[18:24] <makronaut> i do not know a hix
[18:24] <makronaut> fix
[18:24] <makronaut> but it is related to the composite manager of ix
[18:24] <makronaut> if you do not use compiz
[18:25] <makronaut> try to disable all fancy composite effects which are enabled in kde by default
[18:26] <eduardo> hi all
[18:26] <nameiner> makronaut: will try
[18:26] <nano> hi
[18:26] <BluesKaj> makronaut , maybe the Jaunty kde3 remix is for you
[18:26] <tobi> I configured my ethernet device with pppoeconf. While booting my system should connect automatically with the internet. But after every reset I have to run "poff dsl-provider" following "pon dsl-privder" to get online access (with sudo)! Why is that?!
[18:27] <makronaut> ??
[18:27] <makronaut> kde 4.2 works fine for me, thx
[18:28] <BluesKaj> no kde4 effects
[18:28] <nameiner> makronaut: that works, but now I don't have effects anymore, I guess there is no solution to have both :(
[18:29] <BluesKaj> oh sry makronaut , addressing the wrong person
[18:30] <makronaut>  – Content Management System
[18:30] <makronaut> nameiner:
[18:30] <makronaut>  – Content Management System
[18:30] <nameiner> makronaut: what do you mean?
[18:30] <makronaut> nameiner: I do not have this kind of problem
[18:31] <makronaut> But I use compiz with emerald instead of kwin
[18:32] <nameiner> makronaut: ah, thanks anyway.
[18:32] <nameiner> at least I have an idea now
[18:32] <makronaut> ++ I enabled the workaround settings in compiz
[18:33] <makronaut> nameiner: in any case, I had the same problems
[18:34] <makronaut> nameiner: as you, even in compiz, I berlive tha workaround settings have something to do with
[18:35] <makronaut> nameiner: an additional info... I have an ati graphic card and I the flgrx driver downloaded from their own page
[18:36] <nameiner> makronaut: I don't use Googleearth that frequently, so if I don't find a solution I can just switch the effects off before.
[18:37] <nameiner> is there a new driver package out yet for 9.04 or did you do the manual setup?
[18:37] <makronaut> nameiner: Yes but you will have the same problem with celestia and 3d games which run in a window
[18:37] <nameiner> makronaut: I was just wondering, since I have another PC with ATI graphics
[18:38] <tobi> If there is some kind of command I need sudo-rights for, could it be, that an autostart wouldn't work?!
[18:40] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[18:41] <ActionParsnip> qq
[18:41] <ActionParsnip> if i'm modifying the live cd with this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[18:42] <ActionParsnip> and chooted to the livecd, if I run sudo apt-get upgrade, will it upgrade the live cd?
[18:44] <ActionParsnip> Pici: you got a sec dude
[18:44] <Pici> ActionParsnip: maybe
[18:45] <ActionParsnip> if i use the livecd customisation, and chroot into the extracted cd and run apt-get upgrade, will it upgrade the live cd so when its reburned it will be up to date when reburned?
[18:45] <ActionParsnip> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[18:45] <ActionParsnip> thats the guide i got
[18:45] <Pici> ActionParsnip: I don't know, sorry.  If you have the time, why not just try it and see what happens.
[18:46] <ActionParsnip> thats my plan, was just cuious if you'd done it before
[18:46] <ActionParsnip> Pici: i'm making a live cd to run purely in ram to make the os groovy
[18:47] <Pici> apparle: I added an exception to let you join.
[18:49] <apparle> Pici : Did you put the exception on my username or my current session??...............Will I be able to connect to ubuntu when I use mibbit next time
[18:50] <Pici> apparle: Just your current session. We have mibbit banned due to abuse, if you use a real IRC client you will not have problems joining the channel.
[18:50] <ActionParsnip> Pici: as opposed to a fake one?
[18:51] <tsimpson> mibbit it not a real IRC client, just like kopete ;)
[18:51] <LjL> mibbit is hardly a client, since it's a server :P
[18:52] <theuser1>  what are the ports used by irc. ?
[18:52] <sevenhill> 6667 - 8000
[18:52] <Pici> Freenode offers access to IRC on the following ports: 6665, 6666, 6667, 7000, 7070, 8000, 8001, 8002
[18:52] <Dragnslcr> theuser1: 6667 is the most common
[18:52] <rufong> !exception
[18:52] <theuser1> Dragnslcr: i need to know all. iam going to run irc
[18:53] <theuser1> Dragnslcr: i need to know all. iam going to run ircd
[18:53] <LjL> oh lord.
[18:53] <Pici> theuser1: Then its whatever you want it to be
[18:53] <Dragnslcr> theuser1: technically you can run it on whatever port you want
[18:53] <Dragnslcr> I think most clients try 6667 first by default
[18:55] <theuser1> Pici:  Dragnslcr i need to know . the ports. that most users connect by. or what the standerd irc ports.?
[18:55] <Dragnslcr> theuser1: then maybe you should learn to read
[18:55] <Dragnslcr> I told you the most common default
[18:55] <theuser1> Dragnslcr: ill read ever you type
[18:55] <Dragnslcr> And you've been told what Freenode listens on
[18:57] <theuser1> ok
[18:57] <theuser1>  6665, 6666, 6667, 7000, 7070, 8000, 8001, 8002
[18:57] <theuser1> thanks
[19:00] <JuJuBee> How do I get the Network Manager widget?  I cannot find it.
[19:00] <nameiner> I played a bit n the OpenGL settings under Systems Settings > Desktop and then my Xserver crashed and now I can't login anymore. I tried to reconfigure the xorg.conf but it didn't help
[19:00] <nameiner> Any ideas?
[19:03] <makronaut> nameiner: try to rename xorg.conf.failsafe or xorg.conf.original-0 to xorg.conf
[19:03] <makronaut> nameiner: in ubuntu are those configurations automated, so do not mess with them
[19:05] <makronaut> nameiner: if you would like to manualy change them, you should try some other hard core distr like gentoo or slackware or...
[19:05] <nameiner> makronaut: I didn't change anything in he xorg.conf file itself, just under System Settings
[19:06] <apparle> How to send files using Kbluetooth 4
[19:06] <JuJuBee> Anybody?  Network Manager Widget?  Cant find it.
[19:07] <nameiner> makronaut: I don't have a xorg.conf.failsafe or xorg.conf.original-0
[19:07] <apparle> Hello guys
[19:10] <makronaut> nameiner: just do as I said it should work, otherwise you should locate your video configuratin in ~./kde
[19:10] <malik_> my kubuntu9.04  crashes and stops responding completely i have an acer travel mate 6292
[19:12] <makronaut> nameiner: you can delete the folder ~/.kde/share/config
[19:12] <malik_> is that folder hidden in the home folder
[19:12] <apparle> nameiner: what happened
[19:13] <makronaut> nameiner: but you will loose all configuration for KDE configuration
[19:13] <makronaut> yes, it is
[19:13] <malik_> ok
[19:13] <nameiner> makronaut: still working on it
[19:15] <makronaut> nameiner: if you will locate the right file you will delete only the needed configutration, do not worry about kde, it will detect the missing files and will regenerate them with default settings
[19:16] <nameiner> makronaut: already deleted the whole folder, didn't change much yet, so no big problem and it worked
[19:16] <nameiner> makronaut: thank you
[19:25] <Cerrdor> with the kontact application what can I use to send sms?
[19:25] <Cerrdor> or how do I configure it to work with my phone?
[19:28] <Cerrdor> how do I configure kontact to work with my phone??
[19:30] <dag_> @all: hi there!
[19:30] <Cerrdor> howdy
[19:31] <apparle> hi
[19:31] <dag_> I want to change my konsole font, but I saw there are only the default ones, not every font i've installed sys-widly; can somone helps me? (kubuntu jaunty)
[19:32] <apparle> does anyone knoe how to install open source drivers of ATI
[19:34] <dag_> apparie: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver , hopr that helps
[19:36] <dag_> I want to change my konsole font, but I saw there are only the default ones, not every font i've installed sys-widly; can somone helps me? (kubuntu jaunty)
[19:36] <Cerrdor> how do I configure kontact to work with my phone??
