[08:02] <sammyjenkins> What are the system requirements for installing Lubuntu 20.04.2 LTS?
[08:07] <guiverc> sammyjenkins has gone, but Lubuntu no longer produce minimum requirements (https://lubuntu.me/taking-a-new-direction/)
 Honestly, it is hard to find hardware on which Lubuntu does not run (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <sammyjenkins> What are the system requirements for installing Lubuntu 20.04.2 LTS?)


[00:08] <yann2> I am trying to setup an AD caching server, using kerberos and samba. The kerberos setup is done, the machine is part of the domain; how can i get samba to make it act as a domain controller? any link to a good documentation would be much appreciated
[00:10] <XiXaQ> this is cool stuff, I think :)
[00:10] <XiXaQ> never used thiese kinds of stuff before, so thiese technologies still have the new-smell. :)
[00:18] <yann2> well I think it's quite tough :/
[00:19] <XiXaQ> tough is synonymous with cool in norwegian slang :)
[00:19] <XiXaQ> have you used many similar tools before?
[00:21] <yann2> well I've used samba for file sharing :P and got kerberos to work ^^
[00:21] <yann2> else, no
[00:21] <yann2> aaactually
[00:21] <yann2> automount, I think I've done this before
[00:21] <yann2> solaris actually uses automount by default - it's a very neat setup
[00:22] <yann2> be sure to have root in /root and you should be safe - it's not uncommon
[00:23] <yann2> as far as I understood automount enables you to spread user homes accross several servers, it's nice :)
[00:36] <lukehasnoname> the irc logs are down
[00:37] <lukehasnoname> or something is wrong
[00:37] <XiXaQ> I'm not entirely clear on what kerberos really is :)
[00:38] <XiXaQ> yann2, but that sounds like a useful feature...
[00:38] <yann2> lukehasnoname > url of the irclogs?
[00:39] <yann2> lukehasnoname > depending on the bot I may be able to do something
[00:39] <yann2> http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/2008/  < this? :/
[00:39] <yann2> *opening a ticket*
[00:40] <yann2> ah no seems fine - which logs lukehasnoname ?
[00:40] <lukehasnoname> irclogs.ubuntu.com
[00:40] <XiXaQ> the thing that's catching my attention at the moment, is the limit on 16 groups per user on ldap? That limit will easily be reached if you're going to base limitations on applications on that, such as who can run system monitor, etc.
[00:41] <yann2> right that's not me :) I'm off to bed, good night
[00:41] <yann2> XiXaQ > there is a limit of 14 groupes per user on NFS v3...
[00:41] <yann2> very, very, very painful in some cases
[00:43] <XiXaQ> yann2, 14? Are you sure? I read about that just a few hours ago. I was recently certain the limit is 16?
[00:43] <yann2> I am speaking of NFS not ldap
[00:43] <yann2> could be 16 :)
[00:43] <XiXaQ> but you're right. It was NFS. :)
[00:44] <yann2> well then I can confirm, and I think that's for nfs v3 only
[00:44] <XiXaQ> oh... But the applications will be local to the system, so that's probably not too important anyway..
[00:47] <XiXaQ> I wonder how I can disallow users to run applications in their homes?
[00:48] <yann2> can't :)
[00:48] <`6og> mount with noexec for a start.
[00:48] <`6og> but ultimately, you cant
[00:48] <yann2> ah :] anyway, good night
[00:48] <`6og> yann2, aw, you beat me to it :p
[00:48] <`6og> later mate
[00:48] <XiXaQ> what does that mean?
[00:48] <XiXaQ> if I mount /home with noexec, then files on that partition can't be executed?
[00:49] <`6og> they cant be run as executables. its still posible to run shell scripts with `sh scriptname` though (iirc)
[00:52] <XiXaQ> ah.
[01:23] <paul68> can someone help me out with the following problem I have this setup isp dlink router <IP_ADDRESS> eth1 <IP_ADDRESS> server eth1 <IP_ADDRESS> linksys ap. I can ping from my laptop which is attached to my dlink towards eth1 but not able to go futher. I cannot ping from my server my laptop which has ip <IP_ADDRESS> the server is not able to access the internet either what can I do to solve this
[02:59] <teddy__> I have chosen ubuntu-server as my server distro of choice..it used to be gentoo, and centos...
[03:01] <teddy__> ubuntu-server boots faster than any server distro i have seen.  Ubuntu-server is amazingly fast on the bootup.  However many installs in ubuntu-server do not complete fully, and require a lot of wwork to get them working.
[03:13] <XiXaQ> teddy__, examples?
[11:28] <kraut> moin
[11:32] <slytherin> Hi all. I was wondering what kind of updates to java stack would people like to have on server side. Is struts update and jsf addition, something that people are interested in?
[13:17] <sidewalk> is there any way to upgrade ubuntu server with something else than do-release-upgrade?
[13:18] <Deeps> you could alter your sources.list and dist-upgrade, but it's not recommended
[13:20] <sidewalk> i want to do a upgrade remotely
[13:20] <sidewalk> and the open ports to the machine are limited
[13:23] <sidewalk> where can i find documentation on it?
[13:30] <sidewalk> no links?
[13:30] <Deeps> ubuntu homepage
[13:30] <Deeps> click on server
[13:30] <Deeps> explains how to do a command line upgrade
[13:31] <Deeps> and it can be done over ssh
[13:31] <Deeps> which requires a single tcp port, by default port 22
[13:32] <Deeps> sorry, get ubuntu has a link to 'how to upgrade'
[13:33] <sidewalk> when running that script, "do-release-upgrade" it wants to open a new ssh port, which i cannot access
[13:35]  * Deeps has a try
[13:35] <Deeps> at what stage does it ask you to open a new ssh port?
[13:35] <maswan> sidewalk: nah, it opens a new ssh port which you can connect to if something goes wrong with the normal ssh
[13:36] <Deeps> ah, a failsafe sshd, smart
[13:36] <sidewalk> therefor i would like an alternate way of upgrading
[13:36] <maswan> sidewalk: I've never had something go wrong with it, so I've never connected to that other sshd
[13:36] <sidewalk> okey
[13:36] <sidewalk> then im with you :-)
[13:37] <sidewalk> lets hope nothing goes wrong :P
[13:37] <maswan> (I've mostly just upgraded dapper->hardy though, I haven't tried intrepid yet)
[13:38]  * Deeps cancels upgrade
[13:38] <sidewalk> im doing 7.10 ow
[15:21] <lilliz[]> Hi I have a ubuntu server 6.06 on a harddisk that I had to switch to another hardware, seems to boot ok but the NICs are not operativ is there some way to add drivers for it later ?
