[09:53] <alexicon> liviux: knoppix is a livedvd now, thats why its so big. the kubuntu is a livecd install, and once you install you can add whatever you need
[09:54] <intelikey> or remove what ever....
[09:54] <Lynoure> intelikey: busy, umount failed and so on
[09:54] <liviux> great thank you so much
[09:54] <alexicon> np liviux enjoy :)
[09:54] <Lynoure> alexicon: I'm not really sure what to look for, nothing mentions it
[09:55] <Lynoure> alexicon: I'm not new to linux but new to kde/kubuntu
[09:55] <intelikey> Lynoure: how bad you want it unpluged ?
[09:55] <alexicon> its crit data intelikey
[09:55] <alexicon> i would venture to say its probably fine
[09:55] <alexicon> ive had to rip things out before
[09:55] <alexicon> but
[09:55] <alexicon> i feel your worry
[09:55] <alexicon> heh
[09:56] <alexicon> can you read the data?
[09:56] <alexicon> even if you cant umount the drive, is it still available?
[09:56] <Lynoure> Yes.
[09:56] <intelikey> alexicon: i didn't ask that, just what measure should we take to get free from it.   cause  kill -9 -1 and umount the thing would almost surely get it.
[09:57] <Lynoure> it's mostly silent, occasionally makes noises.
[09:57] <alexicon> nod intelikey
[09:57] <intelikey> then restarting the system with init 3   should bring the gui back on line
[09:57] <Lynoure> That's better than just shutting down and unpluging?
[09:58] <intelikey> maybe the phrase 'restarting...' is out of place there.
[09:58] <s9141038> 55667788
[09:58] <intelikey> Lynoure: if you would rather do it the slow way,  they are pretty much equal in outcome
[09:59] <Lynoure> I could pastebin my ps results too...
[09:59] <s9141038> bye bye
[09:59] <s9141038> Bye Bye
[09:59] <Lynoure> But I think this has happened once before with this disk... And I'll need to use it in the future. hmmm.
[10:00] <||Trayre||> So, how do I add respotoires to the adept?  Under view I just got review chagnes
[10:00] <alexicon> hrm
[10:00] <alexicon> thats strange trayre
[10:00] <intelikey> Lynoure: if you remounted it ro  the data is static on it.  you could unplug at any time.     only thing about removing an fs that the system thinks is still mounted, it may hang your box.
[10:00] <||Trayre||> I can take a screen shot and stick it in the pastebin = \
[10:01] <alexicon> heh yeah, or just link us up anywhere
[10:01] <alexicon> one of those menu options should have manage repositories though
[10:01] <Lynoure> intelikey: that's not that bad.
[10:02] <||Trayre||> Also, how does one get VLC player? There's nothing to download on their site
[10:02] <Healot> !info vlc
[10:02] <ubotu> vlc: multimedia player for all audio and video formats. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.8.4.debian-1ubuntu6 (dapper), package size 7620 kB, installed size 18808 kB
[10:02] <intelikey> yeah if it ro the data is safe.  that's what the root fs is when you kill the system.  it remounts ro and then powers off.
[10:02] <Healot> !universe
[10:02] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[10:02] <Lynoure> intelikey: I know.
[10:02] <alexicon> yeah we're trying to get there in adept healot
[10:02] <Lynoure> intelikey: I just wish I knew what's causing  this
[10:02] <||Trayre||> >_>; Useful, if I could change my respoitories
[10:03] <alexicon> i guess you could just manually edit the file trayre
[10:03] <Lynoure> Now the pastebin stopped liking me
[10:03] <||Trayre||> Bahaha, I have bad luck with that.  Where's the file?
[10:03] <intelikey> Lynoure: lets see the output of  "ps -A x "
[10:04] <Lynoure> intelikey: did that already, just having trouble contacting pastebin
[10:04] <alexicon> trayre /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:04] <Lynoure> intelikey: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18505
[10:04] <intelikey> err scratch that.  this system is not hardly finished installing and it will want to reboot.   i should mind my own business.
[10:04] <||Trayre||> Strange, the option just appeared this time I ran it
[10:05] <alexicon> lol
[10:05] <alexicon> ok so right click the grey lines like these:
[10:05] <alexicon> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe
[10:05] <alexicon> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper multiverse
[10:05] <alexicon> and do enable
[10:05] <alexicon> then apply
[10:05] <Lynoure> alexicon: do you see anything weird in the process list?
[10:06] <alexicon> trayre if you cant find those lines, just paste them one at a time into that blank line at the bottom
[10:06] <Lynoure> ...other than it getting cropped sideways :)
[10:07] <||Trayre||> They're still appearing grey in the add remove programs, even though I added the respotoires
[10:07] <alexicon> Lynoure: can i be a pain and get you to pastebin this command: ps -A --forest -o pid,pgrp,user,nice,cputime,%cpu,%mem,command
[10:07] <alexicon> do the update thingy too i think
[10:08] <alexicon> fetch update
[10:08] <alexicon> you gotta update the package list after changing the repositories
[10:08] <||Trayre||> So, how do I do that?
[10:08] <alexicon> button at the top
[10:08] <alexicon> fetch updates :)
[10:08] <||Trayre||> Ahh, Genious *It's 4:08 am, And I've been having lots of technical troubles mmmkay? Go easy : P*
[10:09] <alexicon> hehe
[10:09] <Lynoure> alexicon: I'm the one who is a pain here... so sure, wai a min
[10:09] <alexicon> ;0
[10:09] <||Trayre||> Xine is STILL appearing grey, though everything else is appearing = \
[10:09] <alexicon> hrm
[10:09] <Lynoure> alexicon: haa, I think I found one
[10:09] <alexicon> xine-lib?
[10:09] <alexicon> :D
[10:10] <alexicon> yeah alias that ps command, its my best friend
[10:10] <alexicon> <3
[10:10] <||Trayre||> nothing under xine lib = \
[10:10] <alexicon> ok what are you trying to install trayre?
[10:10] <alexicon> you want to get juk working right
[10:10] <alexicon> something like that
[10:10] <alexicon> ohhh yesh
[10:10] <||Trayre||> yeah
[10:10] <alexicon> those libxine-extracodecs
[10:11] <alexicon> hrmmmm
[10:11] <intelikey> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:11] <Lynoure> alexicon: killed a sneaky looking konqueror pointing at it, now get a different error...
[10:11] <alexicon> heh
[10:11] <alexicon> whats it saying now
[10:12] <alexicon> trayer close down adept for a bit and try this: sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[10:12] <alexicon> whats your error?
[10:12] <Lynoure> alexicon: "Cannot talk to klauncher"
[10:13] <alexicon> erm
[10:13] <alexicon> whats that error for
[10:13] <alexicon> umount?
[10:13] <alexicon> yeah
[10:13] <alexicon> get rid of X
[10:13] <Lynoure> alexicon: no joy from umount as root either
[10:13] <alexicon> get rid of X first
[10:14] <Lynoure> alexicon, intelikey: brb
[10:14] <alexicon> yeah loo break lol
[10:15] <Lynoure> thank god/something for screen on a remote server
[10:15] <intelikey> drop to a console and do a   sudo killall kdm && sudo eject /dev/sda1 && sudo kdm   unplug while it's ejected....
[10:16] <intelikey> mmmm eject might error out even though it umounts.  cause it can't open the tray... idk.
[10:17] <intelikey> but eject seems to be a more powerful umount.
[10:17] <Lynoure> intelikey: was no need to, normal sudo umount was a charm after I left the x session
[10:18] <intelikey> k
[10:18] <alexicon> kk
[10:18] <intelikey> so i win the bet....  shame no one took me up on it.
[10:18] <alexicon> lol Lynoure
[10:18] <Lynoure> intelikey, alexicon: thanks for both of you.  I guess removing automounting usb things might help.
[10:20] <GameZMember327> '
[10:20] <alexicon> im not used to the whole *ubuntu way Lynoure still confuses me too
[10:20] <alexicon> everything seemed so much more straightforward and killable in gentoo lol
[10:21] <Lynoure> alexicon: To exeggarate just a bit, I find myself missing my debian unstable so much I could cry, occasionally =)
[10:21] <alexicon> haha
[10:21] <alexicon> yeah
[10:21] <alexicon> well its either this or windows for me this summer
[10:21] <alexicon> so...
[10:21] <alexicon> lol
[10:21] <Lynoure> alexicon: At least with sid the answer to "why does it do this weird thing" was usually "ecause you made it to, silly"
[10:21] <alexicon> i was happy with knoppix lol
[10:22] <Lynoure> s/ecause/because
[10:22] <alexicon> :)
[10:22] <alexicon> overall ive been really impressed with kubuntu
[10:22] <alexicon> its got a lot more automation than my gentoo does
[10:22] <alexicon> with regards to all this plug and play stuff
[10:22] <alexicon> im so used to having to dmesg and manually handle all the devices anyway :P
[10:23] <alexicon> everyday im like wow! my mp3 player is in and even amarok wants to talk to it lol
[10:24] <Lynoure> alexicon: heh. :) I'll gotta dash now. Some silly reporter wanting to visit here in 2,5 hours and I want to pretend I'm deeply involved in my other hobby at that time...
[10:24] <alexicon> haha
[10:24] <alexicon> gl with that! tc!
[10:28] <intelike1> how will i get this thing to boot after installing on the boot drive (sda)   and it will install grub on hda  ????   i cant use grub, it's too weak.   so i'll have to install lilo now. i guess !
[10:35] <Ashex> anyone have synergy running in 64-bit?
[10:37] <evert> hello all , i'm having a little problem. Who can help me with it ?
[10:37] <abattoir> evert: what is your problem?
[10:37] <evert> I really need some space from my 'linux' hard disk , for other usage , but it has to be in NTFS
[10:38] <evert> what's the easyest way to make the ext3 partition smaller and make a new ntfs partition ?
[10:38] <Ashex> qparted
[10:38] <Ashex> but don't change the start points of the ext3 and swap partition
[10:39] <Ashex> if you do, all hell breaks loose
[10:39] <evert> but when i try to use qparted , i can't do a thing becuase the ext3 partition is currently in use
[10:39] <Ashex> boot off the live cd
[10:39] <abattoir> evert: but you must also realise shrinking an ext3 partition is not a reliable proces.. it would be wise to backup important data
[10:40] <abattoir> *process
[10:40] <evert> ok
[10:40] <evert> is there a high risk of failing ?
[10:40] <abattoir> if qtparted doesnt work, you can try resize2fs
[10:40] <evert> because there is quite a lot of important data on it
[10:41] <abattoir> which is what (i think) qtparted uses, anyway...
[10:41] <evert> ok
[10:41] <evert> i'll try to boot from the installer cd and resize it then
[10:42] <abattoir> evert: man resize2fs might shed some light
[10:42] <evert> hopefully i don't loose my grub , then i'm f*cked
[10:42] <abattoir> >>
[10:42] <abattoir> If  you wish to shrink an ext2 partition, first use resize2fs to shrink the size of filesystem.  Then
[10:42] <abattoir>        you may use fdisk(8) to shrink the size of the partition.  When shrinking the size of the  partition,
[10:42] <abattoir>        make sure you do not make it smaller than the new size of the ext2 filesystem!
[10:42] <abattoir> sorry for the flood
[10:43] <abattoir> but that's what man resize2fs says about shrinking
[10:43] <evert> ok
[10:43] <evert> i'm going to try it then :)
[10:43] <abattoir> evert: i'd again advise you to backup important stuff
[10:43] <Ashex> :O
[10:43] <abattoir> better safe than sorry :)
[10:44] <intelikey> mke2fs /dev/hda      :)
[10:45] <evert> going to backup it first :)
[10:45] <ajay> !flah
[10:45] <ubotu> I know nothing about flah - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[10:45] <ajay> !flash
[10:45] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:46] <intelikey> oh a flasher huh
[10:47] <fabid> hello
[10:47] <intelikey> where does buntu store it's repos databases  ?
[10:48] <alexicon> intelikey: /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:48] <abattoir> packages.ubuntu.com?
[10:48] <alexicon> oh
[10:48] <alexicon> sorry
[10:48] <alexicon> lol
[10:48] <intelikey> when you do  apt-get update   where does it write ?
[10:49] <intelikey> i know that's vague questioning     sorry ?
[10:49] <fabid_>  var/cache/apt/archives
[10:50] <kraut> moin
[10:50] <intelikey> is it /var/cache/apt/something ?
[10:51] <intelikey> no not archives.
[10:51] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello everyone
[10:51] <intelikey> maybe pre-archives.
[10:51] <MilhousePunkRock> Hey intelikey
[10:51] <intelikey> hey MilhousePunkRock
[10:51] <fabid_> yes intelijey....it's /var/cache/apt/archives directory where it put all .deb files after executing apt-get update command
[10:51] <MilhousePunkRock> It only took another 3 hours to get WPA working yesterday...
[10:51] <abattoir> pkgcache.bin ?
[10:52] <intelikey> no it's not fadid
[10:52] <MilhousePunkRock> The & was a no-go in the PSK
[10:52] <intelikey> fabid that's where the packages are dl'd too  that's not where the databases are dl'd too
[10:53] <MilhousePunkRock> But now I am not automatically connected to the wireless net when I boot, I have to do "sudo ifdown ath0 && sudo ifup ath0" to get connected
[10:54] <intelikey> abattoir: maybe.   if so it's a db full of db's
[10:54] <ajay> i cannot download edgy cd
[10:54] <ajay> download speed too low
[10:55] <fabid_> hmmm so where does it stores the database after apt-get update? in /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin?
[10:55] <MilhousePunkRock> edgy is not yet a stable release, is it?
[10:56] <abattoir> nope
[10:56] <intelikey> MilhousePunkRock: anything you can do on the command line you can do in a script and some things you cant do on the cli...
[10:56] <intelikey> so add the commands to an init script
[10:57] <MilhousePunkRock> well, with WEP i was connected on start-up
[10:57] <intelikey> /etc/rc.local  would be a good place.
[10:57] <MilhousePunkRock> auto ath0 (or something alike) is in the etc/network/interfaces already
[10:58] <intelikey> just add the  ifdown and ifup commands you said you use,  to rc.local
[10:59] <MilhousePunkRock> Do they require sudo anyway?
[10:59] <intelikey> not in init script
[10:59] <intelikey> s
[10:59] <intelikey> init is higher than root
[11:00] <MilhousePunkRock> is rc.local already there?
[11:00] <intelikey> init is kernel level authority.     yes it's there  /etc/rc.local
[11:01] <ricardo> hi everybody....
[11:01] <MilhousePunkRock> It was empty so far, I added "ifdown ath0 && ifup ath0"
[11:02] <intelikey> yup
[11:02] <intelikey> you may want to preceed that with a path string.
[11:02] <intelikey> milhouse.....
[11:03] <ricardo> does anynobdy know how to load applications that requiere root priviliedges automatically at startup, without asking root permission(im thinking of firestarter)
[11:05] <intelikey> MilhousePunkRock you may need to preceed that with a path string  i.e. PATH='/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin'
[11:05] <intelikey> ricardo: put the commands in /etc/rc.local
[11:06] <ricardo> intelikey: what do I have to add?
[11:07] <ajay> how can i install kaffeine plugin ffor firefox?
[11:07] <intelikey> what ever you want to run
[11:07] <intelikey> preceed with a path string or use absolute paths
[11:07] <intelikey> MilhousePunkRock you may need to preceed that with a path string  i.e. PATH='/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin'
[11:07] <intelikey> MilhousePunkRock: you missed that   ^
[11:08] <intelikey> so did you get lucky ?
[11:08] <dillinger> ajay: install it with adept
[11:08] <MilhousePunkRock> well, it is working already
[11:08] <ajay> dillinger: install what
[11:08] <ajay> which pkg
[11:08] <MilhousePunkRock> probably not the best method since it slows down the boot process a little
[11:08] <ricardo> intelikey: so..I just have to add a line that says "firestater"...and thats it?
[11:09] <MilhousePunkRock> but it's sufficient so far
[11:09] <dillinger> ajay: the package's name is kaffeine-mozilla
[11:09] <intelikey> MilhousePunkRock: i didn't know if the commands would be found or not...   better to always use absolute paths in init scripts
[11:09] <MilhousePunkRock> I wonder why it's still loading the wifi-radar demon although I uninstalled it
[11:09] <intelikey> ricardo: if you start it with   sudo firestarter      then in the init script   put  firestarter         yes.
[11:10] <MilhousePunkRock> What's the equivalent to Windows' "sytem.ini" on Linux?
[11:11] <intelikey> MilhousePunkRock: check the /etc/rcS.d/   for a symlink to that.    anything you don't want to start  can be removed from /etc/rcS.d/    or /etc/rc2.d/      the  'buntu way is with update-rc.d    but i do it by hand.
[11:12] <intelikey> MilhousePunkRock: there isn't really an EQ on that.
[11:13] <MilhousePunkRock> so if i run update-rc.d it prompts me what to start and what not?
[11:13] <intelikey> MilhousePunkRock: the links in /etc/rc[S,2] .d   are ran every boot.    that's init's play ground.
[11:14] <intelikey> if you just run update-rc.d  it offers help.
[11:15] <intelikey> also the links in /etc/rc[1,6] .d/ are ran every shutdown/reboot respectively
[11:16] <intelikey> errr [0,6]
[11:17] <MilhousePunkRock> That's too cryptic for me....
[11:18] <intelikey> ok.
[11:21] <MilhousePunkRock> Ok, I located the /rc* folders
[11:21] <MilhousePunkRock> For example there is a S20wifi-radar script in it
[11:21] <MilhousePunkRock> To get rid of it at boot, I just delete it?
