[12:00] <Se7h> hoe do i enable SMB support ?
[12:00] <plovs> Se7h: install samba
[12:00] <topyli> djuuss: naah. are you saying you've encountered a good system?
[12:00] <djuuss> i like apt4rpm, but it hase like 2% of the packages in the repos compared to deb apt
[12:00] <|trey|> Fedora and Ubuntu are currently tied for my fav distro on the desktop... Debian has been my primary choice for a server for about 2 years...
[12:00] <plovs> djuuss: did you like it or was it *good enough*
[12:00] <djuuss> topyli: i've encountered yoper on an amd64 box
[12:00] <topyli> hmm.
[12:01] <topyli> i bet it's linux. it must suck just a bit :)
[12:01] <djuuss> plovs: its better then nothing
[12:01] <|trey|> topyli: blah... thats borderline flame bait  :)
[12:01] <plovs> djuuss: right, but it's not etter then debian
[12:01] <imka> is discover1 as good as kudzu?
[12:01] <Se7h> plovs just that?
[12:02] <djuuss> topyli: yes, 1)yoper is suse based and has rpms 2)rpms->small apt repo
[12:02] <|trey|> imka: imo its better.. but its at least as good
[12:02] <topyli> don't take the bait, i'm joking of course :)
[12:02] <djuuss> but its true
[12:02] <plovs> Se7h: and in computer>system config> netfig configure workgroup
[12:02] <djuuss> small apt repo is what keeps me from sticking to yoper
[12:03] <plovs> i tried yoper, it sure was *fast*
[12:03] <|trey|> djuuss: yoper is a custom LFS distro, how is it based on SUSE?
[12:03] <imka> good. i dont have much stuff. cdrom+burner dvdrom, via onboard sound, realtek netcard, pctv tvcard
[12:03] <imka> etc.
[12:03] <djuuss> well at least the xwindow thing
[12:03] <plovs> imka: should all work
[12:03] <|trey|> imka: everything should be detected... even resolution etc is detected  :)
[12:03] <imka> plovs i think so too.
[12:04] <imka> brb. gotta massage my gf :)
[12:04] <djuuss> yoper is good cuz its faster then <insert whatever> and installs in under 10 minutes with kde and OOo and the works
[12:04] <|trey|> djuuss: X, X Window System - these are exceptable, I cringe whenever I see "xwindow" or "xwindows"
[12:05] <|trey|> djuuss: honestly haven't used it, it was a big craze when it first came out, but it never appealed to me  :/
[12:05] <djuuss> |trey|: then cringe, i'm not gonna write "X Window System" if xwindow ays it
[12:05] <Se7h> plovs ok, its working...now, how do gain permission to access the win network ?
[12:05] <Se7h> in fstab for ie
[12:05] <|trey|> djuuss: too hard to just state "X"?
[12:06] <plovs> Se7h: what kind of network, AD or just a windows-box?
[12:06] <djuuss> |trey|: i'm beeing forced to be a mathematician against my will. X is a give input
[12:06] <Se7h> yeah, just winbox
[12:06] <plovs> Se7h: just make an open  share
[12:06] <djuuss> I can't type "X" without giving a range where X can exist :P
[12:07] <riley> how would i run a command when the system starts in ubuntu?  i think this has something to do with rc files, but i don't know what to edit
[12:07] <djuuss> someone told me that bout half an hour ago
[12:07] <|trey|> riley: update-rc.d  <-- type that
[12:07] <djuuss> riley:computer-->desktopsettins-->sessions
[12:07] <|trey|> djuuss: thats when gnome starts, not the system.
[12:07] <Se7h> plovs: You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "Windows Network: sinner".
[12:08] <riley> |trey| and djuuss: thanks, i'll try those
[12:08] <djuuss> |trey|: ive got a feeling thats what he meant :P
[12:08] <plovs> Se7h: are you on a "secure" network?
[12:08] <djuuss> |trey|: cuz its just what i asked and this is what i was looking for
[12:08] <Se7h> realy dont know
[12:08] <|trey|> riley: update-rc.d is the boot process... what djuuss said is just what runs when gnome starts (also possible via just "save session" when you log out...
[12:08] <Se7h> but think not
[12:09] <plovs> Se7h: inside a firewall with no other users?
[12:09] <Se7h> its just the user permissions to access network folders..
[12:09] <|trey|> djuuss: he stated "rc" and "system starts"... this would lead me to believe he means boot process  ;)
[12:09] <plovs> Se7h: rightclick permissions just make it accessible to all
[12:10] <|trey|> Question: how would you edit ACL's from Nautilus?
[12:10] <djuuss> he stated rc as in "someone mentioned rc but i dont know wtf he was on about"
[12:10] <djuuss> i referred to login in to gnome as "boot"
[12:10] <plovs> |trey|: by putting open terminal here in scripts :)
[12:11] <|trey|> plovs: grrrr *cries*
[12:11] <djuuss> whaaaaa
[12:11] <djuuss> i'm browsing in epiphany right now!!!!
[12:11] <|trey|> djuuss: I'm sorry
[12:12] <Se7h> plovs cant...the user hasn't the permission to change it
[12:12] <djuuss> dont be
[12:12] <djuuss> gonna go to *bed*
[12:12] <djuuss> why?
[12:13] <djuuss> i'm off for rome in 5 hours
[12:13] <plovs> Se7h: switch to administrator
[12:13] <djuuss> taking my yoper laptop with me
[12:13] <Se7h> lol
[12:13] <Se7h> dam
[12:13] <Se7h> ur not helping that way
[12:13] <Se7h> what is the path to network ?
[12:14] <plovs> |trey|: after you gave password, you have ?15 minutes
[12:14] <riley> |trey|: so would i create a sh file, place it in init.d, and use update-rc.d?  i googled it but all of the links are confusing...
[12:14] <|trey|> plovs: is it possible to configure that someplace?
[12:15] <|trey|> riley: man update-rc.d  ... it should give an interface to just turn things on and off at boot if I gave ya the right command  :)
[12:15] <plovs> |trey|: man sudo says change it in /etc/sudoers
[12:15] <plovs> Se7h: what path to what network???
[12:15] <|trey|> plovs: heh, I coulda guessed that... I still haven't actually looked at that file  :(
[12:15] <Se7h> plovs in my case: smb://homenet
[12:16] <plovs> |trey|: i like it fine as it is
[12:16] <riley> |trey|: ok thanks
[12:16] <|trey|> plovs: heh... I just like things being predictable... would rather it just be for that session or something...
[12:16] <|trey|> riley: you're welcome  :)
[12:16] <plovs> Se7h: you can put a mount in /et/fstab with passwords etc
[12:17] <luis_> #ubuntu-es
[12:17] <|trey|> riley: to add stuff that isn't already there though, yeah, just create a sh script for it... Debian only utilizes rc2 by default though...
[12:17] <plovs> |trey|: man sudo/sudoers :) it's too long for me to read...
[12:18] <riley> |trey|: ok
[12:18] <|trey|> plovs: heh... but its so much easier if you read it and tell me the answer  8)
[12:18] <djuuss> *offtopic* is there a way to extract all sayings from fortune?
[12:18] <plovs> Se7h: i don't use windows share that often (haven't for months) sorry
[12:18] <|trey|> djuuss: umm, yeah, its in a file... damned if I know where though... dpkg -L fortune
[12:18] <djuuss> great
[12:18] <djuuss> thx
[12:19] <sivang> Has someone tried installing to a 32m low mem machines?
[12:19] <plovs> |trey|: hm, maybe ask djuuss, he sound like a nice guy ...
[12:19] <djuuss> sivang: yes, and failed miserably
[12:19] <MyKq3> when i m trying 2 aptget update i get lots of errors like "Err http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Sources
[12:19] <MyKq3>   Connection failed
[12:19] <MyKq3> " like what should i do ...should i change the mirror address?
[12:19] <|trey|> plovs: but your not?  :'(
[12:19] <djuuss> plovs: ask me what
[12:19] <plovs> sivang: gnome will work rather slow, maybe not worth it
[12:20] <plovs> djuuss: if you are willing to read the man-pages for sudo and fix |trey|'s problem :)
[12:20] <|trey|> sivang: X itself can take that much memory at times  :/
[12:20] <djuuss> i'd be willing to read the bible if it'd help me save |trey|!
[12:20] <djuuss> but whats his problem?:P
[12:20] <plovs> sivang: linux will work just fine, but not graphical
[12:20] <tseng> defendguin: whats up with your debs
[12:21] <plovs> djuuss: he doesn't like reading man-pages
[12:21] <sivang> djuuss : it's intended to be a router machine. However I havn't got past d-i. it enters an endless loop of "Enterting lowmem moade"
[12:21] <sivang> mode
[12:21] <|trey|> djuuss: read man sudo and sudoers and tell me if there is a way to make it ask only once per session  :)
[12:21] <sivang> and both NICs don't work although recognized.
[12:21] <djuuss> |trey|: easy! make a root account, allow it to login thru graphical thingy and log in there.. once per session! :D
[12:21] <sivang> |trey| : you can set up expirey time for it
[12:21] <|trey|> sivang: #debian-boot <-- see if they are any the wiser  :)
[12:22] <djuuss> sivang: there are router-livecd's for that
[12:22] <plovs> sivang: don't use ubuntu, use debian
[12:22] <|trey|> sivang: I'm aware of that, just would rather it be more predictable... :)
[12:22] <djuuss> |trey|:unless thats not what your after
[12:22] <|trey|> djuuss: not at all  :(
[12:22] <tseng> defendguin: they seem to be corrupt
[12:22] <psi> is anyone else experiencing lots of firefox crashes? they seem to be related to links that open in a new window
[12:23] <sivang> |trey| : However I never wanted it to last more then 10 miutes ;-)
[12:23] <plovs> psi: no
[12:23] <|trey|> psi: firefox crashes here when I try to open a new java window  :/
[12:23] <|trey|> sivang: :)
[12:23] <psi> not java related here
[12:23] <djuuss> you can sudo -K every time after you sudo whatever
[12:23] <defendguin> tseng, hmmm not sure
[12:24] <djuuss> to have it ask for the password every time you sudo
[12:24] <|trey|> sivang: in #debian-boot, pay peticular notice to anything joeyh says, he's the d-i dev  :)
[12:24] <psi> it crashes *every* time i open some links
[12:24] <djuuss> which makes it more predictable
[12:24] <|trey|> psi: to open in a new window, its javascript related at least  ;)
[12:24] <|trey|> psi: right click > open in new tab  :)
[12:24] <cybrjackle|lappy> when you build kernels the "debian way" is it simply using: kernel_image ; kernel_headers ; kernel_source ??
[12:24] <|trey|> see if that does the same thing.
[12:25] <|trey|> cybrjackle|lappy: umm... make-kpkg kernel_image maybe  :/
[12:25] <tbw> trey: not necessarily... <a target="_blank"> will open stuff in new windows with no javascript involved
[12:25] <|trey|> haven't done it that way in a while though  :/
[12:25] <cybrjackle|lappy> right, but what about headers or source
[12:25] <djuuss> |trey|: fiddle about with something obscure called "timestamps"
[12:25] <cybrjackle|lappy> i know the kernel_image, but want to build the rest too
[12:25] <djuuss> i'm going to bed
[12:25] <|trey|> tbw: oh, my mistake then  :/
[12:26] <|trey|> djuuss: night
[12:26] <djuuss> tis 00:26 over here
[12:26] <djuuss> have to be on the bus to rome on 06:00
[12:26] <|trey|> 3:26 pm
[12:26] <plovs> 1:26 also off to bed
[12:26] <plovs> night
[12:26] <Python2121> hey guys i have a question, i have a dell d600 laptop
[12:26] <djuuss> rome beeing about 1100 miles from here
[12:26] <|trey|> night
[12:26] <psi> |trey|: hm, yes. this particular link seemed to use javascript:anewwindow()
[12:26] <cybrjackle|lappy> oh and modules
[12:26] <cybrjackle|lappy> modules_install maybe?
[12:27] <Python2121> and for some reason when i try to boot into gnome it wont work, but when i have my usb audigy nx plugged in, it boots into gnome, and the sound card doesn't work
[12:27] <|trey|> psi: ahh... I hate those... can't even open in new tab  :(
[12:27] <psi> no, i noticed that >_<
[12:27] <Python2121> anyone have any ideas?
[12:27] <|trey|> Novells site has lots of em...  :(
[12:27] <imka> is there anything i should pay special attention to during install? ive installed several distros already
[12:27] <psi> |trey|: regular mozilla handles it fine
[12:28] <|trey|> Python2121: I have pleanty, prolly not related to your prob though
[12:28] <Python2121> lol
[12:28] <|trey|> psi: weird
[12:28] <Python2121> all i get is that esound failed to load once i type my user and password into gdm
[12:28] <Python2121> and go to failsafe terminal and type in gnome-session
[12:29] <|trey|> Python2121: try 'apt-get install libesd-alsa0' and restart X
[12:29] <Python2121> ok thanks
[12:29] <Python2121> lemme boot into it
[12:30] <nothing23> newb question, autoconfig didn't set my video correctly, and now gdm loops when I try to drop to a shell, is there a way during boot to not load gdm
[12:31] <|trey|> nothing23: update-rc.d -- turn off gdm there...
[12:31] <nothing23> yeah, I can't get to a shell though, when it boots it goes straight to gdm
[12:31] <nothing23> i am used to just having linux load to a shell and doing startx
[12:32] <|trey|> nothing23: boot with 'failsafe' and do it...
[12:32] <nothing23> great, thanks!
[12:32] <|trey|> nothing23: thats a grub option, not param though...
[12:32] <nothing23> oh yeah, btw, this is PPC
[12:33] <|trey|> failing that... init=1 (I think)
[12:33] <|trey|> nothing23: that should be irrelivant to what I am saying  ;)
[12:33] <|trey|> nothing23: I thought yaboot was the PPC bootloader for linux though?
[12:34] <nothing23> aight, well the only thing is it uses yabooy instead of grub
[12:34] <nothing23> yeah
[12:34] <nothing23> can I pass options in yaboot the same way as grub?
[12:34] <|trey|> Never used it... blah... you know how to boot to a diff runlevel? boot to rl1  :)
[12:35] <tseng> does anyone know if gnome-vfs is built with howl support?
[12:35] <nothing23> not sure, will poke around goodle, and hopefully not be back :)
[12:35] <|trey|> nothing23: ahh, but we're a good bunch  :)
[12:36] <Python2121> hey
[12:36] <Python2121> ok so i did the apt-get install alsa0 thingy
[12:37] <Python2121> and now im in gnome but it only works when i boot gnome from failsafe terminal
[12:38] <Python2121> any ideas?
[12:40] <|trey|> Python2121: why did you even have the sound server start with gnome?
[12:40] <Python2121> i dont know
[12:40] <|trey|> esd is unneeded... apps use gstreamer
[12:40] <Python2121> how do i disable esd
[12:40] <randomnick> hello
[12:40] <|trey|> Python2121: Computer > Desk. Pref. > Sound
[12:41] <|trey|> Python2121: you sure you didn't turn it on?
[12:41] <Python2121> yeah this is a brand new install
[12:41] <Salem> I can't seem to install ubuntu on my old IBM Thinkpad
[12:41] <Python2121> but enable sound server startup is checked
[12:41] <Salem> dies on the base install
[12:41] <|trey|> Python2121: bah, then forget that... guess it is supposed to be working...
[12:41] <Python2121> should i turn it off though?
[12:41] <Salem> it says:
[12:42] <Salem> python depends on python2.3
[12:42] <|trey|> Python2121: never had issues after I installed libesd-alsa0  :/
[12:42] <Salem> but python2.3 is not configured
[12:42] <jl> Salem, how old is old?
[12:42] <Salem> well, it's got a celeron 400Mhz
[12:42] <jl> Salem, my thinkpad t22 works great
[12:42] <Python2121> hmm
[12:42] <|trey|> Salem: dpkg-reconfigure python2.3
[12:42] <Python2121> maybe i shoudl restart
[12:42] <Salem> and 4Gigs of space
[12:42] <nothing23> well, you can send kernel parameters with 'append=' but both failsafe and init=1 aren't working, are there any keystrokes to drop out of gdm?
[12:42] <Salem> |trey|, I'll try that
[12:43] <|trey|> nothing23: ctrl alt f1
[12:43] <tseng> jdub: ping
[12:43] <jl> well.... make sure the bios is totally up to date forst. it helps in my linux experience with ibm laptops
[12:43] <Salem> says: python2.3 is not fully instaled
[12:43] <tseng> jdub: the howl package doesnt seem to install nifd
[12:43] <Salem> installed
[12:43] <Salem> I don't think it's a BIOS problem
[12:44] <|trey|> Salem: apt-get install --reinstall python2.3
[12:44] <Salem> looks like a dependency problem
[12:44] <Salem> l
[12:44] <Salem> k
[12:44] <Salem> apt-get: not found
[12:44] <Salem> :(
[12:44] <randomnick> Hi, I have a question for you guys. I'm from Portugal and I would like to know in what way could I contribute in translations and such issues...
