[02:02] <jedijf> 123
[02:13] <waltman> 456
[02:17] <jackson_> 790\
[02:29] <IdleOne> I guess it is true
[02:29] <IdleOne> 7 8 9
[02:56] <jackson_> lol
[05:15] <InHisName> And the Jeporady question being sought is:  Y is 6 afraid of 7 ?
[09:27] <rmg51> Morning
[09:28] <JonathanD> Morning.
[12:05] <waltman> Morning.
[12:10] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples
[12:36] <InHisName> mornin' bear & 2 peoples
[12:36] <InHisName> 3
[13:58] <InHisName> anyone using clear for their internet ?
[14:11] <JonathanD> yeah
[14:17] <teddy-dbear> me too
[14:22] <InHisName> Tell me about it.   What is max d/l and u/l speeds you measure ?   Do they vary or mostly the same day to day?
[14:23] <InHisName> Using dongle or home modem ?
[14:23] <teddy-dbear> I use a mobile hot spot
[14:24] <InHisName> is that a usb dongle or a box ?
[14:24] <teddy-dbear> not very fast
[14:24] <JonathanD> I have the home modem, and the dongle.
[14:25] <teddy-dbear> small (pocket sized) box
[14:25] <JonathanD> The home modem is acceptable for browsing and even netflix and such, but not very good for gaming.
[14:25] <InHisName> is the mobile hot spot just deliver wi-fi only ?
[14:25] <teddy-dbear> yep
[14:26] <InHisName> JonathanD: do you have the basic .5m/up 1m/down or the faster 6m/down & 1m/up ?
[14:26] <JonathanD> The faster.
[14:27] <InHisName> you pay like $50 month for service ?
[14:27] <teddy-dbear> http://www.clear.com/
[14:27] <JonathanD> InHisName: yeah.
[14:27] <JonathanD> InHisName: more cause I have a dongle too.
[14:27] <JonathanD> I think it's $80 total.
[14:27] <InHisName> Already been there and called them too. Lotta 'specials'
[14:29] <rmg51> the hot spot is good when you can't get any other signal
[14:29] <InHisName> Can the dongle be fitted 'hacker wise' into a box that can plug into router to spread internet throughout the home ?   Or is just easier to use the modem to do that type of connection ?
[14:30] <JonathanD> The box would have to support the specific dongle.
[14:30] <InHisName> Does the dongle deliver equivalent speeds as the modem, or is it weeker in that deparment?
[14:30] <JonathanD> I think it is able to deliver similar speeds, but it also has smaller antenna.
[14:30] <JonathanD> So maybe outdoors?
[14:32] <InHisName> is the download speed affected by signal strength or position within the house ?
[14:39] <InHisName> JonathanD: how close to 6mb download do you get from clear when you are mostly idle ?   Does the busyness of a tower affect your limit  ?
[14:41] <JonathanD> it seems pretty reasonable, 95% of the time.
[14:41] <JonathanD> Occasionally I've had issues.
[14:42] <JonathanD> I get 4 out of 5 bars on my modem. I should really move it upstairs.
[14:42] <JonathanD> I do get at or near (or somtimes above) 6mb)
[16:38] <InHisName> I took the plunge, ordered the not quite so 'new' home modem for clear with $50 service. Comes with $100 cash card.
[18:18]  * ChinnoDog yawns loudly
[18:20] <InHisName> So, ChinnoDog, what have you been up to this morning and early aft ?  Hopefully not yawning the whole blessed time.
[18:27] <ChinnoDog> That and working.


[02:01] <GZA-Genius> Hello, just wondering If you guys were aware of issues with Nouveau in 15.04,I have a GTX980 and have been playing around with installing and playing with 15.04. I am actually running a 15.04 headless home server atm and runs great, but my workstation pc can not try, or install from the menu, get a mass of errors sometimes I can get into a tty but not always. The only way I have been able to run15.04 with a gui is to install se
[02:02] <GZA-Genius> forgive me for typo onlaptop atm and hate it...
[02:08] <GZA-Genius> figured I would ask if anyone wanted logs and hat not before moving on...
[09:03] <kbroulik> any idea what could be going on? https://paste.kde.org/pgd2awmk3/jtyyku akonadi does not work because of this. I'm running kubuntu Ci weekly iso thing
[09:03] <kbroulik> I tried chmodding /var/run and/or creating those folders manually but it doesnt work either
[09:04] <kbroulik> akonadi yields this error https://paste.kde.org/pwxrxra2l/cvnj0w
[12:29] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:30] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[15:32] <MoonUnit`> afternoon
[18:15] <jarnos> I made a bootable disk of beta2 by usb-creator-gtk, but it won't boot.
[18:16] <jarnos> desktop-amd64
[18:19] <jarnos> It says "Missing parameter in configuration file. Keyword: path"
[18:21] <jarnos> Following repeatively by "gfxboot.c32: not q COM32R image"
[18:21] <jarnos> "boot:"
[18:21] <jarnos> ^^ q -> a
[18:22] <lordievader> jarnos: Try unetbootin.
[18:23] <MoonUnit`> or you could try to copy it with dd if you know the usb /dev.
[18:24] <jarnos> lordievader, does it give me option to choose keyboard layout and language before running ubuntu from the USB?
[18:25] <lordievader> jarnos: Err, during the install you will be asked for the keyboard layout.
[18:25] <jarnos> lordievader, I need that for live session, too.
[18:28] <jarnos> MoonUnit`, yes, but you can not write other files to the USB then?
[18:32] <MoonUnit`> no, not with dd.
[19:27] <furkan> hey, any tips for upgrading to 15.04 beta? i'm running 14.04 now and ran do-release-upgrade -d
[19:27] <furkan> but it's trying to upgrade me to utopic
[19:28] <lordievader> furkan: Trusty cannot upgrade to Vivid in one go.
[19:28] <furkan> lordievader: oh i see, thanks, so i should let it upgrade to utopic first i guess?
[19:31] <lordievader> furkan: Yes.
[20:29] <smallfoot-> Has anyone tried running bootchart with systemd?
[20:29] <smallfoot-> It seems Vivid boots slow
[20:29] <smallfoot-> it seems stalled just waiting
[20:32] <lordievader> smallfoot-: 'systemd-analyse blame' might help you with that.
[20:33] <smallfoot-> I see, thanks
[20:34] <smallfoot-> systemd-analyse: command not found
[20:34] <smallfoot-> its analyze with z
[20:35] <lordievader> That's the one ;)
[20:35] <smallfoot-> but it just sorts them by which take longest time
[20:35] <elfy> it will
[20:35] <smallfoot-> it doesn't tell anything about parallel jobs like asynchronous operations
[20:35] <elfy> afaik bootchart won't work
[20:36] <smallfoot-> I see :(
[20:36] <lordievader> smallfoot-: Let systemd graph it for you ;)
[20:37] <lordievader> smallfoot-: systemd-analyze plot > boot.svg
[20:37] <elfy> oooh
[20:37] <elfy> thanks lordievader :D
[20:37] <lordievader> Man pages are useful.
[20:38] <smallfoot-> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10691314/
[20:38] <smallfoot-> Anything strange with this log?
[20:38] <smallfoot-> lordievader, wow, thats sweet!
[20:40] <smallfoot-> its true what they say, systemd really is a kitchensink lol
[20:40] <lordievader> That udev thing is taking long...
[20:41] <smallfoot-> I see
[20:41] <smallfoot-> is your systemd-udev-settle.service faster/shorter than mine?
[20:42] <TheNumb> it depends on the amount of devices you have
[20:42] <TheNumb> it has to enumerate them all ;p
[20:42] <TheNumb> block devices that is
[20:42] <lordievader> Then mine is probably faster. Seeing as it doesn't have any :P
[20:43] <smallfoot-> I see
[20:43] <smallfoot-> lordievader, you don't have any? really? i thought everyone had one
[20:43] <smallfoot-> TheNumb, I have 2 ssd, 1 hdd
[20:43] <lordievader> It is not even mentioned.
[20:43] <smallfoot-> TheNumb, does it matter how many partitions too?
[20:43] <lordievader> However mine isn't very up to date.
[20:43] <rww> the udev device settler is for things like LVM, encrypted block devices, etc.
[20:43] <lordievader> smallfoot-: It is a netboot.
[20:43] <smallfoot-> I see
[20:44] <smallfoot-> lordievader, oh cool!
[20:44] <elfy> lordievader: yea for sure - but who bothers with man pages :p
[20:44] <rww> if you don't use any of that, it shouldn't be taking much time
[20:44] <smallfoot-> rww, I don't use LVM or encryption
[20:44] <rww> (I assume, based on how other distros do it)
[20:44] <lordievader> elfy: I read a quote somewhere that the fancy things you read on blogs all, at some point, originate from a man page ;)
[20:44] <elfy> heh - for sure :)
[20:45] <rww> also, systemd-analyze blame falls down when you're analyzing boot time, because it doesn't show that some things run in parallel
[20:45] <elfy> lordievader: mmm - let's make this readable by hooman :)
[20:45] <rww> perhaps you want systemd-analyze dot | dot -Tsvg > systemd.svg
[20:45] <elfy> critical chain helps a bit more in that case than blame
[20:46] <rww> i think that's the right command for bootchart anyway, i forget
[20:46] <rww> oh, huh, didn't know about critical-chain
[20:46] <elfy> it certainly shows the same thing holding up things here as that bootchart
[20:46] <smallfoot-> rww, systemd-analyze plot > boot.svg # does it
[20:46] <rww> plot, there we go
[20:47] <rww> yeah, dot is for dependencies, derp
[20:47] <elfy> yepcritical chain just shows me the same as the plot does - in regard to what's possibly the hold up
[20:48] <elfy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10691385/
[20:48] <elfy> network-online.target hangs about then finally libvirt-bin.service finishes off in 243ms
[20:49] <elfy> at least that's how I read it
[20:49] <elfy> and I think I've seen bug report re network.online recently
[20:49] <smallfoot-> elfy, how did u get that output from that paste?
