[00:11] <shadeslayer> IIRC qapt just compiled with Qt5
[00:37] <mamarley> I just noticed that kde-config-touchpad is obsoleted now.  Is there any intended upgrade path?  How am I supposed to change the touchpad settings now?
[00:41] <manchicken> mamarley: Input Devices?
[00:43] <mamarley> manchicken: I thought that was kde-config-touchpad.
[00:51] <manchicken> mamarley: http://kshadeslayer.wordpress.com/2014/02/11/new-touchpad-management-app-in-kubuntu-14-04/
[00:52] <mamarley> Ah, OK.  Thanks!
[01:48]  * manchicken buys a polo shirt...
[03:48] <manchicken> That awkward moment when your unit tests work, but the application running the exact same scenario is not.
[08:21] <Peace-> Riddell: error on 14.04
[08:21] <Peace-> sudo apt-get install  plasma-widget-*
[08:21] <Peace-> Reading package lists... Done
[08:21] <Peace-> Building dependency tree
[08:21] <Peace-> Reading state information... Done
[08:21] <Peace-> E: Unable to locate package plasma-widget-folderview_4.11.2-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[08:21] <Peace-> E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'plasma-widget-folderview_4.11.2-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb'
[08:21] <Peace-> E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'plasma-widget-folderview_4.11.2-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb'
[08:33] <Riddell> Peace-: plasma-widget-folderview is there, what happensif you just install it?
[08:36] <Peace-> Riddell: well i have already installed that and if i try to reinstall it it just doens't give me message
[08:36] <Peace-> but with plasma-widget-* gives that error
[08:55] <Riddell> Peace-: um hmm, dunno sorry
[08:56] <Peace-> Riddell: well it's not a problem for me :D it was just for you, i mean i was trying to help the develop on 14.04 reporting what was not working fine , for me it's not a problem use alphas
[08:57] <jussi> Riddell: do you know when agateau is back?
[08:58] <Riddell> jussi: nope, next week I guess
[08:58] <jussi> ok, thanks
[09:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: bug 1282461
[09:11] <apachelogger> bug 1282462
[09:14] <apachelogger> bug 1282464
[09:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what I still don't get btw is why you first getDriverDict and then *always* move on to getDriverMapForDevice, if you always want both anyway, why don't you have one getter that returns a complete map of maps?
[09:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: bug 1282471 myohmy
[09:26]  * apachelogger all bugged out again, can't upload k-n-h because changlog is sad
[09:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: I uploaded libkubuntu
[09:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: oh cool, one less thing on my todo list
[09:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: what about notification-helper?
[09:41] <Riddell> trying out opensuse, they have a black theme, yuck
[09:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: waiting for shadeslayer to write a changelog
[09:58] <Riddell> yuck, I try to install umbrello and it wants to install gstreamer and flash
[09:58] <Riddell> come back qapt, all if forgiven!
[10:02] <mikhas> Riddell, why do you need to bring UML back from the dead?!
[10:02] <Riddell> hey UML is useful, it get me an A at university, academics love that stuff
[10:51] <Riddell> not convinced by the fedora installer, doesn't follow any linear progression
[10:54] <Riddell> and Done button in the top left is just confusing
[11:01]  * apachelogger asks Riddell to keep his cards updated https://trello.com/c/fuFnpLVf
[11:02] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: https://trello.com/c/OUuTZcud did you see my comment?
[11:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: was the plasma-nm git snapshot approved by upstream?
[11:24]  * apachelogger sighs
[11:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug
[11:26] <apachelogger> bug 1282523
[11:26] <apachelogger> I am getting overly sick of this btw
[11:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes, it'll get a release in a couple of weeks
[11:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: upload with po
[11:38] <apachelogger> we have QA deadlines
[11:39] <apachelogger> and if shit is broken for no good reason the QA is pointless
[12:16] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:25] <Peace-> hola BluesKaj
[12:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: tried doing it that way earlier, Q/DBus couldn't handle the types
[12:41] <apachelogger> that sounds wrong given that dbus (and qt) can handle any old binary data even
[12:41]  * ghostcube gets testing kdeconnect 0.5 \o
[12:42] <ghostcube> *goes
[13:05] <ghostcube> hmmm. anypone the same problem, that the kdeconnect settings part inside systemsettings is empty after upgrade to 0.5?
[13:07] <Riddell> having looked at opensuse, fedora and debian today I can confidently say we're still the best
[13:07] <Riddell> although fedora wins points for being kde idealisted with calligra and konqueror installed, but then loses them with a load of gtk config tools
[13:09] <sgclark> Riddell: morning, hope your feeling better, can you take a look at kdbusaddons, had to fix symbols file error
[13:09] <Riddell> ghostcube: works for me
[13:09] <ghostcube> hmmm
[13:11] <ghostcube> Riddell: ok, after restart its working again
[13:11] <BluesKaj> Hey Peace- , din't see you there, got joins turned off
[13:12] <Peace-> :)
[13:12] <Peace-> i have killed X i guess
[13:13] <Riddell> sgclark: onto it
[13:13] <BluesKaj> Peace-,  how?
[13:13] <Peace-> BluesKaj: crtl alt backspace
[13:14] <BluesKaj> oh deliberately , ok :)
[13:14] <Peace-> yes i was testing opegl egl with kwin
[13:14] <Peace-> and i closed konsole where was running kwin :D
[13:15] <Peace-> so i was not be able to switch window
[13:15] <mgraesslin> pro-tip: use yakuake for such usecases, less chances to accidentially close it
[13:15]  * Peace- got it
[13:15] <BluesKaj> yakuake rocks
[13:27] <soee> yes :)
[13:29] <apachelogger> meh
[13:29] <apachelogger> trusty vbox still has tiny resolution :'<
[13:31] <Riddell> sgclark: kdbusaddons uploaded
[13:31] <sgclark> thanks!
[13:33] <Riddell> jussi: do you need that shirts announce on the website?
[13:34] <jussi> Riddell: that would be nice, havent had time to put it on the wire yet... somethign called "work" :D
[13:39] <apachelogger> oh great, qemu also hates me :'<
[13:40] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: I did see your comment. I'm not sure what can I do about it. Should I ask the developer to prepare the code for translations?
[13:41] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: you could ask the translators to translate :P
[13:45] <ghostcube> hmmm 0.5 is nice but seems not working as 0.4
[13:46] <ghostcube> sending files from phone to kde doesnt work here ... hmm
[13:47] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: how do I do that?
[13:47] <ovidiu-florin> How do I contact them?
[13:47] <ovidiu-florin> is there a mail list for this?
[13:53] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-i18n-doc
[13:53] <apachelogger> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-i18n-doc&m=139239352006237&w=2 as example mail
[13:55] <ghostcube> hmm ok i tried but it think kdeconnect 0.5 broke data send from phone to desktop
[13:55] <ghostcube> it worked fine in 0.4.x
[13:58] <manchicken> Howdy
[14:01] <shadeslayer> afternoon
[14:48] <sgclark> Riddell: kiconthemes ready
[14:58] <manchicken1> apachelogger: Thanks for your help.
[14:59] <BluesKaj> are the the kde 4.12.2 packages for 12.04 ready for the repos yet?
[15:02] <Riddell> sgclark: uploaded
[15:08] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: yeah, I'll copy them over
[15:10] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, great, thanks, had a 12.04 user asking whether there was something wrong with his system because it wouldn't update kde.
[15:10] <BluesKaj> err upgrade
[15:11] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: done, please wait 30 minutes before upgrading
[15:12] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, I'll tell him if he returns
[15:12] <shadeslayer> cheers
[15:14] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1272687] Shutdown sometimes hangs on Kubuntu 14.04 Daily Build @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1272687 (by Marco Parillo)
[15:20] <sgclark> Riddell: kservice is broken, I think it needs to be rebuilt with new dbusaddons, is there a way to do that?
[15:58] <DonkeyHotei> Riddell: is there any chance kubuntu-active will work by release day?
[15:59] <sgclark> Riddell: is there a reason we named libkf5attica1.0 when it is  attica-4.96.0.tar.xz on frameworks site?
[16:00] <Riddell> DonkeyHotei: unlikely, nobody is working on it, but fixes welcome
[16:00] <shadeslayer> sgclark: probably named after the library that is being installed :)
[16:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw did you investigate why calling dh_installwm makes tests work on framework integration?
[16:01] <Riddell> sgclark: kdbusaddons is built, just retry kservice no?
[16:01] <Riddell> sgclark: kservice is also built, what's the issue?
[16:01] <sgclark> Riddell: correct, shlibs called mispelled dbusaddons, just rebuild
[16:02] <sgclark> Riddell: will correct itself
[16:02] <sgclark> Riddell: kservice that is
[16:02] <Riddell> sgclark: the source package attica-kf5 was renamed to stop it clashing with attica that builds with qt4
[16:02] <Riddell> sgclark: libkf5attica1.0 binary package is named after the library
[16:03] <sgclark> Riddell: right, got that, was confused on 1.0, but clarified nw
[16:26] <Peace-> Riddell: the flash kcm module isn't on repos ?
[16:28] <Riddell> flash kcm module?
[16:29] <Peace-> Riddell: http://nowardev.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/flashkubuntu.png
[16:31] <Peace-> Riddell: it's on flashplayer tar.gz that you can get from adobe http://wstaw.org/m/2014/02/20/plasma-desktopF26020.png
[16:39] <Riddell> I don't know anything about it I'm afraid, packages welcome but
[16:58] <yofel_> bah, missed him. adobe-flash-properties-kde is in partner
[17:03] <shadeslayer> yofel: any news on the lxc front?
[17:16] <shadeslayer> Riddell: might want to announce KDE SC 4.12.2 + KDE Workspace 4.11.6 on Kubuntu News
[17:39] <sgclark> Riddell: attica ready
[17:48] <sgclark> Riddell: sorry to bug you, kservice needs to be rebuilt, clogging up the works.
[17:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger:
[17:54] <shadeslayer> ping
[17:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I'm not sure how to solve this tbh https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-driver-manager/+bug/1280773
[18:01] <yofel> shadeslayer: not really, was busy yesterday. I'm looking at it now
[18:01] <shadeslayer> thx
[18:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw I see a strigi merge
[18:19] <yofel> shadeslayer: hm... I'm running it now. But at least the setup step seems to work. It's installing packages for saucy.
[18:19] <yofel> Where did your test fail again?
[18:21] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6966771/
[18:22] <shadeslayer> yofel: if it works for you, please file for a merge
[18:22] <yofel> configuring upgrader for LTS upgrade
[18:22] <yofel> that's precise->trusty?
