[21:26] <newbie_> Hi everyone, would anyone be able to give me a steer.  I would like to know how I might add tilix to the right click menu on the desktop.


[10:55] <Munger> 14.04 upgrade has chuffed up all my sound settings. Not pleased. DEamned if I can remember where I unmuted everything
[11:37] <Munger> OK. Got Pulseaudio working through jack again, but can';t seem to unmute my mic
[12:52] <GillesM> hello I can't install ubuntu studio 14.04 on uefi ... I can install xubuntu 14.04 .. idea ?
[12:52] <cfhowlett> !efi
[12:55] <GillesM> I know what is uefi .. I just ask ti there is a problem with ubuntustudio
[12:55] <GillesM> !efi
[12:55] <GillesM> s/ti/if/
[12:57] <cfhowlett> !md5sum|GillesM verify the ISO you downloaded and the USB you created to ensure no problem with Ubuntustudio
[12:58] <Munger> http://i.imgur.com/CITh0hi.png <-------------- Why isn't the mic unmuted?
[13:00] <GillesM> cfhowlett, ISO is correct with md5sum
[13:01] <GillesM> and I used several different usb
[13:01] <GillesM> and with xubuntu 14.04 I don't have any problem...
[13:02] <GillesM> perhaps the kernel lowlatency doesn't support ext4 on /boot or something ...
[13:03] <GillesM> I got the message in initramfs ALERT cant find disk by uiid
[13:03] <GillesM> but the disk is present ...
[13:03] <GillesM> I suspect initramfs is wrong
[13:04] <GillesM> and I can't type anything is the prompt ... because usb is not loaded for the keyboard
[13:06] <cfhowlett> GillesM the lowlatency kernel doesn't have a problem with ext4 boot
[13:09] <GillesM> do I need to have a /boot partition specific ? now I have only /
[13:09] <GillesM> ?
[13:10] <Munger> GillesM, What machine is it?
[13:12] <GillesM> It is an ASUS mother Board .ASUS H97M-E . I can't boot on xubuntu and ubuntustudio with bios .. only with uefi
[13:12] <GillesM> on Xubuntu I can boot with uefi after installing xubuntu usb
[13:12] <Munger> OK. I just read somewhere that some Samsung notebooks won't boot from uefi
[13:13] <GillesM> Munger, i boot only from uefi for xubuntu
[13:13] <GillesM> and the usb ubuntu studio boot fine
[13:14] <Munger> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2220247
[13:14] <cfhowlett> GillesM do you have xubuntu installed?
[13:14] <GillesM> I can install xubuntu on this machine ...
[13:15] <GillesM> munger I do'nt have /var separate
[14:51] <Guest5379> Hi all. I have been struggling to connect Jack and FFADO firewire driver. However, I have found a small but important change in the QjackCtl configuration, that will make it work. Does any of you have an idea of how I can forward this information to the documentation/developer team?
[16:05] <Munger> Well, now that I have lost the ability to capture any audio I guess this machine is about to have a bit of a rest :-(
[18:32] <GillesMM> hello I was able to boot ubuntustudio on msdos partition and legacy bios.. but not in uefi for asus ( even on Xubuntu it is ok for uefi)


[09:53] <rbasak> frankban: I'm looking at juju-quickstart 1.4.4. It looks like dependencies have been bumped? We don't have a new enough websocket-client nor jujuclient in Utopic right now.
[09:53] <rbasak> frankban: see bug 1374335
[09:53] <mup> Bug #1374335: FFe: Sync websocket-client 0.18.0-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main), juju-deployer 0.4.2, python-jujuclient 0.18.4 <juju-deployer (Ubuntu):New> <python-jujuclient (Ubuntu):New> <websocket-client (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1374335>
[09:55] <frankban> rbasak: yes, I mentioned it in bug 1359938 . we was told that those will be the versions of websocket-client/python-jujuclient in utopic, and so we reflected that. so I guess the exceptions are blocked until we have those in utopic?
[09:55] <mup> Bug #1359938: [FFE] request to update juju-quickstart to support JUJU env var <juju-quickstart (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1359938>
[09:57] <rbasak> frankban: that depends. Are the versions stated actually required?
[09:58] <rbasak> I don't understand why the version numbers are stated to match exactly. What if one of the dependencies needs a security update. Wouldn't that break it?
[10:00] <frankban> rbasak: we usually use >= with versions in deb packages
[10:00] <frankban> rbasak: for development builds (in a virtualenv) we usually have precise versions for reproducible builds
[10:01] <rbasak> frankban: OK, so do I need to bump the deb package version dependencies here, or will everything work with any version of the dependencies?
[10:04] <frankban> rbasak: I think we need to bump the version of the dependencies. unfortunately the expected utopic version of websocket-client includes backward incompatible changes, so we needed to reflect those changes
[10:05] <frankban> rbasak: so quickstart assumes websocket-client==0.18.0 and jujuclient==0.18.4 are in utopic
[10:05] <frankban> well, >=
[10:07] <frankban> rbasak: I built those dependencies (and quickstart 1.4.4 as well) in the juju stable ppa FWIW: https://launchpad.net/~juju/+archive/ubuntu/stable/+packages
[10:15] <rbasak> frankban: backwards incompatible changes are worrying
[10:15] <rbasak> frankban: that could impact the FFe
[10:16] <rbasak> (for websocket-client)
[10:16] <rbasak> Since there are other packages that depend on it too, and they could be impacted.
[10:17] <frankban> rbasak: the public API of websocket client did not change a lot, IIRC it's mostly a change in how wss certs are handled by default
[10:17] <frankban> perhaps hazmat could provide more info
[10:17] <rbasak> python-docker also depends on python-websocket
[10:18] <rbasak> If we update websocket-client, will we break python-docker?
[10:21] <rbasak> frankban: apart from a newer websocket-client, does juju-quickstart 1.4.4 need a newer version of anything else?
[10:22] <frankban> rbasak: the new python-jujuclient has some bug fixes, so I'd say yes, quickstart needs that too
[10:23] <frankban> rbasak: urwid 1.2.1 is already in utopic universe
[10:23] <frankban> so yes, basically websocket-client and jujuclient are required
[10:23] <rbasak> Yeah the others look like they're present. But I still want to know what versioned dependency I need to declare.
[10:23] <rbasak> This is important especially for any future backport to Trusty.
[10:29] <rbasak> frankban: OK, I've updated the bugs. I don't think it's worth testing except against the newer versions, so I'll leave it for now. We need those FFes approved and the newer version dependencies uploaded, and then I can look again.
[10:29] <frankban> rbasak: so our expectations were that websocket client >= 0.18.0 and jujuclient >= 0.18.4 are in utopic. for this reason, we updated quickstart to support and run on those new dependencies, and we tested quickstart 1.4.3 and 1.4.4 with those. I can quickly check if quickstart still works and tests pass after downgrading jujuclient and websocket client to trusty versions if you want
[10:29] <frankban> rbasak: ok thanks
[10:30] <rbasak> frankban: trouble is, given that there are changes that matter, we'd need to test again before bumping the dependencies. So probably best get a decision made on the FFes first.
[10:31] <frankban> rbasak: ack, thank you for looking at those
[10:47] <hazmat> rbasak, incompatible?
[10:48] <hazmat> rbasak, its actually forward compatible changes to python 3 for the most part. the pin to 0.12 previously was because it started doing ssl enforcement, but we already had 0.16 from debian that had that.
[10:48] <hazmat> in utopic. the delta from 0.16 to 0.18.0 is just bug fixes
[10:49] <hazmat> rbasak, jujuclient needs 0.18.0 there are some fixes in that release i contributed upstream specifically for it.
[10:50] <frankban> hazmat: cool SSL enforcement is what I was wondering about
[10:51] <rbasak> hazmat: I just need to know, given that we're way past feature freeze right now, that bumping the version is definitely not expected to break anything.
[10:52] <rbasak> hazmat: that includes the other reverse depends that I know little about - python-docker and python-socketio-client.
[10:52] <rbasak> hazmat: could you please update bug 1374335?
[10:52] <mup> Bug #1374335: FFe: Sync websocket-client 0.18.0-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main), juju-deployer 0.4.2, python-jujuclient 0.18.4 <juju-deployer (Ubuntu):New> <juju-quickstart (Ubuntu):New> <python-jujuclient (Ubuntu):New> <websocket-client (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1374335>
[10:52] <rbasak> And then I just need the FFes to get approved, to know what versioned depends I should specify on juju-quickstart, and then I can test and upload.
[10:53] <hazmat> rbasak, i'll double checkk them
[10:53] <rbasak> Thanks!
[10:53] <hazmat> re python-docker, python-socketio-client
[11:25] <jamespage> gnuoy, vxlan support landed
[11:36] <jamespage> gnuoy, looking at cells now
[12:02] <hazmat> rbasak, so docker-py verified (0.3.2 which afaics is utopic version) with 0.18 websock-client .. still working on socketio-client there's some server dep for their tests i need to figure out.. out for the next hr on family errands. bbiab
[12:06] <rbasak> hazmat: thanks. No rush - we'll need the FFes approved also before I can do anything.
