[00:34] <bluesabre> ali1234: seems to be compatible enough to debian's armhf (at least so far)
[00:35] <bluesabre> currently repackaging glibc, so we'll see how much that stays true :D
[03:07] <Unit193> ...I did a merge of libxfce4ui, I have no idea where it went...
[03:12] <Unit193> Found it!
[03:12] <Unit193> ....I pushed it to my repo, which doesn't accept source-only uploads.    I think dput would reject that.)
[04:15] <Unit193> bluesabre: It's basically done, just waiting for thunar to have a new release then will update xfdesktop4 there too.  Other than that, it'd just be -settings and -session missing.
[04:15] <Unit193> -ish
[08:47] <Spass[m]> Unit193: what do you think about adding thunar-archive-plugin 0.4.0 to the QA Staging for bionic?
[08:47] <Unit193> "It's not there already"?
[08:47] <Unit193> Err, "It's not there already?"
[08:49] <Spass[m]> in my case I had to install it manually from the DEB from disco
[08:50] <Spass[m]> because I've noticed that "Extract here" menu entry disappeared
[08:50] <Unit193> You asked what I thought, I told you what I thought.  I also backported it just now.
[08:51] <Spass[m]> heh, I see :) awesome, thanks!
[08:52] <Unit193> Let me know if you run into any more, but you shouldn't.
[08:53] <Unit193> (I know of a couple panel plugins that are gtk2, but they've since been removed from the archive and are long dead, so I have zero interest in supporting them.)
[08:54] <Spass[m]> ok will do, but so far that was the only small hiccup I had, other than that everything works great
[09:37] <bluesabre> Unit193: awesome thanks!
[09:49] <Unit193> bluesabre: So, catfish? :P
[09:49] <bluesabre> Unit193: yeah, waiting until this weekend for that one (pushed a bunch of translation changes last weekend)
[09:50] <bluesabre> And there was a debian bug I "fixed" in the previous release that I apparently forgot to push anything but the changelog for
[09:53] <Unit193> Hah, well I was just poking about the packaging.  Also, either the new -screensaver or -power-manager is blanking the screen after a couple minutes when I open the lid and unlock.  This happens when in the middle of typing or whatnot...
[09:57] <bluesabre> That's not good
[10:00] <bluesabre> Unit193: you can try setting the blank screen settings in the screensaver to some super high number to see if it might be to blame, though it's timer is only supposed to run while/after the screen is locked
[11:02] <bluesabre> Unit193: curious, do you know if debian and ubuntu have arch-specific build farms or is everything cross-compiled?
[11:02] <Unit193> Native or does a VM count?
[11:02] <Unit193> Faaaarms.
[11:03] <bluesabre> :D
[11:04] <Unit193> https://db.debian.org/machines.cgi see this for example.  Why do you ask?
[11:04] <bluesabre> Neat. Was just curious really.
[11:06] <Unit193> Porterbox == ssh, schroot, testbuild!  I used a porterbox to test a patch that was supposed to fix ftbfs on mips or something crazy like that.
[11:06] <Unit193> (Audacity)
[18:20] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::platform:: fwupdate-signed -> fwupd-signed (LP: #1841744) @ http://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform/commit/?id=205a3d172f721e6a5ce76723a4cd0e4437a4d8c3 (by Mario Limonciello)


[17:06] <whut> Yes, I did. People there usually have problems with Web-page fonts and most of the hits in Google are about that issue.
[17:06] <shadeslayer> they had a theme there,which made FF3 fonts really good
[17:06] <xp-killer> in konqueror there this google space where to type stuff in it how do i stop it from bring up history or thing i never type its very anoying to type my things without it bringin up all types of stuff
[17:06] <syockit> whut: check gtk apps settings in System Settings>Appearance
[17:06] <afeijo> another question, how can I monitor my home pc CPU temp thru ssh?
[17:07] <blahjake> afeijo: sensors
[17:07] <guraltsev> whut: how small? What I did was this: installed gtk-qt-engine, msttcorefonts (this one contains windows fonts), and gtk2-engines-qtcurve, then I looked up the font settings of firefox in windows and set them in linux accordingly
[17:07] <andrer> which one is better, kubuntu-experimental (for using kde 4.2) or project neon (kde-nightly)?  nightly has been working almost fine, but msn support is trash
[17:08] <xp-killer> in konqueror there this google space where to type stuff in it how do i stop it from bring up history or thing i never type its very anoying to type my things without it bringin up all types of stuff
[17:08] <whut> guraltsev: Thanks!
[17:09] <guraltsev> whut: If you do not want to restart I can tell ou my font settings or you can play with them
[17:09] <afeijo> blahjake: thanks! I ran sensors-detect, it updated my /etc/modules
[17:09] <afeijo> do I need to reboot?
[17:09] <syockit> guraltsev: try enabling this repository https://launchpad.net/~intel-gfx-testing/+archive/ppa
[17:09] <whut> guraltsev: I do it on my second machine, so please tell me what settings do you have. =)
[17:10] <syockit> guraltsev: well I suppose you don't know how to, wait I'll get a howto
[17:10] <guraltsev> syockit: I do know
[17:10] <guraltsev> no problem
[17:10] <blahjake> afeijo: no, just sudo modprobe the listed drivers
[17:10] <guraltsev> wait a sec
[17:10] <syockit> guraltsev: good. try that repo
[17:10] <syockit> only 2 packages to install
[17:11] <afeijo> blahjake: wow, nice!! :)
[17:13] <brendan__> woot
[17:13] <afeijo> my CPU temp is core 0: 50, core 1: 51.  Nice, I was worried as its summer here, pretty hot weather
[17:13] <syockit> xp-killer: I don't know how to disable, but that thing is called "search suggestions" fyi
[17:13] <afeijo> board temp: 44 ºC
[17:14] <brendan__> Head temp 100ºC
[17:14] <imps> 100 C for your cpu temp?!
[17:14] <afeijo> lol
[17:15] <afeijo> you can cook there
[17:15] <brendan__> lol, cooking eggs on my head
[17:15] <imps> I get unstable over 68 c..
[17:15] <brendan__> my gfx card 68 and comp is 46
[17:15] <brendan__> cool
[17:15] <xp-killer> syockit: but anoying when i forgot to add something im adding it and its going back to the end: ex:  house (i forgot to put my) i going put my it does house my :s
[17:15] <xp-killer> its ver haracing
[17:22] <whut> I cannot upgrade to KDE 4.2 as per press release.
[17:22] <whut> apt-get somehow preserves old packages.
[17:22] <whut> The following packages have been kept back:
[17:23] <whut> And lists all the KDE4 packages.
[17:25] <oobe> i found a small thing on a thing and then i lost it
[17:25] <Pici> okay?
[17:26] <guraltsev> whut: in Firefox preferences in the content section I have the following font settings: fonts and colors: default font: times new roman size:16
[17:26] <guraltsev> in the advanced section
[17:26] <whut> Thanks!
[17:27] <guraltsev> whut: fonts for: western: proportional: Serif size 16,   and Monospace: Courier New size 13
[17:30] <JuJuBee> I need to get a new laptop.   I need to be able to use dual head config and have decent graphics/processor .  Can someone make suggestion?  There is sooooo much out there, hard to pick.
[17:30] <anthrax> !list
[17:30] <draik> I added a new hard drive, but it does not appear to show up in /media
[17:30] <draik> It is a new 1TB hdd.
[17:30] <anthrax> Malika Ayane
[17:31] <draik> Can Kubuntu Intrepid Ibex read the 1TB HDD?
[17:31] <JuJuBee> What graphics adapter should I get? I assume nVidia?
[17:32] <shadeslayer> JuJuBee youre discussing hardware here??
[17:32] <JuJuBee> Does't everyone here us kubuntu?
[17:32] <guraltsev> syockit: Hey, ok I enabled it
[17:32] <JuJuBee> or at least most...
[17:32] <shadeslayer> yes
[17:32] <shadeslayer> am i missing something??
[17:32] <JuJuBee> Why not ask those that use it what they use?
[17:33] <shadeslayer> well i use a XPS with kubuntu
[17:33] <Pici> Because hardware is offtopic for here. Try #kubuntu-offtopic, #ubuntu-offtopic or ##hardware.
[17:33] <syockit> guraltsev: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install libdrm xserver-xorg-video-intel
[17:33] <draik> If anyone has an answer to my 1TB HDD, you can PM me, I have to step away for about 10-15 minutes.
[17:33] <JuJuBee> Pici : is ##hardware kubuntu/ubuntu specific?
[17:33] <Pici> JuJuBee: nope.
[17:33] <shadeslayer> its general hardware
[17:34] <shadeslayer> but no problems in asking there,Hardware is not OS specific
[17:34] <JuJuBee> I am just sick to death of my ATI problems I need to change.
[17:34] <JuJuBee> Thought here would be a good place.  Sry.
[17:35] <genii-around> Well, some hardware is OS specific, like winmodems. But generaly not.
[17:36] <BluesKaj> JuJuBee , I finally gave up on ATI and installed nvidia 7600GT that I bought from a friend...it works well
[17:36] <lum_sais> are ATI drivers so hard to install/configure ?
[17:36]  * genii-around mails BluesKaj the missing cable
[17:37] <BluesKaj> genii-around, no rush :)
[17:37] <genii-around> :)
[17:37] <JuJuBee> BluesKaj: looking for laptop  Heard some of the new(er) nVidia's had problems?
