[00:20] <SpeedrunnerG55> how can i restore my gnome-shell-theme.gresource?
[00:21] <SpeedrunnerG55> i think something has modified it and my activities screen is now buggy
[00:21] <tomreyn> what "something" might this have been?
[00:22] <tomreyn> you can --purge reinstall the pakcage it belongs to
[00:24] <tomreyn> sudo apt-get --purge --reinstall install gnome-shell-common
[00:25] <SpeedrunnerG55> ill try that
[00:26] <SpeedrunnerG55> rebooting
[00:33] <SpeedrunnerG55> that did not work
[00:40] <Bashing-om> SpeedrunnerG55: Might then try: Rename ./local/share/gnome-shell and reboot to see the effect ?
[00:43] <Yunnis> I wanna to make a LTG how can i do
[00:46] <SpeedrunnerG55> sudo mv ./local/share/gnome-shell ./local/share/gnome-shell-back
[00:46] <SpeedrunnerG55> [sudo] password for speed:
[00:46] <SpeedrunnerG55> mv: cannot stat './local/share/gnome-shell': No such file or directory
[00:47] <Bashing-om> SpeedrunnerG55: Hummm .. what release are you on ?
[00:48] <SpeedrunnerG55> 22.04
[00:51] <Bashing-om> SpeedrunnerG55: Sorry - I do not have 22.04 installed (yet) - I can not confirm that the file must exixt on 22.04 :(
[00:52] <Yunnis> How can i install tree
[00:53] <SpeedrunnerG55> sure its not ~/.local/share/gnome-shell?
[00:53] <Bashing-om> !info tree jammy | Yunnis
[00:54] <Yunnis> thanks
[00:54] <Bashing-om> Yunnis: ^ is the universe repo enabled on your install ?
[00:55] <Bashing-om> SpeedrunnerG55: All things as relitive . what shows from a ' ls ' command to that target ?
[00:56] <SpeedrunnerG55> application_state  extensions  gnome-overrides-migrated
[01:24] <JoeLlama> I installed ubuntu server for the first time and I'm at a command prompt... is there a GUI and how do I start it? :/
[01:24] <arraybolt3[m]> JoeLlama: Ubuntu Server intentionally does not include a GUI. If you want one, "sudo apt install lxqt" will get you a nice, lightweight GUI.
[01:25] <arraybolt3[m]> But if you need a GUI, maybe you're using Ubuntu Server wrong?
[01:25] <JoeLlama> well this is a Dell PowerEdge R720 with 80G of ram I wanna nice GUI :)
[01:25] <JoeLlama> also this is an "air-gapped" machine I will need to download from outside this box
[01:25] <arraybolt3[m]> I mean, a server is designed to be used mostly automatically by other computers - the only time you should be accessing it directly would be for configuration. You can install a desktop version of Ubuntu on server hardware.
[01:26] <JoeLlama> yes not using it as a server...
[01:26] <JoeLlama> just using it as a RAID box
[01:26] <JoeLlama> but I understand your words and their meaning (:
[01:26] <arraybolt3[m]> A RAID box - so you intend to use it like a normal computer but with a RAID hard drive setup, correct?
[01:26] <JoeLlama> I installed ubuntu server because I was told it had better drivers for this box
[01:27] <JoeLlama> yes arraybolt3[m]
[01:27] <arraybolt3[m]> If so, I'd install Lubuntu on it (that should help you deal with the poor graphics capabilities of a server, note that I am a Lubuntu contributor), then set it up to your heart's content. Lubuntu and Ubuntu Server are the same OS under the hood.
[01:27] <JoeLlama> I also have ubuntu desktop installed on another filesystem
[01:27] <arraybolt3[m]> Or, wait...
[01:27] <JoeLlama> I like lubuntu but...
[01:27] <JoeLlama> I think I prefer the full ubuntu install
[01:27] <arraybolt3[m]> Instead of that, if you already have Ubuntu Server set up with your RAID working properly, just install a GUI on top of that.
[01:28] <JoeLlama> hrm ok
[01:28] <arraybolt3[m]> Get apt-offline on the machine (you should be able to download the .deb, copy it over, and install it), then use it to update the package database, update the system's packages, and then install the GUI of your choice.
[01:28] <JoeLlama> can I run other programs?
[01:28] <JoeLlama> like editors and stuff right?
[01:28] <arraybolt3[m]> Yep.
[01:28] <JoeLlama> neat
[01:28] <JoeLlama> ok ok I do that then...
[01:28] <JoeLlama> I wanna decent gui...
[01:28] <arraybolt3[m]> Let me find you a good link to apt-offline...
[01:28] <JoeLlama> o k thanks!
[01:29] <arraybolt3[m]> (Note that servers generally have pathetic graphics capabilities, so you may want to go with a more lightweight GUI like XFCE and not something like GNOME.)
[01:29] <JoeLlama> I bought this Dell PowerEdge R720 wiht 8 hard drives and 80 G of ram for $100 USD did I get a good deal (:
[01:29] <JoeLlama> well ok ok light weight then
[01:30] <JoeLlama> I and using the GUI that comes with lubuntu so...
[01:30] <JoeLlama> I'll stick with that one I guess
[01:30] <arraybolt3[m]> JoeLlama: What version of Ubuntu Server are you running?
[01:30] <JoeLlama> that's the lxqt O
[01:30] <JoeLlama> I'll in stall that one
[01:30] <JoeLlama> the latest server
[01:31] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, one moment...
[01:31] <JoeLlama> cool thanks
[01:31] <JoeLlama> I am not a linux genius :/ so...  you know.
[01:31] <JoeLlama> but yeah this server box is a hoot
[01:32] <JoeLlama> sounds like an airplane taking off when you start it
[01:32] <arraybolt3[m]> JoeLlama: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt-offline/1.8.4-1/+build/23161117/+files/apt-offline_1.8.4-1_all.deb
[01:32] <arraybolt3[m]> Also, you'll probably need python3-magic, let me find that too...
[01:33] <JoeLlama> hrm that first link didn't load :(
[01:34] <JoeLlama> I try again
[01:34] <JoeLlama> oh I see it downloaded
[01:35] <arraybolt3[m]> JoeLlama: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-magic/2:0.4.24-2/+build/22356795/+files/python3-magic_0.4.24-2_all.deb
[01:36] <arraybolt3[m]> Install these two packages on the server, first python3-magic and then apt-offline. I can walk you through how to do that using the command line.
[01:40] <JoeLlama> ok arraybolt3[m]
[01:40] <JoeLlama> I trust you (: kinda
[01:40] <JoeLlama> it will take a minute or two gotta transfer it over
[01:41] <arraybolt3[m]> You can do a /whois command on me - it should identify me as an Ubuntu Member, which indicates that I made significant and sustained contributions to Ubuntu. Still, it's wise to be skeptical, since random strangers on the Internet can tell you to do things that will shred your computer. Thankfully there's enough people here that if anyone does that, the whole chat will jump on the offender and sound red alerts :)
[01:41] <JoeLlama> so this isn't the actual GUI
[01:41] <arraybolt3[m]> No, this is the tool that lets you install the GUI. We install the GUI after.
[01:42] <JoeLlama> oh yes... I'm sure someone would say something here
[01:42] <JoeLlama> o k neat...  I'll log the procedure for next time also...
[01:42] <JoeLlama> brb
[01:42] <JoeLlama> these are very small packages arraybolt3[m] transferring
[01:43] <arraybolt3[m]> True. The tool is quite small.
[01:43] <arraybolt3[m]> (I'm gonna switch to my IRC chat since it works faster - my nick is arraybolt3 on IRC.)
[01:44] <arraybolt3> And this is me!
[01:46] <arraybolt3> JoeLlama: How exactly are you transferring the packages - USB drive? If so, do you already know how to mount a USB drive?
[01:48] <JoeLlama> wow this is gunna take me a minute... once I have those installed what next arraybolt3?
[01:49] <arraybolt3> OK, one moment (I've done this before several times but I keep forgetting how to...)
[01:49] <JoeLlama> what is the link for the lxqt gui?
[01:49] <JoeLlama> hehe I keep forgetting too!
[01:49] <JoeLlama> but yeah the raid box will never "touch the wire" again (internet)
[01:50] <arraybolt3> JoeLlama: We aren't there yet. We used the links for downloading apt-offline since it had only a tiny number of dependencies, but LXQT has a TON of dependencies, which is what apt-offline helps us with.
[01:50] <arraybolt3> (Oh, wait, the box is connected to the Internet right now?)
[01:50] <JoeLlama> oh :/
[01:50] <JoeLlama> nope
[01:50] <JoeLlama> this box will never be on the internet ever
[01:50] <JoeLlama> air-gapped
[01:51] <JoeLlama> solves a lot of issues
[01:51] <arraybolt3> Ah, OK. You'll also need to have apt-offline on the system that can touch the Internet - are you on a Linux system right now or are you on Windows?
[01:51] <JoeLlama> basically it's going to be used for backup storage starting with RAID 6
[01:51] <JoeLlama> no this is lubuntu on this boxc
[01:51] <JoeLlama> I don't use windows on the internet
[01:52] <arraybolt3> Nice. OK, on the internet-connected box, do "sudo apt install apt-offline".
[01:52] <JoeLlama> oh ok
[01:52] <arraybolt3> Now, on the server, run "sudo apt-offline set update.sig --update".
[01:53] <arraybolt3> This will generate a file called "update.sig" on the server - transfer this file to the Internet-connected machine.
[01:53] <JoeLlama> done
[01:53] <JoeLlama> ok lemme do that
[01:53] <JoeLlama> done
[01:53] <JoeLlama> didn't do much
[01:53] <JoeLlama> oh um...
[01:54] <JoeLlama> wow... where is update.sig?
[01:54] <JoeLlama> wait oops
[01:54] <JoeLlama> did that wrong I did that on this box
[01:54] <JoeLlama> lemme get to the server
[01:54] <JoeLlama> this isn
[01:54] <JoeLlama> this isn't just a headache there is going to be drinking involved I suspect :(
[01:55] <arraybolt3> You'll have to go back and forth a few times - apt is a *pain* when using it offline.
[01:55] <arraybolt3> But it works thankfully.
[01:55] <arraybolt3> Once you have the update.sig file on the Internet-connected box, move it into its own folder, open a terminal in that folder, and then run "apt-offline get update.sig".
[01:56] <JoeLlama> ok ok I think I have to install the other files first...
[01:56] <JoeLlama> are you gunna be around for a bit arraybolt3?
[01:56] <arraybolt3> Yep.
[01:56] <arraybolt3> Oh, for installing apt-offline on the server itself...
[01:56] <JoeLlama> I will doc what you said and catch up to this point... gotta eat first so I don't pass out
[01:57] <JoeLlama> yeah it says apt-offline command not found
[01:57] <JoeLlama> gotta install it first
[01:57] <JoeLlama> I'll be back in a bit :)
[01:57] <arraybolt3> Smart idea. I went a bit too fast and forgot to have you install apt-offline :P
[01:57] <arraybolt3> But yeah, I'll be here when you get back most likely.
[01:57] <JoeLlama> i forget to eat while playing computers sometimes :(
[01:57] <JoeLlama> cool thanks for the help.  afk
[02:03] <WoC> is there an official channel of some sort for uBuntu Touch ?
[02:04] <Bashing-om> !touch | WoC
[02:05] <WoC> Ok, thanks
[02:05] <WoC> Touch down
[02:05] <Bashing-om> WoC: :D
[02:05] <WoC> :)
[02:07] <WoC> Getting ready to install ubports and if that works, maybe a chrooted ubuntu install on sdcard....
[02:09] <WoC> I think there is a method similar to debootstrap that can be used for that, iirc
[03:28] <SpeedrunnerG55> how can i reset my gnome-shell theme to default?
[03:51] <boltonb> Hey, could someone ping me? Want to make sure I got pings set up right
[03:53] <arraybolt3> boltonb: \o
[03:54] <boltonb> THanks!
[03:54] <arraybolt3> (Also, quick tip, typing "!ping | username" will ping you.)
[03:54] <arraybolt3> !ping | boltonb
[03:54] <orca_> boltonb,
[03:54] <boltonb> That is good to know. Thank you!
[03:54] <arraybolt3> Glad to help!
[03:54] <orca_> :D
[03:55] <boltonb> !ping | boltonb
[03:55] <boltonb> THere we go. Now I got it set up correctly
[04:10] <SpeedrunnerG55> idk how to reset my gnome shell back to default
[04:11] <SpeedrunnerG55> i tried dconf reset -f /org/gnome/, but it did not reset the theme
[04:16] <murmel> SpeedrunnerG55: it should be under the extensions part (as you need an extension for the shell theme)
[04:18] <SpeedrunnerG55> it says user theme extention not enabled
[04:21] <murmel> SpeedrunnerG55: so you would have the default anyway. or if you want to reset, just enable it, reset, disable again?
[04:21] <SpeedrunnerG55> how, do i do that?
[04:22] <murmel> SpeedrunnerG55: gnome-extensions enable <extension>
[04:24] <SpeedrunnerG55> but, i only have the desktop icons extention
[04:25] <SpeedrunnerG55> https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/19/user-themes/ is this the extention i need?