[11:24] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello h3sp4wn!
[11:25] <h3sp4wn> MilhousePunkRock: Hi
[11:25] <h3sp4wn> MilhousePunkRock: Wireless working ok
[11:26] <MilhousePunkRock> Kind of... I even changed the key to a "real" one
[11:26] <MilhousePunkRock> it wont connect me on boot unless I run ifdown ath0 && ifup ath0 though
[11:27] <h3sp4wn> Try adding pre-up sleep 5 (to the bottm
[11:27] <h3sp4wn> Try adding pre-up sleep 5 (to the bottom of the section in /etc/network/interfaces)
[11:27] <h3sp4wn> 'pre-up sleep 5'
[11:28] <h3sp4wn> (It makes it wait 5 seconds for the wpa authentication to work before lauching dhcp)
[11:29] <MilhousePunkRock> Ok, thx, h3sp4wn...
[11:29] <MilhousePunkRock> If it works with 5, can I try to shorten that time subsequently?
[11:31] <h3sp4wn> MilhousePunkRock: Yes - I wouldn't make it too short (to make it intermittant)
[11:32] <MilhousePunkRock> Trying it with 5 now... BRB, reboot
[11:32] <h3sp4wn> MilhousePunkRock: It is a known bug with dhclient3
[11:32] <MilhousePunkRock> Yeah, I read that... I am considering turning off DHCP anyway
[11:33] <MilhousePunkRock> My router is assigning different IPs than it used to do, so my port forwarding settings don't work...
[11:33] <MilhousePunkRock> The User Guide mentions bindind IPs and MACs, but that function is not there in the configuration panel
[11:35] <Ashex> anyone happen to understand this error:
[11:35] <Ashex> libglib2.0-dev: Depends: libglib2.0-0 (= 2.10.2-1ubuntu3) but 2.10.3-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[11:35] <Ashex> ?
[11:35] <abattoir> Ashex: i think it depends *only* on the packge
[11:36] <abattoir> = rather thatn >=
[11:36] <abattoir> *than
[11:36] <Ashex> that makes little sense
[11:36] <Ashex> the only package in the repository is libglib2.0-0
[11:37] <Ashex> which is installed
[11:37] <abattoir> dapper?
[11:37] <Ashex> i want to install the dev for it so i can compile crap
[11:37] <Ashex> yep
[11:37] <Ashex> 64-bit to be exact
[11:37] <abattoir> !info libglib2
[11:37] <ubotu> Package libglib2 does not exist in dapper
[11:37] <Ashex> O.o
[11:37] <abattoir> !info libglib2.0
[11:37] <ubotu> Package libglib2.0 does not exist in dapper
[11:37] <abattoir> !info libglib2.0-0
[11:37] <ubotu> libglib2.0-0: The GLib library of C routines. In repository main, is optional. Version 2.10.3-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 468 kB, installed size 1020 kB
[11:37] <Ashex> okay...
[11:38] <abattoir> !info libglib2.0-dev
[11:38] <ubotu> libglib2.0-dev: Development files for the GLib library. In repository main, is optional. Version 2.10.3-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 485 kB, installed size 1948 kB
[11:40] <Ashex> ah ha!
[11:41] <Ashex> when in doubt
[11:41] <Ashex> use adept
[11:41] <abattoir> Ashex: doesnt look right..
[11:41] <abattoir> Ashex: what does adept say?
[11:41] <abattoir> oh, there is a2.10....
[11:42] <abattoir> 2 10 2 1 that is
[11:42] <Ashex> yeah, it's a little weird
[11:42] <Ashex> bleh, now to grab another package
[11:42] <Ashex> one of the perks of 64-bit, lots of compiling
[11:44] <abattoir> weird... http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin//search_packages.pl?version=dapper&subword=1&exact=&arch=any&releases=all&case=insensitive&keywords=libglib2.0-0&searchon=names
[11:44] <Ashex> that is weird
[11:45] <abattoir> where does ubotu get this from?
[11:45] <abattoir> !info libglib2.0-0
[11:45] <ubotu> libglib2.0-0: The GLib library of C routines. In repository main, is optional. Version 2.10.3-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 468 kB, installed size 1020 kB
[11:45] <ironfroggy> in the alternative installer, isnt there supposed to be an option to use reiserfs instead of ext3?
[11:45] <abattoir> ironfroggy: there is
[11:46] <Ashex> !ubotu
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[11:46] <ironfroggy> its nicely hidden
[11:46] <MilhousePunkRock> That worked fine, h3sp4wn, I even lowered it to 1 now and it still works...
[11:47] <abattoir> ironfroggy: heh, :)
[11:47] <ironfroggy> abattoir: you have to hit cancel on on confirming the partitions, and then select a line in the overview text. thats obscure.
[11:48] <abattoir> iirc, when you choose a partition, and then 'yes, format it' you get to choose the partition type too
[11:48] <abattoir> along w/ the mountpoint etc.
[11:48] <ironfroggy> it never asked me.
[11:48] <ironfroggy> i say "yes" and it will just go straight into the defaults and start partitioning and formatting.
[11:49] <abattoir> you mean, after you select 'manual partitioning' and then select an individual partition?
[11:50] <ironfroggy> "manual partitioning" isnt clear that it includes filesystem configuration. partitions are not filesystems :-)
[11:50] <aliasfred> q. does the apt source list support something like /etc/apt/sources.d/[list of file]  with each of the file in the list contains repository description ?
[11:52] <abattoir> ironfroggy: well, we could keep arguing about it, but wouldnt you need a partition first to have a file system on it? :P
[11:52] <abattoir> so isnt 'partitioning' the main step?
[11:52] <Ashex> well, looks like i've run into  a wall of errors i can't penetrate
[11:52] <abattoir> you choose which partitions you want to format... then the file system :)
[11:52] <Ashex> !tell me about pastebin
[11:53] <aegeanlinux> !pastebin
[11:53] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[11:54] <Ashex> think you can penetrate the errors?
[11:54] <Ashex> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18507
[11:56] <abattoir> it *could* be a problem w/ splashy itself
[11:56] <abattoir> no debs available?
[11:56] <Ashex> they're 32-bit
[11:58] <ironfroggy> why does eclipse require that i install pretty much all of gnome, and mozilla-browser even tho i have firefox?
[12:02] <Ashex> bah
[12:02] <Ashex> i'm calling it a night
[12:02] <D4m4ge> hello
[12:17] <Pupeno> If I build and install linux 2.6.17 I'll need to rebuild fglrx and restricted modules, right ?
[12:20] <larry123> hi, how to add a command to the init sequence before GDM comes up ?
[12:20] <larry123> thanks
[12:25] <arso> when i play videos using any player
[12:25] <arso> the quality doesnt come out that good
[12:25] <arso> its WAY better on windows
[12:25] <arso> with the same files
[12:25] <Pupeno> arso: what kind of videos ?
[12:25] <Pupeno> arso: that is, what type/format ?
[12:25] <arso> tv series, movies
[12:25] <arso> avi
[12:25] <arso> .bin
[12:26] <arso> pretty much ANY video
[12:26] <Pupeno> arso: run xine-check in a konsole and watch out for possible problems in your system.
[12:29] <arso> ok
[12:30] <arso> thnx
[12:30] <arso> xine-check
[12:30] <arso> bash: xine-check: command not found
[12:31] <grand-sch> .
[12:31] <grand-sch> hi
[12:31] <grand-sch> bonjour
[12:32] <nico8481> hi
[12:35] <grand-sch> can someone tell me where i can find help in french or deutch ?
[12:35] <grand-sch> i can try to ask my question in english but it will be i very bad language
[12:35] <grand-sch> anybody able (ready) to read me ?
[12:36] <markc> sure, what is oyur problem ?
[12:36] <markc> your
[12:36] <grand-sch> oki.
[12:36] <grand-sch> i have a laptop (oldy) : compaq presario
[12:36] <grand-sch> the problems are :
[12:36] <grand-sch> 1. i only have 64M of memory
[12:37] <grand-sch> 2. when the installer atempt to reach to harddisk, it stops the installation (hanging)
[12:37] <arso> Pupeno:  u therere?
[12:37] <rpedro_> !fr
[12:37] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[12:37] <rpedro_> !de
[12:37] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[12:37] <grand-sch> can i get a version who can run with 64 M ?
[12:37] <Pupeno> arso: yes, but a bit busy.
[12:37] <grand-sch> merci ubotu
[12:37] <arso> Pupeno:  xine-check doesnt work :(
[12:37] <arso> wrong command
[12:38] <markc> grand-sch> are you using the livecd or the installation CD ?
[12:38] <Pupeno> arso: you have to install it if you don't have it.
[12:38] <markc> Pupeno> what package is it in ?
[12:38] <grand-sch> markc> yes kubuntu 6.06
[12:38] <arso> Pupeno:  i do
[12:38] <arso> i'll check in adept Pupeno
[12:38] <Pupeno> arso: what do you mean ?
[12:38] <arso> maybe i forgot to instal it
[12:38] <markc> Pupeno> but the liveCD or the installation CD ? ... the liveCD requires at least 128 mb of ram
[12:39] <rpedro_> grand-sch: with 64MB ram , you should be running the alternate cd installer
[12:39] <markc> apt-cache search xine-check returns nothing
[12:39] <Pupeno> markc: what are you talking about ?
[12:39] <rpedro_> grand-sch: minimum for desktop cd is 256MB, I believe
[12:39] <Pupeno> arso: ok.
[12:39] <markc> Pupeno> sorry, wrong person
[12:39] <arso> Pupeno:  there are so many i have 4 installed, which is the main one ?
[12:40] <grand-sch> rpedro_> where can i catch the alternate cd installer ?
[12:40] <rpedro_> grand-sch: cdimage.ubuntu.com
[12:41] <Pupeno> arso:
[12:41] <Pupeno> pupeno@plab:~$ apt-file search xine-check
[12:41] <Pupeno> xine-ui: usr/bin/xine-check
[12:41] <arso> ok installing that now
[12:41] <grand-sch> rpedro_> oki, i suppose i have to download it and put it on a cd
[12:41] <rpedro_> grand-sch: and with that much ram , I suggest you try the xubuntu distro
[12:41] <Pupeno> sorry, I don't know if adept can do such a search.
[12:41] <rpedro_> grand-sch: KDE is somewhat memory hungry, so is Gnome
[12:42] <arso> Pupeno:  i am installing "xine-ui" now, it wasnt installed
[12:42] <Pupeno> arso: ok.
[12:42] <rpedro_> grand-sch: what OS are you running now ?
[12:42] <arso> simply installing that, fixes xine on all media apps?
[12:43] <grand-sch> rpedro_> kde or gnome : both are convienent : wich one is better for the memory usage ? i suppose gnome ?
[12:43] <Pupeno> arso: no, running xine-check may find some problem in your system (like disabled DMA) that might show why you have a poor performance in all players.
[12:43] <arso> i see
[12:43] <Pupeno> arso: it is just one guess, it may not be a good guess, but I start there to solve any video-related problems and most of the time I succed.
[12:43] <rpedro_> grand-sch: probably, though really not much difference
[12:43] <arso> Pupeno:   i see, thnx,
[12:44] <markc> grand-sch> consider using something like fluxbox for a desktop system
[12:44] <arso> Pupeno:  i 'll do a xine check after installation finishes
[12:44] <Pupeno> ok.
[12:44] <rpedro_> grand-sch: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto <- instructions for burning an iso to cd
[12:45] <grand-sch> markc> oups ? didn't understand
[12:45] <grand-sch> rpedro> thx
[12:45] <markc> it's a pity that howto does not include console/shell instructions
[12:46] <markc> grand-sch> fluxbox is a small window manager ... if you really only need to run firefox and thunderbord then you only need a light window manager, you do not need Gnome or KDE for gui apps
[12:47] <grand-sch> markc>oki a also have the intention to use open office and a (simple) chat program, eventualy a html editor en a ftp client
[12:48] <markc> grand-sch> for instance, get the alternate installation CD, install a shell based system then only install xorg. fluxbox and the actual GUI apps you need
[12:49] <markc> grand-sch> openoffice in 64mb of ram will be a challenge... all the more reason not to run Gnome or KDE as well
[12:49] <scheuri> hi all
[12:49] <markc> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fluxbox?highlight=%28fluxbox%29
[12:50] <grand-sch> markc> thx for links
[12:50] <markc> grand-sch> nedit is a great GUI editor that does not depend on Gnome or KDE
[12:50] <grand-sch> rpedro> when i go to cdimage.ubuntu.com i arrive to bazaar ... i don't immediatly see how to download the alternative
[12:52] <rpedro> grand-sch: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/dapper/release/  , this links to the xubuntu isos
[12:52] <markc> grand-sch>  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/edgy/knot-1/ <- could be interesting
[12:53] <rpedro> markc: don't suggest edgy, it's still pretty much broken I think
[12:53] <markc> rpedro> a better option than trying to upgrade from dapper though
[12:54] <rpedro> markc: you need edgy to install fluxbox on Ubuntu ?
[12:55] <markc> rpedro> in my case I need a later kernel, yes... upgrading a kernel on dapper does not work
[12:56] <markc> rpedro> if anyone happens to need a later kernel for more uptodate drivers then it MAY be better to start from a recent edgy install
[12:56] <arso> Pupeno: no xine-config on this machine
[12:56] <arso> Pupeno:  i cant find "xine-config" in adept :(,,
[12:57] <rpedro> markc: ok then
[12:57] <arso> Pupeno:  that was "ouch" in xine0-check, rest is fine
[12:59] <grand-sch> rpedro> markc> conclusion : i will burn a cd with edgy and try a new installation run
[12:59] <arso> i need to isntall xine-config, however i cant find it in adept, anyone?
[12:59] <grand-sch> rpedro> markc> conclusion 2 : thx for your help and comments
[01:00] <grand-sch> now my second problem !
[01:01] <arso> help anyonme please
[01:01] <grand-sch> the harddisk is EMPTY ! i suppose so. What do i have to do to prepare the harddisk  as best as possible for an ubuntu installation ?
[01:01] <rpedro> grand-sch: how big is the harddisk ?
[01:01] <grand-sch> 2 G
[01:01] <grand-sch> lol
[01:02] <rpedro> ah
[01:02] <grand-sch> how small is it !
[01:02] <rpedro> ok, another reason not to install a full ubuntu system
[01:02] <grand-sch> yess
[01:03] <rpedro> grand-sch: I would just create a swap partition of about 200MB
[01:03] <markc> grand-sch> very small, I'd say allocate 1.9gb fro the main root partition and only allocate 150mb for a swap partition
[01:03] <rpedro> grand-sch: and one big partition for root
[01:03] <markc> rpedro> sorry, I'll stay out of it
[01:03] <rpedro> markc: it's ok...
[01:04] <grand-sch> how can i check is the hd is reachable ? for the memory i can run a memory-test, but i don't know how to check the hd
[01:05] <markc> grand-sch> from a shell their is program called "badblocks" that does a low level check
[01:05] <grand-sch> markc> oki, how can i go to the shell ?
[01:06] <grand-sch> i am a big newbie isn't it ?
[01:06] <markc> grand-sch> where are you know ? is this harddrive on the computer you are currently using ?
[01:06] <grand-sch> (;-)
[01:06] <grand-sch> now i am on a second laptop
[01:07] <grand-sch> the laptop i want to use to install ubuntu a near me. a can't do nothing with it because it is empty
[01:08] <markc> grand-sch> then when you boot up on that alternate installation CD you will get to a shell (I think, never used it) and at that point you can start to use some tools to investigate your hardware
[01:08] <Pylon> Hi, I have a short question: Is there any good reason, why the hostname must be at least three characters long in the graphical installation mode?
[01:08] <markc> grand-sch> ls -l /dev/hd*  <- will provide the main clue as to where your hardrive is
[01:09] <markc> grand-sch> you will probably have a /dev/hda 2Gb IDE drive so you could use badblocks /dev/hda to check it out and cfdisk /dev/hda to partition it
[01:10] <grand-sch> markc>oki, i also have to use that alternate box. I will first start with taht job and will be back after that.
[01:11] <grand-sch> markc> so recapitulation : 1. burn a cd with  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/edgy/knot-1
[01:11] <markc> grand-sch> the installation procedure may help you all the way through the installation process, however, if you get stuch you can usually go to an alternate shell via crtl-alt-f2 and run manual commands from that shell
[01:12] <markc> get stuck
[01:12] <grand-sch> markc> 2. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[01:13] <grand-sch> 3. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fluxbox?highlight=%28fluxbox%29
[01:13] <grand-sch> 4. look at my harddisk
[01:13] <grand-sch> markc>5. come back here ! lol
[01:14] <markc> grand-sch> yes :) once you have booted up into the installation CD on the laptop then we can help you some more
[01:15] <grand-sch> great ! thx for tips. read you later ...
[01:15] <markc> grand-sch> 'k, good luck
[01:17] <ubuntu___> Hi, i'm trying to install kubuntu from the CD and i ran qtparted and when i click on the disk it says Critical error during ped_disk_new!
[01:18] <ubuntu___> what should i do? is the old installer that was in 5.10 on this disk? that worked well
[01:20] <ubuntu__> ok i'm back, so any help, i can't partition the disk with the installer either
[01:21] <Pylon> ubuntu__: Did you partitioned it already?  So probably you need to reboot, so that your BIOS knows the new layout.