[17:37] <BluesKaj> oh , din't know that
[17:38] <guraltsev> syockit: Ok, I managed to install some things. Now I will restart and see what comes ofit
[17:39] <BluesKaj> JuJuBee , I bought a new laptop for travelling , with nvidia onboard . Works fine with kubuntu live-cd  . I don't dare dump vista due to wifey's addiction to windows.
[17:39] <syockit> guraltsev: good luck!
[17:39] <lum_sais> JuJuBee :  I am debian and kubuntu user, currently on a vaio laptop with nvidia GT... and I ve always been able to install nvidia drivers (plus kubuntu makes it really easy)
[17:39] <altrortla> hello to everybody
[17:40] <White_Pelican> greetings human hehe
[17:42] <genii-around> JuJuBee: Whatever video card you get, make sure to steer away from UniChromes
[17:46] <draik> Can Ibex see a 1TB hard drive? I have it connected via sata on an expansion card. Doesn't see it.
[17:47] <genii-around> draik: Yup.
[17:48] <guraltsev> syockit: Well, thanks! It started working much better. Still some minor problems but now I will try doing some research into this. Thanks a lot
[17:48] <genii-around> draik: Sounds more like a driver/module issue for whatever the expansion card uses
[17:48] <White_Pelican> draik, we have an external 1 TB on hardy and it works fine
[17:48] <draik> genii-around: How can I check it?
[17:49] <draik> White_Pelican: Mine is internal, if it matters.
[17:49] <genii-around> draik: If you do: lspci -nn                 and then note the line containing the description of the sata expansion card, will be easier to google for what driver it uses, etc. The 0000:0000   part is vendor:device   which can be extremely useful.
[17:50] <draik> The previous HDD (currently in use) has XP and Ibex, partitioned. I used Norton Ghost to copy the Ibex to the new 1TB. 500GB partitioned HDD will be all XP and 1TB to Kubuntu (end result).
[17:52] <draik> I don't really have anything listed for the card, just what is already onboard the MoBo.
[17:52] <draik> 00:0b.0 RAID bus controller [0104]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6421 IDE RAID Controller [1106:3249] (rev 50)
[17:52] <draik> 00:0f.0 RAID bus controller [0104]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA VT6420 SATA RAID Controller [1106:3149] (rev 80)
[17:52] <draik> !pastebin
[17:53] <genii-around> draik: Is it a pci card?
[17:53] <draik> http://paste.ubuntu.com/117752/
[17:54] <draik> Yes, it is a PCI card
[17:54] <White_Pelican> does anyone know if there is an audio program that has all the features and then some of audacity?
[17:55] <genii-around> draik: Hmm. Nothing too enlightening there. Could be it can't find an interrupt or something similar. Can you pastebin dmesg ?
[17:59] <whut> What's OpenOffice repository's address for Kubuntu?
[18:00] <draik_> genii-around: Desktop just froze on me.
[18:00] <draik_> I have nothing after I posted my pastebin
[18:01] <genii-around> draik_: Weird. Maybe that unseen addon controller is causing some grief
[18:01] <draik_> genii-around: There is a message during the boot about using RAID
[18:01] <draik_> I don't want RAID
[18:02] <draik_> I'm going to work on GRUB right now, see if I can't set it differently
[18:03] <genii-around> draik_: You may need the ahci driver, this happened to me on a board with ICH10 chipset
[18:03] <genii-around> Work requires me, AFK 3-5 minutes
[18:03] <draik_> Thanks
[18:04] <_gunni_> whut: Do you mean OOo2 or Ooo3 ?
[18:04] <whut> OOo3
[18:05] <_gunni_> Whut: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu intrepid main
[18:05] <whut> Thanks.
[18:07] <draik_> Please do not use DPROM to use RAID in Linux
[18:07] <blackflag> !ntp server
[18:07] <blackflag> !ntp
[18:08] <whut> _gunni_: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu/dists/interpid/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[18:16] <Xeina> salu
[18:18] <draik> genii-around: I have done the dmesg (pulled the log and saw your request.
[18:18] <draik> Here you go, genii-around:   http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m44a6cddd
[18:18] <Xeina>  /nick Xeina233
[18:18] <Xeina>  /nick Sacha
[18:20] <genii-around> draik: Back. Reading your paste ... about the DPROM error I have no idea
[18:24] <BluesKaj> interesting , I get the same message : "Phoenix BIOS detected: BIOS may corrupt low RAM, working it around."
[18:27]  * kenami is away: Ausente por ahora.
[18:27] <genii-around> draik: 378. [    4.130689] ata2: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 310)                  seems to indicate some error possibly related to this.
[18:28] <draik> genii-around: What would be the cause?
[18:30] <saifin> hye
[18:30] <genii-around> draik: Still looking at dmesg
[18:30] <saifin> im new hear
[18:30] <saifin> here*
[18:30] <draik> !welcome | saifin
[18:30] <saifin> how to start learning KDE command line
[18:32] <draik> saifin: This is a good start... http://www.google.com/search?hl=xx-hacker&q=common+linux+commands&btnG=Google+s3a|2ch
[18:33] <draik> Disregard, link got cut off at the end.
[18:33] <draik> Let me cut it
[18:33] <saifin> ahaks
[18:33] <draik> Here you go
[18:33] <draik> http://tinyurl.com/awa6a8
[18:33] <saifin> thans draik
[18:33] <draik> No problem.
[18:34] <draik> genii-around: Sorry to cut this short, but I have to go to the DMV, plates are due by tomorrow (sadistic irony, if you ask me).
[18:34] <genii-around> draik: As far as I can tell, your adapter card is not being seen on a hardware level.
[18:35] <draik> It's weird. I guess I'll have to look into alternatives or a new SATA card :(
[18:35] <draik> I just bought the card yesterday, too.
[18:35] <draik> Oh well.
[18:35] <draik> I'll be back and troubleshoot some more. At least now I know more about the issue.
[18:36] <whut> Having updated to KDE 4.2 I cannot input in KDE applications and don't see any window "frames" or controls within them. How can I fix this?
[18:39] <evanderv> Hi guys have a problem just can't figure out.  My printer applet loads up as a menu bar at the top of my screen and I can't get it to go to the system tray
[18:39] <evanderv> any ideas
[18:45] <blackflag> !nis
[18:54] <jeison> j
[18:54] <jeison> hola
[19:05] <altrortla> oh buddy my lan make crazy
[19:09] <jeison_> hii
[19:09] <jeison_> holaa
[19:10] <altrortla> ok i have a LAN in whitch a XP pro PC have the internet connection... this is given to the other PC trought a switch ... to several Kubuntu, Xp Pro, and XP Home PC .... I have also a Kubuntu Notebook that is attached to the XP Home PC by a cross Cable... This notebook sometimes is on LAN ... sometimes is OFF LAN ... I'm very annoyed Somebody can help ME??
[19:10] <altrortla> sorry for my english
[19:10] <jeison_> hey i have a new wifi moddem
[19:11] <altrortla> nope
[19:11] <jeison_> why some web pages doesnt wor in my new wifi conwection?
[19:12] <Adola> altrortla: You might want to try #windows
[19:12] <Adola> They would prolly be able to hlep more.
[19:12] <altrortla> but is a kubuntu
[19:12] <altrortla> Adola: Ok I'll try
[19:12] <jeison_> try to conect trough IP adress
[19:17] <altrortla> strange things is that i give to notebook dhpc setting... with arrow on connection manager it have <IP_ADDRESS> gateway <IP_ADDRESS> broadcast <IP_ADDRESS> ... but if i click on connection manager it have dhpc setted and so no interface no ip no address
[19:17] <altrortla> azz
[19:18] <altrortla> if i try to set it manually sometimes it give me connection ... but more times it won't give
[19:26] <JackWinter_> how do i see what the libpath is ?
[19:27] <JackWinter_> or maybe a better phrased question.  does kubuntu search /usr/local/lib by default ?
[19:39] <compilerwriter> Ladies and Gents I thought I had gound a way to sync my Blackberry 8310 with Kontact until I went about trying to install opensync and some packages were broken or had no install cantidates.  Has anyone successfully done this with Intrepid?
[19:42] <saifin> hello
[19:42] <saifin> sorry for the noob question
[19:42] <saifin> how to install flash player for konqueror
[19:42] <saifin> i have installed it before
[19:43] <saifin> but when open youtube no sound and the movie is not loaded
[19:48] <MonsieurY> hello i want to intall kde 4.2 to my ubuntu 8.04 any repositories for me ? thanks
[19:49] <syockit> MonsieurY: sorry no working repos anymore
[19:49] <MonsieurY> ?
[19:49] <MonsieurY> serious ?
[19:49] <syockit> MonsieurY: they seem to have deleted every last of them
[19:50] <MonsieurY> why any idea?
[19:50] <MonsieurY> its astonishing :O
[19:50] <syockit> MonsieurY: I've checked project neon, and it's not there. it used to be there for hardy
[19:50] <syockit> now it's only intrepid
[19:50] <syockit> and of course, the kubuntu-experimental is also intrepid-only
[19:50] <MonsieurY> very ungry, I want to test it...
