[01:06] <KurtKraut> I'd like to install Gutsy in another partition. How can I do that withou loosing the current GRUB config, in order to boot Vista or Feisty ?
[01:13] <tormod> KurtKraut: install the Gutsy grub to the gutsy partition, and not to MBR. Then chainload this one from the old grub (on MBR).
[01:13] <KurtKraut> tormod, this is possible to do with the Alternate Install CD ?
[01:14] <tormod> KurtKraut: I would think so. You can do it with the Desktop installer at least.
[04:14] <invisiblepinkuni> what will the "FREE" version of ubuntu (gnewsense) be called? and where can I find more information about it?
[04:27] <micahcowan> Anyone know how to get the last Gutsy tribe to run under qemu?
[04:29] <micahcowan> Nice nick, \x6e\x65\x72\x64 ...and self-proving, too! :)
[04:35] <xsacha> hey.. when i first started gutsy, i started up amarok and played some mp3s -- it worked straight away without installing anything extra? now, 2 days later it suddenly wont play mp3s anymore. so i decided to install w32codecs. it still doesnt play mp3s
[04:36] <crdlb> xsacha, you need libmad something
[04:36] <xsacha> xmms-mad?
[04:37] <crdlb> libmad0 and you would need xmms-mad to make xmms play mp3s
[04:37] <crdlb> and there's a gstreamer plugin
[04:38] <crdlb> if you're using xine, you should have libxine-extracodecs installed
[04:38] <xsacha> yeah got that installed (and amarok does use xine, yes)
[04:38] <invisiblepinkuni> micahcowan: lol, great nick :) \x6e\x65\x72\x64
[04:39] <invisiblepinkuni> i had to go to the ascii table to find out
[04:39] <micahcowan> Strangely enough, I've recently spent some time memorizing the ASCII code table :)
[04:39] <xsacha> crdlb: any ideas?
[04:40] <invisiblepinkuni> i remember memorizing A,Z, a, z, 0, 9 a long time ago...
[04:41] <micahcowan> Yeah, for alphabetic chars I mostly just know where the boundaries are; A, O, P, Z...
[04:44] <xsacha> grr mp3 not working is known bug for gutsy?
[04:47] <micahcowan> invisiblepinkuni: \x1b\x5b\x33\x34\x3b\x31\x6d\x4d\x69\x63\x61\x68\x1b\x5b\x6d :)
[04:47] <micahcowan> Try that as an argument to printf.
[04:50] <invisiblepinkuni> micahcowan: how do I do it? :(
[04:52] <micahcowan> Just use the printf(1) command: "printf '\x1b\x5b...'"... you should probably tack on \x0a at the end of it, too :)
[04:54] <invisiblepinkuni> micahcowan: you narcissist
[04:54] <invisiblepinkuni> :)
[04:54] <micahcowan> :)
[04:56] <xsacha>  Micah
[04:58] <micahcowan> xsacha, yeah... should also be blue, in ansi-color-capable terminals.
[04:58] <xsacha> yep
[05:00] <xsacha> printf '\x1b\x5b\x33\6d^Mx3\x1b\x5b\x33\x34\x3b\x31\x6d\x4d\x69\x63\x61\x68\x1b\x5b\x6d\x0a'
[05:01] <xsacha> ooops, here:       printf '\x1b\x5b\x33\6d\x1b\x5b\x33\x34\x3b\x31\x6d\x4d\x69\x63\x61\x68\x1b\x5b\x6d\x0a'
[05:02] <xsacha> it should move up 2 lines and then print line below that
[05:04] <micahcowan> There was an x missing in \6d, near the beginning.
[05:04] <xsacha> yeah, dont put it there
[05:04] <micahcowan> Well, if I don't, it says " [3 dMicah"
[05:05] <xsacha> the \6d is what makes it jump to top
[05:05] <micahcowan> Sure you don't want \x6d?
[05:05] <xsacha> 100%
[05:05] <xsacha> and use the second one, not the first one, to get rid of [3
[05:05] <micahcowan> \6 isn't a useful control character...
[05:05] <xsacha> sure it is
[05:05] <micahcowan> No, the second one produces the [3.
[05:06] <micahcowan> \6 = \x06
[05:06] <xsacha> not here
[05:07] <xsacha> if it makes you happy:       printf '\x1b\x5b\x33d\x1b\x5b\x33\x34\x3b\x31\x6d\x4d\x69\x63\x61\x68\x1b\x5b\x6d\x0a'
[05:07] <micahcowan> \6 is the ACK control.
[05:08] <micahcowan> That works much better.
[05:08] <xsacha> both work on konsole
[05:08] <xsacha> i like this one better:        printf '\x1b\x5bd\x1b\x5b\x33\x34\x3b\x31\x6d\x4d\x69\x63\x61\x68\x1b\x5b\x6d\x0a
[05:08] <xsacha> (note the ' at end)
[05:08] <micahcowan> well, at any rate, it's not ISO 6429
[05:09] <xsacha> it changed my sacha@coco:~$ to Micah@coco:~$      with Micah in blue
[05:11] <xsacha> http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/7639/hmm3lp9.png
[05:11] <xsacha> lol
[05:14] <Jordan_U> ubuntu-desktop got removed during my last dist-upgrade and I still can't install it because I can't install xsane or gimp-print, is this a known problem?
[05:14] <xsacha> kubuntu-desktop got removed when i installed mythtv :P
[05:15] <Jordan_U> No, I have pretty much nothing extra installed, I am just running gutsy in a VM to help with testing and out of curiosity
[05:21] <xsacha> ok my mp3 works perfect. but when i try to play a last.fm stream in amarok it says it cant play it coz it doesnt have the right input plugin or something, cant recognise the format
[05:26] <xsacha> ok error seemed to change now for no apparent reason and it's now: Audio output unavailable; the device is busy.       xine parameters:
[05:35] <xsacha> fixed it!!
[05:35] <xsacha> i just got rid of artsd
[06:47] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/121833
[06:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when at idle or on battery." [Undecided,New]
[07:06] <shirish> ubotu paste
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[07:25] <Jordan_U> Is xsane not completely merged or is the fact that it depends on an older version of libgimp2.0 a bug?
[07:33] <crimsun> that's bug 121840
[07:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121840 in xsane "xsane needs rebuild for newer libgimp2.0" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121840
[07:34] <crimsun> I'm working on it now; just be patient.
[07:34] <crimsun> Canonical staff generally are not paid to work on Ubuntu during the weekends.
[07:34] <crimsun> (although I'm not staff, so it doesn't apply to me)
[07:41] <Jordan_U> crimsun, Thank you
[07:44] <Takesinn> So whats new in the Gutsy Gibbon?
[07:45] <DanaG> new kernel (dynticks), new gnome-power-manager, broken suspend2ram (for me), new Gnome, and lots of other new versions of things.
[07:46] <Jordan_U> Takesinn, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-June/000304.html
[07:48] <Takesinn> Any idea when it's going to be released?
[07:48] <Jordan_U> Takesinn, 7.10 :)
[07:48] <RAOF> October
[07:48] <Takesinn> Ah
[07:49] <Takesinn> Cool
[07:49] <Takesinn> So improved performance and graphics, not bad
[07:49] <RAOF> Compiz+fusion plugins by default.
[07:49] <Jordan_U> Takesinn, My favorite feature is the new Xorg improvements upstream
[07:50] <Jordan_U> ^^ and Compiz Fusion of course :)
[07:50] <Takesinn> Care to elaborate on what good it does? :)
[07:50] <Takesinn> I get the Compiz stuff, looks nice
[07:50] <RAOF> Compiz fuzion?  A bunch of really nice looking plugins.
[07:51] <Jordan_U> Takesinn, Compiz Fusion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Fbk52Mk1w
[07:51] <RAOF> Also, scale enhancements.
[07:51] <Takesinn> I got ATi, so not sure if I can use it
[07:51] <Jordan_U> Takesinn, If you require fglrx you are out of luck ( without the hack that is XGL at least )
[07:52] <Takesinn> I had to disable composite in xorg.conf to get proper 3D accel
[07:52] <Takesinn> Exactly ;)
[07:52] <Takesinn> I should get a new 3D card probably
[07:52] <Jordan_U> Takesinn, Is your card supported by the open source drivers?
[07:52] <Takesinn> So does Ubuntu have it's own gaming section?
[07:52] <Jordan_U> Takesinn, What do you mean?
[07:53] <Takesinn> I have no idea. All I know is I installed some ati drivers by reading ubuntu guide, which got Action Cube running nicely
[07:53] <Takesinn> NVM ^^
[07:54] <Jordan_U> Takesinn, Does your comp by chance also have an intel integrated card?
[07:54] <Takesinn> How do i find out? :P I forgot those dang commands
[07:54] <Takesinn> I got grep down tho
[07:55] <Jordan_U> Takesinn, lspci
[07:55] <Takesinn> Scuse ^^;; Long time since I *nixed
[07:55] <Takesinn> It's like riding a bike tho, you just gotta get into it again
[07:56] <Takesinn> Jordan_U: Jepp, Intel
[07:56] <Jordan_U> Takesinn, And you are sure that is a gfx card and not a network card?
[07:58] <Takesinn> Wait, you mean intel graphics?
[07:58] <DanaG> If you have an AGP add-in video card, it will disable any integrated AGP card.
[07:58] <Takesinn> Naw, it's some cheap ATi knockoff
[07:58] <Takesinn> Radeon x600
[08:01] <PirateHead> It's really great that Ubuntu can import settings and data from a Windows installation during an Ubuntu install. However, I'd like to see that feature implemented with respect to other Linux installs. If I install Ubuntu Gutsy over my old SUSE or Mandriva installation, surely Ubuntu could extract my data from those?
[08:03] <Jordan_U> PirateHead, Yeah, it should, until it does though you can just keep your /home on a separate partition
[08:04] <PirateHead> Jordan_U: is there somebody I can bug to get information on implementing that functionality?
