[00:03] <hydro> omg you guys! if anybody is still in here who helped me before, lubuntu now works for me!
[00:04] <hydro> the problem turned out to be the beta install disc i had
[00:04] <Fleck> :)
[00:05] <hydro> actually i'm not sure the initial setup is a bit goofy
[00:08] <KM0201> weren't you having a wireless problem or something?
[00:09] <hydro> yes i was
[00:10] <KM0201> ... somehow i doubt that was a problem w/ the beta disk, but i'm glad you got it resolved
[00:10] <KM0201> whats your wireless device on that machine?
[00:10] <hydro> let me explain.. when i actually went to install from that disc i got errors and my computer would crash
[00:10] <KM0201> well thats not really indicative of a wireless problem
[00:10] <hydro> so i burned a new disc and this one can see wireless networks in the beggining
[00:11] <hydro> but i won't know for sure until its done installing,
[00:24] <hydro> okay now how can i get to that grub menu where i can select to start lubuntu?
[00:24] <hydro> when it dual?
[00:27] <hydro> in the past it has just been automatic
[00:28] <KM0201> hydro: it should come up automatically
[00:28] <KM0201> only time grub is "hidden" by default, is when Lubuntu(or ubuntu) is the only OS on the machine
[00:31] <hydro> well thats weird did it not properly install?
[00:33] <KM0201> is it the only OS on the machine?
[00:37] <hydro> kM0201 no its not
[00:38] <hydro> but i think i'm gonna reinstall it as the only one, since the wireless works perfect in the test version
[00:38] <KM0201> hydro: well... i'd hold off.. are you sure Windows is still on that machine, and you didn't accidentally overwrite it?... because if it detected Windows, grub should show by default.
[00:40] <KM0201> hydro: it's always good to keep windows around "just in case"... you never know if you may have to have windows someday
[00:40] <KM0201> i have a win 7 partition (granted, I haven't booted it in about 2mo.)
[00:45] <hydro> it automatically boots into windows without any grub
[00:46] <hydro> i have a back up disc for my computer if for some reason it ever comes to that
[00:46] <KM0201> so.. you're not getting into your Lubuntu install, right hydro ?
[00:47] <hydro> right
[00:47] <KM0201> im guessing grub did not get installed properly
[00:47] <hydro> it acted totally wacky during install
[00:47] <hydro> so how would i fix it? try installing it again?
[00:47] <KM0201> what do you mean "totally whacky"
[00:48] <KM0201> and if it's "totally whacky" why on earth would you wanna nuke windows and go just w/ Lubuntu
[00:49] <hydro> lol, well the "try lubuntu" option works well and i've used lubuntu most of my life until i got this new computer a few months ago
[00:50] <KM0201> hydro: dunno, something went weird
[00:50] <hydro> and by totally whacky, i mean like it asks which wireless network i want to connect to after it already gave a check box on whether i wanted to install updates during installation, if i drag a window it leaves a trail behind it
[00:50] <hydro> but i just figured some graphics driver wasn't right or something
[00:52] <KM0201> hmm
[00:52] <KM0201> that is odd
[00:52] <MrChrisDruif> What is?
[00:52] <KM0201> hydro: explain your prob to MrChrisDruif
[00:52] <hydro> im gonna try reinstalling it
[00:53] <hydro> oh i installed lubuntu side by side with windows but when i rebooted it just boots straight into windows
[00:53] <hydro> no grub or anything
[00:55] <MrChrisDruif> You installed Lubuntu after Windows?
[00:55] <hydro> yes
[02:27] <Duke> for a reason, i like lubuntu more than ubuntu :) from the first second :)
[02:33] <CTtechguy> anyone have any issues with the Task Bar when upgrading to 12.04?
[02:51] <khmerog> hi
[02:51] <khmerog> is there custom mods for lubuntu? i want to "spice" up the way lubuntu looks
[03:56] <james> guys..right now i am installing lubuntu..i need help with partitioning..
[03:56] <Guest71841> installer crashes after i select location
[03:57] <Guest71841> which filesystem do i select so it doesnt crash?
[03:58] <Guest71841> i had 4 partitions in window xp
[03:58] <Guest71841> i formatted xp partition and selected ext 4
[03:59] <IAmNotThatGuy> Guest13335, any one primary partition
[03:59] <Guest71841> after that installer crashes
[04:00] <IAmNotThatGuy> is there any error popping up or is it simpling hanging up?
[04:00] <Guest71841> ok right now i am on partition screen
[04:00] <Guest71841> here i have 5 disks..
[04:00] <Guest71841> 3 of them are ntfs and have my data
[04:00] <Guest71841> 4th is 1gb swap
[04:01] <Guest71841> and 5th is ext4
[04:01] <IAmNotThatGuy> which partition did you try to install Ubuntu /dev/sda ? what number?
[04:01] <Guest71841> sda 8
[04:02] <Guest71841> i have sda 1 5 6 and 7
[04:02] <Guest71841> 5 6 7 have my data
[04:02] <Guest71841> sda 8 is free i had windows on it
[04:02] <Guest71841> sda 1 is swap
[04:03] <Guest71841> what mount point do i select for sda 8
[04:03] <Guest71841> um did i said something stupid?
[04:04] <KM0201> dang
[04:04] <Guest71841> ?
[04:05] <Guest71841> what do i select for boot loader installation?
[04:05] <IAmNotThatGuy> Guest13335, I believe sda1 should be install partition and sda8 should be the swap space
[04:05] <Guest71841> but sda 1 is only 1 gb man
[04:05] <IAmNotThatGuy> I am not sure whether sda8 is a primary partition
[04:06] <Guest71841> k wait..
[04:06] <Guest71841> now i deleted both..
[04:06] <Guest71841> now i have sda 5 6 7 which have my personal data..
[04:06] <IAmNotThatGuy> right click unallocated space and create a primary partition
[04:07] <Guest71841> and rest is free space
[04:08] <Guest71841> k i select primary..what do i select in mount point
[04:08] <IAmNotThatGuy> give /
[04:09] <Guest71841> k now i have sda 1 ext4 19.9 gb
[04:09] <IAmNotThatGuy> That's cool
[04:09] <Guest71841> what about swapspace
[04:09] <IAmNotThatGuy> now try creating the swap and proceed
[04:09] <Guest71841> i want to create swap by cutting some part of sda 1
[04:10] <Guest71841> oo k i get it now
[04:11] <IAmNotThatGuy> awww. delete the partition again, select a partition of size 189999 or something instead of 200000 or something as the primary partition, set the mount point as /
[04:11] <Guest71841> swap area should be primary or logical?
[04:12] <Guest71841> lol i bet some people here are like :facepalm:
[04:12] <IAmNotThatGuy> first create the main partition with mount pooint /
[04:12] <IAmNotThatGuy> once it is done, create the other one as logical
[04:12] <IAmNotThatGuy> Guest13335, We have no problem with the beginners :]
[04:14] <Guest71841> k its done.. 18 gb is sda 1.. 1.9 gb is sda 8 swap  and rest are sda 5 6 7
[04:14] <IAmNotThatGuy> cool. now click next
[04:14] <Guest71841> do i need to make changes in drop down menu?
[04:15] <Guest71841> device for bootloader installation?
[04:15] <Guest71841> currenty set to whole drive
[04:17] <IAmNotThatGuy> it is set as sda right?
[04:17] <IAmNotThatGuy> leave it as it is
[04:17] <Guest71841> yes i did
[04:17] <Guest71841> it is now on location screen
[04:17] <IAmNotThatGuy> nice
[04:18] <IAmNotThatGuy> Guest13335, So now, it  is not crashing right?
[04:18] <IAmNotThatGuy> if so, I have to leave my machine for a few mins. I just now woke up ;D
[04:19] <IAmNotThatGuy> oh it crashes only after this screen? >.<
[04:23] <Guest71841> it crashed
[04:23] <Guest71841> why is it doing this
[04:24] <IAmNotThatGuy> are you getting an error screen?
[04:24] <IAmNotThatGuy> you didn't answer that question of mine :|
[04:27] <Guest71841> yes it was set to sda..
[04:27] <Guest71841> yes only crashes after this screen
[04:29] <yell0w> how can i add context menu for creating libreoffice documents within pcmanfm ?
[04:35] <mi3> hello
[04:35] <IAmNotThatGuy> Guest13335, are you getting any error pop-ups?
[04:43] <IAmNotThatGuy> hey mi3
[04:44] <IAmNotThatGuy> yell0w, Not sure about that :[ sowwie
[04:44] <mi3> IAmNotThatGuy, can I install lxde directly in an ubuntu system? I dont want to download the iso again
[04:44] <IAmNotThatGuy> mi3, yes you can. I have done that :]
[04:45] <mi3> can you suggest how?
[04:45] <IAmNotThatGuy> or you can also remove all other DE and have lxde
[04:45] <IAmNotThatGuy> !purelxde | mi3
[04:45] <IAmNotThatGuy> !lxde
[04:47] <mi3> IAmNotThatGuy, I am currently using mate DE, is it still applicable ??
[04:47] <mi3> IAmNotThatGuy, I want to keep mate, remove unity, and install lxde
[04:50] <IAmNotThatGuy> Let unity also be there and just install lxde :)
[04:50] <yell0w> mi3: i think the commands on that page might remove some dependencies of mate
[04:50] <yell0w> in which case just reinstall :P
[04:50] <mi3> I want to keep mate and install lxde, any suggestions yell0w ??
[04:50] <IAmNotThatGuy> mi3, do not run them. Just install lxde
[04:50] <mi3> err ok
[04:54] <yell0w> is pcmanfm-mod the new pcmanfm ?
[04:57] <Unit193> No, someones modified version.
[04:58] <yell0w> hmm
[04:58] <yell0w> is there a wiki/guide/something on context menu for pcmanfm ?
[04:59] <Unit193> There's the manpage.
[04:59] <yell0w> erhm i read that
[05:00] <yell0w> doesn't really have a whole lot in it
[05:01] <Unit193> http://wiki.lxde.org/en/PCManFM  doesn't have a ton.
[05:02] <yell0w> lol
[05:12] <rolandb> test
[05:12] <half-duplex> your working
[05:13] <KM0201> half-duplex: i think he's a troll, cuz he keeps doing that in #ubuntu as well.
[05:14] <mi3> whose the troll?
[05:16] <rolandb> everytime i try to extract from an archoive to mu home directory lubuntu totally hangs... any ideas? lu 11
[05:16] <rolandb> (home is encrypted)
[05:19] <rolandb> "you dont have permissions" dialogue and hangs...
[05:19] <Unit193> Either open the archive program from the terminal to see additional output, or use the terminal equiv to extract.
[05:54] <rebecca> hey
[05:54] <rebecca> lubu
[05:54] <rebecca> lubuntu rocks but i have found a slight problem
[05:55] <rebecca> the font config doesn't seem to apply to all apps. such as inkscape
[05:55] <rebecca> anyone know of a method config these gui fonts?
[05:57] <KM0201> don't use inkscape, so no ide
[05:57] <KM0201> i never really had a font problem
[05:58] <rebecca> not just inkscape. xchat also. many apps. the Open Box Config manager doesn't seem to apply to a whole bunch of apps
[06:18] <Celltech> Sound mixer? What's a good one that can do all sound properties?
[06:19] <KM0201> hmm, i always install pulseaudio and use pavucontrol (my mic won't work w/ alsa for some reason, no matter what i do)
[06:19] <Celltech> I like pulse actually thank you
[06:19] <KM0201> so there you go.. sudo apt-get install pulseaudio pavucontrol
[06:20] <Celltech> Thank you much
[06:59] <user123420d3> I seem to have a problem with Abiword in Lunbuntu 12.04.
