[00:05] <truepurple> distracted by tech support
[00:23] <truepurple> head_victim: Are you still there? I still can't get sound to work
[00:23] <head_victim> truepurple: do both devices show up in the sound preferences?
[00:24] <truepurple> What do you mean "both devices"?
[00:26] <head_victim> You have 2 audio devices, one onboard the other in your video card to provide hdmi audio
[00:27] <truepurple> yeah I got both
[00:27] <truepurple> And I seem to have sound now, not sure what I did
[00:27] <truepurple> Just happened out of the blue
[00:28] <head_victim> Ok, maybe you switched defaults or something
[00:28] <truepurple> but I am still having video card problems
[00:29] <head_victim> Ok have you worked through that link I gave earlier? Because it's much more informative than I can be unfortunately. I have never used ATI cards so I don't really know where else to go. So I'd try that link I gave, if not maybe there is someone else in here that has an ATI card and can help? Anyone?
[00:34] <truepurple> head_victim: When it says "$ cd ~/; mkdir catalyst11.5; cd catalyst11.5/
[00:34] <truepurple> $ wget http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-11-5-x86.x86_64.run
[00:34] <truepurple> $ chmod +x ati-driver-installer-11-5-x86.x86_64.run"
[00:34] <truepurple> Are we suppose to put those dollar signs in as part of the commands?
[00:34] <philipballew> no
[00:34] <head_victim> No, that just shows it is at a prompt
[00:35] <head_victim> And doesn't require sudo
[00:35] <truepurple> So just copy and paste the lines one by one minus command prompts?
[00:35] <head_victim> That shold work
[00:35] <head_victim> Hold up
[00:35] <head_victim> Updating Catalyst/fglrx
[00:35] <head_victim> DO NOT try to install a new version over an old one. Follow the 'Removing the Driver' section below to remove your existing driver, and then you can start at 'Downloading the latest Catalyst' to install the new one.
[00:36] <head_victim> Maybe they should put that section BEFORE the install instructions rather than after ;)
[00:36] <truepurple> Does that include what is installed automatically by addition drivers?
[00:37] <head_victim> Yes
[00:37] <truepurple> Create .deb packages-> that applies to me?
[00:37] <truepurple> So I am suppose to download it via additional drivers, uninstall that part of it, then reinstall it with this command? Other people who have said they have gone through this didn't mention anything this convoluted
[00:38] <head_victim> I would follow the "removing catalyst/fglrx" section then start at the top and work down to and including the "just in case" section
[00:39] <truepurple> But first I have to install via additional drivers, right?
[00:39] <head_victim> No, you said you already have done that and it didn't work.
[00:40] <head_victim> The removal instructions makes sure you don't have anything lingering around that could cause problems and then the installation will install newer drivers than what are currently available in the "additional drivers" in Ubuntu by default
[00:41] <truepurple> So will this install get autoupdated as though I got it from additional drivers?
[00:43] <head_victim> Probably not.
[00:44] <head_victim> But this is meant to be a much newer version
[00:44] <head_victim> The only other option is to see if there is a PPA you can use to get the latest version
[00:45] <truepurple> AFK for shower, its downloading and installing something anyway. What is PPA BTW?
[00:45] <UndiFineD> !ppa
[00:45] <ubot2> A Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and you use them at your own risk.
[00:46] <UndiFineD> using ppa can be dangerously unstable
[00:47] <head_victim> truepurple: I have to head off for a bit myself to get some shopping done. Hopefully that link works out for you, if not hopefully someone else here can pick up with helping you.
[00:48] <truepurple> So should I use a PPA or not, and how come other people can just install through additional drivers?
[00:49] <UndiFineD> yes that should be the way, but I dont have ATI myself, so it is hard for me to help you here
[00:50] <truepurple> Why though can someone else with the exact same video card and monitor just do it through additional drivers though?
[03:16] <Proz01d> i'm running ubuntu server 10.04 and i want to restore my default firewall settings.. i did back them up but when i went to restore the file was size 0
[03:20] <holstein> Proz01d: hello
[03:20] <holstein> check out https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/firewall.html
[03:21]  * holstein is browsing it
[03:22] <Proz01d> yeah i did
[03:22] <Proz01d> i had to disable everything to get my vpn tunnelling working
[03:23] <Proz01d> but wanted to restore some settings to make sure it's still secure
[03:25] <holstein> Proz01d: you have it out in the DMZ ?
[03:25] <holstein> *of your router?
[03:28] <Proz01d> yes
[03:29] <truepurple> It seems ubuntu sleep mode that automatically triggers when I am not at the keys, even with a active download, can screw up my internet connection, at least I think that is the cause
[03:29] <truepurple> How do I stop this?
[03:31] <holstein> truepurple: im not sure where the settings are in unity, but you are looking for power management
[03:32] <truepurple> But how do I get it so it does suspend, but ongoing download or install does not count as inactivity to the system?
[03:33] <holstein> hmmm, not sure about that
[03:33] <holstein> i just dont have my computer do things on its own
[03:34] <truepurple> Instead you sit and stare at a install or download screen when you have other things you need to do?
[03:34] <holstein> they'll always be some kind of internet traffic
[03:34] <holstein> truepurple: ?
[03:34] <holstein> i just download things
[03:34] <holstein> and leave the computer running
[03:44] <Proz01d> how do i update ubuntu from the command line?
[03:44] <Proz01d> i did sudo apt-get update
[03:44] <holstein> Proz01d: sudo apt-get update
[03:44] <holstein> then sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:44] <Proz01d> is that it?
[03:45] <Proz01d> okay..
[03:45] <Proz01d> sweet
[03:45] <holstein> Proz01d: i think, if you have that box outside in the DMZ, you might want to think about shorewall
[03:46] <holstein> the few server guys ive talked to really like it
[03:46] <Proz01d> i need to keep things lightweight as i don't have very much cpu / ram
[03:46] <Proz01d> so the fewer programs the better
[03:47] <holstein> sure
[03:47] <holstein> im thinking it might be as simple as resetting the iptables info
[03:47] <holstein> *to default
[04:06] <Proz01d> holstein: how do you do that?
[04:07] <holstein> Proz01d: im just googling around, so you should ask someone else first maybe
[04:07] <holstein> but, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217085
[05:04] <Proz01d> holstein thanks i'll take a look
[05:04] <holstein> Proz01d: sure
[05:06] <Proz01d> i think i'll just boot my vm and check ...
[07:06] <duanedeisgn> it was once termed black wakk street abd tgeb burned the ground while national guard heklpicoters and state opolice improsioned all the Frican Naricans in the PVILLIONsomeone  having ati gra[hics porblrms?
[07:07] <duanedeisgn> lol
[07:07] <duanedeisgn> igeore that \
[07:08] <duanedeisgn> tryinti watv=ch family guy at the szme tume
[07:08] <duanedeisgn> tryinti watv=ch family guy at the szme tume/5
[07:09] <s7nf> guys, is it possible to have both gnome and unity dektops? So i can change between them on the fly
[07:12] <head_victim> s7nf: the closest you will get is having them both installed and having to log out of one and back into another
[07:13] <head_victim> I'm not sure if that's "on the fly" enough or not though
[07:14] <s7nf> ok, that's enough. So what do I do? Can I have unity on my ubuntu 10.10?
[07:18] <duanedeisgn> 5/5
[07:26] <head_victim> s7nf: I've done some research, it should be as simple as "sudo apt-get install unity" or just looking for the unity package in your favourite gui installation program
[07:27] <head_victim> The only thing is it might be the netbook version which I'm not 100% is the same or not
[07:30] <s7nf> head_victim, seems so, but i've also found this http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/05/unity-2d-ppa-for-ubuntu-10-10-users/ which says that you need a port to maverick, the unity 2D
[07:32] <head_victim> s7nf: seems like you may be right, that points to http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/11/unity-compiz-wont-be-backported-to-maverick/ so that unity package is probably the netbook one
[07:33] <s7nf> head_victim, thx for your helps, I think I'll just wait for a bit more
[07:33] <head_victim> Or try upgrading to 11.04 :)
[07:38] <s7nf> head_victim, is it stable enough?
[07:43] <head_victim> s7nf: I've not tried it personally haven't had the time to upgrade on this machine and my other machine runs lts's
[10:12] <KinkyPinkie> hey again! i'm trying to mount my ios4 to 10.10 and following http://www.webupd8.org/2010/12/get-ios4-mountsync-working-in-ubuntu.html. it tells me to do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, and I read somewhere that it will upgrade my installation to narwhal :/
[10:12] <KinkyPinkie> is it safe without getting 11.04?
[10:32] <KinkyPinkie> nvm acctually. it didnt do much.  cant seem to mount still though
[11:23] <coalwater> KinkyPinkie, you don't need to upgrade if you don't want to, a lot of people are still using 10.10
[11:24] <KinkyPinkie> yea, it was allright :) thanks
[11:31] <stlsaint> kinkypinkie.....interesting
[11:32] <bioterror> :D
[12:02] <KinkyPinkie> stlsaint: ?
[12:03] <stlsaint> KinkyPinkie: yes?
[12:03] <KinkyPinkie> interresting what?
[12:03] <stlsaint> nick
[12:03] <KinkyPinkie> o
[12:03] <stlsaint> KinkyPinkie: care to share where you are from?
[12:04] <KinkyPinkie> i'm from norway. my classmates started cailling me that when I dyed my hair pink again
[12:04] <KinkyPinkie> calling*
[12:04] <stlsaint> oh ok
[12:04]  * philinux likes pink
[12:05] <KinkyPinkie> ;D
[12:06]  * stlsaint is going to walk away safely.....
[12:07] <stlsaint> maybe ill just stick to nina :D
[12:07] <KinkyPinkie> hehe, call me what you like, hilight is nice tho:p
[12:09] <stlsaint> call you hilight?
[12:09] <KinkyPinkie> the irssi hilight:P
[12:10] <stlsaint> ah you use irssi?
[12:10] <KinkyPinkie> mm
[12:10] <bioterror> norsk!
[12:10] <KinkyPinkie> weee
[12:10] <stlsaint> bioterror: man i try so hard to understand what you talk about on facebook but ima need more english outta you o_O
[12:10] <KinkyPinkie> rbk
[12:11] <bioterror> stlsaint, hahaha :)
[12:11] <stlsaint> bioterror: lol i had to have the same convo with pablorubianes !!
