[03:15] <mike-w> Wolfwood: totem-xine
[03:15] <sardopsycho> xmms?
[03:15] <Stormx2> sardopsycho: Use a player which has mp3 support in-the-box, like Audacious :)
[03:15] <null> mplayer
[03:15] <s|k> hatake_kakashi, do you know know what the other relevant packages might be?
[03:15] <Wolfwood> And I want to try VLC, but it's not listed in yum for some odd reason
[03:15] <holycow> hatake_kakashi, thx
[03:15] <QMario> I don't see why Office software should cost over $2NN where you can get OpenOffice2 for Ubuntu for free. :)
[03:15] <s|k> or where I could find them?
[03:15] <Wolfwood> Ah, so xine is an add-on for totem?
[03:15] <corvax> i like banshee
[03:15] <directhex> QMario, because people will pay
[03:15] <holycow> Wolfwood, yum? wtf? go back to #suse.  this is ubuntu
[03:15] <directhex> Wolfwood, no, xine has been around for years more than totem
[03:15] <Wolfwood> Heh, relax..
[03:15] <Wolfwood> OK
[03:15] <dhanny> i confuse.. :(
[03:16] <null> get amarok :)
[03:16] <carlk> how can I see the SMART stats for my IDE drive?
[03:16] <hatake_kakashi> s|k: well first get gcc3.4.5 and then try getting that latest nvidia, if it complains about this and that missing, you are pretty much left to get those and give it a shot
[03:16] <Wolfwood> I know this is ubuntu. I got to know it since I had ubuntu installed.
[03:16] <QMario> Holycow, what is "yum"?
[03:16] <corvax> its all about choice
[03:16] <corvax> lol
[03:16] <Wolfwood> yum is a lot like apt-get
[03:16] <directhex> dhanny, did you apt-get install apt-proxy on your server machine yet?
[03:16] <holycow> QMario, a shitty excuse for an installer
[03:16] <Wolfwood> Same syntax and function
[03:16] <s|k> okay I'll try it hatake_kakashi, thanks
[03:16] <hatake_kakashi> QMario: its a rpm front-end
[03:16] <Stormx2> oh boy i know why it won't boot into gnome
[03:16] <Kr4t05> Someone refresh my memory, what is that package would I use to execute terminal commands on a remote machine?
[03:17] <Wolfwood> ssh?
[03:17] <Stormx2> ssh?
[03:17] <corvax> try this from the cli wolf  sudo apt-get moo
[03:17] <directhex> yum is the yellowdog update manager, for yellow dog linux. it's an attempt at adding apt-style functionality to rpm
[03:17] <Kr4t05> Wolfwood: Yes
[03:17] <hatake_kakashi> Kr4t05: ssh and sshd is daemon
[03:17] <Kr4t05> Wolfwood: it was on the tip of my tongue. :P
[03:17] <dhanny> directhex, it still downloading right now..
[03:17] <dhanny> my bandwith very slow.. :(
[03:17] <sardopsycho> ok, I have the Multiverse and Universe repository's activated, I got totem-xie, the w32codecs, and both Totem and Rhythmbox will not play MP3's, Divx, XviD, etc..  Did I miss a download???
[03:17] <Wolfwood> not just YDL though, since Fedora Core 4 PPC uses it as well.. Did YDL develop it?
[03:17] <Kr4t05> kakashi: Naruto fan?
[03:17] <carlk> Kr4t05: do you have the sshd server installed on the remote box?
[03:17] <Stormx2> where is the configuration file which manages the GNOME session (specificly, the startup programs)
[03:17] <sixtymhz> buntu no jitsu!!
[03:18] <fossa> that is a $460 monitor!
[03:18] <Kr4t05> carlk: not yet
[03:18] <Kr4t05> carlk: It's on my to-do list
[03:18] <hatake_kakashi> Kr4t05: *sigh* yes but not a fan of the main character :p
[03:18] <dhanny> Hey.. why Naruto so much filler in it?
[03:18] <dhanny> sorry.. oot :D
[03:18] <sixtymhz> Gantz fans anyone?? :P
[03:18] <Kr4t05> kakashi: Me neither. Shikamaru, all the way! :P
[03:18] <carlk> Kr4t05: on the remote box, you need to install package: openssh-server
[03:18] <hatake_kakashi> <--- > * :)
[03:18] <Kr4t05> carlk: Thanks
[03:18] <sixtymhz> <3 Kr4t05
[03:18] <jvai> my-totem-xine will play mp3
[03:18] <directhex> fossa, true, but it's also got 50% more screen real-estate, since it's got a sensible resolution
[03:18] <sardopsycho> anyone?
[03:19] <Kr4t05> sixtymhz: Thanks...?
[03:19] <LjL> dhanny: if you have so little bandwidth, i really don't see how you could have a chance of mirroring even just the main repository! :\
[03:19] <sixtymhz> Shikamaru is the shadow jitsu right?
[03:19] <HymnToLife> Naruto stinks :/
[03:19] <directhex> LjL, (which is why he should use apt-proxy)
[03:19] <dhanny> directhex, it installed right now.. then what?
[03:19] <LjL> dhanny: but what's the problem anyway, you've got more than one computer with ubuntu?
[03:19] <sixtymhz> Its been ahile since I read Naruto.
[03:19] <hatake_kakashi> sixtymhz: no.. I think its the one with the dog
[03:19] <sixtymhz> almost two years.
[03:19] <LjL> directhex: guess so but i'm still missing something here
[03:19] <sixtymhz> Which one is the shadow one?
[03:19] <Kr4t05> sixtymhz: I believe, that and he's a Chuunin... unlike Naruto and the others. :]
[03:19] <sixtymhz> Thats my fav.
[03:19] <Wolfwood> Got a 60MHz machine, sixtymhz?
[03:19] <Wolfwood> Reminds me of the first Power Mac
[03:19] <cyne> hi all! just wanted to say, i'm back to Ubuntu and it rocks :)
[03:20] <sixtymhz> Wolfwood : at one time I think I did :P
[03:20] <Wolfwood> Heh
[03:20] <hatake_kakashi> sixtymhz: hmm.. I forgot lol, its been awhile since I last watched it as well heh
[03:20] <Kr4t05> Wolfwood: I'm installing Xubuntu to a 200MHz machine. :)
[03:20] <sixtymhz> congrats cyne !
[03:20] <Wolfwood> Ah
[03:20] <directhex> dhanny, on the machines you want to update on, as root, edit /etc/apt/sources.list, and change "http://archivefoo.ubuntu.com/ubuntu" to "http://yourserverhostnameorip:9999/ubuntu"
[03:20] <hatake_kakashi> or maybe Shikamaru is the shadow one
[03:20] <sixtymhz> Kr4t05 : lemmie know how that works out plz.
[03:20] <Kr4t05> Fun
[03:20] <cyne> my friends couldn't believe it that i was in windows and 20 minutes later i was talking to them in Ubuntu on IRC
[03:20] <sixtymhz> Kr4t05 : Is shikamaru the shadow one?
[03:20] <fossa> will ubuntu recognize an ethernet port on boot, if it isn't connected during install?
[03:20] <Wolfwood> I have a 180 MHz Starmax sitting around, and the next highest I have is my iMac 233 MHz.
[03:20] <dhanny> i plan to bring my server to my friend office to make a mirror for the first time.. then bring it back to my office, and run the mirroring every night, not every time.. i think it could save my bandwith.. :D
[03:20] <corvax> wodo ya have the gstreamer0.8-mad ?
[03:21] <corvax> do you*
[03:21] <Kr4t05> sixtymhz: Compiling takes just a little while...  (I'm not sure, I haven't watched Naruto in ages.)
[03:21] <directhex> dhanny, use the hostname if you can talk about your server by hostname (i.e. if "ping servername" works), else use the ip address
[03:21] <corvax> for mp3
[03:21] <carlk> Kr4t05: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu - good for old box
[03:21] <directhex> dhanny, for security updates, use "http:///yourserverhostnameorip:9999/ubuntu-security"
[03:21] <Kr4t05> carlk: I'm installing it.
[03:21] <Kr4t05> carlk: Right now.
[03:21] <cyne> if i put a new graphics card in my PC will Ubuntu recognise it on boot?
[03:21] <sixtymhz> Kr4t05 : yeah thats is the one.  He is my fav.
[03:21] <HymnToLife> cyne> no
[03:22] <carlk> Kr4t05: I also have seen ubuntu-lite, but not sure what the diff is - you know?
[03:22] <dhanny> directhex, how about in the server which i installed apt-proxy?
[03:22] <HymnToLife> you'll have to dpkg-reconfigure
[03:22] <Kr4t05> sixtymhz: :)
[03:22] <cyne> HymnToLife, that's all?
[03:22] <HymnToLife> yes
[03:22] <directhex> dhanny, apt-proxy comes with a sensible default config. you can just leave it
[03:22] <cyne> nice
[03:22] <HymnToLife> run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:22] <Wolfwood> I was wondering whether xfce was yet another desktop environment after I saw it listed in yum.   Did I miss a download???
[03:24] <Rug> Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?
[03:24] <HymnToLife> !mp3
[03:24] <ubotu> [mp3]  a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:24] <corvax> sard try this
[03:24] <directhex> dhanny, then you can just aptitude update & aptitude dist-upgrade as per usual on your workstation machines - it will get an updated package list from the proxy (which may or may not get one from the web), and updated packages as needed (from the proxy, or maybe the web if needed)
[03:24] <corvax> get gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:24] <sixtymhz> holycow : I dont need to uninstall anything... but somepeople need a liter version.  So its good to know where to point those people into the right direction.
[03:24] <LjL> holycow: i don't know what you mean, but please either stop using that kind of language, or leave
[03:24] <s|k> hatake_kakashi, I try sudo apt-get install  build-essential gcc gcc-3.4.5
[03:24] <s|k>  but I get E: Couldn't find package gcc-3.4.5
[03:24] <directhex> dhanny, and you can apt-get install stuff too - the proxy will download the right packages if it needs to, or send something from its cache if it has it
[03:24] <_wd3_>  hi
[03:24] <crimsun> it's gcc-3.4
[03:25] <s|k> :|
[03:25] <sixtymhz> hey _wd3_ : How is the install?
[03:25] <s|k> hatake_kakashi, was saying it's 3.4.5
[03:25] <holycow> sixtymhz, there is no such thing as a lite version, the term makes no sense whatsoever in relationship to debian
[03:25] <s|k> that's whyat cat /proc/version tells me
[03:25] <pbransford> can anyone recommend a good firewall utility (that starts on boot, not on X loading) other than using a startup script?
[03:25] <holycow> or debian like distros
[03:25] <s|k> hat*
[03:25] <Kr4t05> carlk: Ubuntu-Lite: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=98233
[03:25] <sixtymhz> holycow : www.ubuntulite.org
[03:25] <green_earz> pbransford: shorewall
[03:25] <Rug> holycow: perhaps you are thinking of a 'server' install.
[03:25] <pavlovsdog> !info lokkit
[03:25] <sixtymhz> Please get educated before you start talking.
[03:25] <hatake_kakashi> crimsun: s|k needs to get the one that's been precompiled to match kernel one.. funny how ubuntu never include it in their repos -_-
[03:25] <ubotu> lokkit: (basic interactive firewall configuration tool (console interface)), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 0.50.22-5 (breezy), Packaged size: 124 kB, Installed size: 796 kB
[03:25] <s|k> hatake_kakashi, where do I get it? :0
[03:25] <dhanny>  oo... i understand right now.. so we do nothing in the machine where apt-proxy installed
[03:26] <holycow> sixtymhz, you have got to be kidding me? people actually create a page for ubuntu lite?
[03:26] <holycow> sixtymhz, well i stand corrected
[03:26] <pbransford> green_earz, got a GUI configuration?
[03:26] <dfTh> !wmv
[03:26] <directhex> dhanny, right
[03:26] <ubotu> rumour has it, restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[03:26] <holycow> stupidity knows no bounds
[03:26] <crimsun> hatake_kakashi: huh? You mean the one I just mentioned?
[03:26] <dfTh> !FreeFormats
[03:26] <ubotu> There are a large number of Free Formats which are preferred over patent and copyright encumbered formats. They are listed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeFormats
[03:26] <hatake_kakashi> s|k: you may have to get it from googling, its in the gnu gcc repos I think
[03:26] <LjL> holycow: precisely. arrogance too.
[03:26] <s|k> okay hatake_kakashi thanks
[03:26] <sardopsycho> alright, strike that....I got Totem to play MP3s - but not Rhythmbox...any ideas?
[03:26] <dhanny> now i have these two lines i my workstation source.list:
[03:26] <sixtymhz> I still <3 holycow and don't stop talking dirty to me.
[03:26] <hatake_kakashi> crimsun: yes, gcc3.4 will not be suitable for the latest nvidia-kernel to be compiled, they are that specific.. not even 4.0.1
[03:26] <pbransford> Am i the only one that thinks no firewall in ubuntu is stupid? even if you dont need it you should ALWAYS have one
[03:26] <ruzgar> !wine
[03:27] <dhanny> deb http://<IP_ADDRESS>:9999/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted
[03:27] <fossa> this is high level tech help. you could be walking your wife's relative through windows update. oh wait, that's what I'm doing on the phone right now.
[03:27] <LjL> dhanny: basically when you install a package on your client *or* on your server, apt-cache will cache it, so that if you later install the same package on the other machine, it won't have to be downloaded
[03:27] <_wd3_> sixty i loss the last message from u , i want to fdisk then reformat a hd that had linux on it, how?
[03:27] <crimsun> hatake_kakashi: it's been suitable afaik
[03:27] <dhanny> deb http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted
[03:27] <hatake_kakashi> pbransford: its not that ubuntu doesn't have firewall.. it does, however its not configured
[03:27] <dhanny> o..
[03:27] <Rug> pbransford: why? if there are zero open ports in a default install, then a firewall will do nothing
[03:27] <pbransford> hatake_kakashi, thats what i meant
[03:27] <Stormx2> Yay! GNOME is back!!
[03:27] <dhanny> ok..
[03:27] <dhanny> :)
[03:27] <holycow> LjL, its is a terrible disservice to let misconceptions about how this stuff works lurk around.  things like ubuntu lite are the height or idiocy.  those of you that have the time and inclination should work a wee bit harder to allow for knowledge to bloom, not misinformation to spread
[03:27] <ruzgar> is there a emulator better than wine?
[03:27] <directhex> dhanny, change the bottom line to say "ubuntu-security". otherwise, that's fine#
[03:27] <hatake_kakashi> crimsun: no its not, try compiling the latest nvidia module yourself and you would know what I mean
[03:27] <pbransford> Rug, how often does a default install stay a default install
[03:27] <sixtymhz> _wd3_ : Someone might be able to help you because I do not have the time to walk you through since I am about to leave.
[03:28] <Rug> ruzgar: cedega or vmware
[03:28] <holycow> at best ubuntu lite should be a section in the wiki
[03:28] <_wd3_> sixy thanx
[03:28] <Stormx2> What is ubuntu lite?
[03:28] <crimsun> hatake_kakashi: it does work here.
[03:28] <Wolfwood> I suppose I'll install xfce4 just to have a gnome alternative, just in case.
[03:28] <ruzgar> ok
[03:28] <LjL> holycow: whatever. that you disagree with something or someone doesn't mean you have to insult that something or someone. that's all i care about in the context of this channel. so, please keep a lower profile.
[03:28] <ruzgar> is cedega free?
[03:28] <Rug> pbransford: at that time you could install/setup a firewall
[03:28] <hatake_kakashi> pbransford: well they left it unconfigured so that people can set it up themselves later. Its to prevent un-necessary hassles and frustrations
[03:28] <hatake_kakashi> ruzgar: no
[03:28] <ruzgar> !cedega
[03:28] <ruzgar> ok
[03:28] <mike-w> anyone know how to resolve vnc client issues?
[03:28] <Wolfwood> A hammer
[03:28] <holycow> LjL, or what?
[03:28] <hatake_kakashi> crimsun: which version do you have? and did you compile the kernel with gcc3.4?
[03:28] <Wolfwood> Oh wait, that's Microsoft issues..
[03:28] <dhanny> what is the differst between "dapper-security" and "ubuntu-security", i use "dapper-security" by floowing the default in the source.list
[03:28] <holycow> LjL, i dare you
[03:28] <Rug> Wolfwood: I prefer Xfce too
[03:28] <crimsun> hatake_kakashi: I've also been doing this since before Nvidia had a decent kbuild system, so I'm aware of ignoring $CC.
[03:29] <LjL> holycow: or nothing. i said "please", no?
[03:29] <Wolfwood> I can't say I prefer it yet - never have used it. I will though.
[03:29] <Stormx2> holycow, LjL, make love not war
[03:29] <pbransford> hatake_kakashi, a simple option during installation (block incomming connections with firewall or do not touch?)
[03:29] <ruzgar> !vmware
[03:29] <pbransford> Something.
[03:29] <directhex> ruzgar, last i checked, it was 9 with 3 months' support, support is 3 a month subsequently. you only get updates if you have a valid support contract
[03:29] <nalioth> holycow: LjL: #ubuntu-offtopic please
[03:29] <crimsun> hatake_kakashi: I'm on Dapper, and I don't even use Nvidia.
[03:29] <pavlovsdog> crimsun: you want the kernel-headers
[03:29] <pavlovsdog> oh nm
[03:29] <crimsun> heh.
