[10:21] <Ranma> cause direct rendering with mesa drivers its slower than using the prop drivers
[10:21] <Ranma> i've been there and i have a radeon too
[10:22] <meister_> in
[10:22] <_mark> it says direct rendering = no   then   OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[10:22] <_mark> ok
[10:22] <Ranma> ok then you dont have accel enabled
[10:23] <_mark> how do I enable that please tell
[10:23] <Ranma> that's why your screensaver its running so slow
[10:23] <_mark> just run glx maybe
[10:23] <_mark> or glxconfig
[10:23] <_mark> just guessing the command
[10:24] <Ranma> if you dont have direct rendering then you should try prop drivers from ati
[10:24] <_mark> I've already killed a hard drive from screwing up the system and reinstalling lol
[10:24] <Ranma> you'll get better performance also
[10:24] <_mark> really
[10:24] <Ranma> no pain no gain
[10:24] <_mark> lol
[10:25] <mornfall> raphink: bak
[10:25] <raphink> there are weird things with translations...
[10:25] <linuxrebel> Only one... mark you should see my collection of smoked hardware :)
[10:25] <mornfall> raphink: not weird
[10:25] <raphink> with various programs
[10:25] <raphink> mornfall: ?
[10:25] <Ranma> i understand but you have to try
[10:25] <_mark> hehe
[10:25] <mornfall> raphink: you are probably missing libapt-front.mo :)
[10:26] <_mark> ok I hate to do it but I'll go get the driver from ati's site and try it
[10:26] <_mark> brb maybe lol
[10:26] <raphink> mornfall: what package is that?
[10:26] <mornfall> but it's probably true that i should remove the UI strings from libapt-front and move to libept
[10:26] <mornfall> raphink: what package is what
[10:26] <Ranma> there's an ati howto on wiki page
[10:26] <raphink> libapt-front.mo
[10:26] <raphink> where is that supposed to be done?
[10:26] <Ranma> you can get the drivers with apt-get also
[10:27] <mornfall> raphink: i think i sent a .pot to Riddell at some point
[10:27] <raphink> ah
[10:27] <mornfall> but i don't know anything about the result
[10:27] <raphink> cause I've translated adept into french
[10:27] <raphink> the interface works well
[10:27] <raphink> but none of the messages are
[10:27] <raphink> translated
[10:27] <raphink> although I translated libept.mo
[10:27] <mornfall> hmm?
[10:27] <mornfall> what messages
[10:27] <raphink> I'll show you
[10:28] <mornfall> the not installed/install/... strings are from libapt-front IIRC
[10:28] <_mark> should I uninstall the drivers already install b4 installing the ones I'm ganna install?
[10:28] <raphink> I've translated hundreds of stuff in libept
[10:29] <raphink> mornfall: http://r.pinson.free.fr/images/ept/adept.jpg
[10:30] <raphink> all strings in the adept package have been translated though
[10:30] <mornfall> wait
[10:31] <_mark> ok here I go ganna install without uninstalling
[10:31] <raphink> ok
[10:32] <Ranma> _mark go here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[10:32] <mornfall> raphink: then, the .pot is incorrect
[10:32] <mornfall> raphink: it's missing all the .ui files apparently
[10:32] <raphink> ok
[10:32] <mornfall> raphink: or have you translated things from the filters eg?
[10:33] <raphink> we have translated all the strings available
[10:33] <kosh> so raphink have you translated it to swedish chef yet? :)
[10:33] <raphink> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/ept/+translations
[10:34] <raphink> jag kan inte kosh
[10:34] <raphink> jag talar svenska inte bra :(
[10:34] <MaMaTt> Bonjour !
[10:35] <raphink> MaMaTt: /join #kubuntu-fr pour parler en franais stp
[10:35] <raphink> sinon ici c'est en angliche :)
[10:35] <mornfall> aaaargh
[10:35] <mornfall> rosetta blows
[10:36] <raphink> mornfall: what does it blow?
[10:36] <raphink> minds?
[10:37] <mornfall> no, it just blows
[10:37] <mornfall> the ui is awful (as usual with launchpad)
[10:37] <mornfall> or it breaks in konq
[10:37] <mornfall> which is all the same as much as i care
[10:37] <kosh> orboth :)
[10:37] <raphink> hmmm
[10:37] <raphink> lol
[10:38] <kosh> I have just seen many situations where people have said somethign was broken because of a or b or c and what it turned out was it was broken becasuse and a and b and c
[10:39] <mornfall> raphink: how can i get the .pot file?
[10:39] <mornfall> omg
[10:39] <mornfall> it sends it by mail
[10:40] <kosh> mornfall: you have to get the weed object first and refine it then you have to wrap it in a wrapper file and use the smoke command :)
[10:40] <Somefilename> Brb.
[10:40] <_mark> lol I goto dl the driver and my system wants to call it Attachment
[10:40] <mornfall> launchpad, i officially hate you
[10:41] <mornfall> why can't it let me download the file like every normal system on the planet
[10:41] <mornfall> naaah
[10:41] <mornfall> launchpad the ingenious
[10:41] <mornfall> it mails it
[10:41] <Ranma> bye to all good luck
[10:42] <_mark> lol
[10:42] <mornfall> i'm wondering if it arrives today or just next week
[10:44] <_mark> so what do I do now?
[10:45] <_mark> lol crazy
[10:45] <slow-motion> hallo
[10:46] <_mark> heyas
[10:47] <Libertus> morning
[10:47] <_mark> so how do I get the driver without Konqueror changing it to an attachment?
[10:47] <_mark> lol
[10:47] <_mark> nuts I tell ya
[10:48] <linuxrebel> right click and choose save as should work
[10:48] <_mark> alrighty I'll try it
[10:48] <_mark> all I have is save link as no save as
[10:49] <_mark> what the heck did I do to my system lol I am ganna have to reinstall
[10:49] <mornfall> raphink: so, i have a complete .pot
[10:49] <_mark> because I can't dl files
[10:50] <_mark> lol
[10:50] <linuxrebel> Save Link as = save as .. different apps on different OS's ...
[10:50] <_mark> this is too funny having to reinstall cuz I can't DL files from the internet
[10:50] <_mark> oh ok
[10:50] <kosh> you don't have to reinstall
[10:50] <kosh> however you should consider taking a sedative
[10:51] <_mark> hey hey what ya know its working
[10:51] <_mark> \lol
[10:51] <mornfall> raphink: and it seems yours is complete too :|
[10:52] <mornfall> *sigh* rosetta *is* braindead
[10:53] <mornfall> it manages to give me all translations *but* the .pot file
[10:53] <mornfall> lameness
[10:53] <mornfall> well, either way, i guess it's complete
[10:53] <_mark> hey you guyz know of any programs I can use to see if my 56k modem is working or not I am on a network now and don't have a phone jack near by to test it out
[10:54] <_mark> well time to install wish me luck
[10:54] <mornfall> raphink: something's wrong with either your system or with the .deb of adept
[10:54] <_mark> brb
[10:55] <mornfall> raphink: no idea, it *should* work
[10:56] <raphink> hmmm
[10:57] <_mark> how do I save the xwindow configuration? it doesn't say anything on the website about that
[10:57] <_mark> the installer sayz I have to do that
[10:59] <Cin> amarok randomly crashed while I was asleep and when I got back it was asking me to send the error report. Now I can't restart it, seems I have to restart X. ... I've had a few programs since installing crash and mess up... is this a normal thing? Lots of crashism? I want to know whether this is a usual thing in Linux or if I've got a problem I should be worried about.
[10:59] <raphink> Cin: what version of kubuntu?
[10:59] <_mark> oops I did it wrong have to reinstall can I do it now or should I reboot?
[11:00] <Cin> raphink, uhm, I'll check, 1 sec.
[11:00] <raphink> Cin: breezy?
[11:00] <raphink> Cin: check if your box is up-to-date
[11:00] <raphink> brb
[11:00] <_rr_> Hello
[11:01] <_mark> heyas
[11:01] <_rr_> anybody has experience with fluidsynth + rosegarden4
[11:01] <_rr_> ?
[11:01] <_mark> hmmm I'm ganna just do another ontop of this one and see what happens
[11:01] <_mark> nopes
[11:01] <_mark> what is it?
[11:02] <DjDarkman> hy i have a process that comsumes too much of my cpus performance ,can you tell me what this is?
[11:02] <DjDarkman> root      7205  4.7  5.2<PHONE_NUMBER>8 ?        SL   Apr07  61:34 /usr/X11R6/bin/X -nolisten tcp :0 vt7 -auth /var/run/xauth/
[11:03] <kev1n> DjDarkman  --   no idea sorry
[11:03] <_mark> looks awfully techi for me heck I can't even install a video driver right
[11:04] <_mark> try stopping it and see what happens is what I would do
[11:04] <_mark> then find the file that starts it and remove the entery
[11:05] <_mark> entry is what I meant
[11:05] <_mark> ok ganna do anothewr install brb
[11:06] <Cin> Yeah... I guess this is where most people go back to Windows.
[11:06] <Cin> When they have no idea what's going on or what they've done.
[11:06] <Cin> I supposed I did install a bit messily.
[11:06] <Cin> Ubuntu -> GNOME -> XFCE -> KDE -> Kubuntu...
[11:07] <Cin> I got 5.10 "Breezy Badger" (whatever that means).
[11:07] <Cin> Kubuntu desktop 0.55.
[11:09] <Cin> Man this is depressing.
[11:10] <Cin> I get a mate saying "ohh sod Windows off, get Ubuntu it's *really* easy and it works, I'll help you", day I install it, *he stops coming online!* What a wanker.
[11:10] <raphink> Cin: you should update your box with the newest upgrades for Breezy
[11:10] <raphink> run
[11:10] <raphink> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:10] <Cin> Okay.
[11:11] <raphink> Cin: hmm you know how to launch a console right?
[11:11] <Cin> Yeah.
[11:11] <raphink> good :)
[11:12] <raphink> Cin: you could also use adept to deal with this
[11:12] <raphink> launching it from the K Menu
[11:12] <Cin> Is that the same thing or a different thing I should run after this?
[11:12] <raphink> it's the same
[11:12] <raphink> but adept is graphical
[11:12] <Cin> Okay.
[11:12] <Cin> Yeah.
[11:12] <raphink> it's a click stuff ;)
[11:12] <raphink> hehe
[11:13] <Cin> I don't mind the CLI... I just don't know what to do. :P
[11:13] <raphink> ok
[11:13] <raphink> Cin: can you show your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin please?
[11:13] <Cin> Yeah. After this update has finished or now?
[11:14] <raphink> well now
[11:14] <raphink> :)
[11:14] <Cin> http://rafb.net/paste/results/ScXgho78.html
[11:15] <_mark> ok here I go got everything installed and rebooting
[11:15] <_mark> laterz
[11:15] <raphink> Cin: ok
[11:15] <raphink> you can first comment the CDROM line
[11:15] <raphink> it's not useful since you have an internet access
[11:15] <Cin> Oki.
[11:16] <Cin> (Done)
[11:16] <raphink> the rest seems pretty fine
[11:16] <raphink> could be better but it's fine
[11:16] <raphink> ok
[11:16] <raphink> did it upgrade some packages?
[11:16] <Cin> Could be better?
[11:16] <Cin> Yeah it updated a fair lot.
[11:16] <raphink> good
[11:17] <Cin> Reboot?
[11:17] <raphink> the default kubuntu breezy is a bit borked
[11:17] <Cin> Ah.
[11:17] <raphink> yeah, since there are some shadow upgrades
[11:17] <raphink> better reboot for this time
[11:17] <raphink> :)
[11:18] <Cin> I've still yet to get my bearings with a lot of stuff, it's like "how do I diagnose this?" O.O
[11:18] <raphink> hehe
[11:18] <Cin> I'd like to help in some dev. projects sometime when I'm more competent in Linux.
[11:18] <Cin> Anyhoo. Rebootage. Thanks.
[11:18] <raphink> what can you do?
[11:18] <Cin> Uhh C/C++.
[11:19] <raphink> ok
[11:19] <Libertus> KDE could do with some help
[11:19] <raphink> sure
[11:19] <raphink> and KDE is mostly C++
[11:19] <raphink> brb
[11:19] <Libertus> Indeed. You'll neded to become familiar with Qt as well
[11:19] <Cin> I've gotta read up on a lot of Linux basics like graphic libraries like Qt, etc.
[11:19] <TheNightRider``> hey all
[11:20] <Libertus> morning!
[11:20] <Cin> Yeah, I figured I'd start there.
[11:20] <TheNightRider``> anyone knows how to fix a sound problem?
[11:20] <TheNightRider``> hey Somefilename
[11:20] <TheNightRider``> soo back to my original problem
[11:20] <TheNightRider``> my 5.1 surround doesnt work
[11:20] <Somefilename> Hey TheNightRider``!
[11:20] <TheNightRider``> only 2 channels work
[11:20] <TheNightRider``> ^^
[11:20] <Libertus> I did a little personal coding on KDE a few years back. I started on the "Korn" program, which at the time was quite small.
[11:20] <TheNightRider``> anyone has any ideas?
[11:21] <Cin> What is this?
[11:21] <Libertus> Which sound adapter card are you using?
[11:21] <Somefilename> TheNightRider`` , See kmix configuration.
[11:21] <TheNightRider``> i did
[11:21] <TheNightRider``> its set to 6ch
[11:21] <TheNightRider``> but nothing :/
[11:21] <Libertus> Korn is a mail notification program that sits in the Kicker
[11:21] <Cin> Ah, cool.
[11:22] <Libertus> If you can get Korn changed, compiled and running, your environment is ready for KDE coding :)
[11:22] <TheNightRider``> Somefilename
[11:22] <TheNightRider``> what did you had in mind?
[11:22] <Somefilename> TheNightRider`` , What do you mean?
[11:22] <Cin> Libertus, yeah I'll see what I can do.
[11:23] <Cin> I changed some things on XMMS back on FreeBSD, that's all in Xlib though. O.O
[11:23] <Cin> I gotta reboot, I assume there's some KDE-dev stuff on the packages?
[11:23] <Libertus> Cin: There's a lot to learn and it can be daunting... try not to get discouraged...
[11:23] <_mark> ok gl is still slow I forgot to run aticonfig b4 rebooting is that a prob ?
[11:24] <TheNightRider``> Somefilename, about kmix, what would you have told me to do?
[11:24] <Cin> Libertus, nah, all I do is code. :P So it doesn't take me long to get going on my environment.
[11:25] <Cin> Back in a minute.
[11:25] <Somefilename> TheNightRider``, To check the configuration - see if it's the right volume.
[11:25] <TheNightRider``> volume?
[11:25] <Libertus> Excellent! Any contribution you can make will be appreciated.
[11:25] <TheNightRider``> explain
[11:25] <_mark> so should I reboot now that i have ran aticonfig?
[11:25] <Somefilename> TheNightRider``, Nevermind.
[11:25] <Somefilename> Brb.
[11:26] <TheNightRider``> okay :(
[11:26] <_mark> sniff sniff noone wants to talk to me : (
[11:27] <_mark> ganna try rebooting and see if that works
[11:30] <ubuntu> hi all :0)
[11:30] <Batusaky> good morning all
[11:30] <mornfall> any news about the adept guide? :)
[11:30] <mornfall> err
[11:30] <mornfall> wrong channel
[11:31] <^^Marcus^^> this is the first time i am using kubuntu
[11:31] <Batusaky> now thsi i a beautiful channel
[11:31] <Cin> Hey.
[11:31] <Batusaky> this is
[11:31] <Somefilename> We can see, ^ ^Marcus^ ^.
[11:32] <^^Marcus^^> I like it.. :0) but it's a live version from cd
[11:32] <Batusaky> auch...
[11:33] <Batusaky> hey yo boys or girls....
[11:33] <Batusaky> i've got a question
[11:33] <Batusaky> ...
[11:33] <Batusaky> welll....?
[11:33] <jpatrick> ask
[11:33] <^^Marcus^^> regarding linux?.. I am still a newbie sorry
[11:34] <Batusaky> no....
[11:34] <Batusaky> could you enter on a channlr ?
[11:34] <Batusaky> channel ?
[11:34] <^^Marcus^^> fuile
[11:34] <^^Marcus^^> file*
[11:34] <jpatrick> why not here?
[11:34] <^^Marcus^^> join channel
[11:34] <^^Marcus^^> afk
[11:35] <Somefilename> Brb.
[11:35] <Batusaky> no just .....i would like to know if that channel works this is the first time when i enter mIRC from Linux
[11:35] <Batusaky> so....?would you like to try ?
[11:36] <Batusaky> :D ?
[11:43] <Batusaky> #HellZone
[11:43] <Batusaky> plz
[11:44] <kakalto> Batusaky, huh?
[11:45] <kev1n> #hellzone is there
[11:47] <Batusaky> enter here #HellZone and I'll give you OP to all
[11:47] <Batusaky> only if you enter
[11:48] <Somefilename> Brb.
[11:49] <kev1n> k
[11:52] <Batusaky> #HellZone
[11:52] <Batusaky> enter hetre plz
[11:53] <TheNightRider``> hey how can i install rmp files?
[11:54] <jpatrick> rpm?
