[05:36] <AskUbuntu> package development tools | http://askubuntu.com/q/318794
[06:05] <odraencode> Hello
[06:06] <odraencode> Does anybody know how can I add something to the mail notification icon in ubuntu?
[06:19] <Luke_1> odraencode: Are you talking the web api?
[06:19] <odraencode> Luke_1: No, this thing http://i.imgur.com/WwzywtZ.png
[06:19] <odraencode> The mail icon.
[06:20] <odraencode> My mail icon has a gmail icon in it. I thought I could somehow add another site to it.
[07:37] <dholbach> good morning
[07:55] <dpm> good morning all
[07:55] <dpm> good morning dholbach
[07:55] <dholbach> hey dpm
[09:01] <popey> hmm, i need to change the topic
[09:03] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy World Population Day! :-D
[09:04] <popey> hello!
[09:09] <janimo`> Are unity webapps supported in the current touch images?
[09:11] <popey> janimo`: it's not installed by default as far as I can see
[09:11] <janimo`> popey, is there another blessed way to support HTML5 then?
[09:12] <janimo`> The public facing sites advertise this quite prominently and I was wondering if it's something new or unity webapps
[09:13] <popey> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/cg-web-apps
[09:13] <popey> i see plans
[09:14] <janimo`> popey, thanks.
[09:15] <popey> np
[10:55] <om26er> tmoenicke, Hey
[10:56] <om26er> tmoenicke, I have found that the introspection broke with the update to maliit 0.99. it works fine with 0.94
[11:23] <tmoenicke> om26er: dbus?
[12:33] <kempe> so i have a problem setting up Ubuntu SDK, the "run", "start debugging" and "build project buttons in the lower left corner is grayed out. this is not the case in my normal Qt Creator. Anyone know what this is about?
[12:54] <dpm> kempe, have you tried this? -> http://askubuntu.com/questions/259719/qt-quick-ui-templates-missing-from-qt-creators-new-file-or-project-dialog
[12:57] <vl4kn0> Hi, I'm developing an application and put all my files into /opt/ (because of cross-platform compatibility) and I'd like to put  icons there too. Problem is that when setting icon-path I'm only able to specify one icon filename. But then the icon is the  same for ambiance and radiance themes, I'd like to distinguish between dark and light icon theme. How do I do that?
[12:57] <dpm> Mirv, I've got a bunch of Qt 4 packages installed on my 13.04 laptop. I'm not using them, so I'm wondering if you know of an easy way to remove them. Is there a metapackage that I can use to remove them app?
[12:58] <dpm> vl4kn0, can you not specify an absolute path in the icon path?
[12:59] <vl4kn0> dpm: yes I do that, I only specify icon-ubuntu in the icon path and then I can specify icon-theme-path, that's where I specify absolute path to the icon theme (directory where the icons are stored)
[13:00] <Mirv> dpm: libqtcore4 should help, assuming you don't have Qt apps. if just the dev stuff, maybe libqt4-dev would be enough
[13:00] <dpm> vl4kn0, can you paste your .desktop file somewhere? it might be easier to follow if someone can help you
[13:01] <caersith> Can i use the ubuntu-sdk on a vbox ubuntu guest machine? When I ran the code it only shows black screen. Could someone help me?
[13:01] <Mirv> dpm: well of course you have Qt4 apps, not just Qt5, so try the dev package
[13:01] <dpm> Mirv, I'll try that. I only have Qt 5 apps, basically those I've created with the Ubuntu SDK, I'm not using Qt4
[13:01] <Mirv> dpm: apt-get remove libqt4-dev libqt4-dev-bin qt4-dev-tools qt4-qmake
[13:02] <dpm> caersith, unfortunately it seems that it's not possible to do that due to a bug in Qt, let me give you the link to provide some more context
[13:03] <caersith> I see. I'm waiting for the link
[13:03] <dpm> caersith, here you go: https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-32225
[13:03] <Mirv> dpm: trying to remove libqtcore4 removes ubuntu-desktop, since we have accounts/u1/sso using it in default install. but that apt-get remove line above should get a rid of most of the normal development stuff.
[13:03] <caersith> thanks for the link
[13:04] <dpm> np ;)
[13:04] <dpm> obviously, I've been playing too much with the Ubuntu Touch images. I was just prompted to input my password on my laptop and I just typed: "phablet"
[13:05] <popey> hah
[13:05] <dpm> :)
[13:05] <kempe> dpm, Yes that was my first problem that i did not have ubuntu in new project, så i did that and i also aded Desktop-Qt 5.0.2 under build & run -> kit. but it wouldent help
[13:05] <vl4kn0> dpm: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5864850/
[13:07] <dpm> kempe, ah, in that case, if you don't have Ubuntu in your Qt Creator, it's because you're starting the plain Qt Creator without Ubuntu integration. Try to type "ubuntu sdk" in the dash, and click on the Qt Creator icon that has a small embedded Ubuntu icon
[13:09] <dpm> vl4kn0, I see. Hm, unfortunately I don't think I can help, I don't know much about switching themes. If no one on the channel can help right now, you might want to ask on Ask Ubuntu: http://askubuntu.com/questions/ask?tags=application-development
[13:09] <vl4kn0> dpm: that's all right, thanks anyway
[13:10] <dpm> np :)
[13:10] <kempe> dpm, No i'm starting Ubuntu SDK but first after installation i did not have ubuntu category under new project but after following the ask ubuntu answer and added the right qmake that was solved. My problem now is that i cant launch, build or debug
[13:10] <dpm> Mirv, that apt line looks fine. It also wants to remove libsignon-glib-dev signond-dev, but I guess it's fine to delete them
[13:13] <dpm> hm, I'm out of ideas, then. Mirv, do you have any ideas to help kempe to get Qt Creator's run button working? ^^
[13:14] <dpm> yay, the music app just found my music after yesterday's fix was landed!
[13:15] <popey> yeah, i played with it last night
[13:15] <dpm> hm, unfortunately, it won't play the MP3 in there :/
[13:15] <popey> couldn't wait so I did a bzr branch of trunk and built my own packages
[13:16] <popey> it plays here
[13:16] <popey> well, did last night
[13:16]  * dpm looks at command line output
[13:16] <dpm> aha, missing mp3 gstreamer connector
[13:16] <dpm> err *plugin
[13:17] <kempe> dpm, :) thanks anyway
[13:17] <popey> hmm how come?
[13:17] <popey> it plays here with todays image
[13:18] <dpm> that's what I get on my desktop:
[13:18] <dpm> Warning: "No decoder available for type 'audio/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)1, mpegaudioversion=(int)1, layer=(int)3, rate=(int)44100, channels=(int)2, parsed=(boolean)true'."
[13:18] <dpm> Error: "Your GStreamer installation is missing a plug-in."
[13:18] <popey> oh, desktop
[13:18] <popey> works on the device ☻
[13:18] <dpm> the package probably needs an extra dependency to play on the desktop
[13:18]  * dpm tries to find out which one
[13:19] <kaleo> nik90, hey
[13:20] <kaleo> nik90, I don't remember, did you test the toolkit's gradient theme branch by building it yourself or using the packages provided by jenkins in the merge request?
[13:23] <nik90|Mobile> kaleo I tried building it myself
[13:24] <nik90|Mobile> Jenkins package was not available then
[13:26] <kaleo> nik90|Mobile, ok, thanks
[13:26] <Mirv> dpm: I thought it was my Qt 5.1 experiments, but I see it on saucy default Qt as well. qmlscene works externally just fine. I wonder if it's related to last night's qtdeclarative upload, which added documentation and two patches required by the SDK Team
[13:27] <Mirv> dpm: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtdeclarative-opensource-src/+bug/1198830 this bug got fixed
[13:27] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1198830 in qtdeclarative-opensource-src (Ubuntu) "QML Text Component ignores alpha component of color property " [Undecided,Fix released]
[13:28] <Mirv> kaleo: it's possible the backported patches cause problems
[13:28] <kaleo> Mirv, hmmm, unlikely
[13:28] <kaleo> Mirv, what's the issue?
[13:28] <Mirv> kaleo: yeah, so I'd say as well looking at them, I'm just puzzled
[13:29] <dpm> Mirv, I'm not sure I follow. What issue is that bug related to?
[13:29] <Mirv> kaleo: dpm and me are seeing non-working "Run" button in Qt Creator today, even though qmlscene works otherwise fine
[13:29] <Mirv> dpm: something completely unrelated to qmlscene..
[13:29] <dpm> ok
[13:29] <kaleo> Mirv, yeah, that's unrelated to the patches :)
[13:30] <kaleo> Mirv, but it could be related to the upload itself
[13:30] <kaleo> Mirv, or the removal of qmlrunner
[13:30] <kaleo> Mirv, did you ask bzoltan1 and jppiiroinen?
[13:30] <kaleo> Mirv, do you have a bug report?
[13:31] <Mirv> kaleo: well the qmlrunner wasn't installed on desktop for anyone (or hardly on device either). no bug report, dpm just noticed it.
[13:31] <kaleo> dpm, bug repooooooooort :)
[13:32] <Mirv> it might be something completely else as well. as I said, I had Qt 5.1 installed myself today when I noticed the problem.
[13:32] <dpm> kaleo, I would have, but I'm actually not the one experiencing the issue :)
[13:32] <kaleo> dpm, ah yeah, who is it?
[13:33] <Mirv> hmm, hold on a second
[13:33] <kaleo> dpm, you still can :)
[13:33] <Mirv> dpm: I thought it was you :)
[13:33] <kaleo> dpm, (unless you are really not able to reproduce it of course)
[13:33] <dpm> kempe, we think you might have stumbled upon a bug on Qt Creator. Would you mind reporting your issue here? -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qtcreator-plugins/+filebug
[13:33] <Mirv> I'm running Qt 5.1 beta1 now, just a second :D
[13:34] <dpm> I'm not able to reproduce it on my 13.04 system, but I can try on my 13.10 pc
[13:34] <Mirv> dpm: yeah it's saucy or nothing
[13:34] <dpm> looks like the title of a song
[13:34] <Mirv> I "finely" reverted from Qt 5.1 final to Qt 5.1 beta1, which obviously doesn't help much
[13:36] <Mirv> dpm: ok correction, I don't have the problem on normal saucy
[13:37] <Mirv> dpm: so the normal instructions could apply, try resetting QtC configuration
[13:37] <Mirv> dpm: or in this case, check that you aren't using qt5-beta-proper / qt5-staging PPA:s which have Qt 5.1 stuff
[13:37] <Mirv> kaleo: so, no problem after all
[13:44] <dpm> ok, thanks Mirv. Unfortunately, the original reporter is no longer here. In any case, where are the instructions on how to reset the QtC configuration?
[13:44] <dpm> popey, ok, I just needed to install gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3 to get the music app to play music on the desktop
[13:44] <dpm> it works! \m/
[13:45] <popey> yay
[13:46] <dpm> we're on the road to get it installed in the default images, it seems :)
[13:55] <kempe> dpm, yeah of course but as always when i'm trying to report a bug i don't really know what to include.. but i will atleast create on
[13:56] <dpm> kempe, just explaining what you did as in the previous conversation would be really good. Add which Ubuntu version you're using and how you installed the Ubuntu SDK (e.g. with the instructions on developer.ubuntu.com/get-started)
[13:57] <kaleo> nik90, mhall119: the theme name won't be Ubuntu.Components.Themes.AmbianceGradient but Ubuntu.Components.Themes.SuruGradient
[13:58] <dpm> popey, you mentioned you wanted to add instructions to the wiki on how to load music to the device to test the music app. Have you had the chance to look into it?
[13:58] <kaleo> nik90, mhall119: the whole thing is landing tomorrow.
