[07:34] <kahrytan> wastrel->  doesnt work
[07:34] <wastrel> and -- fun fun  /home/username/.local/share/Trash/
[07:34] <kahrytan> Folder doesnt exist
[07:34] <wastrel> whee!
[07:34] <wastrel> kahrytan: there's 2!
[07:34] <wastrel> one hidden and buried
[07:34] <wastrel> it's a beautiful thing
[07:34] <ecubuntu> no baz
[07:35] <ecubuntu> bazhang,
[07:35] <topyli> kahrytan: you probably have roots's stuff there. need sudo in that case
[07:35] <wastrel> what's up with this  ~/.local/share/Trash/  anyway?
[07:35] <kahrytan> topyli->  considered that.
[07:35] <savvas> someone has a .torrent file handy? right click on it > properties - is the mime type application/x-bittorrent ?
[07:35] <ecubuntu> oh yes bazhang
[07:35] <bazhang> ecubuntu: have you configured that card to connect to that essid?
[07:36] <ecubuntu> no thath way bazhang
[07:36] <topyli> wastrel: no idea. they thought it would be smart to make gvfs look in another place than gnomevfs did
[07:36] <ecubuntu> i have config my router with mac address only bazhang
[07:36] <kahrytan> wastrel->  I got it .. as root.
[07:37] <topyli> wastrel: took me a while to realize i'm backing up my trash
[07:37] <kahrytan> wastrel, topyli-> Thank you
[07:37] <RAOF> wastrel: It's the XDG location for the Trash, which should allow KDE, GNOME, XFCE, etc to share the trash.  Also, the specification tells how to make it posible to _restore_ from trash, or handle multiple files with the same full path, etc.
[07:38] <bazhang> ecubuntu: what do you mean your router? to filter via mac address? what does that have to with this? you need to configure your wireless to connect to that essid--how good are you with cli (command line)
[07:38] <wastrel> better for gui, harder for cli
[07:38] <wastrel> ok
[07:38] <RAOF> wastrel: Not appreciably harder for CLI.  And the CLI doesn't interact with it, anyway :)
[07:38] <wastrel> users interact with it on the cli
[07:38] <topyli> yeah the standard puts everything in .local
[07:38] <wastrel> not appreciably harder no, as long as you can find it :]
[07:39] <ecubuntu> yes with filter via mac bazhang
[07:39] <ecubuntu> bazhang, http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3068/2430729544_3ece5194a2_o.png
[07:39] <bazhang> ecubuntu: how about turning that off while we are doing this
[07:39] <RAOF> wastrel: Yes, but none of the cli programs to manipulate files move things to teh trash.
[07:40] <ecubuntu> y connect with cable bazhang
[07:40] <kahrytan> topyli->  do you like hardy?
[07:40] <bullgard4> kahrytan: You could try to call Nautilus with sudo privileges and Location > trah: And remove all files there visible. Or you can remove all files in the ~/.Trash directory using the sudo rm -r ~/.Trash command.
[07:40] <zero__> hey, if i installed 8.04 beta would i be able to easily upgrade to the stable when its released?
[07:40] <bullgard4> trash
[07:40] <topyli> kahrytan: sure, hardy is nice
[07:40] <bullgard4> zero__: yes.
[07:40] <bazhang> ecubuntu: but your wireless has a different mac address then the one you assigned?
[07:40] <topyli> zero__: yes, you won't even notice it
[07:41] <zero__> topyli, rock on thanks
[07:41] <kahrytan> bullgard4->  Actually, Root has it's own trash.
[07:41] <Sonja> type  update-manager -d to upgrade to 8.04?
[07:41] <ecubuntu> no because is the same card bazhang
[07:41] <kahrytan> bullgard4->  I had to delete the user trash folders in sudo
[07:41] <bullgard4> kahrytan: Well, that may be. But I was referring to something else.
[07:41] <bazhang> Sonja: aye
[07:42] <Sonja> does 8.04 support ati hd video card?
[07:42] <JohnRobert> xmms (ver 1) not in hardy?
[07:42] <bullgard4> JohnRobert: No onger by default.
[07:42] <bazhang> !info xmms
[07:42] <ubotu> Package xmms does not exist in hardy
[07:42] <JohnRobert> :/
[07:42] <bullgard4> longer
[07:42] <kahrytan> JohnRobert->  you are second person to ask that and no. XMMS isnt in Debian Sid so not in Hardy
[07:42] <bazhang> !info xmms2
[07:42] <ubotu> xmms2 (source: xmms2): Client/server based media player system. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2DrJekyll-4ubuntu4 (hardy), package size 10 kB, installed size 56 kB
[07:43] <RAOF> Sonja: Yes.
[07:43] <JohnRobert> :/
[07:43] <ecubuntu> bazhang, soo when i install hardy i get new mac or what?
[07:43] <JohnRobert> one thing I liked about xmms was it's simplicity...that's now gone then :(
[07:44] <kahrytan> ecubuntu->  Why would you want new mac>
[07:44] <bazhang> ecubuntu: no that is hardwired into the nic
[07:44] <DanaG> !gksudo
[07:44] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use « gksudo », as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[07:44] <kahrytan> JohnRobert->  Say hello to your new best friend .. Audacious
[07:44] <topyli> JohnRobert: if you liked xmms, use audacious. it's pretty much the same
[07:44] <kahrytan> topyli->  beat ya
[07:44] <topyli> JohnRobert: except it's actually maintained and works well
[07:45]  * kahrytan uses Audacious allot for single mp3 plays
[07:45] <ecubuntu> but my mac is on wireless mac filter bazhang
[07:45] <Sonja> me too, audacious
[07:45] <ecubuntu> i just asking kahrytan
[07:45] <Sonja> it's like winamp :)
[07:45] <JohnRobert> looks good, ta
[07:45] <kahrytan> Audacious uses XMMS Plugins and Skins and old Winamp skins'
[07:45] <JohnRobert> (ta = thx in england btw)
[07:45] <topyli> JohnRobert: xmms2 on the other hand has absolutely nothing in common with xmms
[07:45] <ecubuntu> i know you can not get different mac address just for install new os kahrytan
[07:45] <JohnRobert> no, xmms2 seems like a headache
[07:46] <kahrytan> ecubuntu->  I hate macs.
[07:46] <JohnRobert> I like emacs
[07:46] <JohnRobert> :p
[07:46] <ecubuntu> why kahrytan
[07:46] <bazhang> ecubuntu: how good are you using the command line?
[07:46] <kahrytan> i really hate emacs
[07:46] <kahrytan> ecubuntu->  you meant MAC address?
[07:46] <ecubuntu> no soo good but i can try bazhang
[07:47] <topyli> he did say mac address kahrytan :)
[07:47] <ecubuntu> yes kahrytan
[07:47] <kahrytan> lol MAC address is hard wired.
[07:47] <JohnRobert> yeah, I'm liking this audacious
[07:47] <JohnRobert> :)
[07:47] <kahrytan> JohnRobert->  Welcome to your new best friend...
[07:47] <ecubuntu> is better WPA kahrytan
[07:48] <bazhang> ecubuntu: let me get you a link howto cli wireless and let you take a look; if you have any questions I will be around for a bit longer
[07:48] <kahrytan> use MAC addres to tie to the router. It prevents other cards from using it.
[07:48] <ecubuntu> ok bazhang
[07:48] <bazhang> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=571188 ecubuntu
[07:49] <kahrytan> ecubuntu->  use WPA/WPA2 to connect wirelessy and set router to only accept your MAC address
[07:50] <kahrytan> JohnRobert->  gnome-look.org .. xmms themes work in audacious
[07:50] <JohnRobert> this is really good
[07:50] <JohnRobert> does what it says on the tin
[07:50] <JohnRobert> doesn't not work
[07:51] <DanaG> MAC address filtering isn't really any security at all.
[07:51] <DanaG> Nor is hidden ssid.
[07:51] <DanaG> Hidden ssid gives two options:
[07:51] <NotSure> Hi, Trying to find " ghamachi - or - hamachi" in Synaptics but can't find it - also searched undder "remote desktop, etc." - Anyone know what name I would use to find this in Synaptics?
[07:51] <DanaG> Router shouts SSID to the world around it, or computer shouts SSID to the world around it.
[07:51] <bazhang> wpa2 is more than enough; mac address can be spoofed
[07:51] <DanaG> Which covers more area?  The latter.
[07:52] <kahrytan> JohnRobert->  you like your double negatives dont you?
[07:53] <kahrytan> DanaG->  and now you know why I dont use wireless
[07:53] <kahrytan> DanaG->  I simply dont trust other people with my info
[07:54] <DanaG> Just don't use HomePNA -- it's worse.
[07:54] <kahrytan> DanaG->  I do have SSID but I wrote it like a password.
[07:54] <NotSure> Can't find Hamachi in synaptics - someone know what to search using?
[07:54] <JohnRobert> I don't not like them kahrytan
[07:54] <DanaG> It's like a hub.
[07:54] <kahrytan> DanaG->  especially in a condo building
[07:54] <DanaG> My SSID is simple, but my passphrase is *************************
[07:54] <DanaG> with mixed case, and punctuation.
[07:54] <bazhang> !info hamachi
[07:54] <ubotu> Package hamachi does not exist in hardy
[07:54] <DanaG> No package; have to find hamachi online.
[07:54] <JohnRobert> how can I turn off the gross red glow of everything in compiz (or whatever it is)
[07:55] <JohnRobert> ?
[07:55] <kahrytan> DanaG->  i use Alphanumeric and Specical Chars
[07:55] <DanaG> Then remember to upx -d /usr/bin/hamachi
[07:55] <NotSure> bazhang: Will give it a try - thx
[07:55] <DanaG> Red glow?
[07:55] <JohnRobert> yeah, all my windows have a strange red fuzz around them
[07:55] <kahrytan> DanaG->  So it could be like D_an^23G^78
[07:55] <JohnRobert> or purple
[07:55] <DanaG> Only _, !, and .
[07:56] <DanaG> underscore, exclamation, and period.
[07:56] <DanaG> But it's still obscure enough that nobody can guess it.
[07:56] <kahrytan> DanaG-> If SSID was truely hidden.. that would make for one hard guess
[07:56] <NotSure> !info hamachi - was a no go - no return - any idea's - I came across it the other day and was not ready to install it yet.
[07:56] <ubotu> Package hamachi does not exist in hardy
[07:57] <kahrytan> DanaG-> I want WPA2
[07:57] <kahrytan> WPA2 at least has AES encryption
[07:57] <Daisuke_Ido> and i want a beer.  trade?
[07:57] <NotSure> ummmm bot say's no hamachi - so it used to be in an earlier version of ubuntu didn't it?
[07:57] <DanaG> I'm going to bed.,
[07:57] <DanaG> Hint: get a dd-wrt-able router.
[07:57] <kahrytan> Daisuke_Ido->  I dont have beer, nor like it.
[07:58] <Daisuke_Ido> WRT-54gs is a good bet
[07:58] <kahrytan> DanaG->  those are hard to find
[07:58] <hads> GL
[07:58] <kahrytan> arent made anymore
[07:58] <Daisuke_Ido> the GL is still made
[07:58] <hads> WRT54GL is
[07:58] <kahrytan> WGR-614 here
[07:58] <Daisuke_Ido> i thought the GS was still using the old hardware specs as well, or did they switch
[07:58] <hads> And OpenWRT has less worrying licensing that DDWRT
[07:59] <hads> Daisuke_Ido: The GS switched.
[08:00] <kahrytan> i dont need wifi anyways
[08:01] <Daisuke_Ido> kahrytan, then what in the eff were you demanding WPA2 for?
[08:01] <kahrytan> When I do need it
[08:01] <bazhang> ecubuntu: try installing linux-ubuntu-modules and see if that helps
[08:01] <Daisuke_Ido> either you need it or you do not
[08:02] <Daisuke_Ido> i would say that if you use it, even occasionally, you would need it
[08:02] <Daisuke_Ido> in that case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833124190
[08:02] <Daisuke_Ido> that's a good option
[08:03] <Daisuke_Ido> better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it
[08:03] <Daisuke_Ido> that philosophy is great...  and is also the reason my closet has a spare parts bin
[08:03] <bazhang> better to have it period
[08:03] <Daisuke_Ido> "just in case"
[08:08] <bazhang> ecubuntu: also try unhiding the essid in the router
[08:09] <kahrytan> My Hardy Screenshot _>http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o200/kahrytan/Screenshot/Hardy-04_20_08.png
[08:13] <kahrytan> Who likes my screenshot?
[08:14] <kahrytan> No one>?
[08:17] <kahrytan> oh the silence .. its killing me
[08:19] <Iced_Eagle> kahrytan: IT looks good :)
[08:24] <m0u5e> for some reason, hardy seems to be a little slower on my computer than gutsy
[08:25] <m0u5e> i wonder if it is because i upgraded, rather than clean installed
[08:25] <savvas> i hate red :p
[08:25] <m0u5e> and does anyone else have the issue with plugins no longer working in firefox2?
[08:26] <savvas> m0u5e: that's normal, about the plugins
[08:27] <savvas> expect a lot of them not to be working :)
[08:27] <m0u5e> no i don't mean the 2.0 plugins don't work in 3.0
[08:27] <m0u5e> i know that
[08:27] <m0u5e> i mean, the 2.0 plugins don't work in FF2.0 either
[08:27] <savvas> their developers should make them compatible to 3.0
[08:27] <savvas> oh
[08:27] <m0u5e> i currently have both installed
[08:27] <m0u5e> since, hardy installed FF3b5
[08:27] <savvas> ah you mean..
[08:27] <m0u5e> yeah
[08:27] <savvas> ok
[08:27] <savvas> i noticed that problem
[08:28] <savvas> try enable them in ff2
[08:28] <m0u5e> i did.. they don't work -__-;
[08:28] <savvas> file a bug :)
[08:28] <savvas> and i'll back you up and confirm
[08:29] <savvas> just check if there's one reported already
[08:29] <m0u5e> whoa bizarre, now whenever i load firefox2
[08:29] <m0u5e> it just loads ff3b5
[08:29] <m0u5e> ... it didn't do that before -__-;
[08:30] <m0u5e> does anyone else have the "cannot type" weird bug too?
[08:30] <m0u5e> for some reason, sometimes randomly, my keyboard just "stops" working
[08:30] <m0u5e> and when i reclick the window, or play around with it, it suddenly starts working again
[08:30] <liketoknow> Are there other repositories I need to add in Synaptics?
[08:31] <liketoknow> Fresh install with updates of Hardy Heron.
[08:31] <m0u5e> no
[08:31] <liketoknow> thanks
[08:31] <m0u5e> liketoknow: just press alt+f2
[08:31] <m0u5e> liketoknow: then type update-manager -d
[08:33] <m0u5e> can anyone else confirm the weird no-typing bug? :D
[08:34] <liketoknow> Say's everything is updated. - When I first installed had 532 updates - Will there be less updates to install if I used a an install cd of the final release CD?
[08:35] <liketoknow> Is final release on 4/24?
[08:36] <m0u5e> liketoknow: if you upgrade from a cd?, no there will be an equal amount of updates
[08:36] <m0u5e> liketoknow: thats the schedule i believe
[08:36] <kahrytan> Iced_Eagle->  hey?
[08:37] <kahrytan> Anyone else like http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o200/kahrytan/Screenshot/Hardy-04_20_08.png ?
[08:37] <m0u5e> savvas: how do i publish a bug... xD is it on launchpad?
[08:37] <liketoknow> Thanks - So new Final release - will be mute point on install - ok
[08:37] <m0u5e> liketoknow: i usually like to do a clean install
[08:37] <m0u5e> liketoknow: hardy kinda breaks some packages :/
[08:38] <kahrytan> m0u5e-> I did clean install too
[08:38] <m0u5e> okay i figured out the stupid keyboard problem... it has something to do with compiz-fusion
[08:38] <m0u5e> kahrytan: i haven't clean installed yet... i'm waiting for hardy gold to come out xD
[08:39] <kahrytan> isnt RC gold?
[08:39] <m0u5e> kahrytan: no its still RC, it'll be officially released on the 24th
[08:39] <liketoknow> m0u5e: What do mean "Clean install" - This is a dual boot with windows - Hardy is new install from CD on second partition?
[08:40] <savvas> m0u5e: yep http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu :) click report a bug
[08:40] <kahrytan> m0u5e->  you mean, you wont install till release?
[08:40] <m0u5e> savvas: awesome thx :)
[08:40] <m0u5e> kahrytan: no, i'll just reformat my hardy parition with the cd :D
[08:40] <m0u5e> kahrytan: i'm running hardy now, but its kinda messy since i upgraded
[08:40] <liketoknow> m0u5e: It is the Hardy Heron Beta 8.04 - but that's ok right?
[08:40] <savvas> m0u5e: be sure to include info such as version of the packages you are currently using: apt-cache policy firefox-2 firefox-3.0
[08:41] <m0u5e> liketoknow: no, on the 24th the official release will be out, currently you're using hardy RC
[08:41] <liketoknow> m0u5e: So will there be that much difference?
[08:41] <m0u5e> savvas: i can't even get firefox-2 to run though... i just did an aptitude reinstall
[08:42] <m0u5e> liketoknow: thats a good question, i dunno :D i'll find out on the 24th lol
[08:42] <kahrytan> Mark uses Hardy on his production laptops
[08:42] <liketoknow> m0u5e: yep - guess so .....
