[00:05] <Tonio_> ryanakca: very fun :)
[00:05] <Tonio_> ryanakca: it's my last week here... back to normal life this we
[00:11] <Riddelll> we have to lose 350MB from the size of our DVDs :(
[00:18] <JontheEchidna> dang
[00:18] <JontheEchidna> Oh, that reminds me
[00:19] <JontheEchidna> we can lose 50 MB from both the livecd and dvd if we put debug symbols back in amarok-dbg
[00:19]  * JontheEchidna commits the fix to bar
[00:19] <JontheEchidna> *bzr
[00:20] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: I am currently building an amarok package which has that fix in it
[00:20] <JontheEchidna> neversfelde: ok, then I'll leave it to you :)
[00:21] <JontheEchidna> Riddelll: could I get sponsorship for bug 432863?
[00:31] <neversfelde> mhh, amarok FTBFS with the taglib packages from Riddelll's ppa
[00:35] <rgreening> Riddelll: what bumped the DVD by 350?
[00:36] <JontheEchidna> Amarok bumped it by around 50. I don't know how the CDs are not overweight by now
[00:36] <rgreening> lzma
[00:36] <rgreening> :P
[00:36] <Riddelll> neversfelde: really?  poke jefferai with the compiler error
[00:36] <rgreening> dropping kde3
[00:36] <Riddelll> JontheEchidna: CDs did grow lots in the last alpha, that would explain why
[00:37] <Riddelll> I had to remove stuff from amd64
[00:37] <rgreening> heh
[00:39] <Riddelll> UDS sponsorship time, Kubuntu contributors should put their names forward
[00:39] <neversfelde> jefferai: ping
[00:40] <maco> good luck :)
[00:40] <JontheEchidna> The message indicator no longer changes icon when there are new indications :(
[00:41] <maco> for me the message indicator just always shows the "messages!" icon because there are always unread (but not *newly arrived*) emails in kmail
[00:42] <JontheEchidna> I just get the plain envelope icon always
[00:42] <neversfelde> here is the compiler error: http://pastebin.ca/1574621
[00:43] <neversfelde> I have to get some sleep, so I will have another look tomorrow
[00:43] <neversfelde> gn8
[00:44] <rgreening> works here for me JontheEchidna
[00:47] <Riddelll> JontheEchidna: I'll look at that phonon merge tomorrow morning, poke me should I forget
[00:49] <skreech> Can we make kopete not use hte indicator in Karmic?
[00:49] <skreech> Just remove it from the panel and it will use normal notifications?
[00:50] <JontheEchidna> as of alpha 6 kopete does not use it by default
[00:50] <JontheEchidna> installations from when it was default will have to disable it manually
[00:50] <skreech> I guess the general question is can we choose between notifications and indicators on an app basis?
[01:34] <jefferai> neversfelde: pong
[01:35] <JontheEchidna> jefferai: he went to bed. He wanted to show you this amarok build failure w/ latest taglib: http://pastebin.ca/1574621
[01:38] <jefferai> JontheEchidna: neversfelde: install the (just released) taglib-extras-1.0.1
[01:38] <jefferai> fixes a symbol validity error
[01:38] <jefferai> eerr
[01:38] <jefferai> symbol visibility error
[01:54] <jefferai> this particular one, actually :-)
[02:16] <skreech> Did Palm ever respond to Amarok?
[03:44]  * ScottK would like a laptop battery where #of times I can compile kde4libs >= 1.
[03:45] <shtylman> haha
[03:45] <ScottK> skreech: I think you can choose on a per app basis.
[03:46] <ScottK> I'm trying to backport some stuff from kdesvn to get a newer plasma-netbook and it touches both workspace and libs.
[03:46] <ScottK> It's a pain.
[03:46] <shtylman> I bet...
[03:46] <shtylman> should just cross compile on a desktop
[03:47] <ScottK> How goes OOo, speaking of pain?
[03:47] <ScottK> Well the one desktop that's reasonably available still has Dapper on it.
[03:47] <shtylman> oh boy... well, I submitting a set of patches to ccheney with some fixes for various bugs
[03:48] <shtylman> but the no text one still illudes me
[03:48] <ScottK> How about the suffix appending?
[03:48] <shtylman> suffix appending?
[03:48] <shtylman> auto extension appending you mean?
[03:48] <ScottK> Yeah
[03:48] <shtylman> oh thats fixed
[03:48] <shtylman> that was in the patches I sent
[03:48] <ScottK> Excellent.
[03:49] <ScottK> My daughter will be glad to hear that.
[03:49] <shtylman> heh
[03:49] <shtylman> I really want to work out this text bug
[03:49] <skreech> ScottK: ok that would be great
[03:49] <shtylman> im sure it has to do with some initialization problem/qt event loop nonsense
[03:50] <ScottK> I'd suggest asking agateau to look at it.
[03:51] <shtylman> does he sit in kde-devel?
[03:55] <ScottK> He does sometimes, but he's also usually here.
[03:55] <ScottK> He doesn't stay logged in overnight and is in France, so no suprise he's not here at the moment.
[03:56] <shtylman> gotcha...well im eastern time...and work during the day thus not on IRC
[03:56] <shtylman> so maybe I will send him an emails
[03:56] <shtylman> (email
[09:42] <davmor2> Riddelll, ScottK: Having a mobile day today so KNE and UNR anything specific you'd like me to <del>Break</del> look at?
[10:26] <Riddelll> davmor2: any idea if oem-installer works on Kubuntu?
[10:30] <davmor2> I'll check I think there were some fixes go in
[11:13] <happyaron> hi, is kdebluetooth merge all pot files to a single one?
[11:16] <Riddelll> happyaron: kdebluetooth has four pot files
[11:16] <Riddelll> desktop_playground-network.pot  kbluetooth4-devicemanager.pot  kbluetooth4.pot  kbluetooth4-wizard.pot
[11:17] <happyaron> Riddelll: but I could only find one in the latest tarball
[11:18] <happyaron> Riddelll: I want to confirm if we should change these four into one on launchpad
[11:19] <Riddelll> hmm, tonio uploaded the new kdebluetooth without a FFe
[11:20] <happyaron> Riddelll: well, what should I do to that pot file? drop new or merge old?
[11:22] <Riddelll> happyaron: hang on I'll ask upstream
[11:29] <Riddelll> happyaron: you are right, upstream changed it so kbluetooth4-devicemanager.pot  kbluetooth4.pot  kbluetooth4-wizard.pot are all now merged into kbluetooth.po
[11:29] <Riddelll> dpm: ^^
[11:29] <Riddelll> not sure what needs to be done to make that right in launchpad
[11:29] <happyaron> Riddelll: I think we might need to merge them, dpm
[12:14] <dpm> hi happyaron, I would first double check if the strings from kbluetooth4-devicemanager.pot  kbluetooth4.pot  kbluetooth4-wizard.pot kbluetooth4-wizard.pot are indeed in the new kbluetooth.pot template. Then the kdebluetooth4-* templates should be disabled and the kdebluetooth one approved. But before doing anything, let me ask danilo what we should do to make sure we don't loose any of the translations of the old templates in LP
[12:14] <happyaron> dpm: good, :)
[12:57] <Riddelll> neversfelde: new taglib-extras in ~jr PPA
[13:00] <Riddelll> Tonio_: you uploaded kdebluetooth without a FFe?
[13:00] <Riddelll> shtylman: did slideshow get merged?
[13:08] <Tonio_> Riddelll: only bugfixes afaik this doesn't require a ffe
[13:09] <Tonio_> Riddelll: I asked here and was told it wasn't required
[13:09] <Tonio_> Riddelll: did anyone complain about that ?
[13:13] <Tonio_> Riddelll: I also mentionned this release was a bugfix only in the changelog
[13:30] <Riddelll> Tonio_: the translation setup changed a lot
[13:30] <Riddelll> Tonio_: although we did want the new version, it's not like kdebluetooth could get any worse :)
[13:31] <Tonio_> Riddelll: right, sorry for breaking the translations then :)
[13:31] <Tonio_> Riddelll: I'll have to commit a kds update to disable the obex server by default since I noticed yesterday it'll prompt for selecting the destination folder on a cd
[13:33] <Tonio_> Riddelll: or maybe use kconf_update and a python script to set the folder to the xdg download dir
[13:34] <Tonio_> Riddelll: any opinion on that point ?
[13:34] <Tonio_> maybe the second option is nicer...
[13:34] <Tonio_> Riddelll: we might want to enable the obex server by default I think
[13:36] <Riddelll> Tonio_: sounds like kdebluetooth should be fixed to default to xdg instead of asking
[13:37] <Tonio_> so patch the source then ? can do
[13:37] <Tonio_> I'll do that then
[13:39] <Riddelll> or talk to upstream
[13:40] <Riddelll> afiestas is pretty responsive
[13:40] <Tonio_> Riddelll: oki
[14:05] <happyaron> Riddelll: do you know where kabc-sql has been changed to? or removed from package?
[14:05] <happyaron> Riddelll: I mean in kdelibs
[14:07] <happyaron> Riddelll: ah, got it
[14:07] <happyaron> it comes to a plugin
[14:07] <davmor2> Riddelll: oem is broken on yours and ubuntu's (ubuntu's slightly more spectacularly too be honest)
[14:44] <neversfelde> Riddelll: I already tried to build amarok against taglib-extras 1.0.1 and it works. I will do a second build with the packages in your ppa. Should I push my packaging to bzr after that although taglib and taglib-extras are not in the archives yet?
[14:45] <neversfelde> jefferai: thank you for your help
[14:45] <jefferai> neversfelde: sure
[14:45] <jefferai> neversfelde: I guess I don't have -fvisibility=hidden here
[14:45] <jefferai> :-)
[14:45] <neversfelde> :)
[14:48] <Riddelll> neversfelde: yes please push to bzr
[14:48] <Riddelll> jefferai: do you think you'll be able to do us a fix for the juk patch or should we just drop it?
[14:51] <jefferai> I could probably do it -- if you'll link me to it  :-)
[14:52] <Riddelll> jefferai: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdemultimedia/ubuntu/annotate/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu_06_juk_read_mp4.diff
[14:54] <jefferai> Riddelll: I think I'll add this to juk trunk
[14:54] <jefferai> the majority of the patch can be discarded
[15:15] <Riddelll> still 90MB to remove from the DVD, maybe the amarok upload will sort that
[15:16] <Riddelll> what shall we call the team for people who can upload Kubuntu packages?
