[00:36] <vorlon> xnox: fwiw I don't like the actual implementation in mk-sbuild, I think hard-coding the gutsy script name here instead of picking it up as a default from debootstrap is also unnecessarily brittle.  But I'm not going to block SRUing on fixing that
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[04:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected debootstrap [source] (focal-proposed) [1.0.118ubuntu1.10]
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[08:17] <tjaalton> is the autopkgtest infra having issues? the queues seem a bit long
[08:45] <xnox> vorlon:  it was done before change for debootstrap existed. And also needs to work on debian. Is the dynamism of debootstrap for ubuntu suites going to be accepted upstream in Debian?
[08:45] <xnox> i guess we will know after the debian release
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[11:51] <jbicha> tjaalton: there is a perl security update which triggered a lot of autopkgtests for every supported Ubuntu series
[12:07] <tjaalton> jbicha: ah..
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[14:53] <vorlon> xnox: and also needs to work on Debian> I really don't care about ubuntu-dev-tools working on Debian
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[15:23] <athos> Hey vorlon! I am not sure if I missed sth on the isc-dhcp shipping keama discussion, are you considering rejecting the change? Would you rather have that in a standalone source package? Unfortunatelly, I still did not hear from the Debian maintainers on that change
[15:23] <vorlon> athos: ah did I not accept it yet? I meant to
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[15:24] <vorlon> (done)
[15:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted isc-dhcp [amd64] (mantic-proposed) [4.4.3-P1-2ubuntu2]
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[15:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted isc-dhcp [riscv64] (mantic-proposed) [4.4.3-P1-2ubuntu2]
[15:25] <vorlon> rbasak: presence of an i386 build record for the version of the package in focal is a particularly poor indicator of whether there's actually an i386 package in the focal archive https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jammy/+source/mokutil/+bug/2015664/comments/11
[15:25] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2015664 in mokutil (Ubuntu Focal) "backport needed to enable users to reset SBAT level" [High, Fix Committed]
[15:26] <vorlon> (because that's the cycle we introduced the whitelist and deleted all the binaries that had been built)
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[15:28] <athos> vorlon: oh, thanks! :)
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[16:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted fwupd-efi [sync] (bionic-proposed) [1:1.4-0ubuntu0.1]
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[19:15] <ricotz> vorlon, hello :), please trigger an update of the i386-whitelist
[19:18] <vorlon> ricotz: done
[19:19] <ricotz> thank you
[19:44] <rbasak> vorlon: mokutil> thank you for the comment - I hadn't thought of that. OK to release then?
[19:44] <vorlon> rbasak: I haven't looked in detail at the rest, but i386 shouldn't be a blocker
[19:44] <rbasak> I reviewed the rest earlier so I'll release now then - thanks!
[19:45] <ricotz> vorlon, just to confirm, the i386-whitelist update, you made, should affect all series?
[19:46] <vorlon> ricotz: oh, I only did it for mantic. which series do you need?
[19:46] <ricotz> vorlon, jammy, kinetic and lunar
[19:46] <vorlon> ricotz: ok doing
[19:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added nvidia-graphics-drivers-535 to i386-whitelist in mantic
[20:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Removed mozjs102 from i386-whitelist in jammy
[20:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Removed nvidia-graphics-drivers-418-server from i386-whitelist in lunar
[20:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added gcc-13 to i386-whitelist in jammy
[20:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added gcc-13-cross to i386-whitelist in jammy
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[20:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added nvidia-graphics-drivers-535 to i386-whitelist in jammy
[20:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added debiandoc-sgml to i386-whitelist in lunar
[20:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added libroman-perl to i386-whitelist in lunar
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[20:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added nvidia-graphics-drivers-535 to i386-whitelist in lunar
[20:50] <ricotz> vorlon, thanks, seems like kinetic didn't made it
[21:02] <vorlon> ricotz: trying again
[21:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Removed nvidia-graphics-drivers-tesla from i386-whitelist in kinetic
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[00:00] <elopss> I really need help guys
[00:00] <elopss> :(
[00:06] <elopss> norelatime doesnt get passed to the kernel, it just cancels out any relatime in the mount command
[00:07] <elopss> so all new linux kernels are going to do this?
[00:17] <elopss> i just wrote my own mounter to pass strictatime, that works.. (mount.nfs wont pass it to the kernel)
[12:16] <Wellark_> Hi! where can I find debug package for 2.6.31-14? http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/main/l/linux/ has packages for -15 but no -14 :/
[12:24] <Wellark_> ah, ok. -15 is in karmic-proposed.. I just grab it from there
[15:50] <Keybuk> apw: "There's now ext4 support for GRUB, and Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) is enabled by default on systems with NVIDIA, ATI and Intel video cards for a faster and smoother graphical boot. "
[15:51] <Keybuk> from the Fedora 12 release notes
[15:51] <Keybuk> did they get over their nouveau objection?
[16:00] <mjg59> Keybuk: We've never had one?
[16:00] <mjg59> Nouveau's been the default driver since it got stable for 2D
[16:01] <Keybuk> mjg59: I've heard claim from RH people that there's some number <100 of bytes of code in the driver that's maybe config data, maybe executable code, etc.
[16:01] <Keybuk> and that has been considered an issue
[16:02] <mjg59> Keybuk: You'd need to ask your lawyers. Ours apparently had no problem.
[16:02] <mjg59> (I infer - I haven't actually asked them)
[16:02] <mjg59> The reason we didn't ship it before was purely that it didn't work terribly well...
[16:08] <Keybuk> mjg59: like I say, this is something I heard from RH people
[16:08] <Keybuk> and then from andy
[16:10] <mjg59> Keybuk: It's something that was a vague concern, but as far as I know it was sorted
[16:11] <Keybuk> good to know
[16:11] <Keybuk> I came up with a name for F13 ;)
[16:11] <Keybuk> Constantine ... is a bad film starring Keanu Reeves ... :p
[16:11] <mjg59> (Some time ago - we had nouveau by default in F11)
[16:11] <mjg59> Ha
[16:11] <Keybuk> so clearly Fedroa 13 (Matrix)
[16:11] <mjg59> I shudder to think of what would happen to the artwork
[16:12] <mjg59> Thankfully, I think Matrix would fall at the trademark barrier
[16:12] <Keybuk> it'd be funny though ;)
[16:24] <penguin42> I've looked at a bunch of the packaged kernel rebuild instructions and I don't see where any of them lets me give a modified name to the packages - is there a simple way of doing that? (Ditto is there a simple place to drop a patch file in or is it just a matter of patching the linux-2.6.31 dir after it's been unpacked by an apt-get source ?
[17:55] <Keybuk> cking: around?
[17:55] <Keybuk> if you'd like to join in the btrfs discussion, we'd appreciate your presence
[18:06] <cking> Keybuk, attending - having some audio issues - hold on a sec
[20:09] <wamty> is there a way to *slow down* the linux boot process? i tried already the boot parameters boot_debug=3 and boot_delay=2000, but did not see that anything has changed
[20:13] <penguin42> I could swear there was an option for adding a delay after each printk
[20:14] <wamty> my problem is that my linux-computer turns itself off during the early boot process in 3 out of 4 tries.
[20:29] <JanC> wamty: you can always look at the logs?
[20:39] <tormod> wamty, netconsole might help you
[20:49] <wamty> JanC: i checked dmesg, /var/log/dmseg and /var/log/messages: nothing found
[20:57] <penguin42> wamty: How far does it get before it dies?
[21:28] <ghostcube> apw: my webcam bug is so strange the cam worked now for 3 days and today again nothing
[21:28] <ghostcube> :)
[22:04] <TheMuso> apw: FYI ports-meta uploaded for lucid.
[23:29] <Keybuk> apw: any particular reason the schedule() function is missing from 2.6.32-4 ? :)
[23:29] <apw> Keybuk, its not ...
[23:29] <apw> i had one out of tree dirver beahave that way
[23:30] <Keybuk> apw: wl_linux.c:702: error: implicit declaration of function 'schedule'
[23:30] <apw> some header has stopped beinging included in some other header
[23:30] <apw> yep thats the one
[23:30] <apw> there is meant to be a fix for that
[23:30] <apw> NCommander, ^^ didn't you have the fix for that
[23:30] <apw> did it get uploaded?
[23:31] <Keybuk> apw: I can't find any header that declares that
[23:31] <apw> its definatly not gone away, we had to include linux/sched.h or something similar
[23:31] <apw> i can check more detailedly later
[23:31] <Keybuk> oh, right
[23:31] <Keybuk> sorry
[23:31] <Keybuk> being a tit
[23:32] <NCommander> apw, Keybuk the patch sat on Launchpad and never got merged
[23:32] <apw> well crap ... so ok ... we need to get that merged and uploaded to fix the mini 10v boot performance bit
[23:33] <NCommander> apw, Keybuk, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/broadcom-sta/+bug/458757
[23:33] <apw> NCommander, you had a PPA build or somesuch which i must have on my machine as i can install
[23:33] <ubot3> Malone bug 458757 in bcmwl "[patch] bcmwl fails to build with dkms on lucid 2.6.32-HEAD kernels" [High,Confirmed]
[23:33] <NCommander> apw, I can throw it in a PPA if you need it ASAP
[23:33] <apw> Keybuk, how urgent is it for you ...
[23:33] <Keybuk> apw: I can edit C code ;)
[23:33] <apw> its actually damn hard to edit the dkms poop to make it work
[23:34]  * NCommander notes it took a few hours for me and apw to figure it out
[23:34] <Keybuk> really?
[23:34] <Keybuk> I just edited the unpacked bcmwl-kernel-source package and did dpkg-reconfigure on it
[23:35] <NCommander> Keybuk, it wasn't obviously on why went bust in the first place, then it took awhile to figure how to get DKMS to patch the source on build.
[23:35] <apw> there was something screwey in getting it to not undo the exposed source, i forget what
[23:35] <apw> if you have it working all is good
[23:35] <NCommander> Keybuk, could you nominate that bug for Lucid for me so the release team can see it?
[23:35] <Keybuk> huh?
[23:35] <Keybuk> lucid is months away
[23:36] <Keybuk> Just Fix It (tm)
[23:36] <apw> Keybuk, are you sorted for the 'now' ?  if so we can ignore it till next week
[23:39] <Keybuk> apw: yeah, but will need it fixed to do daily bootcharts and stuff
[23:40] <apw> yep.  just if you are good then we can get that one on the radar and get someone to upload it, i think it has the fix en-toto already just literally needs upload
[23:40] <apw> i am sure i have it so patched on my machine and can confirm its good
[23:41] <apw> NCommander, anythign stopping us just throwing it in the archive?  its lucid after all?
[23:41] <NCommander> apw, I don't have access to the bazaar branch to commit the change
[23:42] <apw> NCommander, ok how do i find out who does, whats the master branch name?
[23:44] <NCommander> apw, https://edge.launchpad.net/~albertomilone - this is the name on the branch
[23:44] <apw> perfect thanks
[23:53] <NCommander> o


[00:00] <valorie> can one of you who knows who handles bans in here, come into #ubuntu-ops?
[00:01] <valorie> is that you, belkinsa?
[00:02] <belkinsa> Yes, but I'm seem to be locked out of my account
[00:03] <belkinsa> I need to figure out my password
[00:04] <valorie> gosh, almost the whole chan here is on the op list
[00:04] <valorie> I really should ask to be added
[00:04] <valorie> both here and in #u-w
[00:04] <valorie> since I keep such weird hours
[00:05] <belkinsa> I think you should.
