[02:07] <Roey> BluesKaj:  hi
[02:07] <Roey> tar gives me this when I try and tar an archive:  tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors
[02:35] <NanduX> that usually means that the file is corrupted, how are you invoking tar?
[03:45] <omar> Hello
[07:25] <bshah> hello! Whick package ships XCB?
[07:26] <valorie> !info xcb
[07:26] <valorie> hmmm, does that answer your question, bshah?
[07:27] <bshah> valorie: I mean xcb libs..
[07:27] <bshah> I want to compile kde-workspace on top of KF5.. and this cmake errors killing me...
[07:28] <valorie> have you tried just using project-neon?
[07:28] <bshah> yes even in it I am getting this error http://paste.kde.org/pd1e6e267/
[07:28] <valorie> they have a kf5 branch, as I recall
[07:29] <bshah> Yup! I am using project-neon5
[07:29] <valorie> ok -- please ask in #project-neon then
[07:29] <valorie> they'll be much more likely to see your question there
[07:30] <bshah> I just wanted to check my side, if I am missing any packages..
[07:30] <valorie> sure
[07:31] <valorie> I wonder if they have a build-dep for kde-workspace
[07:31] <valorie> !info xcb_libraries
[07:32] <valorie> pfff
[07:32] <bshah> !info libxcb1-dev
[07:32] <bshah> installed.
[07:32] <bshah> !info
[07:33] <bshah> !info help
[07:33] <valorie> you might try sudo apt-get build-dep kde-workspace
[07:33] <valorie> and see if that gets you anything
[07:33] <bshah> Irony is I can compile master but not frameworks-scratch..
[07:33] <bshah> :\
[07:36] <valorie> :(
[07:37] <valorie> bshah: have you asked in #kde-core-devel ?
[07:38] <bshah> will ask..
[07:46] <mzanetti> hey, I'm on saucy and after last upgrade, my KWin wouldn't start any more unless I manually export the LD_LIBRARY_PATH to /usr/lib/x86-linux-gnu/mesa-egl/
[07:47] <valorie> mz
[07:47] <valorie> oops
[07:47] <valorie> mzanetti: there is a #kwin channel
[07:47] <valorie> might do to check with the devels
[07:47] <mzanetti> valorie: this is a Kubuntu issue, not KWin itself
[07:47] <valorie> ok
[07:48] <mzanetti> something in the start up scripts probably
[07:48] <valorie> then I guess filing a bug would be good, if you're sure it's a packaging error
[07:57] <Tm_T> mzanetti: what did get upgraded in last upgrade that led to this issue?
[08:00] <mzanetti> Tm_T: don't know... can't see anything suspicious in the logs
[08:00] <mzanetti> Tm_T: Do you know where this path should be exported?
[08:00] <mzanetti> to be precise, kwin couldn't find libwayland-egl.so.1
[08:01] <mzanetti> which is in /usr/lib/x86-linux-gnu/mesa-egl/
[08:07] <Tm_T> mzanetti: as far as I can see, that variable you mentioned is totally empty here
[08:09] <mzanetti> Tm_T: I think it must be set in the place where kwin is started - only in that context
[08:09] <Tm_T> mzanetti: about packages, /var/log/apt/history.log could propably tell which packages has changed
[08:10] <mzanetti> Tm_T: yeah. I've checked that. I can't really see an upgrade of kwin and libwayland stuff...
[08:15] <mzanetti> Tm_T: hmm... I was wrong. there was an upgrade. however, this is the log: http://paste.kde.org/p2dee9587/
[08:16] <Tm_T> libkwinglesutils sound to be the one that might have something to do with the issue
[08:17] <Tm_T> or glutils
[08:19] <Tm_T> hmh, can't remember the script containing env vals
[08:25] <skreech_> bash_config ?
[08:25] <skreech_> or bashrc depending on how you have it setup
[08:53] <jussi> how does one create a Kate project... ?
[09:16] <Tm_T> jussi: Kate project?
[09:17] <jussi> Tm_T: see screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/imYyO5l.png
[09:18] <jussi> Tm_T: also: http://kate-editor.org/2012/11/02/using-the-projects-plugin-in-kate/
[09:27] <tkrugg> hello there. can anyone explain me how the sorting in kmenu works. I know you can edit it with kmenuedit and everyting but how does an app end up in one of the entries in the first place?
[09:28] <jussi> tkrugg: when the .desktop file is made by the developer/packager etc there is an entry put in there for which category it should fall into
[09:33] <tkrugg> thanks jussi.  ok, and is there a place I can find this .desktop file in the source of an app (where should it be?)
[09:35] <jussi> tkrugg: if you apt-get source <application> I _think_ it resides in the debian directory
[09:35] <jussi> tkrugg: what are you aiming to do?
[09:36] <jussi> tkrugg: alternately, if you want to edit an app already on your system, I think they are in /usr/share/applications
[09:37] <tkrugg> jussi: I would like to make my app fo to the right diretory when installed
[09:37] <jussi> !packagingguide
[09:38] <tkrugg> for now i have only a DEBIAN/control file that specifies version/dependencies/package...
[09:39] <jussi> tkrugg: the correct channel for this I think would be #ubuntu-packaging though...
[09:41] <tkrugg> jussi: thanks all of you
[09:42] <jussi> tkrugg: no probs
[10:04] <FrostyCoolSlug> Hi, I'm having a problem installing Kubuntu, kscreen requires libkscreen1, but libkscreen1 breaks libscreen0 which is seemingly needed elsewhere
[10:05] <FrostyCoolSlug> libkscreen0* sorry
[10:05] <FrostyCoolSlug> anyone have any ideas?
[11:54] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:30] <esing> hi
[12:31] <esing> How should I make my iptable rules persistent in kubuntu? I read about troubles with network manager
[12:40] <ikonia> network manager is nothing to do with iptables
[12:42] <esing> I found a good instruction: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo#Configuration_on_Startup_for_NetworkManager
[12:42] <esing> ikonia, Hm, I read that "If you use NetworkManager (installed by default on Feisty and later) these steps will leave you unable to use NetworkManager for the interfaces you modify. Please follow the steps in the next section instead. "
[12:44] <ikonia> esing: I don't think you'll have a problem
[12:44] <ikonia> esing: the sort of problem described only happens if iptables rules are applied before the network controlled by network manager is up
[12:49] <esing> ikonia, I see, to be safe I can still use the NetworkManager script from latter link?
