[02:04] <Hellow> Hello everyone
[02:05] <Hellow> i made a sort of "stub" entry for the Home Folder with a "Needs Love" banner at the top here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HomeFolder. If you want to take a shot at completing it, feel free to do so.
[08:54] <meoblast001> hello
[08:55] <meoblast001> i made a screencast that is sort of a work in progress
[08:55] <meoblast001> i made part 1
[08:55] <meoblast001> but there are some problems
[08:55] <meoblast001> i dont know of any other recording programs that "just work" other than recordmydesktop
[08:56] <meoblast001> and that writes to ogg
[08:56] <meoblast001> nevertheless
[08:56] <meoblast001> i think it would be possible to convert this to other formats without much quality loss
[08:56] <meoblast001> i have a link to a low resolution copy of my video
[08:56] <meoblast001> http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/3/19/904700/Things_Not_to_Do_in_Ubuntu_Pt1.ogg
[08:57] <meoblast001> if you like it and want the higher resolution, contact me either in here or by my email
[08:57] <meoblast001><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:00] <meoblast001> i didnt do any beginning slides or exit slides, but if you want me to, i can add them
[09:10] <meoblast001> i'll be on tommorro if you need to contact me
[10:36] <jonasbjo1k> hello!
[11:34] <jonasbjo1k> anyone know how to get fop working in Ubuntu?
[11:39] <duncan-nz> fop = Fraternal Order of Police?
[11:39] <duncan-nz> (that means I have no idea)
[13:33] <wallan1> new sentence for https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UserDocumentation: 'If you would like to contribute to these pages, why not check out the WikiToDo and WikiTeam pages?'
[13:33] <wallan1> what do people think?
[13:35] <duncan-nz> well, I like the idea. More hands make easy work and all. Especially if we have a good set of templates and so on...
[13:37] <wallan1> a different phrasing: 'If you want to contribute to these pages, the WikiToDo and WikiTeam pages are a good place to start.'
[13:43] <duncan-nz> wallan1, do you have an opinion on how much SebPages should be used?
[13:43] <duncan-nz> on the wiki I mean.
[13:44] <wallan1> duncan-nz: SubPages, you mean?
[13:44] <duncan-nz> yes
[13:46] <wallan1> not really. one thing i have wondered about in the past is how discussions should be handled. should they always be on a subpage, and if so, what should they be called? /Talk? /Discussion?
[13:50] <duncan-nz> I like that - why didn't I think of that. I think we should just do that. Decide if it's /Talk (like on wikipedia) on /Discussion
[13:50] <wallan1> yeah, i think it's good to have a standard name
[13:57] <duncan-nz> I guess it's best if it's CamelCase, maybe PageTalk ?
[15:00] <wallan1> i think /discussion is maybe better than /talk - the latter seems a bit vague
[15:02] <duncan-nz> Not /PageDiscussion ? It'd be easier to type (yawn)
[15:02] <duncan-nz> ... yes talk is a bit vague.
[15:02] <duncan-nz> ... yes 'talk' is a bit vague.
[15:02] <wallan1> yeah, PageDiscussion sounds good
[15:04] <duncan-nz> But is it wise to start making subpages all over the place?
[15:04] <duncan-nz> that's the next issue.
[15:05] <duncan-nz> I like them and think it gives structure, but some do not.
[15:05] <Old_Soldier> duncan-nz: i think talk pages should be "tabbed" but not created until someone writes on them
[15:05] <Old_Soldier> just my 2 cents from working on other wikis in the past
[15:05] <duncan-nz> sure, that's easy to do
[15:06] <wallan1> it might not be very productive to discuss subpages in general - it's better to talk about specific pages or types of pages
[15:06] <duncan-nz> well, what about making subpages of /Applications then. that's what Allan and I are working on.
[15:07] <duncan-nz> what do you think are the issues with subpages Old_Soldier ?
[15:07] <duncan-nz> this is not a new issue, but I've never felt I've got a clear picture of why we don't use them on http://help.ubuntu.com/
[15:08] <Old_Soldier> genrally i think subpages are useful for team communication. I used them extensovely when I worked on the team wikis at Gameforge. but in a open wiki they also can become confusing and spam filled
[15:08] <Old_Soldier> ack i need coffee. too many typos there
[15:10] <Old_Soldier> is it a moin issue duncan, or just something that was decided upon by an admin in the past?
[15:10] <duncan-nz> I don't know. But I feel like each time I've tried to establish a page/subpage structure I get told ''that's not how we do things here''
[15:11] <duncan-nz> I might be wrong, we can just thrash out some guidelines now and try to implement them. This is in the context of this brand new project: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApplicationsDocumentationGuide
[15:12] <duncan-nz> (I love Wikibooks for structured content, because of it's inherent structure by the way)
[15:13] <wallan1> duncan-nz: what kind of content do you plan to put in that page?
[15:13] <duncan-nz> I think software documentation by it's nature has several structures to choose between. By repository, menu position, task to name a few.
[15:14] <duncan-nz> wallan1, which one?
[15:14] <wallan1> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApplicationsDocumentationGuide
[15:14] <Old_Soldier> i agree duncan. I'm not against subpages. "talk" and discussion' pages are really useful for collaboaration
[15:14] <duncan-nz> oh, sorry wrong link...
[15:14] <duncan-nz> I meant this project: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Applications/ProjectHome
[15:15] <duncan-nz> as for ApplicationsDocumentationGuide I thought it could have, well I'll paste from the page...

[15:15] <duncan-nz> This page will be an extension to WikiGuide specific to documenting applications. For now please follow the WikiGuide.
[15:15] <duncan-nz> There is a discussion started on making some application documentation templates, you'll find some specific ideas there on how to format new pages and improve existing ones.

[15:16] <wallan1> ok, we should link to the ApplicationsDocumentationGuide from the WikiGuide
[15:17] <duncan-nz> So template(s) for application documentation. If you look around now we have pages based on all kind of structure. "Apps I like", "Alternatives to...", "My uncle says ... is great" and so on.
[15:17] <duncan-nz> wallan1, but there nothing there yet.
[15:17] <duncan-nz> you decide.
[15:17] <wallan1> well, when there's something on there: ;)
[15:18] <duncan-nz> For example, all the pages on WikiGuide are SubPages
[15:19] <wallan1> yeah, i think that's appropriate use of subpages
[15:19] <duncan-nz> wallan1, you're completely right. we should scrap the page I made and make a section of the WikiGuide instead.
[15:19] <duncan-nz> So what about these:...
[15:20] <duncan-nz> * /Applications/RepoMain/Default
[15:20] <duncan-nz> * /Applications/RepoMain/SoftwareAll
[15:20] <duncan-nz> * /Applications/RepoMain/Internet/Default
[15:20] <duncan-nz> * /Applications/RepoMain/Internet/All
[15:20] <duncan-nz> * /Applications/RepoMain/Internet/Firefox
[15:21] <duncan-nz> * /Applications/RepoRestricted/SoftwareAll
[15:21] <duncan-nz> * /Applications/RepoRestricted/Graphic/XPdf (not sure that's in restricted but...)
[15:21] <wallan1> i'm not sure about using that model for individual application pages... firefox should be ~/Firefox, imo
[15:22] <duncan-nz> and so on.
[15:22] <wallan1> but i can see the value in having an applications guide structured in that way
[15:22] <wallan1> one question - how does this relate to how you define an application?
[15:22] <wallan1> for example - where would Firestarter go?
[15:23] <duncan-nz> For now I haven't tried to answer that. If one day everything which turns up in the Main Menu is documented then the question can be asked again. But I don't think there is a definative answer.
[15:23] <duncan-nz> I guess that's why Launchpad calls then projects.
[15:24] <duncan-nz> [then = them]
[15:24] <duncan-nz> Old_Soldier, ?
[15:42] <Old_Soldier> sup duncan-nz ? I was afk for a little while
[16:08] <duncan-nz> Old_Soldier, I was just wondering what you thought of our discussion on structure of subpages.
[16:09] <Old_Soldier> i think that the subpage hierarchy works well for organization. i like you used repo in the structure since apps change menus often
[16:11] <duncan-nz> would that be a useful way to organise documentation?
[16:12] <mpt> I have yet to meet anyone who actually wants "documentation" :-)
[16:13] <mpt> People want answers to their questions
[16:13] <Old_Soldier> lol that is si true mpt!
[16:13] <duncan-nz> hi matthew.
[16:14] <mpt> hello hello
[16:14] <duncan-nz> Well, if anyone can show me an organisational chart of questions we can use that...
[16:14] <Old_Soldier> duncan. wiki organization is always a bone of contnetion
[16:15] <mpt> duncan-nz, designing the chart is part of the challenge. Card-sorting is one way to do it.
[16:15] <duncan-nz> Old_Soldier, i know
[16:15] <Old_Soldier> contention. there are lots of arguments for different "flows"
[16:15] <mpt> Here's the organization that Microsoft uses: http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/
[16:16] <duncan-nz> I get worried if you quote microsoft on the issue of customer support.
[16:16] <duncan-nz> but i will look
[16:16] <mpt> And here's the organization that Apple uses: http://www.apple.com/support/leopard/
[16:17] <mpt> (ugh, I can hardly read that grey-on-black)
[16:17] <Old_Soldier> lol. actually though with all their faults. MS has good gui and help organzation
[16:18] <duncan-nz> I've never once solved a problem with windows by reading their documentation. I have though with Ubuntu.
[16:18] <mpt> And here's a gallery of nearly 700 help systems: http://www.g2meyer.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=2878
[16:18] <mpt> (those are locally-installed ones, though, not Web sites)
[16:19] <mpt> One method of deciding on categories for help pages is card sorting: http://www.infodesign.com.au/usabilityresources/design/cardsorting.asp
[16:20] <duncan-nz> I agree that some people want to solve a question. But when I a.) have a problem with a specific application or b.) want to just look around at what's available then: headings like "Why did my widget stop wizzing..." are not helpful
[16:20] <mpt> Right, so there are broad categories of help pages
[16:20] <mpt> * "I have problem X"
[16:20] <mpt> * "How do I do Y"
[16:21] <mpt> * "Give me a quick overview of feature Z" (less common)
[16:21] <duncan-nz> That would require a million clicks before I found out why the arrow to the right of the text field for VoIP phone numbers in evolution's contacts doesn't work.
[16:22] <mpt> sommer, search is also important.
[16:22] <mpt> erg
[16:22] <mpt> *So*, search is also important.
[16:22] <duncan-nz> For that type of question I want 'Internet' > 'Mail' > 'Contact'
[16:22] <mpt> And if searching for "voip arrow doesn't work" in Evolution's help doesn't return an appropriate page as the first result, report a bug that it should.
[16:23] <duncan-nz> (I have)
[16:23] <Old_Soldier> search is critical. google search is so much better than the wiki serach though :/
[16:23] <Old_Soldier> doc search seems much better over the past couple releases
[16:23] <duncan-nz> What about making more use of the MoinMoin Categories as 'tags'?
[16:24] <duncan-nz> Then I could better accept a flat wikipage structure. A CategoryMainRepo for example so I can see pages about software in Main.
[16:25] <duncan-nz> and CategoryMenuInternet for software found under the Internet part of the main menu.
[16:25] <duncan-nz> I think we might be finding a compromise which would solve the different ways of navigating.
[16:26] <duncan-nz> one like CategoryHowtoNetwork for network related pages
[16:26] <duncan-nz> is this making any sense?