[04:26] <murmel> SpeedrunnerG55: yes
[04:28] <murmel> SpeedrunnerG55: how did you even change the shell theme without that extension?
[04:29] <SpeedrunnerG55> i dont know, mabe i had it installed at one point then removed it
[04:29] <SpeedrunnerG55> i just know while using the default theme, I have some graphical glitches
[04:56] <JoeLlama> arraybolt3
[04:56] <arraybolt3[m]> 👋
[04:56] <JoeLlama> heh hi :)
[04:56] <JoeLlama> bak...
[04:56] <arraybolt3> OK, so to install apt-offline on the server, first use "cd" to change to the directory where the .apt files you downloaded earlier are at.
[04:57] <JoeLlama> I did the sudo apt-offline set update.sig --update on the server but it errored out :(
[04:57] <arraybolt3> Then run "ls" to see the file names.
[04:57] <JoeLlama> yeah got those files installed
[04:57] <arraybolt3> OK, if they're installed, you can try the apt-offline command again.
[04:57] <JoeLlama> it said in the error there were zero bytes in that file
[04:57] <arraybolt3> Can you type out the error for me?
[04:57] <JoeLlama> something about no payload...
[04:58] <JoeLlama> yeah gotta type it across takes a sec
[04:58] <JoeLlama> This is usually the case whwen the underneath apt system has no payload to download
[04:58] <JoeLlama> says there are 0 bytes in the file update.sig
[04:59] <arraybolt3> And this is on the server, right? After installing both of the packages you downloaded at first?
[04:59] <JoeLlama> it did create the file on my flash drive
[04:59] <JoeLlama> yes on server
[04:59] <JoeLlama> yup
[04:59] <JoeLlama> python3 and the apt-offline thing
[04:59] <arraybolt3> Odd... it works for me over here...
[05:00] <arraybolt3> And you're sure you aren't making any typos?
[05:00] <JoeLlama> This is not just a headache... there will be drinking involved
[05:00] <JoeLlama> hrm lemme look
[05:01] <JoeLlama> oh also says malformed entry 3 in list file and shows a directory/file
[05:01] <arraybolt3> Try "apt-offline set set.uris --update".
[05:01] <JoeLlama> sources.list
[05:01] <JoeLlama> URI parse
[05:01] <JoeLlama> hrm just changing the name but ok...
[05:01] <arraybolt3> Hmm, look in /etc/apt/sources.list and see what's in there.
[05:01] <arraybolt3> Did you make any changes to it?
[05:01] <JoeLlama> no
[05:01] <JoeLlama> this is a fresh install
[05:02] <JoeLlama> so do that first look at sources.list?
[05:02] <arraybolt3> Yeah, take a look.
[05:02] <JoeLlama> ok how do I list that file?
[05:02] <arraybolt3> nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:03] <JoeLlama> oh lots in there :)
[05:03] <JoeLlama> red and blue lines
[05:03] <JoeLlama> says jammy a lot
[05:03] <arraybolt3> Hmm, maybe it will help to just rewrite the file from scratch. One moment...
[05:04] <JoeLlama> ?!
[05:04] <arraybolt3> JoeLlama: Don't worry, it's easy.
[05:04] <JoeLlama> sheesh this is getting hard (: heh
[05:04] <JoeLlama> o k good I like easy
[05:04] <arraybolt3> JoeLlama: What country are you in? It affects what I need to put in the file.
[05:04] <JoeLlama> oh um.. usa
[05:05]  * JoeLlama gets a bottle of cheap scotch out
[05:05] <arraybolt3> Nice, that's where I'm at too. OK, press Ctrl+X to exit.
[05:05] <JoeLlama> seriously, I'm doing that
[05:05] <arraybolt3> Now type "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" - that will let us edit the file.
[05:05] <JoeLlama> oh ok
[05:05] <arraybolt3> Next, press and hold Ctrl+K until everything has been wiped out of the file.
[05:05] <arraybolt3> Then when that's done, type these contents into it: https://pastebin.com/qW6CATU8
[05:05] <JoeLlama> I'm in superuser mode
[05:06] <arraybolt3> (The link goes to a working sources.list file for Ubuntu 22.04 pointing to USA mirrors.)
[05:06] <JoeLlama> *sigh* gotta swap the flash drive out...
[05:06] <JoeLlama> I have to umount it right?
[05:06] <arraybolt3> Yeah.
[05:06] <JoeLlama> ok ok lemme do that
[05:07] <JoeLlama> takes a sec... I like the pic of the lady on that page
[05:07] <arraybolt3> That's... weird, I'm guessing it's an ad.
[05:07] <arraybolt3> You might want to install an adblocker into your browser, that will make your Internet usage much less crazy.
[05:08] <arraybolt3> (I always use an adblocker, so it just looks like text with a simple user interface to me.)
[05:09] <aaaaal> I bork'd my grub. On boot it shows grub2 and grub legacy instead of ubuntu and advanced. help?
[05:09] <arraybolt3> Once you have the file rewritten in this way, press Ctrl+S to save, then Ctrl+X to exit.
[05:09] <arraybolt3> aaaaal: What happens when you select grub2?
[05:09] <aaaaal> nothing
[05:10] <arraybolt3> aaaaal: Do you have a live USB you can boot from?
[05:10] <JoeLlama> i can just replace the file right?
[05:10] <arraybolt3> (Also, what did you do that caused GRUB to go bonkers?)
[05:10] <arraybolt3> JoeLlama: Yep.
[05:10] <JoeLlama> o k ! copy right over it...
[05:10] <aaaaal> yes https://bpa.st/2CHA https://bpa.st/4IEQ
[05:11] <arraybolt3> JoeLlama: Once that's done, try that same apt-offline command again.
[05:11] <arraybolt3> aaaaal: Is this a BIOS or EFI system?
[05:12] <aaaaal> bios
[05:12] <arraybolt3> (I suspect BIOS since there's no /boot/efi directory.)
[05:12] <arraybolt3> OK, try "sudo grub-install /dev/sdX" where /dev/sdX is the boot drive of the system.
[05:12] <JoeLlama> so to copy it I use cp ?
[05:12] <arraybolt3> JoeLlama: Yes.
[05:13]  * JoeLlama watches arraybolt3 multitask
[05:13] <aaaaal> I think it did that with apt install grub-pc.
[05:13] <arraybolt3> cp /path/to/sourcefile /path/to/targetfile
[05:13] <arraybolt3> aaaaal: You're right. Do you have multiple drives in this system?
[05:14] <aaaaal> sort of, one is root the other swap
[05:14] <arraybolt3> aaaaal: So two physical drives, one partition on each, and one is used solely for swap? Or one physical drive with two partitions?
[05:14] <aaaaal> drive yes
[05:14] <aaaaal> it's a vm
[05:14] <arraybolt3> aaaaal: Maybe the VM is accidentally trying to boot from the wrong drive and said wrong drive somehow has a weird bootloader on it.
[05:15] <arraybolt3> See if you can change the boot order.
[05:15] <JoeLlama> ok that worked lemme try the apt-offline thing again
[05:15] <JoeLlama> wow it just copies and doesn't warn you that you're gunna overwrite the file huh...
[05:16] <arraybolt3> JoeLlama: True. Such is the reality of many parts of the command line. So be careful and avoid typos when doing things with sensitive files.
[05:16] <aaaaal> arraybolt3: maybe but I did mark the correct one with * during apt install
[05:16] <arraybolt3> aaaaal: Right, but if the boot loader is properly installed and has the proper configuration, yet you're still seeing this weirdness, then it may be a weird bootloader on the wrong drive.
[05:16] <arraybolt3> aaaaal: Or maybe your grub.cfg file is getting generated improperly.
[05:16] <JoeLlama> I think it worked I now have an update,sig file
[05:17] <arraybolt3> JoeLlama: Fantastic. Transfer that to the Internet-connected machine.
[05:17] <arraybolt3> aaaaal: Can you share the contents of /boot/grub/grub.cfg with us, using a pastebin service?
[05:17]  * arraybolt3 likes multitasking
[05:17] <JoeLlama> o k !
[05:18] <JoeLlama> always umount the flash drive before removing right?
[05:18] <JoeLlama> I assume that flushes buffers
[05:18] <arraybolt3> Yes, always umount.
[05:18] <arraybolt3> It makes sure everything is in a consistent state before you unplug the drive (which includes buffer flushing).
[05:18] <murmel> yes
[05:19] <JoeLlama> flash drive is in internet box
[05:19] <JoeLlama> it is quite the file I looked at it
[05:19] <arraybolt3> JoeLlama: Nice. Now open a terminal in the directory containing the update.sig file, and run "apt-offline get update.sig --bundle update.zip".
[05:19] <arraybolt3> (You can open a terminal by going to the folder with the file manager, clicking Tools, and clicking "Open Terminal".)
[05:20] <arraybolt3> (Assuming you're on Lubuntu, which I think you said you were.)
[05:20] <JoeLlama> wow ok it's going to be a large file or files huh
[05:20] <JoeLlama> the flash drive is small :(
[05:20] <JoeLlama> yes this box is lubuntu
[05:20] <arraybolt3> JoeLlama: It's not gonna be too huge, but using a .zip keeps it as one file and not a ton of tiny files.
[05:20] <JoeLlama> computer was made in 2007 :)
[05:20] <arraybolt3> \o/ Love seeing Linux revive old hardware!
[05:21] <JoeLlama> well the flash drive is 1G and has stuff on it
[05:21] <JoeLlama> I will temp save to another directory
[05:21] <JoeLlama> yes arraybolt3 I am into old machines
[05:21] <arraybolt3> JoeLlama: You should be good for now... but potentially look for a bigger flash drive since the system update and the LXQt download could be pretty large.
[05:21] <JoeLlama> I have probably 27 of these boxes alone
[05:21] <JoeLlama> right
[05:21] <JoeLlama> I stick a 256G in there
[05:22] <JoeLlama> ok so lemme do this first
[05:23] <JoeLlama> oOo it's cookin'
[05:23] <arraybolt3> Woot!
[05:23] <JoeLlama> it's giving up on a few urls
[05:23] <arraybolt3> That's fine.
[05:23] <JoeLlama> yup I figured
[05:23] <arraybolt3> I've seen it do things like that before and everything still worked.
[05:24] <JoeLlama> in linux I see LOTS of things that apparently say fail but it all still works
[05:24] <arraybolt3> LOL yup.
[05:24] <arraybolt3> We do try to fix some of those, but sometimes it just is what it is. As long as everything still functions on my end, I'm happy.
[05:24] <JoeLlama> yes there are a lotta ones that it gives up on the .lzma sites
[05:24] <JoeLlama> yup yup functions happy
[05:25] <JoeLlama> ok I got update.zip
[05:25] <arraybolt3> Nice. Now shuttle that back over to the airgapped machine.
[05:25] <JoeLlama> oh and it's small
[05:25] <JoeLlama> ok ok
[05:26] <arraybolt3> Also now's about the time that you'll want that 256GB drive, since the next download we'll be doing after this will be closer to 3/4 of a gigabyte.
[05:26] <JoeLlama> okee dokee now what?
[05:26] <JoeLlama> oh wow ok
[05:26] <arraybolt3> Alright, now that you have the file there, the command to run is... wait, lemme find it
[05:26] <JoeLlama> oh heh
[05:26] <arraybolt3> sudo apt-offline install update.zip
[05:27] <JoeLlama> glad you don't remember some of these things actually
[05:27] <JoeLlama> o k no sudo don't need it :)
[05:27] <arraybolt3> (Obviously do this from within the directory containing the zip file.)
[05:27] <JoeLlama> it's okay to be in superuser mode right?
[05:27] <arraybolt3> Ah, right, forgot you're in superuser mode.
[05:27] <JoeLlama> ok ok
[05:27] <arraybolt3> Assuming you're careful, it's *usually* OK.
[05:28] <arraybolt3> (Don't try to start the X server from within superuser mode though, or you may be sad.)
[05:28] <arraybolt3> JoeLlama: Once that's finished, the package databases should be updated and we can install all the updates for Ubuntu.
[05:28] <arraybolt3> The next command is:
[05:28] <JoeLlama> it would help if i copied the file first :(
[05:29] <arraybolt3> Oh no...
[05:30] <JoeLlama> ok got it now what?
[05:30] <arraybolt3> apt-offline install update.zip
[05:31] <JoeLlama> i should copy this all down
[05:31] <JoeLlama> ok
[05:31] <JoeLlama> ok dodne
[05:31] <JoeLlama> oops done
[05:31] <arraybolt3> JoeLlama: Nice. Next, "apt-offline set upgrade.sig --upgrade".
[05:32] <JoeLlama> on the server right?
[05:32] <arraybolt3> Yes.
[05:32] <arraybolt3> This will let us install all of the updated Ubuntu packages so that things go as well as possible.
[05:32] <arraybolt3> Once you have that file, move it to the internet connected machine. I recommend you have your big flash drive here.
[05:33] <JoeLlama> error no option specified to set commmand
[05:33] <JoeLlama> oh !
[05:33] <JoeLlama> nevermind (: heh
[05:33] <JoeLlama> ok done
[05:34] <JoeLlama> I see it now copys the information back to upgrade.sig because the environment changed
[05:34] <JoeLlama> ok and now we need the big flash drive right?