[12:50] <ikonia> esing: I would just try it, and fix it if it's broken, leave it alone if it works
[12:50] <ikonia> no sense trying to fix something that's not broken
[13:22] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[13:40] <genii> baltolkien__: Please fix your connection
[14:11] <ikonia_> !info linux-image
[14:11] <ikonia_> ha, I knew it
[14:14] <BluesKaj> !linux-image
[14:14] <BluesKaj> hah , I knew that too
[14:51] <grosse> In /usr/share/X11xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf reads "Copy this file into /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d first". Should I, or should  I copy it to the same location instead?
[14:52] <grosse> In Kubuntu 13.04. with a laptop, wanting to activate touchpad corner for browser back
[14:56] <genii> grosse: Probably want to sudo mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d    first since it doesn't exist by default on *buntu
[15:00] <grosse> Why are the initial xorgs .confs in /usr/share and not in /etc?
[15:01] <grosse> The man pages state several locations where these files are searched from, but it doesn't mention /usr/share
[15:01] <grosse> So are the ones under /usr/share used at all or are they some sort of templates only?
[15:02] <Pici> They're templates.
[15:02] <Pici> They're not supposed to be sourced by xorg by default.
[15:05] <grosse> Ok. Thanks. So from the beginning my system hasn't got any .conf-files in use for Xorg. Only those I choose to place under /etc/X11
[15:42] <Guest20055> sdf
[15:42] <BluesKaj> Guest20055, ??
[15:45] <genii> I guess now we'll never know.
[15:46] <BluesKaj> probly checking his KB
[15:47] <grosse> I'm about to know whether my configs work.
[15:47] <grosse> Usually not but I'm feeling lucky
[15:49] <esing> In /etc/default/locale I wrote LANG=de_DE.UTF-8 and LC_MESSAGES=POSIX. In system settings I set the locale prefered languagea to german, and moved english to not prefered. Yet if I type: locale it shows LANG=de_US.UTF-8 which doesn't exist
[15:51] <grosse> Sure it didn't
[15:52] <grosse> I have LTCornerButton set to 7 in .conf and synclient says its 3
[16:08] <esing> Hm, I removed the english language pack, reinstalled the german language pack for kde. Edited manually locale with export locale LANG=de.DE.UTF-8 and export locale LANGUAGE=de , then dkpg-reconfigured the locales and rebooted, but still on every startup the LANGUAGE is again: de:en and LANG=de_US.UTF-8
[16:08] <esing> Pretty weird
[16:09] <esing> I could add in .bashrc export locale LANG=de_DE.UTF-8, but I guess that doesn't solve the root bug
[16:30] <alesan> hi what is a small mp3 player?
[16:30] <alesan> ideally similar to x11amp but no playlists, no wikipedia pages for the song that is currently playing, no daemon or indexing of songs
[16:31] <alesan> just play a directory of mp3 files in alphabetic order
[16:34] <BluesKaj> alesan, I've been looking for such a player for ages , but no luck so far
[16:34] <alesan> ok I will pull out the one I wrote myself few years ago
[16:34] <alesan> I think I might still have a git repo somewhere
[16:36] <BluesKaj> alesan, what about aplay ?
[16:37] <alesan> I d onot think it handles {mp3,ogg}
[17:54] <BlaXpirit> WTF is this!?  kstart --tosystray  doesn't work anymore in KDE 4.11
[17:54] <BlaXpirit> why would anyone want to remove this feature!?
[19:46] <hafizazil> hye there
[20:11] <boringntp> i stopped ntp service with "sudo service ntp stop", and it stopped correctly; after i establish a new connection with the network manager, ntp gets started again though, how can i avoid that?
[20:25] <BluesKaj> boringntp, uncheck date&time automatically in the digital clock time settings
[20:26] <boringntp> BluesKaj: this is already unchecked
[21:11] <RobertJDohnert> OS/4 OpenLinux 13.7 released, http://www.os4online.com
[21:41] <Asad3ainJalout> Hello guys, I have a weird problem, When i try to boot up to kubuntu normally i get a half black screen half multicolored screen. When i boot it up through the advanced settings and booting there with limited graphical drivers. It works there. Anyways I was wondering if there was an easy way to fix this. The issues occured after someone pulled the power coord out in mid operation. Thank you for any
[21:41] <Asad3ainJalout> assistance you can offer
[22:02] <gorgonzola> hello all, does anybody know what do i need to get any of amarok's music collection plugins working?
[22:03] <gorgonzola> i mean, "external devices" works, but everything else (notably daap and upnp) simply silently do not work...
[22:30] <alesan> BluesKaj, git clone git://gitorious.org/dashmultimediaplayer/dashmultimediaplayer.git && qmake-qt4 && ./DashMultimediaPlayer
[22:30] <alesan> sorry
[22:30] <alesan> BluesKaj, git clone git://gitorious.org/dashmultimediaplayer/dashmultimediaplayer.git && qmake-qt4 && make && ./DashMultimediaPlayer
[22:34] <GiGaHuRtZ> Anyone able to help me out? I had some big distro problems last night that I ended up fixing, but I am having some issues since then I am trying to fix. First one is that every time I try add-apt-repository, I ge4t the normal info prompt about the ppa, and it says press enter and it crashes with this traceback: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6004533/
[22:34] <GiGaHuRtZ> I have no idea how to diagnose such an error really unfortunately
[22:40] <GiGaHuRtZ> My second issue is I seem to have broken my package manager a bit,  whenever I try to install any wine type packages, like wine itself, or netflix-desktop which has some wine deps, I get an error like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6004547/
[22:40] <GiGaHuRtZ> But it doesn't say how to correct the issue
[22:46] <GiGaHuRtZ> Man I am really considering just backing up most of my $HOME, and re-installing. But I really don't want to, I have put a lot of work into this setup this far.
[22:46] <GiGaHuRtZ> sithlord48: you around?
[22:46] <sithlord48> i am
[22:47] <GiGaHuRtZ> Any chance you could take a look at those two issues?
[22:47] <GiGaHuRtZ> They popped up after I fixed that other stuff from last night apparently
[22:48] <sithlord48> GiGaHuRtZ:  where does your wine come from?
