[00:00] <B|ack0p> https://i.postimg.cc/htYRjYzt/Screenshot-from-2019-09-04-02-59-27.png
[00:13] <JonelethIrenicus> sarnold: not findign iproute2
[00:13] <JonelethIrenicus> sarnold: is it called another way from the terminal?
[00:13] <sarnold> JonelethIrenicus: it should be installed by default everywhere; check dpkg -l iproute2
[00:14] <JonelethIrenicus> sarnold: oh it is just "ip"
[00:14] <sarnold> JonelethIrenicus: there's a handful of different tools in the iproute2 package; ip and ss are the 'main' ones, but there's a handful of other commands
[00:14] <JonelethIrenicus> ahh ok
[01:25] <paddy> hello, with ufw i would like to set a rule that allows ssh traffic only from a certain ip range. but i cant get the syntax right. instead of "ufw allow ssh" i tried variations of "allow ssh from". how can i do that, please?
[01:25] <cluelessperson> what does ubuntu use for dns?
[01:25] <cluelessperson> I don't see a running process, but it says <IP_ADDRESS>:53
[01:30] <sarnold> cluelessperson: that'll be systemd-resolved
[01:31] <cluelessperson> sarnold   I don't think this is systemd
[01:31] <cluelessperson> uh
[01:31]  * cluelessperson looks
[01:33] <sarnold> cluelessperson: oh. uh. you might be right. sigh. I read too quickly. I think something running on <IP_ADDRESS>:53 is likely to be a local tool
[01:36] <ChiLLabiS> paddy have you looked in /etc/ssh/sshd_config? Try ListenAdress in there
[01:36] <sarnold> ChiLLabiS: paddy left a few minutes after asking
[01:36] <ChiLLabiS> Ah
[01:36] <ChiLLabiS> missed it
[01:36] <ChiLLabiS> Thanks for the notice :)
[01:37] <sarnold> heh yeah it's too easy to have a conversation with someone who's gone missing
[01:37] <sarnold> ChiLLabiS: btw do you know you can use tab to complete nicknames? pad<tab> would have completed to 'paddy' when the client was still connected, but doesn't do anything once the client is gone
[01:38] <sarnold> it's an easy and cheap way to either notice that someone's gon emissing, or, more often, accidentally tell someone else something :)
[01:38] <ChiLLabiS> True, i usually do that writing to people.. Dunno why i didn't now
[01:39] <sarnold> cool cool
[01:41] <lincoln16> Can anyone help me set my static IP on 18.04? Netplan and straight ifconfig aren't working properly and I've read so many guides and SO answers that aren't working for me
[01:41] <lotuspsychje> !netplan | lincoln16 start here
[01:41] <sarnold> lincoln16: if you pastebin your netplan config someone'll probably be able to give it a look
[01:44] <lincoln16> Pastebin sarnold https://pastebin.com/kyAXYGV2
[01:45] <lincoln16> !netplan
[01:48] <sarnold> lincoln16: alright, I can't spot anything that looks funny there.. does the IP get assigned? does the default route get assigned? DNS servers?
[01:50] <lincoln16> The ip gets picked up in ifconfig
[01:50] <lincoln16> when I do ip route, there are two default lines so is that the problem?
[01:51] <sarnold> oh weird. I've only ever seen a single 'default' line..
[01:51] <sarnold> can you pastebin the ip route output?
[01:51] <lincoln16> shows `default via <IP_ADDRESS> dev em1 onlink` and `default <IP_ADDRESS> dev em1 proto static`
[01:52] <lincoln16> I can pastbin the rest
[01:53] <lincoln16> the rest has to do with docker and bridges and stuff that aren't related
[01:54] <sarnold> of the three machines I've got easy access to, I don't have a line like your default <IP_ADDRESS> dev em1 proto static ..
[01:54] <sarnold> but there's every chance that those three machines are funny because they've all got loing historical baggage before netplan
[01:55] <lincoln16> I dropped them with `ip route del ...` but still no connection after `netplan apply`
[01:56] <sarnold> did they come back after netplan apply?
[01:57] <lincoln16> `default <IP_ADDRESS> dev em1 proto static` came back
[02:00] <sarnold> lincoln16: hmm.. this section of the faq suggests that with multiple interfaces that a 'routes' key should be used instead: https://netplan.io/examples#using-multiple-addresses-with-multiple-gateways
[02:00] <sarnold> .. instead of 'gateway4'
[02:05] <lincoln16> sarnold I changed around my yaml and no dice 🥺
[02:06] <sarnold> lincoln16 :(
[02:07] <lincoln16> I've been messing around with this for hours
[02:07] <sarnold> lincoln16: can you file a bug against the netplan.io source package? ubuntu-bug netplan.io  ought to do the trick
[02:08] <lincoln16> I can. Is there a workaround without netplan to get this thing working?
[02:09] <lotuspsychje> lincoln16: we have users that purge netplan, and go oldskool but..
[02:09] <ryuo> lincoln16: i've left netplan unconfigured and just configured networkd directly. i gave up trying to get it to work for some of the more unusual network setups.
[02:09] <lotuspsychje> since its evolution, think netplan will stick a while with ubuntu
[02:10] <ryuo> i intend to try netplan again in 20.04, but for 18.04 i shelved it.
[02:10] <sarnold> lincoln16: I think lotuspsychje's suggestion is the easy way to get you working again; something like apt install ifupdown netplan.io-
[02:10] <lincoln16> I had some concoction working last night. Reboot messed that all up and now I have a networking headache
[02:11] <sarnold> lincoln16: then you can go back to /etc/network/interfaces as usual
[02:11] <lincoln16> even trying to use Networkd didn't work when I tried it earlier
[02:12] <lotuspsychje> lincoln16: there are also tons of netplan examples out there, maybe you should dig a bit deeper before you throw it out? https://vitux.com/how-to-configure-networking-with-netplan-on-ubuntu/
[02:12] <ryuo> lincoln16: what's your network configuration? maybe i can help.
[02:12] <lincoln16> @ryuo
[02:13] <ryuo> i had to use an esoteric configuration because of how my server host does IP assignment... the gateway wasn't on the same network as my allocation so i had to defined the routes in an unusual way.
[02:13] <ryuo> otherwise the kernel would reject the default gateway as unreachable.
[02:13] <sarnold> heh at least in this case the gateway *is* within the cidr block
[02:14] <lincoln16> I've registered for a static ip from my univ that's all they gave me. its possible my gateways or something are messed up that's beyond my CS background
[02:14] <ryuo> yea, because my host gives /32 and /128 addresses.
[02:14] <sarnold> I had to doublecheck with wa since /20 is a funny one that I can't do in my head :) https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=<IP_ADDRESS>%2F20
[02:15] <ryuo> lincoln16: and you've gotten it to work before?
[02:15] <lincoln16> it was working last night
[02:15] <ryuo> what happens if you leave it unconfigured? are you able to set it up manually?
[02:15] <lincoln16> although with all the spaghetti I threw at the wall with netplan and ifconfig and Networkd it's impossible to recall what worked
[02:16] <sarnold> been there done that :(
[02:16] <ryuo> i've moved on to using 'ip', but w/e works for you.
[02:16] <sarnold> (not with netplan, but the general problem :)
[02:18] <lincoln16> I can try using `ip`. sucks because most resources online just use netplan
[02:18] <ryuo> lincoln16: well, can you undo your configurations and we can try starting from scratch?
[02:19] <ryuo> first need to figure out how to even get it working before thinking of configuring it permanently...
[02:19] <lincoln16> like delete my netplan yaml and remove ifconfig entries?
[02:19] <ryuo> uh... if you're using ifconfig from something that runs during boot
[02:20] <ryuo> i wanted to try starting from a fresh state. sometimes stale settings can confound this process.
[02:20] <lincoln16> ~shrug no clue what's happening
[02:20] <ryuo> me either, but i'm not there so what else can you do?
[02:20] <lincoln16> I can undo configs and try to see what else we can do
[02:21] <ryuo> sure.
[02:22] <lotuspsychje> lincoln16: it might help leaving a: journalctl -f running while your playing, maybe the logs will help you understand better whats happening
[02:24] <lincoln16> alright configs are gone (I hope) and journalctl is running
[02:24] <ryuo> did you reboot?
[02:24] <lincoln16> yep
[02:24] <ryuo> ok... what were you told to do to configure it?
[02:24] <ryuo> or what were you given
[02:26] <lincoln16> I got an IP and that was basically it
[02:26] <ryuo> didn't they at least give you a default gateway?
[02:26] <lincoln16> Switching to DHCP has let me ping google, but will that keep my static IP
[02:26] <lincoln16> nope :))
[02:27] <ryuo> ...
[02:27] <ryuo> uh... hm.
[02:27] <ryuo> are the static IP and DHCP one in the same network?
[02:27] <ryuo> i'm wondering if you could reuse the default gateway from DHCP.
[02:28] <ryuo> i could determine it if you gave me the CIDR of both.
[02:28] <lincoln16> DHCP is currently giving me the same IP as I was trying to set for static
[02:28] <ryuo> ... interesting.
[02:29] <lincoln16> Maybe I just have to set it to DHCP and since they have my MAC address they'll just route that?
[02:29] <lincoln16> `curl ipecho.net/plain` gave me back the static IP I'm wanting
[02:29] <ryuo> well, it's possible they could be just giving you the same allocation each time.
[02:30] <ryuo> so it's kinda static.
[02:30] <ryuo> if so, just set DHCP and forget it.
[02:30] <lincoln16> Weird. I'll reboot to see if it sticks
[02:30] <ryuo> otherwise, you could grab the network settings DHCP is using and set it manually.
[02:30] <lincoln16> I can SSH in so that's working
[02:30] <lincoln16> yeah that at least gives me some settings to copy from
[02:31] <ryuo> it's not unusual at all. dnsmasq does the same. it tries to assign the same IP address to each client with their unique settings.
[02:31] <ryuo> it uses their supplied hostname, mac address, and other identifying information to calculate an assignment.
[02:33] <lincoln16> I guess that's maybe what my univ is doing. I'll check after reboot
[02:34] <lincoln16> getting a nice IP storm after posting here :)  thanks <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:34] <ryuo> sounds like they chose to give you just an IP address so you'd know how to reach it and were using DHCP to give it an allocation from a range of addresses reserved for static allocations.
[02:35] <ryuo> lincoln16: did the address change before you requested this?
[02:36] <lincoln16> That makes sense
[02:36] <ryuo> if so, you could just leave it as DHCP and not mess with this.
[02:37] <lincoln16> It's been the same, so I'll just let it be and see if any spiders fall out in a bit
[02:39] <lincoln16> reboot is holding IP so DHCP is the way to go!
[03:12] <flog>
[03:27] <philwong> Hey guys
[03:27] <philwong> Would Ubuntu work well on Intel Integrated Graphics 4000 or should I use something lighter?
[03:39] <ayew> Why do you lead with the iGPU and not the CPU/Ram, in asking if you need a light weight distro?
[03:39] <ayew> That's one of the low end celerons from around 2015 isn't it?
[03:40] <philwong> Not sure although mine is on an i5 3230M
[03:40] <philwong> 16gb Ram
[03:40] <philwong> Its from 2013
[03:41] <sarnold> my intel hd graphics 4000 is in what was a high end mobile i7 back in 2012
[03:41] <philwong> I am wondering is my specs would work on Ubuntu optimally or should I get a new laptop
[03:41] <philwong> haha
[03:41] <sarnold> it ran unity alright; when ubuntu moved to gnome I moved to i3
[03:41] <sarnold> seems fine for me, but I don't do much beyond urxvt and firefox
[03:42] <philwong> I see
[03:42] <philwong> So I get the feeling my hardware might be a little old for Ubuntu
[03:42] <sarnold> depends what you want to do with it I think
[03:42] <sarnold> no idea about gnome, but i3 works great
[03:42] <philwong> Not game
[03:42] <sarnold> but I'm under no illusions that this thing would play games well :)
[03:42] <philwong> but multi taskl
[03:43] <sarnold> I tried alacritty and it was slower than urxvt :)
[03:43] <philwong> I keep a lot of tabs open and do multiple things at the same time
[03:43] <philwong> None are graphic intensive though
[03:43] <sarnold> oh yeah I used to have a few hundred tabs open
[03:43] <sarnold> now I'm down to 92 tabs
[03:43] <philwong> few hundred??
[03:43] <philwong> my gosh
[03:43] <philwong> Does it keep up ok?
[03:43] <philwong> or does it slow down like windows?
