[04:51] <F40PH> !ops
[04:51] <ubot3> Help! lamont, zul, T-Bone, mdz, or jdub
[04:51] <F40PH> !ops
[08:08] <iD_J> could someone explain to me what this means by "fix released"? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/356392
[08:08] <ubot3> Malone bug 356392 in linux "[Acer, inc. Aspire 6530G] suspend/resume failure [non-free: fglrx]" [Undecided,Fix released]
[08:37] <iD_J> could someone explain to me what this means by "fix released"? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/356392
[08:37] <ubot3> Malone bug 356392 in linux "[Acer, inc. Aspire 6530G] suspend/resume failure [non-free: fglrx]" [Undecided,Fix released]
[08:40] <amitk> iD_J: it means that the fix is available in a kernel update. But since you reported this on a 9.10 system and the 'fix' is to upgrade to 2.6.32, that status isn't right
[08:42] <smb> Well it is right as the default task is always the development release. So if the status should be tracked for Karmic, this needs a nomination and so on
[08:43] <apw> yeah i think the status is changed incorrectly, this seems to be working with mainline 2.6.32 and not with lucid kernels
[08:44] <amitk> smb: i guess my point was the status was changed to fix released w/o opening a nomination for karmic (and probably makring it won't fix)
[08:44] <smb> amitk, Ok, yeah
[08:45] <smb> apw, I is probably working with lucid. The test was 9.10 (Kramic) with 2.6.32
[09:21] <iD_J> it doesn't work with lucid
[09:21] <iD_J> only the mainline kernel
[09:25] <smb> iD_J, Ok so then its definitely the wrong status
[09:28] <iD_J> smb: would you be able to sort it out? i don't really understand this stuff that much
[09:31] <smb> iD_J, Can do. But this looks as needing a bit more clarification / debugging. If I read this correctly it was not only the kernel that got changed, but also the graphics driver. Is that right?
[09:33] <iD_J> smb: the driver doesn't make a difference
[09:34] <iD_J> the problem occurs with the open source one and the proprietary one
[09:35] <smb> iD_J, Ok, yeah I saw there is a previous comment which is clearer. Which version of the mainline kernel did you use? And is it possible to go backwards in the mainline build to see when it stops working?
[09:35] <iD_J> smb: i used the one i was asked to use, 2.6.32
[09:35] <iD_J> i can do that, but it would have to be later today or maybe tomorrow
[09:36] <smb> iD_J, That would be ok. I add some comments to the bug and set it back to triaged (open)
[09:53] <iD_J> smb: thank you =]
[09:54] <smb> iD_J, np :)
[10:22] <matti> ;]
[10:53]  * apw slams the lucid build system into karmic as an experiment
[10:58] <abogani> Are there problems running a .31 kernel on Lucid? For example with udev or usplash?
[10:59] <apw> abogani, a stock .31 is not expected to boot
[11:00] <abogani> apw: Ok. How can armel kernel boot?
[11:01] <apw> its not a stock .31 kernel, it is a kernel we have crafted for the purpose
[11:02] <apw> why do you want to put a .31 kernel on lucid?
[11:04] <abogani> apw: linux-rt is stick on .31
[11:05] <apw> i don't suppose i want to know why you need an -rt kernel
[11:06] <apw> at a minimum you would need the devfs patches and module.builtin patches from the fsl-imx51 branch to have a hope of booting correctly
[11:07] <abogani> apw: Ok. I'll take a look. Thanks!
[11:07] <apw> is there not an rt patch set for .32 yet?
[11:18] <abogani> apw: No unfortunately
[15:10] <hyperair> has anyone heard of an issue where touchpad and keyboard of a notebook doesn't work under any linux kernel? workaround being passing this kernel option: i8042.noaux
[15:15] <smb> Hm noaux, I thought disables the use of the auxillary ports which normally ps/2 mice are connected to. But in general there were cases where that was broken.
[15:15] <hyperair> yeah, the touchpad doesn't work in either case.
[15:15] <hyperair> but the keyboard only works with noaux set
[15:16] <smb> Ah, ok. Make more sense that way
[15:16] <hyperair> weird
[15:16] <hyperair> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1098767 <-- this
[15:17] <hyperair> a friend of mine
[15:22] <smb> Well it sounds as enabling the aux port causes so much noise/problems that the keyboard gets affected as well. The best chance is to create an upstream bugzilla report (probably after testing the latest mainline build) and try to get the attention of Dmitry Torokhov, who is the maintainer
[15:24] <smb> If you boot with i8042.debug=1, you can gather a lot of debugging data in dmesg for him
[15:24] <hyperair> smb: there was some. but i can't make head of tail out of it
[15:24] <hyperair> smb: i've got his /var/log/kern.log here.
[15:25] <hyperair> smb: also, windows works fine, it seems
[15:25] <smb> Yes, the output is horribly cryptic, a very basic protocol.
[15:26] <hyperair> smb: http://people.ubuntu.com/~hyperair/kern.log
[15:28] <hyperair> it's kinda huge, but there are several test cases -- with noaux, with nomux, and with debug
[15:28] <smb> While that is a lot, I don't see any messages that would be there if using the i8042.debug=1
[15:29] <hyperair> all the way at the bottom
[15:29] <hyperair> look for "i8042"
[15:34] <smb> Ah, ok. Let me see whether I can find my ps2 cheat-sheet
[16:00] <smoser> jjohansen, ping
[16:00] <smoser> bug 520015
[16:00] <ubot3> Malone bug 520015 in linux-meta-ec2 "bad dependencies on karmic linux-ec2, linux-image-ec2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/520015
[16:04] <smb> hyperair, Hm ok: 20->read command byte returns 47 (does not decode well on my sheet, maybe too old), then 60 sets a new value. d3 tries to echo the value 5a back trough a loopback which fails. Then a9 is a aux test which seems to timeout (fe) Then the command byte is updated again with 47 and finally a f2 which I don't find in my doc.
[16:05] <smoser> last night my karmic build ended up with 2 -virtual kernels and 2 -ec2 kernels in the image. i think its related to bug above. maybe it will fix itself?  something in the dependency resolution of linux-virtual and linux-ec2 ended up pulling 2 '-image' packages.
[16:05] <smb> Bah, gone already. No patience those guys
[16:06] <smb> smoser, There had been a mismatch in the meta and the kernel version numbers. In theory it should be fixed by now... Though I need to look
[16:20] <jjohansen> smoser: I am hoping it will correct it self
[16:21] <smoser> me too :)
[16:21] <jjohansen> smoser: if it shows up again tonight, we will take another look at it
[17:18] <Laibsch> Hi
[17:26] <Laibsch> Keybuk suggested that bug 375148 may be a kernel bug.  Is it true that recent kernels don't allow nonfree drivers to have device nodes?
[17:26] <ubot3> Malone bug 375148 in sl-modem "no more /dev/ttySL0 device node" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/375148
[17:29] <Keybuk> not a kernel bug
[17:29] <Keybuk> a change
[17:29] <tgardner> Keybuk, one of the GPL only functions?
[17:30] <Keybuk> tgardner: yeah, I have a vague feeling/memory about it
[17:31] <tgardner> it wouldn't surprise me
[17:31] <Keybuk> was wrt to the nvidia driver at plumbers last year
[17:32] <Keybuk> drivers/base/core.c:EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(device_register);
[17:32] <AnAnt> Hello
[17:33] <Keybuk> though in the sl-modem case, tty_register_device() is still permitted
[17:33] <Keybuk> __register_chrdev is permitted too
[17:35] <Keybuk> so it should be possible to make the driver work given the current permitted interfaces
[17:36] <tgardner> Laibsch, ^^
[17:37] <Laibsch> great news
[17:37] <Laibsch> unfortunately, something does not work
[17:37]  * Laibsch needs to compile the latest package and restest
[17:39] <Keybuk> Laibsch: you don't even need udev now of course
[17:39] <Keybuk> we switched to devtmpfs in lucid
[17:39] <Keybuk> so if the module is right, the kernel will make the device node in /dev for you
[17:48] <AnAnt> Keybuk: thanks
[18:11] <AnAnt> Keybuk: how about device_create, that's GPL only ?
[18:12] <AnAnt> Keybuk: I found some old code for sl-modem that uses device_create, device_destroy, class_create, class_destroy
[18:17] <Keybuk> those are GPL only
[18:19] <AnAnt> is device_create similar to tty_register_device ?
[18:20] <Keybuk> device_create is the underlying function
[18:20] <Keybuk> I think it's ok if you register a tty device
[18:20] <Keybuk> which is ultimately what you're after
[18:20] <Keybuk> afaict the intent is that out-of-kernel non-GPL drivers can't invent new subsystems
[18:20] <Keybuk> or new classes of devices
[18:20] <Keybuk> but can implement a device which is handled by a kernel subsystem
[18:21] <Keybuk> ie. you can write a non-GPL network driver, serial driver, tty driver, etc.
[18:21] <Keybuk> but you can't write a non-GPL driver for something interesting ;)
[18:22] <AnAnt> so, what should I use instead of the device_destroy, class_create, class_destroy for tty ?
[18:23] <Keybuk> tty_register_device I guess
[18:23] <Keybuk> if it does what you need
[18:24] <AnAnt> ok
[18:25] <Keybuk> then the ttySL0 will actually come from the tty subsystem
[18:25] <Keybuk> which is probably right too
[18:25] <AnAnt> tty_{un}register_driver instead of  class_{create,destroy} ?
[18:25] <Keybuk> that kind of thing yeah
[18:25] <Keybuk> the struct would change
[18:26] <Keybuk> look at the existing modem drivers
[18:26] <AnAnt> Keybuk: can you tell me of an existing modem driver ?
[18:26] <Keybuk> the entire contents of driver/serial ?
[18:29] <smb> iD_J, So you need more info on the suspend bug from this morning? So just for recap: 2.6.31 (ubuntu) works, 2.6.32 (ubuntu) not, 2.6.32 (mainline) does work and <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS> work as well
[18:29] <AnAnt> ok, thanks
[18:31] <iD_J> nobody's tested 2.6.31 ubuntu
[18:32] <iD_J> i remember it didn't work from karmic though
[18:32] <smb> iD_J, Ok, so 2.6.31 was just a misunderstanding on my side
[18:39] <iD_J> what happens next then?
[18:40] <manjo> iD_J, do you have a launchpad bug ?
[18:41] <smb> iD_J, In theory this info gives the chance to find out what is different between Lucid kernel and <IP_ADDRESS> and try to think of what might cause it
[18:41] <smb> manjo, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/356392
[18:41] <ubot3> Malone bug 356392 in linux "[Acer, inc. Aspire 6530G] suspend/resume failure [non-free: fglrx]" [Medium,Triaged]
[18:41] <manjo> smb, thanks
[18:44] <iD_J> that doesn't sound easy
[19:01] <abogani> Is it possible that a .31 kernel is able to boot on a Lucid system? If I don't misunderstand this don't should be possible.
[19:02] <iD_J> it booted fine
[19:06] <abogani> Someone told me that there are problems with udev and usplash if the kernel is < .32
[19:07] <iD_J> i didn't have any problems
[19:07] <iD_J> plymouth didn't work with any of the mainline kernels though
[19:09] <abogani> iD_J: Ok so I have misunderstand all. Do you know what commit fix this?
[19:11] <iD_J> commit fix?
[19:11] <bjf> abogani, you don't want to mix new userspace with older kernels
[19:11]  * JFo thinks that would break in nefarious ways
[19:11] <abogani> bjf: I don't have choice.
[19:12] <bjf> abogani, why would you not have a choice?
[19:12] <abogani> bjf: linux-rt
[19:12] <bjf> abogani, you can expect breakage in stange and interesting ways
[19:14] <abogani> bjf: Are there some documentation about this problem?
[19:15] <bjf> abogani, not specifically, you are just mixing abi's and that's not good
[19:15] <tgardner> you guys are just being paranoid. .31 works fine with Lucid
[19:16] <tgardner> note that we have 2 ARM branches based on .31 working under Lucid.
[19:17] <abogani> tgardner: Could you confirm that problems with udev and usplash simply don't exists? And with Plymouth?
[19:18] <tgardner> abogani, plymouth is a known issue. I've removed it for the time being. other then that things ought to "just work"
[19:19] <abogani> tgardner: Ok thanks.
