[01:27] <ntoombs> Hi. I have a problem accessing my LAMP server externally through port 80. I can access it internally using both it's assigned local static ip address and my networks external ip address. I have talked to my ISP multiple times to see if they are blocking port 80 and they confirmed that they are not. Here are some commands I have run on my server to check if the ports are open and my server is connected to the network.
[01:27] <ntoombs> nmap -sP <IP_ADDRESS>/24 (http://pastebin.com/wt9JYDJc) nmap <IP_ADDRESS> -p 1-10000 (http://pastebin.com/KFZswzYg) netstat -an | grep ':80' (http://pastebin.com/0ZrFb5YD)
[01:28] <patdk-lap> hmm, none of those are public ip's
[01:28] <patdk-lap> do you have any public ip's on your server?
[01:29] <ntoombs> i don't know what you mean. my public ip is for my router
[01:29] <patdk-lap> and you configured dnat on your *router*
[01:30] <ntoombs> if by dnat you mean port forwarding, yes i did that
[01:30] <TheEvilPhoenix> ntoombs:  then whats the IP to the router
[01:30] <TheEvilPhoenix> i.e. if you went to whatismyip.com or something
[01:30] <TheEvilPhoenix> whats that number :P
[01:30] <TheEvilPhoenix> dont tell us though :P
[01:30] <ntoombs> i know what it is
[01:31] <TheEvilPhoenix> didya try using that for the bind number?  or perhaps just *
[01:31] <patdk-lap> heh? that won't work TheEvilPhoenix
[01:31] <TheEvilPhoenix> patdk-lap:  whoops my bad
[01:31] <qman__> you can't bind to an IP that the server is not configured with
[01:31] <TheEvilPhoenix> been a while since i messed with Apache ;)
[01:31] <TheEvilPhoenix> ignore me then
[01:32] <qman__> if it works from LAN, it's most likely the ISP or the router
[01:32] <qman__> they might swear up and down but the only way to know for sure is testing an alternate port
[01:32] <patdk-lap> make a new port forwarding rule
[01:33] <ntoombs> port 22 works fine for ssh
[01:33] <TheEvilPhoenix> is this a residential IP, out of curiosity?
[01:33] <qman__> 22 is not commonly blocked
[01:33] <patdk-lap> that maps like port 8080 to port 80
[01:33] <TheEvilPhoenix> ISP*
[01:33] <qman__> yeah, in the router, change it to 8080 or 9000 or something, and test
[01:33] <qman__> if it works, your ISP is lying
[01:33] <qman__> which is far more common than it should be
[01:33] <qman__> if not, it's probably the router
[01:34] <patdk-lap> hmm, it's a dynamic isp address
[01:35] <patdk-lap> I can't believe they aren't blocking port 80
[01:35] <ntoombs> i've been able to connect on port 80 before with this isp
[01:35] <patdk-lap> things change
[01:35] <qman__> commonly blocked ports are 25, 80, 113, 145-149, 443, and 445
[01:35] <patdk-lap> people change
[01:35] <patdk-lap> routing changes
[01:35] <patdk-lap> don't forget 135-139
[01:36] <qman__> ah, that's what I meant
[01:36] <qman__> instead of 145-149, my bad
[01:36] <ntoombs> that was like 2 weeks ago though
[01:37] <qman__> it's a pretty simple thing to test if your router is sane
[01:37] <qman__> just change the external port that gets forwarded to 80 on your server
[01:37] <serue_> kirkland: are you around by chance?
[01:37] <ntoombs> qman__: i'm sorry i don't know what you mean
[01:38] <ntoombs> i thought 80 was the port i'm forwarding to my server
[01:38] <qman__> in most routers, you forward port X to port Y on IP Z
[01:38] <qman__> you can leave Y and Z alone, and just change X
[01:38] <TheEvilPhoenix> ^ that
[01:38] <qman__> then try it from the internet
[01:38] <TheEvilPhoenix> stfu bot
[01:39] <ChmEarl> ko
[01:39] <ntoombs> my router forwards from external ip address > router (checks incoming connection and on what port) > whatever device the router forwarded the connetion
[01:40] <ntoombs> sorry i'm not very good with networking
[01:40] <TheEvilPhoenix> i've worked with forwarding though
[01:40] <TheEvilPhoenix> ntoombs:  most routers support this:
[01:40] <qman__> yes
[01:40] <qman__> connections come in on the external IP
[01:40] <qman__> when you set up port forwards, you pick a port that the connections come in on
[01:40] <qman__> then pick an IP and port to forward said connection to
[01:40] <qman__> you can leave the second half alone, and just change the first one
[01:41] <qman__> so that connections coming in on 8080 go to your server on 80
[01:41] <TheEvilPhoenix> some random port and net connection from external > router > NAT: (<random port> -> InternalMachineIP:<any port>) > InternalMachineIP
[01:41] <TheEvilPhoenix> so for example
[01:41]  * patdk-lap spanks TheEvilPhoenix
[01:41] <TheEvilPhoenix> i could bind the system in such a way that: port 8754 --> System:80
[01:41] <twb> Generic MASQUERADE or SNAT and a specific DNAT.  Film at 11.
[01:41] <TheEvilPhoenix> or any other combo :P
[01:42] <patdk-lap> twb, shouldn't that be, ipv6 killed nat, story at 11
[01:42] <ntoombs> qman__: so instead of forwarding the incoming connection to port 80 i forward it to port 8080?
[01:42] <qman__> no
[01:42] <TheEvilPhoenix> ntoombs:  no
[01:42] <ntoombs> dang
[01:42] <ntoombs> thought i had it :(
[01:42] <qman__> connections coming in on 8080, go to port 80 on the server
[01:42] <twb> patdk-lap: yeah, but I doubt the OP knows that yet
[01:43] <TheEvilPhoenix> you forward incoming connections from port 8080 to port 80 on the machine
[01:43] <qman__> so that you can leave your server alone, listening on the normal port 80
[01:43] <qman__> but work around a possible port block from your ISP
[01:44] <qman__> prepositions matter here quite a bit ;)
[01:44] <TheEvilPhoenix> indeed
[01:44] <ntoombs> ok i'll look around in my router how to forward a port to a different port :P
[01:45] <TheEvilPhoenix> ntoombs:  what router
[01:45] <ntoombs> netgear n300 dgn2200
[01:45] <ntoombs> modem/router combo
[01:46] <TheEvilPhoenix> ah
[01:46] <ntoombs> i'm not seeing any option for what you guys are talking about
[01:47] <TheEvilPhoenix> ntoombs:  screenshot?
[01:47] <ntoombs> sure
[01:47] <TheEvilPhoenix> no i kid
[01:47] <TheEvilPhoenix> lemme grab google ;)
[01:47] <TheEvilPhoenix> or a screenie works :P
[01:47] <ntoombs> whatever you wanna do
[01:47] <ntoombs> which one?
[01:47] <TheEvilPhoenix> screenie
[01:47] <TheEvilPhoenix> because google is evil
[01:48] <ntoombs> k
[01:48] <chowder> Has anyone here ever used the xen hypervisor? I want to run it on my laptop with Ubuntu 11.04 as the dom0. I've looked online for a how-to but to no avail. Any ideas?
[01:49] <TheEvilPhoenix> chowder:  #ubuntu ?
[01:49] <TheEvilPhoenix> chowder:  laptops usually fall under the purview of the standard ubuntu channel
[01:49] <ChmEarl> chowder, I do that on oneric since it has the xen aware kernel-3.0
[01:50] <chowder> TheEvilPhoenix, come one now. Do you really think that in the main channel anyone is going to have any idea? (yes, I tried asking)
[01:50] <TheEvilPhoenix> :P
[01:50] <ChmEarl> sorry oneiric
[01:50] <chowder> ChmEarl, sounds like a good idea but I don't really want something unstable for my dom0. Just doesn't seem like a good idea
[01:51] <ChmEarl> chowder, you want to build dom0 from source? use konrads git repo
[01:52] <ChmEarl> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/konrad/xen.git
[01:52] <chowder> ChmEarl, I'm on a fresh 11.04 install. I've got my LVM set up just the way I like and all that. I figure that the last step is to install xen.
[01:52] <ChmEarl> chowder, best bet is to build xen and dom0 from sources
[01:53] <chowder> ChmEarl, http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/packages/show/292562 <--- xen package mentioned here. Why is it better to build from source if its already supported in the kernel?
[01:53] <ChmEarl> let me see
[01:53] <TheEvilPhoenix> ntoombs:  anything?
[01:54] <ntoombs> copying the link now :)
[01:54] <TheEvilPhoenix> :)
[01:54] <ntoombs> http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z286/ntoombs19/Screenshot2011-07-13at84932PM.png
[01:55] <ntoombs> if you need more just ask
[01:55] <ChmEarl> chowder, I tried that setup on oneiric -- it worked with linux-image-3.0-2-sever
[01:55] <TheEvilPhoenix> ntoombs:  what's in that services dropdown list?
[01:55] <TheEvilPhoenix> the complete list
[01:55] <ntoombs> the services dropdown is where the ports come from and you can add new services in the services link
[01:55] <TheEvilPhoenix> i'm aware
[01:55] <TheEvilPhoenix> add a new service
[01:55] <chowder> ChmEarl, well my question is where do I go from here? I've got a fresh install ready to go
[01:55] <TheEvilPhoenix> named HTTP-alt, port 8080
[01:56] <TheEvilPhoenix> oh wait
[01:56] <TheEvilPhoenix> that wont work
[01:56] <TheEvilPhoenix> darn, its one of THOSE routers

[01:56] <ChmEarl> chowder, do apt-cache search linux-image-generic  <-- what's the highest version available for 11.04?
[01:56] <TheEvilPhoenix> i mean theoretically...
[01:57] <chowder> ChmEarl, one moment, please
[01:57] <TheEvilPhoenix> you can use 8080 forwarded to your system, then use an iptables forward or something to reroute it to port 80 at the box
[01:57] <twb> ChmEarl: rmadison knows
[01:57] <TheEvilPhoenix> but i'm not sure of the method for that
[01:57] <ntoombs> TheEvilPhoenix: There is not an 8080 service but i could easily make one
[01:57] <chowder> ChmEarl, it doesn't say which version it is
[01:57] <ChmEarl> sorry apt-cache show
[01:57] <ntoombs> i was hoping to make this a public webserver so i don't want everyone to have to go through port 8080 to get to it
[01:58] <TheEvilPhoenix> ntoombs:  can i /query ya for a sec?
[01:58] <ntoombs> yea
[01:59] <chowder> ChmEarl, <IP_ADDRESS>.25
[01:59] <ChmEarl> chowder, not ready for xen dom0 -- you will have no support for domU
[01:59] <chowder> ChmEarl, so I need a later kernel?
[02:00] <ChmEarl> chowder, later or a build from source known to support xen
[02:00] <chowder> hmmm...this sucks.
