[20:33] <wally> compilerwriter: if you're *really* happy to go with it, there are instructions here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[20:33] <wally> compilerwriter: you can do it with the "restricted hardware" or "hardware drivers" app, just select "nvidia-drivers" or whatever it's labelled and Kubuntu *should* do the rest
[20:33] <noren> compilerwriter: what was the prob again...
[20:33] <wally> then you should have nvidia-settings, which is a nice little tool.
[20:33] <wally> compilerwriter: but listen to noren, he knows a lot :)
[20:34] <wally> toodles peeps, ttyl
[20:35] <compilerwriter> noren I had to shutdown my box because of a power failure.  I was running on temporary backup power.  When the power came back.  I brought the machine up and it for some reason defaulted to 800X600.  I don't know why.
[20:35] <noren> is this a fresh install and did u installed the nvidia drivers before
[20:36] <compilerwriter> That is the highest resolution setting I can find from any of my system menus.  wally was going to walk me through installing nvidia I guess.
[20:37] <compilerwriter> This is an updated install from a long time ago.  I had installed the nvidia drivers before I thought as I had 1280X 1040 or something similar fro quite some time noren.
[20:37] <noren> compilerwriter:
[20:37] <noren> oops
[20:37] <noren> !nvidia
[20:38] <BluesKaj> compilerwriter , check in adept which nvidia drivers listed match your card
[20:39] <ofv> using Kubuntu 8.10 / KDE 4.2.1, KDE desktop and KDE apps reacts *very* slowly to mouse clicks, although keyboard works okay.
[20:39] <attilacyilmazlar> noren: thank you for your time I got the package it was "kdeaddons" :)
[20:39] <XThief> how can i see the temperature of my  graphic card??
[20:40] <noren> compilerwriter: sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings
[20:40] <noren> attilacyilmazlar: ok
[20:41] <noren> XThief: check out the widget therres one for temperaturre
[20:41] <XThief> noren: in kubuntu?
[20:42] <noren> XThief: yes
[20:42] <XThief> noren: i dont see it
[20:42] <noren> compilerwriter: did u get that
[20:43] <compilerwriter> I got it noren I was trying to deal with a few programs that got fired off because of the resolution problems.
[20:44] <noren> compilerwriter: then prob solved
[20:44] <compilerwriter> Lancelot is really good about eliminating clicks, but when things are not displaying properly you end up accidently firing off programs you did not intend to.
[20:46] <compilerwriter> I have it installed now what noren?
[20:46] <noren> now sudo nvidia-settings
[20:47] <compilerwriter> I don't appear to be using the nvidia X driver it tells me.  duh
[20:47] <compilerwriter> should I do the nvidia xconfig thing it suggests noren.
[20:48] <SDFEover9000> I want to install kubuntu on a drive that is clean, but the data drive has a rootkit on it, what should i do? :D
[20:48] <noren> yes; it must be suggesting some missing package
[20:48] <SDFEover9000> its a windows rootkit
[20:48] <noren> !info rootkit
[20:48] <noren> !rootkit
[20:48] <SDFEover9000> i'm sure it will be harmless, but is there a way to rid myself of it without wiping the drive
[20:49] <SDFEover9000> the data drive has no OS, its just an ntfsa drive
[20:49] <wally[wiiing]> noren: does the restricted drivers dialogue not do all that?
[20:49] <SDFEover9000> NTFS*
[20:49] <noren> wally[wiiing]: what happened
[20:50] <SDFEover9000> also, is 8gb big enough drive for the OS?
[20:50] <peace> hey what's the name of adept
[20:50] <SDFEover9000> i have an 8gb and a 160gb
[20:50] <wally[wiiing]> noren: I mean does selecting "nvidia" in the restricted drivers dialogue not handle installing nvidia-settings etc?
[20:50] <peace> on kde4?
[20:50] <peace> adept?
[20:50] <SDFEover9000> 160gb is data 8gb is OS
[20:50] <peace> SDFEover9000: it's fine
[20:50] <peace> SDFEover9000: but a bit smal
[20:50] <SDFEover9000> i know
[20:50] <noren> wally[wiiing]: u gotta get it separately
[20:50] <SDFEover9000> i am going to put asmuch temp on data as i can
[20:50] <wally[wiiing]> noren: ok
[20:51] <SDFEover9000> i jsut need to keep os seperate from data
[20:51] <peace> SDFEover9000: i mean , i have used 9 gig and it was fine and i have isntalled every stuff for video editing
[20:51] <SDFEover9000> i will need kubuntu and audio/static art stuff
[20:51] <SDFEover9000> system stuff
[20:51] <SDFEover9000> art program is on data drive :P
[20:52] <SDFEover9000> and all the materials etc
[20:52] <peace> SDFEover9000: whatever .... usually shold be fine 5 6 gig
[20:52] <SDFEover9000> ok
[20:52] <compilerwriter> noren I did the apt-get and ran nvidia-xconfig as suggested here is the output of that command http://paste.ubuntu.com/129519/
[20:52] <noren> SDFEover9000: min u got to have 6gb to be on the saffer side
[20:52] <peace> Sixofour: if you want be carefull you should use 10
[20:52] <Sixofour> now iirc kde4 is still lagfest, so what is the name of the kubuntu with 3.5 on it?
[20:52] <Sixofour> peace the drive is only 8 gb
[20:53] <Sixofour> its not a partitions, its a seperate peice of hardware
[20:53] <peace> single: if you don't plan to install every sick software it should be ok
[20:53]  * wally[wiiing] feels nvidia driver installation leaves something to be desired :(
[20:54] <Sixofour> video driver stuff on linux always leaves something to be desired
[20:54]  * compilerwriter agrees with wally
[20:56] <wally[wiiing]> Sixofour: indeed :(
[20:56] <peace> Sixofour: well i am on kubuntu 9.04 and i use kdenlive like a charm
[20:56] <noren> compilerwriter: lspci | grep -i nvidia << what does this says
[20:56] <Sixofour> kdenlive?
[20:56] <Sixofour> ive not been in the linux world for a year or so..refresh my memory?
[20:56] <Sixofour> i just remember kde4 was horribly slow
[20:57] <noren> also : lsmod | grep nvidia << output  of this
[20:57] <Sixofour> and my system is ahrdly crap, 3200+ amd, 2.5gb ram, 512 nvidia 7300 gs
[20:57] <Sixofour> hardly*
[20:57] <Sixofour> 2.0ghz amd*
[20:57] <gabbah> on http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2 it says "3.  Old Plasma packages are not compatible with KDE 4.2, you should uninstall any plasmoids.". Assuming I have a freshly installed .10 kubuntu, do i need to remove any plasmoids? if so, how do I go about that?
[20:57] <wally[wiiing]> Sixofour: haha, I've spent so long using terminals on remote datacentres, anything graphical is such a joy!
[20:57] <wally[wiiing]> Sixofour: kde3.4 was soooo nice
[20:57] <compilerwriter> noren nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 420] (rev a3)
[20:57] <noren> gabbah: no its ok even i installed frm a fresh install
[20:58] <DaSkreech> gabbah: you remove plasmoids that you installed. That plasmoids that ship with KDE will all be replaced
[20:58]  * Sixofour is afk a second
[20:58] <wally[wiiing]> compilerwriter: what a card! I have one of those laying around at home.  Couldn't bring myself to part with it :(
[20:58] <gabbah> what about koffice stuff?
[20:58] <gabbah> DaSkreech, ok, thanks!
[20:58] <noren> DaSkreech: hey there
[20:58] <DaSkreech> hi noren
[20:59] <noren> compilerwriter: lsmod | grep nvidia
[21:00]  * Sixofour is back
[21:00] <Sixofour> so yeah
[21:00] <compilerwriter> noren all I got was new prompt when I ran that command.
[21:00] <Sixofour> i'
[21:00] <Sixofour> ll just get kubuntu recent and see how kde4 is
[21:00] <compilerwriter> Wally are you monitoring irc on the wii or just close to your monitor?
[21:00] <Sixofour> if it sucks i can always downgvrade
[21:00] <noren> DaSkreech: how to reboot the router frm the CLI
[21:01] <Sixofour> but i have one more question
[21:01] <gabbah> DaSkreech, the weird thing is, i had an (almost) newly installed kubuntu 8.10 64 bit, and did the upgrade to kde4.2.... and then when i restared X with ctrl alt backspace, i was ruthlessly slung into a black and cold commandline, and could never start up x again. couldn't even find a trace of xorg.cong in /etc/X11
[21:01] <Sixofour> can kubuntu use an ntfs drive?
[21:01] <wally[wiiing]> Sixofour: yes
[21:01] <noren> compilerwriter:  that meaans you dont have the nvidia driver installed
[21:01] <Sixofour> or can it change my drive without deleteing everything
[21:01] <Sixofour> the latter would be better
[21:01] <DaSkreech> noren: The router? how did you get into the router from the CLI ?
[21:02] <wally[wiiing]> Sixofour: you can install on to a NTFS drive alongside windows, which is slower
[21:02] <Sixofour> no no
[21:02] <Sixofour> i have two drives
[21:02] <wally[wiiing]> mmhmm
[21:02] <Sixofour> one will be reformated, tis 8mb, but the data drive is ntfs
[21:02] <noren> Sixofour: yes you can use ntfs
[21:02] <Sixofour> 8gb*
[21:02] <Sixofour> but can i change the ntfs drive to something else without deleteing the data?
[21:02] <DaSkreech> gabbah: looking in the wrong plpce you shuld be looking in ~/.xsessions-erros
[21:02] <noren> DaSkreech: i meant dsl router /modem
[21:02] <wally[wiiing]> Sixofour: I don't know, from an educated guess I would say no
[21:03] <compilerwriter> Well how in blazes was I getting things done in higher resolutions before then noren?  But more importantly how do I get nvidia drivers installed.
[21:03] <wally[wiiing]> Sixofour: you'd have to copy the data off and reformat, copy it back on
[21:03] <DaSkreech> I know. you are on the router in the CLI or you want to get to the Webpage there from the Cli ?