[08:42] <kahrytan> thats why I decided to upgrade before release
[08:42] <m0u5e> savvas: huh... weird, i can't get firefox 2 to run
[08:42] <m0u5e> savvas: are you still able to run firefox 2? is it just that the plugins don't work
[08:44] <savvas> let me install it again
[08:44] <DistroJockey> m0u5e: make sure you don't have FF3 running (trying to run FF2 while FF3 is running will result in another FF3 windows)
[08:44] <liketoknow> m0u5e: I plan on doing another new install with final as well. Will have a FAT32 partition of about 10gb's or so to transfer files between windows and Hardy.
[08:44] <m0u5e> DistroJockey: ugh, duh xD i had it running in another workspace
[08:45] <DistroJockey> :)
[08:45] <liketoknow> Should be safer way of file transfer correct?
[08:45] <m0u5e> liketoknow: ubuntu's been able to read ntfs for a while... :D
[08:45] <m0u5e> liketoknow: oh you mean your /home?
[08:45] <liketoknow> yes
[08:45]  * kahrytan doesnt use Firefox 3 and removed it.
[08:45] <m0u5e> liketoknow: no, i usually just leave my /home there... my config files migrate over usually without too much trouble
[08:45] <liketoknow> oh ok
[08:45] <m0u5e> kahrytan: i rather like ff3, i've definitely noticed a performance difference
[08:46] <savvas> m0u5e: hm.. you're right, plugins don't work
[08:46] <m0u5e> liketoknow: up to you though
[08:46] <kahrytan> m0u5e->  It's nicer but Google Sync/Toolbar  is no go for me
[08:46] <liketoknow> yea i might try that this time - save allot of extra work
[08:46] <kling0n> does anyone have a suggestion for figuring out what is making my gnome panels inactive for 1-2 minutes after login ?
[08:47] <kahrytan> I need Google to catch up to FF3 before I use it
[08:47] <savvas> wow, this could really mess it up for users that want to use firefox-2 :P
[08:47] <m0u5e> savvas: yeah -_-;
[08:47] <m0u5e> savvas: all but like 1 plugin works in ff3 currently
[08:47] <m0u5e> at least for me
[08:48] <m0u5e> kling0n: inactive?
[08:48] <kling0n> m0u5e:well ... unresponsive is more like it
[08:48] <savvas> m0u5e: don't expect too much though, they'll probably tell you to install firefox manually in a separate directory heh
[08:48] <kling0n> can't click on menus or shortcuts
[08:48] <kling0n> and no highlight on mouse over
[08:48] <kling0n> but i think it's probably specific for my profile :)
[08:49] <liketoknow> kahrytan: have you tried running Opera?
[08:49] <kling0n> probably some sort of garbage in my session startip
[08:49] <m0u5e> savvas: mm how would one do that? is there a way to specific directories with aptitude / apt-get?
[08:49] <kling0n> startup
[08:49] <kahrytan> liketoknow->  I use that too but Firefox is better for browsing.
[08:50] <m0u5e> kling0n: try opening up a terminal and type "killall nautilus"
[08:50] <kling0n> m0u5e: it's working now... it just takes a minute or two
[08:50] <kling0n> which is the strange part
[08:50] <mrtimdog> kling0n: deskbar applet sometimes causes a delay on my panels at startup.
[08:50] <savvas> m0u5e: actually, you could try it: download firefox from www.firefox.com and extract the tar.gz to your desktop and run firefox from there
[08:50] <m0u5e> kling0n: maybe you have a process that's sucking up your CPU?
[08:50] <liketoknow> kahrytan: So you uninstalled ff3 and installed ff2 and using that instead huh? does flash work well in that version? (ff2?)
[08:51] <kling0n> on a core 2 duo with 2 gig ram
[08:51] <kahrytan> liketoknow->  It always did work well.
[08:51] <m0u5e> savvas: wouldn't that work though...? since i'd be running FF from that directory? it wouldn't have all my plugins (i'd have to reinstall them)
[08:52] <liketoknow> kahrytan: Opera is ok - but kinda clunky to get around in sometimes.
[08:52] <savvas> m0u5e: exactly, but they are probably trying to "push" firefox-3.0 instead of -2 :)
[08:52] <kling0n> where are gnome's panel shortcuts stored? in the gconf dir in /home/username ?
[08:52] <savvas> m0u5e: nevertheless, file that bug, i think it will receive adequate response
[08:52] <m0u5e> savvas: that's fine, but when usability is comprimised....
[08:53] <savvas> m0u5e: give me the link to it when you're done
[08:54] <m0u5e> kling0n: i think they're stored under /home/user/.config
[08:54] <Sonjaaa> jdpre g ialqk ;dd kjd mdlf Z(
[08:54] <m0u5e> savvas: okay
[08:54] <m0u5e> savvas: still playing around with firefox-2 xD
[08:55] <m0u5e> savvas: when you try to click "enable plugin" does it just not click?
[08:55] <bullgard4> "~$ lsmod | grep 8139; 8139cp 24704 0; 8139too 27520 0." I would like to prevent that one of the 2 modules will be loaded because after a while after booting my computer looses its LAN connection. How to prevent 8139cp from being loaded at boot time?  (There is no modules.conf and no /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.)
[08:56] <m0u5e> bullgard4: you mean after return from standby? or once in a while 3139 isn't loaded properly?
[08:57] <kahrytan> It's sad that Hardy doesnt include cx18 driver for HVR-1600 cards
[08:57] <savvas> m0u5e: mine seem enabled, just not compatible :P
[08:57] <Fritzel> does anyone know if its possible to sync ipod touch contacts with anything installable on Ubuntu?
[08:57] <Sonjaaa> i cant see te ubuntu menu bar!!
[08:57] <bullgard4> m0u5e: I mean after a reboot. But the situation is the same after hibernation.
[08:58] <m0u5e> savvas: for mine, some can be re-enabled, for others i try to click the button, but it doesn't do anything
[08:58] <savvas> Sonjaaa: press  Alt-F2 and run this: gnome-panel
[08:58] <topyli> Sonjaaa: si the whole panel missing or just the menu?
[08:58] <topyli> s/si/is/
[08:58] <m0u5e> bullgard4: is it random? does it sometimes work, sometimes doesnt? ... does it not work even when the module is loaded, etc?
[08:59] <savvas> m0u5e: hm.. i click "enable" and it doesn't do anything
[08:59] <m0u5e> savvas: yeah, thats the same for me
[08:59] <m0u5e> savvas: except for this one plugin "user Agent Switcher" ... i cliked enable and it actually worked!
[08:59] <hyperair> hi
[08:59] <m0u5e> lol
[08:59] <hyperair> does anyone know why "recommended" packages aren't installed by default?
[09:00] <topyli> hyperair: because they're recommended, not required
[09:00] <hyperair> as of now, since recommended isn't installed by default, there is no difference between recommended and suggests
[09:00] <m0u5e> hyperair: probably just to make update process easier and more sane on the developers...
[09:00] <topyli> hyperair: there is a difference between a recommendation and a suggestion :)
[09:00] <hyperair> what's the difference?
[09:01] <hyperair> if both aren't installed by default then there is essentially no difference
[09:01] <bazhang> one starts with 'r'
[09:01]  * hyperair headdesks
[09:01] <m0u5e> savvas: hey speaking of bugs, have you tried the new resolution / multiple screen setup?
[09:01] <m0u5e> savvas: they consolidated the two different utils into one, but it still doesn't work proplerly (at least for me)
[09:02] <bullgard4> m0u5e: The LAN connection works always for a certain period of time after a reboot or hibernation. Both modules are loaded. "etc." is no exact description.
[09:02] <topyli> hyperair: a recommendation means "many people find this useful, you might want it" and a suggestion means "this package is related and can be used with the software you're installing"
[09:02] <savvas> m0u5e: "screens and graphics" ? it broke my login screen :)
[09:02] <hyperair> aaah
[09:02] <topyli> hyperair: if you don't like the labels, file a bug :)
[09:02] <m0u5e> savvas: yeah it does that for me too
[09:02] <bazhang> haha
[09:02] <savvas> m0u5e: if you have nvidia, better you gksu nvidia-settings
[09:02] <m0u5e> savvas: it tries to default to the largest monitor, but it fails at doing so
[09:02] <savvas> better *use
[09:03] <rohan> i read this news item -- http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-8.04-lts-desktop , but ubuntu release is still 3 days away, right?
[09:03] <m0u5e> savvas: no the funny thing is i'm on an i845
[09:03] <hyperair> topyli:  what package would i file it on?
[09:03] <m0u5e> savvas: considering intel releases its video drivers, theres no excuse for it not to work :/
[09:03] <rohan> oh, my bad.. that article does mention that it'll be released on thursday
[09:03] <Sonjaaa> brb
[09:03] <savvas> m0u5e: no idea then :)
[09:03] <rohan> could anyone confirm that this time too, the RC iso was re-released as final? like they did last time for gutsy
[09:04] <topyli> hyperair: probably the distro as a whole, or dpkg. i don't know. furthermore, it would likely be a debian bug as well
[09:04] <Smegzor> I compiled kernel 2.6.25 but had a few issues.  Went back to 2.6.24 and now I can't get the proprietory NVidia drivers working properly.  What is the cleanest way to fix my graphics issues?
[09:04] <hyperair> debian installs recommends by default
[09:04] <hyperair> but not ubuntu
[09:04] <hyperair> =\
[09:04] <hyperair> so i've been told
[09:04] <topyli> hyperair: it's a setting in your apt preferences
[09:04] <hyperair> i see
[09:04] <rohan> hyperair: that's because debian has the new apt, which does it by defaul
[09:04] <rohan> t
[09:04] <hyperair> ohh
[09:04] <hyperair> that makes sense
[09:05] <hyperair> so intrepid will do it by default then?
[09:05] <topyli> huh? apt does what it's told
[09:05] <hyperair> what?
[09:05] <kling0n> Smegzor: install module assistant and then "sudo m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-new"
[09:06] <Sonjaaa> thanks it worked
[09:06] <topyli> if debian's apt is set to install recommends by default and ubuntu's is not, that's a distribution default. it's hardly hard-wired into apt
[09:06] <savvas> rohan: what do you mean that they released it as a final?
[09:07] <hyperair> topyli: exactly where are the settings?
[09:07] <Sonja> thanks guys, i can see the gnome panel menu thingy now
[09:07] <Sonja> i had to type that
[09:08] <savvas> n/p Sonja
[09:08] <topyli> hyperair: oh i don't know. one would assume apt.conf or something like can be found in /etc
[09:08] <Sonja> is that a known bug for some upgraders?
[09:08] <hyperair> topyli: nevermind i found it.. /etc/apt.conf.d/01ubuntu
[09:08] <Smegzor> kling0n: it said this..  "nvidia-kernel-new, what is nvidia-kernel-new?"
[09:08] <savvas> Sonja: you could file it, but i think that if you logged out and logged in again, it should show it
[09:09] <kling0n> Smegzor: sorry it's: nvidia-new-kernel :)
[09:09] <rohan> savvas: i mean that the rc iso was renamed to the final one, and released
[09:09] <Smegzor> heh
[09:09] <Smegzor> i thought the message was funny :)
[09:09] <savvas> rohan: where?
[09:09] <rohan> savvas: last time, during gutsy release
[09:10] <savvas> rohan: you mean that they used the release candidate?
[09:10] <rohan> savvas: yes
[09:10] <savvas> rohan: well.. no one can confirm that :)
[09:10] <hyperair> well if the RC is determined to be bug-free enough then they just use the RC i suppose?
[09:10] <Sonja> savvas it's confusing to a n00b. it should reload the gnome thingy automatically. a n00b wouldn't know how to type it to make it appear.
[09:10] <savvas> rohan: hyperair answered :)
[09:11] <m0u5e> Sonja: gnome is usally pretty good at reloading itself...
[09:11] <Sonja> oki
[09:11] <Sonja> thanks everyone!
[09:11] <Sonja> <3
[09:11] <savvas> Sonja: great, file the bug at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu report a bug
[09:11] <savvas> heh
[09:12] <savvas> i bet 50 euro that she's not going to file a bug :P
[09:12] <m0u5e> savvas: well i'd love to file more bugs
[09:12] <m0u5e> but i feel stupid when i do
[09:12] <rohan> savvas: yes, that's what i wanted to know, whether they're going to do the same for hardy this time :)
[09:13] <m0u5e> i'm not a comp sci major or computer programmer... and i'm not even sure what i'm doing half the time, so i feel a little hesitant at filing bugs
[09:13] <savvas> m0u5e: filing bugs is as simple as providing a "how to" guide
[09:14] <m0u5e> savvas: the part that scares me is the debug information xD
[09:14] <m0u5e> savvas: okay, so do i just paste my apt-cache policy information into "Description" or do i need a copy paste bin
[09:14] <savvas> m0u5e: 1. install firefox-2 package 2. close any instances of firefox 3. run firefox-2 as a command 4. notice that the plugins aren't working :)
[09:15] <m0u5e> savvas: firefox-2 is installed by default after an upgrade though
[09:15] <m0u5e> savvas: i haven't tried that... i've tried reinstalling the package
[09:15] <savvas> really?
[09:15] <savvas> wait
[09:16] <savvas> ah an upgrade
[09:16] <savvas> well.. file the bug i think they'll consider removing it by default :)
[09:16] <Sonja> i get no sound in youtube
[09:16] <Sonja> but video is fine
[09:17] <Sonja> i have to upgrade flash or something?
[09:18] <savvas> Sonja: menu > applications > add/remove > search for this: ubuntu restricted extras
[09:18] <Sonja> oki
[09:18] <rohan> http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-8.04-lts-desktop ---> shouldn't it say "Myth TV, the open source TVR," PVR instead of TVR?
[09:18] <savvas> Sonja: check the box beside it and install
[09:18] <m0u5e> mm anyone else unable to type in xchat whenever you unfocus and refocus the window (compiz-fusion) ?
[09:18] <Sonja> it was already checked
[09:19] <rohan> or DVR
[09:19] <savvas> Sonja: maybe there is no sound then?
[09:20] <Sonja> ubuntu played the feel-good drum jingle when turning on
[09:20] <savvas> Sonja: close and re-open firefox
[09:20] <Sonja> okay
[09:20] <m0u5e> savvas: so do i paste my stuff directly into "description" ?
[09:20] <savvas> m0u5e: the apt-cache policy i gave earlier? yeah
[09:21] <savvas> you also mention what distribution you're using
[09:21] <m0u5e> savvas: yeah i was just wondering if i need to use a pastebin, or if posting it directly into description is fine (sincei ts kinda long)
[09:23] <Sonja> audacious won't play either
[09:23] <Sonja> but when i go in system > sounds, i can test the system sounds no prob
[09:23] <zerny> hi
[09:23] <ecubuntu> bazhang, i try everything and nothing i just can't connect my wireless
[09:23] <zerny> I posted a prob on the #ubuntu. I will repost here
[09:24] <zerny> I have the new hardy (installed from beta and upgraded) but have found a few problems. The new gvfs will now mount any usb devices. I have tried with two flash drives and a sata->usb. using mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt works fine. Any body else experiencing this? I have not found any bug reports about it on launchpad
[09:24] <zerny> I am also experiencing some weird behaviour when transfering files over ftp with nautilus
[09:26] <KLessou> Hi sometimes Xorg Freeze on my macbook (with Hardy) I don't understand why. Where can I search ?
[09:28] <rohan> Ubuntu is the first distribution to include Open JDK from Sun as an option. ---> huh?! fedora 8 already had it!
[09:33] <zerny> No one else has problems mounting drives with nautilus?
[09:34] <kling0n> zerny: what is output from dmesg?
[09:35] <Fritzel> I'm looking here at the the searching options in tracker and I came across indexing options where two options are listed, Indexing and Watching, I'm curious what the difference is
[09:36] <bullgard4> adduser created a new user. Opening this account will show a brown background and a stylish heron on it. I did not yet add any files there. How many disk space does this account occupy?
[09:36] <m0u5e> has anyone tried the game batle for wesnoth yet? its really good :D
[09:36] <m0u5e> oh man... if only they made it mmo...... we'd have on our hands a flock of new linux users
[09:37] <zerny> kling0n: it loads the mass usb driver and then prints
[09:37] <zerny> UDF-fs: No partition found (1)
[09:37] <zerny> ISOFS: Unable to identify CD-ROM format.
[09:38] <zerny> kling0n: the output of parted is:
[09:38] <zerny> Number  Start   End     Size    Type     File system  Flags
[09:38] <zerny>  1      16,4kB  16,1GB  16,1GB  primary  fat32        boot, lba
[09:38] <zerny> for the drive in question
[09:39] <zerny> the error dialog from nautilus is "invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume XXX"
[09:40] <zerny> I can try repartitioning the drive, but it seems odd that it should cause an error, no?
[09:40] <zerny> should I file a report on it?
[09:40] <rohan> yes, zerny
[09:41] <zerny> what information would be essential to such a report?
[09:52] <kling0n> zerny: at the very least a dump of all related dmeg output
[09:52] <kling0n> zerny: lspci and lsusb output might be helpful two
[09:52] <kling0n> too
[09:53] <tinin> Hi, how do I know wich version of the tk library i'm using?
