[05:08] <Squirm> morning
[05:14] <Kilos> morning all
[05:15] <Kilos> where is the fly
[05:15] <Kilos> his server crashed?
[05:15] <Kilos> eeek
[05:46] <Kilos> hi timkeller barrydk
[05:47] <barrydk> morning
[05:53] <mazal> Morning all
[05:55] <mazal> Maaz , koffie on
[05:55] <Maaz> mazal: Huh?
[05:55] <mazal> Maaz , coffee on
[05:55]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[05:56] <Kilos> hi mazal
[05:56] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[05:56] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[05:56] <mazal> Môre oom
[05:56] <mazal> How goes there ?
[05:57] <Kilos> ok ty and you?
[05:57] <mazal> Good thanx
[05:58] <barrydk> sheep done Kilos
[05:58] <mazal> Kilos do you know if there is a manual or pdf or something like that which is a manual for Maaz's command ?
[05:58] <mazal> commands even
[05:58] <Kilos> um
[05:58] <mazal> Or is it just the Maaz help way ?
[05:58] <Kilos> Maaz, is an ibid bot
[05:58] <Maaz> Kilos: Sorry...
[05:59] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for mazal and Kilos!
[05:59] <mazal> Maaz , dankie
[05:59] <Maaz> Groot plesier mazal my vriend
[05:59] <Kilos> you can get one in the repos for your own channel to practise on
[05:59] <Kilos> but there are lotsa command that i have saved somewhere
[05:59] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[05:59] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[05:59] <barrydk> maaz in your dreams
[05:59] <Maaz> barrydk: Sorry...
[06:00] <mazal> Maaz botsnack
[06:00] <Maaz> What do you want mazal Trying to butter me up or something?
[06:00] <mazal> Kilos we came tight with that irc on phone thing
[06:00] <Kilos> oh my
[06:00] <mazal> Barry using simple irc and seems to work ok
[06:00] <mazal> right even
[06:01] <Kilos> i dont know new fones but on my old nokias jedirc works well
[06:01] <Kilos> thats my last resort when all pcs crashed
[06:02] <Kilos> Maaz, google jebirc for samsung cell phones
[06:02] <mazal> I myself don't have a smartphone , I still old school. Do pc things on pc. Phone is just for texting and phoning
[06:02] <Kilos> eish
[06:02] <Maaz> Kilos: Wow! Google couldn't find anything
[06:02] <Kilos> Maaz, google jedirc for samsung phones
[06:02] <Maaz> Kilos: "Download jed irc chat for pc websites - softwaretopic.informer.com ..." http://craftkeys.com/download/download-jed-irc-chat-for-pc/ :: "Depression Haven :: View topic - chat room on iphone" http://www.depressionhaven.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=42865&sid=1525d9f5c1382f9e6a53d4b00ace79ba :: "Free samsung galaxy ace manager download downloads"
[06:02] <Maaz> http://www.2000shareware.com/downloads/samsung/galaxy/ace/manager/download/ :: "Free twz mobile games dow…
[06:03] <Kilos> lol
[06:03] <Kilos> its hard work on a fone
[06:04] <Kilos> smsing is bad enough
[06:05] <mazal> Indeed , I hate typing on a phone
[06:06] <barrydk> i enjoy my samsung with the touch screen. i wounnt do it on a phone with tiny buttons Kilks
[06:06] <barrydk> kilos
[06:06] <Kilos> hehe
[06:07] <mazal> I can see the joy in that spelling :P
[06:07] <Kilos> lol
[06:08] <Kilos> magespawn has found a way to make tab complete work on his
[06:09] <barrydk> and the other spelling
[06:12] <Kilos> barrydk, get your server setup and install quassel-core and the other stuff for quassel then your fone can work through there
[06:14] <barrydk> before or after Chtismas. that sounds like big work for.this time.of the year. i looked at that quazzel thing but its not freeware.
[06:15] <Kilos> yes man its in the repos
[06:15] <Kilos> look in synaptic
[06:15] <Kilos> sudo aptitude install synaptic
[06:16] <barrydk> kilos samsung doesnt work with repos
[06:16] <magespawn> morning all
[06:16] <Kilos> of for the fone
[06:16] <Kilos> ai
[06:16] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[06:16] <barrydk> morning
[06:16] <Kilos> here is the man barrydk
[06:17] <magespawn> hey Kilos barrydk
[06:17] <mazal> Hey magespawn
[06:17] <Kilos> magespawn, you got a samsung touch pad thingie?
[06:18] <Kilos> mrs_fly, wb
[06:18] <magespawn> no htc flyer but almost the same
[06:18] <Kilos> wb superfly
[06:18] <Kilos> and morning
[06:18] <magespawn> o/ mazal
[06:18] <mazal> How things magespawn ?
[06:18] <Kilos> magespawn, barrydk sukkeling with his samsung to get quassel going
[06:18] <magespawn> good and you mazal?
[06:19] <mazal> I'm fine thanx
[06:19] <magespawn> why Kilos? what is the problem?
[06:19] <mazal> He's ok on simpleirc
[06:19] <Kilos> barrydk, tell him
[06:19] <barrydk> ya but it is working ok
[06:20] <Kilos> hows things your side magespawn ?
[06:20] <Kilos> finish the video?
[06:20] <Kilos> aw fly gone
[06:21] <Kilos> both fly's
[06:21] <barrydk> is quassel better than simp irc
[06:21] <Kilos> superdoom got the flies
[06:22] <magespawn> yes Kilos, aspect ratio is a bit wrong though
[06:22] <Kilos> aw
[06:23] <Kilos> try again with ubuntu
[06:23] <magespawn> barrydk: if you set up a quassel core server, i think so yes
[06:23] <magespawn> Kilos  that is just a setting so easy to sort
[06:23] <Kilos> ah
[06:24] <barrydk> i just use it for chat here nothing fancy
[06:24] <magespawn> nice thing with the core is your client connects to the core, and the core stays conmected to your channels
[06:25] <magespawn> also you can have multiple clients connect at the same time
[06:26] <Kilos> wb flies
[06:28] <magespawn> barrydk: you can usually tell who is running a quasselcore, they rarely seem to dissconnect
[06:29] <superfly> and mine is having issues
[06:29] <Maaz> superfly: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell superfly Morning raoul. hope its just the web thats sick and not your server" 51 minutes and 14 seconds ago
[06:29] <superfly> brb
[06:32] <superfly> something messed up the permissions on the server (probably me)
[06:32] <Kilos> eek
[06:35] <superfly> morning Kilos
[06:35] <superfly> Kilos: I think it was me trying to get the stats for #ubuntu-za that killed my server :-(
[06:35] <Kilos> sorry superfly
[06:35] <superfly> I need to upgrade it anyways
[06:38] <Kilos> hi Wraz
[06:39] <Kilos> hehe who am i --none of your business
[06:43] <barrydk> thanks Megaspawn. i think for nou ill stay with simp irc it doez what i want and without giving me trouble.
[06:44] <magespawn> np barrydk i also used androIRC and andchat, i changed my input to the hackers keyboard in the play store
[06:45] <barrydk> ok ill have a look
[06:46] <Kilos> hi Tonberry
[06:46] <Tonberry> hallo
[06:46] <barrydk> hi
[06:58] <magespawn> hey Tonberry
[07:02] <Kilos> hi jrgns
[07:15] <Kilos> hi SmilyBorg_w you ok?
[07:20] <Kilos> yay ubuntulog has lost its tail
[07:21] <Kilos> dag Kerbero Banlam bakuman aquarat
[07:22] <barrydk> kilos may we use faul language on this channel
[07:22] <Kilos> no
[07:23] <Kilos> we are gentlemen and ladies
[07:23] <Kilos> or try to act that way anyway
[07:23] <barrydk> i thought so
[07:25] <barrydk> i see you speek a different language there
[07:25] <Kilos> where?
[07:25] <mazal> lol
[07:25] <mazal> Those usernames , barry can't see them
[07:26] <Kilos> ah he can join
[07:27] <mazal> Those guys you greeted , he can't see they are users.
[07:27] <mazal> Thought you speaking in weird tongues lol
[07:27] <Kilos> oh here. he isnt on the pc?
[07:27] <Kilos> hehe
[07:27] <Kilos> i love xchat
[07:27] <mazal> No he is on phone and it doesn't show userlist
[07:27] <Kilos> lol
[07:28] <mazal> He too lazy to put on is laptop this morning
[07:29] <barrydk> no not lazy planing our great escape then ill have to pack up everything if i sucseed
[07:29] <Kilos> lol
[07:31]  * mazal likes that plan
[07:47] <barrydk> kilos do.you have real coffee
[07:47]  * superfly has real coffee
[07:48] <Kilos> lol i drink tea
[07:48] <Kilos> and cyber coffee
[07:49] <Kilos> doesnt give headaches
[07:49] <barrydk> oh no i cant drink that stuff
[07:49]  * superfly has freshly ground coffee
[07:51] <Kilos> best coffee i have tasted is at airports and big train stations
[07:53] <barrydk> mazal and i are coming to pta and thought we could pop in for some coffee
[07:53] <Kilos> aw sorry
[07:54] <magespawn> bbl got to go get fishes
[07:55] <Kilos> k magespawn
[07:57] <superfly> Kilos: ugh, no. the best coffee I've ever had is from the coffee shop around the corner
[07:59] <Kilos> i dunno now superfly  but in the older days the pta station and durbs airport hjad wonderful coffee
[07:59] <Kilos> perculated of course
[07:59] <Kilos> better than nescafe classic
[08:06] <jrgns> soz, hi guys
[08:12] <barrydk> hi there
[08:24] <barrydk> bbl off to pta
[08:26] <mazal> Enjoy the day guys , we are escaping :P
[08:29] <Squirm> hey again people of za
[08:36] <charl_> good morning
[08:36] <charl_> hi Squirm
[08:36] <Kilos> hi charl_
[08:36] <charl_> hi Kilos !
[08:40] <Kilos> lo henkj
[08:40] <henkj> hi Kilos
[08:41] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[11:06] <Kilos> oh my
[11:06] <Kilos> wb all of you
[11:19] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[11:23] <Kilos> hey magespawn
[11:59] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[11:59] <Kilos> wb
[12:00] <nlsthzn> alo uncle Kilos
[12:21] <Kilos> haha superfly you played games with ronnie rewitsky
[12:22] <Kilos> we were appies together
[12:32] <Kilos> hey magespawn that format gonna take days
[12:32] <Kilos> 1/4 wat now since 8pm last night
[12:33] <Kilos> way
[12:33] <magespawn> sometimes it will go quicker once past a certain spot, but generally they do take a long time
[12:33] <Kilos> lol
[12:34] <Kilos> had a lekker low level format tool on stiffy but dont see the later stuff
[12:34] <Kilos> called troubleshooter
[12:35] <Kilos> but if it fixes the prob then no matter how long it takes
[12:46] <magespawn> indeed
[14:06] <inetpro> goeie more oom Kilos
[14:07] <Kilos> more inetpro
[14:07] <inetpro> weer baie warm vandag
[14:12] <Kilos> ja lekker
[14:22] <kbmonkey> happy friday everyone!
[14:29] <inetpro> wb kbmonkey
[14:42] <inetpro> Kilos: did you notice that ubuntulog lost his tail somewhere?