[21:03] <Sixofour> yeah
[21:03] <Sixofour> too many GeeBees for that
[21:03] <gabbah> DaSkreech, realy? has it always been like that?? before i always played with xorg in etc...
[21:04] <DaSkreech> gabbah: Yes that's where the config is but to find out what is throwing you to deep blackness look in the error log
[21:04] <Sixofour> i'll be back when i get kubuntu installed
[21:04] <Sixofour> i am sure i will ahve questions lol
[21:04] <Sixofour> ifnact i think i already ahve kubuntu cd
[21:04] <Sixofour> what is latest version?
[21:04] <DaSkreech> gabbah: Xorg has had the fantastic idea to deprecate the Xorg.conf
[21:04] <DaSkreech> 8.10
[21:04] <gabbah> DaSkreech, yes but that's the thing, /etc/X11 didn't have xorg.conf, it had nothing xorg
[21:04] <Sixofour> i ahve kubuntu 7.10
[21:05] <Sixofour> upgrading shouldn;'t take long should it?
[21:05] <DaSkreech> gabbah: Yes xorg has kinda deprecated it
[21:05] <Sixofour> or require alot of space
[21:05] <DaSkreech> !fixres
[21:05] <gabbah> DaSkreech, hmmok :P
[21:05] <DaSkreech> You can do that ^^^ to regenerate your xorg.conf
[21:05] <noren> compilerwriter: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[21:05] <DaSkreech> Sixofour: depends on your net connection
[21:05] <Sixofour> well,i can download kubuntu in an hour lol
[21:06] <Sixofour> i think that is afst enough
[21:06] <attilacyilmazlar> Sixofour: I suggest you to download 8.10
[21:06] <noren> DaSkreech: my prob is typical!! sometimes my knetwork manager dies on me and i m unable to connect to network . to fix that i have to rebbot the system, so i was loking for a way around
[21:06] <Sixofour> yeah but that means another cd to burn :D
[21:07] <Sixofour> wow i have a  knoppix version 1 cd
[21:07] <Sixofour> screw it i'll dl kubuntu again
[21:07] <Sixofour> less hassl;e later
[21:08] <noren> compilerwriter: and if u want to fix it the way it was before u can reboot into recovery mode thers an option to fix the display it will get back the old settings
[21:09]  * Sixofour is getting kubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso
[21:09] <gabbah> DaSkreech, doing the update now... i have a strong feeling i will soon be in a dark place, namely when i restart... :/
[21:09] <DaSkreech> Sixofour: it takes a little longer to upgrade than to download the CD but it's less hassle
[21:09] <DaSkreech> gabbah: ok
[21:09] <DaSkreech> Do you know how to get here with no GUI?
[21:09] <Sixofour> this download is esitmated at an hour and 30 minutes
[21:09] <gabbah> DaSkreech, yep, got an error on update
[21:10] <gabriel> so
[21:10] <Sixofour> heh my program registry is going to be facked
[21:10] <Sixofour> is there a way to copy my registry then load it back into wine?
[21:10] <gabriel> DaSkreech:
[21:10] <gabriel> APT Error. Context:
[21:10] <gabriel>     Package download failed,
[21:10] <gabriel>     http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/libi/libical/libical0_0.33-1_amd64.deb: 404 Not Found
[21:11] <gabriel> in adept package manager
[21:11] <wally[wiiing]> gabriel: apt-get update
[21:11] <wally[wiiing]> gabriel: or adept update ;)
[21:11] <gabriel> wally[wiiing]: ... but that's what i did? update
[21:11] <gabriel> oh wait.. upgrade-
[21:11] <wally[wiiing]> :)
[21:11] <gabriel> wally[wiiing]: but... it autoupdated when i added the source?
[21:12] <gabriel> so then i could click upgrade??
[21:12] <wally[wiiing]> gabriel: source must be broke?  is this an "official" repo?
[21:12] <wally[wiiing]> gabriel: sorry, of course it is.  I can see that it is !!
[21:13] <DaSkreech> gabriel: try the update again you may have gotten an error fetching the list
[21:13] <DaSkreech> Sometimes it runs by so fast I miss the errors myself
[21:13] <noren> DaSkreech: my prob is typical!! sometimes my knetwork manager dies on me and i m unable to connect to network . to fix that i have to rebbot the system, so i was loking for a way around
[21:13] <DaSkreech> noren: Wireless?
[21:14] <noren> no wired
[21:14] <DaSkreech> And you can't just open back knetworkmanager ?
[21:14] <DaSkreech> That normally works for me
[21:14] <DaSkreech> Wireless has given issues sometimes but wired normally just works
[21:14] <DaSkreech> or if you get knetworkmanager you can just run sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[21:15] <DaSkreech> gabriel: yes? no?
[21:16] <Sixofour> is there a way to copy my registry then load it back into wine?
[21:16] <gabriel> well, when i do a fetch list... i get failed on some stuff
[21:16] <Sixofour> hrm, why am i asking here
[21:16] <DaSkreech> gabriel: which ones?
[21:16] <gabriel> for instance:
[21:16] <DaSkreech> ok
[21:16] <gabriel> Ign http://se.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates/restricted Translation-en_US
[21:16] <gabriel> Ign http://se.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates/universe Translation-en_US
[21:17] <DaSkreech> gabriel: What are you trying to do btw? upgrade to jaunty or upgrade to KDE 4.2 ?
[21:17] <gabriel> all of the eng-US stuff
[21:17] <gabriel> kde 4.2... what is jaunty?
[21:17] <gabriel> i have kubuntu 8.10 64 bit. is that jaunty?
[21:17] <DaSkreech> gabriel: Never mind :) You will know when it's time
[21:17] <DaSkreech> no that's Ibex
[21:17] <gabriel> ok
[21:18] <DaSkreech> 9.04 is Jaunty
[21:18] <gabriel> oh right. coming in april right
[21:18] <noren> DaSkreech: gabriel: he reminds me of my upgrade problems
[21:18] <XPS_M1330> that's weird... amarok2's sound output is indeendant from my system's
[21:19] <DaSkreech> gabriel: no adept isn't wrong
[21:19] <DaSkreech> that file does not indeed exist on that server
[21:19] <gabriel> DaSkreech, wally[wiiing]: any idea why i fail to update some stuff then?
[21:19] <DaSkreech>  I guess it has not yet been updated
[21:19] <gabriel> well i did sudo apt-get update
[21:19] <DaSkreech> try a different server perhaps
[21:20] <wally[wiiing]> gabriel: yes, it could be half way through being updated on the repository, but that shouldn't take more than a few monets
[21:20] <wally[wiiing]> *moments
[21:20] <XPS_M1330> can we pick the engine amarok2 uses?
[21:20] <DaSkreech> gabriel: I know the server has version 0.27 of the file not 0.33
[21:20] <gabriel> what should i do to "refresh"?
[21:20] <DaSkreech> So you can't get it.  I have kubuntu 8.10 amd64 and the usb don't work. Can someone help me?
[21:22] <noren_> DaSkreech: it seems shadowhywind got the same prob i had
[21:23] <gabriel> wally[wiiing]: DaSkreech: i'm getting failed stuff on all servers.. how can that be??
[21:23] <wally[wiiing]> umm, I've just done an upgrade here without problems
[21:23] <DaSkreech> gabriel: what are you trying to do so I have some context?
[21:23] <shadowhywind> DaSkreech: yes, hehe
[21:23] <redwizardstudios> anyone know where i'd go to find info on how to force kubuntu to let me edit the IP/DNS settings as the settings in the KDE interface dont seem to affect where i'm pinging from(always seems to be from <IP_ADDRESS>)
[21:23] <gabriel> DaSkreech: just upgrade to kde4.2
[21:23] <wally[wiiing]> a 404 error rules out a bad network or DNS issue, the problem would appear to be your apt is not getting the latest package lists
[21:23] <noren_> gabriel: when i update there are few things which i get always aaas failed but it sould not be a prob
[21:23] <shadowhywind> noren_ been having this issue all week, just been restoring my old backups of .kde folder. but its not working now
[21:24] <wally[wiiing]> ok
[21:24] <shadowhywind> noren_ what did you do to fix it, or are you still having that issue?
[21:24] <DaSkreech> gabriel: k so you enabled unsupported updates ?
[21:24] <gabriel> noren: are u sure? last time i tried to upgrade to kde4.2 i had to reinstall kubuntu :/
[21:24] <gabriel> DaSkreech: yes
[21:25] <gabriel> DaSkreech: however, if i disable unsoppreted updates, i still get failed update
[21:25] <noren_> gabriel: mann i had already installed fresh kubuntu quite a few times myself
[21:25] <shadowhywind> DaSkreech: did you guys come up with a solution for it?
[21:25] <DaSkreech> gabriel: Yes I know that isn't coming from the KDE 4.2 upgrade
[21:25] <noren_> shadowhywind: i and Daskreech cud not find the solution then may this time DaSkrech cud help
[21:25] <DaSkreech> That's normal ubuntu upgrades
[21:26] <DaSkreech> noren_: I can't unfortunately
[21:26] <DaSkreech> jussi01: ping
[21:26] <goofey> redwizardstudios: it would be uncommon for a desktop to be <IP_ADDRESS> - that's usually the IP of the default gateway (aka router) on a 192.168.1.x network
[21:26] <jussi01> DaSkreech: pong
[21:26] <noren_> shadowhywind: did u by any chance had installed amarok nighlty beforre the crash
[21:26] <DaSkreech> jussi01: Any advice for a Dbus no reply error?
[21:26] <gabriel> DaSkreech: do u think it's serious? will my upgrade fail?
[21:26] <redwizardstudios> goofey: its a BT Hub.  The hubs IP is <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:26] <shadowhywind> noren_ well I am doing some updates that also involve a few plasma packages, i don't really remember have had amarok installed for a while
[21:26] <DaSkreech> gabriel: no we just need to find the file
[21:27] <shadowhywind> noren_ I am thinking its the network manager plugin
[21:27] <jussi01> DaSkreech: not off the top of my head - kinda busy here.