[01:22] <ubuntu__> Well i'm doing a total reinstall of everything, i just installed windows and now its kubuntu
[01:23] <ubuntu__> it isn't partitioned yet, kubuntu has to do that
[01:23] <ubuntu__> kubuntu and windows are on different hard drives,
[01:24] <ubuntu__> oh no wait they are on the same drive but i also have another drive
[01:24] <ubuntu__> i bet your all confused now
[01:25] <ubuntu__> well i installed windows, 15mb for a boot partition for windows where boot.ini is and stuff, then i want kubuntu (which i'm doing now)
[01:26] <ubuntu__> i want kubuntu on xfs and so i need a /boot partition, /swap /home and a /
[01:26] <ubuntu__> but i already have a space for /home on the second drive which is 10gb and that is to be just formatted
[01:26] <ubuntu__> and i think thats everything
[01:27] <arso> do different distro's have different commands and stufF?
[01:27] <ubuntu__> so HDA: 15mb (windows for boot thing) 49gb (kubuntu root) 28gb for windows and 500mb for swap
[01:28] <arso> i still dont know wat the difference is between distros
[01:28] <grand-sch> !nl
[01:28] <ubotu> Nederlandstalige ondersteuning voor Ubuntu is te vinden in #ubuntu-nl
[01:28] <markc> arso> not much, it's still "linux"
[01:29] <arso> markc:  so then wat are the differences between 2 distros using the same desktop environment
[01:29] <ubuntu__> and HDB: /mnt/archive 180GB and the rest for /home
[01:30] <ubuntu__> Thats how i want it
[01:30] <markc> arso> not much, 99% on the surface will be the same... depends if it's a redhat based system or debian (or gentoo) as to the package system
[01:31] <ubuntu__> :(
[01:32] <ubuntu__> is there an updated installer i could use without the bugs?
[01:32] <ubuntu__> or is the old installer on the disk?
[01:33] <markc> ubuntu__> what are you using now ?
[01:33] <ubuntu__> the install CD, i'm using konversation
[01:33] <markc> ubuntu__> dapper 6.06 liveCD for PC ?
[01:34] <ubuntu__> dapper 6.06 Desktop CD
[01:34] <markc> ubuntu__> I did a couple of installs last night using nothing but the installer, worked okay for me
[01:35] <ubuntu__> did you partition the disk manually? tried xfs?
[01:35] <BKaj> 'Morning all
[01:35] <markc> ubuntu__> yes and no, I did twiddle with the disk first but no, I used ext3
[01:36] <ubuntu__> ok thanks, i'll install from dapper flight 6, that had the old installer i think, thats what i used before
[01:36] <arso> BKaj:  hey,g'morning
[01:37] <markc> ubuntu__> if I were you I'd try a standard ext3 install first and let the installer do what it wants. make sure you can boot on it, then try the cd install again for xfs
[01:37] <DjDarkman> hy ,I have serious performance problems ,and I don`t know what`s causing it ,can someone help me find out what`s the problem?
[01:38] <arso> can anyone help me out, video quality is shitty, its way bbeetter on windows, for the same files.
[01:38] <arso> i did a xine-check, everything turned out fine
[01:38] <DjDarkman> arso: why don`t you try mplayer instead?
[01:38] <BKaj> hi arso
[01:38] <arso> DjDarkman:  i tried mplayer too, same thing
[01:38] <markc> ubuntu__> I'm not sure why you need the initial 15mb partition... if you allow 30gb for windows on hda1 as a primary partition, then start the linux partitions at hda5 (logical) then you can have more than 4 partitions
[01:38] <arso> BKaj:  hello
[01:40] <DjDarkman> so can anynone help me track the problem of the performance loss of my system?
[01:40] <arso> hey mplayer fullscreen is coming windowed, how can i have unwindowed full
[01:40] <markc> ubuntu__> I let the 6.06 installer resize an XP partiton on a new laptop and it worked! .. dual boot an all
[01:40] <BKaj> Mplayer does a nice job on this old CRT Monitor-Mitsubishi Diamond Plus 73
[01:41] <arso> ok fixed that
[01:41] <arso> it has its own engine right? not xine
[01:41] <DjDarkman> arso: mplayer has nothing in common with xine
[01:41] <BKaj> yeah markc, check the sizes of the partitions
[01:41] <arso> hmm how do i move the seekbar
[01:41] <arso> DjDarkman:  i see, thats good
[01:41] <DjDarkman> arso: are you using mplayer or gmplayer?
[01:42] <arso> mplayer
[01:42] <BKaj> it's actually kmplayer id yer using KDE
[01:42] <arso> and i have kmplayer too
[01:42] <markc> ubuntu__> ah no, I manually used cfdisk to force linux onto hda5 because I wanted a few extra partitons for testing
[01:42] <BKaj> if
[01:42] <arso> BKaj:  i have both
[01:42] <arso> no idea why :P
[01:42] <BKaj> yeah, most do arso
[01:43] <DjDarkman> BKaj: do you know why isn`t kmplayer functioning as mplayer?
[01:43] <BKaj> hda5 whew
[01:44] <BKaj> the kde desktop version of mplayer IS kmplayer. they're the same
[01:44] <DjDarkman> BKaj: but the hotkeyes and other stuff aren`t working
[01:44] <arso> BKaj:  when i try to open any file with kmplayer i get "xine not running" ?
[01:44] <arso> but the same files work fine with Mplayer
[01:45] <BKaj> oh no sorry ..wrong again , Mplayer is different
[01:45] <DjDarkman> arso: use gmplayer
[01:45] <arso> lol
[01:45] <arso> kmplayer uses xine ?
[01:46] <DjDarkman> arso: I dunno ,kmplayer isn`t the same as mplayer
[01:46] <arso> BKaj:  wats the difference from Mplayer?
[01:46] <arso> gmplayer vs mplayer
[01:46] <DjDarkman> arso: gmplayer is mplayer with gui :)
[01:46] <arso> i see
[01:46] <DjDarkman> that`s why it`s called gmplayer
[01:46] <DjDarkman> but kmplayer is something else
[01:47] <arso> so should i uninstal kmplayer and mplayer? will they slow my pc down?
[01:47] <markc> arso> I sometimes prefer mplayer started from a shell because it spews out lots of info about the hardware and audio video codecs used which can be useful to diagnose problems
[01:47] <DjDarkman> arso: no way
[01:47] <arso> k good
[01:47] <DjDarkman> arso: don`t uninstall anyithing
[01:47] <arso> btw, i cant find gmplayer on adept
[01:47] <arso> is it for gnome or something?
[01:48] <BKaj> anyway mplayersorry guys , I never did get kmplayer to work, but it is on the repos and mplayer is available thru automatix
[01:48] <markc> arso> so is kaffeine not working for you ?
[01:48] <arso> it is
[01:48] <DjDarkman> arso: did you enable some repositories?
[01:48] <BKaj> kmplayer is on synaptic , mplayer is on automatix
[01:49] <markc> arso> perhaps your video hardware is not accelarated and that may be the reason for poor results
[01:49] <arso> those universal and multiverse or something?
[01:49] <arso> BKaj:  are those like adept?
[01:49] <DjDarkman> BKaj: mplayer is on some backports or somewhere
[01:49] <arso> markc:  how can i check if its accelerated or not?
[01:49] <arso> markc:  i have an ati btw
[01:49] <DjDarkman> arso: do you have ati drivers installed?
[01:50] <BKaj> ihave mplayer installed thru automatix
[01:50] <arso> DjDarkman:  yes
[01:50] <markc> arso> oh, I use nvidia, I'm sure if you search the forums you'll find ati/dri howto instructions
[01:50] <arso> BKaj:  how about gmplayer, do u have that installed?
[01:50] <arso> markc:  i already instaled them
[01:50] <BKaj> first , arso see if the synaptic package manager is listed in your adept pkg manager
[01:51] <arso> ok
[01:51] <BKaj> no arso
[01:51] <arso> if not, instal it?
[01:51] <DjDarkman> arso: you have to edit your repositories trhu adept or what you like
[01:51] <arso> edit them to wat
[01:51] <DjDarkman> arso: wait I`ll show you mine
[01:51] <DjDarkman> are you using dapper arso?
[01:52] <arso> i think so
[01:52] <arso> latest kubuntu a month a go
[01:52] <BKaj> once you have synaptic installed  , automatix may be listed if you have akk the repos listed and enabled
[01:52] <BKaj> all
[01:52] <DjDarkman> BKaj: he can do it without automatix
[01:52] <arso> installing synaptic now
[01:52] <arso> wats uatomatix
[01:52] <arso> automatix*
[01:53] <DjDarkman> arso: automatix is a script
[01:53] <BKaj> well dj
[01:53] <DjDarkman> that installes a lot of popular apps
[01:53] <arso> oh
[01:53] <arso> is that recommended? doesnt it overload ur system?
[01:54] <BKaj> DjDarkman: if he wants mplayer , that's all I can think of
[01:54] <DjDarkman> BKaj: all he has to do is to edit the sourceesl.list
[01:54] <BKaj> you can pick and choose
[01:54] <DjDarkman> now arso open a terminal and type what i say
[01:54] <arso> okay
[01:54] <arso> u know wat ur doing right :P ?
[01:54] <BKaj> yes DjDarkman , that's what I did
[01:55] <DjDarkman> arso: I have gmplayer installed right? ;)
[01:55] <arso> hehe okay then
[01:55] <arso> umm adept is instaling synaptic now
[01:55] <omeow> Does anyone know what the reason might be for my vfat partition to be mounted as rw and after a while going into read only mode?
[01:55] <arso> shouldi cancel that? or just let it end
[01:56] <DjDarkman> arso: wait for it to finish
[01:56] <BKaj> by all means install synaptic
[01:56] <arso> okay then
[01:56] <DjDarkman> synaptic is a good package maneger
[01:56] <arso> 60%
[01:56] <BKaj> prefer it to adept
[01:57] <DjDarkman> yep it`s faster then adept for me
[01:57] <arso> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=213026      ati drivers/support are gay on linux :S
[01:57] <markc> arso> to check for accellerated video, in a shell type -> glxinfo | grep direct
[01:57] <arso> ok synaptic is installed
[01:58] <DjDarkman> arso: that`s ati`s fauld ,nvidia drivers work just fine ,but I have a friend that uses ati on kubuntu and he managed to install it`s driver
[01:58] <arso> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[01:58] <arso> direct rendering: No
[01:58] <arso> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[01:58] <DjDarkman> uhhh that`s not good
[01:58] <arso> oh
[01:58] <DjDarkman> arso: what type of ati do you have?
[01:58] <markc> arso> that is where your video problem lies, it should say "yes"
[01:59] <arso> umm i have  ati radeon series 200   256mb
[01:59] <arso> its about 2months old     onboard an intel mboard
[01:59] <arso> integrated
[01:59] <markc> arso> once you fix your video problem then it won't matter which video player you use, they will all do full screen etc
[02:00] <arso> i see
[02:00] <arso> btw fullscreen worked now, just bad quality
[02:00] <arso> so how can we fix the video problem, is it possible?
[02:00] <DjDarkman> ati drivers are just irritating
[02:00] <markc> arso> type -> lspci | grep VGA
[02:00] <thyko> apt-get --purge xx gives me error '"E: Invalid operation purge
[02:00] <thyko> "
[02:00] <thyko> why?
[02:00] <markc>  apt-get --purge remove
[02:01] <thyko> ahaaa!
[02:01] <thyko> markc: thanks
[02:02] <markc> arso> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-145068-p-5.html
[02:02] <BKaj> he has the driver as most ati cards i bet flrgx
[02:03] <dillinger> wow
[02:03] <markc> split us asunder oh great one!
[02:04] <DjDarkman> arso: you here?
[02:04] <DarkWizzard> hello all
[02:04] <dillinger> hello
[02:05] <arso> so sorry
[02:05] <arso> back
[02:05] <DjDarkman> DarkWizzard: arso has same "no direct rendering" problem with an ati card
[02:05] <DarkWizzard> hy
[02:05] <BKaj> arso has the same video setup as me and has the driver like most ati cards i bet, fglrx !
[02:05] <DarkWizzard> what kind of ati card ?
[02:06] <arso> umm ati radeon series 200
[02:06] <markc> arso> type -> lspci | grep VGA
[02:06] <DarkWizzard> aha
[02:06] <DarkWizzard> ok
[02:06] <DarkWizzard> look
[02:06] <DarkWizzard> do you have xorg-driver-fglrx installed ?
[02:06] <arso> cclspci | grep VGA
[02:06] <markc> arso> and have a look at this thread -> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-145068-p-5.html
[02:06] <arso> ok checking the thread
[02:06] <DarkWizzard> arso:
[02:06] <DarkWizzard> listen to me
[02:06] <arso> 0000:01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 5a6
[02:06] <DarkWizzard> Had same problem
[02:06] <arso> oh
[02:06] <arso> ok ,  iam listening
[02:07] <DarkWizzard> so you need to replace
[02:07] <DarkWizzard> libGL.so.1.2
[02:07] <DarkWizzard> in /usr/lib
[02:07] <arso> just tell me the steps pleaes :D
[02:07] <DarkWizzard> and /usr/lib/fglrx
[02:07] <DjDarkman> DarkWizzard: tell him the exact comands
[02:07] <DjDarkman> step by step
[02:07] <DarkWizzard> with the previouse one
[02:08] <BKaj> DarkWizzard: its likely the very same as my ati card TI Technologies Inc RS480 [Radeon Xpress 200G Series]
[02:08] <arso> yes please
[02:08] <arso> that would be great
[02:08] <DarkWizzard> arso:
[02:08] <arso> yes
[02:08] <DarkWizzard> sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[02:08] <arso> xorg-driver-fglrx is already the newest version.
[02:08] <arso> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[02:08] <DarkWizzard> ok
[02:08] <DarkWizzard> sudo aticonfig --initial
[02:08] <arso> its there it seems
[02:09] <DarkWizzard> aticonfig --overlay-type=Xv
[02:09] <arso> f
[02:09] <arso> ound fglrx primary device section
[02:09] <arso> Nothing to do, terminating
[02:09] <DarkWizzard> and now
[02:09] <DarkWizzard> ok
[02:09] <DarkWizzard> cd /usr/lib
[02:09] <DarkWizzard> sudo cd /usr/lib
[02:09] <DarkWizzard> sudo mv libGL.so.1.2 libGL.so1.2.old
[02:09] <arso> ok
[02:10] <DarkWizzard> sudo wget http://darkwizzard.phoenix-hosting.org/articles/libGL.so.1.2
[02:10] <DarkWizzard> after that
[02:10] <DarkWizzard> cd /usr/lib/fglrx
[02:10] <DarkWizzard> i mean
[02:10] <DarkWizzard> sudo cd /usr/lib/fglrx
[02:10] <DarkWizzard> sudo mv libGL.so.1.2 libGL.so.1.2.old
[02:10] <DarkWizzard> and sudo wget http://darkwizzard.phoenix-hosting.org/articles/libGL.so.1.2
[02:10] <DarkWizzard> after that reboot
[02:10] <DarkWizzard> and it should work
[02:11] <DarkWizzard> if not read this
[02:11] <DarkWizzard> http://darkwizzard.phoenix-hosting.org/index.php?link=13
[02:11] <markc> DarkWizzard> excellent, assuming that works it should be a recipe on the wiki !
[02:11] <arso> sudo mv libGL.so.1.2 libGL.so.1.2.old
[02:11] <DjDarkman> DarkWizzard: I think he needs to restart x ,no?
[02:11] <arso> oops
[02:12] <arso> mv: cannot stat `libGL.so.1.2': No such file or directory
[02:12] <DarkWizzard> are you in /usr/lib ?
[02:12] <markc> pwd
[02:12] <DarkWizzard> sudo cd /usr/lib
[02:12] <arso>  fgrx
[02:12] <DjDarkman> arso: he ment to type it in the terminal :)
[02:12] <Kano_Kubuntu> hi, whats the purpose of
[02:12] <arso> ya
[02:12] <Kano_Kubuntu> lrm on /lib/modules/2.6.15-23-386/volatile type tmpfs (rw
[02:12] <BKaj> I think his driver already was the fglrx
[02:12] <DarkWizzard> arso in what folder are you ?
[02:13] <markc> arso> type pwd
[02:13] <Pupeno> anyone with a thinkpad t60 ?
[02:13] <arso> sudo mv libGL.so.1.2 libGL.so.1.2.old
[02:14] <BKaj> yeah my daughter, but she's not here, sorry
[02:14] <arso> DarkWizzard:  somethings wrong .. keep getting sudo mv libGL.so.1.2 libGL.so.1.2.old
[02:14] <DarkWizzard> look
[02:14] <DarkWizzard> cd /usr/lib/fglrx
[02:14] <DarkWizzard> and try this
[02:14] <DarkWizzard> sudo cp libGL.so.1.2 libGL.so.1.2.old
[02:15] <DarkWizzard> and sudo rm -rf libGL.so.1.2
[02:15] <arso> cp: cannot stat `libGL.so.1.2': No such file or directory
[02:15] <DarkWizzard> hmmmmmmm
[02:15] <DjDarkman> DarkWizzard: I think the move operation was successfull
[02:15] <DjDarkman> then
[02:15] <markc> type ls -l libGL* and see what is there
[02:15] <DarkWizzard> ls /usr/lib |grep libGL
[02:15] <arso> so libGL isnt there?
[02:15] <rpedro> arso: problems with direct rendering ?
