[12:35] <czajkowski> Aloha
[12:36] <nigelb> heya czajkowski :)
[12:36] <nigelb> hows your saturday morning :)
[12:37] <nigelb> well, afternoon
[12:37] <czajkowski> grand just back in limerick after a sunny drive down from dublin
[12:37] <czajkowski> mulling over mail
[12:37] <nigelb> a week of backlog?
[12:38] <czajkowski> a week of marking mails for actions and now starting to follow up on them
[12:39] <nigelb> :)
[12:41] <czajkowski> and attempting to explain for the 4th time about how I didnt want to be on a video at UDS and it's up and the person wont remove it
[12:41] <czajkowski> as they like their links!
[12:41] <czajkowski> >:(
[12:41] <nigelb> lol, benjamin?
[12:41] <czajkowski> yup
[12:42] <czajkowski> though I'm not lolling
[12:42] <nigelb> well, its almost no use. Even sabdfl blogged about that video
[12:42] <czajkowski> yeah all it shows is the omgubuntu folks have no respect for others tbh
[12:43] <doctormo> czajkowski: The video I saw on OMG had you removed
[12:43] <nigelb> there is thing, when you have a cam in your hand and someone tells you don't shoot me, 90
[12:43] <nigelb> 90% chance, they would shoot you anyway
[12:43] <czajkowski> new one but haven't removed the old one, I'm a bit reluctant because it's been linked and embedded on peoples' blogs
[12:43] <czajkowski> is the answer I got
[12:44] <czajkowski> meh omgubuntu folks seem to have a large fan base so they really dont seem to give a toss about others opinions and do what they want
[12:45] <nigelb> Note for next time, make sure its strictly followed :/
[12:45] <nigelb> i.e. whatever you tell them
[12:49] <doctormo> czajkowski: Like most people in this stupid world IMO
[12:50] <doctormo> They could have easily edited you out of the video, that wouldn't have hurt the embeding.
[12:51] <AlanBell> argh
[12:52] <doctormo> czajkowski: Did you sign the agreement about appearing on video at UDS? Just curious.
[12:52] <AlanBell> doctormo: that is irrelevant
[12:52] <czajkowski> most folks know I dont like cameras, I am actually shy so when I did the loco council video that was a big thing for me. I agreed to it. having omgubuntu shove the camera in my face I didnt
[12:53] <doctormo> AlanBell: irrelevant to logic, not to omg rationale.
[12:53] <czajkowski> doctormo: I signed it for uds sessions, canonical stuff. not for a randomer to shove a camera iin my face
[12:53] <AlanBell> I had a chat with Ben, thought it was all sorted
[12:53] <czajkowski> I chatted to
[12:53] <czajkowski> when he doest like what is said he doesnt answer
[12:53]  * czajkowski mutters!
[12:54] <AlanBell> czajkowski: yeah, I pressed different butttons though
[12:54] <czajkowski> AlanBell: I was very polite.
[12:54] <AlanBell> so was I
[12:54] <AlanBell> I didn't have to squeeze very hard
[12:54] <czajkowski> next point after me being polite comes me being very public about being annoyed and omgubuntu doing this stuff
[12:56]  * czajkowski goes to call up to the counsins and play with the baby
[12:56] <czajkowski> bye
[12:56] <czajkowski> ;)
[12:59] <nigelb> lol, package building messages are fun "Checking if the environment is sane ... yes" lol


[06:27] <ohsix> anyone know offhand if i can get perf to use linux-source for annotation somehow?
[06:28] <ohsix> the vmlinux in -dbgsym is in a place it can't find it without help, too
[08:42] <smb> Morning .+
[08:43] <smb> Looks like the other rtc revert just made it into 3.2... tight...
[09:24] <zenith> smb: hi
[09:24] <smb> morning
[09:24] <zenith> remember yester i was trying to debug/triage my touchpad issues?
[09:24] <zenith> *yesterday
[09:24] <smb> yes
[09:25] <zenith> so i tried i8042.debug (without i8042.reset) and noticed some interesting things in my dmesg (http://tinypaste.com/09a3ef7d)
[09:25] <zenith> thoughts?
[09:26] <smb> Yes, I think I do not know the ps2 protocol right from my head... :-P
[09:26] <smb> but let me look anyway
[09:27] <zenith> k
[09:29] <smb> So first thing about the multiple MADT, you can try to have the 2nd used. Usually it does not really make a difference.
[09:30] <smb> Querying the Linux _OSI, in rare cases it improves things, but often it limits functionality of the ACPI BIOS.
[09:31] <zenith> ok, so i should try "acpi_apic_instance=2" parameter when booting, right?
[09:32] <smb> _BCQ, not sure the function is mandatory, but it would make sense to have, an omission of the BIOS authors. Right, as hinted in dmesg.
[09:32] <smb> But as said, could change nothing
[09:34] <zenith> anyway I will give it a shot :)
[09:34] <zenith> how about the i8042 errors?
[09:37] <smb> Well, I would need to look up what the various bytes mean. But generally looks a bit like the communication is having trouble. And since you can get it working with the i8042.reset it feels like the bios does not do it correctly
[09:39] <smb> Generally it sounds like adding that machine to the exception table of the driver is the right action. The only thing that has me a bit concerned is that I do not have a real feeling about whether this is all machines of that kind or some or only certain bioses...
[09:41] <zenith> hmm.. i'm unable to find any kind of BIOS update on the Lenovo site, and looking for a it on the *huge* ibm site is daunting :(
[09:41] <cking> it's quite an old machine isn't it?
[09:41] <zenith> yup
[09:42] <zenith> :)
[09:42] <cking> 2007-2008 kinda era?
[09:42] <zenith> yeah. the BIOS version is from 2006 !
[09:43] <smb> So little chance to see anything changing there
[09:43] <cking> http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/downloads/detail.page?&LegacyDocID=MIGR-67616 - I can't see a BIOS update for this model
[09:43] <zenith> yeah nothing there, nothing on any lenovo forums :(
[09:44] <smb> And probably also having any code changed, given it can be made working by a boot option... :/
[09:44] <zenith> doesn't the open source movement have any replacements for the BIOS ? :-p
[09:45] <cking> if only it were that easy...
[09:46] <smb> if the open source bios would know what a every vendor has done to any machine they sold...
[09:48]  * ppisati catched a bad cold... just before leaving... crap... :P
[09:48] <zenith> its touchpad and keyboard have been an issue since interpid ... plus, since i can't find any current users of this model, i can't discuss it with anyone :(
[09:49] <cking> zenith, it does seem like a rare machine - I've googled around and can't find much on it
[09:50] <smb> Cannot find the generic ps2 doc but the auxerr I think is because of the loopback test for the aux port fails (which would be the connection to the mouse). Can happen because of real problems or because the command is not implemented in hw correctly. And the rest looks like it fails to tell the controller it can receive data now.
[09:50] <cking> so it's probably an EC issue?
[09:51] <zenith> cking, yeah, though the Ubuntu forums do have many members complaining about it !
[09:51] <smb> But as cking said it is a rare machine and old. So making a general change always will face the problem of that you cannot be sure this is the right thing for _all_ of the models and machines out there
[09:52] <zenith> so can we say for sure that the BIOS is at fault ?
[09:53] <cking> seems more probable than not IMHO
[09:54] <zenith> is there anything else i can try/test ?
[09:57] <zenith> ok, so i found this software (http://biosagentplus.com/?ref=752), recommended by the Phoenix website, but it runs only on windows
[09:57] <zenith> the good news is i have dual-boot !
[09:58] <zenith> so will try that out to see if my BIOS has any updates...
[09:58] <smb> I can feel that this is not really satisfying... you could try to convince upstream (beleive Dmitry Thorokov or  so) to have reset hard coded for you machine... But if everything works just ba adding i8042.reset, there is at least a work around for it.
[10:01] <zenith> hmmm... i'm also getting a new laptop in a few months or so and the few(!) Y500 users around the world might also replace it in a few years...
[10:01] <cking> any laptop > 4 years old is getting to "replacement" phase of it's life :-)
[10:03]  * smb also worked with a boot option on a desktop until the problem resolved itself (iow the motherboard went completely nuts)...
[10:03] <zenith> lol... i know its been due for long but i'm not a frequent changer, fyi, it has been a great machine with not a *single* problem since i bought it
[10:04] <zenith> i just installed more RAM last year
[10:04] <cking> yeah, I've had a Lenovo 3000N200 for > 4 years and it's rock solid
[10:05] <zenith> :)
[10:06] <zenith> its only that before giving up i want to make sure that it's the BIOS and i can't do anything about it
[10:09] <zenith> if i become sure, i will go to each and every post in the Ubuntu  forum (and the oh so many posts about this everywhere else) and blame the BIOS... so at least the next guy will not pull his hair...
[10:12] <zenith> anyways, so i'll try that BiosAgentPlus (its tagline is "Extend the life of your computer with a BIOS update!", if only that were true) in WinXP and get back here if i find something
[10:13] <zenith> cking, smb: until then, ciao, & thanks a lot for your help
[10:14] <smb> Sure. Sorry for not having a better solution. Though at a certain age of hw things get more pragmatically.
[10:15] <zenith> yeah. if u do find anything, i can be reached at siddhantsaraf at gmail dot com, bye !
[10:25] <smb> ppisati, Sorry for ignoring you earlier on. So you should not have been close to apw on mumble the last couple of days. :-P Hope you manage to recover a good bit in the next couple of days.
[10:29] <apw> ppisati, yeah get well, please try and leave it at home
[10:30] <ppisati> i'll try but it's hard... i'll bring it with me as a gift for you all... :)
[10:31] <ppisati> preemptive Ubuflu...
[10:31] <smb> You mean the gift as its meaning in German...? ;)
[10:32] <ppisati> uhm... don't know the meaning in German
[10:32] <apw> i hope its the one i am just getting over
[10:32] <diwic> smb, in Swedish, "gift" means both "married" and "poison". :-)
[10:32] <apw> heheh, no comment
[10:32] <smb> lol
[10:34] <apw>       drm/i915: Disable semaphores by default on SNB
[10:34] <apw>       drm/i915: Disable RC6 on Sandybridge by default
[10:34] <apw> cking, that first one sounds like something else bad for performance power on snb
[10:34] <cking> sad trombone
[10:34] <apw>       Revert "rtc: Disable the alarm in the hardware"
[10:34] <apw>       Revert "rtc: Expire alarms after the time is set."
