[00:00] <fatharrahman> http://paste.ubuntu.com/540847/
[00:00] <fatharrahman> I did that before
[00:02] <fatharrahman> gpg: Signature made Wed 08 Dec 2010 01:40:00 AM EAT using RSA key ID D1214575
[00:02] <fatharrahman> gpg: Good signature from "Fatharrahman Tijany<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:03] <maxb> The content that you pasted is missing three lines from the top
[00:03] <maxb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
[00:03] <maxb> Hash: SHA1
[00:03] <maxb> and a blank
[00:03] <fatharrahman> these three lines when there
[00:04] <fatharrahman> an error came saying the code of conduct is not the same
[00:04] <fatharrahman> they were tow errors
[00:05] <fatharrahman> after erasing the lines remain this one
[00:05] <fatharrahman> should I paste it again?
[00:05] <maxb> erasing the lines will have made things worse. put them back
[00:05] <fatharrahman> fully?
[00:05] <fatharrahman> ok
[00:06] <maxb> no need, those lines are constant, so I don't need them
[00:07] <maxb> You appear to have added your full name to the bottom of the CoC before gpg-signing it
[00:07] <maxb> This is most likely what's broken it
[00:07] <maxb> The text must remain exactly the same
[00:07] <fatharrahman> oh I added nothing
[00:07] <fatharrahman> only copy paste
[00:08] <maxb> fatharrahman: No, in what you pasted, "Fatharrahman Abbashar Alfaky Tijany" appears at the end. You must have added that, because there's no inserted name when I download the CoC from Launchpad
[00:09] <fatharrahman> I did not
[00:10] <fatharrahman> i found it like this in the txt
[00:10] <fatharrahman> how can I confirm to you?
[00:11] <fatharrahman> now fully pated the same error
[00:11] <fatharrahman> There is 1 error.
[00:11] <fatharrahman> The signed text does not match the Code of Conduct. Make sure that you signed the correct text (white space differences are acceptable).
[00:12] <fatharrahman> this error was the first one
[00:13] <maxb> So, you're saying that when you download the file from https://launchpad.net/codeofconduct/1.1/+download, you get a file with your name on the last line?
[00:13] <aaron01> I'm getting "bzr: ERROR: No such file: foo" when trying to branch of LP. Any pointers?
[00:13] <fatharrahman> no
[00:13] <maxb> aaron01: say the exact bzr command line you are executing
[00:14] <fatharrahman> my name was not in the downloaded file
[00:14] <aaron01> maxb: bzr branch lp:~pantheon-developers/pantheon/response_update
[00:14] <maxb> fatharrahman: Right, exactly what I said. You added it. That is what has broken the validation when you try to upload it
[00:14] <fatharrahman> no
[00:15] <fatharrahman> I did not add any thing
[00:15] <fatharrahman> may be the terminal add it
[00:15] <fatharrahman> I did not
[00:15] <spiv> fatharrahman: well, regardless of what added it, it is the problem.
[00:16] <fatharrahman> maybe it is in the key but I did not write anything
[00:16] <spiv> fatharrahman: you need to sign the text of https://launchpad.net/codeofconduct/1.1/+download, without any text added or removed.
[00:16] <fatharrahman> should I erase it and try?
[00:16] <maxb> aaron01: That branch is apparently damaged on Launchpad. Data is missing from it
[00:17] <spiv> fatharrahman: yes
[00:17] <fatharrahman> ok
[00:17] <aaron01> maxb: any way to fix?
[00:18] <fatharrahman> this is the result after I erased my name
[00:18] <fatharrahman> There is 1 error.
[00:18] <fatharrahman> (7, 8, u'Bad signature')
[00:19] <maxb> aaron01: aha, the problem is with the pantheon trunk / trunk-old rename, and a bug in launchpad
[00:20] <aaron01> maxb: will renaming back resolve issue?
[00:20] <maxb> Launchpad knows that after the rename, response_update is supposed to be stacked on trunk-old, but Launchpad currently does not update the bzr-level metadata when a branch on which others are stacked is renamed
[00:20] <fatharrahman> please?
[00:21] <maxb> aaron01: There is an easy fix, if you are in ~pantheon-developers?
[00:21] <aaron01> maxb: yes
[00:21] <aaron01> I am
[00:21] <maxb> If you download this small script I wrote: http://j.maxb.eu/~maxb/bzr-set-stacked-url
[00:21] <maxb> you can run 'bzr-set-stacked-url lp:~pantheon-developers/pantheon/response_update lp:~pantheon-developers/pantheon/trunk-old'
[00:22] <spiv> maxb: hmm, I'm a bit surprised that a stacking issue manifests at tree build time rather than sooner.  Hmm.
[00:22] <spiv> Only a bit, though.
[00:22] <maxb> spiv: yeah, odd
[00:22] <maxb> aaron01: What is the nature of trunk vs. trunk-old ?
[00:22] <fatharrahman> hello
[00:23] <fatharrahman> erased my name or leave it the same error
[00:24] <aaron01> maxb: Someone else did the change, but I believe the idea is that we are moving our active development to github, but will maintain mirror on launchpad (which is now trunk, I believe). trunk-old (I'm guessing) is at the point of moving the code to github
[00:24] <spiv> fatharrahman: so you downloaded a fresh copy of https://launchpad.net/codeofconduct/1.1/+download and signed that?  Does it pass a local gpg --verify?
[00:25] <fatharrahman> yes
[00:26] <fatharrahman> gpg: Signature made Wed 08 Dec 2010 01:40:00 AM EAT using RSA key ID D1214575
 gpg: Good signature from "Fatharrahman Tijany<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:26] <maxb> aaron01, spiv: Ah, right, it's a bzr-git import of a git conversion of the bzr trunk-old. Huh. OK.
[00:27] <maxb> I am very surprised bzr didn't error out before getting to tree building
[00:28] <spiv> fatharrahman: pastebin what you tried pasting into the form?
[00:29] <aaron01> maxb: :) I'll talk it over with the person that set it up, maybe come up with a better solution. Thanks for your help
[00:29] <fatharrahman> spiv : http://paste.ubuntu.com/540860/
[00:32] <spiv> fatharrahman: once again your name is in the signed text
[00:33] <maxb> aaron01: Just to be clear, nothing wrong was done here, it's just a stupid bug in Launchpad that no one has worked out the proper solution for yet
[00:34] <fatharrahman> I did not type that name into text and when I erase my name it gave me the same error
[00:34] <fatharrahman> spiv
[00:35] <spiv> fatharrahman: well, something is adding it.  Perhaps the program you use to save https://launchpad.net/codeofconduct/1.1/+download to disk?
[00:35] <fatharrahman> I downloaded the code of conduct the signed throgh terminal  open it copy paste only
[00:35] <aaron01> maxb: but your restacking script should work in this case, correct?
[00:36] <fatharrahman> my name is not added to the downloaded text
[00:36] <fatharrahman> it is open now too
[00:36] <fatharrahman> with getid
[00:37] <maxb> aaron01: Yes. All the script does is to drive the bzrlib API to reset the stacking location to where it actually now is
[00:41] <fatharrahman> spiv : I found my name automatically in the UbuntuCodeofConduct-1.1.txt.asc it is not in the downloaded tet so if the name is the problem and erasing the name is not solving it why not change the options of the key or signature but how?
[00:42] <fatharrahman> only guessing
[00:43] <spiv> fatharrahman: how are you generating your UbuntuCodeofConduct-1.1.txt.asc ?
[00:44] <fatharrahman> through terminal command: gpg --clearsign UbuntuCodeofConduct-1.1.txt
[00:46] <spiv> fatharrahman: what does "tail -1 UbuntuCodeofConduct-1.1.txt" output?
[00:50] <fatharrahman> spiv: a gap
[00:51] <spiv> fatharrahman: yet somehow the final line of the signed text is not a blank line.
[00:51] <spiv> Odd.
[00:54] <fatharrahman> spiv
[00:54] <fatharrahman> you are a magician
[00:54] <spiv> What did I do? :)
[00:55] <fatharrahman> you are wright it worked I erased my name and tow other lines and yes it is signed
[00:55] <fatharrahman> Thank you very much
[00:55] <spiv> You're welcome!
[00:56] <fatharrahman> you dont know it is a two days effort
[00:56] <fatharrahman> :)
[00:59] <fatharrahman> should I remove bug report spiv
[01:00] <fatharrahman> ?
[01:06] <spiv> fatharrahman: probably
[03:11] <wgrant> lamont: Is buttercup unwell?
[03:21] <aroman> hey all, I'm working on a new app that is currently in alpha right now, but I could really use bugs/support in improving the app's experience. What is the best way to get people interested in this project? It's on launchpad with a PPA right now.
[03:24] <spm> wgrant: yes
[03:24] <spm> it is, as in.
[03:25] <wgrant> spm: How can you tell?
[03:25] <CarlFK> aroman: find groups that will want to use your app and announce it.  try not to be too spammy
[03:25] <spm> nagios alert is showing it as "ABORTING...."
[03:25] <wgrant> spm: That's what I suspected.
[03:25] <wgrant> But I didn't know you had Nagios alerts for that. That's good.
[03:26] <spm> yeah. they're a bit of a red fatigue tho. almost always one is broken in some way. and trying to have individual alerts for individual builders is insanity making.
[03:28] <ScottK> spm: You just have to make them reliable that it's not.
[03:28] <wgrant> Are they all PandaBoards yet?
[04:54] <MTecknology> crap... I accidentally uploaded -3-ppa4 instead of -3ppa4 and now I can't uploade -3ppa5
[04:56] <cody-somerville> MTecknology, If you delete -3-ppa4 it might let you upload -3ppa4
[04:56] <MTecknology> cody-somerville: worked- thanks :)
[05:08] <MTecknology> How can the 'Bug supervisor:' be set in a source package in ubuntu in lp?
[05:08] <MTecknology> -> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx
[05:13] <wgrant> MTecknology: Source packages don't have bug supervisors. The field on that page is referring to the upstream project, not the source package.
[05:14] <MTecknology> wgrant: oh.. How could I subscribe to bugs for that source package?
[05:15] <wgrant> MTecknology: Look at the top of the sidebar.
[05:16] <MTecknology> wgrant: oh... right in a nice obvious place :P
[05:16] <MTecknology> thanks
[06:16] <dnivra> hello. I am trying to check out a branch when i get "Permission denied(public key)". I am pretty sure that I uploaded the public key properly. so what is wrong?
[06:19] <spiv> dnivra: what does "ssh -v -l <your_launchpad_username> bazaar.launchpad.net" say?
[06:20] <spiv> (It will print a lot of debug output, including which keys it is trying)
[06:22] <dnivra> spiv, http://paste.ubuntu.com/540915/.
[06:23] <spiv> Ah, "Agent admitted failure to sign using the key."
[06:24] <spiv> You probably need to run "ssh-add"
[06:24] <dnivra> but that is only if the key files have a name different from id_rsa and id_rsa.pub right?
