[06:43] <BobJonkman> Party pics: http://bob.jonkman.ca/blogs/2012/10/21/pictures-from-the-kw-ubuntu-release-party/
[18:44] <lionofgod> Hey guys
[18:44] <lionofgod> Has anyone used CCSM in ubuntu 12.10?


[03:12] <scodil> ok i know this isn't a support channel, but this is a pretty specific question: acpi works for me just fine on the dapper livecd, but some upgrade broke it. ac events don't get through, and the battery meter never changes. what packages might have been changed between now and then, which would cause this?
[06:09] <defendguin> Edgy is starting to look pretty solid :-D
[06:11] <defendguin> I need some help to figure out when some keys on my laptop keyboard don't work


[00:08] <PhoenixSTF> N1KOL4, I have no idea
[00:08] <PhoenixSTF> where did you get the theme?
[00:15] <dork> I can't seem to get autologin working with lightdm/xubuntu 12.04, anyone know if there are any known issues with this
[00:19] <Unit193> Though I haven't tried it recently, should work fine.  Did you read the FAQ?
[00:19] <Unit193> !faq
[00:37] <blackgatonegro> I have a weird bug in one of my ubuntu accounts the theme is all wrong
[00:37] <blackgatonegro> *xubuntu*
[00:38] <dork> Unit193: seems to be impacting accounts that got migrated over when i copied from shadow/passwd/group
[09:12] <xubuntu723> hello
[09:13] <xubuntu723> I'm a new user of Linux, and i'm trying to instal Acrobat reader, and It does't work right.
[09:14] <xubuntu723> how can i instal acrobat in xubuntu
[09:41] <xubuntu285> hello
[09:41] <xubuntu285> is anyone familiar with installing b.u.t.t. on xubuntu?
[09:54] <xubuntu285> I take it the channel is busy, no one is here, or I really have forgotten how to use IRC
[10:52] <yhusha> trying to get an app to work and it requires read write file permission in some folders tried allowing this through right lick but it doesn't get anywhere
[10:54] <koegs> yhusha: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions
[10:58] <mahmoud__> Hi. How to enable WebGL in Chromium??
[11:03] <yhusha> koegs it says all the directories have full permissions but still this app shows warning /home/yhusha/tmp.... appears to be mounted read only could this have something to do with in properties there are sections that say file access and there is 4 options  a line or read,   read/write, and none and these settings wont change to read and write
[15:08] <lovre> hi all
[15:08] <baizon> !hi | lovre
[15:09] <lovre> im having trouble using thunar with large SVN folder (~10K files) and rabbitcvs. It just freezes. Is there any common solution, or other software to solve this problem?
[15:11] <baizon> lovre: try the cli
[15:12] <baizon> lovre: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Subversion
[15:12] <lovre> baizon: its kind of time consuming checking for modifications with cli, and updating specific files, etc. Its just much quicker with some svn software
[15:20] <lovre> baizon: found out thunar-vcs-plugin, checking it out.
[15:20] <baizon> ok
[15:24] <lovre> baizon: hmm, blazing fast compared to rabbit, but still missing some key features...
[15:26] <baizon> :)
[15:27] <Guest5173> any body familiar with the cannot mount problem in UCK]
[15:59] <c2tarun> anyone using f.lux?
[16:01] <raytray> I'm using redshift as opposed to f.lux
[16:01] <raytray> I could not not get f.lux working c2tarun
[16:02] <c2tarun> raytray, is redshift similar to f.lux?
[16:07] <c2tarun> raytray, is there anyway to configure redshift?
[16:07] <c2tarun> I kind or executed redshift -l 18.5204303:73.8567437 and my whole screen deeply red now. is there anyway to minimize it?
[16:08] <raytray> Try the -t flag, do man redshift, theres the neutral/default values for day/night, so you can probably set it to less extreme values
[16:16] <c2tarun> raytray, I tried 6000:4000 and its very extreme, can you please suggest me some value?
[16:16] <c2tarun> raytray, what is your value?
[16:17] <c2tarun> raytray, I am also able to see redshift in try icon but I dont think there is any GUI to control the color temperature. Am I right?
[16:17] <ohyran333> Is anyone in here good with laptops and laptop screens?
[16:17] <c2tarun> ohyran333, you can directly ask your question.
[16:18] <raytray> c2tarun, I do not believe so. I have not played around with it much. I keep the efault values, try values closer to neutral
[16:19] <c2tarun> raytray, what is neutral value?
[16:21] <c2tarun> raytray, got it :) its 6500
[16:22] <c2tarun> raytray, I dont think redshift is working, I tried redshift -l 18.5204303:73.8567437 t 6500:6500    technically I shouldn't see any change in screen but I saw considerable redness
[16:24] <raytray> Did you do -t?
[16:24] <kidx> i need help i get alot of crashes and snap to window wont disable any ideas?
[16:28] <holstein> kidx: i might make a new user to test... test the crashing apps with this new user and the default config files it generates
[16:29] <kidx> yes sometimes upgrades crash and somtimes wont load.