[16:27] <Old_Soldier>  yeah it makes sense to me. I do see a potential issue  with that : category bloat
[16:27] <duncan-nz> (CategoryMainRepo should be CategoryRepoMain for alphabetisation)
[16:28] <duncan-nz> what is category bloat? how can that cause problems?
[16:29] <duncan-nz> every now and then there is a bit of duplication requiring cleanup - but the cleanup is easy to track because it's there's a category page for all the relevant pages.
[16:29] <Old_Soldier> too many categories means more chance of mis filing and creates more load on the server come search time
[16:29] <duncan-nz> mis filing! at the moment there is _no_ filing!
[16:30] <duncan-nz> well, most pages outside the doc tem are not filed
[16:32] <Old_Soldier> yeah the guys from the Bt have been working hard at trying to fix that but it is difficult
[16:32] <duncan-nz> Bt?
[16:32] <Old_Soldier> beginner team
[16:33] <Old_Soldier> from the forums. a bunch have joined the doc team and wiki teams and have been working pretty hard
[16:33] <duncan-nz> The biggest help would be a default new page template with some useful comments on. We can only point people in the right direction.
[16:33] <duncan-nz> do they have a project page or something similar?
[16:34] <Old_Soldier> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Beginners/Development
[16:34] <Old_Soldier> is where we have been staging our efforts
[16:35] <duncan-nz> why the control "Here is where you can "lay claim" to wiki pages that you want to update or rewrite. Claimed pages will not be touched by other BT members unless the owner gives permission (say, in IRC)."
[16:35] <duncan-nz> would wikipedia have worked with that?
[16:35] <duncan-nz> sorry
[16:45] <Old_Soldier> duncan it saves  duplicated effort among the team. its an efficiency thing
[16:45] <duncan-nz> sure, but why a list and no mention on the actual page concerned?
[16:46] <duncan-nz> just a thought, that's why I've started adding a heading at the end for 'page maintainers'
[16:46] <duncan-nz> that's got me in touch with others who just happen by and want to do something on that page.
[16:47] <duncan-nz> an inclusive system instead of a membership based system if you will
[16:47] <Old_Soldier> mostly the pages we are fixing are existing pages.
[16:47] <Old_Soldier> page maintainers are great... if the actually maintain the page
[16:47] <Old_Soldier> they
[16:47] <duncan-nz> if not they'll soon get tired of being asked about the page...
[16:47] <duncan-nz> ... and remove their name
[16:48] <Old_Soldier> we try to be informal and not give the impression of being elitists lol
[16:48] <Old_Soldier> I guess thats a habit from working the forums
[16:48] <duncan-nz> so change it to = Loving this page = and then their WikiNames...
[16:49] <duncan-nz> I've made these headers: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Software/ProjectHome#Page%20banners
[16:49] <duncan-nz> maybe there's something useful in that idea?
[16:49] <Old_Soldier> mostly we are trying to work within the existing framework and not ruffle feathers. accomplishing change in an established organization is sometimes a long process
[16:50] <duncan-nz> nothing original, the idea is direct from Wikipedia.
[16:51] <Old_Soldier> hmm i think phil has some banners somewhere too. i remember a discussion on them last month
[16:51] <duncan-nz> have you not noticed how few people are actually subscribed to the pages you work on? It's easy to see which pages are being maintained and which are unloved.
[16:56] <Old_Soldier> problem being duncan-nz  is that people would rather reinvent the wheel instead of fixing a page. That and there are a lot of "one hit wonders"
[16:57] <duncan-nz> can you be more specific?
[16:57] <Old_Soldier> there has been so little long term maintenance on the wiki due to manpower shortages.
[16:57] <duncan-nz> Like that. Ok
[16:58] <Old_Soldier> lots of people just toss up a page without even checking to see if there is a page up on the topic
[16:58] <duncan-nz> not least because there is no structure to find out if ther is a page on that subject!
[16:58] <duncan-nz> ... that's what I'm on about.
[16:59] <duncan-nz> and I don't know why we're using MoinMoin...
[17:00] <Old_Soldier> i think moin isn't necessarily the best tool but its what we have
[17:01] <Old_Soldier> yeah duncan, i'm with you. Moin isn't as well developed as other wikis and that doesn't help when people are trying to add pages
[17:02] <Old_Soldier> honestly i'm on the fence, i'm almost at a point where i think that posting should be restricted. I know that defeats the whole purpose of community docs, but a temporary ban on posting by the general public would be good if we had a plan to fix the issues and were dedicated to implement the changes
[17:06] <duncan-nz> Surely the devs can implement a default template which includes help. And we need to write a macro which makes a list of new pages.
[17:09] <Old_Soldier> +1 for macros
[17:09] <Old_Soldier> and a default template for new pages would help. i think there are a couple templates out there already, but they aren't easily found
[17:12] <duncan-nz> they're not applied by default.
[17:12] <duncan-nz> see CategoryTemplate
[17:23] <Old_Soldier> i can kind of nderstand why they arent applied by default but starting a new page should be able to give you a choice of templates? well perhaps that hack would be inelegant or even not possible
[17:24] <Old_Soldier> perhaps a default page should have a link to the templares and intructions to copy and paste. approved tempaltes could be stored as imuttable pages
[17:25] <duncan-nz> I always get presented with a choice of templates, but the templates are not very relevant.
[17:33] <duncan-nz> do you know how to suppress wikimarkup?
[17:37] <Old_Soldier> no duncan i don't recall offhand how to do it, and a cursory search isn't helping. i'll google it
[17:38] <duncan-nz> found it `code to suppress`
[17:38] <duncan-nz> was not easy to find. That was my third attempt.
[17:38] <Old_Soldier> ah
[17:38] <Old_Soldier> yeah the search isnt that great in moinmoin
[18:07] <agy> Hello All - I need to perform some maintenance on the help.ubuntu.com wiki. This should only take about 15 minutes and the wiki will be placed in read-only mode for this period. The maintenance should modify any pages with doubled up 'Contents' headers in the Table of Contents and should clean up some of the code blocks to render correctly. I plan to start at 18h10 BST.
[18:10] <agy> I'm placing the help.ubuntu.com wiki in read-only mode now.
[18:12] <agy> Maintenance is complete - wiki is now read-write
[18:31] <sahil_> i was just wondering what the progress on the spanish desktop guide is
[18:33] <duncan-nz> have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareRepoDefault and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Software while I break for dinner... please review and comment.
[22:13] <wallan1> duncan-nz: ping
[22:13] <duncan-nz> hi allan
[22:13] <duncan-nz> I've been busy...
[22:14] <wallan1> hey duncan! i can see!
[22:15] <wallan1> so you've removed the applications page?
[22:24] <duncan-nz> well, emptied it. All the http://help.ubuntu.com/ and local docs use the term 'software'.
[22:25] <duncan-nz> and moved the alphabetic list of software to it's own page to make huc/community/Software free
[22:25] <duncan-nz> it has a link doesn't it?
[22:26] <wallan1> what, the alphabetical list?
[22:26] <wallan1> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareAlphabeticIndex
[22:26] <duncan-nz> yes
[22:26] <duncan-nz> it was on the [[Software]] page
[22:27] <wallan1> yeah
[22:28] <wallan1> what's happened to the old sound & video page?
[22:28] <duncan-nz> be blunt if you disagree with something I've done. It's quicker than trying to say it nicely.
[22:29] <wallan1> i'm just trying to get my head around it ;)
[22:29] <wallan1> i haven't made my mind up, to be honest
[22:29] <duncan-nz> don't know. I'll look...
[22:29] <wallan1> there are definitely things i would like to rephrase, but that's just a matter of detail
[22:30] <duncan-nz> try this: Software > Browse by menu entry > Applications > Sound & Video
[22:31] <wallan1> but wasn't there a lot more material on the sound & video page?
[22:31] <duncan-nz> Feel free to change the phrasing where you want.
[22:31] <duncan-nz> Sorry, but I don't remember. There's another Sound & Video page, wait a mo...
[22:31] <wallan1> sure, i just want to make my mind up about structural issues first
[22:32] <duncan-nz> you mean this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications
[22:32] <wallan1> yes!
[22:33] <wallan1> does that have a place in the new schema?
[22:34] <duncan-nz> hey, there was a link to that page you were looking for in the Introduction of the sound and video page!
[22:35] <duncan-nz> It's currently under 'See also' as well.
[22:35] <wallan1> cool - that page has a lot of good material on it
[22:35] <duncan-nz> yes
[22:42] <wallan1> duncan-nz: i'
[22:43] <duncan-nz> hi
[22:43] <wallan1> sorry about that! i was just writing that i'll have a hack at some of this, if that's ok
[22:43] <duncan-nz> sure.
[22:43] <duncan-nz> A hack at what?
[22:43] <wallan1> i like some of the changes... not so keen on others though
[22:43] <duncan-nz> of right. go for it.
[22:44] <duncan-nz> well, I'm off to bed soon anyway... !
[22:44] <duncan-nz> which changes don't you like?
[22:44] <wallan1> i'm not keen on browsing by repository
[22:44] <duncan-nz> let me know as you clarify what it is you dislike about them
[22:44] <duncan-nz> ...neither am I. But using categories it's not hard to do.
[22:45] <wallan1> a section on default applications, yes, but i don't think it's a good idea to differentiate between universe and multiverse
[22:45] <wallan1> also, 'software' is awefully vague as a heading
[22:46] <wallan1> the whole of ubuntu is software!
[22:46] <wallan1> to me, it doesn't really mean anything
[22:47] <duncan-nz> well, I didn't choose the word. Ubuntu-doc did.
[22:47] <duncan-nz> ... and the documentation is for the whole of ubuntu...
[22:48] <wallan1> but they don't use it as a heading - they use it within specific sentences where it has meaning
[22:48] <wallan1> and they do use applications as well
[22:52] <duncan-nz> can you give me an example?
[22:53] <wallan1> most of the official documentation pages use the word applications
[22:56] <wallan1> what does a link called software say? what's the idea that it's communicating? software is a generic term, whereas application refers to discrete pieces of software with their own identities
[22:58] <wallan1> i know when i've used these pages in the past, the applications link has always been the one that's jumped out
[23:01] <duncan-nz> a.) https://help.ubuntu.com/ has "Adding and Removing Software"
[23:01] <duncan-nz> b.) ... which has "Add/Remove Applications" ...
[23:01] <duncan-nz> and "Installing packages without an Internet connection"
[23:01] <duncan-nz> and Synaptic Package Manager...
[23:02] <duncan-nz> So as far as I can see there is no clean answer that I can see.
[23:02] <duncan-nz> The terminology is a mess.
[23:02] <duncan-nz> but that not today's probelm in my mind.
[23:03] <wallan1> of course, it's all about the semantics - but it's not about what we think, it's about the words that will be meaningful to the users of the wiki
[23:03] <duncan-nz> You're very welcome to to find a pattern we can apply, I'd be happy to apply it.
[23:03] <wallan1> applications: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/internet/C/index.html, https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/musicvideophotos/C/index.html
[23:04] <duncan-nz> and _we_ know what software _and_ application means. Auntie Martha has only ever heard of these two things called 'Software' and 'Hardware'
[23:05] <duncan-nz> I'm not disagreeing with you allan. I'm just saying that I don't have the enrgy to try and find a symantic pattern to apply which lees experienced users will understand. If someone else will I'll be happy to help apply it.
[23:11] <duncan-nz> wallan1, that's me for tonight. I'll get a flood of emails on what you've changed when I get on in the morning.
