[11:17] <v3l0ct> I'm sure he sees 4 Gb in windows, why would he have 4GB if it wasn't supported
[11:18] <v3l0ct> by his hardware
[11:18] <Homer_Linux> hiya ppl what program can i burn by backedup ps2 games with ;)
[11:18] <axp> any help on changing locales in ubuntu?
[11:18] <axp> Homer_Linux: cdrdao?
[11:18] <knut_> hello
[11:18] <knut_> ive installed java and the JRE, but why are the applets not working?
[11:18] <knut_> i have a 64bit system and use firefox
[11:18] <Chastaghir> Hello all, I've a question about latex. Any specialists here?
[11:19] <Homer_Linux> ok thanks was not  sure if was that easy
[11:19] <axp> Chastaghir: .
[11:19] <Salihu> Is Ubuntu going to run well (i.e., a relatively "snappy" response) on a 1 GHz PIII with 512 MB? or should I try something "lighter"?
[11:19] <dgags> axp: see this: http://www.quotesdb.info/undernet/ubuntu/18Jan2006/1.html
[11:19] <axp> dgags: i just have a text terminal ;)
[11:19] <kmaynard> Salihu, it'll be laggy, but suffiicient
[11:20] <kmaynard> throw more ram at it, or try xfce4
[11:20] <orion2012> Salihu: YMMV, although Ubuntu has the added bonus of trying XFCE4 and others with a simple apt-get...
[11:20] <kmaynard> with a little patience it'll be fine
[11:20] <dgags> axp hang on...
[11:20] <wildchild> how do I mount /dev/video0 ?
[11:20] <Salihu> OK...  Thanks for your opinions...
[11:20] <Chastaghir> I'm despairing on adding an new .sty to my tetex distribution. I've read many Howtos, always getting the annoying error message: File `CV.sty' not found.
[11:20] <orion2012> wildchild: err, you can't
[11:21] <his_dudnes> wildchild its not mountable
[11:21] <kmaynard> Salihu, apt-get xubuntu-desktop
[11:21] <wildchild> hm
[11:21] <kmaynard> !xubuntu
[11:21] <ubotu> Xubuntu is Ubuntu with XFCE, for more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org  To install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[11:21] <jrib> Salihu: what are you doing to add it?
[11:21] <mthakur> hello i need urgent help :D
[11:21] <wildchild> I can't install web cam
[11:21] <wildchild> so far I wass only able to install camorama
[11:21] <Salihu> Thanks for the suggestion kmaynard...  That sounds like a good idea.
[11:21] <wildchild> but this doesn't help me couse I need codecds..
[11:22] <jrib> Chastaghir: what are you doing to add it?  (sorry wrong name Salihu )
[11:22] <Salihu> jrib: It is going to go on an old compaq...  The only OS on the computer.
[11:22] <Salihu> Ignore the previous...
[11:22] <Chastaghir> I've added a local texmf path to my home directory and executed a texhash
[11:22] <axp> Chastaghir: there is a way where you can make a user sty driectory in your home directory and the you need to export the path with LATEX**** i don't know exactly the export path
[11:22] <Chastaghir> an ls-R file was added
[11:23] <axp> run mktex or similar
[11:23] <dgags> axp: i think it's in /etc/ somewhere... (i know, that answer sucks bad)
[11:23] <Archville> Hi.
[11:23] <wildchild> how do I install microphone plug-in for aMSN
[11:24] <HexDump> hi all!
[11:24] <axp> dgags: no, you have to put in in your .profile like your PATH env!  search google for: customized TEXENV or somethin!
[11:25] <HexDump> just a little question, I need to download some packages for deving, like autoconf, etc... the problem is that adept does not find them in any repository. Do you know of any good one for deving stuff? or another way to get them?. Thanks in advance
[11:25] <anon32> what's the fstab label for a ReiserFS volume?
[11:26] <dgags> axp: did you try man locale?
[11:26] <sethk> anon32, labels are arbitrary names, you can use anything
[11:26] <segfault> anon32, reiserfs
[11:26] <jbmigel> HexDump sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:26] <anon32> thanks
[11:27] <axp> dgags: i did, but in debian there is a way to generate locales withj dpkg-reconfigure
[11:27] <__zer0__> Does anyone know why my screen becomes dim after the bootup sequence? This happened right after I updated
[11:27] <ArrenLex> dpkg-reconfigure locales?
[11:27] <ArrenLex> Or maybe locale?
[11:27] <sethk> anon32, that's the file system type, not the label.
[11:27] <axp> ArrenLex: i did!
[11:27] <__zer0__> The cursor is still light, but the desktop and all windows is DIM
[11:27] <echoz_ubuntu2> hi
[11:27] <ArrenLex> axp: what exactly are you trying to achieve?
[11:27] <anon32> sethk, yea, it's what you label the file system as...
[11:27] <HexDump> jbmigel: could you tell me what is this build-essential thing? (sorry I'n newbie to linux). I suppose will be an alias for agroup of dev utils, am I right?
[11:27] <anon32> that answered my question
[11:27] <sethk> anon32, no, the file system also has a label
[11:28] <axp> ArrenLex: i have en_US and want de_AT@ISO8859-15
[11:28] <sethk> it answered a different question, but maybe he's lucky and assumed the right thing.  :)
[11:28] <ArrenLex> HexDump: apt-get install build-essential. Will get you the compiler, the libc headers, etc.
[11:28] <jbmigel> HexDump it is a package that contains all your dev stuff... gcc, make etc. yes your right
[11:28] <ArrenLex> axp: and what does dpkg-reconfigure locales tell you?
[11:29] <gandolfthewizard> hi all
[11:29] <IconoclasticGoat> I'm a Linux newbie.  I recently installed Ubuntu, then installed it again from the LiveCD after I realized I had screwed up some things.  Now when I boot up I get two different sets of Ubuntu on the screen to choose my OS, with the same kernel.  How can I uninstall the old version?
[11:29] <axp> Generating locales: en_US.........         but  i need de_AT
[11:30] <Xyc0> I checked out the Wiki for my laptop and it says that hibernation and suspend should work, I don't understand what I am doing wrong.
[11:30] <sethk> IconoclasticGoat, it's unlikely that you really have two
[11:30] <Xyc0> IconoclasticGoat: that is just the updated kernel
[11:30] <ArrenLex> axp: have you googled for "debian add locales" or "ubuntu add locales"?
[11:30] <sethk> IconoclasticGoat, you just have a duplicate in the menu
[11:30] <sethk> IconoclasticGoat, you can remove it by editing /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:30] <IconoclasticGoat> sethk, so it's not occupying twice the disk space?
[11:31] <gandolfthewizard> how do i install crossover on ubuntu
[11:31] <ArrenLex> IconoclasticGoat: try grub-update or update-grub
[11:31] <axp> ArrenLex: on this machine i only have console and its really no fun these days to surf the web in a console
[11:31] <IconoclasticGoat> Thank you very much everyone.
[11:31] <sethk> IconoclasticGoat, not unless you told it to use half the first time, and told it to use the other half the next time
[11:31] <sethk> IconoclasticGoat, post your menu.lst, then we can tell you whether there are really two, or just one
[11:31] <Xyc0> or he can pastebin it
[11:32] <Xyc0> and not flood the channel
[11:32] <HexDump> jbmigel : I'm curious, I want some dev utils to build my own toolchain, is there anyway to only download the ones I need? becasue I have an script that will download all new versions of gcc, g++, etc... from repositories and then compile them for my psp
[11:32] <sethk> Xyc0, I didn't say to paste to the channel, I said to post, which means to use the pastebin
[11:32] <HexDump> jbmigel: I think it is a waste of space to download it all, am I right?
[11:32] <IconoclasticGoat> sethk, okay, i'll do that later.
[11:32] <dgags> axp: seems you need to add the locale you want to /var/lib/locales/supported.d/local and then run dpkg-reconfigure locales
[11:32] <Xyc0> sethk: he already admitted to being a linux newb, try to help him out by not assuming
[11:33] <sethk> Xyc0, I'm not assuming anything
[11:33] <MrMazda> edgy net installer: "No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources...." :~(
[11:33] <dgags> axp: For a list of valid locales you can search through "/usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED".
[11:33] <ArrenLex> axp: regardless, if you have to, you can. Try the w3m console browser; I believe it's pre-installed in ubuntu.
[11:33] <MrMazda> how is this possible?
[11:33] <jbmigel> HexDump do you plan to compile your own toolchain or are you saying your will download one?
[11:33] <IconoclasticGoat> Xyc0, I can find the menu.lst file, it's ok.
[11:34] <IconoclasticGoat> Back in a bit...
[11:34] <HexDump> jbmigel: I will download it, and compile it (where I say I, I mean the script will do for me)
[11:34] <steve> trying to run a java RMI app on my Dapper setup.  But I get accessdenied exceptions.  What do i have to do?
[11:34] <sethk> HexDump, you need the compiler to build your toolchain, unless you want to go through the bootstrap procedure which is rather difficult.
[11:34] <Xyc0> Does anyone else see pretty colors when they try to suspend/hibernate?
[11:34] <dazeddan2001> Hi a friend installed Ubuntu on my machine. How in the heck do I install Google Earth? I downloaded it but I don't see any install app.
[11:35] <Xyc0> steve: are you running as sudo
[11:35] <HexDump> sethk: ouch, I'm dumb, you?e right, I need gcc for cross compiling... dumb of me
[11:35] <jbmigel> HexDump, if you install build-essential your script should be able to build your toolchain. gcc and make are not large packages dont worry about it
[11:35] <steve> Xyc0, no.  should i be?  and what, exactly?  everything?
[11:35] <Xyc0> dazeddan2001: google earth is a win32 executable
[11:35] <dazeddan2001> I downloaded the Linux version
[11:35] <sethk> HexDump, or even for native compiling unless you want to bootstrap
[11:35] <ArrenLex> dazeddan: have you tried running it?
[11:35] <steve> Xyc0, I'm binding to port 22000, so it's not reserved...
[11:36] <jrib> dazeddan2001: http://earth.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=44713&topic=1135
[11:36] <Xyc0> dazeddan2001: unless they made it opensource when I was sleeping
[11:36] <mcphail> dazeddan2001: just execute the .bin file
[11:36] <ArrenLex> dazzedan: sudo chmod +x <file> and then ./<file>
[11:36] <HexDump> jbmigel: yes yes, thanks a lot for the help. By the well, I? having a great time with ubuntu, just switched from winxp (vista scares me) :D
[11:36] <dazeddan2001> I double clicked it and get "Could not open the file /home/ubuntu/Desktop/GoogleEarthLinux.bin."
[11:36] <Xyc0> steve: what is the command you are using?
[11:36] <HexDump> jbmigel: the only thing I miss from win, is visual studio .net (c#) and windows forms :(
[11:36] <mcphail> dazeddan2001: use the terminal
[11:36] <ArrenLex> dazeddan: you probably don't have execute permissions. Go to a terminal and do what I told you.
[11:37] <jbmigel> HexDump yes welcome to gnu/linux. also good luck hacking your psp
[11:37] <lebafar> I am looking for a different bit torrent client from the oficial. Could someone help me on that please?
[11:37] <ArrenLex> dazeddan: after you give yourself exec permission through the term, you should be able to double-click.
[11:37] <kitche> !bittorrent
[11:37] <rambo3> HexDump, mono ?
[11:37] <steve> Xyc0, First: rmiregistry;  Then: java -cp myclasspath myRMIServer
[11:37] <ubotu> bittorrent: Scatter-gather network file transfer. In component main, is optional. Version 3.4.2-6ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 92 kB, installed size 580 kB
[11:37] <THX-1138> azureus - mentioned a lot
[11:37] <dazeddan2001> ok
[11:37] <dazeddan2001> I will try it
[11:37] <dazeddan2001> thanks
[11:37] <HexDump> jbmigel: nah no problem, I developed for it on windows, I made (last version is a port) pspectrum (great speccy fan here) :D
[11:37] <MrOregon> is there a channel for compiz support in ubuntu?
[11:37] <Xyc0> steve: are you in sudo?
[11:38] <steve> Xyc0, no
[11:38] <Xyc0> steve: sudo -s
[11:38] <THX-1138> #ubuntu-xgl
[11:38] <Xyc0> then try the commands
[11:38] <kitche> lebafar: yeah you can use azreus or rtorrent there is a lot of torrent clients but rtorrent is probably not what you want
[11:38] <sethk> HexDump, there is an implementation of c#.  the development environment might not be as slick, but it is much more powerful once you learn it.
[11:38] <kmaynard> bittorrent has a good client
[11:38] <lebafar> is rtorrent too bad?