[12:12] <stlsaint> KinkyPinkie: what brings ya to the BT? friend, forums, ?
[12:12] <stlsaint> TheDaniel0108: poke
[12:13] <stlsaint> Maratich: hello
[12:13] <Maratich> hi
[12:13] <TheDaniel0108> stlsaint: hi
[12:13] <bioterror> stlsaint, she heard that we have here one matthew!
[12:13] <stlsaint> bioterror: thats good enough reason for me
[12:14] <stlsaint> TheDaniel0108: hey, i dont think we have ever spoken and i have a few quiet minutes here so saying hello to all the folks i dont know
[12:14] <stlsaint> Maratich: ^^
[12:14] <bioterror> stlsaint, rich oil sheikh ;)
[12:14] <TheDaniel0108> stlsaint: I'm Daniel0108 :P
[12:14] <stlsaint> ohai
[12:15] <KinkyPinkie> stlsaint: I just didnt know people who could help me with linux problems i had, and google didnt quite help me out much rather than showing me ubuntu beginners. didnt know it was like a club or something :p
[12:15] <Maratich> странно, ну ладно...
[12:15] <stlsaint> bioterror: HA (its funny cause i dont know what sheikh means)
[12:15] <stlsaint> KinkyPinkie: no club in this channel, just love :D
[12:15] <KinkyPinkie> wee love<3
[12:16] <stlsaint> ima get a script that turns all non-english lettering into emoticons
[12:16] <TheDaniel0108> this is not an off-topic channel, lol
[12:16] <TheDaniel0108> #ubuntu-beginners-team is off-topic ;)
[12:16] <KinkyPinkie> wohoo even better! troll-playground
[12:16] <bioterror> stlsaint, it's a guy with funny towel around his head and they throw money :D http://termite.apcdn.com/full/40736.gif
[12:16]  * KinkyPinkie is quite the troll
[12:17] <stlsaint> KinkyPinkie: we use the ban hammer on trolls :P
[12:17] <KinkyPinkie> D:
[12:17]  * KinkyPinkie will behave :) got enough tards to troll in other channels anyway :p
[12:17] <bioterror> stlsaint, that gif rules :D
[12:17] <stlsaint> bioterror: LOL whoa
[12:17] <stlsaint> so suttle
[12:18]  * stlsaint is going to migrate before TheDaniel0108 writes a letter to council on me :P
[12:18] <Sidewinder1> !gr > Maratich
[12:18] <ubot2> Maratich, please see my private message
[12:18] <stlsaint> KinkyPinkie: that means moving in the off topic channel
[12:19] <KinkyPinkie> so where are you from, stlsaint ?:)
[12:19] <Maratich> !ru>Maratich
[12:19] <ubot2> Maratich, please see my private message
[12:19] <stlsaint> Maratich: just gonna message yourself ay?
[12:19] <Maratich> no, i'm Russian
[12:19] <Maratich> not greek
[12:20]  * stlsaint *whispers* ssshhhhhhh we cant talk here, must go to #ubuntu-beginners-team
[12:20] <Maratich> and nothing new ubot2 talks
[12:20] <Maratich> !ban Maratich
[12:20] <ubot2> Factoid 'ban Maratich' not found
[12:20] <Maratich> :(
[12:23] <Sidewinder1> Maratich, Sorry, I always have trouble differentiating between Cyrillic and Greek; maybe it's my fonts...
[12:23] <Sidewinder1> Or my eyes...
[12:23] <Maratich> :) dont worry
[15:15] <farrinux> Hello all
[15:26] <JackyAlcine> Afternoon farrinux
[15:30] <farrinux> afternoon
[15:31] <farrinux> Actually it's 9:31 am for me
[16:29] <newbuntu> hi
[16:30] <KinkyPinkie> hey
[16:31] <newbuntu> just checking out these channels for the first time
[16:31] <KinkyPinkie> welcome
[16:31] <newbuntu> thanks
[16:32] <newbuntu> kinda quiet out here
[16:32] <philinux> newbuntu: try joining #ubuntu
[16:33] <newbuntu> ok
[16:33] <philinux> newbuntu: it's crazy mind lol
[16:34] <holstein> newbuntu: #ubuntu-beginners-team is the OT, more social channel :)
[19:14] <beachbuddah> Hi all - reinstalled 10.10 on the wrong drive.  Now it says I don't have permission to remove the files.
[19:15] <bioterror> use sudo
[19:15] <beachbuddah> Additionally, can I retrieve any of the overwritten data from the disk from before it was formatted?
[19:15] <beachbuddah> I don't know what to say in the terminal
[19:19] <sattu94> beachbuddah: uh, b4 you overwrote, it said you wont be able to recover because you OVERWROTE it! :|
[19:20] <sattu94> beachbuddah: AFAIK theres no way u can recover the overwritten data!
[19:20] <beachbuddah> ok - figured I would ask
[19:21] <bioterror> hmmm
[19:21] <bioterror> photorec can dig something
[19:22] <beachbuddah> photorec a command or a program?
[19:22] <bioterror> something between
[19:23] <beachbuddah> k  - I'm at their website now
[19:24] <beachbuddah> thanks for the suggestion bioterror - I'll give it a try
[19:24] <sattu94> i gues it'll be able to recover only those parts that were not overwritten, but were just marked for overwriting in the future(therefore qualifying as free space)..
[19:24] <beachbuddah> right - I'm new and don't know the parameters of an Ubuntu format
[19:25] <sattu94> ?
[19:25] <beachbuddah> well - if it's like windows, then you can definitely recover formatted drives
[19:26] <beachbuddah> I wasn't sure if the formatting was more extensive in Ubuntu
[19:26] <sattu94> beachbuddah: tahts only true if u quick formatted it, it just marks everything as free space
[19:26] <sattu94> and overwrites later on when u want to use it.
[19:27] <sattu94> but in normal formatting it physically removes everything and then writes.
[19:27] <beachbuddah> then who knows - maybe everything I want back will be recoverable
[19:27] <sattu94> i dont think so. some part of that marked data will probably have been overwritten, other unoverwritten data will probably be in NTFS format,
[19:28] <sattu94> i.e. if you used windows earlier
[19:28] <sattu94> and since u r using ubuntu, that tool MIGHT not be able to recover NTFS
[19:28] <beachbuddah> hmmm - now that could be a problem
[19:29] <sattu94> however best of luck, may you get what you deserve..:D
[19:29] <beachbuddah> lol - thanks
[19:31] <bioterror> next time: double check
[19:40] <beachbuddah> bioterror - you're right - I was tired and impatient
[23:02] <Error404NotFound> you alive bioterror?
[23:03] <Error404NotFound> holstein:
[23:03] <Captainkrtek> hey Error404NotFound
[23:03] <Error404NotFound> ooh
[23:03] <Error404NotFound> i need yer flash thingy again
[23:04] <Error404NotFound> that was you yes?
[23:06] <Error404NotFound> Captainkrtek:
[23:06] <Captainkrtek> yes
[23:06] <Captainkrtek> http://rootzwiki.com/flash.sh
[23:07] <Captainkrtek> err
[23:07] <Captainkrtek> let me find it
[23:07] <Error404NotFound> sweet
[23:07] <Error404NotFound> i have another issue also
[23:07] <Error404NotFound> docky says it needs composting enabled
[23:07] <Error404NotFound> no idea what that is
[23:08] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFound, slashdev.org/flash.sh
[23:09] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFound, Ill look into that for you as well
[23:09] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFound, try this: gconftool-2 -s --type bool /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager true
[23:09] <Captainkrtek> then restart docky
[23:10] <Error404NotFound> wth
[23:10] <Error404NotFound> terminal?
[23:10] <Error404NotFound> ooh that worked
[23:14] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFound, great :-)
[23:16] <Error404NotFound> and flash works yay
[23:17] <Error404NotFound> you are genetically superior
[23:17] <Captainkrtek> hahaha
[23:21]  * Error404NotFound is in the proccess of transfering music from windows partition to linux
[23:21] <Error404NotFound> then i delete winders
[23:23] <Captainkrtek> very cool :)
[23:23] <Error404NotFound> on my laptop that is
[23:24] <Error404NotFound> not ready to eliminate windows from my desktop quite yet


[17:00] <ginggs> wgrant: I noticed the armhf huge autopkgtest queue drained, while 12 jobs still remaining in the regular queue  http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running#queue-ubuntu-cosmic-armhf - six of them were queued nearly 24 hours ago
[18:24] <ginggs> unblocked now


[11:36] <zniavre> good afternoon
[11:38] <zniavre> im looking for the way to modify the prelight of the play/stop button of sound-indicator
[17:19] <coz_> hey all
[19:16] <vish> haha! http://venturebeat.com/2011/04/15/screw-you-pay-me/


[00:45] <robru> renatu: ok we're back online if you need to build anything now
[00:47] <renatu> robru, thanks
[00:48] <robru> renatu: you're welcome
[01:19] <robru> AlbertA: hi, thanks for being among the first to try out the new train ;-) looks like there's a couple firewall issues stopping things from working, I've notified IS, hopefully will be resolved within an hour
[01:21] <AlbertA> robru: no prob. new site looks great!
[01:21] <robru> AlbertA: thanks!
[01:43] <bregma> robru, is there any change to landing a silo once the testing has passed?
[01:44] <robru> bregma: nope that part is the same for now. you need QA to approve (sometimes) and then you need me to hit publish
[01:44] <bregma> robru, ok, just making sure
[01:45] <robru> bregma: yeah the goal is to make it so that people can publish their own stuff too, but that's a ways off still
[05:16] <robru> AlbertA: ok wow, apologies on that horrible delay! retrying your build now, should be working: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-009-1-build/329/console
[06:32] <robru> michi: sorry about that dput failure, retried for you, should be working now: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-051-1-build/14/console
[06:33] <michi> robru: Hey, no problem! Thanks for picking it up on it. I figured that, with everything in flux, I’d just wait a while for things to settle down :)
[06:33] <michi> There was little point in shouting at you guys, I thought :)
[06:33] <robru> michi: yeah that was a scary 8 hours of downtime that should only have been 2 hours of downtime. but as far as I know everything is perfect now, so have at it ;-)
[06:34] <michi> The new stuff looks nice.
[06:34] <michi> I haven’t gone through the process of starting a new landing yet.
