[00:00] <plongshot> deltab:  What is the difference between /usr/local/bin and /usr/local/sbin
[00:00] <plongshot> Sounds like /usr/local/sbin is more appropriate in my case
[00:05] <oceanquake> plongshot: sbin is typically where "system administration" type stuff goes, whereas bin would be for anything; that being said, this is a matter of convention
[00:07] <deltab> plongshot: man hier  lists various directories and what they're for
[01:21] <resixian> At boot, I am greeted by a black screen with mouse cursor only. If I vtswitch away from login manager and back, then the login screen is visible. This also happens if i logout from an x11 session. Using Nvidia (1080ti)
[01:21] <resixian> *after boot
[01:22] <resixian> nvidia drviers 418.56 (i've tried several versions) and i've tried gdm and lightdm
[01:48] <[rg]> what is the way to maintain packages on an external drive with apt? is it possible?
[01:52] <brianx> [rg]: mount your external harddrive as /bin /sbin /lib etcetera. or just mount it as the filesystem root.
[01:55] <[rg]> brianx: I can mount more than once? I wouldt want to get managled packages
[01:55] <OerHeks> rsync your /var/cache/apt/archives/ , maybe with grsync as a gui
[01:57] <[rg]> hmm, might try anohter way then
[01:57] <brianx> [rg]: you can mount your hard drive every time you boot your machine.  why wouldn't you be able to mount it?
[01:58] <[rg]> I want to access stuff from /bin on my system and the external drive, so mounting wont work
[01:58] <[rg]> I shouldve mentioned that before
[01:58] <[rg]> does anyone use ubuntu support? do you know if they'd be willing to work with custom kernels?
[01:59] <Psil0Cybin> custom kernels like home made?
[02:01] <brianx> [rg]: then you'll have to symbolic link.  apt won't maintain that but the files will be on the drive you move them to.  what you're asking for makes zero sense though.
[02:06] <ausjke> where to find a minimal ubuntu-server? the default one is already 4GB (only added openssh-server)? why do I need all those cloud* stuff by default? can I choose not to have them?
[02:08] <ausjke> i need a minimal ubuntu server,can I customize it somehow
[02:10] <brianx> you can do apt remove {package you don't need}
[02:10] <ausjke> brianx: yes but that's super long list...it would be nice to let me choose packages to install like debian
[02:10] <brianx> bummer.
[02:11] <brianx> you could always install debian.  that's my main os and i'm quite happy with it.
[02:11] <ausjke> yes doing that
[02:11] <ausjke> since desktop is ubuntu i kind of use ubuntu on the server
[02:11] <brianx> 👍  good job.
[02:11] <[rg]> ausjke: ubuntu minimal install + one of the ubuntu metapackages is pretty small
[02:12] <[rg]> I've used that for chroot enviroments
[02:12] <ausjke> what do you mean 'ubuntu minimal'
[02:12] <ausjke> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[02:13] <[rg]> yep
[02:13] <ausjke> thanks that seems like the minimal debian cd, let me try that
[02:14] <Psil0Cybin> yea tbh i use debian as a main oS
[02:15] <Psil0Cybin> very happy with it, really stable
[02:15] <Psil0Cybin> my 25 cents.
[02:15] <ausjke> debian server yes, desktop last time i checked ubuntu supports multi screen etc better
[02:16] <brianx> completely agree Psil0Cybin.  ubuntu is for systems at work, they standardized on it for some reason.
[02:16] <ausjke> but yes i love debian, some servers are running server
[02:17] <ausjke> by the way, ibm bought redhat, i have been thinking microsoft/amazon/google might buy canonical one day, wait and see
[02:17] <brianx> ausjke: you're on the right screen right now.  netflix is fullscreen to your left and vnc into a game of freeciv is on the leftmost monitor.  what more can you want?
[02:18] <ausjke> brianx: debian 10?
[02:18] <Psil0Cybin> brianx, i noticed that at my last work place...Ubuntu standard desktop, I mean it is good for new employees who need to get used to linux
[02:18] <Psil0Cybin> plenty of doucmentation but little do they know its built off deby :) mmm
[02:18] <Psil0Cybin> woops spelling went out the window.
[02:18] <brianx> ausjke: 9.9 currently.  10 is too new for me.
[02:19] <brianx> Psil0Cybin: they're mac on the desktop for technical people or managers and windows for everyone else.  no linux on desktops unfortunately.
[02:20] <Psil0Cybin> brianx, thats interesting thats like my NEW workplace
[02:20] <Psil0Cybin> LOL
[02:20] <ausjke> my companies lots of ubuntu though
[02:20] <Psil0Cybin> although its the managers that blasted get the mac laptops :P
[02:20] <ausjke> esp for developers that is
[02:20] <Psil0Cybin> I wanted one, but noooo im a programmer!
[02:20] <Psil0Cybin> assholes :P
[02:20] <brianx> fortunately you can bring your own mushrooms and byod as well.  progressive company in some ways.
[02:21] <ausjke> the least you can run linux inside virtualbox
[02:21] <Psil0Cybin> your an asshole :P its an old nickname good sir
[02:21] <Psil0Cybin> from my wild days
[02:21] <Psil0Cybin> :)
[02:21] <Psil0Cybin> i think they would kick me out freshprince of belair styles if i came to work on mushrooms
[02:21] <brianx> nothing wrong with a little bit of mushrooms.
[02:22] <Psil0Cybin> brianx, :) i like your approach.
[02:22] <Psil0Cybin> you must be agile.
[02:22] <brianx> exactly.  thinking outside the box.
[02:22] <ausjke> whenever i hear agile i standup
[02:22]  * brianx gives ausjke some agile.
[02:23] <ausjke> meething time, then you sprint, and spike it
[02:23] <Psil0Cybin> xD people make fun of me for standing up @ work i was asked if i could see the monitor better... i said it gives me a new perspective on the situation
[02:23] <brianx> haha, good.
[02:23] <ausjke> all under the leadership or scrum bastards
[02:23] <Psil0Cybin> LOL
[02:23] <Psil0Cybin> you guys make me laugh wow...i missed IRC
[02:24] <brianx> fail fast, fail often.
[02:24] <Psil0Cybin> LOL
[02:24] <Psil0Cybin> I call it the Touch the hot stove methodology.
[02:24] <Psil0Cybin> hurts doesnt it?
[02:24] <brianx> i'm old enough to know better.
[02:24] <Psil0Cybin> so you dont just lick things and ask questions later correct?
[02:25]  * ausjke is making a chromebook today with minimal-ubuntu(debian) + chrome, nothing more
[02:25] <brianx> hence debian 9 on my desktop.
[02:25] <Psil0Cybin> is that what you implied?
[02:25] <brianx> lick mushrooms, ask questions after.
[02:25] <Psil0Cybin> well debian doesnt have the same cooky names as Ubuntu
[02:25] <Psil0Cybin> what are we on when it comes to Ubuntu? Fuzzy Fantanasium?
[02:25] <ausjke> however chrome can see all file:/// so your filesystem is naked, no way to hide that, need squash it to readonly
[02:26] <Psil0Cybin> brianx, dont get me fired now
[02:26] <Psil0Cybin> ill come into work anyway im agile
[02:26] <brianx> ok, portobella only for you Psil0Cybin
[02:27] <Psil0Cybin> im more of a shitake man
[02:27] <Psil0Cybin> but yes any mushroom is delicious....1up
[02:27] <brianx> so many choices.  fail fast.
[02:29] <Psil0Cybin> now i just need to find an agile woman
[02:29] <Psil0Cybin> and ill be a pro miester.
[02:30] <brianx> who do you think is playing civ with me on the left monitor?
[02:30] <Psil0Cybin> lucky bastard :P
[02:30] <Psil0Cybin> and here i am p[laying wiht my self.
[02:31] <brianx> i'd be luckier if she was here or i was there.
[02:31] <brianx> but that's getting a bit off topic.  should stick to shitakes.
[02:35] <Psil0Cybin> yea i figured dont want to get the tsk tsk finger pointing at me again :(
[02:35] <DOSfan> back.
[02:35] <Psil0Cybin> they force peop[le like me into ubuntu offtopic
[02:35] <Psil0Cybin> :(
[02:35] <Psil0Cybin> more like put me under the rug.
[02:36] <ausjke> so xorg the minimal package is enough to run a browser, what's the package of wayland to do that? 'sudo apt install weston'?
[02:36] <Psil0Cybin> but also brianx I DONT KNOW ANYTHING you cant prove anything!!!
[02:37] <brianx> i'm still trying to figure out why [rg] wanted to install packages on an external drive.  but they left apparently.
[02:38] <Psil0Cybin> lol yea i kinda want ot know the answer to that also rn
[02:40] <magic_ninja_work> heh
[02:40] <magic_ninja_work> that is a pretty strange approach.
[02:41] <magic_ninja_work> I mean, if you want a portable application that isn't installed then have a portable application with your libraries included and written in something like C.
[02:41] <ausjke> 2GB with minimal server, swapfile takes 400MB even though I did not choose it
[02:41] <magic_ninja_work> Unless they were referring to a persistent bootable USB
[02:41] <ausjke> /var/lib/apt is 200MB
[02:41] <magic_ninja_work> ausjke, are you trying to get even more minimal?
[02:42] <ausjke> magic_ninja_work: yes i need run many of them on vps
[02:42] <ausjke> maybe docker+chrome is a better idea, trying to get a chromebook running in the cloud basically, the smaller the better
[02:43] <ausjke> or a server with lxc running the same chrome in rootfs
[02:43] <magic_ninja_work> probably. I'm not sure about getting ubuntu to be that minimalistic.
[02:43] <magic_ninja_work> May I PM you?
[02:43] <ausjke> why not, free world
[02:43] <magic_ninja_work> it is just polite to ask.
[02:43] <brianx> magic_ninja_work: bootable usb would have made sense.  as would something like a portable firefox/tor on usb.
[02:43] <ausjke> thanks
[03:16] <StAugustine> Hey guys, I'm on Ubuntu-budgie on my iMac 12,1, and I'm trying to get an "Elgato Thunderbolt 2 Dock" working. I don't know where I read that it worked fine under linux before I bought it, but now I'm stuck with it. Does anybody know anything about Thunderbolt 2 docks? I'm not at that machine now, but if someone has some links for me to chase down and read, I'd be super appreciative.
[03:18] <cgi> on my lenovo x1, there is no bluetooth on ubuntu - does anyone know how to fix this?
[03:35] <ausjke> debian minimal is 800MB comparing to ubuntu's 2GB, nice
[03:35] <gogeta> ?
[03:43] <brianx> wow, and i thought linux was getting bloated when it didn't fit on 1.44mb anymore. :-/
[03:44] <uRock> ausjke, the 2GB is the live image.
[03:44] <ausjke> nope i mean after installation
[03:45] <uRock> gotcha
[03:45] <ausjke> after pull in chrome it doubles to 1.6GB :(
[03:45] <uRock> lol
[03:45] <ausjke> not sure how midori is for surfing these days, must be much smaller
[03:47] <uRock> I'm using Firefox-ESR that came with Debian.
[03:47] <OerHeks> interesting, why such old browser .. oh debian
[03:48] <DOSfan> I use Midori web brower here too. :)
[03:48] <OerHeks> DOSfan, so you do not use ubuntu either?
[03:48] <OerHeks> interesting
[03:49] <uRock> I use ubuntu.
[03:49] <uRock> Just not right this minute.
[03:49] <DOSfan> OerHeks:  No I am running Ubuntu  .. version 16 .. I also use that default web browser that comes with Ubuntu.