[06:59] <KM0201> and that is?
[06:59] <user123420d3> The document is surrounded by a black border and it's slow and flicking.
[06:59] <user123420d3> screenshot:  http://imagebin.org/210444
[07:00] <user123420d3> I've never seen the black border before in any other versions of abiword.
[07:02] <user123420d3> Abiword is usually lighting fast, but this version is horribly slow and laggy.
[07:02] <user123420d3> version 2.9.2
[07:02] <dove_g> i will try :)
[07:03] <KM0201> user123420d3: i had a similar issue with abiword.. i fixed it by nuking abiword and installing libreoffice (which is pretty fast)
[07:03] <user123420d3> KM0201..yeah i'm thinking about doing that.
[07:03] <dove_g> abiword crashed :)
[07:03] <KM0201> lol
[07:03] <dove_g> create two pages, can't click on open
[07:03] <dove_g> then creashed
[07:05] <dove_g> this is my first time i use lubuntu
[07:05] <KM0201> i think the current version has some "issues"
[07:05] <dove_g> anyway, in two days I have seen more crash reports in Lubuntu than in Linux (Ubuntu) using in 2 years
[07:05] <bioterror> wonder why I always install libreoffice...
[07:06] <dove_g> i believe that is problem of new 12.04, i think it will be fixed in 2-3 months
[07:06] <bioterror> well
[07:06] <bioterror> if you can make things to crash
[07:06] <bioterror> then you have to report bugs of them
[07:06] <bioterror> if you can duplicate it
[07:06] <bioterror> !backtrace
[07:08] <dove_g> bioterro, i'm kinda lazy to report bug
[07:08] <dove_g> the reason is that i have report maybe 3-4 times bugs and never problem was solved in 6-12 months
[07:08] <bioterror> then things wont get any better
[07:08] <dove_g> only one problem was solved is bug reported to libre office
[07:08] <bioterror> your bugs are too trivial :D
[07:08] <KM0201> lol
[07:09] <dove_g> yep, always blame the user ;)
[07:13] <dove_g> btw, becauise i'm new on lubuntu, I will report bugs again ;)
[07:16] <user123420d3> libreoffice-writer seems to be working fine.
[07:17] <bioterror> dove_g, good!
[07:17] <bioterror> one for all, and all for one
[07:17] <bioterror> that's how this community works
[07:23] <dove_g> yep, i'm understand
[07:36] <dove_g> now i found new bug in pcmanfm
[07:36] <dove_g> where to report it?
[07:37] <bioterror> !launchpad
[07:37] <dove_g> ok tnx
[07:45] <smile> hi :)
[09:21] <ChesterX> good morning everyone, is there already a way to install ppstream so it runs stable under 12.04?
[09:50] <theluckymike> any ideas why lubuntu see my proc as 800mhz if I got 1,6mhz? AMD Athlon  XP 3000+ ?
[09:50] <theluckymike> 1,6ghz
[09:51] <mi3> hello
[09:52] <mi3> I have installed lxde on ubuntu 12.04 32 bit, and after logging into lxde, when I try to run conky, it wont show up on the screen, any suggestions?
[10:08] <mi3> I have installed lxde on ubuntu 12.04 32 bit, and after logging into lxde, when I try to run conky, it wont show up on the screen, any suggestions?
[10:11] <mi3> I have installed lxde on ubuntu 12.04 32 bit, and after logging into lxde, when I try to run conky, it wont show up on the screen, any suggestions?
[10:46] <Fleck> theluckymike because uf CPU FREQ scaling! :)
[10:46] <Fleck> *of
[11:05] <theluckymike> Fleck, yea, I already found it out
[11:05] <theluckymike> thx
[11:11] <theluckymike> .[»
[11:25] <yell0w> how can i add context menu for creating libreoffice documents within pcmanfm ?
[11:26] <mi3> hello
[11:27] <mi3> how can I move the minimize, maximize, close buttons from right side to left side?
[11:28] <kanliot> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1540115
[11:30] <mi3> kanliot, I modified the file, but I dont see any changes
[11:31] <kanliot> type openbox --reconfigure
[11:31] <mi3> where
[11:31] <mi3> ??
[11:32] <kanliot> ok
[11:32] <kanliot> open terminal
[11:32] <kanliot> k?
[11:32] <mi3> kanliot, oops, it seems I got it wrong
[11:32] <kanliot> hi mi3
[11:33] <mi3> hi kanliot
[11:33] <kanliot> run conky from command line
[11:33] <mi3> kanliot, oops, it seems I got it wrong
[11:33] <kanliot> and see
[11:33] <mi3> conky is running fine!
[11:33] <kanliot> ah ok
[11:33] <kanliot> what was the problem?
[11:34] <mi3> I have 4 dots instead of 3 and that too on the left side
[11:34] <kanliot> using obconf?
[11:34] <kanliot> i have no idea what you're doing
[11:35] <mi3> I edited the openbox-rc.xml file as said in the tutorial link you provided me
[11:36] <kanliot> k
[11:38] <mi3> wait, I am getting it!
[11:38] <kanliot> ya
[11:38] <opmo> hi           shutting down lubuntu 11.10 he can not kill all processes "fail"  if I do      sudo service network-manager stop     before shut down all works fine  how can i change that?
[11:39] <mi3> opmo, please use pastebin.com for all those outputs, ok'
[11:40] <mi3> kanliot, i finally got it!
[11:40] <mi3> yayyy!
[11:41] <kanliot> actually i'd love to get double clicking on the left taskbar icon to close the window
[11:41] <opmo> mi13        cannot copy paste shutdownmassages
[11:41] <kanliot> but i've given up
[11:41] <mi3> ohh double clicking? sounds nice
[11:42] <opmo> the problem seems to be that network-manager keeps running while shutting down
[11:42] <kanliot> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=993920 like this opmo?
[11:43] <kanliot> or this
[11:43] <kanliot> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1923048
[11:43] <kanliot> nobody seems to have solutions :(
[11:43] <mi3> kanliot, the printscreen does not show me the screenshot dialog, like it used to show in unity, any suggestions on that?
[11:44] <kanliot> it works
[11:44] <kanliot> just check your home dir
[11:45] <kanliot> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=135854  this guy actually solved the shutdown problem
[11:45] <kanliot> he had to mess with his drivers
[11:45] <kanliot> what if you just used hibernate?
[11:45] <mi3> kanliot, wow, it does that automatically, it should prompt, right?
[11:45] <opmo> ok thx
[11:46] <opmo> another thing while shutting down:
[11:46] <kanliot> lubuntu uses scrot
[11:46] <kanliot> for screenshots
[11:46] <mi3> ok
[11:46] <kanliot> actually we are discussing new featurees for 12.10, you might bring it up
[11:46] <mi3> ok
[11:46] <mi3> when?
[11:47] <opmo> i have the whole system encrypted while shutdown he says at the end:    early crypto failed
[11:47] <kanliot> no idea opmo
[11:48] <mi3> thank you, kanliot !
[11:48] <kanliot> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1967471
[11:48] <kanliot> thats 4 u mi3
[11:57] <mi3> what is the shortcut for switching workspaces?
[11:57] <yell0w> ctrl-alt-up/down/right/left
[11:58] <bioterror> alt + shift moves application ;)
[11:58] <mi3> thanks!
[11:58] <bioterror> or window
[11:58] <mi3> thank you!
[12:00] <mi3> I need some suggestions with cairo-dock, when I maximize an application, for example the firefox browser, it takes my entire screen, but when I hover my mouse on the bottom of the screen, it should show me the cairo-dock, but it does not.
[12:00] <bioterror> we dont care about cairo dock
[12:01] <yell0w> lol
[12:01] <mi3> hm, you only care about bio terror or whatever hehe
[12:01] <bioterror> cairo dock is cairo dock
[12:01] <bioterror> last time I checked, it did not come with the installation media
[12:02] <bioterror> it's your choise to use something like these wannabe os x thing-a-lingies
[12:32] <spriizha`> I tried to hibernate my laptop, it didn't turn off, so I powered it off and after booting it in it frozes here: [	8.980960] pcmcia_socket pcmcia_socket1: cs: IO port probe 0x3000-0x7ffff: excluding 0x3000-ox30ff 0x3400-0x34ff 0x380-0x38ff 0x3c00-0x3cff . any ideas? ;/
[12:36] <phillw> hi spriizha` hibernation was disabled by default in 12.04 - how did you turn it back on?
[12:37] <spriizha`> phillw I turnd it off by turning 7sec power button
[12:37] <spriizha`> and I installed lubuntu 12.04 and there is hybernate option
[12:37] <spriizha`> just wanted to test it out :D
[12:37] <phillw> I mean, how did you re-enable hibernation?
[12:37] <spriizha`> it just was there - under power options
[12:38] <phillw> spriizha`: hmmm, it should not have been :/
[12:38] <spriizha`> I would make a screenshot if I could boot in :D
[12:39] <spriizha`> but this error - I got it all the time when I tried to install lubuntu or xubuntu with windows desktop installer. All the time copying was fine, setup was fine but after reboot I had this kind error, so I dl normal cd and installed, but now again same thing ;/
[12:40] <KM0201> spriizha`: what is the error?
[12:40] <KM0201> do you even know "generally" what it says.
[12:40] <spriizha`> it's kinda not error, it just stops here when booting in - [	8.980960] pcmcia_socket pcmcia_socket1: cs: IO port probe 0x3000-0x7ffff: excluding 0x3000-ox30ff 0x3400-0x34ff 0x380-0x38ff 0x3c00-0x3cff
[12:41] <KM0201> thats pretty cryptic
[12:41] <spriizha`> o.O
[12:43] <spriizha`> what should I do to understand the problem?
[12:45] <phillw> spriizha`: let me see if anyone is about on -release or -devel, it may make some sense to them... I mat be a while, please bear with me.
[12:45] <phillw> s/mat/may
[12:46] <spriizha`> of curse, thx
[12:48] <phillw> spriizha`: while we wait, can you just run the self-test on the installation CD to ensure it has not a file corruption in it, please.
[12:48] <spriizha`> ]I have to boot in it to do that, right?
[12:49] <phillw> yeah, it's an option on booting from the liveCD
[12:49] <phillw> I know that will be the 1st thing they ask that I check out :)
[12:49] <spriizha`> sure, il be back when done
[12:50] <phillw> kk
[12:52] <Hokar123> is the a command that deletes all old kernel and header files?
[12:52] <Hokar123> there
[12:56] <phillw> Hokar123: I'm sure there is on the FAQ area, but I cannot access FAQ from India atm :/
[12:56] <phillw> Certainly removing old kernels is on our wiki area
[13:00] <theluckymike> this is wierd
[13:01] <phillw> Hokar123: one area I can access is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1587462
[13:01] <Hokar123> http://tinyurl.com/hokar312 solved it for me :)
[13:01] <theluckymike> phillw, disc was ok, after rebooting I forgot to choose windows and now im back to lubuntu, but I had an error - missing bytes - broken pipes or smth
[13:01] <phillw> have a read there, drs305 is a fine fellow & his instructions are 100% trustworthy.
[13:03] <Gontxalu1> Hello, has a very happy worker day to everyone.   I'm having a problem with lxde, a can not change my keyboard from qwerty in spanish to dvorak in spnish. Can someone help me? the app doesnt work...
[13:03] <phillw> most odd. The only other thing that springs to mind is to beg / steal / borrow a cd lens cleaner CD to make sure the little led-laser has no muck built up on it.
[13:05] <phillw> I got mine from one of those 'pound shops' in the UK - I guess they are similarly priced as 1 GBP around the world.
