[02:18] <tomfarr> http://ubionics.ru/main.html
[02:20] <andrex> ща как дам в лоб
[02:43] <tomfarr> :Р
[02:43] <tomfarr> я майню миллион
[16:27] <Qwerty710> Всем првет, есть кто?
[16:29] <Qwerty710> вообще никого?
[16:43] <Qwerty710> Всем привет, есть кто-нибудь?
[16:58] <Qwerty710> всем привет
[20:46] <Talikka> I am interested in specially MATE users and localization. I am trying to get funding for projects that decrease digital marginalization by refurbishing old computers with Ubuntu MATE. I have succeeded a little and now something bigger might be forming. Here's a short description of the workshops and Ubuntu (MATE) in general in a few languages.
[20:46] <Talikka> http://akutalikka.vapaavuoro.uusisuomi.fi/kulttuuri/254623-ubuntu-tyopaja-easy-computer-using-and-recycling-workshop-in-hameenlinna
[20:49] <Talikka> I have a workgroup with two Russian friends here in my home town in Finland who use or have used Ubuntu a lot. I also have a similar Somali friend, and friends who speak other languages. They have translated some of my blogs or learning material from Finnish/English to other languages. Is someone of you interested in joining my team? It is not yet official but I am finding useful contacts with whom future cooperation and
[20:49] <Talikka> also official work might be facilitated.


[00:00] <kklimonda> does anyone have idea how does evolution store labels? are they stored on the imap server for example?
[00:03] <kklimonda> hmm, there is something..
[00:13] <hggdh> kklimonda: they are most probably in the internal DBs Evo keeps
[00:14] <kklimonda> hggdh: I can see them on server actually :)
[00:14] <kklimonda> which is really great - I can probably make some procmail rules to start labeling all mails I get
[00:15] <kklimonda> otherwise I'll go crazy
[00:30] <Darxus> Can I just install the jaunty intel video drivers under lucid?
[00:36] <kklimonda> no
[00:38] <Darxus> Damn.
[00:38] <Darxus> Thanks.
[00:38] <Darxus> If I can't find a better solution to the intel video problem I'm going to have to install jaunty tomorrow.
[00:39] <kklimonda> you can use https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-retro as it has a little older version than lucid
[00:39] <kklimonda> 2.8.0
[02:53] <Darxus> kklimonda: Thanks, but I believe the problem also exists in all of karmic.
[03:40] <micahg> anyone having trouble with frode davidsen changing statuses?
[04:01] <hggdh> not here, not right now, micahg
[04:01] <micahg> hggdh: I have 1 FF bug that he keeps messing with
[04:02] <hggdh> it's personal then...
[04:06] <micahg> hggdh: he's a bug quandry: bug 513058
[04:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 513058 in evince (Ubuntu) "Evince does not print PDF to HP LaserJet 3380 (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/513058
[04:06] <micahg> *here
[04:06] <micahg> we have at least 2 different issues in the bug but it's not apparent to the users
[04:07] <micahg> hggdh: 2 users with kern.log files, 1 has a profile issue, 1 doesn't, both claiming the same issue
[04:07] <hggdh> looking
[04:09] <micahg> hggdh: my inclination is to have the apparmor person file a new bug against the package w/the profile and have the others be triaged separately
[04:10] <hggdh> micahg: I agree. It's one issue per bug, one bug per issue, or we completely lose control
[04:10] <micahg> hggdh: too late :)
[04:10] <hggdh> LOL
[04:11] <hggdh> and oss_test_lp is quite, er, well.
[04:12] <hggdh> bah. schaffen
[04:18] <micahg> wow, that has to be the longest manual response I"ve ever wrote
[04:32] <arand> Would anyone mind (if they find it appropriate) to accept a lucid task for Bug #582035 ?
[04:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 582035 in e2fsprogs (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "User cancel of fsck gives: "fsck.ext4: Inode bitmap not loaded while setting block group checksum" (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/582035
[04:33] <arand> And importance to medium, maybe?
[04:33] <micahg> arand: most of us can't set distro tasks
[04:34] <micahg> arand: you can ask in #ubuntu-devel if it's SRUable and someone there can create a task for you, but it should get into Maverick first
[04:35] <micahg> arand: so you'll either need a merge from debian for maverick or an ubuntu3 upload
[04:35] <arand> micahg: Yea, I'm just waiting for the automatic sync, since the new release is in debian unstable, that should get pulled down right?
[04:35] <micahg> arand: no, it's a merge as we have changes
[04:36] <arand> micahg: Ah, hmm, so a merge request to be filed for that?
[04:36] <micahg> arand: yes
[04:38] <micahg> arand: it'll happen eventually
[04:38] <micahg> arand: seems like keybuk has been doing the merges
[04:41] <arand> micahg: Yes I figured, although I guessed it would be automatic, I'll just get the debdiff in order for the SRU for now then, and leave it hanging until the merge is done. (And request the merge)
[04:41] <micahg> arand: you don't have to wait for the merge, you can add the debdiff as ubuntu3 and have it sponsored to maverick
[04:43] <arand> micahg: Ok.. (experience otherwhere seemed to indicate that merging were preferred, but I guess I'll try)
[04:44] <arand> Or rather, going  for the new release if it was available..
[04:44] <micahg> arand: preferred, you can ask keybuk if he wants you to do it
[04:45] <arand> micahg: ok
[04:45] <micahg> arand: doing the merge is more critical in universe where there's no one dedicated to the package and I'm really OT here :)
[04:46] <arand> micahg: Ah, that makes sense... (Yea, always seem to slip into -motu territory when I start asking here :)
[09:13] <BUGabundo_remote> One more hole in the street,and I join Alice in Wonderland.Join us for tea!
[11:07] <arunkumar413> hi
[11:07] <arunkumar413> i'm having problem in connecting to net
[11:07] <arunkumar413> seems that the network manager has a bug
[11:09] <arunkumar413> there is a bug in the network manager
[11:10] <arunkumar413> people cannot connect to internet uising huawei EC325 CDMA 1x wireless modem. I request you solve this problem immediately.
[11:17] <baptistemm> arunkumar413, what means "I request you solve this problem immediately."
[11:17] <baptistemm> do you talk the same way to anybody ?
[11:19] <arunkumar413> baptistemm:i'm sorry if i'm rude
[11:20] <arunkumar413> but for the last 4 hours i've been struggling to connect to internet in 10.4
[11:20] <baptistemm> Open a bug is the right way if something doesn't work
[11:21] <baptistemm> #ubuntu-bug is not a support channel for troubleshooting problem but to help triaging bugs opened in launchpad
[11:21] <arunkumar413> k
[11:21] <arunkumar413> sorry
[11:43] <vish> arunkumar413: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingNetworkManager , might be helpful and there is channel  #nm  as well
[11:57] <anoteng> Anybody here familiar with git-bisecting a ubuntu kernel? I fear I keep building the same packages over and over... Anybody care to take a look at my commands and see if I'm doing something stupid? http://pastebin.com/Rfif04jx
[13:13] <PrototypeX29A> hi
[14:42] <victorp> I guys, looking at ubuntu wiki at the moment. I am trying to figure out what is counted as a"Hugged" bug?
[14:43] <victorp> that was suppose to be "Hi"
[14:44] <charlie-tca> Normally, that means action taken to move the bug forward towards the triaged status
[14:45] <victorp> ah, cool
[16:00]  * David-T hugs some bugs.  bugs need loving too!
[16:04] <kangarooo> hello. to what should i file bug that cpu all the time is 100% ?
[16:04] <Pici> What procesing using the cpu?
[16:05] <Pici> *process
[16:05] <kangarooo> ah to thouse? actually there are 2. xfce4-volumed and xfce4-mixer-plugin
[16:05] <kangarooo> both take 40-45%
[16:05] <kangarooo> cpu is P4 2.66 ghz
[16:06] <kangarooo> on this PC ive never cheched System monitor so it was allready since 10.04 came out.
[16:08] <Pici> I'm not sure which, but I'd think it should be filed against the xfce4-volumed or xfce4-mixer package.
[16:08] <kangarooo> ok ill post one bug about both and add ubuntu-bug info to this bug for both
[16:09] <kangarooo> strange is that ive never even noticed any slownes.
[16:14] <jossaq> Hi there I'm new here and I don't know how to start
[16:14] <jossaq> any help
[16:14] <kangarooo> jossaq: dont ask to ask just ask
[16:15] <jossaq> kangaroo: I wanna triage but i dont know how
[16:17] <\vish> jossaq: you can start by reading the Documentation: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs
[16:17] <\vish> jossaq: any doubts , you can ask here , someone will answer
[16:19] <kangarooo> jossaq: also check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport commands to post bug reports with needed info. also check in there section how to enable apport so on every crash apport automatilly makes bug report
[16:20] <PrototypeX29A> re
[16:21] <PrototypeX29A> is there any description of how sound with ubuntu should be working? i'd like to give a problem report which is more detailed than 'sound does not work'
[16:21] <PrototypeX29A> but i hardly know the software involved
[16:26] <bdmurray> pedro_: I'm going to discard the u-d-a e-mail regarding the bug day since it has an error in it.  Does that seem fair?
[16:27] <pedro_> bdmurray, yup, that's ok for me , thanks!
[16:27] <pedro_> kamusin, FYI ^
[16:27] <bdmurray> kamusin: if you want to resend it let me know and so I can let it through
[16:28] <kamusin> I sent a rectification few minutes ago bdmurray ..
[16:29] <pedro_> kamusin, i think he means a new email with the right dates instead of the rectification you've sent
[16:29] <kamusin> well ... I can resend again if is necessary , no problem.
[16:29] <pedro_> that one still contains the title with the wrong ones
[16:34] <bdmurray> I think it would look better if a whole new e-mail was sent to u-d-a as that likely has a wider readership and it'd reflect better on us.
[16:40] <charlie-tca> Anyone else have chewit closing bugs for being more than a year old?
[16:48] <nigelb> bdmurray: re: package removed mail
[16:48] <nigelb> if you can write something that returns links to all bugs of that package, it would be nice I suppose
[16:48] <nigelb> *all open bugs
[16:49] <nigelb> or maybe we can have an html page listing all the open bugs against all pacakges that have been removed and which release it was removed
[16:52] <kamusin> bdmurray, I have sent again bugday announce with the correct date
[16:57] <bdmurray> nigelb: I do have the start of something but I'm also doing a 6 month rotation with the Launchpad Bugs team so it might be a bit before I look at it again.
[16:57] <nigelb> bdmurray: I'll try to take a peek.  can you explain how I can get the lsit of removed packages?
[16:58] <nigelb> you and bryce with lp for a rotation? looks like an awesome 6 months ;)
[17:08] <micahg> bdmurray: who's taking over for you while you're rotating?
[17:09] <bdmurray> nigelb: I haven't played with it in a bit but
[17:09] <\vish> yay , bdmurray or bryce might fix bryce's bug ;p  Bug #279370   \o/
[17:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 279370 in malone "Method for splitting one bug report into two (affects: 2) (dups: 2) (heat: 32)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/279370
[17:10] <bdmurray> nigelb: something like:
[17:10] <bdmurray> primary = launchpad.load('https://api.edge.launchpad.net/beta/ubuntu/+archive/primary')
[17:10] <bdmurray> for i in primary.getPublishedSources(status="Deleted"): exists_in = [] if i.pocket == 'Release':
[17:15] <\vish> PrototypeX29A: have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems for sound problems
[17:21] <anoteng> Anybody here familiar with git-bisecting a ubuntu kernel? I fear I keep building the same packages over and over... Anybody care to take a look at my commands and see if I'm doing anything stupid? http://pastebin.com/Rfif04jx
[17:21] <nigelb> bdmurray: I'll try to poke at it some time over the weekend
[17:22] <micahg> anoteng: #ubuntu-kernel would be a good place to ask
[17:23] <anoteng> I've tried there too. Will try again..
[17:50] <pedro_> QA Team meeting in ~10 minutes at #ubuntu-meeting
[17:51] <thekorn> thanks for the reminder, pedro_
[18:32] <xnox> I might join next hug day for epiphany =) love it
[18:32] <xnox> will be my first hug-day ;-)
[18:33] <hggdh> xnox: welcome!