[12:44] <Salem> Makes sense, as the base-install failed
[12:45] <imka> lets install ubuntu :)
[12:45] <|trey|> randomnick: doesn't appear any devs are active right now  :(
[12:46] <Salem> Well... I guess I'll try it again when ubuntu's a bit more mature
[12:46] <Salem> this seems like a boneheaded error
[12:46] <|trey|> Salem: its pleanty capable today, with good media...
[12:46] <Salem> I saw the screenshots, I like the premise
[12:47] <|trey|> Salem: 3 installs here... all ok..
[12:47] <Salem> :( I don't get it
[12:47] <Salem> Are you using 4.3
[12:47] <Salem> ?
[12:47] <|trey|> X? yeah
[12:48] <pyramid> i wonder what the AirForce is doing getting involved with antimatter for mass destruction weapons.
[12:49] <Salem> Seeing as how I can't even make it past a base install, I'll file a bug report and move on to another distro
[12:49] <Salem> Looks like my streak of unsuccessful debian installs is unbroken
[12:49] <Salem> Debian hates me for some reason
[12:49] <pyramid> seems to me that antimatter is a very volatile substance to stockpile for achieving mass destruction
[12:53] <nothing23> aight, I used a gentoo boot cd to get access to the filesystem, what files in /etc to I need to edit to not load gdm
[12:55] <LinuxJones> nothing23, remove the link in /etc/rc2.d that points to gdm
[12:55] <nothing23> cool, thanks LinuxJones
[12:55] <LinuxJones> nothing23, ;)
[12:55] <jgeorgeson> if there are two services in a given runlevel with the same start priority, how is it determined which starts first?
[12:57] <mwilson> jgeorgeson: I belive it's lexicographical.
[12:58] <jgeorgeson> mwilson, hm, i have a laptop that typically only has a pcmcia nic, and i have some stunnel tunnels setup. when i booted, there were no tunnels, and no log errors, so I assumed that stunnel4 started before pcmcia
[12:59] <mwilson> Depends on what starts the NIC up, I suppose.  Most cardbus NICs are controlled by hotplug, not pcmcia-cs.
[12:59] <jgeorgeson> mwilson, hotplug still comes before stunnel4 lexicographically, though
[12:59] <pyramid> i can't imagine why the AirForce wants to achieve mass destruction with antimatter.
[01:00] <mwilson> I wouldn't know if Ubuntu's broken that as well, though.  I just know how Debian does it.
[01:00] <jgeorgeson> heh
[01:01] <pyramid> well i suppose it is because non-believers are in charge of everything and they don't respect the sanctity of life.
[01:01] <mwilson> jgeorgeson: Doesn't mean that the NIC comes up when hotplug loads, either, only that hotplug controls the loading of it.
[01:01] <mwilson> jgeorgeson: the networking initscript is what would matter, I suppose.
[01:02] <mwilson> i.e. hotplug is going to control support for the NIC, but that doesn't mean the interface is up or down.
[01:03] <jgeorgeson> well, whatever the reason, stunnel4 wasn't running when the laptop finished booting, but my interface was up and running, and /var/log/daemon.log had no stunnel errors to explain why it wasn't up
[01:03] <mwilson> Like I said, don't take what I say for gospel about how Ubuntu does things... I've installed it a grand total of once, just to see if it was worth bothering with, and now I'm hanging out.
[01:04] <Se7h> hmmm
[01:04] <jgeorgeson> mwilson, yeah, i was just looking for general pointers
[01:04] <Se7h> i changed the workgroup
[01:04] <jsubl2> mwilson, so what do you think of ubuntu so far
[01:04] <Se7h> but it remains the same
[01:04] <Se7h> does it need a logout ?
[01:04] <pyramid> i can't understand all this preoccupation with antimatter...it takes so much energy to create so little of it.
[01:05] <Serenity^> ok. I actually took down my superbly tuned arch install to play with this ubuntu thing, I'll reserve comment till a few days useage
[01:05] <mwilson> jsubl2: Don't see the point, myself... I find many of Gnome 2.8's design decisions highly annoying, and there's really no other reason to bother with it.
[01:05] <Serenity^> xfce4 :)
[01:06] <jsubl2> mwilson, yeah i can see that  if you are not a gnome fan
[01:06] <pyramid> mwilson, are you referring to the two rows of menus that waste valuable desktop real estate.
[01:06] <mwilson> Gnome's hypocrisy gets annoying, and 2.8 throws it in your face.
[01:07] <joem> mwilson, whats that?
[01:08] <pyramid> mwilson, i have to admit i don't know what to do myself with the extra taskbar or whatever it is...the one at the bottom is enough.
[01:08] <mwilson> As a technical achievement, it's fine, but it's not something I'd ever give to a user.
[01:08] <dieman> heh
[01:08] <dieman> so, like, how many users do you deal with?
[01:08] <tseng> holy crap, its mwilson
[01:08] <mwilson> more than a few, less than a lot
[01:08] <tseng> the ghost of christmas cranky
[01:09] <jsubl2> tseng, exactly what i thought
[01:09] <LinuxJones> lol
[01:09] <cef> tseng: tsk tsk
[01:09] <dieman> ok, as long as its more than you plus one. :)
[01:09] <dieman> fie would be fine
[01:09] <dieman> five
[01:09] <pyramid> mwilson, but anyway it does seem quite usable.
[01:09] <dieman> thats all you really need to know if its decent enough or not.
[01:09] <tseng> jsubl2: youre familiar with his work also?
[01:09] <jsubl2> tseng, yes
[01:10] <tseng> :P
[01:10] <mwilson> tseng: I have opinions.  There's something wrong with that?  I didn't offer them here, they were solicited.
[01:10] <cef> I deal with a lot of users.. they're all dumb, particularly as a collective
[01:10] <tseng> mwilson: openbox is in universe btw
[01:11] <mwilson> tseng: So?
[01:11] <tseng> just thought you might like to know
[01:11] <tseng> i cant stand metacity.
[01:11] <mwilson> If I want openbox, I know how to build it myself.
[01:12] <mwilson> Ubuntu isn't something I'll use, so it's not like I have any great reason to replace metacity.
[01:13] <cef> mwilson: one thing that tends to get swept under the carpet is the number of bugs that've been fixed, both in ubuntu and back in debian.. that at least is a worthy goal
[01:14] <mwilson> cef: I find amazing the things Gnome 2.8 wants to let users do.
[01:15] <jsubl2> mwilson, for example
[01:15] <cef> mwilson: but I'm interested in the reasoning.. the 'why's.. specifics do help, not every last thing though
[01:15] <mwilson> cef: Especially in light of their supposed Joe Sixpack target audience.
[01:15] <cef> mwilson: you mean the whole sudo instead of root approach?
[01:15] <jdub> mwilson: note that the target audience is "everyone".
[01:16] <jdub> cef: sounds like he's talking about gnome, not ubuntu.
[01:16] <cef> heya jdub
[01:16] <mwilson> cef: No, not at all.  I have no problem with Joe Sixpack not knowing the root password for his own box.
[01:16] <pyramid> mwilson, does gnome let you turn the extra taskbar off.
[01:16] <tseng> yay jdub returns.
[01:16] <pyramid> mwilson, and get it off your display
[01:16] <cef> jdub: so where are you? have you hit victoria yet?
[01:16] <mwilson> cef: All he's going to do with it is be destructive.
[01:16] <jdub> cef: flying down this afternoon
[01:16] <jgeorgeson> pyramid, what is it you can't turn off?
[01:17] <cef> jdub: cool.. want to speak first, or later?
[01:17] <pyramid> jgeorgeson, well this gnome seems to have two taskbars....and that really takes up a lot of valuable desktop real estate.
[01:17] <tseng> pyramid: move the stuff you want to the top and remove one then
[01:17] <joem> right click delete panel?
[01:17] <mwilson> cef: Things like allowing users to decide whether desktops get shared or not.  Users don't get to decide whether boxen export things.
[01:17] <Capri> jdub: I've sent you a mail about the translation work. Did you get it?
[01:17] <pyramid> jgeorgeson, is there any way to keep the one on the bottom but eliminate the other that seems to only show what programs are running.
[01:17] <jdub> cef: whichever gives me enough time for talk+questions :)
[01:18] <jdub> Capri: yes, thanks
[01:18] <jgeorgeson> pyramid, you should just be able to righ-click and select Delete this panel
[01:18] <cef> jdub: heh.. ok.. well of course if the other speaker is late, that throws it out the window.. but I'll see what I can do
[01:18] <pyramid> jgeorgeson, ok they refer to it officially as a panel
[01:18] <pyramid> jgeorgeson, so i could just delete it.
[01:18] <jgeorgeson> you can move applets and launchers between panels
[01:18] <jgeorgeson> pyramid, yes
[01:18] <mwilson> cef: Then you have their stated "What, not How" paradigm, and yet Joe Sixpack is handed HAL Device Manager.
[01:19] <jdub> mwilson: that's not a gnome app.
[01:19] <pyramid> jgeorgeson, i don't see any need to have it showing me what programs are running..i could get that info with top
[01:19] <joem> hal device manager is not installed by default as of latest hal release
[01:19] <jdub> mwilson: it's provided (by ubuntu) as a handy tool.
[01:19] <joem> it is a seperate package
[01:20] <pyramid> but the only thing is that there are the 4window desktop buttons on the panel..can i move them to the bottom panel..before i delete the other one.
[01:20] <jdub> pyramid: middle drag it away
[01:21] <jgeorgeson> pyramid, yeah, right-click on whatever applet you want to move, and it should have a menu entry to move
[01:21] <jdub> or you can re-add it
[01:21] <pyramid> jdub, middle drag doesn't seem to do anything here.
[01:21] <joem> you have to unlock the applet first
[01:21] <cef> mwilson: btw: I see all this as valuable input.. wether ubuntu is wrong or not.. I'm not sure.. but I must admit sometimes it's hard to accept that you've made a wrong decision, and even harder to fix it
[01:21] <jgeorgeson> pyramid, ome applets are locked, so you might have to unlock them to get them in the right arranement (again, just right-click)
[01:21] <mwilson> cef: Gnomies are never wrong.  Just ask them.
[01:22] <jdub> mwilson: raise some gnome issues, and i'll give you answers.
[01:22] <cef> mwilson: but as I suspected, it's more the way ubuntu itself works, not gnome per se,
[01:22] <mwilson> You're going to tell me that desktop sharing is an Ubuntu issue, not a Gnome one?
[01:22] <jdub> nup, vino is now included in the gnome desktop release
[01:23] <allybally> hi i am a debian user, considering moving to ubuntu - can anyone tell me whether Ubuntu is using X.org yet or if not, when they (if ever) will move over to it. TIA
[01:23] <jdub> allybally: not yet, next release.
[01:23] <jdub> allybally: see the faq for more
[01:23] <mwilson> Users don't get to make those sorts of calls.
[01:23] <joem> sysadmins can decide to disable it or not
[01:23] <jgeorgeson> allybally, next release should use x.org
[01:23] <joem> average desktop users should be able to share if they want
[01:24] <jdub> mwilson: you'll have to describe what you mean.
[01:24] <LinuxJones> mwilson, what are you talking about ?
[01:24] <pyramid> hey what do you know...the windows moved to the bottom panel.
[01:24] <cef> mwilson: not per se, but it's global setting afaik is enabled by default in ubuntu.,.. not sure if that's the upstream default
[01:24] <pyramid> now i can delete that extra panel
[01:24] <mwilson> It seems rather simple... Joe Sixpack doesn't get to decide what a machine exports.
[01:24] <allybally> jdub: thanks, i see from the website that ubuntu is not the final release yet. Is the first proper release of Ubuntu due to be some time this month?
[01:24] <joem> mwilson, why not?
[01:24] <jdub> mwilson: it's disabled by default, and the user has full control via the configuration dialogue.
[01:24] <jgeorgeson> mwilson, he does when it's his personal machine
[01:25] <joem> who decides it then,,
[01:25] <pyramid> yes it is finally gone...that nuisance...
[01:25] <Mithrandir> allybally: yes.
[01:25] <jdub> allybally: 20th this month
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[01:25] <mwilson> Yes, the *user* has control, not the admin.
[01:25] <allybally> is the current preview release of ubuntu fully upgradeable to the final release via apt-get?
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[01:25] <jdub> mwilson: the admin also has full control via gconf.
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 anyone else using thunderbird on ubuntu ?
[01:25] <pyramid> i am going to reboot the computer and make sure that extra panel is gone forever.
 neighborlee: that's what non-GNU/Linux people call 'make'
 gmake == GNU make on systems where there's a different proprietary make
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[01:25] <mwilson> Now, if there's a way to stop him, other than iptables, then that's different.
[01:25] <jdub> mwilson: those settings can be locked down so the user can't change them.
[01:25] <nasdaq4088> sorry i'm just trying something in irc
[01:26] <LinuxJones> nasdaq4088, spammer :D
[01:26] <jdub> mwilson: no, it can all be done at the gnome level.
[01:26] <Mithrandir> allybally: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/WartyWarthog_2fReleaseSchedule and http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/WartyWarthog_2fReleaseSchedule might be of interest to you.
[01:26] <cef> mwilson: I'm guessing that you'd probably like to see something where there are security zones that users can be given access to only a selected subset of superuser tools, ie: the ones that make sense, for larger rollouts (eg: corporate desktops)?
[01:27] <jgeorgeson> if the command `smbclient -L machine` works, why would browsing the same machine in nautilus via smb://machine tell me i don't have permission?
[01:27] <allybally> is the current preview release of ubuntu fully upgradeable to the final release via apt-get?
[01:27] <mwilson> cef: Not superuser tools, no.  Users don't get those sorts of things.
[01:27] <Mithrandir> allybally: yes
[01:27] <jdub> allybally: yes, that's also answered in the faq. :)
[01:27] <Mithrandir> allybally: and to hoary, and to grumpy and perky.
[01:27] <mwilson> allybally: Even *I've* read the FAQ.
[01:28] <allybally> many thanks jdub etc, I must read the FAQ closer. I have read it (a bit) honest!
[01:28] <mwilson> Although apparently I missed something, if this sort of thing is addressed.
[01:28] <jdub> mwilson: so where's the problem with vino?
[01:28] <jdub> (apart from pulling 100% cpu on an X server without DAMAGE.)
[01:29] <cef> argh.. I gotta go.. I really should be at work.. *grin*
[01:29] <mwilson> I don't know where the problem is with it, that's the point.  Users don't get to make calls about what a machine exports.  I can't make it any plainer than that.  What's next, giving them control of NFS exports?  That's silly, but just as valid.
[01:29] <meekj> Does anyone know the file in Ubuntu to define what modules are loaded at boot?
[01:30] <jdub> mwilson: it's fully configurable by the user and the admin. it can be completely locked down.
[01:30] <jdub> meekj: some in /etc/modules, but most are autodetected
[01:30] <cef> jdub: cya tonight
[01:30] <jdub> later
[01:31] <jgeorgeson> anyone know what's up with rhythmbox not showing titles for mp3 streams?
[01:31] <meekj> Well, the installer loaded asus_acpi on my Dell. And this make the system freeze at times.
[01:31] <mwilson> Anyway, I didn't volunteer my opinions, I was asked.
[01:32] <Mithrandir> meekj: add it to /etc/hotplug/blacklist, then
[01:32] <meekj> At the top of /etc/modules is says to not mod by hand.
[01:32] <LinuxJones> mwilson, thanks for those btw
[01:32] <meekj> ok, thanks.
[01:32] <jdub> mwilson: sure, and they're being answered. some of the things you don't like might not be correct.
[01:32] <allybally> i'm getting a new AMD64 Athlon. Should I use the AMD64 version of Ubuntu or should I just use a 32bit version? I ask because I have heard that a few programs don't yet work on the 64-bit version.
[01:32] <Mithrandir> allybally: oh, which ones?
[01:33] <allybally> Mithrandir: i read in a magazine, but it was referring to Suse and RH distros, just wondered if it affected ubuntu
[01:33] <psr> Hi, I've been checking out Ubuntu, great work!  I have a couple of problems with it though.  First is that the "Configure" menu option in synaptic doesn't seem to work, and stops dpkg-reconfigure from working.  Is this a known bug?
[01:34] <Mithrandir> allybally: I think we have everything working fine -- the amd64 version runs fine on my home desktop, at least.
[01:34] <Mithrandir> allybally: and if you find amd64 bugs, I really want to fix them. :)
[01:35] <mwilson> I wish I could remember where that dialog box mistake was, I'll have to look for it again.
[01:35] <allybally> cheers Mithrandir, I've just clicked to download the 64bit version! - Are you the person to report these issues to then?
[01:35] <mwilson> I wanted to tell someone, and forgot to write it down.
[01:35] <Mithrandir> allybally: use bugzilla, but yes, I'm working on amd64.
[01:35] <allybally> Mithrandir: cool ;)
[01:36] <allybally> Mithrandir: I know this is an odd question, but can you name any other non-live (ie full) distros that are Debian based?
[01:36] <mwilson> It was one of those things where the text says "press OK", but there isn't an OK, only an Accept.
