[01:06] <l88l> hi all ive installed a second os and now when i boot there is no grub splash screen showing to select between ubuntu and minux-what to do to fix grub(bios"no uefi required"?
[01:09] <oerheks> see the grub manual, hit esc or an other key
[01:09] <oerheks> !grub
[01:09] <oerheks> if it is not in the list, os-prober is disabled
[01:09] <oerheks> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/12/grub-doesnt-detect-windows-linux-distros-fix
[01:47] <l88l> ty oerheks
[01:47] <l88l> reading and experimenting now
[03:09] <darwin> in installed two Ubuntu variants and am chrooting into them from another GNU/Linux.  When I do so, it says 'groups: cannot find name for group ID 17 [and ...] group ID 215'.  I looked in /etc/group and these groups don't even exist.  What does this mean.  I am still able to chroot but just want things to work the way they should
[03:12] <oerheks> why chrooting into them from another GNU/Linux ??
[03:12] <oerheks> with an ubuntu iso it should work fine
[04:15] <darwin> because I want to.  Does anyone know the answer?
[04:17] <darwin> someone always has to ask the ridiculous question
[05:24] <Ellis-78> Hello
[05:24] <FragUPlenty> Hello good sir
[05:25] <Ellis-78> 😁
[07:34] <Guest9031> can anyone tell me after installing jdk.deb file how to set Java home and path for all user so that i can access every binary inside jvm's bin folder from terminal 🥴
[07:57] <aref> hi
[08:28] <nojitronic> hey y'all please s1 help me a little i am running ubuntu 22.04 desktop gnome, hav been trying to get my grub2 bootloader screen to display during boot, not getting anywhere and been reading and trying all afternoon
[08:29] <nojitronic> have tried the boot rescue gui
[08:30] <nojitronic> not working
[08:30] <koffeinfriedhof> nojitronic: Try https://askubuntu.com/a/1264130
[08:30] <nojitronic> also tried enable/disable the os prober in /etc/grub/default
[08:32] <koffeinfriedhof> Then it would help if you make a list what you already tried and how the setup looks now. That would be easier on the forums I think. Mention the hardware used and which blobs are needed to run, if it is UEFI or BIOS, etc.
[08:34] <nojitronic> fyi i am using  a mb has no UEFI. I have bios legacy to be clear.
[08:34] <nojitronic> koffeinfriedhof fair enuf will do in a second
[08:34] <quem> on 23.04. weyland has been crashing today, a few times per hour, seemingly unprovoked.
[08:34] <quem> wayland?
[08:34] <quem> hehe
[08:35] <nojitronic> its was me man was having an argy bargy wit wayland from wayback yo
[08:36] <Atque> Does Ubuntu still use Mir by default?
[08:38] <lotuspsychje> !mir | Atque
[08:39] <alkisg> Atque, no, GNOME is using wayland by default, the rest are using xorg
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> quem: check your /var/crash to see if wayland showsup there
[08:40] <quem> lotuspsychje: yeah, quite a bit.
[08:40] <lotuspsychje> !bug | quem
[08:41] <lotuspsychje> quem: you can follow the 'crash' bug procedure wich is different from filing regular bugs if you like
[08:41] <quem> all right, will do
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> quem: see also the recently added existing xwayland bugs here; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xwayland/+bugs?orderby=importance&start=0
[09:05] <juwi> lubuntu
[09:11] <l88l> hi all my goal is to be able to boot into either minux linux or ubuntu at boot time, ive installed the Ubuntu 22.04 second but i dont see any grub screen at boot time-Help me please
[09:16] <lotuspsychje> l88l: what you could try is enter recoverymode/grub and collect your grub config into a paste, so the volunteers can take a look at it to help you
[09:23] <alkisg> l88l: you mean that ubuntu boots normally and you just don't see the grub menu?
[09:25] <l88l> sorry got called away for trampoline time with kids
[09:27] <l88l> i dont see a grub screen at all during boot how could i get what you need re infomations for a pastebin? dmesg?
[09:27] <l88l> grep anything in particular
[09:28] <l88l> or is there another log area better suited to inform those in the channel
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> l88l: /etc/default/grub file would be a good start to share in a paste
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> !paste | l88l
[09:31] <l88l> https://pastebin.com/1qxwe0wE
[09:32] <l88l> i may have changed the value to true | #GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=true
[09:33] <l88l> or commented it-cant recall
[09:36] <alkisg> l88l: sudo wget https://gitlab.com/sch-scripts/sch-scripts/-/raw/main/share/sch-scripts/grub.cfg -O /etc/default/grub.d/local.cfg && sudo update-grub
[09:36] <alkisg> Run that ^, then reboot
[09:37] <l88l> i only have one user account  can i just edit the file myself
[09:38] <l88l> and run update-grup after then reboot
[09:38] <alkisg> It's best to create local configuration files rather than change the distribution ones; it avoids prompts on updates
[09:38] <l88l> (goal is to see two linux distros to choose which to boot at boot up time)
[09:38] <l88l> okay will do, why is that (i dont know)
[09:38] <alkisg> If you want to edit grub.cfg instead of create local.cfg, sure, just see the link I pasted, copy the lines, and paste them in grub.cfg
[09:39] <alkisg> Most files in /etc are called "conffiles" and if you change them, then when ubuntu is updated and a new configuration file arrives, you'll see a dialog "how to merge the changes"
[09:39] <alkisg> That's why most packages offer .d directories like /etc/default/grub.d, where you can place your own configuration files without touching the ones shipped by packages
[09:43] <l88l> i see thanks for explaining to me, am about to reboot post changes recommended. if this works i will kiss you through the screen | pining for other os to work along side 22.04
[09:43] <l88l> ciao
[09:43] <alkisg> Hehe, ciao
[09:49] <l88l> bugger it'sa no workies
[09:49] <l88l> https://pastebin.com/LxuTT4u6
[09:50] <l88l> it sees MX-linux but nothing on boot(no grub screen is shown) just boot ubuntu
[09:50] <alkisg> l88l: do you mean that you see the grub menu, but you don't see the other OS there?
[09:50] <l88l> i dont see the menu at all
[09:51] <l88l> straight into ubuntu
[09:51] <alkisg> No grub screen... strange... what if you keep pressing Esc?
[09:51] <l88l> yes
[09:51] <l88l> not tried but will reboot and try now, ty brb
[09:51] <alkisg> Also try with "left shift" held down
[09:52] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: i found a more up to date grub wiki, then the one from the factoid, let me know if you like it? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Setup
[09:54] <alkisg> lotuspsychje: it's well written but it could use an update; some things have changed since 12.04...
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: ok tnx, i saw it was last edited on 2023-04-22 so i wondered
[10:03] <akik> can't ubuntu just get rid of the hidden grub menu? it is causing only problems for debugging
[10:05] <l88l> didn't make a difference man, hitting esc. here is a dmesg paste if it helps https://pastebin.com/juQ6Bsna
[10:05] <l88l> tried the left shift key also, that didnt make the grub screen show either
[10:06] <alkisg> l88l: which OS did you install last? Ubuntu or the other one?
[10:08] <l88l> ubuntu
[10:08] <l88l> 22.04
[10:10] <l88l> might have to format and drop back a version of lts ubuntu to get this boot loader thing sorted
[10:10] <l88l> are you out of ideas
[10:11] <alkisg> l88l: if you boot from a live usb stick, do you see grub there?
[10:16] <bblinky> What's the name of the applet that's used to controll sound, battery and connectivity?
[10:17] <lotuspsychje> bblinky: do you mean the gnome indicator in the right upper corner, or conky widgets?
[10:18] <bblinky> lotuspsychje: gnome-indicator sonds likely
[10:18] <lotuspsychje> bblinky: what are you trying to do exactly?
[10:18] <bblinky> I am experiencing the issue that every time I leave the room with my phone (which is my hotspot) and then come back, I have to go through the menu and go to select network before it rescans and finds the phone again
[10:19] <bblinky> I am wondering if I can set it to be a tad more agressive with the scanning when it's not connected
[10:20] <bblinky> (btw, I am on popOS rn, but I was experiencing the same under ubuntu)
[10:23] <akik> bblinky: android wifi hotspot has a setting for timing-out the hotspot
[10:24] <bblinky> akik: it's not timing out
[10:24] <akik> bblinky: did you try to change it?
[10:25] <bblinky> No, becasue it's not timing out... The widged is just lazy at rescanning
[10:25] <akik> bblinky: yea go change it then
[10:25] <bblinky> Where?
[10:25] <akik> bblinky: android wifi hotspot advanced settings
[10:26] <bblinky> What does it help to make the timeout interval larger if the laptop does not scan for the network until I press the find networks button?
[10:37] <l88l> yes
[10:37] <l88l> i see a grub from a live-boot usb of any distro
[10:38] <l88l> cooking atm so if im a while on the reply, you know why sorry man
[10:42] <l88l> anyone hungry i have the most amazing laksa like chicken hokien noodle recipie-if you help me restore my grub menu its yours
[10:42] <akik> dcc it to me
[10:42] <l88l> takes 45mins to cook feeds ya for two days and is hard to muck it up
[10:43] <akik> l88l: did you edit /etc/default/grub to remove the timeout and hidden values?
[10:51] <l88l> akik, should i have this is what my file looks like at present, https://pastebin.com/mUiVbCj4
[10:54] <akik> l88l: looks fine, no hidden values and the timeout is 10s
[10:55] <akik> l88l: do you have another grub.cfg in the efi esp (/boot/efi) ?
[10:56] <akik> l88l: and did you run update-grub after editing /etc/default/grub ?
[10:57] <l88l> re did i run update-grub=yes, about the second question...im not sure could you walk me through how i could check this
[10:57] <l88l> please
[10:58] <l88l> i have an old motherboard, no UEFI so i think that means i dont need a efi partition
[10:58] <l88l> i am using gpt on the drive
[10:59] <l88l> and primary partitions for the installations if that is relevent
[10:59] <l88l> no swap
[10:59] <l88l> no separate home
[11:00] <l88l> just two debian based OS's mx linux (uses init&sysd if you make it)
[11:00] <l88l> Ubuntu 22.04 and MX.linux wildflower
[11:01] <akik> l88l: check the grub.cfg file in /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu
[11:01] <akik> oops
[11:01] <akik> you are NOT using uefi boot?
[11:02] <akik> l88l: are you now in ubuntu and you're just missing the grub menu?
[11:02] <l88l> correct
[11:03] <l88l> to both questions/statements
[11:03] <akik> l88l: try reinstalling grub with "sudo grub-install /dev/sdX"
[11:03] <l88l> okay
[11:03] <akik> l88l: and after that "sudo update-grub"
[11:03] <akik> if you're booting in bios mode
[11:04] <akik> for uefi the options are different and you don't specify the target device
[11:04] <l88l> says installation finished no errors, roggie ty for explaining...will try a reboot should i run update-grub prior to reboot?
[11:05] <akik> l88l: yes
[11:05] <l88l> https://pastebin.com/Ysd1NQEF
[11:06] <l88l> look alright?
[11:06] <l88l> to reboot now
[11:06] <akik> l88l: wait
[11:06] <l88l> sure
[11:06] <akik> l88l: "Installing for x86_64-efi platform."