[14:46]  * inetpro last night sent a message to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and somebody came to fix it early this morning
[14:48] <Kilos> yes inetpro saw it and commented but cant find what time now
[14:48] <Kilos> did you fix it
[14:48] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey
[14:49] <Kilos> who is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:49] <inetpro> 07/12 00:06:13 <-> ubuntulog_ is now known as ubuntulog
[14:49] <inetpro> 07/12 00:37:02 <-- cinerama (~stephane@2001:44b8:3167:1400:503e:d7e7:a01b:8dfa) has left #ubuntu-za ("Leaving")
[14:50] <inetpro> Kilos: must have been cinerama
[14:51] <inetpro> Kilos: I found the address at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots
[14:59] <Kilos> aw didnt even see himher
[14:59] <Kilos> how do we say ty
[14:59] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[15:00] <Kilos> hi magtie
[15:01] <Kilos> sowwy magespawn
[15:01] <Kilos> inetpro, you home yet?
[15:04] <inetpro> Kilos: he/she/it came in at 23:52:33, fixed it soon after and subsequently left again
[15:04] <inetpro> who knows, may be another bot
[15:04] <Kilos> sjoe and didnt even say hi
[15:04] <inetpro> haha
[15:04] <Kilos> well at least you know how to report it now
[15:05] <kbmonkey> hi Kilos
[15:05] <inetpro> yeah, and happy that there was a quick response
[15:05] <kbmonkey> and inetpro. happy its weekend?
[15:05] <Kilos> yay
[15:06] <inetpro> lol
[15:06] <inetpro> kbmonkey: ja ja
[15:06] <Kilos> funny that ubuntulog doesnt show its connected here too
[15:07] <kbmonkey> what are you grepping ?
[15:07] <Kilos> hope they fix that
[15:07] <Kilos> we needed stats kbmonkey  for the reapp thing
[15:08] <Kilos> http://bit.ly/WtOUPl
[15:08] <Kilos> and the ubuntulog bot doesnt respond to anything
[15:08] <inetpro> Kilos: it's just a logging bot
[15:09] <inetpro> no need to respond to anything
[15:09] <inetpro> and please don't try to make it respond
[15:09] <inetpro> they might kick you out of here
[15:09] <kbmonkey> ok. got it.
[15:09] <Kilos> it must show us our logs when we need info man
[15:09] <Kilos> stupid bot
[15:10] <magespawn> on my way home later all
[15:10] <Kilos> go well magespawn
[15:10] <inetpro> Kilos: you can see the logs any time at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[15:10] <kbmonkey> drive safe
[15:11] <Kilos> so kbmonkey hows things
[15:11] <Kilos> did we get all stats needed inetpro ?
[15:11] <inetpro> Kilos: superfly was still extracting stuffs from his quassel database last time I checked
[15:12] <Kilos> ludo gone today
[15:12] <inetpro> but looks like he even made it crash as well
[15:12] <Kilos> aw and he crashed his server
[15:12] <Kilos> hehe ya it stole permissions from him
[15:12] <inetpro> lots and lots of data to parse
[15:12] <Kilos> musta chowned it
[15:12] <inetpro> haha
[15:12] <Kilos> hehe
[15:14] <Kilos> we need reapp for what exactly
[15:14] <Kilos> our loco?
[15:14] <kbmonkey> fine Kilos. it stopped raining for a bit even!
[15:15] <Kilos> and here we hoping for more all the time
[15:15] <inetpro> ai Kilos, het jy nie gelees nie?
[15:15] <Kilos> man ekke vergeet
[15:15] <Kilos> wil tweet. skryf gou wat moet ek se
[15:15] <inetpro> LoCo Team Approval and Re-approval process https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/TeamApprovalGuidelines
[15:16] <Kilos> so its to be accepted as an official loco?
[15:16] <inetpro> An approved team is a team that is up and running, and has demonstrated sustained team activity.
[15:16] <inetpro> They have met all of the requirements, and they have established resources up and running, and the team is working well.
[15:16] <inetpro> as simple as that
[15:16] <Kilos> oh the team not the loco
[15:17] <Kilos> does our loco not get reapped
[15:17] <inetpro> Benefits of Approval: An approved team is eligible for certain benefits such as marketing materials. An approved team is also considered official by the Ubuntu project. The following are the current benefits:
[15:17] <inetpro> - CDs for each cycle
[15:17] <inetpro> - Special Conference Pack for Approved Teams
[15:17] <Kilos> just the team
[15:17] <Kilos> whats a conference pack
[15:17] <Kilos> special too
[15:18] <Kilos> kbmonkey, you can put your testimonial there too
[15:18] <inetpro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAtConferences
[15:18] <Kilos> wb aquarat
[15:18] <Kilos> ai
[15:19] <kbmonkey> looking at the page now...
[15:19] <inetpro> Kilos: best to go read the full page above
[15:19] <inetpro> can't copy all that
[15:20] <Kilos> eek
[15:20] <Kilos> too much to read
[15:20] <Kilos> ill take your word for it
[15:20] <inetpro> ai
[15:21] <kbmonkey> wow I like that conference pack!
[15:22] <kbmonkey> you know, for an african themed distro with same windy origins, theres less interest than globally, it seems
[15:23] <inetpro> kbmonkey: now we just need to organise some proper conferences so we can show everyone
[15:23] <kbmonkey> ... has got to be the bad connectivity
[15:28]  * inetpro bbl
[15:28] <Kilos> we confer here all the time
[15:28] <Kilos> go well inetpro
[15:29] <kbmonkey> that document is in an email link, ne Kilos ?
[15:40] <Kilos> hi Kerbero
[15:40] <Kerbero> o/
[15:42] <Kilos> hmm monkey ran before i could hear what he sorted with the greeter
[16:31] <charl_> hihi
[16:31] <charl_> had some decent snow today
[16:31] <charl_> but not nearly as much as predicted
[16:31] <Kilos> hi charl_
[16:31] <charl_> hi Kilos :)
[17:26] <magespawn> evening all
[17:26] <superfly> hiya magespawn
[17:26] <Kilos> hey magespawn
[17:26] <magespawn> what up guys?
[17:27] <Kilos> temps
[17:27] <magespawn> as always
[17:27] <Kilos> wind died down
[17:27] <magespawn> how do i ask Maaz ro check if a website is up?
[17:27] <magespawn> ro=to
[17:27] <Kilos> could enjoy a quick storm
[17:27] <Kilos> ping it
[17:28] <Kilos> whats the link?
[17:28] <magespawn> Maaz ping www.nia.gov.za
[17:28] <Maaz> magespawn: 5 packets transmitted, 0 received, +5 errors, 100% packet loss, time 4006ms
[17:28] <Kilos> or i think guys have asked him as well if its up
[17:28] <magespawn> wo no ping reply then
[17:29] <Kilos> Maaz, is www.nia.gov.za up
[17:29] <Maaz> Kilos: No, http://www.nia.gov.za/ is down (Not Found)
[17:29] <magespawn> right
[17:29] <magespawn> ty Kilos
[17:29] <Kilos> yw
[17:29] <Kilos> i hope that was right
[17:31] <magespawn> looks like it
[17:31] <magespawn> does anyone here encrypt thier email?
[17:33] <Kilos> no why would one do that?
[17:33] <Kilos> lo mazal
[17:34] <mazal> Naand oom
[17:34] <mazal> Sjoe I was amazed now
[17:35] <Kilos> at what?\
[17:35] <mazal> My brother created an event in his outlook and emailed it out to all attendees
[17:35] <mazal> To my amazement my lightning add-on (thunderbird) actually processed it and added it to my lightning calendar in thunderbird
[17:35] <Kilos> attendees of what
[17:35] <mazal> +1 for thunderbird
[17:36] <Kilos> i dont like thunderbird much
[17:36] <mazal> It can actually process and add Outlook events :)
[17:36] <Kilos> whats outlook events?
[17:37] <mazal> Events that are created in calender , this one is a braai for example
[17:37] <mazal> In outlook
[17:37] <Kilos> oh the reminder thingie
[17:37] <mazal> I would have never thought that thunderbird would actually be compatible with that
[17:37] <magespawn> notifications and reminders of things that  are happening
[17:38] <mazal> I think that is very cool from the thunderbird devs
[17:38] <Kilos> ah ty
[17:38] <Kilos> dont all mail clients do that?
[17:38] <mazal> I doubt it
[17:38] <magespawn> Kilos you would encrypt your email to stop other people reading it
[17:39] <Kilos> if i got something secret to say i use pidgin otr
[17:39] <magespawn> most complete mail clients will, but it is rare to get two different ones talking, especially outlook
[17:40] <Kilos> even irc has it
[17:40] <Kilos> or xchat anyway
[17:40] <magespawn> what enryption Kilos?
[17:41] <Kilos> otr man
[17:41] <Kilos> off the record
[17:41] <Kilos> xchat is tricky to setup though
[17:41] <Kilos> pidgin is easy
[17:41] <Kilos> it actually encrypts between the two pc's involved
[17:42] <Kilos> so only they can read it
[17:42] <magespawn> cool i did not know that
[17:43]  * magespawn goes to do some pidgin reading
[17:43] <Kilos> i love pidgin
[17:43] <Kilos> no man
[17:43] <Kilos> you got pidgin?
[17:44] <Kilos> the two pcs kinda handshake and sort what they gonna do
[17:45] <Kilos> oh you on fone
[17:49] <superfly> mazal: it is only because Outlook conforms to one of the calendar standards
[18:05] <Kilos> wb inetpro
[18:05] <Kilos> who is Wraz ??
[18:05] <Kilos> we have a spy in our midst
[18:06] <Kilos> maybe he's just very shy
[18:09] <Kilos> wb waterrat
[18:09] <magespawn> i do have pidgin Kilos just not on the tablet
[18:09] <Kilos> ya i twigged later
[18:11] <magespawn> there is Gibberbot, works with pidgin, but do not have that either, ...... yet
[18:12] <Kilos> i tried qp there but it chats to me only
[18:12] <Kilos> havent worked out how to join a group chat
[18:21] <inetpro> Kilos: oh, who said I'm back?
[18:21] <Kilos> i haada feeling
[18:21] <inetpro> haha
[18:21] <Kilos> hehe
[18:24]  * inetpro is not here
[18:37] <inetpro> Kilos: that does not mean you must keep quiet
[18:38] <Kilos> hahahahaha
[18:38] <Kilos> im trying to figure out who Wraz might be
[18:39] <Kilos> and watching some scifi on E
[18:39] <Kilos> ugly noonoos
[18:40] <inetpro> Kilos: he is noneofyou
[18:41] <inetpro> must be from some other planet
[18:42] <Kilos> oh well we give him till monday night to greet
[18:43] <Kilos> where is internic commercial
[18:44] <Kilos> theres no such country
[18:45] <inetpro> Kilos: 05/12 22:40:02 --> Wraz<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-za
[18:46] <Kilos> ya i get that too but see where he/she/it filled in country as internic commercial
[18:47] <inetpro> he did talk two times after joining
[18:47] <Kilos> to who??
[18:48] <Kilos> aw where was i
[18:48] <Kilos> im the greeter bot here
[18:48] <inetpro> lol
[18:48]  * Kilos sulks
[18:49] <inetpro> Wraz: please speak to Kilos so he can be happy that you are a human
[18:50] <Kilos> was it late at night inetpro ?
[18:50] <inetpro> Kilos: yep, just after he joined
[18:50] <Kilos> magespawn, format half way after 25 hours
[18:50] <inetpro> 05/12 22:58:38 <Wraz> What happened to Zanet ?
[18:50] <inetpro> 05/12 22:58:51 <Wraz> was an awesome #programming on there.
[18:50] <Kilos> so who welcomed him?