[18:22] <yofel> ok, seems like I'm not at that point yet
[18:24] <yofel> shadeslayer: I think that would need a new branch just for the profiles.  (At least not until I look over the diff again)
[18:24] <yofel> hm... actually... I remember seeing an LXC network failure once after an upgrade
[18:25] <yofel> brrrrrrr
[18:25] <yofel> it failed
[18:25] <shadeslayer> same backlog?
[18:26] <yofel> not quite, but same error in the end http://paste.ubuntu.com/6966802/
[18:27] <shadeslayer> same backtrace too
[18:27] <yofel> yeah, the container is trash
[18:27] <yofel> hm
[18:27] <yofel> or not o.O
[18:29] <yofel> shadeslayer: does ubuntu actually use LXC? I remember that at least the qemu backend worked fine  last year
[18:29] <yofel> we just had no hardware for it
[18:30] <shadeslayer> I think so
[18:30] <shadeslayer> atleast stgraber was working on it IIRC
[18:30] <yofel> hm, lets see if I can figure out what happens
[18:30] <yofel> yeah, I remember that
[18:31] <yofel> I *think* there's a race condition somewhere. If I run the upgrade process again after the bootstrap was done it starts upgrading
[18:32] <shadeslayer> I see
[18:34] <yofel> at least it seems to be doing something. Sadly you don't see the package download process during upgrade, but I have something causing network traffic
[19:35] <pedahzur> Not sure if this is a dev question, but since it's KDE backports, I'll ask. So, I have "http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu precise main" enabled for my system. Today I see there is an update.  Running dist-upgrade tells me that kdm and kubuntu-desktop will be removed. I know kubuntu-desktop is a meta-package, but removing kdm seems a bit worrisome. Thoughts?
[19:48] <Peace-> pedahzur: well kdm it's the login stuff
[19:48] <Peace-> pedahzur:btw you should check if you have lightdm
[19:49] <Peace-> cuz it's the default login manager
[19:53] <yofel> pedahzur: could you please run 'apt-get -o debug::pkgproblemresolver=true dist-upgrade' and pastebin the output after cancelling? Thanks!
[19:53] <yofel> Peace-: about your flash question earlier: adobe-flash-properties-kde is in partner if you're looking for it
[19:54] <yofel> don't ask me why the installer doesn't have it
[19:54] <Peace-> yofel:  on 14.04^?
[19:55] <yofel> likely not, unless partner has already been uploaded. The saucy package should work though
[19:55] <Peace-> yofel: infact
[19:55] <Peace-> ok yofel perfect
[19:55] <Peace-> i have installed it manually btw :D
[19:56] <Peace-> yofel: i had to use it because i was trying to record a video with flashplayer
[19:57] <Peace-> yofel: and i am not able to activate the website from flashplayer i mean from here https://www.youtube.com/my_webcam?privacy=public
[19:57] <Peace-> yofel: flashplayer refuses to be clickable
[19:57] <yofel> I fear I can't help there..
[19:57] <pedahzur> Peace-: No lightdm installed.
[19:57] <Peace-> yofel: no problem yofel with kcm module i was be able to do the job
[19:57] <pedahzur> yofel: Here you go. Looks like a couple broken deps. https://gist.github.com/jkugler/9121933
[19:58] <Peace-> pedahzur: ok so if you remove kdm you will not have a login manager
[19:58] <pedahzur> Peace-: Right.
[19:58] <Peace-> pedahzur: so basically you will not able to login graphically
[19:58] <pedahzur> Peace-: startx isn't a command I've run for quite a while. :)
[19:58] <Peace-> ctrl alt f3 will help ;)
[19:58] <Peace-> pedahzur: ok
[19:59] <Peace-> pedahzur: just install lightdm and lightdm-kde-greeter
[19:59] <yofel> odd, let me try to reproduce that
[20:11] <pedahzur> yofel: Kubuntunix in #kubuntu said he installed a new sysv-rc package from http://ppa.launchpad.net/dirk-computer42/c42-backport/ubuntu/pool/main/s/sysvinit/  Which is great that he got it working, but one probably should nothave to do that, correct? :)
[20:11] <pedahzur> user *Kubuntuix
[20:11] <yofel> not really, I'm looking into it
[20:13] <yofel> o.O
[20:17] <yofel> I think debhelper messed something up here :/
[20:17] <yofel> shadeslayer: why did we need a debhelper backport again?
[20:24] <yofel> pedahzur: I have a fix, might take 2-3 hours until it's in the PPA though
[20:24] <yofel> thanks for bringing this up
[20:43] <yuriy> I also ran into this kdm problem. it got removed.
[20:43] <yuriy> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[20:43] <yuriy>  kdm : Depends: sysv-rc (>= 2.88dsf-24) but 2.88dsf-13.10ubuntu11.1 is to be installed or
[20:43] <yuriy>                 file-rc (>= 0.8.16) but it is not installable
[20:46] <pedahzur> yofel: You're welcome. Thanks for the quick turn-around!
[21:36] <shadeslayer> yofel: cuz cmake
[21:36] <yofel> ah right :/
[21:37] <shadeslayer> bluedevil, y u no connect to speaker
[22:31] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1282770] PPA (Kubuntu-backports) update 4.12.2 removed KDM & kubuntu-desktop – reinstall fails @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1282770 (by Flames_in_Paradise)
[22:36] <miseria> la palabra manipuladora que dice un perdedor y arrogante pacifista si no estas conmigo, eres mi enemigo  bienvenidos httpcastroruben.com temo_a_un_ser_sin_rival
[23:10] <yuriy> thank you yofel!
[23:36] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1282770] PPA (Kubuntu-backports) update 4.12.2 removed KDM & kubuntu-desktop – reinstall fails @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1282770 (by Flames_in_Paradise)


[06:12]  * princedimond pokes aroudn from time to time
[06:12] <princedimond> i tend to just make peaches mad though XD cause a song comes to my head every time
[09:54] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[12:00] <icey> ahoy


[04:30] <ccheney> erm why does totem no longer show the time for files?
[04:30]  * ccheney hopes he doesn't get its a gnome thing as an answer
[04:43]  * ccheney takes a look at kubuntu again, i never thought gnome would get to the point of driving users away from dumbing itself down that much :-\
[04:48]  * hyperair hasn't used totem in a long time
[04:48] <hyperair> gstreamer sucks rather grandly at rendering hi-res videos on machines that can barely handle it
[04:49] <ccheney> i use it to play various media files, it appears in lucid they decided knowing where you are in the file is too advanced for their users and removed the time display
[04:49] <hyperair> er that can't be right. are you sure it's not a bug?
[04:49] <ccheney> crazy stuff like that when i file it as a bug it almost always turns out to be a 'feature'
[04:49] <ccheney> so i will file a bug but won't expect much
[04:50] <hyperair> ccheney: could i see a screenshot?
[04:50] <ccheney> pretty much every release there is some insanity going on where gnome removes features i want
[04:50] <ccheney> hyperair: in a couple minutes i will move back over to the lucid machine
[04:50] <hyperair> okay
[04:51] <hyperair> switching to KDE would be much easier if it actually played well with my ~/.config/autostart
[04:51] <hyperair> it runs every damn thing there even stuff that i've disabled in gnome
[04:51] <hyperair> and when i tell KDE to not run it, GNOME borks up and doesn't find the stuff any more
[04:51] <hyperair> so i have to manually edit those desktop files
[04:51] <hyperair> seriously..
[04:54] <ccheney> http://people.canonical.com/~ccheney/totem.png
[04:54] <ccheney> by playing there should be a current time / total time
[04:56] <hyperair> ah that
[04:56] <hyperair> i see
[04:58] <ccheney> filed a bugs 514619
[04:58]  * ccheney brb
[05:03] <ccheney> back
[05:03] <hyperair> ccheney: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/495269
[05:04] <hyperair> ccheney: looks like you filed a duplicate bug
[05:04] <ccheney> yea perhaps my lucid is out of date i thought it was newer than 1-27
[05:04]  * ccheney will update and verify then close it out
[05:06] <ccheney> kde is looking pretty nice though and konq seems much faster than firefox, might just be an illusion though
[05:08]  * hyperair likes chromium
[05:08] <hyperair> but firefox has been rather bloated and laggy lately
[05:09] <hyperair> might be that i have too many extensions though
[05:11] <ccheney> firefox without any extensions seems slower than konq, probably chromium as well
[05:11] <ccheney> hmm my ubuntu image was out of date apparently, upgrading now to verify the totem bug is gone
[05:13] <ccheney> hmm yea totem updates
[05:21] <ccheney> yep its fixed :)
[05:29] <hyperair> =)
[05:29] <hyperair> ccheney: did you mean firefox slower than chromium or chromium slower than konq?
[05:30] <ccheney> firefox is slower than konq and probably firefox slower than chromium too
[05:31] <ccheney> from what i recall chromium is supposed to be very fast
[05:32] <hyperair> yeah it is
[05:32] <hyperair> it just loves eating memory
[05:32] <hyperair> unsurprising since it opens up a crapton of processes
[05:34] <ccheney> oh anything that eats more ram than firefox isn't that great :-\
[05:34] <ccheney> firefox usually ends up taking several gb on my machines
[05:36] <hyperair> ..
[05:36] <hyperair> several GB..
[05:36] <hyperair> how?!
[05:36] <hyperair> the most i've ever seen firefox eat on my machine is.. 9%
[05:37] <hyperair> of 2G
[05:37] <hyperair> which is... 200M?
[05:37] <hyperair> my firefoxes are generally shortlived anyhow
[05:37] <hyperair> i think chromium shouldn't escalate too high, since it ditches its processes so frequently
[05:38] <hyperair> exception being the flash plugin.
[05:38] <hyperair> but you can force it to terminate as well
[05:38] <hyperair> and then there are certain sites that makes flash eat up 2GB of RAM in 10 seconds.
[05:39] <hyperair> first it begins swapping furiously, and the next thing i know, X has been OOM-killed
[05:42] <ccheney> firefox with nothing open just launched takes this on my box
[05:42] <ccheney> ccheney   2556  7.8  1.3<PHONE_NUMBER>6 ?        Sl   23:41   0:00 /usr/lib/firefox-3.6/firefox-bin
[05:42] <ccheney> so looks like 55MB with 448MB virt
[05:42] <ccheney> if i am reading that correctly
[05:43] <ccheney> with 3 pages open already at 113MB
[05:43] <ccheney> close 2 of them it only goes down to 109MB
[05:44] <ccheney> revert first page back to ubuntu home page still at 82MB
[05:44] <ccheney> so seems to be a bit leaky, and with long lived firefox instances can easily eat a lot of ram
[05:47] <hyperair> firefox and its damned leaks
[07:09] <Amaranth> hyperair: firefox doesn't leak, it takes your RAM hostage
[07:10] <hyperair> Amaranth: i suppose you could say that.