[12:20] <jamespage> gnuoy, I appear to have a nova cells based deployed running :-)
[12:36] <gnuoy> jamespage, \o/
[12:38] <jamespage> gnuoy, although the updates in openstack-charm-helpers for vxlan break gre configuration
[12:38] <jamespage> gnuoy, hmm
[12:45] <jamespage> gnuoy, hows scheduling dealt with when all of the hypervisors in a given cell are at capacity?
[12:46] <gnuoy> jamespage, cells capacities are reported back to the api cell. If a cell is full then requests should go to the next cell
[12:47] <gnuoy> or some of that may be delegated with grandchildren I guess
[12:47] <gnuoy> why anyone would do a grandchild deploy beats me
[12:56] <jamespage> gnuoy, to layer up the message busses without overloading to much on the top layer
[12:57] <jamespage> gnuoy, anyway - I think I hit some sort of race between nova pushing the scheduling request to a cell and it updating its capacity
[12:57] <jamespage> gnuoy, I was generating instances in series
[12:57] <gnuoy> jamespage, but with the trade off that losing a parent cell kill off its descendants
[12:59] <jamespage> gnuoy, so this is quite awesome work btw
[12:59] <jamespage> I have a few questions
[12:59] <gnuoy> fire away (and thanks :-) )
[12:59] <jamespage> but I need to get a coffee first
[12:59] <gnuoy> sure
[13:22] <hazmat> rbasak, k, out of curiosity what are the rdepends on python-socketio-client
[13:22] <rbasak> hazmat: I couldn't see any
[13:22] <rbasak> I'm not sure why that's packaged (in Debian)
[13:34] <hazmat> rbasak, the unit tests for it are dependent on a bitrotted nodejs socket server being setup manually outside of the tests.
[13:42] <hazmat> rbasak, yeah.. there are tons of open issues that this python-socketio-client is broken with the socketio 1.0 spec
[13:59] <hazmat> rbasak, added comments to the issue
[14:00] <jamespage> gnuoy, sorry got distracted
[14:01] <jamespage> gnuoy, back in a min
[14:02] <rbasak> hazmat: thanks, that's very useful.
[14:05] <ayr-ton> marcoceppi: One difficult question. I'm ready to start build the cloud for my project using openstack and juju. Do you think is a good idea do make a cluster with two intel nucs of 16GB for start?
[14:05] <ayr-ton> marcoceppi: It is realiable?
[14:06] <jamespage> gnuoy, I think the nova-api relation is redundant right (nova-cell charm)
[14:06] <ayr-ton> marcoceppi: And for the maas master, should I use a other machine for this? Or virtualize the maas master under one of the NUCs can be a start aproach?
[14:07] <ayr-ton> marcoceppi: Like, in this reference architecture: http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud/openstack/reference-architecture, how is the minimum specs for the first hypervisors.
[14:08] <ayr-ton> ?*
[14:08] <ayr-ton> At this moment, the best reference archicture for start, that I found, is that one: http://marcoceppi.com/2014/06/deploying-openstack-with-just-two-machines/
[14:11] <marcoceppi> ayr-ton: if you're going to be doing openstack for real, you're going to want about 8-10 machines
[14:15] <jamespage> marcoceppi, ayr-ton: hmm - I disagree
[14:15] <jamespage> that really depends on how many compute nodes you need
[14:15] <jamespage> (8-10) machines
[14:17] <jamespage> ayr-ton, its possible to put most things under LXC using juju - apart from the quantum-gateway, ceph, swift-proxy and nova-compute charms
[14:20] <hazmat> ayr-ton, if you have a single beefy machine doing a virtual maas (libvirt kvm) is also visable.
[14:21] <hazmat> viable
[14:21] <hazmat> dinosaursareforever.blogspot.com/2014/06/manually-deploying-openstack-with.html
[14:27] <ayr-ton> hmmm
[14:28] <ayr-ton> hazmat: Okay. So if a have a big machine with a lot of ram, I could use a virtual maas. If I want to use NUCs, for example, except the ceph and etc, I could use two machines for start?
[14:29] <ayr-ton> And a MAAS master?
[14:29] <ayr-ton> And put a lot of things inside lxc?
[14:29] <ayr-ton> Except nova-compute.
[15:22] <ayr-ton> hazmat: One other question, is safe to use nested virtualization? As dinosaur post suggest?
[15:22] <hazmat> ayr-ton, if your hw supports it sure, its super slow though
[15:22] <hazmat> ayr-ton, in terms of running anything on the guest
[15:30] <frenda> Hi,
[15:31] <frenda> I'm going to illustrate about What I mean:
[15:31] <frenda> https://nodebb.org/pricing
[15:31] <frenda> https://payments.discourse.org/buy/
[15:31] <frenda> https://payments.discourse.org/buy/
[15:31] <frenda> etc
[15:33] <marcoceppi> frenda: what do you mean?
[15:33] <frenda> These open source applications have a hosted solution which make an isolated installation per user
[15:33] <frenda> Now
[15:33] <frenda> Can juju do something for my app?
[15:33] <frenda> something like them*
[15:35] <frenda> I mean can I use juju for ato-installation?
[15:35] <marcoceppi> juju can deploy these opensource apps, but it's all free (except for the cloud provider, you have to pay for the instances) but juju is a free and opensource software with no charge associated with it
[15:35] <marcoceppi> ah, auto-installation. You could, but it's not currently designed to do that. It does provide a websocket which you could use to automated deployments from something like this checkout page
[15:37] <frenda> What I get: 1. I can install juju under my servers 2. I can make an auto-installation process for my app
[15:38] <frenda> 3. Then, can user use my installed juju to install my app as a charm; user by user?
[15:39] <frenda> As I can see here: https://jujucharms.com/precise/ghost-0/machine/?text=ghost (i.e.), I can create mine! true?
[15:41] <frenda> Is https://jujucharms.com an open source software?
[15:41] <rick_h_> frenda: yes, https://github.com/juju/juju-gui
[15:42] <rick_h_> frenda: development is in #juju-gui if you have any questions or need a hand with anything
[15:43] <frenda> rick_h_, marcoceppi: thanks
[16:54] <elujin>  /msg NickServ help
[16:54] <elujin>  /msg help
[16:55] <elujin> whois elujin
[17:25] <jcastro> hey kwmonroe
[17:25] <jcastro> can you check this MP first when you start your shift? https://code.launchpad.net/~bloodearnest/charms/precise/squid-reverseproxy/trunk/+merge/235429
[17:26] <kwmonroe> ack jcastro
[18:50] <jcastro> yo jose
[18:50] <jcastro> how do we do this UOA thing?
[18:51] <jcastro> marcoceppi, tvansteenburgh: wanna hop on in a minute?
[18:51] <marcoceppi> jcastro: I'm ready when you are
[18:52] <tvansteenburgh> jcastro: be there in a min
[18:53] <jcastro> firing it up now
[18:54] <jcastro> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYeqonNeIc-w5qNIq-whPk66nYi98w62Y1gpuwsag-owcyO3gw?authuser=0&hl=en
[18:58] <jcastro> http://youtu.be/VMHNi67htM0 if you just want to follow along.
[19:02] <natefinch> anyone know if we actually have documentation of what values you can pass to juju set-environment?  and/or what can go into environments.yaml?
[19:05] <rick_h_> natefinch: if you find anything please let me know as I have a big interest in that for some project stuff
[19:07] <natefinch> rick_h_: I'm sure I can troll the source code to find it out.  It's sad that I have to do that.   I'll bring it up in Brussels and probably will spend time writing help docs for it.  Glaring deficiencies in help docs really bug me.
[19:11] <mbruzek> jcastro: https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/tools-amulet.html
[19:11] <natefinch> (git blame cmd/juju/help_topics.go can attest to that ;)
[19:12] <mbruzek> jcastro ^ link to Amulet tests
[19:12] <jcastro> ack
[19:12] <mbruzek> documenation
[19:20] <jcastro> marcoceppi, you went dark
[19:20] <marcoceppi> jcastro: sound went out
[19:20] <marcoceppi> reloading
[19:21] <marcoceppi> hangouts isn't loading anymore
[19:21] <tvansteenburgh> doh
[19:21] <jcastro> pkill your chrome processes
[19:21] <jcastro> and doublecheck for zombies
[19:22] <marcoceppi> inbound
[19:24] <mbruzek> #ubuntuOnAir Charm testing url: http://blog.juju.solutions/cloud/juju/2014/10/02/charm-testing.html
[19:25] <marcoceppi> this is rediculous
[21:09] <sebas538_> more and more we are gonna see SOA's, so an OpenTSDB charm would be awesome! :) just saying...