[19:38] <dag_> cerrdor: take a look at this http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=6258719&postcount=6/
[19:38] <dag_> cerrdor: hope that helps
[19:39] <Cerrdor> dag_: thanks im reading it now
[19:40] <dag_> cerrdor: maybe this one too http://forum.kde.org/how-to-sync-kontact-with-mobile-phone-t-13025.html
[19:40] <dag_> cerrdor: you're welcome! ;)
[19:40] <Dashkal> Does anybody know of a way to get a kubuntu system to offer remote logins over VNC?  Completely apart from my normal console login if at all possible.
[19:41] <dag_> dashkal: did you try KRDC?
[19:41] <SandGorgon> Dashkal: umm.. doesnt running vncserver help ?
[19:41] <Dashkal> I mean connect and get kdm
[19:42] <dag_> dashkal: definitely KRDC so
[19:42] <Dashkal> krdc is the client, I'm looking for the server side.
[19:43] <tty17> hey guys, I'm creating a custom livecd, how can I change what programs start on login?
[19:43] <dag_> dashkal: you can use hamachi
[19:43] <tty17> damn bbl
[19:43] <SandGorgon> dag_: isnt hamachi VPN rather than VNC ?
[19:44]  * Dashkal googles.   yep, vpn
[19:44] <dag_> sandgordon: yes, but I used it as vnc as well
[19:44] <dag_> sandgordon: i had a home-server and i used it from office
[19:45] <Dashkal> hrm, will have to look.
[19:45] <dag_> sandgordon: the server was running ubuntu hardy and the client was running WinXP
[19:45] <rbrunhuber> Does anybody know how to configure strigi/nepomuk in jaunty.
[19:45] <Dashkal> I considered making a second kdm instance and using x11vnc, but x11vnc isn't nearly stable enough
[19:45] <SandGorgon> Dashkal: we used to use vncpasswd to set passwd, vncserver -display 800x600 and any vnc clients
[19:47] <dag_> dashkal: you can take a look at this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=122402
[19:47] <Dashkal> vncserver (both vnc4server and xtightvncserver) seems to be lacking some of the X features kde requires.  Looks _terible_
[19:47] <Dashkal> leaving me wanting to piggy back off of X
[19:47] <Dashkal> dag_: ooo, that looks very promising
[19:47] <dag_> dashkal: oops, that was vnc4server
[19:48] <dag_> dashkal: but maybe it does the trick
[19:49] <Dashkal> This looks like half the solution, though, so it looks like a good read
[19:49] <dag_> dashkal: nice to ear!
[19:49] <Dashkal> vnc4server has a piggy-back module for X itself.  Which I haven't been able to investigate (the docs wern't all that helpful)
[19:49] <dag_> dashkal: shit-happens
[19:50] <tweakedeh> hey, i'm having trouble with my wireless, I installed some new software and now I can see the wireless networks around me but I every time I try to connect to it it fails. http://paste.ubuntu.com/161137/
[19:50] <Dashkal> true, but undocumented software might as well not exist.
[19:51] <dag_> dashkal: did you tried vnc4server --help ?
[19:51] <tty17> hey guys, I'm creating a custom livecd, how can I change what programs start on login?
[19:52] <dag_> dashkal: sorry for the stupid question, but sometimes that command reports documents for undocumented software
[19:52] <Dashkal> dag_: I found the docs for vnc4server's standalone server, I mean I was having difficulty finding docs on the X module
[19:52] <dag_> tty: which software do you used to get the custom live cd?
[19:52] <dag_> tty: ah, got it
[19:53] <tty17> dag_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[19:53] <Dashkal> I'm not entirely certain of what it does.  It might turn my full blown X into a vnc server (a la x11vnc), or it might just be a video driver (basically making it vnc4server).  I don't yet know
[19:57] <dag_> dashkal: please tell me if you learn something new about the matter, I'm interested too
[19:57] <dag_>  I want to change my konsole font, but I saw there are only the default ones, not every font i've installed sys-widly; can somone helps me? (kubuntu jaunty)
[19:58] <Dashkal> dag_: Will do
[19:58] <dag_> does anybody knows how to install new fonts in konsole, under kubuntu jaunty (9.04)?
[19:59] <Dashkal> Is it a monospace font?  My custom installed monospace fonts show up fine
[20:03] <xjjk> dag_: you can do that through systemsettings AFAIK
[20:03] <xjjk> dag_: also, dump them into ~/.fonts/
[20:03] <xjjk> close and restart konsole, the fonts should appear
[20:03] <max> buona sera
[20:04] <Guest47269> c'è nessuno
[20:04] <tsimpson> !it | maxxx
[20:05] <maxxx> non c'è nessuno????
[20:05] <fokitol> kde is beatutifull!!! :-)
[20:09] <davide> anyone here?
[20:10] <jimmy51_> what's the simplest way to run XP under 9.04 ( i want to be able to launch it, run a few stuipd windows apps, and kill it as needed)
[20:10] <jimmy51_> and do any of them support open gl or direct x?  i've seen wine can support autocad, but i've never got wine to work well with anything
[20:11] <nightrow> virtualbox ?
[20:11] <jimmy51_> nightrow: i've never used it.  is it a vm?  (and is it free?)
[20:12] <jason_froebe> virtualbox, kvm, vmware, pick a flavor ;-)
[20:12] <nightrow> well the linux i'm using to speak here is running inside virtualbox, look like vmware
[20:12] <xjjk> jimmy51_: both virtualbox (latest version, 2.2) and vmware support basic 3D acceleration
[20:12] <xjjk> though AFAIK if you want speed, WINE is the fastest
[20:13] <xjjk> jimmy51_: Virtualbox (what I use) has both a free libre (GPL) and free beer version
[20:13] <jimmy51_> hmm... maybe i'll try virtual box
[20:13] <xjjk> and many (including me) think it's faster than VMware
[20:13] <jimmy51_> xjjk: does the free support 3d?
[20:13] <jason_froebe> wine for games and such but if you need ms office or similar, go with a vm
[20:13] <xjjk> jimmy51_: AFAIK no not yet
[20:14] <xjjk> jimmy51_: er, do you mean free libre or free beer version
[20:14] <xjjk> the free libre you have the source code to (it's GPL) and is included in Ubuntu's universe repositories
[20:14] <tty17> I'm creating a custom livecd, how can I change what programs start on login?
[20:14] <xjjk> the free beer version is free for personal, non-commercial use, and you have to add repositories
[20:15] <jimmy51_> xjjk: ok.  i'll google virtualbox 2.2 kubuntu repository
[20:15] <xjjk> jimmy51_: http://virtualbox.org/, the website is very easy to follow
[20:15] <xjjk> the documentation/etc is *excellent(
[20:17] <Rasa> When I tried to install Kubuntu I got a very small screen with big letters: what can I do to fix it?
[20:18] <jimmy51_> xxjjk:  sweet:  http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads  shows the repo's and how to get it
[20:18] <xjjk> jimmy51_: yep... I wish VMware supported Debian/Ubuntu this well
[20:18] <jason_froebe> install virtualbox:  sudo aptitude install virtualbox  :)
[20:18] <jimmy51_> xjjk: you'd think they would want to, since there is a growing market for switchers to linux who need a few old apps to still work
[20:19] <jason_froebe> for the opensource version
[20:19] <jimmy51_> jason_froebe: is that 2.2 with 3d support?
[20:19] <xjjk> jimmy51_: I guess they figure their downloadable installer is "good enough"
[20:19] <jimmy51_> my apt-cache looked like it just had 2.1 without adding those repos
[20:19] <xjjk> but honestly, who wants to deal with managing when software is upgraded
[20:19] <jimmy51_> xjjk: i sure don't
[20:20] <xjjk> jimmy51_: yeh, Ubuntu includes the OSS version
[20:20] <xjjk> jimmy51_: the repositories on the website are for the commercial version
[20:20] <xjjk> see the website about which is best for you
[20:20] <jason_froebe> dang it looks like 2.1
[20:21] <xjjk> virtualbox 2.2 was released after jaunty's freeze so it didn't make it in
[20:21] <xjjk> I guess wait for karmic for virtualbox 2.2/2.3
[20:21] <jason_froebe> only have to wait until december for karmic's release :)
[20:25] <senorpedro> hi folks
[20:26] <jimmy51_> downloading virtualbox-2.2 package now
[20:26] <jimmy51_> i'll try it out and see how it goes.  thanks all
[20:45] <mteren> hi is this the place to discuss problem with 9.04 installation?