[02:00] <ChmEarl> chowder, but as you said earlier, natty does have xen and xen-tools in repo, but no kernel yet
[02:01] <ChmEarl> sorry, not tools, xen-utils-4.1
[02:01] <chowder> recompiling the kernel takes 100 years...especially to go through all of those options
[02:02] <chowder> I'd rather just reinstall debian testing or something and save myself the headache
[02:02] <ChmEarl> chowder, do you know `kevin on ##xen? he has a solution in his ~/kernel tree
[02:03] <chowder> ChmEarl, never heard of him but I can contact him, I guess
[02:03] <ChmEarl> ask for the 2.6.38 dom0 kernel archive
[02:04] <chowder> I really don't care about the Dom0 too much. I just need it to be stable. After all, it will be managing my other vms
[02:07] <kirkland> serue_: hi, here now
[02:07] <serue_> kirkland: was just wondering whether you wanted the latest changes in lp:ecryptfs rolled into an oneiric release or not.
[02:08] <kirkland> serue_: yeah, definitely
[02:08] <kirkland> serue_: sooner the better, too
[02:08] <kirkland> serue_: poke me tomorrow and we'll walk through the release procedure
[02:08] <serue_> kirkland: d'oh, i'm out tomorrow and friday
[02:08] <kirkland> serue_: heh
[02:08] <kirkland> serue_: okay, Monday?
[02:08] <serue_> cool
[02:08] <serue_> thanks
[02:09] <serue_> kirkland: talk to you then
[02:47] <serue_> SpamapS: lxc?
[03:44] <SubSolar> Question, I was looking at an Ubuntu 9 machine yesterday that was being used as a file server for Windows clients.  But it looked like a stock/default smb.conf.  Can it be using a different config file located somewhere else?
[03:47] <qman__> first, there is no 'Ubuntu 9', there is 9.04 and 9.10; second, it's possible but it would have to have modified init scripts or be started in a different way
[03:48] <qman__> the 'homes' configuration is included but commented in the default file
[03:48] <qman__> it's likely they simply uncommented it
[03:48] <SubSolar> Hmm, it was /share
[03:49] <SubSolar> Also, I'm not sure if it's 9.04 or 9.10.  If I wanted to upgrade to the latest 11, can I do it straight or do I have to go from 9 to 10 to 11?
[03:49] <qman__> ubuntu version numbers don't work that way
[03:49] <qman__> I guess I wasn't clear on that
[03:50] <qman__> 9.04 would have to be first upgraded to 9.10, then 10.04, then 10.10, then 11.04
[03:50] <SubSolar> Oh, damn.
[03:50] <qman__> ubuntu version numbers are release dates
[03:50] <qman__> 9.04 is april 2009, etc
[03:51] <SubSolar> It may just be easier to format and install the latest ubuntu...
[03:51] <qman__> probably
[03:51] <SubSolar> since 9 is no longer getting updates
[03:51] <qman__> but I would suggest using 10.04 instead
[03:52] <qman__> because it will require less upgrades, as it will be able to upgrade directly to 12.04 when that comes out
[03:52] <qman__> otherwise you'll run into the exact same thing when 11.04 is out of date
[03:52] <e_t_> It usually is easier to do a clean install. For me, at least, it is also a good opportunity to de-cruft.
[03:53] <qman__> 10.04 still has a little under four years left on it
[03:53] <qman__> for server
[04:46] <rurufufuss> so I have this line in a bash script: convert "$i" -scale "12.5%"
[04:46] <rurufufuss> it takes in $i from for in in 'ls blah'
[04:46] <rurufufuss> how do I make that handle filenames that have spaces in the middel?
[04:49] <rurufufuss> whoops, only discovered that #bash exists
[04:49] <twb> rurufufuss: by not using ls
[04:50] <twb> But yeah, #bash is the place to ask
[08:52] <Tommy_> hi
[08:52] <Tommy_> how to correct very small fonts in ubuntu server version?
[08:53] <Tommy_> on CLI screen, I found only small fonts
[08:53] <Tommy_> I wish somebody could help me as it is burning issues nobody can solve
[08:58] <Tommy_> hello
[08:59] <Tommy_> hello , can you hear me ? is it late there on the line ? is it bed time ?
[09:00] <e_t_> For me, it's nearly 2AM.
[09:01] <e_t_> Also, consider that everyone here is a volunteer. If no one knows the answer to your question (as I do not), no one will respond.
[09:07] <Tommy_> oh
[09:07] <Tommy_> so what do you think I should do?
[09:07] <twb> Tommy_: dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
[09:07] <Tommy_> :(
[09:07] <twb> Tommy_: if that doesn't work, blacklist the framebuffer driver that's being loaded
[09:08] <twb> http://paste.debian.net/122845/
[09:08] <e_t_> You can connect to the server via SSH and use a graphical terminal program with adjustable font sizes.
[09:08] <twb> In the latter case, you'll need to run "update-initramfs -u -k all"
[09:09] <twb> e_t_: assuming he's silly enough to run a graphical system on his desktop :-P
[09:10] <Tommy_> How can I know if I use frame buffer or not
[09:10] <Tommy_> ?
[09:15] <twb> Tommy_: lsmod | grep fb
[09:40] <airtonix> twb: oh you
[09:41] <Tommy_> what?
[09:42] <Tommy_> i tried update-initramfs -u -k all. and rebooted. not ok yet
[09:43] <twb> airtonix:
[09:43] <twb> Sorry
[09:43] <twb> Tommy_: is it still loading a framebuffer driver?
[09:46] <Tommy_> i do not know how to to check if it is still loading framebuffer
[09:46] <Tommy_> but fonts is still small
[09:47] <twb> Tommy_: lsmod | grep fb
[09:49] <Tommy_> ok i will try
[09:56] <Tommy_> what should I read for you ?
[09:56] <twb> pastebin the output of that command
[09:57] <twb> Ok, that's odd.
[09:57] <twb> I jsut checked on my sid .38 system, and it has no fbcon module loaded
[09:57] <twb> But it *does* have i915 and drm_kms_helper
[10:00] <Tommy_> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/643950/
[11:48] <Fidelix> Hello, can someone help me with this? Jul 14 08:47:56 fidelix sshd[14040]: reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for<PHONE_NUMBER>6.user.veloxzone.com.br [<IP_ADDRESS>] failed - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN ATTEMPT!
[11:49] <Fidelix> I can't make a passwordless login on my server, and this appears in the server's /var/log/auth.log when I try to ssh
[12:05] <patdk-wk> it's just a warning, ignore it
[12:05] <patdk-wk> there isn't anything you can do about it, unless you bitch to your isp for a few months, they might fix it
[12:12] <_ruben> nothing you can do about the warning that is, passwordless logins oughta be a possibility still
[12:15] <Fidelix> I was only able to do a passwordless login after I set UseDNS no on sshd_config
[14:34] <zul> lovely mysql explicity depends on a gcc version now
[14:40] <Daviey> :o
[14:40] <skaet> yuk.
[14:40]  * skaet hopes its not an old version, and its a dependency on a specific bug implementation.... :P
[14:42] <hggdh> smoser: we need to test the new -proposed kernel for Hardy
[14:44] <hggdh> smoser: on EC2, forgot to mention, sorry
[14:48] <smoser> hggdh, what do you need (anything?) from me?
[14:49] <hggdh> smoser: I though we could run the Hardy with a --kernel= pointing to the lucid AKI
[14:50] <hggdh> darn! If I run on us-east1, I should provide an AKI from us-east1...
[15:13] <utlemming> smoser, hggdh: anything I can help with on testing the EC2 hardy kernel?
[15:14] <smoser> hggdh, wait...
[15:14] <smoser> if you wan tot test the -proposed kernel in hardy
[15:14] <smoser> then you boot the hardy image with the pv-grub kernel
[15:14] <smoser> and apt-get dist upgrade
[15:14] <smoser> and reboot
[15:15] <hggdh> smoser: yes -- with the --kernel pointing to the lucid pv-grub aki, correct?
[15:15] <smoser> yeah.
[15:15] <smoser> you confused me when you said "lucid AKI"
[15:15] <smoser> its not really a lucid AKI, but a generic (amazon owned) aki
[15:16] <hggdh> utlemming: I have it running now, thanks
[15:16] <hggdh> smoser: heh -- you published it in an email talking about Lucid, so I ass-u-med it was Lucid
[16:20] <patrickmw> jamespage: how's the jenkins ppa coming along?
[16:20] <jamespage> 7 packages to go
[16:20] <patrickmw> nice!
[16:20] <jamespage> currently unblocking something upstream in Debian
[16:21] <jamespage> (oh and thats oneiric archive - not PPA :-))
[16:21] <patrickmw> aww
[16:38] <semiosis> is there any way to have old versions preserved in a PPA?  currently whenever i upload a new version of a package the old version gets deleted.  can it keep them?
[16:41] <SpamapS> semiosis: when thats needed, its best to either have two PPA's, or add the version to the source package name.
[16:42] <semiosis> SpamapS: thanks thats what i was afraid of
[17:39] <foughala> hello
[17:39] <foughala> i want some help, please
[17:39] <foughala> about Wired Connection
[17:40] <foughala> i have two PCs
[17:40] <foughala> &  a switch
[17:40] <foughala> one PC with XP sp2
[17:40] <foughala> and this one with Ubuntu 11.04
[20:00] <xibalba_> good afternoon folks
[20:00] <xibalba_> i need a little help getting ubuntu 10.04 LTS installed ona Super Micro box with RAID 1
[20:01] <xibalba_> i went through the install once, and it completed successfully.
[20:01] <xibalba_> upon reboot i was dropped into a command prompt "grub rescue>"
[20:01] <xibalba_> i'm re-running the ubuntu install right now, thinking i messed up the grub settings somewhere. I wantd to know if anyone had any advice or input on this install type
[20:04] <lucidl> what's the safest way to upgrade to a newer release of a application that is in a newer release of ubuntu, into a older release
[20:07] <lucidl> I want to  install nut 2.6 branch instead of the 2.4.3 that is in lucid server
[20:08] <xibalba_> looks like i should go the fakeraid router maybe
[20:08] <xibalba_> i thought the intel stuff would be supported, it's an ich10r
[20:21] <pythonirc101> I've a ubuntu server that is connected on the web using dhcp. What is the easiest way to configure it so that I can access it from outside? (from anywhere -- the dhcp is a 192.xxx ip)
[20:24] <e_t_> pythonirc101: set up port forwarding on your Internet-facing router to forward port 80 traffic to the server.
[20:56] <jamespage> smoser: python-boto 2.0 \o/
[20:56] <smoser> :)
[20:56] <smoser> let the fallout begin
[20:56] <jamespage> hehe
[21:06] <Daviey> smoser: eeeek
[21:06] <pythonirc101> e_t_: I would like to do ssh and http or anything else from outside so that i can forward the packets to this machine using a name or static ip perhaps.