[11:54] <jpatrick> !alien
[11:54] <ubotu> alien is probably a program to convert RPMs to DEBs. Its use is discouraged, as it could create serious problems. Website: http://www.kitenet.net/programs/alien/
[11:55] <TheNightRider``> oh 10x
[11:55] <TheNightRider``> but
[11:55] <TheNightRider``> is it safe?
[11:55] <_mark> well I don't know what else to do the card still isn't running as it should any ideas?
[11:56] <_mark> the ati control panel reports it running in pci mode so I ran aticonfig and enabled agpgart and it shows up in pci
[11:56] <TheNightRider``> _mark
[11:56] <_mark> yeah
[11:56] <TheNightRider``> agpgard is hard to run even in windows
[11:56] <TheNightRider``> i tried, but it still gets the default settings
[11:56] <TheNightRider``> btw
[11:57] <TheNightRider``> are you in kubuntu
[11:57] <TheNightRider``> or ubuntu?
[11:57] <_mark> yeah kubuntu
[11:57] <Cin> What an odd way to crash. I could move my mouse but nothing else.
[11:57] <TheNightRider``> Cin
[11:57] <TheNightRider``> reboot the computer
[11:57] <TheNightRider``> :D
[11:57] <Cin> I did.
[11:57] <_mark> i did
[11:57] <_mark> lol
[11:57] <Cin> :O
[11:58] <_mark> i missed the cin part
[11:58] <TheNightRider``> oh
[11:58] <TheNightRider``> then i dont know
[11:58] <TheNightRider``> damn im drunk..
[11:58] <TheNightRider``> stupid wine :D
[11:58] <TheNightRider``> (real wine, not the emulator)
[11:58] <Cin> Hehe.
[11:58] <_mark> I don't know really thinking about installing ubuntu
[11:58] <_mark> lol
[11:58] <TheNightRider``> lol
[11:58] <TheNightRider``> soo
[11:59] <TheNightRider``> how can i install repositories??
[11:59] <_mark> so I can have the full function of the video card
[11:59] <Somefilename> TheNightRider`` , /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:59] <TheNightRider``> _mark, pci is way better than agp
[11:59] <TheNightRider``> Somefilename, thanks. ;)
[11:59] <_mark> no its not none of my opengl stuff will work
[12:00] <_mark> thats my problem
[12:00] <TheNightRider``> Somefilename, now what? It's installed?
[12:00] <_mark> should of kept the original drivers and worked with them
[12:00] <TheNightRider``> i need alien to convert an rpm to a deb
[12:00] <Somefilename> TheNightRider`` , That's the file where all links to repositories are kept.
[12:00] <_mark> yep
[12:01] <TheNightRider``> well i got that
[12:01] <Somefilename> TheNightRider`` , You will see deb {link}; deb {link}. One of the links are in the CD.
[12:01] <TheNightRider``> oh
[12:01] <Batusaky> could you please enter #HellZone plzzz
[12:01] <_mark> it should be in the universe repositories you can add or remove those from the package manager what sys are ya using ubuntu or kubuntu
[12:01] <Batusaky> Free OP
[12:02] <TheNightRider``> Batusaky don't invite.
[12:02] <TheNightRider``> its lame, dude :/
[12:02] <Batusaky> if you don't want to enter than don't enter
[12:02] <_mark> whats OP?
[12:03] <Somefilename> _mark, OP = Operator.
[12:03] <_mark> oh
[12:03] <Batusaky> #HellZone for people ho wuld like to come...
[12:03] <Somefilename> _mark, It's unlimited privilages on a channel.
[12:03] <_mark> no thanks
[12:03] <Hobbsee> !kofftopic
[12:03] <ubotu> it has been said that kofftopic is Non Kubuntu support related discussions may be carried out in the channel #kubuntu-offtopic. Editor/Language wars are welcome there!
[12:03] <_mark> okies
[12:03] <TheNightRider``> Somefilename, uhh.. do you know how to install .rpm files?
[12:03] <Hobbsee> can we send all the offtopic stuff, including op stuff, other channels, etc, to #kubuntu-offtopic please?
[12:03] <Somefilename> TheNightRider``, rpm -i or rpm -Uvh.
[12:03] <_mark> alien -d the file
[12:03] <_mark> to convert
[12:04] <Batusaky> whow......hobbsee
[12:04] <TheNightRider``> oh
[12:04] <TheNightRider``> thanks :D
[12:04] <_mark> then dpkg -i  file to install
[12:04] <Hobbsee> Batusaky: hmmm?
[12:04] <_mark> welcome did that about an hour ago
[12:04] <Batusaky> yes..
[12:04] <_mark> lol
[12:04] <TheNightRider``> bash: rpm: command not found
[12:04] <Batusaky> yes hobbsee it's anything you would like to say ?
[12:04] <Somefilename> TheNightRider``, But I heard installing RPM files on Slackware and Debian is not recomended,
[12:04] <TheNightRider``> what hte..
[12:05] <TheNightRider``> oh
[12:05] <_mark> apt-get alien install
[12:05] <Hobbsee> Batusaky: we try to keep all offtopic stuff in #kubuntu-offtopic, as this is a support channel.  that includes op discussions
[12:05] <Somefilename> TheNightRider``, In Debian, Slackware and others you need to install the RPM packages because it's optional and unrecomended.
[12:05] <TheNightRider``> well
[12:06] <TheNightRider``> any way to convert them to .deb?
[12:06] <TheNightRider``> cuz i'm having trouble with installing alien
[12:06] <Hobbsee> TheNightRider``: is there the source of the package somewhere instead?
[12:06] <Batusaky> ok
[12:06] <Batusaky> ok
[12:06] <Batusaky> sorry
[12:06] <TheNightRider``> svn://svn.kitenet.net/joey/src/packages/alien
[12:07] <TheNightRider``> it should be added to repositories
[12:07] <_mark> oh so thats why my modem is not responding maybe becuz I used alien instead of compiling the source?
[12:07] <TheNightRider``> but then on, i dont know
[12:07] <_mark> alien is in the universe repo
[12:07] <_mark> I think
[12:07] <_mark> yeah I pertty sure it is
[12:07] <TheNightRider``> okay, ill try
[12:08] <_mark> I got it from the rpo but I alwayz enable the universe ones
[12:08] <_mark> are you using kubuntu?
[12:08] <TheNightRider``> hmm
[12:08] <TheNightRider``> now adept doesnt work
[12:08] <TheNightRider``> yeah
[12:08] <_mark> take out the entry you just put in
[12:09] <Somefilename> What do you want to install out of RPM, TheNightRider``?
[12:09] <TheNightRider``> GTK Radiant 1.5.0
[12:09] <_mark> I wanted the drivers for the motorola 56k modem  thats why I had to do it
[12:10] <_mark> well that you should be able to find in deb form somewhere
[12:10] <mornfall> TheNightRider``: you broke it!
[12:10] <_mark> google KDE Look and find it there
[12:10] <mornfall> :)
[12:10] <_mark> hehe
[12:11] <TheNightRider``> wtf
[12:11] <TheNightRider``> i broke what?!
[12:11] <mornfall> adept
[12:11] <_mark> your pkg manager
[12:11] <Somefilename> TheNightRider``, Get GTK Engines instead.
[12:11] <TheNightRider``> Somefilename, It's a mapping tool for ID Software games. ;)
[12:11] <Batusaky> there are know Op's here ?
[12:12] <TheNightRider``> no
[12:12] <TheNightRider``> there isnt even a cs
[12:12] <TheNightRider``> ^^
[12:12] <Batusaky> ouu....
[12:12] <_mark> so any ideas how to get my 200 dollar video card to run near full potential?
[12:12] <Batusaky> cs...
[12:12] <mornfall> _mark: what you need?
[12:12] <_mark> to get opengl to work
[12:12] <TheNightRider``> mornfall, got an idea how to fix a 5.1 surround where only 2 channels work?
[12:13] <mornfall> what card
[12:13] <_mark> i installed the ati drivers and went through the steps but no luck
[12:13] <mornfall> hmm
[12:13] <_mark> 9550
[12:13] <Cin> Okay, X is consistently crashing.
[12:13] <mornfall> dunnow, it should work :)
[12:13] <Cin> WhatdoIdo? :O
[12:13] <_mark> 128mb
[12:13] <mornfall> it's supported by the fglrx driver, hmm?
[12:13] <TheNightRider``> !ati
[12:13] <ubotu> ati is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10 or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=423589
[12:13] <mornfall> (note that 3d is not exactly linux domain now)
[12:13] <_mark> yeah fglrx reconizes it
[12:14] <_mark> with all the eye candy it should be
[12:14] <_mark> lol
[12:14] <TheNightRider``> hahaha
[12:14] <TheNightRider``> :D
[12:14] <TheNightRider``> im gonna eat
[12:14] <TheNightRider``> brb ;)
[12:15] <Ilokaaaasu> mornfall: do u have intel integrated gfx chip ? with tvout possibilities ?
[12:15] <Somefilename> TheNightRider``, Sorry dude, couldn't find any DEB packages for GTK Radiant.
[12:15] <_mark> he went to eat
[12:16] <mornfall> Ilokaaaasu: no tvout
[12:16] <_mark> is there a way to configure fglrx?
[12:16] <Ilokaaaasu> ah ok, just wondering with my tvout howto get it work
[12:17] <_mark> well shoot
[12:18] <_mark> man I really don't want to go through another reinstall lol getting tired
[12:19] <_mark> its funny how ati's own driver doesn't give full description of the card in its control panel
[12:19] <_mark> card name = unknown ha
[12:19] <_mark> bios version = unavalible
[12:19] <Cin> Amarok seems to crash a lot, and crashes X when I open the playlist window.
[12:19] <Cin> Think my X is out of date?
[12:20] <_mark> chip type = unknown
[12:20] <_mark> how do ya figure that?
[12:21] <_mark> oops
[12:21] <_mark> hehe
[12:22] <_mark> should I diable the agpgart ?
[12:22] <_mark> disable*
[12:22] <_mark> I'm ganna try that
[12:24] <_mark> Warning: Option 'UseInternalAGPGART' doesn't affect running session. that just means I have to reboot right?
[12:25] <_mark> noone knowz?
[12:25] <jpatrick> you never should need to reboot
[12:26] <_mark> hey is automatix really a virus?
[12:26] <_mark> I heard it is
[12:26] <Hobbsee> !automatix
[12:26] <ubotu> hmm... automatix is unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does things like "echo -e 'y\nY\n'" that are considered risky. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications, but it's often best to read the documentation.
[12:27] <_mark> ok I'll just stay away from it
[12:27] <Cin> !omgmykubuntukeepscrashing
[12:27] <ubotu> Cin: parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:27] <_mark> its hard enough to learn the stuff I need for the time being
[12:28] <_mark> well I'm ganna reboot and see if that change helped any
[12:33] <_mark> no such luck
[12:33] <_mark> still unable to run opengl
[12:34] <_mark> opengl has been around for about a decade why am I have such a difficult time with this
[12:34] <_mark> having*
[12:35] <senn1> hey all.
[12:36] <_mark> maybe if I throw a water cooling kit on the processor and gpu and then overclock the hell out of them I could get the preformance aye
[12:36] <_mark> heyas
[12:36] <_mark> performance*
[12:36] <_mark> shoot
[12:38] <_mark> I know I'll tweak the mesa driver to work then charge the free movement to use it isn't that how you guyz work?
[12:38] <_mark> lol
[12:38] <_mark> kiddin
[12:39] <_mark> just alittle fustrated with this sorry
[12:39] <_mark> you guyz have been nice
[12:39] <_mark> and the people who provide mesa are great
[12:40] <TheNightRider``> im back ;)
[12:40] <_mark> get your tummy full
[12:40] <TheNightRider``> i did lol
[12:40] <_mark> I'm still working on the video
[12:41] <_mark> I don't understand why I can get it to work on the gnome desktop and not here
[12:41] <_mark> the KDE
[12:41] <_mark> doesn't make since
[12:42] <_mark> well I guess I got to go back to using the gnome desktop
[12:42] <_mark> thanks for all the help everyone
[12:42] <_mark> sorry about that stupid outburst
[12:43] <_mark> laterz
[12:43] <burepe> anybody know anything about 99% stalled ktorrent downloads?
[12:43] <jpatrick> burepe: what version?
[12:44] <burepe> 1.0
[12:44] <burepe> I have the new kde source enabled
[12:44] <burepe> I wonder why i didn't get 1.2
[12:44] <TheNightRider``> hmm
[12:44] <TheNightRider``> quote:"
[12:45] <TheNightRider``> Installind 3D drivers may destroy your system.
[12:45] <burepe> jpatrick, you think I should install 1.2?
[12:45] <jpatrick> yes
[12:46] <TheNightRider``> k im rebooting for the drivers
[12:46] <TheNightRider``> if i dont come back, come to my funeral :D
[12:48] <burepe> jpatrick, I have kde latest enabled. Why did i not get 1.2 in the first place?
[12:49] <jpatrick> burepe: I don't think ktorrents in KDE main
[12:49] <k|away> hdc
[12:49] <burepe> how do I get 1.2?
[12:50] <TheNightRider``> rebooted
[12:50] <TheNightRider``> hmm
[12:50] <TheNightRider``> it seems nicer now
[12:50] <TheNightRider``> :D
[12:50] <sredna> It seems like I have no spell checking in kword?
[12:52] <thor> TheNightRider: Did you just install the new 8756 drivers from nvidia?
[12:52] <burepe> jpatrick, how do I get 1.2 then?
[12:53] <jpatrick> from the site?
[12:53] <burepe> ok
[12:53] <burepe> thanks
[12:53] <burepe> actually I have never installed a program without adept
[12:53] <burepe> wouldn't know where to start
[12:56] <jpatrick> burepe: install kdelibs4-dev
[12:56] <burepe> ok
[12:56] <burepe> does that have the package in it?
[12:56] <jpatrick> kde header files
[12:57] <jpatrick> needed to build the program
[12:58] <burepe> what do I do once I get those?
[12:59] <jpatrick> burepe: have you got the ktorrent tarball?
[12:59] <burepe> getting it
[01:02] <burepe> jpatrick, there is a kubuntu deb on the site. Should I just use  thatt?
[01:02] <CTV> hi all
[01:02] <jpatrick> burepe: if you can
[01:02] <burepe> I'll  try it.
[01:03] <CTV> i need a bash command for searching a sub sting in a string like the simular function pos(substring:string, s:string):boolean
[01:03] <CTV> is there a command to do that?
[01:04] <CTV> if substringexist($subs,$s) then ...
[01:04] <CTV> how can i do that ?
[01:11] <Cin> There a KDE version of synaptic?
[01:12] <thor> Cin: Try sudo apt-cache search synapitc
[01:12] <thor> I was able to install it just fine
[01:14] <DjDarkman> i have an amd with 1600 Mhz and 256 RAM ,and still java apss can slow down my system ,why is that?
[01:14] <burepe> what is a command to make a directory writeable by anyone? sudo chmod 777 /file?
[01:15] <Cin> Awesome, I got kynaptic. You should check it out, thor. :P
[01:15] <thor> I use apt-get
[01:15] <burepe> adept is really good
[01:15] <DjDarkman> kynaptic?
[01:16] <Cin> Yeah.
[01:16] <thor> adept is good when it works.
[01:16] <Cin> It's like synaptic but KDE.  :D
[01:18] <sredna> DjDarkman: When first one knows the optinos to operate it...
[01:19] <mornfall> i am glad you know about everything and so
[01:19] <mornfall> Hobbsee: re
[01:19] <Hobbsee> mornfall: hmm?
[01:19] <mornfall> Hobbsee: re = hi again :)
[01:19] <Hobbsee> oh, hi again :)
[01:19] <DjDarkman> theres nothing i hate more than slow programs...
[01:19] <sredna> I for example still needs to look iun the manual to see forexample to search and sisplay if found packages are installed
[01:20] <Hobbsee> doesnt look like ops were needed in the middle, either
[01:20] <thor> Anyone try the new nvidia drivers yet?
[01:21] <DjDarkman> hmmm this kynaptic looks good
[01:21] <mornfall> i hope it's better than adept :)
[01:21] <Hobbsee> haha
[01:22] <Cin> Wow this Qt designer is awesome.
[01:22] <DjDarkman> wll it`s better than synaptic in kde
[01:22] <mornfall> especially with all the elaborate error reporting that kynaptic has
[01:22] <DjDarkman> *well
[01:23] <DjDarkman> can someene give me examples of 'good' java ide-s?
[01:23] <mornfall> ah, that explains a lot
[01:23] <mornfall> DjDarkman: emacs
[01:24] <DjDarkman> and a good java learning site? :)
[01:24] <Hobbsee> kate?
[01:24] <mornfall> DjDarkman: java.sun.com?
[01:24] <mornfall> oh dear
[01:24] <mornfall> use google
[01:24] <sredna> Kate is not an ide
[01:24] <mornfall> you make yourself look more lame than you are :)
[01:25] <sredna> For 'good java ide', eclipse comes to mind
[01:25] <mornfall> sredna: if you have enough hardware, probably
[01:25] <Hobbsee> true...
[01:25] <sredna> Or kdevelop, if you like kde apps
[01:25] <sredna> mornfall: Right :)
[01:25] <mornfall> Hobbsee: you can use sed to do the same job
[01:25] <Hobbsee> true
[01:25] <sredna> Kate is brilliant for typing, but it's not an ide
[01:26] <mornfall> sredna: what *is* an ide?