[06:24] <dnivra> my key files are both in ~/.ssh/.
[06:24] <dnivra> i mean both the key files are in ~/.ssh/
[06:25] <spiv> I'm not sure exactly what configuration causes the agent to be involved and fail.
[06:26] <dnivra> Step 5 of https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/CreatingAnSSHKeyPair says what i just said.
[06:26] <spiv> A few users come into this channel with that error though, and ssh-add fixes or works around the problem.
[06:26] <dnivra> alright I shall give it a shot then.
[06:26] <spiv> Well,
[06:26] <spiv> That's *one* reason to use ssh-add
[06:27] <spiv> Agents solve other problems, like saving you from retyping your passphrase every time you connect.
[06:27] <dnivra> i should just do it for the private key? or both keys?
[06:28] <spiv> (and there are other possible solutions if you use key files with different names)
[06:28] <dnivra> guess I'll start over then. let's hope that solves it.
[06:28] <spiv> Just try "ssh-add"
[06:28] <dnivra> for the private or public key or both?
[06:29] <spiv> With no arguments.
[06:29] <dnivra> okay
[06:29] <spiv> Sorry, I should have phrased that as "try just ssh-add" :)
[06:30] <dnivra> it's okay. working now. guess ssh-add was needed. someone should edit https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/CreatingAnSSHKeyPair and it as possible step 6 maybe.
[06:31] <dnivra> just to ensure that it does work when they try to pull branches and stuff and not generate this error.
[06:31] <dnivra> thanks spiv!
[06:36] <spiv> It'd be nice to know why this happens :/
[06:36] <dnivra> isn't it supposed to add it to the ssh agent by default?
[06:36] <dnivra> since it is the default filename after all.
[06:37] <dnivra> perhaps ssh-add is not executed at all after a new key is generated?
[06:39] <spiv> Well, if the agent doesn't have the unencrypted key, then I'd expect the client would just prompt for a passphrase as it does when there is no agent.
[06:40] <spiv> (separately the error message the ssh client emits in this case could be more helpful)
[06:40] <dnivra> well client prompting for passphrase does happen. so perhaps ssh-keygen should check is passphrase is blank and auto add?
[06:43] <spiv> Oh, that's even weirder!  If it prompts for the passphrase then I don't see why you'd get an authentication failure.
[06:43] <dnivra> oh no no no prompting happens when there is a passphrase. it doesn't when I leave passphrase is blank like i did now.
[06:44] <dnivra> i meant prompting does happen in general :), not any specific case.
[06:57] <spiv> Woah, the https://launchpad.net/bugs/NNNNNN redirect is broken?
[06:58] <spiv> Hmm, not for all bugs.
[06:59] <spiv> https://launchpad.net/bug/687226 is 404
[06:59] <spiv> Even though https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/687226 exists.
[07:02] <spiv> Oh, hmm, "bug" != "bugs".  I wonder where that typoed creeped into this URL.
[08:52] <Daviey> Hi, Is it possible to find out what arches a source package should be built on using the launchpad api?
[08:53] <Daviey> (a source package already in LP)
[08:56] <wgrant> Daviey: No. You could check what it was last built on, but otherwise you'd need to manually parse P-a-s.
[08:56] <wgrant> Why?
[08:58] <Daviey> wgrant: I wanted to use the logic already in LP, rather than parsing *.dsc myself - or using quinn-diff.... doing a local rebuild of a packageset.
[08:59] <YoBoY> hi
[08:59] <wgrant> Daviey: You might as well just check which archs the last upload built on.
[09:00] <Daviey> wgrant: Hmm... would that return i386 for arch' any, and seperate arches for all?
[09:00] <Daviey> ... and other crazy logic?
[09:00] <wgrant> Daviey: Other way around.
[09:00] <Daviey> err, yeah - sorry. :)
[09:00] <wgrant> Daviey: It will return the actually arches on which it was built. Not 'all' or 'linux-any' or that sort of thing.
[09:01] <Daviey> wgrant: nice!  thanks.
[09:02] <Daviey> wgrant: Looking at the API doc, i would need to getPackageUploads and find the package, then inspect package_upload, right?
[09:04] <wgrant> Daviey: I'd probably use getPublishedSources to get a source_package_publishing_history, then call getBuilds on that.
[09:04] <Daviey> ah, thanks for your help wgrant, as ever - appreciated :)
[09:05] <wgrant> np
[09:05] <wgrant> If you really wanted the LP logic you could do a rebuild in a (local?) LP, but I guess that's pointless if you already have rebuild infrastructure.
[09:07] <Daviey> wgrant: yeah good idea... not sure i need the heavyweight nature of LP tho...  and pushing n packages to a PPA looking for regressions feels a waste of resources.
[09:09] <wgrant> I'm pretty sure it's now easier to set up temporarily than just about any other archive/rebuild manager. But probably not if you have something existing.
[09:10] <MTecknology> Destination series: p-series  <--  Huh??
[09:10] <wgrant> MTecknology: Hm?
[09:10] <Daviey> wgrant: yeah, have something already - thanks.
[09:11] <MTecknology> wgrant: p-series and o-series are options for what series I want to copy my package binaries to
[09:11] <MTecknology> are they supposed to be hidden?
[09:11] <wgrant> MTecknology: Ah, looks like someone has created p and o early.
[09:12] <wgrant> They probably shouldn't be shown in that list.
[09:12] <wgrant> But a copy to them will fail.
[09:13] <MTecknology> also.. I REALLY wish it was possible to rebuild packages in the same ppa but for a different series
[09:15] <MTecknology> like.. I uploaded package-0.1.3-0ppa1~lucid; I want to build that for karmic too; obviously I can't 'copy' the binaries because the dependencies will cause issues.. since most dependencies are package >= 1.2.3
[09:15] <wgrant> Can you upload to karmic first then copy to lucid?
[09:16] <MTecknology> I could, but there's issues with goign forward too - like not being built against the same toolchain the rest of the system was built against
[09:17] <MTecknology> I've been considering writing a script to do it for me
[09:17] <wgrant> You know that's how most Ubuntu packages work, right?
[09:17] <MTecknology> the hard part would be version numbering
[09:17] <MTecknology> is it?
[09:17] <wgrant> We don't rebuild everything for every release.
[09:17] <YoBoY> sorry to ask, but how to make private the archives of a launchpad mailing list ?
[09:17] <wgrant> YoBoY: You need to have a private team for that. They're available with a commercial subscription.
[09:18] <MTecknology> oh..
[09:19] <MTecknology> I've been waiting for this darned package to publish for a while now.. so I can copy and go nappy
[09:19] <MTecknology> woohoo - one of the php builds finished
[09:20] <YoBoY> ok... I see... it's why i can't find this "private" option ^^" the help.launchpad.net don't talk about that
[09:20] <MTecknology> wgrant: I'm kind of surprised by that..
[09:20] <wgrant> MTecknology: Hm?
[09:20] <MTecknology> that most packages aren't rebuilt
[09:21] <YoBoY> wgrant: thanks :)
[09:21] <wgrant> MTecknology: It would take weeks to open a new series if we did.
[09:21] <wgrant> Waiting for everything to rebuild.
[09:21] <MTecknology> ubuntu advantage- interesting
[09:22] <wgrant> MTecknology: We even have some packages which haven't been rebuilt since Wart.
[09:22] <wgrant> +y
[09:22] <wgrant> http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/mdt/unchanged/unchanged_since_warty
[09:22] <MTecknology> wgrant: makes sense- is there anything specific that is rebuilt- or is it just whatever doesn't break?
[09:23] <wgrant> MTecknology: The latter.
[09:23] <wgrant> Occasionally we will deliberately rebuild some things, if there are relevant toolchain performance or security improvements.
[09:24] <MTecknology> how hard is it to know which packages would get a performance boost from being rebuilt?
[09:26] <MTecknology> btw- Warty is when I started using Ubuntu
[09:26] <wgrant> Me too.
[09:26] <wgrant> It's been a while!
[09:26] <MTecknology> err.. lied - hoary, within days of its release
[09:27] <MTecknology> why were there no official releases of ubuntu before 4.10 though?
[09:27] <wgrant> Ubuntu only came into existence in mid-2004...
[09:27] <MTecknology> ..... dumb question
[09:28] <MTecknology> I knew the date relevance - it just took me this long to finally realize that's why there's nothing before 4.10 ... wow
[09:28] <wgrant> Heh.
[09:28] <MTecknology> http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/mdt/unchanged/unchanged_since_maverick <- nice long list
[09:29] <wgrant> Yup.
[09:29] <MTecknology> curl http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/mdt/unchanged/unchanged_since_maverick | wc -l   12510
[09:29] <wgrant> ie. most of the archive
[09:30] <MTecknology> I vote for rebuilding the whole thing every five years!
[09:32] <MTecknology> wgrant: I had to try..   nginx 0.9.2-0ppa5 in lucid (Source format '3.0 (quilt)' not supported by target series o-series.)
[09:32] <wgrant> MTecknology: Exactly as I suspected.
[09:32] <MTecknology> same error when I tried to push to karmic
[09:41] <MTecknology> wgrant: is there a cron job that runs around every hour or (XXmin) that looks for unpublished and completed builds and builds that downloadable list for the package manager for the whole ppa?
[09:42] <wgrant> MTecknology: It's meant to run every 5 minutes. But it's being a bit slow at the moment.
[09:43] <MTecknology> oh
[09:43] <bigjools> it will get quicker later today
[09:44] <MTecknology> does the upload work the same way?
[09:44] <MTecknology> cron job that runs around seeing if anything needs to be done?
[09:44] <bigjools> it's a cron job, yes
[09:44] <YoBoY> bye
[09:44] <MTecknology> is that one 5min too?
[09:45] <wgrant> It is.
[09:45] <MTecknology> this one has been 'uploading'z for 6min- I guess it should be done pretty soon :)
[09:46] <MTecknology> bigjools: I see by later you mean 15min?
[09:46] <bigjools> :)
[09:46] <MTecknology> and it's not 'today' it's night
[09:46] <MTecknology> duh..
[09:46] <bigjools> there's only one time, that's UTC
[09:46] <bigjools> which happens to be my time zone :)
[09:47] <MTecknology> nice
[09:47] <bigjools> not so much at this time of year
[09:47] <MTecknology> I don't know if I'm -0500 or -0600 right now
[09:47] <MTecknology> I think it might be -0500
[09:49] <MTecknology> Well that's irritating... my package is published but aptitude is telling me that an update will bring me to the wrong version..
[09:49] <MTecknology> it's saying 0.9.1-ppa3; it's actually 0.9.2-ppa5 that I want
[09:50] <MTecknology> 11min and still not uploaded
[09:50] <wgrant> MTecknology: It's probably turned off for the rollout in a few minutes.
[09:50] <MTecknology> oh...
