[05:09] <chcknrub> checkout my created/pasted picture: https://pasteboard.co/Iu7W8Sp.jpg
[10:28] <jubo2> I gonna have a setup of 2 machines: The main laptop with 960GB space and the home machine with 2TB space. Any suggestion on the cleanest / safest way my laptop to the home computer's 2TB disk over network?
[10:28] <jubo2> * to back up my laptop to the home machine
[10:39] <mparillo> I would say the simplest way is to create a python web server: https://www.afternerd.com/blog/python-http-server/
[10:39] <mparillo> The best way is probably some kind of rsync over ssh
[10:40] <mparillo> I have done the former, but not the latter.
[10:54] <jubo2> mparillo: yeah... I've been thinking using rsync (or a rsync based tool like Timeshift) over SSHFS (https://github.com/teejee2008/timeshift)
[10:57] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:35] <Dragnslcr> jubo2- I've used rdiff-backup in the past. Now I just use zfs and snapshots, though that's a bit more complicated to set up.
[12:14] <romenskiy2012> May I ask a question ?
[12:14] <crydotsnake-M> Of course!!
[12:16] <romenskiy2012> I do not know Linux very well, and I'm sorry that I will ask you this question, but I truthfully looked for information.
[12:16] <romenskiy2012> Everywhere it is written that you can integrate the browser with plasma through extensions.
[12:16] <romenskiy2012> This is true ?
[12:17] <crydotsnake-M> What is your Browser?
[12:18] <romenskiy2012> mozilla firefox
[12:18] <romenskiy2012> It just worked for arch Linux.
[12:19] <crydotsnake-M> Is it that what you mean?: https://addons.mozilla.org/en/firefox/addon/plasma-integration/
[12:20] <romenskiy2012> YesOn kubuntu, the error gives
[12:21] <crydotsnake-M> What is the error message that you get?
[12:23] <romenskiy2012> ошибка интеграции браузера с plasma
[12:23] <romenskiy2012> Не удалось подключиться к главному процессу. Возможно, не установлен пакет
[12:24] <crydotsnake-M> ?
[12:24] <romenskiy2012> error integrating browser with plasma
[12:24] <romenskiy2012> Failed to connect to the main process. Package may not be installed.
[12:24] <crydotsnake-M> Which Kubuntu Version?
[12:25] <romenskiy2012> Stable 18.4
[12:27] <romenskiy2012> I don’t understand which package I need to deliver
[12:27] <RikMills> the browser integration didn't exist when 18.04 was be prepared
[12:28] <RikMills> you can find the package in this 'updates' ppa for 18.04 https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[12:28] <romenskiy2012> Can I somehow add it manually?
[12:29] <RikMills> the package you need from that ppa is plasma-browser-integration
[12:36] <romenskiy2012> I am very grateful to you for your help, but a little more precisely, I’ll get lost there.
[12:46] <romenskiy2012> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa
[12:46] <romenskiy2012> sudo apt-get update
[12:46] <romenskiy2012> sudo apt-get install plasma-browser-integration
[12:46] <romenskiy2012> E: Unable to find plasma-browser-integration package
[12:49] <RikMills> opps. I meant ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[12:58] <romenskiy2012> YES! Everything works, very grateful.
[12:58] <romenskiy2012> And as I understand it, now I need to turn it off, huh?
[13:01] <romenskiy2012> ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa Delete?
[13:13] <BluesKaj> !ppa-purge
[13:13] <BluesKaj> romenskiy2012,^
 hey blueskaj
[13:53] <BluesKaj> hey Swift110
[14:56] <IrcsomeBot1> yvonne coffey was added by: yvonne coffey
[16:22] <franco> hola
[16:22] <franco> alguien me ensena a anadir los servidores de Undernet a Konversation?
[16:23] <franco> porque necesito unirme a un canal que esta alli
[18:05] <mparillo> !es
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[19:39] <fructose> Is there something you have to do to activate Application Launchers in Global Shortcuts? They aren't working as is.
 hey fructose
[20:17] <fructose> Hi
 sup erich long time no see
 how are you fructose
[20:19] <fructose> Struggling with shortcuts, but otherwise well
[20:21] <swift110> oh I see fructose that can be a pain
[20:36] <bprompt> fructose:   struggling with shortcuts?  just install autokey =P
[20:37] <swift110> lol
[22:37] <ceibal> hola


[17:11] <G> morning
[20:01] <ibeardslee> urgle
[20:12] <ajmitch> morning
[20:20] <snail> morning
[20:58] <thumper> morning
[21:04] <hads> morning
[21:16] <mwhudson> morning


[15:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-qt- Unapproved: qtdeclarative-opensource-src (groovy-proposed/universe) [5.14.2+dfsg-3 => 5.14.2+dfsg-3ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist, kubuntu, qt5)
 @RikMills [@mitya57 is the qtedeclarative ppc64el build in proposed going to be fixed?], https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtdeclarative-opensource-src/5.14.2+dfsg-3ubuntu1 built everywhere now
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[10:45] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[16:42] <ChinnoDog> morning
[17:48] <erstazi> ChinnoDog: morning


[15:59] <slyon> niub: you should be able to use "mode: ap" to create APs, see: https://netplan.io/reference/#properties-for-device-type-wifis%3A
[16:49] <hola1> I'd like to setup a VPN connection with vpnc using the NetworkManager renderer. Can I configure that with netplan?
[16:54] <slyon> hola1: netplan supports multiple tunnel protocols (https://netplan.io/reference/#properties-for-device-type-tunnels%3A) but as far as I can tell IPsec/vpnc is none of them. There is Wireguard, if that might be an alternative? Otherwise you could setup the network iself and then use the "vpnc" client itself to setup the VP
[16:54] <slyon> VPN*
[16:56] <hola1> slyon: for now I just want to check if that's working. If I'm serious about a vpn, I've got no problem of setting up a wireguard/openvpn server my self... just don't want to put in the effort for a simple thest
[17:00] <hola1> doesn't seem to be supported by netplan. thanks anyways
[17:26] <niub> slyon: I would like to use hostapd instead of netplan
[17:26] <niub> just wanted to use netplan to configure the interfaces


[03:33] <pitti> Good morning
[04:32] <Mirv> pitti: morning. some reviews needed. ubuntu-system-settings starts depending on content hub (both in universe) http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6053813/ , unity-greeter-session-broadcast stops building its libraries for now and dbus changes http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6053814/ (http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/unity-greeter-session-broadcast/trunk.13.10/revision/22)
[05:04] <pitti> hey Mirv
[05:04] <pitti> looking
[05:05] <Mirv> hey pitti
[05:05] <pitti> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6053813/ -> was there a MIR filed?
[05:06] <pitti> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6053814/ ack
[05:07] <Mirv> pitti: I don't see one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings - that's seb128's package for a large part, I should ask him when he's around now that FF is behind us
[05:07] <pitti> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/content-hub/+bugs rather, but no bugs there
[05:08] <Mirv> yes, neither for content-hub
[05:08] <Mirv> maybe this week will be the week of MIRs
[05:09] <Mirv> the setting stack can wait untils seb128 is here in a couple of hours
[08:00] <Laney> morning all
[08:03] <darkxst> pitti, Laney Hi
[08:06] <Laney> hey darkxst
[08:08] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you? had a good w.e?
[08:08] <Laney> hi seb128, yeah it was good thanks, not much sleep but still nice ;-)
[08:08] <Laney> have some bruises from paintballing too
[08:08] <Laney> how was yours?
[08:08] <seb128> oh, you did paintball, nice!
[08:08] <Laney> yeah!
[08:08] <seb128> mine was relaxing, no bruises :p
[08:09] <Mirv> morning seb128
[08:09] <Laney> I lent someone my jumper as he was going to be fired on more by everyone else and then the rules changed and I ended up being pummeled wearing just a t-shirt :P
[08:09] <seb128> Mirv, hey
[08:09] <seb128> Laney, utch
[08:10] <Mirv> seb128: settings stack would need acking of the dependency add on content-hub. Martin was interested generally on the MIR plans of content-hub etc
[08:10] <seb128> Mirv, +1, I approved that MR
[08:10] <seb128> what "plan"?
[08:11] <Mirv> ok
[08:11] <Mirv> seb128: well, I guess if everything on the touch images is planned to be MIRd
[08:11] <Mirv> I know there is a lot queued already
[08:11] <seb128> I've no clue when we want to MIR stuff
[08:12] <seb128> does it matter?
[08:13] <Mirv> he did mention earlier that it's unfortunate that phablet images contain software that isn't officially supported
[08:14] <ogra_> seb128, we should MIR everything before release
[08:14] <Mirv> so I think that's the main question, although much larger topic than just settings/hubs
[08:14] <pitti> hey darkxst
[08:14] <pitti> good morning Laney
[08:14] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[08:14] <Laney> ola pitti
[08:14] <seb128> ogra_, pitti: hey
[08:15] <seb128> ogra_, "release", being saucy release?
[08:15] <ogra_> moin
[08:15] <Laney> args
[08:15] <ogra_> seb128, yeah ... we should at least try
[08:15]  * pitti waves to ogra_, too
[08:15] <Laney> my original gpg key expiry date has passed
[08:15] <seb128> ogra_, good luck :p
[08:15] <Laney> now every chroot is complaining
[08:15] <ogra_> that should be a september target
[08:15] <darkxst> pitti, any ideas about bug 1219588? I am getting mouse flat notifications every 10 mins ;(
[08:15] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1219588 in upower (Ubuntu) "wireless mouse battery percentadge incorrect" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1219588
[08:16] <seb128> ogra_, the issue is that MIR team is not going to scale for those reviews, it's basically down to mterry and he's overbusy on greeter work and other stuff
[08:16] <seb128> ogra_, not to mention security reviews
[08:16] <ogra_> seb128, yeah, i know, thats why i said "try" :)
[08:16] <pitti> darkxst: probably the same bug as bug 1103064
[08:16] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1103064 in upower (Ubuntu) "power indicator shows Logitech wireless keyboard and mouse batteries with 0%" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1103064
[08:16] <ogra_> we sholdnt release official images without having all bits on the image supported imho
[08:17] <seb128> pitti, Mirv: in any case, content-hub is the content picker for the phablet, it's being done by kenvandine and gusch, I doubt we can do without a content picker, that's the only way to e.g select files to add to email, messages, gallery, etc
[08:17] <pitti> darkxst: as it happens I reviewed a proposed upstream branch for fixing Logitech wireless devices; I'll build a PPA package from this soon
[08:17] <ogra_> but if we cant make it, we simply cant
[08:17] <Mirv> in general news, all of cu2d green except for Apps and Unity that have known test related bugs reported and contacted upon
[08:17] <pitti> seb128: sure; I'm fine with the diff, I was just pointing out that it needs a MIR
[08:17] <seb128> pitti, it doesn't, system-settings is in universe
[08:17] <pitti> eh?
[08:18] <pitti> seb128: we build phone images from universe?
[08:18] <pitti> seb128: but then, sure
[08:18] <Laney> what's what ogra_ was just talking about
[08:18] <ogra_> pitti, even fromn PPAs still
[08:18] <seb128> pitti, of course, 90% of the new components didn't get through MIR yet
[08:18] <Laney> s/what/that/
[08:18] <pitti> ah
[08:19] <Mirv> ogra_: we still haven't disabled all PPAs?
[08:19] <pitti> Mirv: so, then ignore the MIR bit for now :)
[08:19] <ogra_> pitti, PPA usage was a task planned to be fixed by august first ...
[08:19] <ogra_> obviously ddint make it
[08:19] <seb128> pitti, well "of course"... things are crazy, we keep landing new stuff, the goal so far is to drop the ppa use, we didn't think yet about getting stuff in main
[08:19] <ogra_> Mirv, the demo-assets packages are still in the PPA ...
[08:19] <ogra_> and the webapps-demo packages too
[08:19] <pitti> seb128: as far as I read, we plan to upgrade 13.10 phone installs to some 14.04 daily snapshots after some time anyway, right? so doesn't matter that much I guess
[08:20] <ogra_> and all core apps come from the core apps PPA
[08:20] <Mirv> ogra_: and I guess phone-app being replaced really-soon-now
[08:20] <darkxst> pitti, ok thanks
[08:20] <ogra_> (they are supposed to be click packages soon though, that will solve itself)
[08:20] <ogra_> Mirv, phone-app is gone since last week
[08:20] <seb128> pitti, I don't know the specific, ogra_ just said that we should try to go through MIR with everything before saucy release, not sure how realistic that is
[08:20] <ogra_> seb128, that we try ?