[03:29] <LjL> nalioth: please grep the logs before thinking we're just discussing about something. i think holycow should understand what this channel is about.
[03:29] <_wd3_> holycow i how can i fdisk a hd that had linux on it to reformat it? right now the bios shows it but when i use win98 disk it doesn't shw up a d: drive.
[03:29] <directhex> dhanny, you just want it to say "http://<IP_ADDRESS>:9999/ubuntu-security dapper-security main restricted" on your bottom line
[03:29] <hatake_kakashi> crimsun: well, I used to think of the method of having to get the one suitable for it because nvidia is so b*tchy over small things like that
[03:30] <wastrel> LjL:  this channel is logged?  heh i should be more careful what i say
[03:30] <fossa> maybe you coudl boot a livecd then use the linux version of fdisk
[03:30] <ruzgar> !totem
[03:30] <Stormx2> wastrel: Big brother :P
[03:30] <ubotu> What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, ruzgar
[03:30] <hatake_kakashi> pbransford: if you set that on during installation, you may end up not being able to check for the correct repos, etc
[03:30] <holycow> wd3 the easiest thing in gnome is to use gnomeparted gui, in kde qtparted
[03:30] <Stormx2> ruzgar: please... /msg ubotu <word>
[03:30] <wastrel> Stormx2:  well their logs aren't available to the public ;]
[03:30] <Wolfwood> !totem
[03:30] <LjL> wastrel: "log" is a way of saying... it's logged as long as someone's logging it, or at least as long as i can scroll back :)
[03:30] <crimsun> wastrel: yes, it is.
[03:30] <Wolfwood> Gee, have to wait 15 seconds. That's nice.
[03:30] <holycow> wd3 super easy to get rid of boot sector and reformat.  you should be able to reformat with ntfs too, or fat32 if your doing win98
[03:30] <Wolfwood> !totem
[03:30] <ubotu> Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Wolfwood
[03:31] <QMario> What is the DCC exploit?
[03:31] <purplefeltangel> in the Network Tools dialog, what does "location" do?
[03:31] <Wolfwood> Yeah, what is that?
[03:31] <crimsun> wastrel: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
[03:31] <nalioth> QMario: a free k-line for its users
[03:31] <LjL> QMario: something you should worry about if you're using a NetGear router.
[03:31] <holycow> purplefeltangel, it lets you set up multiple network configurations
[03:31] <pbransford> hatake_kakashi, then the user setting it should know better. OK, only add the option to expert install?
[03:31] <pavlovsdog> it's a four letter word
[03:31] <holycow> purplefeltangel, for example you can setup home and office, both of which would have different configs typically
[03:31] <purplefeltangel> holycow: oh, thanks
[03:32] <hatake_kakashi> pbransford: probably, but try consulting that with the ubuntu-devs first
[03:32] <QMario> Hello nalioth!!! ;)
[03:32] <_wd3_> i can't get ubuntu up , after last 3 installs it ask for user and pass, well after i type info it brings me to the root or "name$"
[03:32] <wastrel> crimsun:  i shall commence self censorship in the hope of avoiding public ridicule ;]
[03:32] <nalioth> hi Q
[03:32] <pavlovsdog> lol
[03:33] <Stormx2> remind me, when is dapper due?
[03:33] <directhex> dhanny, it's half past 2 in the morning. are you all sorted?
[03:33] <xapaho> hi -- could you please help me with grub and linux multiboot ? i did let sarge installer format my /boot (I already know that I'm a idiot), and grub won't start since then (prints endless "GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB...." messages).
[03:33] <HymnToLife> _wd3_> you mean it asks you to type the user/passwd again and again during install ?
[03:33] <LjL> !tell Stormx2 about dapper
[03:33] <pavlovsdog> _wd3_: gdm isn't loading is what you have there i think
[03:33] <_wd3_> yes
[03:33] <_wd3_> hymm yes
[03:33] <purplefeltangel> on evolution i keep getting an error message that says something like "unable to sync inbox and summary" or something, and some of my messages are showing up twice . . . anyone have any idea whats wrong?
[03:33] <_wd3_> pavlovsdog thanx also
[03:33] <HymnToLife> _wd3_> is by any chance your /home partition mounted to a fat32 ?
[03:34] <LjL> ho-ho-home mounted as far32? brrrrr
[03:34] <pavlovsdog> _wd3_: wht happens if you type startx after you log into that weird looking root or "name$"
[03:34] <_wd3_> hymm it  was a fresh formated fat32 then i installed ubuntu
[03:34] <holycow> wd3 then you cant do it in ubuntu, you need another utility for this ... there are a bunch of online free utilities for this, ithink fdisk from a win98 bootdisk might do this? not sure i only use linux i have no clue about windows anymore
[03:35] <pavlovsdog> oh nm
[03:35] <HymnToLife> so that's it
[03:35] <HymnToLife> _wd3_> your /home MUST be ext3
[03:35] <_wd3_> hymm it is ext3 and my swap is config also
[03:35] <holycow> wd3 what i do is i have a hard drive tray on my usb port, i drop an hd in and use the tools i mentioned to do similar things, sounds like you are trying to do this for a drive that is slave or is primary drive
[03:36] <corvax> mine is resizerfs
[03:36] <pavlovsdog> ok wd40 type startx
[03:36] <HymnToLife> welwhatever FS Linux can write natively
[03:36] <holycow> wd3 if you can i would recommend is booting your system off of a different hd, and having that drive as slave/secondary master/whatever, then using either windows or linux tools to do that
[03:36] <_wd3_> holycow ur good, yes the hd with linux on it is slave i inserted win98 disk but the hd doesn't show up as d:
[03:37] <liquidindian> Hi, can anyone help me?  my USB hard drive has suddenly stopped being recognised.  When I try to mount all, I get the message /dev/sda1 does not exist...
[03:37] <dhanny> directhex, should i configure the source.list in the apt-proxy server??
[03:37] <holycow> wd3 correct, it cannot see the partitions ... but it should show up under system something or other.  you should be able to download windows tools that can see the device, reformat it an dmount it under windows
[03:37] <corvax> i like to use  boot and nuke
[03:37] <_wd3_> holycow when i boot up win2k the linux hd doesn't even show up
[03:37] <corvax> to wpe a drive
[03:37] <HymnToLife> _wd3_> Win can't read linux FS natively
[03:37] <HymnToLife> there are tools to do that hough
[03:38] <holycow> wd3 it doesn't show up as d, but if you right click on my computer, select manage, to to system tools or whatever, the device should show up
[03:38] <corvax> dban
[03:38] <dhanny> directhex, should i configure the source.list in the apt-proxy server same as the workstation???
[03:38] <holycow> wd3 windows just can't mount the file system but it can see the device for sure
[03:38] <_wd3_> hymm and holy thanks i'll try that .
[03:38] <HymnToLife> holycow> it can
[03:38] <directhex> dhanny, you can if you want. there's no major reason to
[03:38] <HymnToLife> not natively but there are tools to do it
[03:38] <directhex> dhanny, are the clients behaving as you expect them to?
[03:38] <_wd3_> hymm what tools
[03:39] <LjL> directhex, dhanny: uh, what would be the reason of *using* apt-proxy if that is not done? :o)
[03:39] <corvax> there is an ext2 and ext3 driver
[03:39] <corvax> for win
[03:39] <LjL> _wd3_: google for "ext2 windows", you'll find - i think - three
[03:39] <_wd3_> holycow the bios sees the hd when it boots but in win
[03:40] <_wd3_> ljl thanks
[03:40] <holycow> wd3, your mixing up your terminology
[03:40] <holycow> windows 'sees' the device
[03:40] <liquidindian> Anyone know where my hard drive might be if not at /dev/sda1?
[03:40] <holycow> wd3, windows just doesn't know what to do with the partition information so it cannot MOUNT it as d:
[03:40] <holycow> get it?
[03:40] <LjL> liquidindian: /dev/hda1 if it's IDE
[03:40] <HymnToLife> _wd3_> http://ext2fsd.sourceforge.net/#ext2fsd
[03:40] <holycow> i.e. it doesn't show up as d: but its there
[03:40] <LjL> liquidindian: or something other than "1" if it's not primary master, first partition, i guess
[03:40] <_wd3_> holy yes ur ok
[03:40] <_wd3_> hymm thanks
[03:40] <liquidindian> LjL, it's a USB drive.
[03:41] <corvax> http://www.fs-driver.org/download.html
[03:41] <LjL> liquidindian: oh, then i don't quite have a suggestion other than /dev/sda1
[03:41] <dhanny> right now i installed apt-proxy in the machine (as server) which using Ubuntu Breezy, but all of my workstation is using Dapper Drake, it is necesary to configure the server?
[03:41] <directhex> LjL, on the apt-proxy machine, makes no difference. apt-proxy uses /var/cache/apt/archives for its cache, so if you update the proxy itself, there's no difference whether the updates come straight frmo archive.ubuntu.com (and into /var/cache/apt/archive), or from the proxy (which, running locally, is sticking things into, um, /var/cache/apt/archive)
[03:41] <purplefeltangel> in evolution i got this error: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9737
[03:41] <holycow> wd3 in the time you took to ask these questions you could of googled up the links they just gave you tho :)
[03:41] <purplefeltangel> can someone help?
[03:41] <directhex> dhanny, no. apt-proxy will just work
[03:41] <jerware> fellaz
[03:42] <_wd3_> holy thanks
[03:42] <LjL> directhex: oh, i see
[03:42] <jonolsonroll2000> holycow, I should put a perma message on my gaim "Did you try google first?" ;)
[03:42] <lampshade> anyone know why I would get less battery life with linux than with windows?  I'm trying to figure this out because it has been cut by nearly and hour
[03:42] <holycow> jonolsonroll2000, yeah it requires a remarkable amount of energy to retrain users to google, its fine tho
[03:43] <dhanny> ok..
[03:43] <wastrel> jonolsonroll2000:  you're using gaim for irc?
[03:43] <dhanny> admin@sta41:~$ sudo apt-get update \
[03:43] <dhanny> Get: 1 http://lserver dapper Release.gpg [189B]
[03:43] <jonolsonroll2000> wastrel, No sir.
[03:43] <jonolsonroll2000> wastrel, I was referring more to my friends who ask me questions a lot.
[03:43] <dhanny> horeeeeeeee... it work.......
[03:43] <_wd3_> brb
[03:43] <wastrel> oic.  :]
[03:44] <poningru> is there one command to kill X?
[03:44] <kairu0> how stable/unstable is dapper right now?
[03:44] <dhanny> it updateing right now.. via apt-proxy server.. :D
[03:44] <LjL> poningru: what about ctrl+alt+backspace? or you actually need a command?
[03:44] <Rug> ctrl + alt + backspace
[03:44] <pavlovsdog> /etc/init.d/?dm stop
[03:44] <poningru> that just restarts
[03:44] <poningru> I need to kill it
[03:44] <directhex> dhanny, good good. can i go to bed now?
[03:44] <LjL> poningru: then what pavlovsdog said
[03:44] <poningru> oh ok
[03:44] <dhanny> kairu), i still dont know.. i just install it last night
[03:44] <Rug> Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?
[03:45] <wastrel> heh
[03:45] <baasnad> hello
[03:45] <poningru> yeah stuart
[03:45] <jonolsonroll2000> westrel, Although I thought but never explored that there was IRC on gaim?
[03:45] <poningru> he is a mozilla hacker
[03:45] <pavlovsdog> yuk yuk yuk ... yuck
[03:45] <dhanny> ok.. thank you so much directhex..... I love you!!! :))
[03:45] <s|k> why doen't they have the correct gcc version in the repository?
[03:45] <elkbuntu> Rug, lol that was a pun in itself
[03:45] <s|k> my kernel is built with 3.4.5 and all they have in the repository is 3.4
[03:45] <Rug> yes, thankyou
[03:45] <kairu0> dhanny, any problems yet?
[03:45] <poningru> s|k: um...
[03:45] <wastrel> jonolsonroll2000:  there is an irc plugin but it's not like a full featured irc client
[03:45] <s|k> I'm looking at these compiling instructions for 3.4.5 and I'm just lost
[03:45] <dhanny> kairu0, not yet.. it still updating the package list.. :)
[03:46] <poningru> Se7h: would you mind turning that stuff off?
[03:46] <kairu0> haha ok
[03:46] <LjL> gcc-3.4 (GCC) 3.4.5 20050809 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 3.4.4-6ubuntu8)
[03:46] <LjL> s|k: "gcc-3.4 --version" gives ^^
[03:46] <jonolsonroll2000> wastrel, Ah, K.
[03:46] <poningru> s|k: 3.4 and 3.4.5 should be the same
[03:46] <Se7h> poningru sure it was a mistaken mouse click
[03:46] <Se7h> sorry
[03:46] <baasnad> Where would be a good place for me to read to find out how to make the Gnome dropdown menus update with all of the applications that I just downloaded / updated?
[03:46] <dhanny> just in one computer.. i shoul try update in anothe workstion after this one finished, so i could see if the apt-proxy work or not.. :)
[03:46] <poningru> there should only be minor bug fixes
[03:46] <poningru> Se7h: np
[03:46] <s|k> poningru, hatake_kakashi tells me they're not
[03:46] <s|k> :/
[03:47] <poningru> hmm
[03:47] <directhex> dhanny, if you like. i think you see how it works now, at any rate
[03:47] <LjL> s|k: oh well, *my* gcc-3.4 from the repository definitely reports itself as version 3.4.5 as you can see
[03:47] <poningru> yeah my breezy one does too
[03:47] <dhanny> yeah.. :)
[03:47] <Se7h> this thing od the external hd going into 'sleep-mode' is realy annoying
[03:48] <Se7h> does anyone knows how to solve this?
[03:48] <hatake_kakashi> poningru: the nvidia installer are very specific about which gcc was the kernel compiled for however crimsun has pointed out to ignore $CC. That I am not too sure on how to go about on it
[03:48] <s|k> LjL, Linux version 2.6.12-10-386 (buildd@terranova) (gcc version 3.4.5 20050809 (prer elease) (Ubuntu 3.4.4-6ubuntu8)) #1 Mon Feb 13 12:13:15 UTC 2006
[03:48] <s|k>  is what mine says
[03:48] <poningru> hmm ic
[03:48] <dhanny> directhex, are you not sleepy.. ;) sorry to make you awake this morning.. :D
[03:48] <poningru> s|k: what exactly are you trying to compile?
[03:48] <LjL> s|k: yup... and it does say "gcc version 3.4.5" doesn't it?
[03:48] <hatake_kakashi> poningru: latest nvidia module
[03:48] <carlk> Kr4t05: I was wondering what the diff is betwen xubuntu and u-lite - like why would someone want one or the other
[03:48] <poningru> oh latest
[03:49] <purplefeltangel> in evolution i got this error: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9737 -- can someone help me please????
[03:49] <poningru> s|k: you sure you cant find binaries?
[03:49] <directhex> it's exactly the same build - "(gcc version 3.4.5 20050809" versus "(GCC) 3.4.5 20050809"
[03:49] <s|k> poningru, I'm trying to install the latest nvidia driver
[03:49] <hatake_kakashi> poningru: not the one in the repos but the one on nvidia's site because s|k's xorg requires it
[03:49] <pinpoint> whats the point of runnin a program with an &
[03:49] <pinpoint> say, xmms &
[03:49] <poningru> ah ic
[03:49] <pinpoint> in terminal
[03:49] <hatake_kakashi> pinpoint: puts it in background
[03:49] <JoshT> Well, I've tried all sorts but the damn thing still sits there for 2 mins every time I click a hyperlink.  Pesky thing. ;'(
[03:49] <pinpoint> do i want to do that for xmms
[03:49] <HymnToLife> are kernel updates really necessary for servrs ?
[03:49] <poningru> s|k: iirc gcc will let you compile using an older version compatibility hold on let me check
[03:49] <s|k> how do I tell what xorg version I have?
[03:49] <dhanny> Hey.. hey.. is there anybody have an idea to build a distro for blind people based on Ubuntu?????
[03:50] <LjL> pinpoint: not necessarily. if might want to if you want to keep using that terminal before xmms quits
[03:50] <dhanny> i think its good idea.. i see there is a distro called Oralinux..
[03:50] <hatake_kakashi> pinpoint: that's the question you should ask yourself, furthermore I think xmms is more of a GUI frontend.. you should try something like mplayer which can play in consoles
[03:50] <directhex> dhanny, regular ubuntu, plus a live-in midget to sit next to the computer & read out all the screens
[03:50] <LjL> s|k: i could suggest "apt-cache policy xserver-xorg"
[03:51] <pinpoint> ah
[03:51] <pinpoint> thankies
[03:51] <dhanny> regular ubuntu? what is it?
[03:51] <poningru> brb
[03:51] <LjL> hah
[03:51] <liquidindian> !pastebin
[03:51] <ubotu> pastebin is probably a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org - Install webboard for easy pasting from the gnome taskbar :)
[03:51] <s|k> LjL, what's the difference between breezy and dapper?
[03:51] <s|k> I don't see that written anywhere
[03:51] <hatake_kakashi> s|k: breezy = stable, dapper = development
[03:52] <LjL> s|k: breezy is the current version of Ubuntu (aka 5.10). dapper will be the next version (6.04)
[03:52] <s|k> oh okay
[03:52] <LjL> !tell s|k about dapper
[03:53] <lukey-> !tell lukey- about dapper
[03:53] <liquidindian> Could someone have a look here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9738  and tell me if my USB hard drive is somewhere in there and I can't see it?
