[00:09] <BUGabundo> gnome-do: (Do:17634): Wnck-CRITICAL **: wnck_set_client_type got called multiple times.
[00:09] <BUGabundo> raof is not here :(
[00:14] <th1> how can I install, all the games of ubuntu at once?
[00:14] <th1> like "apt-get install --category=games" :)
[00:15] <penguin42> hehe
[00:15] <BUGabundo> lololol
[00:15] <th1> because I often go with my netbook where there's no net and if I'm bored I want to try various games I haven't tried before :)
[00:15] <penguin42> th1: apt-get install `apt-cache search game|cut -d- -f1`
[00:16] <penguin42> oh hang on, not quite right
[00:16] <th1> hm .. surely | grep -v ^lib
[00:16] <th1> eve then there are lots that are not games :)
[00:17] <penguin42> apt-get install `apt-cache search game|cut '-d ' -f1|uniq`   splitting on the - was dumb
[00:17] <xim_> so i installed karmic, i have a second hard drive, and on my old ubuntu it would mount it automatically which is what i want.  but now its asking me for my admin password every time i boot up to mount it? can i change this?
[00:17] <penguin42> th1: I reckoned the libs were probably used by games if they matched gam
[00:17] <penguin42> e
[00:17] <th1> inside "apt" there is whole section called "games"
[00:17] <th1> there must surely be a way to list just those
[00:17] <bjsnider> somebody could build a metapackage for that task
[00:18] <bjsnider> it would grab torcs, sauerbraten, nexuiz etc.
[00:21] <th1> in fact inside aptitude's gui it was possible to just press + on the whole group
[00:21] <th1> now they are all getting installed :)
[00:22] <th1> lol, there sure is a lot. 33 minutes download with 2MB/Sec
[00:22] <BUGabundo> a few games are 400MBs just for data
[00:23] <bjsnider> yeah, the 3 i just mentioned among them
[00:23] <th1> well I got 160gb disk and I'm using about 10 so I'll be ok
[00:24] <penguin42> which reminds me; I keep wondering how many penguin images there are on a typical ubuntu hard disc
[00:24] <th1> does it include ascii art ones;)
[00:24] <penguin42> and why not
[00:24] <BUGabundo> ahah
[00:25] <th1> maybe if there was an open source version of Google's picasa face recognizer it could look for al the tuxes
[00:28] <th1> are there any free games that are a bit like world of warcraft with a free server?
[01:14] <proq> does anyone know how to use .xsession for login in gdm?  it's only giving me the options to use gnome or xterm in the session
[01:16] <DanaG> wtf... pulseaudio isn't offering output on my usb sound card!
[01:16] <bjsnider> i thought you said it went there automatically when you lug it in
[01:17] <DanaG> Nope.
[01:17] <DanaG> Not when PA thinks it offers only "stereo input", and nothing else.
[01:17] <DanaG> I unplugged and replugged the card a bunch of times, and it finally crashed pulseaudio... and then the next time PA started, it offered surround again.
[01:18] <proq> also, does anyone know how to turn on autologin?  the autologin options moved and gdm.conf-custom moved as well, which leaves me no gui or cli to set autologin
[01:18] <aboSamoor> the last updates of PA really messed up the stable audio behavior, now closing any flash player will remove the analog output from the sound preferences
[01:19] <aboSamoor> so you don't have any more sound, unless you restart the system !
[01:21] <aboSamoor> I have a solution to the flash player syndrome, a new FF add on that allow the user to play the video content by totem as any mp3 or mwv content,
[01:22] <aboSamoor> in this way we can forget the naughty flash player
[01:22] <BUGabundo> http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=3488
[01:23] <BUGabundo> oops
[01:23] <BUGabundo> wron channel
[01:24] <jonathonf> ooo, test4-ubuntu2 packages
[01:26] <proq> ouch, no vbox on ubuntu 9.10.  maybe if I disable NMI it will work  :P
[01:27] <proq> menu.lst moved in karmic!?!?
[01:28] <LLStarks> hi. is there a proper way to request a package update for karmic?
[01:28] <SeveredCross> There's no more menu.lst. ;)
[01:28] <SeveredCross> proq: grub2 has different configuration.
[01:28] <SeveredCross> LLStarks: File a bug in launchpad.
[01:29] <jonathonf> proq: vbox does work, it just doesn;t always want to start first time
[01:29] <jonathonf> $ sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv start
[01:29] <jonathonf> should get it to work eventually, though 3.0.4 seems better
[01:31] <BUGabundo> !packaging | LLStarks
[01:32] <DanaG> hmm, is there going to be an update for paprefs?
[01:32] <DanaG> It broke again.
[01:33] <DanaG> "broke" as in "Network Access tab is broken".
[01:38] <bjsnider> we need a really good ebook reader for linux
[01:42] <DanaG> define "e-book" -- what makes it different from a PDF?
[01:42] <DanaG> Is it a specific file format?
[01:43] <virtuald> it can be a pdf
[01:45] <virtuald> it's a book in a digital format that does not have to be PDF
[01:47] <DanaG> ah, now RAOP isn't even offering a sink.
[01:49] <DanaG> And pulseaudio -vvvv gives no output from that module.
[01:51] <BUGabundo> done for tonight
[01:51] <DanaG> E: alsa-sink.c: ALSA woke us up to write new data to the device, but there was actually nothing to write!  Most likely this is a bug in the ALSA driver 'snd_usb_audio'. Please report this issue to the ALSA developers.  We were woken up with POLLOUT set -- however a subsequent snd_pcm_avail() returned 0 or another value < min_avail.
[01:55] <DanaG> hmm, not that that raop does me much good, anyway.
[01:55] <DanaG> The only speakers I even like... are the ones connected to my usb sound card.  =þ
[02:09] <dtchen> too bad usb audio is a pile of crap
[02:09] <jonathonf> looks like verne went down...
[02:17] <DanaG> yeah, USB audio IS a pile of crap.
[02:17] <DanaG> But nobody makes a nice sound card for laptops.
[02:17] <bjsnider> it's ok on mac systems
[02:17] <DanaG> Or rather, none like what I'd want.
[02:17] <DanaG> What I'd want: something like the Xonar cards, but in an ExpressCard form factor.
[02:19] <DanaG> The only ExpressCard sound card out there, is the not-really-an-X-Fi "X"treme Audio card.
[02:19] <DanaG> It's not Extreme... it's X...treme.
[02:20] <bjsnider> i'm sure there will be a decent driver for that at some point in the next couple of years
[02:20] <DanaG> That's not the issue... the issue is that I don't want to give Creative any of my money -- they're scum, in my opinion.
[02:21] <bjsnider> why is that?
[02:24] <DanaG> You didn't see the whole thing about two years ago, about them deliberately cripping their drivers... and then LYING about it?
[02:24] <bjsnider> yes i did see that
[02:24] <bjsnider> but that was a licensing issue
[02:24] <bjsnider> they had to disable some features that were no longer properly licensed
[02:24] <DanaG> Well, they disabled it on cards where it had worked before.
[02:24] <DanaG> And the point is, they LIED about it.  Flat-out lied.
[02:24] <DanaG> Dolby-digital decoding.
[02:24] <DanaG> And then they went behind everybody's backs... and gave Dell the drivers that  had the feature enabled.
[02:24] <DanaG> so yeah, I will not give Creative any of my money for a misleadingly-named-anyway sound card.
[02:24] <bjsnider> dell may have paid the licensing fees
[02:25] <bjsnider> i don't know if they lied, but they may not have made their position entirely clear
[02:25] <DanaG> I paid the licensing fees when I bought my sound card.
[02:25] <bjsnider> not necesarily
[02:25] <DanaG> It worked in XP, and it worked in Vista for the beta drivers... and then stopped working on new drivers.
[02:25] <bjsnider> yes but the license ran out
[02:25] <DanaG> That's bullshit -- and exactly part of why software patents suck.
[02:26] <bjsnider> language your watch
[02:26] <DanaG> And Creative has now ALSO revoked C-Media's rights to Sensaura's stuff... actively removing features from pre-existing products.
[02:26] <bjsnider> i'm not arguing that software patents are a good thing. i'm against all IP. but it exists despite my idealism
[02:28] <DanaG> And they didn't say "remove feature in newer drivers".. they actually did this:
[02:28] <DanaG> if (OS is Vista) then (Break these features).
[02:28] <bjsnider> yes becaquse they hadn't paid for them
[02:28] <DanaG> If it was about license expiring... then they'd have to have removed the feature for the newer XP drivers, too!
[02:29] <bjsnider> should they put themselves out of business to please their customers?
[02:29] <DanaG> Well, what I'm saying is that the license explanation makes no sense.
[02:29] <bjsnider> you think their directors are twirling their moustaches in a dark room thinking of ways to screw their customers?
[02:29] <DanaG> It wouldn't surprise me.
[02:30] <bjsnider> oh come on now
[02:30] <bjsnider> so you won't buy auzentech stuff either
[02:30] <DanaG> Nope.
[02:30] <DanaG> Besides, they don't make anything for notebooks.
[02:30] <bjsnider> well, if you had a desktop
[02:31] <DanaG> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=123743
[02:31] <bjsnider> and you wanted a prelude
[02:31] <DanaG> Nope.  I'd get a Xonar.
[02:31] <bjsnider> the prelude is superior
[02:31] <DanaG> It's X-Fi.  I don't want it to crash under 4 gigs of RAM... a bug that's existed for ages, then was fixed... and then apparently has come back.
[02:31] <bjsnider> auzentech's drivers work and have all of the features
[02:32] <bjsnider> wait. i thought this was a normative argument, now you've made it pragmatic
[02:33] <bjsnider> now the x-fi doesn't work, when before it was about boycotting creative
[02:33] <DanaG> It's both.
[02:33] <bjsnider> ok
[02:33] <bjsnider> well, my audigy2 works great
[02:33] <DanaG> Plus, the cardbus audigy2 is another great example of crap construction: brittle plastic that broke even under normal use.
[02:34] <DanaG> oh, and then they downgraded it to a really-an-sblive card for newer laptops.
[02:34] <DanaG> (a.k.a. "Xtreme Audio").
[02:34] <DanaG> Anyway, so yeah, USB audio sucks, but there's nothing else worthwhile for laptops.
[02:34] <bjsnider> even the sblive would be better than the usual realtek ac'97 crap
[02:35] <bjsnider> you'd have bass/treble controls
[02:35] <DanaG> I like flat.
[02:35] <bjsnider> have you got those now btw?
[02:35] <DanaG> Don't need them.
[02:35] <DanaG> Good speakers render it unnecessary.
[02:35] <bjsnider> yeah but if you did, are they available?
[02:35] <DanaG> Or  good enough, rather.
[02:35] <DanaG> Moot point.
[02:36] <bjsnider> so they're not available
[02:36] <DanaG> Oh yeah, buy the X-Fi Extreme Audio Notebook, for surround sound *
[02:36] <DanaG> * analog I/O module costs 30 bucks extra!
[02:36] <bjsnider> i wouldn't buy it for pragmatic reasons
[02:36] <DanaG> And for like 6 months after the introduction of the card, it wasn't even available ANYWHERE.
[02:36] <DanaG> Buy this ATV, for 6-wheel drive!  *
[02:36] <DanaG> *  6-wheel drive costs extra.
[02:36] <DanaG> Same idea.
[02:37] <bjsnider> but if i had a windows system i'd buy an auzentech prelude
[02:37] <DanaG> I just wish somebody would make a C-Media-based ExpressCard sound card.
[02:37] <bjsnider> well, that will happen at some point i'm sure
[02:40] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and the cardbus audigy2 never did work very well.
[02:40] <DanaG> You'd go to "safely remove" the card... and cthelper would crash, unkillably.
[02:40] <DanaG> If I then pulled out the sound card, it'd BSOD.  Every time.
[02:41] <DanaG> In fact, the only way I could get it NOT to bsod... was to close anything that could possibly be using the card... and then just yank it out.
[02:41] <DanaG> Bonus feature in the C-Media windows drivers: a voice-changer on the mic input!
[02:41] <bjsnider> sounds like windows's fault
[02:41] <DanaG> No, it's Creative's fault.
[02:41] <DanaG> No other device did that.
[02:41] <DanaG> And cthelper.... is a Creative thing.
[02:41] <bjsnider> what about another cardbus sound card?
[02:42] <DanaG> I don't have any others.  =þ
[02:42] <DanaG> But the USB one doesn't do that, for example.
[02:42] <DanaG> Oh, and if you had music playing, and then plugged in headphones...
[02:42] <bjsnider> so what you're trying to say is...
[02:42] <DanaG> BAM!
[02:42] <bjsnider> that you're not entirely happy with the creative corporation.
[02:42] <DanaG> IT BLASTED YOU with full volume for a split second, on both speakers and headphones.
[02:42] <DanaG> Got hearing damage?  Thanks, Creative!
[02:43] <DanaG> oh yeah, anyway, now I use Linux as my primary OS, anyway.
[02:43] <DanaG> And my CPU is good enough that it's no big deal to run Windows apps with software audio.
[02:43] <DanaG> through "universal ALChemy" -- can do software OpenAL with EAX.  Doesn't work in Wine, unfortunately.
[02:44] <bjsnider> why did you switch to linux?
[02:44] <DanaG> One big thing was the font rendering, in fact.
[02:44] <DanaG> Even on my old (100DPI) laptop, I'd notice I could read the screen all day with little eyestrain in Linux... but after just 10 minutes in Windows, my eyes would be hurting.
[02:44] <DanaG> The multi-device features of PulseAudio are another big one.
[02:45] <DanaG> Oh, and don't forget compiz -- for things like magic-lamp and "scale".
[02:45] <bjsnider> fonts in xp are absurdly bad
[02:45] <bjsnider> vista is good though
[02:45] <DanaG> I mean Vista, though.
