[02:31] <faron> Help !! PLEASE !!!was checking out screensaver preferences on my Xubuntu {8.04 in case} & pressed "preview".Hmmmmmm.Well,that may have been a mistake because now I can't seem to get rid of it.I 've used the ol' "alt-tab" to be able to pull up this window so's I could talk to you's all.I can't even go to my desktop the way this is.Not even by clicking on the "hide wins & show desk" button on panel.Anybody ??
[03:04] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Hello
[03:04] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Is anyone using XFCE for VNC, server-side?
[03:04] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Is it ok?
[03:05] <[BG]ZloboMiR> I guess, since Gnome is...
[03:05] <[BG]ZloboMiR> And how can I remove Gnome and KDE
[03:05] <[BG]ZloboMiR> It is a big * on the mashine now
[03:05] <[BG]ZloboMiR> There was some link
[03:05] <[BG]ZloboMiR> With a sudo... string
[03:06] <[BG]ZloboMiR> removing all
[03:06] <[BG]ZloboMiR> * machine
[03:08] <rww> ubottu: purexfce | [BG]ZloboMiR
[03:15] <[BG]ZloboMiR> 10x!
[03:49] <[BG]ZloboMiR> !xfcevnc
[03:49] <[BG]ZloboMiR> !xfce vnc
[03:49] <[BG]ZloboMiR> !vnc
[03:50] <[BG]ZloboMiR> !FreeNX
[03:50] <_Techie_> freeNX is twitchy, difficult to set up comared to otehr alternatives
[03:51] <[BG]ZloboMiR> OK, gime alternatives pls :)
[03:52] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Or there are in Sinaptycs?
[03:52] <[BG]ZloboMiR> My ystem is accessed in LAN
[03:52] <_Techie_> okay
[03:52] <_Techie_> quick questions
[03:52] <[BG]ZloboMiR> No security risks
[03:52] <_Techie_> is sound required?
[03:52] <[BG]ZloboMiR> However, removing gnome and KDE killed mysql
[03:53] <[BG]ZloboMiR> no, no sound
[03:53] <_Techie_> and you dont mind a non perfect picture quality?
[03:53] <[BG]ZloboMiR> I was using vino afaicr
[03:53] <[BG]ZloboMiR> well, perfect is preferred
[03:53] <_Techie_> hrmm
[03:53] <[BG]ZloboMiR> I have the speed to afford it
[03:53] <_Techie_> =)
[03:54] <_Techie_> you mentioned removing gnome and KDE
[03:54] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Yes, first it was Ubuntu install
[03:54] <_Techie_> is this on client or server?
[03:54] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Then I put KDE on it pecause of some radio server
[03:54] <[BG]ZloboMiR> But VNC was buggy
[03:55] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Server
[03:55] <[BG]ZloboMiR> I am using it with GUI for convenience
[03:55] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Still not a console maniac
[03:55] <_Techie_> so do you currently have a desktop environment installed?
[03:55] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Yes, I have Xfce
[03:55] <_Techie_> cool
[03:55] <_Techie_> final question
[03:56] <_Techie_> do you actually want to control a current session, or a virtual session
[03:56] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Since VNC on KDE went bad, and system was badly s*rewed I tried the last option
[03:56] <[BG]ZloboMiR> I think it is current session
[03:56] <_Techie_> !x11vnc
[03:56] <_Techie_> =(
[03:56] <_Techie_> oh well, ill grab you a link
[03:56] <[BG]ZloboMiR> i. e. I am entering as the same user as the logged one
[03:56] <[BG]ZloboMiR> right?
[03:57] <_Techie_> yeah
[03:57] <_Techie_> thats current session
[03:57] <[BG]ZloboMiR> !x11vnc
[03:57] <_Techie_> http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/
[03:57] <_Techie_> it shoudl also be in the repositories
[03:57] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Thanks
[03:57] <[BG]ZloboMiR> It should also be in the default install :)
[03:58] <[BG]ZloboMiR> There are things to learn from winboze ;)
[03:58] <_Techie_> get someone to whipe you up a quick looping bash scritp to start it
[03:58] <_Techie_> whip*
[03:58] <[BG]ZloboMiR>  #!bin/sh
[03:58] <[BG]ZloboMiR> me not so bad :P
[03:58] <_Techie_> cool
[03:58] <_Techie_> you should be fine then
[03:59] <[BG]ZloboMiR> will see: >
[03:59] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Thanks again
[03:59] <_Techie_> no problem
[03:59] <_Techie_> just give us a yell if you run into trouble
[04:00] <[BG]ZloboMiR> okie
[04:00] <[BG]ZloboMiR> apt-get installed it
[04:01] <_Techie_> sweet
[04:19] <[BG]ZloboMiR> http://imthi.com/blog/linux/ubuntu-904-remote-desktop-using-vncserver-without-monitor.php
[04:20] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Ubuntu comes with remote desktop manager.
[04:20] <[BG]ZloboMiR> what is the package in ubuntu?
[04:20] <[BG]ZloboMiR> this was mine
[04:20] <[BG]ZloboMiR> And this is the reason I can't remember the name
[04:20] <[BG]ZloboMiR> was included
[04:21] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Only 2 monitors in tray and saying"Another user is controlling your desktop"
[04:21] <_Techie_> im currently elsewhere, experimenting with various things
[04:21] <[BG]ZloboMiR> ok
[04:21] <[BG]ZloboMiR> be careful
[04:22] <rww> [BG]ZloboMiR: vinagre or vino or something
[04:22] <[BG]ZloboMiR> I have vino
[04:23] <[BG]ZloboMiR> but not in menus
[04:23] <[BG]ZloboMiR> can't start in terminal
[04:23] <[BG]ZloboMiR> checking vinagre now
[04:24] <[BG]ZloboMiR> no, vinagre is the viewer
[04:24] <[BG]ZloboMiR> !remotedesktop
[04:25] <[BG]ZloboMiR> !remote desktop
[04:27] <[BG]ZloboMiR> !help
[04:27] <[BG]ZloboMiR> !doh
[05:48] <mansas> hi all #xubuntu~
[05:48] <mansas> I've installed Windows 7 like I used to have, and I want to Dual Boot XUbuntu with it. I've got 25 gigs of free space set aside for it. I have a few different partitions.
[05:48] <mansas> I load up he live disc for Xbuntu, it burned right. I go to install and it claims my hard disc is empty.
[05:48] <mansas> Please help me out.
[05:48] <mansas> version 9.10
[05:55] <Balsaq> good morning Lords of the Code!
[05:55] <Balsaq> _Techie_!!!!
[05:55] <mansas> good morning Balsaq !
[05:55] <_Techie_> heya balsaq
[05:55] <Balsaq> howdy mansas...
[05:56] <_Techie_> oh mansas your in #xubuntu, i thought you were in #edubuntu
[05:56] <_Techie_> in that case, whats your problem?
[05:56] <Balsaq> its a grub issue
[05:58] <Balsaq> he/she want w7 beside buntu
[05:58] <_Techie_> before entering the partitioner make sure you do not select use entire disc
[05:58] <_Techie_> also have you thought about doing a wubi install
[05:59] <mansas> thanks
[06:01] <_Techie_> does anyone know if X fails to start when a screen is not attatched on Xubuntu 9.10?
[06:05] <_Techie_> surely somebody must know the answer to such a simple question
[06:13] <Balsaq> ru messin with a mac?