[03:44] <sarnold> firefox only loads the ones that I actually focus, so it's probably only like twenty loaded into memory after a few months
[03:44] <sarnold> I don't get around to the 'middle' tabs all that often; just the top ten or twenty, and the bottom ten ..
[03:45] <philwong> wow, if I had few hundred tabs open on my Windows 7 here it would probably crash
[03:45] <sarnold> it's just driving a single 1920x1200 monitor
[03:46] <sarnold> it can do 1920x1200 and 1920x1080 at once but I find the laptop monitor too different from the external monitor to use them both at once, so I turn off the internal
[04:09] <chieta> why there is job like this on CRON[772]: (root) CMD (  [ -x /usr/lib/php/sessionclean ] && if [ ! -d /run/systemd/system ]; then /usr/lib/php/sessionclean; fi) ?
[04:11] <OerHeks> "What is the purpose of touching all opened session files before cleaning up?" https://serverfault.com/questions/954650/why-does-debians-php-sessionclean-script-touch-all-open-files-first
[04:12] <OerHeks> best answer i could find
[04:34] <chieta> sorry for my silly question, OerHeks
[04:35] <OerHeks> no, it is correct, it is a 2 stage cleanup
[04:37] <chieta> php way or is it ubuntu way?
[04:37] <chieta> noted, that's php way
[05:28] <SignalsOut> 100
[05:53] <toffe> Hi guys
[05:53] <SpiritHorse> hi
[05:53] <toffe> Any tip for me, I'd like to have multiple IP's and MAC addresses on the same network on one pc
[05:54] <toffe> like spoofing around 1500 devices on a network
[05:54] <toffe> Instead of actually connecting up 1500 devices it would be easier for us to use one device to pretend to be 1500
[05:54] <SpiritHorse> ok
[05:54] <SpiritHorse> interfce alias
[05:55] <toffe> SpiritHorse: will that allow me to have different mac's aswell?
[05:59] <toffe> also it needs to be dhcp
[06:32] <guiverc2> toffe, the kernel allows virtual network interfaces; and yes mac address can be spoofed, but it sounds more like you want to hack something, rather than a legimate use case
[06:51] <zzarr> hello!
[06:52] <zzarr> I would need a gdb for armhf (trying to debug remote on armhf) but I can't find a package for it
[06:53] <toffe> guiverc2: nah, its for production testing of our software.
[06:53] <toffe> instead of having 1500 servers we just want to spoof the functiions that our status software uses
[06:53] <toffe> guiverc2: kinda wierd why would a "hacker" want 1500 network interfaces? :P
[07:00] <guiverc2> toffe, i assumed 1500 was a made-up number to indicate lots; trying to overload a cheap-router's ....   I can't really advise except i've done it (3 interfaces only on a port) back in kernel 2.6 days & it required me to recompile kernel to enable the feature as it was disabled as I recall
[07:29] <doug16k> anyone running both amd and nvidia gpus in the same machine? any chance of that working?
[07:30] <doug16k> many years ago when I was still using windows 7, it just worked perfectly
[07:30] <toffe> guiverc2: ah, nah we need to test our software for 1500 - 2000 - 3000 or sometimes 200 installations to see if it can handle it.. So kinda hard to do with out small office installing ofr 1500 raspberry pi's .. so hoped I could run one on 1 instead
[07:34] <Ben64> doug16k: i have both, one is used for passthrough though
[07:39] <doug16k> Ben64, which way around? amd on linux, nvidia on pass thru?
[07:48] <Ben64> doug16k: other way
[07:48] <Ben64> nvidia doesn't like to passthrough
[07:49] <OerHeks> amd and nvidia passthroug? lolz
[07:50] <OerHeks> sli ?
[07:50] <Ben64> nvidia is for linux, amd is for passthrough
[07:50] <doug16k> Ben64, thanks
[07:58] <g0tcha> hey guys, how can i give myself user writes to /var/www/html directory so i do not have to sudo every time i want to edit or make changing to the apache server?
[08:05] <OerHeks> g0tcha, tons of guides show you how to be member of www-data
[08:06] <g0tcha> OerHeks, i added myself to the www-data group but the directories are owned by the root user
[08:30] <escanor> Guys i am using ubuntu 18.04 LTS
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> yes?
[08:31] <escanor> Recently my ubutntu starts with pink color screen
[08:31] <escanor> I don't  see any other option
[08:32] <escanor> What is the issue and how canweresolve?
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> escanor: do you mean grub screen adter you power ON? and you dualboot or so?
[08:32] <escanor> I have only ubuntu installed
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> escanor: whats your problem exactly?
[08:33] <escanor> OS is not booting
[08:33] <escanor> I just get a pink screen when i turn on my system
[08:33] <lotuspsychje> escanor: try to press F1 and see if you can textboot
[08:33] <escanor> Nope i tried
[08:34] <lotuspsychje> escanor: what kind of graphics card do you have?
[08:34] <escanor> SOrry i tried F1 but it generates bunch of error messages
[08:34] <escanor> Intel i guess!
[08:35] <lotuspsychje> escanor: yes, error messages are usefull for us volunteers to debug, like the last error lines where you stuck at for example
[08:35] <escanor> Will have to check
[08:35] <escanor> Just let me check
[08:35] <lotuspsychje> ok
[08:35] <escanor> :)
[08:39] <escanor> lotuspsychje:  Where can i upload the pic
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> escanor: imgur.com
[08:42] <escanor> lotuspsychje: https://imgur.com/a/jBb4eVr
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset | escanor try this please
[08:51] <escanor> ubottu: lotuspsychje : where to insert this option
[08:52] <mystic> ubottu you are stupid
[08:52] <escanor> lol :p
[08:52] <mystic> i like insulting robots
[08:52] <lotuspsychje> mystic: dont
[08:53] <mystic> i like it.  i like to go on eh AI chat and insult them.. or amazon alexa
[08:53] <escanor> lotuspsychje: I have changed the input to motherboard still i am getting the error
[08:53] <escanor> Guys please 😅
[08:53] <lotuspsychje> input to motherboard?
[08:55] <escanor> Consider me a noob :p
[08:56] <escanor> lotuspsychje: How can i provide the following input !nomodeset
[08:56] <lotuspsychje> !kernelparm | escanor
[09:00] <escanor> how can i select the option to go to grub menu
[09:02] <escanor> lotuspsychje:  I am not able to select grub options
[09:03] <mystic> install rub customizer?  hen se what options you cna include in menu
[09:03] <mystic> then see*
[09:03] <mystic> grub *...  :/
[09:07] <escanor> Guys i am not able to get the bootloader options
[09:07] <escanor> Initially it used to show the boot option
[09:08] <escanor> Now it boots directly
[09:12] <escanor> lotuspsychje: :)
[09:14] <EoflaOE> escanor: Pastebin the output of /etc/default/grub
[09:16] <escanor> https://imgur.com/a/jBb4eVr
[09:19] <tomreyn> escanorthis seems to state cleary what the issue seems to be: this nvidia hardware is not supported by this nvidia driver.
[09:22] <tomreyn> escanor: i.e. you need a different nvidia driver than 340.107 for the graphics card installed on this system, which is identified by PCI ID 10de:1b06
[09:22] <escanor> yep but i am not getting grub option
[09:23] <tomreyn> if bios booting, hold down shift, or mash it  during boot. if uefi booting, mash escape during boot
[09:43] <escanor> I got the grub option option which parameters to edit?
[09:45] <tomreyn> !nomodeset | escanor
[09:45] <escanor> tomreyn: Should i type this option in grub command line
[09:45] <tomreyn> or just boot to recovery
[09:46] <tomreyn> no, it's something to set on the grub menu
[09:46] <escanor> Just be with me i will uplod the image where the command to be set pls confirm
[09:48] <tomreyn> escanor: just boot to recovery
[09:48] <tomreyn> !recovery
[09:49] <escanor> tomreyn: i am getting list of options on recovery mode
[09:49] <escanor> resume clean etc
[09:50] <tomreyn> escanor: mount file systems / enable networking, then start a root shell
[09:50] <tomreyn> then you can uninstall the nvidia driver or replace it by one which will work for your hardware.
[09:51] <escanor> i am able to log on super user console
[09:54] <tomreyn> you could probably boot to a (slow non-accelerated) vesa driven graphical desktop now by just existing. or you can remove the nvidia-driver* package, or replace it by one which is supposed to work with your hardware.
[09:59] <escanor> how can i unistall  the nvedia drivers ?
[10:00] <cluelessperson> escanor  for what?
[10:00] <alocer> use the driver manager :)
[10:00] <ollehar> tried do-release-upgrade from 14.04, now my system is fucked
[10:00] <ollehar> tips?
[10:00] <escanor> my system is unable to boot becuse of driver error
[10:01] <ollehar> running apt gives:
[10:01] <ollehar> apt: relocation error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libapt-pkg.so.5.0: symbol _ZNKSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEE7compareERKS4_, version GLIBCXX_3.4.21 not defined in file libstdc++.so.6 with link time reference
[10:01] <mystic> fresh install ollehar?
[10:01] <ollehar> would reinstalling libstdc++ help?
[10:01] <escanor> started ubuntu in recovery mode need to unistall the nvidia drivers
[10:01] <ollehar> mystic: worst case, yes, but I'd like to save my machine :p
[10:02] <mystic> maybe would be more stable with a fresh instal lanyway...   if you can just save your files off the broken os
[10:02] <mystic> dont install 19 though...  wasnt very stable for me.  18.04 is good
[10:02] <tomreyn> escanor: this should list all nvidia* packages, those with "ii" are installed:   dpkg -l nvidia*
[10:03] <tomreyn> escanor: to delete a package, use   apt purge PACKAGENAME
[10:03] <ollehar> mystic: yeah, the machine is still running (writing from it) and I can mount usb and copy files
[10:03] <ollehar> mystic: thanks, will do 18.04
[10:04] <mystic> Welcome.. I'm no expert but I know what works well for me , stability etc
[10:04] <ollehar> +1
[10:07] <escanor> tomreyn: Thanks a lot got it working :)
[10:45] <vimar> Hi
[10:46] <vimar> How for christ sake reset Key Ring password (chrome) after changing user password, 18.04?
[10:51] <choon> https://github.com/systemd/systemd/milestone/20 when will we see it in ubuntu? want DNS over TLS... Come on, it is 2019!
[10:57] <Cheez> what's 2019 got to do with it?
[10:58] <mystic> whats 2019 but a second hand emotion?
[10:58] <choon> dns should be encrypted in 2019
[10:59] <mystic> i say it should be encrypted in 2024
[11:00] <choon> https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2019/07/08/isps-call-mozilla-internet-villain-for-promoting-dns-privacy/
[11:00] <mystic> im not oepning a link with naked in the url
[11:00] <choon> I assume your not in the infosec community
[11:01] <mystic> im chair of infosec southeast uk
[11:02] <choon> even android pie support "private dns" but not ubuntu...
[11:05] <mystic> Hmm
[11:05] <mystic> usr tor choon?
[11:05] <mystic> use*
[11:10] <choon> I do, [choon] is connecting from *@gateway/tor-sasl/chuun <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:26] <Stormpie> join #reprap
[11:30] <ws2k3> is it possible to create key binding on the Super key?
[11:32] <ws2k3> i wish to change ctrl+c to super+c in my ubuntu desttop but im not sure how i should do that
[11:34] <moldy> ws2k3: if in doubt, setxkbmap should work
[11:34] <moldy> ubuntu might also have a gui to do that somewhere in the settings
[12:08] <darutoko> what is the best way to configure all my mouse buttons?
[12:10] <darutoko> is this up to date? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MouseCustomizations
[12:11] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:18] <pragmaticenigma> darutoko: All community help pages have a last updated time stamp at the bottom of the page. The one that you linked to is from 2012, so it is quite a bit out of date. xorg.conf files are no longer used
[12:18] <pragmaticenigma> at least not in the manner that is suggested on that page
[12:20] <darutoko> pragmaticenigma, thanks
[12:30] <CoolerZ> hey
[12:30] <CoolerZ> I have a problem with firefox
[12:30] <CoolerZ> when i launch it it says "you have launched an older version of firefox, ..."
[12:30] <CoolerZ> says it could corrupt my profile and so on
[12:30] <lotuspsychje> CoolerZ: update your system?
[12:30] <CoolerZ> how do I fix this?
