[06:46] <SQL_Sam> i installed the basic version - figured i should have done server since i want to use samba, make a home webserver for development.  Can i still use the desktop or should i reinstall the server?
[06:47] <paulproteus> GuruFF: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15 .
[06:47] <thoreauputic> k-otik: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:47] <GuruFF> paulproteus; :) thx
[06:47] <Doomhammer> SQL_Sam: you're running a GUI on a server!? :P
[06:47] <SQL_Sam> well not yet.... ;)
[06:47] <Doomhammer> hehehe
[06:47] <k-otik> 5.04 doesnt have any problem with mplayer and x crashing does it?
[06:47] <fazer> SQL_Sam: Hmm,can't really help you there, but if you are going to be coding on it, then I think you can just go ahead and download your server softwares and config/run them =/
[06:47] <paulproteus> Look at the bottom; read the section "Installing Sun's Java on Hoary".
[06:48] <waseem> thoreauputic: i followed the instructions on the link you sent me, but there were errors in the terminal
[06:48] <waseem> i typed sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[06:48] <Doomhammer> anyone know how I statically set my IP address instead of using DHCP -- I don't have X Windows installed...
[06:48] <SQL_Sam> well i for sure want samba so i can have a file share
[06:48] <waseem> and the error i got was:
[06:48] <farruinn> salvestrini: sorry, I primarily use macs, so I don't really know what's going with your fan :/
[06:48] <salvestrini> waseem try consulting www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:48] <waseem> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-glx_1.0.7174-0ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[06:48] <waseem>  subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 2
[06:48] <waseem> Errors were encountered while processing:
[06:48] <waseem>  /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-glx_1.0.7174-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[06:48] <waseem> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[06:48] <salvestrini> ty farruinn
[06:48] <waseem> waseem@waseem:~$ sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[06:48] <waseem> sudo: nvidia-glx-config: command not found
[06:48] <SQL_Sam> i got two boxes at home - one xp and now this one
[06:48] <fazer> waseem: no copy pating here.
[06:48] <fazer> *pasting
[06:49] <waseem> oh sorry
[06:49] <jannifer> has anyone configured faxing? I'm setting it up for my mother so it needs to be point ant click and it has to receive faxes while the user is logged off
[06:49] <paulproteus> Doomhammer: man interfaces
[06:49] <fazer> =/
[06:49] <paulproteus> Doomhammer: You want to configure the file in /etc/network/interfaces .
[06:49] <Doomhammer> paulproteus: ok
[06:49] <IIIEars> you should never copy pate in public
[06:50] <paulproteus> IIIEars: Well, if it's one line, it's fine.
[06:50] <waseem> salvestrini: i went to ubuntuguide.org and i followed the instructions but i got the same errors
[06:50] <paulproteus> If it's two, it's probably okay.  No one minds copy-pasted errors; most people mind channel flooding.  There's a difference, see. :)
[06:50] <IIIEars> j/k it sounded like "Copulate"
[06:50] <salvestrini> waseem i dont knowthen it worked for me
[06:51] <paulproteus> IIIEars: Oh.  Well, I disagree there, too. :)
[06:51] <salvestrini> well there goes an acpi reinstall :)
[06:51] <IIIEars> :-P
[06:51] <thoreauputic> paulproteus: there goes the neighbourhood .... *grin*
[06:51] <SQL_Sam> i want to try learning perl and python - is it installed on the basic install?
[06:51] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[06:52] <salvestrini> o well i'll try rebooting and see what happens
[06:52] <salvestrini> brb
[06:52] <SQL_Sam> cool - maybe i should learn the bash first though....
[06:52] <JinxColor> I want to change from intel onboard gfx to an nvidia pci card
[06:52] <JinxColor> what configuration modification does this require
[06:52] <thoreauputic> SQL_Sam: you can do a lot with bash
[06:53] <SQL_Sam> i've heard - just dont know where to start....
[06:53] <Doomhammer> thoreauputic I thought you said "you can do a lot with hash" LOL
[06:53] <GuruFF> is anyone here running matlab by some chance ?
[06:53] <GuruFF> :>
[06:53] <paulproteus> SQL_Sam: I suggest http://www.freenetpages.co.uk/hp/alan.gauld/
[06:53] <IIIEars> Jinxcolor - "" got an old Geforce 5200 lying around
[06:53] <Doomhammer> matlab? isn't that an archaic piece of software?
[06:53] <thoreauputic> Doomhammer: probably also true ;)
[06:53] <Doomhammer> hehehe
[06:53] <paulproteus> I would learn Python before Perl or bash because it's a (1) easier language than Perl and (2) more friendly with you if you mess up than bash.
[06:53] <JinxColor> IIIEars : yeah gfx 4mx pci
[06:54] <paulproteus> Then learn bash.
[06:54] <JinxColor> IIIEars : geforce4mx pci
[06:54] <paulproteus> Then make fun of poeple use use Perl.
[06:54] <thoreauputic> SQL_Sam: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO.html
[06:54] <SQL_Sam> are there any online books for python?
[06:54] <Doomhammer> how do I restart the network without restarting the whole box?
[06:54] <dedinje> can someone help with a question please?
[06:54] <farruinn> bash scripting and python have different purposes, don't they?
[06:54] <GuruFF> paulproteus; thx for jre, seams i have it running ok :>
[06:54] <Doomhammer> dedinje: sure, I'll try :)
[06:54] <farruinn> Doomhammer: maybe run dhclient
[06:54] <paulproteus> SQL_Sam: I suggest http://www.freenetpages.co.uk/hp/alan.gauld/
[06:55] <yuriko> yuchan
[06:55] <dedinje> I just installed ubuntu on my HD...and during installation I was only asked to setup a user and a password...but not a root password
[06:55] <myneeds> need help with networking. apt-get won't update. I can connect to a few sites like ubuntu.com and google.com but most nothing else.
[06:55] <thoreauputic> SQL_Sam: http://www.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide
[06:55] <yuriko> usan1919
[06:55] <dedinje> how do I do that?
[06:55] <Doomhammer> how do I add SSH to the default runlevel?
[06:55] <fazer> SQL_Sam: google for Dive Into Python
[06:55] <paulproteus> SQL_Sam: There's also http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/thinkCSpy
[06:55] <farruinn> dedinje: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:55] <HrdwrBoB> Doomhammer: just apt-get install ssh
[06:55] <fazer> SQL_Sam: its a free book.
[06:55] <paulproteus> fazer: Dive Into Python is very XML, HTML-processing oriented.
[06:55] <HrdwrBoB> Doomhammer: it will all be there automagically
[06:55] <Doomhammer> HrdwrBoB: ok, sweet :)
[06:55] <dedinje> thank you
[06:55] <SQL_Sam> sweet
[06:55] <fazer> paulproteus: which is good for a web developer like him ;)
[06:56] <thoreauputic> Doomhammer: it's added at boot automatically - just sudo apt-get install ssh
[06:56] <fazer> SQL_Sam: are you a web developer or anything like that? (dealing with XML/HTML)
[06:56] <thoreauputic> oops - I should read more carefully..
[06:56] <revelater> anyone here have neverwinter nights running?
[06:56] <SQL_Sam> i just wish there were more jobs available for linux - I hate MS shops
[06:56] <fazer> thoreauputic: its all cool.
[06:56] <SQL_Sam> i have
[06:56] <Doomhammer> thoreauputic: damn, I left the install CD in... brb...
[06:56] <SQL_Sam> I work with MS SQL Server a lot
[06:56] <revelater> could you tell me how to get sound working properly?
[06:57] <Deafcon> http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/ (LiveCD) recommended
[06:57] <SQL_Sam> XML is a bitch to parse in script....
[06:57] <revelater> ??
[06:57] <HrdwrBoB> SQL_Sam: ...
[06:57] <thoreauputic> revelater: I think you need to be a bit more specific about sound - like what card?
[06:58] <revelater> thoreauputic: sound is working, just not with the game i have...
[06:58] <paulproteus> HrdwrBoB: XMLParser.py is bundled with Python.
[06:58] <HrdwrBoB> paulproteus: I know this :)
[06:58] <SQL_Sam> hey about games - what is available for linux?
[06:58] <HrdwrBoB> not to mention XML is *easy* to aprse
[06:58] <paulproteus> And in Python, I use BeautifulSoup to parse HTML very easily.
[06:58] <HrdwrBoB> parse
[06:58] <paulproteus> I meant SQL_Sam, sorry HrdwrBoB :).
[06:58] <HrdwrBoB> it's the entire reason for its existance
[06:58] <HrdwrBoB> that's ok :)
[06:59] <paulproteus> Well-formed XML is easy, it's true.  Malformed XML parses fine with BeautifulSoup.
[06:59] <revelater> thoreauputic: do you have neverwinter nights?
[06:59] <HrdwrBoB> SQL_Sam: doom3, quake3, enemy territory ut2k4
[06:59] <thoreauputic> revelater: no, sorry
[06:59] <HrdwrBoB> SQL_Sam: many more work with wine and/or cedega
[06:59] <SQL_Sam> i've heard of wine
[06:59] <Doomhammer> I've had a really hard time getting ut2k4 running in Linux...
[06:59] <Doomhammer> I did it once, but never since :(
[06:59] <farruinn> revelater: try running killall esd before opening neverwinter nights
[06:59] <HrdwrBoB> I play battlefield 1942 and World of Warcraft and warcraft 3 with cedega
[06:59] <SQL_Sam> do you have to buy a linux version of the game?
[07:00] <dedinje> is it possible to install xfce on ubuntu...and if it is...what files do I need?
[07:00] <Doomhammer> SQL_Sam: no, the retail widnows install cds for ut2k4 have a linux installer included :)
[07:00] <SQL_Sam> sweet
[07:00] <Doomhammer> HrdwrBoB: is Cedega free? the only thing I've tried is WINEX, and that sucked... :P
[07:00] <thoreauputic> dedinje: sudo apt-get install xfce4
[07:00] <HrdwrBoB> Doomhammer: cedega is winex
[07:00] <HrdwrBoB> it's not free
[07:00] <SQL_Sam> i gotta try installing it (when i have more ram)
[07:00] <HrdwrBoB> but I've had very good results
[07:01] <Doomhammer> HrdwrBoB: hrm... do you notice any performance loss on Linux vs Windows?