[05:34] <arraybolt3> Yes.
[05:34] <JoeLlama> it will take a minute or two
[05:34] <arraybolt3> No problem. I get that this is a hassle, hopefully you will only have to do this rarely.
[05:35] <arraybolt3> Now would be a good time to think about what apps you want on this machine other than just the desktop, since this ordeal is going to be a normal part of installing software on an airgapped machine.
[05:35] <arraybolt3> So if we do it all now, it will take less effort than doing it again later.
[05:39] <JoeLlama> well i want lots of apps
[05:40] <JoeLlama> like the libra writer and excel equiv
[05:40] <JoeLlama> etc
[05:40] <JoeLlama> so I got a wide open 256G flash drive with upgrade.sig on it
[05:40] <JoeLlama> ready to go :)
[05:41] <arraybolt3> OK. Next command is "apt-offline get upgrade.sig --bundle upgrade.zip"
[05:41] <JoeLlama> basically I want what ubuntu desktop comes with as far as apps
[05:41] <JoeLlama> o k this is a big one right?
[05:41] <arraybolt3> Yes, it will probably take a while if you're on a slow or medium speed connection.
[05:41] <arraybolt3> I mean, what's your Internet speeds like?
[05:42] <JoeLlama> oh ok that was a short file
[05:42] <JoeLlama> no it's done :(
[05:43] <arraybolt3> Hmm, what's the size of upgrade.zip like?
[05:43] <JoeLlama> file size is 0 bytes
[05:43] <arraybolt3> OK that's not right.
[05:43] <JoeLlama> yeah :(
[05:43] <JoeLlama> nope
[05:43] <arraybolt3> upgrade.sig has stuff in it right?
[05:43] <JoeLlama> lemme look
[05:43] <JoeLlama> 2 KiB
[05:44] <JoeLlama> so not much
[05:44] <arraybolt3> Yeah, that sounds about normal to me.
[05:44] <JoeLlama> lemme open it
[05:44] <arraybolt3> But the zip really should have stuff in it.
[05:44] <JoeLlama> yup therre is stuff in there
[05:44] <JoeLlama> right zip stuff
[05:45] <arraybolt3> Are you sure you didn't make a typo?
[05:45] <JoeLlama> lemme look
[05:45] <JoeLlama> sudo apt-offline get upgrade.sig --bundle upgrade.zip
[05:46] <arraybolt3> Also make sure you ran this command in the same folder that contained upgrade.sig. Also, drop the sudo, that isn't needed there.
[05:46] <JoeLlama> oh ok
[05:46] <JoeLlama> I try without sudo
[05:46] <arraybolt3> (sudo is for the server, downloading stuff doesn't need it.)
[05:46] <arraybolt3> (And you're in superuser mode on the server so you don't need sudo there either.)
[05:46] <JoeLlama> gotta delete the zip file
[05:47] <JoeLlama> no not in su mode on internet box
[05:47] <JoeLlama> but I can change that
[05:47] <arraybolt3> No, you don't need su mode on the internet box.
[05:47] <arraybolt3> I meant, you only need to be executing things as sudo on the server, not on the internet box.
[05:48] <arraybolt3> (Sorry, realizing I might sound snippy, tone doesn't come through well over text)
[05:48] <JoeLlama> ok gotta close a few things system is running too slow
[05:48] <JoeLlama> ran it again 0 bytes :(
[05:49] <arraybolt3> Does it give you any error messages?
[05:49] <JoeLlama> no you don't seem snippy
[05:49] <JoeLlama> well hold on
[05:49] <JoeLlama> starts out like this (mini flood)
[05:49] <arraybolt3> WAIT!
[05:49] <JoeLlama> Downloading 1
[05:49] <JoeLlama> Exception in thread Thread-1:
[05:49] <JoeLlama> Traceback (most recent call last):
[05:49] <JoeLlama>   File "/usr/lib/python3.8/threading.py", line 932, in _bootstrap_inner
[05:49] <JoeLlama>     self.run()
[05:49] <arraybolt3> Use a pastebin... oh no.
[05:49] <Apachez> too late
[05:50] <Apachez> missed in action
[05:50] <arraybolt3> JoeLlama: You won't be able to say anything for about 60 seconds - there's an antiflood bot in here.
[05:50] <Apachez> he can say things but noone will hear him scream :)
[05:50] <arraybolt3> If you want to share large amounts of output, you can use a pastebin service like bpa.st.
[05:50] <arraybolt3> I'll let you know when the bot unmutes you.
[05:50] <JoeLlama> heh
[05:50] <Apachez> now!
[05:51] <Apachez> go go go!
[05:51] <JoeLlama> pastebin :)
[05:51] <Apachez> the floodgates are open
[05:51] <JoeLlama> what's the url?
[05:51] <arraybolt3> bpa.st
[05:51] <Apachez> pastebin.com
[05:51] <arraybolt3> Either one should work.
[05:59] <arraybolt3> Hey there you are.
[05:59] <arraybolt3> I saw your thing timed out.
[05:59] <JoeLlama> something was chewing up my CPU
[05:59] <JoeLlama> machine got ultra slow
[05:59] <JoeLlama> then bsically locked
[05:59] <arraybolt3> Sounds like you used up too much RAM. Maybe close some browser tabs?
[05:59] <JoeLlama> ok ok so um... back to this thingy
[05:59] <JoeLlama> only have 6 GB on this box
[06:00] <arraybolt3> Right. Can you put that error message in a pastebin and send the link?
[06:00] <JoeLlama> 80 GB on the server
[06:00] <JoeLlama> yup gotta do the thingy again
[06:00] <JoeLlama> apt-offline get upgrade.sig --bundle upgrade.zip
[06:00] <JoeLlama> brb
[06:00] <arraybolt3> (Also, not that it's a bad idea, but is there a reason you're keeping your 80GB machine airgapped? Things will be so much easier if you can solve the problems without airgapping.)
[06:01] <arraybolt3> JoeLlama: Also, that command needs to be run on the Internet-connected machine, just in case.
[06:03] <JoeLlama> https://pastebin.com/KWR2SQED
[06:03] <JoeLlama> yup internet box
[06:03] <JoeLlama> I like the girl pic
[06:04] <JoeLlama> oh wait there are more
[06:04] <arraybolt3> Hmm... what version of Lubuntu is on your Internet-connected box?
[06:04] <JoeLlama> how do I find out?
[06:04] <arraybolt3> Run "neofetch".
[06:04] <arraybolt3> If the command doesn't exist, do "sudo apt install neofetch" first.
[06:04] <arraybolt3> (There's another way to do it but neofetch looks nicer.)
[06:05] <arraybolt3> (And I can't remember the other way :P)
[06:05] <JoeLlama> Ubuntu 20.04.4 LTS x86_64
[06:05] <arraybolt3> That's probably the problem. I'm guessing something changes in apt-offline that has made it incompatible with the old version.
[06:05] <arraybolt3> s/changes/changed/
[06:05] <JoeLlama> I like neofetch
[06:06] <JoeLlama> how to upgrade my box then?
[06:06] <arraybolt3> Well... you should probably back up your data *before* trying an upgrade.
[06:06] <JoeLlama> oh
[06:06] <JoeLlama> hrm this is getting complicated :(
[06:06] <arraybolt3> Upgrades are known for occasionally going horribly wrong :(
[06:07] <JoeLlama> yup
[06:07] <JoeLlama> well...
[06:07] <JoeLlama> just copy home out to the flash drive?
[06:07] <arraybolt3> That, and also make sure to save any passwords saved in the browser.
[06:08] <JoeLlama> I never save passwords in browsers
[06:08] <JoeLlama> ok backing up
[06:08] <arraybolt3> OK, good. (I have tons of passwords in Chrome, but I also use Sync and am signed into my Google account so it backs them up for me \o/)
[06:08] <JoeLlama> hrm...
[06:08] <JoeLlama> yeah no not interested in that...
[06:08] <JoeLlama> ok so like keeping my irc client opene might mess that up...
[06:08] <JoeLlama> eh
[06:09] <JoeLlama> i don't care
[06:09] <JoeLlama> besides... what could go wrong?
[06:09] <arraybolt3> Well, you should be able to extract your data later if you need to, so if you really want to proceed without a backup...
[06:09] <arraybolt3> sudo do-release-upgrade --allow-third-party
[06:09] <JoeLlama> so all I need is the home folder copied right?
[06:09] <arraybolt3> Yes, copy the home folder.
[06:10] <arraybolt3> It's much safer to do that *first*, before running the command I put above.
[06:10] <JoeLlama> this will take a while
[06:10] <JoeLlama> right
[06:10] <arraybolt3> Take your time, I've dealt with many a slow backup before.
[06:10] <JoeLlama> what could go wrong... right?
[06:11] <JoeLlama> well this box from 2007 has USB 1.0 on it :(
[06:11] <arraybolt3> Well, theoretically the worst that could happen is a borked OS, but depending on what borked, it might be catastrophic.
[06:11] <arraybolt3> How much data do you have in /home?
[06:11] <JoeLlama> the hardware is capable of 2.0 from what I can tell
[06:11] <JoeLlama> um.. a bunch of data
[06:11] <JoeLlama> most of my data is kept outside the box
[06:11] <arraybolt3> Ah, OK. Maybe only copy what you need and leave out things like the Downloads folder.
[06:12] <JoeLlama> hrm... nothing in downloads I hope lemme look
[06:13] <JoeLlama> next to nothing
[06:13] <JoeLlama> this is going to take forever :(
[06:14] <JoeLlama> so... how 'bout them angels? (sports)
[06:14] <arraybolt3> JoeLlama: Unsure. If you run /join #ubuntu-offtopic in your IRC client you might find people who know more :)
[06:15] <enyc> JoeLlama: odd, which version ubuntu you runinng on the old box,  and what make/moder of machine or mobo ?
[06:15] <JoeLlama> um... no...  I think I just meant this will take some time so...  I'll run that command when it's done backing up
[06:15] <arraybolt3> Oh LOL.
[06:16] <JoeLlama> oh enyc this is a Dell Inspiron 1720
[06:16]  * enyc just been sorting out mobos/computers/etc reinstall ubuntu-deriv etc etc ;O
[06:16] <JoeLlama> usually don't like to tell people that :/ but it's okay... it's from 2007
[06:17] <JoeLlama> I have a large pile of these...  if anyone knows how I can make the GForce 8600M work with ubuntu please let me know
[06:17] <JoeLlama> this box does not that that graphic card
[06:17] <arraybolt3> JoeLlama: Sadly that would require using an old version of Ubuntu most likely thanks to how outdated graphics drivers work :(
[06:17] <JoeLlama> right
[06:17] <JoeLlama> I did figure that out
[06:18] <JoeLlama> and it's sad because pretty much every box has that graphics card in it
[06:18] <arraybolt3> All the USB ports should be USB 2. I guess USB 2 is just slow?
[06:18] <JoeLlama> these ports are USB 1.0
[06:18] <enyc> JoeLlama: I would agree its' usb2.0  -- just 480mbps USB-2 speed will copy at that 40mbytes/sec sort of speed
[06:18] <enyc> JoeLlama: Thats' inconsistent with other info, and doesn't make sense for era of machine.
[06:19] <arraybolt3> You could also dual-boot Windows Vista if you need stuff that requires the (genuienly pathetic) GPU in the machine.
[06:19] <JoeLlama> yes enyc for some reason Dell made them 1.0 but the hardware can do 2.0
[06:19] <enyc> For older nvidia card, I recall it working fine with ''nouveau''.
[06:19] <enyc> JoeLlama: wheres' the evidence for that?
[06:19] <JoeLlama> I think it's still just setting up for transfer it still hasn't even created a directory on the flash drive yet
[06:20] <JoeLlama> yes I think they used to work fine with nouveau but after 16.04 not so much :(
[06:20] <arraybolt3> It might take a bit for it to kick in.
[06:20] <JoeLlama> I don't need fast graphics I just need them to work
[06:20] <JoeLlama> yes arraybolt3
[06:20] <arraybolt3> (The transfer I mean - but I guess you already noticed that.)
[06:21] <arraybolt3> JoeLlama: You're getting some sort of graphics output on your screen in Lubuntu, right?
[06:21] <JoeLlama> ok finally it figured out a time... about 18 hours :(
[06:21] <JoeLlama> *sigh* I will drop in another hard drive
[06:21] <arraybolt3> If so, nouveau is doing its job. It's just that nouveau is less than great.
[06:21] <JoeLlama> no this box does not have the nvidia graphics in it
[06:22] <JoeLlama> I have one or two boxes that don't
[06:22] <JoeLlama> I think this is intel
[06:22] <arraybolt3> Oh. That explains it.
[06:22] <enyc> JoeLlama: I could reccomend looking for a 2nd-hand Thinkpad xx80 L380 X380 X280 T480 L480  and so-on , intel graphics is acutally quite good comparatively on those things and nicely linux supported, imho =)  There are versions with discrete graphics too =)).
[06:22] <JoeLlama> yeah I had to search for a box without those graphics
[06:22] <JoeLlama> yes that would be great enyc but...  I have about 60 computers as it is :/
[06:22] <enyc> JoeLlama: why?
[06:23] <JoeLlama> enyc: why not?
