[01:29] <Giraffe_> any ideas on how to fix any ideas on how to fix https://sr.ht/g6xQ.txt??
[01:29] <Giraffe_> when running apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:36] <Strav> Ok. Sometimes I live under a rock. Just hear Jonathan Riddell has been forced out of Kubuntu. I've switched from vanilla Ubuntu to Kubuntu precisely because I felt it was in many ways more in line with the spirit of free software (adoption of wayland, absence of awful things like amazon lens and such). In my opinion, Riddell has been a driving force behind this orientation and his ousting on what seems very dubious motives other than
[01:36] <Strav> non-compliance with Canonical's views makes me wonder: what is the actual prospect of Kubuntu 16.04? (actually, I'd be glad to hear that kubuntu will pack their things and go straight with debian)
[02:13] <Idkidks> Hey is anyone available to help me?
[02:28] <Giraffe_> Idkidks: just ask
[02:29] <Giraffe_> someone will help if they can
[02:29] <Idkidks> Yeah I learned that, went to ubuntu channel
[07:49] <nfk|laptop> how does kubuntu future look like? will there be 16.04 LTS?
[08:11] <yofel> nfk|laptop: most likely yes. More details about that after 15.10 release
[08:12] <nfk|laptop> which will be sometime this month?
[08:12] <yofel> yes
[08:13] <nfk|laptop> cool
[08:14] <nfk|laptop> thanks for re-assurement
[09:34] <jubo2> Hiya and thanks for the awesome Kubuntu15 GNU/Linukka OS
[09:34] <jubo2> this may be a newb question
[09:35] <jubo2> I think I need to move to a Kubuntu14 installed side-by-side with this Kubuntu15 which I apparenlty broke (well the audio at least)
[09:35] <jubo2> on this os my homedir is a partition
[09:35] <jubo2> on the other OS there is a /home/username on the / partition
[09:36] <jubo2> there should a be a straightforward way to mount the /home partition into the Kubuntu14 instead of using the old /home that is there
[09:36] <lordievader> jubo2: You can just mount it over the old /home.
[09:36] <jubo2> I could dist-upgrade it just to see how it goes
[09:36] <jubo2> lordievader: instructions plos
[09:37] <lordievader> jubo2: sudo mount /dev/<something> /home
[09:37] <jubo2> and then on Oct 22 I install clean Kubuntu15.10 side-by-side
[09:37] <jubo2> ok. thanks lordievader
[09:38] <jubo2> now I back up my irc logs so I must quit
[09:38] <jubo2> that or tar gonna just return "file changed" and exit
[09:43] <jubo2> Yeah.. just wrapping up uploading backups
[09:44] <jubo2> I wish I had fibre
[09:46] <jubo2> what is the easiest way to check which partition is mounted as what ?
[09:46] <lordievader> jubo2: mount
[09:46] <jubo2> I see the sda's in /dev
[09:46] <jubo2> ok
[09:46] <jubo2> ok.. homedir is /dev/sda7
[09:46] <jubo2> been installing side-by-side new stuff
[09:47] <jubo2> See you in Kubuntu14 LTS
[09:53] <jubo2> excellent
[09:53] <jubo2> 'sudo mount /dev/sda7 /home' worked wonders for me
[09:54] <jubo2> Now..
[09:54] <jubo2> Should I run 2x dist upgrade on this?
[09:54] <jubo2> Now I'd do dist-upgrade to 15.04 and then when 15.10.1 is out I do that
[09:54] <lordievader> jubo2: What is it that you are trying to do?
[09:54] <jubo2> lordievader: get mah sound working
[09:55] <jubo2> Stupid FireFox btw does not return mah tabs even if enabled to store that in cloud
[09:55] <jubo2> I have some ancient tab setup
[09:55] <lordievader> jubo2: I have no idea what your situation is...
[09:55] <jubo2> yes. let's test the sound.
[09:57] <jubo2> flash wont play
[09:57] <jubo2> blocked as vulnerable and quite rightly so
[09:57] <jubo2> the hell.. 32 bit..
[09:58] <jubo2> Why would I have a 32 bit system.. maybe 64bit was too scary
[09:58] <jubo2> AptURL is not working
[10:00] <jubo2> internal sound card is working
[10:00] <jubo2> and 'tail -f freenode_#kubuntu.log' gib mir stereo vision
[10:00] <jubo2> this is much better than Kubuntu15 with no sound
[10:01] <jubo2> so Flash isn't up-to-date
[10:02] <jubo2> and the FireFox insists on opening the file with AptURL
[10:02] <jubo2> But since I have my mind already set on dist-upgrade
[10:03] <jubo2> no wait.. let us be rational and start with 'sudo apt upgrade'
[10:06] <jubo2> yup.. 236 upgrades
[10:06] <jubo2> This is going to take a while but I have fresh coffee
[10:06] <jubo2> and besides it is a multitasking OS so I could do other stuff while it is running
[10:06]  * lordievader slides jubo2 a cup of coffee
[10:07] <jubo2> The kids have it so easy these days
[10:08] <jubo2> When I was getting mah #1st install rooted by unknown nasties in 1998 the shit wasn't as simple and working as today
[10:09] <jubo2> Lol I used GNU/Linukka #1st time in 1995.. in a BBS called pcuf.fi
[10:09] <jubo2> took me some time to write 'irc' and press enter being used to traditional key-based BBS UI
[10:10] <jubo2> took me even longer to figure out to write "/list" and "/j #channelnamegoeshere"
[10:13] <jubo2> after I managed to do that I found myself talking with a Chinese guy that is actually in China and I was sold to this novelty that was called "The Internet"
[10:14] <jubo2> some people though I was nuts when I raved to them how this Internet will change the world radically
[10:14] <jubo2> Now some people call me nuts when I rave how http://MaidSafe.net will obsolete legacy internet
[10:15] <jubo2> "We could try to patch in the legacy internet, but really, why bother?" ~ Some guy in the near future
[10:16] <nfk|laptop> i think you're high on coffee
[10:17] <jubo2> coffee doesn't get one high. it gets one the tremblings
[10:17] <jubo2> if you OD on the stuff
[10:17] <jubo2> need to reboot for upgrades. ta ta piippöls
[10:20] <matteo> hi all
[10:20] <matteo> when kubuntu 15.10 should be out?
[10:20] <matteo> i have upgraded to 15.10 already, kwin freezes all the time
[10:20] <matteo> is there any chance to get it fixed before therelease?
[10:21] <lordievader> matteo: File a bug report.
[10:21] <jubo2> matteo: 2015-10-22
[10:22] <lordievader> matteo: < ubottu> A schedule of wily werewolf (15.10) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseSchedule
[10:22] <jubo2> but if you wanna dist-upgrade I think you need to wait for 15.10.1
[10:22] <lordievader> jubo2: That would be in the case of LTS'es, 15.10 ain't an LTS.
[10:22] <jubo2> ah i c
[10:23] <jubo2> I think I wanna dist-upgrade this Kubuntu14
[10:23] <jubo2> twice
[10:23] <jubo2> what is the command?
[10:23] <lordievader> jubo2: sudo do-release-upgrade
[10:24] <jubo2> "No new release found"
[10:25] <jubo2> i686 is 32 bit right?
[10:25] <lordievader> What version are you running?
[10:25] <lordievader> Yes.
[10:25] <jubo2> Kubuntu14.04 32 bit
[10:25] <lordievader> jubo2: Ah, set it to allow upgrades to non-lts'es.
[10:25] <jubo2> where and how to do that?
[10:25] <lordievader> jubo2: No idea, google it ;)
[10:26] <jubo2> I don't usually google much.. I use https://ixquick.com
[10:26] <lordievader> Whatever floats your boat.
[10:26] <jubo2> that or https://DuckDuckGo.com
[10:27] <jubo2> Keep those "not yet unencrypted SSL traffic"-piles rising and rising in the NSA and GCHQ data silos you know
[10:29] <jubo2> seems I need to dun it with the -d switch
[10:30] <jubo2> 'sudo do-release-upgrade -d'
[10:30] <jubo2> Here goes. Knock on wood and cross fingers
[10:31] <lordievader> Hmm, can you jump from 14.04 -> 15.10... didn't know.
[10:32] <jubo2> now it says "Err Upgrade tool signature"
[10:32] <jubo2> that's bad news I gather
[10:32] <jubo2> I changed the setting..
[10:33] <jubo2> it was in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades btw lordievader
[10:33] <jubo2> the thing to change
[10:33] <lordievader> Ah yes, Now I remember.
[10:33] <jubo2> now I get a bunch of errors
[10:33] <lordievader> jubo2: Could you pastebin them?
[10:33] <jubo2> utopic.tar.gz.gpg missing is causing the comotion
[10:34] <jubo2> I prlly have something weird in sources.list
[10:34] <lordievader> Hmm, no wonder. 14.10 is EOL.
[10:34] <jubo2> utopic == 14.10 ?
[10:34] <lordievader> Probably easier to install from the iso.
[10:34] <lordievader> Yes.
[10:34] <lordievader> !utopic
[10:35] <jubo2> is this now that the dist-upgrade is a no-go?
[10:35] <jubo2> At least I have Basso Radio
[10:36] <jubo2> the Kubuntu14 look-and-feel looks ancient now that I'm used to Kubuntu15
[10:36] <jubo2> Good stuff going on in the copyleft community
[10:40] <jubo2> now I need to dump an AV Linux .iso into a stick
[10:40] <jubo2> This should be in my ~/Documents/commands directory somewhere
[10:40] <jubo2> it is just friggen impolite to ask for same thing on irc again and again
[10:41] <jubo2> when with little effort you can keep .txt files of the commands you gonna need again and again
[10:41] <lordievader> jubo2: Or with little effort you look on the web/man-pages/apropos
[10:43] <jubo2> Does that go well with sesam oil and steamed broccoli? Will sauce be supplied?
[10:43] <jubo2> okok.. I haven't written it up
[10:43] <jubo2> and there are _many_ ways to do it
[10:43] <jubo2> I wish we could have tech that would allow multiple images and also storage space for files on one stick
[10:44] <jubo2> There is the Pendrivelinux that gives the 1st one but not the 2nd and besides the 2 times I've tried it it's been broken
[10:44] <jubo2> mismatch between what it expects as filenames and version number lists it has
[10:44] <jubo2> so so much for that
[10:45] <jubo2> 'dd if=/path/to/image.iso of=/dev/sdb'
[10:45] <jubo2> or is that sdb1
[10:45] <jubo2> this is one method I seem to recall
[10:47] <jubo2> I go with this one
[10:47] <jubo2> I checked with 'ls -l /dev/disk/by-id' that I'm writing over the right disk
[10:49] <jubo2> I think I am seeing the old /home directory and /home contained in /dev/sda7 being joined (set operation)
[10:49] <jubo2> is that supposed to happen / can that happen ?
[10:50] <jubo2> what should I do to not see the old /home stuff there too
[10:51] <jubo2> I reboot and move the old /home stuff out of the way and then 'sudo mount /dev/sda7 /home'
[10:51] <jubo2> I know I know I don't need to reboot for that
[11:04] <vutras> hello
[11:06] <vutras> what are the awesome thing and apps for Kubuntu 15.004? :D
[11:07] <mparillo> jubo2: I used to rely on unetbootin, but have had troubles for a few months, so now I sudo dd if=wily-desktop-i386.iso of=/dev/sdb
[11:07] <yossarianuk> vutras: can you give more details in what you are looking for ?
[11:07] <yossarianuk> vutras: IMO many KDE apps are the best version of the app for Liunx..
[11:08] <yossarianuk> vutras:  i.e - Dolphin is without doubt the best file manager
[11:08] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:08] <yossarianuk> vutras:  i.e - K3b is probably the best cd/dvd burner - Konversation is probably the best IRC client
[11:09] <yossarianuk> really 15.04 is buggy you are better off with 15.10 (but probably best to wait 10 days for final release)
[11:10] <BluesKaj> too bad K3b errors out everytime I try it, but wodom does the job instead
[11:10] <BluesKaj> wodim even
[11:11] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: really - have you added yourself to the 'burning group' or changed the group k3b uses ?
[11:11] <vutras> so 15.10 is comming for 10 days?
[11:11] <vutras> yeap i see 15.04 is so buggy
[11:11] <yossarianuk> think its due 22nd Oct
[11:11] <vutras> and unstable
[11:11] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk, why would I need to , I'm the only user
[11:12] <yossarianuk> yes - I changed to 15.10 about a month ago for home+work machines.far more stable (even though 15.10 is not a stable release yet)
[11:12] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: just so your user has correct perms>
[11:12] <yossarianuk> i.e - settings -> setup system permissions
[11:13] <yossarianuk> worth a check ...
[11:13] <vutras> how tu update to 15.10 now? :D
[11:13] <BluesKaj> haven't made any changes to K3b at all, and I'm on 15.10, and yes I would think the default settings should work
[11:14] <lordievader> Reasonable assumption.