[22:49] <GiGaHuRtZ> ppa's
[22:49] <GiGaHuRtZ> but thats besides the point
[22:49] <GiGaHuRtZ> desktop-netflix doesnt work either
[22:49] <GiGaHuRtZ> its a dependency issue somewhere in there
[22:49] <sithlord48> because you can't get wine installed?
[22:49] <GiGaHuRtZ> nah
[22:49] <GiGaHuRtZ> netflix-desktop has its own wine
[22:49] <GiGaHuRtZ> one sec
[22:50] <GiGaHuRtZ> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[22:50] <GiGaHuRtZ>  netflix-desktop : Depends: wine-browser-installer (= 0.8.2~raring) but it is not going to be installed
[22:50] <GiGaHuRtZ>                    Depends: wine-silverlight4-installer but it is not going to be installed
[22:51] <sithlord48> sounds like missing packages. but i don't know about wine much very little use of it even
[22:51] <GiGaHuRtZ> ya its very odd
[22:51] <GiGaHuRtZ> I try to install those seperately
[22:51] <GiGaHuRtZ> and get problems about other packages
[22:51] <GiGaHuRtZ> but usually there is an easy way to fix this crap
[22:51] <GiGaHuRtZ> all this was working fine before last night
[22:52] <GiGaHuRtZ> and the painful removal of deepin
[22:52] <sithlord48> dpkg --configure -a ?
[22:52] <GiGaHuRtZ> tried
[22:52] <GiGaHuRtZ> does nothing
[22:52] <GiGaHuRtZ> same with -f install
[22:52] <GiGaHuRtZ> and muon doesnt know what to do
[22:52] <sithlord48> then you don't have broken packages , you are asking for an inpossible install
[22:52] <GiGaHuRtZ> right
[22:52] <sithlord48> i can't help you with that it must be some issue w/ another ppa (or two)
[22:53] <GiGaHuRtZ> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[22:53] <GiGaHuRtZ>  wine-silverlight4-installer : Depends: wine-browser-installer (= 0.8.2~raring) but it is not going to be installed
[22:53] <GiGaHuRtZ> its a big frickin circle
[22:54] <GiGaHuRtZ> and I have a feeling its because all my ppas are messed up now
[22:54] <GiGaHuRtZ> look at my first issue
[22:54] <GiGaHuRtZ> Googling parts of it say something about an unset distro or some crap
[22:55] <GiGaHuRtZ> like if I google line 10 of that first paste
[22:55] <sithlord48> maybe thats your problem you broke the distro id
[22:55] <GiGaHuRtZ> right
[22:55] <GiGaHuRtZ> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1966730
[22:56] <GiGaHuRtZ> yupo
[22:56] <GiGaHuRtZ> thats my problem
[22:56] <GiGaHuRtZ> i found it
[22:56] <GiGaHuRtZ> WTF
[22:56] <FloodBotK1> GiGaHuRtZ: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:56] <GiGaHuRtZ> It thinks i am on linux deepin
[22:56] <GiGaHuRtZ> Linux Deepin codename raring, lmao
[22:56] <sithlord48> nice.
[22:57] <GiGaHuRtZ> People really should not be out there recommending this crap when it breaks systems
[22:57] <GiGaHuRtZ> There are at least 4 blogs recommending people try this crap
[22:57] <sithlord48> very true
[22:57] <sithlord48> well glad i was able to help :P
[22:57] <GiGaHuRtZ> sithlord48: well i dont know how to actually fix that
[22:57] <GiGaHuRtZ> do you?
[22:58] <GiGaHuRtZ> its obviously broke by doing a "lsb_release -a"
[22:58] <GiGaHuRtZ> looks like some file like this: /usr/share/python-apt/templates/Ubuntu.info
[22:58] <GiGaHuRtZ> or such
[22:59] <GiGaHuRtZ> that file looks correct
[23:00] <GiGaHuRtZ> I have 3 templates in there oddly
[23:00] <GiGaHuRtZ> debian ubuntu and gnewsense
[23:00] <sithlord48> thats all i've got too
[23:01] <GiGaHuRtZ> and i just broke my phone again by accident too, yay
[23:01] <GiGaHuRtZ> lol
[23:01] <sithlord48> GiGaHuRtZ:  has to know its ubuntu before it can use the Ubuntu.info file..
[23:01] <GiGaHuRtZ> Thats what I get for not using an external memory card. At least I have a usb OTG and my recovery supports usb-otg
[23:01] <GiGaHuRtZ> right
[23:01] <GiGaHuRtZ> i dont understand these threads i linked
[23:02] <sithlord48> you said its dreebin raring.
[23:02] <GiGaHuRtZ> illl show you
[23:02] <GiGaHuRtZ> one sec
[23:04] <GiGaHuRtZ> wonder if i edit the lsb release file manually
[23:04] <GiGaHuRtZ> http://pastebin.com/Suntu7PW
[23:04] <GiGaHuRtZ> check that
[23:05] <sithlord48> maybe its part of that ubuntu.info file then
[23:05] <GiGaHuRtZ> nope
[23:05] <GiGaHuRtZ> nothing in there says deepin
[23:05] <GiGaHuRtZ> i checked
[23:05] <GiGaHuRtZ> but lsb release comes from a different file
[23:05] <GiGaHuRtZ> and there is also a package
[23:05] <GiGaHuRtZ> lsb-base
[23:06] <GiGaHuRtZ> but its newest version...
[23:07] <GiGaHuRtZ> im gonna manually reinstall, without removing it
[23:07] <sithlord48> looks like lsb_release uses /etc/lsb-release for that info
[23:07] <GiGaHuRtZ> yup
[23:07] <GiGaHuRtZ> i know
[23:07] <GiGaHuRtZ> thats typical linux
[23:07] <GiGaHuRtZ> if you ever wanna know what distro you are on, you look there
[23:08] <GiGaHuRtZ> hmm
[23:08] <GiGaHuRtZ> so whats your file say?
[23:09] <sithlord48> this http://pastebin.com/dfsjf0J5
[23:09] <GiGaHuRtZ> oh there is a lsb release file
[23:09] <GiGaHuRtZ> lemme try that
[23:10] <GiGaHuRtZ> cause lsb-base does nothing
[23:10] <GiGaHuRtZ> thanks
[23:10] <sithlord48> /etc/lsb-release
[23:10] <GiGaHuRtZ> yup
[23:11] <GiGaHuRtZ> hmm reinstalling lsb-release didnt change it
[23:11] <GiGaHuRtZ> oh well, gonna manually edit the thing
[23:11] <sithlord48> thats what i thougth you were doing already ?