[10:34] <apw> smb, those are the two you needed right ?
[10:35] <cking> it's like a continuing trainwreck of silicon badness
[10:35] <smb> apw, Mine only was the second
[10:35] <smb> but yes it just made it
[10:38] <stgraber> hey there. Just got a usb soundcard here that seems to need CONFIG_SND_USB_6FIRE, any specific reason why this one isn't built in the Ubuntu kernel or should I file a bug so we can build it in Precise?
[10:40] <apw> stgraber, file a bug for precise at least, likely its experiemental
[10:40] <stgraber> apw: ok, will do
[10:42] <smb> apw, yep experimental, added in 2.6.39
[10:43] <apw> smb, its not experiemental now tho.
[10:44] <stgraber> bug 912197
[10:44] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 912197 in linux "Please enable CONFIG_SND_USB_6FIRE" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/912197
[10:45] <smb> apw, right. strange... shouldn't that have turned up at the review...? Not that I would remember if it did...
[10:45] <apw> smb, i guess it was before the better review s/w support
[10:46] <apw> though i wonder why its not in the non-modular modules list
[10:47] <smb> apw, experimental was removed in 3.0-rc1
[10:47] <apw> so we should have seen it transition last cycle then
[10:47] <smb> right... maybe we have...
[10:47]  * apw regens the report to see
[10:47] <smb> probably should look back into the spec...
[10:48] <apw> though that takes 10 mins
[10:51] <apw> || CONFIG_SND_USB_6FIRE || n || n || n || n || n || n || n || n || n || n || n ||  ||
[10:52] <apw> CONFIGS-info:CONFIG_SND_USB_6FIRE N/m/y m m
[12:01] <LetoThe2nd> howdy! is there some recommended way to build modules for testing/learing out-of-tree on ubuntu? if yes, which one?
[12:12] <apw> LetoThe2nd, not sure there is a documented way.  whats the out of tree module
[12:12] <LetoThe2nd> apw: generic, like working through the ldd3 book for learning.
[12:13] <apw> the headers packages (installed by default) should include enough of the source build infrastructure to allow building of traditional out of tree modules in the normal way
[12:14] <LetoThe2nd> apw: pointer maybe?
[12:14] <apw> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/build-linux-kernel-module-against-installed-kernel-source-tree.html
[12:15] <LetoThe2nd> thx :)
[12:15] <apw> well that sounds like it has the right sort of flow, not tried those specific instructions tho.
[12:15] <LetoThe2nd> same variation in details is ok, just looking far a basically good way to start
[12:16] <apw> i think thats debian-ish, so we may already have the build link in place, and you should have headers installed by default
[12:16] <LetoThe2nd> :)
[12:30] <LetoThe2nd> apw: works like a charm, thanks :)
[12:31] <apw> LetoThe2nd, good to know
[12:32] <LetoThe2nd> apw: thats why i usually report back
[12:38] <apw> yep, thats always good, rare, but good
[13:46] <smb> herton, I had hoped to have waited for the bot long enough. Unfortunately it opened up 911994 not until I had done the rebase to <IP_ADDRESS>.83 with 911230. What would you prefer to get out of this? Just mark the new one invalid with a comment? Or also mark it as a duplicate of the old one?
[13:47] <herton> smb, I saw that, I marked it as duplicate of the old one this morning
[13:48] <smb> bjf, or for you info too. Just not sure when to expect you to be "up"
[13:48] <smb> herton, Ah, should have refreshed... :-P
[13:49]  * smb thinks he just made it back ahead of the real shit wheather...
[13:50] <apw> smb, yeah we are having bands of vile weather too
[13:51] <Kano> hi, did anybody test rt2800pci with 3.2?
[13:52] <smb> apw, It is now wind, pouring rain and thunder
[13:52] <apw> not me
[13:57] <Kano> i identified that module, as soon as i load it the system crashes
[13:58] <Kano> must be since at least rc2 because kernel 3.2 did never boot on my netbook
[13:59] <Kano> and on my other system i have got dmar errors in dmesg only avoidable by adding intel_iommu=off ,do you have got a system with that problem?
[14:03] <apw> there may be some iommu changes in the 3.2 final, that seems familar
[14:04] <apw> but no i don't have anything with either of those behaviours
[14:04] <Kano> h55 board,nv card
[14:05] <apw> nope, i have no nvidia at all
[14:05] <apw> not that realtek being a heap is entirly something new
[14:08] <arges> herton, hello! when verifying bugs that are tagged 'verification-needed-natty', if someone else has posted that they confirm that the problem is solved should I still verify again, or is the other users comment sufficient?
[14:08] <arges> herton, for example: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/769927
[14:08] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 769927 in linux "Kernel Oops : Dentry still in use (1) [unmount of nfs4 0:1d]" [Undecided,Fix committed]
[14:09] <Kano> rt2800pci worked flawlessly at least from .38 kernel till 3.1, before i did not have got that netbook
[14:09] <herton> arges, yes, if they test the -proposed kernel, which is the case (comment #43)
[14:10] <herton> arges, I'll set the tag there as verified on natty
[14:10] <arges> herton, ok great! thanks, I'll update appropriately in the future.
[14:12] <apw> Kano, as you see the issue i guess you'll have to bisect for it
[14:12] <Kano> fun, then i would have to compile the kernel on another box...
[14:12] <apw> you run the dailies anyhow, you could start with t
[14:12] <apw> the various -rcN's to get a rough window
[14:13] <Kano> i can not go below rc2 because it did not build on 32 bit
[14:13] <apw> but no finding and fixing bugs is no fun
[14:13] <Kano> the error must be before
[14:15] <apw> that cuts your window at least
[14:17] <Kano> maybe it is possible to build just that module against 3.1 and it breaks there too
[14:19] <ogasawara> apw: thanks for rebasing.  gcc update is finishing up it's build on arm, then I'll upload.
[14:19] <apw> or you can debug the panic
[14:19] <apw> as it happens after you modprobe you at least get diagnostics
[14:19] <Kano> well i have got pictures
[14:20] <Kano> http://kanotix.com/files/fix/crash/
[14:20] <Kano> not sure if you get something usefull out of em
[14:24] <apw> Kano, those are all anchient mainline kernels, the newest seems to be -rc4
[14:25] <Kano> i know, it happend the same on all newer ones
[14:29] <apw> waht is the latest you have tested
[14:30] <Kano> 3.2 final, but did not make a  picture
[14:32] <Kano> i tested blacklisting nic drivers only because it booted on other netbooks with differnt nics
[14:59] <tgardner> ogasawara, bouncing gomeisa and tangerine
[14:59] <ogasawara> tgardner: ack
[15:12] <apw> tgardner, i assume if T is up she has come back ?
[15:12] <tgardner> apw, yep. I'm updating the precise chroots
[15:12] <apw> ogasawara, i have been cleaning up some aufs history, so you may find some odd ordering in the tree as it is
[15:13] <ogasawara> apw: ack
[15:13] <tgardner> apw, ogasawara: yeah, its time to start squashing some of the noise in the git history
[15:13] <apw> ogasawara, i am just build testing some an update to that per the blueprint WIs, i will need to force the head so will be needing to coordinate with yas
[15:16] <ogasawara> apw: cool.  so you think you'll be ready to push relatively soon (eg before EOD for you?)
[15:16] <apw> yeah should know in an hour if it builds ok, if so then it can go in, we don't use it either way
[15:16] <tgardner> apw, the tangerine precise chroot seem borken. I think I'll have to re-install.
[15:16] <apw> tgardner, ack
[15:25]  * ogasawara back in 20
[15:35] <tgardner> apw, am looking at the kernel top 10. are you working with slangasek to backport the udev fix to Oneiric ?
[15:35] <tgardner> bug #842560
[15:35] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 842560 in linux "bnx2 firmware missing" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/842560
[15:36] <tgardner> jsalisbury, I don't think 842560 needs to be on the top 10 list anymore. its pretty well handled.
[15:37] <jsalisbury> tgardner, ok, I'll remove it.
[15:37] <tgardner> jsalisbury, as is bug #904569
[15:37] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 904569 in linux "Linux 3.0.0-15 causes laptops to fail to resume from suspend (Dell XPS 1645, Sony Vaio VPCF1390)" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/904569
[15:38] <jsalisbury> tgardner, ok, thanks.
[15:38] <tgardner> jsalisbury, and bug #790863
[15:38] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 790863 in linux "Unable to start lxc container after update to 2.6.32-32" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/790863
[15:39] <jsalisbury> tgardner, great :)
[15:39] <apw> tgardner, its on my radar yep
[15:40] <jsalisbury> tgardner, done.  It takes about 30 minutes for the report to be updates.
[16:13] <apw> ogasawara, ok ... how is the tree, i have something to push
[16:23] <ogasawara> apw: go for it, I've not touched it
[16:24] <apw> ogasawara, ous
[16:25] <apw> ogasawara, pushed
[16:26] <ogasawara> apw: thanks
[16:26]  * ogasawara preps upload
[16:26] <apw> ogasawara, drops a bunch of old tat for aufs, much nicer
[16:31] <wmp> hello, where i can found 3.2 package to 11.10 ?
[16:33]  * cking goes and attempts to restore Win7 on his laptop .. I feel tainted...
[17:06] <jsalisbury> wmp, Oneiric is based on the 3.0 kernel.   Are you looking for the Precise 3.2 kernel?
[17:11] <tgardner> apw, for some reason I thought we were dropping aufs in favor of overlayfs
[17:12] <apw> tgardner, that is our desire, we are starting to see some problems, which i want to look at at rally, seems pbuilder won't work for instance which is a bit of a problem
[17:12] <jsalisbury> smb, Do you know if ext2 not supported by the -virtual kernels?  bug 912308
[17:12] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 912308 in linux "ext2 boot partition not recognized by linux-virtual" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/912308
[17:12] <apw> tgardner, so i figured i would clean up the mess aufs has become so we are in a good place if we have to fall back
[17:12] <vanhoof> wmp: poorly named ppa, but these might be of use for you
[17:12] <vanhoof> wmp: https://launchpad.net/~vanhoof/+archive/fwts-live-mainline
[17:13] <apw> jsalisbury, its likely not built in, so it may depend if they have a proper initramfs
[17:13] <vanhoof> wmp: i rebuild the precise uploads against oneiric for a project I'm working on
[17:13] <smb> jsalisbury, Let me check the config. But could be ext2 is a module. Then one would need to force probe it...