[11:15] <BluesKaj> vutras, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[11:15] <lordievader> vutras: Or just run 'sudo do-release-upgrade -d'
[11:15] <jubo2> mparillo: yeah running it now but the OS is AV GNU/Linukka
[11:16] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: well if you are having issues its work a check.....  -add your users group and change perms on /dev/sr0 (and external programs)
[11:16] <jubo2> Wanna to try out if that is better for running Ardour
[11:16] <jubo2> implementation-in-silicon is always implementation-in-silicon when it comes to Audio/Video stuff
[11:16] <jubo2> Imagine a situation where you are using software multitracker
[11:17] <jubo2> then the guitarist or vocalist hits some awesome streak and everyone agrees that was the best take by far and your system crashes
[11:18] <jubo2> By that time you wish you would have gone for silicon instead of SW
[11:19] <jubo2> I just recently calculated storage bandwidth for 32-bit color 4K uncompressed video
[11:19] <jubo2> 17.1Mbit/s
[11:20] <vutras> tnx, im upgrading right now through konsole
[11:20] <jubo2> @ 30 fps
[11:21] <jubo2> But the professional quality is so good that it must be that they dump raw TV camera data via network to some storage and then only afterwards encode it with non-realtime-required algorithm
[11:21] <jubo2> i.e. "take your time"-speed demanded algo
[11:21] <BluesKaj>  settings -> setup system permissions??? I don't see anything of the sort
[11:24] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk, dunno which settings>system permissions you're referring to, but wodim works just fine so K3b is redundant
[11:26] <jemand> Hi! I can edit the mime-options in sys-settings - but I can't save them - curious??  Any hints?
[11:26] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: e.g -> in k3b - main menu -> settings -> setup system permissions
[11:27] <yossarianuk> fair enough if you have an alternative - but maybe would be good to sort the issue as K3b generally rocks.
[12:20] <newKubuntu> Hi!
[12:20] <newKubuntu> I seek for some advice
[12:27] <mparillo> !ask
[13:22] <syrinx_temple> Hi all.. WiFi in 15.04 will not connect automatically.  After booting into desktop, I have to turn it off then on again before it will see any WiFi networks.  Anyone run into this before?
[13:23] <regedit> hello
[13:24] <regedit> my dual monitor configuration does not seem to persist across shutdowns/reboots
[13:24] <regedit> if/whenever this happens, is there any config file i can copy & re-write in place so that the correct configuration happens?
[13:26] <regedit> where (what file) does kubuntu keep xrandr settings?
[13:36] <regedit> anyone please?
[13:36] <lordievader> !patience
[13:38] <lordievader> regedit: But kscreen likely derives its xrandr settings from ~/.local/share/kscreen/*
[13:39] <regedit> lordievader: thanks
[13:41] <regedit> lordievader: i see a bunch of files named by a random ID string. Who decides which one gets used?
[13:43] <lordievader> Judging from the contents, they represent situations. I guess kscreen does a situation match and sets it from there (if there is a match)
[13:44] <lordievader> mgraesslin in #kde can likely tell you more about this.
[13:45] <regedit> lordievader: ok thanks, i hope i find him and he'd be able to help correcting the mistaken situation matching, i guess
[15:07] <westyvw> is there a fix for the kdenlive save crash bug?
[15:07] <westyvw> other than using it in a different window manager?
[15:16] <jubo2> Hiya from AV Linukka
[15:17] <jubo2> there is impressive pre-installed software
[15:17] <jubo2> can totally understand the 3.5GB download size
[15:17] <jubo2> Hiya blitz00
[15:17] <jubo2> whoops
[15:17] <jubo2> Hiya BluesKaj
[15:17] <jubo2> stupid x-chat
[15:18] <jubo2> I want back to Konversation
[15:18] <jubo2> I hear if one h4xes hard enough then Konversation is also available on other WM then KDE
[15:18] <BluesKaj> hi jubo2
[15:18] <jubo2> Hiya hi
[15:19] <jubo2> where is mi beer_
[15:19] <jubo2> mi beer is in the freezer
[15:19] <jubo2> cools them faster
[15:19] <BluesKaj> any 'buntu apps will run on all flavours and DEs
[15:20] <jubo2> BluesKaj, but only if you h4x hard enough
[15:20] <jubo2> on Kubuntu I can have it out-of-box
[15:21] <jubo2> 'sudo apt install konversation'
[15:21] <BluesKaj> nope, if you install an app from the repos, then the libs/depends will accompany the app
[15:21] <jubo2> I need to recover that half-tera disk from the busted Mac
[15:21] <BluesKaj> no hacks needed
[15:21] <jubo2> and put that into this laptop
[15:22] <jubo2> install clean Kubuntu15.10
[15:22] <jubo2> and use the Kingston provided migration kit to move relevant partitions there
[15:22] <jubo2> I bought a too small SSD
[15:23] <jubo2> The idea was to have a Linukka in a Windows and a Windows in a Linukka
[15:23] <jubo2> the windoozes would work coz they all could connect to SkyDrive or whatevs the M$FT cloud storage is called
[15:25] <jubo2> I didn't find a way for the non-virtualized and virtualized Linukka could share storage.. I am not a texy person so I dunno all the tricks
[15:27] <jubo2> Now I wait for Kubuntu15.10
[15:27] <jubo2> and wait for MaidSafe Network
[15:28] <jubo2> I am so going to donate to the commons all I can
[15:28] <jubo2> 2 x physical boxes and 1 x server in Nederland
[15:28] <BluesKaj> dolphin sees the other linux an win dows partitions and drives in network and under devices in the places list
[15:29] <jubo2> say
[15:29] <jubo2> I can mount /home partition in this Live version of AV Linukka _
[15:30] <jubo2> mais si..
[15:30] <jubo2> lovely
[15:32] <jubo2> all this power at my fingertips
[15:32] <jubo2> and I thought electric light was something
[15:32] <jubo2> today there is the 4th generation of LEDs
[15:33] <jubo2> the Chip-on-board or COB
[15:33] <jubo2> 4th gen is these COB floodlights
[15:33] <jubo2> transistor is nice too
[15:34] <BluesKaj> jubo2, this isn't your personal blog...mabe you join google and start one there
[15:35] <jubo2> changing designs from HID lighting fixtures towards COB LED floodlights will save a ton on the electricity
[15:35] <jubo2> BluesKaj, you right
[15:35] <jubo2> That is why I have started a blog
[15:35] <jubo2> and I run WordPress
[15:36] <jubo2> Now I boot back to the Kubuntu14
[15:36] <jubo2> got all mi gear there
[15:37] <BluesKaj> ok , maybe you could post your comments there instead of here, since this is supposed to be kubuntu support
[15:51] <westyvw> currently attempts to save in Kdenlive caush it to hang. Any fixes?
[15:51] <westyvw> Is it fixed in 15.10?
[16:38] <Vtec234> hello, so i'm looking at my cpu load and cpu2 is loaded 100% most of the time? is that normal? also, the system seems laggy, ie opening a window takes a long time etc
[16:39] <Vtec234> cpu3 also gets 100% quite often
[16:40] <westyvw> Vtec234:  check what processes are consuming the resources. You can try ksysguard and sort by cpi
[16:40] <westyvw> cpu
[16:42] <Vtec234> westyvw: checked, xorg is 1-2% and baloo_file_extractor goes to 7% sometimes, others' consumption is not shown
[16:45] <westyvw> Vtec234: that is all thats being used then. You could try killing baloo as it is what almost always causes me greif just to see if the monitor is showing that as more activity than it is
[16:48] <Vtec234> westyvw: yeeah, it was baloo_file_extractor, but i also had to kill baloo_file since it was the parent. and it all runs smoothly now. isn't the process necessary for some kde stuff?
[16:49] <westyvw> Vtec234: It is the file indexer. So if you do a search for files it is fast. Its not necessary, but useful. KDE really has a problem with this application. It causes problems for a lot of people. Is it a fresh intall or upgrade?
[16:49] <Vtec234> fresh install, freshly formatted disk
[18:16] <Vimar> Hi
[18:16] <aotea> hello
[18:17] <Vimar> whats up?
[18:21] <lordievader> o/
[18:36] <Vtec234> ugh, why is getting poweline to work with bash such a pita? you guys use it? there seems to be references in the binding shell script to inexistent folders
[19:16] <jubo2> Now I'm on Kubuntu14
[19:17] <jubo2> it is not bad but looks retro compared to Kubuntu15
[19:18] <jubo2> with 'sudo mount /dev/sda7 /home' I can have my home directory on this till the 2015-10-22
[19:18] <jubo2> If I'm looking for stability and reliablity, like on servers, I go for Debian8.1
[19:19] <jubo2> but If I want a nice GUI'd OS I go for Kubuntu
[19:19] <jubo2> I could consider paying money for Kubuntu
[19:19] <jubo2> or .. what is that called..
[19:20] <jubo2> The code incentive monies
[19:20] <jubo2> You can put like $50 or $100 on some feature in some software you want done
[19:21] <jubo2> then if someone does it you are obliged to pay what you promised
[19:46] <ahoneybun> jubo2: Bounty something I think
[19:47] <ahoneybun> elementary uses it a lot
[19:50] <Snipes> Hello, does anybody know how I can view files on a network share with gThumb in Kubuntu?
[19:54] <mah454> Hello
[19:54] <mah454> Utopic get EOL ...
[19:55] <mah454> so , i use KDE 4 on utopic , so upgrade do install Plasma 5 ?
[19:55] <mah454> sorry for bad english !!!
[19:59] <krytarik> mah454: Yes.
[19:59] <mah454> so , won't use plasma 5 !!!
[20:00] <mah454> What can i do ?
[20:00] <mah454> I need stay in KDE 4
[20:01] <krytarik> mah454: Go back to 14.04 LTS perhaps.
[20:01] <krytarik> !14.04
[20:02] <krytarik> mah454: It's supported till April 2017 anyway.
[20:02] <mah454> OOO , NOOOO
[20:02] <mah454> krytarik: have not other way ?
[20:08] <krytarik> mah454: Well, Debian 8 would be an option. :P
[20:08] <mah454> Oh my god ... !!!! :D
[20:08] <mah454> F u c ..... k
[20:12] <jubo2> mah454: swearing and cussing is not appreciated by channel rules
[20:12] <jubo2> I mean we can go totally Anti-Disney as long as we don't swear
[20:12] <jubo2> but hey.. it's irc
[20:13] <mah454> jubo2: Okey , I understand ...
[20:13] <mah454> jubo2: Thank you :)
[21:05] <sheytan> Hey guys. Is there any magic command that allows to install kubuntu without Ubiquity? It crashes all the time ;/
[21:06] <aotea> Where can I find information on Muon Discovery crashes? Like logs and such
[21:06] <Unit193> sheytan: You can use the mini then install the Kubuntu task.
[21:06] <sheytan> Unit193: how to?
[21:06] <Unit193> Or, you can manually unsquashfs the filesystem, and purge ubiquity and stuff. :D
[21:07] <Unit193> !mini
[21:07] <sheytan> well, yeah, but isin't there any installer from command line?
[21:07] <sheytan> available in the regular iso
[21:08] <Unit193> The 'alternate' installer has been discontinued for Kubuntu.
[21:09] <sheytan> well, thank you :)
[21:09] <Unit193> Sure, g'luck with it.
[21:10] <Unit193> Vtec233355: Please stop nickchanging.
[21:12] <bprompt> hmm
[21:12] <Vtec233355> Unit193: ah shit, sorry :/ i didn't realize i was already logged in to channels. was registering timeout nicks with nickserv
[21:23] <typhoon_2099> Hi guys, I'm having an issue with the subwoofer on my Asus N56VM laptop. I can test it successfully but none of my programs output anything through it.
[21:32] <typhoon_2099> If I set my audio to 4.0 I get output on rear right via the subwoofer but this is not ideal.
[21:53] <typhoon_2099> Do I need to do something special to get my programs to use my subwoofer?
[22:14] <typhoon_2099> Doesn Clementine ignore the audio device preference for music?
[22:54] <orangesox> hello, i am having trouble with kubuntu. would anyone like to help?
[22:55] <SireWolf> what sort of trouble are you having?
[22:55] <orangesox> i am having major troubles with startx... caught in a login loop for lack of a better term
[22:56] <orangesox> my sda is completely full... could this be keeping it from starting?
[22:57] <orangesox> been trying to use terminal to delete items from trash but keeps giving me a read only error
[23:03] <orangesox> am i lagging or something? anyone to help?
[23:06] <svend-ev> Good morning
[23:07] <orangesox> hello
[23:07] <orangesox> i am looking for help with an issue with kubuntu
[23:09] <abrahams> orangesox: having a completely full disk is a big problem, you should try sudo rm those trash files, or boot with a USB stick and clean them up, and perhaps try #ubuntu because this is not a problem specific to kubuntu
[23:10] <orangesox> hello. anyone here to help with kubuntu problems?
[23:12] <orangesox> hello. anyone here to help with kubuntu problems?
