[12:42] <rtg> when is the Saucy kernel currently lodged in -proposed gonna get promoted ? Is it automagic ?
[12:42] <cjwatson> It is automagic if you get it right
[12:43] <infinity> rtg: Sometime, and maybe.
[12:43] <cjwatson> I'm currently writing docs on how it all works ...
[12:43] <cjwatson> (Well, modifying Debian's docs to taste)
[12:44] <cjwatson> Looks like the linux-signed/amd64 autopkgtest is running
[12:45] <cjwatson> Or rather the linux/amd64 autopkgtest, triggered by linux-signed
[12:45] <cjwatson> As previously discussed there's an argument that that test is useless as well as broken
[12:45] <infinity> (Forcing it for now anyway)
[12:46] <infinity> rtg: Should squirt out the other end into release in the next cycle.
[12:46] <infinity> rtg: We'll discuss the uselessness of that test in general when we're in the same room next week.
[12:48] <rtg> otp - be with you in  a sec
[12:49] <infinity> rtg: The point of the above was that I don't need you, enjoy your phone call.
[12:50] <rtg> infinity, ack
[14:02] <phillw> Hi good people, would anyone have the time to look over the two lubuntu ppc images and see if they can be put on a quick diet to get them back to CD size for tonights autobuild as I've asked the testers to give them a thorough test over the weekend. Thanks.
[14:07] <infinity> phillw: They're broken anyway, remember?
[14:08] <infinity> phillw: BenC and I need to do some playing with the kernel before it's worth looking at the CD images.
[14:11] <phillw> infinity: that's the odd thing... they're not! I did send you an email :)
[14:15] <infinity> phillw: The alternates are definitely broken.  The live ones may or may not be.  They probably weren't testing the absolute latest.
[14:16] <cjwatson> The live ones are using an old squashfs.
[14:16] <cjwatson> Success is irrelevant.
[14:16] <cjwatson> You should unask your testers.
[14:16] <phillw> okies, will do!
[14:19] <cjwatson> infinity: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration
[14:38] <rtg> cjwatson, how about 'Migrating packages from -proposed to -updates' ? Otherwise it sounds like an idea that you're putting forth, rather then a fait accompli. It also a bit more searchable IMHO.
[14:39] <cjwatson> Probably true except that it's not to -updates
[14:40] <cjwatson> Changed the page title; do I have to rename it as well?  I've already linked to it from a couple of places :)
[14:40] <rtg> cjI'm fine with that :)
[14:41] <rtg> cjwatson, ^ (dang tab completion)
[14:41] <cjwatson> When we create the devel* links that page will get a lot more comprehensibly drafted
[14:41] <cjwatson> Very fed up with writing "the release pocket"


[05:27] <d3v|ous> Can anyone explain to me why this thing is telling me there was an error on install?
[05:28] <d3v|ous> Failed To Load "overlay scrollbar"
[05:35] <d3v|ous> http://picpaste.com/20171020_003204-dXkK1s24.jpg this is my error
[11:05] <redblade7> hi
[11:05] <redblade7> i am having some real trouble upgrading to 17.10
[11:05] <redblade7> every couple packages are failing to download with "unable to connect"
[11:05] <redblade7> i have already somehow screwed up the software update manager which either reports "up to date" or "partial upgrade"
[11:05] <redblade7> right now i'm doing "do-distro-upgrade" or whatever it's called
[11:06] <redblade7> but still i cannot download every package and cannot upgrade
[11:06] <redblade7> every couple packages there are a couple packages that fail to download
[11:06] <redblade7> with "unable to connect" errors
[11:06] <redblade7> anyone else having this problem
[11:06] <redblade7> ?
[11:06] <redblade7> the internet connection is fine
[11:08] <knome> redblade7, which server are you using for downloads?
[11:08] <redblade7> the packages that it skips are not slow or anything
[11:08] <redblade7> it skips fast
[11:08] <redblade7> i dont know knome, whatever server do-distro-upgrade is called
[11:08] <redblade7> for some reason the gui upgrade manager fails to work
[11:08] <redblade7> the thing with that is
[11:09] <redblade7> a problem i always had with software update manager is that if you enlarge the window a little there's no way to resize it
[11:09] <knome> if you go to settings -> software & updates, what does the "download from" field say
[11:09] <redblade7> so i couldnt proceed with the update and pressed esc
[11:09] <redblade7> nothing had downloaded at all
[11:09] <redblade7> or attempted to install at all
[11:09] <redblade7> but somehow that wont work anymore
[11:09] <redblade7> and i have to do that cli utility
[11:10] <redblade7> i tried resetting the default servers in settings
[11:10] <redblade7> didnt work either
[11:11] <redblade7> archive.ubuntu.com the do-distro-upgrade program says
[11:12] <redblade7> is it perhaps an anti-dos thing on the ubuntu servers which is causing the inability to download packages too fast or something?
[11:12] <knome> anything is possible, but i doubt so
[11:13] <redblade7> but if the server is the same and the internet works fine and it literally just skips over several packages with that error
[11:14] <redblade7> "failed to fetch" it also says
[11:15] <redblade7> "do-release-upgrade" sorry
[11:15] <knome> flocculant, have you seen that stuff happen? ^
[11:16] <redblade7> it's apparently caching the packages with each new try so i can just keep trying until they're all in
[11:17] <flocculant> nope - maybe set to a different server? depends where you are
[11:18] <redblade7> how do you change the servers?
[11:18] <flocculant> redblade7: if it stops again - set server to main in software and updates, unless you are already
[11:18] <knome> from the GUI i pointed you to (under settings)
[11:18] <redblade7> ok
[11:18] <flocculant> first tab
[11:18] <redblade7> i thought i tried the reset defaults button
[11:18] <redblade7> oh
[11:18] <redblade7> the first tab
[11:19] <redblade7> i'll take a look
[11:19] <flocculant> download from:
[11:19] <knome> as i said... ;)
[11:20] <flocculant> didn't read it all :)
[11:20] <knome> neither did redblade7 :P
[11:20] <flocculant> :)
[11:20] <redblade7> i'll try flushing iptables too
[11:24] <redblade7> everything's finally downloaded it seems and the upgrade started
[11:24] <flocculant> good :)
[11:24] <redblade7> but i thought it skipped a bunch the last time around
[11:25] <redblade7> hopefully it wasnt anything important and can be upgraded later
[11:25] <redblade7> this is using do-release-upgrade
[11:25] <redblade7> the software update manager was refusing to start sometimes
[11:26] <redblade7> strange though that resizing a window would cause so much trouble
[11:26] <redblade7> being unable to resize it back
[11:26] <xubuntu75i> hello all
[11:27] <xubuntu75i> installing xubuntu 16.04 :)
[11:27] <knome> xubuntu75i, hello
[11:27] <redblade7> hi
[11:27] <xubuntu75i> had a issue with vagrant and libvirt in ubuntu 14.04 giving a try on 16.04
[11:29] <xubuntu75i> any one here knows apache mesos setup on docker.
[11:29] <xubuntu75i> unable to run apps in marathaon
[11:36] <redblade7> hi
[11:36] <redblade7> the server was set to "main"
[11:37] <redblade7> after i upgraded though software updater gave me the partial upgrade
[11:37] <redblade7> so i clicked on it
[11:37] <redblade7> it failed with the strange message "upgrading from artful to zesty not supported"
[11:39] <redblade7> i'm gonna try synapti
[11:39] <redblade7> c
[11:42] <redblade7> synaptic seems to be working, but at some point got an error icon on the system tray, when right-clicking it gives "error: brokencount > 0" and mentions the need to resolve dependencies
[11:43] <redblade7> apologies if i dont give the exact message but the linux computer is in another room and i'm going back and forth
[11:47] <redblade7> i get a funny feeling thsi was caused after i set the default repositories when software upgrade manager was refusing to start
[11:47] <redblade7> (it was not giving any error message it was just shutting down upon running)
[11:53] <redblade7> synaptic is going throuhg a "Trying to recover from package failure" proedure which is allowing me to install maintainer's version of openssh, networkmanager, etc
[11:53] <redblade7> and i have my data backed up including those config files so it isnt an issue
[11:53] <redblade7> i'd rather not wipe everything out though
[12:02] <redblade7> i get all kinds of dependency and sources.list errors
[12:02] <redblade7> is there anyway to pretend going back to the original zesty sources so i can upgrade again
[12:02] <redblade7> manually set it back
[13:08] <redblade7> everything seems to be mostly fine now
[13:20] <knome> you should not set the repositories back to the old version or you might end up with issues
[13:20] <knome> keep them with the new version and simply finish the partial upgrade with "sudo apt update" and "sudo apt dist-upgrade"
[13:21] <redblade7> well the broken dependencies had come down to iptables-persistent and i fixed it and everything is fine
[13:21] <redblade7> software updater works
[13:21] <redblade7> one thing though
[13:21] <redblade7> i keep getting a message about adwaita not being found
[13:21] <redblade7> dont know if i have to reinstall something
[13:22] <redblade7> it works fine when set in kde system settings or xubuntu appearance
[13:22] <redblade7> but it isnt in kde-config-gtk
[13:22] <redblade7> and it gives that message when i try and start systemsettings5
[14:09] <Managor_> Where can I find info on what's new in Xubuntu specifically?