[19:20] <iD_J> what happens with my problem now then?
[19:20] <iD_J> is there anything i can do to move things along a bit?
[20:02] <iD_J> bad times...
[20:11] <Laibsch> I'd like to see if http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15180 is fixed for karmic.  But I'm not sure anymore how to recompile a Ubuntu kernel.
[20:11] <ubot3> bugzilla.kernel.org bug 15180 in Wireless "new atheros chipset" [Normal,Resolved: code_fix]
[20:11] <Laibsch> http://blog.avirtualhome.com/2009/11/03/how-to-compile-a-kernel-for-ubuntu-karmic/ used to work nicely, but broke recently (just a few days ago)
[20:11] <Laibsch> how am I supposed to recompile a kernel with a patch that is not in mainline, yet?


[09:47] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[11:52] <waltman> Big news in ubuntu this week! https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/10/a-detailed-look-at-ubuntus-new-experimental-zfs-installer/
[11:52] <waltman> Seems odd to me that this would come out right before the 19.10 release.


[00:00] <Neon_> look for graphics card drivers
[00:00] <Neon_> GilesM
[00:00] <Neon_> you might run into the same problem i am though
[00:00] <Neon_> which means you'll have to play the waiting game
[00:05] <acr0nym> lol I've seen enough of kubuntu to switch back to gnome ;)
[00:05] <acr0nym> it's nice but I don't have the time to learn a new environment
[00:05] <acr0nym> and it doesn't seem very netbook friendly
[00:06] <ikus060> acr0nym: I agree with you
[00:06] <ikus060> acr0nym: you better stay on gnome for a Netbook
[00:07] <acr0nym> brb
[00:11] <acr0nym> time to remove kubuntu
[00:11] <acr0nym> should I use the remove command or the purge command?
[00:11] <acr0nym> and will it remove all of the extra applications it installed?
[00:12] <Tommy_Bres> kinda new to ubuntu, using it from a flash drive, out of nowhere pidgin crashes on every open... any ideas? (9.04)
[00:13] <acr0nym> hmm what's the command to remove kubuntu-desktop lol
[00:14] <mprice> try opening pidgin in the terminal it's probably segfaulting, Tommy_Bres
[00:14] <acr0nym> not getting any help now since there are only kubuntu fans in here :p
[00:14] <Tommy_Bres> dumb question, how do i open it in terminal :P
[00:14] <Logi> acr0nym: just use kopete, it rocks :-P
[00:14] <mprice> type in "pidgin"
[00:14] <Tommy_Bres> ...that's too easy lol
[00:14] <acr0nym> moi or Tommy_Bres
[00:15] <Tommy_Bres> as soon as i open it via terminal, it closes
[00:15] <Tommy_Bres> hmm i sudo pidgin'd and it gave me the "add account" screen
[00:16] <Logi> whyat language is the word ubuntu taken from again?
[00:16] <acr0nym> african
[00:16] <acr0nym> omg lol how do I uninstall kubuntu with all of its applications
[00:16] <mprice> so what does it say when you it open then closes pidgin
[00:16] <Logi> (I'd google it, but I'm purging and re-instaling the X-server to see if my machine stops crashing, and links just isn't fun to use on today's web)
[00:16] <acr0nym> once you go kubuntu yonever go back?u
[00:16] <Logi> acr0nym: what african?
[00:16] <maco> acr0nym: since when is that a language?
[00:16] <BUGabundo> Logi: south african
[00:16] <maco> that's a *continent*
[00:16] <acr0nym> looooool
[00:16] <acr0nym> sorry about that
[00:16] <BUGabundo> ubuntu.com/about
[00:16] <Logi> BUGabundo: ok
[00:16] <acr0nym> south african?
[00:16] <maco> BUGabundo: S. Africans speak English
[00:17] <BUGabundo> they have many dialects
[00:17] <maco> i *think* Swahili
[00:17] <Logi> see, I was dating a native Swahili speaker and thought she'd recognize it, but no...
[00:17] <maco> ok lady next to me says "swahili"
[00:17] <Logi> maco: or dutch or any number of native languages
[00:17] <mprice> acr0nym: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome
[00:17] <maco> guy on the other side says its in a bunch of Bantu languages
[00:17] <maco> wow all the people around us know about ubuntu
[00:17] <Tommy_Bres> mprice it worked :)
[00:18] <Tommy_Bres> should it keep working from now on when i open it through the gui?
[00:18] <maco> and the lady next to me is talking about how debian stock kernels dont boot on her hardware
[00:18]  * BUGabundo feels forced to go look for it in the wiki bah
[00:18] <Logi> maco: bunch-of-bantu sounds more likely. That would be S.Africa (iirc) and would excuse my Kenyan friend :)
[00:18] <Tommy_Bres> i'll have to gewgle "segfault" so i know what the heck caused it
[00:18] <acr0nym> should I use kubuntu or kubuntu kde4 version?
[00:18] <maco> um well kde 3 's not in jaunty....
[00:18] <Logi> acr0nym: 09.04 is kde4 unless you go for the reently announced and unsupported kde3 remix
[00:19] <mprice> you have Jaunty installed or Intrpedid, acr0nym?
[00:19] <acr0nym> I installed with sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[00:19] <acr0nym> jaunty
[00:19] <acr0nym> so that would be kde4?
[00:19] <maco> yeah kde4' the only option
[00:19] <acr0nym> :)
[00:19] <mprice> Tommy_Bres, does it open without using sudo?
[00:19] <Tommy_Bres> it opened and closed immediately without sudo
[00:20] <acr0nym> Package adept is not installed, so not removed
[00:20] <acr0nym> heh it won't even work
[00:20] <Tommy_Bres> but sudo gave me the add accounts screen, lost my info, but it works now
[00:20] <Halow> That's because sudo runs it as root, and root never had any pidgin account info.
[00:21] <mprice> but you don't want to run pidgin with superuser rights
[00:21] <Tommy_Bres> yeah halow thats what i figured
[00:21] <Tommy_Bres> sure i do, pidgin can superuse me all day
[00:21] <BUGabundo> ok maco Logi /home/bugabundo/MisterDocExpressDemo2009.exe
[00:21] <BUGabundo> bah
[00:21] <BUGabundo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28philosophy%29
[00:21] <BUGabundo> correct link
[00:21] <maco> haha
[00:21]  * BUGabundo needs to read before enter
[00:22] <Tommy_Bres> someone in another channel is telling me to change the accounts.xml file to disable the XMPP account from connecting on startup
[00:22] <Tommy_Bres> he said that's what was giving him hell
[00:22] <mprice> it could be a possibililty
[00:22] <Logi> Tommy_Bres: of course, that would make it quite a bit less useful...
[00:22] <BUGabundo> "In the Shona language, the majority spoken language in Zimbabwe after English, ubuntu is unhu."
[00:23] <Tommy_Bres> so how could i do that?
[00:23] <Tommy_Bres> where's the accounts.xml file
[00:24] <mprice> check under /etc/pidgin
[00:24] <Tommy_Bres> lol he says it's in ~/.purple
[00:24] <Tommy_Bres> i didnt know that directory existed o.o
[00:24] <Halow> ~/.purple is where it is.
[00:24] <Logi> ok... I now have no x server and my only network is a wireless one using wpa2 and I have no idea how to connect it without using network-manager
[00:24] <mprice> see shows you how much i use pidgin
[00:24] <Logi> the x-server had better install again
[00:25] <BUGabundo> Tommy_Bres: ~/.purple/
[00:25] <Logi> is threre really no cli/curses based network-manager client?
[00:25] <acr0nym> omg lol it's not even possible to uninstall kubuntu
[00:25] <acr0nym> you guys didn't tell me that before installing :P
[00:25] <Halow> apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop
[00:25] <Tommy_Bres> hahah
[00:25] <mprice> did you ask anybody acr0nym before you installed it
[00:25] <BUGabundo> Halow: that won't do it
[00:25] <Halow> But it won't take its many packages with it. =(
[00:25] <Halow> No?
[00:26] <acr0nym> well they implied it ;)
[00:26] <BUGabundo> just run $ sudo apt-get autoremove
[00:26] <BUGabundo> Halow: that just removes the metapackage... not the dependecies
[00:26] <mprice> sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop should remove most of the packages
[00:26] <BUGabundo> acr0nym: just run $ sudo apt-get autoremove
[00:26] <BUGabundo> after removing kubuntu-desktop
[00:27] <acr0nym> I'm using sudo apt-get remove --purge kde'*'
[00:27] <acr0nym> now
[00:27] <Tommy_Bres> i can't just gedit the accounts.xml file?
[00:27] <Halow> Sure you can.
[00:27] <BUGabundo> acr0nym: better not
[00:27] <Tommy_Bres> still a noob but i thought sudo gedit ~/.purple/accounts.xml.save would be the thing to do
[00:27] <Tommy_Bres> it shows me a blank file...
[00:27] <acr0nym> whoops lol why not?
[00:28] <Halow> Tommy_Bres: Take out the .save at the end.
[00:28] <Tommy_Bres> oh ok
[00:28] <Tommy_Bres> it shows that in the directory
[00:28] <mprice> !gksudo | Tommy_Bres
[00:28] <acr0nym> meh it's almost too attractive to just reinstall ubuntu now
[00:28] <acr0nym> still have the install iso on the usb stick
[00:28] <Tommy_Bres> :O ubottu
[00:29] <Tommy_Bres> i've ALWAYS Been told to just sudo it
[00:29] <acr0nym> would take about 15 in
[00:29] <acr0nym> min
[00:29] <mprice> it would be easier to to just reinstall Ubuntu acr0nym
[00:29] <Logi> acr0nym: wait until the release...
[00:29]  * Tommy_Bres feels mislead :(
[00:30] <Tommy_Bres> if i just delete this accounts.xml file will it have me re-adding the accounts and such?
[00:30] <Tommy_Bres> i dont know if theres something else it depends on, but if i can just remove this it'd be easier
[00:30] <Halow> It'll probably prompt you to give all your account's information again.
[00:30] <Tommy_Bres> ok cool
[00:31] <acr0nym> hmm seems everything from kubuntu got removed with that command :)
[00:31] <Tommy_Bres> uhhhhhhh
[00:31] <Tommy_Bres> or it'll just start and crash again
[00:31] <Tommy_Bres> even with accounts.xml deleted
[00:31] <BUGabundo> mprice: don't advice a user to run an editor with admin privigles on a userspace file! it will get lock and with the wrong permitions
[00:32] <Logi> ok... X server purged and re-installed. Let me now try to crash the damned thing
[00:33] <Logi> (again)
[00:34] <Logi> so far so good...
[00:35]  * Logi is still alive
[00:36] <mprice> what do you mean an userspace file?
[00:37] <Halow> Don't need to sudo for anything in ~/, I guess.
[00:37] <Logi> just to mgs interesting I'm launching my java IDE and the bloated crap servers that I write
[00:37] <Logi> s/mgs/make things/
[00:38] <Halow> Tommy_Bres: Perhaps you could try to rename the ~/.purple/ folder?
[00:38] <Logi> ~/.magenta/ is nice...
[00:38] <Logi> quite similar
[00:38] <Halow> ;P
[00:39] <mprice> that will cause problems with pidgin
[00:39] <Halow> Let's see...
[00:39] <BUGabundo> mprice: yep, Halow is correct
[00:39] <crashedsystem> My Jaunty system (ext4, running compiz) is currently frozen. I've SSHd into it, and I can make files and SCP them back and forth. Anyone have an idea what info I can collect that will be useful?
[00:40] <BUGabundo> crashedsystem: bryce emailed to -devel ML
[00:40] <BUGabundo> a wiki link with the proper debug procedure
[00:40] <crashedsystem> ok
[00:40] <Mulder> ~/.xsession-errors  and /var/log/X.org.something
[00:40] <BUGabundo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Freeze
[00:40] <crashedsystem> Thinking compiz might be the problem, I killed it. this did not help
[00:41] <Mulder> crashedsystem, you have ati driver?
[00:41] <crashedsystem> intel
[00:41] <Logi> BUGabundo: ah, I'm going to have a look at that, in case my reinstall of the xserver doesn't help
[00:41] <Mulder> ah
[00:41] <Logi> crashedsystem: same as me...