[18:51] <inetpro> Kilos: uh
[18:52]  * inetpro was ignorant
[18:52] <inetpro> again
[18:52] <Kilos> lol
[18:52] <inetpro> it was late
[18:52] <inetpro> sorry Kilos
[18:52] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za
[18:52] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos and inetpro
[18:52] <inetpro> wb Trixar_za
[18:53] <Kilos> Maaz, google zanet
[18:53] <Maaz> Kilos: "ZAnet" http://www.zanet.org.za/ :: "A World of Natural Stones - Marmi Bruno Zanet" http://www.brunozanet.com/ :: "Zanét Couture - Home" http://www.zanet.com.au/ :: "Zanet Web Design" http://www.zanet.co.uk/ :: "Autos Zanet" http://autoszanet.com/ :: "Jerome De Zanet - Ireland | LinkedIn" http://www.linkedin.com/pub/jerome-de-zanet/1/932/624 :: "Nathalie
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[18:55] <Kilos> maybe hes a hacker for them
[18:55] <Kilos> Wraz, ping
[18:55] <Kilos> and fogot to disconnect here
[18:55] <Kilos> because we so cool
[18:56] <Kilos> forgot
[19:00] <Kilos> now format speeded up
[19:02] <Kilos> sigh now it says it was unable to complete the formay
[19:02] <Kilos> grrr
[19:06] <mazal> Sleep well everyone
[19:11] <inetpro> superfly: did you come right with your stats?
[19:11] <superfly> inetpro: I'll take a look again in a little while
[19:11] <superfly> just trying to do some family stuff right now
[19:11] <inetpro> how did you end up crashing your quassel?
[19:12] <superfly> (attempt #2)
[19:12] <inetpro> ahh
[19:12] <superfly> inetpro: I have no idea\
[19:12]  * inetpro will wait
[19:12] <superfly> I just logged in and it was off
[19:18] <magespawn> Kilos cool about the format
[19:19] <Kilos> foung 12kB bad sectors
[19:19] <Kilos> thats min
[19:19] <Kilos> trying chkdsk to recover them
[19:30] <Kilos> hi smile
[19:30] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:30] <smile> hi :p
[19:30] <smile> good night
[19:31] <inetpro> hmm....
[19:32] <inetpro> smile-- stopped smiling?
[19:32] <smile--> inetpro: yeah, too much maths ;)
[19:33] <inetpro> how did the exams go?
[19:34] <smile--> quite good :p
[19:34] <smile--> today
[19:34] <smile--> but next week they won't :|
[19:34] <inetpro> next week maths?
[19:35] <inetpro> smile--: maths is easy
[19:35] <inetpro> important is that you just exercise, exercise, exercise
[19:36] <smile--> inetpro: not mine :o
[19:36] <smile--> it's my last year, it's quite complicated :p
[19:37] <inetpro> smile--: when are you writing?
[19:37] <smile--> wednesday or thursday, not sure.. :p
[19:37] <inetpro> writing or also just oral?
[19:37] <smile--> but tomorrow I have to learn other subjects, like economics
[19:37] <smile--> :p
[19:38]  * inetpro used to love economics but hated writing the exams
[19:38] <inetpro> to much memorising
[19:39] <inetpro> maths is all simple logics
[19:39]  * magespawn detests parrot learning
[19:40] <inetpro> with maths you can always work it out
[19:40] <magespawn> if have basic understanding or time
[19:40] <superfly> inetpro: maths is NOT simple logic
[19:40] <superfly> maths is not logical at all
[19:40] <inetpro> ai
[19:41] <inetpro> well if you know the basic rules it's all logical
[19:41] <magespawn> and that from a programmer
[19:42] <superfly> I got 35% for maths at the end of Std 9, but I got the prize for 1st in Computer Studies in matric. You figure that one out :-P
[19:42] <magespawn> hah
[19:42] <inetpro> sjoe
[19:42] <inetpro> now that looks like an anomaly to me
[19:43] <magespawn> i was terrible at maths in school but that was a lack of application, nothing more
[19:43] <magespawn> interest and application supefl
[19:43] <magespawn> interest and application supefly
[19:46] <magespawn> at my school computers were a add subject and you had to pass maths and have a 80% ave
[19:46] <smile--> bye :p
[19:46] <inetpro> smile--: good luck
[19:46] <smile--> inetpro: lol ;)
[19:46] <inetpro> and good night
[19:47] <smile--> (at the first lines)
[19:47] <magespawn> night smile
[19:47] <smile--> thanks :D
[19:47] <smile--> all of ya :)
[19:47] <magespawn> superfly see i can spell it
[19:48]  * inetpro didn't even know what a computer looked like in school
[19:48] <inetpro> first time I touched a computer was after I started my first job
[19:49] <inetpro> but maybe I'm lying, just a bit
[19:50]  * magespawn must get used to tab complete
[19:50] <magespawn> ping
[19:50] <inetpro> I did see an older nephew of mine with his computer while I was still in school, but never had an idea what it was for
[19:51] <magespawn> hah funny how things work out
[19:53] <inetpro> interestingly it was a good friend of mine who planted the seed, while still in school, that I should attempt computing as a field
[19:53] <inetpro> but it was only later when things moved into that direction
[19:54]  * inetpro actually came to Pretoria to study agriculture
[19:55] <magespawn> i studied nature conservation @ Pretori tech.
[19:55] <magespawn> inetpro where?
[19:55] <inetpro> magespawn: I actually never started
[19:55] <magespawn> ah
[19:55] <inetpro> the day I was supposed to start I realised that it was not for me
[19:56] <magespawn> fortunate
[19:56] <inetpro> had some aptitude tests done and they recommended computing
[19:56] <inetpro> but sadly I was to late
[19:57] <inetpro> all classes where fully booked
[19:57] <magespawn> why?
[19:57] <magespawn> ah
[19:57] <magespawn> so then?
[19:57] <inetpro> so I started looking for a job
[19:57] <inetpro> thought I would study part time
[19:57] <inetpro> sadly that was a bad idea to start with
[19:58] <inetpro> took me three full months before I had a job
[19:58] <magespawn> i have found it so, wife can do it
[19:58] <magespawn> that is awhile, doing?
[19:58] <inetpro> started as a finance clerk
[19:58] <magespawn> ouch
[19:59] <inetpro> the only thing I had was a good friend who provided accommodation
[20:00] <inetpro> after my first paycheck of just more than R700 I signed a lease for a bicycle at OK
[20:01] <inetpro> took me something like two years to pay that off
[20:02] <inetpro> crazy times
[20:08] <magespawn> lol
[20:08] <magespawn> i did not even know you could do that
[20:08] <magespawn> inetpro: do you remember 1/2 cent pieces?
[20:09] <inetpro> magespawn: oh yes
[20:09] <inetpro> we bought a whole packet of sweets with that
[20:09] <magespawn> chappies for 1/2 cent
[20:09] <inetpro> yebo yes, and more than just one
[20:10] <inetpro> +niggerballs and others
[20:10] <magespawn> i still have one somewhere
[20:11] <magespawn> 1/2 cent that is
[20:11] <inetpro> sjoe
[20:12] <inetpro> magespawn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SA_Coins_1961-1964.JPG
[20:13] <magespawn> does boot repair work with the other os or only linux?
[20:15] <inetpro> magespawn: it's been way to long ago that I needed a boot repair
[20:15] <inetpro> perhaps look at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[20:16] <Trixar_za> I actually have one of those coins
[20:16] <Trixar_za> Well, the 1c anyway
[20:18] <magespawn> i had a look there too, says it repairs the mbr
[20:18] <magespawn> cool Trixar_za
[20:19] <inetpro> if I remember correctly we could buy something like four sweets with half a cent
[20:19] <inetpro> somewhere in the 70's
[20:20] <inetpro> chappies, niggerballs,  toffees, etc
[20:21] <Trixar_za> My dad said he used to go to the movies and buy popcorn on like 5c
[20:21] <Trixar_za> but I think he's exaggerating
[20:21] <magespawn> brand new beetle was R800
[20:21] <inetpro> Trixar_za: no, I think he might even be right
[20:22] <Trixar_za> This was in the 70s though
[20:22] <inetpro> my schoolfees for a year back then was something like R10 or at the most R20
[20:22] <inetpro> and that was a lot of money for my dad
[20:23] <inetpro> and that was the annual fee
[20:23] <magespawn> inetpro perhaps i should call you oom?
[20:23] <inetpro> haha
[20:24] <inetpro> at the time my dad was plowing his fields with oxen
[20:24] <inetpro> first time we had electricity in the home was when I was in standard 9
[20:26] <inetpro> and that was a major event
[20:28] <magespawn> cool makes you really appreciate things
[20:29] <inetpro> oh at least I knew by then what electricity was all about, we had it in the hostel for some time already
[20:30] <magespawn> one of the houses we stayed in england had no internal plumbingn so bathed in a zinc tub in the kitchen, and the toilet was outside on the street
[20:31] <inetpro> some famous guru in the area had it all figured out and built his own turbine which was used in the hostel
[20:31] <magespawn> sweet
[20:33] <inetpro> haha, my dad used to tell us how they only had a bath in a zinc tub once in a blue moon
[20:33] <magespawn> old english habit was once a week
[20:38] <magespawn> later all thanks for the chat inetpro
[20:39] <inetpro> magespawn: good night
[20:39] <inetpro> man when I think back to those days I really have to hang my head in shame, we have become so lazy today


[00:09] <DaSkreech> sebas: Woah
[00:09] <DaSkreech> I'm working on a server now that a client gave me and it boots up to Debian server in the time it takes my computer to detect the and initalize the CD Rom Drive
[00:23] <sebas> Heh, yeah. I've this SATA card that takes ages
[00:23] <sebas> And I found this funny UI problem in the BIOS screen
[00:23] <sebas> it says "press F8 for boot menu" before it has initialized the (usb) keyboard
[00:24] <DaSkreech> :-)
[00:24] <sebas> So the first keystrokes are lost
[00:24] <sebas> I can imagine that one being a phone support nightmare
[00:24] <DaSkreech> Well the server boots so fast that I had to look up the keys since it's impossible to read them while it's booting
[00:24] <sebas> (a) knowing about that particular race condition
[00:24] <sebas> (b) telling the person on the other line when to press F8 exactly
[00:25] <DaSkreech> waaaaait for it waaaaaaaaaaaaaait for it
[00:25] <DaSkreech> Now!!!
[01:36] <vorian> yay
[01:37] <etank> aya
[01:37] <DaSkreech> o/
[01:37] <vorian> it's rather quiet on the interwebs this evening
[01:43] <vorian> so etank
[01:44] <etank> yes mr. vorian
[01:44] <vorian> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes
[01:44] <vorian> these are some really easy things to get the hang of how debian packaging works
[01:45] <vorian> basic stuff like updating a package, creating a debdiff, etc...
[01:46] <etank> k
[01:47] <ScottK> Welcome etank.
[01:47] <etank> im going to take some time to watch the motu vids in the next day or so
[01:47] <etank> thanks ScottK
[01:54] <etank> vorian: the pbuilder for jaunty finished
[01:55] <vorian> excellent
[05:13] <rgreening> seele: you around?
[05:38] <DaSkreech> DeadNight: Qt
[05:38] <DeadNight> cute nickname or what? :P
[05:41] <DaSkreech> Cute Nick
[06:02] <DeadNight> ty ^^
[06:02] <DeadNight> i'm outta here... sleep time
[06:29] <nixternal> the new screen profiles in ubuntu server are nice....stupid python2.6 has a lot of shit broken though
[06:30] <ScottK> nixternal: It's known and planned and being fixed.
[06:31] <nixternal> i just went through offlineimap working on the code...i have it in a workable state, but it still spews a few errors
[06:31] <dtchen_> actually that's the surprise lying in wait for rich. he has to do the rest of the python 2.6 transition himself!