[07:01] <jc> how do i login as a root ... everytime that i try to login say wrong password ... i only set up one passwrd to one login the default login ... are there any default password for root?
[07:01] <HrdwrBoB> Doomhammer: obviously there is some
[07:01] <HrdwrBoB> but I don't notice
[07:01] <SQL_Sam> sudo
[07:01] <HrdwrBoB> as I don't have or run windows
[07:01] <SQL_Sam> i know that one....
[07:01] <farruinn> jc: read www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:01] <Doomhammer> lets see if I can install UT2k4... 8)
[07:01] <jc> thanks
[07:02] <SQL_Sam> i know I gotta rebuild this box now - do i even have a video card...
[07:02] <Doomhammer> ok, here's a question: I pop in the CD, it automatically mounts it, I try to "sudo ./linux-installer.sh", and it says Permission Denied... what about that?
[07:03] <thr1ce> ugh, no luck with this fglrx
[07:03] <thr1ce> do I need the -dev pack ?
[07:03] <b2s> thr1ce: I did for some reason
[07:03] <farruinn> Doomhammer: you need root privileges to touch the filesystem?
[07:03] <thoreauputic> Doomhammer: do you have exec permissions on your cd drive in /etc/fstab?
[07:03] <benz> whats the best site for Konqueror extensions?
[07:03] <thr1ce> b2s, did you run through fglrxconfig ?
[07:03] <farruinn> oooh, or that
[07:03] <Doomhammer> it's a CDROM, so I can't touch it ... it's read only
[07:03] <b2s> thr1ce: not really.  I ran it but I didn't use the config
[07:03] <farruinn> not write, exec
[07:04] <b2s> I just grabbed a few small sections of output
[07:04] <thoreauputic> Doomhammer: that's not what I meant, but nm
[07:04] <thr1ce> b2s, just installed both fglrx and fglrx-dev for xorg, and it worked ?
[07:04] <thoreauputic> Doomhammer: are you in the right directory?
[07:04] <duken> hei
[07:04] <b2s> thr1ce: no it was a pain :)
[07:04] <Doomhammer> thoreauputic: I'm in /media/cdrom0, where the cdrom is mounted...
[07:04] <thr1ce> b2s, what else did you do ?
[07:04] <thr1ce> andrew@brouwers:~$ glxgears
[07:04] <thr1ce> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[07:04] <thr1ce> X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
[07:05] <farruinn> Doomhammer: did you run it with sudo?
[07:05] <thr1ce> sigh
[07:05] <duken> what's plugin must be install to playing file .dat on xine or totem player ?
[07:05] <thoreauputic> Doomhammer: the script isn't in a subdir on the CD ?
[07:05] <b2s> thr1ce: yes, you need the -dev package first
[07:05] <thr1ce> b2s, got that
[07:05] <Doomhammer> ah, there we go... I did run it with sudo, but I did "./linux-installer.sh" instead of "sh ./linux-installer.sh" :S
[07:05] <b2s> thr1ce: sorry, I didn't read your line correctly.  so then you need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:06] <dedinje> thank you for your help
[07:06] <dedinje> see ya
[07:06] <revelater> whoever told me to killall esd: it worked, but only for a while
[07:06] <thr1ce> b2s, alright; edit what exactly ?
[07:06] <SQL_Sam> I love this - looking on the job boards.  I love these people that want everything under the sun (.net everlanguage available - 5+ years database admin, web development etc, etc etc) 25000.00/year!
[07:06] <farruinn> revelater: only for a while?
[07:06] <b2s> most important: Driver "fglrx"
[07:06] <farruinn> revelater: was esd started again someone?
[07:06] <farruinn> somehow*
[07:06] <Doomhammer> the installer tells me to take out CD 1 and put in CD 2, but I can't because "it is busy"... what do I do? :O
[07:06] <b2s> for my setup, I also needed Option          "UseInternalAGPGART"    "no"
[07:06] <SQL_Sam> grumble, grumble......
[07:06] <revelater> farruim: not sure if it was started agai...
[07:06] <thr1ce> b2s, change it TO fglrx, or change it to ATI ?
[07:06] <b2s> though I'm told it depends on the mobo
[07:07] <b2s> thr1ce: change it to fglrx
[07:07] <thr1ce> b2s, ok, done
[07:07] <thoreauputic> Doomhammer: back out of the directory and eject the CD I guess
[07:07] <myneeds> any network help here?
[07:07] <Doomhammer> thoreauputic: ok... I'm thinking it's because the installer is running tho... :(
[07:07] <thoreauputic> Doomhammer: if you are in the dir, it *is* busy
[07:07] <fazer> mhmmm
[07:07] <b2s> thr1ce: I *think* those are the only really required changes, though I putted around for a long time before I switched the AGPGART line
[07:07] <revelater> farruim: no, it wasn't started again, but the sound is still glitching
[07:08] <farruinn> revelater: 'pgreg esd', if it gives you a number it's running
[07:08] <thr1ce> b2s, ok; then what, reboot ?
[07:08] <revelater> farruim: pgreg not found
[07:08] <farruinn> revelater: pgrep, sorry
[07:08] <b2s> thr1ce: well, yes, or do a logout and then ctl-alt-backspace to kill X if you think it will be restarted.
[07:09] <thr1ce> hm...ok
[07:09] <thr1ce> brb
[07:09] <revelater> farruim: no number
[07:09] <farruinn> I don't know then, I've never used neverwinter nights
[07:09] <revelater> farruim: what is esd anyways?
[07:10] <thoreauputic> enlightened sound daemon
[07:10] <revelater> farruim: and do you know how to install ut2k4?
[07:10] <waseem> Hi im having a problem with my nvidia video driver. Im at the ubuntuguide.org website and one of the commands is sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings
[07:10] <waseem> i keep on getting an error after pasting that command into the terminal
[07:10] <farruinn> sound daemon, controls the sound device, but everwinter nights doesn't know how to use it (apparently, there may be some setting)
[07:10] <mattcamp> Does anyone actually like esd?
[07:10] <Doomhammer> thoreauputic: it works if I don't run the isntaller in the console
[07:10] <farruinn> revelater: never had ut
[07:10] <benz> im using MS Virtual PC 2004 and Ubuntu is working great
[07:11] <mainer> waseem:try sudo su
[07:11] <thoreauputic> mattcamp: I doubt it :)
[07:11] <revelater> does anyone here know how to get ut2k4 installed from a dvd?
[07:11] <farruinn> mattcamp: that's why they're switching to polypaudio
[07:11] <revelater> it keeps asking me to put cd 1 in
[07:11] <waseem> mainer: same problem
[07:11] <Doomhammer> revelater: hrm... no idea, I'm still using CDs :P
[07:11] <mattcamp> Hmm, never heard of polypaudio
[07:12] <farruinn> another sound daemon
[07:12] <waseem> dpkg-divert: `diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 to /usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa by nvidia-glx' clashes with `diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 to /usr/lib/fglrx/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa by xorg-driver-fglrx'
[07:12] <thoreauputic> artsd sucks as well...
[07:12] <waseem> thats the error im getting
[07:12] <waseem> does anyone know what i can do to make it work?
[07:12] <revelater> anybody here play ut2k5??
[07:12] <revelater> i mean 4
[07:12] <Doomhammer> revelater: I DO! I DO! :)
[07:13] <revelater> ut2k4, and installed with a dvd?
[07:13] <b2s> waseem: why do you have fglrx and nvidia-glx both installed?
[07:13] <Doomhammer> revelater: ut2k4, installed with a CD :(
[07:13] <waseem> b2s: i dont remember installing either of them
[07:13] <revelater> Doomhammer: yes you told me this already... :P
[07:13] <Doomhammer> revelater: heh, I now :P
[07:13] <waseem> b2s: i think ubuntu automatically installed it for me
[07:14] <Doomhammer> know*
[07:14] <mattcamp> farruinn:  Cool.  I just looked it up on Google and am going to check it out.  I wrote my own sound daemon, USound (http://mattcampbell.us/usound/) about a year ago, but haven't done any work on it since then.
[07:15] <revelater> is there a channel for linux games?
[07:15] <waseem> b2s: how can i uninstall fglrx? would it screw up my computer if i did?
[07:15] <dedinje> another one...how do I access my windows partition ?
[07:15] <dedinje> how do I browse to it
[07:16] <fazer> wth is /dev/dsp
[07:16] <revelater> is there a channel for linux games?
[07:16] <Scuddie> Uh oh...
[07:16] <fazer> Sound recorder keeps on giving me an error regarding that.
[07:16] <Doomhammer> revelater: I've had good success with www.linuxquestions.org
[07:16] <revelater> forums are too slow
[07:16] <Scuddie> Well, I screwed up my menubar.
[07:17] <Doomhammer> Scuddie: oh god, what did you do?
[07:17] <Doomhammer> hehe
[07:17] <revelater> i need someone who has installed ut2k4 with a dvd...
[07:17] <Scuddie> I screwed it up.
[07:17] <jc> can somone help me how do i edit xorg.conf ... if i dont know how to have root privelages
[07:17] <HrdwrBoB> revelater: I have
[07:17] <Doomhammer> Scuddie: removed it? removed everything on it? what? are you asking for help with it?
[07:17] <waseem> i seem to have nvidia and fglrx both installed on my computer, what can i do to uninstall fglrx? would it screw up my computer?
[07:17] <revelater> HrdwrBoB: tell me how you got it working?
[07:17] <farruinn> Scuddie: you can delete the applicable things in .gconf
[07:17] <Scuddie> It's not what's there, it's what's not there.
[07:18] <HrdwrBoB> revelater: I just installed it
[07:18] <revelater> HrdwrBoB: well it just started asking me for disk 1 and such
[07:18] <Scuddie> I have Applications/Places/System menu, but everything else is gone.
[07:18] <fazer> Is there a good VLC client?
[07:18] <Scuddie> And it's just sitting in the menu bar
[07:19] <Scuddie> in the middle I mean
[07:19] <k-otik> does anyoen know where you put mplayer codecs?