[19:51] <syockit> but you can install 4.1, iirc
[19:51] <MonsieurY> yeah I have kde 4.1
[19:51] <MonsieurY> but 4.2 is improved
[19:51] <MonsieurY> :)
[19:52] <syockit> because kde4.2 depends on many new things, which aren't available on hardy
[19:52] <MonsieurY> ok thanks a lot for your response, try to install 8.10 or other os white kde 4.2
[19:53] <MonsieurY> bye
[19:57] <inzi> helooo everyone
[19:58] <mossgix> hello
[19:58] <inzi> i have a question.. isit better to install the nvidia driver from the official website or the restricted driver
[19:59] <giarca> inzi: when you talk about official website you mean nvidia.com or so?
[20:00] <mossgix> i've encountered some problems when i've installed drivers from nvidia.com
[20:01] <Pici> inzi: The restricted driver is the driver from nvidia.com, but it may not be the latest version.
[20:01] <mossgix> specially when upgraded the kernel
[20:01] <mossgix> instead with drivers from kubuntu it's simply perfect
[20:01] <giarca> I had no problem with the driver in kubuntu's repositories. Works like a charm.
[20:02] <giarca> exactly the same for me mossgix
[20:02] <dougl> how do I make applications start on specific desktops from the command line? ie xchat on desktop 2 I would do what at bash promt on desktop 1?
[20:03] <mossgix> i think restricted drivers are radicated in the installed kernel
[20:03] <mossgix> if you get an upgrade they crash
[20:04] <inzi> yah i mean nvidia.com
[20:04] <giarca> inzi: both me and mossgix had no problem with kubuntu's choice
[20:05] <inzi> hmmm
[20:05] <giarca> i have nvidia-180 now and zero issue since now ;)
[20:05] <mossgix> inzi: kubuntu version?
[20:05] <inzi> i have some video glitches
[20:05] <inzi> thats why i was wondering.
[20:05] <inzi> kubuntu 4.1
[20:05] <inzi> 8.10
[20:05] <mossgix> hum ok
[20:06] <inzi> giarca.. nvidia-180 from official website
[20:06] <inzi> ?
[20:06] <mossgix> i'm on jaunty, using nvidia 180 from repos
[20:06] <inzi> ic
[20:06] <giarca> inzi: no, from repo
[20:06] <inzi> ahh.. from the repo..
[20:06] <inzi> hmmm
[20:06] <giarca> i'm on intrepid - geforce 6150 - nvidia-180 from repo and no problem
[20:07] <inzi> hha i guess i could just give it a shot and then. see if things get messed up
[20:07] <giarca> i guess too
[20:07] <inzi> do anyone of u. have small video glitches..for eg: when u click on "K" the menu come up.but just befor that there is a small black distorted piece
[20:08] <mossgix> humm
[20:08] <inzi> and sumtimes.. kubuntu doesn't shutdown for me..
[20:08] <inzi> sometimes..
[20:09] <mossgix> i'm not... i've some graphics problems but they are probably because i'm on jaunty
[20:09] <inzi> any idea why mossgix
[20:09] <inzi> ic
[20:09] <saifin> hello
[20:09] <giarca> inzi: you are using the best resolution of your monitor?
[20:09] <inzi> yup
[20:09] <giarca> *are you
[20:10] <evanderv> Hi guys have a problem just can't figure out.  My printer applet loads up as a menu bar at the top of my screen and I can't get it to go to the system tray
[20:10] <inzi> 1440*900
[20:10] <giarca> sorry for my bad english :P
[20:10] <saifin> why no sound on youtube?
[20:10] <slow-motion> hi
[20:10] <inzi> hi
[20:11] <giarca> inzi: but you have now some nvidia driver loaded?
[20:12] <giarca> because the glitch just before the raise of menu could be a cpu spike to compile the graphic... ?
[20:12] <inzi> oh
[20:12] <inzi> isit
[20:12] <inzi> hmmm
[20:12] <inzi> i have the nvidia driver loaded now..
[20:12] <inzi> hmm
[20:12] <inzi> cpu spike eh
[20:12] <giarca> it's loaded by the modules?
[20:12] <giarca> lsmod
[20:13] <inzi> ya
[20:13] <inzi> oh.. does the knetworkmanager work for u with manually assigned Ip?
[20:13] <giarca> after the installation do you reboot?
[20:14] <inzi> it didn't work for me.. i had to remove it and then edit the network/interfaces
[20:14] <giarca> mmm I guess so if you have the modules loaded...
[20:14] <inzi> well it is working fine for me at the moment..
[20:14] <inzi> occasionaly a small. distortion..
[20:14] <giarca> inzi: don't know... my 2cents is to try the latest from repo
[20:16] <inzi> ic..
[20:16] <inzi> hm ok.
[20:16] <inzi> thanks
[20:16] <giarca> :)
[20:16] <inzi> well i did some updates and then the glitches reduced..
[20:16] <inzi> thanks again for ur help
[20:16] <giarca> inzi: no problem! :)
[20:16] <inzi> are you using kde 4.2 giarca?
[20:16] <giarca> yes
[20:17] <giarca> from launchpad experimental repository
[20:17] <failers> anyone got a tutorial on how to install kdevelop 4 alpha 1 on kubuntu 8.10 with kde 4.2 ?
[20:18] <inzi> i'm sorry failers.. i am new to linux myself.. i don't know how to do it
[20:18] <inzi> giarca..how is 4.2 so far..
[20:19] <giarca> I don't know if it's real but it seems fast
[20:19] <giarca> more than 4.1.4
[20:19] <astromme> failers: You should use Beta1
[20:19] <inzi> ic
[20:19] <astromme> I'm a big fan of 4.2
[20:19] <inzi> oh..
[20:19] <inzi> 4.2 is that good eh
[20:19] <astromme> And I've been with the 4 series since before 4.0 was released
[20:19] <giarca> and it's good about stability
[20:19] <torero> !ru
[20:19] <giarca> no crash
[20:20] <giarca> two-three application crash total
[20:20] <giarca> inzi: yes, it's good.
[20:20] <giarca> :)
[20:20] <inzi> ahhh
[20:20] <failers> astromme: thats the one i meant sorru
[20:20] <failers> *sorry :P
[20:20] <inzi> i shall wait a bit longer for a stable release.. then intsall it.
[20:20] <astromme> failers: one moment
[20:20] <inzi> *install it
[20:20] <inzi> haha..
[20:21] <inzi> i switched to linux a few months ago.. was using ubuntu for sometime.. then stepped on to kubuntu.. haha. love the eye Candy
[20:21] <inzi> haha
[20:21] <giarca> me too
[20:21] <astromme> Check out this page: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-experimental/+archive/ppa
[20:21] <astromme> whoops, failers, the above was for you
[20:21] <giarca> I agree to wait little longer
[20:22] <inzi> yup..
[20:22] <astromme> failers: Add the repository as it shows, apt-get update, install kdevelop-kde4 then remove the repository
[20:22] <inzi> the kubuntu developers sure put alot of work in to wat they are doing
[20:22] <whut> !fglrx
[20:23] <inzi> oh btw.. giarca.. do u know why Amarok keeps trying to unmount my drives evertime i quit it
[20:23] <failers> astromme: oki thx
[20:23] <whut> How do I install fglrx driver?
[20:23] <whut> This page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI has nothing to say about 8.10
[20:24] <astromme> failers: If you need help actually using it, ask me again, I've used it for the past 4 months and have some experience
[20:24] <Pici> whut: from KDE, use jockey-kde
[20:24] <inzi> whut... go applications > system > package manager
[20:24] <inzi> search for it there..
[20:24] <giarca> inzi: sorry i dont' understand... who quit the driver? you? and amarok try to unmount but it's just unmounted?
[20:25] <whut> Pici: Yes?
[20:25] <whut> Pici: I'm in.
[20:25] <inzi> giarca, amarok trys to unmount the driver.. it asks for confirmation to unmount it
[20:25] <Pici> whut: That should list whatever restricted drivers are available for your system. Such as fglrx
[20:26] <giarca> inzi: could be an option set in amarok preferences?
[20:26] <whut> And it would install it automatically?
[20:26] <inzi> i looked for it. but nothing there
[20:26] <inzi> hmmm.. i'll have to investigate it a bit..
[20:27] <giarca> inzi: I think so because I don't know :P
[20:28] <inzi> thanks giarca..
[20:28] <inzi> much appreciated for ur help
[20:28] <inzi> take care
[20:28] <Pici> whut: Yes.
[20:28] <inzi> c u around..
[20:28] <giarca> please to help you :)
[20:29] <compilerwriter> anyone having any luck getting a Blackberry Curve to sync with Ibex?
[20:44] <whut> Pici: It cannot download the driver, stuck at 0 %
[20:45] <ScorpKing> i want to make a usplash theme with animations in it but i can't think of something that will look nice. any ideas?
[20:46] <whut> Pici: Ow, sorry, it just has a weird % calculation.
[20:47] <oobe> ScorpKing, isnt that a matter of taste
[20:47] <ScorpKing> oobe: indeed but i'm bored and feel like making a usplash theme. would you like one? ;)
[20:48] <oobe> yeah let me think of somthing
[20:49] <oobe> ScorpKing, what about dwight shrute from the office
[20:49] <i3ooi3oo> I have a LPR printer on the network How can I add it
[20:50] <ScorpKing> oobe: hehe..
