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[05:29] <RAOF> Marco: Yes.
[05:29] <Marco> why?
[05:29] <RAOF> There's a bit of thinking involved in that answer, but it ends up as "yes"
[05:30] <RAOF> Because they stomp all over system libs.
[05:30] <Marco> damn
[05:30] <Marco> I need 100.14.11
[05:30] <slavik`lap> yay, gutsy :D
[05:30] <RAOF> Hello, libGL!  Mind if I kill you dead!
[05:30] <Marco> to fix this issue of X locking up for half a second every so often
[05:30] <Marco> it's incredibly annoying
[05:31] <RAOF> Marco: Does 100.14.11 actually fix that?
[05:31] <Marco> I asked in #linux about that problem, and somebody told me they had the same problem and fixed it by installing the latest nvidia driver
[05:31] <slavik`lap> is it me or does therestricted device manager needs more work?
[05:32] <Marco> really?
[05:32] <Marco> what about?
[05:32] <RAOF> However, I'm *certain* I saw bryce having a repository with the 100 series drivers.
[05:32] <RAOF> Marco: With Compiz.
[05:33] <RAOF> Specifically, with hard-locking X anytime you wanted to switch from compiz.
[05:33] <Marco> hmm
[05:33] <Marco> that lockup is just so annoying
[05:33] <Marco> is it a known issue?
[05:34] <RAOF> Known to nvidia?  No idea.
[05:35] <Marco> it'd be nice if nvidia would open source their driver
[05:37] <Marco> what's their reason for not doing so?
[05:39] <RAOF> Because they suck.
[05:40] <RAOF> "Because the Xorg community doesn't have sufficient expertise"
[05:40] <RAOF> Because they may have patented code in there.
[05:41] <RAOF> Because then they couldn't offer more features than other Xorg drivers.
[05:43] <slavik`lap> nvidia is not as bad as ati :(
[05:43] <d4rkmonkey> intel is better!!!
[05:44] <RAOF> No need to hide!
[05:44] <Marco> intel's approach is nice
[05:44] <Marco> but intel doesn't make high end gfx cards :(
[05:44] <Marco> or even mid-end for that matter
[05:44] <slavik`lap> and intel might be the owner of that patented code
[05:44] <slavik`lap> and I found a reason why perl is better than python :D
[05:45] <slavik`lap> perl > ruby :P
[05:45] <Marco> heh, LET THE FANBOY BATTLE BEGIN
[05:45] <slavik`lap> no python binding in the purple/pidgin api :P
[05:46] <Marco> slavik`lap.lose
[05:46] <Marco> :D
[05:46] <Marco> slavik`lap, is there a ruby binding?
[05:46] <slavik`lap> it's funny that someone comes on the programming forum and is like "What are some good tutorials on C?" and everyone is like "learn python"
[05:46] <slavik`lap> Marco: no
[05:47] <Marco> I learned C as my first language
[05:47] <slavik`lap> CIL?
[05:47] <Marco> I'd recommend it
[05:47] <slavik`lap> Marco: lucky you, Qbasic was my first ...
[05:47] <Marco> C is nice for learning
[05:47] <slavik`lap> Marco: python lovers suggestpython, C++, C in that order, which is horrible IMO
[05:47] <Marco> it's very verbose and little abstraction
[05:47] <Marco> which for everyday coding sucks
[05:47] <slavik`lap> Marco: scheme is better for learning (it was created for that purpose)
[05:47] <Marco> but for learning is great
[05:48] <Marco> hmm
[05:48] <Marco> never tried scheme
[05:48] <Marco> lisp is just so weird
[05:48] <slavik`lap> (define func a b) (dostuff)
[05:48] <Marco> ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((you know?))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
[05:48] <slavik`lap> scheme is a lisp derivative :)
[05:49] <Marco> ya
[05:49] <slavik`lap> Marco: but the parser is very simple :)
[05:49] <Marco> I can imagine
[06:15] <jaime-san> how's gutsy testing going for everyone
[06:17] <benanzo> gutsy testing going just great
[06:17] <slavik`lap> not going anywhere :(, restricted driver manager needs work :P
[06:17] <benanzo> anyone running compiz on an intel chip?
[06:18] <jaime-san> i agree
[06:18] <jaime-san> compiz kinda runs for me
[06:18] <jaime-san> keeps telling me my nvidia driver is enabled
[06:18] <jaime-san> like its a bad thing
[06:19] <benanzo> I'm looking to see if the compiz video playback bug has been fixed with the new intel driver today (it didn't work for me)
[06:37] <nemik> benanzo: what bug is that? what happens? i am runnning compiz on an intel chip
[06:37] <nemik> also does anyone have a problem with mounting large nfs volumes and them timing out? it works on earlier ubuntu versions
[06:41] <se7enof9> somebody know what /dev/sr0 is...
[06:41] <se7enof9> i am on a acer aspire 5920
[06:42] <se7enof9> Sysinfo for 'AmaTaraSu': Linux 2.6.22-9-generic running KDE 3.5.7, CPU<EMAIL_ADDRESS>at 800 MHz (4000 bogomips), , RAM: 398/2026MB, 115 proc's, 35.29min up
[06:43] <allbert> os[Linux 2.6.22-9-generic i686]  distro[Debian lenny/sid]  cpu[1 x Pentium III (Coppermine) @ 798MHz]  mem[Physical : 249MB, 58.2% free]  disk[Total : 4.64GB, 33.20% Free]  video[nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro] ]  sound[]
[06:43] <slavik`lap> where does the bcm43xx firmware go in gutsy?
[06:43] <RAOF> se7enof9: Likely to be a CD drive.
[06:44] <RAOF> slavik`lap: Wherever the restricted-manager installs it to :)
[06:44] <se7enof9> ok get an error while booting
[06:44] <slavik`lap> RAOF: it don't work :( (downloads and then nothing)
[06:44] <RAOF> slavik`lap: Also, CIL == Common Intermediate Language == what mono and .NET run.
[06:44] <slavik`lap> ahh, ok
[06:44] <RAOF> slavik`lap: Ah.  Then file a bug(tm) :)
[06:45] <slavik`lap> RAOF: will, tomorrow :P
[06:45] <RAOF> :)
[06:45] <slavik`lap> RAOF: why not then use java bytecode?
[06:45] <RAOF> I'm sorry I can't help you, I don't have any non ipw experience.
[06:45] <RAOF> slavik`lap: Because it's not as flexible.
[06:45] <slavik`lap> isn't CIL same level as java bytecode?
[06:45] <Instabin> RAOF: check question in nou thne
[06:46] <slavik`lap> also, ever hear of parrot?
[06:46] <RAOF> slavik`lap: Yes, but CIL was designed to be usable for multiple languages.  Java bytecode is tied to Java.
[06:46] <slavik`lap> RAOF: no it isn't
[06:46] <RAOF> slavik`lap: That's python-on-something?
[06:46] <RAOF> Ok.  Not "tied to" java, but that's what they were thinking of when they designed it :P
[06:46] <slavik`lap> RAOF: java bytecode is as tied to java (the language) as assembly is tied to C
[06:47] <RAOF> Kinda.
[06:47] <nemik> is there any way to increase the time-out on `mount`?
[06:47] <nemik> i'm not sure why gutsy's time-out is the only one not working
[06:47] <slavik`lap> RAOF: but at least sun makes a large effort on providing a jvm for other platform, which is not the case with microsoft
[06:47] <RAOF> While you *could* compile to java bytecode, the CIL makes it easier.
[06:47] <slavik`lap> and aparently,some core .net libraries have patented code ...
[06:47] <RAOF> Not as far as the mono team knows :)
[06:47] <RAOF> Also, mono :)
[06:48] <RAOF> I don't care about .NET :)
[06:48] <slavik`lap> RAOF: that's because there weren't lawsuits yet :P
[06:48] <slavik`lap> is CIL even a standard?
[06:48] <RAOF> Yes.
[06:48] <slavik`lap> and is it the same type of standard that OOXML is?
[06:48] <RAOF> No.
[06:48] <slavik`lap> so, it's actually a well written standard?
[06:48] <RAOF> It's an implementable standard :P
[06:48] <RAOF> Yes.
[06:49] <RAOF> It's what the mono people have implemented.
[06:49] <RAOF> http://www.mono-project.com/ECMA
[06:50] <RAOF> *Mono* runs everywhere, so I don't have to care that .NET doesn't :)
[06:50] <slavik`lap> surprising ...
[06:50] <slavik`lap> RAOF: but mono != .net, so what about those .net developers?
[06:50] <RAOF> I don't care about them.
[06:50] <slavik`lap> I see
[06:51] <RAOF> If they don't want to write portable code, who am I to stop them?
[06:51] <slavik`lap> technically, the mono team can say that mono is a separate platform altogether
[06:51] <RAOF> Mono isn't meant to be a Windows compatibility layer :)
[06:51] <slavik`lap> RAOF: but they often cite mono as being ".net for nonwindows"
[06:51] <RAOF> And windows, too :)
[06:51] <slavik`lap> RAOF: I am talking about .net developers, not you :P
[06:51] <mzuverink> Trying to update to gusty from feisty, running update-manager -d  does not seem to work, is there something more I need to do?
[06:52] <RAOF> slavik`lap: And referring to .net is the easiest way to explain
[06:52] <sn9> it's only .net 2.0 that mono doesn't do yet
[06:52] <slavik`lap> RAOF: why not use perl? it's portable...
[06:52] <slavik`lap> sn9: there is .net v3 already
[06:52] <RAOF> slavik`lap: I think you're thinking of C# 3.0, no?  Although I could be wrong.