[00:41] <Neon_> anyone irc chat using quassel?
[00:41] <Logi> I just don't have any other machine ot ssh in from when I crash
[00:41] <BUGabundo> I'm running NV and metacity to see if NVidia and Compiz are the cause of my crashes
[00:42] <Logi> Neon_: I did for a couple of days before gfoing back to ssh+screen+irssi on a remote machine
[00:42] <BUGabundo> bug 359231
[00:42] <Logi> Neon_: it seamed quite reasonable
[00:42] <Logi> seemed
[00:42] <Neon_> oh
[00:42] <Neon_> cuz i'm clueless on how to get it to do data transfers
[00:43]  * Logi too tbh
[00:43] <Neon_> i keep getting timed out when i try
[00:44] <crashedsystem> Bugabundo, I got those two files. anything else?
[00:44] <BUGabundo> crashedsystem: don't know! that's all he asks for
[00:45] <crashedsystem> ok
[00:45] <Logissimo> Neon_: that could be a firewall issue?
[00:45] <Logissimo> Neon_: iirc irc file-transfers are ctcp, i.e. client-to-client so you need to be able to make a direct connection to the other machine
[00:45] <crashedsystem> I'm also getting kerneloops messages every time I start, and I am wondering if it is related
[00:46] <Logissimo> not that I really konw, I tend to irc from a nicely connected server somewhere
[00:48] <BUGabundo> crashedsystem: many things cause it
[00:48] <BUGabundo> I unsintaled it bevcause of that. I got one EVERY boot or resume
[00:48] <mprice> I see what your saying, Bugabundo if its in the /home directory it doesn't need superuser privileges.
[00:49] <BUGabundo> someone needs to tell mprice how to use "tab"
[00:56] <Neon_> turns out quassel doesn't support DCC yet
[00:56] <Neon_> another thing i have to wait on
[00:57] <Neon_> if its not done yet, i don't think they should of added it to jaunty
[00:57] <dtchen> then a lot of software would not be in Jaunty
[00:58] <dtchen> namely: linux, xserver-xorg, pulseaudio, compiz, ...
[00:58] <Neon_> yea but they replaced konversation with quassel
[00:58] <Neon_> they should of just kept konversation
[00:58] <dtchen> you can take that up with people in #kubuntu-devel
[00:58] <dtchen> whinging at us isn't going to change a thing ;-)
[00:59] <BUGabundo> humm where is this conversation coming from ?
[01:00] <Neon_> not wineing
[01:00] <Neon_> just saying
[01:01] <eegore> I like wine, a deep red tastes nice with a strong cheese
[01:01] <eegore> ;)
[01:05] <bjsnider> because konversation hasn't been ported to kde4 yet
[01:05] <crashedsystem> anyone know of a way to _force_ a halt over SSH, without doing a hard reset?
[01:06] <BUGabundo> crashedsystem: you can simulate a sysrq B
[01:06] <pwnguin> crashedsystem: shutdown -H?
[01:06] <BUGabundo> just sudo echo b to some /proc file
[01:06] <crashedsystem> the sysrq keys are not working for me
[01:07] <crashedsystem> and I've already lost the SSH connection :(
[01:07] <crashedsystem> time for a bloody hard reset...
[01:07] <dtchen> BUGabundo: echo b|sudo tee
[01:08] <BUGabundo> dtchen: lol
[01:08] <crashedsystem> I just hope I did not loose too much of what I was working on in the gimp
[01:09] <bjsnider> maybe you shouldn't be using an unstable distro then
[01:09] <crashedsystem> lol, true
[01:09] <bjsnider> if this is a production machine
[01:09] <crashedsystem> It is kinda ironic that I was making a business card for Crashsystems LLC when it happened.
[01:09] <bjsnider> it's a company that crashes computer systems?
[01:09] <bjsnider> that would be fun
[01:10] <crashedsystem> no, not quite
[01:10] <BUGabundo> crashedsystem: already found a nice logo?
[01:10] <coz_> hey guys what do I have to report when digital cameras dont work?
[01:10] <BUGabundo> coz_: only one
[01:10] <coz_> BUGabundo, well :)  actually I have three cameras and only the hp works
[01:10] <BUGabundo> LOL
[01:11] <coz_> BUGabundo, but the others worked in previous version and also in other distributions
[01:11] <coz_> suse  sabayon etc
[01:11] <coz_> but not on ubuntu 9.04:)
[01:12] <coz_> I gues I was asking what logs or reports to generate for this?
[01:12] <BUGabundo> lshal lsusb
[01:12] <coz_> ok
[01:12] <BUGabundo> and file agaist kernel
[01:12] <BUGabundo> $ ubuntu-bug linux
[01:12] <coz_> ok thank you guy
[01:12] <BUGabundo> the page that opens up will instruct you on what else it needs
[01:13] <BUGabundo> let us know the bug id after opened
[01:13] <crashsystems> back online
[01:14] <BUGabundo> we see
[01:14] <coz_> BUGabundo,  wold it best to plugin both nonworking cameras for those command readouts?
[01:15] <coz_> would
[01:17] <coz_> nevermind
[01:18] <Sylphid> hey all, could anyone tell me more about this update-manager warning?  ... upgradable but no canidateOrigin?!?:  xchat
[01:18] <BUGabundo> eheh I better
[01:18] <BUGabundo> never saw it
[01:18] <BUGabundo> just from you
[01:23] <melik> where are the IRC logs of this channel
[01:23] <melik> anyone get this error? > Encounted error 'Error in file /etc/dbus-1/system.d/xorg-server.conf, line 1, column 0: No element found' while parsing '/etc/dbus-1/system.d/xorg-server.conf
[01:23] <melik> at boot up
[01:24] <melik> i also get the same thing about /etc/dbus-1/system.d/wpa-supplement.conf
[01:24] <melik> or something like that
[01:26] <BUGabundo> melik: irclogs.ubuntu.com ?
[01:26] <melik> yeah found it BUGabundo thanks ;D
[01:27] <melik> KDE 4.2.1 looks really nice
[01:27] <BUGabundo> wait for 4.3
[01:27] <melik> i'd be a full convert to KDE if firefox, pidgin, and deluge were QT based
[01:27] <melik> oh and xchat
[01:28] <melik> i hate konqueror and kopete
[01:28] <melik> and quassel or w/e its called
[01:28] <Neon_> reallye?
[01:28] <Neon_> i love kopete
[01:28] <melik> i think pidgin is a lot nicer
[01:28] <Neon_> quassel does suck
[01:28] <Neon_> no DCC
[01:28] <melik> im using xchat right now
[01:29] <melik> Neon_, i suppose if i use kopete long enough
[01:29] <melik> i'll get used to it
[01:29] <Neon_> maybe
[01:29] <melik> i've used pidgin for the past 2 years
[01:29] <AK_Dave> whats wrong with using KDE, but using some gtk apps on the side? Gee, that'd be like using gnome but also liking Amarok
[01:29] <Alan> Hmmm, it appears that whatever the volume up/down keys hook into is completely detached from any mixer...
[01:29] <Alan> As in, the pretty UI think happens, but nothing happens to the sound
[01:30] <melik> AK_Dave, im sort of a perfectionist; and hate having 2 sets of libraries :P
[01:30] <melik> i'd prefer just using GTK or QT
[01:30]  * AK_Dave says "learn to live with it"
[01:30] <melik> :p
[01:30] <melik> although KDE does also have lots of nice progs.
[01:31] <AK_Dave> If you want to be purist gtk or qt, you just accept that you're limiting yourself to a certain slice of linux. Nothing wrong with that. Its your choice. But don't complain. You made the choice. Other people make other choices.
[01:31] <melik> dolphin and amarok are hell'a nice
[01:31] <BUGabundo> AK_Dave: I use GNOME and Kmail
[01:31] <bjsnider> melik, you hate konqueror, kopete, and qt. so why exactly are you using kde at all?
[01:31] <AK_Dave> I like k9copy and k3b, dolphin, and amarok. Dolphin can be especially useful.
[01:31] <BUGabundo> and I'll file bug on LP and upstream on any app that refuses to work well
[01:32] <melik> i dont hate QT
[01:32] <AK_Dave> No, you just want one set of libs.
[01:32] <melik> yep
[01:32] <melik> AK_Dave, i suppose ill have to learn to deal with having 2 sets of libs
[01:33] <melik> its not so bad
[01:33] <bjsnider> you can do that, but youneed to make compromises
[01:33] <AK_Dave> Ram and hard drive are much cheaper than they were a few years ago. I figure I can afford a few hundred extra megs on the drive, and I rarely tax the 2gb ram on this laptop anyways.
[01:33] <Daisuke-Ido> is there a caching issue (or would that be something on my end) 2-line paste:
[01:33] <Daisuke-Ido> E: The package cache file is corrupted
[01:33] <Daisuke-Ido> E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[01:33] <Neon_> just a notet to those that use kopete
[01:34] <Neon_> if you update to juanty it erases your msn messenger account
[01:34] <Neon_> cuz it renaims it to windows live
[01:34] <Neon_> renames**
[01:34] <BUGabundo> Daisuke-Ido: I get that every day for the past ~4 months
[01:34] <BUGabundo> no one could explain to me the root cause
[01:35] <bjsnider> why would renaming it destroy it?
[01:35] <AK_Dave> Just thank Microsoft for their infinite wisdom in renaming their stupid messenger thingy in the first place.
[01:35] <melik> i'll have to look into ktorrent; still havent tried it out
[01:36]  * AK_Dave really likes kde torrent clients
[01:38] <JanC> Daisuke-Ido: I have that too...
[01:39] <BUGabundo> melik: I like deluge followed by transmition
[01:40] <bjsnider> deluge used to be good before they updated it
[01:41] <bjsnider> it's tremendously sophisticated -- the only problem is it doesn't work
[01:41] <crashsystems> deluge? I love the new deluge
[01:42] <BUGabundo> I like it
[01:42] <BUGabundo> hope they fixed the complete not so complete downloads
[01:42]  * Barridus kicks Pulseaudio
[01:42] <Barridus> why, dear lord, are you back again?
[01:42] <dtchen> Barridus: it autospawns, why?
[01:43] <bjsnider> ah, there's mr. chen
[01:43] <Barridus> with autospawn=off in /etc/pulse/client.conf
[01:43] <crashsystems> I just reported bug 359817
[01:43]  * BUGabundo bets dtchen doesn't have a chance to sleep....
[01:43] <BUGabundo> yay
[01:43] <BUGabundo> one more intel bug
[01:43] <crashsystems> lol, indeed
[01:43] <Barridus> know of another way to disable pulseaudio, dtchen?
[01:43] <dtchen> Barridus: did you killall pulseaudio *after* changing client.conf ?
[01:44] <BUGabundo> crashsystems: so far so good... my system hasn't crash
[01:44] <crashsystems> lucky! you running intel gpu?
[01:44] <Kangarooo> !seen sn00p-
[01:44] <Kangarooo> !help
[01:44] <Barridus> dtchen, i believe so, but i'll do it again and reboot to verify.  brb
[01:45] <dtchen> barrif you're worried about it starting with GNOME session login, then you need to do...
[01:45] <dtchen> argh
[01:45] <Duckthis> What's the command to reboot an application from terminal?
[01:45] <BUGabundo> crashsystems: (12:41:59 AM) freenode: I'm running NV and metacity to see if NVidia and Compiz are the cause of my crashes
[01:45] <BUGabundo> (12:42:10 AM) freenode: bug 359231
[01:45] <Kangarooo> stop restart?
[01:46] <Duckthis> Yeah kinda
[01:46] <BUGabundo> Duckthis: you don't reboot apps. just OSs
[01:46] <Kangarooo> appache stop
[01:46] <BUGabundo> or services
[01:46] <Kangarooo> appache restart or appache start
[01:46] <BUGabundo> $ sudo /etc/init.d/apache restart
[01:46] <Kangarooo> yes :)
[01:46] <Duckthis> BUGabundo: Sorry, I mean restart "gnome-panel"
[01:47] <Kangarooo> just log out
[01:47] <BUGabundo> killall gnome-panel ?
[01:47] <Barridus> dtchen, pulseaudio is back...