[20:50] <rww> smallfoot-: systemd-analyze critical-chain
[20:50] <elfy> systemd-analyze critical-chain
[20:50] <smallfoot-> thanks
[20:50] <rww> mine goes through nmbd, but i need that :c
[20:50] <rww> oh well
[20:50] <smallfoot-> Am I the only one with slow systemd boot?
[20:50] <elfy> smallfoot-: do systemd-analyze then tab twice
[20:50] <smallfoot-> Should I file a report on Launchpad?
[20:50] <rww> smallfoot-: what's the output of that command?
[20:51] <elfy> smallfoot-: I've seen people with 1.5 minutes
[20:51] <smallfoot-> Startup finished in 14.865s (firmware) + 11.133s (loader) + 6.127s (kernel) + 42.079s (userspace) = 1min 14.206s
[20:51] <smallfoot-> 36.013s systemd-udev-settle.service
[20:51] <smallfoot-> I don't have any LVM or encryption
[20:52] <TheNumb> I haven't checked out vivid after the switch to systemd.
[20:52] <TheNumb> Maybe I should
[20:52] <rww> smallfoot-: that's not the output of systemd-analyze critical-chain, try again
[20:52] <TheNumb> see if hangs on  systemd-udev-settle
[20:53] <smallfoot-> rww, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10691416/
[20:56] <smallfoot-> this systemd-udev-settle.service is evil!!
[20:56] <elfy> mmm
[20:56] <elfy> you also appear to be hanging up on a fsck too
[20:56] <elfy> oh no - lying
[20:57] <elfy> but there is ~36 seconds at the bottom


[01:52] <cgrier> hi BRZ folks. I need help configuring BZRTOOLS under OpenSuse. I can get as far as ./setup.py install   but the builds always fail.
[01:53] <spiv> cgrier: what error do you get (perhaps pastebin them if it's more than 2 lines long)
[01:54] <spiv> cgrier: a common issue is that you'll need some 'devel' packages installed (maybe called 'python-devel' on suse?)
[01:57] <cgrier> Thanks I'll check for the the python devel stuff.
[01:57] <cgrier> didn't think that would be needed.
[01:58] <cgrier> I can do the test "bzr zap -h" and it works correctly, but my build always fails with BZR: unknown command "patch"
[02:08] <lifeless> cgrier: the patch command is in bzrtools
[02:08] <lifeless> cgrier: you need to install that addon
[02:23] <cgrier> lifeless: I did unzip all the bzrtools and followed the documentation on installing, but it didn't always recognize the extra stuff during when doing a make
[02:23] <cgrier> I did the ./setup.py install
[02:24] <cgrier> when that didn't work I tried the "mv" to the .bazaar folder
[02:25] <cgrier> but  I didn't really understand the "mv" approach, since it said to not copy the contents.
[02:26] <lifeless> is bzrtools listed in 'bzr plugins' ?
[02:28] <cgrier> I'll check. how do I do that?
[02:28] <cgrier> I tried bzr-explorer from the command line, but it isn't a good command (I know the package is installed)
[02:32] <cgrier> OK, duh
[02:32] <cgrier> I tried bzr plugins
[02:32] <cgrier> and bzrtools is listed
[02:33] <cgrier> if I try "test.py" it gives this response: ImportError: cannot import name bzrtools
[02:58] <lifeless> cgrier: you need to call bzrlib.plugin.load_plugins()
[02:58] <lifeless> or something like that
[02:58] <lifeless> before you can import plugins, I think.
[02:58] <lifeless> sorry, I'm out of date here.
[03:11] <cgrier> OK, I'll try that. need to hang up now thanks for the assist
[23:32] <hachre> how worried should I be that there has been no development for a year?


[15:14] <GlitchMr> Hi, please log that line to logs
[15:14] <GlitchMr> This isn't nice move
[15:14] <GlitchMr> ...
[15:14] <GlitchMr> why this channel even exist?
[15:15] <GlitchMr> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/07/27/%23launchpad-translators.html -> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/07/27/%23launchpad-translators.html -> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/07/27/%23launchpad-translators.html -> FORK BOMB


[01:22] <smoser> hallyn, no, user data scripts do not get any information about their launch-index. that was a feature request made recently by hazmat, and i plan to have something for that soon.
[01:22] <smoser> feel free to open a bug, though (i'd appreciate if you do, specifically mentinging desire for "launch-index" available somehow -- likely it will be environment)
[04:50] <blendedbychris> anyone know tools to follow a request from haproxy->nginx->php-fpm->glustterfs and figure out latency issues?
[04:51] <blendedbychris> i'm having sparatic response time issues with my web cluster nodes
[04:51] <blendedbychris> it'll jump from 300ms to 3000s
[04:51] <blendedbychris> er
[04:51] <blendedbychris> 3s
[09:25] <mcloy> can anyone see my text?  is there a way not to install kde (remove it) but run dolphin or xchat or a video (just these applications) and do all work at command line?
[09:31] <twb> ikonia: is that the same guy as was doing it about two weeks ago?
[09:32] <ikonia> twb: yes
[11:31] <master> hello, i have a problem with my NICs, both of them are gigabit however, for some reason I can't get them to work on gigabit. They're stuck ot 100 mbs. Tried to set the manually with ethtool however no result
[11:52] <haxxpop> hi, I'm try to use Phusion Passenger, but Apache2 doesn't know RailsBaseURI command. What should I do? I only did the installation before I asked you.
[11:55] <sofco3> how can i change an NIC speed from  Ethernet 100Mb/s to gigabit. the nic supports its
[11:56] <sofco3> i dunno why it defaults to 100
[11:57] <mardraum> what is it plugged into?
[11:57] <e_t_> How have you determined the speed?
[12:03] <sofco3> mardraum: into tplink 1043 gigabit router with 2 meter cable
[12:03] <sofco3> e_t_:  i'm setting a homeserver and noticed that file transfer don't peak above 12 mb/s
[12:04] <sofco3> e_t_: used webmin is showing speed at 100mbs and also used ethtool
[12:04] <e_t_> Is it a cat5e or cat6 cable that will support gigabit speed?
[12:08] <sofco3> e_t_: its a cat5e
[12:10] <e_t_> Can you pastebin the output of 'lspci' ?
[12:11] <sofco3> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1009592/
[12:13] <sofco3> I'm using the broadcom nic
[12:13] <e_t_> Do you get any better speed if you use the Realtek ?
[12:15] <sofco3> nope, still goes to 100 mbs
[12:16] <sofco3> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1009599/
[12:17] <e_t_> Same problem on two disparate cards means it's not hardware-related.
[12:20] <sofco3> e_t_: yep, i think that is some configuration info
[12:21] <e_t_> What's the output of 'cat /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules' ?
[12:25] <sofco3> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1009615/
[12:26] <sofco3> just did a quick recabling so now the server and the desktop go not directly to the router but via gigabit swich, still 100 mbs
[12:30] <e_t_> It looks like this is not a unique problem [ https://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+gigabit+100mb+only ] but I didn't see a sure solution, sorry.
[12:37] <sofco31> hmm
[12:48] <sofco31> hmmm
[12:48] <sofco31> maybe i found the problem
[12:48] <RoyK> e_t_: you can run gigabit over good old cat5 these days too
[12:50] <twb> RoyK: IIRC cat5e is not *rated* for gigE, which means that while it will usually work (especially for short runs), it is not guaranteed to by quality specifications.
[12:50] <RoyK> twb: cat5e is, cat5 isn't ;)
[12:51] <twb> RoyK: I believe you are wrong
[12:51] <sofco31> gotta go, but from first look it's some stupid bug >:( after 2 days of brainstorming it appears that for some fucking reason you can't connect to gigabit on auto config.
[12:51] <RoyK> I beleive I'm right ;)
[12:51] <sofco31> after everything is booted you have to manually do a ifdown and ifup
[12:51] <RoyK> http://www.connectworld.net/syscon/support.htm
[12:52] <sofco31> and they'll connect to gigabit
[12:52] <sofco31> wtf....
[12:52] <RoyK> twb: some info there http://www.connectworld.net/syscon/support.htm
[12:53] <twb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat5e indicates it is often used for gige but makes no mention of it being rated for same
[12:53] <RoyK> sofco31: some autonegotiate bits vary between makers, on 100Mbps it was rather bad, on gigabit it's been far better. the trick back in the 100Mbps days, was to use fixed speed and duplex rate
[12:53] <RoyK> twb: from the link above "CAT-5e components were designed with high-speed gigabit Ethernet in mind."