[07:10] <Amaranth> it actually does
[07:10] <Amaranth> run it on a machine with less RAM and it uses less RAM
[07:10] <hyperair> Amaranth: no actually i think it leaks. you can end up with eventually 200M usage with one tab open.
[07:10] <Amaranth> I think they notice if they were leaking that much :/
[07:11] <Amaranth> That's not "it leaks in this odd corner case" that's "it never frees _anything_"
[07:11] <Amaranth> Actually it basically never does free anything, it keeps a certain numbers of pages in your history completely loaded so the back button works instantly
[07:12] <Amaranth> But it only up to a certain percentage of system memory usage or until only a certain amount is left free or something
[07:17] <hyperair> is that so?
[07:17] <hyperair> i use the firefox daily packages
[07:17] <hyperair> and it seems that the upper limit is 9-10% of my memory
[07:17] <hyperair> my firefox processes are generally short-lived though
[07:18] <hyperair> but like ccheney said, his could easily take a few GB
[10:23] <kklimonda> good morning
[12:36] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson, ping?
[12:36] <kklimonda> or anyone familiar with gnome? :)
[12:38] <chrisccoulson> hey kklimonda
[12:38] <chrisccoulson> wassup?
[12:39] <chrisccoulson> you're going to ask me about broken gconf default settings?
[12:41] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson, I was wondering - I keep some of my music on a second partition which isn't automatically mounted on boot. Now when I run rhythmbox I'd expect it to mount this partition so it can access music but it doesn't and I have to do it by hand. I'm wondering whenever it's a limitation of the gio/gvfs itself or does rhythmbox shouldn't store real paths to files and something like disk://id/path instead (as smb:// or ssh://)
[12:42] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson, no - I just assume that gconf is broken by design ;)
[12:42] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson, but if you have time you can take a look at bug 512391 - initial reports about 1.83 are pretty positive.
[12:43] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda - your dilemma has been discussed before. it's a limitation in gvfs at the moment, because you have to access the files using the file:/// URI
[12:43] <chrisccoulson> and so there is information about the filesystem structure there (ie, you need to mount the disk before accessing the files on it)
[12:44] <chrisccoulson> i actually did think about writing a new backend to handle cases like this, but I don't have enough experience with gvfs, and i don't know if its something that upstream would want
[12:44] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson, heh - so much thought went into gio/gvfs but this thing is pretty basic for people with dual boot :/
[12:44] <kklimonda> (that's actually how I've found out about it - by testing windows 7 ;) )
[12:45] <chrisccoulson> well, maybe i should invest some time to try and figure out how that could work
[12:45] <chrisccoulson> anyway, i'll have a look at your transmission update later. i'm taking my daughter out shopping now :)
[12:45] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson, and is there any automount built-in into GNOME so people don't have to mess with /etc/fstab ?
[12:45] <kklimonda> sure
[12:45] <chrisccoulson> the update looks fairly trivial :)
[12:45] <kklimonda> it is
[12:46] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda - no, there is no way of automatically mounting stuff in GNOME when you log in, without editting /etc/fstab
[12:46] <kklimonda> I was afraid of that :/
[12:46] <chrisccoulson> but it has been discussed before that dk-disks (or now, udisks) may grow a D-Bus API in the future for editting /etc/fstab
[12:46] <chrisccoulson> which will then make it possible to do this from graphical front-ends
[12:47] <chrisccoulson> so, it may happen one day ;)
[12:47] <kklimonda> I guess we need something like this anyway - not all apps are going to be ported to gvfs/gio anyway :/
[23:36] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda, i'll sponsor your transmission update now :)


[00:13] <basy> how can i get current master volume level and how to volume up/down in konsole on alsa drivers ... ???
[00:13] <DarthFrog> alsamixer
[00:15] <basy> alsamixer runs its own application :(, i need something: alsamixer -master=+10, or alsamixe -get-master-vol with result 77 ....
[00:15] <basy> i am looking for simple command...
[00:15] <DarthFrog> amixer
[00:16] <basy> yes that's the one, thanks
[00:19] <zmc> In text console (vt1) the console is not fullscreen, I get about 127x35 and the bottom part of the screen is inaccessable, even  from full screen text mode programs (emacs, vi, lynx etc) does anyone know how to change this behavior? (kubuntu-10.10 latest patches applied)
[01:17] <ussher_> is there a way to put a visual effect on a mouse click?  I want to use xvidcap to make a screencast of the delay between right mouse click and the menu opening.
[01:23] <t3rminat0r_> hello guys, can anyone access
[01:23] <t3rminat0r_> curl ftp://elib.zib-berlin.de
[01:23] <t3rminat0r_> ?
[01:25] <e_t_> t3rminat0r_: It looks like the site is down. http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/elib.zib-berlin.de
[01:27] <t3rminat0r_> i see...
[01:27] <t3rminat0r_> thanx man
[01:30] <t3rminat0r_> e_t_:
[01:30] <t3rminat0r_> however... http://elib.zib.de/
[01:30] <t3rminat0r_> it works :S
[01:34] <e_t_> t3rminat0r_: Well, no website will work if the address is wrong ;)
[01:35] <t3rminat0r_> yes
[01:35] <t3rminat0r_> but I need the ftp from that location :S
[01:38] <dalauni> hello world
[02:40] <ecinx> does anyone has sopcast?
[02:41] <ecinx> i can't install  it, I get ' Depends: lib32stdc++5 but it is not installable '
[03:46] <yofel> ecinx: *that* is the wrong depencency, /usr/lib32/libstdc++.so.5 is provided by ia32-libs
[03:46] <ecinx> i don't understand
[03:47] <yofel> your sopcast package depends on the wrong package
[03:48] <yofel> so the package should be fixed to use the right library package
[03:49] <yofel> you could try to install sopcast with dpkg --force-depends, but apt might be unhappy about that
[03:53] <yangb> 5
[03:54] <yangb> hi all
[03:54] <Daskreech> hi
[03:59] <Daskreech> :)
[04:08] <intmed> how to use mobile gprs in kubuntu 10.10 ?
[04:15] <intmed> pls help
[04:24] <test_> 有中国的吗
[04:25] <Daskreech> intmed: What are you trying to do?
[04:25] <Daskreech> !gprs
[04:28] <test_> Is there any Chinese?
[04:28] <Daskreech> !cn
[04:32] <intmed> Daskreech: trying to use net on pc using the mobile gprs
[04:33] <intmed> how to create a dialer for my gprs
[04:33] <Daskreech> alright.
[04:35] <Daskreech> what GPRS modem are you using?
[04:37] <getpwnam> Is it possible for a single computer to take internet access down for an entire home wireless network? That's what seems to be happening to me.
[04:37] <intmed> mobile. nokia 5230
[04:57] <Daskreech> intmed: have you tried wvdial ?
[05:40] <lof> wheres the hardware support location for 3g modems and wifi?
[05:41] <Daskreech> !wifi
[05:44] <lof> i get wifi data on ttyUSB do you know how I can feed that to the kernel for a connection?
[05:46] <lof> i think
[05:46] <lof> i have a e5830 3g modem
[05:46] <lof> on 10.10 kubuntu
[05:46] <Daskreech> wvdial ?
[05:47] <lof> theres a network interface at ttyUSB2
[05:47] <lof> not dial up
[05:47] <Daskreech> ah
[05:48] <Daskreech> well if it's in /dev/tty then the kernel already knows about it
[05:48] <lof> does it know how to process it for a if connection
[05:49] <Daskreech> if you add it to /etc/network/interfaces then yes
[05:49] <lof> what is the the format for the entry
[05:49] <lof> or a short copy item
[05:50] <lof> which i can then play around with
[05:51] <lof> mail is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:52] <lof> mobile broadband comes up disabled
[05:53] <lof> in network manager
[05:54] <lof> oh ill try something
[05:54] <lof> rebooting
[06:27] <abdallah57> hi
[07:13] <X-Raimo> hello. Is KUbuntu good choise for LTSP Server? What about it stability?
[07:14] <susundberg> i would recommend debian stable for any server
[07:14] <susundberg> (and not ubuntu as ubuntu has lots more upgrades per month)
[07:16] <susundberg> Mh, wiki page on LTSP says "Some examples of distributions using LTSP are AbulÉdu, Edubuntu, K12LTSP and Skolelinux. Entities that support LTSP are the Cutter project and Dework"
[07:16] <X-Raimo> susundberg: I using debian and it works great. But it's hasn't got KDE4
[07:16] <susundberg> ah ok
[07:18] <susundberg> give it a try! Imho the latest stable kubuntu is fine (10.10) but natty (11.04) is not that stable
[07:18] <susundberg> though natty is still developing version (not published yet)
[07:18] <X-Raimo> I think I try 10.04LTS
[07:18] <susundberg> but even 11.04 will receive updates if not daily at least weekly
[07:18] <susundberg> sorry 10.10
[07:19] <X-Raimo> mainly because of LTS
[07:19] <susundberg> i ment to say that even 10.10 maintainer needs to be quite more active than maintainer of debian system
[07:19] <susundberg> ya. And i guess KDE depends on such amount of packages that installing it from source is not an option
[07:20] <susundberg> hey have you checked: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/
[07:20] <susundberg> KDE4.4.5 on debian testing
[07:20] <Tm_T> KDE 4.4 is rather old
[07:21] <susundberg> yes indeed.
[07:21] <susundberg> but its KDE4 allright
[07:21] <X-Raimo> susundberg: nope. Thanx for Link
[07:21] <Daskreech> X-Raimo: Debian has KDE4 just not in stable
[07:49] <mefistofeles> hey, has somebody installed kubuntu in a toshiba a665? just in case... I'm having a nightmare trying to install it
[08:22] <jhohn> mefistofeles: no, didn't but there seems to be some people in the ubuntu forums who had no problems except for the keyboard backlights, maybe there ist help for you: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1533744
[08:23] <mefistofeles> I've tried several times and the installer crashed... now Im trying with the alternate cd
[09:13] <fatcheu> hi everybody, i've got a little problem with kubuntu, the taskbar and the kickoff menu doesn't have any transparency when desktop compositing is enabled
[09:13] <mefistofeles> fatcheu: after you disabled it and re enabled it?