[23:12] <bprompt> well
[23:13] <orangesox> please a little help would be much appreciated
[23:13] <bprompt> orangesox:     first off, if you disk is full, likely you either have lots of junk or lots of files you can move about, so.... check your ~/ folder and move a few, say movies and mp3s elsewhere, if you just need a bit of space for booting, you can just move 3 or 4 movies, and that'd give enough  space, but consider moving them all elsewhere
[23:14] <bprompt> orangesox:   other spot you can flush things at, is at /var/cache/apt/archives,   all those .deb files if any there
[23:14] <orangesox> i could empty my trash yes?
[23:14] <orangesox> problem is, i keep getting "read only"
[23:15] <bprompt> orangesox:     sure, I'd think so, but if for whatever reason you couldn 't, just move some of your media files over, a few movies or mp3s will do
[23:15] <orangesox> move the files to where? i need to delete to make space
[23:16] <bprompt> orangesox:    w0t?  how big is your hdd?  how many partititons?  how big is the partition where kubuntu is at?
[23:16] <bprompt> also, don't you have an external hdd anyway?
[23:17] <orangesox> yes i do but i can't make any commands... i keep getting read-only
[23:17] <bprompt> I can see the issue if your  hdd were 20gbs, but I strongly doubt it's, so....surely there's media filling it up, that could be moved over
[23:18] <orangesox> i can access the terminal without problems but can't seem to make any progress with commands
[23:18] <bprompt> hmmm
[23:19] <bprompt> orangesox:    are you in a root terminal?
[23:20] <orangesox> yes
[23:21] <bprompt> orangesox:    ok... I assume you're using the "recovery" menu root terminal option... so, that means the system is mounted as read-only, thus, so...remount it with read-write  -->    mount -o remount,rw   <--- and then you can delete whatever, but I'd still suggest moving over media files, since likely that's what's filling it up, many dvds can do that rather quickly
[23:25] <orangesox> thank you so much bprompt
[23:25] <bprompt> np
[23:26] <tazmainiac> any traffic here?
[23:27] <bprompt> tazmainiac:    well, if there were, you may run the risk of getting run over, no?
[23:28] <tazmainiac> true
[23:28] <tazmainiac> so - upgraded from Kubuntu 14.10 to 15.04 - most everything seems to work
[23:28] <orangesox> so i deleted files from my trash in hopes that would open the space, they were large music files
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[23:29] <bprompt> orangesox:    /var/cache/apt/archives    also may have lots of junk, you can get rid of all those debs as well
[23:29] <tazmainiac> but when I switch users (sessions) when i switch back to first session, I get garbled screen
[23:29] <bprompt> orangesox:    could just do a -> apt-get clean <- for that as well
[23:30] <tazmainiac> so - first session (me) is fine, create new session for 2nd users (kids), but when I try and switch back to my session, the screen flips and blinks
[23:30] <tazmainiac> like a funky screen saver
[23:30] <tazmainiac> (I have no screen saver configured))
[23:30] <tazmainiac> this worked find under 14.10
[23:30] <orangesox> i did that one earlier
[23:31] <orangesox> how does one delete directories using rm command?
[23:31] <tazmainiac> I've got an Nvidia GPU (NVIDIA Corporation GM107 [GeForce GTX 750 Ti])
[23:31] <bprompt> orangesox:    rm -rf SOMEDIR
[23:31] <tazmainiac> rm -r will delete a directory and everything in it
[23:31] <tazmainiac> add -f for "force"
[23:31] <tazmainiac> (-r is for recursive)
[23:33] <bprompt> tazmainiac:   methinks, reroll the video drivers, or maybe check /etc/X11 for any .conf added, get rid of it, reboot to see if it recreates it with some workable defaults
[23:33] <tazmainiac> I've tried both upgrading and downgrading video drivers already
[23:33] <bprompt> reroll [23:34] <tazmainiac> went from nvidia-340 to nvidia-340-updates to nvidia-346
[23:34] <tazmainiac> tried nvidia-331-updates as well (which seems to give me nvidia-340)
[23:35] <bprompt> tazmainiac:    if anything I can think of, would be some video .conf file, as opposed to a binary one
[23:36] <orangesox> ok removed at least 1 gb worth of trash...
[23:37] <orangesox> rebooting now
[23:37] <orangesox> still not getting past login window
[23:38] <orangesox> could it be a problem with x server?
[23:39] <bprompt> orangesox:    when you said, the "login screen", is that the kubuntu login screen? or the terminal's?
[23:39] <orangesox> kubuntu's
[23:40] <orangesox> bprompt: no problem logging in through console terminal window
[23:42] <bprompt> orangesox:     http://askubuntu.com/questions/213680/how-to-restart-kwin-when-it-is-hung   <--- try that, once you get to the kubuntu login screen, ctrl-alt-f1   and then "DISPLAY=:0 kwin --replace"  to run kwin, kde window manager, methinks something is making it hung from the last session
[23:44] <orangesox> fatal error while trying to open display
[23:47] <bprompt> orangesox:    any other hmmm options from the login screen for sessions?   I know "fail safe" is one, but that'd just give you the terminal, any other session options?
[23:48] <orangesox> none of those options will work for me... all lead to the black screen and back to the login again. the loop.
[23:48] <bprompt> orangesox:   so to be clear, what's hanging is "kwin" it seems, NOT kde itself, kwin is kde window manager, so if all else fails, you can always install something else to run apps or to fix or reinstall or update "kwin"
[23:49] <orangesox> when i type startx into terminal it goes black screen
[23:49] <orangesox> does that help at all?
[23:50] <bprompt> hmm
[23:51] <bprompt> orangesox:    whatever happened before this anyway?  a power outtage? you did a force shutdown? a driver update?
[23:52] <orangesox> using testdisk
[23:52] <orangesox> and photorec
[23:54] <bprompt> orangesox:    could try giving it an "fsck" in root terminal from the recovery  menu
[23:55] <bprompt> may just be xserver then, as opposed to kde
[23:55] <orangesox> i feel like it's xserver... but wtf do i know really nada ;)
[23:57] <orangesox>    /dev/sda6: clean when i type fsck
[23:58] <bprompt> orangesox:  k.. reboot, see if it gets stuck again
[23:58] <bprompt> orangesox:    worse case scenario, you'd reinstall.... you can always just backup your home folder, and your settings will be kept for any installed apps
[23:59] <orangesox> i know this is a dumb question but how to back up home folder from terminal?


[15:46] <bigred15> hi all
[15:46] <bigred15> anyone know how to delay audio on linux? trying to synchronise sport radio commentary (online digital stream), output it through 3.5mm to amp, and line it up with the sport broadcast on TV.
[16:18] <holstein> bigred15: wow.. i would want something that syncs.. timecode, etc
[16:18] <holstein> nothing just randomly setup analog like that would do for me,for long term
[16:19] <holstein> otherwise, load up a delay, and turn off the dry, and only use or route the wet, and delay as you please
[22:42] <Morgiver> hi everyone :)


[05:58] <nuvolari> o/ mornings
[05:58] <nuvolari> Maaz: tell Kilos morning oom
[05:58] <Maaz> nuvolari: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[05:58] <hjoubert> morning nuvolari
[05:59] <nuvolari> mornings hjoubert
[06:00] <hjoubert> the opic is quite outdated
[07:09] <Kilos> môre superfly nuvolari en ander
[07:09] <superfly> môre oom Kilos!
[07:09] <Kilos> hi darksurferza
[07:10] <Kilos> als goed daar superfly ?
[07:10] <superfly> Ja dankie oom
[07:11] <superfly> Busy, but good weekend.
[07:11] <Kilos> great
[07:15] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos
[07:15] <nuvolari> lekker naweeg gehad?
[07:15] <nuvolari> *naweek
[07:15] <darksurferza> Greetings all
[07:15] <superfly> Morning nuvolari, darksurferza
[07:16] <Kilos> stil dankie nuvolari en jy?
[07:16]  * superfly always thinks of Dark Wing Duck when he sees a nick starting with "dark"
[07:16] <Kilos> lol
[07:16] <Kilos> surfing inna dark is dangerous. sharks at their worst then
[07:17] <darksurferza> Been a while since I watched that.  Ministers have fast cars that ain't gonna pay for themselves...
[08:08] <Symmetria> heh darksurferza general rule in business, if the law allows you to write it off, you write it off :P
[08:08] <darksurferza> Don't worry about the devblog post. Seems immediately has some delay associated with it
[08:08] <Symmetria> and screw it, even with my deductions I paid enough tax last year for a minister to buy themselves a new 5 series bmw
[08:10] <darksurferza> Yes, but this year sees the launch of many new BMW's, how are those to be paid for then...?
[08:10] <darksurferza> Kickbacks?
[08:10] <Symmetria> :P from the million odd rand in tax Im expecting to pay in the next 12 months?
[08:10] <darksurferza> This is how we, as citizens, encourage fraud
[08:11] <Symmetria> lol trust me, if its so much as a goddamn sandwich from the corner cafe that I buy for a client while walking down the street Im gonna deduct it
[08:12] <darksurferza> Lol, ok, enough clogging the irc with tax banter, someone might have something important to say...
[08:39]  * inetpro excited about future technologies
[08:39] <inetpro> Ubuntu for Android hands-on http://www.viddler.com/v/644c9ce0
[08:39] <inetpro> that is so cool!
[08:40] <inetpro> good morning to everybody
[08:40] <inetpro> Maaz: say hi to kilos
[08:40] <Maaz> hi to kilos
[08:40] <inetpro> hmm...
[08:41] <inetpro> Maaz: tell Kilos Goo Morning sir
[08:41] <Maaz> inetpro: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[08:41] <inetpro> yikes!
[08:41] <inetpro> wonder what he'll think is so goo :-)
[08:42] <Symmetria> I want ubuntu for my amp :P
[08:42] <Symmetria> lol
[08:42] <inetpro> hehe Symmetria
[08:42] <Symmetria> http://valhalla.clue.be/~vort/room-setup.jpg <[08:43]  * inetpro feeling rich this morning
[08:43] <inetpro> got an SMS that I can get R100,000 at the press of a button
[08:43] <inetpro> URL going to something at http://cal2.us/
[08:44] <inetpro> wonder how legal that is
[08:45] <Symmetria> heh pretty sure its a scam :P
[08:45] <Symmetria> people dont generally give away 100 grand
[08:45] <Symmetria> haha
[08:45] <inetpro> Symmetria: so how do we block that?
[08:46] <Symmetria> inetpro well, you could log a complaint with your service provider about sms related spam
[08:46] <Symmetria> its illegal to spam cell phones
[08:46] <Kerbero> o
[08:47] <inetpro> looks like that domain was registered by some dude in Cape Town
[08:47] <Kerbero> you in be-land now Symmetria ?
[08:58] <confluency> What is "Ubuntu Calistoga"?!
[08:58] <confluency> I'm guessing this dude has the Intel chipset and it's putting up a splash screen when he boots.
[10:09] <darksurferza> Devblog linux vids are being downloaded to a web server for all who want
[13:41] <Armandeg> Hey, there were some of you who wanted info on USB network install and stuff... Please go check out armandeg.blogspot.com I make a few posts, please comment if you wan any answers....
[14:18] <nuvolari> bah! :-/ what is that template language called where you can use == hello == for <h2> Hello </h2>?
[14:18] <nuvolari> I can't remember
[14:19] <Kilos> hi Armandeg and others
[14:19] <Kilos> afternoon inetpro
[14:21] <nuvolari> hi ooom Kilos
[14:21] <Kilos> lo nuvolari iii
[14:23] <inetpro> hiho Kilos
[14:48] <nuvolari> Kilos: ek sal vanaand vir oom help
[14:48] <nuvolari> okei?
[14:49] <Kilos> ag seun jy het nie tyd nie net n vinnige pos sal doen enige tyd
[14:49] <Kilos> ek het skoon vergeet
[14:49] <Kilos> hoe
[14:55] <Kilos> oh my 3 kerby's busy fella
[15:11] <Kilos> bbl
[17:24] <Kilos> hi all
[18:03] <superfly> hi Kilos
[18:28] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos
[18:28] <nuvolari> is oom hier rond?
[18:28] <Kilos> naand julle
[18:28] <Kilos> lol
[18:28] <nuvolari> hi oom :>
[19:37] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:37] <Kilos> Maaz, night
[19:37] <Maaz> kbye Kilos
[19:38] <Kilos> not bye dodo night


[00:19] <andylockran> Howdy
[00:19] <andylockran> time for bed methinks :D
[00:25] <andylockran> night
[00:36] <christel> czajkowski: are you catholic?
[02:23] <Azelphur> is Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY (rev 01) supposed to work with Ubuntu?
[05:59] <MartijnVdS> I think so
[07:42] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:26] <AlanBell> ☃
[08:29] <DJones> Morning
[08:29] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: Snow? Where?