[12:54] <twb> gigE standard requires autonegotiation, btw.
[12:54] <twb> RoyK: well, OK, thought that's not quite the same :-)
[12:54] <RoyK> oh, it does?
[12:55] <twb> RoyK: AFAIK yes
[12:55] <twb> RoyK: I can't back that up with facts atm tho
[12:55] <twb> (bedtime)
[12:55] <RoyK> from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigabit_Ethernet - IEEE 802.3ab, ratified in 1999, defines gigabit Ethernet transmission over unshielded twisted pair (UTP) category 5, 5e, or 6 cabling and became known as 1000BASE-T. With the ratification of 802.3ab, gigabit Ethernet became a desktop technology as organizations could use their existing copper cabling infrastructure.
[12:56] <RoyK> sofco31: seems twb is right - gigE *requires* autoneg
[13:42] <reisi> is anyone else spending their weekend at work because of the new kernel image?
[13:42] <reisi> that is on 10.04 lts server; linux-image-2.6.32-41-server
[13:43] <reisi> we've got every process and task hanging like http://pastebin.com/1bGnpAHp
[13:43] <reisi> loads are 30+, normally < 1
[13:47] <reisi> ok.. now that kvm FINALLY booted (only one guest) everything started to get unstuck
[13:47] <reisi> this is 22 minutes after booting
[14:11] <koolhead17> hi all
[14:11] <reisi> well, i guess my problem died away by killing collectd
[15:57] <tarvid> system hang this morning - http://paste.ubuntu.com/1009834/
[15:57] <tarvid> last message - May 27 06:51:14 fairfax2 kernel: [1294212.040024] ata3: SRST failed (errno=-16)
[15:59] <patdk-lap> kind of hard for a system to keep working
[15:59] <patdk-lap> when it's harddrive is failing
[16:07] <Soekris> hello
[16:07] <Soekris> I got som troblues met my self and get MAAS notworking
[16:08] <Soekris> I got 2 nodes with status REady is that oke ?
[16:08] <Soekris> so i can run juju bootstrap ?
[16:13] <tarvid> there are no hard drive failure messages
[16:13] <tarvid> and this is RAID0 and no recovery action was taken
[16:14] <patdk-lap> no failure messages? what do you call all those messages?
[16:14] <patdk-lap> it comes down to a few issues, harddrive, controller, or cable
[16:15] <qman__> yeah, one of those three failed
[16:15] <tarvid> supposed to be RAID0 , I don't see any attempt at recovery
[16:16] <qman__> there wouldn't be one
[16:16] <qman__> the drive quit while operating, raid 0 doesn't offer redundancy, nothing to recover
[16:16] <tarvid> two hard drives, two cables
[16:16] <qman__> and?
[16:16] <qman__> those messages indicate hardware failing, it could just be a loose cable but it's probably the drive
[16:17] <qman__> raid 0 does not offer any redundancy, there's nothing to recover from, if either drive goes you're done
[16:17] <qman__> it's strictly for increased performance
[16:17] <tarvid> hmm, I am not sure how to check the raid array
[16:17] <qman__> there's nothing to check
[16:18] <tarvid> it is running at the moment
[16:18] <qman__> check the hard drives' smart info
[16:18] <patdk-lap> if it's raid0 there is only one answer, it's screwed
[16:18] <qman__> smartctl
[16:18] <patdk-lap> unless you can get that drive working again
[16:18] <tarvid> maybe it is raid 1 mirroring
[16:18] <patdk-lap> this is hopeless
[16:19] <patdk-lap> we can only hlep based on what you can tell us
[16:19] <qman__> those error messages have _nothing whatsoever_ to do with raid
[16:19] <qman__> they're hardware errors
[16:19] <qman__> one of your drives, cables, or controllers failed
[16:19] <tarvid> installing smartmontools
[16:21] <tarvid> noW SMARTCTL WAS HELPFUL
[16:24] <patdk-lap> well, it's only as useful to read the data from the drive
[16:24] <patdk-lap> so the better the drive is at knowing what is wrong, the better smartctl will be
[16:27] <qman__> right
[16:28] <qman__> and if the drive is showing a bunch of hardware errors, the drive is going bad
[16:28] <qman__> if not, it might be going bad but might also be a cable or controller problem
[16:33] <tarvid> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1009931/ both sda and sdb  do not look promising
[16:37] <tarvid> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1009938/ mdadm -D /dev/md0
[16:37] <tarvid> looks like it did what it was supposed to do - sda removed and I am up with sdb
[16:40] <tarvid> thanks for the help, maybe I learned something
[17:59] <Ketsueki_K> anyone have experience with ARToolKit?
[18:16] <harushimo> I'm trying to run the ubuntu cloud cd
[18:16] <harushimo> it isn't working
[18:17] <harushimo> I keep getting this error message: This kernel requires x86-64 CPU. but only detected an i686 cpu. Unable to boot
[18:17] <harushimo> what is that error message mean?
[18:19] <harushimo> any ideas
[18:19] <harushimo> ?
[20:57] <tarvid> what is a good alterntive to vsftpd?
[20:58] <tarvid> what are ny chances of forcing everyone to use sftp?
[21:02] <RoyK> tarvid: scp or rsync over ssh?
[21:02] <RoyK> rsync uses ssh by default these days, since, what, 2005 or so?
[21:03] <tarvid> most of my clients use filezilla
[21:04] <tarvid> rsync makes sense
[21:04] <tarvid> i use it for inter server transfers
[21:11] <RoyK> doesn't filezilla support ftp over ssh?
[21:16] <smw> RoyK, it probably supports sftp
[21:17] <smw> RoyK, which is NOT FTP over ssh but is a file transfer protocol that works over ssh
[21:17] <RoyK> I've seen sftp used as both ftp over ssh and ftp over ssl, a bit confusing
[21:18] <smw> RoyK, no, sftp is a separate protocol
[21:18] <smw> ftps is ftp over ssl
[21:18] <smw> RoyK, but yes... I see how this might cause confusion
[21:19] <smw> RoyK, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH_File_Transfer_Protocol
[21:19] <RoyK> mhm
[21:19] <tarvid> going to take some play
[21:20] <zastaph> how far are aptitude usually behind release schedule?
[21:20] <tarvid> first try suggests manual transfer over stfp will work from filezilla
[21:20] <zastaph> for instance git is at <IP_ADDRESS> but current is <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:21] <smw> RoyK, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Transfer_Protocol#Secure_FTP
[21:22] <smw> RoyK, that explains the difference in a nut shell
[21:22] <RoyK> I know... not very nerdy tonight, after 44km on the bike
[21:22] <smw> lol
[21:24] <RoyK> smw: I'm quite aware of the differences, I just find it confusing that SFTP is used for both. I also find it somewhat worrying that people still use FTP, a protocol that should have been abandoned years ago
[21:27] <streulma> RoyK: still asking the same question as a few days ago ?
[21:29] <smw> RoyK, here is my opinion on ftp: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie
[21:29] <RoyK> streulma: me? asking questions? about what?
[21:30] <qman__> RoyK, SFTP isn't used for both, FTP over SSL is FTPS
[21:30] <qman__> anybody who refers to FTPS as SFTP is just plain wrong
[21:31] <RoyK> qman__: I didn't say it was a standard, I just said it's used for both by certain parties
[21:31] <smw> qman__, people do say sftp for ftp+ssh
[21:31] <smw> qman__, this is also wrong... but too comon
[21:31] <qman__> and those people are wrong
[21:31] <smw> common*
[21:32] <qman__> of course, someone's always going to be wrong on the internet
[21:32] <RoyK> http://xkcd.com/386/
[21:32] <smw> qman__, I am saying that it is too common to be ignored
[21:32] <qman__> I disagree
[21:33] <RoyK> qman__: if a million people make the same mistake, it's not merely a stupid error, but a trend, and should therefore be allowed focus
[22:42] <ringzer0> How do I get colorful tty?
[22:42] <ringzer0> e.g. blue directories in bash?
[22:44] <RoyK> should work by default
[22:46] <ringzer0> RoyK: not in the Rackspace ssh distro/whatever
[22:47] <RoyK> ls -F --colour=auto
[22:47] <ringzer0> Interesting, i type bash and the colors load up.
[22:47] <RoyK> ls -F --color=auto
[22:47] <RoyK> ah
[22:47] <RoyK> chsh
[22:47] <ringzer0> what is chsh?
[22:47] <RoyK> man chsh ;)
[22:48] <ringzer0> The chsh command changes the user login shell. This determines the name of the user's initial login command. A normal user may only change the login shell for her own account; the superuser may change the login shell for any account.
[22:48] <RoyK> yes, I know
[22:49] <RoyK> so chsh -s /bin/bash
[22:49] <RoyK> it'll change your default shell to bash
[22:49] <ringzer0> weird, yeah I did that
[22:49] <ringzer0> it seemed to change.
[22:49] <ringzer0> but then i logged out and back in via ssh
[22:49] <ringzer0> and it came back to non color
[22:49] <streulma> why is dash the default and not bash ?
[22:49] <RoyK> what does "ps $$" say?