[01:26] <sredna> mornfall: Well, the acronym means 'integrated development environment' right?
[01:26] <mornfall> sredna: if it means you have to use mouse to get work done, then no thanks :)
[01:26] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:26] <sredna> It usually means integration with debugger, code completion etc
[01:27] <Hobbsee> urgh, rsi
[01:27] <mornfall> ah, all those useless features :)
[01:27] <Hobbsee> s/now/a while ago
[01:27] <mornfall> Hobbsee: i'm using pointystick :)
[01:27] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:27] <mornfall> less rsi prone
[01:27] <mornfall> but when using mouse, it's bad
[01:28] <mornfall> mouse blows
[01:28] <Hobbsee> yuck
[01:28] <mornfall> i don't even attach mouse to laptop anymore
[01:28] <mornfall> just using pointystick
[01:29] <mornfall> anyway, if setting breakpoints and such needs to be done by mouse, it's useless
[01:29] <mornfall> and code completion, i am yet to see an useful version of that
[01:43] <Libertus> mornfall: Kate needs some work... apart from code completion (major work), any other ideas?
[01:44] <_mark> well I got Gnome updating now : )
[01:44] <burepe> I have a folder that I can't seem to change the permissions of
[01:44] <Libertus> I use Kate extensively, and it is better than all the free editors I've used on Windows so far
[01:45] <burepe> sudo chmod a=rwx /file should make the file rwx by any one right?
[01:45] <burepe> It is just not changing
[01:46] <burepe> I tried other files and it seems to be fine
[01:47] <Libertus> burepe: What is the output from 'ls -l /file'?
[01:47] <_mark> try rebooting if you aree using KDE it seems to be a little slow on response j/k
[01:48] <burepe> drwxr-xr-x  10 root root 65536 1970-01-01 09:00 120baby
[01:48] <Libertus> burepe: odd file date
[01:48] <burepe> i just installed maybe the date is wrong
[01:49] <burepe> I think I know what it is
[01:49] <Libertus> Could be, but that doesn't explain why the permission bits won't change
[01:49] <burepe> it is mounted so it can't change
[01:49] <burepe> am I right?
[01:49] <Libertus> If it is a directory imported from another system, yes, I think you may have trouble changing the permissions
[01:50] <burepe> it is a second hard drive in my comp
[01:50] <Libertus> That's what I mean
[01:50] <burepe> I just reinstalled
[01:50] <Libertus> If you unmount the directory, you may be able to change the permissions of the mount point
[01:50] <burepe> I can't write to the file what do I do?
[01:50] <Libertus> I'm not sure if that makes any difference to the permissions of the mounted directory.
[01:50] <burepe> cool
[01:51] <burepe> got it
[01:51] <burepe> umount did it
[01:51] <burepe> thanks
[01:52] <Libertus> Welcome
[01:54] <davidubi> hello everypne in the channel
[01:55] <Libertus> Good afternoon, davidubi
[01:55] <davidubi> Hi Libertus and everyone. First time in #kubuntu.freenode, just testing kubuntu dapper flight 6!
[01:56] <Libertus> I tried Flight 3... went back to Breezy pretty quickly.
[01:56] <burepe> Libertus, now this is weird. When the folder is unmounted it has a=rwx but when it is mounted it is not? any suggestions
[01:57] <Libertus> burepe: yes, your mount point is hidden by the directory mounted over it
[01:57] <burepe> so I need to change the mount point permissions?
[01:57] <Libertus> If you want to set the permissions for a mount, I believe the mount paramters would be the first place to go
[01:57] <Libertus> Not the mount point
[01:58] <burepe> you mean fstab?
[01:58] <Libertus> Yes, I think so. I'm not an expert on mounting
[01:58] <davidubi> I have to reinstall os due to a motherboard replacement. Iam considering installing kubuntu instead of my current Debian Sarge 3.1
[01:59] <Libertus> davidubi: I use Kubuntu Breezy. I'm happy enough with it.
[01:59] <burepe> I copied my fstab from my last install. and added that. I havn't restarted after the install yet so I will do it now and see what happens. brb
[01:59] <shreevatsa> How do I turn off the auto-mounting "feature"?
[01:59] <Libertus> burepe: ok
[02:00] <Libertus> shreevatsa: Have you tried the Windows method of holding Shift while inserting the disk?
[02:00] <shreevatsa> Libertus: doesn't work
[02:00] <Libertus> Not sure if that works on any of the Linux desktops, but it might :)
[02:00] <Libertus> OK, just a thought
[02:01] <Libertus> shreevatsa: KDE or Gnome. I can only help with KDE, I'm afraid.
[02:01] <davidubi> one thing i want to know: has kubuntu a compiler by default or should I apt-get one through the net? :-S
[02:01] <shreevatsa> KDE
[02:01] <davidubi> gcc or the like?
[02:01] <Hobbsee> !tell davidubi about build-essential
[02:01] <Somefilename> davidubi, Depending on your instalation type - for example I did an server install.
[02:02] <Somefilename> davidubi, The server install doesn't come with gcc - but the normal instalation type come with all the things you need to compile.
[02:04] <stian> the cooling fan on my laptop is running almost continuosly :(
[02:04] <stian> 5 seconds off 10 seconds on
[02:04] <Libertus> shreevatsa: K Menu->System Settings->KDE Components->Service Manager->Startup Services contains something called "KDED Media Manager" which looks like it may be related to automount
[02:05] <cfraz89> stian: what laptop do you use?
[02:05] <cfraz89> i mean cpu sorry
[02:05] <cfraz89> its probably running full speed when it shouldnt
[02:05] <stian> oh, it's a Pentium Mobile 4, Centrino
[02:06] <cfraz89> ah
[02:06] <stian> hmm, I noticed "Enable CPU throttling" wasn't on
[02:06] <cfraz89> same
[02:06] <cfraz89> add speedstep-centrino to /etc/modules
[02:06] <stian> hmm
[02:06] <cfraz89> then you will have control over the cpu speed
[02:06] <stian> how do I do that?
[02:06] <cfraz89> try running kwrite in sudo
[02:06] <stian> ah
[02:07] <stian> vim will do :)
[02:07] <cfraz89> yeah
[02:07] <Hobbsee> !kdesu
[02:07] <ubotu> Use kdesu to run graphical applications with root priveleges when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions and the config files.   If it is not working, you may need to run "sudo adept-updater"
[02:07] <cfraz89> good old vim
[02:07] <stian> okay, it's added, now what to do? :)
[02:08] <cfraz89> it will load next time you reboot
[02:08] <cfraz89> but for now
[02:08] <cfraz89> run modprobe speedstep-centrino
[02:08] <stian> oh
[02:08] <davidubi> Somefilename: the only problem I see is that ubuntu/kubuntu it is too net-dependent. My current Debian OS comes from a Sarge 3.1 8GB DVD with 15000+ packages, I rarely need to apt-get from the net. I tried the kubuntu DVD but it only comes with Kubuntu Live CD+Kubuntu Install CD+TheOpenCD software for Win32 Is planned any DVD with more apps than the standard CD ISOS?
[02:08] <cfraz89> in sudo
[02:08] <cfraz89> you can load it now though
[02:08] <stian> done
[02:08] <cfraz89> cool
[02:08] <stian> now what? :P
[02:08] <stian> hehe
[02:08] <cfraz89> well you get to choose your tool to control cpu
[02:08] <cfraz89> you can use the kde thingy
[02:08] <stian> ah
[02:08] <cfraz89> or kpowersave
[02:09] <cfraz89> i use kpowersave, and disabled the standard kde one
[02:09] <cfraz89> but it will do fine
[02:09] <stian> is there a applet for the panel?
[02:09] <cfraz89> its under laptop battery in system settings
[02:09] <stian> ah
[02:09] <cfraz89> you might have to login again for it to pick up the cpu control
[02:10] <cfraz89> but see
[02:10] <cfraz89> enable performance profiles on the last tab
[02:10] <stian> hmm
[02:10] <stian> performance profiles?
[02:10] <stian> oh
[02:10] <stian> it's done
[02:10] <stian> yeah
[02:10] <stian> so log in out?
[02:10] <cfraz89> ok
[02:10] <stian> I'll be right back :)
[02:11] <cfraz89> k
[02:12] <cfraz89> hi
[02:12] <stian> hey
[02:12] <stian> hmm
[02:12] <stian> it hasn't stopped since I logged out :(
[02:13] <stian> what was that tool you used? instead of the default one?
[02:13] <Hobbsee> kpowersave?
[02:13] <cfraz89> stian: right click on the icon
[02:13] <Somefilename> stian, If the fan needs to run that means that it musn't stop.
[02:13] <cfraz89> yeah
[02:13] <mornfall> let's also note that 1) sudo adept-updater doesn't work 2) it has the same chance to muck your stuff like any other gui app
[02:13] <cfraz89> make sure the performance profile is on ondemand
[02:13] <cfraz89> or powersave
[02:13] <stian> Somefilename: well, but, it's never had to do it before
[02:13] <mornfall> goes to Hobbsee for now
[02:13] <cfraz89> but not performance
[02:13] <stian> in windows it only runs like ever three to five minutes
[02:14] <Somefilename> stian, And that worries you?
[02:14] <mornfall> (it doesn't work because it's adept_updater)
[02:14] <stian> Somefilename: what worries me is that the fan is running more than it should atm. possibly as a result of CPU throttling not working
[02:14] <cfraz89> stian, did you change the profile?
[02:15] <stian> no, i got confused :P
[02:15] <stian> okay
[02:15] <stian> let see
[02:15] <Hobbsee> mornfall: wha???  this chat's making almost as little sense as my computing assignment is!
[02:15] <stian> cfraz89: right click on what icon?
[02:15] <cfraz89> the powerplug or battery in the tray
[02:15] <stian> cfraz89: found it :)
[02:15] <Somefilename> stian, As long as it doesn't do terrible noise and worrying sounds there's nothing to be afraid.
[02:15] <cfraz89> :)
[02:15] <cfraz89> buz: same!
[02:15] <noteventime> me too
[02:15] <buz> where can we vote to have it in dapper by default?
[02:15] <cfraz89> i luvz it
[02:16] <cfraz89> but nm doesnt work on other computer
[02:16] <cfraz89> on the rt2500
[02:16] <noteventime> Although i would like to have something like, favorite networks
[02:16] <buz> it's the first thing that got wpa working since flight 3 on my centrino
[02:16] <stian> Somefilename: I'm just worried about the fan going bad, which happened on my last laptop, became very very noisy
[02:17] <stian> hmm
[02:17] <Somefilename> stian, Chillout man.
[02:17] <cfraz89> stian?
[02:17] <stian> it's still running constantly
[02:17] <cfraz89> hmm
[02:17] <stian> there it stopped :P
[02:17] <stian> lets see now
[02:17] <cfraz89> did you say it was a pentium 4 m?
[02:17] <stian> yeah
[02:17] <stian> or maybe just pentium mobile
[02:17] <cfraz89> ok
[02:18] <cfraz89> pentium-m
[02:18] <cfraz89> is fan ok?
[02:18] <stian> hmm, it's about the same as before
[02:18] <cfraz89> hmm
[02:18] <cfraz89> check its speed
[02:18] <stian> how to do?
[02:18] <cfraz89> um
[02:18] <cfraz89> i think if you left click on the plug it says
[02:19] <stian> nah
[02:19] <stian> it says 99% CHARGED
[02:19] <cfraz89> hm
[02:19] <cfraz89> try
[02:19] <noteventime> !hlsl
[02:19] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, noteventime
[02:19] <noteventime> :(
[02:19] <stian> cfraz89: perhaps I'll try kpowersave, i've installed it now
[02:19] <noteventime> Is there any chance to get HLSL in linux?
[02:19] <cfraz89> ok
[02:20] <stian> cfraz89: how do I disable the kde default power management thing?
[02:20] <cfraz89> in the system settings
[02:20] <shreevatsa> Libertus: Thanks, it seems to have worked
[02:20] <cfraz89> press the checkbox that says show battery monitor
[02:20] <stian> aha
[02:20] <stian> that's it?
[02:20] <cfraz89> also make sure its not set to do anything
[02:21] <cfraz89> cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq
[02:21] <Libertus> shreevatsa: Glad to help.
[02:21] <cfraz89> see if that shows your top or min cpu speed
[02:21] <stian> 1600000
[02:21] <stian> that would be the top speed
[02:22] <cfraz89> so your cpu isnt throttling
[02:22] <stian> yeah
[02:22] <cfraz89> try setting your cpu to powersace
[02:22] <cfraz89> *powersave
[02:22] <stian> I've done that in the kde thing
[02:22] <stian> tried both powersave and ondemand
[02:22] <cfraz89> it still shows max cpu
[02:22] <stian> yeah
[02:23] <cfraz89> hm
[02:23] <cfraz89> cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies
[02:23] <stian> ah
[02:23] <cfraz89> ?
[02:23] <thor> stian: check lsmod for speedstep_centrino
[02:23] <stian> hmm
[02:23] <stian> cfraz89: I just set using kpowersave, and it was 600mhz
[02:24] <cfraz89> ah
[02:24] <cfraz89> cool
[02:24] <stian> available is 1600000 1400000 1200000 1000000<PHONE_NUMBER>00
[02:24] <cfraz89> so fan should shut off soon
[02:24] <cfraz89> if it stays at 600
[02:24] <stian> _but_ fan still going :P
[02:24] <cfraz89> it will keep going until cpu cools
[02:24] <cfraz89> then it shouldnt start for a while
[02:24] <cfraz89> my fan never runs while cpu is 600
[02:24] <cfraz89> give it a few minutes
[02:24] <stian> ok
[02:24] <stian> stopped
[02:25] <cfraz89> cool
[02:25] <stian> for five seconds
[02:25] <cfraz89> oh
[02:25] <stian> started again
[02:25] <stian> stopped again
[02:25] <stian> lol
[02:25] <cfraz89> is it still going at 600?
[02:25] <stian> yeah
[02:25] <cfraz89> lol your fan is nuts
[02:25] <stian> yeah
[02:25] <stian> i know :P
[02:25] <stian> started again
[02:26] <stian> okay, it stayed off a little longer this time
[02:26] <cfraz89> lol
[02:26] <stian> it's working it's way down from a near-meltdown :p
[02:26] <cfraz89> does it ever do this in windows?
[02:26] <cfraz89> lol
[02:26] <stian> nope, never has, which is what is so sad :(
[02:26] <cfraz89> ah
[02:26] <cfraz89> hmm
[02:26] <stian> I mean, two weeks ago EVERYTHING on this laptop got supported :D
[02:27] <stian> but the fan is annoying at best\
[02:27] <cfraz89> but it could be dangerous
[02:27] <cfraz89> my laptop gets up to like 85 degrees at full speed
[02:27] <cfraz89> i want a new one
[02:27] <cfraz89> the battery on this one died
[02:27] <cfraz89> it suddenly goes empty at 50%
[02:28] <cfraz89> thats the other thing
[02:28] <cfraz89> itll drain your battery like anything
[02:29] <stian> yeah, I used Linux alot on my last laptop
[02:29] <cfraz89> whoever wrote kompile deserves a medal
[02:29] <stian> the battery was dead after a little over a year :(
[02:29] <cfraz89> ok
[02:29] <cfraz89> because of linux?
[02:29] <stian> i figure because of overheating
[02:29] <cfraz89> you didnt set up power management on it?
[02:29] <stian> cause it was some amd athlon mobile thing
[02:29] <cfraz89> hmm
[02:29] <stian> I had no clue what to do :P
[02:29] <stian> that was my first laptop
[02:29] <cfraz89> most distroes set it up by default
[02:29] <cfraz89> oj
[02:30] <cfraz89> *oh
[02:30] <stian> so I never really thought about these things :P
[02:30] <cfraz89> ah
[02:30] <stian> and now, this is my second, and I'm possibly a little overprotective of my precious:)
[02:30] <cfraz89> yeah
[02:30] <cfraz89> its good idea
[02:31] <stian> because, I really start to get worried when the area where the bottom of my palms rests starts to get hot
[02:31] <cfraz89> yeah
[02:31] <cfraz89> thats bad
[02:31] <stian> btw, seems to be getting better now, fan going off more and more seldom and for a shorter time :)
[02:31] <cfraz89> cool
[02:31] <stian> yeah, i know :) which is what is keeping me in windows most of the time :(
[02:32] <cfraz89> thats what i was like when i first got this laptop
[02:32] <cfraz89> it nearly switched me to windows
[02:32] <stian> :S
[02:32] <cfraz89> till i got the cpu worked out
[02:33] <stian> yeah
[02:33] <stian> sadly I've got an attentionspan of a fiveyearold :P
[02:33] <stian> so it's into linux "bah didn't work yet" back into windows
[02:33] <cfraz89> oh
[02:34] <cfraz89> lol
[02:34] <stian> :P
[02:40] <stian> anyone know the magic trick to get Google Talk running in kopete?
[02:40] <stian> :P
[02:40] <cfraz89> not sure
[02:41] <stian> figured it out :)
[02:41] <stian> or rather, found info on the kde wiki
[02:42] <cfraz89> http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Google%20Talk%20support :)
[02:42] <stian> yeah :P
[02:42] <cfraz89> that was it i guess
[02:42] <stian> yup :P
[02:42] <stian> google is my friend :)
[02:43] <cfraz89> lol especially when your on google talk
[02:43] <stian> :P
[03:00] <ubuntu> hello world!