[02:45] <bjsnider> well vista has antialiased fonts on the desktop
[02:45] <DanaG> My new laptop has a 147 DPI display; Linux tends to deal well with DPI scaling; Windows apps, not as well.
[02:46] <DanaG> Depends on the application, of course.
[02:46] <bjsnider> but i thought fonts were much better on linux even say 8 or 9 years ago
[02:46] <bjsnider> xp made such a big meal out of changing font sizes and types, and still does
[02:47] <DOTSLASH> i have an issue on my ubuntu system, kernels > 2.6.28-12-generic don't boot
[02:47] <DOTSLASH> when i get to gdm, all my input/output doesn't work and then i get the capslock light switch blink... can anyone help me
[02:47] <bjsnider> 8 years ago when kde was still good you could change every font size on the system with one checkbox
[02:48] <DanaG> caps-lock blinking is a kernel panic.
[02:49] <DanaG> I wish somebody would make a noise-cancelling thing for array microphones in Linux.
[02:49] <DanaG> My array mic pics up my CPU fan and hard drive... and my typing.  The Windows audio drivers manage to remove those noises somehow.
[02:50] <DOTSLASH> DanaG, what do i do
[02:50] <DanaG> bjsnider:  oh yeah, another thing with Creative: they never did ever say "Our license expired"... they said "It's not supported in Vista".  That's what's so bad.  The blatant lie... it had worked perfectly fine the week before, before the beta drivers timebombed, and worked fine for Dell.  So "licensing" is irrelevant to that explanation.
[02:51] <DanaG> dotslash: try editing the grub thingy to boot without "quiet splash", and with "text".
[02:51] <DanaG> That'll give you boot messages, and prevent it from trying to start GDM.
[02:52] <bjsnider> DanaG, they only lied because it was the easiest way to get what they wanted.
[02:52] <DOTSLASH> menu.lst?
[02:52] <DanaG> You can just hit 'e' right at the grub screen.
[02:52] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and same was true of 6.1 support... it worked in the beta.  "Not Supported."
[02:53] <DanaG> 6.1 is a bit hackish, anyway -- not even Linux supports it.
[02:53] <bjsnider> why do those horizontal red lines appear from time to time?
[02:55] <DanaG> oh yeah, and apparently the expresscard xfxa card is really an hda-intel.
[02:55] <virtuald> good night. fre 7 aug 2009 03.58.33 CEST
[02:55] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and I opened my cardbus audigy2 to see what it had in it; the answer: CA0109-01AG
[02:56] <DanaG> er, maybe it's just "1AG", not "01AG".
[02:56] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and desupporting cards while still selling them.... is also scummy.  You can't have your cake and eat it too: if you desupport it, then STOP SELLING IT!
[02:57] <bjsnider> this is fast becoming DanaG's bash creative channel
[02:58] <DanaG> anyway, I guess I am way off-topic there; /me pipes that topic to /dev/null
[02:58] <DanaG> oh yeah, and my USB sound card works nicely enough.  biggest gripe: Turtle Beach thought it would be cool to have a bright yellow LED that BLINKS when the card is active.
[02:59] <DanaG> So, I have to shove the thing in a corner.
[03:00] <oldude67> sounds like you could hang a disco ball and have a party with it..lmao
[03:00] <DanaG> nah, it's not cool enough for that.
[03:01] <DanaG> Speaking of blinking... the default behavior of iwlagn cards in Linux is to blink on activity.  I had to google how to disable that, because it's godawful annoying.
[03:01] <DanaG> And distracting.
[03:01] <DanaG> It'd be easier if it were at least a module parameter.
[03:02] <oldude67> paint them red and hang them by the window and people will think your running a ho house..lol
[03:02] <DanaG> them?
[03:02] <DanaG> what's "them"?
[03:02] <oldude67> one on the wlan card and the one on the sound.
[03:03] <DanaG> nope, I just stuck the sound card back behind my desk, and added an if-up.d file to disable blinking.
[03:04] <oldude67> i leave the light on my monitor blinking when the screen goes blank so people think my computer is off and then they dont mess with it.
[03:05] <DanaG> oh yeah, fun thing: I can play neverball with my laptop.  Not "on", but "with".
[03:05] <DanaG> =þ
[03:05] <DanaG> ... not that I actually like that game all that much.
[03:06] <oldude67> ok well hope it gets better for ya im out for the night been a long day time to rest ...see ya.:D
[03:07] <DanaG> Is there some app out there that can perform a specific command when it detects a joystick passing a certain point?
[03:08] <DanaG> I want to make it so that if somebody picks up my laptop, it says "Put me down!".
[03:18] <theron> Hey all. just upgraded to test Karmic on an ancient T40 notebook.
[03:18] <theron> everything is working save Do and notify.
[03:19] <theron> instead of the app there is just a rectangular plaid window.
[03:19] <theron> no visual effects on.
[03:20] <bjsnider> you don't have any opengl capability
[03:20] <bjsnider> no compositing
[03:20] <theron> it worked ok in previous versions.
[03:20] <theron> without visual effect on.
[03:21] <zaccour> ever since i upgraded to alpha devede fails to generate menus is there a fix for this?
[03:21] <DanaG> ugh, I'm bored.
[03:23] <bjsnider> theron, which graphics card?
[03:24] <BluesKaj> zaccour, try reinstalling devede or install tovid for making dvd files in the cli
[03:26] <bjsnider> DanaG, watch that movie "Face/Off 2: The Final Revenge of Castor"
[03:27] <theron> bjsnider: radeon
[03:29] <bjsnider> theron,  which one?
[03:30] <bjsnider> theron, open up a console and run "lspci"
[03:31] <theron> lspci | grep VGA
[03:31] <theron> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500]
[03:34] <bjsnider> ok, so no more fglrx for that
[03:34] <bjsnider> you'll be using only the xf86-video-ati driver from now on
[03:35] <bjsnider> which uh.. i dunno what the state of that thing is
[03:35] <bjsnider> try glxgears
[03:35] <bjsnider>  try glxinfo
[03:38] <theron> bjsnider: http://pastebin.com/m7ce69ee9
[03:39] <bjsnider> well, you've got 3d on that setup
[03:39] <bjsnider> compiz should work and so should the other items you mentioned
[03:39] <theron> compiz won't enable.
[03:39] <bjsnider> i'm impressed
[03:39] <theron> notify = plaid Gnome do = plaid
[03:39] <bjsnider> i thought that driver much much worse than that
[03:39] <theron> lol
[03:40] <theron> I love this notebook, I don't need compiz, but I'd like to use Do again someday on this notebook.
[03:40] <bjsnider> try running compiz --replace from the console to check the potential problem report
[03:41] <theron> interesting.  that started compiz will post to pastebin.
[03:42] <BluesKaj> theron, try fgl_glxgears
[03:43] <theron> BluesKaj: not installed
[03:43] <BluesKaj> you should get a spinning cube with rotating gears
[03:43] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[03:44] <theron> bjsnider: http://pastebin.com/m14c69bba
[03:44] <bjsnider> i think fglrx support for that old chip was removed
[03:45] <ghindo> Does anybody know when gnome-zeitgeist will be available in the Karmic repos?
[03:45] <bjsnider> i think you'd need xgl
[03:47] <BluesKaj> bummer , I used to use it on my onboard ati x200, but no more spinning cubes with gears on them eith nvidia gt7600 ...there's one in compiz but it's lame
[03:47] <BluesKaj> err 7600gt
[03:47] <theron> bjsnider: any way to keep this enabled from boot?
[03:49] <bjsnider> try installing xgl
[03:49] <DanaG> xgl?  bah.
[03:49] <DanaG> xgl is an old hack.
[03:49] <DanaG> Obsolete.
[03:49] <bjsnider> aiglx
[03:49] <DanaG> =þ
[03:50] <DanaG> hmm, if you were to save the fgl_glxgears binary somewhere, could you use it on a different opengl driver?
[04:37] <SodaPhish> anyone know what killed screenlets in Karmic?  it was working before I updated this afternoon.
[04:38] <SodaPhish> anyone else had issues with screenlets?
[04:38] <SodaPhish> this gnome-panel crap is pissing me off.
[04:38] <SodaPhish> anyone?
[04:38] <SodaPhish> beuller?
[04:38] <SodaPhish> beuller?
[04:39] <xim_> my current trouble is with compiz
[04:39] <SodaPhish> jfc, whats the point of 170 ppl idling in an IRC channel?
[04:39] <xim_> it wont come on
[04:39] <xim_> geh
[04:39] <SodaPhish> xim_ oh.
[04:39] <SodaPhish> maybe they're related?
[04:39] <SodaPhish> I haven't checked to see if compiz is acting up or not.
[04:39] <xim_> hmm maybe
[04:39] <SodaPhish> whats the control panel called?
[04:40] <SodaPhish> what's the compiz control panel called again?
[04:40] <SodaPhish> (no menu)
[04:40] <SodaPhish> it was on the screenlets
[04:40] <xim_> im trying to turn it on with system>preferences>appearance>visual effects> * extras
[04:40] <xim_> or theres also ccsm
[04:41] <xim_> but im not sure if that turns it on or just changes its settings
[04:42] <SodaPhish> wth, I have no visual effects
[04:42] <SodaPhish> :-(
[04:43] <xim_> did it sayt hey couldnt be enabled?
[04:43] <SodaPhish> no, there wasn't even a menu option for it!
[04:43] <SodaPhish> that's odd
[04:43] <SodaPhish> hmmm... perhaps this is a lead in my problem.
[04:43] <xim_> its a tab usually
[04:44] <SodaPhish> yeah, when I clicked on "Display", it barfed about not being able to control my video card and asking if I wanted to launch the vendor's tool
[04:44]  * SodaPhish has an nVidia chipset
[04:44] <xim_> do you have the restricted drivers?
[04:44] <SodaPhish> ja
[04:44] <xim_> i just installed mine
[04:44] <xim_> but ive been playing tons of 3d games and they work
[04:45] <SodaPhish> yeah, I've been playing UrT and it works great
[04:45] <SodaPhish> that's not the issue
[04:45] <SodaPhish> just wondering if the whole compiz issue is some how related to my inability to run screenlets.
[04:45] <xim_> yeah iono dawg
[04:45] <SodaPhish> I know screenlets has an option to use a "widget" layer.
[04:46] <xim_> actually i have a screenlet running right now
[04:46] <SodaPhish> bstard!
[04:46] <xim_> but it was preset in my settings in my home folder
[04:46] <SodaPhish> well, I need to be able to run ANY of them.
[04:46] <SodaPhish> right now, I got a big nothing
[04:46]  * SodaPhish is sweating his nuts off 'cause the kids won't leave the air on in their room... omg
[04:48] <SodaPhish> what ver of python you got?
[04:48] <SodaPhish> 2.6 or 2.5?  both?
[04:49] <xim_> im not sure, whatever came on karmic
[04:49] <SodaPhish> huzah!
[04:49] <SodaPhish> I got one to run...
[04:49] <SodaPhish> 2.6 runs on karmic
[04:49] <SodaPhish> err, ships with it.
[04:50] <SodaPhish> huzah!
[04:50] <SodaPhish> I just had to nuke the config for each of the screenlets
[04:50] <SodaPhish> then it workd
[04:50] <SodaPhish> yay
[04:51] <xim_> hmm maybe i should nuke my compiz folder
[04:51] <xim_> good idea
[04:51] <DanaG> http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/06/hitachi-one-ups-wd-with-industry-first-2tb-7200rpm-3-5-inch-hard
[04:51] <DanaG> er
[04:51] <DanaG> random for this channel..
[04:52] <DanaG> meant to paste it elsewhere.
[04:52] <SodaPhish> well, I wasn't extending that as a fix to you, but if you try it and it works, I'll take the credit.
[04:52] <SodaPhish> ;-)
[04:52] <xim_> man thats retarded
[04:52] <xim_> new hd technology
[04:52] <xim_> hds in the future will be totally impossible to retreive data from
[04:53] <xim_> if they crash
[04:53] <SodaPhish> hah
[04:53] <SodaPhish> no they won't
[04:54] <SodaPhish> glad to see that evolution in karmic doesn't suck total balls
[04:54] <SodaPhish> it was so ungodly slow
[04:54] <xim_> awsome im trying it
[04:54] <xim_> it says it runs on sqlite
[04:54] <xim_> which is probably why
[04:54] <SodaPhish> well, whatever they did to improve speed, I'm glad
[04:55] <SodaPhish> 'cause it was un-useable before
[04:55] <SodaPhish> now, its screaming right along
[04:55] <xim_> sqlite is awsome, i use it for applications
[04:55] <SodaPhish> 'course, this new laptop might help that too...
[04:55] <SodaPhish> ;-)
[04:55] <SodaPhish> (dual-core 3.0ghz, 4gb ram, etc.)
[04:55] <SodaPhish> this HP EliteBook 8530w worked right out of the box -- EVERYTHING, even the freakin' webcam worked!
[04:56]  * DanaG has one of the same laptop.
[04:56] <DanaG> Awesome piece of hardware.
[04:56] <xim_> on linux?
[04:56] <SodaPhish> its fairly stunning to me, 'cause I've had Linux on a number of laptops
[04:56] <SodaPhish> and they've all been a bugger
[04:56] <SodaPhish> yeah, running karmic on it right now
[04:56] <DanaG> Just wish HP had offered the webcam when I bought mine.
[04:56] <SodaPhish> DanaG: is it not the hotest little rig you've used?
[04:56] <DanaG> Oh, and I wish I'd gotten on-site service.  =þ
[04:57] <DanaG> But it's a badass piece of hardware.
[04:57] <SodaPhish> I don't know wth I'll do with the webcam, but I've got it.