[06:14] <_Techie_> no
[06:14] <Balsaq> how would you know if a screen is not attached
[06:14] <Balsaq> i am lost
[06:14] <Balsaq> but them again i am new to linix/buntu all of it
[06:15] <_Techie_> my last experience with this issue returned the same outcome as this first post
[06:15] <_Techie_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1159192
[06:17] <Balsaq> i always google this stuff...when i have no clue...seems to be a bug
[06:31] <_Techie_> i might just have to buy some 75ohm resistors
[09:33] <Balsaq> welcome back faron...
[09:44] <deathcannon> can someone reminds me where xsplash resides?
[10:07] <dahaic> hi guys, some of you probably use lucid already. is it possible to not see list of users in the login screen? I would like to have just simple behavior of -9.04
[10:15] <rww> dahaic: Lucid support and discussion is in #ubuntu+1
[10:19] <dahaic> I ask here, because I remember uproar caused by change in this particular feature particulary on Xubuntu when karmic released, but whatever
[11:12] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Hello
[11:12] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Me again
[11:13] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Not much luck with xfce vnc
[11:13] <[BG]ZloboMiR> How can I install the default ubuntu remote desktop?
[11:13] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Is it vino?
[11:13] <[BG]ZloboMiR> I have it, how to start it
[11:25] <_Techie_> im going to head to bed now, if your still arounf ZloboMiR ill be on sometime tomorrow
[11:25] <dahaic> [BG]ZloboMiR: well, I am using rdesktop without problems...
[11:26] <_Techie_> [BG]ZloboMiR, if you installled x11vnc you can start it with the command x11vnc from command line, i think its "x11vnx :0"
[11:27] <_Techie_> i know its not vino, but its something
[11:27] <_Techie_> anyway, goodnight
[11:30] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Night...
[11:30] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Yes, tried x11, not good
[11:30] <[BG]ZloboMiR> checking rdesktop
[11:46] <[BG]ZloboMiR> http://www.samlesher.com/ubuntu/remote-desktop-vnc-access-on-xubuntu-xfce-810
[11:46] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Is there smo to update ubottu?
[11:47] <zlobi_> anyway, thanks and bye :)
[11:47] <zlobi_> Above works on 9.10
[12:02] <hexdump_> is anyon familiar with dyndns?
[12:02] <hexdump_> I tried in there
[12:03] <hexdump_> I tried going to #DNS everybody is busy or gone or something
[14:57] <sismos> helow #xubuntu , ! Xubuntu, or is there a better alternative?
[14:57] <sismos> Just recently I upgraded from xubuntu something to xubuntu 9.10.  Point is I need to re-install it anyways, as I am switching hard drives. I was wondering if anyone knew a good distribution to use. Here what I use my linux box for:
[14:58] <sismos> # Internet browsing
[14:58] <sismos> # Office work/word processing (includes PowerPoint presentation)
[14:58] <sismos> # YouTube videos
[14:58] <sismos> # Music (I have a Zune)
[14:58] <sismos> Any suggestions on a good distro.? I need something that is light, something that runs fast on a mediocre system. thankssssssss !
[14:58] <charlie-tca> You really going to ask in Xubuntu if there is something better than Xubuntu ?
[14:58] <Sachse_Siechtum> sismos, The best distro is Xubuntu of course! :-)
[14:59] <charlie-tca> I highly recommend XUBUNTU, myself, especially when asked in this channel
[14:59] <Sachse_Siechtum> fire fox or midori for internet
[14:59] <Sachse_Siechtum> open office or Gnu office for office needs
[14:59] <charlie-tca> Abiword for word-processing
[15:00] <Sachse_Siechtum> second that
[15:00] <charlie-tca> exaile or listen for music
[15:00] <Sachse_Siechtum> or rythmbox
[15:00] <Sachse_Siechtum> and xubuntu is good gor mediocre systems
[15:01] <Sachse_Siechtum> for
[15:01] <charlie-tca> Of course, one should install it from a Xubuntu cd
[15:01] <Sachse_Siechtum> and the women love it, too! When in a club, just tell the girl you're using Xubuntu and its good game *g*
[15:02] <Sachse_Siechtum> ;-)
[15:02]  * charlie-tca nods in agreement
[15:02] <charlie-tca> sismos: Do you have a real question?
[15:03] <charlie-tca> sismos: Thanks for helping the day easier, a joke now and then is really good
[15:03] <sismos> jajj
[15:03] <Sachse_Siechtum> :-)
[15:03] <Sachse_Siechtum> I gotta use that line though..
[15:04] <Sachse_Siechtum> which reminds me off this story...
[15:04] <Sachse_Siechtum> of
[15:04] <Sachse_Siechtum> "boy uses a candy vending machine. He got lucky and got 2 chocolate bars instead of one."
[15:04] <Sachse_Siechtum> boy utters: "Ownd!"
[15:05] <Sachse_Siechtum> girl stand behind him heard him and says: "Buguser!"
[15:05] <Sachse_Siechtum> they got together *lol*
[18:50] <faron>  Hello everybody.Hopefully all are well today.Firefox keeps shutting down everytime I attempt to load a certain webpage.Is there any way at all to stop this ? The page I am trying to load,is an instructional page from within this page...   http://www.blogjer.com/2009/03/02/this-firefox-tweak-release-memory-when-minimized/      The actual page that I am trying to load comes from a link {the word "tip"} from that page.ANY advice ?
[18:53] <pleia2> faron: if you run firefox from a terminal and repeat the steps to create this crash there is a chance it'll give you some kind of output when it crashes as to why
[18:53] <pleia2> in the terminal
[20:27] <[BG]ZloboMiR> !purexfce
[20:38] <slow-motion> hi
[20:51] <charlie-tca> Hello, slow-motion
[20:51] <slow-motion> hi charlie-tca
[23:03] <slow-motion> n8


[15:39] <mhall119> aaron__: KeithIMyers__: I'm still looking for UbuCon speakers, would either of you be interested in giving an ~50 minute presentation?
[15:39] <mhall119> this is for SELF
[18:35]  * ahoneybun would need to find a topic
[18:42] <mhall119> ahoneybun: Kubuntu?
[18:46] <ahoneybun> yea but 50mins is a long time
[18:46] <ahoneybun> on my own
[18:49] <ahoneybun> mhall119|afk: I've been toying with a idea for all the projects to use a single service/host for their Docs
[18:58] <ahoneybun> that could be a talk
[19:19]  * ahoneybun is making a slideshow
[19:40] <ahoneybun> mhall119|afk: what I have so far: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6zAAODZFwQ2SGJCQ1YxRE1IaUU/view?usp=sharing
[19:55] <mhall119> ahoneybun: interesting topic, you don't mention Ubuntu docs though
[19:55] <mhall119> which are,I think, docbook in bzr
[20:06] <ahoneybun> opps
[20:06] <ahoneybun> yea I don't
[20:07] <ahoneybun> I'll fix
[20:07] <ahoneybun> I would write it as "Written in docbook/xml on LP
[20:10] <ahoneybun> mhall119: think it would be a good topic then?
[20:13] <ahoneybun> I've added Ubuntu Docs, a new theme, and pictures.
[20:13] <ahoneybun> mhall119: ^


[06:27] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:43] <marcoagpinto> hey
[08:14] <lordievader> Morning marcoagpinto
[08:14] <marcoagpinto> morning
[08:16] <lordievader> How are you doing marcoagpinto ?
[08:17] <marcoagpinto> well, right now I am feeling fine, and you?