[18:33] <xnox> shall I just start now? =)
[18:33] <hggdh> yes, you can :-)
[18:33] <xnox> it is 27th somewhere isn't it?
[18:34] <hggdh> yes, it is. But anytime is good
[18:38] <PrototypeX29A> vish: the problem was a mixersetting which isn't shown in "Sound Preferences", but only in alsamixer
[18:39] <PrototypeX29A> i don't know enough of ubuntus 'design' to say whether this is a bug or not
[18:53] <vish> hggdh: the mentors admin will be mentoring or to assign mentors? [curious since we are looking for an asia tz admin]
[18:53] <qense> vish: assigning students to mentors. They can be a mentor, but that's optional.
[18:53] <vish> qense too^
[18:54] <vish> qense: assigning i can help :)   , i'm not an expert mentor ;p
[18:54] <vish> not an expert to* mentor
[18:55] <qense> hggdh, pedro_, charlie-tca: How will we manage the mentor team admins, and is there a list we can add vish too?
[18:55] <qense> vish: yay!
[18:55] <qense> vish: your help is most certainly welcome
[18:55] <vish> :)
[18:58] <pedro_> qense, let's set up a list on the wiki and start email between us, if needed we can set up a lp team and create a ML list there but let's keep it simple for now ;-)
[18:59] <qense> alright
[18:59] <pedro_> yeah thanks vish for offering help ;-)
[18:59] <vish> np ;)
[18:59] <qense> pedro_: Do you think we should keep the mentors as admins for the mentorship team?
[18:59] <charlie-tca> yay vish!
[19:00] <qense> pedro_: We could say: it is allowed for mentors to take students on themselves, but please only do so when you have valid reasons to do so. ?
[19:01] <pedro_> qense, mm, well since now we have the mentors admin team i don't see the value of giving rights to all the mentors there
[19:01] <qense> pedro_: But how then can we make the distinction between students and mentors in the team?
[19:02] <pedro_> qense, simple, mentors are on the bugcontrol team, students aren't
[19:02] <qense> ok
[19:02] <pedro_> and just leave the admin rights to the mentors admin team
[19:03] <qense> ok
[19:03] <pedro_> i'll do that later, now is time to have a late lunch ;-)
[19:04] <qense> have a good lunch!
[19:04] <pedro_> thanks!
[19:04]  * pedro_ -> lunch
[19:11] <PrototypeX29A> is it even worth it reporting a bug which occurred during upgrade, when i got the problem fixed?
[19:20] <davmor2> PrototypeX29A: Yes even if it is just somewhere to post the work around for others
[19:21] <PrototypeX29A> davmor2: problem is, that i don't really know what happened
[19:21] <PrototypeX29A> i have no clue about how it should be, only that it got me confused
[19:21] <PrototypeX29A> and sound stopped working :)
[19:22] <davmor2> that may just of been alsa/pulse being removed for the new version to be installed
[19:22] <PrototypeX29A> davmor2: i couldn't find out what role alsa and pulseaudio play in the sound system
[19:23] <PrototypeX29A> i've been searching for a description of the ubuntu sound architecture, but i could not find
[19:24] <PrototypeX29A> so with every problem i have, i don't know whether it is a bug or just me misunderstanding what i figured out how it should be
[19:25] <xnox> PrototypeX29A, if you can, run virtual machine to reproduce upgrade =_
[19:25] <xnox> PrototypeX29A, if you can, run virtual machine to reproduce upgrade =)
[19:25] <PrototypeX29A> xnox: it does not help, i don't understand the problem space :)
[19:25] <xnox> right
[19:26] <PrototypeX29A> so i kind of gave up on this bug
[19:26] <PrototypeX29A> but i just found another one to keep me busy
[19:32] <xnox> Bug #572377
[19:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 572377 in epiphany-browser (Ubuntu) "No contacts when using Myspace IM on Epiphany in 10.04... Where is the import for Myspace IM contacts on Epiphany? (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/572377
[19:32] <xnox> is a funny one
[19:32] <xnox> Do you think bugreporter wanted to report a bug against Empathy instead of Epiphany?
[19:42] <xnox> is it enough to get the bug from new -> invalid/incomplete/confirmed to mark it as done on the wiki page?
[19:43] <xnox> nevermind got it =) by reading the page again
[19:50] <charlie-tca> xnox: yes, and thanks for helping with those bugs
[19:50] <xnox> it's funny that a couple of bugs are very special case ones, e.g. this Russian website / Spanish website / Swiss keyboard =)
[19:59] <hggdh> xnox: you will be surprised on how many bugs come from i18n
[20:10] <xnox> enough of bughugging for me for now =)
[22:16] <Kim83> hi, i found a bug while upgrading to lucid, but it's not related to a specific package. it's a problem with the upgrade process itself. can somebody please tell me how to report it?
[22:18] <Kim83> it set permissions for /bin/mount to 000, so it's kinda serious;)
[22:19] <micahg> Kim83: update-manager would be the package then
[22:19] <Kim83> isn't that just the gui?
[22:20]  * micahg thought it handled everything
[22:20]  * micahg goes and checks
[22:20] <micahg> Kim83: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage#When%20upgrading%20Ubuntu%20%28or%20derivatives%29
[22:21] <Kim83> goes and reads
[22:21] <Kim83> thanks
[22:22] <micahg> Kim83: np
[22:22] <Kim83> bye
[22:25] <tawmas> Hi! I need some help to understand how to make progress with two bugs I reported. I think I provided the required information, but they were marked incomplete by an automated script.
[22:26] <tawmas> They are bugs #578894 and #578909
[22:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 578894 in linux (Ubuntu) "Cannot detect AC adapter status and battery charge status on Acer Aspire 4820TG (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 112)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/578894
[22:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 578909 in linux (Ubuntu) "acer_wmi blocks wlan rfkill status to disabled on Acer Aspire 4820TG (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/578909
[22:28] <micahg> JFo: ^^^
[22:43] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/586092
[22:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 586092 in kdepim (Ubuntu) "0x00007fffe957d90b in ?? () from /usr/lib/libkcal.so.4 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[22:43] <BUGabundo> are we sending KDE bugs upstream this early in maverick?
[22:44] <micahg> BUGabundo: AFAIK, it's the same policy as last cycle in that only critical or ubuntu specific KDE bugs are in LP and everything else is fwd upstream
[22:45] <BUGabundo> well, I haven't keep uptodate with kde sync for two cycles :(
[22:45] <BUGabundo> so I've lost track of what goes on :\
[22:45] <BUGabundo> I used to upstream MANY bugs back theb
[22:45] <BUGabundo> oh the nostalgy
[22:47] <tawmas> sorry I got disconnected...
[22:59] <deuxpi> micahg: it wasn't clear for me that kde bugs had to be handled this way (as a new bug triager)
[23:04] <BUGabundo> humm I missed valgrind
[23:34]  * tawmas goes to bed
[23:34] <tawmas> bye everybody


[00:03] <dotpixis> what's a quick way to find the current version of my webbrowser?
[00:03] <nicomachus> what browser
[00:03] <dotpixis> firefox, but is there a way to do it in the terminal?
[00:03] <nicomachus> firefox --version
[00:03] <dotpixis> ty
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> !info libsdl2 xenial
[09:27] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:46] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:47] <cfhowlett> BluesKaj, man WHAT have you been up?
[11:48] <BluesKaj> hi cfhowlett , not much , just the usual trsing etc
[11:48] <BluesKaj> testing
[11:49] <cfhowlett> nice.
[11:50] <BluesKaj> yeah 16.04 Kubuntu. lots of changes to the plasma desktop


[10:07] <delan> Hello, I have been a long time user of Ubuntu and have found it worthwhile to recommend it to some people that I know. However, my local library's network currently uses a large Windows install base. Any tips on how to recommend a switch to free software there?
[10:12] <delan> #ubuntu-maverick


[08:23] <necrophcodr> Is it possible to pass dpkg options to aptitude, like you can apt-get?
[09:18] <soahccc> I'm not very good with kernel related stuff and I had never a problem with it but now is the time I'm afraid. Would there be anything wrong with running 16.04 on a 3.11 driver? I dist-upgraded this server and it can't network anymore and I get ACPI errors in log so I have to assume it's the kernel right?
[09:38] <cpaelzer> soahccc: it is not what is supported/tested so you might run into a random amount of new errors
[09:38] <cpaelzer> soahccc: I'd try the newer kernels if they fixed whatever you are facing as an issue
[09:38] <cpaelzer> soahccc: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[09:39] <soahccc> cpaelzer: Well it was a 12.04 system and I just did a do-release-upgrade (to I assume 14.04? iirc it doesn't go straight to 16.04) and it wont "come up". I started rescue system and the only thing I could find were some ACPI warnings and that NTP can't find a host
[09:40] <cpaelzer> soahccc: ah I thought you are on 16.04 given your question of a 3.11 kernel on it
[09:41] <cpaelzer> the ntp message likely just means no network which matches your former statement
[09:41] <cpaelzer> I usually don't give too much on ACPI warnings
[09:41] <cpaelzer> what is your network setup - I rareley had a case where newer kernels dropped support of HW that worked before
[09:41] <cpaelzer> unless that was a USB network with dkms drivers not building or something like ti
[09:41] <soahccc> The thing is I do have 2 identical servers (same hardware) and one is still working on 12.04. I upgraded a few servers (with different hardware) no issues. And those servers actually had a lot of services running on them. My problematic server is a file server and only has nginx and SSH
[09:42] <cpaelzer> soahccc: what you have to find out is why network is not initializing correctly on it
[09:42] <cpaelzer> soahccc: compare the dmesg / syslog on good and bad server in regard to networking
[09:43] <cpaelzer> soahccc: there must be something your upgraded server fails on in regard to networking right?
[09:43] <soahccc> What do you mean exactly by network setup? it's a dedicated server and I haven't done a thing to what the hoster originally configured in /etc/network/interfaces
[09:43] <soahccc> And yes I guess it's networking. I can't reach it via SSH or ping but cron seems to be doing something according to syslog
[09:44] <cpaelzer> soahccc: I meant what type of network card it is, how it was set up before, ....
[09:44] <cpaelzer> soahccc: and in the log I meant that this card somehow has to fail to be brought up correctly
[09:44] <cpaelzer> soahccc: maybe it just changed names
[09:44] <cpaelzer> and the old config doesn't apply anymore
[09:44] <cpaelzer> you'd find that to soem extend by comparing the boot messages
[09:44] <cpaelzer> e.g. as what device it was initialized
[09:46] <soahccc> at least it's the same exact card in both of them: Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 09)
[09:58] <soahccc> cpaelzer: I compared dmesg of the two servers + dmesg of the rescue system and it seems as that the new kernel seemingly doesn't find the card https://gist.github.com/2called-chaos/c86f0c7eaa4a8cbf2521430b9c656dc0
[10:01] <soahccc> I remember there to be issues with r8169 back in the days (and you should use official r8168) but the new one seems to work fine on the rescue system... Oh those realtek cards
[10:07] <soahccc> Okay for some reason, and I assume it was related to those drive issues, r8169 is blacklisted in modprobe blacklist and it's the only one available... Well i guess this problem is fixed :D
[10:07] <soahccc> cpaelzer: thanks anyways :)
[10:50] <hehehe> hey hey
[10:51] <hehehe> have u seen that PIA lifetime subscription is on sale
[10:51] <hehehe> for 49 something
[10:51] <hehehe> but hmm
[10:51] <hehehe> is it truly lifetime?
[10:51] <hehehe> cause its sooo cheap
[12:28] <necrophcodr> Is it possible to pass dpkg options to aptitude, like you can apt-get?
[12:51] <RoyK> necrophcodr: I don't think aptitude is very well supported on newer versions debian/ubuntu
[12:52] <RoyK> things are moving towards apt
[12:52] <RoyK> dunno if that suports dpkg opts, though
[13:04] <necrophcodr> RoyK, I'm aware, but aptitude has more strict dependency handling which I prefer.
[13:14] <hehehe> hi folks
[13:14] <hehehe> for some reason I cant ssh to the box
[13:14] <hehehe> I logged in via kvm, nothing in syslog
[13:15] <hehehe> maybe it something to do with fail2ban jailing sshd?