[09:53] <tinin> I'd like to use the latest one to get some features in amsn
[09:53] <zerny> kling0n: ok. should that just go in the report or should it be attached?
[09:54] <tinin> !amsn
[09:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about amsn - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:54] <DistroJockey> zerny: I usually see things like that attached
[09:54] <goodhabit> Hello. There is volume control from media keys on keyboard with popup volume bar. But it not affect same volume meter @ system tray. How to fix it?
[09:55] <Andy80> hi all
[09:55] <JohnRobert> does anyone else find that flash-nonfree locks up their sound card, or won't have sound if something else is using sound in hardy?
[09:56] <Andy80> I noticed a thing with the new Firefox 3 beta 5: in my gmail account, the "chat" feature is not available anymore! Even in the options.... while I can access it with Firefox2, why? Is this a known bug?
[09:56] <rohan> i'd say it's a firefox bug, not a ubuntu one
[09:56] <JohnRobert> Andy80: I noticed ffox3 has really heavy chaching, try clearing your cache, restarting the browser
[09:56] <JohnRobert> then see
[09:57] <Andy80> ok, I try now
[09:57] <goodhabit> Andy80, why you are not using jabber client? Pidgin is pre-installed one.
[09:57] <JohnRobert> ^ yeah, do that
[09:57] <JohnRobert> much, much nicer
[09:57] <JohnRobert> :p
[09:57] <goodhabit> JohnRobert, :o)
[09:59] <Andy80> JohnRobert: just cleared the cache and restarted Firefox3, chat is still not available :\
[09:59] <DistroJockey> Andy80: Gmail Chat in FF3 looks fine here
[09:59] <Andy80> goodhabit: I would like to understand why it doesn't work
[09:59] <Andy80> DistroJockey: are you using beta 4 or beta 5?
[09:59] <DistroJockey> Andy80: b5
[10:00] <zerny> hmmm. one can only attach a single file for a bug report. thats a bit irritating :/
[10:00] <Jaymac> JohnRobert: just got bitten by the same sound issue
[10:00] <DistroJockey> Andy80: Hardy RC, clean install
[10:00] <JohnRobert> yeah, I did earlier today setting up php on apache
[10:00] <JohnRobert> it kept trying to give me the php page as a file
[10:00] <Jaymac> JohnRobert: plus FF just crashed when I killed my music app, and reloaded the flash file
[10:00] <JohnRobert> oh
[10:00] <JohnRobert> yeah
[10:00] <JohnRobert> it's annoying, because it worked fine in gutsy
[10:00] <Jaymac> JohnRobert: restarting FF fixes it
[10:01] <JohnRobert> yeah, but that's not a solution
[10:01] <JohnRobert> :p
[10:01] <Jaymac> JohnRobert: I believe it was intentional to try and make flash more stable...
[10:01] <Andy80> DistroJockey: uhm... I've upgraded to Hardy RC, not using a clean install..
[10:01] <Jaymac> JohnRobert: and this is a side effect
[10:01] <JohnRobert> yeah, it sucks.
[10:01] <JohnRobert> any idea how I can make it unstable but working again?
[10:01] <JohnRobert> :p
[10:01] <DistroJockey> Andy80: add one more reason to why I don't upgrade :)
[10:02] <JohnRobert> I tried altering the firefoxrc file in /etc/firefox3.0/ etc.. so that it used esd/auto, but that didn't make any difference
[10:02] <Andy80> DistroJockey: eheh
[10:03] <bullgard4> "~$ lsmod | grep 8139; 8139cp 24704 0; 8139too 27520 0." Ich möchte gern verhindern, daß eins der 2 Module geladen wird, weil nach einer Weile nach einem Neustart meines Computers er immer seine LAN (u. damit auch ADSL)-Verbindung verliert. Wie verhindert man, daß z. B. 8139cp zur Startzeit geladen wird?  (modules.conf existiert nicht und  /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist auch nicht.)
[10:03] <goodhabit> Andy80, there is some standarts for browsers. That jabber interface is written on ajax with active components. You must understand - it is not bug totally, it is possible feauture.
[10:03] <DistroJockey> Andy80: It didn't drop into Older Version mode did it?
[10:04] <void^> bullgard4: you can create /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.
[10:04] <topyli> JohnRobert: well, three days ago flash still simply crashed firefox. i think this is better :)
[10:04] <bullgard4> void^: What is the preferred way to create /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist?
[10:05] <void^> bullgard4: a text editor
[10:05] <Andy80> DistroJockey: I've the "Standard" version enabled...
[10:05] <DistroJockey> Andy80: I have a choice between Older Version and Newer Version
[10:06] <DistroJockey> Andy80: Older has no Chat, Newer does
[10:06] <Andy80> DistroJockey: where do you have this choice? in my case Gmail is in italian language...
[10:07] <DistroJockey> Andy80: Top left (next to my email address and the Settings link
[10:07] <DistroJockey> top right^
[10:07] <DistroJockey> sorry
[10:08] <kahrytan> Who likes the Human Icons?
[10:08] <Andy80> DistroJockey: uhmmm....... "English" version has the chat -.- but I can assure you italian version had chat till yesterday :P
[10:08] <goodhabit> What is default hardy style?
[10:08] <goodhabit> Human, human murrine?
[10:09] <DistroJockey> Andy80: no idea sorry
[10:09] <Andy80> ok, no problem ;)
[10:09] <kahrytan> goodhabit-> Human
[10:09] <topyli> goodhabit: human. human-murrine and human-crearlooks are there as options too
[10:10] <kahrytan> goodhabit-> but Human Clearlooks and Murrine are installed by default
[10:10] <kahrytan> topyli-> beat me
[10:10] <kahrytan> topyli-> I use Human Looks
[10:10]  * topyli looks human
[10:10] <kahrytan> Human looks isa GTK theme that allows for color change in title bar of Human
[10:11] <kahrytan> topyli-> http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o200/kahrytan/Screenshot/Hardy-04_20_08.png ?
[10:12] <kahrytan> Whats the name of those fonts that are open equivlant of MSfonts?
[10:12] <topyli> why do you blur the path to your current directory kahrytan?
[10:13] <kahrytan> cuz i want to>?
[10:13] <topyli> it's not like we're going to find and steal your desktop backgrounds :)
[10:13] <zniavre> how it's red  :-[
[10:13] <kahrytan> It's red .. and Yahoo is green. reminds me of something
[10:14] <kahrytan> zniavre-> http://gnome-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=160 .. Top 5 .. pick your flavor. GDM equivalent is available
[10:15] <kahrytan> The creator did a darn fine job making some really nice usplash themes for Hardy..
[10:15] <Almindor> hello
[10:15] <Almindor> anyone else here is getting "microfreezes with disk activity" lately?
[10:15] <zniavre> im usualy darker than colorfull
[10:16] <Almindor> since not so long ago, my disk starts going really high, CPU also 100% (soft), but I can't find the culprit via top or gnome system monitor
[10:16] <Almindor> usually intervals, and it really "stucks" things
[10:16] <kahrytan> zniavre->  you must have hated those original imacs
[10:16] <Almindor> even basic stuff, window repaints can get stuck
[10:17] <zniavre> kahrytan: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/show.php?content=72328
[10:17] <Almindor> any way to see processed by disk activity in top?
[10:18] <kahrytan> zniavre->  i dont mind dark but it hurts me eyes to view white bgs
[10:18] <DistroJockey> kahrytan: I like green :) : http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/6463/screenshotzs4.png
[10:19] <kahrytan> You people and your Gnome Menu bars
[10:20] <kahrytan> Gnome Main Menu is better
[10:20] <DistroJockey> kahrytan: work in progress ;P
[10:20] <DivineSpectrum> hi
[10:20] <kahrytan> takes up less space
[10:20] <DivineSpectrum> why emerald themer don't start ?
[10:20] <DivineSpectrum> sorry for my english
[10:22] <whitehawk> hi
[10:22] <bullgard4> void^: I created /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and put in it a line "blacklist 8139cp". I rebooted. "~$ lsmod | grep 8139" still shows 8139cp and 8139too. So this was of no help. dmesg shows a lot of error messages but at the moment I have Internet access yet.
[10:22] <DivineSpectrum> the themes of emerald don't start..wht can i do?
[10:23] <afief> kahrytan, I agree:) and scales better. I have a one panel setup, 48 pixel bottom and my window list has two rows(I wish the default style had that)
[10:23] <crimsun> bullgard4: check if it's in your initramfs, then:  regenerate the initramfs by passing the verbose switch to update-initramfs -u, grep for 8139cp, then take appropriate action
[10:23] <topyli> kahrytan: it also adds clicks for places and system menus
[10:24] <crimsun> (gone)
[10:24] <topyli> places menu being probably the most important anyway
[10:25] <topyli> in fact i would probably add the places menu to my panel if you could get that alone. right now i have no menu
[10:25] <kahrytan> afief->  I use two but top one is transparent and designed for quick launch
[10:26] <kahrytan> topyli-> I dont goto system menus that often
[10:26] <topyli> kahrytan: yeah gotta have a quick launch button for thunderbird, pidgin and xchat. how many times a day do you launch them?
[10:26] <kahrytan> lol more times you want to know
[10:27] <kahrytan> gimp is there too :-P
[10:27] <kahrytan> topyli->  It's funny. I've always been reluctant to use gimp and now I use it allot
[10:27] <topyli> strange
[10:28] <topyli> i launch them zero times. chat and mail are in the session
[10:28] <kahrytan> I dont keep my apps open ..
[10:29] <kahrytan> I like a clutter free desktop/panel
[10:29] <topyli> grrr you're one of those annoying people who're online on jabber when YOU have some business with ME? what I want to talk to YOU about something?
[10:29] <topyli> i wait for when you bother to come online?
[10:30]  * kahrytan doesnt use jabber
[10:30] <kahrytan> I use to have pidgin/aim on all the time though
[10:33] <goodhabit> Guys, how I can set-up 5.1 sound?
[10:33] <goodhabit> I have purchased 5.1 soundsystem.
[10:33] <goodhabit> But dunno how to setup it.
[10:34] <kahrytan> It wouldnt be OS specific.
[10:35] <zerny> does anybody know of a prebuilt deb for vmware-player on hardy?
[10:35] <kahrytan> Browser Appliance?
[10:35] <kahrytan> that uses Hardy?
[10:36] <Fritzel> ok what just happened, somehow konversation just started uploading something by itsself, where can I disable what would have done that
[10:37] <goodhabit> zerny, I think it will be out after hardy release.
[10:37] <kahrytan> Fritzel-> Why you using kconversation?
[10:37] <zerny> goodhabit: ok
[10:37] <Fritzel> because I don't know of a gnome alternative, I've used kde for forever
[10:38] <goodhabit> Fritzel, konversation is the best. KDE too )
[10:38] <Fritzel> kahrytan: that said do you know the solution to the problem? these files cannot be shared
[10:38] <Fritzel> I like konversation ^^
[10:38] <kahrytan> Xchat is best, imho
[10:38] <goodhabit> Under gnome xchat is the best.
[10:39] <LSD|Ninja> no, under any DE irssi is best :P
[10:39] <Fritzel> regardless, how can I disable it?
[10:40] <kahrytan> turn off DCC
[10:41] <Fritzel> that turns off all file transfers, I just want to disable triggers
[10:41] <Fritzel> actually nevermind I'll give xchat a shot
[10:42] <Laibsch> Hi, I believe it is very important that bug 181406 is fixed before the release
[10:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 181406 in aptitude "aptitude crashed with SIGSEGV in pkgRecords::Lookup()" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181406
[10:42] <Laibsch> Is there a way to mark it RC?
[10:43] <bullgard4> What did crimsun mean at 11:23 GMT+1 by "check if it's in your initramfs"?
[10:44] <Fritzel> I do have a question though, how do I choose what server and channels I want to open on startup with xchat
[10:44] <LSD|Ninja> Fritzel: In the optios for hte servers you connect to iirc
[10:44] <LSD|Ninja> you can tell it what servers to connect to at startup and in the options for those servers your IDENTIFY string and the channels you want it to join
[10:48] <Fritzel> ok I got the channels all set, but there is one thing I'm not seeing, how do I choose which server to connect to when xchat launches?
[10:49] <LSD|Ninja> Fritzel: iirc, it was a checkbox on the server properties. "Connect on startup" or something
[10:49] <kahrytan> Fritzel-> Auto Connect checkbox in Edit
[10:49] <Fritzel> yeah I don't know how I missed that, got it thank you
[10:50] <kahrytan> Fritzel->  a Doh moment eh?
[10:50] <Fritzel> kahrytan, pretty much ^^
[10:50] <kahrytan> You can change the channel list to buttons on bottom or top
[10:53] <kahrytan> hehe .. Now this is more usable gmail .. basic html
[10:55] <goodhabit> JohnRobert, about flash locking sound.
[10:56] <goodhabit> Try to redirect it to pulseaudio server.
[10:57] <Keule> hi there!
[10:58] <Keule> is it possible to preload the start-menu while the systemstart?
[11:00] <cpk1> are there any extra steps needed to play dvds?
[11:00] <kahrytan> So .. Preload gnome main menu while system is booting?
[11:00] <kahrytan> cpk1->  you need libdvdcss
[11:01] <kahrytan> !dvd
[11:01] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[11:01] <Keule> kahrytan: yepp - i think it could be possible when logged on - isnt it?
[11:04] <Miineti> hi
[11:04] <kahrytan> hi
[11:04] <topyli> Keule: the menu is started with your gnome session. you can't start it before that
[11:05] <topyli> it's a gnome panel applet after all
[11:05] <Keule> topyli: i know - thats ok  - but when i klick on it the first time.... it lasts 2-4 seconds till it starts
[11:05] <topyli> yeah :(
[11:05] <topyli> it reads all your .desktop files and loads all the icons
[11:05] <Miineti> what would you recommend as a wlan receiver on an USB port for hardy? as my last doesnt work anymore. should be as stable as possible and speed and low cost shouldnt hurt, too ;) thanks, very much :)
[11:07] <kahrytan> topyli->  dont ya think it load those files at gnome startup?
[11:07] <cpk1> kahrytan: thanks, tdidnt realize there was a script i needed to run to install it
[11:07] <kahrytan> Just goto Medibuntu website. and followthe repos howto.
[11:07] <topyli> kahrytan: doesn't seem that way
[11:08] <kahrytan> topyli->  that was idea
[11:11] <topyli> btw the "plain text passwords" article on the pidgin site has an impressive list of IM clients, none of which "provide real password security". i didn't see gajim in the list and took a look. sure enough, it's the only one to use gnome-keyring
[11:13] <kahrytan> Does pidgin?
[11:13] <topyli> pidgin stores them in plain text
[11:13] <kahrytan> I knew there was a reason I didnt store password
[11:13] <Volkodav> is there Compix/Beryl in Xubuntu?
[11:13] <white_eagle> hardy will be released with fx 2 or with fx 3.0b5??
[11:13] <kahrytan> topyli->  I bet that is because Pidgin is cross platform
[11:14] <topyli> kahrytan: well, random people can hardly read your files in the first place
[11:14] <kahrytan> gnome-keyring doesnt exist on Windows
[11:14] <topyli> windows does have an equivalent i bet
[11:14] <DistroJockey> white_eagle: FF3b5 as of now
[11:14] <kahrytan> err probably does it.
[11:14] <kahrytan> probably does not have it
[11:15] <white_eagle> DistroJockey: why release a stable distro with an unstable browser
[11:15] <white_eagle> ?
[11:15]  * DistroJockey shrugs
[11:15] <kahrytan> topyli->  then Pidgin developers would have to make two different clients for Widows and Linux
[11:15] <kahrytan> Windows*
[11:15] <white_eagle> very stupid
[11:15] <goodhabit> white_eagle, actually ff is very stable for now. Possible that version will come as stable.
[11:15] <DistroJockey> white_eagle: works fine here
[11:16] <white_eagle> ff 3.0b5 crashes like hell on me, and is very slow with my internet connection
[11:16] <kahrytan> white_eagle->  Better question: Why release a distro with browser with dozens of unsupported extensions for it
[11:16] <topyli> kahrytan: no, they would implement support for keyrings on all systems, and it would be enabled at compile time
[11:16] <kahrytan> XP doesnt have one.
[11:17] <topyli> kahrytan: also, if they finished gnome-keyring support first, for example, it would be enabled only when compiling for gnome.
[11:17] <white_eagle> for an example when I pass my bandwith limit, my internet connection slows down to 5-10 kb/s and firefox (2.0 or 3.0 betas) hardly even open a web page
[11:17] <white_eagle> and opera opens them really slow, but it opens them
[11:17] <topyli> kahrytan: when they implement a solution for window, the compile option would be enabled there
[11:17] <kahrytan> white_eagle->  you are capped?
[11:17] <white_eagle> kahrytan: ??
[11:17] <white_eagle> yes
[11:17] <white_eagle> to 10 GB
[11:17] <kahrytan> white_eagle->  i feel sorry for you
[11:18] <goodhabit> white_eagle, try to use konqueror browser. Imho it is best browser ever.
[11:18] <whitehawk> ff3.0b5 has lot's of problems
[11:18] <kahrytan> white_eagle-> FF2 is in Repos.