[21:27] <gabriel> DaSkreech: huh? what do you mean?
[21:27] <goofey> redwizardstudios: you want this computer to have static ip?
[21:27] <redwizardstudios> i can sucessfully interact with the hubs web interface i just cant get onto the net (i cant even ping my dns servers)
[21:27] <XPS_M1330> which is the best music player out there? So far the one I hate less is Rhythmbox
[21:27] <DaSkreech> jussi01: Any idea who would it seems a common enough issue that it should have a fix documented somewhere
[21:27] <redwizardstudios> goofey: i've tried dhcp auto assignment and static ip's
[21:28] <redwizardstudios> i'm guessing if its not setting the IP properly its not setting the DNS either
[21:28] <jussi01> DaSkreech: browsed launchpad for a bug yet?
[21:28] <redwizardstudios> hence why i want to force it myself
[21:28] <DaSkreech> jussi01: That's how I know it's a common issue :)
[21:29] <DaSkreech> JontheEchidna: ping
[21:29] <noren_> shadowhywind: is that a black screennn with the mouse only, but runs all the programs normally if started frm the konsole
[21:29] <DaSkreech> jussi01: Thanks
[21:29] <jussi01> DaSkreech: sorry, youll have to ask around. Im kinda busy.
[21:29] <JontheEchidna> DaSkreech: pong
[21:30] <DaSkreech> JontheEchidna: Do you have any idea how to deal with a Dbus no reply error ?
[21:30] <DaSkreech> gabriel: http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu/pool/universe/libi/libical/libical0_0.33-1_amd64.deb
[21:30] <shadowhywind> noren_ yup
[21:30] <JontheEchidna> That just means the program crashed
[21:30] <DaSkreech> gabriel: throw that file into /var/cache/apt/archives
[21:30] <Ab3l> hi
[21:30] <DaSkreech> you may need to sudo the copy
[21:30] <DaSkreech> JontheEchidna: So symptom not a cause?
[21:31] <JontheEchidna> yep
[21:31] <DaSkreech> shadowhywind: can youopen a konsole ?
[21:31] <goofey> redwizardstudios: woulds like your dchp server isn;t working.  I think the answer is here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/ubuntu-63/setting-a-static-ip-in-kubuntu-8.10....-690093/
[21:31] <noren_> DaSkreech: cant we remove the plasma and reinstall again
[21:31] <shadowhywind> DaSkreech: yes
[21:31] <DaSkreech> JontheEchidna: Ok I saw a few plasma crashes coming through with that but right before they had a line that said can't parse config /
[21:31] <gabriel> DaSkreech: weird can't open that link with konqueror
[21:31] <DaSkreech> noren_: possibly
[21:31] <Ab3l> i've just installed kubuntu 8.10 and i've a problem with a printer: kubuntu automatically setted it up and i can even know ink lvels etc but fails the most important thing: if i try to print a doc a never-ending-loop of paper feeding begin
[21:32] <DaSkreech> gabriel: cd /var/cache/apt/archives and sudo wget http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu/pool/universe/libi/libical/libical0_0.33-1_amd64.deb
[21:32] <DaSkreech> gabriel: Oh good grief
[21:32] <goofey> redwizardstudios: er, sounds like, not woulds like - geez I can't type
[21:32] <gabriel> DaSkreech: i'm getting connection refused?
[21:32] <DaSkreech> gabriel: cd /var/cache/apt/archives and sudo wget http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu/pool/universe/libi/libical/libical0_0.33-1_amd64.deb
[21:32] <DaSkreech> gabriel: Yeah just got it too
[21:33] <DaSkreech> shadowhywind: run plasma from the konsole
[21:33] <insst> hello. I have 512 MB RAM. What size swap partition I need? 768 MB would be enough?
[21:33] <redwizardstudios> goofey: reading - i'm a linux nub but i'm a quick study so hopefully i'll have this sorted quickly ;)
[21:33] <DaSkreech> pastebin the error message
[21:33] <DaSkreech> redwizardstudios:
[21:33] <goofey> redwizardstudios: hope that helps
[21:33] <XPS_M1330> which is the best windows emulator?
[21:33] <DaSkreech> welcome to Kubuntu and linux!
[21:33] <gabriel> who me? Connecting to ftp.cs.umn.edu|<IP_ADDRESS>|:80... failed: Connection refused.
[21:33] <DaSkreech> XPS_M1330: Windows
[21:33] <shadowhywind> DaSkreech: do you want it all? or just the last Dbus error?
[21:33] <DaSkreech> all would be nice
[21:33] <DaSkreech> gabriel: use the last URL I gave
[21:34] <noren_> XPS_M1330: i use wine and crossover office
[21:34] <DaSkreech> Oh whoops
[21:34] <DaSkreech> same URL :)
[21:34] <goofey> redwizardstudios: do you have other computers on that network?
[21:34] <DaSkreech> http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/universe/libi/libical/libical0_0.33-1_amd64.deb
[21:34] <redwizardstudios> yeah
[21:34] <DaSkreech> gabriel: ^^
[21:34] <insst> or maybe no need swap...
[21:34] <goofey> redwizardstudios: and if so, are they dynamic or static?
[21:34] <gabriel> DaSkreech: that worked :)
[21:34] <redwizardstudios> goofey: laptop that runs wifi auto assigned using DHCP no probs and 2 desktops running on their own hub so i set their settings manually
[21:34] <DaSkreech> yeah
[21:34] <AmyRose> Does anyone here have Jaunty? Nobody on #ubuntu+1 uses KDE...
[21:34] <DaSkreech> :-)
[21:34] <DaSkreech> AmyRose: the shame!!!
[21:35] <shadowhywind> DaSkreech: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m9ac8129
[21:35] <amelie> hi
[21:35] <gabriel> DaSkreech: didn't do anything for my apt-get update though.. still missing stuff
[21:35] <goofey> AmyRose: wdo you have a specific question?
[21:35] <DaSkreech> gabriel: try the upgrade
[21:36] <wanting_it> haynesp
[21:36] <AmyRose> Well, I have a bunch of Qt 4.5-related glitches, mostly related to toolbars. The main one is that buttons appear to be pushed in when pointing at them. I'm just using Oxygen.
[21:36] <goofey> redwizardstudios: so, the dhcp server is unable to respond to computers behind the hub?  that doesn't sound right
[21:36] <amelie> i need help; i had to reformat my hard drive, installed kubuntu 8.10 and when i try to get aplications with apt-get install, it says "couln't find package"
[21:36] <DaSkreech> shadowhywind: mv ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-appletsrc ~ && plasma
[21:37] <gabriel> DaSkreech: the thing is i already pressed upgrade in the package manager before we did this :P
[21:37] <gabriel> DaSkreech: so... is it too late or what?
[21:37] <DaSkreech> gabriel: ah...
[21:37] <DaSkreech> no not too late
[21:37] <redwizardstudios> goofey: its not a hub as such i have the hub which if i connect to directly with a desktop can auto assign, but if i connect via the router up stairs(its an adsl router) i have to manually tell the machines to route thru the bt home hub as the machines assume the network connection is on the router there plugged into
[21:37] <Ab3l> i've just installed kubuntu 8.10 and i've a problem with a printer: kubuntu automatically setted it up and i can even know ink lvels etc but fails the most important thing: if i try to print a doc a never-ending-loop of paper feeding begin
[21:37] <DaSkreech> dpkg/apt-get is pretty robust
[21:37] <amelie> amelie@amelie-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install update
[21:37] <amelie> Reading package lists... Done
[21:37] <gabriel> DaSkreech: come again?
[21:38] <amelie> Building dependency tree
[21:38] <amelie> Reading state information... Done
[21:38] <amelie> E: Couldn't find package update
[21:38] <amelie> can't get anything
[21:38] <AmyRose> DaSkreech: When I was a newb I screwed it up pretty bad... :P
[21:38] <DaSkreech> amelie: no install
[21:38] <amelie> the only thing i could install with apt-get update, was firefox
[21:38] <amelie> nothing else
[21:38] <redwizardstudios> goofey: basically i'm using a spare router as a hub as the machines up stairs are 15 meters away from the bt hub ;)
[21:38] <goofey> amelie: apt-get update updates the list, apt-get install X installs X
[21:38] <DaSkreech> amelie: sudo apt-get update
[21:38] <amelie> ok
[21:38] <amelie> thanks
[21:38] <DaSkreech> update is a command to apt-get
[21:38] <DaSkreech> sudo apt-get install
[21:38] <DaSkreech> install is also a command to apt-get
[21:39] <DaSkreech> which then asks what You want to install :)
[21:39] <DaSkreech> amelie: Makes sense ?
[21:39] <amelie> hehe sure
[21:39] <amelie> thanks Daskreech
[21:39] <DaSkreech> gabriel: what is adept doing now?
[21:40] <shadowhywind> DaSkreech: I actraully don't have that file, i deleted it before, and no good. I am going to reboot, and see if the updates help
[21:40] <goofey> redwizardstudios: ahh, you have daisy chained routers - your life may be easier of you can turn the second router into a simple hub - some routers allow you to turn of dhcp and nat
[21:40] <gabriel> DaSkreech: nothing. it has done an update and says there is nothing more to do basically. but i fear that if i restart i will be confined to the scary dark place again. i don't like the dark place.
[21:40] <DaSkreech> shadowhywind: shouldn't need to unless you got low level libs
[21:40] <DaSkreech> gabriel: Ha ha Ok install irssi
[21:41] <gabriel> DaSkreech: hmm ok what is that?
[21:41] <noren_> gabriel: go aheaaad my the light (force ) be with u !!!
[21:41] <goofey> redwizardstudios: all that's to say that you should still be able to set statuc ip on your kubuntu box if you prefer that...
[21:41] <DaSkreech> gabriel: a door out of darkness
[21:41] <gabriel> DaSkreech: ah i see :P
[21:41] <redwizardstudios> goofey: i'll try that in a moment - just gotta grab the laptop from down stairs :)
[21:42] <goofey> redwizardstudios: gl!