[16:29] <kidx> you know upgrade software
[16:29] <holstein> kidx: if you stop an upgrade, i would expect issues
[16:29] <kidx> few other apps crash
[16:29] <kidx> and no I never stopped it it has a crash report
[16:30] <kidx> also snap to window woint disable do you have that issue
[16:30] <holstein> kidx: when you say "upgrades crash".. that makes me think an upgrade didnt complete
[16:30] <c2tarun> raytray, ohh... :) thanks
[16:30] <kidx> no the updater crashes
[16:30] <holstein> kidx: i wouldnt worry about the UI issue.. i would open a terminal and run "sudo apt-get update" and report errors in pastebin
[16:31] <holstein> kidx: i would consider trying a new user temprorarily to troubleshoot the config files in your user account
[16:31] <kidx> yea but dont they gotta fix this as well for a better user experience
[16:32] <holstein> kidx: they?.. you mean the developers?.. there really is no "they".. we are they.. you and i.. and myself or one of the other voluteers can likely help you with the issue that you are having.. which so far, doesnt seem to be xubuntu-wide
[16:33] <holstein> !pastebin | kidx for the error output of sudo apt-get update
[16:33] <kidx> Snap to window not disabling is not an issue ? or is it?
[16:34] <holstein> kidx: i wouldnt worry about the UI issues right now.. i would run "sudo apt-get update" in a terminal, and lets see if you have package issues
[16:34] <holstein> kidx: im assuming the "snap to window" issue is a symptom
[16:35] <kidx> I alwasy have ti no matter what from install?
[16:35] <kidx> also will there be better ATI support?
[16:36] <holstein> kidx: you can always ask ATI to provide you/us with better support for the products they create, but i would expect with steam coming to linux, hardware vendors will be more likely to provide us with support
[16:36] <kidx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1392072/
[16:38] <kidx> well I really want to beable to game on Xubuntu smoothly now that would be nice also what about AMD fireing some workers there?
[16:38] <holstein> kidx: you should ask amd about the employee situation
[16:39] <kidx> yea I should if they developed better drivers then they would get more sales right?
[16:39] <holstein> kidx: nothing in ubuntu or xubuntu is preventing you or anyone else from gaming, nor creating games that run great in linux
[16:39] <kidx> that snap to window is annoying though.
[16:40] <holstein> W: Failed to fetch http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/dists/stable/non-free/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[16:40] <holstein> kidx: i wouldnt worry about the UI issues right now.... lets fix this, ok?
[16:40] <holstein> kidx: i would go in and remove that skype source... you can edit the sources
[16:40] <kidx> how do I do it again
[16:41] <kidx> whats the source list link
[16:41] <holstein> i sometimes use synaptic as a GUI for that, since its arguable easier.. but there should be an actual menu item called "sources"
[16:42] <kidx> oh sometimes apps inthe settings area wont launch.
[16:43] <holstein> kidx: is the sources one launching?
[16:44] <kidx> yes but sometimes it don't.
[16:45] <kidx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1392091/
[16:46] <holstein> ok.. i would run "sudo apt-get upgrade"
[16:46] <kidx> ok
[16:47] <holstein> i would reboot if needed.. feel free and pastebin things you have questions about.. i would check the UI elements at reboot.. i would make a new user and test there, thus taking your user config out of the equation for troubleshooting purposes
[16:47] <kidx> thanks alot i really liek Xubuntu
[16:47] <kidx> once these issues are fixed ill enjpy this more.
[16:48] <holstein> kidx: well, its important to entertain that nothing is "broken".. but maybe something that got mis-configured.. such as the 404 skype source
[16:50] <kidx> ok is it normal for your window to snap with snap disabled?
[16:52] <holstein> kidx: lets not bother with "normal"... describe best what is happening and what you would like to have happen.. and test as another user as well
[16:53] <kidx> how do i make another user again
[16:53] <kidx> what i would like is when i drag a window to the top or bottom on accident it wont stretch across my screen.
[16:54] <koegs> thats not snapping, that is tiling :)
[16:55] <holstein> yup... the snap settings wont effect that.. you have that info right off your hat koegs ?
[16:55] <koegs> nope, not sure how to disable it :D
[16:56] <holstein> kidx: i would do it in the GUI, or in the terminal *after* the upgrades go through... sudo adduser username
[16:56] <koegs> "Automatically tile windows when moving toward the screen edge"
[16:57] <kidx> ok
[16:57] <kidx> brb gona test ok
[16:58] <koegs> this has to be disabled in Settings -> Window Manager
[17:02] <kidx> still doing it kinda weird?
[17:03] <kidx> Guess i just gotta live with it
[17:04] <kidx> thansk for all your help Holstein.
[17:05] <holstein> kidx: sure.. and feel free to elaborate as to what "it" and "weird" are, and im sure someone can help
[17:05] <dbb> Hi all - we load some data that is windows encoded, windows-1252, and the linux locale is en_US.iso88591 I think.. what is the preferred way to add a locale to a new XUbuntu ?
[17:06] <kidx> what it is as I akready have said is the snap to windows stays enabled when disabled no thats weird well maybe to me.
[17:06] <holstein> dbb: i literally have no idea waht you are talking about... you need to change a keyboard layout?
[17:06] <dbb> the list of known locales... it's returned by  localw -a
[17:06] <dbb> locale
[17:06] <holstein> kidx: that is not snap though.. i would try and take screenshots, and not use terms
[17:07] <holstein> kidx: tiling is what you were talking about before
[17:07] <holstein> dbb: ive never had an issues opening windows data.. what is the issue when you try just using the data?
[17:08] <kidx> well dragging a window to the top of the screen and have it stretch to fit the screen is annoying how do I disable tiling then.
[17:08] <dbb> in postgresql, a locale is passed for several database configuration parameters.. its baked into a new database, once on open
[17:08] <dbb> postgres just passes the locale param to the system
[17:09] <dbb> so to create a new database with a particular set of encodings in certain places, the locale has to be known to the system
[17:09] <dbb> I notice that the list of known locale's in a bare install is quite minimal
[17:10] <dbb> compared to this mac laptop I am typing on, whose locale -a returns just over 200 locales
[17:10] <koegs> kidx: disable "Automatically tile windows when moving toward the screen edge" in Advanced Window Manager Settings...