[12:31] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | CoolerZ
[12:31] <CoolerZ> lotuspsychje, that doesn't make sense
[12:31] <CoolerZ> I am asking why it is displaying that message
[12:31] <lotuspsychje> CoolerZ: its not the first you ask a question here, lets start with your details please: ubuntu version, firefox version?
[12:32] <CoolerZ> I have an idea
[12:32] <CoolerZ> restart
[12:43] <JonelethIrenicus> anyway to control my display based on current power situation like plugged in vs not
[12:46] <pragmaticenigma> JonelethIrenicus: nothing that I know of is baked into Ubuntu for that kind of control. There are ways to attach scripts to "events" that could execute the preferences for you.
[13:13] <theantz> hi. anyone else having issues with the latest kernel of ubuntu 18.04 (4.15.0-60)? I get seemingly random freezes within like 10 minutes after booting. It reacts to nothing then, mouse pointer is frozen, too. Didn't find anything in the logs. I'm back now to 4.15.0-58 and the issue seems gone.
[13:13] <lotuspsychje> theantz: there has been some bugs about it yes
[13:13] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: ^
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> bug #1842447
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> bug #1842629
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> theantz: can you check both, if you are affected too?
[13:15] <theantz> I'll try to, looking into it now
[13:16] <um1b0zu> ok wtf
[13:16] <lotuspsychje> um1b0zu: can we help you?
[13:17] <um1b0zu> remember that article a few years ago about the lock screen problem, where before the signon screen shows up, an image of your desktop shows up?
[13:17] <um1b0zu> and how it's a major security issue because under no circumstances should that ever happen?
[13:17] <um1b0zu> it's still going on in 19.04
[13:18] <um1b0zu> what is the deal with this? I thought this was fixed?
[13:19] <um1b0zu> I obviously can't simulate it and show anyone, but when I come back to my computer and move the mouse before the signon shows, an old image of my screen appears. it's usually from some time ago since I see applications I closed a long time ago.
[13:19] <um1b0zu> what is possibly caching in my system to save an image of my screen and show it to anyone who doesn't have a password?
[13:21] <hggdh> um1b0zu: your best option is to open a bug and refer to the old one
[13:22] <lotuspsychje> theantz: you could try comparing your dmesg to the bugs, see if you can also find panics?
[13:24] <theantz> It should be in /var/log/kern.log right? no panics there
[13:26] <theantz> Regarding 1842447, I'm not familiar with the dns setting of docker compose, could this be related to the systemd-nameserver stuff? Because there was a systemd update, too, and the systemd-dns stuff bit me in the past already (seems to not like funcy stuff with network namespaces)
[13:26] <lotuspsychje> !dmesg | theantz
[13:27] <um1b0zu> where do we send ubuntu bug reports?
[13:27] <um1b0zu> I can't seem to find it on the discourse.ubuntu.com site
[13:27] <lotuspsychje> !bug | um1b0zu
[13:28] <um1b0zu> ok
[13:28] <um1b0zu> I'm trying to search for it again.
[13:28] <hggdh> um1b0zu: Ubuntu uses bugs.launchpad.net for the BTS
[13:28] <um1b0zu> I feel like this bug came up a few years ago and was fixed but has somehow resurfaced
[13:29] <hggdh> um1b0zu: it *may* be a regression; it also might be a brand new bug, difficult to say
[13:29] <theantz> ubottu: yes but kern.log is the log file for it, right? Either way, no panics in both
[13:32] <um1b0zu> hm...
[13:32] <lotuspsychje> theantz: could you pastebin your dmesg on -60 please, volunteers could take a look
[13:32] <um1b0zu> question. does anyone know what program runs the lock screen and if there is a way to get a dump of the logs from it?
[13:33] <lotuspsychje> um1b0zu: when you file a bug, also duplicates are being suggested
[13:35] <theantz> lotuspsychje: yes but what's '-60' (sry for stupid question)? And should I filter out iptables stuff (quite a lot of that in there making it hard to read)?
[13:36] <lotuspsychje> theantz: 4.15.0-60 kernel
[13:36] <theantz> oh lol sure
[13:36] <lotuspsychje> theantz: so its needed to get the dmesg after booting that kernel, and not the -58 one
[13:36] <lotuspsychje> theantz: otherwise we wont find nothing
[13:37] <theantz> lotuspsychje: I found the spot where it froze but there's nothing interesting there. What's weird is that the log cleanly stops. Usually with kernel panics I get some weird half written crap there when it panics
[13:37] <theantz> jup
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> theantz: find anything?
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> um1b0zu: the errors/text from boot till login, you can see with pressing F1 at boot; the system errors afterwards you can see in !dmesg
[13:52] <Sven_vB> um1b0zu, you can also configure the kernel options via GRUB to always show boot messages. (remove "quiet" and "splash")
[13:52] <um1b0zu> so that's the thing
[13:52] <um1b0zu> it's not "booting"
[13:52] <um1b0zu> it's just unlocking
[13:52] <um1b0zu> I submitted a bug report on launchpad though
[13:53] <Sven_vB> as soon as boot completed, you can SSH in to debug
[13:53] <theantz> lotuspsychje: on it right now. About to pastebin it but didn't find anything in there
[13:53] <um1b0zu> it's just weird because I also can't find the blog post
[13:54] <um1b0zu> the blog post talked about the same issue and the dude made it clear that he saw porn in the desktop view. Then there was a long winded post about how to find the bug. I remember this post from like... 2015 but I can't find it. It's exactly the same issue. I lock my screen, go away for a few hours, then come back and before the lock screen comes down, an old view of my workspace shows with all the applications up.
[13:54] <ezzieyguywuf> I am running lubuntu in a qemu virtual machine. Whenever I first boot up the machine, it seems that for some reason the network adaptor does not connect. It shows that it is connected in the network manager gui, however I have to click on the connection to have it re-connect before I have network connectivity
[13:54] <ezzieyguywuf> is there some sort of option I can adjust such that my network is available on boot?
[13:54] <Gosset> Hi, I work on Ubuntu 18.04, and due to my Envidia GeForce Drivers my system can't shutdown or restart, and I've read a lot of users have the same issue. Changing GRUB parameteres do not solve the problem :-(
[13:54] <Gosset> and I can't uninstall these propietary drivers because doing this I lose graphics config
[13:55] <Gosset> *Nvidia
[13:56] <theantz> lotuspsychje: https://0bin.net/paste/qfeq27Uyy0L-PzIt#EI1bsS6uTeQkxJktWg74WdLgJmwuN-E3X5LOWxWFxUV
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> theantz: yeah i cant find something neither
[14:03] <Gosset> the Nvidia problems must be a recurrent topic here
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> theantz: how about in /var/crash nothing there?
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> Gosset: before we can start debug, please send details to the channel like: ubuntu version, graphics card chipset, driver version, kernel version etc
[14:04] <theantz> lotuspsychje: Seems nautilus crashed last week, nothing recent
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> theantz: what about booting into kernel -60 and journalctl -f and watch until it freezes in realtime
[14:06] <Gosset> Ubuntu 12.04, Mate DE, Kernel 5.0.0-27-generic, Graphics: NVIDIA GP107 GeForce GTX 1050....
[14:06] <Gosset> *Ubuntu 18.04 sorry
[14:06] <theantz> lotuspsychje: going to try that now
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> Gosset: ubuntu-drivers list, shows how many driver versions please?
[14:07] <Gosset> how can I retrieve that list
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> Gosset: open a terminal: ubuntu-drivers list
[14:07] <Gosset> nvidia-driver-430
[14:07] <Gosset> nvidia-driver-390
[14:08] <lotuspsychje> Gosset: what you could try is to add the ubuntu graphics ppa and switch to a lower version as a test
[14:08] <Gosset> but using the first one I guess
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> !nvidia | Gosset
[14:09] <Gosset> thanks lotuspsychje
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> Gosset: perhaps the 418 or the 435 test
[14:10] <JonelethIrenicus> hey since we are talking about nvidia drivers anyone know when we will have proper graphics switching on optimus based laptops?
[14:10] <JonelethIrenicus> i heard it was coming down the pipe
[14:10] <Gosset> not only on laptops but on PC too
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> JonelethIrenicus: optimus cards on nvidia already have a switchmode after installing the nvidia driver version
[14:11] <lotuspsychje> JonelethIrenicus: aka, nvidia-prime & nvidia-settings
[14:11] <JonelethIrenicus> lotuspsychje: yeah and that is great but it still requires a logout right?
[14:11] <JonelethIrenicus> im talking about it being automatic based on the application
[14:11] <JonelethIrenicus> like on windows
[14:11] <lotuspsychje> JonelethIrenicus: that could be more a discussion topic for #ubuntu-discuss if you like
[14:12] <JonelethIrenicus> ok
[14:12] <Gosset> for the newbie user it causes a lot of trouble installing Ubuntu with Nvidia GCard :/
[14:12] <Gosset> sorry to say with those words
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> Gosset: there are a lot of driver versions, ubuntu cant install them all at once, its also the user who needs to help choose what he needs
[14:13] <JonelethIrenicus> Gosset: on my laptop it auto installed nvidia gpu for me
[14:13] <Gosset> I know it's my fault because these cards are for Microsoft soft but still
[14:14] <Gosset> well thanks anyway
[14:20] <bobjunga> when my Lenovo X1 Yoga running 19.04 resumes from sleep, some windows (thunderbird and terminal) move and resize.  When I google, I get lots of info about multiple monitors setups but cant find anything about my situation. Any ideas on how to fix this?
[14:21] <theantz> lotuspsychje: so far it seems to not freeze while I idle around with `journalctl -f` running. Trying to find what triggers it now
[14:22] <lotuspsychje> theantz: if you say it doesnt happen on -58, we dont need to look at dpkg logs neither i presume
[14:23] <lotuspsychje> bobjunga: for lenovo machines we advice to update your bios to latest always, do you know if this is the case?
[14:23] <bobjunga> lotuspsychje, I will check
[14:23] <lotuspsychje> bobjunga: normally your dmesg will also show
[14:24] <bobjunga> lotuspsychje, thanks, was just about to ask if I could check without rebooting:)
[14:26] <fred1807> what is the correct pkg? proxychain, proxychain-ng or proxychains4 ?
[14:27] <theantz> lotuspsychje: yes -58 seems fine, on -60 it seems to happen within about 10 min after booting, except right now with just journalctl and some terminals open. It's also kind of random when it happens so I have to wait some time after starting new things and wait if it triggers it
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> theantz: your graphics were amdgpu right?
[14:30] <theantz> Yes
[14:31] <lotuspsychje> theantz: nothing suspects a freeze from there? maybe give your pc a bit of graphic violence to test :p
[14:31] <guiverc> fred1807, https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=all&searchon=names&keywords=proxychain  you decide for yourself & your unstated release
[14:32] <bobjunga> lotuspsychje, my bios is at 1.33 and 1.34 is latest. I will disconnect to go update. I will be back in a while if it persists after update. Thanks for the suggestion.
[14:32] <lotuspsychje> bobjunga: some lenovo models can also update firmware via gnome software, maybe you can check first?
[14:32] <rafajafar> hey I just woke up and there were updates to Ubuntu. I accepted them. It prompted for a reboot, which I accepted. Now my wifi adapter isn't found.
[14:33] <rafajafar> Lenovo Thinkpad, new one
[14:33] <lotuspsychje> bobjunga: or: fwupdate -l
[14:33] <lotuspsychje> rafajafar: wich wifi adapter do you have on wich ubuntu version/kernel?
[14:34] <bobjunga> lotuspsychje, that would be awesome! I was going to reboot into windows to update. checking...
[14:35] <rafajafar> I dont know the adapter but this is the exact model w/o customization: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-p/ThinkPad-P73/p/22WS2WPWP73
[14:35] <theantz> lotuspsychje: it seems a bit buggy from time to time, like sometimes the window manager dies and kicks be back to the login manager. Booting up the big box right now so I dont have to type on the cell phone :)
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> theantz: this is stock amdgpu driver right, not from the amd site?
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> or ppa
[14:35] <rafajafar> I had to install rtl8821ce if I recall to get it working a few weeks ago
[14:35] <theantz> All stock, no ppas
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx theantz
[14:36] <theantz> lotuspsychje: well thank you for the help
[14:37] <rafajafar> oh and I'm on 18.04 whatever the latest kernel update is probs
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> theantz: welcome, lets hope you find the cause
[14:37] <bobjunga> lotuspsychje, whats the relation between fwupdmgr and fwupdate?  fwupdmgr is already installed.