[03:50] <OerHeks> oh, they give a snap now https://snapcraft.io/midori
[03:50] <DOSfan> and Firefox (current ver : 68.0)
[03:50] <ausjke> even midori pulls in 500MB
[03:51] <uRock> OerHeks, Browses the web just fine. Doesn't eat RAM like the version that comes with ubuntu.
[03:51] <ausjke> can someone use golang to write a browser so I can have a 60MB binary without all those hundreds of MB dependencies
[03:53] <DOSfan> OerHeks:  yes Midori is also a snap too .. it also makes an snap entry ... /snap/midori/452 .. which shows up in the Gnome resource monitor ... or by the terminal command 'snap list --all'.
[03:53] <ausjke> so, with midori it's 1.5GB, with chrome it's 1.6GB, what the
[03:54] <ausjke> back to chrome
[03:54] <DOSfan> Midori is only taking up 10Meg of memory .. very small initial loading memory ... Firfox is like 80+Meg easy.
[03:54] <uRock> ausjke, , they're hell compared to what they used to be.
[03:55] <ausjke> to be fair there are about 200MB left-over that apt remove chrome can not get rid of even with apt clean/apt remove
[03:55] <ausjke> maybe lynx can run on a small fddev with some graphic rendering one day
[03:55] <DOSfan> what hard drive / CPU settup do you guys have running .. and what Ubuntu version? ... do any of you use the KDE evrinment or Plasma ?
[03:56] <ausjke> i thought kde is for europe and gnome is for usa...
[03:56] <DOSfan> I use Ubuntu on a SSD Xeon box and a AMD dual cpu (this computer).
[03:56] <uRock> DOSfan, I was using Kubuntu 18.04 for quite some time
[03:56] <ausjke> xps8300 ubuntu 1804 here
[03:57] <uRock> XPS with Debian 10 currently
[03:58] <DOSfan> I have yet to get into version 18 .. my computers here run 16.04.06 LTS .. I like the Unity GUI  , it runs all the KDE applications too .. the KDE partition manager is nice.
[03:59] <ausjke> hurry, 20.04 is coming
[04:00] <DOSfan> Well here I have a HP XW8600 running Ubuntu 16.04 (on a 2.5 inch SSD) , and a M.2 SSD memory chip I put in a PCIe card (which runs Win7 and DOS).
[04:00] <DOSfan> friggen runs faaast :P~
[04:04] <karlding> quick question, so are the headers in linux-libc-dev supposed to match your kernel version? from what i understand, those headers are provided for userspace, while linux-headers-`uname -r` is for kernel modules?
[04:05] <uRock> I was a Unity fan from day one and it took a while to get used to some of the changes in gnome, but it's what I prefer nowadays.
[04:26] <DOSfan> g-nite :)
[04:55] <bjlx> Hello, I have read several howtos about how to set up ldap auth config but I am not able to get the client to query the server at all; I'm running ubuntu 19
[05:40] <nanozz> which linux distro to choose?
[05:40] <nanozz> i feel ubuntu more advanced
[05:41] <brianx> more advanced than what?
[05:42] <OerHeks> !flavors
[05:43] <nanozz> than windows
[05:45] <brianx> ahh, ok.
[05:47] <nanozz> looking for secured os with debian flavor and get more security fix often but the thing is dont want to keep ugrading different os every 5 years or so
[05:48] <OerHeks> nonwhat do you expect for answer in the #ubuntu support channel?
[05:48] <OerHeks> btw 5 years can be expanded, paid support
[05:48] <OerHeks> !esm
[06:26] <soteree> Hello :)
[06:26] <soteree> I'm pretty sure I have been hacked...
[06:27] <soteree> I'm not sure where to begin, but is there a ubuntu override?
[06:27] <soteree> I'm on 18...and can't burn any new disks because I think my entire machine is crunched.
[06:28] <soteree> 4.15.0-55-generic #60-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jul 2 18:22:20 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[06:28] <ZaZaGX> what makes you think you have been hacked?
[06:31] <soteree> The distrobutions I download end up returning bad results for a gtp test...
[06:31] <ZaZaGX> oh ic, where did you download the distro?
[06:31] <soteree> Plus when I download with sudo apt-get I get old programs
[06:32] <soteree> can't say, a friend downloaded it...
[06:34] <export> soteree: apt-get as opposed to what?
[06:34] <export> also soteree did apt-get update occur as well? O.o
[06:35] <ZaZaGX> do you still have the iso? did verify the SHA256?
[06:35] <ZaZaGX> https://ubuntu.com/download/desktop/thank-you?country=&version=18.04.2&architecture=amd64
[06:36] <ZaZaGX> it doesn't sound like you got hacked. but it is possible you have a hack distro from your friend. but you won't know for sure unless you SHA256 verify it
[06:37] <soteree> thanks! I'll check once it's downloaded
[06:38] <DOSfan> brb
[06:38] <ZaZaGX> you don't need to download a new one. don't you have the iso from your friend?click on verify your download
[06:38] <ZaZaGX> it'll show you the command to how to verify your iso
[06:38] <soteree> So btw I get this warning when using gpg:
[06:38] <soteree> gpg: WARNING: unsafe ownership on homedir '/home/soter/.gnupg'
[06:39] <soteree> the download will?
[06:40] <soteree> how do I check it it is safe before using it? I tried and I got an unknown system error
[06:40] <soteree> but prob because it's still downloading.
[06:41] <ZaZaGX> do you have the old iso where your friend gave you it?
[06:41] <export> soteree: you shouldn't be downloading anything, get the iso you installed the system with, or where ever it might be, and follow the instructions of the guru dude.
[06:42] <soteree> no, the usb has since been returned :\
[06:42] <export> soteree: personally i'd just redownload a new iso and reinstall, backup data you want to keep and get something with a little more security.. or at least peace of mind.
[06:43] <ZaZaGX> okay! when you click on bottom left hand corner. the 9 sqaures. than type in USB creator. it'll show you an app to make a Ubuntu bootable usb flash drive
[06:43] <ZaZaGX> (when you complete the ubuntu iso) of course
[06:44] <soteree> :)
[06:44] <ZaZaGX> do you have a usb flash drive?
[06:44] <soteree> one's handy
[06:45] <soteree> I suppose the system will check if the iso is good or not
[06:46] <ZaZaGX> um, for errors yes
[06:46] <ZaZaGX> not if its the offical iso
[07:01] <xasalyn> macspoofing disables wificonnection,using bionic
[07:01] <xasalyn> any ideas?
[07:35] <ZaZaGX> did whats his name fixed his computer?
[07:44] <eraserpencil4> Hi, theres a python program that processes webcam feed on github. It gives FPS as a benchmark metric. I'veconverted the code to c++ and would like to test the performance gain. I noticed the FPS went up but then i relase that FPS depends on the other processes I'm running on the computer hence not a very reliable benchmark. What is a good way to be
[07:44] <eraserpencil4> nchmark the CPU and RAM usage for both pieces of code without external influences like number of browser tabs opne or docker services running.
[08:02] <vlt> eraserpencil4: Maybe an absolute empty virtual machine. The virtualisation host can count quite well how many CPU cycles were used up.
[08:27] <[[thufir]]> I've just installed tor through snap, but how do I launch the browser?
[08:30] <padarc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=thufir: afaik the "tor" snap is just the tcp overlay thing, without the tor-browser if you mean that
[08:35] <ZaZaGX> i download tor from the website
[08:36] <ZaZaGX> make sure to use a vpn before launching tor
[08:41] <[[thufir]]> padarc: yeah, that seems the problem
[08:41] <[[thufir]]> can I not install the tor browser through snap?
[08:43] <ZaZaGX> looks like you can't install the tor browser from snap. i just looked it up
[08:45] <[[thufir]]> ZaZaGX: thanks.  can you tell me how you know, for my reference?
[08:45] <ZaZaGX> https://www.torproject.org/
[08:47] <ZaZaGX> click on download, and pick the Operating System that you have
[08:48] <ZaZaGX> anyways, the offical canonical snap website is: https://snapcraft.io/
[08:48] <ZaZaGX> you can look up other programs on snap to install
[08:51] <ZaZaGX> [[thifir]], do you know how to launch it?
[08:52] <[[thufir]]> yes, it seems to be launching
[08:52] <ZaZaGX> did you extract it?
[08:53] <[[thufir]]> I was just hoping to use snap.  I'm just poking around, not following the manual.  I installed with apt, and it seems to be downloading a keyring now, although it took quite a while.  thx.
[08:54] <[[thufir]]> (I'll follow the manual if I continue to use tor, of course.  Just seeing what all the hoopla is about. Seems to be getting there. thx again.)
[08:57] <ZaZaGX> ah okay
[08:57] <ZaZaGX> which apt-get program did you download?
[08:57] <ZaZaGX> i'm not even sure which one is the right file  name
[08:59] <[[thufir]]> sudo apt install torbrowser-launcher
[09:00] <ZaZaGX> hmmm, you go try that. i'm not sure if that is the right now
[09:00] <ZaZaGX> one*
[09:01] <ZaZaGX> in Ubuntu 19.04, it says the torbrowser-launcher is version 0.3.1-2
[09:04] <ZaZaGX> the lastest version of the Tor browser is 8.5.4
[09:04] <[[thufir]]> LoL
[09:08] <ZaZaGX> did it work for you [[thufir]]?
[09:09] <[[thufir]]> ZaZaGX: woefully slow computer, but I have popup dialog boxes from the OS relating to downloading keys, etc, so seems fine :)
[09:09] <QR> hey all. i installed Ubuntu LTS on new kvm box. it says ...115 updates are security updates... message.  but i already did update, upgrade, dis-upgrade. i did reboot too. why still that message on login?
[09:10] <[[thufir]]> Downloading and install Tor browser for the first time -- but I managed to get that dialog twice by launching from different terminal windows.  Oh well, it'll be fine I'm sure.  Just very, very out of date version.
[09:11] <ZaZaGX> its actually recommended to install the lastest TOR browser. because there are security flaws
[09:12] <ZaZaGX> QR, not sure. do you mean a KVM switch?
[09:13] <ZaZaGX> [[thurfir]], you should use a vpn than lanuch TOR browser, so you can do stuff on the private
[09:15] <QR> ZaZaGX: kvm vps
[09:16] <ZaZaGX> hmm ok, just looked it up
[09:17] <ZaZaGX> i haven't used a kvm vps before. so i can't help you there. does it save other stuff when you reboot?
[09:20] <QR> yes
[09:47] <QR> where's motd data located
[10:21] <ovalseven8> Question: I am using Ubuntu 18.04 and, as recommended, Dockers own repository. I have 'unattended-upgrades' enabled for automatic security updates. However, is Docker also updates using 'unattended-upgrades'
[10:21] <ovalseven8> Or is it only for Ubuntu-internal stuff?
[10:31] <rhoks> hey guys plz help, I wanted to close qbittorrent and I clicked on quit but when the tray icon was still there I opened terminal and did pkill qbittorrent and now I can't reopen it
[10:37] <zeloto> Hi guys, I have a dsl-router of AVM and I connected my usb MFP printer to a router for sharing into ubuntu desktop. In Ubuntu I have installed printer driver for linux  and than I created a new printer with CUPS choosing profile "AppSocket/HP JetDirect" port 9100. The printer works fine but I couldn't get the scanner to connect to the xsane program
[10:37] <zeloto> . Since the dsl-router opens the AppSocket / HP JetDirect service on port 9100, I wanted to know if this port can be used to connect even with the integrated scanner
[10:37] <zeloto> ?
[10:58] <specon> hello all. I have a fresh install of ubuntu 18.04 on my hp laptop. When i start up my computer i always have to press escape to go into boot options. After that i press F9 to choose boot mode and then i can select ubuntu to boot up. Is there any way to boot automaticly into ubuntu ? When i normaly start the computer i always get the blue screen of windows ( that my computer needs to be restored) it looks like the computer standard
[10:58] <specon> boots into OS bootmanager from windows ....