[13:58] <mhall119> kaleo: what else will be different about it?
[13:58] <dpm> awesome!
[13:58] <kaleo> mhall119, nothing
[13:58] <kaleo> mhall119, to follow progress: https://code.launchpad.net/~fboucault/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/background_gradient_api/+merge/174027
[13:58] <mhall119> kaleo: seems overkill to have a whole new theme just to add gradient support
[13:59] <kaleo> mhall119, ah ah
[13:59] <popey> dpm: good point, not yet, will do
[13:59] <kaleo> mhall119, there are a lot of differences
[13:59] <kaleo> mhall119, that's why it took so long
[13:59] <kaleo> mhall119, nearly every color is different
[13:59] <nik90|Mobile> but currently I dont specify anywhere what theme I am using
[13:59] <kaleo> mhall119, and every shadow too
[14:00] <kaleo> nik90|Mobile, you were doing Theme.name = "Ubuntu.Components.Themes.AmbianceGradient"
[14:00] <nik90|Mobile> does it do that automatically though?
[14:00] <nik90|Mobile> since I dont remember adding that code
[14:00] <kaleo> nik90|Mobile, you did
[14:01] <kaleo> nik90|Mobile, I gave it to you
[14:03] <mhall119> kaleo: ah, gotcha
[14:03] <kaleo> mhall119, thankfully the new themes are very very light
[14:04] <kaleo> mhall119, thanks to the new Theme color palette infrastructure developed
[14:04] <kaleo> mhall119, anyway, that was a long piece of work
[14:05] <mhall119> kaleo: will individual apps be able to supply their own theme?
[14:05] <mhall119> and can they sub-class one of ours to do so?
[14:05] <oSoMoN> tmoenicke: /usr/lib/*/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Components/TextField.qml
[14:06] <tmoenicke> oSoMoN: thx
[14:06] <kaleo> mhall119, no, they should not
[14:06] <kaleo> mhall119, any use case you have?
[14:07] <kempe> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qtcreator-plugins/+bug/1200242
[14:07] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1200242 in Ubuntu QtCreator Plugins "Run, debug, build buttons disabled" [Undecided,New]
[14:08] <mhall119> kaleo: not currently, but I recall the Facebook app doing it
[14:08] <kaleo> mhall119, that was bad
[14:08] <kaleo> mhall119, really bad
[14:08] <mhall119> I can imagine other commercial apps wanting to brand their components
[14:08] <kaleo> mhall119, never ever ever do it
[14:08] <kaleo> mhall119, they can
[14:08] <kaleo> mhall119, but we don't recommend it
[14:20] <mhall119> popey: dpm: any hacking so far today?
[14:20] <popey> not that I've seen. ☹
[14:20] <popey> aviral joined earlier and is keen to do some development..
[14:42] <oSoMoN> kaleo: are you looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1199662 ?
[14:42] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1199662 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "New easing causes animations not to reach their target values" [Critical,Confirmed]
[14:44] <oSoMoN> bfiller: will you have some time to test my thumbnails branch, or should I try and find another reviewer?
[14:50] <bfiller> oSoMoN: I can try it
[14:50] <oSoMoN> bfiller: cool, thanks: https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/thumbnails/+merge/173978
[14:53] <kaleo> oSoMoN, yes, right now
[14:53] <kaleo> oSoMoN, I noticed the email only 10 minutes ago, sorry
[14:53] <oSoMoN> kaleo: no worries, but if it can’t easily be fixed today, I’d advise to revert the faulty revision from the UITK
[14:54] <kaleo> oSoMoN, tbh it looks like a bug in Qt
[14:55] <kaleo> oSoMoN, so I don't know yet
[14:55] <oSoMoN> kaleo: yeah I had a very quick look at the changeset in the UITK this morning, and nothing obvious stood out
[14:55] <kaleo> oSoMoN, I looked into the qt bug tracker, nothing related
[14:55] <oSoMoN> kaleo: in any case, a unit test in the UITK would be welcome, to catch this sort of regressions
[14:55] <kaleo> oSoMoN, that does not quite make sense
[14:56] <kaleo> oSoMoN, that would mean writing tests for features of Qt
[14:56] <kaleo> oSoMoN, that would be a lot of tests
[14:56] <kaleo> oSoMoN, thousands
[14:56] <oSoMoN> right
[14:56] <kaleo> oSoMoN, ie. this test belongs to Qt
[14:56] <oSoMoN> indeed
[15:02] <kaleo> oSoMoN, hey, the 4 failures at the bottom of http://paste.ubuntu.com/5862805/
[15:02] <kaleo> oSoMoN, don't seem related, what do you think?
[15:04] <oSoMoN> kaleo: I’m pretty sure they are: the suggestions popover is in the way (because it’s opacity is > 0), so interacting with the open tabs fails
[15:04] <kaleo> oSoMoN, ok
[15:05] <WebbyIT> oSoMoN: about https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-calendar-app/1193090/+merge/170957, addEvent is DataService.addEvent(event); line 144,
[15:06] <WebbyIT> oSoMoN: addEvent function is in DataService.js
[15:08] <oSoMoN> WebbyIT: sure, but when running the app on my desktop I’m not seeing the "Save" button, can you see it?
[15:10] <WebbyIT> oSoMoN: no, but I think is a problem with QQuickGradient: one week ago there was, and I have not change code off Save button
[15:11] <oSoMoN> WebbyIT: ah, right, I’m seeing errors related to the gradient, good point
[15:11] <mhall119> morning WebbyIT
[15:12] <WebbyIT> hi mhall119 :)
[15:18] <kaleo> oSoMoN, https://code.launchpad.net/~fboucault/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/workaround_easing_bug/+merge/174223
[15:21] <oSoMoN> WebbyIT: so if I modify the code to make the save button a direct child of the Column, it re-appears, but clicking it raises errors, can you have a look at the validation code (I’ve commented on it in the MR)
[15:21] <oSoMoN> kaleo: testing
[15:22] <kaleo> oSoMoN, unrelated, I was wondering if you had any plans for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1184969
[15:22] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1184969 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "There is no way to open a URL with the Browser from within an app" [Critical,Confirmed]
[15:23] <WebbyIT> oSoMoN: Yes, I see, sorry for the disorder :-/ I'll fix it asap
[15:23] <oSoMoN> kaleo: this is a duplicate of a bug filed against qtubuntu, let me mark it as such
[15:24] <kaleo> oSoMoN, found it
[15:24] <kaleo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtubuntu/+bug/1186556
[15:24] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1186556 in qtubuntu "Browser does not respond to Qt.openUrlExternally(link)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[15:24] <oSoMoN> yep, that one
[15:25] <oSoMoN> kaleo: how about adding a comment in the code to explain that the animations are not bezier splines because of a bug in Qt?
[15:25] <kaleo> seb128, question, do we have any standard place on the phone that says what is the default browser?
[15:26] <seb128> kaleo, not that I know about
[15:26] <kaleo> oSoMoN, hmm, I'm the only one who is going to want to put a bezier spline there :)
[15:26] <oSoMoN> kaleo: fair enough, ignore my suggestion then :)
[15:26] <kaleo> seb128, anything planned in that regard?
[15:27] <seb128> kaleo, not that I read about, but it's a good question
[15:27] <seb128> mpt, ^ do you know?
[15:27] <kaleo> seb128, ok
[15:27] <kaleo> seb128, we need qtubuntu to implement Qt.openUrlExternally but for that we need to know what browser to launch :)
[15:27] <oSoMoN> kaleo: the standard easing used to be a QEasingCurve::OutQuint before rev 600, and you now made it a QEasingCurve::OutQuad, is that intentional?
[15:27] <kaleo> seb128, cf bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtubuntu/+bug/1186556
[15:27] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1186556 in qtubuntu "Browser does not respond to Qt.openUrlExternally(link)" [Critical,Confirmed]
[15:27] <kaleo> oSoMoN, yes
[15:28] <kaleo> oSoMoN, it's the closest to the bezier curve we had
[15:28] <oSoMoN> kaleo: ok
[15:28] <kaleo> oSoMoN, unfortunately it's not quite the same..
[15:28] <oSoMoN> kaleo: on est bézier…
[15:29] <kaleo> oSoMoN, lol
[15:29] <kaleo> oSoMoN, mdr
[15:29] <seb128> kaleo, what about doing the same thing as on the desktop?
[15:29] <kaleo> seb128, why not
[15:29] <seb128> kaleo, use the default handle for x-scheme-handler/http
[15:29] <seb128> handler*
[15:29] <kaleo> seb128, right but where do we have that information?
[15:29] <kaleo> seb128, I mean, where do we store the default handlers
[15:30] <seb128> kaleo, /usr/share/applications/defaults.list
[15:30] <seb128> well those are for mimetypes
[15:30] <seb128> kaleo, you mean when you change it?
[15:31] <oSoMoN> kaleo, seb128: the desktop file of webbrowser-app has a MimeType entry, fwiw
[15:31] <kaleo> seb128, nice
[15:31] <kaleo> oSoMoN, nice
[15:32] <kaleo> seb128, do you know if there is any lib or anything that accesses  /usr/share/applications/defaults.list ?
[15:32] <oSoMoN> kaleo: approved, feel free to top-approve once CI has run
[15:34] <seb128> kaleo, the fdo spec is http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/mime-actions-spec/ ... let me have a look
[15:35] <kaleo> oSoMoN, thx
[15:35] <kaleo> seb128, thanks, putting that in the bug report
[15:37] <oSoMoN> WebbyIT: could you please also update the commit message of the MR to something more descriptive of what it actually does?
[15:39] <dpm> popey, mhall119 "- Initial click packages for all community core apps have been created and added to Jenkins, next step is to land on the image." <- oh, that's pretty cool, I hadn't noticed that yet
[15:40] <popey> holy hell
[15:40] <dpm> I don't quite understand how we'll be using the PPA from now on, but it's pretty cool
[15:40] <popey> thats quick!
[15:40] <dpm> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg02746.html
[15:41] <kaleo> holy shit
[15:41] <kaleo> dpm, amazing
[15:41] <dpm> yeah :)
[15:44] <kaleo> bfiller, you rock
[15:46] <bfiller> kaleo: what did I do?
[15:46] <kaleo> bfiller, 3G
[15:46] <kaleo> bfiller, and on/off
[15:46] <bfiller> kaleo: just the messenger :) renato and cyphermox deserve the credit
[15:47] <kaleo> renato, cyphermox: bravo
[15:49] <seb128> kaleo, http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtgui/qdesktopservices.html ... seems that does what you want?
[15:50] <kaleo> seb128, well no
[15:51] <kaleo> seb128, this very likely relies on the platform plugin
[15:51] <kaleo> seb128, in our case, qtubuntu
[15:51] <kaleo> seb128, oh, but you are giving me an idea!
[15:51] <kaleo> seb128, the platform plugin on the desktop does the right thing
[15:51] <kaleo> seb128, we can just use that
[15:51] <seb128> right ;-)
[15:51] <kaleo> seb128, or part of that
[15:52] <kaleo> seb128, cause launching apps is done differently
[16:02] <kaleo> seb128, ahah, it uses xdg-open on the desktop
[16:07] <seb128> kaleo, ah, that makes sense ... in any case I think gtk&co copy the fdo code from http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xdg/xdgmime to do the mime parsing work
[16:07] <seb128> kaleo, so if qt doesn't do it for you I guess you should use that in qtubuntu
[16:08] <kaleo> seb128, well, it's not really cool to use a perl script
[16:09] <kaleo> seb128, I put my recommendation in the bug report in the end
[16:10] <seb128> kaleo, right, I don't like xdg-open/don't say it's a good solution, but I'm not surprised it's being used there, most desktop have been doing that
[16:10] <kaleo> seb128, yep
[16:10] <kaleo> seb128, so in essence I think the fix is simple
[16:11] <seb128> kaleo, question for you ... do you have any pointer to documentation/code showing how to display a spinner on screen or something in qml while things are loading?