[11:38] <jmcstev> help on Ubuntu-FAI
[11:38] <HexDump> sethk: I know but windows forms is an important thing for me.
[11:38] <kitche> lebafar: it's ncurses based
[11:39] <dgags> axp: any luck?
[11:39] <kitche> kmaynard: lebafar said doesn't want bittorrent
[11:39] <lebafar> I think Azureus is java based...
[11:39] <Xyc0> I need help with hibernation on a dell 5150, can someone point me in the right direction?
[11:39] <sethk> HexDump, that functionality is available.  it's just the visual studio part that isn't as slick.
[11:39] <lluka> hey does anyone know how to mount an ext3 volume with user privilages?
[11:39] <IconoclasticGoat> Okay, I have my menu.lst file up, and I think it's two separate versions.
[11:39] <THX-1138> #ubuntu-offtopic torrent clients
[11:39] <lebafar> I want something light and complete.
[11:39] <jbmigel> lebafar yes azureus needs java... look into utorrent
[11:39] <segfault> lluka, man mount
[11:39] <steve> Xyc0, still no luck.  java.net.SocketPermission <IP_ADDRESS>:22000 connect,resolve
[11:39] <ArrenLex> lluka: how are you mounting?
[11:40] <HexDump> sethk: do we have a gui building tool too?
[11:40] <Xyc0> steve: what are you trying to do?
[11:40] <lluka> i want to do it via fstab
[11:40] <knut_> which package is missing ?
[11:40] <lebafar> utorrent is a client?
[11:40] <knut_> ERROR: ld.so: object 'libjvm.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.
[11:40] <knut_> ERROR: ld.so: object 'libawt.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.
[11:40] <knut_> /usr/lib/opera/9.02-20060919.6/opera: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:40] <dazeddan2001> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[11:40] <kmaynard> kitche, thats what i get for going afk
[11:40] <Xyc0> steve:ultimately
[11:40] <IconoclasticGoat> Here's what I'm using now:  title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.15-26-386
[11:40] <IconoclasticGoat> root            (hd0,5)
[11:40] <IconoclasticGoat> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-26-386 root=/dev/hda6 ro quiet splash
[11:40] <IconoclasticGoat> initrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-26-386
[11:40] <IconoclasticGoat> savedefault
[11:40] <IconoclasticGoat> boot
[11:40] <THX-1138> !paste
[11:40] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[11:40] <ArrenLex> lluka, in your options field in fstab, just add "users". In fact, you should probably look at "man fstab".
[11:40] <Xyc0> sigh, told you sethk
[11:40] <jbmigel> wow
[11:40] <segfault> !pastebin
[11:40] <dazeddan2001> how do I open the file through this?
[11:40] <ArrenLex> users -> user, actually.
[11:40] <steve> Xyc0, I'm writing a java RMI program...
[11:40] <ArrenLex> Don't remember; on a windows machine.
[11:40] <steve> Xyc0, learning RMI
[11:40] <lebafar> whats RMI?
[11:41] <steve> lebafar, Java Remote Method Invocation
[11:41] <lebafar> oh.. ok.
[11:41] <sethk> steve, there are other similar technologies that you may also want to look at
[11:41] <steve> lebafar, it's not important if you don't know what it is....
[11:41] <lebafar> So last word is utorrent ?
[11:41] <knut_> does anyone know which package i need?
[11:41] <lluka> it gives me errors if i add uid , gid, or umask
[11:41] <Xyc0> IconoclasticGoat: we cannot see your info because you did not use pastebin
[11:41] <lluka> im guessing those arent ext3 options
[11:41] <steve> sethk, like CORBA?  I pretty much must learn RMI
[11:41] <wildchild> Why my mozilla won't execute: Cant execute aplication: mozilla url$. Check preferences
[11:41] <lebafar> steve I am learning java so I got interested.
[11:41] <steve> sethk, and this SHOULD work.
[11:41] <HexDump> by the way kopete roolz, I was not used to have all this protocols in one program :D
[11:41] <ArrenLex> lluka, "umask=000" to the options field, after a comma.
[11:41] <sethk> steve, RMI is really a special case of corba
[11:42] <segfault> lluka, why not perms of actual files
[11:42] <segfault> lluka, why not change perms of actual files on ext3  vol
[11:42] <sethk> steve, RMI has a corba compliant mode and java rmi clients can talk to other programs using corba, also
[11:42] <IconoclasticGoat> 1. Sorry, here it is again with paste: 2. title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.15-26-386 3. root            (hd0,5) 4. kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-26-386 root=/dev/hda6 ro quiet splash 5. initrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-26-386 6. savedefault 7. boot 8.
[11:42] <jmcstev> help with Ubuntu Dapper and FAI
[11:42] <lluka> because its a pain in the butt to keep doing that :/
[11:42] <sethk> steve, I wasn't saying not to learn rmi, I was saying there is other neat stuff also.
[11:42] <Xyc0> steve: yea, what sethk said
[11:42] <IconoclasticGoat> That's the Ubuntu I'm using.
[11:42] <IconoclasticGoat> This is the other Ubuntu listed in menu.lst:
[11:43] <lebafar> well, bbl! thank you guys!
[11:43] <THX-1138> !paste > Iconoclasticgoat
[11:43] <IconoclasticGoat> 1. # This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for an existing 2. # linux installation on /dev/hda3. 3. title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.15-27-386 (on /dev/hda3) 4. root            (hd0,2) 5. kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-27-386 root=/dev/hda3 ro quiet splash 6. initrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-27-386 7. savedefault 8. boot
[11:43] <steve> sethk, Xyc0 , doesn't matter.  I have to write a distributed app for my CS course.  We've already decided to use RMI.  Just gotta get some basic apps working on my laptop.... >.<
[11:43] <THX-1138> !ops
[11:43] <ubotu> Help! Keybuk, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmitch, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, nalioth, Madpilot, ompaul, rob, Hobbsee, imbrandon, DBO or gnomefreak!
[11:43] <HexDump> sethk: could you confirm the gui designer thing?
[11:43] <gnomefreak> THX-1138: ?
[11:43] <Xyc0> IconoclasticGoat: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[11:43] <kmaynard> whiskey tango foxtrot
[11:43] <THX-1138> Iconoclasticgoat flood
[11:43] <steve> sethk, Xyc0 , but i know there's lots of cool stuffs :)
[11:44] <dazeddan2001> How do I "Give myself Permission"?
[11:44] <anon32> help, how can I quickly replace the owner on multiple files?
[11:44] <gnomefreak> THX-1138: he didnt flood it was all one paragraph
[11:44] <Xyc0> dazeddan2001: chmod
[11:44] <dazeddan2001> Thats it? Just type chmod?
[11:44] <lluka> how can i make it read write first before i use man fstab
[11:44] <lluka> ?
[11:44] <THX-1138> gnomefreak ok, - he has done it severaltimes - likely very new to channel.
[11:44] <sethk> HexDump, I've tried some gui designers, yes, but I do o/s and device driver programming so I really don't pay attention to designer tools.  They do exist, and shouldn't be hard to find.
[11:45] <anon32> again, how can I quickly change the owner on multiple files?
[11:45] <Xyc0> dazeddan2001: no, that is the program that will allow you to change permissions
[11:45] <IconoclasticGoat> I don't know how to use paste to put the text in the channel.
[11:45] <sethk> anon32, chmod
[11:45] <sethk> anon32, chmod takes a list of files
[11:45] <gnomefreak> IconoclasticGoat: at 17:40 you did flood please use pastebin to paste text
[11:45] <HexDump> sethk: ok mate. c ya laters, it is time to sleep. bye all
[11:46] <gnomefreak> THX-1138: sorry i had to scroll farther
[11:46] <sethk> anon32, you can use it with -R to change files in subdirectories also
[11:46] <Tailsfan> !ubotu server
[11:46] <ubotu> Ubuntu Server Edition is a release of Ubuntu designed especially for server environments. The default install includes a server kernel and no GUI. The install CD contains many server applications. Current stable version is 6.06 LTS. For more info see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerFaq/
[11:46] <THX-1138> gnomefreak - nice channel. appreciate your efforts.
[11:46] <anon32> sethk, but chmod just changes permissions
[11:47] <anon32> I want to change owner
[11:47] <gnomefreak> anon32: owner =permissions
[11:47] <THX-1138> anon32 - the chown command
[11:47] <IconoclasticGoat> anon32: use chown.
[11:47] <kitche> anon32: use chown
[11:47] <jstarcher> how do I show the processes that are running? I forget the command :-(
[11:47] <anon32> lol, thanks
[11:47] <THX-1138> jstarcher: ps -e
[11:47] <erUSUL> jstarcher: ps ax
[11:48] <lluka> any way to chmod the entire partition?
[11:48] <dazeddan2001> Do I type chmod 777 -c?
[11:48] <jmcstev> ps auxww
[11:48] <anon32> do I use a gid or a name?
[11:48] <jstarcher> thanks
[11:48] <kitche> anon32: chown user:group
[11:48] <THX-1138> anon32  both or neither did that help?
[11:48] <anon32> ok, thanks
[11:48] <lluka> nvm made it work
[11:48] <lluka> :D
[11:48] <anon32> can I chown a directory?
[11:48] <lluka> chmod -R
[11:49] <lluka> makes it do all the files and folders
[11:49] <Xyc0> !ubotu hibernation
[11:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hibernation - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:49] <jmcstev> Can I perfom Netinstall with the alternate cd of dapper?
[11:49] <anon32> !hibernate
[11:49] <ubotu> hibernate: activates your computer's suspend functionality. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.12-1ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 66 kB, installed size 328 kB
[11:49] <THX-1138> !acpi
[11:49] <ubotu> acpi: displays information on ACPI devices. In component main, is optional. Version 0.09-1 (dapper), package size 10 kB, installed size 72 kB (Only available for i386 ia64 amd64)
[11:49] <sethk> dazeddan2001, it's better to use symbols with chmod instead of numbers.  such as   chmod a+rwx (give execute, read, and write permission to all) for example
[11:49] <IconoclasticGoat> !pastelog
[11:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pastelog - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:49] <sethk> anon32, yes
[11:49] <sethk> anon32, the x permission on a directory mean search (it's execute permission for a file)
[11:49] <benjamin> Any one knows how i change name on the NFS-icons on the desktop?
[11:49] <anon32> ok, example syntax for chowning a directory (I'm a noob)?
[11:50] <sethk> anon32, cp -av
[11:50] <sethk> anon32, I have say /usr/d1, and I do mkdir /usr/d2,   cd /usr/d2    cp -av /usr/d1/. .
[11:50] <sethk> anon32, note the two dots
[11:50] <kitche> anon32: chown user:group <directory>
[11:50] <IconoclasticGoat> sethk, if there are different kernels listed for the Ubuntu entries in /boot/grub/menu.lst, does that mean that I have Ubuntu installed twice?
[11:50] <sethk> anon32, the dot refers to the directory.  use the . instead of * because * misses hidden files.
[11:50] <Xyc0> Anyone here know how I can fix my hibernation?
[11:50] <dazeddan2001> Missing operand after 'a+rwx'
[11:50] <sethk> IconoclasticGoat, no, you may have two kernels, but not two installations.
[11:51] <sethk> IconoclasticGoat, is the    root=    part the same for both?
[11:51] <IconoclasticGoat> one moment...
[11:51] <IconoclasticGoat> no, one says root (hd0,5) and the other says root (hd0,2)
[11:51] <sethk> IconoclasticGoat, then you probably do have two installations
[11:52] <IconoclasticGoat> okay... how can I get rid of the (hd0,2) installation?
[11:52] <sethk> IconoclasticGoat, you can reuse the partition as file space
[11:52] <sethk> IconoclasticGoat, is that what you mean?
[11:52] <IconoclasticGoat> Yes
[11:52] <anon32> yay, chown does wonders
[11:53] <IconoclasticGoat> sethk, how do I do that?
[11:53] <sethk> IconoclasticGoat, you would do something like this:    mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda3
[11:53] <anon32> why can't nautilus do a recursive permissions/ownership change?
[11:53] <sethk> IconoclasticGoat, which creates a new file system on /dev/hda3 (which is the same as hd0,2 in grub)
[11:53] <dazeddan2001> OK I typed chmod a+awx and got "missing operand after a+awx"
[11:53] <dazeddan2001> I mean rwx
[11:53] <sethk> dazeddan2001, yes, you do have to give it at least one file name to change
[11:53] <Abst> dazeddan2001: Type the filename after it
[11:54] <IconoclasticGoat> sethk: I'll try that, thanks.