[22:50] <RoyK> streulma: no idea - it's stupid
[22:50] <ringzer0> my etc/passwd is : root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash
[22:50] <ringzer0> root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash
[22:50] <ringzer0> oops
[22:50] <ringzer0> sorry
[22:51] <ringzer0> 7328 pts/0    Ss     0:00 -bash
[22:51] <streulma> bin sh is linked to bin dash
[22:51] <ringzer0> but when I make it work, by typing bash, it gives me: 7431 pts/0    S      0:00 bash
[22:51] <ringzer0> bash without the - in front
[22:52] <ringzer0> is -bash different than bash?  cause it works without the - after i type in bash again after logging in.
[22:52] <ringzer0> and which bash shows /bin/bash
[22:53] <ringzer0> could this have something to do with sshd?
[22:55] <streulma> ringzer0:I have also -bash
[22:55] <streulma> you have no colors ?
[22:55] <streulma> do something like sudo apt-get install htop
[22:55] <streulma> run the htop command
[22:56] <streulma> and see if you have colors
[22:56] <ringzer0> i see colors
[22:56] <ringzer0> if i type in bash
[22:56] <ringzer0> 'b-a-s-h' in the term, then it reloads, and I have colors
[22:56] <ringzer0> its like ssh'd in bash vs the bash binary are 2 different things.
[22:59] <streulma> I have a solution
[22:59] <streulma> what do you have in ~/.bashrc ?
[23:00] <streulma> a lot of text ?
[23:03] <streulma> hello ringzer0 ?


[06:00] <hikiko> hello
[06:43] <pitti> Good morning
[08:16] <didrocks> good morning
[08:16] <flocculant> hi didrocks
[08:16] <pitti> bonjour didrocks ! as-tu dormi mieux ?
[08:19] <didrocks> hey flocculant
[08:20] <didrocks> bonjour pitti, un peu sommeil, mais ça va, et toi ?
[08:20] <pitti> didrocks: ça va bien, salut de Louvain !
[08:21] <didrocks> tu as fait un bon voyage hier ?
[08:21] <pitti> didrocks: oui, pas de problème, les trains étaient ponctuels et calmes
[08:22] <pitti> mon bureau roulant :)
[08:22] <didrocks> hehe :)
[08:58] <larsu> morning!
[08:59] <seb128> hey larsu
[08:59] <seb128> how is pre-fosdem?
[09:00] <larsu> seb128: great!  Already given up on Europe over there?
[09:16] <Laney> VOTE LEAVE
[09:17] <Laney> HAHA
[09:17] <Laney> I just visited their website to link you to it
[09:17] <Laney> http://voteleave.eu
[09:18] <larsu> Laney: nice!
[09:18] <Laney> think I got confused though
[09:19] <Laney> there's http://leave.eu/ and http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/
[09:19] <Laney> worst domain ever
[09:19] <Laney> also doesn't work on firefox for me
[09:20] <pitti> hey Laney!
[09:20] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[09:22] <seb128> salut pitti
[09:24] <Laney> hey pitti
[09:24] <Laney> how's belgium?
[09:24] <larsu> morgen pitti!
[09:24] <larsu> Laney: sunny
[09:24] <seb128> larsu, how is the hackfest?
[09:25] <larsu> seb128: lots of random discussion this morning
[09:25] <larsu> something about symbol versioning and glib types right now
[09:25]  * larsu shrugs
[09:25] <seb128> larsu, any chance to bring the topic of having an hint to hide csd decoration of maximized windows?
[09:25] <seb128> or not the right people for that?
[09:26] <larsu> seb128: not really (mclasen isn't here)
[09:26] <larsu> seb128: but I'll ask
[09:26] <seb128> thanks
[09:27] <Trevinho> Good morning!
[09:27] <seb128> hey Trevinho!
[09:27] <seb128> how are you?
[09:27] <Trevinho> seb128: quite good. You?
[09:27] <larsu> morning Trevinho
[09:28] <seb128> Trevinho, I'm good thanks :-)
[09:30] <Trevinho> Hi larsu, morning!
[09:34] <didrocks> hey Trevinho!
[09:35] <Trevinho> didrocks: about that unity branch. I've no bot. Something weird happened.
[09:35] <Trevinho> didrocks: hey, by the way
[09:36] <didrocks> Trevinho: how are things going?
[09:36] <Trevinho> didrocks: Allright, you?
[09:37] <didrocks> I'm fine, thanks!
[09:37] <didrocks> ready to travel again tomorrow now :)
[09:39] <pitti> didrocks: pas plus de jetlag ? c'est bien !
[09:40] <seb128> just have a good night to deal with those ;-)
[09:40] <didrocks> pitti: de longues nuits, mais pas réveillé tôt au moins :)
[11:31] <tjaalton> a recent upgrade broke the terminal scrollbar, it has a grey backgound now instead of being "transparent"
[11:34] <tjaalton> libvte perhaps
[12:23] <willcooke> tjaalton, would you mind logging a bug?
[12:24] <tjaalton> willcooke: sure
[12:24] <willcooke> thanks
[12:25] <Laney> probably the last theme upload
[12:29] <tjaalton> yep, downgrading light-themes fixed it
[12:32] <tjaalton> filed 1539055
[12:33] <willcooke> #1539055
[12:33] <willcooke> bug 1539055
[13:14] <alexarnaud> hello everybody
[13:14] <alexarnaud> hikiko, Trevinho : are you available?
[13:15] <Trevinho> alexarnaud: hi, yes
[13:15] <alexarnaud> Ok, good
[13:15] <hikiko> alexarnaud, I was about to go for lunch
[13:15] <alexarnaud> I've a bug with CCSM <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:15] <alexarnaud> I'm trying to configure it with GSettings on Mate environnement
[13:16] <alexarnaud> everything work very good expect for main menu (ALT+F1) and run command (ALT+F2)
[13:16] <alexarnaud> Do you have an idead of why ?
[13:17] <alexarnaud> If I try to configure it on CCSM, it configure the keys and deconfirue it instantly
[13:17] <alexarnaud> Trevinho: Do you know this issue?
[13:17] <hikiko> maybe they are reserved by something else?
[13:18] <hikiko> another plugin?
[13:18] <alexarnaud> The Mate plugin for Compiz is not bundle in this version
[13:18] <hikiko|ln> I ll be back in a while
[13:18] <hikiko|ln> Mate plugin?
[13:19] <alexarnaud> hikiko|ln: Yes, in the last code of Compiz I see a mate compat plugin
[13:19] <alexarnaud> hikiko|ln: what is the goal of it ?
[13:19] <Trevinho> alexarnaud: oh... Honestly I don't know what it might happen
[13:20] <Trevinho> alexarnaud: maybe is that used by some other plugin that is enabled? It should say something by the way
[13:20] <alexarnaud> Trevinho: it says nothing
[13:21] <Trevinho> alexarnaud: have you tried to change that from pure gsettings?
[13:21] <alexarnaud> Yes, I give it from my override file but they appear like disabled
[13:21] <alexarnaud> The screenshot key however works perfectly
[13:22] <alexarnaud> Trevinho: In my version of Compiz everything in GSettings and Compiz must work ?
[13:23] <alexarnaud> Trevinho: I see plugin named "matecompat" in the latest version that is present in the <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:30] <alexarnaud> Trevinho: So I'll retry more to find the best way to solve the issue
[13:31] <alexarnaud> Thanks everyone
[13:32] <alexarnaud> I've only few percent of battery, I need to disconect me. See you soon
[13:35] <willcooke> larsu, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-themes/14.04+16.04.20160120-0ubuntu1
[13:35] <willcooke> where could I see an example of that through-drawing on web kti?
[13:35] <willcooke> kit
[13:36] <larsu> willcooke: devhelp or epiphany
[13:37] <willcooke> thx
[13:37] <larsu> let me know if you run into problems
[13:37] <larsu> I think that patch should fix it though
[13:38] <willcooke> larsu, https://launchpad.net/bugs/1539055
[13:38] <willcooke> makes the scrollbars elsewhere have the wrong colour backgrounds
[13:38] <larsu> ugh. bad.
[13:40] <larsu> willcooke: seems like it's a different issue (last comment...)
[13:40] <larsu> ah it does show a different background for me as well
[13:41] <larsu> are we sure it didn't do that before?
[13:41]  * larsu can't imagine this fix breaking that
[13:41] <willcooke> what's that, having a solid background behind an OL scroll bar?
[13:42] <larsu> ya
[13:42] <larsu> on terminal
[13:42] <willcooke> I wondered that as well, firing up a W machine to see
[13:42]  * willcooke . . o O ( It's a feature not a bug )
[13:43] <larsu> thanks :)
[13:43] <larsu> probably we want to fix that
[13:43] <larsu> but at least we can keept the webkit fix for now
[13:43] <Laney> it is that
[13:44] <larsu> Laney: stop ruining my fun!
[13:44] <willcooke> http://imgur.com/3oRPpYL
[13:44] <Laney> soooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyy
[13:44] <larsu> Laney: are you sure? willcooke is seeing it on W as wel
[13:44] <larsu> *well
[13:45] <Laney> that screenshot doesn't show the bug
[13:45] <Laney> put the mouse off it
[13:45] <Laney> and yes, it's easy to comment out the lines in the theme to see
[13:45] <Laney> :(
[13:46] <larsu> :(
[13:46] <larsu> Laney: I'll have a look (but probably not this afternoon)
[13:46] <willcooke> http://imgur.com/Fyhxo3l
[13:47] <Laney> ya
[13:50] <willcooke> larsu, ok if I assign that one to you for now then?