[08:21] <ogra_> i hope thats very relaistic :)
[08:21] <Mirv> ogra_: \o/
[08:21] <seb128> ogra_, no, that we manage to get MIR team and security team to review all that
[08:21] <seb128> ogra_, or we need more people to do reviews
[08:22] <ogra_> seb128, yeah, i'm not that unrealistic to say we'll make it :)
[08:22] <ogra_> buut the paperwork should at least be done for all packages by release
[08:23] <seb128> right
[08:23] <Laney> we should finish the archive reorg instead :-)
[08:24] <ogra_> Laney, feel free, nobody holds you back :)
[08:24] <Laney> hrhr
[08:24] <pitti> Laney: well, however we reorg the archive, we still need some kind of Component Inclusion Report/Review for stuff that we support
[08:24] <ogra_> ++
[08:25] <Laney> there's something but it won't be as heavy as MIRs iirc
[08:25] <pitti> how could it be any less heavy?
[08:28] <Laney> Hmm, can't remember the details
[08:28] <Laney> But I think there was some classes of things that weren't going to need a full review
[08:46] <Laney> seb128: Help
[08:46] <Laney> I don't understand what you mean by this: "* The design says "Switching to “4-digit passcode” should display a “Choose Passcode” alert with “New passcode” and two fields, “Cancel” and “Set” buttons. "
[08:46] <Laney> The current version has only 1 entry (I guess it's a type/type again to make sure there is no typo)"
[08:46] <Laney> OH
[08:46] <Laney> I do now
[08:47] <Laney> what does type/type mean though?
[08:47] <seb128> sorry I meant "password confirmation dialog"
[08:47] <seb128> e.g:
[08:47] <seb128> type your passorwrd
[08:47] <seb128> type your password again
[08:47] <Laney> ah yes
[08:47] <seb128> type/type again
[08:47] <seb128> ;-)
[08:47] <Laney> I didn't parse the text correctly
[08:47] <Laney> either mpt's spec or your comment
[08:47] <Laney> :P
[08:47] <seb128> yeah, it was not written nicely
[08:48] <seb128> well, I'm unsure
[08:48] <seb128> mpt's spec has a "2 entries..." somewhere
[08:48] <Laney> yeah
[08:48] <Laney> "two fields"
[08:48] <seb128> it's worth checking with him
[08:49] <Laney> doing in #-touch
[09:23] <seb128> pitti, did the "need to import translation templates from daily build ppa" ever go anywhere?
[09:24] <pitti> seb128: hm, no response from launchpad in bug 1201485
[09:24] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1201485 in langpack-o-matic "Need to import translations for the unity daily builds" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1201485
[09:25]  * pitti pings Steve and Willian in #u-devel
[09:25] <seb128> thanks
[10:23] <mpt> Laney, seb128: I shall change that to a sheet with three fields ... Three successive dialogs is an interrogation.
[10:25] <Laney> mpt: I thought it was two, but maybe the same applies
[10:26] <mpt> Laney, yeah, true, the first dialog containing one field and the second containing two fields
[10:26] <Laney> indeed
[10:26] <Laney> mpt: Can you include what to do when the inputted value is wrong?
[10:32] <seb128> mpt, the "about this phone: storage" on the google doc, in the things to update you should add "list extra categories" (e.g movies, audio, pictures, other files)
[10:34] <mpt> Laney, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityAndPrivacySettings?action=diff&rev2=28&rev1=27
[10:35] <mpt> seb128, why?
[10:35] <mpt> oh, right, the erratum
[10:35] <Laney> cheers
[10:36] <mpt> done
[10:38] <seb128> mpt, thanks
[10:40] <seb128> mpt, do I read correctly from the notes that "GPS" should be dropped from the main screen?
[10:45] <mlankhorst> seb128: does the kernel need any special support to run desktop sessions in saucy? my nexus7 doesn't work correctly
[10:45] <seb128> mlankhorst, try asking ogra_, I think he said we would need a special kernel for the n7
[10:45] <seb128> we don't support desktop on it, just touch
[10:46] <mlankhorst> yeah I know, but still..
[10:48] <mlankhorst> seb128: can I force a fallback to the old desktop session?
[10:49] <mpt> seb128, yes
[10:50] <ogra_> mlankhorst, iirc the tegra has an issue if you want to run X without having fbcon in the kernel
[10:51] <ogra_> touch doesnt use fbacon
[10:51] <ogra_> err
[10:51] <ogra_> fbcon
[10:51] <mlankhorst> ogra_: well the xserver initializes, but nothing gets started
[10:51] <ogra_> right
[10:52] <ogra_> touch also hands over device handling to the container
[10:52] <ogra_> s/handling/initialization/
[10:52] <ogra_> once we have Mir, XMir should work though
[10:54] <ogra_> mlankhorst, i think your best move would be to install raring desktop and dist-upgrade
[10:54] <ogra_> touch is surely not suited well for testing X
[10:55] <mlankhorst> ogra_: yeah it's the path I took, but I was hitting a bug with xorg init
[10:55] <mlankhorst> and from some digging looks like saucy changed to using systemd init
[10:56] <ogra_> lol
[10:56] <ogra_> surely not :)
[10:56] <ogra_> but you most likely hit a bug with plymouth
[10:56] <ogra_> make sure to disable all the upstart jobs for it ... or force that console-setup runs from the initrd
[10:57] <ogra_> either will make it boot
[11:28] <mlankhorst> ogra_: only error I'm getting in .xsession-errors is init: Unable to register as subreaper: Invalid argument
[11:28] <ogra_> oh, thats a kernel issue then
[11:29] <mlankhorst> thought so
[11:29] <ogra_> bug 1218415
[11:29] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1218415 in linux-maguro (Ubuntu) "upstart needs subreaper prctl support for touch kernels < v3.4" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1218415
[11:39] <mlankhorst> oops, still on the old nexus7 kernel, which I guess was the desktop kernel
[11:40] <ogra_> as i said, the new -grouper kernel wont have fbcon
[11:41] <mlankhorst> yeah, it's sad that they can't have the nexus7 as supported for desktop
[12:26] <lool> Hey, gvfs-backends is broken after the libimobiledevice rebuild; it needs porting to the new libimobiledevice API; this was done upstream in gvfs 1.17.3; upstream even has a 1.17.90
[12:27] <lool> I only saw bug fixes / cleanups, no new features in these
[12:27] <lool> is someone working on this update?  would be good to get for beta1
[12:28] <seb128> lool, hey, thanks for working on that ... not sure about the update, pitti is the one who usually does the gvfs update
[12:28] <seb128> pitti, ^ did you start on those?
[12:28] <lool> I saw there are some commits of his upstream  :-)
[12:28] <pitti> je peux le faire
[12:29] <seb128> pitti, ça serait bien, merci!
[12:29] <lool> pitti: ce serait super pour https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2013-September/002528.html
[12:29] <lool> pitti: merci  :-)
[12:30] <lool> pitti: grep-ing the build log, there seemed to be other potential bugs of the type "incompatible pointer type" in the log; outside of libimobiledevice, these are probably not new, but if you are tempted to have a look...  :-)
[12:30] <lool> pitti: I suspect https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/1214204 is fixed with new version
[12:30] <ubot2`> lool: Error: launchpad bug 1214204 not found
[12:30] <lool> ubot2`: it's because it's private
[12:30] <ubot2`> lool: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[12:31] <lool> ubot2`: not pretending you are
[12:31] <ubot2`> lool: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[12:31] <lool> see
[12:31] <pitti> someone please teach ubot2` some eliza!
[12:31] <pitti> ubot2`: how do you feel today?
[12:31] <ubot2`> pitti: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[12:31] <pitti> booring
[13:00] <seb128> sil2100, don't add the pot to the upstream lens, that was just needed once to "bootstrap" launchpad (it needs a pot to import)
[13:02] <sil2100> seb128: ah, ok, then I'll just add the changelog entry, ok?
[13:02] <seb128> sil2100, yes
[13:03] <sil2100> Mirv, seb128: I think both AP machines are down ;/ Looking on what's up
[13:08] <sil2100> jibel: ping
[13:08] <sil2100> jibel: could you take a look on what's wrong with jenkins and the AP machines?
[13:08] <sil2100> jibel: it looks as if they're not visible on jenkins
[13:09] <sil2100> jibel: rebooting the machines didn't help
[13:09] <jibel> sil2100, looking
[13:10] <sil2100> jibel: thanks!
[13:14] <sil2100> jibel: I don't see the jenkins slaves being ran on the test machines?
[13:16] <jibel> sil2100, right because "Error: Invalid or corrupt jarfile /var/run/jenkins/slave.jar"
[13:17] <jibel> sil2100, it should be good now
[13:18] <sil2100> jibel: \o/ thanks!
[13:18] <jibel> yw
[13:21] <sil2100> seb128: I already pushed the modified version, can you +1 that branch so we can merge it?
[13:22] <seb128> sil2100, done
[13:25] <sil2100> THanks!
[13:27] <sil2100> jibel: btw. do you know a thing or two about the mediumtest jobs, or is that more of a Francis-thing? ;)
[13:28] <jibel> sil2100, I know nothing about these jobs :)
[13:58] <pitti> lool, seb128: uploading gvfs 1.17.90 (will be blocked by freeze, though)
[13:59] <seb128> pitti, danke
[14:22] <seb128> Laney, around?
[14:23] <Laney> seb128: yes
[14:24] <seb128> Laney, you looked a bit to the AS custom property stuff last week
[14:24] <seb128> gdbus call --system --dest org.freedesktop.Accounts --object-path /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User32011 --method org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties.Set com.canonical.unity.AccountsService launcher-items "<[{'defaults' : <true>}]>""
[14:24] <seb128> Laney, I want to transform that to qt code
[14:25] <seb128> Laney, do you know how to format the "<[{'defaults' : <true>}]>"
[14:25] <seb128> should that be a QVariant?
[14:26] <seb128>     userInterface.call("Set",
[14:26] <seb128>                        "com.canonical.unity.AccountsService",
[14:26] <seb128>                        "launcher-items",
[14:26] <seb128>                        "<[{'defaults' : <true>}]>");
[14:27] <seb128> e.g I guess the last argument there is in buggy format
[14:27] <Laney> hmm
[14:27] <Laney> Almost certainly not that
[14:27] <seb128> right
[14:27] <Laney> sec
[14:27] <seb128> well, I copied the gdbus line and started replacing bits
[14:27] <seb128> I'm just not sure what to do with the "defaults: true"
[14:30] <seb128> Laney, looking to https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/launcher-items/+merge/181061 is helping I think
[14:30] <seb128> QList<QVariantMap> items;
[14:30] <seb128> QVariant::fromValue(items))
[14:31] <Laney> http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.1/qtdbus/qdbustypesystem.html
[14:32] <seb128> items << QVariantMap().insert("defaults", true)
[14:32] <seb128> Laney, ^ does that seems about right do you?
[14:37] <Laney> seb128: sec, otp
[14:38] <seb128> Laney, no hurry, I did that: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6055372/
[14:38] <seb128> seems to build fine, I can't really test it though, since the unity side didn't land yet
[14:42] <Laney> seb128: well, I think it'd be at runtime that you see any problems
[14:42] <Laney> you could try adding a property with a matching type to security-privacy and see if that works
[14:44] <seb128> Laney, ok, I can test on my desktop in fact
[14:44] <seb128> Laney, the unity8 work from mterry landed
[14:44] <seb128> Laney, thanks ;-)
[14:44] <Laney> I don't understand what type that is though
[14:44] <Laney> is a{sv} or something else?
[14:45] <seb128> Laney, + <property name="launcher-items" type="aa{sv}" access="readwrite">
[14:45] <Laney> ah
[14:45] <Laney> hence the extra QList, I did wonder
[14:45] <Laney> yeah if you install the files from unity8 you should be able to test that
[14:45] <seb128> I've it in d-feet
[14:45] <seb128> so on the right way
[15:06] <lool> pitti: should we request a hint to pass it though?