[11:54] <g333k_work> Hello, I just install edgy but I forgot my password, what can I dot?
[11:54] <Abst> E.g. chmod +x FILE.TXT
[11:54] <sethk> IconoclasticGoat, after that you have to mount it.
[11:54] <tecta> hmm, why does azureus require mozilla-browser even though I have firefox?
[11:54] <evol_> g333k_work: boot into single user mode and change the password
[11:54] <anon32> tecta, it uses mozilla-browser's libraries to pop annoying donation requests from you
[11:54] <g333k_work> evol_, how to do that?
[11:55] <tecta> anon32, =\ i don't want 2 browsers installed
[11:55] <anon32> if I uninstall some packages that are default in Ubuntu, will that mess up my system?
[11:55] <MrMazda> edgy net installer: "An error was returned while trying to install the initramfs-tools package onto the target system." :~(
[11:55] <anon32> tecta, I didn't like that either... mozilla is massive
[11:55] <IconoclasticGoat> sethk: If I mount it in the command line, will it continue to be mounted when I restart my computer?
[11:55] <evol_> g333k_work: boot he machine and enter init=/bin/bash as an extra parameter to the grub options. once you get a prompt you can use passwd to set the password
[11:56] <Flannel> anon32: not usually
[11:56] <lele_> @sethk: i don't think so
[11:56] <anon32> IconoclasticGoat, you need to edit /etc/fstab for that
[11:56] <Flannel> evol_, g333k_work, no need to do that.  Use the recovery console, already in your grub menu, here's a link once youre there
[11:56] <anon32> Flannel, ok, so if I were to deinstall evolution?
[11:56] <g333k_work> evol_, so I will be root?
[11:56] <Flannel> g333k_work: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LostPassword
[11:57] <evol_> g333k_work: yes
[11:57] <Flannel> anon32: that'd be fine.  You'll be forced to remove ubuntu-desktop (the meta package) but you'll still be fine.  You'll need to reinstall ubuntu-desktop (and therefore evolution) to upgrade to edgy and beyond and stuff though
[11:57] <anon32> Flannel, so, I need it for dist-upgrade?
[11:57] <Flannel> anon32: you'll need the meta packages, yes.
[11:57] <anon32> ............
[11:58] <evol_> Flannel: is recovery mode the same as single user mode?
[11:58] <Flannel> evol_: recovery is single user mode, yes.
[11:58] <jackrazz> hey everyone
[11:58] <anon32> and what does nautilus depend on for thumbnails?
[11:58] <anon32> video thumbnails*
[11:58] <evol_> Flannel: nice!
[11:58] <Subhuman> anon32, gstreamer
[11:58] <lele_> who have solved problems with ATI 3D?
[11:58] <IconoclasticGoat> What should my mountpoint be if I just want it for free disk space?
[11:58] <Subhuman> and to make the thumbnail,. it needs to have the right plugins/codecs of coure
[11:59] <Flannel> IconoclasticGoat: where do you want your free disk space? what for?
[11:59] <johso> hiya folks.
[11:59] <tecta> weird, when I open up camorama (webcam app) nothing appears just lines, and i have spca5xx loaded for my camera
[11:59] <echoz_ubuntu2> hi anyone ...now that i have easyubuntu installed how do i invoke it?   (noob here sorry)
[11:59] <anon32> Subhuman, so, if I remove totem, will I still have thumbnails?
[11:59] <IconoclasticGoat> Flannel: I just want it available for data to be written to.
[12:00] <Subhuman> anon32, yes
[12:00] <IconoclasticGoat> By Ubuntu.
[12:00] <anon32> Subhuman, is totem just a frontend to a massive backend for video playback?
[12:01] <Subhuman> anon32, yes


[04:57] <user|17> can I connect with android mobile ?
 XLG7
[07:49] <user|3> I have the problem that Discover simply crashes when I switch to the applications. What could be the reason for this? This happened after the system updates
[07:53] <diogeness> user|3: try launghing it from terminal and see what errors it shows when crashing.
[08:01] <user|3> The programs themselves can still be updated and started, but when I enter Discover in the Applications tab, it simply crashes without an error code. Or which commands do I have to use?
[08:05] <user|3> I can still install the programs via the terminal, but I'm just wondering why it doesn't work in Discover itself after the updates.
[12:10] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 no plasma 6 for 24.04. 24.10 will get ship with plasma 6. You can probably get plasma 6 to work on 24.04 via ppa
[21:55] <user|88> Hi there.
[21:57] <xuser> ?
[21:58] <xuser> я уж0 в чате?
[21:58] <user|88> xI I don't know who may read this I have a monitor Dell U3223QE and I have a max resolution of 3840x2160 16:9 the scaling seams not working.
[22:00] <xuser> ask on the forum
[22:00] <user|88> When I go to set the bar higher in the global scaling in the display configuration everything stays the same.
[22:01] <xuser> I'm deleting this ICQ for the hell of it. there's nothing alive here
[22:02] <bprompt> !ru | xuser
[22:03] <bprompt> user|88: I don't use scaling, but maybe after a reboot, have you rebooted yet?
[22:03] <xuser> уже набрал, т олку ни какого :(
[22:03] <user|88> mm I give it a go
[22:04] <xuser> аааа, щас
[22:04] <user|88> I give it a go bpromt
[22:04] <user|88> see ya  and fingers crossed


[06:46] <hikiko> hello
[06:46] <mlankhorst> g'day
[06:48] <hikiko> did you have any problems with the libgbm recently? I upgraded to have the latest mir libraries and I noticed that an example program I write using gbm doesn't work anymore (runtime errors), i switched to debian where I have an old libgbm version and it works fine
[07:05] <tvoss> RAOF, ping
[07:12] <smspillaz> tvoss: its a public holiday in Australia today
[07:12] <tvoss> smspillaz, ah, thanks
[07:12] <smspillaz> np
[10:05] <alan_g> tvoss: ping
[10:32] <tvoss> alan_g, pong
[10:32] <alan_g> do you know anything about "hardware cursor"?
[10:33] <tvoss> alan_g, no intimate details, but I have a high-level understanding of its purpose and idea
[10:34] <alan_g> tvoss: all I have are a few notes I made talking to racarr - which are a bit low level, sparse, and confusing now I look again
[10:35] <alan_g> I was going to talk to alf, but between one delay and another...
[10:36] <tvoss> alan_g, yeah, so how can I help?
[10:36] <alan_g> Maybe you can't - I was just hoping
[14:27] <alan_g> Sigh!  Why doesn't mir run from a remote terminal any more?
[15:05] <kdub> morning folks, status, hunting bugs
[15:06] <alan_g> afternoon kdub, status trying to understand how some of the code works
[15:07] <kdub> anything i can help with?
[15:08] <alan_g> It's the gbm code, I think I just have to keep going until I get the right idea. :(
[15:10] <alan_g> What I'd really like to do is run mir from a debugger in a remote terminal so I can step through it, but it doesn't seem to like not being in a VT.
[16:01] <racarr> Morning
[16:02] <alan_g> Afternoon
[16:03] <alan_g> racarr: what's the weather going to be like? Do I need shorts? Rain gear? ...
[16:04] <alan_g> Is the forecast accurate?
[16:05] <racarr> alan_g: Who knows if the forecast is accurate
[16:05] <racarr> the weather should be really good though today is our first overcast day in weeks
[16:05] <racarr> it would be pretty weird if it rained more than once
[16:05] <alan_g> especially in the office
[16:05] <alan_g> ;)
[17:12] <kgunn> racarr: kdub ....i think i forgot to tell you guys, i'm going to EOD early & i'm out tomorrow
[17:12] <kgunn> i have to drive to alabama to fetch my daughter/stuff from dorm
[17:12] <kgunn> see you in oakland
[17:21] <racarr> See you!
[17:21] <racarr> have a good drive
[17:22] <racarr> I am going to be out from about 10 minutes from now for about 2 hours to look at an apartment :)
[17:22] <racarr> /win goto 39
[17:22] <racarr> whoops
[17:26] <tvoss> kgunn, see you in Oakland
[17:29] <alan_g|life> kgunn: see you there
[17:31] <racarr> Wheeee oakland
[18:03] <tvoss> racarr, ping
[18:17] <racarr> tvoss: Pong
[18:18] <racarr> about to leave (need to within 5-10 minutes for an apartment showing)
[18:18] <racarr> but what's up?
[18:18] <tvoss> racarr, nothing special
[18:18] <tvoss> good luck for the appartement though
[18:19] <racarr> Thanks :)
[18:19] <racarr> I am hoping to make a video today :) I fixed up all the quirks in the terminal
[18:19] <racarr> so emacs is usable now...haha
[18:20] <racarr> but then when I tab more than a few times there is a crash
[18:20] <racarr> so I have to fix that...then video!
[18:22] <racarr> Gotta run. cheers :)
[18:40] <tvoss> racarr, cheers :)
[19:12] <arsson> i know this is mir channel, but could anyone tell me how to get nvidia official drivers to work in ubuntu 13.04? after installation desktop disappears.
[19:18] <arsson> or DE
[20:59] <robert_ancell> RAOF, Did you have any complaints about https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/mir/surface-states-simplification/+merge/160583?
[23:07] <robert_ancell> kdub, is there a reason not to do ensure_no_live_buffers_bound in the destructor? I guess because the destructor may not have a GL context?
[23:08] <kdub> in the destructor of what? glRenderer?
[23:08] <robert_ancell> yeah
[23:10] <kdub> glRenderer's lifetime is the same as the compositor, so on every draw, we don't construct/destruct the glRenderer
[23:11] <kdub> the object that is in charge of securing and freeing texture resources for glRenderer is the (perhaps poorly named) RenderingOperator
[23:14] <robert_ancell> kdub, ah, cheers
[23:20] <robert_ancell> thomi, still busy? Can I get you to enable CI for unity-greeter?
[23:20] <robert_ancell> or tell me where to file bugs to request that
[23:20] <thomi> robert_ancell: CI and autolanding? for lp:unity-greeter?
[23:20] <robert_ancell> yep
[23:21] <robert_ancell> actually I'm not sure if someone else has done it - any way to check?
[23:22] <kdub> thomi, do you know if we're generating mir armhf packages anywhere?
[23:22] <thomi> robert_ancell: the easiest way is to look either in the jenkins server, or in the cupstream2distro-config source
[23:22] <thomi> let me check the jenkins server quickly...
[23:23] <thomi> robert_ancell: looks like it's already enabled
[23:23] <robert_ancell> thomi, ah, cheers - what is the URL for the jenkins server?
[23:23] <thomi> the public interface is jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com


[09:01] <rvba> gmb: btw, did you get around to writing that new FAQ entry in the doc we talked about yesterday (or the day before)?
[09:02] <gmb> Fiddlesticks, no.
[09:02] <gmb> I’ll do that presently.
[09:02] <rvba> Cool.
[09:23] <gmb> rvba: Tiny review for you: https://code.launchpad.net/~gmb/maas/doc-change/+merge/216271
[09:23] <rvba> gmb: approved
[09:24] <gmb> Th
[09:24] <gmb> x
[10:12] <alfs> Hi, I'm in the process of getting an openstack cloud running via the maas+juju route
[10:13] <alfs> Regarding page http://maas.ubuntu.com/docs/juju-quick-start.html , can you please update the sync-tools command? Page says juju --sync-tools, it should be juju sync-tools
[10:13] <alfs> Again, the page should also clearly state that some nodes must be in the Ready state.
[10:13] <alfs> I was playing with my maas-machines, and had all allocated when I tried to bootstrap.
[10:14] <alfs> Got error "gomaasapi: got error back from server: 409 CONFLICT"
[10:15] <alfs> (which really did not help) - found a QA page that suggested maas-cli files list and removing some provisionging files. Did not work.
[10:16] <alfs> Finally I realized that perhaps the bootstrapping needed "ready" nodes, tried that and it worked. So I suggest a) having a more helpful error than "409 CONFLICT" and b) update the quick-start guide to clearly state this (it says "at least 2 nodes enlisted", which is too ambiguous)
[10:18] <alfs> I also wonder if there is a way to release nodes from the web interface? Now I did it via maas-cli nodes list, getting the system id, then maas-cli node release node-nnnn. But is there some simpler way of releasing?
[10:22] <gmb> alfs: Thanks for the documentation feedback. Would you mind filing a bug about this so we can track the work (https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+filebug)?
[10:22] <alfs> sure
[10:22] <rvba> alfs: Hi, thanks for the feedback.  I think we have a bug about the fact that the "conflict" error is not really helpful… let me see if I can find it.