[08:17] <marcoagpinto> :)
[08:17] <lordievader> Doing good here
[11:38] <marcoagpinto> guys?! What's with the "Software Updater" app in 19.04? We have to search for it manually... it sucks
[11:38] <lotuspsychje> you dont have the update icon?
[11:38] <marcoagpinto> lotuspsychje: only the "Live Patch"
[11:39] <marcoagpinto> I have to insert in the search box the name
[11:39] <marcoagpinto> "software updater"
[11:39] <lotuspsychje> marcoagpinto: type in terminal: update-manager
[11:40] <marcoagpinto> well, I am updating right now
[11:40] <marcoagpinto> I will do it when it finishes :)
[11:40] <marcoagpinto> some 5-10 minutes or so
[11:40] <lotuspsychje> you are updating with update manager without update-manager?
[11:40] <marcoagpinto> what?
[11:41] <lotuspsychje> yeah what :p
[11:41] <marcoagpinto> I went to the application store or whatever and typed manually "software updater" and it showed the icon
[11:41] <marcoagpinto> so, I clicked on it
[11:41] <marcoagpinto> but in all Ubuntu versions it would appear there automatically, no need to type it by hand
[11:42] <lotuspsychje> marcoagpinto: are you saying your system didnt have update-manager installed by default?
[11:42] <lotuspsychje> !info update-manager disco
[11:42] <marcoagpinto> lotuspsychje: What I am saying is that its icon doesn't appear in the apps list
[11:42] <marcoagpinto> :)
[11:43] <lotuspsychje> hmm optional indeed
[11:43] <marcoagpinto> but it is there
[11:43] <lotuspsychje> !info update-manager bionic
[11:43] <lotuspsychje> weird..
[11:44] <marcoagpinto> yes, it has useless apps there and this important one isn't shown
[11:44] <lotuspsychje> marcoagpinto: did you check software&updates icon if its integrated?
[11:45] <marcoagpinto> lotuspsychje: give me a few minutes as it is downloading and installing the updates
[11:45] <marcoagpinto> :)
[11:45] <marcoagpinto> first it had "unattend updates blah blah"
[11:49] <marcoagpinto> well, "software and updates" is missing too
[11:49] <marcoagpinto> it only shows the "live patch" icon
[11:49] <marcoagpinto> :)
[11:49] <marcoagpinto> lotuspsychje: ^^
[11:50] <marcoagpinto> lotuspsychje!!!!!
[11:50] <marcoagpinto> guess what?
[11:50] <marcoagpinto> it had two circles in the left part of the screen... and clicking in it, it shows another page of apps
[11:50] <marcoagpinto> and "Software Updater" is there
[11:51] <marcoagpinto> :((((((((((
[11:51] <marcoagpinto> only now I noticed the two circles
[11:51] <marcoagpinto> right part of the screen*
[12:15] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:18] <marcoagpinto> BluesKaj: Hey
[12:18] <BluesKaj> hey marcoagpinto
[14:25] <EoflaOE> Hello everyone
[14:27] <daftykins> \o
[14:42] <marcoagpinto> EoflaOE!
[14:43] <EoflaOE> Hello marcoagpinto
[14:43] <marcoagpinto> Hello!
[14:43] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[14:44] <marcoagpinto> dad is waiting for the TV repair guy to come :) meanwhile he is napping
[14:46] <daftykins> what's wrong with it?
[14:46] <marcoagpinto> it has a black horizontal line in the middle of the screen
[14:46] <marcoagpinto> :)
[14:47] <marcoagpinto> from one edge to the other
[14:49] <daftykins> ah that's not a good sign
[14:49] <marcoagpinto> :)
[14:49] <daftykins> usually they just say the whole panel's gone and nothing can be done as it'd be a write-off
[14:50] <marcoagpinto> the two-year warranty ends this month
[14:50] <marcoagpinto> :)
[14:50] <marcoagpinto> so, it happened exactly when it was going to end
[14:50] <daftykins> classic
[14:54] <marcoagpinto> guys?! Have you read about the 10th generation of Intel CPUs?
[14:54] <marcoagpinto> they say it is 2x faster or so, but they come with half the GHz of the previous generation
[14:54] <marcoagpinto> :)
[14:55] <marcoagpinto> so, they are two times faster but two times less GHz?
[14:55] <marcoagpinto> :)
[14:55] <marcoagpinto> 1,1 GHz
[14:55] <marcoagpinto> :)
[14:55] <marcoagpinto> they must be kidding
[14:55] <marcoagpinto> (regarding mobile CPUs)
[14:56] <daftykins> the numbers you're quoting are 100% false
[14:56] <marcoagpinto> what?
[14:56] <marcoagpinto> how?
[14:56] <marcoagpinto> I read it in Intel's site?
[14:56] <daftykins> the 2x? link it
[14:57] <marcoagpinto> ahhhh
[14:57] <marcoagpinto> :)
[14:57] <marcoagpinto> well, it was there when it said "10th gen processors are almost here blah blah"
[14:57] <marcoagpinto> :)
[14:57] <marcoagpinto> or something like that
[14:57] <daftykins> the only claims i've seen them make are the standard ~14% improvement over skylake, which was 6th gen
[14:57] <marcoagpinto> ohhhhhhh :((((
[14:57] <marcoagpinto> and the AI?
[14:58] <marcoagpinto> and improved graphic speed?
[15:00] <daftykins> i'm not their marketing :)
[15:02] <marcoagpinto> Buaaaaaaaa
[15:02] <marcoagpinto> I can't find it
[15:02] <marcoagpinto> :(
[15:03] <marcoagpinto> and why are they releasing 6-core CPUs at 1,1 GHz?
[15:03] <marcoagpinto> it seems a joke :(
[15:04] <daftykins> there are many different tiers denoted by the ending letter after the model name, so it pretty much points out how useless it is when someones says for example "i have an i7"
[15:04] <daftykins> because... which of the 10 generations is it? which form factor? which model? no two are born alike
[15:05] <marcoagpinto> :(
[15:08] <marcoagpinto> "With approximately 2.5x accelerated AI performance1, approximately 2x graphics performance2, nearly 3x faster wireless speeds"
[15:08] <marcoagpinto> https://www.intel.co.uk/content/www/uk/en/products/processors/core/i7-processors.html
[15:09] <daftykins> lately they seem to be designing these things with more cores than the cooling hardware in, say, ultrabooks can even keep cool... so they're more about throwing more cores in for bursty loads, but they can't handle sustained load
[15:09] <marcoagpinto> maybe AI accelarated performance isn't CPU speed :(
[15:09] <marcoagpinto> I guess I read it wrong, sorry for it
[15:09] <daftykins> ;)
[15:11] <marcoagpinto> i7-10710U - 6 cores - 1.10 GHz :((((((((((
[15:13] <marcoagpinto> even my Atom 10.1'' laptop had 1,6 GHz in 2012?
[15:14] <daftykins> but clock speed isn't everything...
[15:14] <daftykins> if the IPC or instructions per clock of that model i7 10th gen is higher (which it will be, by a lot) than an Atom, it'll destroy it
[15:16] <marcoagpinto> ohhhhhhhh
[15:16] <marcoagpinto> :(((((
[15:17] <EoflaOE> Can anyone tell me if the Intel Core i7 10th gen is only for mobile devces like laptops? Or will it be released for desktops?
[15:17] <daftykins> desktop will come eventually but they keep having process problems so it takes time
[15:17] <marcoagpinto> and I am scared about the 10 nm process
[15:17] <marcoagpinto> I read that in the past try tried and it had issues
[15:17] <marcoagpinto> :(
[15:17] <marcoagpinto> try tried=they tried*
[15:18] <EoflaOE> Thanks daftykins
[15:19] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: Where do I find the IPC values?