[15:06] <lool> pitti: Seems there are some crashes for ios users that might be worth fixing for beta1?
[15:36] <seb128> lool, you can try asking on -release about it
[15:39] <lool> seb128: I thought pitti might have a reason not to ask for it
[15:39] <lool> I've asked for libgpod to be hinted earlier today
[15:39] <lool> seb128: if you think gvfs is low risk, I can ask for it
[15:39] <lool> I've looked at the git log, and it seemed fine
[15:40] <seb128> Laney, ^
[15:40] <seb128> opinion?
[15:41] <Laney> no opinion
[15:41] <Laney> can you get someone else to look at it?
[15:41] <Laney> Trying to unconfuse myself about s-s atm
[15:42] <lool> I can try to confirm whether I get the same bug as the reporter and whether it's fixed, at least we know it's good enough on this backend which is one of the only ones updated
[15:42] <lool> trying that now
[15:43] <seb128> sil2100, when is the next tick?
[15:57] <lool> seb128, Laney, pitti: After testing, I can confirm that I got some error popups on login with an ipad plugged (bus timeout blahblah) and when clicking on the automatically added mount points in nautilus; when upgrading to pitti's packages, I got nice dialogs on login offering to import pictures, and nautilus allowed to browse the device
[15:58] <Laney> lool: Maybe you could ask Colin (or Stéphane if he's still around) in #ubuntu-release to consider it
[15:58] <Laney> lool: Otherwise I'll look in a bit when I get done with this branch
[15:59] <Laney> thanks for your testing/work
[16:01] <pitti> lool: no particular reason not to ask for it, just that it might unduly set back the image testing
[16:01] <Laney> We're not on full on image testing yet
[16:02] <pitti> lool: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Saucy/view/AutoPkgTest/job/saucy-adt-gvfs/121/ is happy anyway
[16:02] <pitti> and I tested it locally, of course
[16:02] <pitti> we have fairly good test coverage these days (just not the ipod stuff, but lool just tested that manually)
[16:02] <lool> pitti: please say so on -release  :-)
[16:02] <lool> that you've tested it and that we've good coverage
[16:03] <lool> pitti: on #ubuntu-release that is
[16:03] <sil2100> seb128: 20:00
[16:03] <sil2100> seb128: we missed the tick due to machine problems
[16:03] <sil2100> seb128: I wasn't sure if it made sense to re-run everything or maybe wait for the next tick probably
[16:04] <pitti> lool: done
[16:04] <lool> thanks
[16:04] <seb128> sil2100, ok, do you think you could retry the sdk stack while you are still around?
[16:05] <seb128> sil2100, I would like to see it published today, the new optionselector landed and I need it
[16:05] <Laney> \o/!
[16:06] <sil2100> seb128: hm, ok
[16:07] <sil2100> seb128: running!
[16:07] <seb128> sil2100, thanks ;-)
[16:59] <sil2100> jibel: are you around? :)
[17:00] <seb128> sil2100, please tell me that the machines are not screwed again ;-)
[17:00] <sil2100> seb128: eeeeh ;)
[17:01] <sil2100> seb128: they *look* hanged up, wanted jibel to check what's up
[17:01] <seb128> :-(
[17:02] <sil2100> ;/
[17:03] <sil2100> seb128: ok, screw that, we don't have too much time so I'll restart the machines and re-run SDK
[17:03] <seb128> sil2100, thanks
[17:10] <jibel> sil2100, I'm around, I'll have a look
[17:13] <sil2100> jibel: thanks! ;) Restarted them already though... the jobs were standing and doing nothing, the containers were accessible and seemed ok
[17:14] <jibel> sil2100, okay
[17:14] <jibel> sil2100, when you say "them" should I understand that not only intel was stuck?
[17:15] <sil2100> jibel: yes, the strange thing was that both intel and nvidia were stuck, so maybe the SDK stack has something broken?
[17:15] <jibel> sil2100, it could be, because previous freezes we had only affect intel
[17:28] <seb128> sil2100, jibel: I doubt it's a sdk bug, the log looked like dbus timeouts (again)
[17:29] <sil2100> seb128: *sighs*
[17:30] <sil2100> seb128: today is an unlucky day, I would gladly publish unity, but I'm not sure if the tests were indeed sane
[17:30] <sil2100> seb128: since only one machine finished
[17:31] <seb128> sil2100, let's be safe and publish tomorrow rather
[17:32] <seb128> sil2100, most things are blocked by the freeze anyway
[17:32] <sil2100> Indeed
[17:37] <sil2100> seb128: ok, we're officially screwed
[17:37] <sil2100> seb128: the AP machines are gone AGAIN
[17:37] <sil2100> jibel: ^
[17:38] <sil2100> jibel: help us, today everything is more unreliable than before it seems!
[17:39] <Laney> ze sky, eet eez falleeng
[17:39] <sil2100> Laney: I hope not!
[17:45] <seb128> sil2100, :-(
[17:46] <sil2100> seb128, jibel: aborting those builds, since it's impossible for it to finish now, so at least the next tick will run ;/
[17:47] <seb128> sil2100, ok
[17:47]  * seb128 shakes fist at the qa lab
[17:48] <sil2100> What the heck is happening
[17:53] <sil2100> seb128: I *probably* restarted the testing slaves
[17:53] <sil2100> So I hope the 20:00 tick will kick in and finish
[18:09] <jibel> seb128, sil2100 I'll monitor 1800UTC tick after dinner
[18:10] <sil2100> jibel: thanks :) Strange thing since the slaves don't seem to start up after a soft-reboot


[00:29] <wallyworld_> just saw that steve jobs has died
[00:29]  * StevenK adds 1 to his internal number of channels that have mentioned it.
[01:37] <wallyworld_> lifeless: did skype drop out or is it just me?
[01:38] <StevenK> wgrant: Can haz another look at my MP?
[01:46] <wallyworld_> thumper: ping!
[01:46] <lifeless> wgrant: sinzui: did skype hiccup ?
[01:49] <wgrant> Oh :(
[01:49] <wgrant> So yeah, I think we know what we're doing.
[01:49] <wgrant> Almost.
[01:50] <wgrant> Multipillar bugs with disclosure views are still a bit of an issue.
[01:50] <wgrant> But I think we have better ideas now.
[01:50] <wgrant> Email probably works.
[01:50] <wgrant> I need to experiment with how they interact with policies.
[01:50] <wgrant> They may make it easier.
[01:50] <sinzui> wgrant, yes. they do need more work, but I feel we have a path to solve the issue
[01:50] <wgrant> I am tempted to go with policies now and then see how multipillar bugs fall out.
[01:51] <sinzui> wgrant, I was thinking of adding a report task to the kanban. How many pillars share private bugs?
[01:51] <wgrant> sinzui: I was running reports on Tuesday to work that out.
[01:51] <wgrant> sinzui: Using all historical data, too.
[01:52] <wgrant> sinzui: (any bug that is private now, or has ever had the visibility changed)
[01:52] <wgrant> sinzui: I didn't end up finishing them, but I can finish the queries if you do want to know this.
[01:52] <sinzui> oh, I had not considered that
[01:52] <sinzui> I think we should know this because I am certain someone will ask us
[01:54] <wgrant> sinzui: It is relevant because many security bugs end up public.
[01:56] <wgrant> sinzui, lifeless: I have a set of scripts to populate an empty DB.
[01:56] <wgrant> With celebrities.
[01:56] <wgrant> And an initial user.
[01:57] <sinzui> oh sweet
[01:57] <wgrant> And then another one to create Ubuntu and set it up for Soyuz.
[01:57] <wgrant> I wrote them around two years ago, but updated them a few months ago.
[01:57] <wgrant> https://code.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/bootstrap-db-from-scratch\
[01:58] <sinzui> mailing lists require a script since it is not 100% in the db
[01:59] <wgrant> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/bootstrap-db-from-scratch/revision/10987 is the guts of it.
[01:59] <wgrant> karma and celebrities are the ugly bits.
[01:59] <wgrant> No.
[02:00] <wgrant> That would be nice, but slow and require lots of test fixes.
[02:00] <wgrant> right.
[02:01] <wgrant> These create a minimal DB that you can use a harness on to create more stuff.
[02:04] <wgrant> wallyworld_, lifeless, StevenK: eg. I have my base bootstrap-lp-db script which just creates minimal celebrities and a user for the caller, then make-ubuntu-sane to create sensible Ubuntu series. I imagine there would be lots of scripts like make-ubuntu-sane.
[02:06] <wgrant> We use make initscript-start on production.
[02:06] <wgrant> Not make run.
[02:12] <wgrant> *Especially* using the factory.
[02:18] <StevenK> wgrant: Can haz review?
[02:51] <StevenK> wgrant: bootstrap-lp-db was what lifeless was talking about it, which sounds like a good idea to me.
[02:51] <wgrant> Not quite what lifeless was talking about.
[02:51] <wgrant> I believe lifeless was talking about a script to generate something like the current sampledata.
[02:51] <wgrant> With bugs and projects.
[02:51] <wgrant> But not with SQL.
[02:52] <lifeless> yes
[02:53] <StevenK> wgrant: I was hoping my refactoring could remove more lines than it added, but alas.
[02:57] <thumper> wallyworld_: pong
[02:58] <wallyworld_> thumper: that utf-8 branch has a test failure on ec2 but not locally and my encoding foo is not that great https://pastebin.canonical.com/53926/
[02:58]  * thumper looks
[02:59] <wallyworld_> thumper: i'll paste the code snippet
[02:59] <wallyworld_> thumper: https://pastebin.canonical.com/53927/
[03:00] <thumper> and it works locally?
[03:00] <wallyworld_> the string 'hello \xce\xa3' is the correct non-unicode representation of the unicode string
[03:00] <wallyworld_> yes
[03:01] <wallyworld_> in the debugger, both the unicode and non-unicode versions appear correctly as hello (sigma)
[03:01] <wallyworld_> so i know the strings are correct
[03:01] <thumper> damn
[03:01]  * thumper has no idea
[03:01]  * wallyworld_ also has no idea
[03:02] <thumper> wallyworld_: ask someone who uses utf-8 more, like jtv or jelmer :)
[03:02] <wallyworld_> will do
[03:16] <wgrant> lifeless: http://paste.ubuntu.com/634326/
[03:23]  * StevenK prods wgrant about his MP so he can land it
[03:25] <wgrant> StevenK: Much better, thanks.
[03:26] <nigelb> Hrm, no stub yet :(
[03:26] <StevenK> stub has been awake for hours.
[03:26] <StevenK> wgrant: Thanks!  I just noticed you approved it.
[03:39] <nigelb> I must've lost the email :(
[03:42] <nigelb> lifeless: ohai, I see that you're OCR today, could you land something for me? :)
[03:42] <lifeless> nigelb: maybe; I'm EODish
[03:43] <StevenK> Point me at it
[03:46] <nigelb> lifeless: ah
[03:46] <nigelb> StevenK: https://code.launchpad.net/~nigelbabu/launchpad/create-description-5283/+merge/78220
[03:46] <nigelb> lifeless: It Thu that you start really early and end early?
[03:56] <StevenK> nigelb: Is there a bug for that work?
[03:57] <nigelb> StevenK: ah, right. Let me link.
[03:57] <StevenK> It's just a db patch, so it doesn't matter much
[03:57] <nigelb> StevenK: (In case it isn't apparent 5283)
[03:58] <nigelb> oh no. Someone removed that feature
[03:58] <wgrant> Not quite.
[03:58] <nigelb> when linking a bug it would suggest the number that's in the branch name
[03:58] <wgrant> It only works with numbers of 5 or more digits.
[03:58] <nigelb> bah!
[03:58] <wgrant> To minimise false-positives.
[03:58] <StevenK> lol
[03:58] <nigelb> StevenK: linked :)
[03:59] <nigelb> I'm going to change the dev wiki db patch page to say the right year.
[04:02] <StevenK> nigelb: lp-landed to db-devel
[04:03] <StevenK> r11051 of db-devel
[04:03] <nigelb> StevenK: that was fast.
[04:03] <nigelb> You didn't need a test run?
[04:04] <StevenK> It's a DB patch!