[10:23] <rvba> alfs: you should be able to release nodes from the UI by using the "Stop" button or the "Stop nodes" bulk action.
[10:26] <alfs> Ok - can't find a stop node, only action is a greyed out delete node. (Perhaps I'm running an old version, anyway it's from the cloud-archive:tools repository
[10:27] <alfs> 1.2+bzr1373+dfsg-0ubuntu1~12.04.5
[10:28] <rvba> Yeah, it's a bit old and that's probably why the stop button isn't there.
[10:29] <alfs> btw, is trusty available in later maas releases (seeing that it should be a final release today :))
[10:30] <rvba> alfs: yes, MAAS 1.5 is in Trusty. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes.
[10:48] <rvba> gmb: can you confirm that the version switcher widget is displayed correctly on maas.ubuntu.com/docs ?
[10:48] <rvba> (I had to fight with the cache here but it might be because I requested that page when I was still syncing the documentation)
[10:49] <gmb> rvba: Yep. Looks good.
[10:49] <rvba> gmb: does it include version 1.3?
[10:49] <gmb> Yes
[10:49] <rvba> Ok, cool.  Thanks for checking.
[10:49] <gmb> np
[10:51] <alfs> I did an apt-get update + upgrade on my installation, got to maas 1.4, and now there is a "stop node" and "use the fast installer" action buttons.
[10:52] <alfs> now going for a do-release-upgrade -d to trusty and see how that works out
[13:11] <alfs> would it be possible to provision to a ram-disk instead of permanent storage? ie. like the enlisting boot, but with a "full" installation
[13:12] <rvba> alfs: no, disk-less provisioning is currently not supported.  But it's on our radar :).
[13:13] <alfs> that would be really nice, we've got rooms of student workstations that need to have a windows installation daytime, but could then be used as a cloud at night and weekends
[13:47] <bladernr_> Hey, out of curiosity, how long will it take after the release announcement to get official 14.04 PXE and Ephemeral images for MAAS?
[13:47] <bladernr_> (how long shoud I wait before updating my maas server?
[13:51] <rvba> bladernr_: rc images are already in place.
[13:51] <rvba> smoser: how long before the 'release' images are in place?
[13:52] <bladernr_> rvba: cool... so to confimr then, the current RC images are considered officially golden?
[13:52] <bladernr_> confirm, even...
[13:53] <rvba> bladernr_: I think so… but let's get smoser to confirm that 'officially' :).
[13:53] <smoser> bladernr_, RC images are not golden, no.
[13:53] <smoser> but i'm not sure why you're concerned about when you shoudl update.
[13:53] <rvba> smoser: oh?
[13:53] <smoser> just update
[13:53] <smoser> and then update again
[13:54] <smoser> and then again
[13:54] <smoser> (as you can, and should do)
[13:54] <bladernr_> ok... the reason I asked is that the TPMs, FEs and Cert team wanted to know how long they needed to wait to update to "Official 14.04 PXE and ephemerals" for official certification testing on Server
[13:54] <bladernr_> if I update a maas server NOW, and start cert testing, I may not be using actual Golden images there
[13:54] <bladernr_> thus my cert would be unacceptable
[13:55] <smoser> well, that makes some sense.
[13:55] <bladernr_> yeah, it's not so much a matter of function as it is just paperwork and official blessing
[13:55] <smoser> but in reality, the nature of maas (and the ubuntu archive) is that you testing something "now" bears no actual guarantee on someone running it tomorrow.
[13:56] <bladernr_> right, but from a contractual point of view, saying "It's Certified on Beta 2" is one thing (unsupported) but saying "It's supported on 14.04 GA" means "It's supported until 14.04 is EOL"
[13:56] <bladernr_> err... saying "It's CERTIFIED on 14.04 GA"
[13:56] <smoser> bladernr_, actually what is in 'daily' right now is what i would hope to make 'release' later today.
[13:57] <bladernr_> me too... heh... no respins!
[14:16] <smoser> bladernr_, ok. so what is there now is crap (in daily).
[14:17] <smoser> it missed a bunch of stuff.
[14:51] <alfs> gettings hickups in the commissioning, the installerer halts at "download installer components", no kernel modules were found
[14:51] <alfs> and requires console interaction
[14:53] <alfs> basically added trusty to bootresources.yaml and import-pxe-files
[14:57] <rvba> alfs: this is https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1302158
[14:58] <rvba> smoser: I thought this (^) would disappear now that the kernels are "stable"…?
[14:58] <alfs> ah, ty :). Will let it rest until tomorrow
[14:58] <rvba> alfs: did you run the import script again to make sure you have the latest imageS?
[15:00] <alfs> yes, I ran it a number of times, there were also some problems, e.g. a .part file missing, next time a bad checksum, then a missing pgp key, and then it completeted
[15:02] <smoser> rvba, it will
[15:02] <alfs> anyway, I'm going for a clean trusty maas install, there may be some artifacts of upgradings and my hacking around
[15:02] <smoser> rvba, we'res till out of date
[15:03] <smoser> working on that right now. thought i had it last night, but messed up something.
[15:04] <rvba> smoser: okay
[15:04] <rvba> Thanks for the heads up.
[16:09] <smoser> rvba, bladernr_ we should be good now in daily.
[16:10] <smoser> and the plan will be to promote 20140416 builds to release here shortly
[16:29] <bladernr_> smoser: should this be necessary now:
 bladernr, you need to modify bootresources.yaml to point to the daily directory to get anything newer than april 10th (that's what I had to do)
[16:30] <bladernr_> that was just to pull trust dailies...
[16:30] <bladernr_> we should be able to revert that today, yes?
[16:32] <bladernr_> smoser: nevermind, now that I poked around a bit I see what you were saying.
[16:33] <smoser> yeah, so dailies now have 20140416 stuff.
[16:33] <smoser> but releases does not.
[16:36] <bladernr_> smoser: ack... thanks
[18:47] <Kupo24z> Hey all, are trusty release maas boot images avalible? All im getting are RC
[19:02] <bladernr_> question... in bootresources.yaml, theres a selections: &id001 and a selections: *id001 in two different sections (Daily and Releases)
[19:02] <bladernr_> does that mean maas-import-pxe-files will look for the same selections in both releases and daily on maas.ubuntu.com?
[19:03] <bladernr_> e.g. is *id001 just a pointer back to everything that follows under &id001?
[19:16] <blahRus> Bump for 14.04 maas images???


[13:58] <AlanBell> JohnLea: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/741869 is marked as fixed in design, does that mean you want the current behaviour, that super and alt are grabed from virtual and remote desktops by the host?


[01:55] <InHisName> Evening
[02:48] <JonathanD> Howdy.
[08:59] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:23] <rmg51> Morning
[09:23] <JonathanD> Hey rmg51
[09:23] <rmg51> hi JonathanD
[09:24] <JonathanD> Whats up?
[09:25] <rmg51> luckily nothing at this hour
[09:26] <rmg51> just reading the morning paper
[09:28] <JonathanD> excellent.
[12:20] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else
[12:35] <ChinnoDog> rmg51: What is newsworthy today?
[12:37] <rmg51> JonathanD: is going to do a talk for the Linux SIG at PACS this Sat.
[12:37] <rmg51> other then that nothing that I know of
[13:17] <InHisName> Good drizzly morning
[16:06] <ChinnoDog> No drizzle here.


[00:12] <highvoltage> oh man I'd so love to be late for my own funeral one day
[00:12] <highvoltage> they could put it on my gravestone "He was even late for his own funeral"
[00:13] <highvoltage> (bit too morbid?)
[00:13] <charlie-tca> not me, I plan to be early!
[08:25] <benonsoftware> Question: When is the next Asia Oceania meeting?
[08:41] <elky> o.O
[09:57] <davidcalle> Morning all
[09:57] <MooDoo> davidcalle: morning
[16:00]  * mvo waves
[16:01] <jhunt> o/
[16:01] <bdmurray> \o
[16:01]  * slangasek waves
[16:02]  * stgraber waves
[16:02] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[16:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:02. The chair is slangasek.
[16:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:03] <hannie_> Hi, I'm here for the first time and I am going to "listen"
[16:03] <slangasek> hannie_: welcome :)
[16:04] <slangasek> [TOPIC] lightning round
[16:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  lightning round
[16:04] <hannie_> thanks
[16:04] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e cjwatson barry doko csurbhi stgraber jhunt mvo ev vorlon bdmurray)
[16:04] <slangasek> stgraber doko cjwatson ev vorlon csurbhi bdmurray jhunt mvo barry
[16:04] <slangasek> stgraber: start the ball rolling :)
[16:04] <stgraber> Fixed and released Edubuntu.
[16:04] <stgraber> Worked on Arkose, blog post to come soon. I basically did a complete rewrite to python and porting to LXC.
[16:04] <stgraber> Spent a bit of yesterday working on bug 482419.
[16:04] <stgraber> Rest of the week will most likely be spent working on Arkose, getting it in shape for an upload and blogging about it as soon as possible (code is in lp:~arkose-dev/arkose/trunk)
[16:04] <stgraber> Will review and upload a new sssd later this week too now that ding-libs go accepted in the archive (missing build-dep for the new sssd).
[16:04] <stgraber> (done)
[16:05] <stgraber> (as in, release alpha-1 of Edubuntu, obviously ;))
[16:05] <barry> stgraber: is arkose compatible w/python3? :)
[16:05] <stgraber> barry: not yet, but converting should be really easy :) I have a few print that python3 won't like.
[16:05] <slangasek> sru for 482419 accepted into -proposed, thanks :)
[16:06] <barry> stgraber: it would be fun to try.  i'd be happy to help!
[16:07] <slangasek> doko:
[16:07] <doko> - various GCC/gnat/gcj multiarch packaging fixes
[16:07] <doko> - track down unity-2d-places crash to qt4-x11 violating strict aliasing rules (with didrocks)
[16:07] <doko> - track down autogen build failure
[16:07] <doko> - track down binutils regressions
[16:07] <doko> - update GCC packages
[16:07] <doko> - syncs and merges
[16:07] <stgraber> barry: ported ;) was just 7 lines to change
[16:07] <doko> and multiarch enabled packages building now for unstable
[16:07] <barry> stgraber: you rock!
[16:08] <slangasek> yay for multiarch :)  will be flushing patches to Debian soon...
[16:08] <doko> (done)
[16:08] <slangasek> then maybe we can have one or two base libraries back in sync
[16:09] <cjwatson> any more word on the dpkg patch review?
[16:09] <slangasek> none
[16:10] <slangasek> it's not critical-path for getting other packages back in sync, but it's obviously not good for Debian to not have the feature :/
[16:10] <slangasek> cjwatson:
[16:11] <cjwatson> On holiday Wed-Fri, so not much activity this week.  (I did a fun d-i port to the Yeeloong mipsel netbook in my vacation, among other things ...)
[16:11] <cjwatson> Got back to live-build.  As I get into more detail the list of work items has been growing, but I think it's now complete and the remaining items are fairly easy.  I should finish this later this week.
[16:11] <cjwatson> Belatedly pushed lupin changes for bug 610898 to lucid/maverick.
[16:11] <cjwatson> Moved Kubuntu seeds to ~kubuntu-dev branches.
[16:11] <cjwatson> --
[16:11] <cjwatson> Last week, finally managed to fix iSCSI boot (bug 728088).
[16:11] <cjwatson> Continuing to help out with GHC transition.
[16:12] <psurbhi> cjwatson, cool! that must have been nasty!
[16:12] <psurbhi> the iscsi boot bug
[16:13] <cjwatson> yes, as ever having direct access to an affected machine helped enormously
[16:13] <cjwatson> I don't know how much your code does with networking as yet, but you might like to have a look at the fix
[16:14] <psurbhi> ok
[16:14] <psurbhi> thanks! i will do that
[16:15] <cjwatson> the configure_networking interface right now is *nasty*
[16:16] <cjwatson> definitely needs redesigning rather than emulating
[16:16] <slangasek> cjwatson: glad that live-build porting is reaching a conclusion.  Do you know where the ARM team sits with porting their images over?
[16:17] <cjwatson> I've done testing on x86 builds that are more or less equivalent from the build-script point of view to ARM images
[16:17] <cjwatson> I have no remaining compatibility items that are specific to ARM
[16:18] <slangasek> ok, great
[16:18] <cjwatson> (fixes were: making '--initramfs none' actually work, for jasper; using mkfs.ext2/ext3 rather than genext2fs; creating swap file in ext2/ext3 images)
[16:18] <cjwatson> so I intend to big-bang all flavours and architectures at once
[16:19] <slangasek> \o/
[16:20] <slangasek> do the release team get a training session on live-build before alpha-2? :)
[16:20] <slangasek> ev:
[16:21] <ev> - Spent the vast majority of the week fighting PyGI.  Got fairly fair in the
[16:21] <ev>   ubiquity conversation, but hit a bit of a wall trying to port a custom
[16:21] <ev>   widget (timezone map).  Putting down for the moment so as to not waste too
[16:21] <ev>   much time on one workitem.