[06:53] <sn9> c# 3 mono can do, i think
[06:53] <slavik`lap> RAOF: could be, but I am pretty sure it was .net 3.0 on windows updates at work
[06:53] <sn9> well, how much software requires that as of now?
[06:55] <slavik`lap> sn9: dunno
[06:55] <RAOF> And a bunch of good mono apps :)
[06:55] <slavik`lap> it ran msinfo32 and collected information from that... took like 5 minutes for it to run ... my perl script on a mac would take 6 seconds
[06:56] <slavik`lap> novell employs the mono dev, team, no?
[06:57] <sn9> i sense a sco joke in the making...
[06:57] <slavik`lap> no
[06:57] <slavik`lap> just a point that whenever microsoft wants to be compatible with linux, for somereason it is linux that become more compatible windows, not vice versa
[06:58] <slavik`lap> mono, samba ...
[06:58] <genii> gutsy with KDE... after changing default resolution (from 1600x1200 to 1024x768), kdm login window still relatively appears as it did previously eg: now on bottom right when should be netered). Not crucial but annoying. Any fast fix for this? Delving into kdm theme file or so?
[06:58] <RAOF> Because micrsoft *never* wants to be compatible with linux :)
[06:59] <slavik`lap> RAOF: that's not what they say :P
[06:59] <genii> netered=centered
[06:59] <slavik`lap> so, where should I drop the fw files?
[06:59] <sn9> well, m$ invented ppp and dhcp
[06:59] <RAOF> Please, not M$.  Haven't you seen the penny-
[06:59] <RAOF> arcade comic?
[07:00] <genii> When Microsoft was at odds with Oracle, the saying at their hq used to be: work ain't done if oracle runs.  shows the petty mindset
[07:00] <RAOF> And MS *has* developed useful technology.
[07:01] <RAOF> genii: I thought the quote was "It ain't done until Lotus don't run".  WRT dos... 3?
[07:01] <genii> RAOF: Yeah that might be more exact :) But you get the idea
[07:01] <RAOF> Anyway.  I'm not saying they haven't been, or aren't now, evil.
[07:02] <RAOF> Just that their evil nature shouldn't prevent us from (carefully) stealing good ideas from them.
[07:02] <RAOF> And the CIL is a good idea :)
[07:03] <genii> I think we should take the best from everything
[07:04] <RAOF> Indeed.
[07:04] <RAOF> And, as far as I'm aware, the CIL is the best general-purpose bytecode/VM combination.
[07:05] <genii> I'm not up on the latest acronyms...what is CIL exactly?
[07:05] <Tm_T> Coolin In Lava
[07:05] <Tm_T> +g
[07:05] <RAOF> Common Intermediate Language.  The .NET/mono bytecode.
[07:06] <genii> Ah, dot net stuff
[07:06] <RAOF> Not to be confused with the CLI, which is of course the Common Language Infrastructure :)
[07:07] <hylje> MS Python implementation is among the fastest
[07:08] <RAOF> But sucks, because all the extension modules are for CPython, sadly.
[07:08] <RAOF> But maybe with PyPy having both a CIL backend, and a certain ammount of community support, we can get Python-on-CIL that way.
[07:09] <hylje> doesnt .NET support native code hooks?
[07:09] <RAOF> Yes.
[07:09] <hylje> porting the necessary modules might be trivial enough depending on task
[07:10] <RAOF> But to support CPython extensions, you would have to essentially rewrite CPython (apparently)
[07:10] <genii> mostly I'm stuck in a twilight zone of perl,php,bash and on occasion C
[07:10] <RAOF> hylje: Not really the point :).  If you need to do that extra work, it's not worth it.
[07:10] <mzuverink> help with upgrading to gusty anyone?  Cant seem to get mine to go...
[07:14] <genii> while it's quiet again :) ...
[07:14] <genii> gutsy with KDE... after changing default resolution (from 1600x1200 to 1024x768), kdm login window still relatively appears as it did previously eg: now on bottom right when should be centered). Not crucial but annoying. Any fast fix for this? Delving into kdm theme file or so?
[07:15] <hylje> the resolution problem is most likely due xorg7.3/xrandr1.2
[07:16] <RAOF> hylje: Not unless he's running Xorg 7.3 :).  Not yet standard in Gutsy.
[07:16] <hylje> oh
[07:16] <hylje> ive been following the blueprints mostly
[07:16] <genii> fast way to check ? /var/cache/apt/archives?
[07:17] <RAOF> X -version :)
[07:17] <RAOF> If it says 1.3, it's Xorg 7.2
[07:17] <genii> apparently 1.3.0
[07:19] <genii> Hmmm. I'm suspecting hard-coded pixel placement in theme file based on original reolution instead of relative window placement
[07:19] <hylje> optimizations
[07:20] <genii> AFK poking around
[07:23] <Eluzion_> Evening everyone
[07:24] <Eluzion_> So I'm trying to install Gutsy but during the "Partion formatting" section, the dialog just closes and nothing happens. *shrug*
[07:29] <genii> hard-coded pixel positions in /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu/kubuntu.xml for dialog.png placement, Tinkering now
[07:34] <genii> brb
[07:40] <nemik> so none of my avi's play or other files, all media players give a X11 error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation) error. has anyone seen this?
[07:43] <nemik> huh, so it is only a compiz problem. as soon as i switched to metacity, i could play all videos with no problem
[07:45] <Eluzion_> meh I can't even get it installed ;P
[07:54] <genii> kdm now centered. ksplash off centre now however
[07:55] <genii> (was before didn't notice)
[07:56] <genii> system settings/splash screen test    shows it's the only one in the list not centering, must be some more non-relative window placement etc
[08:10] <genii> hmm kubuntu ksplash uses moodin centering or so it seems (per /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes/kubuntu/Theme.rc)
[08:12] <d4rkmonkey> your point is...?
[08:13] <genii> brb
[08:18] <mzuverink> Is anyone else having this problem "Failed to fetch http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/commercial/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found"?
[08:23] <genii> hard setting base resolution in Theme.rc does not seem to work to center ksplash. While experimenting with changing screen resolutions from system settings/monitor and display, found no matter what resolution chosen the screen actually remains the same size, even when it does the windoze-like "Keep this screen setting?" X many seconds   and so on. In xorg.conf no resolution entries, just default depth
[08:23] <genii> Using nvidia restricted driver
[08:25] <genii> I suspect the driver is to fault, previous to installing it from restricted driver manager xorg.conf contained resolution entries, where I originally changed it
[08:28] <genii> reverting now
[08:28] <genii> brb
[08:30] <genii> As i suspected
[08:30] <d4rkmonkey> ... having fin genii ?
[08:30] <jdt> has anyone experienced firefox, opera and konquerer crashing all the time in (k)ubuntu 7.10?
[08:31] <genii> resolution is now what i last set it to when it appeared not to change, also Theme.rc changes worked
[08:32] <genii> d4rkmonkey: Well, exploring :) Annoying the restricted driver removes ability to adjust resolution from kcontrol, also does not pass resolution info to kdm and ksplash
[08:33] <benanzo> FF crashes consistently closing a tab with active flash content.
[08:33] <benanzo> if closing a tab with active flash content
[08:34] <benanzo> did the new Intel video driver fix Xvmc under Compiz for anyone?  It was supposed to but didn't work for me.
[08:34] <RAOF> benanzo: Technically, it's Xv, not Xvmc.  They're two different things :)
[08:38] <benanzo> "This package also provides an XvMC (XVideo Motion Compensation) driver"   I don't know, was just reading from the changelog.  Am I thinking of a different bug?  I thought this was supposed to fix the Compiz video playback bug?
[08:39] <RAOF> Xv is what compiz breaks, Xvmc is hardware video decoding :)
[08:39] <genii> brb
[08:41] <benanzo> I don't know the details, but I thought Compiz breaks Xv because it uses a rendering layer that isn't supported.  Implementing XvMC is aimed at fixing that?
[08:41] <RAOF> benanzo: NO.
[08:41] <RAOF> Sorry, that wasn't meant to be all caps.
[08:42] <RAOF> The Xvmc change is separate to "make Xv work under Composite"
[08:42] <benanzo> oh ok
[08:43] <benanzo> So this patch wasn't aimed at fixing the Compiz video issue
[08:43] <RAOF> I think it was, wasn't it?
[08:43] <RAOF> Maybe not.
[08:45] <benanzo> I thought it was because the changelog on gutsy-changes stated: "- use xf86XVFillKeyHelperDrawable() to fix video playback with compositing enabled"  But the new version doesn't fix anything.  I was just seeing if it fixed for anyone else
[08:46] <RAOF> benanzo: Yes, that should have fixed it.  If it doesn't, go reopen the bug :)
[08:48] <benanzo> I'm totally confused by the bug status of this one.  According to Launchpad the bug status is "Incomplete" but the severity is "High" and yet they're releasing potential fixes.  is there some disconnect here?
[08:49] <benanzo> it's Launchpad bug 122979
[08:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122979 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "[aiglx] [intel] [r300]  Video playback is buggy under Compiz" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122979
[08:51] <Assid> yoza
[08:51] <Assid> meh .. kopete stopped working ever since i upgraded to gutsy
[08:53] <RAOF> benanzo: It's proabably incomplete because they don't know whether it's fixed or net
[08:53] <benanzo> ok
[08:54] <RAOF> benanzo: You might want to comment on that bug, say that you've got the new driver (mention the changelog, probably), and that it doesn't fix it for your.