[09:13] <fatcheu> please tell me what should i do to fix it
[09:13] <fatcheu> yes
[09:14] <fatcheu> it's darker when enabled
[09:14] <mefistofeles> yeah, that's happening here as well, not in kubuntu but arch
[09:14] <mefistofeles> so I think it's a kde problem/bug
[09:14] <mefistofeles> but not sure
[09:15] <fatcheu> i installed 10.04 and kubuntu 4.5 is beautiful but, with 10.10 it's so dark
[09:15] <mefistofeles> well you can always change the theme
[09:16] <fatcheu> it's true
[09:18] <fatcheu> but air is really cool :)
[09:32] <fatcheu> mefistofeles: i've the answer if you care
[09:33] <bliss> hey
[09:33] <fatcheu> in the desktop composing config, advanced, use Vsync
[09:33] <bliss> are u really fat fatcheu
[09:34] <fatcheu> it's an expression in the western alpes
[09:34] <fatcheu> it's not about fat
[09:34] <fatcheu> it means "oh god"
[09:34] <bliss> haha
[09:35] <bliss> :P
[09:35] <bliss> i never knew
[09:35] <bliss> k
[09:35] <bliss> u like kubuntu?
[09:40] <bliss> hey iulian
[09:41] <iulian_> hi
[09:51] <mefistofeles> the alternate cd is taking a lot of time to install, is this normal?
[09:52] <mefistofeles> (and it's not downloading stuff)
[11:41] <nicklas_> kde 4.6 will hit updates or backports today?
[11:43] <geekosopher> nicklas_: kubuntu-ppa/backports probably
[11:57] <vanguard> does anybody know their way around the desktop effects?
[11:57] <vanguard> I could not enable them for some X-Server reason, after clicking a couple times I got them enables with XRender, but the "all effects" tab is completely empty
[11:58] <vanguard> what is going on with my system?
[12:00] <nicklas_> is the 4.6 update gonna be so major that youre gonna have to reconfigure stuff?
[12:04] <nicklas_> apperantly i have to go
[12:27] <peter____> I received /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/include/linux/pci_ids.h:2: fatal error:
[12:27] <peter____> │<EMAIL_ADDRESS>No such file or directory
[12:27] <peter____> │ compilation terminated.
[12:27] <peter____> when tried to compile alsa driver
[12:27] <peter____> please help
[12:28] <bliss> #chat
[12:34] <bl4ckc00k1e> hi, my scripts on autostart, dosnt work... i dont understand why...
[12:35] <bl4ckc00k1e> i put the scripts on ~/.kde3/Autostart
[12:35] <bl4ckc00k1e> and they dont work... i never have this problem before...
[12:38] <bliss> hey all
[12:38] <bliss> join #worldnet
[12:49] <FloridaGuy> where do i find not service manager...but a better package that shows every servive runing...that will lets you trun them off....like system services
[12:54] <vanguard> my up key does not work anymore ... what can I do?
[12:56] <FloridaGuy> vanguard: click on what you want to control...use numpad...shify + 8
[12:56] <FloridaGuy> that is up key
[12:57] <bliss> use your mouse
[12:57] <bliss> instead
[12:59] <progre55> hi guys. when I try sharing a folder using dolphin, it asks for my password, but then does nothing.. any suggestions, please?
[13:05] <vanguard> FloridaGuy: yeah, that works, but the up key between the two blocks does not work somehow
[13:05] <vanguard> bliss: how should I use the mouse in the console?
[13:07] <bl4ckc00k1e> hi, i can start script on kde
[13:08] <bl4ckc00k1e> i put the script on .kde and .kde3
[13:08] <bl4ckc00k1e> i change /bin/bash to /bin/sh/.. nothing
[13:08] <bl4ckc00k1e> i dont know what can i do
[13:09] <vanguard> bl4ckc00k1e: what do you mean?
[13:09] <vanguard> bl4ckc00k1e: usually, the script just acts in the background, you do not see anything
[13:09] <Riddell> ** testing needed for 4.6.0
[13:09] <bl4ckc00k1e> vanguard,  i make 2 script on autostart, yakuake and conky
[13:09] <bl4ckc00k1e> and they dont start..
[13:09] <bl4ckc00k1e> i strange, beacuse before formating, they works before
[13:10] <vanguard> Riddell: how can I test without killing my working machine?
[13:10] <mefistofeles> bl4ckc00k1e: did you put it in the autostart dir?
[13:10] <mefistofeles> with execution permissions?
[13:10] <bl4ckc00k1e> mefistofeles, yeah /home/xxxx/.kde3/Autostart and i make other .kde/Autostart... and nothing
[13:10] <vanguard> should I use VirtualBox or qemu/kvm for Kubuntu on Kubuntu?
[13:10] <bl4ckc00k1e> yeah, chmod +x
[13:12] <bl4ckc00k1e> mefistofeles, there are and other rute for that??
[13:12] <mefistofeles> no that I know of, sorry
[13:14] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:17] <vanguard> Riddell: I am installing Kubuntu 10.10 in a vm now, if you would like to tell me how to use the newest KDE, I'll happy to try it out
[13:23] <BluesKaj> vanguard, to upgrade to the newest kde , do : sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports , then do : sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa , this updates to latest major and minor updates.
[13:23] <hXm> hello, good morning
[13:23] <Riddell> vanguard: it's in ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports  the just dist-upgrade
[13:24] <Riddell> hi hXm
[13:24] <hXm> i have configured a webdav server that works fine from mac and linux, but windows is not able to connect, what i do wrong? is it fault of dav config?
[13:24] <vanguard> hXm: do you get an error message?
[13:24] <hXm> yes, windows ask for an user that is never validated
[13:24] <hXm> but that same user via mac works
[13:27] <vanguard> hXm: I had a problem with that as well on Windows XP and an XAMPP/windows
[13:27] <vanguard> hXm: Do you use SSL?
[13:27] <hXm> nope i dont
[13:27] <vanguard> hXm: IIRC the problem is with the native Windows DAV Client and no SSL, try with SSL plz
[13:28] <hXm> oh, ok!
[13:28] <hXm> i guess i should create a certificate and all that?
[13:28] <vanguard> hXm: If there is no default cert you would need to issue yourself one. On my XAMPP install, I just switched http for https and there already was a cert
[13:30] <hXm> i tried that from this computer but i get an error
[13:30] <hXm> so i guess i shall need reconfigure webdav
[13:30] <vanguard> what server do you use
[13:30] <vanguard> ?
[13:30] <hXm> apache
[13:31] <hXm> apache2 and the webdav packages that kubuntu provided
[13:32] <vanguard> hXm: I have never used that before, I always install my comfy little LAMPP sandbox, and it is all set up there
[13:32] <vanguard> but I assume that you need to enable SSL in the apache conf and generate a certificate, maybe you even need to install openssl or something
[13:36] <Alvin> I feel KDE 4.6 approaching.
[13:37] <mefistofeles> Alvin: he's coming to eat our whole machine resources!
[13:37] <mefistofeles> j/k
[13:38] <vanguard> Riddell: I added the packports and do the dist-upgrade now ... it will take some time -- mind my internet connection
[13:40] <Riddell> thanks vanguard, I take it no worrying packages are due for removal in the dist-upgrade?
[13:41] <jose__> alguien me puede echar una mano?
[13:41] <mefistofeles> not sure if spanish is allowed here
[13:44] <Alvin> Oh, is the 4.6 upload completed then?
[13:45] <BluesKaj> dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Errors were encountered while processing:  apport apport-kde
[13:45] <BluesKaj> uhoh
[13:46] <nerdy_kid> Is it possible to get partial upgrades? say, if the packagers havn't uploaded all the new packages or something, not really sure how that all works
[13:47] <Alvin> nerdy_kid: I wouldn't try that and wait
[13:47] <nerdy_kid> Alvin: so you are saying that it is possible, and I should wait a bit before I upgrade?
[13:49] <Alvin> nerdy_kid: I think that you can do it right now, but that it might leave your system in a broken state. So yes. I'd wait for the official announcement at kubuntu.org/
[13:49] <nerdy_kid> Alvin: ok, thanks :)
[13:51]  * BluesKaj decides to leave ant reboors til the apport depends prob is fixed
[13:51] <BluesKaj> any reboots
[13:53] <vanguard> Riddel: I am not sure, I did not look and the terminal buffer is too short to look back
[13:57] <vanguard> why is vim not installed on a standard kubuntu install?
[13:58] <Alvin> At the moment, there are some unresolved dependencies: http://pastebin.com/knrzFiKf
[13:59] <Alvin> vanguard: lol. (That's an Ubuntu decision I think. It's probably too large and an extension of vim anyway. I actually know people who prefer vi above vim, so it's a better choice to make it optional)
[14:00] <Alvin> Probably the same reason they abandoned aptitude and tasksel. Space on the cd.
[14:00] <vanguard> Alvin: I realize that everybody who can use vim knows that "sudo apt-get install vim" does the trick. So I do not mind that too much.
[14:04] <vanguard> Riddell: I believe that everything went through, where can I see the KDE version?
[14:05] <vanguard> Riddell: Well, it is still 4.5.1
[14:06] <Riddell> vanguard: are you sure you added ppa backports?
[14:07] <vanguard> Riddell: well, I just fired up KPackageKit and it offers me kdelibs5_4.6.0-0ubuntu1... --- I run the updated again I guess
[14:08] <vanguard> Riddell: It wants to uninstall all the -0buntux packages and install the -0ubuntux~maverick1~paax. I guess that is the way to go
[14:11] <Riddell> vanguard: yes
[14:12] <Alvin> The announcement on http://www.kubuntu.org is there, but are the packages completely uploaded yet? I still see conflicts.
[14:14] <Riddell> Alvin: are you using 10.10?
[14:14] <baxeico> Hi, I tried to do aptitude dist-upgrade (kubuntu maverick backports ppa enabled, and kde 4.5.5 already installed)
[14:15] <baxeico> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[14:15] <baxeico>   libkonq5a: Conflicts: libkonq5 but 4:4.5.5-0ubuntu1.1ppa1 is installed.
[14:15] <baxeico>   libakonadiprotocolinternals1: Breaks: libakonadiprivate1 but 1.4.0-0ubuntu1 is installed.