[13:51] <larsu> ya
[13:51] <willcooke> thx larsu
[13:52] <larsu> Sweet5hark: you in Brussels yet? There's a libreoffice hackfest next door...
[13:53] <Sweet5hark> larsu: nope, didnt want yet-another-extra-night-on-Canonical-expenses. I will arrive with the first flight tomorrow.
[13:54] <larsu> Sweet5hark: awesome. see you in the morning then ;)
[13:54] <Sweet5hark> larsu: say hi to them for me! (lets see if that roundtrips back to me on #libreoffice) ;)
[13:55] <larsu> Sweet5hark: I would shout over to mmeeks, but he seems very busy with conversation ;)
[13:56] <Sweet5hark> larsu: as usual!
[13:57] <Laney> larsu: looks like you can just set a different rule for TerminalScreenContainer .scrollbar
[13:57] <Laney> there's already some of those in apps/gnome-terminal.css
[13:58] <larsu> is terminal the only one with that problem?
[13:59] <willcooke> I think it shows up there because of the dark background
[13:59] <willcooke> oh
[13:59] <willcooke> umm
[13:59] <willcooke> larsu, Laney - could you try something....
[14:00] <willcooke> open Nautilus, open /bin or something with lots of stuff in
[14:00] <willcooke> expand the window to say 4 or 5 cols of icons
[14:00] <Laney> looks like it, I don't see in gedit anyway
[14:00] <willcooke> mouse over the scroll bar, all fine
[14:00] <willcooke> now resize to a small horizontally as you can
[14:00] <willcooke> here it's 2 cols
[14:01] <willcooke> no more scroll bar
[14:01] <willcooke> expand to 3 cols, scroll bar back again
[14:01] <willcooke> just me?
[14:02] <larsu> works for me :/
[14:03] <willcooke> I'll reinstall this box next week anyway and I'll try it again
[14:05] <davmor2> willcooke: I see it in today live cd
[14:05] <willcooke> thanks davmor2
[14:05] <willcooke> I'll open a bug
[14:07] <willcooke> seems to be just Nautilus
[14:07] <davmor2> willcooke: it looks like it stop displaying if you drag in the side as far as it will go, anything short of that and it displays
[14:07] <willcooke> hummmmmmm
[14:08] <willcooke> now I've moved the separator between the right and left sides of the window
[14:08] <willcooke> I can only get down to 3 cols
[14:08] <willcooke> and it always shows
[14:08] <willcooke> yeah, I can see the scrollbar getting pushed off the side of the window
[14:09] <davmor2> willcooke: if you take it in all the way and then slowly move it back out before you get back up to 3 it displays just trying to screenshot it
[14:14] <davmor2> willcooke: http://people.canonical.com/~davmor2/desktop-screenshots/2columns-noscroll.png and http://people.canonical.com/~davmor2/desktop-screenshots/2columns-scroll.png
[14:14] <willcooke> thx davmor2
[14:15] <willcooke> I think we need a video to demo it really, but, we're going to be rolling back to the previous version of Nautilus anyway
[14:15] <willcooke> so I'll try it again then
[14:19] <davmor2> willcooke: do the same thing with logviewer
[14:20] <davmor2> willcooke: ah nevermind it work if you remove the yellow label just not until you do
[15:19] <qengho> Hi. May I have a sponsor for upload to x and perhaps to debian? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdg-utils/+bug/1518053
[15:19] <qengho> And another for upload to x only? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1527727
[15:28] <seb128> cyphermox, ^ can you maybe help on the grub one?
[15:32] <cyphermox> sure
[15:34] <seb128> thanks
[15:35] <seb128> didrocks you said you would re-review the xdg-utils update/merge iirc?
[15:35] <didrocks> seb128: I don't think I clearly acked on it TBH
[15:35] <didrocks> and I doubt I'll have time in the coming weeks TBH :/
[15:36] <seb128> k
[15:36] <seb128> wasn't Laney doing a patch pilot this week? ;-)
[15:36] <Laney> did it on monday
[16:03] <davmor2> willcooke, seb128: so I've tried a bunch of installs on 16.04 and 14.04.4 and renamed the main partition as moo and it still boot and everything on the file system seems the same, root own everything under / d owns /home/d and I could touch files in /tmp/ ~ and home ~/Documents after reboot
[16:03] <willcooke> thanks a lot davmor2
[16:03] <seb128> davmor2, ok, thanks for trying
[16:04] <seb128> I wonder what went wrong in that install
[16:04] <seb128> weird that fstab was empty :-/
[16:05] <davmor2> seb128: oh I just thought your friend French by any chance?
[16:06] <davmor2> seb128: I wonder if it was named with an accented character at all?
[16:07] <seb128> davmor2, no, but the setup might have been a bit more complex
[16:08] <seb128> disks have been changed on the machine
[16:08] <davmor2> seb128: that's true too
[16:08] <seb128> fstab had a comment saying that / was /dev/sdb1
[16:08] <seb128> but in fact it was /dev/sda1
[16:08] <seb128> but / was correctly mounted before the label change
[16:08] <davmor2> yeah that won't help :)
[16:09] <seb128> so I wonder if something was fallbacking on finding the partition by label or something
[16:11] <qengho> cyphermox: Yes, I talked to grub upstream. I explained in a comment. They don't want the patch because they think the right thing is to include a library that that has an incompatible license.
[16:11] <qengho> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1527727/comments/8
[16:12] <cyphermox> but that patch makes some sense even outside of the zfs use case
[16:12] <cyphermox> sorry, I hadn't parsed the comment that way
[16:12] <cyphermox> I'll pull the patch on Debian if cjwatson has no objection
[16:13] <qengho> cyphermox: paraphrasing, "We don't want to try all the permutations. We can't predict where block devices could be universally always, so we don't want to cover any additional cases at all.!
[16:13] <cyphermox> bah
[16:14] <cyphermox> qengho: do you have a link to the thread?
[16:18] <qengho> cyphermox: http://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?43653#comment4
[16:19] <cyphermox> ah, cool, thanks
[16:21] <mhall119> bregma: willcooke: https://twitter.com/FrancescoPonzin/status/692742919485263874 can we put Remmina (or something like it) on the short list of early app targets?
[16:22] <mhall119> the use-case for it is one I hadn't thought about, but makes so much sense
[16:22] <willcooke> mhall119, it should work today in Libertine
[16:22] <willcooke> otherwise you're gonna need Mir support in there
[16:23] <bregma> we actually had the Citrix client also working in Libertine at some point, haven't tested lately
[16:23] <willcooke> taa daa
[16:23] <willcooke> :D
[16:23]  * willcooke assumes bregma has a trigger on libertine
[16:23] <mhall119> bregma: oh, would you happen to have a screenshot of that?
[16:23] <willcooke> oh
[16:24] <willcooke> I see bregma was already on mhalls message
[16:24] <bregma> hmm, no, all my screenshots are of it not working
[16:24] <willcooke> ha
[16:29] <qengho> bregma: is that a public name, libertine?
[16:30] <bregma> qengho, I suppose so, it's Free software available in the Ubuntu archives
[16:31] <bregma> we do not hide that we're libertines, in fact we're kind of proud
[16:33] <qengho> bregma: a pride-worthy definition is not the one I think of first.
[16:34] <bregma> well, the name came from the fact that it allows you to run unconfined applications without any kind of restraint, which can do unmentionable things to your system
[16:34] <bregma> but with Libertine, that gets confined to a sandbox so it's (mostly) harmless
[16:35] <qengho> bregma: all right. carry on.
[17:17] <didrocks> see you tomorrow guys!
[17:23] <Sweet5hark> Oh, wow I retweeted CmdrTaco and he liked the tweet. Im a 1990ies Linux superstar!
[17:27] <bschaefer> pitti, hello, i was told you could help we re-start this process? https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/xenial/landing-010/excuses.html
[17:27] <pitti> bschaefer: which process?
[17:27] <bschaefer> as britney seems to have failed (from a seemingly flaky test)
[17:28] <qengho> Sweet5hark: Imagine a beowulf cluster of retweets!
[17:28] <bschaefer> pitti, automated test for landing
[17:31] <Sweet5hark> qengho: I, for one, welcome our new retweeting robotic overlords!
[17:33] <pitti> bschaefer: restarted (I think)
[17:34] <bschaefer> pitti, awesome thanks!
[17:35] <bschaefer> worst case we can rebuild everything again
[19:29] <willcooke> g'night gang
[20:25] <attente> robert_ancell: hey, i had to switch it to use plaintext signing because that was the only way to submit a review to the rnr server
[20:26] <robert_ancell> attente, which one?
[20:26] <attente> the current one on production
[20:27] <robert_ancell> huh, I thought that wasn't working


[00:38]  * omolina is away: 11
[07:03] <ara> morning!
[07:58] <persia> Big news for this morning: no dailies : it's a fresh day in other activities :)
[08:19] <ara> davmor2: good morning
[08:20] <ara> persia: yahooooooO!!!!!!!!
[08:20] <davmor2> Good Morning Everybody
[09:00]  * davmor2 starts smoke testing again :)
[09:01] <persia> davmor2: On the beta?
