[00:18] <SpeendaSh> Hello everyone ! i've messed up my Xubuntu installation and i'm totlallt lost lol
[00:19] <SpeendaSh> totally*
[00:19] <SpeendaSh> therefore... i'm looking for help x:
[00:23] <SpeendaSh> nobody arround huh ? x:
[00:30] <mrkramps> SpeendaSh, what exactly did you mess up?
[00:31] <v1adimir> .. hear.
[00:37] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps: oh thanks ! an answer ! i tried to reinstall Xubuntu on a new inetrnal hard drive that i've add on my computer and transfer my data of the old one on to the new one... and  then i tried to remove the old one from the motherboard and boot only on the new one, but it won't boot anymore o:
[00:37] <SpeendaSh> and even live CD have problems ! when i use it it freeze at the loading screen...
[00:38] <mrkramps> you've installed the bootloader on the new harddrive?
[00:38] <v1adimir> SpeendaSh: when you disconnect the old drive and boot from the new one - what's the message, is GRUB starting?
[00:39] <v1adimir> right, bootloader =)
[00:39] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  a bootload ? you eman grub stuff ? o:
[00:39] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  let me try right now and see !
[00:39] <v1adimir> yes, grub = bootloader
[00:39] <mrkramps> yes
[00:40] <SpeendaSh> ok got it
[00:40] <SpeendaSh> i'll try right now
[00:40] <SpeendaSh> i do have grub that launch at every stars up
[00:41] <mrkramps> ok, if grub shows up the pc boots from this hdd
[00:41] <v1adimir> SpeendaSh: MAYBE the 'quickest' way would be (with the old drive disconnected, let's say), just use this on the new drive: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[00:41] <v1adimir> *maybe :)
[00:42] <mrkramps> but where exactly is the operating system stuck at start up?
[00:42] <v1adimir> ^^ disconnected, so you don't have to chase anything - it'll do it "auto"
[00:43] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  v1adimir (with only the new Hrd drvie connected to the mothertboard)  i have grub that is showing the following right now : ubuntu, advanced option, memory test twice and ubuntu 14.04 (on /dev/sdb1)
[00:44] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  well if i launch "ubuntu" it won't load actually, i'll just end up having a black screen...
[00:44] <v1adimir> um 15.04 is out, btw.
[00:44] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  maybe i should give this a try...
[00:44] <mrkramps> sounds good to me … the os and memory test appears twice because grub searches on all drives for entries
[00:45] <v1adimir> oic 14.04 is LTS
[00:46] <mrkramps> but probably you new drive is now recognized as sda after removing the old one … did you try the second ubuntu entry?
[00:46] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps: yes... and both of them doesn't boot ...unfortunatly...
[00:47] <SpeendaSh> (it's the frist time in my life that i try to unplug a internal hard drive and remove it lol...  maybe my computer didn't like that >.>)
[00:47] <mrkramps> ok, v1adimir already suggested to start a live system to run grub repair
[00:47] <SpeendaSh> what about that boot repair soft that v1adimir  talked about ? could it solve my problem you think ?
[00:47] <mrkramps> might be enough to just run a grub-update on the proper drive
[00:48] <v1adimir> ^ oh, yea
[00:48] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  Oh this i think i know what you mean ! igoing in recovery mode and do a grub update ?
[00:49] <SpeendaSh> (it's in french for me so i'm just guessing that's how it's called in english lol)
[00:49] <SpeendaSh> i did tried it earlier but it didn't change much... i'll try again !
[00:50] <mrkramps> recovery mode may work but it is easier to boot a live system
[00:51] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps: yes, that's what i was trying to do but oddly all my live cd would freeze i tried Xubuntu 13 xubuntu 14.04 and even Lubuntu (don't know the version of that one though...)
[00:51] <v1adimir> why not 15.04 ..
[00:51] <mrkramps> SpeendaSh, edit boot options for the live system, remove the "quiet splash" entry and check why they freeze
[00:53] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir: i would but first i want to make sure i'm able to load at least my current system with all my data in it x:
[00:53] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps: eum excuse me just to make sure i've understand well, you mean i set the dvd drive to boot first, with a live cd in it and then what to do exactly ?
[00:54] <mrkramps> SpeendaSh, reinstall grub
[00:55] <v1adimir> SpeendaSh: well, on the new HD I mean..:) data will be fine, it's just the software - whether the programs have (already) been updated
[00:55] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  eum... but how ?
[00:55] <mrkramps> SpeendaSh, by running a command from the terminal?
[00:55] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  so i type "c" to have the terminal in grub right ?
[00:56] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  (i'm sorry i'm really really...  a noob lol )
[00:56] <mrkramps> SpeendaSh, the recovery console won't help much here
[00:56] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps: i see.. so where can i find a terminal you're tlaking about ?
[00:56] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps: since i can"'t boot anywhere...
[00:57] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  i don't mind but... i have also important data in the new drive already... that's why i need to keep it.. but i guess i could make a new install but all the live CD fails me so far X.X
[00:58] <v1adimir> ohh, data on the new drive as well xD
[00:58] <v1adimir> sheesh :-$
[00:58] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  yes lol
[00:59] <SpeendaSh> flop it... i should have asked for help from the start... before even thinking of changing the hard drive alone -.-
[00:59] <mrkramps> well, if you like you may first try check why exactly you cannot start the system from grub
[00:59] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps: sure, how could i do that please ? (:
[00:59] <v1adimir> so, mrkramps -- it's not cool if he would run for EXAMPLE Boot-Repair from LiveUSB? :-0
[01:00] <v1adimir> i mean, as a quick try 4 an auto-solution, right?