[20:46] <senorpedro> for shizy
[20:46] <senorpedro> just discuss
[20:47] <mteren> i upgraded to 9.04 and couldn't log in to KDE.  instead logged on to console, and startx
[20:47] <mteren> anyone else having this problem?
[20:49] <akpowered> hey yo
[20:49] <akpowered> yoyo gangsta crap :D
[20:49] <akpowered> o.0
[20:50] <mteren> help anyone?
[20:50] <akpowered> YO
[20:50] <akpowered> :'(
[20:51] <hamit> hi i have a problem with Cheese Webcam Booth. After i close it, my cam's bulb still lights how can i stop it lighting?
[20:54] <thomas__> Hello everyone.  I am having issues with terminal not working on 9,04. Does anyone have a link on how to fix it?
[20:55] <hamit> thomas__ try running it with ALT+F2
[20:57] <thomas__> hamit, konsole brings up blank black screen, terminal saids error creating child process
[20:57] <hamit> any error code or something?
[20:57] <thomas__> "There was an error creating the child process for this terminal" with an ok button
[20:58] <thomas__> konsole brings up no message
[20:58] <thomas__> synaptic and updates havnt been working either....have to boot computer into console and then get them
[20:58] <hamit> does everything freeze?
[20:59] <thomas__> no
[20:59] <hamit> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=550260
[20:59] <hamit> you should have a look at that
[21:00] <thomas__> Thanks, will do
[21:01] <hamit> ok
[21:01] <Rasa> When I tried to install Kubuntu I got a very small screen with big letters: what can I do to fix it?
[21:02] <wirechief> Rasa try using sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[21:02] <wirechief> just use defaults for answers
[21:10] <aaroncampbell> I know that for a while, there was a lot of stuff that didn't work on the 64 bit version of Kubuntu.  Is it still a bad idea to use it?
[21:10] <Badger_> weird, when i set the resolution and refreshrate through nvidia-settings at 1280x1024@75Hz kde systemsettings shows 1280x1024 auto (50Hz and 51Hz as options)
[21:12] <Badger_> anybody knows why?
[21:12] <BURNIQUIST> hello
[21:12] <Wolfcastle> hello ppl
[21:12] <Wolfcastle> anyone managed to run gsynaptics in jaunty?
[21:13] <Wolfcastle> I get an error message saying:
[21:13] <wirechief> check this for setting screen resolution http://www.linuxtutorialblog.com/post/solution-resetting-your-screen-resolution-with-xrandr
[21:13] <Wolfcastle> i need to configure SHMConfig in xorg.conf
[21:16] <luigi> ciao
[21:16] <BURNIQUIST> hello ppl
[21:16] <BURNIQUIST> how r u?
[21:18] <francisco_t> Hi, Which is the package for krunner?
[21:20] <Badger_> wirechief: thanks for the suggestion.however the max resolution is 1280x1024@75Hz Kde is showing the wrong value (and under wine applications show the same wrong number)
[21:20] <wirechief> Bader what graphics card and driver are you using ?
[21:21] <dag_> hi there!
[21:21] <dag_>  I want to change my konsole font, but I saw there are only the default ones, not every font i've installed sys-widly; can somone helps me? (kubuntu jaunty)
[21:21] <Badger_> 7600gs with 180.51 driveres
[21:24] <linux> hello
[21:26] <kginsber> hello
[21:27] <dag_> hello
[21:28] <wirechief> !nvidia
[21:28] <wirechief> Badger ^^^
[21:29] <Wolfcastle> so any idea have to enable SHMConfig in jaunty?
[21:29] <Wolfcastle> to be able to use gsynaptics
[21:30] <Badger_> wirechief:  tnx will read :)
[21:30] <justin__> i need some help
[21:30] <justin__> when i get a system notification no sounds play through my speakers i just get a system speaker beep
[21:31] <justin__> anyone??
[21:31] <dag_> justin_:hi! try to take a look at Kmenu ------> System settings ------> sounds
[21:32] <dag_> justin_: sorry,, not sounds, but Notifications
[21:32] <poetamaledetto> ciao...qualcuno qui e italiano?
[21:33] <justin__> ok notifications
[21:33] <justin__> i just get the system "beep"
[21:33] <wirechief> Badger is that 64bit kubuntu you are using ?
[21:33] <Badger_> 32
[21:33] <justin__> from the cpu itself not through the speakers.   i can listen to music and watch movies and the sound works though.  it is very strange
[21:34] <dag_> poetamaledetto: sono italiano, ma qui si parla in inglese; cerca kubuntu-it
[21:34] <wirechief> Badger ok seems you have the latest driver.
[21:35] <poetamaledetto> ah grazie dag...io sono pure alle prime armi,e l inglese non e il mio forte.vado l.ciao e granzie ancora
[21:35] <dag_> justin_: yes, this is by default: quite good for me, 'cause I hate system bell!!! :)
[21:35] <wirechief> Badger you might get help from here  http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=14
[21:35] <dag_> does anybody knows how to install new fonts in konsole, under kubuntu jaunty (9.04)?
[21:36] <wirechief> Badger proprietary drivers dont get a lot of support form unbuntu , they like the open source issued.
[21:36] <justin__> oh ok
[21:37]  * wirechief looks in his notebook for more notes and cannot find any.
[21:38] <Badger_> wirechief: ok i just setup the xorg config for a fixed mode, going to test that to see if it solves anything.
[21:41] <jean99> hello
[21:42] <jean99> kk1 qui parle le francais
[21:42] <wirechief> Badger_: ok
[21:46] <Wolfcastle> hello
[21:46] <Wolfcastle> I'm trying to run syndaemon to control my touchpad
[21:46] <Wolfcastle> with syndaemon -t -d
[21:46] <Wolfcastle> but I get this error
[21:47] <Wolfcastle> http://pastebin.com/m7266abcb
[21:47] <Wolfcastle> any idea what's wrong ppl?
[21:49] <wirechief> Badger_: whats the story ?
[21:49] <wirechief> Badger_: if you are still having issues check this thread http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=c0507e3e61c5ad6d12dcd958ad366840&t=46678
[21:52] <Badger_> no luck still different values
[21:54] <wirechief> Badger did you compile this driver with the existing kernel ?
[21:58] <aaroncampbell> I upgraded to the latest Kubuntu, and now after I log in my screens go white, then black, and I can't see anything.  However, things must still be working, because I heard my E-Mail notification just a second ago.
[21:59] <aaroncampbell> I have an nVidia card and dual monitors, and was using compiz-fusion
[21:59] <wirechief> aaroncampbell: how did you upgrade ? with new install or from previous
[21:59] <aaroncampbell> from previous
[22:01] <wirechief> was it fully up to date before doing the upgrade ? ie it told you that an upgrade was available ?
[22:01] <aaroncampbell> It told me an upgrade was avaialble.  I'm not sure if it was up to date or not
[22:02] <aaroncampbell> wirechief: I used adept to upgrade...
[22:02] <wirechief> aaroncampbell: hmm well that can be part of the problem i dunno were you using proprietary drivers before the upgrade or just vesa ?
[22:02] <wirechief> aaroncampbell: ok well that should be ok
[22:03] <wirechief> what graphics card are you using ?
[22:03] <aaroncampbell> I was using the Nvidia drivers
[22:03] <wirechief> which version ?
[22:04] <aaroncampbell> wirechief: they were installed through adept, but I think I had to turn on something first, so maybe they ARE proprietary
[22:05] <wirechief> does the /var/log/dpkg.log show that the driver was upgraded ? as you are using a different kernel with the jaunty and the old driver is not compatible.
[22:05] <wirechief> aaroncampbell: well that could be the issue you have, they were compiled for a different kernel than you have now.
[22:06] <wirechief> I would think about uninstalling them and doing a install of the one for jaunty
[22:06] <wirechief> !nvidia
[22:06] <aaroncampbell> wirechief: how can I remove them?
[22:06] <wirechief> read the above
[22:07] <aaroncampbell> Thanks, I'm reading.  By the way, you asked what card.  It's an 8800GTS
[22:07] <wirechief> aaroncampbell: with proprietary when you get a new kernel you need to recompile the sources or get the binary that Ubuntu offers.
[22:08] <webBuilder> here is my question I did upgrade from 8.10 to 9.4 by mistake, thinking that I was not updating the KDE, I really really do not want 4. somehting of KDE how can I can go back to my previous version? my distro is Kubuntu
[22:08] <webBuilder> thank you
[22:08] <wirechief> my experience with other distros that is always the case the drivers had to be recompiled and they always had scripts to do that to make it easier for users.