[17:10] <dbb> five variations of english for example
[17:11] <kidx> dont have that
[17:12] <Juan_Moreno> just got my xubuntu 12.04 totally working! show time!
[17:13] <kidx> found it
[17:13] <kidx> its under Accessibility
[17:14] <holstein> dbb: im sure you can add locales.. lemme look
[17:14] <kidx> fixed
[17:14] <kidx> thansk alot for the help working right now
[17:14] <Juan_Moreno> people always help here. :)
[17:15] <holstein> kidx: the terminology is key.. its *not* snap.. that was throwing me.. in the future, just say, to the best of your abilities what is happening and what you would like to have happen to the volunteer
[17:16] <kidx> I did say it lol
[17:16] <kidx> I thought it was snap casue they both do the similar thing
[17:16] <kidx> but all that is annoying
[17:16] <holstein> kidx: yup.. but you can look back at the log anytime and see how long it took to get there, and also the few times it was referred to as "tiling"
[17:17] <holstein> kidx: its not a big deal.. im just trying to save you time in the future
[17:17] <kidx> well thansk for teh help one more reason to love Xubuntu
[17:18] <kidx> by the way I have my taskbar opened apps move to the left like a ticker maybe once lol.
[17:19] <kidx> now that is not an option is it?
[17:19] <holstein> kidx: the list of open/running windows?
[17:20] <kidx> yes on taskbar
[17:20] <holstein> they "move to the left" ?
[17:20] <kidx> what ever is opened scrolls to the left on its own that was messed up I had this issue before with XFCE weird?
[17:21] <kidx> I think its a XFCE dev issue IMO
[17:21] <holstein> kidx: havent seen it.. try and get a screenshot of it after it happened.. or come here or an xfce channel while its happening
[17:22] <holstein> kidx: could be a bug. isolated to your harware. only happening to you... or maybe misconfiguration
[17:22] <kidx> well screen shot wont do any thing i need a video and its kinda hard when its random lol.
[17:23] <holstein> kidx: thats why i said *after* it happens..
[17:23] <kidx> its somthing to do with maybe the code conflicting with apps?
[17:23] <kidx> a code confilict
[17:23] <holstein> kidx: could be a bug... a gtk issue.. since everyting is changing
[17:23] <holstein> kidx: the code is all open, have a look if you like...
[17:24] <kidx> gtk?
[17:24] <kidx> is that gnome
[17:25] <holstein> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GTK%2B
[17:25] <holstein> xfce utilizes GTK.. lxde.. its not gnome per se.. im just offering a scenario where you might see a bug
[17:27] <kidx> Gnome founded i think from what i see
[17:27] <kidx> Gnome is junk to be honest.
[17:27] <holstein> kidx: you can search/read and remove all doubt
[17:27] <kidx> all doubt of what gnome be junk
[17:28] <holstein> kidx: when you say "i think".. you can just read and know
[17:28] <holstein> also, some volunteers here might be responsible for maintaining or developing gnome
[17:29] <kidx> you do know I think is my opinon or saying somthing and does not mean i am always right some times i am unsure.
[17:29] <kidx> but from what I read its Gnome who developed it withc explains the issues.
[17:29] <holstein> im sure no one would mind if you state your opinions aobut gnome in a proper off-topic channel such as #xubuntu-offtopic ,but saying its junk is a statement of opinion
[17:30] <kidx> well this is leading me here to support when my taskbar apps scroll any how
[17:31] <holstein> and if you can elaborate on what you think is causing it, im sure we can help
[17:32] <kidx> that I don't know my guess is code conflicts or an error in code any thing can be the cause really.
[17:35] <holstein> kidx: sure, but what code? what app? is it configured correctly? is it in the main repos?
[17:35] <kidx> what you mean configured correctly explain
[17:35] <holstein> i would say, next time it happens, come here or an XFCE channel and try and recall what led up to the issue
[17:35] <kidx> oh
[17:36] <kidx> I had more apps opened than the taskbar can handel then it done that
[17:36] <kidx> so now to avoid that I dont open as many windows casue the task bar dont extend well
[17:38] <holstein> you can buttonize them, or group similar ones.. or dont use that panel, or pager
[17:39] <holstein> kidx: everything is customizable. if you dont like the functionality of a part, you can usually easily change it, or swap the part out
[17:43] <kidx> how i grpups similar onse
[17:43] <holstein> kidx: i find those settings in the right-click menu of that pager in the panel
[17:43] <holstein> "group similar tasks".. something like that
[17:45] <kidx> what you mean in the panel
[17:46] <holstein> kidx: the xfce panel where the pager is.. down where those icons that i think you are refering to appear
[17:50] <kidx> whats a pager?
[17:50] <holstein> kidx: well, im refering to the area where running applications are listed in the panel.. which is what i assume you are asking about
[17:51] <kidx> right click and go to preferences right
[17:51] <GridCube> "windows buttons" area
[17:51] <kidx> panel preferences
[17:52] <holstein> kidx: not the panel prefereces.. you might need to try a few time til you right click the proper setttins area
[17:52] <holstein> kidx: that is the correct general area though
[17:52] <kidx> what settings do i need again
[17:53] <kidx> got it
[17:53] <holstein> kidx: i would check the ones about grouping.. make sure those are as you want them to me
[20:17] <WhereIsMySpoon> Hi, anyone used skype with xubuntu/xfce here?