[03:54] <iG-Shoot-Me> Im thinking of installing ubuntu on my computer..  I already have a free partition... If something goes wrong and fucks up, is there a chance my files get deleted?
[03:54] <dhanny> s|k, dapper is better the breezy when it released.. :D
[03:54] <LjL> liquidindian: don't think.
[03:54] <LjL> liquidindian: if you try mounting /dev/sda1, it errors out?
[03:54] <directhex> iG-Shoot-Me, if you're not resizing partitions, it's pretty unlikely
[03:54] <cp7mm39> hello all new to linux, tryin to figure this out
[03:54] <dhanny> one month to go to dapper relased.. but i have installed it in all of wortkstation in my office.. :)
[03:54] <kairu0> liquidindian, its not in there
[03:55] <liquidindian> Yep, it's in my fstab, it says it doesn't exist.
[03:55] <iG-Shoot-Me> directhex: So I only need 1 partition?
[03:55] <liquidindian> It's definitely plugged in :)
[03:55] <lukey-> ig: itll take that unpartitoned space and reallocate it
[03:55] <LjL> liquidindian: is the "usb-storage" module loaded? (try lsmod | grep usb)
[03:55] <directhex> iG-Shoot-Me, as many as you feel like, really. i tend to have a small (50mb) /boot, a swap partition, then either one large / or ~10gb for / and the rest for /home
[03:55] <directhex> or maybe some for /tmp
[03:55] <directhex> it's really up to you. the installer has some suggestions
[03:55] <cp7mm39> does anyone know how to install programs on this system?
[03:55] <lukey-> what you need to do is make sure that you dont overwrite your main partition
[03:56] <iG-Shoot-Me> I dont understand that..  Boots and swap and stuff
[03:56] <LjL> !tell cp7mm39 about apt
[03:56] <w4r> hi all
[03:56] <liquidindian> LjL, what am I looking for in the output?
[03:56] <lukey-> ig: its not that important... everything is done automatically for you
[03:56] <Rug> Can you add 'cluster' capabilities to an existing server?  (I have 2 unused boxes and 1 existing LAMP server that I want to create a 3-node cluster.)  will it kill the existing server?
[03:56] <cp7mm39> what's apt?
[03:56] <LjL> cp7mm39: also, please read the FAQ list that's in the topic of this channel
[03:56] <Kr4t05> Does anyone know how to set a static network IP in terminal?
[03:56] <LjL> liquidindian: simply if a module named "usb-storage" appears
[03:56] <mikebot> anyone know how i can view all the hardware ubuntu recognizes in my computer?
[03:56] <w4r> its a thing you use to install programs on debian system
[03:56] <cp7mm39> thanks LjL
[03:56] <mikebot> is it the device database?
[03:56] <iG-Shoot-Me> Im setting up a dual boot.. thats just done auto for you, if you select it right?
[03:56] <liquidindian> usb_storage            64704  0
[03:57] <LjL> cp7mm39: APT is Ubuntu's package management system. Ubuntu's link should explain it a little
[03:57] <iG-Shoot-Me> If something DOES go wrong, I will still have windows and all the rest of my programs & Files?
[03:57] <lukey-> if you already have an os on the system... the installer will detect that
[03:57] <Kr4t05> iG-Shoot-Me: When you install, it will load GRUB for you, yes.
[03:57] <iG-Shoot-Me> If something DOES go wrong, I will still have windows and all the rest of my programs & Files?
[03:57] <cp7mm39> cool
[03:57] <Kr4t05> iG-Shoot-Me: If you don't over-write your Windows Partition.
[03:57] <lukey-> ig: the only thing that could go wrong and delete your files is if you delete your main partition
[03:57] <green_earz> Kr4t05: check out etherconf to configure the ether card to static
[03:57] <cp7mm39> i would really like to use this system and I dont want to give up to quick
[03:57] <Kr4t05> green_earz: Thanks
[03:58] <green_earz> np
[03:58] <mikebot> can someone help me get my dell printer working please
[03:58] <iG-Shoot-Me> I have programs on 1 partition, and files on another.. the third is blank
[03:58] <LjL> liquidindian: mount tells you that /dev/sda1 doesn't exist?
[03:58] <lukey-> so dont modify those two partitions that you have your stuff on
[03:58] <HymnToLife> iG-Shoot-Me> then be careful not to delete your two partitions
[03:58] <iG-Shoot-Me> How?
[03:58] <HymnToLife> and verything should go OK
[03:58] <lukey-> when you do the installer
[03:58] <LjL> cp7mm39: it's not too hard using, and this channel can usually be of help
[03:58] <lukey-> it asks you what partitions you want to delete
[03:58] <Rug> Ever have the feeling that nobody ever listens to you?
[03:58] <green_earz> Kr4t05: aptitude show etherconf
[03:58] <Rug> =)
[03:59] <iG-Shoot-Me> Did someone hear something?
[03:59] <iG-Shoot-Me> :P
[03:59] <cp7mm39> well so far everyone seems friendly
[03:59] <lukey-> and what partition you want to install ubuntu to
[03:59] <iG-Shoot-Me> Do I need to delete any?
[03:59] <cp7mm39> thanks LjL
[03:59] <Rug> cp7mm39: give me a second I'll fix that
[03:59] <HymnToLife> lmao Rug
[03:59] <iG-Shoot-Me> Do I need to delete any partitions?
[03:59] <cp7mm39> lol k Rug
[03:59] <Rug> iG-Shoot-Me: nope
[03:59] <HymnToLife> iG-Shoot-Me> yes, the blank one, most likely
[03:59] <mikebot> anyone know about printers? dell maybe? ubuntu?
[04:00] <Rug> Mind if I ask my question again?
[04:00] <HymnToLife> and create another patition instead (or more) to install linux on
[04:00] <liquidindian> LjL, I have this line in my fstab: /dev/sda1       /mnt/extdrive   ext3    defaults        0       0
[04:00] <Rug> mikebot: Samsung work the best with Linux
[04:00] <LjL> cp7mm39: i just had Ubotu send you another link, which explains how to add the "Universe" repository. thought you might want that, since it adds about 13000 programs to the list of programs that you can install
[04:00] <mikebot> Rug, i mean i have a dell printer and i want to make it work
[04:00] <DJ_tobias> bash: ./fixinstall: /bin/bash: bad interpreter: Permission denied
[04:00] <DJ_tobias>  why does it say this when i have read/write permissions?
[04:00] <lukey-> ig.. try this
[04:00] <liquidindian> LjL, and it says that it doesn't exist
[04:00] <Rug> mikebot: did you try google?
[04:00] <lukey-> put the disk in your drive and reboot
[04:00] <LjL> liquidindian: /dev/sda /media/usb0 auto ,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid,user 0 0
[04:01] <cp7mm39> cool thanks LjL
[04:01] <lukey-> see if there is anything that confuses you
[04:01] <lukey-> if so
[04:01] <lukey-> come back
[04:01] <lukey-> and ask
[04:01] <iG-Shoot-Me> I can do that?
[04:01] <wastrel> mikebot:  did you find out if your printer is supported at www.linuxprinting.org ?
[04:01] <iG-Shoot-Me> I can just leave the setup?
[04:01] <lukey-> yes
[04:01] <LjL> liquidindian: this is mine. though, really, usb disks get mounted under /media/usbdisk, not /media/usb0 as that suggest
[04:01] <iG-Shoot-Me> And windows will be ok? :)
[04:01] <mikebot> Rug, yeah, but i don't know what kind of dell printer i have, which is why i was wondering how i could check what hardware ubuntu recognizes
[04:01] <lukey-> yes
[04:01] <lukey-> ig
[04:01] <iG-Shoot-Me> Ok
[04:01] <lukey-> have you ever installed windows before?
[04:01] <Rug> mikebot: how are you connecting it to your PC?
[04:01] <iG-Shoot-Me> No
[04:02] <iG-Shoot-Me> I built my comp but my bro installed windows
[04:02] <mikebot> Rug, via usb
[04:02] <lukey-> i see
[04:02] <Rug> excellent
[04:02] <cp7mm39> hey that link thing is frigin cool
[04:02] <LjL> liquidindian: i do think you might want to try /dev/sda instead of /dev/sda1, as i'm not sure USB disks necessarily need to be partitioned
[04:02] <lukey-> k
[04:02] <lukey-> good luck
[04:02] <Rug> mikebot: in the terminal type lsusb  and see what it says about your dell printer
[04:02] <liquidindian> LjL, I'll have a look there.  Thing is, it was working yesterday.
[04:02] <cp7mm39> thanks guy's
[04:02] <Rug> cp7mm39: wait a sec I ddin't slap you around yet
[04:03] <cp7mm39> lol
[04:03] <dfTh> how do you change permission of a file using 'ls' ?
[04:03] <mikebot> Rug, Dell COmputer Corp.
[04:03] <LjL> dfTh: you don't. you change it using "chmod"
[04:03] <LjL> !tell dfTh about cli
[04:03] <cp7mm39> lol
[04:03] <dfTh> ok
[04:03] <HymnToLife> dfTh> you don't
[04:03] <pinpoint> whats that program that looks like itunes
[04:03] <HymnToLife> you use chmod to chnge permissions
[04:03] <pinpoint> it also streams internet radio
[04:03] <dfTh> ic
[04:03] <liquidindian> pinpoint, Amarok?
[04:03] <dfTh> how do you change it to full access?
[04:03] <cp7mm39> cp slaps rug back with a walleye
[04:03] <dfTh> like read, write, del, etc
[04:04] <HymnToLife> chmod 777 /path/to/your/file
[04:04] <LjL> dfTh: "chmod a+rwx filename" gives full access to anybody.
[04:04] <Rug> mikebot: paste the entire line
[04:04] <liquidindian> LjL, it doesn't seem to be in the media dir.
[04:04] <LjL> dfTh: for more fine-grained control, "man chmod"
[04:04] <johnnybezak> hey guys whats the release date for dapper?
[04:04] <mikebot> rug, there are two:
[04:04] <mikebot> Bus 001 Device 005: ID 413c:5106 Dell Computer Corp.
[04:04] <mikebot> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 413c:5105 Dell Computer Corp.
[04:04] <jonolsonroll2000> pinpoint, Are you talking about rhythmbox?
[04:04] <pinpoint> yeah
[04:04] <pinpoint> thanks
[04:04] <Rug> johnnybezak: Second Tuesday of necxt week
[04:04] <liquidindian> pinpoint, sorry :)
[04:04] <mikebot> Rug, for some reason there is also a Lexmark one
[04:04] <Lao> hey folks how are you doing tonight/day?
[04:04] <dfTh> a means attribute right?
[04:04] <LjL> dfTh: never mind, i just recalled that "man chmod" says zilch about permissions.
[04:04] <sells> hi,  anyone ever used Frevo?
[04:04] <fossa> i need help picking out a monitor
[04:04] <LjL> dfTh: no, "a" means "all".
[04:05] <Rug> yes that is because Dell printers are actually lexmarks
[04:05] <dfTh> oh
[04:05] <lampshade> sells, ha, yeah once a long time ago
[04:05] <HymnToLife> [04:04]  Rug johnnybezak: Second Tuesday of necxt week <= since when are there two Tusdays in a week ?
[04:05] <Rug> fossa: hint get a BIG one
[04:05] <fossa> 19" lcd
[04:05] <cp7mm39> hey if i close this window when i log back on to it again will it bring me back here?
[04:05] <johnnybezak> HymnToLife: haha
[04:05] <fossa> hyundai, samsung or viewsonic?
[04:05] <sells> lampshade: you did not like it?
[04:05] <johnnybezak> so what's the date?
[04:05] <Rug> Samsung
[04:05] <LjL> dfTh: for all i know, the syntax is "chmod x+attributes", where x can be u (the file owner), g (the group), o (others), a (all) - but i might be getting some of them wrong
[04:05] <Gokz> hey guys i really need some help. Could someone please help me configure an RT2500 card in ubuntu while in server
[04:05] <LjL> dfTh: as for the attributes, "r" is read, "w" is write and "x" is execute.
[04:05] <pinpoint> liquidindian, no problem
[04:05] <liquidindian> LjL, there are no sda devices in /dev
[04:06] <HymnToLife> johnnybezak> afaik it's April 20th
[04:06] <liquidindian> LjL, only scd0
[04:06] <dfTh> ic
[04:06] <LjL> liquidindian: i really have no clue :\
[04:06] <lampshade> sells, At the time I used it, it did __NOT__ have commercial skip features.  Which I didn't realize until I got it all up and working and such.  That was the killer feature I wanted
[04:06] <Lao> how do I write to a folder in file browser, it says I don't havepermission to?
[04:06] <fossa> samsung 920n - is that a good one?
[04:06] <QMario> Is anyone receiving spam right now?
[04:06] <Gokz> anyone know how to configure an RT2500 card while in server?
[04:06] <Rug> QMario: only from you
[04:06] <lampshade> I don't know if they have it now, I remember them having it in their roadmap to do, but I don't know that it happened
[04:06] <QMario> Rug, :'(.
[04:06] <sells> lampshade: do you know if it does now?
[04:06] <liquidindian> LjL, thanks anyway mate.
[04:06] <Rug> QMario: jk sorry
[04:06] <LjL> dfTh: oh, i forgot - the "+" is for *adding* those attributes, while a "-" would take them away. a "=" will set *exactly* those attributes and remove any other attribute
[04:06] <QMario> Some guy named "bigfiggz" is talking to me.
[04:07] <jonolsonroll2000> Gokz, Quick google search gave me this: http://www.flamingspork.com/blog/2005/01/14/rt2500-wireless-pci-card-on-ubuntu/
[04:07] <QMario> Do you know him, Rug?
[04:07] <Rug> no I was just kidding
[04:07] <Rug> apt-get beer
[04:07] <lampshade> sells, No, I don't know.  If you are building a standalone tv box you might want to also check out Knoppmyth which is a knoppix based live cd that will have all your tivoing needs already on the cd
[04:07] <HymnToLife> lmao
[04:07] <jonolsonroll2000> Gokz, or this
[04:07] <jonolsonroll2000> Gokz, https://wiki.ubuntu.com//Rt2500WirelessCardsHowTo
[04:07] <Rug> apt-get remove wife
[04:07] <LjL> dfTh: so for example, if you want to set a file so that the group can read it, and nothing else, that would be "chmod g=r filename"
[04:08] <Rug> ack
[04:08] <Rug> error
[04:08] <sells> lampshade: cool
[04:08] <lampshade> hahah more like fsck wife
[04:08] <Rug> lampshade: no fsck girlfriend ssh wife
[04:08] <dfTh> thanks
[04:08] <HymnToLife> LjL> that seems quite complicated
[04:08] <lampshade> lolz
[04:08] <dfTh> i get it
[04:08] <HymnToLife> better use the good old octal values :p
[04:08] <KentJonathan> Hello i am make the install of wine-0.9.9 but he have this error configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[04:08] <Rug> chmode 755 what could go wrong?
[04:08] <fossa> i never got my dell latitude's wifi working with ubuntu
[04:09] <Rug> KentJonathan: why compile?  just use apt-get install
[04:09] <HymnToLife> Rug> that extra "e" could mess things up :D
[04:09] <lukey-> kill -9 that ass
[04:09] <Lao> fossa: I'm the man with the ndiswrapper, lets see what we can do
[04:09] <KentJonathan> what is the apt-get ?
[04:09] <KentJonathan> ups.
[04:09] <LjL> !tell KentJonathan about apt-get
[04:09] <fossa> Lao/ would love to but wife is on the comp working on baby registry
[04:09] <KentJonathan> NO i now what is apt-get
[04:09] <Rug> HymnToLife: It's been a long day, I can't type straight anymore
[04:10] <LjL> KentJonathan: oh, sorry
[04:10] <KentJonathan> what is the apt-get of wiine
[04:10] <LjL> KentJonathan: "sudo apt-get install build-essential"
[04:10] <KentJonathan> ok
[04:10] <Lao> ohhhh... sorry to hear that... anywho try doing a search on the Ubuntu wiki for ndiswrapper and follow the instructions
[04:10] <LjL> KentJonathan: that's not wine's package name
[04:10] <KentJonathan> ?
[04:10] <lampshade> fossa, if I may ask, what wireless card?  People with dells with the Intel chip have no problems works out of the box
[04:10] <LjL> KentJonathan: but it *is* the thing you need to install when you get a "no acceptable C compiler found"
[04:10] <Lao> then use WiFi Radar and for the most part it works like a charm
[04:10] <Rug> LjL: Do you know anything about clusters?
[04:10] <lampshade> but I keep seeing people in herer with the 1370 broadcom having huge problems
[04:10] <KentJonathan> sudo apt-get install build-essential what this the wine?
[04:11] <LjL> KentJonathan: but, perhaps you should simply install wine through apt-get, instead of compiling it
[04:11] <Lao> lol I have an HP with a broadcom...
[04:11] <HymnToLife> nope KentJonathan
[04:11] <KentJonathan> what thats?
[04:11] <HymnToLife> for wine, see this
[04:11] <HymnToLife> !wine
[04:11] <KentJonathan> !wine
[04:11] <dfTh> what if i want only admins to read/copy/delete a file called 'get.txt', so it would be chmod a+rxw get.txt
[04:11] <dfTh> ?
[04:11] <dfTh> thats right?