[02:16] <DarkWizzard> arso: move on to the next step then
[02:16] <arso> libGL.so.1
[02:16] <arso> libGL.so1.2.old
[02:16] <arso> libGLU.so.1
[02:16] <arso> libGLU.so.1.3.060401
[02:16] <markc> rpedro> yes, with an ati card
[02:16] <DarkWizzard> ok then
[02:16] <DarkWizzard> good
[02:16] <DarkWizzard> so
[02:16] <arso> "sudo rm -rf libGL.so.1.2"
[02:16] <DarkWizzard> sudo wget http://darkwizzard.phoenix-hosting.org/articles/libGL.so.1.2
[02:16] <DarkWizzard> let that go
[02:16] <DarkWizzard> move on
[02:16] <arso> oh isnt the next step sudo rm -rf libGL.so.1.2
[02:16] <DarkWizzard> to the next step
[02:16] <arso> ok
[02:16] <DarkWizzard> tipe
[02:16] <DarkWizzard> sudo wget http://darkwizzard.phoenix-hosting.org/articles/libGL.so.1.2
[02:17] <arso> cok
[02:17] <arso> ok resolving..
[02:18] <rpedro> arso: take a look here >> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=143283 , particularly the troubleshooting tip about making links to /usr/lib/dri , it fixed that for me
[02:18] <arso> resolving darkwizzard.phoenix-hosting.org... failed: Name or service not known.
[02:18] <arso> rpedro:  sure, i'll take a look
[02:18] <DarkWizzard> wtf
[02:18] <DarkWizzard> arso: sudo wget http://darkwizzard.phoenix-hosting.org/articles/libGL.so.1.2
[02:19] <DarkWizzard> exacltly in this form
[02:19] <arso> ok
[02:19] <arso> resolving
[02:19] <arso> ok downloading :D 40%
[02:19] <DarkWizzard> k
[02:19] <arso> wat was wrong with the first link
[02:19] <DarkWizzard> let it download
[02:19] <DarkWizzard> nothing
[02:19] <DarkWizzard> it was the sam
[02:19] <DarkWizzard> e
[02:20] <arso> oh.. so wat was the wrong
[02:20] <arso> woops,. wat was wrong*
[02:20] <arso> ok its done
[02:20] <BKaj> is anyone familiar with Kororaa project live cd for Xgl ?
[02:20] <DarkWizzard> downloaded ?
[02:20] <arso> yes
[02:20] <DarkWizzard> BKaj: seen that
[02:20] <DarkWizzard> ok
[02:20] <DarkWizzard> now
[02:20] <DarkWizzard> cd /usr/lib/fglrx
[02:20] <DarkWizzard> sudo mv libGL.so.1.2 libGL.so.1.2.old
[02:20] <DarkWizzard> and again
[02:21] <DarkWizzard> sudo wget http://darkwizzard.phoenix-hosting.org/articles/libGL.so.1.2
[02:21] <arso> nothing happened at "sudo mv libGL.so.1.2 libGL.so.1.2.old"
[02:21] <DarkWizzard> ok
[02:21] <DarkWizzard> then
[02:21] <DarkWizzard> move to the next
[02:21] <arso> resolving
[02:22] <DjDarkman> arso: actualy something did happen then ,but it didn`t output nothing ,but don`t let this confuse you
[02:22] <arso> ok
[02:22] <DarkWizzard> is it downloading ?
[02:22] <arso> its done
[02:22] <DarkWizzard> ok now
[02:23] <DarkWizzard> sudo ln -s /usr/lib/dri /usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri
[02:23] <DarkWizzard> and when youre done
[02:23] <arso> no output
[02:23] <DarkWizzard> feel free to reboot
[02:23] <DarkWizzard> or restart x
[02:23] <DarkWizzard> no proble
[02:23] <DarkWizzard> it has no output
[02:24] <DjDarkman> arso: type ps aux | grep X
[02:24] <arso> only ig ij
[02:24] <arso> oh ok
[02:24] <arso> DjDarkman:  wat does that do?
[02:24] <DjDarkman> paste the second line of the output
[02:24] <DjDarkman> arso: it tells X`s pid
[02:25] <arso> type ps aux | grep X
[02:25] <arso> bash: type: aux: not found
[02:25] <DarkWizzard> well
[02:25] <DarkWizzard> just reboot
[02:25] <abattoir> arso: 'ps aux'....
[02:25] <DarkWizzard> thats the best
[02:25] <DjDarkman> arso: I said ps aux | grep X
[02:25] <abattoir> i think you omitted ps
[02:26] <DjDarkman> DarkWizzard: actualy it`s the same
[02:26] <DarkWizzard> well yes
[02:26] <DarkWizzard> but if any kernel modules need loading
[02:26] <arso> ok got 3 lines of output
[02:26] <DarkWizzard> then maybe its necesary
[02:26] <DjDarkman> paste the second line arso
[02:26] <DarkWizzard> ohh just press ctrl alt backspace
[02:26] <arso> uth/A:0-NOU2tp
[02:28] <enricov> hi to all
[02:28] <arso_> i am back
[02:28] <arso_> wy didnt u tel me it restarts !!!
[02:28] <arso_> i didnt save some stuf
[02:28] <arso_> oh well
[02:28] <DarkWizzard> and now
[02:28] <DarkWizzard> fglrxinfo
[02:28] <arso_> in regular konsole
[02:28] <arso_> or cd /usr/bin
[02:28] <DarkWizzard> yeah
[02:28] <DarkWizzard> regular
[02:28] <DarkWizzard> but it doesnt really matter
[02:28] <arso_> fglrxinfo
[02:28] <arso_> fglrxinfo: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared                                                                                object file: No such file or directory
[02:29] <DarkWizzard> hmm
[02:29] <DarkWizzard> well
[02:29] <DarkWizzard> then
[02:29] <DarkWizzard> sudo cd /usr/bin
[02:29] <DarkWizzard> sudo mv libGL.so.1.2 libGL.so.1
[02:29] <DarkWizzard> cd /usr/bin/fglrx
[02:29] <Pupeno_> DarkWizzard: on bin ? don't you mean lib ?
[02:29] <DarkWizzard> ohh
[02:29] <DarkWizzard> err
[02:29] <DarkWizzard> yeah
[02:29] <arso_> lol
[02:29] <DarkWizzard> thanks
[02:29] <DarkWizzard> :)
[02:29] <arso_> cd /usr/lib ?
[02:30] <DarkWizzard> yeah
[02:30] <arso_> ok
[02:30] <arso_> Pupeno thanx :D
[02:30] <DarkWizzard> and cd /usr/lib/fglrx
[02:30] <DarkWizzard> sudo mv libGL.so.1.2 libGL.so.1
[02:30] <arso_> ok done
[02:30] <arso_> no output
[02:30] <DarkWizzard> now again
[02:31] <DarkWizzard> ctrl alt backspace
[02:31] <arso_> okay
[02:32] <arso> ok
[02:32] <arso> now wat
[02:33] <DarkWizzard> fglrxinfo
[02:33] <DarkWizzard> again
[02:33] <arso> oh god
[02:33] <arso> fglrxinfo
[02:33] <arso> fglrxinfo: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or director
[02:34] <DarkWizzard> hmmm
[02:34] <arso> =(
[02:34] <DarkWizzard> open konqueror
[02:34] <DarkWizzard> with root
[02:34] <arso> kdesu konqueror?
[02:34] <DarkWizzard> sudo konqueror
[02:34] <DarkWizzard> wait no
[02:34] <DarkWizzard> ls /usr/lib |grep libGL
[02:35] <arso> libGL.so.1
[02:35] <arso> libGL.so1.2.old
[02:35] <arso> libGLU.so.1
[02:35] <arso> libGLU.so.1.3.060401
[02:35] <arso> btw wat does |grep do?
[02:35] <DarkWizzard> filter
[02:35] <DarkWizzard> hmmm
[02:35] <DarkWizzard> and now
[02:35] <DarkWizzard> ls /usr/lib/fglrx |grep libGL
[02:36] <klerfayt> I've got some issues with nvidia-glx > nvidia-settings keep resetting ad don't remember my preferences
[02:36] <arso> libGL.so.1
[02:36] <arso> libGL.so.1.2.old
[02:36] <arso> libGL.so.1.2.xlibmesa
[02:36] <arso> libGL.so.1.xlibmesa
[02:37] <DarkWizzard> try rebooting
[02:37] <arso> btw quick question off-topic
[02:37] <arso> how can i change the color in windows behavior
[02:37] <arso> its stuck on blue
[02:37] <DarkWizzard> sudo kcontrol
[02:37] <DjDarkman> klerfayt: what settings do you mean?
[02:38] <DjDarkman> DarkWizzard: he don`t needs root priveleges for that
[02:38] <klerfayt> DjDarkman: when run "nvidia-settings
[02:38] <DarkWizzard> then just kcontrol
[02:38] <arso> ok
[02:38] <arso> then
[02:38] <DjDarkman> klerfayt: did you do this before sudo apt-get --assume-yes install nvidia-glx linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r` ?
[02:38] <klerfayt> DjDarkman: yes drivers work
[02:39] <DarkWizzard> maybe some permission errors
[02:39] <^osh^> Anyone good at building packages here? I have some questions.
[02:39] <arso> DarkWizzard:  cant i use custom colors? theyre all preset with 3 colors
[02:39] <DjDarkman> klerfayt: did you run nvidia-settings with root?
[02:39] <klerfayt> DjDarkman: no
[02:40] <DjDarkman> klerfayt: then sudo nvidia-settings
[02:40] <DjDarkman> and it should work even after you reboot
[02:40] <DarkWizzard> i'm not sure what you mean when you say windows behavior
[02:40] <klerfayt> DjDarkman: ok I'll try that
[02:40] <^osh^> I'm using pbuilder (which executes in a fakeroot iirc) but I still get a "install: cannot create regular file ....."
[02:40] <arso> DarkWizzard:  just the top toolbar with minimize and close , how do ichange blue to red for instance
[02:41] <^osh^> And I'm using sudo to start pbuilder...
[02:41] <DarkWizzard> you cant
[02:41] <DarkWizzard> you need to change window decorations
[02:41] <klerfayt> DjDarkman: and then I got this  ERROR: Error parsing configuration file '/home/kristjan/.nvidia-settings-rc' on line 36: '0/RedBrightness=0.000000' (Trailing garbage).
[02:41] <DarkWizzard> look on kde-look.org
[02:41] <DarkWizzard> for one you like
[02:41] <arso> i see ok
[02:41] <arso> and how do i instal those
[02:42] <BKaj> I'm still trying to install Xgl , however the Kororaa Xgl-live-cd freezes the scrn after booting and scanning the hardware loading the drivers ...has anyone tried this live cd ?
[02:42] <DarkWizzard> there are more
[02:42] <DarkWizzard> maybe you need decorator
[02:42] <DarkWizzard> dekorator
[02:42] <arso> hmm i created new theme in theme manager, and when i click colors nothing opens
[02:42] <pepsi> hrm
[02:42] <DjDarkman> hmmmm that`s strange klerfayt
[02:42] <pepsi> theres like a bazillion settings for changing how windows look
[02:42] <DarkWizzard> arso they are install tips for every one of them
[02:42] <arso> DarkWizzard:  anyways, thats unimportant, ia m going to reboot then for the ati problem
[02:42] <pepsi> is there an easy way to pick settings that look halfway decent?
[02:42] <arso> i'l check it later
[02:42] <arso> brb reboot
[02:43] <DarkWizzard> yeah
[02:43] <DarkWizzard> I did
[02:43] <DarkWizzard> well i got it working
[02:43] <DarkWizzard> but it was really ugly
[02:43] <DarkWizzard> and slow
[02:43] <DjDarkman> klerfayt: try cd /home/kristjan/
[02:43] <arso> back
[02:43] <DarkWizzard> that was a fast reboot
[02:43] <DarkWizzard> I mean reboot
[02:43] <DarkWizzard> !
[02:43] <ubotu> I know nothing about ! - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[02:43] <arso> ehe
[02:43] <DarkWizzard> not just kill DX
[02:43] <DarkWizzard> X
[02:43] <DarkWizzard> you know
[02:43] <arso> i did
[02:43] <DarkWizzard> the reset button on your computer
[02:43] <arso> alt ctrl backspace
[02:43] <DjDarkman> klerfayt: mv .nvidia-settings-rc .nvidia-settings-rc.backup
[02:43] <arso> oh ok
[02:44] <arso> log out  restart
[02:44] <DjDarkman> klerfayt: and then sudo nvidia-settings
[02:44] <DarkWizzard> or just push the f button
[02:44] <pepsi> f is for fun?
[02:44] <DarkWizzard> yeah
[02:44] <DarkWizzard> its for funny
[02:45] <klerfayt> DjDarkman: it's same with cd'ing to home, but it isn't shown then I remove nvidia-settings file
[02:45] <BKaj> DarkWizzard: are you saying you tried Xgl and it was ugly ?
[02:45] <DarkWizzard> no
[02:45] <DarkWizzard> I say that I didn't have enough hardware
[02:45] <DarkWizzard> to make it work decently
[02:45] <DarkWizzard> everything was slow
[02:45] <DarkWizzard> and it fell apart
[02:45] <^osh^> Noone here who can answer some questions about how to pack a .deb?
[02:45] <DjDarkman> klerfayt: don`t quite understand you ,did you move the nvidia settings file?
[02:46] <DjDarkman> ^osh^: look on the forum
[02:46] <arso> ba k
[02:46] <DarkWizzard> ok
[02:46] <arso> thats more like it eh
[02:46] <DarkWizzard> now
[02:46] <DarkWizzard> fglrx
[02:46] <BKaj> IC. it's supposed to work with my ati card (same as arso's btw) , but he scrn freezes afert bootup and loading
[02:46] <DarkWizzard> 9200 SE ?
[02:46] <DjDarkman> I asked the same question and they gave me a link ^osh^ but it was too hard to understandt for me
[02:46] <arso> DarkWizzard:  u mean fglrxinfo?
[02:47] <DarkWizzard> yes
[02:47] <arso> damn same error
[02:47] <arso> fglrxinfo: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or dir
[02:47] <BKaj> I'm still trying to install Xgl , however the Kororaa Xgl-live-cd freezes the scrn after booting and scanning the hardware loading the drivers ...has anyone tried this live cd ?
[02:47] <^osh^> DjDarkman: Got that link? I'm reading the manual and I do have some packaging experience (from .rpm's) but some things are just quicker to ask.
[02:47] <DarkWizzard> LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo
[02:47] <BKaj> oops sorry
[02:47] <arso> DarkWizzard:  thats for me?
[02:47] <DarkWizzard> yea
[02:47] <DarkWizzard> h
[02:48] <DjDarkman> ^osh^: is it the ubuntu pacakageing manual you are reading?
[02:48] <BKaj> arso , maybe you want to check in system settings / hardware/dispaly/admin mode/hardware/graphics card/configure and see which driver is highlighted in the list for your video card
[02:48] <arso> glxinfo: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[02:48] <DarkWizzard> man
[02:48] <arso> BKaj:  check how please?
[02:48] <DarkWizzard> but its there
[02:48] <^osh^> DjDarkman: Yep.
[02:48] <arso> DarkWizzard:  thats weird..
[02:48] <DjDarkman> ^osh^: that`s the link I`ve got
[02:49] <^osh^> DjDarkman: help.ubuntu.com or some such?
[02:49] <BKaj> read the list i gave you, start in the menu at system settings
[02:49] <arso> okay
[02:49] <DjDarkman> don`t know ^osh^ that was long time ago
[02:49] <RandomDude15> is there a channel for avidemux help?
[02:49] <RandomDude15> im running kubuntu and having some issues with avidemux
[02:49] <^osh^> DjDarkman: Ok, thanks for answering though.
[02:50] <RandomDude15> http://www.avidemux.org/pun/viewtopic.php?pid=13814#p13814 - look there.
[02:50] <BKaj> so is ANYONE using Xgl here ?
[02:50] <arso> fglrx is highlighted
[02:50] <BKaj> good!
[02:50] <DarkWizzard> fglrx sucks big time
[02:51] <arso> hmm on the same screen where fglrx is highlighted
[02:51] <arso> video ram is "1mb" wtf? i have 256
[02:51] <BKaj> DarkWizzard: is there another driver that works in kubuntu with ATI cards?
[02:51] <DarkWizzard> there is
[02:51] <RandomDude15> anyone?
[02:51] <DarkWizzard> the default one
[02:51] <DarkWizzard> the simple ati
[02:51] <DarkWizzard> but it has a low fps
[02:51] <arso> but 3d acceleration or watever
[02:51] <RandomDude15> DKaj: save your   self some  trouble and use nvidia
[02:52] <DarkWizzard> and it only works with older cards
[02:52] <arso> too late for me to switch to nvidia, my card is 1month old
[02:52] <BKaj> video ram is different than regular memory ram
[02:52] <arso> ya vga memory right?
[02:52] <DarkWizzard> you just need to put that file in place
[02:52] <arso> my regular ram is 1gb
[02:52] <RandomDude15> I've rather run a 64MB nvidia than a  512MB ati on linux.
[02:52] <DarkWizzard> i have to go
[02:52] <DarkWizzard> bye all
[02:53] <RandomDude15> cya
[02:53] <arso> omg
[02:53] <arso> i am screwed :P
[02:53] <arso> BKaj:  so how come it shows 1mb?
[02:53] <BKaj> yeah RandomDude, well , I'm not a gamer
[02:53] <arso> brb toilet
[02:54] <BKaj> thats' video memory not pc memory arso
[02:56] <RandomDude15> anyone want to help me with avidemux?
[02:58] <Kr4t05> The eject button on my DVD/CD-RW combo drive doesn't work.
[02:59] <Kr4t05> I can use sudo eject /dev/hdb but I want my eject button. ><
[02:59] <arso> BKaj:  back.
[03:00] <arso> BKaj:  i know, my vga is 256 mb
[03:00] <arso> Pupeno:  ur ati?
[03:00] <Pupeno> arso: what ?
[03:00] <arso> Pupeno:  vga is ATI ?