[04:57] <SodaPhish> ;-)
[04:57] <DanaG> Best I've ever used.
[04:57] <SodaPhish> yeah, its pretty swank, love it.  only had it two days.
[04:57] <DanaG> Even has an accelerometer, though the axes are reversed.
[04:57] <SodaPhish> ?
[04:57] <SodaPhish> a whodawhat?
[04:57] <DanaG> A position sensor.
[04:57] <SodaPhish> its like my Caddy -- every time I use it, I find something new on it.
[04:57] <SodaPhish> ;-)
[04:58] <DanaG> install the 'joystick' package and stick this in /etc/rc.local:
[04:58] <DanaG> jscal -u 3,1,0,2,0 /dev/input/js0 2>/dev/null || true
[04:58] <DanaG> Then you can play neverball with it.
[04:58] <SodaPhish> ?
[04:58] <SodaPhish> neverball?
[04:58] <SodaPhish> wth is that?
[04:58] <DanaG> It's a ball-on-tilting-table sort of game.
[05:00] <SodaPhish> oh, sweet
[05:00] <SodaPhish> that'd be cool if the display would rotate and fold-down like a tablet
[05:01] <DanaG> Yeah, I wish I could combine this thing with the 2730p tablet.
[05:02] <SodaPhish> hah!
[05:08] <DanaG> What CPU and video card and LCD did you get?
[05:09] <DanaG> I got P8600, ATI, and 1920x1200 -- and I had to customize to order to get that.
[05:10] <SodaPhish> isn't 19x12 about the most glorious thing ever.
[05:10] <DanaG> Yup. 147 DPI is purely wonderful.
[05:10] <DanaG> Best fonts I've ever used anywhere -- gives a subjective feel sort of like paper.
[05:11] <DanaG> Now, if only Xorg would handle keycodes > 255, I could use the fancy hotkeys.
[05:12] <bjsnider> why did you buy a system with an Accelerated Graphical Interruptions card?
[05:17] <DanaG> I wanted open drivers AND lower power usage.  And I like the ATI windows drivers better than the NV ones.
[05:17] <DanaG> And fglrx works well enough for now.
[05:19] <bjsnider> unbelievable
[05:20] <bjsnider> do you expect a working radeon or radeonhd driver at some  point in the future?
[05:20] <DanaG> Actually, it's getting closer all the time.
[05:20] <DanaG> And fglrx is good enough for me for now.
[05:21] <bjsnider> is it really?
[05:21] <SeveredCross> Radeon works for me.
[05:21] <SeveredCross> I get 3D acceleration and compiz and everything.
[05:21] <DanaG> RV635 is my GPU.
[05:21] <DanaG> Not full 3D yet.
[05:21] <DanaG> But now at least, compiz can try to run on it -- it starts, but is dog-slow for now, but the weirder thing is that trying to rotate the cube crashes Xorg.
[05:21] <DanaG> But each step is just one bit further.
[05:22] <DanaG> http://arstechnica.com/hardware/guides/2009/08/super-speed-a-brief-history-of-usb-30.ars
[05:22] <DanaG> What color are the USB 3.0 ports shown in the bottom pic?  FOr me, they're a grungy orange.
[05:23] <bjsnider> blue
[05:23] <bjsnider> cyan
[05:27] <DanaG> Odd.
[05:27] <DanaG> What version of Firefox are you using?
[05:27] <bjsnider> 3.5
[05:29] <DanaG> Odd.  I'm also on 3.5.
[05:29] <SodaPhish> I wish I were on 3.5
[05:30] <bjsnider> DanaG, perhpas your graphics driver, which according to you is "good enough" is responsible
[05:30] <DanaG> I'll bet even VESA will do the same.
[05:31] <DanaG> Oh, and the Windows version was broken until 3.5.2.
[05:31] <DanaG> Yet, my 3.5.2 in Linux is still broken.
[05:31] <bjsnider> if my system is not showing me the correct colour, this will be the first i have heard of it
[05:31] <DanaG> Blue is the correct color, I believe.
[05:32] <DanaG> what does about:config show for gfx.color_management.mode?  Mine shows '2'.
[05:33] <bjsnider> 2
[05:35] <bjsnider> try it in another browser
[05:35] <bjsnider> try it in ff 3.0.xx
[05:35] <DanaG> https://developer.mozilla.org/En/ICC_color_correction_in_Firefox
[05:36] <DanaG> what the heck plant is that?  it's grungy pink on the inside and greenish-blue on the outside.
[05:37] <bjsnider> it's a purple flower with green leaves
[05:43] <DanaG> hmm, firefox 3.0.12 works just fine.
[05:43] <DanaG> But 3.5.2 is broken.
[05:43] <bjsnider> it's highly brokified?
[05:43] <bjsnider> it's in an unworking state?
[05:46] <DanaG> Yeah, and enabling color management in 3.0 breaks it just as badly.
[05:49] <DanaG> http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=75651
[05:49] <DanaG> ah, it is fglrx, after all.  So be it, I'll disable color-management for now.
[06:04] <bjsnider> DanaG, it's your Administrative Task Inhibitor driver?
[06:05] <DanaG> what's with you and the odd de-acronym-ing?
[06:05] <bjsnider> too much pain meds i guess
[06:05] <DanaG> It also doesn't explain where firefox claims to be getting its color info.
[06:06] <bjsnider> how you folks put up with this ati/intel garbage is beyond me
[06:06] <DanaG> Longer battery life is one thing I get.  4 hours.
[06:08] <DanaG> ooh, xcalib -i -alter
[06:08] <DanaG> sweet.  inverted.
[07:13] <diverse_izzue> hey everyone. i seriously messed up my system and need some help. it happened with ubuntu+1, but could as well have happened under jaunty. i deleted all config files from /etc (dont ask...). i managed to restore them from backup in a live session. the system boots but doesnt let me login, it doesn recognise my username somehow. any ideas?
[07:16] <MT-> hey guys - can you release a fairly stable beta tomorrow?
[07:17] <MT-> I'd kinda like this nagging bug to go away - kernel panic every shutdown if I forget to kill the wireless switch
[07:19] <MT-> diverse_izzue: probably permissions
[07:19] <diverse_izzue> MT-: what should /etc/passwd have as permissions?
[07:21] <MT-> diverse_izzue: http://pastie.org/575103
[07:23] <MT-> diverse_izzue: you're likely best reinstalling if you didn't retain permission correctly - it's touchy
[07:24] <diverse_izzue> MT-: my backups don't seem to have the shadow file... the backup was on an ext3 volume, so i'd hope permission are retained?
[07:25] <MT-> diverse_izzue: where you save them isn't the big factor - it's how you make the backup
[07:27] <diverse_izzue> MT-: rsync over rsnapshot
[07:27] <MT-> rsync -?
[07:27] <MT-> you need rsync -a at a minimun
[07:28] <diverse_izzue> i don't know what exactly rsnapshot does...
[07:30] <MT-> ya.. do a complete reinstall
[07:31] <MT-> next time use rsync to make the backups - or at least investigate you what you're using works
[07:32] <diverse_izzue> MT-: haven't entirely given up... i checked my backup disk, the permissions look good. it's upon copying the files over that stuff goes wrong. how do i retain the permissions in a cp command?
[07:32] <MT-> don't is cp
[07:32] <MT-> rsync -a
[07:35] <diverse_izzue> MT-: thanks, did that, looks promising. you're my hero of the day
[07:56] <xim_> i thought someone told me karmic came with the fish tank in compiz
[08:00] <MT-> xim_: did you install compizconfig-settings-manager?
[08:01] <xim_> yeah i got the cube and cylender and all that, but there's no atlantis plugin inlcuded
[08:04] <MT-> did you search for it?
[08:05] <MT-> I'm not using compiz in any way - so that's as far as I can help
[08:05] <MT-> not using karmic either actually
[08:06] <xim_> its not in synaptic, i previously had to manually install it on gutsy but thats what im saying, someone told me it was preincluded
[08:07] <MT-> oh
[08:07] <MT-> i hope not..
[08:07] <MT-> what was the package name?
[08:09] <xim_> atlantis and altantis 2 are the two fish tang plugins for compiz
[08:10] <MT-> !info atlantis
[08:10] <MT-> !info atlantis gutsy
[08:12] <richardcavell> Are you suggesting gutsy is the name of 10.04?
[08:12] <richardcavell> Gutsy Gibbon?
[08:14] <MT-> richardcavell: no, just searching for the package he mentioned - he said it existed in gutsy as that package name
[08:16] <richardcavell> so what is gutsy?
[08:17] <kklimonda> old ubuntu release
[08:17] <MT-> umm...
[08:17] <MT-> richardcavell: how long have you used ubuntu?
[08:18] <richardcavell> MT-: Only 8 months
[08:19] <MT-> richardcavell: ubuntu 7.10
[08:19] <MT-> !gutsy
[08:20] <MT-> !hoary | when I started using Ubuntu
[08:24] <richardcavell> Well I'm just battling with Karmic at the moment.  I have an Intel integrated chipset so I need the better driver
[08:24] <richardcavell> s
[08:24] <richardcavell> I hope that 10.04 is a good distro.  I'll probably upgrade to that and then leave my computer on 10.04 for the LTS support
[08:25] <oldude67> i thought the next lts was coming out on 9.10? is it 10.04?
[08:26] <richardcavell> oldude67: 10.04 is the next LTS
[08:26] <oldude67> ugh i should really right this crap down..lol
[08:28] <richardcavell> People who are still using 8.04 say that it has great stability
[08:28] <Grantbow> LTS are every two years, last was 8.04
[08:37] <MT-> !lts
[08:45] <Grantbow> MT-: ty
[08:46] <gaelfx> I'm using the Karmic Kubuntu version for netbooks and i can't get my wireless to connect ever, though it appears to be trying very hard to do so, would someone help me figure out what the problem is?
[08:48] <Grantbow> !wireless
[08:50] <gaelfx> well, the reason I'm asking here is that it worked without a problem on the regular Ubuntu version, and since my card is Atheros, the driver is built-in the kernel, so I can't understand why it won't work just as well on the Kubuntu version
[09:08] <creative1412> guys any one knows if they packged kde 4.3
[09:08] <kklimonda> creative1412: yes
[09:09] <creative1412> gr8 iam upgrading :D
[09:09] <kklimonda> creative1412: probably not everything but most of packages should be ready
[09:11] <oldude67> ok , has anyone gotten the network manager to work again or is it still unusable?
[09:12] <kklimonda> oldude67: works fine for me
[09:12] <oldude67> kklimonda, are you using gnome or kde? im on kde and its not working yet.
[09:13] <kklimonda> gnome
[09:13] <creative1412> iam using gnome too
[09:13] <oldude67> mine still keeps telling me that i need to keep using kde4 until it is fixed.
[09:14] <creative1412> but i had tried the new kde on opensuse in a frinds laptop it's smother and more stable
[09:15] <creative1412> but i didn't find any thing new expect the NEW translations
[09:15] <oldude67> i have kde,gnome and xfce loaded i just use kde the most.
[09:15] <oldude67> i wonder is there a kubunut+1?
[09:15] <oldude67> ill have to look..lol
[09:16] <oldude67> nope sent me right back here..lol
[09:16] <gaelfx> I'm finding it impossible to connect to my wireless in the Kubuntu netbook version
[09:17] <gaelfx> the weird thing is that there don't even seem to be any kind of messages in the log about it, it doesn't even seem to try to connect except graphically
[09:17] <oldude67> i dont know much about wireless mine is all hard wired.
[09:20] <genady12lap> hey
[09:20] <genady12lap> how do I return the default gdm.conf?
[09:20] <genady12lap> where should it be?
[09:21] <oldude67> gaelfx, what does iwconfig say?
[09:21] <oldude67> anything weird?
[09:22] <gaelfx> not that I've noticed, but maybe I missed something, hang on i'll pastebin
[09:22] <oldude67> maybe someone can look at it and tell you.
[09:22] <oldude67> and or dmesg
[09:23] <gaelfx> http://pastebin.com/d11f0dd03
[09:23] <oldude67> like i said im no help with wireless..but someone else might be able to see something.
[09:24] <genady12lap> can some one help me?
[09:24] <gaelfx> dmesg says: http://pastebin.com/d4901a740
[09:25] <oldude67> genady12lap, have you done locate gdm.conf?
[09:25] <genady12lap> yes
[09:25] <genady12lap> /etc/dbus-1/system.d/gdm.conf
[09:25] <genady12lap> /etc/gdm/gdm.conf.dpkg-bak
[09:25] <haanuj> can anyone me
[09:25] <gaelfx> well, maybe you can help me figure out how to get Grub to update so that I can get back into my Windows partition
[09:25] <haanuj> i have a problem
[09:25] <genady12lap> oldude67, I don't have default config faile
[09:26] <oldude67> sudo update-grub
[09:26] <genady12lap> s/faile/file
[09:27] <gaelfx> that was the most helpful thing anyone has done for me today, thanks you sir
[09:27] <gaelfx> (or madam)
[09:27] <oldude67> np
[09:28] <oldude67> and dude is ok..no sir
[09:28] <oldude67> and what was you doing to lose gdm?
[09:29] <oldude67> sorry genady12lap what was you doing to lose gdm?
[09:29] <haanuj> E: samba-common: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[09:29] <haanuj> E: samba-common-bin: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[09:29] <haanuj> E: nautilus-share: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[09:29] <haanuj> E: smbclient: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[09:29] <haanuj> E: ubuntu-desktop: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[09:29] <genady12lap> moving from xubuntu to ubuntu and then to 9.10
[09:29] <gaelfx> !paste | haanuj
[09:29] <kklimonda> haanuj: it should trigger apport
[09:30] <oldude67> genady12lap, have you tried to do dpkg-reconfigure gdm?
