[05:23] <jozefk> Is it possible to intall Lubuntu on Intel Mac in the way that it will be the only one OS on it? No OS X at all. And if yes, would all hardware work fine or I would have problems?
[05:49] <Sachiru> @jozefk: Google says https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwitchingToUbuntu/FromMacOSX
[05:51] <Sachiru> And: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MactelSupportTeam/AppleIntelInstallation#Single-Boot:_Ubuntu_Only
[05:51] <Sachiru> Lubuntu is just Ubuntu with LXDE, so the instructions there apply
[05:52] <Sachiru> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacPro
[06:06] <jozefk> thanks
[06:06] <jozefk> I will go through those links
[06:24] <jozefk> it seems for my mac I should go for Lucid https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro5-5/Lucid
[06:28] <jozefk> what is very weird is that it says that wireless will not work and that the driver should be installed with apt-get intall
[06:28] <jozefk> who did they imagine you will get the Internet connection from for that? :D
[06:29] <jozefk> how*
[08:38] <bong1> the latest version of chrome crashes on lubuntu 14.04.


[01:08] <Unit193> So all the new stuff is in PPA, but it'll take a little longer for Ubuntu to catch up.
[03:01] <Unit193> About to upload new xfce4-session with some things dropped, ping if there's issues.
[16:33] <zombi> hi all
[19:10] <jphilips> bluesabre: great to see some of my suggested improvements get in. do try and push in my patches already on git and let me know how i can help send in more patches.
[22:52] <Unit193> ochosi: Wait, so you're telling me I have to go through all this all over again this weekend?! :P
[22:55] <ochosi> :D
[22:55] <ochosi> hoping so
[22:55] <ochosi> but depends, it's quite a bit of work to get done...
[22:56] <ochosi> but yes, from now on i'd say asap
[22:57] <Unit193> We already discussed about Debian, we feel bad about doing a "Port or be removed" for xfce4-equake-plugin, but we're on board.


[12:32] <Petr> sadbfl: the "login name" vs. "email address" is now bug 39814
[12:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39814 in launchpad "Misleading login hint" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39814
[12:34] <Petr> and to the issue with pre-filling wrong password: yes, its browser depandat. If I dissable remembering passwords, all goes normal. (name and password will empty)
[12:34] <mdke> that's still a bug
[12:35] <Petr> well, but i browser. and he is not bale to detect it
[12:35] <Petr> typo, "in browser"
[12:36] <mdke> it's certainly a bug, most people will ask it to remember the password, I know I did
[12:36] <mdke> and I _think_ it doesn't happen on regular moin wiki's, so it might be caused by our hack
[12:37] <Petr> when auth fails, server would need to send javascript to remove password's content on body onload. and this is too heavy I think
[12:38] <Petr> ok, I'll fill it
[12:38] <mdke> sabdfl left, so subscribe him to the bug or something
[12:38] <mdke> or mail hi
[12:38] <mdke> m
[12:39] <Petr> anyway, is anyone missing logout button? aparently user is not able to logou the wiki, ubnless he deletes the cookie
[12:40] <mdke> logout from the UserPreferences page
[12:45] <Petr> mdke: nope, there is no "logout". I have even searched for "log" and lookend at all pictures on the UserPreferences
[12:46] <mdke> Petr, there is dude. It's under the preferences, next to "save"
[12:46] <Petr> oh, i got it
[12:46] <Petr> thank you
[12:47] <mdke> np
[01:25] <Petr> mdke: i have tried 3 sites and all exhibit the same behawiour. So I do not think that it is a bug worth reporting.
[01:25] <kiko> catch you all later
[01:44] <Petr> bye
[03:10] <sabdfl> hey mpt
[03:29] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[03:29] <mpt> Hi sabdfl
[03:32] <sabdfl> mpt: happy easter!