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> rafajafar: lsb_release -a && uname -a
[14:37] <rafajafar> 4.15.0-60-generic
[14:38] <theantz> lotuspsychje: now I have openvpn running in firejail, that's part of my standard-after-login routine
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> rafajafar: can you boot an older kernel version to test please?
[14:38] <rafajafar> yes I do that through advanced boot options correct?
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> rafajafar: correct
[14:39] <rafajafar> ok let me try that now back in a bit
[14:40] <bobjunga> lotuspsychje, "fwupdmgr refresh; fwupdmgr get-updates" reports that 1.33 is the latest and there is nothing to upgrade. 1.34 was release only about 2-3 weeks ago so maybe there is a lag in the linux support
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> bobjunga: ah, tnx for feedback this could indeed be a database issue, not showing latest yet
[14:42] <rafajafar> lotuspsychje, I'm talking to you on my wifi adapter now so rolling back to -58 kernel worked
[14:42] <rafajafar> from -60
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> bobjunga: well till you get your hands on the latest one, you could check your dmesg for acpi related issues on suspend
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> !acpi | bobjunga see also
[14:43] <rafajafar> my question is what is the going-forward path for this machine? Should there be a patch? Just use -58?
[14:43] <lotuspsychje> rafajafar: ok, can you boot back to -60 now, ill hand you over a kernel line to test
[14:43] <rafajafar> ok booting out and sticking network cable back, back in a bit
[14:44] <bobjunga> lotuspsychje, its so great to see fwupdmgr on linux!  will try those routes...
[14:45] <rafajafar> lotuspsychje, I'm back ready to connect to kernel line
[14:45] <lotuspsychje> bobjunga: yeah for some machines its a great project already, mine doesnt support it yet :p
[14:45] <lotuspsychje> rafajafar: ok open your grub config
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> rafajafar: /etc/default/grub
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> rafajafar: and after quiet splash i915.fastboot=0 intel_idle.max_cstate=4
[14:47] <theantz> lotuspsychje: bunch of firejailed openvpn instances seem fine, now adding firefox
[14:48] <rafajafar> so
[14:48] <rafajafar> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
[14:48] <rafajafar> becomes GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash i915.fastboot=0 intel_idle.max_cstate=4"
[14:48] <rafajafar> ?
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> rafajafar: correct, save after and sudo update-grub
[14:49] <rafajafar> ok updated
[14:49] <lotuspsychje> rafajafar: ok now reboot and test -60 again plz
[14:49] <rafajafar> ok
[14:50] <rafajafar> back in a bit
[14:50] <molinot> hi
[14:53] <rafajafar> lotuspsychje, back and the wifi adapter is still not found
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> rafajafar: ok tnx for testing this! you can now edit back that line to 'quiet splash' and sudo update-grub again
[14:55] <rafajafar> ok lotuspsychje I did that
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> rafajafar: lets file a new bug now, do you have a launchpad account?
[14:56] <rafajafar> I dont recall
[14:56] <rafajafar> not a power user, just a guy who prefers to code in ubuntu
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> rafajafar: could you create a launchpad.net account please?
[14:58] <rafajafar> looks like I had one
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> rafajafar: cool, ubuntu-bug linux (from terminal)
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> rafajafar: it will ask you to report the bug, and choose a bug title
[14:59] <rafajafar> roger
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> rafajafar: after title, you enter your story in the bug description, also mentioning you tested kernel -58 and its working there
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> rafajafar: maybe also attach your dmesg log to your bug too
[15:07] <ioria> rafajafar, can you paste lspci -nnk ?
[15:12] <rafajafar> lot
[15:12] <rafajafar> lotuspsychje, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1842686
[15:13] <rafajafar> ioria, I added that information to the ticket
[15:13] <rafajafar> by your request
[15:14] <ioria> rafajafar, so yo uhave an Intel wifi chipset  ?
[15:14] <rafajafar> guess so
[15:16] <ioria> rafajafar, and you tried the  rtl8821ce  for what ? for the card reader ?
[15:16] <theantz> lotuspsychje: lol starting to doubt my mental sanity. After having it freeze twice I now can't reproduce it, like at all so far
[15:16] <rafajafar> ioria, I needed to use rtl8821ce to get it working after I purchased the laptop 3 weeks ago
[15:16] <rafajafar> I attempted to reinstall
[15:16] <rafajafar> it said it was already there and did nothing
[15:17] <rafajafar> secureboot is disabled in bios
[15:18] <ioria> rafajafar, sorry, again : you needed rtl8821ce   for what device ?
[15:18] <theantz> lotuspsychje: except running an instance of `journalctl -f` somehow fixes it but that'd be next-level weird
[15:19] <rafajafar> ioria, when I purchased the laptop and installed Ubuntu on it (dual boot) it, the Wifi adapter was not found. I went through some stuff to get it working. One of those things was installing rtl8821ce
[15:19] <jforman> hi all. can anyone recommend how to debug what kernel module i might be missing when iptables gives me this error "iptables: No chain/target/match by that name." ? i'm using the 'set' iptables module on ubuntu cloud image 18.04.3 LTS
[15:19] <ioria> rafajafar, but it's not realtek , it's an Intel chipset
[15:19] <rafajafar> I really wish I had documented my steps at that time but it was working, and I'm fairly sure rtl8821ce was the fix
[15:19] <rafajafar> ok then must not have been
[15:20] <rafajafar> I went ham on googling solutions, not a power user
[15:22] <ioria> rafajafar, afaiu, you have a Intel Wireless-AX200 (and i'am surprised it worked before with that kernel)
[15:25] <rafajafar> ioria, geeze then I definitely wish I recorded what steps I took
[15:26] <JonelethIrenicus> why isn't the snap folder in my home directory a hidden directory?
[15:26] <ioria> rafajafar, can you confirm that the intel wifi works with the 4.15 -58 kernel ?
[15:26] <rafajafar> confirmed
[15:28] <JonelethIrenicus> seems like it should be hidden or in .config
[15:28] <rafajafar> I can boot into that version of th kernel and give some more data if it's helpful
[15:28] <rafajafar> right now I'm plugged in via cable
[15:28] <rafajafar> lmk how to help ioria
[15:28] <ioria> rafajafar, can you reboot with that kernel and paste again lspci -nnk ?
[15:39] <lotuspsychje> ioria: bug #1842686
[15:40] <ioria> lotuspsychje, yeah, tx, i saw that
[15:41] <lotuspsychje> ioria: he added your command
[15:41] <ioria> yep
[15:42] <rafajafar> ioria, sorry for the delay I'm on -58 using my wifi adapter now
[15:42] <ioria> rafajafar, lspci -nnk | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:45] <rafajafar> ioria, https://termbin.com/6fmo
[15:46] <ioria> rafajafar, dmesg | grep iwl | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:46] <rafajafar> ioria, https://termbin.com/hviy
[15:48] <ioria> rafajafar, and it's working atm ?
[15:49] <rafajafar> yes I'm speaking to you on WiFi right now ioria no cable plugged in
[15:50] <ioria> rafajafar, ok, so i suggest you reboot with -60 and run  again  dmesg | grep iwl   (probably a firmware issue); but something you can do is install a newer kernel with the  HWE
[15:51] <rafajafar> what's hwe?
[15:51] <rafajafar> now when I reboot, you want me to run that w/o network connectivity yes? or does it matter?
[15:51] <ioria> !hwe | rafajafar
[15:52] <ioria> rafajafar, but not sure, 'cause a lot of people have issue also with the 5.0 kernel
[15:52] <ioria> rafajafar, with that intel card, i mean
[15:52] <rafajafar> alright so I'm going to try and get that data for you and be back on -60 using a network cable
[15:53] <rafajafar> brb
[15:53] <ioria> ok
[15:56] <rafajafar> ioria, dmesg | grep iwl
[15:56] <rafajafar> returns nothing
[15:58] <ioria> rafajafar, so it's not loading ; try to manually load it
[15:58] <rafajafar> ok! Teach me sensei
[15:58] <ioria> rafajafar, sudo modprobe iwlwifi
[16:00] <rafajafar> yup nothing ioria
[16:00] <rafajafar> dmesg | grep iwl = blank
[16:00] <rafajafar> after running that command
[16:00] <ioria> rafajafar, lsmod | grep iwl
[16:01] <rafajafar> iwlwifi               290816  0
[16:01] <rafajafar> cfg80211              622592  1 iwlwifi
[16:01] <ioria> rafajafar, mmm, and nothing in dmesg ?
[16:02] <SpiritHorse> rafajafar: can you try "rfkill list all"
[16:04] <rafajafar> ioria, SpiritHorse https://termbin.com/yg6g
[16:05] <ioria> rafajafar, sudo modprobe -r iwlwifi   and sudo modprobe iwlwifi
[16:05] <ioria> rafajafar, and after check again dmesg
[16:06] <NginUS> What's the right way to prioritize a PPA over default repos using /preferenecs.d/foo?
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> NginUS: we dont really advice the use of external ppa's
[16:07] <ioria> NginUS, but check out 'pinning'
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> !pinning | NginUS
[16:08] <NginUS> I've tried 4 different ways of pinning I found on Google & none work...
[16:09] <ioria> NginUS, example here : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto#Example_.231:_Pinning_the_ubuntu-x-swat.2Fq-lts-backport-precise_PPA
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> rafajafar: another idea could be trying some other !mainline kernels, help the devs debug your bug like this
[16:11] <Sven_vB> is there a command line tool to group lines that start with the same word?
[16:14] <rafajafar> ioria, no response, just blank on both
[16:15] <ioria> NginUS, dmesg should tell something  anyhow ....
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> Sven_vB: can this help? https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/496684/group-lines-according-to-first-word
[16:15] <NginUS> ioria: dmesg is full of UFW events, so muchh that otherwise is useles
[16:16] <NginUS> Tried that pinning method, & it didn't help
[16:16] <ioria> NginUS, sorry, not for you
[16:16] <NginUS> o np
[16:16] <ioria> rafajafar, , dmesg should tell something  anyhow ....
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> NginUS: maybe if you could share your end goal, wich tool are you trying to prefer?
[16:17] <Sven_vB> lotuspsychje, looks like that approach has rather bad runtime cost if there are lots of different words. I'd rather write some lines of bash with a dictionary if there's no tool.
[16:18] <ioria> rafajafar, please try again    dmesg | grep iwl
[16:18] <NginUS> The ubuntu-mozilla-security has just a few packages, including a current firefox- 69.0 as of today. I can 'Force Version' in Synaptic but then it won't update per that repo. Even w/ it pinned @ 400 it won't upgrade from the default version 68.0.x
[16:19] <NginUS> * ubuntu-mozilla-security PPA
[16:19] <Sven_vB> lotuspsychje, the sed D command approach might actually work. thanks!
[16:19] <lotuspsychje> welcome Sven_vB ; )
[16:20] <ioria> NginUS, sudo nano  /etc/apt/preferences.d/ubuntu-mozilla-security.pref
[16:20] <NginUS> new file
[16:21] <NginUS> Oh, does it have to be a ".pref" file?
[16:21] <ioria> yep
[16:21] <NginUS> sudo nano /etc/apt/preferences.d/priority-firefox
[16:21] <NginUS> was that^&^
[16:21] <NginUS> k brb
[16:21] <ioria> NginUS, and the content :https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Ygy4BfrSVv/
[16:23] <doev> hi. My x-server is running on the internal gfx chip. Additionaly I have a Nvidia GPU for cuda and similar. The nvidia driver is installed. How can I stop the driver and free the gpu device?
[16:23] <NginUS> ioria: Thats exactly its content except 400 not 701. I thougght lower than 500 is needed to override defaults
[16:23] <ioria> NginUS, try it
[16:23] <NginUS> h
[16:24] <NginUS> sweeet tyvvm
[16:24] <ioria> NginUS, goody
[16:24] <NginUS> .pref, ha!
[16:26] <lotuspsychje> NginUS: just fresh in the news: http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2019/09/firefox-69-0-enhanced-tracking-protection-enabled/
[16:27] <NginUS> lotuspsychje: exactly, whee!
[16:27] <rafajafar> ioria, ccusce@AVAccusce:~$ dmesg | grep iwl
[16:27] <rafajafar> ccusce@AVAccusce:~$ dmesg | grep iwl
[16:27] <rafajafar> ccusce@AVAccusce:~$
[16:28] <ioria> rafajafar, ok, two options 1) wait for jeremy31 when active or 2) try this : https://askubuntu.com/questions/1156167/unable-to-get-wifi-adapter-working-clean-19-04-install-network-unclaimed
[16:30] <vlt> Hello. I got my network configuration via DHCP from my provider. Their DNS is broken at the moment. What is the recommended way to temporarily set a static nameserver?