[14:13] <knome> https://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-17-10-release/
[14:13] <knome> and the release notes linked from the announcement
[14:18] <Managor_> Thanks
[15:25] <Managor> What was the command for reactivating 3rd party sources that showed during installation?
[15:58] <soft_> HI. I am trying to install Ubuntu onto my old HP Netbook, to speed it up. I've downloaded the xubuntu 16 04 3 desktopi386 iso torrent.  But my netbook can not open it.
[16:03] <soft_> It says "this app can't run on your pc".....hope anyone can help...thanks.
[16:12] <krytarik> soft_: For this you need 1.) a BitTorrent client, and 2.) to create a USB stick or DVD using the resulting ISO image.
[16:14] <soft_> thanks krytarik.
[16:16] <soft_> is there a site you would recommend to download it from?
[16:18] <flocculant> the getxubuntu page :)
[16:18] <flocculant> https://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/
[16:30] <soft_> thank you flocculant
[20:11] <roses> will something wrong happen if I execute # grep -i -a -B10 -A100 'toshiba' /dev/sdb1 > file.txt ?
[20:13] <well_laid_lawn> it could take a while but nothing will blow up - what are you worried will happen ?
[20:15] <roses> i dont know, https://superuser.com/questions/150027/how-to-recover-a-removed-file-under-linux list some other commands before that one and I dont uderstand any of them, thus I want to avoid them
[20:17] <well_laid_lawn> you have to be in single user mode as that post says
[20:18] <well_laid_lawn> did you use rm or delete it from the file manager ?
[20:19] <roses> this is to try and recover a file in ausb stick. Somebody I know installed a live cd on it and im trying to recover a text file named toshiba
[20:20] <roses> it may have been overwritten...
[20:20] <well_laid_lawn> ok


[13:29] <Brainstorm> Updates for Bangladesh: +7248 cases (now 1.4 million), +172 deaths (now 24719), +41014 tests (now 8.5 million) since 22 hours ago


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[09:02] <foobarry> sigh
[09:03] <zmoylan-pi> don't worry christmas is nearly over...
[09:05] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:05] <zmoylan-pi> happy solstice
[09:06] <foobarry> who decided a major IT operation on 2nd jan was good idea :(
[09:06] <foobarry> our last day today until 2nd jan
[09:06] <zmoylan-pi> bean counters
[09:06] <foobarry> actually it was us because we didn't want to do it before xmas
[09:06] <foobarry> and its the quitest time of the year for the supercomputer
[09:32] <foobarry> whats the best phone for £100-150?
[09:32] <brobostigon> nokia 3 ?
[09:32] <foobarry> looking at: moto g5, huawei p8 lite, xiaomi redmi 5 and htc 650
[09:39] <foobarry>  Redmi 4X looks good
[09:59] <zmoylan-pi> tesco have some cheap but good handsets for that
[10:17] <MooDoo> howdy all
[10:25] <SuperMatt> howdy ho
[10:26] <brobostigon> hi
[10:26] <SuperMatt> 'tis my last day yo!
[10:27] <MooDoo> awesome x
[10:42] <foobarry> one of my team's last day too. they worked hard till the final day
[10:43] <foobarry> i find making ppl only work 6 weeks instead of 12week notice period rally helps
[10:46] <SuperMatt> indeed
[10:46] <SuperMatt> I've done 2 months
[10:46] <SuperMatt> it was a little too long
[10:46] <foobarry> after 6 weeks people turn into monkeys
[10:47] <SuperMatt> I turned into a monkey almost immediately
[10:47] <SuperMatt> but I did jump if there was something important that needed doing
[10:47] <MooDoo> i would have done nothing tbh
[10:47] <SuperMatt> I've done close to nothing
[10:47] <SuperMatt> I've done nothing since I finished training up the new guy
[10:48] <foobarry> at least you got a new guy
[10:48] <foobarry> tried to hire, couldn't find anyone with a visa
[10:48] <SuperMatt> Brexit's going well then
[15:19] <MooDoo>  /quit
[17:44] <luna__> http://ubuntupodcast.org/2017/12/21/s10e42-tangy-orange-chairs/
[19:01] <ridgewang> https://status.fsf.org/conversation/234582#notice-285901  purism.
[20:00] <diddledan> finished working on a thing: https://www.dropbox.com/s/qupnw3v3y7c68po/Screenshot%202017-12-21%2019.57.06.png?dl=0
[20:00] <diddledan> try it at https://can-i-demo.it/primitive.html
[20:02] <penguin42> diddledan: That's throwing me a file back called primitive
[20:02] <penguin42> diddledan: Which said 'Get : unsupported protocol scheme ""'
[20:02] <diddledan> o_O
[20:02] <diddledan> needs the http or https
[20:02] <diddledan> I can fix that
[20:03] <penguin42> yeh it had the https
[20:03] <penguin42> seems to do it for anything for me
[20:04] <diddledan> have you got javascript turned on?
[20:05] <penguin42> yeh
[20:05] <diddledan> which browser?
[20:05] <penguin42> ff on ubuntu
[20:05] <penguin42> ff 57.0.1
[20:09] <diddledan> ok, gimme a sec to test that
[20:09] <diddledan> I didn't do firefox :-p
[20:12] <penguin42> tsk tsk
[20:12] <zmoylan-pi> more users on lynx these days... :-P
[20:15] <diddledan> ok, it's building a new deployment no
[20:16] <diddledan> now
[20:16] <diddledan> take a few minutes
[20:33] <diddledan> should be good for retrying
[20:34] <diddledan> wfm
[20:34]  * diddledan pokey poke penguin42
[20:34] <diddledan> tis fixed!
[20:36]  * penguin42 looks
[20:37] <penguin42> diddledan: Yeh that works
[20:37] <diddledan> \o/
[20:38] <diddledan> yey for automated deployments
[20:39] <penguin42> nice effect
[22:13] <daftykins> bouncy bouncy
[22:17] <zmoylan-pi> maybe they wanted a mr. bouncy for crimbo
[22:29] <diddledan> watching john wick 2 - they translated "signora" from italian into english for the subtitties as "signora"
[22:29] <diddledan> like why would you translate a bit but not all of it
[22:30] <daftykins> :D
[22:30] <daftykins> i never did get around to that
[22:31] <daftykins> i only just finished Stranger Things season 2, which i tried out on my friends Netflix account so i could see it with the bells and whistles of Dolby Vision HDR
[22:31] <diddledan> :-)
[22:31] <diddledan> stranger things is pretty decent
[22:37] <daftykins> bit jarring the whole autoplay of something unrelated at the end, mind


[23:47] <Slart> obf213: almost all kinds of partition tools reuires an unmounted partition
[23:47] <obf213> Slart, i guess, i only have ubuntu on this computer and this si the main partition so I guess its the root?
[23:47] <Slart> obf213: do you have a live cd you can boot from that, do the resizing and then boot into the real system again
[23:47] <LtL> Quagmire: run this in terminal from your home dir, find -name '*xchat*'
[23:47] <_M4rk_> Hi all, Im trying to setup a webpage kinda thing so i can add new ftp users threw that for pureftpd although i need to edit pure-ftpd.conf but i can not find it, does anyone know where this file is located?
[23:48] <LtL> Quagmire: look for xchat.conf
[23:48] <Slart> obf213: I think that's what pretty much everyone does when they need to do something with a system partition
[23:48] <Austin`1> raylu: here we go. I did 'touch ~/Desktop/test' and it froze. and most of the times that I experience this its on the desktop
[23:48] <raylu> jeeves_Moss: also, http://fosswire.com/2007/09/08/fix-a-frozen-system-with-the-magic-sysrq-keys/
[23:48] <raylu> LtL: -iname may help
[23:48] <raylu> Austin`1: is your partition ext3?
[23:49] <LtL> raylu: that worked here, but iname would work.
[23:49] <arlenk> hello?
[23:49] <Bangers> Is anything wrong with this command?  rsync -vur --delete /data /mnt/data.    It seems to be sitting on building file list for a very long time
[23:50] <xavier13> ikonia PM?