[00:00] <BigRedS> yeah, one morning I woke up incredibly hungover in Wales and decided to put the telly on. About an hour in someone pointed out that everyone was speaking Welsh
[00:00] <mgdm> heh heh
[00:03] <bittin> http://derpy.me/nxk9U
[00:07] <shauno> okay, perhaps not that mesmerising
[00:10] <mgdm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-5hII715_s
[00:11] <shauno> now I feel old.
[08:19] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning
[08:20]  * TheOpenSourcerer just added another applicant to our HR system.
[08:20] <AlanBell> yay
[08:21] <Azelphur> dumb question, what's the format for having an item delivered to an apartment? is it like "Flat 3 Number 14 London Road" or "14 London Road | Flat 3" ?
[08:21] <Azelphur> | being a newline :p
[08:23] <popey> depends what the form will let you fill in :)
[08:23] <Azelphur> typical address line 1 / address line 2
[08:24] <christel> GOOOD MORNING
[08:25] <Azelphur> Amazon is being a bright cookie
[08:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> Azelphur: I think the general style is to put the smallest object first. So the Flat Number, then building number
[08:25] <Azelphur> it corrected Flat 2, 10 blah road, to "Flat 2 5", sense makes none
[08:25] <Azelphur> TheOpenSourcerer: fun :)
[08:25] <popey> morning btw
[08:25] <Azelphur> morning :)
[08:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> lo popey
[08:29] <Azelphur> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/2012/November/2012-11-05-082554_1184x188_scrot.png
[08:29]  * Azelphur facepalms
[08:33] <Azelphur> also for anyone who hasn't seen the 24 hour super computer build, It's pretty cool http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k32Bwy9rha4
[08:53] <BigRedS> TheOpenSourcerer: Aha! Cool!
[08:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> what? BigRedS
[08:54] <diplo> Morning all
[08:54] <andyc> Silly question: When does rc.local get run?  Is it after all other upstart scripts?
[08:54] <andyc> And morning all!
[08:55] <BigRedS> TheOpenSourcerer: your hiring
[08:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> ah, thanks
[08:56] <BigRedS> andyc: it's after  all the othher init scripts traditionally. I guess thatt in an  upstart syysttem it'ss after all teh upstart stuff
[08:56] <andyc> BigRedS, thanks
[09:16] <mungojerry> got no data services on o2/giffgaff at the mo
[09:16] <mungojerry> anyone else?
[09:26] <AlanBell> mungojerry: o2 is fine
[09:26] <mungojerry> oh :(
[09:26] <mungojerry> rebooted my phone
[09:26] <mungojerry> still no data
[09:26] <AlanBell> well I am tethered to my phone in basingstoke right now
[09:27] <mungojerry> it's not a local issue since i travelled into london
[09:33] <diplo> mungojerry: Anything specific, will test now
[09:35] <diplo> http://community.giffgaff.com/t5/Help-Ask-the-community-got-stuck/How-is-the-Service-where-I-am/ta-p/5643472
[09:35] <mungojerry> a colleague has working GG and is next to me
[09:35] <diplo> yeah mines connected, albeit only getting gprs ( but that could be my office, only use wifi here so never checked before
[09:35] <diplo> )
[09:54] <JamesTait> Good morning, all!
[09:57] <BigRedS> Good Morning!
[10:00] <mungojerry> diplo, i downlaoded the giffgaff apn app from play store, and now fixed :D
[10:06] <Laney> how does facebook know where i've been?
[10:06] <Laney> does the android app report my location to it?
[10:08] <diplo> Laney: Isn't that an option in the settings to turn that off
[10:08] <Laney> no idea
[10:08] <diplo> ah yes I've had to reset mine before I think
[10:08] <Laney> i'm new to this
[10:09]  * diplo checks
[10:10] <diplo> yeah menu -> settings
[10:10] <Laney> i found some options
[10:10] <diplo> Messenger Location Service ( Location is on ) on mine
[10:10] <Laney> gps and wifi location
[10:13] <BigRedS> Laney: there's 'tinfoil for facebook' for the paranoid-but-still-using-facebook, which I gather sandboxes it and prompts you before telling it anything
[10:13] <Laney> I'll be alright without it knowing my location
[10:42] <BigRedS> Anyone know if there is some sane way of having a computer keep updated with googlebot's IP addresses
[10:43] <popey> run apache on it and grep the logs :)
[10:44] <BigRedS> haha
[10:44] <directhex> googlebot has more than one IP address
[10:44] <dwatkins> http://support.google.com/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=80553
[10:44] <dwatkins> doesn't give you a way to track it, but at least reverse lookups can be used to verify it's 'genuine'
[10:46] <BigRedS> yeah, I'm looking at mod_evasive exclusions
[10:47] <BigRedS> I was hoping for an A record with all the currently-valid IPs in it or something, but I think there isn't one
[10:47] <dwatkins> if you're lucky they might all be within a particular network/subnet
[10:48] <BigRedS> I think I was up to seven subnets the last time I had to do this
[10:48] <dwatkins> (considering Google's diverse geographical locations, however, I doubt that)
[10:49] <BigRedS> Ah, right, that page says at the bottom that there's no official list posted by google
[10:49] <BigRedS> Bah. Bad google! Making me do work
[10:50] <dwatkins> I'm curious, what do you want to do with its IP address ultimately, BigRedS?
[10:50] <BigRedS> a customer wants to whitelist all of them in mod_evasive
[10:52] <dwatkins> All I can think of is grepping historical server logs.
[10:53] <BigRedS> yeah
[10:53] <BigRedS> I think I'm going to craft a cronjob to do that on a few shared servers
[10:53] <BigRedS> it's bonkers that there's no official list. Doesn't play well with my laziness
[10:54] <dwatkins> perhaps they move the daemon around, too - it might run on the same servers as the other stuff they run on their hardware
[10:55] <dwatkins> I like that they have a battery on each one, makes a lot of sense: http://www.epanorama.net/blog/2009/05/07/google-efficient-data-centers/
[10:55] <dwatkins> (I'm guessing most people here have seen this already)
[11:06] <BigRedS> I've long wondered why we don't all do that
[11:07] <BigRedS> But then I've rackmounted a laptop before, so I'm suspicious of my DC-related ideas :)
[11:07] <dwatkins> My server at home is a netbook, although it has external disks which aren't powered by its own built-in battery.
[11:08] <popey> I'd love to see those new samsung arm chromebooks as builders
[11:13] <ali1234> builders?
[11:13] <ali1234> like package building? or kits?
[11:14] <AlanBell> BigRedS: rackmounting laptops makes perfect sense to me
[11:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> Just saw that czajkowski has been in the UK for two years. Is that all? Seems like much longer than that ;-)
[11:15] <christel> haha
[11:16] <czajkowski> oi
[11:16] <czajkowski> :)
[11:16] <czajkowski> yup 2 years ago, christel came to LHR and collected a very jet lagged me and brought me to farnham
[11:17] <AlanBell> and you have picked up the cockney accent already
[11:17] <czajkowski> eh no
[11:20] <AlanBell> dwatkins: I have no idea why all servers don't have a UPS on the low voltage side
[11:21] <dwatkins> AlanBell: good question, as I implied, I get around this by using a netbook ;)
[11:21] <christel> :D
[11:21] <AlanBell> just seems nuts that they are all on the mains side, massively more complicated and inefficient
[11:21] <dwatkins> I can understand using a UPS if there are many diverse devices which need to be kept powered, I guess.
[11:22] <dwatkins> even then it's a single point of failure, though
[11:22] <AlanBell> yeah, but the standard use-case is to keep stuff spinning when someone pulls out the wrong wire, for long enough to put it back in again
[11:22] <AlanBell> and external UPS doesn't actually help with that much, just makes more wires
[11:22] <ali1234> well here's a thing
[11:23] <ali1234> if you have a laptop with external drives and the power goes out, what happens when you have a powered netbook with unpowered drives plugged in on the IDE port?
[11:24] <ali1234> on old PATA motherboards the answer was the drive attempted to pull all it's current through the IDE cable, resulting in smoke
[11:24] <dwatkins> I don't have a PATA port on my netbook. Sounds painful.
[11:24] <ali1234> i expect SATA is immune to this
[11:24] <ali1234> but it's worth finding out
[11:25] <ali1234> i hope you at least removed the battery from the netbook anyway
[11:25] <shauno> interestingly, this is the design google uses; 12V battery on each node
[11:26] <shauno> oh, and scrolling up, I discover I'm already redundant.  nm me then
[11:26] <AlanBell> shauno: yes, it is the obvious thing to do really
[11:27] <shauno> I don't know.  they're big, heavy, and don't tend to enjoy the heat.  but it has always puzzled me why we don't use DC for the last-leg distribution
[11:27] <ali1234> cos DC is very bad over more than a couple of meters
[11:29] <shauno> well, for instance, we have a ups sat in the bottom of each rack.  so it's doing ac->dc rectification for the battery.  and then dc->ac inverter & pump because it's of that particular design.  and that AC only has to reach the top of the rack at most, before the load turns it back into 12V again.