[13:15] <hehehe> hi _KaszpiR_  :P
[13:45] <hehehe> messup ips
[13:45] <hehehe> in fact works
[13:47] <hhee> good day. how do you usually monitor .conf files changing over time?
[13:48] <hehehe> you could use auditd
[13:48] <hehehe> to monitor changes in files
[13:51] <hhee> hehehe, how can i see previous version of files?
[13:51] <hhee> in etc e.g.
[13:52] <hhee> etckeeper probably
[13:53] <hehehe> i am looking into it
[13:55] <hehehe> i dont know
[13:55] <hehehe> want to eat so maybe will check later
[13:56] <hehehe> auditd does log who accessed file
[13:56] <hehehe> but to log nature of changes to the file
[13:56] <hehehe> maybe sarnold  knows?
[13:56] <hehehe> :)
[13:56] <hehehe> its rather handy feature
[15:43] <madLyfe> nacc: its tuesday!
[15:43] <nacc> madLyfe: heya
[15:45] <madLyfe> your brain ready for a beating? :P
[15:46] <nacc> madLyfe: yeah
[15:50] <madLyfe> how should we start? state the problem first?
[15:50] <nacc> madLyfe: yeah, from the beginning
[15:54] <madLyfe> i have two usb ethernet adapters that are not being recognized by the ubuntu server installer during the network devices check. if i complete the install w/o setting up a network interface and reboot, i can go into the network interfaces file and manually add the adapter. it shows up in the lsusb list. i dont remember if i had to modprobe it first though.
[15:55] <madLyfe> what that means is the modules are there for the thing to work but for some reason there is a disconnect during the installer. i would to remedy that.
[15:55] <nacc> ok, stop there
[15:55] <nacc> when you say you have two usb ethernet adapters, do you mean you have two different ones? or you have two of the same, and neither work, or?
[15:56] <nacc> not knowing if you needed to modprobe something or not is sort of a dealbreaker :) can we figure that out?
[15:58] <madLyfe> i have two different branded usb ethernet adapters. the name of the adapter is different under ubuntu desktop connection details but they seem to show they are using the same r8152, or whatever that was, module.
[15:58] <madLyfe> does the modprobe matter? if i had to do the modprobe it was after the install anyways.
[16:00] <nacc> madLyfe: well, if you had to do it or not, does matter
[16:00] <nacc> madLyfe: to be clear, editign /e/n/i does not make your device recognized, something else does
[16:00] <nacc> madLyfe: and, iirc, you cannot modprobe r8152 in the installer, correct?
[16:01] <madLyfe> ya i think thats correct.
[16:23] <madLyfe> should i try to modprobe the installer again or after install again?
[16:24] <nacc> madLyfe: i would do both, so we know clearly what works and doesn't
[16:25] <nacc> there is to much "seem" in the above to solve the problem
[16:26] <madLyfe> well im installing to a usb drive on my laptop. im showing two ethernet controllers and those are the built in wifi and the onboard lan.
[16:26] <madLyfe> not the connected usb ethernet adapter.
[16:27] <madLyfe> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Vd2MF8Ry/irccloudcapture870703048.jpg
[16:27] <nacc> rbasak: powersj: do you have time to do a HO to discuss the testing idea we had? (integration testpoint)
[16:27] <powersj> sure
[16:27] <nacc> madLyfe: ok, that's the server installer?
[16:27] <madLyfe> yep
[16:28] <nacc> madLyfe: ok, and if you go back and drop to a shell, are youa ble to load the module?
[16:29] <madLyfe> her is what this config looks like btw. in case you needed a clearer picture https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ULPHYmqD/irccloudcapture1151996363.jpg
[16:29] <rbasak> nacc, powersj: yes
[16:29] <nacc> rbasak: thanks
[16:30] <nacc> madLyfe: wasn't it a server box before? so you this on your laptop as well?
[16:30] <madLyfe> so 'modprobe r8152'?
[16:31] <nacc> madLyfe: whatever the module was called, yeah
[16:31] <madLyfe> im just testing the installer so i didnt think it matters. just trying to get the installer to recognize the adapter shown in the picture
[16:31] <nacc> madLyfe: sure, just trying to understand
[16:31] <nacc> madLyfe: the more you chnage from what i remember/what you say, the harder it is for me to help :)
[16:32] <madLyfe> yes, this is all for the server.
[16:32] <madLyfe> ya, sorry.
[16:32] <nacc> madLyfe: it's cool
[16:32] <nacc> rbasak: powersj: shall we use the standup?
[16:32] <powersj> sure be right there
[16:33] <madLyfe> i believe this is what we did. actually i have all those pictures saved: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/mRQaFwPe/irccloudcapture474510748.jpg
[16:33] <nacc> madLyfe: right, so before and after you modprobe, can you do the `ip link` and show me hte difference, if any?
[16:34] <madLyfe> ya we couldnt get it working from the installer: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/HSKOFuXK/irccloudcapture756594906.jpg
[16:35] <madLyfe> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/aX5fRVTs/irccloudcapture1437707674.jpg
[17:01] <nacc> powersj: LP: #1714539 created
[17:02] <powersj> nacc: thank you!
[17:02] <nacc> nope, not thate one :)
[17:02] <powersj> lol
[17:02] <nacc> powersj: LP: #1715195
[17:02] <powersj> there we go :)
[17:02] <nacc> powersj: and trello card
[17:06] <docmur> Hey guys, I asked this in the linux channel also
[17:06] <docmur> Hey guys, I bought some new external IP's for my server, I added them to /etc/network/interface and I restarted the interface, here is my ip addr list ( editted ): https://pastebin.com/zfPSBCm3 including the ip r list, now that I can see them shouldn't I be able to ping and ssh to those addresses?
[17:16] <Ussat> So, asterik on Ubuntu...tell me its not all compile source
[17:17] <madLyfe> nacc: i didnt notice anything for the ip link. though, im not sure what im looking for.
[17:17] <madLyfe> modprobe for that module was fatal though
[17:28] <nacc> !info asterisk | Ussat
[17:28] <nacc> Ussat: that?
[17:28] <Ussat> Yes, thanks
[17:29] <nacc> madLyfe: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/mRQaFwPe/irccloudcapture474510748.jpg so what env was this?
[17:29] <Ussat> perfect
[17:29] <Ussat> nacc, do I need to modify anything to get that or just apt-get install it ?
[17:30] <madLyfe> that was after a completed server install on the actual server hardware, with usb ethernet adapter.
[17:31] <nacc> Ussat: you need universe installed
[17:31] <nacc> *enabled
[17:31] <nacc> Ussat: then just apt install
[17:32] <nacc> madLyfe: right, so afaict, my conclusion before was still correct ( the one i think you were disputing at EOW). The stock Ubuntu server iso image does not contain the module you need for your USB network adapter in the installer initrd.
[17:32] <nacc> madLyfe: so your solution to fix that is to either use desktop & remove a bunch of packages so that it's server at the end.
[17:33] <nacc> madLyfe: or remaster the server installer ISO
[17:33] <madLyfe> how is it not there if after install i can modprobe it and manually add it to the network interface file?
[17:33] <nacc> *after install* is not the installer environment.
[17:34] <nacc> i'm not sure why that's not clear?
[17:34] <nacc> rbasak: powersj: tests/bin/jenkins-integration-test?
[17:34] <madLyfe> but the module has to be there in the iso for it to then be there after the install completes?
[17:34] <nacc> madLyfe: no.
[17:35] <nacc> madLyfe: or, at least, not necessarily
[17:35] <madLyfe> what kind of sorcery is that?
[17:35] <powersj> nacc: that or a tools dir if you have a collection of stuff that does random things :)
[17:35] <nacc> madLyfe: what do you think you mean by "in the iso"?
[17:35] <powersj> and you could even leave out the jenkins part if you can run it locally
[17:35] <nacc> madLyfe: when I say that, I mean in /lib/modules/ in the installer environment.
[17:36] <Ussat> OK, thanks
[17:36] <madLyfe> i have no idea, i obv dont understand something.
[17:37] <madLyfe> is the needed module just not in the correct location on the iso to be used or soemthing?
[17:37] <madLyfe> something*
[17:37] <nacc> madLyfe: on the iso, is the -extra .deb available? (not avialable to install, but present on the iso)
[17:37] <madLyfe> it has to be there for it to be there after the installer completes. it can just appear out of thin air w/o internet.
[17:37] <nacc> madLyfe: it can be in a package and not present in the installer environment.
[17:38] <nacc> madLyfe: again, be *clear* about what you mean about "be there"
[17:38] <nacc> madLyfe: I'm saying it's not an available module in th einstaller environmnet.
[17:39] <madLyfe> so i just need to get that module to the installer environment for it to use it during install
[17:40] <nacc> madLyfe: *if* that is possible.
[17:40] <nacc> madLyfe: it's also possible for the installer kernel and the to-be-installed kernel to not be the same (I think)
[17:41] <nacc> madLyfe: form the installer, run something like `find / -name 'linux.*extra.*.deb'`
[17:42] <madLyfe> just returned a new line
[17:43] <nacc> madLyfe: so not found
[17:43] <Ussat> nacc, thanks
[17:43] <nacc> madLyfe: do you have an *installed* server image around?
[17:43] <nacc> Ussat: yw
[17:43] <Ussat> That pulls in all the deps etc I assume ?
[17:44] <madLyfe> not currently
[17:44] <nacc> Ussat: yes.
[17:44] <madLyfe> i can run this installer, w/o the adapter(obv), and use that?
[17:44] <Ussat> Making a local (as in on my work system) POC , assuming that goes OK will put it on the esxi cluster in a VM there
[17:45] <nacc> madLyfe: to be sure, 'find / -name 'linux-image-extra.*'`
[17:47] <madLyfe> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/6XdEjfg8/irccloudcapture1090446043.jpg
[17:47] <nacc> rbasak: powersj: something like: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25473445/
[17:48] <nacc> madLyfe: you have a trailing `
[17:48] <nacc> madLyfe: so it is waiting for you to complete the input
[17:49] <madLyfe> just enter again?
[17:49] <nacc> madLyfe: ctrl+C and don't put the ` in
[17:49] <madLyfe> oh
[17:49] <powersj> nacc: that works, only need to add checks for exit codes on failure so Jenkins knows to pass or fail.
[17:50] <madLyfe> ctrl+c isnt doing its job
[17:51] <madLyfe> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/plRLSak1/irccloudcapture52227506.jpg
[17:52] <nacc> powersj: if i `set -e` it, that should be sufficient, right?
[17:52] <powersj> nacc: yes
[17:52] <nacc> madLyfe: right, becuase you are *still* in the subshell
[17:52] <nacc> madLyfe: so `<enter>
[17:52] <nacc> it will probably complain
[17:53] <nacc> powersj: thanks
[17:53] <madLyfe> nah it got me to regular command entry. did the last string you posted and it just returned a new line as well
[17:56] <nacc> madLyfe: `ls -ahl /pool/main/l/linux/linux-image*.deb`
[17:57] <nacc> madLyfe: and/or (sorry typo'd above) `find / -name linux-image-extra*`
[17:58] <madLyfe> so not this? ls -ahl /pool/main/l/linux/linux-image*.deb
[17:59] <nacc> madLyfe: either of them
[17:59] <nacc> (hence and/or)
[17:59] <nacc> madLyfe: they give us the same info, i expect
[18:00] <madLyfe> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/fUo00FU0/irccloudcapture488449475.jpg
[18:01] <nacc> madLyfe: ok, so do a `dpkg -i /cdrom/pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-extra/4.4.0-87-generic_4.4.0-87.110_amd64.deb; modprobe r8152`
[18:01] <nacc> the dpkg *may* fail, i'm not sure, it depends on the deps
[18:05] <madLyfe> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/6D9pqmo3/irccloudcapture1293490634.jpg
[18:05] <madLyfe> no idea why it was cutting off text like that
[18:09] <nacc> madLyfe: i forget how to install packages in the installer, you might have to let the installer go a bit further so the env is more setup than where you're at
[18:10] <nacc> powersj: --^ do you recall? this is a .deb that's present on the iso, but not part of the installer env itself
[18:11] <powersj> nacc: trying to add a package to the installer it self or in the target?