[21:06] <Daviey> you've busted everything
[21:06] <Daviey> jamespage: ygm
[21:07] <jamespage> Daviey: ygm to
[21:07] <Daviey> so i have!
[21:10] <e_t_> pythonirc101: The static IP will be on your router. You can buy a domain name from any of the registrars and assign that name to your static IP. After that, you still need port forwarding because a server with a 192... address cannot be reached from the Internet. You can forward all the ports you desire, though you should only forward those for services you're actually using.
[21:12] <pythonirc101> e_t_: I dont have a static ip
[21:12] <pythonirc101> my network administrator gives me only a dhcp connection
[21:12] <pythonirc101> which is good for browsing and such but not running servers
[21:13] <e_t_> pythonirc101: dyndns.org
[21:13] <pythonirc101> e_t_: exactly. Now, can i use commandline from ubuntu server to configure dyndns?
[21:14] <e_t_> pythonirc101: sudo apt-get install dyndns gets you the update client.
[21:16] <pythonirc101> thanks
[21:16] <pythonirc101> e_t_: how do i get a name?
[21:16] <pythonirc101> can it be done from the commandline?
[21:18] <pythonirc101> e_t_: perhaps this will work : http://en.kioskea.net/faq/718-installing-a-dyndns-client ?
[21:18] <e_t_> pythonirc101: No. You'll need to visit the dyndns website and set up an account. I think you can get a subdomain (i.e. pythonirc.dyndns.org) for free. After that, you configure the client program according to the instructions you posted.
[21:19] <pythonirc101> e_t_: if i have 20 such machines to run, then this doesnt sound like a good solution :(
[21:19] <utlemming> smoser: ping
[21:19] <pythonirc101> hence i wanted a commandline solution
[21:20] <smoser> here
[21:20] <smoser> but not for long utlemming
[21:20] <e_t_> pythonirc101: Perhaps you should describe your setup in more detail. There might be alternate solutions.
[21:20] <utlemming> smoser: k
[21:20] <utlemming> do you want to sync up tomorrow morning then on the training thingy for Monday?
[21:21] <smoser> yes
[21:21] <utlemming> kees, I'll ping you around 10:30ish (GMT-0:600)
[21:22] <utlemming> Interesting...apparently my IRC client replaces k\, with kees
[21:23] <kees> heh :)
[21:23] <utlemming> lol
[21:23] <utlemming> smoser: I'll ping you around 10:30ish (GMT-06:00) if that works for you
[21:23] <smoser> good deal
[21:54] <zul> kees: i need to bug you tomorrow about a couple of openstack things
[22:03] <CrazyGir> hello! forgive me if this is not the best place this question, but I'm not sure who else to direct this to, and I'm using kvm/libvirt & ubuntu-server, which it seems like a fair number of folks here are skilled with :)
[22:05] <e_t_> !ask | CrazyGir
[22:05] <CrazyGir> I have inherited responsibility over a set of VM servers and their VMs. I did not setup the servers themselves or the networking setup (which is a little complicated). These servers were originally going to be in a 2-node active-active cluster, but we ran into so many issues with that, the admin working on the systems separated them and they are now standalone (the networking config was left as is though)
[22:06] <CrazyGir> I'm getting there, sorry, a lot to sort through and figure out what to say
[22:06] <CrazyGir> I have been creating VMs on one of these systems, and am having a difficult time figuring out what I need to do to get network connections from the external interface to the VMs themselves
[22:07] <e_t_> What you have to do is set up the VM host as a router. I can walk you through it.
[22:08] <CrazyGir> that might already be done
[22:09] <e_t_> Then you set up some iptables rules to do Network Address Translation, from the VMs to the outside.
[22:09] <alamar> .o(eh.. what vm technology are we talking about?)
[22:09] <alamar> ah
[22:09] <alamar> i c, didnt scroll up enough
[22:10] <CrazyGir> e_t_: how can I review/look at the current config there
[22:11] <CrazyGir> I'm not as skilled in ubuntu/linux as I am in BSD
[22:11] <CrazyGir> right now I have a bridge interface setup with an external IP
[22:11] <e_t_> iptables -L or iptables -t nat -L will show any current iptables rules.
[22:11] <CrazyGir> then a virtual bridge setup for the VM subnet
[22:13] <CrazyGir> wow that cmd is slooooow
[22:13] <e_t_> For me it's nearly instantaneous.
[22:13] <CrazyGir> hrm
[22:13] <CrazyGir> not here
[22:14] <sparc> maybe add a -n
[22:14] <sparc> to avoid dns resolution
[22:14] <CrazyGir> this makes me miss pf
[22:14] <CrazyGir> so I see this, which is related to the vm subnet: MASQUERADE  all  --  <IP_ADDRESS>/24    !<IP_ADDRESS>/24
[22:14] <CrazyGir> and two others, one ecah for TCP/UDP
[22:15] <CrazyGir> that's outbound? source is .122.x and destination is anything else, am I understanding that correctly?
[22:15] <e_t_> OK. That looks like it was set up with virt-manager. If you've got that program, you can handle the networks graphically.
[22:16] <CrazyGir> virt-manager would run on the server?
[22:16] <CrazyGir> e_t_: could the DRDB Management Console potentially have done thi?
[22:16] <CrazyGir> that
[22:16] <CrazyGir> *that
[22:16] <e_t_> virt-manager is kind of cool in that it can connect to a remote kvm, but it can be run locally.
[22:17] <e_t_> I have no knowledge of DRDB.
[22:17] <CrazyGir> hmm.. I could probably get that setup in my xubuntu (local) vm
[22:20] <pltmnky> I'm having trouble getting a qlogic IBA7322 HCA card recognized. The libraries are installed, the udev rules are in place, however the device is never populated.
[22:20] <pltmnky> running ubuntu server 10.04
[22:20] <pltmnky> it is an infiniband card
[22:24] <e_t_> CrazyGir: You could also ask in #virt (OFTC).
[22:25] <CrazyGir> for what? the network config?
[22:25] <e_t_> For anything libvirt related.
[22:26] <CrazyGir> hah
[22:26] <CrazyGir> ok, well how should I go about working with / configuring these bridges to get from ext --> VM?
[22:27] <CrazyGir> the virt-manager isn't able to connect, so if I can do this on the cli, that is fine
[22:27] <e_t_> You want services running on the VMs to be accessible from outside?
[22:27] <CrazyGir> yep, HTTP/etc
[22:28] <e_t_> OK. That's port forwarding (it seems like that's the topic du jour).
[22:28] <sarkis> what are these services in here /usr/share/dbus-1/services
[22:28] <sarkis> used for?
[22:29] <sarkis> how can i restart a certain service from that folder?
[22:29] <CrazyGir> e_t_: for the immediate moment, port forwarding would be fine
[22:29] <CrazyGir> in the future I would want to give some VMs ext IPs
[22:31] <CrazyGir> e_t_: so iptables is what I should use to setup port forwarding?
[22:31] <e_t_> CrazyGir: Yes. Here's a guide http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/73
[22:32] <CrazyGir> thanks for the direction here :)
[22:33] <CrazyGir> e_t_: are iptables commands entered via the cli, or is there a set of files you edit?
[22:34] <e_t_> Command line. However, they are wiped out on reboot, so you'll want to enter anything you want to keep into a script to be run at boot.
[22:34] <CrazyGir> hah!
[22:35] <CrazyGir> oh what joy :)
[22:35] <CrazyGir> is there anything in ubuntu that exists already as the "standard" script to add such iptables commands?
[22:36] <e_t_> Not that I know of. You can add the commands to /etc/rc.local, or make a separate script and call it from rc.local.
[22:36] <CrazyGir> oies
[22:36] <CrazyGir> *okies
[22:40] <CrazyGir> ok, so I have those rules in place, forwarding 8000 on the ext IP to 8000 on one specific VM
[22:40] <CrazyGir> nothing gets through (browser times out, and http on the VM doesn't see anything) so is there a way I can confirm the TCP packets are even getting through to the VM?
[22:44] <e_t_> ping or traceroute
[22:47] <CrazyGir> oh nice! tcpdump to the rescure
[22:47] <CrazyGir> *rescue
[22:48] <CrazyGir> ok, I can confirm the packets getting through the server and off to the vm
[22:48] <e_t_> But not coming back?
[22:48] <CrazyGir> not getting to the VM
[22:49] <CrazyGir> tcpdump run on the VM sees nothing
[22:50] <CrazyGir> no iptables rules are setup on the VM
[22:51] <CrazyGir> so I don't quite understand what is getting in the way
[22:54] <CrazyGir> any thoughts / suggestions, not sure what to dig into next here
[22:54] <e_t_> There shouldn't be an iptables on the VM itself.
[22:54] <CrazyGir> there aren't
[22:54] <CrazyGir> I'm able to SSH to the VM from the VM server
[22:55] <CrazyGir> so I know the VM is setup correctly in that sense
[22:55] <e_t_> Can you pastebin the output of ifconfig on the VM server?
[22:56] <CrazyGir> sure
[22:56] <CrazyGir> it's long, cause of all the VLAN/etc config for the original setup that is nolonger
[22:59] <CrazyGir> 22:48:39.259017 IP ppp-x-x-x-x.XXX.net.44372 > <IP_ADDRESS>.8001: Flags [S], seq<PHONE_NUMBER>, win 8192, options [mss 1442,nop,nop,sackOK], length 0
[22:59] <CrazyGir> e_t_: this is from tcpdump, does this confirm the packet was SENT to the .218 IP?
[23:00] <CrazyGir> or just that it is destined for the IP
[23:00] <e_t_> That just says it was sent.
[23:01] <e_t_> You might also paste /etc/network/interfaces
[23:03] <CrazyGir> there's a lot here i need to santize out :(
[23:03] <CrazyGir> well, not a whole lot, but some
[23:06] <CrazyGir> e_t_: http://dpaste.com/568852/
[23:06] <CrazyGir> there's more in ifconfig
[23:06] <pltmnky> ignore my question, qlogic cards use a mellanox chipset, had to install the mellanox drivers
[23:07] <CrazyGir> that is good to know
[23:09] <CrazyGir> e_t_: thoughts?
[23:10] <e_t_> CrazyGir: It looks to me as though a lot of things a jumbled together in there, though that may be a result of sanitization.
[23:10] <e_t_> s/a/are
[23:14] <e_t_> This is a single VM server? If so, I would set it up to have one external IP (maybe bonded NICs, but one IP). There should be only one bridge interface, bound to eth0, and then all the VMs connected to that bridge interface.
[23:14] <mfdl> Anyone have some time to work me through an installation issue?
[23:15] <CrazyGir> e_t_: I believe that is exactly how it is setup, but with some other cruft (eg from drdb link between the two servers in the original cluster, etc)
[23:18] <e_t_> CrazyGir: Well, I saw two bridges, an eth1, and an eth0.7 (0.0 - 0.6?). If there's a lot of networking cruft, it may be causing hidden routing errors.