[09:01]  * persia points at the disabled cronjob
[09:01] <davmor2> persia: what disabled cron job?
[09:01] <persia> The one that generates daily images.
[09:02] <persia> Go ahead.  rsync.  You'll be amazed at the speed :)
[09:03] <davmor2> persia: This is where I test apps rather than the installer though.  I use the desktop all day and highlight glitches :)
[09:04] <persia> Oh.  That's different then.
[09:06] <davmor2> persia: on main tests I test mostly the installer and then a couple of app just to see that the desktop is working.  With the smoke tests I test all the apps their plugins etc etc etc :)
[09:07] <davmor2> persia: it just acts as a second layer of testing to the main batch :)
[09:07] <persia> Then not having dailies is a good thing for that :)
[09:09] <davmor2> persia: it makes no odds you can spot flaws that fixes have introduced etc
[09:10] <persia> davmor2: That's why we upload stuff : it generates bugs, and they can get reported, and triaged, and fixed, and we can have an upload.  A self-fufilling cycle, that keeps everyone happy and occupied :)
[09:10] <davmor2> persia: The sad thing I believe you :)
[09:11] <persia> davmor2: The only flaw is that sometimes a piece of software stops generating bugs, but there's always new software to add, to keep up the cycle.
[09:13] <davmor2> persia: No you have it all wrong the base package might of stop generating bugs but it's at that point that devs add a new key feature or plugin that breaks the base package again :)
[09:14] <persia> No, that's a well behaved functioning package.  My problem is with the ones where the developers stop adding features and users stop reporting bugs.
[09:14] <persia> These packages don't contribute to the free software ecosystem anymore.
[09:14] <persia> They just work :/
[09:15] <davmor2> persia: aren't those the packages that are simply no longer support because something newer came along :D
[09:15] <persia> WIth luck they might get old enough that nobody remembers how they work, and someone is tempted to touch them, but there's usually one or two people who prevent that happy state by keeping it up to date.
[09:15] <persia> That's the best way to deal with them: by replacing them with new buggy software, we can keep everyone involved :)
[09:19] <davmor2> gnome-vfs gvfs/gio for example :D
[10:06] <davmor2> cjwatson just posted this link which maybe of interest here too :) http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/
[10:43] <davmor2> I've just done all the vista updates and am resaving the partitions.  15.85 GB for vista and nearly 2 gig for system partition so nearly 20gig total
[10:52] <ara> am I the only one that thinks that bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/260492 is extremely annoying?
[10:52] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 260492 in nautilus "opening a directory using an application change associations incorrectly" [Medium,Triaged]
[10:53] <ara> thanks the workaround works pretty well
[10:56] <persia> Unfortunately, that's a complicated one.  Someone ought sit down and sort out the four or five different ways file types and open hints are done now, and push towards a unified solution.
[11:04] <davmor2> anyone running intrepid
[11:04] <davmor2> ubuntu
[11:05] <afflux> is that a question? yes, amd64 here.
[11:06] <davmor2> afflux: have you installed any n-m-(vpn solutions)
[11:06] <afflux> davmor2: network-manager-openvpn is installed
[11:06] <davmor2> :( you can't confirm my bug then :(
[11:07] <afflux> I can remove it if you want ;)
[11:07] <davmor2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/277496
[11:07] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 277496 in network-manager-applet "Intrepid: Network-Manager should document additional packages are required to enable VPN" [Undecided,New]
[11:07] <davmor2> afflux: ^
[11:07] <afflux> looking
[11:08] <afflux> confirmed
[11:08] <davmor2> ta :)
[11:09] <afflux> will add a comment in a minute
[11:09] <davmor2> ta
[11:10] <afflux> woohoo. Didn't notice the vpn thing from NM does work now. Didn't work one or two months ago.
[11:13] <davmor2> no I was check stuff out in general when I got the issue of not being able to click on add :)
[11:14] <afflux> yep
[11:15] <afflux> when installed, the connection works for me now. I like it ;)
[11:15] <davmor2> afflux: :)
[11:15] <afflux> comment added
[11:57] <davmor2> Has anyone had an success burning a video project in brasero?
[12:02] <ara> davmor2: I haven't tried
[12:03] <davmor2> I can't get it to work at all I've added all the packages that the docs ask for but nothing :(
[12:04] <ara> but, definitely it is something nontrivial in ubuntu due to the licenses issue
[12:07] <persia> Shouldn't be.  There oughtn't be a license problem *creating* a DVD, only extracting an encrypted one.
[12:10] <davmor2> I'm trying to burn a copy of progbox which I'm sure won't be an issue for testing purposes.  However it goes so far through the process and the burn button doesn't highlight again so you can't burn it :(
[12:15] <persia> Is the source protected or encrypted?
[12:16] <davmor2> no standard divx
[12:16] <davmor2> dixv/avi
[12:17] <davmor2> http://www.progbox.co.uk/site/ it's by pete savage the guy that created the intro music for Ubuntu :)
[12:17] <popey> the _old_ intro music :(
[12:17] <popey> shame it changed IMO
[12:18] <davmor2> popey: it ain't has it or am I dreaming?
[12:18] <popey> i get a different tune now
[12:18] <davmor2> search ubuntu podcast for the episode
[12:18] <popey> as someone said "it sounds like the end of level in prince of persia"
[12:18] <popey> it has changed in intrepid
[12:19] <persia> Hmm.  No idea then.  Pete doesn't tend to make his stuff too inaccessible.
[12:23] <davmor2> persia: That's why I went for it :)
[12:27] <davmor2> popey: I still hear the same music on the intrepid install :P
[12:28] <popey> hmm, odd
[12:28] <davmor2> popey: there is a bug about some people getting the freedesktop tune
[12:28] <popey> hit me!
[12:29] <popey> (with the bug number) :)
[12:29]  * davmor2 hits popey
[12:29] <davmor2> 2 ticks
[12:36] <davmor2> popey: meh can't find the bug but found the convo with muso
[12:36] <davmor2> 13:38TheMusodavmor2: I think its more random than that. Most of the time when I log in I get the Ubuntu one, but occasionally I get the freedesktop theme.
[12:36] <davmor2> 13:38TheMusoBut thats only eover for the login sound. It has something to do with the gconf key for the theme not being loaded by the time it has to play.
[12:37] <davmor2> and
[12:37] <davmor2> 13:25davmor2TheMuso: has the login music in ubutnu been changed?
[12:37] <davmor2>  13:26TheMusodavmor2: No, its just that there are two themes, the freedesktop theme and the ubuntu one, and there seems to be a weird bug where sometimes the ubuntu one is not used.
[12:38] <davmor2> I felt sure he gave me a bug number for it meh
[12:44]  * davmor2 gives in can't find it :(
[12:44] <davmor2> so writes one to be sure :)
[12:51] <davmor2> popey: goto System->Preferences->Sound Preferences and you can hear the 2 Ubuntu has pete's default is the freedesktop version
[12:55] <mazzen> hi! just for the case, that someone is here who has edit access to http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/beta. the links for the mirrors points still to 8.04.1
[13:00] <davmor2> mazzen: I've pasted the info onto the release team
[13:01] <mazzen> davmor2: thanks
[13:02] <ara> I am still having a lot of issues regarding localization of the different *buntu builds. can anyone try this: install kubuntu in a lang other than English, but without iNet connection. The language pack is not installed (i guess is not in the cd). Restart, everything in English. Fix the inet connection. Go to language settings and click on Install Language. Only English appears on the list of possible languages
[13:04] <davmor2> Riddell: ^
[13:08] <Riddell> ara: yeah, I need to look into that for kubuntu, it's high up on my todo list
[13:09] <ara> Riddell: thanks, localization is not working very well in Kubuntu...
[15:06] <mazzen>  hmm.... i just tried the 8.10 live cd and i got a black screen. all i could see was the mouse pointer, which was very slow. i have an ati mobility radeon 9700, which should be a very rare card, or?
[15:12] <davmor2_lunch> mazzen: I'm not sure what to say.  You got a mouse pointer so x is up.  only other thing to try is alt-ctrl-F2 and see if you get console login which would mean there was an issue with the driver.
[15:12] <davmor2_lunch> mazzen: try run in safe mode graphics
[15:15] <mazzen> davmor2_lunch: i guess it is the driver. when i upgraded von 8.04.1 to 8.10 aplha5 everything worked proper, until i rebooted. after that i had to use the vesa drivers instead of the free ati driver.
[15:16] <mazzen> i showed my log files to #xorg and#ubuntu+1, but they couldn't find anything :-(
[15:17] <davmor2_lunch> mazzen: bug report it.
[15:18] <mazzen> davmor2_lunch: ok, i'll do, after i try to boot it again. maybe i can find another information.
[16:03] <cowboyd> howdy folks. qq: I've got a new laptop, and thinking of installing the beta and helping with the testing. My question is, what type of upgrade process (if any) will there be once the release comes out?
[16:03] <davmor2> update from update manager that's it
[16:05] <cowboyd> sweet, that's what I wanted to hear. no need to change the apt sources or anything like that?