[07:19] <Doomhammer> Scuddie: right click on the bar... ;)
[07:19] <Scuddie> And the bar got really big
[07:19] <IIIEars> does anyone know of a good automatic imaging program or script for linux usind "dd"?
[07:19] <subterrific> fazer: you mean vnc?
[07:19] <farruinn> Scuddie: I think if you delete ~/.gconf/apps/panel you will get a default config when you log in next
[07:19] <revelater> HrdwrBoB: didn't happen to you?
[07:20] <Doomhammer> do you guys think OGG Vobis is better than MP3 format?
[07:20] <thor|away> Doomhammer: yes
[07:20] <Scuddie> aye
[07:20] <revelater> yup
[07:20] <IIIEars> yes - unless you absolutely must have mp3s
[07:20] <subterrific> Doomhammer: yes. if for no other reason, it is free.
[07:20] <Doomhammer> so would it do anything to convert my MP3s --> OGGs?
[07:20] <revelater> nope
[07:20] <fazer> subterrific: ah yeah, damn.
[07:20] <Doomhammer> that's what I figured
[07:20] <thor|away> Doomhammer: not a good idea - you lose quality
[07:21] <fazer> subterrific: i tried vncviewer, but it won't apt-get.
[07:21] <IIIEars> Doom - nah - resampling will likely lose quality
[07:21] <Doomhammer> I'd have to rip them as OGGs originally, wouldn't I :(
[07:21] <subterrific> fazer: terminal client that ships with Ubuntu is good
[07:21] <thor|away> Doomhammer: preferably, yes
[07:21] <Scuddie> I see...
[07:21] <Doomhammer> can Winamp do that? if not, what ripping software do you use?
[07:21] <fazer> subterrific: ... oh.
[07:22] <IIIEars> are there any good scripts for the "dd" command?
[07:22] <thor|away> Doomhammer: sound juicer or grip
[07:22] <subterrific> fazer: Apps->Internet->Terminal Server Client
[07:22] <fazer> subterrific: thanks
[07:22] <fazer> subterrific: yeah, i found it, i am on xfce ;)
[07:22] <subterrific> fazer: np, good luck ;)
[07:22] <thor|away> Doomhammer: sound juicer is installed by default
[07:22] <Scuddie> Is there any good way to re-size the menubar at the top?
[07:22] <subterrific> ya, tsclient is the command
[07:22] <Scuddie> without deleting the conf ;)
[07:23] <farruinn> Scuddie: right-click, properties, size
[07:23] <Scuddie> It should be 24px, right?
[07:23] <farruinn> that's the default
[07:23] <Doomhammer> I like to have ONE bar at the bottom, at 50px, personally
[07:24] <Scuddie> Great.  Now to move the menubar to the left where it belongs...
[07:24] <thr1ce> when I logout, it goes back to a prompt; how can I make it go back to a nice gui ?
[07:24] <Doomhammer> left!? you're crazy hehehe :)
[07:24] <Doomhammer> thrlce: have you tried "startx"?
[07:24] <thr1ce> Doomhammer, yes, that starts gnome
[07:24] <thr1ce> not gdm
[07:25] <farruinn> um.... so do you want to use gdm?
[07:25] <Doomhammer> thrlce: hrm... have you tried running "gdm" as root?
[07:25] <zenrox> thr1ce,  sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[07:25] <b2s> thr1ce: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[07:25] <Doomhammer> ah ... heh, these guys know better than I do :P
[07:25] <waseem> can anyone help me with my nvidia video card problem?
[07:25] <Scuddie> I mean the app/places/sys menu.  The menubar goes on the left of the panel.
[07:25] <Doomhammer> waseem: no, sorry, all my boxen run ATI cards ;(
[07:25] <waseem> im trying to install it on my computer but it seems that fglrx is alreayd installed, what can i do to fix this?
[07:25] <b2s> waseem: sorry, I was afk.  to be clear, you do NOT have an ATI video card, just an nvidia one right?
[07:26] <waseem> ya
[07:26] <waseem> b2s: only an nvidia
[07:26] <farruinn> Scuddie: middle click on it and drag
[07:27] <Scuddie> Oh, sweet.  Thanks. :)
[07:27] <Doomhammer> glad ya figured it out, Scuddie :)
[07:27] <Doomhammer> damn I'm up late doing this...
[07:27] <b2s> waseem: then you should remove the ati drivers.  drivers might be different, but normally I'd say try "sudo apt-get remove fglrx"
[07:27] <Doomhammer> I was up till 2AM last night, and it's 11:30 PM now :P
[07:27] <IIIEars> << right clicking and middle clicking on everything and laughing gleefully.
[07:27] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: so far so good, but it's only bben a few horus :)
[07:28] <waseem> b2s: E: Couldn't find package fglrx
[07:28] <GuruFF> need help with MATLAB - anyone ????
[07:28] <St0n3-C0l> How to remove Galeon History ?
[07:28] <dr_willis> Hmm.. Just noticed that dma is off by default for my dvd drive..  there some service/config to manually be sure its on..
[07:29] <thor|away> dr_willis: hdparm
[07:29] <Doomhammer> thor, you're supposed to be away! :)
[07:29] <dr_willis> thor|away,  thats the command to enable it i know. :P but ive seen some disrtos with config files that make sure it turns on at every boot.
[07:29] <thor|away> Doomhammer: heheh
[07:29] <Scuddie> Well, it looks like I'm on a roll here.  Now to figure out why /dev/dsp is ALWAYS busy.
[07:29] <dr_willis> aha hdparm.conf :P there it is!
[07:29] <b2s> waseem: sorry, its xorg-driver-fglrx
[07:30] <Doomhammer> Scuddie: isn't /dev/dsp your sound card device? :O
[07:30] <IIIEars> Ubuntu is in everyway better than Redmond's 9X - "Breezy" should kick XP's butt.
[07:30] <Scuddie> Yes it is.
[07:30] <waseem> b2s: there isnt an fglrx package, so why is my computer detecting one?
[07:30] <Scuddie> Gnome plays sounds fine, but no other apps do.
[07:30] <i3dmaster> dr_willis: /etc/hdparm.conf
[07:30] <Doomhammer> ok, lets see if UT2k4 starts up... 8)
[07:30] <waseem> b2s: ok
[07:30] <Reblended> anyone here use a laptop? and anyone have problems with "panel fitting" or AKA "digital scaling"? I just saw there was a fix for the sony vaio with a hotkey for xp, but I wonder if I can use this fix with Ubuntu somehow? (could this question be related to making the special keys for laptops work with ubuntu?)
[07:31] <Reblended> supplied link: http://support.intel.com/support/graphics/intel815/sb/CS-004249.htm
[07:31] <Scuddie> Reblended:  Did you set your smoothing to monocolor?
[07:31] <Doomhammer> ok, I have the same problem... /dev/dsp is always busy, and UT2k4 says "Couldn't find matching GLX visual" :(
[07:31] <farruinn> Scuddie: make sure those other apps are configured to use esd
[07:32] <MistaED> where is the ut2k4 cd key stored?
[07:32] <Scuddie> esd=?
[07:32] <MistaED> i typoed mine
[07:32] <Scuddie> I can't use OSS?
[07:32] <Reblended> Scuddie, not yet, I'm just seeing if there is a fix or if I have to worry about it.. I'm hoping to get xserver to run soon
[07:32] <Reblended> Scuddie, pci setting for my card, an intel 82815, is what I need, I think?
[07:32] <duken> hot to make xine support for playing DAT files
[07:33] <duken> how to make xine support for playing DAT files
[07:33] <Scuddie> Oh...  Well, I don't know anything about intel video chipsets.
[07:34] <Reblended> well, they're peanuts,
[07:34] <Reblended> I found out too late
[07:34] <Conor> i installed xine-lib and when i try to configure xine-ui it says xine-lib isnt installed, i'm stumped ><
[07:34] <Scuddie> But once you install, you'll need to disable smoothing or set smoothing to monocolor if you want to read anything.
[07:35] <Reblended> Scuddie, thx for the tip.. and would that be a setting found under desktop...?
[07:35] <Scuddie> system->preferences->fonts
[07:35] <Reblended> Scuddie, when running the live cd on an HP laptop it looked pretty good
[07:36] <Reblended> the only thing that I didn't get working was the special keys on the laptop... like volume, etc
[07:36] <Scuddie> You weren't looking at white text over black.
[07:36] <Reblended> ahh
[07:36] <Scuddie> And that messes up smoothed text like nobody's business.
[07:36] <Reblended> ok
[07:37] <Reblended> how strange
[07:37] <Scuddie> I know.  I wouldn't have guessed either.
[07:37] <waseem> b2s: thanks for the help, nvidia is installed now
[07:37] <Scuddie> It was only by accident that I figured it out.
[07:37] <Reblended> happens, nice huh?
[07:38] <Reblended> Scuddie, so, what kind of laptop? or is this just a desktop with lcd?
[07:39] <Scuddie> No, it's CRT
[07:39] <Scuddie> But it gets worse with LCDs
[07:39] <Conor> what's +e?
[07:39] <Reblended> so, a feature isn't
[07:41] <Scuddie> The feature is designed to ease upon the eyes, and smooth text at high point sizes.  But it messes things up at low point sizes, especially if the text is brighter than the background.
[07:41] <Reblended> so it uses osa or anti-aliasing then
[07:41] <Scuddie> I would say it's best for office employees to prevent eye fatigue.
[07:41] <Reblended> I'd guess
[07:41] <Reblended> retina burn
[07:42] <Scuddie> lol, no retina burn :D
[07:42] <Scuddie> It's just that most office environments run at 800x600 or some absurd number like that.
[07:43] <Scuddie> And almost always have a black over white color scheme.
[07:44] <Dreamer3_> Scuddie: what is?
[07:44] <Reblended> it's funny, I had to show a lady at my bank how to adjust her crt alignment and sizing controls...
[07:44] <Reblended> and she was running at too low a rez too
[07:44] <dr_willis> my wife  has to set her icons and fonts to be REAL huge.. :P
[07:44] <Dreamer3_> Reblended: no one knows how to do that :)
[07:44] <dr_willis> 800x600 with 1 inch high letters.