[16:12] <kaleo> seb128, spinner is the ActivityIndicator
[16:12] <kaleo> seb128, in the toolkit
[16:12] <kaleo> seb128, however, what's your design?
[16:12] <seb128> in fact I've a simple app
[16:12] <seb128> with a
[16:12] <seb128> Text { text: backend.data }
[16:13] <kaleo> (http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-13.10/qml/ui-toolkit/qml-ubuntu-components0-activityindicator.html)
[16:13] <kaleo> seb128, I mean what's the app, what's the design, who's the designer?
[16:13] <seb128> where backend.data is 30Mb or text read from disk and returned in a buffer
[16:13] <seb128> my app hangs while the backend reads/return the datas and those are rendered
[16:13] <seb128> kaleo, I don't have a design for the "what to do while it loads"
[16:14] <kaleo> seb128, get one :)
[16:14] <seb128> kaleo, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AboutThisDevice#Phone
[16:14] <seb128> kaleo, it's the "Software Licenses"
[16:14] <kaleo> seb128, also if you know the progress, you can use a ProgressBar
[16:14] <seb128> which is basically "dump /usr/share/doc/*/copyright"
[16:14] <kaleo> seb128, one clue: nobody is going to read 30Mb of text
[16:14] <kaleo> seb128, so something's wrong :)
[16:15] <seb128> kaleo, yeah, it's legal obligation
[16:15] <seb128> android does the same
[16:15] <seb128> I looked on my phone
[16:15] <kaleo> seb128, they have books of text in one page?
[16:15] <seb128> they have a screen taking 15s to load
[16:15] <kaleo> jesus
[16:15] <seb128> with endless content
[16:15] <kaleo> seb128, I hope you are not blocking the device while doing that
[16:15] <kaleo> seb128, I also hope the rendering of Text {} is done smartly
[16:15] <seb128> kaleo, well, for now I'm not doing anything, I'm working on that, it's not commited yet
[16:16] <kaleo> seb128, :)
[16:16] <seb128> no, atm it's not :p
[16:16] <seb128> I just started
[16:16] <kaleo> seb128, so, you need the designer's input
[16:16] <seb128> I've a dumb cpp function going over the files and filling a buffer
[16:16] <kaleo> seb128, but you have ActivityIndicator and ProgressBar at your disposab
[16:16] <kaleo> disposal
[16:16] <seb128> ok
[16:16] <seb128> I guess I need to do progressive data filing somewhat
[16:17] <seb128> my current approch is file a buffer and return it when done
[16:17] <kaleo> seb128, there are some facilities in Qt for that I think
[16:17] <seb128> but that's not going to work for progressive stuff
[16:17] <kaleo> seb128, can't remember
[16:17] <WebbyIT> oSoMoN: done
[16:17] <seb128> do I need threads?
[16:18] <seb128> kaleo, I'm pondering just doing the stupid stuff, nobody is ever going to be interested in that dialog, it's just there to be compliant with the copyright/licenses
[16:18] <seb128> :p
[16:18] <kaleo> seb128, yes, but you don't want to block nonetheless :)
[16:18] <seb128> kaleo, even android does it in a stupid way
[16:18] <kaleo> seb128, check around http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtcore/qfile.html
[16:18] <kaleo> seb128, if there is nothing that does it progressively then threads are an option
[16:18] <kaleo> seb128, for which you have good facilities in Qt too
[16:19] <seb128> kaleo, ok, thanks
[16:35] <oSoMoN> WebbyIT: well done, approved
[16:36] <WebbyIT> oSoMoN: thank for your patience!
[16:36] <oSoMoN> yw
[16:37] <WebbyIT> oSoMoN: before the merge do you want that I set the default value of endTime to startTime + 1h?
[16:38] <oSoMoN> WebbyIT: nah, that’s ok, let’s do it separately (and get input from design on it)
[16:39] <WebbyIT> oSoMoN: ok, thanks :)
[16:41] <dpm> mhall119, popey, I've just been chatting to vtorvv and he's all set up to help with the music app dogfooding. He's a developer and he's checked out the music app code. I've described a few areas in which he could help and pointed him to you guys and me to ask if he's got any questions
[16:41] <popey> sweet!
[16:42] <popey> welcome vtorvv !
[16:42] <mhall119> dpm: awesome!
[16:46] <vtorvv> popey, hi!
[16:51] <surgemcgee> Any know if the Stock-ticker app is working with the new update. Chart canvas looks normal and the sorting buttons are no clipped?
[16:52] <surgemcgee> With a device, I mean.
[16:53]  * popey checks
[16:53] <mhall119> nik90: ping
[16:54] <dpm> yay, Sudoku Touch is now in the default images!
[16:54] <popey> surgemcgee: http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-07-11-175349.png
[16:54] <popey> mhall119: dpm ^^^ check that out!
[16:54] <nik90|Mobile> mhall119 hi
[16:54] <WebbyIT> mhall119: hi, can you do me a favor? Jenkins failed a continuuos integration, but I have port 8080 blocked. Can you take a screenshot of http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/ubuntu-calendar-app-autolanding/5/ for me? Thanks!
[16:54] <dpm> wohoo!!!
[16:54] <dpm> nice work surgemcgee
[16:55] <mhall119> nik90|Mobile: hey, I was wondering if sometime today you could send me a list of things people can work on for the Clock during tomorrow's Hack Day
[16:55] <mhall119> popey: surgemcgee: nice!  doesn't work on my Nexus7 though :(
[16:55] <surgemcgee> dpm: Hey thanks, the picture tells me exactly what is wrong.
[16:56] <surgemcgee> mhall119 the canvas?
[16:56] <surgemcgee> mhall119: the entire application?
[16:56] <nik90|Mobile> mhall119 sure I actually have something big planned. will send you all the details at the end of the day. would that be okay?
[16:56] <mhall119> surgemcgee: just the chart
[16:57] <mhall119> surgemcgee: I'm updating to see if I'm maybe just a version or so behind
[16:57] <nik90|Mobile> cant send now since I am at work actually
[16:57] <mhall119> nik90|Mobile: that'll do just fine, thanks
[16:57] <nik90|Mobile> perfect
[16:57] <mhall119> nik90|Mobile: anytime today, there's no rush
[16:57] <mhall119> I'll be writing the blog about it tonight
[16:58] <nik90|Mobile> oh yeah I remember the timezone u r in now :)
[16:59] <popey> mhall119: surgemcgee this is what stock ticker looks like on my nexus 7 http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-07-11-175845.png
[17:00] <mhall119> IIRC, rickspencer has issues with the Canvas on the Nexus 7, I wonder if they aren't fixed yet
[17:01] <surgemcgee> mahall: popey if you resizing the subtabs bar by pressing it and moving vertically, does it correct itself?
[17:01] <mhall119> surgemcgee: after upgrading, mine now looks like popey's
[17:02] <mhall119> surgemcgee: it does, yes
[17:02] <surgemcgee> mhall: ok, must need a time delay with the canvas available intitialization
[17:04] <mhall119> man, BBRY has been on a wild ride
[17:07] <WebbyIT> dpm mhall119 popey: can you help me? I don't understand what's the problem with https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-calendar-app/1193090/+merge/170957/comments/390179
[18:32] <AskUbuntu> I want to download Ubuntu 13.04 but I can not to do it | http://askubuntu.com/q/319020
[18:48] <mihahn> Hi
[18:52] <mihahn> So what's going on? You are planning or programming atm? :D
[18:53] <danielholm> its been rather quite, I think. I'm working in the playlist at the moment though
[18:57] <mihahn> okay so how did you tell all the ppl what to do? :)
[18:57] <mihahn> or when did you start? ^^
[18:58] <mihahn> ah just checked it 09-21 UTC
[18:58] <nik90> mhall119, popey: Do you know anyone's nick who is working on the browser app?
[18:58] <mihahn> okay and what's your set up to do all of the stuff required to be done?
[18:59] <mhall119> nik90: I'm not sure who is, ask in #ubuntu-touch
[18:59] <nik90> mhall119: ok
[19:00] <danielholm> mihahn: I dont tell people what to do. If anyone wants to help, the Wiki link is found in MOTD here, and you're welcome to check it out and make sure that the things working to mae Music dogfoodable, actually works.
[19:02] <jono> danielholm, hey
[19:03] <jono> it might be handy to update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/Dogfooding with which features currently work for music player
[19:03] <danielholm> hey Jono
[19:03] <danielholm> Sure!
[19:03] <jono> thanks!
[19:03] <jono> brb
[19:04] <danielholm> For the first item in the list, I need someone to confirm that the music from ~/Music actually gets read.
[19:15] <bfiller> kaleo: please see thread on #ubuntu-touch, need some guidance
[19:46] <Joe_B> Is it possible to test this on the desktop using the nvidia driver? I'm currently getting "libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast..."
[20:09] <kaleo> bfiller, let me see
[20:09] <mhall119> danielholm: my ~/Music gets read on my desktop
[20:09] <mhall119> which takes a *long* time, actually
[20:10] <kaleo> bfiller, can you give me a copy/paste, I was not in the chan
[20:10] <danielholm> lovely. then thats done and working.
[20:10] <danielholm> yeah, it seems to do that from time to time
[20:10] <mhall119> danielholm: it currently drops and re-scans every time I load the app
[20:11] <danielholm> mhall119, yes, that's how it runs corrently for the dogfooding.
[20:11] <mhall119> ok
[20:11] <danielholm> currently*
[20:12] <danielholm> just to be sure that any scanning gets done at all.
[20:12] <jono> danielholm, to run the app, do I just run ./music-app ?
[20:12] <jono> it asks for QML file
[20:13] <danielholm> jono: if you dont have it installed from a package, its better to run qmlscene and use music-app.qml
[20:14] <jono> jono@forge:~/source/music-app$ qmlscene music-app.qml
[20:14] <jono> file:///home/jono/source/music-app/music-app.qml:23 module "org.nemomobile.folderlistmodel" is not installed
[20:14] <jono> danielholm, ^
[20:15] <danielholm> jono: oh. you need qtdeclarative5-nemo-qml-plugin-folderlistmodel
[20:16] <jono> thanks danielholm :-)
[20:16] <danielholm> :)
[20:16] <jono> window has blocked painting, I assume it is scanning ~/Music
[20:16] <danielholm> happy to be of any help
[20:16] <jono> I have a *lot* of music :-)
[20:16] <jono> danielholm, you are doing a great job!
[20:16] <jono> danielholm, the music app is such a core piece of the platform
[20:17] <danielholm> jono: thank you very much. I really appreciate it.
[20:18] <jono> danielholm, do you think you can continue to help get it dogfood ready by the end of the month?
[20:18] <danielholm> jono: absolutely!
[20:18]  * jono high-fives danielholm :-)
[20:19] <danielholm> :)
[20:19] <jono> danielholm, so does this scan of ./Music write a file that it loads or does it do this every time I start the app?
[20:22] <danielholm> jono: it populates a localStorage DB - which basically is a file, I suppose. it was meant to only be populated once, and then only refresh after new tracks, but since the scanning process was rather unstable for some, it now scanns and populates the DB on each run.