[01:36] <mwilson> allybally: Xandros.
[01:37] <Mithrandir> allybally: skolelinux, xandros, libranet, lindows?
[01:37] <allybally> hmm, don't like Xandros - anyone else have any feelings for it?
[01:37] <steved> allybally: UserLinux
[01:37] <Mithrandir> allybally: also, some speciality distros, like gibraltar are debian based.
[01:38] <allybally> I am really wanting to get my distro choice just right for my new system, and I've only heard great things about ubuntu, but would anyone make any reccomendations over these other distros over Ubuntu?
[01:39] <pyramid> hey what do you know...i rebooted and the extra gnome panel is gone forever...that nuisance...there was no place to put it without interfering in many applications...but it is gone now.
[01:40] <pyramid> hmm ..strange my text is not showing up fully
[01:40] <jgeorgeson> pyramid, i've never understood having two panels like that either
[01:40] <pyramid> well that time it did.
[01:40] <pyramid> jgeorgeson, yes i know...there was no place you could put it without interfering with many many applications
[01:40] <Mithrandir> allybally: I think you ask that question in the wron channel. ;)
[01:41] <Mithrandir> wrong, even.
[01:41] <pyramid> but it is gone now...and i salvages the 4 windows buttons on the bottom taskbar.
[01:41] <smo> I still prefer debian proper for servers .. I think that's about as unbiased as you're gonna find in here   lol
[01:41] <WW_> allybally: Don't overanalyze... there is no perfect distro.  Give /home its own partition, pick a distro (ubuntu seems pretty good), and go for it.
[01:41] <jgeorgeson> allybally, ubuntu and userlinux are the only debian-based, non-live-cd, distros which are packaged around gnome. the rest are kde
[01:42] <WW_> jgeorgeson: I wouldn't say Libranet is packaged around kde.
[01:42] <pyramid> jgeorgeson, well i have real problems with kde here...krita is not finished and konq3.3 isn't worth a flip on the internet.
[01:42] <jgeorgeson> WW_, does the defalut install give you a gnome desktop?
[01:42] <smo> I'm not sure Progeny is either  (altho I don't recall wether it gives any DE any real bias)
[01:42] <jgeorgeson> smo, is progeny still putting out a distro?
[01:43] <jdub> the latest progeny betas ship gnome
[01:43] <WW_> jgeorgeson: The default is IceWM with nautilus for desktop icons.
[01:43] <tseng> jdub: see my ? about howl?
[01:43] <jdub> tseng: nup
[01:43] <jgeorgeson> WW_, neat, thanks for the correction
[01:43] <pyramid> jgeorgeson, i like kde..but it doesn't work for me since i put in 3.3
[01:43] <tseng> jdub: it doesnt appear to install nifd
[01:43] <smo> jgeorgeson: There's alphas of a progeny debian 2 .. it's more a testbed for their componentised linux tho, rather than a targetted distro
[01:43] <LinuxJones> Progeny ported Anaconda Installer but I haven't tried it
[01:44] <pyramid> jgeorgeson, so i am happy with gnome as a backup
[01:44] <jdub> tseng: yeah, i skipped some of the bong bits
[01:44] <jgeorgeson> progeny is based on stable, yes?
[01:44] <tseng> heh
[01:44] <psr> My other problem is that the default settings for the X configuration aren't great for my graphics card.
[01:44] <jdub> tseng: i'll include them later if there's some requirement
[01:44] <jdub> tseng: atm, other tools do a better job
[01:44] <jdub> jgeorgeson: sarge
[01:44] <tseng> jdub: people are telling me it needs to be running for this epittance, so i installed it
[01:45] <jgeorgeson> cool, well, i'm out
[01:45] <pyramid> gnome seems to work for me ...for what i have checked anyway...but i wish gtoaster had a verify option.
[01:45] <psr> I use an old s3 virge, which doesn't have the bandwidth for High resolutions at high colour depths in XFree86.  Theres a thread about the problem here<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:45] <jdub> tseng: it should only require mdnsresponder, unless it only works over local link addresses (which would also be entirely bong)
[01:45] <tseng> hm ok
[01:46] <tseng> i will try w/o
[01:46] <tseng> seems to be still working.
[01:47] <jdub> yeah, mdnsresponder is the important bit
[01:47] <tseng> i blame latexer.
[01:51] <burner> anyone know how if there are plans for a bootsplash?
[01:51] <mwilson> Gods, you can only hope not.
[01:51] <jdub> burner: nup, for hoary, we'll have an entirely user-space graphical boot system.
[01:51] <psr> Hmmm, k, I only came on here because the website said I should before posting to bugzilla.
[01:51] <ForsaKen`> i got ubuntu.. great dist.. i have installed kde (i used apt-get install kde-core), did all the upgrade, dist-upgrade, now i want to install a theme, and in ubuntus kde, i just cant
[01:52] <mwilson> Someone define for me what "user-space graphical boot" means...
[01:52] <ForsaKen`> btw ubuntus kde is 3.2.3, and there is kde 3.3
[01:52] <burner> jdub, know if it'll be upgradeable to that from warty?
[01:52] <jdub> burner: of course. :-)
[01:52] <ForsaKen`> the place in control center, where i supost to be able to switch themes, is just isnt there
[01:53] <jdub> mwilson: part of bootsplash is done in-kernel. our graphical boot display won't be done in the kernel at all.
[01:54] <mwilson> burner: Why?  I've never understood it.  Do you sit there and pound the reset button so you can watch the boot?
[01:54] <jdub> mwilson: it's a small amount of work to have a welcoming boot process.
[01:54] <burner> no... i have a laptop... i take it everywhere with me... there's no hibernate in linux yet (stable) so I reboot often
[01:55] <burner> jdub, no kernel stuff?!?!?!?
[01:55] <jdub> burner: that's not the reason why it's useful, though.
[01:55] <jdub> burner: no. entirely user space.
[01:55] <mwilson> It's not "useful" at all.  It's just eye-candy, then?
[01:56] <jdub> mwilson: it makes the machine less confronting.
[01:56] <burner> how is it entirely userspace?
[01:56] <burner> jdub, know if dhcp will be backgrounded in the new boot process in hoary?
[01:56] <jdub> burner: it's not run in the kernel at all, it's just normal software.
[01:56] <burner> no, i get that
[01:56] <jdub> burner: i don't think we'll change the actual boot process substantially
[01:57] <burner> i've just never heard of an entirely userspace bootsplash
[01:57] <ForsaKen`> i got ubuntu.. great dist.. i have installed kde (i used apt-get install kde-core), did all the upgrade, dist-upgrade, now i want to install a theme, and in ubuntus kde, i just cant. the place in control center, where i supost to be able to switch themes, is just isnt there
[01:57] <jdub> burner: that's what rhgb is on fedora.
[01:57] <jdub> ForsaKen`: don't know; KDE isn't supported
[01:57] <ForsaKen`> =\
[01:57] <burner> :\  dhcp hangs forever for me since I only use wireless and the ipw2100 modules needs to be reloaded after totally booted :\
[01:57] <mwilson> X isn't running, obviously, so doesn't that require FB or something similar?
[01:57] <jdub> ForsaKen`: you might be able to ask on the list
[01:58] <mwilson> Since it's not in kernel-space?
[01:58] <jdub> mwilson: we may use X or FB (rhgb uses X)
[01:58] <burner> ForsaKen`, you just got kde-core... get kde3
[01:58] <ForsaKen`> ok thanks
[01:58] <jdub> burner: why does the module need to be reloaded?
[01:58] <mwilson> Maybe I'm an idiot, but how do you run X if you don't have a kernel yet?
[01:59] <ForsaKen`> hmm thats it, there is only kde-core package, all the athere are just small support things
[01:59] <jdub> mwilson: you *do* have a kernel.
[01:59] <burner> got me... i've alwyas had to do it with ipw2100
[01:59] <ForsaKen`> kdeartwork - themes, styles and more from the official KDE release
[01:59] <burner> rmmod ipw2100; modprobe ipw2100; dhclient eth1 <--always my first command after X loads
[01:59] <ForsaKen`> ill download this :)
[01:59] <mwilson> So you're talking about switching at init time, not at kernel time.
[01:59] <psr> Can any of you even see what I'm typing?
[01:59] <jdub> ForsaKen`: install 'kde'
[01:59] <ForsaKen`> love ubuntu :DDDDDDDd
[02:00] <sean_> psr , I can see you
[02:00] <WW_> Anybody using Evolution Mail? Does Help->Contents or Help->Quick Reference give you anything?  Nothing happens when I try these here.
[02:00] <ForsaKen`> k thanks :)
[02:00] <sean_> WW , works for me
[02:00] <burner> WW_, doesn't work for me either
[02:00] <jdub> WW_: can you file a bug?
[02:00] <jdub> WW_: i reproduced it here
[02:00] <sean_> I just updated from the repositories in the last 30 minutes
[02:01] <LinuxJones> psr, we can see you !!
[02:01] <sean_> It might already be fixed
[02:01] <ForsaKen`> btw if there is some one from israel, or from around here, i have opned a ubuntu 100MBiT mirror in israel: http://ubuntu.sam-hosting.co.il fell free to use :D
[02:01] <sean_> Whats the deal with using the universe repository
[02:01] <jdub> sean_: it's unsupported, but available for use
[02:01] <WW_> jdub: Can and will.  Just wanted to see if I was missing something obvious.
[02:01] <jdub> sean_: it's debian main, built for ubuntu
[02:01] <sean_> will ubuntu prefer its own repositores, or if you pick apply all upgrades if world has a more recent version will it automatically use it
[02:02] <sean_> thanks jdub
[02:02] <psr> sean_ and LinuxJones, thanks.  I just wanted confirmation that my two problems are bugs I should file in bugzilla.
[02:02] <jdub> sean_: universe is an ubuntu repository
[02:02] <sean_> jdub: I know its a ubuntu repository, I just wondered how nice it played with ubuntu main and what the preferences where by default
[02:03] <jdub> sean_: nothing's duplicated between main and universe
[02:03] <LinuxJones> psr, have you upgraded you system recently ?
[02:03] <jdub> sean_: so it should, in general, just work
[02:03] <psr> No, unfortunately I can't connect that machine to the internet.  Its a clean install off an ISO I downloaded on Saturday.
[02:04] <LinuxJones> psr, what kind of problem are you having ?
[02:04] <sean_> anyone want to help out an irc newbie?
[02:05] <psr> LinuxJones: One is that the "configure" option in Synaptic doesn't  do anything, and stops dpkg-reconfigure from doing anything.
[02:05] <sean_> im using xchat , what does someones name in yellow mean on the left?
[02:05] <burner> sean_, highlighted.. means they said your name
[02:05] <jdub> sean_: probably that they've mentioned your name
[02:05] <jdub> not highlighted
[02:05] <jdub> sean_: highlighted
[02:05] <burner> ;)
[02:05] <sean_> ahhhhh
[02:05] <tseng> jdub: i guess howl in gnome-vfs has to wait for hoary?
[02:06] <sean_> just set up ubuntu in the last hour
[02:06] <burner> ForsaKen`, you an avid kde user?
[02:06] <LinuxJones> psr, give me a sec to check
[02:06] <sean_> easiest install every
[02:06] <sean_> event found my atheros based wifi card
[02:06] <LinuxJones> psr, I have to isntall gnome-perl
[02:06] <pyramid> burner, you mean you set up ubuntu in less than one hour.
[02:06] <sean_> its a pity there is no nice gui to configure wifi connections (wep key etc.)
[02:06] <ForsaKen`> avid kde user ?
[02:06] <psr> LinuxJones: The other is that the XF86Config thats generated for my PCI GFX card doesn't work. (And it didn't seem to detect my AGP GeForce at all)
[02:06] <burner> pyramid, ?
[02:07] <ForsaKen`> i just dont really like gnome
[02:07] <pyramid> burner, did you say you set up ubuntu in less than one hour.
[02:07] <burner> ForsaKen`, i'm curious if you know anything about kde and making usb drives appear on the desktop when you plug em in ;)
[02:07] <burner> kinda like how gnome does
[02:07] <WayOutWest> same here but i like ubuntu as a whole and is making me like gnome more
[02:07] <burner> pyramid, maybe?
[02:07] <psr> LinuxJones: You have to install gnome-perl to make synaptic work properly?
[02:07] <LinuxJones> psr, have you installed the nvidia driver ?
[02:07] <burner> pyramid, i bet it was more like 20 minutes
[02:07] <pyramid> burner, that is incredible.
[02:08] <LinuxJones> psr, yes to configure it said that I needed it to run
[02:08] <burner> it's not gentoo ;)
[02:08] <ForsaKen`> click on your sesktop > create new > device > ..
[02:08] <pyramid> burner, i have been working on gentoo for about 8 months and it still is not set up
[02:08] <burner> ForsaKen`, i know about that... not what i was thinking ideally
[02:09] <burner> pyramid, doesn't surprise me ;)
[02:09] <WayOutWest> has anyone done a dual boot with XP?
[02:09] <pyramid> burner, that is what gets me...gentoo never seems to be finished.
[02:09] <burner> WayOutWest, of course
[02:09] <psr> LinuxJones: No, I tried to switch to nv by doing a dpkg-reconfigure, but it didn't work.
[02:10] <pyramid> burner, everyday you are having to recompile new libraries or whatever and then having to recompile all the programs.
[02:10] <burner> pyramid, so install ubuntu or kanotix
[02:10] <psr> LinuxJones: Probably because I selected the wrong modules or something, but isn't the point meant to be that everything just works?
[02:10] <pyramid> burner, well when i get another machine i am going to try ubuntu...but this one is heavily loaded with gentoo.
[02:10] <LinuxJones> psr,  >>http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[02:10] <LinuxJones> psr,  see #1
[02:11] <burner> eh, to each their own... i'll never use gentoo again... wasted too many hours of my life
[02:11] <LinuxJones> psr,  configure seems to be working jsut fine for me in Synaptic
[02:11] <pyramid> burner, i agree...gentoo is a real time-killer.
[02:11] <WayOutWest> burner, is it difficult, i tried one with Fedora Core 2 which, after searching after install, i found to have known problems with XP. so Ubuntu has none of these?
[02:11] <ForsaKen`> i installed gentoo, the 1st thing i did after the pc booted to the linux, was rm -rf *
[02:11] <ForsaKen`> the couldnt even make a NORMAL INSTALL PROGRAM ?!
[02:12] <burner> WayOutWest, none i've seen
[02:12] <pyramid> ForsaKen`, i can fully understand that.
[02:12] <ForsaKen`> i have to sit with 3 pages and do like 23214234 commands
[02:12] <burner> heh, you learn a lil bit though
[02:12] <WayOutWest> burner, thanks i might try it sometime.
[02:12] <burner> i would never known what swapon command did'
[02:12] <pyramid> burner, yes that is why so many people on slashdot call gentoo the GURU linux
[02:12] <pyramid> burner, and i suppose they really do have a witch doctor for a developer.
[02:13] <ForsaKen`> and apt-get works much better then em-some-thing i dont remember the name
[02:13] <sean_> how is ubuntu so fast! I was running gnome 2.6 on debian until yesterday, and I'm running 8 apps at onece without any sign of swapping
[02:13] <burner> their old lead dev quit... daniel robbins
[02:13] <pyramid> burner, yes i heard that..i wonder where he went.
[02:13] <tseng> would you people get over gentoo in here already
[02:13] <nasdaq4088> is ubuntu faster than other os on the market?
[02:14] <ForsaKen`> lol :+)
[02:14] <pyramid> tseng, we are comparing install times of gentoo vs ubuntu...ie 8 months vs 20 minutes.
[02:14] <burner> nasdaq4088, yes!  ;)   jk
[02:14] <meekj> How can a prevent a module from loading at boot?
[02:15] <psr> LinuxJones: Yes, I read the FAQ :-)  My problem isn't that the nvidia card wasn't set up correctly (It would have been nice if it had been though).  My problem is that having decided to use the Virge, the installer left me with an XF86Config file that doesn't suit the card.  Its a known problem with the XFree86 Virge driver, and the work around is to use a lower resolution and colour depth.
[02:15] <tseng> pyramid: i hear you spreading fud about gentoo a few times a day, among all your other useless rambling. could you try sticking to the topic?
[02:15] <burner> meekj, take it out of /etc/modules
[02:15] <burner> meekj, and if it's loaded by hotplug... add it to the hotplug blacklist
[02:15] <pyramid> tseng, why do you call it FUD....these are simple facts and we should be allowed to compare things with ubuntu in a ubuntu channel.
[02:16] <tseng> 8 months?
[02:16] <meekj> hum, it says at the top of the file /etc/modules to not mess with it by hand.
[02:16] <tseng> this is not a fact, that is crap
[02:16] <nasdaq4088> the security features of ubuntu
[02:16] <LinuxJones> psr, the vesa driver will not work with that card, I am not familiar with the Virge card is it real old ?
[02:16] <nasdaq4088> how good is it?
[02:16] <pyramid> tseng, yes tseng i have been installing gentoo for 8 months and it still is not finished.
[02:16] <tseng> pyramid: then you are doing something wrong.