[15:19] <marcoagpinto> :)
[15:19] <marcoagpinto> I am now curious
[15:20] <daftykins> i don't think it's a metric they commonly throw around
[15:20] <marcoagpinto> ohhhhhhhh :((((((((((
[15:20] <daftykins> obviously every task is going to be different
[15:38] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: https://chipsite.pt/sk-intel-2066/23109-intel-core-i9-9900x-35ghz-5032037146371.html
[15:38] <marcoagpinto> this is what I would like to see in a laptop
[15:40] <daftykins> very bad idea
[15:40] <marcoagpinto> what?! why?!
[15:40] <marcoagpinto> :)
[15:41] <marcoagpinto> a 9th generation CPU
[15:41] <marcoagpinto> i9
[15:41] <daftykins> even the i9s that are in laptops are bad ideas
[15:41] <marcoagpinto> why?
[15:41] <daftykins> they can't be cooled properly in the small spaces, so they throttle themselves
[15:41] <marcoagpinto> I noticed that the stores that were selling laptops with i9s no longer sell them
[15:41] <daftykins> (reduce clock speed to counteract heat)
[15:56] <lordievader> What is the tdp of that thing?
[15:58] <marcoagpinto> lordievader: I don't have a clue... maybe Intel's site has it?
[15:59] <marcoagpinto> 165 W
[15:59] <marcoagpinto> https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/189124/intel-core-i9-9900x-x-series-processor-19-25m-cache-up-to-4-50-ghz.html
[15:59] <marcoagpinto> maybe my T4200 computer consumes more?
[15:59] <marcoagpinto> :)
[15:59] <marcoagpinto> since it is from 2009?
[16:00] <daftykins> no
[16:01] <marcoagpinto> https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/37251/intel-pentium-processor-t4200-1m-cache-2-00-ghz-800-mhz-fsb.html
[16:01] <marcoagpinto> ohhhh....
[16:01] <lordievader> You're gonna run out of battery before the thing is even booted </sarcasm>
[16:01] <marcoagpinto> 35 W
[16:02] <marcoagpinto> I thought my CPU was very old so it would consume a lot of power...
[16:02] <marcoagpinto> only 35 W
[16:03] <lordievader> Compare that to an idle wattage that some laptops have of ~3 watts
[16:04] <lordievader> Yes this is comparing apples and pears...
[16:11] <daftykins> plus it's thermal design power so it's truthfully only how much heat it kicks out, not strictly the power it consumes - though they'd be close
[16:12] <daftykins> also that'd only be going full tilt, and the only 3W laptops i know of are calculators in terms of performance...
[16:14] <lordcirth_> 3W idle != 3W TDP
[16:14] <lordievader> That T4200 is also a laptop CPU, which are typically low power versions.
[16:14] <lordcirth_> If you want really low power, you want ARM, not x86.
[16:14] <lordievader> Like I was saying comparing apples and pears
[16:15] <lordievader> 🤔is the English version apples and oranges?
[16:16] <lordcirth_> Ooh, the Pinebook Pro has a final price! $200 USD. That's really cheap.
[16:17] <Talikka> Any people from Northern Europe here?
[16:18] <OerHeks> Talikka, how far north?
[16:19] <lordievader> For a definition of North, yes.
[16:19] <Talikka> Nordic and Baltic countries.
[16:20] <OerHeks> nope, i live in a silly kingdom, next to Belgium
[16:20] <Talikka> That's Central Europe (or Western?)
[16:20] <OerHeks> western
[16:20] <Talikka> koonigin der nederlanden
[16:20] <Talikka> I remember a coin
[16:20] <OerHeks> slagroomsoesjes stroopwafels taxparadise
[16:20] <OerHeks> jups
[16:22] <marcoagpinto> lordievader: yes, my laptop... T4200
[16:22] <marcoagpinto> :)
[16:22] <marcoagpinto> from 2009
[16:22] <marcoagpinto> it still works today
[16:23] <daftykins> if you know it, feel free to ignore it
[16:24] <lordievader> <OerHeks "slagroomsoesjes stroopwafels tax"> Nice description
[16:26] <OerHeks> stroopwafels is famous now by McDonalds
[16:30] <lordcirth_> McDonalds has stroopwafels now?
[16:34] <marcoagpinto> ahhhhh... I miss McDonalds... :)
[16:34] <marcoagpinto> some nice plastic food
[16:34]  * daftykins is going to England on Thursday so will try to get some fast food goodness
[16:35] <OerHeks> the fastest food in nl, is when you hold up a hotdog on the beach, seagulls
[16:35] <OerHeks> woesh
[16:35] <daftykins> :D
[16:37] <OerHeks> last year, we had an orphan seagull, lost his mom, hanged around the green yard for a while, lots of people gave him food, this year, same period, he is back
[16:37] <OerHeks> walking around like the grass is not for chihuahuas
[16:39] <daftykins> tut tut!
[16:40] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[16:40] <OerHeks> Pien: we had a deal .. https://photos.app.goo.gl/wHcgN8YrfHWWCuic8
[16:41] <OerHeks> Drabber: i told you she would .. https://photos.app.goo.gl/97caVv9uyEk1fqxN8
[16:42] <OerHeks> apple event in 18 minutes
[16:52] <daftykins> what did she do? :o
[16:58] <OerHeks> That is how she sits in the hallway, waiting for a walk
[16:58] <OerHeks> pokey eyes
[17:00] <czesmir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=996wliAI_y4
[17:01] <OerHeks> enter your creditcard details in advance
[17:18] <daftykins> xD
[17:20] <OerHeks> ShutuP, TAKE MY $4,99
[17:50] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: https://www.lenovo.com/pt/pt/laptops/thinkpad/p-series/ThinkPad-P73/p/20QRCTO1WWPTPT2
[17:50] <marcoagpinto> 6039 EUR
[17:50] <marcoagpinto> :)
[17:51] <marcoagpinto> this is what we call a good machine
[17:51] <marcoagpinto> :p
[17:51] <daftykins> nope
[17:51] <marcoagpinto> no? :(((((((((((
[17:51] <marcoagpinto> why not?
[17:51] <marcoagpinto> :(((((((
[18:02] <sarnold> OerHeks: stroopwafels taxparadise.. is that a password or a band name? :)
[18:09] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: What is "Opal"?
[18:09] <marcoagpinto> "2 TB, M.2 2280, PCIe-NVMe, Opal"
[18:10] <sarnold> opal in the context of hard drives is a hardware based encryption thingy
[18:10] <daftykins> an encryption standard
[18:10] <marcoagpinto> ahhhhhhhh
[18:10] <marcoagpinto> :)
[18:10] <marcoagpinto> thanks
[18:11] <daftykins> essentially when you enter a 'hard disk password' into the BIOS of a machine and/or add your fingerprint to the sensor in the OS, you can require either be 'entered' before it'll unlock the drive to boot
[18:11] <marcoagpinto> ahhhhh
[18:11] <marcoagpinto> :)
[18:11] <marcoagpinto> thanks
[18:13] <sarnold> https://github.com/Drive-Trust-Alliance/sedutil
[18:14] <daftykins> SED is widely considered unsafe due to flaws in SSD manufacturer firmware, for example not long ago Crucial were found to be using a blank password in their implementation
[18:14] <daftykins> it's a real shame :(
[18:15] <lordcirth_> Yeah, I don't trust any hardware encryption.