[22:09] <wirechief> webBuilder: did you try changing the session before login ?
[22:09] <webBuilder> what session
[22:10] <webBuilder> I"m already in 9. something which even the right click copy of KDE 4. somthing is not working
[22:10] <wirechief> webBuilder: on the login screen look to the lower left and clik on the icon and follow it to where you can select the session you want
[22:10] <aaroncampbell> wirechief: It seems that the links assume I'm in KDE ...I can't see anything in KDE.  Any idea how I could get things up and running (even at a poior resolution, etc) so I can follow these instructions?
[22:10] <webBuilder> okay let me try then thank you wirechief
[22:11] <wirechief> aaroncampbell: did you try the randr command ?
[22:11] <aaroncampbell> randr says it's not a command
[22:12] <wirechief> aaroncampbell: what does randr -q   give
[22:13] <wirechief> aaroncampbell: what does xrandr -q   give
[22:13] <wirechief> oops
[22:13] <wirechief> xrandr -s 800x600
[22:13] <wirechief> change to the resolution you want and it supports
[22:13] <aaroncampbell> wirechief: it says: Can't open Display
[22:14] <wirechief> xrandr -q  says that ?
[22:14] <aaroncampbell> yes
[22:14] <aaroncampbell> same thing with -s 800x600
[22:15] <wirechief> aaroncampbell: what does egrep "EE" /var/log/Xorg.0.log    give ? dont flood the channel use pastebinit
[22:16] <powergoal> How do i change the default web browser in kubuntu 9.04?
[22:16] <wirechief> aaroncampbell: are there errors ?
[22:17] <tsimpson> powergoal: System Settings -> Default Applications
[22:17] <aaroncampbell> wirechief: I can't paste off that computer.  However, I can tell you that it gave two things: Uable to locate/open config file *and* open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory
[22:17] <powergoal> thank you
[22:18] <wirechief> aaroncampbell: try this and paste the url here egrep "EE" /var/log/Xorg.0.log |pastebinit
[22:19] <aaroncampbell> http://pastebin.com/f32beebbd
[22:20] <aaroncampbell> wirechief: that worked: http://pastebin.com/f32beebbd
[22:21] <wirechief> aaroncampbell: well that first error is the problem
[22:23] <toninho> oi
[22:23] <aaroncampbell> wirechief: I have that backed up (had problems before) ...Do you think I can just drop it into /etc/X11 ?
[22:23] <toninho> ola
[22:24] <wirechief> aaroncampbell: look at thread #5 here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1134915
[22:25] <toninho> oi
[22:25] <Mac42DO> Hi! I used to spin down the hard-drive with windows with hdparm -y /deb/sdb1, because the hard drive ist ver loud. Since the update to jaunty, ist spins up again immediatly. I shut down almost every process, but it doesn help. What can be the reason?
[22:29] <yms> .
[22:33] <vlada_> hi
[22:33] <wirechief> aaroncampbell: its possible if you have a backup of xorg.conf you could try it and or google around for other peoples solutions, another here http://koroshiyaitchy.wordpress.com/2009/04/25/ubuntu-904-jaunty-jackalope-customised-for-performance-on-a-nexoc-osiris-e705iii-clevo-m57ru-laptop/
[22:34] <vlada_> I need some help with package update in kubuntu 9.04.
[22:34] <vlada_> reading http://www.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-2-beta-3 is clear only to some point
[22:34] <vlada_> I've added repository, as said
[22:35] <vlada_> but amarok update wont appear
[22:35] <wirechief> vlada_:  did you do apt-get update before trying ? was it free of errors ?
[22:36] <vlada_> wirechief: you're right
[22:36] <vlada_> W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net intrepid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9423A34CCA967634
[22:36] <vlada_> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[22:37] <wirechief> vlada you need to add the keys
[22:37] <vlada_> wirechief: how do I do that?
[22:37] <ign0ramus> vlada_:
[22:37] <ign0ramus> gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 9423A34CCA967634 && gpg
[22:37] <ign0ramus> --armor --export 9423A34CCA967634|sudo apt-key add -
[22:37] <wirechief> gpg --keyserver pgpkeys.mit.edu --recv-key 2EBC26B60C5A2783  substitute the right code
[22:37] <ign0ramus> sorry about the multiple lines
[22:38] <ign0ramus> vlada_: you want to run that as a single command
[22:38] <wirechief> gpg -a --export 2EBC26B60C5A2783 | sudo apt-key add -     then do with this
[22:38] <wirechief> substitute the right coding
[22:38] <wirechief>  9423A34CCA967634
[22:39] <vlada_> wirechief: ign0ramus: thanx
[22:40] <ign0ramus> vlada_: np
[22:40] <wirechief> vlada_: np fly high
[22:40] <ign0ramus> wirechief: whats it called when there's a short command (like -d) that does the same thing as a longer command (like --disable)?
[22:40] <wirechief> ign0ramus: ;)
[22:41] <christina> hey where do i get a easy guide ?
[22:41] <wirechief> thats just the shorter of the two sometimes one works the other doesnt
[22:41] <wirechief> christina:  try google for howto
[22:41] <ign0ramus> wirechief: yeah, but there's nomenclature that distinguishes the two, and i can't remember what they're called
[22:42] <wirechief> christina howto whatever you are looking for
[22:42] <wirechief> ign0ramus:  check the command syntax with man commandname
[22:42] <ign0ramus> wirechief
[22:42] <ign0ramus> thanks... didn't even think to use it
[22:43] <skierpage> How can I get a history of package installations in Kubuntu 9.04? (KPackagKit [History] button is, uh, disappointing.)
[22:43] <skierpage> Some dog on the Internet told me to install a package, it didn't work, now I can't remember its name.
[22:43] <wirechief> ign0ramus: however it takes experience with that man stuff,  just learn to do simple things then the more complex will follow
[22:44] <wirechief> skierpage: just do cat /var/log/dpkg.log
[22:44] <ign0ramus> wirechief: so i've found :)
[22:44] <wirechief> skierpage: just do cat /var/log/dpkg.log |name of package
[22:44] <wirechief> skierpage: just do cat /var/log/dpkg.log |grep nameofpackage
[22:44] <ign0ramus> skierpage: aptitude search ~i  will also give you a long list
[22:46] <wirechief> ign0ramus:   aptitude search ~i |grep alsa
[22:46]  * eagles0513875 starts grumbling
[22:46] <wirechief> ign0ramus: ;)
[22:47]  * eagles0513875 starts to swear at konqueror
[22:47] <ign0ramus> wirechief: but he doesn't know the name of the package, which makes it tricky...
[22:47]  * wirechief loves dolphin
[22:47]  * ign0ramus hates dolphin, but is learning to live with it
[22:47] <wirechief> ign0ramus: if you know the date it can be easier
[22:48] <ign0ramus> wirechief: how do you sort by date?
[22:48] <akpowered> yo
[22:48] <akpowered> yo
[22:48] <akpowered> :D
[22:48] <akpowered> man ls
[22:49] <eagles0513875> akpowered: this isnt the command line to man ls in lol
[22:49] <christina> thanks...but i have this problem...get message- could not find a uable proxy???help please
[22:49] <akpowered> xD jk
[22:49] <christina> try to go on google....but cant
[22:49] <akpowered> i only see sort by date :P
[22:49] <akpowered> he can check himself :)
[22:49] <skierpage> wirechief++!  Out of curiosity, do apt, aptitude, adept, KPackageKit, Synaptic, /usr/bin/package-install etc. all write to /var/log/dpkg.log ?
[22:50] <akpowered> humm
[22:50] <kreal> hi everyone
[22:50] <wirechief> cat /var/log/dpkg.log |grep 2009-04-17
[22:50] <akpowered> bye :) PS: LINUX OWN.. Particulary Ubuntu
[22:50]  * skierpage is in a maze of package managers
[22:50] <ign0ramus> wirechief: aha!  now that is usable!
[22:50] <kreal> can you tll me hoxw launch a video cenversation on kopete? (i have kubuntu 9.04 64x)
[22:51] <wirechief> skierpage: check the /var/log/dpkg.log and see if it does when you use those for installing a package, i dont use them just apt-get
[22:51] <Whipper_> normally its best to use just one manager.. if you have to do it with gui..