[16:21] <ev> - Worked on re-proposal email for measuring installation failure and success.
[16:21] <ev>   I'm going to suggest that we dive straight in to the full implementation,
[16:21] <ev>   putting a checkbox on the slideshow and crash dialog for "send data to help
[16:21] <ev>   improve experience."  Leaving this checked, as will be the default, will
[16:21] <ev>   collect data on installation failure and success, but also the installer
[16:21] <ev>   version, CD data, and some additional information that would provide a
[16:21] <ev>   better picture around the failing installs.
[16:21] <ev> - Read Microsoft's paper on the design of Windows Error Reporting, and replied
[16:21] <ev>   to the Ubuntu Metrics team with my thoughts on how we can feed this into the
[16:21] <ev>   design of the automatic crash reporting.  They've largely automated the
[16:21] <ev>   traditional bug feedback loop.  Instead of the user having to file a bug,
[16:21] <ev>   the developer looking it over and asking the user for more information, or
[16:21] <ev>   providing an instrumented build for the user to try, both with a very long
[16:21] <ev>   feedback loop, if a developer sees crashes coming through that require more
[16:21] <ev>   information, they hit a flag in WER that tells subsequent clients to
[16:21] <ev>   automatically collect the additional required data, or even provide a stack
[16:21] <ev>   trace against every malloc call with a garbage collection done at the end to
[16:21] <ev>   provide verbose information on the leak, all happening with the users only
[16:21] <ev>   pressing "yes, I'd like to help Microsoft fix this."  And of course, they
[16:21] <ev>   have a means of feeding updates back to the system if the bug is already
[16:21] <ev>   fixed.
[16:22] <ev> - Met with Christian to discuss the design work needed on Wubi this cycle.  I
[16:22] <ev>   need to provide him with a screencast of the install process.
[16:22] <ev> - Fairly long call with Rick, Allison, and others to discuss the state of
[16:22] <ev>   Platform Futures.
[16:22] <ev> (done)
[16:22] <slangasek> ev: documentation of pygi still a problem?
[16:22] <cjwatson> did my mail about EU privacy law concerns reach you?  I haven't seen any replies to it, and am not sure if that's due to delivery problems or because everyone's blowing me off as a loon :)
[16:22] <ev> it's a ghetto.
[16:23] <ev> cjwatson: they did and I was reading it over this morning
[16:23] <ev> I suspect the opt-out nature of the re-proposal addresses that point, but I'm happy to run things by Amanda
[16:23] <cjwatson> a checkbox (as opposed to hiding it in preseeding) would satisfy my concerns there, I think
[16:23] <cjwatson> I don't recall its position on opt-in vs. opt-out
[16:25] <cjwatson> but not hiding it is the main thing
[16:25] <ev> indeed
[16:25] <ev> I will fight hard on it being checked by default though
[16:25] <ev> I don't think we're going to get good data with opt-in
[16:25] <cjwatson> I don't think I personally feel strongly on that at any rate
[16:26] <ev> and then there's the whole publishing battle, but I had a good chat with mdz on that
[16:26] <cjwatson> we should think about Wubi though, it will need the same checkbox (since its second stage is noninteractive)
[16:26] <ev> indeed, there's already a workitem for it
[16:26] <ev> way ahead of you ;)
[16:29] <cjwatson> heh, ok :)
[16:31] <psurbhi> did vorlon, get dc?
[16:31] <cjwatson> looks like it
[16:32] <psurbhi> ok
[16:32] <cjwatson> psurbhi: want to go ahead?
[16:32] <psurbhi> i will paste in my status
[16:32] <psurbhi> yeah
[16:32] <psurbhi> *) short week - thursday, friday - off.
[16:32] <psurbhi> *) working on writing the initctl command for changing the root filesystem
[16:32] <psurbhi> *) done.
[16:32] <cjwatson> heh, short and sweet :)
[16:33]  * slangasek shakes his fist at freenode
[16:33] <slangasek> what'd I miss? :)
[16:33] <cjwatson> will paste
[16:33] <slangasek> (did my own report make it through?)
[16:34] <barry> slangasek: nope
[16:34] <cjwatson> nope
[16:34] <slangasek> k, repasting
[16:34] <slangasek> * merged new pam upstream version, sweeping up the CVEs for oneiric
[16:34] <slangasek> * moving some of our patches a little closer to upstream
[16:34] <slangasek> * coordinating multiarch fixes into Debian
[16:34] <slangasek> * various other syncs/merges (most .la files dropped last cycle for multiarch are now syncs again)
[16:34] <slangasek> * will look at nfs-utils, rpcbind this week
[16:34] <slangasek> (done)
[16:34] <slangasek> questions?
[16:35] <slangasek> psurbhi: initctl command for changing root filesystem> is this the same thing as serializing state to let upstart re-exec itself, or are you doing it a different way?
[16:36] <psurbhi> slangasek, its achieving what run-init does in initramfs through upstart
[16:36] <psurbhi> so actually it could let any init be execed (could be upstart or /bin/sh etc)
[16:36] <cjwatson> no state passing
[16:36] <slangasek> ah, ok
[16:36] <psurbhi> yeah, no state passing yet
[16:36]  * slangasek nods
[16:37] <slangasek> bdmurray:
[16:37] <bdmurray> bug stats for foundations-bugs with arsenal work, push changes to collect-team-bugtotals in arsenal to gather bug stats about packages the team is    subscribed to, updating collect-team-bugtotals to get bugs tagged apport- or regression-
[16:37] <bdmurray> added bug reported acknowledgement for update-manager (telling people to tag bugs distribution-upgrade)
[16:37] <bdmurray> updated apt's apport package installation failure routine to include /var/log/apt/history.log and not report ENOENT bug
[16:37] <bdmurray> wrote an update-manager apport hook, proposed branch for merging and had it merged / sponsored
[16:37] <mvo> bdmurray:  \o/
[16:37] <bdmurray> update packages-with-most-bugs-recently.py mailing list parsing script which returns most recent packages with bugs counts
[16:37] <bdmurray> patch pilot
[16:37] <bdmurray> wrote some apport bug patterns for foundations-bugs
[16:37] <bdmurray> phone call with allison regarding bug workflow / lifecycle survey
[16:38] <bdmurray> done
[16:38] <jhunt> Lots of Upstart merging again. All natty feature code sent as individual
[16:38] <jhunt> patches to upstart-devel and now applied to lp:upstart. Cookbook update
[16:38] <jhunt> (lots more in progress due to merging). Ubuntu merge still TODO -
[16:38] <jhunt> somewhat of a conflict extravaganza! :) Mailed Coverity re scanning
[16:38] <jhunt> Upstart+libnih codebases - no response yet... Now starting to discuss
[16:38] <jhunt> Oneiric plans on MLs. Experimentation with Abstract Jobs.  Ongoing
[16:38] <jhunt> investigations into chkconfig-like tool for Upstart.
[16:38] <jhunt> ✔
[16:38] <slangasek> so as of this week, that means apport will only be sending us useful bug reports ;)
[16:39] <jhunt> psurbhi: do we have a list of jobs that need to pass state btw?
[16:39] <psurbhi> i thought that was plymouth and something else
[16:39] <psurbhi> mentioned on the blueprint
[16:40] <mvo> Short week, last thursday public holiday, friday vacation
[16:40] <mvo> squid-deb-proxy: merge/cleanup debconf support, add pkgblacklist, add .d directories for destination/source/pkgblacklist, add udeb
[16:40] <mvo> apt: work on abi-break branch that merges the various abi-break branches together, add distro as query string to the mirror method, make mirror ignore "#" lines, SoC work
[16:40] <mvo> update-notifier: honor global disabled apport properly
[16:40] <mvo> software-center: branch review/merges, make qml branch pyflakes clean, adds model tests for the qml branch, merge basic qml UI to trunk, work on improved "enum-style-idea" branch and merge to trunk, upload new version
[16:40] <mvo> (done)
[16:40] <barry> python3.1 rdeps eradicated (bug 791423 still outstanding); bug 634387 and bug 659738 (double motd banner); foundations-o-dhpython-transition (should have wiki page and status email rsn); foundations-o-python-versions (working on py3-on-cd data); released python 2.6.7; patch pilot; platform futures meeting; udd stakeholders meeting; done.
[16:41] <slangasek> will be nice to finally put that motd bug to rest
[16:42] <barry> slangasek: indeed.  do you have any thoughts on which patch to accept for lucid?
[16:42] <slangasek> incidentally, I was going to pull lp:ubuntu/sysvinit to look at some of the history of the maintainer script, and bzr tells me it's no longer there :P
[16:42] <psurbhi> jhunt, i dont really recollect which one it was.. but its some process that needs to be stoped just for the switch..! cjwatson, do you happen to know this?
[16:42] <slangasek> (it used to be, because I have a branch of it locally!)
[16:43] <barry> slangasek: sadly, i did not have a branch of it and had to use apt-get source.  don't know what happened to it :(
[16:43] <psurbhi> jhunt, i will find this out and let you know!
[16:43] <slangasek> barry: are there competing options now?  I thought the '&& ! [ -L ... ]' was the only proposal on the table
[16:43] <cjwatson> psurbhi: udev?
[16:43] <jhunt> psurbhi: thanks
[16:43] <cjwatson> but that needs to be stopped to move it to the new root
[16:43] <slangasek> barry: I guess I should raise a udd bug on that; losing the existing branch is rather an unpleasant failure mode
[16:43] <psurbhi> yes, i thought it was udev, but we could just restart it without the state, it will just be slower without the state maybe..?
[16:43]  * cjwatson tries to grep
[16:43] <barry> slangasek: i thought there was another option (backporting oneiric's full change to lucid), but i like the !-L option a lot.  maybe i should just upload that and be done with it :)
[16:44] <cjwatson> $ grep -r '/dev/\.initramfs/.*pid' /usr/share/initramfs-tools/
[16:44] <cjwatson> /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-top/plymouth:/sbin/plymouthd --mode=boot --attach-to-session --pid-file=/dev/.initramfs/plymouth.pid
[16:44] <psurbhi> i did remember discussing udev as that process at the UDS
[16:44] <cjwatson> /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-top/bootchart:echo $! > /dev/.initramfs/bootchart.pid
[16:44] <barry> slangasek: bzr bug, yes definitely!
[16:44] <cjwatson> /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-bottom/plymouth:if [ -f ${rootmnt}/dev/.initramfs/plymouth.pid ]
[16:44] <cjwatson> so I think NOT udev but plymouth and bootchart
[16:44] <psurbhi> yes! thats it .. bootchart! :) thanks a lot!
[16:44] <slangasek> barry: having looked at the differences, backporting the full change makes me nervous.  I might be less nervous if I had VCS history to look at ;P
[16:44] <psurbhi> jhunt ^ so thats it - plymouth and bootchart :)
[16:44] <jhunt> slangasek: lp:~jamesodhunt/sysvinit/for-slangasek
[16:45] <barry> slangasek: agreed and agreed!
[16:46] <jhunt> psurbhi: thanks. state saving does seem like an awful lot of work for just two jobs though :)
[16:46] <slangasek> jhunt: I think that's about the same as what I have here, and predates all the interesting changes... :)
[16:46] <cjwatson> state saving is more useful for upgrades
[16:46] <barry> slangasek: okay, i'll upload the !-L patch to lucid-proposed
[16:46] <slangasek> jhunt: thanks anyway though :)
[16:47] <barry> slangasek: and there's always `bzr import-dsc`
[16:47] <slangasek> yeah...
[16:48] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[16:48] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[16:48] <slangasek> anything else today?
[16:49] <cjwatson> not urgent right now, but we should probably start planning for the rally soon
[16:50] <slangasek> yes
[16:50] <ev> the idea of installing updates after downloading them in ubiquity came back up today
[16:50] <ev> I'm inclined to do it
[16:50] <slangasek> there's a wiki page seeded where you can post your agenda items for the rally; one sec
[16:50] <cjwatson> slangasek: ah, good
[16:51] <cjwatson> ev: how would we get over the problems raised last tme (essentially, what to do if you finish installation before you're finished upgrading)?