[08:07] <crimsun> Jordan_U: I need you to test a deb for me, please, if you have time.
[08:07] <Jordan_U> crimsun, I do, and I will :)
[08:07] <Jordan_U> PirateHead, I think there is already a bug report about it, if not create one
[08:08] <PirateHead> crimsun: I downloaded the latest kernel binary about a week ago and my sound was fixed. Thanks for helping clear that stuff up. :-)
[08:08] <crimsun> Jordan_U: please try the two debs at www.trilug.org/~crimsun/xsane-gutsy/
[08:09] <Takesinn> I share your pain
[08:09] <Jordan_U_gutsy> Could you post the link again so I can get it easier from My Gutsy vmware image :)
[08:10] <crimsun> Jordan_U_gutsy: www.trilug.org/~crimsun/xsane-gutsy/
[08:12] <Jordan_U_gutsy> http://www.trilug.org/~crimsun/xsane-gutsy/xsane-common_0.99+0.991-3ubuntu2_all.deb ?
[08:13] <crimsun> and xsane.
[08:14] <crimsun> xsane_0.99+0.991-3ubuntu2_i386.deb            100%  280KB 280.5KB/s   00:01
[08:14] <crimsun> xsane-common_0.99+0.991-3ubuntu2_all.deb      100% 1526KB   1.5MB/s   00:01
[08:14] <crimsun> those two.
[08:14] <Jordan_U_gutsy> Why 2 ?
[08:14] <crimsun> this is, of course, on i386/gutsy.  Obviously a no-go on ppc, sparc, amd64, ia64.
[08:15] <crimsun> because you need them both.
[08:16] <Jordan_U_gutsy> OK, both installed correctly, should I now try to install ubuntu-desktop?
[08:17] <crimsun> sure
[08:17] <crimsun> I want you specifically to use xsane in your VM
[08:17] <crimsun> I'm not going to upload an untested source package change
[08:19] <jussi01> crimsun: if you have a min there is a lad in #ubuntuforums who has a weird soundcard issue. perhaps you could help if you have time?
[08:21] <crimsun> with a stable release or a devel release?
[08:22] <crimsun> there are appropriate channels for both; ask him to ping me in one of them
[08:22] <Jordan_U_gutsy> crimsun: Sorry for my ignorance of vmware but how do I allow it access to usb devices?
[08:22] <crimsun> Jordan_U_gutsy: it's in one of the top menus
[08:22] <crimsun> VM menu, I think?
[08:22] <crimsun> I haven't used VMware in a very long time
[08:23] <Jordan_U_gutsy> In VM -> Removable Devices -> USB I see nothing available
[08:24] <crimsun> windows host?
[08:24] <crimsun> did you safely remove it from the host or whatever?
[08:24] <Jordan_U_gutsy> No, Feisty Host
[08:25] <crimsun> well, does feisty recognise it?
[08:25] <Jordan_U_gutsy> Yes.
[08:26] <Jordan_U_gutsy> I have scanned from it before
[08:28] <crimsun> so does your vmware image recognise it?
[08:30] <Jordan_U_gutsy> No
[08:30] <crimsun> I mean from dmesg or lshal
[08:31] <Jordan_U_gutsy> No
[08:32] <crimsun> then that's a kernel issue
[08:32] <crimsun> try a gutsy chroot instead of a VMware image
[08:33] <Jordan_U_gutsy> Ok, I don't have one currently set up
[08:35] <DanaG> I have Gutsy native, but I don't have a scanner.
[08:35] <DanaG> Tomorrow I can try a camera, or something.
[08:39] <DanaG> Wow, that blinking brightness-changing is annoyinh.
[08:41] <DanaG> Good night (or morning or any other time of day, depending on your time zones).
[08:53] <Jordan_U> crimsun, Xane detected the scanner, scanning now...
[08:54] <Jordan_U> " Failed to start scanner: Error during device IO "
[08:54] <crimsun> is that in the VMware image or in a true gutsy install?
[08:54] <Jordan_U> VMware image, the scan worked the second time though
[08:55] <crimsun> ok, so xsane's not the culprit.
[08:55] <crimsun> thanks, uploaded.
[08:55] <crimsun> fixed debs will be available in 3 hours.
[08:56] <Jordan_U> crimsun, Thank you, I am always willing to test, and I am grateful for your work :)
[08:56] <crimsun> np, thank -you- for testing.
[10:31] <lucasvo> my nm-applet segfaults when I try to connect to a network
[10:31] <lucasvo> what should I attach to a bugreport?
[10:31] <RAOF> The crash log, if possible.  It should be in /var/crash
[10:32] <lucasvo> I only have a networkmanager crashlog
[10:33] <RAOF> Hm.
[10:33] <lucasvo> no I found it
[10:33] <lucasvo> it get's cleaned up after reboot
[10:33] <lucasvo> RAOF: I'll write a bugreport
[10:33] <RAOF> You could always run it under gdb to get a really serious backtrace.
[10:33] <RAOF> Yay!
[10:36] <lucasvo> RAOF: Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
[10:36] <lucasvo> [Switching to Thread -1225925952 (LWP 6696)]
[10:36] <lucasvo> 0x0805f94c in ?? ()
[10:36] <RAOF> Oh, this is in gdb?
[10:36] <lucasvo> RAOF: yes
[10:36] <RAOF> lucasvo: Allow me to grab a link to a "getting a good backtrace" howto
[10:37] <lucasvo> RAOF: ok
[10:37] <RAOF> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[10:41] <lucasvo> RAOF: are the debugsymbols in the networkmanager package?
[10:42] <RAOF> Yes, there are.
[10:42] <RAOF> You need to add the ddebs repository, and you'll get -dbgsym packages for every Ubuntu package.
[10:43] <RAOF> lucasvo: Oh, now that I've parsed your question correctly: No, you'll need to get the appropriate -dbgsym package :)
[10:43] <Hobbsee> RAOF: is that repo added by default?
[10:43] <RAOF> Hobbsee: No, it isn't.  Either the link to it is on the page I've already given him, or I'll need to hunt it down.
[10:44] <lucasvo> RAOF: I selected the wrong repository. it's n network-manager-gnome-dbgsym
[10:45] <Hobbsee> RAOF: i wonder if it should be.
[10:45] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Maybe, but it'd need to be substantially more official than someone's people. page :)
[10:46] <lucasvo> 0x0805f94c in nmi_dbus_get_network_key_callback (result=GNOME_KEYRING_RESULT_OK, found_list=0x0, data=0x82db868) at applet-dbus-info.c:117
[10:46] <Hobbsee> RAOF: they're canonical employees.  and it could probably be mirrored somewhere.
[10:46] <lucasvo> 117     applet-dbus-info.c: No such file or directory.
[10:46] <RAOF> lucasvo: I'm not sure from your last statement whether or not you're asking for any help or not :/
[10:47] <lucasvo> RAOF: well, I was looking through various bugreports about crashes and I don't really know if mine is a duplicate. should I just report a new one?
[10:47] <RAOF> lucasvo: Probably, yes.  Unless your backtrace matches something else you've already seen.
[10:50] <lucasvo> crap. my firefox just crashed while I tried to report the bug.
[10:50] <lucasvo> are there any issues with FF on gutsy?
[10:50] <RAOF> Not that I've noticed recently
[10:50] <lucasvo> :/
[10:51] <Hobbsee> lucasvo: does it happen repeatedly?
[10:51] <lucasvo> Hobbsee: yes. It happened when I tried to comment on a post yesterday
[10:52] <Hobbsee> lucasvo: what about on a new profile?
[10:52] <Hobbsee> jussi01: wait a few days, please.
[10:52] <Hobbsee> jussi01: people to test images are needed.
[10:52] <jussi01> Hobbsee: why?
[10:52] <jussi01> oh. ok
[10:52] <Hobbsee> jussi01: tribe 2.
[10:52] <Hobbsee> jussi01: and currently, adept is broken.
[10:53] <jussi01> its on the second partition so i can install as many times as i feel like... :d
[10:53] <Hobbsee> :)
[11:10] <lucasvo> Hobbsee: by new profile you mean: rm ~/.mozilla?
[11:10] <lucasvo> it crashed again
[11:10] <Hobbsee> lucasvo: yeah.  i'd move, not remove, though
[11:10] <lucasvo> Hobbsee: I did
[11:10] <Hobbsee> right. then go ahead and file, and say that you tried a new profile, adn that it's reproducable
[11:10] <Hobbsee> (if you hadnt done so here, they would have just asked you to do it, from the bug report, regardless)
[11:13] <lucasvo> Hobbsee: ok, will do
[01:18] <ajmorris_> anyone got the latest 'partial upgrades' installed? i get an ubuntu-desktop error
[01:20] <Hobbsee> ajmorris_: it's probably not installable
[01:21] <Hobbsee> ajmorris_: which tends to be normal for a development release
[01:28] <gnomefreak> its not libgimp is stopping it
[01:29] <ajmorris_> ah, so that is why libgimp won't update
[01:30] <gnomefreak> yep
[01:30] <gnomefreak> that needs to be upgraded before anything else can be installed
[01:30] <ajmorris_> ah IC
[01:30] <gnomefreak> once updated anything that depends on it needs to be respun
[01:30] <ajmorris_> thanks gnomefreak
[01:30] <gnomefreak> yw
[01:31] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: sometimes.
[01:31] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: depends what it is :)

[01:31] <gnomefreak> ubuntu-desktop gimp and xsane will need to be
[01:32] <Hobbsee> gimp will be in the same source package as libgimp, i expect
[01:32] <gnomefreak> hmmmm xsane common is updating
[01:32] <gnomefreak> xsane-common
[01:32] <gnomefreak> that might be good news
[01:33] <Hobbsee> only gimp will.  u-d wont, didnt check xsane
[01:33] <gnomefreak> xsane is installibel now
[01:33] <gnomefreak> installable
[01:34] <gnomefreak> its all fixed
[01:34] <gnomefreak> u-d now installs as well
[01:34] <Hobbsee> woo :)
[01:34] <Hobbsee> yay!