[20:23] <jono> danielholm, gotcha
[20:24] <jono> danielholm, well it successfully scanned in 95GB of music :-)
[20:24] <jono> took a while to scan it in, and the UI blocked, but it didn't crash :-)
[20:24] <danielholm> jono: wow. that is very much music! :P
[20:24] <jono> I will file a bug about the UI clocking
[20:25] <jono> blocking
[20:25] <danielholm> jono: great. I'll take a look at it later then
[20:25] <jono> thanks danielholm
[20:25] <jono> https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1200368
[20:25] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1200368 in Ubuntu Music App "UI blocks when scanning in music" [Undecided,New]
[20:27] <danielholm> I much say: this is very much fun. branches and bugs. making something that runs on my phone.
[20:28] <danielholm> one of the items in the list is playing music in the background. How is the "background" defined? I can play music and browse the web, or whatever, at the same time on my device, but is this more like being able to play music while screen off?
[20:31] <number22> i think background is able to listen music while doing *whatever*
[20:31] <danielholm> so, that works then?
[20:31] <danielholm> wouldn't you say?
[20:32] <jono> danielholm, I would say 'background" is while using other apps
[20:32] <jono> I thought that didn't work right now?
[20:32] <jono> danielholm, glad you are having fun :-)
[20:32] <jono> danielholm, your work is so valuable :-)
[20:33] <danielholm> jono: then I suppose I need for someone to confirm this, but it works for me.
[20:33] <jono> danielholm, I believe mhall119 is working to get the app landed on the default image
[20:33] <danielholm> jono: :) that makes me wanting to try even harder.
[20:33] <jono> and then we can test more easily
[20:33] <jono> danielholm, :-)
[20:34] <jono> danielholm, so what are you working on right now in the app?
[20:34] <mhall119> danielholm: yup, as soon as we get the very basics working on devices, we'll propose it for inclusion in the images
[20:35] <danielholm> jono: right now, at this very moment, I'm working on the playlist support. The last weeks I've been working on the scrobble support.
[20:35] <jono> danielholm, awesome
[20:35] <danielholm> mhall119: looking forward to it! :D
[20:35] <jono> so does the current allow me to browse by artist?
[20:36] <jono> mhall119, so I assume "very basics" is the dogfood features?
[20:36] <mhall119> jono: a subset of those features
[20:36] <mhall119> jono: danielholm: "very basics" is making sure that reading from ~/Music works and you can play, which I think popey confirmed for us this morning
[20:36] <danielholm> jono: it [should] shows each artist in your library, but they are not yet clickable or does anything.
[20:37] <popey> i notice the fonts look very different on device
[20:37] <jono> danielholm, ahh cool
[20:37] <jono> danielholm, so I assume the plan is that you can tap an Artist and then see the list of albums by that artist
[20:37] <jono> and then tap an album and see the list of songs?
[20:37] <danielholm> mhall119: exactly
[20:38] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-07-10-230704.png
[20:38] <popey> compared to https://plus.google.com/u/0/104229542816608041441/posts/TfpJsh8fTsy
[20:38] <danielholm> jono: precisely!
[20:38] <jono> danielholm, I think when we have that, that will make the app mostly dogfoodable
[20:38] <mhall119> popey: do you think the functionality right now is enough for us to add it ot the device images?
[20:38] <jono> then I can browse my collection an dplay
[20:39] <popey> mhall119: not quite, almost
[20:39] <mhall119> popey: what's left?
[20:39] <danielholm> jono: great. I'm glad to hear.
[20:39] <jono> :-)
[20:39] <popey> the artist/album views don't seem to work as intended
[20:39] <jono> danielholm, so I assume you will probably look at that after the playlist support?
[20:40] <danielholm> popey: I have that issue as well. and a bug is filed. But I dont yet know why
[20:42] <danielholm> popey: no, unfortunatly not yet. I hope that Victor will help me some with that since I'm having some difficulty with that part of the code.
[20:43] <Aviral_> need some help anyone interested?/
[20:43] <popey> Aviral_: ask away.. ☻
[20:45] <Aviral_> i was watching the animal-farm app then i added two more animals and header as animal-farm
[20:45] <Aviral_> the problem i am facing is the grid is of fixed size
[20:46] <Aviral_> i want a scroll option so that if i add more animals i can just scrool down and see other animals
[20:46] <Aviral_> if at this position i add more animals the size of animals picture is decreasing
[20:50] <popey> oooh that sounds hard ☻
[20:50] <popey> a dynamically resizing display?
[20:51] <Aviral_> no just kind of a list like in u reader
[20:51] <Aviral_> dynamically resizing is a big task
[20:52] <Aviral_> i just want is if one adds 100 animals
[20:52] <Aviral_> the size remains same of each animal user just scroll down and watch the animals
[20:53] <mhall119> Aviral_: you'll need to put them in a Flickable, that will give you scrolling I believe
[20:53] <Aviral_> let me try it :)
[20:54] <mhall119> and change the height (or width) to not be based on screen height (or width)
[20:54] <mhall119> I assume you'll want width based on screen width, but make height a fixed size (or the same as width) and allow scrolling if there's more than fits on screen
[20:55] <mhall119> but, even better, would be to use ConditionalLayouts so that on tablets like the Nexus 10 you have more columns too
[20:56] <mhall119> several ways to approach it
[20:57] <number22> got a question, is there anyone who uses playlist, i've never used them in my life
[21:02] <mhall119> I have
[21:04] <mhall119> balloons: can you give me a hand with http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/ubuntu-calendar-app-autolanding/5/console ?
[21:04] <mhall119> I'm not sure where to find what actually failed
[21:06] <Joe_B> Is it possible to test ubuntu touch apps on the desktop using the nvidia driver? I'm currently getting "libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast..."
[21:07] <mhall119> Joe_B: you should be able to, just run them with qmlscene
[21:08] <Joe_B> @mhall119, so the launch command for music would be "qmlscene /usr/share/ubuntu-music-app/music-app.qml"?
[21:09] <Joe_B> I'm getting a bunch of "QOpenGLShaderProgram::uniformLocation( shapeTexture ): shader program is not linked" and similar.
[21:09] <Joe_B> And no output in the window.
[21:09] <mhall119> Joe_B: if it's installed yes
[21:09] <mhall119> Joe_B: do you have the Ubuntu SDK installed?
[21:10] <danielholm> Joe_B: the command is correct if you have it installed. But you can also run "music-app"
[21:11] <Joe_B> I believe so, I have "ubuntu-sdk" installed.
[21:11] <danielholm> Joe_B: and yes, there is a bug filed on that. dont know why that happens yet. doesn't the music window show anything at all?
[21:11] <Joe_B> I'll grab a screenshot.
[21:12] <mhall119> Joe_B: can you join #ubuntu-touch and re-paste your OpenGL error?
[21:13] <Joe_B> Actually, I just upgraded, and it looks like it's at least running something now.
[21:13] <mhall119> ah, ok
[21:14] <mhall119> Joe_B: if you have a lot of songs in your ~/Music/ folder, it could take a while to finish scanning them all and load the app's GUI
[21:15] <Joe_B> Yup, that's what it's doing now, a lot of warnings about tags as well, but nothing worrisome.
[21:23] <danielholm> Joe_B: yeah, there is a lot of debug output on right now.
[21:24] <Joe_B> Got frustrated with that, so I put one file in ~/Music, and let it go at that, it's still not drawing anything.
[21:24] <Joe_B> This time I will get you a screen.
[21:26] <Joe_B> Here's the log: http://www.bylund.us/~jbylund/debug_output.txt
[21:27] <Joe_B> There's not anything to see in the screen, but it's here: http://www.bylund.us/~jbylund/music_app_screen.jpg
[21:27] <danielholm> what version are you running?
[21:29] <Joe_B> 0.3bzr41quantal0
[21:30] <danielholm> hmm. and how did you change the music path?
[21:30] <Joe_B> Well ~/Music was just a symlink for me, so I just deleted the link created a folder and copied one file into there.
[21:30] <danielholm> ah
[21:31] <danielholm> could you please file a bug and attach the logs you shared here?
[21:31]  * jono listens to music with music-app :-)
[21:33] <Joe_B> @ https://launchpad.net/music-app ?
[21:34] <UbuPhillup> Yes
[21:34] <danielholm> thanks!
[21:35] <jono> danielholm, just filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1200393
[21:35] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1200393 in Ubuntu Music App "Shuffling doesn't display the correct song" [Undecided,New]
[21:37] <danielholm> thank you
[21:39] <Joe_B> danielholm, bug filed at https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1200394
[21:39] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1200394 in Ubuntu Music App "OpenGL Isses with NVidia driver desktop" [Undecided,New]
[21:41] <jono> danielholm, I have to say, the app is pretty functional :-)
[21:41] <jono> really nice work so far :-)
[21:41] <jono> when we have the rough edges buffed off as part of the dogfooding, this is going to be a killer app
[21:42] <danielholm> jono: I'm glad to hear! I'll tell Victor ;)
[21:42] <jono> danielholm, :-)
[21:42] <danielholm> I'm convinced it'll be as well
[21:44] <danielholm> no, I'm actually having some issues with the playlist functionality that someone might help me with? I'm having playlists stored in a LocalStorage DB with an ID and a name. I want to show each of these names in a list, but I just get "undefined" back as a result
[21:44] <danielholm> I can post a snippet if anyone is willing to help
[21:48] <jono> mhall119, can you help here?
[21:52] <jono> danielholm, can you add a back skip button
[21:53] <danielholm> on it!
[21:53] <jono> thanks danielholm :-)
[21:53] <jono> just for listening to a cool song again :-)
[21:54] <ayr_ton> I tried to update my coreapps in raring and I saw this: "touch-coreapps : Depends: sudokutouchgame but it is not installable"
[21:56] <cor3ntin> #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:59] <nik90> mhall119: I sent you the email for tomorrow's hackday
[22:00] <jono> mhall119, when you get a sec, can you fix the link for the getting started guide on http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/programming-languages/qml/
[22:00] <jono> it is broken
[22:00] <ayr_ton> cor3ntin, offtopic?
[22:01] <cor3ntin> ayr_ton> mistake, don't mind me :)
[22:04] <danielholm> jono: try out this branch: lp:~danielholm/music-app/back-button
[22:06] <danielholm> My library wont load on my desktop so I cant see what it does to the rest yet. like progress
[22:11] <popey> 22:54:56 < ayr_ton> I tried to update my coreapps in raring and I saw this: "touch-coreapps : Depends: sudokutouchgame but it is not installable"
[22:11] <popey> fixing that now
[22:12] <ayr_ton> popey, awesome :)
[22:15] <mhall119> jono: the link works for me
[22:16] <mhall119> the external links need to be updated though :(
[22:18] <danielholm> alright, so I resolved the old issue, but does anyone how to delegate an array?
[22:19] <mhall119> popey: while you're in that branch, can you make sure it depends on calendar-app and not ubuntu-calendar-app?
[22:24] <popey> mhall119: will have to make a new version and push again
[22:25] <popey> will do now
[22:25] <popey> mhall119: any others before I push 1.0.8?
[22:32] <popey> mhall119: pushed 1.0.8
[22:34] <ahayzen> Hi, i've been hacking about on the music app and have managed to exponentially reduce the amount of time to load a large set of music files (~1800 in 7s). I've done this by moving the db writes into a single transactions. Not sure how useful this is as the UI still freezes while scanning the dirs but it is much faster at building the database :)
[22:35] <popey> oh nice
[22:35] <popey> mhall119: diverged branches ☹
[22:35] <popey> i forgot to pull first
[22:37] <danielholm> ahayzen: thats awesome
[22:38] <ahayzen> danielholm, the only thing it is missing is any error handling in the db writes, but is that taken into account at the moment any way?