[03:01] <Pupeno> arso: errr, no vga is some kind of specification, ATI is a company that doesn't respect people's freedom.
[03:02] <DjDarkman> Kr4t05: try automatix ,it has a solution for that
[03:02] <arso> lol
[03:03] <Pupeno> I configured my wireless access point to be totally open: no wep, no wpa, yet, I can't connect to it.  Use at your own risk. For help with and discussion of automatix please join #automatix.
[03:03] <Tm_T>  Use at your own risk
[03:04] <DjDarkman> Kr4t05: right it suxx ,but it`s script is good if you open it with a text editor and try to do it youreself
[03:08] <DjDarkman> is there a forum moderator here?
[03:09] <BKaj> automatix works ok if ya don't try to install too much at one time
[03:09] <BKaj> apokryphos howdy
[03:10] <DjDarkman> BKaj: I say the best thing is to open it`s script with a text editor and do those thing youreself ,that way you can even see what it does
[03:10] <apokryphos-> hi
[03:11] <BKaj> ok DjDarkman
[03:11] <BKaj> apokryphos, do use Xgl ?
[03:11] <apokryphos-> yes
[03:12] <BKaj> I'm trying to install it from Kororaa live cd , but my scrn freezes upon loading after booting in
[03:13] <apokryphos-> install it from the CD? What?
[03:13] <BKaj> prolly the ati driver ...the guys here say it's shit
[03:14] <BKaj> Kororaa live cd, http://kororaa.org/static.php?page=static060318-181203#download
[03:16] <apokryphos> ATI kind of sucks, yes
[03:16] <apokryphos> I still have no idea what you mean by install xgl from Kororaa live CD
[03:16] <apokryphos> !xgl
[03:16] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[03:17] <BKaj> the Korora site says my ati card driver ( fglrx ) is supposed to work
[03:17] <Pupeno> mmhh... I am having trouble finding my own access point and my neighbors', that is, in one scan I see one, then I see the other, then I see none for a couple of scans and this is driving me crazy. Maybe it is possible that something is causing a major interference around here ?
[03:27] <caribou7> Anyone know how to disable the X style copy and paste behavior (specifically where highlighting text with the mouse destroys the current clipboard contents)?
[03:28] <Pupeno> caribou7: here it doesn't destroy the ctrl-c/ctrl-v clipboard, they are two separate clipboards.
[03:30] <caribou7> Let me experiment a second, it was pasting URL's into Firefox that was the main problem...
[03:32] <Pupeno> caribou7: oh, maybe firefox is only accessing the X clipboard (and not the KDE one).
[03:35] <caribou7> No, it does work the way you said. But I found another annoyance regarding the numeric keypad...
[03:37] <caribou7> Why does pressing SHIFT+insert give you the number 0 (zero) rather than inserting text UNLESS you keep numlock on (and is there any way to change that)?
[03:38] <wredna_suka> hello
[03:39] <dj_baggio> wredna_suka: your nickname are very, very bad
[03:39] <wredna_suka> dj_baggio: why?
[03:39] <Pupeno> caribou7: depending on where the numlock is, shift and that key would be shift-insert or shift-0, two different 'keystrokes'. shift-0 prints 0... if you want it to paste, edit the shortcuts.
[03:40] <dj_baggio> wredna_suka: mam Ci qwa powiedzie dlaczego?:>
[03:48] <wredna_suka> dj_baggio: nie podskakuj
[03:49] <DjDarkman> how can I make the latest amarok for ubuntu work other engines than xine?
[03:49] <Russel> hiho
[03:49] <Russel> why is the twinkle version in ubuntu so old?
[03:49] <wredna_suka> DjDarkman: enable them at compilation?
[03:49] <Russel> 0.42 and the actual version is 0.81
[03:50] <DjDarkman> wredna_suka: I have the package ,I didn`t compile it
[03:50] <dj_baggio> hop, hop :)
[03:51] <wredna_suka> DjDarkman: which engines do you want to work with?
[03:51] <DjDarkman> gstreamer for example
[03:53] <wredna_suka> I don't know, I always compile Amarok
[03:54] <wredna_suka> there's a package "amarok-engines", have you tried it out?
[03:55] <wredna_suka> dj_baggio: nie podskakuj bo sufit gow przebijesz :P
[03:58] <no_plan> Hi
[03:59] <wredna_suka> no_plan: Hi
[03:59] <no_plan> I am trying to install kubuntu 6.06 on a new system (bare unformated hdd). I booted into the live version and started the installation. However, I want to use manual partitioning.
[03:59] <wredna_suka> no_plan: and what's the problem?
[04:00] <no_plan> When I start the partitioning tool, I can make new partitions and format them, however, I cannot assign any mountpoints or swap space in the next step. The drop down box for selection of partitions i sempty.
[04:00] <no_plan> When I klick on "next" it complains (of course) I have no swap space assigned.
[04:00] <no_plan> Is that a bug or do I simply need to RTFM?
[04:01] <no_plan> Automatic partitioning (kubuntu choses a two partition layout with a swap partition of unknown size in the end of the disk) works fine.
[04:01] <wredna_suka> sorry, i don't know, i didn't install desktop (that is live) version
[04:02] <toka> hi
[04:02] <no_plan> wredna_suka: Well, it is the only way to do it with 6.06. There is no way to install without the live version detour.
[04:02] <no_plan> wredna_suka: or is there?
[04:02] <wredna_suka> traditional installer didn't ever fail me though
[04:03] <toka> ich hab ein asus board mit dem realtek ALC850 chip..wie kann ich den SPDif aktivieren?
[04:03] <wredna_suka> i think there isn't, the only way is download alternate version
[04:03] <no_plan> wredna_suka: another full disk image?? ARGH!
[04:04] <no_plan> anybody here ever used the standard installer and successfully partitioned the harddisk manually?
[04:04] <wredna_suka> but i don't guarantee it helps :(
[04:04] <no_plan> toka: Vielleicht besser auf Englisch?
[04:05] <toka> no_plan: ok.danke
[04:05] <wredna_suka> ok, bye for now
[04:05] <wredna_suka> idzie burza, trza kompa wyczy
[04:06] <toka> How can I activate the SPDIF output? Realtek ALC850
[04:06] <Tommy2k4> when i boot up it tries to open sendmail even though ive apt-get remove sendmail, rm /etc/init.d/sendmail, update-rc.d sendmail remove
[04:07] <Tommy2k4> how can i stop it
[04:07] <dj_baggio> wredna_suka is curse in polish :)
[04:08] <Hotwired> hey, is there an on-line alternate for "deb file:/var/cache/apt-build/repository apt-build main" as this produces an error
[04:10] <no_plan> toka: hmm, have you checked http://www.alsa-project.org/
[04:10] <toka> no_plan: not i haven't..thanks a lot
[04:13] <no_plan> toka: ALSA drivers are included in all 2.6.x kernels, including *buntu.
[04:19] <Jack1> hi guys
[04:19] <Jack1> who knows if the sony w800i or w700i work with kontact?
[04:20] <Jack1> in tuxmobile etc i didnt find them
[04:22] <GIGANTOR> alright, well i've asked in #wine, but nobody is answering
[04:22] <GIGANTOR> does anyone know if the .net framework works in Wine?
[04:22] <h3sp4wn> GIGANTOR: #winehq is what you want
[04:23] <GIGANTOR> ahh, ok
[04:23] <GIGANTOR> =)
[04:23] <h3sp4wn> GIGANTOR: However if its your application you should use mono
[04:23] <GIGANTOR> !mono
[04:23] <ubotu> I know nothing about mono - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[04:23] <GIGANTOR> ;\
[04:23] <GIGANTOR> i'll try that channel, thanks bro
[04:32] <grizzly> My apps keys doesn't work in konsole/Opera
[04:32] <grizzly> is it normal, or do I file a bug report. Confirm plz
[04:33] <grizzly> it works fine in kcontrol
[04:37] <Child4Christ> i installed apache2, php5, php5mysql and mysql-server, i need to host forums and i dont know about ftp servers, anyone know one thats good?
[04:38] <h3sp4wn> Child4Christ: Don't use phpbb (The code is horrible and it has many security problems)
[04:38] <Tommy2k4> grizzly, which keys dont work
[04:38] <Child4Christ> its Simple Machines
[04:39] <Child4Christ> testing the servers for now but i need to get it all sorted before tuesday
[04:39] <grizzly> Tommy2k4: the [apps]  keys . the key sto the right of the right alt key.
[04:40] <Child4Christ> all works fine but it wants to know ftp details, no ftp server so im after one with good documentation i can apt-get
[04:40] <grizzly> sry, its to the right of the right win key ( left of the right ctrl key)
[04:40] <KaiHanari> Child4Christ,  proftpd, its documented in a howto on the forums
[04:40] <wily_> i try kismet as wireless detector
[04:40] <Child4Christ> thx :)
[04:40] <KaiHanari> i'll find the link
[04:40] <wily_> but it is too hard ti use
[04:40] <wily_> for me
[04:41] <wily_> anyone knows something most simple
[04:41] <wily_> ?
[04:41] <h3sp4wn> wily_: For cracking into other peoples networks ?
[04:41] <wily_> no
[04:41] <h3sp4wn> wily_: You shouldn't ask about stuff like that in here
[04:41] <wily_> i need tio try my wireless resistence
[04:42] <wily_> i've made a wireless
[04:42] <h3sp4wn> If you are using wep you have none
[04:42] <wily_> and i want to test it
[04:43] <KaiHanari> Child4Christ, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=79588&highlight=howto+proftpd     theres also a graphical tool for administrating it i hear, just gimmie a sec on that
[04:44] <Child4Christ> ty KaiHanari :)
[04:45] <KaiHanari> Child4Christ, if you just apt-get install gproftpd     it will install all you need, i dont know how easy gproftpd is to use though, downloading it now to find out for you...
[04:45] <stanks> hi
[04:46] <Child4Christ> ty KaiHanari appreciate your help :)
[04:47] <KaiHanari> no prob Child4Christ , any time
[04:47] <Child4Christ> random but why do i get this? (gproftpd:28174): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[04:48] <arso> hmm, when i try to open froen bubble (game_ it shows its loading then closses. was working fine earlier
[04:48] <KaiHanari> Child4Christ, did you use sudo to run gproftpd? or did you have a root login going to use it?
[04:49] <Child4Christ> root login
[04:49] <KaiHanari> Child4Christ, open a new terminal as your own user, and use sudo
[04:49] <KaiHanari> unless your only logged in by SSH
[04:49] <Child4Christ> worked, ty :)
[04:51] <Child4Christ> in terms of security, should i have ftp usrs (people i host for) have a /home/dir or is it ok to leave them in /var/www?
[04:52] <centyx> Child4Christ: i would chroot them to whatever dir they have access to
[04:53] <Child4Christ> atm no one has it, tuesday they will though
[04:53] <h3sp4wn> Child4Christ: If it is going to be externally accessible I would build a chrooted apache from source
[04:54] <Child4Christ> is it possible to just alter the apache .conf file to add a vhost for them to direct them to a /home/hosted/www/dir for the forums they want?
[04:55] <h3sp4wn> I would want it completely seperate from the host sytem
[04:55] <h3sp4wn> system
[04:56] <Child4Christ> i have another 2 servers but my desktops the highest spec (not much but still) but its just like 2 forums, not publically hosting, mine and my gfs forums are the only ones being hosted
[04:57] <centyx> h3sp4wn: what do you think about chrooting via mod_security?
[04:58] <centyx> i haven't run chrooted apache since I quit using openbsd
[05:01] <h3sp4wn> centyx: If I ever had any externally accessible server I would run just what is absolutely necessary (from in jail if I was using bsd) and build it from source with just what I needed
[05:02] <h3sp4wn> centyx: I don't trust anything that someone can attempt to break into 24/7 with anything else (and I don't like running firewalls on the server)
[05:02] <ChefWill> anyone know of an applet for panels that will show current online (gaim/kopete) buddies?
[05:05] <Tommy2k4> when i boot up it tries to open sendmail even though ive apt-get remove sendmail, rm /etc/init.d/sendmail, update-rc.d sendmail remove
[05:05] <Tommy2k4> how can i stop it
[05:05] <Tommy2k4> it adds like a minute to bootup time
[05:08] <user-land> Hello, what do you use to configure a bluetooth connection on Kubuntu ?
[05:09] <GIGANTOR> user-land: Goto "System Settings" on the Kmenu
[05:09] <GIGANTOR> you'll see a BlueTooth icon
[05:10] <user-land> gigantor, i still have the gnome panel from Ubuntu instead of the Kmenu, do you know how to change that ? i just installed kubuntu-desktop on my ubuntu and rebooted into kde ...
[05:11] <Jazon> hi - any gimp users here?
[05:11] <GIGANTOR> did you uninstall the gnome-desktop as well?
[05:12] <hub> this time i"m the real Hub
[05:13] <NetSKaVeN> hell-o!
[05:13] <user-land> you mean ubuntu-desktop, gigantor ?
[05:13] <GIGANTOR> yeah, sorry
[05:13] <user-land> i removed it now.
[05:13] <GIGANTOR> reboot and give it a whirl
[05:13] <user-land> thanks.
[05:13] <hub> is there any firefox -> konqueror migration tool for Kubuntu?
[05:14] <GIGANTOR> come tell us if it works
[05:14] <GIGANTOR> ;)
[05:14] <GIGANTOR> so i'll know if i know what i'm doing or not, lol
[05:14] <user-land> sure, see you.
[05:14] <GIGANTOR> in theory that's probably it though
[05:15] <GIGANTOR> Hub- i'm not real sure, maybe someone knows
[05:15] <GIGANTOR> i've never heard of one though
[05:16] <Pupeno> hub: what do you need to migrate, the bookmarks ?
[05:16] <hub> and password
[05:16] <hub> bookmark should be easy
[05:16] <Pupeno> hub: o, those... I don't think so.
[05:16] <hub> password probably less
[05:16] <GIGANTOR> yeah, i just looked through the bookmarks, thats no problem
[05:16] <hub> looks like i"m boned
[05:16] <hub> or doomed to write it
[05:17] <hub> like the f-spot -> digikam
[05:17] <GIGANTOR> how many pw's do you have?  =S
[05:17] <GIGANTOR> or did you forget one, lol
[05:17] <GIGANTOR> if so i can help with that
[05:19] <Tommy2k4> when i boot up it tries to open sendmail even though ive apt-get remove sendmail, rm /etc/init.d/sendmail, update-rc.d sendmail remove
[05:19] <Tommy2k4> how can i stop it
[05:19] <GIGANTOR> wb user-land
[05:19] <NetSKaVeN> I need someone try to access http://www.alesti.org with Konqueror 3.5.3
[05:19] <hub> GIGANTOR: I have enough password stored on several machines
[05:19] <user-land> thanks, gigantor. ubuntu-desktop is an empty meta-package, removing it does not change anything immediatly ...
[05:20] <hub> GIGANTOR: but that is not the point
[05:20] <Pupeno> user-land: unless you use aptitude, which is the nice thing about aptitude :)
[05:20] <GIGANTOR> so it didn't do anything... hmm
[05:20] <GIGANTOR> see if you can run command "kcontrol"
[05:21] <user-land> yes, it opens the KDE control panel :-)
[05:21] <GIGANTOR> then go into Internet and Network
[05:21] <GIGANTOR> and you'll see Bluetooth
[05:21] <Pupeno> NetSKaVeN: since Kubuntu comes with Konqueror 3.5.2, you may want to ask somewhere else, like #kde
[05:22] <GIGANTOR> ;)
[05:22] <NetSKaVeN> Pupeno: it is a kubuntu packages problem, other KDE 3.5.3 are working ok
[05:22] <Pupeno> NetSKaVeN: oh! sorry.
[05:23] <NetSKaVeN> but I need someone trying it so I can determinate if it's my problem or kubuntu problem
[05:23] <abattoir> NetSKaVeN: works for me
[05:24] <abattoir> NetSKaVeN: try changing browser id
[05:24] <GIGANTOR> abattoir, have you seen aegean lately?
[05:24] <||Trayer||> Can anyone help me out? I'm trying to install Unreal Tournament 2004, And it is a ".sh" file.  I know this is a shell script, just not sure how to run it.
[05:24] <NetSKaVeN> abattoir: I will try, thanks
[05:24] <abattoir> !seen aegeanlinux
[05:24] <ubotu> I last saw aegeanlinux<EMAIL_ADDRESS>4h 34m 18s ago, quiting: Remote closed the connection
[05:24] <GIGANTOR> not the linux version, teh dooder
[05:24] <abattoir> GIGANTOR: ^^^^^ :)
[05:24] <GIGANTOR> ;P
[05:24] <GIGANTOR> oh ok
[05:24] <GIGANTOR> lol
[05:25] <||Trayer||> And it is titled, "Linux-Installer".
[05:25] <GIGANTOR> ;P
[05:25] <abattoir> ||Trayer||: want to run it as root?
[05:25] <user-land> thanks, gigantor.
[05:25] <GIGANTOR> woot woot, your connection works?
[05:25] <user-land> how do i set a bluetooth password ?
[05:25] <abattoir> ||Trayer||: 'sudo sh ./filename.sh'
[05:26] <||Trayer||> abattoir: Root is good
[05:26] <GIGANTOR> lemme look
[05:26] <||Trayer||> Thanks abbatoir
[05:26] <GIGANTOR> although i'm not sure i can get that far without any actual bluetooth periphs
[05:26] <||Trayer||> or however you spell it : P
[05:26] <abattoir> user-land: /etc/bluetooth/pin
[05:27] <NetSKaVeN> abattoir: not working here :-mm
[05:27] <user-land> abattoir:/etc/bluetooth/pin
[05:27] <user-land> command not found.