[18:16] <sarnold> https://www.ru.nl/publish/pages/909282/draft-paper.pdf
[18:18] <daftykins> sometimes it's worth giving context to links
[18:19] <sarnold> naaaaaah
[18:19] <sarnold> everybody clicks on everything
[18:19] <sarnold> all the time :)
[18:23] <daftykins> ;) not when it's a PDF
[18:25] <sarnold> "Self-encrypting deception: weaknesses in theencryption of solid state drives (SSDs)"
[18:25] <sarnold> :D
[18:44] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: You seem to be an expert in computer science... :) is there a way to know the brand of SSD drives that come with laptops?
[18:44] <marcoagpinto> the sites don't refer to brands, they just say the size
[18:45] <sarnold> that's one of the details you ought to assume can change from minute to minute
[18:45] <marcoagpinto> :((((((((((
[18:46] <daftykins> i don't think comp sci even touches hardware ;)
[18:46] <marcoagpinto> what?
[18:46] <lordcirth_> Computer science isn't about computers.
[18:46] <lordcirth_> At least, not specific computers.
[18:46] <marcoagpinto> how?! why?! what?!
[18:47] <lordcirth_> "Computer science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes." -- Dijkstra
[18:48] <marcoagpinto> ohhhhhhh
[18:48] <marcoagpinto> Dijkstra
[18:48] <marcoagpinto> !!!!
[18:48] <sarnold> computer science will include *architectural* questions -- registers, CPU cache, main memory, disks, networking, latencies to get to them, and how you can choose among different datastructures and algorithms to make most use of the resources you have available
[18:48] <lordcirth_> While the quote has been debated, it's nonetheless true that many computer scientists know very little about hardware, where others know lots.
[18:48] <marcoagpinto> Dijkstra created the algorithms that draw lines on the screen
[18:48] <marcoagpinto> :)
[18:48] <sarnold> you might wind up writing assembler for specific processors, but that's pretty rare these days
[18:48] <marcoagpinto> or was it the closest traject between two points? I can't remember
[18:49] <lordcirth_> I have several friends who recently got their PhD's in computer science; one writes compilers and the other does geometry.
[18:49] <lordcirth_> "Dijkstra's algorithm" is for pathfinding; but he invented others, I'm sure.
[18:49] <marcoagpinto> yes, path finding!
[18:50] <marcoagpinto> the closest traject between two points
[18:50] <marcoagpinto> :)
[18:50] <marcoagpinto> I read about it years ago for my PhD project
[18:50] <marcoagpinto> :)
[18:50] <marcoagpinto> I didn't know he was a famous person
[18:50] <marcoagpinto> :p
[18:51] <daftykins> Prim's algorithm too, that all came up in Maths lessons for me
[18:51] <daftykins> the teacher had no idea what they were about though, just said "i think it has something to do with computers"
[18:51] <marcoagpinto> I would never guess that more people knew about Dijkstra :)
[18:51] <daftykins> with no decent tie to real-world tasks, i gave up not longer after ^_^
[18:55] <JimBuntu> It's pretty common for people not to work in the fields they studied. I know an astrophysicist that's a programmer now.
[18:56] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[18:56] <JimBuntu> That's actually a common thing though, turning from astronomy to computers
[18:59] <sarnold> eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Spencer
[19:00] <JimBuntu> I would have to look, but I wonder what his thoughts are on Linux
[19:01] <lordcirth_> One of my coworkers has a PhD in physics, and is now in IT.
[19:01] <marcoagpinto> after I finish my studies I want to return to the paranormal field!!!! I just hope I won't get crazier again!
[19:01] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:01] <lordcirth_> paranormal?
[19:02] <JimBuntu> marcoagpinto, yes, you WILL get crazier... but that's OK
[19:02] <marcoagpinto> yes, one of my greatest hobbies
[19:02] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:02] <marcoagpinto> UFO, aliens and paranormal
[19:02] <lordcirth_> Well, that explains a lot.
[19:02] <marcoagpinto> but for over ten years that I have no time for it
[19:02] <JimBuntu> ( because UFOs and aliens are normal )
[19:04] <JimBuntu> paraBuntu - The new flavor of Ubuntu geared and skinned for parapsychologists and the like.
[19:05] <TJ-> JimBuntu:  I think most of my systems must already be on that judging by how they behave!
[19:06] <marcoagpinto> I have done some crazy things in my search for cosmic knowledge, such as sleeping with a moldavite crystal tapped to the forehead :)
[19:07] <marcoagpinto> then, the experiences during sleep became so bad that I couldn't handle them
[19:07] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:07] <lordcirth_> Maybe you should stop doing crazy things then
[19:07] <marcoagpinto> lordcirth_: I knoe
[19:07] <marcoagpinto> know*
[19:08] <marcoagpinto> I bought a CD with neural waves or whatever to develop telepahy :) but after some time I started feeling dizzy and gave up
[19:08] <marcoagpinto> that some 20 years ago? I can't remember
[19:10] <JimBuntu> many, many years ago I tried various things with crystals after reading a book about them. Sat and stared at a few intensely for maybe 8 hours at a time. Nothing happened, who woulda thunk it?
[19:11] <marcoagpinto> http://marcoagpinto.com/me_science.html#sciencepsi <-this should give you an insight
[19:11] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:11] <marcoagpinto> my search for knowledge
[19:11] <marcoagpinto> :p
[19:11] <JimBuntu> I already have that bookmarked
[19:12] <marcoagpinto> ahhhhhh
[19:12] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:12] <marcoagpinto> researchers may find it is valuable information not found elsewhere
[19:12] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:18] <lordcirth_> Somehow I doubt that.
[19:18] <marcoagpinto> what?! why?!
[19:18] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:31] <marcoagpinto> I already have a visit card after I update my homepage in 2021: https://i.imgur.com/2Yw9Z3J.png
[19:31] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:33] <marcoagpinto> so, I am planning ahead
[19:33] <lordcirth_> How very 90's.
[19:33] <lordcirth_> On an unrelated note, one of our researchers managed to OOM a box with 12TiB of RAM. So that's fun.
[19:34] <marcoagpinto> what?
[19:34] <marcoagpinto> what is "OOM"?
[19:35] <lordcirth_> out of memory.
[19:35] <marcoagpinto> ohhhhhhhhh
[19:35] <lordcirth_> Their job got killed by the kernel.
[19:35] <daftykins> :D
[19:36] <marcoagpinto> once I was making a test extracting an Arabian dictionary with my Proofing Tool GUI to test a new feature and it became 10s of GB big
[19:36] <marcoagpinto> it had millions of words in Arab
[19:36] <marcoagpinto> some 20+ GB :((((((
[19:37] <marcoagpinto> a normal .txt file
[19:37] <marcoagpinto> in fact I did it with two versions of PTG to test the feature, so it took double space
[19:37] <marcoagpinto> I am glad it didn't end all the space in C: or it would crash my computer
[19:38] <marcoagpinto> both versions running at the same time, while I was napping
[20:27] <leftyfb> We've been getting a lot of these errors in our AWS CI. It goes away eventually. Is there issues with the mirrors lately? 10:46:09  [91mE: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/systemd/libsystemd0_237-3ubuntu10.29_amd64.deb  404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[20:27] <leftyfb> 10:46:09  E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[20:34] <sarnold> this grabbed the file from all the IPv4 addresses .. for ip in $(host security.ubuntu.com | sort -u | awk '/security.ubuntu.com has address/ {print $4;}') ; do curl --resolve security.ubuntu.com:80:${ip} http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/systemd/libsystemd0_237-3ubuntu10.29_amd64.deb -o $ip ; done
[20:34] <TJ-> leftyfb:  404 usually indicates the package lists are out-of-date and the version of the package in the archive has been replaced with a newer version.