[22:38] <jono> ahayzen, awesome :-)
[22:39] <mhall119> popey: bzr rebase :)
[22:40] <mhall119> ahayzen: wow, do you have that in a bzr branch on Launchpad?  I'd love to try it
[22:40] <ahayzen> I can push up if u want, is very hacky though ;)
[22:40] <mhall119> ahayzen: that's fine
[22:41] <danielholm> ahayzen: I dont think so, no.
[22:41] <popey> i did bzr merge, and it found one conflict...
[22:41] <danielholm> ahayzen: please push it :)
[22:41] <popey> bah
[22:42] <ahayzen> mhall119, where do i push to?
[22:42] <danielholm> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17604688/delegate-an-array-in-qml
[22:43] <ahayzen> mhall119, ah its called music-app .. got it :)
[22:44] <popey> mhall119: think i fixed it ☻
[22:44] <ahayzen> danielholm, https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/music-app/database-write-single-transaction
[22:45] <danielholm> ahayzen: lovely!
[22:45] <popey> sweet! thanks ahayzen
[22:45]  * ahayzen hopes it works
[22:46] <popey> music app hack day success!
[22:46] <ahayzen> woo
[22:46] <ahayzen> and 15mins left :)
[22:46] <popey> hah
[22:46] <danielholm> indeed!
[22:46] <popey> 1 hour 15 if you go by utc ㋛
[22:46] <ahayzen> heh
[22:46] <popey> get back to work!
[22:52] <jono> ahayzen, testing now
[22:52] <jono> I have 95GB music so keen to see how much faster this is
[22:52]  * ahayzen (yn)
[22:52] <ahayzen> blimey
[22:53] <ahayzen> i have 20GB and its loading in ~7-8 secs with a 1651 change count
[22:55] <jono> ahayzen, I started up both branches at the same time
[22:55] <jono> they are both processing now
[22:56] <ahayzen> yeah the UI still freezes :/ but the writing to the DB is very fast...before for me it sat for 60s+ writing to the disk
[22:56] <jono> ahayzen, cool
[22:56] <jono> ahayzen, I filed a bug about the UI freezing
[22:56] <jono> https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1200368
[22:56] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1200368 in Ubuntu Music App "UI blocks when scanning in music" [High,Confirmed]
[22:56] <ahayzen> i tried to figure out how to solve the UI..
[22:57] <ahayzen> yh saw tht, tht was where i started :) but ended up making this change
[22:57] <jono> :-)
[22:57] <jono> I am not sure how QML handles async
[22:57] <ahayzen> looked into WorkerScript to run in background thread but u can't pass Qt objects through :( (or u could before but not anymore :/)
[22:59] <ahayzen> jono, was it any faster? or are they still processing?
[22:59] <jono> ahayzen, still going
[22:59] <ahayzen> at the UI stage?
[22:59] <jono> I am running two clients, so both will be slower, but the difference should be clear
[22:59] <jono> still sucking in ~/Music
[23:00] <ahayzen> did urs take forever to write the DB aswell after the UI has finished?
[23:00] <jono> ahayzen, looks like the DB portion is running now- I see a lot of terminal output
[23:01] <jono> ahayzen, ok, you branch now showing UI
[23:01] <jono> at 4pm my time
[23:01] <ahayzen> awesome ... midnight :)
[23:01] <jono> now the other branch will be running full steam
[23:01] <jono> so it is not a completely fair test
[23:01] <jono> it seems to be still sucking in music and not at the DB write part yet
[23:02] <ahayzen> it finds a file then adds to db then goes to the next...whereas mine finds all the files puts in a buffer then writes them all
[23:02] <jono> now it is complete at 4.02
[23:02] <jono> it is definitely faster :-)
[23:03] <ahayzen> :)
[23:03] <jono> I am sure danielholm will take a look soon and then merge
[23:03] <jono> nice work ahayzen :-)
[23:03] <ahayzen> jono, thx... first thing i've ever done with QML/JS :)
[23:04] <jono> ahayzen, nice :-)
[23:04] <jono> thanks for helping the core apps, we really appreciate the help
[23:04] <jono> to get them dogfoodable this month will be awesome :-)
[23:04] <danielholm> I will! it already looks promising. But its time for bed. take care and good work today
[23:05] <popey> thanks danielholm
[23:07] <jono> night danielholm, thanks!
[23:08] <mhall119> ahayzen: man, that's a *huge* difference
[23:09] <ahayzen> mhall119, thx :)
[23:10] <renato> kaleo, has the dark theme landed?
[23:10] <kaleo> renato, yes
[23:10] <renato> kaleo, any example how to use it?
[23:10] <kaleo> renato, Component.onCompleted: Theme.name = "Ubuntu.Components.Themes.SuruDark"
[23:11] <renato> kaleo, for every component? or just the mainwindow?
[23:11] <kaleo> renato, just the root
[23:11] <renato> kaleo, ok nice
[23:11] <renato> thanks
[23:11] <kaleo> renato, I'm considering doing something a bit better
[23:11] <kaleo> renato, where you create a text file, say suruTheme.ini
[23:11] <ahayzen> mhall119, i've removed the commented code and added code comments for the new code...do i now propose for merge? or are there more steps first?
[23:12] <kaleo> renato, with a value 'light' or 'dark'
[23:12] <kaleo> renato, that would be more future proof maybe
[23:13] <kaleo> renato, let me know how it  works anyway
[23:14] <renato> kaleo, does not looks nice :( : http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/8810/e4n.png
[23:15] <kaleo> renato, ah yes, you need https://code.launchpad.net/~fboucault/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/background_gradient_api/+merge/174027
[23:15] <kaleo> renato, so that the header looks nice
[23:15] <kaleo> renato, also list items highlight still need some design
[23:16] <renato> kaleo, ok I will the old theme for now
[23:16] <kaleo> renato, this MR will land tomorrow
[23:17] <kaleo> renato, so not long to wait
[23:17] <kaleo> renato, there will still be some small glitches in the dark theme, but nothing majorly wrong
[23:17] <renato> kaleo, ok let me try the branch
[23:20] <renato> kaleo, you should put a togle button in the galery example to change the theme :D
[23:20] <kaleo> renato, we have 3 themes, it should be a list :)
[23:21] <kaleo> renato, a ValueSelector for now
[23:21] <kaleo> renato, an OptionSelector when it landsq
[23:21] <kaleo> -
[23:21] <kaleo> -q
[23:21] <kaleo> renato, btw you can change it system wide live, while the gallery is running
[23:21] <kaleo> renato, by editing ~/.config/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/theme.ini
[23:23] <mhall119> ahayzen: I think it's ready to propose it for merging
[23:24] <ahayzen> mhall119, do i propose...and if so how do i set as the reviewer?
[23:24] <renato> kaleo, looks better but : http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/8606/h3e.png
[23:25] <ahayzen> mhall119, i guess danielholm?
[23:27] <mhall119> ahayzen: it should default to the project's team as the reviewer
[23:27] <ahayzen> mhall119, ok i'll try it :)
[23:28] <kaleo> renato, list highlights are a bit ugly, will fix later
[23:28] <kaleo> renato, any other issue?
[23:28] <renato> red text
[23:28] <ahayzen> mhall119, seems to have worked :) thanks
[23:28] <kaleo> renato, that's the highlight color indeed
[23:28] <kaleo> renato, could bit better
[23:28] <kaleo> renato, but apart from that?
[23:29] <kaleo> renato, in the rest of the UI?
[23:29] <mhall119> thank you ahayzen :)
[23:29] <renato> kaleo, I will try more tomorrow, I ping you if I find something wrong
[23:30] <kaleo> renato, thanks
[23:30] <kaleo> renato, you will be the first user!
[23:37] <renato> kaleo, any example of visual changes? I would like to change the visual of the ListItem. (font size, icon size)
[23:38] <kaleo> renato, don't
[23:38] <kaleo> renato, it should probably part of the toolkit
[23:38] <kaleo> renato, what's the design you need to implement?
[23:38] <kaleo> renato, what's missing?
[23:38] <renato> kaleo, the list item on contact list has different font size and icon size
[23:39] <kaleo> renato, show me
[23:39] <kaleo> renato, (we always need to check with the designers if the difference between the design of the app and the sdk are meant to be or just a mistake)
[23:39] <kaleo> renato, (a mistake in the design or a mistake in the sdk)


[00:14] <k1l> Sebastien (~hi@freenude/staff/sebastien)  ?
[00:15] <Unit193> k1l: Do a double take on that.
[00:32] <cartwright> ayy
[00:33] <rww> hi
[00:33] <cartwright> I forgot who banned me from #ubuntu-offtopic anyone remember?
[00:34] <cartwright> I just remember why and it's necessary to discuss something relevant
[00:34] <rww> IdleOne
[00:35] <cartwright> where he @ doe?
[00:35] <cartwright> where they @ doe?
[00:35] <k1l> does it really matter or are you just bored again and what to have "some fun" with waisting other peoples lifetime?
[00:35] <cartwright> uh
[00:35] <k1l> *want
[00:35] <cartwright> yeah it does matter
[00:35] <cartwright> it's of severe importance
[00:35] <rww> cartwright: he's Guest62646
[00:36] <cartwright> NickServ (NickServ@services.): Last seen  : (about 0 weeks ago)
[00:36] <Unit193> Eg, not here.
[00:36] <cartwright> not even about A WEEK AGO.
[00:36] <cartwright> oh
[00:36] <k1l> cartwright: here are other #ubuntu-offtopic ops who can look into the issue if its important
[00:36] <rww> 0 weeks ago is usually secret code for "currently logged in"
[00:36] <cartwright> nah it's not so much the issue of me getting banned but the social implications of why he banned me
[00:36] <cartwright> like I'm fine with still being banned
[00:37] <cartwright> and in fact if it's possible I'd like to be rebanned on #ubuntu too
[00:37] <rww> you were banned two years ago.  You knew you were actively quieted. You chose to talk in the channel anyway.
[05:17] <Sebastien> take a chill pill
[05:17] <Sebastien> to be 100% honest, i forgot for a few minutes while having an issue and asked a question
[05:18] <Sebastien> the new cloak was not to evade shit
[05:18] <Sebastien> like i have time to waste with people crying for big words
[05:18] <Sebastien> yall grown ups right?
[05:18] <rww> "crying for big words" means what?
[05:18] <Sebastien> i dropped a fbomb
[05:19] <Sebastien> and got muted for it
[05:19] <Sebastien> read up or i can paste again if needed
[05:19] <rww> Yep. The channel rules in our entrymsg and the topic specifically say not to do that.
[05:19] <Sebastien> a fuse has so much lenght
[05:19] <rww> If you're not able to abide by #ubuntu's rules, don't go in #ubuntu.
[07:23] <[Mew2]> this is what i asked
[07:24] <Ben64> supporting you is quite a monumental amount of effort, you seem to oppose anyone who tries, and then get an attitude when someone asks you a question about your motives
[07:24] <[Mew2]> i asked how to define priveldges and you go on a personal attack?
[07:25] <Ben64> i'm asking what you're trying to accomplish by "defining privileges on a user"
[07:25] <Ben64> because that doesn't make sense
[07:25] <[Mew2]> it makes complete sense, a user can be root or non root, i want to know how to manages my users priveledges...
[07:25] <Ben64> so instead of trying to solve what you think is the problem, i'm trying to get you to explain the actual issue
[07:25] <[Mew2]> there is no issue
[07:25] <[Mew2]> i am learning
[07:26] <Ben64> right, so explain what you want
[07:26] <[Mew2]> """"and how do i define the priveldges for that user?""""
[07:26] <Ben64> explain what you want
[07:26] <[Mew2]> ok maybe i am not making sense
[07:26] <[Mew2]> that command you gave me
[07:26] <[Mew2]> sudo adduser ...