[05:28] <||Trayer||> Is there a way to make so I don't have to type sudo before every command? I'm not really used to doing it and I forget alot
[05:28] <abattoir> user-land: its a file, you need to edit it as root and put the pin in
[05:28] <user-land> ah, thanks.
[05:29] <||Trayer||> How does one move into a Mounted cd in the terminal?
[05:30] <Tommy2k4> how can i get rid of every trace of sendmail and stop it trying to open on bootup (i already uninstalled it but it still tries to open and adds over a minute to bootup time)
[05:30] <abattoir> NetSKaVeN: sorry, i dont know what exactly should load.... however, Konq seems to think there is a Javascript error
[05:31] <||Trayer||> How do I move into a mounted CD drive?
[05:31] <NetSKaVeN> abattoir: do you see rss feed reader?
[05:31] <Tommy2k4> /media/cdrom
[05:31] <abattoir> ||Trayer||: in a terminal?
[05:31] <Skaman_> hi guys can anybody help me?
[05:31] <Skaman_> i'm trying to install wpa supplicant
[05:31] <||Trayer||> Yep, Tommy2k4 answered it thanks tommy ^,^
[05:32] <Skaman_> but when i give the "make" cmd i have this error: "make: *** No rule to make target `config.o', needed by `wpa_supplicant'.  Stop"
[05:32] <abattoir> NetSKaVeN: I dont thinks so... there is nothing below the link for the fora
[05:32] <abattoir> Skaman_: did you run './conigure' first?
[05:32] <abattoir> *configure
[05:32] <NetSKaVeN> abattoir: thanks for the help  ;)
[05:33] <user-land> abattoir, the password is there, but connecting with it still fails. do i need to run something ?
[05:33] <abattoir> NetSKaVeN: np, sorry, could figure out what exactly is the problem though....
[05:33] <abattoir> user-land: what device are you connecting with?
[05:33] <||Trayer||> How do I mount and unmount the cd? eject and put it back in?
[05:33] <user-land> cell phone.
[05:34] <abattoir> user-land: type bluetooth:/ in konqueror
[05:34] <user-land> yes, i see the phone there :-)
[05:35] <Skaman_> @abattoir ops
[05:35] <Skaman_> i've understood
[05:35] <abattoir> Skaman_: what was that for?
[05:35] <||Trayer||> How do I eject a cd? I need to insert CD 2, but, the front loading button wont work
[05:35] <abattoir> user-land: if you click on it does it ask you for your pin?
[05:36] <abattoir> user-land: does it make an attempt to pair ?
[05:36] <||Trayer||> When I go to "unmount" it shows an error
[05:37] <user-land> no, when i click on it in konqueror, a lot of services get listed.
[05:37] <||Trayer||> "Device is busy"
[05:37] <user-land> but it does not attempt to pair.
[05:37] <abattoir> user-land: which service do you want to use?
[05:38] <user-land> i would like to copy files from it ...
[05:38] <abattoir> user-land: ok, long time since i did this, so let me do it with you... :)
[05:38] <GIGANTOR> Trayer- reboot  ;P
[05:38] <GIGANTOR> well, do you have any windows open for the CD?
[05:39] <GIGANTOR> might close those then try to unmount it
[05:39] <||Trayer||> kk
[05:40] <user-land> nice, abattoir. i tried OBEX file transfer, so it attempted to pair, but it failed after i gave it the pin.
[05:40] <abattoir> user-land: ok, this is what i do, mark all the files on your phone, send it via bluetooth to your pc...
[05:40] <abattoir> you get the KDE Bluetooth Framework Incoming File transfer dialog
[05:40] <abhi> today i have installed the crossover office. after the reboot when i give my password at login screen, once again login screen comes asking for password. (my password is correct).
[05:41] <abattoir> choose where you want to save the file and save it
[05:41] <GIGANTOR> abhi- does the login screen look any different than usual?
[05:41] <user-land> abattoir, i do not get a listing of the files of the phone.
[05:42] <abattoir> user-land: you want to transfer the files *from* the phone right?
[05:42] <abhi> no.
[05:42] <user-land> i think i better go buy a data cable ...
[05:42] <||Trayer||> "unmount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy (same thing next line) please check that the disk is entered correctly."  That's the error I'm getting, in the installation it says clearly dont start unless you can mount and unmount CD images,
[05:42] <user-land> yes.
[05:43] <abhi> gigantor: no.
[05:43] <abattoir> user-land: your phone doesnt show you those files?
[05:43] <user-land> ah, i see.
[05:43] <GIGANTOR> abhi- hmm..
[05:43] <GIGANTOR> thinking
[05:43] <||Trayer||> So, how can one un-mount a "Busy" cd?
[05:44] <bsanford> Can you connect to MSOutlook Workgroup share with Kontact?
[05:44] <abattoir> user-land: if i want to access a particular service that my phone offers(like bluetooth serial port for eg.) I click on each service... and then i'm asked for the passcode... then pairing takes place
[05:44] <abattoir> user-land: you might also want to chech the latest SVN version of kmobiletools
[05:45] <abattoir> user-land: it has a bluetooth pairing wizard which might simplify things :)
[05:45] <h3sp4wn> abattoir: Have you ever messed with prelinking kde ?
[05:45] <GIGANTOR> abhi- wait until abattoir gets finished, he might could help further.  Unless someone else wants to chime in
[05:46] <BirthdayHobbsee> h3sp4wn: i didnt find much difference, if any
[05:46] <user-land> great, abattoir. sending from the phone is working :-)
[05:46] <GIGANTOR> abattoir ftw  ;P
[05:46] <user-land> but i don't know where the file is on my pc now.
[05:47] <h3sp4wn> BirthdayHobbsee: I didn't notice much difference either but I am not 100% sure I was doing it right
[05:47] <abattoir> h3sp4wn: no, always used the 'stock' stuff... havent noticed KDE being slow ;)
[05:47] <abhi> gigantor : did you get some thing about my problem?
[05:47] <abattoir> abhi: wait i'll read up.
[05:47] <GIGANTOR> lemme google a bit
[05:47] <abhi> ok.
[05:47] <h3sp4wn> BirthdayHobbsee: happy birthday btw
[05:48] <BirthdayHobbsee> ty :)
[05:48] <abattoir> abhi: you are pretty sure its due to crossover office? had any other side effects?
[05:48] <user-land> does someone know how to replace the gnome panel with a kmenu taskbar ?
[05:48] <abattoir> abhi: also, how long does it take... I mean, as soon as you enter your password, it gives you the screen back or does it take some time?
[05:49] <abattoir> user-land: in gnome?
[05:49] <||Trayer||> Alright, it's the konsole that's holding the installer that's claiming it's busy.  So, I'm assuming if I remotly type in the thing it'll work.  How does "sudo sh ./media/cdrom/linux-installer.sh" work? Would it work?
[05:49] <user-land> in kde, abattoir. i just installed kubuntu-desktop and rebooted into kde.
[05:49] <abhi> abattoir: i thing it might be for crossover office. because before it was installed, kubuntu working fine.
[05:49] <abattoir> user-land: kde has a gnome-panel ? :S
[05:50] <abattoir> user-land: are you sure?
[05:50] <abattoir> user-land: try 'killall kicker && kicker'
[05:50] <||Trayer||> How can I sh a sh file without going into it's directory?
[05:50] <abhi> abattoir:yes instantly give the login screen.
[05:50] <abattoir> see if you get the 'gnome-panel' back
[05:51] <user-land> kicker: no process killed
[05:51] <||Trayer||>  How do I run a SH file without going into its directory through command line?
[05:51] <abattoir> user-land: killall gnome-panel ?
[05:51] <abhi> abattoir:no one black screen comes in between them
[05:51] <h3sp4wn> ||Trayer||: sh /path/to/blah.sh
[05:52] <user-land> the panel disappeared and came back, abattoir.
[05:52] <user-land> so am i still in gnome, right ?
[05:52] <||Trayer||> %c4 h3sp4wn: do I need to put a ./ in there anywhere?
[05:52] <abattoir> abhi: then, it might not be a problem w/ X or KDE... the latter, actually
[05:52] <abattoir> user-land: i suspect so
[05:52] <Tommy2k4> how can i get rid of every trace of sendmail and stop it trying to open on bootup (i already uninstalled it but it still tries to open and adds over a minute to bootup time)
[05:52] <abattoir> abhi: you are sure about the password ?
[05:52] <user-land> trying a reboot then :-)
[05:52] <abhi> abattoir: yes.
[05:53] <abattoir> user-land: when you login...
[05:53] <abattoir> user-land: change session to KDE
[05:53] <abattoir> in the login screen
[05:53] <abattoir> abhi: ok, wait up
[05:53] <abhi> ok
[05:53] <abattoir> abhi: you remember changing any X or KDE settings?
[05:53] <abhi> no
[05:54] <abhi> i changed the rosolution only
[05:54] <abattoir> abhi: hmm, X does startup though, so is a KDE issue.... i guess
[05:54] <abattoir> abhi: before this stopped working?
[05:54] <abattoir> or long ago?
[05:54] <abhi> not at all
[05:54] <abattoir> abhi: when did you change the resolution?
[05:55] <abhi> before one  or two boots.
[05:55] <abattoir> abhi:  and then you logged into KDE w/ the new resolution?
[05:55] <abhi> yes
[05:57] <abattoir> abhi: ok, then get out of KDM... there must be an option in the menu... something like 'Terminal'
[05:57] <abhi> I thing yes . or alt+f1
[05:57] <abattoir> abhi: also press 'Ctrl+Alt+F1'
[05:57] <abattoir> aah ok
[05:57] <abattoir> but kill KDM
[05:57] <abhi> yes yes
[05:58] <ubuntu> Hi all
[05:58] <abhi> how
[05:58] <abattoir> abhi:  there must be an option in the menu
[05:58] <abattoir> abhi: i dont remember it exactly
[05:58] <ubuntu> how do i install grub, there was an error the first time i was installing it
[05:58] <abhi> for what?
[05:58] <ubuntu> i want to install it to the MBR
[05:58] <abattoir> abhi: for switching to a terminal
[05:59] <abhi> abattoir: yes
[05:59] <abattoir> abhi: or through tty0(Ctrl+Alt+F1) type 'sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[05:59] <abattoir> abhi: wait, i'll confirm the command
[05:59] <abhi> ok
[05:59] <abattoir> abhi: yup, that's right
[05:59] <abattoir> execute that
[06:00] <abattoir> that should kill kdm...
[06:00] <ubuntu> if you stop kdm won't it kill the x server and whatever chat client abhi is using?
[06:00] <abattoir> ubuntu: i think he is on another computer
[06:00] <abattoir> he cant even get into KDe
[06:01] <user-land> you were right of course, abattoir, thank you.
[06:01] <abattoir> ubuntu: ok, now to your problem, you have everything intstalled into the HD?
[06:01] <ubuntu> yea that would make sense
[06:01] <abhi> abattoir: what should I do after killing kdm?
[06:01] <user-land> abattoir, you like meat ? :-)
[06:01] <ubuntu> yea i installed it to the HD the first time and the installer crashed giving an error about grub
[06:01] <abattoir> user-land: no, i'm a vegetarian
[06:01] <abattoir> user-land: the name is misleading, yes :)
[06:02] <user-land> hey, what a contrast to your name then :-)
[06:02] <abattoir> abhi: first go through the logs
[06:02] <GIGANTOR> Tommy- did you get an answer?
[06:02] <abattoir> abhi: /var/log ...
[06:02] <abhi> ok
[06:02] <abattoir> abhi: see if you can find something useful
[06:02] <abattoir> 'cat /var/log'
[06:03] <abattoir> ubuntu: you chose an XFS formatted partition as the root one?
[06:03] <ubuntu> yea and a 100mb /boot partition
[06:03] <abhi> ok I am going to try this. after that I will come back. thanks abattoir.
[06:03] <abattoir> abhi: ok
[06:03] <||Trayer||> This is gunna sound stupid, but, how do I mount a CD?
[06:03] <abattoir> ubuntu: grub and xfs dont like living together...
[06:04] <abattoir> ubuntu: its a known bug 47848
[06:04] <DaSkreech> ||Trayer||: Normally you just put it in and it comes up on the Desktop
[06:04] <abattoir> ubuntu: choose another filesystem type, like reiserfs
[06:04] <||Trayer||> DaSkreech: It does, but then it disappears a few seconds later
[06:04] <abattoir> ubuntu: so you'd have to reinstall
[06:04] <BKaj> what's the delete cmd in konsol ?
[06:04] <ubuntu> hda: windows xp 20GB, /boot 100bm ext3, 50gb for /, 250mb for swap
[06:04] <abattoir> ubuntu:  <Ubug2> Malone bug 47848 in ubiquity "should warn at partitioning stage if /boot is on XFS" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/47848
[06:05] <||Trayer||> Is there any way to mount it yourself?
[06:05] <knapper> Help. When I boot up I no longer get to KDM, I just have a text login. I tried reinstalling KDM, but that didn't fix it.
[06:05] <ubuntu> the root partition is xfs but the /boot partition is EXT3
[06:05] <abattoir> ubuntu: oh so /boot is not XFS?
[06:05] <DaSkreech> ||Trayer||: Strange :) does it turn up in /media
[06:05] <ubuntu>  /boot is ext3
[06:05] <Cornellius> Ubuntu: How many RAM you have ?
[06:05] <abattoir> ubuntu: do you know what the error in the logs is?
[06:05] <BKaj> !Konsole commands
[06:05] <ubotu> I know nothing about Konsole commands - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[06:05] <ubuntu> 1 GB 256MB
[06:05] <||Trayer||> DaSkreech: I'm seeing cdrom0, and cdrom as a shortcut
[06:06] <DaSkreech> ||Trayer||:  Try clicking on cdrom?
[06:06] <||Trayer||>  they are BOTH appearing empty
[06:06] <DaSkreech> Or better right click and see if you get a mount option
[06:06] <ubuntu> abattoir: where is the log
[06:06] <DaSkreech> I assume then that this is a non empty CD :)
[06:06] <teelittle> BKaj: delete files with "rm"
[06:06] <||Trayer||> Yep, it's installation disk two of unreal tournament
[06:07] <BKaj> thx teelittle
[06:07] <DaSkreech> Hmm I recall that having a bug
[06:07] <ubuntu> i can't access any of the hard disks in system:// all i get is: mount: can't find /dev/hda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[06:07] <||Trayer||> it shows up on desktop for a split second
[06:07] <||Trayer||> then disapears
[06:08] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: It's probably not in the fstab then
[06:08] <abattoir> ubuntu: try 'sudo mkdir /media/hda1' and then 'sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/hda1'
[06:08] <DaSkreech> ||Trayer||: Other Cds Mount ok?
[06:08] <DaSkreech> abattoir: eek!
[06:08] <abattoir> DaSkreech: he's on the livecd
[06:08] <DaSkreech> abattoir: Ok :)
[06:08] <||Trayer||>  DaSkreech: The first one did, and my music one did.  I think it might just be my drive, I'll put it in my other one
[06:09] <knapper> Help. When I boot up I no longer get to KDM, I just have a text login. I tried reinstalling KDM, but that didn't fix it.
[06:09] <ubuntu> abattoir: that worked
[06:09] <||Trayer||>  Problem solved.  My drive must be dead
[06:09] <abattoir> ubuntu: cool :)
[06:09] <DaSkreech> ||Trayer||: No I'm actually pretty sure I recall a bug with the UT Cdsand Linux
[06:09] <DaSkreech>  I think they fixed the DVD
[06:09] <||Trayer||> Ah, I still have the CD versions
[06:09] <DaSkreech> ||Trayer||: You can mount it explictly if you like
[06:09] <||Trayer||> So, I think that it just was that CD drive for THAT program, other ones work in there
[06:10] <abattoir> ubuntu: paste the contents of /var/installer/syslong in pastebin
[06:10] <abattoir> !pastebin > ubuntu
[06:10] <||Trayer||> it worked, I had to put it in my second cd drive
[06:10] <ubuntu> ok
[06:10] <||Trayer||> I asked this yesterday but had no luck, how does one change their static IP adress on their network in kubuntu
[06:11] <knapper> Anyone?
[06:11] <abattoir> user-land: was it the KDE-login thing that you told me worked?
[06:11] <KaiserSuse> ||Trayer||: with the System Settings
[06:11] <teelittle> ||Trayer||: some /etc/... files?
[06:11] <KaiserSuse> ||Trayer||: or /etc/network/interfaces
[06:12] <||Trayer||>  KaiserSuse: Where in the system settings, I took a quick look and couldn't find anything?
[06:12] <abattoir> knapper: a root login?
[06:12] <teelittle> knapper: hmmm, did you check your startup skripts? => /etc/init.d/...
[06:13] <jknotzke> Hi everyone
[06:13] <KaiserSuse> System Settings -> Network Settings, click Administrator Mode
[06:13] <jknotzke> anyone here gotten gnucash and aqbanking to work ?
[06:13] <DaSkreech> ||Trayer||: Ping ok It was Ut2003
[06:13] <jknotzke> or at least compile..
[06:13] <DaSkreech> ||Trayer||: It's right on the k Menu
[06:14] <knapper> teelittle, I see kdm in there. Is there something I should look for?
[06:14] <ubuntu>  /var/installer/syslong is not there. there is no installer folder
[06:14] <abattoir> ubuntu: oops, my mistake, /var/log/installer/syslog
[06:15] <knapper> teelittle: When I boot up it doesn't act like it even tries to start KDM, just goes to text login. Maybe it isn't being initialized.