[15:21] <lilliz[]> Its basically the same hardware except that there might be a diffrent nic
[16:13] <TwelveGauge> I'm trying to configure the DNS server for my website. I'm behind a router, do I use the local machine IP address or use my ISP IP address? Didn't have much luck using the ISP IP address.
[16:16] <Deeps> are you running the dns server on your local machine?
[16:16] <Deeps> if so, and you're behind a router/firewall/nat gateway, ensure port 53 (tcp + udp) is allowed and forwarded to the machine
[16:17] <TwelveGauge> yeah
[16:17] <TwelveGauge> they were open and forwarded but dig domain got nothing
[16:18] <TwelveGauge> configured it using my ISP adress
[16:18] <TwelveGauge> should I use the local machine IP?
[16:18] <TwelveGauge> for forwarding maybe?
[16:20] <Deeps> on the machine, do dig @localhost domain
[16:21] <Deeps> if that doesn't work, the issue isn't network related, but rather your configuration of your dns server
[16:21] <TwelveGauge> ok... thanks.
[16:22] <Deeps> if you want more detailed help, gimme the domain in question and your wan ip
[16:28] <TwelveGauge> I gotta reconfigure everything. started over from scratch since it wasn't working.
[16:28] <TwelveGauge> but thanks
[16:56] <XiXaQ> for a mailserver, what's the best way to prevent spam? Spamhaus.org is one option. Is it expensive? Are there other such services that can be used? This will be a small mail system.
[17:16] <paul68> can someone help me out with a routing problem on my server
[17:58] <zoopster> paul68: just ask a question and someone may be able to help
[20:12] <stiv2k> uhh
[20:13] <stiv2k> well, I swapped out the hard drive from my old machine into a new one
[20:13] <stiv2k> and it boots perfectly but I notice that there's no eth0 anymore
[20:13] <stiv2k> the chip is intel 82801db networking
[20:13] <stiv2k> i cant really remember how to configure networking on command line
[20:14] <stiv2k> and furthermore why its gone like that
[20:19] <stiv2k> i think the driver might be e100 im not sure
[20:35] <stiv2k> anyone???
[20:36] <ScottK> stiv2k: Is the network card eth1 now then?
[20:36] <stiv2k> no
[20:36] <stiv2k> ScottK, ifconfig only shows lo
[20:37] <stiv2k> im sure the driver is e100 btw
[20:37] <stiv2k> ScottK, im stuck, I don't know how to make it recognize the chip
[20:42] <ScottK> I'm not sure.  When I've moved hard drives it's always just worked for me.
[20:42] <stiv2k> ScottK, I think it has nothing to do w/ moving the hard drives but rather something with 8.10 and e100
[20:43] <stiv2k> http://www.trap17.com/forums/installing-drivers-ubuntu-hardy-heron-t59623.html
[20:43] <stiv2k> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/fix-for-intel-cards-with-broken-eeprom-e100-driver.html
[20:43] <stiv2k> ScottK, ^
[20:44]  * ScottK dunno.
[20:45] <stiv2k> ScottK, where can I find more information about this so it hopefully gets resolved/
[20:45] <stiv2k> ??
[20:47] <ajmitch> stiv2k: does 'ifconfig -a' show anything more?
[20:47] <stiv2k> hold
[20:47] <stiv2k> ajmitch, I swapped in another LAN card so that it works in the meantime
[20:48] <stiv2k> but the e100 is built in so
[20:48] <stiv2k> its always there
[20:48] <stiv2k> ajmitch, ifconfig -a shows it now
[20:49] <ajmitch> ok, so it's detected but the interface isn't configured & up
[20:49] <stiv2k> ajmitch, when I try to bring it up it says no such device
[20:50] <ajmitch> bringing it up with ifup, or ifconfig?
[20:50] <stiv2k> ifup
[20:50] <ajmitch> ifup only goes from configured interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces
[20:50] <stiv2k> ajmitch, what do you suggest
[20:51]  * ajmitch can't recall if udev still has a list of mac-device name mappigns
[20:52] <ajmitch> but you could just put in the appropriate interface entry with whatever its new device name is in /etc/network/interfaces & bring it up
[20:52]  * ajmitch hasn't had to reconfigure networking for a few releases
[20:53] <stiv2k> ajmitch, i tried that
[20:53] <stiv2k> hold
[20:54] <stiv2k> wtf!!!
[20:55] <ajmitch> something's working now?
[20:55] <stiv2k> um
[20:56] <stiv2k> i dont think so
[20:56] <stiv2k> i configured eth1 to be exactly like eth0
[20:56] <stiv2k> then I said ifup eth1
[20:56] <stiv2k> and changed the network cable over to that device
[20:56] <stiv2k> From <IP_ADDRESS> icmp_seq=30 Destination Host Unreachable
[20:56] <stiv2k> and by configured I mean I configured it to be static ip
[20:57] <ajmitch> if they're exactly the same, with the same IP address & both interfaces up,  you'll have problems
[20:57] <stiv2k> well only one of them is connected to the network
[20:57] <stiv2k> does it still matter?
[20:57] <stiv2k> should I make the ip different then
[20:57] <ajmitch> it'd help
[20:57] <stiv2k> alright
[20:59] <stiv2k> ok
[20:59] <stiv2k> now they are both connected to the network
[20:59] <stiv2k> on different ips
[21:00] <stiv2k> if I ping the one that's known to work...
[21:00] <stiv2k> http://stiv2k.info/phpsysinfo/
[21:00] <stiv2k> oops
[21:00] <stiv2k> 64 bytes from <IP_ADDRESS>: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.973 ms
[21:00] <stiv2k> and the other one (eth1)
[21:00] <stiv2k> From <IP_ADDRESS> icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable
[21:00] <stiv2k> ajmitch, so it doesn't seem to be working at all


[15:54]  * mpt starts on "Online Accounts" phone settings design
[16:00] <snwh> mpt, I have a question: what sort of accounts would be "offline accounts"?
[16:01] <mpt> snwh, the kind you use to log in to Ubuntu itself.