[08:54] <RAOF> s/your/you/
[08:54] <Assid> err. anyone usign kopete?
[08:56] <RAOF> benanzo: You probably want to reboot first, just for safety, and make sure you're using the -intel, not -i810 driver.
[08:57] <benanzo> Yeah, I tried that but it's still broke.  I'll leave a comment.
[08:57] <Assid> darn
[08:58] <Assid> i think kopetes broke too
[08:59] <ohad> hi. i have the same problem as dan -- does anyone know how to resolve this ? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=523282
[09:01] <benanzo> sounds like you're not getting good DNS servers
[09:01] <benanzo> brb
[09:04] <ohad> how do i make my wifi card work?:/ it used to work?
[09:04] <ohad> not anymore..
[09:06] <Assid> modprobe for your card
[09:08] <ohad_> hi, trying to figure out why my wireless card is being so flaky...:/
[09:11] <aslan> hey guys.. I installed gutsy, and then after logging in tried to enable desktop effects
[09:11] <aslan> however it's not doing anything... ?
[09:12] <bjames> hi, does anyone know if pidgin will be included in the Ubuntu 7.04 repositories?
[09:13] <bjames> I'd prefer to install via synaptic
[09:13] <RAOF> Nop
[09:13] <RAOF> Actually, maybe.
[09:13] <RAOF> You could ask for a backport
[09:13] <RAOF> But why not Gaim?  It's essentially the same thing
[09:14] <bjames> well pidgin is newer - may be more stable, has a slightly updated user interface
[09:14] <bjames> I was just wondering
[09:15] <aslan> bjames: there's a few repos out there that have pidgin for feisty.
[09:15] <bjames> aslan: which? I'd like to add it to my repo list
[09:16] <aslan> bjames: umm it's on ubuntuforums..
[09:17] <bjames> cheers
[09:17] <Assid> heya
[09:17] <ameyer> umm, /me wonders how Pidgin in feisty is on-topic for #ubuntu+1...
[09:17] <ameyer> not that it really matters
[09:18] <aslan> hehe it's not
[09:20] <ameyer> then again, #ubuntu-offtopic gets lots of stuff that is more on-topic in #ubuntu or #ubuntu+1 , and #ubuntu* gets a lot of kubuntu/xubuntu/bastardizedbuntu stuff
[09:20] <ohad> i'm trying to install on gutsy 2.6.22-9 generic -- the intel wireless card 4320. i can get an ip for about a  min. i lose connectivity
[09:20] <ohad> ideas why?
[09:21] <ohad> and how to resolve this?
[09:21] <RAOF> ohad: You mean the iwl4965 drivers?
[09:22] <RAOF> ohad: The *experimental* iwl4965 drivers? :)
[09:23] <aslan> RAOF: did you build latest compiz-fusion from source or use apt to install it ?
[09:23] <RAOF> apt.
[09:23] <aslan> RAOF: and it worked fine?
[09:23] <ohad> i guess so
[09:23] <aslan> I can't get it to do anything here at all...
[09:23] <ohad> how do i get those to work?
[09:23] <RAOF> aslan: Yes.
[09:23] <ohad> i mean - whenever i boot-- wifi works fine for two minutes
[09:24] <RAOF> ohad: By fixing them, I think.  I see something similar with iwl3945
[09:24] <aslan> RAOF: hrmm.. did you just click "enable desktop effects" and it worked for you ?
[09:24] <RAOF> ohad: And then after that, it spits a huge number of messages to dmesg
[09:24] <RAOF> aslan: Pretty much, yes.
[09:24] <aslan> RAOF: damnit.. I wonder why it doesn't work here.
[09:24] <ohad> RAOF, what is the best route to go about using this wifi card.. i need it to work proerly
[09:24] <RAOF> aslan: You can try running "compiz --replace" in a terminal.
[09:24] <aslan> I click that, and it doesn't do anything.. just sits there
[09:24] <RAOF> ohad: Wait for intel to fix the drivers.
[09:25] <aslan> RAOF: ya I did try it.
[09:25] <RAOF> aslan: Then pastebin the output.  My psychic pony is on vacation.
[09:25] <ohad> RAOF, that sucks how long do you think that would take?
[09:25] <aslan> RAOF: lol.. hold on a sec
[09:25] <crdlb> RAOF, still???
[09:25] <crdlb> when does he get back?
[09:25] <RAOF> crdlb: She's taking longer than expected.
[09:25] <aslan> RAOF: actually I'm building from source right now.. I'll try the debs again if this doesn't work.
[09:26] <crdlb> oh she sorry :)
[09:26] <RAOF> aslan: Please don't sudo make install those.
[09:26] <aslan> RAOF: uh.. why ?
[09:26] <Hobbsee> RAOF: you have a psychic pony????
[09:26] <aslan> sudo make yes
[09:26] <aslan> I know not to use sudo make
[09:27] <aslan> but sudo is the only way to install.....
[09:27] <ohad> RAOF - it says that my card is 4230 - not iwl4965
[09:27] <DanaG> Oh yeah, linux-ubuntu-modules has iwl3945 and iwl4965.
[09:27] <RAOF> aslan: Because you may leave stuff lying around the filesystem which will inexplicably break compiz later.
[09:27] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Yeah, but she's never available :(
[09:27] <DanaG> Oh, and for Pidgin in Feisty, debuntu.org has it.
[09:28] <Hobbsee> RAOF: awww
[09:28] <RAOF> aslan: You can ./configure --prefix=$(USER)/Compiz
[09:28] <RAOF> aslan: Then you don't leave crud around.
[09:28] <aslan> RAOF: oh ya true..
[09:28] <DanaG> er, ~/compiz
[09:29] <RAOF> DanaG: ~/compiz doesn't get expanded by configure :)
[09:29] <benanzo> er ${HOME}
[09:29] <RAOF> At least, not for me with bash.
[09:29] <DanaG> Eeh, you got it.
[09:29] <RAOF> benanzo: Probably
[10:03] <Ayabara> anyone got acroread working in gutsy? when I try to launch it from shell it floods "syntax error" messages
[11:24] <fraction> does anyone know how to fix enormous font issue with the xserver-xorg-video-intel driver? thanks
[11:27] <albert23> fraction: did you try and change the resolution / dots per inch setting in fonts?
[11:28] <benanzo> I think it's System -> Preferences -> Appearance -> Fonts
[11:28] <fraction> yeah it only affects the terminal fontsize etc, the labels on windows etc remains huge
[11:28] <albert23> fraction: also if you change the dpi in details?
[11:29] <benanzo> are you fully updated?  I thought this was fixed
[11:29] <fraction> I am..
[11:30] <fraction> it seems that the font-size changes does not affect the GUI just the terminal text and in some other places
[11:30] <fraction> 1 letter takes up almost 1/4 of my screen,
[11:30] <benanzo> I fixed it in Tribe 3 by messing around in the font preferences.  I don't know why that wouldn't work now
[11:30] <fraction> ( using another driver in order to be able to talk in here )
[11:31] <albert23> I changed dpi from 96 to 85. That changes everything at once.
[11:31] <databuddy> fraction: system > preferences > appearance > fonts > advanced
[11:31] <databuddy> ;p
[11:31] <databuddy> the dpi setting
[11:31] <databuddy> put in like 120 and push enter or that lil up arror
[11:31] <databuddy> arrow
[11:32] <databuddy> once in a while u gotta restart X if its feeling buggy
[11:32] <fraction> k thanks.. will try that
[11:32] <benanzo> did the new intel driver fix compiz video playback for anyone?  it was supposed to but didn't work for me
[11:35] <databuddy> not really no
[11:35] <fraction> databuddy isnt that the same thing as changin dpi in xorg.conf?
[11:36] <databuddy> fraction: not tried it there
[11:36] <databuddy> lol
[11:43] <fraction> when I restart x and is going to log in .. the login screen still can only display 3-4 letters cause of lack of space
[11:43] <fraction> does the system-> ... -> font change the login -screen settings aswell?
[11:45] <benanzo> I believe the GDM login is controlled by the root account's settings in gdmsetup.  I think the chosen theme decides fonts etc.
[11:45] <benanzo> are fonts huge in GDM too?
[11:45] <fraction> I use KDE
[11:46] <Eq|work> so kdm
[11:46] <fraction> but logged in I have normal fonts now it seems, just at the login window there are some trouble
[11:46] <Eq|work> question essentially stands.
[11:48] <benanzo> mmmkay.   I think you'll need to change the root account's font settings as well.  You can just make a symlink from /root/.fonts to ${HOME}/.fonts if you want them to be the same
[11:49] <fraction> ok thanks.. will try that
[11:49] <benanzo> do 'sudo ln -s /home/{user}/.fonts /root/.fonts'
[11:50] <Ayabara> I get a lot of "YPBINDPROC_DOMAIN: Domain not bound" messages on my gutsy. Anyone got a clue what might cause that?
[11:51] <benanzo> no idea
[11:51] <fraction> my root doesnt have a .font , though my user account has .fonts.conf
[11:52] <benanzo> oh yeah, you're on KDE.  I don't know then
[11:53] <benanzo> Ayebara: can you ping and traceroute to a remote server?
[11:53] <fraction> ok.. thanks anyway
[01:05] <se7en^Of^9> is there a chance to get a Mobile 965 Express chipset, wireless capabilities that stretch to the Draft 802.11n standard working on gusty
[01:17] <RAOF> se7en^Of^9: Yes.  Try iwl4965, from linux-ubuntu-modules
[01:18] <se7en^Of^9> ok
[01:22] <instabin|work> where is the ubuntu loco team list
[01:26] <stdin> !loco
[01:26] <ubotu> Information on Ubuntu Local Community Teams is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams
[01:27] <stdin> instabin|work: ^
[01:27] <se7en^Of^9> RAOF: As of July 26th the IWL4965 driver and firmware is included in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 which should be installed by default. ...