[23:50] <xavier13> anyone here?
[23:50] <n2diy> Can a file be "highlighted" in Nautilus, so it stands out from the rest of the files?
[23:50] <Bangers> hi
[23:50] <LtL> _M4rk_: look in /etc/
[23:50] <arlenk> hi
[23:50] <dr3as> savvas: "sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends firefox" works ;)
[23:50] <sekyourbox> I think im high on paint fumes
[23:50] <Sanketsu> laptop with a fresh install of intrepid on it due to a hard drive crash (so new hard drive and install of intrepid) and everything was working fine until I updated.  There were 200+ updates and after the updates I had to restart, since then my laptop won't connect to the internet, neither wired nor wireless.  Any idea where I should look to fix this?
[23:50] <exodus_MS> !ask > xavier13
[23:51] <demilord_78> Is there a plugin for rhythmbox to rescan my collection?
[23:51] <raylu> n2diy: no, but it's semi-possible in bash :D
[23:51] <sekyourbox> xterm had exploits the other day?
[23:51] <Nickz> Hello guys!! I need some help with Squid
[23:51] <raylu> _M4rk_: also, note that ftp passwords are transmitted in cleartext and, therefore, not recommended
[23:52] <Austin`1> raylu: yes, my partition is ext3
[23:52] <mobilephreak> quagmire sudo find / -name xchat.conf
[23:52] <n2diy> raylu: Ok, I was hoping for a Nautilus solution, thanks.
[23:52] <bastid_raZor> demilord_78; close it then reopen it.. it scan on each open
[23:52] <raylu> mobilephreak: locate is better for find /
[23:52] <mobilephreak> raylu as long as you updatedb
[23:52] <raylu> mobilephreak: i believe there's a cronjob for doing that
[23:52] <Slart> n2diy: there's propertied, emblems
[23:52] <sekyourbox> lol, local exploit for cain and able? why?
[23:52] <savvas> dr3as: great :)
[23:52] <Slart> n2diy: *properties
[23:53] <demilord_78> ah ok thnx bastid_raZor
[23:53] <raylu> Austin`1: then i'd say you have a screwy hard drive. how long has ubuntu been installed? also, df -hx tmpfs
[23:53] <mobilephreak> raylu i am conming from old liux/unix
[23:53] <xavier13> i seem to have lost my helper... can anyone help me out with mdadm? i'm going nuts here
[23:53] <raylu> mobilephreak: old = ?
[23:53] <xavier13> seems like what i'm trying to do would be simple, but i can't find it in the man page at all
[23:53] <Austin`1> raylu: I'm using sshfs, could that be a problem?
[23:53] <savvas> dr3as: I think you can customize that no-recommends and set it somehow in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/
[23:53] <raylu> Austin`1: i thought you said ext3?
[23:54] <dr3as> savvas: thanks for the tip
[23:54] <raylu> Austin`1: yes, that would be the obvious source of the problem
[23:54] <mobilephreak> raylu solaris 8 hp-ux and the like
[23:54] <xavier13> i need help adding new devices to a degraded RAID10 array in mdadm
[23:54] <Nickz> I need some help with squid
[23:54] <raylu> mobilephreak: woah.
[23:54] <Austin`1> raylu: yes but I have a sshfs mounted
[23:54]  * raylu bows
[23:54] <Barridus> is there a "shortcut" for entering the path to the home folder?
[23:54] <n2diy> Slart: yes, that looks like as close as I can get to what I wanted.
[23:54] <Austin`1> raylu: ok, thanks
[23:54] <raylu> Austin`1: is that where you're saving files?
[23:54] <AndreasMadrid> hi!  I have accidentaly removed the netowork thing from the panel (i just wanted to move it), but now i don't find it in "add to panel". How can i get it back? The thing that says if I'm connected to inernet and shows all the wireless networks???
[23:54] <raylu> !home
[23:54] <raylu> meh
[23:54] <raylu> Barridus: ~
[23:54] <illmortal> Anyone know how to unlock the trash bin so that it can be added to a dock or even the desktop?
[23:54] <mobilephreak> raylu been around this for a while, remember getting slackware with floppies
[23:54] <Austin`1> raylu: no, the problem is mostly on ~/Desktop/
[23:55] <obf213> Slart, gparted live to the resuce
[23:55] <raylu> Austin`1: oh... where is the sshfs mounted?
[23:55] <Austin`1> raylu: ~/gulati/
[23:55] <raylu> !trash | illmortal
[23:55] <Austin`1> raylu: should I mount it in /media/
[23:55] <Slart> obf213: ah.. now you should be able to resize it
[23:55] <xavier13> !mdadm > xavier13
[23:55] <techsupport> to install LAMP which command do i run? sudo apt-get install lamp ?
[23:55] <jjlee> Does anybody have any idea why debmirror is fetching (for example) a hardy-security Release file that doesn't match the Release.gpg it also fetched at the same time?
[23:56] <raylu> Austin`1: up to you. i thought it might be slow because it needed to stat the directory above where you mounted it
[23:56] <raylu> Austin`1: but that's unlikely
[23:56] <illmortal> raylu well I don't need the location I don't think... but I remember making a modification somewhere so that I can have the trash bin located on the desktop.
[23:56] <Barridus> hmmm, doesn't seem to work
[23:56] <Austin`1> raylu: ill umount the sshfs and see how if its better
[23:56] <raylu> !icons | illmortal
[23:56] <AndreasMadrid> hi!  I have accidentaly removed the netowork thing from the panel (i just wanted to move it), but now i don't find it in "add to panel". How can i get it back? The thing that says if I'm connected to inernet and shows all the wireless networks???
[23:56] <jjlee> running gpgv myself shows a bad signature error, and the Release file and the Release.gpg file look sensible
[23:56] <raylu> Austin`1: i believe there's a better way than using umount
[23:56] <nickrud> techsupport, sudo tasksel install lamp
[23:57] <jjlee> Does that not worry anybody else?-)
[23:57] <Austin`1> raylu: oh?
[23:57] <demilord_78> look in the session configuration tool AndreasMadrid
[23:57] <illmortal> bam! you're the man, raylu!
[23:57] <kole> hmmmm
[23:57] <kole> how do I get dvds to play?
[23:57] <nickrud> jjlee, try removing the data /var/lib/apt/lists and redownloading it all
[23:57] <raylu> Austin`1: sshfsmount, or something like that. i don't remember
[23:57] <Jack_Sparrow> !dvd
[23:58] <demilord_78> install libdvdcss kole
[23:58] <jjlee> nickrud: all what?  The whole mirror??
[23:58] <nickrud> jjlee, that is, sudo apt-get update ;)
[23:58] <kole> libdvdcss
[23:58] <kole> hmmm
[23:58] <kole> that in addremove?
[23:58] <demilord_78> !dvd
[23:58] <raylu> Austin`1: yeah, there's an sshfs binary. http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/i386/sshfs/filelist
[23:58] <rww> kole: no. Read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[23:58] <AndreasMadrid> demilord_78 there the network manager is already added.... ???
[23:58] <jjlee> nickrud: all == /var/lib/apt/lists, you mean, ok
[23:59] <raylu> !no
[23:59] <Austin`1> raylu: yeah, that's how I mount it. I unmount it with umount
[23:59] <AndreasMadrid> demilord_78 and also some programs show an icon in tray, like amsn, they aren't there anymore either
[23:59] <raylu> Austin`1: i thought sshfs would have some flag for unmounting
[23:59] <est28> hi, I have installed ubuntu 8.10 and after that installed nvidia drivers (using envy). After restart everything is soooooo sluggish, that I have to wait 10 minutes to menu opening. That is because desktop effects are automaticly turned on? How can I turn them off (I can do it only in terminal)?
[23:59] <kole> what do I hit to open command line?
[23:59] <Barridus> heh, raylu, i was entering !home/username as i misunderstood XD
[23:59] <eseven73> Restarting fixed my gconf errors :)


[06:09] <pitti> Good morning
[08:52] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[09:03] <darkxst> hey seb128, pitti
[09:03] <seb128> darkxst, hey, how are you?
[09:03] <darkxst> yeh good, its Friday!