[06:34] <robru> michi: thanks! please email me with any improvement ideas you may have. I'm going to try to focus on papercuts over the next week or so
[06:34] <michi> But it sure looks easier than the spreadsheet.
[06:34] <michi> Will do, if I come across something that isn’t obvious.
[06:34] <robru> yeah
[06:34] <robru> michi: alright, 11:30 here, goodnight ;-0
[06:35] <michi> Well-deserved sleep coming up. Enjoy it! :)
[07:30] <jibel> robru, hey, just to confirm, the data from the spreadsheet won't be migrated to bileto?
[07:30] <robru> jibel: correct
[07:31] <robru> jibel: well maybe some of it, by hand, but generally no, they will coexist for a while
[07:32] <jibel> robru, that's fine, it's just to know where we should approve landing requests for cards already created.
[07:33] <robru> jibel: good luck! Email me if you have any questions about the api
[07:34] <jibel> robru, it should be all right, the API is easy to use and clear. Much simpler than scanning a spreadsheet :)
[07:35] <robru> jibel: hehe yeah.
[07:35] <robru> jibel: OK I'm just winding down, goodnight!
[07:36] <jibel> good night
[07:58] <jamesh> sil2100: fyi, we came up with a workaround for the thumbnailer gstreamer issues, so should be able to do a trunk landing with the gcc 5 fixes soon.
[07:59] <sil2100> jamesh: excellent, would like that ASAP
[08:00] <jamesh> cihelp: I got this error from the generic-land portion of an autolanding job: http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/generic-land/27514/console
[08:00] <psivaa> jamesh: let me take a look
[08:01] <seb128> jamesh, hey, is there a bug about that gstreamer issue?
[08:01] <jamesh> psivaa: everything built fine on the arch specific subjobs that preceded that bit
[08:02] <jamesh> seb128: I haven't yet.  I believe the bug is tied to the fdsrc element though, which has given us problems in the past
[08:02] <jamesh> seb128: I changed the thumbnailer to not depend on that element any more.
[08:02] <seb128> jamesh, would be nice to have a bug, forwarded upstream if possible
[08:02] <seb128> k
[08:03] <jamesh> seb128: right.  I've done that for a number of fdsrc bugs in the past, but hadn't narrowed this one down.
[08:06] <jamesh> psivaa: if it helps, the MP for that landing is merging a copy of lp:thumbnailer to lp:thumbnailer/devel.  I wonder if this is some edge case for branch stacking, since there are no revisions in lp:/~jamesh/thumbnailer/devel-sync-20150725 that are not in the development focus branch
[08:08] <psivaa> jamesh: that could be a possibility, i have seen this error once and trying to remember/dig for that information
[08:12] <oSoMoN> jibel, hey, I marked silo 6 ready for QA validation a while ago, and it hasn’t appeared in the trello board yet, known issue?
[08:13] <jibel> oSoMoN, I disabled the bot last night while robru was migrating the spreadsheet, just in case.
[08:13] <jibel> Let me run it
[08:14] <oSoMoN> thanks
[08:15] <jibel> ah, and robru moved the dashboard so now it crashes because it cannot find it
[08:15] <jibel> I'll fix that
[08:16] <robru> jibel: new dashboard is a bit different
[08:17] <jibel> robru, where is the raw data?
[08:17] <davmor2> robru: grrrrrrr changing all the urls ;)
[08:17] <robru> jibel: requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/json/index.txt lists assigned silos
[08:19] <jibel> oSoMoN, it'll take a moment
[08:19] <jibel> looks like we'll create cards manually this morning
[08:19] <oSoMoN> jibel, that’s alright, that one’s not super urgent
[08:19] <psivaa> jamesh: would there be any possibility that there was a rev manually pushed to the devel branch
[08:19] <psivaa> ?
[08:20] <jamesh> psivaa: no.
[08:20] <robru> jibel: the filenames listed in index.txt can then be accessed relative to that url for the raw json statuses
[08:20] <jibel> oSoMoN, thanks, it'll be fixed soon. I didn't plan to make the bot work with the spreadsheet and bileto at the same time :)
[08:22] <jibel> oSoMoN, BTW, on the dashboard the state is 'Package Built' not 'Ready for QA'
[08:23] <jibel> it'll be a quiet day, nothing is ready for QA
[08:23] <jibel> robru, ^
[08:23] <oSoMoN> jibel, then there’s an issue with the dashboard. robru: I marked silo 6 ready for QA validation in the spreadsheet earlier this morning, and apparently the dashboard didn’t pick it up
[08:24] <sil2100> The dashboard doesn't seem to fetch statuses from the spreadsheet at all now
[08:24] <jamesh> psivaa: the revision<EMAIL_ADDRESS>it says is a ghost is the head revision of lp:thumbnailer (and also of the devel-sync branch that is the source of the merge)
[08:24] <robru> oSoMoN: the dashboard no longer cares about the spreadsheet
[08:24] <jibel> robru, so how do we track statuses during the transition?
[08:24] <robru> jibel: you'd have to look at the spreadsheet directly
[08:25] <jibel> robru, of course
[08:25] <jibel> lol
[08:25] <robru> :-P
[08:25] <robru> jibel: sil2100: yes the transition may be a little bit rougher than i anticipated, to many moving pieces
[08:26] <robru> jibel: the trick is that the spreadsheet won't automatically update statuses either, so manual poking will be necessary to make it actually say "ready for qa"
[08:27] <pete-woods> so the spreadsheet lives on?
[08:27] <jibel> it's like picking up your phone every 10 minutes just in case someone calls you because the ring is broken
[08:27] <pete-woods> but behind the scenes now?
[08:27] <jibel> no way we scan the spreadsheet manually
[08:33] <psivaa> jamesh: i see a similar issue in this lp bug, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/1161018/comments/4
[08:33] <psivaa> would you mind trying the workaround in comment #4
[08:34] <pete-woods> ah right, okay just transitional :)
[08:34] <robru> jibel: we may need to tell people to just irc ping each other until the spreadsheet fully dies
[08:35] <jamesh> psivaa: sure.
[08:37] <jamesh> psivaa: If I have any trouble after retrying the landing, I'll ask again.  Thanks.
[08:37] <psivaa> jamesh: sure, i tried it after copying your branch and it works.
[08:38] <psivaa> jamesh: to test,  'bzr revno lp:~jamesh/thumbnailer/devel-sync-20150725' command should just work
[08:40] <jamesh> psivaa: pushed an empty commit, and "bzr revno" works, so hopefully Jenkins will be happy.
[08:43] <psivaa> jamesh: http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/generic-land/27517/console was happy :)
[08:50] <jibel> robru, yeah, there is no other choice anyway
[08:50] <jamesh> psivaa: thanks for your help.
[08:50] <psivaa> jamesh: np
[08:54] <jibel> sil2100, robru don't you think that silos on the spreadsheet that must be rebuilt or reconfigured should be moved to bileto instead?
[08:54] <sil2100> jibel: that's one proposition, yes
[08:54] <jibel> sil2100, and every team is responsible of moving their records
[08:54] <sil2100> We'll probably doing that, but currently it requires some manual work...
[08:55] <jibel> sil2100, otherwise the spreadshhet will stay there forever
[08:55] <sil2100> Manual work not really suited for normal team members
[08:55] <jibel> sil2100, checking lines manually also requires manual work
[08:57] <sil2100> I know, just saying it's not something normal landers can do, we'll be migrating entries slowly ourselves
[09:02] <sil2100> I didn't expect we'd have to be doing that as a priority, thought that the dashboard would support both during the grace period
[09:05] <jibel> sil2100, if a line is copied from the spreadsheet does it mean the silo will have to go through the whole process again, merge, build, ...
[09:05] <jibel> ?
[09:05] <sil2100> No, it won't have to be reassigned, just needs to be hm, hacked into the Bileto ;)
[09:06] <sil2100> I'll probably create a jenkins job for migrating entries, give me a few minutes
[09:06] <sil2100> Then it should be cool
[09:08] <jibel> sil2100, you can export the spreadshhet and recreate the request with the API
[09:14] <sil2100> Anyway, I'll get to it in a minute, just need to finish something up real quick first
[09:23] <sil2100> jibel: ok, on it
[09:45] <sil2100> hmmm
[09:46] <sil2100> jibel: looks like it won't be as easy
[09:58] <greyback> trainguards: does the new dashboard show if silo ready for QA signoff? My silo11 should be in that state, but the dash doesn't show it
[10:08] <jibel> greyback, it doesn't
[10:09] <jibel> greyback, your request is in the old spreadsheet?
[10:09] <greyback> jibel: ah, that's still alive? Let me see
[10:10] <jibel> greyback, status in the dashboard are not updated for request still in the spreadsheet
[10:10] <greyback> jibel: yep, ok spreadsheet reports it's ready for QA. Thanks!
[10:11] <jibel> sil2100, ^ data have to be migrated, we'll lose things otherwise
[10:15] <sil2100> jibel: yeah, I know, I tried migrating an entry as per robru's instructions but it doesn't work
[10:16] <sil2100> I'll try something
[10:17] <sil2100> ANyway, I have no idea why we couldn't have just left the spreadsheet working for the grace period
[10:17] <sil2100> Yeah, so it will be a bit more painful, the migration that is
[10:17] <sil2100> A watch-only rebuild is required
[10:18] <sil2100> (or actually any other operation)
[10:37] <jibel> sil2100, do you know how I differentiate deb package landings from tarball and clicks?
[10:37] <jibel> how to*
[10:38] <sil2100> jibel: I think the only difference is if it has Manual Download Urls defined or not
[10:38] <jibel> okay, thanks
[10:44] <jibel> sil2100, where can I find the list of sources packages for a request? For example in https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/v1/tickets?qa_signoff=Ready 'sources' is empty but it filled on the dashboard.
[10:44] <jibel> sorry for all the questions
[10:46] <jibel> sil2100, nm, found it
[10:48] <sil2100> jibel: k, no worries, just remember only robru knows the system well
[10:49] <sil2100> I'm a consumer here as well
[10:49] <jibel> sil2100, I know but he's sleeping and it helps asking questions. Look I found the answer ;)
[10:49] <sil2100> I'm a bit surprised with a few things, since after the public deployment so many things unexpectively changed
[10:49] <sil2100> jibel: btw. do you know if we still have HTTP access to the config files that were exported to lillypilly before?