[11:18] <white_eagle> goodhabit: yes konqueror is also fast
[11:18] <kahrytan> thats KDE
[11:18] <goodhabit> Yep.
[11:18] <whitehawk> not rendering correctly and such. It might be the problem of badly coded pages too, but developers didn't adapt yet, so it can lead to a poor experiece
[11:18] <kahrytan> Epiphany is best for Gnome
[11:18]  * goodhabit happy kde4 user.
[11:19]  * white_eagle happy gnome user
[11:19]  * kahrytan happy gnome 2.22 user
[11:19] <DistroJockey> gnome ftw ;)
[11:19] <white_eagle> yes, firefox hardly even opens google.com
[11:19] <kahrytan> white_eagle->  seriously, i feel sorry for you and ISP capping behavior.
[11:20] <white_eagle> nah, its ok
[11:20] <kahrytan> DSL companies dont do that as much.
[11:20] <DistroJockey> kahrytan: better to be slowed than charged $ per MB
[11:20] <white_eagle> yes
[11:20] <white_eagle> you are right
[11:21] <kahrytan> Cable companies cap more, DSL companies are more relaxed.
[11:21] <kahrytan> Why is that?
[11:21] <hyperair> does anyone find that networkmanager keeps prompting for a network key when the accesspoint disappears?
[11:21] <Miineti> cause theyre rich?
[11:21] <white_eagle> is there any webkit linux browser (if we count konqueror as a KHTML browser)?
[11:21] <Miineti> hyperair: yep
[11:21] <kahrytan> white_eagle->  its coming.
[11:22] <hyperair> Miineti: bug isn't it?
[11:22] <Miineti> dunno
[11:22] <white_eagle> konqueror just crashed on me
[11:22] <topyli> ahh the pidgin team does know there's a XEP for jabber PGP support, and there's even a bug about that: http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/288
[11:22] <white_eagle> kahrytan: what browser is comming
[11:22] <Miineti> i often find things buggy, which are sposed to be weird :D
[11:22] <Keule> topyli: is there a solution for preload the start-menu?
[11:22] <DistroJockey> white_eagle: Midori
[11:22] <kahrytan> white_eagle->  the broswer
[11:23] <topyli> Keule: i don't know. i don't use the menu so i'm not terribly interested
[11:23] <kahrytan> white_eagle-> http://software.twotoasts.de/?page=midori
[11:24] <topyli> white_eagle: epiphany-webkit is on the way, and they're dropping gecko support altogether in the future
[11:24] <kahrytan> and by coming, i mean early stages of v0.05
[11:24] <kahrytan> topyli->  I was wondering about that
[11:25] <kahrytan> topyli->  It would be nice to have linux use different rendering enginers.
[11:25] <kahrytan> Firefox, Opera, and Webkit. just need ie... nahhh
[11:25] <topyli> linux uses no engine :)
[11:25] <white_eagle> who the hell needs IE these days
[11:25] <kahrytan> It must uses horses then?
[11:26] <kahrytan> white_eagle-> hence nahhh
[11:26] <white_eagle> all of my friends are happy with either firefox or opera
[11:26] <white_eagle> ;)
[11:26] <white_eagle> is there a release party for hardy?
[11:26] <white_eagle> :D
[11:26] <kahrytan> Web Designers should shut out IE users.
[11:26] <kahrytan> white_eagle-> Only if you bring the champagne.
[11:26] <white_eagle> and "trident" what name  is that
[11:27] <white_eagle> it suxxorz
[11:27] <white_eagle> :D
[11:27] <Miineti> ill get vodka
[11:27] <Miineti> and my collegues :)
[11:27] <kahrytan> white_eagle-> http://live.gnome.org/Epiphany/WebKit
[11:27] <MyKelSilver> Just downloaded the image of the live CD. I know there must be a method to verify the authenticity of the image (sort of CRC or key check) ? And where can I find this key to compare with?
[11:27] <white_eagle> I know
[11:27] <kahrytan> I dont drink beer or liquor.
[11:27] <white_eagle> kahrytan: I know about epiphany
[11:27] <white_eagle> and webkit
[11:28] <Miineti> MyKelSilver: use md5sum
[11:28] <kahrytan> i like the new gnome design
[11:28] <kahrytan> its clean
[11:28] <MyKelSilver> ah yes
[11:28] <white_eagle> is webkit fast? never tried it
[11:28] <white_eagle>  :p
[11:28] <MyKelSilver> But this md5sum is not placed on the ubuntu site.... Any link ?
[11:28] <kahrytan> webkit is Safari engine isnt it?
[11:28] <white_eagle> yes
[11:29] <topyli> white_eagle: fast enough for nokia's mobile browser
[11:29] <white_eagle> nokia's s60 or s40 browser
[11:29] <topyli> s60
[11:29] <Miineti> MD5: c7aea4a4898a16fc0704e0c9e40c7097 *hardy-desktop-i386.iso
[11:29] <Miineti> MD5: d513e3ac7ec0b6e4678e12d4bd52a94e *hardy-desktop-amd64.iso says http://www.livedistro.org/release-announcements/gnu/linux-releases/ubuntu-8-04-lts-hardy-heron-alpha-1
[11:29] <kahrytan> isnt firefox open source?
[11:29] <white_eagle> i think it was called netfront
[11:30] <white_eagle> or something like that
[11:30] <white_eagle> kahrytan: it is
[11:30] <Miineti> oops, thats the alpha
[11:30] <MyKelSilver> Thank you very much ! :-)
[11:30] <Miineti> nononono
[11:30] <MyKelSilver> o
[11:30] <kahrytan> not under gpl. Mozilla license
[11:30] <Volkodav> Checking for Composite extension: not present <== I am getting this error when starting compiz ?
[11:30] <Miineti> thats not the rc :)
[11:30] <white_eagle> but it is open source
[11:30] <MyKelSilver> oeps mmmm
[11:30] <topyli> white_eagle: http://www.s60.com/business/whatss60/builtinapplications/webrowser/
[11:30] <Miineti> http://releases.ubuntu.com/hardy/MD5SUMS
[11:31] <MyKelSilver> :-)
[11:31] <Miineti> there ye are :)
[11:31] <MyKelSilver> super
[11:31] <topyli> white_eagle:  no it's ingeniously dubbed "web browser for s60", or "web" as we affectionally like to call it
[11:31] <white_eagle> i hate apple for not releasing safari for linux
[11:31] <kahrytan> It took me 4 tries to burn Hardy RC cd.
[11:31] <Miineti> MyKelSilver: youre dling the rc, not the beta, right?
[11:31] <kahrytan> white_eagle-> I love Apple for not doing that
[11:31] <kahrytan> i hate it on Windows.
[11:31] <MyKelSilver> yes the latest release C
[11:32] <MyKelSilver> I have now the 7.04 and will try it in VirtualBox
[11:32] <Miineti> 8.04
[11:32] <MyKelSilver> Yes, my current is 7.04
[11:32] <Miineti> k :)
[11:32] <MyKelSilver> And the downloaded is 8.04
[11:33] <MyKelSilver> np
[11:33] <kahrytan> I, however, miss iTunes a little
[11:33] <kahrytan> more and more people are startingto use it for podcasts
[11:33] <white_eagle> stupid xchat crashing on me
[11:34] <Miineti> why xchat?  :P
[11:38] <white_eagle> dinosaur comics also
[11:38] <MyKelSilver> well... I'm ready for the jump to 8.10... First on VirtualBox ... Very curious......... Great feeling :-)
[11:39] <jaffarkelshac> what other text-based apps are there that run in terminal (like mp3blaster, alsamixer)..
[11:39] <MyKelSilver> CYl8ter2All
[11:40] <kahrytan> so whose cmdr taco?
[11:40] <Miineti> gedit? :P
[11:41] <Keule>  how can i preload the startmenu after i logged on? - it lasts 2-4 secs when i klick on it the first time....
[11:41] <Belisarivs> Hi all. I'm experiencing crashes on GMA950 when compiz enabled. Coudl you please helpme to fill useful bug report?
[11:41] <kahrytan> xchat has python too
[11:43] <kahrytan> Belisarivs-> Run Compiz in console and report the error when it crashes.
[11:43] <white_eagle> :D
 I cannot. Mea culpa. Those aren't crashes, but freezes.
[11:44] <kahrytan> error reports are useful
[11:44] <Belisarivs> Mouse works, but that is all. I have to resort to use SysRq
[11:44] <white_eagle> ctrl-alt-del (the comic) ruined my day this day
[11:44] <Volkodav> mine says Checking for Composite extension: not present
[11:44] <Volkodav> I have Composite "1" in xorg
[11:44] <kahrytan> Belisarivs->  upgrade to graphics card?
Not all of them are usefull.
[11:45] <white_eagle> check out the latest xkcd comic
I use Intel GMA950 on notebook HP530.
[11:46] <Belisarivs> Driver is intel 2.2.1
[11:46] <kahrytan> i always thought graphics chipsets sucked at opengl
[11:46] <Belisarivs> Compiz works for me pretty well.
[11:46] <Belisarivs> It didn't even freeze in GG. Now it does.
[11:47] <Belisarivs> I'm not sure where is problem.
[11:47] <white_eagle> hey, if I upgrade to hardy RC now, will upgrading to final not take long?
[11:47] <Belisarivs> Whether it is compiz or intel driver.
[11:47] <kahrytan> white_eagle->  cuz then all you got is package updates
[11:47] <kahrytan> like the 12 today
[11:48] <topyli> white_eagle: you will be stealthily upgrade to the final during the week
[11:48] <topyli> just keep installing the updates
[11:48] <white_eagle> how big (in MB) is the RC update?
[11:49] <white_eagle> I am using gutsy
[11:49] <topyli> as big as your gutsy installation
[11:49] <bazhang> very big
[11:49] <kahrytan> white_eagle-> Imagine installing Gnome 2.22 and it's extras
[11:49] <white_eagle> 700 MB?
[11:49] <white_eagle> wow
[11:49] <topyli> surprised?
[11:49] <white_eagle> yeah
[11:49] <topyli> all packages will be updated, no?
[11:49] <white_eagle> i thought it would be smaller
[11:50] <Lamego> white_eagle, it is the equivalent to a full install
[11:50] <white_eagle> well, I need to pay for the internet, so my download speed to get higher
[11:50] <white_eagle> then I will update to hardy
[11:50] <topyli> it's probably more than a full install since you've installed extra goodies after installing gutsy
[11:50] <white_eagle> yeah
[11:50] <Keule>  how can i preload the startmenu after i logged on? - it lasts 2-4 secs when i klick on it the first time....
[11:51] <kahrytan> that darn cap
All packages, you have, are to be upgraded. Therefore big download.
[11:51] <kahrytan> You keep running into that cap, white_eagle
[11:51] <white_eagle> It won't take longer than 8 hours I think
[11:51] <kahrytan> white_eagle->  ever considered isp change that doesnt cap?
[11:51] <white_eagle> :)
[11:52] <kahrytan> Just download the iso
[11:52] <white_eagle> I don't have an ISP which doesn't cap
[11:52] <white_eagle> overhere
[11:52] <GIn> how to upgrade to the rc verison? I don't want to wait any more
[11:52] <kahrytan> dsl?
[11:52] <white_eagle> it does have an Isp which doesn't cap
[11:52] <kahrytan> !ugrade
[11:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ugrade - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:52] <kahrytan> !upgrade
[11:52] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[11:52] <white_eagle> but its too expensive
[11:52] <white_eagle> and its cable
[11:52] <white_eagle> I hate cable internet
[11:53] <GIn> there is no info about upgrade to Hardy on that page
[11:53] <lumm> most cable isps also shape the shit outa hell
[11:53] <kahrytan> dont you have dsl
[11:53] <white_eagle> I am using wifi now (don't laugh its pretty fast)
[11:53] <kahrytan> avail
[11:53] <white_eagle> its pretty fast when I don't go over the cap
[11:53] <kahrytan> You could contact LoCo if anyone can spare a cd
[11:53] <white_eagle> ;)
[11:53] <Keule> preloading
[11:54] <Lamego> GIn, check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSUpgradesHowto
[11:54] <white_eagle> If I want a package for internet which doesn't cap, it costs ~40$
[11:54] <kahrytan> thats an idea .. LoCo could make copies of release cds that are downloaded.
[11:54] <white_eagle> and thats expensive for m
[11:54] <white_eagle> me*
[11:55] <lumm> u can request them for free
[11:55] <white_eagle> I will upgrade soon, don't worry
[11:55] <white_eagle> ;)
[11:55] <white_eagle> soon = tommorow
[11:55] <lumm> lets see if i can remember my shipit.com axs
[11:55] <kahrytan> white_eagle-> I got DSL, Unlimited Local and LD, Caller ID,  for $56/month
[11:55] <lumm> could need 1-2 hardy orginaql cds as well=)
[11:55] <white_eagle> I have a shipit account
[11:56] <white_eagle> and I have ordered a cd
[11:56] <white_eagle> preordered*
[11:56] <kahrytan> shipit does hardy now
[11:56] <lumm> :)
[11:56] <white_eagle> yes
[11:56] <white_eagle> and I have joined a translators group
[11:56] <lumm> will req mien now
[11:56] <white_eagle> i'm doing good for now
[11:56] <lumm> lets see how long it will take
[11:56] <lumm> :D
[11:56] <kahrytan> a month
[11:56] <lumm> guess they have lots of work this days
[11:56] <lumm> gutsy i got after 2 weeks :>
[11:57] <white_eagle> I got gutsy about 2.5 weeks
[11:57] <white_eagle> after
[11:57] <kahrytan> Final CD is preparing uploaded to manufacturer like the 22nd-23rd
[11:57] <kahrytan> -preparing
[11:57] <white_eagle> what will 8.10 be called?
[11:57] <white_eagle> :D
[11:57] <kahrytan> i forgot. its named
[11:57] <kahrytan> !releases
[11:57] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[11:57] <white_eagle> thanks
[11:58] <kahrytan> Intrepid Ibex is 8.10
[11:58] <lumm> btw if u setup a crypted lvm with alternate cd and then update to lvm2 root partition isnt mounted anymore after bootup..:S
[11:58] <white_eagle> oh, and do you happen to know when will gnome 2.24 be released
[11:58] <lumm> dunno if its a bug
[11:58] <lumm> i get an error will post it later
[11:59] <kahrytan> white_eagle->  let
[11:59] <kahrytan> white_eagle->  lets hope before Ibex.
[11:59] <topyli> white_eagle: september 24
[12:00] <GIn> need to dl about 600MB to upgrade, basically the hardy iso
[12:00] <white_eagle> on september 29 is my birthday
[12:00] <white_eagle> :(
[12:00] <white_eagle> I would have liked it :D
[12:00] <kahrytan> I wonder how many people realize the version numbers in Ubuntu mean something.
[12:00] <white_eagle> to be released on my birthday
[12:00] <white_eagle> they do
[12:01] <kahrytan> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule
[12:01] <Keule> how can i preload the startmenu after i logged on? - it lasts 2-4 secs when i klick on it the first time....  Prelink istn necessary since feisty.. but my starmenu ist damn slow
[12:01] <GIn> kahrytan: not many ppl know the meaning of the numbers
[12:01] <white_eagle> I do I do
[12:01] <white_eagle> :)
[12:01] <kahrytan> Year.Month
[12:02] <kahrytan> In October 2010, it will be 10.10
[12:03] <gluer> wonder what it will look like in 2020
[12:03] <kahrytan> w/o bash i hope
[12:04] <kahrytan> eventually, it will have to go. and no doube people will drag their feet
[12:04] <kahrytan> doubt*
[12:04] <white_eagle> in 10.10 windows will fall :D
[12:04] <topyli> only three new modules proposed for gnome 2.24 btw. conduit, empathy, hamster-applet (whatever that is)
[12:04] <white_eagle> hamster-applet?
[12:04] <kahrytan> white_eagle-> Windows will in 2014.
[12:05] <topyli> not sure if conduit will be mature enough in time. i would love to see empathy get in though
[12:05] <kahrytan> winn fall
[12:05] <GIn> gnome should "fix" their browse dialog window first.
[12:05] <kahrytan> white_eagle->  it takes M$ 6-7 years for new release. So it will fall with Windows 7
[12:05] <topyli> GIn: new modules don't interfere with fixing existing modules
[12:05] <white_eagle> windows will fall on 24 april
[12:05] <white_eagle> :)
[12:05] <gluer> when is gnome menu system getting a facelift?
[12:05] <topyli> gnome has no chat client, and since one is proposed now i'm glad it's based on telepathy
[12:06] <white_eagle> bye guys, of to school
[12:06] <kahrytan> gluer->  when you install new one?
[12:06] <topyli> gluer: which menu?
[12:06] <kahrytan> topyli-> the gnome main menu applet
[12:06] <gluer> yeh
[12:07] <kahrytan> gluer->  you should see Linux Mint
[12:07] <topyli> i haven't heard of plans to change it
[12:07] <gluer> kahrytan: is it good?
[12:07] <kahrytan> gluer-> http://linuxmint.com/screenshots.php
[12:07] <topyli> i think they entertained the idea of a slab-based menu but reason won
[12:08] <GIn> the gnome menu is fine.. using the one on Linux mint, takes more time to get to an application
[12:08] <kahrytan> topyli->  the linux mint menu is the main reason i want to learn python
[12:09] <kahrytan> Linux Mint doesnt use gnome main menu
[12:09] <topyli> GIn: well, using a menu in general increases the time to actually launch an application :)
[12:09] <kahrytan> topyli->  typing it in console increases time to actually launch and appl.