[20:17] <WhereIsMySpoon> http://imgur.com/A7SJC this is the ui i get :S
[20:18] <WhereIsMySpoon> http://imgur.com/k90QP another screeny :L
[20:19] <holstein> WhereIsMySpoon: i use it all the time
[20:19] <WhereIsMySpoon> holstein: with xfce?
[20:19] <knome> WhereIsMySpoon, isn't that what you asked?
[20:19] <holstein> sure.. with all of them.. i would look at the version you are using.. reinstall
[20:20] <WhereIsMySpoon> knome: just checking
[20:20] <WhereIsMySpoon> holstein: i tried both from the repos and the deb from skype's website
[20:20] <WhereIsMySpoon> holstein: this is newly installed
[20:20] <WhereIsMySpoon> holstein: skype 4.1 for linux
[20:21] <holstein> WhereIsMySpoon: i might try as a different user, to take my config out of the equation.... you can try with another DE if you feel it is xfce related
[20:21] <holstein> sorry.. i gotta run
[20:21] <WhereIsMySpoon> holstein: np thanks
[22:13] <ohyran333> Hi. I've had some long winded and rather weird issues with my laptop screen aswell as booting into xubuntu (balancing deamons are involved)
[22:15] <ohyran333> To cut a long story short its basicly an issue of the Asus UX32VD, intel graphics and the internal monitor not being accepted (unless I do like nomodeset and i915.modeset=0 in which case the whole thing freezes mid-boot)
[22:38] <Zelouille> Hello. I'm trying to make a desktop for my grand mother. She has never used a computer, so, i'm trying to keep it simple, readable, and fixed.
[22:40] <Zelouille> Because it's for a eeePC, i'd like to put maximus on it. But it doesn't seams to work all the time with xfce. Does someone get it to work properly ?
[22:41] <knome> Zelouille, i don't think how well that's supposed to work
[22:42] <knome> Zelouille, i'd probably do an even simpler interface
[22:42] <knome> remove pretty much all panels, only add large icons on the desktop (you can control the icon size)
[22:44] <Zelouille> knome, in fact, that's work quite well. But not the first time you launch an application.
[22:44] <knome> i've no experience with maximus
[22:50] <Zelouille> knome, yes, for now, i have : large icons, one-clic interface, no drag & drop. A only a top panel with a desktop shortcut, taskbar, indicators, and a close button (can close applications, and shutdown the computer when no more apps). I'm gonna look for xfce kiosk mode too.
[22:51] <knome> i'd probably lose the indicators.
[22:51] <knome> and the close button in favor of one on the desktop
[22:52] <knome> i've done a few of this kind of installations, and non-technical people really don't need the close button on the panel
[22:52] <knome> they will just close any application anyway
[22:52] <knome> so better not clutter the interface
[23:04] <Zelouille> yeah, i surely drop the indicators in the first time. Not a bad idea to put the shutdown button on the desktop too.
[23:04] <Zelouille> But, well, the close button replace the one from the window-decoration. But, when there is no more apps in sight, the button will open the shutdown popup.
[23:05] <knome> Zelouille, right, then that makes sense
[23:05] <knome> Zelouille, you probably want to uninstall apport too, so you gm won't get notifications of crashed applications
[23:06] <knome> Zelouille, some with updates. i assume she has internet, so just install an ssh server and update remotely
[23:06] <knome> *same
[23:19] <Zelouille> knome, thanks, nice idea for apport. Yes i will do update myself too.
[23:21] <Zelouille> knome, there are three images, if you want to see what it looks like with maximus : http://fabule.dyndns.org:8000/virtualbox/mamie/
[23:24] <knome> Zelouille, np, and not bad at all :)
[23:25] <knome> Zelouille, i think i'm actually going to write a blog article about this some time (hopefully before the new year), thanks for the extra boost of motivation :)
[23:27] <knome> Zelouille, if you want to read it, it'll appear in http://open.knome.fi/ sooner or later :)
[23:35] <Zelouille> knome, haha, you're welcome. Thanks for the link, i'll read it the day it'll come. There is a lot of things to do to simplify a desktop, but not often very documented.


[16:19] <ashams> os_, hi o/
[17:33] <MohamedAlaa98> ashams: hello
[17:33] <MohamedAlaa98> :)
[19:04] <bahaa2008> anyone here ?
[19:34] <ashams_> bahaa2008, hi o/ :)
[19:39] <ashams> seiflotfy, awesome improvments to zg, waiting for the next
[19:39] <ashams> :P
[19:39] <seiflotfy> ashams: bigger news
[19:39] <seiflotfy> zeitgeist is now in gnome
[19:39] <seiflotfy> check my blog post
[20:17] <ashams> seiflotfy, well, I'm sure things will get much comfortable this way


[00:27] <cjwatson> wgrant: So, I spent most of today rethinking my plans for by-hash and sketching an implementation.
[00:28] <cjwatson> As you may remember, my initial plan was to do a quick-and-dirty thing with links in the filesystem, but keeping track of superseded dates exactly correctly was getting tricky, and I eventually decided that if I was going to do dodgy database-in-filesystem things then maybe I should just use that database I hear we have.
[00:30] <cjwatson> It then occurred to me that with a very small generalisation the same table could also be useful to fill in the remaining bits that the DB doesn't yet know about in preparation for diskless archives.