[06:42]  * nixternal blows up
[07:33] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: thx for sponsoring kile (i suppose it was you) ... please if you feel for it: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/AndreasWenning/DeveloperApplicationTemplate :)
[07:51] <rgreening> NCommander: ping
[10:40] <serenity> hi
[10:42] <serenity> Why was the experimental-repo closed down?
[10:46] <serenity> it's pretty unsatisfactory for the users to update this way, because they get in touch with other backported packages which may cause other problems.
[10:49] <Mamarok> serenity: what other packages do you have trouble with?
[10:49] <Mamarok> also, using an experimental repo seems by far more risky to me than backports anyway, so...
[10:50] <serenity> Mamarok: none, but i do support and i'm just waiting for the first user who complains about problems with backported software
[10:50] <Mamarok> serenity: well, they should not have use experimental in the first place IMHO then
[10:51] <mgraesslin> Mamarok: it's just a name, nut to be compared with Debians experimental repo
[10:51] <serenity> experi was a clear repo. You know what you get is all about kde. Backports are not.
[10:52] <Mamarok> mgraesslin: I know
[10:52] <Tm_T> but kubuntu-experimental is meant to, well, experimental use, so it's not quaranteed to work prefectly
[10:52] <Tm_T> and IMO not meant to "users" like backports
[10:52] <Mamarok> Tm_T: +1
[10:52] <mgraesslin> then it should not have been published on kubuntu news
[10:53] <Tm_T> mgraesslin: sure this all isn't mentioned there?
[10:53] <Mamarok> mgraesslin: well, it has been with the necessary warnings
[10:53] <serenity> but the backports-repo also doesn't garante to work perfect
[10:53] <serenity> +e
[10:53] <Tm_T> serenity: true, but it has more testing behind there
[10:54] <Tm_T> as in more likely to work without issues
[10:54] <mgraesslin> and what about video garbage?
[10:54] <Mamarok> oh come on, if a user wants the latest packages, he/she should be aware of the risks anyway, and not just install without checking waht is installed
[10:54] <Tm_T> Mamarok: indeed
[10:54] <Tm_T> especially when this all is mentioned properly
[10:54] <mgraesslin> sorry to say: but most Kubuntu users asking for support at ubuntuusers.de have no idea at all
[10:55] <Mamarok> it can hardly be our fault if a user does silly things
[10:55] <mgraesslin> they just copy commands to the konsole
[10:55] <Mamarok> mgraesslin: well, tell them then to use their brains before doing things
[10:55] <serenity> Case: User1 wants to have 4.2, enable backports, updates and leaves the repo enabled. One day, linux-header---xyz is ready for update and Soundcard etc isn't working after that.
[10:55] <Mamarok> and read release texts before doing anything, that's what those are made for
[10:56] <mgraesslin> Mamarok: how many users read the 4.0 release note? Or Amarok 2.0? Why were there all these complaints if all users read the release note?
[10:57] <Mamarok> mgraesslin: well, that's their fault, isn't it? And that's the way you also learn not to do things without thinking
[10:58] <Mamarok> or ask for advice before if he(she doesn't have a clue
[10:58] <Tm_T> mgraesslin: we cannot hold peoples hands all the way, really
[10:58] <serenity> what was wrong about the experimental-repo?
[10:58] <serenity> s/about/with
[10:58] <mgraesslin> sorry to say but I totally disagree
[10:58] <Tm_T> mgraesslin: so we should not announce new releases at all, and keep packages away from any public site?
[10:59] <mgraesslin> I want to have Linux work the way that it is "DAU" safe - with that attitude it will not happen
[10:59] <serenity> no, but don't distribute them via backports
[10:59] <Mamarok> mgraesslin: or going back to the good old Debian release cycles, once every 5 years or so... and get a totally outdated system on the desktop
[10:59] <Tm_T> mgraesslin: Linux is IF you stick with official repositories
[11:00] <Tm_T> mgraesslin: we cannot hide new stuff, and would be nonsense to even try
[11:00] <mgraesslin> yeah and the normal user does not want to have the newest releases and understands the danger of non-official repositories
[11:00] <Tm_T> Linux/Ubuntu
[11:00] <Mamarok> serenity: well, as I said, they should *not* have used experimental in the first place, it was really testing, backports are more tested
[11:00] <Tm_T> mgraesslin: that's the job of community to tell about those things
[11:00] <mgraesslin> the release note on kubuntu news did not tell this
[11:00] <serenity> Mamarok: and what about the case i mentioned above?
[11:00] <Tm_T> mgraesslin: did
[11:01] <Tm_T> and does
[11:01] <Mamarok> mgraesslin: why did they upgrade in the first place then? It has never been announced as an official release like 8.10 or 8.04
[11:01] <Tm_T> if not, give a fix patch and it will be fixed
[11:01] <Mamarok> so if the user wants a stable system, he/she should stick with the official release, period.
[11:01] <mgraesslin> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[11:02] <mgraesslin> were is there the information that it could be harmful?
[11:02] <Mamarok> those who complain if they use experimental or backported stuff should have thought before
[11:02] <Mamarok> mgraesslin: its not an offical Kubuntu release, the offical one is 8.10.
[11:02] <Mamarok> not that we wouldn't help out of the mess, but still
[11:03] <Mamarok> that's like tuning a car and not been able to handle it if it's going too fast or is more difficult to steer
[11:03] <Mamarok> not the manufacturers fault, but the users
[11:04] <mgraesslin> sorry then don't put it on the news page
[11:04] <mgraesslin> keep the packages hidden to those who will find it
[11:04] <serenity> Wrong. By distributing via backports you also provide the ''tools'' to tune the car.
[11:05]  * mgraesslin thinks the whole concept of bakcports is wrong in Ubuntu
[11:05] <serenity> +1
[11:05] <Mamarok> oh come on, it has been said and written that this is *not* stable and experimental, and backports are marked to be *not* recommended for basic users, so
[11:05] <Tm_T> mgraesslin: indeed, it isn't told clearly enough, but, its said "Follow the Kubuntu Repository Guide to enable Recommended Updates and Unsupported Updates"
[11:05] <Mamarok> unsupported says it all btw, so if people can't read...
[11:06] <Tm_T> Mamarok: aye, but could be said more clearly IMO
[11:06] <mgraesslin> and everybody speaks a fluent english?
[11:06] <Tm_T> mgraesslin: how this "backports" is wrong?
[11:06]  * Sput finds it quite optimistic to think that Joe Dau Average knows what "unsupported" means
[11:07] <Sput> most users go "omg shiniez" and that's all they think when they see such a checkbox :)
[11:07] <Tm_T> Sput: I kinda agree, glad that most of local communities makes things clear
[11:07] <serenity> so if a user comes around with a f"§$-upped system because of backports, i have to tell him: hey, you wanted 4.2 it's your fault?
[11:07] <Mamarok> Sput: agree, but this is *not* our fault at all
[11:07] <Tm_T> serenity: wouldn't say that
[11:07] <mgraesslin> Tm_T: backports are Pandora's box - there is everything, you get stuff you don't want, you get stuff you want
[11:07] <Mamarok> serenity: yes, and he should have asked before upgrading and have read the warnings, but one can word it differently
[11:08] <Tm_T> mgraesslin: just like backports are supposed to work in large scale
[11:08] <Nightrose> serenity: mgraesslin: has there been a problem already? can we help?
[11:08] <Mamarok> mgraesslin: again, the average users should not activate backports and is told so, if he does it non the less, it's his fault, persiod.
[11:08] <serenity> Nightrose: no yet
[11:08] <Tm_T> Nightrose: not known, just speculation
[11:08] <Nightrose> ok let us know when - i'll help you
[11:09] <Sput> Mamarok: "should have asked" and "read the warnings" is just not something users do
[11:09] <Sput> :)
[11:09] <serenity> Nightrose: it will tell you if so
[11:09] <serenity> ;)
[11:09] <Mamarok> Sput: I know, but this is not our fault
[11:09] <Tm_T> Sput: they should, and we should tell tem to do so
[11:09] <mgraesslin> Nightrose: there is already one thread with a user complaining that the ppa is not available any more
[11:09] <Mamarok> if people are stupid we should be blamed? come on!
[11:09] <Nightrose> can you give me a link?
[11:10] <Tm_T> Nightrose: anyway, maybe we should make a habit to mention when some upgrade isn't "supported by canonical" or similar, to make notice that it's not official in highest level or so
[11:10] <Nightrose> does it matter who is at fault?
[11:10] <Nightrose> stop putting the blame on the other party!
[11:10] <Nightrose> Tm_T: yes definitely
[11:10] <mgraesslin> http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/kde-4.2-update-quelle-nicht-mehr-vorhanden/
[11:10] <Tm_T> miscommunication is everyones fault =)
[11:10] <Nightrose> Tm_T: can you send an email to the devel list?
[11:10] <Nightrose> mgraesslin: thx
[11:10] <Tm_T> Nightrose: will today, remind me if it hasn't happened in 6 hours
[11:11] <Nightrose> ok
[11:11] <mgraesslin> Nightrose: it might be a good idea to put changes like repo not only in the corrseponding news but publish it as a new entry
[11:11] <Nightrose> mgraesslin: *nod* something to think about
[11:11] <mgraesslin> you don't check old news entries for changes of repos
[11:12] <Tm_T> mgraesslin: FYI back when we tried to hide stuff from users, they did dig it out and complain still
[11:12] <Tm_T> mgraesslin: so, really hiding unstable stuff doesn't help
[11:12] <Nightrose> heh good point
[11:13] <mgraesslin> then it needs more warnings
[11:13] <Tm_T> mgraesslin: hidden and KNOWN to be unstable?!
[11:13] <mgraesslin> for us at ubuntuusers.de it was a clear official repo with KDE 4.2 - and we recommended the upgrade cause of the massive improvements compared to 4.1
[11:14] <serenity> "via backports you get 4.2 and _also_ other backported packages which may affect your system''
[11:14] <Tm_T> mgraesslin: from where you took that official part?
[11:14] <mgraesslin> from the fact that it was published in a news on kubuntu.org
[11:14] <Tm_T> mgraesslin: that doesn't make things official (:
[11:15] <Nightrose> well...
[11:15] <Tm_T> mgraesslin: anyway, miscommunication, we should make it more clear what is official and supported
[11:15] <Tm_T> and what is not
[11:15] <serenity> for user xyz it does
[11:15] <mgraesslin> and that it is linked on KDE relaese announcement as packages are available
[11:15] <Tm_T> mgraesslin: indeed
[11:16] <Tm_T> anyway, gottago ->
[11:26] <emonkey> hey apachelogger good morning and a good sunday!
[11:26] <apachelogger> salut emonkey
[11:37] <a|wen> hey apachelogger
[11:50] <apachelogger> o/ a|wen
[11:51] <a|wen> we've been praising your bat-scripts the last days :)
[11:55] <Quintasan> \o
[12:10] <apachelogger> a|wen: sweet :D
[12:11] <a|wen> apachelogger: so be sure to be back in time, if we ever need some maintenance of them ;)
[12:16] <Nightrose> apachelogger: how much longer are you around?
[12:16] <Nightrose> i should tag 2.0.2 today and this would be the test run for the branch tagging
[12:17] <Nightrose> do you have any local changes left?
[12:18] <apachelogger> Nightrose: did I even commit that?
[12:18] <Nightrose> not sure
[12:18] <apachelogger> my latest work that is
[12:19] <apachelogger> branch tagging should be working just fine
[12:19] <apachelogger> I suppose ;-)
[12:20] <apachelogger> Nightrose: No new revisions to push.