[18:11] <nacc> powersj: installer itself
[18:11] <nacc> powersj: in this case, the installer (to use network) needs the -extra package installed so that it can use a specific kernel module in it
[18:14] <powersj> ah, I haven't had to do that before, but busybox doesn't come with much
[18:14] <nacc> yeah
[18:15] <nacc> i think dpkg will 'become' available once the installer env is setup (that hapens right after network)
[18:16] <madLyfe> so this is recognizing the two network interfaces on the laptop, i need to select one to continue?
[18:18] <nacc> madLyfe: yeah, we want to stop after the step after that
[18:19] <madLyfe> k, i dont have a cable plugged into the lan port, but it was trying to find the link they configuring the dhcp.
[18:19] <nacc> right, you can let it just fail to configure networking like you do when you try to use the usb adpater on your server?
[18:19] <madLyfe> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/WY1HuboW/irccloudcapture1631082337.jpg
[18:20] <nacc> madLyfe: do not configure
[18:20] <madLyfe> k
[18:20] <nacc> madLyfe: and then whenever you can at the next point, stop the installer, and go back to the shell
[18:20] <madLyfe> now its asking for hostname
[18:20] <madLyfe> k
[18:20] <nacc> madLyfe: put whatever for th ehostname
[18:20] <nacc> madLyfe: like i said, we're not going to install yet
[18:20] <nacc> madLyfe: but we want it to setup the installer env
[18:21] <madLyfe> ok at the shell
[18:21] <nacc> madLyfe: `which dpkg`
[18:21] <madLyfe> which: not found
[18:22] <nacc> madLyfe: bah `ls -ahl /usr/bin/dpkg`
[18:22] <madLyfe>  /ush/bin/dpkg: not such file or dir
[18:23] <nacc> madLyfe: was that a typo? (ush)
[18:23] <nacc> madLyfe: hopefully you just undersatnd what i'm trying to do
[18:23] <nacc> madLyfe: is dpkg avialable/
[18:23] <nacc> madLyfe: if it is, we cna try to install the package like before
[18:24] <nacc> madLyfe: if not, go to the next step in the installer and try again
[18:24] <madLyfe> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/uIyLCWJm/irccloudcapture946100515.jpg
[18:25] <nacc> madLyfe: ok, so follow what i just said
[18:26] <madLyfe> i just went through the user setup, timezone, and am not at the partitioner. will go back to shell now
[18:27] <madLyfe> still no such file or dir
[18:28] <nacc> madLyfe: can you just run 'dpkg'?
[18:29] <madLyfe> dpkg: not found
[18:29] <nacc> madLyfe: ok, keep going then
[18:32] <madLyfe> partitioning disk and its installing the system now
[18:33] <nacc> madLyfe: ok, i think you can hit cancel (if poss.) and drop to the shell, maybe
[18:33] <madLyfe> lol what is the cancel button?
[18:33] <nacc> madLyfe: i'm wondering now if possibly dpkg is never available in the installer, but in the to-be-installed system (e.g., /target or whatever)
[18:36] <madLyfe> its not letting me alt-f back to get to shell anymore
[18:36] <madLyfe> just continues on with the install if i press that
[18:40] <madLyfe> its at the grub installer right now
[18:57] <madLyfe> so we are kinda back to square 1, nacc?
[18:57] <nacc> madLyfe: i think the simples solution is to just remaster the iso
[18:58] <nacc> madLyfe: basically, modify the initrd on the usb
[19:04] <madLyfe> is that difficult?
[19:05] <nacc> madLyfe: not especially, afaict.
[19:06] <nacc> madLyfe: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Initramfs
[19:06] <nacc> i think that's roughly correct
[19:06] <nacc> madLyfe: basically, tkae your existing usb, cp the initrd used by the installer to /tmp
[19:06] <nacc> extract it
[19:06] <nacc> add the one driver you need to the extracted initrd
[19:06] <nacc> recompress it
[19:07] <nacc> and put that initrd on your usb
[19:12] <madLyfe> probably start from ubuntu desktop?
[19:12] <nacc> madLyfe: hrm?
[19:12] <nacc> madLyfe: you need to be on linux to do the above, yes
[19:12] <nacc> madLyfe: it shouldn't matter if you are on desktop or server
[19:12] <madLyfe> ya, just booted up the live usb
[19:29] <madLyfe> downloading the server iso to a clean usb stick from ubuntu desktop, nacc
[19:29] <nacc> madLyfe: wait
[19:29] <nacc> madLyfe: well, i guess that's fine, ok
[19:31] <madLyfe> so i have a usb with the iso on it, a usb with bootable installer on it. can use either.
[19:32] <madLyfe> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/WkJArBvq/irccloudcapture235993422.jpg
[19:34] <nacc> you want to use the UBUNTU-SERV one
[19:34] <nacc> madLyfe: so you're going to use the above instructions, using boot/<appropriate initrd>
[19:36] <madLyfe> oh so i didnt really need to download it again since i already have a bootable usb?
[19:38] <nacc> madLyfe: right
[19:42] <madLyfe> ok extracted initrd.gz
[19:42] <madLyfe> but just gave me initrd
[19:43] <madLyfe> extract that as well?
[19:44] <nacc> madLyfe: did you read the wiki page above?
[19:45] <nacc> madLyfe: it's not just a straight gunzip
[19:45] <nacc> madLyfe: you have to use cpio
[19:46] <madLyfe> ya I looked at it but it's pretty foreign stuff to me.. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/20x8LTH0/irccloudcapture1938095891.jpg
[19:53] <nacc> madLyfe: specifically, do this all from the terminal and read the directions starting at 'cd `mktemp -d`...
[19:54] <nacc> madLyfe: honestly, there's quite a bit to learn here
[19:54] <nacc> madLyfe: i've spent about as much time as i can today on it
[19:54] <nacc> madLyfe: i'm sure you can google around and find clear instructions on how to add a module to the initrd
[19:54] <madLyfe> np ty for your help nacc
[20:06] <Ussat> so does anyone know if this:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/asterisk/+bug/1458323 is fixed in 17.04 ?
[20:06] <Ussat> I know there is a work around,  but might move thos to 17.04 if its fixed
[20:51] <Ussat> Welp, 17.04 does not have that bug \o/
[21:18] <nacc> Ussat: can you update the bug with that info?
[22:25] <nacc> cpaelzer: while not disallowed, it's weird to see upload tags in your repository (ntp)
[23:08] <Epx998> how to copy a file to a bunch of windows servers hmmm
[23:22] <powersj> nacc: does this look right? Anything special I have to do? `uvt-simplestreams-libvirt sync release=artful arch=amd64`
[23:22] <powersj> xenial works as expected
[23:25] <rharper> powersj: you need to use ~=(rel1|rel2|rel2)
[23:25] <rharper> otherwise, when you sync, it will remove any release that doesn't match your sync criteria ;
[23:26] <rharper> I assume that's what you're looking for (was non-obvious to me a while back as well)
[23:26] <rharper> this is what I use for syncing daily images: uvt-simplestreams-libvirt --verbose sync --source http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/daily "release~(xenial|trusty|zesty|artful)" arch=amd64
[23:27] <rharper> powersj: I think artful might only be in the daily (since it's not yet released)
[23:27] <nacc> yeah, sync literally syncs local to remote, exactly
[23:27] <nacc> as opposed to one-way, which i suppose is to prune dead releases
[23:27] <powersj> rharper: ah interesting! thanks
[23:27] <nacc> and yeah, yhou have to use daily for artful
[23:28] <nacc> it would be nice if uvt wrapped this for us
[23:28] <rharper> nacc: I agree; it's just a passthrough to simplestreams
[23:28] <nacc> rharper: yep
[23:28] <rharper> that said, the uvt wrapper can suggest/warn
[23:28] <rharper> hence the cli rework we've discussed in the past


[13:47] <jcastro> klattimer: ping
[13:47] <klattimer> hey
[13:48] <klattimer> I just saw the bug come in
[13:48] <klattimer> looking at it
[13:48] <jcastro> rock
[13:48] <klattimer> hmm
[13:48] <jcastro> hey so, sandy overall isn't happy with the indicator situation
[13:48] <klattimer> there's some missing menu items
[13:48] <klattimer> no I know he's not
[13:48] <jcastro> so if you can love this, and love the one that is breaking the fallback for xubuntu
[13:48] <jcastro> that would be swell
[13:48] <klattimer> I'm trying to find the bug in the fallback among other things
[13:48] <jcastro> rock, thanks
[13:48] <klattimer> it's not easy
[13:48] <jcastro> :-/
[13:48] <klattimer> I'm not *big* on mono bindings
[13:49] <jcastro> ok, I think he'll at least be relieved that you're looking into it
[13:49] <klattimer> yeah it's in my list
[13:49]  * jcastro goes to offer himself
[17:16] <Cimi> iainfarrell: I'm going out know, early in Monday morning I'll leave for Orlando
[17:16] <Cimi> iainfarrell: great weekend to you and all the design team, have a safe flight too!
[17:19] <Cimi> seb128: didrocks: bratsche: ronoc: you too! see you next week guys
[17:19] <didrocks> Cimi: enjoy your week-end! have a safe flight and see you on Tuesday :)
[17:20] <ronoc> Cimi, nice one, safe trip
[17:21] <bratsche> Cimi: I won't be there next week.
[17:21] <Cimi> cool guys, my server will stay online, will read everything :P
[17:21] <Cimi> bratsche: oh sad :( anyway cool stuff for the resize grip
[17:21] <bratsche> I'm in Spain next week.
[17:21] <bratsche> Cimi: But I'll be at UDS a week later.
[17:22] <Cimi> bratsche: OT: does widget_class <GtkResize*> style "resize_grip" works to style the grip?
[17:22] <Cimi> which is the right widget match to set up?
[17:23] <bratsche> I don't know what you mean.. what is GtkResize*?
[17:23] <bratsche> The widget is GtkWindow
[17:23] <Cimi> bratsche: I want to match only the resize grip
[17:24] <Cimi> bratsche: in order to make it more sharp
[17:24] <bratsche> It's not a widget.
[17:24] <Cimi> mmm
[17:24] <Cimi> that's a problem for our theming
[17:24] <Cimi> I want to setup something to match only the resize grip
[17:24] <bratsche> Why?  It uses the same function to draw the grip that GtkStatusbar did.
[17:24] <bratsche> Just do it the same way you did before, but instead of GtkStatusbar use GtkWindow
[17:25] <Cimi> so I can use different engines options (engine "murrine" { contrast = 1.2 } ) for example
[17:25] <Cimi> bratsche: but then I will match the whole window and all widgets inside
[17:25] <Cimi> not only the resize grip
[17:26] <Cimi> for example separators or others
[17:26] <bratsche> Well, what did you do when it was in GtkStatusbar?  Did it affect everything that was inside a GtkStatusbar?
[17:27] <Cimi> bratsche: I did widget_class "*<GtkStatusbar>" style "statusbar"
[17:28] <Cimi> that affects every widget inside the staturbar, but they are only progressbars and buttons
[17:28] <Cimi> Imagine I want a red resize grip
[17:28] <Cimi> doing bg[NORMAL] = "#ff0000" would make the whole window red
[17:29] <Cimi> using GtkWindow
[17:30] <bratsche> But GtkStyleClass has a method for draw_resize_grip(), and you're a theme engine author.  This is clearly solvable without making the resize grip a whole new widget. :)
[17:30] <Cimi> mmm maybe not every widget, because I was not using * after the match
[17:30] <Cimi> I know
[17:31] <Cimi> but everything is static
[17:31] <Cimi> I mean I can't send a direct match to the resize grip
[17:31] <Cimi> I'll have to add a custom engine optin
[17:32] <Cimi> there's no difference with draw_resize_grip or whatever :)
[17:32] <bratsche> Let's talk about it at UDS.
[17:33] <Cimi> ok cool
[17:33] <Cimi> bye guys then
[21:38] <Fitzsimmons> where can I find documentation on adding an entry to the MeMenu?
[21:39] <sense_> Fitzsimmons: What type of entry do you want to add? The Me Menu is fully created in its own code.
[21:39] <Fitzsimmons> oh, that seems a bit shortsighted
[21:41] <sense_> Fitzsimmons: Why would you want to add anything to those menu items?