[17:13] <apw> jsalisbury, moving ext2 not builtin is new in P
[17:13] <jsalisbury> smb, apw, ahh ok.
[17:13] <apw> smb, wouldn't mount normally do that for you ?
[17:13] <vanhoof> wmp: feel free to use them if they're helpful to you
[17:14] <smb> apw, Hm, should be. If its put into initrd..
[17:14] <apw> smb, ahh it could be a lack of module in the initrd, which might mean its missing from something in mkinitramfs tools or similar
[17:15] <smb> apw, or did we have it rather in extras...? trying to get hold of a package to make sure...
[17:15] <apw>                 btrfs ext2 ext3 ext4 ext4dev isofs jfs nfs reiserfs udf xfs \
[17:15] <apw> those are all in 'base-modules' so i'd expect they'd work
[17:16] <apw> smb, oh you mean we have left it out of linux-virtual cause it was built in, so we never noticed, thats likely
[17:16] <smb> apw, yep its in extras
[17:17] <apw> ahh so jsalisbury we need to convert that bug to say linux-virtyal should include ext2 module
[17:17] <jsalisbury> apw, ok, will do.
[17:18] <apw> smb, shall i fix it ?
[17:18] <smb> apw, jsalisbury Just wondering how you do a standard install with lvm and have the virtual kernel...
[17:18] <apw> ogasawara, where we at witht he uploads
[17:18] <ogasawara> apw: there's time
[17:18] <ogasawara> apw: I just kicked off a test build, but I can respin it pretty quick
[17:19] <apw> smb, ok i think we use generic in the installer, which has it, then reboot into -virtual which does not
[17:20] <smb> apw, Quite likely. Well, seems at least like something that arguable is better in the main package...
[17:20] <apw> yep
[17:20] <smb> Have we changed that when going from no extras to extras?
[17:22] <apw> ogasawara, so i say let your build continue if you haven't stopped them
[17:22] <apw> and i'll just test virtual with this change
[17:22] <ogasawara> apw: ack
[17:22] <apw> ogasawara, is your tip pushed anywhere?
[17:22] <apw> i'll dump this on the top and test it, then you can reorder it if it works :)
[17:22] <ogasawara> apw: pushed to master-next, I just added an ABI bump
[17:22] <ogasawara> apw: havne't pushed the commit to close it up yet
[17:22] <smb> apw, Ah I see, it used to be builtin anyway and we probably decideed its not boot essential...
[17:23] <apw> smb, right, we just demoted it, and exposed this
[17:24] <smb> apw, I wonder whether realizing that setups that require/do a separate /boot go for ext2 would be something to generally rething that before release...
[17:24] <smb> not that it is critical normally
[17:24] <apw> smb, shove it on the rally agenda, probabally need to ask why its not ext3
[17:25] <apw> without a journal
[17:25] <smb> apw, Likely because you not really use it much
[17:25] <apw> what i mean is ext3 without the journal is the same anyhow, so we can likely use ext3 to mount it
[17:26] <smb> ah ok, understand
[17:29] <smb> done
[17:42] <apw> ogasawara, ok it seems we need a meta change for the next upload, will push it shortly
[17:42] <ogasawara> apw: ack
[17:43] <apw> ogasawara, linux-image should point to the recommended kernel, which means -pae now
[17:43] <ogasawara> apw: ah, right.  thanks.
[17:55] <hallyn> is a build of git head of ubuntu-precise supposed to work right now?
[17:55] <hallyn> I get failure at:
[17:56] <tgardner> hallyn, I just finished a build on tangerine
[17:56] <hallyn> debian/build/tools/tools/perf/perf: no such file or directory
[17:56] <hallyn> ihm, that's where i'm building
[17:56] <hallyn> just 'debian/rules build; fakeroot debian/rlues binary' ?
[17:57] <tgardner> sforshee, tangerine:~rtg/ukb/precise/amd64/master-next
[17:58] <tgardner> hallyn, I did the whole thing. why are you targeting 'build' , and then 'binary' ? Isn't build a superset of binary ?
[17:59] <hallyn> i guess a habit from those packages which refuse to build as root (i.e. under fakeroot)
[17:59] <hallyn> but, doh, that's my problem i guess, i should be doing binary-generic not just binary
[18:00] <hallyn> hopefully that'll be it - thanks
[18:00] <tgardner> hallyn, ah, I missed that. you should be able to just build the falvour you want, e.g., 'fakeroot debian/rule binary-generic'
[18:01] <hallyn> (wonder which one it was failing on then :)
[18:02] <hallyn> thanks
[18:02] <tgardner> hallyn, if you're missing 'fakeroot' I think some of the user space tools won't build.
[18:02] <apw> ogasawara, ok fixes pushed to linux-meta, i bumped abi and tagged it ready as well
[18:03] <ogasawara> apw: thanks
[18:04] <hallyn> tgardner: interesting, though wouldn't fakeroot binaryXYZ then compile whatever wasn't compiled?
[18:04] <arges> wow i915_enable_rc6=1 gives my t420 9 hours of battery life... i wonder if the battery indicator is correct
[18:05] <hallyn> anyway, this worked - thanks!
[18:05] <tgardner> hallyn, you're assuming all of the fine grained makefile dependencies are correct :)
[18:17] <hallyn> true :)
[18:35] <slangasek> tgardner: ping re: bug #881529
[18:35] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 881529 in debian-installer "Natty and Oneiric LTS backport kernels need to get onto the Lucid 10.04.4 point release DVD." [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/881529
[18:35] <tgardner> slangasek, yes ?
[18:36] <slangasek> tgardner: hi, so skaet was asking me about this and I really have no clue...
[18:36] <tgardner> asking you what? it seems clear to me.
[18:36] <slangasek> you said it was "in progress", but I'm pretty sure skaet wasn't making any changes to the debian-installer package for this
[18:36] <slangasek> is all you're asking for to have the kernel packages *on* the DVD?
[18:37] <tgardner> slangasek, yes. AFAIK skaet is the one that set the state.
[18:37] <slangasek> (in that case, the debian-installer package has nothing to do with it, which is why I'm confused)
[18:37] <tgardner> slangasek, well, the installer has to support a kenerl installation choice
[18:38] <slangasek> ok, so you want support for installing any of the kernel flavors, but still only expect the DVD to boot the lucid flavor for the initial install?
[18:38] <tgardner> slangasek, cjwatson has already done this once for the maverick kernel on 10.04.2 (or .3?)
[18:39] <skaet> tgardner, no I didn't set the state to in porgress,  log has you setting it.   I just went in and added a tag to monitor it.
[18:39] <tgardner> slangasek, maybe the installer is the wrong package? the user should have a choice of kernels to boot from initially.
[18:39] <slangasek> well, the installer is absolutely the right package to give users the choice of kernels to boot from initially
[18:40] <tgardner> thats the way the current DVD point release is working.
[18:41] <slangasek> I'm having difficulty confirming that at the moment, hmm
[18:43] <tgardner> slangasek, I haven't looked in awhile, but I'm pretty sure I was able to boot and install a maverick kernel from the lucid DVD point release.
[18:43] <slangasek> tgardner: I really see only a single vmlinuz+initrd pair in the archive for the hardy point releases
[18:43] <tgardner> slangasek, lucid, not hardy
[18:43] <slangasek> oh yes
[18:43]  * slangasek tries the right directory
[18:44] <slangasek> ahh, yes, there they are
[18:45] <slangasek> right, bug state twiddled
[18:45] <slangasek> tgardner: thanks
[18:45] <tgardner> slangasek, np
[18:54] <jsalisbury> ogasawara, Looks like a new duplicate of bug 911236 was reported.
[18:54] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 911236 in linux "DMAR:[fault reason 05] PTE Write access is not set" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/911236
[18:55] <ogasawara> jsalisbury: ack.  we likely need to escalate that one upstream.  I've got it on my todo list.
[18:58] <jsalisbury> ogasawara, cool, thanks.  I'll keep an eye out for further duplicates.  Do you think it should go onto our hot list?
[18:58] <ogasawara> jsalisbury: it can so we don't lose track of it
[18:59] <jsalisbury> ogasawara, ack
[19:01]  * tgardner -> lunch
[19:16] <apw> ogasawara, ok i've just pushed the fix for the ext2 -virtual thingy
[19:17] <ogasawara> apw: thanks.  I'll squeeze it into the upload.
[19:17] <apw> ogasawara, i don't think we need to worry toooo much if it misses, so if you get cold feet we will survive
[19:19] <ogasawara> apw: not a big deal to respin.  builds already finished so I'll just do a quick re-build test on amd64/i386 and boot test and upload.
[19:20] <ogasawara> smb: if you're still around, bug 911204, did you get around to testing on real hw?
[19:20] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 911204 in linux "precise ec2 images fail to boot with kernel oops" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/911204
[19:22]  * ogasawara assumes the patch can wait for the next upload
[19:23] <apw> ogasawara, i think that linus slipped in two reverts for rtc one of which avoids this issue
[19:23] <apw> ogasawara, so while smb's patch or something like it should go into mainline, it believe we should be ok with wahts in 3.2
[19:24] <ogasawara> apw: good to know, I can just have smb test with what we upload to confirm
[20:22] <Kano> apw: http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/INTEL_IOMMU_DEFAULT_ON.html
[20:23] <Kano> apw: could you disable that by default? if somebody really needs it i am sure he finds out how to use it
[20:24] <Kano> that causes problems on my h55 board
[20:24] <Kano> i will test rt2800pci with one patch soon, there have been only a few
[20:26]  * tgardner goes to pack
[20:26] <bjf> good plan
[20:36] <apw> Kano, i suspect that means your machine needs a quirk to turn it off if it is broken
[20:37] <Kano> i would not think thats the only one
[20:37] <Kano> its easy enough to enable
[20:39] <Sarvatt> disabling INTEL_IOMMU_DEFAULT_ON would also let us enable rc6 by default in i915 for huge power savings :)
[20:42] <Kano> Sarvatt: but the default is off by default
[20:45] <avarisclari> hello people, my questioning has had me redirected here for quick help
[20:46] <avarisclari> earlier my video card completely crashed, and i had to do a force uninstall reinstall, and i found it in xorg.1.log
[20:46] <avarisclari> i want to know if you guys know where to go from there to track down the issue
[21:02] <avarisclari> can someone tell me how to find a hard shutdown in the kern.log
[22:52] <GrueMaster> Can someone on the kernel sru team move the oneiric omap kernel from universe to main?  I can't install the proposed kernel until it is there.