[01:00] <mrkramps> select the "ubuntu" entry, type "e", use cursor keys to navigate and remove the "quiet splash" from the text
[01:00] <mrkramps> v1adimir, actually we still do not know what exactly is wrong
[01:01] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps: Ok i'm looking for that line right now
[01:02] <SpeendaSh> ah got it !
[01:02] <SpeendaSh> so i only erase "quiet splash
[01:02] <SpeendaSh> "
[01:02] <mrkramps> yes
[01:02] <SpeendaSh> ok done ! (:
[01:03] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps: what should i do now ? (:
[01:03] <mrkramps> which key(s) to press to finally start with this setting should be mentioned below this window
[01:03] <mrkramps> or text entry field or whatever you would like to call it
[01:03] <SpeendaSh> yes i'm trying now (:
[01:03] <mrkramps> most prolly ctrl+x to boot
[01:04] <SpeendaSh> some comand line are scrolling down now...
[01:04] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps: yes it was ctrl x or F10 for me i choosed f10 lol
[01:04] <SpeendaSh> hmm... it has stopped scrolling down and still waiting...
[01:05] <SpeendaSh> well nothing is happening anymore...
[01:06] <mrkramps> but you got quite some messages
[01:06] <SpeendaSh> yes indeed
[01:07] <mrkramps> something looking like an error?
[01:07] <SpeendaSh> hmm... not really
[01:07] <SpeendaSh> i have many "done" at the end of the lines
[01:08] <mrkramps> what's the last message?
[01:09] <SpeendaSh> begin: mounting root files system... begin : runnig: /scripts/local-top... done
[01:09] <SpeendaSh> that one
[01:10] <SpeendaSh> maybe i should give that "boot repair" stuff a try ? x:
[01:12] <mrkramps> SpeendaSh, won't hurt
[01:12] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps: is there no problem if i burn the content of the folder of the boot repai thing with windows 7 ?
[01:13] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  cause they were saying not to do it with win8
[01:13] <SpeendaSh> eum i mean burn the iso*
[01:14] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir: mrkramps:  i'm going to give it a try, thanks a lot both of you for your help ! (: i'll probably be back though (:
[01:14] <mrkramps> should be no issue
[01:14] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  great !
[01:14] <mrkramps> if the windows burn tool does not work try something like infrarecorder
[01:15] <v1adimir> SpeendaSh: np, hear all nite
[01:15] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir: good to know lol i feel les alone x:
[01:15] <SpeendaSh> less*
[01:15] <v1adimir> :)
[01:15] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps: got it
[01:16] <v1adimir> SpeendaSh: um
[01:16] <v1adimir> what's with the burning, no USB drive? o.0
[01:17] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir: oooooh !!! right my mom's usb Key !... ah to late i just launched the bunring -.-
[01:17] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  oh well... it'll probably be an useful tool to have in handy anyway (:
[01:17] <v1adimir> it would be (a lot) quicker..:)
[01:17] <mrkramps> boot repair disk is small an fast and should run just fine from a cd
[01:17] <v1adimir> oic, duh (sorz :))
[01:18] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps: ... now i feel even more dumb... i just burned it on a DVD X.X !!!
[01:18] <SpeendaSh> well i don't have CD though >.>
[01:18] <v1adimir> hehe
[01:18] <mrkramps> ok, it would have fit on a CD, but dvd is fine as well
[01:18] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  while it's burning a little question about booting through USB drive
[01:19] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  when using usb drive what system should the usb drive be formated in to  ? and also  do i need to put only the iso file at the root of the usb drive or like... extract all the content of it at the root ?
[01:20] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  yeah.. it's just a loss of meomory is all lol
[01:20] <mrkramps> you will need to "burn" the iso to the usb drive and file system does not matter
[01:21] <mrkramps> the iso image contains a whole file system including parition table and stuff
[01:21] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps: ooh i see... and it need a specil soft for that i guess ?
[01:21] <mrkramps> exactly
[01:21] <mrkramps> and this is not universial for all iso images.
[01:22] <mrkramps> only works with so called hybrid images which can be used for optical media as well as usb drives
[01:22] <mrkramps> or rather drives, because it is not exclusively working on usb ones
[01:22] <SpeendaSh> hmm... sounds a little complicated lol, but anyway ! the burning is done ! now try to boot on the fresh made DVD ! (:
[01:23] <SpeendaSh> i hope it'll work >.<
[01:23] <v1adimir> gl!..:)
[01:23] <v1adimir> *fingers crossed*
[01:23] <mrkramps> in technical terms it is, but you may just use a tool like rufus or win32 disk imager
[01:24] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  thanks ! lol  - mrkramps  Are they free soft ? x:
[01:24] <mrkramps> those tools are as easy to use as burning software and yes, they are free
[01:25] <mrkramps> http://rufus.akeo.ie/
[01:25] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  great ! (: that makes me lucky lol
[01:25] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  thanks ! (:
[01:25] <mrkramps> http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/
[01:25] <v1adimir> unetbootin on windows isn't bad, btw.