[07:44] <Reblended> she had a border around her screen that measured about one inch!
[07:44] <waseem> I installed the nvidia driver correctly and im trying to play descent three, the movies work but it wont go to the menus. It exits the game and displays the following error message in the terminal: Failed to load library[libGL.so] . Descent 3 Message(Error: Failed to load library [libGL.so] . ) System Error.
[07:44] <Dreamer3_> Reblended: i do that for every customer i have
[07:45] <Reblended> Im like. would you like to use this empty space?
[07:45] <IIIEars> someone asked whether they could play UT2K4 on linux - the DVD version (maybe CDs too?) includes a linux installer.
[07:45] <Dreamer3_> Reblended: i just do it and don't ask
[07:45] <waseem> does anyone know what the problem might be?
[07:45] <Reblended> lol dr_willis
[07:45] <dr_willis> waseem,  do any other 3d games work?
[07:45] <waseem> tuxracer works
[07:45] <Scuddie> so, what's this ESD I need to setup my audio apps to work with?
[07:45] <Reblended> waseem, just curious, are you using wine?
[07:46] <IIIEars> Quake3 is ported to linux no?
[07:46] <dr_willis> IIIEars,  yes it is
[07:46] <Scuddie> And why doesn't OSS work?
[07:46] <IIIEars> americas army has a port to linux i believe
[07:46] <freex> elow rum
[07:46] <Reblended> waseem,  is this a linux version?
[07:46] <freex> how can i change my UID?
[07:47] <dr_willis> IIIEars,  there is - not sure when the last update on AA was however.
[07:48] <asubedi> Scuddie: ESD is the enlightenment sound daemon and you should not setup the aduio
[07:48] <Dreamer3_> i thoguht hoary was gonna do away with esd :)
[07:49] <freex> how can i change my UID?
[07:49] <IIIEars> ***Dreamer3 - I need a script for the "dd" command do you know of any?
[07:49] <asubedi> Scuddie: if sound is not working for you, it may be some bug. So file it in bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[07:49] <IIIEars> i would like to back everything up
[07:49] <freex> anyone?
[07:49] <waseem> reblended: yes its a linux version
[07:49] <dr_willis> IIIEars,  you may want to check out some other backup tools - instead of dd.
[07:49] <Reblended> how do I change my root user id?
[07:49] <waseem> reblended: no i do not use Wine
[07:50] <IIIEars> partimage? -
[07:50] <freex> how can i change my UID?
[07:50] <Reblended> freex...
[07:51] <Reblended> freex http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1874.html < does this help?
[07:51] <Reblended> freex I'm still looking
[07:51] <Dreamer3_> IIIEars: what are youw anting to backup exactly?
[07:51] <thoreauputic> Reblended: root's uid is always 0 - I don't understand what you want to do
[07:52] <waseem> since the descent3 i have is a linux version and nvidia is correctly installed, is there any reason why it isnt working?
[07:52] <Reblended> well, freex has asked how to change a UID...
[07:52] <Scuddie> Hey guys, what's the best de-interlacing mode?
[07:53] <dr_willis> waseem,  seems like its want ing some gl library
[07:53] <robstockley> ubuntu hangs on boot at 'Configuring Network Connections' until times out with a 'temporary name resolution failure' then all is well. Primary network interface is wireless, only loopack is auto. Is there something I can put in /etc/resolve.conf to fix this?
[07:53] <waseem> hmm ya im looking on google
[07:54] <Reblended> thoreauputic, I actually have a more important question concerning what pic? code I should use for my graphics card
[07:54] <Reblended> thoreauputic, I can't get xserver to run
[07:54] <dr_willis> waseem,   i think nvidia has its own GL libs it uses - not sure - been ages.. where did ya get the descent3 from anyway?
[07:54] <ert> hello
[07:54] <thoreauputic> Reblended: you've tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[07:55] <Reblended> thoreauputic, yes. and it asks me for some kind of pci:0:2:0 code... I tried the default and then I tried it blank... could this be the problem?
[07:55] <GuruFF> lo :) is there a way to change theme for X, not for gnome not for gtk gtk2 but for X plain X ????
[07:55] <thoreauputic> Reblended: I don't know, to be frank
[07:56] <revelater> is tehre some kind of an equivalent to this in ubuntu? :export SETUP_CDROM=/path/to/your/mounted/cdrom
[07:56] <Reblended> thoreauputic, thx for being frank =]
[07:56] <revelater> *there
[07:56] <dr_willis> revelater,  thats just a bash variable set
[07:56] <Reblended> set an alias?
[07:56] <dr_willis> its a variable :P not an alias
[07:56] <Reblended> ok
[07:56] <dr_willis> export FOO=100
[07:56] <revelater> dr_willis: it gives me command not found
[07:56] <shinzui> hi
[07:57] <dr_willis> revelater,  the : is not part of the command. :P
[07:57] <dr_willis> revelater,  installing UT2004?
[07:57] <revelater> dr_willis: yes
[07:57] <Reblended> who me? shinzui =]
[07:57] <shinzui> can anyone help me with an annoying installer bug
[07:57] <thoreauputic> GuruFF: X is just a protocol -m you can't theme X: you can only theme X clients (window managers etc)
[07:57] <ert> hi to all
[07:57] <dr_willis> revelater,  COPY the installer binary from the cd to your home dir.. then run it after expoorting that variable. (otherwise you cant eject the cd to put in the next one)
[07:58] <andrew_> anyone recommend NOT going to breezy ?
[07:58] <Reblended> thoreauputic,  well can you change the startup splash?
[07:58] <RexM> what's the word.. when you don't think there's evidence of god, but you don't believe he doesn't exist either?  it starts w/ an A...
[07:58] <revelater> dr_willis: its a dvd, it has all the cds on it already
[07:58] <dr_willis> revelater,  cool
[07:58] <Reblended> RexM,  an egg-nogstic
[07:58] <Burgundavia> andrew_, I do
[07:58] <thoreauputic> Reblended: the Gnome startup? Yes
[07:58] <andrew_> Burgundavia, why ?
[07:58] <Reblended> tx
[07:58] <revelater> dr_willis: not cool enough....
[07:58] <RexM> Reblended: that sounds right, but is it spelled w/ egg- ?
[07:58] <revelater> dr_willis: doesn't work
[07:58] <Burgundavia> andrew_, not very stable yet. The sync from debian sid is not yet complete
[07:58] <Reblended> RexM,  lol no
[07:59] <andrew_> Burgundavia, oh...hm; any idea when a good tiem would be ?
[07:59] <shinzui> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7213
[07:59] <Reblended> RexM, agnostic = root word, Gnostic = Greek means "to know"
[07:59] <Burgundavia> andrew_, early May
[07:59] <dr_willis> revelater,   care to give a LITTLE more details. :P
[07:59] <andrew_> ok...I can't get this damn ATI drivers to work
[07:59] <thoreauputic> RexM:  heh - agnostic
[07:59] <Reblended> RexM, the "secret knowledge"
[07:59] <Burgundavia> andrew_, there is going to be a lot of work during the UDU conference, whcih ends on April 30
[07:59] <andrew_> so I was hoping the newer drivers would help
[08:00] <RexM> Reblended: thoreauputic thanks ;)
[08:00] <revelater> dr_willis: basically, it asks me to put the play disk into the drive, meaning it can't see itself
[08:00] <ert> hai
[08:00] <ert> malayalikal undo
[08:01] <revelater> dr_willis: so i need to force it to see itself
[08:01] <dr_willis> revelater,  perhaps you set that veriable wrong.. what is your command you are doing to set the export.
[08:01] <revelater> export SETUP_CDROM=/path/to/your/mounted/cdrom
[08:01] <revelater> export SETUP_CDROM=/media/cdrom0
[08:01] <revelater> dr_willis: ssecond one, messed up the first
[08:01] <dr_willis> lol
[08:02] <dr_willis> ok.., i was HOPEING you were not that dense. :P
[08:02] <revelater> dr_willis: yes yes i know, tehre is no such directory
[08:02] <dr_willis> you could manually mount the cdrom to /mnt/cdrom
[08:02] <dr_willis>  thats proberly the default location for it.
[08:02] <dr_willis> other then that - not sure what else to tell ya.
[08:03] <revelater> dr_willis: problem is that the terminal is telling me that export is not a command..
[08:03] <dr_willis> ugh.. you are useing bash?
[08:04] <revelater> dr_willis: i guess so
[08:04] <revelater> didn't say bash: anywhere though
[08:04] <thoreauputic> echo $SHELL
[08:04] <dr_willis> export foo=100
[08:04] <thr1ce> to switch to an 686 kernel...
[08:04] <dr_willis> echo $foo
[08:04] <thr1ce> must I remove the 386 ?
[08:04] <dr_willis> prints 100  :P
[08:04] <da_bon_bon> thr1ce: no need to
[08:05] <thr1ce> da_bon_bon, just install the 686, and leave the 386 installed ?
[08:05] <revelater> dr_willis: that works
[08:05] <dr_willis> a spare kernel entry in your boot menu can save your backside at times.
[08:05] <da_bon_bon> thr1ce: yes. and during bootup, select the proper kernel in GRUB
[08:05] <mainer> ubuntu makes the grub entru automatically,anyway
[08:05] <thr1ce> ok
[08:06] <thr1ce> what class does an athlon xp classify as ?
[08:06] <revelater> dr_willis: "sigh" should i try to go and get help from the developers?
[08:06] <da_bon_bon> thr1ce: i think u must "cat /proc/cpuinfo"
[08:07] <thoreauputic> thr1ce: try typing uname -m to see your arch
[08:07] <thr1ce> i know it's 686
[08:07] <thr1ce> nevermind
[08:07] <dr_willis> problery need to google
[08:08] <Reblended> Corel, they are responsible for Debian... is this the same Corel that created Corel Draw?
[08:08] <thoreauputic> it would be k7 or something like that ( not sure - i run intel here)
[08:08] <shinzui> does anyone know when's the next daily cd?