[11:29] <AlanBell> shauno: my laptop battery is not big, heavy and is fine with moderate heat
[11:29] <BigRedS> ali1234: yeah, so you do do your ac/dc in the middle of the rack
[11:30] <shauno> seems like many wasteful steps
[11:30] <BigRedS> wastes 1u but so much heat generation happens there, so you can cool it more efficiently
[11:30] <AlanBell> oh, 12v from the UPS to the servers would make sense too
[11:31] <AlanBell> given you are not pushing too many amps over it
[11:31] <BigRedS> but the problem is that few people design whole racks
[11:31] <BigRedS> so you have to assume that it's some standard coming in, and the only real standard for powering servers is a mains supply
[11:32] <BigRedS> but if the UPS in the rack only had to power the computers, and not a conversion to AC and then back again a meter later you'd probably get a noticeable increase in uptime on battery power
[11:34] <shauno> right.  higher efficiency, and you'd get to move a heatsource & fan out of each node
[11:34] <shauno> it's a very typical design (well, 24V I think) for telcomms, but IT hates it
[11:37] <dwatkins> I think some of SGI's racks are entirely 24 Volt.
[11:42] <shauno> as BigRedS said, it's just trying to get too many people to agree on one scheme.  we have enough fun with cisco doing cooling right-to-left instead of front-to-back.  no-one agrees on anything
[11:47] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[11:53] <BigRedS> G'morning!
[11:54] <bigcalm> Ahoy
[11:58] <bigcalm> My my. That pot noodle has helped me get my mind back on track. Might have added too much tobasco sauce though
[12:12] <BigRedS> Hm. I think my caffeine dependency has snuck up on me again :(
[14:02] <mungojerry> has anyone run mdadm /dev/md0 --remove detached before?
[14:02] <mungojerry> i.e. disk has been marked failed, but has been pulled
[14:02] <mungojerry> so cannot remove from array
[14:11] <popey> mungojerry, not sure, I have added and removed disks lots from md arrays
[14:11] <popey> but not anymore \o/ btrfs
[14:12] <xnox> mungojerry: there is an option to "fail" a removed disk.
[14:12]  * xnox recalls it was as if --fail
[14:12] <mungojerry> it was on a live server, i was scared
[14:12] <mungojerry> i've done it
[14:12] <mungojerry> the disk got pulled after it was failed but before it was removed from the md
[14:13] <mungojerry> so the remove instruction failed because /dev/sda no longer existed
[14:13] <mungojerry> it worked
[14:50] <diplo> popey: Do you recommend btrfs ? About to buy 2 more disks for my micro box and going to do it all over again
[14:51] <xnox> diplo: advices against btrfs in precise. The one in quantal is up to date.
[14:52] <diplo> Want to reinstall the Micro server as well, running natty atm
[14:52] <diplo> Do I go for precise for long term or quantal for newness :)
[14:55] <popey> diplo, I use btrfs with 12 disks on my microserver on 12.04 using the 3.6 kernel
[14:55] <popey> Linux homeserver 3.6.0-030600rc4-generic #201209011435 SMP Sat Sep 1 18:36:00 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[14:55] <popey> that one
[14:56] <diplo> No issues ?
[14:57] <xnox> popey: did you compile btrfs-tools from source?
[14:57] <mungojerry> anyone know how i change the flame logo for xscreensaver ?
[14:58] <mungojerry> when i'm unlocking the screen
[14:58] <diplo> directhex: More that cat pic is doing my head in :D
[14:58] <directhex> :D
[14:58] <diplo> No new tweets to scrool it down :P
[14:58] <directhex> i am the master of cat gifs
[14:58] <diplo> scroll*
[14:58] <directhex> you should retweet it.
[14:58] <diplo> hah, and then it'll be in my feed for longer
[14:58] <diplo> Well at least it'll annoy someone else :D
[14:58] <popey> xnox, I used to, now I use the package in quantal which was backported
[14:58] <directhex> depends on your client
[14:58] <popey> xnox, i rarely use the tools though
[14:59] <directhex> the main thing is how crazy my feed looks with multiple synchronized retweets
[14:59] <xnox> popey: they are used to boot the box ;-)
[14:59] <diplo> Done
[14:59] <popey>  15:01:15 up 25 days,  4:20,  1 user,  load average: 2.69, 2.98, 2.86
[14:59] <popey> like I say.. rarely
[14:59] <xnox> popey: kursk:~$ uptime
[14:59] <xnox>  14:59:37 up 278 days, 55 min,  3 users,  load average: 0.08, 0.03, 0.05
[14:59] <diplo> blimey, my load is always 0.*, what do you use yours for ?
[15:00] <popey> its doing backups
[15:00] <xnox> popey: =))) i am actually scared to reboot. Cause I don't have console access.
[15:00] <popey> heh
[15:03] <diplo> yay new tweets.. no more cat.gif
[15:03] <diplo> :P
[15:04] <popey> haha, love that gif
[15:11] <gord> i like this gif https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-g6qJ8ljFMpw/ThpukKr9hrI/AAAAAAAAEyo/vrI1lrAblxo/Oprahs-Bees.gif
[15:12] <dwatkins> gord: a friend of mine says 'bees' when she says goodbye, as in byee[s]
[15:12] <dwatkins> I shall send her that next time she says it
[15:13] <diplo> not seen that one before gord :P
[15:13] <ali1234> lol that's amazing
[15:13] <BigRedS> that gif makes no sense to me. Is there a reference I'm not getting?
[15:14] <ali1234> makes no sense?
[15:14] <BigRedS> oh good
[15:14] <ali1234> there's nothing to explain. it's just oprah releasing bees on the audience, and the audience crying in fear while oprah does an evil dance.
[15:15] <ali1234> it is what it is.
[15:15] <BigRedS> Ah, good
[15:15] <BigRedS> that's sort-of what I got out of it
[15:24] <mungojerry> its brilliant
[15:25] <mungojerry> i can't imagine any other situation where you'd see those scenes unless a load of bees had been released
[16:15] <Guest71979> hello
[16:18] <popey> hi
[16:26] <SuperMatt> word.
[16:26] <SuperMatt> ooh, the oxford circus light are going on in half an hour and I'm stuck in my office only a 2 minute walk away
[16:27] <dwatkins> ooh, I wonder if they're turning on the lights in Edinburgh today too
[16:27] <shauno> lights?
[16:27] <SuperMatt> christmas lights
[16:27] <dwatkins> ah, 29th Nov here in Edinburgh
[16:28] <dwatkins> I guess it must be darker down south ;)
[16:45] <mgdm> they're putting Xmas lights on on the 5th of Nov?
[16:46] <mgdm> WTF?
[16:46] <SuperMatt> this is london
[16:46] <mgdm> loonies
[16:46] <SuperMatt> it's the centre of commercialism for the country, they have to get in there early
[16:48] <gord> its below 10 degrees, must be xmas
[16:49] <mungojerry> because halloween is finished
[16:49] <gord> most people tend to wait for fireworks night to be done with at least
[16:51] <SuperMatt> weeell, it's fireworks night tonight, technically, but most places did their stuff on saturday
[16:51] <directhex> argh, fireworks night /o\
[16:51] <SuperMatt> so it makes christmas fair game
[16:52] <SuperMatt> according to oxford circus
[16:53] <mungojerry> people forget that fworks night is about the death of a terrorist and the aversion of a plot
[16:55] <SuperMatt> it's about standing up to corrupt governments
[16:55] <SuperMatt> it can be seen many ways :P
[16:57] <daubers> mungojerry: remember remember the 5th of November
[16:58]  * daubers intends to sit down with a bag of popcorn and V for Vendetta this evneing
[17:00]  * popey suspects schwuk_uds isn't at UDS anymore
[17:01] <popey> :)
[17:03] <brobostigon> what is the syntax for using pastebinit, to pastebin the output from apt-get? i cant remember.
[17:04] <mgdm> apt-get install blah | pastebinit
[17:04] <mgdm> I would guess
[17:04] <mgdm> apt-get install blah 2>&1 | pastebinit
[17:05] <mgdm> might be better
[17:05] <brobostigon> ok, thank you mgdm
[17:08] <brobostigon> mgdm: that is showing me no output, is that normal. ?
[17:09] <brunogirin> brobostigon: that's probably because all the output was redirected to pastebinit
[17:09] <brobostigon> brunogirin: i never understood all this properly.
[17:11] <brunogirin> brobostigon: the pipe redirects all output of the command before it to the input of the command after it so what you see is the output of the last command in the chain, in this case pastebinit
[17:12] <mgdm> so pastebinit should just ive you a URL at the end
[17:12] <brobostigon> brunogirin: ok, ummm,
[17:12] <brobostigon> mgdm: yep, it just has.
[17:12] <brunogirin> and 2>&1 redirects standard error to standard output so that both are combined hence everything is given to pastebinit
[17:12] <brobostigon> ah.
[17:13] <brunogirin> so now your pastebin should have everything
[17:14] <brobostigon> http://paste.debian.net/206675/  thats the error output i am getting, it isnt ubuntu, it is debian, but someone might know.