[01:25] <SpeendaSh> ahh boot repair as booted ! o:
[01:25] <v1adimir> SpeendaSh: oh, you're using 2 computers? o.0
[01:26] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  yes, right now i'm talking to you guys with my win 7 laptop
[01:26] <v1adimir> cool, cool..
[01:26] <SpeendaSh> oh oh...
[01:26] <SpeendaSh> what is it doing now...
[01:26] <mrkramps> one i forgot: http://www.linuxliveusb.com
[01:27] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  ah that last one remind me something... lmaybe i tried it once... not sure
[01:28] <SpeendaSh> it's weird the menu of boot repair doesn't look like the one from the pics ...
[01:28] <v1adimir> different ver.
[01:28] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  oh ok...
[01:28] <v1adimir> just... be careful :-D
[01:29] <v1adimir> don't go into any partition data, or whatever xD
[01:29] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  brrr... some lines are scrolling down like crazy right now lol
[01:29] <v1adimir> hm
[01:29] <SpeendaSh> ah it has stopped...
[01:30] <SpeendaSh> i don't understand anything of what is happening flop iiit X.X
[01:31] <v1adimir> SpeendaSh: what did it look like, button with "Recommended repair"?
[01:31] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  nope there was only eum... oh flop i don't remeber the two options again...
[01:31] <v1adimir> or did you make it so it just runs
[01:31] <SpeendaSh> let me rebot since it didn't do anything anyway...
[01:31] <v1adimir> okie
[01:32] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir: I've set my dvd drive to 1st boot so that it boot on the boot repair disk
[01:32] <SpeendaSh> then it ask me the language
[01:33] <SpeendaSh> then i have two choices : 32 bit session or 32 bit session (failsafe)
[01:34] <mrkramps> is there a reason why you picked the 32bit version?
[01:34] <v1adimir> um yea, havent u got a 64-bit system...
[01:34] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps: eum well i thought my syster was a 32bit system since it has like 512mo ram i think
[01:34] <SpeendaSh> system*
[01:35] <SpeendaSh> it's an old computer really...
[01:35] <SpeendaSh> i just use it as a backup for data x:
[01:35] <SpeendaSh> and a SAMBA share too !
[01:35] <mrkramps> you should know which version of ubuntu you installed
[01:35] <SpeendaSh> yes it's the 32bit version definetly that i've installed (:
[01:36] <SpeendaSh> i'm sure of it
[01:36] <v1adimir> SpeendaSh: what URL did you download the boot-repair from... i want to try and run it here.
[01:36] <mrkramps> ok, then your right with 32bit boot repair disk :)
[01:36] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  from here : http://sourceforge.net/p/boot-repair-cd/home/fr/
[01:36] <v1adimir> kk
[01:36] <SpeendaSh> i'm going to try to reboot on ubuntu maybe all that comand lines did something... lol
[01:37] <mrkramps> SpeendaSh, you will have to wait until the boot repair disk is booted
[01:37] <mrkramps> the messages are just belonging to the boot process
[01:38] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps: it hasn't earlier ? o: since i was in the menu ?
[01:38] <v1adimir> ^ right and then after run the program
[01:38] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  ooooh seruiously ??
[01:38] <v1adimir> (i think!..:))
[01:38] <mrkramps> that's what linux boot looks like if you do not use splash or quiet
[01:38] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  i see...
[01:38]  * v1adimir downloads it 2 run the new version & see
[01:39] <mrkramps> actually this live system should boot into a lxde desktop like lubuntu does
[01:39] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  thanks man hehe
[01:39] <v1adimir> just to know, exactly, WTH is going on :-$
[01:39] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps: hm...that's weird... maybe i burn it wrongly ? or maybe i really did messed up something with my computer that prevent any lice cd to boot...
[01:40] <v1adimir> *bt sourceforge.net/ is capped at 1MB/Sec, so it's kinda slow :f
[01:40] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  really ? it was pretty fast to me
[01:40] <v1adimir> SpeendaSh: whatever it is, we'll fix it; np.
[01:40] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  lol you're confident about it... more than me that's for sure lol (X i hope you're right though !
[01:41] <v1adimir> yea, yea, if you got the time - it's no problem
[01:41]  * SpeendaSh needs some major Linus lessons -.-
[01:41] <mrkramps> SpeendaSh, is this old machine a normal desktop pc?
[01:41] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  oh i do have it indeed lol it really frustrate me to see my dear Old buddy like that x:
[01:41] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  yes
[01:41] <mrkramps> in terms of common hardware?
[01:42] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  back in the old days it used to have win XP but that's from a long time ago now (:
[01:42] <v1adimir> right, what computer is it? o.0 like, is the CPU 32-bit native, or 64-bit
[01:42] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  i've replace it by xubuntu the moment i heard that windows won't support it anymore
[01:42] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  th-taht is a good question... i really don't know x:
[01:43] <v1adimir> ^^ bc, if your CPU is 64-bit and you're running 32-bit OS - it means that it's "translating" everything (slowing it down)
[01:43] <mrkramps> just a guess, but i would bet on a pentium 4
[01:43] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  ah right the computer has a "pnetium 4" symbol on it (:
[01:44] <v1adimir> mrkramps: other than running something like sysinfo, is there a CMD to get CPU info? o.0
[01:44] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  how can i be sure if i have a 64 bit cpu or not ? o:
[01:44] <mrkramps> iirc from 3rd generation p4 they should be capable of 64bit
[01:44] <v1adimir> oh, 'less /proc/cpuinfo'
[01:45] <v1adimir> ^^ that CMD will tell us what it is
[01:45] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  ah o: can i use it on the grub console stuff ?