[02:16] <psr> LinuxJones: see<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:16] <pyramid> tseng, and he said he installed ubuntu in 20 minutes.
[02:17] <tseng> me too
[02:17] <tseng> i can install gentoo in ~1 hour
[02:17] <burner> meekj, i'm not sure how to do it if not to do it from hand?
[02:17] <pyramid> tseng, well i don't know what i am doing wrong..i am just trying to keep up with the witch doctor over there.
[02:17] <psr> LinuxJones: Yeah, its pretty old.  I use it to drive a second monitor in a xinerama layout.
[02:18] <pyramid> burner, how can you install gentoo in one hour when the packages change every day
[02:18] <meekj> burner: I'm sorry, /etc/modules can be edited. But the module I want to stop loading is not listed there.
[02:18] <LinuxJones> psr, would be better to put the GForce card in there :)
[02:18] <burner> pyramid, to get an up and running system only takes about an hours
[02:18] <burner> hour
[02:18] <psr> LinuxJones: For windows it needs to be set as the the main graphics card in the BIOS for dual head to work.  Thats presumably why the installer didn't see the GeForce.
[02:18] <burner> all systems change... debian/ubuntu/rh/fc/suse/etc
[02:18] <pyramid> burner, well i am not sure what you mean by up and running when the packages need changing every day.
[02:19] <LinuxJones> psr, ahh
[02:19] <burner> they dont' "need" it
[02:19] <jdub> guys, take the off-topic stuff elsewhere pleases
[02:19] <burner> sorry
[02:19] <psr> LinuxJones: It would be best of all to copy my XF86Config accross from my Debian install :-), but that doesn't help the next guy.
[02:19] <burner> the evolution upgrade doesn't help
[02:20] <LinuxJones> psr, worry about yourself first :D
[02:20] <jdub> psr: the 24bit thing is a known problem
[02:20] <burner> (evolution-2.0:8307): Bonobo-WARNING **: Error: 'Unable to find the help files in either /usr/share/gnome/help/evolution-2.0/ or /usr/share/gnome/help/.  Please check your installation'
[02:20] <pyramid> burner, yes i know...i just installed evolution2.0 and then two days later evolution2.01 came out
[02:20] <jensens> whats the ubuntu equivalent to debians modconf?
[02:20] <jensens> or: how to load modules persistent
[02:21] <meekj> jensens: Yeah! Thats what I want to know.
[02:21] <jdub> jensens: add them to /etc/modules
[02:21] <atomsk> wow...nice job with ubuntu guys
[02:21] <jensens> jdub: theres no magic behind it like in debiansm odutils
[02:22] <jdub> jensens: well, that's a whole different matter :)
[02:22] <meekj> I have a module that loads that is not in /etc/modules.
[02:22] <jdub> stuff in /etc/modules will always load, that's your configuration file
[02:22] <burner> meekj, prolly loaded by hotplug
[02:22] <burner> check out the hotplug blacklist
[02:22] <jdub> then there's module-init-tools, hotplug, etc.
[02:22] <meekj> burner: I don't it is, asus_acpi
[02:23] <psr> jdub , LinuxJones : right, thanks.  I realise its not something many people are going to come across, but when you do its painful on the eyes :-)  Are there plans to handle Dual head systems better in the installer?
[02:23] <jdub> most of the stuff loaded will be from hotplug, some of it is loaded from other init scripts,
[02:23] <burner> u sure?
[02:23] <jensens> jdub: well, to load evdev module (for my synaptics touchpad) i just place it in /etc/modules ?
[02:23] <jdub> psr: not for the first release
[02:23] <jdub> jensens: yes
[02:23] <jensens> jdub: thx!
[02:23] <ForsaKen`> if i want to put some thing as an alias, but i dont want to use alias, command evry time that i reboot my pc
[02:23] <ForsaKen`> is there a file that saves all the aliases ?
[02:24] <jensens> ForsaKen`: put it in ~/.bashrc
[02:24] <jdub> ForsaKen`: as in, shell aliases?
[02:24] <LinuxJones> psi, I am not sure, Configure in Synaptic works jsut fine for me BTW.
[02:24] <ForsaKen`> yes as is shell alias
[02:24] <ForsaKen`> thanks
[02:24] <psr> jdub: Fair enough, I can see that its a minority issue.  Ubunutu otherwise seems to rock really very hard.  Keep up the good workl and thanks! :-)
[02:25] <WW_> I could swear that I chose to NOT participate in the "popularity contest" when I installed ubuntu, but now I see that in my last dist-upgrade, it is installed and has been upgraded.  Can I just remove the package?
[02:25] <psr> LinuxJones: Thanks very much for your help! :-)
[02:25] <LinuxJones> psi, ;)
[02:26] <ForsaKen`> to put all the command? like alias format="rm -rf *.*"
[02:26] <ForsaKen`> or only format="rm -rf *.*
[02:26] <ForsaKen`> i dont really use an alias like that lol =]
[02:26] <jensens> ForsaKen`: the whole line.
[02:26] <ForsaKen`> thanks
[02:27] <jensens> ForsaKen`: to make it active /for testing/ just do source ~/.bashrc
[02:27] <sean_> anyone here any good with wifi? Cant seem to figure out how to get ubuntu to remember my wep key
[02:28] <mwilson> Presumably it does things the same way Debian does, in the interfaces file?
[02:29] <justdave> were there known problems with the 10/3 daily cd build for powerpc?
[02:34] <RuffianSoldier> whats a good windows emulator (one that you install windows through and use windows through)\
[02:35] <allybally> RuffianSoldier: not an emulator, but a virtual machine, VMWare allows you to run windows within Linux
[02:35] <allybally> it works v. well.
[02:35] <RuffianSoldier> kool
[02:35] <RuffianSoldier> thats the one i wanted
[02:35] <tardmac> anyone here "upgrade" from debian testing to ubuntu?
[02:36] <allybally> tardmac: i'm thinking about doing it. Dunno if I have the balls though!
[02:36] <tardmac> i'm thinking about it too
[02:36] <tardmac> but it's my laptop
[02:36] <tardmac> that I dual boot
[02:36] <allybally> it would be hell to start from scratch on my laptop, as it has no cd rom
[02:36] <tardmac> I guess I can try
[02:36] <tardmac> lol
[02:36] <RuffianSoldier> allybally - Can i apt-get VMWare?
[02:37] <allybally> heh, they are looking for people to post up on the web site (the main one) what your success was on migrating
[02:37] <tardmac> haha
[02:37] <tardmac> i might as well try it :D
[02:37] <allybally> RuffianSoldier: I don't think so, its a commerical piece of software - www.vmware.com
[02:37] <tardmac> I'll back up my data first though
[02:38] <allybally> tardmac: as long as everything is in /home you should be good to go. I've been reading a few external sources and they say there are probs with reiser just now but ext3 is fully stable
[02:39] <pyramid> and anyway why do people say that package upgrades are not necessary when the authors of the programs themselves think that they are.
[02:39] <tardmac> i'm ext3 on my linux partition
[02:39] <tardmac> unfortunately it's all one partition
[02:39] <tardmac> I can try :)
   gstreamer0.8-cdparanoia libmusicbrainz4 sound-juicer <-- this I have installed by dependencies with sound-juicer in gnome
 but, I cant rip in mp3, what does this program uses for mp3 rip?
 please
[02:40] <pyramid> it seems to be a constant probem and very pervasive.
[02:40] <allybally> hmm, if you have any free space on the drive (enough for /home), id think about creating a new part for it. You could squeze your / part with qtparted or pqmagic or something like it
[02:42] <RuffianSoldier> Which VMWare product is it?
[02:42] <allybally> I used (I think) WS (for WorkStation)
[02:42] <RuffianSoldier> kk
[02:44] <Hrdwr_BoB> xLobeznox: you need the mp3 libraries
[02:44] <Hrdwr_BoB> they are ... encumbered
[02:44] <xLobeznox> I use debian sarge, not ubuntu
[02:44] <xLobeznox> but, what libraries they are ?
[02:50] <WW_> Could someone help me getting Evolution Mail set up to send mail?
[02:50] <RuffianSoldier> i guess
[02:50] <sean_> WW_ sure
[02:50] <RuffianSoldier> you have to put in your SMTP address
[02:51] <RuffianSoldier> WW_, SMTP
[02:51] <pyramid> WW_ what version of evolution do you have.
[02:51] <pyramid> it keeps changing every few days.
[02:51] <WW_> pyramid: 2.0 (the latest from ubuntu)
[02:52] <pyramid> WW_, well ok what is your question...2.01 seems to work here and should not be much different
[02:52] <sean_> WW_ what error are you getting?
[02:52] <pyramid> WW_ what setting are you trying to set
[02:52] <WW_> Right... it is 2.0.1.
[02:53] <pyramid> WW_ ok it should be easy to set up...do you know your pop3 and smtp server names.
[02:53] <sean_> WW_ can you send or recieve right now , or neither?
[02:54] <jde> RuffianSoldier, can't you use posftfix?
[02:54] <WW_> I'm not sure how to configure the "Sending Mail" options.  My office computer (running RHEL3 and Evolution 1.4) uses sendmail.
[02:54] <pyramid> WW_ if not you will have to call your ISP and get some data.
[02:54] <RuffianSoldier> jde???????
[02:54] <WW_> Sorry... can't keep up!
[02:54] <pyramid> well who is your ISP
[02:54] <jde> RuffianSoldier, posftfix as your mta.
[02:55] <RuffianSoldier> jde, MTA?
[02:55] <jde> Mail Transfer Agent
[02:55] <sean_> WW_ your mail address is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>, whats the somewhere.com bit?
[02:55] <RuffianSoldier> jde: how is this relevent to me?
[02:55] <WW_> sean_: That would be colgate.edu
[02:55] <sean_> RuffianSoldier : MTA = Mail Transfer Agent , usually a SMTP server (part of most mail server packages)
[02:56] <jde> You asked ww_ what his smtp server was.
[02:56] <jde> forget it.
[02:56] <sean_> use mailmx.colgate.edu as the mail server
[02:56] <pyramid> jde, he needs to input some information...to set it up.
[02:56] <jde> Ubuntu comes with postfix as opposed to sendmail.
[02:57] <WW_> I found a reference on the school's web page to smtp.colgate.edu, so presumably I should be using that.
[02:57] <pyramid> WW_ ok do you have a user account at your school.
[02:57] <WW_> pyramid: Yes.
[02:57] <sean_> WW_ i just lookup up the domain and it returned mailmx.colgate.edu, smtp is probably the same machine, try smtp first though
[02:58] <pyramid> WW_ ok then...yes type that for your smtp entry...and what is their pop3 server
[02:58] <WW_> I can read the email fine.  It is an Exchange 2003 server, but I am using the IMAP interface for receiving email.
[02:58] <jde> try smtp.colgate.edu
[02:58] <ndowens> how do u download and install packages from deb-src?
[02:58] <sean_> WW_ try sending a mail now , you can send to me if you want<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:58] <pyramid> WW_ ok evolution handles IMAP also.
[02:59] <sean_> just make sure SERVER TYPE is smtp , and HOST is smtp.colgate.edu
[02:59] <WW_> sean_: I've tried that before, but I'm trying it again now...
[03:18] <sean_> WW_ if that does not work , try checking the 'Server requires authentication' box and filling in your username at the bottom
[03:18] <jde> mail.colgate.edu
[03:18] <jde> Try that.
[03:18] <pyramid> WW_, sometimes username is not enough..sometimes it is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>you need to check with your ISP
[03:18] <sean_> WW_ you can also try the username with and without the domain , and try the various different types of authentication
[03:18] <sean_> WW_ also if it gives an error message let me know what it is
[03:18] <RuffianSoldier> My friend hosts my account, and my user name is the same as my Email adress, and my STMP and my POP3 are the same= mail.mysticalnexus.com
[03:18] <WW_> jde, pyramid, sean_: Still playing with smtp... I'll try those suggestions next.
[03:18] <jde> I just googled for it. SHould be mail.colgate.edu
[03:18] <sean_> WW_ I've run a few mail severs so we should be able to figure it out
[03:18] <jde> WW_ should be mail.colgate.edu
[03:18] <Phr0stByte> I love Ubuntu!!!
[03:18] <LinuxJones> lol
[03:18] <WW_> jde_: smtp.colgate.edu failed: timed out.   I wondered why that decision had been made.
[03:18] <jde> mwilson, you can put that on ubuntus feature request or something.
[03:18] <pyramid> jde, cups works ok here...not perfect but very usable.
[03:18] <pyramid> jde, what doesn't work for you.
[03:18] <mwilson> jde: Not me, I'm just hanging out watching.  It's not like I'll ever use it, it just struck me as odd.
[03:18] <jde> pyramid, works fine on ubuntu sept I've had to jump through hoops on other distros.
[03:18] <jde> Usually just settle for apsfilter.
[03:18] <pyramid> jde, well i haven't had too much problem with it except for the cups drivers...but when i use the gimp-print driver with cups i don't have much problems.
[03:18] <mwilson> Ugh, I gave up on apsfilter.
[03:18] <mwilson> If ifhp can't do it, it's not worth doing.
[03:18] <LinuxJones> Night all sleepy Time !!
[03:18] <jayeola> hi chaps
[03:18] <pyramid> jayeola, chaps huh...where are you from
[03:18] <jde> WW_, did mail.colgate.edu work?
[03:18] <jayeola> london. installing ubuntu but i'm stuck at the partition stage
[03:18] <pyramid> jayeola, oh no wonder that is common language there...hello to you also
[03:18] <pyramid> pardner
[03:18] <jayeola> i'd like to boot with win98/ubuntu/blag(fedora)
[03:18] <jayeola> is any one dual booting here?
[03:18] <soleblaze> having some problems installing ubuntu..I get get the error:
[03:18] <jayeola> and where u from pyramid ?
[03:18] <soleblaze> Send-Mail: warning fork: Address family not supported by protocol
[03:18] <soleblaze> over and over
[03:18] <soleblaze> anyone know what i'm missing?
[03:18] <pyramid> jayeola, well i don't have dual boot.so i can't help much on that but i am from Texico pardner.
[03:18] <WW_> jde_: No... not yet, anyway.  What's the most likely Authentication Type?  (I know, that's really a question for the sysadmins at Colgate...)
[03:18] <pyramid> jayeola, it used to be called Texas before it was overrun by starving Mexicans crossing the border.
[03:18] <jayeola> texico, is that texas? are u a tex-mex, or should that be mex-tex?
[03:18] <WW_> jde_: I can send mail from my office computer (running Redhat, and Evolution 1.4 using sendmail).  Is there a file that I could check on that computer that would have the information that I need?
[03:19] <jayeola> heh pyramid u seen that movie "blowfish"....
[03:19] <pyramid> jayeola, well i eat a bowl of chili every now and then but i don't think i am tex-mex..but i really don't know.
[03:19] <jayeola> so no dual booters here then....
[03:19] <pyramid> jayeola, the area has changed a lot over the last 20 years.
[03:20] <jayeola> oh?
[03:20] <jayeola> speaking spanish...
[03:20] <pyramid> jayeola, no what was blowfish about?
[03:20] <sean_> WW_ if you go into tools accounts on that machine , you can check the send mail settings there
[03:20] <sean_> doh , but you said it was using sendmail didnt you.....
[03:20] <pyramid> jayeola, no i don't speak any spanish...and i can't speak to all these people here.
[03:20] <jayeola> a comedy with steve martin and eddie murphy
[03:21] <WW_> sean_: Right, that computer uses sendmail.
[03:21] <RuffianSoldier> WW_ - Any luCK?
[03:21] <pyramid> jayeola, i never could understand Mexican..the only thing i understand about Mexico is that they slaughtered all kinds of people at the Alamo.
[03:21] <sean_> WW_ dont know enough about sendmail to know how to extract the servername
[03:21] <lothario> yeah, poor Davy Crockett
[03:21] <pyramid> jayeola, people like Jim Bowie, Davie Crockett, etc
[03:22] <WW_> sean_: Would there be a configuration file somewhere?
[03:22] <lothario> He took one for the team
[03:22] <sean_> WW_ this is probably going to be one for the colgate admins unfortunately
[03:22] <jayeola> indeed
[03:22] <jde> I could never understand American ... only thing I understand about American is that they took land from natives.
[03:22] <nasdaq4088> i can asure you many more mexicans than americans were slaughtered
[03:22] <sean_> yip , but I've heard its a monster
[03:22] <sean_> let me do a quick google
[03:22] <jde> `/rimshot'
[03:22] <pyramid> jayeola, but they have taken over Texas so now i call it Texico....every TV station is in Spanish only.
[03:22] <jdub> guys
[03:22] <nasdaq4088> did you know that 1/3 america belonged to the mexicans.
[03:22] <jdub> offtopic stuff elsewhere please
[03:23] <nasdaq4088> yes
[03:23] <lothario> that's why they wear sheeeet kickers
[03:24] <jde> What are sheet kickers?
[03:24] <lothario> cowboy boots
[03:24] <tseng> drop it
[03:25] <pyramid> tseng, you seem to get very upset when people discuss what is important to them...why not give them their freedom.