[00:05] <belkinsa> At least it can be reported as this is the LOGGED channel
[00:07] <valorie> sure, but we should have a bot
[00:07] <valorie> no response from #ubuntu-irc though
[00:08] <valorie> you might have to write to the council and explain the sitch
[00:08] <valorie> we can have a clone here; evidently there is only one instance of ubottu for each project
[00:09] <valorie> and we need bantracking more in #u-w than here
[00:09] <valorie> but still we should have a response to !ops commands and such
[00:09] <valorie> here
[00:11] <JanC> seems like it still works for me  :)
[00:12] <valorie> what do you mean, JanC?
[00:12] <JanC> valorie: not sure if I can do anything?
[00:12] <JanC> I also joined -ops
[00:12] <valorie> the troll has been klined
[00:13] <valorie> but we need to get a bot in here
[00:13] <JanC> do you need somebody with simple "ops" for that, or a channel owner?
[00:14] <valorie> not sure
[00:14]  * valorie doesn't have ops here
[00:19] <JanC> people in the access list who have +f should be able to add you to it
[00:20] <JanC> valorie: ^^^
[00:20] <valorie> cool
[00:20] <JanC> that's only 3 people though
[00:20] <valorie> I'll ask on the ubuntu-women list perhaps
[00:21] <JanC> bel kinsa, akg raner & ple ia2 (added spaces not to highlight them right now)
[00:22] <belkinsa> JanC, I still saw it.
[00:22] <valorie> ok
[00:22] <belkinsa> ;)
[00:23] <JanC> belkinsa: didn't know if you was still around  :)
[00:23] <JanC> and you said you lost your password, or something?
[00:23] <belkinsa> I'm, I'm writing an article for FCM.  No, I found it.
[00:23] <belkinsa> I think it's the ZNC bouncer that might be messing up
[00:24] <belkinsa> Okay, testing it
[00:26] <belkinsa> I was doing it wrong, I see now
[00:27]  * belkinsa needs to learn the commands...
[00:29] <valorie> I have a cheat sheet with the commands I learn
[00:29] <belkinsa> Care to share?
[00:29] <valorie> since they can be different depending on the server and the client
[00:29] <JanC> /msg chanserv help access|flags|...
[00:29] <valorie> sure, where shall I send it?
[00:29] <belkinsa><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:30] <belkinsa><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:31] <valorie> sent
[00:32] <belkinsa> To the ubuntu.com one?
[00:35] <valorie> yes
[00:35] <valorie> with a small text attachment
[00:35] <valorie> If it didn't come through, I can c/p instead
[00:37] <valorie> if a troll rattles me I prefer having something to c/p rather than relying on my memory
[00:38] <valorie> and some do, esp. when there are lots of them
[12:42] <belkinsa> Got, but it fell into my Junk E-mail box
[12:44] <Mikaela> got what? the cheatsheet?
[12:44] <belkinsa> Yes/
[12:45] <Mikaela> I would also be a little curious on it, but it probably has commands that I am used to using or then they are commnds which are ran by scripts
[22:33] <valorie> Mikaela: if you want a copy, np
[22:34] <valorie> it is basically the commands I use frequently, but so I can just copy/paste
[22:34] <valorie> as I said, mostly when I'm feeling rattled by troll attacks


[01:27] <berglh> anyone noticed a delay with "bringing up network interfaces" in 18.04 after upgrading a 17.10 install?
[01:30] <berglh> i've been noticing it take around ~5 mintues to get past this boot initialisation process
[01:31] <sarnold> which kernel are you on?
[01:32] <sarnold> I wonder if you hit the issue fixed in this USN https://usn.ubuntu.com/3718-1/
[01:44] <berglh> 4.15.0-29-generic #31-Ubuntu SMP
[01:45] <berglh> looks like i'm up to date
[01:45] <berglh> so.. i had always configured my interfaces with /etc/network/interfaces
[01:46] <berglh> it's looking like this has changed to netplan ?
[01:46] <berglh> i think i'm fighting a few problems; my system has been entering a weird state overnight
[01:48] <berglh> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Hq7yjqgxt5/
[01:48] <berglh> really weird behaivour; not sure why it's doing this shutdown/reboot
[01:48] <berglh> no errors in syslog before hand
[01:49] <berglh> i'm suspecting a potential problem with the PSU or simialr
[01:55] <berglh> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/scfKrQTg33/ That's the networking.service failure
[01:56] <berglh> one the machine boots; netowrk is working fine
[02:39] <sarnold> berglh: could you file a bug against netplan.io for that? I haven't got a clue :(
[03:17] <havenstance> berglh: have you noticed it shutting down/rebooting at the same time every night?
[03:17] <havenstance> or similar times maybe?
[03:20] <havenstance> cuz you might be on the right track, you could be having a PSU issue, however it seems if that were the case, it would do irregular things at various times not really able to be predicted.
[03:20] <berglh> havenstance: no, it's different
[03:21] <berglh> but it's in the morning
[03:21] <berglh> i.e. as the temperature is cooling
[03:21] <havenstance> then runs fine the rest of the day?
[03:21] <berglh> yes
[03:21] <havenstance> now that's odd
[03:21] <havenstance> even for a PSU going out but it's not farfetched, I've seen them make systems do some really strange things
[03:21] <havenstance> but this started immediately after the update?
[03:21] <berglh> i'm going to take the PSU out over the weekend and check teh caps
[03:22] <havenstance> the thing to look at is was it doing it before the update or not
[03:22] <berglh> i can't mention on the raising the interface bug
[03:22] <berglh> because it's a headless server
[03:22] <berglh> i only attached the display when i noticed it wasn't up
[03:23] <berglh> it's doing dhcp and dns for my network
[03:23] <berglh> so it's not great when it itsn't working
[03:23] <havenstance> hm, so you don't really know for sure if it was happening before you updated to 18.04?
[03:23] <berglh> all i know is that before hand it rebooted a lot faster
[03:23] <berglh> i.e. i'd applyg a new kernel and restart
[03:24] <berglh> then it'd be back up quite quickly
[03:24] <berglh> lately i've noticed it's seeming to take longer
[03:24] <berglh> i run smartd and scan my drives for errors etc
[03:24] <berglh> get emails if i'm having storage issues
[03:25] <havenstance> tbh, I might try a clean install as annoying as that may be, I know people have ran into issues in the past updating from a .10 to a .04 lts release.
[03:27] <havenstance> before I did that though I would check the PSU as your original plan was
[03:28] <havenstance> not sure what else to really have you try that others haven't already tbh
[03:30] <berglh> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Y6FyWSjWx8/
[03:31] <berglh> so that's the interesting thing
[03:31] <berglh> you'll see it's shutting down services before the kernel starts on the reboot
[03:33] <wr> on a ubuntu server if i set up some sites, is it possible seeing them via browser?
[03:43] <sarnold> wr: yes, a huge portion of the internet works exactly that way :)
[03:44] <wr> sarnold, what about core servers?
[03:45] <wr> sarnold, on a ubuntu server if i set up some sites, is it possible seeing them via browser on a core server?
[03:46] <sarnold> wr: do you mean one of these things? https://www.ubuntu.com/core
[03:46] <sarnold> wr: if so, I'd expect "yes", but you'd either have to find or create a *snap* to do the hosting
[03:47] <sarnold> ah here we are, the snap store https://snapcraft.io/store
[03:47] <wr> sarnold, in this case http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04.4/ubuntu-16.04.4-server-amd64.iso after install dont have a browser or GUI, so i need a GUI to see sites? right?
[03:48] <sarnold> wr: I use w3m all the time, no gui required.. but .. most people would indeed rather use a gui web browser
[03:48] <wr> sarnold, i mean if this is the only way or there are some alternatives
[03:49] <sarnold> wr: what exactly are you trying to do?
[03:50] <wr> sarnold, i had a work here to do but it says to use a ubuntu server 16.4.4 but my teacher told to open sites and some use ssl etc
[03:50] <sarnold> wr: aha, I think I understand better
[03:51] <sarnold> wr: you can certainly start from the ubuntu-server iso and add packages with apt-get install to get to a functioning desktop computer
[03:51] <sarnold> but you might be better served to start with one of the desktop images instead, since they'll have selected a bunch of packages useful on desktops
[03:51] <wr> sarnold, im in doubt if he did any mistake, because at start we used a regular ubuntu then this work asks for a server
[03:52] <sarnold> wr: you can always install the server software on desktop, that works great. the only slight oddity is that "servers" don't normally use network-manager, but that's the most convenient way to use desktops and laptops..
[03:52] <wr> sarnold, yes i know, but only way is to add a GUI right?
[03:53] <sarnold> sure, if you want; apt-get install ubuntu-desktop     would get you most of the way there
[03:53] <wr> sarnold, what i mean is that nobody tests sites on a ubuntu server core via browser i guess
[03:54] <sarnold> wr: I don't know about "nobody"
[03:54] <sarnold> but it's surely more common to have two computers or a computer and a VM instance somewhere
[03:56] <sarnold> wr: it's time for me to bail.. I hope you have fun :)
[03:56] <wr> sarnold, basically i have apache2 php libapache2-mod-php
[03:56] <wr> sarnold, normally how do you test installed sites on this iso?
[03:57] <sarnold> like normal..
[03:57] <sarnold> firefox https://whatever/
[03:57] <sarnold> w3m https://whatever/
[03:57] <wr> sarnold, but gotta have a GUI right?
[03:57] <sarnold> wr: no
[03:57] <sarnold> w3m doesn't require a gui
[03:58] <sarnold> try it, w3m https://www.google.com
[03:58] <wr> sarnold, from shell i just firefox &
[03:58] <wr> sarnold, w3m i know it works, and links etc
[03:58] <sarnold> there ya go :D no gui required
[03:58] <wr> but if it is firefox
[03:59] <wr> sarnold, on ff gotta have GUI?
[08:17] <Haris> hello all
[08:17] <Haris> guys, is there a way to make ruid2 work with apache on 14.x ?
[08:17] <Haris> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS"
[08:38] <sixsix> I'm trying to install 18.04 on a bios (non-uefi) system. It installs just fine, creates a 1mb bios_boot partition, and the rest of the FS. The problem is, the disk will not boot - the system insists the disk is not bootable
[08:38] <sixsix> even if I boot from the installed and tell it to 'boot first disk' it won't boot
[08:39] <sixsix> s/installed/installer
[08:47] <sdeziel> sixsix: are you able to use the live environment to inspect the not bootable drive?
[08:48] <sdeziel> sixsix: if yes, I'd be curious to see the output of "fdisk -l /dev/sda" (assuming the drive is sda)
[08:54] <sixsix> I can use the installer's live environment, it addresses disks by /dev/disk/by-<whatever>/ etc - I don't have a console I can easily copy/paste on it but effectively it creates 2 partitions
[08:55] <sixsix> the first is 1mb and type is Bios boot
[08:55] <sixsix> the 2nd is the remaining disk and is type Linux Filesystem
[08:58] <sixsix> actually, I can copy/paste
[08:58] <blackflow> sixsix: you can pipe output of commands to termbin.com if you have network tehre.    eg, fdisk -l /dev/sda | nc termbin.com 9999   then paste here the URL you get
[08:59] <blackflow> so first question is, are you 100% sure that's a BIOS (legacy) boot and not EFI?
[08:59] <sixsix> /dev/disk/by-id/ata-ST3500418AS_5VM7J0XC-part1 2048 4095 2048 1M BIOS boot
[08:59] <sixsix> /dev/disk/by-id/ata-ST3500418AS_5VM7J0XC-part2 4096 976771071 976766976 465.8G Linux filesystem
[08:59] <sixsix> quite certain - checking the dmesg on the usb installer has no mention of efi
[08:59] <sixsix> it's an intel 965 chipset
[09:00] <blackflow> and you're sure the correct drive is selected for boot?
[09:00] <sixsix> it's the only drive in the system
[09:01] <blackflow> can you confirm the partitioning is GPT?
[09:05] <sixsix> parted says it is
[09:05] <sixsix> oh and fdisk which says Disklabel type: gpt
[09:06] <blackflow> sixsix: and this was installed by ubuntu installer?