[08:29]  * MartijnVdS sees lots and lots (and lots) of rain
[08:30] <DJones> I see snow on the ground outside the office window
[08:33] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:52] <danfish> morning
[08:52] <danfish> it's snowing on my desktop
[08:52] <danfish> DesktopSnow
[08:53] <MooDoo> clouds look full of snow but nothing else
[08:53] <popey> GU14 2/10 #uksnow
[08:53] <popey> ☺
[08:54] <AlanBell> ooh, big flakes now. czajkowski must be getting a flight soon
[09:06] <popey> snow!
[09:06] <popey> http://popey.com/webcam/
[09:06] <popey> not enough
[09:07] <bigcalm> Morning peeps :)
[09:07] <MartijnVdS> \o bigcalm
[09:07] <bigcalm> popey: rake up those leaves
[09:07] <popey> pffft
[09:08] <MartijnVdS> or pay your kids to do it
[09:08] <bigcalm> I have a big leaf sucker, does your back in after a while.
[09:09] <bigcalm> Pay them in minecraft access time
[09:10] <popey> hah
[09:25] <DJones> Heavy snow :)
[09:25] <MooDoo> non here
[09:27] <DJones> -list
[09:28] <popey> hehehe
[09:32] <DJones> 09:31              <<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[]
[09:32] <DJones> Ugh
[09:32] <DJones> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-d248UPWO5w0/TusO_fEgXZI/AAAAAAAABh4/Hn2mbuJfmWM/s800/IMAG0118.jpg
[09:32] <bigcalm> ?
[09:32] <DJones> Snowing
[09:32]  * MartijnVdS hands DJones a new keyboard and mouse
[09:32] <MartijnVdS> oh and a paste buffer
[09:33] <DJones> Definately a paste buffer
[09:41] <DJones> Any rumours on who/what the Doctors new assistant is going to be?
[09:43] <DJones> I say bring back K9
[09:45] <matti> Haha
[09:45] <matti> ;]
[09:45] <matti> DJones: :)
[09:47] <czajkowski> christel: I am. why ?
[09:47] <czajkowski> AlanBell: snow, where?
[09:47] <popey> czajkowski: it was earlier, stopped now
[09:48] <DJones> Its still snowing here (Stockport area)
[09:48] <matti> Uhhh :)
[09:48] <czajkowski> popey: oh this is good to hear.
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> 'snowhere?
[09:48] <popey> czajkowski: not snowing here anymore http://popey.com/webcam/
[09:48] <matti> popey: Are we doing mulled wine and things this year?
[09:50] <MartijnVdS> matti: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koek-en-zopie
[09:51]  * popey points matti at AlanBell
[09:51] <matti> MartijnVdS: English, Polish or Japanese will do, but this one I cannot read :)
[09:51] <MartijnVdS> matti: translate.google.com can
[09:52] <matti> MartijnVdS: I am too lazy ;/
[09:52] <DJones> matti: chrome auto translates :)
[09:52] <matti> MartijnVdS: :)
[09:52] <matti> DJones: Haha
[09:52]  * matti haven't had his morning coffee yet
[09:52] <matti> Be merciful.
[09:53] <czajkowski> popey: oh I remember how useful that was last year.
[09:53] <DJones> matti: Heh, I will, don't want to get on Santa's naughty list
[09:53] <matti> DJones: :)
[09:58] <DJones> Argh.... note to self, bring earplugs to work, I'm not interested in what work collegues are wearing for the Christmas party or whether they've painted their toenails
[10:01] <MooDoo> yay firealarm
[10:02] <DJones> MooDoo: Go and stand outside in the cold
[10:02] <MooDoo> DJones: false alarm, next doors builders set it off by accident
[10:02] <matti> MooDoo: :)
[10:02] <oimon> at christmas party the IT guy always gets asked IT questions by the other staff :(
[10:02] <DJones> Aww, shame
[10:02] <DJones> I don't go to works christmas parties
[10:03] <oimon> the option is to sit with gossipy admin dept or sit with other workers who are talking shop
[10:03] <bigcalm> I go to Hayley's work based parties - they are great fun
[10:04] <bigcalm> Councils might be boring, but the people who work there don't have to be :)
[10:04] <DJones> oimon: Last year, one of the directors threw up over a member of staff after too much to drink
[10:04] <oimon> prob lots of drunkeness
[10:04] <oimon> DJones: ewww
[10:04] <oimon> thats disgraceful
[10:04] <DJones> Yeah, and the staff member is still going in the same taxi with him this time
[10:05] <bigcalm> Armed with sick bags
[10:05] <dogmatic69> DJones: sounds like a wild company :D
[10:05] <DJones> But they are friends outside work as well, live near each other, his wife and the staff member are best friends
[10:06] <oimon> i embarrassed myself at a christmas party once. not sure if anyone noticed
[10:06] <DJones> dogmatic69: Not so much wild, just a 40 year old that couldn't handle his drink
[10:06] <oimon> sometimes they just get completely out of hand
[10:07] <bigcalm> A client wants their website to produce a feed that linkedin can make use of. As I don't use that service, I don't know which format they actually need. Anybody know?
[10:07] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: there should be a api
[10:07] <oimon> not drinking at the christmas party is usually the best policy
[10:08]  * DJones goes for ear plugs from the chemist, now they're talking about the makeup and false eyelashes they're going to wear
[10:08] <bigcalm> http://blog.linkedin.com/2009/03/20/sharing-rss-feeds-on-linkedin-groups/
[10:08]  * czajkowski peers at DJones
[10:08] <bigcalm> I can see a field that says "Enter a website or rss url"
[10:09] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: so i take it the site you are doing does not have a feed?
[10:09] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: it doesn't, no
[10:09] <dogmatic69> k
[10:09] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: fear not, its easy :)
[10:09] <bigcalm> Which is what I'm about to write
[10:09] <bigcalm> I know how to write one, just need to know which format they expect
[10:10] <bigcalm> There have been a few feed types over the years
[10:10] <dogmatic69> RSS 2.0
[10:10] <DJones> czajkowski: I have no interest in what the people are wearing for the christmas party, so far I've heard about the "little black number", the shoes, the painted toenails, the makeup, the false eyelashes
[10:10] <bigcalm> Right :)
[10:10] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: they are all very similar
[10:10]  * MartijnVdS has yellow earplugs
[10:10] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> No more arguing PHP coders
[10:11] <bigcalm> Heh
[10:11] <czajkowski> DJones: just nod and smile and remember to say they look nice
[10:11] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: we could argue in here
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: I'm not a PHP coder ;)
[10:11] <bigcalm> But I am :D
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: Weren't you a Perl person?
[10:12] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: very long ago
[10:12] <bigcalm> I got a job in PHP and my perl skills ebbed away
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> Poor you :(
[10:12] <bigcalm> Indeed
[10:12] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: you do hardcore procedural php?
[10:12] <dogmatic69> or you using some frameworks
[10:13] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:13] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: both
[10:13] <dogmatic69> :/
[10:13] <MartijnVdS> Hardcore procedural frameworks.
[10:14] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: you sound displeased
[10:14] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: anything less than oop makes me sad
[10:14] <dogmatic69> dry, mvc, oop... all the buzz words :D
[10:15] <bigcalm> You can write your own mvc
[10:15] <dogmatic69> ye, that is ok
[10:15]  * dogmatic69 uses cakephp
[10:16] <bigcalm> I use symfony, cakephp, or start from scratch
[10:16] <bigcalm> Depends upon what the client needs
[10:16] <MartijnVdS> Isn't PHP all "View" anyway?
[10:16] <bigcalm> Oh, WordPress is a handy one to dev for as well
[10:16] <MartijnVdS> it being all HTML with a bit of special sauce
[10:16] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: you freelance?
[10:16] <bigcalm> Doesn't have to be
[10:17] <MartijnVdS> *runs*
[10:17] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: no
[10:17] <christel> czajkowski: i had a latenight moment of madness in which i wondered whether i should become catholic so david could get into a catholic school! :o
[10:17] <bigcalm> o.O
[10:18] <bigcalm> What's the advantage of going to a catholic school?
[10:18] <dogmatic69> that was a change in direction
[10:18] <MooDoo> bigcalm: get to drink wine on sunday
[10:18] <christel> (sorry, i was replying to her from hours ago)
[10:18] <christel> bigcalm: the schools tend to be better :)
[10:18] <czajkowski> christel: ah ha. right. I forgot that's how that works over here, whereas at home all schools are catholic though I think there are a few non ones for primary.
[10:18] <christel> but impossible to get into
[10:18] <christel> (around here at least)
[10:19] <MooDoo> and you get to drink on a sunday :) lol
[10:20] <christel> :o
[10:22] <christel> that was a quick visit!
[10:24] <AlanBell> you don't have to be catholic christel, they do accept anything but atheists
[10:24] <AlanBell> oddly enough it is perfectly legal to discriminate against atheists
[10:24] <christel> haha really?
[10:25] <AlanBell> yup, the compulsory supplimentary information form for All Hallows must be signed by your minister of religion (not neccessarily catholic)
[10:26] <DJones> christel: Some friends at our church are CofE, the husband is governor at the local catholic school and their daughter goes to the catholic school
[10:26] <AlanBell> similar for St Polycarps I think, but I don't think I saw the forms for that
[10:26] <oimon> some CofE churches are quite close to catholic churches...others are not
[10:26] <christel> AlanBell: aha!
[10:27] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: Get it signed by a random pastafarian
[10:27] <oimon> close in doctrine, i mean
[10:27] <MartijnVdS> oimon: "They're right next to each other!"
[10:27] <oimon> do catholic churches require you to attend their approved church?
[10:27] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: unfortunatly I don't get the opportunity to express my sense of humour in matters of school selection :)
[10:27] <DJones> I think this catholic school started to allow CofE children about 2 years ago
[10:28] <AlanBell> there are quotas and things, but they can't have a policy of 100% anything
[10:28] <oimon> my nephew and niece attend a CofE school which expects you to attend a particular CofE church, but they are OK about it if you are a regular churchgoer in another denomination too
[10:29] <christel> mind, "my" church is er, the church of norway
[10:29] <MooDoo> the school we want our kids to go to is a cofe school
[10:30] <oimon> i'm not sure how much it means anymore. many of the bishops and vicars in the cofe don't actually believe :-\
[10:32] <oimon> vmware's competition today asks who is responsible for red santa suits :-\
[10:32] <oimon> guess what the correct answer is
[10:32] <MartijnVdS> Coca Cola
[10:33] <MartijnVdS> that, or the Dutch (Santa being a bastardization of Sinterklaas who wears red)
[10:33] <oimon> it's the most correct answer :)
[10:33] <oimon> given that the other is sunburn
[10:33] <christel> AlanBell: you were in my dream last night, for some reason you were picking golfballs out of a pond full of frogs, whilst drinking champagne
[10:33] <christel> it was most peculiar
[10:33] <oimon> wut
[10:33] <popey> its from all the wine he spills over himself when he hits the bottom of the chimney
[10:33] <oimon> alcohol induced dreams of AlanBell
[10:33] <DJones> What had you been drinking/smoking?
[10:33] <oimon> powdered ubuntu cd
[10:34] <MartijnVdS> you don't smoke powdered ubuntu cd. You snort it.
[10:34] <AlanBell> funnily enough I was out picking golfballs out of frogponds last night, whist drinking champers
[10:34] <christel> see, i've been entirely sober since recovering from the christmas party!
[10:34] <christel> AlanBell: haha
[10:34] <oimon> my work PC will be grateful for the christmas holidays...uptime 52 days
[10:35] <AlanBell> ooh, christel, sick child here today, no chicken chasing opportunity (not really the weather anyhow0
[10:36] <christel> true! it's a tad wet!
[10:36] <christel> are you being NurseBell today?
[10:36] <christel> :)
[10:37] <daubers> Morning
[10:37] <christel> morning daubers
[10:43] <daubers> Apologies for missing the meeting yesterday. Was somewhat hung over
[10:44] <Laney> tsk
[10:45] <daubers> Ended up whiskey tasting with my boss after the works christmas do
[10:45] <andylockran> howdy all
[10:45] <daubers> may have to order a few bottles after christmas now
[10:46] <AlanBell> christel: not much nursing required, offspring is flopped on sofa watching telly
[10:47] <bigcalm> daubers: you didn't miss a lot really :)
[10:47] <andylockran> Just bought the O'Reilly MySQL High Performance Book
[10:47] <andylockran> absolutel fascinating reading
[10:47] <bigcalm> Does it tell you to drop mysql and use something else?
[10:48] <andylockran> bigcalm: chortle
[10:48] <bigcalm> I actually like mysql, just thought I'd jump on the bandwaggon for bashing it
[10:48] <dogmatic69> hehe
[10:48] <andylockran> I think it's like chess - simple rules, but difficult to master
[10:49] <dogmatic69> andylockran: too true. want it fast, just add indexes. makes a huge difference. although creating them slightly wrong makes things worse
[10:49] <bigcalm> Simple rules that join to make very complex messes
[10:52] <bigcalm> D, d M Y H:i:s T
[10:52] <bigcalm> Oops
[10:52] <dogmatic69> hehe
[10:53] <christel> AlanBell: hehe
[10:57] <dogmatic69> rhythmbox is full of bugs
[11:01] <gordonjcp> I didn't think rhythmbox was actively developed any more
[11:02] <dogmatic69> what is the music player of choice for ubuntu?