[15:21] <Tm_T> Riddelll: something else than karate-kids
[15:21]  * Tm_T is just kidding with ninjas
[15:25] <jefferai> Riddelll: hrm, trunk is now 4.4 isn't it
[15:26] <Riddelll> jefferai: yes
[15:26] <Riddelll> although I doubt juk has changed much
[15:27] <jefferai> there have been recent patches, actually
[15:28] <jefferai> probably the easiest thing to do, w.r.t. the patch, is for me to skip the check in CMakeLists (since I know that you're building with MP4 support) and just modify the patch itself
[15:29] <jefferai> err, the main source code
[15:29] <jefferai> thoughts?
[15:31] <Riddelll> jefferai: I agree
[15:32] <jefferai> I'm even going to throw in a bonus for you
[15:32] <Riddelll> how exciting, what's that?
[15:38] <jefferai> the ability to read mp4 audiobooks
[15:38] <jefferai> anyways, I have a patch ready
[15:38] <jefferai> untested :-)
[15:38] <jefferai> hand-edited diff ranges
[15:38] <jefferai> should be fun
[15:39] <jefferai> http://pastie.org/625956
[15:41] <Riddelll> 3 out of 3 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file juk/mediafiles.cpp.rej
[15:41] <Riddelll> fooey
[15:41] <jefferai> where's the source?
[15:42] <jefferai> straight off 4.3 branch?
[15:42] <jefferai> or...?
[15:42] <maco> grrr i dont like whatever happened to plasma in the last week
[15:42] <skreech> trunk?
[15:42] <maco> now when the dashboard is shown, there's no cashew to hide the dashboard. so i have to right click and go to appearance settings, because once i open appearance settings, then the windows can all come back
[15:44] <Riddelll> jefferai: 4.3.1
[15:44] <Riddelll> jefferai: this is what applies http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/625956.txt
[15:44] <jefferai> Riddelll: that's the paste I just sent you
[15:46] <Riddelll> jefferai: except my one applies :)
[15:47] <jefferai> Line numbers are the same
[15:48] <jefferai> must have been copy+paste issue into the browser
[15:48] <jefferai> whitespace issue
[15:48] <jefferai> what did you do?
[15:48] <Riddelll> yep
[15:48] <Riddelll> applied it by hand and redid the diff
[15:48] <jefferai> ah
[15:48]  * jefferai wishes diff wasn't so finicky about whitespace
[15:59] <Riddelll> jefferai: well it compiles fine, the only .mp4 I have is a video and it won't open that
[16:02] <jefferai> yah
[16:07] <skreech> can't you make diff white space insensitive?
[16:15] <skreech> Riddelll: a word when you are done
[16:19] <skreech> Well two words :)
[16:19] <Riddelll> skreech: what's that?
[16:20] <skreech> Riddelll: Are we taking up the upstream distro art customization offer?
[16:20] <Riddelll> we already use upstream distro art
[16:21] <skreech> Kubuntu art?
[16:21] <Riddelll> we did take up the upstream disto art offer for the new ubiquity artwork
[16:21] <skreech> ok
[16:22] <skreech> What's the workflow with that?
[16:22] <skreech> We say we would like to take you up on the offer
[16:22] <skreech> THey help with the design? Then we implement?
[16:22] <skreech> With review by them?
[16:23] <skreech> or would they work directly with creating the art and so on?
[16:23] <Riddelll> we say "we'd like a bit of artwork for X" or "we'd like artwork Y done in Kubuntu colours" and they do it if they feel so inclined
[16:23] <skreech> Ah Hmm ok
[16:24] <skreech>  iwas trying to figure out if we needed to start recruiting a new art team
[16:24] <skreech> K Second question though this is less Koala and more for Lynx
[16:24] <skreech> http://gkiagia.wordpress.com/2009/08/19/installing-debug-symbol-packages-from-drkonqi/
[16:24] <Riddelll> not really, our art needs are very modest because unlike other distros we use upstream artwork because it rocks
[16:24] <skreech> Remember that blog post?
[16:25] <skreech> Since we are using packagekit would it make more sense to simply borrow debian scripts or do something more integrated?
[16:27] <Riddelll> using the debian setup would be easiest, but it would be better to use the more complete dbgsym archive for ubuntu
[16:28] <skreech> So iguess that will be looked at once Koala is out?
[16:30] <Riddelll> I don't know what the status of it is upstream, if upstream is ready for distros to do something they should say so and point us at the docs for how
[16:30] <skreech> Hmm OK I'll prod around and see where they are and see if an announcement is forthcoming
[16:34] <Riddelll> neversfelde: remember to push amarok packaging
[16:37] <neversfelde> Riddelll: it is still buiding, but I can push if you need it now?
[16:37] <neversfelde> should be ok
[16:41] <Tonio_> Riddelll: a friend of mine wrote a krunner extension for opera
[16:41] <Tonio_> Riddelll: I think he can do the same for arora pretty easilly
[16:41] <Tonio_> Riddelll: isn't that too late for karmic ?
[16:41] <Tonio_> Riddelll: if an ffe can be approved in... let's say a week, I can ask him to do so
[16:42] <skreech> Can't it be added to universe?
[16:43] <Tonio_> skreech: bah I suspect the idea would be to have this in main since we ship with arora
[16:43] <Tonio_> maybe we can add this in the arora package directly
[16:43] <Riddelll> neversfelde: just whenever you're ready
[16:43] <Tonio_> it already has kde integration
[16:44] <Riddelll> Arora isn't on the CD any more, and it doesn't have KDE integration
[16:44] <Riddelll> Tonio_: what does the krunner do?
[16:44] <Tonio_> Riddelll: checks in your bookmarks like it does with konqueror
[16:44] <skreech> I thought we were shipping with Konqueror?
[16:45] <Tonio_> skreech: well right now yes, but that may and will probably change in the future
[16:45] <Tonio_> skreech: considering the netbook edition too btw
[16:45] <skreech> I recalled a kopete krunner plugin in erarly koala Cds is that still there?
[16:52] <Tonio_> skreech: was arora as default browser spec discarded to Lucid ?
[16:52] <Tonio_> skreech: I probably wasn't there when it was decided, but at the UDS, the choice was made afair
[16:53] <skreech> Konqueror is the new default.
[16:54] <nixternal> good morning Kubuntu!!!
[16:54] <Riddelll> Tonio_: we had a Kubuntu meeting a month or so ago and the vote was to go with Konqueror for Karmic.  I disagree with it
[16:54] <Riddelll> why it's nixternal
[16:54] <nixternal> get um!
[16:54] <nixternal> oh wait, that's me
[16:54] <Tonio_> Riddelll: I completly disagree too, but well I should have been there
[16:54] <Tonio_> Riddelll: especially since next version of arora has adblock and password storage
[16:55] <Tonio_> nixternal: what's against arora ? :)
[16:55] <Tonio_> konqueror just won't work with our users websites...
[16:55] <Tonio_> imho that's the main point with it
[16:55] <Tonio_> arora is still young, but at least browses correctly
[16:56] <nixternal> arora seems slow on loading web pages to me...konqueror is faster but does have issues with some sites...a lot of our users will install firefox anyways
[16:57]  * skreech still thinks we should have a kubuntu-proper package
[16:57] <skreech> that just installs all the stuff we would like to have on the cd
[16:57] <skreech> Wallapapers themes plasmoids etc
[16:57] <skreech> Arora could be attached to that
[16:57] <skreech> Arora just freaking bugs out on sites for me
[16:58] <skreech> I only use it for Gmail and even there it doesn't act like I expect
[16:58] <skreech> We ship the firefox installer for Koala
[17:01] <Riddelll> shtylman: I just e-mailed you, check your spam folder, gmail doesn't like my mail server
[17:03] <Tonio_> nixternal: well konqueror simply ignores most of the javascript... sure that's fast, but imho bad
[17:03] <nixternal> true
[17:04] <skreech> Konqueror is apparently very bad at javascript
[17:14] <Tonio_> nixternal: when arora 0.9.1 is released with adblock support and password storage, I think we should eventually rediscuss this karmic default web browser
[17:14] <Tonio_> really no decent web browser isn't acceptable nowadays...
[17:14] <nixternal> 2 features I do not use :)
[17:14] <Tonio_> I hope it's not too late for this
[17:18] <Riddelll> it's beta freeze in two days
[17:18] <Riddelll> that's pretty late
[17:18] <Riddelll> we still have to decide on default IRC client
[17:19] <skreech> Tonio_: what is the definition of a decent web browser
[17:19] <Riddelll> one that can read slashdot
[17:19] <Riddelll> oh wait, that's just me
[17:19] <skreech> Dropping any referenecs to what's on the market. Just a list
[17:19] <smarter> Riddelll: reddit/hackernews are the new slashdot ;)
[17:20] <skreech> JS would be high on that list I think
[17:20] <Tonio_> skreech: one that can browse gmail, facebook, twitter, without bugs ?
[17:21] <Tonio_> skreech: one that feets our users needs ?
[17:21] <skreech> Tonio_: I don't think I know any browser that does that :)
[17:21] <Tonio_> skreech: I don't think I know any browser that does that worse than konqueror :)
[17:21] <skreech> w3m :-(
[17:21] <Tonio_> right
[17:21] <skreech> it won't even display gmail anymore
[17:22] <smarter> let's just put Internet Explorer by default and be done :P
[17:22] <Tonio_> but technically, konqueror is what it is and is not gonna change
[17:22] <skreech> just started doing it since the start of this year
[17:22] <Tonio_> arora is super maintained, upstream wants it to work
[17:22] <Tonio_> that's the main difference
[17:22] <Riddelll> w3m can read slashdot
[17:22] <skreech> No I agree that we need a web dolphin
[17:22] <skreech> So can konqueror I think
[17:22] <Tonio_> skreech: it could be rekonq to, whatever
[17:23] <Tonio_> but something that uses a "de facto standard" engine, like webkit
[17:23] <Tonio_> khtml is deprecated... I'd love konqueror to work with webkit, but that's not gonna happen, really
[17:23] <Tonio_> otherwise it would work right now
[17:25] <skreech> at least the times I cahrekonq can't read gmail
[17:25] <skreech> bah
[17:25] <Tonio_> skreech: and the main problem is that it's going to be worse and worse, since most websites are evolving to ajax and break in konq when they worked 2 years ago
[17:25] <Tonio_> skreech: arora does
[17:25] <skreech>  At least the times I've checked slashdot Konqueror can read it
[17:25] <skreech>  Rekonq can't read Gmail
[17:25] <skreech>  My biggest strike against it so far
[17:25] <Tonio_> so what's the problem with arora ? :)
[17:26] <nixternal> dropshadows on planet.ubuntu.com look horrible? :)
[17:26] <skreech> Yeah that's mostly what I use Arora for
[17:26] <skreech> Arora doesn't work with any other site I go to normally
[17:26] <skreech> Either it won't load aor it's a fully vertical layout
[17:27] <skreech> Between Konqueror and Arora I only open Firefox if need an extension
[17:27] <Tonio_> skreech: not any website ?