[09:07] <sixsix> yes, default 'use entire disk' option on the new 18.04 server installer
[09:19] <Olivier[m]> The output of `sudo parted /dev/sda print` may help here.
[09:19] <blackflow> sixsix: do you know how to chroot into installed root? Wanted to suggest you try re-run   grub-install /dev/sda      -- assuming it's /dev/sda   , from the chroot of installed root.
[09:22] <sixsix> I can chroot in to the 2nd partition, but /dev isn't mounted when I do as that's not what booted
[09:24] <sixsix> parted's output is: https://gist.github.com/iamsix/178a4c584610c7bbb82a4f492d3fea17
[09:24] <Olivier[m]> sixsix: You need to rbind that mount `sudo mount -rbind /dev/ /<path-to-chroot>/dev`.
[09:24] <Olivier[m]> Same for `/sys`
[09:24] <blackflow> sixsix: so you don't know how to chroot. :)   you have to bind mount some dirs from the "host" side.    assuming you've mounted the installed root to /mnt    =>    mount -t proc proc /mnt/proc ; mount -R /dev /mnt/dev ; mount -R /sys /mnt/sys
[09:25] <blackflow> then you can     chroot /mnt
[09:26] <sixsix> ok, grub install seems to have worked
[09:27] <sixsix> let's see if it will boot that though...
[09:28] <sixsix> npoe, still no bootable device found :/
[09:29] <blackflow> sixsix: how old is that machine?
[09:30] <sixsix> board is from around 2008 as far as I can find
[09:30] <blackflow> Well, yeah. I'm thinking that machine is so old, it has no idea how to boot from GPT
[09:32] <sixsix> I figured as much too.. I'm not sure why the installer would have installed it with gpt though
[09:32] <sixsix> and the default usb installer boots perfectly (just dd the iso to a usb key) but it looks like that uses some kind of active MBR partition
[09:35] <blackflow> sixsix: perhaps you can pre-partition the disk from the live env using MBR based table, and then the installer might be able to re-use thos partitions. or you can debootstrap the installation for fully manual installation.    I don't see in the new subiquity menus where to select GPT vs MBR, so I don't know what else to suggest.
[10:01] <Yoyoyoooo> Hi, I know this channel isn't about LTSP, however I am trying to set up LTSP on Ubuntu Server 18.04, however I am struggling to find support anywhere, your "more reliable" wiki is no longer maintained and just points me to the LTSP wiki for instructions on how to install LTSP onto Ubuntu 18.04, however, despite LTSP claiming their guide is more stable, I've found it more troublesome than it's worth, especially considering I'
[10:02] <Yoyoyoooo> "Connection Refused" from nbd-client on the thin clients and then dropped to a BusyBox shell. I really don't know what to do, and don't know how to explain what I've tried as I am struggling to understand the architecture.
[10:10] <sdeziel> Yoyoyoooo: I don't know nbd-client much but if you get a connection refused message it could indicate that there is no server listening at the destination
[10:12] <Haris> I think I have mor ruid2 for apache working on another 14.x install. Why is it not working her e?
[10:13] <sdeziel> Yoyoyoooo: on the server end, could you try running "sudo ss -nltp" and pastebin the output?
[10:13] <Haris> Do the desktop and server version(s) have different maintainer(s) for mod ruid2 for apache2 ?
[10:14] <sdeziel> Haris: I'd say no
[10:19] <Haris> mod ruid2 is not working on one 14.x install
[10:21] <blackflow> Haris: define "not working"?
[10:22] <Haris> when code writes file to disk, it doesn't get ownership of the u/g its process should be running as
[10:25] <blackflow> Haris: are you sure the config is correct? Maybe that question is better suited to #apache. Have you consulted the documentation? https://github.com/mind04/mod-ruid2
[10:25] <Haris> yes, my config is standard, working normally on other distributions(s) as well
[10:26] <blackflow> Haris: pastebin it please?
[10:33] <Haris> will do
[10:33] <Haris> is php 7.2 available on xenial ?
[10:33] <Haris> for production
[10:36] <blackflow> Haris: there's a PPA, with all the caveats of that.   https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/ubuntu/php
[10:57] <Haris> https://pastebin.com/raw/EfrS59j0
[10:57] <Haris> this is for mod ruid2 issue
[11:33] <RoyK> blackflow: PPAs for production? ;)
[11:39] <Haris> PPAs are going into produciton all over the world. nothing new about it
[11:39] <Haris> guys, any feedback on the paste for mod ruid2 ?
[11:40] <ahasenack> never heard of this module before, sorry
[11:41] <Haris> its a mod to make sure the apache2 process serving a runs with the ownership + perms of that u/g
[11:41] <Haris> %s/serving a runs/serving requests runs/
[11:41] <Haris> with this I can segregate each vhost with a separate u/g on a linux machine
[11:41] <Haris> %s/with/using/
[12:15] <Haris> https://pastebin.com/raw/gvC1hZBg
[12:15] <Haris> fresh paste
[12:16] <Haris> does apache2 mod ruid2 work on 14.x ?
[12:16] <Haris> its not working for me
[12:26] <Haris> guys, anyone around at this hour
[12:30] <Ussat> I dont see any reason it would not, its more an apache thing than Ubuntu thing
[12:32] <Haris> but its not working on this one instance of 14.x
[12:32] <Haris> file being saved from php code is getting saved with root privileges
[12:35] <yeats> Haris: nothing in the apache2 logs about it?
[12:35] <Haris> nope
[12:36] <yeats> I've never used that mod, but you might do better asking in an apache channel/forum (or contacting the devs? https://github.com/mind04/mod-ruid2).  Project looks dead to me though.
[13:04] <ahasenack> when a bug is filed against a package in xenial, for example. We verify it's indeed a bug there, but it's fixed already in later releases
[13:05] <ahasenack> should we mark the main task as fix released, and add a task for xenial? Or only do the later if we are committing to an sru?
[13:07] <rbasak> IMHO, add a task for Xenial if it's a verified bug (ie. can be Triaged).
[13:07] <rbasak> If not committing to an SRU, that can be made clear in a comment. If definitely refusing an SRU, it can always be changed to Won't Fix.
[13:07] <rbasak> I'm also in favour of setting Won't Fix even if it's just "for now" to set user expectations. The nuances can be made clear in a comment.
[13:15] <ahasenack> turns out bionic and cosmic are also affected by this bug I'm triaging, I though they would not be. But the question was worth it
[13:15] <ahasenack> thought*
[13:15] <mmerlone> Hi, greetings from Brazil!
[13:15] <ahasenack> hi mmerlone, bom dia
[13:16] <mmerlone> Is there something wrong with ubuntu repos? I am unable to apt install ntp traceroute, "No candidate version found for traceroute"
[13:16] <mmerlone> Tryied http://br.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu and http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[13:17] <ahasenack> mmerlone: I had trouble with that mirror yesterday and removed it for the time being
[13:17] <ahasenack> the br one, I mean
[13:17] <ahasenack> the main one (archive.u.c) should be fine
[13:17] <mmerlone> just tryied "us.archive.ubuntu.com and got the same
[13:17] <ahasenack> mmerlone: that bein said, traceroute is in universe
[13:18] <ahasenack> mmerlone: maybe you don't have universe enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[13:18] <mmerlone> I did
[13:18] <mmerlone> OOpps
[13:18] <ahasenack> and did "apt update" succeed before that?
[13:19] <mmerlone> just got the latest 18.04.1 iso, seems is a little different
[13:19] <ahasenack> did you use the new installer?
[13:19] <ahasenack> if yes, it sounds like https://bugs.launchpad.net/subiquity/+bug/1783129
[13:19] <mmerlone> http://pasted.co/4f2881b4
[13:19] <mmerlone> yes, new installer
[13:19] <ahasenack> ok, so it's the bug I linked above
[13:20] <sdeziel> mmerlone: I like mtr-tiny as traceroute client personally, it's in main :)
[13:20] <ahasenack> feel free to click on "Does this bug affect you?" bit there :)
[13:21] <mmerlone> just did. Will get sources.list from another server
[13:23] <mmerlone> ahasenack: thank you!
[13:23] <ahasenack> mmerlone: sorry about the bug, at least it's easy to fix
[13:24] <ahasenack> or rather, easy to apply a fix
[17:04] <ahasenack> rbasak: do you remember if protobuf-c was ever discussed for a MIR?
[17:06] <nacc> ahasenack: LP: #801735
[17:06] <nacc> :)
[17:06] <Ussat> 18.04.1 out ?
[17:06] <ahasenack> hm, I searched
[17:06] <nacc> ahasenack: you have to advanced search -> change the states
[17:07] <nacc> !isitoutyet
[17:07] <nacc> Ussat: -^ :)
[17:07] <nacc> Ussat: not sure if the ISOs are spun
[17:08] <ahasenack> but it's in universe right now
[17:08] <ahasenack> I guess whatever required it is no longer there, and it was demoted?
[17:09] <ahasenack> collectd perhaps, which was the motivation for that particular mir back then
[17:09] <nacc> it was in main in oneiric, then in universe in oneiric
[17:09] <nacc> (per publishing history)
[17:10] <nacc> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/protobuf-c/0.14-1build1
[17:11] <nacc> same srcpkg/version, too
[17:11] <ahasenack> it briefly touched main
[17:12] <ahasenack> well, that is making the bind9 delta grow now
[17:12] <ahasenack> yet another build-depends we have to drop because it's in universe
[17:13] <Ussat> nacc, I am more interested in testing a 16 --> 18 upgrade
[17:14] <oerheks> yes, the server isos are published http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[17:15] <nacc> Ussat: ah yes, then you should be fine
[17:15] <nacc> Ussat: i'm not sure if the upgrade path is 'enabled' or not yet
[17:15] <Ussat> nacc, ya will wait on that
[17:15] <Ussat> I have 6 test systems with apps on em primed and ready
[18:16] <dpb1> popey: is there a discourse bot that could echo new posts into here?
[18:16] <popey> I'm not aware of one
[18:17] <popey> you could use rss? https://discourse.ubuntu.com/c/server.rss
[18:18] <dpb1> hm
[18:18] <popey> dunno if there's a generic rss to irc bot (probably is, the venn diagram of "people who use irc" and "people who use rss" probably overlaps closely) :)
[18:19] <dpb1> yes, gotta think so
[18:19] <dpb1> https://github.com/meigrafd/feedie
[18:19] <popey> i can take a look next week
[18:19] <popey> but feel free to ping if you need help setting something up
[18:19] <dpb1> thanks, I might play around with it
[18:19] <popey> (I imagine you don't need my help to spin up a mini aws and put that code on though) :D
[18:20] <dpb1> heh
[18:20] <popey> have a great weekend
[18:20] <popey> o/
[18:20] <dpb1> cya
[18:27] <beowuff> Woah... The 18.04.1 /etc/apt/sources.list is almost empty!
[18:28] <beowuff> Oh, I see the bug linked above.
[18:47] <Ussat> Gonna be updating a few 18 test servers tomorrow I think, and a few 16->18 tests soon(ish)
[18:48] <tomreyn> then i'll do it after 'soon(ish)' ;)
[18:54] <Ussat> so shoult a dist-upgrade get get to to latest 18.04.1 ?
[18:54] <Ussat> should
[18:54] <ahasenack> if you are on 18.04, yes
[18:55] <Ussat> ok, gonne do a test run on personal VM
[18:55] <Ussat> thanks
[21:26] <saint_> hi - can someone tell me what are the requirements to instsall openstack using conjure , regarding web server ? I followed the documentation at https://www.ubuntu.com/download/cloud/try-openstack but it looks like conjure does not intall a web server ..
[21:32] <sarnold> saint_: conjure-up is normally used for *complicated* installations, like openstack or kubernetes; the kinds of things that require a dozen different interacting services on dozens or thousands of computers..