[10:59] <sonOfRa> you can install efibootmgr (assuming you're on an EFI installation)
[11:00] <specon> yes the computer is EUefi
[11:00] <jeremy31> specon: What computer
[11:00] <specon> only 4 years old
[11:00] <specon> HP envy
[11:00] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:01] <jeremy31> specon, see if UEFI settings has system config/os boot manager, move ubuntu to top of the list and press F10
[11:01] <sonOfRa> "sudo efibootmgr" will then list the entries you have. Then with "sudo efibootmgr --bootorder, you can set the order of the entries (0000 is generally booted first)
[11:01] <specon> jeremy okay i will try that.
[11:02] <specon> i be right back i am going to restart and enter the bios to check the settings hold on
[11:02] <jeremy31> efibootmgr works on my Lenovo but is ignored on my HP
[11:02] <sonOfRa> Then you can also write a handy "bootwindows" script, which uses "sudo efibootmgr --bootnext XXXX && sudo reboot", where XXXX is the windows partition. The PC will then  reboot into windows.
[11:05] <specon> i'm back
[11:06] <specon> In UEFI boot order ubuntu is not in the list
[11:06] <specon> i have usb cd/dvd rom drive and usb diskette os bootmanager and internet cd/DVD and network adaptor
[11:07] <EoflaOE> specon: when you were installing Ubuntu, are you in UEFI mode or CSM?
[11:12] <specon> EoflaOE, i don't know
[11:12] <specon> i have ubuntu 64 bit version on usb stick and i booted up into that
[11:12] <specon> it asked me where to install the distro
[11:12] <specon> i have set whipe all drives ( don't install it allong windows)
[11:12] <seven-eleven> how can I get gnupg2 v.2.2.4 on ubuntu xenial 16.04?
[11:13] <seven-eleven> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnupg2
[11:13] <seven-eleven> do i have to upgrade to bionic 18.04 or is there a way round?
[11:13] <specon> my computer is now in UEFI mode the other option legacy is disabled
[11:20] <jeremy31> specon: no BIOS screen like http://jsbisht.in/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/IMG_20171015_015304_-700x394.jpg
[13:14] <htalloush> how do i make sure that ALSA is using my DAC's hardware mixer and not software mixing
[13:24] <pragomer> hi. any advice on how to get rid of these unnecessary entries when I input just "mount" to see my mount points? https://i.imgur.com/H4Ed0H2.png
[13:29] <BluesKaj> htalloush, use s/pdif
[13:31] <htalloush> is this the same as using iec958 device?
[13:32] <akem-hp> Hi, with Skype on Ubuntu 18.04 my microphone works when i'm using gnome, but not when i'm using fluxbox, i suspect it has something to do with default input device, i can only choose "default" or HDMI(which is my second screen which has no input ofc) in Skype, anyone encounter this kind of issue?
[13:36] <duo_ubuntu> Hi list, I need help again and stick with login loop again, please help
[13:37] <lotuspsychje> !xauthority | duo_ubuntu
[13:37] <duo_ubuntu> I did that
[13:37] <duo_ubuntu> but still cannot
[13:37] <lotuspsychje> duo_ubuntu: graphics driver installed correctly?
[13:38] <duo_ubuntu> before is fine, Im not sure...
[13:38] <duo_ubuntu> let me try rm xauthority one more time
[13:38] <lotuspsychje> duo_ubuntu: try to boot into a tty, and we can take a look with you
[13:38] <duo_ubuntu> im in tty now
[13:38] <lotuspsychje> duo_ubuntu: sudo lshw -C video
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> duo_ubuntu: see if chipset shows & driver= loaded
[13:39] <duo_ubuntu> iys loaded
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> duo_ubuntu: nvidia?
[13:39] <duo_ubuntu> vga intel
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> duo_ubuntu: ok, what about your kernel version? uname -a ?
[13:40] <duo_ubuntu> <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> sounds good duo_ubuntu
[13:42] <duo_ubuntu> cannot remove xauthority : no such file
[13:42] <duo_ubuntu> canot sudo apt update
[13:42] <lotuspsychje> duo_ubuntu: why?
[13:43] <duo_ubuntu> when it connecting to security.ubuntu.com, it just stay like that
[13:45] <duo_ubuntu> install anything now unable to locate
[13:45] <duo_ubuntu> what is wrong ya?
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> duo_ubuntu: wich country are you?
[13:45] <duo_ubuntu> re install ubuntu desktop also not working
[13:45] <duo_ubuntu> Indonesia
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> duo_ubuntu: your connection has proxy firewall or router block?
[13:46] <duo_ubuntu> no
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> duo_ubuntu: try a reboot, and press F1 to switch to textbooting, maybe you catch useful errors there
[13:47] <duo_ubuntu> before I make mistake in /etc/environment, but I remove it
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> duo_ubuntu: what exactly did you do before?
[13:48] <duo_ubuntu> I did using ionic project that need to fo the path for sdk
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> duo_ubuntu: try the reboot and F1, maybe more hints there
[13:50] <duo_ubuntu> wait
[13:50] <duo_ubuntu> seem its updating but slow
[13:50] <duo_ubuntu> should I wait?
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> duo_ubuntu: yes, dont interrupt updates
[13:51] <duo_ubuntu> ok
[13:51] <duo_ubuntu> but very slow
[13:53] <tomreyn> are there error or warnings on screen? do some of the downloads seem to fail?
[13:55] <duo_ubuntu> so far chrome update was failed now
[13:55] <duo_ubuntu> now doing xenial updates
[13:55] <tomreyn> when the chrome update failed, what did it say? failed because of..., error status... or something?
[13:56] <duo_ubuntu> connection failed (ip <IP_ADDRESS>)
[13:57] <tomreyn> so that's a google server. those are usually well connected / well reachable from most places in the world.
[13:58] <tomreyn> maybe your internet connection is not very reliable today?
[13:58] <duo_ubuntu> its fine with this mac
[13:59] <tomreyn> do you know which type of internet access you have? from this mac running ubuntu you probably connect to some router over wireless? and what type of router is it?
[14:00] <duo_ubuntu> no, this one for reach irc now
[14:00] <duo_ubuntu> PING ms5 DOWNLOAD Mbps8.19 UPLOAD Mbps1.29
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: his main issue is a loginloop, xautority didnt work
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> intel driver loaded
[14:00] <duo_ubuntu> i use ubuntu on main other laptop
[14:01] <duo_ubuntu> ya login loop
[14:01] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: i see, thanks.
[14:03] <tomreyn> duo_ubuntu: so you have a mac running mac os, which you are working with now, and also another computer which runs ubuntu - and there you login graphically, but are then thrown back to the login screen?
[14:03] <duo_ubuntu> let me wait till the update is finish or move then I will need advise for login loop then
[14:03] <duo_ubuntu> yes, it goes to login screen
[14:04] <tomreyn> what about the other things i said, also correct?
[14:05] <duo_ubuntu> mac os is Im uisng now just for chating because I cannot use my ubuntu to login
[14:05] <duo_ubuntu> in other laptop which updating now but slow
[14:05] <tomreyn> oh ok
[14:11] <duo_ubuntu> conection failed (IP <IP_ADDRESS> 80)
[14:12] <duo_ubuntu> I feel something not right in my system, like missing something. cause when try sudo apt install ubuntu-desktop, it said unable to locate
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> duo_ubuntu: did you add external ppa's to your system?
[14:14] <duo_ubuntu> I think I did remove all ppa list before
[14:16] <duo_ubuntu> ok its done now
[14:16] <duo_ubuntu> but with some fails repository cannot be done securely
[14:17] <lotuspsychje> duo_ubuntu: please pastebin
[14:17] <duo_ubuntu> so how I should fix this login loop
[14:17] <duo_ubuntu> mmm maybe I should goes to that laptop and did sudo startx then online there?
[14:18] <duo_ubuntu> cause this one in mac Im writing
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> duo_ubuntu: startx is not the way to go anymore, can result to a loginloop
[14:18] <duo_ubuntu> but sudo startx is working
[14:18] <duo_ubuntu> wait
[14:19] <Siamaster> Hi, I'm trying to install ubuntu 19.04. I think there is something wrong with the iso I get from the official site
[14:19] <Siamaster> when I run the installer, it gets stuck at "copying files"
[14:19] <duo_ubuntu> I think I did remove xorg server too before and cannot re install
[14:20] <Siamaster> I tried the 18.04 LTS instead and it did not get stuck
[14:20] <Siamaster> where can I get a working iso for 19.04?
[14:20] <EoflaOE> Siamaster: Did you verify the integrity of the ISO of 19.04?
[14:20] <Siamaster> no? how do I do that?
[14:20] <Siamaster> also, it does not help to verify now? I already know it doesn't work. right?
[14:21] <EriC^> !md5sum | Siamaster
[14:22] <Siamaster> ok thanks. I don't understand why I need to do that when I download from the official site?
[14:22] <Siamaster> also, where can I get another version?
[14:22] <EriC^> Siamaster: cause it might be corrupt
[14:22] <Siamaster> I see
[14:22] <EriC^> Siamaster: how did you download? browser or using torrent?
[14:22] <Siamaster> browser
[14:23] <Siamaster> should I try torrent?
[14:23] <Siamaster> brb, need to restart
[14:23] <EriC^> no need to redownload, just install the tool that makes the hash from iso and compare it to the websites hash
[14:25] <duo_ubuntu> lotuspsychje: reboot and press f1 but only system information of lapyop
[14:26] <lotuspsychje> duo_ubuntu: when you see ubuntu boot logo press F1, not F2 for bios or POST boot
[14:27] <duo_ubuntu> it splahing
[14:27] <duo_ubuntu> splashing
[14:28] <duo_ubuntu> start load screen backlight brightness now
[14:29] <duo_ubuntu> it stuck now, shall I repeat?
[14:30] <duo_ubuntu> ctrl alt f3 then goes to ttty?
[14:32] <duo_ubuntu> sudo startx now im login
[14:33] <duo_ubuntu> no browser can run :-(
[14:34] <tomreyn> don't run X as root
[14:34] <duo_ubuntu> its not working without sudo
[14:34] <duo_ubuntu> it said timeout look zautority
[14:34] <tomreyn> you should have a graphical login manager which starts your desktop as the user you logged in as
[14:35] <duo_ubuntu> back to tty?
[14:36] <duo_ubuntu> try updating and seem now is fast
[14:37] <tomreyn> when you start your desktop with sudo (root), any files getting newly written will be owned by root. if you then later try to start the desktop as a non root user, it will fail since the root owned files cannot be read.
[14:37] <tomreyn> !xauthority
[14:37] <duo_ubuntu> did that but let me try again now
[14:39] <duo_ubuntu> remove and reboot
[14:39] <fling> Where can I find the shiftfs patch?
[14:40] <tomreyn> !details | fling
[14:41] <duo_ubuntu> keep stuck on "started load/save backlight brightness of backlisty: intel backlight
[14:41] <fling> tomreyn: ubuntu kernel includes a shiftfs patch. I want to grab it.
[14:42] <duo_ubuntu> tomreyn: stuck on that
[14:44] <duo_ubuntu> back to tty and installing ubuntu desktop now
[14:44] <duo_ubuntu> slow again here in tty
[14:46] <tomreyn> fling: probably somewhere around here https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-signed
[14:46] <tomreyn> duo_ubuntu: which desktop did you have so far then?
[14:46] <fling> tomreyn: thanks
[14:47] <duo_ubuntu> none, cannot go to desktop on my ubuntu laptop
[14:47] <tomreyn> well, how would you if you have no desktop installed?