[07:26] <[Mew2]> is this user root or not root
[07:26] <Ben64> not root
[07:26] <[Mew2]> ok
[07:27] <[Mew2]> how do i change it to root or vice versa
[07:27] <Ben64> only root is root
[07:27] <[Mew2]> that is what im trying to say
[07:27] <[Mew2]> but i dont have a root user on my account
[07:27] <[Mew2]> i only have user ubuntu
[07:27] <Ben64> root is disabled by default
[07:27] <Ben64> it's not wise to use, and definitely not wise to open up to the internet
[07:28] <[Mew2]> so how do i add user "xyz" with the same priveledges that "root" would have
[07:28] <Ben64> you don't
[07:28] <[Mew2]> of course this is not something i would open to the internet
[07:28] <[Mew2]> i am going to test this on a virtual machine
[07:28] <Ben64> you've been talking about using ftp to write to anywhere as root
[07:29] <[Mew2]> ive talked about at least a dozen topics in the past week
[07:29] <[Mew2]> as i said
[07:29] <[Mew2]> im learning
[07:31] <[Mew2]> so
[07:32] <[Mew2]> can i get an appology for the witch hunt that you are on?
[07:32] <Ben64> no, but you should be less combative when someone asks you a fairly simple question about your goals
[07:32] <[Mew2]> i bare understand what you guys ask/tell me
[07:32] <[Mew2]> and then ten people jump at me
[07:32] <Ben64> then ask for an explanation for anything you don't understand
[07:33] <[Mew2]> and people start making remarks against me for being a newb
[07:33] <Ben64> nobody has said that to you at all
[07:34] <[Mew2]> some guy told me to move evrythign to the home directory earlier?
[07:34] <[Mew2]> i didnt even know this was bad avice untill you guys said it
[07:36] <Ben64> nobody is out to get you, you just need to accept advice
[07:37] <[Mew2]> i do, and thats how i got to where i am today, more knowledgeable then a week ago
[07:38] <[Mew2]> but i am asking how to change user priveledges
[07:38] <[Mew2]> and you keep askign why
[07:38] <[Mew2]> im just trying to learn
[07:38] <Ben64> i asked what you're trying to accomplish by doing that
[07:39] <[Mew2]> well i said "learning" but you didnt accept that, so lets try "managing users"?
[07:39] <Flannel> Hi folks.  I see that the two of you seem to have some issue with each other.
[07:39] <Ben64> no but you did answer my question in here, <[Mew2]> how do i change it to root or vice versa
[07:39] <Ben64> which i told you is not possible
[07:40] <Flannel> Give me a minute to read a whole bunch of scrollback.  In the mean time, please stop poking each other with sticks (even if that means not talking at all).  Thanks.
[07:40] <[Mew2]> i am not trying to change the added user to the username root
[07:40] <Ben64> yes i understand that, but only root has root permissions
[07:40] <[Mew2]> i am trying to change the priveledges of the added user
[07:40] <Flannel> Ben64, [Mew2]: Hi.  Please stop talking for the moment.
[07:40] <Ben64> you can't do that, which is why the question doesn't really make sense, which is why i asked for clarification on your goals
[07:40] <Flannel> Ben64, [Mew2]: Hi.  Please stop talking for the moment.
[07:41] <[Mew2]> i dont get how it "doesnt make sense tho"
[07:41] <Flannel> Ben64, [Mew2]: Hi.  Please stop talking for the moment.
[07:41] <[Mew2]> sorry
[07:41] <Flannel> Thanks :)
[07:46] <Flannel> Alright.  I think I'm more or less caught up.
[07:47] <Flannel> So, what's the issue here?  not the technical question, but why are you each here?
[07:47] <[Mew2]> Ben64 is here to get me "slapped"
[07:47] <[Mew2]> i am here to defend my self
[07:48] <Flannel> [Mew2]: I'd rather have Ben64 answer for himself.  And I imagine I'll end up talking to each of you separately (I just don't know which order/what I'm talking about, etc).  What are you here to defend yourself from?


[05:10] <royx117> where is pavel bhai ?
[17:19] <pavlushka> hey zaki , welcome!
[17:19] <zaki> thanks :)
[17:19] <pavlushka> zaki: long time!, got your CCNA?
[17:20] <zaki> he he
[17:20] <zaki> done
[17:20] <zaki> waiting for vendor exam
[17:20] <zaki> next month
[17:21] <zaki> in sha Allah
[17:21] <zaki> how about you?
[17:21] <pavlushka> zaki: I am not waiting for the vendors exam, thankfully :P
[17:22] <zaki> :D
[17:24] <pavlushka> zaki: so how are you?
[17:25] <zaki> I'm good. as always :D
[17:26] <pavlushka> zaki: that's great actually :)
[17:27] <pavlushka> zaki: so how long it took all the training session for CCNA?
[17:27] <zaki> around 5 months
[17:29] <zaki> had dinner?
[17:29] <pavlushka> zaki: yep
[17:29] <pavlushka> zaki: you?
[18:31] <pavlushka> wb zaki
[19:23] <zaki> :)
[19:29] <zaki> recently I'm enjoying work on snmp protocol, and various NMS like prtg, solarwinds , dude etc
[19:30] <pavlushka> zaki: good for you
[19:34] <zaki> was trying to figure out how to monitor an online ups through snmp
[19:34] <pavlushka> aha
[19:34] <zaki> :D
[19:35] <zaki> that one has only a serial port and a Chinese manual
[19:36] <zaki> SNMP*
[19:36] <zaki> http://tandem.ck.ua/ups_mtm-eng.php
[19:36] <u-la-la> [ Tandem - Electronics ] - http://tandem.ck.ua
[19:39] <pavlushka> zaki: that site looks like russian or something and the engnr looks like Indian
[19:40] <zaki> may be he/his company developed that device.
[19:40] <zaki> Russian I think
[20:20] <pavlushka> night night
[20:21] <zaki> good night :)


[00:01] <blahdeblah> amurray: At least you made it happen. :-)  I would love to hear more interviews like those.
[00:08] <amurray> nah, seth and john did all the work to make it happen - I just asked :) - likewise, these are my favourite episodes to put together (ie. ones where I get to hear others talking rather than just me)
[19:03] <sarnold> thanks blahdeblah :D


[15:58] <erick_> Hi,
[15:58] <Kimryd> ohaioh
[15:59] <erick_> I have been looking for Linux Sound Enhancement for the longest time.
[15:59] <erick_> And I found this SoundPim -> http://soundpimp.com/guidelines/computer-audio-enhancer-linux/
[16:00] <erick_> I wonder if anyone has ever used ones similar.
[16:02] <erick_> I also use Pulse Audio Equalizer, but it is not the best.
[16:02] <Kimryd> Why are you using this?
[16:02] <Kimryd> The Soundpimp thing is doing more than EQ
[16:03] <OvenWerks> erick_: what does that SW do? Their web page doesn't seem too say so much... seems to just mangle left and right audio by adding subtracting bits of audio.
[16:03] <OvenWerks> It assumes a particular for of recording that does not really get used that much.
[16:04] <OvenWerks> *particular type
[16:04] <erick_> Pulse Audio Eqaulizer was the only thing I could find.
[16:04] <Kimryd> Looks like it oversamples too
[16:04] <Kimryd> At least that bold at the top says that too
[16:04] <OvenWerks> eq almost always uses over sample.
[16:04] <Kimryd> to me*
[16:04] <Kimryd> Yes but are you needlessly oversampling it to 192?
[16:04] <Kimryd> I doubt it
[16:05] <Kimryd> Source on EQs oversampling?
[16:05] <OvenWerks> using an output of 48k is probably optimal
[16:05] <Kimryd> oversampling to 48 from 44.1 is useless
[16:06] <Kimryd> If your source is 44.1 it will stay that way
[16:06] <Kimryd> Just like you can't convert an mp3 to flac and get higher quality
[16:06] <OvenWerks> oversampleing suring DSP is quite common, but the output is then presented as low
[16:06] <erick_> Back in Windows day, this DFX sound enhancer, was what I used to make sound pretty http://www.fxsound.com/
[16:06] <Kimryd> I know, but it's an option
[16:06] <zequence> sirriffsalot_: You're from Norway?
[16:06] <OvenWerks> yes, but the source would rarely be 44.1 any more.
[16:06] <erick_> I want to find something similar in Linux :)
[16:07] <zequence> sirriffsalot_: Just listening to the link you posted earlier
[16:07] <zequence> (well, yesterday)
[16:07] <Kimryd> Yes it would, if you pass 44.1 through and EQ, even if the EQ oversamples, your source is still 44.1 quality
[16:07] <Kimryd> It will come out as 48 or whatnot, but still have everything the 44.1 did and nothing more
[16:08] <erick_> I heard you.
[16:08] <Kimryd> Not talking to you
[16:08] <OvenWerks> most soundcards have analog circuitry that deals with 48k best. The only place 44.1 is standard is on CDs which are dying out. Video is 48k, broadcast is 48 k
[16:08] <erick_> Oh
[16:09] <OvenWerks> I think music made for Itunes is 48k
[16:09] <Kimryd> Doubt it
[16:09] <Kimryd> Soundcards run at 44.1 by default
[16:09] <OvenWerks> no
[16:09] <Kimryd> Yes, they do, just open your on board settings and look
[16:09] <OvenWerks> The HDA/AC97 buss is 48k
[16:10] <OvenWerks> Ubuntu has changed things from the devs default to 44.1 so what?
[16:10] <Kimryd> It's still besides the point, okay so it's 48. That doesn't address that oversampling will not increase the specctrum of a recording because it is already recorded
[16:10] <OvenWerks> There are a number of audio interfaces that are 48k only... like a lot of laptop mics for example.
[16:10] <Kimryd> I know
[16:11] <OvenWerks> That much is correct.
[16:11] <erick_> I see.
[16:11] <OvenWerks> skype and opus (html5 audio standard also put 48k out)
[16:12] <erick_> May I ask if we have any sound enhancer in linux?
[16:12] <Kimryd> I myself do everything in 48, my interface can go up to 192 but that's really, really overkill for a lot of things
[16:12] <erick_> I want to make my OS sound prettier.
[16:12] <Kimryd> Define prettier?
[16:12] <OvenWerks> prettier is as always, in the ear of the beholder.
[16:13] <erick_> Youtube, skype, vlc and many software should sound better.
[16:13] <Kimryd> Then tell them to upload better quality recordings
[16:13] <OvenWerks> better?
[16:14] <OvenWerks> Use/demand flac files.
[16:14] <erick_> Yes, when I was using Windows, this would help http://www.fxsound.com/
[16:14] <Kimryd> You can increase your sample rate but look at the entire conversation we just had to see why that would have very little effect
[16:14] <Kimryd> VLC has an EQ
[16:14] <Kimryd> and more
[16:14] <OvenWerks> most people feel something "sounds better" just by inceasing the level 3 dB (or even less)
[16:15] <erick_> I tried using VLC EQ, and it only helps a bit.
[16:15] <OvenWerks> erick_: so you are effectively saying that who got paid $20k plus per song to master it doesn't know what good sound is?
[16:15] <Kimryd> You need to understand that you can't magically make things sound  "better" but what I see as better in my mind is probably not what you do
[16:16] <Kimryd> ahaha it's really not that simple
[16:16] <Kimryd> So what they were paid that, what format are you listening to? 192 kbps mp3?
[16:16] <Kimryd> What are you listening with?
[16:16] <Kimryd> What is your soundcard
[16:16] <OvenWerks> yes :)
[16:16] <Kimryd> How good are your ears
[16:16] <Kimryd> etc
[16:16] <OvenWerks> That is exactly the point
[16:17] <erick_> I got what you said, but sometime enhance the sound a little bit is better.