[13:07] <Hokar123> lubuntu cd or windows?
[13:08] <razvan986> hy there
[13:12] <theluckymike> phillw, is there any boot log, so I can see why it stopped booting first 3 times?
[13:12] <phillw> have a look in /var/log
[13:13] <ChesterX> where can I manage the keyboards shortcuts in LUbuntu? (minimize windows, switch desktops, etc...)
[13:13] <phillw> I'm not on a *buntu install, so cannot recall if the there is a boot log
[13:13] <phillw> ChesterX: it's covered in key bindings on the FAQ
[13:13] <Unit193> ChesterX: ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xmp
[13:13] <Unit193> s/p/l/
[13:14] <ChesterX> thanks :-)
[13:34] <viejotren> hi, I'm trying to do a fresh install lubuntu 11.10, I used unetbootin to put it on my usb, after load the kernel and the init file I got an error: target filesystem doesn't have requested /sbin/init. No init found. try passing init=bootarg
[13:34] <viejotren> so, my first question: what params should I pass?
[13:34] <viejotren> second: this error could be related to some usb read error? i've already test the iso from a virtual machine and it works
[13:35] <viejotren> so suggestions are welcome
[13:36] <phillw> viejotren: use the self-test option when you boot from usb, it will let you know if it is un-happy.
[13:45] <mi3> can someone kindly suggest an alternative to nautilus actions for lubuntu users?
[13:47] <Unit193> pcmanfm is the file manager, and has it under Tools.
[13:50] <mi3> Unit193, I only have 2 options, Open in terminal, and Open as root
[13:50] <Unit193> Yep, sadly you can't add more either, that I know of anyway.
[14:33] <eross> is lubuntu 12.04 LTS too?
[14:34] <Unit193> Note in the same sense.
[14:34] <Unit193> The core is the same so that is, but the L part, LXDE isn't.
[14:50] <Scott__> Hello all. Have a situation where a user account was deleted and recreated successfully but will fail on a login. Any ideas? Thanks.
[15:03] <Listener> Is there a good guide to getting audio working on lubuntu?
[15:05] <phillw> Listener: head over to http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=334 that hosts some excellent resources in the stickies at the top.
[15:09] <Listener> phillw, thnx
[15:13] <tisqueldotim> Hi there .. We need a doctumentor , right ??? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/Getting%20Started%20with%20Lubuntu%2010.04%20-%20Second%20Edition.pdf
[15:13] <tisqueldotim> Well, here I am ::: and where do I start ??
[15:14] <Scott__> Usually I start with hello and asking a question.
[15:14] <yell0w> lol
[15:15] <Scott__> Ooops. I now see your question probably refers to the doc... reference
[15:17] <phillw> tisqueldotim: that link is for 10.04, I'm not sure what happened after the 2nd edition of it. All seemed to go quiet.
[15:19] <phillw> tisqueldotim: lubuntu does have a wiki / docs team who can be found via https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved
[16:02] <toscho> hi
[16:03] <bioterror> evening
[16:03] <toscho> i upgraded to 12.04, but my funny mouse pointer changed to the boring standard one. using openbox configuration manager, i can only set it for some windows. not even main screen
[16:04] <CTtechguy> anyone have any issues with the Task Bar when upgrading to 12.04?
[16:06] <bioterror> toscho, lxappearance
[16:13] <toscho> doesn't help either
[16:13] <bioterror> toscho, why not?
[16:13] <toscho> even lxappearance itself doesn't show the funny mouse pointer
[16:13] <bioterror> lxappearance has settings for the mouse
[16:14] <bioterror> is your funny mouse pointer in a correct place then?
[16:14] <toscho> but changing it and clicking on apply only changes for some windows
[16:15] <toscho> i don't know. it's comix cursor original orange regular slim which comes along lubuntu
[16:29] <notjoe> I have an issue. I installed the nvidia drivers which seems to have caused an issue. my screen is 1920x1080p and looking at the desktop it looks right. However, when I click on the start menu or launch a program everything looks huge
[16:32] <KM0201> why does lubuntu software center only show "installed" software, instead of available software?
[16:33] <Unit193> It also should show "installable" too.
[16:33] <KM0201> hmm
[16:50] <bioterror> notjoe, png or we will not believe you
[16:50] <notjoe> sure, hold on a sec
[16:52] <notjoe> whats the app to capture the screen with printscreen?
[16:53] <bioterror> well
[16:53] <bioterror> let's do it like
[16:53] <bioterror> you press alt+f2
[16:54] <bioterror> you type: scrot -d 5 shot.png
[16:54] <bioterror> and during that time, you press menu -button
[16:54] <bioterror> and you keep it open
[16:54] <bioterror> -d5 means that it's 5 second delay
[16:55] <bioterror> and the screenshot will appear into ~/
[16:56] <notjoe> k, its coming up, one sec
[16:58] <notjoe> http://i50.tinypic.com/8xpzxx.png
[16:59] <bioterror> damn that's huge :D
[16:59] <bioterror> hahaha
[16:59] <notjoe> everything looks 640x480 but nvidia settings/etc reports 1920x1080p
[16:59] <notjoe> it wouldk be great is i was blind!
[16:59] <notjoe> if*
[16:59] <bioterror> okay
[16:59] <bioterror> you need to tweak things
[17:00] <bioterror> change size of font and size of titlebars
[17:00] <bioterror> I guess that could do the trick
[17:00] <bioterror> ass all the icons are small
[17:00] <bioterror> but text is huge
[17:01] <bioterror> -s
[17:01] <notjoe> i don't see anything which would let me do that
[17:01] <bioterror> lxappearance
[17:01] <bioterror> and obconf
[17:01] <notjoe> customize look and feel app doesn't have anything
[17:01] <bioterror> those are your tools
[17:02] <notjoe> font size for stuff in obconf is 11
[17:04] <notjoe> i dont see anything which would cause everything to be huge.   Lost Cause Department?
[17:06] <Unit193> Well, others don't think so as they do it.
[17:07] <Unit193> There is a PPC build and everything too.
[17:09] <craigbass1976> Where's the ppc build?
[17:09] <Unit193> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/precise/release/
[17:11] <craigbass1976> Ahh.  I was here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Get_Lubuntu
[17:12] <Unit193> Link in topic lead to the correct one.
[17:18] <notjoe> hmmm
[17:18] <notjoe> i dont get this ;(
[17:22] <notjoe> and if i remove the nvidia drivers it works again
[17:33] <bioterror> notjoe, sounds really weird
[17:34] <bioterror> notjoe, http://forums.bodhilinux.com/index.php?/topic/204-solved-nvidia-drivers-and-fonts-size/
[17:37] <notjoe> hmm, looks promising! Thanks for finding that. I'll give it a shot and let you know but it sounds like the problem im having
[17:41] <notjoe> ah ha
[17:41] <notjoe> that did the trick! Thanks a lot for you help bio
[17:42] <notjoe> your*
[17:42] <bioterror> np
[17:43] <notjoe> I'm starting to really like lubuntu.  That one you have to compile? :D
[17:46] <bioterror> hurrrh
[17:46] <bioterror> where was that bucket filled with cones
[17:47] <notjoe> now, if I can only get xbmc bitstreaming HD codecs to my receiver on this computer I'll be laughing
[19:03] <GridCube> !lxde
[19:04] <GridCube> theres no bot here...
[19:05] <Unit193> Sure there is.
[19:05] <Unit193> !lxde
[19:05] <Unit193> Doesn't know anything about LXDE.
[19:06] <valdur55> !help | GridCube
[19:06] <GridCube> oh
[19:06] <valdur55> :)  what info you want to get?
[19:06] <valdur55> Lxde version?
[19:07] <valdur55> !dpkg lxde
[19:07] <GridCube> valdur55, :) thanks i was asking ubottu about lxde to see if he knew a factoid about it
[19:07] <Unit193> He was checking for the factoid, see if it was there.
[19:07] <GridCube> he might have known in this channel
[19:07] <GridCube> :P
[19:07] <valdur55> !info lxde
[19:08] <GridCube> :) yes valdur55 thanks
[19:09] <valdur55> GridCube, :) no problem . I missed with dpkg ;)
[19:18] <Listener> Curious as to why Lubuntu 12.04 is not LTS?
[19:22] <bioterror> Listener, becouse we have like hand full of devs
[19:22] <Unit193> Handful? That many?
[19:22] <bioterror> Listener, not enough to maintain old release for years and meanwhile keep developing the next one
[19:23] <bioterror> Unit193, they like food, they are big boned! takes more space from the hand
[19:23] <Unit193> Though, the core is supported, it's just tghe LXDE part that isn't.
[19:23] <Unit193> bioterror: I see, that's it!
[19:23] <bioterror> and still, LXDE is developed with quite a speed
[19:23] <bioterror> it would be not so good idea to stick with the old LXDE components
[19:28] <Listener> bioterror, thnx... Never understood LTS except for servers anyway.
[19:31] <bioterror> Listener, now you're getting the point!
[19:32] <bmoez> how to open lubuntu session from console (tty1), when i try "startlubuntu" , i have this error "cannot open display"
[19:32] <bioterror> and what else does it say?
[19:33] <Unit193> bioterror: Last time I tried it, (been a while) you had to manually start X, switch to new TTY, then startlubuntu.
[19:33] <bmoez>  just there is not DISPLAY variable, and i don't know to correct it
[19:34] <bioterror> damn we have had a busy and akward case day today
[19:34] <bmoez> startx don't solve it, because it open unity-2
[19:35] <GridCube> startlubuntu -- :2
[19:35] <GridCube> ¿?
[19:38] <valdur55> hmm... there was .xinitrc file in home folder :) ... or .xsession
[19:44] <Myrtti> Listener: I use LTS on machines that I don't want to be upgrading every six months. In my case: my sisters computer.
[19:47] <Listener> Myrtti, I promise not to tell her that you compared her is a server.
[19:48] <Listener> 'to'
[19:56] <bmoez> ony command line to get DISPLAY var work correctly?
[20:00] <notjoe_>  !patience
[20:01] <notjoe_> I think you should throw in http://lmgtfy.com/?q=lubuntu for some added humour ;)
[20:02] <Unit193> Except that's not permitted.
[20:02] <Unit193> !x
[20:06] <bmoez> just wont to open lubuntu session from TTY
[20:06] <bmoez> not from lightdm
[20:08] <Unit193> Well, a while back, I did sudo X &  then startlubuntu  or something like that, but I can't quite remember as it was a while.
[20:12] <valdur55> how change DISPLAY var value: export DISPLAY=:0
[22:04] <airdem> hi guys
[22:04] <airdem> how do i apply /usr/share/locale/.../xdg-user-dirs.mo to ~./config/user-dirs.dirs and user-dirs.locale?
[23:56] <craigbass1976> Are there system requirements somewhere?  I'm trying to throw lubuntu ppc on an ibook G4.


[00:27] <pleia2> anyone know what's up with the loco bots? we had locobot_3_2 replace the other one and now the logs aren't being updated on logs.ubuntu-eu.org
[00:29] <pleia2> there is log directory for today, but it's empty
[14:44] <Rafik> Hello,
[14:45] <Rafik>  I sent a mail to ubuntu-eu admins about LoCoBot not logging channels since two days
[14:45] <Rafik> any news about this ?
[14:48] <pleia2> Rafik: I asked last night too - no word :(
[14:49] <Rafik> Let's sit and pray
[17:38] <ApOgEE-> hi all
[17:38] <jpds> Hello ApOgEE-
[17:39] <ApOgEE-> i wonder why locobot_2 didn't log LoCo channels since yesterday? 3 aug 2008
[17:39] <ApOgEE-> anybody here know?