[21:41] <Fitzsimmons> but I'm writing a daemon that allows for putting your session into "private mode" as browsers are calling it now, such that ~/.recently-used.xbel would be frozen, or all new entries would be marked with private, or some such
[21:41] <Fitzsimmons> one of my potential users suggested that a MeMenu item might be a good place to add toggling that on and off
[21:42] <sense_> Fitzsimmons: You'll have to modify the Me Menu to do so, but you cannot extend it using another application
[21:42] <Fitzsimmons> it doesn't fit very well into any of the other menus, and would be somewhat wasteful to have its own App Indicator
[21:43] <Fitzsimmons> I'm surprised; why was the Messaging Menu built to be extensible by other apps, but the Me Menu not?
[21:43] <sense_> It may be something to discuss on the Ayatana mailing list.
[21:43] <sense_> Fitzsimmons: Because the Me Menu doesn't give provide state information from different applications, but gives general system control.
[21:44] <sense_> It was designed in its current form by Canonical and I'm sure it isn t the vision of the DX Team to allow applications to add all kinds of menu items to it when they feel like.
[21:45] <sense_> It would ruin the design and make it prone to cause confusion.
[21:45] <Fitzsimmons> the alternative is having all sorts of applications adding their own AppIndicators
[21:45] <Fitzsimmons> which is the same problem as the notification area clutter except with a new API
[21:45] <sense_> But it doesn't clutter an already long menu.
[21:48] <Fitzsimmons> well, since you're here, where would you suggest I put the UI for a system-wide "privacy toggler"
[21:49] <Fitzsimmons> in an ideal world, that is, independent of available APIs and the such
[21:54] <sense_> Fitzsimmons: The Ayatana mailing list is the right place to discuss the indicator stack, including the Me Menu. I would try it there.
[21:55] <Fitzsimmons> hm, what about the "session" menu that's beside it (with the power indicator), used for shutting down and logging out? what's that called?
[21:58] <sense_> Fitzsimmons: Session Indicator!
[21:58] <Fitzsimmons> haha
[21:58] <sense_> The Me Menu is actually a part of it on regular GNOME Panels.
[21:58] <Fitzsimmons> interesting
[21:59] <Fitzsimmons> so I'm still stuck with taking up the case for extensibility on the mailing list then, eh?
[21:59] <sense_> It's because it's an easy way of getting the order right: they've put the Session Indicator and the Me Menu in one thing.
[21:59] <sense_> Fitzsimmons: Yes indeed!
[22:00] <sense_> Although I don't give you much chance pleading for extensibility, you'd have more chance promoting a system-wide privacy-mode button since that has been brought up before and is one specific thing that can be added in a controlled way.
[22:00] <Fitzsimmons> well, I got laid off today, so I guess I have time for a protracted mailing list flamewar
[22:01] <sense_> Flame wars on the Ayatana mailing list are noted for not getting any attention by anyone with the capability of changing anything whatsoever.
[22:01] <sense_> Flame wars (rightly) go on ignore.
[22:02] <Fitzsimmons> indeed
[22:03] <sense_> Fitzsimmons: Anyway, I'm rebooting now to test some changes to the ALSA configuration. brb!
[22:20] <^Mike> Sadly, what sense_ said about flamewars also seems to be true of legitimate criticism :(


[00:02] <SergioMeneses> snap-l, interesting post!
[00:02] <snap-l> SergioMeneses: Thank you.
[00:02] <SergioMeneses> good evening! btw
[00:02] <SergioMeneses> bkerensa, \o
[00:02] <snap-l> bkerensa: Yeah, and I'm not sure how to fix it
[00:03]  * AlanBell comments
[00:03] <SergioMeneses> Im totally agree with bkerensa
[00:03] <AlanBell> somewhat offtopically
[00:03] <snap-l> AlanBell: Feel free. :)
[00:04] <snap-l> AlanBell: Nice. :)
[00:04] <snap-l> Thanks for pointing him in the right direction.
[00:23] <bkerensa> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/03/07/shuttleworth_ubuntu_leadership/
[00:44] <SergioMeneses> bkerensa, good post!
[01:45] <bkerensa> jcastro: you doing any lunches on the 14th?
[01:45] <bkerensa> of April
[07:48] <dholbach> good morning
[08:21] <bkerensa> cjohnston: you review ubuntu-website MP's right? I just updated some libraries for the loco wordpress theme
[09:20] <vibhav> AlanBell: love your comment :D
[12:44] <daker> Happy "Ubuntu" Women day akgraner czajkowski pleia2 Pendulum
[12:44] <smartboyhw> daker, oh is it today?
[12:44] <smartboyhw> Happy Ubuntu Women day then:)
[12:44] <daker> smartboyhw: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Women's_Day
[12:45] <smartboyhw> daker, ah OK:)
[12:45] <smartboyhw> dholbach, really nice post:P
[13:18] <dholbach> thanks smartboyhw
[13:31] <jussi> any USites here?
[13:32] <jussi> or rather, people located in the US?
[13:32] <snap-l> yes
[13:32] <jussi> snap-l: mind if I PM?
[13:32] <snap-l> Feel free. :)
[13:49] <cjohnston> run from jussi!
[13:49] <jussi> :D
[13:49] <smartboyhw> cjohnston, why!/
[13:50] <cjohnston> because I haven't harassed jussi in a while
[13:50] <smartboyhw> cjohnston, .......
[13:57] <jussi> hehe
[13:58] <jussi> cjohnston: I love you too :P
[13:58] <smartboyhw> jussi, LOL
[13:58] <cjohnston> jussi: I actually thought about you and my boy yesterday
[13:58] <jussi> cjohnston: hrm?
[13:58] <smartboyhw> cjohnston, grrrrr
[13:59] <jussi> cjohnston: you mean when we were spraypainting walls together? :
[13:59] <cjohnston> yup
[13:59] <jussi> ahh yes, that was fun
[14:00] <cjohnston> took a little trip down ubuntu memory lane
[14:00] <jussi> those were the days
[14:00]  * smartboyhw thought these two people are REALLY lovers....
[14:01] <cjohnston> im trying to find the picture
[14:02] <jussi> cjohnston: its on facebook iirc
[14:03] <cjohnston> i thought so too, i dont remember whos account tho and didnt see it on mine
[14:05] <cjohnston> https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/77047_1552991636210_2962653_n.jpg
[14:06] <jussi> ahh yes, that one :D
[14:06] <jussi> we are such awezsome artists
[14:11] <nigelb> corrupting young minds :P
[14:11] <smartboyhw> LOL
[14:13] <jussi> nigelb: yep
[14:15] <nigelb> jussi: how's your little one?
[14:23] <jussi> nigelb: she is good. growing well
[14:25] <nigelb> :)
[16:12] <daker> mhall119: any ideas ?
[16:20] <dholbach> everyone: stop sending me emails! it's not funny anymore!
[16:26] <czajkowski> awwww
[16:26]  * czajkowski sends dholbach some nice tea
[16:26] <dholbach> ah, yes - I completely forgot - I wanted to make a pot of tea 2-3 hours ago
[16:31] <czajkowski> lol
[16:31] <czajkowski> dholbach: almost there, nearly weekend
[16:32] <dholbach> yeah :)
[16:32] <mhall119> daker: ideas on what?
[16:33] <mhall119> wow, nigelb is around?
[16:33] <daker> mhall119: for LTP
[16:33] <mhall119> daker: you mean the deployment?
[16:33] <daker> mhall119: yep
[16:34] <mhall119> daker: we just need to take what's in settings.py that says gives the remote branch, revision, and local directory, and write that down in human-readable form for IS, because they have to do it manually
[16:34] <mhall119> so:
[16:34] <nigelb> mhall119: I'm always around :)
[16:34] <mhall119> Pull revision X or lp:foo into ./ubuntu_website
[16:34] <mhall119> nigelb: always lurking, never chatting
[16:35] <nigelb> For one, I usually keep different timings :)
[16:36] <mhall119> nigelb: sleeping at night, working by day, what happened to you man?
[16:36] <nigelb> Life :)
[16:43] <pleia2> daker: thank you!
[17:01] <dholbach> all right my friends
[17:01] <dholbach> have a great weekend!
[17:03] <mhall119> dholbach: take it easy, relax and unwind
[17:03] <dholbach> you too! :)
[17:03]  * mhall119 still has 5 more hours :)
[17:05] <daker> mhall119: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5596493/ ?
[17:06] <mhall119> daker: that should work
[17:06] <mhall119> they won't be able to just run that, though
[17:06] <mhall119> they pull branches into a staging directory and then do checkouts from there
[17:06] <mhall119> but it should give them enough info to do that
[17:07] <daker> mhall119: ok
[17:07] <daker> mhall119: i'll reply
[17:08] <mhall119> thanks
[17:10] <SergioMeneses> dholbach, bye! \o\
[17:10] <SergioMeneses> hi all!
[17:34] <mhall119> hi SergioMenesesAFK
[19:01] <jono> rrnwexec, ready?
[19:01] <jono> invite sent
[19:01] <rrnwexec> on my way
[19:06] <jono> rrnwexec1, you see the new invite?
[19:39] <cprofitt> darn... misses Randall
[19:40] <cprofitt> hey jono
[20:03] <jussi> is czajkowski around?
[20:09] <philipballew> jono, When is a good time to have another call as we both said we wanted last Friday?
[20:16] <snap-l> jamming to Machines of War on metalinjection.fm (/cc jono )
[20:17] <snap-l> bah, and it ended
[20:17] <snap-l> moar
[21:19] <jono> snap-l, nice :-)
[21:19] <jono> hey cprofitt
[21:47] <pleia2> jcastro: I was so excited about my juju shirt, but it turns out that geek people like to read it and that's not the most comfortable situation x_x
[21:47] <bkerensa> pleia2: wear it backwards... I have the same problem
[21:47]  * bkerensa teases
[21:48] <pleia2> many jokes at lunch about "reading pleia2's shirt" and "no no, I just really like juju!"
[21:48] <pleia2> bkerensa: I am tempted!
[21:48] <bkerensa> lol
[21:48] <bkerensa> it is a nice shirt though
[21:48] <bkerensa> you could frame it
[21:48] <bkerensa> :D
[21:48] <pleia2> hehe
[21:48] <snap-l> Wear two of them, so it looks like oooo
[21:49] <snap-l> (I hope that makes sense, because it stopped making sense 1 second after hitting enter)
[21:49] <czajkowski> jussi: sup?
[21:55] <philipballew> Running the code on the juju shirt does nothing.   He was really pleased to see it being sported on so many peoples chest.
[23:56] <AlanBell> juju shirt?
[23:57] <JoseeAntonioR> AlanBell: if you give me a couple mins I'll take a photo of it
[23:57] <pleia2> I can take one that demonstrates the problem :)
[23:58]  * AlanBell resists inappropriate comment ;)
[23:58] <pleia2> if I could find my camera in this mess


[03:25] <diddledan> birds are noisy
[03:26] <zmoylan-1i> they need quieter keyboards for their tweeting
[06:16] <mapps> hi all
[06:56] <diplo> Morning all
[07:15] <MooDoo> morning
[07:15] <popey> Morning!
[07:15] <MooDoo> :)
[07:22] <knightwise> morning peeps
[07:32] <MooDoo> you ok knightwise
[07:37] <popey> welp. https://dwq4do82y8xi7.cloudfront.net/dailyfx/widgetembed/?symbol=FX%3AGBPUSD&interval=M&hidesidetoolbar=0&symboledit=1&toolbarbg=f4f7f9&studies=&hideideas=1&theme=White&timezone=exchange&studies_overrides=%7B%7D&overrides=%7B%7D&enabled_features=%5B%5D&disabled_features=%5B%5D&locale=en&utmsource=www.dailyfx.com&utmmedium=www.dailyfx.com/gbp-usd
[07:40] <MooDoo> popey: I went to new york nov 2007, but different back then
[07:47] <SuperMatt> popey: don't worry, boris promised he'd apologise if the economy collapsed. Just like he promised all those other things
[07:47] <popey> hehe
[07:48] <TwistedLucidity> !politics
[07:48] <TwistedLucidity> :-P
[07:50] <TwistedLucidity> popey: That's going to hit my employer hard, most of or works is in North America/Canada
[07:50] <TwistedLucidity> "...of our work..."