[04:04] <nigelb> heh
[04:04] <StevenK> What could possibly go wrong, etc, etc
[04:04] <nigelb> Famous last words etc
[04:12] <wallyworld_> StevenK: i had a db-patch fail last week. it got picked up by ec2 luckily. it was a combination of not null column and a trigger processing issue. so it depends on the nature of the change whether it should go through ec2
[04:14] <nigelb> wallyworld_: Its a new column, probably less risk :)
[04:14] <wallyworld_> nigelb: understood. i was just making a point about db patches sometimes needing ec2 :-)
[04:15] <lifeless> nigelb: earlier , not really early atm
[04:15] <lifeless> nigelb: but ye
[04:15] <lifeless> s
[04:16] <lifeless> wallyworld_: everything gets ec2 by default :)
[04:16] <wallyworld_> lifeless: yes. i was trying to be gentle :-)
[04:16] <wallyworld_> with my assertion that ec2 be used
[04:23] <StevenK> wgrant: So, are you happy enough for populate-bprc to land, and if it starts being crap, we change the query?
[04:28] <wgrant> StevenK: I'd prefer if we knew it wasn't crap, and that it was the way we wanted to go.
[04:29] <StevenK> wgrant: My timing of the query was 'acceptable', TBH
[04:29] <StevenK> And it didn't kill DF
[04:36] <StevenK> wgrant: So given the two choices of "It will make me sad" or "I won't abide, and will revert it." is it? :-)
[04:39] <wgrant> StevenK: Well, we need to decide whether we want it in our main DB right now.
[04:39] <wgrant> And whether the query doesn't suck.
[04:40] <StevenK> I thought we had these arguments already?
[04:45] <StevenK> 51 polls have been created this year.  Shall I revert?
[05:37] <wgrant> Yes.
[05:37] <wgrant> And ec2 things in future...
[05:37] <StevenK> Doing so.
[05:42] <nigelb> What'd I break?
[05:42] <StevenK> All of the triggers.
[05:42] <nigelb> Ugh.
[05:42] <nigelb> How?
[05:42] <nigelb> Or rather, how do I fix.
[05:43] <StevenK> wgrant: Reversion tossed at PQM.
[05:45]  * StevenK breaks PQM into tiny pieces and resubmits
[05:46] <wgrant> nigelb: The lp_person table and the lp_mirror_person_* triggers in trusted.sql. You need to replace them in a patch, like you did with bugtask.statusexplanation's FTI trigger.
[05:46] <wgrant> Wow.
[05:46] <wgrant> They depend on column order.
[05:46] <wgrant> stub: Make them go away :(
[05:46] <StevenK> Haha
[05:46] <StevenK> lp_person and lp_mirror_person_* are parasites.
[05:47] <wgrant> Actually.
[05:47] <wgrant> We rerun trusted.sql each time.
[05:47] <wgrant> So you can probably just edit the functions in-place.
[05:47] <StevenK> wgrant: Revert is r11053
[05:48] <StevenK> wgrant: It has CREATE OR REPLACE TRIGGER?
[05:48] <stub> yes, they can be edited in place. But we can't alter the lp_* table definitions.
[05:48] <stub> They will go away when ISD obtains that information through other channels, or decides it isn't needed at all.
[05:50] <wgrant> But they've got no motivation to fix this :/
[05:50] <stub> nigelb: How is your PL/pgSQL? I might need to take over that patch.
[05:50] <stub> They do, as their schema updates are a pain in the arse because their databases are tied into ours.
[05:54] <nigelb> stub: I suck :)
[05:55] <nigelb> stub: I'm glad to defer to you :)
[05:55] <nigelb> Hrm, awkward timing for that quit.
[05:55] <nigelb> :P
[05:56] <nigelb> wgrant / StevenK - I seem to be opening quite a can of worms lately :)
[05:56] <stub> bouncy bouncy
[05:57] <nigelb> stub: In case you missed that, please take over :)
[05:57] <stub> nigelb: ok
[07:08] <nigelb> stub: hey, can you let me know once its done, so I can work on the follow up branches? :)
[07:53] <lifeless> whats the status of lazr-js ?
[07:56] <wgrant> Merged into LP and abandoned.
[07:56] <wgrant> But I think launchpad-results still uses a tiny bit of it.
[07:58] <lifeless> wondering whether to mass close its bugs
[07:58] <lifeless> or move them to lp
[07:58] <lifeless> or ...
[07:58] <wgrant> Ignore them forever :)
[07:59] <lifeless> jelmer: bug 515918 - do we close it ?
[07:59] <_mup_> Bug #515918: package_name and suite not passed to dailydeb <lp-soyuz> <recipe> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/515918 >
[07:59] <nigelb> wgrant: I think those numbers are lying.
[08:00] <wgrant> nigelb: Which?
[08:00] <nigelb> wgrant: /topic
[08:00] <nigelb> Mainly because it doesn't account for the fact that new bugs are opened and old ones are closed.
[08:01] <wgrant> Well, it depends what you want to measure.
[08:01] <lifeless> nigelb: its not reporting rate
[08:01] <nigelb> lifeless: shouldn't it?
[08:02] <nigelb> Or should it be a fraction with closed numbers as well to give a comparison.
[08:02] <nigelb> Now it looks like nothing's happening :P
[08:02] <lifeless> nigelb: its not, and never has been, a fraction
[08:02] <lifeless> nigelb: perhaps I'm missing your point
[08:03] <wgrant> Hm, only 57 launchpad-project criticals from before this year.
[08:03] <nigelb> lifeless: Well, wht I'm trying to say is, well, it looks like work isn't being done. Which is wrong.
[08:03] <wgrant> Work is being done, but progress is not being made.
[08:03] <wgrant> The intention is to drive the critical queue to 0.
[08:03] <wgrant> That's what that graph measures.
[08:04] <nigelb> Ok, that explains it :)
[08:04] <wgrant> (it was ~250 when it started)
[08:04] <wgrant> Actually, started at 210.
[08:05] <nigelb> I should agree to take a pie to the face at spring UDS.
[08:05] <nigelb> Seeing the pace at which its going I may never have to :D
[08:06] <wgrant> Yep :)
[08:06] <wgrant> Also, Launchpadders aren't really at UDS any more, so there'll hardly be anyone to pie you :P
[08:06] <nigelb> I thought there's always a small representation?
[08:06] <nigelb> Anyway, there's ex-launchpadders in plenty.
[08:07] <nigelb> I'm sure joey or kiko or jml would be happy to have the pleasure :P
[08:08] <jml> wgrant: that's great (the only 57)
[08:08] <jml> wgrant: although, huh, we're good at adding critical bugs, it seems
[08:09] <wgrant> jml: I thought it would be well over 100.
[08:09] <wgrant> But apparently not.
[08:09] <wgrant> jml: Note that lots are old bugs, like timeouts that only appeared as we dropped the timeout.
[08:10] <wgrant> There are 81 timeout bugs, and I would be surprised if even 10 of them were actually new bugs.
[08:11] <jml> ahh right.
[08:11] <jml> what's the problem with those? are they unusually hard to fix?
[08:11] <wgrant> But I believe flacoste is currently analysing this sort of thing.
[08:11] <wgrant> No.
[08:12] <wgrant> I think the maintenance squads are suffering from a combination of taking too many big tasks at once, and possibly having too many people leaving :)
[08:12] <nigelb> leaving?
[08:15] <lifeless> jml: wgrant: the remaining old timeouts are hard to fix
[08:15] <lifeless> we nabbed most of the low hanging fruit already
[08:16] <wgrant> lifeless: Some of them are, yes. But lots are not.
[08:59] <lifeless> wgrant: can you parse bug 397165 for me
[08:59] <_mup_> Bug #397165: Upload queue changes should be more restricted <lp-soyuz> <soyuz-upload> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/397165 >
[09:06] <wgrant> lifeless: The web UI is pretty good (I think everything matches what's there, except possibly that Rejected->Accepted might not be exposed), but the internal API and command-line tools allow many transitions that should not be permitted.
[09:12] <lifeless> bug 405805 might qualify as critical even
[09:12] <_mup_> Bug #405805: Upload processing may reach a transaction deadlock when closing bugs <lp-soyuz> <soyuz-upload> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/405805 >
[09:14] <wgrant> lifeless: The upload processor doesn't really do transactions.
[09:15] <wgrant> For example, it's the reason "zopeless" mail isn't queued until the end of the transaction.
[09:26]  * StevenK tries to figure out the xx-ppa-workflow.txt error
[09:30] <StevenK> I think the test is amusing the buggy case of team renaming.
[09:49] <stub> Does a branch rolling back a rollback get a rollback= stanza in the commit message?
[09:50] <lifeless> no
[09:50] <lifeless> the rollback stanza is for the qa tagger
[09:50] <lifeless> to tell it that it fixes the bad-revision-xxxx
[09:51] <lifeless> so the range of revisions that can't be deployed is known
[09:55] <wgrant> We really need to fix the branch scanner.
[09:56] <wgrant> Needs to be faster, probably needs to do partial progressive scans of fresh branches (like we do with codeimports), and needs to destroy branchrevision :(
[10:13] <jelmer> wgrant: progressive scans would be a good start
[10:14] <wgrant> It can fortunately be done manually, but it's awkward and slow.
[11:35] <wallyworld_> jelmer: are you free to help me with a unicode/utf-8 problem?
[11:36] <jelmer> wallyworld_: hi
[11:36] <jelmer> wallyworld_: sure, what's up?
[11:37] <wallyworld_> hi. i'm not an expert sadly
[11:37] <wallyworld_> here's the issue - i have changed mp and branch emails to utf-8 encode the diff
[11:37] <wallyworld_> a test fails on ec2 but passes locally
[11:37] <wallyworld_> i'll pastebin the test, just a sec
[11:38] <wallyworld_> the test: https://pastebin.canonical.com/53927/, the failure: https://pastebin.canonical.com/53926/
[11:38] <wallyworld_> i'm not sure why is passes locally and fails on ec2
[11:39] <wallyworld_> the strings are correct - in my debugger, both the unicode and utf-8 versions are correctly represented
[11:40] <jelmer> wallyworld_: have you tried running locally with LC_ALL=C ?
[11:40] <wallyworld_> jelmer: what does that option do?
[11:43] <jelmer> wallyworld_: It's an environment variable
[11:43] <wallyworld_> sure :-) what does it affect?
[11:44] <jelmer> wallyworld_: It's the variable with the current language and encoding
[11:45] <wallyworld_> ok. and i assume that's what ec2 uses?
[11:45] <jelmer> wallyworld_: it influences, among other things, how bzr will encode things for the terminal
[11:45] <wallyworld_> the environment we run under ec2 i mean
[11:45] <wallyworld_> ok
[11:45] <jelmer> wallyworld_: We've seen some issues related to this when bzr is run with LC_ALL=C (ascii only) versus LC_ALL=en_AU.UTF-8 (UTF-8)
[11:46] <wallyworld_> ok. i'm trying it now
[11:51] <wallyworld_> jelmer: it still passes locally
[11:52] <jelmer> wallyworld_: the odd thing appears to be that you specify decode=True (which I assume means "return unicode") but you're getting back a plain string
[11:53] <wallyworld_> jelmer: decode=True tells the Python email library to reverse any encoding used when the message was constructed
[11:53] <wallyworld_> yes, wonder why a plain string is returned
[11:54] <wallyworld_> i'll have to dig around the email libs a bit i guess
[11:55] <wallyworld_> jelmer: btw, i only modified that test. the test used to only use non-unicode strings and i added the u'hello ...' to test the utf-8 encoding
[11:56] <wallyworld_> thanks for the help btw
[12:00] <jelmer> wallyworld_: Sorry, still digging..
[12:01] <wallyworld_> oh ok. thanks!. i've fired up the debugger and am looking to see if i missed anything
[12:01] <jelmer> wallyworld_: do you understand what the :3 comes from?
[12:02] <jelmer> I mean, not that the result is different, but why does it come up with ":3" ?
[12:02] <wallyworld_> jelmer: the unicode string i used is u'hello (sigma)' where (sigma) is the greek letter
[12:02] <wallyworld_> i guess that's what the decoded string comes out as on ec2
[12:03] <jelmer> but why would sigma become :3 ?