[20:51] <oobe> you like that idea
[20:52] <ScorpKing> lets go to #kubuntu-offtopic
[20:53] <ScorpKing> oobe: you going to ot?
[21:03] <HydraIRC> hello, would need some help, upgraded to kde 4.2 and now after the login screen the keyboard no longer works, it works in the console ctlr+alt+f1 but not otherwise
[21:09] <sourcemaker> is there a DJ software for linux? So that I can create my own live mix from different mp3 files... editing ... etc...?
[21:09] <whut> Google Earth won't start - it begins initializing and then nothing happens.
[21:10] <genii-around> sourcemaker: dbmix, djplay
[21:12] <sourcemaker> genii-around: Damm small... install in progress.... :-) THX
[21:12] <powergoal> I want to reinstall knetworkmanager but im afraid that if i uninstall with adept and then try to install iw ont have an internet connection.  does adept have a "reinstall" option?
[21:13] <genii-around> sourcemaker: np. You may also find other stuff if you search the packages with apt-cache search
[21:14] <sourcemaker> genii-around: it's the linux most problem... there are to many apps doing more or less the same... instead of one powerful app :-)
[21:16] <phyrrus> http://phyrrus.net
[21:16] <xain> Could someone tell me how to get taskbar transparency in KDE 3?
[21:16] <phyrrus> somebody tell me how to use bash
[21:17] <powergoal> phyrrus: hah.  what do you want to do with it?
[21:17] <phyrrus> um... like the same as batch, what extention do u save it as?
[21:17] <powergoal> phyrrus: sh
[21:17] <phyrrus> ?
[21:17] <phyrrus> .sh
[21:17] <phyrrus> thats it?
[21:17] <powergoal> yeah... file.sh
[21:18] <phyrrus> oh, thanks now can i have the ipconfig command?
[21:18] <powergoal> phyrrus: ipconfig?  like, how do you assign an ip? or is that a program?  I don't have it if it is
[21:19] <phyrrus> lol, in windows you type ipconfig and it tells you your current IP address and DNS
[21:20] <powergoal> phyrrus: ifconfig :)
[21:20] <powergoal> is that what you wanted?
[21:20] <phyrrus> 1 min
[21:21] <phyrrus> phyrrus@ubuntu:~$ ipconfig
[21:21] <genii-around> sourcemaker: Maybe check http://www.ultramixer.com/index.php?cn=products&c2=ultramixer  they have Linux versions, and a free one to use as well.
[21:21] <phyrrus> bash: ipconfig: command not found
[21:21] <phyrrus> phyrrus@ubuntu:~$
[21:21] <phyrrus> phyrrus@ubuntu:~$
[21:21] <phyrrus> ok
[21:21] <powergoal> phyrrus: ifconfig
[21:21] <powergoal> phyrrus: not ipconfig
[21:21] <phyrrus> oh
[21:21] <sourcemaker> thx
[21:21] <genii-around> phyrrus: Please don't paste everything into this channel.
[21:22] <phyrrus> ok, thanks
[21:25] <phyrrus> http://phyrrus.net
[21:25] <phyrrus> http://phyrrus.net
[21:25] <genii-around> phyrrus: Please don't paste everything into this channel.
[21:26] <phyrrus> ?
[21:26] <phyrrus> u from the ubuntu chan?
[21:26] <genii-around> phyrrus: I'm in a lot of channels
[21:26] <phyrrus> oh, click it
[21:26] <genii-around> phyrrus: This channel is for support of kubuntu.
[21:27] <http> quit
[21:27]  * genii-around sips
[21:29] <sofit> hey
[21:31] <sofit> im having trouble with KNetworkManager under Kubuntu 8.10, it always seems to mark my interface as 'disconnected', even though I've configured it with a static IP address
[21:32] <sofit> (not to say I'm currently using my interface.... as you can see)
[21:34] <sofit> any ideas ?
[21:36] <Lowvolta> canal
[22:03] <sourcemaker> how can I remove a broken package from apt? I tried to install koffice... but now i receive the error message: missing dependencies...
[22:03] <sourcemaker> apt-get remove does not work... it always tries to install the fuc.... package... damm
[22:04] <maco> where do i find out what gesture is set for slow keys in kubuntu in jaunty?
[22:04] <bindaas> apt-get purge package_name
[22:06] <bindaas> after purging you can do apt-get autoremove
[22:06] <sourcemaker> bindaas: solved...
[22:07] <bindaas> sourcemaker: good good
[22:12] <wildbat> ha ~ nice name bindass ~ but where it bind to? XD
[22:12] <hubar> err why should the stalking of one nautilus window, forbid me to operate(or even open a new)nautilus window...
[22:14] <maco> hubar: stalking?
[22:15] <hubar> maco, I meant stalling.
[22:18] <maco> where do i find out what gesture is set for slow keys in kubuntu in jaunty?
[22:23] <steven_> hey guys...have a weird question...just upgraded to 8.10 and for some reason every now and again, the computer logs out of its session says something about chanding the power settings then logs back in with all programs closed
[22:23] <steven_> oh and the question is....any1 have an idea?
[22:27] <bindaas> steven_: looks like power manager setting needs to be configured
[22:28] <steven_> ooh..ok how do i do that?
[22:28] <a> hi
[22:28] <steven_> ive used ubuntu gnome for ages..dont really know wats going on in this new kde setup yet
[22:29] <steven_> well i know wats going on...just dont know where anything is
[22:30] <maco> steven_: in system settings, go to advanced
[22:30] <maco> steven_: its in there
[22:30] <steven_> thanks maco
[22:31] <a> hi
[22:32] <steven_> maco..not much there...under solid settings there is something bout power management..but cant change anything
[22:33] <a> hi
[22:33] <a> how i change my nick name please?
[22:33] <maco> steven_: cant change anything
[22:33] <maco>  /nick newnick
[22:33] <a> hi
[22:33] <maco> a ^
[22:33] <Obituary> ok
[22:34] <Obituary> thanks
[22:34] <Obituary> i am quite new in kubuntu
[22:34] <Obituary> and my games doesnt seem to work
[22:34] <maco> steven_: in power management you see "edit profiles"?
[22:34] <Obituary> yes i have, thanks
[22:35] <Obituary> where are you all from
[22:35] <steven_> maca: cant see that no
[22:37] <steven_> all i have under advanced/solid settings/ power manangement is HAL Power with no edit profile anywhere
[22:37] <Obituary> steve how are you
[22:40] <maco> steven_: oh. this must be one of those things that changed for jaunty
[22:40] <maco> steven_: i dont know how to do it in intrepid
[22:40] <steven_> maco: jaunty is the next release?
[22:43] <wildbat_> anyone know about autofs? i can't seem to get autosmb working
[22:45] <xain> How do i change the X modifier mapping for the left alt key?
[22:48] <maco> steven_: yes
[22:49] <steven_> maco: is it stable enough for an upgrade yet? and how do i do the updgrade?
[22:52] <xain> Can someone tell me how to change the Xmodifier for the left Alt-key to the right-Alt key?
[23:20] <wildbat> anyone one know where do i change locale setting ?
[23:26] <Fernandooo> hola
[23:26] <Fernandooo> #kubuntu-es
[23:26] <Fernandooo> oopps
[23:28]  * kenami is back.
[23:32] <xain> Is there any way i can change teh key binding from left-alt to the right-alt key?
[23:38] <fritzIsOnline> hi all
[23:38] <fritzIsOnline> my primary disc is full so i tried to give another path from another partition to use as a download folder, so the permission stuff comes up.
[23:38] <fritzIsOnline>  i don't wanna start ktorrent with sudo initial, it's not convinient nor safe, is it
[23:39] <fritzIsOnline> how can i use another folder from another partition in Ktorrent, with my user password?


 still Firefox :/ (re @kc2bez: try setting BROWSER to a null value in /etc/xdg/xdg-Lubuntu/lxqt/session.conf and possibly in ~/.config/lxqt/session.conf as well.)
 also still firefox when in both files BROWSER value is set to
 BROWSER=/var/lib/flatpak/exports/bin/com.github.Eloston.UngoogledChromium (re @kc2bez: try setting BROWSER to a null value in /etc/xdg/xdg-Lubuntu/lxqt/session.conf and possibly in ~/.config/lxqt/session.conf as well.)
[14:06] <Kelvinjay13> Hello
[14:07] <SuchAGeekGirl_> Hi
[14:09] <Kelvinjay13> Is anyone here?
[14:09] <SuchAGeekGirl_> Me xD
[14:09] <Kelvinjay13> hm.
[14:09] <SuchAGeekGirl_> There are 78 people here.
[14:09] <Kelvinjay13> but they are not responding.
[14:10] <Maik> !ask | Kelvinjay13
[14:10] <SuchAGeekGirl_> Because they aren't at their computer right now. That's how webchat works. When you reply to a Telegram group you don't get an instant response. IRC is no different
[14:10] <Kelvinjay13> I need help on my lubuntu installation
[14:10] <Maik> !discuss
[14:10] <SuchAGeekGirl_> See people are here xD
[14:10] <Maik> !patience
[14:11] <Maik> that's for the both of you :)
[14:11] <Kelvinjay13> Okay Maik
[14:11] <Kelvinjay13> I need help on my lubuntu installation can anyone possibly help?