[01:45] <mrkramps> boot repair disk still not booted?!
[01:45] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  ah sorry i stopped it since the command lines stopped and nothing was happeneing x:
[01:46] <v1adimir> or http://www.binarytides.com/linux-check-processor/
[01:46] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps: let me try again ! (:
[01:46] <mrkramps> how long you've been waiting for something to happen?
[01:46] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps: about...5 or 7 minutes ? x:
[01:47] <mrkramps> hmpf
[01:47] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps: not enough ?
[01:47] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  x:
[01:47] <SpeendaSh> i(m lauching it again right now
[01:48] <SpeendaSh> asking me the language... ok
[01:48] <mrkramps> that's absolutely enough … even for a 12 years old machine
[01:48] <SpeendaSh> now what to choose...
[01:48] <mrkramps> you may try failsafe
[01:48] <SpeendaSh> 32 bit session ? or 32 bit session (failsafe) ?
[01:48] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  ok (:
[01:48] <v1adimir> brb, gonna boot the USB (not on the virtual)
[01:48] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  ok !
[01:49] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps: comand lines scrolling...
[01:49] <SpeendaSh> oh oh...
[01:49] <SpeendaSh> i think there is a bug !
[01:49] <SpeendaSh> the last line says : "BUG : unable to handle kernel NULL pointer Dereference
[01:50] <SpeendaSh> (and the DVD stopped spining ...)
[01:51] <SpeendaSh> and nothing is happening anymore...
[01:54] <mrkramps> *sigh*
[01:54] <SpeendaSh> ok i'll just reboot it now ):
[01:55] <SpeendaSh> no matter what dvd i use ... none is booting up correctly o:
[01:57]  * SpeendaSh is trying to boot again in the xubuntu live cd
[01:59] <mrkramps> SpeendaSh, when using the xubuntu live you may press any key before entering the screen with the language selector
[01:59] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  ok i'll try
[02:00] <SpeendaSh> ok i'm in the langauge selector screen
[02:00] <mrkramps> this should bring up another menu, press "F6" and "ESC", then again remove the quiet splash
[02:00] <mrkramps> press "Enter" to boot, and you may see what is going wrong when booting this live system
[02:01] <mrkramps> argh, my fault … no "F6" or "ESC"! just "F7"
[02:01] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps: oh ok because f6 was showing a little menu
[02:01] <SpeendaSh> so f7
[02:02] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps: hmm... nothing seem to happen when i presse F7..
[02:03] <mrkramps> damn this howto!!!
[02:03] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  x:
[02:03] <mrkramps> F6 then ESC and edit the text line
[02:04] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  ah right got it ! (:
[02:04] <SpeendaSh> ok i've earased  splash quiet
[02:04] <SpeendaSh> or quiet ssplash
[02:04] <SpeendaSh> should i just press enter now ? mrkramps
[02:05] <mrkramps> yes
[02:05] <SpeendaSh> comand lines scrolling... mrkramps
[02:06] <mrkramps> i hope so =)
[02:06] <SpeendaSh> right now it has stopped... and the last line says "Code :_"
[02:07] <SpeendaSh> the disc seems to have stopped spining too...
[02:08] <SpeendaSh> i wish i could just show you the screen instead lol
[02:08] <SpeendaSh> i could though ! using my smartphone skype
[02:09] <mrkramps> you may still try different bootoptions at startup … e.g. replace "quiet splash" with "nomodeset"
[02:09] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps: ooh ! when i press that F6 byutton on the little menu that show up i have that option !
[02:10] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  shouldn't i just select it ?
[02:10] <mrkramps> you may of course just select it from the menu
[02:10] <SpeendaSh> got it i'll try
[02:10] <mrkramps> "noacpi" maybe another candidate for testing
[02:11] <SpeendaSh> "noapic" you mean ?
[02:11] <mrkramps> nope, "noacpi"
[02:11] <SpeendaSh> (trying nomodeset right now)
[02:12] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps: weird.. i didn't had that one in the list though..
[02:12] <mrkramps> if it's not in the menu you may add it manually just like you removed the quiet splash before
[02:12] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  ah ! Xubuntu seems to be loading... but it's an old fahioned screen right now...
[02:12] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  ok, right now i'm waitinf for that one result... it seems to load...
[02:14] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  flop it... it has seems to freeze too...
[02:14] <mrkramps> give it a moment
[02:14] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  hm ok...
[02:15] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  but since i don't hear the dvd spinning anymore... i doubt it'll go any further...
[02:15] <mrkramps> next try … noacpi
[02:16] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  got it lol
[02:16] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps: rebooting...
[02:17] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  ok so since it's not in the menu, i erase "quiet splash --" and replace it by" noacpi" am i correct ?
[02:19] <mrkramps> the two dashes have to remain
[02:19] <mrkramps> should be "noacpi --"
[02:20] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps: ok... eum now i've realised something... in taht menue the thing is called "acpi=off" is it not the same as "noacpi" ? x:
[02:20] <mrkramps> it not the same
[02:20] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps: ok
[02:21] <SpeendaSh> ok trying now !