[23:11] <duncan-nz> Nice working with you my friend. Good to work with people who do as much as they talk.


[21:07] <mcoram> Can anyone point me to recommended hardware for ubuntu-arm in the smartbook form factor?
[21:09] <mcoram> Sorry. found the devicesupport page. thanks.
[23:47] <wavierconch> Hi


[00:02] <recon_lap> Arizona: feck, there are a lot of different ways to do this http://askubuntu.com/questions/52963/how-do-i-set-windows-to-boot-as-the-default-in-the-boot-loader/162772#162772
[00:04] <Arizona> recon_lap, what is the easiest way for a beginner ?
[00:04] <Arizona> I wouldn't really know :P
[00:06] <marcuspbaird> are the add drivers for nivida already installed
[00:09] <recon_lap> Arizona: I like the look of post 18.
[00:09] <recon_lap> marcuspbaird: add drivers?
[00:09] <Arizona> alright
[00:09] <Arizona> thank you
[00:09] <Arizona> :)
[00:12] <Arizona> I think I did it recon_lap
[00:12] <Arizona> I'm about to check
[00:13] <recon_lap> :)
[00:16] <Copernicus2K> how can i check what gpu driver i am using? if i am using nouveau or nvidia?
[00:17] <Copernicus2K> ?
[00:17] <Copernicus2K> \
[00:17] <well_laid_lawn> Copernicus2K: you can check the X log or
[00:18] <well_laid_lawn> lsmod
[00:18] <recon_lap> Copernicus2K: not sure of this , but try lshw -C display
[00:18] <recon_lap>
[00:19] <Copernicus2K> Random832, driver nvidia gg
[00:19] <Copernicus2K> recon_lap,
[00:19] <Copernicus2K> ty
[00:22] <Arizona> uhm
[00:22] <Arizona> recon_lap,
[00:22] <Arizona> I tried
[00:22] <Arizona> the one using terminal
[00:22] <Arizona> and it didnt work
[00:23] <Arizona> I did gksu gedit /etc/default/grub
[00:23] <Arizona> but nothing happend
[00:23] <Arizona> no entry showed called GRUB_DEFAULT=0
[00:24] <recon_lap> Arizona: give me a second
[00:24] <Arizona> alright
[00:26] <recon_lap> Arizona:sry, they keep changing grub recently, think you'll need to find someone who's more upto date  than me
[00:26] <Arizona> i dont really know anyone here
[00:26] <Arizona> :-(
[00:27] <nyRednek> grub does change too fast
[00:27] <recon_lap> Arizona: well, I'm afraid i'll break it :)
[00:27] <Arizona> does anyone here know about grub?
[00:27] <Arizona> :S
[00:30] <recon_lap> Arizona: have a look at /etc/default/grub
[00:30] <Arizona> recon_lap, hm?
[00:30] <Arizona> I dont know what you mean
[00:30] <Arizona> Like, study about it? lol
[00:31] <recon_lap> Arizona: never mind, getting a bit confused myself :)
[00:31] <recon_lap> Arizona: what version you installed
[00:32] <Arizona> recon_lap, of
[00:32] <Arizona> xubuntu?
[00:32] <Arizona> the latest
[00:32] <Arizona> i assume
[00:32] <well_laid_lawn> !grub
[00:32] <recon_lap> yep xubuntu , the latest is  12.10 , released about 5 days ago
[00:33] <Arizona> im p sure
[00:33] <Arizona> i got 12.10
[00:33] <Diego> Hello, I have this problem when trying to access partitions
[00:34] <Diego> Adding read ACL for uid 1000 to `/media/diego' failed: Operation not supported.
[00:34] <Arizona> yes
[00:34] <Arizona> I got 12.10 recon_lap
[00:34] <Arizona> :P
[00:34] <recon_lap> Arizona: I'm still on 12.04, so you really need someone more uptodate
[00:34] <Diego> and in Windows partitions doesn't show anymore
[00:34] <recon_lap> Arizona: you could just add the line and give it a try, probably work, but might not
[00:34] <Arizona> I did add the line
[00:34] <Arizona> :(
[00:35] <Arizona> It didnt work
[00:35] <recon_lap> Arizona: you could ask on the ubuntu channel , there are a lot more people there and grub will be the same
[00:41] <Arizona> recon_lap, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Setup#Configuring_GRUB_2
[00:41] <Arizona> they gave me this
[00:41] <Arizona> but its confusing to me
[00:41] <Arizona> :s
[00:42] <Diego> Anyone knows about this mount error? Adding read ACL for uid 1000 to `/media/diego' failed: Operation not supported.
[00:43] <recon_lap> Arizona: you did do sudo grub-update after you added the line to the grub file?
[00:44] <Arizona> recon_lap,
[00:44] <Arizona> yes
[00:44] <Arizona> I did
[00:44] <Arizona> gksu gedit /etc/default/grub
[00:44] <Arizona> then
[00:44] <Arizona> GRUB_DEFAULT="win7 paste here"
[00:44] <Arizona> then did
[00:44] <Arizona> sudo update-grub
[00:45] <recon_lap> Arizona: I hope you changed "win7 paste here" to the actual name of your windows install
[00:45] <Arizona> i did lol
[00:45] <Arizona> :P
[00:45] <recon_lap> pate the exact line you added
[00:48] <Arizona> GRUB_DEFAULT="Windows 7 (loader) (on /dev/sda2)"
[00:50] <recon_lap> Arizona: sry, but I down to filing a bug report now :)
[00:53] <Raytray> Skiming above, an easy wayt o change the grub default wuld be to install grub-customizer
[00:54] <Raytray> You can change backgrounds and such with it Arizona
[00:55] <Raytray> Diego, does this help? http://askubuntu.com/questions/202560/cant-mount-any-partition-due-to-usb-adding-read-acl-for-uid-1000-to-media-e
[00:55] <Arizona> Raytray, I'll look into it :-)
[01:17] <Arizona> b
[02:59] <puto> hm, does anyone know where the XFCE settings are stored?
[02:59] <puto> like, panel layouts and the like
[02:59] <puto> I have a rather different layout in my main pc and I'd like to copy it over to my laptop without having to redo it all from scratch
[03:12] <Raytray> puto, try looking into ~/.config/xfce4/panel
[03:12] <puto> okay, thanks
[03:12] <Raytray> or just the .config/xfce4
[03:13] <Raytray> panel may just contain the separate plugin configurations, not entirely sure.
[05:33] <ceria> hello is anybody here?
[05:33] <ceria> i'm having a bug issue on xfdesktop
[05:33] <ceria> with xubuntu 12.10
[05:36] <ceria> hi
[05:48] <Raytray> ceria, hi.
[05:48] <well_laid_lawn> ceria: what's the issue ?
[05:50] <ceria> oh hellop
[05:50] <ceria> sorry
[05:50] <ceria> was away for a second
[05:51] <ceria> when xfdesktop is placed in the mode where it lists minimized programs
[05:51] <ceria> and i move a panel ,
[05:51] <ceria> it forces xfdesktop to redraw or something, and sometimes it crashes completely
[05:51] <ceria> it says it gives a segfault
[05:51] <ceria> in libx11
[05:52] <ceria> error 45
[05:52] <ceria> error 4 sorry
[05:54] <ceria>  segfault at 968 ip 00007fc90af09f8a sp 00007fff876b08e0 error 4 in libX11.so.6.3.0
[05:55] <Raytray> I would look into updating drivers/etc if not done so already.
[06:06] <ceria> what do you mean...
[06:06] <ceria> my video card driver is the current-updates
[06:07] <ceria> its a fresh install
[06:07] <ceria> of the new 12.10
[06:07] <ceria> i reinstalled it on a clean partition and still got the same results
[06:08] <ceria> its weird though... it only happens when the desktop is showing minimized programs, it won't do it when its just showing desktop folder files
[08:04] <aziz> can someone point me to a guide where I can enable the GUI buttons for hibernation? pm-hibernate works for me...
[08:05] <baizon> aziz: http://askubuntu.com/questions/94754/how-to-enable-hibernation
[08:06] <aziz> babaei: thanks
[08:06] <aziz> i mean, baizon: thanks :D
[08:07] <baizon> np
[09:01] <kal_> hi
[09:22] <Noskcaj> kal_: HEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[09:23] <kal_> just wanted some help from the community here
[09:23] <Unit193> !ask
[09:25] <Noskcaj> then !patience
[09:26] <Noskcaj> ubottu: why u no work?
[09:26] <Noskcaj> ubottu amkes me laugh
[09:26] <Noskcaj> *makes
[09:26] <Noskcaj> LOL
[09:26] <Noskcaj> !patience
[09:27] <Unit193> Works fine.
[09:29] <kal_> Im searching for a subject for my thesis, I've been using linux 4-5 years, but Im reading stuff, and start to know more things for the past month. I would love to try gui programming or something like that, so If u can give me any ideas for a thesis, I would be thankfull
[09:29] <kal_> or at least point out a good book or something, so I know which direction to follow
[09:31] <Noskcaj> kal_:you could try joining a dev team if you want to make things
[09:31] <TheSheep> !development | kal_
[11:24] <xrs1> The fix doesn't fix it.     https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-lowlatency/+bug/1068660
[13:09] <xubuntu249> Hi all
[13:10] <xubuntu249> am newbie for linux and to day i try install Xubuntu on labtop
[13:11] <xubuntu249> i got problem with WiFi (chip Ateros AR9X)
[13:11] <xubuntu249> some body know this issue
[13:11] <MrHotsauce> what kind of issue?
[13:12] <xubuntu249> Wifi not stable ...cannot access internet
[13:12] <xubuntu249> but for Ubuntu 11.04 working fine
[13:14] <MrHotsauce> maybe try this?
[13:14] <MrHotsauce> http://askubuntu.com/questions/202717/internet-issues-after-upgrading-to-ubuntu-12-10
[13:18] <xubuntu249> thank mr i going try..
[13:33] <Diego> hello, I have problems with partitions
[13:33] <Diego> and I think I installed xubuntu in a bad way
[13:34] <Diego> So, I want to uninstall it and see if I can do it better
[13:34] <Diego> how do I uninstall it?
[13:34] <Diego> I have a windows7 partition
[13:36] <Diego> any help?
[13:36] <recon_lap> Diego: deleting the partition xubuntu is on tends to work
[13:37] <Diego> ok, thanks
[13:37] <Diego> let's see
[13:37] <Diego> bye
[14:29] <xubuntu498> hi
[14:30] <xubuntu498> I need a rootfs template
[14:30] <xubuntu498> how can get it?
[14:30] <xubuntu498> I want to use is for an ARM architecture
[14:31] <xubuntu498> ARM11 (s3c6410 from sumsung)
[14:33] <holstein> all i can offer is http://www.ubuntu.com/download/arm xubuntu498
[14:34] <Pici> !arm
[14:59] <xuser1> hi
[15:01] <recon_lap> !hi | xuser1
[15:02] <xuser1> http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs-Xubuntu/12.10/release/      why xubuntu-12.10-desktop-i386.iso is 693MB and xubuntu-12.10-desktop-i386.iso.torrent is 727MB ?
[15:05] <xuser1> im back
[15:05] <recon_lap> I have no idea
[15:07] <xuser1> is any diference between xubuntu iso image and torrent?