[21:42] <DaSkreech> gabriel: lets do this from the command line just to get you used to it
[21:42] <gabriel> alright DaSkreech.. guess i do a logout login...
[21:43] <DaSkreech> gabriel: Hmm?
[21:43] <DaSkreech> no
[21:43] <gabriel> no?
[21:43] <DaSkreech> I mean open konsole and type sudo apt-get install irssi
[21:43] <gabriel> DaSkreech: is kde4.2 installed or not?
[21:43] <DaSkreech> You have to close adept first though
[21:43] <DaSkreech> gabriel: Doubt it is
[21:43] <gabriel> DaSkreech: oh, it's already installed now
[21:43] <kage> i need help with mp3 playback in kubuntu intrepid
[21:43] <Doc_exe> weechat is better than irssi i think... visually :)
[21:43] <DaSkreech> gabriel: Ok in the konsole type irssi -c irc.freenode..net
[21:43] <DaSkreech> gabriel: Ok in the konsole type irssi -c irc.freenode.net
[21:43] <gabriel> DaSkreech: i installed irrsi
[21:43] <DaSkreech> !mp3 | kage
[21:44] <DaSkreech> gabriel: I know I'm telling you to run it :)
[21:44] <gabriel_> lala
[21:44] <gabriel_> well well
[21:44] <gabriel_> a wait out of the darkness?
[21:44] <amelie> thanks DaScreech, everything is working fine
[21:44] <DaSkreech> Yeah if everything breaks yo ucan still come here and get help
[21:44] <amelie> muack!
[21:44] <DaSkreech> amelie: Glad to serve !
[21:45] <kage> daskreech those dont help i keep getting errors
[21:45] <gabriel> and there was also a way to swith back and forth between two terminals?
[21:45] <DaSkreech> gabriel_: So if things go really wrong then you can get here as long as you have net :)
[21:45] <DaSkreech> gabriel: Yes
[21:45] <DaSkreech> kage: pastebin the errors
[21:45] <DaSkreech> gabriel: You are on terminal 7
[21:45] <gabriel> linux is cool, gotta say
[21:45] <DaSkreech> This has the GUI by default
[21:46] <DaSkreech> You can get here by alt+Ctrl+F7
[21:46] <DaSkreech> You candrop to the other terminal with alt+ctrl+F1 or F2 or F3 etc
[21:46] <gabriel> DaSkreech: well shouldn't i try to restart X?
[21:46] <DaSkreech> Go to F1 then come back here
[21:46] <gabriel_> ok
[21:46] <DaSkreech> alt+ctrl+F1 then alt+ctrl+F7
[21:46] <kage> kage@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get kubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:46] <kage> [sudo] password for kage:
[21:46] <kage> E: Invalid operation kubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:46] <kage> kage@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:46] <kage> Reading package lists... Done
[21:46] <kage> Building dependency tree
[21:46] <kage> Reading state information... Done
[21:46] <kage> Package kubuntu-restricted-extras is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[21:46] <kage> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[21:46] <DaSkreech> !flood
[21:46] <trpr> ..
[21:46] <kage> is only available from another source
[21:46] <kage> E: Package kubuntu-restricted-extras has no installation candidate
[21:47] <DaSkreech> kage: pastebin
[21:47] <gabriel> worked like a charm
[21:47] <DaSkreech> not paste
[21:47] <gabriel> DaSkreech:
[21:47] <noren_> kage: enable the multiverse
[21:47] <DaSkreech> gabriel: Ok cool so you can jump around differnt terminals they all act like different computers
[21:47] <gabriel> DaSkreech: well shouldn't i try to restart X now and see if the kde4.2 install worked?
[21:47] <DaSkreech> so you can screw up one pretty bad and the others will work
[21:47] <DaSkreech> gabriel: Wait!
[21:47] <kage> k i did
[21:48] <noren_> kage:http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/MP3_on_Kubuntu
[21:48] <DaSkreech> gabriel: on the command line type sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:48] <gabriel> oh really? so u are saying i can keep the old kde running in one terminal?
[21:48] <kage> that dosent help either
[21:48] <DaSkreech> gabriel: Yes actually
[21:48] <goofey> kage:and then did you sudo apt-get update?
[21:48] <kage> ya i did
[21:48] <gabriel> DaSkreech: can i copy and paste between terminals?
[21:49] <DaSkreech> gabriel: Ermm kinda that's tricky :)
[21:49] <DaSkreech> but doable
[21:50] <DaSkreech> gabriel: Let me know when that command finishes
[21:50] <gabriel> DaSkreech: it said qwenview package was held back!
[21:50] <DaSkreech> gabriel: Is it downloading things?
[21:50] <DaSkreech> gabriel: ah that's fine we can fix that later
[21:51] <DaSkreech> gabriel: Ok logout and then when the login screen comes up press alt+E then login
[21:51] <gabriel> nothing upgraded... only one held back
[21:51] <gabriel> logout from HERE?
[21:51] <gabriel> in terminal f7 that is
[21:51] <DaSkreech> gabriel: Yes :) you have irssi :)
[21:51] <gabriel> what does alt + E do?
[21:52] <DaSkreech> It forces an X reset
[21:52] <DaSkreech> gabriel: oooh
[21:52] <gabriel> same as ctrl alt backspace right?
[21:52] <DaSkreech> might want to back up ~/.kde
[21:52] <DaSkreech> cp ~/.kde ~/.kde4.1
[21:52] <DaSkreech> Nothing should happen
[21:52] <DaSkreech> I'm just careful
[21:53] <gabriel> how do i quit irrsi?
[21:53] <DaSkreech> gabriel: /quit
[21:53] <DaSkreech> gabriel: Somewhat the same just nicer
[21:53] <DaSkreech> alt+ctrl+backspace is a rude restart
[21:53] <gabriel> cp: omitting directory `/home/gabriel/.kde'
[21:53] <DaSkreech> both work though
[21:53] <DaSkreech> oh right
[21:54] <DaSkreech> cp -R  ~/.kde ~/.kde4.1
[21:54] <gabriel> well it didn't for me the last time :/
[21:54] <DaSkreech> What didn't?
[21:54] <gabriel> the rude restart.
[21:54] <gabriel> it broke everything
[21:54] <DaSkreech> Boom!
[21:55] <DaSkreech> I'll be here for another 10 or so minutes
[21:56] <DaSkreech> gabriel_: hi. From a TTY I guess?
[21:56] <gabriel> DaSkreech: yes :)
[21:56] <DaSkreech> ;-)
[21:56] <DaSkreech> smart
[21:56] <gabriel> DaSkreech: so i'll relogin now...
[21:56] <tmeixner> Im using the 9.04 alpha 5 release. Can I upgrade this installation to stable once released without a new installation?
[21:56] <gabriel> DaSkreech: holding my breath...
[21:56] <DaSkreech> great
[21:56] <DaSkreech> tmeixner: yes
[21:56] <DaSkreech> just do an normal update
[21:57] <DaSkreech> I normally install a week before release then update the day before everyone goes crazy
[21:57] <gabriel_> lol
[21:57] <gabriel_> DaSkreech: so now i have a black screen. did a logout.
[21:57] <DaSkreech> gabriel_: and ?
[21:57] <tmeixner> ok, thanks - yeah, thats a good idea actually.  DaSkreech. especially in Canada the servers are very slow during release times.
[21:57] <DaSkreech> you logged out and didn't get back the login screen ?
[21:58] <DaSkreech> tmeixner: horribly so
[21:58] <vladska> hey where can i get skype for kubuntu?
[21:58] <tmeixner> a torrent update feature could help.
[21:59] <fosco__> vladska, in its web
[21:59] <gabbah> DaSkreech, so, i'm on my laptop now
[21:59] <vladska> its not working from the site skype site
[21:59] <gabbah> DaSkreech, it said konqueror died a horrible death, and then everything is just black. can't even switch terminals
[22:00] <DaSkreech> gabbah: did you install ssh ?
[22:00] <gabbah> DaSkreech, how do u like your precious linux now huuuuh? ;)
[22:00] <gabbah> DaSkreech, i didn't, but it's it normally installed by default?
[22:00] <DaSkreech> nope
[22:01] <tmeixner> vladska: is it maybe because they only have a  i386 version?
[22:01] <DaSkreech>  no ports are opened on a Ubuntu install
[22:01] <gabbah> DaSkreech, so anyway... i guess i can only restart my box, as it's not responding?
[22:01] <vladska> first day with linux
[22:01] <DaSkreech> gabbah: Ha ha :-) Ok I guess press the power buton
[22:01] <DaSkreech> vladska: Welcome to Kubuntu and Linux!
[22:01] <vladska> :)
[22:01] <vladska> hey how
[22:01] <tmeixner> vladska: I see, welcome :-)
[22:02] <DaSkreech> !skype | vladska
[22:03] <gabbah> DaSkreech, u have GOT to be kidding me! It ACTUALLY started normally! i now seems to be the proud owner of a fresh kde4.2 install?? could it be?? :)
[22:04] <DaSkreech> gabbah: how do you like my linux now :)
[22:04]  * goofey laughs
[22:04] <gabbah> DaSkreech, haha your linux is strong oh great warrior...!
[22:05] <kage> skype is one of the easier programs to install ive found
[22:07] <DaSkreech> kage: I know they are pretty linux frriendly if not open source centered
[22:07] <DaSkreech> gabbah: Right I'm off
[22:07] <kage> ya so ive found i like programs that are easy less stress :)
[22:08]  * gabbah has been saved by the clutches of the evil monsters of the dark cold console space, by his knight in shining armour, the linux jedi - DaSkreech!