[12:03] <wallyworld_> i wish i knew
[12:03] <jelmer> It would be more understandable if it replaced it with \uffff or something
[12:03] <wallyworld_> yeah. locally, both strings print as the correct thing
[12:04] <wallyworld_> by "print", the debugger does a str() on them any they display correctly
[12:15] <cjwatson> anyone want to comment on the thoughts I posted in bug 572128?
[12:15] <_mup_> Bug #572128: Ubuntu Archive translations are missing Index metadata file <Launchpad itself:New> <debmirror (Ubuntu):Confirmed> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/572128 >
[12:18] <danilos> jelmer, wallyworld_: locale stuff can also support transcription to ASCII, though you usually have to explicitely ask for it
[12:19] <wallyworld_> danilos: i can't correlate what's happening here though. why would it pass locally and fail on ec2?
[12:19] <danilos> though, this doesn't sound like a reasonable transcription
[12:20] <danilos> wallyworld_, I would attribute it to ec2 developing feelings towards you (iow, sounds weird, yes :))
[12:20] <wallyworld_> i have a unicode string u'hello Σ' which is converted to utf-8, encoded as quoted-principal, decoded, and compared
[12:20] <wallyworld_> all the encoding etc happens in the python email libs
[12:21] <wallyworld_> i'm at a loss
[12:21] <wallyworld_> danilos: i have feelings for ec2 as well but it's not love
[12:21] <nigelb> heh
[12:22] <danilos> wallyworld_, judging from how it's working out for you, I'd say it's mutual :P anyway, I did see some differences between python on ec2 image and recent releases; have you had someone try it out locally on lucid as well?
[12:23] <wallyworld_> danilos: ah no. but that's a good idea, thanks. something environmental sounds like a reasonable culprit. and if it is, i wonder how to solve it
[12:24] <danilos> wallyworld_, "unset LANG LC_ALL" locally?
[12:24] <wallyworld_> i guess get it to fail first and go from there :-)
[12:24] <wallyworld_> danilos: jelmer suggested LC_ALL=C which i tried
[12:25] <wallyworld_> i'll try unset
[12:25] <danilos> wallyworld_, check with "locale" what the resulting settings are (sometimes LANG can override stuff on GNU systems)
[12:25] <cjwatson> LANG never overrides LC_ALL with GNU software
[12:25] <cjwatson> some crappy non-GNU software gets it wrong though :)
[12:26] <StevenK> I can never remember the order
[12:26] <wallyworld_> LANG=en_AU.UTF-8 for me
[12:26] <StevenK> LC_ALL LANG LANGUAGE ?
[12:26] <danilos> cjwatson, ah, ok, so how about LANGUAGE? I know there's a specific GNU extension
[12:26] <cjwatson> LANGUAGE > LC_ALL > LC_* > LANG
[12:26] <cjwatson> although only for the purposes of message categories; for all other locale categories, LC_ALL > LC_* > LANG
[12:27] <wallyworld_> with all those unset, it still works locally
[12:27] <danilos> wallyworld_, just trying out your test gives me https://pastebin.canonical.com/53948/, but I guess that's a bug you are fixing :)
[12:27]  * wallyworld_ cries
[12:27] <cjwatson> perhaps EC2 has a non-existent locale set in its environment or something
[12:28] <wallyworld_> could be, i'll have to look at how our images are generated
[12:28] <StevenK> ec2test calls os.environ.pop() on LANG, LC_ALL and LC_TIME
[12:28] <wallyworld_> StevenK: danilos suggested it may be a lucid thing
[12:29]  * wallyworld_ needs to reinstall lxc again
[13:01] <deryck> Morning, all.
[13:01] <rvba> Hi jcsackett!
[13:01] <rvba> Morning deryck.
[13:02] <jcsackett> morning rbva. :-)
[13:02] <jcsackett> er, rvba. :-P
[13:53] <jcsackett> sinzui: we're good to land the branch that kills the privacy banner feature flag now, right?
[13:53] <sinzui> yes
[13:53] <jcsackett> excellent.
[13:54] <jcsackett> out it goes.
[14:15] <flacoste> gary_poster, benji: (not urgent) can one of you have a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~mwhudson/launchpad/permit_timeout_from_features-on-participation-bug-861510/+merge/78355
[14:16] <benji> flacoste: I will momentarily.
[14:16] <gary_poster> thanks benji
[14:16] <benji> np
[14:16] <gary_poster> jcsackett I am finished with my regular morning calls, and can talk when you are ready.
[14:17] <gary_poster> no rush
[14:17] <jcsackett> gary_poster: awesome. i am actually free now, if you like. potentially this will be a short conversation. :-P
[14:17] <jcsackett> mumble work for you?
[14:17] <gary_poster> heh ok cool jcsackett.  skype usually works better, but I can do the mumble thing.  1 sec and I'll get on
[14:39] <danilos> mrevell, btw, any idea how did this break: bug 826634?
[14:43] <mrevell> bug 826634
[14:43] <mrevell> Come on robot, give me a link
[14:44] <mrevell> danilos, Crumbs. I've no idea
[14:46] <bigjools> mrevell: amazing that nobody asked for wikis on your survey
[14:46] <danilos> mrevell, oh, so the help files are on translations.launchpad.net and the links point to launchpad.net
[14:50] <mrevell> danilos, Oh, strange
[14:51] <mrevell> bigjools, Yeah, well, it was only a handful of people replied. I bet if we asked more people then wikis would come up.
[14:53] <cjwatson> is there a way to stop /var/tmp/archive/ from being cleaned up after failing archivepublisher tests?
[14:55] <bigjools> cjwatson: post-mortem debug
[14:55] <cjwatson> as in pdb?  ok
[14:55] <bigjools> yeah, there's a test runner option
[14:55] <bigjools> or you can remove the cleanup code
[15:35] <sinzui> jcsackett, mumble?
[15:37] <jcsackett> sinzui: sure, one moment.
[15:39] <benji> flacoste: I don't know if you want to engage further but FYI: I just added a comment to https://code.launchpad.net/~mwhudson/launchpad/permit_timeout_from_features-on-participation-bug-861510/+merge/78355 (didn't feel good about approving it, so I just commented)
[15:40] <flacoste> benji: ok, thanks
[16:03] <gary_poster> bigjools, if you have a moment to look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/869185 I'd appreciate it.  Please triage it, or if it is faster to tell me what to do about it, do that instead and I'll follow up.
[16:03] <_mup_> Bug #869185: P-a-s file ignored (even on cocoplum) <Launchpad itself:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/869185 >
[16:05] <bigjools> gary_poster: ok
[16:05] <gary_poster> thank you much
[16:05] <bigjools> gary_poster: gah it's a mix of more than one bug
[16:05] <gary_poster> oh :-/
[16:06] <bigjools> gary_poster: I can explain for your delectation and delight if you like
[16:06] <gary_poster> bigjools, I'm happy to listen, sure :-)
[16:06] <bigjools> do you know about the P-a-s file?
[16:06] <gary_poster> and learn even
[16:06] <gary_poster> no
[16:06] <bigjools> ok, it's used when creating builds for sources and acts as an override to whatever the source thinks it should build on
[16:07] <bigjools> so it can say !armel to exclude armel for example
[16:07] <gary_poster> ok
[16:07] <bigjools> the ubuntu guys rely on it so that they can take packages from Debian with no changes
[16:07] <gary_poster> I figured it was somehinng like that from context
[16:08] <bigjools> so bug #1 is that when we sync files from Debian using the new derived distros stuff, it doesn't use the P-a-s file at all
[16:08] <_mup_> Bug #1: Microsoft has a majority market share <iso-testing> <ubuntu> <Clubdistro:Confirmed> <Computer Science Ubuntu:Confirmed for compscibuntu-bugs> <dylan.NET.Reflection:Invalid> <dylan.NET:Invalid> <EasyPeasy Overview:Invalid by ramvi> <GenOS:In Progress by gen-os> <GNOME Screensaver:Won't Fix> <Ichthux:Invalid by raphink> <JAK LINUX:Invalid> <LibreOffice:In Progress by bjoern-michaelsen> <Linux:New> <Linux Mint:In Progress> <The Linux OS P
[16:08] <bigjools> argh go away mup
[16:08] <nigelb> heh
[16:08] <gary_poster> :-)
[16:09] <gary_poster> I se
[16:09] <gary_poster> e
[16:09] <bigjools> bug two (ha! screw you mup) is that it also didn't appear to work for a regular upload of the libx86 package
[16:09] <gary_poster> :-)
[16:09] <gary_poster> ah ok.  So the first is a non-critical feature bug (?) and the second is a critical regression?
[16:09] <bigjools> he's talking about cocoplum since that's where the ubuntu uploads go
[16:09] <gary_poster> gotcha
[16:10] <bigjools> so I need to split this into two
[16:10] <bigjools> bear with me
[16:10] <gary_poster> cool
[16:15] <bigjools> gary_poster: ok I updated the original bug a bit and reference the new one in it
[16:16]  * gary_poster looks
[16:17] <gary_poster> bigjools, why is first one (869185) not regression/critical?
[16:17] <bigjools> gary_poster: I was just thinking about that
[16:17] <bigjools> it's only a single package, hence my hesitation
[16:17] <gary_poster> right
[16:17]  * gary_poster leaves the decision to you :-D
[16:18] <bigjools> thanks :)
[16:18] <gary_poster> fwiw, based on your explanation, if you had left it to me I would have said critical
[16:19] <gary_poster> (on the basis of "the rules")
[16:19] <bigjools> rules are there to bend
[16:19] <gary_poster> :-) fair enough
[16:20] <bigjools> I am just finding out if it's more widespread, if so it's a critical regression
[16:20] <gary_poster> ok
[16:20] <bigjools> no idea *how* since nobody changed that code lately ...
[16:20] <cjwatson> I think I have a fix for bug 572128; would anyone care to have a *cough* post-implementation chat about it? :-)
[16:20] <_mup_> Bug #572128: Ubuntu Archive translations are missing Index metadata file <Launchpad itself:New> <debmirror (Ubuntu):Confirmed> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/572128 >
[16:20] <gary_poster> cjwatson I was just seeing if danilos were around to look at that bug
[16:21] <gary_poster> I don't think he is :-P
[16:21] <cjwatson> I posted general approach in the bug comments, and http://paste.ubuntu.com/703479/ appears to pass tests for me
[16:22] <bigjools> cjwatson: I'd love to but kinda busy, I can chat tomorrow if you don't find anyone before then
[16:22] <cjwatson> sure, that will be fine, pretty tired now anyway
[16:22] <bigjools> I hear ya
[16:23] <bigjools> cjwatson: since you're here, are you aware of any other failures to use P-a-s for uploaded packages?
[16:23] <gary_poster> cjwatson, from a pure triaging perspective, is this a regression
[16:23] <cjwatson> I'll assign myself in the meantime
[16:23] <gary_poster> (572128) on the LP side
[16:24] <cjwatson> gary_poster: yes, albeit one that's my fault
[16:24] <gary_poster> :-) ok
[16:24] <gary_poster> I'll triage as such.  thanks cjwatson
[16:24] <cjwatson> (and a regression by cooperation between LP and mirroring tools)
[16:25] <cjwatson> bigjools: I haven't *noticed* any, although that doesn't necessarily say much - doko is much better informed here than I am
[16:25] <cjwatson> due to his work on test rebuilding
[16:25] <bigjools> yeah, I was trying to reach him
[16:26] <cjwatson> TBH it's the kind of thing I habitually write off since historically it's been lost in the noise of real failures
[16:26] <bigjools> cjwatson: the other side of the coin - do you know any that are ok that are in p-a-s?
[16:26] <cjwatson> now that we're getting those down to reasonable levels ...
[16:27] <cjwatson> bigjools: grub2 was fine last time I uploaded it, although it also has an explicit Architecture line
[16:27] <bigjools> ok - I wonder if p-a-s has a fault itself for libx86 then
[16:27] <cjwatson> easy to check
[16:27] <cjwatson> %libx86: !armel !hppa !ia64 !m68k !mips !mipsel !powerpc !sh4 !sparc  # <sys/io.h>
[16:28] <cjwatson> looks right to me
[16:28] <bigjools> me too
[16:28] <bigjools> weird
[19:46] <cr3> benji: quick lazr.restful/wadllib question for you, does this error ring a bell: UnsupportedMediaTypeError: This resource doesn't define a representation for media type text/plain
[19:47] <benji> cr3: I don't think I've seen that one before but I would suspect there's an adapter you can provide that would make it work.