[16:51] <ev> cjwatson: let it keep going until it's done, presumably with a cancel button if it hasn't started installing packages yet
[16:51] <mvo> could we use unattended-upgrades in minimal-steps mode for this? it will still have a delay, but smaller
[16:51] <cjwatson> or minimal-chunks mode perhaps?
[16:51] <cjwatson> snap
[16:51] <mvo> :)
[16:52] <slangasek> https://wiki.canonical.com/UbuntuPlatform/Rally/Oneiric/Foundations
[16:52] <ev> I am unfamiliar with this. Can you please point me at your manifesto? ;)
[16:54] <cjwatson> /usr/bin/unattended-upgrade:upgrade_in_minimal_steps()
[16:54] <mvo> ev: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades has some text, look for minimal seps
[16:54] <mvo> steps even
[16:54] <ev> thanks to the both of you
[16:55] <cjwatson> remind me to spend some time optimising man-db, I bet I could speed up minimal-steps mode some
[16:55] <mvo> that would be great!
[16:55] <cjwatson> (though actually I don't know how much of the slowness there is per-run and how much is per-file)
[16:55] <mvo> the code in u-n is currently pretty simple (== navie) there is lots of room for improvement there as well
[16:56] <cjwatson> alternatively buxy's work on reorganising triggers would help too
[16:59] <slangasek> anything else before we adjourn?
[16:59] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[16:59] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:59.
[16:59] <slangasek> thanks, all
[16:59] <stgraber> thanks!
[16:59] <barry> thanks!
[16:59] <mvo> thanks
[16:59] <psurbhi> thanks
[16:59] <slangasek> please start plugging your rally agenda items into the wiki as you think of them
[17:00] <jhunt> thx
[17:00] <ev> thanks
[17:00] <pc_magas> Kalispera
[17:01] <pc_magas> Twn euxaristiwn einai simera?
[17:01] <pc_magas> xaxaxaxa
[17:01] <pc_magas> Sorry
[17:59] <pedro_> hello
[18:00] <patrickmw> hey
[18:00] <bdmurray> hey
[18:00] <patrickmw> jinx
[18:00] <jibel> hello
[18:00] <bdmurray> lets get going then
[18:00] <bdmurray> #startmeeting
[18:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:00. The chair is bdmurray.
[18:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[18:01] <bdmurray> the agenda is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings
[18:01] <bdmurray> [TOPIC] Previous Actions
[18:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Previous Actions
[18:01] <bdmurray> bdmurray working on bugs with WORKAROUNDS
[18:02] <bdmurray> So I queried the Launchpad database for ubuntu bug tasks with the word WORKAROUND in the description and found there are about 700
[18:03] <bdmurray> Our guidelines say to use all caps but I might expand the query to not be case sensitive and also check comments just to see if maybe more are hiding
[18:03]  * charlie-tca made it, too
[18:04] <bdmurray> But regardless we have a starting number so that we can try and get workarounds used more and see what happens
[18:04] <charlie-tca> I think that would be a good idea. Not everybody follows the example so closely.
[18:05] <bdmurray> right and we'd also talked about adding a tag to bugs with workarounds so I could rerun the query and automatically update bugs which are following it closely and produce a list to manually review for the others
[18:06] <bdmurray> [ACTION] bdmurray to query more liberally for workaround usage
[18:06] <MootBot> ACTION received:  bdmurray to query more liberally for workaround usage
[18:06] <bdmurray> next then
[18:06] <bdmurray> [TOPIC] Community Efforts/Testing
[18:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Community Efforts/Testing
[18:07] <bdmurray> jibel: ?
[18:07] <jibel> I'm here
[18:07] <jibel> Last week was alpha1 iso testing.
[18:07] <jibel> You'll find results on the wiki:
[18:07] <jibel> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ReleaseReports/OneiricAlpha1TestReport
[18:08] <jibel> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ReleaseReports/OneiricAlpha1TestReport
[18:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ReleaseReports/OneiricAlpha1TestReport
[18:08] <jibel> The major issues discovered are:
[18:08] <jibel>  * unity-2d crashes which is a problem between gcc 4.6 and qt4-x11 violating strict aliasing rules. doko and didrocks are on it. Fix uploaded 1.5 hour ago.
[18:08] <jibel>  * gnome-user-share crash: need porting to gtk3: Fixed
[18:08] <jibel>  * nautlius background not redrawing: Fixed
[18:09] <jibel>  * missing windows buttons: Fixed
[18:09] <jibel>  * No USB support on beagle/beagleXM
[18:09] <jibel>  * RAID1 Test Failed on server. Need someone to confirm.
[18:09] <jibel>  * Ubiquity on Kubuntu failed
[18:09] <jibel> Very few installer and Unity bugs. But since most of us are testing in VMs unity received little testing compared to unity-2d.
[18:10] <jibel> The laptop tracker for Oneiric is opened.
[18:10] <jibel> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-qa/2011-June/001615.html
[18:10] <jibel> [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-qa/2011-June/001615.html
[18:10] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-qa/2011-June/001615.html
[18:10] <jibel> Time to test alpha 1 on real iron.
[18:10] <jibel> Thanks to primes2h for coordinating this effort.
[18:10] <jibel> Alpha 2 testing will start on July 5th (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule)
[18:10] <jibel> Followed by a week of ATI/nVidia proprietary driver testing
[18:10] <jibel> and 10.04.3 the week after.
[18:11] <jibel> that's all from me
[18:11] <charlie-tca> o/
[18:11] <jibel> any question ?
[18:11] <jibel> charlie-tca, i'm all ears
[18:11] <charlie-tca> general information under community testing.
[18:11] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu seeded lightdm as default on the cd today
[18:11] <charlie-tca> We will be giving a pretty good test
[18:12] <patrickmw> woot!
[18:12] <charlie-tca> ..
[18:13] <bdmurray> thanks jibel
[18:13] <bdmurray> [TOPIC] Automated/Systems Testing
[18:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Automated/Systems Testing
[18:13] <patrickmw> hello
[18:13] <patrickmw> Kernel SRU:
[18:13] <patrickmw> - dbench ready in kernel sru ppa
[18:13] <patrickmw> - ltp in progress
[18:13] <patrickmw> - yet to be completed: tbench, signaltest, tiobench, qrt
[18:13] <patrickmw> - initial process defined for daily sru kernel testing vs release testing
[18:13] <patrickmw> * Started reviewing ubuntu-server-iso-test project to locate
[18:13] <patrickmw>  entry points for implementing kernel sru testing reqs
[18:14] <patrickmw> Package testing:
[18:14] <patrickmw> - collected ~60 packages from engineering teams
[18:14] <patrickmw> - started adding active development branches to daily builds.  premliminary results are showing no successful test executions (for package containing tests).  after digging a bit, some of the 'test' dirs have updated timestamps that several years back.
[18:14] <patrickmw> questions?
[18:15] <bdmurray> thanks patrickmw
[18:15] <bdmurray> [TOPIC] Engineering Team Bug Status
[18:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  Engineering Team Bug Status
[18:16] <bdmurray> pedro_: how are things?
[18:16] <pedro_> hola bdmurray, things are going good here
[18:16] <pedro_> i don't have much to share except for
[18:16] <pedro_> the bug day we're running tomorrow: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20110609
[18:17] <pedro_> Nautilus is our next target and we already have a person smashing bugs like crazy (thanks brendan)
[18:17] <pedro_> so please join us if you wanna learn a bit more about nautilus and how to perform bug triage , as always we'll be at #ubuntu-bugs
[18:17] <bdmurray> wow, that's great!
[18:17] <pedro_> ..
[18:18] <bdmurray> This past week I wrote an update-manager apport hook which has landed in Oneiric
[18:19] <bdmurray> I also got some fixes in apt which will prevent some apport-package bug reports from being filed and add in /var/log/apt/history.log to the apport-package bug reports which will provide some more context for what the user was doing
[18:19] <bdmurray> Depending on how both of those work out in Oneiric I plan on SRU'ing them to previous releases
[18:20] <jibel> bdmurray, yay
[18:20] <charlie-tca> Thank you, that always helps!
[18:20] <pedro_> nice :-)
[18:20] <bdmurray> I've also been working with arsenal to gather bug stats for packages related to foundations-bugs
[18:21] <bdmurray> ..
[18:21] <bdmurray> [TOPIC] Other Topics
[18:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  Other Topics
[18:22] <bdmurray> are there are other topics to discuss today?
[18:23] <bdmurray> okay then on to the last item
[18:24] <bdmurray> [TOPIC] Next Chair
[18:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  Next Chair
[18:25] <bdmurray> patrickmw: perhaps you'd be interested?
[18:25] <patrickmw> some of us will be in London next week and might be available
[18:25] <patrickmw> including me
[18:26] <patrickmw> I will accept the following week :)
[18:26] <bdmurray> pedro_: then maybe you? ;-)
[18:26] <pedro_> sure :-)
[18:26] <patrickmw> thanks, pedro_
[18:26] <pedro_> no problem
[18:27] <bdmurray> pedro_: and let's not let patrickmw off the hook next week!
[18:27] <patrickmw> lol
[18:27] <bdmurray> [ACTION] pedro to chair next meeting on 2011-06-15
[18:27] <MootBot> ACTION received:  pedro to chair next meeting on 2011-06-15
[18:27] <bdmurray> #endmeeting
[18:27] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:27.
[18:27] <bdmurray> Thanks everyone
[18:27] <pedro_> heh
[18:27] <jibel> thanks bdmurray
[18:28] <pedro_> thanks bdmurray
[18:28] <patrickmw> you rock, bdmurray
[18:28] <charlie-tca> thank for chairing, bdmurray
[21:01] <apachelogger> good morning everyone
[21:01] <apachelogger> who's here for the kubuntu meeting?
[21:01] <DarkwingDuck> o/
[21:01] <ulysses> \o
[21:02] <yofel_> o/
[21:02] <fabo> o/
[21:03] <apachelogger> ScottK, neversfelde: council ping :P
[21:03] <ScottK> Hello
[21:03] <neversfelde> Hi
[21:04] <apachelogger> I think we should be starting with the new council, DarkwingDuck is going to join us as a new member and "replacing" (for lack of a better word) rgreening.
[21:05]  * DarkwingDuck waves
[21:05] <apachelogger> I'd like to take the opportunity and thank Rod for his work on the Kubuntu Council over the past 2 years :)
[21:06] <ScottK> +1
[21:06] <neversfelde> +1
[21:06] <ScottK> apachelogger: They are about the same size, so I think replacing is fine.
[21:06] <apachelogger> lol
[21:07] <DarkwingDuck> +1
[21:07] <DarkwingDuck> :P
[21:07] <apachelogger> moving on to memberships... as I cannot get hold of rbelem and c2tarun, perhaps fabo wants to start
[21:07] <fabo> sure
[21:07] <fabo> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FathiBoudra
[21:08] <fabo> https://launchpad.net/~fboudra
[21:09] <fabo> I had previously Kubuntu membership (expired now)
[21:09] <apachelogger> fabo: I suppose it only expired recently?
[21:09] <fabo> mostly active these days on Debian side as Qt/KDE maintainer
[21:10] <fabo> apachelogger: no, it's been since several months
[21:10] <fabo> but I wasn't much active on Ubuntu side
[21:11] <fabo> I'm going back to be active again
[21:11] <fabo> merging and helping on Qt/KDE issues
[21:11]  * ScottK can confirm that.  fabo was active in helping review proposed Qt changes today and recently.
[21:12] <apachelogger> fabo: how do you like the debian <-> kubuntu relationship, anything that could be improved there?
[21:12] <fabo> it's also motivated by the fact that I'm working for Linaro and have interest to make KDE rocks on ARM
[21:12]  * apachelogger likes KDE on ArrM
[21:13] <fabo> apachelogger: we know each other definitely and IMO have a good collaboration
[21:13] <fabo> Debian Qt/KDE team doesn't move from his territory (channel) but the most impportant is here: communication, sharing work
[21:14] <apachelogger> fabo: what do you think sets Kubuntu apart from other KDE software using distributions?
[21:15] <fabo> apachelogger: innovation. Kubuntu takes some risk by sometime changing KDE defaults.
[21:16] <fabo> e.g rekonq
[21:16] <fabo> and other piece of software previously in kubuntu history
[21:17] <DarkwingDuck> fabo: you think that is good or indifferent?
[21:17] <ScottK> Well we're still holding onto userconfig and bambee is going to get it into kdeadmin.
[21:17] <fabo> deb packages too :) .oO(after being MeeGo packager for 1 year)
[21:18] <fabo> DarkwingDuck: it's good but as I said sometime risky (unity?)