[08:09] <viviljan> sorry, I dont
[08:09] <mainer> they were not respnsible for debian,they developed a debian-based distro,like ubuntu is debian-based
[08:09] <salvestrini> hello all
[08:09] <viviljan> hi
[08:09] <Reblended> mainer, tx
[08:09] <salvestrini> i have successfully solved my fan problem with a nifty little app
[08:09] <Reblended> salvestrini, yah?
[08:09] <salvestrini> not surprisingly it's called fan
[08:09] <viviljan> whitch country you all come from?
[08:09] <Reblended> LOL
[08:10] <Reblended> < from the most hated country?
[08:10] <salvestrini> anyways the app turned the fan off
[08:10] <salvestrini> of on
[08:10] <aluusima> hi
[08:10] <holycow> Reblended, texas?
[08:10] <salvestrini> depending on the need
[08:10] <Reblended> salvestrini, great!
[08:10] <holycow> -_-
[08:10] <Reblended> holycow, ROFL
[08:10] <IIIEars> << "Fan" - writes it down - grin
[08:10] <Reblended> salvestrini, and automatically?
[08:10] <holycow> oh you sad that already
[08:10] <holycow> hehe :)
[08:10] <thoreauputic> salvestrini: on the contrary, when a *nix app has a sensible name, it's *very* surprising ;)
[08:10] <Reblended> salvestrini, you are it's biggest fan, eh?
[08:10] <salvestrini> now here's the interesting part, i want to run this app for two minutes every five minutes, how can i do this?
[08:10] <aluusima> hello , I live in finland:)
[08:11] <fazer> Damn
[08:11] <aluusima> where you live??
[08:11] <fazer> My Terminal Server Cient crashed =(
[08:11] <viviljan> i was just interrested.. its the first time i use linux and noticed chat
[08:11] <Reblended> thoreauputic, I was just thinking about the short name for Linux... "a faerie" or "nix"... would be right to say "nux" or 'tux" =p
[08:11] <mainer> salvestrini:anacron
[08:11] <Reblended> viviljan, how cool! what box are you running?
[08:12] <delltony> how do you go about mounting root as read only so you can run fsck on the reiserfs ?  i tried shutdown -Fr now and it doesn't appear to do a scan
[08:12] <delltony> i have even tried touch /forcefsk
[08:12] <viviljan> box?
[08:12] <da_bon_bon> can someone plz explain what technology does ubuntu use that enables me to apt-get off the live cd?
[08:13] <salvestrini> viviljan by box it means what distribution of linux you have installed
[08:13] <holycow> da_bon_bon, well ... apt-get
[08:13] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: apt-cdrom is the command
[08:13] <da_bon_bon> holycow: try apt-get on warty live :P
[08:13] <salvestrini> da_bon_bon it's the beauty of debian
[08:13] <Reblended> sry viviljan.. was on another window...
[08:13] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: apt-cdrom add to add a CD
[08:13] <IIIEars> apt-get from the "Live" CD? - hm - no cloop or compression trouble?
[08:13] <holycow> da_bon_bon, well its a live cd, you know you can't install on that right?
[08:13] <viviljan> ubuntu hoary 5.04?
[08:14] <mainer> union file system from a university project,made popular by knoppix 3.8 CEBIT edition
[08:14] <holycow> knoppix has some limited capacity for that
[08:14] <Reblended> great! viviljan
[08:14] <da_bon_bon> holycow: u can, on hoary live cd.. or so i was informed. was i wrong ?
[08:14] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: the live cd is a read-only file system
[08:14] <Reblended> holycow,  I have =]
[08:14] <IIIEars> knoppix with union? - interesting
[08:14] <Reblended> thoreauputic, I've installed ndiswrapper, and Blender3D to name a couple
[08:14] <Reblended> on Live CD
[08:14] <holycow> da_bon_bon, maybe, but all you are doing is installing stuff to ram if thats what you are wondering
[08:14] <Reblended> or scratch disk
[08:14] <holycow> live cds mostly load them selves to ram and create a scratch disk
[08:14] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: someone informed me that u can apt-get and install stuff on hoary live
[08:14] <thoreauputic> Reblended: ah OK - I stand corected :)
[08:15] <thoreauputic> OK
[08:15] <Reblended> thoreauputic, it's ok =]
[08:15] <da_bon_bon> holycow: oh, so not persistent, even on hard disk
[08:15] <holycow> when you install its first to ram if there is space then tossed on scratch disk
[08:15] <IIIEars> mainer do you have the link?
[08:15] <holycow> da_bon_bon, correct, hense 'live cd'
[08:15] <thoreauputic> you can on knoppix, I seem to recall - so that makes sense i guess
[08:15] <mainer> i'll check
[08:15] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: only on knoppix 3.8.1 which uses unionfs
[08:15] <Reblended> how's the boot to lan work? where's the installation files stored, etc?
[08:16] <da_bon_bon> holycow, thoreauputic: if u read the sounder list archives, u will know
[08:16] <mainer> http://www.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu/project-unionfs.html
[08:16] <IIIEars> AH, Thank You :)
[08:16] <holycow> da_bon_bon, know what?
[08:16] <mainer> welcome
[08:16] <da_bon_bon> holycow: know what i am talking about
[08:17] <holycow> i think its you that has no clue what your talking about
[08:17] <holycow> i already answered your question
[08:17] <holycow> take it or leave it
[08:17] <Reblended> holycow, I actually got the live cd to boot! but then xserver let me down
[08:17] <da_bon_bon> holycow: :P how can i apt-get on a live filesystem ? what if my ram is full ?
[08:17] <salvestrini> okay i've boned the anacron man but still i dont know how to set up an anacron job such as the fan runs for two minutes every five minutes
[08:17] <holycow> da_bon_bon, read what i 'fin' wrote
[08:17] <Reblended> then I did a sudo dpkg reconfig of the xserver and all I get is a gdk? fail
[08:17] <aluusima> sorry...I am just a starting this thing...I live in finland
[08:18] <holycow> the rest is stored in a scratch filed
[08:18] <holycow> why do i haveto type this twice?
[08:18] <holycow> file even
[08:18] <da_bon_bon> holycow: "fin" ?
[08:18] <Reblended> aluusima I wonder why I can't "tab" your name...
[08:18] <mainer> they write it to ram or use an installd swap-partiton or you mount a scratch partiton,many ways
[08:19] <da_bon_bon> holycow: ohok
[08:19] <holycow> :)
[08:19] <mainer> depends on the cd
[08:19] <thoreauputic> Reblended: heh I can't tab his name either - how odd
[08:19] <holycow> da_bon_bon, thats now 3 times that someone has typed that out for ya
[08:19] <Reblended> thoreauputic, whew! not just me =]
[08:19] <delltony> how do you remount the filesystem to readonly please? mount -n -o remount,ro / says / is busy
[08:19] <holycow> clear yet?
[08:20] <Reblended> thoreauputic, xchat bug?
[08:20] <salvestrini> honestly what i have now is a crude hack, i have fan -n  & running at gnome startup in order 80
[08:20] <thoreauputic> Reblended: dunno - I'll fire up irssi and check :)
[08:20] <Reblended> Wouldn't it be awesome to write the ram to disk just after initial boot to the GUI and just boot to that everytime at start up?
[08:20] <Reblended> thoreauputic, ah? ok
[08:21] <salvestrini> this is done in system / preferences / sessions on ubuntu hoary
[08:21] <mainer> delltony:re-boot the system,you cant change it if it's mounted
[08:21] <mainer> at re-boot,runs fsck auto anyway
[08:21] <delltony> ok reboot but then what?
[08:21] <delltony> well how come it never finds anything?
[08:21] <delltony> and always says not clean?
[08:22] <da_bon_bon> Reblended: there is no user like aluusima
[08:22] <Reblended> da_bon_bon, just a figment of my imagination?
[08:22] <mainer> what's it say,exactly
[08:22] <revelater> can emulators install programs?
[08:22] <Dreamer3_> Reblended: just writing the exact stuff to disk (the startup files) in sequential access on the desk can result in like 50% startup times
[08:22] <salvestrini> yes revelater they can
[08:22] <da_bon_bon> Reblended: ??
[08:22] <Dreamer3_> Reblended: disk*
[08:22] <delltony> well i was getting input/output issues when trying to install kubuntu-desktop
[08:22] <revelater> salvestrini: easily?
[08:22] <Reblended> Dreamer3_, so really, sorta worth it?
[08:22] <delltony> so i figured harddrive filesystem
[08:23] <Dreamer3_> Reblended: *shrugs*
[08:23] <thoreauputic> Reblended: um - I don't think aluusima is here actually
[08:23] <Dreamer3_> Reblended: i don't start that often
[08:23] <Reblended> thoreauputic, how weird!  da_bon_bon
[08:23] <delltony> http://pastebin.com/272656 thats the error i get
[08:23] <Reblended> that user was just here... oh well
[08:23] <salvestrini> revelater: YMMV with that, depends on how you configured the emulator
[08:23] <delltony> as far as what it says at boot thats gonna be tuff to tell you exactly :( anything specific other than it says Filesystem NOT clean
[08:24] <mainer> delltony- i just re-installed today,i run several distros off/on,no windows, and installed kde3.4,had no errors,system fsck's fine at boot,sounds like maybe a bad partiton or you tre-used an old partiton w/o re-formatting,not sure
[08:24] <ubuntu> Hey, before I install Ubuntu I'm just curious, what version of gnome does it come with?
[08:24] <Reblended> yes, that unionFS very interesting: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/6654
[08:24] <thoreauputic> Reblended: yes, I did a /whowas
[08:24] <mainer> 2.10
[08:24] <b2s> ubuntu: 2.10 I think
[08:24] <ubuntu> ok thank
[08:24] <ubuntu> s
[08:25] <Reblended> thoreauputic, and they weren't registered?