[09:51] <MTecknology> I was just assuming it's because there's something like 30MB or so to upload
[09:51] <MTecknology> [UPLOADING] Uploading build on pluot (virtual)
[09:52] <MTecknology> I'd ask for an estimated down time - but I'll just assume it'll be at least three hours....
[09:52] <wgrant> It should be under 90 minutes.
[09:52] <MTecknology> that'll be juyst long enough for me to force myself to sleep
[09:53] <MTecknology> wgrant: you mean 180, right?
[09:53] <MTecknology> :P
[09:53] <MTecknology> It's 03:53 here..
[09:54] <MTecknology> g'night
[09:54] <wgrant> Night.
[10:18] <MTecknology> i lied
[10:18] <MTecknology> wgrant: so.. the package was build, uploaded, and published - shouldn't I be able to install it via apt now?
[10:21] <jfi> the package must be published to the ppa repository before, it takes several minutes
[10:23] <maxb> MTecknology: source & binary published? or just source?
[10:24] <jfi> it seens that LP is under maintenance actually "Launchpad is undergoing maintenance and is in read-only mode. You cannot make any changes."
[10:24] <MTecknology> maxb: pretty green check mark next to the package
[10:25] <maxb> hmm. You should be fine then
[10:25] <maxb> I would suggest checking whether the package is present in the Packages file under http://ppa.launchpad.net/
[10:26] <MTecknology> maxb: yup- it's in there
[10:26] <maxb> Then any problem is occurring with your local apt, I think
[10:27] <MTecknology> heh...
[10:27] <MTecknology> must be - I even see it at the right version in the Packages file
[10:27] <MTecknology> ..
[10:27] <MTecknology> Packages == control ??
[10:27] <maxb> ?
[10:28] <MTecknology> http://ppa.launchpad.net/nginx/development/ubuntu/dists/lucid/main/binary-amd64/Packages
[10:28] <MTecknology> That looks exactly like what's in debian/control
[10:28] <MTecknology> just a few extra thigns like md5sum
[10:28] <maxb> same general format, different fields
[10:33] <Daviey> wgrant: Hmm... seems for my use, source_package_publishing_history only returns what it was built for on the series request - not packages that came from previous releases :(
[10:33] <wgrant> Daviey: Ah, fair point.
[10:34]  * Daviey screams :)
[12:14] <wolfer> hi. i would like to rename a project on launchpad. setting a different name is easy, but I would also like to change the launchpadID
[12:19] <wgrant> wolfer: Ask a question at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion, and an admin will take care of that for you.
[12:20] <wolfer> i will try that, thanks wgrant
[13:35] <xnox> What are my options to stop receiving FTBFS emails from daily-build PPA? The mail is currently hitting the team contact adress -> mailing list.
[13:35] <soren> xnox: Which daily build ppa is this?
[13:36] <xnox> ppa:pkgcrosswire/daily
[13:36] <xnox> "Mine / ours"
[13:37] <soren> Ah.
[13:37] <soren> You could fix the ftbfs :)
[13:37] <xnox> True =) but it happened three times and we have received
[13:37] <xnox> We get ~16 emails when it breaks =)
[13:38] <xnox> or something like that.
[13:38] <xnox> Should I move it to a different team?
[13:38] <xnox> Or can it at least email just one person not the whole mailing list?
[14:47] <pcjc2> Hi guys, was just wondering if it is possible to import bugs from Sourceforge if we wanted to switch over to using LP for bug tracking completely?
[15:01] <sinzui> pcjc2, yes. There is a script that can do that. let me look for it
[15:01] <pcjc2> I do appologise, must have closed the window
[15:03] <sinzui> pcjc2, https://launchpad.net/sfbugs2launchpad
[15:03] <pcjc2> super, thanks
[15:03] <pcjc2> I thought it was something only admins could do
[15:04] <sinzui> pcjc2, It may require someone form the bug team to do some work
[15:05] <pcjc2> at the moment, I have tentative approval to move our bugs to Launchpad, but will be doing some discussion with other developers and stakeholders to ensure everyone is happy
[15:05] <pcjc2> will take a poke at sfbugs2launchpad, and call in the admins for help once I know how we are proceeding
[15:05] <pcjc2> thanks for the pointer!
[15:06] <benji> pcjc2: https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/ImportFormat and https://launchpad.net/sfbugs2launchpad might be of interest to you; someone else might have better suggestions
[15:07] <pcjc2> Thanks, sinzui pointed me to the latter already
[15:07] <benji> ah, cool
[16:24] <matthewg42> Hi, is there a method to get download counts from a pariciular PPA and/or packaging in the main repos?
[16:24] <bigjools> matthewg42: very nearly, it's not quite switched on yetr
[16:24] <bigjools> yet*
[16:25] <matthewg42> bigjools: oh good.  thanks.  is there a news feed or something which I can monitor to be notified when it happens?
[16:25] <bigjools> there's a bug, let me dig it up
[16:26] <bigjools> https://bugs.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/139855
[16:30] <matthewg42> thank you very much
[16:30] <bigjools> I am about to add a new comment on the bug detailing some actions
[16:31] <matthewg42> subscribed
[16:31] <matthewg42> what about the main repos for ubuntu?
[16:33] <bigjools> matthewg42: nobody has those stats (and it would be vey hard to obtain them because of mirroring), they will only be supplied for PPAs.
[16:33] <bigjools> very*
[16:34] <jpds> matthewg42: Or you can use popcon.ubuntu.com.
[16:56] <SpamapS> https://edge.launchpad.net/+apidoc/devel.html#binary_package_publishing_history
[16:56] <SpamapS> wooooot!
[17:03] <zyga> is launchpad down?
[17:07] <jpds> zyga: No?
[17:07] <matthewg42> bigjools: jpds: ok thanks.  I was wondering if there was a problem because of mirroring.  Tricky if the mirror network has one-way only communication.
[17:07] <matthewg42> popcon is opt-in right?
[17:08] <jpds> matthewg42: Yes.
[17:10] <matthewg42> Is there any guesstimate of the proportion of users who opt-in?
[17:11] <matthewg42> somewhere between 0 and 100% I guess.
[17:11] <bigjools> I'd say that guesstimate is 100% correct
[17:19] <matthewg42> haha
[17:19] <matthewg42> ok, thanks for your help guys.  later
[18:37] <MTecknology> wgrant: heh.. day after we talk about rebuilds - things being uploaded without changes to be rebuilt with the newer python. :P
[18:38] <lamont> let's try that again... wgrant: you around?
[18:39] <MTecknology> lamont: hm?
[18:39] <lamont> I'd asked if he was around and then discovered that I wasn't exactly online
[18:39] <MTecknology> He's marked as being away - probably sleeping
[18:40] <lamont> oh, doh. my tz oops
[18:40]  * lamont is temporally shifted this week
[20:42] <pcjc2> Hi, so I've done an export of one of our sites Sourceforge bugs as a launchpad XML file
[20:42] <pcjc2> Is there anyway I can play with that on staging.launchpad.net without having to bother admins?
[20:42] <pcjc2> I'd love to be able to try some different options on the export
[20:50] <sinzui> pcjc2, no. Someone from the bugs team needs to load it. but I am sure they would be happy to load the data into staging
[20:51] <sinzui> pcjc2,I do not think anyone from the team is available at this hour :(
[20:52] <pcjc2> no problem, I guess they are mostly UK based ?
[20:52] <pcjc2> (Like me , only this is a hobby, not work)
[20:53] <pcjc2> I was just looking to see if there was some APi which I could use, but it doesn't look like it can be done that way yet
[22:09] <wgrant> lamont: Morning.
[23:07] <sconklin> How can I solve this problem? - A source package containing an incorrect .orig.tar.gz (which had the correct file name) was uploaded to a ppa, and now I need to make that orig.tar.gz go away, or replace it with the correct one.
[23:09] <wgrant> sconklin: You can't. That doesn't make sense.
[23:09] <wgrant> sconklin: You need to give it a new name.
[23:09] <sconklin> wgrant: in this case, we can't because it's a kernel package. The package was built against the wrong PPA.
[23:10] <wgrant> sconklin: You can.
[23:10] <sconklin> wgrant: by giving it a gratuitous ABI bump?
[23:11] <wgrant> Ah, I see.
[23:11] <wgrant> Well, you cannot upload a different orig.tar.gz to the PPA.
[23:13] <sconklin> well, there is now a tarball up there that does not accurately represent the actual upstream package of that version, which is a problem by itself.
[23:14] <wgrant> How did such a lie come into existence?
[23:14] <wgrant> One should not be repackaging upstream tarballs.
[23:14] <micahg> wgrant: would uploading a .bz2 version work? (assuming source format 3)
[23:14] <sconklin> wgrant: I agree. I did not do it.
[23:15] <wgrant> micahg: Yes, but ew.
[23:15] <micahg> sconklin: ^^
[23:15] <sconklin> a point release upstream kernel tarball was apparently renamed to have the base version name, and used
[23:15] <wgrant> Yaaaay.
[23:16] <sconklin> I don't know who did that, actually. As a result, we're discussing how to make sure it never happens again
[23:43] <maxb> this is weird
[23:43] <maxb> what on earth are people thinking when they request  svn vcs import from "https://launchpad.net/ocsinventory-deploy-tool/trunk" ?!


[03:51] <pitti> Good morning
[03:51] <pitti> jcastro: you normally assign it to canonical-desktop-team
[03:52] <pitti> hey robert_ancell
[03:52] <pitti> charlie-tca, robert_ancell: there's usually three options:
[03:52] <pitti> (1) don't ship a config file at all, and use sensible internal defaults
[03:53] <pitti> (2) use ucf to maintain the config file instead of dpkg, i. e. ship it in /usr/share/
[03:53] <pitti> (3) provide an override location, i. e. /etc/.../foo.d/ or /etc/.../foo.custom
[04:03] <ejat> good morning pitti
[04:08] <robert_ancell> pitti, the main issue with (1) is the config file contains the GTK+ theme (GTK+ defaults to something inappropriate), so you really need some file
[04:10] <pitti> robert_ancell: hm, then the easiest one might be (3)?
[04:10] <robert_ancell> pitti, yeah I guess so.  Is .custom the convention to follow?
[04:10] <pitti> robert_ancell: btw, did you see my lightdm MP for the "write files as root" issue?
[04:10] <pitti> robert_ancell: actually not, it should end in .conf
[04:11] <pitti> robert_ancell: perhapps <greetername>-custom.conf?
[04:11] <pitti> I have /etc/lightdm/unity-greeter.conf, there could be a /etc/lightdm/unity-greeter-custom.conf ?
[04:11] <pitti> robert_ancell: it's not a very common scenario (most packages use .d/ dirs, as they are more flexible), so there's no real convention
[04:11] <robert_ancell> pitti, yup, does it need any conditional compilation, i.e. will it work on normal unix systems?
[04:12] <pitti> robert_ancell: yes, but you need GNU libc now, for setresuid()
[04:12] <robert_ancell> I think that's a given nowadays right?