[12:10] <kahrytan> Especially those who type slow.
[12:10] <gluer> i dont want to type everything
[12:10] <topyli> deskbar-applet or gnome-do search for application names
[12:10] <kahrytan> It would be nice if they ported Mint menu to ubuntu
[12:10] <topyli> want a text editor, type "text" and the app is probably already there
[12:11] <topyli> kahrytan: mint is based on ubuntu, i bet the menu will run just fine
[12:11] <kahrytan> topyli->  the new menu feature in deskbar in hardy is cuz of me.
[12:11] <topyli> what new menu feature?
[12:11] <kahrytan> Mint Menu is tied into the distro oh-so-wel.
[12:12] <Miineti> how tis, MyKelSilver? :)
[12:12] <topyli> kahrytan: no it's not, it's just a package. iirc there's also a library you need
[12:12] <MyKelSilver> Just want to step by to say: Great Work fellows! Nice
[12:12] <kahrytan> topyli-> Window Behavior for Deskbar
[12:12] <MyKelSilver> Very happy
[12:12] <kahrytan> topyli-> Mint menu packages requires Mint Desktop package
[12:12] <gluer> i want a floating dock that has main icons, that i can scroll through with the mouse scroller then select
[12:12] <topyli> kahrytan: windo behavior? i don't see what you mean
[12:13] <kahrytan> topyli->  Deskbar>Preferences>General tab
[12:13] <topyli> kahrytan: oh. so install it
[12:13] <MyKelSilver> The only drawback is that it have to reboot :-)
[12:13] <kahrytan> You have to install Linux Mint for the mint menu
[12:13] <MyKelSilver> Had my machine always online
[12:13] <Yetiszaf> What do I do if hardy crashes every now and then and SysRQ is not working?
[12:13] <topyli> no :(
[12:13] <Kano> hi, why is it not possible to install sun-java-plugin? just tested kubuntu kde4 live mode
[12:14] <MyKelSilver> 7.10 has never failed to me
[12:14] <topyli> kahrytan: the "stick to panel" thing? that's the original behavior. the window decoration was a momentary lapse of reason i think
[12:14] <MyKelSilver> But I definitely go to this version
[12:15] <kahrytan> topyli-> Yeah .. and I filed a feature suggestion.
[12:15] <Svish> is it possible to get the ctrl+alt+f1 terminal to automatically log in and start something when i boot up ubuntu?
[12:15] <topyli> kahrytan: great
[12:15] <kahrytan> arrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh
[12:15] <JohnRobert> arrggg
[12:15] <kahrytan> What is wrong with ubuntu Date and Time
[12:15] <MyKelSilver> thx 2 all adios
[12:15] <kahrytan> it cant keep time
[12:16] <Svish> mine works perfectly
[12:16] <Miineti> mine does nearly
[12:16] <kahrytan> There is no UT preference anywhere anymore
[12:16] <topyli> oh ok, hamster is a time tracker tool
[12:17] <topyli> kahrytan: you probably want to sync with a time server. pc clocks are about as reliable as humans
[12:18] <kahrytan> cant... no hst server
[12:18] <kahrytan> nor will it allow me too.
[12:18] <kahrytan> keeps saying to install ntp... duh.. i did
[12:19] <topyli> kahrytan: hst? your timezone? time servers don't care what timezone you're in
[12:19] <kahrytan> yeah but server should be local should nti?
[12:19] <Yetiszaf> Svish: take a look at /etc/event.d/tty*
[12:20] <Svish> Yetiszaf: no such file or directory
[12:20] <Yetiszaf> Svish: is /etc/inittab there?
[12:21] <jaffarkelshac> is there a straight forward way to find out what command launches certain progams? so far i add it to panel and right click properties to find out, is there an easy and straight forward way?
[12:21] <topyli> kahrytan: no it doesn't need to be local
[12:21] <Svish> Yetiszaf: no, but /etc/event.d is. and when I ls I get tty1 and tty2 and so on
[12:21] <Svish> Yetiszaf: but no tty
[12:21] <kahrytan> topyli->  it sends timezone during request?
[12:21] <Lamego> jaffarkelshac, you can look at /usr/share/applications
[12:22] <Yetiszaf> Svish: well, that's why I wrote tty*. Take tty1, thats the first terminal.
[12:22] <Svish> oh, hehe, sorry
[12:22] <Svish> Yetiszaf: but how do I use it?
[12:22] <topyli> kahrytan: i guess they speak in UTC, your system takes care of adjusting to timezone
[12:22] <Svish> it says stuff like start on stopped rc2, etc...
[12:22] <Svish> stop on runlevel 0
[12:22] <Oli``> How can I downgrade firefox to v3 beta 4? I need firebug for my livelihood =)
[12:22] <Ng> jaffarkelshac: there's a menu editor in System->Preferences which you can use to examine all the menu launchers
[12:23] <jaffarkelshac> Lamego, so all icons are .desktop
[12:23] <Lamego> jaffarkelshac, yup
[12:24] <Yetiszaf> Svish: There should be a line in tty0 starting with getty. That's the one starting the login. If you modify that to run the program you want ...
[12:24] <kahrytan> topyli->  Ifthey speak UTC, then computer adds -10 to the time
[12:24] <kahrytan> for me
[12:25] <Svish> Yetiszaf: there is no tty0, and in tty1 there is no line starting with getty
[12:25] <Svish> Yetiszaf: the first line of the file is "# tty1 - getty"
[12:26] <kahrytan> Oli``->  you can install FF2
[12:26] <Yetiszaf> Svish: is there a file called /etc/event.d/tty0
[12:26] <Svish> Yetiszaf: http://pastebin.com/d3cf4a85f
[12:26] <Svish> Yetiszaf: no such file no
[12:26] <Svish> Yetiszaf: just tty1 to tty6
[12:27] <Oli``> kahrytan: I'm happy with FF3. Beta 4 was perfect. I thought there was a way to go back to a previous version using apt
[12:27] <Miineti> no my clock insists, that its 2 hours earlier than it is :S
[12:27] <Yetiszaf> Svish: good. now lock at the last line in tty1.
[12:27] <Svish> yeah, the exec line?
[12:27] <kahrytan> Oli``-> I dont know .. if you do. lock the package in Synaptic
[12:27] <kahrytan> Oli``->  that will keep it from being updated
[12:28] <Yetiszaf> Svish: exactly. it calls getty to tty1. That line is what makes the login-prompt appear.
[12:29] <kahrytan> topyli->  I see no one considered to add warning msg to tty (ctrl-alt-f1)
[12:29] <Svish> Yetiszaf: hm... so, the lines after respawn is what happens when I press ctrl+alt+f1, kind of?
[12:29] <Yetiszaf> Svish: now you should look at the manpage for getty and then build a wrapper which dumps all priviledges and runs at the UID of the user you want logged in and then calls the program you want to run.
[12:30] <Yetiszaf> Svish: Not exactly. when you press C-A-F1 you tell your OS you want to see a the virtual console 1.  The line happens when you boot the system and everytime you exit a shell on the console 1.
[12:30] <Svish> aha
[12:32] <Svish> Yetiszaf: it only talks about modem stuff though... not sure how to go about this :p
[12:33] <kahrytan> in case no one seen -> http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o200/kahrytan/Screenshot/Hardy-04_20_08.png <- my take on hardy
[12:37] <Keule> can someone tell me how i use preload or similar
[12:37] <Yetiszaf> Svish: well ... it thinks your Terminal is one ...
[12:37] <Keule> i only get a manual console tag.... how can i make a script for startup....?
[12:37] <Svish> Yetiszaf: weird...
[12:38] <Svish> Yetiszaf: so anyways, could I then just add an exec top for example to get a top running on that consol? or?
[12:38] <Yetiszaf> Svish: Nope, Oldschool.
[12:38] <Svish> :p
[12:39] <Yetiszaf> Svish: We have a set of PCs running that are in an office without a copymachine. On those PCs tty1 has the Line "exec /sbin/getty -n -l /usr/local/bin/copy.pl 38400 tty1" inside, that just starts a perlscript which copys on the press of the "c"-button.
[12:40] <Yetiszaf> Svish: for linux, it does not matter whether the console is local and virtual or serial or remote or via modem. It's all the same.
[12:40] <Svish> so I could change that copy.pl to something else? like top? just as an example
[12:40] <Svish> or ls for that matter
[12:41] <Svish> just, something simple that does something :p
[12:41] <Svish> top is probably a better example since it doesnt stop running
[12:42] <Yetiszaf> Svish: No, you should never ever do something like that.
[12:43] <Yetiszaf> Svish: top would be running as root, and you don't want that.
[12:43] <Svish> Yetiszaf: hm... :p ok...
[12:43] <Svish> Yetiszaf: how can I get it to run as something else then? like my normal user
[12:43] <Yetiszaf> What you want is a little script that dumps all priviledges to either nobody or a user created to run that script and secured enough to not give people access.
[12:44] <Svish> Yetiszaf: and in english that would be? :p sorry, im not too familiar with linux stuff yet...
[12:46] <Yetiszaf> Svish: you want something that does not open the root-Account. You want something that sets the active user to someone with less rights.
[12:46] <Svish> Yetiszaf: and how do I do that?
[12:46] <Svish> i dont even have a clue how to start on that, hehe
[12:49] <Yetiszaf> Svish: take a look at "rungetty". that should do most of the work for you.
[12:49] <Svish> Yetiszaf: ok. will do :) thanks for the help
[12:50] <Keule> how can i preload the startmenu after i logged on? - it lasts 2-4 secs when i klick on it the first time....  Prelink istn necessary since feisty.. but my starmenu ist damn slow - theres is preload in repros - how can i add that to startup?
[12:52] <DistroJockey> Keule: sounds like the following:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/44002
[12:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 44002 in gnome-panel "Trivial actions are not appearing immediately" [Low,Triaged]
[12:53] <ricanelite> hello and good morning everyone
[12:53] <naught101> has anyone using kdenlive seen it log you out of your desktop?
[12:53] <DistroJockey> good evening ricanelite
[12:54] <kahrytan> ricanelite->  what time is it there?
[12:55] <Keule> DistroJockey: sounds so - how can i use "preload" for startup?
[12:55] <DistroJockey> Keule: no idea, sorry
[12:55] <Keule> i can type sudo preload oowriter
[12:55] <Keule> but thats manually - i want to have this at startup :(
[12:58] <kahrytan> gnome sessions, Keule
[12:58] <ricanelite> 8:00am est
[12:59] <ricanelite> i live in Virginia, USA
[12:59] <ricanelite> i just installed Hardy
[12:59] <kahrytan> ricanelite->  aww .. I was there once upon a time. then i moved to HST
[12:59] <jimqode_> Hello. I'm trying to install a package with libgsl0 dependancy. libgsl0ldbl seems to replace it and package work fine with that. But package manager sees the package as broken dependencies and want to remove it
[12:59] <ricanelite> it is awesome that the Compiz-Fusion Plugins like 3D windows is already in there
[12:59] <Keule> kahrytan: ok and sudo works? - is that the correct way? or would it be correct otherwise
[12:59] <jimqode_> how can I set that packages state to installed instead of broken
[12:59] <ricanelite> wish the screen saver like flying windows was in there by default
[13:00] <ricanelite> is there a howto to get that screensaver in there
[13:00] <kahrytan> Keule->  but then it would ask for password
[13:00] <ricanelite> cause I'm fairly new to linux
[13:00] <kahrytan> ricanelite-> there is of flying ubuntu logos
[13:00] <ricanelite> there a screensaver that is flying windows
[13:00] <ricanelite> it is past of the compiz-plugins
[13:00] <kahrytan> ricanelite-> Screensaver Prefs
[13:01] <kahrytan> ricanelite->  called Floating Ubuntu
[13:01] <Keule>  kahrytan i know - isnt it possible with scripts or does preload in a other way? im not so familar with that
[13:01] <ricanelite> no it is on the ccsm settings
[13:02] <kahrytan> Keule->  dunno
[13:02] <ricanelite> like the fish in the transparent cube
[13:02] <kahrytan> but thats not screensaver, ricanelite
[13:02] <ricanelite> oh okay
[13:02] <Keule> kahrytan: dunno?
[13:02] <ricanelite> do you know where there is a howto to get that on there
[13:02] <ricanelite> but the ones i found is really hard to understand
[13:02] <ricanelite> being that im not good with the terminal
[13:03] <ricanelite> but willing to learn
[13:03] <ricanelite> this was the post i loved
[13:03] <ricanelite> but for some reason i cannot get in there no more
[13:03] <ricanelite> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=659282
[13:03] <kahrytan> ricanelite-> what?
[13:03] <ricanelite> where it has all of the 13 compiz plugins and was a awesome step by step howto
[13:04] <kahrytan> You dont have ccsm?
[13:04] <ricanelite> i have ccsm
[13:04] <ricanelite> but there is certain plugins i don't have
[13:04] <kahrytan> i dont use compize
[13:04] <ricanelite> like the snow flakes plugin
[13:04] <_Rambaldi_> !flood
[13:04] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[13:04] <kahrytan> Some of them wont work in ubuntu
[13:05] <ricanelite> well all of them did
[13:05] <ricanelite> when i followed the instructions
[13:05] <ricanelite> i will find a howto somewhere
[13:06] <kahrytan> Album Flip ripoff of itunes wont work I think
[13:06] <kahrytan> o h wait.. it was the pop out windows in 3d cube
[13:06] <kahrytan> thats the one i wanted
[13:10] <kahrytan> and it  is in Hardy
[13:10] <kahrytan> wahoo!
[13:17] <kahrytan> Anyone awake?
[13:18] <Andy80> how can I rename the connection created with "Connect to server" in Ubuntu?
[13:19] <Andy80> in Ubuntu 7.10 I could specify a nem for the connection... now the default name is "ftp as<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:21] <kahrytan> Hello
[13:23] <kahrytan> Break News only on News Channel 9; New Viruses Spreads. Silents many users of Hardy heron in #ubuntu+1. More at a 11.
[13:23] <kahrytan> tough crowd.
[13:25] <jtravnick> trying to figure out if its 11am or pm when the more news is going to be on
[13:25] <Miineti> 11 WHERE?
[13:25] <kahrytan> lol
[13:25] <kahrytan> 11pm ..
[13:26] <Miineti> ecuador? malaysia? NZ?
[13:26] <kahrytan> Announced at 6'oclock news, more at 11
[13:26] <kahrytan> Evening news joke
[13:26] <Miineti> MET?
[13:26] <jtravnick> oh well see thats past my bed time as an old fart im lucky to be awake till 10pm
[13:26] <kahrytan> its 2:30am here
[13:26] <Miineti> :P bad joke
[13:26] <kahrytan> and still have been to bed
[13:27] <kahrytan> then again, i didnt wake up til 4pm
[13:27] <kahrytan> thats cuz i stayed up til 5am previous day
[13:27]  * kahrytan needs to find work.
[13:28] <jtravnick> I tend to have to do that all winter so glad spring is finaly here
[13:28] <kahrytan> jtravnick->  It's Hawaii, its Spring all year long
[13:28] <Miineti> i tend to never sleep :S
[13:28] <Miineti> kewl
[13:28] <kahrytan> My father has a joke
[13:28] <kahrytan> about the weather her
[13:28] <Miineti> kahrytan: can ye rent me some space at yours?
[13:28] <kahrytan> here
[13:29] <jtravnick> kahrytan, northern wisconsin here get two sesons snow and spring
[13:29] <kahrytan> Tempature is 80-90degrees, Raining somewhere on the island, there is fire somewhere in hawaii, and the surf is either up  or down :::waving hang loose hand:::
[13:30] <kahrytan> Miineti->  the studio I live in is 550 sq ft. Normally rents for $1100 a month. I get it dirt cheap cuz my parents own it.
[13:30] <kahrytan> Miineti->  Ultilties included in Condo unit... Cable, A/C, Water. Elec.
[13:31] <jtravnick> A/C whats that?
[13:31] <kahrytan> Air Conditioner.
[13:31] <kahrytan> Central A/C
[13:32] <jtravnick> whats it do?
[13:33] <Amaranth> jtravnick: err, you must live somewhere really cold :P
[13:33] <kahrytan> jtravnick->  What1? you live in a third word country?
[13:33] <Miineti> it makes the air comfy
[13:34] <Miineti> 1100...
[13:34]  * Miineti faints
[13:34]  * orvokki hugs Miineti
[13:34] <Miineti> marry me!
[13:34] <Miineti> :P
[13:34] <jtravnick> hey were lucky if we get three weeks a year over 80s
[13:34] <kahrytan> jtravnick->  where?
[13:34] <jtravnick> kahrytan, northern wisconsin
[13:35] <IdleOne> might as well be in Alaska
[13:35] <orvokki> Miineti: The letters 'N' and 'O' popped up into my mind for some reason.
[13:35] <jtravnick> have more deer than people in this town
[13:35] <orvokki> ^^
[13:35] <kahrytan> I know someone who has a 1mil contract offer to work in Alaska for 3 years
[13:35] <Miineti> on?
[13:36] <Miineti> on what?