[11:06] <akik> l88l: that's for uefi boot
[11:06] <l88l> why does it do that when im legacy only
[11:06] <l88l> i dont have uefi for sure
[11:07] <akik> l88l: do you see something with "sudo ls /sys/firmware/efi/efivars" ?
[11:08] <l88l> yes i see this https://pastebin.com/iPLxJVAj
[11:08] <akik> l88l: ok so you have booted in uefi mode :)
[11:09] <l88l> how could i boot in uefi mode (am i missing something) i have an old motherboard and it does not have UEFI (100%sure)
[11:09] <l88l> asus a8ne deluxe
[11:09] <akik> l88l: that dir wouldn't show up if you booted in bios mode
[11:09] <l88l> hang on
[11:10] <l88l> better check that
[11:12] <l88l> Gigabyte GA-870A-UD3
[11:13] <akik> l88l: you can see that grub-install found "Found MX 21.3 Wildflower (21.3) on /dev/sda3"
[11:13] <akik> l88l: now it's just a matter of making system use the correct grub config
[11:14] <akik> l88l: for uefi there's another grub.cfg in /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu
[11:14] <akik> l88l: the main one lives in /boot/grub
[11:14] <l88l> okay so are you saying i have an efi file(config) for uefi:that i dont need and another file elsewhere for bios that i do need? sorry for silly question
[11:15] <bblinky> lotuspsychje: I think the "applet" I am talking about might be to the right of the gnome-indicator?
[11:15] <akik> l88l: you're 100% absolutely booting ubuntu in uefi mode
[11:15] <l88l> *legacy bios
[11:15] <l88l> how do i stop booting into uefi mode
[11:16] <akik> l88l: the one in /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu is probably a stub file referencing the main grub.cfg in /boot/grub
[11:16] <akik> l88l: i don't know if it's possible once you installed the system
[11:18] <l88l> then what should i make sure to avoid doing in future to avoid this situation in future. I dont know how i got to installing uefi partition (during installation) or how to avoid doing so in future
[11:18] <l88l> sorry that makes no sense, let me re phrase
[11:18] <akik> l88l: when you boot the computer you have to select the non-uefi boot mode
[11:18] <akik> l88l: i mean when you start with the usb stick installer
[11:19] <l88l> i am not presented with an option at boot time like that
[11:19] <akik> l88l: it could be a setting also in your computer's uefi menus
[11:20] <l88l> i only see (install boot-live i mean) install oem install memtest
[11:20] <akik> l88l: uefi boot or uefi boot with csm
[11:20] <l88l> no i don't see those on my boot menus ever
[11:20] <akik> l88l: try pressing f8 when the computer boots up for a boot device menu
[11:20] <l88l> okay
[11:20] <akik> l88l: that could be another key too
[11:21] <akik> maybe f10
[11:21] <l88l> have tried the esc and left shift
[11:21] <l88l> will try F8
[11:21] <l88l> ty
[11:21] <akik> l88l: those are only for grub
[11:21] <l88l> and ten
[11:21] <bblinky> lotuspsychje: https://0x0.st/HPym.png
[11:21] <l88l> sweet
[11:21] <akik> l88l: i mean you should try to make the computer show the boot device menu
[11:21] <l88l> got ya man
[11:21] <l88l> back soon
[11:36] <l88l> no luck, rtfm atm hit me up if you think of anything
[11:37] <l88l> please, and thanks for all your advice all
[11:37] <akik> l88l: go into the uefi menus of the computer, search for uefi setting (or csm) disable uefi and or enable uefi with csm
[11:37] <d-krek> hello there
[11:38] <akik> l88l: ""UEFI with CSM" usually means mixed mode in which both native (UEFI) and CSM-based (BIOS) boot is available."
[11:38] <akik> l88l: then you just need to figure out how to make the computer give you a boot device menu
[11:38] <d-krek> is there life nearby?
[11:38] <akik> l88l: from that menu you can boot the usb stick installer in non-uefi mode
[11:40] <akik> l88l: i have another thing you might be able to change
[11:40] <akik> l88l: change the grub timeout to 30s
[11:40] <akik> l88l: maybe your computer is just slow in showing the grub menu
[11:41] <l88l> kinda feeling like a stubborn stick in the mud that won't listen to reason, but i assure you i know what bios and uefi are and have seen both during boot time on various machines at labs (skool) vs home i have old skool legacy bios without the option to choose a boot mode
[11:41] <akik> l88l: another option is to uncomment "GRUB_TERMINAL_OUTPUT=console" in grub config
[11:41] <l88l> will try those two things man =)
[11:54] <l88l> akik, you the man you fix'd it
[11:54] <l88l> thank you very much
[11:55]  * l88l smiles, yells hooray and backflips almost =)
[11:56] <Catch25> Hi, I run linux ubuntu on my laptop but am trying to make a windows 10 usb for a friend, i downloaded the windows 10 iso, how do i create the usb stick?
[11:57] <akik> l88l: the grub options fixed it? you're still booting in uefi mode :)
[11:57] <l88l> learn to use lsblk to list your drives or Disk's then use a command like dd to copy the windows iso to an usb
[11:57] <akik> dd doesn't work for the windows iso
[11:58] <AlexC> woeusb
[11:59] <l88l> you need to dd if="".iso of=/dev/sdb status=progress or use etcher and dont risk deleting your main ssd drive with operating system on it in the process cuz you chose the wrong sdX (usually sdb, not always)
[12:00] <akik> Catch25: you can also create it manually if woeusb doesn't work https://atkdinosaurus.wordpress.com/2020/04/25/how-to-create-a-bootable-uefi-gpt-windows-10-usb-stick-in-ubuntu/
[12:00] <l88l> etcher app image is a prettty safe option and keeps it simple AlexC
[12:00] <akik> l88l: dd won't work with the windows iso
[12:00] <AlexC> etcher didn't work for me either for win isos in the past
[12:01] <l88l> really
[12:01] <l88l> etcher works for sure
[12:01] <l88l> why is that
[12:02] <Nezha> hi
[12:02] <l88l> barely social here just tell me your problems
[12:02] <l88l> lols
[12:03] <akik> l88l: you're just hyped up with that grub menu of your's :)
[12:03] <l88l> lols "Ubuntu is like theropy"
[12:03] <l88l> my oath
[12:03] <l88l> i am
[12:03] <l88l> lols
[12:03] <l88l> i love you man
[12:03] <akik> don't love me too much ma
[12:03] <akik> man
[12:04] <akik> pc hardware is so diverse the the defaults just don't work for every setup
[12:28] <l88l> =)
[12:54] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:13] <ForeverNoob[m]> Hello, is there a tool that converts xinpit's Synaptics commands to libinput ones? I have this script: https://paste.debian.net/1278983/ - but it's not recognizing the Synaptics commands because I have libinput drivers installed: https://paste.debian.net/1278985/
[13:18] <alain> bonjour
[13:19] <wee> Salut.
[13:20] <TheCh0sen> Hello everyone!
[13:21] <TheCh0sen> I Recently "Distro-Hopped" to Ubuntu 23.04
[13:21] <TheCh0sen> And it's awesome! i like it!
[13:21] <TheCh0sen> however...
[13:22] <TheCh0sen> I Have a problem when running any 32-Bit program, The CPU usage goes above 100%
[13:22] <TheCh0sen> is this a common problem? is there a fix? Thanks in advance.
[13:24] <TheCh0sen> Hello??
[13:24] <alkisg> TheCh0sen: you need to wait
[13:25] <alkisg> IRC isn't instant. You state your issue,then wait a few minutes for the answer (and up to days some times :))
[13:25] <ravage> Never heard of such a problem
[13:25] <TheCh0sen> I See.. Thanks, But i thought my internet connection is terrible :)
[13:25] <alkisg> Also, mention an example, which 32bit program,do you mean inside wine?
[13:25] <TheCh0sen> wine or native, any 32-bit program
[13:26] <TheCh0sen> Counter-strike source, regexbuddy on wine
[13:26] <TheCh0sen> many more...
[13:26] <TheCh0sen> if you need my specs i can send you what you need
[13:27] <alkisg> I just downloaded https://busybox.net/downloads/binaries/1.30.0-i686/busybox, chmod +x busybox, and ran: busybox ash
[13:28] <alkisg> No cpu usage at all
[13:28] <alkisg> So it sounds like application specific; unfortunately I don't have the apps you mention. Find the smallest possible way to reproduce the issue, it'll help others to see what you see
[13:29] <alkisg> (or, you try busybox too; if you do see cpu usage with it, something's wrong)
[13:29] <TheCh0sen> Ok I'll try...
[13:34] <TheCh0sen> Dammit, you were right. It's app specific
[13:35] <jhutchins> TheCh0sen: How much CPU do these applications take on native Windows?
[13:35] <TheCh0sen> downloaded same busybox version ran same command
[13:35] <TheCh0sen> Really low cpu usage on windows
[13:36] <TheCh0sen> e.g. 20% Maximum for CS Source
[13:37] <alkisg> CS source runs under wine?
[13:37] <TheCh0sen> I Should note that I have the native version of the game, and that didn't happen with any other distro based on ubuntu 20.04
[13:37] <TheCh0sen> No it's 32-bit native executable
[13:37] <alkisg> Are you using wayland?
[13:38] <TheCh0sen> yup
[13:38] <alkisg> Try on xorg
[13:38] <TheCh0sen> tried, nothing different
[13:39] <alkisg> Check your GPU usage in "other distros" vs "23.04". If there's no GPU usage in 23.04, it'll expain things (software emulation)
[14:08] <Guest784> accidentally discovered that the sleep function works on my macbook, but, it is very slow to start back up, is there any way to figure out whats slowing it down?
[14:08] <Guest784> (using ubuntu/bhodi obv, not macos)
[14:10] <mort> Hey, so 'lsb_release -a' says I'm on Ubuntu 23.04; but `do-release-upgrade -d` says upgrades to the development release are only available from the latest supported release. I thought I was on the latest supported release?
[14:14] <Guest784> or, does wake from sleep require a specific key maybe? I'm tapping enter/space/mousepad and power
[15:06] <icedwater> Hi all, would it be a good idea to uninstall mysqld on Ubuntu 22.04?
[15:06] <icedwater> Well, 20.04.6 on DigitalOcean, but I'm just not sure which system services depend on it
[15:07] <atoms> did you install something like LAMP?
[15:13] <jhutchins> Guest544: Most of that is a matter of hardware, and what actual "sleep" mode it's in.  Suspend-to-RAM should recover within a few seconds.  Suspend-to-disk takes more time to read the image from the drive.
[15:14] <jhutchins> Guest544: Some systems, notably networking, rely on a response from the local router or DHCP server, which may add a delay.
[15:14] <jhutchins> icedwater: It would be a better idea to learn why it's installed and what services might use it.
[15:15] <jhutchins> icedwater: I would guess that Digital Ocean expects to support a CMS like wordpress or drupal or some other LAMP stack.
[15:16] <jhutchins> icedwater: Next to web servers in general, database servers are probably the most common server role.
[15:17] <jhutchins> icedwater: If MySQL isn't actively providing a specific service, it's probably not using much in the way of resources.
[15:26] <icedwater> jhutchins: yes, I tried systemctl list-dependencies --all --reverse and it seems to only show multiuser/graphical mode
[15:31] <jhutchins> icedwater: So it's probably there to support future configuration of a LAMP system.