[06:15] <ubuntu> The file or folder file:///var/log/installer/ does not exist.
[06:15] <ubuntu> not there either, i checked
[06:15] <ubuntu> i think the installer crashed right after it gave the error
[06:15] <abhi> abattoir: nothing found in log
[06:15] <abattoir> ubuntu: you did the installation process now ?
[06:15] <abattoir> ubuntu: or you restarted?
[06:16] <abattoir> abhi: try startkde from the terminal then
[06:16] <abattoir> abhi: are you using gnome/windows now ?
[06:16] <rascal999> Where can I get an exe emulator?
[06:16] <ubuntu> yea i did, i got to the part where grub was installing, then it gave a write error and crashed
[06:16] <abattoir> the latter i suspect ;)
[06:16] <abhi> i try kdm.
[06:16] <abhi> windows
[06:16] <abattoir> ubuntu: :( , we need to see the log, to see what went wrong, where it went wrong...
[06:17] <abattoir> ubuntu: would there be a problem re-installing?
[06:17] <abattoir> abhi: what happened?
[06:17] <ubuntu> nope
[06:17] <abhi> same problem
[06:17] <abattoir> ubuntu: i'd recommend avoiding XFS... be safe, use reiserfs
[06:18] <abattoir> ubuntu: then you dont need to have a separate /boot partition :)
[06:18] <will_> DAMNIT on the site to get the patch for UT2004 I said I was one year old by accident = \
[06:18] <will_> Now it's saved in
[06:18] <ubuntu> ok why reiserfs, is it better than ext3?
[06:18] <DaSkreech> !wine > rasc
[06:19] <abattoir> abhi: so X starts w/o any error at all... you were messing around w/ XGL/Compiz by any chance?
[06:19] <SeanTater_> ubuntu reiserfs us fantastic with small files
[06:19] <abattoir> abhi: ok, you are the crossover office guy... right? :P
[06:19] <abhi> no no.
[06:19] <abhi> just to run some windows game.
[06:20] <ubuntu> SeanTater_: Ok i'll give that ago, thanks
[06:20] <GIGANTOR> i thought he said crossover as well
[06:20] <abattoir> abhi: can you try installing GDM ?
[06:20] <abattoir> abhi: and see if that works?
[06:20] <SeanTater_> ubuntu: but it shows no improvement (for me) otherwise
[06:20] <GIGANTOR> apt-get install macintosh
[06:20] <GIGANTOR> ;P
[06:20] <abhi> abattoir:sudo: apt-get install gdm.
[06:20] <GIGANTOR> oh wai-  no games.
[06:20] <abattoir> abhi: 'sudo apt-get install gdm' yes :)
[06:21] <abhi> yes yes.
[06:21] <DaSkreech> ||Trayer|: I guess you are ||Trayer|| as well :)
[06:21] <GIGANTOR> get to it skippy
[06:21] <Tommy2k4> !pastebin
[06:21] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[06:21] <||Trayer|>  Oops = \, I need to get a steady nick name
[06:21] <abhi> going for it. thanks abattoir.
[06:21] <||Trayer|> Yeah, I have another window open, somewhere >_>;
[06:22] <abattoir> abhi: since, there is no specific error message/scenario, i cant say something specific either, we can only try... :)
[06:23] <iqon> all of a sudden (after a reboot) my system fonts are huge...could the font dpi have changed, is there a way to set that?
[06:23] <abattoir> iqon: you 'upgraded' or dist-upgraded?
[06:24] <iqon> dist-upgraded a few months ago
[06:24] <iqon> i was playing with fireglcontrolpanel, i'm not sure if that was the culprit or not
[06:24] <abattoir> iqon: you could probably change in kcontrol
[06:24] <abattoir> iqon: oh, i have no idea about that
[06:25] <abattoir> iqon: i'd suggest playing around w/ the Fonts section in Kcontrol
[06:25] <DaSkreech> ||Trayer||: Found it?
[06:26] <iqon> abattoir: all of my font's are set the same as they used to be, but they are still huge...
[06:26] <iqon> abattoir: i can't seem to find a dpi setting in kcontrol
[06:27] <abattoir> iqon: well, am not sure, try reducing the size if you want, or see fireglcontrolpanel ;)
[06:28] <teelittle> Hi, does anybody know about X.org input device 168?
[06:28] <teelittle> every X app print out warnings that this device couldn't be found upon startup...
[06:28] <Tommy2k4> teelittle, comment out the 3 wacom devices in xorg.conf and the 3 references to them at the bottom of the file aswell
[06:29] <teelittle> Tommy2k4: wow, I was looking for such a precise answer (and had in mind that it was something about unusual devices...)
[06:30] <Tommy2k4> np
[06:30] <Tommy2k4> had the same problem for ages myself
[06:31] <abattoir> hmmm... the lull before the storm... :P
[06:33] <Hawkwind> teelittle: I've documented the fix here on my forums:  http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=579.0
[06:33] <abattoir> Hawkwind: you have to register to view? :(
[06:33] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Yeah.  I'm going to fix that a bit later today
[06:34] <Hawkwind> abattoir: I just switched forum apps and it did that to me.  I haven't gotten around to fixing it
[06:34] <abattoir> oh, cool :)
[06:34] (abattoir/#kubuntu) i was wondering why there hadnt been a split today
[06:34] (ubuntu/#kubuntu) wow
[06:35] (abattoir/#kubuntu) Hawkwind: hehe, sure :)
[06:35] (ubuntu/#kubuntu) how come so many are joining?
[06:35] <Hawkwind> ubuntu: Net split
[06:35] <ubuntu> Hawkwind: and that means???
[06:35] <Hawkwind> ubuntu: google.com and type    define:netsplit
[06:36] <ubuntu> Hawkwind: does that mean freenode switched us to a different node?
[06:36] <Hawkwind> No
[06:37] <ubuntu> the node restarted?
[06:37] <ubuntu>  crashed?
[06:37] <Tommy2k4> there was a break in the link between 2 nodes
[06:37] <Tommy2k4> well, between 1 node and the rest of the network i think
[06:37] <ubuntu> oh
[06:41] <ubuntu> Netsplit? again?
[06:42] <abattoir> well, i was disconnected, so must have been my server
[06:42] <ubuntu> this is cool
[06:42] <Skaman> hey guys strange thing happens...i'm trying to let my d-link usb wifi card work...well it's working and connected..i can ping my router and my other pc but i can't access the net....
[06:42] <abattoir> ubuntu: hehe
[06:43] <abattoir> Skaman: i think it'd be best to wait for this to settle
[06:43] <abattoir> Skaman: try 'sudo ifup ethX' where ethX is your interface
[06:43] <Skaman> abattoir: i had to set a linux driver and wifi works..even with wpa-psk
[06:44] <ubuntu> can your other PC connect to the internet?
[06:44] <Skaman> yes
[06:44] <ubuntu> oh wait stupid question
[06:44] <Skaman> and i can oping em
[06:44] <abattoir> Skaman: oh, so it doesnt work *only* with your router?
[06:45] <Skaman> abattoir: i can ping my router and access to it, i can ping and connect to my other pcs but can't access to the network
[06:45] <abattoir> Skaman: has wifi worked elsewhere?
[06:45] <abattoir> Skaman: did you try ifup ?
[06:45] <Skaman> yes i have 5 pcs
[06:45] <Skaman> all connected
[06:45] <Skaman> even this one
[06:46] <abattoir> Skaman: no, i mean, in linux, have you tried connecting to another network using your card?
[06:46] <abattoir> what about ifup?
[06:46] <mimmu> is this some cind of comp chat?? :D
[06:46] <abattoir> Skaman: or is it the first time you are trying wifi... in linux ?
[06:46] <Skaman> i was connected be4 when wpa was off
[06:47] <timbim> i need help setting up kubuntu
[06:47] <Skaman> is the first time!
[06:47] <abattoir> Skaman: ok, did you try ifup?
[06:47] <timbim> im using a dell e1405 and everytime it gets to x-server it just shows to white rectangles then it flashes back to to the install logo and hangs
[06:47] <abattoir> timbim: this is with the livecd?
[06:47] <timbim> both
[06:48] <timbim> i actually installed it with alternate cd
[06:48] <timbim> grub and everythng works fine
[06:48] <abattoir> timbim: if it is the livecd, try booting in the 'safe' mode thing...
[06:48] <timbim> then when i get to the load kubuntu once it get to x-server or w/e it just flashes i see two white pixels and it wont work
[06:48] <abattoir> oh, there seems to be a big lag
[06:48] <timbim> i think ive tried that
[06:49] <Skaman> abattoir i tried : tells me: Ignoring unknown interface rausb0=rausb0
[06:49] <abattoir> timbim: what video card?
[06:49] <iqon> when using kcontrol -> "GTK styles and fonts" to change "GTK Fonts" my changes aren't being saved, any idea what could cause this?
[06:49] <timbim>  found something on the internete about typing install debian-installer/framebuffer=false
[06:49] <timbim> but i dont know where to type that
[06:49] <timbim> it says type at book
[06:49] <abattoir> Skaman: ok, open up /etc/network/interfaces
[06:50] <abattoir> timbim: boot ?
[06:50] <timbim> whre is boot on the live cid
[06:50] <Skaman> abattoir ok
[06:50] <timbim> it jus says start or install kubuntu or start in safe mode
[06:50] <timbim> but i dont c anywer to type that command in
[06:51] <ronald> holas
[06:51] <abattoir> timbim: there is an option in the initial boot menu... where you can pass boot parameters
[06:51] <Skaman> ok i'm there abattoir
[06:51] <abattoir> one of the F keys, iirc
[06:51] <abattoir> Skaman: just a sec
[06:51] <timbim> when i hit f6
[06:51] <Skaman> ;)
[06:51] <timbim> boot comes upp, but there is already stuff there
[06:51] <ubuntu> abattoir: there is no reiserfs in the list
[06:51] <timbim> folowwed --
[06:52] <timbim> so do i just type install debian-installer/framebuffer=false after those dahses
[06:52] <abattoir> Skaman: could you please pastebin it ?
[06:52] <abattoir> !pastebin
[06:52] <timbim> cuz ive tried it and it doesnt seem to work
[06:52] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[06:52] <abattoir> is ubotu here?
[06:52] <abattoir> aah cool
[06:52] <Skaman> abattoir ok
[06:52] <Skaman> just a sec
[06:52] <abattoir> timbim: i dont know, if wherever you read it says that, it might be worth trying out
[06:52] <||Trayer||> Can anyone help? I'm installing the Ut2k4 patch, and you just extract a bunch of files to the /usr/local/games/ut2004 folder, but in ark it says cannot extract to that folder
[06:52] <abattoir> ubuntu: hmm there isnt?
[06:53] <timbim> i just dont know where to type that command
[06:53] <timbim> there is already stuff in boot
[06:53] <timbim> and i dont know if just type it after or what
[06:53] <ubuntu> abattoir: not there, i remeber you had to mess with the options in breezy to get it as an option
[06:53] <||Trayer||> dont have permission or something
[06:54] <timbim> nvm that safe graphics thng worked
[06:54] <timbim> thanks
[06:54] <iqon> after playing with qtcontrol and fireglcontrolpanel my fonts became HUGE, any idea what i could have done - or what i can do to fix it?
[06:54] <_marshall> what is firegl?
[06:54] <abattoir> ubuntu: yes, now i remember, it wasnt there... :( i did it manually... sorry, i forgot
[06:54] <iqon> er qtcontrol -> qtconfig
[06:55] <Skaman> abattoir: http://rafb.net/paste/results/L7Jwjm74.html
[06:55] <abattoir> ubuntu: you want to do it manually?
[06:55] <iqon> an ati driver control panel
[06:56] <abattoir> Skaman: you cant edit the pastes there? :(
[06:56] <abattoir> Skaman: ok, nvm, type what i say into the file
[06:56] <ubuntu> abattoir: might as well
[06:56] <abattoir> Skaman: your interface is ath0 ?
[06:57] <Skaman> us rausb0
[06:57] <abattoir> ubuntu: ok, you have done the partitioning right?
[06:57] <Skaman> the problem is that i'm loading it manually
[06:57] <ubuntu> yea
[06:57] <abattoir> ubuntu: what is the device name for / ?
[06:57] <Skaman> i have no idea to how make it load by default
[06:57] <iqon> is it possible to change the dpi of fonts in kde?
[06:57] <ubuntu> abattoir: let me chek
[06:57] <ubuntu> abattoir: let me check
[06:58] <abattoir> Skaman: add 'auto rausb0' and in the next line 'iface rausb0 inet dhcp'
[06:58] <ubuntu> abattoir: hda6
[06:58] <abattoir> Skaman: similar stuff already exists... so you know how to do it
[06:58] <ubuntu> is it reiser4?
[06:59] <abattoir> ubuntu: the command is 'mkreiserfs /dev/hda6' then ...
[06:59] <abattoir> ubuntu: you are sure right?
[06:59] <ubuntu> yea
[06:59] <abattoir> enter that in a terminal
[06:59] <ubuntu> abattoir: i can always reinstall everying
[06:59] <abattoir> you will need to unmount it... if you have mounted it
[07:00] <ubuntu> why do i always screw up on typing
[07:00] <abattoir> ok, then that's cool, you can play around all you want ;)
[07:00] <Skaman> abattoir i edit that and then i have to reboot?
[07:00] <abattoir> Skaman: save, and yes reboot... your usb driver module is loaded automatically right?
[07:00] <abattoir> Skaman:
[07:01] <abattoir> Skaman: now, ifup should work
[07:01] <abattoir> Skaman: and you should be able to connect
[07:01] <Skaman> ahh
[07:01] <Skaman> k
[07:01] <Skaman> now works!
[07:01] <Skaman> thanks!
[07:01] <abattoir> Skaman: cool :)
[07:01] <Skaman> abattoir
[07:01] <abattoir> ubuntu: done ?
[07:02] <ubuntu> abattoir: do i still need a separate /boot?
[07:02] <Skaman> can you help me for the next little step?
[07:02] <abattoir> ubuntu: no, not necessary
[07:02] <abattoir> Skaman: if i can, sure
[07:02] <ubuntu> ok well i'll repartition
[07:02] <Skaman> i'm loading the driver manually
[07:02] <Skaman> but i'd like to be loaded at startup
[07:02] <abattoir> Skaman: what is the command?
[07:02] <voltrox> hi
[07:02] <Skaman> a sec
[07:02] <_ubuntu> erm... what's the option to install 5.10 from the livedvd once you've booted to it?
[07:02] <||Trayer||> Anyone know what file/command I need to use to run ut2k4 on ubuntu? It's installed to \usr\local\games\ut2004
[07:02] <Skaman> i give you
[07:02] <||Trayer||> *kubuntu
[07:03] <Skaman> abattoir is: /sbin/insmod rt73.ko
[07:04] <ubuntu> ||Trayer||: when i installed it i removed the local from stuff, so i think /usr/local/bin/ut2004 will work
[07:04] <abattoir> Skaman: try adding the module to /etc/modules
[07:05] <||Trayer||> ubuntu: My user local bin is empty, No files.
[07:05] <||Trayer||>  and for some reason I have no desktop icon/not appearing in games.  Though all the files are there
[07:05] <abattoir> samo: i dont think such an option exists...
[07:05] <Skaman_> abattoir what if i try making : "cp rt73.ko /lib/modules/2.6.15-25-386/kernel/net"  ???
[07:06] <abattoir> Skaman: hmmm, and then do a 'sudo depmod -a' might work, though i havent personally tried something like that
[07:06] <bsanford> Hello
[07:06] <||Trayer||> How do I use a .run file?
[07:06] <samo> arrrggghhh.... I think I f*cked up lilo and I can't run the 6.06 live dvd, it looses video
[07:06] <Skaman_> or what do you suggest me?
[07:07] <abattoir> ||Trayer||: sh ./file.run ?
[07:07] <aliasfred> q. is kitten/striggi packaged for kubuntu ?
[07:07] <abattoir> samo: i'm sure there is a text installer in the DVD
[07:07] <Skaman> i've read it here : http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=190422&highlight=rt73
[07:07] <abattoir> Skaman: sure, you can try that :)
[07:08] <abattoir> Skaman: or put it somewhere in /etc/modprobe.d ... wait i'll search
[07:08] <Skaman_> and i have to insert rt73 in /etc/modules right?
[07:09] <abattoir> Skaman_: yes, that sounds right...
[07:09] <toka> How can I activate the SPDIF output? Asus A8N-SLI SE . ? REALTEK ALC850
[07:09] <Skaman_> let me try a reboot
[07:09] <Skaman_> _D
[07:09] <ubuntu> I'll be back after reinstalling windows to try an reinstall kubuntu again, so i don't have to replace grub if ubuntu installs second
[07:10] <abattoir> Skaman_: or, you could also write a script and put it in /etc/init.d
[07:10] <Skaman_> ok i've tried the first way....BRB
[07:10] <Skaman_> :D
[07:10] <||Trayer||> How do I run UT2004? It's fully installed and I just updated my drivers
[07:11] <flake> does changing the virtual starting IP pool on your router from <IP_ADDRESS>  to 192.168.2.x do anything for security on a client multiplayer game machine?
[07:11] <flake> is dmz recommended to help get alleviate the lag?
[07:14] (andrea/#kubuntu) grazie
[07:15] (abattoir/#kubuntu) andrea: prego :)
[07:15] (DaSkreech/#kubuntu) ah Mia of course! :0
[07:15] (Skaman/#kubuntu) abettoir: doesn't work
[07:15] (Skaman/#kubuntu) :(
[07:15] (abattoir/#kubuntu) Skaman: which one?