[13:36] <orvokki> I'm sure you're a nice guy but maybe still no. =^_^=
[13:36] <kahrytan> 1mil 3 year contract off to work in alaska
[13:36] <IdleOne> 3 yrs for a million
[13:36] <IdleOne> kahrytan: doing what? hunting seals???
[13:36] <kahrytan> IdleOne->  would you take it?
[13:37] <IdleOne> kahrytan: would depend on what the job is
[13:37]  * Miineti is a girl
[13:37] <kahrytan> Pharmacist job
[13:37] <Miineti> kewl
[13:37] <Miineti> i get 36k per anno in pharmacy
[13:37] <IdleOne> kahrytan: nope. they have enough drug addicts in alaska dont need me giving then more
[13:37] <Miineti> they gotta have much too much money over there, eh?
[13:38] <Miineti> 36k euros, though
[13:38] <IdleOne> Miineti: so about 52000 US a year
[13:38] <kahrytan> Pharmcist avg pay is 100k
[13:38] <kahrytan> USD
[13:38] <Miineti> wew
[13:38] <Miineti> what kind of pharmacist are ye speakin about? O_O
[13:38] <jtravnick> Miineti, na its just hard to get people to move out there
[13:39] <IdleOne> hmm more like 58000 US
[13:39] <kahrytan> thats 700k more to work in Alaska.
[13:39] <Miineti> owner of parexel like?
[13:39] <kahrytan> IdleOne->  Salary.com wage
[13:39] <orvokki> Miineti: Whether a guy or a girl, I still don't know you. :)
[13:39] <Lynoure> kahrytan: never guessed you were a pharmacist...
[13:39] <kahrytan> Lynoure->  it's not me
[13:39] <Miineti> if i can harass my gf to go to alaska, ill come :D
[13:40] <Miineti> orvokki, actually i wanted to marry kahrytan, btw ;)
[13:40] <kahrytan> lol
[13:41] <kahrytan> Everyone would love to be in Hawai`i
[13:41] <orvokki> Miineti: Thank God.
[13:41] <Lynoure> I wouldn't. :)
[13:41] <jtravnick> not me
[13:42] <Miineti> what island you live on?
[13:42] <kahrytan> the one where close to million is on.
[13:42] <jtravnick> had a chance to go there when i was in the army turned it down to go to germany instead
[13:42] <longtimeuser> Greetings all
[13:42] <Miineti> :S
[13:42] <kahrytan> jtravnick->  slap yourself.
[13:42] <longtimeuser> does touchscreen work in this ubuntu version ?
[13:42] <Lynoure> Miineti: not on an island, just a slightly different culture preference :)
[13:42] <kahrytan> jtravnick->  cuz hawaii is far better
[13:42] <jtravnick> kahrytan, nope loved my time over seas
[13:43] <kahrytan> There is big difference between Hawaii people and US Mainland people.
[13:43] <longtimeuser> can touch screen work guys ?
[13:43] <kahrytan> ^ anyone answer him?
[13:43] <longtimeuser> right now im on my tablet and touch screen doesnt work on 7.10 , and battery consumtion is 4 times windows
[13:43] <jtravnick> kahrytan, not for a G.I couldnt hardly afford to go off base back than
[13:44] <Lynoure> kahrytan: Not necessarily to a foreigner with a goofy sense of humour :)
[13:44] <kahrytan> Lynoure->  people here tend to live the ALoha spirit.
[13:44] <kahrytan> Lynoure->  thats like, living Ubuntu spirit but much better
[13:45] <longtimeuser> can ubuntu be drugged?
[13:45] <Lynoure> kahrytan: If you want me to explain, I can, in a message :)
[13:45] <kahrytan> Lynoure->  i accept.
[13:45] <Miineti> longtimeuser: unfortunately the only yet implemented is cigarettes
[13:46] <Miineti> and coffee
[13:46] <jtravnick> after watching that dog bounty hunter seams to me most are on crack over there
[13:46] <longtimeuser> i knew it , freaky questions gets the geeks attention , now please tell me can touch screen work with 8.04?
[13:47] <IdleOne> 3 times the average yearky salary to go to Alaska for 3 years isnt bad. I would take the offer ( if single and no kids )
[13:47] <IdleOne> yearly*
[13:47] <Miineti> longtimeuser: may be
[13:47] <bazhang> longtimeuser: some can yes
[13:47] <jtravnick> IdleOne,  lets see wife and kids? heck theres two resons for me to go lol
[13:48] <IdleOne> jtravnick: hehe I hear ya
[13:48] <longtimeuser> im getting married soon
[13:48] <IdleOne> dont do it!
[13:48] <jtravnick> longtimeuser, im sorry to hear it
[13:48] <Miineti> my girlfriend wants to stay :S
[13:48] <IdleOne> run RUN DAMN YOU  run!
[13:49] <longtimeuser> im slick with plans
[13:49] <Miineti> longtimeuser: my compassion
[13:49] <longtimeuser> i will make her high all day
[13:49] <longtimeuser> i will cook for her and make her tea everyday , but with my mixture
[13:49] <kahrytan> longtimeuser->  congratulations to the end of your know life.
[13:49] <kahrytan> known*
[13:49] <longtimeuser> my magic mixture
[13:49] <IdleOne> !o4o
[13:49] <ubotu> Some things are inappropriate for #ubuntu+1. Controversial topics, which always turn into flame wars: war, race, religion, politics, gender, sexuality, drugs, questionable legal activities, suicide are not for here. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Freenode Policy)
[13:50] <longtimeuser> w3ed is drugs
[13:50] <longtimeuser> didnt know that
[13:50] <bazhang> why not take this to offtopic?
[13:50] <longtimeuser> no need i dont like to smoke i just like to cook , ;) im a cook
[13:51] <Miineti> what was the name of the offtopic chan?
[13:51] <longtimeuser> ubuntu-offtopic
[13:51] <bazhang> !ot
[13:51] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[13:51] <Miineti> you cook with pot?
[13:51] <longtimeuser> i will have to start cooking with pot when i get married lol
[13:51] <bazhang> Miineti: will call ops if you do not stop
[13:51] <Miineti> sry :)
[13:52] <longtimeuser> this channel is great
[13:52] <longtimeuser> i feel like quaking all over
[13:52] <longtimeuser> where is the frags
[13:52] <longtimeuser> lol
[13:52] <longtimeuser> hey bazhang i got you , a 11 second prediction that was soo sad of you to fall on my rocket
[13:53] <jtravnick> speaking of frags anyone playing doom3 on hardy yet?
[13:53] <longtimeuser> talk about UT3
[13:53] <bazhang> !ot > longtimeuser
[13:53] <longtimeuser> never mind
[13:53] <longtimeuser> take care all
[13:54] <_Lucretia_> how I find out which version number of the catalyst drivers are installed?
[13:54] <IdleOne> bazhang: that topic is ot in all ubuntu channels
[13:54] <kahrytan> _Lucretia_->  ati?
[13:54] <rever> Hi I upgraded my Gutsy install to Hardy on Friday, Everything seemed to go fine except my CPU usage is always very high. Compiz.real and xorg are always between 60-90
[13:54] <_Lucretia_> kahrytan: yeah
[13:54] <rever> This is on a Intel T7700 with Nvidia 8600GT
[13:54] <kahrytan> Synaptic would tell you what deb version is installed
[13:54] <_Lucretia_> kahrytan: fglrxinfo only shows the GL version number
[13:55] <IdleOne> bazhang: SEE>>> longtimeuser<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left #ubuntu-offtopic (requested by Seveas: "out.")
[13:55] <longtimeuser> i thought offtopic can speak about anything lol
[13:55] <bazhang> IdleOne: certainly is; but the general chitchat should be in ot channel
[13:55] <_Lucretia_> kahrytan: yeah, but I want to know which ATi version number it is, i.e. Catalyst 7.12, 8.3, 8.4, etc.
[13:55] <IdleOne> bazhang: yes you are right. I did not realise I was in here when chatting
[13:55] <longtimeuser> so offtopic is not for free talks ?
[13:55] <geu> Hi i wanted to install the ubuntu-xen-desktop package on my hardy system, but xenman is simply missing http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/base/ubuntu-xen-desktop?lang=de thats the reason it cant be installed, does one of you know a way to install xenman on hardy and afterward simply run apt-get install ubuntu-xen-desktop again?
[13:56] <Seveas> !o4o > longtimeuser
[13:56] <kahrytan> _Lucretia_->  find what deb you got installed
[13:56] <zub> longtimeuser: in OT you can speak only about war, race, religion, politics, gender, sexuality, drugs, questionable legal activities, suicide :))
[13:56] <kahrytan> zub->  more like .. cant talk about those things.
[13:56] <longtimeuser> i can speak ?
[13:56] <IdleOne> Seveas: I already showed him the factoid. didnt help him much
[13:56] <longtimeuser> i talked about drug they kicked me
[13:56] <Seveas> k
[13:57] <Seveas> longtimeuser, behave in here and no offtopic talk or they'll kick you from here as well
[13:57] <IdleOne> !coc | longtimeuser read the follwing it explains
[13:57] <ubotu> longtimeuser read the follwing it explains: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[13:57] <baudelaire> QUESTION: Can anyone tell me the official reason why webmin isn't in the repositories?  I can't seem to find it.  Thank you!
[13:57] <rever> Anyone else having issues with High CPU Usage in Hardy?
[13:57] <jtravnick>  longtimeuser dont feel bad i was signing a song and they baned me
[13:57] <Seveas> baudelaire, because it's unsafe and unmaintained
[13:57] <_Lucretia_> kahrytan: linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-16.34
[13:57] <longtimeuser> no im not feeling bad
[13:58] <baudelaire> sorry, Thank you, Seveas
[13:58] <longtimeuser> im thinking how to talk with those brains
[13:58] <longtimeuser> so they are gentlement
[13:58] <bews1> I'm trying to produce a workaround for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/197209 in time for Hardy, but gnome-power-manager isn't cooperating
[13:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197209 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "[fglrx] fglrx + compiz fusion won't resume" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[13:58] <geu> can i use a source tarball to install it? btw. what is a source tarball?
[13:58] <Seveas> longtimeuser, last warning. no offtopic chitchat in here
[13:59] <_Lucretia_> kahrytan: xorg-driver-fglrx 1:7.1.0-8-3+<IP_ADDRESS>-16.34  <<-- I take it the 8-3 means Catalyst 8.3?
[13:59] <Lamego> !compile | geu
[13:59] <ubotu> geu: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[13:59] <longtimeuser> Seveas, how to work touch screen on my tablet
[13:59] <IdleOne> !tablet
[13:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tablet - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:59] <IdleOne> hmmm
[13:59] <bews1> _Lucretia_: that's what it means
[13:59] <_Lucretia_> bews1: thatnks
[14:00] <_Lucretia_> bews1: I'm running the compviz stuff (nice) and 3D overlays dunt werk!
[14:00] <bews1> _Lucretia_: sorry, I don't even know what a 3d overlay is
[14:00] <_Lucretia_> bews1: well showing 3D in a window on the desktop
[14:00] <bews1> ATI did release an 8-4 driver though
[14:01] <_Lucretia_> yeah
[14:01] <bews1> _Lucretia_: if you are using XGL, that will fail.
[14:01] <_Lucretia_> bews1: no idea
[14:01] <_Lucretia_> bews1: how do I know?
[14:01] <_Lucretia_> bews1: or...find out, even :D
[14:01] <bews1> I think pgrep Xgl'
[14:01] <bews1> I mean 'pgrep Xgl' will tell you.
[14:02] <_Lucretia_> bews1: don't you have to grep a file or something?
[14:02] <bews1> ps waux | grep Xgl
[14:02] <bews1> same basic idea
[14:02] <_Lucretia_> oh
[14:02] <_Lucretia_> well pgrep Xgl brought back nothing
[14:03]  * _Lucretia_ has never used pgrep before :/
[14:03] <_Lucretia_> that's a new one
[14:03] <bews1> Then I have no hints other than "aticonfig --overlay-type=xv" which is in all the HOWTOs
[14:03] <bews1> \me learned pgrep yesterday
[14:03]  * bews1 learned it but not how to use the slash key
[14:03] <_Lucretia_> yeah I did that command yesterday, but it did nothing
[14:04] <_Lucretia_> doesn't actually change anything
[14:07] <longtimeuser> cya all
[14:09] <kahrytan> Why do people still use ati in ubuntu?
[14:11] <kahrytan> I heard so many horror stories about ati in linux ... has it gone away?
[14:11] <bazhang> you have an issue with ati kahrytan or just want to chat
[14:12] <spiniker> hello
[14:13] <kahrytan> bazhang-> has ati issue in Linux been fixed?
[14:13] <_Lucretia_> for the 3D desktop stuff, should I have AIGLX enabled in the xorg.conf?
[14:13] <bazhang> kahrytan: what is your specific issue; what have you done what card and how did you install the drivers
[14:14] <kahrytan> bazhang-> I use nvidia .. curiosity.
[14:14] <bazhang> kahrytan: so you just want to chat?
[14:14] <Miineti> kahrytan is just bored
[14:14] <bazhang> there is a channel for that iirc
[14:15] <spiniker> i did a dual boot of ubuntu and xp,however i cannot edit my grub,so that i could choose the boot order,any thoughts
[14:15] <kahrytan> bazhang->  Every once awhile people do need help here. And I try to help when possible.
[14:15] <bazhang> spiniker: cannot edit grub? what did you try to do and what errors did you get
[14:15] <kahrytan> spiniker->  why not?
[14:16] <kahrytan> spiniker->  By boot order, you mean choose which one is booted by default? or change the order in grub list?
[14:16] <spiniker> well i cant access it,i didnt partition it on one disk,i have two hard drives,ubuntu and xp..
[14:17] <kahrytan> Grub config is /boot/grub/menu.lst
[14:17] <kahrytan> spiniker->  Boot Ubuntu then edit the file. but have to be careful
[14:17] <spiniker> i used gedit
[14:18] <kahrytan> spiniker->  it is root owned.
[14:18] <spiniker> yup
[14:18] <kahrytan> spiniker-> so sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[14:18] <spiniker> well thats what i did..wait ill try and gt back to you
[14:19] <spiniker> command not found
[14:19] <spiniker> thats what it says on my terminal
[14:19] <jbroome> don't include "so"
[14:19] <spiniker> yeah i didnt include it..
[14:19] <kahrytan> spiniker-> " sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst" without ""
[14:20] <spiniker> yep without " "
[14:20] <spiniker> same thing
[14:20] <kahrytan> can you open gedit?
[14:20] <dany_21a> spiniker, try sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[14:20] <kahrytan> spiniker->  try sudo gedit by itself
[14:21] <kahrytan> dany_21a->  that works too.
[14:21] <spiniker> is it posible since the os are separated on diff drives that i dont need to edit grub anymore
[14:21] <dany_21a> spiniker: or "kate" if you are using kubu...
[14:21] <kahrytan> spiniker->  I use twodifferent drives. too
[14:21] <spiniker> ah ok wiat ill try ur suggestion
[14:22] <spiniker> command not found
[14:22] <spiniker> again
[14:22] <jbroome> that's odd
[14:22] <spiniker> sudo gedit worked,but the document is empty
[14:23] <kahrytan> spiniker->  try to open sudo nautilus
[14:23] <Pici> !gksudo
[14:23] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use « gksudo », as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[14:23] <kahrytan> Pici->  yeah yeah doh me.
[14:23] <dany_21a> kahrytan: maybe he is using lilo ?
[14:23] <kahrytan> dany_21a->  but ubuntu uses grub.
[14:24] <jbroome> apparently not on his machine
[14:24] <spiniker> yeah, i am using ubuntu
[14:24] <kahrytan> spiniker->  try gksu gedit
[14:24] <dany_21a> under certain events it may install lilo (xfs on /boot eg)
[14:24] <kahrytan> dany_21a->  lol
[14:24] <kahrytan> dany_21a->  i didnt know that
[14:24] <spiniker> still blank document
[14:25] <kahrytan> spiniker->  you use grub?
[14:25] <spiniker> yup..
[14:25] <spiniker> gksudo grub you mean?
[14:25] <kahrytan> does menu.lst file exist?
[14:26] <spiniker> i dont really know where to look it up..sorry
[14:26] <kahrytan> use nautilus .. /boot/grub
[14:27] <jbroome> ls /boot/grub/menu.*
[14:27] <kahrytan> or jbroome idea
[14:27] <bazhang> spiniker: this is ubuntu or ubuntu-based
[14:28] <amortvigil> hey what programs do i need to burn nrg files?
[14:28] <spiniker> i did try gksudo gedit/boot/grub/menu.lst  it says bash: my password:command not found
[14:29] <jbroome> amortvigil: looks like nrg2iso will convert for you
[14:29] <Kano> amortvigil: how about installing  nero for linux?
[14:29] <kahrytan> spiniker-> gksu gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[14:29] <kahrytan> spiniker->  space between gedit and path ?
[14:29] <amortvigil> jbroome thanx it works fine :)\
[14:30] <jbroome> amortvigil: i did an 'apt-cache search nrg' to find that
[14:30] <kahrytan> gedit is the command, /boot/grub/menu.lst is the path to file.
[14:30] <jaffarkelshac> anyone installed lightscribe? i got the deb from lightscribe.com but when i install i cant find where it is
[14:30] <spiniker> got it..