[22:08] <gabbah> from* :P
[22:09] <gabbah> DaSkreech, thanks a million dude! u saved me :)
[22:09] <DaSkreech> gabbah: Gald to help with irssi you can be a little less afraid unless you break the net
[22:09] <gabbah> yes, irrsi is gold
[22:09] <DaSkreech> gabbah: in which case I suggest keeping a live CD around you can get on the net and fix your machine from it
[22:09] <gabbah> yeah i have it
[22:10] <DaSkreech> So far the only thing I can't figure out how to do from the darkness is view images
[22:10] <gabbah> now i logged out. just have a psycho screen now
[22:10] <gabbah> becuase i installed my nvidia drivers i guess
[22:10] <DaSkreech> You can browse the net mail IM watch moies play music do work and play
[22:10] <gabbah> wow :P
[22:10] <DaSkreech> It broke again on logout?
[22:11] <gabbah> DaSkreech, can u even download and watch porn is my main concern though???
[22:11] <DaSkreech> gabbah: you can script it so it's there in the morning
[22:11] <DaSkreech> but as I said I have to run :)
[22:11] <gabbah> DaSkreech, it would seem so yes. i think that happened before also though. it's not kde4.2 related
[22:11] <gabbah> yes
[22:11] <gabbah> thanks again
[22:11] <DaSkreech> Yes probably X related
[22:11]  * DaSkreech hates X
[22:12]  * gabbah is hard rebooting again
[22:12] <DaSkreech> install ssh :)
[22:12] <DaSkreech> you can probably fix it from across the network
[22:13] <gabbah> ME?
[22:13] <gabbah> maybe i can login, but after that i'm lost
[22:13] <Faust-C> im assuming kopete doesnt work in kde4
[22:13] <gabbah> well it did start again
[22:13] <gabbah> so no problem there...
[22:14] <DaSkreech> Faust-C: Assume away
[22:14] <goofey> gabbah: if you could login via shh, you could do a soft-reboot - less chance of filesystem errors
[22:14] <DaSkreech> gabbah: :-) Padawan
[22:14] <gabbah> haha
[22:14] <DaSkreech> Or just restart X
[22:14] <gabbah> aah ok
[22:14] <gabbah> didn't even know that see
[22:14] <TheMG> hey, im trying to install my graphics card drivers, but when i click the activate button nothing seems to happen
[22:15] <gabbah> anyway, nvidia drivers are now activated, so everything seems fine
[22:16] <TheMG> what sort of response should i expect?
[22:17] <DaSkreech> TheMG: Should work though someone was saying in here yesterday they had to keep pressing the button to get it to work
[22:17] <TheMG> should the green icon change?
[22:17] <TheMG> i mean, the one on the activate button
[22:18] <TheMG> ive pressed it atleast 50 times
[22:18] <TheMG> and next to the "ati/amd drivers" text the dot is still gray
[22:19] <TheMG> is there a way i could screenshot this?
[22:20] <nadio_> hey
[22:20] <kage> can someone explain why my sound driver is no longer workinf
[22:21] <DaSkreech> TheMG: ksnapshot
[22:21] <protoman> Hey whenever I type, black lines randomly quickly appear and then go away.. does anybody know why this is happening to me?
[22:21] <lekremyelsew> hey dudes i switched from ubuntu to kubuntu and i need some help
[22:23] <lekremyelsew> the icons in the systen tray are being really gay
[22:24] <DaSkreech> That's not really a problem we can help with
[22:24] <protoman> ..my problem?
[22:24] <redwizardstudios> LMAO
[22:24] <redwizardstudios> PMSL
[22:24] <DaSkreech> protoman: only when you type? Not when you move the mouse or windows ?
[22:24] <redwizardstudios> lolz
[22:25] <gabbah> bleh. why is firefox (latest, 3.07) still ugly for me... those tabs look fsck up :/   anyone else have this problem? running kubuntu 8.10 64-bit, kde4.2, gf8800 nvidia drivers 177 installed.
[22:25] <kage> question... when i ran a scorce pack it installed popped something up... now when i try to run a command it says that it cannot be run because an another administrative program is running can someone explain why
[22:26] <protoman> DaSkreech: Yeah pretty much.. Now its doing it every once in a while when I'm not.. but its mostly when i'm typing.
[22:26] <DaSkreech> kage: more specifics
[22:26] <shadowhywind> DaSkreech: so a reboot and the updates didn't work. any other ideas?
[22:26] <DaSkreech> protoman: I'm guessing refresh rate onr you X is messed up
[22:26] <kage> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[22:26] <DaSkreech> shadowhywind: plasma crashing ?
[22:26] <kage> sorry for mulitiple paste...
[22:26] <DaSkreech> kage: argh!
[22:26] <DaSkreech> kage: close adept
[22:27] <kage> its not open
[22:27] <shadowhywind> DaSkreech: yah
[22:27] <Faust-C> use top or system monitor
[22:27] <Faust-C> to see whats got a lock
[22:27] <DaSkreech> !adeptfix | kage
[22:28] <kage> okay thank you.. now when i try to tun the restricted extras it tells me that it has unmet decrepencies
[22:29] <DaSkreech> shadowhywind: It looks like it's a plasmoid that is causing it but I'm not sure
[22:30] <protoman> Bleh.. its still doing it..
[22:31] <protoman> Anyone got any other ideas?
[22:31] <bittin_> http://doodle.com/dqxgz8hpg936dtf3
[22:33] <redwizardstudios> hmm
[22:33] <redwizardstudios> how do i uninstall the network manager...
[22:33] <protoman> Eh.. I'm gonna try restarting again.
[22:34] <redwizardstudios> sudo uninstall knetworkmanager?
[22:34] <mariuz> $ sudo apt-get remove network-manager
[22:35] <redwizardstudios> command not found...
[22:35] <redwizardstudios> lovely
[22:35] <mariuz> it removes network-manager-kde
[22:35] <mariuz>   plasma-widget-network-manager
[22:36] <redwizardstudios> bash: $: command not found
[22:36] <mariuz> you should copy paste after the space near the $
[22:36] <shal3r> I added kubuntu-experimental, did apt-get update and i got this at upgrade: http://rafb.net/p/ofkf5H38.html . Any ideas?
[22:37] <redwizardstudios> command sudo not found either
[22:37] <totix800> Hey, I got a lego infrared tower and I just thought, is it possible to use this IR-receiver in combination with an ordinary multi device remote to control my amarok?
[22:37] <peaches> any program like apparmor (including apparmor) that will terminate/prevent processes from surpassing a memory usage threshold?
[22:37] <mariuz> if you are root try without sudo
[22:37] <kage> when i run the kubutnut restricted package i keep  getting an error
[22:39] <DaSkreech> redwizardstudios: sudo is not found ?
[22:39] <redwizardstudios> -bash: ~sudo: command not found
[22:42] <DaSkreech> redwizardstudios: Why the ~ ?
[22:42] <redwizardstudios> thats what it says
[22:42] <redwizardstudios> oh one sec
[22:43] <redwizardstudios> now if i remove the network manager i have to manage the network manually dont i
[22:43] <BusError> PLEASE someone tell m how to turn off the new screen locking after ~10m . I disabled /everything/.  (This is illegal in many countries.)
[23:05] <AmyRose> !libdvdcss | tweakedeh
[23:07] <tweakedeh> AmyRose: no I dont.
[23:33] <Blues-Man> hi all
[23:33] <kage> how do i uninstall a failed install of java
[23:34] <Blues-Man> i'm on jaunty <IP_ADDRESS> and I can increase video brightness with fn+key as it is when I plug the AC , i wonder why
[23:34] <Blues-Man> *can't
[23:49] <gidz> hi
[23:52] <tmeixner_> is there a way of previewing sound files in dophin?
[23:52] <peaches> tmeixner_: should be.. ive had some odd behavior with the previewer
[23:53] <tmeixner_> previewr only offers me ratings and tags, you have an options to listen? peaches
[23:54] <compilerwriter> noren wally you two around?
[23:54] <peaches> tmeixner_: i have before. i havent looked into it really but it seems like randomly there will be a player there or there wont, whenever i go to do it is the only time i notice
[23:55] <tmeixner_> peaches: I see, might be limited to some fileformats only. I try .ogg and it doesnt work.
[23:56] <compilerwriter> Help me people I lost power and shut my box down.  When the power came on and I fired the box back up I had ugly resolution problems.  I have tried to fix them and now am down to console and irssi to try to get things fixed.
[23:56] <peaches> tmeixner_: i thought that too but i didnt really see any consistency.. there is an embedded player though in theory.. for videos as well (probably not yet in kubuntu yet)
[23:56] <compilerwriter> The problem seems to be that I somehow had a working window setup without having the proper nvidia drivers set up.
[23:57] <peaches> tmeixner_: you get one for mp3?
[23:57] <tmeixner_> Im just testing 9.04 - doesnt seem to work here.
[23:58] <tmeixner_> peaches: let me get one :-) new computer, nothing on it.


[23:06] <idefine> hi, where can I specify options for upstart? Specifically I'd like to set a value for --logdir
[23:06] <xnox> idefine: hey.
[23:06] <idefine> xnox, hi
[23:07] <xnox> idefine: you can pass arguments to upstart on the kernel command line e.g. --logdir=/what/you/want should work when passed on kernel cmdline.
[23:07] <xnox> idefine: otherwise you can make /sbin/init a wrapper around upstart, or otherwise modify your initramfs to pass options to init.
[23:08] <idefine> xnox, how do I modify the kernel command line arguments?
[23:08] <xnox> idefine: depends on your bootloader and os. typically you can edit /etc/default/grub & after doing so call $ sudo update-grub and reboot
[23:09] <xnox> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="..... --logdir=/what/you/want"
[23:10] <idefine> xnox, any idea if that will work on AWS EC2 machines?
[23:13] <xnox> idefine: not really, aws are quite special.
[23:14] <xnox> idefine: please seek aws support separately. try e.g. #ubuntu-server
[23:14] <idefine> xnox, thanks!


[20:48] <GridCube> !info emesene oneiric
[20:49] <madnick> hi GridCube
[20:50] <GridCube> :D hello madnick
[20:50] <GridCube> :)
[20:50] <GridCube> how are you
[20:50] <GridCube> ?
[20:50] <madnick> fine :) you?