[12:20] <apachelogger> just give it a shot
[12:20] <apachelogger> I'll take a look at my refactor branch
[12:21] <Nightrose> ok will be another few hours though i thin
[12:21] <Nightrose> k
[12:22] <apachelogger> the statistics stuff might break ... at least it only works for 1 of 3 tries in the refactor branch
[12:22] <apachelogger> not sure about stable
[12:23] <Nightrose> k
[12:41] <JontheEchidna> holas
[12:46] <a|wen> hi JontheEchidna
[12:46] <JontheEchidna> a|wen: writing up feedback now :)
[12:47] <a|wen> thx :)
[12:56] <JontheEchidna> feedback'd
[12:58] <a|wen> much appreciated JontheEchidna
[13:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[13:59] <Quintasan> Stasks is a nice plasmoid
[14:08] <ScottK> JFTR (reading the backscroll) - the KDE 4.2 packages in backports are much more installable and bug fixed than the ones in kubuntu-experimental were.
[14:17] <a|wen> ScottK: they are indeed; you've been doing a great job on them, thx for that! ... but we might want to consider adding a *warning: this is unsupported* to the news
[14:17] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: the default konq homepage crashes konqueror
[14:19] <a|wen> ScottK: another thing ... is it possible for us to do a copy from PPA to backports? (like security updates is a copy from a PPA); the only real problems we've seen is due to the packages not landing in the repository at the same time
[14:25] <Tonio_> ScottK: hi
[14:25] <Tonio_> ScottK: I have a little question about the NEW queue...
[14:26] <Tonio_> ScottK: I have 2 packages waiting there, that where kde3 apps, now ported to kde4...
[14:26] <Tonio_> ScottK: as they were previously in the archives, do they need a FFE ?
[14:26] <Tonio_> ScottK: I seem to remember Riddell told me they could be approved directly...
[16:20] <ScottK> Tonio_: They do need FFe, but Riddell can give it, so it amounts to you have one.
[16:21] <ScottK> a|wen: It is possible, but has had other problems where copied packages fail to upload once they are built on archs not supported by the PPA.
[16:21] <ScottK> I'm all for clarifications to make it clearer what people are getting into if they upgrade to 4.2 now.
[16:57] <a|wen> ScottK: "Note: These packages are not supported by Canonical; for a stable system it is not recommended to upgrade. KDE 4.2 will be officially supported as part of Kubuntu 9.04 being released April 23rd 2009."
[16:57] <a|wen> ScottK: or something in that area...
[16:57] <ScottK> Fine with me.
[16:58] <a|wen> i think that is what i understood people were missing from the news-item
[16:58]  * ScottK looks at ryanakca to fixor it.
[16:59] <a|wen> ScottK: will 4.2.1 go to kubuntu-experimental or -backports ?
[17:00] <ScottK> Up to Riddell, but I'd say kubuntu-experimental first.
[17:00] <a|wen> i second that!
[17:00] <a|wen> then we should add something similar; probably even with a stronger warning
[17:03] <a|wen> ScottK: maybe just expand the first part a bit to say "These packages are most experimental and not supported by Canonical; ..."
[17:04]  * ScottK doesn't really have the mental bandwidth available ATM to know, but like the idea of warning people.
[17:06] <a|wen> ryanakca: if you go to changing something: maybe we should also change the heading from "Jaunty" to "Jaunty (development release)" just for clarification
[17:16] <ryanakca> a|wen: Jaunty Alpha 5 Released -> Jaunty Alpha 5 (development release) Released ?
[17:17] <a|wen> ryanakca: the Jaunty title in http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[17:18] <ryanakca> a|wen: ah, there, ok. Might as well tackle all the other website bugs while I'm at it.
[17:19] <a|wen> sounds good :)
[17:20] <ryanakca> a|wen: check?
[17:22] <a|wen> ryanakca: doesn't seem to have changed ... some server-side caching?
[17:24] <ryanakca> a|wen: Probably... Check again in a few minutes and let me know if you want me to retweak it again please :)
[17:25] <a|wen> ryanakca: i'll do that ... thx a bunch
[17:47] <a|wen> ryanakca: are you sure you published the changes? ... still no changes
[18:08] <ryanakca> a|wen: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2 , right? `` KDE 4.2 has been released. Jaunty (current development release) users can do a full upgrade to get the latest packages. Packages for 8.10 (Intrepid) are in intrepid-backports''
[18:09] <a|wen> ryanakca: ahh ... i was looking at the "Jaunty" title below the picture
[18:10] <a|wen> ryanakca: and i was looking for an added warning somewhere in the intrepid instructions
[18:15] <ryanakca> a|wen: I can append it there. And I'm guessing the subject of the warning is somewheres in the scrollback?
[18:15] <ryanakca> Found it :)
[18:15] <a|wen> quicker than my copy-pasting :)
[18:17] <ryanakca> a|wen: There.
[18:18] <a|wen> ryanakca: perfect! :)
[18:18] <ryanakca> a|wen: Anything else? :)
[18:19] <ryanakca> a|wen: Any comments on bug 327094, or can I stick in the recommended changes?
[18:20] <a|wen> ryanakca: i don't have anything else ... and yeah, that should cover the bug
[18:21] <a|wen> at least what is left of the instructions after changing it for backports
[18:22] <smarter> kpackagekit still don't want to let me upgrade my system here: http://pastebin.com/m2ce850aa
[18:23] <smarter> "The name org.freedesktop.PolicyKit.AuthenticationAgent was not provided by any .service files" << am I missing another package?
[18:25] <a|wen> smarter: you have kpackagekit, policykit-kde and packagekit ?
[18:25] <smarter> yes
[18:26] <smarter> trying to launch software sources didn't work either: http://pastebin.com/m69f664b4
[18:26] <smarter> it asked for my password and then nothing
[18:26] <a|wen> smarter: and packagekit-backend-apt
[18:26] <a|wen> i suppose
[18:27] <smarter> I guess it's yet-another-python-bug-because-of-ascii-used-as-utf8-only-found-when-locale-is-not-english-so-noone-care
[18:27] <smarter> a|wen: yes
[18:27] <a|wen> smarter: could be one ... test with LANG=C ... if it works scream at $someone
[18:28] <smarter> haha, now it crashed, and apport crashed trying to generate a crash dump :p
[18:29] <smarter> OSError: [Errno 17] File exists: '/var/crash/_usr_bin_python2.6.0.crash'
[18:30] <a|wen> oh great... seems python-apport doesn't do automatic filename-increase
[18:30] <smarter> yay for QA
[18:31] <a|wen> who needs that :P
[18:31] <smarter> seems like I'm not the only one who has this problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1075778
[18:35] <smarter> a|wen: does it work for you?
[18:36] <a|wen> smarter: i'm still on intrepid ... might venture for an upgrade after 4.2.1 is out
[18:37] <Quintasan> something needs testing?
[18:40] <smarter> Quintasan: kpackagekit
[18:40] <a|wen> smarter: any output from "ls -1 /usr/share/dbus-1/services/* | xargs grep -Hn org.freedesktop.PolicyKit.AuthenticationAgent" ?
[18:40] <smarter> nop
[18:41] <Quintasan> I have
[18:41] <a|wen> smarter: try to install policykit-gnome and test again?
[18:41] <a|wen> Quintasan: which file? and try to run a dpkg -S on the file
[18:41] <Quintasan> I meant the output :P
[18:42] <a|wen> Quintasan: you on jaunty?
[18:42] <smarter> a|wen: should be on -kde http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=org.freedesktop.PolicyKit.AuthenticationAgent&mode=filename&suite=jaunty&arch=any
[18:42] <Quintasan> yeah
[18:42] <a|wen> Quintasan: "ls -1 /usr/share/dbus-1/services/* | xargs grep -Hn org.freedesktop.PolicyKit.AuthenticationAgent | cut -d: -f1 | xargs dpkg -S" ?
[18:43] <Quintasan> policykit-kde: /usr/share/dbus-1/services/kde-org.freedesktop.PolicyKit.AuthenticationAgent.service
[18:43] <smarter> oh, I'm using policykit-kde 0.2 from $some-ppa and apparently it doesn't have the services file
[18:43] <a|wen> ahh, then no need to look further i presume :)
[18:43] <smarter> $some-ppa=kubuntu-experimental
[18:43] <smarter> is that an old version?
[18:43] <smarter> or a new and buggy version?
[18:44] <a|wen> smarter: old ... from 2008
[18:44] <smarter> a|wen: we totally need an epoch or something then
[18:44] <Quintasan> 0.0+svn920907-0ubuntu1 in jaunty
[18:46] <a|wen> smarter: sounds like it ... or at least an update of the current package
[18:46] <smarter> doesn't work better
[18:46] <smarter> I get "'Authentification error :  :
[18:46] <smarter> I'll reboot
[18:46] <smarter> but first, dinner :]
[18:46] <a|wen> smarter: probably needed
[19:01]  * nixternal wonders if they will ever update eclipse in ubuntu
[19:02] <nixternal> i can't even get 3.4 to work in jaunty :/
[19:02]  * ScottK hands nixternal a mirror.
[19:03] <nixternal> ya, i don't feel like messing with it because we use gcj and openjdk
[19:03] <nixternal> lord knows when that stuff will ever work
[19:03] <ScottK> Well pretty well everyong feels similar.
[19:03]  * ScottK touched it once in Feisty or Gutsy and never again.
[19:04] <smarter> kpackagekit still doesn't work: http://pastebin.com/m54a6f2f8
[19:04] <nixternal> ya, i touched it once upon a time as well
[19:04] <smarter> (yay for helpful messages :p)
[19:04] <nixternal> i like eclipse because it is the all in one ide
[19:04] <nixternal> i can do python, c++, and whatever else I feel like
[19:05] <nixternal> since I do python most of the time, i want to get to like eric
[19:05] <smarter> and actions on notifications don't work here too
[19:05] <ScottK> smarter: What apps?
[19:05] <nixternal> but that is the most confusing ide i have used...i have yet to get code completion working in it
[19:05] <smarter> ScottK: kopete and kpackagekit
[19:05] <ScottK> Those should work.
[19:06] <Nightrose> smarter: kopete actions are known to be broken upstream
[19:06] <smarter> (I'm on 4.2.1, that might explain it :])
[19:06] <Nightrose> at least according to mattr on identi.ca
[19:06] <smarter> ok
[19:06] <smarter> thanks
[19:06] <a|wen> smarter: you are partly on 4.2.1 i suppose ;)
[19:06] <smarter> yep
[19:07] <a|wen> could explain it ... those half-upgraded states are not always the best
[19:08] <a|wen> smarter: at least it is another error now ;)
[19:08] <smarter> a|wen: yes :p
[19:09] <a|wen> have you tested with LANG=C now?
[19:10] <smarter> software-properties-kde? yes, doesn't work better
[19:10] <smarter> thought I'm not sure if kdesudo takes the LANG=C
[19:11] <smarter> yup, even if I put LANG=C sof... in a script and kdesudo it, it doesn't work
[19:11] <smarter> but that might be related to Qt 4.5 not playing well with PyQt 4.4.4
[19:13] <a|wen> there are pretty many places where it could go wrong ... kind of a complex structure
[19:15] <smarter> yup
[19:15] <smarter> maybe python2.6 is doing something wrong too
[19:18] <a|wen> another possibility
[19:28]  * ScottK notes amarok 2.0.2 tagged.