[23:11] <GiGaHuRtZ> no, i was trying some packages that have to do with that file
[23:12] <GiGaHuRtZ> hoping they might fix things
[23:12] <GiGaHuRtZ> now the question is, do I need to reboot or something for any changes (if any even happen from doing this) to take effect
[23:13] <GiGaHuRtZ> sithlord48: that fixed it
[23:13] <GiGaHuRtZ> :)
[23:13] <GiGaHuRtZ> at least the ppa adding problem
[23:13] <sithlord48> and perhaps more..
[23:13] <GiGaHuRtZ> i think it did
[23:14] <GiGaHuRtZ> Man, I hadx to really take the flame thrower to deepin
[23:14] <GiGaHuRtZ> the chinese were hax0ring my machine :P
[23:14] <sithlord48> lol
[23:14] <GiGaHuRtZ> hmm, those packages still dont wanna install
[23:14] <GiGaHuRtZ> but that might just need an update to apt
[23:14] <sithlord48> you might want to redo ppas and stuff.
[23:14] <GiGaHuRtZ> right
[23:15] <sithlord48> if update apt is not working.. also check you sources for the right repo ids
[23:15] <GiGaHuRtZ> ie apt-get update
[23:15] <GiGaHuRtZ> no update always worked
[23:15] <GiGaHuRtZ> i donno if its gonna fix it though
[23:15] <sithlord48> muon -> manage software sources .
[23:15] <GiGaHuRtZ> or y-ppa-manager
[23:15] <sithlord48> what ever you want to use.
[23:15] <GiGaHuRtZ> or just edit it by hand
[23:15] <GiGaHuRtZ> they all sit in sources.d
[23:16] <sithlord48> well by hand might be annoying becuase there are now alot of files to edit in there.
[23:16] <GiGaHuRtZ> hmm, still broken, so weird
[23:16] <GiGaHuRtZ> nah cause the codename is still the same
[23:16] <GiGaHuRtZ> there is nothiong to edit
[23:16] <GiGaHuRtZ> raring
[23:17] <sithlord48> idk you might have packages left over from them still or who knows what else messing it up ..
[23:17] <GiGaHuRtZ> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ehoover/compholio/ubuntu raring main
[23:17] <GiGaHuRtZ> ya i know, but i have came so far
[23:17] <GiGaHuRtZ> im close tpo just reinstalling its pissing me off though
[23:17] <sithlord48> maybe a dpkg --reconfigure -a is in order will be anoying but reconfig them all maybe lsb-release issue caused more problems on config ?
[23:18] <GiGaHuRtZ> ok
[23:18] <sithlord48> you will have to reconfig all packges
[23:18] <GiGaHuRtZ> oh i know
[23:18] <GiGaHuRtZ> lol
[23:18] <sithlord48> good good
[23:18] <GiGaHuRtZ> but its better than losing all my shit
[23:18] <sithlord48> yeah sure is. im not sure if that will fix it ..
[23:19] <Jeruvy> well that put an end to that :)
[23:28] <macwolf74> o.o


[11:39] <YokoZar> fader_: ping
[11:42] <davmor2> morning all
[11:43] <davmor2> YokoZar: fader_ won't be on for about another 3ish hours
[11:43] <YokoZar> ahh time zones
[11:43] <YokoZar> and staying up late ;)
[11:43] <davmor2> YokoZar: tell me :)
[13:02] <fader_> YokoZar: Heh, now it seems that you're away :)
[13:07] <davmor2> fader_: hey dude
[13:08] <fader_> davmor2: Yo
[13:09] <davmor2> fader_, YokoZar I'd offer to take notes and pass them about but there is a system in place for that called email :P
[13:09] <fader_> davmor2, YokoZar: Heh, no need -- YokoZar already emailed me :)
[13:09] <davmor2> Yay
[13:10] <fader_> We'll need to figure out which machines his tests apply to, grab 'em out of the normal automated testing, set up the new tests, etc.  I'll ask Hankyone if he thinks he can start on that tomorrow or Monday once he's online.
[13:11] <fader_> (I don't want to start anything until after the release meeting tomorrow, as we may need to do some testing before it.)
[14:02] <fader_> Hankyone: Good morning dude
[14:05] <cyphermox> Hankyone, curious about the Dell Precision M6500<PHONE_NUMBER>)
[14:06] <cyphermox> fader_, I fail, he's not there :P
[14:06] <fader_> cyphermox: Hehe no worries, we'll grab him later :)
[14:06] <cyphermox> anyway, according to the invoice, the system has a microphone
[14:07] <fader_> Yeah, that's what I figured... I read their docs and went through all the customization options and couldn't find a way to get it *without* a mic
[14:07] <fader_> So I think it probably has one and is not working :(
[21:52] <YokoZar> fader_: still here?
[21:53] <fader_> YokoZar: Yep, what's up?
[21:53] <YokoZar> fader_: I'm wondering if you were able to run the test at least once to confirm it works
[21:53] <YokoZar> fader_: could even do that locally
[21:53] <fader_> YokoZar: No, sorry... I haven't touched it yet.  Planning to take a look at it after the release meeting tomorrow though


[01:02] <Unit193> Derath-Srvr: Welcome back.
[04:04] <skellat> Yeesh, the more I'm reading about PRISM and the lovely findings the Guardian made (however incomplete they are)...praise the Lord we've got the FSF helping encourage freedom as well as open network services
[04:06] <yano> don't forget the EFF
[04:08] <skellat> True, they work on the legal side of things
[04:08] <skellat> FSF does help encourage the building of stuff
[12:50] <paultag> EFF is great
[12:50] <paultag> FSF is also great
[18:07] <canthus13> I'm soooo confused.  Why is ident suddenly working?? I did nothing to fix it!
[18:16] <Unit193> Because, you stopped messing with it and gave up, thus it works.
[21:21] <thafreak> why are you using ident?
[21:42] <Unit193> To get more connections to Freenode.


[00:55] <troy_s> Best of the season to everyone.  kwwii, _MMA_, luisbg, nothlit`core, (thorwil), and anyone else in here that I have had the pleasure of being an acquaintance of.