[01:34] <Hobbsee> i doubt k-d does, i should check.
[01:35] <gnomefreak> yes it does
[01:35] <gnomefreak> adept debtags and freinds were fixed :)
[01:35] <Hobbsee> adept is broken.
[01:35] <Hobbsee> it builds, sure.
[01:36] <gnomefreak> well yeah IMO its always broken its just its nature
[11:11] <DanaG> idle timeout....*blink*blink*
[11:11] <coNP> hey DanaG
[11:11] <DanaG> goes 100<off>75<off>50
[11:11] <DanaG> Yeah?
[11:11] <coNP> I was only seeing idle timeout
[11:13] <DanaG> What I was referring to:
[11:13] <DanaG> https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[11:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when at idle or on battery." [Undecided,New]
[11:32] <coNP> oh I thought you mean this list
[11:32] <coNP> s/list/channel/
[11:39] <DanaG> Argh, my screen keeps blinking randomly -- and it's not that bug.  Grr, stupid NVIDIA.
[11:39] <DanaG> *blink*
[11:40] <DanaG> *blink*
[11:40] <DanaG> *blink*
[11:41] <DanaG> argh, logout does not log out.
[11:41] <DanaG> It just locks up the panel.
[11:41] <DanaG> And keyboard input to everything but Pidgin.
[11:42] <DanaG> Argh.
[11:47] <DanaG> What happened to the "Autorun Script" option in Amarok?
[11:48] <DanaG> Argh, multimedia keys don't run unless I manually run the "Gnome multimedia keys" script.
[11:48] <DanaG> s/run/work/


[00:37] <scientes_> do you really keep a long lint of BSD copyright licences for each person that translated a single line that ever went into a software package installed on your system?
[00:38] <scientes_> i guess with compression that isnt as bag but still---where is this file/files?
[00:56] <CarlFK> beuno: if the project hasn't... whats the long form?
[00:58] <wgrant> CarlFK: lp:~userorteam/project/branch
[00:59] <wgrant> On the page it says: "Get this branch:   bzr branch lp:~mdipierro/web2conf/devel"
[01:24] <CarlFK> wgrant: what page?  (i just searched for "branch" and "bzr' on a few pages
[01:27] <wgrant> CarlFK: The branch page. The one you linked to. https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mdipierro/web2conf/devel
[01:39] <CarlFK> oh that page :)
[09:57] <gnomefreak> on the advanced bug search from your LP page, is there a reeason why series-specific, Target milestone not a drop down or something?
[10:42] <PabeLS_> hi there, any kind soul to review the vcs-imports and the .pot file of the wader project? thanks :)
[13:29] <NCommander> Is Launchpad able to handle Qt translation files in addition to gettext?
[13:30] <kiko-afk> danilos, will know the answer to that, I think the answer is kinda
[13:31] <danilos> NCommander: you'd have to use KDE tools to convert files to PO first (i.e. they already do it for QT itself)
[13:31] <danilos> NCommander: Launchpad doesn't support them natively
[13:31] <NCommander> Ugh ....
[13:32]  * NCommander would think there would be a bug about that ...
[13:34] <danilos> NCommander: there is, it's not something we are planning on working on in the near future (existing tools should be sufficient, imo)
[13:34] <NCommander> I'll have to poke my KDE developer friend to explain how to do that magic
[13:35] <danilos> NCommander: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/68959
[13:35] <danilos> NCommander: translate-toolkit should also contain ts2po
[13:36] <NCommander> That doesn't solve anything, since that means for translations to be used, then I need to retrieve them from Launchpad, and then convert them back
[13:36] <NCommander> Kinda defeats the point of Rosetta, no?
[13:53] <Odd_Bloke> NCommander: Isn't the point of Rosetta to allow translators to translate easily?  So the developer having to do more work, while irritating, doesn't quite defeat the point of it.
[13:58] <NCommander> The problem is that langpacks are supposed to be updated rountinely, if I can only put my translations in the tarball, then only the latest versions of my package will have updated translations
[16:31] <persia> Any langpacks people about?  I've been thinking about some of the talk that came out of ArchiveReorganisation about collapsing the free components in Ubuntu, and wonder how that would affect translations.
[16:42] <cprov> persia: you can talk to danilo
[16:43] <cprov> persia: but I have the impression that we will be able to decide with translation will be included in the lang-packs per-seed basis as well
[16:45] <persia> cprov, So rather than having translations for "main", translations will happen for a given cell?
[16:46] <cprov> persia: they can happen for any given cell we want to, that's my impression.
[16:48] <persia> That works.  I just wanted to make sure that translations didn't get missed, as it wasn't brought up in the session, and I didn't see traffic about it since.
[16:48] <persia> Thanks for the confirmation.
[16:51] <cprov> persia: np, IIRC nobody mentioned it during the session, if you have time please make a note in the specification. This way we won't forget ;)
[16:51] <persia> I'll do that now.
[16:52] <cprov> persia: thanks
[17:42] <cr3> is there a way to remove old entries from my ppa?
[17:43] <cprov> cr3: you can delete published packages.
[17:43] <cprov> cr3: superseded versions are automatically removed.
[17:44] <cr3> cprov: superseded versions don't seem to be removed here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~hardware-testing/+archive
[17:44] <cprov> cr3: let me check
[17:44] <cr3> cprov: I'm not finding how to delete published packages
[17:44] <cprov> cr3: which package exactly ?
[17:45] <cr3> cprov: checkbox - 0.1-0ubuntu14 and checkbox - 0.1-0ubuntu15
[17:45] <cprov> cr3: they are published in different series.
[17:46] <cprov> cr3: the checkbox version in intrepid doesn't supersede the one in hardy.
[17:47] <cr3> cprov: interesting, so I need to do some cleanup then. can I delete some of these?
[17:47] <cprov> cr3:  there is a yellow-pencil link the upper-right corner of the package list, besided the 'Copy Package' one.
[17:47] <cr3> cprov: gotcha
[17:48] <cprov> cr3: yes, of course, go to the 'delete-packages' form and delete whatever you think you should.
[17:54] <pmjdebruijn> lo
[17:54] <pmjdebruijn> is this the place to ask questions about PPA?
[17:55] <pmjdebruijn> I upload a package which was broken, because of a missing .orig.tar.gz, so I requested a delete, next I uploaded the fixed package (~ppa2), but it seems it won't show up anymore...
[17:56] <pmjdebruijn> oh wait... it just took longer...
[17:56]  * pmjdebruijn crawls into a silent corner...
[17:57] <Ursinha> :)
[17:57] <cprov> pmjdebruijn: sorry, was afk
[17:57] <cprov> pmjdebruijn: yes, here :)
[17:57]  * beuno thinks cprov delays his responses intentionally so problems fix themselves
[17:58] <cprov> beuno: that's quite common, you know.
[17:58] <beuno> I do!
[17:58] <beuno> :)
[18:00] <pmjdebruijn> it's called rubber-ducking, ranting until you've solved your own problem... it has therapeutic value :)
[18:01] <CarlFK> is "blueprints" the place to document install instructions?
[18:02] <pmjdebruijn> install instructions for what?
[18:02] <CarlFK> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mdipierro/web2conf/devel
[18:02] <beuno> CarlFK, maybe in answers as a FAQ?
[18:02] <CarlFK> "the project"
[18:02] <beuno> we don't really have a place for for something like that
[18:02] <beuno> that's why we want wikis in Launchpad  :)
[18:03] <CarlFK> wow, still no wiki?
[18:03] <CarlFK> blueprint sounds like what I will use
[18:04] <CarlFK> or just ignore this for now
[18:11] <cr3> what's the difference between having serieses and releases for a project?
[18:11] <cprov> cr3: https://help.launchpad.net/Projects/SeriesMilestonesReleases
[18:12] <beuno> cr3, series contain releases
[18:12] <beuno> series are lines of developments
[18:12] <beuno> releases are actual releases, with files, etc
[18:13] <cr3> beuno: so "series" kinda maps to a major release and "release" to minor releases, right?
[18:13] <pmjdebruijn> hmm, the binary debs are not showing up for one of my PPA packages...
[18:13] <cr3> or maybe "series" maps to minor releases (0.1, 0.2, etc.) and "release" to bug fix releases (0.1.1, 0.1.2, etc.)
[18:14] <beuno> cr3, they're complimentary
[18:14] <beuno> you have a series
[18:14] <pmjdebruijn> https://launchpad.net/~pmjdebruijn/+archive?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published
[18:14] <beuno> which will contain X number of releases
[18:14] <beuno> they will be minor releases
[18:14] <beuno> until you do the final release
[18:14] <beuno> then, you will probably create a new series
[18:14] <cprov> pmjdebruijn: wait 6 minutes.
[18:15] <pmjdebruijn> cprov: heh ok... :)
[18:15] <beuno> cr3, so the series will be called "2.0", and you may have: 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, 2.4...
[18:15] <beuno> that's one one
[18:15] <pmjdebruijn> cprov: it all went faster with the other packages, but I'll wait some more :)
[18:15] <beuno> the other is:   series "2.0", and: 2.0beta1, 2.0beta2, 2.0rc1..... 2.0!
[18:15] <pmjdebruijn> how can I enabled my packages to be built for Hardy as well?
[18:16] <cprov> pmjdebruijn: ppa publication only happen at :00, :20 and :40. So, sometimes you can get lucky.
[18:17] <pmjdebruijn> cprov: ah... right
[18:17] <cprov> pmjdebruijn: you cannot rebuild the same source in the same repository, but you can copy source and binaries built in intrepid to hardy.
[18:18] <pmjdebruijn> right... I see
[18:18] <cprov> pmjdebruijn: usually the copy is safer the other way around (from the older suite to the new one), but it should be fine in your case too
[18:18] <pmjdebruijn> ok
[18:18] <cprov> pmjdebruijn: if you really need to rebuild the source, you have to upload a new version.