[15:07] <recon_lap> maybe torrent has check bits and stuff that makes it larger, and the torrent files size includes these
[15:08] <recon_lap> xuser1: short answer is no, I assume that the sizes listed are actual bits downloaded and the .iso files are exactly the same
[15:09] <holstein> xuser1: there shoudnt be... maybe they are labeled wrong, or just not correct.. i typically just get the iso's from the main site
[15:09] <xuser1> ok
[15:09] <xuser1> i will download the iso image from site
[15:10] <recon_lap> xuser1: and the md5sums are there so you can make sure you're getting the correct iso file with no modifications
[15:11] <holstein> recon_lap: i should have !md5'd.. but i thought i had.. that was another channel... oh well
[17:18] <apm1> please check this wheezy sources.list and verify  http://paste.debian.net/hidden/105cf336/
[17:18] <apm1> oops wrong channel :p
[17:39] <xubuntu065> I lost the bottom application bar. How can I get it back?
[17:39] <holstein> xubuntu065: the dock-ish panel?.. its just a panel you can add back... you can look at the live CD for inspiration, or make a new user and look there
[17:39] <apm1> will doing a "chmod /path/to/script" make my script executable ?
[17:40] <uzver> apm1, chmod +x script.sh
[17:41] <apm1> uzver, thanks man :)
[17:41] <uzver> apm1, UW
[17:44] <WalterN> chmod is so extremely useful
[17:44] <uzver> where i  can get wallpapers with xfce mice?:)
[17:45] <uzver> *minimalistic
[17:45] <holstein> i see quite a few in a google image search of "xubuntu wallpaper".. does that work for you uzver ?
[17:47] <uzver> holstein, there a few would be nice, thx:)
[17:49] <uzver> does anybody know nice site with inkscape tutorials?
[17:50] <holstein> uzver: i like the tutorials in the menu..
[17:51] <holstein> under the "help" menu.. "tutorials".. in the inkscape program itself uzver
[17:51] <uzver> holstein, omg)
[17:53] <WalterN> uzver: #inkscape also, the help menu in inkscape is actually really useful
[17:53] <uzver> holstein, WalterN , thx)
[17:54] <WalterN> I really enjoy making things in inkscape :3
[17:54] <holstein> sure.. enjoy!.. thanks the inkscape team! i wish all software could have that kind of workflow in the "help" section
[17:55] <WalterN> really looking forward to the inkscape 0.49 release
[17:59] <apm1> uzver, now suppose i edit my previously written and made executable script , do i have to again run " chmod +x script.sh" ?
[18:00] <apm1> ^to apply the changes , or will only editing take care of it ?
[18:00] <uzver> apm1, after editing - no
[18:01] <apm1> uzver, are these steps correct ?
[18:01] <apm1> 1) write commands to be executed in script.sh
[18:01] <apm1> 2) chmod +x script.sh
[18:02] <apm1> 3)edit script.sh in a text editor and add more commands
[18:02] <apm1> 4) run chmod +x script.sh again
[18:02] <apm1> i did these steps , did i screw up ?
[18:02] <uzver> double chmod +x not needed
[18:03] <uzver> but never mind
[18:03] <apm1> but double won't cause problems ?
[18:03] <uzver> no)
[18:03] <apm1> ok thanks :)
[18:03] <WalterN> uzver: what fun thing are you going to make with inkscape?
[18:05] <uzver> WalterN, i'm newbie, some custom icons, at now minimal wallpaper with xfce mouse
[18:05] <WalterN> is there an SVG of the xfce mouse available?
[18:06] <apm1> brb , gotta reboot
[18:09] <WalterN> there is a gal I've recently started playing dungeons and dragons with that is really good at quick sketches... I vectored one of her sketches.. its kinda awesome
[18:10] <uzver> WalterN, http://goo.gl/z6Xxc i use this
[18:10] <GridCube> !ot | WalterN
[18:11] <GridCube> uzver ^ this also applies to you :)
[18:11] <uzver> !help
[18:11] <uzver> GridCube, ok, thx
[18:11] <GridCube> :)
[19:49] <joeeeee> hey may i have help please
[19:49] <holstein> !ask
[19:50] <joeeeee> i got the new version of xubuntu but now sound in speakers it's work fine with headphone
[19:50] <holstein> joeeeee: i would install pavucontrol and check there.. i would run "alsamixer" in the terminal and trust no labels.. and tweak everything there
[19:51] <holstein> !sound
[19:51] <joeeeee> sound works fine with headphone port
[19:52] <joeeeee> the issue is speakers port
[19:53] <Wizard> Have you checked what holstein gave you? :)
[19:53] <holstein> joeeeee: i have found that on a few machine, i found a fader in "alsamixer" that controlled the speakers independent of the headphones.. i have also seen these separated on pavucontrol
[19:54] <holstein> joeeeee: if you feel it is a hardware support issue, you might consider trying a different kernel or alsa version.. personally, i would just run the 12.04 LTS version
[19:54] <joeeeee> it was work fine on 10.4
[19:55] <joeeeee> 12.4*
[19:55] <holstein> joeeeee: correct.. so we can assume a kernel upgrade or alsa upgrade is breaking functionality, or there is something in the settings somewhere that you havent found yet
[19:56] <holstein> i typically open the terminal and type "alsamixer" and tweak everything there... i also would have no issues runing 12.04 instead of 12.10
[19:57] <joeeeee> i cheek d alsamixer
[19:57] <holstein> joeeeee: and pavucontrol?
[19:57] <joeeeee> yes
[19:57] <recon_lap> I had interesting behavior with sound on a laptop, if i boot with headphone in the speakers would not work, but if i booted without earphones they worked, but would not shut off when I plugged in earphones
[19:58] <holstein> joeeeee: ok.. sounds like you have a hardware support issue with alsa or the kernel... i would look for a bug report and consider a workaround temporarily or go back to 12.04
[19:58] <joeeeee> ok thnx
[19:59] <holstein> i would run "aplay -l" in the terminal and use that output to search for a bug
[20:33] <nantou> I can safely extract 50 part.rar files with archive manager and it will safely bind the parts together, am i wrong?
[20:34] <recon_lap> nantou: dont know about that, this somthing you downloading?
[20:35] <nantou> yes, for what I recall from other experiences, I think it did the thing, but I dont remember what did I download that last time...
[20:47] <nantou> plus, given that my HDD is full, im doing it in an external HDD USB2, is that going to lengthen the process?
[20:55] <recon_lap> nantou: well usb is a narrower pipe than your HDD has to use
[21:08] <nantou> guess Ill have to upgrade to usb3
[21:09] <nantou> o, btw, to get USB 3 I have to change... what? port unit or something?
[21:09] <recon_lap> nantou: motherboard I would assume
[21:09] <recon_lap> nantou: maybe there are usb3 cards
[21:10] <nantou> I have 4 HDD inside 4 boxes, besides the MOBO Id have to get new boxes, but no New SATA HDD...
[21:10] <nantou> correct?
[21:11] <nantou> I mean, boxes that support USB3, the SATA drive has nothing to do with it
[21:20] <nantou> can I damage a file by extracting it?
[23:04] <xrs1> i have an evo n610c. when i unplug it from power source the LCD dims 20% (all ubuntu 12.04.1 & 12.10). I have adjusted the power management settings in every way I can see to set it in the settings manager. Nothing about power management in the BIOS. is there anything I can do to get it to stop dimming when I unplug it from the wall?
[23:24] <jjamez> I need help with the menu. there is a folder that I cannot remove.


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[01:44] <rnetocombr> Somebody has news about bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1532226 ? It is fixed for tomorrow ? Devs need help testing ?
[05:25] <cpaelzer> good morning
[05:25] <alkisg> Good morning
[05:36] <Unit193> alkisg: So what'd you end up doing for firefox addons?
[05:36] <alkisg> Unit193: I packaged the .xpi myself, for adblock plus
[05:37] <alkisg> So now it's signed and works fine, but it's against the debian's desires about compiling everything from source, so it's not a solution that can be applied there
[05:37] <Unit193> So signed xpi "binary" blob?
[05:37] <Unit193> Ah, yep.
[05:39] <alkisg> At what time is Xenial going to be released today?
[05:39] <alkisg> (Mate, specifically...)
[05:44] <nhaines> alkisg: there is no set time of release.
[05:45] <alkisg> Thanks :)
[05:47] <cpaelzer> Hi, it might just be that this is my first release that I experience internally, but is there something smarter to get around "ubuntu-distro-info: Distribution data outdated" until it is updated than
[05:47] <cpaelzer> echo "16.10,Yummy Yggdrasil,yummy,2016-04-21,2016-10-18,2017-07-18" >> /usr/share/distro-info/ubuntu.csv
[05:48] <cpaelzer> since this is a public channel, I juts made something up with Y's in it - no real codenames
[05:49] <cpaelzer> well even then it surely won't find a yumma
[05:49] <cpaelzer> yummy, so that will only make ubuntu-distro-info happy, but not work at any later stages
[05:51] <cpaelzer> the following somewhat works for me - for now "16.10,Y not here Yet,xenial,2016-04-21,2016-10-18,2017-07-18"
[05:51] <cpaelzer> please let me know if there are better ways
[06:50] <pitti> Good morning
[07:01] <ottohak> \join #xubuntu
[07:54] <darkxst> where does the grub config come from?
[07:54] <darkxst> bug 1572874
[08:39] <alkisg> darkxst: it comes from /etc/default/grub, GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT
[08:43] <darkxst> alkisg, right, what I mean is what sets the config, that is not just some static file installed by grub
[08:44] <alkisg> darkxst: grub postinst uses /usr/share/grub/default/grub as a template to set that file
[09:23] <darkxst> alkisg, oh I see, trusty never specified "splash"
[09:23] <darkxst> and I guess it doesnt get merged in on upgrade
[09:24] <pitti> indeed, the default changed in xenial during the merge
[09:24] <pitti> didrocks: ^ (right?)
[09:24] <pitti> so this sounds worth a plymouth SRU that adds the flag on upgrade
[09:24] <yeehi> At what time today will the 16.04 final release be made available?
[09:24] <pitti> darkxst: mind filing a bug?
[09:25] <pitti> yeehi: 10 minutes later for everyone who asks :)
[09:25] <darkxst> pitti, already did
[09:25] <yeehi> haha! Thank you pitti!
[09:25] <pitti> darkxst: ah, sorry, can't read 5 lines of scrollback
[09:26] <pitti> darkxst: bug updated
[09:30] <darkxst> pitti, what about GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX? none of those exist on a clean xenial install
[09:30] <darkxst> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="find_preseed=/preseed.cfg auto noprompt priority=critical locale=en_US"
[09:31] <pitti> that looks like a grub line from a live system or so, not from an install
[09:31] <darkxst> it was a 14.04.4 install
[09:32] <alkisg> He might have pressed f6 while installing, and inserted a --- somewhere in the cmdline, so then ubiquity copied them to the installed system
[09:32] <darkxst> alkisg, no, I didnt touch f6
[09:33] <alkisg> darkxst: maybe you installed via usb, made by some tool that inserted that --- ?
[09:34] <darkxst> it was an ISO Attached to vmware, and pretty certain that was just installed through the usual greeter
[09:35] <pitti> darkxst: hm, that looks like a very strange command line then; preseed? auto?
[09:35] <alkisg> I think vmware has some wizard for installing OSes, maybe that was the source of that strange cmdline?
[09:35] <pitti> ah, that could be
[09:36] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, the default changed for this
[09:46] <darkxst> in that case maybe vmware is also messing with the _DEFAULT value
[10:36] <hikiko> hello
[10:37] <rbasak> o/
[10:37] <hikiko> is this the right channel to ask some questions on the SRU process? :)
[10:37] <hikiko> hi rbasak :D
[10:37] <rbasak> I think it's the most appropriate place given your question, yes :)
[10:38] <hikiko> well, I'm trying (for the 1st time) to SRU a change in compiz
[10:38] <rbasak> Could you please ask your question again to give others context? Then others can help you too.