[14:15] <Alvin> Riddell: Yes, with kubuntu-ppa-backports and ubuntu-x-swar-x-updates
[14:15] <baxeico> then aptitude suggest to remove many packages
[14:15] <Riddell> Alvin: can you paste  apt-cache policy kontact
[14:15] <Riddell> baxeico: please pastebin the full output
[14:16] <Riddell> baxeico: also  apt-cache policy kontact
[14:16] <Alvin> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/rHUcR0NC
[14:17] <Alvin> I have the same messages as baxeico
[14:17] <baxeico> Riddel: full output -> http://pastebin.com/1Pwkr8f0
[14:19] <baxeico> Riddel: apt-cache output -> http://pastebin.com/N3gABUEk
[14:21] <Riddell> baxeico, Alvin: bear with me
[14:24]  * Riddell waits for new kdepim to publish
[14:25] <baxeico> Riddell: no prob. thank you!
[14:25] <Alvin> Cool, a new kdepim!
[14:25] <darthanubis> Cool KDE 4.6!
[14:26] <Riddell> darthanubis: let me know how the install goes
[14:26] <BluesKaj> yeah, but it's still RC , darthanubis
[14:26] <darthanubis> np
[14:27] <Riddell> well it's final, but since nobody tested when I asked it has only been tested on my setup so far :)
[14:28] <BluesKaj> Riddell, hmm, I still have the RC version...of course I'm running natty
[14:28] <vanguard> I think I just uninstalled kpackagekit with itself ...
[14:28] <vanguard> and I cannot reinstall because auf unmet dependencies
[14:29] <BluesKaj> vanguard, no loss , just use the cli with aptitude
[14:30] <vanguard> Thanks Disk Saving People: sudo: aptitude: command not found
[14:30] <vanguard> :D
[14:30] <Alvin> vanguard: The fact that you can actually uninstall kpackagekit with itself is pretty cool :-)
[14:30] <vanguard> Alvin: Well, it crashed half the way though :D
[14:30] <Alvin> vanguard: Do you still have dpkg?
[14:30] <Alvin> vanguard: Ow, we should file a bug ;-)
[14:30] <vanguard> Alvin: dpkg ist still there
[14:31] <BluesKaj> kpackagekit is clunky , try Muon if yo ned a package manager GUI , vanguard..and just do sudo apt-get instal aptitude
[14:31] <BluesKaj> err install
[14:31] <vanguard> aptitude is already installed. is KPackageKit written in Py?
[14:31] <Riddell> baxeico, Alvin: new kdepim should be published, update and try again
[14:32]  * Alvin tries
[14:32] <maco> vanguard: no
[14:32] <vanguard> How do I install the kde now with aptitude? I do not want kde-full, that is too big I guess
[14:32] <maco> vanguard: kpk has no dependency on python
[14:33] <BluesKaj> aptitude is merely a substitute for apt in the cli, but it handles dependencies better with most apps than apt
[14:33] <maco> vanguard:  why aptitude not apt-get?
[14:33] <vanguard> maco: because Alvin told me so :)
[14:33] <Alvin> Riddell: Loads better, but still 2 conflicts. http://pastebin.com/ZL7faz1t Can libakonadiprivate1 and libkonq5 be removed safely?
[14:34] <Riddell> Alvin: yes that's fine
[14:34] <maco> BluesKaj: ehhh.....ive had a lot of times where aptitude couldnt figure out how to install updates for kubuntu. it complained of conflicts or missing dependencies that weren't actually the case. apt-get did it just fine
[14:34] <Alvin> Riddell: Thanks. I'll try. Can take a while. Not the fastest internet here...
[14:34] <vanguard> A sudo apt-get dist-upgrade does not do anything, so I guess most of my KDE is gone now
[14:34] <maco> (where a lot can be taken to mean "greater than or equal to three, then i learned my lesson")
[14:34] <vanguard> what is the package name of a small kde install?
[14:35] <maco> vanguard:  i think you could just install kde-plasma-desktop
[14:36] <BluesKaj> maco, that's because aptitude detects problems that apt doesn't in some cases and is more cautious , requiring more resulting stability ...sometimes it's overdone but I stick by it.
[14:37] <maco> BluesKaj: i  usually hit these problems when a new kde release is uploaded. then id complain in #kubuntu-devel about the update not being installable and id be told that its because "aptitude has broken dependency resolution"
[14:37] <vanguard> maco: I installed that, I'll reboot to see how much of my VM is left :D
[14:38] <vanguard> new wallpaper, that is a good sign :)
[14:38] <maco> BluesKaj: i think the part where aptitude was known for good dependency handling was more on the removal side -- since it removed the dependencies instead of cluttering and requiring deborphan... but apt-get does that now too
[14:38] <baxeico> Riddell: thanks, now I'm upgrading
[14:38] <baxeico> Riddell: removed libkonq5 and libakonadiprivate1
[14:40] <vanguard> BUG: it cannot load the showdesktop-widget that was in the kicker from 4.5 -- http://img5.imagebanana.com/img/07mlojtg/Arbeitsflaeche1_001.png
[14:40] <BluesKaj> maco, I think it's acase of apt goes where aptitude fears to tread :)
[14:41] <vanguard> Okay, 4.6.00 is running in my VM, what shall I test in particular?
[14:41] <Alvin> BluesKaj: nicely explained :-)
[14:42] <vanguard> Riddel: Is there anything in particular that I can test in 4.6?
[14:42]  * BluesKaj runs apt-get update :)
[14:45] <vanguard> BluesKaj: muon looks pretty sweet, thanks for the tip
[14:45] <BluesKaj> vanguard, yeah , as apackage manager it's next to synaptic IMO
[14:46] <vanguard> BluesKaj: synaptic was my favorite until I switched to KDE, and it just does not look to good there
[14:47] <BluesKaj> vanguard, you can change the synaptic look in synaptic itself in preferences
[14:50]  * BluesKaj switches back to ktorrent from deluge ...deluge hogs bandwidth for no reason
[14:52] <BluesKaj> deluge doesn't seem to follow port assignment rules . Interferes with the default browser ports onmy router
[14:54] <Riddell> vanguard: install plasma-widgets-addons
[14:56] <s3th_0ne> Hi! Is it somehow possible to get xchat transparency working with kwin?
[14:58] <darthanubis> reboot here we go
[14:59] <volty> hi, can somebody tell me why context menu "Send as attachment"  doesn't appear on samba shares files ?
[15:01] <markit> anyone experineced in ACL? I've set default group permissions, and work well if I create files in the related directory, but not if I COPY files there (dolphin), any clue?
[15:01] <Riddell> darthanubis: any luck?
[15:02] <darthanubis> perfecto!
[15:02] <Alvin> We can add certificates now!
[15:02] <darthanubis> more testing after work
[15:03] <darthanubis> but no more plasma crashes on logout
[15:05] <Alvin> Ah, but the Printer Configuration is broken again. That happens a lot on upgrades.
[15:05]  * maco looks at Riddell
[15:06]  * Riddell whistles
[15:07] <Alvin> I'm just going through the System Settings.
[15:09] <Alvin> 'User Management' crashes.  (The service 'User Management' does not provide an interface 'KCModule' with keyword 'userconfig/userconfig.pytThe factory does not support creating components of the specified type. Now, I have seen that one before. Let me search a bit.
[15:09] <darthanubis> luv it!
[15:10] <Alvin> A regression of Bug 514796
[15:10] <BajK_> which package do I need to enable sending files to kopete contacts using kipi?
[15:10] <BajK_> i have kipo-plugins-commons installed but all i get is facebook, flickr and stuff but not "Send to IM contaft"
[15:11] <BajK_> which is present on those KDe 4.6 release screenshots
[15:14] <Riddell> Alvin: kdebindings hasn't been updated to 4.6 yet, I'll need to look at python kcontrol modules when it has
[15:16] <Alvin> Riddell: np. I was just saying. For printer and user management, I always use the command line.
[15:17] <surunveri> hi
[15:17] <surunveri> is kubuntu secure?
[15:17] <TheNumb> surunveri: what do you mean?
[15:20] <surunveri> that
[15:20] <surunveri> is it secure if I am connected to the internet
[15:20] <surunveri> ?
[15:21] <TheNumb> surunveri: if you are doing regular updates..
[15:21] <TheNumb> Then yes, it should be.
[15:22] <BluesKaj> !virus | surunveri
[15:22] <BajK_> http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/4.6-elegantly-yours.png lol that looks kind of out of place
[15:22] <TheNumb> BajK_: I'm still waiting for packages :(
[15:22] <BajK_> TheNumb: me too^^
[15:22] <TheNumb> But for ArchLinux :P
[15:23] <BajK_> haha^^
[15:23] <progre55> so, anybody knows why when I try sharing a folder using dolphin, it asks for my password, but then does nothing?
[15:23] <progre55> any suggestions would be appreciated
[15:24] <BajK_> progre55: sharing using Samba?
[15:24] <Riddell> BajK_: how so?
[15:25] <BajK_> Riddell: ?
[15:25] <BajK_> progre55: if you want suggestions, I suggest you answer my question :D
[15:25] <Riddell> BajK_: in what way does it look out of place?
[15:25] <BluesKaj> progre55, make sure the folder is shared on the other pc
[15:25] <Riddell> progre55: folder sharing is broken upstream, we're working on it
[15:25] <BajK_> Riddell: the background is the old 4.5 light style, the badge is darkblue
[15:26] <progre55> BajK_: doesnt it use samba when I click the fileProperties > Share > and the button "configure file sharing"?
[15:26] <maco> progre55: read what Riddell said
[15:26] <progre55> Riddell: oh that sux ) any workarounds? )
[15:26] <BajK_> progre55: try installing the following packages: kdenetwork and kdenetwork-filesharing
[15:26] <progre55> maco: yeah thanks)
[15:26] <BajK_> this puts the sharing thing directly into your folder properties
[15:26] <Riddell> progre55: you can use the  "net share" command on a command line
[15:26] <BajK_> a package that SHOULD BE THERE RIGHT AWAY ..
[15:26] <TheNumb> Yeah, somebody is building packages for opensuse... https://build.opensuse.org/package/live_build_log?arch=x86_64&package=kdebase4-workspace&project=home:rwooninck:branches:KDE:Distro:Factory&repository=openSUSE_11.3
[15:27] <progre55> thanks guys
[15:27] <BajK_> Riddell: can anybody explain to me what "upstream" and "downstream" issues/patches/whatever are?
[15:27] <progre55> I'll try that all
[15:27] <progre55> appreciate
[15:27] <volty> is 10.10 a bit broken?
[15:27] <TheNumb> But where, where are the packages for Arch? ;(
[15:27] <maco> BajK_: convince the world to switch to 1024MB as a standard CD instead of 700MB?