[22:52] <wirechief> Whipper_: yes one package manager, mixing will screw things up.
[22:52] <Dragnslcr> skierpage- just remember that the basic package manager is apt (as in apt-get), and everything else is just a GUI for it
[22:52] <skierpage> Whipper_ I agree, but strangers on IRC have recommended all of those and more 8-/
[22:52]  * ign0ramus recommends CLI
[22:52] <Dragnslcr> wirechief- mixing GUI's won't screw anything up, since they're all just frontends for apt
[22:52] <Whipper_> and also, no listening to strangers in irc :)
[22:52] <hggdh> question(s): what utility collects data on KDE crashes? Is it equivalent to apport?
[22:53] <wirechief> skierpage: well use one not different ones, you'll create a mess after a while because some use different ways of marking
[22:53] <kreal> can you help me to launch a video conversation on kopete ?! (kubuntu 9.04 64x )
[22:53] <dag_> hi there! does anybody knows how to install new fonts in konsole, under kubuntu jaunty (9.04)?
[22:54] <skierpage> dag_, Settings > Current Profile > Appearance > Edit Font... ?
[22:54] <ign0ramus> dag_: i have just copied fonts over to /usr/share/fonts and restarted X and generally, they would be available.  There's probably an official way...
[22:55] <skierpage> dag_ System Settings > Font Installer
[22:55] <wirechief> Dragnslcr: maybe not while your using one version but when you upgrade hold your breath
[22:55] <Dragnslcr> wirechief- that made no sense
[22:56] <dag_> skierpage e ign0ramus: that's the way to install the fonts sytem widely, and I've already done it, but those fonts aren't selectable in konsole
[22:56] <skierpage> dag_, maybe Konsole will only let you select a monospace font.
[22:56] <joshjtl> can someone help me figure out where the patch or the patched version of xserver-xorg-video-intel  from this bug is located?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/359392
[22:57] <Whipper_> Dragnslcr: many guis see dependencies etc different than the other, and that causes problems, and thats just one thing..
[22:57] <wirechief> joshjtl: are you subscribed to the intel bug ?
[22:57] <dag_> skierpage: may be...I hope there was a way to use some ttf and otf as well
[22:57] <Dragnslcr> Whipper_- I've never heard anything about that, and if it's true, there are some broken programs around
[22:57] <joshjtl> wirechief: no i can be
[22:58] <Dragnslcr> Whipper_- like I said, programs like Adept, KPackageKit, aptitude, etc. are all just frontends for apt
[22:58] <vlada_> I need help once again...
[22:58] <Whipper_> Dragnslcr: i ment synaptic etc
[22:58] <vlada_>   amarok-kde4: Depends: libgpod3-nogtk (>= 0.6.0) but it is not installable or
[22:58] <vlada_>                         libgpod3 (>= 0.6.0) but it is not installable
[22:58] <wirechief> joshjtl: search for this repo 2009-04-27 22:30:40 status installed xserver-xorg-video-intel-dbg 2:<IP_ADDRESS>+git20090427.e55d9431-0ubuntu0sarvatt
[22:58] <vlada_> seems that there are none available
[22:59] <joshjtl> thanks a lot wirechief
[22:59] <wirechief> joshjtl: sarvatt
[22:59] <dag_> vlada: sudo aptitude install libgpod3-nogtk
[23:00] <skierpage> dag_ ttf and otf should work.  I think there are terminal programs that let you use any font, forcing it to monospace.
[23:00] <Dragnslcr> Whipper_- synaptic is also just a frontend to apt
[23:00] <Whipper_> Dragnslcr: yes, i know, so?
[23:00] <Dragnslcr> Whipper_- as far as dependencies are concerned, every one of them should just be going with what apt-get says
[23:00] <dag_> skierpage: have some clue on where I can find information concerning these programs?
[23:01] <vlada_> dag_: No candidate version found for libgpod3-nogtk
[23:01] <Whipper_> Dragnslcr: nope, they do just as u tell them to do, or by default, what is different in each one of them
[23:01] <joshjtl> wirechief: i subscribed to the bug, what will that do for me? just notify me in the future?
[23:02] <Dragnslcr> Whipper_- you're going to have to show some example of different apt frontends handling dependencies differently
[23:02] <Dragnslcr> Whipper_- I have trouble believing any of them will do anything different from what apt tells them to
[23:03] <dag_> vlada: sudo aptitude install libgpod4 ?
[23:03] <skierpage> Dragnslcr, I'm confused, I don't have apt installed yet the package front-ends work.  And where does dpkg fit in?
[23:03] <Dragnslcr> skierpage- of course you have apt installed. If you didn't, none of the package managers would work
[23:03] <Whipper_> Dragnslcr: so you are saying, that by default, synaptic and uhm.. some other package-manager treats depencies the same way?
[23:04] <Dragnslcr> Whipper_- yes, of course they do, because they're all just frontends to apt
[23:04] <Dragnslcr> skierpage- dpkg installs individual packages. apt handles things like dependencies and fetching the packages from a repository
[23:05] <Whipper_> Dragnslcr: well.. then why there is so many variables u can/have to change or manage in each one of the gui-managers?
[23:05] <skierpage> So /var/log/dpkg.log shows "install alsa-oss", but not which front-end installed it.  Should I remove with `aptitude purge alsa-oss`(or maybe it doesn't matter).
[23:05] <Dragnslcr> skierpage- you'll very rarely, if ever, have to use dpkg directly
[23:05] <Dragnslcr> Whipper_- such as?
[23:05] <ign0ramus> skierpage: it doesn't matter which frontend installed it.  they all use apt.
[23:05] <vlada_> dag_: that package is available
[23:05] <vlada_> but I still can't get amarok!
[23:06] <Whipper_> Dragnslcr: arent you familiar with the subject?
[23:06] <dag_> vlada: you can give it a try
[23:06] <noaXess> hey hey
[23:06] <noaXess> was up?
[23:06] <Dragnslcr> Whipper_- you just said that you can set different variables, but I don't know what variables you're talking about
[23:06] <skierpage> Dragnslcr, you're right, I typed `apt -help` and got a "The program 'apt' can be found in the following packages:" message, not realizing it's `apt-config`, `apt-get`, etc.
[23:07] <ign0ramus> Whipper_: some of the gui's for apt may have different options, but all they're doing is calling different commands and flags to apt.
[23:07] <vlada_> dag_: yup! I did.
[23:07] <dag_> vlada: if it doesn't the trick, than you can "sudo aptitude purge libgpod4"
[23:07] <Dragnslcr> skierpage- yup, there's no individual program called apt
[23:07] <Whipper_> nevö mind..
[23:07] <ign0ramus> Dragnslcr: "apt is already the newest version."
[23:07] <vlada_> dag_: http://pastebin.ca/1408947
[23:08] <ign0ramus> vlada_: did you run 'sudo apt-get -f install' ?
[23:08] <Dragnslcr> ign0ramus- yeah, that's the package apt. I meant there's no program named apt
[23:08] <ign0ramus> Dragnslcr: gotcha
[23:08] <Dragnslcr> i.e. the programs are apt-get, apt-cache, etc.
[23:09] <vlada_> ign0ramus: nope :(
[23:09] <vlada_> sudo apt-get -f install amarok-kde4 ?
[23:09] <ign0ramus> vlada_: see if that clears the 'broken' status...
[23:09] <wirechief> joshjtl: they will be making a SRU if this current testing of the fixed packages is successful so everyone will have get updated.
[23:09] <ign0ramus> vlada_: no, just run the command by itself first
[23:09] <vlada_> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[23:10] <ign0ramus> vlada_: does it still give you an error if you build-dep?
[23:10] <ign0ramus> vlada_: i would imagine it does, but it's worth a shot
[23:10] <vlada_> ign0ramus: how can I test it?
[23:10] <ign0ramus> vlada_: 'sudo apt-get build-dep amarok-kde-4'
[23:11] <dag_> vlada: did you put in /etc/apt/sources.list the ppa.launchoad.net experimental repositories?
[23:11] <Byron> I can't seem to get Kubuntu 9.04 installed on my laptop. I used the same CD on my desktop without a problem. I get an error message about the loading of the CD
[23:11] <ign0ramus> vlada_: or 'kde4' (no dash) whatever the package name is
[23:11] <Dragnslcr> Hm, anybody else get a terminal type "dumb" in konsole on a new 9.04 install?