[02:21] <SpeendaSh> comand lines....
[02:21] <mrkramps> acpi=off is critical because it will disbale all acpi controls even for the fan
[02:22] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  sounds dangerous !! X.X
[02:22] <mrkramps> noacpi will just disable irq-routing
[02:22] <mrkramps> it is dangerous … or at leat you'll have to expect kernel panics or hart shutdown by bios due to overheating
[02:22] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  im i see...
[02:23] <SpeendaSh> well the comand lines as stopped scrolling now
[02:23] <SpeendaSh> and the dvd has stopped spinning too
[02:23] <SpeendaSh> the last line says : Write protecting the kernel read-only data : 2900k
[02:24] <v1adimir> omg, like, 50-failed-attempts-to-boot-from-usb-on-oracle-virtualbox-later ..back.
[02:24] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir: Welcome back Buddy !
[02:25] <v1adimir> hi, sorz it took so long.. i'm scrolling through the # bt have you managed anything?
[02:25] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir: so far no luck ... ):
[02:26] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  but mrkramps  has helping me a lot ! (:
[02:26] <v1adimir> i've just realized something... that you have a *regular* BIOS (not EFI, or anything), the old type; so it could be something as simple as setting the boot device (properly)? o.0
[02:27] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  ah ? o: hmm... how could i do something like that ? x:
[02:27] <v1adimir> maybe a stupid thought =)
[02:27] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  well i'm willing to try anything that may work really lol
[02:27] <mrkramps> actually the bootloader works so i do not see any relation
[02:28] <v1adimir> mrkramps: ikr, but are both HDDs connected, or just one??
[02:28] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  right now only one !
[02:28] <v1adimir> oic.. well there goes my (dumb) theory xD
[02:28] <mrkramps> v1adimir, and all thhis bootoption stuff we tried was on a live system
[02:28] <SpeendaSh> too bad ... >.<
[02:29] <SpeendaSh> i wish it would have been something simple -.-
[02:29] <v1adimir> yessit sorz about that :$
[02:29] <v1adimir> yessir*
[02:29] <mrkramps> probably there is just some kernel issue
[02:29] <v1adimir> oh, right? :-0
[02:29] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  nah i appologies for being such a pain with that issue of mine lol
[02:30] <mrkramps> SpeendaSh, the ubuntu version 14.04 for installed and live currently?
[02:30] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  what version is installed right now ? Xubuntu Trusty tahr 14.04
[02:31] <v1adimir> SpeendaSh: nah, i just apologized for wasting time w/stupid ideas; need to be constructive :-f
[02:31] <mrkramps> and the live system we just tried was also 14.04?
[02:31] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  lol it's okay (: at least we've put aside some possibilibities away (:
[02:31] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  yes the exact same
[02:32] <mrkramps> earlier you said something about 13.?? not working as well?
[02:32] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  yes i eman my old installation dvd that i used to install xubuntu back when i had win XP
[02:33] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  since i've still had it , i just tried it
[02:34] <mrkramps> strange, especially when installation went fine before
[02:34] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  maybe i should explain you exactl when it happened ? what i did before ?
[02:36] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps: xubuntu was installed in my old hard drive, since i got  new one, i thought i'll replace it , because that old one is getting old and makes some really weird and worriying noise lol - in order to do so.., i've plug the new hard drive along with theold one on to the mother board, i've boot on the xubuntu 14.04 live cd to format that new hard drvie and partiton it, and then installed xubuntu on it: everything went fine
[02:37] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  when i was in my desktop i could see the old drive mounted, so all i had to do was to take my data from here and copy them on my new hard drive. when it was done i thought that now i can just get rid of the old one
[02:38] <mrkramps> the new hard drive is still plugged in the IDE 2 port?
[02:38] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  so i took it off and then ! when i tried to turn on my computer again, it wouldn't reach xubuntu aymore... o:
[02:39] <v1adimir> yea if we should change the new HDD jumper to master, right? ^^ and move IDE ports?
[02:39] <mrkramps> worth a try
[02:39] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  this ... i have no idea how to do so lol and what's the meaning of it lol
[02:39] <v1adimir> oh it's easy
[02:39] <v1adimir> what's the drive type, which one is it? we can find the diagram online
[02:40] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  Ah ? (:
[02:40] <v1adimir> seagate, western digital?
[02:40] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  the drive type ? you mean ide or Sata ?
[02:40] <v1adimir> it's IDE, right??
[02:40] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  oh the brand ? it's a samsung 80Gb
[02:41] <mrkramps> v1adimir, would you mind to step in from here in?
[02:41] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  Hmm i think it's sata actually... let me google the difference beteween ide and sata looks lol so that i can be sure (X
[02:41] <v1adimir> ok, which Samsung?.. Because on it's support page - it should have an illustration, on how to set the jumper(s)
[02:41] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  ok i'm sur enow it's sata definetely (:
[02:41] <mrkramps> i do not want to be inpolite, but i am tired as hell and running dry on ideas
[02:41] <v1adimir> IDE is the long, huge number of pins, two rows - and SATA is the little plug
[02:41] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  well i'll turn off the computer and took it off so that i can see, be right back ! (:
[02:42] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  yeah, definetely SATA (:
[02:42] <mrkramps> if you do not mind, i am off to bed :x
[02:42] <v1adimir> cool, gn mrkramps take care :)
[02:42] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  ooh... ^ ^ too bad... no problem ! thanks you a lot for your patience and help really !