[00:55] <luisbg> troy_s, ")
[00:55] <knome> troy_s, pong
[01:55] <SealV> anyone on? if so wallpaper critique? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/sealx/jjwall3min.png
[01:55] <SealV> supposed to be minimal
[01:59] <knome> mmh.
[01:59] <knome> ok if the wabbit doesn't interfere with panel
[01:59] <knome> which i'm a bit worried, becuase it's quite low
[01:59] <knome> / near the bottom
[02:00] <SealV> ah! the bottom panel- one of the first things I get rid of. hmm
[02:01] <savvas> they'll probably move it a bit towards the center of the image
[02:01] <savvas> make it animated hehehe
[02:01] <SealV> lol
[02:01] <knome> i would REALLY appreciate a few droppings.
[02:02] <knome> you know, like 2-3
[02:02] <knome> not circle or oval, but a bit irregular
[02:03] <SealV> lol tell me where to up the basic svg, and its all yours
[02:05] <SealV> the bottom panel is covering a sliver of the foot
[02:06] <knome> ;)
[02:06] <knome> 10px up maybe
[02:06] <SealV> good plan
[02:06] <knome> or just shift+up
[02:06] <knome> ;)
[02:08] <SealV> I wish I had the skills to make something like this:  http://customize.org/wallpapers/60201/download?version=61156&resolution=1280x800
[02:09] <knome> just play around with inkscape...
[02:10] <SealV> oh I do, to the point where I detest having to deal with actual pixels
[02:10] <knome> heheh
[16:27]  * _MMA_ waves
[19:03]  * thorwil scans a jackalope
[19:19] <SealV> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/sealx/th_rect2383.png
[19:19] <SealV> critique for minimal wall?
[19:19] <thorwil> too small to say anything
[19:20] <SealV> wrong link
[19:20] <SealV> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/sealx/rect2383.png
[19:20] <knome> where are the droppings?
[19:21] <thorwil> i think what knome is trying to say is that the pose is a bit unfortunate ;)
[19:21] <SealV> T_T I will add them just for the Knome version
[19:21] <knome> \o/
[19:21] <thorwil> SealV: line work on head is rather good, but it looks evil
[19:22] <SealV> hah yes, all jackrabbits look evil. but good points both
[19:22] <SealV> what kind of pose are you guys thinking of?
[19:23] <thorwil> sitting, running or ready to jump ... there are many fine options
[19:23] <knome> maybe draw the other foot on the back
[19:24] <knome> ready to jump / attack
[19:25] <SealV> jaunty means up to date. ius jumping better than sitting?
[20:13] <thorwil> grmpf, picdrop has too much load
[20:15] <thorwil> kwwii: http://xs134.xs.to/xs134/08525/jackalope_sketch_16to9249.jpg
[20:59] <thorwil> kwwii: source is on my repo https://code.launchpad.net/~t-w-/ubuntu-artwork/thorwils_backgrounds
[20:59] <thorwil> good night


[02:29] <proteusguy> I've got a fresh Kubuntu 14.10 install. It detects new software updates but Muon Update Manager won't install them because "This operation cannot continue since proper authorization was not provided". However it never asks me for my credentials.
[02:29] <holstein> !kubuntu
[02:30] <proteusguy> Sorry wrong channel!
[02:30] <holstein> proteusguy: i would just close that, and use the terminal, if you want to update..
[02:30] <holstein> "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[02:30] <holstein> that works on anything with apt ^^
[02:30] <holstein> the sudo will prompt you for the creds..
[02:30] <proteusguy> Yes thanx I understand. But it seems something is broken with Muon for me.
[02:31] <holstein> proteusguy: try applying the updates, and see if a "fix" comes in..
[06:38] <Kompton> hello, is there any other hidden eye candy on lubuntu, besides anti aliasing?
[11:44] <K-G> Hi, I'm using ubuntu and try to install a couple of packages via apt-get
[11:45] <K-G> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[11:45] <K-G>  libc6-dev : Depends: libc6 (= 2.19-10ubuntu2) but 2.19-10ubuntu2.3 is to be installed
[11:45] <K-G>              Depends: libc-dev-bin (= 2.19-10ubuntu2)
[11:45] <K-G>  linux-generic : Depends: linux-headers-generic (= <IP_ADDRESS>.24) but <IP_ADDRESS>.32 is to be installed
[11:45] <K-G>  linux-headers-generic : Depends: linux-headers-3.16.0-31-generic but it is not going to be installed
[11:45] <K-G>  linux-signed-generic : Depends: linux-headers-generic (= <IP_ADDRESS>.24) but <IP_ADDRESS>.32 is to be installed
[11:55] <K-G> okay, got it running
[16:58] <Amitari> Anyone who can help me with a little problem?
[16:58] <ianorlinlaptop2> yes please tell us what the problem is
[16:59] <Amitari> I messed something up yesterday, so I can't install and run any programs that need KDE anymore. http://pastebin.com/AQe0J6f1
[17:05] <ianorlinlaptop2> hmm not good did you add ppas or something?
[17:05] <ianorlinlaptop2> also which versipon of lubuntu
[17:05] <Amitari> I've added PPAs before, but that didn't cause this to mess up.
[17:06] <Amitari> It messed up when I was trying to remove a terminal emulator.
[17:06] <Amitari> I'll check which version I have.
[17:06] <Amitari> Lubuntu 14.04.2 LTS
[17:11] <ianorlinlaptop2> can you pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:11] <Amitari> Sure.
[17:12] <Amitari> http://pastebin.com/CEs43yvE
[17:13] <ianorlinlaptop2> also pastebginin apt-cache poilcy kde-runtime would be nice
[17:14] <Amitari> What's the path for that?
[17:14] <Amitari> Oh, darn.
[17:14] <Amitari> I see.
[17:14] <Amitari> Wait...
[17:14] <Amitari> http://pastebin.com/t6D9mDx1
[17:20] <ianorlinlaptop2> hmm wierd it isn't coming from a third party repo that is breaking it by why would they have the same prioty from two repos?
[17:20] <Amitari> I've tried some stuff I found on the net, but since nothing worked, that's why I came here.
[17:20] <Amitari> I realized that I use quite a lot of programs that require KDE...
[17:21] <Amitari> Gwenview, Okular, Kate.
[17:21] <Amitari> Ark.
[17:22] <ianorlinlaptop2> what happens if you just try to install kde-runtime by itself?