[17:39] <jpds> ApOgEE-: I'd try asking in #ubuntu-eu - they are the admins.


[00:00] <ccheney`> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/398071
[00:01] <ccheney`> hmm maybe i need a full copy of gtk_entry_completion also?
[00:01] <ccheney`> looks like that calls back into regular gtkentry
[00:02] <ccheney`> i had just added the parts of that class that were new
[00:03] <asac> yes, feels like it
[00:03] <ccheney`> and the new parts didn't use GtkEntry at all from what i could tell
[00:03] <asac> let me double check
[00:03] <ccheney`> ok
[00:05] <asac> i think things would be easier if we would derive from gtkentry
[00:05] <asac> then that would just work
[00:05] <asac> i would hope
[00:08] <ccheney`> how do we go about doing that, have a derived class with all the bits newer than the one in 2.12?
[00:08] <asac> ccheney`: so try to derive the GtkEntry
[00:08] <asac> that might just work
[00:09] <asac> you would drop all fields from EphyGtkEntry and EphyGtkEntryClass
[00:09] <asac> use GTK_TYPE_ENTRY in G_DEFINE_TYPE rather than GTK_TYPE_WIDGET
[00:09] <asac> also you would use GtkEntry and GtkEntryClass instead of GtkWidget and GtkWidgetClass in the EphyGtkEntry and EphyGtkEntryClass
[00:09] <asac> struct as the only member (the topmost that isnt a pointer)
[00:09] <asac> then you would use override_property
[00:10] <asac> rather than install_property for all the properties
[00:10] <asac> that are from GtkEntry
[00:10] <asac> and that should be it afaict
[00:10] <ccheney`> ok i will try that out and see how it goes
[00:11] <asac> yeah
[00:11] <asac> might be a bit tricky
[00:11] <asac> but probably easier than copying all completion and so on
[00:11] <asac> as then the accessor functions should just call us
[00:11] <ccheney`> yea
[00:12] <ccheney`> what did you mean by 19:08 < asac> struct as the only member (the topmost that isnt a pointer)
[00:12] <asac> ccheney`: search for the EphyGtkEntry and EphyGtkEntryClass struct
[00:12] <ccheney`> empty them and have a struct inside them of type GtkEntry ?
[00:12] <asac> the first elemtn is not a pointer
[00:12] <asac> thats the parent class/object
[00:13] <ccheney`> ah yea   GtkWidget  widget;
[00:13] <asac> thats currently GtkWidget and should be GtkEntry/Class
[00:13] <ccheney`> oh ok
[00:13] <asac> and all the other funcs/fields that are already in trhe gtk 2.12 entry
[00:13] <asac> should be dropped
[00:13] <ccheney`> ah ok, i thought that was what you meant but wasn't sure and wanted to make sure i didn't do something wrong :)
[00:13] <asac> and then where we assign the funcs in _class_init
[00:13] <asac> we have to assign them to GTK_ENTRY_CLASS (klass)
[00:13] <ccheney`> so then anything in my copied code that refers to old items need to point through to GtkEntry
[00:14] <asac> rather than EPHY_GTK_ENTRY_CLASS (klass)->set_background (not sure if that function exists)
[00:14] <asac> ccheney`: give me an example for the last
[00:14] <ccheney`> looking at it to see if i understand
[00:14] <asac> e.g. for "refers to old items need to point through to GtkEntry"
[00:14] <ccheney`> eg   widget_class->unmap = ephy_gtk_entry_unmap;
[00:14] <asac> yeah right. widget_class is still widget_class
[00:15] <ccheney`> ah ok
[00:15] <asac> but there probably also is entry_class or something
[00:15] <ccheney`> eg   class->move_cursor = ephy_gtk_entry_move_cursor;
[00:15] <asac> ccheney`: right so class-> should more or less be GTK_ENTRY_CLASS(class)->
[00:15] <asac> yeah
[00:16] <ccheney`> class is currently ephy_gtk_entry_class_init (EphyGtkEntryClass *class)
[00:16] <asac> you can make a gtk_entry_class = ... on top
[00:16] <asac> same as done with widget_class
[00:16] <ccheney`> so that should be ephy_gtk_entry_class_init  (EphyGtkEntryClass *class)
[00:16] <ccheney`> er stupid return
[00:16] <asac> ccheney`: that func should still be named the same
[00:16] <asac> just the class-> ... assignments have to go against the casted entry_class (aka GTK_ENTRY_CLASS (class))
[00:16] <ccheney`> ah ok
[00:17] <asac> ccheney`: i think one function didnt exist in 2.12 ... so that function might need to be added to our ephy class then
[00:17] <ccheney`> yea
[00:18] <ccheney`> then code calling it in ephy should use the new class throughout?
[00:18] <ccheney`> and/or cast back from the new class to GtkEntry if needed, i guess?
[00:19] <asac> ccheney`: well. we overload the functions
[00:20] <asac> so things we have changed to ephy_gtk_entry_something
[00:20] <asac> can usually be reverted to gtk_entry_something
[00:20] <asac> except that thing that wasnt available in gtk_entry
[00:21] <ccheney`> ok
[00:21] <ccheney`> i think i can probably determine how to do it with what you have told me above :)
[00:22] <ccheney`> probably take a hour or two to get it fully building with everything reverted though
[00:22] <ccheney`> and its late where you are so if you want i can let you know how the patching goes and you can head off to bed or whatever (being really late in germany)
[00:24] <asac> ccheney`: maybe keep what you have for now
[00:25] <asac> so in case this road isnt good we can try someting else ;)
[00:27] <ccheney`> yea i am going to keep a backup of it
[00:29] <asac> maybe also push somewhere online for desaster scenario ;)
[00:29] <asac> ok off ... will check tomorrow
[00:29] <asac> thanks
[00:34] <ccheney`> np :) have a good night
[05:47] <LLStarks> asac. you there? i have a question.
[07:15] <ccheney`> asac: haven't gotten to a point to upload yet and about to head to bed
[07:15] <ccheney`> asac: i'm currently looking at what to do for update_cursors in gtkentry for GTK_ENTRY_GET_PRIVATE
[07:16] <ccheney`> asac: i think probably copying that verbatim from gtkentry.c would work and copying the private struct into the derived class so it can see what the original gtkentry has
[07:16] <ccheney`> asac: at least the extra functions definitely need access to the private data from gtkentry to work from what i can see
[07:16] <ccheney`> asac: ttyl :)
[11:53] <asac> ccheney`: hey
[11:54] <asac> LLStarks: yews
[15:05] <asac> hmm. did micah's sdk update ever land?
[15:05] <asac> or is that staged in mozilla-devscripts?
[18:37] <ccheney`> asac: hi
[18:40] <asac> hey
[18:45] <ccheney`> so i realized last night that i was way too tired to be sanely working on the code
[18:45] <ccheney`> i think the private members aren't needed in the new code, checking that now
[18:45] <ccheney`> yea it doesn't appear to use any of them
[18:46] <asac> ccheney`: what private members are you talking about?
[18:46] <ccheney`> so i just need to create a ephyentry private struct
[18:46] <asac> ccheney`: what did you do up to now
[18:46] <ccheney`> and copy the private ones it uses from the new version of gtk into it
[18:46] <asac> how does ephyentry class look like?
[18:46] <ccheney`> asac: i reverted the ephy gtk entry calls in the code and deleted the old gtk entry copy and started copying just the bits over that are needed to derive from it
[18:47] <ccheney`> i'll pastebinit just a sec
[18:47] <ccheney`> http://pastebin.com/cww1GymP http://pastebin.com/7WYXZHQ6
[18:49] <asac> ccheney`: you dont have any TYPE_DEFINE
[18:49] <asac> and class_init
[18:49] <asac> etc.
[18:49] <asac> all that is gone ;)
[18:49] <ccheney`> yea need to add that back
[18:50] <ccheney`> i added things as the compile complained about them
[18:50] <asac> ccheney`: i dont think you can drop all the  other funcs
[18:50] <asac> my idea was to copy everything
[18:50] <asac> just change the class_init function
[18:50] <ccheney`> we already copied everything before though?
[18:50] <asac> and make the structs and the G_DEFINE_TYPE
[18:50]  * ccheney` is confused
[18:50] <asac> ccheney`: you basically need to overload all funcs of GtkEntry
[18:51] <asac> thats why you need all the impls
[18:51] <asac> we had yesterday
[18:51] <asac> and just set them to the parent class in our new class_init
[18:51] <ccheney`> so just take the code i had before and then change up the class_init, etc ?
[18:51] <asac> ccheney`: well. if you have luck it works as you did it now
[18:52] <asac> ccheney`: the original idea was to change G_DEFINE_TYPE ... class_init and the structs
[18:52] <asac> e.g. from the structs you drop all the funcs that are in GtkEntry
[18:52] <asac> and derive from GtkEntry
[18:52] <ccheney`> ah i think i misunderstood that to drop all funcs that are in GtkEntry period :)
[18:52] <asac> in class_init you just bind all the funcs
[18:52] <ccheney`> so i redid the files
[18:52] <asac> that will ensure that gtk_entry::something will call our new ::something
[18:53] <asac> and instead of install_property in class_init
[18:53] <asac> we use override_property
[18:53] <asac> so if you set/get the properties on a GTK_ENTRY casted object it will also call our get/set_property funcs
[18:54] <asac> so yeah. only drop the declaration from the structs because they are already there if you have GtkEntryClass parent_class;
[18:54] <asac> in there
[18:54] <asac> anyway. have to run now
[18:54] <asac> the instructions should be in there
[18:55] <asac> will be back in a couple of hours
[18:55] <ccheney`> ok
[22:02] <dupondje> guys, can somebody check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/+bug/526290 ? :)
[22:23] <asac> dupondje: commented
[22:25] <dupondje> thunderbird-gnome-support was indeed not installed, tho it doesn't fix the issue it seems
[22:25] <dupondje> after install it still asks me what application to open when I click on a link
[22:30] <asac> bbin 5
[22:31] <dupondje> i'll grab some food also :P
[22:39] <asac> dupondje: works for me :/
[22:39] <asac> dupondje: sure you restarted tbird properly after installing the pkg?