[20:35] <TJ-> leftyfb:  the other possibility is the local package lists for apt are out of date
[20:35] <leftyfb> it's neither
[20:35] <sarnold> leftyfb: any chance you've got a funny proxy playing games? it's of course possible you grabbed the lists from one mirror and then tried to grab the file from another mirror that wasn't htere yet, but it ought to have been repaired eventually
[20:36] <TJ-> leftyfb:  from the host the reports the 404 immediately try to fetch the package manually using curl or wget
[20:36] <TJ-> leftyfb:  I find "wget -S -O /dev/null ..." useful, -S shows the returned HTTP headers
[20:38] <leftyfb> http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python2.7/libpython2.7-minimal_2.7.15-4ubuntu4~18.04_amd64.deb
[20:38] <leftyfb> I get 404 for that right now
[20:39] <TJ-> same here
[20:40] <sarnold> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Z3JM9JWdhq/
[20:40] <leftyfb> it should be available
[20:41] <TJ-> leftyfb:  I don't see that one, only 2.7.15-4ubuntu4~18.04.1
[20:41] <TJ-> leftyfb:  ^^ according to apt-cache policy
[20:42] <leftyfb> yeah, I'm seeing that as well. Sorry, I'm relaying info from the guys who maintain our CI :)
[20:42] <TJ-> .1 is there
[20:42] <leftyfb> yeah, I see that now
[20:42] <TJ-> so looks like the local package list is out of date
[20:53] <leftyfb> A coworker in Paraguay is seeing packages listed on http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python2.7/ that aren't there anymore
[20:54] <daftykins> that's funny, i'm 404ing against digitalocean's mirror
[20:54] <TJ-> leftyfb:  transparent HTTP proxy .... try https maybe?
[20:54] <leftyfb> no proxies. This is on his home machine and our CI in AWS periodically
[20:55] <leftyfb> neither of which is using any proxies for packages
[20:55] <daftykins> and suddenly it's fine after 3 repeats of apt update
[20:55] <leftyfb> see
[20:55] <leftyfb> that's exactly what we're seeing
[20:56] <leftyfb> sarnold: ^
[20:57] <sarnold> leftyfb: our IS staff is currently forcing a sync on all the machines again, hopefully this will sort it out
[20:57] <TJ-> sarnold:  oh did you beat me to it?
[20:57] <leftyfb> sarnold: thank you :)
[20:57] <sarnold> TJ-: yeah, and fdunny enough someone else had beat me to it too :) but I had easy pastebins handy, so...
[20:58] <leftyfb> sarnold: tell sciri I said hi :)
[20:58] <TJ-> sarnold: funny thing is I was reading earlier today some fluff-piece about how the hybrid caching juju charm that is responsible for the infrastructure was so fab with multiple haproxy etc
[21:00] <TJ-> ah here it is  https://ubuntu.com/blog/running-an-ubuntu-mirror-with-juju
[21:00] <sarnold> TJ-: oh got a link for it? I thought the security.ubuntu.com (and the archives in dns) were "real" live machines; all the public clouds use the caching proxies rather than their own mirrors
[21:00] <sarnold> TJ-: woot
[21:02] <leftyfb> sarnold: when would be a good time to restart the build process on our end? An hour? Tomorrow morning?
[21:10] <sarnold> leftyfb: let me rerun my python download and see if that worked
[21:10] <sarnold> leftyfb: dang :( not yet :(
[21:11] <sarnold> leftyfb: my guess is "an hour", but then I was also guessing it might have already been fixed.. so.. I'm not doing great on guesses at the moment :)
[21:12] <leftyfb> ok, thanks. Might be best to just tell them to hold off till the morning
[21:22] <TJ-> leftyfb:  we've just been told it should be good now
[21:22] <leftyfb> awesome, thanks
[21:22] <leftyfb> surprised we haven't heard of more people having an issue with this
[21:32] <marcoagpinto> guys?!
[21:32] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[21:33] <marcoagpinto> I haven't tested with 18.04.3 but it is possible that pop-up menus coded in PureBasic with "&&" don't show "&" to be a bug of PureBasic of Ubuntu?
[21:33] <marcoagpinto> and emoji characters don't allow to change the colour?
[21:33] <marcoagpinto> I mentioned this the other day but no one replied
[21:34] <marcoagpinto> of Ubuntu=or Ubuntu*
[22:04] <tomreyn> maybe it's because no one uses purebasic?
[22:22] <marcoagpinto> tomreyn: What I was asking is if anyone can try it in other languages
[22:22] <marcoagpinto> :)
[22:22] <marcoagpinto> create a pop-up menu with "&&", for example: "Pick && Save" to see if it shows "Pick & Save"
[22:22] <marcoagpinto> :)
[22:23] <marcoagpinto> and the emoji, one could create a text gadget with some text and an emoji and change the colour of the gadget to see if the emoji changes too
[22:23] <tomreyn> marcoagpinto: i wouldn't even know how to do so, would need instructions
[22:23] <marcoagpinto> :(((((((((((
[22:24] <marcoagpinto> Python?
[22:24] <tomreyn> i'm aware that exists
[22:24] <akemlenovo> Maybe you need to escape or encode that character for it to display properly.
[22:24] <marcoagpinto> I am escaping with a double "&&"
[22:25] <marcoagpinto> it works okay on Windows
[22:25] <tomreyn> maybeyou need \& or &&
[22:25] <marcoagpinto> tomreyn: I will test your suggestion tomorrow
[22:25] <marcoagpinto> :)
[22:25] <marcoagpinto> thanks
[22:26] <marcoagpinto> I will copy your line into a text file so that I remember
[22:26] <tomreyn> the former would be shell escaping, the latter url encoding
[22:27] <marcoagpinto> ahhhhh
[22:27] <marcoagpinto> :)
[22:27] <marcoagpinto> thanks
[22:29] <marcoagpinto> Damn... no wonder my laptop was slow as hell... there are several Windows updates :(((((((((((
[22:29] <marcoagpinto> including a commulative
[22:29] <marcoagpinto> there was a lot HDD activity so I checked and there are updates
[22:30] <daftykins> came out 5 hours ago mmhmm
[22:30] <marcoagpinto> yes, the computer has been slow for hours
[22:30] <daftykins> heh you must really be using an HDD then
[22:30] <daftykins> you should sort that
[22:30] <marcoagpinto> yes, this one has a 750 GB Western Digital HDD
[22:31] <marcoagpinto> the other has a 500 GB SSD SAMSUNG
[22:31] <akemlenovo> Some Windows updates are buggy also, you're maybe victim of the cortana CPU crunch.
[22:32] <daftykins> such bad journalism these days :(
[22:32] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: Buaaaaaaaa... on Friday's meeting the PhD supervisor asked if I was a journalist
[22:33] <daftykins> o0
[22:33] <marcoagpinto> because he asked if my thesis is now a narrative and I said I didn't know and that it all depended on the cosupervisor's opinion
[22:33] <marcoagpinto> :(
[22:33] <marcoagpinto> "what? you don't know what you have written?"
[22:34] <marcoagpinto> :(
[22:34] <akemlenovo> marcoagpinto, your native language is portuguese right?