[19:33] <smarter> oh, shiny
[19:36] <smarter> O_o: http://pastebin.com/mf83010c
[19:38] <a|wen> looks like something that needs a recompile qt4.5 / python2.6
[19:38] <smarter> probably
[21:11] <Quintasan> night guys
[21:14] <hunger> Would have been really nice to mention the known issues of ubuntu alpha5 in the kubuntu release notes, too.
[23:28] <ScottK> All it takes is someone to write them.
[23:28] <ScottK> The Python 2.6 stuff came after anyway.


[00:27] <chrisccoulson> greg-g - i uploaded f-spot to my ppa
[00:46] <greg-g> chrisccoulson: and of course I'm running amd64 :)
[00:47] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i've no idea why thats failed. it builds fine at home, and I'm running it ok
[00:47] <chrisccoulson> i sent an e-mail to lp-users
[00:47] <chrisccoulson> if you download the diff.gz, then you could probably build it locally
[00:47] <greg-g> oh right, of course
[00:47] <greg-g> I'll do that later, working on homework now
[00:48] <chrisccoulson> no problem"!
[00:48] <bdmurray> clearly ;)
[00:48] <chrisccoulson> lol
[00:48] <greg-g> hey now!
[00:48] <greg-g> ;)
[00:52] <chrisccoulson> wow, tracker's memory footprint has grown a bit in intrepid hasn't it?
[00:52] <chrisccoulson> 128.6MB on my machine! i think it must be leaking
[02:03] <mrooney> Is anyone following the fun in bug 276594?
[02:03] <mrooney> other than wgrant of course
[02:03] <Hobbsee> green?
[02:04]  * Hobbsee loads it
[02:05] <mrooney> there is indeed green
[02:05] <mrooney> and purple
[02:05] <mrooney> but moreso it is just a lot of people complaining that they hate the background and wondering where their promised new theme is
[02:05] <Hobbsee> mrooney: can you comment on the bug and say it's being changed, and perhaps change the title too?
[02:07] <mrooney> Hobbsee: sure, so it is being changed? is there any useful link that I might reference
[02:08] <LiquidRain> Hey guys, hope this is the right place. Bit of a wall of text inbound.
[02:08] <LiquidRain>  I'm having vsync issues on movies (gxine, vlc, totem - with X11 or OpenGL output) with a Thinkpad X60s laptop with an Intel 945G regardless of input format.  Anyone have any help available for that? (searched google, forums, wiki, tried editing xorg.conf) I'm at wits end with this. :)
[02:09] <Hobbsee> mrooney: kwwii said yesterday in #ubuntu-devel that it would be.  You could use the logs from that, if you liked.
[02:09] <mrooney> Hobbsee: thanks!
[02:09] <Hobbsee> mrooney: you're welcome!
[02:10] <mrooney> LiquidRain: hmm, I can think of anything I would do other than google "ubuntu vsync", which you surely have done
[02:11] <LiquidRain> yeah I've tried example xorg.confs that others have posted.
[02:19] <LiquidRain> nothing seems to be getting vsync which is terribly frustrating.  I know this is a really bad graphics processor, but.. :/
[02:21] <mrooney> LiquidRain: Have you filed a bug? That might help get the right people to notice
[02:21] <mrooney> also there might be a channel for video type stuff
[02:22] <LiquidRain> I'd like somebody to help me narrow it down before I file a bug. (I dislike filing bugs unless there's a clear cause and test case)
[02:29] <mrooney> LiquidRain: there are many unlike you in that regard :)
[02:29] <mrooney> and we are pretty good at sorting bugs out, but hopefully someone here can point out at least what package it would be
[02:29] <Hobbsee> LiquidRain: so it's only movie players?
[02:30] <Hobbsee> LiquidRain: and does it happen on both the gstreamer engine and the xine engine?
[02:30] <LiquidRain> It's everything, actually.  Gens (Genesis emulator) and Compiz also tear.
[02:30] <Hobbsee> ah
[02:30]  * Hobbsee guesses filing against xorg, then.
[02:31] <Hobbsee> they'll be able to give you a list of what they want - although i think there's a wiki page on taht
[02:33] <LiquidRain> and trying to disable glx to see if I can just get it working with DRI is not working - something is overriding my xorg.conf
[02:36] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure how much xorg.conf gets used anymore :-S
[02:37] <LiquidRain> barely, it seems.  not that I'm complaining about that, as long as I know where else things get configured from.
[02:39] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure.  ask in #ubuntu-x in a few hours - they're the X overlords.
[02:40] <LiquidRain> hmm that'll have to be tomorrow then.  OK.  Thanks.
[02:40] <mrooney> Does anyone know if Compiz 0.7.8 is planned to make it into Intrepid?
[02:40] <Hobbsee> but i would file the bug with the stuff you have so far, so they can use it as a reference point, and mention it when you talk to them.
[02:41] <Hobbsee> mrooney: no idea.  unlikely, i guess, as mvo's on leave.  is there a bug about it?
[02:42] <Hobbsee> ahh, people have already reported the bugs i keep seeing.
[02:43] <Hobbsee> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xine-ui/+bug/231507 is kinda annoying.
[02:44] <mrooney> Hobbsee: not that I know of, just wondering
[02:44] <mrooney> mvo never responds to any of my emails :[
[02:44] <mrooney> well, he did once.
[02:45] <Hobbsee> hmm.  no bug.  wonder if he even knows yet.
[02:46] <mrooney> Hobbsee: well I found out from his blog http://mvogt.wordpress.com/2008/09/24/compizcompiz-fusion-078-availale/ :)
[02:47] <Hobbsee> mrooney: oh :)  i've not looked at planet
[03:46] <mrooney> Hobbsee: is there a better title you would prefer for bug 276594?
[03:46] <mrooney> I've added an explanatory comment and the status seems good, but you mentioned a new title and I am not sure what might be better
[03:55] <Hobbsee> mrooney: not sure.  Something people would actually read.  [In Progress] at the front of it or something.
[04:00] <Hobbsee> mrooney: or say
[04:01] <mrooney> there I updated the title and added an update in the description, that should be good I think!
[04:01] <Hobbsee> mrooney: edited :)
[04:01] <Hobbsee> hm, i think we got it at the same time
[04:02] <Hobbsee> i just thought of saying it was temporary
[04:03] <mrooney> I better not even give it an importance
[04:03]  * Hobbsee shrugs
[04:03] <mrooney> anything short of Critical will cause backlash
[04:03] <Hobbsee> it'd probably get a critical one
[04:03] <mrooney> haha
[04:03] <Hobbsee> that's what i was thinking
[04:03] <Hobbsee> you could mark it low, just to piss people off :P
[04:03] <mrooney> Wishlist :)
[04:03] <mrooney> deferred for Jaunty+1
[04:03] <Hobbsee> that too!
[04:04] <mrooney> WontFix
[04:04] <Hobbsee> haha, yes :)
[04:05] <mrooney> and that's why BugControl requires applications :)
[04:07] <persia> If there's not already, it  may be worth filing a bug against malone : it seems like a UI failure to have to put the bug status duplicate in the title.
[04:09] <mrooney> persia: do you mean it should be more obvious on Launchpad?
[04:14] <persia> mrooney, Indeed : if there's a need to add it to the title, then it ought to be shown differently : as soon as that bug gets closed, the title will be wrong.
[04:15] <mrooney> but someone like myself will change the title
[04:16] <mrooney> persia: I think it is just a tiny case of bugs where you have upset, impatient users who aren't going to read much, and we just want to head it off as much as possible
[04:21] <persia> mrooney, I guess.  Still seems like a UI failure.  Just because most bugs aren't noisy enough that people complain about the UI issue doesn't mean it's not there.
[04:22]  * persia has the same issue with adding [Needs Packaging] to the title, but knows there is a bug filed about having greater visibility of tags, and so is waiting for implementation, rather than complaining about that one.
[04:23] <SteckelBud> Anyone out there having issues with udev on Vmware infrastructure?  Can't call it a "bug" yet, but have issues with udev taking 100% of partition when using a sudo cp command...just curious.
[04:24] <SteckelBud> Running hardy btw
[06:16] <thekorn> hi all,
[06:19] <thekorn> ogasawara, hi, one question about todays hug day (when you are arround again):
[06:20] <thekorn> on the incomplete list there are some bug which have open tasks for linux-source-2.6.*
[06:20] <thekorn> they are not 'incomplete' but 'confirmed'
[06:21] <thekorn> how should we handle this bugs?
[06:21] <thekorn> e.g. bug 71772
[06:22] <thekorn> especially: what to do about this tasks
[08:01] <ogasawara> thekorn: hi, re bug 71772 I'd close the linux-source-2.6.20 task as Won't Fix as it's not SRU worthy.  And even if it were a candidate for SRU it needs to be resolved in the actively developer kernel before a fix can be backported.
[08:02] <ogasawara> thekorn: and since there has been no feedback regarding the actively developed kernel, it's not likely to be resolved for 2.6.20
[08:06] <ogasawara> thekorn: I went ahead and posted a comment and closed the 2.6.20 task
[08:07] <thekorn> ogasawara, ok, super
[08:07] <thekorn> thanks
[08:24] <thekorn> dholbach, hi, when you have a minute, can you please update lp:five-a-day it is on version 0.55 where the package has version 0.56
[08:35] <dholbach> thekorn: sorry, sorry, sorry
[08:35] <dholbach> thekorn: will do in a sec
[08:35] <thekorn> no problemo
[10:54]  * popey hopes that someone else has two batteries on their laptop to confirm bug 279552
[10:54] <popey> or if someone can suggest more detail i could provide for that bug..
[11:11] <persia> popey, Can you get a stacktrace?  crashes are always easier to debug with a stacktrace.
[11:11] <popey> what? strace gnome-power-manager?
[11:12] <james_w> popey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[11:12] <popey> ok, wilco
[11:12] <james_w> using gdb, after installing dbgsym packages
[11:12] <james_w> popey: also "gnome-power-manager --no-daemon --verbose" output would be great
[11:13] <james_w> gnome-power-manager --verbose --no-daemon 2>&1 | tee gpm.debug.log.txt
[11:13] <popey> heh, doing a dist-upgrade, i looked over at my laptop and the icon for gpm has changed
[11:13] <james_w> and attach gpm.debug.log.txt to the bug report
[11:13] <popey> do you want one with it crashing and one without or just a crashy one?
[11:13] <james_w> just a crashy one should be fine
[11:14] <james_w> the stacktrace will perhaps be more useful though, just harder to get
[11:16] <popey> bah, it's not crashing now
[11:16] <popey> hmm, it crashes if i dont specify --no-daemon
[11:16] <popey> ah no, it is the --verbose
[11:17] <james_w> --verbose means that it doesn't crash?
[11:17] <popey> yes
[11:17] <james_w> weird
[11:17] <james_w> have you installed the dbgsym packages?
[11:18] <popey> not yet, doing that next
[11:18] <james_w> thanks
[11:18] <james_w> give me a shout when you've got them, I think you'll need to pass gpm arguments inside gdb to get a helpful trace
[11:18] <popey> ok
[11:20] <james_w> no upstream reports jump out for "two batteries" or "multiple batteries"
[11:21] <popey> amusingly about a year ago i offered hughsie a  laptop with two batteries for just this kind of situation :)
[11:21] <james_w> heh :-)
[11:29] <popey> james_w: the debugsyms for gpm aren't the same version of gpm, does that matter?
[11:30] <popey> gpm is 2.24.0-0ubuntu3, debugsym is 2.22.1-1ubuntu4.1
[11:34] <RAOF> popey: That matters very much; I'm surprised that you can even install that.