[19:47] <cr3> benji: it seems to happen when an object is returned with a 304
[19:49] <cr3> benji: the same api url, when returning a 200, works fine. but, when it has not been modified, that's when I get: https://pastebin.canonical.com/53985/
[19:49] <benji> cr3: that's weird; since a 304 can't have a body then there's no reason to be looking for a representation (or for it to have a content-type at all)
[19:50] <cr3> benji: indeed, the appserver says it's returning 0 bytes, the representation might be in the header though
[19:51] <benji> cr3: well, 304 is Not Modified so there shouldn't be any representation anywhere
[20:12] <jelmer> bug 369752
[20:12] <_mup_> Bug #369752: Don't allow branch type to be selected on branch add form <easy> <lp-code> <ui> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/369752 >
[22:15] <sinzui> jcsackett, mumble?
[22:34] <sinzui> wallyworld__, https://launchpad.net/launchpad/+milestone/3.0
[22:37] <wallyworld__> wgrant: here's the branch lp:~wallyworld/launchpad/utf8-encode-diffs-861979 and here's the test lp.code.mail.tests.test_branch.TestBranchMailerDiff.test_generateEmail_with_diff
[22:52] <wallyworld__> wgrant: https://pastebin.canonical.com/53948/
[23:38] <wgrant> wallyworld_: AssertionError: 'hello \xce\xa3' != 'hello :3'
[23:38] <wallyworld_> wgrant: yes, that's what ec2 says too
[23:38] <wallyworld_> so it's a lucid vs oneiric issue
[23:38] <wgrant> Yep.
[23:38]  * wgrant adds D
[23:38] <wgrant> -D
[23:39] <wallyworld_> bollocks
[23:39] <wallyworld_> i could force the encoding to base64 to see if that helps
[23:39] <wgrant> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
[23:39] <wgrant> hello =3A3
[23:39] <wgrant> Is that as expected?
[23:39] <wgrant> Apparently not.
[23:40]  * wallyworld__ sighs. another unity/compiz crash
[23:41] <wgrant> you don't just restart unity in that case?
[23:46] <wallyworld__> wgrant: it took out quassel as well this time
[23:47] <wallyworld__> everything went belly up
[23:47] <wgrant> Hah
[23:51] <wallyworld__> wgrant: i've pushed a change, can you try again?
[23:52] <wgrant> wallyworld__: Have you seen the hack at the top of sendmail.py?
[23:52] <wgrant> To force quoted-printable?
[23:52] <wgrant> I wonder if that might be relevant.
[23:52] <wgrant> Because set_payload is indeed writing =3A3, which is :3.
[23:53] <wallyworld__> wgrant: you mean in encodeOptimally()
[23:53] <wallyworld__> ?
[23:53] <wgrant> wallyworld__: No, at module load time.
[23:53] <wgrant> It overrides the default encoidng.
[23:53] <wgrant> del Charset.CHARSETS['utf-8']
[23:53] <wgrant> Charset.add_charset('utf-8', Charset.SHORTEST, Charset.QP, 'utf-8')
[23:53] <wgrant> Charset.add_alias('utf8', 'utf-8')
[23:54] <wallyworld__> oah, didn;t notice that
[23:54] <wallyworld__> well that sucks
[23:54] <wgrant> http://paste.ubuntu.com/703671/
[23:54] <wgrant> That is indeed relevant.
[23:54] <wgrant> set_payload actually crashes until you do that.
[23:55] <wgrant> Interestingly, in python2.7 it doesn't crash initially.
[23:55] <wgrant> It encodes UTF-8 with base64.
[23:56] <wallyworld__> wgrant: so on python 2.6, base64 encoding of utf-8 crashes?
[23:56] <wgrant> And with the charset hack installed, 2.7 encodes to =CE=A3
[23:56] <wgrant> wallyworld__: It seems so.
[23:57] <wallyworld__> but i just tried pythin 2.6 and base64 locally and it worked
[23:57] <wgrant> wallyworld__: I wonder if set_payload doesn't actually like unicode in 2.6.
[23:58] <wgrant> Perhaps it takes the charset that the payload is encoded in, not a charset in which the payload should be encoded.
[23:58] <wgrant> The docs are not clear.
[23:58] <wgrant>         if str(charset) != charset.get_output_charset():
[23:58] <wgrant>             self._payload = charset.body_encode(self._payload)
[23:58] <wgrant> I think the payload is meant to be pre-encoded.
[23:59] <wallyworld__> argh, ffs. another unity crash
[23:59] <wallyworld__> i don't think the payload is meant to be pre-encoded


[09:18] <Dylan_> Hello
[09:18] <Dylan_> Is there anyway I can get minecraft running cause when I run it just shows a white screen and then exits
[10:48] <jea> I haven't tried minecraft on ubuntu before
[10:49] <jea> is there any debug information in the terminal if you start it from there?


[00:01] <biotim> oterrivel: XML copy editor is decent, can be found in the repos   http://xml-copy-editor.sourceforge.net/
[00:11] <jamc> Hola hay alguien ahi?
[00:12] <jamc> Hi, is there anybody there?
[00:27] <jamc> Hola, me puedes ayudar?
[00:51] <johnjay> hola como esta usteded
[08:32] <z12221z> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Ubuntu "zesty" 17.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6200U CPU @ 2.30GHz (2.40GHz) • Memory: Physical: 948.8 MiB Total (485.7 MiB Free) Swap: 925.0 MiB Total (917.1 MiB Free) • Storage: 6.7 GB / 22.2 GB (15.5 GB Free) • VGA: VMware SVGA II Adapter @ Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX Host bridge • Uptime: 7m 39s
[08:32] <z12221z> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Ubuntu "zesty" 17.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6200U CPU @ 2.30GHz (2.40GHz) • Memory: Physical: 948.8 MiB Total (485.7 MiB Free) Swap: 925.0 MiB Total (917.1 MiB Free) • Storage: 6.7 GB / 22.2 GB (15.5 GB Free) • VGA: VMware SVGA II Adapter @ Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX Host bridge • Uptime: 7m 44s
[08:33] <alkisg> Very interesting... ah, no, it isn't. :)
[16:51] <sergiodriss> hol
[17:13] <johnjay> pluma... lol ubuntu mate was originally from argentina right?
[17:38] <KTrad> I think the original developer was
[17:39] <johnjay> wikipedia said something like that. maybe i misinterpreted
[17:39] <johnjay> it made it sound like ubuntu-mate is mainly a spanish language project
[17:42] <KTrad> Run by people that mostly speak english now I believe
[17:46] <johnjay> eh damn cultural appropriators
[17:46] <johnjay> you start a small thing on github and soon enough it's taken over by a crowd
[17:46] <KTrad> lol
[18:24] <TomD62> Hello all.
[18:25] <TomD62> I've just installed amd-gpu on my old laptop and after rebooting Ive found that I cannot use my touchpad or keyboard
[18:25] <TomD62> Can anyone help me?
[18:25] <Akuli> do you have the usb stick that you installed ubuntu mate from?
[18:25] <Akuli> or any linux usb stick
[18:26] <TomD62> I don't but I could possibly grab a new one.
[18:26] <Akuli> ok, do that and boot from it
[18:26] <TomD62> What would be my next steps from there?
[18:26] <Akuli> we'll boot from the stick and chroot to your system
[18:27] <Akuli> so we'll be running the kernel and gui and everything from the stick, but / will be your hard drive
[18:27] <Akuli> then we can just apt remove amd-gpu or whatever
[18:30] <Akuli> hmm maybe we don't even need a chroot
[18:31] <Akuli> might be easier with a chroot, and we can be sure that it works
[18:33] <TomD62> Hey sorry, my phone locked. Just setting up the Ubuntu Mate usb in a bit. Cheers for this
[18:34] <Akuli> ok :)
[18:34] <Akuli> some instructions http://termbin.com/4u11
[18:37] <TomD62> Cheers!
[18:38] <TomD62> Once I've removed amd-gpu will I have to reinstall Radeon?
[18:42] <Akuli> TomD62, i don't know, maybe someone else knows
[18:42] <Akuli> if it doesn't work you can always come back and chroot again
[18:43] <Akuli> you need to get internet working in the chroot if you install stuff though... well others know how to help with that
[18:47] <TomD62> Thanks.
[18:59] <TomD62> My god. This downloaded is estimated to be an hour and I believe it.  The laptop wont even use a usb keyboard either
[19:00] <Akuli> maybe we don't need that
[19:01] <TomD62> I'm downloading the 64bit LTS, is that alright?
[19:01] <Akuli> doesn't matter, any linux iso will do
[19:02] <Akuli> hmm
[19:02] <Akuli> i'm sure we can find something more minimal too
[19:02] <Akuli> do you have another computer or something to connect here while you're doing something to the computer?
[19:02] <TomD62> I've got this windows10 laptop that I'm borrowing for a moment
[19:03] <Akuli> ok, are you connected here with that now?
[19:03] <TomD62> No but I can switch to that now that you mention it. More convenient than my phone
[19:04] <TomD62> Brb
[19:04] <TomD626> Ta-Da
[19:05] <KTrad> why not try like tiny core?
[19:05] <Akuli> great :D
[19:05] <Akuli> KTrad, i'm thinking of the init=/bin/bash hack
[19:05] <Akuli> TomD626, reboot the linux laptop and hold down left shift while it boots
[19:05] <KTrad> oh ok
[19:05] <Akuli> KTrad, maybe it won't work, we
[19:05] <Akuli> KTrad, maybe it won't work, we'll see
[19:06] <KTrad> I just figured if you needed a super light live distro tiny core is only several megabytes and will do what you need
[19:06] <TomD626> oohoho Ir for me to the grub boot menu
[19:06] <Akuli> great
[19:06] <Akuli> now highlight the ubuntu but don't press enter
[19:06] <Akuli> press e like edit
[19:06] <TomD626> done
[19:06] <Akuli> go down with arrow keys, one of the lines starts with linux
[19:07] <TomD626> yup
[19:07] <Akuli> go to its end, if it ends with \ go to end of next line
[19:07] <Akuli> add a space, then init=/bin/bash
[19:08] <Akuli> there are a couple different ways to continue from here, i think ctrl+x is one way
[19:08] <TomD626> hmm it looks like      e-86\
[19:08] <Akuli> yes
[19:08] <Akuli> go to end of next line
[19:08] <TomD626> but then it continues on another line with abi-03f0f.........
[19:08] <Akuli> oh
[19:08] <Akuli> just go to the end of the first line
[19:08] <Akuli> it'll jump to the next line
[19:08] <Akuli> the \ means that the line is too long to fit on the screen, so it's in two pieces
[19:09] <TomD626> right
[19:09] <Akuli> do you have init=/bin/bash at the end now?
[19:09] <TomD626> yup
[19:10] <Akuli> i think you need to press ctrl+x
[19:10] <TomD626> yeah done
[19:10] <Akuli> it should boot into a really minimal terminal
[19:10] <TomD626> alright I'm in
[19:10] <TomD626> class
[19:10] <Akuli> type in something like echo hello
[19:10] <Akuli> does it work?
[19:11] <TomD626> yeah, this is brilliant
[19:11] <Akuli> great
[19:11] <Akuli> from now on, "$ something" means "type something and press enter"
[19:11] <TomD626> okidoki
[19:11] <Akuli> $ mount -o remount /
[19:11] <Akuli> you shouldn't get any errors
[19:11] <TomD626> yup, done
[19:11] <Akuli> $ apt remove amd-gpu
[19:12] <Akuli> i'm amazed if this actually works
[19:12] <TomD626> unable to locate package am-gpu
[19:12] <TomD626> amd*
[19:12] <Akuli> hmm
[19:12] <Akuli> how did you install it?
[19:12] <KTrad> might not be the name of the package
[19:12] <KTrad> can you type amd  and just tab to complete?