[18:20] <pmjdebruijn> huh?
[18:20] <pmjdebruijn> copying to source to hardy won't do?
[18:22] <cprov> pmjdebruijn: no, it won't, it would produce binaries with the same versions than the one you already have for intrepid.
[18:22] <cprov> pmjdebruijn: but they would have different contents.
[18:25] <pmjdebruijn> cprov: that's the point, right?
[18:26] <cprov> pmjdebruijn: no, two files with the same name can't be published in the repository
[18:28] <cprov> pmjdebruijn: binaries can be different because they were built with different dependencies, but also because they use gzip compression and it encodes a timestamp in the header.
[19:07] <LaserJock> can vcs-imports handle git?
[19:07] <cprov> LaserJock: no, not yet.
[19:08] <LaserJock> cprov: is that on the TODO list at all?
[19:08] <cprov> LaserJock: let me try to find the relevant bug/spec (anyway, you can ask the #bazaar guys for fresh info)
[19:09] <LaserJock> right
[19:11] <kiko-afk> it's on the todo list, yeah
[19:13] <cprov> LaserJock: check http://bazaar-vcs.org/BzrFastImport/FrontEnds, you can probably do the import locally if you are in hurry. But VCS support is not ready yet.
[19:15] <LaserJock> ok
[19:15] <LaserJock> I just have a upstream I work on possibly switching from SVN to git
[19:16] <LaserJock> and I'm used to being able to use bzr, but perhaps I'll have to just use git until LP can mirror it
[20:20] <stoecker> Hello
[20:22] <stoecker> Can someone tell me, how I can "keep the current translation" in launchpads translation for strings with "need review" state and remove this review state? The only solution I found is to replace the string and later revert that change.
[23:40] <owh> A user has reported a bug and claimed it is a security issue. This is not the case. How do I remove that status, or should the security team do that?
[23:45] <wgrant> owh: Click on the edit link in the privacy portlet.
[23:46] <owh> wgrant: Tah
[23:47] <owh> wgrant: That should be more discoverable - perhaps the "security issue" text underneath should link to the same place?
[23:49] <wgrant> Indeed. But then there's the problem of *adding* the security flag.
[23:49] <wgrant> beuno: ^^
[23:52] <owh> wgrant: Well, that's initially done with the tick box on creation. I missed the tool-tip that says: "change privacy/security", all I saw was two lines, one about privacy - as in, this is a public bug, and one about security - this is a security issue.
[23:53] <owh> wgrant: If the whole box was a button, it would be more obvious, saving HTML for an extra link.
[23:53] <owh> wgrant: It gets pretty ugly quick :)
[23:53] <owh> wgrant: What about just showing the two check boxes on the screen?
[23:54] <wgrant> Indeed. Maybe beuno has an idea.
[23:54] <ronny> hi
[23:54] <ronny> is there a way to set up a ppa on project-basis?
[23:54] <wgrant> ronny: No, but there should soon be a way to say that a PPA is the official one for a project.
[23:55] <ronny> ok
[23:55] <ronny> gmm
[23:55] <ronny> how do i actually get my fresh deb files into the ppa
[23:55] <owh> Gotta do some support at this end. My connection might drop out. BRB,
[23:56] <ronny> i just started to make debs for the development versions of the pida ide + its deps
[23:56] <wgrant> ronny: You upload sources, and Launchpad builds them into debs for you.
[23:57] <ronny> hmm
[23:57] <ronny> is there any howto for handling dayly/weekyl builds of development version
[23:57] <ronny> s
[23:58] <ronny> im new to the whole debian packaging process


[08:20] <wulan> i love ubuntustudio , a great powerful distro !!!
[08:22] <vzion> ^^
[14:51] <foursquare> hi guys
[14:55] <foursquare> ive installed ubuntu studio 12.04 on an emachines e725, so deal'en with the LCD issue but slaved another view'en source.
[15:10] <foursquare> Im a new Linux user,,,, my best friend owns a recording studio he uses PROTOOLS only.  I'd like to use Ubuntu Studio in his studio side by side. This is not some home studio he runs. His clients are King Diamond, Pantera, Matallica etc etc.
[15:22] <foursquare> did zombies eat everyone? hello....
[15:24] <zequence_> foursquare: Hi. So, did you install it yet?
[15:24] <zequence_> Oh, you said that
[15:24] <zequence_> foursquare: Are you having any problems so far?
[15:24] <foursquare> just the screen
[15:25] <foursquare> hi  zequence
[15:26] <zequence> foursquare: The screen is dark? Did you solve the problem?
[15:28] <foursquare> didnt try to solve the screen thing yet,,,its on the list. I used 12.10 and failed bad so went back to 12.04
[15:30] <zequence> foursquare: I've google about it, and it seems quite fixable. There are different ways to get around it. Let's see
[15:31] <foursquare> thats just a ubuntu issue... but ive got a friend that owns a PROTOOLS studio. I'd like to use/test ubuntu studio at his studio. but i'm new to linux .
[15:32] <zequence> foursquare: So, what would you like to know?
[15:32] <foursquare> Yah a ton of information for my screen issue. X.org was the issue last time.
[15:34] <foursquare> Some of the info for ubuntu studio looked outdated... but i'm new to linux...
[15:34] <zequence> foursquare: I can only help you if I know what it is that you are having problems with
[15:35] <foursquare> learning
[15:35] <zequence> If you're looking for docs, there's some at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio
[15:36] <foursquare> thank you
[15:36] <zequence> foursquare: Otherwise, I recommend checking out Ardour, as it is the Pro Tools equivalent on Linux machines
[15:36] <foursquare> is there a way to be a user/tester
[15:37] <zequence> Here's a manual for Ardour. You might want to skip ahead beyond any reference to installation, as that is of course already done http://en.flossmanuals.net/ardour/
[15:38] <zequence> foursquare: We have a team for testers, if you'd like to join. There's no specific testing going on right now, but there should be next month, or so
[15:39] <zequence> Check out http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TeamStructure
[15:39] <zequence> A new release coming out in April, so before that we will need to do some testing
[15:40] <foursquare> well i though if i could learn it, i could get people to really use it..
[15:41] <foursquare> thank you for your help
[15:41] <holstein> i would say, the overhead of using 2 machines will not be worth it
[15:41] <holstein> plus, its not an issue of if ubuntustudio can do the job, its more like, they are used to other software
[15:42] <holstein> i say this because i have often wanted to do the same
[15:42] <holstein> theres a studio here that runs sonar in XP.. older versions
[15:42] <holstein> they dont want to "upgrade" though
[15:42] <holstein> i could just as easily take protools in there, and they wouldnt want that
[15:43] <holstein> i have another friend running older protools on an old PPC mac that is dying
[15:43] <holstein> but, he wants protools
[15:43] <holstein> he wants to be able to say "we run protools"
[15:43] <foursquare> protools is king... right now,,,,,
[15:43] <holstein> nah
[15:43] <foursquare> hahaha
[15:44] <holstein> its not "king" by any means
[15:44] <holstein> its popular
[15:44] <holstein> and thats fine
[15:44] <holstein> it does what it does, and i am not commenting on quality
[15:44] <holstein> fact is, my friend could sepnd a significant amount of time learning JACK and ardour and new plugins and why?
[15:45] <holstein> at the end of the day, the clients want the buzz word
[15:45] <foursquare> so i guess i just need to learn how to use the programs...
[15:45] <foursquare> yah his clients are big hitters
[15:46] <foursquare> and have home studios also
[15:46] <holstein> doesnt matter
[15:46] <holstein> we all know jack/ardour/foss... ubuntustudio
[15:46] <holstein> its capable
[15:46] <holstein> thats not the issue
[15:46] <holstein> the issue is, the tech is used to it
[15:46] <holstein> the mastering guy is probably running protools
[15:46] <holstein> you finish a protools session and hand it off easliy to the mastering guy
[15:47] <foursquare> yes he masters it in protools
[15:47] <holstein> and does any of that matter?
[15:47] <holstein> no
[15:47] <holstein> but it does to them
[15:47] <holstein> and they dont want a change
[15:47] <holstein> they dont want to "explore" or "learn" or try new FOSS
[15:47] <holstein> they just want to do work.. and thats fine
[15:47] <holstein> these tools are great
[15:48] <holstein> i have friends who do work for "heavy hitters" on everything
[15:48] <holstein> some, without computers at all..
[15:48] <holstein> the issue is not "can ubuntustudio do the job?"
[15:48] <holstein> the issue is, migration and interoperability
[15:49] <holstein> now, when i get a protools session, i just open the data up and make it work
[15:49] <zequence> I think for someone running a pro studio will only use Linux atm, if they are really passionate about it. Especially if they already know how to do stuff in another system. You need quite a lot of time getting into a new system.
[15:49] <holstein> when my friend gets a non protools session, he doesnt take the job
[15:49] <foursquare> you've give me a great view and reminder...
[15:50] <holstein> so, if you send a professional mastering engineer an ardour session, of course thats not going to work
[15:50] <holstein> but, he should be getting a stereo mixdown anyway
[15:50] <foursquare> brb need more coffee
[15:50] <holstein> but, what if you hire a mixing guy?
[15:50] <holstein> that guy might charge more for non-protools sessions
[15:51] <holstein> and, that might not matter, but if you are dealing with lots of mixes per/day, and its a buisness, that all matters
[15:51] <holstein> zequence: did you transition from something else?
[15:52] <holstein> it took me months to move my studio over from cubase/xp
[15:52] <zequence> holstein: Not really, but I wouldn't do it if I didn't really like the idea of using Linux
[15:52] <holstein> when i did, i felt like someone had literally given me a much higher quality studio
[15:52] <holstein> and all i did was change software
[15:52] <holstein> didnt drop a dime
[15:52] <holstein> was it easy? no... was it worth it? sure... but i had the time to spend on it
[15:53] <foursquare> well i've got some time
[15:53] <zequence> It's only worth it, if you're into Linux. There are a range of limitations on software choice if you use Linux.