[16:01] <mpt> But since the phone won't have those (at least to start with), I think the first version of Online Accounts can be called just "Accounts". :-)
[16:02] <snwh> my thoughts exactly
[18:32] <mpt> ...Online Accounts done: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OnlineAccounts#phone-settings
[18:41] <snwh> mpt are all the wiki pages for all the phone settings separate?
[18:41] <mpt> snwh, they're all linked from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemSettings
[18:42] <snwh> okay cool
[19:03] <mpt> Tomorrow: Security & Privacy. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityAndPrivacySettings#Phone
[22:06] <xnox> mpt: I wish all "designy" wiki-pages were added to a common "WikiCategory" to get automatic index of them all.
[22:06]  * xnox sometimes fails to find them when searching


[02:07] <xtalmath> Hi, not sure if this is the right place to ask, I want my application to generate a system wide dialog prompt, so the user can not switch to a browser (its for productivity software). what library or system call do I need? I assume I will be using C++
[02:08] <xtalmath> i.e. the user needs to process the prompt dialog, to enjoy freedom again
[09:13] <greyback> davmor2: hey, could you move the QA testing card for silo27 to be unblocked? All branches are approved now
[09:28] <davmor2> greyback: thanks
[12:37] <dandrader> so lp:unity8/overlay is not being used anymore?
[12:37] <dandrader> mzanetti, ^
[12:46] <mzanetti> dandrader, yes it is
[12:47] <greyback> mzanetti: are we not dual landing? How does overlay branch fit in now?
[12:47] <mzanetti> greyback, yes, dual landing... just using overlay branch still
[12:47] <mzanetti> reason is that overlay branch has jenkins running for vivid+overlay
[12:48] <greyback> ah
[12:48] <mzanetti> we asked CI to move that to trunk, but afaik that didn't happen yet
[12:48] <greyback> so we target MPs to ...?
[12:48] <mzanetti> overlay
[12:48] <greyback> ok
[12:48] <mzanetti> I'll merge them to trunk after it landed
[12:48] <greyback> dandrader: sorry, my bad
[12:49] <mzanetti> note that landing only means building packages and merge to the branch they are targetted to
[12:49] <mzanetti> dual-landing means build packages for both distros, still merges the code to the branch it is targetted
[12:49] <mzanetti> lanidng doesn't care about the branch name
[12:51] <greyback> mzanetti: sure, I just thought we abandoned the '2 trunks' idea
[12:51] <mzanetti> we kinda did... using only overlay atm :D
[12:52] <mzanetti> I hope we'll get CI running on trunk soon and can drop that
[12:53] <pstolowski> mzanetti, hey, still fighting with silo 4. all the projects except for unity-scopes-shell are now dual-landable, because of that i think the only way around it is to set the silo to 'wily' only, and then when it lands, make another silo for vivid overlay where all the stuff is just binary-synced from wily, but shell plugin has a separate MP. i just talked to sil2100 and this is possible with current infra
[12:54] <pstolowski> mzanetti, any objections/ideas?
[12:54] <mzanetti> in general, yes, I object the idea to land to wily only
[12:54] <mzanetti> but if there's no way out... dunno.... hate this mess
[12:55] <mzanetti> why can't we dual land unity-scopes-shell?
[12:55] <mzanetti> I mean... we should fix that really
[12:55] <pstolowski> mzanetti, because of different symbols files
[12:55] <mzanetti> not really sure what that means tbh :D
[12:55] <pstolowski> mzanetti, that's fixable, though a lot of work around debian packaging which i don't really understand tbh...
[12:56] <mzanetti> the packages are built twice
[12:56] <mzanetti> so the symbols in the libs should be fine
[12:56] <pstolowski> mzanetti, c++ symbols are different with gcc4.9 and gcc5
[12:56] <greyback> lots of people in theory should have this same issue
[12:56] <pstolowski> mzanetti, no, because symbols file live in the source tree
[12:56] <mzanetti> sure... but dual landing builds two packages
[12:56] <pstolowski> mzanetti, so they were re-generated for wily
[12:57] <pstolowski> greyback, only affects libs and plugins
[12:57] <greyback> alan_g: how is mir dealing with different symbols between vivid+overlay & wily?
[12:58] <alan_g> greyback: it isn't
[12:58] <mzanetti> first time I see such a symbol file as part of the packaging
[12:58] <pstolowski> mzanetti, look at debian/*symbols in any lib package
[12:58] <mzanetti> yeah... that's what I'm doing
[12:59] <mzanetti> not sure what this is good for tho
[13:00] <mzanetti> pstolowski, can't we land this first and the the other branches? or the other way round?
[13:00] <pstolowski> mzanetti, it should prevent unexpected abi breakages. in theory. in practice it's far from perfect, but lack of symbols raises red flag whenever you try to land something ;)
[13:00] <pstolowski> mzanetti, sorry, what do you mean?
[13:00] <alan_g> mir ensures that wily packages supersede vivid (non-overlay) ones and we don't try to deal with folks with "a random ppa" confusing things
[13:02] <pstolowski> mzanetti, everything needs to land together because of the magic version number of unity-api which we bump, and both unity8 and unity-plugin-scopes depend on the extact number
[13:02] <mzanetti> pstolowski, well, I know if saviq would be here he'd say fix the symbols file
[13:03] <mzanetti> this is gonna be hitting us all the time again if we don't fix it
[13:03] <pstolowski> mzanetti, fair point
[13:06] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: pstolowski: wasn't there some plan to have an "overlay repo" with just the debian folder to build for a different release (vivid/wily) ?
[13:06] <mzanetti> sil2100 said something like this. don't think it actually happened. not sure...
[13:08] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, i've never heard of that
[13:08] <greyback> alternative method was mentined in the ML, to tag the symbols
[13:09] <pstolowski> greyback, interesting, do you have a pointer to the ML?
[13:12] <tsdgeos> tedg: any progress on the fd leaking? any help i can provide?
[13:13] <tedg> tsdgeos: Progress, but nothing to report. It is kinda weird. :-/
[13:13] <tsdgeos> :/
[13:13] <tedg> tsdgeos: Trying to get a minimal viable breakage to see what is wrong.