[21:32] <sarnold> saint_: if you just want to automate creating a webserver VM instance on an openstack cloud, juju might be a better fit for that
[21:33] <saint_> sarnold i used conjure to actually install openstack
[21:34] <saint_> it s just that now open stack GUI is using Horizon on a web server, and I thought conjure-up would have installed it (the web server)
[21:35] <sarnold> saint_: aha!
[21:35] <sarnold> saint_: yes, I'd expect a horizon somewhere on a brand new cloud..
[21:35] <saint_> and i tried to install apache , but it is still not working . i guess i have to install apache first, horizon, then open stack ?
[21:36] <sarnold> I *really* hope not
[21:36] <sarnold> that would not be convenient
[21:37] <saint_> i tried 2 times just in case i screwed up. and every time there is no WWW server installed..
[21:37] <sarnold> the guide here suggests that it should just be accessible at http://some.ip.address/horizon https://www.ubuntu.com/download/cloud/try-openstack
[21:37] <saint_> that s the guide i followed.
[21:37] <saint_> and it is not accessible, since there is no www server installed
[21:39] <sarnold> did you install it into lxd instances on your machine? or multiple machines? or a public cloud..?
[21:40] <saint_> ldx on the same machine
[21:40] <saint_> i m just trying it out for now
[21:41] <nacc> then wouldn't it be one of the lxd's IPs?
[21:41] <sarnold> saint_: does lxd list show you the new lxd guests?
[21:41] <sarnold> does it show any issues?
[21:41] <saint_> no issue
[21:42] <sarnold> does it show an IP address for seomthing that looks like it probably hosts horizon?
[21:42] <saint_> lxd show the list of vm i have
[21:42] <saint_> yes, and it is the ip address i am trying to access without success
[21:42] <saint_> netstat -nap|grep 80 shows that no service is listening on port 80
[21:42] <nacc> saint_: that's run *in* the horizon lxd?
[21:43] <saint_> no clue. i am restoring my previous image, and trying again. stand by
[21:43] <saint_> it s going to take a while actually.
[21:43] <nacc> saint_: ... you should have a clue
[21:43] <nacc> as in, you ran that commadn *somewhere*
[21:43] <nacc> where did you run it? hint, pastebins are helpful for this kind of thing
[21:43] <saint_> i mean yes. lxc list shows the machines i tried from the cloud
[21:43] <saint_> but NOT the horizon
[21:44] <nacc> what?
[21:44] <nacc> saint_: i feel like that sentence didn't make sense
[21:44] <nacc> if you don't have a horizon lxd, then I don't know where you ran netstat
[21:46] <saint_> in the host os (ubuntu itself)
[21:46] <sarnold> ah!
[21:46] <nacc> then that weas ... i think, wrong
[21:46] <nacc> https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/install-openstack-with-conjure-up#2
[21:46] <saint_> i restored my old image . reinstalling now to see what went wrong where ..
[21:47] <nacc> says at the end it gives you the explicit url
[21:47] <sarnold> you have to execute the netstat or ss command within the lxd instance that is hosting horizon
[21:47] <saint_> dang it !
[21:47] <saint_> i bypassed the last screen !
[21:47] <nacc> don't know why you'd do that, but ok  :)
[21:48] <nacc> you can still find it from the lxd containers deployed, i think
[21:48] <sarnold> lxd list should show the IP address, iirc
[21:48] <nacc> lxc list, and see if
[21:48] <saint_> nacc this tutorial is way better than the other one i followed
[21:48] <saint_> i ll try now.
[21:48] <nacc> sarnold: lxc, right, not lxd?
[21:48] <saint_> i mean. now that i restored an old image, it s going to take a while. i ll be back in a little
[21:48] <saint_> yes, lxc
[21:48] <nacc> sarnold: just making sure i didn't miss a cli change! :)
[21:48] <sarnold> nacc: argh. right. I *hate* the 'lxc' command name to use the lxd service. so confusing.
[21:48] <nacc> sarnold: :)
[21:50] <nacc> https://github.com/conjure-up/conjure-up/issues/725
[21:50] <nacc> indicates you can use juju status to find the openstack-dashboard machine id and then that correlates to a lxd ip
[21:50] <nacc> or even just the unit directly, i guess
[21:51] <sarnold> nacc: aha, good find. I'm .. saddened, but not shocked, that lxc list doesn't know the purpose of each container :(
[21:51] <nacc> sarnold: it might name them usefully, but that feels like an implementation detail
[23:09] <skylite> how can I determine if a package is virtual and how can I find it's non-virtual versions?
[23:15] <nacc> skylite: iirc, virtual means it's in the provides: line of a package
[23:15] <nacc> skylite: context?
[23:16] <skylite> yes
[23:16] <skylite> The following package(s) are "virtual package" names: pure-ftpd
[23:16] <skylite> and I cant find which package should be the non-virtual(s)
[23:16] <skylite> to avoid this
[23:17] <nacc> skylite: i think you need grep-status (from dctrl-tools) to do it; at least that's one way
[23:18] <nacc> skylite: wht version of ubuntu?
[23:19] <nacc> skylite: on 18.04, pure-ftpd is a real pakcage, and afaict, in all releases
[23:21] <skylite> according to salt it isn't
[23:21] <skylite> not sure where it gets that
[23:21] <nacc> skylite: sorry, not sure what salt is in this context
[23:21] <skylite> saltstack
[23:22] <skylite> but it does not have a problem with pure-ftpd-common
[23:22] <nacc> skylite: is that an ubuntu package? `apt-cache policy pure-ftpd` ?
[23:22] <nacc> skylite: you still haven't said what version of ubuntu, btw
[23:22] <skylite> sry 18
[23:22] <nacc> skylite: ok, 18.04?
[23:22] <nacc> skylite: 18 isn't a version :)
[23:23] <nacc> !info pure-ftpd bionic
[23:23] <nacc> real, not virtual package --^
[23:23] <skylite> strange
[23:24] <nacc> skylite: if you can verify the policy output,  you should be able to see what's going on better
[23:25] <skylite> policy output?
[23:25] <nacc> skylite: asked for above, `apt-cache policy pure-ftpd`
[23:26] <skylite> yes
[23:26] <nacc> skylite: fyi, https://askubuntu.com/questions/366135/how-to-search-for-packages-that-provides-a-virtual-package may be useful in the future
[23:27] <skylite> I tried it and it gives back 3 packages for pure-ftpd
[23:27] <skylite> pure-ftpd-ldap pure-ftpd-mysql and pure-ftpd-postgresql
[23:28] <skylite> nacc: how is it not a virtual package then?
[23:29] <nacc> skylite: do you not have universe enabled?
[23:29] <nacc> skylite: can you pastebin the output?
[23:31] <skylite> https://pastebin.com/pXGCUBNK
[23:31] <nacc> skylite: that's your sources.list
[23:31] <skylite> sorry what did you want
[23:32] <nacc> skylite: `apt-cache policy pure-ftpd`
[23:32] <skylite> https://pastebin.com/GL6d4dV6
[23:33] <nacc> ...
[23:33] <nacc> that clearly shows it's installable
[23:33] <nacc> skylite: i feel like you're trolling, maybe?
[23:33] <skylite> not really
[23:33] <skylite> if its a virtual package
[23:33] <skylite> what would be different? is a virtual package not installable?
[23:34] <nacc> it's *not* virtua.
[23:34] <nacc> you can install it, as that output shows
[23:34] <nacc> a virtual package is like a symbol a bunch of packages provide
[23:34] <nacc> you need to tell apt which provider you wantto use, you can't install a virtual package
[23:34] <nacc> but pure-ftpd is *not* a virtual package
[23:35] <skylite> ok it just never says that its a virtual
[23:35] <skylite> so if it was virtual it should show multiple packages?
[23:36] <skylite> ah ok
[23:36] <skylite> so for example
[23:36] <skylite> apt show awk | grep "not a real package"
[23:36] <skylite> ok sorry I missed that line
[23:37] <nacc> skylite: you can't search for virtual packages easily
[23:37] <nacc> skylite: yes, ok, awk is a virtual package
[23:38] <nacc> use the link i pasted above, or grep-status to figure out what provides it
[23:38] <nacc> i'm eod, but you kind of went in a big circle, which is why i said trolling :)
[23:38] <skylite> it's just wierd that only the virtual packages are identified clearly by apt
[23:38] <skylite> and the ones are not I just have to know that they are not virtual
[23:39] <nacc> skylite: i'm not sure why this is a problem in general
[23:39] <nacc> on 18.04, as well, apt will tell you what provides it
[23:39] <skylite> maybe its just me then
[23:39] <nacc> i just tested with awk
[23:39] <nacc> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8hZTxWSyw6/
[23:40] <nacc> skylite: in any case, i think you should do some more testing/reading, this isn't a general problem for most users, afaict
[23:40] <nacc> have a nice evening
[23:40] <skylite> salt mislead me
[23:40] <skylite> thx:)
[23:49] <cryptodan> Why do I keep getting this error on ubuntu server 16.04 Jan  6 20:29:15 server kernel: [ 5493.523309] aacraid: Host adapter abort request (4,0,0,0)
[23:51] <cryptodan> Dell PowerEdge 4600 the error never happened on Ubuntu 14.04
[23:55] <tomreyn> http://ask.microsemi.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/15357/~/error%3A-aacraid%3A-host-adapter-abort-request
[23:56] <sarnold> nice find
[23:56] <cryptodan_mobile> donest work
[23:56] <tomreyn> but very old, not a good explanation
[23:56] <cryptodan_mobile> doesnt*
[23:56] <tomreyn> there is also https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1557659
[23:58] <sarnold> dang. that makes me think it'll be kernel bisect time
[23:58] <tomreyn> sounds like it. also i dont seem to spot the workaround discussed there
[23:59] <tomreyn> comment 19 i guess
[23:59] <cryptodan_mobile> im going back to ubuntu 14.04 its obvious there is an issue in newer distros


[06:06] <raevol> https://openmw.org/2014/openmw-0-32-0-released/
[06:06] <darthrobot> Title: [OpenMW 0.32.0 Released! | OpenMW, Open source Elderscrolls III: Morrowind reimplementation, Morrowind remake, Morrowind remade,]


[00:21] <RAOF> *Urgh*. If anyone else is hitting a `==113918==Shadow memory range interleaves with an existing memory mapping. ASan cannot proceed correctly. ABORTING.` error while trying to use `wlcs.asan` on an ASan-instrumented Mir, *one* of the ways this error message gets generated is if ASan tries to load multiple times. Which can happen if, say, your `wlcs.asan` links against `libasan.so.6` because it was built with gcc-11 and your
[00:21] <RAOF> `miral_wlcs_integration.so` links against `libasan.so.8` because *it* was built with gcc-12 😠
[02:45] <RAOF> 🎉 Guess which fool locked himself out of his office again 🎉
[05:11] <RAOF> 🤦♀ [The #1 cutting edge debugging tip](https://jml.io/2014/07/cutting-edge-debugging.html) strikes again!
[06:49] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq closed [issue #2598](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2598): Can't interact with window after move until the cursor is moved
[06:59] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq opened [issue #2625](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2625): Prevent moving windows under shell components... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/0f146c499245b7a06322b8ff90c361c402ae0a01)
[07:08] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq closed [issue #467](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/467): Remote desktop support
[07:09] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added bug to [issue #2625](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2625): Prevent moving windows under shell components
[07:10] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq opened [issue #2626](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2626): Implement Modifier+Drag window move gesture
[07:10] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server-
[07:10] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- > While #2625 is debatable ("I _want_ to move my window under the panel!"), we're missing a common pattern where you can Modifier+Drag windows to recover them from most corners of the world.