[11:02] <oimon> rhythmbox is default again in 12.04 innit?
[11:02] <oimon> all the cool kids are using clementine though ;)
[11:02] <daubers> oimon: You listen to your music through a small orange?
[11:03] <dogmatic69> :D
[11:03] <oimon> preferred to a wailing banshee
[11:03] <daubers> Depends on your music preference surely?
[11:05] <gordonjcp> so are they going to resurrect rhythmbox then?
[11:05] <daubers> I thought it all hinged on some bugs being fixed in banshee?
[11:06] <gordonjcp> I thought the problem was that Banshee was written in Mono
[11:07] <daubers> Heh :) No. There was a few stability problems, and some other really problematic bugs
[11:08] <daubers> The majority I think have been fixed upstream. directhex probably know more than me
[11:09] <directhex> there were two major reasons cited
[11:09] <andylockran> dogmatic69: the books is definitely worth a read
[11:09] <directhex> banshee is a gtk2 app - gtk3 is in a branch, and almost ready
[11:09] <andylockran> I've made the jump to using percona-MySQL on my own servers
[11:09] <andylockran> I'll see how that goes.
[11:09] <directhex> and banshee has some problematic behaviour on some ARM configurations, which happen to be canonical's target
[11:09] <andylockran> but yeah, percona toolkit looks like an invaluable tool in a DBA/SysAdmin's arsenal
[11:10] <andylockran> especially for data integrity/replication requirements
[11:11] <davmor2> morning all
[11:11] <dogmatic69> andylockran: you got first or second edition?
[11:13] <directhex> RB isn't particularly actively developed anymore - but it got ported to gtk3 with relative ease, so it gets a reprive for now
[11:13] <oimon> amy pond is leaving dr who :(
[11:14] <mgdm> Rhythmbox \o/
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> oimon: source?
[11:14] <oimon> the newspapers, el reg ...
[11:15] <AlanBell> banshee takes an age to load which is rather frustrating when it wants to be the default player for ogg files
[11:15] <oimon> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/12/16/doctor_who_new_companion/
[11:15] <MartijnVdS> :(
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> Let's hope she'll play in lots of other series :)
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> uhr
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> shows
[11:16] <AlanBell> click ogg, wait 30 seconds, hear ogg, hear random other sound from the banshee playlist close banshee, keeps playing, close from sound menu thing, rinse, repeat
[11:16] <davmor2> directhex: Rhythmbox has had a load of features added?  It wasn't being actively developed and then the lead developer stood down and there was a load of developers who went we can't let this die
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: Banshee not exiting on close is a "feature"
[11:16]  * czajkowski hugs davmor2
[11:17] <directhex> davmor2: which features have been added? i occasionally check the git commits, but only ever see translations
[11:17] <oimon> banshee crashing every time i use it is not a feature
[11:17] <DJones> MartijnVdS: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-16207688
[11:17] <directhex> AlanBell: i'm ot sure i ever want a library player to handle file playing.
[11:17] <davmor2> directhex: I'd need to fire up my precise box so it'll be in a bit
[11:18] <davmor2> directhex: I'm assuming the bulk of it though it plugins rather than to the player direct
[11:18] <directhex> davmor2: doesn't matter much with modern software
[11:18] <directhex> hell, banshee is all plugin. even the gui
[11:18] <oimon> puppet deployed an application to > 100 machines in a few minutes . i <3 puppet
[11:18] <andylockran> oimon: :D
[11:19] <oimon> win + mac users won't get it till a month or so
[11:19] <oimon> due to high hassle cost
[11:20] <daubers> \o/ When someone does a push to the work bzr server I now get an mqtt notification :D
[11:21] <AlanBell> directhex: yeah, it seems completely wrong to give it the file association, I just want to hear the thing I clicked on instantly with playback controls but no other significant GUI
[11:21] <directhex> AlanBell: i wouldn't want RB to be my file player either
[11:21] <directhex> AlanBell: or itunes or WMP!
[11:21] <directhex> of course, WMP is junk in all things
[11:22] <directhex> keeps crashing on these complicated ".mp3" files i throw at it
[11:23] <Mez> popey: have you actually gotten the spotify beta preview to work?
[11:26] <davmor2> directhex: I have to say that I'm happy with the whole RB decision I never got on with banshee and I tried, but with the crashing, crap ogg support for radio channels, last.fm not working without a paid account etc etc etc I'm glad I have a player that just plays music which is all I want at the end of the day :D
[11:27] <directhex> davmor2: the last.fm situation is complicated
[11:27] <davmor2> directhex: just works on rhythmbox
[11:27] <directhex> davmor2: there are two APIs. the current one, paid-only, and the old one, which supports free usage. the old api will be withdrawn "any day now" as of a couple of years ago
[11:27] <davmor2> p.s. that is one thing that had an update
[11:27] <directhex> banshee ported to the new api, other apps didn't
[11:29] <directhex> so banshee gets blamed for using the only supported api \o/
[11:29] <bigcalm> Sounds reasonable
[11:31] <davmor2> directhex: so RB update, libre.fm, zeitgeist plugin, updated last.fm, updated im report now supports more clients too, improve context pane too,  this is since the last time it was default player
[11:31] <oimon> getting impatient for a raspberry pi :-\
[11:31] <directhex> raspberry pi had so much potential :/
[11:32] <davmor2> oimon: it's not that hard to make you just need a flan base, raspberrys and raspberry relly done ;)
[11:32] <directhex> their choice of silicon will come back & bite everyone, fairly quickly
[11:33] <davmor2> directhex: how do you mean the choice on arm processor?
[11:34] <directhex> davmor2: the specific arm chip they're using
[11:34] <directhex> arm is fine, but in a project like this, what you pick matters
[11:34] <davmor2> directhex: yeap that's what I meant sorry
[11:34] <mgdm> directhex: what's up with it, out of interest?
[11:34] <davmor2> directhex: agreed it is too old and will soon get too expensive to support
[11:35] <mgdm> I've not really been following the development
[11:35] <davmor2> mgdm: Single old core so there are few OS's that still support it
[11:35] <directhex> mgdm: it uses a Broadcom BCM2835
[11:35] <directhex> mgdm: this is a non-free GPU, with an armv6 core thrown in for luck
[11:36] <directhex> mgdm: so issue 1: can't use ubuntu. ubuntu needs armv7
[11:36] <mgdm> Oooh dear.
[11:36] <davmor2> mgdm: they would of been better off with a slightly newer chip armv7<
[11:36] <directhex> issue 2: the gpu is the core of this thing. firmware images are loaded by the gpu. they need mangling with a proprietary tool for i386 to become bootable
[11:36] <MartijnVdS> Raspberry 2pi..
[11:36] <davmor2> ah directhex beat me too it
[11:37] <directhex> issue 3: all the drivers, pretty much, are non-free. guess how well supported new kernels are gonna be
[11:37] <mgdm> :/
[11:37] <popey> powervr all over again
[11:37] <directhex> it's a far worse situation than gma500 was
[11:37] <directhex> FAR worse
[11:37] <MartijnVdS> "But else we wouldn't be able to do it for £30"
[11:38] <directhex> MartijnVdS: indeed. but that means when it becomes a brick there'll need to be a new one. pretty quickly, i guess. which means splitting the support base early on
[11:38] <directhex> messy messy messy
[11:39] <MartijnVdS> directhex: I agree.. better to increase the price a little and have a lot more freedom
[11:39] <MartijnVdS> directhex: but I don't think they will, at this stage
[11:39] <MartijnVdS> they're late already
[11:40] <oimon> however, if the first pi is successful....
[11:40] <popey> define $success
[11:40] <directhex> :O iran captured that US drone via hax, not accident
[11:40] <directhex> pld, iran
[11:40] <MartijnVdS> directhex: is what they claim
[11:41] <oimon> popey: large sales and/or reliable equipment and/or happy users and/or thriving community
[11:41] <oimon> then we might see a better pi^2 next year
[11:41] <MartijnVdS> oimon: http://tauday.com/ ;)
[11:41] <directhex> oimon: so now there's pi1 and pi2 instructions for everything. what do you write training docs for?
[11:42] <davmor2> they would of been better off aiming the first batch at geeks having the price higher and used armv7 and then with the money they made from the first batch discounted the ones for the kids after
[11:42] <oimon> what's the application? writing python progs?
[11:42] <directhex> oimon: which OS do you put in the screenshots?
[11:44] <oimon> who is you?
[11:44] <oimon> if i'm a schoolteacher, then i guess all pi's will be the same
[11:45] <davmor2> popey: I see you managed to get you're voip sorted in the end
[11:45] <directhex> oimon: anyone mass-producing documentation used for, say, schools.
[11:45] <oimon> all hardware gets updated and revved
[11:47] <oimon> the reason they chose broadcom is probably because eben upton works for them
[11:47] <davmor2> So people I have a question, who has an android tablet and would they recommend it?
[11:48] <directhex> android is the best worst mobile OS
[11:48] <oimon> i'll have one as soon as CM9 comes out on HP touchpad ;)
[11:48] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod I mena Hug who am I kidding prod ;)
[12:09] <Mez> popey: have you actually gotten the spotify beta preview to work?
[12:13] <bigcalm> Didn't work for me. But I was drinking ale at the time
[12:13] <davmor2> bigcalm: yeap but things not working for you means nothing :P
[12:14] <bigcalm> Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[12:14] <bigcalm> Harsh
[12:15] <davmor2> bigcalm: Yeah but it's Christmas and someone has to tone down the joy joy :D
[12:16] <davmor2> bigcalm: to be fair you'd probably spend the next 3 weeks digging into why it didn't work if Ale wasn't involved ;)
[12:51] <bigcalm> Happy now? https://github.com/bigcalm/Twitter-IRC-Gateway/commit/c5ce8fc8f41712c491e155b7ec5585a4216e4e9d
[13:07]  * daubers attempts to use ask ubuntu for a technical question
[13:08] <daubers> If anyone fancies a go at it http://askubuntu.com/questions/88214/using-libnotify-from-a-daemon-started-with-upstart :)
[13:14] <s-fox> Hello.
[13:16] <MooDoo> boo
[13:17] <s-fox> hoo
[13:17] <s-fox> :)
[13:17] <MooDoo> lol :)
[13:19] <dogmatic69> hmmm... just changed my pw in user settings thingy... looks like its hung :/
[13:20] <dogmatic69> system monitor says its sleeping
[13:22] <dogmatic69> anything I should / can do?
[13:53] <dogmatic69> is there a way to get a list of everything installed?
[13:54] <dogmatic69> or even better, non default stuff
[13:58] <popey> software centre has a history option?
[14:00] <dogmatic69> never use that before. always apt-get in terminal
[14:21] <chrisjrob> dogmatic69: from command line dpkg --get-selections
[14:21] <chrisjrob> but you'd need to do that when you first install to give you something to diff against thereafter
[14:22] <dogmatic69> thanks, any way to limit it to things that are not default installed?
[14:22] <dogmatic69> ah ok
[14:22] <chrisjrob> I suppose you could run a live CD?
[14:22] <dogmatic69> na, ill just live with that
[14:22] <dogmatic69> thanks
[14:23] <chrisjrob> it is a good idea though - to run that upon first install
[14:23] <dogmatic69> ye
[14:24] <chrisjrob> dogmatic69: I often also review dpkg.log
[14:25] <chrisjrob> they give you an idea of recent installs
[14:27] <popey> often
[14:30] <andylockran> anyone else got an issue with flash in chrome on 11.10 64 bit?
[14:30] <andylockran> It says it's out of date, but flashplugin-nonfree is the latest according to synaptic
[14:35] <chrisjrob> andylockran: chrome has its own built in version
[14:35] <chrisjrob> you can disable with about:plugin
[14:35] <chrisjrob> and then it'll fallback on flashplugin-nonfree
[14:35] <mgdm> only on 32-bit, IIRC
[14:35] <chrisjrob> about:plugins
[14:35] <brobostigon> and only on windows.
[14:36] <chrisjrob> it applies to linux as well
[14:36] <chrisjrob> unless something has changed recently - always possible
[14:37] <brobostigon> chrisjrob: i have chrome, under debian here, it doesnt have flash builtin, and relies on flash externally.
[14:37] <chrisjrob> chrome or chromium?
[14:38] <chrisjrob> i believe chrome has built in flash, chromium hasn't
[14:38] <brobostigon> both.
[14:46] <chrisjrob> brobostigon: i have remove flashplugin-nonfree, removed every copy of libflashplayer.so, and chrome still provides flash
[14:46] <andylockran> yeah, I'm not sure why my chrome isn't updating then...