[15:27] <TheNumb> maco: you are still using CDs? :O
[15:27] <maco> BajK_: upstream is the authors
[15:28] <BajK_> maco: yeah, they can package Qt with ubuntu because of unity but not put a simple NECCESSARY package for good user experience in it, right
[15:28] <maco> BajK_: the code flows "downstream" to the distros who simply package it up
[15:28] <BajK_> ah thx maco
[15:28] <maco> BajK_: uh, those are two different CDs...
[15:28] <BajK_> the issue is, without this package, you will never know the case WHY it is not working
[15:28] <BajK_> you just end up at the point "Configure file sharing" and then click on it and nothing happens
[15:28] <maco> BajK_: its not working because the code is flat-out broken
[15:28] <BajK_> with those two packages, you at least get a nice interface for that
[15:28] <maco> it has been for...a few years
[15:29] <maco> Riddell: since the switch to kde4, did yall say at uds?
[15:29] <KyranBe> I've just upgraded to kde 4.6 and I'm experiencing serious redraw issues in lists and konsole
[15:29] <BajK_> maco: and what exactly should be broken with file sharing?
[15:29] <maco> BajK_: it shouldnt be, it just is ;-)
[15:29] <BajK_> and what exactly is broken?
[15:30] <BajK_> even my mom managed sharing a folder to the network on her pc
[15:30] <maco> kde hasnt been able to configure it for a few years. if you have a smb.conf that you wrote up yourself it of course works fine
[15:30] <BajK_> maco: i don'T fuzz around in config files
[15:30] <BajK_> I refuse to believe that in the year 2011 we will need to do this
[15:30] <BajK_> either it works with GUI or I'll leave it and since it is working, I have shared files on the network
[15:30] <maco> im not saying its *good* that the code's broken, just that the simple fact is, its broken
[15:30] <Daskreech> surunveri: Viruses and security are not the same thing. Just pointing that out
[15:30] <BajK_> or well, not files but folders
[15:30] <maco> its a bug, duh
[15:30] <maco> its an old bug, but its still a bug
[15:31] <BajK_> maco: Ark's inability of extracting encryted files whose bug report dates back to 2001 is getting fixed now, so that is no excuse *g* but here foldersharing in smb works just fine
[15:31] <BajK_> WITH those two packages installed
[15:31] <Daskreech> progre55: What os are you sharing with?
[15:31] <KyranBe> does anyone have an idea what I can do to stop these redraw issues, they're extremely annoying
[15:32] <BajK_> KyranBe: thy appeared when updating to which version of KDE?
[15:32] <progre55> BajK_: so, installed the packages, but cant seem to find the "sharing thing" there
[15:32] <Riddell> KyranBe: what does  echo $QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM  say?
[15:32] <progre55> Daskreech: windows
[15:32] <maco> BajK_: mozilla still wins on ancient bugs then ;-) it  cant print a div thats split across a page break. that bug report goes back to 1998, iirc
[15:32] <Daskreech> progre55: oh bleah. Configure Samba
[15:32] <BajK_> maco: lol, yeah, thats the reason why I use konqueror for such tasks :D
[15:33] <BajK_> progre55: should be, right click on a folder -> properties -> share and there you can says "Share in local network"
[15:33] <progre55> Daskreech: =) oki. I was just wondering why the built-in "sharing" didnt work..
[15:33] <KyranBe> Ridell: it's empty (or doesn't render properly in konsole)
[15:33] <BajK_> and check that and choose via smb or nfs
[15:33] <Daskreech> Riddell: Good to see you
[15:33] <Riddell> why thank you Roger
[15:33] <KyranBe> BajK_: they appeared in 4.5 but are much much more intense now
[15:33] <BajK_> intense?
[15:33] <Daskreech> progre55: Not properly Built in the built-in :)
[15:34] <KyranBe> I used to be able to scroll in a list and it updated most of the time
[15:34] <KyranBe> now it doesn't
[15:34] <BajK_> KyranBe: if sharing directly in dolphin (you did restart, dolphin, right?) doesnt work, try in systemsettings "share" there should be a new entry "Samba" which enables you to edit your shares, but run systemsettings with kdesudo otherwise the dialog stays greyed out since it doesnt ask for authentication
[15:34] <KyranBe> I need to go over every element in order for it to redraw
[15:34] <progre55> BajK_: using dolphin, it still has the old "configure file sharing", clicking which is useless =)
[15:34] <BajK_> eh this goes to progre55
[15:34] <BajK_> progre55: if sharing directly in dolphin (you did restart, dolphin, right?) doesnt work, try in systemsettings "share" there should be a new entry "Samba" which enables you to edit your shares, but run systemsettings with kdesudo otherwise the dialog stays greyed out since it doesnt ask for authentication
[15:34] <BajK_> I need to go over every element in order for it to redraw
[15:35] <progre55> BajK_: oh yeah, found that )
[15:35] <progre55> the systemSettings thing
[15:35] <BajK_> but weird, maybe it needs a restart to take effect. :)
[15:36] <BajK_> but after installing those packages you should get this share thingie in folder properties with a checkbox (no popup dialog or something) that enables you to "Share this folder on the local network" and then you may choose via NFS or samba and specify read/writable, public, etc
[15:36] <BajK_> and make sure the folder you are sharing has full writing permissions otherwise you won't be able to edit/copy files in there even though its marked as "writable"
[15:37] <surunveri> Daskreech: what's your point?
[15:38] <Daskreech> surunveri: You asked about security and Blueskaj gave you a factoid on Viruses. I'm just saying not being able to get a virus does not make you secure
[15:38] <progre55> BajK_: well, probably I'd have to restart kdm for that tab to appear..
[15:38] <BajK_> progre55: well, try restarting then :)
[15:38] <BajK_> progre55: you know "Reboot is good" :D
[15:38] <progre55> BajK_: I'll do that.. but later on =) thanks man, appreciate
[15:39] <BajK_> you're welcome :
[15:39] <BajK_> :)
[15:39] <surunveri> what do you mean?
[15:39] <KyranBe> if it's any help, this machine is using intel integrated graphics
[15:39] <Daskreech> surunveri: Just that security and viruses are not the same thing. You can be virus free. At no risk of getting a virus and still insecure
[15:40] <KyranBe> oh, does anyone know if lionmail is packaged for kde 4.6. I'd love to give it a try
[15:40] <BajK_> progre55: it's somethng like a keyword to me "file sharing not working" and i instantly say "install packages kdenetwork and the other one" since it annoyed me to hell that it didnt work and when I found out why in a wiki, it burnt into my brain :D
[15:40] <surunveri> how insecure+
[15:41] <surunveri> ?
[15:41] <progre55> BajK_: lol) and you should have a set of shortcut keys to paste those lines into here =)
[15:42] <BajK_> progre55: hehe, well, almost all my keystrokes are already taken (kopete, amarok, kmail, kate, present windows, broser, find file, dolphin, activities list, raise active window, show dashboard, show battery manager, show network manager, ... :D )
[15:42] <BajK_> I can do EVERYTHING with keystrokes *g*
[15:42] <BajK_> except for making a sandwhich, but well that will eventually come
[15:42] <progre55> wow, I only have "terminal" keyed )
[15:43] <surunveri> I mean how can you be insecure using Kubuntu?
[15:44] <Daskreech> surunveri: Lots of ways. A Virus is only one small aspect of security. Granted it's low hanging you have to have a really insecure system (in general) to be prone to catching viruses
[15:44] <surunveri> for an examplE?
[15:44] <surunveri> how is kubuntu as a system insecure?
[15:44] <Daskreech> surunveri: Well if you look at the updates that come in a lot of them are security updates
[15:44] <BajK_> progre55: keystrokes, mouse gestures and lots of krunner plugins, that's all i need hehe
[15:44] <surunveri> yes.. which has kind of raised the question that maybe kubuntu _is_ insecure
[15:45] <Daskreech> surunveri: it's not in general I'm just saying that it can be. Like having a way to logon from the net without providing a password
[15:45] <Daskreech> A virus will never try to do that but it's still insecure
[15:45] <progre55> BajK_: I'm not that much of a GUI person =) mostly work with remote servers..
[15:45] <surunveri> yeah... so is there something in particular ishould be concerned with ?
[15:46] <progre55> surunveri: it's not only kubuntu that's insecuri, and security violations dont only come with viruses..
[15:46] <Daskreech> Security is rarely particular :) It's just being aware of what's going on
[15:46] <BajK_> progre55: okay, I am more the fancy UI person gui. I don't like config files and I refuse to believe in 2011 we need to fuzz around in config files *g* and well I installed bleeding edge x drivers and break half the system just to get blur effect working on the intel graphics and edited initramfs and such to get plymouth start earlier^^ just to get a streamlined, nice look :D
[15:46] <progre55> security threats*
[15:46] <surunveri> myea i was kind of under the mipression that kubuntu is secure
[15:46] <BajK_> (I should send an application to Apple)
[15:46] <Daskreech> Know what servers you have running on the computer
[15:46] <Daskreech> surunveri: In general it is but you can ask it to be insecure
[15:46] <surunveri> i didnt get any problems using windows after some adjustments either but
[15:46] <surunveri> .... so in practice..?
[15:47] <progre55> BajK_: lol )) hey so then you might probably help me out with my graphics :D
[15:47] <Daskreech> http://www.linuxjournal.com/magazine/paranoid-penguin-brutally-practical-linux-desktop-security
[15:47] <BajK_> progre55: okay :D so what is the exact case and symptoms and what is your configuration? and when did they appear?
[15:48] <Daskreech> Those 8 points are good ones
[15:48] <Martesan> in practice nothing is 100% secure, you can break into nasa or fbiserver if you have enough will or money, it's just a mater of how much time/knowledge/money is needed to violate a system
[15:48] <looonger> hello
[15:48] <Martesan> matter*
[15:49] <progre55> BajK_: well I wouldnt say there's a particular problem with it.. it's just, I have an ati mobility 5600 series graphics, and with my core i7, they say it's not switchable.. any workarounds? )
[15:49] <surunveri> so incase i've not actually spent any trouble making kubuntu secure
[15:49] <surunveri> do i need to be concerned
[15:49] <surunveri> ?
[15:49] <Martesan> it should be more secure than windows however
[15:49] <Martesan> lol
[15:49] <BajK_> progre55: you have hybrid graphics?
[15:49] <progre55> surunveri: are you behind a firewall/corporate network?
[15:50] <looonger> is the current stable kubuntu release always provided with the latest kde packages?