[03:25] <pyramid> tseng, did someone take your freedom away from you.
[03:25] <tseng> pyramid: i get very upset beacuse you seem to be at the center of a half dozen off topic discussions in the last two days
[03:26] <tseng> you are so far off base that its ridiculous.
[03:26] <tseng> gentoo, ancient romans, mexico
[03:26] <pyramid> tseng, i did not even mention cowboy boots but i am saying let them talk about what is important to them....
[03:26] <lothario> Davy Crockett never fed a troll!! look where it got him
[03:26] <sean_> WW_ the sendmail config file is going to be called something.mc
[03:26] <jde> All right lets just keep this channel for tech related stuff guys.
[03:27] <sean_> most likely config.mc in /etc/sendmail
[03:27] <WW_> pyramid: I came here to learn about using ubuntu.  All this extraneous chatter is interfering with my ability to do so.  I believe you are free to start your own channel, say #alamo or #americanhistory101.
[03:27] <mwilson> Hm, no one knows about the printing thing.
[03:27] <sean_> if you type "find / -name '*.mc' -print | less" that will give you a list of all such files
[03:27] <nasdaq4088> lol WW_
[03:28] <whiprush> yay, doom3 works in ubuntu!
[03:28] <sean_> WW_ at the end of the file there will be a MAILER entry, that should contain the smtp server details and settings
[03:29] <pyramid> WW_ well you know...i told you to call your ISP for some data...i think this is the best advice to save you a lot of time...but if you censor all those people just because they don't talk about exactly what you want to hear...you will never broaden your mind.
[03:32] <WW_> pyramid: Yes, that was excellent advice, and I am grateful.
[03:33] <pyramid> WW_ the reason you need to contact your isp is that there are several variables...and you could waste a lot of time just trying permutations of them...it is better to see what mail servers and user accounts your isp wants you to use and also if authentication is necessary
[03:34] <WW_> pyramid: Right.
[03:36] <jayeola> any one tried a palm hand held thing yet?
[03:36] <tseng> jayeola: yes.
[03:36] <tseng> works fine
[03:37] <jayeola> oh yeah?
[03:37] <jayeola> what app?
[03:37] <jde> Geez, politics always kills a room.
[03:37] <tseng> gnome-pilot
[03:37] <jayeola> pilot-link?
[03:37] <tseng> ya
[03:37] <tseng> computer - desktop prefs - palm
[03:37] <jayeola> hard to get going? i tried with fedora but it never got past the sync
[03:38] <tseng> you need to know what the device node is
[03:38] <mwilson> I never found gnome-pilot worth the powder it'd take to blow it to hell... I always used coldsync.
[03:38] <jayeola> /dev/ttyUSB0
[03:38] <jayeola> hmmm
[03:38] <zenwhen> DOOM 3 LINUX BINARIES ARE OUT: http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/doom/
[03:38] <jayeola> /dev/ttyUSB0
[03:39] <jayeola> that's that my kernel docs said
[03:39] <mwilson> Gods, who cares about D3?
[03:39] <clee> dude. that game was cool.
[03:39] <mwilson> It's not as much of a snooze as some of the others, but it's still a snooze.
[03:39] <clee> it's too bad that the Linux version performs so amazingly shittily.
[03:41] <MepisBelle> heh
[03:41] <mwilson> The last decent FPS was D2.
[03:41] <lothario> is it okay to talk about games here?
[03:42] <jde> It is related to GNU/Linux isn't it?
[03:42] <pyramid> lothario, yes ...of course if that is on your mind and maybe people may even learn something about what games work well and not on ubuntu
[03:43] <HrdwrBoB> zenwhen: I know ! :D :D
[03:44] <zenwhen> Im rather excited.
[03:44] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[03:44] <HrdwrBoB> I played it in winex
[03:44] <nasdaq4088> i'm getting rome total war in 1 months time
[03:44] <zenwhen> My 6800 arrives tomorrow.
[03:44] <HrdwrBoB> but it was slow++
[03:44] <HrdwrBoB> nice
[03:44] <HrdwrBoB> I have a 5700
[03:44] <HrdwrBoB> not the best
[03:44] <zenwhen> What luck.
[03:44] <HrdwrBoB> but certainly capable
[03:45] <zenwhen> Yeah
[03:45] <zenwhen> I have one too
[03:45] <HrdwrBoB> I couldn't justify more.. because I had to buy two :)
[03:54] <TheMonoTone> there's no bug on bugzilla but libphp4-jpgraph dependencies are broken
[03:54] <TheMonoTone> should I put that on there?
[03:56] <dukeku> is anyone else having problems with main/source updating?
[03:57] <dukeku> is anyone else having problems with main/source updating?
[03:57] <dukeku> err
[03:57] <dukeku> wrong window, was trying to hit up arrow in my term /o\
[03:58] <jayeola> ;/
[03:58] <dukeku> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/source/Sources.gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[03:58] <dukeku> heh
[03:58] <jayeola> have u uncommented these sources?
[03:59] <dukeku> they were working fine a day or so ago /o\
[03:59] <jayeola> in /etc/apt/sources.blah?
[03:59] <dukeku> sources.list :
[03:59] <dukeku> aaaaagh keyboard is ass
[03:59] <jayeola> bleh - need some sleep. night chaps!
[04:02] <pyramid> jayeola, night pardner.
[04:02] <spoonyG> ok, let me just say, i installed ubuntu as a goof b/c i saw it all over slashdot...
[04:02] <spoonyG> this was THE fastest and easiest linux installs i've ever done.
[04:02] <jayeola> buenos nochas amigo
[04:02] <spoonyG> i am most impressed
[04:02] <dukeku> :O
[04:03] <pyramid> spoonyG, several people are reporting that...one person said he installed it in 20 minutes.
[04:03] <spoonyG> pyramid, yep that sounds about right
[04:03] <jayeola> 17.5
[04:03] <HrdwrBoB> spoonyG: that's the intention :)
[04:03] <HrdwrBoB> glad to hear it's working
[04:12] <msassak> hi... has anyone else had problems opening nautilus and other applications without using sudo?
[04:12] <HrdwrBoB> how so?
[04:13] <msassak> well, if i run nautilus from the command line, it just sits there, but if i run "sudo nautilus" it opens
[04:14] <HrdwrBoB> that's because nautlius is already running
[04:14] <HrdwrBoB> as your user
[04:14] <HrdwrBoB> type nautilus .
[04:14] <HrdwrBoB> and it will open cwd
[04:14] <msassak> no, it doesn't
[04:15] <HrdwrBoB> what about gnome-open .
[04:15] <joem> running nautilus would still open a new window regardless
[04:15] <msassak> "Error showing url: There is no default action associated with this location."
[04:15] <msassak> yeah, that's what i thought
[04:15] <joem> msassak, is there a nautilus process being run by your user that might need to be killed?
[04:17] <msassak> i've killed all of them but they restart... let me go change that
[04:17] <msassak> apparently "File->Open" fails on every Gnome-ified application as well
[04:18] <HrdwrBoB> hm
[04:18] <HrdwrBoB> sounds like stuff is broken
[04:18] <HrdwrBoB> what does apt-get -f install say
[04:19] <msassak> no problems... "0 upgraded", etc.
[04:19] <HrdwrBoB> hrm
[04:19] <msassak> killing nautilus permanently and starting it again doesn't help either :(
[04:20] <HrdwrBoB> sounds like it's up the shizzle
[04:20] <msassak> heh... is that a technical term?
[04:20] <HrdwrBoB> problem with the gnome libraries somehow
[04:20] <HrdwrBoB> yes!
[04:20] <HrdwrBoB> highly technical
[04:20] <HrdwrBoB> often used by ubuntu developers
[04:20] <HrdwrBoB> well, at least one
[04:20] <msassak> lol... i will use that in the bug report
[04:21] <msassak> fwiw, when i run it with sudo, it spits out messages related to the mime-types of the files in the directory it's opening, so it's at least getting to that part of the code
[04:21] <HrdwrBoB> hm
[04:21] <HrdwrBoB> ok
[04:22] <HrdwrBoB> long shot - try removing all .gnome* things in your home directory
[04:22] <msassak> or i should say, it's *not* getting there when run normally
[04:22] <HrdwrBoB> possibly a local config issue
[04:22] <HrdwrBoB> or create another user
[04:22] <HrdwrBoB> but that will be a PITA because of all the groups etc
[04:22] <msassak> awww cripe... i was hoping to avoid that...
[04:22] <msassak> another user might be worth a shot
[04:22] <msassak> does ubuntu package xnest?
[04:23] <HrdwrBoB> I'm not sure, it will be in universe at least
[04:23] <msassak> k
[04:23] <msassak> just a second
[04:23] <HrdwrBoB> try renaming your home directory
[04:31] <danbot> anybody here use the AMD64 version of Ubuntu?
[04:31] <tardmac> danbot: i would if I'd be able to get my wireless working
[04:32] <danbot> I just got an AMD64 and MSI K8T Neo last tuesday so I am just checking out my options for Linux AMD64 sulution
[04:33] <t35t0r> danbot: #ubuntu-amd64
[04:33] <t35t0r> not many people there yet
[04:33] <t35t0r> is that nforce3?
[04:33] <danbot> no its a VIA
[04:33] <WW_> Minor nuisance: when I run gedit in one workspace, and then run gedit in another workspace, it pulls the first instance of gedit into the second workspace.  Can configure this so that it starts a new instance of gedit?
[04:33] <t35t0r> ohh yes you said k8t
[04:33] <danbot> VIA K8T800
[04:34] <WW_> s/Can conf/Can I conf/
[04:34] <HrdwrBoB> WW_: I don't think you can , but even if you can that sounds like a bug
[04:34] <WW_> HrdwrBoB: Ah, I figured someone would tell me it was a feature, and I should learn to love it :-)
[04:35] <HrdwrBoB> welcome to ubuntu :)
[04:36] <WW_> HrdwrBoB: I'll file it in bugzilla and see what happens.
[04:36] <steveod> danbot: i have the K8T Master, i tried the 64bit, but the lack of some programs made me switch to the 32bit
[04:36] <HrdwrBoB> cool
[04:36] <HrdwrBoB> ubuntu: now with 300% less retards
[04:36] <msassak> brb
[04:37] <pyramid> i am not sure what went wrong with kde3.3 but bloggsie also reports serious problems with konq...at his place the web site took 52seconds to come in whereas the same website with firefox took only 10seconds...so there is something very wrong with kde3.3
[04:37] <HrdwrBoB> quite likely
[04:37] <HrdwrBoB> unfortunately kde is not technically supported right now
[04:38] <HrdwrBoB> you'll really have to wait for hoary for KDE
[04:38] <pyramid> well something went wrong with kde..but maybe later it will be fixed.
[04:39] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[04:39] <HrdwrBoB> well after warty is released, hoary will begin development, and KDE should move into SupportedSeed
[04:40] <pyramid> hey this is great there is now a blender channel
[04:40] <neighborlee> :)
[04:40] <pyramid> it has 42 people in it already
[04:41] <neighborlee> yea its been  growing steadily
[04:41] <pyramid> well kde had k3d...so now gnome has blender which i think is very fair.
[04:42] <neighborlee> hmm i'm not familiar with k3d
[04:42] <neighborlee> you mean kpovmodeler ?
[04:43] <pyramid> neighborlee, well it is a nice program..and pretty good docs too online...but i printed an 800page manual on blender and it seems just as powerful
[04:43] <neighborlee> yea blender is amazing once you get into all aspects
[04:44] <pyramid> neighborlee, no i mean k3d...you can get the package from gentoo's website or elsewhere...but you know kde really has some serious problems since they went to 3.3...it may take awhile to get it running again.
[04:45] <pyramid> neighborlee, now i did hear there was a hack coming out of the aKademy for Konq3.3 but it has not made it into the packages yet.
[04:45] <pyramid> neighborlee, it is just that something went very very wrong.
[04:45] <mfeif> hi guys. Can someone help me out with playing video in ubuntu? (I'm not a newbie, but I'm stuck)
[04:45] <neighborlee> its even better with version 2.34 especially now that we can do uvunwrapping with arbitrary surfaces ;-)
[04:45] <CoolChEEzE> anyone direct me toward a way to use the ati drivers (proprietary) on ubuntu
[04:46] <CoolChEEzE> nm i found it
[04:46] <CoolChEEzE> lol
[04:46] <neighborlee> pyramid, hmm actually Idont follow kde stuff much ;(
[04:46] <neighborlee> pyramid, konq is better but I still find it undesireable
[04:46] <neighborlee> CoolChEEzE, heh
[04:46] <pyramid> neighborlee, well they are working on krita to have something comparable to the gimp2..but it is not ready yet either...so gnome has some advantages at this time.
[04:47] <neighborlee> mfeif, sure where are you stuck
[04:47] <CoolChEEzE> neighborlee, i didnt look hard enough ;)
[04:47] <neighborlee> pyramid, hmmm somehow to me that just seems silly
[04:47] <ubuntu-nubiee> crimsun, you out there?
[04:47] <crimsun> ubuntu-nubiee: yes.
[04:47] <pyramid> neighborlee, well it is nice to have two competing gui's..choice never hurts.
[04:47] <mfeif> I'm on a laptop, that I used to run debian/unstable on; it has a PCI radeon card for vid. I had video working great before the switch to ubuntu; now totem plays the audio but the video is blank for all mimetypes
[04:48] <ubuntu-nubiee> i don't know if you remember, i was having network problems yesterday.
[04:48] <neighborlee> pyramid, gimp2 is the answer to PS so dividing commmunity on YAGDP seems silly to me ;-)) ( yet another graphics design program) < lol
[04:48] <crimsun> ubuntu-nubiee: yep
[04:48] <ubuntu-nubiee> just wanted to let you know i put the nic in a new pci slot and it's just fine.
[04:48] <crimsun> ubuntu-nubiee: all right, good to hear(read) :)
[04:48] <ubuntu-nubiee> man, gotta hate that.  wasted a good hours!
[04:48] <neighborlee> pyramid, choice is good yes
[04:48] <ubuntu-nubiee> anyway, wanted to say thanks again for the help yesterday
[04:48] <mfeif> neighborlee: I noticed that the XF4 config uses ati driver rather than radeon, but that shouldn't matter, right?
[04:48] <pyramid> neighborlee, it is not about dividing..it is about expanding people's freedom and choices.
[04:49] <neighborlee> mfeif, hmm sounds like your missing plugger
[04:49] <mfeif> neighborlee: I installed gxine and that sorta works, but not so hot. Formerly, I had totem working great
[04:49] <mfeif> what's that?
[04:49] <neighborlee> mfeif, is this just on websites ?
[04:49] <mfeif> no
[04:49] <pyramid> neighborlee, you see I am not God and i dont have the right to take away what God has given them.
[04:49] <mfeif> not on sites; on files either local to the HD or over samba
[04:49] <crimsun> ubuntu-nubiee: no sweat :)
[04:49] <neighborlee> mfeif, hmm not having ati i've really no idea i'm very sorry ;(
[04:49] <mfeif> running totem from commandline produces no error output
[04:49] <mfeif> hm
[04:50] <mfeif> does ubuntu not have codec support or something? I understand that you don't have the same hardware, but I don't even know if ubuntu is supposed to play video well out-of-the-box
[04:50] <neighborlee> mfeif, hmm that is odd..I guess it depends on what kind of codec is needed by what your trying to play
[04:50] <tardmac> lol
[04:51] <mfeif> do you know if totem is using libxine or gstreamer underneath? (I tried several kinds of video; mpeg1,2,4, avi, wmv, etc. no dice all around
[04:51] <HrdwrBoB> mfeif: have you installed totem-xine
[04:51] <neighborlee> mfeif, well depends what your playing..sofar my website stuff is working flawlessly but i've not tried other stuff yet not having the need yet
[04:51] <neighborlee> mfeif, totem-xine is preferable thoug which you can install via synaptic
[04:51] <HrdwrBoB> totem-xine is recommended
[04:51] <mfeif> so the stock totem is gstreamer based?
[04:51] <neighborlee> mfeif, under your 'computer > system ' menu
[04:52] <neighborlee> HrdwrBoB, oops sorry ;=-)
[04:52] <neighborlee> oh well great minds I guess LOL
[04:52] <HrdwrBoB> well it's not really magic :)
[04:52] <HrdwrBoB> better two people help than noen
[04:52] <mfeif> my old unstable install was totem-xine. thanks; I know about synaptic
[04:52] <mfeif> yes, great minds who help; that's good
[04:53] <mfeif> anyone know about power management under ubuntu?
[04:54] <msassak> HrdwrBoB: so deleting .gconf .gconfd .gnome .gnome2 .gnome2_private .nautilus and .metacity got it to stop
[04:55] <neighborlee> mfeif, works fine
[04:55] <neighborlee> mfeif, power management I mean...laptop wize I dunno I'm referring to desktop...
[04:55] <mfeif> neighborlee: cool. I haven't been able to suspend, but that's been tricky on debian/unstable, too
[04:56] <mfeif> so far I'm way impressed by ubuntu; have been a long-time debian fan, but it's been brutal making it into a decent desktop.