[06:39] <jfh> morning!
[16:23] <hbrueckner> xnox, hi... I have an update regarding problem of loading dasd or zfcp (s390-zfcp, s390-dasd modules)
[16:23] <xnox> hbrueckner, i am testing a local fix.
[16:23] <xnox> =)
[16:23] <xnox> hbrueckner, so my conclusion is that dasd/zfcp kernel modules are not loaded when dasd/zfcp steps run and hence they report "no bus/ nothing to activate"
[16:24] <xnox> then hw-detect/disk-detect runs, loads dasd/zfcp kernel modules and then bails as nothing is available and it does not re-run dasd/zfcp-config
[16:24] <hbrueckner> right... the point here is that it depmod -a behaves differently between ubuntu and debian
[16:24] <xnox> my plan is to add $ modprobe dasd_mod/zfcp after the depmod in s390-dasd/zfcp postinst
[16:24] <hbrueckner> depmod -a triggers device modprobing and causes the module to be loaded Debian
[16:25] <hbrueckner> the better approach would be to simply call: update-dev
[16:25] <xnox> but before the respective dasd-config/zfcp-config binaries are called.
[16:25] <xnox> how come depmod is different in ubuntu though?!
[16:25] <hbrueckner> sorry for pasting the diff her
[16:25] <hbrueckner> --- a/debian/postinst
[16:25] <hbrueckner> +++ b/debian/postinst
[16:25] <hbrueckner> @@ -9,6 +9,11 @@ set -e
[16:25] <hbrueckner>  test -x /sbin/depmod && depmod -a > /dev/null 2>&1 || true
[16:25] <hbrueckner>
[16:25] <hbrueckner>  #
[16:25] <hbrueckner> +# Trigger FCP discovery
[16:25] <hbrueckner> +#
[16:25] <hbrueckner> +update-dev
[16:25] <hbrueckner> +
[16:25] <hbrueckner> +#
[16:25] <hbrueckner>  # Start the FCP configuration utility
[16:25] <hbrueckner>  #
[16:25] <hbrueckner>  exec zfcp-config
[16:26] <xnox> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ is a thing you know =) also you can do
[16:26] <xnox> $ git diff | pastebinit
[16:26] <xnox> and on ubuntu that pipes and publishes things on the paste.ubuntu.com =)
[16:26] <hbrueckner> .... if my systems would have access to the external network ;-)
[16:26] <xnox> hahaha
[16:26] <xnox> ok
[16:26] <xnox> i have no idea what update-dev is though =)
[16:26] <xnox> still worried that ubuntu's depmod -a is somehow bad.
[16:27] <hbrueckner> it is part of the debian-installer-utils to and a wrapper around udevadm --trigger and --settle
[16:27] <hbrueckner> update-dev actually is the --trigger
[16:28] <hbrueckner> yep .... I thinkt that depmod  is part of busybox... perhaps a slightly different busybox version or config
[16:30] <hbrueckner> xnox, I have to leave now... Thorsten might add some info to the LaunchPad these minutes
[16:30] <xnox> ack


[02:39] <scarecrow_> I am using ATI Radeon x1650 on Feisty n my max res is 1024x768. Is there any way i can increase the resolution?
[02:40] <linxeh> you want #ubuntu - but yeah, there are instructions on the wiki I think
[02:40] <linxeh> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:43] <scarecrow_> thanx linxeh lemme c how far i can go with that.
[03:37] <ed1t> where did the gutsy gibbon name come from?
[03:41] <crdlb> the vast and mysterious mind of Mark Shuttleworth :)
[03:42] <ed1t> cool
[04:14] <hwilde> !ubotu ?
[04:15] <hwilde> can you guys reset ubotu
[04:19] <hwilde> !ping
[04:19] <ubotu> pong
[04:20] <hwilde> sweet thanks
[05:05] <tommy_> is the final kernel 2.6.22 out yet, or still beta testing?
[05:13] <voidmage> nope, still rc7
[06:39] <pwnguin> why does alsa have a popup to tell me to run a command?
[06:39] <pwnguin> and is it strictly nessecary?
[06:40] <pwnguin>  asoundconf set-default-card
[06:41] <crimsun> pwnguin: yes, it is.
[06:42] <crimsun> the check in currenty gutsy is much saner than in Tribe 2
[06:42] <crimsun> current*
[06:55] <pwnguin> crimsun: it just seems a bit silly that a) i have to run this instead of a script, and b) there's only one card from asoundconf list
[07:02] <crimsun> pwnguin: you only get that notification if both 1) ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf exists, 2) asoundconf is-active returns true
[07:02] <crimsun> pwnguin: so which alsa-lib version are you updating to?
[07:03] <pwnguin> i didnt check
[07:03] <pwnguin> whatever is in gutsy right now
[07:04] <crimsun> and what did you update from?
[07:04] <pwnguin> probably gutsy proposed
[07:04] <crimsun> err...
[07:04] <pwnguin> oh
[07:04] <crimsun> gutsy-proposed doesn't exist.
[07:04] <crimsun>   alsa-lib | 1.0.14-1ubuntu5 |         gutsy | source
[07:04] <pwnguin> ok
[07:05] <crimsun> that's the current version.
[07:05] <pwnguin> hmm
[07:05] <pwnguin> apt-cache shows 13
[07:06] <pwnguin> for -base
[07:07] <crimsun> no, that's a binary package generated from alsa-driver
[07:07] <pwnguin> ah
[07:07] <crimsun> you'd want `apt-cache policy libasound2`
[07:07] <pwnguin> .14
[07:08] <crimsun> .14-1ubuntu??
[07:08] <pwnguin> 5
[07:08] <crimsun> ok, that's correct.
[07:08] <pwnguin> i had no doubts it was
[07:08] <crimsun> now, ls -l ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf
[07:09] <pwnguin> lemme switch this irc to my laptop
[07:09] <pwnguin> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2082 2007-06-28 16:28 /home/jldugger/.asoundrc.asoundconf
[07:09] <crimsun> right, and that, too, is proper.
[07:09] <crimsun> DisplayIf: [ -f ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf ]  && asoundconf is-active
[07:10] <crimsun>   * debian/user-must-execute-asoundconf-set-default-card.update-notifier:
[07:10] <crimsun>     - Fix DisplayIf invocation, and make the message more meaningful,
[07:10] <crimsun>       LP: #122252.
[07:10] <pwnguin> ok
[07:10] <pwnguin> what pacakge is diplayif in?
[07:11] <crimsun> DisplayIf is an optional directive for update-notifier hooks.
[07:11] <crimsun> I pasted the change I made in 1.0.14-1ubuntu5.
[07:11] <pwnguin> ah
[07:11] <crimsun> if you don't want to ever see that message, then just get rid of ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf
[07:12] <crimsun> i.e., manually do stuff with ~/.asoundrc and never create ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf
[07:12] <pwnguin> i never created it personally
[07:12] <crimsun> that will short-circuit the DisplayIf invocation, and you'll never see the popup.
[07:12] <pwnguin> i assume it was generated by alsa
[07:12] <crimsun> on
[07:12] <crimsun> no
[07:12] <pwnguin> or part of the default user profile
[07:12] <crimsun> no
[07:13] <crimsun> we do not, per Policy, _ever_ touch user-specific configs in the install/update process.
[07:13] <pwnguin> well i certainly didnt write all this myself.
[07:13] <crimsun> it can be created via asoundconf set-default-card
[07:14] <pwnguin> which ive done in the past as instructed
[07:14] <crimsun> so if you used a standard Ubuntu tool, then you'll see standard Ubuntu prompts/notification popups
[07:14] <pwnguin> i did
[07:15] <crimsun> there's a very specific reason that prompt/notification popup is shown
[07:15] <crimsun> between alsa-lib versions, mixer element strings are modified
[07:15] <crimsun> the ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf that's created via asoundconf(1) has those element strings
[07:16] <crimsun> if you attempt to use an older ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf with a newer libasound2, you'll receive seemingly cryptic error messages.
[07:16] <crimsun> hence, we display a popup to tell you to refresh the element strings
[07:17] <crimsun> I began work yesterday during the Fourth fireworks to sanitise the coupling somewhat, but it's still tied very strongly to the version of libasound2 installed on your current system.
[07:17] <pwnguin> so even if i switch to a .asound, this is something id still have to deal with
[07:17] <crimsun> There's no way to completely decouple it; that's just the way ALSA works.
[07:18] <crimsun> "switch to a .asound"?
[07:18] <pwnguin> .asoundrc
[07:18] <crimsun> you already have both ~/.asoundrc and ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf
[07:18] <crimsun> if you don't want to ever see the message again, just erase the latter.
[07:18] <crimsun> on a fresh install of Ubuntu, you'll never see that popup.
[07:19] <crimsun> the only time you'll see that popup is if you've executed [a tool that executes]  asoundconf set-default-card
[07:20] <pwnguin> interesting
[07:20] <crimsun> if you only have one sound card, just rm ~/.asoundrc*
[07:20] <crimsun> note carefully the placement of that asterisk - no whitespace!
[07:21] <pwnguin> heh
[07:21] <crimsun> don't want you blowing away ~
[07:21] <pwnguin> ive just never really had to think about alsa in the past
[07:21] <crimsun> then don't think about it.
[07:21] <crimsun> Just rm ~/.asoundrc* and go about your merry audio way.
[07:22] <pwnguin> too late
[07:22] <pwnguin> now im curious about what it does ;)
[07:22] <crimsun> man asoundconf
[07:23] <pwnguin> the asoundrc.asoundconf is pretty detailed, and all my .asoundrc does is include it
[07:25] <crimsun> yes, that's precisely what it's supposed to do.
[07:29] <pwnguin> i have to wonder though, whether .asoundrc.asoundconf contains any settings i might want over whatever alsa defaults to
[07:33] <pwnguin> some day i must read whatever made crimsum an alsa genius and determine why headphone jack sense fails to turn off the front speakers
[07:34] <pwnguin> aha
[07:34] <pwnguin> it is doable
[07:35] <pwnguin> at least, its possible to get headphones playing without front speakers
[07:35] <pwnguin> jack sense, not quite yet
[07:38] <crimsun> by default, set-default-card will copy the ^defaults.* from precisely what ALSA defaults to
[07:38] <crimsun> (/usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf as mentioned in asoundconf's man page)
[07:38] <pwnguin> ok
[07:39] <pwnguin> is it?