[14:12] <SuchAGeekGirl_> ASK your question before you make the geeks mad. :')
[14:12] <Maik> SuchAGeekGirl_: please stop it
[14:12] <Kelvinjay13> but i need someone to respond first before i can continue
[14:13] <Maik> Depends on what your issue is, so be more specific and if there's someone around to help
[14:13] <Kelvinjay13> I want to install java 8 on lubuntu but it does not seem to work ( im using terminal to install )
[14:13] <Kelvinjay13> when its done i get this error "WARNING: tempfile is deprecated; consider using mktemp instead."
[14:15] <Maik> https://computingforgeeks.com/how-to-install-java-8-on-ubuntu/
[14:15] <Kelvinjay13> Okay
[14:15] <Maik> i'm not familiar with it though but maybe that has some clues
[14:15] <Maik> always search first before asking
[16:27] <federico_> salve
[18:20] <hunt> hi , I have dual monitor issue , I cant change resolution to 1440
[18:21] <hunt> I understand that hippo is still under development but is that issue related to beta ?
[19:31] <pi_____> ui
[19:31] <pi_____> eueae
[19:31] <pi_____> ueia
[19:31] <pi_____> eia
[19:31] <pi_____> aie
[19:31] <pi_____> aei


[04:58] <Malinthe> launchpad login help. getting error 'This account cannot be used' :(
[04:58] <mwhudson> uh oh
[04:59] <mwhudson> a few people had this problem, but i was fairly sure that we had it fixed
[04:59] <Malinthe> ah
[04:59] <mwhudson> Malinthe: when did you last successfully use the account?
[04:59] <Malinthe> mwhudson: can't remember for sure. few weeks i guess. i do translating of wordpress there.
[05:00] <mwhudson> hm
[05:01] <Malinthe> any way to fix?
[05:03] <mwhudson> Malinthe: yes, but i don't know what exactly :/
[05:03] <Malinthe> ah
[05:04] <Malinthe> i couldn't do any translations for some time now :(
[08:50] <mantiena> hi all
[08:51] <mantiena> are any launchpad developers alive ?
[08:51] <lifeless> no
[08:51] <lifeless> they all caught pneumonia
[08:51] <mantiena> :(((((((
[08:52] <mantiena> it's a pity
[08:52] <lifeless> perhaps you had some question to ask
[08:53] <mantiena> yes, my question is: When developers of other distros, with use launchpad, will be able to register new milestones or new releases (series) ?
[08:56] <mantiena> I'm talking about bug #211223
[09:06] <mantiena> my question is: When developers of other distros, which use launchpad, will be able to register new milestones or new releases (series) ?
[09:13] <mantiena> Why at bottom of https://launchpad.net/baltix I see text "Baltix GNU/Linux does not use Launchpad." ? Baltix uses launchpad for bugs, for blueprints and for answers, previously I had an ability to check some checkboxes in distribution details, but now there are checkbox'es about bugs and answers usage :(
[09:14] <mantiena> now there are *no* checkboxes
[09:17] <lifeless> BjornT: ^
[09:17] <lifeless> mantiena: BjornT is the bug team leader and may be able to help
[09:18] <mantiena> lifeless: thanks for info
[09:19] <mantiena> BjornT: so, should I report another bug agains launchpad or soyuz or you have enough unfixed bugreports already ? ;)
[09:22] <Hobbsee> mantiena: report away, but there's no guarentee about when it'll get fixed :)
[09:22] <BjornT> mantiena: i think you should report a bug. i'm not responsible for that page, and i don't what's going on there. but it's definitely odd that there's a checkbox for blueprints, but not anything else
[09:28] <mantiena> Some time ago (in 2006 and 2007) there were other checkboxes, but they disappeared someday in this year...
[09:32] <Hobbsee> mantiena: they've been changing the UI all over the place.
[10:02] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[10:02] <jtv> Hey mpt!
[10:03] <mpt> hey hey
[10:03] <mpt> jtv, I have some changes to the translation page I think you'll like
[10:04] <jtv> mpt: finally!  It's 3D now?
[10:04] <jtv> mpt: but seriously, tell me, tell me!
[10:06] <mpt> The "Add more lines" button is smaller and next to the line instead of underneath
[10:06] <mpt> and clicking it actually focuses the field
[10:06] <mpt> This is all beuno's work
[10:20] <Laibsch> ping mwhudson about import of gnucash from tar-ball
[10:30] <jtv> mpt: I think a power outage broke my connection for a while...  last I saw from you was "this is all beuno's work."
[10:31] <Spads> jtv: last we saw from him as well
[10:31] <wgrant> Hrmm.
[10:31] <wgrant> I can see that edge tab graphical glitch now, too
[10:31] <wgrant> Except worse than the other report.
[10:32] <jtv> Spads: has anyone called the police?
[10:32] <jtv> Spads: hi, btw  :)
[10:34] <Spads> hehe, howdy jtv
[10:38]  * wgrant mumbles something about making pages less useful and burying them a few levels deeper.
[10:39] <mpt> wgrant, which glitch?
[10:40] <wgrant> mpt: +packages
[10:40] <wgrant> The fix for timeouts was to reduce what's on the page without any way to get the rest.
[10:41] <wgrant> (and somebody capitalised 'most')
[10:41] <wgrant> And it's hidden beneath the third or fourth level of tabs.
[10:41] <Hobbsee> ah yes, that's like the queue page.
[10:42] <wgrant> And one of the rows of tabs is inexplicably below a subheading.
[10:42] <wgrant> Which is smaller than the one below the lower set of tabs.
[10:42] <wgrant> And wastes spafce.
[10:42] <wgrant> s/f//
[10:43] <wgrant> And the Distribution homepage has a strange set of [verb, verb, verb, noun] options.
[10:44] <wgrant> And Ubuntu also uses Launchpad for tracking packages.
[10:44] <wgrant> And Blueprints, for that matter.
[10:44] <wgrant> And why would I want to show announcements when I can already see them on the homepage? Or maybe it shows all of them?
[10:45] <wgrant> And what's this new 'Mirror admins' component?
[10:45] <wgrant> And is the registration date that important?
[10:46] <wgrant> And the 'Ask a question' button uses the generic add button.
[10:48] <wgrant> And why do these announcements have two distinct dates, and a single word sentence?
[10:48] <wgrant> And of course they were created for Ubuntu! I'm looking at the Ubuntu page, and it says Ubuntu everywhere!
[10:55]  * wgrant wonders if LP is focusing its death ray at him at the moment.
[11:15] <mpt> wgrant, my three best guesses at what URL you're referring to -- <https://edge.launchpad.net/+packages>, <https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+packages>, and <https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+packages> -- all 404. Sorry, you'll need to be more specific.
[11:37] <geser> mpt: I guess he meant https://edge.launchpad.net/~wgrant/+packages
[11:40] <wgrant> mpt: Sorry, geser is right.
[11:40] <mpt> ugh
[11:40] <mpt> "Related Software:"
[11:41] <wgrant> Oh, you didn't design this?
[11:42] <mpt> I designed the overall structure, but not the headings
[11:45] <mpt> wgrant, I'm sorry, you'll need to report those bugs yourself, I really don't have time today
[11:46] <wgrant> mpt: I wasn't planning on you reporting them.
[11:49] <ltsampros> hello.
[11:50] <ltsampros> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quack-el
[11:50] <ltsampros> in this context, what does "superseded in hardy" means ?
[11:50] <wgrant> ltsampros: It means that it is no longer published in Hardy.
[11:51] <wgrant> It should probably actually say 'Deleted in hardy[...]'
[11:51] <ltsampros> that was my point :)
[11:51] <ltsampros> but why was it deleted actually ?
[11:51] <wgrant> I believe newer deletions will say that, but that one is too old.
[11:52] <wgrant> Checking...
[11:52] <wgrant> "(From Debian) RoQA; unmaintained, few users"
[11:52] <ltsampros> how did you see that ?
[11:53] <wgrant> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/removals.txt, though for newer removals it is on https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quack-el/+publishinghistory.
[11:53] <ltsampros> aaa. okey.
[11:53] <ltsampros> thanks
[11:54] <ltsampros> although it's a little bit akward that some info is not visible from launchpads interface :(
[11:54] <wgrant> It is for newer removals, I believe.
[11:54] <wgrant> But that one seems to have been performed before the new system came into place.
[11:55] <ltsampros> new system ?
[11:55] <wgrant> The one that logs removals in Launchpad properly.
[11:55] <wgrant> But IANALPD.
[11:56] <ltsampros> ianalpd ?
[11:56] <wgrant> I Am Not A Launchpad Developer.
[11:56] <ltsampros> lol
[11:58] <geser> wgrant: gets removals.txt still updated or are new removals now only logged in LP?
[11:58] <wgrant> ltsampros: See https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24/+publishinghistory, for example.
[11:59] <wgrant> ltsampros: Note that the Intrepid entry is marked Deleted, and has a comment inside it.
[11:59] <wgrant> geser: It looks like it's just LP, unfortunately.
[12:00] <wgrant> I did see a bug on that months ago.
[14:07] <pep> good afternoon
[14:14] <pep> how do you delete projects?
[14:19] <cody-somerville> pep: You have to file a request on launchpad.
[14:20] <pep> cody-somerville: ah ok.. well I filed a question over a week ago, I was wondering if it was the right procedure
[14:20] <pep> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/38202
[14:21] <cody-somerville> pep, So you want them to delete it so you can start over?