[06:23] <JoeLlama> oh good new estimate is  22 hours
[06:23] <enyc> better resold/repurposed by somebody who can? ;-O
[06:23] <arraybolt3> We crazy people (me included) like getting ancient systems to work.
[06:24] <JoeLlama> 22.5 GB
[06:24] <JoeLlama> yeah I'm a crazy people
[06:24] <arraybolt3> I still have 32-bit desktops over here with *megabytes* of RAM that I'm considering turning into Debian systems.
[06:24] <arraybolt3> But that's off-topic.
[06:24] <JoeLlama> yup
[06:25] <arraybolt3> Do we want to pick this up tomorrow when the backup finishes?
[06:25] <JoeLlama> well i think I'm gunna stop the transfer and put a HD in here
[06:25] <JoeLlama> yeah probably...
[06:25] <arraybolt3> Probably a good idea.
[06:25] <arraybolt3> (The HDD I mean.)
[06:25] <JoeLlama> what was that command to upgrade again?
[06:25] <arraybolt3> sudo do-release-upgrade --allow-third-party
[06:25] <JoeLlama> o k !
[06:26] <arraybolt3> Alrighty, see you when you get back! I'll probably be asleep by the time you're here again, but ping me and I'll notice it on my Matrix chat that I have connected here.
[06:27] <elias_a> I confirm that second hand Thinkpads and Ubuntu are a good combination. When buying, do the usual checks on linux compatibility and preferably get a relatively new second hand laptop with factory warranty still left if some issues would arise. The retailers of used leasing gear are not always so thorough in checking the devices.
[06:28] <JoeLlama> yeah ok and I will scroll back to find the other upgrade thingy thanks arraybolt3
[06:28] <elias_a> This is what I have bought myself for over 20 years by now. :)
[06:29] <JoeLlama> apt-offline get upgrade.sig --bundle upgrade.zip
[06:29] <JoeLlama> oh arraybolt3 once I get that what do I do?
[06:29] <JoeLlama> transfer that flash drive to the server I assume
[06:30] <JoeLlama> ok installing 1 TB drive...
[06:41] <arraybolt3> JoeLlama: Yep, transfer the file to the server once you're done.
[08:07] <Guest9844> Hello
[08:08] <Guest9844> After my installing Ubuntu 22.04 why i'm getting many SSL error messages from nignx error.log?
[08:08] <Guest9844> SSL_read() failed (SSL: error:0A000126:SSL routines::unexpected eof while reading) while keepalive, client: <IP_ADDRESS>, server: <IP_ADDRESS>:443
[08:08] <Guest9844> and more...
[08:41] <tomreyn> Guest9844: hi! so you installed ubuntu 22.04, then installed nignx, added a virtualhost configuration and an ssl key/certificate, and got this error message?
[08:42] <tomreyn> did you install any pending updates, yet?   sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[08:42] <Exterminador> stupid question: apparently my disk is GPT. so I assume I need to create a bootable USB with a GPT partition instead MBR, right?
[08:43] <tomreyn> Exterminador: you can use MBR or GPT partition table types with any disk, it's your choice.
[08:43] <tomreyn> (you can also choose to not use a partition table)
[08:44] <Exterminador> in this case I'm going to dual-boot, so I guess I need to respect the partition table?
[08:45] <tomreyn> if there's already data on the disk, sure
[08:47] <Exterminador> alright, thanks.
[08:49] <tomreyn> Exterminador: if your firmware supports efi booting, and the other OS(es) do, too, then it's probably your best choice (in terms of compatibility, data security) to have gpt partitions everywhere.
[08:53] <Guest9844> tomreyn: Yes. I have the same issue here https://github.com/openssl/openssl/issues/18866
[08:55] <tomreyn> Guest9844: so you're apparently using third party nginx packages, which cause these errors. and have not updated the system, yet
[08:56] <Exterminador> tomreyn: well, I just received this SFF tower yesterday with Windows pre-installed on it. and on Windows diskpart, when I do `list disk`, disk 0 has an asterisk (*) under GPT. so, I just created a bootable USB stick with a GPT partition to install Ubuntu and all seems to going well with the installation so far
[08:57] <Guest9844> tomreyn: I'm using; nginx version: nginx/1.18.0 (Ubuntu)
[08:57] <VIA> oi o/
[08:58] <Guest9844> Ubuntu 22.04 is stable?
[08:58] <tomreyn> Guest9844: ah, sorry, i may have read this github issue wrong, apparently it does occur with only ubuntu packages if the system is not fully updated. well, install updates.
[08:59] <Guest9844> Ok. I will re-install the system and will message you if i get stuck
[09:00] <tomreyn> Guest9844: no need to reinstall
[09:01] <tomreyn> Guest9844: and yes, 22.04.1 should be mostly stable by now.
[09:01] <Guest9844> ok, thanks
[09:13] <Exterminador> alright. so far, so good about the dual-boot. stupid question here: does GPT get rid of the `cannot create more partitions` thing?
[09:26] <tomreyn> Guest9844: i just looked more into this. apparently you will see such error messages when misbehaving clients close the connection without first sending a 'close notify' call/packet to shut down the SSL connection. nginx 1.18 (in ubuntu) with openssl 3.0 handles these situations with the error messages you posted. newer nginx versions handle these situations more gracefully and with better error messages.
[09:26] <tomreyn> https://github.com/openssl/openssl/issues/11378 is a much better description of this issue.
[09:31] <Guest9844> What should i do? updating the nginx? i'm not sure if there's exists stable newer version of nginx
[09:33] <Guest9844> "For those using Ubuntu 20.04 LTS, you might have noticed that installing Nginx directly from its repository does not install the latest stable or mainline version."
[09:34] <cbreak> consider using 22.04 instead of 20.04 for new installations
[09:35] <tomreyn> Guest9844: you can just live with the messages, optionally see if you can upgrade some of the clients to software sending the "notify close" packets.
[09:37] <tomreyn> if you dislike the error messages for some reason, you could choose to use nginx.org's apt repository and thus the newer nginx version. i do not know what promises they make in terms of version stability or security support, though.
[09:38] <cbreak> in case you absolutely can't live with the versions of software in the LTS ubuntu, you can try a non-lts one once it's released (this will require you to upgrade much more often though), or install what ever you want in an LXC container / Docker container / ...
[10:12] <aaaaal> arraybolt3: https://bpa.st/CLTA
[10:28] <flaf> Hi. I'm using Ubuntu 22.04 (migrated from 20.04) and the automatic lock screen doesn't lock my session, it directly *closes" my session (and if I had an running application in my previous session, for instance Firefox, this application is off when I reopen my session). Do you have an idea for this problem?
[10:30] <tarzeau> flaf: can you try creating a new user for yourself, and check if it still happens with that one?
[10:30] <tarzeau> flaf: or can you see anything in .xsession-errors ? is that x or wayland?
[10:32] <tomreyn> also check    journalctl -eb   for (sig)segf(aults)
[10:36] <flaf> tarzeau: I have a ~/.xsession-errors but the mtime is "Dec 10 2019" so it's not relevant. X or wayland, how can I say that?
[10:37] <tarzeau> flaf: if echo $DISPLAY returns something likely x, otherwise not x
[10:37] <flaf> it's “:0” in my case.
[10:38] <tarzeau> flaf: that's X not wayland... i've also done a lot of 20.04 to 22.04 migrations, but didn't notice such problem
[10:39] <flaf> tarzeau: I will check with a new account. Let me 5 minutes...
[10:43] <flaf> tomreyn: https://gist.github.com/flaf/614d8c7657ed8f93578fbde8ce5c52cb <= the output of the command.
[10:52] <tomreyn> flaf<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Failed with result 'core-dump'.
[10:52] <tomreyn> thats the first line from your log (at 12:10)
[10:53] <tomreyn> looks like wayland dumped core. reason unknown.
[10:54] <tomreyn> i can't tell whenyou last locked the screen, though, maybe exactly then
[10:59] <flaf> tomreyn: I have tested with a new account, same problem.
[10:59] <flaf> I don't known if it's relevant but I have 2 screens.
[11:03] <tomreyn> flaf: tarzeau had actually asked about this. here's a different question: are you using nvidia proprietary graphics drivers?
[11:04] <tomreyn> s/asked about this/suggested to try with a new user account/
[11:09] <flaf> tomreyn: concerning nvdia, I'm not sure but I don't think so. How can I check that?
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> flaf: sudo lshw -C video && nvidia-smi
[11:15] <dionysus69> kubuntu hangs on boot, the last line is `setvtrgb.service` any ideas?
[11:17] <flaf> tomreyn: tarzeau: https://gist.github.com/flaf/614d8c7657ed8f93578fbde8ce5c52cb?permalink_comment_id=4274170#gistcomment-4274170 <= output of journalctl with info about timing (date of the lock screen). There is a problem, clearly.
[11:19] <flaf> lotuspsychje: tomreyn: tarzeau: https://gist.github.com/flaf/614d8c7657ed8f93578fbde8ce5c52cb?permalink_comment_id=4274172#gistcomment-4274172 <= the output of “sudo lshw -C video && nvidia-smi”.
[11:20] <flaf> lotuspsychje: tomreyn: tarzeau: do you think this problem required a bug report to ubuntu?
[11:21] <lotuspsychje> you are using AMDgpu radeon flaf
[11:21] <tomreyn> dionysus69: this systemd service is part of console-setup-linux, i assume that's not what causes it to hang, but it *might* reconfigure the screen so that you miss additional output. i think you can    sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
[11:21] <flaf> lotuspsychje: no idea? How can I check?
[11:22] <tomreyn> flaf: the log shows that gnome-shell is segfaulting.
[11:22] <flaf> tomreyn: Yes. Not good.
[11:22] <tomreyn> flaf: what does this print?  apt list --installed | grep ',local\]$' | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:24] <flaf> tomreyn: => it prints “https://termbin.com/rosi” (what it is this command? :))
[11:24] <flaf> ah ok it's just a paste. Handy. :)
[11:25] <tomreyn> flaf: it posts a list of packages (or package versions) which are installed but not available from any of the configured apt repositories: https://termbin.com/rosi
[11:26] <tomreyn> the first two you should definitely remove
[11:26]  * flaf note in his head the command “cat ... | nc termbin.com 9999” ;)
[11:27] <flaf> tomreyn: apt-get purge libreadline7 libssl1.1 => Sure?
[11:30] <flaf> tomreyn: Excepting for zoom, I don't understand why I have some local packages (not from APT repo) installed in my OS?
[11:30] <flaf> I want to remove all of them (even zoom which I use no longer).
[12:11] <tomreyn> flaf: then do, it's your system. it's best to use    sudo apt purge <package(s)>
[12:11] <tomreyn> flaf: can you also show    sudo grep -hEv '^([ ]*#.*)?$' /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*.list} 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999    so we can check whether you have some third party apt sources configured currently?
[12:12] <tomreyn> flaf: also, what does     lsb_release -ds && cat /proc/version    return?
[12:13] <flaf> tomreyn: why "apt purge" is better that "apt-get purge" ?
[12:13] <tomreyn> flaf: it isn't. i meant to say better user "apt(-get) purge" rather than "apt(-get) remove"
[12:14] <flaf> ah ok :)
[12:14] <tomreyn> that's if you really want to get rid of the old package and its (othersie residual) configurations.
[12:14] <tomreyn> *otherwise
[12:17] <flaf> tomreyn: all "local" packages purged.
[12:19] <tomreyn> flaf: good. i'm not convinced that those were the source of gnome-shell segfault'ing though.
[12:19] <tomreyn> that's why i suggested looking into your configured apt sources, too
[12:20] <tomreyn> + ubuntu version, kernel version
[12:24] <flaf> tomreyn: => { grep -hEv '^([ ]*#.*)?$' /etc/apt/sources.list; echo [12:26] <tomreyn> nice output, if slightly longer script ;)
[12:29] <flaf> tomreyn: lsb_release -ds && cat /proc/version => Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS \n Linux version 5.15.0-46-generic (buildd@lcy02-amd64-115) (gcc (Ubuntu 11.2.0-19ubuntu1) 11.2.0, GNU ld (GNU Binutils for Ubuntu) 2.38) #49-Ubuntu SMP Thu Aug 4 18:03:25 UTC 2022
[12:29] <tomreyn> that all looks good. are all current updates installed?  sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade -V    ?
[12:31] <flaf> tomreyn: => 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[12:31] <tomreyn> i don't think those 3rd parties should cause the gnome-shell segfault either.
[12:31] <tomreyn> now the only possible causes i can think of are    (1) broken / incompatible gnome-shell-extensions     (2) broken / incompatible graphics driver    (3) broken hardware (RAM, storage, CPU)
[12:32] <tomreyn> ls -1 ~/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions/ | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:32] <flaf> tomreyn: maybe I should file a bug with all the output you ask me, no?
[12:33] <tomreyn> let's see the shell extensions and maybe the graphics driver yet, but then, yes, that#d be good.
[12:33] <flaf> tomreyn: => empty output, the directory is completely empty (except . and .. of course)
[12:34] <tomreyn> had you tried with a different user account, and did it happen there, too?
[12:34] <flaf> Yes.
[12:34] <tomreyn> that's 'yes' to *both* questions?