[09:03] <seb128> darkxst, bug #1274740 arrived for you, if you want to review/comment
[09:03] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1274740 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Re-enable traditional titlebar on 'gnome-but-not-shell' sessions too" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1274740
[09:05] <pitti> hey darkxst
[09:05] <darkxst> seb128, these other sessions, really shouldn;t be using XDG_DESKTOP_CURRENT=GNOME
[09:05] <seb128> darkxst, read the description, he's not
[09:06] <seb128> oh
[09:06] <seb128> he is, sorry
[09:06] <seb128> I mixed both variables
[09:06] <darkxst> pretty much all the patches that check for that, are gnome-shell specific
[09:07] <darkxst> pitti, my latest idea re autopilot, would be to add g-i to libautopilot-gtk
[09:08] <seb128> hey, sorry, I'm not fully awake yet, I read the  DESKTOP_SESSION=cairo-dock part and parsed it as XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=cairo-dock
[09:08] <seb128> commented on the bug to ask what is setting it for him there
[09:08] <darkxst> then inject a few lines of JS code into gnome-shell to pass of the clutter stage object that would allow the library to pass the widget tree
[09:09] <seb128> pitti, new gvfs out, do you want to have a look or should I put it on my todo (just checking to not dup work)
[09:10] <pitti> seb128: not today, but I could on Monday
[09:10] <seb128> pitti, ok, let's see if I get to it today
[09:10] <seb128> pitti, are you in Brussel yet btw?
[09:10] <pitti> seb128: in Leuven, at a friend of mine
[09:10] <seb128> k
[09:11] <seb128> have fun at fosdem this w.e ;-)
[09:11] <pitti> seb128: we'll go to Brussels Sat morning, it's just a 20-30 min ride
[09:11] <pitti> seb128: merci !
[09:12] <pitti> darkxst: libautopilot-gtk only has a d-bus interface, so there's not a lot to add g-i for; it's just a GTK module
[09:12] <darkxst> pitti, point being gtk module won't work in gnome-shell
[09:12] <pitti> darkxst: oh, because it's not GTK?
[09:13] <darkxst> pitti, right, but we already determined that right?
[09:13] <darkxst> the GTK widgets is uses are embedded within clutter
[09:13] <pitti> darkxst: I thought it was using some clutter widgets with embedded GTK stuff; I didn't know it was using clutter entirely
[09:13] <darkxst> rather than using clutter-gtk
[09:13] <pitti> well, so it *does* use GTK?
[09:13] <pitti> darkxst: perhaps it's enough to make libautopilot-gtk's detection of top-level windows more clever, to also find these sub-trees?
[09:14] <darkxst> pitti, further down the widget tree
[09:15] <darkxst> its not possible to get at these from gtk module
[09:15] <darkxst> (to get at the main clutter widget tree)
[09:15] <pitti> well, we don't want to
[09:16] <pitti> we just want the GTK subtrees
[09:16] <darkxst> pitti, no, shell widgets are not GTK
[09:16] <darkxst> only things like notification icons
[09:16] <pitti> well, I'm confused
[09:16] <darkxst> and perhaps windows
[09:16] <pitti> I thought you said shell are clutter widgets which at some point embed GTK widgets
[09:16] <pitti> and we want to get those
[09:17] <darkxst> pitti, we can get those but they are all random
[09:17] <darkxst> the main shell ui, is not GTK
[09:18] <pitti> darkxst: btw, if gnome-shell supports a11y, it might be possible to use dogtail/strongwind
[09:19] <darkxst> no idea what they are, however gnome-shell has very good a11y support I believe (well out of my area though)
[09:19] <darkxst> pitti, I have to pop out, be back in a bit
[09:40] <Laney> greetings from the train
[09:41] <seb128> Laney, hey, happy friday!
[09:41] <Laney> howdy!
[09:41] <seb128> do you have a good seat? ;-)
[09:41] <Laney> not sure such a thing exists on this train
[09:42] <Laney> it's a 30 minute local ride
[09:42] <seb128> I was going to say, I've been once in an eurostar and seats were a bit tight and not so nice
[09:42] <seb128> oh
[09:42] <Laney> oh no, this isn't eurostar
[09:42] <Laney> i'm on the way to london
[09:42] <seb128> not in the real train yet ;-)
[09:42] <seb128> gotcha
[09:42] <Laney> going to call at bluefin i think
[09:42] <Laney> leave my big bag there
[09:42] <seb128> you said you would do a stop at the office?
[09:42] <seb128> when is your train to Brussels?
[09:42] <Laney> say hi to the hard-core
[09:42] <Laney> about 1530
[09:43] <seb128> same one as didrocks?
[09:43] <Laney> nod
[09:43] <seb128> cool
[09:44] <Laney> yeah, we can get lost together :P
[09:45] <seb128> I'm sure you guys can find your way ;-)
[09:45] <seb128> shrug, creating an emulator instance is creating quite some IOs, my machine is becoming sloooow
[10:19] <cking> jodh, what machine do you have, and what is the CPU name (from /proc/cpuinfo) ?
[10:20] <jodh> cking: T410 - cat /proc/cpuinfo |pb => http://paste.ubuntu.com/6848656/
[10:20] <cking> ta
[10:32] <jodh> X60h4SM3
[10:46] <Laney> darkxst: After letting you share with gnome-shell I come out with http://paste.ubuntu.com/6848763/
[10:46] <Laney> is that right-ish?
[10:47] <Laney> or if not, please give me an example and I'll see why it doesn't get included
[10:56] <didrocks> Laney: 1504 for me
[10:57] <Laney>    1. Departure: LONDON ST-PANCRAS on FR 31/01/2014 at 15:04
[10:57] <Laney> yup
[10:58] <didrocks> ok, same one then ;)
[10:59] <Laney> Reserved seats: Coach: 017 NON-SMOKING Seat: 033
[11:00] <didrocks> Coach 4, Seat 028
[11:00] <Laney> nod
[11:00] <didrocks> NON SMOKING? It it still possible to smoke on eurostar?
[11:00] <didrocks> is*
[11:00] <Laney> haha, doubt it
[11:07] <didrocks> legacy printing, need cleaning! :)
[12:03] <tjaalton> didrocks: hey, I tried to add sssd to the supported seed earlier but it didn't work.. germinate is just weird :)
[12:03] <tjaalton> this was maybe 2mo ago
[12:06] <didrocks> tjaalton: what didn't work, rebuilding the meta package?
[12:08] <tjaalton> didrocks: I added the package there but the germinate output didn't change
[12:09] <didrocks> tjaalton: do you have your branch?
[12:09] <tjaalton> yes
[12:09] <didrocks>  sssd | 1.11.3-1         | trusty/universe          | source, amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, powerpc, ppc64el
[12:10] <tjaalton> actually I pulled fresh copies now, purged the old
[12:11] <tjaalton> one issue is guessing where to put it
[12:11] <didrocks> tjaalton: just do the seed change and commit the branch
[12:19] <tjaalton> hum, why can't I see ding-libs anywhere although it got promoted?
[12:19] <tjaalton> grepping through the bzr repo I mean
[12:32]  * Laney Has Arrived
[12:44] <seb128> Laney, where? at The Office?
[12:44] <Laney> yup
[12:44] <seb128> nice
[12:44] <seb128> just on time for lunch
[12:44] <seb128> :p
[12:44] <Laney> ;-)
[12:45] <Laney> I think didrocks needs a hug
[12:46] <seb128> yeah, give him an extra one from me!
[12:46] <seb128> sil2100, can I convince you to give a slot for my trivial u-s-s request on l39? ;-)
[12:47]  * didrocks wonders if we shouldn't have silo silots that you pay for
[12:47] <didrocks> thta will show how much you value your upload :p
[12:49] <sil2100> seb128: ooook, so Didier allowed me to land things that are safe and non-super-impacting
[12:49] <ogra_> didrocks, dont make my april fools joke from last year reality please :P
[12:49] <seb128> sil2100, exactly u-s-s, it adds some autopilot tests and update the translation template, no actual code change
[12:49] <didrocks> ogra_: ahah, indeed! wonders if it would more effective with beers in place
[12:49] <didrocks> instead*
[12:49] <sil2100> seb128: right, that's why I'm assigning ;)
[12:49] <seb128> didrocks, I'm ready to pay 1 beer for that silo
[12:49] <seb128> sil2100, thanks ;-)
[12:50] <didrocks> \o/
[12:50]  * didrocks registers
[12:50] <didrocks> we should have an application for that
[12:50] <didrocks> with beer pictures
[12:50] <seb128> ogra_, I'm disappointed that the internet is not quoting your "let's do better that those nautilus suckers"
[12:50] <seb128> ogra_, would be a nice friday trolling
[12:50] <ogra_> yeah
[12:50] <seb128> didrocks, you have a project for the train ;-)
[12:50] <didrocks> seb128: in the train for CItrain
[12:50] <didrocks> to train people
[12:50] <ogra_> seb128, in fact there are no reactions at all ..