[14:31] <spiniker> i guess the space was the problem..thanks
[14:31] <kahrytan> spiniker->  d'oh moment eh?
[14:31] <spiniker> yeah..i know..
[14:31] <spiniker> :)
[14:32] <kahrytan> spiniker->  try troubleshooting more..
[14:32] <IdleOne> jaffarkelshac: type lightscribe in terminal to start it up. probably does not add an entry to the menu though
[14:32] <spiniker> thanks,
[14:32] <spiniker> yeah i guess i ought to anti up the reading more
[14:33] <jaffarkelshac> i tried that nothing,  command not found
[14:33] <spiniker> wait which line should i change?
[14:33] <W8TAH> hi folks: was using xchat latest last night on hardy heron dev release - along with pidgin in the gnome desktop everytime i tried to dcc recieve it crashed all of gnome and i had to reboot -- any ideas or suggestions?
[14:34] <vbabiy-laptop> Hey guys is there a way to set the primary monitor in the nvidia setting?
[14:34] <kahrytan> spiniker->  what?
[14:35] <kahrytan> spiniker->  what do you want to do
[14:35] <spiniker> the boot order,id like to change it..xp loads as default,since im not just the one using this pc
[14:36] <kahrytan> !grub
[14:36] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[14:37] <kahrytan> spiniker->  look for default h
[14:37] <IdleOne> jaffarkelshac: dpkg -s lightscribe what does that return?
[14:38] <jaffarkelshac> it returns details about the package lightsribe, install status which is ok IdleOne
[14:39] <spiniker> ok then?
[14:39] <spiniker> im looking at apcmag dual boot instructions
[14:40] <spiniker> it says i should change the default 0 to 4
[14:40] <spiniker> is that ok
[14:41] <vbabiy-laptop> Hey guys is there a way to set the primary monitor in the nvidia setting?
[14:41] <IdleOne> jaffarkelshac: http://www.lightscribe.com/downloadSection/linux/index.aspx?id=815 install this it should then work but I am not certain :/
[14:42] <jaffarkelshac> thats the package i have IdleOne, downloaded it twice but still nothing i will give up for the moment
[14:43] <IdleOne> read the note at the bottom
[14:43] <IdleOne> jaffarkelshac: install this http://www.lightscribe.com/downloadSection/linux/index.aspx?id=814
[14:43] <kahrytan> oops i lost spiniker
[14:43] <IdleOne> need both those files
[14:43] <jaffarkelshac> i have that as well
[14:43] <IdleOne> hmmm
[14:44] <IdleOne> jaffarkelshac: like I said I am not sure about this as I never used lightscribe and dont have the hardware to test
[14:44] <jaffarkelshac> its fine, thanks for the help anyway.
[14:45] <W8TAH> hi folks: was using xchat latest last night on hardy heron dev release - along with pidgin in the gnome desktop everytime i tried to dcc recieve it crashed all of gnome and i had to reboot -- any ideas or suggestions?
[14:45] <jaffarkelshac> my keyboard keeps changing layout when i restart. how do i nip this in the bud
[14:46] <IdleOne> jaffarkelshac: in terminal type LightScribe ( case sensitive )
[14:46] <kahrytan> jaffarkelshac->  what layout?
[14:47] <kahrytan> jaffarkelshac->  are you qwerty type or the modern devorak?
[14:47] <jaffarkelshac> nah IdleOne it just wont work.
[14:47] <IdleOne> jaffarkelshac: sorry ;/
[14:47] <jaffarkelshac> its qwerty
[14:48] <kahrytan> jaffarkelshac->  and changing too?
[14:48] <jaffarkelshac> its the symbols that change not the letters
[14:49] <kahrytan> see... now provide more details when asking for help
[14:49] <jaffarkelshac> i choose united kingdom default, everytime is fine, i restart and the symbols have all changed.
[14:51] <kahrytan> is  anyone having trouble accessing help.ubuntu.com?
[14:52] <jbroome> It is my dream that help.ubuntu.com has crashed because so many people were looking up their questions before asking here
[14:52] <jbroome> kahrytan: failed to connect for me
[14:55] <kahrytan> jbroome->  umm ubuntu server crashed/rebooted or updating?
[14:55] <jbroome> beats me
[14:55] <kahrytan> Oh crap ..3 days to go.
[14:56] <kahrytan> How fast days flies
[14:56] <W8TAH> help.ubuntu.com is up here for me
[14:56] <kahrytan> Now iti s
[14:56] <kahrytan> it wasnt before
[14:56] <W8TAH> ok
[14:56] <W8TAH> just trying to help
[14:57] <kahrytan> jbroome->  up for you?
[14:57] <jbroome> yup
[14:58] <kahrytan> Hiccup perhaps
[14:58] <kahrytan> Ubuntu Help pages needs a redesign
[14:58] <simion314> hi, my system frezed, i had to reboot. is a log somewhere to search the cause?
[14:59] <kahrytan> may the force lead you to /var/log , simion314
[15:00] <kahrytan> It may also lead you too Administration>System Logs
[15:00] <kahrytan> I can be funny sometimes
[15:02] <hwilde> funny sometimes, you can be
[15:06] <Miineti> sometimes..
[15:07] <jbroome> I'm still waiting. :)
[15:07]  * kahrytan doesnt even like star wars.
[15:09]  * Miineti gets her darth vader sword of pappemache, the neighbors kid gave her
[15:09]  * kahrytan is a trekker
[15:09] <DanaG> [ 3937.659139] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: host controller process error, something bad happened!
[15:09] <DanaG> [ 3937.659151] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: host controller halted, very bad!
[15:09] <DanaG> [ 3937.659181] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: HC died; cleaning up
[15:10] <DanaG> Happened last night..... and then my USB devices shut down.
[15:10] <kahrytan> DanaG->  did you look at logs?
[15:10] <kahrytan> DanaG->  Did you lloook at those logs last night?
[15:11]  * x1250 wants intrepid ibex
[15:11]  * kahrytan wants Vista to die
[15:11] <DanaG> Well, I went to bed, and came back to lack of internet.
[15:11]  * kahrytan sharpens a two edged sword
[15:11] <DanaG> I was using a USB ethernet adapter for the sake of testing.
[15:12] <DanaG> I guess it just can't handle doing torrents on the USB ethernet adapter.
[15:12] <topyli> kahrytan: oh noes. if vista dies, my lady will have no system and she'll ask for support!
[15:12] <kahrytan> topyli->  Then you get more one on one time?
[15:13] <DanaG> But then, if I leave my system torrenting while compiz is active, various things happen depending on what network adapter I'm using.
[15:13] <kahrytan> USB isnt really good for torrents anyhow
[15:13] <DanaG> Built-in e1000: complete hard-lockup of the system.
[15:14] <ghostcube> hi guys is this the place for kubuntu gutsy to hardy questions too ?
[15:14] <DanaG> Wireless iwl3945 -- seems to have no issues, but my dad is paranoid and insists on having wireless disabled.
[15:14] <kahrytan> ghostcube->  you mean kubuntu to ubuntu hardy?
[15:14] <ghostcube> kubuntu hardy rc1
[15:14] <ghostcube> ^
[15:15] <DanaG> Cardbus xirc2ps_cs: xorg locks up, and takes magic-sysrq to kill.... and then comes back in utterly-crap mode (seemingly completely unaccelerated).
[15:15] <_Lucretia_> has anybody got full 3D desktop with an ATi card (mines an X1950XT) and also has video and 3D working in a window as well as fullscreen? If so, can you paste your xorg.conf so I can compare with mine? Thanks.
[15:15] <x1250> DanaG: as I see on google, it might be hardware related, but It might be some nasty bug. Is the bug consistent?
[15:15] <kahrytan> I guess if there is no kubuntu+1 then i guess its yes
[15:15] <DanaG> USB 'pegasus' device: USB controller dies.
[15:15]  * kahrytan does allot of guessing ^
[15:16] <kahrytan> ghostcube->  realy question is .. KDE3 or KDe4?
[15:16] <ghostcube> heh no i meant to bring kubuntu gutsy to kubuntu hardy is there any known probs which are known
[15:16] <ghostcube> KDE3
[15:16]  * DanaG switches back to onboard.
[15:16] <DanaG> I think those are likely hardware issues.
[15:16] <kahrytan> ghostcube->  There is two releases this time and its not LTS i believe
[15:16] <DanaG> If I play HL2DM in Windows, online, with my onboard ethernet device:
[15:16] <DanaG> Hard-lockup!
[15:16] <kahrytan> is Kubuntu LTS this round?
[15:17] <x1250> Probably hardware related then, I guess
[15:17] <ghostcube> kahrytan: yes i know 18 months for cd1 kde3 and community for kde4  but i thought there were anny known issues maybe so i shouldnt upgrade to the new version but if not i would give it a try
[15:17] <ghostcube> :)
[15:17] <ghostcube> still on kde3 i dont like the kde4 for now
[15:17] <ghostcube> cause im fusion support so no need
[15:17] <ghostcube> :)
[15:17] <kahrytan> KDE4 is brand new .. probably why they opted for KDE3
[15:18] <DanaG> KDE4 is ugly to me.
[15:18] <kahrytan> Probably waiting for next version
[15:18] <ghostcube> i dont like the vista start menu they brought to it
[15:18] <DanaG> It's the only desktop environment I've ever seen that manages to make a 17" notebook feel like a 12" notebook.
[15:18] <ghostcube> but if u set all normal like on xp to 2000 it works fine
[15:18] <ghostcube> :D
[15:18] <kahrytan> ghostcube->  gonna have to get used to it eventually
[15:18] <ghostcube> hmm
[15:19] <kahrytan> KDE4 is like brand new OS.
[15:19] <kahrytan> oops operating environment
[15:19] <x1250> I like KDE4, but its too inmature right now. I used it as my only desktop from 3.96 till some weeks ago, on debian.
[15:20] <ghostcube> yes and therefore a bit buggy
[15:20] <DanaG> Heh, nearly 100% of the time, when I close Firefox 3, I force-quit it because it's too slow,
[15:20] <DanaG> .
[15:20] <kahrytan> Kubuntu 8.o4 w/ KDE3 is LTS?
[15:20] <ghostcube> yes afaik
[15:20] <ghostcube>  Kubuntu Hardy Heron expects to ship with both KDE 3 and KDE 4 as 2 separate disks. KDE 3 should be offered by shipit. The KDE 3 CD will be commercially supported for 18 months and KDE 4 will be community supported
[15:20] <kahrytan> but not KDE4?
[15:20] <ghostcube> is from #kubuntu
[15:20] <kahrytan> I understand
[15:21] <jpatrick> kahrytan: no, neither will be
[15:21] <kahrytan> I  bet  by 9.04, KDE4 will be primary
[15:21] <kahrytan> jpatrick->  Niether?
[15:21] <kahrytan> jpatrick->  thats what i originally though
[15:21] <jpatrick> kahrytan: 8.10 will (hopefully) have KDE 4.1
[15:22] <kahrytan> thats why I said I bet by 9.04
[15:22] <Lynoure> Getting my mother to move to KDE4 will be interesting...
[15:22] <kahrytan> if not by 8.10, most likely 9.04
[15:22] <x1250> I bet for 9.04 also
[15:22] <kahrytan> It would depend on KDE people
[15:22] <DanaG> My parents are too stubborn to use anything but their Windows XP.
[15:23] <kahrytan> DanaG->  i feel your pain
[15:23] <DanaG> They've had their systems randomly "break" sometimes.
[15:23] <kahrytan> DanaG->  but its not XP, it's worse. Vista
[15:23] <DanaG> I've never had my Ubuntu system randomly break, in ways not brought on by myself (such as by using development versions).
[15:23] <ghostcube> is it true that there is no kcontrol in hardy kubuntu or is this only the kde4 version cause systemsettings are very painful
[15:23] <kahrytan> DanaG-> They say Vista is faster then ubuntu 7.10 *rolls eyes*
[15:24] <DanaG> Dad's nForce4 (with integrated video) motherboard has a lovely "feature" of causing random filesystem corruption, it seems.
[15:24] <kahrytan> DanaG->  it doesnt like ntfs?
[15:24] <DanaG> I think nvidia's hardware, or their drivers, are just crappy.
[15:25] <kahrytan> i wouldn't either .. defragging for hour or so.
[15:25] <kahrytan> What would you rather have -- hour or defrag or like minute of fschk ?
[15:25] <jpatrick> DanaG: I've successfully forced my family to use Ubuntu
[15:26] <x1250> jpatrick: my mother uses debian :)
[15:26] <kahrytan> jpatrick->  Im trying to do the same
[15:26] <kahrytan> My biggest issue I have to fight over is OSS for them.
[15:26] <kahrytan> OSS being bad for business and why should they trust OSS comunity  and security issues.
[15:27] <kahrytan> ie.. Whats stopping some anonymous person from making security hole into it
[15:28] <savvas> kahrytan: a community that proof-reads anything before being imported :)
[15:28] <kahrytan> Anyone got good response to that
[15:30] <kahrytan> mybest answer is that software maintained  and monitored by dozens, hundreds of people at once. So slipping security hole into it would be hard or impossible to do.
[15:30] <savvas> what did i say? :P
[15:30] <kahrytan> And Companies do sell OSS software.
[15:31] <kahrytan> CDs dont have to contain the source either
[15:31] <kahrytan> (guessing)
[15:31] <kahrytan> CD has binary form  but customer can ask for Source code when requested.
[15:32] <kahrytan> am i right or wrong?
[15:34] <savvas> eh that's "monitored" free, not free :)
[15:34] <kahrytan> savvas->  huh?
[15:35] <savvas> asking for something means that you have to enable them to access the source code = monitoring
[15:35] <kahrytan> savvas-> i was following up  on bad for capitalism/business
[15:36] <savvas> oh ok :p
[15:36] <kahrytan> How can a business profit from the sale of OSS software?
[15:36] <kahrytan> and keep capitalism alive
[15:37] <savvas> well.. after several hundred thousands of free cds, i see canonical still alive :)
[15:37] <BalaamsMiracle> kahrytan: A business can make revenue on the support
[15:37] <kahrytan> though, OSS is Free in Freedom of Speech, not Free Software
[15:37] <savvas> or on a special "enterprise" version
[15:37] <kahrytan> by the definition, One can sell OSS software.
[15:38] <kahrytan> hence SUSE Linux.
[15:38] <kahrytan> It is OSS software but have to pay for it.
[15:38] <savvas> opensuse vs. suse :)
[15:39] <kahrytan> Wouldnt the source code for SUSE be available?
[15:39] <kahrytan> OpenSuse =! SUSE
[15:41] <kahrytan> i don't think it is possible to always include source on the cd. Software could be to large to fit both binary and souce. For example, games.
[15:42] <andyB> HI, I've got a recent problem with 8.04 ... I think it happened in the last few days of upgrades.   The audio volume has gone very low ( almost impossible to hear) .... checking the puleaudio meter it's showing high output .... but the output I can here is very low - any ideas ?
[15:42] <kahrytan> BalaamsMiracle->  How would you prorpose how a business can profit from OSS besides support?
[15:43] <LogicalDash> andyB: try right-clicking the volume manager on your toolbar and selecting Open Volume Control--often that sort of thing is caused by one of the various preamps being set too low
[15:44] <kahrytan> LogicalDash->  DOUBLE click it
[15:44] <andyB> LogicalDash ... thanks - been through all of those and set them to max
[15:44] <kahrytan> LogicalDash->  double click .. better
[15:44] <LogicalDash> andyB: are all of them displayed? try command line: alsamixer, it'll show *all* devices
[15:45] <LogicalDash> kahrytan, thanks
[15:45] <kahrytan> LogicalDash->  didnt know that trick?
[15:45] <LogicalDash> kahrytan, ehhhh no
[15:46] <kahrytan> LogicalDash->  that shaves second or two off that one for ya
[15:46] <andyB> LogicalDash - checked via commandline - all at 100%
[15:46] <MikeCulver> I have 8.04 installed on a laptop in a dual boot config.  When starting 8.04 from a cold boot, everything is fine.  However, after resuming from suspend, I can no longer write to my ext3 part.  I can, however, read and write to my NTFS part.  How should I go about fixing this?
[15:46] <LogicalDash> andyB: sorry, that's about the extent of my expertise :-)
[15:46] <andyB> LogicalDash Thanks Anyway :)
[15:47] <nemo> memory lapse - what's the debian command to identify which package a file belongs to?
[15:47] <kahrytan> MikeCulver->  sounds like ext3 is being remounted as read only.
[15:47] <LogicalDash> Hey, in Gutsy I had a startup command, alltray thunderbird -na, that would put Thunderbird in my systray and have it alert me to new mail... now in Hardy, Thunderbird always opens a window, which I don't want it to do, and it seems to have a habit of randomly evaporating from the systray without killing the Thunderbird process, which for some reason causes pretty severe slowdown. Help?
[15:47] <nemo> need to figure out what to file a bug against
[15:48] <Pici> nemo: dpkg -S /path/to/file
[15:48] <nemo> thanks
[15:48] <kahrytan> Pici->  wow. i didnt know that and that is useful
[15:48] <nemo> hm. so wireless-tools
[15:48] <MikeCulver> kahrytan: I'm rather green to this.   I got a hard lockup.