[10:50] <jibel> sil2100, yeah it's related to my previous question
[10:50] <jibel> sil2100, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/json/index.txt will give you a list of the data available
[10:51] <sil2100> index.txt? No wonder https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/json/ didn't work when I tried that
[10:51] <jibel> sil2100, then for the data itself about a silo replace index.txt by the silo you want
[10:51] <jibel> sil2100, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/json/ubuntu/landing-002 for example
[10:51] <sil2100> Yeah, got it
[10:52] <jibel> sil2100, fixing the bot is a bit more work than I expected TBH
[10:53] <jibel> sil2100, but now it should work for deb package landing, I need to validate click and tarballs now
[10:54] <jibel> but it's a post-lunch task
[10:56] <sil2100> jibel: btw. migration might be really really painful to do
[10:57] <sil2100> Eh, now I feel bad I didn't have enough time to test bileto before deployment
[10:57] <sil2100> There's so many things I'd need to see fixed
[11:00] <sil2100> jibel: anyway, since one can't write a script that just migrates entries straight away as it requires 3 different isolated steps, I'm actually thinking of at least enabling the spreadsheet status updates
[11:04] <sil2100> hmmmm
[11:04] <sil2100> Bileto silo assignment doesn't seem to work?
[11:08] <sil2100> robru: the assignment URL has some bad urlencoded signs, you can't assign any silos
[11:08] <sil2100> greyback_: hey! Could you try assigning your newly filled request?
[11:09] <sil2100> greyback_: I want to know if you also get the wrong urlencoded urls in the prepare job
[11:09] <greyback_> sil2100: ok
[11:10] <sil2100> Need to know if it's b0rken in overall, or just for me
[11:10] <greyback_> sil2100: looks broken: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/prepare-silo/5561/
[11:11] <sil2100> greyback_: yeah, same here
[11:11] <sil2100> https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/unity8/app-state-handling/+merge/258653
[11:11] <sil2100> It copy-pastes correctly, but in reality it's wrong
[11:11] <sil2100> %253A
[11:11] <sil2100> https%253A//code.launchpad.net <- things like these are in the request
[11:12] <greyback_> yeah, someone not urldecoding
[11:12] <sil2100> The funny thing is, I don't have access to hot-fix it
[11:12] <greyback_> funny ha ha?
[11:12] <greyback_> :)
[11:12] <sil2100> Very funny ;) I love having everything under IS control
[11:12] <greyback_> well there's no hurry with that silo, I need to wait until silo11 lands
[11:13] <greyback_> but can't say I'm impressed
[11:13] <sil2100> We can assign it by urldecoding by hand
[11:13] <sil2100> ;p
[11:18] <greyback_> hah
[11:18] <sil2100> I'll try looking into fixing that
[11:20] <davmor2> jibel, sil2100: I'm trying to test silo 51 unfortunately I can't make it actually install anything it looks like there are just -dev and -doc files or am I missing something?
[11:22] <jibel> davmor2, I don't even know which line of the spreadsheet it was
[11:22] <davmor2> jibel: 60
[11:23] <jibel> davmor2, and the commit log is not helpful either "Initial revision for landing."
[11:24] <mzanetti> jibel, hey, is there something wrong with silo 35?
[11:24] <mzanetti> I see lots of other silos coming in after that but getting tested beforehand
[11:24] <davmor2> jibel, sil2100: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11965973/
[11:25] <davmor2> jibel: citrain didn't pull anything in, I can't see a default package to actually install and apt refuse to do anything :)
[11:25] <jibel> davmor2, no idea, ask michi for clarification
[11:25] <davmor2> jibel: will do
[11:26] <jibel> davmor2, oSoMoN said silo 6 is ready but there is no card due to the death of the spreadsheet.
[11:45] <bzoltan_> sil2100: would you be able to help me with the silo assignement, please? I have just entered a new line to the new interface
[11:46] <sil2100> bzoltan_: as per e-mail, assignment is a bit broken right now - let me assign it for you with manual intervention
[11:46] <sil2100> I'm looking into fixing that, but I don't know robru's bileto code, so it'll take a while
[11:46] <bzoltan_> sil2100:  Yes, i have read the mail :)
[11:46] <sil2100> In the meantime I can manually help ;p
[11:46] <bzoltan_> sil2100: thank you
[11:48] <sil2100> greyback_: I'll assign your silo in a moment too, if you don't mind I'll use it shortly as test-bed
[11:48] <greyback_> sil2100: no prob, that's what I kept it there for
[11:53] <sil2100> greyback_: thanks
[12:06] <sil2100> Strange, it looks like suddenly our CI Train jenkins simply stopped urldecoding the GET requests
[12:13] <jibel> sil2100, new bot updated and in production
[12:13] <jibel> ubuntu-qa ^
[12:23] <sil2100> jibel: sweet
[12:23] <sil2100> Ok, I still didn't find the reason why jenkins doesn't suddenly not urldecode
[12:29]  * sil2100 goes of to lunch
[12:32] <Laney> sil2100: can we have a redirect for the dashboard please?
[12:33] <Laney> robru: ^ I guess :)
[12:34] <jibel> robru, and also fix the link 'RAW' on the dashboard
[12:39] <davmor2> jibel: why are there 2 ticket for silo2
[12:40] <jibel> davmor2, the request ids in the spreadsheet and its replacement don't match
[12:40] <jibel> davmor2, you can delete the second card
[12:41] <davmor2> jibel: they are breeding
[12:48] <jibel> davmor2, it is just that the testing request exists in the spreadsheet and bileto. It has been created yesterday from the spreadsheet, then today I ported the bot to bileto which discovered this request. Since the request ids are different between the 2 systems it thought it was new and added a ticket
[12:49] <jibel> davmor2, it will happen again if people create requests that already existed in the spreadsheet.
[12:50] <davmor2> jibel: it's the fact we are upto 3 that is concerning, it's like each time the import happens it creates a new ticket
[12:50] <jibel> davmor2, yeah, I think I just fixed that
[12:50] <pmcgowan> davmor2, with click package updates in the custom tarball, do you know how these get applied during the update? is it via click install or is it via the image diff?
[12:54] <davmor2> pmcgowan: iirc the image pulls in the updates from trunk/store and then creates the tarball, then I believe it just uses image diff to install on the device, cwayne might be able to give you more clarity though
[12:56] <cwayne> the ones in the custom tarball are via image diff i *think*
[12:56] <jibel> pmcgowan, it's a diff, everything is already unpacked in the tarball
[13:01] <pmcgowan> jibel, thats what I thought thanks, so there is no way a single click could fail to update
[13:02] <bzoltan_> sil2100: Do you know what should be the cure for the "error pushing:" failure of the ubuntu-device-flash?
[13:05] <pmcgowan> bzoltan_, is that arale? probably the flaky usb
[13:06] <bzoltan_> pmcgowan: no, it is both krillin and mako. Bootstrapping works fine, but simple flash fails
[13:06] <pmcgowan> hmm
[13:07] <pmcgowan> bzoltan_, latest u-d-f from the PPA?
[13:08] <bzoltan_> pmcgowan: it should be up to date.. I check the versions
[13:09] <pmcgowan> I have  0.20-0ubuntu1
[13:09] <pmcgowan> fwiw
[13:12] <bzoltan_> pmcgowan: I have 1.1+15.10.20150519-0~341~ubuntu15.04.1 from the recipe .. that is newer then any release
[13:13] <bzoltan_> pmcgowan: hmm... now it works... it could be USB flakiness
[13:20] <bzoltan_> pmcgowan:  it is random... "error pushing: error: protocol fault (no status)" and never finishes with the flashing :(
[13:21] <infinity> jibel: Who was your new victim for dkms testing issues?
[13:21] <infinity> jibel: Looks like the current builds have been running for 27 hours. :P
[13:21] <jibel> infinity, still me
[13:22] <pmcgowan> bzoltan_, that weird maybe your laptop
[13:22] <infinity> jibel: Oh.  Well, hi you.  Iz broke.
[13:22] <bzoltan_> pmcgowan:  it happens on both my laptops... checking the third one
[13:23] <pmcgowan> bzoltan_, I am not sure where you got that version
[13:23] <pmcgowan> I don't see that in the ppa
[13:23] <bzoltan_> pmcgowan: from here -> https://code.launchpad.net/~bzoltan/+recipe/sdk-tools-dev
[13:24] <pmcgowan> bzoltan_, why not the one in the ppa?
[13:24] <jibel> infinity, the execution node is down again
[13:24] <jibel> infinity, I'll restart it
[13:25] <bzoltan_> pmcgowan:  :) somebody need to test the release candidate of the phablet-tools.
[13:25] <bzoltan_> pmcgowan:  but i will  downgrade now and see... if it works then the phablet-tools trunk is broken
[13:25] <infinity> jibel: Is that same node used by autopkgtests, cause they seem a bit backed up too.
[13:28] <jibel> infinity, yeah but adt jobs are distributed, it shouldn't be a problem
[13:28] <jibel> infinity, let me restart whatI can
[13:34] <jibel> infinity, dkms node is back
[13:34] <infinity> jibel: Will the jobs need a kick, or should they wake up?
[13:34] <jibel> infinity, they'll wake up
[13:34] <infinity> jibel: Ta.
[13:35] <jibel> cihelp: ^ can you monitor wazn-adt, it's the second time it crashes in 2 weeks and no one notice
[13:38] <fginther> jibel, it's just the 'wazn-adt' slave right. not the node itself or the two other slaves running there?
[13:38] <jibel> fginther, yes, the jenkins-slave process dies and doesn't respawn
[13:41] <boiko> sil2100: does the dashboard still show the silos as marked as tested and ready for QA?
[13:42] <fginther> jibel, I'm a little curious as to what's going on here. initctl reports 'auto-package-testing-jenkins-slave stop/waiting', but the slave is running. Do you know how it was restarted?
[13:42] <sil2100> boiko: yes, but not from the spreadsheet... sadly Robert removed support for the spreadsheet completely
[13:43] <boiko> sil2100: so, yesterday I marked some silos as tested on the spreadsheet, was that migrated or do I need to mark them as tested again?