[10:38] <hikiko> I found these instructions:
[10:38] <hikiko> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[10:38] <hikiko> and I'm trying to follow the steps
[10:39] <hikiko> basically I want to SRU the change on trusty
[10:40] <hikiko> so I've downloaded the orig.tar.gz from here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/1:<IP_ADDRESS>+14.04.20150313-0ubuntu1
[10:40] <hikiko> and I applied the change with quilt following these instructions:
[10:40] <hikiko> http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/patches-to-packages.html
[10:41] <rbasak> A source package actually consists (usually) of three files. You want them all, and then you can use tooling that's designed to work with them.
[10:41] <hikiko> I didn't edit/change anything else except of the code
[10:41] <rbasak> I suggest you use "pull-lp-source compiz trusty" to download the source package files for compiz that's current on trusty. The tool will also unpack the source tree for you.
[10:41] <hikiko> so I have to apply the changes to every one?
[10:42] <rbasak> The tooling takes care of all of this for you. Really your change will only go in the debian tarball and regenerate your dsc for you. The orig file is never supposed to change for a given upstream version.
[10:43] <rbasak> Then add the quilt patch to the source tree that pull-lp-source unpacks for you.
[10:43] <rbasak> Use the "dch" tool to add the changelog entry, or edit debian/changelog directly if you wish.
[10:45] <hikiko> alright :) thank you rbasak, I'm going to start the process from the beginning, I'll ping you again if I have any problems...:D (thanks!)
[10:45] <rbasak> No problem. Thank you for spending your time helping to make Ubuntu better!
[10:52] <mwhudson> today i appeared to discover that quilt chokes completely on files with spaces in their name, does that sound right?
[11:16] <mapreri> are we without name for the next release also this time?  so just about everything will be again blocked for days until mark announces the name?
[11:16] <mapreri> or maybe i'm just worrying for nothing.
[11:18] <nhaines> mapreri: don't be silly... it's xenial+1!
[11:19] <mapreri> heh
[11:28] <rbasak> Come up with a comedy name and use that instead.
[11:29] <rbasak> "Yakkety Yak"
[11:30] <Odd_Bloke> Yoloing Youngster
[11:31] <mapreri> we should be able to upload stuff to the 'devel' suite :)
[11:31] <nhaines> Sure, and 'grumpy' was going to be a perpetual 'devel' channel.  :)
[11:32] <mapreri> #ubuntu-grumpy
[11:32] <rbasak> Grumpty Gruffalo
[11:32] <rbasak> Grumpy
[11:38] <cjwatson> All this would be a lot easier (though still not trivial!) if the publisher were diskless, but that'll take a while.
[11:38] <cjwatson> At least some of the problems are because casual distroseries name changes have quite a lot of implications for what gets slapped on disk.
[11:39] <wgrant> It would still be difficult.
[11:39] <wgrant> The social solution is much easier than the technical one :)
[11:39] <cjwatson> Certainly.
[11:39] <wgrant> I sadly can't harrass Mark in person this year.
[12:03] <loganaden> hoi
[12:04] <loganaden> we have a patch for nagios-plugins for 15.10, that removes support for sslv3 when openssl is compiled with no-ssl3: https://code.launchpad.net/~pirabarlen-cheenaramen/ubuntu/wily/nagios-plugins/crypto-fix/+merge/292494
[12:04] <loganaden> backported from upstream
[12:04] <loganaden> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7568 <- SSLv3 is no longer considered secure
[12:04] <loganaden> feedback welcomed
[14:25] <Bluefoxicy> trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/jvm/java-9-openjdk-amd64/include/linux/jawt_md.h', which is also in package openjdk-9-jdk-headless:amd64 9~b114-0ubuntu1
[16:24] <stgraber> \o/
[16:24] <infinity> @pilot out
[18:47] <kyrofa> jdstrand, bug #1573188 relating to the discussion yesterday
[19:00] <Pharaoh_Atem> congratulations on releasing Ubuntu 16.04 LTS :)
[19:02] <jdstrand> kyrofa: thanks, commented in bug
[19:18] <Pharaoh_Atem> can anyone help me with this? https://paste.fedoraproject.org/358315/66065146/
[19:20] <sladen> Pharaoh_Atem: can we have some context?  Is this trying to install 'ifupdown' on Fedora using 'alien' or some such?
[19:21] <Pharaoh_Atem> I'm trying to add to the Open Build Service the ability to build native Ubuntu 16.04 packages
[19:22] <Pharaoh_Atem> here's the full log: http://paste.fedoraproject.org/358318/61266534/
[19:22] <sladen> Pharaoh_Atem: okay.  Things like 'ifupdown' are low-level networking, that are unlikely to build/run/do anything useful except on Debian-based systems
[19:22] <Pharaoh_Atem> interestingly, it works fine in 15.10 and older
[19:22] <Pharaoh_Atem> as well as Debian 7 and 8
[19:23] <sladen> Pharaoh_Atem: those are useful datapoints to know
[19:25] <Pharaoh_Atem> I'm not sure what changed to cause this to break
[19:25] <sladen> Pharaoh_Atem: are you able to get into the machine?  And/or get a shell within the machine
[19:25] <sladen> Pharaoh_Atem: then we can try running things manually
[19:25] <Pharaoh_Atem> let me see if I can
[19:26] <sladen> Pharaoh_Atem: and bisecting between a working and non-working ifupdown package
[19:43] <sladen> Pharaoh_Atem: any luck
[19:44] <sladen> Pharaoh_Atem: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=ifupdown   shows the various published versions
[19:46] <sladen> Pharaoh_Atem: from there it's possible to find the .deb  eg. http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/main/i/ifupdown/ifupdown_0.8.10ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[19:46] <sladen> Pharaoh_Atem: /etc/init.d/networking then contains '#  Required-Start:    mountkernfs $local_fs urandom'
[19:48] <sladen> Pharaoh_Atem: trying to work out what 'urandom' is required for  (guessing something like IPv6 randomisation
[19:49] <sladen> Pharaoh_Atem: and I'm more puzzled for 'mourtkernfs'
[19:51] <sladen> Pharaoh_Atem: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/i/ifupdown/ifupdown_0.8.10ubuntu1/changelog  points at "* Allow "hwaddress random" to generate a random MAC address." from pitti
[19:51] <sladen> Pharaoh_Atem: (originally added by guus in Debian; merged + uploaded into Ubuntu by pitti)
[20:00] <Pharaoh_Atem> sladen: brb
[20:18] <Pharaoh_Atem> sladen: back
[20:18] <Pharaoh_Atem> I'm unable to get into the image :/
[20:18] <Pharaoh_Atem> I think I'm going to have to force it to use a chroot instead to see if I can manipulate the environment
[20:19] <sladen> Pharaoh_Atem: if this is kvm, can you connect to the terminal/serial port?
[20:19] <Pharaoh_Atem> when the build fails, OBS shuts down the VM :(
[20:19] <Pharaoh_Atem> and I tried to run the command to start it, and that didn't work
[20:19] <sladen> Pharaoh_Atem: perhaps OBS has (or needs) a --preserve option
[20:20] <Pharaoh_Atem> the image is here
[20:20] <sladen> Pharaoh_Atem: or --no-detach etc
[20:20] <Pharaoh_Atem> I just don't know how to start it
[20:21] <sladen> Pharaoh_Atem: qmeu <image>
[20:49] <Pharaoh_Atem> sladen: so I was able to rebuild the error in a chroot
[21:19] <dasjoe> kirkland: I stumbled over another tool you wrote, ssh-import-id. Nice!
[21:20] <kirkland> dasjoe: ;-)
[21:20] <kirkland> dasjoe: here's a non-comprehensive list: http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/p/open-source-contributions.html
[21:23] <dasjoe> kirkland: right, I've used some of those before. Happy release day! Also, I'm a bit stuck right now, I'm trying to replace https://gist.github.com/dasjoe/d12a8061bee56a966359d046a61161c6#file-xenial-on-zfs-sh-L202-L204 with "sudo -u dasjoe ssh-import-id dasjoe" which fails due to $HOME still being /root
[21:25] <dasjoe> Fixed, "sudo -Hu"
[21:32] <kirkland> dasjoe: yep.
[21:59] <sladen> Pharaoh_Atem: excellent.  Try commenting out the two 'dependencies' and then run it and see whether it complete
[21:59] <Pharaoh_Atem> sladen: so how do I do that?
[22:02] <sladen> Pharaoh_Atem: 20:44 < sladen> Pharaoh_Atem: /etc/init.d/networking then contains '#  Required-Start:    mountkernfs $local_fs urandom'
[22:02] <Pharaoh_Atem> should I delete that, then?
[22:03] <Pharaoh_Atem> alright, now I deleted them
[22:03] <sladen> Pharaoh_Atem: rather than deleteing it completely, perhaps remove the two words 'mountkernfs' and 'urandom' that it was complianing could not be started
[22:04] <Pharaoh_Atem> sladen: it set up now
[22:04] <Pharaoh_Atem> so deleting mountkernfs and urandom fixed it
[22:04] <sladen> Pharaoh_Atem: right, so these appear not be hard depencies
[22:05] <Pharaoh_Atem> sadly, there's no chance of this getting fixed in xenial :(
[22:05] <Pharaoh_Atem> I tried to bring this up when I first encountered it last month, but no one was able to figure it out
[22:05] <Pharaoh_Atem> or rather, had time to
[22:08] <slangasek> the xenial SRU queue is open for bugfixes
[22:14] <mwhudson> ah yeah, i should stuff something into that!
[22:15] <doko> where is y?
[22:16] <sladen> Pharaoh_Atem: please could you review  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1573275  and subscribe yourself
[22:17] <Pharaoh_Atem> sladen: confirmed
[22:17] <Pharaoh_Atem> I'm actually "ngompa13" on LP
[22:19] <sladen> Pharaoh_Atem: I have subscribed 'Neal Gompa', but it perhaps makes it easier to follow-up on the bug report and get back in contact if it's clear what your various/preferred aliases are and the best way to make contact
[22:25] <Pharaoh_Atem> sladen: done
[22:25] <Pharaoh_Atem> I love LP's inability to let me edit comments </sarcasm>


[00:01] <Unit193> !admingroup |Nope
[00:04] <Marzata> Unit193: ah, so. let me see. and thanks!
[00:08] <knome> usa_today, please don't use awaynicks
[00:09] <Marzata> we some admin users trough the menu, and when they tried to do ssh as admins the system didnt allow them to perform any admin tasks
[00:09] <Marzata> the only users who is allowed is the 1st added during the install. Is this normal in 12.04?
[00:11] <Marzata> shall we add all admin users to sudo group?
[00:14] <Unit193> Shouldn't need to.
[00:16] <Marzata> well, they can't do sudo
[00:21] <xubuntu916> Hi, anyone here?
[00:21] <Unit193> Nope.
[00:21] <Unit193> Just us chickens.
[00:22] <xubuntu916> Damn it. Well perhaps a chicken would be still able to assist me as I am completely lost.
[00:22] <Unit193> Feel free to ask away.
[00:24] <xubuntu916> When I download the desktop 32 bit version of xubuntu 12.04 on my friends laptop and run it through uTorrent it keeps coming out as a zip file.