[23:11] <vlada_> E: Unable to find a source package for amarok-kde4
[23:12] <vlada_> that's when I try build-dep
[23:12] <dag_> vlada: listen
[23:12] <wirechief> Byron did you do a integrity check first when used on the laptop ?
[23:12] <dag_> vlada: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:12] <Byron> The error message is: "isolinux: Dis error 10, AX = 4200, drive AC"
[23:12] <dag_> vlada: add at the bottom this two repositories
[23:12] <ign0ramus> vlada_: i should probably ask... what version of kde are you running?
[23:12] <Byron> wirechief: No.
[23:13] <wirechief> Byron best do
[23:13] <dag_> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main
[23:13] <vlada_> ign0ramus: kde4.2.2
[23:13] <Byron> wirechief: How? I can't load from the CD
[23:13] <dag_> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main
[23:13] <ign0ramus> vlada_: add the repositories dag_ is listing and try again
[23:13] <wirechief> Byron you never see grub ?
[23:13] <skierpage> vlada_ did you try http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Download:Kubuntu  ?  (I added instructions for Amarok 2.1beta that worked for me.)
[23:13] <Byron> wirechief: When trying to load from CD, no
[23:14] <wirechief> Byron what about from the other computer ?
[23:14] <Byron> The desktop is running fine without any issues
[23:15] <dag_> vlada: are you still there?
[23:15] <wirechief> Byron your media could be corrupt, im suggesting a check of it would confirm yes or no .
[23:16] <Byron> I tried to connect with the CD/DVD drive I have for my netbook and it didn't read it from there.
[23:16] <wirechief> Byron you can also do md5sum /dev/cdrom with the cd in the player and see if it comes up with the correct md5sum
[23:16] <dag_> vlada: then you should "sudo aptitude purge amarok && sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install amarok"
[23:16] <dag_> vlada: you can copy and paste the whole command escluding the quotes
[23:17] <Byron> wirechief: Where do I find the original md5 for the CD?
[23:17] <vlada_> dag_: I'm trying to follow you
[23:17] <vlada_> but I can't copy/paste that fast :)
[23:17] <wirechief> Byron did you download from www.distrowatch.com or some other place ?
[23:17] <ign0ramus> dag_: wait, he said he's running kde 4.2.2 - isn't the package just called 'amarok'?
[23:17] <andy__> can somebody help me fix my sound problem in flash?
[23:17] <dag_> vlada: thanks for your consideration :)
[23:17] <skierpage> Any suggestions for "no sound in Flash?"  I let Konq install flashplugin-nonfree and flashplugin-installer, and I manually installed libxine1-ffmpeg for MP3 in Amarok, but Flash movies are silent.
[23:18] <andy__> yeah same here. also imeem does not work
[23:18] <wirechief> Byron is it 32 bit desktop or 64bit desktop ?
[23:18] <Byron> wirechief: isohunt.com; torrent
[23:18] <dag_> ign0ramus: yes, that's what i told him ;)
[23:18] <Byron> 32-bit desktop
[23:18] <skierpage> andy__ are you on Kubuntu 9.04 64-bit like me?
[23:19] <andy__> no ubuntu 9.04. accidentally got in ehre but i figured it should be similiar
[23:19] <andy__> if i turn up my speakers all the way i can hear a little sound
[23:19] <ign0ramus> dag_: but if you see what he's been trying to do... he keeps trying to install "amarok-kde4", which is unnecessary
[23:19] <ign0ramus> dag_: i wonder if that is half the problem...
[23:19] <andy__> but imeem and myspace music players dont work either. but the flash ads will display on the same page
[23:20] <dag_> ign0ramus: of course that's half a problem, but without those repository he should has some bugs
[23:20] <skierpage> andy__ , does http://www.skierpage.com/olpc/flash_tests/embed_car_smash.html make any sound?
[23:20] <ign0ramus> andy__: i had a similar problem... installed all packages called 'flashplugin' in KPackageKit, and flash sound worked upon a reboot...
[23:20] <wirechief> Byron 537a22de1342d5671b7e0070f66a6076 *kubuntu-9.04-desktop-i386.iso
[23:21] <ign0ramus> dag_: i only have the Canonical repos, and Amarok works fine.
[23:21] <ign0ramus> dag_: isn't it installed by default?
[23:21] <Byron> wirechief: I tried to md5sum /dev/cdrom, but it resulted with 'Input/output error"
[23:21] <dag_> ign0ramus: did you make a fresh install, right?
[23:22] <ign0ramus> dag_: yeah, the upgrade ... well, it didn't work.  Yeah, fresh install.
[23:22] <dag_> ign0ramus: he seems to be upgrading a intrepid installation
[23:22] <wirechief> Byron is the cd mounted ?
[23:22] <Byron> wirechief: yes
[23:22] <ign0ramus> dag_: hmmm... i thought it would be brought in by kubuntu-desktop or some such...
[23:22] <vlada_> dag_: it works
[23:22] <vlada_> :)
[23:22] <ign0ramus> dag_: huzzah!
[23:23] <vlada_> thank you a lot
[23:23] <wirechief> Byron do you have a usb stick  ? you could make a startup usb stick and maybe use it ...
[23:23] <Byron> Sadly, no. I had one, but tried to put Billix on it and failed. The USB drive won't read anymore.
[23:24] <firevai> hey everyone
[23:24] <skierpage> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok2 for intrepid says "Deleted in intrepid-release  (Reason: now amarok-kde4)"
[23:24] <firevai> quick question
[23:24] <dag_> vlada: that's a pleasure and the spirit of such a community! you're welcome!
[23:24] <dag_> :)
[23:24] <firevai> i got win and ubuntu on the same hd
[23:24] <wirechief> Byron is this a cd or a dvd and if dvd is it a r/w dvd ?
[23:25] <dag_> ign0ramus: what's "huzzah!" ???
[23:25] <firevai> i'm trying to reinstall windows, and when i boot from cdrom it keeps kicking it back to bio's screen.. where it says to hit any key to boot from cdrom...
[23:25] <firevai> is that grub doing that?
[23:25] <vlada_> BTW, what is ubuntu policy on such upgrades? would it automaticaly go into standar updates, or would I need to wait another ubuntu release (9.10)?
[23:25] <Byron> wirechief: It is a CD
[23:25] <ign0ramus> dag_: an exclamation of victory or happiness, generally only used hundreds of years ago, but is kept alive by the denizens of IRC
[23:26] <wirechief> Byron something is not right with that media you should be able to get a md5sum from it. I would suggest you try booting up to it on the working computer and do the integrity test from grub
[23:26] <dag_> ign0ramus: is this like a kind of haxxor term that means hurray?
[23:26] <ign0ramus> dag_: i have not heard that definition quite like that before, but yeah, same idea ;)
[23:27] <ign0ramus> dag_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huzzah
[23:27] <wirechief> Bryon just do a menu selection for the test
[23:27] <ign0ramus> brb dinner
[23:28] <Byron> wirechief: I have the desktop doing some work for me right now, but I will ASAP. Thanks for the help and guidance.
[23:28] <wirechief> Byron ok good luck
[23:29] <skierpage> ign0ramus_nom, I did that (just two packages match flashplugin), and no flash sound even after reboot.  Main audio is Creative Audigy ZS, works fine in desktop and Amarok. :-(
[23:30] <skierpage> Does Flash use Alsa/ESS/OSS/ ? maybe there's a configuration at a lower level.  Or maybe it's a 64/32-bit thing
[23:30] <vlada_> skierpage: after version 8 they started to use ALSA
[23:34] <cjae> ok what am I doing wrong with 9.04 I used the hardware drivers app to install my nvidia driver, and choose separate x screens because I cant stand apps opening in wrong windows but now and since 8.10 I cannot get anything on my tv but and X
[23:35] <skierpage> vlada_ Thanks, I'm trying Deleted in intrepid-release  (Reason: now amarok-kde4)
[23:35] <cjae> and I think now that xorg.conf doesnt make a difference now is that correct?
[23:35] <skierpage> vlada_ uh I mean http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/TroubleShooting :-)
[23:36] <utente> iuu+
[23:40] <dag_> ign0ramus: thanks for your tip
[23:41] <ign0ramus> dag_: what tip?