[04:11] <Lao> thats why I became good friend with ndis even though its kinda crappy
[04:11] <LjL> dfTh: no!!
[04:11] <KentJonathan> >_<
[04:11] <KentJonathan> !wine
[04:11] <dfTh> why
[04:11] <LjL> dfTh: "a" is for "all". that would set the file readable and writable to *anybody*
[04:11] <fossa> i tried the ubuntu wiki stuff before, no luck. ndiswrapper. i haven't heard of radar tho.
[04:11] <dfTh> oh
[04:12] <dfTh> so whats admin?
[04:12] <galaxyhitchhiker> I have a question
[04:12] <KentJonathan> what this sudo apt-get install build-essential ?
[04:12] <HymnToLife> dfTh> chmod it to 770
[04:12] <HymnToLife> and set its GID to admin or whatever the hell your admin group is named
[04:12] <dfTh> but i wanna know who is who and what is that
[04:12] <erisco> how do I get .rar support for 5.10?
[04:12] <dfTh> what*
[04:12] <galaxyhitchhiker> can I force ubuntu to display in resolutions higher than 1024x768?
[04:13] <pavlovsdog> no but you can talk it into it
[04:13] <HymnToLife> 700 means the owner and the group have full acces
[04:13] <tgene`afk> how can i use my wireless card with unbuntu
[04:13] <tgene`afk> ??
[04:13] <HymnToLife> and everyone else has no access
[04:13] <pavlovsdog> 700 is owner only
[04:13] <HymnToLife> 770* sorry
[04:13] <tgene`afk> how can i use my wireless card with unbuntu
[04:14] <KentJonathan> Please install the 'flex' package.
[04:14] <KentJonathan>  where i can find the flex package?
[04:14] <KentJonathan> !flex
[04:14] <ubotu> KentJonathan: Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:14] <dfTh> how do you know which one is group and which one is admin?
[04:14] <HymnToLife> KentJonathan> tried sudo apt-get flex ?
[04:14] <farous> tgene`afk: try to be more specific and ask your question once
[04:14] <HymnToLife> install*
[04:14] <Lao> tgene: what kind of witeless card, and please don't spam the channel, someone will respond as soon as the can
[04:14] <HymnToLife> dammit, I should go to bed too
[04:14] <LjL> dfTh: "ls -l", the first name is the owner, the second is the group
[04:14] <KentJonathan> ok thanks
[04:14] <tgene`afk> Um its an atheros card
[04:14] <jonolsonroll2000> tgene, need more info then that ;)
[04:14] <KentJonathan> E: Invalid operation flex
[04:14] <KentJonathan>  in incorrect
[04:15] <LjL> dfTh: ----------  1 ljl ljl    0 2006-03-05 04:12 testfile           <-- first ljl is the owner, second is the group. this file has no permissions for anybody
[04:15] <jonolsonroll2000> tgene, and have you tried google?  It's wonderful :)
[04:15] <farous> tgene`afk: there is a good howto on the forums
[04:15] <farous> !atheros
[04:15] <ubotu> farous: No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:15] <HymnToLife> KentJonathan> the correct command is sudo apt-get install flex
[04:15] <dfTh> ic
[04:15] <Lao> tgene: get your windows driver and hit up google,
[04:15] <HymnToLife> of course
[04:15] <KentJonathan> ok thanks :)
[04:15] <pavlovsdog> ath0 maybe
[04:15] <pavlovsdog> as in not eth0
[04:15] <LjL> dfTh: if you wonder why there exists an "ljl" group, it's simply because when a user is created, a group corresponding to that user is also created by default
[04:15] <tgene`afk> hm ill try those k
[04:15] <farous> tgene`afk: just go to forums.ubuntu.com and wiki.ubuntu.com is a good start to browse the documentation section there
[04:15] <fossa> samsung 920n or hyundai b90a
[04:16] <LjL> dfTh: so by default i belong to the group that includes only myself
[04:16] <dfTh> i get that
[04:16] <dfTh> got*
[04:17] <galaxyhitchhiker> !display
[04:17] <ubotu> [display]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto or ask !Resolution
[04:17] <galaxyhitchhiker> !resolution
[04:17] <ubotu> I heard resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:17] <LjL> dfTh: if i now type "chmod u+rw testfile", that file will be readable and writable for the "ljl" user (*not* for the group). you could of course accomplish the same thing with the weird octal notation :)
[04:17] <Rug> for answers to some of your questions please vist:   http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/Unix/
[04:17] <HymnToLife> the octal notation is not weird at all :/
[04:17] <LjL> dfTh: if instead i type "chmod g+rw testfile", that file will be r/w for the group. i could then "chgrp admin testfile", and the file would belong to the admin group
[04:17] <farous> Rug there is ubuntu documentation on the web
[04:17] <HymnToLife> it's just logic :p
[04:17] <LjL> HymnToLife: yes yes. want a cookie? :P
[04:18] <Rug> Yeah I know
[04:18] <HymnToLife> no, thanks
[04:18] <Rug> some of these questions seem to be more "beginner concepts"
[04:18] <pr0cty> nice link :)
[04:18] <KentJonathan> if i want to listen a radio of shoutcast ( winamp ) what program i need?
[04:19] <HymnToLife> LjL> are you sure of that chgrp thing though ?
[04:19] <dfTh> chmod a+r testfile - is accessible to all but read-only?
[04:19] <HymnToLife> I use chown :group for this
[04:19] <LjL> HymnToLife: uh, yEAH
[04:19] <wastrel> Rug:  ubuntu is a popular, newb friendly distro :]
[04:19] <Rug> KentJonathan: many programs can receive a shoutcast stream
[04:19] <LjL> HymnToLife: (hit my caps lock by mistake)
[04:19] <Rug> wastrel: yes it is
[04:19] <Rug> I am not though.
[04:19] <Rug> =)
[04:19] <LjL> HymnToLife: oh... well, i didn't actually know or remember about that notation. but "chgrp" does also exist
[04:19] <KentJonathan> mmm one program please :(
[04:19] <Lao> is their any keyboard command to switch desktops?
[04:20] <Rug> KentJonathan: amarok
[04:20] <KentJonathan> is in install in my ubuntu of default?
[04:20] <Rug> Lao: Ctrl + Alt + cursor keys
[04:20] <HymnToLife> [04:18]  dfTh chmod a+r testfile - is accessible to all but read-only? <= yes, sorry
[04:20] <wastrel> Lao:  in gnome  ctrl-alt  with left or right arrow keys
[04:20] <johnnybezak> HymnToLife: when does Gnome 2.14 come out, do you know?
[04:20] <LjL> KentJonathan: no.
[04:20] <KentJonathan> where i can download?
[04:20] <HymnToLife> too busy arguing with LjL :p
[04:20] <LjL> KentJonathan: Rythmbox is. i suppose it might play that too?
[04:20] <dfTh> ic
[04:20] <Lao> THANKS that has been pissing me off
[04:20] <LjL> KentJonathan: "sudo aptitude install amarok"
[04:20] <pavlovsdog> left alt key
[04:20] <Rug> KentJonathan: sudo apt-get install amarok
[04:20] <HymnToLife> johnnybezak> nop :/
[04:20] <KentJonathan> thanks
[04:20] <pinpoint> rythmbox is nowhere on the list
[04:21] <pinpoint> is it restricted
[04:21] <HymnToLife> I'm more a KDE user actually
[04:21] <pavlovsdog> left ctrl i guess
[04:21] <dfTh> so there are only two things, a and g , which are group and all?
[04:21] <KentJonathan> this program is for listen the radio no? for example http://live.radiowey.com:8080
[04:21] <LjL> dfTh: no. don't forget "u", user (i.e. the owner)
[04:21] <HymnToLife> and u which is user
[04:21] <dfTh> what you mean user?
[04:21] <dfTh> oh
[04:21] <HymnToLife> the owner of the file
[04:21] <LjL> dfTh: and there is also "o", which is the rest of the world. that is different from "a" 'cause "a" also includes the owner and the group, while "o" means specifically the other people
[04:22] <Rug> KentJonathan: yes it can.  it does much more too
[04:22] <dfTh> like: chmod user+rxw testfile ?
[04:22] <LjL> dfTh: no. "chmod u+rxw testfile"
[04:22] <LjL> [04:17]  <LjL> dfTh: if i now type "chmod u+rw testfile", that file will be readable and writable for the "ljl" user (*not* for the group). you could of course accomplish the same thing with the weird octal notation :)
[04:22] <dfTh> oh
[04:22] <dfTh> yeah yeah yeah
[04:22] <LjL> dfTh: *who* is the owner can be decided by using the "chown" command
[04:23] <LjL> dfTh: of course, by default, the owner is the guy who created the file
[04:23] <HymnToLife> anand the group too
[04:23] <HymnToLife> and**
[04:23] <Rug> Can you add 'cluster' capabilities to an existing server?  (I have 2 unused boxes and 1 existing LAMP server that I want to create a 3-node cluster.)  will it kill the existing server?
[04:24] <s_spiff> guys
[04:24] <bigfoot1> an someone tell me the direct link to the embedded movie file in http://www.themcpassion.com/vsuper2.html, please?
[04:24] <bigfoot1> correction: *Can*
[04:24] <s_spiff> i've posted my [problem on http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=793614#post793614 can someone help me?
[04:24] <s_spiff> please
[04:24] <HymnToLife> bigfoot1> just searchh the source...
[04:24] <LjL> dfTh: note that the owner will *always* have the last word on a file. even if you take every permission away from the owner, the owner can still set them back
[04:24] <liquidindian> LjL,  Got it working, thanks for your help.
[04:25] <liquidindian> LjL, I switched it off and back on again...
[04:25] <s_spiff>  is there a indian channel for ubuntu?
[04:25] <bigfoot1> HymnToLife: i did. it's hard to understand. take a look yourself.
[04:25] <LjL> dfTh: so if i typed "chmod u-rwx testfile", ljl would stop being able to read/write to the file... but he (i) could still issue a "chmod u+rwx testfile" at any time
[04:25] <bigfoot1> please
[04:25] <dfTh> i know that, i was confused on that a+rxw stuff
[04:25] <LjL> liquidindian: oh :)
[04:25] <DJ_tobias> what does this mean
[04:25] <DJ_tobias> Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed)
[04:25] <bigfoot1> HymnToLife: you like hymns?
[04:25] <dfTh> coz you're the admin?
[04:25] <dbinc> whoa
[04:25] <s_spiff> DJ_tobias: can u help me with my problem?
[04:25] <dbinc> where am i
[04:25] <dbinc> i'm scared
[04:26] <LjL> dfTh: no, 'cause i am the file owner.
[04:26] <DJ_tobias> s_spiff, which?
[04:26] <HymnToLife> bigfoot1> ?
[04:26] <s_spiff> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=793614#post793614
[04:26] <s_spiff> posted the problem there
[04:26] <dbinc> please don't gang rape me
[04:26] <dfTh> ic
[04:26] <s_spiff>  i havent got a decent reply on the forums!
[04:26] <DJ_tobias> s_spiff, give me one sec to read it
[04:26] <HymnToLife> I think - not sure though - than root also has every right
[04:26] <s_spiff> yup thnx
[04:26] <HymnToLife> that*
[04:26] <bigfoot1> HymnToLife: your handle is "HymnToLife", that's why i ask if you like hymns
[04:27] <dfTh> aight, time to test those cmds, brb
[04:27] <galaxyhitchhiker> OK< much more specific question now
[04:27] <bigfoot1> Can someone tell me the direct link to the embedded movie file in http://www.themcpassion.com/vsuper2.html, please? I looked at the source, but can't understand it.
[04:27] <|PuGz|> Hi, does anyone know if i can use a 32bit version of ubuntu on a 64bit machine?
[04:27] <LjL> HymnToLife: indeed, root does. root is even more powerful than the owner, 'cause he doesn't even need to "chmod" to anything -- he can even write to a file with 000 (happy?) permissions
[04:27] <Rug> bigfoot1: that is the second time you have asked that question in less then 2 mintues.
[04:27] <farous> |PuGz|: sure you can
[04:27] <galaxyhitchhiker> do I need to install drivers for my raedon 9600 card?
[04:27] <Rug> bigfoot1: NO
[04:27] <|PuGz|> ok thank you :)
[04:28] <johnmournahan> what is the default root password
[04:28] <farous> galaxyhitchhiker: which drivers you need
[04:28] <Malachi> Anyone have problem with OO.org's Base?
[04:28] <LjL> !tell johnmournahan about root
[04:28] <galaxyhitchhiker> https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=27
[04:28] <DJ_tobias> s_spiff, are you using a cd to install?
[04:28] <Rug> johnmournahan: there is no 'root' password.  only your sudo password
[04:28] <farous> galaxyhitchhiker: you need the fglrx drivers from ati. they will work just fine
[04:29] <Rug> Malachi: the menu bar is blank untill I mouse over it.   Like that?
[04:29] <Malachi> Rug: Yeah, or buggy like it crashes alot.
[04:29] <galaxyhitchhiker> even if I want to raise the resolution past 1024x
[04:29] <galaxyhitchhiker> ?
[04:29] <Rug> Malachi: yupp, mine is fubar too
[04:29] <johnmournahan> so enter nothing on root login? sorry about the stupid question but ive used SUSE and Fedora before and you need to spesifie it
[04:29] <HymnToLife> !root
[04:29] <ubotu> By default, the root password is locked in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[04:29] <farous> galaxyhitchhiker: if your screen support it yes
[04:29] <galaxyhitchhiker> k
[04:30] <johnmournahan> thank you
[04:30] <farous> galaxyhitchhiker: you can have that too with the ati drivers already installed on your mch
[04:31] <galaxyhitchhiker> farous: I can only see 1024 right now
[04:31] <farous> galaxyhitchhiker: you need to configure it
[04:31] <farous> !resolution
[04:31] <ubotu> from memory, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:31] <farous> ^   &
[04:31] <galaxyhitchhiker> i already followed that
[04:31] <farous> galaxyhitchhiker: follow ubotu link
[04:31] <galaxyhitchhiker> already did
[04:31] <carlk> I am trying to figure out if it tries to send the box's hostname - what script actualy does the dhcp?
[04:31] <farous> did you sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:32] <galaxyhitchhiker> hmm
[04:32] <johnmournahan> has anyone got a usb tv tuner card to work on ubuntu
[04:32] <redstripe> hi im trying to install something with, ./configure && make && make install, but i get bash: ./configure: No such file or directory... also with sudo, command not found... any idea whats missing?
[04:32] <LjL> redstripe: uh... configure perhaps? =)
[04:33] <LjL> redstripe: is *there* a "configure" file in the directory you're in?
[04:33] <redstripe> apt-get install configure?
[04:33] <redstripe> i see configure.ac
[04:33] <HymnToLife> redstripe> sis you browse to the directory where you exctracted the tarball of whichever source you are trying to build ?
[04:33] <johnmournahan> i have a adaptec videoh media center usb and cant find a driver or any support for linux at all
[04:33] <LjL> redstripe: no, configure should be shipped with the tarball that you're compiling
[04:33] <farous> redstripe: install build-essental
[04:33] <carlk> redstripe: not all things need configure - what does the README say?
[04:33] <LjL> farous: no. he doesn't have any configure
[04:33] <HymnToLife> did*
[04:33] <redstripe> the site i got the tar from says use that command
[04:33] <LjL> carlk: if there is configure.ac, then it probably needs configure, but needs to run autoconf to create it
[04:33] <redstripe> INSTALL, step 1, configure
[04:34] <redstripe> HymnToLife, yes im in the directory
[04:34] <LjL> redstripe: try typing "sudo apt-get install autoconf", and then "autoconf". a "configure" should be created
[04:34] <HymnToLife> then ither you are _not_ in it
[04:34] <redstripe> ok thanks!
[04:34] <farous> yah LjL i think you are right
[04:34] <HymnToLife> or you should tell the owner that his source tarball is messed up
[04:34] <LjL> HymnToLife: probably
[04:35] <LjL> HymnToLife: though it would not be the first nor the last of its kind ;)
[04:35] <HymnToLife> lol
[04:35] <olahi> hello
[04:37] <LjL> redstripe: by the way, i gave you generic instructions that should probably work -- but the others' advice to read any shipped README or INSTALL file is perfectly valid ;)
[04:37] <redstripe> LjL, alright
[04:37] <redstripe> i just got an error, but ill double check the INSTALL
[04:37] <redstripe> thanks
[04:37] <LjL> redstripe: if the error is related to a missing C compiler, then "sudo aptitude install build-essential"
[04:38] <johnmournahan> what is a good chanel for hardware suport for ubuntu
[04:38] <LjL> johnmournahan: this one.
[04:38] <HymnToLife> lol
[04:38] <HymnToLife> !hardware
[04:38] <ubotu> methinks hardware is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[04:39] <Malachi> Rug: Do you know of a good alternative?
[04:39] <johnmournahan> i have a adaptec avc 2310 usb tv tuner and cant find anything
[04:39] <Rug> patience
[04:39] <olahi> how do i install wifi support in kde? i have a pcmcia wifi here i need to use it.what package do i need to install?
[04:40] <Rug> Malachi: in another month Dapper will be released.  I am sure some bugs will be fixxed
[04:40] <olahi> im installing ubuntu as server then done aptget install kde*
[04:40] <Rug> olahi: why are you install a DE on a server?
[04:40] <HymnToLife> olahi> you need to do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:40] <s|k> http://pastebin.com/584467  <--- is there anything wrong with my xconfig ?