[08:03] <diplo> Guys, having loads of issues with our broadband at work, keeps disconnecting... up until recently we've not had a phone plugged in ( still the same issues ) but when it disconnects if we go down and pick the phone up it connects back to the net
[08:03] <diplo> Is this sounding like a failing filter or more like an ISP/Connection issue?
[08:05] <SuperMatt> Is this the 90s?
[08:05] <SuperMatt> but it sounds like the filter
[08:06] <TwistedLucidity> Unplug the phone and see if the problem goes away>
[08:07] <diplo> Its only just been plugged in TwistedLucidity
[08:07] <diplo> SuperMatt: bloomin feels like it
[08:07] <diplo> We've already ordered a filter from Amazon, no one stocks one round here close by
[08:08] <diplo> Brand new router too as the ISP was blaming that
[08:08] <TwistedLucidity> Oh righty. Sorry, thought the problems only started *after* the phone when in. Dunno then. Call the telephone provider and ask for a line check?
[08:09] <diplo> Yeah they reckon it's something internal :P so ticking off ALL boxes before we have someone out
[08:31] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:49] <knightwise> morning bro
[08:49] <knightwise> brobostigon:
[08:50] <brobostigon> morning knightwise
[08:58] <knightwise> how are you doing dude
[09:01] <brobostigon> not bad, and you?
[09:03] <knightwise> doin ok :) kinda tired of all of this brexit news.
[09:06] <Myrtti> just the news? that's good
[09:06] <knightwise> :)
[09:06] <knightwise> AND the whole soccer news
[09:06]  * knightwise is getting fedd up with mainstream media alltoghether.
[09:06]  * popey has BBC Parliament on in the background
[09:07] <knightwise> i think i'm turning into a digitally overconnected hermit
[09:07] <popey> quite fun hearing the various European council members throwing rocks
[09:08] <knightwise> I am reminded of George carlins quote : never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups
[09:09] <popey> The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
[09:09] <popey> -- Winston Churchill
[09:09] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Tuesday and happy International Body Piercing Day! 😃
[09:10] <knightwise> popey: true.
[09:10] <brobostigon> knightwise: :)
[09:10] <TwistedLucidity> Democracy is the worst form of government, apart from all the others (also Winston Churchill IIRC)
[09:13] <knightwise> I think most countries these days are in a media-ocracy
[09:13] <knightwise> where public perception (and direction of votes) is governed by he who controls the media.
[09:15] <TwistedLucidity> knightwise: I'd say a demogaogic plutocracy.
[09:17] <popey> I love that european parliament people call Nigel Farage "Mister Farridge"
[09:18] <TwistedLucidity> When did they call him that? He was never there!
[09:19] <MooDoo> TwistedLucidity: he's there at the meeting this morning
[09:19] <TwistedLucidity> That's (almost) a first
[09:22] <davmor2> JamesTait: this is cheekier than normal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylGkm2EHHvE
[09:33] <JamesTait> davmor2, next in the playlist is Don't Fear the Reaper.  Letting it play on....
[09:36] <JamesTait> Oh, and All Along the Watchtower!
[09:36]  * JamesTait hugs davmor2 for kicking this off.
[09:37] <davmor2> JamesTait: you're welcome
[09:39] <knightwise>  JamesTait that song reminds me of "Battlestar Galactica"
[09:41] <davmor2> knightwise: Which?
[09:43]  * JamesTait was wondering the same.
[09:46] <knightwise> the new series
[09:46] <knightwise> all along the watchtower is used in the last season as a major item in the plot
[09:48] <knightwise> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1__dINxiXU
[09:48] <knightwise> (nospoilers)
[10:10] <TwistedLucidity> Season 5 didn't happen. IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!
[10:13] <TwistedLucidity> I quite like the new theme for BSG.  BSG-reboot (or re-imagining) was quite entertaining.
[10:59] <knightwise> Or am I to assume that you file Battelstar Galactica 1980 under "Good Tv"
[10:59] <foobarry> waiting to be the 4M signature on that petition
[11:01] <davmor2> knightwise: it was great, it just wasn't battlestar galatica :)  they could of called it battlestar crypton and it just been another ship escape and I would of been happy :)
[11:09] <knightwise> davmor2: true.  That being said the "2000 reboo" would also have worked if they did the entire series around teh pegassus
[11:10] <davmor2> knightwise: indeed
[11:10] <knightwise> i kinda hated bsg1980. it was too cheezy and I HATED that docter whatshisname kid
[11:10] <knightwise> ps : there IS a movie about the story of the pegassus in "RAZOR"
[11:41] <daftykins> YAY https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caps_lock#International_Caps_Lock_Day
[11:43] <davmor2> daftykins: SHUT UP
[11:43] <daftykins> ;_;
[11:52] <davmor2> daftykins: here have a cookie
[11:52] <daftykins> YAY!
[11:53] <bittin> THATS TODAY I BETTER PRESS THE CAPS LOCK KEY THEN
[11:54] <davmor2> daftykins: you see what you started
[11:54] <daftykins> 8D
[11:54] <daftykins> it's better than certain political topics *cough*
[11:54] <daftykins> ooh-err digitalocean's site doesn't list the new 3.13.0-91 kernel yet
[11:56] <TwistedLucidity> In other key realted news, I finallyfixedmyspacebar
[11:56] <davmor2> daftykins: certain political topics, I just thought Topics were tasty chocolate bars with lots of nuts maybe I'm wrong
[11:56] <daftykins> mmm if only they were cheaper
[11:57] <TwistedLucidity> Loads of nuts in politics too
[11:57] <davmor2> daftykins: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mars-Topic-Chocolate-Bars-Full/dp/B009AZIN96 see I'm right
[11:59] <daftykins> 76p each!
[11:59]  * daftykins does a Ken Bruce
[12:05] <daftykins> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Topic-47-Bar-Pack-36/dp/B003TCQCDK/
[12:05] <daftykins> hrmmmm
[12:06] <daftykins> oh dear oh dear, i think it's a low i shouldn't entertain, to order multipacks of chocolate bars off amazon
[12:24] <diddledan> MORNING
[12:26] <davmor2> diddledan: no need to shout ;)
[12:29]  * diddledan plays the original BSG theme from earlier
[13:33] <diddledan> fun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL9q2lOZ1Fw
[13:35] <daftykins> ooh
[13:41] <daftykins> little bit concerning how long it took them to be denied on the social side
[13:45] <diddledan> aye
[13:48] <davmor2> daftykins: if you have a badge you can walk around most places as long as it looks vaguely like a visitors badge :)
[13:53] <daftykins> well they didn't get that far in that one
[14:08] <diplo> Few people I follow in Twitter do this stuff as a job
[14:08] <Azelphur> I must admit I'm loving the Brexit £ crash, I literally just took a long term contract...paid in dollars
[14:08] <Azelphur> I'm getting £200/mo more than I asked for, thanks brexit :D
[14:12] <diddledan> Azelphur: that's a nice side effect for your personal circumstances. as with most things, some people benefit while others lose-out. "swings and roundabouts"
[14:12] <Azelphur> indeed
[14:12] <daftykins> http://www.qwerkywriter.com/
[14:13] <Azelphur> haha
[14:13] <diddledan> daftykins: omg that's awesome!
[14:13] <daftykins> came up in a 'how to spend it' magazine/paper clipping a client showed me
[14:13] <daftykins> he was mostly showing me one of those 'levitating speaker' things... *groan*
[14:14] <diddledan> those are silly
[14:14] <diddledan> steampunk however is awesome
[14:14] <TwistedLucidity> How to break into almost anywhere: boiler suit (grubby), big boots, hard had, gloves, a machine going "beep", anxious look and (most importantly) gas mask in one hand.
[14:15] <daftykins> perhaps, but if i were manning the ice cream van i'd be giving you a stern look
[14:15] <daftykins> :D
[15:03] <diddledan> ms news site is down for me: news.microsoft.com
[15:03] <daftykins> ok here
[15:04] <diddledan> this is what I see https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ZDDSQFwR/2016-06-28%20(2).png https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/6A5FeDUm/2016-06-28.png
[15:05] <daftykins> yep same IP here
[15:06] <daftykins> interesting that FF screws up the pics under the "Highlights" section though
[15:06] <daftykins> they're like blinds that someone hasn't rolled down to the bottom :D
[15:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[15:18] <daftykins> ugh, someone needs a temporary ban
[15:18] <daftykins> tabland: sort it out!
[15:21] <diplo> joins and quits?
[15:22] <daftykins> mmhmm, and no i don't want to hide them :)
[15:22] <diplo> heh I miss them sometimes when hidden, but the majority of thetime I don't
[15:22] <daftykins> it's important when you give support and stuff, no good helping when they've left!
[15:24] <diplo> tab their name, if it doesn't work they've gone :)
[15:24] <daftykins> not worth the time when you help 4+ at once
[15:25] <daftykins> ah well, at least that one seems to have sorted things out
[15:26] <diplo> I gave up helping in places that busy :) took over my life at times, actually rarely touch machines in the evenings now and only on and off during the day
[15:26] <daftykins> i agree with you there, definitely less and less worthy of time
[16:31] <diddledan> I need moar monitors
[16:31] <diddledan> 2x24inch just doesn't cut it
[16:31] <daftykins> D: sure it does :P
[16:32] <daftykins> guess not for a web dev though
[16:32] <daftykins> have you thought about using virtual desktops, if you run win10 on there?
[16:34] <zmoylan-pi> you just need to make the 2 screens into a helmet so that you're even closer...
[16:43] <zmoylan-pi> in the 90s i thought we'd be using vr helmets by now for day to day use.  or at least projectors to make any wall a screen...
[19:26] <Nokaji> Hi, got me a dual boot with Win8 and need to upgrade - just checking if there are likely issues with this, such as grub corruption - thanks
[19:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Nokaji, no will probably go ok :)
[19:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> what kind of lap top as well
[19:28] <daftykins> upgrading from and to what?
[19:28] <Nokaji> SebthreeBQM10HD: That would be nice :)
[19:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and indeed
[19:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> upgading from what to what
[19:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> win8 to win10 I guess
[19:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but what about ubuntu
[19:29] <daftykins> dude, spam
[19:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dude, daftykins !
[19:29] <daftykins> ...
[19:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !
[19:29] <daftykins> come on eh, just try and use a nice single line like this :P
[19:30] <Nokaji> 6 to 10, yup
[19:30] <Nokaji> 8.1*
[19:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Nokaji, what kind of lap top?
[19:30] <Nokaji> Ubuntu 14.4
[19:30] <Nokaji> SebthreeBQM10HD: It's my home PC
[19:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Nokaji, I dual booted Win 8 with Ubuntu 15.04  upgraded both to laters and ok.
[19:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hp that was
[19:31] <Nokaji> self-built PC
[19:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Nokaji, as I said will probably go ok, but maybe there would be an issue with the uefi or something
[19:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I guess back up, and go for it though after that the upgarding :)
[19:31] <Nokaji> I need to u/g ubuntu too but need to find out how to back up stuff as I also want to swop SSD, which might corrupt win10 when I have it
[19:32] <Nokaji> no uefi, too old on this
[19:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Windows 10 gets tighed tothe computer in it's way
[19:32] <Nokaji> I've heard the ms monopoly (/license) attempts with uefi :)
[19:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Nokaji, ok if both oses are in legacy mode the old thing, I guess even more so, it will probbably work ok
[19:32] <Nokaji> legacy?
[19:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or in your case a old bios, no uefi ?
[19:33] <Nokaji> yup, old bios, using grub
[19:33] <Nokaji> 6yrs old maybe
[19:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> as I said probably go ok the Windows
[19:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> WIndows is the one that might go wrong
[19:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Ubuntu should go and upgrade no problem
[19:33] <daftykins> Nokaji: 100% rubbish, everything is fine and easy with EFI
[19:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> daftykins, he doesn't have EFI though by the sounds of it
[19:34] <Nokaji> I can live with that - been told I can upgrade and then get a key for a frssh win install
[19:34] <daftykins> that's not the point SebthreeBQM10HD, pay attention to my phrasing... i'm not saying anything to suggest the hardware is
[19:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh ok
[19:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Nokaji, if they offered you the upgrade for free then sure you cn get win 10 upgrade
[19:35] <Nokaji> appreciate your help on this one SebthreeBQM10HD, I've got maybe 48Hrs (30th deadline) so need to act soonish, I never boot to win so just found out :)
[19:36] <Nokaji> ... they had configured my machine for auto upgrade even though I kept clicking 'no'
[19:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Nokaji, a wINDOWS update might go over Grub? but probably not in your case. I guess that's the worst thing that might happen, but you won't know unless you try, and it will proably be all ok enough
[19:37] <daftykins> Nokaji: easily avoided
[19:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Windows going over Grub ?