[12:51] <seb128> ;-)
[12:51] <Laney> everyone knows you by now :P
[12:52] <ogra_> i guess i need to be more leannartish in the future to get any attention
[12:52] <seb128> yeah
[12:53] <seb128> ogra_, just for the record I plan to reply something, I just need to make my mind of what we need from a filemanager in a converged world
[12:54] <seb128> ogra_, I'm unsure if "converged" is for normal "home users" or for corporates ones
[12:54] <ogra_> seb128, well, the phone tablet sides will exist already ...
[12:55] <seb128> e.g I wouldn't expect the same feature set from my tablet/after hours computer than the ones I need during "office hours"
[12:55] <ogra_> i assume it just needs to grow a desktop mode
[12:55] <mlankhorst> Laney: ping :P
[12:55] <seb128> well, the question is "does desktop mean stuff like handling of remote servers, nfs, etc"
[12:55] <mlankhorst> nm
[12:55] <ogra_> well, it does today
[12:55] <mlankhorst> just the act of pinging makes me find the information i need
[12:56] <seb128> ogra_, right, but do we need that much features for the convergence to happen? or can we do something which is good enough for 90% and tell the other ones to install e.g nemo
[12:56] <seb128> or nautilus
[12:57] <ogra_> seb128, i would say we shouldnt regress in features ... at least plan them
[12:58] <ogra_> (i dont expect them all to be there in the first iteration anyway)
[12:58] <seb128> ogra_, right, we are not likely to get "there" by next cycle
[12:58] <ogra_> anyway, lets keep that on the ML
[12:59] <seb128> what ml was it again?
[12:59] <seb128> I can't find the email now :p
[12:59] <ogra_> yours !
[12:59] <seb128> lol
[12:59] <ogra_> ubuntu-desktop :)
[12:59] <seb128> I was looking on the phone one
[12:59] <seb128> danke
[12:59] <ogra_> :)
[13:32] <ara> Hello! Due to some broken packages (trusty) in several PPAs (ubuntu-sdk-team, qt5-proper) my system is in an unstable state
[13:32] <ara> unity starts, but the launcher, the dash and indicators are not shown
[13:32] <ara> any ideas of potential missing packages?
[13:32] <seb128> ara, hey
[13:33] <seb128> ara, is it working better in a guest session?
[13:33] <ara> seb128, good point, let me try and I will get back
[13:36] <darkxst> Laney, sorry I'm out for the weekend now, but at a quick glance seems reasonable in combination with desktop-extras
[13:37] <ara> seb128, yes, better in guest session
[13:37] <seb128> ara, better but still not good?
[13:38] <ara> seb128, no, better and good :)
[13:38] <ara> seb128, at least it looks good
[13:38] <seb128> ara, run that command for your user "gsettings reset org.compiz.core:/org/compiz/profiles/unity/plugins/core/ active-plugins"
[13:39] <ara> seb128, and restart session?
[13:39] <ara> seb128, ah, no, it worked! thanks!
[13:39] <seb128> ara, shouldn't be needed
[13:39] <seb128> yw!
[13:39] <ara> seb128, you are awesome!
[13:39] <ara> thanks a lot
[13:39] <seb128> ;-)
[13:40] <seb128> yw!
[13:43] <darkxst> Laney, there may be some things that overlap with -desktop that would make sense to have (gnome-themes-standard is one), but will get back to on monday re that
[13:44] <darkxst> given gnome-themes-standard provides our default theme and all
[16:42] <ochosi> tedg: ping
[16:43] <tedg> Howdy ochosi
[16:44] <ochosi> tedg: hey there!
[16:44] <ochosi> i quickly wanted to investigate what the plan is with respect to indicators and the upstart-job transition
[16:45] <ochosi> we recently implemented this change in lightdm-gtk-greeter and then realized, that there are still some problems/roadblocks ahead
[16:46] <ochosi> we're planning a new stable release (1.8) for 14.04, so it'd be great to know what version to ship
[16:53] <ochosi> tedg: ^
[16:55] <tedg> ochosi, So basically we're switching them from being on-demand to being session-services.
[16:55] <tedg> ochosi, Do you have a session manager?
[16:55] <ochosi> tedg: you mean in the greeter?
[16:56] <ochosi> tedg: if so, we usually don't
[16:56] <ochosi> this is how we handle them now: https://code.launchpad.net/~lightdm-gtk-greeter-team/lightdm-gtk-greeter/indicators
[16:57] <tedg> ochosi, That should work, the code in START_INDICATOR_SERVICES
[16:58] <ochosi> tedg: right, i just noticed that it doesn't work with all indicators yet
[16:58] <ochosi> and there's this blueprint saying that some are still WIP
[16:58] <tedg> ochosi, Which one doesn't it?
[16:58] <ochosi> indicator-application
[16:58] <ochosi> (for nm-applet)
[16:58] <tedg> Hmm, okay.
[16:58]  * tedg thought we fixed it.
[16:58] <tedg> I'll make sure that works.
[16:59] <tedg> It's a bug.
[16:59] <tedg> BTW, it won't start nm-applet though.
[16:59] <ochosi> hmkay
[17:00] <ochosi> i was also looking at this https://bugs.launchpad.net/libindicator/+bug/1185565
[17:00] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1185565 in libindicator "Indicators should have Upstart jobs" [Medium,Confirmed]
[17:00] <ochosi> application indicators seemingly hasn't had a release yet?
[17:04] <ochosi> tedg: also, in addition to that ^ this also made me wonder about the roadmap: https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/ubiquity/upstart-indicators/+merge/192941
[17:04] <tedg> ochosi, Yeah, I have a TODO item to make ubquity use the autostart files there.
[17:05] <tedg> ochosi, I need to run right now, but I'll look into it more when I get back.
[17:05] <ochosi> tedg: ok, ttyl then!
[17:08] <xnox> ochosi: tedg: ubiquity doesn't need autostart/upstart files at all, i'm looking into fixing it otherwise.
[17:08] <ochosi> xnox: so that comment about re-introducing dbus activation, is there a plan to switch back to that?
[17:09] <ochosi> sorry to ask so bluntly, but i'm a bit confused here
[17:21] <xnox> ochosi: no dbus activation, nor upstart jobs, nor autostart files are needed for ubiquity.
[17:21] <xnox> ochosi: i've discussed it with tedg in length.
[17:21] <xnox> ochosi: and i'm assigned to implement it.
[17:26] <seb128> xnox, what are you going to use instead?
[17:27] <xnox> seb128: same thing the rest of ubiquity-dm uses to launch & track all other processes it launches.
[17:27] <seb128> xnox, k
[17:27] <xnox> "ubiquity process lifecycle management"
[17:29] <seb128> it's weird that ubiquity has its own management rather than using upstart
[17:30] <xnox> seb128: also ubiquity predates upstart.
[17:30] <xnox> seb128: there are no ubiquity maintainers, and we are investing as minimal effort as needed to keep it functioning.
[17:30] <seb128> right, but it would be easy to make indicators job upstart managed there
[17:31] <xnox> seb128: only things that are priority are OEM bugs + hardware enablement.
[17:31] <seb128> anyway, I didn't want to start an argument, you are the one doing the work, you get to pick what seems best to you ;-)
[17:31] <seb128> yeah
[17:31] <xnox> seb128: =) meh =) yeah.
[17:31] <seb128> I just though that using upstart jobs would be easiest option
[17:31] <seb128> tell you how little I know about those things :p
[17:38] <ochosi> (sry, internet went out)
[17:39] <ochosi> seb128, xnox: so in general, all indicators *will* be ported to upstart jobs for 14.04, right?
[17:39] <ochosi> i just mistook that comment from the ubiquity-MR for plans to revert the switch to upstart and go back to dbus in general
[17:39] <xnox> ochosi: i have no idea, and none of my concern.
[17:39] <xnox> ochosi: other discussions, superseeded that comments of mine.
[17:40] <seb128> ochosi, that's a question for ted
[17:40] <ochosi> xnox: ok
[17:40] <xnox> ochosi: i have no objections in indicators moving to everything =)
[17:40] <ochosi> hmm, well i just would love to have working indicators in time for 14.04
[17:40] <ogra_> move them to the laft :P
[17:40] <ogra_> left
[17:41] <ochosi> and with feature-freeze approaching it's a bit annoying not to know what path is chosen


[10:05] <LocutusOfBorg> tjaalton, hi, you there=
[10:05] <LocutusOfBorg> ?