[00:33] <cjwatson> So my plan is to have ArchiveFile (archive NOT NULL, distro_series, pocket, path NOT NULL, libraryfile NOT NULL, scheduled_deletion_date).  Files that are indexed by a Release file get distro_series and pocket set; when they cease being the current version they get scheduled_deletion_date set to now + a stay of execution; by-hash is synced with the contents of this table for the relevant (archive, distro_series, pocket).
[00:34] <cjwatson> In possibly the nearish future, we can also overhaul all the other stuff that directly writes misc files under the archive root to also stuff it into the librarian and add ArchiveFile rows (with distro_series and pocket NULL, since in those cases the files aren't indexed and don't need by-hash tracking).
[00:36] <cjwatson> Then the main remaining bit of diskless archives would be a caching proxy that proxies pool to obvious stuff, dists/**/by-hash to (ArchiveFile, LFA, LFC) lookups, everything else to ArchiveFile lookups.
[00:36] <cjwatson> Do you see any issues with this plan?
[00:37] <cjwatson> The part of it required for by-hash is fairly straightforward, but I find it appealing that it's a stepping stone to better PPA publishing rather than a bodge that we'll have to clean up later.
[00:41] <wgrant> cjwatson: That's where I was hoping this would lead.
[00:41] <wgrant> But it requires that we be somewhat more thoughtful about the schema.
[00:42] <wgrant> Custom uploads, for example, should be possible using this means.
[00:42] <cjwatson> By all means.  I think they are with this; what have I missed?
[00:43] <cjwatson> ("path" here is a relative path from the archive root.)
[00:43] <wgrant> cjwatson: They certainly fit into that schema, but there are probably other things that are useful.
[00:43] <wgrant> If only a text column that describes who owns the file.
[00:44] <cjwatson> Is there a meaningful notion of ownership here other than the archive owner?
[00:44] <cjwatson> Or am I being too literal?
[00:44] <wgrant> For example, something that gardens old d-i uploads could find all the weird files whose owner is custom:debian-installer:$VERSION, then work out the versions that should be alive and prune the rest.
[00:44] <wgrant> owner in terms of component that manages them.
[00:44] <cjwatson> Ah, I see.
[00:45] <wgrant> Rather than the weird path-based stuff we have now.
[00:45] <wgrant> Which is, err, error-prone.
[00:46] <wgrant> I avoided mentioning the obvious diskless archive relevance to not tempt you down a rabbit hole unless you were already rather tempted, but here we are :P
[00:47] <cjwatson> I suppose then the "owner" of an AF that represents something indexed in a Release file might be the suite name.  (No particularly obvious version; we just need to keep everything superseded less than stay-of-execution ago, and anything that's active.)
[00:47] <cjwatson> We don't especially have to have the DS FK.
[00:47] <wgrant> Indeed
[00:47] <wgrant> I have long eanted to remove DDes from the publisher
[00:47] <wgrant> DSes
[00:51] <cjwatson> In my case this was not so much rabbit hole as "oh my god I am fed up juggling links".
[00:52] <cjwatson> But it looks as though it requires at least a bit of checking what the path through the hole looks like.
[00:53] <wgrant> Indeed
[00:53] <wgrant> this is, however, a tractable rabbithole
[00:53] <wgrant> unlike caveats :)
[00:54] <cjwatson> Er quite
[00:54] <cjwatson> I do plan to get back to that, but by-hash has a harder time limit and is less soul-destroying
[00:54] <wgrant> in better news, i almost have HTTP mirroring working
[00:55] <wgrant> bit more complicated in this architecture than the other variants
[00:55] <cjwatson> Does that imply you have it working in the simpler protocols?
[00:55] <wgrant> working enough to proceed
[00:56] <cjwatson> Nice, I didn't realise you were that far along.
[00:56] <cjwatson> Which of the two paths?
[00:57] <wgrant> basically a new turnip-fetch service alongside receive-pack and upload-pack. You send the ferch command in your request to turnip, then plug the connection into the remote upload-pack however you desire
[00:58] <wgrant> no egress from turnip required, and yoy can handle all the nasty auth bits on your vridging client thing
[01:02] <cjwatson> Perfect, assuming the bridging client is a roughly known quantity.
[01:02] <cjwatson> OK, so I think the above requires me to go through custom uploads and sketch out how they could work against AF with distro_series, pocket -> some-better-name-than-owner.  Other than that I think the changes would not need to be extensive.  The only other oddities are Release etc. themselves (trivial), project/ (ditto), and indices/ (maybe want to be loosely associated with a suite so we can ditch old indices more easily, and we ...
[01:02] <cjwatson> ... should probably start handling them in the publisher rather than in u-a-p, but otherwise do not present difficulties).
[01:03] <wgrant> the bridging client just needs to establish the connection to both ends and cross the streams
[01:03] <cjwatson> My sketch impl needs a couple of small changes for that schema adjustment but not much.  The serious work I still need to do is making it not be a eye-bleeding megamethod.
[01:03] <cjwatson> *an
[01:03] <wgrant> which in all cases except HTTP (and SSH due to auth) is trivial
[01:04] <wgrant> HTTP is complicated by stateless-rpc being undocumented
[01:04] <wgrant> but luckily there is code and tcpdump
[01:10] <wgrant> cjwatson: indices/ is handled by a thing on snakefruit replacing them over the API.
[01:10] <wgrant> Pruning old series is simple because the not-owner field includes series details.
[01:11] <cjwatson> The publisher already knows about having them in overrideroot and u-a-p just copies them; I think it makes more sense to do that directly in the publisher, although it's true that it could be done either way.
[01:12] <wgrant> Ah, true.