[13:43] <sil2100> boiko: no, all is fine
[13:43] <boiko> sil2100: I just don't see them marked as so in the dashboard
[13:44] <sil2100> boiko: yes, since as I said, the dashboard doesn't understand the spreadsheet anymore, and there was no migration to bileto yet
[13:44] <sil2100> So it's just marked on the spreadsheet, QA is aware of those
[13:44] <boiko> sil2100: ok, good, just checking, thanks for the info :)
[13:45] <sil2100> This switch to bileto is a bit faulty
[13:46] <fginther> jibel, Oh, I think I see now. Looks like you manually started it.
[13:51] <sil2100> fginther: hey! Did you have an issue with jenkins and the parambuild plugin before that suddenly it wasn't urldecoding the parameters from the URL?
[13:52] <fginther> sil2100, no, I can't say I've seen that
[13:54] <jibel> fginther, sorry was otp. I restarted it
[13:54] <fginther> jibel, thanks for clarifying
[13:56] <infinity> jibel: I question the efficacy of your restart.  Or your claim that the jobs would unstick themselves. :)
[13:56] <infinity> jibel: All of them still seem to be in the "building for over a day" state, I'd have expected a few to be done by now.
[13:57] <cyphermox> hi, could I please have a silo for line 44, or should I open a bileto ticket now instead of using the spreadsheet (line was already there, been sitting in the queue for over a week)?
[13:57] <sil2100> cyphermox: please open a bileto ticket :)
[13:57] <cyphermox> sil2100: thanks!
[14:01] <greyback_> jibel: hey did the current silo11 slip through the cracks? I don't see it in the QA testing board
[14:01] <cyphermox> sil2100: am I also the person supposed to hit assign?
[14:02] <sil2100> cyphermox: yes, but it's broken a bit right now, let me assign it for you
[14:02] <cyphermox> ah ok
[14:02] <cyphermox> just wanted to know if it was all self-serve ;P
[14:02] <cyphermox> awe_: ^^
[14:02] <cyphermox> next time, you'll be able to do it all yourself
[14:02] <awe_> k
[14:03] <cyphermox> morphis: ^ I guess this is relevant for you too
[14:03] <sil2100> Aaah, I see the issue
[14:06] <sil2100> Not sure why suddenly firefox decides to urlencode already urlencoded strings
[14:08] <jibel> infinity, jenkins is slowly digesting the queue. The UI is a bit confusing but if you scroll down to a node called wazn-adt, you'll see that all the builds with a number in front of them are recent.
[14:09] <jibel> infinity, the jobs without number are virtual jobs that jenkins create to keep track of its upcoming tasks
[14:09] <rvr> boiko: ping
[14:10] <rvr> sil2100: To approve a silo, is the spreadsheet still working?
[14:10] <sil2100> Looks like an apache misconfiguration
[14:10] <sil2100> rvr: yeah, for approving yes - since those are simple formulas
[14:10] <infinity> jibel: Ahh, check.  I'll attempt more patience.
[14:11] <jibel> greyback_, it probably slipped through the cracks
[14:11] <rvr> sil2100: Ok
[14:11] <greyback_> jibel: shall I add a card?
[14:12] <jibel> greyback_, which line of the spreadsheet is it?
[14:12] <boiko> rvr: pong
[14:12] <greyback_> jibel: 59
[14:13] <greyback_> jibel: thank you
[14:13] <jibel> greyback_, added
[14:13] <rvr> boiko: Silo 8
[14:14] <boiko> rvr: yep
[14:14] <rvr> boiko: Does the bug has any manual test?
[14:14] <rvr> boiko: Skip network checks on always dispatchable accounts
[14:15] <boiko> rvr: ah yes, let me check the testplan, salem_ said something about addind that to the testplan, let me double check
[14:15] <boiko> rvr: the manual test is: disable data connections (both wifi and mobile data) and reboot the device
[14:16] <boiko> rvr: the dialer needs to show the carrier name, if it doesn't, that's the bug
[14:16] <salem_> rvr, yes, just ensure there are not network (wifi/data) connections active after a reboot and try making/receive calls/messages.
[14:16] <salem_> s/not/no/
[14:17] <rvr> salem_: Ok, I'll check that. Please update the test plan.
[14:17] <salem_> rvr, will do, thanks.
[14:26] <sil2100> robru: I see that you're double urlencoding all your requests - it was done like this in the spreadsheet as well
[14:27] <sil2100> robru: now apache seems confused by this and triple-urlencodes everything
[14:27] <sil2100> robru: is there any reason we have to urlencode urlencoded strings?
[14:31] <davmor2> sil2100: silo006 is good to go
[14:33] <sil2100> Publishing
[14:37] <salem_> rvr, just updated telepathy-ofono testplan.
[14:40] <rvr> salem_: Hmmm
[14:41] <rvr> Something weird
[14:41] <rvr> I'm in a call, but dialer app doesn't show any call
[14:41] <bzoltan_> sil2100:  how in an automatic test environment can I unlock the screen?  Once I have adb connection :) I could unlock it with a gdbus call... but there is no adb when the screen is locked
[14:41] <salem_> rvr, is the green call indicator at the top?
[14:41] <rvr> salem_: Nope
[14:42] <salem_> rvr, incoming call?
[14:42] <rvr> salem_: Yes
[14:42] <rvr> salem_: Second try seems good
[14:43] <salem_> rvr, do you have wifi/data connection?
[14:43] <rvr> salem_: Nope, deactivated them
[14:43] <salem_> rvr, ok, but it was like this when you got the incoming call, right?
[14:44] <pmcgowan> hey udf is tellig me --revision is unknown flag, what am I doing wrong
[14:44] <rvr> salem_: Yes. call was established but then the UI reverted to the offline state, even when the call was active. I could talk, etc.
[14:45] <salem_> rvr, that's really weird, but I would say that's a separate bug.
[14:45] <sil2100> Damn, this bug is a waste of time
[14:46] <sil2100> robru: anyway, found how it's happening that it's broken, but I need you to understand why it's happening
[14:47] <sil2100> bzoltan_: I think once developer mode is enabled then the screen doesn't need to be unlocked to get adb access
[14:47] <sil2100> bzoltan_: at least that's how my device is working ;)
[14:47] <salem_> rvr, the original bug would prevent you from receiving the call in first place.
[14:47] <pmcgowan> popey, davmor2 ?  hey udf is tellig me --revision is unknown flag, what am I doing wrong
[14:48] <bzoltan_> sil2100: makor or krillin? I have flashed with --developer-mode --password=${PASSWORD}
[14:48] <sil2100> bzoltan_: I'm using arale here with developer mode, but I also switched the switch in system-settings
[14:48] <davmor2> pmcgowan: --revision has to go before touch in the command
[14:49] <davmor2> pmcgowan: should be u-d-f --revision x touch --channel whatever/channel
[14:49] <pmcgowan> omg
[14:49] <popey> hehe
[14:49] <pmcgowan> davmor2, thanks so lame
[14:49] <popey> i love u-d-f
[14:49] <jibel> what's the logic to have this option before touch
[14:49] <popey> I have to re-learn it every time
[14:49] <jibel> every one try after
[14:49] <bzoltan_> sil2100:  I hve developer mode enabled and the adb gets closed when the lock screen comes up ... on mako with vivid overlay
[14:49] <pmcgowan> yeah there is even an open bug
[14:50] <sil2100> bzoltan_: hmm, that's strange - could you poke cihelp about that? They might know more since they use devices in the lab for testing
[14:50] <sil2100> So they should know how to properly unlock it
[14:52] <jibel> but u-d-f does everything, creates images, flash them, query the server...
[14:52] <pmcgowan> it just needs to parse arguments now
[14:54] <jibel> ah right, it's a detail
[14:55] <fginther> bzoltan_, sil2100, the krillins and arales require a special recovery image to be used during u-d-f flashing
[14:55] <fginther> which enables adb while the screen is locked
[14:55] <bzoltan_> fginther:  I amnot sure if I understand that
[14:55] <bzoltan_> fginther:  I am on mako this time ..
[14:55] <fginther> bzoltan_, oh, mako doesn't require it
[14:56] <davmor2> pmcgowan: run u-d-f --help and it lists the order of arguments and options as you build up the command
[14:56] <fginther> unless things have changed very recently
[14:56] <bzoltan_> fginther:  my mako with the latest vivid image it does
[14:57] <bzoltan_> fginther:  I see in the --help it says about the --recovery-image= so, where can i get that?
[14:57] <jibel> davmor2, RTFM is not a good answer :) when a user does the same mistake each time he uses a tool, it supposes something is wrong with the tool
[14:57] <rvr> salem_: boiko: Silo 8 approved
[14:58] <fginther> bzoltan_, http://people.canonical.com/~plars/touch
[14:58] <salem_> rvr, awesome, thanks
[14:58] <bzoltan_> fginther:  Thank you ... I will ask plars to make a mako version too >(
[14:59] <davmor2> jibel: no that was a genuine piece of advice,  just append --help and it fills you in on the options available after each step not saying that it is a good thing just a helpful one :)
[14:59] <fginther> bzoltan_, these were not made by plars, that was just the only easily place we had to store them
[15:00] <pmcgowan> davmor2, write a qml front end to it please :)
[15:00] <fginther> bzoltan_, let me see if I can dig up who made them, but if mako now needs them :-(
[15:00] <plars> bzoltan_: oh, we need one for mako now also? I just grabbed those from an older image because there was no official place at the time, there may be some official place now though
[15:00] <plars> bzoltan_: maybe sil2100 knows?