[15:31] <jhutchins> icedwater: What are you using this server for?
[15:43] <Guest94> Hi
[15:43] <Guest94> How do i enable auto login on Ubuntu server 22.04 LTS arm64 running on a raspberry pi, without GUI installed
[15:43] <icedwater> jhutchins: I used it to host a website once, but I moved that to another server. I may consider another website in future, but it's likely I'll use flat files
[15:45] <icedwater> It just seems to be sitting on 17% of memory, I'm trying to halve it to move to a smaller instance
[15:45] <icedwater> halve memory capacity, that is
[15:47] <TheCh0sen> Ok I'm back
[15:47] <TheCh0sen> Sorry I'm late
[15:48] <TheCh0sen> I checked the GPU Usage on 23.04 and it is high
[15:49] <TheCh0sen> I couldn't recheck on any other distros because I don't have them installed anymore
[15:50] <TheCh0sen> BTW I Have an Intel Haswell GPU & The issue didn't occur before hopping to ubuntu
[15:51] <TheCh0sen> all my previous distros were ubuntu 20.04 based
[15:51] <TheCh0sen> those were linux mint 20 and zorin os 16
[16:10] <itu> in $gerät mit WLAN kann ich einstellen es unsichtbar zu machen  ([x] "Hide AP")  - ist sowas wirksam?
[16:16] <itu> sorry, wrong channel ..
[16:50] <CS-Codes> Hi, I recently downloaded Lunar-desktop-arm64.iso on a Virtual Machine - haven't seen this before with other distro's, but Lunar-desktop requires a username/password to login. I've tried a few different combo's I've found online but nothing has worked so far - any help here is appreciated:)
[16:57] <alkisg> CS-Codes: do you have the link to the download link for that .iso? It sounds strange
[16:57] <alkisg> *s/the link//
[16:59] <CS-Codes> Yep - https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ It's a live build
[17:02] <alkisg> Any reason you didn't select the final iso, and you're using a daily build?
[17:02] <alkisg> (btw, try ubuntu/ubuntu)
[17:04] <CS-Codes> yep, unfortunately no ISO available with LTS release for ARM64 that I can find so stuck with the dailies - let me know if you find one however, would much prefer to use that
[17:06] <CS-Codes> And unfortunately ubuntu/ubuntu doesn't work:(
[17:08] <alkisg> Can you modify the command line? If so, add init=/bin/bash, and set a root password from there, and continue with exec /sbin/init
[17:09] <kostkon> CS-Codes, I'm currently using 20.04lts arm64 on a RPi 4 so I'm not really sure what you mean
[17:11] <CS-Codes> I have an M1 Chip, ARM architecture, and am using VMWare fusion - the only setup that has LTS in this case would be to use the Ubuntu Server for ARM https://ubuntu.com/download/server/arm which I also have setup, then too download Ubuntu desktop with 'sudo apt install ubuntu-desktop' from what i've found.
[17:11] <jhutchins> CS-Codes: Default user is "ubuntu".  Password is empty.  Easy to find on the web.
[17:11] <CS-Codes> Also doesn't work jhutchins
[17:12] <kostkon> CS-Codes, oh M1 is a completely different story I guess
[17:13] <jhutchins> CS-Codes: I'm not going to go through all 35,800,000 results for you.  You could add details of your build to the search, or look for info on the site you downloaded it from.
[17:13] <jhutchins> !live
[17:13] <jhutchins> Good ol' braindead bot.
[17:16] <CS-Codes> jhutchins that's a very specific number haha - I did do my fair share of research before asking, I think adding a user via command line might be a good strategy - is there a way to do this in a virtualized env. with a desktop image already booted that you know of alkisg ?
[17:18] <alkisg> CS-Codes: if it's already booted, it's supposed to be safe so you shouldn't be able to log in if it's locked and asking for a password
[17:18] <akik> CS-Codes: i think somebody else had this problem too with arm vm
[17:18] <alkisg> While if you boot it with init=/bin/bash, then you can add the root user, and later on you can login as root and reset the password for any live users there are
[17:19] <akik> CS-Codes: this is all i got about it: https://gist.github.com/Simon-L/b52686269d1d9a3af7feba9eebc672ff
[17:19] <Guest46> join #russia
[17:32] <CS-Codes> Appreciate the insight here akik and alkisg , will be doing a bit more testing to see if I can find a working solution - seems Ubuntu + M1 chip don't play super nice yet
[17:33] <beloveddickhead> disconn
[18:38] <Jym> I want to dd to a USB hdd. How can I determine consistantly it's the correct USB HDD (no matter where it's plugged into?
[18:39] <ravage> ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid
[18:40] <ravage> but if you dd over the whole device that will not the same afterwards anymore
[18:42] <Jym> ravage Basically, I want the usb hdd bootable "duplicate" if the internal hdd. any thoughts?
[18:42] <Jym> s/if/of/
[18:43] <Jym> This is for someone that has ZERO technical skills
[18:43] <ravage> and what is the purpose of that duplicate disk?
[18:43] <Jym> IF the internal hdd fails, just plugin the usb hdd and boot,
[18:45] <ravage> ok but you would have to do that on a regular basis then?
[18:45] <Jym> internal hdd or even the HW fails, could still goto any PC and boot from the ext hdd
[18:45] <ravage> also not a great idea to do on a running system
[18:46] <Jym> I do realize not a good idea on a running system, but it was done on the servers when I worked at a datacenter. We would just remove the defective hdd, swap cables, and install a new hdd, it actually worked and kept things simple.
[18:47] <Jym> ...surprisingly, lol
[18:48] <Jym> I'd probably dd once a week
[18:50] <ravage> i guess you could use udev to detect a usb block devices added
[18:50] <ravage> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/229987/udev-rule-to-match-any-usb-storage-device
[18:51] <ravage> maybe you can find some additional parameters to identify that special hdd
[18:52] <ravage> https://serverfault.com/questions/844109/why-does-udevadm-not-provide-me-a-disk-serial-number-when-hdparm-can answer 2 maybe
[18:53] <ravage> but you would just have to test that
[18:53] <Jym> Thank you, appreciate it =)
[18:54] <Jym> stuuuupid usb moving stuff around on me, lol
[18:55] <Jym> Hmmm, it looks like usb drives does not like reading/writing to itself at the same time, lmao
[18:55] <Jym> drive*
[19:06] <jhutchins> Moving files within a storage device doesn['t usually involve any movement of data.  You just change the indexing.
[19:51] <solsTiCe> hi. when I press the meta key to get the "headsup" gui, and search for a snap, none shows up. why?
[19:56] <kiefer> Hi there! Quick question, is it possible to use Hibernate with SecureBoot on Ubuntu 23? I'm seeing a lot of conflicting answers online, and I haven't been able to get it to work myself yet.
[20:10] <ravage> solsTiCe: that only shows installed applications. if you want to look for installable software there is "Ubuntu Software" or for snaps you can also use https://snapcraft.io
[20:13] <solsTiCe> you tell me snaps are not first class app on ubuntu? looking for a flatpak, just shows up
[20:18] <ravage> they should show up in Ubuntu Software
[20:19] <mantise> !eggdrop
[20:26] <solsTiCe> oh yes. it's my own snap that I installed with '--dangerous' from local file that does not
[20:27] <ravage> It should
[20:27] <ravage> Mine do at least
[20:27] <solsTiCe> by the way, I have that error: Can't update "snap store": (null): cannot refresh "snap-store" nspa "snap-store" has running apps(snap-store), pifs 3004" when I try to update
[20:27] <oerheks> Some problems to fix then, solsTiCe, ' it's my own snap '
[20:28] <ravage> Kill that process
[20:28] <ravage> Try again
[20:29] <ravage> Updating running desktop snaps is still not a great experience
[20:29] <Guest27> does applications on kde use ram than GNOME 😟
[20:29] <oerheks> Guest27, cannot compare, kde and gnome apps are different
[20:30] <Guest27> 🤔🤔🤔
[20:30] <oerheks> only one way to find out; test yourself?
[20:34] <solsTiCe> so what's wrong with my snap, then?
[20:35] <ravage> probably the .desktop file part?
[20:35] <solsTiCe> is it only because it is not from snapcraft.io/some snap store
[20:36] <oerheks> 1. without details, how would we know what is wrong?
[20:38] <oerheks> you might want to seek help in #snappy
[21:37] <Bardon> Hello, I'm having this issue after upgrading to 23.04 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-390/+bug/2017212
[21:37] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2017212 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-390 (Ubuntu) "ASUS N56VM fails to load GUI fresh install of Ubuntu 23.04" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[21:37] <Bardon> How hard it is to downgrade back to 22.10?
[21:38] <Bardon> Ah, just change the repo and sudo apt dist-upgrade? Hmm but it might be unstable
[21:38] <Bardon> so, unstable vs broken..
[21:38] <Jeremy31> Fresh install of 22.10 or 22.04 would be better
[21:38] <genii> There is no downgrade, if you want to revert you have to install it
[21:38] <Bardon> Hmm, right
[21:38] <genii> !downgrade
[21:39] <Bardon> So backup, format and reinstall I guess
[21:39] <Bardon> Thanks
[21:39] <jhutchins> Bardon: I suppose "restore backup" is out of the question.
[21:40] <Bardon> What do you mean by "restore backup"? Is it a fancy feature to automatically restore data?
[21:41] <Bardon> I was more thinking of something like copying /home/ and pasting it in the new install
[21:41] <Bardon> which should be enough
[21:41] <jhutchins> Bardon: Except for the (hidden) configuration dotfiles which may have been upgraded to new incompatible formats.
[21:42] <Bardon> Right
[21:42] <jhutchins> Bardon: Yes, restore backup is a fancy feature to restore data.  It requires making regular backups, particularly if you're changing/upgrading the system.
[21:42] <Bardon> I'll be able to manage that :)
[21:43] <akik> Bardon: for the next time you could check out btrfs and its snapshots (can snapshot the whole os installation)
[21:43] <Bardon> Ah right, I see a "backup" software in my software list. I wasn't aware of it
[21:44] <Bardon> akik: hmm, interesting, I'll check it out
[21:44] <Bardon> Thanks, bbye!
[23:29] <Tempter> hello, I want to use Ubuntu in my Python program, but im executing my Python program on Windows is it possible?
[23:29] <ravage> Ubuntu is an OS
[23:29] <Tempter> I'd like to import Ubuntu so I can use everything
[23:29] <Tempter> ravage: yes I know that
[23:29] <ravage> so how would you import that in python? it is not a loadable module
[23:29] <Tempter> and no, I don't want to use docker
[23:30] <Tempter> that would defeat purpose for my use case
[23:30] <Tempter> ravage: yes, that is my question
[23:30] <Tempter> I couldn't find a way
[23:31] <Tempter> I just want to programmatically access ubuntu functionality without running the entire OS
[23:31] <Tempter> from my Python program
[23:31] <kostkon> Tempter, you are left with one last choice: WSL2
[23:32] <Tempter> kostkon: thought about it, but don't like the 2 in the name, is a bad naming scheme
[23:32] <Tempter> and it restricts where I can run my program
[23:32] <Tempter> plus the end user may not want to go through all the steps to install that
[23:34] <kostkon> Tempter, turn your appliaction into a saas service. That way you can run it in Ubuntu
[23:42] <Tempter> kostkon: that might work


[00:15] <TheSkeward> Hi.  I'm on Ubuntu 10.04 under the XFCE desktop environment, attempting to use Altec BX1220 speakers, and when I plug them in, they light up and give feedback, but no sound comes from them.  Can anyone help me?