[10:05] <LocutusOfBorg> reporting a mesa issue
[10:05] <LocutusOfBorg> not sure what changed, but pyqt5 needs a rebuild on top of it
[10:05] <LocutusOfBorg> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/266772828/buildlog_ubuntu-yakkety-arm64.calibre_2.55.0+dfsg-1build2_BUILDING.txt.gz
[10:05] <LocutusOfBorg>     from PyQt5.QtWidgets import QStyle  # Gives a nicer error message than import from Qt
[10:05] <LocutusOfBorg> ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/PyQt5/QtGui.aarch64-linux-gnu.so: undefined symbol: _ZTI18QOpenGLTimeMonitor
[10:05] <LocutusOfBorg> debian/rules:28: recipe for target 'debian/tmp' failed
[10:06] <LocutusOfBorg> rebuilding pyqt5 and calligre on arm64 fixes the issue
[10:06] <LocutusOfBorg> not sure what else needs a rebuild
[10:29] <jcristau> how is a qt bug a mesa issue?
[10:30] <LocutusOfBorg> good question
[10:30] <LocutusOfBorg> I excluded qt, because qt in ubuntu didn't have a transition
[10:30] <jcristau> QOpenGLTimeMonitor and PyQt5/QtGui aren't mesa...
[10:31] <LocutusOfBorg> what I can say is that a no change rebuild picked up for python3-pyqt5 an additional dependency
[10:31] <LocutusOfBorg> libgles2-mesa (>= 7.8.1) | libgles2
[10:32] <LocutusOfBorg> and a diff on the build logs shows "-lGLESv2" added
[10:32] <LocutusOfBorg> this is why I'm saying mesa is the culprit
[10:32] <jcristau> that makes no sense whatsoever
[10:33] <LocutusOfBorg> I know, this is why I'm reporting it here
[10:33] <LocutusOfBorg> :) I have no clues
[10:33] <jcristau> no, i'm saying your conclusion that mesa is the culprit makes no sense
[10:35] <LocutusOfBorg> might be indeed, I'm looking at the debian transition right now
[10:36] <LocutusOfBorg> I want to see if the same appears there
[10:37] <tjaalton> there's no new mesa uploads in yak
[10:37] <tjaalton> 12.0 is still WIP
[10:42] <LocutusOfBorg> well, looking at both logs I can't find more clues
[10:42] <LocutusOfBorg> Get:55 http://ftpmaster.internal/ubuntu xenial/main arm64 libegl1-mesa arm64 11.0.8-1ubuntu1 [50.2 kB]
[10:42] <LocutusOfBorg> Get:58 http://ftpmaster.internal/ubuntu yakkety/main arm64 libegl1-mesa arm64 11.2.1-1ubuntu1 [58.1 kB]
[10:42] <LocutusOfBorg> I know this doesn't make sense
[10:42] <jcristau> LocutusOfBorg: qt is broken.
[10:42] <jcristau> go fix qt?
[10:43] <LocutusOfBorg> qt from 10ubuntu2 changed to 17ubuntu2
[10:43] <LocutusOfBorg> lets see the differences
[10:43] <LocutusOfBorg> I can't fix it
[10:44] <LocutusOfBorg> damn indeed
[10:44] <LocutusOfBorg>   * Add arm64 to gles archs.
[10:44] <LocutusOfBorg> last upload
[10:44] <LocutusOfBorg> this makes sense
[10:53] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks
[11:00] <tjaalton> ha


[01:52] <newb-2014> Does anyone know why the Plasma 5 variant of the 14.10 live image crashes on startup on my Yoga Pro 2?
[02:05] <znc-> test
[02:06] <znc-> in my homedirectory logged in as user of I dont need permissions right
[02:07] <znc-> sorry my fault have made something wrong
[02:34] <toothe> Hi, I JUST installed Ubuntu on this brand new laptop. How do I verify or install the video card drivers?
[02:34] <toothe> I've done it before on a work laptop, but I forgot what happened - a popup just appeared before me.
[03:33] <struktured> toothe: http://www.themukt.com/2014/09/17/10-things-installing-kubuntu/
[03:48] <toothe> struktured: I on't see additional drivers when I hit alt-F2
[03:50] <toothe> I noticed that Kubuntu's search feature searches online....is there a way to disable that?
[04:40] <jamesbdev> Hi, could someone please let me know if Kubuntu 14.10 Plasma 5 is stable enough for use on my work desktop?
[04:41] <jamesbdev> It would be safer for me to use 14.10 Plasma 4 but I think plasma 5 is pretty :)
[07:13] <soee> good morning
[07:40] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:53] <Yukinotteru> Oyasumi lordievader \o
[07:55] <lordievader> Yukinotteru: Ohaiyou o/
[07:55] <Yukinotteru> Er, sorry
[07:55] <Yukinotteru> Konbanawa* \o
[07:56] <lordievader> :P
[07:56] <lordievader> I should install ibus on this box...
[07:56] <Yukinotteru> :P
[08:21] <hadi> what is this !
[08:22] <lordievader> hadi: What is what?
[09:15] <znc-> can me still run an older kubuntu with working repisotories
[09:16] <znc-> got "Unable to Download the following  packages:" could paste it
[09:18] <lordievader> znc-: What version of Kubuntu are you running?
[09:18] <znc-> 11.10
[09:19] <lordievader> znc-: That has been EOL since May 9 2013...
[09:19] <lordievader> You should upgrade.
[09:19] <znc-> ahhh ok
[09:19] <znc-> the EOL says what the max of support right
[09:20] <hateball> !eolupgrade
[09:21] <znc-> oki got it
[09:21] <znc-> lordievader hateball thanks
[09:22] <znc-> can I fake an older system, are there links
[09:23] <lordievader> Fake an older system? What do you mean?
[09:24] <znc-> its rather simple try to compile something old and got always issues because version to new the most time now I wanted to make it in an easy way and just installed kubuntu 11.10
[09:24] <znc-> I would like to install just old stuff, like, as if we got the date from before
[09:24] <hateball> znc-: Run old stuff in a VM
[09:24] <znc-> right
[09:25] <znc-> I hope you understand how I mean it
[09:53] <znc-> now just trying to install git but getting some dependancies problems http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Git
[09:53] <znc-> sorry http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Git
[09:54] <znc-> packages.debian.org/sid/all/git-core/download
[09:55] <hateball> My german is rusty. But why would you download debian packages if you run *ubuntu?
[09:55] <znc-> is that wrong
[09:56] <lordievader> znc-: Yes, you should use Ubuntu packages ;)
[09:56] <znc-> oki, do you got a site to search for
[09:58] <lordievader> znc-: old-releases.ubuntu.com is for EOL stuff.
[09:58] <znc-> very cool thx
[09:58] <lordievader> Else packages.ubuntu.com
[10:00] <znc-> old-releases.ubuntu.com can me use this as reposotory
[10:00] <znc-> in order to get use of apt-get
[10:00] <lordievader> Don't know, perhaps.
[10:00] <Pigi> Hi all
[10:00] <znc-> ok I try
[10:06] <Pigi> Anyone use compiz/fusion on kubuntu 14.10 ?
[10:07] <lordievader> Pigi: We have Kwin, no need for Compiz.
[10:08] <Pigi> More or less. :) There's a bunch of fun widget missing, aren't they ?
[10:09] <Pigi> Fire, water, snow ( as example ;)
[10:09] <Pigi> Or I'm missing something ?
[10:10] <lordievader> One could classify them as missing, or not.
[10:11] <Pigi> You're right :)
[10:11] <Pigi> But what if someone classify those as missing ? Any chance to get it back ?
[10:13] <hateball> One could write such an effect and upload to kde-look.org for instance :)
[10:14] <hateball> For Kwin, that is
[10:30] <Pigi> hateball: that would be fine, but isn't it redundant ?
[10:30] <hateball> Pigi: What is redundant?
[10:31] <hateball> If anything Compiz is redundant
[10:31] <Pigi> to write something that has already been written, I suspect ;)
[10:33] <lordievader> According to that argument a lot in the Linux world is redundant...
[10:33] <Pigi> I agree !
[10:34] <lordievader> Pros and cons. As allways.
[10:41] <znc-> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades seems to work so
[10:59] <znc-> hey, in vi the cursors arent changing the cursorposition I got AB.. and backspace just moves the cursor to the left
[10:59] <lordievader> znc-: Try vim ;)
[10:59] <znc-> oh yo are here too :(
[11:00] <znc-> :)
[12:28] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:31] <daSilva> Howdy
[14:41] <yv> hallo
[14:42] <BluesKaj> hi yv
[15:16] <Excite> hello
[15:19] <lordievader> o/
[15:58] <Junior> algum brasileiro porai?
[16:02] <dcorbin> I attempt "apt-get remove -f <package>" It fails: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/85056ce109a40c4fb134  How do I get this remove?
[16:12] <DJ-Excite> yahoo app fails
[16:21] <BernhardS> is there an additional package I need to install to view tga images with gwenview?