[09:30] <genady12lap> I see the gdm looks bad but I am not sure if it is because it's rewritten or because the conf file
[09:30] <genady12lap> yes
[09:30] <oldude67> i have switched to kdm cause of the look of gdm and not had time to mess with it.
[09:31] <oldude67> i know there was an issue about it for a while but dont know if it has been fixed or not.
[09:31] <genady12lap> oh
[09:31] <haanuj> can somebody help.. http://dpaste.de/BVSC/
[09:32] <genady12lap> ok
[09:33] <xim_> anyone been able to use netbeans in karmic?
[09:33] <haanuj> kklimond : http://dpaste.de/BVSC/
[09:34] <oldude67> haanuj, how did you try installing samba?
[09:35] <oldude67> haanuj, i installed using sudo apt-get install samba4 and had no issues
[09:35] <haanuj> oldude67 : whenever i install anything this error occurs
[09:37] <oldude67> probably cause there internet keeps kicking on and off.
[10:11] <diverse_izzue> hey everyone. i had a little accident and had to restore settings files in /etc/ from a backup. that worked fine, except now my software-properties-gtk thinks it's on jaunty instead of karmic, because the backup was from before the upgrade. which file do i need to change?
[10:13] <genady12lap> someone knows whats the status of gdm? it looks ugly
[10:16] <diverse_izzue> answer to self: it's /etc/lsb-release that needs to be adjusted
[10:44] <Laibsch> hggdh: pong
[10:44] <Laibsch> sorry for the delay
[11:41] <torkiano> hello all, With today karmic updates , nautilus get the 100% of the CPU,  anymore else?
[11:53] <genady12> hey
[11:53] <genady12> gdm not working good?
[12:01] <gnomefreak> genady12: not working good means nothing. can you please explain in a little bit more detail on what you mean?
[12:03] <genady12> looks ugly
[12:03] <genady12> no splash
[12:03] <genady12> I cant reboot from inside gnome, I need to logout and then reboot
[12:05] <gnomefreak> genady12: looks ugly?  splash: try setting one up.  cant reboot using system>shutdown?
[12:05] <genady12> how to set splash?
[12:07] <genady12> gnomefreak, in 9.04 I could click on my name in the right corner and click reboot
[12:08] <gnomefreak> genady12: can you reboot using system>reboot? it is known and atm expected for your name to not let you log out
[12:09] <gnomefreak> genady12: i dont recall on the splash but if you give me an hour or so til im done with meail i will look unless someone else can tell you first
[12:10] <genady12> I can reboot from system
[12:11] <genady12> ok if you say its known problem
[12:11] <genady12> I have problem to see tty console when booting with vga=791
[12:12] <gnomefreak> genady12: its not a problem its expected behavour
[12:12] <genady12> why?
[12:14] <slacker_nl> if you don't hear from me within 10 minutes my karmic upgrade went beserk (just upgraded jaunty to karmic)
[12:16] <genady12> gnomefreak,
[12:17] <gnomefreak> genady12: because FUSA was allowing you to shutdown/reboot from the (name) the name was FUSA it no longer is at this time
[12:17] <genady12> oh
[12:18] <genady12> gnomefreak, what about problem to see tty console when booting with vga=791
[12:18] <gnomefreak> genady12: not sure about that one
[12:19] <genady12> gnomefreak, ok thanks
[12:19] <gnomefreak> genady12: np
[12:24] <slacker_nl> k, had some errors when starting up kde, but all seems ok
[12:29] <genady12> gnomefreak, looks like it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/129910
[12:31] <genady12> or maybe not
[12:31] <gnomefreak> not sure
[13:29] <hggdh> Laibsch, have you tried running the shell script by hand (to see what happens)?
[13:38] <Laibsch> hggdh: I can later source ". ~/.bashrc" without problems once I'm inside X
[13:38] <Laibsch> I also don't have any problems with a fresh account
[13:38] <Laibsch> Must be something to do with the user config
[13:39] <Laibsch> Unfortunately, I don't really know what
[13:39] <Laibsch> I'm thinking there may be some unbalanced paranthesis somewhere
[13:39] <Laibsch> But the config files I looked at so far seem to be OK
[13:44] <hggdh> darn
[14:31] <kayess> Got an hp laserjet 1000 and I have managed to get it as far as where karmic sees it and prints, but all the pages come out blank
[14:31] <penguin42> that's a bit of a limitation
[14:31] <kayess> :)
[14:32] <penguin42> have you had it working on anything else or is this the first thing you set it up on?
[14:32] <kayess> I got it working on Jaunty by downloading hplip from the hplip site
[14:33] <kayess> I upgraded the jaunty machine to karmic, but now all hplip stuff is totally broken
[14:33] <penguin42> ok, so it's a known good
[14:33] <kayess> This is on another machine with a fresh install of karmic
[14:33] <kayess> Yeah
[14:33] <penguin42> have you done an update to day? There was an hplip update
[14:34] <penguin42> to 3.9.8-0ubuntu1
[14:34] <kayess> Yes, I saw that and yeah I did do the update
[14:39] <penguin42> why can printers never play nice?
[14:41] <kayess> Just looking at this page again: http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/laserjet/hp_laserjet_1000.html
[14:42] <kayess> I wonder if the "no" under installer means that the packaged version of hplip won't work
[14:42] <penguin42> oh that's odd - why did it go backwards?
[14:43] <kayess> The support was certainly broken under jaunty which is marked with yes
[14:43] <kayess> suse 11.2 has the same regression
[14:44] <drs305> I have the 1000 and in Karmic it's been a bit of an adventure.
[14:44] <kayess> Did you get it working?
[14:45] <drs305> I eventually got it to work with CUPS-HP and independently with foomatic, but in both it wasn't a smooth process.
[14:45] <drs305> Lots of 'printed' docs that never really printed.
[14:45] <kayess> I'm getting blank pages -- that one you saw?
[14:46] <drs305> Someone posted yesterday on the Ubuntu forums about it - was that you?
[14:46] <kayess> No
[14:46] <drs305> kayess: You are using the HP-1000 and karmic?
[14:46] <kayess> Yeah
[14:47] <drs305> Are you familiar with accessing CUPS through your internet  browser?
[14:47] <kayess> No, but I think I've seen the URLs a couple of times
[14:47] <drs305> Try typing this as an address and see if CUPS comes up:  http://localhost:631/
[14:48] <kayess> It does
[14:48] <drs305> Ok, let's continue off this channel. I've sent you a message.
[14:49] <mits> hi... does anyone know if fglrx works in karmic? ...or if there's a patch to make it work?
[14:55] <wiehan> Please Admins, or people in the loop, Please, tell me that in the 100 papercuts bug fixes - that the problem with loading STANDARD gnome icon sets from a website like gnomelook.org there will be no more the problem that the small resolution folder icon, especially the icons for the folders in panel --> places, will show the ugly standard gnome grey folder icon!?
[14:56] <danbhfive> wiehan: do you have the bug report number?
[14:56] <wiehan> No.
[14:57] <danbhfive> did you see it listed in the 100 paper cuts list?
[14:59] <wiehan> danbhfive: I am not a expert super bug-filing user - I am a normal linux user/fanboy and I cannot believe that in the last 4 releases that I have used ubuntu that it still hasn't been fixed - surely you guys have all come across it. It is a normal in-your-face-bug which hits every new user that wants to customize their ubuntu theme a little bit. It is aweful and surely what I would imagine to be a papercut. And I am sure for a developer that is a small l
[15:00] <wiehan> Test it yourself, download ANY theme from gnomelook.org and click on places in the panel.   Well, I'm no expert either, but it doesn't sound like a paper cut.  It sounds like a regular bug
[15:00] <wiehan> Well IT SHOULD BE FIXED
[15:01] <penguin42> wiehan: It sounds like it should - but there are zillions of bugs that should be fixed!
[15:01] <penguin42> (or 59921 according to launchpad)
[15:01] <wiehan> Make it 101 papercuts and fix this one. It is my biggest pet-peeve for ubuntu. I hate it.
[15:02] <penguin42> wiehan: So, file a bug!
[15:02] <wiehan> I don't know how.
[15:02] <penguin42> wiehan: OK, I'll happily talk you through it
[15:02] <hggdh> wiehan, did you at least opened a bug for that?
[15:03] <hggdh> oh. Just read the response...
[15:03] <wiehan> I really don't know how - and accoriding to penguin42 it is filed as bug 59921
[15:03] <hggdh> wiehan, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[15:03] <penguin42> woah, not me - I never said that....
[15:03] <wiehan> (16:01:45) penguin42: (or 59921 according to launchpad)
[15:04] <penguin42> wiehan: Sorry! That was the total number of bugs not the bug number!
[15:04] <danbhfive> penguin42: yeah, I was trying to figure out what you said too  :)
[15:04] <penguin42> wiehan: So, follow that ReportingBugs link that hggdh gave
[15:05] <Pici> bug 100000
[15:05] <Pici> <.<
[15:06] <penguin42> wiehan: If it asks for the package I think I'd choose gnome-control-centre that's the thing with 'Appearance Preferences' with the install button
[15:07] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[15:07] <hggdh> perhaps we should try to open bug 500000 stating that bug 100000 should not be set invalid
[15:07] <penguin42> hggdh: Now you're confusing the bot
[15:08] <hggdh> indeed. Begging pardon
[15:09] <danbhfive> wiehan: it might be that places doesn't use theme icons, but uses nautilus icons
[15:10] <wiehan> danbhfive: I don't know, but default ubuntu themes changes those icons, any other GNOME icon themes can't change ubuntu's places' folder icons (or any other small resolution folder icon). Actually less than 10% of icon themes that I have tried managed to change ubuntu's small folder icons
[15:11] <danbhfive> wiehan: is this a gtk2 theme?
[15:11] <wiehan> All themes, gtk2, metacity, anything
[15:11] <iddo> is there a simple way to install gnome3 ?
[15:12] <wiehan> danbhfive: just try it yourself, download a nice icon theme from gnomelook.org it will work and change 95% of your system's icons, but not the small folder icons - it really looks crappy!
[15:12] <penguin42> wiehan: Ah - is it just the small folder icons that are broken?
[15:12] <danbhfive> wiehan: yeah, Im working on it.  Ive never tried before
[15:13] <wiehan> penguin42: yes, it looks really bad.
[15:13] <penguin42> wiehan: Ah OK, that's a bit more specific than the whole theme thing loading not working - in that case it probably isn't the control-centre
[15:14] <danbhfive> wiehan: well, I tried one, and it seems to work.  Though, the theme Im trying is terrible.  Can you link me to a theme that doesn't work?
[15:15] <danbhfive> wiehan: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Wii-Black?content=45829
[15:15] <wiehan> danbhfive: then you are lucky. more than 90% of mine (since ubuntu 7.10) does this. I don't know if this might be resolution dependent, but I always run at 1280x1024
[15:16] <danbhfive> yes, but help me be unlucky
[15:17] <wiehan> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/black-white+2+Style?content=72619
[15:17] <wiehan> currently I am using the black-white 2 gloss
[15:21] <danbhfive> wiehan: well, Im only running jaunty, not karmic.  And its working for me
[15:21] <wiehan> How?
[15:22] <danbhfive> well, its turning all my icons to grey icons
[15:22] <wiehan> the ugly default gnome greyish folder icon colour?
[15:24] <danbhfive> wiehan: well, Its hard for me to answer your question.  Im not really a fan of the icon set, and its theme seems to be greyish
[15:24] <wiehan> I realize, I made a mistake when explaining - it isn't gtk2 or metacity related. It's only only for icon sets
[15:25] <danbhfive> but it seems to be applying the icon set, as far as I can tell
[15:26] <wiehan> ironically, the wii-black link you gave me - it must've happened to them as well, look at the left hand side of the screenshot, the small folder icons - that is the ugly default gnome icons. The link you gave me was anyways to a gtk2 theme, not an icon theme. At least you know how mine looks.
[15:27] <danbhfive> OOOHHH, I know what you are talking about
[15:27] <wiehan> well, it didn't happen to them - they are actually just using that ugly icon theme together with that nice gtk theme
[15:27] <danbhfive> I've been looking at the Places menu!
[15:28] <wiehan> My icons change to any theme I set it to, except those little bloody folders, it looks half-finished.
[15:28] <danbhfive> hmm, nope, its still working there for me
[15:28] <wiehan> well, this has been happening to me since 7.10??
[15:28] <wiehan> Different machines.
[15:28] <danbhfive> wiehan: maybe try creating a new user account, and see if it works there
[15:28] <penguin42> ah, different machines
[15:29] <wiehan> always 64 bit and always on high-ish resolutions
[15:29] <danbhfive> wiehan: ah, Im on 32bit
[15:30] <penguin42> wiehan: What apps can you trigger it on - can you trigger it on something simple - e.g. gnome-text-editor ?
[15:30] <wiehan> I wish I could send you a screenshot, but for some reason when I click on Places on the top panel and press PrtScrn, nothing happens
[15:31] <wiehan> For some reason, now it is showing mostly* everything correctly, except ON THE PANEL MENU FOR PLACES
[15:31] <penguin42> wacky
[15:32] <wiehan> indeed.
[15:32] <wiehan> Anyways, I really need to study now.
[15:32] <wiehan> Guess, I'm just wasting my breath since this seems isolated to me!?
[15:32] <penguin42> wiehan: I think the suggestion of trying a new user was worth a go
[15:33] <wiehan> maybe.
[15:33] <wiehan> anyways, thanks for listening. Will file a bug later. need to go
[15:33] <danbhfive> wiehan: well, you should check with a fresh user account.  If you have been upgrading for several releases, it could be an upgrade bug.  Those are best fixed with clean installs unfortunately.