[00:16] <TheSkeward> The speaker icon says "100% | 0.00 dB | Internal Audio Digital Stereo (IEC958)" when I mouse over it
[04:17] <wowhead> hello i just upgraded my video card and now i can not log into xubuntu from grub
[04:18] <wowhead> can anyone help me
[04:20] <wowhead> i would like to get back into xubuntu my screen flashes and than nothing how can i fix thid
[04:24] <wowhead> is anyone awake
[04:25] <ridin> mmmm, you might wanna ask in #ubuntu
[04:25] <wowhead> ill give a cookie if anyone can help me
[05:22] <s_andy> hi, im getting an error when i try to log into  any non root sesion on my xubuntu box, it says i have some problem with the power manager and that i should contact my system admin. What should  I do?
[05:22] <s_andy> btw, the problem, besides the error message, is that i just cant start a X session
[06:18] <putaas> please somne help me
[06:19] <psycho_oreos> we're not mind readers
[06:19] <putaas> at gdm, only root is able to login, normal users can't, they get back to gdm...
[06:19] <putaas> sorry
[06:20] <putaas> im trying to see what the problem is but not eve xsession files are being created
[06:20] <psycho_oreos> sounds like you didn't install xubuntu straight off, that is you installed xubuntu-desktop
[06:21] <psycho_oreos> it could also be group rights issues
[06:22] <putaas> i was getting an error a few minutes ago about the poweranager swettngs not being loaded
[06:23] <putaas> a few times i have been able to login  but the seesssion looks weird, well,just, unconfigured
[06:24] <putaas> shouldnt userA be in group userA
[06:24] <putaas> ?
[06:26] <arpad2> hello, good morning
[06:27] <putaas> mornin
[06:27] <arpad2> i restarted my pc
[06:27] <arpad2> and since than it can boot only win7
[06:28] <arpad2> last time it was running transmission on xubuntu
[06:28] <putaas> xubuntu is starting too behave weird with me too
[06:28] <arpad2> grub2 also disappeared
[06:29] <putaas> everytime i reboot is a different thing missing or working different
[06:29] <psycho_oreos> no I think the normal user should also be a member of other groups rather than being a group of its own
[06:29] <psycho_oreos> are these from upgrades?
[06:30] <putaas> yep
[06:30] <putaas> i think i had installed originaly xubuntu 9
[06:30] <arpad2> what i know is that during my installation i didnt install grub 2 the best way
[06:30] <psycho_oreos> upgrades are never done cleanly imo, probably best to backup all personal data and do clean install
[06:30] <putaas> nooooooooooooooooooo
[06:31] <psycho_oreos> arpad2, was windows installed after xubuntu?
[06:31] <arpad2> yes, indeed
[06:32] <psycho_oreos> arpad2, that's the problem, windows tends to overwrite the MBR of the hard disk/SSD with its own boot loader
[06:33] <arpad2> yes, but last night i didnt do any OS installation
[06:33] <arpad2> only doing with regular programs
[06:34] <arpad2> so i shall try booting with live cd?
[06:34] <psycho_oreos> so you had xubuntu and windows working on dualboot with grub2 and all of the sudden, the last thing you did on computer was using transmission on xubuntu which somehow caused grub2 to disappear completely?
[06:34] <arpad2> yes
[06:35] <arpad2> i didnt switch pc overnight
[06:35] <arpad2> switch off
[06:35] <psycho_oreos> have you updated/upgraded any programs in the process?
[06:35] <arpad2> not as far i can remember:)
[06:35] <psycho_oreos> are the update/upgrades done automatically?
[06:35] <arpad2> not
[06:36] <arpad2> automatic is only the notification
[06:36] <psycho_oreos> well I guess the only way is to recover grub2 as per usual
[06:37] <arpad2> as shown at help.ubuntu.com?
[06:59] <psycho_oreos> or however you did it in the first place :)
[11:54] <slow-motion> hi
[13:07] <nicofs> During boot i get the message "Unable to detect available WMID devices" - which slows down my boot. How can i remove that. [Running Acer Aspire One 532h, N270 1,66GHz, latest Xubuntu]
[13:40] <nicofs> How can I speed up my boot process? I recently upgraded my netbook with an SSD - but i am still far away from these 10-second-boot promises i heard. [Running Xubuntu on Acer Aspire One 532h, N270@1,66GHz]
[13:41] <TheSheep> nicofs: whoever made that promise, he lied
[13:41] <Sysi> you don't need to repeat
[13:41] <Sysi> are you counting login to that time?
[13:41] <nicofs> TheSheep: even 20 second would be an improvement...
[13:41] <nicofs> Sysi: i am not repeating... and i disabled login.
[13:42] <Sysi> install bootchart
[13:42] <nicofs> sysi: ok, will try...
[13:46] <nicofs> sysi: i installed is... how do i use it? or is installing enough already?
[13:46] <nicofs> sysi: *it
[13:47] <Sysi> reboot and see /var/log/bootchart/
[13:52] <nicofs> sysi: /var/log/bootchart is empty...
[13:52] <Sysi> hrm
[13:53] <Sysi> i have files there and i didn't remember it's installed
[13:58] <gaussfrank> Hi,everbody
[13:59] <D347H-C0D3> Hi gys... I just used debootrap for ubuntu 8.04 on my ubuntu 9.04(hosted on virtual box). When i tried installing xfce desktop on ubuntu 8.04 the folowing error came: http://paste.ubuntu.com/464024/
[13:59] <gaussfrank> Can anyone tell me how to set the window color in xubuntu
[14:00] <Sysi> gaussfrank: install/change theme, for many default themes it changes with gtk-theme
[14:00] <gaussfrank> I want to change on my opinion
[14:00] <Sysi> make own theme :P
[14:01] <gaussfrank> Only want to change a white-color-window into a green-color-window
[14:01] <gaussfrank> Oh,how can I do it easily?
[14:01] <TheSheep> gaussfrank: you can use an existing theme as a base
[14:01] <Sysi> oh wait, what do you mean by "window color"?
[14:02] <TheSheep> gaussfrank: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/Tutorials/GtkThemes
[14:02] <gaussfrank> For example
[14:02] <gaussfrank> You can see white in Mousepad
[14:02] <gaussfrank> Sorry for my ugly English.
[14:03] <Sysi> D347H-C0D3: you could try to reinstall cups
[14:05] <gaussfrank> I meant that the color background in a window or a dialog
[14:05] <D347H-C0D3> Sysi: When i run apt-get install xubuntu-desktop that cups package is downloaded
[14:06] <D347H-C0D3> Sysi: The error comes during installation
[14:06] <Sysi> debootstrap can give odd problems..
[14:07] <Sysi> gaussfrank: are you looking for something like gnome-color-chooser?
[14:09] <gaussfrank> Maybe yes. I edited it in gnome easily. Or instead, edit some configure files.
[14:10] <gaussfrank> For another example,we can change "web background" color in firefox.
[14:11] <gaussfrank> I want to edit all window like firefox.
[14:14] <gaussfrank> Is there any tool like this?
[14:25] <gaussfrank> Oh,Sysi,not gnome-color-chooser
[14:28] <gaussfrank> http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/download/file.php?id=35548&mode=view/1.png
[14:28] <gaussfrank> In gnome, we can edit color in there
[14:30] <Sysi> afaik there isn't anything like that in xubuntu
[14:30] <Sysi> but if you can save theme "created" like that, you can maybe use it
[14:31] <gaussfrank> oh,but can i edit it by editing some configure file.
[14:31] <Sysi> i think they are in gtk theme
[14:31] <gaussfrank> I've found theme files in system. maybe /usr/share/**
[14:32] <gaussfrank> Then there's a file named gtkrc
[14:33] <Sysi> yeah, that's the gtk-theme
[14:36] <gaussfrank> I don't know which one is what I want to edit
[14:36] <gaussfrank> I don't know the one which I want to edit
[14:37] <gaussfrank> There are many color settings in this file. I'd edited a one, but .............
[14:44] <gaussfrank> Is there any official manual
[14:44] <gaussfrank> If i get it, i can search for translations.
[15:08] <gaussfrank> Sysi
[15:09] <Sysi> search for "creating gtk-theme" or something
[15:09] <gaussfrank> what does 'style "default"' mean
[15:09] <gaussfrank> Is it?
[15:12] <gaussfrank> If I search "creating gtk-theme' in Chinese, I found how to MFC and how to VC++ ......
[15:15] <bazhang> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=944189 no easy way gaussfrank
[15:18] <gaussfrank> It's the most difficult way for me is to read English......So I translate it in Google Translation
[15:57] <gaussfrank> I failed
[15:57] <gaussfrank> I edited style "default"
[15:57] <gaussfrank> but
[15:59] <solotim> hello. my prime partition is shortage of space, so I moved my /home to another partition and created a symbolic links pointed to that. I wonder if I can do the same thing to other root directories. Any suggestions?
[16:02] <TheSheep> solotim: try 'sudo apt-get clean'
[16:03] <TheSheep> solotim: this will clean apt-get cache
[16:07] <solotim> TheSheep: that's far from enough, I've tried.
[16:07] <solotim> whatsoever, there are only 200M left in my prime partition
[16:07] <TheSheep> you can move any directory in / to another partition and mount it in that place
[16:08] <TheSheep> but that usually requires booting from a cd, so that the files are not in use while you move them
[16:08] <TheSheep> it's common to have /var and /usr on separate partitions
[16:11] <solotim> Yes, I thought the same way.  I've managed to mv /var to another partition.  But for /usr it is a little bit unsafe I feel
[16:12] <solotim> since the binary file 'sudo' sits in /usr/bin, it seems we can't cp those kinds of special file.
[16:14] <solotim> I get no cd driver. My solution is firstly cp the whole directory tree to another partition, and then mv, say /var, to /var_bk, and "sudo ln -s /media/sda5/var /var"
[16:19] <solotim> hello, TheSheep, are you there?
[16:21] <Sysi> you can boot from usb
[16:25] <solotim> Sysi: I can't. LOL, this is a pretty old computer  Dell C600
[16:25] <solotim> Thanks for the advice
[16:29] <Sysi> i forgot 'maybe' :p
[16:34] <bourke> hi, in xfce compiz seems to be putting shadows over my menu bars until I mouse over them. would anyone know how to disabl this?
[16:39] <charlie-tca> Day 4 of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloper Week starts in 20 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[16:50] <knome> charlie-tca, one space too many? :)
[16:52] <nicofs> Can anyone help me fix my 3g modem? it's there and recognized as such, i can create a connection. when i try to connect the first time - it shows the connecting-icon for a few seconds and then goes to "Disconnected". If i retry after that it goes to "Disconnected" right away. If i try to connect via wvdial i get "invalid dial command". The SIM has no PIN, i have reception and the problem persists with various providers. I was able to co
[16:53] <charlie-tca> knome: Oh! yeah, I guess so
[18:24] <arpad2> hello everybody!
[18:25]  * likemindead waves.
[18:26] <arpad2> what does it mean if with fdisk -l command on live cd only one out of two HDD s is seen?