[22:34] <marcoagpinto> yes
[22:34] <akemlenovo> Cool. I tried to look a bit a it, it sounds much more complicated than spanish to me.
[22:35] <marcoagpinto> Spanish people don't understand Portuguese and we understand both... it is weird
[22:35] <daftykins> haha that's mad
[22:36] <marcoagpinto> yes
[22:36] <tomreyn> it might be wise to point out that while you have your own opinion and point of view trhat your understanding of the cosupervisors work is that he's to guide you to a result that is agreeable amongst all of the PhD supervisor, him, and yourself.
[22:36] <marcoagpinto> if I speak in Portuguese to Spanish customers at work, they reply: "no intendo" (I don't understand)
[22:37] <sarnold> leftyfb: < Sciri> sarnold: Hi leftyfb!
[22:37] <daftykins> that sounds extremely close to Nintendo
[22:37] <tomreyn> but then thats japanese
[22:37] <akemlenovo> :)
[22:37] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[22:37] <marcoagpinto> when I had the 1000-page thesis I felt it was very good
[22:38] <daftykins> sorry tomreyn, but your ubuntu is in another castle
[22:38] <marcoagpinto> but the professor said it was "sh**"
[22:38] <marcoagpinto> so, now it is ~420 pages
[22:38]  * tomreyn sharpens sword
[22:38] <daftykins> does sound like he was trying to tell you it was too long :>
[22:39] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: I had all the algorithms explained in detail, with examples
[22:39] <marcoagpinto> he said "PhD thesis don't have examples"
[22:39] <marcoagpinto> :(
[22:39] <marcoagpinto> theses*
[22:41] <jeremyb> lock the professor in your basement for a week and feed him with a slingshot
[22:41] <marcoagpinto> what?


[08:22] <seb128> goood morning desktopers!
[08:23] <lissyx> seb128, hello
[08:24] <seb128> lissyx, hey, how are you today?
[08:24] <lissyx> can you try to run a nightly build on launchapd?
[08:24] <lissyx> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1855351
[08:24] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Mozilla bug 1855351 in Firefox Build System "Perma [tier 2] snap-nightly with failure 'override-build' in part 'firefox' failed with code 1." [--, New]
[08:24] <lissyx> PGO is broken on our side :(
[08:24] <lissyx> and I'm stuck bisecting something else so I can't investigate further for now
[08:25] <seb128> lissyx, ack
[08:25] <seb128> started on https://launchpad.net/~mozilla-snaps/firefox/+snap/firefox-snap-nightly
[08:26] <seb128> the previous builds earlier today failed but that seemed like a connectivity issue
[08:26] <lissyx> amd64 would have been enough
[08:48] <seb128> lissyx, right, it's a limitation of the webUI which didn't give me the choice (I could have done if from a command line instead and specified the arch but I'm busy with other things and it was easier to do from the browser)
[09:10] <lissyx> seb128, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1855395
[09:10] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Mozilla bug 1855395 in Core "Crash in [@ g_cclosure_marshal_BOOLEAN__BOXED_BOXEDv]" [--, New]
[09:11] <lissyx> first reports on sept 20th
[09:11] <lissyx> and it's hitting all versions, even a 111.0 ?
[09:25] <seb128> fun
[09:28] <seb128> lissyx, this 111.0 build isn't a snap right?
[09:28] <lissyx> I think it might be: https://buildhub.moz.tools/?q=20230314153037
[09:29] <lissyx> or it's a deb
[09:29] <lissyx> err no it'rs a snap.
[09:29] <lissyx> https://crash-stats.mozilla.org/report/index/fe726f7b-7b7e-455f-8f43-93ff80230921#tab-telemetryenvironment
[09:29] <lissyx> distribution id shows canonical-002
[09:35] <seb128> lissyx, I've difficulties to make sense of it
[09:35] <seb128> firefox is a confined snap and it gets its glib from the sdk
[09:36] <seb128> it's not the switch to core22 since it impacts some old versions like 111 also
[09:36] <lissyx> but it started around sept 20th on multiple versions
[09:36] <seb128> and afaik core20/gnome-3-38 didn't have recent glib changes
[09:38] <lissyx> wait it shows 20th because it's the limit on the searrch ...
[09:39] <lissyx> seb128, https://crash-stats.mozilla.org/signature/?product=Firefox&signature=g_cclosure_marshal_BOOLEAN__BOXED_BOXEDv&date=%3E%3D2023-02-27T08%3A59%3A00.000Z&date=%3C2023-09-27T08%3A59%3A00.000Z&_columns=date&_columns=product&_columns=version&_columns=build_id&_columns=platform&_columns=reason&_columns=address&_columns=install_time&_columns=startup_crash&_sort=date&_sort=&page=1
[09:39] <lissyx> seb128, but still crashes at the same time on different versions
[09:44] <seb128> lissyx, so the oldest report is on 2023-06-20?
[09:44] <lissyx> yes
[09:44] <lissyx> see the link
[09:44] <lissyx> multiple versions affected at the same time
[09:44] <seb128> lissyx, which is around the time of that security update, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/2.64.6-1~ubuntu20.04.6
[09:45] <seb128> I wonder if there is either some regression in that glib fix
[09:45] <seb128> or if firefox is doing something stupid with glib which happened to work before but doesn't anymore after the fix
[09:46] <seb128> anyway my guess would be that it has to do with the glib changes from that upload (it was a security fix issues to the different Ubuntu series and which would have been picked up by a gnome sdk rebuild)
[09:46] <lissyx> the stacks I can see on several bugs shows different paths from libxul
[09:47] <lissyx> so I'm a bit skeptical we are doing something wrong
[09:47] <seb128> lissyx, can you see from the metrics if there are reports from core22 versions of the snap?
[09:47] <lissyx> seb128, do you have the dates for uploads to 23.04 and 22.04 ?
[09:47] <seb128> lissyx, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0
[09:48] <seb128> 2023-06-14 was the date for 20.04 and 22.04
[09:48] <seb128> there was no upload to 23.04 but maybe that's because the version there already had the fix?
[09:48] <seb128> also those are updates to the deb, we would need to see when the sdk snaps were rebuild to pick up that security update
[09:49] <lissyx> this lack of public history :(
[09:51] <lissyx> seb128, https://crash-stats.mozilla.org/report/index/8bc01b5d-fc81-46a4-b7aa-b324d0230620#tab-modules
[09:51] <lissyx> we have links to the debug symbols of libglib and others
[10:03] <seb128> lissyx, the build dates of https://code.launchpad.net/~desktop-snappers/+snap/gnome-3-38-2004 suggest we didn't have a sdk update to include the new glib before July-8
[10:04] <seb128> I'm a bit puzzled
[10:24] <lissyx> seb128, unrelated, but it looks like pipewire-bin and pipewire-pulse can't be co-installed for amd64/arm64
[10:24] <lissyx> https://treeherder.mozilla.org/logviewer?job_id=430461964&repo=try&lineNumber=266-271
[10:24] <lissyx> others seems fine
[10:28] <lissyx> aptitude might be able to do it?
[10:35] <lissyx> seb128, for the PGO, it looks like I reproduced locally and that after removing `--enable-linker=gold` as suggested by glandium, I dont have a problem anymore: https://phabricator.services.mozilla.com/D189362
[10:47] <seb128> lissyx, the nightly job I retried also failed, https://launchpad.net/~mozilla-snaps/firefox/+snap/firefox-snap-nightly/+build/2242499
[10:48] <seb128> lissyx, pipewire, seems like a multiarch issue in the package maybe, worth reporting to Debian or on launchpad
[11:05] <lissyx> seb128, awesome, the pgo failure is the same as us and my desktop repro
[11:44] <seb128> lissyx, is building without gold what we usually want or just a temporary workaround for that problem?