[04:12] <pitti> well
[04:12] <pitti> CONFORMING TO
[04:12] <pitti>        These calls are nonstandard; they also appear on HP-UX and some of  the
[04:12] <pitti>        BSDs.
[04:12] <pitti> i. e. it will hopefully also work under kfreebsd
[04:12] <pitti> but there is no "more standard" replacement
[04:13] <pitti> robert_ancell: if it becomes a problem, the code could be rewritten to use fork() and setuid()
[04:13] <pitti> but fork() makes it a lot more complicated, too
[04:21] <TheMuso> Morning pitti.
[04:21] <pitti> hey TheMuso, how are you?
[04:21] <TheMuso> pitti: Not too bad thanks, finally getting more spring weather here. Yourself?
[04:22] <pitti> a bit tired still, but quite fine, thanks!
[04:29] <pitti> uh, what is that: /tmp/unity_support_test.0
[04:30] <pitti> robert_ancell: ^ I suppose that's something didrocks did to gnome-session or the lightdm session?
[04:30] <robert_ancell> pitti, it's run inside the unity-greeter to do the test before unity starts
[04:31] <pitti> ah, does unity_support_test create that tmp file then?
[04:33] <robert_ancell> pitti, afaik, I haven't looked a the patch in detail
[04:33] <robert_ancell> it's not created by anything else I know
[04:33] <pitti> robert_ancell: ok, thanks; will talk to Didier
[04:33] <pitti> or file/look for a bug
[05:55] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner_, I sent you a new unity-greeter, can you please test?
[05:56] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: yup... (jason fires up email...this might be a bad thing...trying to avoid email for a bit today ;) )
[06:08] <rickspencer3> didrocks, I'm updating right now
[06:08] <rickspencer3> should I resinstall the music lens too?
[06:08] <didrocks> rickspencer3: hey, yeah, you should try reinstalling it
[06:08] <rickspencer3> ok
[06:09] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[06:09] <didrocks> guten morgen pitti :)
[06:09] <pitti> hey rickspencer3
[06:09] <rickspencer3> aaah, this "mouse over the menu bug" is driving me crazy
[06:09] <rickspencer3> bonjour pitti et didrocks
[06:09] <didrocks> rickspencer3: I'm making up a list for today for dx about bugs to fix for this release
[06:09] <didrocks> rickspencer3: this one is on the list :)
[06:09] <rickspencer3> didrocks, this one better freaking be on it!
[06:10] <didrocks> rickspencer3: you mean, clicking on a menu and then using the key arrows?
[06:10] <rickspencer3> didrocks, yes
[06:10] <didrocks> just to be sured to not be fired to not choose the right one :p
[06:10] <rickspencer3> I made a Ubuntu/Onereirc task for it yesterday and set it to High ;)
[06:11] <rickspencer3> didrocks, well, the random compiz crasher is a bit serious too :)
[06:12] <didrocks> rickspencer3: yeah, some are already fixed in trunk, there are still 2 popular ones that are not. I added them
[06:12] <rickspencer3> great
[06:12] <rickspencer3> thanks
[06:12] <didrocks> and the stuck switcher should be fixed as well
[06:12] <rickspencer3> mine was pretty popular
[06:12] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: just back http://paste.ubuntu.com/688872/ same lag
[06:13] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner_, did you see the white flash?
[06:13] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: no, white flash was gone
[06:13] <didrocks> rickspencer3: yeah, seemed to have a lot of fans :)
[06:13] <robert_ancell> ok, well that's something I guess
[06:13] <rickspencer3> new xchat-gnome, interesting
[06:13] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: :)
[06:13] <rickspencer3> I don't see a new compiz :/
[06:13] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: let me know if you see anything in the logs...such a mystery!
[06:14] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner_, is this from a full reboot, or just a log out / log in ?
[06:14] <rickspencer3> alright, all up to date, brb
[06:15] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner_, the log makes it look like the X server is taking a long time.  The jumps in the log are when there's round trips to it
[06:16] <robert_ancell> bryceh, did you get the xdiagnose stuff working with lightdm?
[06:16] <robert_ancell> RAOF, ^ or you :)
[06:18] <rickspencer3> I'm back
[06:18] <rickspencer3> does anyone know an easy way to clear my zeitgeist history?
[06:19] <didrocks> rickspencer3: the whole one or just the fts (indexed file content) one?
[06:20] <rickspencer3> didrocks, I dunno
[06:20] <rickspencer3> just so I can do a video and not have my file browsing history show up in my dash
[06:20] <didrocks> rickspencer3: the whole one I guess so, one sec
[06:20] <didrocks> rickspencer3: ~/.local/share/zeitgeist
[06:21] <didrocks> you want to either mv or remove it
[06:21] <rickspencer3> heh
[06:21] <didrocks> rickspencer3: kill maybe zeitgeist-daemon and zeitgeist-datahub before
[06:21] <rickspencer3> didrocks, I wrote an app that set all the files in that dir to read only and then back when the app was quit
[06:21] <rickspencer3> but I never finished it
[06:22] <rickspencer3> I thought it would be nice to have a "private" mode for using your 'puter
[06:22] <pitti> the "rofs" package might help here
[06:22] <rickspencer3> role on floor s*ing?
[06:23] <rickspencer3> where is what, exactly?
[06:23] <rickspencer3> singing?
[06:23] <didrocks> rickspencer3: yeah, a lot of people are asking for that. gnome-activity-journal (the zg viewer) has a way to remove some part of the history IIRC, but it can be integrated there
[06:23] <rickspencer3> didrocks, if I kill zeitgeist daemon and datahub, they'll start up again?
[06:24] <didrocks> rickspencer3: indeed, the lenses should restart them
[06:24] <didrocks> the lenses have some cache, so maybe do a search again to ensure your history isn't shown
[06:25] <rickspencer3> hmmm, history is still there
[06:25] <rickspencer3> let me restart te session, brb
[06:27] <rickspencer3> dang
[06:27] <rickspencer3> didrocks, do I need to nuke recently-used.xbel too?
[06:28] <didrocks> rickspencer3: ah right, sorry about it, the datahub will bring it back
[06:28] <didrocks> rickspencer3: so you need to nuke it
[06:29] <rickspencer3> it's still there!!!
[06:29] <rickspencer3> lol
[06:30] <rickspencer3> didrocks, do I need to wipe my harddrive and copy zeros over it all to clear my history in the dash?
[06:30] <didrocks> rickspencer3: sure, do it three times :)
[06:30] <pitti> I bet it's autosynced to ubuntuone
[06:30] <didrocks> pitti: not yet :p
[06:30] <pitti> you say that!
[06:30] <didrocks> rickspencer3: so, did you, in the same round:
[06:30] <didrocks> pitti: shhhhh ;-)
[06:30] <didrocks> - kill the datahabug
[06:31] <didrocks> - kill the daemon
[06:31] <didrocks> - then remove recently-used.xbel
[06:31] <didrocks> - then remove ~/.local/share/zeitgeist
[06:31] <didrocks> (as datahub is importing recently-used.xbel to ~/.local/share/zeitgeist)
[06:32] <rickspencer3> didrocks, trying
[06:40] <didrocks> rickspencer3: did it work?
[06:40] <rickspencer3> didrocks, I haven't tried yet
[06:40] <rickspencer3> I'm boring a friend in PM at the moment ;)
[06:41] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[06:41] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[06:41] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, i fixed your inbox-only problem ;)
[06:41] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti, how are you?
[06:41] <pitti> chrisccoulson: pretty well, thanks! how about you?
[06:41] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: good morning! :)
[06:41] <didrocks> rickspencer3: heh ;)
[06:41] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: nice \o/
[06:42] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: can't wait to try it :)
[06:42] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, good thanks. my laptop arrived in the UK this morning, so i've got my fingers crossed that it will arrive today :)
[06:42] <pitti> robert_ancell: btw, I found a nice solution for bug 806559 with mvo
[06:42] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 806559 in lightdm "debconf prompt about DM to use during natty->oneiric" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/806559
[06:42] <pitti> robert_ancell: I'll commit that to the packaging bzr today
[06:42] <robert_ancell> pitti, great, thanks
[06:42] <pitti> chrisccoulson: juuuuuust a little longer!
[06:42] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[06:42] <pitti> robert_ancell: do you plan to do a new release tomorrow or so?
[06:43] <robert_ancell> pitti, I just did one half an hour ago
[06:43] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, mind submitting some french translations? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~extension-hackers/messagingmenu-extension/trunk/view/head:/locale/fr/messagingmenu.properties :-)
[06:43] <chrisccoulson> we don't get many translations with it not being translatable in launchpad ;)
[06:43] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: sure, will do :)
[06:43] <chrisccoulson> thanks :)
[06:43] <pitti> robert_ancell: oh, you didn't merge https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/lightdm/write-user-files-as-user/+merge/75184 ?
[06:43] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: 20 minutes, just finish "a list" :-)
[06:43] <didrocks> finishing*
[06:43] <robert_ancell> pitti, oh, sorry I meant a unity-greeter release.  I'll do the lightdm one tomorrow
[06:43] <pitti> ah
[06:44] <pitti> robert_ancell: ok, I'll try to get the postinst stuff ready today then
[06:45] <didrocks> waow, I don't find any unity bug about Alt + <application menubar shortcurt) not working, that's weird
[06:45] <rickspencer3> didrocks, aren't I suppose to get search results for the music store in the music lens?
[06:46] <didrocks> rickspencer3: if you didn't setup banshee (that's what you told me the other day, isn't it?) you won't have results
[06:46] <rickspencer3> *sigh*
[06:46]  * rickspencer3 sets up banshee
[06:46] <rickspencer3> jasoncwarner_, robert_ancell still no text insertion cursor in the greeter?
[06:47] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, what version are you running?  It should be fixed in 0.0.6+
[06:47] <chrisccoulson> nice, my laptop is only a few miles from my house now :)
[06:47] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, I just dist-upgraded like an hour ago
[06:47] <rickspencer3> didrocks, I'm not seeing results from the store
[06:47] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, I've just uploaded a new version, should be there in an hour or so
[06:48] <didrocks> rickspencer3: you mean, from ubuntu one store? No, nobody made a scope for it
[06:48] <didrocks> rickspencer3: it only shows local banshee collection
[06:48] <rickspencer3> didrocks, I thoguht that was one of the main points of the music lens
[06:48] <rickspencer3> to search though the U1 music store for you
[06:48] <didrocks> rickspencer3: nobody did it though
[07:40] <rodrigo_> good morning
[07:42] <fredp> 'morning rodrigo_ and all fine people of ubuntu desktop.
[07:43] <pitti> hey fredp
[07:43] <pitti> hey rodrigo_
[07:43] <rodrigo_> hi fredp, pitti
[07:44] <didrocks> good morning rodrigo_, salut fredp
[07:46] <asac> pitti: halloechen. do you know if and where I can http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/mcgrof/firmware/ath6k.tar.gz find in our archive?