[18:30] <nicofs> Can anyone help me fix my 3g modem? it's there and recognized as such, i can create a connection. when i try to connect the first time - it shows the connecting-icon for a few seconds and then goes to "Disconnected". If i retry after that it goes to "Disconnected" right away. If i try to connect via wvdial i get "invalid dial command". The SIM has no PIN, i have reception and the problem persists with various providers. I was able to co
[18:31] <charlie-tca> nicofs: your paragraph is too long. The last visible part reads "I was able to c "
[18:32] <ridin> c food
[18:32] <ridin> see? aaaa
[18:33] <nicofs> Can anyone help me fix my 3g modem? it's there and recognized as such, i can create a connection. when i try to connect the first time - it shows the connecting-icon for a few seconds and then goes to "Disconnected". If i retry after that it goes to "Disconnected" right away. If i try to connect via wvdial i get "invalid dial command". The SIM has no PIN, i have reception and i was able to connect before.
[18:39] <slow-motion> re
[18:58] <Facu> hola?
[18:58] <Facu> alguien que hable español?
[18:58] <charlie-tca> !es
[19:00] <arpad2> what does it mean if the BIOS cant detect the hard drive?
[19:00] <Sysi> sounds like broken hard drive
[19:01] <arpad2> end of the lifetime for that item?
[19:01] <Sysi> can be
[19:01] <arpad2> or can it be revitalised somehow?
[19:01] <charlie-tca> could be the cable, too
[19:02] <arpad2> so , to go with it to a service coold help..
[19:03] <arpad2> unfortunately xubuntu was on that drive?(
[19:49] <charlie-tca>  Xubuntu presentation in Ubuntu Developer Week at 19:00 UTC today in #ubuntu-classroom
[20:03] <nicofs> Can someone help me troubleshoot my 3g modem? it stopped working (i can't connect anymore)
[20:11] <nicofs> Can someone help me troubleshoot my 3g modem? it stopped working (i can't connect anymore)
[20:45] <simar> Hi everyone.
[21:39] <wowhead> i just upgraded my video card and i can not log into xubuntu the screen just flashes than goes blank could someone help me with this
[21:41] <wowhead> can anyone help me with this
[21:42] <charlie-tca> !patience
[22:50] <nicofs> can anyone help me with my 3g modem? i can't connect anymore. i'm trying sakis 3g atm, but it doesn't work... neither does wvdial ("invalid dial command"). I need help. i need that connection to work 2morrow...
[23:25] <slow-motion> n8
[23:35] <nicofs> there is a program in my Software Menu in the category "Network" which i need to start from console - how can i find out how it is called? The name displayed in the menu is not the name of the package...
[23:36] <Sysi> is there something like "about" in menubar (if any)?
[23:37] <nicofs> "About Xfce"
[23:38] <Sysi> in that window i mean
[23:39] <nicofs> you mean the program i'm looking for? it won't start from the menu... i suppose it needs sudo - hence the console...
[23:40] <ridin> what's the program called?
[23:40] <ridin> ndiswrapper?
[23:41] <nicofs> ridin: Mobile Partner
[23:41] <ridin> .
[23:42] <ridin> where did you get it
[23:42] <ridin> ubuntu software center
[23:42] <ridin> ?
[23:42] <nicofs> ridin: http://www.acer.com/aspireone/support/files/connect.html - came with a shell script...
[23:43] <nicofs> ridin: apparently, ubuntu doesn't provide anything that get's me connected to 3G
[23:48] <totoro> nicofs: ftp://ftp.acer-euro.com/netbook/aspire_one_110/linux/application/huawei081126.sh.zip ?
[23:49] <nicofs> totoro: yes, that...
[23:49] <totoro> .zip, extract that
[23:49] <totoro> and then double click the .sh file
[23:50] <nicofs> totoro: i am not asking how to install it... i need to know, how to start the programm i installed from a terminal...
[23:50] <totoro> type in macles
[23:50] <totoro> just a guess
[23:52] <nicofs> totoro: guess what my guess was...
[23:53] <totoro> that i guessed wrong
[23:53] <totoro> ??!?!?!?
[23:53] <nicofs> totoro: yep. macles didn't work...


[16:00] <blackboxsw_> falcojr: thanks for the hotplug PR part 2. I'll look in detail later today https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/936


[08:11] <elacheche> Morning!
[08:11] <elacheche> Morning!
[08:16] <Kilos> helloooo africa and elacheche
[08:17] <elacheche> Hey Kilos :)
[08:20] <elacheche> Kilos, you don't have comments/ideas about that mail :p
[08:21] <Kilos> not sure what other perks they could find
[08:21] <Kilos> but your one is an expensive one
[08:22] <Kilos> good one though. only can be rather expensive
[08:22] <elacheche> I don't think it's that expensive, if we compare it to Gandi one :)
[08:23] <Kilos> i know nothing of that
[08:24] <Kilos> but its good to get many ideas together and then talk to cc
[08:24] <Kilos> or even involve them from the beginning
[08:25] <elacheche> That's what I'm looking for.. Ideas..
[08:26] <elacheche> the idea of Aoron is great too, but expensive as well :D
[08:26] <Kilos> every thing is nowadays
[08:26] <elacheche> I'm not looking for discussions about if it's possible or no
[08:26] <elacheche> t
[08:27] <elacheche> I'm looking for IDEAS, then we can filter them and send them to CC.. and we try to figure out if it's possible to get them or not
[08:27] <Kilos> i would have liked an ubuntu phone as a perk
[08:27] <Kilos> but work out the cost if every new member gets one
[08:27] <elacheche> If we ignore any idea from the begenning will never knew if we can get it or not.. We need to ask for it first :)
[08:27] <Kilos> and then the gripes from existing members
[08:28] <Kilos> yes, dont be afraid to ask
[08:28] <Kilos> they can only say no at worst
[08:29] <elacheche> Exactly :) And will lose nothing by getting a NO.. :D But maybe will win by getting a YES :)
[08:31] <Kilos> yeah
[08:31] <Kilos> haha
[08:34] <elacheche> I know that am trying to be always honest.. I thought about the LFC because I like having it.. But it's too expensive for me (1$ = 2 TND).. The worst is we are forced to a quota of 500$/year..
[08:35] <elacheche> I know that am not the only one out there with the same issue.. There is many Africans & Arabs with the same issue..
[08:36] <elacheche> But any perk will be OK, we need just to have a list before our next meeting with CC :)
[08:36] <Kilos> there are peeps all over the world struggling
[08:36] <Kilos> i read yesterday the are 45 million americans on food stamps
[08:37] <elacheche> :/
[08:37] <Kilos> and things are just going to keep getting worse
[08:38] <Kilos> here especially
[08:38] <Kilos> our Rand has fallen dramatically in the last few months
[08:38] <Kilos> and years
[08:39] <Kilos> when i was young 1Rand was 63 US cents
[08:39] <Kilos> yesterday it hit 18 rand to 1 dollar
[08:39] <Kilos> nono i have it wrong
[08:40] <Kilos> 63 of our cents was 1 dollar back in the day
[08:40] <elacheche> :o
[15:24] <Na3iL> Hello Africa


[13:44] <bjonkman> ?
[14:21] <dscassel> Decisions, decisions.
[14:21] <dscassel> bjonkman: Would you be interested in giving me a lift to the Toronto release party?
[14:29] <dscassel> My other option is going to watpy and handing out CDs to promote the Kwartzlab party... :D
[15:00] <cpbell> So many release parties, so little time.  ;-)
[21:09] <BobJonkman> Always remember, never forget: IRC chat tonight in three hours!
[21:09] <BobJonkman> IRL at Kwartzlab in Kitchener, if I'm not mistaken.
[21:27] <DarwinSurvivor> anyone know the subject of the chat? or is it another ubuntu-canada general meeting?
[23:24] <BobJonkman> Are we here yet?
[23:38] <BobJonkman> DarwinSurvivor: It's a general meeting; agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/2012-04-10
[23:59] <BobJonkman> Here we go...


[00:10] <Jordan_U> I was very close to telling mrojas6996 that we don't support Windows 95 after seeing those screenshots. I don't understand why anyone would do that.
[00:29] <elky> Jordan_U, often to trick family into not blaming ubuntu ;)
[15:09] <mneptok> the first thing i think of when i hear DPMS is the US firearms manufacturer. and yes, sometimes i want to shoot my monitor.
 i am really trying to get some windows 95 speed on a unix kernel with my box
[15:42] <bazhang> oh yeah
[16:10]  * genii-around tries to remember if thats the same guy who had some windows95 background when doing alt-tab
[17:09] <bazhang> adami seems to be caught in a recursive loop
[18:49] <adami1097> Help
[18:49] <adami1097> please remove it
[18:49] <ikonia> adami1097: please stop
[18:49] <ikonia> adami1097: I've just removed you from the #ubuntu channel
[18:49] <adami1097> lol I know
[18:49] <ikonia> I removed you as the first line after I asked you not to type in caps was written in caps
[18:49] <adami1097> Ok
[18:50] <adami1097> please
[18:50] <adami1097> i'm sorry
[18:51] <ikonia> you can come back tomorrow
[18:51] <ikonia> I'm tired of messing around with you
[18:53] <adami1097> sorry but I need help
[18:53] <adami1097> I found out ircd deleted znc
[18:53] <ikonia> it didn't
[18:53] <ikonia> I'm not wasting more time wiht you
[18:53] <ikonia> with you
[18:53] <ikonia> please leave and come back tomorrow
[18:53] <adami1097> u don't have to
[18:54] <ikonia> no, but when I asked you to stop contacting me, you continued and starting pm'ing me also
[18:54] <adami1097> Please let me back to see if anyone can help
[18:54] <ikonia> despite me asking you to wait 2 times for someone else
[18:54] <adami1097> I won't
[18:54] <ikonia> and despite me having to kick you for not following a previous warning
[18:54] <ikonia> so now - please wait it out and come back tomorrow
[18:55] <adami1097> I can't
[18:55] <ikonia> ok, the don't. Either way, we are done here
[18:55] <adami1097> Please let me back I won't contact u and i'm sorry
[18:55] <ikonia> you had too many chances in a short period of time
[18:55] <ikonia> no
[18:55] <adami1097> I didnt know
[18:56] <ikonia> didn't know what ?
[18:56] <adami1097> I had got your messages after I asked last tim
[18:56] <adami1097> yimr
[18:56] <adami1097> time
[18:56] <ikonia> sorry, now I know you're telling lies
[18:56] <ikonia> we are done. Bye
[18:56] <ikonia> please leave this channel
[18:56] <adami1097> I'M NOT
[18:56] <adami1097> please
[18:56] <ikonia> you are welcome back tomorrow
[18:56] <adami1097> I need this
[18:56] <adami1097> please
[18:56] <adami1097> I won't bother u
[18:56] <ikonia> adami1097: don't come back again before tomorrow
[18:56] <ikonia> please
[18:57] <adami1097> please 1 last chance
[18:57] <ikonia> no
[18:57] <adami1097> I know how to fix znc
[18:57] <ikonia> it won't change - so please leave. You're welcome back tomorrow
[18:57] <adami1097> no
[19:05] <adami1097> No
[19:06] <Pici> no?
[19:10] <adami1097> ikonia plz
[19:10] <IdleOne> adami1097: May I PM you?