[14:46] <andylockran> the inbuilt
[14:46] <chrisjrob> andylockran: they do fall behind on occasion
[14:46] <chrisjrob> i blogged about it a while ago
[14:46]  * chrisjrob tries to find it
[14:47] <chrisjrob> http://chrisjrob.com/2011/03/13/google-chrome-flash-plug-in-blocked/
[14:47] <andylockran> lash Player is the standard for delivering high-impact, rich Web content. Designs, animation, and application user interfaces are deployed immediately across all browsers and platforms, attracting and engaging users with a rich Web experience.
[14:47] <chrisjrob> but hey, i could be wrong
[14:47] <andylockran> The table below contains the latest Flash Player version
[14:47] <andylockran> lash Player is the standard for delivering high-impact, rich Web content. Designs, animation, and application user interfaces are deployed immediately across all browsers and platforms, attracting and engaging users with a rich Web experience.
[14:48] <andylockran> I have version 10,3,162,29 installed
[14:48] <chrisjrob> 64-bit seems to not have built-in flash
[14:48] <andylockran> Package 'adobe-flashplugin' is already installed
[14:50] <chrisjrob> andylockran: have you tried disabling in about:plugins?
[14:50] <andylockran> yeah
[14:50] <andylockran> and flash just stops working :)
[14:50] <chrisjrob> hmm
[14:51] <andylockran> I've got my mac next to the ubuntu desktop running the flash video so not a massive issue atm for me
[14:53] <chrisjrob> andylockran: yes, I'm getting the same
[14:55] <oimon> has this been discussed already ? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2011-December/001528.html
[14:56] <andylockran> oimon: java/flash ?
[14:56] <oimon> Due to the severity of the security risk, Canonical is immediately releasing a security update for the Sun JDK browser plugin which will disable the plugin on all machines. This will mitigate users' risk from malicious websites exploiting the vulnerable version of the Sun JDK.
[14:57] <andylockran> oimon: that's not flash though is it
[14:57] <oimon> no - completely unrelated to your issue
[14:57] <chrisjrob> andylockran: I am running debian - is ubuntu not still "flashplugin-nonfree"?
[14:58] <andylockran> ah, sorry
[14:58] <andylockran> chrisjrob: it is
[15:03] <AlanBell> Oracle demonstrating the dangers of closed software once again
[15:03] <chrisjrob> andylockran: in about:plugins can you see a Details option at the top right?
[15:03] <chrisjrob> click that and it lists (for me) two versions of flash
[15:03] <chrisjrob> you could experiment with disabling one or t'other
[15:06] <cliftonts> hey, is AlanBell about?
[15:06] <AlanBell> o/
[15:06] <cliftonts> hi
[15:07] <cliftonts> remember advising me to add my blog to the planet ubuntu page?
[15:07] <MooDoo> cliftonts: uk's or the main one?
[15:08] <MooDoo> main one - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu
[15:08] <MooDoo> ubuntu uk - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ubuntu-uk.org/planet/
[15:08] <cliftonts> uk
[15:08] <MooDoo> ^^ :)
[15:08] <cliftonts> I'm added, my name shows in the list down the side but none of my posts are showing
[15:08] <cliftonts> it's been like that for days
[15:09] <MooDoo> what is your name lol
[15:09] <christel> AlanBell is always censoring stuff...
[15:09] <cliftonts> Gareth France
[15:09] <davmor2> cliftonts: did you add the rrs feed for you blog?
[15:09] <cliftonts> lol why would he censor a page he advised adding?
[15:09] <andylockran> chrisjrob: I've just found that - thanks
[15:10] <AlanBell> the feed url is wrong, should be http://cliftonts.co.uk/cubuntu/?feed=rss2
[15:10] <czajkowski> cliftonts: christel was just joking
[15:10] <christel> cliftonts: i was jesting ;)
[15:10] <cliftonts> Aah right
[15:10] <chrisjrob> andylockran: good good :)
[15:10] <AlanBell> no doubt popey will fixor it shortly
[15:10] <MooDoo> AlanBell: beat me to it. :D
[15:10] <cliftonts> I've never added to a page like that before
[15:10] <cliftonts> can I just amend it? Or does someone else have to?
[15:11] <MooDoo> you can do it.......
[15:11] <AlanBell> cliftonts: if you edit the wiki page and put the right feed URL in that would be great
[15:11] <cliftonts> I'll have a stab at it then, but I warn you the wiki pages hate me!
[15:12] <AlanBell> don't take it personally, they hate everyone
[15:12] <cliftonts> lol
[15:12] <MooDoo> cliftonts: it's easy, but if you get stuff i'm sure someone could edit it for you for a price ;)
[15:12] <MooDoo> s/stuff/stuck
[15:12] <cliftonts> MooDoo it usually refuses to even show me the editing option
[15:12] <MooDoo> cliftonts: booooo
[15:12] <cliftonts> however today it is being kind!
[15:13] <davmor2> cliftonts: the price is 3,000,000 rupees
[15:13] <cliftonts> tis done
[15:14] <cliftonts> now sit back and fingers crossed I guess
[15:14] <cliftonts> thanks
[15:19] <cliftonts> how often does planet ubuntu update anyway?
[15:19] <MooDoo> cliftonts: it's a manual job to edit the actual conf so it will get done shorltly i'm sure
[15:19] <MooDoo> cliftonts: every hour ish i think
[15:20] <cliftonts> oh right. It seems like a great service
[15:20] <MooDoo> cliftonts: quite easy to setup to :d
[15:20] <cliftonts> I've seen it before but never given it much thought until recently. I'm lazy so stick to omgubuntu for my news
[15:21] <jutnux> Anyone listened to Coldplays new album
[15:21] <jutnux> ?
[15:23] <gord> coldplay still exist?
[15:23] <MooDoo> yup
[15:23] <MooDoo> played the x factor final the other day
[15:36] <gord> i don't count that as an existance
[15:41] <cliftonts> lol
[15:41] <jutnux> Their new album is quite good
[15:41] <oimon> jutnux: i have all their albums
[15:42] <oimon> i probably like each one slightly less each time
[15:42] <jutnux> Well
[15:42] <jutnux> by quite good I mean 2 songs
[15:42] <oimon> they all seem to merge into one on the latest album
[15:43] <mgdm> I liked them up until X&Y, at that point I lost interest
[15:45] <oimon> especially as my x&y mp3s have nasty noises on because sony/whoever decided to deliberately msess up the CD for anyone who wishes to rip their own media to mp3
[15:57] <DJones> MPA have hit Sky broadband now, getting newbin blocked
[16:01] <Azelphur> DJones: I'm on sky, anything I can do?
[16:01] <Azelphur> in a "take your filters and shove them up your ass" sort of way
[16:02] <cliftonts> Well, planet ubuntu just updated with no change to my status. Guess it'll be a longer wait than I'd hoped
[16:02] <oimon> what's newbin, a piracy site?
[16:02] <daubers> cliftonts: planet ubuntu and the uk one are different :)
[16:02] <cliftonts> I mean the UK one
[16:03] <Azelphur> oimon: newzbin is a usenet search engine
[16:03] <cliftonts> I'm just too lazy to type 2 extra letters lol
[16:03] <MooDoo> cliftonts: you need to wait a bit
[16:03] <cliftonts> I will don't worry
[16:03] <MooDoo> when you edit the file you edited it notifies a few people who need to manually edit it...they will get round to it when they get round to it :D
[16:03] <Azelphur> DJones: so, anyone I can rage at?
[16:04] <cliftonts> I've just been let down by Royal Mail enough to not trust having sent something as being  guarantee it'll get there lol
[16:04] <oimon> "From January, Internet Explorer (IE) users will be automatically updated to the latest version of the browser."
[16:04] <DJones> Azelphur: No idea, guess it'll be the MPA
[16:04] <Azelphur> oh, that seems useless
[16:04] <DJones> Azelphur: Its not as if somebody couldn't just use a different search engine if they wanted to
[16:05] <Azelphur> DJones: indeed, or bypass it, I just don't like that stuff :p
[16:05] <popey> someone pung?
[16:05] <popey> AlanBell: ?
[16:06] <MooDoo> popey: popey think someone mentioned you in relation to the planet
[16:06] <MooDoo> i think :D
[16:06] <cliftonts> lol, I'm not getting pushy MooDoo
[16:06] <MooDoo> cliftonts: DEMAND IT :D
[16:06] <MooDoo> lo
[16:06] <cliftonts> I'm just looking forward to ticking it off my list
[16:07] <MooDoo> cliftonts: bear with it, it's not normally to long :D
[16:07] <popey> cliftonts: wassup?
[16:07] <cliftonts> MooDoo: I'm sure not which is why I'm not worried. However my F5 key is beginning to wear out! lol
[16:08] <cliftonts> popey: I added myself to the planet ubuntu uk page incorrectly. I've corrected it now but of course it needs someone to apply that change
[16:08] <MooDoo> popey: he just edited the planet wiki and wants the conf updating NO DAGNAMIT!
[16:08] <MooDoo> pah that fell flat on it's face seeing as i can't type properly :D
[16:09] <davmor2> MooDoo: sadtrombone.com
[16:09] <popey> ah ok
[16:09] <MooDoo> davmor2: shut it you "prod"....er actually wrong person
[16:09] <MooDoo> czajkowski: big christmas STAB!!!!
[16:10]  * davmor2 fires nurfs at czajkowski
[16:10]  * MooDoo hijacks the nurfs and substitutes them with paint balls
[16:11] <popey> cliftonts: http://cliftonts.co.uk/cubuntu/?tag=ubuntu&feed=rss2 is the url I will use
[16:11] <popey> to filter so only ubuntu tagged posts will go to the planet
[16:11] <cliftonts> That's what I amended it to yes
[16:11] <cliftonts> oh I see, well all my posts will be Ubuntu related
[16:13] <popey> not all of them are tagged ubuntu though
[16:15] <cliftonts> All my posts have the tag ubuntu in them
[16:15] <popey> heh, they do now ☺
[16:15] <cliftonts> I forgot to put tags on the latest one but have just corrected that
[16:16] <popey> we prefer people to use tags, gives you the flexibility to post non-ubuntu stuff, and make a concious effort to tag stuff ubuntu to make it appear on planet
[16:16] <popey> http://planet.ubuntu-uk.org/ there you go
[16:17] <cliftonts> popey: That's fair enough however my blog is specifically aimed at detailing my efforts to introduce the masses to Ubuntu. So 'in theory' all posts should be relevant
[16:17] <popey> sure, I underatand
[16:17] <cliftonts> popey: And 'in theory' should also all be correctly tagged lol
[16:17] <popey> ☺
[16:18] <MooDoo> cliftonts: all this hassle and the first post i see mentions windows??? how very dare you ;) lol ha ha ha
[16:18] <cliftonts> MooDoo: In a constructive fashion of course. Using Windows to tempt new users over
[16:18] <MooDoo> cliftonts: don't worry i'm teasin
[16:19] <cliftonts> I know, and yes it hurt a little to even think down those lines lol
[16:19] <cliftonts> I'm thinking it should be good to debate the details of what I'm doing and why I'm doing it. The whole Windows issue is very important if my machines are to sell
[16:25] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Gareth France] Time for a flirt with the dark side? - http://cliftonts.co.uk/cubuntu/?p=18
[16:26] <cliftonts> Oh look....there I go now. lol
[16:28] <popey> gord: why do you unity windows move off one desktop onto another?
[16:28] <cliftonts> MooDoo: I'm just browsing the stats on my page. It was very nice of Microsoft to pass 8 people to my page from their search engine
[16:28] <cliftonts> There's an irony in there somewhere
[16:28] <popey> switch desktop and find a window from another desktop hanging over the edge of this one
[16:30] <gord> switch desktop?
[16:30] <gord> like workspace?
[16:31] <popey> yeah
[16:31] <popey> they kinda creep
[16:31] <popey> like the firefox download window was near (not at) the edge of desktop 1, i switch desktops and find it's overhanging desktop 2 at the left side under the launcher
[16:32] <popey> happens vertically too
[16:33] <gord> hum, doesn't happen here, multi-monitor?
[16:33] <popey> nope
[16:34] <popey> has happened at least 5 times today
[16:34] <cliftonts> My workspace switcher doesn't do anything :/
[16:34] <gord> hrm, you using -proposed popey? we are getting a compiz SRU ready
[16:36] <popey> wow
[16:36] <popey> that was rude
[16:36] <popey> [14870071.581207] screen[3670]: segfault at c ip b76b7669 sp bff266dc error 4 in libc-2.11.1.so[b764a000+157000]
[16:37] <gord> that looks... scary
[16:37] <popey> blammo, bye bye irssi
[16:38] <gord> if you didn't see it: <gord> hrm, you using -proposed popey? we are getting a compiz SRU ready
[16:38] <gord> * popey has quit (Quit: Lost terminal)
[16:38] <popey> yes
[16:41] <gord> feel like testing without -proposed? ;)
[16:41] <popey> how do you mean? random debs ?