[15:49] <nemo> DanaG: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/217809 note the last couple of comments :)
[15:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 217809 in linux "iwl3945 does not associate in Hardy" [Undecided,New]
[15:49] <nemo> DanaG: ouch :(
[15:50] <DanaG> My iwl3945 works fine for me.
[15:50] <treffer> hi, I've just replaced a vista home basic with ubuntu 8.04rc and had a problem with b43: the automagic install worked on the live cd but freezed the real install... is there a known bug? I can't provide too much information as it's not my notebook and not here
[15:50] <nemo> DanaG: yep. so does mine *now*
[15:50] <DanaG> And then I booted... and had to fsck.
[15:50] <kahrytan> Pici->  Suspend umount patitions?
[15:50] <DanaG> Hmm, anybody else notice how far off-center (vertically) the progress bar is on the usplash theme?
[15:50] <nemo> DanaG: flaw was not in the driver. there is a bug. it is just an idiotic one :)
[15:50] <DanaG> It bothers me.
[15:50] <Pici> kahrytan: I dont know, sorry.
[15:50] <DanaG> Try booting without 'quiet'
[15:50] <nemo> DanaG: basically the reason one would do:  echo "don't forget to quote me"
[15:50] <nemo> DanaG: clearly someone is not passing "  "  to iwconfig
[15:51] <kahrytan> Pici->  MikeCulver problem
[15:51] <nemo> DanaG: ubuntu will break if your passphrase has any quote marks or spaces
[15:51] <nemo> or possibly other special chars
[15:51] <nemo> DanaG: I should start an internet cafe with the passphrase ;rm -rf ~
[15:51] <nemo> or rm -rf /
[15:52] <MikeCulver> nemo: oh noes!
[15:52] <Pici> nemo: Please dont.
[15:52] <Pici> nemo: Please refrain from posting such commands here.
[15:52] <DanaG> how about 'cat /dev/urandom'
[15:52] <nemo> Pici: you think someone in #ubuntu+1 wouldn't know what rm -rf does??
[15:52] <nemo> erm. sorry then.
[15:53] <nemo> people. don't execute random commands you don't know what they do without any context.
[15:53] <Pici> nemo: There are many people here who I dont think should be running Hardy, so yes.
[15:53] <kahrytan> nemo-> new people do use Ubuntu
[15:53] <nemo> kahrytan: and found #ubuntu+1 ...
[15:53] <Pici> Yes.
[15:53] <MikeCulver> nemo: Actually, I have only a vague understanding... but it sounds like a recursive remove
[15:53] <kahrytan> Pici->  but I know better about that.
[15:53] <nemo> kahrytan: so. they use ubuntu, and irc, and beta/alpha software and have no clue about the cli  :)
[15:53] <nemo> kahrytan: yeah. they're screwed.
[15:54] <kahrytan> Hardy isnt Beta any longer though
[15:54] <nemo> kahrytan: still beta for 3 days
[15:54] <Pici> Its not released either.
[15:54] <kahrytan> Release Candidate
[15:54] <nemo> oh really.
[15:54] <nemo> ok. fine.
[15:54] <nemo> of course, I didn't say it was a command
[15:54] <nemo> so they'd also have to be executing random bits of conversation in IRC :)
[15:54] <kahrytan> Ubuntu 8.03 Release Candidate... Meaning ..we think it's ready but not sure. Mind testing it out for us?
[15:55] <kahrytan> *.04
[15:55] <kahrytan> oops
[15:55] <nemo> anyway. is a legitimate flaw in the tool.
[15:55] <MikeCulver> Anyway... After resume, a filesystem is no longer writeable that was writeable.  What could cause this?
[15:55] <nemo> as soon as I figure out where to put it, going to write it up properly
[15:55] <nemo> MikeCulver: needs an fsck probably.
[15:55] <MikeCulver> Does suspend actually umount the fs?
[15:55] <MikeCulver> hm
[15:55] <MikeCulver> I've done one, but same results
[15:55] <nemo> MikeCulver: your suspend wasn't clean I guess.
[15:55] <DanaG> Anybody else notice the ugly offcenter progress-bar in the usplash?
[15:56] <jbroome> no
[15:56] <MikeCulver> DanaG: No.
[15:57] <MikeCulver> nemo: This is a consistent problem.  It's not just a thing that happens sometimes or under certain conditions... at least it happens under all conditions the system works in.
[15:57] <kahrytan> DanaG->  no but  i try to ignore it since hwinfo says  my hardware doesnt support widescreen, which is a lie.
[15:58] <MikeCulver> Is there a script that handles the filesystem after resume that could cause this?
[15:58] <kahrytan> MikeCulver->  check your logs.
[15:59]  * nemo nods
[15:59] <nemo> MikeCulver: there could be something damaged on your disc - or your swap partition since that is where you are probably resuming from
[15:59] <kahrytan> nemo->  agreeing?
[15:59] <nemo> kahrytan: yep :)
[15:59] <nemo> kahrytan: say, if you boot off a CD, does that screw with resume?
[16:00] <DanaG> I mean this:
[16:00] <kahrytan> nemo-> I wouldnt know
[16:00] <DanaG> the progress bar is not centered between the logo and the textbox.
[16:00] <MikeCulver> which logs?
[16:00] <DanaG> That's regardless of harware.
[16:00] <kahrytan> DanaG-> I dont like Usplash for Ubuntu
[16:00] <kahrytan> MikeCulver-> System Logs.
[16:01] <DanaG> I wish Ubuntu would use fbsplash.
[16:01] <kahrytan> DanaG-> http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o200/kahrytan/Screenshot/Hardy-04_20_08.png
[16:01] <kahrytan> DanaG-> My GDM and usplash have similar images as wallpaper
[16:02] <MikeCulver> ah... all of them then
[16:02] <MikeCulver> i'll get reading.
[16:02] <DanaG> Ooh, red.  Interesting.
[16:02] <kahrytan> MikeCulver->  Device related logs
[16:03] <kahrytan> DanaG->  there is other colors.
[16:03] <kahrytan> DanaG-> Blue, Green, Orange.
[16:03] <kahrytan> http://gnome-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=160&PHPSESSID=faf7d5f6c38a87bd97bc64556d3f6a2d
[16:04] <W8TAH> ran into a problem last night -- i was using pidgin, and xchat on hardy RC, a friend tried to dcc me a document, and upon receipt, my screen and keybaord locked -- could not ctrl alt backspace, could not switch to a different console, could not ctrl alt delete, nothing -- i could hear alerts from messages (both in pidgin and xchat) arriving but no change on the screen paint - -any ideas???
[16:04] <DanaG> Coloring looks bad on 16-bit.
[16:04] <kahrytan> If they make black one.. it might fit well in Hardy release.
[16:05] <kahrytan> W8TAH-> Translation: nautilus or gnome locked up on you
[16:06] <kahrytan> W8TAH->  did you try Ctrl-Alt-Backspace?
[16:06] <MikeCulver> kahrytan: there isn't anything obvious complaining about a problem.  All the procedure in the resume talking about "sda" says either succedded or good, etc.
[16:07] <kahrytan> MikeCulver-> I can't really help .. but i am interested in the solution.
[16:07] <DanaG> alt-sysrq-k to kill Xorg often works even when ctrl-alt-backspace does not.
[16:08] <MikeCulver> kahrytan: thanks for your help thusfar
[16:08] <DanaG> Argh, what is this pdflush that keeps abusing my hard drive?
[16:08] <kahrytan> MikeCulver->  but try troubleshooting..
[16:09] <ampex> does 8.04 have no inittab?
[16:09] <W8TAH> kahrytan: i THINK gnome locked
[16:09] <W8TAH> and yes - -repeatedly
[16:10] <kahrytan> W8TAH->  ctrl-alt-backspace terminates X
[16:11] <kahrytan> W8TAH-> and thus logs you out. and terminates anything that needs x.
[16:11] <W8TAH> kahrytan: yes, i know this - it didnt work - -no input was being accepted from the keyboard
[16:12] <W8TAH> kahrytan: yes - ive used it on many occasions
[16:12] <^^malajenho^> hi everyone
[16:12] <^^malajenho^> I've updated my gutsy gibbon to hardy heron, but now when I try to login, it doesn't start session, anyone has the same problem ?
[16:12] <kahrytan> W8TAH-> what did you try to figure it out
[16:13] <W8TAH> i tried switching to an alternate console to kill the xchat process - -
[16:13] <W8TAH> no luck
[16:13] <kahrytan> ^^malajenho^->  aw... i heard that one .. before.. someone will know
[16:13] <Miineti> ciao
[16:13] <W8TAH> i tried ctrl alt backspace -- no luck
[16:13] <W8TAH> the mouse would move
[16:13] <W8TAH> but couldnt affect the screen at all beyond that
[16:13] <W8TAH> clicking to close windows did not bring up the offer to wait or force quit box
[16:13] <kahrytan> W8TAH->  look at logs?
[16:14] <W8TAH> what program do i look at?
[16:14] <W8TAH> xchat,
[16:14] <W8TAH> pidgin
[16:14] <W8TAH> 'nautalus
[16:14] <W8TAH> x
[16:14] <W8TAH> ????
[16:14] <kahrytan> W8TAH->  Its amazing the stuff you learn if you troubleshoot
[16:15] <W8TAH> im not disputing that either -- i am asking for a bit of help in knowing where to begin
[16:15] <kahrytan> W8TAH->  look at System Logs applet
[16:15] <andyB> W8TAH;  I had a similar thing a couple of days ago - unfortunately I couldn't see anything in the logs ( seemed to lock apart from the mouse moving )
[16:16] <kahrytan> Andy80->  D'oh
[16:16] <Andy80> kahrytan: tell me
[16:16] <W8TAH> kahrytan: ok - that makes sense -- for which program? -- i dont have hours and hours to read the entire log for all installed software --
[16:16] <kahrytan> Andy80->  oops..other andy
[16:16] <DanaG> W8TAH: remember alt-sysrq-k -- it should work even if ctrl-alt-del does not.
[16:16] <nosrednaekim> W8TAH: yep... my freind is having that problem as well.... its related to selecting items on the taskbar
[16:16] <Andy80> ok :)
[16:17] <kahrytan> andyB-> You have wonderfully timing
[16:17] <W8TAH> DanaG: sysrq?
[16:17] <W8TAH> nosrednaekim: i didnt touch anything in teh task bar at all
[16:17] <andyB> Kahrytan:  :)
[16:17] <kahrytan> andyB, W8TAH, and nosrednaekim's friend should have a troubleshoot party.
[16:17] <andyB> Party :) :)
[16:17] <nosrednaekim> :0
[16:18] <W8TAH> the trigger in each case was the attempted receipt of a dcc file
[16:18] <kahrytan> W8TAH->  in what program
[16:18] <W8TAH> xchat
[16:18] <andyB> not in my case - although I did have pidgin open
[16:19] <W8TAH> i had xchat and pidgin open using the gnome desktop - -fully updated (less than an hour before) hardy release candidate
[16:19] <W8TAH> im using the nvida driver
[16:19] <kahrytan> W8TAH->  soomething to do with xchat though
[16:19] <W8TAH> it was an xchat dcc receive when it yappened yes
[16:19] <W8TAH> xchat help told me to come here
[16:20] <kahrytan> W8TAH->  try duplicating it?
[16:20] <W8TAH> happened 3 times last night
[16:20] <kahrytan> w/o pidgin open
[16:20] <W8TAH> same circumstances in each case
[16:20] <W8TAH> oh
[16:20] <W8TAH> ok
[16:20] <kahrytan> Narrow it down
[16:21] <W8TAH> o
[16:21] <W8TAH> ok
[16:21] <W8TAH> thanks
[16:21] <kahrytan> Then once you find it, report it :-P and make work around
[16:21] <kahrytan> You know, the never end job of pre-release users.
[16:22] <kahrytan> DanaG->  like my red desktop?
[16:22] <W8TAH> kahrytan: im not a programmer - im a network admin --
[16:23] <W8TAH> i'll be glad to report, but im not able to program a resolution
[16:23] <kahrytan> W8TAH->  I want your paycheck.
[16:23] <W8TAH> in a private tuition supported chruch sponsored school
[16:23] <W8TAH> trust me - you dont want my paycheck
[16:23] <kahrytan> W8TAH->  a joke.
[16:24] <kahrytan> W8TAH->  but it sounds like the money is a joke
[16:24] <_Lucretia_> I take it nobody has managed to get an ati card working with 3D desktop and playing gl apps/movies in windows?
[16:24] <_Lucretia_> :(
[16:24] <kahrytan> W8TAH->  arent network admins paid nicely?
[16:24] <W8TAH> if i was here for the money i wouldnt be here
[16:24] <kahrytan> W8TAH->  You do it for the love of the job?
[16:25] <W8TAH> in church circles we call it ministry
[16:25] <W8TAH> in essence yes
[16:25] <kahrytan> W8TAH->  That too but no religion speak :-P
[16:26] <W8TAH> im the middleschool science and comptuer teacher, One man IT Shop -- director to tech, registrar, webmaster, DBA and Network Admin
[16:26] <W8TAH> lets say it keeps me hoppin
[16:26] <kahrytan> W8TAH->  Sounds fun
[16:26] <W8TAH> weve got about 110 workstations and 10 servers or so
[16:26] <mc-george> hey guys, anyone know of an ftp program that supports SSL encryption?
[16:26] <W8TAH> it is - i love it
[16:27] <W8TAH> mc-george: server or client?
[16:27] <nemo> mc-george: you mean sftp? :)
[16:27] <mc-george> its just to download from an ftp
[16:27] <W8TAH> id definatly try filezilla
[16:27] <kahrytan> gftp i think does
[16:27] <W8TAH> im not positive but thats a good starting point
[16:28] <nemo> I was just curious what he meant by SSL encryption
[16:28] <nemo> does FTP have a TLS spec?
[16:28] <W8TAH> thanks for the help folks - bbl
[16:28] <www2> hi all
[16:28] <nemo> or did he mean sftp over 22
[16:28] <www2> I heft today install ubuntu 8.04 AMD64 and after install a text 2 speechs under wine. i play some music and read some text in that progam but i get some error that the program can not accest alsa
[16:28] <primski> anyone has asus eee with hardy on ?
[16:28] <kahrytan> mc-george->  I did a simple google search on gftp and sftp... allot of results there
[16:29] <mc-george> kahrytan, installed gftp
[16:29] <www2> is this a bug in wine or alsa?
[16:29] <jbroome> filezilla is great
[16:30] <kahrytan> mc-george->  connect via SSH with gftp
[16:30] <mc-george> kahrytan, thank you =)
[16:31] <kahrytan> mc-george->  gftp is nice program
[16:31] <mc-george> kahrytan, I really appreciate your help
[16:32]  * x1250 wants intrepid ibex
[16:32] <kahrytan> jbroome->  I like gftp better
[16:32]  * kahrytan wants Vista to die.
[16:32]  * x1250 likes filezilla
[16:32] <jbroome> kahrytan: your opinion is different than mine. Obviously, you're wrong. :)
[16:32] <x1250> lol
[16:32] <kahrytan> !best
[16:32] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors. Do NOT take polls in the channel. If you insist on getting people's opinions, ask BestBot in #ubuntu-bots.
[16:33] <kahrytan> jbroome->  I choose not to argue.
[16:34] <kahrytan> Kinda reminds me of the old Mac vs PC days...
[16:34] <kahrytan> back before Steve Jobs took over Apple.
[16:35] <kahrytan> I just realized a one way for good transition period between GDM-> Desktop
[16:36] <kahrytan> Gnome Splash at fullscreen.
[16:36] <www2> Can some one tell me how to can run a text to speech program in wine and play music under amarok with alsa under 8.04 (AMD64/x68-64)?
[16:36] <kahrytan> but activate at login
[16:36] <jbroome> I think The Steve started apple with Woz
[16:36] <kahrytan> jbroome->  yeah .. and got kicked out.
[16:36] <kahrytan> jbroome->  and Apple bought his new company out.
[16:37] <x1250> www2: I don't think you can do that with alsa, maybe with pulseaudio...
[16:37] <kahrytan> jbroome->  did you know Apple owns subsidiaries?
[16:37] <papa_> hi i'm now on 804rc
[16:37] <papa_> looks nice
[16:37] <jbroome> kahrytan: I choose not to argue
[16:38] <papa_> you guys know how to enable proprietary 3d drivers?
[16:38] <kahrytan> jbroome->  Mind .. how am i wrong?
[16:38] <m1r> hello
[16:39] <m1r> i wonder where did that nice orange stripe went from left side of main menu ?
[16:40] <m1r> when i installed beta2 it was there , and after several upgrades , now is gone, is there any options to set it back ?
[16:40] <kahrytan> m1r->  Someone  higher up said they didnt like it?
[16:40] <kahrytan> Ubuntu Community perhaps
[16:40] <m1r> kahrytan: i see :/
[16:41] <kahrytan> people thats over Ubuntu Artwork team
[16:41] <Andy80> how can I rename the connection created with "Connect to server" in Ubuntu 8.04?
[16:41] <m1r> so is there a way to get it back ? :)
[16:41] <www2> x1250: it not working
[16:41] <x1250> m1r: it dissapear for ever, it seems
[16:41] <x1250> it was a bad call, orange stripe was awesome