[23:21] <CrazyGir> hmmm
[23:21] <CrazyGir> I know!
[23:21] <CrazyGir> nginx to the rescue
[23:21] <CrazyGir> for now I'll use nginx on the vm server :)
[23:22]  * e_t_ has no idea how that will help.
[23:22] <CrazyGir> it will help me get the immediate need resolved while making time for me to sort out these more complicated issues
[23:22] <CrazyGir> the VM server can hit the VM network just fine, so I can use nginx as a reverse proxy
[23:36] <CrazyGir> e_t_: how can I remove iptables rules?
[23:37] <CrazyGir> err... remove _only_ those that I had added before
[23:43] <e_t_> That's a little more difficult. iptables --flush will wipe everything.
[23:43] <CrazyGir> yea
[23:43] <e_t_> Which commands did you enter before?
[23:43] <CrazyGir> I guess I could reboot, provided that the existing stuff is all in iptables
[23:43] <e_t_> Rebooting would fix it.
[23:44] <CrazyGir> from http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/73
[23:44] <CrazyGir> it actually looks like ufw was used to configure this vm server
[23:44] <CrazyGir> I imagine ufw has a way of persisting rules
[23:45] <e_t_> it does
[23:47] <CrazyGir> so a reboot will fix this
[23:47] <e_t_> It should.
[23:47] <CrazyGir> okies, thanks for your help! I'm going to take a break on this and come back with a fresh mind laters ;)


[01:09] <|Slacker|> does xubuntun go well on a 512mb ram system?
[01:13] <GridCube> it wont fly but yes
[01:13] <GridCube> |Slacker|, if you care a lot about performance more than other things try lubuntu, or even tinycore if you just want to internets, but thats just me
[01:22] <|Slacker|> I have an old lappy...just want something a bit faster than ubuntu 11.10, it's too sluggish here...
[01:22] <pleia2> I'd give it a try and see what you think, everyone has a different tolerance for "slow" :)
[01:25] <|Slacker|> alright
[01:25] <|Slacker|> I'lll give it a try
[01:25] <|Slacker|> thanks people
[01:37] <mongy> gnight
[01:51] <Marzata> lubuntu is not serious.
[01:52] <pleia2> this isn't really the place to make disparaging comments about other flavors
[01:56] <aguitel> how to add item in aplication menu in xfce ?
[01:56] <pleia2> aguitel: what version of xubuntu?
[01:57] <aguitel> pleia2, i am in fedora 16
[01:57] <pleia2> I don't know what version of xfce that uses, pre 4.8 you needed to manually edit, 4.8 and onward you can use the alacart package to edit the menu
[01:58] <pleia2> (not sure what the alacart package is called in fedora either)
[01:59] <aguitel> pleia2, same name
[01:59] <aguitel> need to install alacarte in xfce ?
[01:59] <pleia2> you can use alacarte to edit the xfce menu in 4.8, yes
[02:00] <aguitel> pleia2, i think alacarte is from gnome only
[02:00] <aguitel> pleia2, ok
[02:00] <paulBird> i have no ~/.themes folder , any help haha?
[02:01] <pleia2> aguitel: xfce shares a lot with gnome, they both use gtk and the menu editor is the same
[02:01] <aguitel> pleia2, ok
[02:01] <pleia2> paulBird: I don't either, what problem are you trying to solve?
[02:02] <paulBird> hah! and i want to install a XFCE theme
[02:02] <pleia2> paulBird: you can just mkdir .themes
[02:02] <paulBird> are you sure???!
[02:03] <paulBird> but will the OS know that thats where to look for default themes??...
[02:03] <pleia2> (I haven't ever installed a custom theme, but if you need a themes directory called .themes/ that's what you should do to create it)
[02:03] <pleia2> it should
[02:03] <paulBird> its worth a shot.. one min..
[02:07] <paulBird> i found
[02:07] <paulBird> the correct dir for themes :)
[02:08] <paulBird> /usr/share/themes, pleia2
[02:09] <paulBird> :)
[02:09] <pleia2> .themes/ is for a single user, /usr/share/themes will make them available to all users on the system
[02:10] <paulBird> well thats fine (for me, i have only 1 user)
[02:17] <aguitel> pleia2, i installed alacarte ,where is it? how launch it ?
[02:19] <pleia2> aguitel: I've never used it :) but you should be able to at least launch it from a terminal, or with the alt+f2 prompt
[02:20] <paulBird> adding my theme to /usr/share/themes didn't work
[02:20] <aguitel> pleia2, say this :ImportError: No module named gmenu
[02:20] <paulBird> it didnt show up in settings>appearance :(
[02:21] <pleia2> paulBird: settings > Window Manager
[02:21] <pleia2> it should show up under "themes"
[02:21] <pleia2> appearance is something different
[02:21] <paulBird> pleia2: Thank you ha!
[02:22] <pleia2> aguitel: I'm really not familar enough with fedora, I'm sorry :(
[02:22] <paulBird> how do i get a transparent terminal window? i see that a lot..
[02:22] <aguitel> pleia2, no problem
[02:23] <pleia2> paulBird: you can either use a terminal that has transparency built in, or go to "window manager tweaks" and enable compositing and edit transparency for everything there
[02:24] <pleia2> I use rxvt-unicode and launch with: rxvt-unicode -bg black -fg white +sb -tr -sh 10
[02:24] <pleia2> that makes it transparent with shading of "10"
[02:25] <Pubuntu> thank you
[02:30] <Pubuntu> what is rxvt? some window manager?
[02:31] <Pubuntu> i just don't want it to slow me down
[02:31] <pleia2> it's a light weight terminal
[02:31] <Pubuntu> cool
[02:44] <kj4> hello all
[02:45] <kj4> hehe. i thot the channel was silent for days turns out i had paged up
[02:46]  * w30 never has done that.............
[02:46] <w30> only a few hours
[02:47] <w30> ha
[02:49] <kj4> yeah, i meant minutes
[02:49] <kj4> oh wait, 1 minute
[02:49] <kj4> how silly of you to have done that for hours
[03:24] <Chr|s_> anyone ever have an error when opening up your home folder "The Folder Could not be opened: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken."
[03:25] <Chr|s_> it only does it once till I log off and back on again
[03:28] <Chr|s_> doh
[07:22] <Scuzzball> I've tried googling this, but I can tell I'm wording it funny. I'm booting Xubuntu off a flash drive, and whenever I boot, there is that screen with options to boot off the flash drive, test the memory, boot off the primary hard drive, and some other stuff.  Is it possible to remove that screen, or at least change the default time on it?
[07:22] <holstein> Scuzzball: sure... but not easily... and not from the live USB
[07:22] <Scuzzball> Okay. Thanks.
[07:23] <holstein> i think the easiest way would be to get an alternate CD, and install to the USB stick, putting grub there
[07:23] <holstein> then, you'd just have the same GRUB options as you have with a normal installation
[07:23] <holstein> you might find some 3rd party USB booting options too... multiboot?
[07:24] <holstein> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/
[07:24] <holstein> ^^ im not sure if this has those options or not... might be a waste of time
[07:24] <holstein> otherwise, we are talking about editing the live CD its self... totally doable... not trivial
[07:24] <Scuzzball> That actually might be helpful for completely different reasons.
[07:25] <Scuzzball> How would you edit the livecd?
[07:25] <holstein> Scuzzball: well, i wouldnt ;)
[07:25] <Scuzzball> Not the way you do it, but what you would do to it.
[07:25] <Scuzzball> Okay.
[07:26] <holstein> but i would start with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[07:26] <holstein> the ways i have personally tried to build live CD's dont have those options
[07:28] <Scuzzball> Okay, that is cool.
[07:28] <Scuzzball> And makes lots of sense.
[07:30] <holstein> Scuzzball: im heading out... try #ubuntu-beginners if no one is around in here... o/
[07:30] <Scuzzball> Okay, thank you very much.
[07:30] <holstein> Scuzzball: not that you are a beginner.. just a nice, helpful, slower channel
[07:30] <Scuzzball> Makes sens.
[07:31] <Scuzzball> And it turns out that the boot menu is just some form of grub.
[07:31] <Scuzzball> So I think I can set the timeout to 0.
[09:17] <pkug> Hi there, I'm trying to minimize memory consumption on my system.. i'm quite surprised that with Xubuntu I always get most of my RAM used (it's 512 MB) even with some services, modules disabled.. eventually it starts to swap and system becomes really slow. Would compiling a custom kernel help here in someway ?
[09:17] <TheSheep> pkug: I don't think so
[09:17] <TheSheep> pkug: but you can try
[09:18] <Marzata> how much is most ram comparing it to the rest?
[09:18] <pkug> pkug@acer:~$ free
[09:18] <pkug>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[09:18] <pkug> Mem:        433168     423912       9256          0      74232     193464
[09:19] <pkug> I'm really not sure what's eating it, couldn't find anything suspicious in the process list (top/ps).
[09:20] <pkug> ant i disabled some services and modules i don't need (like reiserfs which eats quite a bit..).
[09:21] <TheSheep> pkug: try xrestop
[09:23] <Marzata> 512 MB will be fine for ubuntu server + openbox, but for xfce you'll need more to run it properly.
[09:27] <pkug> that's weird.. was using Gentoo with xfce with even less memory, also other UNIX-like systems. Totally looks like kernel problem, I guess I should compile it without the stuff I need (turn off 1-2GB memory support etc.)
[09:28] <Marzata> ubuntu server runs on less than 50 megs
[09:28] <Marzata> on 28 megs to be correct
[09:30] <TheSheep> once the apps like web browsers start allocating video buffers in xorg, it starts to need a lot of ram
[09:31] <Marzata> then just use lynx and you'll be sustainable :D
[09:33] <pkug> i already use midori.
[09:34] <TheSheep> pkug: use xrestop and see how many x resources that takes
[09:34] <pkug> do you guys know if it's possible to run generic upstream kernel (from kernel.org) with config from scratch without many hassles ?
[09:34] <Marzata> why midori? lynx uses times less resources.
[09:35] <Marzata> pkug: then you will probably make your own distro.
[09:36] <TheSheep> !kernel
[09:36] <TheSheep> !mainline
[09:36] <pkug> not really, it's just kernel.. I want to use Xubuntu userland since i like it a lot.
[09:36] <TheSheep> here you go
[09:40] <Marzata> just installed xubu 12.04 on 512 MB VBox, it uses 150 MB
[09:52] <Scuzzball> At this point, I may be trying to go in the completely wrong direction.
[09:52] <Scuzzball> I'm trying to remove the installer boot menu.
[09:53] <Scuzzball> As nowhere seems to talk about it, I'm hoping installing grub will override it.
[09:53] <Scuzzball> But I can't install grub to a flash drive, as I keep doing stuff wrong.