[11:37] <popey> RAOF: what makes you think i installed it? :)
[11:38] <popey> I just looked at the versions with apt-cache show, before installing
[11:46] <james_w> popey: did you add the Intrepid ddebs repo?
[11:48] <james_w> I see 2.24.0-0ubuntu3
[11:49] <popey> oops
[11:59] <popey> ok james_w going through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace i get to step 4, and when i do "backtrace full" it says "No stack" is that good or bad?
[12:00] <persia> That's unfortunate, as it means there's nothing available to trace :(
[12:00] <james_w> popey: did you do "gdb gnome-power-manager"
[12:00] <popey> yes
[12:00] <james_w> ok, quit back out, and do that again
[12:00] <popey> with > and tee etc
[12:01] <popey> ok, at (gdb)
[12:01] <james_w> then when you get the prompt do the pagination thing, but before running it, do "set args --no-daemon"
[12:01] <popey> ok
[12:01] <popey> then run?
[12:01] <james_w> yup
[12:01] <james_w> hopefully you'll get a stack this time
[12:02] <popey> yeah, lots of "stuff"
[12:04] <popey> ok, attached it to bug 279552
[12:07] <popey> thanks for the help james_w - it's appreciated, beer++ at the release party :)
[12:07] <james_w> woo! :-)
[12:07] <james_w> I owe you a few, so we may end up quite drunk
[12:08] <popey> i dont see how you could possibly owe me beer! :)
[12:08] <popey> but I accept
[12:08] <popey> :)
[12:09] <james_w> I'm a big fan of the podcast
[12:09] <popey> :)
[12:09] <james_w> and you helped me a lot with screencasts
[12:09] <popey> cool
[12:09] <popey> beer it is then
[12:10] <steve555> Hi everyone!
[12:11] <steve555> I've read in one of my e-mails that #ubuntu-bug is talking about the kernel.
[12:12] <james_w> popey: you think it's becuase you've got two batteries because it only happens on that machine, or because it works if you pull one out?
[12:13] <popey> it works with only one battery
[12:13] <popey> interestingly..
[12:13] <popey> it's specific to one battery
[12:13] <popey> i.e. if i pull out the internal battery and leave the "slice" one attached, it crashes
[12:14] <popey> if i pull out the slice battery and leave the internal one, it doesnt crash
[12:14] <popey> (both batteries are new as of a month or so ago, and both work perfectly as batteries go)
[12:18] <james_w> interesting
[12:18] <james_w> the stacktrace is a bit confusing
[12:18] <james_w> and the fact that --verbose fixes it even more so
[12:19] <james_w> and the code :-)
[12:19] <popey> interestingly if gpm is already running with the ac on, and i yank it, gpm doesnt crash
[12:23] <james_w> the stacktrace suggests that it crashes while adding the "primary" battery
[12:23] <james_w> popey: how familiar are you with hal?
[12:23] <popey> i am aware of it
[12:23] <popey> "familiar" is pushing it
[12:23] <james_w> ah, the wiki page helpfully gives the exact command
[12:24] <james_w> hal-find-by-capability --capability "battery" | xargs -n 1 hal-device
[12:24] <james_w> could you add that to the report please?
[12:24] <popey> added
[12:25] <james_w> thanks
[12:26] <popey> i always thought acpi etc started counting at zero
[12:26] <popey> not one
[12:26] <james_w> yeah
[12:26] <james_w> do you know which is which?
[12:27] <popey> g71c0006k210 is http://www.hexparts.com/Toshiba-Satellite-R20-R25-Portege-M400-M405-Tecra-M7-Series-Expansion-Battery_p_2-259.html
[12:27] <james_w> there's info.product and battery.serial keys
[12:27] <popey> which is the external one
[12:27] <james_w> that's the crashy one?
[12:27] <popey> so BAT1 is internal, BAt2 is extrnal
[12:27] <james_w> cool
[12:28] <popey> wonder if they aren't using bat0 because i have yanked/reinstalled them both over the last hour or so
[12:31] <james_w> --verbose output would be pretty useful, could you try again?
[12:32] <popey> sure, just popping out to lunch
[12:32] <popey> brb
[12:32] <james_w> no problem
[12:43] <popey> nope, --verbose, it runs fine
[12:44] <james_w> damn, could you provide the output please?
[12:44] <popey> it's just two lines
[12:44] <popey> did you want it with --no-daemon too?
[12:45] <james_w> ah, yes please
[12:45] <james_w> killall gnome-power-manager first if you have one running
[12:45] <popey> ok
[12:47] <popey> done
[12:47] <popey> killed it after ~10 seconds
[12:48] <james_w> that should be plenty, thanks
[12:50] <james_w> ** (gnome-power-manager:9532): CRITICAL **: gpm_cell_array_charge_low_cb: assertion `engine != NULL' failed
[12:50] <james_w> that may be relevant
[12:51] <popey> certainly _looks_ interesting :)
[12:53] <james_w> which one is likely to be "percent 3.4"
[12:53] <james_w> i.e. almost discharged
[12:54] <popey> thats the external one
[12:55] <james_w> good
[12:55] <james_w> at least that makes sense
[14:12] <afflux> morning
[14:12] <thekorn> hi afflux
[14:12] <afflux> bdmurray: I just read the mail you sent me. The changes to the script all look good, I'll look at the TODOs now.
[14:13] <afflux> bdmurray: just one thing.. is ~/.lpcookie.txt created by some other tool?
[14:14] <afflux> hi thekorn ;)
[14:19] <afflux> oh my god.
[14:19] <afflux> someone responded to every single mail of a "mass duplicate moving" with "understood"....
[14:19] <Pici> ouch.
[14:43] <hggdh> afflux, a mass 'understood'?
[14:44] <afflux> yup
[14:47] <hggdh> cool
[14:52] <afflux> not really ;)
[14:52] <afflux> bdmurray: you got a new mail ;)
[15:03] <niadh> I've got a bug I marked as lightgreen on the wiki for today
[15:03] <niadh> but not sure if it should be left as is or wont fix
[15:04] <niadh> bug 74179
[15:07] <niadh> in fact, I CAN'T set won't fix
[15:10] <afflux> niadh: do you mean the .22 task?
[15:11] <niadh> For that and another bug, I don't have the privelage to set status to 'wishlist' or 'won't fix'
[15:14] <afflux> niadh: .22 is gutsy, isn't it? IIRC linux-source-2.6.22 is still a valid target
[15:14] <niadh> I'm just following through what the wiki page tells me to mark the bugs as...
[15:14] <afflux> which one?
[15:15] <niadh> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20081007#preview the bug in particular is one of the 200 incomplete bugs
[15:16] <afflux> uh? wontfix for expired bugs?
[15:17] <afflux> hm, I'm not sure whether this is correect or a mistake
[15:18] <joumetal> bug 184547 is fixed in debian :)
[15:25] <niadh> I need a bit of help with this bug 72775, looks fixed, just not sure how to procede with it
[15:28] <thekorn> niadh, let me check the bug
[15:29] <niadh> kk
[15:30] <thekorn> niadh, I would close the  linux (ubuntu)  task as fix relaesed based on the feedback in comment #39
[15:31] <thekorn> and ask to file a new bug if it is still a problem
[15:32] <niadh> fix commited or released?
[15:32] <thekorn> released
[15:34] <niadh> thekorn: Is it just you and me working through those incomplete bugs?
[15:35] <thekorn> niadh, right now, but I think people will start working on this list soonish
[15:36] <niadh> thekorn: fair enough, just didn't appear to be many working on it is all.
[15:37] <niadh> thekorn: What should I set bug status to be if I can't use 'wont fix'?
[15:41] <thekorn> niadh, unfortunatly won't fix is a restricted status,
[15:42] <thekorn> niadh, and in my opionion there is not alternative status for the ones in the "incomplete" list on the hugday wiki page
[15:42] <niadh> Ah, right, there's really not much I can do in the incomplete list then
[15:43] <thekorn> niadh, right, sorry, but maybe working on the other list is intresting too
[15:43] <niadh> Oh it's interesting, but my issue is understanding it all ;)
[15:44] <thekorn> niadh, just aks your questions here
[15:44] <niadh> Same with triaged, right, I can't set that either?
[15:45] <hggdh> niadh, these are restricted status. You need to be a member of bug-control to set them
[15:45] <hggdh> but you can ask here, and we will do it for you
[15:46] <niadh> Right, so that leaves me with Testing bugs I can work on today
[15:46] <hggdh> niadh, if you think a bug deserves to be traiged, just ask
[15:46] <hggdh> s/traiged/triaged/
[15:47] <niadh> hggdh: Be easier if I work on the incomplete bugs, since I have the privs and knowledge to do that ;)
[15:48] <hggdh> niadh, we are glad you are helping out. But... the offer stands ;-)
[15:48] <niadh> hggdh: Well there were a couple of bugs I added the appropriote comments to, but obviously couldn't set the status on
[15:49] <niadh> hggdh: I'll point you at those bugs and you can decided
[15:49] <hggdh> give us the bug numbers. write them as bug xxxxxx or bug #xxxxx
[15:49] <hggdh> and ubottu will happily provide us with a link
[15:50] <joumetal> What is right status to bug 27253? though it is not in list.
[15:50] <hggdh> also -- you *can* promote to 'confirmed'.
[15:50] <joumetal> sorry wrong number
[15:51] <joumetal> bug 272537
[15:52] <niadh> Not sure what to do with this bug, it's part of the testing bugs, that are flagged to be marked as incomplete, but it appears to be complete and fixed.
[15:52] <niadh> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/261376
[15:52] <joumetal> it is probably due to ubuntu kernel configuration change. incomplete is not right anymore.
[15:53] <hggdh> joumetal, I would say confirmed
[15:53] <hggdh> joumetal, wasn't there a package for toshiba laptops?
[15:53] <hggdh> niadh, looking at it
[15:53] <niadh> hggdh: this is one of the bugs I can't change the status of 20977
[15:54] <hggdh> bug 20977
[15:54] <hggdh> niadh, what is the issue with 261376?
[15:55] <niadh> hggdh: It's marked to be flagged as incomplete, but it appears to have been fixed, do I just turn it green on the hug day wiki and leave the bug as is?
[15:55] <hggdh> niadh, yes
[15:55] <niadh> ok
[15:56] <joumetal> hggdh: toshiba-acpi is not compiled as module anymore. replacement is tlsup in ubuntu supplied third party device drivers if I understand correctly.
[15:57] <hggdh> niadh, bug 20977 already has an assignee -- no need to touch it (although the assignee should have changed it to "in progress"
[15:57] <nullack> seb128 Im testing bug 261596 - xchat is working fine now. Ill leave the bug open for the other bloke with the issue but for me its fixed, thanks
[15:57] <hggdh> joumetal, thanks -- I remembered something about it, but not much
[15:57] <niadh> hggdh: I'm leaving 20977 as is, that was just the one I was looking at that I couldn't change the status of.
[15:58] <seb128> nullack: thanks for testing, the enchant bug is closed, you probably still have the dictionnary issue though
[15:59] <nullack> seb128 Anytime mate I like testing :) Also on bug 260765 I understand your position.
[16:00] <nullack> I currently dont know how to compile resindvd but I will learn and test the svn version
[16:00] <nullack> IMHO DVD playback is a core user feature so Ill work on it
[16:01] <nullack> Unless anyone knows of a deb for svn resindvd
[16:01] <seb128> nullack: right, it's not high priority on my list because dvd playing is crappy in gstreamer anyway and most dvd will not play due to dvdcss anyway
[16:01] <nullack> seb128 theres a nice script that brings done the decrypter from medubuntu which solves that for users so resindvd problems is the only real barrier left from having a great experience now
[16:02] <seb128> what is resin?