[01:27] <se7en^Of^9> how can i check if the module is loaded
[01:27] <instabin|work> stdin: found one for PA but looking for a more localized group
[01:41] <etalli> I am having problems getting on to a WEP secured network in Kubuntu Tribe 4. It says connection failed after a couple seconds on IP Configuration.
[01:42] <etalli> I am using the wireless Firmware for Broadcom from the Restricted Driver Manager.
[02:04] <Do``> hulo
[02:33] <Marco> does the kernel include KVM?
[02:33] <Marco> or do you have to build it as a module with module-assistant?
[02:34] <jdt> hello, has anyone tried installing 7.10 on a macbook pro?
[02:35] <omha> Marco, yea
[02:36] <Marco> omha, to which question?
[02:36] <omha> Marco, sudo apt-get install kvm, its also if feisty
[02:36] <Marco> hmm, I'm deciding between xen and KVM
[02:36] <omha> Marco, desktop or server?
[02:36] <Marco> what do you think will be better for running windows and perhaps OS X
[02:36] <Marco> desktop
[02:37] <omha> try Virtualbox
[02:37] <Eq|work> bear in mind that vbox doesn't support osx guests atm.
[02:37] <Eq|work> technically vmware only does through lots of hacks
[02:37] <omha> virtualbox with kvm loaded with windows and windows is faster then native
[02:37] <Eq|work> heh
[02:38] <omha> Eq|work, does vmware do OSX?
[02:38] <omha> Apple wont like that
[02:38] <sn0> vmware does yes
[02:39] <Eq|work> omha : yes and no
[02:39] <Marco> omha, I have a native OS X install
[02:39] <Eq|work> afaik it only does a very hacked version.
[02:39] <Eq|work> of 10.0 or 10.1 x86
[02:39] <Marco> Eq|work, actually, only the kernel is hacked
[02:39] <Eq|work> which was never publically released
[02:39] <Marco> and it runs 10.4.9
[02:39] <Eq|work> Marco : nah, there's more to it than that
[02:39] <Marco> 10.4.10 is being worked on
[02:39] <Eq|work> ok, that's an improvement :)
[02:39] <Marco> :)
[02:40] <Marco> I like linux as a system much more than OS X
[02:40] <Marco> but OS X has a few very neat apps
[02:40] <omha> heh
[02:40] <omha> Marco, all osx can do linux can do
[02:40] <omha> just better
[02:40] <omha> and nicer
[02:40] <Marco> omha, of course
[02:41] <Marco> but there's always a few cool OS X apps
[02:41] <omha> like?
[02:41] <Marco> that there's no linux counterpart too
[02:41] <Marco> I find their new spreadsheet
[02:41] <Marco> quite nice
[02:41] <omha> hmm i havent tried it
[02:41] <Marco> hmm, so virtualbox uses kvm?
[02:42] <omha> it can
[02:42] <omha> but it's not needed
[02:42] <Marco> and it benchmarks faster than xen :o
[02:43] <Marco> ?
[02:43] <omha> donno
[02:43] <omha> but it's faster then native
[02:44] <omha> i installed it on a mates laptop and XP scored 32k in cpumark
[02:44] <omha> native it gets 8k
[02:44] <omha> superpi 1M 15sec
[02:44] <omha> normally it takes 32
[02:44] <Marco> :o
[02:44] <omha> but after a reboot virtualbox crashed when kvm was loaded
[02:46] <Marco> btw, do you know if the nvidia driver in ubuntu is patched to load with xen?
[02:47] <RivaeAerya> Speaking about virtual computers - I just had a question about that
[02:47] <RivaeAerya> I downloaded a KDE 4 liveCD and want to run it without rebooting or burning a CD (we ran out of CDrs). But i need a good virtual computer software thingy. Tried vmware player, but HECK it is slow..
[02:48] <RivaeAerya> can anyone point me to a good virtual computer thingy?
[02:48] <RivaeAerya> (by the way, i'm not using Gutsy, i'm using Feisty, but since you guys were talking about this..)
[02:48] <omha> RivaeAerya, the problem is that no VM player has proper gfx
[02:49] <omha> so no composite or bling bling
[02:49] <RivaeAerya> yeah but i'm not seeking openGL, just fast speed so KDE 4 doesn't crash so often when you try to open an app (like it did in vmplayer)
[02:49] <omha> virtualbox seems fast and good
[02:50] <RivaeAerya> virtualbox? where to get?
[02:50] <omha> virtualbox.org
[02:50] <omha> and install kvm if you cpu supports it
[02:50] <RivaeAerya> kvm?
[02:51] <omha> kernel virtualization module
[02:51] <RivaeAerya> where to get?
[02:51] <omha> aka hardware accelerated VM's
[02:51] <omha> sudo apt-get install kvm
[02:51] <RivaeAerya> how to check if my cpu supports it?
[02:51] <omha> modprobe kvm && modprobe kvm-intel/amd
[02:52] <RivaeAerya> ok
[02:52] <omha> RivaeAerya, cat /proc/cpuinfo
[02:52] <RivaeAerya> model name      : AMD Athlon(tm)
[02:52] <RivaeAerya> supported?
[02:52] <Eq|work> model name is not relevant
[02:53] <omha> under flags do you have vme
[02:53] <Eq|work> flags is what you're looking for
[02:53] <RivaeAerya> omha: yes
[02:53] <omha> RivaeAerya, then you can use kvm
[02:53] <RivaeAerya> omha: how to enable?
[02:53] <omha> enable?
[02:54] <RivaeAerya> yes, kvm
[02:54] <omha> sudo modprobe kvm && sudo modprobe kvm-amd
[02:55] <IdleOne> RivaeAerya: you enable by install the kvm module using sudo apt-get install kvm
[02:55] <RivaeAerya> ok
[02:55] <IdleOne> ohma will be able to help you further because I have no idea what kvm does :/
[03:12] <johnf> anyone know of LVM brokenness in gutsy? my /dev/mapper/vg0-var etc have disappeared after reboot.
[03:21] <omha> johnf, checked launchpad?
[03:23] <johnf> had a quick look bug 132138 looks like it might be the same but not much detail there
[03:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132138 in Ubuntu "segfaults during boot, lvm symlinks in /dev/vg/lvs not created" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132138
[03:36] <omha> burning gutsy tribe 4 :D finally a system that does not have shitloads of gene problems left from feisty :D
[04:22] <Assid> stdin:for geforce fx 5200 i need the  Latest Legacy GPU version (1.0-71xx series): 1.0-7185 right ?
[04:22] <omha> Assid, use the restricted-manger ;)
[04:22] <stdin> let me look
[04:22] <omha> manager*
[04:22] <Assid> restricted-manager?
[04:23] <omha> Assid, system -> administration -> restricted-manager
[04:23] <omha> Assid, it will install nvidia drivers
[04:23] <Assid> i think it did that
[04:23] <stdin> Assid: yep latest
[04:23] <Assid> and i dont have system > administration
[04:23] <Assid> then how come glxgears kills my x session?
[04:24] <omha> stdin, what about gefore go 7600?
[04:24] <omha> :)
[04:24] <Assid> stdin: so should i get that?
[04:24] <omha> Assid, sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[04:25] <Assid> restricted-manager got the nvidia one
[04:25] <omha> Assid, click enable?
[04:25] <Assid> its enabled
[04:25] <stdin> go 7600 just about makes it in to the latest driver version
[04:25] <omha> stdin, shouldnt i use nvidia-glx-new then?
[04:25] <Assid> see this
[04:26] <Assid> i run glxgears
[04:26] <Assid> it dies
[04:26] <omha> Assid, glxinfo | grep direct
[04:26] <Assid> direct rendering: Yes
[04:27] <stdin> omha: like i said, it just about makes it in that list, so -new is right for you
[04:27] <omha> stdin, hmm strange is restricted-manger only set to install nvidia-glx?
[04:27] <omha> stdin, because i always installs it
[04:28] <omha> it*
[04:29] <stdin> omha: it falls under the 1.0-9755 list and that's the -new package
[04:51] <omha> dammm a clean gutsy is nice
[04:52] <omha> dist-upgrading is useless
[04:57] <omha> does gutsy not have ccsm to configure compiz fusion?
[05:10] <Eq|work> omha : it's not installed by default
[05:15] <omha> Eq|work, yea i figured it out, just had a hard time finding the name
[05:16] <Eq|work> apt-cache search compiz
[05:16] <Eq|work> :P
[05:17] <omha> Eq|work, btw does Gutsy have a smaller dictionary then feisty and how can i get xchat's spelling todo multiple langs in the suggestion menu like in feisty?
[05:17] <omha> Eq|work, i thought it was called ccsm
[05:17] <Eq|work> i have no idea on either of those
[05:17] <Eq|work> and compiz'll show up in the description of ccsm
[05:17] <Eq|work> even if it's not in the package name
[05:19] <omha> yea but its not called ccsm
[05:19] <omha> and the compiz list is long
[05:21] <Pici> omha: the package is compizconfig-settings-manager
[05:21] <omha> Pici, yea i found it
[05:42] <Marco> is xen currently non-installable in gutsy?