[19:37] <Nokaji> maybe i'll take the opportunity to d/l U16.4 and make a live boot, so I have more options in the rare case of a total catastrophe
[19:38] <daftykins> you can probably take action now to stop it from happening
[19:38] <Nokaji> Thanks again SebthreeBQM10HD, ... gonna run ...
[19:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> daftykins, yeah that  may happen, and he's gone now, but yes thats  why people do WIndows first usaully things like that
[19:44] <daftykins> SebthreeBQM10HD: i know you mean well but i volunteered in #ubuntu for 10 years
[19:44] <daftykins> so please, no preaching to the choir :)
[19:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> daftykins, I  helpd a lot in Ubuntu in 2008 2009 and 2010 and 2011
[19:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and sometimes after that as well
[19:49] <daftykins> ok, but you don't need to teach me ok? just the person asking...
[19:50] <diddledan> daftykins: no teaching you unless you're wearing the schoolgirl uniform on the weekend?
[19:50] <daftykins> shh you said you'd keep that to yourself :(
[19:50] <diddledan> well I didn't mention the whip
[19:51] <daftykins> ok Danielle
[19:51] <daftykins> ...oops
[19:51] <diddledan> :-p
[19:51]  * zmoylan-pi pushes the flying goggles and celery under the desk with my foot...
[19:52] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: and the egg whisk?
[19:52] <zmoylan-pi> i'm not depraved!!!
[19:53] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi confirmed - https://youtu.be/T7muPZH3ebs?t=19
[19:55] <diddledan> daftykins: I'm somewhat concerned at the speed you found that video
[19:56] <daftykins> the original seems to have gone as it goes, that one has spanish on!
[19:57] <diddledan> the lass does live shows, too, didyaknow? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSyWtESoeO
[19:57] <daftykins> yep though i hear they've not quite worked out autographs yet
[19:58] <diddledan> lol
[19:58] <diddledan> just use a printer?
[19:58] <diddledan> or maybe a plotter
[19:58] <daftykins> "now hiring: permanent printer technician to handle the constantly clogging Hatsune Miku autograph unit"
[19:58] <diddledan> lol
[19:59] <diddledan> gotta love Japanese cultural contribution though
[20:00] <diddledan> I would love to visit Japan
[20:00] <daftykins> i feel like it'd be a nightmare to navigate but yeah, be neat that
[20:00] <daftykins> a mate who just finished a PhD in Physics is going again next month for a job interview, he's already done 2 or 3 stints in research over in Tokyo
[20:01] <diddledan> nice
[20:02] <daftykins> he just paid £80 to bind his thesis >_<
[20:02] <daftykins> fancy gold type on the front and spine, needed some greek letters :>
[20:02] <diddledan> dang. whoever said academics was cheap?!
[20:02] <daftykins> ikr
[20:03] <diddledan> I love how academic papers are free for use but you need to pay to get a copy
[20:03] <diddledan> i.e. the papers are free but the magazines that publish them aren't
[20:04] <diddledan> totally needs a journal to be created by stallman
[20:04] <daftykins> he'd have to bug someone else to go online with a GUI browser, fetch them... feed his parrot... and numerous other things to get that working, though
[20:05]  * diddledan pets dicky
[20:05] <diddledan> bless his beardy neck
[20:27] <diddledan> what are all these messages to the ubuntu-server list that say "this is a request to make foo available to the git based merge process"?
[20:28] <diddledan> e.g. "This is a request to make pacemaker and dlm available for the git based merge process."
[20:35] <daftykins> hmm my old desktop doesn't like life now it's been replaced, doesn't it always go that way :)
[21:06] <diddledan> nutjob of the month goes to this man: http://www.macrumors.com/2016/06/28/florida-man-sues-apple-1992-invention/
[21:06] <daftykins> :D
[21:06] <daftykins> bold indeed
[21:21] <diddledan> weird. batman v superman is available to buy on windowsstore but itunes says it isn't to be released until the 17th July
[21:26] <zmoylan-pi> they never expected anyone to see it in windows store... :-P
[22:13] <daftykins> hmm trawling the local trade site for fun, there's a Surface Pro 2 for £350 going
[22:14] <daftykins> also a couple of nvidia GTX 980Ti cards now the folks realise they're rubbish ;D
[22:31] <poppy> help
[22:32] <daftykins> what's up?
[22:33] <daftykins> ask away on one line with details if it's Ubuntu
[22:37] <diddledan> heh, I thought that was the other guy (Alan)
[22:37] <diddledan> I decided not to say his nick due to being about him rather than to him :-p
[22:37] <diddledan> that way he won't get his nickhighlight pinging in his pocket
[22:38] <daftykins> me too!
[22:38] <diddledan> how dare people use names similar to other people that they don't even know exist!!
[22:39] <diddledan> new winsider build downloading \o/
[22:39] <daftykins> :o
[22:40] <daftykins> i heard a rumour of early August for the anniversary build
[22:40] <diddledan> yeah I seem to recall august too
[22:42] <diddledan> hah @ the store entry for the store - they didn't screenshot it:  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/JcfaGgmp/2016-06-28%20(3).png
[22:43] <daftykins> :D
[22:43] <daftykins> poppy: *boop*
[22:44] <daftykins> oops
[22:44] <daftykins> it wasn't me!
[22:47] <diddledan> I've sent that screenie to the feedback app and informed them
[22:47] <diddledan> if you are on windas: feedback-hub:?contextid=334&feedbackid=d5775b61-eabc-4886-970a-2b792b414df0&form=1&src=2
[22:47] <diddledan> that should be linkified
[22:47] <daftykins> :D
[22:48] <daftykins> in run? it doesn't know what to do with that'un
[22:48] <diddledan> weird
[22:48] <diddledan> try it in edge
[22:48] <daftykins> naw bing
[22:48] <diddledan> odd
[22:49] <daftykins> i don't run insider though, so perhaps it's 'cause i don't have the app
[22:49] <diddledan> aah
[22:49] <daftykins> it did offer to run the store to make use of it :>
[22:49] <diddledan> isn't the feedback app supposed to be available everywhere now?
[22:51] <diddledan> right that’s my windows machine installing the new build
[22:51] <diddledan> now I’m on my maclintosh
[22:52] <daftykins> does it run its' own email against outside advice?
[22:52] <daftykins> 8D


[05:29] <a_little_tired> Hey, is anyone here?
[18:51] <btm> working on debugging an issue where bonding is started before the interfaces are ready in karmic and it has been implied that upstart may be involved (same as described here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1311837). Any hints as how to create a dependency from the bonding configuration in interfaces to wait for the interfaces to come up?


[21:58] <OvenWerks> so why is ardour so far behind?
[21:59] <krytarik> !info ardour unstable
[21:59] <krytarik> !info ardour
[21:59] <krytarik> Good question.
[22:01] <krytarik> !info ardour zesty-proposed
[22:04] <krytarik> ardour-video-timeline/amd64 unsatisfiable Depends: xjadeo (>= 0.6.4)
[22:08] <krytarik> !info xjadeo
[22:08] <OvenWerks> it appears ardour has been held up because xjadeo in ubuntu is out of date
[22:08] <OvenWerks> opps
[22:12] <OvenWerks> even in 16.04 xjadeo is 0.8.5
[22:13] <krytarik> LP bug 1639409.
[22:13] <krytarik> So that's why.
[22:15] <OvenWerks> * transcode does not exist
[22:18] <krytarik> !info transcode
[22:19] <OvenWerks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/transcode/+bug/1631796 seems to indicate transcode is fixed as of dec 7
[22:19] <OvenWerks> transcode should not affect xjadeo anyway as it is only a recomend anyway.
[22:27] <krytarik> And it was uploaded to Zesty earlier already.


[00:49] <lahwran> is updown goofing up again?
[09:18] <duanedesign> bug 622916
[09:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 622916 in ubuntuone-client "Ubuntu One cannot sync files with more than 100(?) characters in filename (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/622916
[09:20] <duanedesign> havent been able  to reproduce this. However my other computer is down at the moment. Can anyone confirm or negate this bug?
[15:17] <rodrigo_> alecu, nessita: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntuone-client/app-name-in-signals/+merge/33528 and https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntuone-client/use-sso-in-u1-prefs/+merge/33523 please
[15:19] <nessita> rodrigo_, alecu: https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntu-sso-client/add-debug/+merge/33529
[17:00] <apachelogger> nessita, verterok: any objections against uploading my gsoc KDE stuff to universe for maverick?
[17:00] <apachelogger> (that is if it gets a FFe)
[17:05] <verterok> apachelogger: don't know what's the gsoc KDE stuff :)
[17:06] <apachelogger> verterok: simple KDE GUI stuff and a Qt implementation of authentication
[17:06] <verterok> apachelogger: also, I think you should ask rodrigo/Chipaca about it
[17:06] <verterok> ah, nice :)
[17:06] <apachelogger> Chipaca: ^^
[17:08] <apachelogger> verterok: http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/08/19/ubuntu-one-the-kde-way/
[17:08] <Chipaca> apachelogger: let's talk with rodrigo and alecu (nessita would be best but she's leaving to uni right now) in about an hour?
[17:08] <apachelogger> okidoki
[17:09] <dobey> apachelogger: that's all in a separate package, and not intended to go in the upstream project?
[17:10] <apachelogger> dobey: well, it could go upstream if someone wishes to mess with the buildsystem (or convert to cmake) etc.
[17:11] <dobey> or if you wrote it in python :)
[17:14]  * apachelogger had enough experiences with pykde to not use it unless absolutely necessary :P
[17:20] <dobey> heh
[17:21] <dobey> well using automake is reasonable, but having much of the same code duplicated in python and c++ is kind of annoying
[17:23] <dobey> i guess the kde applet and such in that blog post are separate from the authentication pieces though?
[17:27] <apachelogger> dobey: yes
[17:27] <apachelogger> also the authentication is not that much code
[17:28] <apachelogger> which is the reason I redid it
[17:30] <dobey> not that much code? 7K lines of python seems liek a lot to me :)
[17:31] <dobey> only 400 of which are comments :)
[17:32] <dobey> or well, top level comments
[17:32] <dobey> so license header, basically
[17:33] <apachelogger> dobey: a lot of that is UI code in bzr
[17:34] <apachelogger> Qt version (that is headless currently) is 749 sloc
[17:34] <apachelogger> and that includes plugins for KWallet and GNOME Keyring and cmake and some python foo
[17:35] <apachelogger> additional 50 for cmake macros
[19:29] <lalejand> verterok : Hi, I think one day you checked some problem I had and you told me to raise up my U1 synced files limit. I made a fresh ubuntu install, so I have to do it again. Can you tell me what it was ? (I hope I'm not talking to the wrong person ;) )
[19:30] <verterok> lalejand: hi
[19:31] <verterok> lalejand: raise the synced files limit?
[19:31] <verterok> lalejand: can't remember anything about that :/
[19:31] <verterok> lalejand: maybe the inotify watches limit?
[19:31] <lalejand> verterok : ahm it wan't you then
[19:32] <lalejand> verterok : it was like the max number of watched files
[19:32] <lalejand> some thing li
[19:32] <lalejand> ke that
[19:33] <verterok> lalejand: if it was the max number of watched files, it's the inotify limits
[19:34] <verterok> lalejand: add fs.inotify.max_user_watches=<big enough integer> to /etc/sysctl.conf
[19:34] <verterok> lalejand: something like: fs.inotify.max_user_watches=32768 should be more than enough
[19:38] <lalejand> verterok : thanks !!! BTW why is there a limit ?