[15:53] <holstein> foursquare: sure.. and i do too.. but you cant expect anyone else to do it
[15:54] <zequence> All though there of course are stuff you can only do on Linux too
[15:54] <holstein> foursquare: unless someone explicitly says to me "i want linux" i dont do it anymore
[15:54] <holstein> i have had too many issues migrating folks
[15:54] <holstein> and, at the end of the day, its always just work flow change
[15:55] <holstein> i would say, you'll need to do it for yourself, otherwise, you'll expect them to love it, or care.. or notice.. and they might just want to keep what they have, since it works, and they know how to use it
[15:55] <foursquare> very true
[15:55] <zequence> I wouldn't say "just". There are lots of plugins and time saving tools on other platforms that you just can't do on Linux, either not at all, or not as fast
[15:55] <holstein> yeah.. just a matter of cranking out a product.. you might do it quicker with something else
[15:55] <zequence> Which is why you really have to dig Linux, if you're thinking of changing
[15:56] <holstein> "linux" doesnt care, nor get paid to care how productive you are
[15:56] <foursquare> hahaha
[15:56] <holstein> can it do the job? sure.. also, all those time saving tools can be made to run on linux
[15:56] <foursquare> wine?
[15:56] <holstein> foursquare: no.. by the vendors
[15:56] <holstein> foursquare: they can release the product for this platform
[15:56] <foursquare> how do you  guys tpe so fast
[15:57] <zequence> I'm thinking of plugins mostly. And you can get some of the running on Linux, but not everything.
[15:57] <holstein> foursquare: hehe
[15:57] <holstein> foursquare: for the nicknames.. you can type "hol" and hit tab.. it'll auto complete my nick
[15:57] <foursquare> yes plug-ins
[15:57] <foursquare> thx
[15:57] <holstein> typing "h" and hitting tab repeatedly will "scroll"
[15:58] <holstein> that might make it seem like im typing faster than i am
[15:58] <foursquare> yah man i'm new to linux.... did slackware yrs ago
[15:58] <foursquare> thx for tips
[15:58] <holstein> foursquare: cool!.. welcome to the channel
[15:58] <holstein> also, if you are into audio production, #opensourcemusicians is a great resource
[15:59] <foursquare> thank you,
[15:59] <holstein> lots of slack folk, ubuntu users.. different distros represented
[15:59] <foursquare> so linux can do very well in the music wourld
[16:00] <holstein> foursquare: i use it exclusively
[16:00] <holstein> i have friends who use it exclusively.. i dont miss anything.. but, i didnt use a lot of those high-dollar plugins
[16:00] <foursquare> i'd like to crack that nut
[16:00] <holstein> i have a reverb and a comp that i liked.. other than that, i was happy to let the rest go
[16:01] <holstein> and ive found "replacements"
[16:01] <holstein> im also not that into midi though
[16:01] <foursquare> its all digital now should it really matter
[16:01] <zequence> If you know what you are doing, and use the stuff that comes with Ubuntu Studio, you can make quality products. But, it might not be as convenient to do some of the modern stuff that people do nowadays in studios
[16:01] <holstein> i think the midi instrument area might still be lacking.. the plugins for that.... though, i think its all coming along nicely
[16:02] <zequence> plugins, soft instruments, gui interface, etc
[16:03] <foursquare> so much info where do i start
[16:03] <foursquare> Jack i think you said
[16:04] <holstein> yeah, JACK is key
[16:04] <foursquare> zequence, holstein  thanks guys. how long using linux in the studio?
[16:04] <holstein> its not necessary for everything, and sometimes overkill.. but its what we have that really separates us
[16:04] <zequence> foursquare: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/ProAudioIntro/1204
[16:05] <zequence> foursquare: That's a short intro to the sound systems on Ubuntu Studio
[16:05] <holstein> i mean, there are commercial "jack like" things.. but the trick with JACK is, it *reallY* connects everything
[16:05] <holstein> jack is open.. so anyone can (and usually will) write for it
[16:05] <foursquare> i need a map
[16:05] <holstein> i can plug any hardware that JACK can use and connect it with any software jack uses
[16:06] <foursquare> jack is an interface?
[16:06] <holstein> foursquare: jack is like a virtual patchbay.. kind of
[16:06] <foursquare> oooooh
[16:06] <zequence> jack is a pro audio server
[16:06] <holstein> think of it like in the studio.. you bring gear in, and you connect things
[16:07] <holstein> most things are connectable.. nothing in linux cares if you connet it
[16:07] <holstein> no one profits from limiting connectivity
[16:07] <holstein> but, getting the jack audio server started can be tricky, ad different from hardware to hardware
[16:07] <foursquare> so jack plugs into ?
[16:07] <holstein> foursquare: literally everything (in theory)
[16:08] <zequence> jack is a audio server. It allows many programs to use it at once, and connect to each other through it
[16:08] <holstein> yeah, the virtual patchbay is a "feature" of it
[16:09] <holstein> foursquare: JACK is available for osx (and windows, though i never tried in windows)
[16:09] <foursquare> so if i mic a kit i'd nu it through Jack
[16:09] <holstein> foursquare: you could
[16:10] <holstein> foursquare: you could route it through something to trigger midi.. you could route it through effects for monitoring.. route the wet and/or dry signals to tracks to record
[16:10] <holstein> to live streaming apps...
[16:10] <holstein> to literally anything else JACK sees
[16:10] <holstein> with no restrictions other than hardware/software limitations... and your imagination
[16:11] <foursquare> oh wow yah live sound? i'd love to learn
[16:11] <foursquare> so you can use this stuff for live?
[16:12] <holstein> foursquare: well, you can do whatever you want.. as long as its JACK supported
[16:12] <foursquare> can Jack help me play counter strike better?
[16:12] <holstein> no one cares, or is paid to care if you have JACK support.. but jack is open, and folks usually try and support it
[16:12] <foursquare> joking
[16:12] <holstein> foursquare: lol
[16:13] <foursquare> so i really need to put some good time into learning the programs...
[16:14] <foursquare> start with Jack and Adour(?)
[16:15] <holstein> i would try and start with something you do, and replace that work flow
[16:15] <holstein> what did i do? i had a laptop.. i move that to linux only.. i did *everything* daily one that machine
[16:16] <holstein> i did that for a year or so while still using xp/cubase for audio
[16:16] <holstein> i would rtfm and ask questions.. and try hardware with live CD's and test...
[16:17] <holstein> i wanted the transition to go smoothly.. i do get paid for some audio production work, and i didnt want there to be any downtime
[16:17] <foursquare> been usen ubuntu for a year now only, but nothing like this
[16:17] <holstein> when i went, i had already used ardour a little, and JACK with my hardware.. so i could get to my basic work flow pretty easily
[16:18] <foursquare> i  have nothing to mix or master
[16:19] <foursquare> thats easy
[16:19] <foursquare> to fix
[16:20] <foursquare> i have so many questions but just face time with the programs is what i'll nee
[16:20] <foursquare> d
[16:21] <foursquare> holstein, zequence  how long in the music side
[16:23] <zequence> foursquare: I've been using Linux for music the laste 5 years or so, but I haven't been doing any studio recording on Linux. Only live stuff.
[16:23] <zequence> I still use Cubase from time to time, on Windows, but that's because it's no my computer
[16:23] <foursquare> so you could be my guy for live information?
[16:24] <zequence> If you're thinking about using puredata, yes. Other than that, it's about setting your system up to cope with really low latencies
[16:25] <foursquare> i've got a buddy that only does live sound, maybe i'll tag along with him
[16:25] <foursquare> puredata?
[16:25] <holstein> eh... that'll be more about putting out fires
[16:25] <holstein> live sound is an art though
[16:26] <holstein> you might get to place some mics, or learn about compression
[16:26] <foursquare> yah it is but most have no clue
[16:26] <holstein> realtime audio in the studio is different.. and not necessary for some things
[16:26] <foursquare> i have studio time just no live time
[16:27] <holstein> in the studio, you are dealing with clients.. your clients.. you want them to be "happy" and come back
[16:27] <holstein> live sound is usually more about making some band sound louder... some band you may or may not see again.. a band that is not paying you
[16:27] <holstein> just that attitude shift can change a lot of the perspective
[16:28] <holstein> still, live sound is an art.. one most folks dont bother with these days
[16:28] <foursquare> ok i know you know your stuff
[16:29] <holstein> i dont think you'll leanr much relevant to using computers in the studio doing live sound.. but it wont hurt
[16:29] <foursquare> so do you work as a house sound guy?
[16:29] <holstein> i wouldnt run out and do an "unpaid internship" with a live sound guy in hopes of learning much in this regard
[16:30] <holstein> i would try for a studio
[16:30] <foursquare> controlled
[16:30] <holstein> foursquare: i have before.. nothing too big or serious
[16:30] <holstein> mostly just covering my friend when he as double booked
[16:31] <foursquare> i got my buddy that has a studio
[16:31] <holstein> he would always help me set things up properley as well, and talk me through the routing
[16:31] <holstein> foursquare: its good to see studios.. even just taking tours.. see what they have.. how its routed, and why
[16:32] <foursquare> Nomad Studio, dallas texas is where i'm going to use this
[16:33] <foursquare> routed?
[16:34] <holstein> foursquare: like, wheres the patchbay, and why? and what is available to it? and how
[16:34] <holstein> who set it up.. when, and what works and what do they wish they had done differently
[16:34] <foursquare> okay
[16:35] <holstein> i mean, there are simple basic rules that work, no matter what you are doing
[16:35] <holstein> gold in, gold out for example
[16:35] <holstein> you get a nice sound going in, and a nice sound comes out.. thats pretty simple
[16:36] <holstein> but, "nice" is a matter of opinion.. and getting a "nicer" sound can cost $$
[16:36] <holstein> so, whats the nicest you can sound for the budget you have?