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> rafajafar: or try !mainline kernels as other tests for your bug
[16:32] <ioria> rafajafar, but is  out-of-tree ?
[16:33] <ioria> rafajafar, modinfo iwlwifi
[16:36] <rafajafar> ioria, https://termbin.com/tamr
[16:43] <SimonNL> could be wrong but   https://askubuntu.com/questions/1156167/unable-to-get-wifi-adapter-working-clean-19-04-install-network-unclaimed shows kernel 5.1 is needed to support AX200
[16:44] <SimonNL> rafajafar:   ^
[16:45] <rafajafar> ioria, backport-iwlwifi workd
[16:45] <rafajafar> I'm on wifi now
[16:45] <rafajafar> not sure what it does
[16:46] <ioria> rafajafar, thanks chili555
[16:46] <rafajafar> thanks chili555
[16:47] <ioria> hehehe
[16:48] <rafajafar> ok back to work!
[16:51] <kur1j> when I do "date" on this one particular server, I get this as the response "2019. 09. 05. (목) 01:49:46 KST" this server is in Korea
[16:52] <lotuspsychje> kur1j: maybe the #ubuntu-server guys are more familliar with it
[17:04] <avatar_project> hello
[17:04] <EoflaOE> avatar_project: Hello, how can we help?
[17:05] <avatar_project> how run tftp server using tftpd-hpa? i try for hours
[17:06] <EoflaOE> avatar_project: Pastebin the output of "netstat -nap".
[17:09] <avatar_project> EoflaOE, http://wklejto.pl/761742
[17:13] <ioria> avatar_project, maybe  sudo systemctl restart tftpd-hpa  ?
[17:13] <theantz> ouch I had -60 crash again on me. This time while I was afk with display-out off (screen locked). Didn't react to anything and nothing useful in the logs again
[17:13] <lotuspsychje> theantz: ouch
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> ioria: theantz has also problem on -60 random freezes, not happening on -58
[17:14] <avatar_project> EoflaOE, ioria http://wklejto.pl/761745
[17:15] <ioria> avatar_project, again, netstat -a | grep tftp
[17:15] <ioria> lotuspsychje, i see
[17:16] <lotuspsychje> theantz: maybe you should also file a bug for this?
[17:16] <lotuspsychje> theantz: you looked at those 2 other bugs, werent really related right? no kernel panics?
[17:16] <avatar_project> ioria, udp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:tftp            <IP_ADDRESS>:*
[17:16] <avatar_project> udp6       0      0 [::]:tftp               [::]:*
[17:16] <ioria> avatar_project, should be running now
[17:17] <theantz> the kernel panic one not (boots fine), the other one I think not
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> theantz: ubuntu-bug linux
[17:17] <theantz> (I don't have docker containers running)
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx
[17:17] <theantz> (just docker installed)
[17:18] <theantz> lotuspsychje: should I run this on -60 (assuming I can go through without freeze)
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> theantz: yes please, as it will drag your system longs/info into the bug
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> *logs
[17:19] <avatar_project> EoflaOE, ioria  http://www.wklejto.pl/761748
[17:20] <avatar_project> this is magic, lol
[17:20] <theantz> ok, thx
[17:20] <avatar_project> 3 hours!
[17:20]  * theantz reboots
[17:20] <avatar_project> service restart and ... it works
[17:20] <ioria> avatar_project, ok, it works
[17:21] <avatar_project> ioria, lets try with switch
[17:24] <hydrian> Fighting an odd issue here. Every time I try to set a my 64bit Ubuntu guest VM over 4GB of ram, it resets back to 4GB. My host is a 64bit host. I have 24GB of RAM.
[17:24] <hydrian> Running on KVM
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> !crosspost | hydrian
[17:26] <EoflaOE> avatar_project: Nice to get it working. Can you boot to PXE?
[17:26] <avatar_project> EoflaOE, i want to repair switch using serial console
[17:30] <avatar_project> Validating and Writing System Software to FLASH...
[17:30] <avatar_project> looks good ..
[17:34] <avatar_project> and fail, old FW
[17:34] <avatar_project> i will find older relase
[17:50] <courrier> any idea how dnsmasq on Docker/Ubuntu with nginx serving a.example.org and b.example.org could end up with nslookup a.example.org pointing to the right <IP_ADDRESS> address but b.example.org pointing to <IP_ADDRESS>?
[17:51] <courrier> b.example.org is well served on the server itself but clients try to connect to <IP_ADDRESS>...
[17:54] <Ben64> courrier: sounds like a dns problem
[17:58] <theantz> lotuspsychje: Bug report is out (#1842726)
[17:58] <theantz> lotuspsychje: thx for your help with this
[17:59] <makr8100> heyyy there's nobody in that channel
[18:00] <courrier> Ben64: got it! My server hostname was "b" so b was resolved as <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:00] <courrier> That's the drawback of getting dnsmasq in Docker I guess
[18:00] <courrier> There's someone a double configuration
[18:03] <avatar_project> EoflaOE, ioria i updated my crashing switch
[18:03] <avatar_project> thank you!
[18:11] <avatar_project> so,only last question
[18:11] <avatar_project> This product requires the Java language, which is either disabled or not available on this browser.
[18:11] <avatar_project> To use this product you must either upgrade your browser to one that is Java compliant, or enable the Java language on your current browser.
[18:11] <theantz> ops
[18:11] <avatar_project> java? in 2019 year? :D
[18:13] <JimBuntu> Java is def still a thing and will be long after 2019, I don't get the reference avatar_project. Either way, what product, what browser?
[18:13] <theantz> but java applets? ehhhuh :D
[18:14] <lordcirth_> I have that problem with some of our older server iloms. The new ones have a firmware update for an HTML5 version, it's great.
[18:14] <avatar_project> JimBuntu, new FF relases do not support Java
[18:14] <avatar_project> applets
[18:14] <EoflaOE> avatar_project: There are security issues as well, from what I understood
[18:14]  * theantz shudders
[18:14] <JimBuntu> Ok, don't use FF then
[18:14] <avatar_project> opera
[18:15] <avatar_project> also not java support
[18:15] <lordcirth_> avatar_project, what site do you need java for?
[18:15] <JimBuntu> Don't use X then. Are you asking the volunteer #ubuntu support channel to fix some specific browser? Sorry, I'm a little but confused.
[18:16] <avatar_project> JimBuntu, which browser supports java?
[18:17] <JimBuntu> avatar_project, idk I'll ask Canonical
[18:17] <JimBuntu> Sorry, I don't mean to be rude, but that's not really a question/topic for this channel, as far as I know, I could be totally wrong though and apologize if so
[18:18] <avatar_project> JimBuntu, sorry ...
[18:18] <JimBuntu> avatar_project, I bet ##linux could be a bit more helpful though
[18:19] <avatar_project> theantz, web interface of switch requires java support ... :D
[18:19] <JimBuntu> That channel isn't so specific and they allow much more chit chat
[18:27] <rumbler31> https://serverfault.com/questions/981317/cant-fetch-updated-packages-from-a-local-offline-ubuntu-repo-mirror
[18:28] <rumbler31> I could use some advice.  I made a mirror with apt-mirror.  The client will pull the Packages file from my local repo just fine, but doesn't seem to notice that there are new packages available
[18:40] <Mark88> after upgrading to 16.04 (trying to get to 18.04) my desktop boots into xfce however when I click on file manager it returnes me with my old background and the whole desktop acts like unity or kind of a xfce-unity cross. anyone know how to fix this?
[18:47] <sarnold> if you're on your way to 18.04 it might not be worth putting much time into fixing it?
[18:48] <Mark88> I'm afraid it might get worse lol
[18:50] <makr8100> ya I'd just install fresh
[18:50] <makr8100> I'm unfortunately stuck with a 14.04 server and the latest problem is with ntp :/
[18:52] <ioria> Mark88, are we talking about a broken upgrade to 18.04 or what ?
[18:53] <Mark88> no I'm on my way to it from 14.04 but already having issues with the desktop in 16.04
[18:53] <makr8100> he said he has a broken 16.04 after upgrading to it, and wants to go all the way to 18.04
[18:55] <ioria> Mark88, if you use xfce, you can upgrade to bionic ; if you want unity better to stay with xenial
[18:56] <Lhefe> guys, running xubuntu 18.04 on my laptop with i915 driver, everything functions fine except for the screen timeout. under power management, if i set screen to turn off it will turn off and on as designed, however if i select "blank screen" after x minutes, the screen will not come back on without ctrl+alt+f1, ctrl+alt+f7 will bring me back to desktop. Any ideas?
[18:57] <Mark88> no I use xfce
[18:58] <makr8100> Lhefe: there are a lot of changes for i915 in recent kernel updates, you'll want to make sure you have something very recent for a kernel
[18:58] <Lhefe> makr8100, I'm running 5.0.0-27-generic
[19:03] <ioria> Lhefe, some shell-extension installed ?
[19:03] <ioria> oh, sorry, Xubuntu
[19:04] <Lhefe> correct
[19:06] <ioria> Lhefe, what's in use ? xscreensaver ?
[19:07] <Lhefe> I am not using xscreensaver
[19:07] <Lhefe> Vanilla install of 18.04 essentially
[19:08] <Lhefe> updated, of course
[19:08] <Lhefe> What does xubuntu use by default? light locker? Maybe there is the issue
[19:09] <ioria> Lhefe, dpkg -l | grep xscreen   and dpkg -l | grep light-locker
[19:11] <rumbler31> it does appear that /var/lib/apt/lists/ is not getting updated with my local mirror
[19:12] <ioria> Lhefe, if light-locker, check if  Presentation mode is checked
[19:12] <Lhefe> light-locker and light-locker-settings are installed, 1.8.0 and 1.5.0
[19:12] <makr8100> Lhefe: I would try to upgrade to 5.2 if possible
[19:12] <Lhefe> presentation mode is not checked
[19:13] <Lhefe> makr8100, couldnt hurt I suppose. The issue is either there or with light-locker perhaps.
[19:15] <ioria> Lhefe,  you can remove light-locker and try xscreensaver , with a bit of attention
[19:20] <CarlFK> pidgin - how to do I get to my buddy list window?  upgraded to ubuntu from 16 to 18.04, I can't find the menu that used to be under an envelope icon on the status bar near the wifi/battery status
[19:22] <ioria> CarlFK, with some extension maybe
[19:22] <CarlFK> ioria: what?
[19:23] <ioria> CarlFK, https://extensions.gnome.org/# and type 'pidgin'
[19:29] <CarlFK> ioria:  none of those look like they will help - do you use pidgin?
[19:29] <ioria> nope
[19:31] <ioria> CarlFK, but you cannot expect the same desktop behavior on unity and on gnome-shell
[19:35] <CarlFK> ioria: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Pidgin  "2. Click the Pidgin icon, then: Accounts..."  I have no "Accounts"
[19:36] <EoflaOE> CarlFK: Pastebin the contents of .purple/prefs.xml
[19:36] <ioria> CarlFK, Pidgin (last edited 2012-03-02 22:34:47
[19:37] <ioria> CarlFK, if nothing works, the you can try the ppa (ppa:kip/pidgin)
[19:41] <CarlFK> oy!  https://paste.ubuntu.com isn't working?
[19:41] <EoflaOE> CarlFK: Try Pastebin website
[19:41] <ioria> CarlFK, cat $HOME/.purple/prefs.xml  | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:42] <CarlFK> EoflaOE: https://dpaste.de/mCQE
[19:44] <EoflaOE> CarlFK: In line 405, the buddy list visibility is currently disabled. Change the value into 1 so it looks like: <pref name='list_visible' type='bool' value='1'/>
[19:44] <ioria> CarlFK,  you can try this: killall pidgin; change this line '<pref name='list_visible' type='bool' value='0'/>  from '0' to '1'; and restart pidgin
[19:49] <EoflaOE> CarlFK: Did the buddy list appear?
[19:49] <CarlFK> EoflaOE: it did - thanks
[19:49] <EoflaOE> You are welcome.
[19:51] <CarlFK> im still a bit curious how things are spozed to work - like I consider this "broken" - so where should an issue be opened?
[19:52] <EoflaOE> CarlFK: You can open the issue, using "ubuntu-bug <package>"
[19:53] <CarlFK> I have a "pidgin Internet Messenger" menu on my status bar, but the only option under it is "Quit"  - is that expected ?