[19:40] <verterok> lalejand: it's the default kernel value
[21:33] <dnielsen> ajmitch, I hate to be that guy, but have you had a change to look at the mono bindings for libubuntuone, the issue where they changed from 10k to 3k between two releases
[21:33] <ajmitch> no, but I'll try & look at it asap today & then poke the right person about it :)
[21:34] <dnielsen> thank you, finally I might be able to build banshee community extensions again
[21:34] <ajmitch> yeah, it's sort of important for getting the updated b-c-e in ubuntu
[21:35] <ajmitch> do you have a bug # for it?
[21:38] <irssita> alecu: hey there!
[21:38] <irssita> alecu: look, a bug report! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-sso-client/+bug/623604
[21:38] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 623604 in ubuntu-sso-client "credentials dictionary has different key for token_name (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[21:38] <alecu> irssita, thanks
[21:39] <alecu> irssita, what is affected by that bug?
[21:39] <irssita> alecu: syncdaemon, I'm trying to fic the critical bug from today
[21:40] <irssita> alecu: and it wasn't working till I noticed that the problem was that
[21:40] <irssita> I mean, the original problem was the signals signature, whihc I fixed, but then I kept having failures and was this bug
[21:41] <alecu> irssita, ok. What is syncdaemon expecting? app_name or token_name?
[21:41] <alecu> irssita, and also, how is it using it?
[22:00] <irssita> alecu: it was being used in a log, so no worries
[22:01] <irssita> alecu: I just modified the log to not to use it :-)
[22:01] <alecu> irssita, oohhhhh
[22:01] <irssita> alecu: but I think we should fix it, to some uniifed key name
[22:01] <alecu> irssita, ok, great.
[22:01] <irssita> :-)
[22:04] <irssita> rodrigo_, alecu, Chipaca : ubuntu-sso-client 0.99.2 was released!
[22:04] <Chipaca> irssita: oh noes!
[22:04] <Chipaca> irssita: tomorrow is the last day for ui changes, did i mention that?
[22:04] <Chipaca> :)
[22:05] <alecu> irssita, yes, yay!
[22:05] <alecu> irssita, and with a beautiful bugfixes log, and a lot of bugs automatically marked as fixed!
[22:05] <alecu> yay for --fixes!
[22:06]  * ajmitch looks at what is new
[22:09] <rodrigo_> irssita, yeah, saw all the bugs fixed automatically!! :D
[22:12] <irssita> I'm gone!
[22:12] <irssita> see ya at the pyar meeting
[22:12] <alecu> irssita, silla!
[22:33] <dobey> alecu: huh?
[22:33] <dobey> alecu: yay for me you mean ;)
[22:33] <alecu> yay for --dobey!
[22:34] <dobey> alecu: i fixed tarmac to get the list of bugs fixed in a branch when merging, and automatically mark them fix committed after a successful commit :)
[22:34] <alecu> dobey, cool! I had little bits of info regarding that, but not the full fact.
[22:35] <alecu> dobey, yay for you then!
[22:35] <dobey> unless you're talking about the automatic resolution from LP for bugs mentioned in debian/changelog on new package uploads
[22:35] <dobey> which i did not do, and has been there all along
[22:36] <dobey> hmm
[22:37] <dobey> though it appears that has not happened
[22:37] <dobey> (the tarmac bug fixing bit, on the branches i presume you're talking about)
[22:45] <dobey> later all
[22:53] <duffydack> sorry, Ive never used U1 music store before.  Where do my purchases go, on my hd.  In the ubuntuone folder?
[22:53] <beuno> duffydack, ~/.ubuntuone/Purchased from Ubuntu One/
[22:54] <duffydack> beuno, in a hidden folder?  that doesnt sound right
[22:54] <beuno> duffydack, well, if rhythmbox listens to that folder
[22:55] <duffydack> ah.. ok
[22:55] <beuno> so you should see them magically appear
[22:55] <beuno> we would of likes to put int in ~/Music
[22:55] <beuno> but there where a *lot* of problems in doing that
[22:55] <duffydack> Its still saying queued after approx 10mins..
[22:56] <duffydack> its just 1 song.
[22:56] <beuno> duffydack, whats does u1sdtool -s say?
[22:56] <beuno> is it connected, etc?
[22:56] <beuno> duffydack, also, take a peak in the web ui
[22:56] <beuno> see if it's already available there
[22:56] <duffydack> its connected I just run the u1 tool...
[22:57] <duffydack> I have stuff set to sync, its connected and sync`d.
[22:57] <duffydack> yup, its there via web
[22:58] <beuno> duffydack, and syncdaemon is idle?
[22:59] <duffydack> yup.   ryhymbox still says queued.. and the gui tool says all fine...no song on my hd tho
[22:59] <duffydack> rhythmbox*
[22:59]  * beuno summons mattgriffin
[23:04] <duffydack> http://paste.ubuntu.com/483120/     see
[23:10] <mattgriffin> beuno: what's up?
[23:11] <mattgriffin> duffydack: when you go to https://one.ubuntu.com/files do you see a folder called something like Purchased Music near the top?
[23:14] <mattgriffin> duffydack: i'll be right back
[23:16] <duffydack> yes
[23:16] <duffydack> the song is there.
[23:16] <duffydack> been there a while.
[23:17] <verterok> duffydack: is the song in ~/.ubuntuone/Purchased\ from\ Ubuntu\ One/ ?
[23:18] <duffydack> nope
[23:19] <verterok> duffydack: looks like syncdaemon wasn't notified yet
[23:19] <lahwran> so when is pycon? I hear there will be a windows ubu one client written there
[23:19] <verterok> fwiw, syncdaemon == sync client
[23:20] <duffydack> Rhythmbox still says queuing.  No files in that folder and its there on the web
[23:20] <duffydack> U1 is connected,  A ok
[23:23] <verterok> lahwran: there was a sprint in the last pycon
[23:23] <lahwran> LAST pycon?
[23:24] <mattgriffin> duffydack: i'm back
[23:25] <duffydack> I`m downloading the track from the U1 web
[23:27] <verterok> duffydack: what version of ubuntuone-client do you have installed? run: apt-cache policy ubuntuone-client
[23:27] <verterok> lahwran: yes
[23:28] <duffydack> verterok, latest
[23:28] <duffydack> well, in lucid
[23:28] <duffydack> Installed: 1.2.2-0ubuntu2
[23:28] <verterok> ok
[23:28] <duffydack> I got no issues using U1.
[23:28] <duffydack> just the music side Ive never used before, till now
[23:29] <verterok> duffydack: I think it's just that the notitication never reached the client
[23:29] <verterok> duffydack: do you restarted the client since the song appeared in the web ui? (don't restart the client ;-))
[23:30] <duffydack> I never restart the client.
[23:30] <verterok> duffydack: ok, cool, try this: u1sdtool --refresh $HOME/.ubuntuone/Purchased\ from\ Ubuntu\ One/
[23:30] <duffydack> I set it once during setup and dont touch it again..
[23:30] <lahwran> verterok, ok, do you happen to have a linky?
[23:31] <verterok> lahwran: to the windows client?
[23:31] <lahwran> or do I have to go all the way to the button on my kicker to launch my webbrowser and google it?
[23:31] <duffydack> now u1tool says working on metadata
[23:31] <duffydack> yeah, its coming down now
[23:31] <duffydack> shouldnt have to, but anyways.
[23:32] <duffydack> Rhythmbox is saying the same now,
[23:32] <verterok> lahwran: it wasn't finished, but there is a branch somewhere with some refactor of the client in order start the windows specific bits, e.g: replace inotify with...something else(?)
[23:32] <lahwran> :( oh
[23:32] <lahwran> that's rather boring
[23:33] <verterok> lahwran: but there are a few developers activly working on getting the windows client ready
[23:33] <lahwran> ah good. who are they/do they post a timeframe?
[23:34] <lahwran> oh, and how painful would it be to use the ubuntu client on another POSIX OS?
[23:34] <verterok> lahwran: don't think there is a timeframe yet, let me see if I can find a wiki page or something
[23:34] <verterok> lahwran: if it supports inotify and dbus, it should be ok
[23:35] <lahwran> ...which are not kernel level, so I could get them running on say mac os x or freebsd easy, right?
[23:35] <verterok> lahwran: for the case of OS X/BSD, it will require to have support fsevents, i think?
[23:35] <verterok> lahwran: the client will need to support that, which isn't there yet, but all contributions are more than welcome ;)
[23:36] <lahwran> is the client in C[++]?
[23:36] <lahwran> or maybe python?
[23:36] <verterok> lahwran: python
[23:36] <lahwran> :D YAY!
[23:37] <lahwran> this means I can work on it easily, python is my strong point
[23:37] <verterok> lahwran: the windows port is being worked on by mandel and vds, they will know what's the current status better than I do
[23:38] <verterok> lahwran: also, they are working on this branch from pycon which split all the platform specific bits into separate modules, so it's easy to add platforma specific stuff, like fsevent support
[23:46] <verterok> duffydack: probably a server side issue, the client should get a notification of the new file
[23:47] <verterok> ok, I'm off. later!
[23:47]  * verterok waves
[23:47] <duffydack> ciao
[23:47] <duffydack> thanks


[02:02] <bryce> keescook: I have new xorg, xorg-server, xauth, and xinit packages
[02:02] <bryce> keescook: I've tested each of these independently and together on my dev box, and they look okay
[02:03] <bryce> keescook: when you have time, can you please review and upload?
[02:03] <bryce> http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Uploads
[02:03] <bryce> I had trouble producing the debdiff for xorg-server (see README in that dir)
[02:06] <bryce> testing debs for xorg-server and xorg are at http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Testing/
[02:06] <bryce> e.g., install/reversion directions are here:  http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Testing/xorg-server/README
[02:10] <keescook> bryce: sure, once the freeze is over (since these are "main" packages), I can do that.  I don't want to get in pitti's way atm
[02:10] <bryce> that's cool, there's not a big hurry
[02:11] <bryce> fwiw, I'm loving my new test tool.  :-)
[02:11] <bryce> can't wait to plug it into crucible
[02:16] <jcristau_> bryce: xauth 1:1.0.2-1 is in experimental, xinit 1.0.4-2 will soon be there too
[02:17] <bryce> jcristau: oh ok, I wasn't sure where those were in the process
[02:56] <ubotu> New bug: #122458 in xkeyboard-config (main) "Keyboard layout abnt2 no working in AltGr (/?) in console mode in acer aspire laptop" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122458
[02:10] <ubotu> New bug: #122556 in xorg-server (main) "Xorg crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122556
[05:20] <kylem> bryce, ping.
[05:20] <kylem> oops, still early for you, unping.
[05:26] <ubotu> New bug: #122610 in xorg-server (main) "xephyr crashes when trying to run a gutsy session" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122610
[06:01] <ubotu> New bug: #122616 in xorg-server (main) "vc switching problems on intel 965 board" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122616
[06:02] <bryce> heya kylem, prepong
[06:07] <kylem> mind if i do a -i810 and -intel upload?
[06:08] <bryce> yep, that's fine.
[06:09] <bryce> is there a *changes I could take a look at?
[06:09] <kylem> not right now.
[06:11] <bryce> is this for feisty or gutsy, or both?  what is the change?
[06:11] <kylem> gutsy. adding support for g33/q33/q35.
[06:12] <bryce> ok, let me know after it's up and I'll take a look then
[06:14] <kylem> er, i wasn't asking for review, i just didn't want to stomp over your upload if you intended to do one today.
[06:15] <bryce> ah, no wasn't intending to review, I was just curious about the changes for bug triaging purposes
[06:17] <bryce> I don't have plans to upload -i810 or -intel today.  There is an 8400M support change I'm hoping to see from upstream, but doubt that'll be coming today (this was the main thing I'm curious about)
[06:17] <kylem> ok.
[06:55] <ubotu> New bug: #122628 in xorg-server (main) "Xorg crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122628
[09:25] <ubotu> New bug: #122652 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "[Gutsy Tribe 2]  Widescreen (19") and ATI Radeon w/ ati driver causes horizontal lines in bottom left corner" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122652
[10:00] <ubotu> New bug: #122663 in xorg (main) "X fails to start on gutsy live CD (radeon x1400), even in safe graphics mode" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122663