[14:22] <pep> yes, that's the idea... we are changing the language it will be coded in and the contributors have completely changed
[14:22] <pep> former main contributor Dan Buch suggested deleting the old ones
[14:22] <pep> so did jenda vancura
[14:22] <gnomefreak> hey im still getting errors for emails to LP pre released version of Lp
[14:23] <gnomefreak> Error message:
[14:23] <gnomefreak> The message you sent included commands to modify the bug report, but you didn't
[14:23] <gnomefreak> sign the message with your OpenPGP key.
[14:23] <gnomefreak> i sign all my emails
[14:23] <gnomefreak> and for 2nd one i got a OOPS-926CEMAIL4
[14:32] <gnomefreak> i never had a problem until the UI changed
[14:32] <cody-somerville> pep, I don't see much of a need to delete them
[14:32] <cody-somerville> You can change all the fields
[14:37] <pep> cody-somerville: so you think it better to simply put all branches and blueprints to obsolete/abandoned and work in the same project?
[14:37] <cody-somerville> pep, certainly.
[14:37] <cody-somerville> pep, why lose that data? :)
[14:39] <pep> well fine... we just had the feeling it "felt better" to start off in a nice, shining new project :)
[14:44] <cody-somerville> pep, well, I'd think getting started would beat waiting :)
[14:49] <pep> yes, I was very busy all last week, so I started getting a little fed up that nothing had moved on saturday :)
[14:56] <pep> cody-somerville: thanks for your help, I'll set everything to the correct status and change details/branding then...
[14:56] <pep>  it's not possible to change the project name is it? we can keep the spreadubuntu project as it is, but it would be good to change the ubuntu-diy-marketing to diy-spreadubuntu.. if not I'll create a diy-spreadubuntu project.
[14:56] <cody-somerville> pep, I believe you can change it, yes
[14:56] <cody-somerville> If not, we can get a launchpad admin to do it
[14:59] <pep> that would be nice, I think only an admin can do it...
[16:05] <pep> Any admins around to change a project name? I changed the projects details, etc... the question is here: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/38202
[16:10] <cody-somerville> pep, I think they might be busy at a sprint or something this week
[16:12] <pep> cody-somerville: oh really? thanks for the info ;)
[17:35] <emgent> barry: around ?
[17:35] <emgent> barry: when you have time can you take a look https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/38517 ?
[17:38] <andrea-bs> emgent: you can contact the owner of ubuntu-laptop and ask him to deactivate your team
[18:43] <lifeless> mpt: why is 'subscribe to bug mail' on the overview page?
[18:46] <mpt> lifeless, bug 193872
[18:50] <nedko> in PPA i get "Estimated build start:  	0 seconds ago" and "Build score:  	4005". is this normal?
[18:52] <nedko> it got built for lpia but for amd64 and i386 build records are in that state
[19:40] <m-c> Getting an "Application error." when trying to reset user password, on Launchpad.
[19:41] <andrea-bs> m-c: do you get an OOPS?
[19:41] <m-c> andrea-bs: The complete error is, "Application error.  Unauthenticated user POSTing to page that requires authentication."
[19:42] <m-c> This is immediately after completing the "Reset password" form.
[19:42] <andrea-bs> m-c: this seems a browser problem, not a launchpad issue
[19:42] <andrea-bs> m-c: which web browser are you using?
[19:42] <m-c> Are there third-party cookies that I need to allow?  I am using Firefox 3 (default with Ubuntu 8.04.1).
[19:47] <andrea-bs> m-c: I've tried to reset my password wit FF3 and I get no error, can you tell me which is the exact page where you get the error, please?
[19:47] <m-c> Let me try it again.  The page I was repeatedly getting errors, previously was: " https://edge.launchpad.net/token/qrZdBgTtSm332KLBmD6B/+resetpassword "
[19:52] <andrea-bs> m-c: this seems bug #2115, can you confirm this?
[19:54] <m-c> Just tried it again, with the same results.  Going to look at the bug now.
[20:02] <andrea-bs> m-c: what happens deleting your cookies?
[20:06] <m-c> I am not real eager to delete all my cookies...
[20:06] <m-c> But for the sake of Launchpad, I will give it a try!
[20:06] <andrea-bs> m-c: you can delete just the .launchpad.net cookies if you prefer
[20:08] <m-c> After removing all cookies, I was able to login, thank you very much!
[20:08] <andrea-bs> you are welcome
[20:09] <andrea-bs> I'll add this discussion to the bug report
[20:39] <Rinchen>
[20:39] <Rinchen> Help test Launchpad's new UI!  http://news.launchpad.net
[20:39] <Rinchen>
[20:41] <thekorn> Rinchen, hi, should we as a user add tags or something to bugs we report related to the new UI
[20:42] <beuno> UI tags would be great  :)
[20:42] <Rinchen> thekorn, you can tag them with UI if you'd like as per  https://help.launchpad.net/TaggingLaunchpadBugs
[20:42] <Rinchen> Admittedly we're a bit behind on triaging.
[20:43] <Rinchen> The UI tag was originally meant for a different purpose but it's grown into an universal tag for the UI.
[20:43] <Rinchen> As such it's helpfulness varies from bug report to bug report
[20:44] <thekorn> ok, so there is no edgeUI tag?
[20:44] <thekorn> as there are about 500 UI bugs, every new one will be lost :)
[20:51] <Rinchen> Admittedly we're a bit behind on triaging. :-)
[21:02] <thekorn> that's no problem for me, as long as you are able to triage the bugreports which are filed as a result of your calls for help testing the new UI
[21:03] <Rinchen> yeah that we can do
[21:03] <Rinchen> sort by newest  :-)
[21:03] <danbhfive> anyone know what this error means?: bzr: ERROR: Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir()                      I'm trying to push a branch from within a VM...
[21:04] <mthaddon> danbhfive, I'm not absolutely sure, but I think http is read only and push needs authentication
[21:04] <mthaddon> danbhfive, so you'll need to do sftp or bzr+ssh
[21:04] <danbhfive> mthaddon: yeah, I think you are correct
[21:05] <thekorn> Rinchen, but then you will get newly created tasks too ;) anyway, the new UI is looking very good and functional, good work
[21:05] <danbhfive> I think I found something, thanks
[21:05] <mthaddon> cool
[21:05] <Rinchen> thekorn, thanks mpt and beuno  :-)
[21:05] <tca> Are there launchpad staff on this channel? I deactivated my account some time ago for some reason, and I really would like to have it reactivated to report bugs on software I need. I won't deactivate it again ;-) Is that possible? The account is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:06] <Rinchen> tca, try logging in and select  "forgotten password"
[21:07] <tca> Have tried several times. Get a message "this account cannot be used" or similar.
[21:08] <Rinchen> tca, hmm, we've been having some intermittent issues with something like that. Let me ask someone about it quick
[21:10] <Rinchen> tca, have something for you to try
[21:10] <Rinchen> tca, head over to https://edge.launchpad.net ...and attempt to do the forgotten password approach again please
[21:11] <Rinchen> tca, we have some newer code there that might have fixed the issue you are seeing.
[21:23] <tca> Rinchen: thanks, that worked.
[21:23] <Rinchen> thanks tca, best of luck!
[21:24] <Rhamphoryncus> Rinchen: shiny
[21:24] <Rinchen> Rhamphoryncus, shinier as the week progresses :-)
[21:25] <Rhamphoryncus> Hearing that you've done a usability study already makes me feel better
[21:25] <ScottK> Rinchen: I read you blog post.  I don't suppose you're interested in "Please dear God, no" feedback.
[21:27] <Rinchen> ScottK, :-)
[21:27] <ScottK> Honestly I think it's a big step backwards.
[21:27] <Rinchen> ScottK, can you write up your observations for me so I can share them with everyone? We're going to be tweaking the UI again later this year.
[21:28] <ScottK> It's almost like you've arbitrarily re-arranged stuff just to be confusing.
[21:28] <Rinchen> would be handy to have your reasoning
[21:28] <Rinchen> ah, that in fact isn't the case. It's all based upon input received.
[21:29] <Rhamphoryncus> I like it.  The links for the current project have been given greater prominence, making the it project-centric, rather thank "here's launchpad!  And oh year, something about your project in the corner.."
[21:29] <ScottK> The summary version is that I find the current production U/I the most usable with CSS and images turned off.  I can find stuff then.  The edge U/I is even more confusing.
[21:30] <ScottK> Right, but I'm a distro developer, not a project developer.
[21:31] <Rhamphoryncus> It's all in the fine print :)
[21:31] <ScottK> I think that Launchpad development is clearly more focused on the project case than the distro case.
[21:32] <ScottK> I'd like to see more emphasis on fixing the huge stack of bugs than reshuffling U/I.
[21:33] <Rhamphoryncus> The UI *needed* reshuffling.  The first couple times I stumbled across launchpad, I honestly did not realize it was a project hosting site
[21:33] <Rhamphoryncus> Besides, most of the work's already done
[21:33] <ScottK> Rinchen: I'm really not sure where I would start if I were going to write up a critique.  My recommendation would be to take the last pre-beta tables based U/I, re-implement it in css, and go with that.
[21:33] <ScottK> Rhamphoryncus: Spent effort on a bad design isn't a reason to deploy it.