[16:32] <DJ-Excite> i need help on someing
[16:32] <DJ-Excite> launcher-partypokernj://-P=partypokerNJ%20-S=real-nj.partygaming.com#2147%20-action=account%20-category=wallet%20-SU=https://www2.partypoker.com/Downloads/SmartUpgraders/
[16:34] <DJ-Excite> need a app for launcher for NJ
[16:44] <Walex> BernhardS: probably not...
[16:44] <Walex> cd
[17:16] <kavaco> hi
[17:16] <lordievader> o/
[17:16] <kavaco> lordievader: the amd radeon is working now!!!
[17:17] <lordievader> kavaco: Good to hear :)
[17:17] <kavaco> i downloaded the kubuntu 14.04 and install
[17:17] <kavaco> i think, the problem is on the kubuntu 14.10
[17:19] <kavaco> lordievader: but, i have a new problem :D
[17:21] <lordievader> kavaco: Shoot ;)
[17:23] <kavaco> when i updating the kubuntu 14.04 on the first exec...
[17:23] <kavaco> an error ocurred
[17:23] <kavaco> my english is bad, sorry :D
[17:24] <kavaco> and, the plasma option there is not on lightdm
[17:25] <kavaco> i installed the, xfce to use de system
[17:25] <DJ-Excite> wear do i fine Kubuntu for phone
[17:25] <DJ-Excite> ?
[17:29] <kavaco> now, i run the apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, and it is installed...
[17:31] <lordievader> kavaco: How did you install the system?
[17:32] <kavaco> but a cant use the muon and another softwares, they do not ask for password then do not work
[17:33] <kavaco> lordievader: normally
[17:33] <kavaco> using a pendrive
[17:34] <lordievader> Hmm, now that is hard to believe. Did you check the md5 sum?
[17:35] <lordievader> Or did you use a mini iso or the server iso?
[17:44] <kavaco> no
[17:45] <lordievader> kavaco: No on the md5 or no on the alternate iso?
[17:45] <kavaco> this
[17:45] <kavaco> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/trusty/release/kubuntu-14.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[17:46] <lordievader> Hmm, that should be allright... Odd though that the kubuntu-desktop package ain't installed.
[17:49] <kavaco> lordievader: this error occurred after (or during) the first update. Before that, it worked normally kubuntu
[17:50] <lordievader> kavaco: Going back to your first description, on the first exec an error orccured. What error?
[17:52] <kavaco> yes, on first exec, i updated it...
[17:52] <kavaco> install just some packages, i dont understand
[17:52] <kavaco> and i restart the computer
[17:52] <lordievader> kavaco: But what error did you get?
[17:53] <kavaco> and the kde dont start anymore
[17:53] <kavaco> => the muon does not ask for password
[17:54] <lordievader> kavaco: Can you still get to a shell, a tty or something?
[17:55] <kavaco> yes
[17:55] <lordievader> kavaco: What happens when you reinstall kubuntu-desktop?
[17:58] <kavaco> the apt-get install just the kubuntu-desktop package, normally
[17:58] <kavaco> i think
[17:58] <lordievader> kavaco: It is a meta-package it should ensure you have most stuff that you need.
[17:59] <kavaco> ok
[17:59] <kavaco> what should be the problem of the muon?
[18:00] <lordievader> No idea, I never use muon.
[18:01] <kavaco> i cant install a program from muon before the kubuntu-desktop problem.
[18:01] <kavaco> but then we forget this
[18:03] <lordievader> kavaco: Now I'm uncertain. Did you have a working KDE?
[18:03] <kavaco> yes
[18:04] <lordievader> kavaco: Ah, I was under the impression that you didn't/
[18:05] <kavaco> :D
[18:05] <lordievader> So the problem is Muon?
[18:10] <kavaco> yes
[18:11] <kavaco> you think best reinstall?
[18:11] <lordievader> kavaco: What do you get when you launch it from the Konsole?
[18:11] <kavaco> the kubuntu
[18:11] <lordievader> Lets not get drastic straight away ;)
[18:12] <kavaco> usin SUDO, it work
[18:13] <lordievader> kavaco: Course it does, but that ain't the point.
[18:14] <kavaco> ok
[18:14] <lordievader> kavaco: What you are trying to figure out is why it doesn't prompt you for those rights.
[18:16] <kavaco> ok
[18:19] <kavaco> wait a minute, please...
[18:24] <kavaco> lordievader: the restart, shutdown and logout button on kde menu dont working too
[18:24] <lordievader> kavaco: One issue at a time...
[18:26] <kavaco> ok
[18:28] <lordievader> kavaco: So do you notice anything interesting when you launch muon from the konsole?
[18:29] <kavaco> just this: QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave.
[18:29] <kavaco> on output
[18:29] <lordievader> Only that?
[18:30] <kavaco> yes
[18:31] <kavaco> now this: found error while replying QDBusError("org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.InvalidArgs", "")
[18:31] <lordievader> Is that when you try to install something?
[18:32] <kavaco> yes
[18:33] <lordievader> kavaco: Is dbus running?
[18:34] <kavaco> from "sudo service --status-all"
[18:34] <kavaco> [ - ]  dbus
[18:35] <kavaco> wrong?
[18:36] <lordievader> kavaco: "sudo service dbus status" is easier, and yes it should be running. However I'm not sure if it should run as root or as the user. What do you get when you run 'qdbus'?
[18:37] <kavaco> dbus start/running, process 734
[18:38] <lordievader> kavaco: Err, what command gave that output?
[18:38] <kavaco> dbus start/running, process 734 ----- this?
[18:39] <lordievader> Yes
[18:39] <kavaco> sudo service dbus status
[18:40] <lordievader> Hmm, so it is running.
[18:42] <kavaco> I do not want to bother. let's leave it at that.
[18:43] <lordievader> Reading a very old bugreport it states that polkit-kde-1 should be installed. Not sure if that is still needed.
[18:43] <lordievader> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qapt/+bug/833058
[18:44] <kavaco> it is installed
[18:45] <lordievader> kavaco: Read the last few comments and also https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=331114
[18:47] <kavaco> i dont understand
[18:47] <kavaco> but it is working now
[18:48] <kavaco> i do restart to test it
[18:48] <kavaco> ok?
[18:48] <kavaco> i come back
[18:48] <lordievader> kavaco: What did you do in the meantime?
[18:49] <kavaco> just ran the commands you asked
[18:50] <kavaco> is that the system is unstable?
[18:50] <lordievader> Nah, don't think so.
[18:50] <kavaco> the restart button is workin now
[18:52] <kavaco> i come back
[18:56] <kavaco> the restart, shutdown and logout dont working, again. lordievader
[18:56] <kavaco> ahuhauhauhauaa
[18:57] <kavaco> lordievader: and the muon dont asked the password, again
[18:57] <lordievader> kavaco: What's the output of 'ps aux|grep dbus'?
[18:57] <kavaco> :/
[18:57] <lordievader> !paste
[18:58] <kavaco> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9076518/
[19:13] <kavaco> lordievader: hi
[19:14] <kavaco> thanks for attention
[19:17] <lordievader> kavaco: I have a dbus-launch among them, not sure if that is related to systemd, but I get the feeling you should have it too...
[19:18] <lordievader> Though you do have the deamon running.. Gues qdbus also output a whole lot?
[19:19] <kavaco> Gues?
[19:19] <lordievader> Guess*
[19:21] <kavaco> you wonder if that output is complete?
[19:21] <lordievader> kavaco: I don't know. However does 'qdbus' output a lot of text?
[19:22] <kavaco> yes
[19:23] <kavaco> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9076888/
[19:23] <kavaco> here
[19:23] <lordievader> Yeah, then likely it ain't dbus.
[19:24] <kavaco> ok
[19:24] <kavaco> i come back...
[19:59] <starnik> hi guys
[20:01] <lordievader> o/
[20:06] <tertu> KSnapshot doesn't actually let me save pictures
[20:06] <tertu> it takes a snapshot as you choose to save so i can't actually save the snapshot i wanted to save
[22:04] <mokush> is there a way I can install konqueror with plasma 5 on 14.10?I'm getting an 'unmet dependencies:' error when trying to install
[22:06] <barraponto> what is the recommended way to try out plasma5 in 14.04?
[22:06] <barraponto> or is it only recommended for 14.10?
[22:07] <lordievader> barraponto: Either 14.10 or 15.04 if you are really daring.
[22:11] <barraponto> meh, I need it to be compatible with my colleagues :P
[22:11] <barraponto> lordievader: thanks
[22:11] <barraponto> I'll go with kde4
[22:11] <barraponto> plasma4
[22:46] <MobilRoey> HERLLLP!
[22:46] <MobilRoey> my system's gone geborked.