[01:47] <bjsnider> killall gnome-panel
[01:47] <Duckthis> BUGabundo: I write sudo killall gnome-panel | sudo gnome-panel
[01:47] <dtchen> Barridus: you left before i finished
[01:47] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: I told you ..... 26 WPM -.... you have to train harder
[01:47] <Barridus> ok sorry, please continue
[01:47] <dtchen> Barridus: anyhow, you need to also disable pulseaudio on session startup
[01:47] <BUGabundo> Duckthis: no sudo to start it
[01:48] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, i'm at about 46, but i'm sleepy
[01:48] <Duckthis> BUGabundo: So the same command without sudo after the "|"?
[01:48] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: run typespeed and send me a printscreen of that
[01:48] <Barridus> dtchen, session startup?
[01:48] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, why?
[01:48] <dtchen> Barridus: the easiest way to do this is to touch $HOME/.pulse_a11y_nostart
[01:49] <Duckthis> Thanks for that guys
[01:49] <Barridus> dtchen, i'm not sure i understand that
[01:50] <Daisuke-Ido> bjsnider: just out of curiosity, what in deluge doesn't work for you?  1.1.6 is an excellent client (i don't use anything else)
[01:50] <dtchen> Barridus: PulseAudio starts automatically when you log into GNOME
[01:50] <Barridus> dtchen, yeah and i can't seem to get rid of it
[01:50] <dtchen> Barridus: you need to disable that, too, by running the command i gave you
[01:51] <dtchen> Barridus: namely, touch $HOME/.pulse_a11y_nostart
[01:52] <bjsnider> Daisuke-Ido, last used it about 6 months ago. gobbled up cpu time and crashed constantly (the 1.x version, not the older on in intrepid)
[01:52] <Daisuke-Ido> bjsnider: the 1.0.x releases were a big letdown, yes
[01:52] <Barridus> dtchen, oh, "touch" is part of the command. i did not understand
[01:52] <Barridus> how is that reversed then, dtchen?
[01:52] <Daisuke-Ido> 1.1.x has been a whole lot better.  i would put it on par with utorrent easily
[01:53] <dtchen> Barridus: rm $HOME/.pulse_a11y_nostart
[01:53] <tt5786> hey all im after some help i went to try and istall ubuntu 9.04 from 8.10 and now when it boots it boots into someting that says initramfs how can i fix this
[01:53] <Barridus> dtchen, ok thank you i will reboot and see if it's been disabled.
[01:53] <Barridus> brb
[01:53] <bjsnider> why does he want pulse disabled?
[01:54] <bjsnider> he wants to pooch his sound system?
[01:54] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: some ppl don't like it or have trouble with it
[01:54] <BUGabundo> for 1 month I had no sound, until Dan help me fix it
[01:54] <bjsnider> they shouldn't even be awqare of it
[01:54] <tt5786> hey all im after some help i went to try and istall ubuntu 9.04 from 8.10 and now when it boots it boots into someting that says initramfs how can i fix this
[01:56] <Barridus> you are my savior, dtchen.  thank you.
[01:56] <bjsnider> Barridus, why did you want pulseaudio disabled?
[01:57] <tt5786> hey all im after some help i went to try and istall ubuntu 9.04 from 8.10 and now when it boots it boots into someting that says initramfs how can i fix this please i want to get back into ubuntu
[01:57] <Barridus> bjsnider, it crackles like mad on my netbook
[01:57] <bjsnider> crackles
[01:57] <Barridus> like jiggling a loose speaker wire, i don't know another way to say it
[01:58] <AK_Dave> tt5786: jaunty is still beta. use at your own risk. apt-get dist-upgrade from intrepid is pretty dicey.
[01:58] <dtchen> Barridus: you should test my kernel
[01:58] <bjsnider> dtchen, is it an rt kernel?
[01:58] <dtchen> no
[01:59] <dtchen> RT has nothing to do with it
[01:59] <BUGabundo> tt5786: we read it the 1st time
[01:59] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: usually its bad drivers exposed by PA
[01:59] <dtchen> it's adjustment of buffer pointers
[02:00] <Barridus> i doubt my skills are up to the task for that yet, dtchen
[02:00] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, i understand that. lennart talks about it relentlessly
[02:00] <Barridus> "This problem report is damaged and cannot be processed."
[02:01] <rnd_null> Can Someone Give Me A Hand With 9.04 xorg.conf?
[02:01] <dtchen> BUGabundo has installed the test kernel; he might be willing to help you install it
[02:01] <dtchen> -> offline for a bit
[02:02] <AK_Dave> rnd_null: What Is Wrong With Your Xorg.Conf And Is It Related To Your Intermittent Left Shift Problem?
[02:02] <tt5786> yea well some help would be nice
[02:02] <BUGabundo> dtchen: I commented on the bug
[02:02] <tt5786> i have been asking for help since yesterday with no one givin gme the time of day
[02:02] <BUGabundo> dtchen: it helped a bit, but now I'm on NV (and not NVidia) and everything is slow
[02:03] <BUGabundo> tt5786: initframs probs are hard to fix
[02:03] <AK_Dave> tt5786: I think if you would have checked on irc or on ubuntuforums before you did your dist-upgrade you would have been discouraged to attempt it. You may be able to fix it, but you'll find it easiest to reinstall.
[02:03] <rnd_null> :) No, left shift is fine...Is there a way to get xorg.conf to be the "old" way and spell everything out for me?
[02:03] <BUGabundo> usually disabing acpi helps
[02:03] <AK_Dave> rnd_null: no
[02:04] <rnd_null> I'm having trouble switching from openchrome to vesa with Xubuntu...
[02:04] <tt5786> yes but i cant boot from CD as i dont have the CD with me but i do have ubuntu 8.10 on a SD card and i can still access a terminal through an old kernial i was just wondering if there is a way to install ubuntu from the SD in the terminal
[02:04] <AK_Dave> tt5786: Not that I'm aware of.
[02:05] <tt5786> so you cant just call sudo apt-get install (what ever)
[02:05] <Barridus> tt5786, you prolly need a usb adapter thingy that can be booted from the bios
[02:06] <tt5786> my bios does not boot from USB that i can see
[02:06] <Barridus> yay, evolution updates.  please be my fix.
[02:06] <AK_Dave> tt5786: You can install ubuntu from an SD card using terminal, but not with the setup you're likely to have. It requires, essentially, have a dd image of the ubuntu install you want conveniently backed up to the SD card and then booting from (inconveniently) something like a USB stick.
[02:06] <BUGabundo> tt5786: is it a new laptop?
[02:06] <AK_Dave> tt5786: 1999 called, and they want their bios back
[02:06] <tt5786> its an Asus A8Jp with a dule boot of Windows Vista and Ubuntu
[02:06] <BUGabundo> tt5786: if so, its not from USB... the BIOS sees it an external disk
[02:07] <tt5786> ok
[02:07] <BUGabundo> tt5786: so you need to change the disk order (not the boot order) ... yeah confusing I kow
[02:08] <tt5786> i t only comes up with the internal HDD no usb or SD drivs
[02:08] <AK_Dave> tt5786: a usb thumb drive is a low budget item
[02:08] <Barridus> bios booting can be flakey
[02:08] <tt5786> i know
[02:08] <Barridus> tt5786, do what i did.  snag one of those "3 1gb thumb drive" packs.
[02:09] <Barridus> great for linux testbedding.
[02:09] <tt5786> im in OZ we not so lucky
[02:09] <BUGabundo> 16GiBs kyngston are sold at 23€ here
[02:09] <Barridus> yeah but you just need 1gb for a live "cd"
[02:09] <tt5786> true
[02:09] <AK_Dave> Barridus: Exactly. And then use a label maker. Label the thumb drives with linux distros and use those thumb drives as your portably reinstall tool kit. Investment: <$10US
[02:09] <Barridus> i got a hardy flash stick, a jaunty flash stick, and a slax one
[02:10] <Barridus> yep exactly AK_Dave
[02:10] <Neon_> what does a reinstall do?
[02:10] <Neon_> does it let you keep any files?
[02:11] <AK_Dave> Barridus: I have one stick dedicated to ubuntu. Right now it has Intrepid Server 386 on it. What it happens to have depends on which Ubuntu flavor I want. But I never get it confused with the rest of the heap of thumb drives because every one has an external label.
[02:11] <Neon_> or do you mean a total OS reinstall?
[02:11] <Barridus> ok i lied, i still need to re-label my Kubuntu intrep to Ubuntu Jaunty
[02:11] <BUGabundo> Neon_: it does, IF you DON'T select FORMAT from manual disk
[02:11] <Neon_> cool
[02:11] <Barridus> AK_Dave, yeah i use one of those thermal label makers on mine
[02:11] <BUGabundo> Neon_: since Hardy... cool feature
[02:12] <AK_Dave> Barridus: Yup, but I only label it once: "Ubuntu" and leave it alone. Same stick has had a dozen different versions of Ubuntu in the last 6 months.
[02:12] <wirechief> i tried putting kubuntu 9.06 on a stick and it drops to a intramsfs, I may try again on a different computer not sure what it doesnt like.
[02:13] <wirechief> ubuntu on a stick worked fine
[02:13] <AK_Dave> wirechief: couple people have reported "issues" installing kubuntu from a stick. My preference is to install Ubuntu and then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:13] <Barridus> AK_Dave, i'll prolly cut down on my ubuntu variant sticks soon, if jaunty keeps going as well as it has
[02:14] <BUGabundo1> back
[02:14] <BUGabundo1> stupid 3G dongle
[02:14] <wirechief> AK_Dave: yes i thought of that, perhaps when this gets released.
[02:14] <Barridus> i ran into issues with intrepid *stomps feet*, causing me to take that defensive stance with the distros
[02:14] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, having problems with your dongle?
[02:15] <AK_Dave> Barridus: I used to keep a wallet of CDs that I'd update regularly. Slackware, Supergrub, Knoppix, Puppy, Gparted Live, Mint, and an Ubuntu. Now I just keep an Ubuntu, a FreeDOS, and a Knoppix.
[02:15] <Barridus> i might take a crack at installing a persistent live usb
[02:15] <BUGabundo1> it just got disconnected and wouldn't connect again
[02:15] <AK_Dave> And those all on sticks, not CDs.
[02:15] <BUGabundo1> changed usbport, waited a bit, and I'm back in business
[02:15] <Barridus> AK_Dave, after toying with slax, i rather like the idea
[02:15] <Logi> has anything changed wrt dnsmasq to make info from a year ago invalid?
[02:16] <BUGabundo1> AK_Dave: no Clonezilla?
[02:16] <tt5786> thanks for the help guys
[02:16] <spaceBARbarian> i cant get pamusb-conf to detect my SD card, any ideas why ?
[02:17] <AK_Dave> BUG: Haven't tried it. Honestly, Knoppix has all the tools I'm likely to need. The FreeDOS stick is for BIOS upgrades. I just like having one of my sticks bootable with FreeDOS for that specific purpose. Otherwise it is a generic storage stick.
[02:17] <Barridus> yay, evolution exchange calendars works again!
[02:17]  * Barridus bows to the unknown savior(s)
[02:18]  * AK_Dave observed a upgrade to evolution within the last hour or two.
[02:18] <Barridus> nm.. it's still broke.  just delayed breaking.
[02:19] <Logi> Barridus: at work we just switched to google apps and dropped all MS servers. I could still cry for joy.
[02:19] <Barridus> maybe i'll just reboot to a fresh session (still unsure when that is needed or not).  brb
[02:19] <Barridus> i bet, Logi
[02:19] <AK_Dave> Every once in a while I need supergrub, but very rarely and the CD that I made of it is still good. Not current, but it'll do.
[02:19] <Barridus> my job is mostly attorneys, i doubt that could work for us.
[02:20] <Barridus> they like their iphones too much.
[02:20] <Barridus> (i'm not an atty, put the knife down)
[02:20] <Logi> Barridus: I'm pretty sure ophones could work with google mail and google calendar, actually
[02:20] <Barridus> the phones might
[02:20] <Barridus> but the technology is rarely the problem at my job :)
[02:20] <bjsnider> Logi, what are you trying to do, break microsoft's hold on the world?
[02:21] <Barridus> ok brb
[02:21] <Logi> Barridus: quite....
[02:21] <Logi> bjsnider: no, just enjoying the ride while others do the breaking
[02:21] <AK_Dave> Logi: Between Active Directory and Exchange, its hard to get rid of Windows Server.