[04:57] <RuffianSoldier> whats the theme folder for IceWM?
[04:58] <RuffianSoldier> whats the theme folder for IceWM?
[04:58] <crimsun> RuffianSoldier: system-wide? /usr/share/icewm/themes/
[04:58] <RuffianSoldier> kk
[04:58] <RuffianSoldier> thanks
[04:58] <crimsun> per-user, more than likely ~/.icewm/themes/
[04:59] <RuffianSoldier> naa
[04:59] <RuffianSoldier> its not that
[04:59] <crimsun> check the faq on www.icewm.org :)
[05:01] <mfeif> HrdwrBoB, neighborlee ... thanks a bunch
[05:01] <HrdwrBoB> np
[05:07] <CoolChEEzE> anyone had issues with the binary ati drivers here ?
[05:07] <HrdwrBoB> what sort of issues?
[05:07] <CoolChEEzE> well
[05:07] <CoolChEEzE> ive got em installed
[05:08] <CoolChEEzE> but i have no accel
[05:08] <CoolChEEzE> any time i try anything gl
[05:08] <RuffianSoldier> How do i loggin as root in the GDM?????
[05:08] <CoolChEEzE> machine just hangs
[05:08] <CoolChEEzE> even glxinfo
[05:08] <HrdwrBoB> RuffianSoldier: by defaulkt, ubuntu uses sudo
[05:08] <HrdwrBoB> so you login as your user
[05:08] <HrdwrBoB> then you run 'sudo program'
[05:08] <HrdwrBoB> to run the program as root
[05:08] <HrdwrBoB> it will ask you for your password
[05:09] <RuffianSoldier> i want to move a folder into the /usr/share/icewm/themes but it says im not aloud
[05:09] <crimsun> moin fabbione
[05:09] <HrdwrBoB> RuffianSoldier: run sudo cp files /usr/share/icewm/themes
[05:09] <RuffianSoldier> what is sudo cp filese>
[05:10] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: do you know how to use cp?
[05:10] <RuffianSoldier> no
[05:13] <pyramid> boy there are a lot of code-theft issues flying around these days...it has made front page news today at www.newsforge.com
[05:13] <RuffianSoldier> ??=-??-=??
[05:14] <HrdwrBoB> RuffianSoldier:  did you get that copied or not
[05:14] <RuffianSoldier> what do you mean?
[05:14] <RuffianSoldier> getwhat copied?
[05:14] <bob2> HrdwrBoB: he doesn't know how to use cp.
[05:14] <HrdwrBoB> the icewm theme you wanted installewd
[05:15] <RuffianSoldier> no
[05:15] <CoolChEEzE> is there a gdesklets package ?

[05:15] <HrdwrBoB> ok, probably easiest to run a terminal, and run sudo nautilus
[05:15] <RuffianSoldier> i dont like nautilus
[05:15] <RuffianSoldier> i like konqueror
[05:15] <aitrus> is there a sound configurator in ubuntu?
[05:16] <HrdwrBoB> well
[05:16] <bob2> CoolChEEzE: it's in universe.
[05:16] <HrdwrBoB> sudo konqueror
[05:16] <bob2> aitrus: it should be automatically setup for you
[05:16] <RuffianSoldier> aight
[05:16] <CoolChEEzE> bob2, tnx
[05:16] <aitrus> bob2: it didn't detect my ich6 onboard audio
[05:16] <CoolChEEzE> if i could only get me ati issue worked out.... ubuntu would be my new home :)
[05:16] <RuffianSoldier> neither mine
[05:16] <bob2> aitrus: does linux support it?
[05:17] <aitrus> bob2: intel says that alsa 1.0.5 and above supports it
[05:17] <bob2> CoolChEEzE: the Free drivers don't work at all?
[05:17] <pyramid> i sure am glad i am not programming anymore with all these code-theft issues flying around
[05:17] <crimsun> aitrus: do you have a dell laptop by any chance?
[05:17] <CoolChEEzE> bob2, yeah they work but i want hw accel
[05:17] <CoolChEEzE> 2d is great
[05:17] <aitrus> crimsun: nope
[05:18] <bob2> aitrus: hrm, that's what ubuntu has...
[05:18] <bob2> aitrus: if no one else has reported it, it'd be great if you could file a bug.
[05:18] <crimsun> aitrus: ok, could you give me the relevant lspci -v line?
[05:18] <aitrus> bob2: i'm wondering if there is a patch that i need to apply to the kernel
[05:19] <bob2> aitrus: well, ubuntu has the version intel says you need...if you have to apply a patch, then it's a bug in the ubuntu kernel :)
[05:19] <aitrus> crimsun: private message it to you?
[05:19] <RuffianSoldier> me no have sound......
[05:19] <RuffianSoldier> me have onboard card
[05:19] <aitrus> bob2: i mean i wonder if i have to apply an intel-supplied patch to it
[05:19] <RuffianSoldier> but meno have soudn
[05:19] <crimsun> aitrus: sure
[05:19] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: what card do you have?
[05:20] <crimsun> aitrus: lspci -v|grep Multimedia
[05:20] <aitrus>         Subsystem: Intel Corp.: Unknown device e400
[05:20] <aitrus>         Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 16
[05:20] <aitrus>         Memory at febf8000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable)
[05:20] <aitrus>         Capabilities: [50]  Power Management version 2
[05:20] <aitrus>         Capabilities: [60]  Message Signalled Interrupts: 64bit+ Queue=0/0 Enable-
[05:20] <aitrus>         Capabilities: [70]  #10 [0091]
[05:20] <aitrus> crap!
[05:20] <aitrus> i am so sorrt
[05:20] <aitrus> sorry
[05:20] <pyramid> hmnm...grace is an interesting program but the fonts sure are small
[05:20] <pyramid> it is hard to read the menus
[05:21] <aitrus> crimsun: hmm.. interesting... there is just a "hub audio controller" and no "multimedia" device...
[05:21] <RuffianSoldier> bob2, i have onboard
[05:26] <RuffianSoldier> bob2
[05:27] <RuffianSoldier> p
[05:27] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: you need to be a lot more specific...
[05:27] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: try asking on the ubuntu-users list, and include the output of "dmesg" and "lspci -v"
[05:28] <RuffianSoldier> i have no clue what those re
[05:28] <RuffianSoldier> are
[05:28] <pyramid> what on earth is a gtk-qt-theme-engine..i thought those widgets competed with each other
[05:28] <RuffianSoldier> all i know is that my sound worked when i was using Libranet
[05:28] <HrdwrBoB> just run them in a terminal
[05:28] <HrdwrBoB> and paste the output into an email
[05:28] <bob2> pyramid: you could just look at the package description...
[05:33] <mr_t> Hey all, before I go getting super worried has anyone else got odd chkrootkit output?
[05:33] <mr_t> On 2 different Ubuntu installs, I get a whole bunch of hidden processes when gnome is running.
[05:33] <bob2> bugs.debian.org/chkrootkit
[05:33] <bob2> it has lots of known false-positives.
[05:33] <pyramid> bob2, sorry i did not get back with you but i had a strange power outage...it killed everything...but anyway you cannot read package descriptions ...they never give enough info.
[05:33] <HrdwrBoB> pyramid: that's a stupid reason not to read them.
[05:33] <mr_t> Thanks for the link, I'll follow it from there....
[05:33] <pyramid> Hrdwr_BoB, i try to read them..but they never give any relevant info...it seems you have to install them to see what they really do
[05:34] <ficusplanet> How would I edit the boot arguments so that acpi is off?  Do I edit grub.conf?  If so, where is that?
[05:35] <crimsun> /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:35] <bob2> pyramid: erm, sure you can read them.  if they don't explain what the package does, it's a bug that you should file.
[05:35] <ficusplanet> Do I have to run a command after running it?
[05:35] <crimsun> ficusplanet: yes, ``update-grub''
[05:35] <pyramid> bob2, well it says that gtk-qt-theme engine is a gtk-qt-theme-engine...great description
[05:36] <RuffianSoldier> i got Mac OS X working on my x86
[05:36] <pyramid> bob2, the description seems a bit tautological to me
[05:37] <HrdwrBoB> too me it seems self evident - it's a GTK theme egine that looks like QT
[05:37] <bob2> yeah, seems pretty clear...
[05:37] <HrdwrBoB> but file a bug that says the description should say that
[05:37] <HrdwrBoB> if it's not obvious for you
[05:37] <bob2> if you think it's unclear, please file a bug with suggested wording
[05:38] <pyramid> Hrdwr_BoB, well i would say your definition is a bit more satisfactory if in fact that is what it is.
[05:41] <pyramid> bob2, i don't have the foggiest idea how to file bugs...i tried to file one many years ago with bugzilla at mozilla and i never could figure out how to do it..so i don't
[05:47] <bob2> pyramid: you login.  you click "Enter a new bug report" and fill in the boxes.
[05:47] <pyramid> bob2, what i saw was an endless matrix of empty boxes...forget it
[05:47] <bob2> pyramid: it's really not that hard.
[05:47] <bob2> easy than whining on IRC, even.
[05:47] <Tux_Rox> I have a small Ubuntu issue I can't seem to resolve. I don't get GDM loading after the system boots. I have to run startx. If I try to configure GDM, I'm told there is no such user. If I add gdm as I user I am required to give a home directory. Any advise?
[05:47] <bob2> Tux_Rox: is it a new install or an upgrade from Debian?
[05:47] <FX|Laptop> Hello
[05:47] <Tux_Rox> bob2: New install, but with cavets. I have Windows and Fedora on the system. I chose to not install a bootloader, then modified FC's Grub to boot.
[05:47] <FX|Laptop> Anyone give me a hand again. :) I know that kde isn't really supported, but I'm trying to burn an iso with k3b and the setup won't take my root password. Any ideas?
[05:47] <pyramid> bob2, i am not whining bob..i just don't care to subject myself to that kind of crap...forget it..it is not important to me...i can live with a few bugs.
[05:47] <bob2> Tux_Rox: that shouldn't affect it.  did you modify gdm's config file or anything?
[05:47] <HrdwrBoB> pyramid: filing bugs on packages helps everyone
[05:47] <bob2> FX|Laptop: have you set a root password?
[05:47] <aitrus> FX|Laptop: i had that same issue... i just ran k3bsetup as root using sudo
[05:47] <Tux_Rox> bob2: I was going to, but without a gdm user, I'm not too sure what to change the default user to.
[05:47] <bob2> Tux_Rox: you don't need a gdm user.
[05:47] <bob2> Tux_Rox: just installing gdm will set everything up for you.
[05:47] <FX|Laptop> Yea I set root's password, but I'll try that running k3b as sudo once and see what happens.
[05:47] <HrdwrBoB> FX|Laptop: using sudo is recommended
[05:48] <Tux_Rox> ok, nice to know. GDM is installed though. What in the init or X start up scripts should I modify to make GDM come up at boot?
[05:48] <HrdwrBoB> Tux_Rox: if gdm is installed and you're at a console, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start should start GDM
[05:48] <HrdwrBoB> what happens if you do that?
[05:48] <Tux_Rox> HrdwrBoB, Have not tried. Once Synaptic gets done updating the system I'll try. THX!
[05:49] <pyramid> Hrdwr_BoB, i try to help in other ways that i can understand somewhat...that bug stuff is far beyond me...
[05:49] <HrdwrBoB> tux:cool, if there's an error, then there's a problem with gdm, if it works, it might just be that's it's not loading gdm on boot for some reason
[05:50] <Tux_Rox> HrdwrBoB, Didn't dawn on me that GDM is a service. You'd think that RHCE diploma on my wall would count for something!!! ;-)
[05:50] <aitrus> Tux_Rox: it's a service in RedHat as well...
[05:51] <Tux_Rox> aitrus, EXACTLY! Doh!
[05:51] <aitrus> hahahahahah
[05:51] <HrdwrBoB> perhaps redhat need to examine their curriculum :)
[05:51] <HrdwrBoB> I'll have a chat to a mate who's a redhat trainer
[05:52] <Tux_Rox> Well, it has been 3 years since I took it and my last job was Windows XP Desktop goodness.... if you could call it that. Now that I'm in an Itanium lab, It's mostly Linux and HP-UX, thank God!!!!
[05:52] <jewdan> can someone help me remove old versions of glib?
[05:53] <HrdwrBoB> jewdan: if you've upgraded using apt or dpkg etc they should be reomved
[05:53] <HrdwrBoB> what exactly is the problem?
[05:53] <Tux_Rox> So should I go for the Popularity Contest? Sounds like a cool idea.
[05:53] <HrdwrBoB> Tux_Rox: ah, excellent :)
[05:53] <jewdan> *** 'glib-config --version' returned 1.2.9, but GLIB (1.2.10)
[05:53] <jewdan> *** was found! If glib-config was correct, then it is best
[05:53] <jewdan> *** to remove the old version of GLIB.
[05:53] <jewdan> etc..
[05:53] <Tux_Rox> HrdwrBoB, Heaven on Earth!!!!
[05:54] <HrdwrBoB> hm, that's odd, what does dpkg --list|grep glib return
[05:55] <jewdan> ii  dbus-glib-1    0.22-1ubuntu1  simple interprocess messaging system (GLib-b
[05:55] <jewdan> ii  libdb1-compat  2.1.3-7        The Berkeley database routines [glibc 2.0/2.
[05:55] <jewdan> ii  libglib1.2     1.2.10-9       The GLib library of C routines
[05:55] <jewdan> ii  libglib2.0-0   2.4.6-0ubuntu1 The GLib library of C routines
[05:55] <jewdan> ii  libglib2.0-dat 2.4.6-0ubuntu1 Common files for GLib library
[05:55] <defendguin> good evening
[05:55] <HrdwrBoB> you should probably install libglib1.2-dev or libglib2.0-dev
[05:56] <jewdan> uh, how do i do that? (newbie obviously)
[05:56] <HrdwrBoB> you can use synaptic
[05:56] <HrdwrBoB> or you can run sudo apt-get install libglib1.2-dev
[05:57] <HrdwrBoB> synaptic is probably an easier way
[05:57] <aitrus> does the "find toolbar" in firefox work for anyone?  mine doesn't actually go to the next instance of a word.  i have to highlight the words instead and scroll
[05:58] <WW_> aitrus: What version do you have?
[05:59] <aitrus> WW_: 0.99_1.0PR.1-0
[05:59] <aitrus> WW_: (the latest Ubunutu package)
[06:02] <WW_> aitrus: Try this: under Edit->Preferences, select Advanced, and in the Accessibility section, check "Use Find As You Type"
[06:02] <burner> or just use "/"
[06:03] <aitrus> that works
[06:03] <aitrus> thanks
[06:03] <CoolChEEzE> anything special on configuring the g-desklets package... normal things seem not to work for me
[06:04] <elmaya> why
[06:04] <CoolChEEzE> well i dunno why
[06:04] <CoolChEEzE> hehe
[06:04] <CoolChEEzE> thats why i asked
[06:05] <bob2> CoolChEEzE: run it and start up the applets
[06:05] <CoolChEEzE> bob2, yeah.. i tried that
[06:05] <bob2> CoolChEEzE: and?
[06:05] <bob2> aitrus: f3 goes to the next match for me
[06:05] <CoolChEEzE> cannot add display
[06:05] <CoolChEEzE> the file does not exist
[06:05] <bob2> that's the error you get?
[06:05] <CoolChEEzE> bob2, yeah
[06:06] <bob2> CoolChEEzE: from nautilus or gdesklets?
[06:06] <CoolChEEzE> gdesklets
[06:06] <CoolChEEzE> 'the display could not be added because the file does not exist'
[06:07] <bob2> how about if you do it manually?
[06:07] <elmaya> gdesklets name.display
[06:07] <CoolChEEzE> bob2, that is manually
[06:07] <CoolChEEzE> from the console
[06:09] <bob2> CoolChEEzE: sure you're giving the correct path?
[06:09] <bob2> (have you used gdesklets on other distros?)
[06:09] <CoolChEEzE> bob2, no
[06:09] <CoolChEEzE> i just read the man page... and a how2
[06:09] <CoolChEEzE> i was a gkrellm kinda guy
[06:09] <CoolChEEzE> wanted to try out gdesklets
[06:10] <CoolChEEzE> im fairly new to gnome as well... i been a E user for like 5 years
[06:10] <CoolChEEzE> ^^ or more
[06:11] <jewdan> how do i use synaptic to install libraries i have in tar form? can i?
[06:11] <bob2> jewdan: no
[06:11] <jewdan> ok. thanks
[06:11] <bob2> jewdan: what libraries are you after?
[06:11] <CoolChEEzE> bob2, nm .. i got it... im a fool
[06:11] <CoolChEEzE> lol
[06:12] <jewdan> bob2, glib
[06:13] <HrdwrBoB> jewdan: is this a new install of a system?
[06:13] <bob2> jewdan: glib is in Ubuntu,
[06:13] <bob2> CoolChEEzE: ah, cool
[06:13] <jewdan> not the latest version. im installing something else that needs it
[06:13] <HrdwrBoB> ok hangon, better idea, jewdan what do you want to install that needs glib
[06:14] <bob2> jewdan: what are you installing?