[07:10] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- enhancement
[07:10] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added enhancement to [issue #2626](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2626): Implement Modifier+Drag window move gesture
[11:30] <Saviq> alan_g my Firefox window just flashed a couple minutes ago
[11:31] <Saviq> I'll try runing it under WAYLAND_DEBUG=1 and stop it as soon as I can after noticing a flash, maybe that could give a clue?
[11:32] <alan_g[m]> A shame. Yes, it might. (But equally, might not)
[12:00] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths opened [pull request #2627](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2627): [MinimalWindowManager] Move pointer-drag implementation from examples
[12:00] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server-
[12:00] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- > Fixes: #2626
[12:10] <Saviq> alan_g I think I caught a flash:
[12:11] <Saviq> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sdnycjB3GC/
[12:12] <Saviq> I pasted more, but I think it must've happened after around line 1000 - there's quite a lot of buffer handling there
[13:19] <alan_g[m]> Nothing "leaping out" as unusual. I assume the Miriway logs have nothing odd around that time?
[13:22] <alan_g[m]> Or, maybe... around that point a buffer of a different sort is created:
[13:22] <alan_g[m]> [1089876,711]  -> zwp_linux_buffer_params_v1@92.create_immed(new id wl_buffer@106, 1920, 1163, 875713089, 0) (my hack only "fixes" shm buffers
[13:31] <alan_g[m]> Oops! My shell just crashed. (Using the latest version of my "sledgehammer")
[13:31] <alan_g[m]> (Lates local: Not the one that's pushed)
[13:55] <alan_g[m]> I think I just ran out of RAM (the core claims a SEGFAULT, but there really doesn't look like anything wrong)
[14:06] <Saviq> Another one: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sCV7mzMywp/
[14:06] <Saviq> There's less "after" now, I managed to catch it within a couple seconds
[14:07] <alan_g[m]> Also Firefox?
[14:07] <Saviq> Yes
[14:10] <alan_g[m]> You've seen it with other apps before, but (so far) only FF with this hack?
[14:10] <Saviq> I can't say that I saw it with other apps
[14:11] <Saviq> More likely than not, it was Firefox - as that's maybe 90% of my focus (especially on the older HW, using webapps rather than the Electron apps)
[14:14] <alan_g[m]> Firefox has history. As a result I've hacked my profile many times and may have options set that affect this.
[14:16] <Saviq> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/k7SPt3vCXv/ and another one, also 2-3s from the tail
[14:16] <Saviq> Maybe you can spot a pattern
[14:16] <alan_g[m]> Do you have 'user_pref("gfx.webrender.all", true);' in your user.js?
[14:16] <Saviq> No, false
[14:18] <alan_g[m]> That used to be needed to fix something. (Maybe getting FF to repaint outside "damage" areas, which it is supposed to do alway)
[14:20] <alan_g[m]> If that fixes your problem, it would be a useful clue
[14:21] <Saviq> Will turn on
[14:22] <Saviq> There is damage handling in the wayland log around where I think the flashes happen indeed
[14:26] <alan_g[m]> Damage handling is supposed to be an optimization hint. So it should be happening. What FF had wrong in the past was that buffers should be complete regardless so that compositors could ignore the hint if/when they needed to.
[14:27] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added enhancement to [issue #2628](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2628): Add edge-maximize behaviour
[14:27] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq opened [issue #2628](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2628): Add edge-maximize behaviour
[14:27] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server-
[14:27] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- > Now that #2584 is fixed, my favourite "drag a maximized window between displays" behaviour is missing. It may be DE-specific, so it probably needs to be configurable to some extent.
[14:27] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- enhancement
 "Damage handling is supposed to..." <- ACK, I just meant that there is evidence of damage reporting around where I see the issue, so it may be a valid clue
[14:37] <Saviq> NB: Peggy (the cyclone) just landed here. Wouldn't be surprised if I lose power / connectivity
[14:38] <Saviq> > Will turn on
[14:38] <Saviq> Just saw a flash despite `gfx.webrender.all == true`
[15:13] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added enhancement to [issue #2629](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2629): Alt+Tab should (optionally?) reorder apps it's switching between
[15:13] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq opened [issue #2629](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2629): Alt+Tab should (optionally?) reorder apps it's switching between... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/9ddca686e2cc9df4cd50e49437fe7ed113568a60)
[16:02] <Saviq> Good night o/


[13:01] <FourDollars> How do I use Launchpad API to get the information like https://launchpad.net/people/+me/+archivesubscriptions?
[13:03] <cjwatson> FourDollars: lp.me.getArchiveSubscriptions()
[13:03] <cjwatson> gets you a collection of https://launchpad.net/+apidoc/devel.html#archive_subscriber
[13:03] <FourDollars> cjwatson: Thx a lot. :D
[13:04] <cjwatson> (requires version='devel'; you should generally be using that anyway)
[13:06] <FourDollars> Got it.
[13:30] <FourDollars> How do I get those source lists by the collection of lp.me.getArchiveSubscriptions()?
[13:34] <cjwatson> FourDollars: https://launchpad.net/+apidoc/devel.html#person-getArchiveSubscriptionURL
[13:40] <ogra> i have build a kodi pi snap and am pondering if i should even bother to try to use build.snapcraft.io for it ... the build takes 4h, the first two for kodi, the last two it builds its addons from within its own build system ... each addon source is pulled from github during that process ... i assume the proxy token will expire earlier ?
[13:41] <ogra> (or are there chances to build such a snap without massively hacking up its build process (whic i wont do))
[13:44] <FourDollars> cjwatson: Weird. lp.me.getArchiveSubscriptionURL(archive=archive) returns a dict, but there is no source list inside.
[13:48] <FourDollars> My goal is to check if I subscribed the private PPA. If not, subscribe it.
[14:43] <FourDollars> OK. It works. lp.me.getArchiveSubscriptionURLs() returns the source list.


[15:15] <paultag> gilbert: ping
[15:15] <paultag> gilbert: what's up, you still up for some OLF hacking?
[21:02] <thafreak> anyone going to the key signing party friday night before OLF?


[12:56] <ubotu> New bug: #152145 in launchpad "Make clear that Launchpad is not just for free software" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/152145
[07:10] <ubotu> New bug: #152222 in launchpad "Horizontal rule doesn't clear floating div on blueprint index page" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/152222
[07:47] <jellopowderpuff> /server irc.efnet.info
[10:44] <danilos> all our servers had gone to sleep, or is the problem on my side?
[10:45] <danilos> apparently, on my side
[12:09] <wolfger> hello!
[12:09] <wolfger> I've been having problems accessing launchpad this morning. Is the site down?
[12:21] <Fujitsu> Wasn't the janitor meant to be turned off!?
[12:25] <Fujitsu> wolfger: Various people seem to have been having issues contacting services in the Canonical datacentre, but others can see it fine.
[12:28] <yeager> seems like launchpad is having a loong coffee break today
[12:35] <wolfger> seems to be ok now.
[12:37] <SteveA> wolfger: we're looking into the problem with Launchpad
[12:39] <yeager> looks like network issues
[12:46] <SteveA> yeager: yep.
[12:46] <SteveA> launchpad should work better now
[12:47] <yeager> yepp, it works now
[12:48] <wolfger> thanks
[02:26] <Hobbsee> bah.  stupid wiki.
[03:32] <toxygen> hello
[03:33] <toxygen> can please somebody give me more details about OOPS-651C764
[03:33] <ubotu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/651C764
[03:33] <toxygen> wow :)
[03:33] <toxygen> good bot
[03:33] <toxygen> now the l/p info bottie :)
[03:34] <Hobbsee> !weekend
[03:34] <ubotu> It's a weekend.  Often on weekends, the paid developers, and a lot of the community, may not be around to answer your question.  Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would, or try again during the working week.
[03:35] <toxygen> Hobbsee: is there any chance to see what went wrong or should i focus on something else right now?
[03:36] <Hobbsee> if there's a launchpad dev around, possibly.  probably better to ask again on a weekday
[03:36] <toxygen> ok, thank you, appreciated
[03:42] <pochu> toxygen: you can mail the launchpad-users mailing list too.
[03:52] <mwhudson> toxygen: it's a timeout
[03:52] <mwhudson> toxygen: probably the thing to do is try again
[03:53] <mwhudson> (this sometimes helps as postgres probably levered the relevant data into ram when trying to service the request that timeout)
[03:53] <mwhudson> *timed out
[04:00] <Hobbsee> pochu: latest crack
[04:02] <pochu> Hobbsee: but I've seen so many people complaining because of a broken subversion in feisty, and they didn't know they had the -proposed repo enabled...
[04:02] <Hobbsee> pochu: if they dont read, then their breakage is their own problem.
[04:02] <Hobbsee> "this is for testing" - it's hard to avoid that.
[04:02] <Hobbsee> s/avoid/ignore/
[04:03] <toxygen> pochu: i prefer realtime communication
[04:03] <pochu> Probably software-properties shouldn't have a checkbox for -proposed, or at least it should warn they aren't meant to be stable
[04:03] <pochu> Hobbsee: well, Software Sources (software-properties-gtk) doesn't have any "This is for testing" info...
[04:04] <Hobbsee> pochu: then people whine about having to touch the sources list.
[04:04] <Hobbsee> pochu: file a bug on it. patches accepted.
[04:04] <Hobbsee> but i'm surprised - didnt think it would be there at all
[04:04] <pochu> Hobbsee: unfortunately it is. /me filles a bug report.
[04:04] <Hobbsee> would probably be better if it was called experimental or something, perhaps.  *shrugs*
[04:05] <pochu> btw, why are we discussing this in #launchpad ? :)
[04:05] <Hobbsee> Daviey: we dont shove stuff into universe, post release.
[04:05] <Daviey> true.
[04:05] <pochu> Daviey: -universe is enabled by default. -proposed isn't.
[04:05] <toxygen> mwhudson: is it timeouting because of db is overloaded currently?
[04:06] <mwhudson> toxygen: it's a known issue with translations (https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/30602)
[04:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 30602 in rosetta "Timeout errors in +translate" [High,In progress]   - Assigned to Jeroen T. Vermeulen (jtv)
[04:09] <toxygen> mwhudson: thank you for info
[04:11] <toxygen> if i may have a question, if there is: "${group} journal" it should be translated as "${group} my_translation" right?
[04:23] <pochu> Hobbsee: bug 152335
[04:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 152335 in software-properties "Remove -proposed checkbox in Updates, or warn of 'not stable' updates" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/152335
[04:29] <toxygen> mwhudson: rather nerve-wrecking bug i see
[04:29] <toxygen> that timeout
[04:30] <mwhudson> toxygen: yes, makes me glad i don't work on translations!
[04:52] <toxygen> very very irritating
[05:41] <evarlast> are there any other PPA docs than quickstart? I'm having trouble.
[05:43] <Hobbsee> not many
[05:45] <Hobbsee> depends what you're looking for
[05:48] <evarlast> well, I upload with dput and it says success, but I never see things in my PPA
[05:49] <Hobbsee> are the uploads signed?
[05:49] <Hobbsee> do you ever get email saying that they're accepted?
[05:49] <evarlast> they are signed.
[05:50] <evarlast> ah!  I guess it took a little time. I do have a rejected email.
[05:50] <evarlast> sorry for waisting your time.
[05:50] <evarlast> wasting*
[05:55] <Hobbsee> no problem
[05:56] <Hobbsee> you didnt upload the tarball itself or osmething?
[05:56] <evarlast> no no.
[05:56] <evarlast> its all good now.
[05:57] <evarlast> for some reason <pkg>source.changes is saying Distribution: unstable
[05:58] <evarlast> I'll have to brush up on my pkging :)
[05:58] <Hobbsee> ah yes :)
[05:58] <Hobbsee> you want it to say the release that you're building for - probably gutsy
[05:58] <evarlast> exactly.