[02:25] <Barridus> "The Evolution calendars have quit unexpectedly."  bugger.
[02:26] <Logi> AK_Dave: but once you dump those two...
[02:27] <AK_Dave> Logi: Don't hold your breath waiting for it.
[02:29] <OldGuest> hi
[02:29] <OldGuest> is there any specific issue with nvidia-settings not being loaded properly for new drv 1.8xx
[02:30] <bjsnider> no
[02:30] <OldGuest> secondly, why performance degreades if i try to overclock gpu
[02:30] <bjsnider> ask nvidia
[02:30] <OldGuest> hmm
[02:31] <spaceBARbarian> i cant get pamusb-conf to detect my SD card, any ideas why ?
[02:32] <AK_Dave> OldGuest: That'd be a cooling problem.   Not every business can.
[02:34] <Logi> not every business wants to
[02:34] <AK_Dave> Logi: True.
[02:34] <Logi> people keep using "can't" when they mean "can't be arsed to" or "I think something else is more important"
[02:35] <AK_Dave> Logi: Windows Server technicians are cheap and plentiful.
[02:36] <Raylz> AK_Dave: haha
[02:36] <bjsnider> and plentiful and cheap
[02:39] <OldGuest> how to find out which system wide configuration file is being loaded for x session
[02:39] <Barridus> can the new notification system (such as the pidgin messages) be disabled
[02:39] <OldGuest> or is being active
[02:39] <BUGabundo1> Barridus: sure. just disable the pidgin plugin
[02:40] <OldGuest> i mean, is being used or executed or loaded first or .....
[02:40] <Barridus> BUGabundo1, where is that done?  i have yet to mess with the new notification system
[02:42] <BUGabundo1> Barridus: pidgin->plugins->libnotify or somehing like that
[02:42] <Barridus> oh, duh.
[02:42]  * Barridus slaps forehead
[02:43] <Barridus> i was looking "too hard" for it, BUGabundo1
[02:44] <Barridus> now to remember what i was trying to fix 2 or 3 crash reports ago
[02:45] <spaceBARbarian> does anyone know if pamusb is supported in jaunty /
[02:57] <Neon_> hey guys, I'm dual booting but everytime I access my windows partition i have to submit my root password.  Anyone have a solution for this?
[03:05] <brad__> any recommended streaming apps to send video/music to my xbox 360?  I saw ushare/and twonky and tversity.. but was wondering if there was anything newer out there that people recommend?
[03:08] <un2him> anyone able to import pst files with the new evolution?
[03:09] <Tefad> NO.
[03:09] <bruce89> pst being?
[03:09] <un2him> outlook data file
[03:09] <Castawayz> i love jaunty
[03:10] <Castawayz> the ubuntu six month new release thing does wonders for my ocd
[03:10] <un2him> yep, jaunty rocks
[03:10] <un2him> and i've had no probs with ext4
[03:11] <Castawayz> a year from now we will be two weeks away from Lazy Lollipop


[06:07] <mborzecki> morning
[06:25] <zyga> goood morning
[06:25]  * zyga is back after the long weekend
[06:57] <mardy> hi all :-)
[06:58] <mardy> mborzecki: do you think I can merge https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10245? I cannot understand if the spread failures are related to my changes or not
[06:58] <mup> PR #10245: cmd/snap: exit normally if "snap changes" has no changes <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10245>
[07:00] <mborzecki> mardy: hey, let me look at the spread logs
[07:01] <mborzecki> mardy: looks like it was store issues, so i've restarted the tests workflow
[07:02] <pstolowski> morning
[07:02] <mborzecki> mardy: oh, and it's only possible to merge if the required workflows are successful
[07:02] <mborzecki> pstolowski: hey
[07:24] <mup> PR snapd#10250 opened: interfaces/camera: allow devices in /sys/devices/platform/**/usb* <Created by tsunghanliu> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10250>
[07:36] <zyga> hey pstolowski, mborzecki
[07:36] <mborzecki> zyga: hey, back from vacation?
[07:36] <zyga> yep
[07:36] <pstolowski> hey zyga
[07:36] <zyga> perfect for the one day of work left :D
[07:41] <mborzecki> haha, yeah friday is a good choice of a day to start your work week with
[07:41] <mardy> degville: hi, I'm not sure you are the right person for this topic, but after reading https://snapcraft.io/docs/base-snaps it's still not clear to me what core and core16 are (and how they differ)
[07:46] <zyga> mardy core and core16 are the same
[07:46] <zyga> core is the initial base snap
[07:46] <zyga> (nee ubuntu-core)
[07:46] <zyga> core16 never happened, it was supposed to be core without snapd
[07:46] <zyga> like core18 was
[07:48] <mardy> zyga: mmm... thanks. https://snapcraft.io/docs/glossary explains them a bit better, but says that core16 is still in development (which somehow sounds to me it's something new)
[07:49] <zyga> it's not really
[07:49] <zyga> not a priority
[07:49] <zyga> core is good enough
[07:49] <zyga> core16 may never happen
[07:50] <mardy> and core18, does it ship snapd?
[07:50] <zyga> nope
[07:50] <zyga> that's the entire point
[07:50] <zyga> snapd is a separate snap
[07:50] <zyga> so many possible bases can use it
[07:51] <mardy> mmm... so, the reason why "core" ships snapd, is that because "core" is more than a base snap, but rather a complete OS?
[07:51] <mardy> I hope I'm not shaming myself with silly questions :-D
[07:52] <zyga> core is the initial base snap
[07:52] <zyga> so it was easier to start with one image that has everything except for the kernel and bootloader
[07:52] <zyga> over time, it was clear this is not maintainable
[07:52] <zyga> so core18 was different
[07:52] <zyga> at the time we hoped to make core16 but we never managed to
[07:52] <zyga> (no time)
[07:53] <zyga> having core16 might have allowed us to transition everyone to base+snapd model and simplify some code
[07:53] <mardy> I see. So "core" is kind of not recommended anymore?
[07:53] <zyga> but this never happened and it would also require epochs to really work
[07:53] <zyga> and those were not implemented at the time
[07:53] <zyga> so no code/complexity saving was possible
[07:53] <zyga> core is just old, most people are much better off with core18 or core20
[07:53] <zyga> core is derived from ubuntu 16.04
[07:54] <mardy> got it, now it's more clear, thanks :-)
[07:55] <zyga> (epochs would allow us to remove support code from snapd and force everyone through a version of snapd that still supports both core and the new core16 and upgrade before going to a revision that would no longer understand core as a snap)
[07:55] <zyga> cheers :)
[07:55] <zyga> it's possible now but I don't think it's realistically going to happen
[08:13] <degville> mardy: I'm definitely the right person, and it's great you're bringing these things up - it's really valuable. I'll try and clear up the core core16 confusion. It's actually something I'm touching on with the end of standard support for 16.04, but it's never been clear.
[08:13] <zyga> hey degville :-)
[08:13] <degville> hello zyga!! lovely to see you! :)
[08:15] <zyga> it's been a while :)
[08:19] <mardy> mborzecki: after re-running the CI, more tests are passing, but threre's still some required test failing. Should I just keep retrying?
[08:21] <mardy> https://pipelines.actions.githubusercontent.com/xS8oSnypZkPEQZqiZgDaRp2kdvQJKbOY08TesHp7E8vn7g4hYR/_apis/pipelines/1/runs/25434/signedlogcontent/70
[08:22] <mborzecki> mardy: nah, it looks ok, that failure in snap-advise is related to snap store returning 403 unexpectedly
[08:23] <mborzecki> mardy: i've pinged mvo and pedronis to land the PR, they are the only ones with github permissions who can land prs into master when required systems failed the test workflow
[08:31] <mardy> mborzecki: thanks
[08:33] <mardy> one more question: is "privileged interface" a synonym for "interface with auto-connect=no"?
[08:36] <pedronis> mborzecki: hi, should https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9005 be closed?
[08:36] <mup> PR #9005: boot: support setting extra command line argument, bootloader interface tweaks <UC20> <⛔ Blocked> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9005>
[08:37] <mborzecki> pedronis: ah, thanks, i've closed it now
[08:37] <mardy> degville: when I'm in https://snapcraft.io/docs/process-for-aliases-auto-connections-and-tracks and click on the "@reviewers" link, I get to a 404. Is there a way to report such issues, or is it fine if I just ping you?
[08:39] <mup> PR snapd#9005 closed: boot: support setting extra command line argument, bootloader interface tweaks <UC20> <⛔ Blocked> <Created by bboozzoo> <Closed by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9005>
[08:40] <degville> mardy: it's absolutely fine to ping me. But (for reference), as everything's published on the forum, you can edit and write things directly my following the link to the forum post at the bottom. We don't typically have a formal process as I try to track edits.
[08:40] <degville> s/my/by
[08:42] <mardy> degville: ok, then I can try to fix this myself. Just I'm not sure what is the correct link for the reviewers group :-)
[08:43] <degville> mardy: I've fixed it. That's a weird one as it's forum-specific.
[08:44] <degville> mardy: updates can take a few minutes to propagate to the docs site, but it's done automatically.
[08:44] <mup> PR snapd#10245 closed: cmd/snap: exit normally if "snap changes" has no changes <Created by mardy> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10245>
[08:56] <zyga> good morning mvo
[08:57] <mvo> good morning zyga !
[09:43] <mardy> pstolowski: Hi! Can you please re-review https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10242?
[09:43] <mup> PR #10242: overlord: fix errors reported by linter <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10242>
[09:43] <pstolowski> mardy: sure
[09:46] <pstolowski> +1, thank you
[11:20] <mup> PR snapd#10226 closed: interfaces/udisks2: Allow access to the login manager via dbus <Created by alexmurray> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10226>
[11:23] <mardy> this is up for early feedback: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10251
[11:23] <mup> PR #10251: interfaces/builtin: introduce raw-input interface <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10251>
[11:24] <mardy> and to see if someone has any suggestion on which snap I could use as a starting point to test this interface
[11:25] <mup> PR snapd#10251 opened: interfaces/builtin: introduce raw-input interface <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10251>
[12:10] <mup> PR snapd#10252 opened: boot: reseal given keys when the respective boot chain has changed <Needs Samuele review> <Run nested> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10252>
[12:10] <mup> PR snapd#10253 opened: boot: helpers for manipulating current and good recovery systems list <Run nested> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10253>
[12:29] <pstolowski> re
[12:30] <mup> PR snapd#10254 opened: [RFC] overlord/devicestate: tasks for creating recovery systems at runtime <Skip spread> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10254>
[13:47] <mardy> it's me again :-) I've made a snap of libinput's debug-events tool, I installed it in --devmode, and I see these messages in the log: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QTTDvMrxmB/
[13:47] <mardy> I understand the last two, but why all the network ones?
[13:47] <mardy> are they really required, in order to talk to udevd?
[14:00] <mup> PR snapd#10250 closed: interfaces/camera: allow devices in /sys/devices/platform/**/usb* <Created by tsunghanliu> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10250>
[14:15] <mup> PR snapd#10255 opened: tests/nested/core/core20-create-recovery: verify that recovery system can be created at runtime <Run nested> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10255>
[15:05]  * cachio lunch
[16:42] <ijohnson> cachio: can you take a look at #10099 again when you have a chance?
[16:42] <mup> Bug #10099: paul: new changes from Debian require merging <Ubuntu:Fix Released by cjwatson> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/10099>
[16:42] <mup> PR #10099: tests/main/snapd-snap: build the snapd snap on all platforms with lxd <Test Robustness> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10099>
[16:46] <mup> PR snapd#9477 closed: tests/lib/fakestore: some improvements for testing console-conf things <Created by anonymouse64> <Closed by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9477>
[17:06] <mup> PR snapd#9396 closed: snapstate/check_snap: add snap_docker to shared system-usernames <Needs security review> <⛔ Blocked> <Created by anonymouse64> <Closed by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9396>
[17:06] <mup> PR snapd#9701 closed: snapcraft.yaml: allow configuring the snapd snap build via dev options files <Needs Samuele review> <Skip spread> <⛔ Blocked> <Created by anonymouse64> <Closed by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9701>
[17:14] <mup> PR snapcraft#3519 opened: requirements: correct setup.py install_requires and add tooling to freeze reqs <Created by cjp256> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3519>
[17:17] <cachio> ijohnson, left few questions there
[17:17] <ijohnson> cachio: thanks let me take a look
[17:18] <cachio> ijohnson, do we need also to run snapcraft clean?