[17:14] <brobostigon> brunogirin: it did yes, :)
[17:15] <brunogirin> \o/
[17:17] <AlanBell> evening all
[17:17] <brobostigon> evening AlanBell
[17:17] <AlanBell> are people exploding things today?
[17:18] <brobostigon> i think the most that will be exploding here, is the fizz, out of a beer bottle.
[17:20] <Laney> explodingly fizzy beer?
[17:20] <Laney> sounds not very nice :(
[17:20]  * brunogirin contemplating opening the bottle that's in the fridge when back home
[17:21] <brobostigon> thats not quite what i meant, i just meant the fizz coming out of the bottle when opened.
[18:45] <zleap> AlanBell, just wondered if you have sent any cd's yet,  if I get some before friday I can take em to the next exeter lug meet,  no rush though ?  If they are en route i know to also expect a parcel from the postman :)
[19:13] <AlanBell> oh, erm I posted all the envelopes on release day
[19:14] <AlanBell> hope they have not gone astray
[19:16] <zleap> ok
[19:16] <zleap> me too
[19:17] <zleap> i know they charged me for a parcel to send that large packet back, which they didn't before,  i am sure if they had squashed it a bit more it would have gone through their envelope measuring thingy
[19:17] <zleap> and fallen under letter packet
[19:20] <zleap> i will check to see if the cheque has been cashed too, if not my packet went astray, which is annoying if it was en-route to you
[19:21] <AlanBell> oh, hang on, that was the one with the cheque for postage, I probably put that to one side . . .
[19:21] <zleap> yeah
[19:21] <zleap> ok np :D
[19:22] <zleap> at least you got it :)
[19:22] <ali1234> should have used bitcoins
[19:23] <zleap> bitcoins ?
[19:23] <AlanBell> the year of bitcoin for buying stuff is scheduled to follow the year of Linux on the desktop
[19:24] <ali1234> actually the hardest part is getting bitcoins at the moment
[19:25] <AlanBell> have they all been found yet?
[19:25] <ali1234> they will never all be found
[19:25] <ali1234> reward decays exponentially
[19:25] <zleap> looks interesting btw
[19:25] <zleap> so its like paypal only using  open standards
[19:25] <AlanBell> oh, ok
[19:26] <AlanBell> not like paypal
[19:26] <ali1234> no, it is nothing at all like paypal with open standards. that's called open transactions
[19:26] <zleap> ok
[19:26] <AlanBell> it is like pounds but based on nothing, unlike pounds which are based on gold that we used to have, but sold
[19:27] <ali1234> it's even less like that
[19:27] <zleap> ok
[19:27] <bootlkjkgf> AlanBell, Any chance that you've got any stickers or release DVD's left ?
[19:29] <AlanBell> loads of release DVDs
[19:29] <einonm> ali1234: I believe there is a date for all bitcoins being found, it's sometime in the next century though. So get them while they're hot
[19:30] <ali1234> the rate will drop to a negligable amounteventually
[19:30] <bootlkjkgf> Cool . what was the company website ( and thereby address to send a return envelope) ??
[19:32] <AlanBell> http://ubuntu-uk.org/free-cds/
[19:32] <AlanBell> zleap: I will send you a stack of them tomorrow
[19:35] <bootlkjkgf> AlanBell, One problem :; attaining UK stamps ?? ( IOM uses the wrong stamps for this )
[19:36] <AlanBell> erm, interesting question!
[19:36]  * bootlkjkgf hears the columns of ubuntu-uk free software distribution quaking.
[19:36] <ali1234> bitcoins
[19:37] <AlanBell> bootlkjkgf: just email me your address and I will sort it out
[19:37] <bootlkjkgf> screw bitcoins I use paypal or direct transfer .. anyway this is a stamp faire now.
[19:37] <bootlkjkgf> Oh Ok/..
[19:38] <bootlkjkgf> thanx <- Manx hack
[20:07] <zleap> AlanBell, thanks
[20:12] <Myrtti> no postcard yet?
[22:51] <bootlkjkgf> Hey the guy is a Pro ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTnfpcMiuww&feature=endscreen&NR=1
[22:59] <dogmatic69> I guess the US election is settled then.. bookies have Obama 2/9 vs Romney 3/1
[23:00] <shauno> oh that's tonight?
[23:00] <dogmatic69> tomorrowish
[23:02] <shauno> ah, of course, broken timezones
[23:05] <mgdm> not broken any more, no
[23:05] <mgdm> it's no longer daylight saving time
[23:06] <shauno> oh, I consider most timeszones broken
[23:06] <shauno> fancy having to wait until 4am for Homeland just because the americans haven't figured out how London Time works ;)
[23:09] <mgdm> heh
[23:09] <mgdm> 4am? Isn't it broadcast on C4?
[23:11] <shauno> silence may be my best policy there.  or mumble something vague about the channel lineup in the republic
[23:13] <mgdm> hehe
[23:34] <AlanBell> we find out the US election result on wednesday morning right?
[23:36] <ali1234> lolno
[23:36] <ali1234> if it's a landslide then maybe
[23:36] <ali1234> but it's likely they'll be doing recounts for days if not weeks
[23:37] <AlanBell> oh probably, plus legal challenges
[23:37] <shauno> the beeb are using the term 'cliffhanger'.  which usually means messy
[23:37] <ali1234> but yeah the voting will be done by wednesday morning
[23:38] <AlanBell> I vote we get Obama if America doesn't want him
[23:39] <shauno> I'm glad NJ isn't a 'battleground state'; they've implemented voting by email in a very short timespan, which is a fascinating precedent
[23:40] <shauno> that'd get dragged through the courts for months if it was actually a crucial vote
[23:40] <ali1234> i can't see mittens winning
[23:41] <ali1234> i think turnout will be low
[23:41] <shauno> low turnout is rarely a good thing
[23:42] <ali1234> sure. but i think more Rs will stay at home than Ds
[23:42] <shauno> if all the extremists show up with no sane people to counterbalance, that's a blessing for Romney
[23:54] <bootlkjkgf> SOME GUYS DONT VOTE FOOLS !!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd7c5tQCs1I


[22:26]  * OvenWerks wonders if Eickmeyer[k] has done any more testing with controls...
[22:27] <OvenWerks> I may have to go and buy a real USB 2.0 audio if
[22:27] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: *sigh* not quite... been busy. Getting ready to do a presentation for work for a developer conference that I was basically forced into doing. If I had my way, I wouldn't be doing it because, quite frankly, I have no idea what I'm talking about.
[22:28] <OvenWerks> I have just booted 21.04 to add: https://launchpad.net/~pipewire-debian/+archive/ubuntu/pipewire-upstream to play again with PW
[22:29] <OvenWerks> if jack<->pw bridging works as it is supposed to, it may be close to switch time
[22:30] <OvenWerks> or combine time
[22:30] <OvenWerks> sounds like you are learning on the job
[22:31] <OvenWerks> unfortunate that there is a short timeline
[22:31] <OvenWerks> updating 1464 packages :P
[22:34] <Eickmeyer> Well, there's no freewheel in 21.04's pipewire, should be by the time 21.10 comes out, but those packages are coming from Debian afaik. Debian, afaik, is still release frozen.
[22:34] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: ^
[22:34] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: thats why the ppa above
[22:34] <Eickmeyer> Oh, I see.
[22:34] <Eickmeyer> Can't put that in 21.10, but it's worth the experimentation.
[22:35] <OvenWerks> experimentation is needed to see what things I can bug wtay about
[22:35] <Eickmeyer> Yep.
[22:36] <OvenWerks> also to make sure I can use my audio device... usb audio seems to be getting worse if anything... may be true for alsa in general
[22:42] <Eickmeyer> Well, I think it's key to have a USB audio interface that is actually made for Low Latency, like the Scarlett Focusrite or the Behringer Uphoria series like I have.
[22:43] <Eickmeyer> I can run my Uphoria with 2 periods per buffer, contrary to most USB audio devices out there.
[22:43] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: ^
[22:44] <OvenWerks> I am also wondering if the _right_ USB3.0 hub might help
[22:45] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: it seems some people have no problems and others with the same device do
[22:45] <Eickmeyer> Might be the USB controller too. That's a crapshoot.
[22:45] <OvenWerks> I suspect motherboard (more so in laptops) is more a problem]
[22:45] <Eickmeyer> Mine is a laptop.
[22:46] <OvenWerks> I have had no problems with mine old one (32bit) either
[22:46] <Eickmeyer> I run my interface from a USB 3.1 hub from a USB C port.
[22:48] <OvenWerks> does it show up as the same bus as a mouse pluggdirectly in?
[23:40] <Eickmeyer> Yep.
[23:40] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: ^ (sorry, been busy with a ton of stuff, still workday for me)


 Elky has kicked him already.
[02:19] <bazhang> thanks for reporting
[03:27] <ardchoille> I have a complaint about a user in #ubuntu
[03:28] <ardchoille> the user nick is Dreadtower and he/she is changing nicks every 20 minutes back and forth.