[07:46] <asac> that thing is not accessible due to kernel.org down... thats why i am asking :)
[07:47] <pitti> hey assac
[07:47] <asac> hola!
[07:47] <pitti> asac: hm, we seem to ship it in linux-firwmare?
[07:47] <pitti> /lib/firmware/ath6k/
[07:47] <asac> awesome
[07:47] <asac> thats cool
[07:47] <pitti> that's even the free bit (i. e. not in l-firmware-nonfree)
[07:47] <asac> wohoo
[07:49] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:49] <ejat> hey asac
[07:50] <asac> hello ejat
[07:50] <asac> and czajkowski
[07:50] <asac> :)
[07:50] <ejat> :)
[08:19] <didrocks> session restart, brb
[08:32]  * mvo finds it still amazing that he needs gnome-shell to install gnome-tweak-tool to change the theme … or is there a better way for this now?
[08:32] <chrisccoulson_> dconf-editor ;)
[08:33] <mvo> yeah, I will need this as gnome-tweak-tools does not work (at least when unity is running)
[08:33] <chrisccoulson_> hi mvo, how are you? :)
[08:33] <mvo> what is the path in dconf-editor in the new world order?
[08:33] <mvo> hey chrisccoulson! I'm good (mostly)
[08:34] <mvo> however I could start a rant now about the theme changing difficulties
[08:34] <mvo> but I won't
[08:34] <chrisccoulson_> mvo, i think org.gnome.desktop.interface is what you want
[08:34] <mvo> oh, gnome-terminal has "search" now in the terminal buffer? that is so awsome
[08:35] <mvo> chrisccoulson: thanks for your help! how are you btw?
[08:35] <chrisccoulson> mvo - yeah, good thanks
[08:37] <mvo> great, that works now that I figured out the exact namaes
[08:37] <mvo> names
[08:41] <chrisccoulson> mvo - did you see the e-mail i copied you on a week or so ago?
[08:43] <mvo> chrisccoulson: no, let me check
[08:43] <mvo> chrisccoulson: btw, I see "***" in thunderbird for the number of new mails, is that known?
[08:44] <chrisccoulson> mvo - that normally means that you've got too many for the launcher to display. is this on a fresh account?
[08:44] <chrisccoulson> you should probably only see that on first run if you have a lot of unread emails
[08:45] <chrisccoulson> but it should work after that, as it only counts new mails, rather than unread
[08:46] <mvo> aha, cool
[08:46] <mvo> thanks
[08:46] <mvo> chrisccoulson: I have the mail now, let me read
[08:46] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[08:50] <mvo> chrisccoulson: so I just found that the appearance capplet let me change themes, that is pretty nice. no need for dconf-editor anymore :)
[08:50] <chrisccoulson> mvo, oh, i forgot about that
[08:50] <chrisccoulson> that only works for Ambiance/Radiance though doesn't it?
[08:50] <mvo> and the high contrast ones
[08:52] <pitti> yeah, unfortunately
[08:52] <pitti> not sure why it doesn't display all available themes, e. g. Adwaita if you install gnome-themes-standard
[09:00] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/messagingmenu-extension/add-french-translation/+merge/75314
[09:00] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, awesome, thanks. will merge that and then do a release :)
[09:00] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: great!
[09:00] <chrisccoulson> pitti - would you be able to provide some german translations too? :)
[09:00] <pitti> chrisccoulson: sure, for what?
[09:01] <pitti> oh, what didrocks was doing? sure
[09:01] <pitti> chrisccoulson: hang ong
[09:01] <chrisccoulson> pitti - https://code.launchpad.net/~extension-hackers/messagingmenu-extension/trunk
[09:01] <rickspencer3> looks like my compiz crasher is Fix Committed!
[09:01] <rickspencer3> yeah!
[09:04] <pitti> chrisccoulson: https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/messagingmenu-extension/locale-de/+merge/75316
[09:05] <chrisccoulson> pitti - excellent, thanks
[09:05] <chrisccoulson> will get both of those merged now and make a release
[09:05] <pitti> c'est bon!
[09:07] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I know you needed the localization to use thunderbird in French, nice move! :)
[09:07] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[09:16] <rodrigo_> bbiab
[09:30] <chrisccoulson> does gedit keep leaving scrollbar overlays on the screen for anybody else?
[09:30] <chrisccoulson> i keep getting them left on the screen here, and they appear on every workspace above every other window
[09:31] <chrisccoulson> i have to kill gedit to get rid of them
[09:33] <chrisccoulson> could somebody running unity try opening the compose window in thunderbird, and checking that the "Format" and "Options" menus are disabled until you select the main text entry area?
[09:33] <chrisccoulson> they are always active in unity-2d, but i'm not sure if that's my bug or not :)
[09:52] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: you meant "Insert" and "Format", isn't it?
[09:52] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, yeah ;)
[09:52] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: there is no theme evidence that they are, but you can't click on them yeah
[09:53] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, ok, so it works in normal unity, but unity-2d allows those menus to opened
[09:53] <chrisccoulson> i'll report a bug :)
[09:53] <didrocks> I think it's a agateau's thing ^ :)
[10:02] <chrisccoulson> YAY, laptop :)
[10:02] <pitti> chrisccoulson: !
[10:02]  * pitti expects to not see chrisccoulson in the next two hours
[10:02] <pitti> chrisccoulson: enjoy!
[10:02] <pitti> it's always such a nice feeling to unwrap a new toy
[10:03] <didrocks> pitti: it's like you can smell it from here:-)
[10:08] <chrisccoulson> it seems to boot, which is a good sign
[10:08] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: what model did you get?
[10:08] <chrisccoulson> time to take it apart now and take the hard drive out :)
[10:08] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur, e6410. basically, the same as seb128, but with 8GB RAM
[10:08] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/849733 we need this :)
[10:08] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 849733 in nautilus "No icon in notification area while transfering files" [Undecided,New]
[10:09] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: cool
[10:15] <dpm> pitti, just a heads up that language pack exports are broken right now. It seems they take quite a few hours and then they hit the time where the LP db is being disconnected for a couple of minutes, at which time they are interrupted and cannot be resumed. A workaround for now will have to be to make sure the exports start just after this daily db disconnection, so that they don't hit the next on the next day. henninge will be adjusting the export cro
[10:15] <dpm> n job in LP later on today and we'll need to adjust the langpack-o-matic one accordingly. If it's just a matter of changing the times on the langpack-o-matic crontab I can do it, but I thought I'd give you a heads up first
[10:20] <TheMuso> chrisccoulson: Oh wow, you managed to get the laptop past the other half. :)
[10:24] <chrisccoulson> TheMuso, she didn't have much choice. my old one has started falling apart (in additon to the fact that it's miserably slow already, and also needs a new battery)
[10:24] <TheMuso> ah ok.
[10:24] <chrisccoulson> one of the hinges failed at the end of last week, and the second one is failing now, so the display is basically held on by the flexi ;)
[10:25] <pitti> dpm: ok, thanks; I already wondered about the tons of rejected uploads due to the same version
[10:25] <chrisccoulson> excellent, SSD fitted. that was nice and easy :)
[10:42] <Sweetshark> pitti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/849855
[10:42] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 849855 in libreoffice "[SRU] LibreOffice 3.3.4 for natty" [Undecided,New]
[10:42] <Sweetshark> pitti: anything missing from that still? btw libreoffice-3.3.4-0ubuntu1 is on chinstrap
[10:45] <pitti> Sweetshark: wow, that's the whole patch? that's two magnitudes less scary than I feared :)
[10:46] <pitti> Sweetshark: ah, can you please refer to the bug # in the changelog? it's a strict requirement for SRUs
[10:46] <pitti> Sweetshark: also, it seems that the changelog got cut off?
[10:46] <pitti>    * disable test apply of patches -- do or fail (to allow git exported
[10:47] <pitti> Sweetshark: would also be nice to list the fixed bugs, as this will be read by quite a number of users in update-manager
[10:47] <Sweetshark> mo
[10:47]  * pitti -> lunch, bbl
[10:57] <chrisccoulson> wow, the installer is totally awesome
[10:57] <chrisccoulson> i haven't done a fresh install in a while
[11:08] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: never test alpha/beta? :)
[11:11] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, not for a while. i don't really have time for a fresh install, and my laptop has been incapable of running a VM for a long time :(
[11:11] <chrisccoulson> wow, having things open instantly is nice :)
[11:12] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: waow, it sounded that your laptop is worse than mine :)
[11:14] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, yeah, possibly ;)
[11:14] <chrisccoulson> now i've got a machine that will probably run a VM ok, but i might not have enough disk space
[11:15] <chrisccoulson> i struggled with 160GB before, and i only have 120GB now ;)
[11:15] <didrocks> :)
[11:17] <chrisccoulson> huh, trying to install gconf-editor gives me a 404 on the GB mirror :/
[11:18] <chrisccoulson> i guess this is why - http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/g/gconf-editor/
[11:18] <jpds> Wut.
[11:19] <chrisccoulson> why would it be missing from there, but it's present in the main archive?
[11:19] <jpds> chrisccoulson: It's in mid-update right now.
[11:19] <chrisccoulson> jpds, ah, ok. thanks
[11:19] <jpds> Shouldn't do that though.
[11:19] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's not good
[11:21] <chrisccoulson> wow, oneiric comes with such an outdated browser already. time to install the firefox nightlies again :)
[11:22] <ogra_> not true, my chromium isnt outdated :P
[11:23] <chrisccoulson> ogra_, are you sure?
[11:23] <chrisccoulson> seeing as nobody is maintaining it anymore
[11:24] <ogra_> heh, no, just wanted to tease you
[11:24] <chrisccoulson> lol
[11:24] <chrisccoulson> it will be updated at some point this week ;)
[11:24] <chrisccoulson> i may as well take over it, i guess
[11:34] <rodrigo_> how do I check if a package is in main? I forgot :)
[11:35] <pitti> rodrigo_: easiest/local method is apt-cache showsrc, and look at Section:
[11:35] <rodrigo_> pitti, ok thanks
[11:36] <pitti> rodrigo_: or apt-cache show for a binary package
[11:36] <rodrigo_> showsrc seems to work
[12:09]  * rodrigo_ lunch
[12:38] <cyphermox> good morning!
[12:46] <Sweetsha1k> pitti: do those need to be launchpad bugs, or is freedesktop bug links enough?
[12:47] <pitti> Sweetsha1k: at least one LP bug (your update request), the others are fine with just text
[12:50] <pgraner> didrocks, any idea when the fix noted here will hit the archive?