[17:18] <cachio> from the project path
[17:18] <ijohnson> hmm, yeah probably not a bad idea to run snapcraft clean too
[17:19] <cachio> I mean, which is hte pwd when we run a command through defer
[17:19] <ijohnson> yeah let me think about this, I think the main reason I used $PROJECT_PATH as the pwd for tests.cleanup was because it's awkward to change dir in the command we use with `tests.cleanup`
[17:22] <cachio> let me make a quick test
[17:22] <cachio> to check that
[17:22] <cachio> I supose that just on restore is needed
[17:23] <cachio> I think the CD PROJ... needed is in restore
[17:24] <cachio> it is where we call tests.cleanup restore
[17:24] <cachio> there the deferred commands are executed
[17:25] <cachio> ijohnson, looking the code, I think we could avoid prepare and restore
[17:25] <cachio> it could be an improvement for tests cleanup
[19:06] <mup> PR snapd#10247 closed: tests: update spread url <Run nested> <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10247>
[20:31] <mup> PR snapd#10256 opened: snapstate: do not allow installing the same snap revision via IntallPath <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10256>
[21:01] <mup> PR snapd#10257 opened: tests: remove old fedora systems from tests <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10257>


[00:27] <doctormo> AlanBell: It's borg coding, you take out a c file, and it grows back again.
[01:36] <nigelb> I hear the Motorola Photon has Ubuntu and Android.
[01:37] <nigelb> This is interesting news.
[02:00] <doctormo> nigelb: facinating
[02:23] <duanedesign> nigelb: i thought these screenshots looked familiar http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/US-EN/Consumer-Product-and-Services/WEBTOP/Meet-WEBTOP
[02:30] <duanedesign> nigelb: I have read a couple articles on Webtop, and the Motorola site above, in the last couple weeks and never was it mentioned it is Ubuntu based. I did not realize it until you mentioned it.
[02:32] <nigelb> duanedesign: I did not either. A friend who works at Mozilla blogged and then hunted down.
[02:32] <nigelb> duanedesign: Ars rightly points out that webtop is Ubuntu based
[02:47] <duanedesign> nigelb: wish it was mentioned more, but nice to see it being used
[02:47] <duanedesign> ill have to read ars
[07:20] <dholbach> good morning
[08:10] <kim0> Morning
[11:34] <dholbach> nigelb, the new harvest is very unhappy again
[11:34] <dholbach> lots of postgres: harvest harvest [local] idle in transaction
[11:34] <nigelb> dholbach: :(
[11:34] <nigelb> dholbach: do you know which queries are getting stuck?
[11:35] <nigelb> (also, why didn't this show up earlier :|)
[11:35] <dholbach> no, I have no idea how to check that
[11:36] <nigelb> we need someone who's a postgres expert.
[11:36] <nigelb> mhall119: would you be able to look?
[11:43]  * nigelb wishes he had ssh access to poke at logs
[11:47] <mhall119> nigelb: what's going on?
[11:49] <nigelb> mhall119: mhall119
[11:50] <mhall119> oh, well that explains everything
[11:51] <mhall119> mhall@guanabana:/srv/harvest.ubuntu.com$ uptime 11:51:19 up  6:01,  4 users,  load average: 10.90, 11.00, 10.90
[11:51] <mhall119> that's not good :(
[11:52] <nigelb> mhall119: ugh, sorry. bad interwebz.
[11:52] <nigelb> RIght, something is making that machine very unhappy.
[11:53] <nigelb> Could you `ps ax | grep apache2 | wc -l`
[11:59] <mhall119> nigelb: I think Ng rebooted apache
[12:00] <nigelb> mhall119: cool.
[12:09] <dholbach> http://thebuild.com/blog/2010/10/25/django-and-postgresql-idle-in-transaction-connections/ might be something worth looking into
[12:10] <mhall119> dholbach: that's a possibility, i'd have to become familiar with harvest's code to know for sure
[12:11] <dholbach> mhall119, it's basically the same "update" scripts we have in LD as well
[12:11] <dholbach> (where I think they would make sense)
[12:39] <dholbach> nigelb, did you file the memcached ticket?
[12:43] <mhall119> nigelb: did you run harvest under the django debug toolbar?
[13:11] <jcastro> buenas mornings!
[13:11] <AlanBell> o/ jcastro
[13:12] <paultag> jcastro: boy howdy
[13:34] <AlanBell> my appmenu lens is coming together, looks like I might be able to get it working over the weekend
[15:41] <akgraner> jono look at you getting quoted in a CNN article...go you!
[15:41] <jono> akgraner, yeah, I met with the guy a few weeks back
[15:41] <jono> nuts, eh?
[15:42] <akgraner> jono, nah not nuts - pretty awesome - I wanna know your secrets..how the heck do you do it all...:-) (I would say you should write a book, but you got that covered ;-P)
[15:43] <jono> akgraner, lol
[15:43] <jono> I don't do that much
[15:47] <akgraner> ok then I'll go back to calling you a slacker then...
[15:55] <popey> I tuned in to at home with jono this week, was insane the number of questions you get
[15:55] <popey> lots of dupes from previous weeks, but still
[15:55] <popey> all good fun
[15:58] <paultag> mhall119: lol umad bro
[15:58] <paultag> mhall119: you should port loco.ubuntu to php or ruby
[15:59] <jono> popey, always fun :-)
[16:15] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day!
[16:15] <dholbach> see you!
[16:18]  * popey hugs dholbach
[16:18]  * dholbach hugs popey back
[16:32] <mhall119> paultag: lol
[16:33] <mhall119> damn it, I just wasted 3 hours >:(
[16:33] <paultag> mhall119: dude you sound like a pissed off rookie after someone critisized a design he made - that post got me to ask myself, "Humm, I wonder if mhall119's going to ragequit"
[16:33] <paultag> mhall119: you're better then that shit, man :)
[16:34] <paultag> and I say that with love
[16:35] <mhall119> paultag: the inspiration was actually watching this happen to someone else
[16:35] <paultag> still
[16:36]  * mhall119 ragequits
[16:36] <paultag> that sort of feedback can be helpful, and I really like it when people say stuff to me like that - other ways of coming at a problem - usually someone gets upset if they're taking the design personally
[16:37] <paultag> I think a better post would have been - write software to write software, put your heart and soul into it, but don't get pissed off when people don't see things the same way you do
[16:37] <mhall119> I made a point to say that the suggestions are probably valid, and that the offered solutions are probably better
[16:37] <paultag> mhall119: you should have written your blog post this way
[16:37] <paultag> neener neener
[16:37] <mhall119> it's great to know that, it's great to learn, it's not great trash-bin what you've done for a minor improvement
[16:37] <paultag> meh :)
[16:37] <paultag> I'd not be as good as I am today if I'd stuck with my initial design choices
[16:38] <paultag> and if the change and rewrite ends up being marginal (and it will, sometimes), you live and learn
[16:38] <mhall119> I'm not saying stick with it, I'm saying don't dump it
[16:38] <paultag> that's what VCS is for :)
[16:38] <paultag> a rm -rf can make you feel really good about a project again
[16:39] <paultag> I see what you're saying, and I understand - I just disagree :)
[16:39] <mhall119> paultag: It'd be like me saying "Your wording on the LEP#2 email could be better, so don't send it"
[16:39] <paultag> mhall119: that'd be fine
[16:40] <paultag> mhall119: and I'd consider not sending it, in order to revise it
[16:40] <mhall119> no it wouldn't, because no matter how much you improve your wording, it can always still be better
[16:40] <mhall119> at some point you have to say "Yeah, it's not perfect, but it's good enough to do anyway"
[16:40] <mhall119> which was my whole point, good enough is better than nothing
[16:41] <paultag> mhall119: true, but at a point you can just do it, we don't disagree there - but to ignore the advice or critisism of someone (esp if they know what they know what they're doing) is tragic
[16:41] <paultag> mhall119: your post made it seem like you should set a path and drive blind
[16:41] <mhall119> hmmm, I didn't mean to suggest that people ignore the advice on how to improve things
[16:42] <paultag> that's why I thought it was odd
[16:42] <mhall119> just that they shouldn't hold back a contribution just because it could possible be better if
[16:42] <paultag> mhall119: I usually do
[16:42] <mhall119> you hold back?
[16:42] <paultag> mhall119: yes, of course
[16:42] <paultag> I'd rather a pristine patch in two weeks then a quick and dirty hack in 2 days
[16:42] <mhall119> so you think that the patches you do submit are perfect?
[16:42] <paultag> any day of the week
[16:43] <paultag> mhall119: no, but I think they are pristine and tidy
[16:43] <paultag> I tend to not submit sub-par patches
[16:43] <mhall119> your 2 week patches could be made better too, should you wait on a 4 week patch?  or a 6 month patch?
[16:43] <paultag> there are exceptions, of course, and note I don't say perfect
[16:43] <paultag> mhall119: I said pristine, not perfect
[16:43] <paultag> clean, correct and complete
[16:43] <mhall119> then we're talking 2 different things
[16:43] <paultag> I don't think so
[16:44] <mhall119> then you're lying to yourself, I think, about the actual quality of what you submit
[16:44] <paultag> I hold things back to keep working on them, so that my patch is clean, consistant, correct and complete, rather then release a patch that's not that, i.e. sub-par (but may be correct and complete)
[16:44] <paultag> mhall119: perhaps
[16:44] <mhall119> and I say that with love ;)
[16:44] <paultag> noted :)
[16:46] <paultag> mhall119: actually - I have an example
[16:47] <paultag> mhall119: my fluxbox patch (17 files changed, 1215 insertions, 11 deletions) has been sitting in my queue for about 5 months now. It works, and it's in the repos in the form of it's own project, but it's not perfect. So I have this huge patch that I've not pushed in yet, because it's not up to my standard
[16:48] <paultag> there's a level of standard I'd expect in the codebase, and I'm not going to ruin it because I'm to lazy to refactor
[16:50] <paultag> and on that note, lunch! :)
[16:54] <mhall119> paultag: so fluxbox users have been without your contribution for 5 months, is that loss to them worth the benefit they'll get when you eventually do release it?
[16:58] <mhall119> (future value) - (present value) - (your time spent refactoring) >= (5 months without present value)
[16:58] <mhall119> ?
[17:16] <paultag> mhall119: yes
[17:16] <paultag> mhall119: because they can install it as fbautostart
[17:16] <paultag> but it's not of the standard that's expected in the work "fluxbox"
[17:16] <paultag> it's it's own project with a lower standard then fluxbox
[17:17] <nigelb> mhall119: Yes, I did.
[17:44] <paultag> mhall119: http://blog.pault.ag/post/9419992656/project-patch-standards-and-what-they-mean-to-me ♥
[17:44] <paultag> I think you'll find we agree for the most part
[17:47] <mhall119> most likely
[17:47] <mhall119> I'll read it when I'm not on my phone :)
[17:47] <paultag> mhall119: it's no problem. I'm just putting that somewhere so I can point someone at it next time I reject a patch :)
[18:13] <nigelb> OH GOD. https://docs.google.com
[18:19] <paultag> ahahha
[18:19] <paultag> fail
[18:19]  * AlanBell wonders what is going on
[18:20] <daker> http://www.google.com/appsstatus#hl=en
[18:21] <AlanBell> works for me
[18:21] <daker> http://www.google.com/appsstatus#rm=1&di=4&hl=en
[18:21] <daker> AlanBell, Error 404


 @jonny, No but IMHO it is useless to keep devices registered forever. If a user changes his devices because the old one got broken you can delete the token one day. Moreover our push server will get the notifications and throw them away since no device is registered for that token
 @Flohack, Makes sense
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[03:01] <ubptgbot> Ashdash was added by: Ashdash
 Hi, everybody. How about porting Ubuntu on phones with MTK processors? For example, I have a great xiaomi redmi note 4 mtk smartphone, would love to be able to install a Ubuntu on it, even if you need to pay a little bit.
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 Ready to donate if available for Nokia 6
 Nokia 6 bootloader is still locked iirc so I don't think that's happening anytime soon.,.