[17:27]  * Tonio_ is curious... what are those websites ?
[17:27] <Riddelll> google calendar, revu
[17:28] <skreech> And Arora has a pretty large memory footprint
[17:28] <Tonio_> google calendat works with me
[17:28] <skreech>  too large a ratio of nonworking sites to Ram usage for me to jsut keep it open
[17:28] <Tonio_> Riddelll: is that supposed not to work ?
[17:29] <Riddelll> doesn't work for me, gets stuck at the login
[17:29] <Tonio_> Riddelll: hum weird...
[17:29] <Tonio_> lemme check
[17:30] <neversfelde> Riddelll: it is in bzr
[17:31] <Riddelll> neversfelde: and it all compiles and runs?
[17:31] <Tonio_> Riddelll: no pb with google calendar here.... weird...
[17:31] <Tonio_> Riddelll: a cookie cache problem on your side maybe ? or you just didn't test with 0.9 ?
[17:34] <Riddelll> Tonio_: you're right, it works today
[17:40] <neversfelde> Riddelll: it compiles with the packages in your ppa and at least music plays and tagging seems to work :)
[17:41] <Riddelll> neversfelde: does it make my tea too?
[17:42] <neversfelde> I think you would have to add a dependency on kteatime^^
[17:49] <nixternal> what is the trick for setting up printers connected to a windows/samba machine? in gnome it just works, but I have yet to get it to 'just work' in Kubuntu yet
[17:50] <smarter> nixternal: systemsettings ->printy thingy -> settings -> check the box related to allow use of network printers -> wait a few seconds/minutes -> magic!
[17:51] <nixternal> smarter: i have waited a few minutes
[17:51] <nixternal> but not with the window open :)  /me tries
[17:51] <smarter> tried to do it manually with the "new network printer" button?
[17:52] <nixternal> ya, but trying to figure all of the information I need is a pita
[18:04] <Riddelll> yuriy: rumour has it that apport-kde is broken and you have patches, is this true?
[18:05] <yuriy> Riddelll: partial fix, pitti said he'll include it in the next upload
[18:05] <yuriy> Riddelll: bug 405378, bug 403361
[18:10] <yuriy> Riddelll: any ideas on the latter?
[18:11] <Riddelll> didn't we think the new sip and pyqt4 would fix that?
[18:11] <yuriy> maybe, i haven't had a chance to update and check
[18:29] <Riddelll> yuriy: there's nothing attached to bug 405378, where is the fix?
[18:36] <ubuntu> ScottK: you around dude?
[18:36] <ScottK> Yes.
[18:38] <davmor3> ScottK: I'm looking at KNE and I'm looking at Internet.  I just showed it to my wife for confirmation and it's not obvious unless you use KDE which is the actual browser
[18:39] <ScottK> davmor3: I agree the internet section is a bit of a confusing mess.  Given the rudimentary nature of the app picker at this point, I don't think we can do anything about it.
[18:40] <davmor3> ScottK: is ther no way to put the apps first and the settings after, if that makes sense?
[18:40] <ScottK> Not really.
[18:41] <davmor3> :( shame
[18:41] <ScottK> Yes.  I know it will be better in KDE 4.4.  What we have now is very basic.
[18:41] <davmor3> ScottK: if I put a bug about it can you wishlist it?
[18:42] <ScottK> I can.
[18:42] <davmor3> np's
[18:48] <yuriy> Riddelll: there is a diff attached
[18:51] <Tonio_> Riddelll: tellico was juste released as a stable kde4 app
[18:51] <Tonio_> Riddelll: we currently have a kde3 version...
[18:51] <Tonio_> Riddelll: I think this should go with an FFE, right ?
[18:52] <ScottK> I'd say yes.
[18:52] <Riddelll> if there's no regressions
[18:53] <Tonio_> Riddelll: hard to say so...
[18:53] <Tonio_> Riddelll: but we know the status of kde3 apps (ioslaves broken and so on)
[18:54] <rgreening> Riddelll: icefox was wondering if a new release of arora would be able to get in if released next wednesday... we have a standing FFe so unless there's any other reason...
[18:54] <rgreening> Riddelll: did you check your e-mail lately also...?
[18:55] <Tonio_> rgreening: adblock included I guess ?
[18:56] <rgreening> Tonio_: yeah.
[18:56] <rgreening> Where is the release schedule for karmic anyway...
[18:56] <rgreening> hmm..
[18:56] <davmor3> ScottK: bug 434791 wishlist away ;) many thanks
[18:57]  * rgreening reviews... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule
[18:58] <rgreening> ScottK: beta freeze is the 24th... does that mean we cannot upload between beta freeze and release?
[19:04] <Riddelll> rgreening: beta is next thursday but after that should be OK
[19:12] <rgreening> Riddelll: ok. cool. I'll let icefox know.
[19:15] <rgreening> Riddelll: get my reply email ?
[19:16] <Riddelll> yes thanks rgreening
[19:16]  * rgreening can't wait to see what texas beef is like :)  big 1-2 inch steak
[19:16] <rgreening> cool
[19:17] <Riddelll> this'll be another UDS where I'll order a starter and won't be able to finish it
[19:17] <rgreening> hahhahah
[19:18] <rgreening> Riddelll: I'll remember to eat light so I can clean up your left overs then
[19:18] <rgreening> :P
[19:18]  * rgreening wonders if I should bring my fedora
[19:18] <rgreening> not the os... the hat :P
[19:19] <rgreening> *whew*
[19:24] <Riddelll> I might being my Gentoo
[19:24] <Riddelll> pet penguin of course
[19:27] <rgreening> lol
[19:27]  * rgreening enjoyed working with gentoo
[19:28] <skreech> Mooo
[19:37] <ScottK> rgreening: For Main, only to fix Beta milestone blockers.
[21:38] <yuriy> shtylman: i guess bug 434858 is for you
[21:56] <nixternal> Nightrose: grr on these docs I am doing for that company...I am not exactly enthused with how they want them
[21:56] <Nightrose> meh
[22:00] <_Groo_> Nightrose: hi Nightrose
[22:01] <_Groo_> Nightrose: are you guys planning to add replaygain to xine-backend or inside amarok for xine-backend? right now i have equalizer for xine but no replagain, and replaygain for gstreamer but no  equalizer, lol
[22:01] <Tonio__> neversfelde: amarok won't install here... the issue is weird... have an explanation to this : http://pastebin.ca/1575722
[22:01] <Tonio__> I must say I don't understand...
[22:02] <Nightrose> _Groo_: no idea what the plans are for that sorry
[22:03] <Tonio_> any other person that has an idea is free to help :)
[22:14] <Tonio_> hum right, that's due to latest taglib... let's wait for amarok then...
[22:22] <neversfelde> Tonio_: it needs taglib 1.6, I build it with the packages from Riddelll's ppa
[22:27] <maco> choosing suspend from the battery applet locks screen instead of suspending. boo.
[22:35]  * claydoh is facing the worlds longest fsck :( on his backup device no less
[22:35] <Tonio_> neversfelde: yup seen that
[22:42] <neversfelde> Tonio_: do you have new syncmal packages for Akonadi?
[22:42] <neversfelde> -a
[22:54] <Tonio_> neversfelde: nope, still no commits on the svn...
[22:54] <Tonio_> neversfelde: unless there is another source I don't know of :)
[22:55] <neversfelde> Tonio_: I read a blog post about it, it is from beginning of August, but I am not sure, if I asked you before about it
[23:10] <Tonio_> neversfelde: I did too, basically it works as a syncml server
[23:10] <Tonio_> neversfelde: the client part if broken
[23:10] <Tonio_> neversfelde: you can test from my ppa
[23:34] <shtylman> yuriy: goodie...I love 3rd party OO bugs! /sarcasm :)
[23:38] <neversfelde> mhh, I cannot set a bug to wont fix
[23:38] <neversfelde> bug #434617
[23:38] <neversfelde> I promised it there :)
[23:38] <neversfelde> would somebody do it?
[23:40] <JontheEchinda> won't fix'd
[23:40] <neversfelde> mhh
[23:41] <neversfelde> JontheEchinda: Thank you
[23:41] <neversfelde> I could not find the option, probably a problam with launchpad beta
[23:41] <neversfelde> now it is there, but I cannot use it
[23:42] <JontheEchinda> only MOTUs and Bugsquad members have won't fix permissions
[23:43] <neversfelde> ah ok
[23:43] <Riddelll> sometimes it would be nice if launchpad was more transparent about permissions like that
[23:44] <neversfelde> yes, what are the requirements to join bugsquad?
[23:44] <shtylman> Riddelll: no...we have been back and forth about that damn slideshow and how to merge it...
[23:45] <Riddelll> shtylman: what's the issue?
[23:46] <shtylman> basically being indecisive about how to have the two code bases co-exist
[23:46] <shtylman> I will poke dylan and evan again tonight
[23:47] <JontheEchinda> neversfelde: actually, it's the bugcontrol team, not the bugsquad: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl
[23:48] <neversfelde> JontheEchinda: thanks
[23:48] <neversfelde> Ubuntu is sometimes confusing
[23:48]  * a|wen got motu faster than his application for bug control was approved...
[23:50] <neversfelde> I guess I need a MOTU Mentor, I would like to work together with an experienced ninja. Any volunteers? :)
[23:50] <a|wen> how do you know which mime-type a certain type of files will appear as? any way to find possible mimetypes?