[15:00] <davmor2> pmcgowan: if you see  the code I write you wouldn't even joke about that ;)  There are way more competent coders in the room ;)
[15:01] <bzoltan_> plars: Yes, I was strugling my way thru the tools today to figure it out
[15:01] <pmcgowan> heh
[15:03] <fginther> bzoltan_, FWIW, I can see version 202 from ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu channel being flashed on mako with no need for a recovery image
[15:09] <robru> sil2100: as a workaround for right now, it works if you s/%2520/ /g on the text field and leave the URLs doubly encoded: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/prepare-silo/5565/console
[15:18] <jibel> robru, sil2100 when I log into https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/ I just get the header and no request
[15:18] <jibel> I checked "ci-train-users" on the sso page
[15:19] <robru> jibel: yeah I was getting an error as well, it seems intermittent, try reloading a few times
[15:19] <sil2100> Same here
[15:19] <sil2100> Yeah, after a few reloads it works now
[15:19] <jibel> ah it is just terribly slow
[15:20] <jibel> robru, you didn't have to reimplement everything from the spreadsheet :P
[15:20] <robru> jibel: no no, what's happening is that it's doing an ajax request in the background that silently fails, it retries every few minutes. it's fast when it works
[15:21] <robru> jibel: and of course I can't access the log, will need IS to poke at it, sigh
[15:22] <jibel> robru, where should I file bugs? when I edit then cancel it logs me out
[15:22] <robru> jibel: yeah file bugs against lp:bileto, but again this is the same issue, ajax request is failing intermittently
[15:23] <jibel> I'll be patient until you get the logs then
[15:24] <boiko> rvr: thanks
[16:07] <Laney> I just put a redirect in place for the old dashboard URL
[16:11] <robru_> sil2100: jibel: ok sorry my IRC client has picked the perfect time to explode
[16:12] <robru_> sil2100: I'm in webops trying to get things sorted out, apparently the problem is logrotate misconfigured and then bileto can't log properly and gets angry
[16:12] <robru_> sil2100: jibel: it should be temporarily ok now, but I'm working on a permanent fix
[16:13] <Laney> is the spreadsheet still around enough to let me reconfigure a silo?
[16:15] <robru_> Laney: yes
[16:15] <robru_> Laney: the spreadsheet won't update status but it can reconfigure an existing silo
[16:16] <Laney> OK, thanks!
[16:29] <Laney> robru_: do I need to worry about the messed up urlencoding in MERGE_PROPOSALS and SOURCES?
[16:31] <robru_> Laney: yeah, you should manually s/%2520/ /g to make it work (the urls can stay double encoded but you need real spaces between the urls)
[16:35] <Laney> ty
[16:48] <dobey> that's an odd set of packages in a silo
[16:55] <robru> sil2100: what were you saying about SSO redirecting through http? I'm not seeing that
[16:55] <sil2100> robru: let me check if it's still doing that
[16:56] <sil2100> robru: yeah, still does that, let me PM you with details
[17:42] <robru> cihelp: can I get CI configured for lp:bileto the same way it already is for lp:cupstream2distro? thanks
[17:44] <psivaa> robru: looking into it
[17:45] <robru> psivaa: thanks
[17:49] <jibel> robru, when I can the API, I frequently get an 'Internal Server error'
[17:49] <jibel> I call*
[17:50] <robru> jibel: hmmm I thought I fixed that
[17:50] <jibel> robru, this is what I call: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/v1/tickets?qa_signoff=Ready
[17:50] <jibel> robru, actually I get it more often than the valid output
[17:51] <robru> jibel: yeah I'm seeing that too, even without the query
[17:52] <kgunn> jibel: hey since you're on :)
[17:52] <robru> jibel: oh well this time I'm finally seeing a traceback in the logs
[17:52] <kgunn> https://trello.com/c/9ujHpNLB/2096-ubuntu-landing-035-unity-api-unity8-mzanetti
[17:52] <kgunn> that one can be unblocked now
[17:52] <robru> jibel: ok I don't know when I can fix this by but at least I have something to go on now
[17:52] <kgunn> and that was our goof, sorry
[17:53] <jibel> kgunn, done
[17:54] <jibel> robru, ok
[17:54] <kgunn> ta
[17:56] <boiko> jibel: hi, in the spreadsheet I had silos 15 and 40 marked as ready for QA to test, but I don't see it in the QA spreadsheet, could you please just check why they are not there?
[17:57] <boiko> robru: quick question: rvr has tested and approved silo 8, do I need to do anything for it to get published?
[17:57] <robru> boiko: pinging me is a good start
[17:58] <boiko> robru: still getting familiar with the new UI, glad we got rid of the spreadsheet :)
[17:59] <robru> boiko: yeah things are exploding right now, sorry this transition is going to be a little rough
[18:01] <boiko> robru: no worries,I will just be pinging you more often but no worries regarding transition problems, that's fine
[18:03] <AlbertA> cihelp: ^ this is powerd so it will fail boottest due to the package install failing to update config-default.xml being in a seperate ro partition
[18:04] <jibel> boiko, they are not there because the spreadsheet doesn't update the statuses in the dashboard anymore because of the migration to the new system.
[18:05] <jibel> boiko, we'll add the cards
[18:07] <jhodapp> robru, is the second to last line about Bileto going to be fatal or just ignore? https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-038-1-build/42/console
[18:07] <robru> jhodapp: this is a spreadsheet landing right? if so it's fine, it's just trying to push the status to bileto and bileto doesn't recognize the id number. not fatal
[18:08] <robru> jhodapp: if that's a request from bileto though then that's a problem (still not fatal but not good)
[18:08] <jhodapp> robru, yeah it was a spreadsheet landing
[18:08] <robru> jhodapp: yeah no worries then
[18:08] <jhodapp> excellent, thanks!
[18:08] <robru> jhodapp: you're welcome
[18:09] <jhodapp> looking forward to using your work in bileto
[18:11] <jibel> boiko, what are the lines for silos 15 and 40?
[18:13] <boiko> jibel: let me look, just a sec
[18:13] <jibel> boiko, nm, found it
[18:13] <boiko> jibel: ok
[18:13] <jibel> robru, no pressure, but hurry up, I won't create cards manually for a long time :)
[18:15] <robru> jibel: yeah sorry. I will migrate the spreadsheet later today, just putting out fires right now
[18:22] <fginther> AlbertA, thanks for the heads up. Looks like it hasn't hit proposed just yet as it isn't in the excuses report
[18:48] <psivaa> robru: http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/bileto-ci has been added but http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/bileto-ci/1/console sees some failures. If you'd please take a look and let us know what are the dependencies, we'd be able to fulfill
[18:49] <robru> psivaa: oh thanks
[18:49] <robru> psivaa: one sec
[18:49] <robru> psivaa: the dependencies are here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cupstream2distro-maintainers/bileto/charm/view/head:/hooks/install#L19
[18:50] <robru> psivaa: of which some are only accessible in trusty-cat-ue archive
[18:51] <robru> psivaa: you'll need to add "deb http://archive.admin.canonical.com/ubuntu trusty-cat-ue main" archive to get all the deps
[18:51] <psivaa> robru: ack, will take a look at adding them
[18:52] <kgunn> robru: hey, so i just tried to reconfig silo 0 via the old sheet....is that doable ?
[18:52] <kgunn> e.g. for old silos, do we still go thru the sheet?
[18:52] <robru> kgunn: yes the spreadsheet should be usable for reconfiguring, what are you seeing?
[18:52] <kgunn> robru: it could very well be me
[18:52] <kgunn> https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/prepare-silo/5573/console
[18:52] <robru> kgunn: yes for this moment we go through the old sheet for reconfiguring existing silos. I'm working on migrating the data but it's not ready yet
[18:53] <robru> kgunn: yeah, it's you: https://code.launchpad.net/~mir-team/mir/silo0/+merge/264015 404
[18:54] <kgunn> robru: nvmd (sheepishly)
[18:54] <kgunn> robru: helps if you actually paste the link you want in the cell....
[18:54] <kgunn> gaahhh!
[18:54] <robru> kgunn: lol no worries. I should clean up those tracebacks and make the errors more readable
[18:56] <robru> psivaa: certain failures are expected at this point, if you get a CI run that looks like this: https://pastebin.canonical.com/136541/ then you know all the deps are available and everything is working
[19:10] <kenvandine> trainguards: silo 2 is marked as QA granted, but the status on the dashboard doesn't say it's ready to publish
[19:10] <robru> kenvandine: yeah sorry it's a mess, thanks for pinging me
[19:11] <kenvandine> robru, no worries, just want to make sure nothing's holding it up :)
[19:11]  * kenvandine really wants to see passing CI again :)
[19:11] <robru> kenvandine: well, no statuses are being reported anywhere, so that's holding it up
[19:11] <robru> kenvandine: if you see it has QA granted (in the trello board?) you can publish it
[19:11] <kenvandine> cool
[19:11] <kenvandine> i'll do that :)
[19:11] <kenvandine> robru, just making sure
[19:11] <kenvandine> thanks!
[19:11] <robru> kenvandine: dashboard won't report qa statuses for spreadsheet stuff
[19:11] <robru> kenvandine: you're welcome
[19:12] <jibel> robru, brendand marked is qa granted in bileto
[19:12] <jibel> it*
[19:12] <kenvandine> yeah, that's where i saw it
[19:12] <kenvandine> not the spreadsheet
[19:13] <kenvandine> ugh... should i be concerned with this?
[19:13] <kenvandine> 2015-07-30 19:12:49,226 ERROR Bileto says: 400 BAD REQUEST
[19:13] <kenvandine> but it finished with SUCCESS
[19:13] <davmor2> robru, sil2100: silo51 is good to go
[19:13] <robru> davmor2: thanks
[19:21] <AlbertA> fginther: powerd is listed in excuses now.
[19:24] <kenvandine> robru, i think something blew up there publishing to wily, silo 2
[19:24] <kenvandine> i see it in the overlay ppa for vivid, but no change mail yet for wily
[19:25] <kenvandine> that 400 error makes me think something didn't happen
[19:25] <robru> kenvandine: no that's fine
[19:25] <robru> kenvandine: the 400 error is just bileto saying "I don't know this requestid"
[19:25] <kenvandine> it's been over 10 minutes and no wily change mail
[19:25] <kenvandine> ok...
[19:26] <kenvandine> it's usually quicker than this
[19:26] <robru> kenvandine: log?
[19:26] <kenvandine> https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-002-2-publish/116/console
[19:27] <boiko> robru: silo 34 was saying address-book-service is outdated, so I tried rebuilding it, but it failed with the error seen on the dashboard
[19:27] <kenvandine> robru, maybe it will work... just i got worried :)
[19:27] <robru> kenvandine: that log is fine but indeed cicopy is broken
[19:27] <boiko> robru: there was actually no landing in there, but the changelog shows an entry from the citrain: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/wily/+source/address-book-service/+changelog
[19:27] <robru> boiko: ok just wait a moment
[19:28] <kenvandine> robru, ok, so you'll handle it?
[19:28] <boiko> robru: no hurry, just letting you know
[19:28] <robru> kenvandine: yeah
[19:28] <kenvandine> robru, thx
[19:33] <robru> kenvandine: ok it should be fixed, but the cicopy thing only runs every 5 minutes, so you should see that within 5 minutes or so. I gotta eat, brb
[19:36] <robru> kenvandine: ok looks good
[19:37] <robru> boiko: yeah so address-book-service is in -proposed, I'm assuming another silo already published and hasn't merged yet. that's why you're getting that error.