[21:19] <DarkwingDuck> :) thankfully unity wasn't a risk *we* took.
[21:19] <fabo> it helps to differentiate from others
[21:19]  * DarkwingDuck nods
[21:21] <apachelogger> any more questions?
[21:22]  * ScottK votes +1.
[21:22] <DarkwingDuck> +1
[21:22] <apachelogger> +1
[21:22] <neversfelde> +1
[21:22] <apachelogger> fabo: congrats, welcome back :)
[21:22] <fabo> thanks for your support!
[21:22] <neversfelde> fabo: wb
[21:23] <DarkwingDuck> welcome back fabo
[21:23] <ScottK> What's next?
[21:24]  * ScottK needs to switch use his phone for a bit.
[21:24] <apachelogger> making every council member an admin of the team as to not depend on JR so much
[21:24] <apachelogger> currently he is the only admin
[21:25] <apachelogger> advantages: other council members can add new members after election, other council members can accept team memberships
[21:25] <apachelogger> I feel latter is a frequent enough use case
[21:25] <apachelogger> thoughts?
[21:26]  * ScottK-droid waves.
[21:26] <apachelogger> ScottK-droid: did you get that last bit?
[21:26] <DarkwingDuck> i think its a good failsafe if anything else
[21:26] <ScottK-droid> Yes. Sounds good.
[21:26] <ulysses> valami bőrfejű
[21:27] <apachelogger> neversfelde: objections?
[21:28] <neversfelde> apachelogger: sounds good
[21:28] <apachelogger> ok, let's get Riddell_ to implement that then :)
[21:28] <DarkwingDuck> +1
[21:28] <apachelogger> staying ont he topic of team memberships: I propose making the kubuntu-members team invite only
[21:29] <apachelogger> currently the membership application process requires one to apply for membership there *and* add oneself to a meeting for membership grilling
[21:30] <apachelogger> while this makes it generally easy to make someone member (as we just need to accept the request on the team) it also enables people to apply without merit
[21:30]  * Quintasan is late
[21:30] <apachelogger> ever so often I clean out such pointless applications to the launchpad team, pointing people to the wiki page that describes the application process
[21:30] <apachelogger> which is quite the waste of time
[21:31] <apachelogger> if we made the team invite only, we could get rid of that while not really loosing anything
[21:31] <ScottK-droid> Ok
[21:32]  * Quintasan is not council but +1
[21:32] <DarkwingDuck> +1
[21:33] <neversfelde> +1
[21:35] <apachelogger> changed
[21:35] <apachelogger> Quintasan: perhaps you want to bring up your neon stuff before we dive into UDS?
[21:36]  * ScottK-droid suggests Rodrigo is probably pulling a Rodrigo and we should make him a member anyway.
[21:36] <DarkwingDuck> +1
[21:36] <apachelogger> +1
[21:36] <apachelogger> then again
[21:36] <apachelogger> ...
[21:36] <apachelogger> no grilling would be a bit unfair to others
[21:37] <maco> pulling a rodrigo?
[21:37] <DarkwingDuck> we know what he has done/is doing consistently
[21:37] <apachelogger> how about we just grill him randomly?
[21:37] <DarkwingDuck> ++
[21:37] <maco> apachelogger: im not sure id call what you lot gave me a "grilling" ... maybe toasting
[21:37] <ScottK-droid> Napping during sessions ..
[21:37] <apachelogger> some sort of applying heat anyway :P
[21:37] <Quintasan> uhhh
[21:38] <Quintasan> okay, so here is a quick idea, can we get Project Neon featured on kubuntu.org in some way?
[21:38] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck, ScottK-droid, neversfelde: lets just try to get a quorum at a time where he is not pulling a rodrigo and vote then
[21:38] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: +1
[21:39] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I can try calling him :P
[21:39] <apachelogger> Quintasan: if you could define the way you imagine it woudl be more discussable
[21:39] <ScottK-droid> Ok
[21:40] <DarkwingDuck> Quintasan: you mean a writeup/news blurb? or, a what is/how to?
[21:40] <Quintasan> DarkwingDuck: yofel is already doing a monthly write up on what have we done in PN
[21:41] <Quintasan> maybe we can somehow pull it into Feature Tour?
[21:41]  * Quintasan thinks it is somehow risky
[21:42] <Quintasan> or under the community tab
[21:42] <ScottK-droid> Not feature tour.
[21:42] <ScottK-droid> Community sounds good.
[21:42]  * apachelogger notes that the new site will have a section for development related stuff, perhaps it might be suitable there
[21:43] <Quintasan> or just stick "Adventurous users might want to try Project Neon to experience the bleeding edge features that KDE has to offer" to the end on new KDE packages announcement
[21:44] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Oh, cool, if we ever get a new site ;)
[21:44] <DarkwingDuck> we will. :) its on my todo from UDS
[21:44] <Quintasan> cool
[21:44] <yofel> yay
[21:44] <apachelogger> I think community should be good for now
[21:44] <neversfelde> Quintasan: what's the advantage featuring neon on kubuntu.org?
[21:44] <ScottK-droid> I like community for now and devel on the new site.
[21:45] <apachelogger> AS LONG AS we make it very clear that it might be breaking stuff
[21:45] <neversfelde> apachelogger: ++1
[21:45] <ScottK-droid> Definitely
[21:45] <Quintasan> neversfelde: We can attract people who want to work on KDE (and Kubuntu therefore)
[21:46] <DarkwingDuck> so, build it into the new site.
[21:46] <neversfelde> our target audience are beginners and every developer should be able to find neon without having it on the website?
[21:47] <ScottK-droid> When we have on.
[21:47] <ScottK-droid> One
[21:47] <apachelogger> neversfelde: that requires the developer to actually think of the possibility of having a thing like neon
[21:47] <Quintasan> I was about to write that
[21:48] <apachelogger> Also, if you look for kubuntu nightly you will find the old neon stuff
[21:48] <claydoh> sorry I'm late
[21:48] <Quintasan> and, we do not have anything else apart from ProjectNeon on w.k.o
[21:48] <neversfelde> apachelogger, Quintasan: it was mentioned at least on prolinux
[21:48] <Quintasan> What is that?
[21:48] <apachelogger> german linux news website
[21:48] <DarkwingDuck> ill do a writeup on it as well
[21:49] <Quintasan> :O
[21:49] <apachelogger> neversfelde: yet that did not help anything recent get on the first page of google search for kubuntu nightly kde
[21:49] <Quintasan> Where, where, I want to see :P
[21:50] <apachelogger> http://www.pro-linux.de/news/1/16807/kde-sc-taeglich-aktuell-mit-projekt-neon.html
[21:50] <claydoh> is it easy to test out individual neon bits while in a normal desktop?
[21:51] <yofel> :O
[21:51] <Quintasan> claydoh: nope, we install everything in /opt and have a separate X session entry
[21:51] <claydoh> i.e kmail2
[21:51] <Quintasan> so we don't break your stable KDE settings
[21:51] <neversfelde> users do not read warnings :) never
[21:52] <claydoh> no, they do not. I sure don't
[21:52] <ScottK> Well, after a certain point that's on them.
[21:52] <Quintasan> claydoh: That's why we separated neon from normal kde install :P
[21:52] <ScottK> I'd say let's wrap this up.
[21:53]  * ScottK says +1 for including and leaving it up to the appropriate web minion to figure out exactly where.
[21:53] <DarkwingDuck> +1
[21:53] <Quintasan> +1
[21:53] <apachelogger> +1 iff implications are made clear
[21:53] <neversfelde> 0
[21:53] <apachelogger> even though users will not read them :P
[21:53] <claydoh> +1 for whatever it is that i missed :)
[21:54] <apachelogger> next up: UDS results, is anyone prepared for that?
[21:54] <DarkwingDuck> good, im glad you volunteered claydoh
[21:54] <apachelogger> cause I fell asleep while working on it on the train home from kde sprint ^^
[21:54] <DarkwingDuck> i *was* then my hdd failed
[21:54] <apachelogger> right, let's make something up then ^^
[21:54] <claydoh> DarkwingDuck: what did i get volunteered for? does it involve cookies?
[21:54] <ScottK> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo
[21:54] <ScottK> It's pretty much all there.
[21:55] <apachelogger> right
[21:55] <DarkwingDuck> claydoh: yup. :P:P
[21:55] <apachelogger> accessibiity IMHO is very doable, very important, very nice and very important, also it is important
[21:55] <claydoh> I can't eat cookies anymore :( or not many
[21:55] <ScottK> So if anyone doesn't like what's there, now is the time to speak up.
[21:55] <DarkwingDuck> cept the wiki/h.k.o stuff. need to put that up there
[21:55] <ScottK> True.
[21:56] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck can fix that later though.
[21:56] <DarkwingDuck> ill get that up when my lappy works
[21:56]  * Quintasan got his share of workload and has no complaints
[21:56] <apachelogger> community is all very awesome and we need to blog, blog and also blog, eventually blogging might also be a good thing
[21:56] <ScottK> apachelogger: Our accessibility dev has been slightly distracted this week with making it so ubiquity-kde can actually install stuff.
[21:57] <Quintasan> apachelogger: tomorrow, I'm having last two tests, so I can do some bloggin about uds and stuff
[21:57] <maco> howdy
[21:57] <claydoh> we need to put topics into a hat, so that everyone can draw one and blog on it
[21:57] <apachelogger> so we should find someone to take care of ubiquity-kde so that our accessibility dev can work on important things :)
[21:57]  * Quintasan hands cookies to maco
[21:57] <apachelogger> Quintasan: uds is yesterday's news unless you have something terribly awesome :P
[21:57] <ScottK> apachelogger: You scared the pythonic people so badly with your bashing they've all gone but maco.
[21:57] <maco> apachelogger: eh im going to be having my hands in ubiquity *anyway* since part of the a11y stuff is making ubiquity setup a11y tools by default if theyre used during install
[21:58] <maco> i cant really make ubiquity install and setup that stuff at the end if i cant get to the end of ubiquity
[21:58] <JontheEchidna> Hey guys, sorry I'm late. Was playing videogames in Windows, so nobody was able to tell me that my in-my-head UTC conversion was off. :(
[21:58] <apachelogger> ScottK: time to port ubiquity to a sane language then :P
[21:58] <Quintasan> apachelogger: yeah, really, I should have written something while I was on a plane :P
[21:58] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: sup, I was late due to that as well :P
[21:58]  * apachelogger files a bug
[21:58] <apachelogger> so
[21:59] <ScottK> apachelogger: python3 port is planned.
[21:59] <apachelogger> council is all green, which is awesome
[21:59] <Quintasan> Oh God.
[21:59] <JontheEchidna> and also I am being told that my sister has a piano recital that I have to go to in a few minutes
[21:59] <apachelogger> Thanks to ScottK for handling the elections so smoothly!
[21:59] <Quintasan> yeah, good job
[21:59] <ScottK> Let's have a quick +1 from the council on specs then.
[21:59] <ScottK> Thanks.
[21:59] <JontheEchidna> +1 on specs, no objections here
[21:59] <apachelogger> +1
[21:59] <DarkwingDuck> +1
[22:00] <ScottK> neversfelde: ?
[22:00] <ScottK> Riddell_: ?
[22:00] <neversfelde> +1
[22:00] <neversfelde> sorry, still working
[22:00] <ScottK> No problem.
[22:00] <apachelogger> jr does not seem to be around
[22:00] <JontheEchidna> 4 is a majority though
[22:00] <ScottK> Nope.  Just thought I'd try again.
[22:00] <ScottK> Yep.
[22:00] <Quintasan> apachelogger: another idea, do we want plasma-active in neon?
[22:00] <apachelogger> Quintasan: lets talk about this later
[22:01] <apachelogger> for now let's move to a related topic
[22:01] <ScottK> Quintasan: I think up to the Neon devs.  Not a matter for Kubuntu meeting.
[22:01] <apachelogger> burndown charts!
[22:01] <ScottK> No
[22:01] <apachelogger> like: http://status.chrisjohnston.org/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-edubuntu.html
[22:01] <apachelogger> I, as chart fanboi, find them awesome
[22:01] <ScottK> Pointless bureacracy that don't measure anything useful.
[22:02] <apachelogger> ScottK: bureacracy?
[22:02] <ScottK> paperwork
[22:02] <Quintasan> PROTIP: We would have someone actually make that work
[22:02] <apachelogger> ScottK: as far as I know the only thing we'd have to change is use the spec whiteboards for TODO tracking
[22:02] <apachelogger> rather than the wiki page
[22:02] <JontheEchidna> As long as it's just generating graph porn, then I am ok with that
[22:03] <apachelogger> which quite frankly might not be a bad idea, as the todo is getting longer and longer and longer every time
[22:03] <apachelogger> combined with the crappyness of the wiki it makes editing that page a bit of an adventure IMO
[22:03]  * Quintasan wonders how are those graphs actually beneficial
[22:03]  * ScottK needs to go.