[02:42] <mrkramps> nevermind, you're welcome!
[02:42] <v1adimir> SpeendaSh: https://www.google.com/search?q=IDE+plug
[02:43] <SpeendaSh> mrkramps:  rest well ! (:
[02:43] <mrkramps> good night
[02:43] <v1adimir> you can tell by the cable, no need to take out the drive
[02:43] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  i have a few things in IDE in my computer but... the hdd definetely is SATA (:
[02:43] <v1adimir> oic
[02:43] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir: be rigth back then i'll took it off and try to give you the info i can find on it !
[02:43] <v1adimir> so.. no need to set anything (on SATA)
[02:44] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  ah ? really ?
[02:44] <v1adimir> SATA looks like this: https://www.google.com/search?q=SATA+cable << is that like yours?
[02:44] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  yup ! (:
[02:45] <v1adimir> ok, cool.. SATA just has "ports" and it's all auto.. i don't think that we need to do anything there
[02:45] <v1adimir> i mean physically
[02:45] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  and on the motherboard there is two plug for sata... so i wonder if there is an order ? i tried both plugs actually
[02:46] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  so any ports is fine ?
[02:46] <SpeendaSh> (ports i maents... not plugs actually)
[02:46] <v1adimir> shouldn't be an issue... just need someone who can tell us how the HECK to fix /configure Grub2 now :))
[02:47] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  ok great hehe
[02:47] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  well now i guess i need to be patient then  (X
[02:50] <SpeendaSh> i'm trying to google it meanwhile...
[02:50] <v1adimir> SpeendaSh: from what i know, jumpers on SATA are for a different thing - other than master/slave; example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDPOpBi2gtE
[02:50] <v1adimir> (so, pretty sure about that whole thing :))
[02:52] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  oooh that's pretty interesting !! X.X that reduce the HDD speed actually o:
[02:52] <v1adimir> i need to check mine, lol; didn't do it upon installing xD
[02:52] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  i'm definetely going to check right now ! and now thanks to you i know what a "jumper" is hehe (:
[02:53] <v1adimir> ):
[02:53] <v1adimir> :)
[02:53] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  lol guess it's a reminder for both of us then (X
[02:54] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  but isn't bad for the HDD health to run faster by any chance ?
[02:55] <SpeendaSh> (since my computer is pretty hold.. i wonder if it can handle that speed...)
[02:56] <v1adimir> shouldn't be.. there's the 'mtbf' (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_time_between_failures) for all rotational HDDs, total number of hours that it'll run, but as long as they're not over-heating
[02:56] <v1adimir> like if you have a case-fan, to extract hot air; keep the box temp. down
[02:57] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  Oh... i see...
[02:57] <SpeendaSh> oh well...
[02:57] <v1adimir> no need to limit speed, you're using it as the system drive - need it 2 be fast, right =)
[02:58] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  indeed !
[02:58] <SpeendaSh> i'm going to check it after all lol you've convinced me
[02:58] <v1adimir> :))
[02:58] <v1adimir> lol
[02:59] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  ah ! there is no jumper in mine lol
[02:59] <v1adimir> cool, hehe
[03:00] <SpeendaSh> you know what... i have a thrid HDD that i've kept from an old computer... i'm going to try to install xubuntu on it lol
[03:01] <v1adimir> i'm not getting, exactly, what happened (tired as well, my excuse; long day and it's ~5am here); you installed xubuntu and had it working /and then upon a reboot - it wouldn't boot any more?
[03:02] <v1adimir> *geez, 5am xD
[03:03] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  lol i figured we're in the exact same time zone... same here... 5Am -.-  - well when i've removed the old hard drive and drive to boot again, that's when it has stopped working...
[03:03] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  but it's okay hehe, i don't want you to end up sleeping in your keybord because of me lol
[03:04] <v1adimir> it's cool, all good :))
[03:04] <v1adimir> ok, so it sounds like the bootloader installed on the old drive and was booting the new one - right?
[03:04] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  thanks for your help really (:
[03:05] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  i think that's that maybe o:
[03:05] <v1adimir> probably if you connect them the same way (if you've not changed anything), it'll work
[03:05] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  that would expleain why it didn't like that i took if off ? lol
[03:05] <v1adimir> and then you can just work to move the bootloader and modify grub, right?
[03:05] <v1adimir> lol yes probably xD
[03:06] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  hmm... well i tried to plug them both though i don't remember which way as it... though there is only 2 ways possible i'll try to replug them again both right now...
[03:06] <v1adimir> have your tried it?.. move 'em both back the same way 'n boot?
[03:06] <v1adimir> kk
[03:06] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  i think i tried lol but not sure, also i've mess with the grub recovery mode so i wonder if i didn't change something too X.X
[03:07] <v1adimir> bc it'll be easy-peasy when the system is runnin'
[03:07] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  yeah... well i wish it'll work again really !
[03:07] <SpeendaSh> so i'm going to try now
[03:08] <v1adimir> i'm not 100% sure, bt i think this is what i used b4: https://launchpad.net/~danielrichter2007/+archive/ubuntu/grub-customizer
[03:08] <v1adimir> you know, GUI tool for everything....