[05:58] <Hobbsee> evarlast: it's listed in debian/control
[05:58] <evarlast> just as Distribution: gutsy ?
[05:59] <Hobbsee> oh, sorry
[05:59] <Hobbsee> debian/changelog
[05:59] <Hobbsee> man, i must be getting tired.
[05:59] <evarlast> oh!
[05:59] <Hobbsee> :)
[06:00] <evarlast> hrm, no way to change that with dch -v ?
[06:01] <Hobbsee> dch should usually change it to be whatever your current release is
[06:01] <evarlast> oh, let me try that.
[06:02] <evarlast> indeed.
[06:02] <evarlast> Thank You
[06:05] <Hobbsee> no problem
[06:06] <evarlast> I had dch -v in my todo, but since I wasn't actually changing a version, i didn't run it.  I didnt' realize dh_make defaults to "unstable"
[06:06] <Hobbsee> yeah, it does
[06:06] <Hobbsee> although i think that might be different for gutsy
[06:10] <evarlast> i'm on gutsy, and dh_make defaulted to "unstable"  could be my old personal dh_make settings or something.
[06:10] <Hobbsee> the patch may not have been accepted
[06:10] <evarlast> ah.
[06:59] <CyberMatt> Question can i start a launchpad project just so my friend and i can mange configureatin files for our irc network
[07:00] <CyberMatt> also some server management scripts and web apps
[07:00] <Odd_Bloke> CyberMatt: I expect so, but bear in mind that any code put into Launchpad is freely accessible.
[07:01] <CyberMatt> thanks ill ask if he minds the web apps being opensource
[07:01] <Hobbsee> hiya LaserJock
[07:02] <CyberMatt> we may not have a choice since we are going to use several opensource apps
[07:20] <ScottK> I got another batch of janitor bugs overnight (for me), from the mail to Ubuntu mailing lists, I thought automatic bug expiration had been stopped?
[07:33] <evarlast> I hate being so impatient, since I only clicked join this morning, but can anyone help me join  launchpad-beta-testers team?
[07:33] <evarlast> I want to use PPA
[07:34] <Hobbsee> evarlast: i doubt the guy who can will be on this weekend
[07:34] <evarlast> bummer.
[08:10] <ubotu> New bug: #152397 in malone "Launchpad doesn't know of any distribution packages, but links to +ubuntupkg" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/152397
[08:15] <ubotu> New bug: #152400 in soyuz "accept from +queue UI does not send mail to announcement list" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/152400
[09:55] <ubotu> New bug: #152430 in launchpad "subdomain ~user links go to /~user, not http://launchpad.net/~user" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/152430
[10:39] <admy> hi
[10:39] <admy> my email changed and i can't get a new password for my login at launchpad
[10:39] <admy> where i could get help?
[10:46] <thumper> admy: you really need a launchpad administrator
[10:46] <thumper> admy: alternatively you could create a new account with the new email address and then merge the accounts
[11:00] <admy> ok, thanks. i'll send them an email.
[12:02] <AnMaster>
[12:02] <AnMaster> Invalid name 'auto-api-docs '. Names must start with a letter or number and be lowercase. The characters +, - and . are also allowed after the first character.
[12:02] <AnMaster> um what?
[12:02] <AnMaster> there is no ending space..
[12:03] <AnMaster> now it works without change
[12:03] <AnMaster> huh


[03:03] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:10] <ducasse> good morning
[17:06] <AWFunTV> hi , can someone help me about potentially un maintained packages in focal
[17:06] <daftykins> that'd be a support query for #ubuntu main
[17:07] <coconut> daftykins, my fault then, since i advised this channel.. oops
[17:07] <AWFunTV> i was just at #ubuntu main and they told me to come here
[17:07] <daftykins> ah well write it out and we'll see!
[17:08] <AWFunTV> @dafykine, was that a response to my request, as I got directed here from #ubuntu
[17:08] <AWFunTV> got is sorry slow updates
[17:09] <AWFunTV> The package ISC-DHCP-Server, has an ever growing number of un assigned bugs, and no activity since april
[17:09] <AWFunTV> #In my case due a a bug I cant run in a cluster
[17:10] <daftykins> a DHCP server in a cluster... interesting scenario
[17:11] <AWFunTV> you need a cluster of servers (clustered by dhcp), as if one fails and there is no backup, devices start dropping off the network when they try to renew the lease
[17:12] <AWFunTV> raised a bug had it confimed by multple other people, and a work around i.e use the dhcp from ubuntu 18.04. but no response from the maintainers
[17:13] <AWFunTV> and lots more potential bugs recieving the same (no) response
[17:14] <daftykins> 'buntus support period probably makes it unsuitable for your intended setup anyway, since i'd be willing to bet a cluster on a network is something you don't want to be reinstalling in 5 years
[17:15] <AWFunTV> testing only takes a few weeks
[17:15] <AWFunTV> already migrated from 14.04 - 16 - 18 - 20
[17:15] <AWFunTV> the config is really simple and used to work really well
[17:16] <AWFunTV> remember this is a cluster at the app level
[17:16] <daftykins> i don't think i'm following the use of the term right, normally clustering is for high availability of a more serious main service... just having DHCP not behave seems a little basic
[17:17] <daftykins> which release did it last behave correctly on?
[17:17] <AWFunTV> 18.04
[17:18] <AWFunTV> this is cluster at the app level not at the server level, I haven seen server level cluster for years, it all seems to be at the app level these data
[17:19] <AWFunTV> effectively isc-dhcp-server installed on two diffeernt system and they exchange state information, to allow either server to serve any request and each to be aware of each other state, so if one fails the remaining server can continue
[17:19] <AWFunTV> dont forget if DHCP fails, devices start to drop off the network as their IP  lease is not renewed, its kind of critical
[17:20] <AWFunTV> I currently have the 18.04 release installed and pinned on 20.04 and it workd perfectly
[17:20] <daftykins> so why did you upgrade?
[17:20] <AWFunTV> multiple people have confirmed the bug exists
[17:21] <daftykins> yes you've already repeated that and i'm quite familiar with DHCP :)
[17:21] <AWFunTV> to keep all the packages up to the latest level. Gone are the days of running  out of date s/w
[17:21] <daftykins> but apparently it wasn't important enough to test and identify ahead of time?
[17:21] <AWFunTV> I have a lot of AI running on the network
[17:22] <daftykins> lol, ok i'm out - this is a total crock
[17:22] <daftykins> hf
[17:22] <Ussat> define out of date software, just because its not latest dosnt mean its out of date
[17:23] <AWFunTV> I've worked in environments where people do not upgrade until the end of extended support. I've always tried to keep up with the latest s/w especailly as i run a lot of AI and want a consistent build,
[17:23] <AWFunTV> which is the right hannel to report un supported packages
[17:24] <daftykins> if you've already contacted the maintainer and they haven't responded, you'll have to change your distro choice or compile yourself
[17:25] <Ussat> again, the "latest" is not always the best . If you TRUELY wanted the LATEST you would not even be useing Ubuntu
[17:25] <AWFunTV> i though ubuntu had a policy that all s/w n teir packages much be maintained. I've reported by launchpad, bt they dont appear to be responsing to any issues
[17:25] <AWFunTV> USSat the latest with some stability
[17:25] <daftykins> !info isc-dhcp-server
[17:26] <Ussat> define "some stability"
[17:26] <Ussat> MOst corp envs are n-1
[17:26] <AWFunTV> daftykins is that an irc command ?
[17:26] <Ussat> https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/06/politics/robocalls-supreme-court-ruling/index.html
[17:27] <Ussat> ooppsss
[17:27] <AWFunTV> ussat agreed but it depends on the definition of n
[17:27] <AWFunTV> major , minor or lower
[17:27] <Ussat> ....
[17:27] <daftykins> it would have triggered the bot if it were working or present, yeah
[17:27] <daftykins> Original-Maintainer: Debian ISC DHCP maintainers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:27] <Ussat> wahtever, you arre clueless
[17:28] <daftykins> well that's not quite the most polite way of phrasing it, but yes it sounds like this issue has been encountered due to a combination of unwise decisions and what i term 'version chasing' so i'm done
[17:29] <AWFunTV> friendly lot aren't you all
[17:29] <AWFunTV> bye
[17:35] <daftykins> best not to enable crazy
[17:35] <Ussat> but it CAN be entertaining...
[17:37] <daftykins> :)
[18:33] <ducasse> AWFunTV: are you using the package rom 18.04?
[18:33] <ducasse> *from
[20:21] <Bashing-om> UWN638 is on the streets - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue638 :D
[20:25] <leftyfb> oerheks: why are you saying 18.04 isn't suitable for the pi 4? It should work fine. If not, then there's a bug that should be fixed
[20:25] <leftyfb> oerheks: https://ubuntu.com/blog/roadmap-for-official-support-for-the-raspberry-pi-4
[20:26] <oerheks> he claimed it did not, and returned i have actualle seen no issues
[20:26] <oerheks> long time we had to wait for the 19.10.1
[20:26] <waveform> the pi 4 support got backported to 18.04 but the current images have outdated firmware that won't boot it "out of the box"; upgrade the image on an older 3 and it will then boot on a 4
[20:27] <leftyfb> waveform: that's broken and should be fixed
[20:27] <leftyfb> no OS should require you to upgrade the OS on different hardware to work on a piece of hardware
[20:29] <waveform> the 18.04 support was largely for people that wanted to stay on 18.04, i.e. for upgraders; officially we supported the 4B *from* 19.10 - i.e. the LTS that supported the 4B "out of the box" was (and is) 20.04. Still, it is a confusing situation - I'll try and SRU the firmware for 18.04 for the next point release
[20:29] <oerheks>  Please note that even though these images are labelled "+raspi3" they are compatible with the Raspberry Pi 2 and 3 (and 4 in the case of 19.10.1).
[20:29] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RaspberryPi
[20:29] <oerheks> ?
[20:29] <oerheks> i only have a rasppi 2 to test..
[20:31] <leftyfb> waveform: thank you
[20:32] <leftyfb> though to be clear, I'm only running 20.04 and Raspbian on my pi's. Moving to Ubuntu as sd cards die out
[20:32] <leftyfb> it's nice having my pi's running the same OS as my laptop


[00:02] <jtatum> yeah, like the arduino cpu, or some of the lower end ones would be nice :) i really want to try an attiny85 for instance. anchor and a handful of others like jameco and i think hsc have a bunch of microchip microcontrollers but nobody seems to have atmel :(
[00:05] <akk> Anchor definitely has some atmel, but probably not a great selection.
[00:06] <jtatum> hm. ok. i'll check again. thanks akk
[00:31] <nhaines> On the way home today I need to pick up a slim wireless network card that will be compatible with Ubuntu.  Does anyone have suggestions?
[00:32] <akk> What kind of card? cardbus, mini-pci?
[00:32] <nhaines> That's a good question!  mini-pci.
[00:33] <akk> d has an Intel 5150 half-mini that works great with ubuntu, much better than the original broadcom he had.
[00:34] <akk> He says it's B/G only, no N, which actually makes it work better (N confuses things sometimes).
[00:34] <nhaines> That's fine for now.
[00:34] <akk> Pretty much any Intel mini-PCI card except the very newest N ones seem to work well.
[00:35] <nhaines> Hmm, Microcenter doesn't seem to list Intel-brand cards.
[00:35] <akk> Figures ... it's always hard to buy linux-compatible stuff in brick-n-mortar stores.
[00:35] <akk> (d got his from amazon IIRC ... it was extremely cheap)
[00:37] <nhaines> Looks like Lenovo has one for $165.
[00:38] <akk> Is that for a whole laptop containing the card?
[00:38] <nhaines> If only!
[00:38] <akk> I think d paid about $10 or $15.
[00:39] <nhaines> Cheapest is $26, which isn't terribly unreasonable.