[07:15] <Skaman> mortacc
[07:15] <abattoir> moracc ?
[07:16] <abattoir> *ugh mortacc ?
[07:16] <Skaman> :D
[07:16] <abattoir>  /etc/modules ?
[07:16] <||Trayer||> Augh! I cant figure out what the hell i need to run to run UT, everyone just says it's on their desktop!
[07:16] <Skaman> if i give: modprobe rt73 : FATAL module rt73 not found
[07:16] <Skaman> :(
[07:17] <GIGANTOR> isn't
[07:17] <GIGANTOR> er
[07:17] <abattoir> Skaman: hmm.. then i guess it needs to be a listed module
[07:17] <GIGANTOR> isn't xserver-xorg a command to let you tweak your vid settings?
[07:17] <abattoir> Skaman: what about adding a script
[07:17] <Skaman> let's see if still work loading it manually
[07:17] <abattoir> GIGANTOR: nope, its a package
[07:17] <Skaman> i' think i'm too newbie to add a script myself
[07:17] <abattoir> GIGANTOR: 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' is :)
[07:17] <GIGANTOR> what is it i'm thinking of then... hmm..
[07:18] <GIGANTOR> there's something that lets you tweak your settings at command line
[07:18] <abattoir> Skaman: no, just put the commands in a file, and it becomes a script :)
[07:18] <GIGANTOR> maybe thats the answer aba, hmm
[07:18] <GIGANTOR> yeah, that is it
[07:18] <GIGANTOR> ;)
[07:18] <abattoir> i'm sure someone here knows more..
[07:19] <abattoir> anyway i'll look up wait
[07:19] <Skaman> but..
[07:19] <Skaman> the cmd
[07:19] <Skaman> wait
[07:19] <abattoir> Skaman what if you add the full path of the module ?
[07:20] <GIGANTOR> !CLI
[07:20] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via applications -> accessories -> terminal (gnome) or kmenu -> system -> konsole (kde). Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[07:20] <GIGANTOR> bah
[07:20] <Skaman> i'm loading it manually from the folder of the driver
[07:21] <GIGANTOR> bot is loading like it's a bit hungover today
[07:21] <alcosmurf> anyone got any idea how i debug a system that completly freezes for no apparant reason?
[07:22] <n3storm> alcosmurf: first check /var/log/error messages
[07:22] <Skaman_> abattoir now is on /lib/modules/2.6.15-25-386/kernel/net why it doesn't load
[07:22] <Skaman_> ??
[07:22] <alcosmurf> gone frew nearly all logs.. nothing looks odd.. it just stops
[07:22] <||Trayer||> Can someone give me the command to run linux-installer.sh on my cd again?
[07:23] <abattoir> Skaman: i think a list of modules to load is stored somewhere, and just because you put it in the folder, it wont get loaded... that's what i can think of
[07:23] <Skaman_> abattoir maybe i have to put it in "/lib/modules/2.6.15-25-386/kernel/drivers/usb/net"
[07:23] <abattoir> Skaman: you ran 'sudo depmod -a' ?
[07:23] <dom> Hi, I'm having problems with KMail.  I can't seem to decrypt PGP encrypted messages.  Checking signatures works fine but I can't decrypt anything.  Even messages I send encrypted to myself.  Yet all these same messages decrypt properly with Thunderbird/Enigmail
[07:23] <dom> wtf?
[07:23] <abattoir> Skaman_: hmmm, you can try that...
[07:23] <Skaman_> abattoir no
[07:23] <Skaman_> but i even don't know what it does
[07:24] <abattoir> Skaman: oh, i asked you to do that...
[07:24] <abattoir> i think it updates the kernel's modules list
[07:24] <abattoir> afaik
[07:24] <Skaman_> sry din't read u
[07:24] <Skaman_> now i've run it
[07:24] <Skaman_> no output
[07:25] <abattoir> [22:35:58]  <Skaman_> abattoir what if i try making : "cp rt73.ko /lib/modules/2.6.15-25-386/kernel/net"  ???
[07:25] <abattoir> [22:36:34]  <abattoir> Skaman: hmmm, and then do a 'sudo depmod -a' might work, though i havent personally tried something like that
[07:25] <abattoir> :P
[07:25] <abattoir> well, that's good then
[07:25] <abattoir> try restarting, see if the module is loaded
[07:25] <Johncro13> hello again, room.
[07:25] <Johncro13> I'm despirate.
[07:26] <Skaman_> i reboot
[07:26] <Skaman_> let's see
[07:28] <pc04> somebody Spanish speak??
[07:28] <Johncro13> x won't start for me.
[07:28] <abattoir> !es
[07:28] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[07:29] <pc04> Muchas gracias!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:29] <Johncro13> libxdmcp6 Depends
[07:29] <Johncro13> x11-common
[07:29] <Skaman> it works!!
[07:29] <abattoir> pc04: de nada :)
[07:29] <abattoir> Skaman: nice :)
[07:30] <Johncro13> unmet dependancy error, etc, etc...
[07:30] <Johncro13> anybody know about this?
[07:30] <Skaman> abattoir don't know if it's "sudo depmod -a" or copying the driver in the right place but now works!!
[07:30] <Skaman> thank you so much!
[07:30] <abattoir> Skaman: i'd say depmod :P
[07:31] <abattoir> Skaman: no problem :)
[07:32] <Niunio> Hello. I need help to configure an Epson parport scanner.
[07:32] <Skaman> but i rebooted the forst time
[07:33] <Skaman> i'll take a tour of "man depmod" to understand :D
[07:33] <abattoir> Skaman: hehe, i should do that too. :P
[07:33] <Niunio> XSane detects my web-cam but it doesn't detect my Epson scanner...
[07:36] <Niunio> Nobody helps me?
[07:38] <pichi> hello
[07:38] <Skaman> abattoir
[07:39] <Skaman> i think that worked because the driver goues under /drivers/usb/net/
[07:39] <Skaman> in fact the driver for another wifi card i know is there
[07:39] <Skaman> :D
[07:40] <DaSkreech> alcosmurf: I'd install a SSH server and ssh in
[07:40] <abattoir> Skaman: now that i've read 'man depmod' i am even more convinced it was depmod which did the trick ;0
[07:40] <abattoir> ;)
[07:41] <Schamane_> hi
[07:41] <abattoir> Skaman: depmod is what kinda 'indexes' the modules which are under /lib/modules/$kernel
[07:41] <Niunio> Sigh... Nobody wants to help me...
[07:42] <abattoir> Skaman: so even if you place it there/ remove it from there... w/o running depmod, it wont have an effect
[07:42] <abattoir> Niunio: hmmm.. i have no clue about that... sorry
[07:42] <DaSkreech> Niunio: Maybe no one can right now
[07:43] <abattoir> Niunio: Kooka automatically detects my hp scanner, that's all i know, sorry
[07:43] <DaSkreech> Niunio: If you like you can ask in #ubuntu it's not really a KDE related issue and there are more people in there
[07:43] <Niunio> Okis, thanks
[07:44] <Niunio> I'll try.
[07:44] <Skaman> ahhh ok
[07:44] <Skaman> :D
[07:44] <AntiCasp3r> hi@ll
[07:44] <DaSkreech> AntiCasp3r: Wendy?
[07:44] <AntiCasp3r> pardon?
[07:44] <AntiCasp3r> i am new here
[07:44] <DaSkreech> Anti Casper
[07:44] <DaSkreech> The friendly Ghost?
[07:44] <ralf> hi, I just changed from ubuntu to kubuntu. Can someone tell me how to create a personal folder link on the desktop? If I do "Link to location" with /home/ralf the icon will just be a boring white paper
[07:45] <abattoir> DaSkreech: hehe
[07:45] <AntiCasp3r> lol
[07:45] <DaSkreech> ralf: You can change the Icon AIR
[07:45] <AntiCasp3r> is some german here?
[07:45] <abattoir> !de
[07:45] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[07:45] <DaSkreech> !gr
[07:45] <ubotu> #ubuntu-gr  #kubuntu-gr
[07:45] <DaSkreech> Doh
[07:45] <abattoir> DaSkreech: that's greek :)
[07:45] <DaSkreech> Well Duh! :)
[07:46] <AntiCasp3r> ok
[07:46] <abattoir> ralf: you want to create a link on your desktop, back to your home?
[07:46] <ralf> abattoir: yes
[07:46] <DaSkreech> ||Trayer||: yo
[07:47] <ralf> abattoir: it worked, I created it manually and changed the icon
[07:47] <||Trayer||>  DaSkreech: wurd.
[07:47] <abattoir> ralf: oh, it was the 'boring' icon that bothered you ;)
[07:47] <ralf> abattoir: I just thought maybe I can drag and drop the menu item
[07:48] <abattoir> ralf: sure, you can do that
[07:48] <||Trayer||> my "sudo sh /media/cdrom/linux-installer.sh" command isn't working, it says no such file or directory.  I got the CD it's on mounted, What gives?
[07:48] <abattoir> ralf: when you do that you'll be asked if you want to move it, copy it link it etc.
[07:49] <DaSkreech> Check that that's the right path
[07:50] <ralf> abattoir: the link was in the system-menu. I tried to drag and drop, but it didn't work
[07:50] <v3ctor> also check case
[07:51] <abattoir> ralf, it does for me, you are dropping it on the desktop right? It comes up w/ a menu... asking if you want to copy it, move it, link it etc.
[07:51] <DaSkreech> ||Trayer||: Check that it's the right path
[07:52] <abattoir> ralf: works?
[07:52] <||Trayer||>  DaSkreech: The file name seems to match exactly, though I did a cd /media/cdrom and ls, it was empty.  Is there any other possible paths it could of mounted to...?
[07:52] <ralf> abattoir: if i klick and hold left mouse button, nothing happens (as i said, not in the k-menu, but in the system-menu)
[07:53] <DaSkreech> ||Trayer||: Cdroms are strange sometimes.
[07:53] <erik_> Hi! When I boot I get all kinds of messages, it seems to me as if it's trying to do all this stuff before the root fs is remounted rw
[07:53] <abattoir> ralf: oh, in the panel? next to the Kmenu button?
[07:53] <ralf> abattoir: yes
[07:53] <DaSkreech> I had a few that would not mount until Iclicked on them in Konqueror
[07:53] <erik_> I can't see them all but it's like "Can't create inetd.conf read only filesystem"
[07:53] <||Trayer||> I'll try that then
[07:53] <cpk2> ||Trayer||: do a ls in /media/
[07:54] <abattoir> ralf: can you try from the Kmenu? you have an entry?
[07:54] <DaSkreech> cpk2: There is a cdrom and cdrom0 In there
[07:54] <cpk2> ||Trayer||: i had a cd drive that was a burner and was listed as two things
[07:54] <erik_> I think it's only the basic networking that goes off before the fs is remounted
[07:54] <erik_> How would I go about changing that?
[07:54] <abattoir> ralf: or you can just open up /home in konqueror... drag ralf from there to the desktop and link it
[07:54] <||Trayer||>  cpk2: My Ls turned upcdrom cdrom0 and hdb.  Right now it is in my cd/dvd reader/player, Not in my burner.  Should I try the burner now?
[07:55] <abattoir> ralf: and you can change the icon :)
[07:55] <cpk2> DaSkreech: then he should probably check cdrom0 eh? =p
[07:55] <DaSkreech> cpk2: So it seems :)
[07:55] <ralf> abattoir: ok and how can i move e.g. the network icon to the desktop?
[07:55] <cpk2> ||Trayer||: you sure you know which is which in /media/
[07:55] <_JP> grub's "menu.lst" is overwritten always when i update kernel. where/how do i conf grub defaults?
[07:55] <||Trayer||>  cpk2: Fairly
[07:56] <cpk2> ||Trayer||: well did you try mounting cdrom0?
[07:56] <abattoir> ralf: network icon? sorry i dont have the default setup, so dont exactly know what you are referring to
[07:56] <||Trayer||>  cpk2&DaSkreech: In the hdb folder is my UT2k4 Cd, all the files are showing up in an LS.  It shows mounted on my desktop
[07:57] <abattoir> ralf: what does it do when you click it? what does it open?
[07:57] <cpk2> ||Trayer||: is that the cd you are lopoking for?
[07:57] <ralf> abattoir: system:/remote  oh well, thats the answer :)
[07:57] <DaSkreech> ||Trayer||: Umm ok :) Well then try sh /media/hdb/linux-installer.sh
[07:58] <||Trayer||>  cpk2: That it is, It's strange where it mounted to = \.
[07:58] <abattoir> ralf: rt. click on the desktop -> Create new link -> uRL -> system:/remote
[07:58] <abattoir> ralf: you should get a good icon too :P
[07:58] <kOpter> Yello :) I've got a really dumb problem... I'm missing my Location / Edit / View buttons at the top of my Konqueror...
[07:58] <DaSkreech> I take it that hdb is your Cdrom?
[07:58] <ralf> abattor: yes :)  thanks for help
[07:58] <DaSkreech> kOpter: Try Ctrl+M
[07:58] <cpk2> ||Trayer||: strange is having to mount a cd as /media/cdrom if you arent burning something and then as /media/cdrecorder if you are when its the same drive...
[07:59] <ubuntu> &j pepe
[07:59] <abattoir> ok, i'm taking a break. :)
[07:59] <||Trayer||> DaKreech Yep, it is.
[07:59] <kOpter> DaSkreech: Ok :) Why does that work :)?
[07:59] <DaSkreech> kOpter: It's a KDE Kommand thingy
[07:59] <DaSkreech> Works on most apps
[07:59] <kOpter> Thanks :)
[07:59] <abattoir> kOpter: because KDE is super-awesome? :P
[07:59] <DaSkreech> abattoir: It's bekause :)
[08:00] <abattoir> DaSkreech: indeed, my mistake :)
[08:01] <DaSkreech> Ok Something is horribly wrong with Amarok
[08:02] <abattoir> DaSkreech: mp3 doesnt work out of the box? :P ;)
[08:02] <||Trayer||>  So, No one knows what file I need to launch UT2k4? So I guess I'm stuck re-installing so it makes the desktop icon?
[08:02] <DaSkreech> :-P
[08:02] <DaSkreech> ||Trayer||: Where did install to?
[08:02] <abattoir> ||Trayer||: why dont you make the shortcut yourself?
[08:03] <DaSkreech> Anytime I try to stream something amarok freezes up
[08:03] <||Trayer||>  DaSkreech&Abattoir: I'm not sure which file is the actual game it self
[08:03] <DaSkreech> abattoir: I don't think he knows what to link it to
[08:03] <abattoir> DaSkreech: 1.4.1 ?
[08:03] <DaSkreech> abattoir: si
[08:03] <||Trayer||>  DaSkreech: It is installed to /usr/local/games/ut2004
[08:03] <abattoir> ||Trayer||: you chose the default installation settings?
[08:04] <DaSkreech> Ok It started playing after 15 minutes
[08:04] <||Trayer||>  abattoir: Yep
[08:04] <abattoir> ||Trayer||: have you tried the command ut2004 ?
[08:05] <||Trayer||>  abattoir: Launching up console and trying
[08:05] <||Trayer||>  abattoir: ut2004, and the result: "bash: ut2004: command not found"
[08:05] <abattoir> heh, ok, wait up
[08:06] <abattoir> you checked /usr/local/games/ut2004 for an executable ?
[08:07] <||Trayer||>  abattoir: A few times, I'm not sure which file formats are executable for Linux to be honest.
[08:07] <Bombur> why
[08:07] <abattoir> do a locate on ut2004.bin
[08:07] <Bombur> no
[08:07] <||Trayer||>  abattoir: Launching Konqueror
[08:07] <abattoir> ||Trayer||: you kio-locate
[08:07] <Bombur> why
[08:07] <abattoir> sorry, try :)
[08:07] <abattoir> Bombur: wth?
[08:08] <||Trayer||> C%4 abattoir: The locate returned 0 files, Should I search the folders for a bin?
[08:08] <abattoir> hmm.. yes
[08:09] <abattoir> see under the system directory
[08:09] <DaSkreech> abattoir: Sure it's a .bin ?
[08:09] <abattoir> DaSkreech: Uncle google seems to think so :P
[08:10] <||Trayer||>  abattoir: I did a search int he system folder for "*.bin" and no results
[08:10] <Bombur> why
[08:10] <abattoir> ||Trayer||: but is there a ut2004 file there ?
[08:10] <|lostbyte|> hi ! everyone..
[08:10] <Bombur> no
[08:10] <abattoir> i mean the system directory under the ut2004 directory
[08:11] <DaSkreech> try a ls -r /usr/local/*.bin
[08:11] <abattoir> Bombur: are you a bot ?
[08:11] <DaSkreech> !kops
[08:11] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, uniq, Mez, jpatric, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, or gnomefreak
[08:11] <||Trayer||>  abattoir: Yeah, There is a /usr/local/games/ut2004/system
[08:11] <abattoir> ||Trayer||: under that
[08:11] <abattoir> is there a .bin or ut2004 ?
[08:12] <||Trayer||> In the main folder the only executable is the uninstall file, and checking system now
[08:13] <nalioth> DaSkreech: yes?
[08:13] <Schamane_> HI
[08:13] <DaSkreech> Can we get Bombur muted?
[08:13] <DaSkreech> Hi Schamane_
[08:13] <||Trayer||>  abattoir: Not that I can see, atleast not color coded
[08:14] <abattoir> ||Trayer||: hmmm, the installation process was completed successfully?
[08:14] <DaSkreech> nalioth: Thanks
[08:14] <||Trayer||>  abattoir: As far as I know, I think I should re-install
[08:15] <abattoir> ||Trayer||: i think too
[08:15] <abattoir> i mean, i think you should too :P