[12:34] <flaf> With a "foo" account just create for the test
[12:34] <flaf> yes
[12:35] <tomreyn> xrandr --listproviders    says what?
[12:36] <flaf> Providers: number : 0
[12:37] <flaf> and that's all.
[12:37] <tomreyn> cat /var/log/gpu-manager.log | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:37] <flaf> https://termbin.com/tl1u
[12:39] <tomreyn> flaf: please file a bug against gnome-shell
[12:39] <tomreyn> !bug
[12:39] <flaf> tomreyn: Ok I will and I post you the link. Thx for your help. :)
[12:40] <tomreyn> flaf: thanks for your patience.
[12:40] <flaf> :)
[12:42] <tomreyn> flaf: when filing the bug, please descirbe which monitors you have connected, and how they are wired / which display protocol is being used.
[12:45] <tomreyn> flaf: if you need a workaround: using X instead of wayland will likely (but not certainly) work around this.
[12:46] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:46] <luna__> hi
[12:47] <kkkssf> Hi
[12:50] <kkkssf> Was the snap premission button removed from software? https://ubuntu.com/wp-content/uploads/e12b/Software_gimp_snap.png
[12:53] <lotuspsychje> kkkssf: a question for the gimp snap dev; contact:   https://github.com/snapcrafters/gimp/issues
[12:54] <kkkssf> Oh i thought all snaps would have that, I tried it only with Firefox, there is only install & remove button
[12:55] <tomreyn> those are in settings
[12:59] <luis220413> kkkssf: What version of Ubuntu are you using?
[13:00] <kkkssf> xubuntu 22.04
[13:01] <tomreyn> kkkssf: and you don't see them in the Settings application?
[13:01] <tomreyn> oh Xubuntu, not sure you have them there
[13:02] <tomreyn> do you have gnome-control-center installed?
[13:03] <luis220413> kkkssf: Run dpkg-query -W gnome-control-center
[13:03] <kkkssf> nope
[13:04] <tomreyn> you imght need to ask in #xubuntu as to how to access snap preferences on xubuntu 22.04
[13:05] <luis220413> kkkssf: That is, there is no output. Does Xubuntu have a Settings application? Open it, run in a terminal ps -Af, find the executable name of the application and write it here.
[13:07] <flaf> tomreyn: ok I will. Curently, the workaround for is just to disable automatic lock screen. In fact, this feature is not crucial for me (bit I will file a bug).
[13:09] <tomreyn> well, it's a security feature, i'd not want to miss it
[13:45] <jellyfishHELP> I have a critical error with jellyfish when I click on links in brave I get black screen with radeon_ring_gfx already present error
[13:45] <jellyfishHELP> I need help this is totally screwed up my workspace
[13:47] <jellyfishHELP> I was using focal and no problem with jellyfish it totally drops all when I click on links like in amazon on brave or use vlc and try to go to a network stream
[13:47] <jellyfishHELP> can anyone here help please
[13:47] <murmel> jellyfishHELP: is it only brave that give you that error?
[13:47] <jellyfishHELP> also vlc
[13:49] <jellyfishHELP> debugfs: File 'radeon_ring_gfx' in directory '0' already present
[13:50] <jellyfishHELP> should I try to reinstal jellyfish or go back to focal
[13:50] <jellyfishHELP> there is no offer to send crash report
[13:50] <murmel> jellyfishHELP: could you please paste the whole dmesg (you can do that with the package pastebinit with "sudo dmesg | pastebinit"
[13:51] <jellyfishHELP> that is the whole error message
[13:51] <murmel> jellyfishHELP: which is not an error, just an information
[13:53] <jellyfishHELP> ok well that is all that happens - when I click on links or try to use vlc with a stream it goes straight to debug radeon ring message
[13:53] <jellyfishHELP> and it restarts whole OS from there
[13:53] <murmel> jellyfishHELP: well if you don't want to post dmesg, I can't really help you. as that line is definitely your problem
[13:54] <jellyfishHELP> I am not versed in all this -
[13:54] <murmel> jellyfishHELP: I mean I gave you literally the command, you would only need to install the package first called "pastebinit"
[13:55] <murmel> it gives you a link back, which you copy here
[13:55] <jellyfishHELP> [sudo] password for c: Command 'pastebinit' not found, but can be installed with:
[13:55] <jellyfishHELP> sudo apt install pastebinit
[13:56] <lsblk> open up a terminal and type : sudo apt install pastebinit -y
[13:56] <lsblk> input your passwd
[13:56] <lsblk> sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade && sudo apt autoclean
[13:56] <lsblk> then copy & paste the command which murmel gave you
[13:57] <lsblk> Paste inside Terminal using : Ctrl+Shift+v
[13:57] <jellyfishHELP> ok did that
[13:57] <murmel> or right click paste ;)
[13:58] <tomreyn> jellyfishHELP: crash reports are only gathered for packages which are part of ubuntu
[13:59] <tomreyn> a shortcut for the above:  dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:59] <jellyfishHELP> ok did above and did not get a crash report
[14:00] <murmel> ahh right, I forgot about the nc command
[14:00] <murmel> jellyfishHELP: if you enter the dmesg command with pastebinit it should give you back a link no crash report
[14:01] <jellyfishHELP> what is the next step
[14:01] <jellyfishHELP> this a very confusing
[14:01] <murmel> give us the link
[14:02] <jellyfishHELP> it does not show a link
[14:02] <jellyfishHELP> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy/main amd64 pastebinit all 1.5.1-1ubuntu1 [14.6 kB]
[14:02] <jellyfishHELP> could that be it
[14:04] <jellyfishHELP> guys could you tell me if I would try to reinstall jammy or focal if that would be a way to get back to normal here
[14:05] <jellyfishHELP> this has totally screwed up my work
[14:05] <jellyfishHELP> focal worked this shit does not
[14:05] <jellyfishHELP> jammy is jammed up
[14:05] <murmel> jellyfishHELP: yes it would be *maybe* easier, but I almost assume there is another issue, which wouldn't be fixable by reinstalling
[14:05] <jellyfishHELP> like what issue
[14:05] <murmel> !language | jellyfishHELP
[14:05] <jellyfishHELP> ok sorry
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> jellyfishHELP: volunteers have asked you to provide information to help you
[14:05] <lsblk> murmel: check prv
[14:06] <murmel> jellyfishHELP: on the internet, people are talking about it maybe being a BIOS issue
[14:06] <jellyfishHELP> I have provided info
[14:06] <jellyfishHELP> oh wonderful I am on a lenovo t500
[14:06] <murmel> jellyfishHELP: so you did install pastebinit, now do "sudo dmesg | pastebinit"
[14:07] <jellyfishHELP> all I get when I do that is a blinking cursor
[14:08] <jellyfishHELP> nothing
[14:09] <murmel> do you have internet on the system where the error occurs?
[14:09] <jellyfishHELP> yes
[14:10] <murmel> jellyfishHELP: you can cancel the command by using ctrl + c, try the other one tomreyn gave you "dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999"
[14:10] <cosmicrajiv> hi all. i am a student of aeronautical. i want to know how stable is ubuntu as i don't know much about linux. is it good for academic and research purposes?
[14:10] <cosmicrajiv> i wanted to switch fron win to ubuntu linux.
[14:10] <lsblk> *Ctrl+d* a few times
[14:10] <lsblk> *exits the current session*
[14:11] <murmel> cosmicrajiv: yes, but you want to stay on the LTS releases (which happen every 2 years, so 20.04, and now the newest 22.04. next one is 24.04)
[14:11] <jellyfishHELP> dmesg: read kernel buffer failed: Operation not permitted
[14:11] <lsblk> jellyfishHELP: did you used sudo
[14:11] <jellyfishHELP> that is from tomreyn
[14:11] <jellyfishHELP> yes
[14:11] <lsblk> Interesting
[14:12] <cosmicrajiv> murmel, ok. thank you for the answer.
[14:12] <murmel> jellyfishHELP: oh I forgot sudo in front of dmesg. so "sudo dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999"
[14:12] <lsblk> Sounds like user not added in the sudoers
[14:12] <jellyfishHELP> https://termbin.com/cjev
[14:13] <jellyfishHELP> well that seems to have given a lot of info
[14:16] <jellyfishHELP> so is that what might be needed to figure this out https://termbin.com/cjev
[14:17] <murmel> jellyfishHELP: yeah I am reading right now
[14:18] <jellyfishHELP> thank you very much for you help
[14:18] <pycurious> Ubutntu 20.04lts: My nvidia drivers were working yesterday. I moved the card from one slot to another - and now I get this : NVIDIA-SMI has failed because it couldn't communicate with the NVIDIA driver. Make sure that the latest NVIDIA driver is installed and running. Any ideas on how to fix this?
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> pycurious: sudo lshw -C video to see if the driver has loaded
[14:20] <murmel> jellyfishHELP: as I thought. this is not the error why your computer crashes (that line is just information).
[14:21] <jellyfishHELP> wonderful
[14:22] <jellyfishHELP> well any ideas
[14:22] <lotuspsychje> patience jellyfishHELP
[14:22] <pycurious> lotuspsychje: no output from that command. I think the driver is not loading
[14:23] <lotuspsychje> pycurious: thats not possible, did you type the command right?
[14:23] <pycurious> lotuspsychje: sudo lshw -C video -> No output -> My monitor does not get any output either
[14:24] <pycurious> do i need sudo apt purge 'libnvidia*' 'nvidia*' ?
[14:24] <murmel> jellyfishHELP: as I don't use vlc, I am not 100% sure if this is correct, but please activate logging for vlc by going to Tools -> Preferences -> Select "ALL" -> Advanced -> Logging
[14:24] <tomreyn> pycurious: no graphics card was detected. you probably did not seat it properly.
[14:25] <pycurious> tomreyn: ah ! ok will push it harder - thanks.
[14:25] <murmel> jellyfishHELP: and set it to 2: warning
[14:25] <tomreyn> pycurious: it's also possible the slot it's in now just doesn't support it.
[14:25] <murmel> pycurious: we are not in windows where drivers have to be reinstalled, just because you reseated the gpu (or mouse or keyboard)
[14:26] <pycurious> tomreyn: I had a 3090 in that slot. I just switched the card from one to another - so that can't be it?
[14:26] <tomreyn> pycurious: check the seating then
[14:28] <jellyfishHELP> ok did that with vlc set to warning
[14:29] <jellyfishHELP> if I try to rescreate it will crash though should I do that
[14:30] <murmel> jellyfishHELP: yes that would be helpful, otherwise the log file is basically empty
[14:30] <murmel> (you need to restart vlc so the log file gets created)
[14:31] <tomreyn> jellyfishHELP: i haven't followed the whole story, keep going on the vlc issue. i looked at your dmesg output, though. you have an old computer with a buggy bios. you should do a bios upgrade first. then hopefully all those gran_size lines are gone. if not, do this:
[14:31] <tomreyn> !mtrr | jellyfishHELP
[14:32] <murmel> tomreyn: very unlikely that there will be a bios update, but I do wanted to share that info with him at the end of the vlc issue
[14:32] <lsblk> His / her BIOS has some issues
[14:33] <lsblk> Do you have a dedicated card on this machine jellyfishHELP ?
[14:33] <jellyfishHELP> ok so I expect it to crash and will be back - in the end think will go back to focal
[14:34] <jellyfishHELP> a dedicated card explain
[14:34] <lsblk> Do not Hibernate
[14:34] <lsblk> Turn thus function off
[14:34] <jellyfishHELP> ok
[14:34] <jellyfishHELP> what is a dedicated card
[14:35] <jellyfishHELP> by hibernate do you mean to not suspend
[14:35] <lsblk> Yes
[14:36] <lsblk> Do a : lspci | grep VGA
[14:36] <lsblk> In the terminal
[14:36] <murmel> lsblk: hope you can take over the crashing part with vlc ;)
[14:36] <lsblk> Vlc is confused of which driver to use :)
[14:36] <jellyfishHELP> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)
[14:36] <jellyfishHELP> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV635/M86 [Mobility Radeon HD 3650]
[14:37] <lsblk> There's your problem
[14:37] <lsblk> =)
[14:37] <jellyfishHELP> ok so what do I do
[14:37] <tomreyn> jellyfishHELP: this is a bios update for this model (3.23, you currently have 3.12) https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/us/en/downloads/ds013614-bios-update-bootable-cd-for-windows-7-32-bit-64-bit-vista-32-bit-64-bit-xp-thinkpad
[14:37] <murmel> lsblk: wow, never thought that could be the case, as also brave crashes
[14:38] <lsblk> Im not sure why Brave would crash honestly
[14:38] <jellyfishHELP> yes brave crashes as well in fb - amazon - youtube etc
[14:38] <jellyfishHELP> when I click on lets say a youtube link on fb
[14:38] <lsblk> Have you tested with other browsers ?