[15:33] <danbhfive> wiehan: take care
[15:33] <wiehan> danbhfive: I always clean install
[15:33] <wiehan> danbhfive: thanks you too
[15:34] <penguin42> gnome looks in lots of places for icons and I was thinking maybe you have an old one stuck somehwhere - but if you always reinstall that's unlikely
[15:45] <slacker_nl> meh
[15:45] <slacker_nl> can't alt-tab anymore
[16:21] <billybigrigger> saweet
[16:22] <billybigrigger> :) new gdm update
[16:22] <billybigrigger>   * debian/patches/09_gdmsetup.patch:
[16:22] <billybigrigger>     - Provide a setup tool for basic configuration (LP: #395299)
[16:22] <billybigrigger> some peeps will be happy about that one
[16:22] <penguin42> ah that has been needed
[16:23] <loonyphoenix> my flash-plugin-installer has been stuck as half-installed, half-removed. can somebody help me get it fully into either of those states?
[16:30] <loonyphoenix> does nobody know how to purge a half-uninstalled flashplugin from my system?
[16:31] <penguin42> dpkg -r ?
[16:32] <loonyphoenix> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/249287/
[16:34] <penguin42> hmm I could swear I saw something like that other day
[16:34] <loonyphoenix> Is there a way to force dpkg to ignore warnings and reinstall the damn thing?
[16:35] <penguin42> loonyphoenix: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adobe-flashplugin/+bug/371890
[16:37] <loonyphoenix> thanks
[17:05] <natewiebe131> anyone have the new gdm (2.27.4-0ubuntu8) yet?
[17:06] <penguin42> no, mine is still ubuntu6
[17:07] <natewiebe131> same.. they released a new config tool..
[17:07] <natewiebe131> how long does it normally take to get in the repos?
[17:10] <natewiebe131> just got an email from ken vandine and it is supposed to be in the repos today
[17:14] <kklimonda> huh, NM was updated to 0.8 but nm-applet is still 0.7.1..
[17:28] <oldude67> can you edit grub to make the intel video work with the recovery kernel or is it like a no win suggestion?
[17:29] <penguin42> all the kernels in grub are normally just older versions of the same thing - what are you seeing?
[17:30] <JeremyBicha> oldude67: you could add xforcevesa to the end of the kernel line
[17:30] <oldude67> JeremyBicha, thanks im looking into it on google..
[17:32] <oldude67> ok next question which grub file should be the one that you edit i have been told 3 different things now on grub2.
[17:32] <oldude67> ?
[17:33] <bjsnider> isn't it /etc/grub.conf?
[17:35]  * penguin42 is going to have to try out Grub2
[17:36] <oldude67> bjsnider, isnt that one i dont even have anything in that dir.
[17:37] <bjsnider> you certainly do have an /etc
[17:37] <bjsnider> and it's full of good stuff
[17:37] <oldude67> well i do have a etc, just no /etc/grub.conf
[17:37] <bjsnider> grub2.conf?
[17:37] <oldude67> hmm maybe let me look
[17:38] <oldude67> nope nothing there either....have to google grub2 and find out.
[17:41] <bjsnider> /boot/grub/grub.cfg?
[17:42] <bjsnider> oh, it says do not edit this file
[17:43] <bjsnider> there's /etc/default/grub for some settings
[17:44] <bjsnider> /etc/grub.d
[17:44] <DanaG> grr, stupid gnome-power-manager.
[17:44] <DanaG> Seems to permanently think I'm idle.
[17:44] <DanaG> If I have "dim on idle" unset, it dims.  Then even if I brighten it.... it immediately dims again.
[17:54] <JeremyBicha> oldude67: what exactly is your problem though?
[17:54] <DanaG> ugh, touchpad has suddenly become all jumpy and stuttery.
[17:54] <DanaG> It's like it's disregarding my movements.
[17:54] <Pricey> wet fingers?
[17:54] <DanaG> Nope.
[17:55] <oldude67> video jumps in recovery mode use to do that in normal boot up till i edited the grub but i edited the /boot/default/grub and was told that was a nono.:(
[17:55] <DanaG> It's a new issue after a recent synaptics update, I think.
[17:55] <JeremyBicha> why are you using recovery mode?
[17:56] <oldude67> im not now, but cant even if i wanted to, cant read the screen.
[17:56] <oldude67> was going to be one of those just in case things.
[17:57] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/405943
[17:57] <oldude67> no big deal that is why i make back ups and have cd on desk..lol..worse comes to worse :D
[17:59] <maxb> Something in karmic has apparently reprogrammed my numeric keypad to act as a mouse. What might that be?
[18:00] <penguin42> maxb: The facility has always been there - normally off though
[18:01] <maxb> Ctrl+Shift+Numlock apparently
[18:01] <maxb> I find it hard to believe that I could have hit that combo by accident
[18:01] <penguin42> just shift+numlock here
[18:01] <maxb> ah, right
[18:01] <maxb> well, still quite a stretch to do accidentally. oh well
[18:03] <penguin42> maxb: Try going to system->preferences->Keyboard and go to mouse keys - there's a tick there for pointer can be controlled using the keypad
[18:04] <maxb> It's off now, though shift+numlock flips it. I'll have to see if it persists after a reboot
[18:06] <DanaG> Ugh, damn synaptics.
[18:06] <DanaG> "Ignore too-fast movements" -- nice feature there!
[18:40] <scunizi> Just a general question for those that like to play on the edge.. If I upgrade hplip by using an ubuntu .deb from the latest version on an earlier version will I also have to upgrade cups? and will just hplip cause any issues by itself?
[18:41] <TheInfinity> scizzo-: look at dependencies of hplib @ packages.ubuntu.com
[18:46] <scunizi> TheInfinity: Looks like python-support >=0.7.1 (Hardy has 7.5) and python (no mention of a version).. so looks like I'm good to go?
[18:49] <TheInfinity> scunizi: try it. but often such actions are a free ride into dependency hell
[18:50] <TheInfinity> scunizi: so on your own risk :)
[18:50] <scunizi> TheInfinity: should I uninstall the current version before installing the newer? or will it detect and just overwrite?
[18:50] <penguin42> just checking, what printer do you have?
[18:51] <scunizi> hp cp1518NI
[18:51] <penguin42> ok, just someone here with a different model having problems
[18:51] <scunizi> it's working.. sort of .. with another driver in the earlier hplip package
[18:51] <penguin42> scunizi: If you are just after the last hplip why don't you just get HPs latest drop off their site?
[18:52] <scunizi> penguin42: their site points to hplip's site for a direct download of the latest hplip.. there is no ppd for a direct download
[18:52] <DanaG> grr, damn gnome-power-manager.
[18:52] <DanaG> It dims my screen exactly 10 minutes after I log in, even while I'm active.
[18:53] <penguin42> DanaG: Interesting
[18:53] <DanaG> And if I have "dim on idle" checked, it dims... ALWAYS.
[18:53] <DanaG> Apparently it thinks I'm a slacker.
[18:53] <DanaG> =þ
[18:53] <penguin42> DanaG: Bug 4101441 possibly ?
[18:53] <DanaG> It seems to ignore my mouse and keyboard activity, entirely.
[18:54] <penguin42> sorry, bug 401441
[18:55] <DanaG> yeah, probably the same.
[18:55]  * penguin42 wishes someone would confirm it; it seems lots of people have it
[18:58] <hggdh> penguin42, you can confirm it yourself
[18:58] <penguin42> hggdh: It never seems quite right to do that
[18:59] <hggdh> it is correct: you yourself experienced it... just be sure to add a comment stating you are doing so (instead of blankly -- heh -- changing the status)
[18:59] <hggdh> no
[18:59] <hggdh> YOU opened it :-(
[18:59] <penguin42> exactly
[18:59] <hggdh> so, yes, it is not correct
[19:00] <hggdh> but I will do it. I also have it
[19:00] <penguin42> I find DanaG's observation that it happens exactly 10mins after login interesting
[19:01] <DanaG> I didn't specifically time it, however.
[19:01] <natewiebe13> has anyone else tried the new gdmsetup?
[19:01] <DanaG> Or maybe it was 5 minutes.
[19:01] <natewiebe13> from gdm 2.27.4-0ubuntu9
[19:01] <DanaG> bash: gdmsetup: command not found
[19:01] <DanaG> Version: 2.27.4-0ubuntu6
[19:01] <natewiebe13> DanaG: do you have gdm version 2.27.4-0ubuntu9?
[19:02] <natewiebe13> okay
[19:02] <DanaG> where's ubuntu9 coming from?
[19:02] <natewiebe13> they added it in 2.27.4-0ubuntu7
[19:02] <natewiebe13> from launchpad
[19:02] <natewiebe13> there is a build.. but gdmsetup is very disappointing for me
[19:03] <natewiebe13> the only option it gives you is the ability to do autologin or not to do it
[19:03]  * penguin42 isn't sure this thing about running it as it's own session has been fully thought through
[19:03] <billybigrigger> natewiebe13, yeah its a basic config
[19:04] <penguin42> it's probably the right thing though I guess, but I suspect some of the other config tools need tweaking for it
[19:04] <DanaG> It doesn't even let you do the wallpaper or theme stuff.
[19:04] <natewiebe13> billybigrigger: do you know if they are making a tool to edit the appearance? (colors, theme, background, etc.)
[19:05] <billybigrigger> i imagine they would be
[19:05] <natewiebe13> (icons)
[19:05] <natewiebe13> hope so
[19:05] <DanaG> All they really need to do is to fire up gconfd as gdm user, and then open the gnome-appearance-properties as the gdm user.
[19:06] <hggdh> penguin42, done
[19:06] <penguin42> hggdh: Thanks
[19:07] <natewiebe13> billybigrigger: do you know if you can edit the theme for gdm at all? (conf text file perhaps?)
[19:10] <DanaG> yeah, you can.  drop back to login screen, then switch to a tty and do this:
[19:10] <DanaG> DISPLAY=:0 sudo -u gdm xterm
[19:10] <DanaG> then you can run gnome-appearance-properties as the gdm user, from the xterm.
[19:13] <DanaG> oh yeah, and after you run the xterm, switch back to the login screen, of course.
[19:13] <natewiebe13> nice
[19:19] <billybigrigger> anyone getting really slow usb disk speeds?
[19:19] <billybigrigger> copying a 4.4GB .mkv to my usb stick at 600k/sec!??!!?!
[19:19] <billybigrigger> through nautilus
[19:21] <Eruaran> good grief
[19:21] <natewiebe13> DanaG: alright.. thanks. it worked great, now they just need to make a tool to edit those options inside of a gnome session
[19:21] <Eruaran> The morally bankrupt corruption and stupidity of the US patent system never ceases to boggle my mind
[19:22] <Eruaran> oh sorry
[19:22] <Eruaran> wrong channel
[19:22] <DanaG> really silly patent idea: patent the act of making a patent.
[19:22] <DanaG> =þ
[19:22] <Eruaran> was referring to this:
[19:22] <Eruaran> On Tuesday, Microsoft was granted US Patent No. 7,571,169 for its ‘invention’ of the Word-processing document stored in a single XML file that may be manipulated by applications that understand XML
[19:23] <natewiebe13> DanaG: also, inside of the gdm (ive had this problem for a long while now) when i login, i get black showing up behind the login window (know what i mean)?
[19:23] <DanaG> yeah, that's a different issue.
[19:23] <natewiebe13> do you know why?
[19:23] <mac_v> has anyone noticed that thunderbird freezes after the latest sound updates?
[19:24] <natewiebe13> DanaG: is it nvidia or the gdm? or something entirely different?
[19:24] <DanaG> Happens on ATI, too.
[19:25] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/405392
[19:25] <natewiebe13> thanks
[19:28] <DanaG> grr, stupid minicom.
[19:28] <DanaG> Lists files alternating with blank lines... and yet, lets you choose either a file or a blank line.
[19:28] <DanaG> So, you end up choosing the wrong file... because each filename actually has another file listed invisibly in the blank line.
[19:34] <natewiebe13> DanaG: as in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minicom
[19:34] <natewiebe13> ?
[19:34] <DanaG> Yeah.
[19:34] <natewiebe13> what are you using it for?
[19:35] <DanaG> An embedded device.
[19:35] <DanaG> Serial console.
[19:35] <DanaG> ctrl-a, S  gives the "send file" thingy, but the file-chooser is broken.
[19:35] <natewiebe13> that sucks
[19:37] <natewiebe13> DanaG: shouldnt gnome-settings-daemon always be running?
[19:37] <DanaG> huh?
[19:38] <DanaG> the gdm gconf server only runs while gdm user is active.
[19:38] <DanaG> a.k.a. it's on the login screen.
[19:38] <natewiebe13> is there a way to make the gdm gconf run while the gdm user is not active?
[19:39] <natewiebe13> if so, it would be easy to make a script to bring up gnome-appearance-properties for the gdm user
[19:39] <billybigrigger> anyone use rsync alot?
[19:39] <billybigrigger> is there anyway to see file copy progress while its copying?
[19:39] <penguin42> billybigrigger: I have in the past
[19:40] <penguin42> I thought -v shows it?
[19:40] <billybigrigger> nope
[19:40] <penguin42> billybigrigger: OK, I don't think there is one for individual files, but you might be able to tell on a recent kernel
[19:41] <penguin42> billybigrigger: do a ps and find your rsync process, then look in /proc/whateverpid/fd with ls -l  and find the fd with the file, then cat /proc/whateverpid/fdinfo/number where number is the fd of the file - if you are lucky pos will be the offset with in the file
[19:41] <billybigrigger> -h --progress
[19:41] <billybigrigger> :)
[19:41] <penguin42> bah
[19:41] <natewiebe13> is there a way to make the gdm gconf run while the gdm user is not active? anyone?
[19:41] <penguin42> that's not as much fun is it?