[04:40] <HymnToLife> yeah, Rug's question is relevant too
[04:40] <s|k> because I get nothing but errors with glxinfo
[04:41] <LjL> s|k: it's quite messed up
[04:41] <s|k> what's wrong with it?
[04:41] <LjL> s|k: any "Section" should end with an "EndSection"
[04:41] <Madpilot> greetings, Ubuntubians
[04:41] <LjL> s|k: you have several "Section"s that open without closing
[04:41] <lnx_> how do you turn off the low battery notifications?
[04:41] <s_spiff> DJ_tobias: yeah i'm using  CD to install
[04:41] <s|k> oh
[04:41] <s_spiff>  breezy badger
[04:41] <s|k> maybe I didn't copy it right
[04:41] <s|k> how do I select and copy the entire text?
[04:41] <Rug> s|k: you are missing a LOT of stuff
[04:41] <dfTh> where you files go when someone sent you a file?
[04:41] <dfTh> im using xchat
[04:42] <LjL> s|k: probably ctrl+a, if you're using gedit or similar
[04:42] <drakonan> Hey, i think i know the answer to this, but will ask anyway: i have a raid5 3 disk set, windows software raid, would it work with linux software raid or do ineed a temp drive to copy to/from?
[04:42] <s|k> I'm using vim
[04:42] <lnx_> how do you turn off the low battery notifications?
[04:42] <s|k> let me try gedit
[04:42] <HymnToLife> dfTh> /home/user/.xchat2/downloads
[04:42] <HymnToLife> if I remember well
[04:42] <dfTh> ic
[04:42] <LjL> s|k: no idea with vim
[04:42] <Rug> drakonan: Linux won't be able to read that raid set
[04:42] <s|k> http://pastebin.com/584473  <--- LjL
[04:42] <s_spiff>  DJ_tobias can u put the soln. to prob on the forums itself.. cuz me going out..to get my bike serviced :P
[04:42] <samwh> Hey, uh, anyone know of a GUI for encoding videos with FFMPEG or Mencoder?
[04:43] <Rug> samwh: have you tried tovid?
[04:43] <lnx_> anyone know how to turn off the low battery notifications?
[04:43] <HymnToLife> samwh> I use avidmux for video encoding
[04:43] <s_spiff> bbye.. DJ_tobias ...thnx anyways.. if u can resolve the prob..can u please put it on the forums... g2g
[04:43] <samwh> Are they in the repos?
[04:43] <s_spiff>  thanks ppl cya
[04:43] <redstripe> LjL, if you dont mind, ive read thru the INSTALL, but this error is still persisting: http://pastebin.com/584468
[04:43] <s|k> LjL, glx isn't loading
[04:43] <Rug> samwh: yes
[04:44] <johnmournahan> dose anyone know if there is a mythtv channel
[04:44] <Rug> oh wait maybe not...
[04:44] <HymnToLife> avidemux isn't
[04:44] <samwh> lol
[04:44] <bluemax_> /whois bluemax_
[04:44] <HymnToLife> I have the debs, can't remeber from where I downloaded them though :/
[04:44] <olahi> Rug, i installed KDE cuz i need xwindow sometimes when surfing.this is just a test ubuntu server
[04:44] <bluemax_> duh, oops
[04:44] <samwh> meh, ill google it
[04:44] <Rug> try searching for it.   Very easy to install
[04:44] <olahi> im using dual boot in my laptop winxp and ubuntu server with xwindow using kde
[04:44] <HymnToLife> olahi> why just install a full Ubuntu with gnome ?
[04:44] <LjL> s|k: try adding http://pastebin.com/584483
[04:45] <HymnToLife> no*
[04:45] <mikebot> so, i'm looking for help with installing my dell printer--i.e. getting its drivers
[04:45] <olahi> i like more kde and maybe im first interested in kde hehehe
[04:45] <Rug> yes mike
[04:45] <HymnToLife> download Kubuntu then...
[04:45] <drakonan> all right didn't think so... hey, i've got a situation with my video driver and suspend or something on this computer i've installed linux on, when the computer has been left alone for a while when i go to log back in to it the screen turns on but the video is corrupt, is there something i can do? it's no big deal to *me*, but i'm wanting to give this to my grand father and he'll struggle with the key combination to reset X
[04:45] <olahi> HymnToLife,  is it not safe to use kde?
[04:45] <s|k> at the end LjL ?
[04:45] <LjL> redstripe: that configure is screwed up.
[04:45] <ithiel> olahi, KDE makes you sterile, and you get cancer, don't use it.
[04:45] <HymnToLife> well anyway, to install KDE it's apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:45] <LjL> s|k: i've got it at the end yeah
[04:45] <samwh> try xubuntu
[04:45] <ithiel> hello LjL
[04:45] <redstripe> LjL, i figured, ok thanks
[04:45] <ithiel> XFce is nice for low power machinery.
[04:46] <Rug> icewm too
[04:46] <LjL> ithiel: hi
[04:46] <johnmournahan> ithiel > what do you have agenst KDE?
[04:46] <ithiel> johnmournahan, bloat.
[04:46] <olahi> sterile? heehehe
[04:46] <ithiel> hardcore bloat.
[04:46] <drakonan> ithiel, define low power, as in 128mb ram?
[04:46] <olahi> why? is it unsecure?
[04:46] <drakonan> resource usage johnmournahan
[04:46] <HymnToLife> KDE rocks :/
[04:46] <s|k> LjL, why is gedit opening it up as read only?
[04:46] <ithiel> drakonan, depends on the machine, and how much lag you can tolerate. 128mb ram though? it'd run nice with xfce
[04:46] <lnx_> anyone know how to turn off low battery notifications?
[04:46] <LjL> s|k: cause you didn't use sudo i guess
[04:47] <globe> is there a way to tell ubuntu to rescan the pcmcia port without rebooting?
[04:47] <HymnToLife> remind me WHO said "I just tell people to use KDE" ?
[04:47] <s|k> oh
[04:47] <olahi> tell me if it have lots of bugs then ill not use it
[04:47] <ithiel> olahi, nah, I was just being satirical, there are frequent desktop environment holy wars in here. Frankly, I dislike gnome, xfce, and KDE all for different reasons
[04:47] <ithiel> it depends on what you value most, power, speed, usability, simplicity, features, e.t.c.
[04:47] <Madpilot> HymnToLife, just because he built the kernel we run on doesn't mean we should listen to him :P
[04:47] <ithiel> to each his own
[04:47] <Rug> np: Unknown -  (0:08 / 0:00)
[04:47] <johnmournahan> can you run K.... programs on gnome
[04:47] <ithiel> SimpleKDE looks promising to me
[04:47] <HymnToLife> I know :pI was just a bit sarcastic
[04:47] <drakonan> yep johnmournahan
[04:47] <ithiel> johnmournahan, yes
[04:47] <odat> anyone know how to install ubuntu on a computer with two ATA hard drives
[04:47] <LjL> Madpilot: he's crazy.
[04:47] <robertj> man, I'm 11:45 into Johnny Mneumonic and it's a bit tramatic already
[04:47] <Madpilot> Rug, turn the np script off, thanks
[04:47] <johnmournahan> all
[04:47] <lnx_> johnmournahan, yes
[04:47] <HymnToLife> I didn't wait for him tu use KDE :p
[04:47] <ithiel> it'll have to load the libraries, but yes
[04:48] <mikebot> aynone know about printer drivers?
[04:48] <robertj> why did _he_ have to be in that movie...
[04:48] <LjL> Madpilot: i mean it most well intentionedly, but he is.
[04:48] <drakonan> odat,  there shouldn't be a difference from having a computer with one hd
[04:48] <Rug> Sorry about that
[04:48] <ithiel> maddler, hola.
[04:48] <Madpilot> LjL, most of the "names" in the Linux world are crazy - Stallman, anyone? :P
[04:48] <olahi> what is the binary file of gaim? i need to run it.done apt-get install gaim
[04:48] <johnmournahan> wow i wasnt sure what why most small programs said for KDE.
[04:48] <odat> drakonan, well each time i install the install goes fine but when it reboots i get a grub error 2
[04:48] <LjL> Madpilot: yeah guess so
[04:48] <HymnToLife> Stallman is the worst of all lol
[04:48] <Madpilot> olahi, try 'gaim' at a prompt
[04:49] <drakonan> Does anyone have a solution to the "video corruption on wake  up" problem i'm experiencing?  How can I test that that is my problem i.e. manually go in ot a  lower power state?
[04:49] <dhanny> Thanks all! :) My apt-proxy is working now.. and the workstations updating the dapper from it.. :) Thank you so much.. :)
[04:49] <johnmournahan> but i guess it was to support there perfered
[04:49] <lnx_> anyone know how to turn off the low battery notificaitons?
[04:49] <drakonan> what are you doing exactly? is your idea that you want to dual boot windows, windows on one hd and linux on the other?
[04:49] <olahi> it says command not found
[04:50] <s|k> is there anything wrong with this: http://pastebin.com/584488
[04:50] <s|k> ?
[04:50] <olahi> $ gaim
[04:50] <olahi> bash: gaim: command not found
[04:50] <LjL> drakonan: "echo mem >/sys/power/state" should suspend, and "echo disk >/sys/power/state" should hibernate, iirc
[04:50] <_JECKEL_> bah
[04:50] <johnmournahan> anyone use mythtv
[04:50] <_JECKEL_> I can't get mplayer or xine or vlc to play wmv!
[04:50] <olahi> :(
[04:50] <HymnToLife> use another format...
[04:50] <_JECKEL_> and I installed all the wmv related codecs I could find! GRAWR!
[04:50] <s|k> I'm going to just format the drive
[04:50] <Madpilot> _JECKEL_, totem-xine plays wmv for me - got the w32codecs?
[04:50] <s|k> and start over
[04:50] <samwh> wow, not VLC? sure it aint DRM?
[04:51] <s|k> nothing is working for me
[04:51] <s|k> I don't have sound
[04:51] <s|k> I don't have 3D
[04:51] <_JECKEL_> Madpilot..from the website when you type !wmv in here?
[04:51] <s|k> I can't print right
[04:51] <johnmournahan> anyone herd of mythtv?
[04:51] <_JECKEL_> yeah I got those
[04:51] <LjL> s|k: don't think formatting and reinstalling will solve any of these.
[04:51] <Madpilot> _JECKEL_, yeah, the RestrictedFormats wiki page
[04:51] <Rug> johnmournahan: yes of course
[04:51] <_JECKEL_> yeah
[04:51] <s|k> LjL, :|
[04:51] <samwh> s|k is experiancing what we all did back in the 90's with linux:
[04:51] <johnmournahan> dose anyone use it
[04:51] <samwh> TERROR
[04:51] <s|k> what's that
[04:52] <s|k> heh
[04:52] <johnmournahan> that is here
[04:52] <odat> drakonan, i am simply trying to install ubuntu  i even went as far as to take one of the drive out and install but i still get a grub error 2   after reboot
[04:52] <HymnToLife> but FUNNY terror :p
[04:52] <s|k> I thought ubuntu was supposed to be easy
[04:52] <globe> how do I remedie the problem: X server cannot be started: no screens found
[04:52] <Rug> johnmournahan: did you try knoppixmyth ?
[04:52] <LjL> s|k: and windows is supposed to be secure. yeah.
[04:52] <samwh> hey, it cant be easy if you hardware aint on the HCL
[04:52] <LjL> and i'm supposed to be asleep
[04:52] <robertj> bwahaha, 90's was "What floppy disk series do I need for my motherboard?"
 Now THAT aint secure
[04:53] <olahi> is there winamp in ubuntu?
[04:53] <samwh> xmms
[04:53] <Rug> olahi: no xmms
[04:53] <olahi> ok
[04:53] <johnmournahan> rug > not yet I wanted to try and install but still have a usefull system untill i get my tv card to work
[04:53] <samwh> sudo apt-get install xmms
[04:53] <s|k> gjlxinfo gives me a whole bunch of lines like this: Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[04:53] <LjL> olahi: or beep-media-player. or a ton of other players which, however, don't look much like winamp
[04:53] <samwh> What card do you have?
[04:53] <drakonan> how old is this computer? it wouldn't be using any kind of drive loader software would it? maybe you could try manually removing all partitions/data before ubuntu unstall
[04:53] <Madpilot> samwh, um, SSH isn't secure?
[04:54] <dh0> hello
[04:54] <johnmournahan> adaptec usb videoH media center (avc 2310)
[04:54] <samwh> Well, ssh IS secure, but most people make it UNsecure
[04:54] <samwh> with shitty passwords
[04:54] <LjL> s|k: well, i can give you my xorg.conf. it's a bit different from yours, though not by much
[04:54] <HymnToLife> if SSH is not secue then what about NFS ? :/
[04:54] <Madpilot> samwh, that's user error, not a software problem :|
[04:54] <flint> ssh is about link security not about password security.  anybody know anything about sound here?
[04:54] <s|k> :/
[04:55] <olahi> ill do apt-get install xmms beep-mediaplayer    ..im install kubuntu-desktop this might take a moment
[04:55] <LjL> s|k: http://pastebin.com/584492
[04:55] <samwh> I know, i am just saying, WHY DO SO MANY USERS SAY: just ssh in...
[04:55] <s|k> thanks LjL
[04:55] <samwh> WHY THE FUCK SHOULD A REGULAR USER HAVE SSH even INSTALLED
[04:55] <HymnToLife> olahi> did you enable the KDE 3.5.1 repo ?
[04:55] <odat> drakonan, its a pretty nice machine i have no idea if it uses drive loader software
[04:55] <Madpilot> samwh, pass this URL around: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StrongPasswords - and mind the language, thanks
[04:55] <LjL> samwh: please don't shout, and don't use this kind of terms
[04:55] <globe> samwh: watch the language in here
[04:55] <HymnToLife> samwh> to look more geeky :p
[04:55] <drakonan> the file not found error suggests that the install didn't complete right odat, do you have data on the other HD? could you try installing on it and remove the other?
[04:55] <olahi> HymnToLife,  that i dont have any idea. cuz i did apt-get install kdebase and that xorg*
[04:56] <samwh> sorry, afk, gotta go calm down
[04:56] <drakonan> if it's relatively new it won't
[04:56] <cafuego> samwh: Because a lot of regular users use ssh.
[04:56] <mikebot> i'm following a guide that says: $ alien -t z600cups-1.0-1.i386.rpm # convert unusable rpm packages to tgz.
[04:56] <drakonan> yeah, what is a "regular user"?
[04:56] <wastrel> samwh:  it's not installed by default fyi
[04:56] <mikebot> but my terminal says alien is not a valid command
[04:56] <_JECKEL_> meh
[04:56] <Rug> samwh: what is your damage?
[04:56] <HymnToLife> olahi> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php
[04:56] <odat> drakonan, i did try that
[04:56] <_JECKEL_> totem-xine isn't working either
[04:56] <Madpilot> mikebot, "sudo apt-get install alien" first
[04:56] <mikebot> maddler, ah, thanks
[04:56] <mikebot> Madpilot, ***
[04:56] <olahi> k visiting the site
[04:57] <mikebot> Madpilot, what is alien?
[04:57] <_epp> hey... my cdrom on my mac wont mount.
[04:57] <mikebot> Madpilot, is it really necessaRY FOR ME TO INSTALL?
[04:57] <johnmournahan> just curious where is everyone from? Im Ontario Canada
[04:57] <mikebot> Madpilot, caps lock, sorry
[04:57] <HymnToLife> if you want to use it
[04:57] <Madpilot> mikebot, it converts rpms to .deb - what are you trying to install?
[04:57] <HymnToLife> yeah, it's better to have it installed
[04:57] <drakonan> does grub offer you the opportunity to type what you want after presenting your error?  you could try manually booting by typing in the stuff yourself
[04:57] <flint> _epp, try dmesg | grep hd.  The cd rom should be there.
[04:57] <DJ_tobias> does anybody play neverwinter nights diamond ?
[04:57] <mikebot> Madpilot, some lexmark driver for my dell
[04:58] <Madpilot> mikebot, ack - go buy an HP instead! :P
[04:58] <flint> my sound quit anybody got any ideas?  does breezy default to alsa?
[04:58] <mikebot> Madpilot, haha, this is more free
[04:58] <HymnToLife> Lexmark...
[04:58] <johnmournahan> can you get yast to work on ubuntu
[04:58] <HymnToLife> Do people actually BUY it ?
[04:58] <mikebot> Madpilot, *freer is guess i should have said
[04:58] <TrendyDark> what command would i use to move a file from one folder to another via the CLI?
[04:59] <drakonan> i did HymnToLife, but it's not something i'm proud of
[04:59] <HymnToLife> TrendyDark> mv
[04:59] <fossa> what's a cli?
[04:59] <wastrel> !tell trendydark about cli
[04:59] <drakonan> command line interface fossa
[04:59] <HymnToLife> Command Line Interface...
[04:59] <Rug> or short for clit
[04:59] <_epp> flint, join epppaste
[04:59] <wastrel> !tell fossa about cli
[04:59] <olahi> im just curious is there a user here working for ubuntu?
[04:59] <TrendyDark> thanks a lot hymntolife
[04:59] <fossa> mv
[04:59] <flint> TrendyDark, select file, right click tap cut, move to new folder see reverse video right click hit paste into folder...