[14:38] <jellyfishHELP> no
[14:39] <jellyfishHELP> I have firefox
[14:39] <lsblk> Give it a try with Chromium and Firefox
[14:39] <jellyfishHELP> but I want to use brave
[14:39] <lsblk> You will, just test these 2 for now
[14:39] <lsblk> Fresh install, and run directly to fb, amazon and u2be with both of them
[14:48] <JoeLlama> arraybolt3[m]
[14:50] <tomreyn> jellyfishHELP: those issues with the web browser and the "debugfs: File 'radeon_ring_gfx' in directory '1' already present!" message will be a result of a root cause that is related to the AMD/ATI RV635/M86 [Mobility Radeon HD 3650] grpahics chipset. this can be a driver bug (radeon), or a firmware bug.
[14:59] <bruno_> hallo leute
[15:01] <tomreyn> hi bruno_ - if you're looking for german speaking buntu support, please /join #ubuntu-de
[15:02] <tomreyn> in case jellyfishHELP returns, they can also try using these kernel parameters: radeon.si_support=0 amdgpu.si_support=1 radeon.cik_support=0 amdgpu.cik_support=1
[15:03] <flaf> tomreyn: just for your information, here is the bug issue => https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1987209 . Wait and see now. :) Thx again for your help.
[15:04] <murmel> tomreyn: did he disconnect or doing something about his/her bios?
[15:04] <tomreyn> flaf: thanks for the notice. i'll have a look at the log files attached to your report in a bit and would respond here if you'll still be around and there is anything else to be said.
[15:05] <tomreyn> murmel: i do not have additional information. they disconnected with a ping timeout message.
[15:05] <murmel> ahh kk
[15:06] <flaf> tomreyn: ok, thx and have a nice day.
[15:07] <bruno__> hello
[15:14] <cosmicrajiv> murmel, I am about to install ubuntu (downling the iso). i did read about snap and deb packages of firefox. are those issues gone now with 22.04.1? is it safe to use snap?
[15:15] <murmel> cosmicrajiv: depends on which issues you are talking about
[15:15] <cosmicrajiv> murmel, slow launch ans whether it is safe to use firefox snap.
[15:16] <cosmicrajiv> and*
[15:17] <murmel> cosmicrajiv: snap firefox is definitely safer, the speed was sped up by ~80% which means it shouldn't matter too much. if all else, you can still install firefox in a different way, just come back and ask ;)
[15:17] <cosmicrajiv> thanks. going to install now.
[15:17] <murmel> cosmicrajiv: awesome :) hope you like linux / ubuntu
[15:18] <lotuspsychje> !jammy | cosmicrajiv
[15:18] <lotuspsychje> cosmicrajiv: before installing an ubuntu release you can also checkout the releasenotes, and known bugs
[15:18] <cosmicrajiv> yeah. thanks
[15:20] <tomreyn> flaf: looks like you do have custom gnome-shell-extensions installed, just system-wide, not in your $HOME<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:21] <tomreyn> flaf: it could also be that those are part of ubuntu's defaults, i haven't tried to verify this.
[15:21] <bruno1> hallo grüße euch
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> !de | bruno1
[15:22] <bruno1> danke dir
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> welcome bruno1
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> flaf: usualy the developers will ask to disable all non-default gnome extensions in case the user has gnome shell issues
[15:24] <lotuspsychje> (for testing)
[15:31] <flaf> lotuspsychje: but have I some non default gnome extensions installed?
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> flaf: i think the default ones are; desktop icons NG, ubuntu app indicators & ubuntu dock
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> flaf: so if you have others enabled, please disable those as a test to your issue
[15:35] <tomreyn> flaf: you seem to have https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/15/alternatetab/ and https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/5/alternative-status-menu/ installed via apt (as gnome-shell-extension-alternate-tab and gnome-shell-extension-alternative-status-menu)
[15:36] <tomreyn> hmm no, maybe not through these packages
[15:37] <tomreyn> flaf: when you run    gnome-shell-extension-prefs   are those listed there?
[15:43] <flaf> tomreyn: command not found. Should I install the package gnome-shell-extension-prefs?
[15:43] <tomreyn> flaf: yes please
[15:43] <tomreyn> you can remove it afterwards if you don't need it.
[15:45] <flaf> tomreyn: http://paste.alacon.org/47530
[15:45] <flaf> and it opens a window.
[15:46] <tomreyn> flaf: an empty window? sorry, i run an older ubuntu version. let me check against your release.
[15:46] <flaf> tomreyn: $ gnome-extensions list
[15:46] <flaf><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:46] <flaf><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:46] <flaf>
[15:47] <tomreyn> flaf: so i was wrong, i guess, unless this command omits system-wide installed extensions.
[15:47] <flaf> It's a windows titled "Extensions" with a list of 2 built-in extensions (the extensions above) and a check-box which is checked.
[15:48] <tomreyn> okay, i was wrong then, sorry.
[15:48] <flaf> No problem. So have I non-default gnome extensions installed on my distribution? I guess no, correct?
[15:48] <tomreyn> see the "enabled-extensions" variable here: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/619381278/GsettingsChanges.txt
[15:49] <tomreyn> this made me think you would, but i have not actually compared this to a default 22.04 installation, yet
[15:50] <flaf> Ok.
[15:50] <flaf> Anyway, I can disable these 2 extensions if needed. I have no idea of the utility. Probably I don't use them at all.
[15:51] <lotuspsychje> dock and appindicators are default, they should not be able to crash gnome anymore
[15:52] <flaf> Ok lotuspsychje, so I keep them, to have a system as shown in the bug report. We will see... ;)
[15:55] <flaf> lotuspsychje: http://paste.alacon.org/47531 <= it seems to me I have in addition nautilus-extension-gnome-terminal and chrome-gnome-shell.
[15:55] <flaf> but not listed by the "gnome-extensions list" command.
[15:57] <tomreyn> flaf: those are fine.
[15:57] <flaf> Ok.
[16:03] <lotuspsychje> flaf: can you make gnome crash on purpose?
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> flaf: maybe its an idea to keep a journalctl -f open in realtime, in case gnome-shell spits out errors of some kind
[16:05] <tomreyn> letting the no user interaction timeout triggered screen locker kick in makes it segfault, from what i understand.
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> i see, tnx tomreyn
[16:07] <flaf> tomreyn: exaclty.
[16:08] <JoeLlama> arraybolt3[m]
[16:08] <flaf> I can probably open tty1 as root and to something like "journalctl -f > /tmp/x.log" and reproduce the problem in my gnome session.
[16:09] <lotuspsychje> flaf: did you test that both on xorg and wayland?
[16:09] <JoeLlama> hrm I'm just going to install LXTQ on this server hope that works out...
[16:10] <flaf> lotuspsychje: no. I have no idea of xorg and wayland and how to toggle.
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> JoeLlama: not sure arraybolt3[m] is around, you could restate your issues, where you guys left, some other volunteer can pickup?
[16:10] <arraybolt3[m]> JoeLlama: 👋
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> flaf: logout, then pick ubuntu(xorg) or ubuntu(wayland) at login
[16:12] <lotuspsychje> flaf: the steps you tested, please keep your bug ID updated by adding a new comment of your test, so devs can see what you tryed
[16:12] <JoeLlama> oh sure lotuspsychje thanks...
[16:12] <JoeLlama> hi arraybolt3[m] :)
[16:12] <JoeLlama> ok arraybolt3[m] here is where I left off...
[16:12] <lotuspsychje> he's around :p
[16:12] <arraybolt3[m]> JoeLlama: Backup done?
[16:13] <JoeLlama> oh it's all upgraded now :) and good morning btw...
[16:13] <arraybolt3[m]> JoeLlama: Nice, and good morning to you!
[16:13] <JoeLlama> so I did the apt-offline get upgrade.sig --bundle upgrade.zip
[16:13] <arraybolt3[m]> Yes, and?
[16:14] <JoeLlama> the only file in the zip was libapt-pkg6.0_2.4.7_amd64.deb
[16:14] <JoeLlama> so I installed that
[16:14] <JoeLlama> and here we are (:
[16:14] <JoeLlama> (installed on the air-gapped server)
[16:14] <arraybolt3[m]> But it did download something?
[16:14] <JoeLlama> well and I wanna get LXQT loaded but I am sure there is more to it
[16:14] <JoeLlama> yes... upgrade.zip
[16:14] <JoeLlama> in that was libapt-pkg6.0_2.4.7_amd64.deb
[16:14] <JoeLlama> that was the only thing
[16:14] <JoeLlama> about 880 KB
[16:15] <arraybolt3[m]> Nice. Well... hmm, can you show me the output of "dpkg-query -s linux-image" in a pastebin? From the server?
[16:15] <JoeLlama> oh um... sounds hard but ok
[16:15] <arraybolt3[m]> Just tell me what version it says the package is at.
[16:15] <arraybolt3[m]> I don't need all the output, just knowing the version number is enough.
[16:16] <arraybolt3[m]> (It's possible there isn't much to upgrade since you just installed Ubuntu Server 22.04.1, which was released very recently.)
[16:16] <JoeLlama> says linux-image not installed
[16:16] <tomreyn> arraybolt3[m]: i don't mean to interrupt, just making sure this was considered: if this server is not air-gapped on purpose, using a separate mobile device for "tethering" can make is sooo much more user friendly.
[16:16] <arraybolt3[m]> tomreyn: The server is air-gapped on purpose.
[16:17] <JoeLlama> yeah this server will never touch the internet directly
[16:17] <tomreyn> oh i see
[16:17] <arraybolt3[m]> JoeLlama: Oh. Uh... one moment...
[16:17] <JoeLlama> yup!
[16:17] <arraybolt3[m]> (must be an incorrect package name)
[16:17] <JoeLlama> hrm k
[16:17] <arraybolt3[m]> JoeLlama: Try "dpkg-query -s linux-image-generic".
[16:17] <JoeLlama> I do appreciate this help... it would take me weeks to figure all this out
[16:17] <JoeLlama> ah ok
[16:18] <JoeLlama> oh that returned somethings
[16:18] <arraybolt3[m]> Took me sooooo long to figure it out, thankfully doing it a few times made it somewhat familiar. :)
[16:18] <arraybolt3[m]> Nice, what's the version number?
[16:18] <JoeLlama> 5 15 0 43 44
[16:19] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, one moment...
[16:19]  * JoeLlama can hear the gears grinding in arraybolt3[m]'s head
[16:19] <arraybolt3[m]> Hrm... that looks like it didn't work.
[16:20] <arraybolt3[m]> The version number is too low.
[16:20] <JoeLlama> oh :(
[16:20] <arraybolt3[m]> Well... sometimes doing it again might help. Try the same "sudo apt-offline set upgrade.sig --upgrade" thing again on the server.
[16:20] <JoeLlama> oh ok
[16:20] <arraybolt3[m]> Then back to the Internet machine, "apt-offline get upgrade.sig --bundle upgrade.zip", then back to the server again.
[16:21] <arraybolt3[m]> If you get a sizable zip file this time, don't just unpack it and install the files inside - there's a specific way to do it using the apt-offline command.
[16:23] <flaf> lotuspsychje: I would tried the toggle xorg vs wayland but it's unclear for me: when I select my user in the login page, I can select "Openbox", "Ubuntu" and "Ubuntu on Xorg. What should I select?
[16:25] <tomreyn> flaf: "Ubuntu" is the Wayland session, "Ubuntu on Xorg" is the Xorg session. Your default session is "Ubuntu" (on Wayland). we're suggesting you try to reproduce this issue on the "Ubuntu on Xorg" session.
[16:26] <JoeLlama> this time I got apt_2.4.7_amd64.deb 1.3 MB
[16:26] <arraybolt3[m]> Is it giving any error messages?
[16:27] <arraybolt3[m]> It sounds like it keeps only downloading one file at a time, in which case maybe there's a bug and we should skip the --bundle part.
[16:27] <arraybolt3[m]> (If you do this, make sure to do it in a folder that doesn't have anything else in it.)
[16:27] <arraybolt3[m]> (Or else lots of tiny files may swarm a folder you don't want them to swarm.)
[16:28] <JoeLlama> https://pastebin.com/WE4ZYYyF
[16:28] <flaf> tomreyn: ok, understood...
[16:29] <arraybolt3[m]> JoeLlama: That's what I expected... and it's less than helpful. Looks like a bug in apt-offline to me.
[16:29] <arraybolt3[m]> JoeLlama: OK, move the upgrade.sig file to an empty folder.
[16:29] <JoeLlama> um...
[16:29] <arraybolt3[m]> JoeLlama: Then open a terminal in that folder and run "apt-offline get upgrade.sig".
[16:29] <JoeLlama> should I extract and install on the server?
[16:29] <arraybolt3[m]> (Notice that the --bundle part is missing.)
[16:29] <arraybolt3[m]> No.
[16:29] <arraybolt3[m]> It's not working right.
[16:29] <JoeLlama> oh ok
[16:30] <JoeLlama> so i called it upgrade2.sig
[16:30] <arraybolt3[m]> It should be downloading a ton of files - if we keep only getting one, something is awry.
[16:30] <arraybolt3[m]> (upgrade2.sig is fine.)
[16:31] <JoeLlama> oh ok
[16:31] <JoeLlama> oh we need the target name
[16:31] <arraybolt3[m]> Also, any time you see "Exception... Traceback (most recent call last)", that means apt-offline crashed and something went wrong.
[16:32] <JoeLlama> ERROR: Please provide a target download file/folder location.
[16:32] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh, right. One moment...
[16:33] <JoeLlama> fun with linux... is it just going to be a headache or is there going to be drinking involved...