[17:22] <Amitari> Won't work.
[17:22] <Amitari> I'll show you.
[17:23] <Amitari> http://pastebin.com/rdssHHzA
[17:38] <Amitari> ianorlinlaptop2: Still there?
[17:40] <ianorlinlaptop2> yes I am not sure did you add a kde5 ppa or something?
[17:41] <Amitari> No, I haven't added that.
[17:41] <ianorlinlaptop2> hmm not sure then
[17:41] <Amitari> Darn. :(
[17:41] <ianorlinlaptop2> I don't use any kde packages really
[17:42] <Amitari> Anyone else here who knows what I should do?
[17:42] <ianorlinlaptop2> maybe try #kubuntu as this is kde related when I haven't used kde much at all
[17:42] <Amitari> I just thought about that, I'll go there, thanks.
[18:17] <wangerin> Hi. Anybody who know where I can get the lubuntu-logo as svg-file? I need it for a poster for out LUG ;-)
[18:17] <wxl> yeah wangerin 1s
[18:18] <wxl> every format imaginable in monochrome and colour: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Marketing
[18:18] <ianorlinlaptop2> `dpkg -L lubuntu-artwork` works too
[18:19] <wxl> ianorlinlaptop2: i'm not sure it's part of lubuntu-artwork honestly
[18:19] <ianorlinlaptop2> ah
[18:19] <wxl> (as an svg)
[18:19] <wxl> wangerin: you also may like lenny https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Marketing/Lenny
[18:20] <wxl> i'm almost sure it doesn't, ianorlinlaptop2
[18:21] <wangerin> I prefer just the dot. Like this: http://www.pixel-anarchy.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/lubuntu-logo.png but I need it in a much higher resolution, for print on some posters
[18:21] <wxl> wangerin: just pull it from the logo svg
[18:23] <wangerin> wxl: Sure. but if it was out there allready... ;-)
[18:23] <wxl> wangerin: afaik that's a lxde element. i'm not sure where that might live but you can search around lxde.org
[18:27] <wxl> wangerin: png ok?
[18:30] <wxl> hahaha i found this http://git.lxde.org/gitweb/?p=lxde/lxde-common.git;a=blob;f=images/lxde-icon.png;h=82f56cdbb0d24bb162364f1d244d6783201cdd8f;hb=HEAD
[18:35] <wangerin> wxl: I want the blue dot with the lxde mark. best is svg, or hires png ;-)
[18:36] <wxl> wangerin: i can't find anything for lxde, but i did find a nice lxqt
[18:38] <wangerin> I've picked it out of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Marketing ;-) Thanx
[18:39] <wxl> np. if you need lxqt for later, let me know :)
[18:40] <wxl> well here you go in any case wangerin http://git.lxde.org/gitweb/?p=lxde/lxqt-lightdm-greeter.git;a=blob;f=resources/helix_1120.png;h=b525cb2f9499d266fdb107bac8753da90c450bd2;hb=HEAD
[18:40] <wxl> also http://git.lxde.org/gitweb/?p=lxde/lxqt-common.git;a=blob;f=icons/hicolor/scalable/places/start-here-lxqt.svg;h=c67e610ca3ef4aad4a20ebdb0ec0f47b9b69987a;hb=HEAD
[18:41] <wxl> and all of http://git.lxde.org/gitweb/?p=lxde/lxqt-common.git;a=tree;f=graphics;h=3548abadaf64b142db7d823cd17e7055781022da;hb=HEAD
[19:23] <K-G> Hi guys, I've unpacked a linux application and wanted to put it in the start menu
[19:24] <K-G> How can I generate a shortcut?
[19:33] <wxl> K-G: this is a tarball?
[19:40] <K-G> nope, it was just a zip archive
[19:41] <K-G> And within was a executable file
[19:41] <K-G> I did it with lxshortcut now
[19:41] <K-G> :)
[19:46] <wxl> i've never used lxshortcut before
[19:47] <wxl> how DO You use it, lewellyn ?
[19:47] <wxl> oops
[19:47] <wxl> i mean K-G
[19:54] <K-G> wxl
[19:54] <K-G> open terminal
[19:54] <K-G> Go to desktop
[19:54] <K-G> oops
[19:54] <K-G> I did it now only on desktop, i dont know if it works in the start menu too
[19:54] <K-G> lxshortcut -o applicationname
[19:54] <MarconM> has shortcut for Lock screen ?
[19:55] <K-G> Then a window opens up where you can insert a icon file name
[19:55] <wxl> ic thx K-G
[19:55] <K-G> Then go to the properties of the shortcut and edit the command
[19:55] <wxl> MarconM: you mean a keyboard shortcut?
[19:55] <MarconM> wxl|> yes
[19:55] <MarconM> =D
[19:56] <MarconM> like Super + L
[19:57] <wxl> yeah ctrl-alt-l marcon
[19:58] <wxl> MarconM: it's specified in ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml if you want to change it
[19:58] <wxl> MarconM: you could change it to super-l if you wanted
[20:02] <ianorlin> can't you just right click on menu properties to launch it
[20:02] <ianorlin> for the program you want to change?
[20:02] <ianorlin> that is how I think  it was intended to be used
[20:04] <MarconM> wxl|> ok
[20:05] <MarconM> ianorlin|> maybe coz ... its for fast ?
[20:05] <MarconM> more*


[01:19] <Unit193> micahg: Heya, sorry to bother, but eyes? :)
[01:20] <Unit193> Howdy.
[01:21] <micahg> Unit193: heh, they still need a set of eyes on it :)
[01:21] <micahg> I'll take a look
[01:21] <Unit193> Hah, nice.
[01:22] <micahg> Unit193: which PPA again?
[01:22] <Unit193> unit193/staging.
[01:27] <micahg> looking
[01:34] <micahg> umm...chroot issues, sigh
[02:22] <micahg> sorry, not looking like I'll be able to do that tonight
[02:25] <Unit193> Sure, noooo problemo!
[08:13] <ochosi> bluesabre: i'll try to get some last icons done for LO today, can we then go ahead, do the release and upload?