[03:34] <mpt> thanks, and likewise
[04:55] <sabdfl> hey stub
[04:56] <stub> sabdfl: Morning
[04:57] <sabdfl> stub: https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/fileKuIr4c.html
[04:57] <stub> Ok. For your blueprint work to land Tuesday? I wanted to avoid a full rollout this week to give more of a chance for any Zope3.2 issues to fall out.
[04:57] <sabdfl> stub: land in production tuesday?
[04:57] <stub> Yes
[04:57] <stub> Erm... Tuesday week
[04:57] <sabdfl> oh
[04:57] <sabdfl> not great
[04:58] <sabdfl> want to get summer-of-code specs coming in
[04:58] <sabdfl> and need blueprint in better shape, with benefit of this weekends landings
[04:58] <sabdfl> are you expecting 3.2 issues?
[04:58] <stub> ok. I'll do a full push late Tuesday.
[04:58] <stub> We already found one, which Bjorn fixed.
[04:59] <sabdfl> finding them on staging?
[04:59] <stub> Its just a large amount of changes
[04:59] <sabdfl> or just through general banging-on-it-under-development?
[04:59] <sabdfl> right
[04:59] <sabdfl> ok, perhaps its worth holding off
[04:59] <stub> I think Brad found it on his local box
[04:59] <sabdfl> scary
[04:59] <sabdfl> to find something local that's not showing up in tests
[05:00] <stub> It was a Z3.2 bug
[05:01] <sabdfl> good job bradb, in that case
[05:01] <stub> So technically our tests shouldn't have been checking for it (the Zope 3.2 one should have, and indeed, there was already an open bug report on it. Bjorn added a workaround upstream, but the real bug is still in there as fixing it will probably cause breakage)
[05:02] <sabdfl> can you look over that db patch so i can renumber and send it off to pqm?
[05:02] <stub> yup
[05:02] <sabdfl> thanks
[05:03] <stub> So a product series milestone is also a product milestone?
[05:07] <sabdfl> stub: yes, same milestone, just now connected to the series AND the product
[05:07] <sabdfl> the latter part of the db patch tries to set as many series / distroreleases as possible on the milestones
[05:07] <sabdfl> on the basis that, if there is only one series / distrorelease, rock on
[05:07] <stub> sabdfl: ok - that all looks good. patch-40-49-0.sql pending comments.sql updates ;)
[05:07] <sabdfl> then there are some pages that will let me fix all the remaining ones manaually
[05:07] <sabdfl> ah
[05:08] <sabdfl> yes
[05:08] <sabdfl> ok :-)
[05:09] <sabdfl> COMMENT ON COLUMN Milestone.distrorelease IS 'The distrorelease for which this is a milestone.';
[05:09] <sabdfl> COMMENT ON COLUMN Milestone.productseries IS 'The productseries for which this is a milestone.';
[05:09] <sabdfl> ok?
[05:10] <sabdfl> stub?
[05:11] <stub> COMMENT ON COLUMN Milestone.distrorelease IS 'The distrorelease for which this is a milestone. Milestones for a distrorelease are always milestones for the corresponding distribution.'
[05:11] <sabdfl> ok
[05:12] <stub> (which describes the constraints in english)
[05:13] <sabdfl> done
[05:50] <stub> 32 degrees broken clouds my arse
[09:23] <sivang> mornint all
[09:39] <mpt> jamesh, got time for a ~50-line review?
[09:41] <mpt> or lifeless?
[09:52] <jamesh> mpt: okay
[09:55] <mpt> jamesh, https://chinstrap.warthogs.hbd.com/~dsilvers/paste/fileyYAfK6.html
[09:55] <mpt> Much of it is SVG stuff that can be ignored
[09:56] <jamesh> that email address in logintoken.py should really be in the config file ...
[09:57] <jamesh> (but I won't make you change it personally)
[09:59] <jamesh> mpt: it mostly looks okay, but I have a question about the stuff under lib/contrib/dynarch-resources
[10:00] <jamesh> mpt: is that stuff that we've imported into the tree verbatim (and so we might want to pull in new versions in the future), or is it stuff that is okay to modify?