[16:36] <holstein> for you, since its someone else's gear, you can really get a nice sond
[16:37] <holstein> but, you likely wont get access to any audio interface that works well in linux, if you get access at all
[16:37] <holstein> best thing you'd get there is maybe a stereo submix from the board
[16:39] <foursquare> okay i last used session 8 and adat stuff,,, things have changed
[16:39] <holstein> sure, but you are taking a linux box in separate
[16:39] <holstein> you cant slave off of whatever device they are using
[16:40] <holstein> whatever interface.. and, does the interface work with linux?.. who knows.. its probably some digi gear that wont work at all
[16:40] <holstein> you can always take the ubutustuduio live CD in and try it on that hardware
[16:41] <holstein> i wouldnt... last thing i would want is anyone thinking they have an 8000 dollar computer thinking i broke that 8000 computer
[16:41] <foursquare> i'll just use the laptop i have now.
[16:41] <holstein> but then, you are daling with maybe taking the outputs and going to your interface
[16:41] <holstein> foursquare: sure.. with what interfac?
[16:41] <holstein> interface*
[16:41] <foursquare> thats new to me... interface?
[16:42] <holstein> you cant use theres with 2 machines at the same time.. and if you can have access to it, it might not work
[16:42] <holstein> foursquare: how are you going to get audio into the laptop
[16:42] <foursquare> idk
[16:42] <holstein> you dont hav adat in on the machine
[16:42] <foursquare> nope
[16:42] <holstein> and i dont know if they have an adat out you can use/borrow in the studio if you did
[16:43] <holstein> they likely have a digi expensive interface that wont work with linux
[16:43] <holstein> so, you'll need to go from the analog source.. maybe a bus from the main board
[16:43] <foursquare> he moved everything to only using protools
[16:43] <holstein> i dont know that that means
[16:43] <foursquare> okay what about this.....
[16:43] <holstein> there should be mics.. and preamps
[16:44] <holstein> and someway to get analog information into protools
[16:44] <holstein> usually, big studios just keep the consoles they have, and go right out to interfaces
[16:44] <holstein> with expensive D/A converters
[16:44] <foursquare> if you  go look at his webpage and look over what he uses, could you give me some idea of what to do
[16:45] <holstein> A/D D/A converters
[16:46] <holstein> 64 Input Otari Concept One is the console
[16:46] <holstein> you can track to hard disk or tape
[16:47] <foursquare> http://www.nomadrecording.com/
[16:47] <holstein> foursquare: right, thats where im reading
[16:48] <holstein> the interface is not listed
[16:48] <holstein> but, no matter what it is, its connected to 2 things
[16:48] <foursquare> he list all equipment and software... oh are you there?
[16:48] <holstein> an analog source, and an interface to the computer
[16:49] <holstein> you will not be allowed to just unplug that interface and plug it in to your laptop.. assuming that is even possible
[16:49] <foursquare> ok got that
[16:49] <holstein> it could be adat
[16:49] <holstein> could be a proprietary pci card
[16:49] <holstein> could be firewire
[16:49] <holstein> not likely usb, nor that newer network interface equipment
[16:49] <holstein> most of which, will not work with linux
[16:50] <holstein> RME supports linux well, but its *very* high dollar
[16:50] <foursquare> REM is the interface?
[16:50] <holstein> RME is a companty that makes interfaces
[16:51] <foursquare> be right back need more coffee
[16:51] <holstein> http://www.rme-audio.de/en_products.php some of the nicer gear around.. and with linux support
[16:51] <holstein> so, you have your laptop there
[16:52] <holstein> there is an interface that may or may not support linux... that you cant in any way share between the 2 machines, that you will likely not be allowed to unhook from the main machine
[16:52] <foursquare> yes
[16:53] <holstein> so, for multiple reasons, id say, that is out
[16:53] <holstein> you are welcome to research that for yourself.. and you should
[16:53] <holstein> but, then, you are back at the analog
[16:53] <holstein> a submix, or aux send
[16:53] <holstein> what would that go to?
[16:54] <holstein> xrl or balanced 1/4" inputs to your laptop.. how would you do that?
[16:54] <holstein> now you gotta get the wallet out..
[16:54] <foursquare> hahaha
[16:54] <holstein> or, you just pull mixes in and mess around with them
[16:54] <holstein> im just pointing out what will be issues.. so you can deal with them
[16:55] <foursquare> he uses a mac laptop for everything, thought i'd just use what he used
[16:55] <holstein> the apple machine is just that.. a computer... but there will be probably 4 grand worth of stuff connected to that computer
[16:55] <holstein> foursquare: you cant share them
[16:55] <holstein> foursquare: imagine this..
[16:56] <holstein> you have a usb stick.. i want to share the usb stick with your computer
[16:56] <holstein> foursquare: can we just split that USB stick's output to our 2 machines?
[16:56] <holstein> no
[16:56] <holstein> you cant do that with most computer gear like that
[16:56] <holstein> you wont be able to share the interface assuming it was supported by linux
[16:57] <holstein> so, you likely wont have any option to just use what he uses
[16:57] <foursquare> ok what if i just stick to mastering
[16:57] <holstein> foursquare: sure.. just pull the file in, and import export...
[16:58] <holstein> then, you'll just be working on the files with your crap internal card
[16:58] <holstein> thats do-able
[16:58] <holstein> not that your card is crap.. its just inappropriate
[16:58] <foursquare> yep crap card
[16:58] <holstein> you can see, in the above scenario.. we are comparing not the 2 machine.. the linux and apple machines
[16:58] <foursquare> i like inapproriate
[16:59] <holstein> we are comparing your internal sound card with the 4 grand worth of external gear the apple has
[16:59] <foursquare> ok
[16:59] <holstein> i think lots of folks do this, and assume its a limitation of the platform
[17:00] <holstein> if you want to go spend the same with RME gear... or do tests with the apple machine and the linux machine using the same interface, then the comparison will be more level
[17:01] <foursquare> thats it, what i'm going for
[17:02] <foursquare> i want to see how far i can take ubuntu studio, can i get it on that CDcover as equipment used to master
[17:03] <holstein> cd cover?
[17:03] <foursquare> but thats up to me to learn the programs
[17:03] <holstein> foursquare: its on all my cd covers
[17:03] <holstein> its not an issue of "can it"
[17:04] <foursquare> hahaha can i do it for some of his clients,,,, king diamond, etc etc
[17:04] <holstein> foursquare: again, its not an issue of can
[17:05] <holstein> the issue is, do they want you to? and can you do it?
[17:05] <holstein> foursquare: my friend ricardus in #opensourcemusicians is an engineer.. he does mastering on ubuntu profesionally
[17:05] <foursquare> yse
[17:05] <foursquare> oops yes
[17:06] <foursquare> so he could be of some help?
[17:06] <holstein> foursquare: all im saying is, if you are wanting to do professional level mastering in linux, he is doing that
[17:06] <foursquare> oh ok
[17:07] <holstein> you are welcome to ask him about that.. and im sure he would share
[17:07] <holstein> i know he uses the linux dsp plugs
[17:07] <holstein> he tests them.. and tests mixbus that harrison consoles produces
[17:08] <foursquare> ok above my head now
[17:08] <holstein> http://www.harrisonconsoles.com/mixbus/website/ is an interesting project to note
[17:08] <foursquare> ahhhh more information,,,, me like
[17:08] <holstein> when harrison consoles wanted to release a digital version of what their analog board do, they didnt release it as a plugin
[17:08] <holstein> they could hae
[17:08] <holstein> have*
[17:09] <holstein> they released an entire DAW.. one that they can control.. and make it look and feel like their consoles
[17:09] <holstein> they built it on top of ardour
[17:09] <foursquare> wow
[17:09] <foursquare> free
[17:10] <holstein> well, ardour is free
[17:10] <holstein> but mixbus is neither free nor opensource
[17:11] <foursquare> any information on ubuntu studio being used at a pro level?
[17:11] <holstein> foursquare: i use it
[17:11] <foursquare> hahah i know tht
[17:11] <holstein> foursquare: lots of folks use it
[17:11] <holstein> my fiend ricardus.. most everyone in that channel i linked
[17:11] <holstein> friend*
[17:12] <foursquare> but lots of folks run home studios and have no clue how to do
[17:13] <foursquare> i dont want to know about them
[17:13] <holstein> ?
[17:13] <holstein> foursquare: what are you talking about?
[17:13] <holstein> foursquare: a studio is a studio
[17:13] <foursquare> idk i'm lost
[17:14] <holstein> foursquare: lots of *very* well known professional mastering studios are just in homes
[17:14] <holstein> or apartments in NYC
[17:14] <holstein> foursquare: i think you are mistaken about what makes a "professional" studio
[17:14] <foursquare> my buddy Koll lives in NYC doing the same thing
[17:14] <holstein> foursquare: i know lots of folks with very slick spaces that have nice looking studios, but dont know anything about recording
[17:15] <holstein> foursquare: i know really good enginers who live in their cars
[17:15] <holstein> you cant ever equate quality that way
[17:15] <holstein> with what "looks" or "seems" professional
[17:15] <foursquare> ok thats not cool,,, we need to get them a home
[17:15] <holstein> if you search google you'll find pro studios using linux
[17:15] <holstein> http://www.sonicstudio.it/
[17:15] <holstein> lots like that^
[17:16] <foursquare> well put buddy
[17:16] <holstein> lots of *very* large production studios use mixbus
[17:16] <holstein> lots of nashiville studios
[17:16] <holstein> ots of studios where folks dont know/care that they are running linux or not
[17:16] <holstein> lots*
[17:17] <holstein> all i can say is, linux is capable.. the only question is if it meets your needs or not
[17:17] <holstein> you can try it, and see
[17:17] <holstein> will it do professional level audio? sure
[17:18] <holstein> audio is nothing.. its not that big, or challenging for most all operating systems
[17:18] <holstein> will it work for you? thats for you to decide.. but it certainly can work
[17:19] <foursquare> thank you for all your insider information
[17:20] <holstein> http://www.sae.edu/en-gb/content/80/ardour_-_sae_edition
[17:20] <holstein> http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/may10/articles/mixbus.htm
[17:20] <holstein> http://www.soundonsound.com/news?NewsID=10937
[17:21] <foursquare> wow booked marked
[17:21] <holstein> http://www.tapeop.com/ is a free mag that anyone can get.. handy stuff.. non-linux related
[17:22] <foursquare> ok got it
[17:22] <holstein> i should note.. its free to recieve the mag.. but costs to post in it
[17:23] <foursquare> srry looken at the links you sent
[17:24] <foursquare> i'll try an get into the studio an see what we can do this weekend
[17:26] <foursquare> thank you for all the help and direction
[17:26] <holstein> you dont have to be "in the studio" to do what you need to do either
[17:26] <holstein> theres likely nothing there you can easily connect to anyways
[17:26] <holstein> i would just grab a file and start playing around..