[22:39] <dupondje> jl@laptopjl:~$ ps aux |grep thunder
[22:39] <dupondje> jl       22662  0.0  0.0   7556   936 pts/1    S+   23:39   0:00 grep thunder
[22:39] <dupondje> its not running :x
[22:40] <dupondje> starting it, and it asks for program :(
[22:41] <asac> dupondje: in $HOME/.thunderbird (somewhere below) there is a compreg.dat
[22:41] <asac> please paste that
[22:42] <dupondje> |grep http or ? :)
[22:42] <asac> no
[22:42] <asac> full
[22:42] <asac> there probably is no http in
[22:43] <dupondje> http://paste.ubuntu.com/398497/
[22:51] <asac> dupondje: try running sudo touch /usr/lib/thunderbird-3.0.3/.autoreg
[22:51] <asac> then start tbird
[22:51] <asac> stop it
[22:51] <asac> and paste again
[22:53] <dupondje> http://paste.ubuntu.com/398502/
[22:53] <dupondje> oh and it works btw :P
[23:00] <asac> hehe
[23:00] <asac> right
[23:01] <asac> dupondje: fix committed ;)
[23:01] <asac> will be in tomorrows dailies
[23:01] <asac> or next upload
[23:01] <dupondje> :p
[23:01] <asac> e.g. fix for componetns not getting registered if you install -gnome-support later
[23:02] <dupondje> but still you should 'smell' to install the gnome package ? :)
[23:03] <asac> dupondje: i commented that the other part should be tracked in a separate (wishlist) but
[23:03] <asac> bug
[23:03] <asac> e.g. in #4
[23:04] <dupondje> anyway thx for the fix
[23:04] <asac> so yes. we should do what we do in firefox since lucid
[23:04] <dupondje> surely for new users it was quite annoying :)
[23:04] <asac> problem is we cannot recommend gnome-support
[23:04] <asac> because of kubuntu
[23:05] <asac> they complained all the time
[23:05] <asac> dupondje: there is a nother issue ... in old tbird package
[23:05] <asac> we had a safety net that called x-www-browser
[23:05] <asac> if no gnome component was there
[23:05] <asac> we should consider to resurrect that
[23:06] <asac> chrisccoulson: ^^ maybe open those two bugs ;) ... 1. gnome integration should work even without -gnome-support ... 2. ensure that x-www-browser is used if no http handler is found through gnome integration :)
[23:06] <dupondje> it quite improves usability when you don't need to select your browser :) but we are getting close :P
[23:07] <asac> both are regression bugs over our tbird2 package
[23:07] <asac> i think for 2. we need a patch to code iirc
[23:07] <asac> as it will otherwise always prefer to use x-www-browser
[23:07] <asac> but lets first see and get those bugs ;)
[23:07] <asac> dupondje: or you can file those :)
[23:07] <asac> :)
[23:08] <asac> let me do that
[23:08] <dupondje> 591  	 Open bugs
[23:08] <dupondje> cool :P
[23:10] <asac> filed bug 543060
[23:12] <dupondje> :)
[23:12] <asac> :( slow launchpad
[23:12] <dupondje> to much thunderbird bugs ;)
[23:15] <asac> filed bug 543064 about us not using x-www-browser as a safety net.
[23:15] <asac> dupondje: well. lots of noise ;)
[23:15] <asac> those bugs are important enough, so they will get attention now :-P
[23:15] <asac> feel free to help out on bug triage so we can filter the other important ones and ensure they get fixed ;)
[23:16] <asac> starting with NEW: would be good ;) ... https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New
[23:16] <asac> dupondje: ^^
[23:16] <asac> enjoy ;)
[23:16] <dupondje> i'll look :) btw, there is another bug, that thunderbird doesn't move mails when marking it as junk
[23:17] <dupondje> but its set in the setting it should move them :s
[23:19] <asac> that doesnt feel like an ubuntu specific bug. probably best filed upstream
[23:19] <asac> dupondje: do you see any errors in error console?
[23:20] <dupondje> I checked, nope :(
[23:26] <dupondje> thx for the bugs btw :)
[23:28] <dupondje> 5 bugs as incomplete :p
[23:28] <dupondje> 1 as invalid
[23:28] <dupondje> lets kill some more
[23:31] <chrisccoulson> good evening everyone
[23:32] <dupondje> hi :)
[23:32] <dupondje> asac left you some work ;)
[23:32] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i noticed ;)
[23:33] <chrisccoulson> i've got to disappear again. it seems my laptop drive has corrupted itself at some point today, so i have to go and recover
[23:39] <dupondje> I use Mint-Gloria (Mozilla Thunderbird).


[05:13] <G> ibeardslee: Lenovo do, do windows-less laptops (I had one for work) but I don't know who you have to beg for that
[05:26] <ibeardslee> G: we have some communication going with Silicon Systems here in Wellington for a couple of the X1 Carbon models.  My goal is to get more options and make them easier to get for everyone, not just those in the know.
[05:27] <ibeardslee> I have another angle I am working to get in the face of Lenovo as well
[21:06] <ajmitch> morning
[23:14] <ibeardslee> morning
[23:15] <ibeardslee> mutter mutter got in this morning to discover that only one of my monitors was wanting to turn on.
[23:21] <olly_> morning
[23:33] <olly_> ibeardslee: is it viewsonic?
[23:34]  * olly_ noticed a large pile of empty viewsonic boxes in the room where PM happens...
[23:34] <olly_> i bought a pair of viewsonics a few months ago, and one's already had to go back to get the OSD fixed
[23:43] <chilts> morning


[02:53] <FloatingGoat> O.O
[03:05] <FloatingGoat> I feel so alone
[03:05] <FloatingGoat> _diablo-server: that must have been one big haircut O.O
[03:20] <tonyyarusso> yarly
[03:25] <FloatingGoat> tonyyarusso: did he ever come back?
[03:28] <tonyyarusso> FloatingGoat: right at the end, apparently
[03:28] <FloatingGoat> lol
[03:39] <FloatingGoat> hi
[03:39] <FloatingGoat> sundjinnkari:
[03:41] <_diablo-server> FloatingGoat tonyyarusso it took 3 hours. literally
[03:41] <_diablo-server> freakin' ridiculous
[03:41] <_diablo-server> this is what happens when I go to Aveda and have a student do it.
[03:42] <Obsidian1723> tony, ever use nconf ?
[03:44] <FloatingGoat> im going down
[03:44] <FloatingGoat> _diablo-server: hahaha yeah i know what you mean, took forever for my sister to do my hair when she was in beauty school
[03:50] <FloatingGoat> okay im good
[03:56] <Takyoji> I'M ALIVE
[03:57] <_diablo-server> FloatingGoat: sorry :( I wanted to get back there. I'll be there next month :)
[03:58] <FloatingGoat> _diablo-server: :)
[03:58] <FloatingGoat> me too
[03:58] <FloatingGoat> cause my mom took me for teh lulz and she liked it lol
[03:59]  * Takyoji wonders who here were at the release /party/, since nobody else had their IRC username on their nametag. :P
[04:00] <FloatingGoat> Takyoji: where you in the orange chirt?
[04:00]  * Takyoji wonders if it was FloatingGoat that was to my right at the release party.
[04:00] <FloatingGoat> shirt*
[04:00] <FloatingGoat> I was tellin everyone my IRC name lol
[04:01] <FloatingGoat> which reminds me
[04:01] <FloatingGoat> gotta cload oh man
[04:01] <Takyoji> This was my shirt: http://store.linux.com/product_info.php?products_id=171
[04:01] <FloatingGoat> sorry had to cloak
[04:02] <FloatingGoat> the mac users dont like me
[04:02] <FloatingGoat> anyways
[04:02] <FloatingGoat> hold on firefox is being a nub
[04:02] <FloatingGoat> are you caleb?
[04:02] <Takyoji> Yus
[04:03] <FloatingGoat> lol
[04:03] <FloatingGoat> :D
[04:03] <FloatingGoat> im jeff
[04:03] <Takyoji> The one that won the masterprize that is now sitting on my desktop. :P
[04:04] <FloatingGoat> lol yeah :D
[04:04] <FloatingGoat> I was sitting next to you at paul's party
[04:04] <Takyoji> and yes, I do forget real names, very easily. :P
[04:04] <Takyoji> Oh... you.
[04:04] <Takyoji> Nah, I'm kidding. xP
[04:05] <FloatingGoat> XD
[04:05] <FloatingGoat> the one with the android dilema
[04:05] <FloatingGoat> goin down
[04:05] <FloatingGoat> stupid windows
[04:05] <FloatingGoat> I HATE YOU
[04:05] <FloatingGoat> okay im still here
[04:06]  * Takyoji comes to realization.
[04:06] <FloatingGoat> O.O
[04:06] <Takyoji> Android is written in Java, Java is platform independent, so wouldn't a person be able to install Android on an x86 architecture I would?
[04:07] <Takyoji> s/platform/CPU instruction set/
[04:07] <Takyoji> and I'm going to harass people on the mailing list to IRC moar
[04:07] <FloatingGoat> lol
[04:07] <FloatingGoat> yeah maybe
[04:07] <FloatingGoat> but it wasnt made for that so you'll probably run into a few problems O.O
[04:09] <FloatingGoat> do you have an AGP 8x graphics card? nvidia preferably
[04:09] <Takyoji> I guess it does have some exclusivity to the ARM architecture, and there is a project of porting it to x86; I think I recall now using VirtualBox to emulate it, and having a rather slow experience
[04:09] <Takyoji> NVIDIA GeForce 8800GT
[04:10] <FloatingGoat> that's AGP?
[04:11] <FloatingGoat> oh it isn't :'(
[04:11] <FloatingGoat> I AM NOW IN TEARS FOREVER
[04:11] <Takyoji> AGP is a bit older, yus?
[04:11] <FloatingGoat> yeah
[04:11] <Takyoji> You might be able to find older graphics cards at thrift stores.
[04:11] <FloatingGoat> the port looks more simplistic
[04:11] <Takyoji> I have seen one or two before.
[04:11] <FloatingGoat> working one?
[04:12] <Takyoji> I don't have any other than my 8800GT, soo. :P
[04:12] <FloatingGoat> oh yeah
[04:12] <FloatingGoat> im looking to purchase
[04:13] <Takyoji> I wonder if you could even find something on NewEgg
[04:13] <FloatingGoat> yeah but
[04:13] <FloatingGoat> its like 80 bucks for a compatible 512
[04:13] <FloatingGoat> I believe
[04:15] <Takyoji> Of the cheapest option available?
[04:16] <Takyoji> Lowest price I can find is $30
[04:16] <Takyoji> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007709%20600007850&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=20
[04:23] <FloatingGoat> yay problem solved :_
[04:25] <Takyoji> The fat little black/white dog wants me Tux plushie. D:
[04:25] <Takyoji> wants my*
[04:27] <Takyoji> oh hay, just realized I don't have the gpanel applet for a countdown timer that I usually use for a timer for my pizza, because, oh yanno, I can't configure my gnome-panel in 11.04 whatsoever, yay. xP
[04:28] <FloatingGoat> lol :)
[04:28] <FloatingGoat> like I said before
[04:28] <FloatingGoat> I love the dash
[04:28] <FloatingGoat> the rest of it is
[04:28] <FloatingGoat> well ehh
[04:28] <FloatingGoat> if window switching was one launcher click
[04:28] <FloatingGoat> then i'd use it more
[04:29] <FloatingGoat> sorry for my late reply I just got my phone to stop herp derpin now it works!
[04:29] <Takyoji> when you have more than one window of an application, it's also a bit of a b-tch. :P
[04:29] <Takyoji> Since not all applications are tabbed.
[04:29] <Takyoji> i.e. image viewer.
[04:29] <FloatingGoat> yeah thats what I meant by window switching lol
[04:30] <Takyoji> So a simple reset worked, or?
[04:30] <FloatingGoat> no I had to delete google app data
[04:31] <Takyoji> ahh
[04:31] <Takyoji> and one other issue I guess I have is: all the text on gnome-panel is black over a dark grey gradient, so I can't exactly see so swell. xP
[04:32] <Takyoji> And again, since context menus (right-click) are completely disabled, I can't fix it directly. xP
[04:34] <FloatingGoat> yeah
[04:34] <FloatingGoat> it sucks
[04:34] <Takyoji> ahh; shuffling the window decorator theme fixed it
[04:37] <Takyoji> Too bad the Rochester/Owatonna folk isn't on IRC. xP
[04:37] <Takyoji> But jezuz, that was probably a 2 hour drive to make it to the metro for him. xP
[04:38]  * Takyoji checks
[04:39] <FloatingGoat> what happend?
[04:39] <Takyoji> Person to my left was from Rochester or perhaps Owatonna (can't remember which), which is even further south than Faribault.
[04:40] <Takyoji> Nah, I guess it's just 1 hour and 10 minutes from Owatonna, but Rochester would be about 2 hours.