[00:41] <akk> Yeah, that's what I'm seeing too -- I'm not seeing the super-cheap ones. Maybe he used ebay rather than amazon.
[00:41] <akk> Also the 5150 does seem to support n, so he might be misremembering something.
[00:41] <nhaines> One of the problems is that I can't just walk into Microcenter and ask about it.. they're good but not that good.
[00:42] <akk> There's also this for $17.50: http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Wireless-WiFi-Link-4965AGN/dp/B000RFPBQQ
[00:42] <akk> Yeah, microcenter isn't helpful that way (don't know of any store that is, sadly).
[00:43] <akk> $15 on ebay
[00:43] <nhaines> I see a lot of mini-pci references to laptops.  These also work for desktop computers that just have smaller slots on the back of the case, right?
[00:44] <akk> No idea, sorry.
[00:46] <nhaines> Hmm.
[06:49] <pleia2> Darkwing: all good for SD Ubuntu Hour tomorrow? (there was no announcement on the list, but we need to know if we should tweet about it)
[06:49] <Darkwing> pleia2: No, I thought I emailed you...
[06:50] <Darkwing> Then again, KMail is being a POS
[06:50] <pleia2> :\
[06:50] <pleia2> can you delete it from loco.ubuntu.com?
[06:51] <Darkwing> Yeah... Give me a sec.
[06:51] <Darkwing> I'll do it in a few.
[06:51] <pleia2> thanks :)


[07:45] <cbx33> mornin all
[07:53] <highvoltage> morning see bee ex
[07:54] <cbx33> mornin sparky
[08:03] <highvoltage> :)
[08:03] <highvoltage> do you perhaps know what the keyboard shortcut in evolution is to mark a message as read / unread?
[08:03] <highvoltage> i used to use 'm' in thunderbird and I still keep pressing it in evolution :/
[08:05] <cbx33> sorry nope
[08:06] <highvoltage> cool, comma and point navigates between unread messages
[08:07] <cbx33> heheh
[08:09] <DeMoNSeEd> highvoltage,
[08:09] <DeMoNSeEd> maybe this will help
[08:09] <DeMoNSeEd> http://www.gnome.org/projects/evolution/keys.shtml
[08:11] <DeMoNSeEd> that help any?
[08:14] <highvoltage> no, it doesn't have such a shortcut
[08:14] <DeMoNSeEd> grr
[08:14] <DeMoNSeEd> sorry
[08:14] <highvoltage> no problem, found some other useful ones :)
[08:15] <DeMoNSeEd> this just in;  highvoltage started a hunger strike today, when asked what his goal was, he replied.."i just want my M back'.....more to come at 11:00
[08:16] <DeMoNSeEd> why you using Evo anyhoo?
[08:17] <highvoltage> it has a nice to-do list :)
[08:17] <DeMoNSeEd> rotf
[08:17] <DeMoNSeEd> kk, makes sense
[08:23] <DeMoNSeEd> bbl
[08:31] <RichEd> greetz :)
[08:37] <highvoltage> 5greetings
[08:39] <RichEd> I'll see your 5greetings and raise you 2greetings
[08:39] <highvoltage> you're on
[08:39] <RichEd> :) how are you doing ?
[08:41] <highvoltage> doing well, except that amobia couldn't install my internet yesterday :(
[08:42] <highvoltage> they can see their highsite from my place, but it's pointing in the other direction, so they'll put up another antenna on their highsite early next week.
[08:42] <RichEd> Well I gues that disappointment comes from trusting a single celled organism. Even Telkom is a more advanced life form.
[08:42] <RichEd> ;)
[08:42] <highvoltage> hiehie
[08:43] <highvoltage> I think I'll crack a joke about them about that. :)
[09:02] <TeePOG> morning all
[09:03] <RichEd> hi TeePOG :)
[09:04] <TeePOG> morning RichEd
[10:58] <RichEd> Seveas: ping
[10:58] <Seveas> RichEd, pong
[12:18] <h70> hello
[12:19] <h70> someone listening?
[12:19] <RichEd> indeed ... welcom h70
[12:20] <RichEd> *welcome
[12:20] <h70> RichEd: Hi!
[12:20] <cbx33> hey RichEd
[12:20] <cbx33> hi h70
[12:21] <RichEd> cbx33: hi ho !
[12:21] <RichEd> h70: Got a question, or just feeling the need to say hi & chat ?
[12:21] <cbx33> hehe
[12:21] <h70> RichEd: i try to install edubuntu, client is booting but i cannot login. someone an idea?
[12:21] <cbx33> h70 have you changed it's ip address since installation?
[12:22] <RichEd> cbx33: ^^ thanks ... this seems to be the most frequent question we have.
[12:22] <cbx33> indeed
[12:22] <cbx33> and it's fixed in edgy I beleive
[12:23] <h70> i've 2 nics, but the second nic was not configured auto. i rewrote etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf and configured the second nic
[12:24] <cbx33> hmm
[12:24] <cbx33> try running
[12:24] <cbx33> ltsp-update-sshkeys I think the command is
[12:28] <ogra> h70, are you using the edgy beta preview ? or dapper ?
[12:29] <h70> ok, that was it. btw. the thin-client got its IP (<IP_ADDRESS>)  over dhcp and ltsp-update generated a key for this IP. do i've to run ltsp-update-sshkeys if i add a client?
[12:29] <ogra> no, only if you changed the ip range in the dhcpd.conf
[12:30] <ogra> in dapper that didnt automatically update the ssh keys ... in edgy it does (thats why i asked which version you use)
[12:30] <cbx33> ;)
[12:31] <h70> how to find out: edgy or dapper ?
[12:32] <ogra> type: lsb_release -a
[12:32] <ogra> in a terminal window
[12:32] <h70> dapper
[12:32] <ogra> Codename should have the value you look for
[12:32] <ogra> ok
[12:32] <cbx33> ogra: cool I never heard of that
[12:33] <ogra> then its a) normal that you have to configure the second NIC manually and b) that you have to run ltsp-update-sshkeys afetr changing the IP
[12:33] <ogra> both features are in edgy ... but not in dapper
[12:34] <cbx33> heh
[12:36] <h70> thank you. after dinner i will try to setup pxe-booting for special hardware. bye bye!
[12:37] <cbx33> bye h70
[12:37] <ogra> just come back if you have questions :)
[01:35] <ogra> ******* REMINDER Edubuntu Meeting (and EC) in ~30min in #ubuntu-meeting ********
[01:36] <cbx33> ogra: I'm not goign to be able to make this one
[01:36] <cbx33> going to doctors
[01:36] <cbx33> about my sleeping disorder ;)
[01:36] <ogra> dont worry ...
[01:37] <cbx33> anything you need to say to me
[01:37] <cbx33> did you getthat 640x480?
[01:37] <ogra> yes
[01:37] <ogra> packaging it now ...
[01:37] <cbx33> please check it works....
[01:38] <cbx33> the palettes should be the same
[01:38] <cbx33> Iused the same palette file
[01:39] <ogra> i'll try it ... will be in today ...
[01:45] <ogra> ******* REMINDER Edubuntu Meeting (and EC) in ~15min in #ubuntu-meeting ********
[01:55] <ogra> ******* REMINDER Edubuntu Meeting (and EC) in ~5min in #ubuntu-meeting ********
[02:01] <highvoltage> PING!
[02:02] <willvdl> Ow, my ears
[02:03] <ogra> ******* REMINDER Edubuntu Meeting (and EC) now in #ubuntu-meeting ********
[02:22] <highvoltage> willvdl: http://duke.za.net/cgi-bin/cgiirc/irc.cgi
[02:23] <willvdl> cool. will try
[02:24] <willvdl> works. is duke.za yours?
[02:25] <highvoltage> it's a friend's.
[02:25] <highvoltage> I asked him if he could change his cgi irc setup for us for the next hour or so.
[02:26] <highvoltage> I'll get him to put one up that works permanently as well.
[02:27] <willvdl> cool. some companies have very strict policies on comms
[02:28] <willvdl> for HP to get on irc is difficult, would have to change "global" policy
[02:28] <highvoltage> some people are very good at getting around them :)
[02:28] <highvoltage> many IRC server listen on ports like 22, 25, etc. so you can just connect trough a port that is not blocked :)
[02:29] <highvoltage> although... vodacom does quite a lot more to block you off, and their policies are strict.
[02:29] <highvoltage> I wonder what the policy says about using IRC on your laptop through your phone.
[02:30] <willvdl> I connect through my card obviously
[02:56] <highvoltage> ogra: today I looked at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/index.html for the first time, there should be a 'howto configure ltsp' section too, right?
[02:56] <highvoltage> (didn't want to ask in -meeting since it's not edubuntu-specific enough)
[02:56] <ogra> sbalneav is working on that
[02:56] <ogra> ltsp.org will also soon have our docs
[02:56] <ogra> and we'll have theirs
[02:57] <ogra> he's merging them
[02:57] <highvoltage> great :)
[02:57] <RichEd> I was about to raise that in the meeting ... does sbalneav need any help ... with formatting or style for integration into cookbook / handbook etc.
[02:57] <ogra> we can ask him if he shows up :)
[04:03] <bddebian> Heya
[04:07] <rodarvus> reboot, I'll be right back
[04:14] <ogra> RichEd, try to use Capital letters for every word in a link
[04:14] <juliux> that is a long reboot ;)
[04:14] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Education/Planning would have been the right wiki syntax for example
[04:15] <carsten> edu.kde.org has a new layout
[04:15] <RichEd> ogra: I've has long debates about the wiki CamelCase autolink and what people expect to find out in the web in general ...
[04:15] <ogra> (but indeed that means your pages need to be created with such names)
[04:15] <RichEd> *had
[04:15] <ogra> well, its a convention we all use :)
[04:15] <RichEd> For example, I would never dream of typing http://www.ubuntu.com/Education/Solutions ...
[04:16] <ogra> users would :)
[04:16] <ogra> atleast if they have used a wiki before
[04:16] <RichEd> I would always use lowe case ... not a mix
[04:16] <RichEd> *lower
[04:16] <ogra> well, people familiar with wikis expect it like that
[04:16] <ogra> carsten, thanks for the notification :)
[04:17] <RichEd> Yes. But I'd say that 80% of our users haven't. Again, I am not expecting anyone to change, I am really using the wiki only for planning for the end space.
[04:18] <RichEd> So I am just trying to fit my structures around what people would expect to find out in the wild on the web
[04:18] <ogra> right, but i assume more than 60% of our users have wikipedia experience :)
[04:19] <ogra> its simply the way wikis work ...
[04:20] <RichEd> Not to labour the point, but my thinking approach was for all the following to be a natural "guess and type and load" landing page:
[04:20] <RichEd> http://www.canonical.com/education
[04:20] <RichEd> http://www.ubuntu.com/education
[04:20] <RichEd> http://www.edubuntu.org/education
[04:20] <RichEd> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/education
[04:20] <RichEd> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/education
[04:21] <ogra> well, people familiar with wikis would use Education
[04:21] <ogra> and even better EducationPlanning :)
[04:21] <ogra> or EducationPlanningtopics
[04:21] <ogra> err
[04:21] <ogra> EducationPlanningTopics
[04:22] <ogra> but anyway do it as you like, you will just run into problems with others if you do that
[04:22] <RichEd> But then on www.ubuntu.com with a natural folder and file structure, it would be www.ubuntu.com/education/planning/topics
[04:23] <ogra> nobody can force you to do it differently than you like ;)
[04:23] <ogra> its not a website, its a wiki
[04:23] <ogra> so people expect wiki annotation ... because they typed wiki.xyz.com
[04:24] <ogra> the annotation indicated that i'm allowed to change it for example ...
[04:24] <RichEd> Yes, but I am trying to get one structure that works on all ... and it's a temporary holding zone for planning docs which will disappear.