[08:14] <ochosi> obviously there are still tons of icons to-do, but i'd like to do a first upload as i
[08:15] <ochosi> 'm not sure how early i'll be able to focus on the calc icons
[08:15] <ochosi> also, those are a lot more that need fixing/drawing
[08:15] <ochosi> writer looks pretty okayish already
[09:24] <knome> ochosi, ping
[09:24] <knome> ochosi, did you see this already: http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-derivative-guidelines
[09:24] <knome> i've gathered some more derivatives that claim to be based on xubuntu on that pad
[09:25] <knome> i think we should try to contact the derivatives generally after we've finished these guidelines
[09:25] <knome> especially those who use our branding/point to our support resources
[09:25] <ochosi> hey knome
[09:25] <knome> (or generally, break the guidelines)
[09:25] <ochosi> i've seen it before, not sure whether there have been updates to the guidelines since then
[09:25] <knome> another pad i literally just set up is http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-related-websites
[09:26] <knome> no, not the guidelines themself
[09:27] <ochosi> sounds like a good plan to get an oversight of what's out there
[09:27] <ochosi> i really haven't looked much myself so far
[09:27] <knome> so for the localized pages, they are fine, i'd just have thought they would have contacted us
[09:27] <knome> they use our old logos and stuff, so that's a bit meh
[09:28] <ochosi> right
[09:28] <ochosi> maybe we should contact them as well then
[09:28] <ochosi> guess it could be a generic email we send out to all of them
[09:28] <knome> yeah
[09:29] <knome> http://xubuntu.fr/
[09:30] <knome> there too, they use the new logo, but not in the specified color
[09:30] <knome> so we don't like that :P
[09:31] <ochosi> really weird that there are those totally disconnected communities
[09:32] <knome> yep...
[09:32] <ochosi> that don't even seem to look for any cooperation or communication with us
[09:32] <ochosi> basically like hermetic interest groups
[09:33] <knome> well yeah... what can you do
[09:33] <knome> i haven't seen many derivative people around here either
[09:33] <ochosi> not much i guess
[09:33] <ochosi> we can't get involved personally in all sub-communities as well
[09:34] <knome> some sure, but considering the list i just put up is the top 5 pages in google for "based on xubuntu"...
[09:34] <knome> of course we can't, but the sub-communities could get involved with our community
[09:34] <knome> or at least make themselves visible to us
[09:34] <knome> i'm sure nobody in the team thinks that derivatives are only a bad thing, or want to stop them from spreading modified versions even
[09:35] <knome> but some of their actions can turn out meh
[09:35] <knome> and it could have been avoided with some simple communication
[09:36] <ochosi> yeah, that's often the case with many things
[09:37] <knome> so i'd like to (again) encourage people to start communiating with us
[09:37] <Unit193> Hi.
[09:37] <knome> hey Unit193.
[09:38] <knome> aha.. http://www.linuxpusher.com/product/notebook-sticker-xubuntu-grey
[09:38] <knome> so they sell stickers with the old logo with no permission
[09:38] <knome> hmm
[09:52] <ochosi> i guess we could ask them for sticker donations
[09:52] <ochosi> but then again, who of us would hand them out
[09:52] <knome> i guess we could ask them to update the logo
[09:52] <knome> or drop it
[09:52] <knome> (:
[09:52] <knome> ^ the nice version
[10:04] <ochosi> lunchtime, bbabl
[10:04] <knome> bon appetit
[10:55] <knome> hello bluesabre
[10:56]  * bluesabre is spotted
[10:56] <knome> yep, no way to escape
[10:56] <bluesabre> good thing I brought my
[10:56] <bluesabre> box!
[10:56] <knome> huhu
[10:57] <bluesabre> ____
[10:57] <bluesabre> |:)|
[10:58] <bluesabre> how's it going knome?
[10:58] <knome> slowly, but in a good way
[10:59] <knome> poking this and that as you can see ;)
[10:59] <bluesabre> :)
[10:59] <bluesabre> yeah, good work :D
[11:00] <ochosi> hey bluesabre
[11:00] <bluesabre> hiya ochosi
[11:01] <ochosi> writing from my new laptop for the first time
[11:01] <ochosi> touchpad is still a bit tricky, seems i touch it frequently when typing
[11:03] <bluesabre> Mouse and Touchpad > Select touchpad > Disable touchpad while typing
[11:03] <knome> haha
[11:03] <knome> touche
[11:03] <ochosi> yeah, can't seem to find the ideal timeout
[11:03] <ochosi> and sometimes there are some quirks with keyboard or touchpad becoming inactive for a bit
[11:04] <knome> which laptop is it again?
[11:04] <ochosi> xps 13 ubuntu developer edition
[11:04] <ochosi> (dell)
[11:04] <knome> mm
[11:06] <ochosi> bluesabre: do you need anything from my side to get the LO icons on  our iso other than me tagging a first release on github?
[11:06] <bluesabre> if you wanted to write the debian copyright, that'd be nice ;)
[11:07] <bluesabre> but no, I think that should be it.  I'll figure out the proper packaging and start the long road to upload
[11:07] <ochosi> personally, i'd mostly copy-paste it from libreoffice-style-human
[11:07] <ochosi> yeah, since it's likely going to be a long road it'd be better if we start it now that we still have time
[11:07] <bluesabre> yeah, but then there's also the attribution bits to you, knome, elementary
[11:08] <ochosi> elementary bits are already there
[11:08] <ochosi> humanity is based on elementary after all
[11:08] <bluesabre> ah
[11:08] <ochosi> so only the attribution to knome and me (or shimmer) is missing
[11:08] <bluesabre> cool
[11:08] <bluesabre> I'll poke you later with the draft
[11:08] <ochosi> shall we keep the debian stuff in the repo too?
[11:08] <ochosi> ah ok
[11:08] <ochosi> perfect
[11:09] <bluesabre> nah, no need
[11:09] <ochosi> ok
[11:09] <ochosi> i'm not opposed to keeping things in one place, and the copyright stuff might actually have some benefit
[11:09] <knome> no reason not to put it in the repository either
[11:09] <bluesabre> have you shown dan the current version to get his impression?
[11:09] <bluesabre> we'd be better with an AUTHORS file
[11:10] <bluesabre> but I can dump the debian packing in there, sure why not :)
[11:11] <ochosi> i havent shown him the progress
[11:11] <ochosi> but then again, he didnt seem terribly interested in icons for LO
[11:12] <ochosi> said something like i could knock myself out, but he/they didn't want any part in it
[11:12] <bluesabre> cool, thats fine then
[11:12] <bluesabre> :)
[11:12] <ochosi> yup
[11:12] <ochosi> checked that *before* i started ;)
[11:13] <ochosi> anyway, they're aware, i might send them a screenshot at some point
[11:13] <knome> a-CHOO!