[14:48] <duo_ubuntu> well before I have gnome desktop and lightdm
[14:48] <duo_ubuntu> now is seem miss all of them I guess
[14:48] <tomreyn> this doesn't happen all by itself
[14:49] <duo_ubuntu> ya
[14:49] <duo_ubuntu> when I try to want reinstall then I should remove it, but when install it it wont install
[14:50] <duo_ubuntu> thats why it happen, because I try to fix the login loop
[14:51] <duo_ubuntu> now sudo apt install lightdm still connecting, very odd
[14:56] <tomreyn> so you have two issues there: the first is a about network connectivity or routing. the second may be backlight management related, maybe ACPI-related.
[14:57] <tomreyn> for the first, talk to your ISP, maybe power cycle the router. for the second, try a !HWE kernel
[14:57] <tomreyn> !hwe
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> duo_ubuntu: didnt you say you on xenial?
[14:57] <duo_ubuntu> yes
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> duo_ubuntu: so what did you mean with gnome desktop?
[14:58] <duo_ubuntu> sory ubuntu desktop I mean
[14:59] <onomatopie> Is there a nice way to automate some stuff about setting up remote servers?
[15:00] <onomatopie> Is it easy to just have a script that sets up ssh keys etc?
[15:00] <onomatopie> (ran from a clent machine)
[15:01] <tds> onomatopie: ansible comes to mind as something that more or less just does that for you
[15:02] <onomatopie> tds: That could do. It could copy over some of the config files too
[15:02] <tds> sure, it'll work nicely for that, you can build config up from jinja2 templates, etc
[15:03] <onomatopie> ok... I suppose it's an excuse to do some ansible
[15:03] <onomatopie> But  for stuff this simple can I not script it easily?
[15:03] <onomatopie> bash
[15:11] <duo_ubuntu> lotuspsychje: I think I using ubuntu-gnome-desktop before
[15:22] <yhm12345> hey all,i really got a question. i wrote a test.c which contain just a hello world code. and i wrote a test.sh in the /etc/init.d  but when i run "service test start" , it says that unit test.service not found. why is that
[15:34] <duo_ubuntu> ohh im stuck :-(
[15:36] <Osmodivs> Hello. I have Ubuntu 18.04.2 64bits. In CUPS's  system-config-printer 1.5.11 does not show the ink levels of my Canon MAXIFY MB2010 printer, I have instaled ink from synaptic, but I do not know if I need further setup...
[15:36] <Osmodivs> how can I see my ink levels?
[15:46] <ioria> Osmodivs, i suggest 'man ink'   or try    ' ink -p usb'
[15:57] <eraserpencil14> if i have a photo to share here, where should i upload it too?
[15:58] <MonteNico> eraserpencil14, imgur is easy enough
[15:59] <dwilson5817> I've got networkd configuration like https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bgmnQQStcV/ but when I reboot the server no IPv6 is assigned, I can run the commands at https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7XMW9JGj6f/ to assign the IPv6 address manually, what's going on?
[16:01] <eraserpencil67> https://imgur.com/wPEhbsI
[16:02] <shinji257> Give me a minute to look at my notes.  I have a OVH/SoYouStart server so I can check to make sure you got it right.
[16:03] <eraserpencil67> if i wanted virt  to know the total ram used by run_webcam.py, do i add up all the virt + res per PID related to run_webcam.py?
[16:03] <dwilson5817> that's great thanks, this is the default configuration from the install by the way
[16:03] <eraserpencil67> if i wanted to know the total ram*
[16:05] <shinji257> It's interesting it is setup to match by mac address instead of by interface...
[16:05] <Osmodivs> ioria: the ink command worked, but I was expecting to see it in the GUI. Thanks anyway :)
[16:05] <shinji257> My Proxmox config (I use Ubuntu in a VM) has its configuration generated to match by interface.
[16:06] <dwilson5817> hm, interesting, do you think it might have something to do with the IPv6 issues?
[16:06] <dwilson5817> IPv4 works fine
[16:07] <TJ-> Do we have a web-based visual preview of all the font packages (to avoid having to download/install all in order to identify/match to a sample) ?
[16:07] <shinji257> No but with OVH you will want to be absolutely certain that it is actually systemd that is being used for networking.  I'm double checking some notes I put on my  pastebin.
[16:08] <tds> dwilson5817: if you `journalctl -u systemd-networkd` do you get any useful logs?
[16:08] <tds> that might at least hint at what's failing to apply
[16:09] <ioria> Osmodivs, ok  but check the manual : 'ink - a command line tool for checking the ink level of your printers'
[16:09] <tomreyn> TJ-: this sounds like something which could be solved via https://screenshots.debian.net maybe?
[16:10] <dwilson5817> `enp1s0: IPv6 successfully enabled` is there, I'll pastebin the full logs
[16:10] <dwilson5817> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/56dCXHrh62/ is the logs for networkd
[16:11] <eraserpencil67> If i wish to know the RAM usage of a programme, must i also track all PIDs associated with the programme. Or just the one with the highest cpu usage? https://imgur.com/a/N7R64bL
[16:11] <TJ-> tomreyn: almost but not enough to be useful :)
[16:12] <shinji257> dwilson5817: Well that settles that then.  Your config is fine so I have no idea why IPv6 isn't getting assigned.
[16:13] <tomreyn> TJ-: i see what you mean now, there is no way to have those screenshots show on a single page for multiple font packages, so you can compare / find the one you're looking for easily.
[16:13] <tds> shinji257: hmm, you don't have netplan or something generating config that's overriding the one you posted?
[16:13] <shinji257> Nope.
[16:13] <TJ-> tomreyn: and most require the user to upload a screenshot first, apparently
[16:13] <tds> the logs you posted look like it's getting an address from dhcp rather than the static config
[16:13] <tds> er, dwilson5817 even, sorry!
[16:14] <shinji257> tds: I realized that after
[16:14] <shinji257> tds: OVH wouldn't be using DHCP.  It's all static IPs.
[16:14] <tomreyn> TJ-: right, screenshots.debian.net does not create screenshots automatically.
[16:14] <dwilson5817> I do have a netplan config.yaml I've been using for failover IPs.
[16:15] <dwilson5817> i'll add .bak to the end and reboot to see if IPv6 works then
[16:15] <tds> hmm, mixing manual networkd and netplan config seems like it may end badly
[16:15] <shinji257> dwilson5817: Oh... That would probably be doing it then.  You got 2 different network managers trying to manage the same interface.
[16:15] <fling> tomreyn: can't figure out how to get it from there
[16:15] <dwilson5817> i'm just realising how stupid I am
[16:15] <shinji257> dwilson5817: You can actually add all the failover IPs to systemd instead of using NetPlan to do it.
[16:16] <TJ-> tomreyn: whilst we're at it, on a totally different tack - I've a really weird issue recently with the (bluetooth) mouse scrollwheel (has new batteries!) where as I roll it the reaction is for the scroll position of the focused window to 'stutter' up and down but barely move. VERY slow rolling of the wheel seems to be better, spinning it worse. Any ideas?
[16:16] <tomreyn> fling: maybe ask in #ubuntu-kernel
[16:16] <dwilson5817> is it recommended to use Netplan or could I just add a bunch of [Address] to networkd
[16:16] <dwilson5817> yeah I'll give that a go, just a minute
[16:16] <fling> tomreyn: thanks
[16:18] <tomreyn> TJ-: hmm, not really i'm afraid, no. i haven't played much with bluetooth so far.
[16:20] <TJ-> tomreyn: I don't think it is BT related, but thought I'd mention that part. Mouse has worked fine until some recent package upgrade but I'm not figuring it out.
[16:24] <TJ-> tomreyn: if you have a scroll-wheel can you run 'xev' and tell me what button number the scroll-wheel ButtonPress/Release events report for "scroll up (away from hand)" and then "scroll down (towards hand)" ? I'm seeing it stutter between button 4 and 5, or the inverse, where I'd expect it to be all the same for the same action
[16:24] <dwilson5817> dam, that was it, thanks guys for the help, that's what you get when you blindly follow the OVH docs
[16:24] <shinji257> dwilson5817: You are welcome. :)
[16:25] <tomreyn> TJ-: state 800 is moving the mouse wheel up, state 1000 is moving it down
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: what kind of mouse is that, on wich release?
[16:26] <tomreyn> TJ-: so that's 0x800 away from hand, 0x1000 towards hand.
[16:28] <tomreyn> TJ-: when i scroll using the mouse wheel, it seems to register both a ButtonPress even (always with stats 0x0) and at the same time a ButtonRelease event, with the states indicated above
[16:30] <tomreyn> TJ-: away from hand (0x800) is button 4, towards hand (0x1000) is button 5
[16:31] <fromBeyond> Hi. Yesterday I updated from ubuntu 18.04 to disco dingo. I am currently working on a c++ program, which uses heavy multithreading. Now, before the update, my benchmark ran at 10ms on avergae. Now It runs 30ms on average. What could have happened? Looking for general tips/advice where I shoudl start to look. I am compiling using the same compiler and the sam makefile
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> fromBeyond: you could take a look in your dpkg logs, what updated when
[16:33] <fromBeyond> lotuspsychje:good idea. will look
[16:34] <duo_ubuntu> tomreyn: fix the desktop now and still login loop
[16:35] <TJ-> tomreyn: thanks, that matches what I (mainly) see aside from the intermittent 'opposite' button numbers. I've just stripped and cleaned it, just in case, but no luck.
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> fromBeyond: keep in mind also, going from LTS to non_LTS can have unwanted behaviour, aka not as stable as LTS
[16:36] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: Targa bluetooth on 18.04
[16:36] <duo_ubuntu> lotuspsychje: any idea how to fix this?
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> duo_ubuntu: you havent given us any pastebin details of anything, hence its pretty hard to help you like this, not knowing what you did previously to your system
[16:38] <duo_ubuntu> I cannot login still and cannot copy
[16:38] <duo_ubuntu> let me try use sudo startx then
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> !pastebinit | duo_ubuntu
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> duo_ubuntu: dont use startx please, volunteers have already adviced you not to
[16:40] <dimm> hello, all! Which gui clint is good for git on ubuntu at this days?
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> duo_ubuntu: a good start would be your dmesg log and sources.list
[16:42] <fromBeyond> lotuspsychje: ok, thank you. It is very weird, that the program is now 3-4times as slow on average. I know that lib-tbb-dev and libtbb2 have been updated, which is what I use for multithreading. So something may be going on there
[16:42] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: not much bugs to find on targa :p
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> fromBeyond: on different releases, i think you need to look at all kind of things, there are different versions of packages
[16:45] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: tomreyn  Fixed :) Turns out the good ole "take it to bits and re-assemble" sorted it.
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: mechanical issue?
[16:45] <TJ-> uhoh, spoke too soon!
[16:45] <tomreyn> TJ-: great :) so was it just dust then? i was just about to suggest to try it with a high market share proprietary OS with generic (non vendor supplied) drivers to see whether it bears the same issues there.
[16:45] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: possibly but now not so sure :D
[16:46] <tomreyn> oh
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> fromBeyond: what about graphics card/driver, wich are you using?
[16:47] <tomreyn> duo_ubuntu: so you have a graphical login manager (which?) now, trying to login to a destop environment (which?) now?
[16:47] <TJ-> tomreyn: It could be dust but I didn't see any sign. It has an unusual knurled disc rotating switch sandwich on the end of the wheel shaft, and three legs, so I am now presuming there's something going bad inside the 'sandwich'
[16:48] <fromBeyond> lotuspsychje:the program only performs computation, usng multithreading. But, I use Nvidia
[16:49] <duo_ubuntu> ubuntu desktop for login now but still loop, I check I have no gnome shell, downloading now
[16:49] <duo_ubuntu> lightdm ubuntu desktop
[16:49] <TJ-> fromBeyond: is your program making syscalls into the kernel or is it all pure userspace?