[01:20] <cjwatson> wgrant: Speaking of publisher hacks, could you have a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/dep11-mtime/+merge/288757 ?
[01:35] <wgrant> cjwatson: Yep, on my list. Was off yesterday, and dealing with gpg/git this morning.
[01:39]  * cjwatson nods


[02:46] <jobot> hello I am not able to run any juju commands in 16.04
[02:46] <jobot> command not found
[02:52] <lathiat> jobot: on 16.04 there are two juju packages, juju-1.25 and juju-2.0.  the juju-1.25 package now contains the command 'juju-1'
[02:52] <lathiat> jobot: you can install juju-1-default to link it to 'juju'
[02:52] <jobot> ah thanks
[02:53] <lathiat> or you can also export PATH=/usr/lib/juju-1.25:$PATH
[02:53] <lathiat> or just use it as 'juju-1' which is the recommendation going forward
[02:54] <jobot> thank you. does that mean juju-2.0 will be 'juju' or will it be 'juju-2' ?
[19:25] <ejat> anyone can help me with this error : http://paste.ubuntu.com/16614114/
[19:51] <rick_h_> ejat: ah folks were working on that last week
[19:52] <rick_h_> ejat: something with dns in thwre and rabbimq not working
[19:53] <rick_h_> ejat: can you email that to the list? i know a couple of folks were working on it but they're not here atm


[14:47] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Is there any way you can get the logs to falktx on https://github.com/jackaudio/jack2/issues/776 ? As you know, I'm out and can't exactly do that.
[20:35] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I will do what I can. I can't switch versions to 17 or 18.
[20:57] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: I might be able to build a special PPA with 17 which we can use to test, but probably won't be until I get back. I have a little time right now and am back in the land of internet connections.
[20:58] <OvenWerks> I am pretty busy till tuesday anyway.
[20:59] <OvenWerks> Birthday in the house, wife's weekend, etc.
[21:02] <Eickmeyer> Fair, fair.


[00:38] <Sarvatt> do chroot problems on launchpad automatically give back builds? no retry button and everything tormod uploaded an hour ago failed on amd64
[04:03] <Sarvatt> looks like nouveau isn't working on 2.6.32-7 because a modalias for vga16fb was added to match all gpus just after gpu modules get checked, but nouveau builds later and is at the end of the list
[04:04] <Sarvatt> in /lib/modules/2.6.32-7-generic/modules.alias
[04:07] <Sarvatt> guess I should bring that up in #ubuntu-kernel instead :D
[04:12] <Sarvatt> also with the udev stuff in xserver, Amaranth is having his applesmc (accelerometer) getting recognized as a joystick and moving his mouse
[04:34] <Sarvatt> ack, that vga16fb change in 2.6.32-7 is making ALL kms stop working
[04:39] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Want to try my 2.6.32-7 kernel that builds nouveau in-tree?  _That_ works :)
[04:40] <RAOF> Amaranth: Can you now control your mouse by orienting your laptop?  Sweet!
[04:40] <Amaranth> RAOF: heck yeah
[04:41] <Sarvatt> RAOF: the bug actually is the vga16fb change making _all_ KMS stop working on 2.6.32-7
[04:41] <Amaranth> oh, and pommed can control my backlight when using KMS so I guess whatever it does needs to be ported to the kernel to provide backlight support
[04:41] <Sarvatt> radeon nouveau and intel
[04:41] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Which is strange, because my 2.6.32-7 kernel appears to work fine?
[04:41] <Amaranth> and I have to use KMS now since the intel driver doesn't support anything else
[04:41] <RAOF> Is this a newer kernel than 2.6.32-7.10?
[04:41] <Sarvatt> yeah it will if your userspace works with UMS
[04:42] <Sarvatt> xorg-edgers intel doesnt have UMS support anymore :(
[04:42] <Amaranth> right, which is alright since pommed works for my backlight
[04:43] <Sarvatt> sudo cat /sys/module/i915/parameters/modeset
[04:43] <Sarvatt> or radeon or nouveau instead of i915
[04:43] <Amaranth> Sarvatt: -1
[04:43] <Sarvatt> yep UMS :(
[04:43] <Amaranth> err, what?
[04:43] <Sarvatt> it would be 1 if you were using KMS
[04:44] <Amaranth> I can assure you I'm using KMS, my terminals look awesome
[04:44] <Amaranth> and if I boot with i915.modeset=0 I can't even get X
[04:44] <Amaranth> oh, and VT switching just crashed my fonts :/
[04:44] <Sarvatt> are you using xorg-edgers or ubuntu?
[04:44] <Amaranth> xorg-edgers
[04:45] <Sarvatt> dmesg | grep inteldrmfb
[04:45] <Sarvatt> says its loaded?
[04:45] <Amaranth> I can't tell what you said
[04:45] <Amaranth> [    2.212605] fb0: inteldrmfb frame buffer device
[04:46] <Amaranth> I can't tell what I said either
[04:46] <Amaranth> is that good?
[04:48] <Amaranth> oddly the fonts in chromium still look just fine
[04:48] <Sarvatt> yep, must be something else about it then
[04:48] <Sarvatt> i can't use 2.6.32-7, having that fb1 as a vga16fb screws things up
[04:49] <Sarvatt> oh yeah, that applesmc being a joystick thing is supposed to be a _feature_ :D
[04:49] <Sarvatt> i guess there was a hal fdi filtering it out or something before?