[16:44] <davmor2> popey: just run update-manager -d and everything will be magically fixed ;)
[16:44] <czajkowski> evening
[16:44] <davmor2> czajkowski: prodski
[16:48] <gord> popey, never mind sru hasn't gone through yet, sounds weird but very window manager related, give smspillaz a poke about it after the holidays or something
[16:48] <popey> friend of mine has the same issue
[16:52] <cliftonts> Hey, here's a thought. Does anyone know why my machine has 'second monitor' blindness when running ubuntu? It's a HP laptop
[16:55] <jutnux> What video card cliftonts
[16:55] <cliftonts> erm.. Nvidia something, hang on
[16:55] <cliftonts> VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51 [GeForce Go 6150] (rev a2)
[16:56] <gord> cliftonts, enabled the second monitor in nvidia-settings?
[16:56] <cliftonts> it just doesn't react at all to the monitor
[16:56] <cliftonts> nvidia settings doesn't show a second monitor
[16:57] <cliftonts> Unable to load X Server Display Configuration page:
[16:57] <cliftonts> Failed to query NoScanout for screen 0.
[16:57] <cliftonts> That's displayed in X server display config
[17:00] <cliftonts> Silence....Have I got people thinking?
[17:02] <bigcalm> It's close to the end of the day here. People might be franticly trying to get some work done before the week is out ;)
[17:03] <czajkowski> and heading off to the pub for a swift one
[17:03] <cliftonts> bigcalm: Heaven forbid! Work is a very bad habit I try to avoid ;)
[17:03] <bigcalm> This is what I miss out on by working from home
[17:04]  * popey is doing exactly this
[17:04] <jutnux> clifftonts: nvidia-settings
[17:04] <jutnux> Have you looked on there and changed it to twinview?
[17:04] <bigcalm> popey: frantic work or pub?
[17:04] <popey> former
[17:04] <bigcalm> :D
[17:04] <cliftonts> Jutnux: nvidia settings can't see my second monitor. What good is that?
[17:05] <bigcalm> cliftonts: you might have better luck setting it up in xorg.conf by hand
[17:05] <cliftonts> jutnux: I don't have twinview. I don't have anything relating to more than one monitor
[17:05] <cliftonts> bigcalm: I'm not going to tinker like that. I don't have the time and my need isn't great enough. It's just mildly annoying that it's stopped working since unity was born
[17:06] <bigcalm> Oh, unity has a horrible time with multiple monitors. But you should still be able to see it listed somewhere. Computers are fun :D
[17:07] <cliftonts> I'm sure it'll get fixed sooner or later and quite frankly this machine is dying anyway
[17:07] <cliftonts> I only keep it as a reminder that I'm too poor to replace it!
[17:07] <gord> if nvidia-settings doesn't see it, its not unity's fault
[17:08] <cliftonts> gord: The problem started when unity became standard. I'm aware that may not be the cause however
[17:13] <daubers> cliftonts: Silly question of the day, but the second monitor is plugged into the second port on an nvidia graphics card isn't it? Not the motherboards card?
[17:14] <cliftonts> It's a laptop, it has a built in card with a port on the side of the machine
[17:14] <daubers> Hmm... you've not accidentally disabled it with some combo keyset that modifies the bios? (I've done that before)
[17:14] <daubers> (stupid toshiba satellites)
[17:14] <cliftonts> I should add the screen works during booting and goes blank when ubuntu takes over
[17:16] <cliftonts> Aah! My driver is version 173 and not the reccomended one. Think that might sort it?
[17:17] <gord> you tell us :)
[17:17] <cliftonts> give me 5 mins and I will
[17:18] <cliftonts> if i don't come back it was a bad idea!
[17:18] <daubers> I'd still double check that. My stupid tosh would run both screens for the bios then turn the external one off
[17:19] <cliftonts> daubers: I'll be on that next then
[17:21] <cliftonts> ok, going for a reboot
[17:26] <cliftonts> interesting...
[17:26] <cliftonts> I've gained dual monitors but lost my wallpaper
[18:18]  * christel swoops in and tackles czajkowski
[18:18]  * czajkowski tackles christel instead
[18:19] <czajkowski> listening to the Prodigy while roomba cleans
[18:19] <czajkowski> this is a goog combination
[18:19] <czajkowski> *good
[18:20] <christel> hehe
[18:20] <christel> bless
[18:21] <christel> i'm getting ready for Yet Another Christmas Party
[18:21] <christel> my liver is begging for christmas to be over
[18:22] <MartijnVdS> christel: only a few more weeks
[18:22] <christel> indeed!
[18:29] <davmor2> christel: You know there is this stuff called lemonade you can drink that instead honest ;)
[18:31] <zleap> what version of thunderbird does 11.10 come with
[18:32] <davmor2> zleap: before or after updates?
[18:32] <zleap> before i guess
[18:32] <davmor2> on the cd it is 7 post update 8
[18:32] <zleap> ok
[18:32] <zleap> is that the same for firefox too
[18:34] <davmor2> zleap: I think so yeap
[18:35] <zleap> ok thanks so if  I specify version 7 for bothj its probably safer and less likely to mislead people
[18:35] <zleap> thanks
[18:36] <davmor2> zleap: It's possibly safer to just say has Thunderbird and Firefox and not mention the versions at all
[18:37] <zleap> good point, have changed it
[18:48] <mattt> anyone here in/around camberley?
[19:00] <AlanBell> mattt: quite a few within striking distance of camberley
[19:04] <jutnux> Anyone here in/around Norwich?
[19:05] <jutnux> Just wondering, not that I'd be able to do anything.
[19:05] <AlanBell> http://ubuntu-uk.org/where-are-we/
[19:07] <zleap> AlanBell, how do I get myself added to that ?
[19:08] <jutnux> Fill in the form zleap
[19:09] <zleap> thanks
[19:11] <zleap> done, I will try and get members of the dclug to do the same
[19:11] <AlanBell> great
[19:11] <AlanBell> also http://ubuntu-uk.org/free-cds/
[19:11] <directhex> moo
[19:11] <jutnux> How do you accomplish the snail mail address?
[19:11] <jutnux> \o directhex
[19:12] <popey> mattt: i am
[19:12] <zleap> I will add that 2nd one to my website,  in fact will add the free cd one to my poster
[19:12] <popey> in fact my wife has just gone out tonight in camberley without me :'|
[19:13] <AlanBell> jutnux: simple process, you send me an email and I send you a snail
[19:13] <AlanBell> or possibly a slug
[19:13] <jutnux> :-(
[19:13] <AlanBell> or maybe I should read the instructions a bit closer
[19:14] <AlanBell> I think I have had more requests from people based in India than the UK
[19:14] <AlanBell> all very polite, but I don't ship there!
[19:14] <jutnux> I was thinking of getting one when my Internet was terrible.
[19:16] <directhex> http://people.collabora.com/~directhex/scan.jpg
[19:17] <AlanBell> oooooh
[19:17] <AlanBell> congratulations :)
[19:18] <czajkowski> canonical looks cool tonight flashing blue and purple lights
[19:18] <jutnux> Congratulations directhex :-)
[19:19] <zleap> congrats directhex
[19:20] <czajkowski> directhex: congrats
[19:21] <popey> yay! congrats directhex  and mrs hex
[19:22] <mattt> AlanBell / popey: decent enough area?  we were looking at a place to live there this evening
[19:22] <davmor2> directhex: Congrats Dude
[19:24] <popey> mattt: depends which bit
[19:25] <mattt> popey: kings ride, just north of the town centre
[19:25] <daubers> directhex: Wow! Scary! Good luck dude!
[19:25] <directhex> daubers, thank you for being the first to articulate realistic feelings about it :p
[19:26] <daubers> directhex: :p
[19:26] <mattt> directhex: nice one :)
[19:46] <jacobw> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16224394
[19:47] <jacobw> the implication that france is secular and britain is not is .. worrying :|
[19:48] <czajkowski> directhex: when is it due ?
[19:48] <directhex> czajkowski, early july
[19:49] <czajkowski> directhex: fun few months ahead, is this yer first?
[19:49] <directhex> it is.
[19:50] <czajkowski> directhex: will ye find out closer if it's a boy or a girl ?
[20:02] <AlanBell> jacobw: france is technically secular as it doesn't have an established church
[20:03] <jacobw> he seems to be proud that we have an established church
[20:04] <jacobw> its as if he's saying "we're better than them because we're christian!"
[20:04] <AlanBell> !religion
[20:04] <jacobw> hehe
[20:04] <jacobw> i know
[20:04] <AlanBell> :)
[20:04] <AlanBell> he didn't have a lot of choice given venue and occasion
[20:05] <AlanBell> 400 years of a copyright anomoly
[20:06] <jacobw> he had no choice in that famously religous environment of oxford :p
[20:08] <AlanBell> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorized_King_James_Version count the "oxfords"
[20:10] <jacobw> meh
[20:11] <zleap> god = root user
[20:13] <jacobw> does the pope sudo?
[20:13] <zleap> dunno
[20:14] <zleap> maybe the pope uses ubuntu
[20:14] <jutnux> Restarting your computer as the sound was not working but not realising you turned the speakers off moments before :-(
[20:15] <zleap> lol
[20:15] <davmor2> jacobw: lets check popey do you sudo?
[20:17] <zleap> davmor2, http://stephencuyos.com/vatican-library-uses-linux/
[20:17] <zleap> :D
[20:17] <davmor2> zleap: But there is only one pope we care about
[20:17] <zleap> yeah
[20:17] <zleap>  popey,
[20:20] <zleap> hey they use linux thats a good thing surely :)
[20:30] <directhex> czajkowski, yeah, we will do
[20:30] <directhex> czajkowski, not even far enough along for the nuchal fold test
[21:07] <DaveMorris> Attempting to connect to a Win 2003 Server via IPsec\L2TP and I'm getting "modem-manager: (net/ppp0): could not get port's parent device" any ideas?
[21:07] <directhex> windows @_@
[21:08] <DaveMorris> not my choice
[21:08] <DaveMorris> works VPN server
[21:09] <DaveMorris> they won't open up a SSH port for me or use OpenVPN
[21:11] <directhex> wait, windows server uses pptp. they installed an ipsec server on windows? o_o
[21:11] <MartijnVdS> directhex: Windows can use ipsec/l2tp instead of pptp
[21:12] <directhex> really? i don't know these things
[21:12] <directhex> it's an alien os. for aliens
[21:13] <MartijnVdS> .. says Mr Mono
[21:13] <directhex> yep
[21:13] <DaveMorris> :)
[21:13] <directhex> you think i know anything about .net on windows?
[21:13] <MartijnVdS> Alot :)
[21:17] <directhex> i've used visual c# once, to access a java->c# source conversion tool that was available in an old VS - 2003 or so.
[21:18] <directhex> since then i've been trying, badly, to build gstreamer with visual c++
[22:27] <zleap> hi
[22:27] <zleap> trying to boot 12,04 in virtual box
[22:35] <jacobw> zleap: any problems?
[22:44] <zleap> i had to enable pae which seems odd on a 2gb system
[22:44] <zleap> apart from that seems ok so far
[22:46] <zleap> but I am using virtual box too hence i had to do the above
[23:06] <christel> congratulations directhex :D
[23:23] <j0nr> hey folks. Why is my webcampicture so crap? If I open Cheese, the picture is awful, almost like a solarize effect!
[23:24] <jacobw> low lighting?
[23:27] <j0nr> no, its really low fps and the colours/quality is just awful!
[23:28] <j0nr> it should be pretty good. I have had it working before (before 1104) and it was great, so dont know why it is so bad today
[23:31] <j0nr> its definately something to do with the external usb webcam, as the inbuilt one is fine
[23:31] <jacobw> ok
[23:43] <j0nr> hmm lsusb seems to have fixed it


[01:54] <MTecknology> Any idea why I'm getting these errors? http://dpaste.com/140771/
[05:18] <MTecknology> really quiet in here...
[05:19] <MTecknology> anybody have an idea?
[05:21] <crimsun> kinda lacking in detail, there
[05:21] <crimsun> e.g., what's the base linux source?
[05:23] <MTecknology> crimsun: Ubuntu-2.6.32-9.13
[05:24] <crimsun> which config options did you change?
[05:24] <crimsun> a pristine copy of linux_2.6.32-9.13 gets past that point ok
[05:24] <MTecknology> I tried using the same .config I was using from karmic
[05:25] <crimsun> is it available somewhere?
[05:26] <MTecknology> http://paste.ubuntu.com/351086/
[05:32] <MTecknology> crimsun: I was hoping it was a simple little thing but it seems I have something pretty screwed up..