[03:01] <stian> Greetings
[03:01] <ubuntu> thanks
[03:01] <ubuntu> lol
[03:02] <ubuntu> i need some help!
[03:02] <ubuntu> with kubuntu
[03:02] <ronin_> Morning everyone
[03:02] <ubuntu> i can't open  ui3 files, what i need=
[03:04] <ronin_> ubuntu: wish I knew.
[03:04] <ronin_> I'm a newbie here too.
[03:04] <ubuntu> okay
[03:05] <ubuntu> XD
[03:05] <ronin_> I still don't have any sound :(
[03:05] <stian> what is a ui3 file?
[03:05] <ubuntu>  I don't know
[03:05] <stian> why do you want to open it?
[03:05] <ubuntu> it's a Game
[03:05] <stian> you downloaded a ui3 file?
[03:06] <ubuntu> yes!
[03:06] <ubuntu> AND I CAN'T OPEN IT
[03:06] <stian> kay
[03:06] <stian> no caps please
[03:06] <ubuntu> ok
[03:06] <stian> what game and where did you download it?
[03:07] <ubuntu> game is Iris and I dont remember where i download it
[03:07] <ubuntu> don't*
[03:09] <ubuntu> It's executable file!
[03:09] <stian> it's Ultima Iris?
[03:09] <ubuntu> yes
[03:09] <stian> is it a .tar file?
[03:09] <ubuntu> yeesbox
[03:10] <stian> what?
[03:10] <ubuntu> yes
[03:10] <stian> ok, so don't say you can't open ui3 files, when clearly the file is tar.
[03:10] <stian> what you need to do is as follows
[03:10] <stian> open a terminal
[03:10] <ubuntu> what is terminal?
[03:10] <ubuntu> sorry
[03:10] <ubuntu> i know
[03:11] <stian> hmm, okay, the application is called "Konsole" and you find it in the "System" folder in your program menu
[03:11] <stian> The website you got it from is http://iris.berlios.de/index.php
[03:12] <stian> Which is where you should seek help after having untarred this game
[03:13] <ubuntu> tahnks!
[03:13] <stian> I apologize for my cranky mood :)
[03:14] <ronin_> Is there anyone who could offer a little advice on a sound related issue?
[03:16] <ronin_> For some reason, linux has decided to use my onboard sound instead of my Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS
[03:16] <cfraz89> new nvidia drivers!
[03:16] <cfraz89> finally support suspend to disk
[03:17] <cfraz89> wonder how long before it is added to dapper multiverse
[03:17] <stian> :o
[03:17] <ronin_> Hey Cfraz, what's this multiverse everyone is talking about?
[03:17] <ronin_> I hear you can get all kinds of packages there, if you config adept correctly.
[03:18] <cfraz89> its just another repository
[03:18] <cfraz89> with the non-free software
[03:18] <cfraz89> would you like to add it?
[03:19] <ronin_> Yes please. I'm using Kubuntu Dapper Flight 6, if it matters
[03:19] <cfraz89> ok
[03:20] <cfraz89> in adept go to view -> manage repositories
[03:21] <cfraz89> then find the entries that say universe
[03:21] <cfraz89> right click on them and press clone
[03:21] <cfraz89> then on the cloned one change universe to multiverse
[03:21] <cfraz89> then press apply
[03:21] <cfraz89> then fetch updates
[03:21] <cfraz89> then your all good
[03:22] <ronin_> All the ones that say universe are grayed out
[03:23] <cfraz89> you dont have universe enabled?
[03:23] <cfraz89> your in for a treat
[03:23] <cfraz89> right click on them and enable them
[03:23] <ronin_> I see dapper and dapper security
[03:23] <cfraz89> ok
[03:23] <cfraz89> right click on the grey universe ones and press enable
[03:24] <ronin_> Done. I did both the deb and deb-src ones
[03:24] <cfraz89> yep
[03:24] <cfraz89> dont forget to press apply
[03:25] <cfraz89> then fetch updates
[03:25] <cfraz89> most of the software is in universe
[03:25] <stian> :P
[03:25] <ronin_> Should I also clone and make a multiverse too?
[03:26] <stian> there should be a package called "xubuntu-desktop-remove" removing all the apps xubuntu installs :P same for kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop
[03:26] <cfraz89> yes
[03:26] <stian> so that when I figure out "Hey, I didn't want ubuntu, I want kubuntu, I can remove gnome stuff that is in the way
[03:27] <cfraz89> clone the universe ones and change universe to multiverse
[03:28] <ronin_> All of them?Or just one?  I mean, should I make a multiverse for deb and deb-src?
[03:28] <cfraz89> yes both :)
[03:28] <cfraz89> but you probably wont need the src
[03:28] <stian> hmm, probably not yeah
[03:28] <cfraz89> but its good to have it
[03:28] <ronin_> Okay. Thanks.
[03:29] <cfraz89> np
[03:29] <cfraz89> this is so much better than mandriva
[03:29] <stian> Anyone know how to get firefox to open m3u's and audio files in amaroK instead of Totem?
[03:29] <stian> hehe
[03:29] <stian> cfraz89: you've used mandriva alto?
[03:29] <stian> s/alto/alot
[03:29] <cfraz89> yeah
[03:30] <cfraz89> since 9.0
[03:30] <cfraz89> to 2006.0
[03:30] <stian> ah
[03:30] <ronin_> Alright, looks like I need to reboot or something. Adept is giving me an error message about how I won't be able to do anything because some other instance is using the package repository
[03:30] <cfraz89> when they fired Gael i decided to switch
[03:30] <stian> I used redhat/fedora until fedora 1
[03:30] <ronin_> Back in a moment
[03:30] <cfraz89> ok
[03:30] <cfraz89> ah
[03:30] <stian> then I just started distro-hopping until I found ubuntu :P
[03:30] <cfraz89> lol
[03:30] <cfraz89> didnt like fedora?
[03:30] <stian> nah, it got "boring"
[03:31] <cfraz89> boring?
[03:31] <stian> i mean, it wasn't any good and stable since red hat 7,3 with gnome 1.4
[03:31] <cfraz89> ahh
[03:31] <cfraz89> lol
[03:31] <cfraz89> i used fc4 for a while
[03:31] <stian> gnome 1.4 rocked :P
[03:31] <cfraz89> it started falling apart for no reason
[03:31] <cfraz89> i never used it lol
[03:31] <stian> I remember spending ages with my dialup downloading it
[03:31] <cfraz89> been with kde since 3.0
[03:32] <stian> and I remember the phonebill afterwards :P
[03:32] <cfraz89> lol
[03:32] <cfraz89> same
[03:32] <cfraz89> upgrading every kde release on dialup
[03:32] <stian> hmm, yeah, I think mandrake 9 had kde3
[03:32] <cfraz89> yeah
[03:32] <stian> mandrake 8 had kde2 as far as I remember
[03:32] <cfraz89> yeah
[03:32] <cfraz89> its funny to see how far linux has come
[03:33] <cfraz89> hi ronin
[03:33] <ronin_> Hiya.
[03:33] <stian> yeah, I remember installing redhat 6 on my pentium 90 :P
[03:33] <ronin_> Hmm...seems that didn't help. Kubuntu must have saved whatever was causing the problem along with the session
[03:34] <cfraz89> try running ksysguard under kdesu
[03:34] <cfraz89> and kill all the adepts
[03:34] <ronin_> Type that in the konsole? kdesu ksysguard   ?
[03:34] <cfraz89> yeah
[03:35] <nico8481> hi
[03:35] <cfraz89> hi
[03:35] <ronin_> There are no adepts, but there is an adept notifier
[03:35] <cfraz89> hmm
[03:35] <cfraz89> thats ok
[03:35] <cfraz89> adept still doesnt run?
[03:36] <ronin_> It still runs, just in read only mode.
[03:36] <cfraz89> hmm
[03:36] <cfraz89> is dpkg running?
[03:36] <ronin_> Last time I did the adept update (from the ! in the systray), there were some errors. Maybe that has something to do with it?
[03:36] <cfraz89> i dont think so
[03:37] <cfraz89> i got the errors too
[03:37] <cfraz89> about 3 packages wouldnt update?
[03:37] <ronin_> dpkg? nope. none of htose
[03:37] <ronin_> I don't remember a number, but yeah.
[03:37] <cfraz89> hm
[03:38] <cfraz89> sorry im not really sure
[03:39] <ronin_> Not sure what the issue is.  I have Kopete, Konversation, and the shell open.
[03:39] <cfraz89> maybe you could try removing adept
[03:39] <cfraz89> reboot
[03:39] <cfraz89> and reinstall
[03:39] <cfraz89> at worst case
[03:39] <cfraz89> sorry
[03:39] <noteventime> stypid OGRE3D!!!
[03:39] <ronin_> Is there anyway to reboot and make sure it doesn't save the session? Like, reboot clean?
[03:39] <ronin_> Stop running processes and that sort of thing.
[03:40] <cfraz89> noteventime: are you useing ogre?
[03:40] <noteventime> Could somone try to help me compiling this engine, it can't find the CEGUI headers but I'm sure I have them installed
[03:40] <LeeJunFan> ugh, no matter what I do fglrxinfo says I'm running mesa GL :(
[03:40] <cfraz89> umm
[03:40] <cfraz89> i think theres an option
[03:40] <noteventime> And pkg-config --cflags CEGUI gives the right output
[03:41] <noteventime> !i810
[03:41] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, noteventime
[03:41] <cfraz89> ahh
[03:41] <cfraz89> user acount
[03:41] <cfraz89> then session manager
[03:43] <xwolf-> is it possible to set X server (not kde) to boot up num-lock?
[03:43] <ronin_> Aha! Got it. I'll try that
[03:43] <ronin_> I'll start with an empty session
[03:43] <ronin_> brb
[03:43] <noteventime> Isn't there something you can add to xorg.conf, in the keyboard section
[03:45] <apokryphos> xwolf-: install numlockx
[03:46] <apokryphos> xwolf-: oh no, wait, there's an easier way.
[03:46] <apokryphos> control center -> peripherals -> keyboard Numlock on KDE startup
[03:47] <cfraz89> can someone please tell ronin when he gets back i had to go
[03:47] <cfraz89> and that im sorry
[03:47] <xwolf-> apokryphos kde already does that
[03:47] <xwolf-> BUT, in login screen, num-lock is still not on
[03:47] <apokryphos> ohh
[03:47] <xwolf-> and i have to turn it on to type my password
[03:48] <apokryphos> hm
[03:48] <xwolf-> so i thought: i X boots up num-lock, it would be on before the login screen
[03:48] <xwolf-> and i could type the pass in the numpad.
[03:48] <n3x^> downloaded amd64 dapper 5.1 - i get /dev/ram does not exist error when trying to install
[03:48] <n3x^> ne ideas?
[03:49] <apokryphos> xwolf-: well, with the above package you could just get it to type  /usr/bin/numlockx on     ..on startup
[03:49] <apokryphos> and that'd work
[03:49] <ronin_> bah.  Thanks for trying
[03:50] <xwolf-> ok
[03:50] <cfraz89> i have to go now
[03:50] <cfraz89> cya
[03:50] <cfraz89> good luck with adept
[03:50] <ronin_> Uh, anyone tell me how I can do that without royally messing up my packaging?
[03:50] <cfraz89> really wierd problem
[03:50] <cfraz89> i dont think anything depends on adept
[03:50] <cfraz89> its just a frontend
[03:51] <jpatrick> kubuntu-desktop maybe
[03:51] <cfraz89> it got removed from my comp last upgrade
[03:51] <cfraz89> i had to reinstall it manually
[03:51] <cfraz89> or try removing it forcing no dep checking
[03:51] <cfraz89> and then reboot
[03:52] <ronin_> How would I uninstall and reinstall it? I know there's the add/remove programs.
[03:52] <cfraz89> then sudo apt-get-instal adept
[03:52] <n3x^> downloaded amd64 dapper 5.1 - i get /dev/ram does not exist error when trying to install -- help :[
[03:52] <ronin_> Man. I can't even use the add/remove programs - same error.
[03:52] <cfraz89> does apt-get work?
[03:53] <teclo> Hello, how can I tell kubuntu to open movies in xine, and not in kaffeine ?
[03:53] <ronin_> It asks for parameters, but yeah it seems to
[03:53] <cfraz89> right ok
[03:53] <cfraz89> sorry im not sure
[03:53] <cfraz89> gtg now
[03:53] <cfraz89> good luck
[03:53] <ronin_> See ya cfraz. Thanks for trying
[03:53] <cfraz89> sorry about the mess
[03:56] <noteventime> make `pkg-config --cflags CEGUI`
[03:56] <noteventime> Shoudln't this tell g++ to look in the right dir?
[03:56] <noteventime> I'm still pretty new to the gnu make syste,
[04:02] <delonnor> i seem to have a problem... i am trying to compile mplayer, but during the configuration, it cannot seem to find my inttypes.h (i cannot either, to be quite honest), where do i find it?
[04:08] <sredna> How do I find out which packages installed a file f?
[04:12] <bimberi> sredna: dpkg -S /path/to/file
[04:12] <sredna> bimberi: Thank you :)
[04:13] <bimberi> sredna: yw :)
[04:13] <steveire> On windows i could refresh my firefox cache with ctrl+f5. In linux that doesn't seem to work.
[04:13] <bimberi> !mplayer
[04:13] <ubotu> [mplayer]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[04:13] <steveire> !firefox
[04:14] <sredna> delonnor: Anders@pluto ~ $ dpkg -S /usr/include/inttypes.h
[04:14] <sredna> libc6-dev: /usr/include/inttypes.h
[04:14] <sredna> Not that suprising ;)
[04:14] <bimberi> :)
[04:15] <steveire> refresh firefox cache. Any ideas?
[04:23] <inc|freaky> hi all. im trying to get ubuntu running on my laptop. but it hangs at "starting hotplug" now i know i have to write something into a file on the harddrive. (blacklist) when rebooting in rescue mode with the CD, and trying to mount the HDD, it says: mounting failed: invalid argument. i did: mount -t ext3 /dev/sda3 /target/ can someone help me please?
[04:26] <noteventime> hmmm
[04:26] <noteventime> try -text3
[04:26] <Batusaky> re all
[04:26] <Batusaky> hy all
[04:26] <noteventime> 'ello
[04:27] <noteventime> inc|freaky, from what I can see it looks correct :S
[04:28] <AljoshaNL> how can I import evolution data into Kontact?
[04:28] <noteventime> Have you checked that both the /target folder and the sda3 device file exist?
[04:28] <inc|freaky> noteventime: :((
[04:30] <chouette> hi
[04:30] <noteventime> 'elllo
[04:30] <chouette> !diskmounter
[04:30] <ubotu> methinks diskmounter is to automatically mount your ntfs, fat32 or hfs+ drives, download and read http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/diskmounter
[04:30] <noteventime> inc|freaky, check that the device file exist and that the folder you are mountung to exists
[04:31] <noteventime> sorry gtg
[04:31] <steveire> that thing is handy
[04:31] <inc|freaky> noteventime_bbl: it exists
[04:46] <AljoshaNL> im leaving see you
[04:47] <inc|freaky> im installing kubuntu but it keeps saying: cannot load default config file when it installs fonts :(
[04:47] <inc|freaky> ah now it works
[04:53] <_admin> hola
[04:54] <_admin> algun tigre que me pueda ayudar
[04:54] <Kyral> !es
[04:54] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[04:56] <_admin> a
[04:56] <_admin> mi nombre es eddy
[05:06] <_admin> quien sabe como arreglar un paquete roto manualmente
[05:07] <noteventime> !es
[05:07] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[05:08] <gochoo> Hi all!
[05:08] <gochoo> I need a windows tool that sends console commands to kubuntu, and recieves console output from it
[05:08] <gochoo> Does anyone know a way to do this???
[05:15] <kenshirou> Heh. if it fails. Reformat. Adept works fine now, for the moment
[05:16] <kenshirou> Anyone available to help with a sound problem?
[05:16] <Kyral> !sound
[05:16] <ubotu> sound is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[05:22] <kenshirou> Hmmm... well, it seems like both my onboard sound hardware and my Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS are detected
[05:23] <kenshirou> but for whatever reason, I can't get the Audigy to work. Nothing comes out.
[05:23] <bsm> bullshit, never touch a running system
[05:23] <kenshirou> Say what not?
[05:23] <kenshirou> *now
[05:24] <stian_> hmm, how can I play mp3 in amaroK?
[05:24] <noteventime> !mp3
[05:24] <Glin|Jol> Winamp not Running
[05:24] <ubotu> mp3 is probably a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:25] <stian_> thanks :)
[05:25] <noteventime> np :)
[05:25] <_frank> gochoo: setup a ssh server on kubuntu. and use a ssh client (putty) on windows
[05:25] <noteventime> !tell stian_ about easyubuntu
[05:25] <stian_> nooooo
[05:25] <noteventime> ?
[05:25] <stian_> :P
[05:26] <stian_> hmm
[05:26] <stian> no nothing, just a pm, and a pm with spam for something I don't really need _too_ much
[05:27] <noteventime> It was me
[05:27] <kenshirou> Aha! Sound!