[10:00] <mpt> jamesh, we've pulled in the minimum files to make the current menu work, in the expectation that it will be replaced with something better
[10:01] <mpt> and the CSS already has one change Steve made
[10:01] <jamesh> mpt: okay.  In that case I'm fine with the changes.
[10:01] <mpt> thanks!
[10:01] <jamesh> it'd be good to have something that doesn't break middle click, "open in new window" and similar
[10:02] <mpt> yes
[10:02] <mpt> that'll be part of why we're replacing it :-)
[10:02] <mpt> That, and windows jumping to the front whenever they finish loading
[10:03] <jamesh> also, having non-obfuscated javascript is nice :)
[10:04] <mpt> and having open-source-able JavaScript is also nice
[10:38] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: [r=jamesh]  De-aquafies the menu bar, and fixes the menu's 404 errors. Cleans up Launchpad's welcome e-mail message. Fixes bug 3273 (Confusing signup language), bug 39295 (+teamlist page has two headings), and bug 39318 (Bug listing font size is too small). (r3474: Matthew Paul Thomas)
[10:55] <mpt> jamesh, https://launchpad.net/projects/launchpad/+bugs rocks, thanks for implementing it :-)
[12:58] <highvoltage> hi there.
[12:58] <highvoltage> anyone willing to help me with starting translations for a product in launchpad?
[12:59] <highvoltage> i've imported the .po files, and chose that rosetta manages the translation
[12:59] <highvoltage> but i don't know what to do from there.
[01:02] <lifeless> jordi is your man
[01:02] <lifeless> jordi: ^^
[01:21] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: [trivial]  move milestones towards series (r3475: Mark Shuttleworth)
[02:07] <OdyX> Hey all. Wondering why I'm translating koffice, as my local version is translated... Template not updated yet ? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/koffice/+pots/koffice/fr/+translate
[02:08] <ruffneck> que ?
[02:09] <OdyX> ruffneck: koffice IS in french, but unstranslated in Launchpad...
[02:09] <OdyX> I can try to find the .po for koffice and upload it...
[02:09] <ruffneck> I'm really not sure about translation.. you translate another meaningless word to another which has no real resemblance or intention in real physical world
[02:09] <OdyX> ruffneck: ???
[02:10] <ruffneck> I can't help my mom with her windows on the phone because she has translated version I have no clue about...
[02:10] <OdyX> ruffneck: it's not at all what I'm speaking you about...
[02:10] <ruffneck> I know
[02:11] <ruffneck> please translate.. somebody likes it
[02:12] <OdyX> ruffneck: Hum... Koffice IS translated... My version here IS in french.
[02:12] <OdyX> I just want not to make the work twice.
[02:12] <ruffneck> oh..
[02:12] <OdyX> So I'm wondering if the *.po will be uploaded or if I should do it...
[02:13] <OdyX> The translation (i18nisation) IS ever made (KDE guys)... But not up2date in Launchpad.
[02:15] <OdyX> And people (like me) are beginning to translate it AGAIN => probable differences with KDE's version...
[02:15] <OdyX> and work is made twice.
[02:20] <ruffneck> hmm.. I did 2% of translation into Finnish ;P don't know if it is a good idea or not ;D
[02:20] <stub> Its not that I don't love you. It is gaim just crashing :-P
[02:20] <OdyX> ruffneck: check if Koffice is ever translated
[02:21] <OdyX> Could somebody tell me what to do that about? upload *.po from kde's svn
[02:21] <OdyX> ?
[02:33] <ruffneck> those translation will be funny when you translate sentences out of context :D
[02:34] <ruffneck> done 5% ;D
[02:34] <OdyX> ruffneck: you'd better stop... and wait for po's upload.
[02:35] <ruffneck> po's what?
[02:35] <ruffneck> po ?
[02:36] <OdyX> files with translations....