[15:50] <surunveri> firewall yes
[15:50] <BajK_> looonger: you need the backports PPA
[15:50] <Anubis1> in every OS you'll find bugs/wholes, etc. plus every OS that runs on this planet is written by humans
[15:50] <maco> looonger: latest-at-time-of-release, yes
[15:50] <BajK_> looonger: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.6
[15:50] <progre55> BajK_: to save more power when on batteries..
[15:50] <BajK_> progre55: i know, I have a notebook with this myself, Intel GMA + ATI Mobility Radeon
[15:50] <BajK_> progre55: HD 5650
[15:50] <progre55> surunveri: well then if you trust your firewall, dont have to panic )
[15:50] <Martesan> if you keep it updated and if you don't do silly things like sharing filesystem with people you don't trust, it's pretty sure
[15:51] <BajK_> progre55: what kind of notebook?
[15:51] <maco> looonger: a new policy just went in a month ago that will allow us to upload the point releases (so if we release with 4.6.2, we can then ago to 4.6.3 and 4.6.4) after release too
[15:51] <progre55> BajK_: hp envy 14
[15:51] <BajK_> progre55: well: Switching on the fly: forget about it
[15:51] <progre55> BajK_: and what's your cpu?
[15:51] <BajK_> progre55: Intel COre i5 460M
[15:51] <BajK_> progre55: switching using a self-made script and a matching kernel module and switching a BIOS setting upon restart, possible
[15:51] <BajK_> but hybrid graphics is just a mess
[15:51] <BajK_> on linux
[15:52] <slipbod> Hey guys
[15:52] <looonger> maco, BajK_ : cool, thanks
[15:52] <slipbod> How do I change the room?
[15:52] <BajK_> and since i don'T play games on my notebook I just disabled the ATI alltogether
[15:52] <BajK_> and get like 6-7 hours of battery life
[15:52] <progre55> BajK_: yeah.. well then I'll just have to wait until they officially release smth useful )
[15:52] <BajK_> slipbod: type /join #channel
[15:52] <slipbod> OK THX
[15:52] <BajK_> slipbod: and replace channel with the respective channel, such as /join #ubuntu
[15:52] <surunveri> from all this though i get the impression that the previosu windows configuraiton i had was more secure than this kubuntu is by default
[15:52] <BajK_> progre55: I think we'll have to wait till wayland
[15:52] <slipbod> Thx to u :D
[15:53] <BajK_> switching on the fly is impossible, switching with restarting X seems possible if you have a matvching kernel module and don't use the proprietary drivers
[15:53] <BajK_> progre55: I have subscribed to the linux-hybrid-graphics mailing list maybe you can get help there
[15:53] <progre55> BajK_: oh so what drivers do YOU use?
[15:53] <BajK_> progre55: let me explain, it's a longer story, mom :D
[15:53] <progre55> lol
[15:54] <Martesan> hey guys, there is a way with apt or something else to see the history of the last updated packets ?
[15:54] <maco> Martesan: you can read the /var/log/apt/term.log to see what all has happened
[15:54] <Martesan> oh ok
[15:55] <maco> Martesan: if there's a specific package whose history youd like to see, look on launchpad. for example:  http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/digikam
[15:55] <BajK_> progre55: I accidentally found a kernel module which turns off the ATI graphics for this specific notebook. I compiled it and then I created two script files. One that switches to the ATI and one that switches to the Intel. The one that switches from the ATI to the Intel first uninstalls the fglrx driver altogether (since proprietary drivers sucks and if fglrx is installed, the other drivers dont work well even when
[15:55] <BajK_> blacklisted), then it flushes the Xorg.conf (since the auto detection works nicely) and then I restart and have to set my bios setting from Discrete (which is the ATI) to Switchable (which enables both of them).  Has anyone had any problems with the kde 4.6.0 updates that came out in the last day? Has hosed my setup, sadly.
[15:57] <slipbod> How do I update to KDE 4.6 in maverik?
[15:57] <BluesKaj> isn't he aware of pastebin ?
[15:58] <KyranBe> slipbod: instructions can be found here http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.6
[15:58] <BluesKaj> niscoise, yeah I had to revert to a previous kernal but I'm on natty, not maverick
[15:58] <niscoise> kryanBe: cheers, will take a look
[15:58] <KyranBe> just add the repo, do apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade and you're good to go
[15:59] <niscoise> Blues: I'm on Meerkat, yes. Now I can't simply put kubuntu-desktop back in, because of, argh, dependencies
[16:01] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: he wasn't aware of IRC's splitting the message.
[16:01] <Daskreech> Thought if he pasted war and peace as one long sentence it won't count as a flood
[16:02] <Daskreech> welcome back BluesKaj
[16:03] <niscoise> Hmm, I had backports switched on already. In fact, if I hadn't have, I wouldn't have seen 4.6.0 I'd have thought?
[16:04] <niscoise> Anyway, despite having done it several times today, a apt-get update seems to have reset the dependency tree or something, since it is now agreeing to pull down kubuntu-desktop
[16:05] <niscoise> ulp...installed, but kdm's giving an error about a missing theme, and killed X
[16:05] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, thx :)
[16:15] <Martesan> uhm i've troubles with the graphics too... kubuntu updated a bunch of basic files a couple of days ago (base-files, dbus, apparmor, the kernel and some other) and now the screen has some glitches
[16:16] <Martesan> i already booted in the previous kernel (2.6.32-27-generic, instead of ...-28-generic) but it seems the glitches are still here
[16:17] <Martesan> i'm on lucid...
[16:17] <KyranBe> what sort of glitches?
[16:17] <Martesan> here is an example of what hapens:
[16:18] <Martesan> http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/9632/checazzosuccede.jpg
[16:18] <Martesan> at the bottom
[16:18] <Martesan> if i switch desktop and come bak the desktop is ok, but the bar remains messy
[16:19] <Martesan> and it happened under heavy load (lot of apps running) that the screen or a part of it flipped to black for some milliseconds
[16:19] <KyranBe> what graphics card and driver are you using?
[16:20] <Martesan> nvidia with the restricted drivers, but those hadn't been updated
[16:22] <Martesan> here is what has been upgraded :
[16:22] <Martesan> http://pastebin.com/PmxvuHmh
[16:22] <Martesan> after that, i begun to note the glitches
[16:22] <KyranBe> you updated the kernel
[16:22] <KyranBe> the gfx drivers tie in very closely with the kernel
[16:23] <Martesan> yes but i'm now on the old kernel and it's doing it
[16:23] <Martesan> i thought the same
[16:23] <Martesan> so i booted in the old one and it does this mess again
[16:23] <KyranBe> do you have any issues in windows under heavy load?
[16:24] <Martesan> it seems like a kde thing, it does it on the desktop and bar, but not on the apps ..
[16:24] <Martesan> nope
[16:24] <KyranBe> because the screen turning black under heavy load might indicate overheating on the gfx card
[16:24] <Martesan> nope i looked, the gf temp was 44°C
[16:24] <Martesan> (normal)
[16:25] <KyranBe> ok
[16:25] <Martesan> 111F
[16:25] <KyranBe> centigrade is fine for me :)
[16:25] <Anubis1> drivers perhaps ?
[16:25] <KyranBe> IIRC (I'm no specialist) those kind of glitches mean corrupted data in the graphics buffer
[16:25] <arunce> Martesan: did you check .xsession-errors?
[16:25] <Martesan> ok, and now it's 41 and still doing it on the bar (the "mess" shape is still, it doesn't change)
[16:26] <Martesan> uhm
[16:27] <KyranBe> you should check the temperature just after the screen went black, the glitches in the picture are most likely not related to temperature
[16:27] <KyranBe> I'd try the open source driver
[16:27] <KyranBe> see what happens there
[16:27] <arunce> maybe black screen does not have the same cause
[16:28] <arunce> Martesan: did you disabled effects?
[16:28] <Martesan> uhm ok.. but i don't think it's the gf , actually it worked and works fine at higher temps
[16:28] <Martesan> hovever i'll try the nv
[16:29] <Martesan> drivers
[16:29] <Martesan> uhm never had the effect active
[16:29] <Martesan> the composition is disabled
[16:31] <Martesan> i can try the nv ... i asked cos may be it was a known problem
[16:32] <KyranBe> if you don't use the compositing effects I think your best bet is to use the nv driver
[16:33] <Martesan> ok... i'll use them till the next "basic things" update...
[16:33] <KyranBe> :)
[16:33] <Martesan> the .xsession-error is actually full of the most various things
[16:34] <Martesan> lol it's a 850kb file
[16:36] <Martesan> well, ty very much for the help KyranBe and arunce , i'll try the nv , hope it is not doing it with them too ... see you :)
[16:40] <arunce> anyone testing the new activities of kde 4.6?
[16:48] <KyranBe> does anyone know if the lionmail program is packaged for kubuntu 10.10?
[16:48] <KyranBe> I'd love to give it a try
[16:50] <rork> KyranBe: it's not in the official repositories
[16:51] <KyranBe> any ppa I can try?
[17:21] <ryrych> hello
[17:22] <ryrych> how can I install debug packages for /usr/lib/dri/r300_dri.so? Dr konqi can't find them
[17:33] <Pewt> hi, I added the repo for KDE 4.6, but there are now dependencies problems. libakonadiprotocolinternals1 breaks libakonadiprivate1. the first is a a dep for the new akonadi, and the second is a dep for kdepim 4.5.x. What can I do? Has anyone this problem too?
[17:49] <mr-rich> Everytime I use my mouse wheel on the desktop, it goes ripping through my vertual desktops ... where do I turn this off?
[17:53] <Pewt> mr-rich: it shoud be in System Settings -> Window Behaivor, but I don't find the option... hmm, bad thing
[17:53] <mr-rich> Pewt: I was looking in keyboard shortcuts ... not there either ...
[17:55] <Pewt> mr-rich: the System Settings config arrangment is very bad, it takes longer to search the option that to turn it off/on.
[17:56] <Pewt> mr-rich: Ah, it is: right click in the Desktop, in Desktop settings -> mouse...
[17:57] <Pewt> mr-rich: that should also be in System Settings, but...
[18:20] <Pewt_> I added the repo for KDE 4.6, but there are now dependencies problems. libakonadiprotocolinternals1 breaks libakonadiprivate1. the first is a a dependency for the new akonadi version, and the second dependency for kdepim 4.5.x. What can I do? Has anyone this problem too? Can I upgrade to KDEpim 4.6 beta/rc to fix this?
[18:20] <evdvelde> hi all, trying to install kde sc 4.6, is it normal that there are broken packages? thx in advance!