[05:27] <stian> yes I know, I saw you asking ubotu to tell me about it ;)
[05:27] <kenshirou> Woo. Quiet sound, but its a start :)
[05:28] <ehj> Hi! I get an error when aptitude update/upgrade. It says (among other things) "/usr/share/doc-base/kubuntu-adept: cannot open control file for reading: No such file or directory"
[05:29] <kenshirou> Holy crap. Okay, anyone else using a 5.1 analog set of speakers?
[05:29] <ehj> anyone interested in the whole error message?
[05:29] <noteventime> ehj, I have the same problem
[05:29] <ehj> noteventime: can you solve it?
[05:29] <noteventime> no :P
[05:30] <ehj> noteventime: want to see my output?
[05:31] <noteventime> sure :D
[05:32] <ehj> sorry for that...
[05:32] <noteventime> what?
[05:32] <ehj> I tried to open a conversation woth you, but I have forgot my pw
[05:33] <gochoo> _frank, are you there?
[05:33] <noteventime> I didn't even notice :)
[05:33] <kenshirou> !mp3
[05:33] <Glin|Jol> Winamp not Running
[05:33] <ubotu> rumour has it, mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:33] <_frank> gochoo: yeah
[05:33] <ehj> noteventime: good ;-)
[05:34] <ehj> noteventime: there was 10 times "Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems"
[05:34] <noteventime> :)
[05:34] <gochoo> my kubuntu is connected so router and has local IP, will it work in this situation?
[05:34] <gochoo> I mean it is connected to internet through router
[05:34] <_frank> gochoo: is the windows computer in this local network as well? or outside?
[05:35] <gochoo> _frank: outside
[05:35] <ehj> noteventime: did you try to create this "controlefile" /usr/share/doc-base/kubuntu-adept ?
[05:36] <_frank> gochoo: you will have to forward the ssh port (I forget which one it is) in the router to the kubuntu PC.
[05:36] <noteventime> How do I create a controlefile? :D I don't even know what that is :P
[05:36] <kenshirou> Hey guys. A question about gstreamer - anyone familiar with it?
[05:36] <Kyral> Depends
[05:36] <ehj> noteventime: the error message says it tries to open a controle file
[05:36] <noteventime> I know
[05:36] <_frank> gochoo: and if you want the port forwarding to work all the time, you have to use a static IP for the kubuntu PC. not DHCP
[05:36] <noteventime> kenshirou, ask and you will see :D
[05:37] <steveire> REM: don't ask to ask
[05:37] <ehj> noteventime: if you find a solution, I'd be happy to get a mail from you<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:37] <kenshirou> I'm using Kubuntu Dapper 6, and have enabled the multiverses.  I'm looking at the packages, and I'm not sure if I should get .10  or .8
[05:38] <gochoo> _frank: hmm, ok, i got it. Is there anything like remote help, which asks permission through chat like program and connects.
[05:38] <noteventime> sure
[05:38] <gochoo> _frank: I just need to send commant to console and recieve output from that console
[05:38] <kenshirou> I'm basically trying to get MP3 playback in amarok and everything else, reading the wiki.
[05:39] <noteventime> !mp3
[05:39] <Glin|Jol> Winamp not Running
[05:39] <ubotu> I guess mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:39] <noteventime> You checked that one
[05:39] <kenshirou> Yah. That's the one.
[05:39] <noteventime> ok
[05:39] <noteventime> You run breezy?
[05:39] <me2win> kenshirou: after you install gstreamer, you have to make sure to change the engine in amarok to gstreamer
[05:40] <noteventime> ehj, I just uninstall them :)
[05:40] <kenshirou> I'm on Dapper.  :)
[05:40] <_frank> gochoo: um. there are remote desktop applications. but they need to be setup as well. ssh would be the simplest way for console only. I don't think you can avoid the port forwarding issue.
[05:40] <kenshirou> I'll remember that me2win.
[05:40] <noteventime> kenshirou, Why don't you use xine?
[05:40] <_frank> gochoo: I don't know of anything like remote help (like in MSN)
[05:40] <kenshirou> Uh... I don't know how, really.
[05:40] <ehj> noteventime: uninstall adept?
[05:41] <noteventime> No kubuntu-docs
[05:41] <noteventime> gochoo, you could use vnc
[05:41] <ehj> noteventime: ok. thanks!
[05:41] <noteventime> np :)
[05:41] <gochoo> _frank: well thanks for your help, i'll try ssh and port forwarding
[05:41] <kenshirou> Kubuntu doesn't seem to have it natively.  I though Xine was primarily for video anyway?
[05:41] <me2win> noteventime: they still havent fixed that?
[05:41] <gochoo> noteventime: what is that vnc?
[05:42] <noteventime> Like remote desktop
[05:42] <noteventime> me2win. no :)
[05:42] <gochoo> hmmm
[05:42] <gochoo> will it work from windows to kubuntu?
[05:42] <noteventime> I don't know, I think s
[05:42] <noteventime> o
[05:42] <me2win> gochoo: i think tight vnc works to windows
[05:43] <gochoo> i need to connect to kubuntu from windows
[05:43] <me2win> ssh :D
[05:43] <noteventime> gochoo, I would say vncserver if you need graphical or ssh with putty if console is enough
[05:43] <gochoo> me2win: yeah it seems ssh is right choice for me :)
[05:44] <me2win> gochoo: like noteventime said, ssh if you dont need gui
[05:44] <gochoo> luckuly, i don't need gui
[05:44] <noteventime> Then ssh is fast and nice
[05:45] <me2win> indeed
[05:45] <me2win> ssh ftw
[05:45] <noteventime> ssh is fun
[05:45] <noteventime> esp if two people are connected at the same time using the same user :P
[05:45] <gochoo> :)
[05:45] <_frank> gochoo's ssh server would be behind a router. what is the port to forward?
[05:45] <me2win> 222
[05:45] <me2win> 22*
[05:45] <me2win> lol
[05:46] <noteventime> 22 is standard :)
[05:46] <gochoo> ok, thanks
[05:47] <me2win> noteventime: if i uninstall kubuntu-docs will my installs work temporarily>
[05:47] <noteventime> Works for me :)
[05:47] <noteventime> Right now anyway ^^
[05:48] <me2win> hheh
[05:48] <kenshirou> Alright. Excellent MP3 support!
[05:50] <noteventime> kenshirou, have you tried xine?
[05:50] <noteventime> with libxine-extracodecs
[05:50] <kenshirou> I'm not sure how to get xine.
[05:50] <kenshirou> Is the the xine-ui package?
[05:51] <me2win> uhhh
[05:51] <noteventime> just install libxine and amarok-xine
[05:52] <noteventime> should be done automaticaly by dapper install
[05:52] <kenshirou> Libxine-main1 is installed
[05:52] <kenshirou> so is libxine-extracodecs
[05:53] <noteventime> then just install amarok-xine
[05:53] <kenshirou> That's installed too.
[05:53] <kenshirou> Will that allow amarok to play video as well? or just audio?
[05:54] <me2win> amarok is audio only
[05:54] <noteventime> kaffeine is one of the best video players anyway :)
[05:54] <kenshirou> Ahh. I see. So use Kaffeine for video?
[05:55] <noteventime> yes
[05:55] <noteventime> Thats what i do anyway :D
[05:55] <noteventime> If you have amarok-xine it should use xine :)
[05:55] <noteventime> check in the settings dialog
[05:56] <kenshirou> It is using xine - though I'm not sure exactly what that means. I thought xine was a video playing engine
[05:56] <kenshirou> Is it some kind of backend that all the other media players interface with?
[05:57] <me2win> yyou might just have to leave it as xine and switch the output plugin to alsa
[05:57] <burepe> !codecs
[05:57] <ubotu> Binary only codecs (such as w32codecs) can be downloaded from plf or cipherfunk, see !easysource for details on these repositories
[05:57] <me2win> actually nevermind, just leave it at autodetect
[05:57] <noteventime> both xine and gstreamer play both video and audio
[05:57] <noteventime> I use arts
[05:57] <noteventime> I think
[05:58] <burepe> what are the codex packages I need. I have the sources enabled
[05:58] <me2win> w32codecs
[05:58] <noteventime> w32codecs?
[05:58] <me2win> it isnt in the repos though
[05:58] <noteventime> you need plf repos
[05:58] <kenshirou> Hey, can Kaffeine play Matroska and Ogg video? Soft subtitles?
[05:58] <noteventime> burepe, depends what you want to play
[05:59] <noteventime> kenshirou, I think so
[05:59] <kenshirou> Great!
[05:59] <noteventime> I've had problems with matroska though, trying to play boogiepop phantom
[05:59] <noteventime> That was some time ago though
[06:00] <burepe> xvid
[06:00] <noteventime> breezy or dapper?
[06:00] <burepe> breezy
[06:00] <kenshirou> oooh. it seems to play xvid/mp3 audio just fine so far
[06:01] <noteventime> gstreamer0.8-xvid
[06:01] <noteventime> burepe, gstreamer0.8-xvid
[06:01] <kenshirou> !mp3
[06:01] <Glin|Jol> Winamp not Running
[06:01] <ubotu> [mp3]  a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:01] <noteventime> Thats breezy only :)
[06:02] <noteventime> asaik
[06:02] <kenshirou> Using the apt get for all restricted formats, it gave me Xvid support, as well as MP3. The Dapper block of code there.
[06:02] <me2win> !ask opera
[06:02] <ubotu> me2win: No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:02] <noteventime> burepe, You might also consider to use xine :)
[06:03] <kenshirou> Oh, I have to say one really, really good thing about Dapper 6.
[06:03] <kenshirou> It detected by NTFS USB drive partitions.
[06:04] <kenshirou> Flawlessly mounts them
[06:07] <Danny> whats a good ftp client for kubuntu?
[06:08] <Kyral> kftp?
[06:08] <Kyral> or Konqueror in and of itself
[06:08] <Danny> ah
[06:08] <Danny> is there filezilla for kubuntu?
[06:08] <Kyral> whats FileZilla?
[06:08] <Danny> its an ftp client for windows
[06:08] <noteventime> Danny, not yet
[06:08] <Danny> thanks
[06:08] <kenshirou> Filezilla is an FTP client. Open source if I'm right
[06:08] <noteventime> They are working on a linux version though
[06:09] <Kyral> just use the commandline ftp client
[06:09] <Kyral> I mean it works fine
[06:09] <noteventime> gftp
[06:09] <noteventime> is nice
[06:09] <Kyral> meh, GUI people
[06:09] <Danny> what does this mean?
[06:09] <Danny> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[06:09] <Kyral> you need to sudo it
[06:09] <tarmath> Danny: konqueror can be an ftp client...
[06:09] <Kyral> !sudo
[06:09] <ubotu> somebody said sudo was a command that will let users run commands as root. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[06:09] <Danny> I know
[06:09] <Danny> oh yeah
[06:09] <noteventime> Danny, You have adept or synaptic runnung?
[06:09] <Danny> forgot about that part
[06:10] <Danny> I'm so used to being logged in as root
[06:10] <Kyral> ...
[06:10] <Kyral> Danny
[06:10] <Kyral> NOT GOOD!!
[06:10] <Danny> I know
[06:10] <Danny> thats why I had to reinstall yesterday
[06:10] <Danny> now I'm logged in as reg
[06:10] <HappyAsh> I can't seem to play media files..  I was able to listen to mp3s with flashplayer.. but now I seemed to have forked that up too.
[06:11] <noteventime> HappyAsh, Dapper or breexy?
[06:11] <noteventime> breezy*
[06:11] <patrix> hmmm
[06:11] <patrix> how can I permanently set the default mixer channel in kmix ?
[06:12] <patrix> it's always defaulting to my USB headset's main volume when I start KDE
[06:12] <patrix> I want it set to my suondcard's PCM insteaf
[06:12] <patrix> instead
[06:12] <HappyAsh> dapper or breezy?  I'm such a novice.. I don't know what that means
[06:12] <noteventime> 5.10 or 6.04?
[06:12] <patrix> I'm using dapper
[06:12] <noteventime> ok
[06:12] <noteventime> dapper is 6.04
[06:12] <patrix> 6.06 actually
[06:12] <HappyAsh> oh.. I'm using breezy
[06:12] <noteventime> :)
[06:12] <HappyAsh> sorry
[06:13] <noteventime> np :
[06:13] <noteventime> )
[06:13] <HappyAsh> 5.10
[06:13] <noteventime> !mp3
[06:13] <Glin|Jol> Winamp not Running
[06:13] <ubotu> hmm... mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:13] <Zarephath> Morning...I was setting up printer serving on breezy ppc using the print system menu...however when I look from my windows machine to the print server using add printer it doesn't list my kubuntu box? Is it necessary to use smb printing, or should the print system configuration let me add the printer on my windows box?
[06:13] <Danny> does anyone use thunderbird/firefox?
[06:13] <noteventime> kbear is buggy :/
[06:13] <HappyAsh> ok
[06:13] <Danny> oh
[06:13] <Danny> hmm
[06:13] <burepe> !restricted formats
[06:13] <ubotu> somebody said restricted formats was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[06:13] <noteventime> Zerephath, I think you need smb
[06:13] <elijahlofgren> noteventime: Konqueror works as a great FTP client.
[06:13] <noteventime> Yes
[06:14] <noteventime> I always forget that X-D
[06:14] <noteventime> gftp is nice too
[06:14] <noteventime> If you  want two panes
[06:14] <Danny> should I set up a firewall here?
[06:15] <noteventime> links -dump www.kubuntu.org | cowsay
[06:15] <elijahlofgren> noteventime: Konqueror can do 2 panes or 8 or whatever you want.
[06:15] <noteventime> It can, I didn't know that
[06:15] <noteventime> how?
[06:15] <Hirvinen> noteventime: Konqueror gives ~arbitrary amount of panels in an ~arbitrary amount of tabs, all of them accessing remote filesystem with different protocols.
[06:15] <elijahlofgren> noteventime: Right click on the status bar at the bottom of Konqueror and choose "Split view left/right"
[06:15] <Hirvinen> +s
[06:15] <noteventime> Cool, like blender :)
[06:16] <elijahlofgren> noteventime: Yeah, Konqueror's pretty nifty.
[06:16] <Danny> brb
[06:16] <noteventime> Now that I disabled ipv6 its also ok as a web browser
[06:17] <tristanmike> elijahlofgren: you are my hero no =)
[06:17] <tristanmike> now
[06:18] <tristanmike> I had lost all hope that Konqueror could do the split view thing :)
[06:20] <HappyAsh> ok.. so I went to install this gstreamer0.8-mad and it gave me errors
[06:20] <HappyAsh> Package gstreamer0.8-mad is not available, but is referred to by another package
[06:20] <HappyAsh> that's just mean, man
[06:21] <noteventime> HappyAsh, Have you enabled universe?
[06:21] <noteventime> !multiverse
[06:21] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[06:21] <elijahlofgren> back, got knocked offline because it started raining and I'm on satellite.
[06:21] <HappyAsh> ok.. thanks
[06:21] <elijahlofgren> tristanmike: Are you the mike that emailed me? (I only got your 1st 2 messages)
[06:26] <tristanmike> elijahlofgren: ....emailed...no not me
[06:26] <Danny> anyone use amaroK?
[06:26] <Danny> how do I go to the next song
[06:26] <noteventime> ?
[06:26] <Danny> with  a keyboard shortcut
[06:26] <tristanmike> WIN Key + B
[06:27] <elijahlofgren> tristanmike: How did I help you then?
[06:27] <Zarephath> Anyone setup a print server using a windows client to print from?
[06:27] <Danny> and whats pause and previous?
[06:27] <noteventime> I can't install amarok any more :O
[06:27] <noteventime> Shit
[06:28] <tristanmike> elijahlofgren: oh, I had lost all hope that knoq could do the split view while changing the sides independently, iirc Midnight Commander changes both sides at the same time so I can't have /home open on one side and /usr open on the other :P
[06:28] <noteventime> amarok: Depends: libmysqlclient15 (>= 5.0.15-1) but it is not going to be installed
[06:28] <noteventime> Could someone help me to get amarok back X-D
[06:29] <elijahlofgren> tristanmike: Oh, ok, cool. Glad I helped you.
[06:29] <klugez> Danny: start amarok, and in the menus Configure -> Configure shortcuts
[06:29] <klugez> or so, i'm not having english amarok now
[06:30] <noteventime> I want amarok :(
[06:30] <klugez> Danny: oh, it's global shortcuts apparently
[06:30] <kenshirou> Does anyone know if Dapper has NTFS write capability?
[06:31] <Danny> kk thanks
[06:31] <tristanmike> kenshirou: no distro of linux has the complete saftey of writing to NTFS iirc
[06:31] <elijahlofgren> noteventime: What error do you get?
[06:31] <Danny> tristanmike, why not?
[06:31] <kenshirou> But they can resize NTFS partitions, and create new FAT32 ones?
[06:32] <Danny> yes
[06:32] <tristanmike> Fat 32 is ok, but ntfs is still sketchy
[06:32] <stian> hmm, is there any decent SIP client for kde?
[06:32] <Danny> stoopid microsoft
[06:32] <cvasilak> hello there, i am trying to run X programs in a su environment but i get (can't connect to X server), what should I do?
[06:32] <tristanmike> because it hasn't been fully reversed engineered yet
[06:32] <kenshirou> Okay. got it.