[19:12] <TomD626> hmmm indeed. I'll try and check my search history on my phone
[19:13] <Akuli> i think tab completion should work here
[19:13] <TomD626> yeah tab completion worke
[19:13] <Akuli> there's an apt log too
[19:13] <Akuli> if you want to read it, $ less /var/log/apt/history.log
[19:13] <Akuli> you can press q to get out of that
[19:14] <TomD626> oh god. Yeah that's an extensive log
[19:14] <Akuli> the newest things are at the bottom
[19:14] <Akuli> if your laptop has an end key, press that to jump to bottom
[19:15] <TomD626> here we go. I installed xserver-xorg-core
[19:15] <TomD626> and it removed a load of stuff
[19:15] <TomD626> because I'm a moron.
[19:15] <Akuli> oh well
[19:15] <Akuli> i wonder if we could set up an internet connection from here
[19:15] <TomD626> Sorry I told the laptop to reboot while I went to grab food, so I got my wires crossed there.
[19:15] <Akuli> probably not on systemd, would be really straight-forward with sysvinit
[19:16] <KTrad> yea not sure how to do that from systemd
[19:16] <TomD626> well ping isn't working at least.
[19:16]  * KTrad googles
[19:16] <Akuli> if it's possible it's probably not documented
[19:16] <KTrad> hold on
[19:16] <Akuli> on sysvinit i would just run "/etc/init.d/networking start"
[19:17] <TomD626> worked
[19:17] <Akuli> the networking start?
[19:17] <Akuli> if it did
[19:17] <Akuli> then thats weird
[19:17] <TomD626> it outputted * Configurig network interfaces
[19:17] <Akuli> hmm
[19:17] <Akuli> maybe it did work then
[19:17] <Akuli> $ ping www.google.com
[19:17] <TomD626> ah, uknown host still
[19:18] <Akuli> is your internet wifi or a cable?
[19:18] <Akuli> or mobile broadband?
[19:18] <TomD626> I could move to the router for Ethernet
[19:18] <TomD626> I'm guessing wifi might not be working at the moment?
[19:19] <Akuli> yes
[19:19] <Akuli> i have no idea how to get wifi to work
[19:19] <Akuli> but ethernet may work
[19:19] <Akuli> you can also try $ /etc/init.d/networking restart
[19:21] <TomD626> move to ethernet
[19:21] <TomD626> Waiting on orders
[19:23] <TomD626> still unknown host for google sadly
[19:23] <KTrad> from what I read
[19:23] <KTrad> one sec let me find the page again
[19:24] <TomD626> No worries
[19:24] <Akuli> KTrad, i need to go now, try to figure out something :)
[19:24] <TomD626> Thanks for the help Akuli!
[19:24] <Akuli> i think we need internet for downloading whatever was removed
[19:25] <TomD626> yeah i'm connected via Ethernet so hopefully we can get something downloaded
[19:25] <Akuli> KTrad, if the internet will work, you can easily get TomD626's log:   nc termbin.com 9999 < /var/whateveridontremember
[19:25] <KTrad> you need to copy /etc/resolve.conf to /mnt/etc/resolve.conf for it to use DNS
[19:25] <Akuli> KTrad, this is the init=bash hack
[19:25] <Akuli> not chroot
[19:25] <KTrad> oh yea
[19:25] <Akuli> anyway you know what you're doing
[19:25] <KTrad> forgot about that lol
[19:26] <KTrad> I'll try
[19:26] <Akuli> there are other advanced people too :) i'll be back tomorrow
[19:28] <KTrad> TomD626: try running telinit 2
[19:28] <KTrad> that should take you to multi-user with networking mode
[19:30] <TomD626> Hey, it says Couldn't find alternative telinit implemtation to spawn
[19:32] <KTrad> oh cause systemd
[19:32] <KTrad> systemctl isolate multi-user.target
[19:33] <KTrad> that should take you to what was runlevel 2
[19:33] <TomD626> Sadly - "Failed to connect to bus: no such file or directory
[19:34] <KTrad> grr
[19:35] <TomD626> Yeah sorry about this. Catastrophe.
[19:36] <KTrad> try it with sudo
[19:36] <TomD626> same sadly
[19:37] <KTrad> I really hate systemd
[19:37] <TomD626> Haha, yeah it feels like I'm prolonging the inevitable
[19:37] <deskwizard> yeah just get your files and wipe the thing already :P
[19:38] <TomD626> So how would I go about doing that?
[19:38] <KTrad> one more idea
[19:38] <KTrad> cd /etc/systemd/system
[19:38] <TomD626> All I really need to do is grab a novel Ive been writing, and then I'm ready to start afresh
[19:38] <deskwizard> live cd/usb + something to shove it on
[19:38] <KTrad> if that is the case just use a USB to cp it
[19:39] <KTrad> will be a lot easier
[19:39] <deskwizard> or boot from live cd, email to yourself
[19:40] <TomD626> well, I could copy to my usb and then stick it on this laptop I'm on now
[19:40] <TomD626> so cd to it's location, then cp to the usb?
[19:40] <KTrad> yea probably have to manually mount it though
[19:41] <TomD626> qwll
[19:41] <TomD626> well*
[19:41] <KTrad> or the other option is to change the default target ubuntu boots to to multi-user reboot once at terminal uninstall what you did  and reinstall everything else then change the default target back and in theory that should work
[19:42] <TomD626> cd'ing to my home folder I've found my user folder - but inside it is "Acces Your Private Data" which is not a directory, and README
[19:42] <TomD626> I'm told that it's been unmounted to protect my data
[19:42] <KTrad> boot up a live disk
[19:42] <deskwizard> you'll need a mate boot disk anyway...
[19:43] <TomD626> Okidoki
[19:43] <KTrad> yup
[19:43] <TomD626> Alright lets do this.
[19:44] <deskwizard> once your booted there, the world is you canvas, as long as the world is that computer and the canvas is the GUI
[19:44] <deskwizard> s/you/your
[19:44] <TomD626> That's a world I want to live in.
[19:45] <KTrad> I want to live in a world that I have a job that doesn't require me to use photoshop. So I can finally nuke OSX on this powerbook and install Linux/BSD
[19:46] <johnjay> KTrad: you can dual boot.
[19:46] <deskwizard> ^
[19:46] <johnjay> or something
[19:46] <KTrad> I do have it dualbooted
[19:46] <deskwizard> something is even better ;)
[19:46] <KTrad> But I want to nuke the OSX partition for good
[19:46] <johnjay> isn't there a way to alt-tab between operating systems with like VT-x or something?
[19:46] <KTrad> On powerpc?
[19:47] <deskwizard> just for my own personal lolz, what photoshop version runs on that?
[19:47] <KTrad> Computer has a 1.5GHz PowerPC G4 and 2GB of ram. The 64mb video card is the real killer though
[19:48] <KTrad> CS1 - 4 will
[19:48] <deskwizard> Oh okay, didnt think it went that high, cool :)
[19:48] <KTrad> Technically CS4 doesn't support anything less than a G5
[19:48] <KTrad> but it works just fine
[19:48] <KTrad> I use CS2 though as it is the only copy I legally own
[19:48] <TomD626> Wow, how old is that?
[19:48] <KTrad> 2005 is when CS2 came out
[19:49] <KTrad> Opens up CS6 documents just fine though surprisingly enough
[19:49] <KTrad> If I could find a copy of CS3 though I'd be happier because then at least I could get off of OSX 10.4.11
[19:49] <KTrad> 10.5.8 is a nicer OS overall but CS2 will not run on it for some reason
[19:50]  * KTrad shrugs
[19:51] <johnjay> KTrad: i still have ptsd from the last time I tried using a mac
[19:51] <KTrad> why's that?
[19:51] <johnjay> Downloaded xcode, took hours. Then it wouldn't compile hello world.
[19:51] <KTrad> If it was post 10.7 I can understand
[19:51] <johnjay> Asked around on forums and tinkered with it for hours
[19:51] <KTrad> yea xcode is a joke
[19:52] <johnjay> Finally I figured out I had downloaded a version for the newer 10.11 or something
[19:52] <johnjay> and it wouldn't work on 10.10 unless i went into some random config menu and changed a release target
[19:52] <KTrad> Honestly my biggest issue with OSX (besides it being proprietary crap) is that they still haven't gotten multiple monitors right since they broke them in 10.7 and the maximise button takes you to a new desktop completely it is so stupid
[19:53] <KTrad> cya
[19:53] <KTrad> gotta go
[19:54] <TomD626> Thanks for the help KTrad
[19:54] <ubuntu-mate> he's not here!
[19:54] <TomD626> HE'S HERE IN SPIRIT
[19:55] <ubuntu-mate> yeah.. hovering above us
[19:55] <TomD626> So, once I've created this LTS live image, I should be able to boot into my laptop? Hopefully?
[19:56] <ubuntu-mate> how do you boot it burn it on CD?
[19:56] <TomD626> used rufus and popped it on a usb
[19:56] <ubuntu-mate> cool
[19:57] <ubuntu-mate> you know there's a boot program that can boot ISO files strait from the HD!
[19:58] <TomD626> Gorram it.
[19:58] <ubuntu-mate> what?
[19:58] <TomD626> Nevermind, Firefly reference.
[19:58] <TomD626> I've fired it up now. So hopefully touchpad and keyboard is working.
[19:58] <johnjay> i guess i have to watch Firefly again
[19:59] <johnjay> only show joss whedon made that was any good.
[19:59] <ubuntu-mate> and i don't know what is firefly but there are fireworks at 4th of july!
[20:00] <TomD626> Hmm, okay so I'm given the option to install Ubuntu mate or Try Ubuntu Mate
[20:00] <TomD626> Will I be able to access my files at all using this?
[20:00] <ubuntu-mate> you meen using the program that boots ISO fro HD?
[20:02] <ubuntu-mate> it seems that every one i talk to runs away...
[20:03] <johnjay> no we're here.
[20:03] <johnjay> watching. waiting for the moment to strike
[20:03] <johnjay> with some internet regulations! muahaha
[20:03] <ubuntu-mate> oh that's good
[20:04] <johnjay> it's funny i was in another channel arguing about what the official spec said
[20:04] <johnjay> but on ubuntu there isn't really any spec
[20:04] <johnjay> so... you can't ever really win an argument about something
[20:04] <TomD626666> So just to recap - I accidentally uninstalled a load of packages by installing x.org core package or something?
[20:04] <ubuntu-mate> say does anyone here understands in javascript?
[20:05] <TomD626666> Upon rebooting I had no use of Mouse or Keyboard
[20:05] <TomD626666> So now I've popped Ubuntu Mate on a USB and wish to know how I can fix the situation
[20:06] <johnjay> TomD626666: did you use dist-upgrade?
[20:07] <ubuntu-mate> well i'm going
[20:07] <TomD626666> Nah I used apt-get install and installed something like x.org.core or something.
[20:07] <johnjay> apt-get install shouldn't remove packages
[20:07] <johnjay> only dist-upgrade does
[20:08] <TomD626666> sorry, it removed files. Asked if I wanted to install and remove things in the process. Naively I said yes.
[20:08] <johnjay> i don't think apt-get does that
[20:08] <johnjay> unless i'm mistaken
[20:09] <johnjay> were you using apt-get or an xorg installer?
[20:09] <TomD626666> apt-get
[20:09] <TomD626666> I'll try and find the command, one momento
[20:11] <johnjay> ok i just checked. apt-get does indeed remove packages
[20:11] <johnjay> but only if you tell it to do so by appending a '-' to the package name
[20:12] <johnjay> that's using "install"
[20:12] <TomD626666> Hmm I must have done that
[20:12] <johnjay> if you use "upgrade" then it says under no circumstances will it do that
[20:14] <johnjay> i think there is a log file
[20:14] <johnjay> do you have a file in /var/log/apt?
[20:14] <johnjay> i'm assuming you're on ubuntu-mate?
[20:15] <TomD626666> Yeah I checked early, I'm currently tinkering but I'll try and grab it for you
[20:17] <johnjay> by the way I tried installing and then removing a package and that shows up in my log file
[20:17] <johnjay> so you could try cat /var/log/apt/history.log | grep Remove
[20:17] <johnjay> and see if you recognize anything
[20:21] <TomD626666> Trying to start up in recovery mode, hoping to grab some files and maybe just start from fresh
[20:21] <TomD626666> It's getting late and eyes hurt.