[23:41] <wirechief> cjae its not suppose to but some users like me with intel have to make special setting to prevent freezes
[23:41] <vlada_> cjae: do you have nvidia-settings app installed (or something with similar name)
[23:41] <skierpage> Folks, http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/SoundcardTesting is pure gold for Alsa woes.  In my case unlike Phonon Xine it's using some motherboard chip instead of my Audigy ZS.
[23:42] <ign0ramus> wirechief: did you enable the 'greedy' settings in xorg.conf?
[23:42] <cjae> vlada_: yes I did sudo nvidia-settings and enabled the tv (separate x screens)
[23:43] <wirechief> ign0ramus:  yes Option "MigrationHeuristic" "greedy"
[23:43] <vlada_> and..? does it works?
[23:43] <ign0ramus> wirechief: i've enabled UXA, but didn't enable 'greedy' ... would you recommend it? (Intel chipset here too)
[23:44] <wirechief> ign0ramus: i will give you a link to some good info
[23:44] <pedro_> hello
[23:45] <ign0ramus> wirechief: well, i've got X using 5% cpu (down from about 45%), now my only issue is choppy flash video...
[23:45] <vlada_> skierpage: hehe I've experienced exactly the same problem a few months ago :)
[23:45] <cjae> vlada_: me? no it doesnt and hasnt since 8.10, all I get is a cursor with an x, I have also tried to use a copy of xorg.conf that I keep for tv out (svideo) (separate x screens)
[23:45] <wirechief> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1130582
[23:45] <dag_> pedro: hi
[23:45] <ign0ramus> wirechief: is that kernel stable/
[23:45] <wirechief> ign0ramus: ^^^
[23:45] <cjae> vlada_: I have even filled bug reports about it like 5 months ago
[23:46] <vlada_> cjae: but you have one screen working, no?
[23:46] <ign0ramus> wirechief: i was reading that one last night(!), but i don't want to install a new kernel unless it's necessary
[23:46] <cjae> vlada_: yes I am using it right now
[23:47] <wirechief> ign0ramus: well just wait until they release it
[23:47] <ign0ramus> wirechief: how long, do you think?
[23:47] <ign0ramus> wirechief: if its in a few days/weeks, i can wait. otherwise, i'll give it a try.
[23:48] <wirechief> ign0ramus: have no idea... this is what i currently use : Linux wirechief-laptop 2.6.30-020630rc2-generic #020630rc2 SMP Wed Apr 15 13:20:18 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[23:48] <ign0ramus> me --> 2.6.28-11-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 17 01:57:59 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[23:48] <ign0ramus> wirechief: do you have good playback in fullscreen Flash now?
[23:49] <wirechief> ign0ramus: also i have the PPA's for the fixes so my xorg.conf is not really a standard xorg.conf
[23:49] <pedro_> i have a compaq cq 60 and i use kubuntu 9.04 the lock botton of the mousepad doesnt work can you help me
[23:49] <ign0ramus> wirechief: i've edited mine as well, but only for UXA and dontzap
[23:49] <wirechief> ign0ramus: i dont know, but my penquin racer flys like a jet
[23:49] <ign0ramus> wirechief: haha!
[23:50] <wirechief> i keep hitting the darn trees ;(
[23:50] <ign0ramus> wirechief: i could still revert to my old kernel, right?
[23:50] <cjae> is anyone here using one monitor and one tv with an nvidia card, and in separate x screens mode? in kubuntu 9.04
[23:50] <wirechief> sure
[23:50] <ign0ramus> wirechief: also, will using a different kernel employ a separate xorg.conf or will they all access the same file?
[23:50] <wirechief> linux-headers-2.6.28-11-generic  still here
[23:51] <cjae> I used to do this in many distros and now something has severly changed
[23:51] <wirechief> ign0ramus: i use the same but modified as per that howto
[23:51] <ign0ramus> wirechief: But will booting to a different kernel use a different xorg?
[23:51] <wirechief> ign0ramus: also i am subscribed to the linux geeks web page where this first showed up
[23:52] <wirechief> ign0ramus: no its same
[23:52] <ign0ramus> wirechief: hmm... i just might give it a try... my graphics are glitchy as hell
[23:52] <wirechief> ign0ramus: i keep a backup of it just in case i need to do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[23:53] <ign0ramus> wirechief: i wish dpkg would give you the option of keeping particular lines instead of just overwriting...
[23:53] <wirechief> i have not had any freezes since applying the suggestions from that thread
[23:53] <ign0ramus> wirechief: heh... I'm doing it now.
[23:53] <wirechief> i am currently using uxa too
[23:54] <ign0ramus> wirechief: is that all covered in the HOWTO?
[23:54] <wirechief> the big fix seems to be this in xorg.conf Virtual 2048 2048
[23:54] <ign0ramus> wirechief: i want to keep my optimizations i've already edited in.
[23:55] <vlada_> cjae: I'm sorry that I can't help you :(
[23:55] <vlada_> I'm using twinmode on other computer, but that's totally different matter
[23:57] <wirechief> ign0ramus:  use at your own risk, the setting for ram is determined by calculation based on my
[23:57] <wirechief> Memory at f8100000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=1M]
[23:57] <wirechief> 	Memory at e0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M]
[23:58] <wirechief> http://pastebin.com/f3f2a06cf  my xorg.conf
[23:58] <ign0ramus> wirechief: wow, that's a full "Device" entry!
[23:58]  * wirechief loaded for bear
[23:59] <ign0ramus> wirechief: so this uses the mesa driver?


[19:23] <Chaorain> hey, I just got my new Haupage 1600 card and I can't get analog channels. I followed the directions here but the scan goes through 100 in channels in 2 seconds. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1600
[19:23] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] Hauppauge HVR-1600 - MythTV
[19:25] <Chaorain> yeah thats the card. (Is Zinn a bot? Cause otherwise thats kinda creepy with the response time
[19:25] <Zinn> Hi Chaorain, something I can help you with today?  I am a bot, use !help to see what I can do.
[19:25] <Chaorain> !help
[19:25] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[19:28] <Chaorain> oh btw this is for the analog tunner. Digital goes at a normal pace but I don't recieve any digital channels
[21:34] <Chaorain> I'm having trouble with my Hauppauge HVR-1600 it says it scans analog channels but it goes way too fast and grabs nothing


[13:34] <ngaio> can someone please help me assign bug #1545450 to the correct package? It's a serious or even critical bug in 16.04.
[13:34] <ubot5`> bug 1545450 in unity (Ubuntu) "Severe Qt visual corruption with default Qt theme under Unity" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1545450
[13:38] <rbasak> ngaio: thank you for bringing it up. I don't know how to triage it, but if you don't get an answer from someone else here, maybe make #ubuntu-desktop aware?
[13:39] <ngaio> rbasak, thanks


[00:00] <ailo> Well, I suppose what is the normal case for most people writing new music today, custom symbols, custom noteheads, custom rhythms
[00:01] <ailo> "custom rhythms" lol
[00:01] <rlameiro> lol
[00:02] <rlameiro> well, in theory you can edit each note.... its a PITA but it is somethin
[00:02] <ailo> It's a great medium for getting musicians to read complicated info and be able to play it right from the sheet, but it's not easy to work with for the arranger/composer sometimes
[00:02] <rlameiro> right click over a note
[00:02] <rlameiro> are you a classical composer?
[00:03] <ailo> I have the schooling, but I don't really do much of that now
[00:03] <rlameiro> hummm
[00:03] <rlameiro> nice :D
[00:04] <rlameiro> where are you from?
[00:04] <ailo> It's great when you arrange classical music, musicals and so on. Then it works really fast
[00:04] <rlameiro> sweden
[00:04] <rlameiro> ?
[00:04] <ailo> Yeah, Sweden
[00:04] <rlameiro> Yeah, i nailed it
[00:04] <rlameiro> telia never disapoint me
[00:05] <ailo> I went to this school http://www.gotlandstonsattarskola.com/index-eng.php
[00:05] <ailo> Didn't pursue College
[00:06] <rlameiro> nice concept
[00:06] <ailo> Very good school, where you get to work with both student musicians, but also professional musicians
[00:06] <ailo> They also have electroacoustic courses, where they use MaxMSP
[00:07] <rlameiro> yeah yeah
[00:07] <rlameiro> always the same
[00:07] <rlameiro> i am getting tired ....