[20:51] <GridCube> :)
[20:51] <GridCube> planing on upgrading to 11.10
[20:51] <GridCube> so im saving some configs and stuff
[20:51] <madnick> I did that earlier today :P
[20:51] <GridCube> :D
[20:51] <madnick> Mirrors were down yesterday
[20:51] <madnick> 404
[20:52] <GridCube> i zsyncked the daily images :P
[20:52] <madnick> oh :]
[20:52] <GridCube> will use the latest of those
[20:52] <GridCube> XD
[20:52] <madnick> So now begins the journey to 12.04
[20:52] <madnick> :-O
[20:52] <GridCube> in about a month
[20:53] <GridCube> will re-start working on my interface so we can use it this round :D
[20:54] <madnick> I want to get started on the greeter :D
[20:54] <GridCube> the most important changes will be, giving users the avility to erase their own reports, changing the way the tests history is shown and giving a simple search function
[20:55] <madnick> :)
[20:57] <ochosi> madnick: yeah, looking forward to the revamped lightdm-greeter
[20:57] <madnick> :-)
[20:57] <ochosi> (and the new plymouth animation for that matter)
[20:58] <madnick> yup
[20:58] <madnick> Too bad we didnt have time
[20:58] <Unit193> 1
[20:58] <Unit193> +
[20:58] <ochosi> yeah, well that tends to happen in projects where people contribute voluntarily and in their free time
[20:59] <madnick> yeah
[20:59] <madnick> ochosi: my plans are to make a greeter based on gtk and webkit
[21:00] <madnick> So one can easily make their own CSS files etc
[21:08] <ochosi> madnick: sounds ambitious
[21:08] <madnick> Well, got until April :P
[21:09] <ochosi> yeah, but other things tend to get in the way
[21:12] <madnick> a plain GTK greeter is ofc a possible outcome, but its not my goal
[21:13] <beardygnome> hi guys, hoping someone can help me with onboard
[21:13] <beardygnome> it opens every time i log in and i can't find how to stop it
[21:13] <madnick> beardygnome: i think you need to disable gnome services
[21:13] <madnick> sadly
[21:13] <madnick> Its a bug afaik
[21:14] <beardygnome> ok
[21:14] <GridCube> beardygnome, tried closing whitout saving the session and then reloginging?
[21:14] <beardygnome> what are the side effects of disabling the gnome services?
[21:14] <beardygnome> GridCube: i don't save the session when i log out and i always have it closed when i do log out
[21:14] <ochosi> btw, what are oneiric's known bugs? is there already a list?
[21:15] <madnick> beardygnome: gnome services are not enabled by default afaik
[21:15] <beardygnome> ok, that explains why it doesn't happen on my netbook
[21:16] <madnick> bug 872515
[21:16] <genii-around> ochosi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/ReleaseNotes#Known_issues
[21:17] <ochosi> genii-around: thanks, i meant xubuntu-specific, but nvm
[21:17] <genii-around> ochosi: Ah
[21:19] <genii-around> They do have the issues broken down by DE as well
[21:21] <beardygnome> one other issue i had when updating my desktop was that it pulled in nautilus during the upgrade, which then took control of the desktop on logging in.  anyone else had this?
[21:21] <GridCube> well :D going down to do a clean install, wish me luck :D
[21:21] <madnick> GridCube: good luck! :)
[21:21] <GridCube> :D
[22:37] <GridCube> :D
[22:37] <GridCube> xubuntu 11.10 installed and running!
[23:01] <GridCube> :D everything works so far ! :D awesomest


[19:37] <damjan> !utime
[19:37] <damjan> !uptime
[19:37] <erlbot--> 29 days, 2 hours, 56 minutes and 39 seconds | memory: 5683.696 kb


[07:02] <cpaelzer> gz powersj to also officially be part of the group now :-)
[07:23] <cpaelzer> rbasak: once you are aroung it would be great if you could check my ubuntu-release question (if no one else answered) and tell me if/what I overlook
[07:23] <cpaelzer> thanks in advance
[07:23] <cpaelzer> about the MIR related apache2 migration
[07:47] <cpaelzer> rbasak: resolved
[09:49] <azidhaka> Help with 16.04 upgraded from 14.04 :) /var/log/syslog is empty, everything goes to syslog.1. Logrotate config: https://pastebin.com/mAiJVKJY ;  Rsyslog config: https://pastebin.com/3V7BbVX5
[09:56] <rbasak> azidhaka: have you rebooted since the upgrade?
[10:50] <cpaelzer> rbasak: can you pull bug 1735930 into the ongoing merge?
[10:54] <Neo1> Hi! Who know how set up php5.6, Now I have 7.1
[10:54] <Neo1> Used this manual and this doesn't work https://askubuntu.com/questions/109404/how-do-i-install-different-upgrade-or-downgrade-php-version-in-still-supported#109544
[10:55] <rbasak> cpaelzer: added to my list. Thanks!
[10:55] <rbasak> I'm planning on doing the merge first, then a further upload to fix bugs.
[10:56] <cpaelzer> just wanted to know it in good hands
[10:56] <cpaelzer> thanks
[11:28] <jamespage> coreycb: doing oslo.* updates for m2; oslo.log is unhappy under py3.6 atm (applies to current version as well)
[12:19] <jamespage> coreycb: I think we need to revert the exception serialization feature in oslo.serialization; we can drop any patches once upstream either follow suit, or fix the rest of the world to work with it.
[12:46] <coreycb> jamespage: thanks, i'll work on clients today. good call on oslo.serialization.
[14:08] <marlinc> Anyone who has experience with suppressing PAM messages about sudo from a user? I tried to suppress them with "session [success=1 default=ignore] pam_succeed_if.so quiet uid = 0 ruser = zabbix" in /etc/pam.d/sudo but this causes segmentation fault
[14:21] <catphish> i'm attempting to disable dependence on filesystem UUIDs, but i don't seem to be able to stop grub putting them in grub.cfg (specifically in the search line), is there a good solution to this?
[14:26] <catphish> i think the only solution is to hack it out of /usr/share/grub/grub-mkconfig_lib - this feels like a bug
[14:49] <jamespage> coreycb: taking stevedore
[14:49] <coreycb> jamespage: ack
[15:02] <coreycb> jamespage: taking ironic deps and keystoneauth
[15:03] <jamespage> coreycb: not doing everything via bileto - anything pretty atomic can test out in bionic-proposed
[15:03] <jamespage> coreycb: stevedore uploaded
[15:03] <coreycb> jamespage: ok
[15:03] <jamespage> coreycb: ovsdbapp next
[15:40] <powersj> cpaelzer: thanks!
[16:11] <jamespage> coreycb: os-traits done
[16:12] <jamespage> coreycb: python-troveclient next
[16:39] <jamespage> coreycb: done; tempest next
[16:46] <coreycb> jamespage: ack. done up to ironicclient. keystoneauth/middleware and ldappool next.
[16:56] <jlacroix> I'm hoping someone can help me with connecting an external USB hard disk to a KVM/Qemu VM. I've tried installing every package with the word "spice" in the name, on both the host and VM, and I've tried reconnecting, rebooting, etc. For some reason, no matter what I do, the USB drive doesn't show up in the guest VM.
[16:58] <cpaelzer> jlacroix: let me try to find you my last description
[16:59] <cpaelzer> in some bug around that I should have steps to do so ...
[16:59] <cpaelzer> jlacroix: in what Ubuntu release are you?
[16:59] <cpaelzer> (btw no spice needed at all)
[17:01] <cpaelzer> I fixed the remaining apparmor bits in artful, so if you are on 17.10 or 16.04 + UCA-Pike you are good
[17:01] <cpaelzer> otherwise you need to adapt some configs in regard to appamor
[17:01] <cpaelzer> the TL;DR to attach is this:
[17:01] <cpaelzer> 1. make an xml describing your usb device
[17:01] <cpaelzer> 2. run virsh attach-device <guestname> <xml-describing-your-device>
[17:02] <cpaelzer> Bonus: if you need USB2 caps make sure your guest has a usb 2 host controller
[17:03] <cpaelzer> list of usb controllers is at https://libvirt.org/formatdomain.html#elementsControllers if you need more than the default (which strives for max compatibility)
[17:04] <jamespage> coreycb: tempest done - enabled signature verification of the tarballs using the openstack infra signing key
[17:04] <jamespage> neat
[17:04] <cpaelzer> bugs 1552241 and 1686324 have examples how I did test the fixes
[17:04] <jamespage> coreycb: python-os-win next
[17:04] <cpaelzer> jlacroix: I hope that gets it going for you I'm EOD actually so I should leave
[17:05] <coreycb> jamespage: cool will take a look. i think i saw that mentioned in the debian policy upgrade checklist.
[17:05] <boxrick> During my pre-seed postinstall chroot environment. In /lib/modules it has kernel 4.4.0-96 Yet if it I try and use modprobe it looks for 4.4.0-103. Why this difference?
[17:05] <boxrick> And is there any way to stop this happening?
[17:05] <jamespage> coreycb: I've been doing wrap-an-sort -bast to make future merging with Debian a bit easier
[17:07] <coreycb> jamespage: ok
[17:10] <jamespage> coreycb: os-win done
[17:10] <jamespage> coreycb: python-os-brick next
[17:10] <coreycb> jamespage: signing sure is nice
[17:11] <coreycb> jamespage: checking signature that is
[17:14] <boxrick> Any ideas?
[17:23] <ahasenack> boxrick: what's the running kernel?
[17:24] <boxrick> I am using a preseed file, then in the d-i preseed/late_command section running a chroot in the /target
[17:24] <boxrick> So it is the machine I have literally just installed
[17:26] <ahasenack> well, modprobe will consider the running kernel
[17:26] <boxrick> Isn't it just a busybox environment at that point?
[17:27] <ahasenack> and a chroot
[17:27] <ahasenack> loading a module there shouldn't be done I think
[17:28] <boxrick> I need to do some ZFS hacking, so I need something to have loaded in ZFS
[17:28] <ahasenack> but during installation?