[23:50] <neversfelde> I am not a totally beginner anymore, so the job should be not so difficult, I hope
[23:51] <maco> a|wen: type "file foo.txt"
[23:51] <a|wen> well, basically i can't find any file of that type to test against :)
[23:51] <maco> oh. download one?
[23:51] <a|wen> anyone has a .bin cd image laying around
[23:52] <maco> i know haskell files are misidentified as java files due to starting with "import"
[23:52] <a|wen> neversfelde: iirc your packaging is becoming pretty good :)
[23:55] <neversfelde> a|wen: so you are the volunteer? :)
[23:56] <ScottK> neversfelde: I'm glad to answer questions as you have them, but am not up to committing to being a dedicated mentor.
[23:57] <ScottK> Since when did newegg have a "Home and Garden" section?
[23:57] <shtylman> ScottK: wtf?
[23:57] <ScottK> shtylman: http://www.newegg.com/Store/Appliance.aspx?name=Home-Garden
[23:58] <shtylman> wow
[23:58] <neversfelde> ScottK: thanks, I would like to apply for MOTU, but I am not in a hurry with that. I guess I need some hints about that process in the future.
[23:58] <ScottK> shtylman: OK.  So it's not just me.
[23:59] <shtylman> no...I do find that strange...
[23:59] <ScottK> neversfelde: OK.  My experience is that when you are ready, people will tell you.


[06:49] <dholbach> good morning
[07:24] <SilverLion> morning
[11:37] <risotto> in case my message was missed before, http://fridge.ubuntu.com/wp-admin/post.php?post=4791&action=edit is ready to be reviewed/published
[13:32] <akgraner> risotto, there are some questions still - what email address can I send comments too?
[13:33] <akgraner> While I can ask you here  - it would be easier for me to send you comments etc in editors formating etc
[18:17] <SilverLion> hi everyone
[18:54] <nlsthzn> Hey SilverLion :)
[18:54] <nlsthzn> ooh a bit late on the hello
[20:26] <SilverLion> cprofitt: hey there
[20:26] <cprofitt> hey SilverLion
[20:27] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha cprofitt ! ^_^
[20:27] <SilverLion> cprofitt: just wanted to thank you again for your support ;) finally found a home now with Ronnie Tucker ;)
[20:28] <cprofitt> ?
[20:28] <cprofitt> Ronnie Tucker?
[20:28] <SilverLion> cprofitt: http://fullcirclemagazine.org
[20:30] <cprofitt> I am still not following SilverLion ...
[20:30] <SilverLion> cprofitt: last time we talked I was a little unhappy in this community
[20:30] <cprofitt> ah...
[20:30] <SilverLion> and in the meantime i pretty much grew together with Ronnie Tucker and have to create the epub (mobile) version of the Magazine now
[20:31]  * cprofitt nods
[20:31] <cprofitt> I think I understand now... great to hear
[20:31] <MrChrisDruif> cprofitt; how's it going?
[20:35] <akgraner> whoa  - cprofitt's in da house!
[20:36] <SilverLion> akgraner: the Lion is too ;)
[20:36] <akgraner> :-) but sadly I still have 3 more things to write before my day ends
[20:36] <akgraner> then I can transition to Ubuntu stuff for the remained of the day
[20:36] <akgraner> :-)
[20:37] <akgraner> bbiab
[20:40] <MrChrisDruif> See ya later akgraner ^_^
[20:41] <MrChrisDruif> cprofitt; I don't know if you remembered, but months ago you withheld your testimonial for when I was finally going for Ubuntu Member. I'm up for tomorrow night! ^_^
[20:45] <cprofitt> MrChrisDruif: I withheld?
[20:45] <cprofitt> wiki link?
[20:45] <MrChrisDruif> Well, withheld or wasn't going to write one
[20:45] <MrChrisDruif> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MrChrisDruif/Testimonials
[20:48] <Unit193> MrChrisDruif: I'll be there, as you know, so I'll do mine there.
[20:49]  * MrChrisDruif can't remember if I did yours! O_O
[20:50] <cprofitt> all done MrChrisDruif
[20:50] <MrChrisDruif> Thanks cprofitt
[20:50] <MrChrisDruif> ^_^


[05:52] <Calismoonelf> Help?
[05:54] <diogenes_> maybe?
[05:55] <Calismoonelf> Just upgraded to 17.10 via update manager
[05:55] <Calismoonelf> I have LAN, but not internet.
[05:56] <Calismoonelf> Router is fine, other boxen work fine.
[05:56] <diogenes_> you mean you have no wifi?
[05:57] <Calismoonelf> I am using wifi right now to remote into another box to use the browse on it.
[05:57] <Calismoonelf> I can connect to internal IP addresses.
[05:57] <Calismoonelf> it seems that I cannot resolve a name.
[06:00] <Calismoonelf> I can ping eternal IPs bt not names.
[06:00] <Calismoonelf> *external
[06:01] <diogenes_> Calismoonelf, sorry I've never had that issue, maybe try asking in /j #ubuntu
[06:02] <alkisg> That means your DNS isn't working
[06:03] <Calismoonelf> alkisg: yes, but why? LOL
[06:04] <diogenes_> maybe reboot the router and also do a sudo service NetworkManager restart
[06:04] <Calismoonelf> I have done both
[06:04] <alkisg> Calismoonelf: maybe the change from the *&(* internal dnsmasq to netplan
[06:13] <Calismoonelf> thanks, will try to figure that angle.
[06:19] <alkisg> Calismoonelf: you can manually edit /etc/resolv.conf and add nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> there to bypass it temporarily
[06:49] <swift110> hey all
[06:49] <alkisg> Hello
[06:49] <swift110> how are you alkisg
[06:49] <alkisg> All fine :)
[06:49] <swift110> good to hear what are you up to
[11:26] <Andrzej> hi, yesterday I did upgrade to 17.10. Everything runs great apart from DNSes which I fixed but I don't see this famous brisk menu. Why?
[11:28] <swift110> hey
[11:32] <Andrzej> hi
[12:04] <alexandru-petric> hello
[12:05] <alexandru-petric> I have Ubuntu Mate 16.04 LTS and Ralink RT3290, i installed driver for bluetooth to work, but not work to connect
[12:05] <alexandru-petric> sorry for my bad english
[12:06] <alexandru-petric> not want to pair
[12:06] <alexandru-petric> Failed to connect: org.bluez.Error.Failed
[15:35] <mate|8108-Brazil> boa tarde...
[15:35] <mate|8108-Brazil> alguém fala português ai ?
[18:27] <lucaspaz> hol
[18:27] <lucaspaz> hola a todos. soy lucas paz, y soy nuevo en el mundo linux
[18:27] <lucaspaz> quiero saber como hago para instalar xampp en mi linux mate
[18:28] <sixwheeledbeast> !es
[18:40] <mate|80466> hello, after updating 16.04 to 17.10 once the PC turn on arrive on the desktop nothing moves keyboard mouse
[18:48] <alkisg> mate|80466: can you try with a different kernel from the grub menu?
[19:00] <mate|80466> how to do alkisg
[19:03] <sixwheeledbeast> hold shift on boot to get select menu
[20:20] <mate|57645> hello
[21:04] <khangeek> Hi
[21:06] <khangeek> Khan from where are u
[21:07] <Khan> Hello there, Canary Islands
[21:07] <khangeek> You are a Pakistani?
[21:07] <Khan> why would I?
[21:08] <khangeek> Your name says Khan
[21:08] <khangeek> Don't mind though
[21:09] <Khan> oh, that must be just a coincidence. I didn't chooose the nick because of my origins or something like that :)
[21:09] <khangeek> Okay so an Urdu speaking guy?
[21:10] <khangeek> I have had enough bugs with  ubuntu 17.10
[21:10] <khangeek> Is mate stable enough
[21:15] <khangeek> Will you reply
[21:15] <khangeek> Khan
[21:18] <Khan> I haven't had any problems so far
[21:24] <khangeek> Khan you are an Asian? I am just wondering as only asian people have Khans in their names
[22:19] <krismaguire> !info vnstat


[04:02] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Laura Czajkowski] UDS-P Day 1 - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/11/01/uds-p-day-1/
[08:52] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:52] <Myrtti> moin
[08:57] <NET||abuse> hey guys.. ubuntu 11.10, can't find padevchooser
[08:57] <NET||abuse> doesn't seem to be in repos
[08:57] <NET||abuse> anyone know if it's been bundled into something else?
[08:58] <NET||abuse> online manpages seems to think it should exist under oneiric
[08:58] <NET||abuse> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/oneiric/man1/padevchooser.1.html
[08:58] <NET||abuse> but it's not showing up for me
[08:58] <MooDoo> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+package/padevchooser
[08:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> info !padevchooser
[08:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> !info padevchooser
[08:58] <lubotu3`> padevchooser (source: padevchooser): PulseAudio Device Chooser. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.3-2ubuntu4 (natty), package size 19 kB, installed size 132 kB
[08:59] <NET||abuse> maybe my sources aren't fully setup?
[08:59] <NET||abuse> nope, seems i have universe and multiverse
[08:59] <NET||abuse> but that's a natty entry
[09:05] <DJones> NET||abuse: Doesn't show up at all in a packages search for 11.10
[09:06] <DJones> NET||abuse: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/padevchooser/+bug/851695
[09:06] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 851695 in padevchooser (Ubuntu) "padevchooser is missing in Ubuntu 11.10" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[09:06] <DJones> NET||abuse: It was unmaintained and has been replaced by pavucontrol
[09:07] <DJones> But then people have commented that its not a full replacement and the bug seems to be open and confirmed now
[09:12] <NET||abuse> hmm, so can i stream my music from my no-speaker desktop to my laptop headphones easily wit pavucontrol?
[09:14] <NET||abuse> seems not
[09:16] <DJones> Looks like you'll have to keep an eye on that bug
[09:18] <bigcalm> Hiya peeps :)
[09:20] <AlanBell> !info gedit
[09:21] <lubotu3`> gedit (source: gedit): official text editor of the GNOME desktop environment. In component main, is optional. Version 2.30.4-2ubuntu1 (natty), package size 515 kB, installed size 1860 kB
[09:21] <AlanBell> hmm, bot thinks it should be returning natty info
[09:22] <NET||abuse> AlanBell: no, just the last change to the package was in May for natty
[09:22] <NET||abuse> well, possibly it just has that as the last record?