[08:25] <mainer> www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:25] <ubuntu> and also i would just like to say id never use the name ubuntu, im just using the live cd right now
[08:25] <thoreauputic> -- [aluusima]<EMAIL_ADDRESS>: Unknown
[08:25] <Reblended> thoreauputic, funny, first time I've heard of that, whowas =]
[08:25] <da_bon_bon> delltony: strangeee
[08:25] <thoreauputic> Reblended: ^^^
[08:25] <Reblended> thoreauputic,  ic
[08:25] <delltony> mainer, thats why i wanted to run a fsck on it
[08:25] <delltony> cause the pc is new
[08:25] <da_bon_bon> ubuntu: 2.10.1
[08:26] <delltony> anyway ill play with it thanks
[08:26] <mainer> delltony ,try using the rescue feature when booting off the cd
[08:26] <thoreauputic> Reblended: old Jedi trick, Luke ;-)
[08:26] <Reblended> thoreauputic, heh
[08:27] <Reblended> thoreauputic, I'd like to see what happens when you try /whoistocome
[08:27] <thoreauputic> Reblended: that requires tachyon support in the kernel ;-)
[08:28] <Reblended> thoreauputic, ROFL
[08:28] <Reblended> thoreauputic, or a borg hack
[08:28] <Reblended> *temporal
[08:28] <thoreauputic> ... a whole new meaning for "pre-emptive"
[08:29] <Reblended> apt-get -i future-kernel
[08:29] <mainer> delltony: if a new pc it's probly the reiser fs,it's been buggy on some h/w,best to use ext3
[08:29] <delltony> i have been told the exact same about ext3
[08:29] <Reblended> error, brain-network disconnected, please insert spinal interface
[08:29] <delltony> strange
[08:30] <thoreauputic> Reblended:  "unable to fetch some archives - perhaps try --fix-missing?"
[08:30] <Reblended> heh
[08:30] <mainer> not true to my knowledge,but google and read,that's the articles,i've seen,
[08:30] <mainer> well-night all,have a good day today:))
[08:31] <Reblended> wow... it is
[08:31] <Reblended> thoreauputic,  just make up the missing as you go along =D
[08:31] <Reblended> apt-get -i combine all programs into one big all-in-one
[08:31] <thoreauputic> Reblended: you clearly don't believe in predestination ;)
[08:32] <Reblended> thoreauputic, very perceptive
[08:32] <tga> is it just me or do the Ubuntu kernels have cpufreq somehow b0rked?
[08:32] <thoreauputic> Reblended: have you read "In the Beginning Was the Command Line" ?
[08:33] <Reblended> thoreauputic, No! lol but I have seen the excel '97 easteregg... in the beginning was excel...
[08:34] <Reblended> thoreauputic, cryptonomicon?
[08:34] <thoreauputic> http://www.cryptonomicon.com/command.zip
[08:34] <thoreauputic> Reblended: yes
[08:34] <thoreauputic> Neal Stephenson
[08:34] <Reblended> peeking inside
[08:34] <Reblended> ahh txt
[08:34] <revelater> what new games have come out for linux?
[08:35] <Reblended> wowsers.. that's a hulk
[08:35] <revelater> !hulk
[08:35] <thoreauputic> Reblended: interesting though - well worth reading
[08:35] <revelater> ??
[08:35] <thoreauputic> revelater: Frozen Bubble!
[08:36] <thoreauputic> well,, not new, but addictive...
[08:36] <Reblended> thoreauputic, LOL... I jumped to the bottom and I suddenly got futureshocked... something about an OS for daily life?
[08:36] <revelater> thoreauputic: is there a place i can go to find out about new games?
[08:36] <Mr-Petah> hi all
[08:36] <revelater> thoreauputic: for linux?
[08:36] <thoreauputic> revelater: yes, something like "Happy Penguin"
[08:36] <revelater> thoreauputic: and where do i got frozen bubble?
[08:36] <Reblended> revelater, linux comes with GCC, you can make your own! or learn python and use Blender to 3D model
[08:37] <thoreauputic> google that
[08:37] <Mr-Petah> hi bienve
[08:37] <thoreauputic> revelater: sudo apt-get install frozen-bubble
[08:37] <bienve> Mr-Petah, hi what happend ?
[08:37] <bienve> xd
[08:37] <Mr-Petah> here... reading
[08:37] <Mr-Petah> an u?
[08:37] <Mr-Petah> xD
[08:37] <bienve> Mr-Petah,  cool.
[08:37] <bienve> chilling
[08:37] <zodman> juaz
[08:37] <bienve> xD
[08:37] <Reblended> thoreauputic, install = -i ?
[08:37] <Mr-Petah> :P
[08:38] <sebas__> ( Sistema Operativo ) Linux  Ubuntu 6.10 - Breezy || Enterprise server - W2K bassed Kernel: 2.6.10-5-k7, GNU/Linux | Xorg: 6.8.2 | Escritorio: KDE: 3.4.0 | Cliente IRC: X-Chat v.2.4.1
[08:38] <stas> hi
[08:38] <Mr-Petah> wow
[08:38] <revelater> thoreauputic: you mean happypenguin.org?
[08:38] <stas> how do I make xearth work in ubuntu?
[08:38] <bienve> : o
[08:38] <Mr-Petah> Linux  Ubuntu 6.10 - Breezy || Enterprise server - W2K bassed ?!?!?!?!?!
[08:38] <Mr-Petah> lol
[08:38] <stas> xearth is the best thing ever
[08:39] <stas> and it doesn't work in ubuntu
[08:39] <stas> !!!!!
[08:39] <stas> !!!!!!!
[08:39] <stas> !
[08:39] <dr_willis> Hmm.. perhaps you need to tell the desktop/window manager to allow programs on the desktop
[08:39] <thoreauputic> revelater: that sounds like it - I'm not a gamer but I've heard of it
[08:39] <bienve> q viva el diablo
[08:39] <bienve> xD
[08:39] <salvestrini> hello
[08:39] <Mr-Petah> sebas__, hi man! you have a good OS
[08:39] <Reblended> stas, like scorched earth?
[08:40] <Mr-Petah> incredible hibrid
[08:40] <Reblended> stas no wait... a shaded image of the earth?
[08:40] <salvestrini> quick quiestion how can i set up an anacron job for a program to run for two minutes every five minutes?
[08:40] <revelater> thoreauputic: that frozen bubble thing is like 12 megs of downloading, better be worth it....
[08:40] <dr_willis> salvestrini,  you mean to Kill it - if it stays around for more then 2 min?
[08:40] <revelater> thoreauputic:  :P
[08:40] <Reblended> 2 mins with cable, revelater
[08:40] <thoreauputic> revelater: heh - question of taste I guess
[08:40] <thoreauputic> revelater: it's fun
[08:41] <salvestrini> dr_willis no i mean run for two minutes, wait five minutes, then run again
[08:41] <salvestrini> and so on
[08:41] <Reblended> stas,  still here?
[08:41] <Reblended> stas 169k for the source: http://www.hewgill.com/xearth/
[08:41] <Reblended> can't you compile for linux?
[08:42] <Reblended> or won't it work?
[08:42] <revelater> thoreauputic:  wow, is everything on that websit free?
[08:42] <Reblended> oss = free
[08:42] <thoreauputic> revelater: as far as I know
[08:43] <Reblended> thoreauputic, if I have the linux source, can't I compile with DJGPP and run it on windows?
[08:43] <Shufla> hello
[08:44] <Reblended> thoreauputic,  or is that not how porting works?
[08:44] <thoreauputic> Reblended: I have no idea, sorry
[08:44] <salvestrini> dr_willis the program is for a laptop fa control
[08:44] <thoreauputic> Reblended: I don't think it's that simole, no
[08:44] <thoreauputic> *simple
[08:44] <Reblended> thoreauputic, yah, I wouldn't think so. =]
[08:44] <salvestrini> for some reason the fan does not turn on automatically
[08:44] <salvestrini> andi want to preserve battery
[08:45] <salvestrini> so basically what i want to do is to run the fan program for two minutes every five minutes
[08:46] <Reblended> why would running a program in console be a good idea?
[08:46] <Reblended> ( I know that some programs only run in console )
[08:46] <thoreauputic> Reblended: less to go wrong, less resources, easy to script, blah blah
[08:47] <Reblended> thoreauputic, hmm. thx
[08:47] <thoreauputic> some programs just don't need a gui at all
[08:47] <Shufla> i've got some problems with postfix+sasl - anyone here got time? i've got to much to explain, and I don't want to trash your screens :D
[08:47] <Reblended> ic
[08:47] <salvestrini> and for future reference the fan program can be found at rpmfind
[08:48] <thoreauputic> Reblended: also you can do a lot with non-X apps - eg mp3blaster is a console music player, mc is a console file manager etc
[08:49] <IIIEars> h
[08:49] <Reblended> hmm...
[08:49] <Reblended> just curious: thoreauputic,  what game is this? http://happypenguin.org/images/nogravity.jpg
[08:50] <thoreauputic> I have no idea , sorry :)
[08:50] <Reblended> oh I found it...
[08:50] <Reblended> heh
[08:50] <salvestrini> lol i was watching the apple 2 screen saver
[08:50] <dr_willis> 'mc' is well worth getting and useing. :P
[08:50] <salvestrini> brings back memories
[08:50] <thoreauputic> I'm not a gamer, as I said
[08:50] <Reblended> thoreauputic,  me either... (I try not to)
[08:50] <Reblended> thoreauputic,  funny.. happypuppy / happypenguin
[08:51] <tga> anyone running Ubuntu on an AMD laptop?
[08:51] <tga> can I just use a debian kernel-image on hoary?
[08:52] <da_bon_bon> tga: i'd say no
[08:52] <thoreauputic> tga: not recommended
[08:52] <tga> because..
[08:52] <da_bon_bon> tga: coz debian aint hoary
[08:53] <salvestrini> hoary is based on debian
[08:53] <thoreauputic> tga: different patches and functionality
[08:53] <salvestrini> but it's not a flavor of debian
[08:53] <da_bon_bon> but is not debian, tga
[08:53] <tga> thoreauputic: that's my problem, the Ubuntu kernels are b0rked.. some crappy cpufreq patch
[08:53] <da_bon_bon> tga: actually, u want what, the latest kernel ? compile your own
[08:54] <salvestrini> yep
[08:55] <tga> I don't feel like it, I'd rather use a decent canned kernel
[08:55] <Reblended> who here pronounces it "Lih-nicks" no "Luh-eye-nucks"?
