything in #ubuntu for 5 minutes?
[13:35] <Noqq> rconan: I dunno, I bought the netbook as it was.
[13:35] <Pici> histo: yes
[13:35] <Lasivian> what is the "bs" option of the dd command?
[13:35] <rconan> Noqq: sounds like an odd partition layout... what is the 2GB of stuff?
[13:36] <histo> Pici: is there a netsplit or something going on that i'm missing with this client?
[13:36] <Pici> histo: just no questions or answers :)
[13:36] <Noqq> rconan: Don't know, when I was in Windows itself, only C and D were actual drives where i could in stall stuff in it. Further there was nothing else.
[13:36] <shadeslayer> petsounds: see line 135?
[13:36] <Noqq> rconan: I only got 1HDD, doesn't fir in more in a netbook.
[13:36] <Noqq> fit*
[13:36] <shadeslayer> petsounds: http://pastebin.com/d5b82fbb6
[13:37] <rconan> ok then... I'd say delete the 3rd and 4th partitions and make new ones for ubuntu in the space at the end of the drive (you did say you'd shrank D right?)
[13:37] <Noqq> Ye
[13:37] <Noqq> rconan: But I don't know if it's safe to delete those partitions.
[13:37] <petsounds> i see it, and then?
[13:37] <shadeslayer> see my paste,replace line 135 with line 135 in http://pastebin.com/d5b82fbb6
[13:37] <rconan> Noqq: if it's visible in windows it can hardly be being used :p
[13:38] <rconan> Noqq: worst case it probably has some recovery data on it which you don't need
[13:38] <petsounds> yes sir isee that
[13:38] <shadeslayer> petsounds: in your menu.lst
[13:38] <wirechief> rconan maybe he can use the 12gb as all extended, once he creates that then make logical partitions from it  ;)
[13:38] <petsounds> replace it?
[13:39] <shadeslayer> yes
[13:39] <rconan> wirechief: he could but it sounds like he has 5GB of wasted stuff too
[13:39] <Noqq> wirenchief: Ye, that sounds better, but I don't know to make a extended
[13:39] <rconan> Noqq: if you boot a livecd I can run you through makign an extended partition using fdisk...
[13:40] <shadeslayer> petsounds: then save and run sudo update-grub and reboot
[13:40] <petsounds> ok
[13:40] <wirechief> rconan 12gb is not much room for extended though, you would really like to have the whole thing for partitioning.
[13:40] <Noqq> rconan: I currently got my bootable usb with a live version 9.04 running next to me on my netbook.
[13:40] <rconan> Noqq: you need to have a free primary partition number to make the extended in...
[13:40] <rconan> ok then... run fdisk
[13:40] <rconan> "fdisk /dev/sda" in fact
[13:40] <petsounds> done
[13:40] <Noqq> rconan: ... wich isn't possible, casue I got 4 partitions. C, D, FAT32, and the unkown one. Damn.. :(
[13:40] <rconan> oh... actually "sudo fdisk /dev/sda" even
[13:41] <shadeslayer> petsounds: so PC rebooting?
[13:41] <rconan> Noqq: run fdisk, we'll work something out
[13:41] <petsounds> no
[13:41] <Noqq> rconan: ok lemme lok it up
[13:41] <shadeslayer> petsounds: then please reboot
[13:41] <petsounds> ok
[13:41] <petsounds> brb
[13:41] <shadeslayer> bye
[13:42]  * shadeslayer has a suspicision he didnt run update-grub
[13:43] <shadeslayer> any command to see who is connected to my ad hoc network?
[13:43] <Noqq> rconan: ok, filled in the sudo command in the terminal, however, I received some notice about that my cylinders are at different rounds, wich can cause delay of booting stuff.
[13:45] <rconan> Noqq: doesn't matter
[13:45] <rconan> Noqq: is fdisk running now?
[13:45] <rconan> if so type "p" and pastebin what it says
[13:45] <petsounds> so far so good, thanks guru
[13:45] <Lasivian> sudo is one thing I have not managed to get used to, heh
[13:46] <shadeslayer> petsounds: no problem and im no guru,i just happened to have the same problem ;)
[13:46] <DASPRiD> hi there, where to find documentation about how to integrate a program with the new indicator-applet?
[13:47] <shadeslayer> bye guys,see ya later and keep up the awesome work ;)
[13:47] <wirechief> shadeslayer try nmap <IP_ADDRESS>/24 you can see if you have ports open
[13:50] <Noqq> rconan: http://pastebin.com/m7500c2a9
[13:51] <petsounds> one more question shadeslayer, i am installing ubuntu 8. 10 on my gf pc, since she doesn't have internet connection in her house. i am using aptonCD from my pc to install other program like inkscape, vlc, and gstreamer codec, but it seems error. i do it three times and still error. what did i miss?
[13:51] <coz_> dependencies
[13:52] <petsounds> more detail please
[13:53] <coz_> petsounds, I havenet use aptoncd for a while  and I am not sure about this however...if you install,, say inkscape... from the repository ..it wil also pull down necessary dependencies  it needs in order to run
[13:53] <coz_> petsounds, do you remember the error messages?
[13:53] <rconan> Noqq: that looks dodgy... apparently EEEs use those last two partitions for "Boot Booster" whatever that is
[13:54] <Noqq> rconan: Strange, there is a Netbook Remix for 9.04, why wouldn't I be able to install it?
[13:54] <petsounds> i forget but when i open add/remove programs it is asking for cd with ubuntu inside
[13:54] <coz_> petsounds,  ok and you have that cd correct?
[13:55] <Noqq> rconan: Or I could go and install everything in D:\. Then I still got 60gb left for Windows. and 60gb for Ubuntu.
[13:55] <cousin_luigi> hello
[13:55] <cousin_luigi> what is the update applet called?
[13:55] <coz_> cousin_luigi,  update-manager  ?
[13:56] <rconan> Noqq: that would work
[13:56] <cousin_luigi> coz_: I mean the one that appears in the tray
[13:56] <Noqq> rconan: Thank for help though, got driving lessons now.
[13:56] <petsounds> i insert that but no luck, still error. is there a way to install program without having internet connection? i try to download on getdeb.net but i can find vlc or inkscape there
[13:56] <rconan> Noqq: cool.. have fun
[13:56] <rconan> don't know if I'll be aroudn when you get back
[13:56] <petsounds> * can't
[13:56] <Noqq> rconan: Thanks! :)  And I will see how I will do that with D:\
[13:56] <rconan> but someone will be able to help
[13:56] <Ventero> cousin_luigi: update-manager?
[13:56] <coz_> cousin_luigi,  I believe that is part of the update-manager  not sure though
[13:57] <coz_> cousin_luigi,  update notification
[13:57] <wirechief> Nogg  you best have a external backup before you decide to modify that EEE  otherwise you could lose your windows and not have a recovery
[13:57] <coz_> cousin_luigi,   update-notifier
[13:57] <cousin_luigi> coz_: thanks
[13:58] <coz_> cousin_luigi,  no problem
[13:58]  * wirechief oh well.
[13:58] <cousin_luigi> coz_: oh..it was running already
[13:58] <cousin_luigi> but not notifying