[19:10] <adami1097> about what?
[19:11] <IdleOne> I think I might be able to help you with your ZNC problem
[19:11] <adami1097> ok then


[15:22] <Neo> Hello?
[15:22] <Neo> Hello?
[15:23] <Guest51177> Hello?
[15:23] <smartboyhw> !patience | SuperDuperGuest
[15:26] <SuperDuperGuest> I am rather new to linux, even if I use 12.04 LTS for work. I wanted to install ubuntu on my home pc and noticed that it looked much different. I apperently didnt like the unity stuff... then I installed the gnome version 13.04 and everything again looked different from what i have at work... probably gnome 2.X. My question was: is there a difference from installing ubuntu gnome or installing ubun
[15:26] <SuperDuperGuest> tu und adding the gnome "style" or how you call it?
[15:27] <SuperDuperGuest> from = between, here ;)
[15:27] <smartboyhw> SuperDuperGuest, well, at least Ubuntu GNOME gives you a much better GNOME experience
[15:29] <SuperDuperGuest> what is at the core of the "gnome experience" you refer to? I'm very new to all of this and since I found out that there is all kinds of KDE, XFCE, GNOME, ... STUFF i dont even know what exactl it does, I just know that it looks different. can you explain to me, what all of this means on a deeper level ;)
[15:30] <smartboyhw> SuperDuperGuest, OK, wait, at first glance which one do you like? KDE, XFCE, GNOME? These are all different stuff?
[15:30] <smartboyhw> Eh, no question mark at the end...
[15:34] <SuperDuperGuest> ok, smartboyhw, I really like how the newer gnome looks and feels like during navigation. However, I dint try all of the available distros to compare
[15:34] <SuperDuperGuest> I only know unity, old gnome and newest gnome
[15:34] <smartboyhw> SuperDuperGuest, hmm, try them all out....
[15:34] <smartboyhw> In a VM...
[15:34] <SuperDuperGuest> under windows?
[15:34] <SuperDuperGuest> or under linux?
[15:35] <SuperDuperGuest> or is it sufficient to boot all of them as a live cd and play around and see what i like most?
[15:36] <smartboyhw> SuperDuperGuest, probably a better idea using Live CD. Don't install them, just try them out
[15:38] <SuperDuperGuest> oh and one more question. due to the largest userbase and probably largest developerbase, I feel driven towards using ubuntu over different releases especially Netrunner, of which i really liked the artstyle. This is mainly because I think that 1. sstem will be more stable and universal and 2. system will not easily die out because 20 million people are using it


[00:06] <Dan8765_linux> well that waws a pain
[00:07] <Dan8765_linux> had to remove the sound card
[00:07] <Dan8765_linux> was blocking access to the fdd
[00:07] <Dan8765_linux> slot
[00:07] <Dan8765_linux> i did manage to back up about 1 gigs worth of stuff
[00:07] <Dan8765_linux> i had 2 ipod shuffles
[00:07] <Dan8765_linux> one is 500 megs the other is 1 gig
[00:08] <Dan8765_linux> got those to mount w/ thel ive cd
[00:08] <Dan8765_linux> my firelite drive wouldnt' mount
[00:08] <Dan8765_linux> guess i didnt disconnect it properly in xp
[00:08] <Dan8765_linux> so xbun wouldnt mount it
[00:08] <Dan8765_linux> if it formats my e: partition i'm gonna cry like a baby
[00:09] <Dan8765_linux> got lot of blender work on there
[00:09] <Dan8765_linux> that i didnt back u
[00:09] <Dan8765_linux> p
[00:12] <Dan8765_linux> you still there zore?
[00:12] <zoredache> somewhat...
[00:12] <Dan8765_linux> i did an fdisk /mbr from a:
[00:12] <Dan8765_linux> now i reboot
[00:13] <Dan8765_linux> it works
[00:13] <Dan8765_linux> windows!!!
[00:13] <Dan8765_linux> thatnk u
[00:13] <zoredache> np...
[00:13] <zoredache> make backups of your data
[00:14] <zoredache> get a portable drive that you use for backups only... make them regularly...
[00:14] <Dan8765_linux> yeah
[00:15] <Dan8765_linux> i need some kinda auto back setup
[00:15] <Dan8765_linux> back up
[00:15] <zoredache> also get a rescuecd version of linux like the alt installer cd, or perhaps sysrescuecd (http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page)
[00:15] <Dan8765_linux> like redundant hdds or somehtin
[00:15] <zoredache> redundant drives don't protect you from destroying your data
[00:16] <zoredache> they only protect you from equipment failures
[00:16] <Dan8765_linux> i really liek that live cd i got now though at least i culd get to my files
[00:16] <Dan8765_linux> true
[00:16] <zoredache> if you where running linux all the time, I would suggest using dirvish for backups...
[00:17] <zoredache> once it is setup it works really well
[00:17] <Dan8765_linux> i know squat about linux
[00:17] <zoredache> I think dirvish is where Apple stole their idea for Time Machine from
[00:17] <Dan8765_linux> i first thought of using it when i heard walmart had a computer for 200 bucks that used it
[00:18] <Dan8765_linux> so i thought, i'll put it on my other pc
[00:18] <Dan8765_linux> that is kinda slow
[00:18] <Dan8765_linux> this one
[00:18] <Dan8765_linux> i jsut use it to surf
[00:18] <Dan8765_linux> bit torrent
[00:18] <Dan8765_linux> and luckily to xchat
[00:19] <Dan8765_linux> i isntalled blender to on it
[00:21] <Dan8765_linux> gtg thanks for you help. happy new year
[03:07] <centzon> hi
[03:08] <centzon> anyone know where i can download the alternate install cd?
[03:08] <centzon> ive googled and looked in the xubuntu and ubuntu sites
[03:09] <centzon> and i couldnt find it
[03:38] <somerville32> http://xubuntu.org/get
[03:42] <centzon> thanks
[04:11] <magic_ninja> FreeFontPath FPE:"usr/share/fonts/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1 fixint.
[06:05] <frederick85> how big is a xubuntu iso cd
[06:05] <frederick85> this site doesn't have it
[06:05] <frederick85> ftp://ftp.iinet.net.au/pub/ubuntu-releases/releases
[06:58] <shashai> hi there any one can help
[06:58] <shashai> ?
[07:21] <BubblegumTate> I'm in xfce and my panels aren't showing and I can't bring up the panels manager. How can I kill/fix this?
[10:13] <demonskier> how do I sign in as root
[10:20] <sugardrunk> demonskier, why?
[10:21] <demonskier> cuz im trin to move my drivers directly into the file system so i dont accidentally delete them later on
[10:22] <demonskier> otherwise they sit in home with the million other random files
[10:23] <demonskier> any ideas
[10:23] <sugardrunk> demonskier, use sudo?
[10:23] <frederick85> is xubuntu supposed to look like gnome
[10:24] <demonskier> im a noob so i dono the commands on how to use sudo ... i tried but have no idea wat the syntax is... normally i just copy off the web when installing files
[10:25] <frederick85> demonskier: to perform things like system tasks u need root access. typing sudo prior to a command allows you to perform tasks as root
[10:26] <frederick85> demonskier: well not as root but close enough
[10:27] <sugardrunk> demonskier, i guess you can just use your file manager if you are bad with terminal, eg. sudo thunar or sudo nautilus etc.
[10:27] <frederick85> demonskier: yes you can use the file manager in root mode by typing what sugardrunk said in your console
[10:28] <demonskier> o ok thnx
[10:28] <demonskier> and just for future reference is there anywhere i can learn some of the terminal commands
[10:28] <frederick85> demonskier: *NIX is just very particular about file permissions compared to windows
[10:29] <frederick85> demonskier: another tip you can use * and tab in terminal to speed things up. Autocompletion.
[10:29] <demonskier> k thnx a lot
[10:30] <frederick85> now I have a question. How can I get device eth1 to auto start when I boot
[10:30] <demonskier> k it works thank you guys a lot
[10:31] <frederick85> Im doing it manually with ifup eth1
[10:31] <frederick85> demonskier: you'll find alot of help for a question like that in #ubuntu but just ignore people who call you n00b and I wouldn't call yourself that either
[10:32] <demonskier> lol k thnx
[11:49] <abs512> hi, can anyone help me? trying to compile evtouch, now getting ./configure error "No package 'x11' found" from pkg-config
[11:50] <abs512> I have already googled for solution for 3 hours - found same error, but no solution...
[11:51] <slimjimflim> abs512 did you try `sudo apt-get install x11`
[11:52] <abs512> E: Couldn't find package x11
[11:52] <slimjimflim> abs512 did you try enabling non-default repos?
[11:52] <abs512> command?
[11:52] <abs512> no
[11:53] <abs512> I have not, how do I do that?
[11:54] <slimjimflim> edit /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment all the urls
[11:54] <slimjimflim> you can find more repos on google
[11:55] <slimjimflim> but that should make x11 work
[11:55] <slimjimflim> just add more in anywhere if you want
[11:55] <abs512> k, iĺl try that then, ty
[11:58] <slimjimflim> np
[11:59] <slimjimflim> anybody know how to get xfce to ask me if i want to kill an app when it times out the way that gnome does (at least on ubuntu gutsy)
[13:26] <NoranRad> has anyone tried to use (x)ubuntu on a sony vaio sz61mn?
[14:39] <martinZGR> hi, i'm on xubuntu gutsy, and there's a problem with instalation of flashplugin-nonfree - when i mark it in synaptic the installation begins and after download the md5 checksum is incorrect
[14:40] <vinze> martinZGR, that's right, there was a bug with that
[14:40] <vinze> martinZGR, wait a sec...
[14:40] <martinZGR> ok
[14:40] <vinze> martinZGR, http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/12/26/manually-install-adobe-flash-temporary-flashplugin-nonfree-fix/
[14:40] <vinze> (Also read through the comments, I believe there were packages somewhere)
[14:41] <martinZGR> vinze, thanks very much:)
[14:41] <vinze> np :)
[15:42] <paulgray> hi
[15:42] <paulgray> I've got a problem with xubuntu live cd
[15:42] <vinze> Hey paulgray
[15:42] <paulgray> 7.10 version
[15:43] <paulgray> I cannot login with username "ubuntu" and blank passwd
[15:43] <paulgray> could someone help? :)
[18:07] <evil_tech> anyone have problems with linux being really slow on an Asus P4P800?
[18:19] <Freddy2> hi
[18:19] <evil_tech> hi
[18:19] <Freddy2> a few days ago i disabled automatic updates, so the icon on systray went away, but after reenabling them it doesn't return.. how can be don?
[18:20] <Freddy2> *done
[18:21] <thruxton> Freddy2: there hasnt been that many updates in the last couple of days
[18:22] <Freddy2> right now it's been manually updated, but i'd like to get it back (the icon at systray)
[19:04] <evil_tech> ping
[19:44] <lopex21> hi
[19:48] <lopex21> does anyone know if theres a way to kick start xubuntu?
[19:48] <zoredache> sorry, but what do you mean?
[19:48] <lopex21> i installed it last night and when i was done i put it into hibernation
[19:48] <lopex21> and now it wont start
[19:48] <lopex21> or even show a bios screen
[19:49] <zoredache> if you don't see the bios, that would be an indication of a computer failure, not xubuntu...    Do you hear the fans turn on?