[19:41] <hggdh> natewiebe13, no
[19:41] <hggdh> well
[19:41] <hggdh> hold on
[19:42] <billybigrigger> bah something isn't right with usb disks
[19:42] <billybigrigger> im getting 500k/sec
[19:42] <billybigrigger> 36.24M   0%  456.88kB/s    2:50:00
[19:43] <penguin42> is that read or write?
[19:43] <billybigrigger> it has never taken me 2hours and 50mins to copy 4gig to this usb stick
[19:43] <penguin42> billybigrigger: A lot of usb sticks really suck at writing, I've not figured out whether it's the stick or the way the filesystems are created
[19:43] <billybigrigger> no this stick is fine
[19:43] <billybigrigger> i can get 50Mb/sec on it
[19:43] <penguin42> billybigrigger: What's the model?
[19:44] <natewiebe13> 50Mb/sec write?
[19:44] <billybigrigger> Bus 002 Device 002: ID 058f:6387 Alcor Micro Corp. Transcend JetFlash Flash Drive
[19:44] <billybigrigger> yeah
[19:44] <penguin42> That's suspiciously high for a flash disc
[19:44] <natewiebe13> i get 25 write
[19:44] <natewiebe13> same
[19:44] <billybigrigger> 71.37M   1%  207.11kB/s    6:12:12
[19:44] <hggdh> natewiebe13, yes: (1) click on your userId on the top right, select "switch user". This will open a new GDM login screen (probably on TTY8);
[19:44] <billybigrigger> :(
[19:45] <billybigrigger> it's not the drive
[19:45] <penguin42> billybigrigger: It would be interesting to know what you get off a raw dd to the disc
[19:46] <natewiebe13> hggdh: thanks, im trying to see if its possible to make a temporary workaround where you could open up the appearance properties from an active user
[19:46] <hggdh> natewiebe13, (2) go back to the primary X session (probably on TTY7), and type in, in a terminal: 'DISPLAY=:1 sudo -u gdm xterm;
[19:46] <natewiebe13> ive already configured mine
[19:46] <hggdh> (3) go back to TTY8, and you will have a xterm opened there. Go from there.
[19:47] <hggdh> natewiebe13, this is done from a logged in user
[19:47] <natewiebe13> it'd be nice to make a script though
[19:47] <hggdh> difficult
[19:48] <slacker_nl> anyone here running kde?
[19:49] <oldude67> slacker_nl, yeah.
[19:49] <slacker_nl> oldude67: can you logout/reboot/shutdown from within KDE?
[19:50] <oldude67> slacker_nl, if i use kdm, not gdm, it only gives me logout.
[19:50] <slacker_nl> i somehow cannot, when i start reboot/shutdown commands from terminal my laptop does it, and at next kde sessions i get some ksudo error..
[19:50] <slacker_nl> k
[19:50] <slacker_nl> i use kdm
[19:51] <slacker_nl> k, will create a bug report then for kubuntu-desktop package, not sure if it is kdm or kde itself
[19:51] <natewiebe13> anyone have a creative xfi soundcard?
[19:53] <natewiebe13> nobody has creative xfi sound?
[19:53] <slacker_nl> not me
[19:54] <oldude67> slacker_nl, oh from terminal i have no problems with restart or shutdown .
[19:54] <natewiebe13> no wonder creative is slow with putting out linux drivers
[19:54]  * penguin42 has intel sound
[19:54] <slacker_nl> oldude67: no, from terminal is does work
[19:54] <slacker_nl> s/is/it/
[19:54] <oldude67> oh ok.
[19:54] <slacker_nl> natewiebe13: but maybe you'll get more response in #ubuntu
[19:55] <natewiebe13> its to do with karmic and the new pulseaudio
[19:55] <oldude67> actually i dont have problems with it as long as i run kdm like i said..its only when running gdm.
[19:55] <natewiebe13> i have xfi on my jaunty box, and im wondering how the surround option works with it if i upgrade that one to karmic
[19:55] <oldude67> natewiebe13, i fixed that problem as i have uninstalled pulse.
[19:55] <slacker_nl> natewiebe13: k
[19:55] <natewiebe13> there was an update for it today
[19:56] <oldude67> ya and it put a bunch of static into my surround sound.
[19:56] <natewiebe13> oldude67: it allows you to control your surround
[19:56] <natewiebe13> turn down pcm
[19:56] <oldude67> i did
[19:56] <natewiebe13> still?
[19:56] <natewiebe13> wow
[19:56] <oldude67> also turned the surround down on system itself.
[19:56] <natewiebe13> mine is working perfectly
[19:56]  * penguin42 finally nailed pulse into being OK by noticing during an upgrade it hadn't added my user to the realtime group for itself
[19:57] <slacker_nl> oldude67: i just see i have a kdm update, see if that helps
[19:57] <natewiebe13> im running cmi 8738 in karmic and its working great
[19:59] <natewiebe13> oldude67: pulse was messed last week because my keyboard was conrolling master volume, and the mixer applet was controlling pcm
[19:59] <natewiebe13> try the new update and see if that helps
[20:01] <loonyphoenix> can't find my login screen properties. how's the thing called? I think it's missing for some reason...
[20:03] <loonyphoenix> Also, my terminal starts in a different directory than home. How do I rectify that?
[20:05] <billybigrigger> loonyphoenix, im pretty sure that's a known bug
[20:06] <billybigrigger> loonyphoenix, the terminal starting in a non-home directory
[20:06] <loonyphoenix> no, I think I did something:)
[20:06] <loonyphoenix> not sure what...
[20:06] <loonyphoenix> also, what about the login screen? how's the program called?
[20:07] <penguin42> loonyphoenix: The login screen prefs is just in the middle of being changed
[20:07] <loonyphoenix> oh, right.
[20:07] <loonyphoenix> okay then.
[20:07] <loonyphoenix> as long as it's not just me
[20:07] <penguin42> now your terminal; it normally starts in the directory which you started X I think; or failing that if you open another tab it uses the same dir as the other tab
[20:08] <natewiebe13> i have gdmsetup for karmic already
[20:08] <natewiebe13> loonyphoenix: what are you trying to change with the gdm?
[20:08] <billybigrigger> bug 362880
[20:08] <loonyphoenix> I want to turn off autologin, but that can wait)
[20:09] <loonyphoenix> Oh! Thanks. It really wasn't me.
[20:10] <penguin42> ouch; I'm not sure how they can make a generic fix for that
[20:12] <loonyphoenix> Oh, but that's not exactly my bug. That thing talks about opening a new tab, whereas I simply start gnome-terminal, e.g. from alt-f2, and it opens in ~/gnome-shell/source/gnome-shell/src
[20:12] <penguin42> hmm for me that just worked
[20:13] <loonyphoenix> So i think it really was something I did)
[20:13] <penguin42> but I don't have gnome-shell
[20:13]  * penguin42 polishes his crystal ball
[20:14] <penguin42> loonyphoenix: I reckon you are running some part of gnome-shell from that directory and it's actually done some of whatever happens when you do alt-f2 ?
[20:14] <loonyphoenix> no, I think i turned it off... but maybe. I guess I'll restart the machine, some update's asking for it anyway, and see if everything's not back to normal
[20:16] <DanaG> handy thing: rtkit
[20:16] <DanaG> !info rtkit
[20:19] <natewiebe13> loonyphoenix: are you running i386?
[20:19] <natewiebe13> or amd64?
[20:19] <loonyphoenix> i386
[20:19] <loonyphoenix> or rather it's i686 now isn't it?
[20:20] <mac_v> crap sound updates! now simultaneous sounds are not able to play!
[20:20] <mac_v> thunderbird freezes!
[20:20] <penguin42> mac_v: That sounds like something isn't using pulse
[20:20] <natewiebe13> loonyphoenix: still looking to disable autologin?
[20:20] <loonyphoenix> yeah, I think)
[20:20] <natewiebe13> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/i386/gdm/2.27.4-0ubuntu9
[20:21] <natewiebe13> that may help
[20:21] <natewiebe13> should be in the repos tonight or tomorrow
[20:21] <loonyphoenix> thanks, I'll look into it
[20:21] <natewiebe13> it includes gdmsetup
[20:21] <natewiebe13> which isnt working properly, you have to put sudo at the beginning, but it still isnt working right
[20:21] <mac_v> penguin42: Bug #410418
[20:22] <mac_v> penguin42: any ideas how to solve it?
[20:22] <natewiebe13> did anyone help with the new gdm package?
[20:22] <penguin42> mac_v: Afraid not
[20:22] <hggdh> natewiebe13, what do you mean?
[20:23] <natewiebe13> well, gdmsetup has a segmentation fault
[20:23] <mac_v> penguin42: :(
[20:23] <hggdh> k. Is there a bug on it?
[20:23] <natewiebe13> it isnt official yet, so i cant put up a bug
[20:23] <penguin42> mac_v: In principal if it were all happily going through pulse it should deal with all that
[20:24] <mac_v> penguin42: i thought that pulse doesnt play sounds simultaneously Bug #220073
[20:24] <penguin42> mac_v: I was pretty sure the whole point of it was supposed to deal with that all and mix it
[20:25] <mac_v> what ever ,they did , regressed! this didnt happen before the audio updates yesterday!
[20:25] <natewiebe13> sorry for all that
[20:26] <natewiebe13> hggdh: any ideas?
[20:29] <loonyphoenix> !dontzap
[20:30] <loonyphoenix> E: Package dontzap has no installation candidate :(
[20:30] <penguin42> I love the concept of having to install a package called dontzap to let you zap something
[20:30] <hggdh> natewiebe13, I understand you were using a PPA for 0ubuntu9, correct?
[20:31] <natewiebe13> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/i386/gdm/2.27.4-0ubuntu9
[20:31] <natewiebe13> looks to be the official package
[20:32] <hggdh> yes it is. Only i386 seems to have been built so far
[20:32] <hggdh> and this is the one you were using?
[20:32] <natewiebe13> yes
[20:32] <loonyphoenix> ha, that's the new login manager?
[20:32] <hggdh> so you really should open a bug on it
[20:32] <loonyphoenix> Two little options?
[20:32] <natewiebe13> yeah
[20:32] <natewiebe13> i know
[20:32] <natewiebe13> i was disappointed
[20:33] <natewiebe13> i'll get it open then
[20:33] <JeremyBicha> maybe in 2 more months, we'll get 2 more options :-)
[20:33] <hggdh> natewiebe13, why disappointed?
[20:33] <natewiebe13> i was hoping for theme config
[20:33] <natewiebe13> which i have done already
[20:33] <oldude67> be back in a minute have contractor here to look at house
[20:33] <hggdh> ah. Brand new gdm code, rewritten. So brand new problems, I think
[20:34] <DanaG> No wonder I still have old gdm.
[20:34] <loonyphoenix> gdm is rewritten?
[20:34] <DanaG> I'm on 64-bit.
[20:34] <loonyphoenix> that's a major thing, isn't it?
[20:34] <hggdh> to my understanding, yes
[20:34] <JeremyBicha> except it's supposedly old, that's why they don't want to put it off until next release
[20:35] <hggdh> easy to check: get the 2.22 I think this was it) and compare with current 2.27
[20:35] <DanaG> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/amd64/gdm
[20:35]  * loonyphoenix is going to look at the new login screen
[20:35] <penguin42> my understanding is in terms of the way stuff gets run; in the old world stuff was 'special' but now it's more like gdm is run in it's own normal user session and a lot of things like changing wallpapers and appearance now moves to how to do the normal changes you would do for a user session - but now doing it for that
[20:36] <billybigrigger> rsync: write failed on "/media/16GB/bttf123.mkv": File too large (27)
[20:36] <billybigrigger> i got this in a nautilus error aswell
[20:36] <billybigrigger> file too large
[20:36] <penguin42> billybigrigger: How big was the file?
[20:36] <billybigrigger> devicekit-disks perhaps? updated today
[20:36] <billybigrigger> 4.4GB
[20:36] <billybigrigger> never been a problem before
[20:36] <bjsnider> fat32 can't handle files >4gb
[20:36] <penguin42> billybigrigger: Lots of things still can't cope with files larger than 2 or 4 GB
[20:36]  * loonyphoenix liked the new login screen
[20:37] <billybigrigger> hmm
[20:37] <loonyphoenix> I think it's going to be very cool when it's ready
[20:37] <billybigrigger> anyone know of a good media splitter?
[20:37] <penguin42> dd :-)
[20:37] <loonyphoenix> what are you splitting?
[20:37] <bjsnider> mkvmerge
[20:37] <billybigrigger> h264/mkv
[20:37] <loonyphoenix> 'cause for mkv mkvmerge's bestt
[20:38] <loonyphoenix> yeah, go for mkvmerge
[20:38] <billybigrigger> cli or gui?
[20:38] <loonyphoenix> gui
[20:38] <loonyphoenix> AND cli
[20:38] <penguin42> will split do?
[20:38] <billybigrigger> mkvtoolnix
[20:38] <bjsnider> just change the file system to ext3 or 4 and you'll be able to copy the mkv onto the usb driver
[20:38] <billybigrigger> bjsnider, yeah i need it to be fat32 for xbox460 to read
[20:39] <billybigrigger> if i didn't have an xbox360 that flash drive would be ext4 :P
[20:39] <bjsnider> what about ntfs?
[20:39] <natewiebe13> just for the record, here is the bug for gdmsetup: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/410434
[20:39]  * loonyphoenix thinks ntfs loads cpu too much
[20:39] <DanaG> And it's dog-slow.
[20:40] <loonyphoenix> if you've got a good cpu, it's decent
[20:40] <DanaG> When I'm going from SATA to SATA, and geting only 9 megabytes per second... that sucks.
[20:40] <bjsnider> because ntfs-fuse runs in userspace
[20:40] <slacker_nl> does networkmanager start before networking started?
[20:40] <loonyphoenix> I don't think so
[20:40] <billybigrigger> where is the option to split in mkvmerge gui?