[17:26] <holstein> im sure you'll sort it out!
[17:26] <holstein> good luck and welcome!
[17:26] <foursquare> use a hammer
[17:28] <foursquare> well i think i'll fix my scree issue now and see if i can play counter strike...
[17:28] <foursquare> thx again holstein
[17:29] <foursquare> am i able to add you as a friend? and how to do that?
[17:29] <holstein> foursquare: here you mean? im not sure...
[17:29] <holstein> im always on though
[17:29] <holstein> http://www.mikeholstein.info/ is me
[17:30] <holstein> you are welcome to friend me anywhere you can find me :)
[17:30] <foursquare> hahaha
[17:30] <foursquare> yah i dont do the facebook thing an stuff like that
[17:31] <foursquare> i'm not 12
[17:32] <foursquare> i cant wait to see some of the issues that come up and how i fixed them
[17:32] <holstein> i try.. i get a lot of work through FB
[17:33] <foursquare> if it works use it... good job man,,, didnt think FB worked that well
[17:33] <holstein> well, i dont like it.. but i need it
[17:34] <foursquare> linkedin?
[17:34] <holstein> i havent done linkedin, but i should
[17:34] <holstein> i have a hard enough time with FB
[17:35] <foursquare> i use that and get some very good hit and leads... i'm part of a start-up airplane company and use it alot
[17:36] <foursquare> lots of music people use linkedin
[17:37] <holstein> i get invites.. but FB takes so much energy... and i dont even do much on there.. i try and "farm it out"
[17:39] <foursquare> farm it out?
[17:39] <foursquare> sound like something fun
[17:40] <holstein> like, volunteers maintaing pages and whatnot
[17:40] <foursquare> if you do linkedin  send me an invite www.linkedin.com/in/aumnamaste/
[17:40] <holstein> doing "invites".. i hate those
[17:40] <foursquare> it an invite to naked girls,,,, joking
[17:41] <holstein> lol
[17:41] <foursquare> i've got a few buddys that use linked only that are pro music guys
[17:43] <foursquare> i want volunteers for stuff
[17:47] <foursquare> learning Ardour is the key though....
[17:47] <holstein> well, ardour is not unlike other DAWs.. so its not a waste of time
[17:50] <foursquare> so you learn one and you should be fine in others
[17:52] <holstein> well, in a larger "computer science" way, you learn what is happening, and how to find what you need, and you'll be able to work in any DAW
[17:54] <foursquare> look man i took programming  not computer science
[17:54] <foursquare> hahaha
[17:54] <holstein> hehe
[17:55] <foursquare> i guess i'll go read up on Ardour.... thx again holstein !
[17:57] <holstein> yeah, or just load it up.. even from the live CD
[17:57] <foursquare> you found me
[17:58] <holstein> yeah.. i made one :/
[17:58] <holstein> ive been meaning to for years.. so im there now
[18:00] <foursquare> hahaha good deal.... use me contact list if you want to link to others
[18:01] <holstein> i just added the folks that have been nagging me for years, and a few others
[18:01] <foursquare> love the stand-up bass,,,, always wanted to lean that one
[18:01] <foursquare> learn*
[18:02] <foursquare> what no long hair ,,,,
[18:05] <foursquare> kidding... my long hair's gone .... look like you
[21:37] <jojo_> hi pple... unbutunstudio is curently installing :D
[21:41] <sSs> enjoy


[05:30] <trinikrono> hello all, ubuntu ninjas
[06:52] <drew212> ddecator: what do we do if someone experiencing a bug no longer wants to help debug it?
[06:53] <drew212> bug 592597
[06:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 592597 in firefox-3.5 (Ubuntu) "Firefox suddenly disappears several times lately - 2 (affects: 1) (heat: 487)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/592597
[06:56] <micahg> drew212: BTW, that's not a proper crash report
[06:59] <micahg> drew212: you can ask the user to try disabling his extensions in the current profile
[07:02] <drew212> wouldn't he still have to restart firefox?
[07:02] <micahg> drew212: yes, but his tabs would be saved
[07:02] <drew212> whats a proper crash report then?
[07:03] <micahg> drew212: with a coredump :)
[07:03] <drew212> lol...
[07:03] <drew212> so much to learn =X
[07:03] <drew212> is there a way he can extract a cordump?
[07:04] <micahg> drew212: it might not have been saved (most likely not), user seems to have not enough memory
[07:08] <ddecator> right, everything micah said :p
[07:08] <micahg> ddecator: please take over, I have to get some sleep
[07:09] <ddecator> micahg: sure thing
[07:09] <drew212> ddecator: fiance is calling again =X
[07:09] <micahg> night drew212
[07:09] <drew212> micahg: goodnight!
[07:09] <ddecator> haha, np drew212
[07:09] <ddecator> night micahg
[07:09] <drew212> ddecator: we can pick up later =P
[07:09] <micahg> night ddecator
[07:09] <ddecator> drew212: sounds good :)
[09:06] <Kangarooo> hello. i sthis a bug? X distro has default browser settings to open in X browser but from one programm all opens in Y.
[09:07] <Kangarooo> in that y browser opening programm settings is set to open default Gnome browser. (usual user dont know gnome and doestn care what is gnome- he sees default is set.) and actually distro is using xfce..
[09:08] <lifeless> Kangarooo: it sounds like a bug
[09:08] <lifeless> not sure what program I'd say the bug is on :)
[09:09] <Kangarooo> im also thinking thats a bug. but when i reported bug triager somehow thinks its a question.
[09:12] <mr_pouit> please don't report another duplicate of Bug #531325 if possible...
[09:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 531325 in xfce4-xkb-plugin (Ubuntu) (and 4 other projects) "Pidgin and Keyboard Layout doesnt opens links in Default Web-Browser in Xubuntu. (affects: 1) (dups: 1) (heat: 42)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/531325
[09:21] <Kangarooo> mr_pouit: yes im not reporting new dublicates but wanted to give update on bugs now in bugreports so im looking at all old ones- counting how much is done. and i was told link problems will be resolved in 4.8 and it will hit xubuntu in june. now is coming end of june. and the bug thats somehow mistaken as a question therefore converted is another one not mentioned here.
[09:21] <mr_pouit> Kangarooo: 4.8 has not been released, so no change to expect
[09:23] <Kangarooo> mr_pouit: but is that a bug that in liferea in settings is sset default gnome browser to be used and preffered in xubuntu is set chrome and liferea opens in FF.. is that a bug or not?
[09:24] <mr_pouit> exo 0.3.x doesn't support gio, that's all
[09:24] <removido>  totem is with color balance off in lucid, how to enable? use nvidia driver and installed ubuntu perfect script
[09:35] <Kangarooo> mr_pouit: soooo. what that means.. that my bug is not a bug but question? tryd searching google cant figure out exo and gio.. should i even need to know that before to report a bug about something not working as needed- easy. BTW i found 4.8 has been released 12 june. source- http://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.8/schedule
[09:41] <mr_pouit> Kangarooo: no, it's not released... And yes, it's a bug, you already reported it, so everything is fine
[09:44] <Kangarooo> but now my bug report is a question it was transformed to question. should i revert question back to bugreport mr_pouit? couse now in search i cant find that bug. maybe couse its transformed. main reason why it should be back as bug report is that its not a question but a bug.
[09:45] <Kangarooo> have you found about witch one im talking about?
[09:46] <mr_pouit> you already reported Bug #531325 a few weeks ago, and this one isn't lost, so that's not so critical :p
[09:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 531325 in xfce4-xkb-plugin (Ubuntu) (and 4 other projects) "Pidgin and Keyboard Layout doesnt opens links in Default Web-Browser in Xubuntu. (affects: 1) (dups: 1) (heat: 42)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/531325
[09:54] <Kangarooo> mr_pouit: for that time is like a year already. :) but for pidgin and keyboard and liferea for each its different. that pidgin and keyboard plugin bug also can be either divided or just marked for pidgin as done. pidgin has options to choose not all xubuntu installed browsers but atleast default settings and now that works with xubuntu defautl setting. keyboard was working like one of thouse exo or gio or something and cant be choosed. and liferea can be
[10:05] <Kangarooo> ah besides that gnome default doesnt understand if xfce installed then take xfce default
[11:17] <Kangarooo> mr_pouit: if have have now one better solution idea for the same bugs about default webbrowser. shoult i make a new and link others to that or edit existing one?
[11:35] <Kangarooo> ah mr_pouit since in that biggest report is written fix commited i need to make new report.. so no confusion comes to what exactly fix is commited couse a better bug description witch i just thought about will also give other solutions.
[14:58] <vish> pedro_: hi , https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=622181 seems to be filed under the wrong product,component, could you fix that?