[07:39] <crimsun> "is it"?
[07:39] <pwnguin> mentioned in the manpage
[07:39] <crimsun> yes, it is.
[07:39] <crimsun> (I made the change myself, so yes.)
[07:41] <pwnguin> oh
[07:41] <pwnguin> its under the warning
[09:29] <rojo> Hi, I ran out of diskspace, I deleted loads of suff, emptied the bin but still kde wont start....any ideas?
[09:50] <emonkey-p> rojo: already done a apt-get clean?
[11:27] <pvandewyngaerde> libcurl4-gnutls
[11:29] <crimsun> yes?
[11:30] <crimsun> (I assume you've read the topic?)
[11:32] <pvandewyngaerde> ok nvm
[11:32] <pvandewyngaerde> and i dont read topics if they are too long
[11:33] <crimsun> that's no excuse, really.
[11:34] <pvandewyngaerde> i autojoin a lot of chans, i cant read them all
[11:36] <crimsun> eh, I'm in about three hundred channels, and I still attempt to read all the topics whenever I reattach.
[11:36] <crimsun> again, they exist for a reason...
[11:38] <mrsno> crimsun i thought i was bad but 300 respect :)
[11:43] <c1|freaky> hi all. i get the following error when trying to upgrade:
[11:43] <c1|freaky> Richte clamav-freshclam ein (0.90.3-1ubuntu3) ...
[11:43] <c1|freaky> Segmentation fault
[11:43] <c1|freaky> is there anything i can do about it?
[11:43] <c1|freaky> it means "setting up clamav-freshclam"
[11:44] <mrsno> !bug #420593
[11:45] <mrsno> hmm
[11:45] <crimsun> remove the leading bang.
[11:45] <mrsno> !bug 420593
[11:45] <crimsun> no, the bang, aka exclamation mark.
[11:45] <mrsno> oh righty
[11:45] <mrsno> bug #420593
[11:46] <mrsno> ah could not be found
[11:46] <mrsno>  New upstream version
[11:46] <mrsno>      - Fixes segfault in segfault handler (closes: #420593)
[11:46] <gnomefreak> bug 420593
[11:46] <mrsno> could not be found with or without the # :)
[11:46] <crimsun> no, you likely mean Debian, in which case you need Debian 420593
[11:46] <gnomefreak> what bug tracker is that one
[11:46] <ubotu> Debian bug 420593 in clamav-daemon "clamav-daemon: segfault in segfault handler, hangs with 100% cpu" [Important,Fixed]  http://bugs.debian.org/420593
[11:46] <crimsun> see?
[11:46] <gnomefreak> ah there you go :)
[11:46] <mrsno> ahh nice, it does both
[11:46] <mrsno> thanks crimsun
[11:46] <gnomefreak> it does alot of differnet trackers
[11:47] <mrsno> that was for c1|freaky :) maybe check that
[11:47] <mrsno> ubotu's source is available yea? must set up something similar on quakenet ubuntu channel
[11:48] <mrsno> im learning more about what he/she can do everyday ;]
[11:49] <c1|freaky> yes ubotus source is available ;) i just dont remember what kind of bot it is. mrsno: no, its not that bug. that bug is about clamav hanging and going up to 100% cpu when running it. im trying to apt-get upgrade but i get that segmentation fault.
[11:49] <PriceChild> mrsno, should be here: http://blackbird.kaarsemaker.net/code/ubotu/ but its missing atm...
[11:49] <gnomefreak> its a supybot
[11:49] <PriceChild> and its a supybot
[11:49] <mrsno> yea i think thats  for clamav sorry c1|freaky
[11:50] <mrsno> ah so python, i will keep an eye out for the sources then :)
[11:50] <tonyyarusso> mrsno: Yes, at this time ubotu is a supybot, which is available stock in the repos, with some custom-written plugins, which are available from https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots/.  I'm not sure it makes sense to have duplicate IRC channels, but that'll get you going.  Supybot also has a 'relay' plugin for sharing between networks.
[11:51] <mrsno> tonyyarusso cool thanks, we are not a big channel on quakenet for #debian / #ubuntu but there is a little interest (i send most people to freenode if i cant help anyways) so i understand about duplicating efforts
[11:52] <tonyyarusso> mrsno: righto
[11:55] <mrsno> the relay plugin sounds interesting :)
[12:00] <axxo> p
[12:00] <gnomefreak> c1|freaky: did you file teh clam bug a little while ago?
[12:00] <c1|freaky> no
[12:00] <gnomefreak> or sorry pvandewyngaerde is that you?
[12:00] <c1|freaky> i havent filed it at all
[12:00] <c1|freaky> i just tried to upgrade
[12:00] <c1|freaky> 15 mins ago
[12:00] <c1|freaky> and i got that error
[12:01] <pvandewyngaerde> is-n't me
[12:01] <gnomefreak> c1|freaky: well someone filed it for you and i added the needed comments we now have a clamav team so maybe they will mrege it
[12:02] <c1|freaky> ok if you need any info tell me ;D
[12:02] <gnomefreak> nope i got most of it i didnt bother with upstream bug since it was released already
[12:03] <MacSlow> Greetings everybody!
[12:03] <c1|freaky> ok ;)
[12:04] <coNP> wow! amarok is seriously running :)
[12:34] <jussi01> hmmm, having a small problem with my fstab, sudo mount -a gives: mount: directory to mount not in host:dir format, my fstab: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28608/
[12:35] <jussi01> any ideas?
[01:07] <cypherdelic> some guys with Compiz-Fusion Trevino latest release for Gutsy AMD 64???? i need assistance, #compiz-fusion cant help
[01:08] <gnomefreak> cypherdelic: we dont support trevino repos
[01:08] <gnomefreak> cypherdelic: maybe try #ubuntu-effects as they might have seen the issue
[01:08] <cypherdelic> ok thanks
[01:31] <PriceChild> cypherdelic, you realise compiz fusion is in gutsy...?
[01:31] <PriceChild> and they do regular updates?
[01:32] <pimp31415>                 Modes           "1920x1440" "1856x1392" "1600x1200" "1400x1050" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600"$
[01:32] <pimp31415> even with that modes my nvidia fx 6200 card is not letting me have resolutions higher than 1600x1200
[01:33] <pimp31415> any ideas? using some dell crt which ive had up to that 1856 before i think to the other the 1920 but not fully sure on that might be my other monitor.....
[01:34] <pimp31415> also when i lose network connection the network manager resets kinda so i have to manually say HEY WIRED NETWORK - LOOK AT IT!
[01:35] <varka> pimp31415: did you put the values for horizsync and vertrefresh of your monitor into xorg.conf?
[01:38] <cypherdelic> PriceChild, of course, and I also realise the huge effort on working on that official Compiz-Fusion Gutsy integration
[01:40] <Pici> IIRC, Trevino's repo does daily builds against git, so hes a bit more 'updated' than the official repos are, albiet at a risk to stability.
[02:05] <pimp31415> ok solved my problem
[02:05] <pimp31415> !paste
[02:05] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:06] <pimp31415> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28622/
[02:07] <pimp31415> ive got a crt monitor - so basically all it took was instead of going to medium settings i went to advanced when doing the dpkg-reconfigure xserver xorg
[02:07] <pimp31415> 1. it gave a wider range for the horizsynch and suggested 43-60 for vert which i changed to 43-70 // horiz i accepted default on advanced which gave me 28-96
[02:08] <pimp31415> i [obviously]  dont understand horiz and vert refreshes very well - never really looked into it..
[02:09] <pimp31415> but i saw a hint dated back from hoary about ignoring refreshes etc and this worked
[02:09] <axxo> you take your monitor manual, open it, find the values, put them in the configuration
[02:09] <pimp31415> heh axxo first its a gifted monitor from my dad via his work retired it
[02:10] <pimp31415> and secondly i didnt wanna bother my roomate by turning on the light to look for serials
[02:10] <axxo> thats really helpfull and relevant
[02:10] <pimp31415> i have a suspicion its a change in the latest round of nvidia drivers - perhaps they pay a little more attn or less in nix? the windows ones do allow me these refresh rates - and i will double check when its daytime
[02:10] <pimp31415> Thu Jul  5 05:10:55 PDT 2007
[02:12] <pimp31415> is there a way to see the horiz refresh rate? got the 1920x1440 pixels at 60Hz
[02:12] <pimp31415> dunno its corrilary rate tho
[02:13] <pimp31415> d202d-hs
[02:14] <pimp31415> ultrascan 20tx
[02:14] <pimp31415> d2026t-hs
[02:15] <pimp31415> hehe last two correct - went all mcguyver with lighter kekeke
[02:15] <pimp31415> http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/dta/97788/00000001.htm
[02:16] <pimp31415> perhaps thats a little better axxo ? im gonna give those a shot
[02:16] <pimp31415> seems kinda crazy on the vert refresh tho
[02:17] <pimp31415> ok brb again >.<
[02:19] <pimp31415> ok adjusted to mon specs and i still get all my resolutions
[02:22] <pimp31415> anything else i should look at there axxo ?
[03:33] <k_> are there any plans to add a full disk encryption option to the installer?
[03:34] <Hobbsee> doubt it
[03:40] <h3sp4wn> k_: Its not particularly difficult to do manually (if /boot is unencrypted)
[04:01] <mynameisdeleted> I have wine and crossover office crashing on my latest amd64 ubuntu release with the same error in /lib32/ld-linux.so
[04:01] <coNP> mynameisdeleted: can you paste / pastebin the error to somewhere?
[04:01] <mynameisdeleted> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
[04:01] <mynameisdeleted> 0xf7f79f68 in ?? () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2
[04:02] <mynameisdeleted> http://okser.net/err.txt
[04:03] <mynameisdeleted> I'm using wine from winehq.com
[04:03] <mynameisdeleted> they don't support gutsy yet
[04:03] <mynameisdeleted> only feisty
[04:03] <coNP> try to get a copy with debug symbols compiled in
[04:03] <coNP> this backtrace is not very useful with may ??-s
[04:03] <mynameisdeleted> I'll compile it myself with debug symboles
[04:04] <mynameisdeleted> these are just 2 binary releases form different places that both crash
[04:04] <mynameisdeleted> apt-get source --build win
[04:04] <mynameisdeleted> apt-get source --build wine
[04:04] <mynameisdeleted> sorry
[04:04] <coNP> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash should help to compile them with debug symbols
[04:05] <mynameisdeleted> I can also test if this is a bug in the 386-only distro or a bug in 64-bit backward libs
[04:05] <coNP> please do so
[04:07] <mynameisdeleted> put their info in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debug.list
[04:13] <pimp31415> mm
[04:14] <pimp31415> hey whatever happened to that option to have a window visible on all viewports?