[16:33] <arraybolt3[m]> (Maybe one long moment if my Chromebook is grumpy...)
[16:33] <arraybolt3[m]> Hopefully just a headache.
[16:33] <JoeLlama> yup already got that
[16:33] <JoeLlama> I (we'll) get it
[16:34] <JoeLlama> since I am just using the server box as a RAID system should I just install ubuntu desktop instead?
[16:34] <arraybolt3[m]> apt-offline get upgrad2.sig -d .
[16:34] <JoeLlama> hrm ok
[16:34] <arraybolt3[m]> (I misspelled the filename...)
[16:34] <JoeLlama> I know
[16:35] <JoeLlama> oOo!
[16:35] <JoeLlama> that's better :)
[16:35] <arraybolt3[m]> JoeLlama: I'd stick with doing it this way since RAID can be tricky to configure and you already have it configured now IIUC.
[16:35] <JoeLlama> oh yes it's cramming a lot of files now :)
[16:35] <arraybolt3[m]> Whew, nice! That's what it should do.
[16:35] <JoeLlama> ok good
[16:35] <JoeLlama> well...
[16:36] <JoeLlama> not a huge number of files
[16:36] <arraybolt3[m]> Once all those are downloaded, move them into their own folder on the big flash drive and go back to the server.
[16:36] <arraybolt3[m]> (Eh, doesn't have to be massive, but mutliple files is good.)
[16:36] <arraybolt3[m]> (Especially if you see a file called linux-image-somethingorother-generic in there.)
[16:37] <JoeLlama> ok ok do I have to install each separately?
[16:37] <arraybolt3[m]> No thankfully/
[16:37] <JoeLlama> nope
[16:37] <JoeLlama> that is not in there
[16:37] <flaf> tomreyn: lotuspsychje: interesting. With Ubuntu on Xorg, I keep my session. But... during my session I had popup concerning an internal error of Ubuntu (in details I can see it's a crash of gnome-shell). So it seems to me that there is a gnome-shell problem in any case but with Xorg I keep my session.
[16:37] <arraybolt3[m]> Nothing that starts with "linux-image"?
[16:37] <arraybolt3[m]> JoeLlama: ^
[16:38] <arraybolt3[m]> Also did apt-offline give any exception messages or anything?
[16:38] <JoeLlama> wait...
[16:38] <JoeLlama> something is weird gotta restart the file manager
[16:38] <lsblk> Ubuntu doesn't handle Wayland very well btw
[16:39] <arraybolt3[m]> lsblk: It does on my machine.
[16:39] <arraybolt3[m]> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[16:39] <JoeLlama> ok fixed lemme look for errors
[16:39] <lsblk> Lucky you :)
[16:39] <JoeLlama> no errors
[16:39] <JoeLlama> so install these on the server?
[16:40] <arraybolt3[m]> JoeLlama: Move them to the server, and then I'll tell you the next commands.
[16:40] <arraybolt3[m]> Installing them will be easy since we can install them all at once, not one at a time.
[16:40] <lsblk> Last thhing I found was they are working on improving it, but can't rly say how far they are. Xorg just in case :)
[16:40] <tomreyn> flaf: the popup you see on the Xorg session is just to report the earlier failure of gnome-session
[16:41] <tomreyn> flaf: so Xorg indeed does not seem to cause this, otherwise you'd get logged off there fully with loss of your session as well.
[16:43] <JoeLlama> ok there and in the directory
[16:43] <flaf> tomreyn: Ok, I have added that in the bug issue.
[16:43] <arraybolt3[m]> JoeLlama: OK. Next command is...
[16:43] <tomreyn> flaf: if you like you can share the output of     sudo cat /var/lib/whoopsie/whoopsie-id    with me in a (not end to end encrypted, but otherwise private) /msg or /query window
[16:43] <arraybolt3[m]> JoeLlama:  sudo apt-offline install .
[16:44] <arraybolt3[m]> (The . at the end is important.)
[16:44] <flaf> tomreyn: its content can be relevant to understand the problem?
[16:44] <tomreyn> flaf: this is is a unique identifier for your ubuntu installation, which i could use to see which errors have been reported by your system, and to correlate this gnome-shell crash to those of other users
[16:44] <JoeLlama> didn't like it arraybolt3[m]
[16:45] <JoeLlama> oh
[16:45] <JoeLlama> wait
[16:45] <flaf> Ah ok. No problem, I give you that in mp. :)
[16:45] <JoeLlama> ok it did it
[16:45] <JoeLlama> forgot the . :)
[16:45] <arraybolt3[m]> JoeLlama: Nice, now "sudo apt upgrade".
[16:45] <arraybolt3[m]> Confirm with "y", and you should be done.
[16:46] <arraybolt3[m]> Then last but not least it's time to install the GUI.
[16:46] <JoeLlama> oOo it
[16:46] <JoeLlama> it's doing lotsa stuff
[16:46] <arraybolt3[m]> That's a good sign!
[16:46] <JoeLlama> lots of ERR fails :(
[16:47] <JoeLlama> oh filed to fetch
[16:47] <arraybolt3[m]> With what command, the apt or the apt-offline command?
[16:47] <JoeLlama> the last one
[16:47] <JoeLlama> oops failed to fetch
[16:47] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh. Grr... this thing is being finicky...
[16:48]  * arraybolt3[m] thinks maybe apt-offline needs an overhaul
[16:48] <JoeLlama> yeah says try using --fix-missing
[16:48] <arraybolt3[m]> Blah.
[16:49] <JoeLlama> are we moving from the headache stage to the drinking stage yet?  cuz I'm ready
[16:49] <JoeLlama> should we try another upgrade.sig thingy?
[16:49] <arraybolt3[m]> At this point I'd just download Lubuntu, plug it into the server, wipe everything, use the terminal to set up RAID to your liking, then install Lubuntu on the RAID and call it a day.
[16:49] <JoeLlama> oh :(
[16:49] <arraybolt3[m]> apt-offline obviously needs some help.
[16:49] <JoeLlama> we were so close
[16:50] <arraybolt3[m]> I know right? It used to work, but what it's doing now is anything but working.
[16:50] <JoeLlama> it looks like it's trying to fetch from the internet and can't resolve the url
[16:50] <JoeLlama> *sigh*
[16:50] <arraybolt3[m]> Yep. That sounds like apt-offline didn't download everything.
[16:51] <arraybolt3[m]> Another possible solution is if we can figure out ways to give you the benefits of airgapping without airgapping (like a firewall).
[16:51] <JoeLlama> hrm try again with the gunna get upgrade3.sig
[16:51] <JoeLlama> eh why not...
[16:51] <arraybolt3[m]> OK. Good luck, hopefully it will do something good!
[16:55] <JoeLlama> arraybolt3[m] what do I use instead of apt-offline get upgrade.sig --bundle upgrade.zip
[16:55] <JoeLlama> i forget :/
[16:56] <arraybolt3[m]> apt-offline get upgrade.sig -d .
[16:56] <arraybolt3[m]> Do it in a folder containing only the .sig file.
[16:56] <JoeLlama> wait... on the internet box right?
[16:56] <arraybolt3[m]> Yes.
[16:57] <JoeLlama> i don't think it did anything arraybolt3[m]
[16:58] <JoeLlama> there is no file generated
[16:58] <JoeLlama> hrm...
[16:58] <JoeLlama> install lubuntu?
[16:58] <JoeLlama> run RAID from lubuntu arraybolt3[m]?
[16:58] <arraybolt3[m]> That's probably what I'd do.
[16:59] <JoeLlama> but it won't be as good as server right?
[16:59] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah, that's what I'd do. Set up RAID with the terminal, then install onto it.
[16:59] <arraybolt3[m]> It should be just as good as with server.
[16:59] <JoeLlama> *sigh* okay thanks :)
[16:59] <JoeLlama> I want to use software RAID
[17:00] <JoeLlama> that is okay right? :)
[17:00] <arraybolt3[m]> Should be.
[17:00]  * JoeLlama drinks
[17:00] <JoeLlama> well at least I got an education outta it (:
[17:00] <JoeLlama> thanks arraybolt3[m] :)
[17:00] <arraybolt3[m]> I might set up RAID on all but one of the disks and install Lubuntu on the one disk without RAID to make sure it works right.
[17:01] <JoeLlama> right
[17:01] <JoeLlama> tht was the plan
[17:01] <JoeLlama> I still need to upgrade / update lubuntu though is that going to be an issue?
[17:02] <JoeLlama> also I want encryption...
[17:02] <JoeLlama> not like to evade the law but just anyone who might get into my database
[17:02] <JoeLlama> I already have ubuntu on a disk should I just use that?
[17:03] <arraybolt3[m]> I'd use Lubuntu.
[17:03] <JoeLlama> o k
[17:03] <arraybolt3[m]> You probably won't have to do any upgrading things on Lubuntu since it already has a GUI and apps. If you need to install other apps after the fact, though, there might be some issues.
[17:04] <JoeLlama> ah
[17:04] <JoeLlama> can't think of many atm so... lubuntu it is!
[17:06] <JoeLlama> hrm says the latest version of lubuntu is 19.04 is that right?
[17:06] <arraybolt3[m]> You're on the wrong site.
[17:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Lubuntu.net is note the official site.
[17:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Lubuntu.me is.
[17:07] <arraybolt3[m]> The latest version of Lubuntu is 22.04.1.
[17:07] <JoeLlama> oh geez ok
[17:07] <JoeLlama> I'm sure there is a good reason for that...
[17:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh it's quite the saga.
[17:08] <enigma9o7[m]> Hmmm seems that lubuntu.net site needs to update or shut down.
[17:08] <JoeLlama> ok already now I dunwanna know
[17:08] <arraybolt3[m]> (Lubuntu.net is owned by someone who used to contribute to Lubuntu, but does no longer. He refused to let go of the site, and doesn't do a very good job of keeping it up-to-date, plus he's no longer associated with the project.)
[17:08] <JoeLlama> oh :(
[17:08] <JoeLlama> weak
[17:09] <JoeLlama> I already feel better about using lubuntu since I'm already using it and as long as it does encrypted software RAID okay then I am fine with it
[17:19] <tomreyn> flaf: thanks for letting me access your crash logs. unfortunately, for none of the recently submitted 4 gnome-shell crashes on your system, the cause of the crash could be automatically determined (or correlated). i've updated the bug report with the info i have gathered - please correct me if anything i wrote is incorrect. it would also be of interest to know whether you are able to cause the same issue by manually / immediately locking the
[17:19] <tomreyn> screen, such as by selecting this option from the top right drop down menu, or by pressing Meta-L (Windows-L).
[17:30] <Guest989> Hello
[17:31] <Guest989> is 20.04.4 LTS stable recommended version?
[17:32] <Guest989> Because i don't want to upgrade it to 22.04 LTS it brokes many things on my system especially with nginx.
[17:37] <tomreyn> Guest989: 20.04 LTS is a supported Ubuntu release. It is a stable release, just like 22.04 LTS, but was released two years earlier, in april 2020.
[17:37] <tomreyn> !20.04 | Guest989
[17:37] <tomreyn> 20.04 will have free security support until 2025.
[17:38] <ioria> tomreyn, have you seen this : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1977666   ? not related to lockscreen, but with amdgpu and wayland
[17:41] <tomreyn> ioria: i hadn't seen this one, actually haven't looked for dupes at all. those *could* be related, or not at all - it's difficult to say because this one provides so little info.
[17:41] <Guest989> It says it released on February 24, 2022 at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases if i am not wrong?
[17:41] <ioria> tomreyn, yeah, he can try to boot with nomodeset (in wayland) and test the screenlock, so he can exclude the video driver
[17:42] <tomreyn> Guest989: the fourth update to 20.04 LTS released then
[17:42] <flaf> tomreyn: I have updated the bug issue. Your post is 100% correct. ;)
[17:43] <ioria> flaf, can you boot with the 'nomodeset' parameter (in wayland) ?
[17:46] <kavvadias> hello everyone, im trying to build cardano-node and  i cant get libsystemd-journal dependency to resolve, i get this error  https://pastebin.com/y9P0ADXr , I'm on pop-os 22.04 (ubuntu)
[17:46] <tomreyn> flaf: thanks
[17:46] <Guest989> tomreyn: How can I keep it on my system I dont want to upgrade it to the newer version at least untill 2025. But my vps says after my installs "your system needs to be restarted to apply upgrades." But i want to keep 20.04 LTS on my system even if my vps is restarted after installed.
[17:46] <tomreyn> !kernelparm | flaf
[17:46] <Guest989> is there any command?
[17:47] <ioria> flaf, of course, i assume you don't have broken packages, ppas, etc. etc. installed
[17:47] <tomreyn> Guest989: there's nothing you need to do, the system will not automatically upgrade to 22.04. if you reboot, this just applies the (currently installed but not active) security updates
[17:48] <tomreyn> Guest989: so, what you should do is reboot soon, to apply those security updates. but don't worry, there won't be a release upgrade happening without your explicit request for it.
[17:49] <flaf> ioria: 1. just add "nomodeset" in kernel linux paramater, reboot and try to reproduce the bug, correct? 2. broken packages => no. ppas, what it is?