[09:53] <Scuzzball> Is it the best plan to try to continue installing grub?
[09:56] <Asturio> Hi there. Anyone using xubuntu in a dual head configuration?
[10:28] <Da|Mummy> im having trouble enabling sound output through USB
[11:21] <mongy> good morning fellow xubuntians
[11:28] <Da|Mummy> im quickly falling in love with xubuntu. love the snappiness of xfce. im coming across some minor things that are bugging me though
[11:31] <mongy> ?
[11:33] <Da|Mummy> for one, i cant get audio output to usb
[11:36] <mongy> not something I've ever tried.  what sound server you using?  alsa or pulse
[11:38] <Da|Mummy> i guess xubuntu stock, which seems to be pulse now that i see, i guess i'll try alsa
[11:39] <mongy> could try installing pavcontrol and playing around with the config a bit..you might be able to see/select it there
[11:47] <Da|Mummy> great! that fixed it. i need my headphones going through amp :}
[11:57] <mongy> what fixed it
[12:06] <Da|Mummy> pavucontrol for some reason, just changing every app that has sound to output to USB Audio DAC. no idea why it doesnt work in stock sound settings using alsa though
[12:07] <Da|Mummy> the other issue is, my wifi seems rather crippled.
[12:07] <Da|Mummy> good, but not what im supposed to have, or what i had with ubuntu
[12:11] <mongy> what chipset
[12:12] <mongy> about the usb sound, maybe alsa was muted
[12:31] <jimbopea> hi, wondering if someone could help me sort my resolution out. stuck at 1024x768 but its 1280x800. thans
[12:36] <Da|Mummy> what have you tried so far?
[12:36] <mongy> xrandr -q
[12:37] <mongy> gives a list of resolutions.
[12:38] <mongy> save me some time.. someone I helped some time ago. http://askubuntu.com/questions/63863/unknown-monitor-intel-driver-want-to-set-vga-resolution-to-widescreen-tv
[12:41] <jimbopea> tried qrandr, looked for xorg.conf but cant seem to find it. will follow that lint now
[12:42] <jimbopea> just checked and its an sis771/671
[12:43] <mongy> not really important, just follow the xrandr commands and adjust to suit your own system
[12:46] <jimbopea> is grandr the same, because "Package xrandr is not available"
[12:47] <jimbopea> in grandr though shows highest of 1024x768
[12:48] <mongy> od.d just install it.  its a minimal shell utility
[12:49] <mongy> odd*
[12:50] <jimbopea> Package xrandr is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:50] <jimbopea> However the following packages replace it:
[12:50] <jimbopea>   x11-xserver-utils
[12:51] <mongy> yeah I just tried it.  a new thing in 11.10 it seems.  install it then
[12:51] <mongy> I can't vouch for any other randr util, only ever used xrandr and did the job
[12:51] <jimbopea> x11-xserver-utils is already installed, however nothing happens when i type the command in
[12:52] <mongy> it's installed on mine already.. works.
[12:52] <jimbopea> do i have to type x11-xserver-utils into command line? sorry for being a noob :-(
[12:53] <mongy> no, xrandr
[12:53] <mongy> sudo apt-get install --reinstall x11-xserver-utils
[12:53] <jimbopea> xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
[12:53] <jimbopea> Screen 0: minimum 640 x 480, current 1024 x 768, maximum 1024 x 768
[12:54] <jimbopea> default connected 1024x768+0+0 0mm x 0mm
[12:54] <jimbopea> 1024x768       61.0*
[12:54] <mongy> you'l have to add a new mode then if you want higher than 1024
[12:54] <jimbopea> 800x600        61.0
[12:54] <jimbopea> how do i do that?
[12:54] <mongy> as I said, follow http://askubuntu.com/a/64125/26198
[12:55] <mongy> cvt 1280 800      to begin with
[12:56] <jimbopea> get this error when i try to add mode
[12:56] <jimbopea> xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
[12:56] <jimbopea> ok i did cvt 1280 800
[12:57] <jimbopea> gave me this
[12:57] <jimbopea> # 1280x800 59.81 Hz (CVT 1.02MA) hsync: 49.70 kHz; pclk: 83.50 MHz
[12:57] <jimbopea> Modeline "1280x800_60.00"   83.50  1280 1352 1480 1680  800 803 809 831 -hsync +vsync
[12:57] <Scuzzball> Okay, I have a network question. I don't have wireless drivers yet, so I'm running over an ethernet cable. I can't ping google.com. But I can ping it's IP. I manually set my DNS server to <IP_ADDRESS> (Google's DNS server for when comcast screws up), but it still doesn't work.
[12:59] <mongy> jimbopea: follow the guide.   --newmode
[12:59] <mongy> jimbopea: xrandr --newmode "1280x800_60.00"   83.50  1280 1352 1480 1680  800 803 809 831 -hsync +vsync
[13:02] <mongy> jimbopea: xrandr --addmode default 1280x800_60.00
[13:03] <mongy> jimbopea: xrandr --output default --mode 1280x800_60.00
[13:03] <jimbopea> did that and got this error
[13:03] <jimbopea> xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
[13:03] <jimbopea> on the addmode--
[13:05] <jimbopea> newmode-- sorry
[13:05] <jimbopea> followed by this line X Error of failed request:  BadName (named color or font does not exist)
[13:06] <mongy> hmm.. stumped
[13:07] <jimbopea> could it be because of the driver? thanks btw
[13:09] <mongy> is that the only one listed, 'default'
[13:09] <mongy> when you xrandr -q
[13:10] <mayyin1> I want to sign out Ubuntu One. I can't find the logout button.
[13:12] <mongy> try arandr, its a gui, looks ok
[13:14] <jimbopea> brb
[13:15] <mongy> or install xfonts-100dpi and xfonts-75dpi
[13:15] <mongy> if they are missing.....
[13:17] <mongy> Scuzzball: where did you set the dns
[13:18] <Scuzzball> In settings -> Network Connections -> wired -> edit -> IPV4 settings
[13:18] <Scuzzball> Chaned metod to "Automatic(DHCP) adresses only
[13:18] <Scuzzball> And added <IP_ADDRESS> to DNS servers.
[13:18] <Scuzzball> I didn't touch Search domains or DHCP client ID.
[13:19] <Scuzzball> Should I have?
[13:21] <mongy> not needed, normally.  what does the connection info say
[13:22] <Scuzzball> Says the DNS is <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:22] <mongy> I just did the same thing and works
[13:22] <mongy> it did reconnect though, did yours?
[13:22] <Scuzzball> I forced it to, so yes.
[13:23] <mongy> cat /etc/resolv.conf says?
[13:23] <Scuzzball> ...
[13:23] <Scuzzball> Input/output error
[13:24] <mongy> huh
[13:24] <mongy> ll /etc/resolv.conf  what are the perms
[13:25] <Scuzzball> ...Question marks.
[13:25] <mongy> oh dear.   sudo chmod 644 /etc/resolv.conf
[13:25] <mongy> wonder what/how network-manager did that..
[13:25] <Scuzzball> Cant access it.
[13:26] <Scuzzball> I could try replacing it with an empty file in windows.
[13:26] <Scuzzball> I'm running from a flash drive, by the way.
[13:26] <mongy> live?
[13:26] <Scuzzball> Yah.
[13:27] <mongy> yeah, remove and remake it with nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:27] <Scuzzball> Oh, resolv.conf.tmp has that.
[13:27] <Scuzzball> I'll just copy it over.
[13:28] <Scuzzball> Or not, doesn't work.
[13:28] <mongy> reboot and try again?  it's live mode
[13:29] <Scuzzball> Huh. 7-zip doesn't support deleting it.
[13:30] <Scuzzball> And the size is zero according to 7zip.
[13:30] <Scuzzball> Permissions are -r--r--r--
[13:30] <mongy> 7zip, what?
[13:30] <Scuzzball> File compression program in windows.
[13:30] <mongy> yeah, I know, but, Why?
[13:31] <Scuzzball> Cause I wanted to look at the files?
[13:31] <Scuzzball> That are in filesystem.squashfs in the casper directory on the flashdrive?
[13:31] <mongy> you aint supposed to mess with that
[13:31] <Scuzzball> I know.
[13:31] <Scuzzball> So?
[13:31] <Scuzzball> Haven't changed anything there.
[13:31] <mongy> and now you have probs..
[13:31] <Scuzzball> Fair enough.
[13:31] <Scuzzball> I'll try a reinstall then.
[13:32] <mongy> maybe it's a bad iso you used to write to the usb
[13:32] <Scuzzball> Don't think so, got it from the official torrent.
[13:32] <mongy> or sometihng went wry when making the usb stick.
[13:34] <jimbopea> arandr throwing up errors aswell :-/
[13:38] <jimbopea> ok, if i go into display settings now 1280x800 is there, however when i choose it nothing changes
[13:40] <mongy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution#Setting_resolution_changes_in_xorg.conf  see if you can make sense of that
[13:44] <Scuzzball> Weee, hashes don't check out.
[13:45] <Scuzzball> Oh, wait I just suck at reading.
[13:46] <Scuzzball> Torrent protocol has a built in hash checking.
[13:46] <Scuzzball> Cool.
[13:49] <mongy> can you boot the iso in vmware/vbox and test it
[13:49] <mongy> see if the problem exists still
[14:16] <mongy> jimbopea: post your question on askubuntu, someone with more info might be able to help.
[14:17] <QuantoR> Hi, im on a intel 64bit CPU. Which xubuntu version should i download? the amd 64 or the i386?
[14:18] <mongy> amd64
[14:18] <QuantoR> ok, thc
[14:18] <QuantoR> thx*
[14:19] <QuantoR> why is it still named amd64?
[14:19] <jimbopea> didnt amd release the first 64bit instruction set
[14:19] <jimbopea> think its something to do with that
[14:20] <TheSheep> QuantoR: because Intel and AMD had different, incompatible 64bit architectures and in the end AMD's proved to be better and survived
[14:21] <TheSheep> QuantoR: today both intel and amd (and others) processors use that architecture
[14:21] <QuantoR> ah ok
[14:21] <QuantoR> thx!
[14:39] <Scuzzball> Works now.
[15:32] <Scuzzball> Okay, new batch of problems.
[15:33] <Scuzzball> While running sudo apt-get upgrade, I get "cryptsetup: WARNING: could not determine root device from /etc/fstab
[15:33] <Scuzzball> And right before that, "cryptsetup: WARNING: failed to detect canonical decvice of overlayfs"
[15:33] <mongy> Scuzzball: igmore it.
[15:33] <mongy> ignore even
[15:33] <Scuzzball> Okay.
[15:34] <Scuzzball> Even though it seems to have stopped?
[15:34] <mongy> do you have any encrypted partitions?
[15:34] <Scuzzball> Nope.
[15:34] <mongy> igmore it anyway..  I use it and had that once in 11.04, still worked.