[11:13] <knome> gosh..
[11:13] <ochosi> bless you
[11:14] <knome> ta ta
[11:16] <bluesabre> :)
[11:17] <ochosi> bluesabre: btw, i'll soon see whether i have the same icon issues with LO as you since my screen has likely the same px-density as yours now
[11:20] <bluesabre> ochosi: sure, but you also addressed several of my issues :)
[11:22] <ochosi> yeah, the insert-field issue is left i guess
[11:22] <bluesabre> hm
[11:22] <bluesabre> the highlight icon is quite high up there now
[11:23] <ochosi> highlight icon?
[11:24] <bluesabre> http://i.imgur.com/ttDrHo0.png
[11:24] <bluesabre> maybe not
[11:24] <ochosi> that's not my fault
[11:24] <ochosi> didnt even touch that one
[11:24] <knome> did you know you can buy a xubuntu disc from amazon?
[11:24] <ochosi> problem is that there is no color selected
[11:25] <ochosi> looks better than without
[11:25] <ochosi> knome: wooot
[11:25] <knome> the seller mentions the list price is $39.99, but sell it discounted at $8.99
[11:25] <bluesabre> oh, I see
[11:25] <knome> that's... fishy
[11:25] <knome> ochosi, yeah i know, you bump to the weirdest stuff...
[11:25] <ochosi> is it a private person?
[11:26] <ochosi> or a business scam
[11:26] <knome> "LinuxFreak"
[11:26] <knome> http://www.amazon.com/Xubuntu-Linux-14-04-CD-Official/dp/B00JTNN88A
[11:27] <knome> "official" my arse
[11:27] <knome> "oops i said it aloud"
[11:27] <bluesabre> "oooooopsies I tooted"
[11:28] <knome> https://ualinux.com/en/pay/ubuntu-oem/1404-oem-pack/xubuntu-pack-1404-oem-detail
[11:28] <knome> harumph
[11:28] <bluesabre> ochosi: other than that, the theme looks quite polished in writer
[11:29] <ochosi> bluesabre: thanks, insert-link is still missing amongst others
[11:29] <ochosi> working on that as we speak
[11:29] <bluesabre> nice
[12:07] <ochosi> bluesabre, knome: thoughts? http://i.imgur.com/KAfssNB.png
[12:08] <bluesabre> :\
[12:10] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbl
[12:56] <knome> ochosi, not too bad, but need to see in context
[13:55] <sorinb> is it legal to sell *buntu cd's ?
[13:55] <sorinb> contradicts the philosophy of Ubuntu
[14:09] <knome> as long as the person selling them doesn't make any profit (or reasonable amount of profit)
[14:09] <knome> reasonable being related to shipping+handling, burning
[14:10] <knome> something like $5 is usually considered just fine
[14:10] <knome> MSRP of $39.99 isn't (though i don't think they've ever tried to sell the CDs with that price point)
[14:17] <knome> on another note, after going through several derivatives, there seems to be a few that haven't taken removing xubuntu branding seriously
[14:52] <sorinb> removing ?
[15:00] <knome> yes.
[15:00] <knome> unofficial derivatives can't use trademarked names or logos.
[15:01] <sorinb> interesting. I never heard of a xubuntu derivate
[15:01] <knome> well, at least if you abide the trademark laws
[15:10] <knome> pleia2, ochosi: http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-derivative-guidelines
[15:10] <knome> i've added a questionnaire draft at the end of the pad - i'm thinking we could/should gather information about the derivatives that way - and possibly get communication started with it
[15:11] <knome> not sure if everything there is something we want to ask, but these are all the things that came to my mind in the last few days
[15:17] <knome> Unit193, you know (someone from) the security onion community?
[16:49] <ochosi> knome: great idea and good questionnaire, sounds like a good way to go!
[20:52] <Unit193> knome: No, just talked to a tails person before.
[21:01] <knome> bluesabre, ping?
[21:23] <ochosi> bluesabre: question: do you intend to take the easy road and just ship the LO icons with xubuntu-artwork or do you wanna take the more laborious (but i guess generally nicer) approach of libreoffice-style-elementary?
[21:25] <Unit193> libreoffice-style-elementary, the first is Xubuntu branding and a meta.
[21:26] <ochosi> well, elementary-xfce is also dubbed xubuntu-icon-theme
[21:26] <Unit193> Well, except for /usr/share/gmusicbrowser/pix/elementary/gmusicbrowser.png
[22:02] <knome> ochosi, also...
[22:02] <knome> ochosi, @ http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-derivative-guidelines, can you check if the package list makes sense at all?
[22:03] <Unit193> Nope.
[22:04] <knome> Unit193, did i ask you anything? :)
[22:04] <Unit193> knome: No, but you should have asked how my tea was! :P
[22:08] <bluesabre> ochosi: going to package it specifically
[22:08] <bluesabre> knome: hm?
[22:09] <Unit193> \o/
[22:09] <knome> bluesabre, what was that about the editable link?
[22:09] <knome> i don't understand...
[22:09] <knome> bluesabre, http://calendar.google.com/ :P
[22:10] <knome> bluesabre, click on the +GoogleCalendar button at the right bottom
[22:10] <bluesabre> knome: I had the public link, which for me was basically useless
[22:10] <bluesabre> I got it now
[22:10] <bluesabre> Unit193 added me directly
[22:10] <knome> aha :)
[22:10] <pleia2> I didn't know there was a private link, it just shows up in my calendar with magic
[22:10] <knome> so you just weren't a member
[22:11] <knome> pleia2, it's the same link, you just have to have edit rights
[22:11] <pleia2> ah
[22:11] <Unit193> Well, there is a private link too, that you can use in, say, thunderbird.
[22:11] <knome> (and be logged in)
[22:12] <knome> Unit193, i just checked what my link said, it's basically the calendar ID
[22:20] <Unit193> Hmm.
[23:08] <knome> i will be off from today until some time monday
[23:09] <knome> not going to make the meeting
[23:09] <knome> well tomorrow tbe; i might pop in early tomorrow or not
[23:09] <knome> have a nice weekend everybody!
[23:56] <bluesabre> seeya knome