[03:28] <ardchoille> it's annoying and I have already politely asked them to stop via PM, but it appears I was ignored.
[03:28] <ardchoille> Just letting you know about this annoying behaviour
[03:28] <ardchoille> Thank you for listening
[11:35] <bazhang> wastrel, hi, thanks for reporting
[11:42] <LjL> wastrel: yes, we know you frequent #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:42]  * LjL hugs wastrel
[11:44] <bazhang> LjL, missed you at release day
[11:45] <LjL> i know bazhang, partybot's first absence in years :( but i just didn't have the energy to set it up, and i didn't even know when release day actually was
[11:50] <LjL> i haven't specifically lost interest in interacting with you guys, fwiw, i've been feeling ill for months now, i still don't know what it is, i'm scared and all i feel like doing is sitting on the couch and filling my brain with random tv series
[11:51] <bazhang> yep
[11:51] <bazhang> well you should do whatever strikes; no need to force anything
[12:17] <wastrel> ohai
[14:30]  * genii-around sips
[15:50] <Pici> uh, okay?
[17:07] <beandog> #ubuntu - mourad http://free-unlimited-international-calls.tk/
[17:07] <beandog> plztokick
[17:07] <beandog> kthxbai
[17:07] <beandog> :)
[17:08] <bazhang> thanks beandog , he quit
[17:08] <beandog> kkthx
[17:49] <bazhang> funny how the details always come much later when trying to give support advice
[17:50] <bazhang> it's server!
[17:50] <bazhang> no, it's xubuntu!
 guys, i accidently deleted my /usr/sbin
[18:10] <bazhang> that sounds bad
[18:12] <IdleOne> reinstall.
[18:13] <genii-around> Yeah, there's not really any coming back from that
[19:05] <IdleOne> got nothing
[19:05] <Pici> ditto
[19:19] <IdleOne> !away >  a1-away


[15:00] <rbalint> o/
[15:01] <philroche> \o
[15:04]  * rcj is out
[15:05] <doko> looks quiet here ...
[15:10] <bdmurray> philroche: can you start the meeting?
[15:13] <philroche> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
[15:13] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu May 31 15:13:13 2018 UTC.  The chair is philroche. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:13] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:13] <philroche> #topic Lightning rounds
[15:13] <philroche> echo $(shuf -e slangasek bdmurray xnox tdaitx doko sil2100 rbalint infinity cyphermox mwhudson rcj philroche Odd_Bloke juliank fginther)
[15:13] <philroche> sil2100 juliank tdaitx doko Odd_Bloke cyphermox rcj philroche mwhudson xnox rbalint bdmurray slangasek infinity fginther
[15:14] <bdmurray> sil2100 is out I believe
[15:14] <bdmurray> and juliank and tdaitx
[15:14] <bdmurray> so doko?
[15:14] <philroche> fginther is out too
[15:14] <doko> - gcc-7 / gcc-8 updates again, and update the cross packges
[15:14] <doko> - python 3.7.0 beta5
[15:14] <doko> - openjdk-11 update
[15:14] <doko> - transitions continued
[15:14] <doko> - SRUs for llvm-defaults, python-pip, ncurses, binutils
[15:14] <doko> (done)
[15:15] <bdmurray> Odd_Bloke:
[15:15] <Odd_Bloke> * Partner visits last week, playing catch-up
[15:15] <Odd_Bloke> * Started work to reintroduce .tar.xz for cosmic and bionic cloud images (LP: #1585233)
[15:15] <Odd_Bloke> * Cloud image vanguarding, fixed a couple of internal build issues
[15:15] <Odd_Bloke> * Booked travel for upcoming sprints, filed expenses for sprints gone by
[15:15] <Odd_Bloke> * Worked to get python-flask to migrate in cosmic (by submitting patches to Debian)
[15:15] <Odd_Bloke> * Did some work on the python-numpy transition (submitted a patch to Debian, requested an upload of a newer version to Debian, some badtest'ing)
[15:15] <Odd_Bloke> (done)
[15:15] <Odd_Bloke> cyphermox:
[15:16] <cyphermox> argh
[15:16] <cyphermox> I'm there, just a sec
[15:16] <cyphermox> - netplan 0.38 release prep
[15:16] <cyphermox>   - fixing autopkgtests
[15:16] <cyphermox> - netplan advanced network features planning
[15:16] <cyphermox> - livecd-rootfs cleanup grub diversions
[15:16] <cyphermox> - debugging livecd-rootfs autopkgtests
[15:16] <cyphermox> - fixed update-manager high CPU usage on "reboot" dialog (bug LP: #1637180)
[15:17] <cyphermox> - debugged netplan/systemd/cloud-init renaming issue
[15:17] <cyphermox>   - submitted udev patch to follow renames in config .link files
[15:17] <cyphermox>   - patched netplan (for SRU) to rename using udev rules
[15:17] <cyphermox>   - identified cloud-init issue breaking rename in some scenarios (LP: #1773397)
[15:17] <cyphermox> (done)
[15:17] <rcj> rcj:
[15:18] <rcj> * cloud image build machinery and skulduggery
[15:18] <rcj> * skunkworks
[15:18] <rcj> (done)
[15:18] <rcj> philroche:
[15:18] <philroche> * CPC build system vanguard
[15:18] <philroche> * Cloud image update verification
[15:18] <philroche> (done)
[15:18] <philroche> xnox:
[15:18] <xnox> * finishing up v238 systemd merge
[15:18] <xnox> * uploaded a few / & /usr file path conflict resolutions
[15:18] <xnox> * btrfs-progs migrated to testing and cosmic
[15:18] <xnox> * mdadm validated and looks mostly good
[15:18] <xnox>  - however, there is still grub-install 4k bug to investigate
[15:19] <xnox>  - help needed with it bug #1758038
[15:19] <xnox> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1758038
[15:19] <xnox> team ^ help wanted =)
[15:20] <xnox> done, next
[15:20] <rbalint>  (short week)
[15:20] <rbalint> * fixes to gce-compute-image-packages in Trusty
[15:20] <rbalint> * fix frequently crashing update-manager in bionic (on review, LP: #1773316 and many other duplicates)
[15:20] <rbalint> * work i can't report here
[15:20] <rbalint> * discussions about the full unattended-upgrades 1.2 SRU
[15:20] <rbalint> (done)
[15:20] <bdmurray> submitted RT re reallocation of retracer units (failed queue to regular queue)
[15:20] <bdmurray> modified error tracker charms to improve setting / switching of cassandra server
[15:20] <bdmurray> tested switching of cassandra server in staging Error Tracker
[15:20] <bdmurray> added upstream developers to the Error Tracker
[15:20] <bdmurray> review and merging of paelzer's britney SRU hints merge proposals
[15:20] <bdmurray> tested distribution upgrade bug 1769954 again?
[15:20] <bdmurray> replied to mojo spec RT re success of switching servers
[15:20] <bdmurray> uploaded lsvpd fixing lsmcode (LP: #1751986)
[15:20] <bdmurray> fix apport CVE bug LP: #1746668
[15:20] <bdmurray> uploaded Bionic apport SRU fixing (LP: #1766794, 1766740, 1769262, 1773012)
[15:20] <bdmurray> short week due to some holiday
[15:21] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[15:21] <bdmurray> slangasek:
[15:21] <slangasek> hi
[15:21] <slangasek>  * short week, customer travel and bank holiday
[15:22] <slangasek>  * and under the weather
[15:22] <slangasek>  * worked on moving ubuntu seeds to git branches
[15:22] <slangasek>  * worked on unsticking proposed-migration transitions (largely without success)
[15:22] <slangasek> (done)
[15:23] <philroche> infinity:
[15:25] <bdmurray> fginther is out right?
[15:25] <philroche> Correct. Moving on to AOB
[15:25] <philroche> #topic AOB
[15:28] <bdmurray> Nothing from me
[15:30] <rbalint> i's like to get feedback on u-u sru
[15:31] <rbalint> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2018-May/004479.html
[15:31] <rbalint> i'd
[15:31] <rbalint> so we we can move it forward
[15:38] <bdmurray> I'll try and take a look at it, but maybe we should just discuss it at the sprint.
[15:38] <rbalint> bdmurray, ok, thanks!
[15:40] <philroche> Thank you all
[15:40] <philroche> #endmeeting
[15:40] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu May 31 15:40:46 2018 UTC.
[15:40] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2018/ubuntu-meeting.2018-05-31-15.13.moin.txt
[16:18] <tribaal> damn I missed it!


[02:05] <Hunhow> I’ve installed an 8Gb RAM stick which BIOS registers but Lubuntu only registers around 5
[02:06] <Hunhow> HardInfo states 6094884KiB
[02:07] <dzho> is some shared with an onboard graphics card?
[02:08] <Hunhow> It’s an APU. Not sure how it would be sharing though.
[02:08] <dzho> oh
[02:09] <Hunhow> Just made this install.