[21:34] <LaserJock> I think the only thing I'm really going to have issues with is multiple layers of tabs
[21:34] <LaserJock> it's like Gnome 3.0 or something ;-)
[21:34] <Rhamphoryncus> ScottK: good design for my uses.  That's why it's so important to figure out the circumstances that make it bad for you
[21:35] <Rinchen> ScottK, we do have an advanced UI (minimal UI) idea that hasn't been implemented yet.
[21:35] <ScottK> I see Subscribe/Unsubscribe got moved above the subscriber list.  That's progress.
[21:37] <ScottK> Sticking "Link to a related branch" in the prime real estate on the bug page makes no sense at all for a distro.  It's virtually never used.
[21:37] <ScottK> Shoving the least used feature in the user's face is not good design.
[21:37] <ScottK> Link to CVE is at least sometimes useful, but also, almost never used.
[21:38] <LaserJock> agreed
[21:38] <LaserJock> the "Convert to Question" placement seems similarly odd to me
[21:38] <ScottK> And yet fundamental usability issues like not being able to remove a bug watch or un-nominate for a release if some accepts by mistake are not addressed.
[21:39] <LaserJock> I'd really rather have description/tag editing up top
[21:39] <ScottK> Then there's moving the Activity Log next to the name of the reporter.
[21:39] <LaserJock> ideally you want the most-used items all within one scree, right?
[21:39] <ScottK> So we put it right next to the one bit of information that I don't need it to find out.
[21:40] <geser> the box "This report is public" looks like it got misplaced, like it should be together with the other boxes
[21:40] <ScottK> Essentially we go from always (modulo some defects in the old design) knowing where to look for stuff to do (Actions section) to having to hunt each action down in it's own special place on the page.
[21:41] <LaserJock> geser: yep
[21:41] <ScottK> So it's WAY more complex to deal with.
[21:41] <ScottK> Rinchen: In short, my advice would be go back one release, not forward.
[21:42] <laga> hum. new device looks.. tab-by
[21:42] <laga> err, design.
[21:44] <laga> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/mythbuntu  - this looks a bit odd. lots of unused space
[21:44] <laga> around that pie chart
[21:44] <ScottK> Rinchen: Now I have to go through several layers of click throughs to change settings on my account that were directly accessible before.
[21:45] <ScottK> I'm sure it looked good on paper, but more clicking = more waiting and LP isn't getting any faster.
[21:45] <ScottK> I'm going through looking for a change I like.
[21:45] <laga> also, the "list all open bugs" should be more prominent IMHO.. at least that's how i work: list all bugs, then CTRL+f - i launchpad search usually doesn't cut it for me.
[21:45] <ScottK> So far putting the subscribe/unsubscribe link above the subscriber list is it.
[21:45] <Rinchen> There are more changes coming over the next few days to clear up some of the elements, placements, rough corners, browser compatibility, etc.
[21:46] <LaserJock> Rinchen: what about inconsistent pages? some pages don't have the new layout, will that get fixed before release?
[21:46] <ScottK> Tweaks aren't what this needs.
[21:46] <Rinchen> LaserJock, by wed they should hopefully all be consistent but if you find some that aren't, please bug them
[21:46] <ScottK> Rinchen: I think the mutiple layers of menus on to change settings in my account is a REALLY bad problem.
[21:47] <ScottK> Rinchen: It just feels like you're going out of your way to make stuff hard.
[21:48] <LaserJock> I think it really sucks that it takes 3 clicks to get +packages from a user's homepage
[21:49] <ScottK> LaserJock: Users have plenty of time to wait.  I'm sure it'll be fine.  It's not like their productivity is important if it looks cool.
[21:49] <LaserJock> I guess 2 clicks if you know what you're doing
[21:49] <LaserJock> ScottK: low blow :-)
[21:49] <LaserJock> LP is plenty fast for me
[21:50] <ScottK> None if it's in your browser history and you know what to type.
[21:50] <ScottK> URL typing is still my primary method of navigation in LP.
[21:50] <ScottK> I don't see this changing that.
[21:51] <LaserJock> I use URLs as course navigation
[21:51] <LaserJock> then clicks to get exactly what I want from there
[21:52] <ScottK> Why in the world does "Related Software" default to the "Participation" tab.
[21:52]  * geser has "quick searches" in his firefox to jump to a given bug number, to jump to the source package page and the bug list of a package
[21:53] <ScottK> That's useless.  It lists stuff that mostly I've never even participated in.
[21:53] <LaserJock> ScottK: you might want to check out https://edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-project/+milestone/1.99 to see what's maybe been fixed
[21:55] <ScottK> The participation section for me lists 17 projects.  I think I've actually touched stuff in 6 or 7 of them.
[21:55] <Rinchen> we're a good day behind on edge updates and there are some fixes needed for some items we found earlier on staging
[21:55] <ScottK> But that's clearly the most important thing.
[21:55] <geser> how is determined in which projects I particpated? I've have no idea why some projects are listed for me
[21:56] <ScottK> geser: Launchpad knows better than you what you've done and the best way you should do your work.
[21:56] <Rinchen> it's based on bugs, specs, translations, etc...
[21:56] <Rinchen> so if you comment on something for example, you could consider it participation
[21:56] <Rinchen> I'm not sure exactly how the calculation works without looking at the code
[21:57] <ScottK> Rinchen: As an example, it lists backports projects on my page that were closed before I ever got invovled in backports.
[21:57] <Rinchen> For me it's clearly generated off of those projects that I have the highest karma in
[21:57] <ScottK> For me it lists mostly ones I have none in.
[21:58] <geser> so if I comment on a bug which has an open task for the package in Ubuntu and a task for the project, it counts as a contribution to the project?
[21:58] <ScottK> This is a good example of LP being developed for projects, not distros.
[21:58] <ScottK> I click on related software and it defaults to projects.
[21:59] <ScottK> Projects are virtually irrelevant to me.
[21:59] <ScottK> The package list is useulf.
[21:59] <ScottK> useful...
[21:59] <LaserJock> +1 to that
[21:59] <LaserJock> it's kind of nice to have a list somewhere
[21:59] <LaserJock> but well buried in favor of useful information
[22:00] <ScottK> Rinchen: Was it part of the usability study that people wanted useful information buried where it was hard to find?
[22:00] <geser> it would be also good if the +packages page was paginated and didn't show only the last 50 uploads
[22:00] <Rinchen> ScottK, I think you are asking why the person page was split out....
[22:00] <Rinchen> ScottK, there's a bug report on that
[22:00] <LaserJock> geser: totally! That really bugs me
[22:00] <Rinchen> ScottK, we didn't just arbitrarily wave a wand and say "let's go mess up people's workflows"
[22:01] <ScottK> Rinchen: Yet you manage.
[22:01] <Rinchen> we used input from bugs and the usability study to determine what the UI should look like
[22:01] <geser> iirc wgrant wanted to file a bug about it
[22:01] <Rinchen> UIs are hard to get right for everyone though.
[22:01] <LaserJock> I think he did
[22:01] <LaserJock> geser: ^^
[22:02] <LaserJock> Rinchen: for sure, perhaps an advanced UI or something would help
[22:02] <LaserJock> or better yet, customizable UI
[22:02] <Rinchen> LaserJock, yeah I am really looking forward to that since I don't use a lot of the UI myself
[22:03] <Rinchen> LaserJock, in that regard I'm like ScottK ... I just go to exact pages and don't need images and such
[22:03] <Rinchen> I don't actually turn them off mind you... I just know from experience where to go
[22:03] <LaserJock> well, it's sort of hard to remember all the URLs
[22:04] <Rinchen> but we have lots of UI bugs yet left to fix
[22:04] <LaserJock> I know the main ones, but wandering around source package/build pages, and personal pages ends up being quite a few URLs
[22:04] <Rinchen> yeah, the package and build pages we know we need to give love to
[22:04] <Rinchen> we've been toying with a few ways to do that, but haven't yet settled on anything specific
[22:05] <Rinchen> those pages are used a lot and are functional.....
[22:05] <LaserJock> well, somewhat functional
[22:05] <Rinchen> but not always intuitive
[22:05] <Rinchen> yeah, so... known problem....
[22:05] <LaserJock> I've filed a couple bugs recently wrt changelogs
[22:05] <LaserJock> and LP's mangling of them
[22:07] <Rinchen> I need to leave for about an hour and half for an appointment.  I'll be back in case anyone wants to chew my ear off further. :-)
[22:07] <LaserJock> it just seems unfortnate that the broader development community is not consulted when these pages are designed
[22:07] <LaserJock> it's rather annoying to see Launchpad make steps backward
[22:08] <ScottK> Rinchen: I don't imagine there's much point.  You've embarked on a course and user unhappiness isn't going to change it.
[22:09] <beuno> ScottK, it probably will change it, it's just a matter of when  :)
[22:09] <LaserJock> ScottK: well, I'm not sure that's entirely fair. They do care about user unhappiness. The problem seems to be in an ability to deal with all user's needs and fixing things fast enough
[22:09] <ScottK> LaserJock: I don't think it would matter how many people showed up now and said "Please don't deploy the new U/I".
[22:10] <LaserJock> not now no
[22:10] <LaserJock> but that would be the same with just about anything
[22:10] <LaserJock> you don't completely scratch everything right before release
[22:10] <Rinchen> LaserJock, ScottK - I have to run but I've captured what you said, sanitized a little, and forwarded that on to the folks working on the plan for the next round of UI updates in the fall.