[04:24] <ogra> i'm not allowed to change a website ...
[04:24] <ogra> but can trash your docs on the wiki as i like
[04:24] <Amaranth> Well, I won't be going to Mountain View.
[04:24] <ogra> Amaranth, :(
[04:39] <Amaranth> I could definitely pay for my plane ticket but I don't think I want to sleep in a park. :P
[04:42] <Amaranth> hmm, $486 for a roundtrip flight from omaha to san jose and a hotel in fremont for a week
[04:42] <Amaranth> but i have no idea where these places are and i don't drive :P
[04:43] <lucasvo> who's being sponsored?
[04:43] <Amaranth> no idea
[04:56] <willvdl> highvoltage, ping
[05:42] <sbalneav> Morning all
[05:50] <highvoltage> hey sbalneav!
[06:01] <gnomefreak> ogra: do you have a minute. i was told to attach the output of gnome-screensaver --no-daemon --debug  and i cant output it to a file its something that keeps going it seems it doesnt end. this is for the webcollage g-s bug
[06:01] <gnomefreak> do you need this output to fix?
[06:34] <LaserJock_> did RichEd get the required votes?
[06:41] <highvoltage> LaserJock_: indeed
[06:41] <LaserJock_> ok
[06:41] <LaserJock_> I just say the LP email
[06:41] <LaserJock_> *saw
[06:41] <LaserJock_> and wondered
[06:41] <LaserJock_> very cool
[06:41] <highvoltage> JaneW voted by e-ail
[06:41] <highvoltage> *e-mail
[06:41] <highvoltage> so it was 3/5 votes
[06:42] <LaserJock_> no jerome?
[06:42] <highvoltage> he still has access problems
[06:42] <highvoltage> the next phase is to vote riched in as an EC member, we will need a 100% vote for that.
[06:43] <highvoltage> JaneW will then terminate her EC status.
[06:43] <highvoltage> so we'll vote on that at next EC.
[06:45] <LaserJock_> ah
[06:45] <LaserJock_> well, the next one should not be 5am for me ;-)
[06:47] <highvoltage> :-)
[06:48] <LaserJock_> ok, I'm off
[06:48] <LaserJock_> just wanted to make sure RichEd's confirmation wasn't waiting for me or something ;-)
[06:48] <LaserJock_> bbiab
[06:58] <RichEd> hi ... been watching my name pop up all over ... was on a con call ...
[06:59] <highvoltage> hey hey leave your con jobs out of #edubuntu ;)
[06:59] <RichEd> Going out for dinner now with one of the EC member in question above ;)
[07:00] <highvoltage> please thank her from us for this afternoon
[07:00] <RichEd> will do :)
[07:00] <highvoltage> enjoy!
[07:00] <RichEd> Have a good day / evening / morning / all-nighter <- delete whichever is not applicable for your time zone or energy level
[07:03] <highvoltage> you too
[08:38] <Petaris> I just restarted my server and now winbindd will not start
[08:38] <Petaris> Is anyone avaliable to help me debug?
[08:39] <Petaris> this is quite criticle as no users can logon without winbindd running
[08:40] <sbalneav> Petaris: I'm not at all familiar with it, but I can help you look for obvious problems.
[08:40] <Petaris> ok
[08:40] <sbalneav> Does it produce anything in /var/log?
[08:40] <Petaris> in samba.log it says
[08:40] <Petaris> [2006/10/04 13:36:12, 0]  nsswitch/winbindd.c:main(1071)
[08:40] <Petaris>   unable to initalize domain list
[08:42] <sbalneav> Was there an update? that seems to indicate that something with nsswitch changes.
[08:42] <sbalneav> changed.
[08:44] <sbalneav> What's in the nbd log?  Could there be another samba/CIFS server out there that's claimed master?
[08:44] <sbalneav> Perhaps pasting your smb.conf file to the pastebin might help.
[08:44] <sbalneav> !pastbin
[08:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pastbin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:45] <sbalneav> !pastebin
[08:45] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[08:48] <Petaris> not sure, its not set to be master browser
[08:48] <Petaris> I'm checking nss config now
[08:55] <Petaris> ok I think I got it
[08:55] <Petaris> not sure what the issue was though
[08:56] <Petaris> it could have been a DNS issue on the win2k servers side
[08:56] <sbalneav> When in doubt, I usually find it safe to blame Microsoft products :)
[08:58] <LaserJock> heh
[09:00] <Petaris> haha
[09:00] <Petaris> me too
[09:00] <Petaris> but I'm still seeing odd things so I better look deeper into it
[09:01] <Petaris> for the momment it seems to be working though
[09:03] <tomveens> Is there an irc channel voor the people of ubuntuvideo.com
[09:04] <sbalneav> LaserJock: Did I miss the edubuntu meeting?
[09:04] <LaserJock> I did
[09:05] <LaserJock> 5 am here
[09:05] <sbalneav> Meh.
[09:05] <LaserJock> sbalneav: did you miss it?
[09:06] <sbalneav> Yeah, I thought it was at 20:00, but that's next week.
[09:16] <sbalneav> Hello HedgeMage
[09:16] <HedgeMage> hi sbalneav
[09:22] <Burgwork> tomveens, ubuntuvideo is done by johnlittle, who hangs out in #ubuntu-marketing
[09:22] <Petaris> I was wrong
[09:22] <Petaris> it isn
[09:22] <Petaris> er, it isn
[09:22] <Petaris> grr
[09:22] <Petaris> it isn't fixed
[09:23] <Petaris> all user logons authenticated through ads are broken
[09:24] <Petaris> and I'm now fairly certain its on the edubuntu side
[09:24] <Petaris> some update or other to smaba or nss
[09:27] <tomveens> Burgwork: Thank you!
[09:50] <Petaris> ok
[09:50] <Petaris> I'm pretty sure the issue is with dns
[09:59] <Petaris> ok
[09:59] <Petaris> something modified /etc/resolv.conf and removed the win2k DNS server
[09:59] <Petaris> :/
[09:59] <Petaris> that seems to have been the root of the problem
[10:00] <cbx33> evenin all
[10:05] <LaserJock> hi cbx33
[10:05] <cbx33> hey LaserJock
[10:09] <Petaris> ok
[10:09] <Petaris> seems to be all working fine now
[10:09] <Petaris> time to go home
[10:10] <cbx33> ogra, you aroud buddy
[10:23] <rodarvus> ogra, if you are around, go get a life :D
[10:26] <rodarvus> cbx33, speaking seriously now, ogra has a meeting in ~ 10 hours, in theory he should be preparing to go to bed by now
[10:28] <LaserJock> rodarvus: hi
[10:28] <rodarvus> hi LaserJock!
[10:31] <LaserJock> rodarvus: how have you been?
[10:31] <rodarvus> busy :)
[10:31] <LaserJock> I bet
[10:31] <LaserJock> been doing much OLPC stuff?
[10:31] <rodarvus> I've just found out I'll be host for three different groups in UDS :D
[10:32] <LaserJock> interesting
[10:32] <rodarvus> olpc, desktop-effects and another unnamed group
[10:32] <Burgwork> rodarvus, you involved with landscape?
[10:32] <rodarvus> btw, I noticed the invites were mostly sent already
[10:32] <rodarvus> Burgwork, no
[10:33] <LaserJock> rodarvus: should be all sent, I think
[10:34] <rodarvus> not really, we are still adding more people to the queue
[10:34] <rodarvus> (not for edubuntu though, I think :/ )
[10:34] <rodarvus> edubuntu has pretty much used all of its slots
[10:36] <lucasvo> ogra: about that hostname bug, tell me then, how I can change it after the install?
[10:36] <lucasvo> cbx33: you go to MV?
[10:38] <sbalneav> What's the best way to search for all specs targetted for edy plus 1?
[10:38] <sbalneav> s/edy/edgy/
[10:39] <LaserJock> I don't think there are any yet
[10:39] <LaserJock> specifically targeted to edgy+1
[10:39] <sbalneav> Can I target a spec for +1?  Or is that something that "someone special" has to do?
[10:39] <rodarvus> sbalneav, no specs are targetted for edgy+1 (this version of ubuntu doesn't exists on launchpad yet)
[10:39] <sbalneav> ah, ok
[10:40] <rodarvus> sbalneav, but you can search for specs targetted for discussion at UDS Mountain View
[10:40] <rodarvus> this is were most (all?) specs targetted for edgy+1 will come from
[10:40] <sbalneav> Ah!  And how does one do that?
[10:40] <rodarvus> sbalneav, https://features.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-mtv
[10:40] <sbalneav> peeeerrrrrfect.
[10:41] <rodarvus> sbalneav, also https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+specs has all specs for Ubuntu, and their current state
[10:41] <LaserJock> do we have a list of ideas to spec yet?
[10:42] <rodarvus> I'll send an announcement to the ubuntu-devel@ and ubuntu-users@ mailing list today, talking in depth about the subject (specs for discussion on UDS Mountain View, and edgy+1 work)
[10:43] <sbalneav> How does one add, say, https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/edgy-plusone-thinclient-sound, to the discussion lists?
[10:43] <rodarvus> sbalneav, I've just did it for you :)
[10:43] <rodarvus> "Propose for meeting agenda" -> "UDS Mountain View"
[10:44] <sbalneav> Ahh HAH
[10:44] <sbalneav> got it.
[10:44] <sbalneav> OK, I've got a couple of things I'd like to put on the table.  I'll spec a bit tonight then.
[10:44] <sbalneav> Thanks!
[10:45] <rodarvus> when we get near the meeting (say, on the week before) all specs will be prioritized
[10:45] <rodarvus> the higher the priority, the bigger the chance of the spec to be allocated time
[10:46] <rodarvus> in other words, all 'essential' and 'high' priority specs are talked for sure. Most 'normal' specs are talked too (but may be delayed to the end of the week, depending on how the high priority specs go)
[10:46] <rodarvus> low priority specs usually are only discussed if you (and interested people) have free time and are willing to brainstorm it informally
[10:51] <rodarvus> I need to take my daughter to the doctor (routine check), will be back in a few hours
[11:53] <bdoin> is GCompris really broken, I saw an email from edubuntu-users list
[12:01] <Burgwork> bdoin, just a sec
[12:11] <LaserJock> bdoin: it's not broken for me
[12:13] <bdoin> ok, I suspect a fullscreen issue for this person
[12:13] <LaserJock> I wonder what the issue is
[12:14] <LaserJock> hmm
[12:14] <bdoin> did you tried the fullscreen mode ?
[12:14] <LaserJock> I don't think so


[16:06] <BigWhale> Gretings...
[16:09] <BigWhale> I know you all are busy running to the pub now ... But, could someone look into this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kazam/+bug/958769 What I would like to achieve is to open a GtkWindow that would be on top of everything. On top of Launcher and on top of Panel. There were many ways I tried, but failed miserably. It appers that window manager is preventing me this.


[18:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted postfix [source] (focal-proposed) [3.4.13-0ubuntu1.2]
[18:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted postfix [source] (hirsute-proposed) [3.5.6-1ubuntu0.2]


[07:24] <nathariel> Hi guys.. What is the right way of setting up Ubuntu Server so that Japanese characters are displayed properly in the console ?
[07:27] <hito_jp> nathariel: use fbterm.
[07:29] <hito_jp> Probably, you can get help at http://server-setting.info/debian/debian-console-japanease.html
[07:32] <hito_jp> *BUT*, I cloud not openly suggest this way. In many cases(by historical reasons), server's console are expect as LANG=C or LANG=en_US.UTF-8.
[07:42] <nathariel> hito_jp: thanks, I will take a look
[07:44] <nathariel> my problem is that I have some bash scripts that crunch mysql data directly and nothing seems to be working correctly when the data is in japanese
[07:48] <hito_jp> hmm.. "japanese" means "default-character-set = utf8" ?