[19:54] <CarlFK> same when I switch to Firefox - I get a FF menu that is just Quit
[19:55] <Lhefe> is replacing light-locker with xscreensaver as simple as remove one and install the other, or where is special attention needed
[19:55] <EoflaOE> CarlFK: OK. What is your desktop environment? GNOME?
[19:55] <deadrom> hi
[19:56] <CarlFK> EoflaOE: how do I check?
[19:56] <deadrom> xubuntu 18.04, no video thumbs in gThumb (neither in gwenview). what's missing?
[19:57] <EoflaOE> CarlFK: I will look it up. Hint: If you are using regular Ubuntu, then the default one is GNOME
[19:59] <CarlFK> EoflaOE: I installed 16 back in 16, just upgraded to 18 a few weeks ago
[19:59] <CarlFK> so yeah, prolly gnome, but for stuff like this it is good to have some way to confirm it
[20:00] <EoflaOE> CarlFK: Does "echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP" say anything?
[20:00] <CarlFK> ubuntu:GNOME
[20:01] <EoflaOE> CarlFK: So you were using GNOME by ubuntu-session.
[20:02] <EoflaOE> What happens if you expand menu for all other apps like terminal?
[20:03] <CarlFK> EoflaOE: is "expand menu" the "Activities" link in the upper left corner?
[20:04] <EoflaOE> CarlFK: No, I mean the application menu that is next to Activities
[20:06] <CarlFK> EoflaOE: ah - FF, Chrome, pidgin - those just have "quit" - term and settings have optins, like term: New tab, new window, prefs , help about quit
[20:08] <EoflaOE> CarlFK: You can file a request about such options for FF, Pidgin, and so on, to Launchpad
[20:11] <EoflaOE> CarlFK: Looking further, you can file a bug report for specific packages but specify that it was a feature request.
[20:14] <bobjunga> (returning after updating bios) when I resume from sleep my lenovo x1 yoga gen2 with current bios, some windows (but not all) move and resize. for example, Terminal wins move but chrome do not. I have captured acpi, dbus, dmesg, and upower logs over the suspend and resume but nothing stands out. Any ideas on how to debug this?
[20:21] <bobjunga> also, I have disabled all startup applications and gnome extensions and rebooted and problem persists with just gnome-terminal windows open
[20:23] <CarlFK> bobjunga: chrome doesn't move?  um, try Alt-space, should give you a menu, 'move" and then arrows to move the window around (maybe mouse too)
[20:25] <bobjunga> CarlFK, no, all windows respond to control normally, but every time I suspend and resume, some windows are moved and resized. Other windows (like chrome and atom) stay in the same location.
[20:27] <bobjunga> the windows that move go towards the upper left as if maybe they are being resized because the resolution dropped down, but some windows dont change even if they are in the lower right
[20:30] <CarlFK> bobjunga: ah, "neat".  sounds like as your video card shuts down or wakes up it is reporting a wonky size?
[20:30] <CarlFK> (sorry if this has already been hashed out)
[20:33] <bobjunga> CarlFK, I thought so, but it seems that it not it because it does not effect all windows. Also, I manually change to a lower resolution and back and can not reproduce the behavior. (BTW, something remembers the window positions in that case and puts them all back to where they were)
[20:34] <HumanSheeple> How do I remotely upgrade the kernel to my VNS server?
[20:35] <CarlFK> bobjunga: nother thought: when I plug in a 2nd monitor, move some winodows to it, unplug (and they all come back to the laptop) then plug it in again, they all go back to the 2nd.. but...
[20:35] <CarlFK> if I plug in a different monitor, they all stay put  (which is super cool).
[20:37] <CarlFK> so maybe whatever does that thinks a different display .. because this stuff thinks ya know :p
[20:38] <bobjunga> CarlFK, I wonder what component is remembering the window positions and changing them based on display changes? xorg or gnome?
[21:04] <ArthurStrong> Hi all. Guys, my CPU fan under CPU load cools it, and that's OK. But it switching between 1440 and 1470 RPM each second. Which irritates me. What to do so it will not switch so often? I set INTERVAL in pwmconfig with no luck.
[21:25] <doug16k> ArthurStrong, you can hear 30 rpm difference?
[21:26] <doug16k> impressive
[21:40] <ArthurStrong> doug16k: if your cooler is old and cheap...
[21:52] <ncuxo> Hello everybody
[21:52] <ncuxo> is it safe to remove the world permissions on everything?
[21:52] <ncuxo> for a private system why do I need them
[21:53] <ncuxo> what is their purpose?
[21:55] <sarnold> ncuxo: which ones?
[21:56] <ncuxo> I wanna leave world/others with 0 permissions
[21:57] <sarnold> which ones?>
[21:57] <ncuxo> on all the files in the OS
[21:57] <sarnold> that would be a mistake
[21:58] <ncuxo> okay what is their purpose
[21:58] <ncuxo> why do I need them if the system is used only by me
[21:59] <ncuxo> and its a private computer
[21:59] <ncuxo> I was reading a tutorial on linux and they were explaining the permissions
[22:00] <ncuxo> and maybe I have missed something because I thought it would be a great idea to leave others with 0 permissions
[23:14] <ht3567> Hi
[23:16] <ht3567> My Ubuntu (18.04) had an update recently, after which, am unable to boot the system, without using the GRUB menu... It keeps blinking purple and black, blank, if I don't hold down the SHIFT key for GRUB...
[23:17] <ht3567> Is there some solution, which may not require me to re-install the OS?
[23:18] <Bashing-om> ht3567: Graphic's driver ? - what shows ' sudo lshw -C display ' ?
[23:19] <disi> i just encountered `var = yield` (in a pytest hook)... how does that work?
[23:19] <ht3567> *-display UNCLAIMED
[23:19] <ht3567> description: VGA compatible controller
[23:19] <disi> oops, wrong chan sorry
[23:19] <ht3567> description: VGA compatible controller
[23:20] <ht3567> description: VGA compatible controller
[23:20] <ht3567> physical id: 2
[23:20] <ht3567> bus info: pci@0000:00:02.0
[23:20] <ht3567> version: 07
[23:21] <ht3567> width: 64 bits
[23:21] <ht3567> clock: 33MHz
[23:21] <ht3567> capabilities: pciexpress msi pm vga_controller bus_master cap_list
[23:21] <ht3567> configuration: latency=0
[23:21] <xdeadbeef> hey, random console weirdness.  All characters typed on keyboard add escape character ^[ before character. e.g. if I type b, I get ^[b
[23:21] <ht3567> resources: memory:d0000000-d0ffffff memory:c0000000-cfffffff ioport:f000(size=64) memory:c0000-dffff
[23:21] <saor> lol that multline paste tho
[23:22] <xdeadbeef> what's going on?
[23:22] <ht3567> Bashing-om: That's it... The message returned by terminal
[23:22] <Bashing-om> !paste | ht3567  Yeah no driver loaded; paste that result and we see what we can do.
[23:23] <ht3567> !paste
[23:24] <ht3567> Well... Duly noted... Have pasted the results line-by-line, though...
[23:25] <Bashing-om> ht3567: Except in the above I do not see what the hardware is .
[23:26] <ht3567> How can I provide you that?
[23:26] <ht3567> It's Dell Inspiron 15 3567... But what hardware information is exactly required?
[23:27] <ht3567> Also, the system was working fine before the recent 250MB System Update
[23:27] <Bashing-om> ht3567: pastebin sites :) .. an alternative pastebin (command) ' sudo lshw -C display | nc termbin.com 9999 ' .
[23:28] <Bashing-om> ht3567: The result is a URL back in terminal - pass that link back here.
[23:28] <sarnold> xdeadbeef: you could try 'reset' or 'stty -sane' and see if the problem goes away with one of those?
[23:28] <ht3567> Bashing-om: https://termbin.com/6a3i
[23:28] <xdeadbeef> nm, seems I just had to mash the keyboard.  sarnold, unfortunately, I couldn't anything as I couldn't login! :)
[23:29] <xdeadbeef> I *suspect* one of the F. keys had done something (scroll lock? changed input mode?).  anyway, all I had to do was ask and it's fixed so, thanks to the ether :)
[23:29] <sarnold> xdeadbeef: aha! typical irc :D
[23:30] <sarnold> ask and it just goes away..
[23:30] <Bashing-om> ht3567: Hummm Imtel, and Intel "just works" .. pastebin lspci -k|grep -iEA5 'vga|3d' .
[23:30] <sarnold> xdeadbeef: perhaps alt was stuck?
[23:32] <ht3567> Bashing-om : https://termbin.com/8w8m
[23:34] <ht3567> Bashing-om : It'd be fine if the system could at-least go back to "just working", until I get to upgrade the Hardware, which am unable to visualize anytime soon :-/
[23:34] <xdeadbeef> sarnold, could be.  I'm amazed that eeepc isn't completely dead by now, however, works well as a security camera with motion.  I thought it might be hardware but a second keyboard plugged in did the same.  probably stuck key like you say.
[23:35] <sarnold> xdeadbeef: oh wow an eeepc? :) neat
[23:37] <xdeadbeef>  sarnold ubuntu server to the rescue :)  it's probably heavier than it needs but its easy to configure and light enough.
[23:38] <sarnold> heh yeah, linux has been letting folks make good use of hardware way after windows isn't fun on it..
[23:41] <Bashing-om> ht3567: Humm Intel only - is the driver available ' dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-intel ' .
[23:42] <ht3567> Bashing-om : https://termbin.com/pc86
[23:44] <ht3567> Bashing-om : It stated that the Graphics Driver may not load while booting from Ubuntu Recovery Mode, but the issue is, that am unable to boot the machine, otherwise, than by GRUB>AdvancedOptions>*******(recovery mode)
[23:45] <Bashing-om> ht3567: Think'n.
[23:45] <ht3567> That?
[23:47] <ht3567> Bashing-om : Thanks for looking into this, though... I have recently switched from Windows, so, may not be helping much...!!
[23:47] <Bashing-om> ht3567: "recovery mode" does defeat Kernel Mode Setting such that the driver does not load. In the recovery, what results ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ; sudo apt -f install ' . see here if this is a package management issue.
[23:49] <ht3567> Bashing-om : 333MB downloading ;)
[23:49] <Bashing-om> ht3567: Maybe then :)
[23:51] <ht3567> Bashing-om : Yeah... So... Once it's done, should I just try rebooting the system, or, generate some other system status command for you to review?
[23:51] <ht3567> :')
[23:51] <Bashing-om> ht3567: Try a normal boot :D
[23:51] <ht3567> Okay :D
[23:52] <ht3567> Bashing-om : Thanks a lot!
[23:52] <Bashing-om> ht3567: That is IF there are no errors reported ny apt -f .
[23:52] <Bashing-om> ny/by*
[23:53] <ht3567> Bashing-om: Just a few more seconds...
[23:54] <Bashing-om> ht3567: By the way - welcome to linux :P
[23:56] <ht3567> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: | libllvm7 linux-headers-4.15.0-54 linux-headers-4.15.0-54-generic linux-headers-4.15.0-55 | linux-headers-4.15.0-55-generic linux-image-4.15.0-54-generic linux-image-4.15.0-55-generic | linux-modules-4.15.0-54-generic linux-modules-4.15.0-55-generic linux-modules-extra-4.15.0-54-generic | linux-modules-extra-4.15.0-55-generic|Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove them.|0
[23:56] <ht3567> upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded|
[23:56] <TeixeiraRafael> clear
[23:56] <ht3567> Bashing-om: Thank You... Is really fun to be on Linux...!!
[23:57] <TeixeiraRafael> hey, I'm having some issues with broken dependencies when trying to install the compton package
[23:57] <Bashing-om> ht3567: Reboot and lets see what a normal boot routine does :)
[23:58] <ht3567> Bashing-om : Okay               :D
[23:58] <TeixeiraRafael> it sais it depends on libc6>=2.29 but 2.27-3ubuntu1 is to be installed
[23:58] <TeixeiraRafael> already tried "apt -f install"


[00:22] <rockstar> I don't suppose anyone is around for a review?
[22:46] <thumper> rockstar: what's up?