[17:49] <tomreyn> ioria: we did check on this to some degree.
[17:49] <tomreyn> !ppa | flaf
[17:49] <ioria> flaf, yes, tomreyn i see
[17:50] <JoeLlama> arraybolt3[m] lubuntu is installed and I'm so freakin' happy with it... thanks for your help.... next I need to get a UPS for it that will give me like 10 minutes before shutdown...  I suspect I will need close to 1000 watts of backup power.
[17:50] <ioria> flaf, grep -r -i ppa /etc/apt/ would tell
[17:51] <flaf> ioria: you will see in the attachment in the apt config, I have added the sources.list http://ppa.launchpad.net/phoerious/keepassxc/ubuntu, to use keepassxc (to store my password).
[17:51] <tomreyn> ioria: <flaf> tomreyn: => { grep -hEv '^([ ]*#.*)?$' /etc/apt/sources.list; echo [17:51] <tomreyn> please see irclogs.ubuntu.com
[17:52] <tomreyn> oh i had not seen this zip, nice
[17:52] <flaf> tomreyn: ioria: all output showed in IRC are present in the attachment file gnome-shell-automatic-lock-screen.zip of the bug issue.
[17:53] <tomreyn> lovely
[17:53] <ioria> ok
[17:53] <flaf> I'll try modeset and I'll be back. ;)
[17:54] <tomreyn> flaf: make sure you test it on the wayland session ;)
[17:54] <flaf> tomreyn: Ok. (oops "nomodeset" not "modeset")
[17:55] <tomreyn> right
[17:56] <tomreyn> personally, i think it would be more promiding to install !ddebs and reproduce and switch to xorg again so the crash report (this time with symbols) will upload.
[17:56] <tomreyn> but ruling out driver involvement is easy enough, good point.
[17:59] <ioria> flaf, and try with just one monitor if you're using more than one
[18:06] <Guest989> tomreyn: So, i shouldn't use `sudo do-release-upgrade` command to upgrade the newer version? I want to keep my current release. Sorry for my dumb question i'm a newbie.
[18:07] <enigma9o7[m]> Right, if you want to stay on 20.04, don't do-release-upgrade.
[18:08] <enigma9o7[m]> You can still apt update, apt upgrade, apt dist-upgrade without worry.
[18:09] <Guest989> Yes. I want to stay on 20.04 untill nginx updates itself
[18:10] <Guest989> my webserver is broken with nginx and openssl 3 when  i upgrade to 22.04
[18:10] <Guest989> i will back to 20.04
[18:11] <tomreyn> broken how?
[18:11] <Guest989> i have many error messages in nginx error.log about ssl thing
[18:11] <Guest989> everyday i clean it
[18:11] <Guest989> because i have many clients
[18:13] <tomreyn> if the fact that many error messages are logged by a publicly accessible webserver makes it broken, then all public webservers which do logging are broken
[18:14] <flaf> ioria: I will put the feedback in the issue but with nomodeset: 1. the choice "Ubuntu on Xorg" at login appears no longer at login, I can choose only Openbox or Ubuntu (and I have chosen Ubuntu), 2. I have only one monitor which works (the HP monitor), the other monitor (Asus) is ignored. And in this case, the automatic lock screen works correctly (I can find my running applis after a re-login).
[18:15] <ioria> so might  be about the driver
[18:17] <ioria> flaf, i'd try another kernel, if you have it
[18:20] <flaf> ioria: I have only one kernel I think => dpkg --list | grep linux-image | grep ^ii => linux-image-generic and linux-image-5.15.0-46-generic
[18:21] <ioria> i see
[18:21] <flaf> ioria: it's a recent Ubuntu 22.04 which I have cleaned after the migration from 20.04 few days ago.
[18:22] <ioria> yes, if you hve also intel you can blacklist themodule and use intel
[18:22] <ioria> sy, afk
[18:25] <flaf> ioria: no sure to understand... :-/
[18:26] <tomreyn> flaf: it doesn't apply in your case, you have two AMD graphics chipsets using the same (amdgpu) driver, none other.
[18:27] <flaf> Ok.
[18:28] <nunya> is there some way of showing mounted volumes/drives on desktop in ubuntu 22.04 like there was in 20.04? I don't want them on the dock but the desktop.
[18:32] <tomreyn> flaf: i think you provided enough info for a developer to chime in and ask more targetted questions. if you would still like to do more to add to your bug report, you could try and report what happens when you (a) boot with just one monitor connected and try to reproduce it (on wayland),  (b) temporarily rename ~/.config/monitors.xml (so it is no longer loaded),   (c) install !ddebs for at least gnome-shell and amgdpu, reproduce the bug, login
[18:32] <tomreyn> to the Xorg session to submit the crash report
[18:32] <arraybolt3[m]> JoeLlama: Glad to hear it worked out!
[18:34] <kavvadias> can i get help for pop_os here?
[18:34] <tomreyn> flaf: as a reminder, it would also be of interest to know whether you are able to cause the same issue by manually / immediately locking the screen, such as by selecting the "lock icon" option from the top right drop down menu, or by pressing Meta-L (Windows-L).
[18:35] <tomreyn> !popos | kavvadias
[18:35] <kavvadias> ok thank you
[18:35] <tomreyn> thanks for asking
[18:38] <nunya> Also if I go into Settings>Background or Settings>Appearance it overides icon settings in Tweaks  and uses default desktop icons even though I haven't made any changes. Any way to keep thhis from happening other than never using it?
[18:47] <tomreyn> nunya: for the first part: sudo apt install gnome-shell-extension-prefs    then run Extensions (from the menu), then, in the built-in section, under "Desktop Icons NG (DING)", click on "Settings" and make your choices as needed.
[19:06] <nunya> tomreyn:thanks, I was googling forever and not finding how to add mounted volumes to desktop ubuntu 22.04 I could find every version but 22.04
[19:51] <Stumblingwithit> Anyone ever installed ubuntu on RAID0 nvme's (500GB).  Following angryants's guide at :
[19:51] <Stumblingwithit> https://forum.level1techs.com/t/raid0-nvme-on-ubuntu-repost/153779
[19:51] <Stumblingwithit> I get the raid0 up and running on /dev/md0 and create the partitions on them (/,/home,/swap) and as the tutorial says I create a /boot and /efi on my other 1TB disk (/dev/sda).
[19:51] <Stumblingwithit> Im getting the Unable to install grub error no matter where I try to place it.
[19:51] <Stumblingwithit> Anyone conquered this one before?
[19:56] <cbreak> Stumblingwithit: did you partition your disks? did you give the md thing a partition or the whole device?
[19:56] <cbreak> why raid0? do you not care about your data? :)
[19:58] <Stumblingwithit> Datas backed up to NAS and in the end I'm workin on building out a more VM/thinclient solution.
[19:59] <Stumblingwithit> Correct, I did partition using the following:
[19:59] <Stumblingwithit> sudo apt-get install mdadm
[19:59] <Stumblingwithit> sudo mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/nvme0n1
[19:59] <Stumblingwithit> sudo mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/nvme1n1
[19:59] <Stumblingwithit> sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/nvme0n1 bs=1M count=1000
[19:59] <Stumblingwithit> sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/nvme1n1 bs=1M count=1000
[19:59] <cbreak> you should use some paste bin, not span the channel
[19:59] <cbreak> but this doesn't look like you partition anything
[19:59] <cbreak> you use the whole nvme for MD
[20:00] <cbreak> you should have a /boot, and a /boot/efi partition
[20:01] <cbreak> the latter should be a fat32 efi partition
[20:01] <Stumblingwithit> in the tutorial it says to create an efi and boot on the other drive (sda) which is my 1TB disk.
[20:01] <cbreak> it should be mounted inside /boot/efi
[20:01] <Stumblingwithit> then in the install  it seem like what I select to use for the boot loader it still fails saying GRAB installation error.
[20:02] <Stumblingwithit> Excellent Ill try that Thank you!
[20:02] <cbreak> I switched away from grub
[20:02] <cbreak> if you want to try a similar adventure, you can look at refind + systemdboot for example
[20:02] <cbreak> that might be easier to handle (or not)
[20:06] <Stumblingwithit> Im searching it out now and trying to clear the the  fog on it.  In the mean time giving  the sub directory a try.  So for Size 1GB for Boot and 500MB for EFI?
[20:06] <cbreak> only 1 GB for boot? optimistic
[20:12] <tarzeau> cbreak: enough for 9 kernels
[20:13] <tarzeau> trick is /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/compress:COMPRESS=xz
[20:48] <tomreyn> tarzeau: do you happen to know which release this starts working in?
[20:49] <tarzeau> tomreyn: been using it since 18.04, and 20.04 and 22.04
[20:50] <tomreyn> on bionic, /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf has this comment: "# COMPRESS: [ gzip | bzip2 | lzma | lzop | xz ]" - so it *should* work, but i seem to remember that there were quite some problems with some of the comrpression settings
[20:50] <tomreyn> oh, you have first hand experience, great, thanks.
[20:51] <tomreyn> a well equipped amd64 here, which you're probably also refering to.
[20:51] <tomreyn> i would not do it on some of the older armhfs
[20:53] <tomreyn> actually those will boot differently anyways :)
[20:55] <tarzeau> i'm using it on 200 machines
[20:55] <tarzeau> also using it on arm64
[20:56] <tomreyn> sounds good :)
[20:56] <tarzeau> or not , but should try some day
[20:59] <linuxlite> I have no web browser installed on Linuxlite..
[20:59] <linuxlite> Need help..
[21:00] <tomreyn> linuxlite: install ubuntu, and we'll be happy to support you here.
[21:00] <tomreyn> in the meantime, maybe try #linux
[21:01] <linuxlite> Thanks
[21:02] <tomreyn> good luck!
[21:14] <lsblk> tomreyn: I take it as this channel does not asnwer questions related to distros based on ubuntu, and only pure ubuntu ?
[21:15] <lsblk> answer* mistakes happen
[21:15] <tomreyn> lsblk: the primary topic is what's stated in the /topic, ubuntu support.
[21:15] <jhutchins> lsblk: That's correct.  We can't know what they've changed.
[21:16] <lsblk> That is why I remained silent, when he asked :)
[21:16] <lsblk> thank you for the clarification
[22:23] <NFVblog> hi, I'm NFVblog full stack-dev and sysadmin
[23:02] <kirby> hi
[23:18] <yin> hi. i'm having trouble after upgrading to 22.04. i can ssh into my server and from there i can ping IPs but pinging domains gives me "Temporary failure in name resolution". `resolvectl status | grep Current` gives me "Current Scopes: none"
[23:20] <yin> does this have to do with switching to netplan?
[23:21] <Md> I am trying to autoinstall 22.04. cloud-init manages to corectly find and process my user-data, but then just continues with the interactive install. how can I debug this?
[23:22] <Md> I know that cloud-init works because I have checked the log and now there are not syntax errors anymore...
[23:24] <Md> nothing obvious in the journal either, and the last line matching "autoinstall" is about "subiquity/Late/apply_autoinstall_config"
[23:40] <webchat30> I have dual boot with windows 10 and Xubuntu, now I can't boot and show that "shim lock protocol not found". What is that? How repair it?
[23:40] <arraybolt3> What was the last thing that happened before your system stopped booting?
[23:41] <webchat30> Turn off and disconnect, noting more
[23:42] <arraybolt3> Did a Windows update or Xubuntu update happen just before you turned off?
[23:44] <webchat30> No
[23:45] <arraybolt3> Hmm. OK, what brand and model of computer do you have?
[23:45] <arraybolt3> Something like "Dell Inspiron 7000" is what I'm looking for.
[23:45] <oerheks> maybe you need to enable the keys in your bios? also check for a bios update?
[23:47] <webchat30> I7 4790k on Asus h97 plus
[23:47] <webchat30> Is old compu, the bios has last update
[23:50] <arraybolt3> webchat30: Hmm, I was gonna recomment popping open the boot menu but this motherboard seems to make that difficult...
[23:53] <arraybolt3> OK, found it!
[23:53] <arraybolt3> webchat30: Get into your BIOS, enter Advanced Mode and open the Boot Menu, then select Boot Override and see if you can specifically select Xubuntu to boot from.
[23:53] <webchat30> The problem or a solution?
[23:53] <arraybolt3> I found how to potentially boot one of the operating systems on there.
[23:54] <arraybolt3> That will help us fix the problem.
[23:54] <arraybolt3> (Also the manual I'm referring to for your motherboard is here: https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/LGA1150/H97-PLUS/E9723_H97-PLUS_Guide_v2_web_high_res.pdf)
[23:54] <arraybolt3> (So you can use that to figure out how to get into the BIOS, advanced mode, boot menu, boot override.)
[23:55] <wez> Does a BIOS stikl exist these days? I thought it was all called firmware now. Does the mainboard support secure boot at all?
[23:56] <webchat30> Wait a minute please, I gonna turn on the comp
[23:56] <matsaman> wez: any given computer may use one or emulate one, yes
[23:58] <matsaman> you say 'firmware' to people who already need help, instead of 'UEFI' or 'BIOS', and things can get confusing <shrug>
[23:58] <wez> UEFI = firmware
[23:59] <wez> I find an actual word less confusing than an acronym. either way, lets take this discussion to the other channel.