[16:18] <erick_> Let's say youtube video, for example. Let's the software enhance it a little bit.
[16:18] <OvenWerks> The list of linux VSTs, LADSPA, LV2 plugins is long. almost all of them change (I hesitate to use the word enhance) the audio.
[16:19] <erick_> Or even skype, with sound enhancer, it should sound better.
[16:19] <OvenWerks> "enhance" means something different for each and every track.
[16:19] <Kimryd> Indeed enhance is very vague and if you were to just, I don't know, put a stereo expander on it, it would probably not be very good
[16:19] <OvenWerks> skype audio is enhanced already
[16:20] <Kimryd> EQ is kind of all you kind do, as everything else will mess with audio more, meaning that your enhancing can easily turn out to be the oppositet
[16:20] <OvenWerks> skype has some of the very best echo cancel in the business
[16:20] <Kimryd> feel?\
[16:20] <erick_> I see.
[16:20] <Kimryd> Using EQ you can compensate for the mediocrity of speakers
[16:21] <Kimryd> And that can do A LOT
[16:21] <OvenWerks> (and room)
[16:21] <erick_> I see.
[16:21] <OvenWerks> good speakers can still do a lot more.
[16:21] <Kimryd> oh boy lol, yeah, You can also spend a bunch of money on treatment for your room but
[16:21] <Kimryd> You're better of just listening with better stuff
[16:21] <OvenWerks> :)
[16:22] <OvenWerks> but youtube is GIGO
[16:22] <erick_> So we don't have good sound enhancer software, then?
[16:22] <OvenWerks> you can't put back what is gone.
[16:22] <erick_> I could only find soundpim.
[16:23] <erick_> How do you listen to youtube video well?
[16:23] <OvenWerks> erick_: you want a package that just does something you don't know that "sounds better", you are not willing to findout what it is that makes things sound better. The tools are all there, but you have to know how to use them.
[16:24] <erick_> I see.
[16:24] <OvenWerks> I listen to youtube with the expectation that the quality is going to be less than good to be able to fit into a live stream bandwidth
[16:25] <OvenWerks> I put on a CD I expect better quality... and I get it.
[16:25] <erick_> Right.
[16:26] <erick_> You can also use VLC to watch youtube video, and using its EQ.
[16:27] <OvenWerks>  I put on a high quality flac and I might do even better, a well done OGG with out bandwidth throttling (or even MP3) will still sound better than youtube.
[16:27] <erick_> I know, but you still need youtube.
[16:28] <OvenWerks> I don't have great speakers, but good enough. (old Peavy network c-700s)
[16:29] <OvenWerks> need? no one "needs" youtube. That is just pure faulse.
[16:29] <erick_> I guess there is no too many sound enhancer in linux, then.
[16:29] <OvenWerks> False even
[16:29] <OvenWerks> You seem to have missed everything I (and others) have said
[16:29] <erick_> I will look some more ....
[16:30] <OvenWerks> There are probably no majic box SW that changes EQ and boosts level and calls itself an enhanser, for linux no.
[16:31] <OvenWerks> but you can do the same thing yourself with the tools that are around.
[16:31] <erick_> Why not though?
[16:31] <erick_> I wish someone wrote them.
[16:32] <erick_> Even game developer would need to adjust sound some time.
[16:42] <zequence> A master of the tools can do wonders with just an EQ and a Comp in the master channel, while a beginner can have all the tools in the world, and it won't help a thing
[16:43] <zequence> Sure, there are some things that a computer can do, by analyzing the sound waves, but it doesn't replace a good ear
[16:43] <zequence> as well as experience
[17:15] <sirriffsalot_> zequence, sorry, yeah I'm from Norway
[17:15] <sirriffsalot_> zequence, why? Is it that obvious? :D
[17:21] <zequence> sirriffsalot_: I saw that from the site. Was familiar, but wasn't sure if it was Danish or Norwegian at first
[17:21] <zequence> I live in Sweden myself (though, I consider myself Finnish by identity)
[17:34] <sirriffsalot_> zequence, tjena :)
[17:35] <zequence> sirriffsalot_: tjena, tjena :)
[17:35] <sirriffsalot_> zequence, you mean by location of birth?
[17:35] <zequence> I'm in Gothenburg, actually, so not so far from Norway
[17:36] <sirriffsalot_> Man.. Gothenburg, so much of the music I like comes from there
[17:36] <zequence> Location and birth is Sweden, but my parents are from Finland. Also, I grew up in an area where maybe 1/4 were from Finland. That was the 80s
[17:37] <zequence> So, I didn't learn my first Swedish words until I was 5, and I only started Swedish school in 4th grade (after having done 3 years in Finnish speaking school)
[17:37] <zequence> Not so well integrated, so to speak
[17:38] <zequence> To be very specific, I would say I'm a "finsk göteborgare"
[17:38] <zequence> sirriffsalot_: Not "At the Gates" I presume?
[17:38] <sirriffsalot_> Hehe, yeah...  Well, for me, being an older generation, In Flames was a sort of At the Gates rip-off
[17:39] <zequence> Kind of pop :)
[17:41] <zequence> Great musicians
[17:41] <zequence> Very nordic too, I suppose
[17:43] <zequence> sirriffsalot_: Is it your music, in the link?
[17:43] <zequence> I suppose all done with ardour?
[17:58] <sirriffsalot_> zequence, of course it is, they even list them as an influence, but damn good stuff, suits my taste well. Not so much these days though. Yeah all that is mine, done in the GNU/Lin homestudio :)
[17:59] <zequence> sirriffsalot_: Coolt. I'm doing some of my own metal recording in GBG right now, on Ubuntu Studio (even though I use Debian on my daily computer). Hope to share that within the year
[18:00] <sirriffsalot_> GBG?
[18:00] <zequence> A friend of mine, who I share the studio with, is doing some At the Gates kind of music. And, the singer in Dark Tranquility is going to add vox to it
[18:00] <zequence> GBG = Gothenburg
[18:01] <zequence> But, my music is not as much At the Gates, I would say
[18:01] <sirriffsalot_> Ah hehe :D Lucky bastard for getting him involved!
[18:01] <sirriffsalot_> zequence, got some demos or something to give a flavour of your stuff?
[18:02] <zequence> sirriffsalot_: NOt really, at this point, sorry. Maybe in a few months
[18:02] <zequence> sirriffsalot_: I could give you something that is absolutely not what I'm doing, a song I did one day, just for the fun of it
[18:03] <zequence> But, it reflects the sound of the studio, somewhat. Not exactly well mixed
[18:03] <zequence> Let's see...
[18:03] <sirriffsalot_> zequence, hit me :)
[18:05] <zequence> sirriffsalot_: https://cloud.mousike.me/index.php/s/bM6ZLRDbPTx0bvm
[18:05] <zequence> Doesn't actually reflect the sound of the studio so well. It's not a good mix at all, but it's a song
[18:06] <zequence> I could pass another couple of links. This is for a doom project, which I've been involved in for may years. Not a song, but a few ideas put together https://cloud.mousike.me/index.php/s/H0L4uNXkukJtBfH
[18:07] <zequence> Also, I did this Meshuggah cover one day. The final mix/master is somehow getting towards the right place, but I had a few problems with the original sounds https://cloud.mousike.me/index.php/s/NvEjaE8k4pMNP7a
[18:08] <zequence> I play all the instruments, also the vox, which I haven't done for maybe 15 years, so I need to warm that up a bit
[18:09] <sirriffsalot_> Wish I had your drum skills :(
[18:10] <zequence> I'm working on the skills still. The most work the past year has been on getting the sound right. Learning how to tune stuff properly, and what materials, and what mics to use
[18:10] <zequence> I only have 8 channels, and not enough cash for more mics anyway, so a simple 2 mic setup on the overhead
[18:11] <sirriffsalot_> zequence, I have to say I'm tempted to jazz up the long notes with my way of riffing things... But you probably heard I do nothing but riff after riff after riff lol :)
[18:11] <sirriffsalot_> zequence, there's something about the snare-recording that's out of place I think
[18:12] <sirriffsalot_> zequence, or just that the pace isn't quick enough for that style of drumming, not sure yet
[18:12] <zequence> sirriffsalot_: It's unevenly played, badly mixed, and who knows what else
[18:13] <sirriffsalot_> zequence, ah yeah, drums need some fine mixing then
[18:13] <sirriffsalot_> zequence, perhaps a little stereo reverb on the final oscillation noise with the guitar before it ends?
[18:13] <zequence> The snare head for the first link is a Remo Ambassador, very highly pitched. I only used it for a couple of weeks. Have a different setup now
[18:14] <zequence> sirriffsalot_: Oh, you're talking fine details now. The first song, I did the whole song and the recording the same day
[18:14] <zequence> ..and the mix
[18:14] <sirriffsalot_> zequence, wish I was that competent in writing songs haha, I take ages... too many ages
[18:15] <zequence> I don't actually do that kind of music normally. If I did, I could do one a day, or more, easily.
[18:15] <sirriffsalot_> zequence, your vocals as well you said? Pretty damn good
[18:15] <zequence> Yeah, but I need to work more on those
[18:16] <zequence> I was surprised from that recording how well it sounded though. So, I'm actually starting to believe I can do the vocals myself, which is very liberating
[18:16] <zequence> In the past, I've always had to depend on a vocalist, and that usually doesn't end well
[18:16] <sirriffsalot_> zequence, is it not kind of an irony that a doom metal project plays The Struggle Is Finally Over...?  Particularly about ranges. But, I'm learning how to use my own charasteristics better now
[18:19] <sirriffsalot_> That's what I'm easing into as well
[18:19] <zequence> So much is in the head
[18:19] <zequence> I used to try to sound like something that was not me at all
[18:19] <sirriffsalot_> Black Soul reminds me of Scar Symmetry
[18:20] <sirriffsalot_> Particularly the Pitch Black Progress album
[18:20] <zequence> Oh, the title is actually wrong. Supposed to be Catch Thirty Five
[18:20] <zequence> That's the Meshuggah cover
[18:20] <zequence> The album Catch Thirty Three
[18:20] <sirriffsalot_> Yeah the sound I meant
[18:20] <zequence> Ok
[18:21] <zequence> That was the first recording I managed to get somewhat good.