[06:32] <tristanmike> ntfs that is
[06:33] <noteventime> elijahlofgren:  amarok: Depends: libmysqlclient15 (>= 5.0.15-1) but it is not going to be installed
[06:33] <HappyAsh> Package gstreamer0.8-mad is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[06:33] <HappyAsh> maybe I screwed something up in Adept.. I'll do it again
[06:33] <kenshirou> I'm attempting to build my Amarok media collection and a lot of it is on a mounted USB volume that is NTFS. Where should I tell it to look. On my desktop there are the voume names and whatnot
[06:33] <elijahlofgren> noteventime: Are you on Dapper or Breezy?
[06:33] <noteventime> dapper
[06:34] <noteventime> libmysqlclient15 conflikts with qt4 and a lot of others
[06:34] <viator> what do you think of mepis using ubuntu as its base?
[06:35] <Danny> whats so complicated about ntfs..just wondering?
[06:35] <viator> theres no REAL documentation about ntfs
[06:35] <viator> so its hard to reverse enginner
[06:35] <noteventime> Hehe, hope EU makes them release some >:-D
[06:36] <viator> i guess the only thing they can look at are api calls
[06:36] <Danny> go to MS headquartess and take it
[06:36] <Danny> wait.
[06:36] <Danny> then how can linux read ntfs?
[06:36] <viator> danny reverse engineering
[06:36] <noteventime> reverse engineering calls in windows i guess
[06:36] <Danny> isn't that illegal? (sorry for being stupid..)
[06:36] <pussfeller> reading is easier cause to write, theres a complex database-type thingee that has to be updated as well
[06:36] <tristanmike> Danny: reading is much easier than writing...when you read you don't have to alter any blocks on the hard disk or the filesystem
[06:37] <viator> not really
[06:37] <elijahlofgren> noteventime: Have you run "apt-get update" recently? It looks like I have libmysqlclient15off installed but not libmysqlclient15. I have amarok 2:1.3.9-0ubuntu2 installed.
[06:37] <viator> but it hasnt really been tested in a court of law
[06:37] <Danny> ah
[06:37] <pussfeller> if you wanna write safely, theres an ntfs port to fusefs
[06:37] <noteventime> elijahlofgren, i made update a few minutes ago, I'm running amarok 1.4 beta2
[06:37] <noteventime> or rather was running
[06:37] <Danny> to learn about kubuntu
[06:38] <noteventime> :)
[06:38] <tristanmike> the channel is glad to have you Danny :)
[06:38] <noteventime> I have libmysqlclient15off installed too
[06:38] <viator> danny plust resiser4 or even ext3 are better than ntfs anyway
[06:38] <cvasilak> does the shutdown usplash working on you guys?
[06:38] <noteventime> yes
[06:38] <Danny> yeah..
[06:38] <pussfeller> ya know, when you try to unmount a storage device, the  error box should include a parse of lsof and tell you what application is using the drive making it unable to safely remove
[06:38] <Danny> but I need windows for a few things also
[06:39] <Danny> dunno if my printer works with kubuntu
[06:39] <pussfeller> like a "more info" as that could take a long time
[06:39] <viator> like what
[06:39] <viator> goto the cups page
[06:39] <viator> see if its listed
[06:39] <Danny> should i try connecting it?
[06:39] <tsdgeos> go to linuxprinting.org better
[06:39] <kenshirou> Heh.  amaroK is like iTunes but without the suck
[06:39] <viator> if it isnt i can gurantee iturboprint will have drivers
[06:39] <noteventime> Danny, sure
[06:40] <Danny> nothing happened..
[06:40] <noteventime> danny, Why do you need windows?
[06:40] <tristanmike> kenshirou: lol
[06:40] <Danny> to print
[06:40] <Danny> and for some reason WINE isn't working
[06:40] <Danny> its giving me a kernel32.dll error
[06:40] <Danny> is there a task manager in kubuntu?
[06:40] <noteventime> Like ctrl + alt + del?
[06:41] <Danny> yea
[06:41] <noteventime> Yes
[06:41] <noteventime> ksystemguard
[06:41] <pussfeller> or ps aux in a terminal
[06:41] <kenshirou> I used to use winamp back in windows. Can AmaroK get to the same shoutcast streams?
[06:41] <viator> bum is cool too
[06:41] <viator> boot up manager
[06:41] <TheNightRider``> hey all
[06:41] <noteventime> kenshirou, I think so, you could try songbird otherwise
[06:41] <kenshirou> Hiya Nightrider.
[06:41] <viator> you can control what loads at boot from the gui
[06:42] <noteventime> Don't know if the linux release is finished yet though
[06:42] <viator> i gues like the way msconfig works?
[06:42] <Danny> the printer settings
[06:42] <Danny> kinda froze
[06:42] <Danny> which process is that?
[06:42] <noteventime> Don't know, I don't have a printer
[06:42] <viator> well depends
[06:42] <viator> it might cuspsys
[06:43] <kenshirou> Sweet! Native Japanese support!
[06:43] <viator> what is your printer modekl
[06:43] <TheNightRider``> kenshirou
[06:43] <TheNightRider``> you know japanese?
[06:43] <pussfeller> with a printer you have to click on that little wrench and peripherials, printers, then maybe admin mode
[06:43] <kenshirou> Display support anyway.
[06:43] <kenshirou> A little bit.
[06:43] <viator> gijen
[06:44] <viator> or howver its spelled
[06:44] <viator> lol
[06:44] <kenshirou> Haha
[06:44] <noteventime> I know hiragana and katakana :)
[06:44] <noteventime> and a little kanji :P
[06:44] <pussfeller> i was watching a j-movie and they have to press many buttons just to type one charecter  and then press enter to make that char, if i was following it correctly
[06:44] <noteventime> yes
[06:45] <noteventime> One kanji ;)
[06:45] <noteventime> Its romanised
[06:45] <viator> my wife knows it but i cant be botherd with it
[06:45] <noteventime> so you write shi then press enter to get the hiragana shi and another enter to get the kanji
[06:45] <noteventime> :)
[06:46] <noteventime> How did you get japanese support?
[06:46] <kenshirou> Yeah, that's how it works with an english keyboard.
[06:46] <viator> unless watching inu yasha counts?
[06:46] <viator> lol
[06:46] <kenshirou> noteventime - not sure exactly. I think its just built in. At least, display.
[06:46] <Danny> so I need this driver?
[06:46] <Danny> http://linuxprinting.org/show_driver.cgi?driver=gutenprint&fromprinter=Epson-Stylus_CX4800
[06:46] <pussfeller> heh tah be great, honey, translate this raw for me, please baby
[06:47] <kenshirou> going to japanese pages or music files that have []  instead of characters on a windows vanella install, this just works
[06:48] <viator> so which printer was yours?
[06:48] <pussfeller> is there no ARM support in the gcc thats in ubuntu
[06:48] <kenshirou> Oh, for reference. Anyone with an iAudioX5, it mounts nicely in Dapper
[06:49] <Danny> the epson stylus cd4800
[06:49] <Danny> *cx4800
[06:50] <Danny> how do I download it?
[06:51] <slow-motion> i preefer russian. that is not so difficult
[06:53] <Danny> nvm
[06:53] <Danny> found it
[06:54] <HappyAsh> I give up for now
[06:54] <HappyAsh> thank for the help, though
[06:55] <pussfeller> danny are you usre cups doesnt already support that printer
[06:56] <pahlooka> kubuntu dapper broken today?  Just did a dist-upgrade and its puked on kubuntu-docs
[06:56] <Aikurn> yes
[06:57] <Danny> whats cups?
[06:57] <Aikurn> does anyone know how to configure katapult?
[06:57] <pahlooka> i dont even know what katapult is supposed to do
[06:58] <Aikurn> it's a launcher
[06:58] <pahlooka> ya, so I read - but what does that mean?
[06:58] <pussfeller> Danny, cups is the linux printing system
[06:58] <pahlooka> like an autostart folder?
[06:58] <Aikurn> i'm translating it and i want to see it
[06:58] <Aikurn> not exactly
[06:58] <Danny> dunno
[06:58] <Danny> how do I know?
[06:58] <pussfeller> with a printer you have to click on that little wrench and peripherials, printers, then maybe admin mode
[06:59] <pussfeller> the kcontrol icon on your toobar
[06:59] <Danny> it freezes on "Initialising Manager"
[07:01] <pussfeller> then go to start menu run and type "kcontrol"
[07:01] <Danny> i mean
[07:01] <Danny> after I hit the printer button
[07:01] <Danny> in kcontrol
[07:01] <jpatrick> what's the command to see what process is using X file?
[07:02] <pussfeller> danny theres sometimes a bug in using kcotrol from the toolbar, if i remember right
[07:02] <pussfeller> jpatrick, "lsof | grep file name" is one way
[07:02] <noteventime> Danny, don't use system settings
[07:02] <noteventime> use kcontrol
[07:02] <pussfeller> or ps aux | grep filename
[07:03] <pussfeller> which the second is faster, but not might work
[07:03] <viator> so does he have the cups gutenprint driver?
[07:03] <viator> even isntalled
[07:03] <pussfeller> oh yeah, sudo if you use lsof
[07:03] <uniq> jpatrick: i'd recommend using 'fuser -v /tmp/some/file'
[07:04] <viator>  sudo apt-cache policy cupsys-driver-gutenprint
[07:04] <viator> if your using dapper youll have the latest
[07:04] <noteventime> yay killall
[07:04] <jpatrick> uniq, pussfeller: thanks
[07:04] <viator> not sure about breezy
[07:05] <noteventime> links -dump ${0} | cowsay
[07:05] <noteventime> Is there any way to timeour a program
[07:05] <noteventime> like run cat /dev/urandom for two seconds
[07:05] <Dannyoops> gah
[07:05] <Dannyoops> stupid me
[07:06] <Dannyoops> hold on
[07:06] <Danny> lemme reboot
[07:07] <noteventime> haha
[07:07] <noteventime> cat /dev/urandom | cowsay
[07:07] <noteventime> then i swirched to another console and did killall cat
[07:08] <noteventime> Funny if you have a bad sense of humor like me
[07:09] <Ghost_linux> hello
[07:10] <Ghost_linux> somebody there?? need some help
[07:10] <Danny> hmm
[07:10] <Danny> when I load up kcontrol
[07:10] <Danny> it says "Config will not be saved"
[07:10] <noteventime> Ghost_linux, sure :)
[07:10] <noteventime> Danny, try running kdesu kcontrol
[07:11] <Ghost_linux> so i am a big noob so i think this is a very easy question
[07:11] <noteventime> :) go on
[07:11] <Danny> its still freezing on "Inititilizing Manager"
[07:11] <Danny> when I go to printer
[07:11] <Danny> s
[07:11] <Ghost_linux> when i start kubuntu i have to enter my login in console
[07:12] <Ghost_linux> but i want to start kde automatically
[07:12] <noteventime> Ghost_linux, Id doesn't? thats strange
[07:12] <noteventime> But you are able to start kde manually?
[07:12] <viator> in console or from the kdm splash/
[07:12] <pussfeller> Ghost_linux, you are saying kdm doesnt start utomatically?
[07:12] <Ghost_linux> i can start manually
[07:12] <bobbyd> hi
[07:13] <Ghost_linux> but i want to start it automatically and enter my password in kde
[07:13] <bobbyd> does anyone have kdevelop running under dapper?
[07:13] <noteventime> Yes
[07:13] <noteventime> I have
[07:13] <bobbyd> it doesn't work for me, complaining about plugins
[07:13] <bobbyd> noteventime: and you just installed in normally?
[07:13] <noteventime> Ok, I compiled it manually becuase the one in the repos was buggy
[07:13] <bobbyd> aha!
[07:13] <Danny|away> brb
[07:14] <bobbyd> ok, did you just grab it from cvs? did you need to do anything special ot make it compile?
[07:14] <noteventime> It just downloded the source from the page, well now I'm using the cvs version
[07:14] <viator> ya not as crappy /buggy as gtkpod aac
[07:14] <noteventime> Took some time, but was easy
[07:14] <bobbyd> ok
[07:15] <noteventime> bobbyd, You arent using ogre by any chance?
[07:15] <steveire> I've only recently switched to ubuntu, and I'm sure that the internet is really sluggish on it.
[07:15] <Ghost_linux> how can i make kde start automatically?
[07:15] <steveire> It's grand with windows, and I've got a good connection
[07:15] <noteventime> !tell steveire about ipv6
[07:15] <steveire> cheers
[07:15] <noteventime> Its a problem with ipv6, np
[07:15] <noteventime> Should be faster with FF though
[07:16] <bobbyd> !tell bobbyd about ipv6
[07:16] <viator> lol
[07:16] <noteventime> !ipv6
[07:16] <ubotu> To disable ipv6 read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[07:16] <noteventime> bobbyd, !ipv6 is enough
[07:18] <steveire> i use FF already
[07:18] <steveire> Gotta reboot
[07:19] <pussfeller> Ghost_linux, kdm should start automatically its really stange that it doesnt
[07:19] <pussfeller> like really really sttrange
[07:19] <noteventime> maybe check /etc/init.d/kdm ?
[07:19] <Ghost_linux> kk i check
[07:19] <noteventime> if it exists
[07:20] <pussfeller> i would tell you how to add it to the run things but, I don't understand ubuntus init
[07:20] <pussfeller> ubuntu's init
[07:20] <Ghost_linux> exits
[07:20] <Ghost_linux> exists
[07:20] <noteventime> ok
[07:21] <noteventime> next time you start try, sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[07:21] <noteventime> Se if it works
[07:21] <Ghost_linux> i got the problem since i unistalled a programm
[07:21] <Ghost_linux> i was asked do stop daemon and i pressed yes
[07:21] <Ghost_linux> kk i try
[07:21] <noteventime> What program?
[07:21] <pussfeller> have you rebooted since then?
[07:22] <Ghost_linux> yes i started kde with  startx
[07:22] <pussfeller> well me, i am trying to figure out how to shut off kdm
[07:22] <noteventime> Ghost_linux, you could try reboot now and we if it works, if yes we need to see how we start it again ^^
[07:22] <Ghost_linux> kk i try
[07:23] <pussfeller> theres no reason to have a login manager running on a single user system
[07:23] <noteventime> possfeller, sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[07:23] <noteventime> pussfeller, auto login
[07:23] <pussfeller> noteventime, yeah, but I don't want it to start up
[07:23] <pussfeller> it wastes resources
[07:23] <viator> well you0 can se0t kdm to auto login
[07:23] <noteventime> I thought you needed kdm anyway
[07:23] <pussfeller> i can't figure out how to control bootup stuff in ubuntu
[07:23] <noteventime> k display manager
[07:23] <noteventime> bum
[07:24] <noteventime> someone said something about bum in here
[07:24] <pussfeller> nah, altho, kdm does pass certain params and settings on that startx doesn't
[07:24] <noteventime> boot up manager
[07:24] <pussfeller> bum didn't work for me
[07:24] <noteventime> ok
[07:24] <noteventime> :/
[07:24] <pussfeller> i liked gentoo's rc alot better :)
[07:25] <steveire> thanks noteventime, seems good now
[07:25] <steveire> Is there any plans or way to make Kopete use google talk?
[07:25] <noteventime> nice :)
[07:25] <pussfeller> it already does
[07:25] <pussfeller> oh you mean the audio
[07:26] <noteventime> Thats what google talk is all about :D
[07:26] <noteventime> other wise you can use jabber
[07:26] <noteventime> its the same protocol
[07:26] <pussfeller> the last time i checked they are working on it
[07:26] <pussfeller> i wonder if google talk runs in wine
[07:27] <viator> i dont know many ppl that use google talk
[07:27] <viator> i wish every client used the SAME open protocol!
[07:27] <pussfeller> hardly onyone uses it for chat either :)
[07:27] <steveire> viator: yeah!
[07:27] <pussfeller> yeah its ridiculous
[07:28] <viator> they want to control things like advertising etc...
[07:28] <noteventime> All are using stupid MSN :(
[07:28] <Ghost_linux> so im back but it didnt work
[07:29] <noteventime> What happened?
[07:29] <viator> ive never used msn
[07:29] <pussfeller> only > 10% of people would ever bother to use non standard clients so they wouldnt loose too much advertisements
[07:29] <pussfeller> err < 10%
[07:29] <noteventime> < 10% ;)
[07:29] <pussfeller> I always forget :)
[07:29] <viator> well yeah and whoever made the BEST client would get all the users
[07:29] <noteventime> hehe
[07:29] <Ghost_linux> nothing just normal login with console
[07:29] <noteventime> viator, no
[07:29] <fjellrev1> aMSN and kopete have trouble transfering files,it stalls until someone cancels.any easy solution for this?
[07:30] <noteventime> Ghost_linux, did you write sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start instead of startx?
[07:30] <Ghost_linux> yes
[07:30] <pussfeller> i have never gotten file transfer to work with msn/kopete
[07:30] <viator> dont ransfer files via messnegers? lol
[07:30] <noteventime> Ghost_linux, what did it say
[07:30] <Ghost_linux> nothing
[07:30] <noteventime> try sudo apt-get install kdm
[07:30] <Ghost_linux> i entered it and nothing happend then i rebooted again
[07:30] <pussfeller> i always end up starting the kfileserver applet
[07:30] <Ghost_linux> and the same thin
[07:30] <Ghost_linux> thing
[07:31] <viator> it may be a config
[07:31] <noteventime> or dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[07:31] <viator> somewhere
[07:31] <noteventime> sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[07:32] <Ghost_linux> i try botjh
[07:32] <fjellrev1> pussfeller: whats this kfileserver applet you talk about? and what do you do when your contacts try to send you a file?