[04:14] <pimp31415> would be real handy for gtkrellm :<
[04:24] <OldPink> Hi all
[04:24] <OldPink> Question: Will Firefox 3 be included in Gutsy?
[04:25] <Hobbsee> as grandparadiso, yes.
[04:25] <Hobbsee> not as the main firefox
[04:25] <OldPink> Thanks, you sure of that? :)
[04:26] <Hobbsee> well, when does firefox 3 release?
[04:26] <OldPink> November
[04:26] <Hobbsee> then yes, i'm sure
[04:26] <OldPink> I thought they might leave it as Firefox 2 and then just update the repos in November?
[04:26] <Hobbsee> seeing as gutsy releases in...october.
[04:26] <Hobbsee> no
[04:26] <Hobbsee> !timebasedreleases
[04:26] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[04:26] <OldPink> Yes, I know that
[04:27] <OldPink> But they could just have the first month of Gutsy using FF 2?
[04:27] <OldPink> No?
[04:27] <Pici> Seeing as how edgy didnt get the ff2.0 release, I dont think they'll backport ff3 to gutsy
[04:27] <Hobbsee> ....no.  see the time based releases page.
[04:28] <OldPink> Hm, so who am I to believe?
[04:29] <Hobbsee> backports != updates, too
[04:29] <Hobbsee> Pici: yeah, backport is possible
[04:29] <Hobbsee> OldPink: if it helps, i'm a core developer of ubuntu.
[04:29] <OldPink> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+specs?searchtext=firefox
[04:30] <OldPink> Hobbsee, ah right. So you're certain Gran Paradiso is in 7.10? And do you have a blog? :)
[04:31] <Hobbsee> OldPink: yes, it is, or was last time i checked.  and yes, i do have a blog, i rarely write in it
[04:32] <OldPink> OK, thanks alot. :) Just wondering as I'm blogging about Gran Paradiso, and wanted to get in whether it was included in 7.10 or not.
[04:32] <Pici> Hobbsee: Where do you see FF3 in Gutsy?
[04:32] <lamalex> it's in universe
[04:32] <pimp31415> do te do
[04:33] <pimp31415> i should pay more attention to whats getting updated when it does that lol
[04:33] <Pici> lamalex: do you know the package name?
[04:33] <lamalex> firefox-granparidso or something
[04:33] <Pici> ah.. I see it
[04:33] <Pici> Thanks!
[04:33] <lamalex> np
[04:34] <pimp31415> i dont see it in the repos
[04:34] <pimp31415> o
[04:34] <Hobbsee> pimp31415: did you spell it correctly?
[04:34] <pimp31415> that was the problem
[04:34] <Pici> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-granparadiso
[04:34] <pimp31415> lol
[04:35] <pimp31415> does it launch with a different command in /bin ?
[04:35] <pimp31415> ah ya
[04:35] <pimp31415> ***MEMORY-WARNING***: firefox-granparadiso-bin[29740] : GSlice: g_thread_init() must be called before all other GLib functions; memory corruption due to late invocation of g_thread_init() has been detected; this program is likely to crash, leak or unexpectedly abort soon...
[04:35] <pimp31415> still getting a lot of those btw
[04:35] <Pici> They're just warnings :/
[04:36] <pimp31415> yeah things tend to run real well on my hardware - i'm lucky
[04:39] <pimp31415> hm tried running the firefox-granparadiso and when i closed it it took 15 seconds or so to give me back my terminal line.. wierd lol
[04:40] <Pici> not too weird, it usually takes a little bit for the process to actually end after the window closes.
[04:41] <pimp31415> and hyperlinks dont work in beryl
[04:41] <pimp31415> mm fair enough Pici
[04:43] <pimp31415> ok here's one for yall - what happened to the iconified windows in the pager
[04:44] <pimp31415> specifically compaired to say dapper when dragging one from one worktop to another via the pager the icons were small in dapper whereas edgy on they are quite large or so?
[04:44] <Hobbsee> pimp31415: :)
[04:44] <pimp31415> ;p
[04:44] <pimp31415> hi Hobbsee
[04:44] <Hobbsee> hiya Dannilionz!
[04:44] <Hobbsee> pimp31415: in beryl?  ask in #ubuntu-effects or something, probably
[04:45] <pimp31415> Hobbsee, no in metacity
[04:45] <pimp31415> lol
[04:45] <pimp31415> ok mr tovald
[04:46] <Pici> *ms
[04:46] <pimp31415> what's your poison - kde? openbox?
[04:46] <pimp31415> lol Pici
[04:46] <Pici> pimp31415: I'm looking at gnome now, what are you looking for?
[04:46] <Hobbsee> kde
[04:46] <pimp31415> oh try dragging the xchat icon from the pager out to desktop for a second without letting go
[04:46] <pimp31415> if you notice its quite large - larger than default icon sizes even
[04:47] <pimp31415> about 4 times as large as before mebbie?
[04:47] <Dannilion> Hey Hobbsee :D
[04:47] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:47] <pimp31415> just been wondering that for a while XD
[04:48] <Pici> pimp31415: it looks like its 32x32, whereas the little icons are 16x16 and my desktop icons are 48x48   (er, I think)
[04:48] <pimp31415> ah ya
[04:48] <pimp31415> is there a setting buried somewhere for that?
[04:49] <Pici> er, gconf? maybe?
[04:49] <pimp31415> kkkk ill go browsing around it
[04:49] <Pici> I'm not even sure what the use of dragging those around would be
[04:49] <pimp31415> other question: i noticed an other classification/group in menus - and a lot of kde stuff in it - wazzupwiddat
[04:50] <pimp31415> Pici, so you can move something from another desktop to current one wihtout going there etc
[04:50] <pimp31415> quite useful from here
[04:50] <eagles0513875> is anyone else have the problem where after they login on a broadband connection they connection doesnt automatically start
[04:50] <pimp31415> or from desk4 to desk 3 or so
[04:50] <pimp31415> [staying on say desk2]
[04:50] <pimp31415> eagles0513875, ppp?
[04:50] <pimp31415> or whatever password based thingie is? or just like lan kinda thing
[04:51] <pimp31415> i noticed when i get disconnected that the network manager gives up and won't reconnect me automagically
[04:51] <eagles0513875> pimp31415: im on a cable connection
[04:51] <eagles0513875> it doesnt start the connection on start up so i unplug the cable form my laptop and plug it back in to get it to start
[04:52] <eagles0513875> i checked the configuration of my ethernet device and its configured to auto start
[04:52] <pimp31415> huh nope i dont get that particular behavior no
[04:52] <eagles0513875> ok ur running 32bit or 64bit
[04:52] <pimp31415> 323
[04:52] <pimp31415> 32**
[04:52] <eagles0513875> ok
[04:52] <pimp31415> u?
[04:52] <eagles0513875> anyone in here on 64bit haveing the same problem im having
[04:52] <eagles0513875> 64bit
[04:54] <magic_ninja> pimp31415: if you create a desktop icon in the manner you described just fire up gimp and resize the image
[04:54] <magic_ninja> pimp31415: its because the icon itself is large, and its just a setting in nautilus, but i'm not sure where, i had to do it before
[04:56] <pimp31415> magic_ninja, its not the desktop icons that bother me its the ones i drag from workspace to workspace in the panel
[04:56] <pimp31415> mm know of a way to do a delayed snapshot?
[04:56] <magic_ninja> pimp31415: idthing there is a setting for that
[04:56] <pimp31415> yeah it changed in edgy and never looked back
[04:57] <magic_ninja> dunno man
[04:57] <magic_ninja> anyone here hang out in winehq
[04:57] <pimp31415> used to stay the same size when you dragged it which was nice.. so say window taking up 1/4 of desktop on workspace 3 and your dragging it to workspace 4 b/c your reorganizing it stayed easy to see
[04:57] <pimp31415> lol
[05:02] <OldPink> Thanks again for the help guys, got the blog posted now :) http://www.mbhoy.com/05-07-2007/gran-paradiso-alpha-6
[05:04] <OldPink> brb
[05:15] <compengi> can someone run a webserver under linux having database application?
[05:15] <compengi> i mean script
[05:39] <xtknight> whenever i boot up gutsy (tribe 2) it seems to freeze at a different stage in the post-gdm bootup process every time.  cd md5 check passed.  the virtual consoles wont respond to any commands (they will just hang).  alt printscreen K/i only work with varying success.  same results with safe mode.  is this normal for tribe 2?
[05:39] <xtknight> livecd too btw
[06:18] <benkong2> I keep getting an error about libcurl3-gnutls and libcurl4-gnutls conflicting what should I do?
[06:18] <lamalex> i think that's a known bug
[06:18] <lamalex> are you on 64bit?
[06:19] <benkong2> no I am on 32 bit
[06:20] <mrsno> benkong2 i think just waiting for now is the best idea
[06:20] <benkong2> I installed on an IBM thinkpad all works great just this one problem.
[06:20] <mrsno> unless anyone knows a workaround
[06:22] <benkong2> mrsno: ok I knew it was alpha or beta so I want to help in testing
[06:22] <mrsno> glad to hear it :-) me too
[06:23] <Hobbsee> it's a known bug.  just wait
[06:23] <benkong2> Hobbsee: ok thanks
[06:47] <DanaG> WTF?  I used to be able to press ctrl-l to go to address bar in Firefox, but now it opens a dialog box.
[06:48] <mrsno> alt+d ?
[06:48] <DanaG> Same thing -- opens dialog.
[06:49] <mrsno> hmm strange, let me check my gutsy vm
[06:50] <mrsno> alt+d and ctrl+l take me to the address bar :I
[06:52] <mrsno> you are using the firefox supplied through ubuntu repositories, the default DanaG ?
[06:53] <lamalex> wow I never knew about those shortcuts
[06:53] <lamalex> that's awesome
[06:53] <lamalex> very handy
[06:55] <benkong2> my ctrl+d ctrl+l take me to the right places and ctrl+k takes me to the search just like always
[07:21] <benkong2>  brb all
[08:07] <xtknight> whenever i boot up gutsy (tribe 2 amd64 livecd) it seems to freeze at a different stage in the post-gdm bootup process every time.  cd md5 check passed.  the virtual consoles wont respond to any commands (they will just hang).  alt printscreen K/i only work with varying success.  same results with safe mode.  is this normal for tribe 2?