[16:05] <davmor2> cowboyd: no the repo's will already be setup for intrepid
[16:06] <cowboyd> ok then, I'll give it a shot. thanks
[16:58] <Visitor> hi
[16:58] <Visitor> I found some minor things on the latest beta livecd. can I drop it here or should I file a bug per item
[17:08] <mhenley> hi, i installed intrepid a few nights ago on my new acer aspire one netbook using a usb key and the installation went very smooth
[17:09] <mhenley> once i had updated the packages, the wireless started working with no help from me
[17:10] <mhenley> the one thing i don't understand is that I have to enter the code for the wire WEP security every time i start up... I understand this should be handled by a keyring using seahorse and i have created a keyring but it doesnt seem to work
[17:10] <mhenley> is this a bug or am i doing something wrong?
[17:14] <Visitor> maybe you can check the keyring itself in system, prefs, encryption and keyrings
[17:15] <mhenley> i did that and created a new keyring
[17:15] <Visitor> hm, I'm running a liveCD so no keyring for me... but you could remove the old one
[17:15] <Visitor> oh... :)
[17:16] <mhenley> on my home computer i run gentoo but never use keyring since i don't need wireless (with its looong password)
[17:27] <mhenley> any suggestions or pointers to howto's?  usually ubutu just works for little things like that
[17:27] <mhenley> sorry.. ubuntu
[17:52] <mib_rjshf4> hi guys
[17:52] <mib_rjshf4> what are the appropriate MLs to subscribe when testing a dev version?
[17:52] <mib_rjshf4> e.g., being warned in advance if a libc6 breakage happens again ^^
[17:55] <mib_rjshf4> ok, assuming ubuntu-dev && ubuntu-devel-discuss


[01:40] <MaynardWaters> hey, anyone interested in helping me get my sound back?
[01:40] <MaynardWaters> im on ubuntu 11.04
[01:40] <MaynardWaters> I have tried to upgrade, but it keeps telling me that some of the software failed to upgrade
[01:42] <SunStar> backup your /home folder and perform a clean install? (sorry, lil too busy to give actual help)
[02:13] <OvenWerks> MaynardWaters: ubuntu 11.04? As in vanilla ubuntu? (or desktop I guess)
[02:13] <OvenWerks> Need more info though.
[02:14] <OvenWerks> 11.04 upgrade to what?
[02:15] <OvenWerks> ubuntustudio is not meant to be upgraded from 11.04 or less to 11.10 and up
[02:18] <OvenWerks> You might retry from a VT (ctl-alt-F1) while at the login screen... but that may fail too.
[02:20] <OvenWerks> boot up rescue - mount rw - connect network - go to commandline and upgrade? might work.
[02:23] <OvenWerks> one thing for sure, your desktop settings will be lost.
[02:34] <MaynardWaters> it is vanilla.
[02:34] <MaynardWaters> whatever the next natural upgrade is. I think it would be 12.0
[02:35] <MaynardWaters> no big deal on the desktop settings, might try the VT at a later time
[02:35] <MaynardWaters> off to bed for now. will continue again tomorrow
[03:54] <marie_phare> hello
[03:55] <marie_phare> i just installed ubuntu studio
[03:55] <holstein> congrats
[03:55] <marie_phare> so, well, that's it for now.
[03:55] <marie_phare> :) thanks
[03:56] <marie_phare> Is that exactly ubuntu + extra software or it's totally different?
[03:56] <smartboyhw> Hello marie_phare
[03:56] <marie_phare> hello smartboyhw
[03:56] <holstein> ubuntustudio *is* ubuntu
[03:57] <marie_phare> tks
[03:57] <smartboyhw> Hey holstein
[03:58] <holstein> smartboyhw: yo
[04:04] <marie_phare> ok i'll be back
[04:04] <marie_phare> thanks
[20:47] <studio-user769> Will Ubu 13.04 support bcm 4312 outof box?
[20:49] <xequence> studio-user769: What's bcm?
[20:49] <xequence> studio-user769: Best way to find out is to create an installation medium, and live the live OS
[20:50] <xequence> run the live os
[20:50] <Unit193> studio-user769: Due to the nature of those firmware blobs, no.
[20:50] <Unit193> !bcm
[20:50] <studio-user769> o i c. bcm is broadcom wifi
[20:50] <xequence> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/SupportedHardware
[20:51] <xequence> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[20:51] <Unit193> Though whatever my netbook has strangely did work.
[20:52] <xequence> Don't think all broadcom devices need to be non functional
[20:52] <xequence> on Debian they won't work, since the kernel is 100%, but you can add the non-free stuff later
[20:52] <xequence> on Ubuntu, a lot of non-free stuff is already included in the kernel
[20:53] <xequence> 100% free, I meant to say, about the Debian kernel
[20:53] <xequence> studio-user769: Have you gotten that device to work before with any Linux distro?


[04:39] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:12] <ducasse> morning all
[07:00] <lordievader> Good morning.
[12:06] <BluesKaj> Heyas all
[18:04] <nacc> dang, nRy2 promised to leave, and then people started talking to them again
[18:04] <daftykins> summon the ops
[18:05] <nacc> daftykins: yeah, it might be time again
[18:05] <daftykins> what's this one up to?
[18:06] <nacc> wanting support for Intel RST, but not really responding to anyone's responses
[18:06] <nacc> stating one thing, then arguing they did not say it even when quoted directly back to them :)
[18:06] <daftykins> oh that's just #freenode support seekers in general :P "i have a question but i won't actually take any of the advice"
[18:07] <nacc> heh
[18:10] <Bashing-om> Just more niose to tolerate.
[21:26] <Bashing-om> Away for a bit .
[22:44] <Bashing-om> back ..
[22:44] <EriC^^> welcome back :)
[22:47] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: I see EriC^^ you have had a tough time of it. You have been kept occupied .
[22:47] <EriC^^> yeah :D
[22:49] <daftykins> ^_^ problem user eh?
[22:55] <Bashing-om> Naw .. he is easy to work with .. just mentally challenged with testdisk and photorec; trying to recover his data .
[22:56] <daftykins> ah, perhaps even the best go loopy when their data is in question :)
[22:56] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Quilty ! - in the past ... I did learn .. 3 backups !
[22:57] <daftykins> :D
[23:20] <nacc> tgm4883: good luck.
[23:21] <tgm4883> nacc: I'm passively dealing with this. I'm playing kerbal space program on steam on my second monitor
[23:21] <nacc> heh
[23:22]  * nacc goes back to unbreaking another 16.04 php package in universe
[23:23] <daftykins> o0
[23:24]  * nacc did the migration from php5 to php7
[23:24] <nacc> most things worked -- not everything did :)
[23:28] <nacc> tgm4883: lol
[23:34] <tgm4883> nacc: so I'm thinking we walk him through removing those other packages and the repo, deleting ~/.steam and then installing the package from the main repos
[23:34] <tgm4883> although we really need an lspci
[23:35] <nacc> tgm4883: yeah, that should get steam itself working
[23:35] <nacc> tgm4883: lspci eventually for sound, probably, yeah :)
[23:35] <tgm4883> nacc: yea I was hoping sound and video card
[23:36] <nacc> tgm4883: ah good point, forgot there was also a video issue
[23:36] <nacc> tgm4883: looks like they may need multiverse enabled too
[23:36] <daftykins> which bit for?
[23:36] <nacc> steam
[23:36] <daftykins> !info steam
[23:36] <daftykins> right y'are
[23:37] <daftykins> ah you guys remind me of the fun of problem solving, but due to ban, no more
[23:38]  * nacc is sort of curious what got you banned :)
[23:41] <Ben64> "!guidelines"
[23:41] <tgm4883> daftykins: all I see is that you found a way out ;)
[23:42] <nacc> Ben64: thanks
[23:43] <daftykins> nacc: guy was in there for like a week with problems, saw us helping others and only a week in decided to tell us it was non-final the release he was on
[23:43] <daftykins> naturally i called him the idiot he was and BAM no more me
[23:43] <daftykins> tgm4883: i think you're right there ;)
[23:44] <nacc> daftykins: ah :/
[23:45] <nacc> lol
[23:45] <nacc> now the keyboard isn't working
[23:45] <Ben64> definitely a way out
[23:45] <Ben64> keyboard not working
[23:45] <Ben64> sound not working
[23:45] <Ben64> steam not working
[23:45] <Ben64> video not working
[23:45] <Ben64> anything else?
[23:45] <daftykins> sounds like an average day ;)
[23:46] <daftykins> if that's a gaming laptop that should be running Windows like it came with, that'd be the full set!
[23:47] <Ben64> well that was a waste of everything
[23:47] <nacc> Ben64: completely
[23:47] <daftykins> what happened?
 this doesn't happen with mac os x or windows
[23:47]  * tgm4883 goes to lookup what daftykins did to get banned so he can do the same
[23:48] <Ben64> says the guy who almost assuredly has never installed windows fresh
[23:48] <nacc> lol
[23:48] <Ben64> seriously have any of you installed windows from cd
[23:48] <Ben64> its frustrating as hell
[23:48] <daftykins> is... is it a mac!?
[23:48] <nacc> once, long ago
[23:48] <OerHeks> i have a fresh sealed 95 ..
[23:48] <daftykins> what do you mean? the installer since 7 has been super easy
[23:48] <Ben64> of course a computer comes set up and working fine with windows from the manufacturer
[23:48] <Ben64> you still need to hunt down drivers everywhere
[23:48] <daftykins> oh you just mean driver hell?