[14:58] <ubot2> Gnome bug 622181 in bindings "backup settings option uses unhelpful yes/no dialog" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[14:59] <pedro_> vish, yes, let me have a look
[14:59] <vish> thanks.
[15:01] <pedro_> vish, done
[15:02] <vish> pedro_: thanks
[15:02] <pedro_> you're welcome
[15:04] <xelister> help help
[15:04] <xelister> helpdesk?
[15:04] <xelister> my computer is slowing down terribly, what can be done??
[15:04] <jpds> Look at top? iostat?
[15:04] <xelister> - hmm. You are new user? Ok then. There is this program "nepomuku" it is designed to burn out the CPU.
[15:05] <xelister> ... just go to options systemconfig  > .. > ... disable, and fixed
[15:05] <xelister> - it worked! thanks :)  But why it is on by default????
[15:05] <xelister> ^--- I have this conversation at weekly basis.
[15:05] <xelister> with EVERY new user.
[15:06] <xelister> everyone complains, always. And NOONE uses this nepomuku anyway. WHY it is not turned off?!
[15:07] <xelister> seriously why we have to put all new users through this
[15:10] <ikonia> log a bug detailing ?
[15:10]  * vish scratches head o.0
[15:11] <jpds> xelister: http://nepomuk.kde.org/discover/user ?
[15:11] <xelister> ikonia: well its a well known proble, nepomuku just uses a lot of CPU&MEM
[15:12] <xelister> it is the most bloated application in desktop, therefore it should not be on by default imho
[15:12] <vish> xelister: known as in , bug already been reported?
[15:12] <ikonia> xelister: if it's a known problem, comment on the bug
[15:12] <ikonia> help progress the existing bug report forward
[15:14] <xelister> ok I will
[15:14] <ikonia> cool
[15:14] <ikonia> try to be constructive and factual, keep emotion out of the update and it will get read easier and better
[15:16] <xelister> nepomuku really wants me to commit seppuku.
[15:17] <xelister> perhaps this is why they used that name
[15:17] <ikonia> not sure how that's relevant
[16:49] <bdmurray> hggdh: can we get the mailing list subscribed to help.ubuntu.com/Community/ReportingBugs ?
[17:23] <benuski> Could someone mark bug #596426 as wishlist? Also, should that one be forwarded upstream?
[17:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 596426 in pidgin (Ubuntu) "So tiny "×" to click to close tabs (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/596426
[17:39] <DrKenobi> pedro_: Are you available? I need to ask you a question.
[17:40] <pedro_> DrKenobi, yes, what's the question?
[17:42] <DrKenobi> pedro_: look at this Bug #390372, you set the status to 'Confirm', why? I think it could be set to 'Won't Fix'. I'm new here, I'm trying to learn :)
[17:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 390372 in gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "default terminal does not have an effect (affects: 1) (heat: 7)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/390372
[17:42] <pedro_> DrKenobi, let me have a look
[17:44] <pedro_> DrKenobi, ah ok I set that as Confirmed because it's an Ubuntu Wishlist, as upstream said it could be included in the package if we want to but that's not the default behavior they expect for it
[17:44] <pedro_> DrKenobi, feel free to comment on it if you think that's a bad idea though
[17:45] <DrKenobi> pedro_, Ok, I understand now. It's a good point of view. Thank you!
[17:46] <pedro_> DrKenobi, i don't have an strong opinion on that bug to be honest
[18:06] <hggdh> bdmurray: doing it now
[20:15] <DrKenobi> Hi! Please set bug 554221 status to 'Triaged'. Thanks!
[20:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 554221 in gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "terminal is closing while under another window (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 20)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/554221
[20:16] <pedro_> DrKenobi, done, thank you ;-)
[20:16] <DrKenobi> Thank yo pedro_
[20:17] <DrKenobi> you
[21:10] <JFo> bug 593226 is not a kernel issue but I am unsure what package to assign it to
[21:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 593226 in gnome-keyring (Ubuntu) "gnome panels suddenly have a 25 second delay after session load (affects: 10) (heat: 60)" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/593226
[21:10] <JFo> any thoughts?
[21:11] <micahg> JFo: X related?
[21:11] <JFo> disregard :/
[21:11] <JFo> looks like someone changed it, I just hadn't looked that far :)
[21:11] <JFo> micahg, could be
[21:12] <JFo> serves me right for working from e-mail and not completing the thread
[21:25] <dlbike76> Hi!  I don't think the retrace has occurred for Bug 596170
[21:25] <ubot2> dlbike76: Bug 596170 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/596170 is private
[22:06] <zus> good afternoon everyone


[18:52] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Two pull requests for you in studio-controls, one for the aforementioned systemd pulseaudio issue, and the other for some additional icon fixes.


[00:15] <sylwek-ibmr50e> so hows lubuntu guys
[00:15] <sylwek-ibmr50e> i remember you had lxqt troubles in the past
[00:16] <wxl> what troubles?
[00:17] <sylwek-ibmr50e> I remember you were hesitant to put it into 18.04 LTS
[00:18] <wxl> we didn't get it all together for 18.04, true
[00:18] <wxl> and tbh i don't think we wanted to since it's an LTS
[00:20] <wxl> that is not an "lxqt trouble" though
[02:05] <abdulrahman> hey guys does anyone use nordvpn ?
[02:06] <abdulrahman> hey guys does anyone use nordvpn ?
[10:24] <lintao> ?
[10:25] <guiverc> lintao, if you have a Lubuntu support question, please just ask it (try & keep to a single line, be patient waiting for replies, people will reply when they can)
[10:26] <lintao> sry, just a network test :p
 today  my cousin told me about his pc, in short it s slow, i offered linux  and m entioned lxqt, but after we done talking guess what i remembered :/
[14:33] <diogenes_> tbs, to back up data?
 we cant use discover properly, as turkish guys it s buggy for us:/
 and a store for apps importand for new linux users, cuz they need a place to search and install apps they need, think if android doesnt have play store?
 after remembering that i felt bad, i was happy to be able to show how fast his pc ll be after lubuntu:/
[14:35] <diogenes_> tbs, try appgrid, maybe it will work better with turkish: https://www.linuxhelp.com/how-to-install-appgrid-on-ubuntu-19-04
 isnt this for gtk?
 i watched video now
 i can already install gnom e store i guess
 hmm
 @tomreyn [<tomreyn> https://tomreyn.megaglest.org/ppa.html < The_LoudSpeaker], Thanks!
[19:17] <The_LoudSpeaker> @wxl Just checked out all the search results from the link you sent. None usefull.
[19:18] <The_LoudSpeaker> I can try the snap qemu-virgil But then it is snap so...:P
[19:19] <The_LoudSpeaker> also tomreyn Thanks for the link. Just letting you know that sophos on my campus internet detects your site as a gaming site. XD
[22:49] <tomreyn> The_LoudSpeaker: well, the (second level) domain name is definitely gaming related, so that's not wrong. it's not a gabling site, though (but it also didn't say so).


[02:09] <imgbot> [02:50] <bzoltan> ricmm: https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtmir/+bug/1382414 The breakeage was no introduced by the UITK. I have tested the 1.1.1279.1+14.10.20141014-0ubuntu1 version of the UITK on both 106 and 107 (http://people.canonical.com/~bzoltan/UITK-AP-FAILURES-106-107/) and cornered the rot cause. The new qtmir introduced in the 107 made UITK AP tests fail in a rather incosistent way.
[03:09] <imgbot> [03:42] <bzoltan> elopio:  I think that we should land the silo13 and keep investigating what broke the UITK tests... http://people.canonical.com/~bzoltan/ap-2014_10_18-RTM-SILO15-KRILLIN/README_FIRST
[03:59] <imgbot> [03:59] <imgbot> [04:19] <imgbot> [04:19] <imgbot> [11:11] <ricmm> bzoltan: not sure where you are picking me as saying that UITK is broken
[11:11] <ricmm> bzoltan: my question was in what image did the failrue start, and if you verified the qtmir version at fault by installing a few of them
[17:54] <bfiller> any one around who can publish silo 2? robru? trainguards?
[17:55] <bfiller> fixes the broken sim lock for mako


[03:06] <HECTORCZ> hi, i made a mistake. and i don't know how to search my problem. first i have installed 17.10 on my laptop. after i wish to conect to a w10 resource. but fail. so i try to uninstall samba. but i thing i have removed to much. how to reinstall samba to the original settings
[03:09] <HECTORCZ> the i have reinstalled samba, but, i canot use the "conect to server" function in the menu, it say i dont have gvfsd installed. thats why i say i have removed to much
[03:50] <ivansfullmate|77> gta5
[04:35] <alkisg> HECTORCZ: try: sudo apt install ubuntu-mate-desktop
[04:56] <mk-cheezi0us> so may this is a dum q...  but im trying to install mac os sierra on an amd hp laptop... long story short im stuck...
[06:08] <sir_guy_carleton> hello, anybody there?
[06:10] <alkisg> !ask
[06:13] <sir_guy_carleton> what happens if delete an ubuntu parition that currently dual boots between it and a windows 10 parition? would the windows 10 parition be bootable if the ubuntu parition is gone?
[06:15] <alkisg> sir_guy_carleton: usually the answer is "no", but it depends a bit on if you're using mbr or gpt
[06:15] <alkisg> Grub gets written to the master boot record, so it will run even after you remove the ubuntu partition, but it will not find Ubuntu, and it will complain "os not found! grub rescue>"
[06:16] <alkisg> So you should restore the windows version of the MBR code, before or after removing the ubuntu partition
[06:18] <sir_guy_carleton> okay, thanks. i'm running the mbr (i.e. legacy bios), i might just reinstall windows and a linux distro.
[16:19] <oli_b> Hello everyone
[16:20] <diogenes_> hello
[16:22] <oli_b> can anyone help with a question about the last release?
[16:52] <lapaga> from applications you can start as many instances of caja as you want but from plank dock you can only do one...any way to change plank do start more than one instance?