[20:22] <johnjay> what are you on, a pc or a raspberry pi?
[20:22] <johnjay> i'm on a pi and seems like a bunch of people are suddenly
[20:23] <TomD626666> I'm currently on a Windows10 laptop trying to fix an Ubuntu MATE laptop
[20:23] <TomD626666> Feels bad..
[20:26] <TomD626666> So it's hung on start up at "Started Update UTMP about System Runlevel Changes" which after a quick google seems to be related to my initial problem
[20:26] <TomD626666> Pretty sure the thing I installed was something like install xserver-xorg-video-amd
[20:28] <TomD626666> or xserver-xorg-core
[20:33] <johnjay> ah ok
[20:33] <johnjay> well i got to go but i would check that history.log file
[20:33] <johnjay> see what you removed and try to install it
[20:35] <TomD626666> cheers
[20:36] <TomD626666> Weellll I'm admitting defeat
[20:36] <TomD626666> Thank you for all the help everyone
[22:54] <johnjay> does anybody know a good list of packages to install?
[22:54] <johnjay> the default of ubuntu and debian doesn't even come with emacs
[22:55] <johnjay> i'm thinking about making an install script that just auto installs stuff
[22:58] <vagner> oii
[22:58] <johnjay> i mean vim wasn't even installed. come on
[23:03] <johnjay> oh my god
[23:03] <johnjay> i think i'm a genius
[23:03] <johnjay> go to askubuntu.com. type in the search box "apt get install XYZ"
[23:03] <johnjay> and you will get the apt get command you need highlighted
[23:03] <johnjay> YES


[00:51] <cjwatson> Hey, I was wondering if somebody could update the SSH key stuff in https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/packaging/packaging-requirements/ ?  Launchpad now supports Ed25519 SSH keys, so it's fine for people to use those instead of RSA.
[00:53] <kc2bez> Good to know cjwatson thanks for the message. I will see that it gets an update.
 looks like wxl updated it
[01:00] <kc2bez> I just fixed up the bzr part
 ok if we're in favor of moving I'll make the month to month purchase and the first month'll come fro Lubuntu's coffers, then I'll split 50/50 with my own pocket later. (re @kc2bez: I'm in favor of moving and if possible adding some translations, especially for the manual.)
 it'll take 72h to get it set up and installed once ordered and will be in the Virginia datacenter
[01:00] <cjwatson> kc2bez: Great, thanks!
[01:01] <kc2bez> Sure thing.
[01:01] <kc2bez> Sounds good @teward001
 okay, order complete, and paid via the PayPal account.  That will take a 72h processing time for them to install, but then we have the bare metal dedicated server - we can use ALL the CPU and RAM, it's not shared.
[01:07] <kc2bez> Sweet!
 fyi https://launchpad.net/bugs/1961324
 Firefox snap in Lubuntu Jammy fast and no problems - looks good to me
 That is good to hear @Leokolb
 Perfect (re @Leokolb: Firefox snap in Lubuntu Jammy fast and no problems - looks good to me)
 Thanks!


[06:42] <dholbach> good morning
[10:57] <t1mp> ahayzen: yes you can use Styles.PageHeaderStyle. Like this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12859453/
[10:58] <t1mp> ahayzen: or you inherit from that component in your own PageHeaderStyle.qml if you create your own theme
[11:01] <ahayzen> t1mp, awesome thanks :-)
[11:01] <t1mp> ahayzen: let me know how it works :)
[11:02] <t1mp> ahayzen: the new PageHeader does not automatically show back buttons yet (for PageStack or AdaptivePageLayout). I'm still working on that
[11:02] <ahayzen> t1mp, i assume one of the properties allows you to change the border colour on the tab popover ?
[11:02] <t1mp> I think the other features are there.
[11:02] <t1mp> ahayzen: brb, meeting now
[11:05] <t1mp> ahayzen: you cannot configure the delegate for the popover yet, but those colors come from the palette
[11:05] <ahayzen> t1mp, its just the colour we want to change as with our dark theme there is a white line inbetween each one
[18:03] <ahayzen> Hi, when using WebView in QML what is the recommended way to set a custom user agent ? There seems to be multiple ways, of which none I have been able to get working :-/
[18:03] <ogra_> you need a webcontext
[18:04] <ahayzen> ogra_, yeah I've tied that :-/ is there an example app somewhere ?
[18:06] <ogra_> ahayzen, install aliensattack (i uploaded that on the weekend) ... then take a look at /opt/click.ubuntu.com/aliensattack.ogra/current/qml/Main.qml
[18:07] <ogra_> i think thats the most minimal webview app i have
[18:07] <ahayzen> ok thanks ogra_ :-)
[18:14] <ahayzen> ogra_, weee its working thanks :-)
[18:15] <ogra_> :)
[22:31] <ahoneybun> ahayzen: are they really working on Spotify support for the music app?
[22:31] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, who is they ;-)
[22:31] <ahoneybun> Canonical or the community?
[22:31] <popey> heh
[22:31] <popey> Canonical is part of the community, for the record :)
[22:32] <ahoneybun> mm
[22:32] <ahayzen> ...and the community is part of canonical ? ;-)
[22:32] <ahoneybun> my mindset is different
[22:32] <ahoneybun> but not an issue at this moment
[22:32] <popey> ahoneybun: in answer to your question, yes, we plan to add streaming support
[22:32] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, we have discussed streaming many times would be my response, but we are awaiting design more upstream work
[22:32] <popey> which might mean spotify
[22:33] <popey> yeah, needs some design input for sure
[22:33] <ahayzen> :-)
[22:33] <ahoneybun> sweet
[22:33] <ahoneybun> I wonder if everything is still covered by #MusicFreedom from T-Mobile
[22:34] <ahoneybun> I think hotspot should be gone from the panel :)
[22:34] <ahoneybun> if it is not in the settings by normal means
[22:35] <ahayzen> i think mobile data should be a toggle in the network indicator really
[22:35] <ahoneybun> yes
[22:35] <ahoneybun> for sure
[22:35] <ahoneybun> mhall119: https://twitter.com/ATHoneycutt/status/656235575821889536\
[22:35] <ahoneybun> mhall119: https://twitter.com/ATHoneycutt/status/656235575821889536
[22:36] <ahoneybun> I'm so happy the music app can play in the background(?)
[22:37] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, it can at the moment, due to a lifecycle exception, but we are working on background-playlists support with the media-hub guys as we speak
[22:37] <ahoneybun> the lifecycle thing is REALLY annoying
[22:37] <ahoneybun> but there as been/is a thread about it
[22:37] <ahoneybun> *has been
[22:38] <ahayzen> i think it is a important part of the platform, and makes us unique, if we can get it right then we will have the best battery life possible
[22:38] <ahayzen> we just need some more platform services for some things
[22:39] <ahoneybun> email? lol
[22:39] <ahayzen> what about it?
[22:39] <ahoneybun> it don't notifications
[22:39] <ahoneybun> *get
[22:39] <ahayzen> gmail has push notification support now, and the rest can use account-polld
[22:40] <ahayzen> (they are working on account-polld support for dekko IIRC?)
[22:40] <ahoneybun> I don't like that webapps get that but Dekko a native app doesn't
[22:40] <JanC> ahoneybun: even the calendar doesn't do notifications
[22:40] <JanC> or did that change recently?
[22:40] <ahayzen> ..i thought calendar did ?
[22:41] <ahoneybun> mm
[22:41] <ahoneybun> bit sad
[22:41] <JanC> it did some sort of non-persistent homebrew notifications that you would miss 99.99% of the time in the past
[22:42] <popey> ahoneybun: dekko doesn't _yet_
[22:42] <popey> it will
[22:42] <ahayzen> it was/is using the same service as the alarms with clock from my understanding but i'm sure other devs can explain better ;-)
[22:42] <JanC> haven't tested it since the last system & app update
[22:42] <popey> Calendar notifications will move to where the other notifications are, so they'll persist
[22:43] <ahayzen> popey, ooo nice, and will you be able to make them optionally ring like an alarm ?
[22:43] <popey> Maaaaybe :)
[22:43] <ahayzen> ;-)
[22:43] <ahayzen> as long as i can make it be quite in silent mode this time i'll be happy :-)
[22:43] <ahayzen> *quiet
[22:44] <JanC> they "ring" now, once, then disappear  ;-)
[22:45] <ahayzen> all the coreapps are getting really exciting recently :-)
[22:45] <popey> yeah, we're gonna fix that
[22:50] <JanC> also reminds me: I need to check if the other bugs in the Calendar/Agenda app are fixed by now...
[22:53] <JanC> looks like the one bug that makes it unusable is still there...  :-(
[22:58] <JanC> basically, editing calendar events is broken if you don't live in UTC
[22:58] <JanC> which means it's broken for almost everbody
[22:59] <JanC> except developers maybe
[23:04] <ahoneybun> JanC: UTC?
[23:06] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time
[23:06] <ahoneybun> right
[23:06] <ahoneybun> so I'm UTC-4 or so
[23:06] <ahoneybun> New York time
[23:07] <ahayzen> BST, GMT+1, UTC+1, London for me :-)
[23:08] <JanC> right, so try setting a calendar event, then edit it, then wonder why it suddenly is 4 hours off   ;)
[23:08] <popey> JanC: which bug?
[23:09] <JanC> popey: there are several bugs about it, as well as tens of duplicates
[23:09] <JanC> at least last time I checked
[23:09] <popey> bug 1445577
[23:09] <popey> ?
[23:09] <JanC> that looks like one of them
[23:10] <ahoneybun> JanC: yea does not happen in UTC-4
[23:11] <JanC> ahoneybun: that would be interesting
[23:11] <ahoneybun> do I have to make a new event? or edit an existing one?
[23:12] <JanC> ahoneybun: maybe both, dunno
[23:12]  * ahoneybun tests
[23:13] <JanC> ahoneybun: also, I'm not sure if it affects the google calendar backend
[23:13] <JanC> in case you use that
[23:13] <JanC> try creating a new one, then edit it
[23:14] <ahoneybun> opps
[23:14] <ahoneybun> made an event at 5:30pm
[23:14] <ahoneybun> left it alone, then edited something and it moved to 9:30pm
[23:14] <JanC> right
[23:15] <ahoneybun> and I do use google calendar
[23:15] <JanC> well, google calendar has its own bugs like that too  :P
[23:16] <JanC> but I think in this case it's a bug in the app
[23:17] <ahoneybun> the event does not seem to be moving to GC yet
[23:17] <JanC> (does anybody know if Google Calendar can handle summer/winter time switches nowadays?)
[23:23] <JanC> popey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1478271 also
[23:24] <JanC> and the bugs about all-day events moving to prev/next day are probably related too
[23:25]  * popey marks dupe
[23:25] <popey> it's in progress
[23:26] <JanC> e.g. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1438946
[23:26] <JanC> (not tested that one myself right now, but it seems obvious that it's related)
[23:26] <JanC> or might be related
[23:27] <JanC> testing always needed :)


[00:49] <rlameiro> please sign this
[00:49] <rlameiro> http://www.gopetition.com/online/35443.html
[00:49] <rlameiro> we need to stop this madness
[16:49] <desdaja> I'm trying to upgrade a freshly installed Ubuntu 9.10 to Ubuntu Studio with the steps described here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ubuntu%20Studio%20Upgrade%20from%20Ubuntu . Right after the first step I get the following message: Leave the following dependencies unresolved:
[16:49] <desdaja> genpo recommends genpo-organs
[16:49] <desdaja> xjadeo recommends libquicktime-progs | libquicktime-utils
[16:49] <desdaja> Score is -130
[16:49] <desdaja> which consequences will continuing have? Thanks.
[17:06]  * holstein reading desdaja
[17:06] <holstein> hmmm
[17:07] <holstein> looks like you should be OK
[17:07] <holstein> at this poing, i would probably get lucid
[17:07] <holstein> and update to ubuntustudio lucid
[17:07] <holstein> BUT, you should be cool
[17:07] <holstein> AND
[17:07] <holstein> you dont have to get the ubuntustuio-*metapackage*
[17:08] <holstein> you could just install what you want/need
[17:08] <desdaja> okay I'll try continuing and see how it goes, thank you very much holstein :)