[04:40] <FloatingGoat> yeah did he have a problem that needed fixing? :D
[04:41] <Takyoji> No, I'm just implying it would be nice if they were on IRC, since they're probably the only person in southern Minnesota. :P
[04:42] <Takyoji> I'm down here by myself in Faribault, and there's one in Mankato, and perhaps that one in Rochester/Owatonna; not much else.
[04:42] <Takyoji> I'm all aloooone. d:
[04:42] <Takyoji> D:*
[04:44] <Takyoji> everyone else is in the metro, and then there's the poor sparse folks spread out in north Minnesota.
[04:46] <Takyoji> and I really need to learn the highways and roads in the metro, I'm a bit of a moron. :P
[04:51] <FloatingGoat> hahaha
[04:51] <FloatingGoat> naw man even I get confused and im in st paul almost every week O.O
[04:52] <Takyoji> Can you guess where I disappeared off to, before everyone officially left?  :P
[05:07] <Takyoji> A Very Big Thing™
[05:12] <FloatingGoat> hahahhah
[05:21] <Takyoji> Gah, I'm going to have to take a picture in the morning. Too much grain (due to the ISO speed) to ruin a quality picture. D:
[05:22] <FloatingGoat> lol
[05:48] <Takyoji> yay
[05:49] <fisch246> i'm in natty now :D
[05:49]  * _diablo-server just realized who Takyoji was at the release party (I think
[05:49] <fisch246> haha
[05:49] <_diablo-server> (he thinks)
[05:49] <fisch246> it was caleb :P
[05:49]  * Takyoji tries to recall who _diablo-server was
[05:50] <fisch246> i only know cause it was on his nametag >>>
[05:50] <fisch246> >.>*
[05:50] <Takyoji> and everyone else didn't. :P
[05:50] <_diablo-server> Takyoji: I was the guy with the haircut...
[05:51] <_diablo-server> Takyoji: wait, you were at the one at TIES, right?
[05:51] <Takyoji> Yus
[05:51] <Takyoji> Both
[05:51] <fisch246> mmk well #ubuntu is useless as usual... hopefully the forums have a posted note for what i want to know :3
[05:51] <Takyoji> TIES and Hopkins
[05:52] <fisch246> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/04/become-a-natty-power-user-in-no-time-using-this-unit-keyboard-shortcuts-wallpaper/
[05:52] <fisch246> lulz
[05:52] <Takyoji> If you imply where you sat, I might remember who you would be. :P
[05:52] <Takyoji> Seenit
[05:53] <fisch246> holy sh-
[05:53] <fisch246> they kept that feature from the beta :D
[05:53] <_diablo-server> Takyoji: I sat next to the girl in the 2nd to last row
[05:54] <fisch246> the thing they stole from win 7 haha
[05:54] <Takyoji> which "feature"; sure it's not another bug disguised as a feature? :P
[05:55] <fisch246> haha
[05:55] <Takyoji> So yes, I recall who you are.
[05:55] <fisch246> where i can drag the window to the edge and it fills up half the screen :D
[05:56] <fisch246> so half my screen is pidgin and the other half is chromium haha
[05:56] <Takyoji> "Hey, when I drag the window to the edge it, it resizes to about half, but it's offset and not the full span", "Pssh, naw! That's a feature! :D"
[05:56] <Takyoji> I use the Compiz plugin (long before Win7) for resizing windows to portions of the screen
[05:57] <fisch246> cool
[05:57] <fisch246> _diablo-server: i still have no idea who you are >.>
[05:57] <fisch246> you brian?
[05:57] <_diablo-server> fisch246: no problem :) I'm not offended
[05:57] <_diablo-server> neg. Mark
[05:57] <Takyoji> fisch246: Near the middle, I believe, opposite side of entrance.
[05:57] <_diablo-server> http://www.katerberg.net
[05:58] <fisch246> i don't remember a mark >.>
[05:59] <fisch246> o good i am getting the people right
[06:00] <fisch246> i'm like brian brought his girlfriend though...
[06:00] <fisch246> so mark... hm...
[06:00] <Takyoji> So, everyone ready for World IPv6 Day already? :P
[06:00] <_diablo-server> fisch246: I'm sure I'll meet you again
[06:01] <fisch246> were you on my side?
[06:01] <_diablo-server> Takyoji: it won't matter... it's like 3 sites and then they turn it off a few weeks later
[06:01] <_diablo-server> fisch246: idk who you are or where you were
[06:01] <fisch246> haha
[06:01] <fisch246> i'm paul
[06:01] <fisch246> the guy who set it up :P
[06:01] <Takyoji> It's a goal that there's sufficient people with IPv6 support, and very few to none with broken IPv6, so that they'll just leave IPv6 enabled.
[06:01] <Takyoji> for the websites
[06:01] <Takyoji> and then from there, we can grow statistics.
[06:02] <fisch246> the guy who should have given you a posted note for the drawing of the penguin
[06:02] <_diablo-server> fisch246: I'm positive we are talking about different things. I'm talking about the penguins unbound meeting organized by Brian
[06:02] <_diablo-server> Takyoji: I would like that to be true
[06:02] <fisch246> _diablo-server: o ok
[06:02] <fisch246> _diablo-server: i wasn't at the PU party XD
[06:03] <_diablo-server> fisch246: sadness. come next month. it's fun
[06:03] <Takyoji> I occasionally molest those of Linode to provide IPv6 to customers even though a vast majority of the datacenters they're in have IPv6 available to them
[06:03] <fisch246> _diablo-server: i had my own party with the LoCo
[06:03] <_diablo-server> wish I had known of it. would have swung by
[06:03] <Takyoji> yet they don't have it available; thus everyone has to resort to an IPv6 tunnel
[06:03] <_diablo-server> fisch246: is there a loco?
[06:04] <fisch246> well i had a guy call me about someone who missed the party and went directly to starbucks, but no one wanted to go... so he calls me wondering where everyone was XD
[06:04] <fisch246> poor guy
[06:04] <Takyoji> _diablo-server: You're on this IRC channel, aren't you? :P
[06:05] <fisch246> Takyoji: congrats on the prize btw
[06:06] <Takyoji> I cleaned my workspace in the sole reason of getting a picture of my workspace with the Tux mascot; but it's not even luminosity in this room that there's a bit of grain on the image.
[06:06] <fisch246> aw no sticky yet for 11.04 :(
[06:06] <Takyoji> Thus I shall wait until tomorrow in the daytime to take a perfected picture. :P
[06:06] <fisch246> ha
[06:08] <Takyoji> But yea, as I was saying earlier, I quickly disappeared before everyone left the Boston Garden officially, as I ran off to bathroom so I wouldn't crap my pants after all the endless anxiety and missed turns of driving. xP
[06:08] <fisch246> ha
[06:08] <Takyoji> and I ended up turning around a couple times and backtracking a few times on the way back to Faribault. xP
[06:10] <Takyoji> Especially when I took I-35 S, and the exit number was decrementing to 1, rather than incrementing or something to 59, thus figured I was going the wrong way, then turned off, drove for a while, did a u-turn, drove across the overpass, and then back the other way, and so on. xP
[06:11] <Takyoji> Only to realize I was going the right direction, to realize that /semantically/ I-35 S turns into I-35, and the exit numbering changes.
[06:12] <Takyoji> and yea, when I was going to TIES, I almost ended up going into Wisconsin
[06:12] <_diablo-server> Takyoji: of course I'm here
[06:16] <Takyoji> and so yea, I was explaining my surprise of how there seemed to be quite a lot of folks at the installfest over the age of 50, and someone on IRC (of another network and channel) replies with "Surprised to find out that linux is for old people and computer hipsters? :P" xP
[06:16] <_diablo-server> Takyoji: lol
[06:16] <fisch246> where's my weather applet?  :P
[06:18] <Takyoji> Just as I was saying earlier, I'm already missing my gpanel countdown applet that I always use for timing the pizza in the oven.
[06:18] <fisch246> XD
[06:18] <Takyoji> As well as my previously beautiful right-side gnome-panel with all information and diagnostics.
[06:19] <fisch246> i just want my weather applet D:
[06:19] <Takyoji> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:565/monitoring2.png or alternately http://[2001:470:1f10:39d::2]/monitoring2.png
[06:22] <Takyoji> Now I can't see when people are clicking my links. D:
[06:22] <fisch246> the panel says Morrowind is running 3 different programs... odd >.>
[06:22] <fisch246> methinks it's confused
[06:22] <Takyoji> without having to look at the Apache log
[06:22] <Takyoji> Sure it's not 3 different windows?
[06:22] <fisch246> yea that's what i meant
[06:22] <fisch246> however it isn't actually running >.>
[06:22] <Takyoji> So I take it that it's a single-window application?
[06:23] <fisch246> if i try to close it, everything disappears than reappears...
[06:25] <Takyoji> But yes, I do still wonder what form of Java environment that Android uses, and wonder if Oracle could screw over Android
[06:25] <Takyoji> They should just rewrite it all in Google Go. :P
[06:25] <fisch246> well i'm gonna restart
[06:25] <fisch246> see if it corrects itself
[06:29] <Takyoji> otherwise what was the intent of the person of SwiftLinux?
[06:30] <Takyoji> (complete topic change, yes)
[06:30]  * Takyoji stops briefing conspiring behind fisch246's back
[06:31] <Takyoji> Too bad we don't regularly have voice-based conversation to help portray our sly nerdy connotations to each other, without them being lost when being just sent in plaintext over IRC. :P
[06:33] <fisch246> the simple reboot the computer method always seems to fix everything...
[06:34] <Takyoji> Pssh, Windows user. :P
[06:34] <fisch246> i'm using Ubuntu >.>
[06:34] <Takyoji> Coulda logged out, restarted GDM, etc. :P
[06:34] <fisch246> you solve windows problems by going into Ubuntu...
[06:34] <fisch246> and staying there...
[06:35] <fisch246> not sure if i like the panel or not
[06:35] <Takyoji> but real men troubleshoot the depths of any bug
[06:35] <Takyoji> ...and writes their own device drivers! :P
[06:35] <Takyoji> Yea, I have a long rant of Unity
[06:35] <fisch246> i've never written my own driver
[06:35] <Takyoji> that I've repeated throughout the day
[06:36] <Takyoji> I haven't yet either, but I may at some point.
[06:36] <fisch246> the thing i liked about docky was that i could clutter it up and still use it as usual
[06:36] <fisch246> i actually like Unity...
[06:37] <Takyoji> I still bicker due to my workflow
[06:37] <fisch246> to be honest it isn't too friendly to new users though
[06:37] <fisch246> hahahahaha
[06:38] <Takyoji> I'm just more curious of GNOME 3 now. :P
[06:38] <Takyoji> It'll probably best the next thing I'll do tomorrow. :P
[06:38] <fisch246> i just found out that Ubuntu supports my horizontal trackpad movement XD
[06:38] <fisch246> i turned it on awhile ago
[06:38] <Takyoji> Just like we were saying at the end of the TIES installfest. xP
[06:38]  * fisch246 never went to TIES
[06:38] <Takyoji> So, it only moved the cursor vertically?
[06:39] <fisch246> no :P
[06:39] <fisch246> the scroll feature
[06:39] <Takyoji> oh, horizontal scrolling, yes. :P
[06:39] <fisch246> i am a scrolling whore >.>
[06:39] <Takyoji> as am I
[06:40]  * Takyoji eyes his mouse and contemplates scratching the Microsoft logo off it
[06:41] <fisch246> i was thinking about getting plugins for the panel...
[06:41] <fisch246> now i realize that i won't see them anyway...
[06:41] <Takyoji> The "lenses", or?