[13:37] <mzanetti> dandrader, hey, about the mail I wrote, regardingt he assertion in the DDA
[13:38] <dandrader> mzanetti, haven't looked into it yet
[13:38] <mzanetti> ah ok. no worries
[14:34] <Saviq> pstolowski, there isn't a special branch for unity-api as lp:unity-api/trunk-15.04 was just ahead of lp:unity-api
[14:34] <Saviq> pstolowski, so it's a simple push from /trunk-15.04 to lp:unity-api
[14:35] <pstolowski> Saviq, i'm not sure what are you referring to? in any case both should be the same now, I updated lp:unity-api yesterday
[14:35] <Saviq> pstolowski, I'm just in from vacation, so replying to pings that happened throughout the week...
[14:36]  * Saviq reads up on the symbols issue
[14:36] <pstolowski> mzanetti, Saviq i may have a solution for unity-scopes-shell build from single tree
[14:37] <mzanetti> nice
[14:37] <pstolowski> mzanetti, Saviq following what michi did in unity-scopes-api/singletree, only simpler because the plugin is simpler
[14:37] <pstolowski> we will see if distro guys like it.. :/
[14:38] <Saviq> pstolowski, mzanetti, if there's reasons to keep two branches, fine by me, as long as there is a reason, and they're both landed as close to one another as possible
[14:38] <pstolowski> Saviq, the only reason is symbols really, no diff in features
[14:38] <Saviq> pstolowski, mzanetti, so that the two-branch issue does not go viral (as it did because of gcc5)
[14:41] <Saviq> pstolowski, about CI for unity-api, what we should have is have it run on both wily and vivid+o
[14:42] <Saviq> pstolowski, but since vivid+o is the more important target now, I'd say we should switch to that if we can't have both
[14:42] <Saviq> still need to talk to ci folk about that
[14:42] <mterry> I think old tags got into lp:unity8/overlay again
[14:42] <Saviq> is /overlay alive still?
[14:42] <pstolowski> Saviq, ok, makes sense. i didn't know the former is even possible
[14:42] <mterry> (they are not in lp:unity8
[14:42] <Saviq> if silo 14 landed, /overlay should be killed with fire
[14:42] <mterry> Saviq, mzanetti: guh, ok.  I thought we were still using it
[14:42] <tsdgeos> Saviq: noooooo, it's the only place we get proper CI :D
[14:43] <tsdgeos> mterry: something's up with the .po files in your MR
[14:43] <tedg> tsdgeos: Okay, I think that branch cleans up the FD now. At least it does in my tests :-)
[14:43] <mterry> tsdgeos, yeah I accidentally branched from lp:unity8, proposed into overlay
[14:43] <mterry> tsdgeos, I set it to WIP while I clean up
[14:43] <Saviq> tsdgeos, should be easy to switch that onto trunk, I'll try and find out what can be done this afternoon
[14:44] <tsdgeos> tedg: cool, want me to try it up?
[14:44] <tedg> tsdgeos: Yes please
[14:44] <tsdgeos> tedg: https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/ubuntu-app-launch/lp1495871-unref-context ?
[14:46] <tedg> tsdgeos: si
[14:51] <mzanetti> Saviq, well. that would kill our jenkins runs
[14:51] <mzanetti> Saviq, but yes, once jenkins is fixed, definitely kill that branch
[14:52] <mzanetti> Saviq, note, there's one silo waiting for QA which targets overlay still (dual landed tho)
[14:52] <Saviq> mzanetti, there's no jenkins runs on trunk? or you mean they're for wily and not vivid+o?
[14:52] <mzanetti> the latter
[14:52] <Saviq> mzanetti, kk, so once that lands we can kill, I'll try and sort out CI before then
[14:52] <mzanetti> ta
[15:12] <mterry> ltinkl, I filed bug 1496436
[15:16] <ltinkl> mterry, ye thx
[15:22] <mterry> ltinkl, is it possible to put lp:~mterry/unity8/tutorial-redesign in your OOBE silo for design?
[15:22] <tsdgeos> tedg: seems to fix it for me :)
[15:22] <mterry> ltinkl, it's a very rough cut of the redesign, but she asked if she could see it as is
[15:24] <ltinkl> mterry, I can't personally (not being on the approved list) but you could ask mzanetti/greyback
[15:25] <ltinkl> mterry, good idea definitely
[15:26] <mzanetti> mterry, on it
[15:26] <mzanetti> mterry, need an MP
[15:26] <mzanetti> can be WIP tho
[15:26] <greyback> I'm starting to think we shouldn't be using silos for demoing stuff to designers
[15:27] <mzanetti> I think that was one of the goals of the whole thing
[15:27] <mzanetti> the plan was even that it spits out ready-to-flash images just for this purpose
[15:27] <greyback> I'd be ok with a non-landing silo system for that kind of thing
[15:27] <mzanetti> well, testing/deming in general, not just with designers
[15:27] <greyback> but I don't want to start using up landing silos on teams who need them
[15:33] <tedg> tsdgeos: \o/
[15:34] <Saviq> greyback, that's the airline plan all along, with ephemeral on-demand PPAs
[15:34] <greyback> Saviq: sure, but we're still on the train :)
[15:39] <Saviq> greyback, there's quite a bit of cars these days though (like 40 or something?)
[15:39] <kgunn> and they do tell us to clean when it gets tight
[15:39] <Saviq> looks more like 60 these days
[15:39] <Saviq> but...
[15:40] <Saviq> 55 assigned
[15:43] <greyback> Sure. I'm just wary of taking more than our fair share, whatever that is
[16:30] <mterry> mzanetti, whoops, went to lunch.  Here's an MP: https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/tutorial-redesign/+merge/271342
[16:31] <mzanetti> mterry, ack, will add it
[20:37] <dandrader> mterry, are you familiar with unity8-desktop-session-mir package?
[20:37] <mterry> dandrader, yeah...