[16:50] <tomreyn> duo_ubuntu: ubuntu 16.04 uses unity, not gnome-shell. if you installed the "ubuntu-desktop" package and did not uninstall packages afterwards, you should be fine.
[16:50] <duo_ubuntu> ok it installed already for unity
[16:51] <tomreyn> duo_ubuntu: your login manager should be lightdm on 16.04, i think. 18.04 uses gdm3
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> fromBeyond: wich chipset/ driver version please?
[16:51] <duo_ubuntu> yes lightdm
[16:52] <TJ-> fromBeyond:  you should have used my suggestion for using libtbb2 from 19.10 with 18.04 :) We'd know if the issue was in tbb then!
[16:53] <tomreyn> duo_ubuntu: okay, reboot, let it boot to lightdm, try logging in once - and have it fail, returning yo to the lightdm login screen. then switch to a tty using ctrl-alt-f3, login there, then run     journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999     and post the url here.
[16:54] <duo_ubuntu> ok wait
[16:56] <tomreyn> duo_ubuntu: this helps you find files owned by other users in your home directory: find ~ -not -uid $(id -u) -ls
[16:56] <tomreyn> or rather file system objects, not just files.
[16:56] <fromBeyond> lotuspsychje: writing nvidia-settings --version returns nvidia-settings:  version 418.56
[16:57] <fromBeyond> TJ-: yes :) instead i opted to update (thinking, I might as well finally do it :) )
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> fromBeyond: GTX card?
[16:59] <duo_ubuntu> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/j5w4
[16:59] <TJ-> fromBeyond: is your program making syscalls into the kernel or is it all pure userspace?
[17:00] <fromBeyond> lotuspsychje: yes, GTX 1050
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> fromBeyond: try a higher driver version as a test, from the ubuntu graphics ppa (may not be related to your issue)
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> !nvidia | fromBeyond
[17:01] <fromBeyond> TJ-: No (unless tbb does internally). It is computing mesh decimations.
[17:01] <fromBeyond> lotuspsychje:ok, will do
[17:01] <TJ-> fromBeyond: have you profiled the program to see where the latency is?
[17:04] <tomreyn> duo_ubuntu: "systemd[1]: Configuration file /etc/systemd/system.conf is marked executable. Please remove executable permission bits."  "systemd[1]: Configuration file /etc/systemd/system/my-startup.service is marked executable. Please remove executable permission bits."
[17:04] <TJ-> fromBeyond: I'd compile/link the program with profiling enabled and then use gprof to examine the result
[17:04] <fromBeyond> will do
[17:06] <tomreyn> duo_ubuntu: there are ACPI resource conflicts. look for a newer firmware for this HP EliteBook 2570p/17DF (currently BIOS 68ISB Ver. F.70 04/12/2018) and / or try https://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[17:07] <duo_ubuntu> ok
[17:07] <tomreyn> duo_ubuntu: "systemd-logind[880]: Configuration file /etc/systemd/logind.conf is marked executable. Please remove executable permission bits."
[17:07] <tomreyn> looks like you modified many of the systemd configuration files
[17:08] <duo_ubuntu> remove the file?
[17:08] <tomreyn> read the message again
[17:09] <tomreyn> removing executable bit means    chmod -x /path/to/file
[17:09] <tomreyn> duo_ubuntu: more configuration errors:  "ifup[876]: /bin/sh: 1: cannot open /etc/OpenBTS-UMTS/iptables.rules: No such file" "ifup[876]: Failed to bring up lo."
[17:09] <tomreyn> "dbus-daemon[882]: Unknown username "geoclue" in message bus configuration file"
[17:11] <tomreyn> "ntpdate[916]: name server cannot be used: Temporary failure in name resolution (-3)" - this will be a follow-up error caused by interface lo not coming up, since this would cause the local resolver cache to become unavailable.
[17:11] <tomreyn> which explains name lookup issues.
[17:11] <tomreyn> "sh[798]: sed: can't read /run/systemd/netif/leases/*: No such file or directory" - not sure what this is, a cron script mabye?
[17:12] <duo_ubuntu> Im not sure too that one
[17:12] <tomreyn> "systemd[932]: my-startuo.service: Failed at step EXEC spawning /usr/local/sbin/my-startuo.sh: No such file or directory"
[17:12] <duo_ubuntu> ohh netif
[17:12] <tomreyn> maybe you should just reinstall if you made so many changes which break core system functionality and don't remeber what or why you changed this.
[17:13] <duo_ubuntu> :-(
[17:13] <tomreyn> "gpu-manager[938]: /etc/modprobe.d is not a file" - looks like you deleted this directory
[17:14] <hggdh> actually, that it was referred to as a file
[17:14] <duo_ubuntu> ya I have something to make some dongle to work with
[17:15] <duo_ubuntu> it was odd
[17:18] <tomreyn> your log is full or warnings and errors which one would not have on a fresh 16.04 installation, so those are a result of customizations you made. you can go over the log line by line and try to solve them. or ensure your backups are current and complete and restorable and reinstall.
[17:21] <duo_ubuntu> tomreyn: ok , will try something and maybe just reinstall when no cure
[17:21] <tomreyn> better try this approach in the future: keep making those customizations, since that's a great way to learn. but do them step by step. after changing anything, make sure it actually works *and* does not report errors to any relevant logs. test it for a while, and only when you're sure it works well, try the next modification with the same approach. if the first modification did not work well, or seems to work but throws errors, seek support her.
[17:21] <tomreyn> if you still can't fix it, roll back the change.
[17:22] <lotuspsychje> duo_ubuntu: just out of curiosity, why did you install bumblebee, didnt you say you have intel graphics only?
[17:22] <duo_ubuntu> I forgot that bumble bee for hahaha
[17:23] <duo_ubuntu> by mistale I guess
[17:23] <duo_ubuntu> by mistake I believe
[17:23] <duo_ubuntu> I think it was for one of my program
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> duo_ubuntu: the intel graphics driver should load automaticly on ubuntu, so try to follow tomreyns advice fresh install would be a good diea here
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> *idea
[17:24] <duo_ubuntu> ok
[17:24] <duo_ubuntu> thanks to both :-)
[17:24] <tomreyn> hggdh: thanks for clarifying this. i assumed this message was just returned by gpu-manager to indicate that this FSO does not exist. (why would it look for a file there anyways - this seems unusual).
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> duo_ubuntu: does your pc serve as a developer box or something?
[17:25] <duo_ubuntu> just in the middle of lots of work on ionic project and web :-(
[17:25] <duo_ubuntu> yes for developing
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> duo_ubuntu: well whatever you choose fresh install or not, try to heavy cleanout your pc, things you dont use= out
[17:26] <hggdh> tomreyn: it is probably a typo, like adding a space between the directory and the file
[17:27] <tomreyn> duo_ubuntu: consider using lxc containers (similar to docker, but better) for your development environment instead
[17:27] <duo_ubuntu> yes I know lots of thing not use
[17:28] <fromBeyond> lotuspsychje: TJ-: I have now installed latest nvidia-drivers as suggested, rebooted the machine, and everything works as it is supposed to (a bit faster even). But, the weird thing is, that no grahics is used in the program... So maybe the reboot is what helped (but i did reboot a few times before this already)
[17:29] <tomreyn> hggdh: oh right this is actually bug 1369216
[17:29] <fromBeyond> no graphics, or GPU computing is used*
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> fromBeyond: glad you got it solved, we try to fix ubuntu as a whole here, try to widen the users options, even if not really related
[17:30] <sfan5> are there any mirrors available for https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com?
[17:31] <TJ-> fromBeyond: if it happens again, *profile* it :)
[18:04] <fromBeyond> lotuspsychje:if this is not related, please tell me. But I want to learn with this question: I have a benchmark, that runs 8-10ms on my ubuntu machine. On a windows machine (exact same hardware), the benchmark runs at 18-20ms. On a mac (same CPU, othr specs similar) it runs roughly like on windows. All programs are compiled using the same compiler, clang. (Mentioning this, because if you compile it usins
[18:04] <fromBeyond> Visual Studio on Windows, it runs 30ms). What are some things I could look into, to understand why ubuntu outperforms them so much (in a real time system, x2 is huge)
[18:06] <lotuspsychje> fromBeyond: come to #ubuntu-discuss if you like mate
[18:06] <fromBeyond> will do
[18:20] <ZaZaGX> would you guys recommend Sophos Antivirus, lynis, and chkrootkit for Ubuntu? because i'm using them right now. not sure if i have enough protection
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> ZaZaGX: we dont really take polls here, only ubuntu support questions
[18:22] <ZaZaGX> oh, okay. i'm not taking a poll
[18:23] <lotuspsychje> ZaZaGX: what is it you want then?
[18:28] <ZaZaGX> just wondering if i have enough protection.
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> !security | ZaZaGX start here
[18:39] <uRock> ZaZaGX, Aside from the defaults, I set up the firewall using GUFW. There is plenty security information to be found in the Security sub-forum of ubuntuforums.org.
[18:47] <ZaZaGX> thanks
[18:48] <ZaZaGX> I have GUFW installed already and enable a while back ago
[18:48] <ZaZaGX> some of the stuff on there are outdated
[18:49] <uRock> such as?
[18:49] <uRock> I haven't looked in a while
[18:51] <ZaZaGX> rkhunter, not i'm not sure. i never used it
[18:53] <uRock> I haven't either. At one time I got into creating AppArmor profiles, but haven't touched any of that for years.
[18:53] <ZaZaGX> the orginal author of rkhunter made lynis. which i use
[18:54] <uRock> I tend to do testing of things, such as opening suspected files in VMs. I don't have any public facing services. If I did, then I'd definitely be doing a lot more than the defaults.
[18:55] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | uRock ZaZaGX
[18:56] <Azendale> (Almost all) of my desktop applications freeze with 100% CPU when they try to send a notification. Thunderbird is an exception, which freezes for about a minute, then unfreezes and falls back to it's own little notification. How do I debug this?
[18:56] <uRock> I didn't go there lotuspsychje because it was already being flooded.
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> uRock: your choice, but then stick to ubuntu support questions here please
[18:58] <Azendale> QGIS, nm-applet are other programs that freeze (and never unfreeze) that I can think of off the top of my head. This happens on the KDE and mint desktop environments. I do not know about GNOME3.
[19:02] <uRock> Azendale, are you able to use htop in a terminal to see what is caussing the 100% usage? Also, what model CPU do you have. My Netbook's processor stays at 100% when the browser is open.
[19:03] <Azendale> uRock, it's the application that tried to send the notification. CPU model is a Intel i7 8 core processor. Hammers 1 core.
[19:24] <ZaZaGX> !usn
[19:38] <dwilson5817> is it possible to use networkd to make all IPv6s in a subnet accessible without having to write each one under an [Address] directive in /etc/systemd/network?
[19:39] <dwilson5817> i'm statically assigning them as it's in a server environment and DHCP isn't available. i'm assuming it's not possible without DHCP?
[19:47] <TJ-> dwilson5817: the way linux does it is the "AnyIP" facility, to bind a subnet to the lo interface
[19:48] <dwilson5817> TJ-: okay, I see.  I'll have a little look into it to see how the configuration would look like, thanks!
[19:48] <tds> TJ-: is that enough to have the host reply to NSes for them as well?