[15:34] <Scuzzball> Should I kill it and restart the update?
[15:34] <mongy> ahhhh me and my typos
[15:34] <Scuzzball> Hah.
[15:35] <mongy> it's just a message when upgrading the package
[15:35] <Scuzzball> Okay.
[15:36] <mongy> you installed this then?
[15:38] <Scuzzball> No, I just ran upgrade.
[15:38] <Scuzzball> And it still hasn't done anything since.
[15:38] <Scuzzball> Sense?
[15:38] <Scuzzball> Something.
[15:38] <Scuzzball> Sound the same.
[15:40] <mongy> upgrade on a live?
[15:49] <Scuzzball> Yeah.
[15:49] <Scuzzball> It's on USB, and it has a persistant file of probably near seven GB.
[15:49] <Scuzzball> It's an 8GB flash drive.
[15:49] <Scuzzball> And the upgrade still hasn't moved.
[15:52] <mongy> ouch
[15:52] <Scuzzball> Think I'm going to kill it and restart it.
[15:52] <Scuzzball> At worst I reinstall again.
[15:52] <mongy> it will be very slow on a usb
[15:53] <Scuzzball> Oh, entire computer is frozen.
[15:53] <mongy> check iotop -o to see what its doing
[15:53] <mongy> oops
[15:53] <mongy> ctrl alt f1
[15:54] <mongy> see if it gives you a login to tty
[15:54] <Scuzzball> ...Huh.
[15:54] <Scuzzball> The battery was loose and fell out.
[15:54] <Scuzzball> I didn't know batteries could do that.
[15:54] <mongy> lol
[15:54] <Scuzzball> Well, restarting...
[15:56] <Scuzzball> sudo userdel -r username is the one that removes everything, right?
[15:56] <mongy> yup
[15:58] <Scuzzball> Okay, now it's asking me what my preferred terminal emulator is.
[15:58] <Scuzzball> The only option is other.
[15:58] <Ryllez89> !iphone
[15:59] <Ryllez89> !rockbox
[16:02] <Scuzzball> It said dpkg was interrupted, run 'dudo dpkg --configure -a' to fix it.
[16:02] <Scuzzball> Running that.
[16:02] <Scuzzball> How can I force a user to log out?
[16:03] <Scuzzball> It stuck me with an account called ubuntu, no password, and admin rights.
[16:03] <Scuzzball> And it won't let me delte it, claims it's logged in.
[16:04] <mongy> that's the live user
[16:05] <Scuzzball> Yeah.
[16:05] <Scuzzball> I managed to delete it last time, not sure how.
[16:05] <mongy> add another user and login and remove
[16:05] <Scuzzball> Well, the command "I have." doesn't exist.
[16:05] <Scuzzball> Oops.
[16:06] <Scuzzball> But yeah, it says it's logged in.
[16:07] <mongy> killall -u ubuntu
[16:08] <Scuzzball> Cannot find user ubuntu.
[16:08] <mongy> made another user?
[16:08] <Scuzzball> I have.
[16:08] <mongy> who -u
[16:08] <Scuzzball> I think it may have lied at me, I'll restart and see what's up.
[16:09] <Scuzzball> Says ubuntu is on.
[16:09] <mongy> know the id?
[16:09] <Scuzzball> But whoami returns me.
[16:09] <Scuzzball> The process ID?
[16:09] <mongy> ye
[16:09] <Scuzzball> Yeah, I can kill those.
[16:10] <Scuzzball> Still there.
[16:10] <Scuzzball> Even though I killed them.
[16:10] <mongy> killall -9 whatever
[16:11] <Scuzzball> Process doesn't exist.
[16:11] <Scuzzball> But who -u still claims it does.
[16:11] <Scuzzball> So I'm going to restart and see if the user is still ther.
[16:12] <mongy> try skill -KILL -u username
[16:14] <Scuzzball> Okay, restarting from a flash drive doesn't work or something.
[16:15] <mongy> a seriously hosed upgrade process aborted :)
[16:15] <Scuzzball> Probably.
[16:16] <Scuzzball> The user is gone!
[16:16] <Scuzzball> Great success.
[16:17] <Scuzzball> Hey, wifi even works
[16:17] <mongy> it's mostly 'just there' these days
[16:18] <Scuzzball> I'm on a dell inspiron 2200.
[16:18] <Scuzzball> Wireless drivers aren't supposed to work for that.
[16:18] <mongy> who says.. since when
[16:18] <Scuzzball> But I guess these random ones did.
[16:19] <Scuzzball> Everywhere said last time I tried.
[16:19] <Scuzzball> Which was like two weeks ago, with ubuntu.
[16:19] <mongy> what chipset
[16:20] <Scuzzball> Dunno. who's with dell?
[16:20] <mongy> mostly broadcom lately
[16:20] <Scuzzball> But the first google result for "dell inspiron 2200 linux wireless drivers" says "There is no native Linux driver for this card, but you can use NdisWrapper 1.2 included with SuSE 10.0 to use the Windows driver under Linux. "
[16:20] <Scuzzball> Sounds right.
[16:20] <mongy> broadcom is fine
[16:21] <Scuzzball> But whatever, found some random thread that didn't work for the guy, but worked for me.
[16:21] <mongy> mine is dell studio 1747 with broadcom
[16:21] <mongy> lspci | grep Network
[16:23] <Scuzzball> Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11 Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
[16:25] <mongy> just the b43 driver then
[16:25] <mongy> I see no problem
[16:25] <Scuzzball> b43-fwcutter firmware-b43-installer
[16:25] <Scuzzball> That was what I got.
[16:25] <Scuzzball> But there are many threads of failure getting this specific model to work on wireless.
[16:25] <mongy> firmware-b43 is fine yeah
[16:25] <Scuzzball> Dunno why.
[16:25] <mongy> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[16:26] <Scuzzball> I know Backtrack 5 R1 supported it by default.
[16:26] <Scuzzball> Whatever, it works.
[16:26] <Scuzzball> Onto finding a mouse.
[16:32] <mongy> awesome, zukitwo updated with an xfwm4 theme;
[16:37] <fennec> Hello
[16:38] <fennec> I've been having a small problem on 11.10
[16:38] <fennec> I want to change the internal UI of programs like the software center to the default greybird (I think) theme
[16:39] <fennec> I'm using clearlooks but some programs that use that theme dont look very good
[16:40] <fennec> Actually using industriial, sorry
[16:41] <fennec> ?
[16:47] <fennec> Anyone?
[16:49] <mongy> time to update my custom iso
[16:50] <mongy> fennec: if you want grey, try zukitwo
[16:50] <mongy> has just been updated to add an xfwm window theme.  pretty nice
[16:50] <fennec> Will it keep the fancy UI's in the software center etc then?
[16:51] <mongy> just looked and yes, it does
[16:51] <fennec> Because I kinda prefer the white in industrial
[16:51] <fennec> I'll check it out
[16:52] <mongy> http://imgur.com/tSQ0R
[16:53] <fennec> I don't really care for that dark theme
[16:53] <fennec> I've customized my current one a bit and want to keep it
[16:53] <Scuzzball> Trauma is free?
[16:53] <fennec> I'll post a pic
[16:54] <fennec> No i think its like $3
[16:54] <mongy> fennec: then just use the appearance part of zukitwo..
[16:54] <mongy> there is a non dark variant..
[16:54] <mongy> also..
[16:54] <fennec> Oh okay.'
[16:56] <mongy> greybird is quite a dark theme
[16:56] <mongy> dark menus anyway
[16:57] <fennec> But in the sofware center etc it has a brushed metal look
[16:57] <fennec> And in industrial it doesnt keep that
[16:57] <fennec> Pic's comingg
[16:57] <mongy> yeah just looked, looks ok to me?
[16:58] <mongy> oh industrial.  well thats a bit of a crap theme to me anyway
[17:01] <fennec> http://oi42.tinypic.com/34ozdab.jpg
[17:02] <fennec> You can see how the sofware center looks bland
[17:02] <fennec> But I like the rest
[17:03] <mongy> my eyes!
[17:03] <fennec> ?
[17:03] <mongy> too much white for my eyes
[17:03] <fennec> >.<
[17:04] <mongy> yeah I see what you mean..  it's like the effect you get when running gksu apps and your theme isnt in /usr/share/themes
[17:05] <fennec> Yeah
[17:05] <fennec> I'm looking through other themes right now
[17:05] <fennec> I tried adjusting the window themes, but they dont change it
[17:06] <fennec> I really dont want to attempt to modify the themes either
[17:06] <mongy> zukitwo (not zukito-dark) is alittle like your theme.  try it
[17:07] <mongy> can just use it as the appearance, and keep greybird as window theme..
[17:09] <fennec> I'll try zukitwo. Window themes change the panels which I quite like
[17:09] <fennec> dont change*
[17:09] <fennec> im mean full
[17:09] <fennec> >.<
[17:11] <fennec> Nevermind :p
[17:16] <fennec> I'm going to try Zuki and Simpleton
[17:17] <fennec> Sadly I'm on vacation and my wireless appears to be delivered by mail
[17:24] <fennec> Zuki makes my dock  look... strange
[17:27] <mongy> is usc looking not great really a problem. I mean, how many times you use it, how often you have to look at it.
[17:27] <fennec> It effects quite a few other programs to
[17:27] <fennec> Extrations, updates, others
[17:32] <mongy> are they all apps that used to need su perms in earlier versions?
[17:34] <fennec> I dont know. I just switched to xubuntu a week ago
[17:34] <fennec> I don't think so
[17:36] <Scuzzball> Tewnty five minuets till new steam sales!
[17:36] <lordjj> Happy New Year's Xubuntu people
[17:36] <Scuzzball> Happy new years!
[17:37] <fennec> I'm going to be going through the Tijuana border at midnight tonight!
[17:37] <fennec> :D
[17:37] <fennec> I'm serious >.<
[17:37] <Scuzzball> Cool.
[17:37] <fennec> Trying to get home before the rain of bullets
[17:38] <Scuzzball> Fun times.
[17:41] <fennec> Now I'm just looking for a theme that has nice panels and keep the fancy ui's
[17:41] <fennec> Do you know of any others besides Zuki?
[17:43] <mongy> there is a modification of it, zukitwo-brave
[17:43] <mongy> how much it's modified I dont know
[17:43] <fennec> I have a fly on my head
[17:43] <lordjj> Could one of those military funded projects
[17:44] <lordjj> Reconnaissance flies...
[17:44] <fennec> Maybe its running linux!
[17:44] <fennec> >plugs in fly to usb port
[17:44] <Scuzzball> How does USB work, actually?
[17:44] <lordjj> lsof
[17:45] <fennec> Usb is magic
[17:45] <Scuzzball> Yeah, this is what I've seen.
[17:45] <fennec> Invented by wizards millions of years ago
[17:45] <Scuzzball> I kinda understand how the PS/2 ports work for keyboards.