[03:09] <SpeendaSh> oh it's meant to confugure GRUB ?
[03:10] <v1adimir> yup
[03:10] <v1adimir> IF you can boot the system :D
[03:10] <v1adimir> *in order to run it, hehe
[03:11] <SpeendaSh> sounds like a good idea !, but first i need to succeed in getting there lol
[03:17] <SpeendaSh> well first attempt... fail -.-
[03:17] <SpeendaSh> i'll try plugging them oppositely now...
[03:18] <v1adimir> hah!.. kk. :)
[03:22] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir: second try... failed too...
[03:22] <SpeendaSh> and flop -.-
[03:23] <v1adimir> argh
[03:23] <SpeendaSh> i really don't have any more idea X.X
[03:24] <v1adimir> well,
[03:25] <v1adimir> if you can make a LiveUSB, with some space to spare.. boot from it and install boot-repair, to use the option "Place GRUB into" ( http://www.howopensource.com/2012/05/reinstall-recover-grub-from-ubuntu-12-04-live-cd-usb/ )
[03:26] <v1adimir> or, my bad.. the space is unneeded sorry - it's only to preserve data
[03:26] <v1adimir> *across reboots, or whatever
[03:27] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  so i should make a boot repair live usb ?
[03:27] <v1adimir> SpeendaSh: so, same version of the OS as is on the new HDD - LiveUSB, or LiveCD and install the software once you have booted the system
[03:28] <v1adimir> (and make sure it's the only HDD that's plugged in :))
[03:28] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  it's worth a try ! (:
[03:28] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  i'm going to try... need to find my usb key first lol
[03:28] <v1adimir> .. otherwise, you have to manually install /edit Grub2 from a console and i can't tell you how 2 do that :D
[03:28] <v1adimir> SpeendaSh: the liveCD that you made, doesn't boot?
[03:29] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  nope.. unfortunately...
[03:29] <v1adimir> :( oic
[03:29] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir: i wonder if i'll get better with an usb key>.>
[03:30] <v1adimir> it's probably just one line you need to modify :f
[03:30] <v1adimir> bah
[03:30] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir: yeah i gues smaybe...
[03:30] <v1adimir> :-f
[03:30] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir: i'll find a solution !
[03:30] <SpeendaSh> lol
[03:30] <SpeendaSh> hopefully (X
[03:30] <v1adimir> ok, man, i'll be back later :)
[03:31] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir: good night man ! thanks for your help !
[03:31] <v1adimir> gn, tc
[03:31] <SpeendaSh> thanks
[03:31] <v1adimir> sure, for what it's worth :D
[03:32] <v1adimir> oh SpeendaSh
[03:32] <SpeendaSh> (:
[03:32] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  yes ?
[03:32] <v1adimir> your nick isn't registered?..
[03:32] <SpeendaSh> v1adimir:  lol nope i don't think so x:
[03:32] <v1adimir> i mean, no freenode acct?
[03:32] <v1adimir> ah, ok
[03:32] <SpeendaSh> but i always use that nick name though (:
[03:32] <v1adimir> oh
[03:32] <v1adimir> sec
[03:32] <SpeendaSh> hmm nope don't even know what it is lol
[03:32] <SpeendaSh> ok
[03:35] <v1adimir> gn
[03:35]  * v1adimir beams off 2 bed
[04:10] <xubuntu53w> Hi everyone, I'm a new user who just upgraded from 14.10 to 15.04
[04:11] <xubuntu53w> Currently having issues that I'm wondering how to resolve before I rebuild from scratch
[11:47] <Reptilia> I have a really low sound volume on my Xubuntu. I remember that i used to have this problem on a previous version too, and i fixed it, but don't remember how. When i enter alsamixer, all the volumes are set to the max, but it's really quiet. Any ideas on how to fix this? Thanks in advance.
[11:57] <BadLuckRyan> Is it possible to resize a partition using the grub command line? GParted usb isnt booting so Super Grub2 Disk is my only alternative.
[12:33] <knome> BadLuckRyan, no
[12:34] <knome> grub is a boot loader, not a partition manager
[12:35] <knome> BadLuckRyan, is there any reason you can't just boot the xubuntu live disk and run gparted from there?
[12:36] <cfhowlett> BadLuckRyan, you already asked and answered this in #ubuntu.  answer ain't gonna change here.
[12:42] <xubuntu73w> hi all, anyone ever encountered a bug where the whisker menu disappear when you move tasks in taskbar (xubuntu 14.04 and 15.04)?
[12:43] <xubuntu73w> after the whisker menu disappear, if you hover on the missing whisker, it appears agein
[12:44] <xubuntu73w> but you have to set taskbar 'sorting order' to 'none, allow drag-and-drop'
[14:15] <ptrz> is there any easy way to switch from LTS to release and then update? My laptop isn't updating from 14.02, presumably because I installed with the LTS image
[14:23] <BadLuckRyan> Im using grub4dos trying to boot the Windows kernel (or efi). When i type "chainloader +1" i get "error: invalid EFI file path". What do I do?
[14:32] <baizon> ptrz: http://www.noobslab.com/2014/10/how-to-upgrade-from-any-ubuntu-version.html
[17:39] <sergio_br22> tumblerd 100% of IO
[17:40] <sergio_br22> my hard disk will die with him
[17:40] <sergio_br22> it
[17:41] <bekks> ?