[20:38] <mterry> installs u-s-c as I recall
[20:39] <dandrader> mterry, I installed in wily. when I use it, it's all black and unity8.log shows "QXcbConnection: Could not connect to display"
[20:39] <mterry> dandrader, humph
[20:39] <dandrader> mterry, to clealy the environment is wrong
[20:39] <mterry> dandrader, I haven't tested it myself recently
[20:39] <dandrader> s/to/so
[20:39] <dandrader> but it works fine on vivid+overlay
[20:39] <dandrader> I wonder if there are any differences
[20:39] <dandrader> between the two
[20:40] <dandrader> mterry, does it use /usr/share/upstart/sessions/unity8.conf like on the phone? even though desktop is now systemd
[20:42] <mterry> dandrader, the package works fine on vivid+overlay?  the way I remember it, it installs a couple packages (like u-s-c) and a config file to set up lightdm to use it
[20:43] <dandrader> mterry, yes
[20:43] <dandrader> mterry, have been using it for a while now
[20:44] <mterry> dandrader, looks like it installs a whole new desktop session.  Uses /usr/share/lightdm/sessions/unity8-mir.desktop
[20:45] <dandrader> mterry, I thought you were the author of this package :)
[20:45] <mterry> dandrader, it's been a long time!
[20:46] <mterry> dandrader, actually, I'm not even in the debian changelog...  Was trying to see the last time I touched it
[20:47] <dandrader> mterry, so, the question is: where's the place that sets the environment where unity8 runs?
[20:47] <dandrader> mterry, I'm totally lost in this lightdm world...
[20:47] <mterry> dandrader, /usr/bin/lightdm-unity8-session is installed by that package and looks like it does some setup
[20:50] <dandrader> "If no X server is available" <- this blows my mind. what the heck xserver has to do with unity8 and mir....
[20:50] <dandrader> and the environment it sets there is for client apps.....
[20:52] <dandrader> but then, it's the same in vivid...
[21:16] <dandrader> mterry, well... now it decided to work... go figure
[21:17] <mterry> dandrader, huh
[22:13] <xtalmath> suppose I want to generate a system wide dialog prompt, to force me to handle some priority, how do I generate this? which permissions will the application need? i.e. something similar to the password prompt, but I'd like to have a different window/dialog appear...
[22:39] <xtalmath> Im trying to make a productivity manager, that stops me from using the computer after a timeout, unless I get back to the planned schedule


[00:44] <c_smith> soooo I  honestly forget, but was there a Ubuntu Gnome development channel, like #ubuntu+1 for Ubuntu with Unity?
[02:10] <jbicha> c_smith: you found it!
[02:10] <c_smith> jbicha: cool
[02:11] <c_smith> so I have a question about the development version, then: is gnome 3.24 planned to be part of it or at least available in gnome3-staging or similar?
[02:12] <jbicha> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZestyZapus/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuGNOME#Highlights
[02:13] <jbicha> (yes, 17.04 will have GNOME 3.24)
[02:13] <c_smith> man, that's the page I've been looking for all afternoon!
[02:13] <c_smith> my google-fu skills failed me!
[02:13] <c_smith> XD
[02:14] <c_smith> tbh I was gonna install Ubuntu Gnome 17.04 shortly either way, but what I was gonna do with the release version depended on what version of gnome was being targeted.
[02:14] <jbicha> now you can answer the guy who's been asking on the mailing list ;)
[02:14] <c_smith> jbicha: that was me. XD
[02:15] <c_smith> did that email send more than once?
[02:15] <c_smith> cause if it did, I need to see what caused that...
[02:15] <jbicha> no, just one, I was kidding :)
[02:15] <c_smith> ah, alright
[02:15] <c_smith> had me worried that Google was doing yet another shady thing. XD
[02:15] <jbicha> it's possible someone reading the list has the same question you did though so answering might still be helpful
[02:15] <c_smith> will do.
[02:18] <c_smith> sent a short email with the answer.
[02:18] <c_smith> now we have something to reference for similar questions. :D
[05:02] <InventorTechie> Hello ;-)
[05:28] <InventorTechie> Hello ;-) new fan of Ubuntu-Gnome here.
[05:31] <InventorTechie> Anyone awake?
[09:39] <InventorTechie> hullo
[16:40] <jaes> holà !
[16:41] <jaes> does anyone now the gnome's version for ubuntu-gnome 17.04 ?
[16:41] <jaes> or when the 3.24 will make it to the distrib ?
[18:11] <jbicha> jaes: hi, 17.04 will use 3.24: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZestyZapus/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuGNOME
[18:31] <jaes> jbicha: thanks !
[18:32] <jaes> is there a mailing list (or better a good ol' rss feed) i could suscribe to to have this kind of update ?
[19:12] <jbicha> there is a list but it doesn't really announce things like that exactly
[19:12] <jbicha> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome
[19:14] <jbicha> not an rss feed, but each packages has a page like https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell
[19:32] <jbicha> Ubuntu news sites also report about the Ubuntu GNOME beta's
[19:32] <jaes> thanks, I'll look into that
[19:33] <jaes> and maybe with a filter on my rss reader, it'll do the trick
[19:59] <InventorTechie> Hello
[20:36] <InventorTechie> Is everyone offline, or am I just missing messages somehow?
[20:36] <InventorTechie> Sent out an email to the Ubuntu Gnome mailing list just now. Not sure all who is attached to it ;-)
[20:40] <jbicha> InventorTechie: hi
[20:41] <jbicha> there is a redesign of ubuntugnome.org in progress, I expect one of the people working on it will reply to your email
[20:42] <InventorTechie> Excellent. Curious to know how far along that is. If it's just a mockup or being implemented yet. Either way, I can help out.
[20:42] <jbicha> historically, Ubuntu GNOME hasn't had much UI work itself, leaving most of that to be done in upstream projects like GNOME itself
[20:42] <jbicha> there was a proposal earlier to have a custom gtk or icon theme (that's a lot of work!) but that hasn't happened yet
[20:42] <InventorTechie> Understood. Has there been any discussions about Ubuntu-Gnome specific applications that could be created, or any need for it?
[20:44] <InventorTechie> Heck ya, icons would be a lot of work, no doubt about it. Might be able to partner up with some other theme developers who have a nice icon set that they could contribute. Always a potential route, saving the need to create everything from scratch. I've come across some nice options out there.
[20:46] <jbicha> I don't know of any need for Ubuntu GNOME specific apps, generally apps are useful for other distros too
[20:46] <jbicha> but if you think of something, you're welcome to propose it
[20:46] <InventorTechie> Has anyone ever paid any attention to this project -> http://papyros.io/ , I believe it's dead, or at least hasn't had any updates in over a year but I found it to be quite interesting.