[09:22] <NET||abuse> !info subversion
[09:22] <lubotu3`> subversion (source: subversion): Advanced version control system. In component main, is optional. Version 1.6.12dfsg-4ubuntu2.1 (natty), package size 275 kB, installed size 1148 kB
[09:22] <ali1234> this happens every time
[09:22] <NET||abuse> or not,, :)
[09:22] <AlanBell> NET||abuse: yeah, separate issue, the bot should be pointing at oneiric
[09:22] <NET||abuse> gotcha, i see now
[09:22] <ali1234> if you go into #ubuntu+1 you get oneiric packages
[09:22] <ali1234> at least you would do if it was open
[09:23] <AlanBell> the lubottus have not been updated, will get that sorted
[09:23] <AlanBell> ubottu has been, someone forgot the loco bots
[09:23] <DJones> AlanBell: I thought +1 had been left open this time
[09:23] <AlanBell> +1 should be looking at precise now
[09:24] <DJones> I guess it should be
[09:24] <AlanBell> normally they just redirect to #ubuntu for a week or so to clear out people just interested in betas
[09:25] <AlanBell> then open up for alpha level breakages
[09:26] <Twinkletoes> When using dpkg to install a .deb downloaded from a vendor (in this case, OpenVPN), and it needs dependencies, can dpkg do this for you or is it a manual install for each one using apt?
[09:30] <awilkins> Twinkletoes, I think you can install it using dpkg, then do an apt-get install -f to fix missing pacakges
[09:30] <dwatkins> apt-get -f install
[09:30] <awilkins> Or that
[09:30] <Twinkletoes> Aha... thank yu - sounds like a good idea
[09:30] <Twinkletoes> I know what you mean
[09:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hmm - My google reader seems to have lost it's tags
[09:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> s/its
[09:40] <daubers> Morning
[09:43]  * smittix is getting frustrated
[09:43] <smittix> Can't even create a button with quickly-create
[09:43] <smittix> heh
[09:45] <mattt> morning morning
[09:45] <MooDoo> morning
[09:47] <daubers> smittix: Using quickly design?
[09:47] <daubers> Will run up glade for gui editing
[09:48] <smittix> Yeah I have added a button its the coding side of things
[09:48] <smittix> Keep getting 'expected handler 'on_button1_clicked'
[09:50] <daubers> So you haven't written an on_button1_clicked method yet?
[09:50] <kirrus> Please tell me I'm not the only one thinking Google broke a perfectly-working reader? :(
[09:51] <MooDoo> kirrus: think TheOpenSourcerer has an issue as well
[09:52] <Myrtti> other than not finding the promised +1 button in the new reader, I don't really have a problem with it
[09:56] <kirrus> I always read full item content, can't find a way to turn it back on
[09:56] <kirrus> At this rate I'm just gunna have to setup a planet..
[09:56] <JamesTait> Goooood mooooorning all! :D
[09:57] <Myrtti> oh man
[09:57] <kirrus> JamesTait: you're rather exuberant this grey morning :)
[09:57] <Myrtti> I'm so demotivated
[09:57] <Myrtti> well, feeling demotivated
[09:58] <smittix> daubers: the code I have written is def on_button1_clicked(self, widget, data=None): print "OPEN"
[09:59] <JamesTait> Myrtti: How come? Would a hug help?
[09:59] <Myrtti> JamesTait: flying from UK to Finland basically just to go say hi to jobcentre ladies and to hear "because Nokia" is a bit demotivating. Also the weather is dull and depressing
[10:00] <daubers> smittix: Can you pastebin that whole file?
[10:00] <smittix> will do
[10:01] <smittix> daubers: http://pastebin.com/di7i1VyM
[10:02] <bigcalm> Read that as "whole file system"
[10:02] <daubers> smittix: It needs to be part of the class (i.e. it needs indenting one more) :)
[10:04] <smittix> daubers: heh thanks.
[10:04] <smittix> What a dumbass.
[10:04] <JamesTait> Myrtti: I also struggle with the weather at this time of the year.  This pleases me in a geeky way
[10:13] <czajkowski> tonytiger: tis ok you still have an action item :)
[10:16] <tonytiger> "great"
[10:18] <czajkowski> tonytiger: no no you need to say Thaaaat's Great like the realy kellogs Tiger
[10:19] <czajkowski> <---- maybe a slightly sleep deprivied
[10:19] <tonytiger> :)
[10:19] <tonytiger> Yeah, you're making more sense than normal
[10:20] <bigcalm> Bwuhaha
[10:20] <czajkowski> :/
[10:20]  * bigcalm hugs czajkowski
[10:20]  * MooDoo hugs bigcalm hugging czajkowski
[10:21] <czajkowski> we had to explain the concet of poking and prodding and naughty step last night to people
[10:21] <czajkowski> dear gods they think it's entertaining
[10:21] <MooDoo> pmsl
[10:21]  * JamesTait was born on the 255th day of the year (256th in leap years).
[10:22] <bigcalm> Haha
[10:22] <bigcalm> czajkowski: it is :)
[10:22]  * MooDoo was born on the 15 April 1972 as was my wife, son was born 10 09 08 and daughter was born 10 09 11 :)  4 family members 2 birthdays!
[10:23] <bigcalm> MooDoo: and just as expensive
[10:23] <JamesTait> MooDoo: Wow, now that took some planning.  Hence my two boys' birthdays are within the same week in November.
[10:25] <MooDoo> hehe
[10:25] <MooDoo> just think it's cool we have birthdays on the same day :)
[10:26] <JamesTait> MooDoo: Extremely cool.
[10:29] <bigcalm> I like to forget my own b'day
[10:29] <MooDoo> bigcalm: i'm forgetting mine next year
[10:29] <JamesTait> bigcalm: At least I have something do deflect the attention every fourth year.  MooDoo has no excuse. ;)
[10:30] <bigcalm> MooDoo: Hayley and I are off to Ireland for her 40th nexy year
[10:30] <bigcalm> Really should save up a little more for it
[10:30] <MooDoo> bigcalm: nice :)
[10:31] <MooDoo> bigcalm: i'm hoping to go see les Mis in london but little un might be a bit too young to leave with people
[10:31] <bigcalm> Aww
[10:31] <czajkowski> bigcalm: what parts?
[10:31] <czajkowski> that has a massive effect on spending
[10:31] <czajkowski> avoidnd dublin gives you more to spend elsewhere
[10:31] <czajkowski> going oto dublin very costly
[10:32] <bigcalm> czajkowski: we still haven't decided fully. Though we both want to see the Giant's Causeway
[10:32] <czajkowski> oh up in NI
[10:32] <MooDoo> i might take bec to dublin for the weekend soon
[10:32] <bigcalm> Yes, but we're not limiting outselves to IRE or NI
[10:34] <bigcalm> czajkowski: I think that the G'sC is the only thing that we've both decided upon so far. Everything else is an option :)
[10:34] <czajkowski> bigcalm: cool, so at present you;'re going to NI not Ire :)
[10:35] <czajkowski> MooDoo: dpending o where you are, you can fly into galway/knock or shannon and see west cost a lot prettier if you want a weekend away and see some sights
[10:35] <smittix> does anyone know how to open the startup applications app from the terminal?
[10:35] <czajkowski> head to Galway sooo pretty
[10:36] <bigcalm> czajkowski: in the past you have nit-picked about me saying NI rather than just Ireland
[10:37] <czajkowski> no I always say there is a differrenciation, I will say I'm from ie, but I dont go to NI  it's when people say am I from the south of Ireland I nit pit
[10:37] <tonytiger> czajkowski: how long till stuff starts over there?
[10:38] <czajkowski> breakine start now
[10:38] <czajkowski> sessions kick off aat 9
[10:38] <czajkowski> leadershummit this afternoon will be interesting
[10:38] <czajkowski> *leadership summit
[10:38] <tonytiger> So it's what time there now?
[10:38] <czajkowski> tonytiger: 6:38
[10:38] <mattt> czajkowski: what do you do within ubuntu?
[10:38] <AlanBell> 9 is 1pm here
[10:38] <czajkowski> been up since 5
[10:39] <bigcalm> mattt: she just abuses their employees
[10:39] <czajkowski> mattt: I'm on the Ubuntu LocOc council EMEA membership board and the community council, I do Ubuntu advoacy and a lot of usability testing lately
[10:39] <tonytiger> OK so two and a bit hours to go
[10:39] <czajkowski> I also tend to rant a a lot
[10:39] <czajkowski> mostly about rugby :)
[10:40] <MooDoo> mattt: you don't know who czajkowski is?  shame on you ;)
[10:40] <MooDoo> mattt: czajkowski does indeed rant....;)
[10:40] <mattt> czajkowski: thank goodness you're not english, or the ranting would be never-ending
[10:40] <czajkowski> we're going to  have another loco council session as yesterdays was really good but we ran out of time
[10:40] <mattt> MooDoo: vaguely :)
[10:41] <jacobw> sounds interesting :)
[10:48] <bigcalm> popey is alive then
[10:48] <DJones> So it appears
[10:53] <popey> :D
[10:53] <popey> sucking internet in room
[10:53] <bigcalm> Hello popey
[10:53] <popey> hi
[10:56] <tonytiger> s/internet/.../
[10:57] <bigcalm> tonytiger's head is full of slurping noises :S
[10:58] <smittix> Can "sed" change a line in all files within a directory?
[10:58] <ali1234> yes
[11:00] <kirrus> smittix: just change sed -i 'matching regex' filename to sed -i 'matching regex' file list or *
[11:00] <smittix> ta
[11:20] <AlanBell> there is a UDS session at 2PM called "Meet with the Ubuntu Desktop Designers"
[11:20] <iclebyte> anyone found heartbeat to be unreliable?
[11:20] <bigcalm> Think it will be a busy one?
[11:21] <AlanBell> very probably
[11:21] <bigcalm> Full of angry/bewildered people?
[11:22] <iclebyte> i'm angry and bewildered
[11:22] <iclebyte> with heartbeat
[11:22] <iclebyte> and the apprentice
[11:24] <DJones> Heartbeat and The Apprentice? Sounds like too much tv :)
[11:26] <NET||abuse> Hmm , anyone use Cloudmin before?