[17:41] <bekks> Why would it?
[17:47] <sergio_br22> because it stays with 100% I/O for some minutes
[17:47] <sergio_br22> is it normal?
[17:48] <holstein> how many minutes? what are you doing?
[17:48] <holstein> hard drives can typically handle reading and writing for minutes at a time..
[17:48] <sergio_br22> it happens when I remove or cut folders
[17:49] <holstein> i would try removing files/directories from the terminal, see if i get any messages that are helpful, and check my system usaged then
[17:49] <sergio_br22> hum
[17:50] <bekks> And why would 100% of I/O for minutes kill your disk?
[17:50] <holstein> they are made for reading and writing
[17:52] <sergio_br22> don't like this behavior :p
[18:02] <ptrz> sergio_br22: yeah, tumblerd is insane
[18:02] <ptrz> I was hoping someone would tone it down or fix it
[18:02] <ptrz> I once plugged in a 1 TB drive full of movies and couldn't watch anything until I figured out how to disable tumblerd
[18:03] <ptrz> cause it was hogging so much CPU just making stupid thumbnails
[18:09] <brainwash> ptrz: sadly, no one maintains tumbler
[18:11] <ptrz> brainwash: maybe it should be removed
[18:11] <ptrz> also, has there been any talk of switching from Parole to VLC?
[18:11] <brainwash> without any replacement?
[18:11] <ptrz> Parole can't keep up with 1080p on a Macbook Air, which seems sort of dismal
[18:12] <brainwash> why would the team want to replace parole?
[18:12] <ptrz> considering that the right software can play 720p on a Raspberry Pi
[18:12] <ptrz> it just seems unusably slow
[18:12] <ptrz> maybe it's not doing CPU dispatching to use graphics cards or SIMD extensions
[18:12] <ptrz> but not being able to play a 1080p movie on a MacBook Air in 2015 is, well, a problem
[18:13] <brainwash> hardly anyone complains about parole, many users actually enjoy it
[18:13] <brainwash> vlc is a bloated monster
[18:14] <brainwash> maybe not the ideal pick for a default player which should be lightweight
[18:15] <ptrz> VLC is pretty big
[18:15] <ptrz> but it's also pretty feature-rich in useful ways
[18:15] <brainwash> you can discuss this matter on the mailing list, but I guess that no one will be interested to discuss this (yet another default app discussion)
[18:15] <ptrz> I mean, it should more likely be a bug report regarding performance
[18:16] <ptrz> that's the hard part here, I think: dispatching for SIMD and graphics features sucks, but it has to be done
[18:16] <brainwash> indeed, it would help if you file a bug report and attach some performance comparisons
[18:16] <ptrz> because otherwise people just don't get the playback performance they expect
[18:16] <ptrz> true
[18:17] <ptrz> I probably won't have the time in the forseeable future, but I'll keep it on my list
[18:17] <ptrz> I suspect that the Parole devs are aware of this
[18:17] <brainwash> parole is a gstreamer based player, there may be some limitation due to the gstreamer backend
[18:17] <ptrz> oh, interesting, I didn't know that
[18:18] <ptrz> I've actually just started learning gstreamer
[18:18] <ptrz> It's relevant to my summer work (GSoC)
[18:20] <brainwash> that's all I know, haven't experimented with parole yet
[18:21] <brainwash> I used it to play some audio files :)
[18:21] <ptrz> yeah, I mean, I don't remember it ever being buggy
[18:21] <ptrz> or ugly or anything. Just unusably slow for high quality video
[18:22] <ptrz> well, I have to run
[18:23] <ptrz> hopefully I'll start a conversation about it with the devs
[18:23] <ptrz> and hopefully I'll develop enough gstreamer skill to try adding more arch-specific optimizations
[18:23] <brainwash> sounds promising
 cause it was hogging so much CPU just making stupid thumbnails
[19:40] <sergio_br22> yup
[19:40] <sergio_br22> why it doesn't do it while you are accessing each folder?
[20:37] <guest-XS5iyn> Hello.  Need password help.  Reset password in terminal using "passwd" command, but now cannot log in.  Used recovery mode to reset password again, now I can log into terminal, but gui constantly requests password.  Any guidance helpful.
[20:38] <bekks> guest-XS5iyn: Check wether your disk is full.
[20:38] <guest-XS5iyn> My disk has space.  Thanks.
[20:38] <guest-XS5iyn> Could it have to do with .Xauthority file, or with LightDM?
[22:44] <SpeendaSh> Hello everyone ! it's me again ! this time i'm having trouble with the USB ports of my computer.. x:
[23:44] <innmalint> Can anyone be so kind as to tell me what lockscreen Xubuntu uses? I'm using debian but I'm getting tired of xscreensaver's ugly apperance.
[23:47] <bazhang> !info light-locker
[23:49] <innmalint> thank ya


[01:11] <Grantbow> I think that should be a setting in Firefox for how to handle those media types.  I haven't looked for it yet but what you suggest would be better on my system too.
[01:16] <Takyoji> It could just be a simple modification of having it replace the HTML for the flash-based player with the HTML of embedded video.
[01:16] <Takyoji> That's all it would take. Just a little regular expressions within JS, within a plugin, and viola
[01:17] <Takyoji> I think I saw someone with a netbook with Linux Mint or something that I think may have had such a plugin within Firefox