[19:37] <robru> boiko: in fact silo 28 needs to migrate before you can rebuild
[19:38] <boiko> robru: ah ok, found it, silo 28
[19:38] <boiko> robru: ok, thanks
[19:38] <robru> boiko: you're welcome
[19:41] <kenvandine> robru, thx!
[19:42] <kgunn> robru: can you help me with a game of what-am-i-doing-wrong
[19:42] <robru> kgunn: in a sec, i have some food on the stove
[19:43] <kgunn> robru: nw, i'll type here, just when you get a chance
[19:44] <kgunn> so in silo42, it gave me an error about changelog versioning, so i bumped it
[19:45] <kgunn> it's just a demo silo, so i changed the deb version string from 2015 to 2016, thinking that should make it not complain for a while
[19:46] <kgunn> but what's weird is in the output
[19:46] <kgunn> https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-042-1-build/21/console
[19:47] <kgunn> don't know how why it's comparing to another deb string containing 2016 (as in the year)
[19:54] <robru> kgunn: your using a branch that has been released to wily but your silo targets vivid. If you read the error not closely it says 15.04 is less than 15.10.
[19:54] <robru> kgunn: you need to either do a dual silo or change your changelog to say 15.04
[19:54] <kgunn> ah ok
[19:55] <kgunn> thanks
[19:55] <robru> kgunn: your welcome
[20:02] <kgunn> robru: when specifying dual, do we also need to specify destination ppa (stable phone) ?
[20:02] <robru> kgunn: no don't do that
[20:03] <robru> kgunn: dual is always overlay. If you set the overlay that means you want wily packages in the overlay
[20:03] <kgunn> ah
[20:03] <kgunn> i didn't do that...i saw others by convention, just confirming
[20:04] <robru> kgunn: i may have put in a check to stop that from happening but i can't remember if I just dreamed it
[20:05] <kgunn> i think it was always the same in the old sheet too
[20:05] <kgunn> e.g. possible, but no one used it
[20:05] <fginther> AlbertA, powerd should be unblocked shortly
[20:05] <robru> kgunn: dual silo is just a wily silo with a vivid overlay tumor, all the options control the wily half, vivid half is all hard coded
[20:08] <kgunn> robru: ^ just a little bug, i switched to dual, then hit "assign" and i thot huh, why does it say vivid....then it failed ^, second time it says "dual" like i expected
[20:13] <AlbertA> fginther: ack
[20:14] <robru> kgunn: maybe your clicked assign before the edit saved?
[20:14] <robru> kgunn: there's an ajax roundtrip after clicking save, should be fast but maybe it was slow that time or something
[20:14] <kgunn> robru: i don't think so...but i do feel like i'm getting logged out incessantly
[20:15] <robru> kgunn: yeah the log out thing is just the backend being crap, I'm working on it
[20:15] <kgunn> k
[20:15] <kgunn> that was prolly it
[20:15] <kgunn> just raced out
[20:27] <AlbertA> robru: how do I sync packages from wily to vivid+overlay now? Do I put ubuntu,wily in Sync source? and package names in "Manual Source Packages" box?
[20:37] <robru> AlbertA: yeah
[20:37] <robru> AlbertA: hover over the fields should explain a bit, please email me if anything is unclear and i can expand it.
[20:38] <AlbertA> robru: thanks yeah they were self-explaining...just wanted to confirm :)
[20:38] <AlbertA> robru: could we have a ubuntu,wily option in the dropdown in Sync source?
[20:39] <robru> AlbertA: also if you double click on the sync field it suggests some common options
[20:39] <robru> AlbertA: Hmmmmmmm if that not in there already?
[20:44] <AlbertA> robru: I don't see it in the dropdown
[20:44] <robru> AlbertA: ah I see it's just ubuntu,vivid. Ok I can add that but I won't be able to roll it out until later
[20:45] <AlbertA> robru: also can I delete duplicate entries...I got logged out  while saving one clicked again.
[20:45] <robru> AlbertA: you can't delete them but just set the status to 'Abandoned' and it'll disappear
[20:45] <AlbertA> robru: cool thanks
[20:45] <robru> AlbertA: you're welcome
[21:11] <charles> is anyone else having trouble staying logged into https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/ ?
[21:13] <dobey> i can't log in at all on it; it just always has the "Log in with Ubuntu SSO" button
[21:13] <dobey> trainguards: ^^
[21:14] <robru> dobey: charles: yes there are some known issues unfortunately, keep trying
[21:14] <robru> charles: dobey: if you get logged out, don't actually try to log in again, just reload the page.
[21:15] <charles> robru, ack
[21:15] <charles> thanks for that; I've been re-logging in several times
[21:15] <dobey> oh now there's some content
[21:15] <charles> ya, same here
[21:15] <robru> charles: dobey: yeah sorry I need to make it give a real error message, right now unfortunately it just appears logged out without actually being logged out
[21:15] <dobey> well i can't see how to actually create a new request
[21:16] <robru> dobey: you need to log in to get the new request form
[21:16] <charles> robru, no worries, rollouts are never perfect. I appreciate the tip
[21:16] <robru> dobey: but if it's not showing any requests at all, that's a backend issue, requests should be visible even if logged out
[21:16] <dobey> i thought i was logged in
[21:16] <robru> dobey: if you can see the requests but still the login button then you're definitely not logged in
[21:17] <robru> dobey: if you can't see the requests but see the login button, that's an error state that's indeterminate.
[21:17] <dobey> robru: i mean, i clicked on log in and performed that loop about 20 times
[21:17] <robru> dobey: what are you seeing?
[21:17] <dobey> well now i can see the request form
[21:17] <dobey> so apparently i wasn't logged in
[21:18] <charles> dobey, that's what I was seeing as well. I'm not sure what changed s.t. I finally got logged in
[21:18] <robru> dobey: it's possible. I don't know what the hell is happening, stuff that worked fine in staging is exploding in production.
[21:18] <dobey> but seems backend issues make it difficult to know whether i am actually logged in or not
[21:18] <dobey> robru: that's the problem; you put it in production :)
[21:18] <robru> charles: dobey: a good way to troubleshoot is to visit https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/v1/tickets. If you get a 500 error, the backend is broked, try reloading. if you get a json blob then it's all good
[21:21] <dobey> could use some "responsive design" improvements; i like small fonts, but with these colors, it's a bit too small to fit in a single window without horizontal scrolling on my crazy 4k monitor :)
[21:21] <dobey> ah well
[21:21] <robru> dobey: what? I have a 1080p that doesn't horizontally scroll
[21:22] <dobey> robru: doesn't horizontally scroll with a full screen/maximized browser you mean?
[21:22] <robru> dobey: yeah, maximized
[21:23] <dobey> yeah, i use windows
[21:23] <robru> dobey: well, considering the spreadsheet would scroll horizontally through three screenfuls I think this is a win. if you can't maximize your screen then I can't help you :-P
[21:24] <dobey> but my browser is 1266px wide
[21:24] <robru> dobey: why is it even horizontally scrolling? shouldn't the longer cells be wrapped?
[21:24] <dobey> robru: eh, i hated the spreadsheet horizontal scrolling too. but it's a spreadsheet, and it's google's, so not much we can do about that
[21:24] <robru> dobey: somebody already complained about horizontal scrolling and I already fixed it
[21:24] <dobey> some are wrapped
[21:25] <dobey> but the new request block at the top isn't wrapping all the text entries
[21:25] <robru> dobey: it's a free form text field, why would it wrap?
[21:26] <dobey> robru: why do i need four of them in the same row? why can't they stack?
[21:26] <robru> dobey: they correspond to the displayed rows beneath. it's like a row header.
[21:28] <dobey> so why can't the stuff below wrap at the same places too?
[21:28] <robru> dobey: because it's tabular data inspired by the spreadsheet. I basically took one huge google row and broke it into two manageable rows.
[21:32] <charles> robru, it doesn't stop work from getting done, but minor bug report: Status for the pay-service req I'm on now is listed as "Silo ready to build" but it started building 7 minutes ago
[21:32] <robru> charles: yeah that's probably related to the 500s in the backend
[21:58] <robru> AlbertA: 11 is ready for qa?
[21:59] <AlbertA> robru: silo 8 yes...
[21:59] <michi> robru: Can you help with this? https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-051-2-publish/6/console
[21:59] <robru> michi: one sec
[21:59] <michi> Sure!
[22:00] <robru> michi: you need an archive admin, please ask in #ubuntu-release. I already pinged there and got no response
[22:01] <michi> Ah, I see. Thanks, will try!
[22:05] <charles> robru, so if I don't need QA signoff and am ready to publish, I would do that by editing the signoff status, yes?
[22:05] <robru> charles: yes you can set that to 'Publish without QA'
[22:05] <charles> robru, thanks
[22:31] <AlbertA> trainguards: I don't see a card entry in the QA trello board, for silo 8, which is ready for QA... do I just need to wait?
[22:32] <robru> AlbertA: no you need to ping qa if it's a spreadsheet landing, everything is broken I'm afraid.
[22:32] <AlbertA> robru: it's an entry in the new one
[22:33] <robru> AlbertA: what number?
[22:33] <AlbertA> 11
[22:33] <robru> AlbertA: ok, bileto is literally on fire, so qa bot probably can't access the API to know that it's ready. ping some qa person to get it on the queue
[22:34] <AlbertA> robru: ack thanks
[22:34] <thomi> robru: umm "literally on fire"
[22:34] <robru> thomi: LITERALLY
[22:34] <thomi> ...pics, or it didn't happen :P
[22:35] <robru> thomi: http://images.rapgenius.com/4jh2iqo0mlekbviwkr97w46m6.450x600x1.gif
[23:40] <AlbertA> robru: looks like duplicate entries to the QA trello board are being added periodically...I saw 3 about 15mins later 4, about another 15 mins later 5...https://trello.com/b/AE3swczu/
[23:40] <AlbertA> robru: ooh now 6....