[11:26] <NET||abuse> stuck it on a 11.10 server and all has worked out well so far.
[11:26] <NET||abuse> setting up some vm's for testing stuff here, but wanted a nice management tool
[11:27] <NET||abuse> seems relatively simple so far, anyone else got experience with it?
[11:36] <kirrus> iclebyte: Nope, never had any problems with reliability with heartbeat. It's always been rock-solid for me
[11:55] <popey> morning all!
[11:56] <bigcalm> The 2nd second awakening
[11:57] <DJones> Morning (just about)
[12:10] <Guest38501> g'day all. I have a general networking in linux question.
[12:11] <Guest38501> When I assign a static IP I lose connection to the domain and can not ping the domain server. When I use DHCP it works just fine
[12:12] <Guest38501> The DHCP server starts giving out addresses from 170 and up but the servers are int he 25 range
[12:12] <Guest38501> I need this box to be 25-40 range
[12:15] <mattt> NET||abuse: never even heard of cloudmin
[12:15] <mattt> if it's anything like webmin *puke*
[12:17] <tonytiger> Guest38501: is the domain controller on the same subnet?
[12:17] <tonytiger> Also, you will need to manually specify DNS servers on the client as well as IP address, subnet mask and gateway
[12:26] <Guest38501> The company is in the middle of a merge. My address range is <IP_ADDRESS> and theirs is <IP_ADDRESS>. Their domain controller is what we need to connect to is <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:27] <Guest38501> My OpenFire server is <IP_ADDRESS> locally but I can not ping the AD controller to get accounts
[12:27] <Guest38501> *their AD controller
[12:34] <Guest38501> I've set rosolv.conf to nameserver 192.
[12:35] <Guest38501> *<IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:35] <Guest38501> (my gateway)
[12:44] <andysimons> how many people here are at UDS?
[12:45] <MooDoo> wish i was
[13:16] <gord> Happy mailman day!
[13:16] <MooDoo> oh crap yeah, forgot abotu that
[13:25] <bigcalm> I find it rare to get any mail from mailman these days, let alone on the 1st of each month
[13:39] <smittix> Does anyone here use quickly?
[13:49] <ali1234> i used it once
[14:03] <oimon> MooDoo: ping
[14:04] <MooDoo> oimon: no one here but us chickens
[14:04] <oimon> yay
[14:04] <oimon> have a quick question sir if you have the time
[14:04] <oimon> regarding htc desire
[14:04] <MooDoo> i''ll try
[14:04] <MooDoo> ok
[14:04] <oimon> it seems i ahve S-ON
[14:04] <oimon> although i have CM7 installed
[14:04] <oimon> were you able to permanently choose S-OFF?
[14:05] <MooDoo> oimon: i'm not sure what it is.....
[14:05] <MooDoo> just reading
[14:05] <smittix> ali1234: ahh, just having problems publishing my app.
[14:05] <oimon> basically it's stopping me frmo upgrading clockworkmod recovery
[14:05] <oimon> which i need before upgrading CM70.3.->7.1.0
[14:05] <MooDoo> yeah i'm just going to reboto mine and have a look
[14:05] <ali1234> smittix: publishing?
[14:06] <oimon> MooDoo: i thought you updated CM regualrly?
[14:06] <Myrtti> quick question, what's the VAT in UK at the moment?
[14:06] <smittix> ali1234: Uploading to my ppa
[14:06] <MooDoo> oimon: i normally do use the daily build, but just upload the zip to my phone and use the rom manager
[14:07] <oimon> yeah, even that isn't working for moi
[14:07] <Myrtti> 20
[14:07] <Myrtti> ok.
[14:08] <Oli> Yeah 20%. Just smashing.
[14:08] <MooDoo> oimon: i'm not sure then, i'll have a read and see if i can find anything
[14:08] <oimon> ah, don't worry , i'll try running unrevoked again
[14:08] <MooDoo> ok sorry
[14:08] <oimon> np
[14:08] <oimon> :D
[14:09] <Myrtti> I can't fathom why this site displays engagement prices with £XXXX+VAT. Surely it's a b2c sales and nobody buys engagement rings without paying VAT?!?!?!
[14:09] <Myrtti> baffling
[14:10] <NET||abuse> hmm, looking at new phone on contract, Samsung Galaxy SII or HTC Sensation?
[14:10] <oimon> both are nice
[14:10] <NET||abuse> does anyone know if they've had any issues with mounting the Samsung filesystem?
[14:10] <Dave2> in what way?
[14:11] <tonytiger> Myrtti: maybe some people buy and resell them..? Dunno, sounds odd to me!
[14:11] <NET||abuse> i've heard the first galaxy S  use  Robust FAT File System
[14:12] <Myrtti> tonytiger: I suppose, it still doesn't make any sense to me. Weird as hell.
[14:12] <Dave2> well, I've had no problems mounting my SII
[14:12] <NET||abuse> cool, ok good to hear
[14:12] <NET||abuse> oh, then i see this... http://androidforums.com/samsung-galaxy-s2-international/313715-samsung-galaxy-s-2s-filesystem-confirmed-ext4-d.html
[14:17] <Dave2> The root's ext4, the USB mass storage is vfat
[14:17] <Dave2> at least, this is what `mount` tells me
[14:18] <dwatkins> Are you connecting to it with a USB cable, or have you placed the SD card in an adapter, Dave2?
[14:18] <Dave2> I don't have an SD card.
[14:18] <Dave2> this is the internal storage
[14:27] <NET||abuse> Dave2: who'd you get the phone with? O2, vodafone? here in uK?
[14:27] <Dave2> O2.
[14:27] <NET||abuse> wondering what the internal storage is.
[14:27] <NET||abuse> some specs say 16GB internal
[14:27] <Dave2> I got it when it was free on a £27/month contract.
[14:27] <Dave2> It's 16GB internal, 12GB available as USB mass storage IIRC.
[14:28] <Dave2> It's also got a microSD slot.
[14:28] <NET||abuse> yeh, i'm looking at vodafone free on 30/month
[14:28] <NET||abuse> Dave2: application space?
[14:28] <NET||abuse> i'm on an old Desire, and it sucks, i can barely install 10 apps before it overloads
[14:28] <NET||abuse> I had to uninstall google+ and flash to get it working again 2 weeks ago
[14:29] <NET||abuse> Dave2: so is that 12GB free for apps? or is only the 4GB (which is stil way more than the Desire :P)
[14:29] <Dave2> You can move apps to the SD card, I think.
[14:30] <Dave2> With the "SD card" in this case being the 12GB of internal space.
[14:30] <NET||abuse> yeh, i did that as much as possible, but alot of them still won't uninstall their bulk from main memory
[14:37] <NET||abuse> the HTC Sensation only seems to have the 1GB internal... i think that makes the decision for me.
[14:37] <NET||abuse> samsung it is, bigger battery, super amoled screen,
[14:37] <NET||abuse> they're winning it for me.
[14:38] <NET||abuse> i like htc for the physical build though, i think the sensation looks prettier
[14:39] <Azelphur> anyone recommend a cheap ubuntu compatible scanner?
[14:39] <Azelphur> doesn't need to be super hd or last very long
[14:41] <gord> HP
[14:44] <NET||abuse> svn st
[14:44] <NET||abuse> oops, sorry
[14:45] <AlanBell> Azelphur: you might find a multi-functional device is cheaper than a scanner
[14:46] <Azelphur> yea I was just thinking a printer/scanner might come in handy
[14:46] <AlanBell> so you get a scanner with feeder, and a printer as well
[14:47] <Azelphur> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hewlett-Packard-DeskJet-F4180-All-In-One-InkJet-Scanner-Printer-/180747501508?pt=UK_CamerasPhoto_Printers_Printers_JN&hash=item2a1563ffc4#ht_500wt_1156 maybe this? :)
[14:47] <Azelphur> ubuntu wiki says it's known to work :D
[14:48] <Azelphur> and google shopping puts the ink at about 5 quid, so think that might do the job
[14:51] <AlanBell> Azelphur: sheet feeder is nice though
[14:51] <Azelphur> sheet feeder?
[14:51] <AlanBell> http://www.ebay.co.uk/ctg/Hewlett-Packard-4500-All-In-One-InkJet-Printer-/97476091?_dmpt=UK_CamerasPhoto_Printers_Printers_JN&_pcategid=171962&_pcatid=561&_trkparms=65%253A12%257C66%253A2%257C39%253A1%257C72%253A5251&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
[14:51] <AlanBell> put in a stack of paper and simple-scan pulls them all in and makes a PDF of the lot
[14:52] <AlanBell> if you don't want to do that then fine, but now is the time to decide :)
[14:53] <Azelphur> AlanBell: nah I don't particularly, I very rarely print or scan, probably a couple times in a year
[14:53] <Azelphur> no point in spending an extra 40 quid speeding the process up
[14:53] <AlanBell> yup
[14:53] <Azelphur> just that for 15 quid there ain't much point in going to the shop and paying like £2 for it, when I could do it from the comfort of my home \o/
[14:54] <Azelphur> righto then, I shall go for the F4180 I guess
[14:55] <Azelphur> I believe I've checked most of the common pitfalls, ubuntu wiki says it's supported and the inks seem to be around £5
[15:02] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Leadership @ UDS - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/11/01/leadership-uds/
[15:03] <oimon> MooDoo: fyi i found something called revolution.io . my hboot was too new for unrevoked :-S
[15:09] <KrisDouglas> Hello, has anyone else noticed if you start typing the name of a file in nautilus and delete some of the text, it moves back through the folders, using backspace as a nav button
[15:09] <KrisDouglas> wow that is terribly written
[15:11] <KrisDouglas> What I mean to say, is when you delete text from the "start typing search", it navigates back through the folders instead of deleting...
[15:12] <MooDoo> thanks oimon
[15:14] <ali12341> i haven't noticed it but it doesn't really surprise me
[15:14]  * oimon has spent too long fannying around with his phone today
[15:17] <theashman> Hi. How can I set a directory so that all files created under it inherit it's permissions?
[15:18] <MooDoo> oimon: get some work done :)
[15:19] <oimon> yes dad
[15:19] <MooDoo> hehe
[15:21] <BigRedS> theashman: use the setuid and setgid bits
[15:22] <BigRedS> if you check docs for each, you'll get a better explanation than I can manage :)
[15:22] <BigRedS> oh. those'll let it inherit its ownership, not permissions.