[08:55] <da_bon_bon> tga: ubuntu isnt based on debian, it uses debian package manager
[08:56] <thoreauputic> tga: maybe if you say what the problem is, someone will know a fix
[08:56] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: dude.. ubuntu is based on debian
[08:56] <thoreauputic> Reblended: anyone with half a clue :)
[08:56] <tga> powernowd doesn't like my cpu.. it claims it's "known not to be supported"
[08:56] <Reblended> thoreauputic,  heh
[08:56] <Shufla> who's using ubuntu as server here?
[08:56] <fabbione> tga: file a bug on powernowd
[08:57] <thoreauputic> Reblended: I can send you a recording of Linus Torvalds saying it, if you like
[08:57] <fabbione> tga: powernowd decides what cpufreq modules to load
[08:57] <da_bon_bon> tga: do us a favor, just ask on -devel whether kernel is "b0rked" and then if no solution, file a bug
[08:57] <Reblended> thoreauputic, Yep, I just heard it last night
[08:57] <Reblended> thoreauputic, ty
[08:57] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: my bad :(
[08:57] <thoreauputic> Reblended: :)
[08:57] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: and no.. you dont't send people to -devel for this kind of questions
[08:57] <tga> it gets better.. if I load the cpufreq module, change the frequency, unload the module and load it back up then it will report the minimum frequency as the maximum one
[08:57] <Reblended> thoreauputic, I like the first way.. but I've heard a convincing argument for the latter
[08:57] <fabbione> you check first bugzilla
[08:58] <tga> I managed to get it to report my cpu supports scaling between 0MHz and 1MHz or something
[08:58] <fabbione> tga: do you have a p4?
[08:58] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: sorry, my bad again
[08:58] <thoreauputic> Reblended: linus pronounces his name linus, not lie -nus
[08:58] <tga> nah, powernow-k7
[08:58] <tga> athlon xp-m
[08:58] <Reblended> thoreauputic, yes,, like leen-us
[08:58] <thoreauputic> Reblended: right
[08:59] <tga> basically once I get the frequency down to 500MHz I can't bring it back up
[08:59] <fabbione> tga: we are aware of problems with p4, but not with k7. please file a bug on powernowd with cpufreq as keyword
[08:59] <tga> will do
[08:59] <fabbione> tga: it's the same problem as the p4 i think
[08:59] <fabbione> there was a very intrusive patch coming out to fix that issue
[08:59] <thoreauputic> Reblended: mind you,, he's on record as saying he doesn't care how you pronounce linux
[08:59] <fabbione> but it was posted 3 days before release
[08:59] <fabbione> to dangerous to include
[08:59] <Reblended> thoreauputic, just that you use it/ =]
[09:00] <thoreauputic> Reblended: World Domination!!
[09:00] <thoreauputic> Reblended: mwuhahaha
[09:00] <Shufla> re
[09:01] <Reblended> thoreauputic, there's a guy that says, once Linux is mainstream, then viruses will be common for linux... I wasn't gonna argue with him, but I was like, yah, and you're reading Microghanda
[09:01] <thoreauputic> Shufla: wb
[09:01] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: so, pursuant to our conversation on devel, can such bugs like the one tga has, be fixed on hoary or wait till next release. its not a security issue ?
[09:01] <thoreauputic> Reblended: people who say that don't know anything about unix or linux
[09:02] <Shufla> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1784 - I spent 6 hours :(:(:(
[09:02] <Reblended> thoreauputic, nope.. but he did know a little about Linus... but that doesn't count
[09:03] <Reblended> thoreauputic, the whole security issue is, don't install it unless you trust it, right?
[09:03] <tga> da_bon_bon: the decent thing to do would be to fix the kernel and have a new version available
[09:03] <da_bon_bon> tga: i agree. thats why my question :
[09:03] <da_bon_bon> :)
[09:03] <thoreauputic> Reblended: well, that goes for any OS - but hey, you can't look at source code to check in a non-free OS, can you ?
[09:04] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: no. hoary is a stable release, and as such will only get security fixes
[09:04] <Reblended> thoreauputic, yah, but until I get a lot of time to read code, when will I do it?
[09:04] <Reblended> people can always reverse engineer... decompile? thoreauputic
[09:04] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: damn! so such showstopper bugs wont be fixed ? :(
[09:04] <tga> fabbione: so in what repository will a fixed kernel package go?
[09:05] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: a very well known behaviour (even if buggy) is better than destroying working setups
[09:05] <da_bon_bon> tga: breezy
[09:05] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: cpufreq is NOT a showstopper
[09:05] <thoreauputic> Reblended: reverse engineering won't show you the original source code
[09:05] <fabbione> tga: breezy
[09:05] <tga> fabbione: it is if you're using a laptop
[09:05] <fabbione> tga: i have laptops too and it is not a showstopper
[09:05] <Reblended> ah,
[09:05] <fabbione> a showstopper is when the kernel doesn't boot or eats your disk
[09:06] <fabbione> cpufreq is an extrafeature
[09:06] <fabbione> also
[09:06] <tga> fabbione: having 20 min battery life on a lappy that sounds like a leafblower isn't much fun either
[09:06] <fabbione> it can easilybe powernowd that is setting the wrong data in /proc to scale the freq
[09:06] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: laptop users really need cpufreq
[09:06] <|QuaD-> is anyone here using OOo2?
[09:06] <Reblended> rofl tga
[09:06] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: i have 4 testing laptops here... dude..
[09:06] <tga> fabbione: btw, I also got a frozen machine earlier.. I see the bug already exists
[09:06] <tga> fabbione: that means you're not using them on the move
[09:07] <Reblended> fabbione my sony vaio is quiet.. even with the fan going full out.. but it's only an 850
[09:07] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: and keeping them connected to AC, u wont notice, huh ?
[09:07] <tga> which is.. the whole point of laptops
[09:07] <fabbione> tga: i do also test without power supply.. that's part of the test cycle
[09:07] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: and cpufreq doesnt matter ?
[09:07] <Reblended> my sis's p4 (full size chip) 3.2 laptop is fairly quiet... even running ubuntu
[09:07] <da_bon_bon> oh, great
[09:07] <Dreamer3> i want a solid-state laptop
[09:08] <da_bon_bon> well, i really MUST get a laptop and get rid of this silly Piii 550mhz :(
[09:08] <Reblended> HP has 3 patents on the heatsink for their p4 laptop
[09:08] <tga> 550 MHz is all you need for a lappy, most of the time
[09:08] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: it matters only to a certain deegre.
[09:08] <tga> I usually scale my 1.4GHz athlon down to 550MHz anyway
[09:08] <fabbione> but no.. i don't get problems like from 4 hours battery life to 20 minutes
[09:08] <Reblended> da_bon_bon, what brand is it?
[09:08] <fabbione> if that's the case your battery has issue
[09:08] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: oh, no point in me continuing arguement, coz i dont have any lappies :(
[09:09] <da_bon_bon> Reblended: its a assembled desktop pc, not laptop
[09:09] <Reblended> my battery is kaput after a couple years... spendy too
[09:09] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: so why are you arguing so hard?
[09:09] <thoreauputic> Reblended: re: spyware/untrusted software - install Win XP and Zone Alarm, then watch as the OS phones home...
[09:09] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: on behalf of all laptop users :) ?
[09:09] <tga> fabbione: is there a fixed kernel in breezy yet?
[09:09] <Reblended> < laptop user x2 and I don't have that problem
[09:10] <fabbione> tga: not yet. i am preparing 2.6.12 right now
[09:10] <tga> ok, I won't roll my own then
[09:10] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: and because i feel that atleast bugfixes are necessary, even on "frozen" releases
[09:10] <fabbione> tga: + there is another problem that needs to get fixed before i can upload a kernel
[09:10] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: it's for your own good, accept it ;-)
[09:10] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: the latter will never happen.
[09:10] <fabbione> tga: the main blocker for me to upload right now is mkinitrd
[09:11] <|QuaD-> i am noticing that spell check in OOo2 doesn't work, can anyone try to confirm thsi?
[09:11] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: latter as in bugfixes on frozen?
[09:11] <fabbione> tga: so i need to wait that it is fixed
[09:11] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: right
[09:11] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: haha - of course, I forgot - how stupid of me ;)
[09:11] <fabbione> and hoary is not frozen.. it is a stable release
[09:11] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: oh, bad! and is firefox 1.0.2 -> 1,0,3 counted as a security issue ?
[09:11] <fabbione> there is a difference tehre
[09:11] <Dreamer3> fabbione: you package the kernels?
[09:12] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: from what archive did you get that?
[09:12] <da_bon_bon> Dreamer3: yes. read the wiki a bit
[09:12] <fabbione> Dreamer3: yes
[09:12] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: get it ? i am just asking. coz mozilla says its a bug fix release
[09:12] <\sh> hmmm
[09:12] <Dreamer3> fabbione: maybe you could help me... (i haven't confirmed it's the kernle yet - just booted back to <IP_ADDRESS>) but with hoary my memory slowly gets all used up, goes into swap, until the system becomes unusable
[09:12] <\sh> guys...I'm totally crazy
[09:13] <tga> thanks for the information \sh
[09:13] <\sh> I want to swap from gentoo to ubuntu on a live enviroment ;)
[09:13] <Dreamer3> fabbione: i quit X, go to single user (like 4 processes) and sitll have 400mb in use)
[09:13] <tga> \sh: you're crazy for running gentoo in the first place, the rest doesn't matter :)
[09:13] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: i don't understand what you mean.. did you upgrade to 1.0.3 from hoary?
[09:13] <\sh> now, I have a 80gig hd with gentoo running, ok
[09:13] <\sh> a second hd with 40gig and this should be the ubuntu install hd for now
[09:13] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: no. i mean, will firefox in hoary ever be upgraded to 1.0.3 ?
[09:13] <Dreamer3> fabbione: i mean i reboot before it's impossible to use, but after 2-3 days it's sluggish, swapping, overloaded
[09:13] <jc> can someone help me set up my screen resolution .. for some reason the only option is 640x480 ... i want to set it to 1240x68 .. i have ubuntu 5.0
[09:13] <Reblended> how is Suse pronounced?