[23:36] <thumper> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~thumper/launchpad/git-update-attempt-2/+merge/25861
[23:37] <thumper> mwhudson: ^^
[23:38] <mwhudson> thumper: approved


[00:00] <JanC> Rhonda: you can try running an x86 guest OS with qemu on your PowerPC notebook  ;)
[03:43] <micahg> can someone please give back minitube on armel and powerpc: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/minitube/1.1-1
[03:47] <funkyHat> I'm stuck trying to run debuild on a package I grabbed using bzr ( bzr branch lp:ubuntu/gnome-system-tools )
[03:48] <funkyHat> dpkg-source: error: can't build with source format '3.0 (quilt)': no orig.tar file found
[03:48] <micahg> funkyHat: you need to use bzr-builddeb
[03:49] <funkyHat> micahg: ah thanks ⡈)
[03:49] <micahg> funkyHat: np
[03:51] <funkyHat> ooh, that's a little broken (or I'm doing something else wrong)
[03:52] <funkyHat> bzr-buildpackage on its own failed, and bzr-buildpackage -S has no way to specify that I don't want to sign it, so that fails too
[03:52] <funkyHat> But it's ok, running bzr-buildpackage pulled down the orig.tar.gz so I can do it with debuild now ;D
[03:53] <micahg> funkyHat: it should actually generate the .orig.tar.gz from the bzr repo if pristine-tar is used
[03:53] <funkyHat> Oh, well it did perhaps do that
[03:54] <funkyHat> But the orig.tar.gz was there, which is the important thing ;D
[04:00] <ScottK> micahg: lamont will run a script to resurrect all the failed builds once gcc 4.5 is done building on both archs.  Probably tomorrow or monday.
[04:01] <micahg> ScottK: k, I won't worry about it then, thanks
[04:08] <funkyHat> ScottK: does that only apply to those archs, gnome-system-tools needs a rebuild I think, just testing
[04:09] <funkyHat> ?
[04:09] <ScottK> funkyHat: Just powerpc and armel.  We had a breakage yesterday and today in gcc that made almost all builds on those two archs fail.
[04:10] <funkyHat> ScottK: ok, I'll carry on filing this bug+branch then ⡈)
[05:36] <Laibsch> anybody here using pbuilder together with custom hooks?  I'm trying to use the $BUILDRESULT variable in one of my hooks, but for some reason the variable is empty or not set to any value.  The script itself is called just fine.  /usr/lib/pbuilder/hooks/B10-test: http://paste.debian.net/87862/
[05:37] <Laibsch> Output of that script from a pbuilder run is just "BUILDRESULT is set to ", so the variable seems to be not set to any value.  I thought it was one of the "official" variables that I could use freely?
[05:54] <ScottK> The pbuilder package has some example scripts in it.  I'd check those.
[05:55] <Laibsch> ScottK: good suggestion
[05:55] <Laibsch> In fact I already looked at them
[05:55] <Laibsch> But there are none that use the BUILDRESULT variable, it seems
[05:56] <Laibsch> Actually, I have specified what BUILDRESULT should be in /etc/pbuilderrc and that's where the resulting debs are indeed put.
[08:59] <Rhonda> JanC: Sure, and learn to appreciate the speed of a c64 again?
[09:14] <geser> funkyHat: bzr bd -S -- -us -uc (or any other debuild options you need)
[09:33] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: Thanks for that merge!
[12:54] <OwaisL> Hey everyone, I just uploaded my package to REVU. Would anyone check it out please.
[12:56] <micahg> OwaisL: what package?
[12:56] <OwaisL> gmailwatcher
[12:56] <OwaisL> it's in a ppa too
[12:56] <OwaisL> ppa:loneowais/ppa
[13:28] <st__> why ubuntu maintainers never generate a .pot files in source packages?
[13:45]  * 52AACAD66 is away: Zurzeit abwesend
[14:03] <Laney> DktrKranz: ping re: gtk-sharp-beans
[14:03] <Laney> and congrats on the point release ;)
[14:07]  * 52AACAD66 is back.
[14:07] <st__> why ubuntu maintainers never generate a .pot files in source packages?
[14:09] <Laney> we don't translate universe packages in ubuntu
[14:12] <lucidfox> I have a question, since I'm writing my own app using GSettings
[14:13] <Rhonda> st__: Because there is nothing generated in the source package by ubuntu maintainers - that would be an upstream job to do.
[14:13] <lucidfox> At what stage are GSettings schemas compiled into the binary format? I've looked at evince, but the debs only install the XML files
[14:13] <lucidfox> and I can find no postinst commands or anything
[14:57] <DktrKranz> Laney: will do after dinstall run is finished
[14:57] <Laney> cheers
[15:27] <bilalakhtar> AnAnt: السلام علئكم Thanks for that endorsement! But its incomplete!
[15:28] <AnAnt> bilalakhtar: yes, that is my first, I still didn't finish it
[15:45] <DktrKranz> Laney: done
[15:46] <Laney> DktrKranz: thanks so much!
[15:46] <Laney> didrocks: we are nearly over the finish line
[16:13] <kklimonda> can someone sponsor bug 629495?
[16:17] <nigelb> kklimonda: don't you need Ffe?
[16:17] <nigelb> or is it just bug fix :)
[16:19] <Laney> Yes, I'd say that needs a freeze exception
[16:22] <kklimonda> Well, it's part of gnome and I've asked seb128 whether it's fine to go with it but I can always request an official FFe
[16:22] <Laney> please post that in the bug then
[16:23] <Laney> (that it has been approved)
[16:25] <kklimonda> mhm, done
[17:46] <Elbrus> I just added a debdiff to bug 621905, and subscribed ubuntu-sponsors, but I am not sure if that is correct with regard to any freeze
[17:47] <Elbrus> or if ubuntu-sponsors was the right group to subscribe (the subscription went one step to quick where I wanted to verify)
[18:04] <OwaisL> hey, I uploaded my first ever package to REVU today. Got some errors warnings, anyone got time to guide me through? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=858
[18:07] <Rhonda> Hmm, now I wonder why it says lucid and not maverick?
[18:08] <Rhonda> OwaisL: You sure about that number? It's archived since may 2008?
[18:09] <OwaisL> what's happening to me...
[18:09] <OwaisL> today
[18:09] <OwaisL> here it is
[18:09] <OwaisL> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=8582
[18:16] <Rhonda> Which warning are you wondering about?
[18:17]  * RainCT updates REVU's config file (lucid->maverick)
[18:17] <Rhonda> RainCT: That's helpful indeed. :)
[18:17] <RainCT> ok, the warning is gone now
[18:18] <Rhonda> Or wait a month and switch it directly to nattie? ;)
[18:18] <RainCT> Heh. Hey, things don't change by themselves if nobody complained about them :P
[18:19] <RainCT> OwaisL: Cool. You could start by looking at the warnings REVU is showing you
[18:24] <RainCT> OwaisL: are you upstream for that app?
[18:26] <OwaisL> RainCT: Oh, I didn't notice.
[18:26] <OwaisL> Yes, I am.
[18:38] <RainCT> OwaisL: Okay, I've left a review. By the way, are you aware that you can't get the package into Ubuntu until Maverick is released?
[18:38] <OwaisL> RainCT: yes, i know that.
[19:41] <OwaisL> RainCT: Just two warnings left now.
[19:42] <OwaisL> RainCT: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/gmailwatcher
[21:01] <AlanBell> o/ Laney
[21:01] <Laney> hoi
[21:02] <AlanBell> ok, bit of context for others before we carry on
[21:02] <AlanBell> !blogtk
[21:02] <AlanBell> !info blogtk
[21:03] <AlanBell> blogtk does not run in maverick, it fails because of a lack of python-gtkhtml2 which has been deprecated
[21:03] <micahg> AlanBell: ugh, I should fix that, we missed that in Lucid
[21:03] <AlanBell> the dependency was removed, but not the code, which left it non-starter in lucid and maverick
[21:03] <AlanBell> upstream is on launchpad here https://launchpad.net/blogtk
[21:04] <AlanBell> and the dependency is properly fixed, it runs, seems nice.
[21:05] <AlanBell> The upstream bzr and tar.gz includes a /debian directory and does not seem to be quite as expected when following the python packaging guide
[21:11] <micahg> thanks tumbleweed
[21:12] <tumbleweed> micahg: np
[21:12] <AlanBell> would it be best to create a new branch from lp:blogtk/2.0 without the /debian directory? or try to use what is there? I am not sure how to proceed
[21:14] <tumbleweed> AlanBell: why does it matter what thye have in bzr? Is there no release since fixing this?
[21:15] <AlanBell> tumbleweed: the tar.gz has /debian in it too
[21:15] <AlanBell> http://launchpad.net/blogtk/2.0/2.0/+download/blogtk-2.0.tar.gz
[21:15] <tumbleweed> AlanBell: source format 3 deletes /debian in upstream source when unpacking
[21:16] <tumbleweed> (3.0 quilt, that is)
[21:16] <AlanBell> ok, so that could be a good .tar.gz to start from then, excellent
[21:16]  * AlanBell is new to this packaging stuff
[21:17] <tumbleweed> yes, you should be able to use it
[21:19] <AlanBell> ok, should I be following the python packaging guide or is there a better document I should use?
[21:19] <AlanBell> s/better/more appropriate/
[21:20] <tumbleweed> AlanBell: are we abandoning the existing packaging?
[21:21] <tumbleweed> oh, I see it was removed from debian
[21:21] <AlanBell> hmm, not sure. I checked the debian/patches directory and looked at the current source, most seem to have been applied upstream (or rewritten differently)
[21:21] <AlanBell> yeah, it is no longer in debian
[21:21] <micahg> tumbleweed: only because it was abandoned upstream
[21:21] <micahg> debian 551005
[21:21] <micahg> and debian 443133
[21:22] <tumbleweed> yeah, just read those
[21:23] <tumbleweed> ok, the existing packaging isn't *that* bad
[21:23] <tumbleweed> AlanBell: python-support's  README is a reasonable guide for what's needed
[21:23] <AlanBell> so is the way forward to try and get it back in debian? or put it directly in Ubuntu?
[21:24] <Laney> is the project really alive again?
[21:24] <tumbleweed> last commit 12 weeks ago...
[21:24] <AlanBell> trunk was last touched 12 weeks ago
[21:25] <AlanBell> the maintainer has ppa packages https://launchpad.net/~jayreding/+archive/ppa
[21:26] <Laney> I'm just sceptical about including something which has been removed before
[21:26] <AlanBell> the 2.0 release was a year ago
[21:27] <AlanBell> it looks to me like development moved from sourceforge to launchpad and debian was waiting for the sourceforge one to be updated
[21:27] <micahg> Laney: we should either update it to 2.0 or drop it from maverick
[21:27] <tumbleweed> Laney: it's currently in maverick, so if an update can save it from deletion, that sound sensible
[21:28] <Laney> micahg: right
[21:28] <AlanBell> http://blogtk.jayreding.com/blog/
[21:28] <tumbleweed> but yes, longer term it should either get back into debian or go away
[21:28] <Laney> tumbleweed: is it? No sense reviving unmaintained stuff
[21:29] <tumbleweed> Laney: depends how unmaintained and how much revival is required
[21:30] <Laney> something which manages to release broken and then remain in that state for a further 3 months doesn't seem particularly maintained to me
[21:30] <AlanBell> at the moment in maverick it is unstartable
[21:30] <Laney> but yes if someone is actually volunteering to take care of it
[21:30] <micahg> the problem is updating to 2.0 is that MOTU or its replacement would be obligated to support it for 18 months even if upstream is dead
[21:30] <Laney> then I'm all for fixing it…
[21:31] <AlanBell> the blog has quite a lot of posts about development updates going back to 2008 on a fairly regular basis
[21:31] <Laney> it's not just upstream, there has to be a distribution maintainer too
[21:32] <tumbleweed> which is a continual problem with MOTU packages that we don't get from debian
[21:32] <Laney> right
[21:32] <Laney> I don't know if you're aware of my views on this. :)
[21:33]  * tumbleweed isn't. but personally I'm impressed by how bad they are whenever I come across one of those
[21:33] <Laney> basically don't do it
[21:34]  * micahg would suggest dropping from maverick, if someone is interested, go through the RFP in Debian, sync to natty and backport
[21:40] <tumbleweed> erk. if any ubuntu-release people are here, please unsubscribe your team from bug 367990
[21:42] <AlanBell> so the RFP is debian bug 551005 and the latest on that in January was that they were waiting for a 2.0.1 release
[21:43] <AlanBell> that being after the 2.0 release from 2009-09-22 I guess means they were not happy with the state of the 2.0
[21:43] <tumbleweed> AlanBell: ask DktrKranz
[21:47] <AlanBell> DktrKranz: we are looking at blogtk which is currently broken in Ubuntu and not in Debian, you mentioned on debian bug 551005 that you were waiting for a 2.0.1 release, is that a blocker for the RFP?