[22:46] <MobilRoey> I tried do-dist-upgrade -d yesterday
[22:46] <MobilRoey> now KDe won't start.  I see a mouse cursor, the Nvidia splash logo... and then just black (with a cursor)
[22:46] <MobilRoey> I tried fvwm and xfce--same result.
[22:47] <MobilRoey> also, my console is EXTREMELY slow to draw.. it's not on 80x25 mode (something wider like 135xsomething)
[22:48] <keithzg> MobilRoey: Personally I'd try purging all the NVIDIA packages and then reinstalling them.
[22:52] <MobilRoey> keithzg:  well I tried re-installing the NVidia drivers, but I got the same result.  Is it NVidia that's the issue though?  I do see the NVidia logo on X startup, after all
[22:53] <keithzg> MibilRoey: Well, if you're having slow drawing and such, it does sound like it would be.
[22:54] <keithzg> To be clear here, I don't just mean uninstall.
[22:54] <keithzg> I mean outright purge.
[22:54] <keithzg> I've had issues in the past where old NVIDIA configs and libraries were left around and screwed me upon upgrading.
[22:54] <MobilRoey> aye
[22:54] <keithzg> (Had the same thing recently with AMD graphics, to be fair.)
[22:55] <MobilRoey> I wonder if the NVidia installer has a purge option
[22:55] <keithzg> I wouldn't use the NVIDIA installer if I was you!
[22:55] <keithzg> The packages that ship with *buntu are far safer.
[22:56] <keithzg> Also it could be worth purging the NVIDIA graphics and then seeing, upon reboot, if the fallback drivers (likely it'll default down to noveau) have the same issues. If they don't, then you do know it's the drivers at fault.
[22:56] <MobilRoey> oh my toe
[22:56] <MobilRoey> oh my go
[22:56] <MobilRoey> god
[22:56] <MobilRoey> no purge on nvidia binw
[22:56] <MobilRoey> bins
[22:56] <MobilRoey> I'll bbaib
[22:56] <unopaste> MobilRoey you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[22:59] <soee> MobilRoey: what version of Kubuntu are you running?
[23:00] <MobilRoey> 14,10
[23:16] <MobilRoey> back
[23:27] <MobilRoey> anyone still here?
[23:28] <MobilRoey> keithzg:  also I think I have the nouveau drivers blacklisted as they caused issues for me
[23:31] <keithzg> MobilRoey: Might be worth un-blacklisting them for the time being.
[23:31] <keithzg> So have you purged the NVIDIA drivers now, or?
[23:57] <MobilRoey> keithzg:  ah
[23:57] <MobilRoey> keithzg:  I have not purged them
[23:57] <MobilRoey> don't know how to purge it manually
[23:57] <MobilRoey> I mean, maybe purging the nouveau packages will do that
[23:57] <MobilRoey> apt-get --purge
[23:58] <keithzg> If you've installed via the NVIDIA installer, yeah, it may not be easy to purge.
[23:58] <keithzg> But you can certainly search your PC for what it has left behind.
[23:59] <MobilRoey> sure


[01:33] <theunixgeek> How do I get the current Hardy build?
[01:34] <Toma-> usual methods
[01:34] <theunixgeek> Toma-: which are?
[01:34] <Toma-> see the topic
[01:35] <theunixgeek> Toma-: doesn't say anything about downloading the latest build's ISO image.
[01:35] <Toma-> build isos come in the final release stages.
[01:35] <Toma-> nothing but repos at the moment
[01:36] <theunixgeek> Toma-: thank you.
[03:09] <crimsun> Heads up: pulseaudio 0.9.7-3ubuntu1 users upgrading to 0.9.7-3ubuntu2 without rebooting or following this[0] procedure may experience issues.
[03:10] <crimsun> [0] Log out of GNOME, kill the pulseaudio daemon(s) and remove /tmp/.esd*, then log back in.
[03:11]  * Hobbsee updates
[03:11] <Hobbsee> crimsun: a little late, no? :)
[03:12] <crimsun> I've just returned from a transcontinental flight, so I've been scurrying to bzr push changes :)
[03:12] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[06:52] <savi0r666> need some help
[06:52] <savi0r666> anyone around
[07:48] <pwnguin> so /j #openwrt
[07:48] <pwnguin> doh
[12:41] <DanaG> Gaack, that netsplit destroyed my logs for today.
[16:07] <Laser87> Hi!
[19:42] <h3sp4wn> Have I just upgraded to hardy half way through an x transition ?
[19:51] <IdleOne> h3sp4wn: have you?
[19:52] <h3sp4wn> IdleOne: I don't know - it has not finished yet
[19:52] <IdleOne> X seems to be working ok here
[19:52] <IdleOne> finish and see what happens
[19:52] <h3sp4wn> but a few things that I may need seemed to be removed (unless they moved to another package)
[19:52] <h3sp4wn> xrandr for example
[19:53] <IdleOne> yeah it will probably be replaced with newer version or maybe a diff package
[19:54] <h3sp4wn> infact I use the XiG xserver anyway so I almost certainly don't need it
[19:54] <h3sp4wn> I do need the client libraries though
[20:03] <qaws> hi, how can I upgrade to hh? gksudo "update-manager -d" freezes (stops refreshing graphics and stops upgrading), is is the same like it was with upgrade FF->GG - is any other way to upgrade it?
[20:04] <h3sp4wn> qaws: Just use aptitude if you are certain you want to do it
[20:04] <h3sp4wn> (I did just that ~ 20 mins ago and it seems fine)
[20:04] <qaws> h3sp4wn: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[20:05] <qaws> or what command?
[20:05] <h3sp4wn>  read the /topic
[20:06] <qaws> yeah, but I am only asking for help, i want to know, whether is my Ubuntu corrupted
[20:06] <IdleOne> qaws: does Gutsy boot?
[20:06] <IdleOne> if so you should be ok
[20:06] <qaws> IdleOne: yes, I use it about 5 months and it is too old
[20:06] <IdleOne> lol
[20:06] <IdleOne> ok
[20:07] <qaws> I want something newer
[20:07] <IdleOne> qaws: you can change all instances of gutsy in /etc/apt/sources.list to hardy  that is how I did it but if it breaks dont come yelling at me
[20:08] <IdleOne> then run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:08] <IdleOne> again instructions provided without any express implication of workability
[20:09] <IdleOne> do !backup first
[20:09] <qaws> IdleOne: now should it go  gksudo "update-manager -d" (non-manual way), but it does not work, because update-manager has always problem
[20:09] <qaws> IdleOne: Must I rewrite it manually?
[20:10] <IdleOne> qaws: do it whatever way you want
[20:10] <h3sp4wn> !backup
[20:10] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[20:10]  * IdleOne uses sudo nanio /etc/apt/sources.list and edits the file manualy
[20:11] <IdleOne> s/nanio/nano
[20:11] <qaws> Was any diferent way to upgrade FF->GG, then rewriting repos and using update-manager?
[20:12] <h3sp4wn> I used "sudo perl -pi -e 's/gutsy/hardy/i' /etc/apt/sources.list"
[20:12] <IdleOne> qaws: yes but right now the update manager is probably not working
[20:12] <h3sp4wn> I don't see any need for it to be working until people should be using it
[20:13] <IdleOne> qaws: hardy is more then pre-alpha it is pre-pre-alpha
[20:13] <qaws> IdleOne: it wasnt never working on my PC, but there is a option to do it ==> can be ubuntu absolutely screwed up?
[20:14] <IdleOne> qaws: ubuntu is fine. besides if you cant figure out how to upgrade to alpha software then you should not be running that software especially if it is an entire OS
[20:15] <IdleOne> h3sp4wn: agreed
[20:17] <qaws> IdleOne: thx, is it enough to rewrite it in sources.list?
[20:19] <IdleOne> qaws: yes
[20:20] <qaws> 554MB downloading :D
[20:20] <h3sp4wn> I cannot understand why ubuntu is always quite fast until late in the development process then suddenly it becomes really sluggish
[20:21] <qaws> h3sp4wn: probably it is a support of technologies we will never use
[20:22] <h3sp4wn> perhaps
[20:23] <qaws> what is new in hardy yet?
[20:24] <h3sp4wn> nothing much - found some broken stuff though
[20:25] <qaws> h3sp4wn: it's not a bug, it's a feature :D
[20:25] <h3sp4wn> qaws: I know and I don't doubt it should be done
[20:26] <h3sp4wn> I just need to work out how to use an external jre with matlab
[22:18] <DanaG> OOh, nvidia 169.04!
[22:19] <DanaG> Powermizer actually works!
[22:19] <DanaG> But you can't set limits to speeds.
[22:19] <DanaG> i.e. you can't make it not go to full-speed when doing 3D stuff on battery.