[02:36] <ruffneck> I guess they will overwrite ;P
[02:39] <OdyX> ruffneck: so why don't ya stop ?
[02:43] <cprov> good morning, dudes, someone can tell me what is wrong with pqm ? is the web UI error known ?
[02:43] <lifeless> if its multicoloured
[02:43] <stub> Hmm.. never seenn that before
[02:44] <lifeless> then someone sent a emai with invalid RFC2822 formatting in the commit message
[02:44] <lifeless> known defect
[02:44] <lifeless> its a bug in the pqm-submit plugin
[02:44] <cprov> lifeless: that was me, for sure :(
[02:44] <lifeless> always be sure to do 'bzr pqm-submit -m 'message'
[02:45] <stub> Does it clear itself after the job completes?
[02:45] <lifeless> yes
[02:45] <OdyX> So. Finally uploaded koffice.po for french.
[02:45] <stub> bzr pqm-submit... hmm... first I've heard of it.
[02:45] <stub> unknown command
[02:46] <lifeless> see the bzr plugins wiki page
[02:47] <cprov> lifeless: haven't heard about that too, using shell script yet, will look on it, thank you
[02:47] <stub> lifeless: Launchpad wiki?
[02:48] <lifeless> stub: bzr wiki!
[02:49] <cprov> lifeless: see the message (redirect to me intead of pqm) -> https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/fileCOq48C.html . What's wrong ?
[02:50] <stub> launchpad wiki still documents using the script
[02:50] <rcaskey_> howdy everyone. I was wondering, has there been any thought about having launchpad provide an openid server?
[02:50] <stub> I guess we need a designated victim as James was updating that stuff
[02:52] <ruffneck> OdyX: did I say I continued?
[02:52] <ruffneck> the translation sucks anyway.. so don't take it too seriously :P
[02:53] <OdyX> ruffneck: OK :D
[02:54] <ruffneck> I don't know how anybody can translate those lines when they are out of context. It is source for usability problems
[02:55] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: [r=bjornt]  Fixes for dak-tools and soyuz (r3476: Celso Providelo, Daniel Silverstone)
[02:55] <lifeless> cprov: related issues: bug #36022 (support full suite cmdline option for
[02:55] <lifeless> change-override), bug # 37156 (do not require component option for
[02:55] <lifeless> change-override), bug #39148 (removed unused and untested file from
[02:55] <lifeless> archivepublisher module), bug #38636 (uploader extra check on duplicated
[02:55] <lifeless> filenames), bug #39281 (swallowing spurious output from test)
[02:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36022 in qprocd "change-override can't handle pockets" [Major,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/36022
[02:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38636 in qprocd "xfce4-mixer has a different orig.tar.gz to the  one recorded in the Sources file" [Critical,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38636
[02:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39281 in launchpad "/doc/zzz-soyuz-set-of-uploads.txt system doc test extremly noisy" [Normal,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39281
[02:55] <lifeless> that stuff there
[02:55] <lifeless> cprov: its not part of the recognized pqm commands
[02:55] <lifeless> cprov: and it is part of your commit message.
[02:56] <ruffneck> it's also controversial when system should speak the user language and not developer jargon, but when refering to certain items you have to speak in exact case in order to avoid confusion
[02:56] <cprov> lifeless: uhm .. script is broken
[02:56] <ruffneck> some words or strings should never be translated
[02:57] <lifeless> commit messages to PQM must be one line only
[02:57] <ruffneck> strings of characters..
[02:58] <stub> Isn't that the subject header? The header can be split into multiple lines by mailers and relays (and combined back to a single line at the destination)
[02:59] <lifeless> stub: yes. The script has not used RFC2822 continuations
[03:01] <lifeless> if it had PQM would see a single line commit message
[03:01] <lifeless> \n in headers is an encoding tool, not a content character.
[03:02] <lifeless> because it wasn't encoded correctly, the garbage lines got considered part of the body by the first MTA.