[22:22] <tumbleweed> any core devs? here's a main package that looks good (but listed under unseeded): https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rsalveti/ubuntu/maverick/x-loader/fix-628243/+merge/34325
[23:07] <mario-kemper> Hi there, I am the author of Shutter. Is there anything I can do to get an update of Shutter into maverick? I've already requested an update here: Bug #626704
[23:07] <Laney> mario-kemper: I suggest you mail the Debian maintainer
[23:08] <mario-kemper> Already done - he is not responding currently
[23:10] <mario-kemper> I'll open another bug in the debian bug tracker to get his attention
[23:48] <kklimonda> bah, I like pixelize from 0.86.0 release but at this point it would require a Feature Freeze exception and a good soul to sponsor it ;)
[23:49] <micahg> kklimonda: that's newer than 1.0.0-1?
[23:50] <ScottK> kklimonda: I well reasoned FFe that include "Upstream asked us to update" and a good draft package has a reasonable chance of getting an FFe for Universe.
[23:50] <kklimonda> ScottK: I can probably prepare one then
[23:51] <kklimonda> micahg: what do you mean?
[23:52] <ajmitch> kklimonda: even dapper has pixelize 0.9.2, 1.0.0-1 has been around since karmic
[23:53] <kklimonda> ajmitch: pixelize as in the feature of 0.86.0 release where you can hide parts of screenshot unde.. pixels ;)
[23:53] <kklimonda> I was just checking the changelog of shutter :)
[23:54] <ajmitch> ok, shutter.. you hadn't mentioned the package name, so we assumed that you meant pixelize :)
[23:54] <kklimonda> ajmitch: yeah, I can see that now :)


[01:26] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1173349] plasma-desktop crashes repeatedly since upgrading to 14.04 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1173349 (by abmoraz)
[04:20] <ahoneybun> volkan
[04:21] <ahoneybun> smartboyhw: do you have any tasks I can help with?
[04:22] <smartboyhw> ahoneybun: What what?
[04:39] <ahoneybun> I want to help around Kubuntu
[05:05] <ScottK> ahoneybun: What are you interested in doing?
[08:40] <smartboyhw> Saucy archive open guys, start uploading! \o/
[10:43] <Quintasan> \o
[10:44] <Quintasan> ahoneybun: still there?
[12:21] <Riddell> ahoneybun: lots :)
[12:28] <smartboyhw> Good evening Riddell:)
[12:44] <BluesKaj_> Hey all
[12:49] <volkan> Riddell: hey Jonathan. sorry for being like pushing you a little bit on this, but yesterday we could not finalize our talk. do you have PO files from raring. the quantal ones are not mine and full of errors. if you have them in your archive i will be happy to get them
[12:51] <volkan> and for all: the Synaptiks is not maintained anymore, but why do we keep it in new Kubuntu releases? I cannot even open config dialog since everytime i open it gives an crash message.
[12:54] <PrincessLuna> volkan: Synaptiks works here
[12:58] <Quintasan> volkan: Why do you even try to use it? :P
[12:58] <Quintasan> That said we could try removing it
[13:11] <volkan> Quintasan: i wanted to change my multitouch properties. eg. two-finger tap for middle click and 3-finger for right click
[13:12] <volkan> also disabling while typing e.g
[13:12] <Quintasan> hmmm
[13:12] <doctorpepper> hi guys !
[13:12] <Quintasan> It works here
[13:12] <Quintasan> My favourite drink has arrived
[13:12]  * Quintasan highfives doctorpepper
[13:12] <volkan> i always needed to write a script and make it run at each reboot
[13:13] <volkan> i am using Elan touchpad
[13:15] <doctorpepper> can anyone please help me , i trying to build the new version of the plasma network manager  but  i get  the following error : package 'ModemManagerQt' not found
[13:15] <doctorpepper>
[13:16] <Quintasan> I'm pretty sure we don't have ModemManagerQt doctorpepper
[13:16] <Quintasan> at least not in raring
[13:16] <Quintasan> !info modemmanager raring
[13:17] <doctorpepper> Quintasan: what should i do then ?
[13:17] <Quintasan> The question is why do you want newer version of network manager
[13:19] <doctorpepper> i just want  to have the new  nice gui based on qml cause it uses less space screen space
[13:19] <Quintasan> where did you get the code from?
[13:20] <Quintasan> you probably have to compile modemmanagerqt yourself
[13:23] <BluesKaj_> there is a modem manager in the repos ,installed by default
[13:24] <Quintasan> If you actually read the error message you'd realise he needs something else
[13:24] <Quintasan> As far as I'm concerned there is no binary package containing modemmanagerqt
[13:27] <BluesKaj_> oops misread,  QT eh ? well then nevermind :)
[13:29] <BluesKaj_> persoanlly i always dump network manager and modem manager and the interfaces and resolv.conf files for ethernet , for wifi then NM is useful
[13:30] <BluesKaj_> and use the interfaces filesetc
[13:30]  * BluesKaj_ has another coffee
[13:36] <doctorpepper> Quintasan: i got this from the kde git repos
[13:44] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: I highly recommend the ongoing "The HW - SW interface" course at Coursera
[13:44] <shadeslayer> it's super fun
[13:44] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: https://class.coursera.org/hwswinterface-001
[13:51] <Quintasan> k
[14:04] <ScottK> volkan: Synaptiks is still around due to the lack of a better alternative.
[14:04] <ScottK> yofel: Did you get a chance to look at the crash I pointed you to?
[14:08] <yofel> ScottK: looks like some kind of deserialization issue to me as a config key was removed. If it's just that working around it would be easy. I didn't yet get to reproducing/verifying this though.
[14:09] <ScottK> yofel: I have a different theory ...  I did have this happen once, during upgrade, so I'm wondering if it's the old xinput (or whatever it's called) with the upgraded synaptiks because of upgrade ordering?
[14:10] <Peace-> aaa system settingsy => instat voip=> general => crash
[14:11] <yofel> ScottK: are we still talking about bug 1102032? That can really only happen if you have a config file from -1ubuntu2 and try to open the config dialog using -1ubuntu3
[14:11] <yofel> a config file with the relevant setting actually set I believe
[14:18] <ScottK> yofel: yes.  see http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/269/builds/42840/testcases/1310/results
[14:18] <ScottK> It's weird as there's no circular touchpad on this system anyway.
[14:19] <yofel> nah, the patch from -1ubuntu3 breaks the config API actually. The part that changes the existing keys needs to be reverted
[14:20] <yofel> just managed to reproduce it
[14:20] <ScottK> Excellent.
[14:29] <sadandblue> emacs
[14:29] <sadandblue> arf ><
[14:30] <shadeslayer> yofel: yeah, I experienced that recently as well
[14:30] <Riddell> volkan: it'll be in here http://people.ubuntu.com/~jr/tmp/kubuntu-docs.tar.gz
[14:30] <shadeslayer> but that was when I got up from sleep and noticed that apport wanted to report it, so I sent the relevant logs via apport
[14:30] <yofel> shadeslayer: ditch the config file and you'll be fine, I'll just add some empty keys back
[14:31] <shadeslayer> ah
[14:31] <shadeslayer> my synaptiksrc is empty
[14:32] <yofel> not that one...
[14:32] <yofel> ~/.config/synaptiks/touchpad-config.json
[14:32] <yofel> (don't ask me why they serialize the configuration as json...)
[14:34] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[14:34] <shadeslayer> anyway, time to go and open up Mass Effect 1 \o/
[14:35] <shadeslayer> laters
[14:35] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Did you hear back from upstream on the imap resource crash we were discussing?
[14:35] <shadeslayer> ScottK: nope, All I got was the patch
[14:35] <shadeslayer> I'll ask again on Monday
[14:35] <ScottK> OK.
[14:36] <shadeslayer> I also get my degree on Monday \o/
[14:36] <yofel> ScottK: uploaded to saucy, I'll do the SRU work once I'm sure that this actually works
[14:36] <shadeslayer> *cringe*
[14:36] <ScottK> Excellent.
[14:37] <shadeslayer> someone also started work on the poppler transition
[14:37] <shadeslayer> would be nice to actually narrow down the patch that fixes the Nepomuk issue
[14:37] <volkan> Riddell: thanks :). i got it
[14:37]  * shadeslayer puts it on todo for next weel
[14:37] <shadeslayer> *week
[14:37] <volkan> ScottK: yes i know, but I saw so many bug reports on bugs.kde regarding to synaptics
[14:38] <volkan> and i dont know how to cure it
[14:39] <volkan> Riddell: and as a last issue, the translaion files still dont appear here: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+source/userconfig
[14:42] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Congratulations.
[14:43] <ScottK> volkan: Apparently there's a GSoC application to write a replacement.  Hopefully it gets accepted.
[14:43] <volkan> ScottK: thanks very nice to know! hopefully!
[14:43]  * yofel isn't convinced that we need a *replacement*, a maintainer would be enough...
[14:43] <yofel> then again
[14:44] <yofel> porting it to py3 might require a partial rewrite anyway
[14:45] <ScottK> I took at look at it at the start of the last cycle.  Porting didn't look too hard.
[14:45] <ScottK> But I didn't actually do it.
[14:47] <yofel> I looked at userconfig last cycle a bit, syntax was taken care of by 2to3, but pyQt/pyKDE don't behave the same way in py3 as they do in py2
[14:47] <yofel> so the UI needed fixing to do anything useful
[14:47] <ScottK> Ah.  I didn't look at that part.
[14:47] <ScottK> I'd say wait to see about the GSoC project before investing time on it.
[14:48] <ScottK> Moving from jockey to ubuntu-drivers is something we defintely need to do.
[14:48] <maco> have there been any kwallet bug reports lately?
[14:49] <maco> since i rebooted 2 days ago, my wallet immediately relocks as soon as i unlock it, so kmail & the network manager are having freakouts
[14:51] <ScottK> maco: First I've heard of it and I have kwallet ask me everytime for stuff, so I'd definitely notice.
[14:51] <ScottK> Re jockey, we're the last user of it.
[14:51] <maco> ...291 updates. nevermind. i'll ask again later. if it's still around after those.
[14:53] <maco> ScottK: i have it set to "allow always" so having it suddenly just keep asking over and over is weird
[14:54] <ScottK> Weird.
[16:20] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Now that I think about, we don't have x86 assembly, it's just MIPS assembly
[18:11] <BluesKaj> I see adam conrad has left a link for open development of "13.10 saucy salamander " , another silly name for ubuntu ...gawd when are they gonna learn :P
[18:34] <ScottK> BluesKaj: It's Mark Shuttleworth that picks.
[18:34] <ScottK> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1252
[18:39] <BluesKaj> ScottK, yeah , I'm aware, but being a smart linux OS developer doesn't mean he has the creativity choose names that names that will give the OS the respect it deserves , it's a misplaced dumbing down choice IMO.
[18:39] <ScottK> Yes, but it is what it is, not much point in kvetching about it.
[18:39]  * BluesKaj I"m olsd so I'm allowed to repeat myself :)
[18:40] <ScottK> Unlikely
[18:41] <BluesKaj> It's unlikely that I'm old ? ok thanks for the compliment :)
[18:42] <ScottK> Well, it's unlikely you're old from my perspective.
[18:43] <BluesKaj> some days I don't feel it , those good ones
[18:43] <BluesKaj> are
[18:44] <BluesKaj> looking forward to testing 13.10 though
[18:45] <debfx> at least the codename is not beefy-miracle bad
[18:45] <BluesKaj> heh
[18:48] <BluesKaj> ok , going to install 13.04  to / on the other partition and go from there
[19:00] <ScottK> OK, now I looked at your LP profile pic.  You have a shot as being as old as I am ....
[19:08] <BluesKaj> that photo is taken around 2004 , ScottK
[19:12] <BluesKaj> ok , bbiab
[20:24] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: oh I see
[21:07] <BluesKaj> ok ready for the 13.10 repos  when they're aavilable ..test platform ready to rumble
[21:29] <yofel> the archive is already open
[22:29] <Riddell> how much merging is needed from debian this time?
[23:32] <yofel> Riddell: preferably all of KDE, we last merged at 4.8
[23:33] <yofel> actually merging 4.10.2 right now would be easiest as debian has that already done
[23:43] <Riddell> yep, merge everything to experimental
[23:44] <Riddell> easy... shouldn't take long at all
[23:54] <yofel> :D