[19:51] <lopex21> the fans turn on, hard drive, cd drives, etc
[19:51] <lopex21> all those turn on
[19:51] <lopex21> but nothing shows up on the screen
[19:51] <lopex21> i chekced the connection and checked with another monitor
[19:52] <solowlr> somehow I got rid of the top panel on the desktop and now I have no idea how to get it back...
[19:54] <zoredache> solowlr: if the bottem panel is still present right click on it, and choose customize panel...  And a new panel and position it in the top left corner
[19:55] <zoredache> lopex21: I don't have any ideas for you.  I suspect you had some hardware failure that just coinciendentally happened...
[19:56] <lopex21> ok
[19:56] <lopex21> thanks for your help though
[19:56] <lopex21> i think ill try to take out the cmos battery
[19:56] <lopex21> and hope for the best
[19:56] <solowlr> zoredache: got it!  thanks!
[20:17] <slow-motion> hi
[20:18] <evil_tech> ping
[20:20] <VertexOfLIfe> A quick question about the installer. If the installer repeatedly gives me /usr/bin/dpkg error code (1) should I be worried?
[20:21] <VertexOfLIfe> Hello? =P
[20:21] <evil_tech> dunno
[20:21] <VertexOfLIfe> lol Oh well
[20:21] <rick21> i got something to work!!!!!
[20:21] <VertexOfLIfe> No one seems to know in k/x/ubuntu
[20:22] <evil_tech> im still trying to get a working system again
[20:22] <VertexOfLIfe> What happened?
[20:22] <evil_tech> anyone know how to turn off irq polling?
[20:22] <karltk> VertexOfLIfe: there's usually an additional error which might indicate what the real problem is.
[20:23] <evil_tech> found a P4P800 deluxe but linux refuses to run on it
[20:23] <karltk> VertexOfLIfe: which "the installer" are you referring to, btw?
[20:23] <VertexOfLIfe> karltk: An additional error? Xubuntu
[20:23] <VertexOfLIfe> 7.10
[20:23] <evil_tech> narrowed the problem down to the Promise ide controller. forums suggested i try stopping irq polling
[20:24] <karltk> VertexOfLIfe: when does it show up?
[20:25] <VertexOfLIfe> After completing 100%, it continues onto 101...110 etc, it says post-installation install script
[20:25] <CW1> hi all
[20:25] <karltk> VertexOfLIfe: that sounds really funky.
[20:26] <VertexOfLIfe> karltk: I am at the loginscreen right now..I'll poke around, and if anything seems wonky I'll reinstall
[20:26] <VertexOfLIfe> karltk: It seems to have to do something with the language packs, because it is proccessing them when it spits out the errors
[20:26] <karltk> VertexOfLIfe: you might just try to drop into a console/terminal and do a sudo apt-get update + sudo apt-get upgrade
[20:27] <VertexOfLIfe> Aye
[20:27] <karltk> VertexOfLIfe: aha. I've noticed issues with them myself, but nothing that I've been able to reliably reproduc:(
[20:27] <karltk> VertexOfLIfe: a bit of fiddling with apt-get, and it resolved itself in my case.
[20:28] <VertexOfLIfe> karltk: Yeah, I'll upgrade and keep a watch out for any issues.
[20:28] <VertexOfLIfe> karltk: There's already one...but not unexpected
[20:29] <VertexOfLIfe> Every linux distro hates my monitor. Optiquest has absolutely shit support
[20:29] <CW1> i just installed xbuntu on a old laptop and everything went good now i cant get a desktop what is the command for that? any help would be greatful :LD
[20:29] <CW1> ;
[20:29] <CW1> ;
[20:29] <VertexOfLIfe> CW1: Um, isn't it apt-get install xubuntu-desktop? Did you use the installer?
[20:30] <karltk> VertexOfLIfe: viewsonic shouldnt be a huge problem. I thought they were pretty much auto-configured these days, with dpms and all.
[20:30] <VertexOfLIfe> CW1: LiveCD?
[20:30] <VertexOfLIfe> karltk:  Not viewsonic, it's Optiquest Q9, and all the distros assume it's 60 hs, and it's actually 5hz refresh. Chancng the refresh rate usually does it, but it dosent work right now..
[20:30] <VertexOfLIfe> hz*
[20:30] <CW1> i got the cd from the website
[20:31] <VertexOfLIfe> 75*
[20:31] <CW1> cant remember which one it was
[20:31] <VertexOfLIfe> CW1: And the desktop is not loading post-installation?
[20:31] <CW1> it was for any system
[20:32] <VertexOfLIfe> Okay, tell me, what are you looking at after bootup?
[20:32] <karltk> VertexOfLIfe: I was under the impression that the optiquests were produced by viewsonic, but I may easily be mistaken on that one.
[20:33] <CW1> xubuntu-6.06.1-alternate-i386 <--thats the 1 i got and nstalled
[20:33] <VertexOfLIfe> karltk: Hm, you may be right. I have no idea. My parent's monitor.
[20:33] <VertexOfLIfe> CW1:  oh, you used the text-based installer
[20:33] <kblo> does anyone know why firefox can't run flash installed on system side??
[20:34] <CW1> yea thats it sorry iam new to this
[20:34] <VertexOfLIfe> CW1: I don't know much about the text-based installers...
[20:34] <evil_tech> what about them?
[20:34] <VertexOfLIfe> CW1: When you start up, what do you see?
[20:35] <VertexOfLIfe> evil_tech: He used the alternate xubuntu cd, and apparenly is looking for a desktop.
[20:35] <evil_tech> he must have installed a command line only system on accident
[20:35] <karltk> kblo: what do you mean by that?
[20:35] <Flare183> is xubuntu only avaiable in DVD form for the US
[20:35] <evil_tech> flare183: no
[20:35] <VertexOfLIfe> Flare183: no, I know the site you're talking about
[20:36] <kblo> karltk: that I could install flash by firefox
[20:36] <CW1> well it starts up and just gives me a black screen after booting asking for my login and password then stays in bash command line
[20:36] <Flare183> VertexOfLIfe: yeah on the download page it says "United States(DVD)
[20:36] <Flare183> VertexOfLIfe: yeah on the download page it says "United States(DVD)" (correction)
[20:36] <evil_tech> CW1: type sudo init 6
[20:36] <evil_tech> and tell us what it does
[20:36] <kblo> karltk: I had to run the installer by normal user
[20:36] <VertexOfLIfe> Flare183: I got that too, click on it, it's actually a LiveCD I don't know why it says that
[20:36] <karltk> kblo: I've installed the flashplugin-nonfree package (yes, I know, I've strayed from the fsf motto)
[20:37] <Flare183> VertexOfLIfe: ok thanks
[20:37] <kblo> karltk: I tryed but didn't worked
[20:37] <karltk> kblo: (from the multiverse)
[20:38] <kblo> when I run aabout:pluigns on firefox it wasn't show nothing
[20:38] <karltk> kblo: did it show up in firefox when you entered the url "about:plugins"?
[20:38] <karltk> kblo: hmm..
[20:38] <kblo> but know it's working
[20:38] <kblo> know I'm tryiong java6
[20:40] <karltk> kblo: I've installed sun-java6-plugin for that.
[20:40] <kblo> karltk: me too,
[20:41] <kblo> karltk: but I couldn't acess the site with java
[20:41] <kblo> f
[20:42] <VertexOfLIfe> kblo: I had the same problem. What I had to do was go to synaptic, remove flash-plugin-nonfree, gnash, and gnash libraries, then find a website on firefox that had flash and have firefox install it when the "Install missing plugins" option appeared.
[20:42] <karltk> kblo: but it shows up in about:plugins?
[20:42] <kblo> YES
[20:42] <kblo>  Java(TM) Plug-in 1.6.0_03
[20:42] <l337turkey> Hey guys how do you get the alternate cd?
[20:43] <kblo> l337turkey: froim the xubuntu's downloads page
[20:43] <karltk> kblo: weird. check that you don't have too many weird symlinks in your ~/.mozilla/firefox/*.default/plugins dir
[20:43] <VertexOfLIfe> l337turkey: http://www.xubuntu.org/get
[20:43] <evil_tech> http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/DVDs/xubuntu/7.10/release/
[20:43] <CW1> all it done was reboot
[20:44] <l337turkey> is the alternate with the larger one?
[20:44] <evil_tech> you have no desktop installed is my guess
[20:44] <karltk> (names
[20:44] <karltk> whoops;)
[20:44] <evil_tech> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[20:44] <evil_tech>  will install it
[20:44] <l337turkey> cause i gotta get linux with a gui on a machine with 64mb of ram
[20:44] <evil_tech> try DSL or Fluxbuntu then
[20:45] <kblo> VertexOfLIfe: I try to do this but it gives me an error after all
[20:45] <l337turkey> Are they "N00b" friendly
[20:45] <evil_tech> so so
[20:45] <VertexOfLIfe> kblo: after trying to do it through firefox?
[20:45] <CW1> it switched to run level 6 and restarted
[20:45] <evil_tech> oops
[20:45] <kblo> VertexOfLIfe: Yes
[20:45] <evil_tech> damn my fingers
[20:45] <evil_tech> sorry CW1
[20:45] <VertexOfLIfe> l337turkey: Fluxbuntu is not at all, my parents hated it, brother couldent figure it out' I haven't had any experience with DSL
[20:45] <l337turkey> does fluxbuntu have  a live cd?
[20:46] <VertexOfLIfe> I found fluxbox really frustruating.
[20:46] <evil_tech> i meant init 5
[20:46] <VertexOfLIfe> kblo: did you try restarting firefox and trying again?
[20:46] <evil_tech> i think they do now. not sure though been a while since i played with it
[20:46] <kblo> yes sure
[20:46] <l337turkey> does anyone have any experence with DSL?
[20:46] <CW1> its cool ill try it again lol
[20:47] <karltk> l337turkey: yes, a little. I wouldn't give it my mom, but it's pretty decent!
[20:47] <evil_tech> ive ran DSL but never played with more than what is there by default
[20:47] <karltk> l337turkey: erm, "to my mom", I suppose it should read...;)
[20:47] <l337turkey> Alright can it run like firefox or WINE or really just doom?
[20:47] <VertexOfLIfe> l337turkey: http://www.tuxs.org/livecds.htm has a review of DSL
[20:48] <karltk> l337turkey: ff should be okay. never tried wine.
[20:49] <l337turkey> alright will try the live CD thanks
[20:49] <VertexOfLIfe> kblo: The only other thing I can think of is either rebooting, reinstalling firefox, or compling the flash-plugin..
[20:53] <spacecat> hi
[20:53] <evil_tech> any luck CW1?
[20:53] <spacecat> i have a question about gcc and gdc
[20:53] <spacecat> plz private msg me
[20:54] <CW1> now it looks like it is stuck just says switching to runlevel 5 sending processes the term signal
[20:54] <evil_tech> yeah i think you must have installed a command line system only
[20:55] <evil_tech> to get a GUI you'll have to install it via command line. sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[20:56] <CW1> would a command line system install grub? ( yea i know it should iam just asking to make sure )
[20:56] <zoredache> CW1: yes
[20:58] <zoredache> CW1: why did you start with 6.06?