[17:28] <boxrick> It was working in a VM, but moving this to real hardware seems to have broken something. Which makes it feel a bit fragile
[17:29] <boxrick> Yea, since I want my /var living on ZFS partition
[17:29] <dpb1> we are doing work in curtin to enable zfs for root, rharper might have more info here. :)
[17:32] <boxrick> I guess I could do something like: d-i base-installer/kernel/override-image string linux-image-4.4.0-96-generic
[17:32] <rharper> generally you'll need to have zfs.ko loaded in your "install" environment; so that looks like 4.4.0-96; so you'll  want to make sure the linux-image-generic-`uname -r` is installed; that'll make sure you have a zfs.ko that can be loaded;  one loaded the zfsutils-linux  is needed for zpool/zfs commands;  lastly, in target/chroot you want zfsutils-linux
[17:33] <rharper> I'm not preseed savvy but maybe someone knows how to do the above requirements in preseed
[17:34] <boxrick> Thats what I was basically doing, but for some reason it was installing 4.4.0-96 then at last minute updating it to 4.4.0-1xx. Which is quite odd
[17:35] <rharper> well, whatever uname -r says, is what's needed, even if you update the install environment to a newer level,
[17:37] <rharper> if you're running a late command, IIUC, and it's in the chroot, then zfs was already loaded and used to create your /var mountpoint ...  so was there an error or was the concern about seeing a different kernel version
[17:38] <boxrick> No, this was a specific error when it was modprobe zfs in the late command, due to kernel inconsistencies.
[17:38] <rharper> it's very likely your install media/environment is 4.4.0-96, but the latest kernel 1xxx is being installed since the installer is going to install the latest version of the package for the target
[17:38] <rharper> oh, you can't moprobe late
[17:38] <boxrick> Well, this is a chroot
[17:38] <boxrick> So its directly in the target
[17:38] <rharper> you have to do it before
[17:38] <rharper> it has to match the installer kernel
[17:38] <rharper> so, if there's an early command
[17:39] <rharper> load zfs early, and then in late command, you can run in-chroot zfs commands as long as the target also has zfsutils-linux installed
[17:40] <boxrick> Early command feels like CentOS. Not sure if thats a thing in pre-seed
[17:40] <boxrick> Can certainly check though
[17:41] <rharper> yeah, I'm not sure on preseed
[17:41] <rharper> looks like there is a di preseed/early_command
[17:42] <boxrick> Plus its some gross busybox environment. You cant really do much
[17:42] <rharper> you only need to modprobe zfs
[17:43] <rharper> if you're waiting until your in your target; though honestly, you should be creating your var before you install the OS , otherwise you'll need to migrate all of the data in var onto your zfs var
[17:43] <boxrick> Thats fine, doing the zfs stuff before install though is a complete nightmare.
[17:43] <rharper> yes
[17:43] <boxrick> Moving some files from a none running os though is fairly easy
[17:43] <boxrick> Create zfs pool, do mountpoint, move files
[17:44] <rharper> if the tools were available, it would save some io
[17:45] <boxrick> Maybe with time this will be easier. I will give this early modprobe a go though, cheers for the hint.
[17:45] <rharper> sure
[17:46] <boxrick> Seems its also getting very confused with disk ordering which is sad
[17:46] <rharper> for zfs or something else?
[17:47] <boxrick> Oh just in general, this is server oddities.
[17:47] <rharper> recommendation is to use /dev/disk/by-id/ links which are stable, where as the sdX values can change
[17:47] <boxrick> It has an onboard SATA card which should be seen first ( sda ) but instead is sdc
[17:47] <boxrick> Can you preseed all that also ?
[17:47] <rharper> I dunno; can you specify the target disk ?
[17:48] <rharper> like, partition /dev/FOO and there, you can replace sda with a link but you need to know it (and it makes it less general)
[17:51] <boxrick> Sadly this is the recipe for countless servers rather than a single one, so it will need to remain sda etc. But thats fine. Will just have to do a specific pre-seed for this group of hardware
[17:52] <rharper> ah
[17:56] <boxrick> Thanks for the help anyway, very much useful info :)
[17:56] <rharper> sure
[18:07] <ScottE> boxrick: just an FYI to make sure you set the "overlay" ZFS option if you have /var on a discrete filesystem, otherwise it will fail to mount at boot since there is some stuff written to /var early on
[18:09] <boxrick> I did find that out earlier the hard way, and ZFS wouldn't mount because of existing files there
[18:48] <ahasenack> rbasak: the other day you said you missed update-maintainer in that mysql merge, did you push that?
[18:48] <rbasak> ahasenack: no I still need to do that.
[18:49] <rbasak> Normally I'd rebase and redo the merge commit, but that would screw up your review.
[18:49] <rbasak> But I suppose I should just add a commit at the end and it'll be fine.
[18:53] <ahasenack> yeah, just add it on top
[19:29] <jlacroix> @cpaelzer sorry I had to step away from my computer and I missed your messages. Ubuntu 16.04 on both the host and the guest
[19:31] <jlacroix> @cpaelzer if it matters I'm using virt-manager to attach the USB device so would I still need to do the xml stuff?
[19:36] <ahasenack> rbasak: still around?


[22:18] <mainerror> So what are the next steps? What can I do other than gathering a resources list doctormon?
[22:44] <doctormon> mainerror: Now we're taking the first small steps in setting up our first project.
[22:44] <doctormon> Everything that we need and all the tools we need to have ready.
[22:45] <doctormon> So far I'm unhappy about what we have the capability to provide for ourselves viz tools, but that's just what we got.
[22:45] <doctormon> I think we could always look towards better tools later on
[22:45] <doctormon> So long as these projects are not conducted on the wiki... where data goes to die.
[22:47] <mainerror> You know what would be good to have? Such a project on https://trello.com/ where everyone in the team can grab an item and work on it.
[22:47] <mainerror> That way everyone knows exactly what is going on.
[22:47] <mainerror> Trello was just an example, if you know a better tool feel free to point them out. :)
[22:51] <cjohnston> the community team has started using trello
[22:55] <mainerror> How is it going with Trello?
[22:57] <mainerror> Oh yea, by the way, if someone knows, please go ahead. http://askubuntu.com/questions/80864/why-doesnt-inkscape-recognize-the-ubuntu-color-palettes
[22:57] <cjohnston> mainerror: im not really sure.. im trying to add it to my workflow, but it kinda sucks that i have to update statuses in so many places
[22:58] <mainerror> Oh I see. I didn't think of working on multiple projects in parallel.
[22:59] <cjohnston> well.. im even talking about having to change in trello, bps, bugs, etv
[22:59] <cjohnston> etc
[23:00] <mainerror> Oh.
[23:35] <mainerror> I've created a Trello organization for our team. https://trello.com/ubuntudesign
[23:37] <mainerror> And a first board for general, more organizational tasks.


[00:00] <sebsebseb> Oddessy 5 axed after one series
[00:00] <sebsebseb> Jake 2.0 with a main guy from the previosu show, axed after one series
[00:00] <sebsebseb> Terra  Nova axed after one series
[00:00]  * penguin42 never watched any of those
[00:00] <sebsebseb> even though Steven Speilberg was behind that one and such
[00:01] <sebsebseb> penguin42: Terra Nova made it onto Pick TV
[00:01] <sebsebseb> what used to be Sky Three,  and now a Freeveiw channel as well etc
[00:01] <sebsebseb> they tend to axe Sci Fi that's my point
[00:01] <penguin42> ah yeh I sometimes watch Pick
[00:01] <sebsebseb> or so it seems, and stuff like that
[00:01] <penguin42> sebsebseb: I caught a thing called 'The Lost Room' on there a few weeks back - a nice odd little series
[00:01] <sebsebseb> penguin42:  finnished off Terra Nova two years later on Pick, since first itme round when was going to watch it well....
[00:02] <sebsebseb> penguin42: yeah   Sky use Pick to get people a taste of Sky 1 shows basically
[00:02] <sebsebseb> Sky 1/2
[00:02] <sebsebseb> and try and get you to get Sky
[00:02] <sebsebseb> penguin42: however apparnatly that was also showing the two premiure league games and such earlier,  or at least on Freeview  etc,  when I put it on  it just showed normal Pick stuff, but  Sky 2 for the games etc
[00:03] <sebsebseb> penguin42: I think Sky are slighlty worried about BT Sport, so they did that :d
[00:03] <sebsebseb> they need some more proper competition in general realy :)  they monopolise like everything otherwise
[00:04] <penguin42> is happy for them to monopolise sport; I don't care about it
[00:04] <sebsebseb> no I don't care much about it either in general
[00:04] <sebsebseb> ,but even so, they could do with more proper competiton when it comes to that
[00:04] <sebsebseb> ideally I would like a proper movie channel to compete against Sky Movies, done in a similar way :)
[00:05] <penguin42> sebsebseb: But it's being obsoleted by netflix etc
[00:05] <sebsebseb> penguin42: I was just thinking Netflix to though
[00:05] <sebsebseb> why do people go to DRM's Netflix?
[00:05] <sebsebseb> simple since they don;t have Sky Movies
[00:05] <sebsebseb> and that's a lot of people
[00:06] <sebsebseb> well some might have it that do as well, but if you have good movie channels, your less likely to use some streaming service with DRM
[00:06] <sebsebseb> surely?
[00:06] <sebsebseb> why pay for boht?
[00:07] <sebsebseb> penguin42: Netflix is annoying as a Linux user,  since the Silverlight issue
[00:07] <penguin42> but aren't the sky movies etc drmd at the box/hdmi level?
[00:07] <sebsebseb> yeah possbily,but that's differnet
[00:07] <sebsebseb> that's a proper TV
[00:07] <sebsebseb> your not watching stuff online usauly like that
[00:07] <sebsebseb> penguin42: DRM isn't my issue with Netflix realy,  it's SIlveright
[00:07] <sebsebseb> and so as a result not being LInux compatible
[00:07] <sebsebseb> I do understnad why they  would want some kind of dRM on it htough
[00:08] <penguin42> right but I can watch it on a suitably equipped TV - so no worse than any of the other things I need a TV for
[00:08] <sebsebseb> ,but why does it have to be done with technology that isn't Linux  compatible?