[06:15] <fabbione> morning guys
[06:15] <jewdan> well, the eventual goal is to get g3torrent working but it requires other stuff. i needed to get wxpython which needs this stuff i think
[06:15] <bob2> wxpython is in ubuntu already
[06:15] <bob2> you don't need to build that.
[06:15] <jewdan> it said i dont have it
[06:16] <bob2> have you told synaptic to use universe?
[06:16] <HrdwrBoB> ok time for ubuntu on this box, back later
[06:17] <aitrus> i think i read a thread about his somewhere else... but... is there a way to make nautilus not open a new window every freaking time??
[06:18] <Tux_Rox> OK, Resolved GDM. On to the next issue..... Project Utopia..... /proc/scsi/scsi sees the MediaBay 7 in 4, and when I plug in a usb flash drive, it shows up as well, but not in Naultilus. Anyone know why that might be?
[06:18] <bob2> yes
[06:18] <jewdan> does this refer to x86?
[06:18] <jewdan> *** X libraries or include files not found. Check 'config.log' for
[06:18] <jewdan> *** more details.
[06:18] <bob2> google for "disable spatial nautilus", first hit is the answer
[06:18] <aitrus> spatial!
[06:18] <bob2> jewdan: what are yuo building now?
[06:18] <jewdan> gtk+
[06:18] <jewdan> 1.2.9
[06:19] <jewdan> except i just noticed there is 1.2.10
[06:19] <adapt> bob2, its now in the computer -> desktop prefs -> file managment
[06:20] <pyramid> aitrus, yes that is the worst design i have ever seen...it splatters windows all over the desktop when you just go 7levels deep....i don't know why they ever went to a spatial mode
[06:20] <adapt> behavior tab
[06:20] <bob2> adapt: oh, I didn't know there was a visible option, thanks.
[06:20] <jalil> i just installed ubuntu and i like it a lot but i cant seem to get the my cdrom to work.    can anyone point me to a place where  i can get help?
[06:20] <bob2> jewdan: why are you building gtk+?  it's in Ubuntu already.
[06:20] <pyramid> aitrus, but anyway it is easy to turn it off
[06:21] <aitrus> pyramid: yeah, and it seems that "less configurable through the menus" is their direction
[06:21] <jewdan> ok. i have a g3torrent.py file. how do i install it?
[06:21] <asdf_46> Has anyone had sucess in using the lockdown stuff in gnome?
[06:21] <pyramid> aitrus, well i will tell you what i was told...go to file preferences and click the 3rd box
[06:21] <crimsun> jewdan: you can simply run it if you wish.
[06:21] <jewdan> how? i cant
[06:21] <adapt> jewdan, `./g3torrent.py`
[06:21] <crimsun> jewdan: /usr/bin/env python g3torrent.py
[06:21] <jewdan> if this works im going to have to shoot myself
[06:23] <jewdan> Traceback (most recent call last):
[06:23] <jewdan>   File "g3torrent.py", line 19, in ?
[06:23] <jewdan>     import wx
[06:23] <jewdan> ImportError: No module named wx
[06:23] <jewdan> this is why i started to build all that stuff
[06:23] <aitrus> pyramid: hmm... i liked that tight layout though... man, decisions decisions...
[06:23] <pyramid> aitrus, go to desktop preferences, file management, behavior and the browse in windows box
[06:24] <bob2> jewdan: no, you need to install wxwindows
[06:24] <jewdan> oohhhh
[06:24] <pyramid> aitrus, no that spatial mode is absolutely worthless...try builing something like glom where you directories are many layers deep and you need to view things...windows are splattered everywhere
[06:24] <jewdan> just google it?
[06:24] <bob2> jewdan: libwxgtk2.4-python - wxWindows Cross-platform C++ GUI toolkit (wxPython binding)
[06:25] <jewdan> eh?
[06:25] <defendguin> jdub, you around?
[06:27] <pyramid> aitrus, anyway try those settings i gave you...it seems to have worked for me.
[06:27] <jewdan> bob2, can you explain what you mean?
[06:27] <aitrus> pyramid: yeah, that disables the multi-windows stuff... but i'm not sure i like the browser-window layout
[06:28] <bob2> jewdan: install that package
[06:28] <pyramid> aitrus, well it solved my problem anyway.
[06:28] <bob2> defendguin: he'll be around later.
[06:28] <jewdan> do i have to download it or is it already somewhere?
[06:28] <defendguin> its ok
[06:29] <defendguin> we were having a bit of a spam situation in #gnome on irc.gimp.net and we needed an op
[06:29] <bob2> jewdan: install it with synaptic or aptitutde or whatever you normally use
[06:29] <defendguin> they have it under control now i hope
[06:30] <bob2> ah
[06:31] <ionrock> hello, does anyone have any good documents for creating a initrd.img for a kernel I just compiled for ubuntu? I am trying to get apm or acpi support
[06:31] <Treenaks> both are in the default kernel
[06:31] <Treenaks> so you don't need to compile
[06:31] <bob2> if you're building your own kernel, it's generally easiest to just not use initrd at all.
[06:32] <ionrock> if that is the case then how do I enable them or configure them?
[06:32] <ionrock> I saw apmd but it says it is not compiled in the kernel
[06:32] <Treenaks> ionrock: it's a module..
[06:32] <Treenaks> ionrock: everything's a module, and loaded automagically
[06:32] <bob2> f
[06:33] <bob2> if not, load it manuallly, "modprobe apm".
[06:33] <Treenaks> and "echo apm >> /etc/modules" (that's 2 ">" signs!)
[06:33] <ionrock> Treenaks, so I guess my question then is how can I get my battery applet to work correctly ;)
[06:34] <Treenaks> ionrock: how old is your laptop?
[06:34] <ionrock> pretty old, it is from 2000 I think
[06:34] <Treenaks> ah
[06:34] <ionrock> a dell inspiron 5000
[06:34] <Treenaks> you should pass "acpi=force" on the kernel command line
[06:34] <ionrock> I was able to get it "hibernate" with win2k
[06:35] <ionrock> I would do that in grub right?
[06:35] <Treenaks> you can do that by adding that at the end of the "# kopt=" line in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:35] <Treenaks> ionrock: dmesg | grep too\ old should tell you if acpi is disabled
[06:35] <Treenaks> ionrock: after editing menu.lst, run update-grub and reboot
[06:36] <asdf_46> I am supprised it doesn't just work, On the 5100 it is like magic. The batt applet anyway.
[06:37] <Treenaks> asdf_46: it just works, but ACPI disables itself on old hardware, because there is a lot of old hardware with ACPI bugs
[06:37] <asdf_46> Treenaks, is that why descent support is always lagging, buggy hardware that is?
[06:37] <bob2> does any hardware actually implement ACPI properly?
[06:38] <Tux_Rox> So, volume control applet does not see an audio device. It seems that all the drivers are loaded, so I'm stumped......
[06:38] <Treenaks> asdf_46: current hardware is mostly OK
[06:38] <Treenaks> bob2: my laptop doesn't have any errors in its acpi tables, and everything works fine (ACPI 1.0 though)
[06:38] <pyramid> ionrock, well win2k costs a small fortune so why complain because you don't get as much with free software....at least you get some things
[06:39] <asdf_46> but I do miss the viruses...
[06:40] <ionrock> oh, i just meant that it worked... and I have seen more than enough proof that it works well with linux so I was just making it clear that it was possible "physically"
[06:40] <bob2> Treenaks: suspend even?
[06:41] <ionrock> Treenaks, won't update-grub though rewrite my grub file?
[06:41] <pyramid> ionrock, well anything is possible if you want to dig for it...but your time may cost you more than paying someone else like MS to do it for you...anyway...since this stuff is all free people should stop complaining
[06:41] <asdf_46> Wasn't there a place you could fill out a survey of how ubutu works.
[06:41] <ionrock> pyramid, I totally agree... no complaints here. I like the fonts way better anyways than on win2k
[06:42] <pyramid> ionrock, yes that is the spirit...just let go of earthly things...so what if you don't have a zillion features like MS...who cares ...who uses them...and why pay for what you don't need.
[06:43] <defendguin> do you have to do anything after turning on dma? or it will just use dma from there on out?
[06:44] <crimsun> via hdparm? it's immediat.
[06:44] <crimsun> +e
[06:44] <defendguin> good deal
[06:45] <daniels> pyramid: please continue this conversation in #offtopic
[06:46] <jewdan> i still can install a .deb file
[06:46] <ionrock> this may be a bit dumb, but when adding the acpi=force to the kernel options in my menu.lst, what is the format with regard to spaces and things
[06:47] <ionrock> I already have root=/dev/hda1 ro
[06:48] <SuperL4g> tseng: I hosed my main Gentoo install today, with depclean. :/
[06:48] <florin> how can I found gnome-mime-types-files for configuration
[06:49] <Tux_Rox> Need a hang with udev and also audio. neither are working.... :-(
[06:49] <Tux_Rox> hang=hand
[06:50] <Tux_Rox> Need a hand with udev and also audio. neither are working.... :-(
[06:50] <aitrus> ionrock: ...ro quiet splash acpi=force
[06:50] <bob2> Tux_Rox: how is udev "not working"?
[06:51] <WW_> jewdan: Did you mean to say that you _can't_ install a .deb file?
[06:52] <jewdan> yeah my bad
[06:52] <LeeColleton> what is the recommended method for burning iso-9660 cd images with ubuntu?
[06:52] <ionrock> aitrus,  thanks
[06:52] <Tux_Rox> bob2: not sure that it is udev, hal or d-bus, but I have a 7 in 4 Media card reader and a USB disk, and neither are showing up in Nautilus when pluged in, yet I see them in /proc/scsi/scsi.......
[06:52] <pyramid> daniels, he has a few problems and i am telling him who cares if this stuff is mostly crap and doesn't work..he did not pay for it anyway
[06:52] <bob2> jewdan: synaptic didn't work?
[06:52] <jewdan> i dont know how to get the file in that program
[06:53] <WW_> jewdan: Do you have the universe component enabled?  (More basic: do you know what the universe component is?)
[06:53] <defendguin> hey do you think we could fix it so when i plug in my flash drive instead of bing called sda1 it could be called "flash"
[06:53] <daniels> pyramid: your conversation on 'let go of earthly things' et al is very much off-topic for #ubuntu.  also, politeness when dealing with others is appreciated.
[06:53] <jewdan> ww: no :(
[06:54] <pyramid> daniels, i am being polite...i did not degrade him...i am enlightening him to make use of whatever crap he can find for free as best as he can instead of complaining that it doesn't work as well as MS software
[06:54] <WW_> jewdan: First, here's a quick read: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[06:55] <jewdan> ok, thanks for your help. going to bed for now.
[06:56] <jewdan> ill continue work in the morning
[06:57] <ionrock> pyramid, just to be clear, I wasn't complaining. I have found that with a little effort linux has offered many more features that I can use. Ubuntu has done a great job at making it easy to configure and use while keeping the power of debian that I like. For this reason I would not call ubuntu crap or any other distro I have tried
[06:58] <RuffianSoldier> Mine Linux is ien funterbox ist is so fun to use!
[06:58] <Anes> got a question for you guys. i have to use expert mode on the installer to disable the extra IDE kernel modules, else it hangs
[06:59] <Anes> is there any way to disable the non-generic IDE modules in simple mode?
[06:59] <florinan> Hi, How can I found gnome-mime-types in order to configure ?
[06:59] <RuffianSoldier> IDE has been replaced with HNE, it looks likefirewire, but for the inside of your case
[07:00] <Anes> it's an IDE system.
[07:02] <WW_> LeeColleton: nautilus worked for me.  Right-click, select "Write to Disc"
[07:03] <bob2> jewdan: libwxgtk2.4-python, install it.
[07:04] <SuperL4g> Can you run concurrent apt-get's?
[07:04] <SuperL4g> or is that bad, just like it is with Gentoo's emerge? :)
[07:05] <Anes> ok, i'll ask again. i'm trying to install, and would prefer the simple 'linux' install to the 'expert' kernel
[07:05] <Anes> but one of the extra IDE modules that get loaded makes my system hang after detection.
[07:05] <Anes> so is there some option to pass to the 'linux' kernel to ignore the extra IDE modules?
[07:07] <LeeColleton> WW_: My firewire cdrom will crash nautilus and 'cdrecord -scanbus' doesn't show it.  This is weird because it worked with the debian version of cdrecord
[07:09] <WW_> LeeColleton: Ah, well for help with that, keep poking the experts.  And file a bug report!
[07:15] <WW_> LeeColleton: Well then, keep poking yourself until it works  :-)
[07:15] <SuperLag> Is there a way to pass your essid/wep info to your wireless interface before it starts, so you don't have to do it manually every time?
[07:16] <bob2> you can set it in /etc/network/interfaces
[07:18] <WW_> SuperLag: See also question 5: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[07:21] <SuperLag> WW_: _excellent_, thank you
[07:22] <SuperLag> WW_: are you one of the Ubuntu devs?
[07:23] <WW_> SuperLag: Not even close!
[07:24] <neuro_> "Need to get 97.1MB/394MB of archives. After unpacking 1218MB will be used."
[07:24] <SuperLag> :)
[07:24] <neuro_> Wheeee! :)
[07:25] <calc> neuro_: hi :)
[07:25] <WW_> SuperLag: I've just been hanging out here while I work out the bugs in my new ubuntu system.
[07:25] <neuro_> calc: i'm not *that* neuro, in case you're wondering
[07:25] <calc> ah ok
[07:26] <neuro_> ryan blagged that nick before I did, even though I think we've both been using the same online moniker for about the same length of time (~ 10 years)
[07:26] <calc> heh
[07:26] <neuro_> and he got quite snotty about my using neuro_ i must say!
[07:26] <SuperLag> has IRC been around for that long?
[07:26] <neuro_> SuperLag: being online and calling yourself "neuro" doesn't necessarily equate to irc :)
[07:27] <calc> SuperLag: for about 15-16 years now
[07:27] <neuro_> i.e. email, talkers, shell accounts, etc
[07:27] <calc> i used irc for ~ 10 years now
[07:27] <neuro_> talkers were more fun :)
[07:31] <TheMonoTone> I wish bugzilla were a little easier and quicker to report bugs to...
[07:31] <TheMonoTone> seems like I have to go through loops
[07:33] <neuro_> mmm, debbugs
[07:34] <WW_> TheMonoTone: File a bug about it :-)
[07:34] <neuro_> :))
[07:34] <WW_> TheMonoTone: (seriously!)
[07:38] <ionrock> I tried booting with acpi=force and I think there is an error loading the acpi module
[07:39] <ionrock> I did dmesg | grep acpi and I get a few linesthat don't make a lot of sense and then I get two lines that mention an unknown symbol. any ideas where to start tracking down the issue?
[07:45] <stratking> ok folks, any willing to help me out w/ another wireless problem?
[07:45] <stratking> i had an orinoco gold card that for whatever reason ubuntu wasn't detecting
[07:45] <stratking> so i tried it in knoppix and it still didn't work
[07:46] <stratking> i then borrowed my friends netgear ma401 which has worked w/ most distros we've tried
[07:46] <stratking> i threw it in the machine and the link light turns on which the orinoco never did
[07:46] <stratking> but still nothing, iwconfig doesn't show anything and cardinfo comes up w/ unsupported card
[07:47] <stratking> i figured what the hell and booted knoppix and cardinfo detected the card just fine and it automatically connected me to my network
[07:47] <stratking> anyone have any idea what might be going on?
[07:47] <stratking> please
[07:47] <stratking> :)
[07:49] <mwilson> Other than Ubunto isn't Knoppix?
[07:49] <SuperLag> mwilson: pfft :)
[07:49] <SuperLag> mwilson: you lurker, you :)
[07:49] <SuperLag> stratking: what card is it?
[07:49] <SuperLag> mwilson: how goes it?
[07:49] <stratking> yeah, i was just testing it to make sure it wasn't the card or something
[07:50] <stratking> its the netgear ma401
[07:50] <mwilson> SuperLag: <shrug> Just watching.
[07:51] <ionrock> I think I got the acpi issue for anyone that had helped... let you know in one sec
[07:52] <smeggy> Anyone know how I can connect to the X server in ubuntu remotely?
[07:52] <HrdwrBoB> smeggy: you have to change the gdm options
[07:52] <HrdwrBoB> to allow remote connection
[07:52] <HrdwrBoB> s
[07:52] <smeggy> I have installed OpenSSH, but when I try and connect It tells me "X: User not authorized to run X server, aborting."
[07:52] <smeggy> ahhh
[07:52] <smeggy> gdm didnt think of that
[07:53] <smeggy> how? :D
[07:54] <HrdwrBoB> hangon, what exactly are you trying to do?
[07:54] <mwilson> Hint... he's NOT trying to get a remote chooser.
[07:55] <smeggy> I want to run a remote X session from my Mac OSX box...
[07:55] <smeggy> I've done it before with other distros...