[00:24] <xubuntu916> isn't it meant to be an iso
[00:24] <xubuntu916> ?
[00:24] <knome> in a way, iso files are archives
[00:26] <xubuntu916> I tried burning a data  disk with it but it only burned one file which was no use when I tried to reboot my own laptop.
[00:26] <Unit193> Yeah, you have to burn it differently, "DiskImage" sometimes.
[00:27] <xubuntu916> Is "diskimage" a program I'll need to download to finish this off then?
[00:30] <Unit193> !burning
[00:33] <xubuntu916> thanks ubotto, but the problem I'm having is that the file is coming out as a zip file and not an ISO file. And I can't find anything on the site about burning a zip file to a cd
[00:34] <xwalk> Are there any man pages on properly writing cron jobs files?
[00:36] <xubuntu916> is that directed at me xwalk? is so, I'm sorry, but I don't even know what they are.
[00:36] <xwalk> xubuntu916: To the channel in general.
[00:36] <Unit193> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/crontab
[00:36] <xwalk> Unit193: Thank you.
[00:37] <Unit193> Yeppers!
[01:55] <ChristopherNg> knome: you there?
[01:56] <Unit193> Almost 0500 his time3.
[01:56] <ChristopherNg> yeah that guy loves his sleep
[01:56] <ChristopherNg> lol
[01:57] <ChristopherNg> im going to ask something in ot
[05:41] <xubuntu386> ok, I have a problem and need help.  Certainly not an individual user not exposed to higher audience. And most certainly not by Anonymous.
[11:42] <pimperle> :iset
[11:42] <pimperle> sry
[11:51] <gordonjcp> how can I create a xubuntu bootable USB stick from Windows?
[11:51] <gordonjcp> or, is it possible at all?
[11:53] <martinphone> any google earth user?
[11:54] <martinphone> should I go with the package installation (6.0) orwith the most recent one from official site (6.2)?
[11:54] <martinphone> package = synpatic
[11:56] <knome> martinphone, the preferred method is always what's in the repositories
[11:57] <martinphone> knome, if I go from official site I get an .exe, can it be extracted with xubuntu?
[11:57] <martinphone> dos windows executable, mono...
[11:58] <knome> martinphone, i'd use the version from the repositories.
[12:00] <martinphone> ok
[12:00] <martinphone> I guess I shouldnt click the check for updates, right?
[12:01] <knome> in google earth?
[12:04] <martinphone> or, is it disabled for ubuntu packages untill a new package is released?
[12:04] <martinphone> crap, I could have checked for ppa's..
[12:10] <cellardoor> Hi all, I need some help with my dual monitor setup. Googling hasn't helped. In Gnome, my dual display works fine, the menu-bar and 'primary' screen is my big one to the right, and not the smaller one to the left. So far everything I have tried in XFCE hasn't moved the Menu bar etc from the left screen to the right. It thinks the left screen is the main screen. If I invert their position in nvidia-settings (tell it that the small screen is
[12:10] <cellardoor>  to
  the right of the big screen, when it's really on the left) then the menu-bar appears correctly placed on the big screen. Can I fix this? Or is the XFCE-menu bar always left-justified or something?
[12:12] <knome> cellardoor, you in 12.04
[12:12] <knome> cellardoor, ?
[12:12] <laite> cellardoor: in xfce settings editor (from menu) there are displays, try changin option 'primary' from there
[12:12] <laite> it's boolean (true/false) for both displays
[12:12] <cellardoor> knome, yeah, upgraded the other day. Okay laite one second.
[12:13] <laite> you propably need to log out and back in after changing
[12:13] <cellardoor> I have changed it to true.
[12:13] <cellardoor> Relogging.
[12:14] <cellardoor> Didn't work :(
[12:14] <laite> :/
[12:14] <knome> cellardoor, right click panel -> panel -> panel preferences -> in the display tab, see "output"
[12:15] <cellardoor> Aha
[12:15] <cellardoor> bear with
[12:15] <laite> whoa, haven't seen that option before =D
[12:15] <cellardoor> Thank you knome, a hat-tip to you! and thank you laite too :)
[12:16] <knome> np
[12:19] <laite> does xubuntu 12.04.1 have a different kernel than 12.04
[12:19] <laite> as in, 3.3-series
[12:20] <knome> laite, i don't think so
[12:30] <laite> knome: ok, thanks. I think I've read somewhere that ubuntu kernel often 'backports' things from newer kernels to their own version of 3.2, would there be some list about things that are additionally supported with 12.04 kernel?
[12:59] <olbi> hello
[12:59] <olbi> have problems, could some1 help?
[12:59] <olbi> http://pastebin.com/LRfchhR8
[13:06] <GridCube> olbi: have edited manually any grub  files?
[13:06] <olbi> doesnt, only last time using super-boot-manager, to change plymouth theme
[13:06] <GridCube> check line 98 of /boot/grub/grub.cfg.new as the bug warning says
[13:07] <olbi> checking there but doesnt know what could be the problem, paste this line here?
[13:08] <GridCube> olbi: better paste the whole file to pastebin
[13:08] <GridCube> :=
[13:08] <GridCube> :)
[13:08] <olbi> ok
[13:08] <olbi> moment
[13:11] <olbi> http://pastebin.com/8nAvrjkD ,  http://pastebin.com/vHdfixmH
[13:11] <olbi> here you are
[13:12] <olbi> http://www.unixmen.com/super-boot-manager-great-tool-to-manage-burg-grub2-and-plymouth-in-ubuntu/ - i was using only this app
[13:21] <GridCube> olbi: i dont see anything wrong, but im no grub expert, i recommend you 2 things, one is to try using boot-repair, its on the repos, the other if that doesnt work is trying asking in #grub
[13:22] <GridCube> correction, its not on the repos :/
[13:23] <GridCube> https://launchpad.net/~yannubuntu/+archive/boot-repair
[13:24] <kangarooo> xubuntu live username and password?
[13:25] <GridCube> none
[13:29] <kangarooo> GridCube: for 12.04 i leave blank for name and passw?
[13:29] <kangarooo> cant log in 12.04 live after i logged out whats username?
[13:31] <aguitel> in firefox tab the fonts are with differents darkness
[13:31] <GridCube> kangarooo: when you are installing you make up those things
[13:31] <GridCube> its up to you
[13:32] <kangarooo> GridCube: im in live usb
[13:32] <kangarooo> i didnt installed jet but testing
[13:36] <olbi> doesn't help :(
[13:49] <GridCube> olbi: :(
[13:49] <GridCube> i dont know, ask on #grub
[13:55] <olbi> asked and waiting :D
[15:34] <knome> usa_today, please don't use awaynicks.
[15:47] <martinphone> i have 60 files, all of em are named like this: artis - album - song title. This is very inconvenient for me, and Im looking for an automated way to get rid of "artist - album - " for all of the files
[15:51] <markuss> Subject: Upgrading xubuntu from oneiric to precise  ---  Hi, I would appreciate advice on how to upgrade.  The update manager does not indicate that a new distribution is available.
[16:00] <genii-around> markuss: What is the result of the command: grep = /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[16:13] <oli_57> hello everybody
[16:20] <GridCube> !hi
[16:20] <laite> martinphone: you could look thunar's bulk rename-option, just select bunch of files, right click and choose 'rename'
[16:20] <martinphone> laite, solution was found in for f in *; do mv "$f" "${f#*-* - }"; done
[16:20] <laite> =)
[17:02] <drc> Do I read http://xubuntu.org/news/12-04-release/ correctly?  12.04 32 bit is non-pae but 12.10 (and beyond) 32 bit will be pae?
[17:03] <holstein> "The i386 images use a non-PAE kernel. The non-PAE kernel will not be available in future Xubuntu releases." does imply that
[17:04] <holstein> i was under the impression the main ubuntu was shipping with PAE by default now
[17:04] <drc> holstein: I was 90% sure that's what it said, but there was just something about the phrasing that made me wonder :)
[17:04] <xubuntu198> Hi everyone!I installed xubuntu using the Wubi utility(I didn't change any settings;I have a XP with SP 2).I restart the PC and it boots directly in XP.Any ideas?
[17:05] <holstein> xubuntu198: if you see it listed in the windows boot loader, just select it
[17:05] <holstein> it = xubuntu/ubuntu
[17:05] <martinphone> what libraries or packages do I need to play mpc files with rhythmbox?
[17:05] <martinphone> parole plays em
[17:05] <xubuntu198> It don't show any windows boot loader
[17:06] <Artemis3> wubi i think creates an icon to launch it
[17:06] <xubuntu198> ?
[17:06] <holstein> xubuntu198: you have a windows bootloader.. i would try clicking the .exe again.. if you put the iso in the same directory, it will be used instead of going and downloading the iso
[17:06] <Artemis3> look in your windows desktop for the icon
[17:07] <xubuntu198> I tired that a moment later it don't work
[17:08] <holstein> martinphone: i usually just install the *-restricted-extras metapackage.. i use VLC though
[17:08] <holstein> xubuntu198: what didnt work? and how did it not work?
[17:08] <xubuntu198> tried
[17:08] <xubuntu198> anyway tnx
[17:08] <holstein> xubuntu198: i would get the wubi .exe file, put it in a directory with the LIVE CD iso... click on it and report errors
[17:08] <martinphone> holstein, for all ku, xu, lu and ubuntu?
[17:09] <holstein> martinphone: its the same codecs AFAIK..
[17:09] <Artemis3> just install the one you need, xubuntu-restricted-extras would be correct for this channel
[17:09] <martinphone> holstein, so with just one it should be enough...
[17:09] <holstein> martinphone: i would expect what plays in parole to play in rhythymbox
[17:10] <holstein> maybe its a plugin for rhythymbox you need.. i would ask in #ubuntu or somewhere more folks might be using RB
[17:10] <martinphone> ok
[17:15] <markuss> Hi, any ideas how to upgrade xubuntu from oneiric to precise?  The update manager does not recognize that there is a new distribution upgrade available.
[17:23] <gordonjcp> markuss: update-manager -c -d
[17:23] <gordonjcp> does that do it?
[17:26] <markuss> gordonjcp:  strange.  it works.  Update manager starts and reports a new release!  (I had hoped before to see that, making many attempts.)  Thanks so much!
[17:29] <crond> Can anyone tell me if nvidia optimus graphics are working well on x/ubuntu in general? I'm currently making a USB install stick but want to be sure my gaming will work :)
[17:35] <genii-around> crond: Might want to read http://geek.co.il/wp/2012/02/19/nvidia-optimus-on-ubuntu-12-04
[17:35] <crond> genii-around, thank you!
[18:19] <ubuntu_> hello all I have a problem I have download Xubuntu 12.04 .iso file and then I burned it and tried to install but in the middle of installation an error occurred.
[18:20] <ubuntu_> I have the text of error but is there anyone else whit that problem
[18:20] <ubuntu_> ?
[18:21] <crond> ubuntu_, I would check your ISO or your burn first.
[18:21] <genii-around> ubuntu_: Did you verify the md5 of the cd image before you made the cd?
[18:21] <genii-around> !md5
[18:24] <ubuntu_> genii-around, I didnt understand how to check
[18:25] <ubuntu_> oohhh on that site is written
[18:26] <genii-around> Yes.