[22:11] <ScottK> Rinchen: Thanks.
[22:11] <Rinchen> I've suggested we get the mockups out well in advance for the community to comment on
[22:11] <Rinchen> we'll see what becomes of that
[22:12] <ScottK> Rinchen: There would have to be a reason for us to believe that feedback would be listened to.
[22:14] <nycerine> hm, as of today, there's no mechanism in launchpad that will tell an translator if the original language has been updated, so that a translator could up his/hers as well?
[22:14] <nycerine> am I correct?
[22:14] <ScottK> It's moments like this I really wish I had a blog on planet.
[22:29] <tacone> bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Erapache-devel/rapache/rapache-stage0/.bzr/branch/lock): Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir()
[22:29] <tacone> I have my ssh key uploaded. any idea ?
[22:29] <wgrant> Rinchen: The mockups didn't show the extent of the changes. They're much deeper and more bad this time.
[22:30] <wgrant> tacone: bzr launchpad-login <yourlaunchpadusername>
[22:30] <tacone> wgrant: thanks :) trying now
[22:30] <wgrant> And I really need to file at least a couple of dozen UI bugs tonight :(
[22:31] <tacone> wgrant: no output to that command. then the same error
[22:31] <wgrant> tacone: Make sure you check out using lp:... rather than http:...
[22:31] <tacone> wgrant: "bzr push"
[22:32] <wgrant> tacone: To what URL are you pushing?
[22:32] <tacone> ok
[22:32] <tacone> I checked it out via http I guess
[22:32] <wgrant> That would do it.
[22:32] <tacone> passing the url to the push seems working
[22:32] <tacone> sorry for the stupid question ;-)
[22:33] <beuno> tacone, make sure you re-push with   --remember flag, so it uses that the next time
[22:33] <wgrant> If you have set your username, lp:whatever will use bzr+ssh by defaualt.
[22:33] <tacone> too late :-)
[22:34] <tacone> bzr: ERROR: no such option: --remember-flag
[22:34] <beuno> tacone, right, just  --remember
[22:35] <tacone> nice
[22:35] <tacone> done, thank you. have a good evening
[22:46] <nycerine> hm, as of today, there's no mechanism in launchpad that will tell an translator if the original language has been updated, so that a translator could up his/hers as well?
[22:46] <nycerine> right?
[22:51] <wgrant> Hrrnnng. Why are there now only two items above the bugtask table? I can't see the third one elsewhere.
[22:51] <wgrant> Oh, right, I see.
[22:51] <wgrant> It's up there next to the summary.... ew.
[22:51] <wgrant> Where do I set the security? Through the privacy link? Oh dear.
[23:09]  * ScottK notes loading a particular bug takes ~20% more queries on edge than on the production database.
[23:09]  * ScottK doesn't expect that to make things faster.
[23:15] <beuno> ScottK, I think that's because of a few new features that are going to land for bugs
[23:16] <ScottK> Faster would be the major feature I'm lacking.
[23:16]  * ScottK didn't see anything new on the page.
[23:18] <beuno> well, it's probably not showing on the UI yet.  I do wonder what the speed comparison is
[23:19]  * ScottK gets tired of "We are doing this thing that appears bad because of some great future thing".
[23:19] <nycerine> it's a strange concept
[23:20] <nycerine> but long term -> short term
[23:20] <beuno> ScottK, well, to be fair, it's on edge for a reason. So it can be rolled out in stages
[23:20] <ScottK> I'd probably feel better if I thought any of the great future vision would be useful to me.
[23:20] <ScottK> beuno: I thought release of this U/I was imminent.
[23:21] <beuno> ScottK, AFAIK, it is. Although there are many queued things for landing, so I'm not sure what exactly is going to be rolled out
[23:22] <beuno> ie, which are landing in this roll out, and which are landing in the next
[23:26] <beuno> ScottK, I do agree with many of your observations, so filing bugs at this stage is probably a great idea
[23:55]  * Rhamphoryncus wonders, if it takes 2 hours to push a new branch, is that a bad sign for how long scanning will take?
[23:56] <mwhudson_> i hope not


[06:31] <cjwatson> Ahaha.  Um.  Installing ubiquity appears to remove unity now, presumably due to the WM changes.
[06:32] <cjwatson> ev: Do you think you could deal with this when you get in, or ask xnox or stgraber to do so?  I'm about to go off-net on vacation - just noticed this while debugging a problem with building the Qin image.
[06:33] <cjwatson> May need to extend ubiquity-dm to handle unity directly, or revert my recent change if the cure is worse than the disease there, or something else.
[06:33] <cjwatson> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1163918/
[08:12] <ev> cjwatson: firefighting the retracers. I'll pass it on to stgraber or xbox when they get in.
[08:22] <ev> stgraber: could you or xnox take care of this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1163918/ - I'm in the middle of a firefight on errors.ubuntu.com
[11:28] <xnox> I wonder about the TORAM option and actually performing installation back to the USB stick / origin of the live environment.
[11:33] <xnox> seems like cia had a hookup ~10-9 hours ago.
[11:33] <xnox> email returned to sender in debian


[00:37] <Q-FUNK> WRT http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13941 could someone help?
[00:37] <ubot3`> bugzilla.kernel.org bug 13941 in i386 "x86 Geode issue" [Normal,Reopened]
[00:39] <Q-FUNK> would "apt-get --compile source linux-image-2.6.32-9-generic" be enough to achieve this?
[01:02] <matti> dhillon-v10: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwEVzOegqzw :)
[01:04] <dhillon-v10> matti, hey there :D one suggestion, we shouldn't be talking about youtube in an official channel, do /query dhillon-v10 and then we can talk ;)
[01:04] <matti> Oh I am sorry ;]
[01:04] <dhillon-v10> matti, nah its okay, that's a funny video
[01:04] <matti> I just had a moment of joy and fun with British sense of humour.
[01:05] <dhillon-v10> matti, :) nice
[01:05] <matti> :>
[01:24] <Q-FUNK> http://git.kernel.org/tip/17a2a9b57a9a7d2fd8f97df951b5e63e0bd56ef5
[01:24] <Q-FUNK> could this be applied to lucid and karmic kernels?
[02:04] <dhillon-v10> Q-FUNK, it could, but I am guessing you may have to compile a custom kernel for doing so
[02:04] <Q-FUNK> dhillon-v10: why?
[02:04] <dhillon-v10> Q-FUNK, don't know :D
[02:04] <dhillon-v10> Q-FUNK, you don't want to break anything in the kernel that you are currently using
[02:05] <Q-FUNK> the current kernel is already broken as it is, so...
[02:05] <dhillon-v10> Q-FUNK, alright then go ahead and see what happens
[02:05] <dhillon-v10> Q-FUNK, it shouldn't be causing a lot of trouble since its only modifying gcc flags
[02:06] <Q-FUNK> precisely why I'd like this applied and pushed
[02:07] <dhillon-v10> Q-FUNK, alright so you should test it on your kernel, then test if for like 2 days and then open a bug report stating the problem, then you can ask for that patch to be applied in lucid :D
[02:07] <Q-FUNK> bug report already open
[02:07] <dhillon-v10> Q-FUNK, did you test it on your kernel
[02:08] <Q-FUNK> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/396286
[02:08] <ubot3`> Malone bug 396286 in linux "[Geode LX] [OLPC] 2.6.31-generic: kernel panic near the end of initramfs" [High,In progress]
[02:09] <dhillon-v10> Q-FUNK, seems like a bunch of people are working on it, since there are a *lot* of kernel bugs that the devs have to go through and fix, this one will soon be fixed
[02:10] <dhillon-v10> Q-FUNK, its been fixed upstream so it would be easy here, it just needs a bit of time, okay
[02:13] <Q-FUNK> there's no telling whether it's been fixed upstream, actually.  however, the suggested fix is simple enough that it would be worth trying.
[02:18] <dhillon-v10> Q-FUNK, alright sorry I wasn't able to help much :)
[02:18] <Q-FUNK> and I'd trust Peter Anvin on his assumption :)
[02:18] <dhillon-v10> Q-FUNK, yah he's one of the people you can trush :)
[10:16] <Q-FUNK> could anyone explain to me how the kernel build system works on Ubuntu?  I tried adding an upstream patch, which worked, then "dch -i" but then doing "debuild -S -sa"  seems to squash my changelog entry, which also makes debsign fail.
[11:38] <AceLan_> Q-FUNK: dch -i -c debian.master/changelog
[11:41] <Q-FUNK> AceLan_: thanks.  just tried that.  however, "debuild -S -sa" produces a *.changes file without the new version and it insists upon getting the files signed by ubuntu kernel maintainers.
[12:06] <beginnersss> hi
[12:06] <beginnersss> how can I get some information on my kernel ?
[12:06] <beginnersss> any command or something?
[12:07] <_ruben> what kind of information?
[12:08] <beginnersss> like what version of kernel I use?
[12:15] <Q-FUNK> uname -a
[12:17] <beginnersss> ty
[16:19] <chezgi> is there any issues with compiling all network drivers in kernel binary(not as module)?
[17:37] <dhillon-v10> guys wasn't there supposed to be a meeting here today
[18:22] <bjf-afk> dhillon-v10, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[18:23] <dhillon-v10> bjf-afk, thanks a lot :D