[17:45] <Scuzzball> Kinda.
[17:46] <Scuzzball> Well, I kinda understand how it gets the data values it magically sends on them.
[17:46] <lordjj> http://www.howstuffworks.com/usb.htm ?
[17:47] <lordjj> Yep, not creepy at all... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSCLBG9KeX4
[17:47] <mongy> fennec: evolve looks a nice white theme
[17:48] <Scuzzball> Lordjj, tha is amazing.
[17:50] <fennec> In the future, children will mind control flies to have dogfights
[17:51] <fennec> This is fact
[17:51] <Scuzzball> This is a wonderous future.
[17:51] <Scuzzball> Also, terrifying.
[17:51] <Scuzzball> But whatever.
[17:51] <Scuzzball> Dystopia is a cool place.
[17:51] <fennec> I live there
[17:51] <Scuzzball> Well, interesting, at least.
[17:52] <Scuzzball> Really?
[17:52] <fennec> Yes.  That's all it is!
[18:06] <Scuzzball> Tasers aren't hard to do, just a few capacitors.
[18:07] <fennec> :p
[18:16] <fennec> Anyone here use MythTV?
[18:16] <mongy> yup
[18:17] <fennec> I've been trying to convince my dad to let me set up an old laptop with it
[18:17] <fennec> Can you keep your normal tv going through it?
[18:19] <holstein> split the cable signal.. the TV will remain as is... the trick will be getting the computer onto the TV and getting the cable into the computer
[18:19] <mongy> not done that much with it, just plugged usb tuner in, run mythtv and watch tv
[18:19] <fennec> Ah
[18:19] <fennec> Does it have many of the same channels?
[18:19] <fennec> And does it cost money?
[18:19] <fennec> :p
[18:20] <mongy> ?
[18:20] <fennec> Many of the channels that we get on cable
[18:20] <fennec> I'm just not sure where it gets the actual feed from
[18:20] <mongy> mine is a regular fta tuner..I watch regular uk 'freeview'
[18:20] <fennec> Ah okay
[18:21] <holstein> fennec: check out some docs.. myth can capture TV
[18:21] <holstein> it'll capture (like a DVR) your current situation
[18:21] <mongy> you setup your tuner to do the work, or whatever capture card
[18:21] <fennec> Can you change it to get other worldwide TV
[18:21] <holstein> you pay for what you are paying for
[18:21] <fennec> Getting rallying in the US is very difficult >.<
[18:21] <holstein> fennec: you can have it capture whatever you have the ability to capture
[18:22] <fennec> Okay.
[18:22] <fennec> So can I set  it up to only use the internet?
[18:22] <holstein> it will not make you more or less likely to 'hack' any extra content
[18:22] <mongy> try #mythtv
[18:23] <holstein> fennec: its open, you can literally set it up as you please.. but the point of it is to capture, and to share the content with other computers on the network... or to watch your home TV away from home
[18:23] <fennec> Ah
[18:23] <fennec> I'm just looking for some kind of linux internet tv/dvr
[18:23] <holstein> through that set up there are other side-effects... and there are lots of extras that allow watching/streaming other content from box to box, or to your TV... or whatever
[18:23] <mongy> miro?
[18:24] <fennec> I'll check it out
[18:24] <holstein> fennec: you would get a capture card like mongy mentioned, and configure it
[18:25] <fennec> Well miro isn't quite a replacement for a dvr
[18:26] <fennec> Basically we want to switch from cox to internet tv but still have it work like a dvr with a remote etc
[18:26] <holstein> fennec: just fire up a web browser, and search around for content
[18:27] <holstein> thats what its like to have internet TV, at least for now... there are services like hulu plus
[18:27] <fennec> So I suppose its either going to be similar to a computer or just specialized for portable media?
[18:27] <holstein> we have no cable... i use netflix mostly to a roku box... and i use hulu (the free one) and crackle
[18:28] <holstein> fennec: ?.. if you want to access internet content, it'll need to be something with a browser
[18:29] <holstein> i personally find appliances to be limiting... so i like to just have a computer near the TV hooked up to it... but that is also a bit or a drag
[18:29] <fennec> well I think I'll try out mythtv at some point and do something similar to this http://www.winstanleys.org/tech/mythtv/
[18:29] <holstein> there are boxee boxes, roku's.. other netflix players... its an interesting time we live in :)
[18:30] <holstein> fennec: you either get freeview, or you dont
[18:30] <holstein> here, i would, but i just dont bother with it
[18:32] <fennec> Freeview isnt quite easily availible in the us
[18:32] <holstein> yeah?... its free... you get the hardware and it comes in, or you are too far away
[18:33] <fennec> I'm way to far off from the satellite beam
[18:33] <fennec> Apparently there isnt freeview in dystopia :(
[18:33] <holstein> well, if you can get in town, and check it out, im sure you'll find like i did, that its not worth the hassle... setting up a compatible capture card and all that...
[18:34] <fennec> Okay, thanks
[18:35] <holstein> if you stream all your content as i do, you need no capture cards, nor big hard drives... just internet, and a web browser
[18:35] <holstein> fennec: whatever device you are typing on right now is capable of this.. otherwise, you'll need to get your wallet out
[19:06] <thor_> Hey how do i change from thunar to pcmanfm. I have uninstall thunar and install pcmanfm, but i cant get map on the desktop ??
[19:08] <thor_> I just have a emty desktop ??
[19:16] <mongy> thor_: can you right click and selec settings
[19:21] <thor_> mongy how do i do that
[19:21] <mongy> what do yo mean, empty.
[19:22] <mongy> can you still right click the desktop and view menu
[19:23] <thor_> mongy i mean that i have no desktop. i cant right click on the desktop
[19:23] <mongy> alt F2?
[19:23] <thor_> mongy dosent work
[19:23] <thor_> dos not
[19:23] <mongy> ctrl alt F1
[19:24] <mongy> login, install thunar again,
[19:24] <mongy> switch back to desktop with ctrl alt F7
[19:26] <mongy> think he switched before I got to tell him how to get back :(
[20:20] <|Slacker|> xubuntu runs very well on my old lappy
[20:24] <mongy> cool
[20:24] <pleia2> |Slacker|: glad to hear it :)
[20:26] <|Slacker|> yes
[20:26] <|Slacker|> I'm happy
[20:27] <|Slacker|> had to do that cuz my netbook power cable ain't working
[20:28] <mongy> just need the power bug fixing overall.. I booted a custom usb stick on someones lappy at work to show them, and ran frozen bubble, browser, navigated a few things, then left it for a few mins.. it demolished her battery
[20:30] <TheSheep> demolished?
[20:30] <mongy> wasted
[20:30] <mongy> went from full to flat in no time
[20:31] <TheSheep> well, that's normal with cpu-intensive things like games and javascript and flash on web pages
[20:31] <mongy> used it for about 10 mins, then left it for another 10 maybe...
[20:32] <mongy> I had a few laptops I linux 3.0 kernel on ,whatever distro, they all suffered the same
[20:33] <TheSheep> ah, because the 3.x kernels don't turn powersaving on components that BIOS doesn't report as powersaving-capable, and a lot of BIOSes are buggy and don't report that
[20:34] <mongy> either way,  fix please kkthxbai
[20:34] <TheSheep> mongy: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_2638_aspm&num=1
[20:35] <TheSheep> mongy: there is a boot option you can enable to work around that
[20:36] <mongy> I read about that, but read a few people say it made no difference
[20:36] <mongy> I could try it next time I guess.
[21:04] <Ryllez89> guys, what i do for my iphone 4 work in xubuntu?
[21:07] <fennec> Hello again
[21:11] <mongy> another reason I won't buy an idevice
[21:12] <multipass> tack one on to the list
[21:12] <multipass> libiphone
[21:12] <multipass> is what you need i think
[21:13] <multipass> but still, its probably not goign to do what you want it to
[21:13] <multipass> i had one for a few months
[21:14] <multipass> luckily i switched to android
[21:14] <mongy> nexus is next on my list
[21:14] <multipass> i have a thunderbolt atm
[21:14] <mongy> can't quite justify the full galaxy
[21:15] <multipass> im verizon so im limited
[21:15] <multipass> but droid razr seems awesome
[21:25] <multipass> hows xubuntu 11.10 as far as stability. i was thinking of switching from ubuntu 10.04
[21:25] <multipass> i just use it for web development mainly
[21:25] <multipass> i dislike unity
[21:26] <fennec> Its great
[21:26] <fennec> I love it
[21:26] <fennec> I switched from unity to
[21:27] <fennec> You can keep getting updates unlick 10.04 on Classic mode and have a great XFCE desktop
[21:27] <fennec> unlike*
[21:28] <multipass> yeah xfce looks very nice
[21:28] <multipass> no crashes etc?
[21:29] <fennec> Nope pretty much as stable as ubuntu
[21:29] <fennec> Mine froze once but thats all
[21:30] <fennec> Its kind of like Gnome 2.x but faster
[21:31] <fennec> There isn't quite the orginization of it but its still very easy to get used to
[21:31] <ashley_> I am new to xubuntu and I want to connect my laptop running xubuntu to my tv using hdmi.. how can i do this regards
[21:34] <fennec> 1. Plug in HDMI to computer
[21:34] <mongy> plug it in?
[21:34] <fennec> 2. Plug into TV
[21:34] <fennec> 3. ?????
[21:34] <fennec> 4.  PROFIT
[21:35] <multipass> ^
[21:35] <insin> free says I'm using 1.5GB of RAM, XFCE System Load Monitor and Task Manager say 400MB and never seem to go above 500MB - are they known to be inaccurate?
[21:35] <mongy> my xubuntu completely logged me out for no reason while I was running a couple of vm's , watching some tv and some other stuff once, not since though.  still don't know what it was
[21:35] <mongy> insin: free -m
[21:36] <mongy> insin: I have 8gb ram and Im using it all :)  but in reality only using 1.5gig
[21:36] <fennec> ashley_: your going to need to be more specific
[21:37] <mongy> insin: -/+ buffers/cache: is the line you need if you want a real ram usage
[21:37] <insin> ah!
[21:37] <mongy> ram is there to be used..  windows sadly does not see this.
[21:37] <mongy> likes to use swap anwyay
[21:38] <mongy> as an aside, I have my vm.swappiness=0
[21:38] <insin> does that not make those monitors a bit useless? They *never* go over 500 MB for me so it looks like I'm never making use of  my RAM, but swapping like hell - I have my swappiness at 0 too as a result
[21:41] <mongy> insin: they report ram usage by apps
[21:42] <mongy> insin: free reports ram and buffers
[21:42] <mongy> buffers are ram used but instantly available if an app needs
[21:43] <mongy> insin: insin your swappiness will most likely be 60
[21:43] <mongy> how much ram you have?