[12:50] <pgraner> didrocks, lp 815114
[12:50] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 815114 in unity "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in nux::Area::FindKeyFocusArea()" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/815114
[12:50] <didrocks> pgraner: with tomorrow's unity release
[12:50] <pgraner> didrocks, how can I get it earlier I can't work, my desktop crashes every couple of mins
[12:50] <pitti> there, a power capplet with a lid action combobox
[12:50] <pitti> (well, two -- ac and battery)
[12:51] <didrocks> pgraner: I can't backport it as it's dep on other changes and trunk it still a little bit unstable. dx doesn't have any daily ppa, so you can still build trunk I'm afraid
[12:52] <didrocks> pgraner: or you can switch to unity-2d until tomorrow at the login screen
[12:52] <pgraner> didrocks, ok, not what I wanted to hear
[12:52] <didrocks> pgraner: sorry about it
[13:02] <pitti> rodrigo_: hey
[13:03] <pitti> rodrigo_: I just finished doing the c-c patch for adding back lid action configuration
[13:03] <Sweetsha1k> pitti: updated on chinstrap
[13:03] <pitti> rodrigo_: want me to do another upload, or are you planning another one anyway today?
[13:04] <Sweetsha1k> pitti: also http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-openoffice/libreoffice.git;a=blobdiff;f=changelog;h=fb384c5fa18848856b04fee1d7a195a71c85e112;hp=8c48782e0abbb2be96431904e69165b28edefa1e;hb=04fa58c8a39f5c72c6e2ccab1df814d4e1890e67;hpb=deb5a66b9633aec9b74f9355cf68788a94ddfb3f
[13:04] <pitti> rodrigo_: ah, nevermind, need to wait for FFE/UIFE
[13:05] <pitti> Sweetsha1k: at some point you might want to clean your ~ on chinstrap :)
[13:14] <Sweetsha1k> pitti: killed 4GB for greater good
[13:14] <pitti> didrocks, Sweetsha1k, cyphermox, jasoncwarner_: does any of you have an ati or nvidia card?
[13:14] <pitti> Sweetsha1k: uploaded, thanks!
[13:15] <didrocks> pitti: I have an nvidia one
[13:15] <cyphermox> intel intel intel
[13:15] <pitti> didrocks: you get flickering boot as well, right? i. e. plymouth, text, X/lightdm
[13:15] <cyphermox> actually, no that's not true. I have a kubuntu box with an ati card at home, can get to it tonight if necessary
[13:15] <Sweetsha1k> pitti: me has three.
[13:15] <pitti> cyphermox: no, needs lightdm
[13:15]  * Sweetsha1k fears for what this is leading to.
[13:15] <cyphermox> pitti: I can reinstall it ;)
[13:16] <didrocks> pitti: indeed, the small ugly logo and text
[13:16] <pitti> Sweetsha1k, didrocks: would you mind patching /etc/init/plymouth-stop.conf with http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vorlon/ubuntu/oneiric/plymouth/lightdm-integration/revision/1398 (i. e. add "lightdm" to the pre-start part), and report your results to bug 849954?
[13:16] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 849954 in plymouth "FFe: enable flicker-free boot with lightdm" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/849954
[13:16] <cyphermox> pitti: otherwise, let me know and I can test a few machines in the Montreal lab, if it helps
[13:16] <pitti> we should test this with nouveau/nvidia/ati/fglrx
[13:17] <didrocks> pitti: sure, will do
[13:17] <pitti> didrocks: merci!
[13:17] <didrocks> de rien :)
[13:17] <slangasek> nvidia/fglrx drivers should actually not be interesting
[13:18] <slangasek> but feel free to test anyway, in case I'm wrong :)
[13:18] <pitti> better be thorough
[13:18] <pitti> slangasek: they will use the simple text UI?
[13:18] <pitti> slangasek: actually, that can be tested as well in kvm
[13:18] <pitti> darn, I wiped my beta-1 vm
[13:18]  * pitti brb
[13:18] <slangasek> it's a different code path because of the lack of DRM drivers
[13:19] <slangasek> I don't recall if you get text there currently
[13:19] <slangasek> but you certainly don't get flicker-free
[13:20] <Sweetshark> pitti: how does the 'flicker' look like? My oneiric machine is on nvidia closed source drivers and I havent noticed any flicker (maybe I just ignored it). Machine is on nvidia optimus.
[13:22] <didrocks> testing reboot, brb
[13:22] <pitti> Sweetshark: the plymouth graphical boot screen disappears, then you get a text screen, and then X with lightdm
[13:22] <pitti> Sweetshark: usually X/lightdm should replace the plymouth screen right away
[13:23] <Sweetshark> pitti: ah, ok. I cant remember having seen a text login screen on this machine before.
[13:23] <pitti> Sweetshark: no, not login, just some boot messages
[13:25] <didrocks> nothing better or worse for me
[13:25]  * didrocks reports on the bug report
[13:27] <pitti> didrocks: that's with free or proprietary driver?
[13:28] <didrocks> pitti: proprietary driver
[13:28] <pitti> didrocks: ah, good
[13:28] <pitti> that's expected then
[13:28] <didrocks> pitti: still a regression from lucid, we only got the low-resolution plymouth, but no text on it
[13:29] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, with the change, I had few expectations :)
[13:34] <Sweetshark> pitti: is this a libreoffice bug? seems to me to be unity only: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/844119
[13:34] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 844119 in libreoffice "Hitting Alt-Tab does not display Libre Office in list of switchable open applications" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[13:35] <didrocks> Sweetshark: should be a bamf bug I would say, is it on the launcher?
[13:35] <pitti> Sweetshark: worth testing with gnome shell or classic gnome, I think; but in general it sounds like a bug in the unity switcher, yes
[13:35] <pitti> (or bamf)
[13:37] <Sweetshark> pitti: well, bluetile at least handles it pretty fine.
[13:37] <didrocks> the switcher is using bamf, hence my question about the Launcher, Sweetshark?
[13:52] <OwaisL> Hey friends, I'm unable to run Skype since last updates on Oneiric. I keep getting this error. Anyone else with the same issue?
[13:52] <OwaisL> Fatal: Cannot mix incompatible Qt library (version 0x40703) with this library (version 0x40704)
[13:53] <OwaisL> Sorry wrong channel :)
[13:57] <mterry> pitti, thanks for updating gnome-control-center bzr for me.  Sorry
[13:57] <pitti> mterry: no problem; good morning!
[13:57] <pitti> mterry: thanks for fixing this bug so quickly!
[14:01] <Sweetshark> didrocks: hmm, just tried to test it with my vanilla default config user, but logging in, I seem to get only a nautilus global menubar (no dash, etc.). When I click 'new tab' in the menu I get a tab bar covering the screen from left to right.
[14:01] <pitti> Sweetshark: NB, you can use a guest session to have a guaranteed fresh profile
[14:01] <didrocks> Sweetshark: seems unity is not started for you, do you have is it a real vanilla user?
[14:02] <didrocks> yeah, guest session FTW :)
[14:03] <Sweetshark> (the user and his home was freshly created from the gnomes users-admin
[14:05]  * Sweetshark retries just to be sure.
[14:16] <Sweetshark> hmm, maybe I had an old home for that user. Anyway: now I have a dash, but cant reproduce the issue: I can alt-tab just fine over LO writer.
[14:18] <rickspencer3> pitti, FFE for flicker free boot?
[14:18] <rickspencer3> is that before or after the greeter?
[14:18] <didrocks> Sweetshark: I think it depens if you start libreoffice by the launcher or by a command line?
[14:24] <Sweetshark> didrocks: works for me for both: starting as 'libreoffice --writer' from the commandline or starting directly from the dash
[14:25] <didrocks> Sweetshark: hum, isn't the use case:
[14:25] <didrocks> - start libreoffice
[14:25] <didrocks> (you get the generic icon)
[14:25] <didrocks> open "new writer documentation"
[14:25] <didrocks> then, see you still have the generic icon IIRC
[14:25] <didrocks> can be what puzzled the user?
[14:27] <pitti> rickspencer3: before
[14:27] <rickspencer3> thanks pitti
[14:31] <dpm> pitti, the LP langpack exports have now been set to 9UTC instead of 22UTC -> https://dev.launchpad.net/Translations/LanguagePackSchedule. I'll update the langpack-o-matic cron tab. Does 9UTC the next day of the export sound sensible to you? This will cater for full exports taking nearly 24h
[14:31] <pitti> dpm: sure, that sounds fine
[14:31] <Sweetshark> didrocks: ahh, found it: 1) open launcher 2) type 'libreoffice' (not writer, the generic startcenter) observed behaviour: not alt-tabable, no icon in dash, expected behaviour: icon in dash, alt-tabbable
[14:32] <didrocks> Sweetshark: ok, bug in bamf though, can you check i there is no duplicate?
[14:32] <dpm> pitti, ok, thanks, done now
[14:34] <dobey> chrisccoulson: is the tb couchdb gui extension packaged yet?
[14:36] <Sweetshark> didrocks: no guarantees ;) there are ~800 LO bugs. Ill take a look still.
[14:36] <chrisccoulson> dobey, not yet. sorry, been busy doing a mandatory reinstall today
[14:36] <didrocks> Sweetshark: I guess just check only on bamf for duplicate
[14:37] <Sweetshark> didrocks: any objection against closing as invalid on libreoffice for now?
[14:37] <dobey> chrisccoulson: ah ok. we need to change ubuntuone-control-panel to install it I think, as currently we just install the evolution bits. and we also mention Evolution in the text, so we have to fix tht today, for string freeze :-/
[14:37] <didrocks> Sweetshark: agreed, it will maybe need a patch on libreoffice (we discussed that at the OOo time), but not for now anyway
[14:39] <Sweetshark> didrocks: no dupes in bamf it seems
[14:40] <didrocks> Sweetshark: ok, great :)
[14:40] <didrocks> thanks for confirming!
[14:49] <chrisccoulson> rodrigo_, you there?
[14:52] <mvo> is there a way to start gvfsd (-http) in debug mode?
[15:00] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson, yes
[15:00] <chrisccoulson> hi rodrigo_. do you remember i talked a while ago about splitting evolution-couchdb?
[15:01] <chrisccoulson> mind if i go ahead and do it? :)
[15:01] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson, yes
[15:01] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson, yes, I remember, and no, I don't miund :)
[15:01] <rodrigo_> mind
[15:01] <chrisccoulson> ah, cool. thanks :)
[15:01] <chrisccoulson> rodrigo_, do we have any sort of convention for naming packages that provide eds backends?
[15:02] <chrisccoulson> i was going to keep the evo plugin in evolution-couchdb, and have a new package for the backend
[15:02] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson, they all use evo, not e-d-s, like evo-exchange
[15:02] <rodrigo_> I think they always provide both e-d-s and evo stuff
[15:03] <rodrigo_> I can only think of evo-exchange, doesn't seem to be any other
[15:04] <rodrigo_> so yes, maybe it makes sense to call them e-d-s/evo-couchdb
[15:05] <rodrigo_> or evo-couchdb and evo-couchdb-backend
[15:15] <cyphermox> rodrigo_: eex and evo-mapi ship both parts together
[15:15] <didrocks> reboot testing, brb
[15:15] <rodrigo_> cyphermox, yes, usually that's what we do, so yeah, no convention for e-d-s only packages
[15:17] <cyphermox> right
[15:22] <pitti> didrocks: is unity or nautilus responsible for painting the background?