[07:55] <smeggy> I usually just do "ssh -l user host -X"
[07:55] <smeggy> then startx
[07:56] <HrdwrBoB> ssh -X enables X forwarding, startx starts the X server itself
[07:56] <smeggy> Yes.
[07:56] <HrdwrBoB> if you're connected via ssh and X forwarding is enabled, you should be able to simply run applications from there
[07:56] <smeggy> But I get "X: User not authorized to run the X server, aborting."
[07:57] <mwilson> I think he means he connects to a remote and enables forwarding, then starts the local X server.
[07:57] <smeggy> No..
[07:57] <HrdwrBoB> smeggy: try 'gnome-session'
[07:57] <smeggy> I'm running an xserver locally, the remote box is ubuntu..
[07:57] <mwilson> Then why would you use startx?
[07:57] <smeggy> Same thing..
[07:57] <smeggy> I pasted it in the wrong order
[07:57] <HrdwrBoB> startx tries to start an X server - you're already running one locally, you don't need to use startx to start one on the ubuntu box
[07:58] <smeggy> I mean I startx on the local box...
[07:58] <smeggy> I was asking the question elsewhere before.
[07:58] <smeggy> Sorry :)
[07:58] <mwilson> smeggy: Then you ARE doing what I described, so why did you disagree?
[07:58] <smeggy> Sorry, it's been a long day..
[07:59] <smeggy> Heres what I'm doing: starting local x server, establishing ssh connection to remote ubuntu box, attempting to run an X app. I get ""X: User not authorized to run the X server, aborting.""
[07:59] <SNRGuest08> hey
[07:59] <HrdwrBoB> smeggy: even something like 'xterm'
[07:59] <smeggy> Yes HrdwrBoB
[08:00] <Lotmr> how would I re-run the x config tool
[08:00] <mwilson> Sounds more like forwarding is off.
[08:00] <Lotmr> i messed up my x in a attempt for dual montiors
[08:00] <smeggy> Forwarding is on in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[08:00] <HrdwrBoB> Lotmr: dpkg-reconfigure xfree860-xserver
[08:00] <HrdwrBoB> Lotmr: dpkg-reconfigure xfree86-xserver
[08:00] <Lotmr> okay thanks
[08:00] <fabbione> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[08:01] <HrdwrBoB> yeah.. what he said
[08:01] <smeggy> me?
[08:01] <HrdwrBoB> no, wrt reconfig X
[08:01] <HrdwrBoB> smeggy: running xterm should not start X
[08:01] <Lotmr> command not found
[08:01] <Lotmr> or so it says
[08:02] <HrdwrBoB> Lotmr: you will have to prefix that with 'sudo'
[08:02] <HrdwrBoB> so it runs as root
[08:02] <RuffianSoldier> has anyone used a USB Compactflash card reader in linux?????
[08:02] <smeggy> The local box is Mac OSX..
[08:02] <HrdwrBoB> RuffianSoldier: yes
[08:02] <Lotmr> i missed an r
[08:02] <Lotmr> nm
[08:02] <mwilson> I suppose Ubunto could be so messed up that launching an X client would try to start a local X server.  RedHat used to do that once upon a time.
[08:02] <HrdwrBoB> mwilson: it's not
[08:03] <RuffianSoldier> HrdwrBoB, im not tlaking about a pocket USB drive, i mean a reader that you put your CompactFlash card
[08:03] <HrdwrBoB> RuffianSoldier: I know exactly what you are talking about.
[08:03] <RuffianSoldier> HrdwrBoB, is it a hard task to get working???
[08:03] <HrdwrBoB> and yes, I have
[08:03] <HrdwrBoB> no, it's trivual
[08:03] <HrdwrBoB> *trivial
[08:03] <RuffianSoldier> How tribial
[08:03] <RuffianSoldier> trivial
[08:04] <HrdwrBoB> jsut FYI, a pocket USB drive and a CF reader work in exactly the same way
[08:04] <RuffianSoldier> aight
[08:04] <RuffianSoldier> then i have hope
[08:04] <calc> i'm going to give the amd64 netinstall iso a try, maybe the kernel change last week fixed the problem for me
[08:05] <Lotmr> im still getting a no screen error
[08:05] <Lotmr> trying to start x
[08:06] <HrdwrBoB> Lotmr: past the output of X in #flood
[08:06] <HrdwrBoB> also, paste
[08:07] <RuffianSoldier> how small is damn small linux?
[08:08] <smeggy> ~50mb
[08:09] <bestadvocate_> about 50 megs
[08:09] <bestadvocate_> and i believe it all loads directly into ram
[08:10] <bestadvocate_> am i offline?
[08:11] <neuro_> if you are, then we must all be connected to your LAN :)
[08:11] <Lotmr> after  i fiddled with xconf a bit more i got xback working
[08:12] <Lotmr> is there easy way to setup 2 montiors on linux
[08:12] <Lotmr> a tool of somesort
[08:12] <HrdwrBoB> Lotmr: unfortunately not yet
[08:12] <HrdwrBoB> but I can help you
[08:12] <HrdwrBoB> I've done it several ways
[08:12] <Lotmr> well crapshait
[08:12] <Lotmr> awesome
[08:12] <bestadvocate_> :]  im getting my connection in odd waves
[08:12] <Lotmr> lemme switch back to the other comp now that i got x back up
[08:13] <Darknite> I am having a hard time getting remote computers to connect to my ubuntu box's printers
[08:13] <Darknite> any ideas
[08:13] <Darknite> btw I am using cups on them
[08:13] <mwilson> Define "hard time".
[08:13] <Lotmr> ok back
[08:14] <Lotmr> so where do i start
[08:14] <Darknite> mwilson, can not get it to work
[08:14] <bestadvocate_> say i was trying to get libdvdcss on this system, do you have to get another debian server to get a dvd player from apt-get?
 Does Ubuntu broadcast its printers?  I know it doesn't accept broadcasts.
[08:14] <HrdwrBoB> bestadvocate_: http://hpisi.nerim.net/ your legality may vary
[08:14] <HrdwrBoB> use debian testing as the source
[08:15] <Lotmr> HrdwrBoB quick note
[08:15] <Darknite> hmmm
[08:15] <Lotmr> at this time my other monitor is wiggin out
[08:15] <Lotmr> so i turned off the screen
[08:15] <mwilson> Darknite: So you didn't look?
[08:15] <Lotmr> because what its doing not cant be healthy
[08:16] <Darknite> no I looked at the conf file and it looks like it broadcasts
[08:16] <HrdwrBoB> Lotmr: how so?
[08:16] <Lotmr> just the frequecy
[08:16] <Lotmr> its flashing red and orage
[08:16] <Lotmr> with splotches of diffrent colors in it
[08:16] <mwilson> Debian's CUPS package doesn't broadcast, so I imagine Ubuntu's doesn't either.
[08:17] <Lotmr> and when it flashes lines appear
[08:17] <HrdwrBoB> hrmn
[08:17] <HrdwrBoB> ok, what video ard(s) ar eyou using
[08:17] <Lotmr> a GeForce 4 4200
[08:17] <Lotmr> with a dvi adapter for 1 mon
[08:17] <HrdwrBoB> are you using the nvidia binary drivers from restricted?
[08:17] <Lotmr> er...i would assume no
[08:17] <Darknite> does ubuntu have a firewall enabled by default
[08:18] <Lotmr> 30 min ago this wasnt installed on here
[08:18] <Lotmr> this is my XP machine
[08:18] <t35t0r> iptables is the firewall
[08:18] <HrdwrBoB> Darknite: no, it's not required, because there are no open ports
[08:18] <bestadvocate_> thands HrdwrBoB, legality seems to be a less important issue now that ive stoped stealing windows copies :]
[08:18] <t35t0r> iptables --flush
[08:18] <Lotmr> i installed linux to develop in Mono
[08:18] <HrdwrBoB> bestadvocate_:  :)
[08:18] <Lotmr> i have a true debian webserver though
[08:19] <Lotmr> so Hrdwr where do i start?
[08:19] <mwilson> Darknite: Well, that answers your question about whether or not it broadcasts.
[08:19] <HrdwrBoB> Lotmr: ok, start synaptic and grab nvidia-glx
[08:19] <HrdwrBoB> from restricted
[08:19] <HrdwrBoB> you'll also need linux-restricted-modules
[08:19] <Lotmr> how do i start synaptic
[08:19] <Lotmr> i usually use command line
[08:19] <Darknite> how can i make it accept print requests
[08:19] <Lotmr> apt-get install x
[08:20] <Lotmr> etc
[08:20] <HrdwrBoB> oh, well then edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:20] <HrdwrBoB> make sure restricted is in there
[08:20] <HrdwrBoB> and apt-get the packages
[08:20] <mwilson> Darknite: Alter the configuration, restart the daemon.
[08:20] <Lotmr> yeah unstable is in there
[08:21] <Darknite> still can not seem to get it to work or atleast the port is not showing up when i nmap the box
[08:21] <mwilson> Darknite: Yes, I believe he said that.
[08:21] <Lotmr> ok glx is installing
[08:22] <Darknite> did I miss something I did not hear anyone say anything but tell me that iptables was not enabled
[08:22] <Lotmr> E: Couldn't find package linux-restricted-modules
[08:22] <bestadvocate_> distrowatch posted a good article on how to go through this process, this is the first system i ever go my Nvidia's to work on thanks to it,
[08:22] <mwilson> Darknite: He told you there were no open ports.  Thus, CUPS is not listening.
[08:23] <Darknite> there just got the port to show up
[08:23] <HrdwrBoB> Lotmr: I think you'll need linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>
[08:23] <HrdwrBoB> apt-cache should show you what's available
[08:24] <Lotmr> -E: Couldn't find package linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>
[08:24] <mwilson> How would firestarter open anything?  If you want an open port, run a daemon on it.
[08:24] <HrdwrBoB> Lotmr: give me a second
[08:25] <mwilson> It's not that iptables is doing all this restricting, there simply are no listeners.
[08:25] <|trey|> mwilson: afaik, by default, all incoming requests are denied... sorry if this is wrong?
[08:25] <bestadvocate_> right about here: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8407&page=4
[08:25] <ionrock> I have to say that ubuntu's default theme is is really nice. I haven't even thought about changing it. kudos to ubuntu and back to more important technical disscussion ;)
[08:25] <Lotmr> hey hrdwr you mean linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 - Non-free Linux <IP_ADDRESS> modules on 386
[08:25] <Lotmr> ?
[08:26] <HrdwrBoB> linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386
[08:26] <|trey|> mwilson: ahh, my mistake then
[08:26] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[08:26] <HrdwrBoB> that's correct
[08:26] <Lotmr> lol
[08:26] <HrdwrBoB> I just fount it :)
[08:26] <|trey|> blah, firestarter is still a nice tool for a desktop distro to include though  :)
[08:26] <Lotmr> ok hrdwr are yiu on here often?
[08:26] <HrdwrBoB> yep
[08:26] <Lotmr> i gotta go to sleep or else school will be hell for me tomorrow
[08:27] <mwilson> firestarter is serious overkill for Joe Sixpack.
[08:27] <Lotmr> im going to let this download overnight
[08:27] <Lotmr> meet you here tomorrow 4:30 PST
[08:27] <Lotmr> pacific
[08:27] <Lotmr> okay?
[08:27] <HrdwrBoB> GMT what
[08:27] <HrdwrBoB> I don't know all the timezones on earth, give it to me in GMT :)
[08:27] <HrdwrBoB> I am in GMT-10
[08:27] <mwilson> Hell, even firehol is overkill for Joe Sixpack.
[08:27] <HrdwrBoB> it's currently 4:27pm
[08:28] <|trey|> mwilson: hmmm, I thought it was about as basic as it could be while still being useful...
[08:28] <RuffianSoldier> its 2:27 where i live
[08:28] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: apart from being entirely pointless
[08:28] <|trey|> Fedora's Firewall tool for instance is kinda useless imo...
[08:28] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB: ?
[08:28] <HrdwrBoB> all a firewall tool will do is confuse people and stop them from doing things they want to
[08:28] <mwilson> That goes along with Fedora being kinda useless.
[08:28] <RuffianSoldier> ITs 11:28 Pacific time right now HrdwrBoB
[08:28] <|trey|> mwilson: never tried firehol?
[08:28] <HrdwrBoB> if you want a firewall tool, install one
[08:29] <HrdwrBoB> Lotmr: ok, it's highly likely I will be here :)
[08:29] <|trey|> mwilson: bah... its hardly different from Ubuntu  :/
[08:29] <HrdwrBoB> RuffianSoldier: thank you
[08:29] <mwilson> |trey|: Uh, *I* was the one who mentioned firehol, so obviously I've "tried" it.
[08:29] <Lotmr> oh well
[08:29] <RuffianSoldier> HrdwrBoB,NP
[08:29] <Lotmr> okay cya hrdwr
[08:29] <Lotmr> thx
[08:29] <mwilson> |trey|: I'm not running Ubuntu, either.
[08:29] <HrdwrBoB> hardly different?
[08:30] <HrdwrBoB> have you ever used fedora?
[08:30] <|trey|> mwilson: bad wording... meant "never tried firehol, whats it like" hence the question mark... sorry...
[08:30] <mwilson> He said it, not me.
[08:30] <pyramid> mwilson, what are you running?
[08:30] <pyramid> mwilson, if you are not running ubuntu.
[08:31] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB: yes I have used it... FC3 is also GNOME 2.8, also kernel 2.6.8... whats so different?
[08:31] <HrdwrBoB> the entire design and philosphy?
[08:31] <|trey|> Other then visually, and package handling, they are not different...
[08:32] <HrdwrBoB> .. and the aqueducts
[08:32] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB: huh?
[08:32] <|trey|> Todd_MA_1975: don't use IRC as root
[08:34] <|trey|> mwilson: you should check out Ubuntu... quite fast... and very logical (albeit kinda bloated compared to how your system probably is)
[08:34] <pyramid> i can't get over how all this stuff is such pure garbage...full of bugs...no wonder it is free.
[08:35] <mwilson> |trey|: Did I say I hadn't "checked it out"?  And please don't make determinations about my own systems.
[08:35] <pyramid> no one in their right mind would pay one dime for this kind of garbage
[08:35] <|trey|> mwilson: I know you use OpenBox etc... much smaller then GNOME  :/
[08:36] <pyramid> no wonder everyone wants MS
[08:36] <|trey|> pyramid: many people would... let me remind you you are using a beta software... its not even released yet.
[08:36] <HrdwrBoB> pyramid: take your trolling garbage elsewhere
[08:37] <SuperLag> pyramid: wow.  such an exceptionally bold troll
[08:37] <SuperLag> be gone
[08:37] <mwilson> Man, I've had him on ignore all day... what am I missing?
[08:37] <pyramid> Hrdwr_BoB, i will be glad to leave..you demons deserve your own fate.
[08:37] <Se7h> openbox ?
[08:37] <HrdwrBoB> correct
[08:37] <HrdwrBoB> now leave us to be demons
[08:37] <mwilson> Se7h: A window manager.
[08:37] <|trey|> mwilson: nothing, he thinks beta products should be perfect or something...
[08:37] <Se7h> yeah
[08:37] <Se7h> but...is it good?
[08:38] <mwilson> Define "good".
[08:38] <|trey|> Se7h: ever used Flux/blackbox? kinda simular...
[08:38] <Se7h> yeah
[08:38] <Se7h> hmmm
[08:38] <mwilson> Actually, quite dissimilar, other than that they all manage windows.
[08:39] <|trey|> mwilson: eh... nitpickiness is lame... for all intensive purposes, to look at each, most couldn't tell the difference...
[08:40] <aj> (intents and purposes)
[08:40] <mwilson> |trey|: Most couldn't tell the difference between metacity and blackbox, either.  Does that make them the same?
[08:40] <|trey|> Actually, I think OpenBox started using GTK? if thats true, it might be vastly different today... last I used it though, I had to look for differences...
[08:40] <mwilson> Uh, no, openbox has never used any toolkit.
[08:40] <neuro_> ooh, ubuntu just made a lovely login noise at me
[08:40] <neuro_> (first time i've installed it on a machine with sound :)
[08:41] <|trey|> mwilson: my bad then, coulda sworn someone said it was going to gtk  :/
 I did not start this discussion, I am no longer participating in this discussion.
[08:42] <|trey|> mwilson: all you had to say was '|trey|: shut up, thanks'... I am pretty good at following instuction  :)
[08:42] <smeggy> |trey|, dance! :D
[08:42] <Se7h> neuro_ lolol
[08:42] <Se7h> ubuntu rokx
[08:42] <Se7h> ;)
[08:42] <|trey|> smeggy: already was  :o
[08:43] <|trey|> well, kinda  :/
[08:43] <smeggy> :P
[08:45] <mwilson> By the time I got done peeling all the annoyances out of Ubuntu, there'd be no point in using it.  It's like the people I've seen in here today asking how to install KDE on it.  If that's what you want, why are you using it in the first place...
[08:45] <smeggy> Ubuntu is perfect for me :)
[08:45] <HrdwrBoB> this is somewhat tru
[08:45] <HrdwrBoB> e