[05:42] <IdleOne> !info xen
[05:42] <Marco> many of the deps for ubuntu-xen-desktop aren't available
[05:42] <ubotu> Package xen does not exist in gutsy
[05:43] <Marco> !info ubuntu-xen-desktop
[05:43] <ubotu> ubuntu-xen-desktop: Xen software for running on servers.. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.0.1-2ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 2 kB, installed size 32 kB (Only available for i386 amd64)
[05:43] <Marco> http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/base/ubuntu-xen-desktop
[05:43] <Marco> most of the deps are missing :(
[05:43] <IdleOne> Marco: if xen is a depend of ubuntu-xen-desktop then it cannot be installed seeing that xen is not available
[05:44] <Marco> there is no xen package
[05:44] <Hobbsee> looks like that package needs a rebuild.  we have xen-3.1 now
[05:44] <Hobbsee> no idea if *that* builds, though
[05:46] <Marco> I guess I can manually install all the components of that package but the 3.1 version
[05:47] <shirish> guys has anybody installed gmailfs here? on gutsy?
[05:47] <shirish> or can install & work with me
[05:49] <Marco> shirish, what doesn't work?
[05:50] <shirish> Marco: I don't know how to work it
[05:50] <shirish> the README says
[05:50] <Marco> http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem-using.html
[05:50] <shirish> put an entry in /etc/fstab
[05:50] <shirish> none /mnt gmailfs noauto,username=gmailuser@gmail.com,password=gmailpass,fsname=zOlRRa
[05:50] <shirish> Marco: read that also
[05:51] <shirish> Marco: its not something the average user is going to know what would be the right thing to put in there
[05:51] <shirish> Marco: in the link you have given it says /usr/local/bin/gmailfs.py   /path/of/mount/point       gmailfs   noauto,username=gmailuser, password=gmailpass, fsname=zOlRRa
[05:52] <shirish> Marco: now according to the site gmailfs should reside in /usr/local/bin/ nothing is there
[05:52] <Marco> dpkg-query -L gmailfs
[05:52] <Marco> pastebin the results of that
[05:53] <shirish> ah yes, how forgetful of me.
[05:55] <shirish> Marco: its http://pastebin.ca/658394
[05:56] <Marco> I don't know what to say
[05:57] <shirish> Marco: do you have gmailfs installed?
[05:58] <Marco> no
[05:58] <shirish> ok :(
[05:58] <shirish> I need somebody who has installed gmailfs who can tell me what I need to do
[06:02] <shirish> Marco: what would be path of mountpoint /mnt or something else?
[06:02] <Marco> you can make any mountpoint you want
[06:02] <Marco> just do mkdir /media/gmail
[06:02] <Marco> and use /media/gmail as your mount point
[06:06] <omha> how come pidgin dont put to be in tray?
[06:06] <omha> how come pidgin dont want to be put in tray?
[06:07] <shirish> bbiaf, lets see the stuff I did is right or not.
[06:08] <IdleOne> ask a question the leave
[06:09] <IdleOne> ok took me 25 minutes to look but still
[06:16] <mzuverink> Even when you have changed the login screen and background color to something other than the standard ubuntu brown, it still shows up as brown between logging in and starting up the desktop, how would I fix that?
[06:27] <nr5-ubuntu> high there
[06:30] <nr5-ubuntu> if i upgraded to gutsy... and ran into problems, should i downgrade or try to install previous versions of a problem causing compound?
[06:33] <geser> what problem do you have?
[06:35] <tatters> what I do not undertsand is on 7.3  with nvidia binary drivers I could run xawtv and any capture application without problem. with 7.10 I get " X Error of failed request:  XF86DGANoDirectVideoMode,"  it appears that Nvidia drivers do not support the DGA thing anymore soooo does this mean all the packages that use that function need to be updated?
[06:36] <nr5-ubuntu> geser i installed xserver-Xgl and according to Xorg.0.log the server exits with some backtrace naming certain librarys like libGL
[06:37] <geser> I know RAOF is working on an updated xserver-xgl
[06:39] <tatters> anyone here use tvcard and nvidia binary drivers ?
[06:39] <Trewas> tatters: yes, the programs have to be modified... fortunately dga appears to be used by only few programs
[06:42] <tatters> Trewas I been trying to get zoneminder running which has only just been included in repo, I cannot get any stream in browser interface and not sure if that error is the reason why or if it is has you one of the few programs that do use it
[06:43] <nr5-ubuntu> geser it sais libGLcore.so(_mesa_free+0x1d)  one line 3 from that backtrace output, i compiled dri/drm modules from a "mach64-20060403-linux.i386" archive i downloaded from freedesktop.org
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[08:26] (Kousotu/#ubuntu+1) nr5-ubuntu: how do I install it?
[08:26] (tatters/#ubuntu+1) surely thats a less secure method?
[08:27] (nr5-ubuntu/#ubuntu+1) Assid, nice cube dancing on the floor
[08:27] (nr5-ubuntu/#ubuntu+1) Kousotu, what do you mean by 'have the driver' ?
[08:28] (Assid/#ubuntu+1) thanks.. but thats there in compiz.. i wanna get the mac look
[08:28] (Assid/#ubuntu+1) and also make the effects look neater
[08:28] (Kousotu/#ubuntu+1) I downloaded it already
[08:28] (Assid/#ubuntu+1) like see shift switcher.. i wanna use that
[08:29] <Assid> sorry.. see the ring switcher
[08:32] <attunix> Isn't there a command where if I have multiple boot screens installed, it lets me choose which one?
[08:33] <attunix> Because I did sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-desktop. Later, I removed it, but the boot screen (with the loading bar) remained. Please help.
[08:34] <nr5-ubuntu> Assid here you go: http://download.enlightenment.org/snapshots/2007-07-10/
[08:34] <Assid> nr5-ubuntu:  ?>
[08:34] <stdin> attunix: sudo dpkg-reconfigure usplash.so
[08:34] <Assid> whats that for?
[08:34] <stdin> attunix: no, it's  "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash.so" not dpkg :p
[08:35] <attunix> stdin: thanks
[08:36] <nr5-ubuntu> Assid, http://www.macewan.org/2006/03/17/howto-install-e17-on-ubuntu-dapper/ this is the correct link
[08:37] <stdin> attunix: after you choose one, you have to run "sudo update-initramfs -u" that will update your initrd.img for your kernel
[08:37] <Assid> nr5-ubuntu: okay whats it for but?
[08:37] <attunix> sudo update-alternatives --config usplash.so && sudo update-initramfs -u
[08:37] <stdin> ^ I knew I missed a step there
[08:37] <attunix> will that work?
[08:37] <stdin> attunix: sure :)
[08:37] <attunix> thanks
[08:39] <nr5-ubuntu> Assid, strange... somehow i clicked the wrong link and now im talking shit... have a look for "engage" this is what you need, it comes with enlightenment
[08:40] <stdin> !language
[08:40] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[08:40] <Assid> why would i need engage ?
[08:40] <Assid> as far as i remember its some docker and stuff i need
[08:40] <nr5-ubuntu> assid wellthendontask
[08:40] <Assid> dont remember what exactly
[08:41] <tatters> I have a usb webcam which use to work in feisty,   if I type lsusb I get "Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0c45:602c Microdia Clas Ohlson TWC-30XOP WebCam" and yet it does not show up in lspci which it used to before no idea why not or if it should not before but it did. could this be a driver problem I thought video4linux was the driver for video devices if so it still works fine for my tvcard.
[08:42] <shirish> stdin: could you help me with https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/132727 maybe I'm missing a step somewhere?
[08:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132727 in gmailfs "There is no gmailfs.py package" [Undecided,New]
[08:43] <stdin> shirish: "no gmailfs.py" "/usr/share/pycentral/gmailfs/site-packages/gmailfs.py" ?
[08:44] <shirish> stdin: while its there , its not in /usr/local/bin/gmailfs.py as given in the documentation, README as well as the site.
[08:45] <stdin> shirish: documentation is for manual install, manual install has the prefix "/usr/local", package install has prefix "/usr"
[08:45] <shirish> stdin: aha ok
[08:46] <stdin> shirish: you should have grep'd the list :)
[08:46] <shirish> stdin: what do you mean grepped the list?
[08:46] <verwilst> hi, i'm seeing a linux-image-2.6.22-9-xen in gutsy
[08:46] <verwilst> but only for i386
[08:47] <verwilst> any idea why it's not available for amd64?
[08:47] <stdin> shirish: dpkg -L gmailfs | grep gmailfs.py
[08:47] <shirish> ah, you mean like that, sure
[08:48] <shirish> stdin: have u used gmailfs?
[08:48] <stdin> shirish: I have before, but that was a while ago. and I did a manual install
[08:49] <Do``> is it normal that a dist-upgrade from a well maintained feisty takes  twelse hundred package updates and over 1g new data?
[08:49] <stdin> Do``: depends how many packages you had installed, but it would update (just about) all packages
[08:49] <shirish> stdin: that's ok, I just want to have some info. as to what would be the right thing to write in /etc/fstab so a user, other than root can use gmailfs
[08:50] <Do``> stdin: i see
[08:50] <IdleOne> Do``: if you havent done any dist-upgrades before I guess it would be normal
[08:50] <Assid> hrmm
[08:51] <stdin> shirish: fstab is a bad place for it (imo) as it's mounted by root. but maybe "uid=1000" ?
[08:52] <shirish> stdin: could you explain it a bit more, I know that we have something called uuids now, but frankly have no idea how to use them
[08:52] <stdin> shirish: not a uuid, a uid (user ID)
[08:52] <Do``> IdleOne: not really, i started with 7.04 beta
[08:52] <stdin> shirish: 'id -u' to see yours
[08:53] <stdin> 7.04 BETA?