[05:00] <Rug> the clit is real, it's the female orgasm that is fake
[05:00] <HymnToLife> flint> wow
[05:00] <DJ_tobias> could anybody help me with this problem:
[05:00] <flint> _epp, gotcha
[05:00] <DJ_tobias> @slave:/secondary/games/nwn$ ./nwn
[05:00] <DJ_tobias> Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed)
[05:00] <cafuego> rug: As opposed to the troll, which exists.
[05:00] <HymnToLife> you can do that from the command line ?
[05:00] <drakonan> haha caf
[05:00] <Madpilot> olahi, "working for" - probably not, lots of us volunteer for the Ubuntu project...
[05:00] <olahi> is ubuntu from an asian coders?
[05:00] <drakonan> are there people actually hired by ubuntu?
[05:00] <Rug> cafuego: sorry just quoting lines from "Jay and Silent Bob strike back"
[05:00] <olahi> Madpilot,  cool
[05:00] <cafuego> olahi: No, constrbutors to ubuntu live all over the world.
[05:01] <engla> olahi: ubuntu is from GNU/Linux, developed by everyone elsewhere
[05:01] <Madpilot> drakonan, yes, Canonical employs about 40-50 people
[05:01] <olahi> ic but the supported or the one who finace ubuntu is that billionaire guy right?
[05:01] <samwh> how does Canonical make *cash* anyways?
[05:01] <cafuego> olahi: shuttleworth, yes.
[05:01] <cafuego> samwh: paid support
[05:02] <Madpilot> samwh, currently they probably don't - but see what cafuego said for how they intend to
[05:02] <lnx_> anyone know how to turn off low battery notifications?
[05:02] <samwh> and thats enough to pay for all these free cds?
[05:02] <robertj> Madpilot, how many of those 40-50 are tech guys?
[05:02] <Healot> yeah commercial support, training etc?
[05:02] <cafuego> samwh: No, those get paid for by SHuttleworths billions :-)
[05:02] <Madpilot> robertj, not sure, but most of them I think
[05:02] <olahi> cool the ubuntu company gave me 300cds of that version before 5.10
[05:03] <HymnToLife> which percentage of those 100 CDs actually orked ?
[05:03] <olahi> he's giving free cds..wow..he must have a problem on how to throw his money
[05:03] <olahi> hehehe
[05:03] <drakonan> that's awesome
[05:03] <robertj> olahi, same problem as you, just more of it
[05:03] <olahi> while im having a problem earning a money
[05:03] <drakonan> free cd's
[05:03] <cafuego> olahi: Indeed. Spending it on a space trip wasn't enough.
[05:03] <Rug> HymnToLife: why are there some that don't work?
[05:03] <lnx_> anyone out there know how to turn off the low battery notifications?
[05:04] <HymnToLife> Rug> we get lots of ppl complaining their shipped CDs don't work
[05:04] <cafuego> lnx_: right click the battery status applet, check the prefs.
[05:04] <Rug> really?   bummer.  I was going to order a bunch of Dapper
[05:04] <globe> can somebody help me get my gui started? gdm is broken on new install on laptop
[05:04] <cafuego> HymnToLife: Yes, amazing how many people whine about free stuff.
[05:04] <Madpilot> Rug, most of them work - we only see the problems here, though :P
[05:04] <HymnToLife> well, I ordered 15 CDs
[05:04] <olahi> oh by the way
[05:04] <HymnToLife> and only 2 of them didn't work
[05:04] <olahi> is wine supported in ubuntu?
[05:04] <Madpilot> olahi, sure
[05:05] <olahi> cool
[05:05] <Rug> I work help-desk at an ISP, I wanaa hand them out to everybody
[05:05] <HymnToLife> !tell olahi about wine
[05:05] <Lao> when does Dapper go stable?
[05:05] <cafuego> April 20.
[05:05] <HymnToLife> Lao> release date is April 20th if I remeber well
[05:05] <Lao> cool shiz
[05:05] <asdfmn> Hey guys, I got a question: I'm looking to run OSS/ARTS/etc applications under ALSA.. how can I do this?
[05:06] <lnx_> cafuego, thx
[05:06] <cK-gLocK> can anyone helpme enable 3d accelerationn my vidcard? i ended up removing my 7667 nvidia drivers and tried reinstalling them now there not working properly plus it was using nvidia b4 i removed them to attmept to update drivers now that i reinstalled it again with synaptic it doesnt wanna install under "nvidia" nomore its instead "nv" and i cant run any games nvidia-settings menu has no options that wer ethere b4 temp/gfx settings
[05:06] <cK-gLocK> ... NEED HELP.
[05:06] <asdfmn> nvidia-glx-config enable
[05:06] <Lao> I'm trying to get a lug together at my local college so I'll try to get my ass in gear and maybe make a first meeting on the day after so I can dl it and PLAY WITH IT
[05:07] <samwh> woo
[05:07] <Rug> Lao: very nice.  Good luck
[05:07] <samwh> got XGL working
[05:07] <Rug> purdy?
[05:07] <Lao> any one know how to disable touch click on a laptop touchpad
[05:07] <pramz> what video card ?
[05:07] <drakonan> the space flight was $20 million?
[05:07] <samwh> yes yes, purdy indeed
[05:07] <Rug> Lao: it;s in the bios
[05:07] <HymnToLife> Lao> for games maybe you could spend a few bucks on cedega
[05:07] <Lao> oh shit
[05:07] <Lao> I'm not confortable playing in bios yet
[05:08] <Rug> yet you are hacking away at linux....
[05:08] <Lao> cedega?
[05:08] <wastrel> Lao:  put this line in the "synaptics" section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf:       Option          "MaxTapTime"            "0"
[05:08] <Rug> go for it, nothing a hammer won't fix
[05:08] <olahi> how can i browse to my /mount/hda1 im using a normal user and not as root ..i need to use this ubuntu browser
[05:08] <wastrel> Lao:  for a synaptics touchpad...
[05:08] <asdfmn> Is there any way I can use ALSA in programs that insist on using OSS/ARTS/etc
[05:08] <olahi> this must be konqueror
[05:08] <olahi> it says dont have an access
[05:08] <KentJonathan> Excume what is the forms for chat in IRC?
[05:08] <KentJonathan> No X-chat and mIRC
[05:08] <crimsun> asdfmn: arts can use alsa
[05:08] <Lao> i don't know what kinda touch pad I have
[05:08] <asdfmn> Well..
[05:09] <mattwestm> I just setup sendmail, where does the mail go to when someone sends me one?
[05:09] <HymnToLife> !tell olahi about ntfs
[05:09] <mikebot> when i double click a file on my desktop (bookmarks.html) it says "Couldn't display .../bookmarks.html"
[05:09] <mikebot> why is that?
[05:09] <Madpilot> KentJonathan, "the forms"? You're in IRC right now, just ask your questions...
[05:09] <olahi> it's already mounted when i typed mount in terminal it was mounted at /media/hda1
[05:09] <KentJonathan> Yes but i don like the progra of X-chat
[05:09] <KentJonathan> i want another program
[05:09] <asdfmn> My ALSA lets me use have multiple sounds, but often applications use other crap and I can't listen to ALSA
[05:09] <wastrel> Lao:  grep -i synaptics /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:09] <asdfmn> Like if I start up zsnes I get a sound init failure unless I end amaroK
[05:10] <robertj> Madpilot, maybe he is a philosopher?
[05:10] <Madpilot> KentJonathan, there are lots of IRC apps in the Ubuntu repos - start Synaptic and search for IRC
[05:10] <KentJonathan> Like a mIRC
[05:10] <HymnToLife> KentJonathan> you can run mIRC through wine
[05:10] <Lao> wastrel: can you im me on AIM my sn is Zentronics
[05:11] <wastrel> Lao:  sry i'm not on aim
[05:11] <KentJonathan> how is the duration of the install the wine because i am install the program
[05:11] <mxpxpod> KentJonathan: you can also do irc with gaim
[05:11] <Lao> np btw in that xorg file I found the synaptics lines Im gonna give it a shot
[05:11] <Lao> do I need to reboot?
[05:12] <mxpxpod> Lao: no, just logout and restart gdm
[05:12] <pr0cty> i downloaded the vmx/vmdk Ubuntu off of the ubuntu test site...anyone have info about using it
[05:12] <HymnToLife> KentJonathan> the installation of WINE ?
[05:12] <pr0cty> im not familiar with using already made ..machines
[05:12] <KentJonathan> yes
[05:12] <Lao> ok
[05:12] <KentJonathan> i am install the program
[05:12] <HymnToLife> it depends on your connection speed
[05:12] <wastrel> Lao:  logging out & back in should work, once you make the change to /etc/X11/xorg.conf  (backup the xorg.conf first!)
[05:12] <Lao> whats the command to edit in vi editor
[05:12] <mikebot> when i double click a file on my desktop (bookmarks.html) it says "Couldn't display .../bookmarks.html"
[05:12] <mikebot> why is that?
[05:12] <HymnToLife> the package is quite big
[05:12] <Gokz> hi guys im giong to try one last time..can anyone guide me to installing an RT2500 card, while ubuntu is installed as a server. PLEASE
[05:13] <Madpilot> Lao, use nano, it's much saner than vi
[05:13] <wastrel> Lao:  if you're not familiar with vi, nano would be easier
[05:13] <HymnToLife> vi rocks
[05:13] <asdfmn> How can I get/force an application to use ALSA?
[05:13] <Lao> ok
[05:13] <HymnToLife> screw emacs :p <= worst troll ever
[05:13] <mxpxpod> now, lets not get into an editor war ;)
[05:14] <Gokz> PLEASE someone help me on how to install an RT2500 card in ubuntu installed a server. I am definatly new at this..
[05:14] <Madpilot> Editor holy wars can take place in #ubuntu-offtopic - and I'll keep recommending gedit or nano to everyone here :P
[05:14] <Gokz> by the way i have searched the WIKI and i really cant get it..
[05:14] <cinder> !e17
[05:14] <HymnToLife> Gokz> if no one answers, that's maybe because no one knows...
[05:14] <absent> could someone please help me with php?
[05:14] <Madpilot> Gokz, have you looked at www.ubuntuforums.org as well?
[05:14] <absent> or more specifically apache
[05:15] <HymnToLife> Madpilot> am I allowed to recommend kwrite instead of gedit ? :D
[05:15] <absent> i am having trouble with it
[05:15] <HymnToLife> !tell absent about anyone
[05:15] <Gokz> Madpilot - > i think its instructions are based on the fact that ubuntu is installed normally
[05:15] <absent> in fedora you type service httpd start but it wont work in ubuntu
[05:16] <mikebot> on my desktop i have a folder named 'downloads' but it says 'download' on one line and 's' on a second line...can i make it so it doesn't do this?
[05:16] <absent> what package do i need?
[05:16] <Madpilot> HymnToLife, sure, but that might start a DE war instead of an editor war :P
[05:16] <HymnToLife> yeah
[05:16] <olahi> how do i reload my /etc/fstab?
[05:16] <Madpilot> !tell absent about lamp
[05:16] <Healot> it's /etc/init.d/httpd?
[05:16] <HymnToLife> and we already got through the DEs
[05:16] <olahi> i have just edited my /etc/fstab to auto mount my ntfs /dev/hda1
[05:16] <olahi> ?
[05:16] <Healot> you don't reload the file... olahi, you remount
[05:16] <Healot> mount -a
[05:16] <HymnToLife> olahi> sudo mout -a
[05:16] <mikebot> we should have sex sometime
[05:16] <HymnToLife> mount*
[05:16] <wastrel> Lao:  did it work?
[05:17] <olahi> sudo mount -a
[05:17] <olahi> sorry Healot  i use the wrong phrase
[05:17] <HymnToLife> in the terminal olahi ;)
[05:17] <olahi> yes
[05:17] <shiv> is it possible to have kde and gnome together?
[05:17] <mikebot> shiv, yes
[05:17] <HymnToLife> of course shiv
[05:17] <HymnToLife> that's what I always have
[05:17] <Healot> nvm, really...
[05:17] <Lao> haven't tried yet, honestly I don't feel confortable messing with major files yet, I'm still pretty new
[05:17] <mikebot> shiv, but if you have both, and want to use gnome, for some reason your login screen will be kubuntu
[05:18] <Lao> today marks week 2 of Linux use
[05:18] <mikebot> shiv, don't ask me why
[05:18] <mikebot> shiv, i'm still trying to figure it out
[05:18] <Madpilot> shiv, you can run kde stuff on gnome, or vice verse, too - I run k3b on Gnome
[05:18] <HymnToLife> no mikebot
[05:18] <shiv> hmm
[05:18] <elkbuntu> your login screen will always be relevent to the last desktop package installed
[05:18] <HymnToLife> you can choose whatever your login screen is when installing KDE
[05:18] <mikebot> is there a way to change it back to gnome?
[05:18] <HymnToLife> certainly
[05:18] <mikebot> heh
[05:18] <HymnToLife> but I don't know it
[05:19] <shiv> u mean I can either login to Gnome or Kde at the login screen. Just choose the session u  mean?
[05:19] <mikebot> hah okay
[05:19] <HymnToLife> yes shiv
[05:19] <elkbuntu> you could try installing or reinstalling the ubuntu-desktop package
[05:19] <shiv> so how do I install it ?
[05:19] <asdfmn> How can I get an application that doesn't use ALSA to use ALSA? There are no configuration options.. and if I run say OSS while Alsa is running it doesn't start unless I end the app using ALSA/etc
[05:19] <HymnToLife> shiv > which one do you have atm ?
[05:19] <mikebot> on my desktop i have a folder named 'downloads' but it says 'download' on one line and 's' on a second line...can i make it so it doesn't do this?
[05:19] <shiv> GNome
[05:19] <elkbuntu> shiv sudo apt-get install kubuntu desktop
[05:19] <shiv> hmm
[05:19] <elkbuntu> shiv sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:19] <shiv> thanks
[05:20] <shiv> let me try
[05:20] <HymnToLife> and don't forget to add the KDE 3.5.1 repo before
[05:20] <mikebot> HymnToLife, on my desktop i have a folder named 'downloads' but it says 'download' on one line and 's' on a second line...can i make it so it doesn't do this?
[05:20] <HymnToLife> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php for details
[05:20] <HymnToLife> mikebot> why me ?
[05:20] <shiv> hope it does not mess up anything. I am running everything fine after 3 days of hard work
[05:20] <mikebot> HymnToLife, i don't know
[05:20] <HymnToLife> lol I don't have a clue
[05:21] <mikebot> okay
[05:21] <mikebot> Madpilot, on my desktop i have a folder named 'downloads' but it says 'download' on one line and 's' on a second line...can i make it so it doesn't do this?
[05:21] <HymnToLife> don't worry shiv it won't ;)
[05:21] <mikebot> no one listens when you just type it without a name
[05:21] <shiv> thanks let me go ahead
[05:21] <mikebot> but when it has someones name, and shows up in red
[05:21] <mikebot> oh theyr ead it
[05:21] <Madpilot> mikebot, yeah, they read it, and have no idea how to solve your problem... sorry :P
[05:21] <mikebot> Madpilot, argh, okay
[05:22] <HymnToLife> try setting a shorter name :D
[05:22] <mikebot> Madpilot, HymnToLife, but you guys know what i'm talking about right? how it's on a different line?
[05:22] <HymnToLife> DLs :p
[05:22] <mikebot> it's "downloads"
[05:22] <mikebot> "download" would look funny
[05:22] <shiv> so after this install I just restart the PC, is that right?
[05:22] <mikebot> but i guess it would fit
[05:22] <Madpilot> mikebot, yeah, I do, but I'm not sure if there's a setting to tweak to change/fix that
[05:22] <HymnToLife> not necessarily
[05:22] <asdfmn> Change the font size for desktop icons
[05:22] <HymnToLife> you just logout and login back in KDE
[05:22] <asdfmn> Lol, true!
[05:22] <pr0cty> im about to run the 5.10 vmx, how does that differ from the vmdk [disk] ? and would it affect my XP drives
[05:23] <wastrel> i think there's some wrapper prog that you can use to let an oss prog use alsa
[05:23] <mikebot> HymnToLife, i also have a folder "things that i have written for school, or other things i may have written"
[05:23] <wastrel> asdfmn:  aoss
[05:23] <wastrel> mikebot:  gnome or kde?
[05:23] <HymnToLife> mikebot> that is NOT funny :p
[05:23] <Healot> pr0cty, you shall use VMware or VMware player to boot that virtual disk
[05:23] <mikebot> wastrel, gnome
[05:24] <mikebot> wastrel, and if you know how to change my login screen without reinstalling anything
[05:24] <mikebot> HymnToLife, heh
[05:24] <Healot> anyway, it's a virtual machine, IT should not affect your host OD
[05:24] <Healot> OS
[05:24] <asdfmn> aoss gives me f***ing horrible quality, not to mention I also don't want this only for oss.
[05:24] <Coag> Is there a dapper specific channel?
[05:24] <asdfmn> #ubuntu+1
[05:24] <olahi> do i have to reformat my pc just to get the latest version of ubuntu?
[05:24] <wastrel> mikebot:  login screen?  you mean the gdm theme?
[05:24] <pr0cty> didnt think, so..just having the workstation..and ppl saying use vmplayer..wasnt sure how itd go
[05:24] <HymnToLife> olahi> no
[05:25] <pr0cty> im good now i think
[05:25] <Bung> ive installed xfce4 with apt-get, and ive just tried to install xfce4-goodies, but after restarting xfce, the items still arent available
[05:25] <olahi> what if the old version is not supported anymore?