[15:23] <didrocks> pitti: nautilus
[15:23] <pitti> ah, thanks
[15:23] <pitti> didrocks: looks like it's not making use of the wallpaper cache any more?
[15:23] <pitti> the cache is written, though
[15:23] <pitti> anyway, not for now
[15:23] <didrocks> pitti: oh really? It went upstream, but I saw some commits there
[15:23] <didrocks> pitti: so maybe they broke it
[15:24] <pitti> just comparing the amount of CPU for nautilus in oneiric (http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/bootcharts/daniel-oneiric-20110914-disable-indicator-session.png) with lucid (http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/bootcharts/daniel-lucid-20100305-1.png)
[15:24] <pitti> didrocks: anyway, thanks for the info
[15:24] <pitti> didrocks: oh, in lucid etc. it was gnome-settings-daemon, wasn't it?
[15:25] <didrocks> pitti: more than possible, I saw some commit upstream, I'll try to have a look to fix it
[15:25] <didrocks> pitti: both are using the same libray in libgnome
[15:25] <didrocks> library*
[15:25] <pitti> didrocks: no, I didn't meant to divert you from your stuff, I just wanted to konw which component needs to paint it
[15:25] <didrocks> and it's this one I hacked on
[15:25] <pitti> the cache file is there
[15:25] <pitti> it could very well be something completely different now
[15:26] <didrocks> it's creating the cache file when asking for a background
[15:26] <ronoc> pitti, was there something up with i-session from your side ?
[15:26] <didrocks> so I guess it's basically an issue with name mangling (that's the part which changed)
[15:26] <didrocks> ronoc: see the bug # I pasted to you
[15:26] <pitti> ronoc: yes, bug 850055, the most blatant offender (plus 13 seconds :) )
[15:26] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 850055 in ubuntu-boot-speed "Starts aptd during startup" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/850055
[15:27] <didrocks> ronoc: are you sure that you only look at the name on dbus to appear, doesn't it activate it?
[15:28] <ronoc> didrocks, pitti its doesn't activate it
[15:28] <ronoc> it just watches for the name
[15:28] <pitti> ronoc: it does; if I chmod 0 /usr/lib/indicators3/6/libsession.so, it goes away
[15:29] <pitti> ronoc: doesn't it need to ask aptdaemon whether your packages are up to date?
[15:29] <pitti> that's the most likely thing it wants to know
[15:29] <ronoc> pitti, right sorry it queries for updates using the apt interface
[15:29] <ronoc> pitti, this was the way i was told to do it by mvo, if that is so slow that is apts issue
[15:29] <ronoc> pitti, honestly that apt api needs alot of love
[15:30] <pitti> well, aptdaemon is python, and apt just is slow because it has to read through megabytes over megabytes of package date
[15:30] <dupondje> it is gnome-settings-daemon that writes to .profile ?
[15:30] <pitti> dupondje: no, it's copied from /etc/skel/, and language-selector also touches it
[15:30] <pitti> ronoc: so I guess the only sensible and easy thing here is to delay it for a minute or so; I guess disabling this is out of the question?
[15:31] <ronoc> pitti, don't think so
[15:31] <ronoc> pitti, you will need to get mpt to drop it from the spec
[15:31] <mvo> ronoc: are you using the apt c++ interface for this?
[15:31] <ronoc> mvo, no the dbus api
[15:31] <mvo> ok
[15:32] <pitti> the interface doesn't matter really; not using aptdaemon might cut the thing in half, but it's still taking more CPU than the whole desktop startup is supposed to take
[15:32] <pitti> and it's certainly not a thing which needs to be there right at startup; delaying this for a minute or so should be fine?
[15:32] <ronoc> pitti, i can do this sure
[15:33] <ronoc> mvo we need to talk at orlando about that api
[15:33] <didrocks> pitti: I confirm that the cache isn't used, sounds a good task for after unity release
[15:34]  * didrocks blames vuntz as someone has to be blamed to touch that :-)
[15:34] <pitti> didrocks: if you want to look at it, sure; but I don't want to push this to you; for now my task is just to write a summary about the regressions
[15:35] <didrocks> pitti: I hope it will be easy enough to track it down and fix it. If I spend more than 2 hours, will be for later then
[15:35] <pitti> didrocks: I'm filing a bug for now for reference
[15:35] <didrocks> pitti: thanks! assign it to me please :)
[15:35] <pitti> okay :)
[15:35] <pitti> didrocks: libgnome or nautilus?
[15:35] <mvo> ronoc: sure thing
[15:35] <didrocks> pitti: libgnome
[15:38] <didrocks> thanks!
[15:38] <dupondje> export LANGUAGE="nl:zh_CN:en_AU:en"
[15:38] <dupondje> great ... it seems completely foobar
[15:38] <pitti> didrocks: bug 850104 FYI
[15:38] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 850104 in ubuntu-boot-speed "[oneiric] does not use the wallpaper cache any more" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/850104
[15:39] <pitti> didrocks: presumably it's just a name mangling issue, as the cache file looks alright in eog
[15:41] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, I guess a monitor number thing or something like that
[15:41] <didrocks> will dig
[15:42] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, no stacking fix in the compiz upload? ;)
[15:43] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: unfortunately not, smspillaz is still fighting with this
[15:43] <chrisccoulson> :(
[15:43] <dupondje> No idea why Chinese is an option in language-selector, while its not installed ...
[15:43] <didrocks> but we can upgrade compiz configuration
[15:43] <didrocks> which is… amazing when you know the internals :)
[15:43] <chrisccoulson> heh
[15:44]  * didrocks broke a lot his box on testing this
[15:44] <chrisccoulson> i guess i'll have to make do with metacity for a bit longer then ;)
[15:44] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I uploaded a metacity this morning just for you! :)
[15:44] <chrisccoulson> but i would like to switch back to unity 3d at some point before the end of the cycle
[15:51] <pitti> good night everyone, time for sports (and spent too much time on computer again anyway..)
[15:51] <rodrigo_> bye pitti
[15:51] <didrocks> have a good night pitti!
[16:03] <m4n1sh> chrisccoulson: is there any xulrunner package in oneiric. In any PPA either?
[16:03] <chrisccoulson> m4n1sh, no
[16:03] <m4n1sh> any way of getting it?
[16:03] <m4n1sh> I need to build something against xulrunner 1.9.2
[16:03] <chrisccoulson> m4n1sh, sure. you can grab the upstream source and build it yourself
[16:03] <chrisccoulson> but we're not supporting it at all anymore
[16:04] <m4n1sh> I saw a packaging branch of xulrunner-1.9.2 for oneiric
[16:04] <m4n1sh> tried building it
[16:04] <m4n1sh> all patches failed to apply
[16:05] <m4n1sh> chrisccoulson: so this means if I need to build anything against xulrunner-1.9.2 then I need to install natty?
[16:05] <chrisccoulson> m4n1sh, it's up to you. like i said, we don't support it at all anymore
[16:05] <rodrigo_> m4n1sh, or build the package branch you mention without the patches
[16:05] <m4n1sh> rodrigo_: that too fails :(
[16:06] <rodrigo_> then build the upstream source, as chrisccoulson suggests
[16:06] <rodrigo_> but there's no need to install natty
[16:06] <m4n1sh> http://paste.ubuntu.com/689299/
[16:06] <chrisccoulson> you'll need to figure that out yourself i'm afraid. i'm not spending any time on xulrunner anymore ;)
[16:06] <m4n1sh> chrisccoulson: :)
[16:07] <m4n1sh> rodrigo_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/689299/ is what I get from building without patches
[16:07] <rodrigo_> I'm afraid I can't help you, no idea sorry :(
[16:08] <m4n1sh> hmm
[16:08] <m4n1sh> and upstream doesnt have 1.9.2
[16:08] <m4n1sh> it has only 1.9.1
[16:08] <m4n1sh> :(
[16:14] <chrisccoulson> oh, man. i've got to install erlang and couchdb on to my nice, new, quick laptop
[16:14] <chrisccoulson> now to watch it grind to a halt already ;)
[16:14] <rodrigo_> it won't be quick anymore then :)
[16:14] <chrisccoulson> lol
[16:15] <chrisccoulson> rodrigo_, yeah, i can already see the smoke coming out of the back of it
[16:15] <rodrigo_> heh
[16:15] <chrisccoulson> and the power consumption jumped from 12W to 12kW too ;)
[16:16] <chrisccoulson> now to tidy up thunderbird-couchdb from a PoC to something a bit neater, before i upload it ;)
[16:38] <rodrigo_> ok, enough computer for me also, later all
[16:41] <philwire> hi, im trying to install a new d-link dge530T gigabit nic but neither eth0 or eth1 seems to use it.
[16:42] <mpt> ronoc, what would I need to drop from what spec? (And why aren't you on holiday?:-)
[16:42] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, inbox-only seems to be working well here now :)
[16:42] <chrisccoulson> i'll upload in a bit
[16:42] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: excellent, can't wait to get it back tomorrow :)
[16:42] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: are the notifications based on that as well or it's just the messaging menu?
[16:42] <didrocks> rodrigo_: see you!
[16:42] <ronoc> mpt, nevermind and I'm done after today, don't worry I'm still being paid :)
[16:42] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, just the messaging menu and launcher
[16:43] <mpt> ronoc, ah, the "Updates Available" wotsit
[16:43] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: ok :)
[16:43] <ronoc> mpt, yeah it was slowing down start up be 13 secs !
[16:43] <ronoc> so now like before it will only query after 60 secs
[16:43] <mpt> If it was up to me, it wouldn't be in the menu, but anyway
[16:44]  * mpt -> Ocelot
[16:44] <ronoc> mpt, enough said :)
[16:45] <njpatel> skaet, hey, you guys were tracking a unity crasher that we were tracking in another bug (they have slightly different crash points but very similar traces, it's an issue with sound menu), so I've duped your bug to our main one and added it to your tracking list, just so you know when we fix it
[16:45] <njpatel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/809865 is the bug we are tracking
[16:45] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 809865 in unity "unity-panel-service crashed with SIGSEGV in g_closure_invoke()" [Critical,Confirmed]
[16:46] <njpatel> skaet, and this was the one you were tracking originally https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/804205
[16:46] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 804205 in unity "unity-panel-service crashed with SIGSEGV in pthread_mutex_trylock() (dup-of: 809865)" [High,Triaged]
[16:51] <skaet> thanks njpatel :)
[16:52]  * didrocks waves good evening
[16:58] <chrisccoulson> rodrigo_, thunderbird gets an error, which i'm assuming comes from further down the stack:
[16:58] <chrisccoulson> "There was a problem opening the address book "Ubuntu One" - the message returned was: Cannot open book: Could not create DesktopcouchSession object"
[17:53] <dobey> chrisccoulson: i saw a bug about that filed earlier today
[17:54] <dobey> chrisccoulson: you got the same error in evolution?