[15:23] <BigRedS> for permissions you need to check umasks, but those are per-process rather than per-directory
[15:23] <theashman> ahh
[15:24] <oimon> anyone recommend a place to buy compatible ink
[15:26] <czajkowski> http://lococouncil.ubuntu.com/2011/11/01/loco-council-oneiric-cycle-review/
[15:26]  * czajkowski waves at gord
[15:35] <gord> czajkowski, i forgot what this session was about about 15 minutes ago =\
[15:35] <czajkowski> gord: TEA BAGS
[15:35] <czajkowski> mug of hot tea curled up with a jammy dodger and being back in UK is all you can think about
[15:35]  * czajkowski stabs davmor2
[15:36] <gord> only one more day and i can go home :)
[15:36] <czajkowski> hope you're snowed in
[15:36]  * davmor2 shaves czajkowski head
[15:36] <ball> Oooh!  I should stick the kettle on.
[15:36]  * czajkowski kicks davmor2 in the shins
[15:37] <gord> found a picture of ducks though http://i.imgur.com/LPjQ5.jpg
[15:37] <ball> That's ducking excellent!
[15:44] <MooDoo> davmor2: czajkowski stop fighting or go to #naughtystep
[15:45] <Dave2> (##)
[15:45]  * Dave2 hides a bit
[15:45] <davmor2> MooDoo: I'm not fighting I'm shaving czajkowski head
[15:45] <MooDoo> davmor2: well stop picking on her and behave....
[15:46] <davmor2> MooDoo: I didn't start it :D
[15:46] <MooDoo> davmor2: czajkowski well i'm ending behave :D
[15:48] <oimon> MooDoo: did you flash your radio when upgrading to cm7.1?
[15:49] <MooDoo> oimon: not that i'm aware of.  i did read somewhere i should of but i don't use radio
[15:49] <MooDoo> so i didn't
[15:49] <oimon> it's not for radio though
[15:49] <bigcalm> MooDoo: if you use wifi or 3g, then you do
[15:49] <oimon> controls main functions of the phone
[15:49] <MooDoo> hmmmmmm
[15:49] <MooDoo> as you can see i just plowed into it and didn't take any notice of what i should be doing :D)
[15:50] <buzz_> sudo apt-get install sox; echo "main(t){for(t=0;;t++)putchar((t>>6|t|t>>(t>>16))*10+((t>>11)&7));}" >m1.c; make m1; ./m1 | play -c 1 -b 8 -u -r 8000 -t raw -
[15:50] <bigcalm> Heh
[15:50] <buzz_> from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtQdIYUtAHg (3 parts)
[15:50] <oimon> apparently it's a requirement for 7.1
[15:50] <MooDoo> oimon: i must of as 3g and wiress on my phone work ok
[15:51] <oimon> bluetooth?
[15:51] <MooDoo> not tried that
[15:51] <oimon> hehe
[15:51] <MooDoo> one sec
[15:51] <oimon> don't ;)
[15:52] <oimon> there's no all-encompassing wiki page for this stuff :(
[15:52] <bigcalm> I found that I had to install the bt file transfer app to be able to connect to my car's bt. Without it, you don't have an option of what pin number is used when pairing
[15:52] <bigcalm> It worked when I had stock on the phone. I guess CM changed the default pin used from 1234 to 0000
[15:53] <oimon> ah, i might have that prob too
[15:54] <bigcalm> Since getting it connected, it works perfectly :)
[15:55] <oimon> bigcalm: what phone u have?
[15:55] <oimon> i can't find a safe site to tell me which radio to update to
[15:56] <bigcalm> oimon: Nexus One
[16:00]  * daubers makes some coffee
[16:01] <bigcalm> Where the flip are British Gas?
[16:02] <davmor2> MooDoo: no come over here and make us :P
[16:02] <daubers> bigcalm: Having a brew?
[16:03] <DJones> bigcalm: Probably in manchester dealing with a burst water main that flooded the gas pipes, local radio has been talking about it for the last week, residents have been withough gas for about a week
[16:03] <MooDoo> davmor2: i wish i bloody could young man, czajkowski punch him for me will you :D
[16:05] <bigcalm> DJones: :(
[16:06] <davmor2> MooDoo: :P you wouldn't like the rain honest :D
[16:07] <MooDoo> davmor2: i'd get the wettest me being tall and all that :D
[16:14] <mfraz74> Just done an update and I'm getting this http://paste.ubuntu.com/725456/
[16:17] <MooDoo> tried apt-get -f install to install files that it's missing?
[16:17] <mfraz74> MooDoo: I've tried that, looks like it could be this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/833841
[16:17] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 833841 in mesa (Ubuntu) "libgl1-mesa-glx alternative link" [Undecided,Invalid]
[16:18] <oimon> MooDoo: i decided that my radio version was new enough
[16:18] <MooDoo> mfraz74: you going to try #5?
[16:19] <mfraz74> MooDoo: that's what i'm doing now
[16:19] <mfraz74> odd that i've never come across it before
[16:39]  * bigcalm demands British Gas!
[16:42]  * BigRedS produces some
[16:42]  * bigcalm cracks a window
[16:43] <NET||abuse> hmm, last mobile question i swear,, any reason to go with vodafone or O2 over the other?
[16:43] <Azelphur> NET||abuse: depends what your after
[16:43] <bigcalm> The both do nice television adverts
[16:43] <NET||abuse> both are offering ~£35 / month with free galaxy sII, so that's all well and good
[16:43] <bigcalm> I like the bees
[16:44] <NET||abuse> netowrk wise i suppose, data speed
[16:44] <NET||abuse> secondarily call quality.
[16:44] <DJones> Which one has the best reception in your area
[16:44] <bigcalm> T-Mobile and Orange will give you the greatest UK coverage
[16:44] <NET||abuse> my cousin has moved to vodafone and swears he found it better the last year.
[16:45] <NET||abuse> hmm,
[16:45] <mfraz74> Orange coverage is patchy around here
[16:45] <bigcalm> So you want the sII rather than waiting for the Nexus?
[16:45] <NET||abuse> one other reason is that vodafone and O2 are back in ireland, and i can get the addons to ring people back home too.
[16:45] <NET||abuse> bigcalm: how long for nexus?
[16:45] <bigcalm> Some time this month apparently.
[16:46] <NET||abuse> bigcalm: i've just gotten to london and am in need of phone for work and various othe rthings
[16:47] <bigcalm> NET||abuse: I can't pin down a date other than this month
[16:47] <shauno> I wouldn't trust o2-uk and o2-ie to pretend they're the same company.  it's going to be international minutes either way
[16:48] <NET||abuse> nah, they aren't the same company sure, but they have a deal that my cousin uses and is free calls to named phones
[16:48] <NET||abuse> but they have to be coda-ie
[16:49] <NET||abuse> uh,, voda-ie
[16:49] <NET||abuse> i'm not sure if O2 has a similar deal, but at least there's more chance
[16:49] <NET||abuse> hmm, that's annoying,, what's better on this nexus than galaxy sII?
[16:51] <bigcalm> I hear mutterings of the 16th in the UK
[16:52] <DJones> Most review/comparison's I've read suggest that the SII was slightly better than the nexus prime
[16:52] <DJones> But not much in it
[16:52] <DJones> http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/42623/galaxy-nexus-vs-samsung-galaxy-s-2
[16:53] <bigcalm> But when will the SII get ICS?
[16:54] <DJones> Jan 12 apparanetly
[17:05] <NET||abuse> bigcalm: what's ICS?
[17:05] <MooDoo> NET||abuse: ice cream sandwich
[17:05] <NET||abuse> 3.0?
[17:05] <MooDoo> code name for the latest version of android
[17:05] <NET||abuse> or 2.4?
[17:05] <NET||abuse> it's got 2.3 preloaded yeh?
[17:05] <bigcalm> NET||abuse: 4.0
[17:05] <NET||abuse> ah,
[17:05] <NET||abuse> right, i'm behind the times.
[17:06] <MooDoo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history
[17:06] <bigcalm> 3.0 is honeycomb, used by some tablets
[17:10] <MartijnVdS> My tables has 3.2 now I think
[17:10] <MartijnVdS> tablet*
[17:11] <bigcalm> Mine has 2.3 and not very well implemented either
[17:12] <MartijnVdS> 2.3? that's the phone version right?
[17:12] <bigcalm> Yes
[17:12] <MartijnVdS> scary
[17:12]  * MartijnVdS ordered a Galaxy Nexus though \o/
[17:22] <sevist> Ïðèâåò íàðîä
[17:22] <sevist> íóæíà ïîìîùü
[17:23] <sevist> ïîäñêàæèòå êàê äîáàâèòü íàáîð ïîëèòèê, ðàçðåøàþùèõ Power Management
[17:24] <mfraz74> I'm happy with my HTC sensation :)
[17:24] <daubers> !by
[17:24] <DJones> !ru
[17:24] <lubotu3`> Пожалуйста наберите /join #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке. | Pozhalujsta naberite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke.
[17:25] <daubers> DJones: Beat me to it
[17:25] <DJones> (Belarus ip, I'm assuming russian language)
[17:27] <DJones> sevist: The uk in ubuntu-uk is for United Kingdom
[17:28] <MartijnVdS> !uk
[17:28] <lubotu3`> Join us for a discussion using the Queen's English in #ubuntu-uk
[17:41] <k3nz0> Nigga stole my bike.
[17:42] <bigcalm> :(
[17:42] <bigcalm> Why do trolls troll?
[17:43] <smittix> random
[17:43] <AlanBell> looking for attention maybe
[17:44] <smittix> or the person that stole his bike
[17:44] <bigcalm> Tsk
[17:44] <AlanBell> anyhow, anyone been following the UDS sessions?
[17:44] <smittix> I wish i could implant programming knowledge into my brain.
[17:47] <smittix> I watched the first live session
[17:48] <BigRedS> what's the name of that pub-on-a-train phenomenon?
[17:48] <AlanBell> rat
[17:49] <AlanBell> ooooh they have opened up 2012 dates
[17:49] <AlanBell> http://www.watercressonline.co.uk/section.php?xSec=191
[17:50] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: popey ^^
[17:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> :D
[17:51] <ali1234> AlanBell: how do i access UDS sessions?