[18:28] <ubuntu_> genii-around, when I write: md5sum "myisofile", nothing happens
[18:28] <lighta> back
[18:30] <genii-around> ubuntu_: Where it has "myisofile" you put instead the path and name of the actual iso file you downloaded, like xubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386.iso  or so on
[18:31] <ubuntu_> I must wait a little
[18:31] <ubuntu_> :)
[18:31] <ubuntu_> it has done
[18:31] <ubuntu_> now I have my hash
[18:33] <milen8204> genii-around, 52fddd81e75bb421a5435a42ca9ec6df
[18:33] <milen8204>
[18:33] <milen8204> xubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386.iso
[18:34] <milen8204> my iso is ok
[18:34] <milen8204> i am ubuntu_
[18:37] <genii-around> milen8204: Good. I would make a new CD, this time with software set to verify that it was written correctly.
[18:38] <milen8204> I had used Xfburn
[18:41] <milen8204> That error-massage was written: The installer encountered an unrecoverable error. A desktop session will now be run so that you may investigate the problem or try to install again
[18:54] <milen8204> I am trying to check cd whit md5sum
[18:55] <mongy> if yo uare having trouble with the live installer then maybe try the alternate 'safe' version.
[18:56] <milen8204> how to do that
[18:56] <mongy> download the alternate iso
[18:56] <milen8204> the live CD runs well but I cant install on my PC
[18:56] <milen8204> mongy, could you send me a link pleae
[18:56] <milen8204> please
[18:56] <milen8204> *
[18:57] <mongy> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/precise/release/
[18:58] <mongy> did the md5 check come back ok?
[18:58] <mongy> did you boot directly to the installer or have you tried running the live session and running the installer from there?
[18:58] <milen8204> to iso yes
[18:59] <milen8204>  52fddd81e75bb421a5435a42ca9ec6df
[18:59] <milen8204> xubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386.is
[18:59] <mongy> about when does it give you the error?
[18:59] <milen8204> when start installing
[19:00] <xubuntu777> I just installed xubuntu on an asus zenbook, i was wondering if the sleep/hibernate issue and touchpad sensitivity could be improved by upgrading to the 3.3 kernel.
[19:00] <milen8204> after all settings for install and start coping files
[19:02] <crond> xubuntu777, I have seen a fix for those issues somewhere online, have you googled it?
[19:02] <milen8204> then an massage appears The installer encountered an unrecoverable error. A desktop session will now be run so that you may investigate the problem or try to install again
[19:03] <xubuntu777> I read about them on the ubuntu wiki, but was just curious if a kernel upgrade might take care of it.
[19:04] <mongy> I know the installer has some bugs, as I found out while creating an encrypted home during install..  if you are comfortable with it, use the (no point n click dos like) alternate installer.
[19:04] <crond> mongy, for lvm + dm_crypt you always have to use the alternate installer
[19:05] <crond> or did you mean just encrypted homedir?
[19:05] <milen8204> mongy, how to use alternative installer ?
[19:06] <NewUser> Hi people!
[19:06] <mongy> crond, as I said, encrypted home only.  I didnt want a fully encrypted drive, but it tried to make my swap encrypted and fubarred it giving me no swap, so  I had to format the swap partition again and correct fstab for a normal swap entry.
[19:07] <mongy> milen8204,  alternate iso.
[19:07] <crond> mongy, ahh. ok!
[19:07] <mongy> milen8204, try it in vmware/virtualbox first so you can get familiar with it, it's not hard to use.
[19:07] <milen8204> i do not understand, I should download alternate iso?
[19:07] <xubuntu025> hi
[19:08] <NewUser> May be some one try instal Xubuntu on laptop with Windows. I just few moment ago install Xubuntu on my laptop from USB stick. But if i take out it automaticaly loads Windows. How do i make to choose which one OS i want to load
[19:08] <mongy> milen8204,  yes.
[19:09] <milen8204> hmm where I can find it ?
[19:09] <mongy> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/precise/release/
[19:09] <mongy> milen8204,   http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/precise/release/xubuntu-12.04-alternate-i386.iso
[19:09] <milen8204> ohhhh
[19:09] <mongy> milen8204, it's for when the live cd doesn't work.
[19:09] <milen8204> i see it next to the other Iso :D
[19:09] <Artemis3> or go with the times and use amd64
[19:10] <mongy> milen8204, or for more advanced disk operations.
[19:10] <milen8204> ok I will try
[19:10] <NewUser> ye )
[19:10] <mongy> milen8204, are you sure you need the 32bit version ?
[19:10] <NewUser> guys how do change load boot options to Operational systems
[19:10] <NewUser> do any knows? )
[19:10] <mongy> NewUser, so you installed grub to your usb stick?
[19:11] <xubuntu025> hi everybody, i'm a new user of xubuntu and i search how to change the contrast of notifications (: thanks
[19:12] <milen8204> mongy, my PC is 10 years old , how do you thing :D
[19:12] <NewUser> I instal xubuntu 12 on my usb - didnt know does tehe is grub but ! if i t let me choose what to load it is there
[19:12] <NewUser> but didnt on HDD
[19:12] <Artemis3> xubuntu025, settings manager -> notifications -> theme?
[19:13] <mongy> NewUser, I don't quite follow.  You installed ubuntu to your usb stick?  Or installed it from your usb stick, TO your hard drive?
[19:14] <xubuntu025> Artemis3: oh thanks (:
[19:15] <milen8204> mongy, when I install alternative .iso will have the same xubuntu like not alternative :D
[19:15] <NewUser> First on USB stick becorse my laptop didn' t have CDrom and after it reload laptop and instal from stick Xubuntu. And now for lunch Xubuntu i need plug in stick.
[19:15] <mongy> NewUser, ok so it sounds like grub is not installed on your hard drive.  Boot xubuntu and then install grub to your hard drive.
[19:15] <mongy> milen8204, alternate installer, same os
[19:16] <milen8204> ok thanks
[19:16] <NewUser> Hope it will be some option in visual menu ? )))))
[19:16] <mongy> failsafe and with more options for advanced users.
[19:17] <NewUser> ok try to reboot and inslal grub
[19:17] <crond> NewUser, what is your native language?
[19:31] <uofm49426> not  really a bug but annoying gmusicbrowser will not scan folder
[19:34] <uofm49426> gmusicbrowser will  mot scan subfolders in my music  file
[19:35] <uofm49426> using 12.04  xubuntu
[19:36] <tomasz> Hi. Quick question. Where to put rc.local in home directory?
[19:37] <NewUser> Heh didnt find how to install grub from USB to HDD -)
[19:41] <mongy> NewUser,  not sure why it never did it during install, but anyway, boot xubuntu and from terminal type sudo grub-install /dev/sda
[19:41] <mongy> assuming sda is your installation drive.
[19:41] <mongy> then type sudo update-grub
[19:42] <NewUser> two questions - how to check in what sda i allready install xubuntu?
[19:42] <NewUser> update will not work - i siting on flash 3g - and didnt have drivers for linux
[19:42] <tomasz> Where should I put rc.local in home directory? I don't want to edit the one in /etc/ every time I wish to add or remove there. I read you can have rc.local set per user, but forgot where it should be placed. Help?
[19:43] <xubuntu880> hi everyone
[19:43] <Unit193> Howdy.
[19:43] <tomasz> Evening.
[19:43] <xubuntu880> repositories from xubuntu are the same than ubuntu?
[19:43] <Unit193> Yep.
[19:43] <xubuntu880> i just install it but sources.list is empty
[19:43] <mongy> NewUser, do you have only 1 hard drive?
[19:44] <xubuntu880> oks. copyn it ^
[19:44] <Unit193> Blank on install is weird...
[19:45] <NewUser> yea - divide it in two peaces in wodnows - when install xubuntu it take some part for it self, if i corectly understand it. Thete are recovery part on hdd, windows part and linux part
[19:46] <mongy> NewUser, boot your installed xubuntu then, and do those commands.
[19:47] <NewUser> oukey - but only update i'll make when find how to run 3g modem on xubuntu :)
[19:47] <xubuntu880> yes i have only a hd. xubuntu using all
[19:47] <NewUser> se ya after 10 minuts)
[19:48] <mongy> NewUser, you aren't updating anything fron internet.
[19:50] <frozsak> how do i stop xfce's saving sessions?
[19:50] <frozsak> it's unchecked in session management
[19:54] <mongy> I think you just stop everything running thats saved,  log out with the saved session enabled still, then log back in and disable it.
[19:54] <tomasz> Having some strange problem with boot time, frozsak?
[19:59] <NewUser> He he ! )) It works
[19:59] <NewUser> Thanks a lot
[19:59] <NewUser> now i can on my aspire one 722 work in normal system what didnt eat all resources))
[20:00] <NewUser> interesting what be faster xubuntu 12 or windows 7 home premium
[20:00] <NewUser> )
[20:01] <mongy> NewUser, xubuntu 12.  no brainer.
[20:02] <NewUser> mongy: idealy i instaled Oracle Linux on my laptop, becorse i have that system in production. Bet i use about two weaks linux thats why try something with xwindows on that
[20:03] <NewUser> didnt think that i can get up it from sorce on OLE )
[20:14] <frozsak> not neccesarily tomasz
[20:15] <frozsak> it has just cause problems in the past
[20:15] <frozsak> and now my fglrx driver died somehow
[20:15] <frozsak> oop hes gone
[20:15] <frozsak> anyway session saving is just annoying
[20:34] <Benguin> Hey guys, does anyone know why, if I blacklist "libmessaging.so" from appearing in an indicator applet (not the one included by default) it still shows up, along with all te other ones I blacklisted?
[20:34] <Benguin> I did the same in a non-xubuntu install of xfce and it works fine
[20:35] <Benguin> Is libmessaging.so and etc names something else in xubuntu?
[20:35] <Benguin> named*
[20:36] <Benguin> oh, or does xubuntu not use the regular xfconf files in ~/.config?
[22:22] <aguitel> any app like startupmanager in 12.04 ?
[22:24] <GridCube> !info startupmanager
[22:24] <GridCube> nope
[22:26] <aguitel> GridCube, por eso digo algo similar


[15:51] <toogreen> hi there, are you guys open to some friendly, constructive criticism about Unity?


[10:32] <Draggin> Good morning!
[10:32] <Draggin> Astraljava - are you around?
[10:49]  * Blank__ has had some fun getting US 10.04 working properly
[10:49] <Blank__> it seems the latest nvidia driver can't compile its kernel module against the latest -rt?
[13:18] <ScottL> Blank__, remember,the "latest" -rt kernel in the repositories is 2.6.31
[13:18] <ScottL> the latest nvidia drivers probably were built against 2.6.32
[13:19] <ScottL> 2.6.32 is what all other available kernels are for lucid
[13:19] <Blank__> oh
[13:19] <ScottL> i'm just guessing this may be the problem
[13:19] <Blank__> good point
[13:20] <Blank__> from what little i saw in the make.log, things seem to be missing
[13:20] <Blank__> also, i'm not sure if this is a bug but the splash screens don't work with the rt kernel
[13:22] <Blank__> actually, i was installing from the abogani ppa, and the latest rt there is .33
[13:22] <Blank__> so that could still be the reason
[13:25] <ScottL> oho, yeah, that could be it as well :)
[13:27] <Blank__> would the only option be to grab the nvidia driver straight from their site?
[13:29] <ScottL> hmm, i'm not sure actually, you might even talk to abogani when he gets on and ask him, or maybe in another channel #ubuntu-kernel?
[13:29] <ScottL> i'm not really sure where to ask thought
[13:29] <ScottL> s/thought/though
[16:04] <dijenerate> hi all
[16:05] <dijenerate> anyone ever experience a problem with ubuntustudio amd64 booting up on a device with usb input peripherals (mouse kybrd, touchscreen) and we get to the log in screen with no input devices functional
[16:05] <dijenerate> ?