[22:03] <DarkwingDuck> im +1 using spec whitboards vice wiki todo
[22:04] <DarkwingDuck> then again, im a fanboi like apachelogger
[22:04] <Quintasan> Hmmm, true, while they may have no benefits at all they would be faster than w.k.o for sure
[22:04] <Quintasan> Gotta love 500 erros on wiki
[22:04] <DarkwingDuck> uggh
[22:05] <DarkwingDuck> plus moin moin == -1
[22:05]  * apachelogger notes that there is implicit advantage from them charts, which is you can point people there and go "uhhh, we are so awesome and efficient and get work done so quickly"
[22:05] <JontheEchidna> If somebody is willing to make pretty graphs and policy will not be driven by them, I'd say go ahead
[22:05] <Quintasan> or people can go there and go "wtf, those derps at #kubuntu-devel are doing nothing"
[22:05] <DarkwingDuck> tracking progress, tasks, its so much more efficent
[22:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I reckon there is a script for the graph creation
[22:06] <Quintasan> if the work is not progressing as smoothly as expected
[22:06] <apachelogger> also it ought to be possible to do it by parsing the wiki page: BUT the slowness of the wiki gets in the way there too
[22:06] <maco> Quintasan: or "woah, they're getting behind, i'd better be helpful!"  (...probably not)
[22:06] <apachelogger> ^^
[22:06]  * Quintasan thinks that never happens
[22:07] <Quintasan> and unfortunately never will
[22:07] <maco> yes, graph creation from wiki page TODOs is automated
[22:07] <maco> no no bad brain
[22:07] <DarkwingDuck> or, "how does a dozen people produce such quality work?"
[22:07] <maco> from *launchpad* is automated
[22:07]  * Quintasan is opposed to using wiki to generate this stuff
[22:07] <Quintasan> If we want it to show something at all then no wiki :P
[22:08] <apachelogger> is anyone strongly opposing the idea of using the lp spec whiteboards for todo tracking rather than the monolithic wiki page?
[22:09] <JontheEchidna> I sometimes browse the monolith looking for things to do
[22:09] <JontheEchidna> I would not like to see that go away
[22:09]  * maco is asking jono/jcastro how to make burndown charts from blueprints
[22:09] <Quintasan> not really, I don't care how the work list is stored as long as we get stuff done
[22:09]  * Quintasan could even use Etherpad if we really had to
[22:09] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[22:09] <Quintasan> s/we/he
[22:09] <apachelogger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WorkItemsHowto#Generator scripts
[22:09] <JontheEchidna> I would be willing to maintain the monolithic wiki todo if nobody wants to
[22:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: better idea
[22:10] <apachelogger> ....
[22:10] <apachelogger> since we can probably access the whiteboards using lp api
[22:10] <maco> if you look at http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-community.html you'll see that it does list what specs need work
[22:10] <apachelogger> we could just have a cron job run a script that gets the data and puts it in a monolithic html page
[22:11] <apachelogger> oh
[22:11] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: perhaps html-report mentioned on the link I pasted is doing just that
[22:11] <apachelogger> "html-report generates a HTML report with a by-blueprint, by-assignee, and by-workitem list."
[22:11] <JontheEchidna> cool
[22:11] <Quintasan> brb
[22:11] <DarkwingDuck> i like that better then the wiki
[22:12] <apachelogger> +1
[22:12] <DarkwingDuck> +1
[22:12] <JontheEchidna> shiny
[22:13] <apachelogger> neversfelde opinions on this?
[22:14] <apachelogger> one question that remains: do we want to switch now (as in for oneiric already) or for oneiric+1
[22:15] <JontheEchidna> if somebody wanted to, they could use this cycle as a test, and have the new stuff concurrent with the current stuff, then switch in +1
[22:15] <JontheEchidna> imo
[22:15] <DarkwingDuck> +1
[22:15] <Quintasan> rbelem: \o/
[22:15] <DarkwingDuck> rbelem: welcome
[22:15] <rbelem> :-D
[22:15] <apachelogger> sounds good to me, let's do that, given I find someone to do the sync ^^
[22:15] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[22:16] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Grill a Rodrigo
[22:16] <rbelem> hahah :-D
[22:16] <neversfelde> apachelogger: no :) because I could not dollow the discussion in the last minutes
[22:16] <apachelogger> now that rbelem is here, let's continue with his membership app before he falls asleep :P
[22:16] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[22:16] <apachelogger> neversfelde: you'll like it :P
[22:16] <DarkwingDuck> i think we lost ScottK though
[22:16] <rbelem> sorry for being so late
[22:16] <rbelem> :-(
[22:17] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: I might be mistaken but for membership we only need 3 acks
[22:17] <neversfelde> apachelogger: kk
[22:17] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: well, scott already voted
[22:17] <apachelogger> ah, true
[22:17] <apachelogger> + JontheEchidna is still here :P
[22:17] <apachelogger> so
[22:17] <apachelogger> ...
[22:17] <apachelogger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RodrigoBelem https://launchpad.net/~rbelem
[22:17] <DarkwingDuck> lets do it!
[22:17] <apachelogger> rbelem: can you tell us a bit about yourself and your work on kubuntu
[22:18] <rbelem> oki
[22:18] <rbelem> I'm founding member of ubuntu brasil
[22:19] <rbelem> i done lot's of loco team stuff in the begining
[22:19] <rbelem> *did
[22:20] <JontheEchidna> gotta go, but +1 pre-emptively
[22:20] <rbelem> two years ago i started writing the ubuntu mobile book
[22:20]  * ScottK-droid is +1 on rbelem
[22:21] <rbelem> and end up here :-D
[22:21] <DarkwingDuck> rbelem: still working on kubuntu-mobile?
[22:21] <rbelem> DarkwingDuck, yup
[22:22] <apachelogger> rbelem: what are you future plans for kubuntu?
[22:22] <rbelem> my main goal is to have kubuntu running on mobile phones and tablets
[22:23] <rbelem> and contribute to kde as an ubuntu member
[22:23] <apachelogger> are we going to achieve world domination with it?
[22:24] <apachelogger> mobile and tablet stuff that is
[22:24] <rbelem> yup :-D
[22:24] <apachelogger> awesome :D
[22:24] <DarkwingDuck> rbelem: do you have it running on yourmilestone yet?
[22:24] <DarkwingDuck> *your milestone
[22:24] <rbelem> and i want to write a second edition of the book
[22:24] <neversfelde> +1 on rbelem
[22:24] <neversfelde> sorry, have to leave
[22:24] <apachelogger> rbelem: what qualifies you best for becoming a kubuntu member?
[22:25] <rbelem> the work i've been doing with filesharing
[22:25] <Quintasan> Yeah, thumbs up for that
[22:25] <rbelem> and now the first stable release that we will do
[22:25]  * Quintasan hands rbelem cookies
[22:25] <rbelem> :-D
[22:25] <DarkwingDuck> I'm +1
[22:26] <apachelogger> you have been around for ages it seems, my final question is: what took you so long to consider membership? :P
[22:26] <Riddell_> good evening
[22:26] <DarkwingDuck> Hey JR
[22:26] <Quintasan> \o
[22:26] <rbelem> apachelogger, i already was a member some time ago
[22:27] <apachelogger> rbelem: so you expired?
[22:27] <rbelem> apachelogger, nope, i had i fight with another brazilian ubuntu member
[22:27] <rbelem> he said that i was doing nothing
[22:28] <rbelem> so i decided that i would apply again when i have some relevant contributions
[22:28] <apachelogger> I see
[22:28] <apachelogger> well
[22:29]  * Quintasan thinks filesharing is relevant enough
[22:29] <DarkwingDuck> and the work on Mobile
[22:29] <apachelogger> I for one do not only believe that there are plenty of contributions but they are also incredibly awesome and important and relevant \o/
[22:29] <apachelogger> +1 for being awesome
[22:29] <rbelem> :-D
[22:29] <DarkwingDuck> +1 for membership
[22:29] <Quintasan> rbelem: Looks like you're in :P
[22:29] <DarkwingDuck> :)
[22:29] <apachelogger> Riddell_: you might want to throw in a +1 at this point
[22:29] <Quintasan> +1 from ScottK and JontheEchidna as well
[22:30] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[22:30] <Riddell_> rbelem for membership?
[22:30] <Riddell_> +1 from me
[22:30] <apachelogger> yes
[22:30] <Quintasan> :D
[22:30] <apachelogger> 6/6 votes in favor of membership :D
[22:30] <neversfelde> +1
[22:30] <apachelogger> rbelem: welcome
[22:30] <DarkwingDuck> There we go.
[22:30] <DarkwingDuck> Welcome rbelem
[22:30] <neversfelde> welcome rbelem
[22:30] <rbelem> thank you very much guys
[22:30] <rbelem> :-D
[22:30]  * Quintasan throws confetti at rbelem
[22:31] <rbelem> that's really important to me :-)
[22:31] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: I have to run... Don't forget about tasking Riddell_ with the LP Stuff. :P:P
[22:31] <ScottK-droid> Are we done?
[22:31] <apachelogger> yes, I am too tired to do UDS-post discussion stuff, we can do that on the ML
[22:31] <apachelogger> thank you everyone for attending!
[22:31] <rbelem> :-D
[22:31] <apachelogger> Riddell_: please make every kubuntu council member an admin of kubuntu council as per voting earlier
[22:32] <Riddell_> ok
[22:32] <apachelogger> Riddell_: no rush though, whenever you find the time :)
[22:32]  * Quintasan goes back to books
[23:38] <valorie> eek, did I miss the meeting?
[23:38] <valorie> damn it
[23:38] <valorie> ah, my phone is dead, thus no alarm for it


[18:27] <tormod> hi, are fs hangs on last weeks live cd a well known issue?
[18:28] <tormod> or is it only me? I filed bug 248164
[23:11] <tormod> scratch what I said earlier today about hangs, today's live cd works fine.


[06:42] <saschab> hello :-)
 Hi. My lubuntu 18.04 is having kernel panic. Recovery mode is also ib kernel panic. I booted from live cd. Now I couldn't find initramfs in live cd to replace in main os (corrupted one)
 To my surprise, Initramfs is not present in corrupted os.
 I am using dracut now to generate some kind of file(s) to cure my main os.
 Please help.  Make a backup of your important data and install 20.04 or 21.04 from scratch.
[08:41] <guiverc> Lubuntu 18.04 LTS reached the end of it's 3 years of support end of April 2021.  We no longer provide support for it.  https://lubuntu.me/bionic-eol/
 Okay
[08:44] <guiverc> If you're using x86/32-bit (i386) you can try Ubuntu Forums, Ask Ubuntu & other support options (you risk being reminded Lubuntu is EOL as all flavors are; 5 years is main Ubuntu only). If using amd64/64-bit you should install Lubuntu 20.04 LTS or alter which is supported (upgrades are not support though; it's a new desktop)
 As this is an official support group, I won't talk here much but it is kind of obvious that I don't want to lose my files and config. But thank you for your response.
[08:48] <guiverc> from live media you should be able to backup your files first.
[08:49] <TJ-> jafarabbas33 you can use the liveISO in "Try" mode to then mount the broken install in a chroot, and repair it
 I don't know much about chroot. I immediately looked up about chroot but couldn't understand how to use it for repairing my corrupted os. Fsck is saying my partition is in good shape just after  about 1 sec of typing the command so I don't think it is even scanning the partition.
[10:01] <antonny3456> Privet est kto govorit na Russcom Yazeke
 есть ссылка на группу на русском на lubuntu.me/links
 What is the difference between lubuntu.net and lubuntu.me?  The first 64 bit download link on lubuntu.net is not working.
 the official webpage is lubuntu.me, lubuntu.net is not maintained or developed by lubuntu (re @jafarabbas33: What is the difference between lubuntu.net and lubuntu.me?  The first 64 bit download link on lubuntu.net is not working.)
 Oh okay👍
[11:10] <amanv> hi
 Hi
 Lubuntu 20.04 Why is it saying failed to add partition? : https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/a8d7abe2/file_3227.jpg
 You have encountered this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calamares/+bug/1864787
 There is a workaround noted in the release notes. https://lubuntu.me/focal-3-released/
 Okay will try that thanks
[19:38] <antonny3456> Привет всем