[18:21] <zequence> The drumming is painfully uneven. I was tired as hell, while recording that
[18:22] <zequence> I do have a track called Black Soul, a song I wrote about 20 years ago
[18:22] <sirriffsalot_> I have to admit I don't hear inconsistencies in the drums too much
[18:22] <sirriffsalot_> Sounds pretty tight to me
[18:23] <zequence> The tag "Black Soul" was accidentally passed on to the Meshuggah cover
[18:24] <zequence> https://cloud.mousike.me/index.php/s/lEyVRxXajGR4XY3
[18:24] <zequence> Kind of Meshuggah inspired, but believe it or not, this song was created between 1995-1996
[18:25] <zequence> I was going for the same sort of thing they were, inspired by Pantera to a great deal, just as they were
[18:25] <zequence> I don't do 4/4 so much
[18:25] <zequence> So, less square, if you like
[18:26] <zequence> No vocals yet. That was just a test recording
[18:27] <zequence> So far, I've mostly been using ardour and calf plugins
[18:27] <zequence> Haven't really become more familiar with a wider range of plugins yet
[18:27] <zequence> Looking for good reverbs
[18:27] <zequence> Particularly for drums
[18:29] <sirriffsalot_> zequence, that's way above me, I struggle doing sequencing right, as I'm so basic when it comes to drumming haha
[18:30] <sirriffsalot_> zequence, 96? Wtf? Sounds heavy for that time
[18:30] <zequence> A B A B form on the song. A₁ = 3/2 B₁ = 7/4 A₂ = varied B₂ = 7/4. Pretty simple
[18:31] <zequence> We had a band called Unhealth, which was actually going places, until there were some classic internal problems
[18:32] <zequence> We had some success at around -97. Simpler music, so that we could achieve playing the music, basically. But, that ended at about -98. So, no one ever heard of us
[18:32] <zequence> Simpler than Black Soul, that is
[18:33] <zequence> This is one of the old recordings from that period https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kTYmVcWsvE
[18:33] <zequence> With the original singer, and the rest of the band. Recorded on an 8 channel porta, with lousy mics
[18:34] <sirriffsalot_> zequence, classic problems are? :D
[18:34] <zequence> I did all of the music, and the lyrics even. Mostly because no one else was doing it
[18:34] <zequence> Yep
[18:35] <sirriffsalot_> zequence, I only recently got into regular-rehearsal bands, so you're gonna have to tell me hehe
[18:36] <zequence> sirriffsalot_: Phew.  But, that's not the main problem. The main problem is to keep a project alive long enough to finish it somehow
[18:37] <zequence> People tend to want one thing one second, and something else the next second, and if your life doesn't depend on it, it may be hard to motivate people to continue
[18:37] <sirriffsalot_> zequence, yeah I could see that happening already
[18:37] <zequence> Good, efficient organization, with good turnout probably helps
[18:38] <zequence> At the time, we were 18-20, so we had lots to learn
[18:39] <zequence> Not only girls like to have fun, you know
[18:39] <zequence> It's like a konstant in the human genome
[18:39] <zequence> *constant
[18:40] <zequence> sirriffsalot_: I liked how the music you linked to was very freely formed.
[18:41] <zequence> Could it be inspired by lyrics very much?
[18:42] <sirriffsalot_> zequence, yeah, no structure whatsoever lol :) I'll need to be more methodical so I can get the best of both worlds, but Maria Mena does that a lot as she really wants it to be about something instead of a pop-song
[18:42] <zequence> sirriffsalot_:  I like that
[18:42] <sirriffsalot_> zequence, the only way it can be freely formed is without a regular beat mostly, so
[18:43] <sirriffsalot_> Now that I have a drummer with me I have to learn to keep up with her lol
[18:43] <zequence> People are pretty dumb with time. It can either be in 1/2 or 1/3. Else, it's too complicated. Even 5/4 is more like 3/4 + 2/4
[18:44] <sirriffsalot_> zequence, incidentally if you find yourself real bored with nothing to do and feel like drumming, listen to this track and if you like it try to set some proper drums to it, it's been rotting digitally in my machine for ages :P https://www.dropbox.com/s/q42wyh5nm2pp6nw/VMAtilZequence.wav?dl=0
[18:45] <zequence> sirriffsalot_: I might just take you up on that, one GNU brother to the next ;)
[18:45] <sirriffsalot_> zequence, there's a synth-part version in the beginning that I had to leave out, too much work finding the stuff at the moment
[18:45] <sirriffsalot_> Let me know and I'll give you the file without those lame-ass drums pooping away the track haha
[18:47] <zequence> sirriffsalot_: dropbox is probably slower than my bahnhof
[18:47] <sirriffsalot_> zequence, should have .ogged it first, sorry
[18:47] <zequence> sirriffsalot_: No problem. Just fun to top them
[18:48] <zequence> The links I posted are from my living room
[18:48] <sirriffsalot_> zequence, not very hard...
[18:48] <sirriffsalot_> Hehe
[18:49] <zequence> sirriffsalot_: What kind of vision do you have for this track? What kind of emotion, atmosphere are you looking for?
[18:50] <sirriffsalot_> <z
[18:50] <zequence> NOt something metal people usually think a lot of, but it helps me from not doing something random
[18:50] <sirriffsalot_> zequence, ups. I actually made it after seeing the ridiculous bouts of outcries in the VMA-performance of MIley Cyrus lol
[18:50] <sirriffsalot_> The feeling is basically "look at this stupid bullshit", it has lyrics but the vocals are so bad I just muted it haha
[18:50] <zequence> Ok, so it's ok if it's kind of shallow, in an artistic way?
[18:51] <zequence> Reminds me of Zappa somehow
[18:51] <zequence> The attitude you described, that is
[18:52] <sirriffsalot_> zequence, As in "look at this stupid culture-fodder we take seriously"
[18:53] <zequence> sirriffsalot_: Give me the track without drums, if you please. You can send it to my email, if you want -><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:54] <zequence> sirriffsalot_: If you don't hear anything from me within a couple of weeks, please poke, cause it doesn't mean I have forgotten about you
[18:56] <zequence> sirriffsalot_: Is that Pod? It's not 2.0, but perhaps the one or two versions later?
[18:57] <zequence> I use an old Peavy Supreme from 1996, or so, which cost me about 2600kr at the time
[18:57] <zequence> I have a Mesa Boogie, but it's broken, and I don't have the cash to fix it. Not sure it is better though
[18:58] <zequence> I will probably be blending my Peavy with a Pod2.0, or one of the virtual amps, guitarix or rakkarack
[18:59] <sirriffsalot_> zequence, Pod? It's a fender mustang I amp I think, haha
[18:59] <sirriffsalot_> zequence, will send it, sec
[19:00] <zequence> sirriffsalot_: Line 6 Pod. Maybe it's more common here
[19:05] <sirriffsalot_> zequence, never had one, hehe
[19:08] <sirriffsalot_> zequence, and since you're obviously guitar-oriented as well you're welcome to say "hey this could work there or like this" if you have any thoughts like that
[19:21] <zequence> sirriffsalot_: Cool. Then I might even re-cut the whole thing. I will try to to my Zappa thing as well as I can
[19:22] <sirriffsalot_> zequence, can you do one straight version and one cut? If you find the time to do it at all :P
[19:31] <zequence> sirriffsalot: Sure
[19:38] <zequence> sirriffsalot: btw, two reasons to use torrents. 1) faster 2) probably better results bit per bit
[19:38] <zequence> (very old discussion, probably one or two years old)
[19:41] <sirriffsalot> zequence, yeah, I've just been lazy all these years, haha :)
[19:44] <sirriffsalot> zequence, crap could you link me your email again?
[19:47] <zequence> sirriffsalot<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:53] <sirriffsalot> zequence, sent! been a while since I heard that piece actually, haha
[19:54] <sirriffsalot> zequence, I left the chorus vocals in there because it's tolerable and gives a feel for the song as you requested I think
[19:55] <zequence> sirriffsalot: Did you forget to attach it perhaps?
[19:56] <sirriffsalot> zequence, ugh, say it isn't so...
[19:56] <zequence> I'm kind of musical, but would be hard to pull it off just from the written description
[19:56] <zequence> haha
[19:57] <sirriffsalot> Honestly that shit is just the worst... looks so lame on the screen for the person receiving it lol
[19:57] <sirriffsalot> Once I forgot to add the CV to a mail... "Sorry, here it is."-mails are cringe worthy
[19:58] <sirriffsalot> Aa, it was too big a file (wav)
[19:59] <zequence> sirriffsalot: CV -> hehe
[19:59] <zequence> sirriffsalot: Ok, I have fastmail. Don't know what their limit is
[20:02] <sirriffsalot> zequence, aaand SENT
[20:03] <zequence> sirriffsalot: It's pouring in, bit by bit
[20:12] <person> Hieee! When can we expect the glorious new LTS 16?
[20:14] <Unit193> It is due to be released on April 21st.
[20:14] <person> Hurray! Looking forward to it.


[18:11] <Guest15179> Any idea about 2nd point release of 14.04 ?
[18:16] <PaulW2U> Guest15179: Probably best to idle in #ubuntu-release. Looks like flavours are starting to mark their ISOs as being ready for release.
[18:24] <PaulW2U> Guest15179: I said "idle" not "ask" :)
[18:24] <PaulW2U> ISOs are only *starting* to be marked ready.....
[18:26] <Guest15179> :) ha ha.. am a little low on patience


[00:00] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: next week... Ardour new tag 6.7
[00:49] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Yeah, figured, and it's gonna be interesting. I'll have to put it in impish SRU it to hirsute since that one has a git snapshot of 6.7.


[01:58] <highvoltage> #edubuntu is one of those channels where something is always happening *just* when I'm not looking
[14:15] <mgariepy> good morning everyone
[18:41] <Roasted> Hey guys. Has anybody mass deployed Ubuntu in a school district?
[18:57] <pleia2> Roasted: there are a number of projects floating around that are working in public schools (I'm involved with one of them)
[18:57] <Roasted> I guess I was just looking to get into conversation with somebody who had time available, as I'm interested in hearing what avenues other districts have taken for completing certain tasks.
[18:57] <pleia2> Roasted: what country?
[18:57] <Roasted> Like what they use for their file server. linux? samba? nfs? email - zimbra? google email? etc
[18:57] <Roasted> USA
[18:58] <stgraber> Roasted: Revolution Linux did
[18:58] <Roasted> I heard a bit about them
[18:59] <pleia2> much of the infrastructure we use is documented here: https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0Aa7wSBzNDXVYZGZ6Y3hjanJfMmNoYzVjcWNn&hl=en
[18:59] <pleia2> we don't handle email for them though, just their computer lab
[19:00] <Roasted> nice, nice
[19:00] <Roasted> thank you for this
[19:00] <pleia2> welcome :)
[19:02] <pleia2> http://partimus.org/cacs.php has some details about one of our most successful labs
[19:02] <pleia2> (mostly pictures though :))
[19:03] <Roasted> I'm just trying to get a feel for what other areas are doing.
[19:03]  * pleia2 nods
[19:03] <Roasted> XP is dying soon and W7 is too expensive.
[19:03] <Roasted> Couple that with a pathetic economy and budget cuts and you have no option.
[19:03] <pleia2> yeah
[19:03] <Roasted> I've used Ubuntu for years. I love it. I swear by it. But a platform change is a massive undertaking, and to be quite honest, scary.
[19:04] <pleia2> much of our work has been with Charter schools, I'm not involved with the district, it's really hard to get into proper public schools
[19:04] <Roasted> But it's comforting to hear other places have taken the plunge. I was just finding myself a little lonely in the department of kicking the can with other Ubuntu-using districts to hear what's up and what they're seeing.


 I talked to Mauro yesterday, Canonical has it taken care of (re @Rick_Timmis: Councillors please can we fund a ticket, and transport costs for Scarlet so that she can attend LFNW with Valorie (+1 from Rick))
 @sgmoore Canonical has a travel agency, they'll use that to book your tickets
[07:13] <valorie> thank you @tsimonq2 and what the heck are you doing on irc and not sleeping!
[07:13] <valorie> lol


[02:56] <DonkeyHotei> please nominate bug 1247528 for trusty sru
[02:56] <DonkeyHotei> it was fixed in utopic but not in trusty lts
[08:12] <DonkeyHotei> please nominate bug 1247528 for trusty sru; it was fixed in utopic but not in trusty lts
[15:41] <gb_mks> hi, I´m trying to install ubuntu-sdk (in Ubuntu 14.04 & Trisquel 7.0)  but because of this bug in schroot I can work with the sdk. Can anyone help? ->  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/schroot/+bug/1398569


[23:08] <luke-jr> [02:25:49] <luke-jr> FYI clicking on the links in the 22.04 snapshot installer doesn't actually do anything
[23:08] <luke-jr> [02:48:25] <luke-jr> "A bootable device has not been detected." :/
[23:09] <luke-jr> also the x11vnc package still has bugs that have been fixed in x11vnc git for months, maybe over a year now
[23:09] <luke-jr> (installer is Kubuntu's BTW)