[23:40] <robru> AlbertA: that would be qa's job to fix, I don't make those
[23:41] <AlbertA> robru: ack
[23:41] <robru> AlbertA: most likely jibel's bot has a bug


[05:28] <mapps> hi;[
[05:28] <mapps> ;]
[08:10] <Guest40989> morning all
[08:10] <Guest40989> sigh
[08:10] <MooDoo> ah lost connection again
[08:31] <Myrtti> MooDoo: srsly, SASL
[08:34] <Myrtti> we ordered a hard case for my lappy few days back. Will report how it turns out.
[08:34] <Myrtti> http://www.ipearl-inc.com/dell-xps13.html
[08:38] <MooDoo> Myrtti: nah it's more my virgin media connection, it drops out for a bit then ah i don't know lol
[08:38] <Myrtti> yes, but if you have SASL, your client with auto authenticate to your account
[08:38] <Myrtti> that's the point
[08:38] <moreati> and you don't get nickserv /msg ing you every time
[08:39] <Myrtti> and you'll authenticate before joining any channels
[08:39] <Myrtti> guaranteed, unless services have gone awol
[09:12] <davmor2> Morning All
[09:18] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[09:59] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Thursday, and happy Data Privacy Day! 😃
[10:05] <foobarry> hooray for lets encryp
[10:05] <foobarry> t
[10:05] <MooDoo> foobarry: only if there is a back door thank you very much :)
[10:09] <foobarry> hmm
[10:09] <foobarry> maybe there is
[10:14] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:15]  * foobarry wave
[10:16]  * zmoylan-pi surfs
[10:19] <brobostigon> o/
[10:52] <SuperMatt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WipM3SAYqK4 - linux sucks 2016 is out!
[11:31] <davmor2> JamesTait: Got you covered bro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5p-uspcgRY
[13:56] <brobostigon> https://github.com/zalun/mercurius-irssi/issues/4
[14:19] <gh00st> join #corporate
[14:21] <\sv> sasl means i can log into the same account here and not have to og out of my lappy?
[14:26] <Myrtti> you can do that even without sasl
[14:54] <diddledan> davmor2: I've not heard that tune before - it is a fun one. and very good for the subject of JamesTait's day. good choice!
[14:55] <diddledan> SuperMatt: thanks for the linux sucks link - I love those presentations.. watching in a mo
[15:01] <davmor2> diddledan: it's not the version I was looking for, I think the version I knew was like late 70's early 80's but it was the same lyrics so it did :)  The version I had took in the back of my mind was a bit more pop-y
[15:46] <diddledan> the resurgence of proprietary causes neckbeards to say "and we woulda gotten away with it if it wasn't for you meddling kids" :-p
[15:47] <diddledan> linux voice want to make a book: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1644407908/beep-beep-yarr
[16:31] <m0nkey_> Evenin
[16:41] <diddledan> ello m0nkey_
[17:39] <diddledan> the mains voltage has been strangely high of late - my UPS currently says the mains is at 248 right now
[18:51] <m0nkey_> diddledan: it can go anywhere between 210 and 260 from my experience.
[18:51] <m0nkey_> It's the amps that you have to worry about
[18:52]  * zmoylan-pi remembers vividly the thud as my father was flipped across the room by step down transformer he made to increase the amps of house voltage
[19:05] <m0nkey_> Amps is the killer, not volts.
[19:06] <m0nkey_> I've eaten 240V and 13A and survived. However, my arm hurt for a few days. It's not fun being electrocuted.
[19:08] <diddledan> TV repair men regularly got 30kV belts off the UHT
[19:09] <diddledan> (have I got the right acronym there?)
[19:11] <diddledan> maybe I mean the LOPT?
[19:13] <m0nkey_> if it dont contain the amps, it'll hurt but wont kill.
[19:14] <m0nkey_> but yeah, the old tube tv's.. had fun in our local tv repair shop, was my dad's friend.
[19:14] <diddledan> aye
[19:14] <m0nkey_> arcing voltages to a grounded screwdriver.. fun times :)
[19:15] <diddledan> these days everyone is scared of anything over 50V as though high-voltage is evil
[19:16] <diddledan> (dad's in the trade so he hears all the nonsensical stuff :-p)
[19:17] <m0nkey_> heh, i knew a sparky that would often invite me to hold either the positive or nagative 240V mains line :)
[19:17] <m0nkey_> perfectly safe if you are wearing rubble soles and only holding one of the two
[19:18] <m0nkey_> rubble?
[19:18] <m0nkey_> lol
[19:18] <m0nkey_> rubber
[19:18] <m0nkey_> although rubble would also be non-conductive
[19:19] <zmoylan-pi> if it's dry
[19:20] <zmoylan-pi> i've been electrocuted by mains and it was nothing to the pain i got from shock from piezo spark from cigarette lighter.  my arm was ached for entire day
[19:20] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: ouch @ the piezo
[19:22] <m0nkey_> anyway, back to work for me
[19:22] <m0nkey_> back later
[19:23] <zmoylan-pi> as a curious kid i placed a wire in to see if the spark was powerful.... you live and learn :-)
[19:27] <diddledan> tata
[20:40] <czajkowski> aloha
[22:42] <diddledan> a million ways to die in the west: very fun film
[22:42] <diddledan> there's a nice cameo by Christopher Lloyd
[22:51] <m0nkey_> the hot topic of Montreal right now.. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/burgundy-lion-oqlf-1.3423616
[23:15] <mapps> went and registered for my gibraltar id card yay
[23:16] <mapps> one fool says 'are you registerring to become giraltarian' uh no what would be the point..0 dfff to being british
[23:24]  * m0nkey_ is a confirmed Canadian
[23:26] <diddledan> m0nkey_: the Quebecoise are a bit odd like that
[23:26] <diddledan> "how dare you use words!"
[23:26] <m0nkey_> I'm not a girl
[23:26] <m0nkey_> It's Quebecois
[23:26] <diddledan> oops
[23:26] <diddledan> sorry me :-p
[23:30] <mapps> youre canadian?
[23:30] <diddledan> he is now
[23:30] <mapps> my friend here is, from winnipeg
[23:30] <mapps> aka winterpeg
[23:30] <mapps> ;]
[23:30] <diddledan> mormon decided to renounce brutishness :-p
[23:30] <diddledan> err
[23:30] <diddledan> britishness**
[23:31] <m0nkey_> I'm a card carrying Brit and Canadian.
[23:31] <mapps> dual citizenship i imagine
[23:31] <diddledan> what about geekistan?
[23:33] <diddledan> I made my own geek membership card.. I'm not sure that counts
[23:34] <mapps> lol
[23:51] <gebbione> hi all, somehow recently i experience something strange, while lots of apps are open some sort of panic happens and the ubuntu machine locks out the account ... when entering again i have lost all apps
[23:52] <gebbione> i.e. it is like a new session
[23:56] <\sv> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14691668/ what happening


[01:56] <jose> ubot2`: nick ubot2
[01:56] <ubot2`> jose: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
[01:56] <ubot2`> Factoid 'nick ubot2' not found
[01:58] <jose> tsimpson: is it possible to load the nickcapture plugin on ubot2?
[02:07] <Unit193> I think the nick is one of the smaller problems.
[02:07] <Unit193> ubot2`: info firefox
[02:07] <ubot2`> 'maverick' is not a valid distribution:
[02:08] <Unit193> ubot2`: info firefox saucy
[02:08] <ubot2`> 'saucy' is not a valid distribution:
[02:10] <jose> whoops
[02:10] <jose> ubottu: info firefox
[02:10] <jose> !info firefox
[02:10] <ubot2`> 'maverick' is not a valid distribution:
[02:10] <jose> that needs to be updated
[02:31] <IdleOne> jose: ping jpds about ubot2`
[02:31] <jose> well, I think you just did :P
[02:31] <IdleOne> ubot2`: nick ubot2
[02:31] <ubot2`> IdleOne: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
[02:31] <ubot2`> Factoid 'nick ubot2' not found
[02:31] <IdleOne> :/
[02:32] <Unit193> ubot2`: user list
[02:32] <ubot2`> Unit193: andol, ayrton, Cation_H, CyL, hateball, JoseeAntonioR, jpds, khanh_coltech, macer1, MaWaLe, MrTux_HDB, Nafallo, Philip5, progfou, purity^, Sebastien, Ursinha, yeager, and zj3t3mju
[02:32] <ubot2`> Factoid 'user list' not found
[02:32] <Unit193> Well that's fun.
[02:32] <jose> :P
[02:33] <Unit193> defaultcapability remove user.register
[06:45] <MooDoo> hello all
[07:20] <Unit193> Moooooo.
[07:21] <MooDoo> :)
[23:35] <bkerensa> AlanBell: Hey I just wanted to give a heads up that I am giving up my Ubuntu IRC cloak so I can switch to a Firefox Team cloak
[23:35] <bkerensa> AlanBell: Freenode suggested I should let you know since you guys track cloaks
[23:41] <hggdh> bkerensa: thank you, acted on
[23:51] <AlanBell> bkerensa: thanks for that, now, what firefox os handset should I get?
[23:52] <AlanBell> huwawei y300 looks good
[23:53] <AlanBell> dunno if it will only work on the Y300II later this year or if a current model will do
[23:53] <bkerensa> AlanBell: Idk there are so many nice ones the Huawei is nice or the ZTE Open C but ZTE borked stuff so maybe avoid them
[23:53] <bkerensa> I'm getting a tablet next week
[23:53] <bkerensa> :D
[23:53] <AlanBell> I want a bit more dots than the 320x480 screens
[23:53] <bkerensa> yeah
[23:55] <AlanBell> Fire S also sounds good, but that won't be out for ages it seems


[16:18] <bcurtiswx> hey rickspencer3 , any people you could possibly contact on our behalf to get http://dc.ubuntu-us.org/ finally finished ?
[16:18] <bcurtiswx> rt.ubuntu.com #22941
[16:18] <bcurtiswx> is the case i have open on it
[16:18] <rickspencer3> hi bcurtiswx let me jiggle the handle and see what happens
[16:19] <bcurtiswx> rickspencer3, thank you.
[16:21]  * adom pokes his head in...
[16:21] <adom> hi all, been checking in once and awhile lately. busy at work. any news on upcoming events/meetups?
[16:22] <bcurtiswx> adom, none ATM. I only have intermitten time for the LoCo i'm entering the last semester of my dissertation, only 5 months until you'll all have to call be Dr. :)
[16:22] <bcurtiswx> so unless kjcole gets time, it's going to go a little slow
[16:24] <adom> understood doc ;)