[17:54] <chrisccoulson> dobey, yeah, the same happens in evolution too
[17:54] <dobey> hrmm
[17:55] <dobey> i just get an empty contacts list, now, and evolution won't let me click "new" if i have "Ubuntu One" addressbook selected
[17:56] <dobey> and whee, core dumps
[17:57] <chrisccoulson> heh
[17:57] <chrisccoulson> brb, need to bath my daughter
[22:00] <dupondje> Selecting language in gnome-control-center seems completely broken :(
[22:02] <dupondje> rodrigo_: there?
[22:34] <dupondje> mmm git.gnome.org hacked ?!
[22:38] <TheMuso> dupondje: Got a link?
[22:38] <dupondje> had a weird cert error
[22:38] <dupondje> but gone now
[22:38] <dupondje> weird things here :)
[22:47] <dupondje> you cannot select a region with gnome-control-panel ? :s
[22:47] <dupondje> its always nl_NL and no nl_BE it seems
[22:56] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/850477
[22:56] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 850477 in gnome-control-center "locale not using the correct region" [Undecided,New]


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[03:41] <micahg> ScottK: re anki, it's an arch all package, so I think the python dependency is proper in B-D-I
[03:41] <ScottK> micahg: You still need to satisy clean from build-depends.
[03:41] <ScottK> The rule for b-d is needed for arch any or clean.
[03:42] <ScottK> If you don't need it for clean (I'd be surprised) then it's fine.
[03:43] <micahg> ScottK: how do I check that, just try to build a source in a chroot without python?
[03:43] <micahg> *source package
[03:49]  * micahg doesn't get a warning in the chroot except for the lack of locale, also, there's nothing python related in the clean rule save for the manual .py[co] removal
[03:57] <ScottK> micahg: That's the simplest way.
[03:57] <micahg> ScottK: ok, did that, doesn't seem to be a problem, do I need to do a full build first?
[03:57] <ScottK> Shouldn't.
[03:57]  * micahg actually just ran debian/rules clean
[03:57] <ScottK> As long as you made sure 'python' was not installed.
[03:58] <ScottK> That should be sufficient.
[03:58] <micahg> grr, was already in the chroot
[03:59] <micahg> ah, I have devscripts in my chroot for some reason
[04:00] <micahg> clean rule still worked without the python package
[04:05] <ScottK> OK.
[04:05] <ScottK> Never mind me then.
[04:06] <micahg> ok, thanks :)
[06:00] <pitti> cjwatson cdimage docs> cheers!
[10:18] <cjwatson> Xubuntu daily poked again following build failure, and I've moved it five minutes earlier to try to reduce the risk of running into LP downtime which is what I think the last two failures have been
[10:23] <jamespage> Daviey: I think bug 948993 is now ready for review
[10:23] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 948993 in rabbitmq-server "[FFe] [MIR] rabbitmq-stomp, rabbitmq-erlang-client" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/948993
[11:28] <Daviey> jamespage: okay, will look in the next 1hr or so
[11:32] <jamespage> Daviey: ta
[12:51] <mvo> pitti: hey, sorry for nagging, but could  we get software-center into oneiric-proposed ? the preicse version is uploaded and IIRC you looked at it last friday and the blocker was the missing precise upload, right?
[12:53] <pitti> mvo: ah, good; sure
[12:53] <pitti> mvo: bug 938736 is still open
[12:53] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 938736 in software-center "For-purchase apps not showing up on Oneiric" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/938736
[12:54] <pitti> mvo: bug 949725 as well
[12:54] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 949725 in software-center "whats new does not refresh on db changes" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/949725
[13:22] <cyphermox> hey, could someone please review https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/950313
[13:22] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 950313 in network-manager "[FFe] Update NetworkManager to a recent snapshot in prevision for the 0.9.4 release." [Undecided,New]
[14:02] <pitti> mvo: did you see my response above?
[14:24] <mvo> pitti: ups, sorry, missed that, I updated the bug with the commits that fixed the issue
[14:27] <pitti> mvo: ah, thanks
[14:30] <pitti> mvo: hm, 949725 is still open
[14:30] <pitti> and no recent comment from you
[14:31]  * mvo looks
[14:33] <mvo> pitti: updated this one as well, sorry again
[14:34] <pitti> mvo: thanks; seems they don't always find their way into the debian/changelog?
[14:35] <mvo> that was sloppiness on our part :/
[15:06] <stgraber> infinity: any luck with the metalink generation for Edubuntu dailies?
[15:06] <infinity> stgraber: Nope, my weekend turned out to actually be busy.  Diving into cdimage today.
[15:08] <stgraber> infinity: ok :) I wasn't around much either so I only had a quick look now. As long as I get something to test before beta2 I'm happy with that.
[15:11]  * infinity nods.
[15:11] <infinity> stgraber: I think the only work I got done on the weekend was making qtwebkit-source build.
[15:11] <infinity> stgraber: Which was less about working, and more about checking back every 8 hours to see if I'd done it right.
[15:20] <phillw> Not sure if I'm asking even the right question, but would access to the 16G model http://www.kimsufi.co.uk/ help you guys in anyway? It's currently sat twiddling its thumbs at about 1% cpu time. Currently CentOS, but popping on a Ubuntu VM would not be a big job?
[16:30] <scott-work> do i need to provide more information or documentation for ubuntu studio's LTS consideration?
[16:47] <micahg> scott-work: that's a TB question, not a release team question :)
[16:48] <scott-work> yes, sorry, you are obviously correct, i'll respond to the mailing list then
[17:22] <cyphermox> ScottK: thanks for looking into the ffe for nm-applet. note that it bring in a difference from what the plasma applet exposes to the users
[17:23] <ScottK> OK.
[17:23] <ScottK> I was first concerned about the impact on nm-applet.
[17:23] <cyphermox> sure.
[17:25] <cyphermox> I was only adding that because it's relevant if both UIs don't show the same options
[17:27] <ScottK> Right.
[17:28] <ScottK> It might be useful to talk to the p-w-nm devs and see if they would support it.
[17:30] <cyphermox> what's the best way to contact them for this kind of thing?
[17:32] <ScottK> cyphermox: Ask Riddell who to ask would be my plan.
[17:32] <cyphermox> ScottK: Thanks.
[18:36] <ScottK> Would someone please respin Kubuntu desktop now that the farsight thing is resolved?  I'd like to see how it looks now.
[18:36] <ScottK> (i386 or amd64 is enough)
[18:38] <cjwatson> ScottK: running
[18:38] <ScottK> cjwatson: Thanks.
[18:38] <cjwatson> (I just did the lot, less typing)
[18:38] <ScottK> Right.
[23:31] <GrueMaster> stgraber: When you (or someone else) gets a chance, can you remove the armel images from the daily tracker (except netboot armel+omap4).  We are no longer making these images, so testing is fruitless.
[23:31] <stgraber> GrueMaster: doing now
[23:33] <GrueMaster> Thanks.  I don't always do daily image smoke testing (can't readily automate it yet), but today was a special case.  Lots of users complaining about omap issues.
[23:33] <stgraber> GrueMaster: done, only armel left is Core which stills build daily
[23:33] <GrueMaster> Yep.  netboot armel+omap4 should also remain, as it is an easy way to test the armel pool.
[23:34] <stgraber> ah, right, let me restore that one then
[23:35] <GrueMaster> stgraber: ^^^
[23:35] <GrueMaster> ok.  (thought you had wandered off again).  :P
[23:37] <stgraber> restored
[23:38] <GrueMaster> Thanks.
[23:39] <GrueMaster> Now I need to figure out why server omap image blows up.  sigh.
[23:46] <infinity> We have netboot armel+omap as well.
[23:47] <infinity> stgraber: netboot omap images seems to have gone from the tracker entirely.
[23:47] <infinity> stgraber: armel and armhf..
[23:47] <GrueMaster> infinity: Yes, this I know.  The odd thing is the desktop image works, and so does the omap4 server image.
[23:48] <infinity> GrueMaster: Oh, that wasn't in response to your server comment.
[23:48] <infinity> GrueMaster: armhf+omap server is acting up?
[23:48] <GrueMaster> infinity: We are only testing omap4 netboot actively at this time.  We'll probably keep the images for other netboots, but they will be mostly ignored.
[23:49] <infinity> Oh, yeah, if we're not testing them, fair enough.  No need to track them.
[23:49] <infinity> stgraber: Ignore me.
[23:49] <GrueMaster> And yes, ubuntu-server armhf+omap goes poof on second boot.
[23:49] <GrueMaster> No indications as to why in the logs that I can see.
[23:50] <infinity> Weird, given that it does nothing different from the desktop image up to that point.
[23:50] <infinity> Maybe there's just something goofy with today's daily.
[23:51] <GrueMaster> I hope it is a random thing.  btw, md5sums???
[23:51] <GrueMaster> pretty please???
[23:52] <infinity> Got a bit side tracked today, but yeah, looking at it tonight.
[23:52] <GrueMaster> Ok.
[23:52] <infinity> After I take some time out to reset my brain with a movie or something.
[23:53] <GrueMaster> I know the feeling.  I was supposed to be working on some automation scripting.  Got stuck with this, armadaxp kernel goofiness, etc.
[23:54] <GrueMaster> Need something like "mirror /dev/gruemaster".
[23:54] <infinity> Nah, just need to take a bit of "you" time and relax.
[23:55] <GrueMaster> Can't.  Weather sucks too much to do anything.  40f degrees and raining.  hard.
[23:56] <GrueMaster> I did take ~3 hours of me time yesterday...and did my taxes.  wheeee.
[23:56] <infinity> Hahaha.
[23:56] <infinity> Yeah, I did that over the weekend, too.
[23:57] <infinity> Because when you travel to another city to help with a funeral, the only way to possibly make that more depressing is to bring your taxes with you.
[23:57]  * infinity is smart.


[22:10] <guntbert_> fixing the grammar :-))
[22:12] <guntbert_> I forgot the syntax to replace/delete text ...
[22:27] <JackFrost> guntbert_: https://unit193.net/ubottu.html#_editing_factoids (note this isn't official documentation)
[22:29] <guntbert_> JackFrost: thx, found and bookmarked :-))
[22:31]  * JackFrost hopes it doesn't randomly disappear. :P
[22:35] <guntbert_> JackFrost: that has *never* happened before ;-)
[22:36] <hggdh> guntbert_: IIRC, upsdates to ubottu are mirrored by ubot5. Or something like it
[22:37] <dax> yep, the ubot clones grab updates made to ubottu
[22:37] <hggdh> ^ more tehnically correct :-) thank you dax
[22:38]  * hggdh goes walk the dog
[22:42] <JackFrost> Or, grabbed then converted...