[17:52] <AlanBell> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/2011-11-01/ this is the schedule for today
[17:53] <AlanBell> if you click the little pen+pad image on a session slot it will take you to a page like this http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/meeting/19587/community-roundtable-tuesday/
[17:53] <BigRedS> AlanBell: Ta!
[17:53] <AlanBell> which is a shared notepad when you log in to it (launchpad password)
[17:53] <AlanBell> and below the pad is a link to the live audio for the room, whcih you can play with vlc
[17:54] <AlanBell> to talk back to people in the room, each room has an IRC channel which is projected to the room
[17:54] <AlanBell> so for that example the IRC channel is #ubuntu-uds-bonaire3
[17:55] <AlanBell> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/meeting/19239/plenary-rackspace/ is starting now
[17:55]  * bigcalm remembers how the on stage twitter fall was abused at the last lrl :D
[17:56] <AlanBell> vlc http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/grandsierra-d.ogg.m3u will play the audio stream
[17:56] <smittix> ooh a quickly session.
[17:56] <smittix> Some of the user ideas are interesting
[17:56] <ali1234> do i have to sign in to every single meeting individually or does it remember?
[17:56] <smittix> especially push ssh and pgp.
[17:56] <AlanBell> starting here you can view the schedule by track or by day http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/
[17:57] <AlanBell> ali1234: should be a one off thing (unless you have a paranoid security setup in your browser)
[17:57] <ali1234> blah it doesn't work
[17:57] <ali1234> i have to join ubuntu-etherpad group
[17:57] <AlanBell> ok
[17:57] <AlanBell> I will approve you
[17:57] <AlanBell> most people will be members of a loco team and pre-approved
[17:58] <ali1234> i haven't even signed the CoC
[17:58] <AlanBell> you don't need to
[17:58] <bigcalm> I haven't even read the CoC
[17:58] <ali1234> ok i applied to join
[17:58]  * AlanBell already added you
[17:59] <smittix> CoC?
[17:59] <AlanBell> !coc
[17:59] <lubotu3`> The Ubuntu Code of Conduct is a community etiquette document to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere, and can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ | For information on how to electronically sign the CoC, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SigningCodeofConduct
[17:59] <smittix> ahh duh
[17:59] <smittix> Signed it today :)
[17:59] <bigcalm> AlanBell: apparently there are already a few things booked in December. Any way we can kick start this thing so we might secure some dates? :)
[17:59] <smittix> for use with quickly
[18:00] <AlanBell> smittix: ah yes, you need it for a ppa
[18:00] <AlanBell> bigcalm: the RAT you mean?
[18:00] <bigcalm> AlanBell: na, the meal
[18:00] <AlanBell> bigcalm: yes, working on that
[18:01] <bigcalm> Ok, great :)
[18:01] <bigcalm> Hayley has told me to go on my own if she is already booked for the same date. Let loose in London on my own? Oh my
[18:02] <AlanBell> ali1234: pad working now?
[18:04] <smittix> AlanBell: I'm having trouble using quickly uploading my project.
[18:05] <bigcalm> Is it well known that track changes in a word document do not show correctly in Libre Office?
[18:05] <AlanBell> smittix: with the quickly share bit?
[18:06] <smittix> AlanBell: Yeah, I don't know how to set what ppa to upload to? Can't find any information on it.
[18:07] <smittix> Looks like it auto chooses /ppa but I kind of messed up by creating a ppa called "ppa" then deleted it thinking I could recreate it
[18:07] <smittix> Which you can't, and you can't reinstate a deleted ppa :(
[18:07] <AlanBell> oops
[18:08] <AlanBell> I haven't used quickly for ages, that bit worked for me when I did it though
[18:09] <AlanBell> um, the people who can help get that fixed are going to be at UDS at the moment
[18:09] <smittix> Yeah thought so. I will try and figure it out. It will give me something to do.
[18:09] <AlanBell> I would suggest taking some names at the quickly sessions then bugging those people next week
[18:09] <popey> aquarius: seen jono?
[18:10] <smittix> All this app does at the minute is easily unhides hidden startup programs from gnome-session-properties.
[18:10] <AlanBell> Rick Spencer and didrocks are the main people I think
[18:10] <aquarius> popey, not since well before lunch
[18:17] <Myrtti> you people and your UDS
[18:18] <Myrtti> you depress me :-(
[18:18]  * bigcalm hugs Myrtti
[18:18]  * AlanBell presses Myrtti
[18:18] <bigcalm> Heh
[18:18] <Myrtti> OY
[18:19]  * AlanBell undepresses Myrtti. Better?
[18:20] <smittix> Yay got it on the project page anyway https://launchpad.net/autostart-changer
[18:20] <smittix> and messed the version number up in the process.
[18:20] <AlanBell> yay
[18:21] <smittix> Don't know if anyone else will find it usefull. It's one of the first things I head to on a new install.
[18:26] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod, prod, proddy, prod, prod, prod
[18:34] <ali1234> AlanBell: thanks
[18:39] <Oli> Wow. BBC Tech just got the news that floods in Thailand have affected manufacturing. Shameful how behind the curve they are sometimes. You'd expect somebody there to subscribe to Slashdot (who were themselves a day behind the rest)
[18:53] <AlanBell> ali1234: and anyone else not joined the launchpad team feel free to add yourself here https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk
[18:53] <AlanBell> not that it does a great deal
[18:59] <bigcalm> That's a lot of names
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> Can I turn off the "half-maximize" if I move the window to the right/left edge of the screen
[19:01] <MartijnVdS> I tend to do what with Chrome and it's almost impossible to restore the window to its previous size
[19:02] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: look in the setings of the grid plugin in ccsm
[19:02] <AlanBell> edges tab
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: running ccsm crashes Unity/compiz for me
[19:03] <AlanBell> yeah, it is delicate
[19:03] <AlanBell> ooh, you can set it to 1/4 maximise stuff
[19:03] <AlanBell> in the corners
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> ooh you can tell it to do it only on bottom corners
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> win
[19:05] <MartijnVdS> ooh it worked without crashing
[19:07] <smittix> Yeah when I change the launcher size it does nothing the first time. I have to logout and in again then change it again and it finally does it.
[19:20] <czajkowski> ohh thats laney
[19:20] <Laney> allegedly
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> Some say... ;)
[19:21] <Laney> so tempted to cowsay in the room's irc channel
[19:21] <czajkowski> face <~> name
[19:22] <Laney> :-)
[20:31] <MartijnVdS> Laney: Upstream banshee fixed "our" bug (dbus/gconf restarts)!
[20:31] <Laney> yeah i was following it
[20:31] <Laney> was a gconf bug
[20:53] <daubers> Hello
[21:07] <MattJ> Howdy daubers
[21:19] <MartijnVdS> Doctor Who & Minecraft people: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTWaa2FCq-M
[21:23] <cheekychappy> hello
[21:23] <MartijnVdS> \o
[21:24] <cheekychappy> is this working ?
[21:24] <tonytiger> yup
[21:24] <cheekychappy> cool never done this before
[21:24] <tonytiger> welcome :)
[21:24] <mattt> cheekychappy: keep your hands on the wheel
[21:25] <cheekychappy> how do i find out who i can chat to?
[21:25] <cheekychappy> private message and all that jazz
[21:26] <tonytiger> Who do you want to chat to?
[21:26] <cheekychappy> a bird with a brain
[21:27] <tonytiger> Someone in particular?
[21:27] <tonytiger> This isn't really a dating channel
[21:27] <cheekychappy> ive just turned single after 15 years and would like a nice lady to chat
[21:27] <cheekychappy> i know that
[21:28] <cheekychappy> its just a conversation
[21:29] <tonytiger> This is a channel to talk about Ubuntu software
[21:29] <mattt> lolz
[21:30] <cheekychappy> lol is it
[21:30] <bigcalm> Seems an odd channel to choose
[21:30] <cheekychappy> ooopps
[21:31] <cheekychappy> just looking for a chat with a few females my mistake
[21:31] <mattt> :/
[21:31] <mattt> would imagine freenode as a whole would be a bad destination for that
[21:31] <tonytiger> :)
[21:31] <tonytiger> Yeah
[21:31] <bigcalm> Nothing wrong with that, not sure freenode is where you'll find what you seek
[21:32] <bigcalm> tonytiger: has Laura stopped blinking?
[21:33] <bigcalm> Wouldn't want her to disappear
[21:33] <cheekychappy> ok happy chatting ta
[21:33] <bigcalm> chalcedony: good luck with your search
[21:34] <cheekychappy> lol cheers
[21:35] <bigcalm> How odd
[21:35] <dutchie> i suspect this is the "xchat joins #ubuntu-uk by default" thing again
[21:35] <bigcalm> Oh
[21:36] <Xbert> Apparmor is not showing Firefox as enforced when it running, Firefox is set to be enforced, can anyone help me?
[21:37] <mattt> dutchie: haha!
[21:42] <daubers> Why is it glue fumes smell like pink elephants?
[21:43] <bigcalm> o.O
[21:43] <bigcalm> How long have you been sniffing them for?
[21:43] <Myrtti> pink?
[21:43] <daubers> been sticking stuff together for about an hour
[21:44] <bigcalm> Myrtti: do you have pink on highlight? :)
[21:44] <Myrtti> bigcalm: yes.
[21:44] <bigcalm> Hehe, cool
[21:54] <Myrtti> oh dear god, take away this pain of new Gmail themes
[21:55] <Myrtti> I know I could revert to old gmail, but that would only postpone the pain
[21:56] <Xbert> Apparmor is not showing Firefox as enforced when it running, Firefox is set to be enforced, can anyone help me?
[22:02] <ali1234> Myrtti: there's a version of the new theme with less whitespace
[22:07] <Myrtti> ali1234: I hate the colours
[22:07] <ali1234> but they have pink
[22:07] <Myrtti> I hate the pink one
[22:08] <ali1234> i got used to the new colours after about 2 days
[22:08] <Myrtti> Dusk is closest to what I like
[22:08] <Myrtti> the pink needs to be more gray for me to like it
[22:09] <ali1234> they've put the ads back at the top of the page, good
[22:10] <andylockran> :)
[22:10] <ali1234> on the preview they were stuck to the bottom of the window and moved when you scrolled
[22:10] <ali1234> it was really annoying