[02:09] <Hunhow> Installed generic graphics drivers but this was an issue before that.
[03:47] <Hunhow> I can’t get to GRUB
 @Hunhow [<Hunhow> I can’t get to GRUB], Boot-Repair by Yannubuntu
 There's some spooky weird magical encantation in there but it works EVERY. TIME.
[04:59] <hajthem> hi
[04:59] <hajthem> is there anyone here?
[05:14] <hajthem> goyim
[05:18] <guiverc> hajthem, do you have a question?
[11:07] <noname> heloo
[14:16] <Hunhow> How do I check if I installed 32 bit because I think that’s my RAM issue since Virtualbox only shows 32 bit systems.
[14:17] <diogenes_> run: arch
[14:17] <diogenes_> terminal
[14:17] <Hunhow> x86_64 is 32 bit isn’t it
[14:17] <diogenes_> and virtualbox shows 32 bit only if virtualization is disabled in bios.
[14:18] <Hunhow> Oh.
[14:18] <diogenes_> x86_64 is 64 bit
[14:18] <diogenes_> X86 is 32
[14:19] <Hunhow> Hm.. yeah Lubuntu doesn’t register 2Gb of my ram. I have 8 installed but Hardinfo shows 6Gb and Htop shows 5.81
[14:20] <Hunhow> BIOS registers all 8
[14:22] <diogenes_> inxi -m in terminal
[14:23] <Hunhow> 5.81Gb total
[14:24] <diogenes_> then it's ok.
[14:24] <Hunhow> Shows that in Dimm2 there is 8Gb
[23:23] <Guest50994> hey


[15:00] <arraybolt3> In #lubuntu, a user named "aluno" has caused disruption a few times, flooding, speaking in the wrong language, saying inappropriate things in non-English languages, and now most recently claming to be the admin the #lubuntu server (? It's a channel, not a server, but whatever). Given his track record of disruption, I think it would be in our best interest to permanently ban him from the channel.
[15:00] <arraybolt3> *admin of the #lubuntu server
[15:09]  * arraybolt3 has to go afk, so if I don't leave the channel after this is dealt with, just issue a kick
[15:36] <arraybolt3> OK, back.
[16:44] <ogra> hmm, why des ubottu lately have the channel name attached to its nick in all channels ? this makes an awfully long nickname and i have to move my marker line in hexchat far to the right which massively wastes screen space
[17:31] <krytarik> ogra: Well, we've switched it to use notices rather than normal messages for the bug snarfing output, and you should know the alignment issue from queuebot in -release which also uses notices for its output. :>  (That is to say, while I was still using XChat back in the day, that was an issue for me as well..)
[17:45] <ogra> krytarik, indeed i know it from -release, but that was the only channel so far ...
[17:53] <krytarik> It also follows Debian's zwiebelbot in the use of notices btw, so I feel like while it's been using regular messages there for the longest time, it's more proper and as one would expect to use notices on it too now.


 I consider myself fairly knowlegable but going nuts with the installation of a USB printer in 22.10
 where can I get the best help?
[13:27] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[16:47] <user|94> How to install grub editor


[01:58]  * fagan needs to talk to marjo tomorrow because I have an idea about a qa news thing
[02:01] <persia> fagan: What's the idea? (and wouldn't -quality be a better channel)?
[02:04] <czajkowski> persia: aloha
[02:05] <persia> Hey czajkowski
[02:06] <fagan> persia: I just want to make an "application" for qa
[02:06] <fagan> just to display what needs testing
[02:06] <fagan> I just realised that chrome has an easy way to do just that
[02:07] <fagan> jcastro is doing something just like that
[02:07] <fagan> he made a package with gmail..etc and it installs them into the menu and opens them like normal applicaions in the menu
[02:08] <persia> Bascially, some notification that tells the user what stuff is up for testing?
[02:08] <fagan> well yep
[02:08] <fagan> they just go to the menu and click ubuntu testing and it opens a page with a list
[02:09] <persia> Well, if you're just referencing some website (which can be simple or complex), using a chromium hook or prism is a reasonable solution.
[02:09] <persia> But that won't give you push-notifications.
[02:09] <persia> You could do something with RSS, perhaps, so subscribers would be notified.
[02:09] <persia> Or a panel applet that would send a notification.
[02:09] <fagan> well that was my original idea
[02:09] <persia> There was a UDS session about this sort of thing, if I remember correctly
[02:09]  * persia checks
[02:10] <fagan> to do a full on program that notifies
[02:10] <fagan> but that would be a lot of effort for developers
[02:10] <fagan> persia: we had one to increase participation in testing
[02:11] <persia> Well, not necessarily.  There's free code out there to do 95% of anything above.
[02:11] <fagan> It would be effort for the developers asking for the testing
[02:11] <fagan> the way im suggesting all we need is a wiki
[02:11] <persia> Right.   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/TestingTeam
[02:13] <fagan> we talked about it in the qa meeting last week, so all we need to do is let everyone know where the wiki is and get them to add to it
[02:13] <fagan> that would make it simple on everyone
[02:15] <fagan> I just want to know which way would be best the simple way or the harder yet could be better way
[02:15] <persia> That would certainly help.
[02:16] <persia> My personal recommendation is to engage bugsquad and #ubuntu for specific things.
[02:16] <fagan> So we could include a program for testing releases that just points to info about what needs testing
[02:16] <persia> There's usually lots of people who wouldn't mind helping with something small, but aren't sure they can commit to being a regular part of the team.
[02:16] <fagan> thats the idea
[02:17] <fagan> anyway im off to bed its late
[02:17] <persia> Good night.
[06:24] <ara> good morning all!
[06:25] <drizzle> morning
[06:25] <Grantbow> good evenign ara!
[06:25] <Grantbow> *evening
[06:26] <ara> hey Grantbow :)
[06:27] <Grantbow> ara: We finished our evening LoCo meeting.  It's almost 22:30 here
[06:28] <ara> Grantbow, nice, how did it go?
[06:29] <Grantbow> ara: made made some progress.  akgraner and I mentioned testing and fielded a few questions
[06:29] <Grantbow> not sure if the log is online yet.
[06:29] <ara> Grantbow, was it at #ubuntu-meeting?
[06:33] <Grantbow> no, #ubuntu-california
[06:33] <Grantbow> I'm working on posting the meeting to our wiki page
[06:33] <Grantbow> It will be here in a little while https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/09December13
[06:43] <ara> Grantbow, OK, I will read it later today :-)
[06:44] <ara> Grantbow, I have seen that you are coordinating with ScottRitchie for the wiki changes, that's awesome :)
[06:46] <Grantbow> ara: He and I met twice here in California last week and talked about changes, yeah.
[06:46] <ara> Grantbow, nice :)
[07:47] <ara> mvo, morning
[07:47] <mvo> hey ara! good morning
[07:48] <ara> mvo, I plan to upgrade my main machine today to Lucid, are there any "don't do it" bugs around I might know?
[07:50] <mvo> ara: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/automatic-upgrade-testing/
[07:50] <mvo> ara: results from yesterday look ok :)
[07:50] <ara> mvo, nice, thanks!
[07:50] <mvo> ara: I haven't done bug triage this monring yet, if you wait ~2-3h more, than I can say more, but I suspect its ok
[07:51] <ara> mvo, OK, I guess I can wait :)
[07:59] <Grantbow> ara: luckily the announcements went first.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/09December13
[08:00] <ara> Grantbow, cool
[08:23] <fagan> morning
[08:24] <fagan> ara: cool idea using http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Applications
[08:26] <ara> morning fagan
[08:30] <ara> fagan, I just replied again. I think Regression Testing is a better term for what Scott's is explaining
[08:36] <fagan> ara: I have a package made on my local machine that makes an applicaion (using chrome) for to go to http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Applications
[08:36] <fagan> it just points to the wiki
[08:37] <ara> fagan, :-)
[08:37] <fagan> I stole the idea from jcastro
[08:38] <fagan> he did it for gmail..etc, I just changed the address
[08:42] <fagan> ara: it looks like this http://twitpic.com/tgxzg
[08:42] <fagan> hehe
[08:43] <ara> nice :)
[08:43] <ara> watching the big bang theory :D
[08:43] <fagan> actually same here
[08:43] <fagan> weird :)
[08:45] <ara> fagan, no, I meant that YOU are watching :D
[08:46] <ara> fagan, I saw it in your screenshot
[08:46] <fagan> Oh hehe
[08:47] <fagan> im just keeping busy before college
[08:48]  * fagan is testing totem in lucid too :D
[09:34] <davmor2> Morning All
[09:39] <czajkowski> Aloha
[10:09] <davmor2> czajkowski: how's things
[10:10] <czajkowski> davmor2: not bad thanks, yourself?
[10:11] <davmor2> cool thanks
[10:26] <ara> hey davmor2, czajkowski
[10:54] <davmor2> ara: how's things?