[05:25] <mikebot> wastrel, i don't know what gdm theme is...i have kde and gnome, and my login screen is kde
[05:25] <wastrel> mikebot:  the icon name thing - check nautilus prefs maybe...
[05:25] <Healot> they still support older ubuntu releases,...
[05:25] <Healot> commercially that is
[05:25] <Madpilot> olahi, no, you can upgrade in place quite easily
[05:25] <HymnToLife> olahi> you do _not_ have to format to install the new vrsion
[05:25] <olahi> supposing im using ubuntu as my mail postfix mysql and apache,sshd and ftp server, do i have to reformat it?
[05:25] <Bung> does anyone else run xfce? and have the goodies working?
[05:25] <Healot> it's better if you do the upgrade... apt-get dist-upgrade to be exact
[05:25] <wastrel> mikebot:  i don't know how to change kdm (kde display manager) themes. but i bet kde theme websites do.... maybe kde-look.org?
[05:26] <HymnToLife> for the thir time olahi > NON
[05:26] <Healot> mikebot, type dpkg-reconfigure kdm... if you installed kdm :)
[05:26] <mikebot> wastrel, argh, okay
[05:26] <olahi> cuz like fedora every six months it has new version and few months the old version gets legacy or unsupported anymore
[05:26] <Madpilot> olahi, no
[05:26] <Madpilot> !tell olahi about upgrade
[05:26] <Healot> they still support older release...
[05:26] <mikebot> Healot, YES
[05:27] <olahi> they? who?
[05:27] <Healot> but via community...
[05:27] <HymnToLife> w00T, 5:30 am
[05:27] <HymnToLife> guess I should go to bed
[05:27] <mikebot> Healot, thank you
[05:27] <mikebot> Healot, on my desktop i have a folder named 'downloads' but it says 'download' on one line and 's' on a second line...can i make it so it doesn't do this?
[05:27] <Madpilot> olahi, the URL the bot just sent you has info on the Hoary->Breezy upgrade, that'll give you some idea of what's involved in updating your Ubuntu install
[05:27] <mikebot> haha
[05:27] <Healot> mikebot, you can set the size of the icom to be wider...
[05:27] <Healot> so it support more characters in one line?
[05:28] <mikebot> Healot, isa that the oinly solution?
[05:28] <Healot> on kde, check out the kde control panel...
[05:28] <Healot> YES, mike bot... or use smaller font for icons?
[05:28] <mikebot> Healot, okay thanks
[05:28] <HymnToLife> going to bed
[05:28] <Healot> well, that's make it not the only option right, haha jo idiot
[05:28] <HymnToLife> good night people :)
[05:28] <pr0cty> later
[05:29] <mikebot> Healot, where doi i chagnet he font size?
[05:30] <Healot> well, Take a look at Desktop side bar, or whatever you called it?
[05:30] <mikebot> i called it soemthign?
[05:30] <Healot> drop down the tree... somewhere there... not using KDE atm though
[05:30] <Healot> oh tree list...
[05:30] <mikebot> i'm actually using gnome
[05:30] <mikebot> but
[05:31] <Healot> ok, then goto System -> Preferences -> Font...
[05:31] <Healot> Check out the Desktop font, choose smaller font, i guess
[05:31] <Coag> ok well #ubuntu+1 is dead
[05:31] <Coag> so I'll ask here
[05:32] <dabaR> In one line?
[05:32] <Coag> I did a fresh install of dapper and X gave me two errors, one about GLCore, and one about the Core Pointer Device
[05:32] <mikebot> ugh,changing it to 9 still doesn't do it
[05:32] <Coag> it seems /dev/input/mice does not exist
[05:32] <Healot> well, try smaller?
[05:32] <asdfmn> How can I figure out what sound system an application uses? Like ALSA/OSS/etc?
[05:32] <Coag> how can I go about finding my mouse? :?
[05:32] <mikebot> iw ant tor ead them too though
[05:32] <Healot> or different font...
[05:32] <mikebot> it's okay though
[05:32] <Healot> preferably mono font
[05:32] <mikebot> i'll just limit my folder names
[05:33] <Healot> mikebot, try to change theme, might work?
[05:33] <asdfmn> When you reboot it automatically resizes the names so it's not like that
[05:33] <mikebot> i like this brown theme though
[05:33] <asdfmn> ..
[05:33] <mikebot> haha
[05:33] <mikebot> it's okay
[05:33] <Healot> different theme has different font settings
[05:33] <Healot> or you have very small screen?
[05:33] <wastrel> Coag:  usb mouse?
[05:34] <Coag> yes
[05:34] <asdfmn> How can I figure out what sound system an application uses? Like ALSA/OSS/etc?
[05:34] <wastrel> Coag:  lsusb to see if it's recognized
[05:34] <elkbuntu> what application are you referring to?
[05:34] <crimsun> asdfmn: lsof, ldd, etc.
[05:34] <dabaR> asdfmn: is it in the preferences?
[05:34] <asdfmn> No it's not
[05:34] <dabaR> ok, go with crimsun
[05:34] <KurtKraut> Is there a way of editing ID3 with Rhythymbox ?
[05:34] <mikebot> Healot, 1280x1024
[05:34] <Coag> wastrel
[05:35] <Coag> nothing came up from lsusb
[05:35] <Healot> mikebot, let's say. was it the desktop icon, or the file manager icon?
[05:35] <asdfmn> I'm referring to Zsnes atm, but not limited to in the future..
[05:35] <crimsun> KurtKraut: not really, but you can install easytag
[05:35] <mikebot> Healot, desktop
[05:35] <wastrel> Coag:  mmm. that would be why /dev/input/mice doesn't exist  :]
[05:35] <Coag> heh
[05:35] <Madpilot> KurtKraut, to edit id3 tags, try EasyTag or Cowbell (I prefer EasyTag myself)
[05:35] <Healot> well, mine is 1024x768 (4:3) and 10 mono font is file... I has icons lke 16 characters long and still in a line
[05:36] <Coag> dmesg | grep USB turns up the mouse being recognized
[05:36] <Healot> both file manager/desktop
[05:36] <davelopue> hello all
[05:36] <Healot> and default Human theme
[05:36] <KurtKraut> crimsun, Madpilot thanks for the help, but this issue made me feel that Rhythymbox as a 'incomplete' tool ;/
[05:36] <olahi> does kaffeine support mp3?
[05:37] <davelopue> not to cause flames, but would someone please make linux work correctly?
[05:37] <Healot> yes. with the appropriate plugins installed
[05:37] <wastrel> Coag:  k, so your usb modules may need restarting ?  i'm not super familiar w/ usb troubleshooting
[05:37] <olahi> how do i get the plugin for kaffeine?
[05:37] <mikebot> Healot, hrm, i have default theme (the brown one) at 1280x1024, and can only fit 8 characters with Sans font at size 9
[05:37] <Healot> define "does not work correctly", brief and detail
[05:37] <Healot> weird, mikebot, in your case
[05:37] <s|k> I don't have sound
[05:37] <codin> hi
[05:37] <s|k> :/
[05:37] <Madpilot> davelopue, right after someone makes Windows work "correctly"
[05:38] <s|k> ubotu, sound
[05:38] <ubotu> sound is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[05:38] <mikebot> Healot, argh, okay, thanks anyway
[05:38] <Madpilot> KurtKraut, EasyTag is a very good app - rolling it into a play doesn't strike me as useful...
[05:39] <Madpilot> *a player, that is... :P
[05:39] <Healot> to play mp3/mpeg audio 1,2,3, just install libmad... it should work for most gnome/kde apps
[05:39] <davelopue> madpilot: i hear that ubuntu has fewer buggs so i install it.. chown is buggy durring instillation so it takes me 2 hours of troubbleshooting to get x running (besides the age old x.org conf) so now i got x up and the wifi doesn't work, the sound doesn't work, the 3d acceleration doesn't work, and when try to start the "synaptics"? program to add applications it does NOTHING! no error, no nothing
[05:39] <KurtKraut> Madpilot, yes it is useful. Rhythymbox arranges music fully based on ID3 tags. So if you notice something wrong, you cant fix it thru Rh, so this is boring
[05:40] <gmoore> i need to be able to send smtp mail on my windows system. is it possible to set up my Ubuntu system to send smtp mail somehow, and use it like a relay?
[05:40] <erisco> how can I get .rar support?
[05:40] <GTroy> erisco: pay money
[05:40] <davelopue> i get to either spend $300 for an opperating system that gives me NO CONTROLL WHAT SO EVER or spend a month getting the other to play a friggin' dvd
[05:40] <davelopue> sorry, i just had to vent for a minute...
[05:40] <olahi> Building dependency tree... Done
[05:40] <olahi> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu breezy/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/mirror.cc.columbia.edu_pub_software_kde_stable_3.5.1_kubuntu_dists_breezy_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[05:40] <olahi> :(
[05:41] <olahi> why is that?
[05:41] <Asus> DCC SEND IrcCrashInitialized.
[05:41] <erisco> GTroy, can you be a bit more specific?
[05:41] <GTroy> erisco: you can use it for a while
[05:41] <GTroy> erisco: but after so many days you have to pay for it
[05:41] <asdfmn> How can I get an application, such as zsnes, or Alien Arena, that don't use ALSA, to use ALSA.. and I'm not including AOSS (Crap quality, and only for OSS IMO)
[05:41] <proxosi> hi guys do anyone have expreience on domain, webhosting?
[05:41] <erisco> GTroy, is there a package for it then?
[05:42] <GTroy> erisco: sudo apt-get rar?
[05:42] <GTroy> I think that's it
[05:42] <Healot> olahi, maybe there is not such package on the specified server? or the server offline, or you can't connect to that repos server?
[05:42] <erisco> GTroy, I will give that a go then
[05:42] <Healot> "install"
[05:42] <olahi> Building dependency tree... Done
[05:42] <olahi> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu breezy/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/mirror.cc.columbia.edu_pub_software_kde_stable_3.5.1_kubuntu_dists_breezy_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[05:42] <GTroy> erisco: yeah, sudo apt-get install rar!!!
[05:42] <olahi> i got that when doing apt-get update
[05:42] <GTroy> erisco: skip the exclamations
[05:42] <odat> ok i give up i can not get ubuntu installed
[05:43] <KentJonathan> how i can make more ip's ?
[05:43] <illest> how do i run window apps under linux
[05:43] <Madpilot> davelopue, if you're really having that many problems, try a total reinstall...
[05:43] <olahi> all the new breezy sites i just added has a problem
[05:43] <GTroy> illest: some run some don't under wine and cedega
[05:43] <KentJonathan> of my connection of interent
[05:43] <Healot> why the hell you need to run Windows app in linux in the first place?
[05:43] <dabaR> olahi: well, remove them.
[05:43] <Kr4t05> Does someone wanna tell me how to get to the effing KDE Control Center?
[05:43] <illest> exept wine
[05:43] <Madpilot> olahi, can you pastebin your sources.list, please?
[05:43] <Healot> use Windows to run Windows app for bill's sake
[05:43] <Kr4t05> Please?
[05:43] <davelopue> Madpilot, this is the total reinstall
[05:44] <erisco> GTroy, and this will stop functioning after a period of time?
[05:44] <s|k> http://pastebin.com/584541  <---- does that look like my sound stuff is being detected?
[05:44] <dabaR> Kr4t05: did you ask #kubuntu?
[05:44] <davelopue> Madpilot,  this is the first time i've been in X
[05:44] <s|k> sound hardware*
[05:44] <KentJonathan> ?
[05:44] <KentJonathan> !ips
[05:44] <ubotu> I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, KentJonathan
[05:44] <KentJonathan> !ip
[05:44] <ubotu> Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, KentJonathan
[05:44] <GTroy> erisco: yep, but there's a free rar too
[05:44] <Bung> does anyone have the xfce4-goodies working?
[05:44] <GTroy> erisco: but it's not as good
[05:44] <odat> ubuntu detects my drives and installs the system but neither grub  nor lilo will boot ubuntu
[05:44] <dabaR> KentJonathan: what do you mean make IPs?
[05:45] <erisco> GTroy, what is this "free" rar and how is it worse?
[05:45] <s|k> can anyone help me please :/
[05:45] <Madpilot> davelopue, OK - start with the simplest problem - Synaptic not coming up - no errors when you go System -> Admin ->Synaptic then type your own user pw?
[05:45] <GTroy> erisco: doesn't extract as many types of files
[05:45] <olahi> http://pastebin.com/584542   <--these are the new lines i added and gave me an error
[05:45] <GTroy> erisco: I think there's three types of rar files
[05:45] <dabaR> s|k: ask crimsun
[05:45] <dabaR> olahi: remove them.
[05:45] <Healot> i hate whining linux users... can't you be more specific?
[05:45] <s|k> crimsun, my sound isn't working
[05:46] <s|k> would you mind helping me please?
[05:46] <KentJonathan> dabar <IP_ADDRESS> i have that ip  i want more example <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:46] <olahi> k
[05:46] <dabaR> KentJonathan: and do you think this is best discussed with your ISP?
[05:46] <odat> ubuntu detects my drives and installs the system but neither grub  nor lilo  work
[05:47] <dabaR> KentJonathan: IPs do not just get created. They get assigned.
[05:47] <KentJonathan> but i want more ips because i want to put psyBNC ..
[05:47] <dabaR> If you would like to get more computers online, use a networking device such as a router or a hub/switch
[05:47] <olahi> what does this konqueror says " cant init audio driver alsasink trying another one..
[05:47] <Healot> why breezy drops kudzu?
[05:47] <dabaR> KentJonathan: If you need more public IP addresses, contact your ISP.
[05:47] <gmoore> postfix wants to know for what network blocks should this machine relay mail; it has entered "<IP_ADDRESS>/8". if i want it to relay mail from any computer on my network (192.168.0.X) what would i change that to?
[05:47] <Madpilot> KentJonathan, each piece of hardware usually only has one IP...
[05:47] <olahi> and it says again no useable audio
[05:47] <erisco> GTroy, what is the package name for that then?
[05:47] <crimsun> s|k: what's the issue?
[05:48] <KentJonathan> dabaR okey
[05:48] <s|k> my sound isn't working crimsun
[05:48] <s|k> I installed ubuntu yesterday
[05:48] <dabaR> s|k: you had some pastebin post?
[05:48] <s|k> and it's never worked
[05:48] <GTroy> erisco: hmm can't remember right now
[05:48] <s|k> http://pastebin.com/584541  <---- does that look like my sound stuff is being detected?
[05:48] <s|k> dabaR, ^^
[05:48] <GTroy> erisco: are you using rar to open video?
[05:48] <s|k> that's all the output the website said I should look at
[05:48] <wastrel> gmoore:  leave the 127 and add <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:49] <wastrel> gmoore:  er <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[05:49] <erisco> GTroy, I am using rar to extract compressed files
[05:49] <gmoore> so would the entire entry look like "<IP_ADDRESS>/24" ?
[05:49] <davelopue> madpilot: thanks for offering you're help, but i'll see what i can fix on my own first
[05:49] <Healot> oh mail setup...
[05:49] <dabaR> Who knows how to get rails set up on Ubuntu?
[05:49] <erisco> GTroy, I believe the free version allows this
[05:49] <odat> HELP ubuntu detects my drives and installs the system but neither grub  nor lilo  work
[05:49] <wastrel> gmoore:  you want the 127 number there also
[05:49] <GTroy> erisco: I'll look for the free rar version
[05:49] <Healot> among the most confusing setup ever, in *NIXes
[05:49] <Alexi5> wazzup
[05:49] <erisco> GTroy, I would appreciate that
[05:50] <Healot> there is the free rar
[05:50] <Alexi5> everytime i try to use windows i end up going back to ubuntu
[05:50] <gmoore> wastrel: how do i put them both in? as in what would it look like? delimited by something?
[05:50] <dabaR> odat: how do they not work, in what way?
[05:50] <wastrel> gmoore:  what are you looking at?  some configuration wizard, or a text config file?
[05:50] <GTroy> erisco: sudo apt-get install unrar-free
[05:50] <gmoore> dpkg-reconfigure postfix
[05:51] <crimsun> s|k: your hda chipset's driver is loaded
[05:51] <shiv> when should I use update and when should I use upgrade?
[05:51] <Coag> wastrel: the problem was fixed by my rebooting :P
[05:51] <wastrel> gmoore:  try space separated
[05:51] <odat> dabaR, grub says      error 2
[05:51] <s|k> crimsun, so what do you think the issue might be
[05:51] <crimsun> s|k: does ``aplay /usr/share/sounds/startup.wav'' not give you anything?
[05:51] <wastrel> yay
[05:51] <gmoore> so it should look like "<IP_ADDRESS>/8 <IP_ADDRESS>/24"  ?
[05:51] <odat> dabaR, and when i tried lilo i got a bunch of 9999
[05:51] <wastrel> gmoore:  i'd go with that :]
[05:51] <Healot> however there is not "free" 'rar'...
[05:51] <gmoore> k one sec trying it
[05:51] <dabaR> :(
[05:51] <erisco> GTroy, alrighty then
[05:51] <dabaR> Again I broke my packages.
[05:51] <Healot> try the flag lba32, odat >?
[05:52] <s|k> crimsun, it says: Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/startup.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo
[05:52] <s|k> but I don't hear anything
[05:52] <GTroy> erisco: pm if you got what you needed
[05:52] <dabaR> odat: well, get the live CD, and try installing grub that way.