[03:02] <lifeless> night all
[03:03] <stub> night
[03:04] <cprov> lifeless: good night and thank you
[03:41] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: [trivial]  Ensure email is sent as utf-8 encoding, not utf8, which violates RFCs (r3477: Stuart Bishop)
[03:44] <cprov> stub: ping
[04:15] <stub> cprov: pong
[04:17] <cprov> stub: didn't get your point on last message about buildd system defect, do you have any additional info ?
[04:18] <stub> cprov: No - just stating what happened and what I did. Seemed to be working afterwards.
[04:20] <cprov> stub: yes, I don't think I can do anything w/o knowing the defect, anyway, well done, thank you
[04:58] <sabdfl> stub: when are you planning that full rollout? tuesday?
[04:58] <sabdfl> tomorrow?
[04:58] <sabdfl> or still keen to defer?
[04:59] <stub> sabdfl: I was thinking Tuesday late my time. I was going to discuss it with Kiko if he came online
[04:59] <stub> Z3.2 seems solid enough to run with if we need to
[05:20] <jordi> hi!
[05:21] <jordi> hmm, late for highvoltage.
[05:34] <stub> Yo
[07:03] <OdyX> Hey all... Some questions...
[07:05] <OdyX> Canonical claims to use FLOSS, no?
[07:05] <OdyX> So what's that ? https://launchpad.net/%40%40/dynarch/hmenu.js (totally unreadable, though)
[07:06] <OdyX> Bizarre license, totally unreadable code...
[07:06] <OdyX> And I'm trying to solve (on Launchpad's side) the bug 39312, but hte work seems hard...
[07:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39312 in konqueror "BAD tab comportements in Launchpad (and others)" [Normal,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39312
[07:25] <rcaskey_> is launchpad's list of users stored in ldap or postgres?
[08:22] <zul> hi guys, is it possible to merge zulcss and zul. I dont have access to the email address for zul anymore.
[08:31] <OdyX> Could someone answer my questions, please?
[08:57] <OdyX> OK. I've made a patch to be applied to one of the .js from Launchpad...
[08:57] <OdyX> What's the name of the binary ?
[09:20] <zyga> OdyX: ?
[09:20] <zyga> OdyX: what binary
[09:20] <OdyX> I'm working on bug 39312 on Launchpad's side.
[09:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39312 in konqueror "BAD tab comportements in Launchpad (and others)" [Normal,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39312
[09:20] <OdyX> Because I hardly believe this is no konqueror bug...
[09:21] <OdyX> So I downloaded @@/dynarch/hmenu.js, beautifed it and found someting
[09:21] <OdyX> I have an indented version that should solve that bug without touching to Konqueror nor hardly to Launchpad zyga
[09:22] <zyga> OdyX: back to my question, what binary?
[09:22] <OdyX> zyga: the entry in Launchpad I should submit my version to...
[09:23] <OdyX> zyga: I mean: who should I submit my version to? certainly not on "kdebase konqueror", but then in "launchpad" ?
[09:23] <zyga> hmm, if you fixed a part of launchpad then there is none
[09:23] <OdyX> zyga: OK....
[09:23] <OdyX> So how ?
[09:24] <zyga> I don't really know how one can submit stuff to rosetta /launchpad which are not open source
[09:24] <OdyX> This is crazy, isn't it ??
[09:24] <zyga> ask carlos, he'll help you probably
[09:24] <OdyX> OK.
[09:25] <OdyX> He's not here :->
[09:26] <OdyX> what's his Launchpad name ?
[09:26] <zyga> I dont know really
[09:26] <OdyX> well...
[09:26] <zyga> he works here daily
[09:26] <OdyX> OK.
[09:26] <zyga> just wait till tomorrow I guess
[09:26] <OdyX> Let's look for a heavy karma :D
[09:28] <OdyX> OK. I will wait. Thanks for attention!
[09:28] <OdyX> OK. Found. Writing my mail.