[18:25] <Pewt_> evdvelde I have also such problem :(
[18:25] <evdvelde> Pewt_:  normally i do not mind, but kde is quite big if you have to fix stuff afterwards, isnt it? :)
[18:26] <Pewt_> yes, I have a problem between akonadi and kdepim, so I better wait, it can cause some truble.
[18:29] <Guest36526> hiiiiii
[18:30] <mfraz74> hi Guest36526
[18:30] <Guest36526> my name ramy
[18:30] <DarthFrog> Nuisance.  My plasma panel won't auto-hide, remains always visible.  Flaming thing gets in the way and covers up buttons and info.
[18:33] <yoyo> Guest36526 it is rude to pm without invite
[18:41] <afink> Hello everyone,  I am having trouble mounting my flash drive in 10.10 x64.  Everytime I try it just says mount failed.
[18:42] <afink> actually it says "Could not mount the following device..."
[18:42] <afink> anyone know of a fix?
[18:55] <coder2> Hello
[18:55] <coder2> Could anyone help with cleartype fonts in wine? winetricks has already set fontsmoothing=2 in the registry, but it does not work
[19:02] <coder2> Ok. I've got it. winetricks has downloded wrong tahoma.ttf from somewhere. Replacing it by ms one solved the problem.
[19:03] <gribouille> I've just installed kde 4.6. some plasmoids seem to have disappeared
[19:21] <JuJuBee> Am I safe upgrading to 10.10 from 10.04 without doing clean install?
[19:22] <tsimpson> sure
[19:23] <JuJuBee> I have heard mixed opinions on upgrading vs. clean install...
[19:24] <SJr> I generally clean install things
[19:24] <SJr> You can dump out a list of packages you've installed through some magic (I don't remember dpkg something will tell you), then you just reinstall.
[19:25] <SJr> Especially if you have a seperate root or home partition it's quick.
[19:25] <tsimpson> you should always keep a backup of important stuff anyway, so try upgrading and if it fails (which it probably won't) do a clean install
[19:25] <tsimpson> also report the bug
[19:30] <sopho> hi. i run 10.10 (32 bit), have a nvidia 9200M GS graphics chipset. somehow always the 260.x driver is installed which turns out to be pretty unstable with 1080p playback via vdpau.
[19:31] <sopho> what should I do? go back to 185?
[19:36] <p_masho> How do i change the screen resolution, I want 1280X1024, but cannot find /etc/x11/xorg.conf. There's a xconf.failsafe so am confused where to look..
[19:36] <maco> xrandr -s 1280x1024
[19:36] <maco> there's dynamic config now instead of a static xorg.conf
[19:37] <OutoLumo> p_masho, k-menu->System Settings -> Display and monitor...
[19:37] <maco> (though if you want to, you could make an xorg.conf, though youd go back to the old plug-in-projector-and-nothing-happens annoyances)
[19:38] <OutoLumo> Hmm... I suspect there's a dependency issue in the 4.6 update. Where should I report?
[19:39] <p_masho> umm "Display and monitor settings" doesnt show anything greater than 1024X768? maybe this laptop screen cant take it?
[19:39] <maco> that is a possibility
[19:39] <maco> it should list everything the screen reports that it can do
[19:39] <maco> (its also possible for a screen to report incorrectly, in which case you can add modes)
[19:39] <maco> !resolution
[19:39] <maco> ^ has a bit about adding new modes
[19:40] <p_masho> ok.. it looks liek this slightly older machine cant take it. .thanks maco OutoLumo ubottu for the help ;-)
[20:04] <FloridaGuy> cleaned dust from my heat sink and cooling fan and case fan....had to take the side off the pc again to see if they were runing...thats how much quiter it is...lol
[20:19] <jschall> When my system comes out of sleep, the graphics are really slow. If I try to run a fairly modern game, it runs at about a fifth of the framerate it normally does. I have an 8800GTS with the 260.19.06 drivers. Any ideas?
[20:32] <evdvelde> Hi all, is it normal that there are 13 conflicting packets when upgrading to kde 4.6?
[20:34] <BluesKaj> evdvelde, did you install some 3rd party software repos or ppas ...it's usually best to comment them or remove them before upgrading
[20:35] <evdvelde> BluesKaj: the conflicts are all between old and new packages of maverick repo's and kubuntu-backports
[20:36] <evdvelde> BluesKaj: dont you have the same?
[20:38] <BluesKaj> no I don't evdvelde
[20:39] <BluesKaj> well I didn't , but that was on maverick with kde4.5...running kde 4.6 on natty
[21:24] <blackjack1983> Hello guys , can anybody help me ..? ich search an command for kubuntu shell , to send a message (like chat) to my friend whos connected  whith me in a lan ....
[21:26] <james147> ^^ if they are on a unix based computer and arent blocking write messages ... then 'write' or 'wall'  can do that
[21:27] <blackjack1983> okay thanks ich will test it
[21:28] <blackjack1983> MYUSERNAME:~$ write <IP_ADDRESS> hallo
[21:28] <blackjack1983> write: write: you have write permission turned off.
[21:28] <blackjack1983> write: <IP_ADDRESS> is not logged in on hallo
[21:29] <blackjack1983> must they logged in into my system ??
[21:32] <james147> blackjack1983: read the man pages :)  (i havent really used it beofre so am not entirly sure, although i thionk it would be "user@host" rather then just "host"
[21:33] <blackjack1983> ok thanks
[21:34] <blackjack1983> sind hier deutsche die mir evtl. weiterhelfen können ??
[21:34] <BluesKaj> !de | blackjack1983
[21:37] <BajK__> BluesKaj: is there a list of messages those bots can give? :D
[21:38] <BluesKaj> BajK__, yes, usually about apps and hardware drivers etc
[21:39] <BluesKaj> like this BajK__
[21:39] <BluesKaj> !ffmpeg
[21:39] <BluesKaj> oops :)
[21:39] <BajK__> :D
[21:39] <BluesKaj> !nvidia
[21:40] <james147> !ubottu
[21:40] <james147> ^^ though that list is far from a complete list
[21:41]  * james147 notices it looks longer then when he last looked at it
[21:41] <BluesKaj> good one james147 ..	 I forgot about the obvious , again :)
[21:41] <james147> BluesKaj: :D
[21:56] <firefly_> Hello! How i can reinstall package?? i install kde 4.6 SC and package python-kde4 dont work.
[21:56] <tuv0k> BluesKaj: upgrade went flawless
[21:57] <james147> firefly_: "sudo apt-get install --reinstall <package>" if i recall correctly
[21:57]  * james147 is beginning to forget apt-get commands :S
[21:57] <james147> firefly_: ^^ if not man apt-get should know :)
[21:57] <iconmefisto> what's the story with kopete these days? does it do video on ANY protocols?
[21:58] <circlez_> I'm running kubuntu on my laptop.  Can I change the default behavior for the event that I plug in an external monitor?
[21:59] <james147> iconmefisto: as far as I know it does, though msn wasnt working last time i tried... it also sufferes from a lack of deeverlopers.... on the bright side, there is work being done on a new messaging frame work to effectivly replace keopete (hopefully it will make it into kde 4.7... but i do not know if it will)
[22:00] <james147> actually htinking aabout it it might be later then 4.7 :(
[22:01] <iconmefisto> what's the replacement called?
[22:01] <firefly_> ok
[22:01] <james147> iconmefisto: cant remember atm :p
[22:01] <iconmefisto> james147: kmess?
[22:01] <firefly_> its works, but i have kde 4.6 and python-kde4:4.5.5
[22:02] <james147> iconmefisto: no
[22:02] <firefly_> why new package not in repo yet&
[22:02] <firefly_> ?
[22:02] <james147> iconmefisto: telepathy... that was it
[22:02] <firefly_> where i can download it?
[22:27] <firefly_> people, who know: kde sc 4.6 are completely compiled to backports??? because i cant update python-kde4 and have some bugs...
[22:32] <yofel> firefly_: that'll be fixed in about an hour
[22:32] <firefly_> ok, thanks
[22:33] <firefly_> ill be waiting...
[22:40] <basy> how to get exact execution time of some [echo "ddd" > pipe.file] that i ran couple minutes ago from konsole, is there any history with timestamps ?
[22:41] <e01> what are differences between opengl and xrandr, because i think on my system (nvidia 9600gt, kde4.6) with xrandr windows are resized more smoothly
[22:42] <basy> :( .bash_history holds only last commands, how to get to execution timestamps ?
[22:43] <james147> basy: check the modification/creation time of the file (ls  -l)
[22:43] <james147> other then taht there is no history of execution time of a command
[22:44]  * james147 has never seen a need to know that ^^ nor ever thourght of it before :S
[22:45] <basy> james147: ok, thanks, but is there any way to configure bash to save timestamps or is there i have to use other shell ?
[22:45] <james147> dont know... why do you need to know?
[22:49] <basy> i am developing something with pipes, so sometimes i use echo to write to pipe, but i except result int longer time period. So sometimes i need to know what time i run something ... :P
[22:54] <james147> basy: if its only for a few commands you can manually append "#12:00" (or what you want) to the end of the line... it wont be executed (since its read as a comment) but will be stored in the history
[22:55] <james147> basy: or http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/unix-linux-bash-history-display-date-time/
[22:55] <james147> :)
[22:55] <basy> :) thanks
[23:09] <darthanubis> http://web.archiveorange.com/archive/v/2fOVyy3ApPxcKDzl10ga
[23:10] <darthanubis> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=258635
[23:27] <Tomwa> I am having a problem with the theme manager, it has two themes in it that I cannot remove because the "Remove theme" button is greyed out
[23:30] <james147> Tomwa: Themes for what?
[23:30] <Tomwa> @james147 Themes for the KDE theme manager
[23:30] <james147> >.>  ...
[23:31] <james147> kdm themes? plasma themes? colour themes? icon Themes? mouse themes?... there are lots of different "kde" themes
[23:31] <Tomwa> It's the KDM theme Kore
[23:32] <Tomwa> And sorry lol I'm not really used to using linux
[23:33] <james147> well, the kdm themes are stored in a folder owned by root somewhere... you can try running the loging maanger as root with "kdesudo kcmshell4 kdm"
[23:33] <james147> though its advised not to remove all your themes ^^ that could renender you unable to start kdm
[23:33] <darthanubis> front panel won't unmute
[23:37] <Tomwa> Ha found it :D
[23:37] <Tomwa> Removed them james
[23:37] <Tomwa> I dont understand why the theme didn't work originally