[11:44] <lissyx> seb128, I dont know
[11:44] <lissyx> seb128, glandium told me it's not required anymore
[11:45] <lissyx> > glandium
[11:45] <lissyx> --enable-linker=gold should be removed
[11:45] <lissyx> I can ask him more details, but he's in japan so wont get the answer now
[11:45] <seb128> I would still be interested by the reply even if it's later
[11:45] <seb128> we can disable for now but I want to know if that's something we should keep or only do temporarly
[11:47] <lissyx> it's not mentionned anymore on https://firefox-source-docs.mozilla.org/build/buildsystem/pgo.html
[11:47] <seb128> I wonder why Olivier used gold to start with
[12:11] <lissyx> seb128, --enable-lto=cross is also not referred to anymore in any of our build config
[12:11] <lissyx> seb128, and the try opt build failed on linkage, while try debug succeeded (we remove this flag on debug)
[12:12] <lissyx> seb128, cf https://treeherder.mozilla.org/jobs?repo=try&revision=c31950211c4f2556ffe31180835a198e6b95c2a7
[12:12] <lissyx> so maybe we need to just keep MOZ_PGO=1
[12:12] <lissyx> (as the doc states, btw)
[12:44] <KGB-2> nautilus upstream/latest 395768f Jeremy Bicha * pushed 13 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/3g52g
[12:44] <KGB-0> nautilus pristine-tar 00ae195 Jeremy Bícha nautilus_45.0.orig.tar.xz.delta nautilus_45.0.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for nautilus_45.0.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/k16h
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[13:39] <KGB-0> glib pipeline Simon McVittie 584331 * pending (extract-source: pending; build: created; build i386: created; build armhf: created; build arm64: created; build source: created; test-build-any: created; test-build-all: created; reprotest: created; lintian: created; autopkgtest: created; blhc: created; piuparts: created)
[13:40] <KGB-0> glib pipeline Simon McVittie 584331 * running (extract-source: running; build: created; build i386: created; build armhf: created; build arm64: created; build source: created; test-build-any: created; test-build-all: created; reprotest: created; lintian: created; autopkgtest: created; blhc: created; piuparts: created)
[14:16] <lissyx> seb128, bandali, so, we can get armhf and arm64 cross-built even on our current docker setup: https://treeherder.mozilla.org/jobs?repo=try&revision=b0272dc3322ea7fb826c629872da2b02e01515ad
[14:16] <seb128> great
[14:16] <lissyx> it's a bit hacky, and hopefully I should get provided workers without docker soon
[15:00] <KGB-0> glib pipeline Simon McVittie 584331 * [45 minutes and 13 seconds] failed (extract-source: success; build: success; build i386: success; build armhf: failed; build arm64: failed; build source: success; test-build-any: skipped; test-build-all: skipped; reprotest: success; lintian: failed; autopkgtest: success; blhc: success; piuparts: failed)
[15:16] <KGB-0> GNOME / nautilus builds Jeremy Bicha * Build #4745908 (extract-source) stage: provisioning, status: created
[15:16] <KGB-2> GNOME / nautilus builds Jeremy Bicha * Build #4745910 (build i386) stage: build, status: created
[15:16] <KGB-0> GNOME / nautilus builds Jeremy Bicha * Build #4745911 (build source) stage: build, status: created
[15:16] <KGB-2> GNOME / nautilus builds Jeremy Bicha * Build #4745915 (reprotest) stage: test, status: created
[15:16] <KGB-0> GNOME / nautilus builds Jeremy Bicha * Build #4745912 (test-build-any) stage: test, status: created
[15:16] <KGB-2> GNOME / nautilus builds Jeremy Bicha * Build #4745918 (blhc) stage: test, status: created
[15:16] <KGB-0> GNOME / nautilus builds Jeremy Bicha * Build #4745914 (test-crossbuild-arm64) stage: test, status: created
[15:16] <KGB-0> GNOME / nautilus builds Jeremy Bicha * Build #4745913 (test-build-all) stage: test, status: created
[15:16] <KGB-2> nautilus pipeline Jeremy Bicha 584352 * running (extract-source: running; build: created; build i386: created; build source: created; test-build-any: created; test-build-all: created; test-crossbuild-arm64: created; reprotest: created; lintian: created; autopkgtest: created; blhc: created; piuparts: created)
[15:16] <KGB-0> GNOME / nautilus builds Jeremy Bicha * Build #4745916 (lintian) stage: test, status: created
[15:17] <KGB-0> GNOME / nautilus builds Jeremy Bicha * Build #4745919 (piuparts) stage: test, status: created
[15:38] <KGB-2> nautilus pipeline Jeremy Bicha 584352 * [21 minutes and 51 seconds] failed (extract-source: success; build: success; build i386: success; build source: success; test-build-any: failed; test-build-all: success; test-crossbuild-arm64: failed; reprotest: failed; lintian: success; autopkgtest: success; blhc: success; piuparts: success)
[15:52] <lissyx> bandali, can we merge https://github.com/canonical/firefox-snap/pull/29 to unblock https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1855351 ?
[15:52] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Pull 29 in canonical/firefox-snap "Bug1855351 pog failure" [Open]
[15:52] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Mozilla bug 1855351 in Firefox Build System "Perma [tier 2] snap-nightly with failure 'override-build' in part 'firefox' failed with code 1." [--, New]
[15:53] <KGB-0> nautilus pipeline Jeremy Bicha 584352 * [21 minutes and 51 seconds] running (extract-source: success; build: success; build i386: success; build source: success; test-build-all: success; lintian: success; autopkgtest: success; blhc: success; piuparts: success; test-build-any: pending; test-crossbuild-arm64: pending; reprotest: pending)
[16:08] <bandali> lissyx, sure, now done, thank you!
[16:08] <lissyx> :p
[16:34] <KGB-0> gnome-shell pipeline Simon McVittie 584373 * pending (extract-source: pending; build: created; build i386: created; build source: created; test-build-any: created; test-build-all: created; test-crossbuild-arm64: created; reprotest: created; lintian: created; autopkgtest: created; blhc: created; piuparts: created)
[16:38] <KGB-0> gnome-shell pipeline Simon McVittie 584374 * pending (extract-source: pending; build: created; build i386: created; build source: created; test-build-any: created; test-build-all: created; test-crossbuild-arm64: created; reprotest: created; lintian: created; autopkgtest: created; blhc: created; piuparts: created)
[20:13] <lissyx> bandali, I'm abou to go to sleep, but I could use your input on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1854374 ; this is reported by someone using snap package on kde/opensuse and he always hit weird issues, I'm skeptical of the KDE/OpenSUSE integration itself ...
[20:13] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Mozilla bug 1854374 in Core "'(null)' displayed instead of 'Firefox' in Snap Location Access permission prompt." [--, Unconfirmed]
[23:23] <PLTrace> hello! can somebody please help me diagnosing a problem? When using a plain "old" Ubuntu 22.04 live pen I'm able to see my Brother MFC-J6530DW printer and use it (both printer and scanner). From my installed version, after some update which I'm unable to identify, it suddenly stopped being found. I'm using it in a "driverless" way. Any ideas on how
[23:23] <PLTrace> to diagnose it?