[21:43] <insin> I set it to 0 when it looked like I was swapping all the time
[21:44] <insin> 2GB
[21:44] <mongy> cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness
[21:45] <mongy> is all 2gb detected?
[21:45] <mongy> it should use most of your ram before swap...
[21:46] <mongy> a tip, use the zramswap-enabler tool, it speeds the usage of swap considerably.
[21:49] <insin> loooks like it , but 1045 is cached according to free - I was using the system load monitor to try to detect when I needed to kill Firefox off to avoid swapping while working, but its mem bar just never fills up - I only recently started with desktop linux, so clearly need to get used to the fact that it reports mem usage differently than windows :)
[21:49] <insin> ta
[21:51] <mongy> cache isnt looked up as ram used as its all temp stuff that is still available for an app to use
[21:52] <mongy> so most these system monitors are telling the truth mostly, since they report ram usage
[22:25] <mongy> tired of my SE phone rebooting when playing certain mp3's
[22:26] <mongy> It's had like 4 or 5 firmware updates already. gah. Nexus is a calling
[22:30] <fennec> Theres this car alarm going off right now
[22:30] <fennec> It was on ast night to
[22:30] <fennec> Welcome to mexico 8D
[22:31] <fennec> Does anyone actually use #xubuntu-offtopic ?
[22:53] <paulBird> i dont have the 'deb' command! where can i get it ha?
[22:55] <mongy> ?
[22:56] <paulBird> when i type 'deb' on cmd line
[22:56] <paulBird> it complains that i dont have the command..
[22:59] <paulBird> please help :\
[22:59] <mongy> correct, you don't
[23:00] <paulBird> well i know that.
[23:00] <mongy> what are you trying to do ?
[23:00] <paulBird> trying to use the deb cmd
[23:00] <mongy> there isn't one
[23:00] <mongy> do you mean dpkg ?
[23:00] <mongy> to install a deb?
[23:00] <kj4> happy new year xubus
[23:00] <paulBird> nvm, fixed
[23:00] <kj4> wooohoooooo
[23:01] <paulBird> happy new year everyone
[23:01] <paulBird> :) bye
[23:05] <w30> well.... deb sounds better than dpkg. dpkg sounds Italian or Brooklyn-ese, hehheh
[23:05] <mongy> a nice alias would come in handy I guess for such
[23:06] <mongy> or he could have just clicked on it
[23:06] <w30> install de package on de computer
[23:07] <thy-> bonne année tout le monde, tout ca tout ca, meilleurs voeux machin tout ca, bonne santé et toutes les salutations d'usage /amg
[23:18] <w30> thanks, thy-
[23:19] <thy-> :-)
[23:20] <w30> vous aussi


[07:28] <Unit193> I think of the uploads now, only mousepad, ristretto, and xfce4-notifyd to sync tomorrow.


[03:19] <mwhudson> Chroot problem on dubnium (virtual)
[03:19] <mwhudson> exciting?
[03:20] <mwhudson> er whut
[03:21] <mwhudson> WHAT
[03:22] <wgrant> What?
[03:22]  * wgrant looks.
[03:23] <mwhudson> wgrant: this seems to be code for "a ppa this one depends on has been disabled" in fact
[03:23] <wgrant> Deleted, I suspect.
[03:23] <wgrant> It's 404ing?
[03:24] <mwhudson> yeah
[03:24] <mwhudson> wgrant: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/83372945/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.lava-server_0.7.0-0ubuntu0%7Elava1_CHROOTWAIT.txt.gz <- build log
[03:24] <wgrant> Yeah.
[03:24]  * mwhudson shoots his team mates
[03:24] <wgrant> This is why deleting stuff in Soyuz is hard.
[03:25] <spm> heh
[03:25] <mwhudson> is there a bug about this?
[03:25] <wgrant> No.
[03:25] <mwhudson> should there be?
[03:25] <wgrant> Probably.
[03:25] <mwhudson> ok, i'll drivel into a bug report then and you can fix it up :-)
[03:26] <spm> mwhudson: have you been reading my bug reports and taking notes?
[03:26] <wgrant> Interestingly, that's not meant to happen...
[03:26] <StevenK> It isn't?
[03:26] <wgrant> We only include suites where there are PUBLISHED publications.
[03:26] <spm> aka "put in enough info to irritate the devs so they correct the bug report properlike"
[03:27] <StevenK> spm: "iz broken"
[03:27] <spm> StevenK: no. "iz borken. pls fix"
[03:27] <StevenK> Haha
[03:27] <spm> polite ^^
[03:30] <mwhudson> wgrant: it's possible that the ppa was only just disabled, could there be some lag here?
[03:30] <mwhudson> wgrant: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/879208 anyway
[03:30] <wgrant> mwhudson: Retry away
[03:31] <wgrant> It was probably a race.
[03:34] <mwhudson> it failed again
[03:34] <mwhudson> to no great surprise
[03:36] <wgrant> Indeed.
[06:00] <hyperair> hi. i recall seeing some cross-posting happening between bugzilla.freedesktop.org and launchpad, but i don't see anything of that sort happening between bugzilla.gnome.org and launchpad.
[06:01] <hyperair> given that they're both running bugzilla, can the cross-posting be implemented?
[06:01] <hyperair> it's really tough to have me manually forwarding messages between upstream developers and downstream bug reporters
[07:14] <geser> is it possible to reassign a bug (to a different package) using the email interface?
[07:15] <wgrant> geser: Sadly not.
[07:15] <wgrant> geser: You can create a new task, or you can turn a plain distribution task into a distribution source package task.
[08:02] <mrevell> Howdy 'padders
[08:08] <jamespage> moring all
[08:09] <jamespage> I keep getting a timeout when trying to mark bugs as duplicates of bug 862129
[08:09] <jamespage> OOPS-2120E22
[08:10] <jamespage> it already has alot of dupe's
[08:33] <bil21al> can any body tel me  is there any deceloping or some thing wrong with the launchpad because mine karma is not increasing for a bundle of days??
[08:35] <wgrant> bil21al: It should be OK in about 24 hours.
[08:35] <wgrant> bil21al: There have been some issues with the karma update script this week.
[08:36] <bil21al> ok so work we done in this week actually i worked alot so there is no karma for that work?
[08:36] <wgrant> No, all that work will be counted over the weekend.
[08:37] <wgrant> But the total shown on your page is only updated daily.
[08:37] <wgrant> Your work is recorded, but the total is not updated yet.
[08:38] <bil21al> ok thankx for replying
[09:43] <dpm> danilos, good morning. Can I export PO files from staging? I've created a test project in staging, and got someone to help me providing some translations in Simplified Chinese, but after requesting a single file export a while ago, I haven't yet received it. Can staging send e-mails?
[10:00] <dpm> or anyone else can tell me whether staging can send e-mails?
[10:02] <dpm> bummer, just found out that it can't, so I can't export my translations: https://help.launchpad.net/StagingServer :(
[10:09] <lifeless> dpm: it does send them, but they get captured to a dev-only test mailbox
[10:09] <lifeless> dpm: because we don't want to spam folk :)
[10:11] <dpm> lifeless, ah, I see :) - would it be possible to retrieve the e-mail it created for me containing the librarian url to fetch the translations from?
[10:11] <dpm> or just bounce it back to me?
[10:12] <lifeless> it probably is more involved; needs a backend job run to do the export first
[10:12] <lifeless> I'm well past EOW, but some other dev should be able to coordinate for you
[10:12] <dpm> thanks lifeless
[10:12] <lifeless> let me see, who is around and on support this week ;)... bigjools !
[10:12] <dpm> :)
[10:13]  * bigjools is not on support this week
[10:13] <dpm> there seems to be no help contact listed
[10:13] <bigjools> someone will be around later
[10:14] <bigjools> when US/East wakes up
[10:14] <dpm> I think I'll just have to copy and paste...
[10:14] <lars_> Hey there, the seamonkey2 ppa is unavailable since yesterday, any info bout that?
[10:15] <nigelb> lars_: do you have the path to the ppa?
[10:15] <nigelb> Well, actually, its probably best to talk to the author of the PPA.
[10:15] <bigjools> what he said
[10:15] <lars_> http://ppa.launchpad.net/seamonkey2/seamonkey2/ubuntu
[10:16] <lars_> how do I find the author?
[10:17] <lars_> https://launchpad.net/~seamonkey2 gives nothing
[10:18] <nigelb> Well, if you are just looking for seamonkey2, you can check it out here https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa
[10:19] <lars_> thx nigel, but wrong version, plus, don't wanna change sources on all our pcs
[10:21] <lars_> wrote email to launchpad support, thx and bye
[10:22] <lifeless> lars_: they probably disabled the ppa and renamed their account
[10:22] <lifeless> https://launchpad.net/~seamonkey2/+archive/seamonkey2 is still in our search index, but isn't valid anymore
[10:23] <lars_> yes
[10:23] <lars_> but how do i find out
[10:23] <lars_> ?
[10:24] <lifeless> find out what?
[10:24] <lars_> if they have a new ppa and if so, where?
[10:25] <lifeless> search for it basically; I don't think we have a 'find the user who had this username before' feature
[10:25] <lars_> k, search reveals nothing, I will wait one more day
[10:26] <lars_> thx all, bye
[14:52] <scott-work> hello everyone, ubuntu studio is looking to doing to work on our teams and would like some advice
[14:52] <scott-work> we are looking at creating a website team so we can control access to the code in a granular manner
[14:53] <scott-work> however, i am unsure if we should create a project for the website and to whom the code should actually belong
[14:53] <scott-work> furthermore, i am wondering about the relationship between the new website team and the ubuntustudio-dev team
[14:53] <scott-work> any suggestions, advice, links or otherwise would be appreciated
[15:15] <mrevell> hey scott-work
[15:18] <mrevell> scott-work, I'm on the phone just now but can give you some ideas in a few minutes,
[16:10] <scott-work> mrevell: sorry, was in company meeting
[16:11] <scott-work> that would be outstanding!
[16:39] <Syd23> hey guys i am facing a problem siginging code of conduct..getting error (7, 9, u'No public key')
[16:41] <Syd23> ??
[16:45] <bigjools> is your key on kerserver.ubuntu.com ?
[16:45] <bigjools> keyserver, even
[17:03] <danhg> Hey pjds - are you still around?
[17:03] <danhg> Hey jpds - are you still around?
[17:11] <cnd> an unauthorized user added a project to the canonical-multitouch project group
[17:11] <cnd> 1. how could he have done that?
[17:11] <cnd> 2. how do I remove it?
[19:52] <danhg> hey huwshimi, are you there?
[19:53] <danhg> Nope, you wouldn't be - got my world clock the wrong way around. Time for bed I think!
[20:34] <yofel> did the karma details get deprecated? My karma page says my karma's expired: https://launchpad.net/~yofel/+karma
[21:26] <DNS777> yofel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/878721
[21:26] <DNS777> yes for everybody it seems
[21:30] <yofel> heh