[00:07] <rlameiro> always MaxMSP
[00:07] <ailo> Don't know now, but at that time it was Mac, ProTools and MaxMSP
[00:08] <rlameiro> ailo: its almost eveywhere like that
[00:09] <rlameiro> they doesnt know anything else :(
[00:09] <ailo> I learned about puredata at that time, but it was difficult to install on Windows at the time. Now is a different story
[00:09] <ailo> And, I'm not on windows anymore myself of course
[00:09] <rlameiro> well, windows????
[00:09] <rlameiro> lol
[00:09] <rlameiro> pd on windows still is kinda weird...
[00:09] <ailo> You think?
[00:10] <rlameiro> noooooooo
[00:10] <ailo> I found a bug that only affects Linux, which annoys me a lot
[00:10] <ailo> If you do graph on parent on a patch, and open/close it enough times, pd will crash
[00:11] <rlameiro> the famous one :D
[00:11] <ailo> It is?
[00:11] <rlameiro> if it is not that is one quit close
[00:11] <rlameiro> i saw something about it on pdlist some time ago
[00:12] <ailo> I like to open some patches separately when needed, but this bug makes it impossible, so I need to keep everything open all the time
[00:12] <ailo> Anyway, on Windows, I guess at least the latency is worse
[00:13] <rlameiro> well not just the latency
[00:13] <rlameiro> a lot of externals doesnt run
[00:13] <ailo> Ok, so it needs some more work
[00:15] <ailo> I wouldn't be surprised if Windows will become another *nix distro sooner or later.
[00:15] <rlameiro> me either
[00:15] <rlameiro> neither*
[00:17] <paultag> they'd be more apt to be a BSD
[00:17] <paultag> or a *nux
[00:18] <paultag> they love nonfree software way too much
[00:18] <paultag> like OSX, really
[00:19] <rlameiro> well, i dont believe they would use linux
[00:19] <rlameiro> but hey, Oracle does, why not MS
[00:19] <paultag> because Oracle's not in the OS biz ;)
[00:21] <rlameiro> welll. microsft isnt either now
[00:21] <rlameiro> lol
[00:22] <rlameiro> they are on the bloatware bussines
[00:22] <paultag> I'd be remiss if I were to call microshaft product software
[00:22] <rlameiro> lol
[00:23] <ailo> What are the reasons behind Linux not being the natural base for Commercial OS's
[00:23] <ailo> Seems like they would save themselves a lot of work
[00:23] <paultag> ailo: none, in my mind
[00:23] <rlameiro> anyone could duplicate it at home
[00:23] <rlameiro> and need to make a lot of stuff GPL :D
[00:23] <paultag> ailo: but most companies see it as "their" system where "they" have total control over it
[00:24] <ailo> They can always keep the front end non-free
[00:24] <paultag> ailo: if someone like Microsoft sold Linux based systems, linus would have more power then their CEO
[00:24] <rlameiro> ailo: well, not exactly
[00:24] <paultag> ailo: until they get fed up and fork it, which would lead to a fragmented ecosystem where patches might not apply both ways
[00:24] <rlameiro> the OS itself is pretty tied to the kernel
[00:24] <paultag> rlameiro: that's not true at all
[00:24] <rlameiro> the rest are jus applications
[00:24] <paultag> rlameiro: we have Debian GNU/kBSD, Debian GNU/Hurd and Debian GNU/Linux
[00:24] <ailo> X Window system seems like an obstacle
[00:25] <rlameiro> The OS is the Kernel + drivers + interface
[00:25] <rlameiro> the rest are just applications
[00:25] <paultag> rlameiro: no, that's the kernel
[00:25] <paultag> rlameiro: that's all ring 0 code
[00:25] <rlameiro> as I said :D
[00:25] <paultag> rlameiro: but our OS is ring 1 and out
[00:25] <rlameiro> all the rest is applications
[00:25] <paultag> rlameiro: like the GNU userland and GLibC
[00:25] <paultag> rlameiro: no, the rest are librarys and then applications :)
[00:25] <paultag> libraries
[00:26] <rlameiro> paultag: true :D
[00:26] <rlameiro> forgot the Libs ... shame on me
[00:26] <ailo> They could always strip down what they want to keep secret
[00:26] <paultag> rlameiro: so as long as you write for POSIX standards ( read: GNU Userland ), the kernel ( ring0 code ) can be whatever you want ( NT Kernel, BSD Kernel, Linux Kernel, HURD kernel )
[00:26] <paultag> rlameiro: so one of the most flexable parts in the GNU OS is the Kernel
[00:26] <rlameiro> yeap
[00:27] <paultag> since the libraries act as a good middleman
[00:27] <paultag> so:
[00:27] <paultag> 00:24 < rlameiro> the OS itself is pretty tied to the kernel
[00:27] <paultag> is not right ;)
[00:27] <paultag> </pedantic mode>
[00:27] <rlameiro> hummmm not very clear that sentence indeed
[00:28] <rlameiro> I was thinking microkernel mode :D
[00:28] <rlameiro> lol
[00:28] <rlameiro> like the nevercoming hurd
[00:28] <paultag> rlameiro: bsd is a kind of microkernel
[00:28] <rlameiro> well, but in true an os is a kernel plus Glibc. ....
[00:28] <rlameiro> paultag: yeap, MACH
[00:28] <paultag> rlameiro: the OS is the whole system
[00:29] <rlameiro> minix
[00:29] <rlameiro> well i dont thing nano is part of the OS
[00:29] <paultag> XNU ;)
[00:29] <rlameiro> or firefox...
[00:29] <paultag> rlameiro: they are
[00:29] <rlameiro> well, then we have a problem :D
[00:30] <paultag> An operating system (OS) is software, consisting of programs and data, that runs on computers  and manages computer hardware resources[1]  and provides common services for efficient execution of various application software.An operating system (OS) is software, consisting of programs and data, that runs on computers  and manages computer hardware resources[1]  and provides common services for efficient execution of various application software
[00:30] <paultag> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system
[00:30] <rlameiro> .....  and provides common services for efficient execution of various application software
[00:30] <paultag> humm, guess that could be made to exclude applications
[00:30] <paultag> I never make the distinction :)
[00:31] <rlameiro> hence nano != partof the OS
[00:31] <rlameiro> even busybox ....
[00:31] <rlameiro> or bash or something like that
[00:31] <paultag> well they are all applications :P
[00:32] <rlameiro> yeap
[00:32] <rlameiro> that was my idea
[00:32]  * paultag heads back to work
[00:33] <rlameiro> paultag: good luck then :D
[04:55] <col0ur> Timidity or Fluidsynth?
[04:57] <holstein> depends
[04:57] <holstein> whats the application col0ur ?
[04:57] <col0ur> well
[04:57] <col0ur> for ScummVM tbh
[04:57] <holstein> i direct all my MIDI questions to #opensourcemusicians
[04:58] <col0ur> alright, will try. thanks :)
[17:09] <eviljames> Is it true that -rt support was dropped in ubuntu because it didn't mix well with proprietary nvidia drivers?
[17:28] <astraljava> -rt patch isn't provided for nearly all kernel versions, so that's one part. UKT didn't want to provide support for even the ones where patches were available, reasons unknown to me but no doubt valid in their sense. So it was up to community to provide packages containing either vanilla kernel or the ubuntu flavor with the -rt patch on top, but not enough effort was provided for testing, bugfixing etc.
[17:31] <astraljava> For long it was a one-man-show for an italian wizard called Alessio, but nowadays he's concentrating on -lowlatency and other kernel development.
[17:45] <eviljames> ah
[17:45] <eviljames> astraljava: That clarifies, thank you!
[17:47] <eviljames> I just snagged some info off their wiki as well looks like I'll be investigating what patches they put into the kernel and rolling my own
[17:47] <astraljava> eviljames: Sounds like a plan. :)
[17:48] <eviljames> Apparently kxstudio has a PPA (whatever that means..? :P) for the rt kernel.. you'll have to excuse my ignorance about ubuntu-specific terms, I'm an old slacker
[17:49] <astraljava> Personal Package Archive
[17:49] <astraljava> Yeah those are handy
[17:52] <astraljava> But you have to be careful with them, the packages are provided by community members, and you can't ask for official support for them at all.
[17:53] <eviljames> Yeah, I have my own personal package archive, but they're all Slackware packages.. :/
[17:53] <eviljames> So I'll probably start using other people's PPAs (trusted, of course) and then roll my own in time.
[17:55] <astraljava> That should work.