[19:49] <tds> I suppose it'd work combined with a userspace ndp proxy daemon to reply for you, that seems a little hacky though
[19:49] <TJ-> tds: yes, it is
[19:49] <tds> oh, TIL, handy!
[19:50] <tds> I'm sure I tried it a while ago and couldn't persuade it to go, but I was probably doing something wrong
[19:50] <TJ-> dwilson5817: I'm not sure how you'd tell systemd-networkd to configure it but you can test it manually, with e.g. "ip -6 route add local 2001:AAAA:BBBB:CCCC::/64 dev lo"
[19:51] <dwilson5817> TJ- I'll have a go with it now and see how I get on
[19:52] <tds> TJ-: hmm yeah, testing that again the IPs seem to be bound to the test box OK, I can ping them all from itself, it doesn't reply to NSes for the entire subnet though
[19:57] <QR> hi. when i put ASCII art banner its not showing up on logins but only normal text shown. what should i enable?
[19:57] <TJ-> tds: maybe it does need ndppd - I note the last reply here: https://serverfault.com/questions/590038/adding-a-whole-ipv6-64-block-to-an-network-interface-on-debian
[19:57] <Ipsilon> Not sure if this is the place to ask this. But I'm a developer, and my company (startup) has an IT dept that is not super experienced with linux. I wanted to know how companies usually leverage LTS with using the newest tools (gcc, cmake, etc). Any pointing in the right direction would be appreciated.
[19:58] <shinji257> This looks useful for something I was looking at except I just wanted to do a /112 splice of a /64 block that I have.
[20:05] <Aleric> If I run do-release-upgrade, where will it download all the new packages to?
[20:12] <TJ-> Aleric: same place as always, /var/cache/apt/archives/
[20:14] <bane> hey guys... attempting to run a particular application (dockstation) as sudo my desktop icon... added 'pkexec' ('exec=pkexec "path/to/app")
[20:14] <bane> that actually prompted me for sudo credentials,  but then i found out that pkexec is only for applications which don't have a gui :P
[20:14] <bane> so since gksudo, kdesudo and all theother ones have been deprecated, i guess the only solution is polkit?
[20:15] <TJ-> bane: pkexec is policy-kit exec !
[20:15] <tomreyn> where did you read that 'pkexec is only for applications which don't have a gui'?
[20:16] <bane> well
[20:16] <TJ-> bane: polkit is configured to allow the 'sudo' group, in /etc/polkit-1/localauthority.conf.d/51-ubuntu-admin.conf:2:AdminIdentities=unix-group:sudo;unix-group:admin
[20:16] <bane> when i attempted to run the application, nothing showed up
[20:16] <bane> i was prompted for creds, but the application never appeared
[20:18] <{Opsimath}Shawn> howdy
[20:18] <tomreyn> bane: and no error message on the terminal where you ran it?
[20:18] <{Opsimath}Shawn> how come the latest ubuntu install doesn't detect my M6400's wifi?
[20:18] <{Opsimath}Shawn> this is so unlike linux
[20:19] <bane> tomreyn: no, i modified the .desktop file - trying to get the application to run as sudo when i click on the desktop icon
[20:20] <tomreyn> bane: i see. well, try it from a terminal, see if any error is reported.
[20:20] <bane> hmmm
[20:20] <bane> 1 sec
[20:21] <tomreyn> {Opsimath}Shawn: M6400 is a dell precision workstation. do you know the wireless chipset?
[20:21] <bane> tomreyn: (dockstation:13356): Gtk-WARNING **: 16:21:11.454: cannot open display:
[20:21] <tomreyn> {Opsimath}Shawn: this may list it:  lspci -knn | grep -EA3 '(Network|Ethernet) controller'  | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:21] <hggdh> {Opsimath}Shawn: and what version of Ubuntu? "latest" does not pin it
[20:22] <{Opsimath}Shawn> 18.04.2 lts
[20:22] <{Opsimath}Shawn> not latest, sorry
[20:23] <TJ-> bane: that'll be because the environment is being reset, and DISPLAY= is not there
[20:23] <bane> hmmm
[20:23] <bane> just don't want to implement some work around that could cause potential security issues
[20:24] <TJ-> bane: see "man pkexec" and the environment notes, where it shows how to enable it with "... org.freedesktop.policykit.exec.allow_gui  ..."
[20:24] <{Opsimath}Shawn> I can'
[20:24] <{Opsimath}Shawn> I can't netcat on an unconnected machine
[20:25] <{Opsimath}Shawn> and I dont have a working battery
[20:25] <Aleric> Last time I tried to upgrade to 18.04 I had a complete lock up that I had to manually fix in recovery because the upgrade script ran out of diskspace. I did write a bug report about that and I believe it was fixed now, but now I need to upgrade another machine from 16.x to 18.04 and I'm not sure if this bug is fixed on 16.x ;). I can't remember where I can find my bug report however :/.  What website would contain it?
[20:25] <TJ-> "As a result, pkexec will not allow you to run X11 applications as another user since the $DISPLAY and
[20:25] <TJ->        $XAUTHORITY environment variables are not set
[20:26] <tomreyn> {Opsimath}Shawn: oh i had hoped you had another means to get it online
[20:26] <{Opsimath}Shawn> :/
[20:27] <hggdh> Aleric: if the bug was for us (Ubuntu), it will be at bugs.launchpad.net. Log in there, and look for your own bugs
[20:28] <{Opsimath}Shawn> is it normal for linux to skip out on intel wifi chipsets?
[20:28] <tomreyn> {Opsimath}Shawn: maybe you have a mobile phone + usb cable you can connect to it so it can tether?
[20:28] <{Opsimath}Shawn> I would need to find a tether app
[20:29] <tomreyn> on android, that's built-in
[20:29] <tomreyn> i think intel wireless chipsets are usually well supported. sometimes you may need newer firmware.
[20:30] <{Opsimath}Shawn> oh its broadcom
[20:30] <tomreyn> that's different
[20:30] <{Opsimath}Shawn> https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Broadcom_BCM94322HM8L
[20:30] <tomreyn> generally, with all hardware, it's effectively that either the chipset vendor provides drivers for linux, or there is no or just spotty support (there are some exeptions where there are reverse engineered drivers)
[20:30] <{Opsimath}Shawn> I thought it had an intel, sorry
[20:31] <jeremy31> {Opsimath}Shawn: install bcmwl-kernel-source
[20:36] <{Opsimath}Shawn> I have another mpcie ethernet card
[20:36] <{Opsimath}Shawn> https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Intel_Centrino_Advanced-N_6200_(622ANHMW)
[20:37] <{Opsimath}Shawn> which one is newer?
[20:37] <{Opsimath}Shawn> or better
[20:37] <Aleric> hggdh, thanks. Not there though.. It seems I have reported 5 bugs to lauchpad.net/ubuntu in the past three years. All 5 are still at "undecided" "new", aka - nobody ever even looked at them it seems. Pfft.
[20:38] <Aleric> Nothing about a partition running full during release-upgrade though.
[20:38] <jeremy31> {Opsimath}Shawn: I would use Intel any time versus Broadcom
[20:38] <{Opsimath}Shawn> better?
[20:39] <jeremy31> {Opsimath}Shawn: yes, kernel supported and you can use the channels you want
[20:39] <tomreyn> {Opsimath}Shawn: this is wireless lan, not ethernet. your computer already has ethernet, you'd just need to connect a wire.
[20:39] <{Opsimath}Shawn> I know....
[20:40] <tomreyn> okay, you said "ethernet", so i thought i'd point it out.
[20:40] <{Opsimath}Shawn> I need wireless, where I am going there isn't ethernet
[20:40] <{Opsimath}Shawn> oh pardon, my mentioning ethernet was a mistake
[20:40] <tomreyn> np ;)
[20:40] <jeremy31> {Opsimath}Shawn: As long as the BIOS doesn't have a whitelist, use the Intel
[20:41] <{Opsimath}Shawn> thankfully it doesn't
[20:41] <{Opsimath}Shawn> only laptop I have had a whitelist with is HP
[20:42] <{Opsimath}Shawn> I also have a https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Intel_Wireless_WiFi_Link_4965AGN
[20:43] <{Opsimath}Shawn> between the centrino and this, which one would be better?
[20:43] <mintJ> hi , when i'm trying to create zfs i got : cannot create parent does not exist , also if i send from another server i got : cannot receive new filesystem stream: dataset does not exist
[20:44] <Aleric> Duh - launchpad isn't giving all your bug reports... I found the bug number back in my emails and that turns out to DO exist on launchpad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1786484
[20:44] <bane> alright
[20:44] <bane> so i just attempted to make a polkit policy for dockstation
[20:44] <bane> let's see if i can actually use the icon on my desktop now
[20:44] <jeremy31> {Opsimath}Shawn: Use the Centrino 6200, much newer than the 4965
[20:46] <dwilson5817> if I'm mounting a backup space as a NFS is it okay to mount it in /mnt/?  the Linux Filesystem Hierarchy says that /mnt/ should be used a temporary mount point?
[20:47] <bane> nope didn't wrk
[20:47] <bane> god this is almost as bad as se-linux
[20:47] <bane> rip gksudo, kdesudo, gfsudo
[20:48] <jeremy31> bane, check the path on EXEC
[20:48] <{Opsimath}Shawn> but the 4965 has 3 coaxials
[20:48] <jeremy31> {Opsimath}Shawn: It is an antique
[20:48] <{Opsimath}Shawn> so is this m6400
[20:48] <{Opsimath}Shawn> this m6400 is the only other laptop I have had that has 3 coaxials for the WLAN card
[20:48] <{Opsimath}Shawn> *bay
[20:52] <bane> jeremy31: it works and prompts for a password
[20:52] <bane> but then nothing appears
[20:52] <bane> if i perform the same command in konsole, then i get a display error
[20:52] <{Opsimath}Shawn> using the centrino
[20:52] <bane> i then tried to make a polkit policy and it didnt see to make a different
[20:52] <bane> difference*
[20:53] <jeremy31> {Opsimath}Shawn: I have been troubleshooting wifi issues in Linux for about 4 years https://askubuntu.com/tags/wireless/topusers
[20:54] <jeremy31> bane is the file named dockstation?
[20:54] <bane> yes
[20:54] <{Opsimath}Shawn> neat
[20:54] <bane> lol
[20:54] <bane> it's "/opt/DockStation/dockstation"
[20:54] <jeremy31> bane, see if the path in the polkit matches what you see in terminal for> locate dockstation
[20:54] <bane> i'll link the polkit i made
[20:54] <bane> sec
[20:55] <{Opsimath}Shawn> intel one works, though its not accepting my password
[20:55] <TJ-> bane: did you restart the "polkit.service" ?
[20:56] <bane> jeremy31: https://pastebin.com/P2bVyNPn
[20:56] <bane> TJ: no
[20:56] <{Opsimath}Shawn> I got it
[20:56] <jeremy31> bane path isn't /opt/DockStation/dockstation.pkexec
[20:56] <bane> restarted it now lol
[20:56] <bane> and also
[20:56] <bane> uhhh
[20:56] <TJ-> bane: there's no gui annotation there
[20:57] <TJ-> bane: it needs a " <annotate key="org.freedesktop.policykit.exec.allow_gui">true</annotate> "
[20:58] <jeremy31> {Opsimath}Shawn: some tips on wifi from a master https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2354328&p=13614520&#post13614520
[20:58] <bane> O_o
[20:58] <bane> oh?
[21:00] <bane> so
[21:00] <{Opsimath}Shawn> what is all that?
[21:00] <bane> TJ-: I'm guessing it would need 2 keys then?
[21:00] <{Opsimath}Shawn> works fine with an intel chipset, got what I need
[21:00] <bane> org.freedeskto.policykit.exec.path as well as the gui one
[21:01] <bane> what about a network annotate key as well? Do i have to define a key for every capability of the program?