[20:49] <InventorTechie> It's a material design aim, on top of Arch. The thought crossed my mind, about maybe contributing, but I can't seem to get ahold of anyone from there. Anyway, it's a nice concept. Google Material design is quite sophisticated, and when you consider the fact that 86% of the worlds phones/tablets are running Android, they've created an edge that can be built
[20:49] <InventorTechie> off of for other systems who follow. Provides shorter learning curves for new users who have familiarity with the material design UX on their other devices.
[20:49] <InventorTechie> Food 4 thought.
[20:50] <InventorTechie> Not sure if it's applicable, but a Custom Ubuntu Gnome theme, might serve well ;-)
[20:51] <InventorTechie> I won't expand too much on that already, but, there are a lot of pre-existing resources and assets that fall in line with material design, so to your earlier point, it would save from having to create an icon set fully from scratch.
[22:28] <InventorTechie> Is the Slack channel pretty active for this group?


[17:57] <DomH> date -u
[20:07] <somaunn> hello everyone
[21:16] <shriven> wondering if anyone in here may be able to answer a simple packaging question?
[21:17] <persia> shriven, Try asking in #ubuntu-motu: that's usually the best channel for interactive questions about packaging.
[21:17] <shriven> great, thanks


[00:17] <niemeyer> hazmat: Yo!
[01:08] <hazmat> niemeyer, pong
[01:24] <_mup_> Bug #826498 was filed: virtualbox machine provider for osx local dev <Ensemble:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/826498 >
[13:46] <hazmat> g'morning
[13:46] <hazmat> i guess i'm on point
[14:37] <niemeyer> Hello everyone!
[14:49] <jimbaker> niemeyer, hi
[14:49] <niemeyer> jimbaker: Hey man
[14:55]  * kim0 pushing an ensemble mongodb cluster screencast in an hour
[14:57] <niemeyer> kim0: Where?
[14:57] <kim0> I'm still uploading :)
[14:57] <kim0> will hit the usual places
[14:58] <kim0> figuring out if replication was actually working, was way much harder than deploying with ensemble hehe :)
[15:10] <niemeyer> kim0: Ah, cool
[15:26] <niemeyer> robbiew: ping
[15:28] <robbiew> niemeyer: pong
[15:28] <niemeyer> robbiew: Hey there
[15:29] <niemeyer> robbiew: Had a good trip back home? ;-)
[15:29] <niemeyer> robbiew: Quick pvt question
[18:41] <hazmat> niemeyer, it looks like the kanban is stale again
[18:41] <hazmat> niemeyer, also i've been brainstorming on our workflow and tooling, i think we might be able to use a bzr plugin to some good effect to solve some of our workflow issues
[18:43] <niemeyer> hazmat: Use http://people.canonical.com/~niemeyer/dublin.html, I didn't stop it given the number of recent issues we've had
[18:43] <niemeyer> We should really put Eureka in place, though
[18:43] <fwereade> hey all
[18:43] <niemeyer> fwereade!
[18:43] <hazmat> niemeyer, sounds good re eureka
[18:44] <niemeyer> fwereade: Made it home safely?
[18:44] <fwereade> niemeyer: yeah, all good :)
[18:44] <niemeyer> Great to hear
[18:44] <fwereade> niemeyer: great to be ;)
[18:44] <hazmat> fwereade, great.. that travel sounded hard
[18:44] <fwereade> hazmat: well, worse things happen at sea ;)
[18:46] <fwereade> niemeyer: while travelling I got lp:~fwereade/ensemble/hide-instances basically reverted
[18:46] <fwereade> I need to do some live verification now I have a connection again
[18:47] <fwereade> but if it works -- and the UI is no worse than before -- will that be ok to merge?
[18:47] <niemeyer> fwereade: Ok.. please take a careful time with this branch and reevaluate whether the issues there are all fixed
[18:47] <niemeyer> fwereade: As Kapil pointed out, the UI is worse than before
[18:47] <niemeyer> fwereade: "Machine not found" after a bootstrap is senseless to a user
[18:49] <fwereade> niemeyer: I think that's been dealt with, but I'll reverify everything
[18:49] <niemeyer> fwereade: Sounds good
[18:49] <fwereade> niemeyer: and mark it "needs review" again when I'm done
[18:50] <niemeyer> fwereade: Please try it in a few real interactions
[18:50] <niemeyer> fwereade: Try e.g. ensemble status several times right after ensemble bootstrap
[18:50] <fwereade> niemeyer: I have been, it was a surprising real interaction that led me to back stuff out
[18:51] <niemeyer> fwereade: That's cool then.. I'm all for less code as you know :)
[18:51] <fwereade> 2011-08-15 20:51:29,795 ERROR Ensemble environment is not accessible: machine i-d1e8bdb0 has no address assigned yet
[18:52] <fwereade> tolerable?
[18:52] <fwereade> human-readable intro, machine specification for those who need to know
[18:53] <fwereade> (that's the only change; I'm pretty sure we can do better, but that'll come in another branch when I generalise it to cobbler)
[19:04] <niemeyer> fwereade: That's beautiful IMO
[19:05] <fwereade> niemeyer: cool -- I'll check everything else, but that was the specfic really bad bit (it certainly beats "NoneType has no attribute 'groups'") ;)
[19:06] <niemeyer> fwereade: LOL.. I can agree with that
[19:36] <fwereade>  niemeyer: ok, it's back on "needs review", but I can't seems to ask for another from you... it thinks you've already approved it
[19:36] <niemeyer> fwereade: Sounds great, thanks!
[19:36] <fwereade> niemeyer: a pleasure :)
[19:44] <fwereade> right, that's definitely it for me today
[19:44] <fwereade> nn all :)
[20:01] <niemeyer> jimbaker: ping
[20:35] <niemeyer> jimbaker: ping?
[20:48] <SpamapS> adam_g: reading your openstack deploy stuff with glee.. looks pretty cool
[20:55] <niemeyer> SpamapS: So, I've heard we are getting ftests automated?  Do you know something about that? :-)
[20:58] <adam_g> SpamapS: cool, thanks
[21:01] <adam_g> niemeyer: if by ftests you mean formula tests, james came up with a cool way of testing and aggregating results back to jenkins via a "tester" formula.
[21:05] <niemeyer> adam_g: It was actually about "functional tests"
[21:05] <niemeyer> adam_g: We have some interesting logic in the tree already that runs a real deployment against EC2 and performs checks against it
[21:05] <niemeyer> adam_g: It's pretty ineffective at the moment, though, because we don't really run the tests
[21:06] <niemeyer> adam_g: It'd be awesome to have these tests being run on every commit to trunk, to ensure ensemble works for real at all times
[21:06] <niemeyer> adam_g: and then enhance those tests
[21:06] <adam_g> niemeyer: ah, gotcha.