[09:31] <DanaG> Hmm, my firefox unbroke itself somehow.
[09:44] <pvandewyngaerde> lol d3lphin
[10:19] <pimp31415> beryl: pixmap 0x2035f6c can't be bound to texture
[10:22] <pimp31415> yeah wierd still doing that
[10:23] <pimp31415> all the themes load and stay on them in the appearance manager except human
[10:23] <pimp31415> that one automatically goes to custom and complains still
[10:23] <pimp31415> which is what i was in when i got that warning so i'm guessing it has something to do with that perhaps
[10:23] <pimp31415> mmm
[10:24] <pimp31415> beryl: decoration: property ignored because version is 20070319 and decoration plugin version is 20061011
[10:24] <pimp31415> i get that when i tried to go to gtk window decorator from beryl
[10:26] <pimp31415> more of that when i go from gtk >> heliodore - which didnt actually load anything for decorator under the gtk option
[10:27] <pimp31415> no complaints going to emerald themes decorator - then changed to compiz wm from beryl
[10:28] <pimp31415> Converting gconf plugin list: '' // /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Error: 'gconf' plugin must be loaded after 'glib' plugin /// /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Error: Can't activate 'gconf' plugin due to dependency problems
[10:28] <pimp31415> /usr/bin/compiz.real (decoration) - Warn: Property ignored because version is 20061011 and decoration plugin version is 20070319
[10:28] <pimp31415> but it loaded it - and even tho its on emerald its gtk stuff with no effects like this
[10:31] <pimp31415> mm crashed firefox switching thingsi back and forth lol
[10:36] <pimp31415> Window manager warning: Invalid WM_TRANSIENT_FOR window 0x186 specified for 0x1a0066b (File Info ).   <<-- gah?
[10:37] <pimp31415> anyway i'm taking out everything human with a purge and gonna aptitude install ubuntu-desktop see if that makes it any happier
[10:37] <pimp31415> oh and wierd thing menu doesnt wanna put menus on toolbar - i can put single icons, buti usuaully have my sound / inet menus on the toolbar as menu's themselves...
[10:44] <pimp31415> gah yeah its still doing it - going to custom - meh i'm gonna install all the themes i can find =/
[10:44] <pimp31415> i wonder if it has a problem iwth the clearlooks progressbar like edgy/feisty
[10:44] <lamalex> i doube it
[10:45] <lamalex> doubt*
[10:46] <pimp31415> magic chicken gtk2 engine btw breaks ubuntu - i.e. tries to take all kinda stuff out
[11:08] <GuyFromHell> Has there been reports about system hangs when trying to load the livecd after the cupsd init script starts. I feel it has something to do with my ati vid card but that's just because i blame everything on that nowadays (and i'm usually right)
[11:08] <GuyFromHell> (cupsd would be just after kdm)
[11:11] <GuyFromHell> i'm going to try again in safe graphics mode...
[11:11] <pimp31415> GuyFromHell, i dont know about reports
[11:12] <pimp31415> darn
[11:12] <pimp31415> but i had the same problem with my nvidia - same solution got me through
[11:16] <pimp31415>  Window manager warning: Buggy client sent a _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW message with a timestamp of 0 for 0x1a0001a (XMMS - 209)  ////// Window manager warning: meta_window_activate called by a pager with a 0 timestamp; the pager needs to be fixed.
[11:17] <pimp31415> i get that from using kdocker to dock xmms - when i unminimize it from the tray/notification area - no errors when i minimize tho
[11:21] <pimp31415> for some reason when i launch beryl it goes through checks and passes all the usual stuff says: Relaunching beryl with __GL_YIELD="NOTHING"  and then relaunches passing again
[11:23] <pimp31415> hey lamalex: /usr/share/themes/Peace/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:55: Clearlooks configuration option "sunkenmenu" is not supported and will be ignored.
[11:23] <pimp31415> getting lots of those using peace theme
[11:23] <pimp31415> [which goes right to custom like human]  lets try tropic
[11:24] <pimp31415> no error like that one but it goes right to custom even though i didnt customize it
[11:25] <gnomefreak> isnt peace in gnome-themes-extras
[11:25] <gnomefreak> if so its the package
[11:25] <pimp31415> so does outdoors and sphere-crystal - the latter gives me stuff like-/usr/share/themes/SphereCrystal/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:7: Unable to find include file: "iconrc"
[11:25] <pimp31415> yeah gnomefreak
[11:25] <gnomefreak> pimp31415: its the package its been like that for months
[11:25] <pimp31415> mm actually i think it was peace-look
[11:26] <pimp31415> ah
[11:26] <gnomefreak> spherecrystal is part of the extras package
[11:26] <gnomefreak> i know that package is screwed up
[11:27] <gnomefreak> the other one maybe caused by beryl
[11:27] <pimp31415> wasp and blubuntu go right to custom also
[11:27] <pimp31415> but on the upside they do load :)
[11:27] <pimp31415> -- /usr/share/themes/Blubuntu/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:169: Clearlooks configuration option "progressbarstyle" is not supported and will be ignored.
[11:27] <pimp31415> lol anyway loving the themes
[11:27] <gnomefreak> unless you disabled compiz from starting up on log in and installed beryl and used emerald
[11:27] <pimp31415> quite frankly i'm using this as my default desktop tho i have my edgy install still
[11:28] <pimp31415> i did install beryl and use emerald and dont have desktop effects on
[11:30] <DanaG> Odd: my dropdown lists are opening by unfolding from the middle.
[11:30] <DanaG> They
[11:30] <pimp31415> my high-res fix quit working too lol but who know's why
[11:30] <DanaG> They're supposed to go from the top, not the middle!
[11:30] <pimp31415> oo i want that!
[11:30] <pimp31415> do they fold up and down at the same time???
[11:30] <pimp31415> gimme :3
[11:32] <DanaG> Oh, it's Horizontal Folds.
[11:32] <DanaG> With one set.
[11:32] <DanaG> I mean, set to only one fold.
[11:34] <pimp31415> ok *goes looking*
[11:34] <pimp31415> hehe gutsy is gonna OWN
[11:35] <pimp31415> if we could get that 3d window switcher no one would want vista :>
[11:35] <pimp31415> none of the software is compatable anyway :P
[11:35] <pimp31415> though for the record i would like to have workspaces on the top and bottom of the cube =/
[11:38] <arpu_> hi all
[11:38] <arpu_> i installed gutsy on a new mac book
[11:38] <arpu_> now all works fine
[11:38] <pimp31415> hi arpu ! btw DanaG where is horizontal folds >_<
[11:39] <arpu_> but  i have no "klammeraffe"
[11:39] <pimp31415> verra nice
[11:39] <arpu_> strg + alt + q does not work
[11:39] <arpu_> hi pimp31415
[11:39] <pimp31415> kde i take it?
[11:39] <pimp31415> ive no idea what your talking about unfortunately but stick around they probably do :P
[11:39] <arpu_> gnome ^
[11:39] <pimp31415> o? i have gnome.//... but no macbook
[11:40] <pimp31415> whats the klammeraffe do:?
[11:40] <arpu_> i have no @
[11:40] <arpu_> klammeraffe is the german word
[11:42] <pimp31415> @ -- that symbol? a keyboard selection issue perhaps?
[12:04] <pimp31415> i noticed with beryl on xchat sometimes when i post a line instead of drawing it draws the previous bottom line twice
[12:04] <pimp31415> kinda wierd
[12:04] <etalli> If I have both Ubuntu and kubuntu-desktop on my computer, will an update with the GNOME updater update the kubuntu half as well?
[12:04] <crimsun> yes.
[12:05] <pimp31415> etalli, yeah - just looks for packages that need updating
[12:05] <pimp31415> sup crimsun <<-- starz :P
[12:05] <etalli> Ok, that's good to hear, becuase this update is taking *forever*
[12:05] <pimp31415> etalli, hold the faith!
[12:06] <etalli> pimp31415: Sorry, I don't understand
[12:06] <pimp31415> um, i mean trust the process!
[12:07] <DanaG> WTF?  Why is "horizontal folds" unfolding from the center?
[12:07] <pimp31415> DanaG, i never found that setting - where can i find it?
[12:08] <etalli> OK.  Anyway, I just saw kdm and kicker go by, so that confirms it. :)
[12:08] <pimp31415> :)
[12:08] <etalli> pimp31415: What does the 31415 part of your nick mean?
[12:08] <pimp31415> pi
[12:08] <pimp31415> XD
[12:09] <etalli> Oh, dumb me!
[12:09] <etalli> 3.1415926535897962685
[12:09] <DanaG> Oh, horizontal folds is under animations.
[12:10] <DanaG> I'm using the 3v1n0 debs of compiz-fusion.
[12:10] <pimp31415> gotcha - uploading pix of my xchat text redraw bug
[12:10] <pimp31415> aahh
[12:10] <pimp31415> http://bayimg.com/PADBPaabG
[12:10] <etalli> I already have beryl and emerald installed, will compiz-fusion mess them up?
[12:10] <pimp31415> i'm gonna play around in a terminal with irssi and see if i get the same bug
[12:11] <DanaG> As long as you lock them at the existing version, it should be fine.
[12:11] <DanaG> I've found the newer Beryl to be broken.
[12:12] <pimp31415> DanaG, you mean the beryl in their repo? vs the ones in the regular one?
[12:13] <etalli> DanaG: Compiz is enabled by default, right?  I've had problems with the desktop-effects in Fiesty, so I'm worried
[12:15] <etalli> Wait, dolphin?  Is this KDE4 based?
[12:18] <pimp31415> DanaG, now you got that to work on the menus instead of the windows?
[12:18] <pimp31415> it kinda makes sense - if you look at how it does the windows...
[12:19] <pimp31415> ooo nvm i see what you mean
[12:30] <pimp31415> mm some windows when i maximize them they black out - beryl settings manager / terminals so far
[12:30] <pimp31415> terminal shows desktop technically


[00:17] <RAOF> Has anyone else noticed -intel 2.4.14-0ubuntu1 being broken?
[00:25] <RAOF> Oh, and that's why!
[01:10] <Chelsea> Hi all, i'm trying askubuntu for the first time, and have a question. I'm trying to post a comment to a question, without answering the question. Is this possible with 1 reputation?
[01:14] <RAOF> I don't think it is, no.