[07:33] <ehj> Sorry to bother you with patents, but the Comission has an ongoing hearing about the future of the patent system in Europe
[07:33] <Ghost_linux> dpkg-recunfigure says "kdm not running"
[07:33] <ehj> you can submit your position(s) here http://consultation.ffii.org/
[07:33] <noteventime> gtg, bbl, sorry
[07:33] <viator> do apt-cache policy kdm is it even installed
[07:33] <noteventime> Ghost_linux, the the problem is that kdm isn't running
[07:34] <Ghost_linux> what to do?
[07:35] <Ghost_linux> how to start kdm??
[07:35] <steveire> Kopete doesn't seem to give me the options that MSN messenger does.
[07:35] <viator> i would do this sudo apt-get --purge remove kdm     then sudo apt-get install kdm
[07:35] <steveire> Appear offline etc.
[07:36] <Ghost_linux> kk i try
[07:36] <Ghost_linux> Reloading K Display Manager configuration...kdm not running.
[07:37] <Aikurn> you can appear offline with kopete too
[07:37] <Ghost_linux> i reboot
[07:37] <pradeepto> Riddell: ping
[07:38] <steveire> Globally across everything? yahoo etc? or singly?
[07:38] <Riddell> pradeepto: hi
[07:38] <pradeepto> Riddell: ah!
[07:39] <pradeepto> Riddell: gotthe cd package, thanks a lot :)
[07:39] <Riddell> cool
[07:39] <Riddell> none left, those things are valuable
[07:39] <viator> i loathe aol
[07:39] <viator> and that icon they use for it at gaim
[07:39] <viator> but gaim works good enough for me
[07:40] <Ghost_linux> thank you very much ist works =)
[07:40] <pradeepto> Riddell: you mean to say that they are last remaining blue CDs :)
[07:40] <Ghost_linux> it ^
[07:40] <Riddell> yep
[07:40] <viator> yw ghost
[07:40] <Riddell> pradeepto: nah, they're only valuable on ebay when I sign the cover :)
[07:40] <pradeepto> Riddell: speaking of which...
[07:41] <steveire> http://speedtest.ie/ <<< FF tells me that site needs a java plug in. Can I get it with Adept?
[07:41] <pradeepto> Riddell: in the first package you had sent , there was card signed by you.
[07:41] <Riddell> !java
[07:41] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[07:41] <viator> make a .deb out of the .bin
[07:41] <viator> from sun
[07:41] <Riddell> pradeepto: sure, sell that on ebay if you want :)
[07:41] <steveire> chairs
[07:42] <pradeepto> Riddell: that was joke :)
[07:42] <pradeepto> oh you mean the card right...
[07:42] <buz> is there any place to vote for the inclusion of knetworkmanager in dapper as default?
[07:42] <Riddell> buz: poke pitti to get on with the main inclusion review
[07:42] <viator> knetworkmanager over what the regualr NM?
[07:43] <pradeepto> Riddell: so while was in Calicut for the event, the maid nicely kept the one remaining CD on my table and misplaced the box which had your card :)
[07:43] <pradeepto> :(
[07:43] <pradeepto> Riddell: this package has your card but not signed :(
[07:43] <viator> network manager works the same way s far as i can tell
[07:43] <buz> knetworkmanager depends on it
[07:44] <buz> i think its just a frontend
[07:44] <viator> i think the would promote the use of one frontend because it make it easier to support
[07:44] <buz> grrrr
[07:44] <buz> xgl crashed ;)
[07:45] <buz> as for frontends, well i'd use the kde one for kubuntu ;)
[07:45] <hellz_hunter> kmplayer on kubuntu doesnt show the play time and length
[07:45] <hellz_hunter> does it work on anyone else?
[07:47] <Wizz_Kidd> why cant i play m,p3 filkes i thoght i have everytyhing i needed to have installed
[07:47] <buz> !mp3
[07:47] <ubotu> hmm... mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:47] <Ghost_linux> whats on when i get "Action: BREAK (install)" with Adept?
[07:50] <The> may I ask questions regarding dapper in this channel?
[07:50] <viator> y
[07:51] <pradeepto> yes you may The
[07:51] <The> so, I googled for a fix for the scroll problems in firefox, but they dont work for me. I tryed zaxmapping 4 5 and the about:config ...
[07:52] <steveire> I'm having trouble getting the java-package
[07:52] <noteventime> back
[07:52] <steveire> I have multiverse enabled
[07:52] <viator> scroll problems? you mean if you scroll up fast it makes your browser go back a page
[07:52] <viator> i hate that
[07:52] <The> right and in other programs like kopete i got to focus the scrollbar to scroll
[07:53] <The> I mean i gotta move the mouse over the scrollbar
[07:53] <elijahlofgren> steveire: Check out: http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/java2-status/jdk1.4-status.html#debs <== That's how I installed the Java
[07:53] <pradeepto> viator: seriously I hate that too. I have to use FF thanks to gmail.
[07:53] <elijahlofgren> viator: I didn't know that was a known bug.
[07:53] <elijahlofgren> viator: I find it really annoying.
[07:53] <viator> yeah its been filed
[07:53] <viator> that bug
[07:54] <viator> brb
[07:54] <The> yep, I saw that too, there are fixes too but well... they dont work for me :(
[07:54] <noteventime> I have actually come to like that bug :P
[07:54] <Wizz_Kidd> what do i have to have to play mp3 i have been trying for days
[07:54] <pradeepto> heh and I was looking for settings that can change that feature :P
[07:54] <The> noteventime how do you scroll than?
[07:54] <Wizz_Kidd> i have installed this and that etc etc
[07:54] <noteventime> I use my scroll as back forward button :D
[07:54] <noteventime> The, slower or using the bars :)
[07:54] <steveire> thanks.
[07:55] <steveire> Add the following line to /etc/apt/sources.list: <<< How do I do that?
[07:55] <steveire> sorry
[07:55] <steveire> I'll just use kedit or something
[07:55] <The> steveire : use a editor, kwrite for example
[07:55] <Snake__> steveire: "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[07:55] <pradeepto> Wizz_Kidd: did you install the codecs. IIRC I pointed you to a link earlier.
[07:55] <pradeepto> !mp3
[07:55] <ubotu> methinks mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:56] <pradeepto> Wizz_Kidd: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^6
[07:56] <viator> noventime lol
[07:56] <viator> m$ would call it a feature!
[07:56] <The> so there is no working fix for scrolling? the strange thing: when using the xgl powered x-server I have no such problems...
[07:57] <noteventime> The windows BSOD is a featur
[07:57] <noteventime> e
[07:57] <noteventime> It makes you unable to sit in front of the computer to long
[07:57] <pradeepto> Wizz_Kidd: ???
[07:57] <viator> fixing a friend scomputer i found xp has a "feature" that it automatically reboots when there is a critical error
[07:57] <Wizz_Kidd> yea
[07:58] <Wizz_Kidd> i have installed a BUNCH of stuff
[07:58] <Wizz_Kidd> that little ubuntu readme isnt helping
[07:58] <noteventime> Wizz_Kidd, dapper or breezy?
[07:58] <jonathan_> Amarok will not give me the option to play a CD
[07:58] <viator> so what happens when that error happens every time the desktop loads?
[07:58] <noteventime> viator, :) to bad for you
[07:58] <Aikurn> pradeepto: konqueror works fine with gmail if you change the identity to firefox, safari or any other browser
[07:58] <viator> it shuts down every time the desktop would load
[07:59] <noteventime> Yes
[07:59] <noteventime> That's the case with many of the viruses
[07:59] <viator> luckily there was just enough time for me to turn this "feature" off
[07:59] <pradeepto> Aikurn: it does but have you managed to get all features of gmail working on konqueror?
[07:59] <viator> which then displayed the error
[07:59] <viator> duh
[07:59] <viator> so then i knew what was wrong and how to fix it
[07:59] <noteventime> Windows really is a stupid OS
[07:59] <jonathan_> Can no one help me....Oh the humanity :(
[08:00] <jonathan_> lol, sorry
[08:00] <Wizz_Kidd> Dappper
[08:00] <noteventime> jonathan_ Have you tried using kaffeine?
[08:00] <Aikurn> pradeepto: tags, filters and everything i can remember, it works just the same
[08:00] <jonathan_> yeah, it works...i just use amarok for everything else
[08:00] <noteventime> Wizz_Kidd, libxine-extracodecs
[08:00] <steveire> I couldn't save when I used kedit, so i used sudo with it and it was successful, but I got this:
[08:00] <jonathan_> i wanted it to work too :(
[08:00] <steveire> Error: "/tmp/kde-steveire" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[08:00] <steveire> Link points to "/tmp/kde-root"
[08:00] <pradeepto> Aikurn: even the auto-update thing?
[08:00] <pradeepto> hmmmm
[08:00] <Aikurn> yeah
[08:00] <steveire> Error: "/tmp/kde-steveire" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[08:00] <steveire> Link points to "/tmp/kde-root"
[08:01] <Aikurn> try it :)
[08:01] <steveire> oops
[08:01] <elijahlofgren> steveire: You may as well just use nano. sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:01] <noteventime> Wizz_kidd, sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[08:01] <Wizz_Kidd> inbstalling now
[08:01] <steveire> I think I've got it working, just wanted to know if that message was anything to worry about.
[08:01] <steveire> !nano
[08:01] <ubotu> steveire: Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:01] <pradeepto> Aikurn: sure will
[08:02] <pradeepto> thanks
[08:02] <steveire> What is nano?
[08:02] <noteventime> a console text editor
[08:02] <Aikurn> no prob
[08:02] <steveire> ah
[08:02] <steveire> nice actually
[08:02] <noteventime> Like vi or emacs
[08:02] <noteventime> I like it too
[08:02] <The> shouldnt there be a taskbar program which informs the user about new updates in dapper? cant find it - or is that gnome only?
[08:03] <apokryphos> nano/pico is good for beginners
[08:03] <apokryphos> little bit more intuitive
[08:03] <noteventime> The, adept notefier
[08:03] <noteventime> The, Its a program not an applet
[08:03] <Wizz_Kidd> Thanks GUYS
[08:03] <Wizz_Kidd> ;)
[08:03] <Wizz_Kidd> works now
[08:03] <noteventime> np :)
[08:03] <mornfall> The: it only shows up if there are some available updates, mind you
[08:04] <steveire> I have to say I'm impressed with Linux.
[08:04] <steveire> The sheer volume of features makes up for hassle with non-free formats
[08:04] <apokryphos> =)
[08:05] <apokryphos> steveire: you can get around most of the non-free formats too, really.
[08:05] <steveire> yeah. Just with a little hassle sometimes
[08:05] <steveire> I don't think I've done anything about security issues yet.
[08:05] <steveire> Do i need to get a firewall / AVG or something?
[08:06] <apokryphos> nah =)
[08:06] <steveire> why not?
[08:06] <apokryphos> !firewall
[08:06] <ubotu> Ubuntu has, like every other linux distribution, firewalling built into the kernel. A simple frontend to this firewall is firestarter, which can be installed via synaptic.
[08:06] <steveire> hmm
[08:06] <jonathan_> is there really a need in that with linux as a workstation
[08:06] <pradeepto> Aikurn: :( didnot work with safari.
[08:07] <steveire> I guess I'll get firestarter so
[08:07] <pradeepto> Aikurn: do I need a konq restart?
[08:07] <steveire> What about virus/trojan issues?
[08:07] <jonathan_> i've wondered...i mean it's not prone to spyware, viruses or anything...what's the point
[08:07] <Aikurn> pradeepto: try firefox 1.0 instead and reload the web
[08:07] <steveire> jonathan_: Do you mean a linux system is not vulnerable to those things?
[08:08] <jonathan_> i was under that impression yes
[08:08] <viator> there hasnt been a linux virsu in the wild in a while
[08:08] <jonathan_> and my understanding was a firewall in this case monitored outgoing traffic from the workstation
[08:08] <noteventime> And most linux viruses only attack webservers and such
[08:09] <viator> the only reson in my mind to run clamav or avg for linux is to keep from passing virus's on to windows user
[08:09] <steveire> viruses tend to be OS specific?
[08:09] <viator> steve basically
[08:09] <jonathan_> i do not wish to discourage him from being secure, i just wondered what the point was on a desktop firewall for linux
[08:09] <apokryphos> !linux virus
[08:09] <ubotu> Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, apokryphos
[08:09] <apokryphos> !linuxvirus
[08:09] <ubotu> The short life and hard times of a Linux Virus http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[08:09] <noteventime> !virus
[08:09] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, noteventime
[08:09] <noteventime> :S
[08:10] <Aikurn> pradeepto: safari works for me, does your gmail main page show a message about unsupported browsers?
[08:10] <noteventime> ubuntu: You don't know what a virus is?
[08:10] <noteventime> You see thats how secure linux is :D
[08:10] <viator> 99.9999% of all viruss are written to target specifically windows
[08:10] <viator> because by nature its insecure
[08:10] <viator> and has less eyes on the code
[08:10] <apokryphos> the fact that linux doesn't have viruses though isn't just down to that
[08:10] <_jer> An error occurred while loading media:/sda1:
[08:10] <_jer> The file or folder media:/sda1 does not exist.
[08:10] <_jer> hi. my clie doesn't seem to be detected properly at breezy, although it works well w/ hoary h. hmm.. in breezy when i connect it to act as usb storage it says
[08:10] <pradeepto> Aikurn: no matter what I do, I get this -> "For a better Gmail experience, use a fully supported browser.   Learn more"
[08:11] <_jer> An error occurred while loading media:/sda1:
[08:11] <_jer> The file or folder media:/sda1 does not exist.
[08:11] <apokryphos> _jer: please stop flooding
[08:11] <_jer> sorry. i don't mean to.. =(
[08:11] <jonathan_> personally i have never ran a antivirus or firewall ever on my linux desktop...lol, waste of cpu for me :)
[08:12] <viator> i run the firewall
[08:12] <viator> but no antivirus
[08:12] <apokryphos> jonathan_: every linux distribution has the firewall as it's built into the kernel
[08:12] <apokryphos> unless you hack it yourself
[08:12] <viator> iptables
[08:13] <viator> with the firestarter front enf
[08:13] <viator> end
[08:13] <jonathan_> yes, but iptable might run but it is blocking no traffic by default right?
[08:13] <jonathan_> iptables...oops
[08:13] <TheNightRider``> hey all
[08:13] <TheNightRider``> :)
[08:14] <Aikurn> pradeepto: I remember I saw a message like that, but it gave me the option to switch to non html-only inteface
[08:14] <pradeepto> Aikurn: yes gmail works but without ajaxy stuff :(
[08:15] <viator> there should be no open port except those you absolutely need
[08:15] <Aikurn> pradeepto: :( it works well for me, maybe it's a cookie problem or something like that
[08:15] <pradeepto> any doesnot matter so much. Less ff I use more I save ram so cool.
[08:16] <pradeepto> Aikurn: thanks anyways for helping me out.
[08:16] <viator> does the firefox 2 "bon echo" or whatever its called use less ram
[08:16] <viator> did they fix memory leaks
[08:16] <noteventime> It wasn't a memory leak
[08:16] <noteventime> I think it was a cache
[08:16] <viator> i know its alpha
[08:17] <Aikurn> pradeepto: no problem, sorry i can't help more
[08:17] <pradeepto> nah its alright, perhaps it will work if I close all instances of konqueror and then restart after deleteing the cookies.
[08:18] <Aikurn> make sure you have javascript enabled
[08:18] <stian_> Hey, I've installed kphone and twinkle (SIP phones) and neither appear in my applications menu :( I've even rebooted since (changing location), but no go. Any idea on how to add them?
[08:18] <noteventime> Rightlcik th kmenu icon
[08:18] <noteventime> Then menu editor
[08:19] <stian> ah
[08:19] <stian> thanks
[08:19] <Aikurn> pradeepto: I can't give up lol, i've found this link http://mail.google.com/gmail?nocheckbrowser
[08:19] <_harm> hi i have an AMD athlon 1800+ thats k7 arch right?
[08:19] <buz> yes
[08:20] <_harm> thx buz :P
[08:20] <buz> as for kernel, i dont think it buys you much to use a k7 one, really
[08:20] <pradeepto> Aikurn: heh thanks , reading it.
[08:20] <_harm> yah but i need them.. some howto guide :P
[08:20] <pradeepto> Aikurn: btw JS is globally enables.
[08:21] <Aikurn> ok
[08:21] <viator> i386 doesnt even seem to run the much worse than k7 barely noticeable
[08:21] <pradeepto> *enabled
[08:21] <buz> yes
[08:21] <buz> aside of some machines where i386 finds no more than 900MB RAM
[08:21] <buz> even though there's a gig or more in there
[08:22] <_harm> well you guys https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI <- iam not veryr good at linux and i dont wanne mess up stuff :)
[08:22] <_harm> so i just wanted to be sure i wasnt downloading something wrong
[08:22] <Wizz_Kidd> any of you guys ever use LMMS
[08:22] <buz> _harm: that regularly messed up my system ;)
[08:23] <buz> one of these days i'm gonna trash that radeon
[08:23] <pradeepto> Aikurn: you are a magician :) muuuuaaaaah!!!