[21:01] <TJ-> bane: correct
[21:01] <bane> lol because it's kinda using docker which who knows wtf that needs
[21:01] <TJ-> bane: gui should be sufficent
[21:01] <bane> hmmm
[21:02] <TJ-> bane: are you sure there isn't a policy file available for it already?
[21:03] <bane> TJ-: i don't see anything
[21:04] <bane> and i don't see any predefined polkit policies within their documentation anyway
[21:04] <bane> they just recommend creaint a dockstation group and adding your user to it
[21:04] <bane> but apparently, a ton of security risks come with that
[21:09] <bane> TJ-: Also still getting this: (dockstation:16682): Gtk-WARNING **: 17:08:47.824: cannot open display:
[21:09] <bane> that's when i issue pkexec /opt/DockStation/dockstation from konsole
[21:10] <jeremy31> bane it should just be> pkexec dockstation
[21:11] <bane> hmmm
[21:11] <bane> tried that as well
[21:11] <bane> same error
[21:11] <bane> cannot open display gtk-warning
[21:16] <jeremy31> bane see https://raw.githubusercontent.com/hotice/webupd8/master/org.gnome.gedit.policy for an example polkit for gedit
[21:20] <bane> looking into it now jeremy31
[21:20] <bane> appreciate the help
[21:22] <bane> still getting those display errors :/
[21:26] <TJ-> bane: where are you putting the policy file ?
[21:26] <bane> "/usr/share/polkit-1/actions"
[21:27] <TJ-> bane: and you're restarting polkit.service after changes?
[21:27] <bane> service polkit restart
[21:27] <bane> yep
[21:27] <bane> should i modify the .desktop file at all at this point
[21:27] <bane> or just leave everything default
[21:29] <TJ-> bane: actually, it is a dbus-activated service so possibly restart might not be necessary; it isn't clear whether it puts an inotify watch on that directory to read new drop-ins
[21:29] <bane> TJ- i'm also wondering if i should create a bash script in this rules.d file like several other applications have
[21:30] <jeremy31> bane, paste the new policy file to pastebin
[21:30] <bane> k
[21:31] <bane> https://pastebin.com/47WnF6kP
[21:34] <TJ-> bane: does " pkaction --action-id org.dockstation" report correctly?
[21:34] <bane> lemme see
[21:35] <TJ-> bane: add "--verbose" to that to see the entire info
[21:35] <bane> wow
[21:35] <wpinacz> Hello, any1 could help with nvidia driver (login loop) ?
[21:35] <bane> so many files
[21:36] <bane> i need to increase my konsole to 2000 lines prob
[21:36] <TJ-> bane: you should only get a single report, showing effectively the content of the policy file, but not in XMP form
[21:36] <TJ-> grrr, XML
[21:37] <jeremy31> bane or use this after the command to dump it to a file in home > error.txt
[21:37] <bane> yeah no worries
[21:37] <bane> i'll upload it
[21:37] <bane> just alot
[21:38] <TJ-> bane: here's an example of what to expect: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RbwYtSCwXf/
[21:38] <bane> okay then no
[21:38] <bane> it's not reporting correctly
[21:38] <bane> its dumping everything
[21:38] <bane> every policy
[21:38] <bane> whoops
[21:38] <bane> syntax error
[21:38] <bane> lel
[21:39] <bane> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jKWvQ88W8q/
[21:40] <TJ-> bane: your file works for me when I drop it into /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.dockstation.policy:  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Pkgr2jPHHB/
[21:41] <bane> uhhh
[21:41] <bane> well
[21:41] <bane> not sure if the policy name matters
[21:41] <bane> but it's org.dockstation.pkexec
[21:41] <bane> i think
[21:42] <TJ-> filename shouldn't matter
[21:42] <bane> org.dockstation.pkexec.policy
[21:42] <bane> l i didn't think so
[21:42] <bane> but apparently this is se-linux
[21:42] <bane> can i see your desktop icon?
[21:42] <bane> the .desktop output
[21:43] <bane> maybe i hosed mine
[21:43] <bane> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4krynPz2zr/
[21:43] <bane> that's mine
[21:43] <bane> and it symlinks to /usr/share/applications/
[21:46] <TJ-> bane: I don't have dockstation installed; I am just confirming that polkit is registering the policy correctly
[21:46] <bane> maybe the binary needs to be in /usr/bin?
[21:47] <bane> or symlinked there?
[21:47] <bane> not sure if that would mess anything up
[21:47] <TJ-> bane: "dockstation" needs to be in $PATH
[21:48] <TJ-> bane: or else use its absolute path in the exec clause
[21:48] <bane> would i still need pkexec in front of the exec=? or does polkit handle all that on the back end
[21:49] <jeremy31> This should be correct-  <annotate key="org.freedesktop.policykit.exec.path">/opt/DockStation/dockstation</annotate>
[21:49] <TJ-> bane: not something I've investigated but I'd think it would need "pkexec" else it would execute as your user
[21:49] <bane> kk
[21:50] <TJ-> bane: if in a GUI terminal you do "pkexec /opt/DockStation/dockstation" what response do you get?
[21:50] <bane> omg
[21:50] <bane> it worked
[21:51] <bane> so i had to modify the .desktop a bit
[21:51] <bane> will paste it
[21:51] <bane> https://pastebin.com/Gx1xyBT1
[21:52] <bane> so that actually wasn't too bad
[21:52] <bane> just a nice little rabbithole
[21:56] <wpinacz> So any1 with nvidia knowledge to help ?
[21:57] <jeremy31> I guess cryptodan_mobile is being quiet
[21:58] <bane> thanks so much guys
[22:04] <cryptodan_mobile> Hi
[22:06] <jeremy31> Hi cryptodan_mobile can you help wpinacz with a nvidia issue?
[22:06] <cryptodan_mobile> wpinacz: what's the issue
[22:09] <wpinacz> I've got HP laptop with intel/nvidia gpus, after installing nvidia driver i can't login (login loop), switching to intel (prime-select intel) works
[22:10] <cryptodan_mobile> wpinacz: add the graphics-driver ppa and use it.
[22:11] <wpinacz> tried any version 390 to 430, almost the same
[22:11] <wpinacz> tried remove and purge nvidia* and install then but no go
[22:12] <cryptodan_mobile> What nvidia card, and the kernel? Also are you using encryption
[22:12] <wpinacz> no encryption
[22:12] <cryptodan_mobile> Using secure boot?
[22:13] <wpinacz> secure boot disabled
[22:13] <wpinacz> Ubuntu 4.18.0-25.26~18.04.1-generic 4.18.20
[22:13] <cryptodan_mobile> What video card
[22:14] <wpinacz> Intel Corporation HD Graphics 530
[22:14] <wpinacz> and
[22:14] <wpinacz> NVIDIA Corporation GM107M [GeForce GTX 950M]
[22:15] <wpinacz> I was finding solution in askubuntu and others but no solution works
[22:16] <wpinacz> strange is when I installed nv driver firstly after reboot "prime-select query" showed "nvidia", after switching to intel and back to nvidia it loops
[22:18] <cryptodan_mobile> What desktop
[22:19] <wpinacz> default = ubuntu
[22:19] <wpinacz> tried wayland and works oob
[22:19] <cryptodan_mobile> Nvidia and wayland dont workwell
[22:19] <wpinacz> yes, too slow, but works with nvidia
[22:20] <cryptodan_mobile> Drop wayland if you want nvidia
[22:20] <wpinacz> i dont want wayland
[22:21] <wpinacz> i'm using now default desktop but only with intel
[22:21] <cryptodan_mobile> https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-disable-wayland-and-enable-xorg-display-server-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[22:24] <wpinacz> sure, i'll check and reboot and come back
[22:25] <jeremy31> Thanks cryptodan_mobile
[22:26] <cryptodan_mobile> Np
[22:32] <wpinacz> changing to WaylandEnable=False, reboot, intel login works, changing to nvidia then after login black screen with bunch of errors
[22:34] <wpinacz> nvidia-modeset error gpu 0 failed to query display engine
[22:35] <cryptodan_mobile> Reinstall nvidia
[22:36] <wpinacz> tried that already
[22:36] <wpinacz> maybe some other method to reinstall
[22:37] <wpinacz> tried "sudo apt remove nvidia*" and after "sudo apt purge nvidia*", then reboot and "sudo ubuntu-drivers install"
[22:38] <wpinacz> tried same thing in GUI selecting other version of drivers
[22:39] <wpinacz> weird thing is in nvidia-settings, there's empty beside i can choose between intel/nvidia, no settings, no infos
[22:41] <cryptodan_mobile> wpinacz: try apt install nvidia-driver-430
[22:42] <wpinacz> i have installed 430
[22:43] <wpinacz> Firstly after installing ubuntu i had 390 and works
[22:43] <wpinacz> then i installed 430 and problem occured
[22:43] <wpinacz> now i have problem after removing 430 and installing 390
[22:43] <wpinacz> none of the versions works
[22:44] <wpinacz> currently at 430
[22:44] <cryptodan_mobile> So see if a kernel upgrade from 4.18 to 4.20 or 5 fixes it
[22:45] <wpinacz> sure, i had some kernel update between driver updates, maybe that's the problem
[22:45] <wpinacz> i'll try tomorrow (today ;]) after work
[22:46] <wpinacz> thank's for Your support cryptodan_mobile
[22:46] <cryptodan_mobile> Anytime
[22:46] <wpinacz> bye all
[23:16] <sybariten> hey! Anyone running webmin?
[23:16] <sybariten> I'm thinking of installing it on a headless ubuntu 16.04 machine
[23:17] <TJ-> sybariten: Yes
[23:19] <df00z> Crud.   Did Ekiga fall out of the ubuntu repositories in disco?
[23:21] <sybariten> TJ-: it is pretty simple to install, it seems?
[23:22] <sybariten> one tutorial i saw only used an apt-get install and then they could dial right in
[23:22] <ZaZaGX> hmmm, i don't see Ekiga in the apt-get
[23:23] <ZaZaGX> i only found this when i typed in Ekiga. sound-theme-freedesktop - freedesktop.org sound theme
[23:23] <df00z> Yeah it like disappeared.  Weird.
[23:23] <df00z> And unfortunate :(
[23:23] <ZaZaGX> whoa, its 6 years old
[23:23] <ZaZaGX> hasn't been updated
[23:24] <TJ-> sybariten: yes; a .deb package or use the virtualmin.com repository they provide
[23:24] <ZaZaGX> i guess they don't include old softwares
[23:24] <sybariten> TJ-: aha, whats that? I need to learn more about package management i think
[23:25] <sybariten> in my tutorial they're basicly adding this to sources.list   deb http://download.webmin.com/download/repository sarge contrib   .... i dont know exactly what that means
[23:25] <ZaZaGX> oh it says on wikipedia that Ekiga service was discontined in 2018.
[23:26] <sybariten> for instance, is it possible to add things to source.list so that you kinda break your system?
[23:26] <tomreyn> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=911593
[23:27] <tomreyn> ubuntu imported ekiga from debian, which dropped the package for the reasons given on this bug report
[23:27] <ZaZaGX> not sure if services works anymore anyways
[23:28] <ZaZaGX> there are plenty of VoIP alternative for linux anyways
[23:31] <tomreyn> like other VoIP clients, ekiga implements standardized protocols and can be used with multiple service providers which make use of these protocols. there was an ekiga serives offer but using it was never required.
[23:31] <tomreyn> ekiga looks pretty unmaintained upstream, though, so i'd also look for other options.
[23:32] <ZaZaGX> i typed in comparison of voip software on google. it shows a compare of all VoIP
[23:53] <friendofafriend> Hello.  Why might bash completion not work when using apt?