[21:06] <niemeyer> Also makes a lot of sense in that final runway towards 11.10
[21:24] <jimbaker> niemeyer, hi
[21:25] <niemeyer> jimbaker: Hi.. we have to talk about tasks for the next couple of months, but I can't do that right now unfortunately.  Let's talk tomorrow.
[21:25] <jimbaker> niemeyer, sounds good
[21:27] <niemeyer> I'll step out for now..
[22:56] <_mup_> ensemble/pythonpath-fix-bug-816264 r305 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:56] <_mup_> update injection of ENSEMBLE_PYTHON_PATH per review
[23:01] <_mup_> ensemble/trunk r312 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:01] <_mup_> merge python-path-fix-bug-816264 [r=niemeyer,jimbaker][f=816264]
[23:01] <_mup_> Avoid setting PYTHONPATH when executing hooks, as it can have
[23:01] <_mup_> side-effects on hook execution. Per the bug report mod-wsgi pkg
[23:01] <_mup_> install was a reproducable error on natty).
[23:01] <_mup_> Instead utilize ENSEMBLE_PYTHONPATH environment variable and some shim
[23:01] <_mup_> code in each hook CLI-API to support development scenarios where the
[23:01] <_mup_> PYTHONPATH is needed for the CLI-API.
[23:15] <hazmat> that's odd using --fixes=lp:bug_num when committing a branch merge adds a link to the bug against trunk
[23:16] <hazmat> i thought it was supposed to just close the bug..
[23:18] <hazmat> hmm. ic, i was using it incorrectly.. it has to be used on the branch to be merged, and then it creates the bug-branch link


[07:11] <calcmandan-tab> i have an severely out of date server on 15.04 and looking for directions of updating severely eol ersions. can someone kindly send me a url?
[07:54] <lotuspsychje> calcmandan-tab: is that a test server or production?
[08:03] <calcmandan-tab> foud it
[08:03] <calcmandan-tab> found it
[08:03] <calcmandan-tab> fingers crossed i don't hose my server
[08:04] <lotuspsychje> calcmandan-tab: a lot of security flaws have been released since 15.04 are you sure you take the risk of eolupgrade?
[08:05] <calcmandan-tab> lotuspsychje: not sure what the risk is
[08:06] <lotuspsychje> calcmandan-tab: were your servers connected to internet or offline use?
[08:06] <calcmandan-tab> both
[08:06] <calcmandan-tab> but not critical
[08:06] <lotuspsychje> !usn | calcmandan-tab security risks
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> calcmandan-tab: if its for production use, id really reccomend fresh install to be sure your server isnt compromized
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> maybe its not, but why take the risk right?
[08:07] <calcmandan-tab> i did a major scan of the server and i have strong egress rules on the firewall
[08:07] <calcmandan-tab> i also reviewed its logs
[08:08] <calcmandan-tab> firewall and proxy logs
[08:08] <lotuspsychje> calcmandan-tab: ok then if you know what youre doing :p
[08:32] <cpaelzer> jamespage: did your issue with OVS 2.12 resolve?
[09:11] <Aison> hello, can I disable the network-manager.service, when I do not use the /etc/network/interfaces facility? is it enough to keep just systemd-networkd.service enabled?
[09:24] <lordievader> Aison:  You mention three different methods of configuring network interfaces here. What do you actually use?
[09:24] <calcmandan-tab> lotuspsychje: thanks for your help earlier.
[09:25] <lotuspsychje> calcmandan-tab: welcome mate
[09:25] <calcmandan-tab> lotuspsychje: i'm taking your advice as it'll be much quicker to go fresh
[09:25] <calcmandan-tab> lotuspsychje: and cleaner
[09:25] <lotuspsychje> +1 nice choice calcmandan-tab
[09:26] <calcmandan-tab> night
[09:26] <calcmandan-tab> take care
[09:26] <Aison> lordievader, i'm only using the systemd facility
[09:27] <lordievader> In that case NetworkManager and ifupdown (`/etc/network/interfaces`) can safely be disabled.
[09:27] <Aison> so I placed config files into /etc/systemd/network
[09:27] <lordievader> Do make sure the `systemd-networkd` service is enabled and running.
[09:28] <lordievader> If you are able to, reboot at least once to check if the configuration is reboot-proof.
[09:28] <Aison> ok
[09:28] <Aison> I just wonder, why networkmanager replaced my reslov.conf by an empty file (except containing # Generated by NetworkManager)
[09:29] <lordievader> Because it likes to control it with information either from DHCP or manually supplied.
[09:29] <lordievader> If you are doing this remote, make sure you have some backup method of access (IPMI).
[09:31] <Aison> the funny thing is, altough resolv.conf has no nameserver defined, nslookup, dig, etc... is still working.
[09:31] <Aison> is automatically the localhost used if there is no nameserver defined? because i'm running bind on this machine
[09:31] <lordievader> The DNS was designed this way.
[09:32] <lordievader> As a way to push over people to the DNS (instead of the hosts file) the fall-back default would be localhost.
[09:35] <Aison> lordievader, ok, thx :-) /etc/network/interfaces is read by the network-manager.service or are these two different facilities?
[09:36] <lordievader> NetworkManager only reads that file to figure out which interfaces are managed by ifupdown, furthermore it does its own thing. NetworkManager is not configured through `/etc/network/interfaces`.
[09:44] <Aison> brb, reboot server :-D
[09:47] <Aison> lordievader, ok, everything works fine without network-manager.service ^^
[10:02] <lordievader> Good to hear
[10:59] <Aison> argh, why is mariadb logging everything...  just deleted a 500gb log file
[11:03] <Aison> oh, somehow general-log was enabled....
[13:32] <hallyn> cpaelzer: yeah, so qemu supported virtio-scsi-blk, but the eoan server livecd couldn't find the disk :(
[13:32] <hallyn> i'm being lazy - haven't looked at the available kernel modules yet
[13:33] <hallyn> jamespage: cpaelzer mentioned that rharper had suggested you switch to virtio-scsi, did you do so, and did you have any troubles?