[05:52] <Healot> and after that re-run lilo
[05:52] <s|k> sound is not muted and volume isup
[05:52] <erisco> Gtroy, hopefully when the rar trial runs out, the free one will have no problems overriding it
[05:52] <KentJonathan> if i finesh the download of wine he support in this time the extension of .exe/
[05:52] <GTroy> erisco: yep, what happened to me
[05:52] <dabaR> :((
[05:52] <Healot> s|k, do you know what's the model/brand of your sound card? you really need to know about your hardware before installing any *NIXes
[05:53] <s|k> it's realltek Healot
[05:53] <s|k> the output says IBM
[05:53] <Healot> what model?
[05:53] <s|k> :/
[05:53] <Healot> what output?
[05:53] <gmoore> wastrel: sweet i can telnet to <system>:25 from my windows comp and it replies to ehlo, looks good. thanks
[05:53] <s|k> let me try and find out
[05:53] <dabaR> http://pastebin.com/584548 :(
[05:53] <shiv> when should I use apt-get update and when should I use apt-get upgrade?
[05:53] <s|k> I belive it's on the motherboard Healot
[05:53] <Healot> ac97?
[05:53] <dabaR> That is a sudo aptitude -f install. And I only have breezy sources.
[05:53] <s|k> http://pastebin.com/584541  <---- this output Healot
[05:53] <Healot> or a pci card?
[05:54] <crimsun> s|k: probably just a missing register init
[05:54] <wastrel> np np
[05:54] <crimsun> s|k: following the directions that are being sent to you
[05:54] <crimsun> !tell s|k about alsa-source
[05:54] <gmoore> wastrel: AWESOME, it relays mail fast as hell too. thanks
[05:54] <s|k> k
[05:54] <crimsun> s|k: choose the "hda-intel" driver when you get to the dpkg-reconfigure stage
[05:55] <crimsun> s|k: also, answer "yes" to debug and plug n' play
[05:55] <KentJonathan> Help i have a question i will want to install the mirc.exe but he have error and i am install the wine
[05:55] <Healot> ALC880 Analog [ALC880 Analog]  ?
[05:55] <KentJonathan> how i can open the program
[05:55] <s|k> crimsun and Healot k yeah it says Intel High Definition Audio Realtek ALC861 8-channel
[05:55] <s|k> okay
[05:55] <s|k> crimsun, okay
[05:55] <Healot> hum...  you can always... get the driver from REaltek site... http://www,realtek.com.tw
[05:55] <odat> Healot, what is flag lba32?
[05:55] <s|k> tried that
[05:56] <dabaR> Still, even though the package system breaks like that...it is still pretty amazing that it can repair itself with just one command.
[05:56] <odat> dabaR, how do i install it from the live cd?
[05:56] <gmoore> wastrel: only thing is, i sent it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and the 'from' address is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>i certainly didn't set up postfix with any mention of eastlink.ca. what's going on there? :)
[05:56] <crimsun> Healot: that's not recommended
[05:56] <Healot> s|k, get the driver here www.station-drivers.com/page/realtek.htm
[05:56] <KentJonathan> ?
[05:56] <dabaR> odat: I am not sure. However, I have some clues. Google for knoppix grub repair, or so, and search the ubuntuforums.org and the wiki.ubuntu.com. If you try hard enough, I am sure you will be able to find good instructions.
[05:57] <Healot> but i solved most of my older realtek with kern 2.4...
[05:57] <asdfmn> checking for SDL - version >= 1.2.0... no
[05:57] <asdfmn>    ->   Whats the package name for SDL? I've installed libsdl1.2-dev and libsdl1.2debian and crap.
[05:57] <dabaR> crimsun: say if I was to determine a universe package breaks my system every time I install it. Do I report that anywhere?
[05:57] <Healot> well, with the newer 2.6, it configured fine
[05:57] <crimsun> dabaR: Malone
[05:57] <crimsun> dabaR: although that's a bit vague
[05:57] <dabaR> crimsun: OK, I will see whether it does it.
[05:57] <KentJonathan> One people can help me ?
[05:57] <s|k> thanks healot
[05:57] <dabaR> KentJonathan: you have to ask a question
[05:58] <wastrel> gmoore:  i assume postfix pulled that from your systems hostname ?   i'm not actually a postfix user
[05:58] <KentJonathan> dabaR i will install the wine y go to download the mirc6.17.exe but he dont open why? because i am install wine
[05:58] <dabaR> KentJonathan: Use xchat.
[05:58] <gmoore> actually i checked main.cf and it appears i set it up a long time ago to use my old isp's smtp server as a relay... hmmm. i hope it can send mail without using that as a relay, i really want it to be 'stand alone'
[05:59] <KentJonathan> dabaR he dont have proteccion to protect the channels of flood etc..
[05:59] <dabaR> KentJonathan: I do not use wine or mirc.
[05:59] <Rob_Dude> Can someone recomend a nice IDE for C#?
[06:00] <sudharsh> Mono
[06:00] <Healot> try monodevelop?
[06:00] <dabaR> Rob_Dude: sudo aptitude search mono
[06:00] <Healot> for windows, sharpdevelop
[06:00] <KentJonathan> but the X-chat he dont have proteccions :(
[06:00] <wastrel> gmoore:  actually it's probably better to use an ISP's mail server to relay - a lot of spam filters like to do reverse lookups on the systems trying to deliver mail to them and consider non-matching reverses spammy
[06:00] <gmoore> hehe unfortunately it isn't my mail server anymore as i'm moving every 4 months and i keep changing isp's :P
[06:01] <Rob_Dude> thank you
[06:01] <jp> hello
[06:01] <ubuntu> hi
[06:01] <Healot> s|k, well that page doesn't list the linux driver... http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/dlhd-2.aspx?lineid=2004052&famid=2004052&series=2004061&Software=True >> does
[06:01] <jp> I have a question
[06:01] <ubuntu> k
[06:01] <asdfmn> !SDL
[06:01] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, asdfmn
[06:02] <salah> Can I play chess Here?
[06:02] <s|k> thanks
[06:02] <Madpilot> jp, if you ask an actual question, you might get an actual answer :)
[06:02] <s|k> doing the alsa thing atm
[06:02] <ubuntu> :P\
[06:02] <crimsun> s|k: keep in mind if you use the drivers from realtek directly, we can't support you
[06:02] <salah> I mean is there any chess in Ubuntu'
[06:02] <s|k> crimsun, I'm doing it your way atm
[06:02] <s|k> ;|
[06:03] <Madpilot> salah, search Synaptic - I think there's a number of chess apps
[06:03] <KentJonathan> !kivirc
[06:03] <ubotu> Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, KentJonathan
[06:03] <Healot> "libsdl1.2debian", perhaps
[06:03] <dabaR> asdfmn: sudo aptitude search sdl
[06:04] <asdfmn> I did and downloaded just about all it f'ing gave me
[06:04] <KentJonathan> !kvirc
[06:04] <ubotu> KVIrc is a full-featured, intuitive Qt-based IRC client with MDI, a powerful scripting language, plugins, and optional suppis alsot for KDE 2.x. Check it out at http://www.kvirc.net/
[06:04] <s|k> crimsun, I'm getting the following error: http://pastebin.com/584554
[06:04] <salah> I downloaded one but How can I find it out
[06:04] <dabaR> I can move which partition my / is on, right?
[06:04] <KentJonathan> kvirc he have for linux?
[06:04] <ubuntu> i get hi display above 800x600 on a live cd but on in install all i get is 800x600. why and what do i need to do?
[06:05] <crimsun> s|k: apt-get -f install
[06:05] <crimsun> then continue
[06:05] <jp> I have installed edubuntu, kubuntu, and ubuntu Breezy all on the same HDD and all of them are screwed up. Yet, I installed Ubuntu Hoary and it is working fine. The Breezy's "freeze" up and I can't do anything except use the off button on the box to reboot ?? any i\deas?
[06:05] <arnole> what's the best way to search for packages from the cmd line?
[06:05] <s|k> k
[06:05] <dabaR> I always run out of space on my / partition, what would you suggest?
[06:05] <Healot> apt-search cache "anything you like to search"
[06:05] <dabaR> ubuntu: you need to fixres
[06:05] <Coag> anyone have any links for the WMP54G under dapper
[06:05] <dabaR> ubotu: tell ubuntu about fixres
[06:05] <asdfmn>    ->   Whats the package name for SDL? I've installed libsdl1.2-dev and libsdl1.2debian-all and crap.
[06:05] <Coag> because dapper thinks it knows how to handle it, then it doesn't work
[06:05] <ubuntu> format :)
[06:05] <ubuntu> is that a command?
[06:06] <Healot> those are theSDL lib
[06:06] <dabaR> right
[06:06] <Coag> ubotu: tell Coag about WMP54G
[06:06] <asdfmn> Well, whats the exact package name?
[06:06] <Healot> those packages are ?
[06:06] <arnole> what's the best way to search for packages from the cmd line?
[06:07] <ubuntu> apt-get
[06:07] <wastrel> arnole:  apt-cache search  and grep
[06:07] <asdfmn> sudo apt-cache search
[06:07] <dabaR> arnole: sudo aptitude search
[06:07] <wastrel> asdfmn:  sudo not necessary
[06:07] <Healot> well the *dev is the development library... to compile SDL program and stuff
[06:07] <ubuntu> man apt-get 4 more info
[06:07] <arnole> thanks
[06:07] <dabaR> no, just aptitude search
[06:07] <asdfmn> my bad
[06:07] <salah> I  have downloaded 3dchess .but How can I find it out?
[06:08] <sudharsh> salah: 3dchess in the terminal
[06:08] <dabaR> salah: run sudo dpkg -L 3dchess
[06:09] <salah> it's not running
[06:09] <asdfmn> K
[06:10] <KentJonathan> !gdesklet
[06:10] <ubotu> KentJonathan: Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:10] <Madpilot> salah, "3dchess" doesn't work
[06:10] <Madpilot> ?
[06:11] <asdfmn> http://pastebin.com/584556 -> What must I do to get SDL??
[06:12] <s|k> crimson I got a warning that volume control quit unexpectedly
[06:12] <dabaR> does one need to run configure using sudo?
[06:12] <wastrel> no
[06:12] <s|k> and then some notices that sound hw was detected
[06:12] <s|k> should I reload crimson?
[06:12] <Healot> asdfmn, you need the libsdl*-dev >> version must be higher than 1.2
[06:12] <wastrel> well unless you don't have write perms on the directory
[06:12] <dabaR> asdfmn: don't use sudo there.
[06:12] <Healot> or install the znes that available in ubuntu repos...
[06:13] <asdfmn> dabaR I have to
[06:13] <s|k> Healot, should I reload? I got a warning saying volume control quit unexpected
[06:13] <dabaR> asdfmn: why install an older version of zsnes than the one in the repos?
[06:13] <s|k> I'm going to reload
[06:13] <Healot> reboot, yes.. i think
[06:14] <Coag> anyone know anything about the WMP54G and Dapper?
[06:14] <asdfmn> Healot: I have libsdl1.2-dev
[06:14] <Healot> try to invoke '/usr/bin/sdl-config'
[06:14] <Healot> is it there?
[06:14] <asdfmn> works
[06:14] <asdfmn> Yes
[06:14] <Coag> It's really quite wierd
[06:14] <asdfmn> If I skip that using the config, I get an SDL error while using make
[06:14] <asdfmn> chips/../gblhdr.h:95:18: error: SDL.h: No such file or directory
[06:14] <Healot> then you should be able to compile you zsnes... anyway, I recommend the zsnes in ubuntu repos
[06:15] <asdfmn> Well, I'm not able to, and that's my problem!
[06:15] <Coag> after my dapper install, I had no network device, which was fine I got it working through ndiswrapper like I usually have to, the I apt-get upgraded, rebooted, and ubuntu thinks it knows y device now
[06:15] <Coag> but I run ifconfig eth0 up and I get an error
[06:15] <[nige] > anyone know how to install php5 on breezy?
[06:15] <Healot> !tell asdfmn about apt-get
[06:15] <Coag> SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory
[06:15] <dabaR> [nige] : it seems to be one of the packages.
[06:15] <KentJonathan> Can not find the X libraries.
[06:15] <KentJonathan>  where i can download the libraries?
[06:16] <asdfmn> I don't want the one in the repo or else I'd get it.
[06:16] <[nige] > i have tried that
[06:16] <Healot> KentJonathan, install xserver-common first?
[06:16] <dabaR> Who knows how to set up rails on breezy?
[06:16] <Healot> and install all the x*-dev packages
[06:16] <whitynz> apt-get install rails
[06:16] <KentJonathan> ok where i can download?
[06:16] <whitynz> :p
[06:17] <KentJonathan> apt-get install rails this is?
[06:17] <odat> dabaR, apparently grub no lilo are able to figure out how to use two ata drives
[06:17] <dabaR> whitynz: I have installed. How would I test?
[06:17] <whitynz> rails <dir>
[06:17] <[nige] > The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[06:17] <[nige] >   libapache2-mod-php5.0: Depends: apache2-common (>= 2.0.54-5ubuntu2) but 2.0.53-5ubuntu5.5 is to be installed
[06:17] <Healot> zsnes is in the "multiverse" section, on the "otherfs" packages... asdfmn
[06:17] <KentJonathan> ?
[06:17] <s|k> crimsun, I did everything, rebooted and I still don't have sound
[06:17] <whitynz> theres a good how-to video for rails
[06:17] <dabaR> whitynz: where does the dir have to be? any specific path?
[06:17] <whitynz> KentJonathan, using console
[06:18] <[nige] > I get the message when i try and install  libapache2-mod-php5.0
[06:18] <KentJonathan> apt-get install rails <- this correct to install :S
[06:18] <whitynz> dabaR, anywhere, I used home
[06:18] <asdfmn> Healot: Like I said, if I wanted the one in the repository I'd get it.
[06:18] <crimsun> s|k: cat /proc/asound/version
[06:18] <olahi> how can i only allow specific user that can do su - ?
[06:18] <whitynz> and just rails <blah>
[06:18] <s|k> k
[06:18] <KentJonathan> Can not find the X libraries. where i can download the libraries?
[06:18] <Healot> I just dunno why ppl do it the hard way :)
[06:18] <s|k> crimsun: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.10.
[06:18] <s|k> Compiled on Mar  4 2006 for kernel 2.6.12-10-386.
[06:18] <asdfmn> because 1.42 is a yucky version
[06:18] <dabaR> whitynz: and then? Does it get accessed through the web browser?
[06:19] <[nige] > any ideas
[06:19] <KentJonathan> please
[06:19] <crimsun> s|k: erm, you should have 1.0.11rc2 if you followed the directions I gave you
[06:19] <b3nw> does anyone know what needs to be installed for totem to play .h264 encoded stuff?
[06:19] <whitynz> dabaR, umm I think it's start ./config/server
[06:19] <s|k> I did
[06:19] <whitynz> get the video
[06:19] <whitynz> I haven't done it for a while
[06:19] <dabaR> [nige] : put the output of "cat /etc/issue;cat /etc/apt/sources.list" to paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[06:19] <s|k> I just copied and pasted the instructions from ubotu
[06:20] <s|k> into the termanal crimsun
[06:20] <s|k> terminal*
[06:20] <shiv> when should I use apt-get update and apt-upgrade?
[06:20] <dabaR> whitynz: "start ./config/server"
[06:20] <KentJonathan> ?
[06:20] <whitynz> hold on dabaR
[06:20] <whitynz> dabaR: http://media.rubyonrails.org/video/rails_take2_with_sound.mov
[06:20] <whitynz> get that
[06:21] <whitynz> it tells you how to use everything
[06:21] <KentJonathan> ONe people can help me?
[06:21] <[nige] > http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9739
[06:22] <dabaR> whitynz: http://dabar.selfip.org/rails/public/index.html I don't buy it.
[06:22] <dabaR> whitynz: thanks muchly.
[06:22] <[nige] > dabaR, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9739 is the output
[06:23] <olahi> any help for me that only specific user can do root or su?
[06:23] <olahi> anyone?
[06:23] <KentJonathan> ?
[06:23] <dabaR> of course only specific user can do sudo
[06:23] <dabaR> olahi: read this
[06:23] <dabaR> !root
[06:23] <ubotu> By default, the root password is locked in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[06:23] <Healot> as listed in /etc/sudoers
[06:24] <asdfmn> It looks like the 1.36 ZSnes sdl crap is br0k3n :(
[06:24] <asdfmn> 1.42 configures/makes fine
[06:24] <crimsun> s|k: use this one instead: http://archive.progeny.com/debian/pool/main/a/alsa-driver/alsa-source_1.0.10+1.0.11rc3-1_all.deb
[06:24] <dabaR> [nige] : well, let me tell you why it is bad to use ubuntuguide... You used that right?
[06:24] <s|k> oh okay
[06:24] <[nige] > yep
[06:24] <[nige] > i believe soo
[06:24] <s|k> crimsun, what was the command for ubotu to get those instcurtions again?
[06:24] <s|k> instructions*
[06:24] <dabaR> [nige] : well, you screwed up a bit. However, luckily, I think it should be an easy fix.
[06:24] <[nige] > actuallly it was from: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=44082&page=2&highlight=php5
[06:24] <crimsun> s|k: /msg ubotu alsa-source
[06:24] <[nige] > okay