[10:54] <ara> davmor2, good thanks :-) upgrading to lucid now :)
[11:03] <czajkowski> I'm gonna hold off a bit
[11:03] <czajkowski> I want my mini 9 hardy to upgrade to lucid.
[11:12] <davmor2> ara: looks like it worked then
[11:13] <ara> well, more or less...  let's start seeing if every thing works...
[11:13] <ara> to start with... nvidia drivers were not activated by default
[11:13] <ara> is that normal, mvo? ^
[11:14] <ara> sounds works, \o/
[11:17] <davmor2> ara: you make it sound like the sound didn't :)
[11:20]  * ara types ubuntu-bug xorg
[11:24] <ara> launchpad times out :-) nice....
[11:24] <ara> morning pedro_
[11:25] <pedro_> hi ara, good morning!
[11:34] <ara> dist-upgrade happiness (bug 496497)
[11:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 496497 in xorg "[nvidia] After upgrading to Lucid from Karmic, X crashed " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/496497
[11:38]  * ara reboots
[12:21] <fagan> ara: the nvidia thing is the driver not being packaged well if you use the one from their website it works
[12:22] <fagan> The only problem I have is the new RGBA stuff that the desktop team want testing
[12:24] <ara> thanks fagan, I saw that. I will wait for ubuntu packages later this week
[12:25] <fagan> That is going to be a nightmare to test
[12:39]  * ara -> lunch
[13:52] <davmor2> morning fader_ cr3
[13:52] <fader_> davmor2: Howdy dude
[13:53] <ara> morning fader_, cr3
[13:53] <cr3> hiya folks!
[13:53] <fader_> ara: Good morning :)
[13:54] <fader_> cr3: Aren't you on holiday today?
[13:54] <davmor2> fader_: he's a glutton for punishment
[13:54] <fader_> davmor2: He just couldn't stay away from you, I think
[13:54] <fader_> Or he wants a baguette.
[13:55] <fader_> Er, s/baguette/croissant/
[13:55] <cr3> fader_: yep, this is holiday time for me! however, I need to finish some salesforce work today, so here I am
[14:07] <moustafa> fader_, cr3, davmor2: Je voudrais un croissant!
[14:07] <cr3> moustafa: what?
[14:07] <fader_> cr3: He's very popular.
[14:08] <moustafa> Really, I'd like a croissant, but the people downstairs are serving breakfast and they're making me feel bad for wanting to go to the little cafeteria and get a croissant
[14:08] <cr3> fader_: we get free grub (not the boot loader) and coffee in the office building today, now you know why I come to the office on my holidays
[14:09] <fader_> Hehe
[14:09] <cr3> "free" is my favorite flavour
[14:10] <davmor2> morning moustafa
[14:12]  * davmor2 has coffee on tap all day :D
[14:13] <cr3> moustafa: the frogurt is cursed
[14:16] <moustafa> http://www.crispygamer.com/comics/backward/backward-2009-10-12.aspx
[14:41] <davmor2> moustafa: rebbit
[14:43] <moustafa> davmor2: I take it you tried the "open sorcery" term on a time-travelling sorcerer?
[14:43] <davmor2> rebbit
[14:44] <moustafa> davmor2: We're contacting the nearest princess to come for the cure, so if I were you, I'd pray she's pretty
[14:44] <davmor2> :D that's quite a good old joke
[14:48] <moustafa> cr3: Perl was coded by a madman
[14:50] <davmor2> moustafa:  cr3 didn't code perl at all take that back instantly ;)
[14:50] <moustafa> davmor2: Then allow me to correct myself: Perl was coded by another madman
[14:51] <cr3> davmor2: I knew the interpreter inside out though, enough to extend the language to encrypt programs for commercial distribution.
[14:51] <cr3> davmor2: so, the fact I could relate to the source code of the interpreter so well might suggest there is more than one madman in this world
[14:52] <davmor2> cr3: allow me to introduce you to barbie at the birmingham perl mongers sometime :D
[14:53] <cr3> I love how the perl community is so colourful!
[14:54] <moustafa> davmor2: Perl mongers?  Why is it that I imagine they wear heavy war armour when they meet.  Alternatively, why is it I see geeks in armani suits trying to sell Perl to warring countries?
[14:57] <valix> hi all
[14:57] <moustafa> Hello valix
[16:16] <davmor2> sbeattie: you about?
[16:17] <sbeattie> davmor2: I am, though I'm making breakfast.
[16:18] <davmor2> are there any other platforms that you want sru's on or is it just hardy?
[16:19] <sbeattie> davmor2: hardy's probably the short term priority, though help on any of the releases would be great.
[16:20] <davmor2> sbeattie: I'm also assuming that 32 and 64 is good and server on both too right?
[16:27] <sbeattie> davmor2: perhaps I'm not understanding your question properly, but 8.04.4 test isos aren't being built yet.
[16:54] <davmor2> sbeattie: sorry away I want to test some sru's on hardy I'm assuming the easiest way is to install .3 and update then enable propose and check of the sru list for hardy if that makes sense?
[16:54] <sbeattie> yeah, that works.
[16:55] <davmor2> Right so I'll start that tomorrow then.
[22:06] <moustafa> cr3, fader_ see you tomorrow
[22:06] <fader_> moustafa: See ya
[22:06] <cr3> moustafa: see ya dude
[22:49] <czajkowski> well that's a bit annoying, report a bug, it gets marked as a dup fair enough, then you get told to check out the other bug, but that's private and you can't :(
[22:52] <bsmith1> is it proper testing procedure to virtualize the iso and test that way?
[23:04] <sbeattie> czajkowski: which bug?
[23:09] <czajkowski> sbeattie: bug 494899
[23:09] <ubot4> czajkowski: Bug 494899 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/494899 is private
[23:10] <czajkowski> which isn't very helpful when it tells me to go add to it :(
[23:12] <sbeattie> czajkowski: agreed. There was some discussion at UDS around addressing that, but I don't recall what the result was.
[23:12] <sbeattie> czajkowski: bug 494899 is no longer private.
[23:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 494899 in software-center "software-center crashed with NoSectionError in set()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/494899
[23:12] <czajkowski> sbeattie: thank you
[23:13] <czajkowski> sbeattie: not sure I can add more to it, but it was just annoying to be told mine was a dupicate, go add to this, when I couldnt


[08:33] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:52] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:54] <penguin42> Hey BK
[12:08] <jlbhshluekg> .
[12:08] <jlbhshluekg> did usa intelligence supply isis with weapons like they did with al-qaeda to justify creating wars?
[12:08] <jlbhshluekg> did usa excute the creative mess in the middle east like they said they will, does the creative mess include explosions with uncertain responsibles to create wars?
[12:08] <jlbhshluekg> plz, send my qs to help limiting usa & israel aggression against others& may then lessen number of people killed in the middle east.
[12:08] <jlbhshluekg> .did usa intelligence supply isis with weapons like they did with al-qaeda to justify creating wars?
[13:00] <skjones> test
[14:14] <BluesKaj> still no 15.10 talk anywhere
[14:17] <KDDA> give it time :P
[14:18] <BluesKaj> usuallyy by this time after a release there's a repo with some packages available for the next one
[14:19] <lordievader> I guess they wait till the UDS.
[14:19] <KDDA> I thought the devs were working on getting new k apps into 15.04 before branching to 15.10
[14:19]  * BluesKaj is sitting here with 2 Vivid installs on separate HDDs
[14:20] <BluesKaj> well, that's possible since 15.04 sure needs to be worked on, IMO it was released somewhat early
[14:26] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I've run KDE on Fedora22 as well, and the Ubuntu KDE5 isn't any worse
[14:28] <BluesKaj> penguin42, ok, any system settings freezes for example? , just had one here
[14:28] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Hmm, I don't think I've seen that
[14:31] <BluesKaj> using plasma 5.3 here
[14:32] <penguin42> still got the standard vv 5.2 here
[14:33] <penguin42> BluesKaj: My main machine is running xfce now, and this one which I keep irc and a few other things on is the one running KDE
[14:33] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I do have one annoying thing I've not found;   opening a URL from konsole tries to open it as a file rather than sending it to firefox
[14:34] <lordievader> penguin42: I've seen that too, rather annoying.
[14:34] <BluesKaj> yeah, had to copy and paste
[14:37] <BluesKaj> just tried www.google.com in the konsole and highlighting and rightclick "open URL" worked in FF
[14:38] <lordievader> Hmm, perhaps it is fixed in 5.3. Haven't yet tested that bit.
[14:38] <BluesKaj> open link rather
[19:06] <solsTiCe> hi. what iso / VM could I run to test the new snap package thing
[19:06] <k1l_> nothing so far
[19:11] <solsTiCe> I found this KVM img http://releases.ubuntu.com/15.04/ubuntu-15.04-snappy-amd64-generic.img.xz
[19:12] <k1l_> iirc we have the snappy base systems (like for rpi2 etc) and click packages (on the ubuntu touch phone system). but we dont have the snappy package system running so far
[20:02] <solsTiCe> k1l_: ok