[08:53] <shirish> stdin: ok hang on
[08:53] <IdleOne> herd he means
[08:53] <stdin> still 7.04 is feisty
[08:54] <Do``> stdin: yes, my linux life started with 7.04 beta
[08:54] <IdleOne> yes but if he hasnt ever dist-upgraded he would still have older packages right or does apt-get update get him to final release
[08:54] <Do``> so i didnt see a dist-upgrade beofre
[08:54] <shirish> stdin: let's say its the same uid, "uid=1000" then how would i do it so shirish gets to play with gmailfs?
[08:54] <stdin> Do``: ahh, so you're just saying you've done this before :P
[08:55] <Do``> yes. i havent done this before. normal updates got me to where i was 10 minutes ago
[08:55] <IdleOne> Do``: go ahead and accept.
[08:55] <Assid> okay time to get back tow rok
[08:55] <Assid> lost enough time on all this
[08:55] <IdleOne> gonna take a little time to finish but it will get done
[08:55] <stdin> shirish: like i said, add "uid=1000" to the mount options (and your uid is probably 1000, as that's the default for the 1st user ;)
[08:56] <Do``> IdleOne: already downloading. 3 more hours to go :)
[08:56] <IdleOne> Do``: worst that can happen is your machine will explode and start a fire that might end up burning down your entire block :)
[08:57] <shirish> stdin: in /etc/fstab its right now
[08:57] <shirish>  none    /mountpoint     gmailfs         username=gmailuser,password=gmailpass,fsname=zOlRRa     0     0
[08:57] <shirish> stdin: now where do I fit in the uid=1000?
[08:58] <Do``> IdleOne: so i was told by the update manager ;ppp
[08:58] <stdin> shirish: add ",uid=1000" after the fsname=BlAhBlAh..
[08:58] <IdleOne> Do``: you planning on upgrading to gutsy?
[08:59] <shirish> stdin: did, btw it should be "uid=1000" or ",uid=1000" (the comma is right? and quotation marks necessary?)
[08:59] <Do``> IdleOne: i think i'm already doing so, even if its tribe 4 at the moment
[08:59] <Linuturk> I've got tribe 4 live cd booted to my laptop. My sound device isn't detected. I'd like to know if the Intel hda chipsets will be support in Gutsy, and if not, what do I do to get support added?
[08:59] <IdleOne> Do``: what command did yourun exactly?
[08:59] <stdin> shirish: comma goes before all options, no quotes tho
[09:00] <Do``> IdleOne: certain updated packages are already missing from the feisty repos and i wont beg for backports, its easier to just upgrade, its fairly stable for my needs
[09:00] <Do``> IdleOne: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3089562&postcount=3 <-
[09:01] <IdleOne> Do``: update-manager -d or did you just change feisty to gutsy in sources.list?
[09:01] <shirish> stdin: thanx, is there a way to refresh fstab, to know the new thing, or one has to shutdown & then re-login for fstab to take place?
[09:01] <nr5-ubuntu> this is my situation :/ http://pastebin.ca/658640
[09:01] <shirish> stdin: for stab to notice the change done I mean
[09:01] <Do``> IdleOne: all the 3 commands you see there. i was told it works and so far it looks that way
[09:01] <IdleOne> Do``: yup that will work
[09:01] <stdin> shirish: seeing as it's not mounted, just "sudo mount /mountpoint"
[09:03] <Do``> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_Servers_HACKED :/
[09:04] <Piyush_1q> Hello everyone, anyone know if Pidgin will replace gaim in 7.10
[09:06] <jussi01> !info pidgin
[09:06] <ubotu> pidgin: multi-protocol instant messaging client. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.1.0-1ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 1823 kB, installed size 5140 kB
[09:06] <jussi01> yes
[09:06] <jussi01> Piyush_1q:
[09:07] <jussi01> can anyone get the videos here to work? if so, what do I need installed? http://stage6.divx.com/Liverpool-FC
[09:07] <Piyush_1q> wow, nice. Thanks ubotu and jussi01
[09:07] <Piyush_1q> !info gaim
[09:07] <ubotu> gaim: transitional package to Pidgin. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.1.0-1ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 112 kB, installed size 156 kB
[09:08] <nr5-ubuntu> the servers were not upgraded past breezy, leaving them open to vulnerabilities after Breezy's EOL; LoCo team users were running an array of web applications (Drupal, Wordpress, Mediawiki, etc), but not updating their systems with new security patches...
[09:09] <jussi01> !bot | Piyush_1q:
[09:09] <ubotu> Piyush_1q:: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[09:09] <jussi01> lol,
[09:10] <IdleOne> Do``: if you read on in that post you will see that it had nothing to do with the OS and was bad administration that was at fault
[09:10] <Do``> huh?
[09:10] <jussi01> stdin: you have any idea how to make those vids work? they are divx embedded in a web page...
[09:10] <IdleOne> Ubuntu/Mandrake/Centos/Windows/OSX all can be hacked if not properly maintained and secured
[09:11] <Do``> oh the article on digg, right :P
[09:11] <IdleOne> yeah
[09:11] <Do``> ye, i figured btw
[09:11] <stdin> jussi01: you have the mplayer plugin?
[09:11] <etalli> I really need some help with WIFI
[09:12] <jussi01> stdin: yes, I do, but still no go...
[09:12] <jussi01> etalli: whats your problem?
[09:12] <stdin> jussi01: edit ~/.mplayer/mplayerplug-in.conf make sure "enable-dvx=1" is there
[09:13] <shirish> stdin: you there buddy?
[09:14] <stdin> I guess :p
[09:14] <etalli> I used the new Restricted thing to install the Broadcom stuff, and it kind of worked.  I could see the networks and try to connect to them but they failed.  Now, after disabling them to try other stuff, I reenabled them and it never enables.  No check even after I download the fw, etc.
[09:14] <shirish> stdin: no dice, I'm still not able to paste anything in gmail, although the folder does show up in /media/gmail
[09:15] <stdin> shirish: what does "ls -ld /media/gmail" say?
[09:15] <etalli> jussi01: And in the Network settings window, it says that I am in roaming mode, so it should give me a list, right?
[09:16] <shirish> stdin:  ls -ld /media/gmail
[09:16] <shirish> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2007-08-15 21:34 /media/gmail
[09:16] <stdin> hmm
[09:17] <stdin> shirish: it's because it's being mounted by root, and fuse is supposed to be mounted by the user
[09:17] <etalli> jussi01: Any ideas?
[09:17] <jussi01> etalli: no, sorry
[09:17] <etalli> Anyone?
[09:18] <shirish> stdin: I know i don't have rights, hence can't paste anything, what I want to know is how do i set things right
[09:19] <jussi01> stdin: I dont have that file...
[09:19] <stdin> shirish: try putting in the "user" option to fstab
[09:19] <attunix> How do I install the ubuntustudio-desktop file? Apt-get gives me "E: Couldn't find package ubuntustudio-desktop."
[09:19] <jussi01> attunix: you need to add the ubuntustudio repo
[09:19] <shirish> stdin: should I take uid=1000 out or let both remain?
[09:19] <stdin> jussi01: ok, on a page that has video in mplayer, right-click it and go in to the preferences, you can enable divx there
[09:20] <attunix> jussi01: what's that?
[09:20] <jussi01> stdin: thanks
[09:20] <stdin> shirish: try with both, can't hurt
[09:20] <jussi01> attunix: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/UpgradingFromFeisty
[09:20] <shirish> stdin: ok will do, btw this is what I did last time we talked, I'm putting all the findings at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gmailfs/+bug/132727/comments/4
[09:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132727 in gmailfs "There is no gmailfs.py package" [Undecided,New]
[09:20] <attunix> jussi01: thanks
[09:20] <jussi01> ;)
[09:21] <shirish> stdin: please read the comment I made, so we know if the stuff I did was right or not.
[09:22] <stdin> ok carry on
[09:22] <attunix> I don't really understand what to do to install ubuntustudio-desktop. The site isn't up.
[09:23] <jussi01> attunix: the one i gave you?
[09:23] <attunix> yeah.
[09:23] <shirish> stdin: ok bbiaf, will shutdown & then come up again, btw each time I boot up I get this message about line 25 not right in /etc/fstab and then (mntent) or something similar
[09:23] <shirish> stdin: will give the exact error this time when I boot up again.
[09:23] <attunix> jussi01: never mind I got it
[09:31] <peeps_work> will gutsy have pidgin in repos?
[09:31] <peeps_work> or still gaim
[09:32] <stdin> yes it has pidgin
[09:34] <shirish> stdin: no luck at all, this time gmail is not to be found, although there is a cdrom folder in /media which was not there before I think
[09:35] <stdin> what was the error you got then?
[09:35] <tatters> when trying to run usb webcam I get  http://pastebin.com/m678918b0    this is syslog when webcam plugged in http://pastebin.com/m3e597acd
[09:35] <shirish> stdin: actually this time when i got a different error
[09:36] <shirish> stdin: it said Mounting local filesystems
[09:36] <shirish> stdin: Invalidating stale software images
[09:36] <shirish> stdin: Ignored options:rw
[09:36] <shirish> stdin: Ignored option: noexec
[09:37] <shirish> stdin: ignored option:user
[09:37] <jussi01> grrr, i kill somebody
[09:37] <shirish> stdin: ignored option:nosuid
[09:37] <stdin> shirish: post your fstab to pastebin
[09:37] <shirish> stdin: will do
[09:38] <jussi01> stdin: any other ideas? it just keeps popping up with that it needs to install some plugin...