 @Lyokanthrope, Oh!. thank you for the info.
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[03:59] <ubptgbot> <Tygerpro Tygerpro> @Aleksey_Peresvet, I have been helping a person get a xioami port going, they have made some decent progress but its far from successful atm
 @Tygerpro Tygerpro, I see. well I will wait when it will be ported to any smartphone... I use Ubuntu on a laptop and I can say that it has one of the friendliest interfaces among other Linux distributions, so actually learning about the Ubuntu touch interested in the possibility of porting to a smartphone.
 @dohbee, not my android
 lol guess i didn't look close enough
 that said it was mentioned in one of the Q & A it should be possible but they didn't know a use for it
 GitHub - reactiflux/discord-irc: Connects Discord and IRC channels by sending messages back and forth. https://github.com/reactiflux/discord-irc -- shared by UC Mini
 @Fuseteam, i have now found this
 https://github.com/reactiflux/discord-irc
 im getting a "/bin/bash: /clang: No such file or directory" error... any thoughts?
 https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/q4bMv6FHP4/
[04:31] <ubptgbot> Yum was added by: Yum
 Hello
 I wonder if I could install Ubuntu  on my Samsung Galaxy S8
 Hello.I've run into the forward slash in a file path bug
 Hello,
 if you port it
 or you could use linux deploy
 but thats not ubuntu touch
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 Hello.  I'm trying to load ubuntu onto a Nexus 5 from a Windows 7 Home Premium edition laptop.  I've run into  a bug.  Forward slash in the path/filename of a file to be pushed to phone.  It is thought to be fixed in a commit 3 days ago. If any developers are listening, is it maybe time for a new beta with this fix?  I can test and rep
[04:49] <ubptgbot> ort.  I haven't compiled from git before otherwise I could get it directly from git.
 Nick i just sent you a PM
 it doesn't do anything, stop clicking on it.
[07:15] <ubptgbot> tijesef was added by: tijesef
 HI
 I want to port Ubuntu Touch
 @tijesef, Hi, nice biography
 This is not funny.
 I want to port Ubuntu Touch, to Redmi 4X.
 https://github.com/bitrvmpd/msm-3.18 here is CAF kernel
 @tijesef, Start here: … t.me/halium
 There is a halium-7.1 branch
 Is it good?
[07:31] <ubptgbot> mrperfectjb was added by: mrperfectjb
 For porting UT, only the Halium port is required?
 @Flohack, Finally you censored your phone number 👮😝
 @tijesef, I think, … https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/introduction.html
 Does anyone know when the yesterday QA will never avaiable on soundcloud @wayneoutthere ?
 @HenryOne, No, this is just required to make it boot. Later on you will face a lot of issues with the hardware of the phone 😆
 @mymike00, Haha only for you :*
 @Aleksey_Peresvet, do you have kernel source code for it? Xiaomi has been violating GPL for their MTK phones from what I know.
 @jonny, indeed, that's just a test level i've made to test stuff
 Hi
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 Hi
 Is there anybody from Russia?
 @Admto, Yep
 @Davilka, Привет
 Давай спишемся в личных сообщениях.
 Привет! Зачем?
 Please join the Russian language group then.
 @Flohack, Link please
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 @urielc, As I understand it, the Halium build is specific to the phone. Normally the release Android version?
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 @chronosmsx, HI Michael, check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started
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 You are attempting dual boot?
 it looks like he is tryna dual boot using multirom twrp
 'Stable' does not apply in that situation. Some people have managed to get Multirom to work for a while but it is not officially supported. A couple of people here may have some idea how to help
 im sorry i never tried multi rom, kinda buggy and space eater so i cant help
 try to read the instruction again
 anyway are you using one plus 3?
 its codename were bacon right?
 It is only ever a temporary fix that will keep collapsing and need to be rebuilt. UBports is not going to waste time and energy on it
 Oneplus One
 Bacon is OPO
 ok sorry, OPO is supported officialy? if im not mistaken it is
 OnePlusOne is officially supported but not in Multirom
 AFAIK the multirom dual boot is kinda same to windows where you have priority boot sorting
 Anbox will be officially supported, when it is ready for use
 I have a chance to install UT as a primary rom, but keep multirom?
 i think if its primary you should discard multirom as UT comes with its own recovery
 @chronosmsx, Theoretically, yes but not in any stable way. UT is not a ROM so it is like using multiple adapters
 UT does not use TWRP
 Where I can discover ut features? YouTube channel f e
 @chronosmsx, MKBHD, he got the major features
 I can only remember two or three people playing around with Multirom
 how i install ubports in oppo
 @chronosmsx, There is quite a nice one in German
 All are a bit old though
 @isak1234, I suggest you join Welcome & Install
 If I'll connect phone to monitor, I'll able to use PC features?
 Or with tweak tool and without monitor
 @chronosmsx, That is called convergence. Phone apps change appearance to a desktop mode when on a big scree. Yes that is possible but there are limitations.  Moving from 15.04 base to 16.04 will give a better platform for that
 @chronosmsx, [Edit] That is called convergence. Phone apps change appearance to a desktop mode when on a big screen. Yes that is possible but there are limitations.  Moving from 15.04 base to 16.04 will give a better platform for that
 Slimport devices are much better for that
 slimport is type c right?
 @chronosmsx, Libertine is probably what you are thinking of. That is more of a bridge to 'desktop' apps. Again, partly broken and work is needed to improve functioning
 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SlimPort
 @mymike00, 'soon'
 multirom works fine on my Nexus 5, never experienced the boot loop...try reinstalling? and do you even install UBports or Canonical?
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 @Javacookies, Ubports
 Reinstall doesn't take effect
 @NexusL, Hi, go to https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started
 Hi! I have a bq m10 fhd tablet with 16.04 ubports. It is a good idea to already  install the anbox or is it better to wait improvments?
 @Javacookies, If you both go to Lab you can discuss in detail there?
 @Jyoti, I have the same device as you and I have anbox installed. It isn't possible to do very much with it.
 I don't know if there is any advantages to not installing it though?
 Saving time is one I guess 😅
[12:25] <ubptgbot> <Tygerpro Tygerpro> @Aleksey_Peresvet, You can always try porting it yourself, it might test your patience but it won't test it any more than the annoying Co-Worker(s) that you try to avoid
 Thanks :-)
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 @padraic7a, I asked because maybe later there will be a store to install the android apps and some configuration changes will be made and we must to undo the current installation and partitioning
 @Jyoti, if you want a store you'd have to install google play services and google play store, or f-droid, or some other store, yourself in anbox, i think
 @Juanma, Hi Juanma, take a look at https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
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 @Jyoti, Hey jyoti if you can install fdroid you can get around having to install Google play by using yalp store which you can install with fdroid, which allows you access to the play store without having to give your personal details away👍
 Does anyone here know if Ubuntu touch works with the new camera for the fairphone 2? Just found out that fairphone 2 is supported and so excited to try out Ubuntu touch on a phone at long last😁
 I think the new camera module was fixed in the last OTA, but I'm not 100% sure.
 @JBBgameich, Thanks mate, think I'll have a crack at installing in the next week.
 @Liam, Yes it works ;)
 @Flohack, Legend, thanks mate. So excited, after 12 years of using (k)Ubuntu I can finally get it on my phone🤪
 hehe
 @Liam, If you need any help, be sure to visit our Welcome & Install room!
 @Liam, i hope you're not expecting it to work like you're used to with (K)Ubuntu
 it is a phone, after all
 @dohbee, So true 😆
 People hear Linux/Ubuntu on a phone and the first reaction is, can I install OpenOffice 😆
 @wayneoutthere, 👍🏻
 @Flohack, My first thoughts were LibreOffice, VLC, Dropbox file sync (I use NC now though), Atom, and Firefox lol. Later on, I thought "Steam?" then dismissed it 😂
 lol
 @Flohack, Usually it's more "ooh, apt on a phone!!!111"
 i mean fine, you can use apt inside libertine, but doing it in the root is obviously bad
 also the irony of "ooh finally a secure linux phone!" that goes along with "yay i'll give root to everybody with apt!"
 @dohbee, 😆
 Install 500 ppas first
 "download this random deb, and install it with sudo dpkg -i"
 still safer, then download this random rom from xda :P
 @mariogrip, 😆 true
 First, you need to unlock and remove all protections from your phone, no warranty BUT this ROM hast increased 3D performance for your GAMES... I Read BUT GAMES 😆
 thats what matters
 @Flohack, Or do all that, but instead here's linux! ;)
 i mean, you can't fault xda for that first part, when we require the same thing, because that's just how phones work :(
 yeah, i wish phones was more like desktops there :/ also the blobs things is a big mess
 @mariogrip, i don't. that just means phones would be totally insecure by default, and they'd all have crazy UEFI BIOS interfaces designed for gamers
 yeah i  see that.
 i do wish there was a nice middle ground though, where we get the portability of PC stuff on phones, but the security of phone stuff on PCs
 yeah!
 i mean sure, i can set up bios passwords and junk, but then that's just another password i have to remember, which rarely ever gets used
 libreboot on phones would be awesome
 lol, can't even run libreboot on PCs really
 there's like 10 configurations total it actually works on
 yeah :/ that is a bummer though
 at least it's apparently possible to break the system on ryzen and run arbitrary code on the embedded ARM core, but then one has to break the system to do it
 would be nice to be able to actually use TrustZone for things
 @dohbee, I don't think it's possible to install anything at all at the moment, at least not in a straight forward way.
 Including fdroid in the anbox image in the future might get around that but I don't have a clue what is possible.
 Hi! Tried to install anbox on my bq m10 tablet with 16.04 and after running the command in terminal, the tablet stoped in fastboot mode...
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 @padraic7a, Jyoti: … Hi! Tried to install anbox on my bq m10 tablet with 16.04 and after running the command in terminal, the tablet stoped in fastboot mode...
 @Jyoti, Did you follow all steps exactly here: https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/anbox.html
 @Flohack, Yes, i runned the command adb shell sudo reboot -f bootloader wget http://cdimage.ubports.com/anbox-images/anbox-boot-$CODENAME.img sudo fastboot flash $PARTITIONNAME anbox-boot-$CODENAME.img sudo fastboot reboot rm anbox-boot-$CODENAME.img … And it stoped
 did you export the 2 variable names correctly?
 You will need the device codename and the name of your boot partition for the installation.
 I think you just wiped your boot partition. No panic, can be repaired
 did you export CODENAME="cooler OR frieza here" && export PARTITIONNAME="boot"
 At the first time, i runned the 2 varriable names without quotes,, after that i wrote again with guotes
 did you repace turbo and bootimg?
 [Edit] did you replace turbo and bootimg?
 Yes, with frieza and boot
 The commands are formatted a little confusingly. Run … ```adb shell sudo reboot -f bootloader ``` … Then on your laptop run … wget http://cdimage.ubports.com/anbox-images/anbox-boot-$CODENAME.img …  sudo fastboot flash $PARTITIONNAME anbox-boot-$CODENAME.img  … sudo fastboot reboot rm anbox-boot-$CODENAME.img
 [Edit] The commands are formatted a little confusingly. Run … ```adb shell sudo reboot -f bootloader ``` … Then on your laptop run … ```wget http://cdimage.ubports.com/anbox-images/anbox-boot-$CODENAME.img … ``` … Then … ``` sudo fastboot flash $PARTITIONNAME anbox-boot-$CODENAME.img ``` … Then … sudo fastboot reboot rm anbox-boot
[14:59] <ubptgbot> -$CODENAME.img
 It stoped at fastmode. Do i need to wait or switch off and reboot?
 Fast mode?
 Fastboot mode"
 That's not a command in the instructions though.