[13:44] <hallyn> oh you know what - never mind,
[13:44] <hallyn> i using the $(*&^&(*#&$(*#&$(* "improved" qemu command line wrong
[13:45] <hallyn> man i hate the -device crap.  and now, apparently, you have to use *3* pairs of arguments for one stinking drive.  lovely
[13:45] <hallyn> but, it's working :)  now to test discard
[13:46] <cpaelzer> IMHO the cmdline no more is meant to be a human interface
[13:46] <cpaelzer> more for machine generated strings
[13:47] <cpaelzer> I happen to use the most outdated (but easy to remember) arguments as well every now and then
[13:47] <hallyn> yeah...
[13:49] <hallyn> i bet there's a front-end out there that parses easier to remember cmdline to qemu cmdline :)  maybe i'll turn my 'kvm' script into one
[13:50] <hallyn> "-virtio-scsi-drive x.qcow2" -> if=none,id=hd,file=x.qcow2,format=qcow2 -device virtio-scsi-pci,id=scsi --enable-kvm -device scsi-hd,drive=hd
[13:50] <hallyn> meh
[14:23] <rharper> hallyn: just wait till you start allocating io-threads to each of your devices =)
[14:30] <hallyn> rharper: i've always assumed this was all jsut an attempt to force us to use libvirt :)
[14:35] <rharper> hallyn: heh, no, that was when they stopped allowing folks to query features via the cli; wanted folks to use qmp to "discover" features;
[14:36] <rharper> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qemu/+bug/1716028
[14:36] <hallyn> half-lol :)
[17:19] <hallyn> rharper: so - all that, and discard is not working for me!  hm.
[17:29] <hallyn> ok, so i see - it doesn't shrink the file of hte qcow file, but it re-uses the discarded space (so create 1G, rm 1G, create 1g  doesn't take up 2 G)
[17:29] <hallyn> "could be worse"
[17:30] <sarnold> it could also be better.. if those bits on disk really aren't needed it'd be nice to zero em out for rebalancing :(
[17:40] <lordcirth> sarnold, as a one-off, you can use qemu-img convert to produce a shrunk file
[17:41] <sarnold> lordcirth: yeah.. bummer that it takes that kind of effort though :( if the vm actually went to the effort to issue a discard call, that information is already sitting there..
[17:52] <rharper> hallyn: what's your cli look like ?
[17:53] <hallyn> kvm -drive if=none,id=hd,file=x.qcow2,format=qcow2 -device virtio-scsi-pci,id=scsi --enable-kvm -device scsi-hd,drive=hd  -m 4096 -drive if=none,id=hd2,file=y.qcow2,format=qcow2 -device scsi-hd,drive=hd2
[17:53] <hallyn> rharper: ^
[17:56] <compdoc> I started using raw
[17:57] <rharper>  you need:  -drive if=none,id-hd,file=x.qcow2,format=qcow2,discard=unmap,detect-zeroes=unmap
[17:57] <rharper> and you're running fstrim in guest and checking on host afterward ?
[17:58] <rharper> well, at least the discard=unmap; I've not yet tested the detect-zeroes either, but I suspect that may be helpful for guests which zero block space
[18:01] <hallyn> i thought about detect-zeroes, but my reading of the manpages suggested that all of that would default to what i wanted
[18:01] <hallyn> oh, maybe not - maybe htat was seen as too much perf impact?
[18:01] <hallyn> yeah, running fstrim in guest then checking host
[18:07] <rharper> hallyn: which version of qemu ?
[18:12] <rharper> hallyn: I would try being explicit; I see some references to enabling discard by default, but the man pages don't indicate the default discard mode on -blockdev or -drive, or if the defaults are the same;  =(
[18:32] <hallyn> rharper: QEMU emulator version 4.0.0 (Debian 1:4.0+dfsg-0ubuntu5)
[18:33] <hallyn> i added the discard and zeroing options, same behavior
[18:33] <hallyn> maybe i needed to wait longer? :)  that would make sense
[18:34] <hallyn> i assume detecting zeroes takes some time
[18:41] <rharper> hallyn: I don't think so;  it should be immediate, fstrim in guest to host should result in a  punchole syscall to the file on the host ;  have to tried raw vs qcow2?
[18:43] <hallyn> no
[18:44] <hallyn> i suppose this could be qcow2 bogosity
[18:46]  * rharper tries it out locally
[18:54] <hallyn> rharper: yes!  raw works
[18:54] <hallyn> at least, with simple ext4, lemme try lvm now
[19:02] <hallyn> rharper: yeah, even lvm thinpools shrink that way.
[19:03] <hallyn> whodathunk raw format works better for shrinking size than qcow2 :)
[19:03] <hallyn> (we all know - you would :)
[19:03] <rharper> hallyn: it's working for me (xenial qemu 2.x) on both qcow2 and raw;
[19:03] <hallyn> thanks rharper
[19:03] <hallyn> hm
[19:03] <rharper> ext4 on both filesystems
[19:03] <rharper> lemme repeat on qemu 4.x
[19:03] <hallyn> qcow2 doesn't work for me, but that's probably ok
[19:04] <rharper> how is your qcow2 built ? base image or layered with a backing file ?
[19:04] <hallyn> just a base qemu-img create -f qcow2 x.qcow2 10G
[19:04] <rharper> yeah
[19:04] <rharper> same here in my tests
[19:20] <rharper> hallyn: so, on qemu 4.0 I see almost *no* trim in the qcow2;  so I suspect there's some additional flags that need set  on the qcow2 -drive parameter
[19:20] <rharper> so that confirms what you see
[21:41] <hallyn> in some circles that would be called a regression :)
[22:55] <keithzg[m]> Hmm, one VM at work (running on KVM) now fails to boot with 4.15.0-58-generic. Still fine with 4.15.0-38-generic, and even more weirdly, other 32-bit VMs using 4.15.0-58-generic boot just fine on the same host.


[12:00] <yarom> hello. I work for a company that change many computers.  I would like to take them to a local school to donate.  They are currently Winxp but old and need reformatting.  I played around with Edubuntu and had my 8, 7, and 4 year olds try it out.  I think it would be great for there school.  If I take the dozen pcs and reformat with Edubuntu, how do we administer them so that students and staff can access?  Do we need to create users for each?
[14:14] <yarom_> Hello, is anybody there?
[14:22] <yarom_> exit
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