[23:55] <ZaZaGX> i dont get your question. Can you elaborate on that?
[23:56] <friendofafriend> I type "apt install <somepartialpackagename> and hit Tab.  Nothing happens.
[23:56] <friendofafriend> I've got bash-completion installed.
[23:57] <ZaZaGX> oh, why not enter?
[23:57] <friendofafriend> Because I want to see a listing of all the packages that start with that string.
[23:57] <tomreyn> echo $SHELL     returns what?
[23:58] <ZaZaGX> i tpyed in apt and than the tab button
[23:58] <tomreyn> and which ubuntu version are you running?   nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};echo "$XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ($XDG_SESSION_TYPE)";)
[23:59] <friendofafriend> $SHELL is /bin/bash.


[04:29] <Sarvatt> ml|transit: hope you took monday off too after that mess :P
[05:14] <ml|transit> hey :p
[05:14] <mlankhorst> Sarvatt: naw
[05:14] <mlankhorst> I'm stuck at schiphol international airport now for 2 hours
[05:14] <mlankhorst> trains won't go
[05:14] <mlankhorst> so now I set up some basic wep to my phone
[05:20] <mlankhorst> wow.. those flash hacks actually made it into libvdpau?
[07:08] <tjaalton> RAOF: btw, xstraces on the compiz hang bug. dunno if they're of any use though
[08:19] <eruditehermit> hey
[08:19] <eruditehermit> does ppa-purge work again with multiarch?
[08:42] <eruditehermit> the answer seems to be no
[08:42] <eruditehermit> painful hand downgrade in progress
[08:42] <eruditehermit> =)
[10:30] <mlankhorst> well, watching my email box, it seems the last 2 weeks have been boring :P
[10:31] <tjaalton> very
[10:32] <tjaalton> barring some mesa regressions that made us go back to the old snapshot
[10:33] <mlankhorst> did we get openchrome 0.3.1 in?
[10:35] <tjaalton> yes
[10:35] <mlankhorst> ah k
[10:39] <mlankhorst> suppose I'll spin a new x-1.13 renamed stack then
[11:23] <MCR1> Hi everyone. :) I came here to complain :-D
[11:23] <tjaalton> who doesn't
[11:23] <MCR1> Are you aware of constant visual lockups on Quantal ?
[11:23] <tjaalton> no
[11:23] <MCR1> seems the recent mesa upgrade is responsible
[11:24] <tjaalton> we have the same mesa as a couple of weeks ago
[11:24] <MCR1> They are hardcore critical - the display completely locks mainly when doing larger file operations - those continue to work in the background at least, sound etc. all continues to run, but the display freezes except for the mousepointer
[11:24] <MCR1> Those happened first time after recent xorg upgrades
[11:25] <tjaalton> what hw
[11:25] <MCR1> amd ati hd5750 on gallium driver
[11:25] <MCR1> but there are other reports with intel hw as well
[11:26] <MCR1> the lockups only happen when doing file operations like compiling or upgrading
[11:28] <MCR1> First I thought my SSD might die, but all file operations continue once the visuals locked up, also sounds continue to play like nothing happened
[11:29] <tjaalton> apt-cache policy libgl1-mesa-dri
[11:29] <MCR1> The only way to get back to normal state is via reboot on a VT
[11:29] <tjaalton> what does it say
[11:29] <MCR1> Installed: 9.0~git20120903.e1673d20.is.git20120821.c1114c61-0ubuntu1
[11:29] <tjaalton> and when did it work the last time?
[11:30] <MCR1> Some days ago (2 or 3), before the most recent xorg updates
[11:30] <tjaalton> and before that?
[11:30] <MCR1> never
[11:30]  * xnox ++ high IO locks up compiz. Sometimes after IO is gone doing tty7 -> tty1 -> tty7 fixes the pointer lock up
[11:31] <tjaalton> ok, so it's fixed in current mesa master, but we can't put it in before i915 works
[11:31] <xnox> well mouse pointer, who knows if it's compiz or not.
[11:31] <xnox> tjaalton: how can I run that?
[11:31] <tjaalton> xnox: the newer snapshot?
[11:32] <tjaalton> might be available via launchpad
[11:32] <tjaalton> unless the debs are removed already
[11:32] <tjaalton> or build from the git repo
[11:32] <xnox> =/
[11:32] <xnox> i was hoping for something like xorg-edgers ppa
[11:34] <MCR1> It is really a nasty problem, because I almost never can get compiling of Compiz/Unity to finish without a complete visual lock-up :P
[11:36] <MCR1> First I thought my SSD is maybe dying, but then others confirmed the same thing happening to them...
[11:36] <tjaalton> i heard you
[11:37] <tjaalton> try searching from your /var/cache/apt/archives if you still have the old versions around...
[11:37] <MCR1> I guess not, because I am cleaning up often...
[11:39]  * ricotz tries will try to push a new mesa snapshot to xedgers < Sarvatt
[11:39] <MCR1> Thanx ricotz :)
[11:54] <MCR1> tjaalton, thanx also for the fast response 8-)
[11:58]  * mlankhorst putting a renamed x1.13 back together in his personal ppa with armel
[12:26] <mlankhorst> RAOF: ping? would it be possible to SRU plymouth 0.8.4 for getting rid of arm libdrm dependency or should I just backport the relevant patches?
[12:32] <ricotz> xnox, MCR1, mesa should be published in a bit in edgers
[12:32] <xnox> ricotz: merci =)
[12:32] <MCR1> ricotz: yes, thx
[12:33] <ricotz> this is a snapshot from the 9.0 branch so shouldnt be that cracky anymore
[12:33]  * MCR1 already fears the process of removing it later once fglrx will work on Quantal ;)
[12:34] <tjaalton> you don't need to pull all of edgers..
[12:34] <ricotz> yes, just pull mesa and libdrm
[12:34] <tjaalton> quantal has 2.4.39..
[12:35] <MCR1> tjaalton: oh, good tip - thx 8-)
[12:35] <MCR1> ricotz: thx
[12:35] <MCR1> afk
[12:35] <ricotz> tjaalton, hmm, this might be enough, yeah
[13:12] <MCR1> ricotz: I just saw that xorg-edgers also has a fglrx-installer - Is this tested and working ?
[13:13] <tjaalton> there is no working version for 1.13
[13:13] <MCR1> yeah, thought so... thx
[14:03] <mlankhorst> arghh
[14:03] <mlankhorst> mesa-lts-quantal requires llvm-3.1?
[14:03] <tjaalton> oh
[14:04] <tjaalton> currently at least, and it's expected to get bumped in newer releases too
[14:05] <tjaalton> maybe we could backport llvm there?
[14:05] <tjaalton> don't know if 3.0/3.1 makes any difference
[14:07] <mlankhorst> no idea if it matters or not, I guess I'll manually downgrade it to 3.0 for now
[14:07] <tjaalton> you need to change the patch too
[14:07] <tjaalton> that hardcodes the version
[14:07] <mlankhorst> ok :)
[14:08] <tjaalton> or skip mesa, as it's broken on some hw
[14:08] <tjaalton> for now
[14:08] <mlankhorst> I'll just rename current mesa, then
[16:15] <mlankhorst> poor mesa builder, still going at it
[17:50] <bryceh> welcome back mlankhorst
[17:53] <bryceh> tjaalton, btw looks like for the package status page I'm not going to be able to continue pulling in the package notes from wiki
[17:54] <bryceh> tjaalton, they've added some new security for the wiki that makes it difficult to screen scrape it (at least, via perl).  I'll have to go back to the drawing board and come up with some new solution.  But that'll have to be next cycle; I'll probably just rewrite the whole thing into python.
[18:19] <mlankhorst> bryceh: ty :)
[18:59] <tjaalton> bryceh: ok, no worries
[19:00] <tjaalton> it's great even without the notes :)
[19:00] <tjaalton> hmm so hybrid pain with intel on quantal.. sounds like I need to dualboot my laptop, still keep precise around for the other bugs..
[19:01] <tjaalton> and quite fun that the touchpad hotkey on the thinkpad kills the device, so that to enable it again you need to restart the server
[19:01] <tjaalton> need to figure out what's wrong there. tomorrow
[21:09] <popey> pip pip
[21:10] <popey> i have an Acer Aspire Revo R3600 which is a 'nettop' with Atom CPU and nVidia ION GPU. I just did a clean install of 12.04 and get a desktop which goes black after a few seconds..
[21:10] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/125608/unity-3d-no-longer-works-after-installing-12-04 suggests it's a video driver issue and that i can roll back to nvidia-current 295-33
[21:11] <popey> but it seems to no longer be in the x-swat/x-updates ppa..
[21:11] <popey> *sadface*
[21:11] <popey> is there some other solution? I actually want to run unity 2d on this, not 3d, it will be an xbmc frontend
[21:12]  * popey tickles bjsnider :)
[21:13] <bjsnider> well, the 295 blob is still on the server, but the download link is not explicitly shown anywhere
[21:13] <Sarvatt> popey: if its that bug you can use nvidia-current-updates instead of nvidia-current
[21:13] <bjsnider> assuming that's really the problem
[21:14] <Sarvatt> there's a 304.xx nvidia-current-updates in precise-proposed also that may fix it
[21:16] <bjsnider> i don't think i've got any quantal drivers in x-updates at this point
[21:17] <popey> ooh
[21:17]  * popey tries
[21:17] <popey> ok, this is getting 295.49
[21:17] <Sarvatt> thats supposed to fix the bug in 294.40
[21:17] <popey> sweet!
[21:20] <bjsnider> 295? that's old
[21:22] <popey> nope, still broken
[21:22] <Sarvatt> 304.43 is in precise-proposed waiting to go into updates
[21:22] <popey> clean install so this doesn't have proposed, I'll enable that
[21:24] <Sarvatt> i386? might want to just grab the deb https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-updates/304.43-0ubuntu0.1/+build/3750320/+files/nvidia-current-updates_304.43-0ubuntu0.1_i386.deb
[21:24] <popey> amd64
[21:24] <popey> this is gonna suck for non-techy people
[21:24] <Sarvatt> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-updates/304.43-0ubuntu0.1/+build/3750319/+files/nvidia-current-updates_304.43-0ubuntu0.1_amd64.deb
[21:24] <bjsnider> are you sure this is an nvidia issue?
[21:26] <popey> unity and compiz are still running, and the way the screen breaks up is kinda odd
[21:26] <popey> it's like someone is writing zeroes over the texture ram
[21:26] <bjsnider> what happens exactly?
[21:26] <popey> bits go black, first the panel line by line, quite quickly, then the launcher, then the desktop
[21:27] <bjsnider> that's a new unity feature
[21:27] <popey> funny man :)
[21:27] <bjsnider> not buying that one?
[21:27] <popey> unity is still running, i can start apps, and then switch to tty0 and see the processes
[21:29] <bjsnider> anything helpful in .xsession-errors?
[21:31] <popey> just doing updates will see after I restart
[21:37] <popey> man alive, Atom is slow for doing dkms kernel modules
[21:46] <popey> bah, still fails
[21:48] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1197551/
[21:48] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1197553
[21:52]  * popey uploads youtube video of it
[21:53] <popey> hmm, compiz eating 100%
[22:03] <bryceh> RAOF, when you get in, would you mind accepting mesa 8.0.4 to -proposed?  Bug #1019444.  I want to get on with doing the final round of piglit testing for it.
[23:17] <RAOF> bryceh: Most assuredly!
[23:45] <LLStarks> hmm
[23:45] <LLStarks> intel 2.20.7 has uxa prime and sna prime
[23:45] <LLStarks> awesome