 @Flohack, You can install office and 'everything else' on a phone using Kali NetHunter … And there is a Debian App in the Playstore 🙈😜
 Was it suposed to write  … export CODENAME="frieza" && export PARTITIONNAME="boot" … With quotes, or  … Florian Leeber: … did you export CODENAME=frieza && export PARTITIONNAME=boot … without quotes?
 should be without probably
 anyway if not sure just replace the $CODE--- vairables with the right text
 In order to help you, you better make the whole procedure again, and please paste all inputs and outputs into a pastebin and send us the link
 We need to see the output of each step
 I tried the without and after that rewrote with quotes
 @Flohack, That's a good idea
 I will switch off and see if it reboots
 👍
 Rebooted, wrote the variables without quotes, runned the command in terminal an the tablet again stoped on fastboot mode
 well then sry, no idea.
 paste your output
 😆
 Ok, thanks anyway :-)
 maybe you own cooler and not frieza?
 jyoti@jyoti-M7X0SU:~$ adb shell sudo reboot -f bootloader … wget http://cdimage.ubports.com/anbox-images/anbox-boot-$CODENAME.img … sudo fastboot flash $PARTITIONNAME anbox-boot-$CODENAME.img … sudo fastboot reboot … rm anbox-boot-$CODENAME.img[sudo] password for phablet:  … Sorry, try again. … [sudo] password for phablet
 do you write everything into one line?
 after that, i inroduced the phablet password and it stoped in fastboot mode
 i just copy/paste the commands
 thats not how it works 😆
 You have to split those lines up
 adb shell sudo reboot -f bootloader <ENTER> … wget http://cdimage.ubports.com/anbox-images/anbox-boot-$CODENAME.img <ENTER> … sudo fastboot flash $PARTITIONNAME anbox-boot-$CODENAME.img <ENTER> … sudo fastboot reboot <ENTER> … rm anbox-boot-$CODENAME.img <ENTER>
 these are single commands, all need toe xectute smth before the next one can be suffessful
 ok... i will try 😊
 i thought that if you paste all the commnads, it will not exectute next command until the next one can be suffessful
 @Jyoti, Not if everything is on one line
 ok
 Unix/Linux needs line breaks 😆
 is better to try now write the variables with or without quotes?
 try without
 or is already not necessary, because i already wrote then before on the tablet terminal?
 @Jyoti, please enter set | grep CODENAME and paste the output
 a nice thing is that the tablet reloaded without problem and i can try again 😊
 😆
 You cannot easily break the BQ EXCEPT using the sp_flashtool
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 why are you running those on the tablet?
 all those commands are to be run on your PC, while tablet is connected, with developer mode enabled
 i only wrote the last command on tablet, the other ones i runned on my PC with the tablet connected
 well you shouldn't have set CODENAME on the device, so it's expected to be unset there
 Runned on PC, the output was the same
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 @Jyoti, then it did not work, start againthere
 you need to keep the window open, shell variables will be removed again if xou close it
 Ok
 Did you read: … Warning … Because this feature is in such an early stage of development, the installation is only recommended for experienced users.
 :-)
 Ok i will be careful
 just to confirm: the command
 export CODENAME=frieza && export PARTITIONNAME=boot
 is supposed to write on tablet terminal, right?
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 jyoti@jyoti-M7X0SU:~$ adb shell sudo reboot -f bootloader … [sudo] password for phablet: XXXX … jyoti@jyoti-M7X0SU:~$ wget http://cdimage.ubports.com/anbox-images/anbox-boot-$CODENAME.img … —2018-03-18 15:42:14—  http://cdimage.ubports.com/anbox-images/anbox-boot-.img … A resolver cdimage.ubports.com (cdimage.ubports.com)... 188.166.1
[15:43] <ubptgbot> 34.156 … A conectar cdimage.ubports.com (cdimage.ubports.com)|<IP_ADDRESS>|:80... conectado. … Pedido HTTP enviado, a aguardar resposta... 404 Not Found … 2018-03-18 15:42:14 ERRO 404: Not Found.
 You didn't replace the codename with your actual codename
 i replaced on tablet
 `wget http://cdimage.ubports.com/anbox-images/anbox-boot-$CODENAME.img` from your last post indicates you did not
 need i to wrote http://cdimage.ubports.com/anbox-images/anbox-boot-$frieza.img`?
 Without the dollar sign
 Replace `$CODENAME`
 ok.
 with your codename
 ok. but first, on tablet terminal i write export CODENAME="frieza" && export PARTITIONNAME="boot", yes?
 You could, but it's just going to be simpler to replace it yourself
 so, i do not need to write this command on tablet before?
 I don't think that it says anywhere to run any command on your device
 You run them all on your computer which you connect your device to
 "Install the 16.04/devel channel on your supported device … Open a terminal and run export CODENAME="turbo" && export PARTITIONNAME="bootimg", but replace the part between the quotes respectively with the codename and name of the boot partition for your device"
 Does it say to run that on your tablet
 and only after that the guide says to connect the tablet to PC
 Run all the commands on your PC.
 I'll fix the guide later
 ok. it will be easier 😊
 thanks
 i will try with quotes this time
 @UniversalSuperBox, yoti@jyoti-M7X0SU:~$ export CODENAME="frieza" && export PARTITIONNAME="boot" … jyoti@jyoti-M7X0SU:~$ adb shell sudo reboot -f bootloader … [sudo] password for phablet: XXXX … jyoti@jyoti-M7X0SU:~$ wget http://cdimage.ubports.com/anbox-images/anbox-boot-frieza.img … —2018-03-18 15:55:05—  http://cdimage.ubport
[15:57] <ubptgbot> s.com/anbox-images/anbox-boot-frieza.img … A resolver cdimage.ubports.com (cdimage.ubports.com)... <IP_ADDRESS> … A conectar cdimage.ubports.com (cdimage.ubports.com)|<IP_ADDRESS>|:80... conectado. … Pedido HTTP enviado, a aguardar resposta... 200 OK … Tamanho: 11579392 (11M) [application/octet-stream] … Saving to: ‘anbox-boot-frieza.img’ … a
[15:57] <ubptgbot> nbox-boot-frieza.i 100%[ Don't paste huge messages in the chat. Use paste.ubuntu.com
 ok. sorry i did not know how to do
 The error is `fastboot: command not found`, so I'd posture that you need to install fastboot.
 how to install fastboot?
 @UniversalSuperBox, yes, i tried agan without quotes in the variables and everything went fine till the "sudo: fastboot: command not found". But, i do not know how to install it
 apt install fastboot
 merci beaucoup, danke 😊
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[16:32] <ubptgbot> arrayofinteger was added by: arrayofinteger
 Good evening
 I'm thinking about install ubports on my oneplus one (64GB) with mac os x
 In the installation process, is possible to lose my data (images, videos, files,...)?
 You will lose all data on Android, yes
 Hi Liam, @Linuxman1, @dragonmaymar and @arrayofinteger! Check this to get up to speed in this community and UT: https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 [Edit] Hi Liam, @Linuxman1, @dragonmaymar and @arrayofinteger! Check this to get up to speed in this community and with UT: https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/83bDMRw5.png Yes! I already have android apps on my bq m10 tablet!  :-)
 @dohbee, Okay, thank you so much!
 How are this builds, stables? I'm refering to battery life and performance comparing to android, for example, LOS14/15
 The stable build is stable. No idea about battery life on bacon compared to Android
 Only due to the very nice help of the telegram UBports Supergroup chanel people, i could install anbox on my tablet! Thank you very much
 Depends on what you use, mostly
 How do the android apps work?
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> anbox is comming soon?
 thank you, Florian, Padraic, Dalton, Rodney
 @wayneoutthere, Sorry 😐
 @dohbee, Okey, I'm going to try on the oneplus one
 It works with anbox: calendar, contacts, calculator
 The mac os link for oneplus one is down, any solution? https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer/releases/download/0.1.9-beta/ubports-installer.0.1.9-beta.dmg
 I've found it
 hang on, let me draft a new release
 @Jyoti, 👍
 @UniversalSuperBox, Dalton, some tip sugestions to be added in the anbox installation guide: … A) All commands (including the first variables) must be written to the PC; … B) The quotation marks in the variable name are supposed to be keeped; … B) We must have fast boot installed (sudo apt nstall fastboot). … and,,, everything w
[16:58] <ubptgbot> ill run wonderfully!
 😊
 And one more thing: we must change the CODENAME and PARTITIONNAME in the command to put in the terminal
 with the addition of these simple suggestions, even people like me will be able to easily install anbox on ubports :-P
 do you know how to install FDROID or (GOOGLE PLAY 😄) on ubports tablet with anbox installed?
 really the quotes in the environment variable definitions are irrelevant, since there should be no space characters in the values used
 @Jyoti, I have used Anbox on Ubuntu desktop … You have to install the APK via adb
 adb install app.apk
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 @unknown, so, it is the same system as we use if we want to instal on a PC withubuntu and anbox installed?
 i already installed in my PC with Lubuntu + anbox. so, the method is the same?
 @arrayofinteger, anyone knows how much time take it? the device is in fastboot mode right now
 @Jyoti, mostly yes.
 @arrayofinteger, Assuming no issues, it mostly depends on the download speeds you can get. Once everything is downloaded and copied to the device, it's still several minutes
 okay, thanks
 @Jyoti, Which chipset is that device
 @kutlay1653, BQ M10 FHD with UBports 16.04
 No I said CPU
 @kutlay1653, MTK
 which CPU is this device
 mt67xx?
 Or mt65xx?
 i don't recall which exactly
 @dohbee, ok thanks
 ddg will know
 @kutlay1653, https://store.bq.com/pt/aquaris-m10-fhd-ubuntu-negro
 @kutlay1653, CPU …         MediaTek Quad Core MT8163B até 1,3 GHz … RAM …         2 GB …   GPU …         MediaTek Mali-T720 MP2 até 600 MHz
 If we install fdroid on a UBports tablet with anbox, after that we can use fdroid to directly install android apps?
 @Jyoti, Yes - theoretically
 😊
 Jyoti Can you send a screenshot of a running app(anbox)?
 (Video, 23s) https://irc.ubports.com/D6WlJfDr.mp4
 @Jyoti, How is the performance of games?
 @unknown, I knew you would asked it!!!
 @Flohack, 😂👍
 @Jyoti, Thanks!
 @Flohack, But I think this is an interesting question... 🤕
 I have not tried to play android games yet
 @Jyoti, Thank you :-)
 @Jyoti, How well do apps play with the lifecycle and other security features? Like does the gallery app work at all for viewing images?
 @PhoenixLandPirate, Only calculator works, thats what all people show first 😆
 @Flohack, Fair :P
 @Flohack, 🤣🤣🤣👍👍
 @Flohack, That was exactly the thing I thought first - and the next thing was: "what about games?" 🙈🤪
 @unknown, 😂😂😂😂
 My tablet with anbox was almost without battery and is charging, so i only can test after that
 I think no many apps will work with anbox at the momment. We need to wait improvments
 @Flohack, doesn't whatsapp work?
 @dohbee, And this yes.
 It was a joke ROdney 😆
 well who cares if games work or not
 hehe
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/ZX4pOPP2.mp4
 why is that so tiny
 because i disabled the Expansion
 no, i mean the video
 or gif rather. it is very small
 it's a gif
 i can't even tell what you're talking about with drawn inverted and then rotated
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/zGj7x0pb.mp4
 ah, you probably changed something that caused the indicators panel icons section to get rotated
 yeah
 Hi everyone. I read on the blog this line: "Maurius recommends the Oneplus One or the Pro 5 as a device. Any core phones work pretty well."  What does this mean if I have bought an used nexus 5 to try Ubuntu Touch? This is a good purchase? And in the light of libertine not working in 15.04 and no report that it works on 16.04. And
[21:55] <ubptgbot> also anbox not supported for N5 currently? (Neither the one  plus one) sorry for long message.
 @Gabriele, Nexus 5 is dandy. … Anbox isn't supported on any device yet
 @neothethird, since you no-showed us, you now must go 3x speed - real time
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/6V0kRCjz.mp4
 @dohbee, actually I agree with this statement.  but I risk getting shot.
 eheh
 I agree with you
 I couldn't care less about games
 and I hope they use all the bullets in you so that I can escape
 I think what we're really saying is that there are much higher priorities at this stage in the game 😆
 yes, exactly.  The 'deal-breaker' apps we need righta way like @jonny cam-scanner app that he started
 Linphone (good progress)
 Next cloud integration (full)
 blah blah
 then, in celebration - GAMES!
 or... songs... HA
 My favorite game is Xenial updater. I play it every day.
 I thought it was Clickable?
 (Photo, 200x385) https://irc.ubports.com/5L6I0xJa.png
 Yeah! haha or that other one that sounds similar
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/VzMXe6gD.mp4


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