[21:00] <CW1> well cause iam just running it on a AMD K6 cpu with only 64mb of memory
[21:01] <evil_tech> ouch
[21:02] <CW1> and from what i read from the website that was the best choice to go with
[21:02] <evil_tech> thats arguable
[21:03] <l337turkey> CWI: Try DSL thats what I'm about to do with a system with 64mb of RAM
[21:03] <CW1> yea i know its a long shot to get it to work right but anythig is got to be better than windows 98
[21:03] <CW1> lol
[21:03] <evil_tech> this is true
[21:03] <evil_tech> xubuntu will be rather slow on 64mb ram
[21:04] <CW1> the color want work right with DSL
[21:04] <spacecat> i really like xubuntu
[21:04] <evil_tech> you could try fluxbuntu. only problem with that is you have to know how to configure it
[21:04] <spacecat> runs great on old machines
[21:04] <vinze> spacecat, and on new machines ;-)
[21:05] <spacecat> fedora looks nicer tho
[21:05] <evil_tech> meh
[21:05] <vinze> spacecat, you can theme Xubuntu to look like Fedora ;-)
[21:05] <spacecat> so i have a question about installing a D compiler
[21:05] <spacecat> once i gmake it
[21:05] <evil_tech> anyone have linux running on an Asus P4P800? cause i cant get it to run
[21:06] <spacecat> im not sure if its an extension of gcc
[21:06] <spacecat> or a differentprogram all together
[21:07] <CW1> i got a p4p800 asusus iam on now but iam running xp pro on it
[21:07] <evil_tech> yeah xp runs fine
[21:07] <evil_tech> linux chokes and dies
[21:07] <evil_tech> i think i have narrowed it down to the promise controller
[21:08] <CW1> the guy that sent this pc to me had linux on this pc
[21:08] <evil_tech> forums say its an IRQ issus since it has both IDE and SATA and that a bios update fixed it
[21:08] <evil_tech> but i have the latest bios
[21:09] <CW1> think he had mandrake on it its a 2.6 with 512mb memory
[21:09] <evil_tech> i've got a 3.06 and 3gb memory
[21:09] <CW1> DAMN
[21:10] <evil_tech> yeah
[21:10] <evil_tech> should have no problems
[21:10] <evil_tech> resources wise
[21:10] <CW1> none at all
[21:11] <CW1> bet it will smoke a dvd when it burns one lol
[21:11] <evil_tech> it hangs after finding the promise controller the drives attached to it and this message : hda: host protected area => 1
[21:12] <CW1> brb let me see if i can get the desk top down loading
[21:12] <kblo> f!!
[21:17] <CW1> wooo hooo its downloading it now
[21:19] <evil_tech> :)
[21:19] <CW1> thanks evil_tech that was a great big help to me
[21:21] <CW1> its been over a year sense i have installed Linux on anything and i done forgot the commands i did learn
[21:23] <l337turkey> I just got the livecd on my 98 machine and it works way better than 98
[21:23] <evil_tech> lol
[21:23] <evil_tech> thats not too surprising
[21:23] <CW1> when i started out on Linux i used Mepis
[21:24] <l337turkey> but is there a way to use dail-up with it till i get a router?
[21:24] <evil_tech> i've been using ubuntu since 4.04
[21:24] <CW1> lol theres goes another windows 98
[21:24]  * vinze too :)
[21:24] <l337turkey> also how to mount my HDD
[21:25] <evil_tech> is it DSL
[21:25] <l337turkey> yeah
[21:25] <evil_tech> right click and i think it is ... damn i cant remember
[21:25] <l337turkey> lol il find it out
[21:25] <evil_tech> let me see if i can get it running under qemu
[21:26] <CW1> well i was trying different verision of linux at the time but b4 i made it to ubuntu all my pcs got burnt up in our house
[21:28] <CW1> we lost almost everything i had like 10 to 12 pcs
[21:29] <CW1> now iam down to this 1 that was gave to me right after the fire and it took me a year to get internet back
[21:31] <l337turkey> would mount /dev/hd01 work?
[21:33] <l337turkey> o wait i found the program
[21:33] <spacecat> so do you guys have any usefull tips
[21:33] <evil_tech> dsl puts drives in mnt
[21:33] <spacecat> for a beginner
[21:33] <evil_tech> beginner to what exactly
[21:33] <vinze> spacecat, to read the manual, lots of useful information in there :)
[21:34] <evil_tech> well i got linux running in qemu at least
[21:35] <evil_tech> ooo 4.2 looks pretty
[21:36] <CW1> mines still updating or it was installing them when i just checked on it
[21:38] <CW1> got tobe installing them cause the lights on the front of my roughter/modem is just on and not flashing lol
[21:38] <CW1> router*
[21:39] <CW1> <---got big fingers for the this keyboard
[21:39] <evil_tech> stupid question: does the repos for ubuntu work on DSL since they are both debian?
[21:49] <spacecat> this is some slutty preteen emogirls email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(add her!!)
[21:51] <l337turkey> hey guys whats the best way of getting DSL on my Harddrive without getting rid of my files
[21:51] <l337turkey> ?
[21:52] <evil_tech> files on the hard drive?
[21:53] <l337turkey> like the music and pictures and word shit
[21:53] <evil_tech> well ideally that stuff would be on  a seperate partition
[21:53] <evil_tech> so i would defrag in windows
[21:54] <evil_tech> then resize the partition and to make space for DSL
[21:55] <l337turkey> Is there a partiton resizing on the livecd?
[21:56] <evil_tech> yeah
[21:56] <evil_tech> you'll have to install it though
[21:56] <evil_tech> sudo apt-get install gparted
[21:57] <l337turkey> do I have to download it?
[21:57] <vinze> evil_tech, can't the installer also resize partitions?
[21:57] <evil_tech> yeah
[21:57] <vinze> Also, I thought Gparted *was* on the install cd
[21:57] <evil_tech> i dont think its installed by default
[21:57] <evil_tech> parted and fdisk cli tools are
[21:57] <vinze> Yeah, it is on the LiveCD, just doesn't get installed
[21:57] <evil_tech> but i dont think the gui is
[21:58] <evil_tech> probably wrong
[21:58] <evil_tech> i always use the alternate install so..
[21:58] <vinze> Ah well, if it's not there it's easy to install, not that much of a problem ;-)
[21:59] <l337turkey> so i still have to download it though eh?
[21:59] <vinze> Not sure, I believe not but I could be wrong of course
[21:59] <l337turkey> kk i will try
[22:09] <l337turkey> well i don't think its installed by default
[22:09] <vinze> Not? It's supposed to be in Applications->System->GNOME partition editor
[22:09] <l337turkey> is it hard to compile things?
[22:10] <vinze> Depends on your definition of "hard": I don't really like to do it and often do not succeed
[22:11] <l337turkey> Ohh well i need wine but don't really feel like using dial-up
[22:11] <vinze> Why would you need to compile wine?
[22:12] <l337turkey> because i would have to use apt-get but i don't want to download it with dial-up
[22:12] <vinze> l337turkey, you can also download the packages now manually and put them on a USB drive or something
[22:13] <l337turkey> really that would be useful
[22:13] <vinze> l337turkey, http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=wine&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all
[22:14] <vinze> You'd have to download the dependencies too though, and I'm not sure which are pre-installed
[22:15] <l337turkey> what ones do i need to download for dls
[22:15] <l337turkey> dsl*
[22:15] <vinze> You mean Damn Small Linux dsl?
[22:16] <l337turkey> yes
[22:16] <vinze> Ow, don't know if you can use Ubuntu packages for that
[22:16] <l337turkey> ohh ok
[22:16] <evil_tech> ive heard of people doing a dist upgrade from DSL before
[22:16] <vinze> http://damnsmalllinux.org/packages.html says: "Also, keep in mind that Damn Small is not pure Debian based. "
[22:16] <evil_tech> complicated stuff though
[22:18] <l337turkey> il try the debian install from WINE's site
[22:20] <evil_tech> i want to throw this stupid board in the street
[22:24] <evil_tech> anyone who has linux running on an Asus P4P800 Deluxe private message me
[22:44] <l337turkey> Well i just figured out that DSL will use rpm's
[22:44] <l337turkey> i think...
[23:09] <quaal> anyone know why the xubuntu7.10 cd i put in my tvpc just boots to busybox initramfs prompt
[23:42] <Nostahl> hi all
[23:42] <Nostahl> how's xubuntu life
[23:43] <zoredache> pardon?
[23:43] <Nostahl> how do you like xubuntu
[23:43] <Nostahl> im downloading it atm
[23:43] <Nostahl> cant wait to try it
[23:45] <zoredache> I like it fine
[23:46] <Nostahl> what mainly do you use your computer for
[23:47] <zoredache> I am a network administrator.... I am responsible for about 40 linux hosts (deb4.0) and 20 w2k3 servers, and 1 OSX server.  I xubuntu on my workstation to manage everything.
[23:48] <Nostahl> neato
[23:48] <zoredache> so I use lots of network client stuff rdp/ssh/etc...
[23:48] <Nostahl> maby you can tell me...
[23:48] <Nostahl> what is needed to set up a way to remote download stuff to a different computer?
[23:49] <Nostahl> ie. i was thinking of setting up one of my secondary desktops
[23:49] <Nostahl> to just do downloads
[23:49] <Nostahl> leaving my main pc's free but i'd like to initiate the downloads from my main pc etc
[23:49] <zoredache> what protocol?  http, or something else?
[23:49] <Nostahl> http aye
[23:50] <Nostahl> just normal everyday internet browsing downloading etc
[23:50] <zoredache> why?
[23:50] <Nostahl> i was just contemplating if it were possible
[23:51] <Nostahl> it'd keep my main pc's hd free of fragmentation longer etc
[23:51] <Nostahl> and running speedyer
[23:51] <billy_idle> gn8
[23:51] <zoredache> downloading files shouldn't make your computer slower, or have a big impact on fragmentation...
[23:53] <zoredache> anyway, just setup a box, ssh and use lynx, wget or some other command line browser
[23:56] <Nostahl> k
[23:59] <evil_tech> ping


[19:30] <gordonjcp> hello
[19:30] <gordonjcp> anyone got much experience with capturing video from DV camcorders?


 @RikMills [and I see you did: https://salsa.debian.org/qt-kde-team/qt/qtspeech/-/commit/f8f …], I think the subsequent commit should fix it? … https://salsa.debian.org/qt-kde-team/qt/qtspeech/-/commit/3e25621a43810037a5ce36d9157ca0cbbfe3b710
 @mitya57 [I think the subsequent commit should fix it? … https://salsa.debian.org/qt-kde-te …], logical. thanks!
 @mitya57 https://packaging.neon.kde.org/qt/qtspeech.git/commit/?h=Neon/release&id=a0cd657f2dd7b9e1c389c781c1be75c4a780b63b
 so which is right? not install the cmake file, or have the -dev package depend on the plugin?
 or should I say, "better"
 @RikMills [so which is right? not install the cmake file, or have the -dev package depend o …], IMO not installing CMake files is better. They are useless in Linux distributions (and we have a consensus about that with Lisandro).
 ok, cool :)
 The Qt 5.15 update on Neon seems a bit 'bumpy' so far. Maybe better when they get 5.15.1 done.....?
 I think the decision to wait for 5.15.1 might have been wise ;)
[21:04] <valorie> it usually is....