[16:06] <dijenerate> so the only thing that can be done is to press the power switch and shutdown
[16:07] <dijenerate> it's very irritating
[18:44] <pixhelado> hi, i need help to install my graphic tablet
[18:45] <holstein> hey pixhelado
[18:45] <holstein> what do you have?
[18:45] <holstein> i have a wacom
[18:45] <holstein> id have to go look at the model #
[18:46] <holstein> but it 'just worked'
[18:46] <holstein> that was with a generic kernel running karmic though
[18:46] <pixhelado> i have a UC-Logic Technology Corp. Genius MousePen 8x6 Tablet
[18:46] <pixhelado> the is that when i push in the tablet the pointer goes to left up corner
[18:47] <holstein> OH
[18:47] <holstein> so it works
[18:47] <holstein> its just funky?
[18:47] <pixhelado> it works, but i cant configure it
[18:47] <holstein> hmmm
[18:48] <pixhelado> i try with wizardpen, but nothing
[18:48] <holstein> i'll poke around on google a bit
[18:48] <holstein> BUT i have VERY little graphics experience
[18:48] <holstein> i plugged that wacom in
[18:48] <pixhelado> im try all google tips
[18:48] <holstein> and noticed it worked
[18:48] <holstein> and unplugged it ;)
[18:54] <holstein> im glad i didnt actually start browsing around
[18:54] <holstein> and getting out the tablet
[23:10] <skx> Ubuntu Studio doesn't have a network manager? :\
[23:10] <skx> just an entry in network/interfaces?
[23:33] <ScottL> skx, network-manager is on the dvd, you can install it from there
[23:36] <skx> I can install it from a repository, I'm just surprised


[01:05] <StepNjump> I lost my audio in Ubuntu natty. I didn't do anything special..  I am trying to install 11.10 as a dual boot onto the second partition of the second hard drive, but the install gives the error "no root file system is defined. please correct this from the partition menu." but what do I do there? I can't figure out what setting I need to change. TIA
[15:26] <coalwater> well, i was going to help but you're gone
[15:47] <Ianp5a> you gotta be quick!
[15:47] <coalwater> i wasn't looking lol, when i looked he/she was already gone
[17:01] <^zenyhooubby-it> hi! :)
[17:17] <^zenyhooubby-it> I don't know how add not-allocated space to the ubuntu 10.04 ext3 partition using gparted. Can you help me please? THanks :-)
[17:19] <holstein> ^zenyhooubby-it: you want to do that from a live CD... you can try with gparted... i would have all data backed up, and consider just making a partition there on the unused space
[17:29] <^zenyhooubby-it> holstein: CD reader is bugged... I succeded to create new partitions and not-allocated space with gparted, but I simply don't know how to add space to partition. I already have 3 partition in 60 gb of space! XD Another one isn't so good for my old pc :-)
[17:29] <holstein> ^zenyhooubby-it: you can take the drive to another machine.. you can USB boot...
[17:30] <holstein> ^zenyhooubby-it: you wont, and shouldnt, be resizing on the system like you want to while its mounted
[17:31] <bobweaver> ikonia:  it goes mint then ubuntu then debian then debian again
[17:31] <bobweaver> I want  ubuntu then whatever
[17:32] <bobweaver> I have llloked at /etc/boot/grub.cfg     just a little lost
[17:32] <bobweaver> looked *
[17:32] <bobweaver> sorry wrong channel
[17:32] <bobweaver> well kinda
[17:37] <^zenyhooubby-it> so how can I do it, holstein? Why I need cd/usb? HOw can I unmount the partition that I want to enlarge?
[17:38] <holstein> ^zenyhooubby-it: you can do it from a live CD... that can be running on a live USB stick.. OR, you can take the hard drive out of the machine, and mount it on another one running gparted
[17:38] <holstein> you cant boot up the machine, and unmount the system partion, and resize it
[17:41] <^zenyhooubby-it> there is some way to edit ubuntu partition with ubuntu? provisory mode or similars...
[17:42] <holstein> ^zenyhooubby-it: no that im aware of... i *always* just use a live CD.. or take the hard drive to another machine...
[17:42] <^zenyhooubby-it> unlucly I can't use cd or usb, as I told before
[17:42] <holstein> right... you take the hard drive to another box
[17:42] <holstein> or, just use the partition you made
[17:44] <^zenyhooubby-it> can I do it using windows xp? it's installed too in another partition
[17:44] <^zenyhooubby-it> It's in dual boot
[17:44] <hobgoblin> bobweaver: what you trying to do - sort grub order out?
[17:45] <holstein> ^zenyhooubby-it: not that im aware of.. you need to unmount partitions to resize them, and XP has no partion management like that that im aware of
[17:46] <bobweaver> hobgoblin:  yup I was
[17:46] <bobweaver> thanks for asking hobgoblin
[17:54] <^zenyhooubby-it> ok thanks holstein :-)
[17:54] <^zenyhooubby-it> I will try cd
[17:55] <holstein> ^zenyhooubby-it: sometimes, i can get plop to load on strange CD drives, and boot USB from it
[17:55] <hobgoblin> bobweaver: have you sorted it or do you still want some help?
[17:55] <^zenyhooubby-it> plop?
[17:55] <hobgoblin> bobweaver: sorry - in and out a bit at the moment
[17:56] <holstein> http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanagerdl.html
[17:59] <bobweaver> hobgoblin:  sorry I had a phne call.
[17:59] <bobweaver> but I got it worked ouyt thanks
[17:59] <bobweaver> how long untill the 12.04 comes out ?
[18:00] <hobgoblin> at the end of 04 ;)
[18:00] <bobweaver> lol
[18:00] <bobweaver> cprofitt: ping  is the party still uin syracuse ?
[18:00] <bobweaver> in *
[18:01] <hobgoblin> bobweaver: though to be frank I have it running on 3 machines without any major problems
[18:01] <bobweaver> really
[18:01] <hobgoblin> xubuntu not ubuntu I add
[18:01] <bobweaver> ahh
[18:01] <bobweaver> is that alpha or beta now ?
[18:01] <hobgoblin> yep - there's an oddity with hibernate - but that's common to all I believe and some qt apps needed some appearance things dealing with
[18:02] <hobgoblin> I think it's still alpha
[18:02] <bobweaver> hobgoblin:  is there release partys around you ?>
[18:03] <hobgoblin> bobweaver: not beta till March - then beta2 in april
[18:03] <bobweaver> thanks hobgoblin
[18:03] <hobgoblin> nope - I live in a little town on the south coast of england - there'll be one in London
[18:03] <bobweaver> 5 years on this one I hear
[18:03] <cprofitt> bobweaver: not sure. I have not heard from anyone on the planning
[18:03] <cprofitt> bobweaver: ask ducky in #ubuntu-us-ny
[18:03] <cprofitt> he is doing the planning
[18:03] <bobweaver> cprofitt:  let me know it O can help thanksk
[18:03] <hobgoblin> bobweaver: yep - 2 of the machines I have it on will stay with it
[18:03] <bobweaver> I
[18:04] <cprofitt> bobweaver: I would truly appreciate your assitance in getting something planned
[18:04] <bobweaver> sure
[18:04] <cprofitt> if ducky does not have it set for Syr we need to do something locally... and I will not be around for it so I need someone else to take the project on
[18:04] <bobweaver> just let me know what to do
[18:04] <bobweaver> I will do IT !
[18:05] <bobweaver> :>)
[18:05] <bobweaver> I will talk to him
[18:05] <bobweaver> 1st
[18:05] <cprofitt> awesome -- thanks
[18:05] <bobweaver> then if nothing I will talk to the people at the college
[18:05] <bobweaver> RIT that is
[18:05] <bobweaver> cprofitt:  thanks for thd info dude
[18:06] <bobweaver> the *
[18:06] <^zenyhooubby-it> holstein : can I make a live-usb image of ubuntu in a usb key with data into it?
[18:12] <AJH101> hi i would like to start lmms via an icon rather than terminal - any ideas please? Thanks!
[18:18] <Atlantic777> AJH101: you can create a launcher, and as the command put /usr/bin/lmms
[18:18] <bennettwrite> I'm running Ubuntu 11.10 Desktop on an old server. The Ubuntu OS is running on a 250Gb hard drive and the files I want to share on on a second 1Tb hard drive mounted in the server.  I've mounted the 1Tb drive to /media/New Volume in Ubuntu and shared it. But because it is mounted under media my Windows Vista machines can't see the correct file path since it seems I can't share /media...Any advice?
[18:20] <AJH101> Thanks
[18:21] <^zenyhooubby-it> can someone help me with the question above? thanks :-)
[18:24] <bobweaver> holstein : can I make a live-usb image of ubuntu in a usb key with data into it?     ?????????????
[18:32] <philipballew> ^zenyhooubby-it, you want to make a custom iso basically?
[18:45] <^zenyhooubby-it> i don't know philipballew
[18:45] <^zenyhooubby-it> I think yes
[18:46] <^zenyhooubby-it> ubuntu live-usb without erase data into usb-key
[18:57] <bennettwrite> hi...I'm trying to share a second hard drive on my Ubuntu machine to a Windows network.  The problem I'm having is that the drive auto mounts under /media, which i'm unable to share...  Is there a way to force it to mount to /public, which I can share and access?
[20:16] <ascianabhro> is there any displayConfigGTK or alternative for Ubuntu Lucid?


[07:10] <sirriffsalothp> There's an Onyx 1640i here, can it be used with say kxstudio or ubuntustudio? It's firewire I believe
[07:38] <sakrecoer> sirriffsalothp: i don't know about that one specifically, but i had to blacklist alsa firewire in order to run jack with ffado
[07:39] <sakrecoer> sirriffsalothp: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/JACK_Audio_Connection_Kit#Firewire
[08:42] <sirriffsalothp> sakrecoer: Hm, ok. For a complete noob, what kinda connection do these soundcards use? Haven't had a close look at it yet, wondering if I need an adapter or something
[09:20] <sakrecoer> sirriffsalothp: i believe it can act as a normal mixer, but to connect to a computer and benefit from all the features, your going to need a firewire port
[09:21] <sakrecoer> unsure if the 1640i works with linux, but i believe there is an extensive thread on ffado mailing list
[09:22] <sakrecoer> however, you are going to want a dedicated firewire card in your computer and carefully look for one with the proper chipset.
[09:22] <sakrecoer> (don't remember which ones are good, but websearch will tell you)
[09:24] <sakrecoer> sirriffsalothp: an adapter might work but will mostlikely give you problems. in fact, i dont even know if such adapters exist... but obviously the more i know the less i know :D
[09:33] <sakrecoer> sirriffsalothp: please keep us posted on how it goes, i've been lurking on that device since it has full 16x16 FW interface, which allows 5rue tape-style mixdown, lee scratch perry wise \o/
[09:34] <sakrecoer> s/5rue/true
[10:38] <_dragonlord_> hello, how do u list all audio soundcard in terminal ?
[12:04] <cri13> hello all ! what is the command to show audio devices in terminal ?
[12:19] <trebmuh> for a non-firewire one, you can use cat /proc/asound/cards which will show you recognized and driver-loaded ones
[16:36] <DaDaCinnamon> hi guys.
[16:56] <DaDaCinnamon> Anyone about ?
[18:46] <DaDaCinnamon> obviously not. now anywayz ......