[16:02] <seb128> there was still dvdmenus code in gstreamer previous time I tried
[16:03] <niadh> I have a duplicate bug, apparently, should I just mark it as invalid?
[16:03] <nullack> seb128 I understand that resindvd is the dvd menu code that is providing the current dvd menu support in gstreamer
[16:03] <seb128> niadh: mark it as duplicate of the other one
[16:04] <seb128> nullack: there is no dvdmenu in gstreamer, or that's very new
[16:04] <niadh> wait, no, it's not a dup
[16:04] <nullack> seb128 Its there, I just tested it :)
[16:04] <seb128> nullack: and if there is one I'm not sure totem is using it
[16:04] <nullack> seb128 Im on a defayult build and it is using it
[16:05] <joumetal> seb128: Does bug 184547 need some more info? It's fixed in Debian.
[16:06] <seb128> joumetal: no, just too much to do, I'll upload the patch to intrepid later
[16:06] <nullack> seb128 I have to go offline but I will continue the tests with DVD menus, theres three bugs Ive found so far. And I'll do a svn compile of resindvd to see how that effects the tests
[16:06] <nullack> Thanks, bbl
[17:12] <niadh> got a bug marked as invalid, what should i do with it?
[17:13] <persia> niadh, Which bug?
[17:13] <niadh> bug 254995
[17:14] <persia> niadh, That's a test bug.  Just ignore it :)
[17:14] <niadh> Am going through the hug day wiki checking off the new bugs to be marked as invalid under Testing bugs, new.
[17:14] <persia> And that came up in the search?  Amusing.  Yeah, that's not a real bug.
[17:27] <MTecknology> Hey, my battery is going to die soon so not much discussion but - Would it be possible to go through all bugs prior to say 8.04 and flag them incomplete, invalid, or fix released? Something? I was just thinking that in almost all cases, the users that reported the bugs in these versions have probably since stopped using these versions and the version they're using has probably solved these issues...
[17:28] <persia> MTecknology, It's a matter of investigating each one.  Personally, I've a few bugs that *still* affect me since warty, and I'd be exceedingly annoyed if someone tried to close them without some attempts at verification and discussion.
[17:29] <MTecknology> what about a pass to ask the reporter and anybody subscribed if it's still an issue?
[17:29] <MTecknology> then a pass w/ my previous though
[17:32] <persia> MTecknology, That's loosely done on an ongoing basis.  The general guideline is to only make noise on a bug once a release unless there is discussion : if it's still present, and unsolved, and verifiable, then it waits.
[17:32] <persia> Linking upstream can be a big help there, especially for the sorts of bugs that remain unsolved for very long periods of time.
[17:32] <MTecknology> It might not be an idea that can work out, but I was looking over some statistics for bugs that are in the wild and when looking at the "ubuntu" bugs it looks like there's a lot out there, but when looking at 8.04 and 8.10 specifically, it's pretty impressive as far as fixed bugs goes
[17:34] <MTecknology> How can I go through and take care of those if I set a large chunk of time aside? Take a 7.04 bug, add it to 8.10 and mark them both incomplete?
[17:35] <MTecknology> and if they sit there for a long time, mark them invalid or fix released?
[17:36] <MTecknology> I wouldn't do anything unless I'm sure I can help, and more than likely not until december
[17:37] <persia> MTecknology, Generally, bugs shouldn't be targetted against specific releases unless either 1) it's part of a release update or security update, 2) it's being considered release critical for a given release, or 3) there's some reason it needs to be fixed in that release as distinct from just being fixed.
[17:37] <MTecknology> persia: I meant the ones that were already targetted at 7.04 and such
[17:38] <persia> For the vast majority of bugs, the correct task state is only that they should be fixed, and they are then fixed at some point, without deep concern for release tracking.  This is even true for the majority of bugs that are specifically opened and closed during a specific development cycle, and known to both affect that cycle and to be closed in that cycle.
[17:39] <persia> No, please don't do that.  If something has open tasks in e.g. 7.10 and 8.04, then it's probably considered a candidate for a stable release update or a security fix, and changing that would be both bad and wrong.
[17:39] <persia> Often these sorts of bugs *are* fixed in newer releases, but they still need to be considered for the older releases, and either fixed or a determination made that they should not be fixed in that release.
[17:43] <MTecknology> persia: I'm lost... I was looking at the stats I was building up.... Why is there 44% of "new bugs here... If you look in all versions, there's no reason for that many
[17:43] <MTecknology> as far as each release goes, most of them are fixed
[17:44] <MTecknology> I looked at things and I realized exactly what you're talking about
[17:44] <persia> MTecknology, Remember, the vast majority of bugs are not tracked against a release.
[17:44] <MTecknology> DOH!
[17:44]  * MTecknology facepalms
[17:45] <MTecknology> thanks for the lesson :)
[17:46] <persia> Generally, release tracking is only used when it's important to distinguish the work done for the same bug in two (or more) separate releases.  While there are exceptions, we don't usually engage in the level of detail of project management that makes it worthwhile to check : if it's October 2008, we're working on 8.10.  If it's November, we're working on 9.04.
[17:46] <persia> The primary exceptions are stable release updates and security updates, which, for perhaps obvious reasons, the usual answer of "have you tried this in the latest release" is not the best way to manage the bug :)
[17:48] <MTecknology> ya, I need to learn about the best way to manage bugs and try to help out. I've tried to help out and been able to close a decent share of bugs, but I'm not doing them the best as I could
[17:54] <MTecknology> battery's about gone - ty for helping me figure out a few things - You helped me notice a lot more than you actually said. ;)
[19:58] <bdmurray> seb128: wrt bug 260765 what should be happening?  Should dvd menus show up or should the main title just start playing?
[19:59] <seb128> totem-gstreamer has no dvdmenu in current stable version, I didn't follow svn work but until now it's supposed to play the movie only
[19:59] <seb128> that might change using the svn version
[19:59] <seb128> not sure what is the issue in intrepid and it's new though
[20:05] <bdmurray> If I right click on a DVD and choose open with movieplayer it starts with the movie only, if I launch totem them try to open the dvd I get an error message about the playlists
[20:06] <seb128> that seems similar to what I recall having when trying on hardy
[20:06] <seb128> there was no error about the playlist but it was starting the movie when the dvd is detected and the menu item was not working correctly
[20:07] <seb128> basically dvd playing is something which doesn't work correctly in totem gstreamer
[20:31] <Yoghurt> Hey people... What does it mean if a bug is Triaged?
[20:32] <bdmurray> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status has the answer
[20:34] <Yoghurt> But if i have the same problems with the same drivers etc. is that enough to set the status to Confirmed?
[20:34] <bdmurray> Yoghurt: yes, it probably is
[20:34] <Yoghurt> Oh.... great...another Dane
[20:35] <Yoghurt> okay, thank you bdmurray
[20:43] <greg-g> Yoghurt: but if it is already set to Triaged then you dont' want to set it to confirmed.  Just making sure; I may have misunderstood you.
[20:44] <Yoghurt> oooh.... maybe I have misunderstood something..
[20:44] <greg-g> what is the bug number?
[20:46] <Yoghurt> greg-g: 248881
[20:47] <greg-g> bug 248881
[20:47] <greg-g> yeah, it is alredy set to Triaged, so you don't want to set it to Confirmed
[20:48] <Yoghurt> okay.... thanks :)
[20:48] <greg-g> Confirmed _merely_ means that you can reproduced.
[20:49] <greg-g> Triaged is there is information to start working on a fix for it, ie: a better state for the bug to be in :)
[20:49] <greg-g> Yoghurt: you are very welcome, thanks for being involved
[22:02] <chrisccoulson> whilst everyone here is busy triaging kernel bugs, i have a question.
[22:03] <chrisccoulson> i've come across a report from a user who's keyboard and mouse doesn't work in Xorg.
[22:03] <chrisccoulson> It turns out that ehy have no /dev/input/event* device nodes
[22:03] <chrisccoulson> so you think that is a kernel bug?
[22:03] <chrisccoulson> do you think, even ***
[22:20] <tobi_> should bugs that concern components that have their very own bug tracker be file in both with linking each other, or should they be file in the upstream tracker only?
[22:31] <RAOF> tobi_: First in the Ubuntu tracker.  If you're sure it's an upstream problem, also file an upstream bug and link it.
[22:32] <tobi_> ok thank you


[06:02] <Meshezabeel> what if I grab it when it's not hot?
[07:13] <Sleepy_Coder> Odd, are there no developers for edubuntu? :p  The devel channel is empty. 0.o
[07:14] <Sleepy_Coder> I'm not a developer, but I just found that surprising...
[07:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> they hang here
[07:36] <BillTheFish> Hi, i'm having some trouble with my mouse.. at the moment my spare pc is running off the latest edubuntu cd.. any thoughts as to how to get it working?


[06:27] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[06:29] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[06:30] <brobostigon> o/
[07:20] <SuperMatt> morning
[07:21] <brobostigon> morning
[07:43] <knightwise> Good morning everyone :)
[08:21] <knightwise> So my dual screen setup is working awesome :)
[08:21] <knightwise> Vm in one window fullscreen , native int he other
[08:36] <diplo> Morning all
[08:37] <knightwise> hey diplo
[08:41] <diplo> How are things knightwise ?
[08:44] <knightwise> Doing ok . Not enough time to geek out but what else is new
[08:44] <knightwise> at least with the bigger house i have some more room to set stuff up
[09:03] <diplo> hah sounds good, I have no time to do anything at home now a days
[12:49] <diddledan> wow. the 18.04 file manager has had a facelift
[12:49] <diddledan> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/1iqWjtLO/
[13:26] <diddledan> Whoever is managing the community fund I'll take two, please :-p : https://www.ebuyer.com/756117-acer-rt280k-28-4k-ultra-hd-led-monitor-um-pr0ee-001
[13:41] <diplo> I asked my boss for those :/
[14:18] <diddledan> 8-bit guy's review of the c64 mini": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXXCj5kqPcM
[16:08] <daftykins> just got my 4 x AAA pack of panasonic eneloop rechargeables :O! pesky amazon FireTV remote is quite the juice craver
[16:11] <daftykins> diddledan: i want to break his ancient Apple wifi access point :P
[17:28] <daftykins> interesting piece on radio 2 about how many cyclists fall foul of pothole ridden roads up there, sheesh - some nasty accidents
[17:32]  * zmoylan-pi remebers riding in the 90s. hitting potholes and landing on the pavement... :-)
[17:46] <daftykins> oof
[17:46] <zmoylan-pi> well my other choice was under a land rover... you could see the bind i was in... :-)
[17:47] <daftykins> indeed! was it a road bike?
[17:47] <zmoylan-pi> mountain bike-ish... basically a road frame with mountain bike fork and wheels
[17:48] <daftykins> ah so not skinny tires?
[18:23] <zmoylan-pi> nah, big thick tyres.  i chose the bike for that reason for extra grip on bad surfaces
[18:26] <daftykins> :D
[20:03] <diddledan> who are you saying has a thick tyre?!
[20:03] <diddledan> I resemble that remark!
[20:04]  * diddledan looks at his belly and pouts
[20:07]  * zmoylan-pi passes the rice cakes... mmmmm, cardboardy....
[20:08] <diddledan> I bought a poshy sainsbury's chocolate cake this week. and it's not my birthday!
[20:10] <zmoylan-pi> hopefully you paid cash.... or big data will tell the insurance company and bump your rates...
[21:45] <daftykins> diddledan: ooh you devil
[22:11] <zmoylan-pi> only if he sat outside weight watchers window and ate it by himself...