[23:48] <tgm4883> I've installed windows 8.1 and previous from CD. Windows 10 via ISO to a VM
[23:48] <daftykins> nah not with 8 and 10 anymore, as it goes
[23:49] <Ben64> i'm sure it'll happen there too
[23:49] <tgm4883> it's no more frustrating that installing Ubuntu
[23:49] <daftykins> they've developed a habit of everything being published to Windows Update, so with 10 you no longer have to install anything
[23:49] <tgm4883> except the post install updates
[23:49] <Ben64> much more frustrating than ubuntu
[23:49] <daftykins> nah i'm dead serious, once you get a 10 install online it grabs everything off WU and then it's done - nothing to do
[23:49] <Ben64> ubuntu you need to get graphics and usually thats it
[23:49] <Ben64> daftykins: unless it doesn't have the network driver
[23:50] <daftykins> *nod* only very new stuff lacks that though
[23:50] <nacc> lol
[23:50] <Ben64> so annoying
[23:50] <nacc> "< Valkyrie115> I had sound driver issues in Windows 10 as well"
[23:50] <daftykins> but that's one versus all of them as it used to be
[23:50] <nacc> i thought windows was perfect :)
[23:50] <Ben64> oh damn he came back
[23:50] <dax> my Windows 10 USB stick has network drivers for the relevant cards on it now thanks to that
[23:50] <tgm4883> daftykins: to be fair, that's usually the issue with Linux driver support as well. Only really new stuff
[23:50] <daftykins> seriously is it a mac?
[23:50] <OerHeks> most of my 54 mbit wlan adapters work OOTB, and have saved my day more than once
[23:50] <dax> but yeah, once you bootstrap that Windows Update tends to be able to do most of the rest
[23:50] <daftykins> tgm4883: *nod* and pesky manufacturers that break standards etc
[23:51] <daftykins> the truth never told is that all OSs suck, we just pick the one we mind cleaning up the mess of the least
[23:51] <Ben64> back to sound issue i guess?
[23:51] <Ben64> dude can't focus on one thing
[23:53] <nacc> daftykins: absoutely, it's all tradeoffs in different directions
[23:53] <nacc> daftykins: easiest thing these days is to research your hardware if possible and buy something that needs the least tweaking :)
[23:54] <daftykins> yip yip, although everywheres so full of old info it can be a struggle
[23:54] <tgm4883> nacc: daftykins since I've been doing that, I've had 0 issues that I can recall
[23:54] <nacc> daftykins: yeah, that's absolutely the truth of it now, so much outofdate stuff
[23:54] <OerHeks> issue-jumpers ...
[23:58] <tgm4883> it's a good thing I don't have OP in #ubuntu
[23:58] <daftykins> truth be told i miss being in there to keep current, not that i use or even support Linux distros in meatspace :)
[23:58]  * tgm4883 goes back to building a space station
[23:59] <dax> Kerbal?


[02:03] <alexandros_c> amyone. having text corruption on ubuntugnome 13.10?
[12:08] <Uallas> Hi all. Have a nice day!
[13:05] <thebox> Hi
[13:06] <thebox> Please can you help me to setting up two monitor using Ubuntu Gnome ?
[13:06] <thebox> is possible to have panel and poupup notify in all monitor?
[13:19] <cyberalex4life> check mutter settings
[13:19] <cyberalex4life> in dconf-editor
[13:20] <cyberalex4life> open dconf then Ctrl+F then type mutter
[13:20] <cyberalex4life> or search with monitor through all settings
[16:03] <alexandros_c> good day can anyone tell me how to fix font corruption?
[18:33] <Zeklandia> Hello
[18:34] <Zeklandia> Is anyone here?
[18:34] <gonyere> hi zeklandia
[18:34] <Zeklandia> Hello
[18:34] <Zeklandia> For some reason, my GDM is not starting automatically
[18:34] <Zeklandia> I have to start it manually with # start gdm
[18:35] <gonyere> so when you boot you drop to a command prompt?
[18:37] <Zeklandia> I hit CTRL + ALT + F1
[18:37] <Zeklandia> and log in as root
[18:37] <Zeklandia> then run start gdm
[18:37] <Zeklandia> and switch back to TTY7
[18:38] <gonyere> er... ok... why not simply login at the login screen?
[18:38] <Zeklandia> it doesn;t come up
[18:38] <Zeklandia> that's the problem
[18:38] <Zeklandia> GDM is not starting
[18:38] <Zeklandia> I have to start it
[18:38] <Zeklandia> there are no errors
[18:38] <gonyere> ahh, what version are you running?
[18:39] <Zeklandia> 14.04 with GDM 3.11.2
[18:39] <gonyere> are you running the gnome3-team ppa's or rcotz-testing?
[18:39] <Zeklandia> gnome3-team
[18:39] <gonyere> have you tried sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[18:40] <gonyere> sounds like your missing something
[18:40] <Zeklandia> I have, everything is fine
[18:41] <Zeklandia> no package issues or anything
[18:41] <gonyere> i'd try installing ppa-purge then and removing gnome3-staging (which should drop you down a version or two for gdm)
[18:42] <Zeklandia> I am using the staging PPA
[18:42] <gonyere> right, so stop - and drop your versions down to whatevers in gnome3/gnome3-next
[18:43] <gonyere> or try re-installing gdm - sudo apt-get install --reinstall gdm
[18:43] <Zeklandia> I just reinstalled, no difference
[18:44] <Zeklandia> And I don't see the package gdm in the gnome3-next ppa
[18:44] <gonyere> its probably not, which means you'd drop back to whatevers in gnome3 or even the standard ubuntu repo's
[18:44] <gonyere> which is likely 3.8
[18:45] <Zeklandia> some of the packages I have require GDM >= 3.10
[18:45] <gonyere> try sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[18:52] <Zeklandia> Didn't fix it
[18:53] <Zeklandia> I think this is just one of those upstream bugs that gets fixed the minute before release
[18:53] <gonyere> hmm idk, it seems like other people have had similar problems int he past
[18:53] <gonyere> though there's nothing super recent, go ahead an report it on bugzilla
[18:54] <Zeklandia> alright
[18:54] <Zeklandia> thanks for the help though!
[18:54] <Zeklandia> bye!
[18:54] <gonyere> you could perhaps try installing lightdm and see if that'll at least let you login
[21:39] <haruto> Hi
[21:40] <Noskcaj> hey haruto
[21:41] <haruto>  how install ubuntugnome in gnome3.10 polish language, i download and install language in repo, but not view polish language in setting ?
[21:42] <haruto> not view language list http://www.editer.pl/publikuj/cf863834b41fc292d278d90d13787f83_1.jpg/
[21:42] <Noskcaj> Just open gnome-language-selector
[21:44] <haruto> not worked, view http://www.editer.pl/publikuj/537f412160f08683d38f50dc44754684_1.jpg/
[21:45] <haruto>  locale
[21:45] <haruto> LANG=en_US.UTF-8
[21:45] <haruto> LANGUAGE=en
[21:45] <haruto> LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8"
[21:45] <haruto> LC_NUMERIC=pl_PL.UTF-8
[21:45] <haruto> LC_TIME=pl_PL.UTF-8
[21:45] <haruto> LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF-8"
[21:45] <haruto> LC_MONETARY=pl_PL.UTF-8
[21:45] <haruto> LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF-8"
[21:45] <haruto> LC_PAPER=pl_PL.UTF-8
[21:45] <haruto> LC_NAME=pl_PL.UTF-8
[21:45] <haruto> LC_ADDRESS=pl_PL.UTF-8
[21:45] <haruto> LC_TELEPHONE=pl_PL.UTF-8
[21:45] <haruto> LC_MEASUREMENT=pl_PL.UTF-8
[21:45] <haruto> LC_IDENTIFICATION=pl_PL.UTF-8
[21:45] <haruto> LC_ALL=
[21:47] <haruto> How adding pl language ?
[21:50] <haruto> it is bug ?
[21:54] <SonikkuAmerica> Are you still in gnome-language-selector ?
[21:56] <haruto> yes added polish language and deleted english language , but not worked
[21:56] <SonikkuAmerica> OK, did you reboot?
[21:56] <haruto> yes, yesterday
[21:57] <SonikkuAmerica> Did you reboot when you selected Polski as your language?
[21:57] <haruto> Yes
[21:57] <haruto> but not worked
[21:58] <haruto> I was looking for solutions, but does not work
[21:59] <SonikkuAmerica> And you clicked "Apply System-Wide"?
[21:59] <haruto> yes
[22:00] <SonikkuAmerica> And you edited your locale file to read pl_PL.UTF8 and "LANGUAGE=pl" and rebooted?
[22:02] <haruto> This edited the file because it was empty, but it did not work
[22:03] <haruto> i;m edited sudo gedit /etc/locale.conf
[22:03] <haruto>  and sudo gedit /etc/locale.conf
[22:04] <haruto> past in file LANG="pl_PL.UTF-8"
[22:15] <haruto> so it is bug yes
[22:18] <haruto> heh
[22:19] <haruto> where find help ?
[22:20] <haruto> gnome chanell ?
[22:20] <haruto> *channel ?
[22:23] <Noskcaj> haruto, try #ubuntu
[22:25] <haruto> ok
[22:36] <haruto> look ubuntu not help,