[06:41] <fisch246> as the panel hides, and it's too ugly to stop it from hiding, just to see my plugins at work
[06:42]  * fisch246 puts on genesis
[06:42] <fisch246> i've listened to too much Indie music, and thrash metal... time for something different :D
[06:43] <fisch246> eh... not in the mood for this either
[06:44] <Takyoji> No nerdcore? :P
[06:45] <fisch246> nope
[06:45] <fisch246> o wait... i just got Korn...
[06:46] <fisch246> there we go...
[06:46] <fisch246> i go from Lamb of God to Korn haha
[06:48] <Takyoji> Well, alright, this is the unofficial workstation picture for now: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:565/workstation.jpg (or http://[2001:470:1f10:39d::2]/workstation.jpg for IPv6)
[06:48] <Takyoji> Tomorrow shall be the official picture
[06:49] <fisch246> i take it transmission has problems in Unity?
[06:49] <Takyoji> Such as freezing, or?
[06:50] <Takyoji> and then holding up the whole system, or something freakishly of that nature?
[06:50] <Takyoji> (which it has, if I remember correctly)
[06:50] <fisch246> well nothing shows up
[06:50] <fisch246> then it crashes...
[06:51] <Takyoji> and then when I try killing it, it doesn't fully terminate, and the system is holding back from fulling killing it due to waiting on some filesystem-related call or something of that nature.
[06:51] <Takyoji> from fully killing it*
[06:52] <fisch246> hm... mine killed
[06:52] <fisch246> suggest any alternatives?
[06:52] <Takyoji> Miro, mebbeh?
[06:53] <fisch246> >.<
[06:53] <Takyoji> Which kinda sorta is a torrent application
[06:53] <fisch246> any good ones?
[06:53] <Takyoji> But more for video
[06:53] <fisch246> do they support deluge anymore?
[06:53] <fisch246> ah they do
[06:56] <fisch246> know how to change default apps?
[06:56] <fisch246> besides using Ubuntu Tweak
[06:56] <fisch246> unless they still support that
[06:56] <Takyoji> "default apps" as in MIME-type related, or the applications listed on the Unity Dash?
[06:57] <fisch246> MIME
[06:57] <Takyoji> Probably the same as it's always been
[06:57] <fisch246> i've only done it in ubuntu tweak
[06:59] <fisch246> unless you mean the "open with another app" method
[07:07] <fisch246> wow... only 2 sources didn't carry over
[07:09] <fisch246> meaning they're not supported anymore
[07:09] <fisch246> or at least not yet
[07:10] <fisch246> whoa... virtualbox is huge...
[07:12] <fisch246> hey jeff
[07:12] <FloatingGoat> HEY
[07:13] <FloatingGoat> Hey paul
[07:13] <FloatingGoat> Hey was blackdog at the party?
[07:13] <fisch246> you assuming i know people's IRC tags?
[07:15] <fisch246> yay :D Ubuntu Tweak is for natty :D
[07:15] <fisch246> i cried inside when i saw it was going to be removed during upgrade
[07:15]  * FloatingGoat enjoyed his ice cream
[07:15]  * FloatingGoat fixed the android problem
[07:16] <fisch246> i really wish you guys went to the after party
[07:16] <fisch246> i had a background that had wall-e reaching up to a glowing Ubuntu Symbol haha
[07:17] <fisch246> and i edited my startup script so the entire intro song to Clockwork Orange would play the first time i booted into Natty XD
[07:18] <FloatingGoat> Dang 0.0 LOL I don't have a computer. Yeah I felt out of place at the ties install party, but I made up for it by talking to people and helping some people too.
[07:21] <Takyoji> Previous years, I didn't have a laptop either. And my parents also had to drive me up for the previous times as well. :P
[07:22] <fisch246> whoa... what just happened to my top panel?
[07:22] <FloatingGoat> Oh and this dude may hook me up with an agp 8× gfx card
[07:23] <fisch246> there much better :D
[07:23] <fisch246> i just manually restarted unity haha
[07:24] <FloatingGoat> Unity-panel I think in the terminal. MAybe
[07:24] <fisch246> the scroll panel needs to be better... but other than that... i like unity
[07:24] <fisch246> o i could've just restarted the panel?
[07:26] <fisch246> things are honestly easier in Unity >.>
[07:26] <FloatingGoat> Yeah just typing unity works too O.O
[07:26] <FloatingGoat> Yeah about what Tony was saying about finding apps in unity at your party. You onto have to scroll or anything, just super+type name of app
[07:27] <FloatingGoat> I think just gnome+the dash would be amazing
[07:27] <fisch246> they certainly improved the dock
[07:28] <fisch246> still not as great as docky...
[07:28] <fisch246> but enough for me to drop docky
[07:36] <FloatingGoat> LOL
[07:36] <FloatingGoat> Yeah. But window switching for me was a real hassle
[07:40] <FloatingGoat> They need to make window switching on the dock.
[07:40] <fisch246> http://teenshumor.com/media/LOL-ROFL-LMAO.png
[07:40] <FloatingGoat> I mean when your trying to switch between two windows of the same app
[07:42] <FloatingGoat> LOL that photo is somewhat true for me
[07:46] <fisch246> futurama is the best show ever made... hands down...
[07:46] <fisch246> yes... better than firefly >.>
[07:47] <Takyoji[laptop]> ROFLCOPTERsoisoisoisoisoi
[07:47] <Takyoji[laptop]> Aww, dangit. xP
[07:48] <Takyoji[laptop]> mysteriousdarren is mysterious
[07:58] <fisch246> http://youtu.be/P_WI0VI7aIw
[07:59] <fisch246> http://youtu.be/V8szWccJvb4
[08:04] <FloatingGoat> Wit happened
[08:05] <fisch246> i started posing zoidberg links
[08:07] <FloatingGoat> I'm going to try this cool new swift Linux that I have heard about.
[08:07] <fisch246> jupiter linux is cool btw
[08:08] <fisch246> still buggy as hell though
[08:08] <FloatingGoat> Any relation to swift Linux?
[08:08] <fisch246> never heard of swift
[08:09] <fisch246> but i doubt it
[08:09] <fisch246> jupiter is an off shoot of Ubuntu
[08:14] <FloatingGoat> Ahh I think the Guy that made sect was telling me about that. Well anyway I'm heading to bed. Goodnight.
[08:14] <fisch246> night jeff
[08:41] <fisch246> i'm gonna head to bed as well
[08:41] <fisch246> night all
[08:41] <fisch246> thanks for coming to the party :) hope you all had fun :)
[08:41] <fisch246> i'll try and be here more often
[11:04] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: btw, I'm told that Linode will have native IPv6 before the end of 2011.
[11:05] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: ummm, I-35 *W* turns into I-35.  "I-35 S" means "I-35 southbound".
[11:07] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: In either case, exits are numbered from south to north starting at each state border.  (And from west to east on E-W interstates.)
[11:09] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: Android uses a custom environment, not the JRE / JVM from Oracle.  This is a core issue of Oracle's lawsuit against Google currently.
[19:47] <fisch246> tonyyarusso: you're lucky someone didn't ask me what i didn't like about -ot >.> i would've gone on a rant about several different ops, and an entire situation as an example >.>
[19:48] <fisch246> you're one of the few ops besides rww that actually does a good job >.>
[19:49] <tonyyarusso> heh
[19:50] <tonyyarusso> -ot is unnaturally stressful to manage, and it's hard to have enough turnover to avoid burnout while also having people be there long enough to be experienced well.  It's a highly unstable balancing act.
[19:50] <tonyyarusso> This is why you see a lot of people being ops for a while, quitting for a year, then coming back, and so forth.
[19:50] <fisch246> i would have brought all of this to the council but the fact that i would be complaining about so many ops, would probably mean i'd look like a nut job >.>
[19:51] <fisch246> and the fact that bazhang is still an op after what he does... i don't see how these guys could be removed either
[19:51] <tonyyarusso> It would be better to write a generic statement to the council explaining the categories of behavior you dislike, with, and I can't stress this enough, with constructive suggestions of how to improve it.  (You may want to read a few thousand hours worth of the discussions we've already had on the subject first though.)
[19:53] <fisch246> idk... i just don't find anyone welcoming in that room
[19:53] <FloatingGoat> why is macOSx called macOSX when it has no real relation to the other nine macOS's?
[19:54] <FloatingGoat> therefor it shouldnt be stacked O.O
[19:54] <fisch246> not to mention topygil keeps kicking me for no reason >.<
[19:54] <FloatingGoat> ubuntu-offtopic?
[19:55] <fisch246> first time was because i was explaining to everyone how trolling is fine in a playful sense, but not  when someone is annoyed by it... the second time he thought "snuggle buddy" was a sexist term >.<
[19:56] <FloatingGoat> im banned from channels i've never even been into for "trolling"
[19:57] <fisch246> they then later claimed to misunderstand me... thinking i meant a "sex buddy"... being as no one has ever misunderstood me on that point, i call bullshit... and then bazhang pm's me about banning me for my sexism... i'm pretty much confirmed on the fact that no one in that channel likes me, so why go there?
[19:57] <fisch246> o oops i said the s-word... my bad
[19:58] <FloatingGoat> bazhang is a D-bag
[19:58] <fisch246> well everyone knows that...
[19:58] <FloatingGoat> and deserves to be G-lined >:)
[19:58] <FloatingGoat> everything I say
[19:58] <fisch246> don't you mean k-lined?
[19:58] <FloatingGoat> "I love xfce" him-"xfce sucks"
[19:59] <fisch246> he doesn't even like Ubuntu >.>
[19:59] <FloatingGoat> seriously O.O
[19:59] <FloatingGoat> I know
[19:59] <FloatingGoat> no gline is when you get banned from going on any network ever
[19:59] <fisch246> ah
[19:59] <FloatingGoat> im pretty sure
[19:59] <fisch246> so more severe than k-line
[20:05] <FloatingGoat> yeah it means global ban
[20:05] <fisch246> ah ok
[20:06] <fisch246> sorry for logging, i was wiping something off my keyboard and accidently pressed the hotkey for turning on and off wifi :/
[20:06] <FloatingGoat> im not sure if it exists
[20:06] <FloatingGoat> LOLOLOLOL
[20:06] <FloatingGoat> it happens
[20:06] <FloatingGoat> so you didnt know about the ties place?
[20:06] <fisch246> i did but only when it got close to the party
[20:07] <FloatingGoat> oh dayum
[20:07] <FloatingGoat> I heard about it at 12
[20:07] <FloatingGoat> from diablo
[20:07] <FloatingGoat> he called me and told me where it was
[20:07] <FloatingGoat> and right when I got there I guess he left to get a haircut, and it took 3 hours O.O
[20:08] <FloatingGoat> so i didnt even meet him lol
[20:09] <fisch246> i'm seriously hours from doing a giant rant against apple...
[20:10] <fisch246> i have never been more pissed at a company more than them..
[20:12] <FloatingGoat> canonical?
[20:17] <fisch246> no apple
[20:17] <fisch246> they're as bad as the RIAA
[20:17] <fisch246> they're geniuses on avoiding the law
[20:21] <FloatingGoat> riaa?
[20:21] <FloatingGoat> what did they do?
[20:22] <FloatingGoat> I love how they are sueing samsung, because their phone interface looks alice
[20:22] <FloatingGoat> alike*
[20:22] <FloatingGoat> bunch of greedy selfish bastards
[20:22] <fisch246> samsung sued them back for patent infringement... whom they have been breaking at least once a year...
[20:22] <FloatingGoat> LOL i know
[20:22] <FloatingGoat> !
[20:22] <FloatingGoat> GO SAMSUNG! GO!
[20:23] <fisch246> that's why i hate Apple...
[20:23] <fisch246> they steal an idea, then put that business out of business cause they can't sue them...