[01:19] <Chelsea> ok.. thanks
[01:23] <RAOF> bryceh: Still around to sponsor an -intel update, so it actually works?
[01:37] <RAOF> bryceh: No need for sponsoring; StevenK got it.
[02:08] <bryceh> RAOF, what was wrong with it?
[02:14] <bryceh> ah bad canDoBGNoneRoot in patches.
[02:17] <RAOF> bryceh: No, it used intel_batchbuffer_wait_last, which didn't exist, so it didn't load.
[02:19] <bryceh> hrm, not good that we missed that
[02:19] <RAOF> I just took the opportunity to make BGNoneRoot safe for 1.10 at the same time.
[02:20] <RAOF> Did anyone test the 1ubuntu1 -intel upload before uploading it?
[02:20] <bryceh> RAOF, I had assumed sarvatt had, but sounds like we need to be more explicit about the testing
[02:21] <Amaranth> wait, so edgers went through 2 DDX ABI changes?
[02:21] <bryceh> I'm wondering if we need some sort of staging ppa in addition to edgers, where the actual uploadable packages can age a bit
[02:21] <RAOF> Amaranth: Yes, because X went through a post-RC1 ABI change.
[02:22] <Amaranth> There was one when the packages all got the ABI updated and another where you just did a rebuild (and I spent half a day with no X :/)
[02:22] <Amaranth> ah, ok
[02:23] <RAOF> bryceh: What would the staging PPA pick up?
[02:23]  * Amaranth waits patiently for intel 1ubuntu2
[02:23] <RAOF> Yeah.  Don't log out before then :)
[02:24] <RAOF> Actually, I think I've heard ubuntu+1-proposed being proposed before.  This PPA would essentially be that.
[02:26] <RAOF> Alternatively, it could be a mirror of the sid/testing Debian split.
[02:26] <bryceh> RAOF, yeah... basically a place for us all to dput things ready for being uploaded to the archive, for final review/testing before actual upload
[02:26] <bryceh> but dunno, maybe that'd just be extra bureaucracy
[02:27] <RAOF> It would block uploads on PPA builder availability.
[02:28] <RAOF> Possibly just being more explicit about testing would do.
[02:29]  * bryceh nods
[02:42] <RAOF> Speaking of testing... time for synaptics.
[02:49] <bjsnider> Amaranth, i'm using xchat-gnome right now and i don't see how it's more fully integrated with gnome than xchat. can you enlighten me?
[02:50] <Amaranth> bjsnider: perhaps xchat has cleaned up since I last used it
[02:50] <Amaranth> It used to look ugly and you had to manually configure what browser to open links with and such
[02:50] <Amaranth> and proxies
[02:50] <bjsnider> well i don't have issues with either of those
[02:51] <Amaranth> not that anyone uses a proxy with IRC :)
[02:51] <bjsnider> maybe you should try xchat?
[02:51] <bjsnider> they both use the same settings directory
[04:46] <Amaranth> bjsnider: btw, does xchat do spell checking?
[04:47] <bjsnider> yup
[04:47] <bjsnider> it do indeed
[04:53] <bjsnider> come to think of it having used both i'm not sure there's a need for an "xchat-gnome" anymore
[07:54] <RAOF> cnd: We need to update to a new evdev for xserver 1.10.  Do you have any wishes while we're at it?
[15:55] <ripps> well, the 2.6.38 kernel is still to unstable. Keep getting ati pageflipping errors in dmesg and the desktop seems to freeze occasionally.
[16:33] <seb128> hello there
[16:34] <seb128> so xchat-gnome started showing refresh issues
[16:34] <seb128> is that a known issue?
[17:33] <Amaranth> seb128: I already filed that bug :)
[17:33] <Amaranth> seb128: It's a regression from -intel 2.13.901 to 2.14.0
[17:34] <seb128> ok, weird
[17:34]  * Amaranth has been living with it for some time on xorg-edgers, figured it would go away after a couple days
[17:34] <seb128> doesn't happen anymore after a session restart
[17:34] <Amaranth> seb128: scroll up
[17:34] <seb128> well I restart my IRC so up is the 2 lines you just wrote
[17:34] <Amaranth> For me it sometimes goes away until I start scrolling
[17:35] <seb128> oh you are right
[17:35] <seb128> do you have the bug number handy?
[17:35] <Amaranth> bug 707236
[17:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 707236 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "corruption in xchat-gnome window (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/707236
[17:36] <Amaranth> I knew I wasn't the only xchat-gnome user left :)
[17:36] <seb128> dholbach complained about it as well
[17:36] <Amaranth> Should have filed that bug sooner :/
[17:37] <jcristau> if it's still in intel master you should file it at fdo
[17:37] <Amaranth> Just figured it was edgers, things break and fix all the time, until I realized the same stuff was about to hit natty
[17:38] <seb128> it did now
[17:38] <Amaranth> jcristau: Apparently edgers has a git snapshot from 3 days ago so I guess I'll file upstream
[17:43] <Azelphur> Anyone got a GTX 570 here? I'm having X freeze issues with mine :(
[17:44] <apw> bryceh, is there an equivalent of intel_reg_dumper for ati and/or nvidia cards?
[17:44] <Azelphur> it's weird, it'll lock up for like 60 seconds, then return to normal as if nothing happened.
[17:44] <Azelphur> (most of the time, sometimes it doesn't come back)
[17:49] <apw> Azelphur, get any errors in dmesg associated with that?
[17:50] <Azelphur> apw http://pastebin.com/qPP9KuYy not sure
[17:50] <Azelphur> I did just have a total freeze and had to kill X
[17:50] <Azelphur> so there should be something near the bottom - if there is anything
[17:51] <Azelphur> it's definitely after line 1059
[17:51] <Azelphur> that Disabled privacy extensions thing might be something to do with it?
[17:52] <apw> Azelphur, so no nothing there ... the lo: bits are networking
[17:52] <Azelphur> ok
[17:52] <apw> nice to see its not just me who has flash pooping self all over the place
[17:52] <Azelphur> haha yea, flash crashes continually, I heard that's a bug in compiz that'll be fixed soon
[17:53] <apw> yeah right, all bugs in compiz are going to be fixed soon.  i am still waiting for my menus to appear above the background relaibly
[17:53] <Azelphur> :D
[17:54] <apw> Sarvatt, ROAF, is there an equivalent of intel_reg_dumper for ati and/or nvidia cards?
[17:55] <Azelphur> oh I should state this early, I'm running quad screen (2 separate X screens both running twinview) card 1 is GTX 570, card 2 is 8800GT :p
[17:55] <Azelphur> figure I'll state my weirdness to start with :)
[17:59] <Azelphur> apw: http://pastebin.com/mtDvzLbB
[17:59] <Azelphur> that's interesting, at the bottom
[18:01] <apw> Azelphur, is this with the binary drivers ?
[18:01] <Azelphur> yes
[18:01] <apw> phew
[18:01] <Azelphur> I had this problem with the version available in the repositories, so I tried building a new package and upgrading to the latest driver, but I still get the problem
[18:08] <bryceh> apw, no there isn't an exact equivalent but I do have leads on a couple tools.
[18:08] <bryceh> apw, what I'm really curious about is if the kernel can emit a signal in these cases like with intel, so we can hook apport to it
[18:17] <apw> bryceh, hangs you mean?  yeah i am more interested in them for 'black screen
[18:17] <apw> on boot' cases i am seeing
[18:19] <bryceh> aha
[18:21] <bryceh> apw, ok, for nouveau there is a pgtest tool mentioned here - https://bugs.freedesktop.org//show_bug.cgi?id=26980#c7
[18:21] <bryceh> dunno if it'd be useful in this case but might be worth checking out
[18:21] <ubot4> Freedesktop bug 26980 in Driver/nouveau "NVA3 / NVA5 / NVA8 / NVAF (GT2xx/GT3xx) with nouveau: random GPU lockups" [Normal,New]
[18:29] <apw> bryceh, know anything about "Nvidia graphics driver, obtained directly from Nvidia", any idea how its packaged, is it dkms ?
[18:43] <bryceh> apw, pretty sure they have their own installer
[18:43] <bryceh> apw, generally if a user installs nvidia from the nvidia site, they're on their own
[18:45] <apw> bryceh, that was my feeling, that he has installed it, got a new kernle and ended up in a mess, and thats what i'd expect "here keep both pieces"
[19:59] <jcristau> apw: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~airlied/radeontool/
[22:03] <bryceh> tjaalton, hey can you shoot me a copy of that driver rebuild script?
[22:23] <RAOF> apt-get source $(apt-cache show xserver-xorg-input-all | grep Depends: | sed s/Depends://g | sed s/,//g)
[22:23] <RAOF> followed by for I in * ; do [ -d $I ] && (cd $I && dch --build "Rebuild against Xserver 1.10" && dpkg-buildpackage -S) ; done
[22:23] <RAOF> ? :)
[22:24] <RAOF> bryceh: Also, good morning :)
[22:24] <jcristau> you mean evening.
[22:25] <jcristau> damn aussies have everything reversed!
[22:25] <jcristau> :)
[22:28] <jcristau> RAOF: pretty useful thing to have scripted for server abi bumps.
[22:29] <RAOF> jcristau: Yeah.  That shell will also pick up x11-common, so it could do with a little bit more love :)
[22:35] <bryceh> RAOF, heya!
[23:45] <RAOF> bryceh: Was Sarvatt going to do the -ati update?


[16:42] <pedroalvarez> Hi! me again :)
[16:43] <pedroalvarez> For use user-data from openstack, I have to add a datasource
[16:46] <pedroalvarez> Config Drive with a configuration as this is enough? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6184639/
[16:46] <pedroalvarez> In the cloud.cfg file.
[17:06] <smoser> pedroalvarez, you dont have to do that at all.
[17:06] <smoser> you just have to enable the datasource
[17:07] <pedroalvarez> smoser: but, how to enable them?
[17:07] <smoser> they're all enabled by default. there is a builtin list.
[17:08] <smoser> but if you want to select
[17:08] <smoser> datasource_list: [ NoCloud, ConfigDrive, OpenNebula, Azure, AltCloud, OVF, MAAS, Ec2, CloudStack, None ]
[17:08] <pedroalvarez> smoser: also in cloud.cfg?
[17:08] <smoser> yeah. or cluod.cfg.d/foo.cfg
[17:10] <pedroalvarez> smoser:
[17:10] <pedroalvarez> thanks