[09:37] <kiko> ahoy hackers
[10:11] <sivang> ahoy kiko
[10:11] <kiko> hey sivan
[10:11] <zul> hey kiko
[10:11] <kiko> hey zul
[10:12] <zul> are you one of the launchpad admins? i probably emailed you already...
[10:13] <kiko> zul, ah, I saw your request from yesterday
[10:13] <zul> ok
[10:14] <kiko> zul, I'll only be able to tend to it tomorrow
[10:14] <zul> kiko: sure no problem..
[10:14] <OdyX> kiko: I have a "patch" for you..
[10:14] <kiko> OdyX, with bug number?
[10:14] <OdyX> kiko: it's on launchpad...
[10:15] <OdyX> kiko on https://launchpad.net/%40%40/dynarch/hmenu.js
[10:15] <OdyX> kiko: it would solve 39312 (and its duplicate)
[10:15] <OdyX> I have a modified (and indented) version here and it stilll works with both Konqueror and Firefox.
[10:17] <OdyX> kiko: do you find reasonnable to have a 30 kiB JS for a menu ? I find that HUGE !
[10:20] <kiko> OdyX, uhm, okay, slowly this time
[10:20] <kiko> so a) I'm not very familiar with his the JS menus work
[10:20] <kiko> b) 30kB is huge, but it's cached by the client, so we only really transfer it once
[10:20] <OdyX> kiko: I understand a) very well.... seen how big the JS is.
[10:20] <kiko> c) what does your modified version do?
[10:21] <OdyX> kiko: just avoid asking the focus.
[10:21] <kiko> asking the focus?
[10:21] <OdyX> kiko: yep... Every Launchpad page asks the focus when opened (and touched by that JS)
[10:22] <kiko> really? that's unfortunate
[10:22] <kiko> okay.
[10:22] <kiko> here's my suggestion: email mpt and stevea, CC: launchpad-users
[10:22] <OdyX> mpt and steeva ?
[10:22] <kiko> they are the ones behind the original JS and are most likely to be able to take care of your request
[10:22] <kiko> mpt and SteveA yes
[10:24] <SteveA> OdyX: hi.  that JS stuff will be entirely removed and replaced within the next few weeks
[10:25] <OdyX> SteveA: OK... That's not a bad idea I think...
[10:25] <SteveA> i agree with you about the problems with the size and its functionality
[10:25] <OdyX> SteveA: so no need for an e-mail and for last two hours identation :D
[10:25] <SteveA> basically, it's a proprietory thing that we're using as an interim measure
[10:26] <SteveA> but i'll be glad to receive your improvements to it, so long as you understand that it'll be entirely replaced soon
[10:26] <OdyX> SteveA: I was even concerned about that aspect...
[10:26] <OdyX> SteveA: no worry at all...
[10:26] <OdyX> at least I can close some bugs and improve Konqueror's user's experience with Launchpad :>
[10:27] <SteveA> cool
[10:27] <OdyX> SteveA: a little more test on Konqueror would be appreciated next time :D
[10:28] <OdyX> SteveA: and I'm disponible for beta-testing if wanted.
[10:28] <SteveA> that's great
[10:28] <SteveA> mail me, and i'll get in touch when we're working on the new thing
[10:28] <SteveA> steve at ubuntu.com
[10:28] <kiko> OdyX, when the new thing gets landed on staging, well, it's the best place to test
[10:29] <OdyX> OK! That's the things I excepted to hear!
[10:33] <OdyX> SteveA: Sent. As I now see, the comments I putted are not adapted, but the script should work "as is" in at least Konqui & Firefox.
[10:35] <SteveA> OdyX: thanks.  maybe you want to mail the author of dynarch with your fix also
[10:35] <SteveA> there's a URL in the .js file
[10:35] <OdyX> SteveA: do they pay ? :D
[10:36] <SteveA> no idea.  you can ask them ;-)
[10:37] <OdyX> I will...