[20:40] <loonyphoenix> network manager starts, I think, with gnome
[20:41] <penguin42> I think network manager starts at system boot and is controlled by the applet in gnome
[20:41] <loonyphoenix> probably
[20:41] <slacker_nl> weird
[20:41] <loonyphoenix> billybigrigger: I'll install it now, wait a sec)
[20:41] <slacker_nl> i think network manager is breaking my current setup
[20:41] <billybigrigger> loonyphoenix, don't bother
[20:41] <billybigrigger> i found it
[20:42] <loonyphoenix> I might need it myself anyway
[20:42] <slacker_nl> somehow eth0 is doing dhcp requests, while i have a static one defined in /etc/network/interfaces
[20:43] <penguin42> slacker_nl: Yeh NM doesn't play well with /e/n/interfaces
[20:43] <natewiebe13> there was an update 30 min ago for network manager
[20:43] <bjsnider> network-manager is listed in the session startup list. it is nm-applet
[20:43]  * loonyphoenix is using wicd...
[20:43] <slacker_nl> I need to ifdown/ifup it before it takes the static ip
[20:43] <penguin42> slacker_nl: I think you can remove NetworkManager completely or at least disable it
[20:43] <slacker_nl> i use guessnet/ifplugd/wpa
[20:43] <penguin42> slacker_nl: There is an /etc/init.d/NetworkManager
[20:44] <bjsnider> that's a daemon but not the applet
[20:44] <DanaG> You can set NM to use static IP, actually.
[20:44] <JeremyBicha> I had to start using wicd because the Kubuntu implementation wouldn't let me connect to wireless networks (though I could see them)
[20:44] <penguin42> bjsnider: Correct, the daemon does the real work as far as I'm aware
[20:44] <bjsnider> the applet merely configures the daemon
[20:44] <penguin42> DanaG: Except it doesn't come up until you log in - unless you know how to change that
[20:44] <loonyphoenix> I started using wicd because I didn't want to type an extra password at startup...
[20:44] <slacker_nl> penguin42: i know, and i can't see anything in rc[23].d of /etc/init.d/networking
[20:44] <DanaG> You can set "available to all users".
[20:45] <DanaG> That'll make the nm-system-settings thingy activate it at boot.
[20:45] <bjsnider> what extra password?
[20:45] <penguin42> DanaG: How?
[20:45] <loonyphoenix> The keyring password for wireless
[20:45] <DanaG> right-click nm-applet and go to profile editor.
[20:45] <bjsnider> just click cancel and it won't ask again
[20:45] <loonyphoenix> bjsnider: and will it log in?
[20:46] <bjsnider> yes
[20:46] <loonyphoenix> hmm.
[20:46] <loonyphoenix> that's a weird kind of logic
[20:46] <penguin42> DanaG: Ah I see the 'available to all users' - I hadn't seen that before
[20:46] <penguin42> DanaG: Has it gone in the last few releases?
[20:47] <penguin42> ^in in
[20:47] <loonyphoenix> if it doesn't need the password, why does it ask for it?
[20:49] <bjsnider> it's asking if yu want to save the password in the gnome-keyring
[20:49] <bjsnider> you say no, and hten it saves it in a text file somewhere in your home directory
[20:51] <penguin42> DanaG: That's reduced my vehement hatred for NM a bit - and it's put the config in /etc/NetworkManager
[20:53] <loonyphoenix> network manager refused to connect to any networks for me
[20:53] <loonyphoenix> said "device is not managed"
[20:53] <loonyphoenix> wtf?
[20:53] <natewiebe13> no connection at all?
[20:53] <loonyphoenix> no, none
[20:53] <natewiebe13> mines 100%
[20:54] <natewiebe13> are you running wired or wireless?
[20:54] <loonyphoenix> no, it just refused to acess the devices
[20:54] <natewiebe13> okay
[20:54] <loonyphoenix> I'm on wireless, but I got the feeling it wouldn't work even on wired...
[20:54] <loonyphoenix> Lucky I had wicd in apt's cache
[20:54] <billybigrigger> 247.01M  10%   45.51MB/s    0:00:44
[20:54] <natewiebe13> im running fine
[20:54] <billybigrigger> who didn't believe me i could get 50mb/s on my flash disk?
[20:55] <natewiebe13> me
[20:55] <natewiebe13> haha
[20:55] <billybigrigger> :P
[20:55] <natewiebe13> and you are writing?
[20:55] <loonyphoenix> are you using btrfs with compression and writing zeroes?
[20:55] <billybigrigger> only for a few secs, then it floods the pipe and slows to 10mb
[20:55] <billybigrigger> no
[20:55] <natewiebe13> read?
[20:55] <billybigrigger> ext4 writing to fat32
[20:56] <natewiebe13> yeah.. but is it 50mbps  writing to the drive, or reading from it?
[20:56] <billybigrigger> writing
[20:56] <natewiebe13> i only get 25-35 mbps.. what brand/model/size is it?
[20:56] <billybigrigger> 16gb
[20:56] <natewiebe13> brand?
[20:56] <loonyphoenix> I think USB's rate is around 26 MiB/s
[20:56] <billybigrigger> Bus 002 Device 002: ID 058f:6387 Alcor Micro Corp. Transcend JetFlash Flash Drive
[20:56] <billybigrigger> its only a burst of 50mb
[20:57] <billybigrigger> usually it stays ~10-15mb
[20:57] <loonyphoenix> It must be writing to cache
[20:57] <DanaG> 'b' is case sensitive.
[20:57] <DanaG> b is bit, B is byte.
[20:57] <billybigrigger> now im getting 700k/sec
[20:57] <billybigrigger> MB
[20:57] <loonyphoenix> I used to have dial-up and it would say the first few seconds it's downloading at 2000kB/s... Yeah right
[20:57] <billybigrigger> usb storage sucks in karmic i must say
[20:58] <natewiebe13> okay.. mine settles at 25-35 mbps and starts off at 80mbps.. haha its an ocz rally2 (dual channel) and mine works fine in karmic (ext4, fat32)
[20:58] <penguin42> 700k/sec is very sucky - ad I've seen some really grim usb write behaviour but I have no way of knowing if it's the USB drive or not
[20:58] <loonyphoenix> haha, I got ocz rally2 too
[20:58] <natewiebe13> nice
[20:58] <loonyphoenix> the best usb thumb ever
[20:58]  * penguin42 has a couple of kingston data travellers (16GB) they're OK but SLOW on write
[20:58] <natewiebe13> it is... tiger direct for $25 CAD
[20:59] <loonyphoenix> btw, gnome shell rules
[21:00] <loonyphoenix> I'm thinking about running mutter at least constantly
[21:00] <loonyphoenix> even though it's still buggy
[21:00] <DanaG> gnome-shell sucks for me.
[21:01] <DanaG> I can click the applications menu about 10 times before it finishes opening.
[21:01] <loonyphoenix> poor drivers, I guess
[21:01] <DanaG> Compiz works fine, though.
[21:01] <DanaG> And I won't give up compiz.
[21:01] <loonyphoenix> Oh, you meen the one AFTER you click Actions?
[21:01] <loonyphoenix> Yeah, that's slow
[21:01] <loonyphoenix> I'm hoping they'll fix that
[21:02] <DanaG> No, I mean just clicking the applications menu in the top left.
[21:02] <DanaG> whatever it is.
[21:02] <DanaG> The animations in mutter are ugly... since when is minimizing the same thing as closing?
[21:02] <DanaG> They use the very same animation!
[21:02] <DanaG> Minimize should move towards the taskbar, not "close" in-place!
[21:02] <loonyphoenix> It's not, minimizing is like three-dimensional and closing is like folding
[21:03] <loonyphoenix> Well, there's no taskbar to move to, is there?
[21:03] <bjsnider> loonyphoenix, what does /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf say about your wireless card? managed or not?
[21:03] <DanaG> grr, stupid networkmanager... I can't set it to "automatically connect" a shared-out network.
[21:03] <loonyphoenix> bjsnider: managed=false
[21:04] <bjsnider> change it to true and it will work
[21:04] <bjsnider> restart the daemon afterwards
[21:04] <bjsnider> get rid of wicd
[21:04] <loonyphoenix> okay, I'll try it
[21:06] <DanaG> argh, as I'm sitting here watching, this FPGA board is bringing the ethernet link up...down...up...down...up...down...up...down...up...down...up...down...
[21:06] <penguin42> which FPGA?
[21:06] <DanaG> Virtex5.
[21:06] <DanaG> Board is XUPV5.
[21:07] <penguin42> nice
[21:07] <DanaG> Trying to get Linux running on the thing has been a pain... both the upstream stuff and Petalinux are broken, to various degrees.
[21:07] <penguin42> oh pci-e card?
[21:07] <penguin42> v.nice
[21:07] <DanaG> Grr, it's like a kid with a light-switch.
[21:07] <DanaG> on.  off.  on.  off.  on.  off.  on.  off.  on.  off.  on.  off.
[21:08] <loonyphoenix> here I am connected through network manager again)
[21:08] <loonyphoenix> (is that about me?)
[21:09] <natewiebe13> his fpga board
[21:09] <natewiebe13> haha
[21:10] <loonyphoenix> so I just press "deny" when network manager asks to access the keyring, and then it saves the password somewhere else?
[21:10] <bjsnider> yeah
[21:10] <loonyphoenix> Nice. Didn't know that
[21:10] <loonyphoenix> Could've been made more obvious, though
[21:10] <bjsnider> it should be a paper cut
[21:11] <bjsnider> maybe it is
[21:12] <loonyphoenix> a package suggested to be installed with linux-pptp is kernel-patch-mppe
[21:12] <loonyphoenix> does it actually patch the kernel???
[21:15] <DanaG> Oh, I see... it's probably that "timing closure failure"
[21:17] <loonyphoenix> pidgin will no longer use notify-osd for me
[21:17] <natewiebe13> anyone know why the hardware support is garbage compared to jaunty?
[21:17] <natewiebe13> notify-osd works for me
[21:18] <loonyphoenix> natewiebe13: maybe they're moving from HAL to DeviceKit
[21:18] <natewiebe13> true
[21:18] <loonyphoenix> somebody please say my nick i want to test
[21:18] <bjsnider> should be better. newer kernel
[21:18] <loonyphoenix> hello, please say my nick back to me
[21:19] <penguin42> loonyphoenix: You say what?
[21:19] <natewiebe13> would that be why one of my printers just resets, and the other spits out blank pages, also one of my mp3 players keeps connecting and disconnecting continually
[21:19] <loonyphoenix> nope, notify-osd didn't pop up
[21:19] <natewiebe13> ??
[21:19] <natewiebe13> did the irc window have focus?
[21:20] <loonyphoenix> no, a there had to be a popup in the right up corner
[21:20] <natewiebe13> why would one of my printers keep resetting, and the other spits out blank pages, or one of my mp3 players keeps connecting and disconnecting continuously
[21:21] <natewiebe13> is it because hal/devicekit?
[21:21]  * loonyphoenix has no idea
[21:21] <natewiebe13> and btw.. everything works 100% in jaunty
[21:21] <penguin42> natewiebe13: Sounds like you have a USB issue
[21:21] <natewiebe13> it works in jaunty
[21:21] <natewiebe13> im dualbooting both
[21:22] <bjsnider> well, they didn't rip out all ofthe drivers
[21:22] <natewiebe13> penguin42: so its definately only related to karmic
[21:22] <natewiebe13> everything is installed in terms of drivers
[21:22] <penguin42> natewiebe13: I don't know, but if I had to guess it would be something to do with the amount of power through an unpowered USB hub - but that's just a guess
[21:23] <natewiebe13> there is no usb hub
[21:23] <penguin42> oh
[21:23] <natewiebe13> whats bothering me is why its only happening in karmic
[21:23] <penguin42> it'll be a bug then
[21:23] <loonyphoenix> 'cause it's a development distribution?
[21:24] <oldude67> natewiebe13, is lsusb seeing them correctly?
[21:24] <natewiebe13> but its almost all of my hardware that is plugged in with usb (minus the mouse)
[21:24] <natewiebe13> yes
[21:24] <oldude67> that is odd.:(
[21:24] <penguin42> is there a load of errors in dmesg about them?
[21:24] <natewiebe13> im not going to file a bug report until final release which i hope its fixed by then
[21:24] <natewiebe13> no errors
[21:24] <drs305> natewiebe13: You aren't alone with the blank printer page problem. At least two bug reports have been filed about it. Something happened in the past couple of days. My printer worked fine until today.
[21:24] <penguin42> natewiebe13: If there's a bug how is it going to get fixed before final release if no one files it?
[21:25] <oldude67> ya i dont think they even have really started freezing things yet.
[21:25] <natewiebe13> i brought a new printer back from new york.. and it didnt work
[21:25] <hggdh> natewiebe13, OK, I got the sigsegv on gdmsetup
[21:25] <natewiebe13> hggdh: same error?
[21:26] <natewiebe13> hggdh: sigsegv?
[21:26] <loonyphoenix> gdmsetup works for me...
[21:26] <SodaPhish> heya folks!
[21:26] <SodaPhish> anyone else having really slow DNS resolution?
[21:27] <SodaPhish> I'm using OpenDNS for my upstream and its just CRAWLING
[21:27] <natewiebe13> loonyphoenix: you are running amd64 architecture, right?
[21:27] <loonyphoenix> i386
[21:27] <loonyphoenix> can't do amd64 on this machine)
[21:27] <hggdh> natewiebe13, yes. Already 3 bugs reported, will mark 2 as duplicates
[21:28] <natewiebe13> okay
[21:28] <natewiebe13> hggdh: has 0ubuntu9 hit repos yet?
[21:28] <fynn> Yo.
[21:28] <fynn> So Karmic is going to have ext4 by default?