[04:50] <Sarvatt> googled it and people wanted to use it as a joystick for neverball
[04:50] <Amaranth> yeah, must have been a hal thing filtering it
[04:50] <Amaranth> brb, restarting X
[04:52] <Amaranth> ah, there we go
[04:52] <Amaranth> I blindly trusted what you told me to run in a terminal, couldn't read it at all :P
[04:53] <Sarvatt> inteldrmfb = a KMS framebuffer, it wouldn't say that if you didnt have KMS working
[04:54] <Amaranth> yeah
[04:55] <Amaranth> oh, fun fact, X crashes 2 or 3 times every time gdm tries to start
[04:55] <Amaranth> then it loads but if I type my password incorrectly it crashes a couple more times
[04:55]  * Amaranth wonders where apport is
[04:58] <RAOF> Still disabled in Lucid, isn't it?
[04:59] <Amaranth> yeah, that's going to be bad
[04:59] <Amaranth> alpha 1 is going to be worthless wrt to people finding crashes
[04:59] <Amaranth> anyway, bed time for me
[05:00] <Sarvatt> RAOF: i think its something specific to that guys hardware he's using nouveau on, the vga16fb doesn't interfere with nouveau KMS here, just checked it
[05:53] <Sarvatt> hyperair: got an magic fixes for a wildly unstable geany? :D
[05:57] <hyperair> Sarvatt: what's up with geany?
[06:00] <Sarvatt> crashing when i build 1/10 times or so, getting Gtk:ERROR:/build/buildd/gtk+2.0-2.19.1/gtk/gtkfilesystemmodel.c:295:emit_row_changed_for_node: assertion failed: (id < (model)->files->len)
[06:01] <Sarvatt> maybe it just needs a rebuild against the new gtk+
[06:02] <Sarvatt> building the newest svn anyway, hoping that works
[06:07] <Sarvatt> nope :(
[06:08] <hyperair> looks like a gtk issue O_o
[06:08] <hyperair> i haven't noticed anything of this sort
[11:59] <seb128> hey there
[11:59] <seb128> does anybody know what code read locale.alias? and why that's done several time?
[11:59] <seb128> oe
[12:00] <seb128> ie
[12:00] <seb128> $ strace -e open xeyes 2>&1 | grep locale.alias
[12:00] <seb128> open("/usr/share/X11/locale/locale.alias", O_RDONLY) = 4
[12:00] <seb128> open("/usr/share/X11/locale/locale.alias", O_RDONLY) = 4
[12:00] <seb128> open("/usr/share/locale/locale.alias", O_RDONLY) = 4
[12:00] <seb128> ...
[12:05] <seb128> hum, same question about .ICEauthority
[12:37] <tjaalton> seb128: the latter is gnome specific AIUI
[12:37] <tjaalton> locale.alias comes from libx11
[14:13] <seb128> tjaalton, the .ICEauthority comes from libICE
[14:16] <tjaalton> seb128: heh, ok
[18:01] <tjaalton> heh, linus demands redhat to merge nouveau drm in the kernel
[18:01] <tjaalton> on dri-devel@
[18:19] <Sarvatt> ohh i gotta check that thread out :D
[18:36] <Amaranth> heh, less flames from linus then I expected
[18:38] <Duke`> I often got freezes with recent drm when fast scrolling in firefox, is it a know issue?
[18:41] <tjaalton> Duke`: how recent? haven't heard of such
[18:42] <Duke`> well I haven't tracked this bug a lot, but if I remember it started to appear begining december
[18:42] <Duke`> I have to revert to 2009-11-25's version to get back driver stability
[18:43] <Duke`> when the problem happens, there's a ton of error messages in dmesg in relation with drm and gem, and the GPU is screwed
[18:43] <Duke`> I can still switch to another tty to reboot properly
[18:44] <tjaalton> on lucid?
[18:57]  * Amaranth should figure out what pommed is doing to change his brightness
[18:58] <Amaranth> Need to get that to the intel guys so they can make this all work without hacks
[19:04] <Sarvatt> we might even get nouveau in 2.6.33 at this rate :D
[19:16] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: yeah, I think Linus has a point..
[19:18] <Duke`> tjaalton, no on karmic
[19:18] <Duke`> 64 bits
[19:19] <tjaalton> Duke`: so a kernel update broke it?
[19:20] <tjaalton> best to file it against linux
[19:20] <tjaalton> and mention that it's a regression
[19:20] <Sarvatt> he's using edgers, intel has been really unstable since the beginning of november, alot of speedup related things really destabalizing things
[19:20] <Sarvatt> and getting reverted
[19:23] <tjaalton> ok
[19:24] <Sarvatt> Duke`: 11-25 works for you? you dont have really bad rendering problems with it? are you on a 965+ maybe?
[19:24] <Duke`> Sarvatt, no problem with it (945), but just the libdrm2 and libdrm-intel! I have the latest xorg-video-intel
[19:25] <Sarvatt> do you see alignment errors in dmesg?
[19:26] <Sarvatt> ah 11-25 is the oldest libdrm you could even possibly use with the intel ddx from git
[19:27] <Duke`> ah
[19:27] <Sarvatt> what kernel are you using?
[19:27] <Duke`> 2.6.32
[20:36] <Sarvatt> tormod: if you read the ubuntu-x log before you push some updates I updated the xserver hooks to grab the patches from people.ubuntu.com instead of my server, not sure if i'm going to renew the vps this year and it went down for a bit today
[21:06] <Sarvatt> oh the irony of the patch name in #xorg-devel :D
[22:29] <Sarvatt> only 91 more places to change 185 to 195 in debian/ for a new nvidia package now, yay
[22:31] <johanbr> :)
[22:31] <johanbr> I hope you're using sed
[22:32] <Sarvatt> if i did i wouldnt see all these other dependency versions that need to be bumped in control
[22:32] <Sarvatt> Conflicts: nvidia-glx-180 (<< 185.18.32)....