[09:38] <nr5-ubuntu> jussi01, which codec does mplayerer say is this file encoded with?
[09:38] <stdin> jussi01: did you check the settings ?
[09:39] <jussi01> stdin: I tried, but it doesnt give me any option to.
[09:39] <jussi01> stdin: this is the vide
[09:39] <jussi01> o
[09:39] <jussi01> http://stage6.divx.com/Liverpool-FC/video/1527990/Toulouse-v-Liverpool---Voronin-(15/08/07)
[09:39] <shirish> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33857/
[09:40] <shirish> stdin: I just edited out my username, password & fsname details apart from that everything is the same.
[09:41] <shirish> stdin: the / & /home on two seperate partitions, maybe they also have a bearing?
[09:43] <Some_Person> How unstable/unusable is Gutsy at this point?
[09:44] <shirish> Some_Person: Its very much usable, breakage is there but not much at this point in time
[09:45] <shirish> jussi01: me thinks stdin left, so many people were asking him questions including me
[09:46] <jussi01> shirish: probably
[09:46] <nr5-ubuntu> Jussi  wget http://video.stage6.com/1527990/.divx
[09:46] <jussi01> stdin: :)
[09:46] <Some_Person> Do the desktop effects have the same bug they have in Feisty?
[09:46] <shirish> stdin: :)
[09:46] <jussi01> nr5-ubuntu: what will that do?
[09:46] <nr5-ubuntu> Playing 1527990.divx. VIDEO:  [DX50]   352x272  24bpp  25.000 fps  599.1 kbps (73.1 kbyte/s)
[09:46] <shirish> Some_Person: which is?
[09:46] <jussi01> Some_Person: and which bug would that be?
[09:47] <Some_Person> The titlebar turning white from time to time
[09:47] <nr5-ubuntu> jussie01 mplayer http://video.stage6.com/1527990/.divx
[09:47] <Some_Person> Oh, and does the live cd use restricted drivers?
[09:47] <shirish> Some_Person: didn't see that but then on very low end-hardware & never tried all the effects, i845GL integrated 8 MB graphics chipset
[09:48] <Some_Person> Well I have a crappy machine.
[09:48] <jussi01> nr5-ubuntu: thanks, it works in vlc, however mplayer gives me an error about opening the vo device
[09:49] <stdin> shirish: you may just have to mount it manually, somewhere in your home dir, mounting it as root seems to just not work
[09:49] <Some_Person> I just hope they fixed the titlebar bug.
[09:49] <nr5-ubuntu> jussie01 ur welcome
[09:49] <stdin> jussi01: I'm about to test something...
[09:50] <Some_Person> Does the Gutsy live cd use restricted drivers?
[09:50] <shirish> stdin: ok willing to mount it manually, in my /home/shirish/gmail or something but how to do it?
[09:51] <jussi01> stdin: ok
[09:51] <shirish> stdin: and does this mean I should delete tht whole entry from /etc/fstab or it would change something?
[09:51] <Some_Person> Hello?
[09:51] <stdin> shirish: yeah you'll need to remove that
[09:51] <shirish> Some_Person: there are lot of improvements that are being made to stuff, but can't say anything for sure.
[09:52] <Some_Person> Well, if you all installed Gutsy, how could you not know this?
[09:52] <shirish> stdin: just commented it, so maybe in the future we can play with this
[09:53] <stdin> shirish: something like "mount -t gmailfs gmailfs /home/shirish/gmailfs -o username=gmailuser,password=gmailpass,fsname=FSNAME"
[09:53] <shirish> Some_Person: the thing is, I didn't use feisty with composite or beryl or anything, for whatever little I used in gutsy I didn't see the white titlebar bug which you said about
[09:53] <stdin> jussi01: wooh, got it working :)
[09:53] <stdin> jussi01: open a terminal
[09:53] <stdin> jussi01: cd /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
[09:54] <stdin> jussi01: sudo ln -s /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/mplayerplug-in-dvx.so
[09:54] <Some_Person> shirish: I understand that, but I'm talking about the other thing: restricted drivers on live cd
[09:54] <shirish> stdin: ok will try that, btw is there any difference between fsname=FSNAME . why did you use caps?
[09:54] <stdin> jussi01: sudo ln -s /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/mplayerplug-in-dvx.xpt
[09:54] <stdin> jussi01: restart firefox, done
[09:54] <stdin> shirish: I just mean use whatever your fsname is
[09:54] <shirish> Some_Person: haven't used the live CD in a long time, did that in gutsy tribe 1
[09:54] <shirish> stdin: ah ok
[09:55] <Some_Person> oh
[09:55] <shirish> stdin: fsname=something is just a variable right, it can be anything?
[09:55] <stdin> shirish: yep
[09:55] <shirish> stdin: for instance it can fsname=stdin or fsname=shirish
[09:56] <stdin> shirish: you can use that (but it's best to make it secure)
[09:57] <jussi01> stdin: bingo!!! you are a lifesaver, thanks a lot!!
[09:57] <stdin> jussi01: :D
[09:57] <jussi01> works perfect now :)
[09:57] <shirish> stdin: relax, I am going to make that secure, although don't know if alphanumeric is allowed or not
[09:58] <shirish> stdin: for the examples they have given they haven't used alphanumeric or special characters
[09:58] <stdin> yep, any a-z|A-Z|0-9
[09:58] <shirish> stdin: but that's another story
[10:01] <shirish> stdin: lemme get this straight each time I can do something "mount -t gmailfs gmailfs /home/shirish/gmailfs -o username=gmailuser,password=gmailpass,fsname=FSNAME" & it should work right?
[10:01] <shirish> stdin: this would be for this session or throughout, if throughout for all sessions where will all this stuff go?
[10:04] <stdin> shirish: you'll have to do that manually for each session
[10:04] <burner_> gutsy's updates are so frequent in the past few weeks, this is nuts :)
[10:04] <stdin> that's what you get for running a devel version :)
[10:05] <burner_> I guess, just seems busier than any time I remember in the Ubuntu history.  I love it!  /me still wishes miro would get in soon.  democracy died on me
[10:10] <tatters> Could someone tell me what is possibably happening here when I try  -hwscan with xawtv    http://pastebin.com/m5e95595e
[10:11] <cbothner> I need help.  I have a fresh install of Kubuntu 7.10 Tribe 4 (+915resolution).  I cannot connect to my wireless network.  Can anyone help?
[10:13] <tatters> I noob I can only say try ifconfig n lspci to if it is recognised
[10:13] <cbothner> I have a Broadcom Air Force One that masquerades as a Dell wireless card.
[10:38] <Do``> lovely
[10:38] <Do``> the distupgrade just finished dowloading over 1gb of stuff
[10:39] <Do``> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[10:39] <Do``> and then it ends with this error message.
[10:40] <d4rkmonkey> that sucks.
[10:42] <jussi01> Do``: just change your repo and try again
[10:42] <Do``> change to what?
[10:43] <jussi01> Do``: just go to adept/synaptic, go manage repos, then select a different repo
[10:43] <nr5-ubuntu> Do``, what about running the same command again?
[10:43] <nr5-ubuntu> Do``, this worked for me several times on differens systems
[10:43] <Do``> i'm doing that with --fix-missing
[10:43] <nr5-ubuntu> sudo apt-get update
[10:44] <Do``> its unpacking now lots of stuff
[11:16] <Instabin> gutsy is asking me to do a partial upgrade... should i do it?
[11:16] <Instabin> im at tribe 4 now...
[11:25] <Marco> How can I tell which scheduler my current kernel is configured to use?
[11:36] <d4rkmonkey> o_O why'd i just get a message about doing a partial upgrade?
[11:36] <d4rkmonkey> whaz this?
[11:39] <Marco> ah, finally
[11:39] <Marco> gnome-cups-manager is removed
[11:39] <Marco> having two printing control panels
[11:39] <Marco> was annoying
[11:41] <nr5-ubuntu> ayeaye
[11:43] <nemik> is anyone else experiencing por signal/performance with ar5212 on a thinkpad t61?
[11:44] <nr5-ubuntu> i have agpgart, drm, and mach64 loaded, why does my xserver not enable direct rendering? i.e. when wil the next xgl-package appear?
[11:44] <nosrednaekim> nemik: well, i'm experiencing poor range on a 5211 in a Acer 5050
[11:44] <nosrednaekim> I guess the real name is AR5005G
[11:45] <nr5-ubuntu> nemik does this driver support "iwconfig eth* txpower 150mW"?
[11:45] <Marco> nr5-ubuntu, what card do you have?
[11:45] <pace_t_zulu> hey guys, so i have both ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop installed, how do i make the ubuntu usplash show up rather than the kubuntu one
[11:45] <pace_t_zulu> usplash artwork that is
[11:45] <nr5-ubuntu> marco its a rage M (with mach64 RT chip) http://pastebin.ca/658640 for more details
[11:45] <pace_t_zulu> i already have gdm rather than kdm
[11:45] <Ryo> Okay, wired network is still not working and Im still definately wanting it too...
[11:46] <Ryo> I already know it's a flaw with DHCP3.
[11:46] <Ryo> there's just absolutely nothing I can do.
[11:47] <awen> after upgrading to gutsy nearly all my Fn-key combinations stopped working on my IBM T42... anybody experienced something similar?
[11:47] <SeveredCross> What the heck kinda funky setup are you using that DHCP fails to handle it?