[05:44] <crimsun> heh
[05:44] <crimsun> pretty straightforward, actually:
[05:44] <crimsun> ~/tmp/linux-2.6.32 $ grep -ni initrd .config
[05:44] <crimsun> 106:# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD is not set
[05:45] <crimsun> ot/config-2.6.32-9-generic                                                              <
[05:45] <crimsun> 127:CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD=y
[05:46] <crimsun> i.e., init/initramfs.c
[05:46] <crimsun> see commit 29f1e2 of ubuntu-lucid.git
[05:49] <MTecknology> crimsun: how do you see a certain commit?
[05:49] <crimsun> do you have a local copy of ubuntu-lucid.git ?
[05:49] <MTecknology> ya
[05:50] <MTecknology> I found it on gitweb, but I'd like to learn how to do it with git too
[05:51] <crimsun> git log -p 29f1e2
[05:56] <MTecknology> crimsun: is there any part of kernel work that's simple and easy?
[05:57] <crimsun> MTecknology: sure, there are quite a few classes of low-hanging fruit
[05:58] <MTecknology> crimsun: if I want to just dive in; where would you suggest doing it?
[05:59] <MTecknology> I guess I should go through the .config and where it says something isn't set and set it
[06:00] <crimsun> MTecknology: depending on experience and comfort with C, there're a few ways (at least)
[06:01] <crimsun> MTecknology: the recommended bug lists that Leann releases is one
[06:01] <MTecknology> I know very very little C; mostly only what I learned from bash scripting
[06:02] <crimsun> MTecknology: you could try easing into the janitors project
[06:02] <crimsun> #kernelnewbies, OFTC
[06:03] <MTecknology> where's teh list lean puts out?
[06:03] <crimsun> http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/kernel-buglist.html
[06:06] <MTecknology> crimsun: thanks, I'll muck around that once I have this compile works
[06:12] <MTecknology> crimsun: so the fix should have been to just do CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD=y; right?
[06:13] <crimsun> MTecknology: depends whether you want the simple way
[06:13] <MTecknology> I'd prefer not have any initrd
[06:14] <crimsun> arguably there's little point to async population if you aren't using an initrd, so you could just fix the patch
[06:14] <MTecknology> he, me fix something?
[06:15] <crimsun> I don't know the best way to do it, because I didn't write it, and I don't know the intricate implications of conditionalising that particular code
[06:19] <MTecknology> crimsun: thanks for that info; taught me more than I wanted to learn today :P
[06:21] <MTecknology> crimsun: I tried to built it after setting that and it changed back to is not set
[06:35] <MTecknology> crimsun: that's a big list, non of them look very simple
[10:05] <MTecknology> crimsun: I almost have it... I'm getting this error during but and it hangs at maintainance shell, I do Ctrl+D and it reboots "
[10:05] <MTecknology> mountall: could not connect to Plymouth"
[10:06] <MTecknology> I think it's something to work on for tomorrow... 04:06 here
[10:07] <unggnu> hi all
[10:07] <MTecknology> unggnu: hi
[10:07] <unggnu> What is the status of Nouveau and the Kernel in Lucid?
[10:07] <unggnu> hi MTecknology
[10:09] <MTecknology> unggnu: what's with the nick?
[10:10] <unggnu> MTecknology: ?
[10:10] <MTecknology> why did you pick it?
[10:10] <MTecknology> I kinda like it... the "un-gnu" part
[10:11] <unggnu> MTecknology: I don't know, a palindrome and some other things :D
[10:13] <MTecknology> unggnu: You should apply for Ubuntu membership.. Just looking at the work you've been doing
[10:14] <MTecknology> unggnu: You have any idea what would be needed in the lucid kernel that the lack of would cause this message? "mountall: could not connect to Plymouth"
[10:14] <unggnu> MTecknology: I am pretty sure that the Plymouth part isn't ready yet, at least it wasn't the last time I have checked
[10:16] <MTecknology> unggnu: I'm trying to compile my own slimmed down kernel. I'm using my .config from karmic and trying to make it compile with the lucid source. I got it to compile with the help of crimsun but now when I boot I get that error.
[10:16] <unggnu> MTecknology: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/LucidBootExperience
[10:16] <unggnu> MTecknology: I got this error even with the default Lucid kernel
[10:16] <unggnu> At least some weeks ago
[10:17] <MTecknology> hurray
[10:17] <MTecknology> the current generic kernel gave no errors
[10:19] <MTecknology> unggnu: so summing it up; wait a couple weeks before I try to mess with it again?
[10:23] <unggnu> MTecknology: I still got the message with the generic kernel
[10:23] <unggnu> just switch to terminal f8
[10:24] <MTecknology> brb
[10:31] <MTecknology> unggnu: I couldn't switch to tty8; I couldn't mount anything either; / was mounted but that was it
[10:32] <MTecknology> unggnu: this might just be an issue I need to wait out
[10:32] <MTecknology> it's 04:30 though - I should get some sleep
[10:32] <MTecknology> unggnu: thanks
[10:33] <unggnu> MTecknology: good night :)
[13:14] <tim> hi all, compiling the nvidia kernel module 190.53 for 2.6.33-rc2 fails with the error message http://pastebin.com/d3b8ac89b ... any idea, what is going wrong?
[13:14] <tim> i am running: dkms build -m nvidia -v 190.53  -k 2.6.33-rc2 --kernelsourcedir /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.33-rc2/
[15:42] <rtg> Keybuk, wrt to bug #499491, is building TUN/TAP into the kernel really the right solution? Seems like its a class of problems, e.g., what about other boot essential drivers?
[15:42] <ubot3`> Malone bug 499491 in openvpn "tun module no longer automatically available (was: Euca 1.6.2 fails to boot an instance)" [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/499491
[15:45] <Keybuk> yeah it's a long established class of problems
[15:45] <Keybuk> basically since the introduction of devfs!
[15:45] <Keybuk> things like ppp, tun, etc.
[15:45] <Keybuk> pretty much all "network class" devices
[15:45] <rtg> so, shall I just work around this one?
[15:46] <Keybuk> if the code for them is in a module, the device node doesn't exist in /dev
[15:46] <Keybuk> which means you can't use them without loading the module
[15:46] <Keybuk> but these things are designed to be used by normal users
[15:46] <Keybuk> who can't load the moduel
[15:46] <rtg> there is no real downside to building it in other then size increase
[15:46] <Keybuk> right
[15:46] <Keybuk> and we were force-loading tun anyway before
[15:46] <rtg> ok
[15:47] <Keybuk> which meant it was in the initramfs
[15:47] <Keybuk> which is an even greater size penalty
[15:47] <Keybuk> and wasn't possible to blacklist
[15:48] <Keybuk> ironically, most network class things don't have this problem, because they use sockets not device nodes
[15:48] <Keybuk> and since the socket is opened from userspace
[15:48] <Keybuk> but the "internal open" happens in kernelspace
[15:48] <Keybuk> the kernel *can* call modprobe ;)
[15:48] <rtg> yeah, TUN is special.
[15:48] <Keybuk> (there's a chapter in my book about this :p)
[15:49] <rtg> are you kidding about the book?
[15:50] <Keybuk> no
[15:51] <Keybuk> has been my holiday project to make a start on it
[15:51] <rtg> ah, guess thats why I had not heard about it.
[15:51] <rtg> the kernel team will be at Millbank next week. will you drop by one day?
[15:51] <Keybuk> I'm in Sydney most of next week
[15:51] <Keybuk> the bits of it that I'm not, I'm in the air
[15:52] <Keybuk> but I may drop by on the way to Heathrow if I have some time
[15:52] <rtg> Sydney? I thought linux-conf.au was in NZ this time?
[15:52] <rtg> oh, but its the following week
[15:52] <Keybuk> book is going to be called the Linux Plumbers Handbook, it basically covers the kernel userspace interfaces, and all the bits that plug into them up to the X server
[15:52] <Keybuk> right, Sydney is holida
[15:52] <rtg> cool
[15:52] <Keybuk> I'm not flying half way around the world and not chilling out in Sydney first ;)
[15:53] <ogra> slacker ! you just had one !
[15:53] <ogra> (happy new year etc :) )
[15:54] <Keybuk> ogra: I had very little holiday last year :p
[15:54] <ogra> heh, me too ... as little that david forced me to take december off
[15:55] <Keybuk> and, well
[15:55] <Keybuk> LCA
[15:55] <Keybuk> Sydney holiday is mandatory
[15:55] <ogra> i thik this was the first 3 weeks in a row i ever took since working here
[15:55] <Keybuk> it's one of those airports I refuse to just transit through
[15:55] <Keybuk> because it's a beautiful city
[15:55] <Keybuk> and LCA is in NZ
[15:55] <Keybuk> so I obviously need to take some holiday there too and see the island
[15:55] <rtg> seems like a wise policy to me :)
[15:55] <ogra> yeah, indeed, i wasnt serious :)
[16:56] <Q-FUNK> smb: howdy! :)
[16:56] <Q-FUNK> ogasawara: hi!
[16:57] <Q-FUNK> any suggestion on how to proceed with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/396286
[16:57] <ubot3`> Malone bug 396286 in linux "[Geode LX] [OLPC] 2.6.31-generic: kernel panic near the end of initramfs" [High,In progress]
[16:58] <smb> Q-FUNK, Hi, not a better one than either get the kernel build with the suggestions from hpa or succeed on making them reproduce it
[16:59] <Q-FUNK> smb: it fails to build, here.  it repeatedly dies with a "truncated file" error.
[16:59] <smb> Q-FUNK, are you using ccache?
[16:59] <Q-FUNK> ccache ??
[17:00] <Q-FUNK> probably not.  never heard about it
[17:00] <smb> Q-FUNK, If you don't know, then never mind. :)
[17:01] <Q-FUNK> heck, even simply trying to build the kernel without hpa's patch fails as above.
[17:01] <Q-FUNK> something in either gcc or the kconfig defaults makes it fail to build on this geode.
[17:01] <smb> Q-FUNK, Is there even the slightest chance that your machine could have a hardware problem?
[17:02] <smb> IOW do we have anybody else seeing the same problems as you do on another machine?
[17:02] <Q-FUNK> rolling back to jaunty and building those kernels works.
[17:02] <Q-FUNK> or running any stock kernel package from the ubuntu vanilla collection until 2.6.30 works
[17:03] <Q-FUNK> only vanilla kernel packages after 2.6.30 flatly don't run
[17:04] <Q-FUNK> until 2.6.30, whether self-built, jaunty generic or ubuntu vanilla package, it all works fine
[17:04] <Q-FUNK> it's only since during karmic development phase, after the generic kernel was switched from 2.6.30 to 2.6.31 that generic kernsl fail to run or build.
[17:07] <Q-FUNK> I'm thus wondering whether the kernel might have acquired some new code that makes it fail to boot on older hardware, the same way that changes that came in 2.6.23 make the kernel stop booting on older geode GX1 hardware.
[17:08] <Q-FUNK> well, there's a few people subscribed to the bug, so I'm guessing that others are affected too.
[17:09] <Q-FUNK> or were some defaults changes in -generic that only make it work on 686 or newer?
[17:10] <Q-FUNK> am I supposed to use the -486 kernel on older hardware?
[17:10] <Q-FUNK> erm, sorry, 386
[17:10] <smb> Q-FUNK, The problem was that the bisect went for code that is quite unrelated and also the "working" kernels I build for you were just adding delays. So either its not the real cause and its another patch or there is a hw specific problem that just surfaces in certain timing conditions
[17:10] <Q-FUNK> could be
[17:11] <Q-FUNK> hpa points to some distros having changed GCC defaults as a possible cause.  does that affect ubuntu?
[17:12] <smb> Q-FUNK, I think the main reason for 386 was something else which I don't remember atm. We did not change the gcc options for the kernel build afaik
[17:13] <Q-FUNK> hpa refers to gcc built-in defaults changes
[17:14] <Q-FUNK> well, could hpa's patch be applied to the ubuntu kernel anyhow, just to be safe?
[17:21] <Q-FUNK> smb: I'm curious as to whether a test package of 2.6.32 generic without your kprint additions and with hpa's patch instead would wokr.  however, it flat out fails to build here.
[17:22] <smb> Q-FUNK, I will try to build you a package tomorrow.
[17:23] <Q-FUNK> smb: thanks!
[19:48] <bdmurray> apw: could you update bug 429257 for pitti?
[19:48] <ubot3`> Malone bug 429257 in gvfs "MMC cards no longer auto mount" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/429257
[19:49] <rtg> bdmurray, apw is not back until tomorrow
[19:50] <bdmurray> rtg: okay, maybe he'll see it then ;-)
[20:14] <jarek> Anyone know about Mantis drivers for Ubuntu 10.04?
[20:14] <jarek> They exist in linux-next now
[20:16] <jarek> a lot of people waiting for this driver, also its shouldn't mess anything
[20:17] <jarek> is possible to backport this driver?
[20:59] <lamont> anybody got thoughts on 503109 ? other than that it's a eglibc issue
[21:22] <MTecknology> If you guys put the "view" of Linux into one line, what would it be?
[21:22] <MTecknology> fully free and open wouldn't work because some proprietary code exists afaik..