[22:33] <Sarvatt> 185 is called Source: nvidia-graphics-drivers-180.. so convoluted
[22:35] <Sarvatt> tempted to just call it nvidia-graphics-drivers-180 (185.18.36+really195.22) for the PPA to make it easy :)
[22:41] <Sarvatt> oh dang, nvidia-settings never even got bumped in karmic even though the xv values changed and it was screwing it up huh
[22:46] <johanbr> yikes... when I tried to switch to a tty, nouveau wedged the card hard enough that I had to install the blob to get back to a working state
[22:49] <superm1> Sarvatt, i thought you just have to change it in one place, and it updates all the others?
[22:49] <superm1> at least that's how it's supposed to work...
[22:49] <superm1> I personally think that package needs some major cleanup though.
[22:49] <RAOF> johanbr: Sweet.  Is that with or without vga16fb loaded?
[22:50] <johanbr> RAOF, not sure... whatever the default is, probably
[22:51] <johanbr> I didn't mess with any frame buffer modules myself, anyway
[22:51] <RAOF> johanbr: If you're using Lucid's current kernel, then it's loading vga16fb, and if that gets loaded first it makes nouveau quite unhappy.
[22:51] <johanbr> I am using the current Lucid kernel
[22:52] <Sarvatt> if i'm not misunderstanding how it builds that only works right for the same major version? (like 185.xx to 185.yy)
[22:52] <johanbr> but I had nouveau working well... this was in X, after having done several suspend/resume cycles
[22:52] <RAOF> Then vga16fb probably made nouveau quite unhappy, by writing stuff to the card behind its back.
[22:52] <johanbr> ahh, okay
[22:52] <Sarvatt> i mean its got stuff to update the dependencies in the .in's but nothing changes the names of the actual packages or anything in all these files that i can see
[22:52] <johanbr> so vga16fb wouldn't necessarily interfere with X operation?
[22:53] <RAOF> No; although it appeared to sometimes cause corrupted EXA in X for me.
[22:53] <johanbr> alright... I'll try blacklisting vga16fb
[22:53] <RAOF> Some boots it would work fine, some boots all sorts of icons would be replaced by random parts of the framebuffer.
[22:53] <superm1> Sarvatt, we really should get it to the point that it doesn't need those values hardcoded in so many places
[22:54] <Sarvatt> someone in #ubuntu+1 last night couldn't even boot unless he disabled vga16fb on his machine.. it works ok on mine but i havent tried to vt switch yet actually
[22:54] <superm1> i think it's ridiculous to have to update so much for simply a newer version
[22:54]  * RAOF just deleted the module.
[22:57] <Sarvatt> its screwing up alot of people using sketchy PPA packages (because its so hard to update) then upgrading their ubuntu version and having it mess up too, seen a ton of bugs where thats happened and people blame ubuntu for it
[22:57] <superm1> yup, i don't doubt it
[22:58] <RAOF> I should ask apw whether there's anything more I can usefully do to help get nouveau in lucid's kernel.  Then, make nouveau magically as good a 3d driver as nvidia, then we drop the blob, and have cake!
[23:00] <Sarvatt> nouveau is going to cause 100x more problems than there already are, I think its crazy to switch to the headache that is nouveau just for people to install the blob personally lol
[23:01] <Sarvatt> only works with KMS on some generations but not others, doesnt support old nvidia, if it was me I'd rather just use vesa for the initial install until I could install the blob
[23:03] <Sarvatt> if it actually supported more cards than -nv maybe..
[23:03] <Sarvatt> or we had gallium packaged :)
[23:05] <Sarvatt> is the blob packaging in git or bzr anywhere?
[23:05]  * Sarvatt doesn't understand the point of this debian.binary folder
[23:05] <RAOF> Sarvatt: My understanding is that it _does_ support more cards than nv?  Doesn't support old nvidia?  You mean pre TNT2?
[23:12] <Sarvatt> i haven't compared the detection to nv's in 6 months or so but it didnt before, and yeah i mean those old cards and IGP's we have patched into and working -nv
[23:16] <RAOF> Nouveau doesn't have the same detection code; it doesn't rely on a list of PCIIDs like nv does.  It's entirely possible that nouveau is significantly worse on IGPs, though; I've not had experience there, but they seem more problematic.
[23:16] <Sarvatt> nv doesn't either in the actual driver, thats a debian packaging thing
[23:17] <RAOF> Oh, that's just so X will actually load nv?
[23:18] <Sarvatt> yeah it has a big list of pci ids that debian/ubuntu pull the pci.ids out of but theres a further section that has entire ranges of pci ids that can be used generically based on generation and another section that looks behind an agp/pci-e bridge chip pci id that gets reported to see the actual chips id
[23:24] <Sarvatt> i have no idea what everythings like now though, been a long time since i looked at it. fedora has a xserver patch with all the special pci id range exceptions they do for nouveau though, would dig it up if it didnt take a year to load their cvs on an atom cpu :D
[23:29] <Sarvatt> hmm, guess nouveau did have some problems with vga16fb.. [   24.304799] [drm:drm_mode_getfb] *ERROR* invalid framebuffer id and in the xorg log [    1.476598] (WW) NOUVEAU(0): Failed to retrieve fbcon fb: id 0