[00:08] <sebsebseb> penguin42: yep Netflix can be watched on a TV to, if you got what is needed for that
[00:09] <sebsebseb> penguin42: oh any point buying an Ubuntu Edge at this late stage? nope I don't think so
[00:09] <sebsebseb> looks like everyone is going to get re funded
[00:10] <sebsebseb> unless there are like 20 hidden companies who are waiting for the end to  spend money on it or something
[00:10] <sebsebseb> penguin42: to be honest I nearly bought one before, but I knew I probably woudn't have been able to , but trie anyway,    but knew probably woudn't work, since some Paypal issues
[00:10] <penguin42> shrug
[00:10] <sebsebseb> that's the other sucky thing about  the Edge, but that's the site for it really, having to use Paypal
[00:11] <sebsebseb> penguin42: looks like it may not even end at 14 million, have you been following that at all?
[00:13] <penguin42> sebsebseb: Only vaguely
[00:13] <penguin42> sebsebseb: It's not something I'd buy, my phone cost about #80
[00:14] <penguin42> sebsebseb: But it's good they've gone for a high spec design, it would be nice to see it made
[00:26] <sebsebseb> penguin42: yep
[00:38]  * penguin42 wonders which is faster, a 1GHz celeron or a 1.5GHz Atom
[00:41] <daftykins> hmm
[00:41] <daftykins> a modern sandy/ivybridge sort of celeron?
[00:44] <penguin42> http://ark.intel.com/products/56056/
[00:45] <penguin42> daftykins: In particular one of these: http://www.scan.co.uk/products/msi-c847ms-e33-intel-nm70-intel-celeron-847-ddr3-sata-iii-pcie-20-%28x16%29-d-sub-hdmi-matx
[00:47] <penguin42> a lot cheaper than the mini-ITX I was considering earlier, big heatsink and in a normal PC chassis should cool well
[00:47] <daftykins> mmm
[00:48] <daftykins> 1.1GHz is wowzer low
[00:51] <penguin42> dual core I think
[00:52] <daftykins> just didn't think celery went that low :O
[00:52] <daftykins> it's even got VT
[00:52] <penguin42> I don't see anything stating power consumption of the board
[00:52] <penguin42> yeh I noticed that!
[00:52] <daftykins> mm 35nm proc too,
[00:53] <daftykins> i wish ark.intel would just say which generation something was
[00:53] <daftykins> granted you know on the i-series because they're numbered for the gen
[00:54] <penguin42> at that price I'm tempted to just buy it and try
[00:54] <daftykins> *nod*
[00:55] <penguin42> can put it in an old PC case
[00:55] <daftykins> wow a serial port :D
[00:56] <penguin42> daftykins: Designed for shoving in things for control I guess
[00:56] <penguin42> and hey that's useful
[00:56] <daftykins> definitely
[00:57] <penguin42> it's the 4 slots which really make i t - 2PCI, 2 PCIe
[00:57] <daftykins> some cheaper AV receivers can be updated only over serial
[00:58] <penguin42> so I can use two existing PCI network cards and can just buy two more PCIe ones
[01:12] <penguin42> but then how silent a silent ATX psu can I get
[01:13] <daftykins> you're going to want *some* airflow at least
[01:13] <daftykins> even a tiny bit
[01:13] <daftykins> i think zalman do some passive PSUs
[01:15] <penguin42> maybe one with a very controllable fan
[08:53] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[08:59] <nucc1> does anyone know if it is possible to see the linux "console" in an amazon ec2 instance?
[12:06] <mungbean> myfastforum is down :S
[13:36] <popey> Afternoon
[13:37] <penguin42> hey Popey
[14:29]  * linuxliam is pondering buying a NAS buy i want to be able to run freeNAS on it
[14:29] <linuxliam> but*
[14:34] <shauno> sounds like a job for that hp microserver
[14:53] <bigcalm> Good afternoon peeps :)
[14:54] <popey> yo
[14:55] <popey> bigcalm: fancy some mc?
[14:57] <bigcalm> Sure :)
[15:02] <popey> yay
[15:06]  * daftykins wonders why people fail to use the third person in /me's
[15:10]  * bigcalm I do all the time
[15:10] <bigcalm> :P
[15:11] <daftykins> how heavily flawed of you
[15:14]  * bigcalm has no idea what you're talking about
[15:17] <daftykins> uh-huh
[16:31] <DJones> ok. wierdest advert/childs toy/game ever http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDyOD1C67J0
[16:32] <daftykins> O_O
[16:32] <bigcalm> Oh my
[16:33] <bigcalm> That's not nice
[16:33] <DJones> Maybe if it becomes popular, we'll see gangs of kids chasing dogs around with pooper scoopers
[16:34] <DJones> In the "Don't try this at home" type comments you get
[16:40] <penguin42> DJones: That is very odd, I assume you're posting that as a reply to Popey's top trumps
[16:41] <DJones> penguin42: Nope, you need to watch the youtube video link
[16:42]  * penguin42 did
[16:42] <DJones> Just saw it advertised on tv
[16:42] <DJones> Just couldn't believe somebody would even think about turning it into a game
[16:42] <daftykins> XD
[16:42] <daftykins> it's like something the onion would do
[16:43]  * penguin42 bets there is a patent on it
[16:45] <popey> that Plop Trumps was quite fun
[16:46] <popey> might bring plop trumps to beer train
[16:46] <DJones> I wouldn't be too sure about that, you'd think whoever signed the application would be too ashamed/embarresed, they'd never have any 'street cred' again
[18:53] <mungbean> someone has just sent me a 3gp video to my email address by mistake
[18:53] <mungbean> unsure whether to click on it :S
[18:53] <daftykins> O_O
[18:53] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: is it "adult content"?
[18:53] <daftykins> could be... risky
[19:00] <linuxliam> using XML files to automatically change backgrounds works but the transitions are laggy
[19:00] <linuxliam> any ideas
[19:03] <moreati> mungbean: are you worried about legal implications or security exploits?
[19:03] <moreati> if the latter play it in a throwaway VM
[19:06] <mungbean> i dont wanna see something gross/rude
[19:06] <popey> moreati: it probably won't play on linux, don't worry ☻
[19:06] <popey> forward it to me, I'll test it for you
[19:07] <popey> \o/ weekly shop has arrived
[19:07] <penguin42> it's a hard job but someone has to do it
[19:07] <popey> No longer mother hubbard
[19:08] <mungbean> i watched it
[19:09] <daftykins> popey: fancy not having gone to assist :(
[19:16] <mungbean> it was footage of some baptism service in the states.
[19:16] <mungbean> adult africans getting baptised
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> those poor people
[19:21] <moreati> being American isn't so bad
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> moreati: I wasn't talking about that part
[19:22] <moreati> MartijnVdS: i know
[19:34] <popey> daftykins: assist?
[19:34] <daftykins> in said shopping sir
[19:34] <daftykins> or do you get it delivered 0o
[19:34] <daftykins> i keep forgetting the futuristic tech England has :(
[19:35] <popey> by "arrived" I mean, it arrived at the door, I then disappeared from irc to assist in putting it away
[19:35] <daftykins> my bad
[19:35] <popey> love having it delivered
[19:36] <mungbean> took a proper photo of my gromit model http://i.imgur.com/paxAHCU.jpg
[19:36] <daftykins> nice mungbean :D
[19:37] <popey> heh, nice
[19:37] <mungbean> felt the mobile pic in the dark didn't do it justice
[19:37] <popey> \o/ more stuff on ebay
[19:37] <popey> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/281153465524?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
[19:37] <popey> getting rid of lots since being evicted
[19:38] <mungbean> lol i have a lload of linux magazine i want rid of
[19:38] <daftykins> evicted!?
[19:38] <popey> yeah, some young upstarts kicked me out
[19:38] <mungbean> £3 post is cheap
[19:38] <popey> yeah, they're not that heavy
[19:38] <daftykins> what kind of upstarts?
[19:38] <popey> my kids
[19:39] <popey> my office has been converted into a "play room"
[19:39] <daftykins> :(
[19:39] <daftykins> that sucks
[19:39] <popey> yeah, for now
[19:39] <popey> I'll turn the garage into an office though
[19:40] <mungbean> mancave
[19:41] <popey> indeed
[19:41] <mungbean> cold and damp in winter though :(
[19:41] <mungbean> and spiders
[19:41] <popey> I don't think it'll be too bad
[19:43] <daftykins> trying to help a friend run crystaldiskinfo on windows to check if a borked windows laptop is due to disk failure
[19:43] <daftykins> why are people so bad at simple file management O_O
[19:46] <mungbean> same reason my socks are on the bedroom floor
[19:47] <daftykins> the floordrobe principle? how can that be O_O
[19:49] <mungbean> wheres the cheapest place to buy gaviscon?
[19:54] <mungbean> think i;ll try asda
[22:01] <Laney> xnox: just got back
[22:01] <Laney> did you win?
[22:01] <xnox> Laney: long time ago =)
[22:01] <Laney> heh
[22:03] <xnox> Laney: i think i was in at 8pm something.
[22:03] <xnox> Laney: also I had a tomato, cucumber, spring onion salad.
[22:03] <xnox> something i didn't have for a week!
[22:04] <xnox> Laney: did you have delays, or it just takes that long...?
[22:04] <Laney> non leaves
[22:04] <Laney> no, this all went to plan
[22:04] <Laney> although i did decide to walk the last bit
[22:04] <Laney> could have made a eurostar 1 hour earlier but my ticket was non flexi
[22:04] <Laney> randomly met wookey & others at gare du nord though so it was ok
[22:05] <xnox> Laney: yeah wookey had interesting schedule down other swiss villages instead of via lausane
[22:05] <Laney> indeed
[22:10] <Laney> now. bed for a week.
[22:11] <Laney> just removed a huge spider that was on the verge of acquiring squatters rights to my bath