[21:28] <natewiebe13> yes
[21:29] <loonyphoenix> The next big thing will be when btrfs becomes stable
[21:29] <SodaPhish> from the CLI, I can use nslookup or host and responses are very quick, but from firefox its SLOWWW
[21:29] <hggdh> natewiebe13, yes, at least for me (AMD64)
[21:29] <SodaPhish> anyone got any thoughts?
[21:29] <natewiebe13> hggdh: im running i386
[21:30] <oldude67> SodaPhish, is it a flash thing in firefox?
[21:30] <hggdh> chances it is the same thing
[21:30] <SodaPhish> no, its any page.
[21:30] <SodaPhish> facebook, google, cnn, anything
[21:30] <oldude67> mine is running fine..
[21:30] <loonyphoenix> what about other browsers?
[21:30] <SodaPhish> like I said, from the CLI its blazing fast
[21:30] <SodaPhish> I haven't tried any other browsers, I'll try chrome now
[21:31] <fynn> is there sufficient confidence about ext4 being stable enough?
[21:31] <natewiebe13> fynn: ive been using ext4 since jaunty and its just fine for me
[21:31]  * loonyphoenix hasn't had any problem with ext4
[21:31] <natewiebe13> jaunty boots in 14 seconds
[21:31]  * SodaPhish installs chromium
[21:31]  * loonyphoenix hasn't measured, but karmic boots really fast
[21:31] <bjsnider> much better than xp
[21:31] <loonyphoenix> Don't remind me
[21:32] <loonyphoenix> Every time I have to login to XP it takes up to three minutes to get a responsive desktop
[21:32] <bjsnider> not as good as OSX though
[21:32] <oldude67> thats cause windblows is such a memory hog.
[21:33]  * loonyphoenix has never had a Mac
[21:33] <natewiebe13> vista (N)
[21:33] <natewiebe13> crap
[21:33]  * loonyphoenix hasn't ever even seen one boot
[21:33] <natewiebe13> vista, try 5 minutes minimum
[21:33] <natewiebe13> on a q6700 with ddr3
[21:33] <bjsnider> OSX boots almost immediately
[21:33] <fynn> natewiebe13, loonyphoenix: dunno, I periodically hear about terrible I-lost-all-mah-files! issues on ##linux
[21:34] <bjsnider> 5 seconds or whatever
[21:34] <fynn> guess it might just be ##linux :)
[21:34] <fynn> too bad OS X is shite
[21:34] <loonyphoenix> fynn: it's been fixed even in jaunty
[21:34] <loonyphoenix> fynn: not all shite, but 30% at least
[21:34] <natewiebe13> fynn: most likely just bad distros and i dont like osx either
[21:34] <oldude67> fynn, even in windows they say to always backup what you cant lose.
[21:34] <loonyphoenix> and 30% shite and 70% honey still tastes like shite
[21:35] <natewiebe13> yup
[21:36] <fynn> the only non-shite part of OS X is FreeBSD :)
[21:36] <natewiebe13> thats why i dont even understand why people spend time making hackintoshes
[21:36] <loonyphoenix> btw, do all macs really have only one mouse button?
[21:36] <natewiebe13> no
[21:36] <natewiebe13> well
[21:36] <fynn> yeah... waste hours installing the most crippled, closed source unix ever
[21:36] <natewiebe13> depends
[21:36] <loonyphoenix> I guess I was lucky not to encounter any normal-moused macs
[21:37] <natewiebe13> the mouse is one piece on the top and you angle it to where the mouse button would be, so you could say it was one button
[21:37] <fynn> Macs are pretty much overpriced PCs now...
[21:37] <BUGabundo> hey everyone
[21:37] <oldude67> hey BUGabundo
[21:37] <fynn> most companies just use them with run of the mill USB mice.
[21:37] <natewiebe13> with mac, you prutty much go broke
[21:37] <bjsnider> greetings and salutations BUGabundo
[21:38] <natewiebe13> $3000 for a standard mac
[21:38] <natewiebe13> honestly
[21:38] <natewiebe13> (power pc btw)
[21:38] <BUGabundo> hey oldude67 bjsnider
[21:38] <natewiebe13> anyways.. im gone
[21:39] <oldude67> hows it going today BUGabundo ?
[21:39] <BUGabundo> nice nice
[21:39] <BUGabundo> found lots of new stuff about my android
[21:39] <BUGabundo> and got a new server at work
[21:39] <fynn> OK, so basically, one shouldn't fear installing Jaunty with ext4?
[21:40] <loonyphoenix> does anyone else have the problem of always opening new terminal windows despite having half a dozen open already?
[21:40] <fynn> (so as to be ready for Karmic?
[21:40] <loonyphoenix> fynn: I guess not
[21:40] <oldude67> fynn, dont see why you would as karmic is suppose to run ext4
[21:40] <loonyphoenix> I wouldn't)
[21:41]  * BUGabundo goes check for updates
[21:41] <oldude67> theres quite a few
[21:41] <fynn> oldude67: yeah, the reason I asked is that people are still reporting issues with ext4, while it's being slated for default for Karmic
[21:41] <oldude67> or atleast i had several
[21:41] <oldude67> fynn, what type of issues?
[21:41] <diverse_izzue> Hey everyone. Does ekiga work for you on a current karmic? For me, it cannot open recording audio devices, and it's very prone to hanging. PulseAudio problems?
[21:42] <fynn> oldude67: this dude on ##linux just now claims a power outage caused his entire ext4 FS to trash
[21:42] <BUGabundo> fynn: with what kernel??
[21:42] <BUGabundo> -31 should prevent that
[21:42] <BUGabundo> as long as you run FSCK after the boot
[21:42] <bjsnider> what about fsck?
[21:42] <loonyphoenix> fynn: they fixed it in -30 and backported fixes to -29 in Jaunty
[21:42] <BUGabundo> instead of trying to use a bad state FS
[21:42] <BUGabundo> loonyphoenix: they did not
[21:42] <oldude67> not to mention was it a ext4 problem or a electical problem with no surge protection?
[21:42] <BUGabundo> most stuff was not backported
[21:43] <fynn> what does -XX mean?
[21:43] <BUGabundo> fynn: kernel version
[21:43] <BUGabundo> see $ uname -a
[21:43] <BUGabundo> I have $ uname -a
[21:43] <BUGabundo> Linux BluBUG 2.6.31-5-generic #24-Ubuntu SMP Sat Aug 1 12:47:58 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[21:43] <loonyphoenix> BUGabundo: really? so I spent 3 months on a potentially dangerous filesystem?
[21:43] <loonyphoenix> And never knew it:)
[21:44] <oldude67> loonyphoenix, did it hurt you? lol...:D
[21:44] <loonyphoenix> Not at all)
[21:44] <BUGabundo> loonyphoenix: you may very well have
[21:44] <loonyphoenix> Jaunty was very stable for me
[21:45] <loonyphoenix> but a bit slow on the video driver side
[21:45] <oldude67> Linux ugh 2.6.31-5-generic #24-Ubuntu SMP Sat Aug 1 12:48:18 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[21:45] <fynn> BUGabundo: I see, so -XX is -5 in your case, and higher is better.
[21:45] <loonyphoenix> cool username, ugh)
[21:45] <loonyphoenix> No, xx is .31
[21:45] <oldude67> short and sweet.lol
[21:46] <loonyphoenix> the one we were speaking about anyway
[21:46] <fynn> heh, so why did you put the dash there? :)
[21:46] <loonyphoenix> no idea
[21:46] <loonyphoenix> .31 is hidden)
[21:46] <BUGabundo> fynn: what loonyphoenix said
[21:47] <loonyphoenix> does anyone know how to turn off antialiassing for a specific font?
[21:47] <JeremyBicha> the 2.6.31 is the upstream version number & the -5 is the Ubuntu version of it (& #24 is the Ubuntu sub-version)
[21:48] <fynn> k, so if I install Jaunty on a fresh machine, which I plan to upgrade to Karmic asap, then I should probably use ext4 as the filesystem...
[21:48] <fynn> because it will have the fix BUGabundo mentioned.
[21:49] <BUGabundo> I didn't mention any fix :)
 fynn: they fixed it in -30 and backported fixes to -29 in Jaunty
[22:02] <loonyphoenix> is there a way to change system theme and wallpaper via script?
[22:03]  * loonyphoenix wants to create a script which would set a randomly colored shiki-theme and wallpaper at startup
[22:03] <loonyphoenix> would be cool, no?
[22:07] <dupondje> damn
[22:08] <loonyphoenix> ?
[22:08] <dupondje> is there a way to get skype working on karmic ?
[22:08] <dupondje> [46436.840873] process `skype.real' is using obsolete setsockopt SO_BSDCOMPAT
[22:09] <SodaPhish> so, I've tested DNS from both Chrome and Firefox, and they're both slow as hell, but when I resolve DNS from command-line (via host or nslookup), its really quick.
[22:09] <SodaPhish> any thoughts?
[22:10] <loonyphoenix> what about ping?
[22:10] <bjsnider> bad isp dns servers?
[22:10] <SodaPhish> loonyphoenix, lemme try
[22:10] <SodaPhish> I'm using opendns
[22:10] <SodaPhish> <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:10] <SodaPhish> ping is instantaneous, just like host and nslookup
[22:11] <loonyphoenix> this is weird
[22:11] <SodaPhish> that's what I thought!
[22:11] <penguin42> SodaPhish: I wonder if chrome/firefox are also doing v6 lookups?
[22:11] <SodaPhish> penguin42, I wouldn't expect them too...
[22:12] <SodaPhish> so, in firefox... isn't there a way to disable ipv6?
[22:13] <SodaPhish> network.dns.disableIPv6
[22:13] <SodaPhish> that's the option in Firefox
[22:13] <SodaPhish> mine is set to true.
[22:13] <SodaPhish> so, it shouldn't be doing ipv6 queries
[22:15] <SodaPhish> I think that switch in firefox was the key
[22:15] <SodaPhish> on closer look, it was set to false
[22:16] <SodaPhish> and when switched to true it was mucho rapido
[22:16] <penguin42> I think there may be a global way of stopping IPv6 lookups but I can't remember how
[22:16] <SodaPhish> penguin42, no matter, its improved MASSIVELY with that setting switched
[22:17] <bjsnider> what about another browser?
[22:17] <bjsnider> is it slow in epiphany?
[22:17] <SodaPhish> haven't used epiphany, but chrome took more time to load a page than the jews have spent looking for the Arch of the Covenant
[22:18] <bjsnider> well then i doubt it's specific to firefox
[22:18] <bjsnider> is the ipv6 module loaded?
[22:18] <SodaPhish> bjsnider: obviously, but the crux of it is that dns is blazing fast from cli and now from firefox too, so I don't give two shakes.  ;-)
[22:18] <penguin42> SodaPhish: I believe that's the 'ark'
[22:18] <SodaPhish> I haven't checked on the ipv6
[22:18] <penguin42> less round than the arch
[22:18] <SodaPhish> penguin42: rofl, well met
[22:19] <penguin42> SodaPhish: I bet the cli tools you are using are IPv4 only
[22:19] <penguin42> (It's possible the v6ism is a red herring though)
[22:19] <SodaPhish> I know they are... 'cause there are separate ipv6 bits
[22:19] <SodaPhish> I dunno dude, seems like you were on to something there
[22:19] <bjsnider> i found the ark of the covenant. it was full of old newspapers
[22:20] <SodaPhish> when I flipped that switch, everything took off.
[22:20] <SodaPhish> what were the stories about?
[22:20] <bjsnider> you know. the usual bric-a-brac
[22:20] <SodaPhish> hah
[22:20] <SodaPhish> that's what I love about linux afficianados: their wit.
[22:21] <SodaPhish> so, lets talk about that global ipv6 module...
[22:21] <SodaPhish> is that a lkm?
[22:22]  * SodaPhish knows jack squat about ipv6
[22:24] <bjsnider> yes
[22:24] <bjsnider> lsmod|grep ipv6
[22:24] <SodaPhish> bjsnider, done and done, I got no output
[22:25] <SodaPhish> cjs@sxf-cjsteele:~$ lsmod | grep -i v6
[22:25] <SodaPhish> cjs@sxf-cjsteele:~$
[22:25] <penguin42> I don't know much about v6, but I've heard stories like half setup IPv6 systems where they try and do things using IPv6 addresses and when that doesn't go anywhere give up and use ipv4
[22:26] <SodaPhish> penguin42, but this was a fresh install as of two days ago and I never installed any v6 stuff.
[22:26] <penguin42> SodaPhish: I bet Ubuntu enables it by default where it can
[22:26] <SodaPhish> ah hell, I gotta go play the wii with the kids... this is why I hate working from home.
[22:27] <SodaPhish> penguin42, I'm betting yuou're right
[22:33] <Zorael> What can I do if aptitude suddenly takes several seconds for each 5% when "Reading database"? Could the database be corrupt/bloated?
[22:34] <penguin42> sounds odd; is everything else running at sane speeds?
[22:35] <Zorael> More or less
[22:35] <itswhatev> much less
[23:48] <fynn> Hey.
[23:48] <fynn> So about this Ubuntu One thing: does it mean one can mount it as a remote filesystem?
[23:49] <BUGabundo> stupid bluetooth
[23:49] <BUGabundo> brb
[23:49] <BUGabundo> rebooting
[23:56] <BUGabundo> so
[23:56] <BUGabundo> if blueman is dead
[23:56] <BUGabundo> what can I use?
[23:57] <bjsnider> bluetooth is one of those failed sony efforts
[23:57] <bjsnider> never really panned out
[23:57] <BUGabundo> but I need to transfer my contacts from my old phone
[23:57] <penguin42> bjsnider: Made it for phone headsets etc
[23:58] <BUGabundo> to upload to google