[11:47] <Ryo> I'm using a wired connection on a router
[11:47] <Ryo> there's absolutely nothing "funky".  It worked on Feisty
[11:48] <nr5-ubuntu> pace_t_zulu, apt-cache search usplash and after choosing one apt-get install it
[11:48] <Ryo> It's just that DHCP3 is broken.
[11:50] <Ryo> And if Gutsy ever intends to be good, I think having it work with wired connections might be a good idea.  Maybe.
[11:51] <nemik> nr5-ubuntu: no clue i suppose i could try it
[11:51] <Do``> eh
[11:51] <Do``> the default system font in gusty changed
[11:51] <nosrednaekim> nemik: tell me the results please.
[11:51] <Do``> now everything is weird looking and twice as big
[11:52] <Do``> where can i change the default font settings?
[11:52] <Ryo> Go to system-> Preferences -> Themes.
[11:52] <Ryo> sorry, appearance, not themes.
[11:52] <Do``> and what was this setting in feisty? :D
[11:53] <Ryo> I don't remember, sorry.  But play around with it till it makes you happy.  Go to the fonts tab.
[11:53] <Do``> hm
[11:54] <Ryo> Dropping the DPI to 100 or 96 helps alot.
[11:54] <Do``> hm
[11:54] <Ryo> that's in details.
[11:54] <Do``> changing the main font from 11pt to 10pt solved most of it
[11:54] <Ryo> kay :P
[11:55] <Do``> but gnome commander shows the contents with a very weird fixed fidth font now
[11:55] <Ryo> Try a different font.
[11:56] <Ryo> I've always liked Jamrul, personally.
[11:56] <Do``> gnome commander didnt change
[11:56] <Ryo> A lot of terminal programs can have independant fonts.
[11:57] <Do``> gnome commander isnt a terminal program :D
[11:58] <Ryo> Oh.  Sorry.  What exactly is it then?
[11:58] <Do``> a twin-panel file manager
[11:58] <Do``> like total commander and krusader and norton commander from the old times
[11:58] <Ryo> Ah.  Are there font settings in its preferences?
[11:59] <nr5-ubuntu> what would you say... downgrading just because of Xgl server?
[11:59] <Ryo> Downgrading what just because of XGL?
[11:59] <Ryo> Back to feisty?
[12:00] <nr5-ubuntu> yes chances are, that xgl in another version is linked to some older (stable) mesa libGLcore
[12:01] <Ryo> If you want to downgrade, be my guest.  I can help things sometimes.
[12:02] <Do``> Ryo: i found it, it's all working and stuff
[12:02] <Do``> but none of the changes have any effect on gnome commander
[12:03] <Do``> which they should because gnome commander doesnt have a font settings option
[12:03] <Ryo> Gnome commander must have a little independence from the GTK theme engine, either that or it just isn't fully worked in yet.  You might have to just tolerate it for now.
[12:03] <nr5-ubuntu> Ryo then what do you say about my way of doing this: vi /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get -u upgrade
[12:05] <Ryo> as far as upgrading goes, I just do the commands one at a time.  Plus, I don't see why you put vi /etc/apt/sources.list in.
[12:05] <Ryo> also, apt-get commands have to be run with "sudo" in front.
[12:05] <nr5-ubuntu> ryo hmm because it is faster for me to use VI than booting some of this synaptic suite
[12:06] <Ryo> I personally like to use nano if I'm editing sources.list.  Although you should only ever have to open it if you're changing it.
[12:06] <Do``> Ryo: found it, it works :)
[12:07] <Ryo> Do'' Yay ^.^  Glad I could be of at least some help
[12:08] <nr5-ubuntu> ryo i do have to change gutsy to feisty in order to downgrade, right?
[12:08] <Ryo> that's correct, allthough I'm not sure you can downgrade with apt readily.
[12:08] <Do``> now a new issue raised its hand
[12:08] <Do``> The following packages have been kept back:  traceroute
[12:08] <Ryo> what you could do, however, is have the feisty repos available
[12:08] <nr5-ubuntu> apt-get -u upgrade or dist-upgrade and whats the difference?
[12:09] <Do``> what should i do with it?
[12:09] <nr5-ubuntu> ryo really? can i provide both in my sources list?
[12:09] <Ryo> do'' and nr5-ubuntu:  Dist-upgrade is different because it can go past files that are "kept back".  use it if you're doing major upgrades.
[12:10] <nr5-ubuntu> or downgrade?
[12:10] <Ryo> nr5-ubutnu-  Theoretically, yes you can, and you can use those repos to downgrade specific packages.
[12:10] <nr5-ubuntu> ryo wow i'd prefer it like that, it would save a lot of time
[12:10] <Ryo> Because if two versions of a package are available, synaptic allows you to change versions.
[12:11] <Marco> what package contains the kernel sources?
[12:12] <Ryo> There's multiple versions of it.
[12:12] <nr5-ubuntu> marco linux-source
[12:24] <Ryo> nr5-ubuntu just to note, I just tested, and it does work to keep both feisty and gutsy repos and use feisty for downgrades when needed.
[12:25] <Ryo> I'm going to go for now, I'm bored.
[12:30] <Pici> Is anyone having intermittant issues with libnotify not working from scripts?
[12:34] <DanaG> I've had issues with NetworkManager not connecting with ipw3945, yet it surprisingly works with iwl3945.


[18:26] <minimal> problems with the CI? I'm seeing several python versions' unit tests failing for a new PR I just opened
[18:43] <holmanb> minimal: FS_LABELS and ISO9660_DEVS look like intermediary values that get used to detect which cloud is used
[18:43] <holmanb> agreed it is duplication of work to get that in both ds-identify and in cloud-init python code
[18:45] <holmanb> definitely an opportunity for improvement - though I think we'd want to think hard about how best to share data with cloud-init's python code before doing it
[18:45] <holmanb> minimal: tests pass locally with your PR, I'll rerun the github actions jobs
[18:45] <minimal> holmanb: yeah I'm not really seeing many benefits for using ds-identify vs just setting datasource_list to a small subset
[18:46] <minimal> can't see WHY the CI is failing as the logs are so huge my laptop's fan is going like a hurricane
[18:46] <holmanb> minimal: agreed - if you don't mind modifying your image then setting datasource_list then there isn't much benefit as it is now
[18:47] <holmanb> minimal: the real benefit imo is to not have to modify your image in the first place
[18:47] <minimal> I'm not modifying it, I'm setting datasource_list as part of *creating* the disk image ;-)
[18:48] <minimal> anyway I'm still testing ds-identify here
[18:48] <minimal> I can see it being useful for "generic" disk images but then not sure that would work well with my thought of packaging each DS as a separate subpackage
[18:50] <holmanb> Agreed - if you're creating a disk image for a known datasource, there isn't much benefit
[18:51] <holmanb> but also if you have a single datasource in your datasource list, ds-identify trusts the image builder and skips the checks
[18:52] <minimal> basically I'm currently wondering if I can create Alpine subpackages like "cloud-init-ds-aws", "cloud-init-ds-azure" etc with the relevant sources code moved out from the main package
[18:53] <minimal> and then have cloud-init having a dep on "cloud-init-ds-all" to pull them all in but it could be overriden by doing "apk add cloud-init cloud-init-ds-aws"
[18:53] <holmanb> ahhh, I see
[18:55] <holmanb> my guess is that it would be really hard to untangle tests in the subpackages
[18:55] <holmanb> but if you don't care about that it probably wouldn't be too hard
[18:55] <holmanb> but still a lot of work
[18:55] <holmanb> I guess that would get you a really "minimal" build ;)
[18:58] <minimal> well there's approx 1 MB of DS sources + whatever size the pyc files are too, so being able to only install a single DS would shrink things a bit. Having separate DS packages would also allow me to set per-DS deps which I can't do currently
[18:58] <holmanb> minimal: if you do that you might want a way to have ds-identify only run if cloud-init-ds-all is installed (or if more than one of the -{aws,azure,etc} subpackages are installed)
[18:59] <minimal> yeah I'm still thinking things through
[18:59] <minimal> anyway I'm still going to submit my ds-identify changes anyway
[19:00] <minimal> just need to get a couple of other PRs out to the way first
[19:00] <holmanb> just re-kicked the CI for you
[19:01] <minimal> thanks
[19:01] <minimal> it's a fairly simple PR so was surprised when it had CI errors
[19:03] <minimal> nope, it's failing again
[19:05] <holmanb> ah, this might be an updated dependency issue actually
[19:06] <holmanb> I just ran again against your branch with tox -r -e py3 and I see failures
[19:08] <holmanb> yeah jsonschema just pushed release 4.21.0
[19:08] <holmanb> and the failing tests are schema related
[19:08] <holmanb> I'll try to get a fix in shortly and ping you minimal
[19:09] <minimal> ah right. I didn't check tox before pushing as the change was minor lol
[19:09] <minimal> thanks
[19:40] <holmanb> no worries
[19:41] <holmanb> I didn't see it the first time I checked your PR either because I normally don't run unittests with -r (because it takes longer and dependency changes are infrequent)
[19:45] <holmanb> minimal: just merged the fix - you'll need to rebase on the tip of main and push again to get tests to run with the pinned dependency
[20:06] <minimal> holmanb: ok, let me do that
[22:27] <holmanb> 2024 cloud-init release schedule is posted here: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/2024-cloud-init-release-schedule/41679
[23:36] <minimal> ok, so more 1 month to get several more PRs raised and merged ;-)
[23:42] <meena> I need to get the run vs var/run stuff fixed until then