[08:23] <Aikurn> lol
[08:23] <_harm> buz :S it messed urs up?
[08:24] <_harm> buz argh thats a kick to the face :P
[08:24] <elijahlofgren> Setting Konqueror to identify as Firefox 1.0 seems to make Gmail send code that works in Konqueror.
[08:24] <buz> yes
[08:24] <buz> but it might be me
[08:24] <Aikurn> lol that's not necessary :P
[08:24] <buz> i didnt treat it particularly nice
[08:24] <_harm> buz urm well... let me do a quick prayer
[08:28] <buz> good luck ;)
[08:28] <buz> in breezy it should work
[08:28] <buz> in dapper, maybe ;)
[08:28] <pradeepto> Aikurn: guess what ? folks at kde-devel discussing konq + gmail.
[08:29] <pradeepto> Aikurn:
[08:29] <pradeepto> [23:47]  <SadEagle> liucougar: konqueror supports gmail.
[08:29] <pradeepto> [23:47]  <liucougar> SadEagle: oh?
[08:29] <pradeepto> [23:47]  <SadEagle> liucougar: gmail, however, does not suport konqueror.
[08:29] <_harm> uh i just kept pressing enter during the xorg reconfigure... :|
[08:29] <Aikurn> hmmm
[08:31] <_harm> guys at step4 .. i dont get that last sentence
[08:32] <Wizz_Kidd> what protocol does LIMEWIRE use
[08:32] <buz> gnutella
[08:32] <Wizz_Kidd> i seee
[08:32] <Wizz_Kidd> you sure ?
[08:33] <buz> quite
[08:38] <thunderbear> I don't need help with anything
[08:38] <thunderbear> I just wanted to say "thank you" to the maintainers
[08:39] <thunderbear> I've been using Linux since 1997.  I've been a RHAT guy most of that time.  Never much cared for Debian.  Until now.  Kubuntu changes everything.  I'm really diggin it.
[08:39] <noteventime> :)
[08:39] <noteventime> Same here ^"
[08:40] <noteventime> But I've not been using linux that long
[08:41] <thunderbear> I've seen a lot of distros come and go... some that were incredibly popular aren't so much anymore... Debian has always been so unapproachable for newbies, IMO.  Kubuntu/Ubuntu fixes my main gripes with Debian.
[08:41] <pradeepto> out here there was a time when linux == rhat :)
[08:41] <thunderbear> I've got 5.10 installed on a test box at work.  And tried the Flight 6 live CD on a machine at home.
[08:41] <noteventime> kubuntu > ubuntu > arch :D
[08:42] <viator> when is linux going to have flashplayer 8 !
[08:42] <noteventime> viator, it won't
[08:42] <noteventime> It will get 8.5 though
[08:42] <steveire> elijahlofgren: You gave me a Java link a while ago. It's still not working with firefox though. Could you help me with it?
[08:42] <viator> im sick of going to sites and having them tell me oi cant view content because its in flash8
[08:42] <noteventime> when 8.5 is released
[08:42] <viator> and its happening ALOT lately
[08:43] <viator> before it didnt bother me because 7 just worked fine
[08:43] <elijahlofgren> steveire: Hmm.. Let me check what I have installed..
[08:43] <thunderbear> flash is overrated
[08:43] <noteventime> viator, depends on when 8.5 is released
[08:43] <noteventime> flash is slow
[08:43] <viator> i dont know why the gnash project shot for 7 compatability
[08:43] <thunderbear> my primary box is amd64, so no flash player at all, and I find most sites use flash as a crutch to make up for lack of good content
[08:43] <noteventime> Although there isn't much you can do, many sites use flash
[08:44] <noteventime> thderbear, ^^
[08:44] <steveire> www.speedtest.ie also doesn't work with Konqueror
[08:45] <elijahlofgren> steveire: Sorry, it looks like I actually have a different java package installed than the link I have you. It's called "sun-j2re1.5" I'm searching to find where I got it right now.
[08:46] <The> noteventime: i can't find the adept-notifier :S when I start adept there aint no tray icon...
[08:46] <steveire> elijahlofgren: thakns
[08:46] <steveire> thanks*
[08:46] <apokryphos> steveire: works fine in my konqueror
[08:46] <noteventime> The, Its not a part of adept
[08:46] <noteventime> have you tried searching for notefier in adept?
[08:46] <apokryphos> 4Mbs down speed, 3 mbs up
[08:46] <mornfall> ummm
[08:46] <apokryphos> s/4/5/
[08:46] <The> well, but I have to start it somehow?!
[08:47] <mornfall> The: if you are on current dapper
[08:47] <mornfall> The: logout+login should do
[08:47] <mornfall> The: it's started automatically
[08:47] <mornfall> The: or
[08:47] <mornfall> The: ps aux | grep adept
[08:47] <mornfall> The: maybe it's running
[08:47] <mornfall> The: just no updates available :)
[08:47] <mornfall> The: if there are updates, a reddish exclamation mark icon will appear in systrtay
[08:47] <mornfall> systray
[08:47] <The> so I'll only see it when updates are availabe?
[08:48] <mornfall> sure
[08:48] <The> ... I'm such a boon...
[08:48] <The> so, thanks
[08:48] <mornfall> sure, np :)
[08:48] <steveire> apokryphos: How is java set up on your machine?
[08:48] <elijahlofgren> steveire: Aha, found it here: http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/pool/i386/non-free/java/
[08:49] <steveire> thank you
[08:49] <apokryphos> steveire: by /msg ubotu java
[08:49] <apokryphos> should work in Konqueror from that
[08:50] <steveire> apokryphos: I tried that, but I couldn't get the package java-package even though I'm connected to multiverse
[08:50] <apokryphos> I doubt you tried that, if you're trying to get java package :)
[08:50] <apokryphos> just install the .deb
[08:51] <steveire> sudo apt-get install fakeroot java-package java-common <<< When I did that it told me java-package is not available
[08:52] <steveire> Sorry for being really clueless, but do I just download the .deb, and then whaat?
[08:52] <elijahlofgren> steveire: dpkg -i nameof.deb
[08:52] <elijahlofgren> steveire: sudo dpkg -i nameof.deb
[08:52] <noteventime> Or install gdebi
[08:52] <apokryphos> install it, yes.
[08:53] <noteventime> gdebi is nice
[08:54] <steveire> I'll get gdebi
[08:54] <noteventime> Its a graphical deb installed
[08:55] <noteventime> installer*
[08:55] <steveire> Looks like it's not available in my repositories
[08:56] <steveire> http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/pool/i386/non-free/java/ <<< of the two here, which should I get?
[08:56] <noteventime> depends
[08:57] <noteventime> Do you want to program in java
[08:57] <pradeepto> Aikurn: do you have an yahoo account?
[08:57] <steveire> nope. Just use it in FF
[08:57] <noteventime> j2re is runtime envoronment
[08:57] <steveire> i see
[08:57] <noteventime> j2re is for non-java programmers
[08:57] <steveire> cheers
[08:57] <noteventime> np
[08:57] <noteventime> sdk is software development kit
[08:58] <elijahlofgren> steveire: Also check out: http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf
[08:58] <steveire> I'm think I've installed about three of these java things to try and get this working
[08:58] <noteventime> hehe :P
[08:58] <steveire> WIll they conflict?
[08:58] <elijahlofgren> steveire: It has instructions for adding the packages.freecontrib.org repository.
[08:59] <steveire> Is there any other good recommended repos?
[09:00] <elijahlofgren> steveire: For java? I don't think so other than the debian Christian Marillat Packages
[09:01] <elijahlofgren> steveire: They harder way to install java is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-68565ae07a003332e82c9f23706638777396c249
[09:03] <steveire> I meant repos in general. I installed universe and multiverse since going kubuntu, but that's about it
[09:03] <noteventime> steveire, Thats all you need :D
[09:04] <noteventime> might consider PLF, but thats only java + skype + w32codecs + libdvdcss
[09:04] <noteventime> afaik
[09:04] <noteventime> steveire, If you intend watching dvd on the computer you better install libdvdcss
[09:06] <Aikurn> pradeepto: no
[09:06] <pradeepto> ok
[09:07] <Aikurn> i had one, but never use it
[09:07] <pradeepto> just that yahoo can do autocompletion of address like gmail, that doesnot work on konq too.
[09:07] <pradeepto> thats one feature I will miss, really.
[09:07] <Aikurn> oh
[09:08] <pradeepto> very nifty adn helpful.
[09:08] <noteventime> I'm using ajax on my webpage and it works rather nicely in konqueror :|
[09:08] <noteventime> although its moslt basic ajax
[09:09] <pradeepto> noteventime: can you check yahoo mail with konq
[09:09] <pradeepto> do you use one?
[09:09] <noteventime> No
[09:09] <noteventime> I'm on gmail :D
[09:09] <pradeepto> so does the autocomplete feature work for address on konq?
[09:10] <elijahlofgren> pradeepto: In gmail yes
[09:10] <pradeepto> wo0ah!!! HOW?
[09:10] <elijahlofgren> pradeepto: You need to set Konqueror to identify as Firefox 1.0 though to get Gmails AJAX interface working with Konqueror.
[09:11] <pradeepto> elijahlofgren: trust me I have tried all that.
[09:11] <pradeepto> Aikurn and me were just discussion that and even on kde-devel
[09:11] <elijahlofgren> pradeepto: What version of Konqueror do you have? (I have 3.5.2) It works for me.
[09:11] <pradeepto> there is something amiss somewhere?
[09:11] <pradeepto> elijahlofgren: I am on dapper with kde 3.5.2
[09:12] <elijahlofgren> pradeepto: Same here.
[09:12] <pradeepto> elijahlofgren: favour please?  could you do a apt-cache policy for  konqueror?
[09:12] <seashell11> just wondering if I should upgrade to dapper? How stable is it?
[09:13] <seashell11> I am running Breezy now.
[09:13] <elijahlofgren> pradeepto:   Installed: 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu5
[09:14] <JakubS> seashell11: works good enough
[09:14] <steveire> I'm still not getting java support. Is there something I can do outside of firefox to make sure java is working properly, and then see if I can get it and firefox talking?
[09:14] <TheNightRider``> hey _jeff
[09:14] <TheNightRider``> :)
[09:14] <seashell11> Does openoffice work right? that is the main thing we use, this is a commputer in our office, and we don't want that to crash.
[09:14] <Aikurn> pradeepto: it worked for me in breezy kde 3.5.1 and before
[09:17] <fatejudger> for some reason a couple of packages don't install right in the latest Dapper dist-upgrade
[09:17] <fatejudger> is this a known issue?
[09:17] <elijahlofgren> seashell11: OpenOffice.org works fine on dapper, but unless you really need to upgrade to Dapper now I'd probabbly wait until it is officially released
[09:17] <hellz_hunter> how can i tell what speed my ethernet is running if its at 10baset or 100
[09:18] <TheNightRider``> hey anyone know where to get amaroK skins?
[09:18] <noteventime> www.kde-look.org
[09:19] <TheNightRider``> 10x ^^
[09:19] <Aikurn> fatejudger: it's known
[09:20] <uniq> hellz_hunter: 'mii-tool' in konsole.
[09:20] <fatejudger> Aikurn: they always take the weekend off too :(
[09:20] <steveire> I'm still not getting java support. Is there something I can do outside of firefox to make sure java is working properly, and then see if I can get it and firefox talking?
[09:21] <Aikurn> fatejudger:  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-docs/+bug/38690
[09:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38690 in kubuntu-docs "Latest kubuntu-docs can't find /usr/share/doc-base/kubuntu-adept when updating" [Normal,Fix committed]
[09:22] <elijahlofgren> steveire: I uninstalled my java and I'm reinstalling it now so I can write instructions for getting the Java plugin working in Firefox. I'll let you know when I've written them up. ;)
[09:22] <viator> ive never used kaffeine before
[09:22] <viator> wy is it that it plays the audio but wont show the video
[09:23] <viator> for a wmp file
[09:23] <steveire> wow. thanks
[09:24] <elijahlofgren> viator: You need to install w32codecs.
[09:24] <viator> im looking at the config nowa problem occured while loading a library or a decoder:wmvdmod.dll
[09:24] <viator> no i have them
[09:25] <elijahlofgren> viator: Hmm. Hae you tried mplayer? It sometimes seems to work better.
[09:25] <viator> i usually run mplayer in gnme works good ill try it now
[09:25] <Aikurn> maybe your wmp file is drm'ed
[09:25] <n3storm> hi everyone
[09:26] <TheNightRider``> hey
[09:26] <n3storm> I messed up with cups 1.2rc1 and know I cant make cups from kubuntu work
[09:26] <viator> nvm
[09:26] <viator> i got it to work
[09:26] <n3storm> I wonder if there is way to force overwritting files while installing deb packages?
[09:27] <n3storm> something like apt-get install --force cupsys
[09:28] <viator> you mean like apt- get -y install <packagename>
[09:28] <n3storm> i'll try that viator
[09:29] <viator> no that just
[09:29] <viator> answers yes to any configs
[09:30] <steveire> elijahlofgren: I'm gonna head off now, but I'm sure I'll spot you in here again. And thanks.
[09:31] <elijahlofgren> steveire: Ok, TTYL.
[09:32] <n3storm> cupsd refuses to start
[09:32] <n3storm> but /etc/init.d/cupsys start says everything is ok
[09:33] <viator> im testing mepis with the dapper base
[09:33] <viator> runs pretty smoothly
[09:33] <n3storm> viator: ole
[09:35] <viator> dist-upgrading it too
[09:35] <viator> hopefully all goes well
[09:36] <viator> bb
[09:37] <Danny> whats a good irc client for kubuntu besides xchat and konversation?
[09:38] <squidbullets> nalioth are you watching that cooking show again?
[09:38] <nalioth> squidbullets: watch your messages
[09:38] <squidbullets> did I swear?
[09:39] <squidbullets> nalioth I am watching, but I do not see a message
[09:40] <Aikurn> bye
[09:46] <stian> hmm, how does koffice compare to openoffice? can it read/write OO.o MS Office documents?
[09:47] <paulvolk> Hello
[09:48] <paulvolk> Is anyone on this channel?
[09:48] <stian> hello
[09:48] <stian> yes
[09:48] <paulvolk> ok
[09:48] <stian> quite a few if you glance to your right
[09:49] <paulvolk> Um I want to install Kubuntu on my other box so I have a 15 gig partition but it is formated for a linux system that I used to have.
[09:49] <elijahlofgren> paulvolk: And...
[09:49] <stian> paulvolk: that is not a problem
[09:49] <paulvolk> I want to install Kubuntu over it but when I choose to repartion it I get an error messege.
[09:50] <elijahlofgren> paulvolk: What error message?
[09:50] <stian> don't repartition, just reformat
[09:50] <paulvolk> it says that I have not choosen a root file system or something like that.
[09:50] <paulvolk> I try to reformat, lol that is what I meant
[09:50] <stian> then you have to choose a root file system :)
[09:50] <paulvolk> sorry
[09:50] <stian> you must set the partition to be /
[09:50] <paulvolk> How do I choose a root file system
[09:51] <paulvolk> I don't know how
[09:51] <paulvolk> ?
[09:51] <stian> it's in there with the "format" and such. you select where/how to mount (don't remember all too well)
[09:51] <paulvolk> but what do I choose?
[09:53] <paulvolk> can anyone tell me?
[09:54] <stian> you select "/"
[09:55] <paulvolk> ok
[09:55] <stian> selected that the 15gb partition is mounted as "/"
[09:55] <stian> .. /= root
[09:55] <paulvolk> I will try, hold on
[09:59] <paulvolk> ok now it will go on further but it comes up with a messege saying that it found uncorrected errors in my main windows partition. What should I do? continue?
[10:01] <paulvolk> any one?????
[10:02] <paulvolk> anyone there????????????/
[10:02] <paulvolk> anyone there????????????
[10:02] <sean> Yes
[10:02] <sean> Me
[10:03] <sean> I'm reading your prevois ims at the moment
[10:03] <paulvolk> ok
[10:03] <SmrtJustin> I'm using dapper, and it seems to keep having problems installing/upgrading kubuntu-docs....
[10:04] <SmrtJustin> /usr/share/doc-base/kubuntu-adept: cannot open control file for reading: No such file or directory
[10:04] <SmrtJustin> dpkg: error processing kubuntu-docs (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[10:04] <SmrtJustin> Errors were encountered while processing: kubuntu-docs
[10:04] <sean> paulvolk, you disappeared
[10:04] <sean> Oh well
[10:04] <nalioth> SmrtJustin: they are behind. you should ask dapper questions in #ubuntu+1
[10:04] <klugez> SmrtJustin: it's a known problem and will be fixed
[10:04] <SmrtJustin> nalioth: klugez: thats what I figured.
[10:05] <SmrtJustin> I just wanted to confirm, thanks.
[10:40] <rtttt> fgh
[10:42] <rtttt> c nessuno
[10:42] <rtttt> come siamo apparecchiati?
[10:43] <tsdgeos> !it
[10:43] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[10:50] <Parkotron> Does anyone here use KNemo?
[11:26] <sredna> Kubuntu seems to be missing the X(1) manual ?!