[20:24] <FloatingGoat> plus they make most of their money on dumb consumers
[20:25] <fisch246> btw... i was thinking about getting our LoCo group to hang out at the apple store, and out smart the apple geniuses...
[20:25] <fisch246> ask them how to compile a kernel and stuff like that
[20:25] <FloatingGoat> hmm
[20:26] <FloatingGoat> real life trolling?
[20:26] <FloatingGoat> lol
[20:26] <fisch246> yup
[20:26] <FloatingGoat> LETS DO IT!
[20:26] <FloatingGoat> and also fork bomb a few machines
[20:26] <fisch246> but anyway...
[20:26] <FloatingGoat> i've wanted to real ife troll
[20:27] <fisch246> well it was a joke >.>
[20:27] <FloatingGoat> ive almost tried it
[20:29] <fisch246> i'd advise against it
[20:30] <fisch246> if you want linux to be more popular you need to accept new people, try not to troll, and be ready to inform others
[20:32] <FloatingGoat> nope
[20:32] <FloatingGoat> doesnt work with macfags
[20:32] <tonyyarusso> !ohmy | FloatingGoat
[20:32] <FloatingGoat> sorry :O
[20:33] <tonyyarusso> fisch246: Compiling a kernel isn't relevant on a Mac, so they have no reason to know how.
[20:33] <FloatingGoat> doesnt work with those super cool guy mac people
[20:33] <tonyyarusso> (Nor do we frankly, since you don't do it on Ubuntu either.)
[20:33] <FloatingGoat> they think mac is superior to all else, and wont have it any other way.
[20:33] <FloatingGoat> at least that's my expeience with all the mac users I know
[20:34] <FloatingGoat> all of them have never tried, or heard of linux, yet they say mac is better. yay.
[20:35] <fisch246> tonyyarusso: i believe i mentioned i was joking
[20:35] <fisch246> FloatingGoat: i believe Ubuntu is superior... does that make me bad?
[20:36] <FloatingGoat> fisch246: have you tried mac?
[20:36] <FloatingGoat> obviously you have
[20:36] <fisch246> FloatingGoat: yes
[20:36] <FloatingGoat> theres your answer
[20:36] <fisch246> i like the looks of mac
[20:36] <FloatingGoat> you cant judge something that you have never even heard of or tried
[20:36] <fisch246> but there's so many things it can't do >.<
[20:37] <FloatingGoat> most of them say "oh it has no market value so it sux" yeah well theres also no advertising
[20:37] <fisch246> which is why i support people using weed... but i never show my personal opinion on it
[20:37] <FloatingGoat> and if you really want to get technical, look at android.
[20:37] <FloatingGoat> its more poular that IOS in USA
[20:37] <FloatingGoat> yeah well I had to use mac in school, and I hated it
[20:38] <FloatingGoat> I felt soo locked down.
[20:40] <fisch246> well like i said... i think Ubuntu does things better
[20:40] <FloatingGoat> yes
[20:40] <FloatingGoat> and with gnome 3, its more accessible
[20:40] <FloatingGoat> gnome 2*
[20:41] <FloatingGoat> even unity
[20:41] <FloatingGoat> although I still think gnome is more accessible
[20:41] <FloatingGoat> in some areas
[20:42] <fisch246> i'm not a fan of corporate pushed software... but Canonical has shown it can be a good thing
[20:43] <fisch246> they bleed money, and have pushed for getting it mobile
[20:43] <FloatingGoat> although canonical has done some things that are a little ehhhh
[21:12] <fisch246> true, but they respect other corporations and they don't care about money...
[21:38] <fisch246> tonyyarusso: bought time you accepted my friend request :P
[22:42] <tsmann> Hey anyone life want to talk about Unity?
[22:42] <tsmann> live*
[22:46] <fisch2461> is there a command to upgrade to 10.10 on the server distro?
[23:09] <tsmann> @fisch2461 not that I know of but I have only done server installs for the sake of video tutorials. And really I didn't know what I was doing. You might consullt the Ubuntu Wiki.
[23:11] <tonyyarusso> !upgrade | fisch246
[23:11] <tonyyarusso> (Yes, there is.)
[23:12] <fisch246> o sorry
[23:12] <fisch246> i found it out
[23:16] <tsmann> So anyone wish to discuss Unity? I couldn't make it to the release party.
[23:19] <fisch246> ah
[23:20] <fisch246> were you the guy who called?
[23:55] <tsmann> ??
[23:56] <tsmann> sorry got interupted.
[23:56] <fisch246> were you the guy who went to the after party and no one there
[23:56] <fisch246> one one was there*
[23:57] <tsmann> No haha.


[00:20] <tim_> hey
[00:20] <tim_> im interested in working with themes and background and all
[00:20] <tim_> however, im not sure where to start
[00:22] <tim_> is there anything i can do to help, with my limited skills
[00:24] <troy_s> tim_: Help - no.
[00:24] <troy_s> tim_: Imagine if this were a kernel developer forum, you basically said "I can't code but I'd like to try and get things committed to the kernel."
[00:24] <troy_s> tim_: So it's silly.
[00:24] <troy_s> tim_: _But_
[00:25] <troy_s> tim_: If you are interested in learning more about art / design / etc., you might be able to find some good suggestions / starting points.
[00:25] <troy_s> tim_: Make sense?
[08:26] <zacbarton> hi there
[08:27] <zacbarton> im hoping someone can help me fix an issue im having using a metacity theme with compiz
[08:27] <zacbarton> see here - http://www.zacbarton.com/metacity_vs_compiz.png
[09:06] <vish> zacbarton: seems like a bug.. are you doing the theme or just curious about the bug?
[09:06] <zacbarton> im doing a theme
[09:06] <zacbarton> shame
[09:08] <vish> zacbarton: are you noticing the same with other themes as well?
[09:09] <zacbarton> hmm good question ill just chk
[09:09] <zacbarton> yea it looks like it
[09:09] <zacbarton> other themes show the same issue
[09:09] <vish> zacbarton: i just checked in virtual box too , it seems that metacity doesnt allow maximizing those windows
[09:10] <zacbarton> yea
[09:10] <zacbarton> but compiz does. and in a metacity theme you can style the close differently for those cases
[09:11] <vish> zacbarton: hmm? style it different?
[09:11] <zacbarton> would it be a metacity bug or the gnome-window-decorator?
[09:11] <zniavre_> gconf-editor >/apps/metacity/general/button_layout > did you check the layout too ?
[09:12] <zacbarton> yea like if the window is a utility window (like gimp). so in my case id use a different close button rather then using the one i use when its min/max/close (as my button are joined)
[09:12] <vish> ah , cool
[09:13] <vish> zacbarton: you did the homosapien theme? or modifying it?
[09:14] <zacbarton> i didnt create it but i did take the mockup and turned it into a theme
[09:14] <vish> neat
[09:14] <zacbarton> @znavre: the button layout is the same between compiz and metacity
[09:15] <zacbarton> yea its turning out quite good. im in contact with the author so we will see what comes next :-)
[09:16] <zacbarton> i added a (hopefully) more human color gardient to the latest version which i think looks good
[09:28]  * vish wonders how appropriate - , + is for a minimize  , maximize  , it seems more like remove or add :(
[09:41] <thorwil> everyone put a mark on the calender, kwwii blogged: http://kwwii.blogspot.com/2010/02/platform-sprint-in-portland.html
[09:44] <thorwil> i already considered to see his blog posts as events marking the end/start of an era
[09:45] <vish> thorwil: hmm? didnt understand... previous era?
[09:47] <thorwil> vish: important events are used to divide history. for example, the rediscovery of america is sometimes considered to be the end of the middle ages
[09:47] <vish> thorwil: lol! i know "era" meaning.. i was asking what was the beginning/end of the last era?
[09:47] <vish> what was the last event
[09:48] <vish> thorwil:  blogged about breathe and we shut down work within a month ;p
[09:48] <vish> kwwii blogged*
[09:49] <thorwil> vish: heh, so maybe it's good he doesn't blog often
[09:49] <vish> lol ;)
[09:50] <darkmatter> vish: down/up arrowheads are better for min/max imo
[09:50] <vish> darkmatter: agreed , they could be used in those button styles
[09:57] <darkmatter> holy... just updated my alpha of opera 10.5 to the latest build. I have never seen a browser this responsive.
[10:01] <thorwil> i hate when the browser runs away from the pointer or starts to giggle if i click it
[10:25] <zniavre_> darkmatter,  you should try firefox 3.6 , is at least faster than chrome
[10:27] <darkmatter> I use 3.6. I also play around with the latest opera. I refuse to touch chrome. it's like the rest of googles googlerific offerings. utter crap
[10:27] <vish> damn! kwwii takes neat fotos
[10:28] <zniavre_> darkmatter,  :o)
[10:34]  * darkmatter gets extremely bored and rewrites windowmaker using gtk+
[11:08] <darkmatter> neat: http://stashbox.org/705472/Bildschirmfoto.png
[17:32] <kwwii> morning all
[17:32] <kwwii> in case anyone is wondering, I am on the west coast of america this week
[17:59] <troy_s> kwwii: Where abouts?
[17:59] <troy_s> kwwii: You coming up here?
[18:01] <kwwii> troy_s: portland this week
[18:01] <troy_s> kwwii: You should make the trek up to Vancouver.
[18:01] <troy_s> kwwii: You are very close.
[18:02] <troy_s> kwwii: You over on this continent with family?
[18:03] <kwwii> nope, no family...with the canonical family :P
[18:03] <kwwii> how far is it?
[18:13] <troy_s> kwwii: not that far.
[18:13] <troy_s> kwwii: Sorry, no page... missed your type.
[18:14] <troy_s> kwwii: Let me see what GMaps pulls up... I seem to remember doing Portland in about 4ish hours.
[18:15] <troy_s> kwwii: Looks like GMaps says 505kms.
[18:15] <kwwii> troy_s: oops, sorry...I guess there is a train which runs up
[18:15] <troy_s> kwwii: Yes... there is much rail.
[18:16] <troy_s> kwwii: Even more up here than where you used to live in the US I'd think.
[18:16] <troy_s> kwwii: You would at least get to say you made it to Whistler.
[18:16] <kwwii> hehe
[18:16] <kwwii> troy_s: whistler?
[18:16] <troy_s> kwwii: Winter Olympics site.
[18:17] <kwwii> troy_s: ahhhh, now I get it
[18:17] <troy_s> kwwii: 2010.
[18:17] <troy_s> kwwii: So it's hopping.
[18:17] <kwwii> troy_s: yeah, I saw something about that on tv
[18:17] <troy_s> kwwii: Lol. Odd.
[18:18] <troy_s> kwwii: Who is all with you in Portland?
[18:18] <kwwii> troy_s: yeah, not sure why I didn't know about that...been watching all the winter sports in DE-land
[18:18] <kwwii> troy_s: platform team, server team, mobile team, design team, dx team
[18:18] <kwwii> about 102 people
[18:20] <troy_s> kwwii: Wow.
[18:22] <kwwii> troy_s: yeah, pretty big this time around
[18:25] <troy_s> kwwii: What's on the table?
[18:25] <troy_s> kwwii: Anything interesting?
[18:26] <kwwii> troy_s: it's the normal half-way through the cycle meeting to fix things and get back on track, basically
[18:26] <kwwii> troy_s: essentially time for us all to get together and deal with stuff face to face
[18:27] <troy_s> kwwii: What have you been working on?
[18:30] <kwwii> troy_s: mainly having meetings trying to explain tech stuff to designers
[18:30] <kwwii> :p
[18:30] <kwwii> troy_s: a bit of UNR and such as well
[18:33] <kwwii> brb, gotta reboot