[09:13] <fabbione> Dreamer3: that could be a memory leak somewhere. you need to check what process is leaking
[09:14] <tga> Reblended: depends what country you live in :)
[09:14] <fabbione> Dreamer3: i don't see any leak here on hoary and my ws has weeks of uptime
[09:14] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: no, hoary will get the security fixes.
[09:14] <thoreauputic> Reblended: something like zoo-za I think
[09:14] <fabbione> as i already explained to you
[09:14] <Reblended> tga heh
[09:14] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: package makes no difference
[09:14] <Reblended> thoreauputic, ahh
[09:14] <Dreamer3> garrut_: yeah, i don't notice it on another PC, just my laptop, but i don't really use stuff outside of the base system
[09:14] <Dreamer3> fabbione: yeah, i don't notice it on another PC, just my laptop, but i don't really use stuff outside of the base system
[09:15] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: u mean, firefox security fixes will be backported for hoary ?
[09:15] <tga> I'm not even sure how 'Ubuntu' is pronounced
[09:15] <Reblended> \sh, I was gonna get a second drive, or even dual boot, then said, nah, kick it... and backed up my drive to cd and I'm trying to get xserver to run now
[09:15] <thoreauputic> ooboontoo
[09:15] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: exactly
[09:15] <Reblended> tga lol like a baseball BUNT with u on each end
[09:15] <Dreamer3> fabbione: could it be a kernel thing?
[09:15] <thoreauputic> Reblended: no
[09:15] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: it makes a differnece... the about screen wont show latest version... and i am a stickler for latest version. what do u suggest, the backports repo ?
[09:15] <Dreamer3> you-bun-too
[09:15] <Reblended> thoreauputic, heh, sound african, your way
[09:16] <Reblended> ooh-boon-tu
[09:16] <fabbione> Dreamer3: yes, but i seriously doubt. a memory leak of that size would be noticed by plenty of users
[09:16] <thoreauputic> Reblended: it's an african word :)
[09:16] <jc> can someone help me set up my screen resolution .. for some reason the only option is 640x480 ... i want to set it to 1240x68 .. i have ubuntu 5.0
[09:16] <da_bon_bon> hey, ya, can someone gimme a AMR or WAV file with the correct pronunciation of ubuntu ?
[09:16] <Reblended> ooh-boon-tu, yes? thoreauputic
[09:16] <fabbione> Dreamer3: i tend to believe that it is a local application with your specific settings
[09:16] <thoreauputic> Reblended: yeah
[09:16] <Dreamer3> fabbione: hmmm...
[09:16] <tga> jc: what video card do you have?
[09:16] <jc> onboard
[09:16] <tga> onboard 1 or onboard 2?
[09:16] <Dreamer3> fabbione: well, if <IP_ADDRESS> continues to work i'll say you're proven wrong, but if not how would i find the app?
[09:16] <cusco> hi I woke up just now and I was doing a sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:17] <jc> 1
[09:17] <Dreamer3> fabbione: i mean i open and close apps all day long
[09:17] <DrecoZA> jc, check ubuntuforums.org multiple solutions there
[09:17] <cusco> altho my password for sudo dindn't work 3 times
[09:17] <cusco> and now
[09:17] <fabbione> Dreamer3: one test could be to boot the laptop in single user and let it there for a while and see what happens
[09:17] <jc> k thanks
[09:17] <cusco> it syays that Im not on the suduers file
[09:17] <da_bon_bon> cusco: visudo and add urself
[09:17] <fabbione> Dreamer3: not if the application uses a feature that is in 2.6.10 only
[09:17] <tga> da_bon_bon: he can't get sudo to work, how do you think he can visudo?
[09:17] <Dreamer3> fabbione: what am i expecting, the memory to grow of it's own accord? :)
[09:18] <\sh> ok...now u know what I wanted to do...what is the best way to do it? debootstrap?
[09:18] <tga> cusco: you have to use the account that you created at install time
[09:18] <da_bon_bon> tga: oh, right... my bad :(
[09:18] <cusco> tga: and I did
[09:18] <tga> \sh: can't you just reboot?
[09:18] <tga> \sh: you have to reboot anyway
[09:18] <\sh> tga: no
[09:18] <\sh> later
[09:18] <da_bon_bon> cusco: try telinit 1 and pico or nano /etc/sudoers
[09:18] <Dreamer3> fabbione: interesting... so you'd think it'd be one of the daemons then?
[09:18] <\sh> tga: i need to install first...and the server is far away from me
[09:18] <tga> da_bon_bon: editing /etc/sudoers is evil, that's what visudo is for
[09:19] <fabbione> Dreamer3: as i said it can even be both :)
[09:19] <\sh> tga: so no cd install possible, everything has to be done remote
[09:19] <fabbione> Dreamer3: a ps ax should show what application is sucking memory
[09:19] <\sh> tga: as i said, i'm crazy
[09:19] <cusco> cusco is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[09:19] <cusco> cusco@prometheus:~/eggdrop$
[09:19] <fabbione> Dreamer3: also, are you sure you are not confusing the mem usage with cache and buffers?
[09:19] <Dreamer3> fabbione: yes, i know how cache and buffers work :)
[09:19] <tga> \sh: one thing you could do is copy the livecd on the other drive, but that would be weird
[09:19] <da_bon_bon> tga: its not that difficult
[09:20] <fabbione> Dreamer3: ok... just wanted to make sure :)
[09:20] <tga> \sh: if it's a server you could just do a debootstrap and go with debian
[09:20] <Dreamer3> garrut_: i quit X drop to single user and still 300mb+ is in use (not accounted for)
[09:20] <\sh> tga: deboostrap with a kernel and grub...so i have to install it and reboot and hope that everything is running fine
[09:21] <tga> \sh: that's not ubuntu however
[09:21] <tga> \sh: although you'll probably be better off
[09:21] <Dreamer3> fabbione: i quit X drop to single user and still 300mb+ is in use (not accounted for)... this is the -/+ line, i'm not gettin gbuffers and cache included
[09:21] <\sh> tga: but i want to use ubuntu ;)
[09:21] <Dreamer3> fabbione: so if <IP_ADDRESS> works out... reboot into 2.6.10 and do what?
[09:21] <Dreamer3> fabbione: console?
[09:21] <|QuaD-> why owon't anyone answer me about OOo2 :(
[09:21] <Dreamer3> fabbione: though that really isn't great cause i use this for work :)
[09:21] <nnonix> tga is bitter
[09:22] <\sh> hmmm
[09:22] <\sh> what about this
[09:22] <\sh> running qemu with the install iso
[09:22] <thoreauputic> \sh: debootstrap is available in ubuntu (it's in main, in fact)
[09:22] <\sh> trying to access via qemu the second harddrive
[09:22] <Dreamer3> fabbione: that's the thing i open and close so many apps... firefox uses a LOT... i've seen it up to 200mb i think... but isn't that normal?
[09:23] <tga> nnonix: while ubuntu is marginally better on a desktop I don't see the point of using it on a server atm
[09:23] <\sh> thoreauputic: i don't need debootstrap on ubuntu ;) i need ubuntus debootstrap on gentoo ;)
[09:23] <tga> nnonix: but that's just me
[09:23] <Dreamer3> fabbione: and i tend to leave firefox open indefinately as well
[09:23] <thoreauputic> \sh: OK :)
[09:23] <nnonix> tga: I wouldn't argue with that statement.
[09:24] <topyli> |QuaD-: because nobody dares using it since it's too unstable still :)
[09:25] <|QuaD-> topyli: lol thanks
[09:25] <|QuaD-> haha
[09:26] <topyli> tga: i don't see why ubuntu wouldn't be a good server too. just like debian, only it's more up to date :)
[09:27] <da_bon_bon> topyli: ubuntu is more up to date than debian ? lol, u r joking.
[09:27] <Reblended> how do I find the BusID of my video card?
[09:27] <moneyfirst> I just install ubuntu a few hours ago and it's very amazing. Docs <_-- very nice for newbie
[09:27] <Huwge> df -h .
[09:27] <Huwge> ooops <blush>
[09:28] <Reblended> moneyfirst, cool! what machine are you running?
[09:28] <moneyfirst> anyway... can someone help me with WPA ( wireless enscription )
[09:28] <topyli> da_bon_bon: i'm not joking. servers use stable distributions you know. woody doesn't exactly have the latest and greatest
[09:28] <moneyfirst> I'm running intel p3 with 512 mb ram.. old comp
[09:28] <Reblended> yah moneyfirst
[09:28] <tga> topyli: it wouldn't be much worse, but I don't see people making it significantly better either
[09:28] <tga> topyli: like including php5 packages for instance
[09:28] <moneyfirst> but it perform good with ubuntu
[09:28] <Reblended> moneyfirst, I just did wep the other day
[09:28] <moneyfirst> the wireless card is working
[09:29] <Reblended> moneyfirst, great!
[09:29] <moneyfirst> and should be the wpa
[09:29] <Reblended> moneyfirst, have you found the wpa settings?
[09:29] <moneyfirst> but i need help in configuring the wpa supplicant
[09:29] <moneyfirst> btw, wpa supplicant <-- installed already
[09:29] <Scuddie> Omigod.
[09:29] <fabbione> Dreamer3: the only way to see if it is a kernel memory leak is to boot in single user and let it sit there for a while
[09:29] <moneyfirst> I found the tutorial in the wiki
[09:29] <moneyfirst> but can't understand it
[09:29] <fabbione> Dreamer3: and yes.. i do understand that you use the laptop
[09:29] <Reblended> moneyfirst, got the url?
[09:29] <topyli> tga: well, if that's what you need, you find a distro that has it of course
[09:30] <moneyfirst> wait...give me a second
[09:30] <da_bon_bon> topyli: right. that way, ok. but sarge and sid are much more updated than hoary... but i guess u cant compare them... :)
[09:30] <fabbione> Dreamer3: firefox isn't really the best thing to test with :P
[09:30] <Reblended> moneyfirst, k
[09:30] <Dreamer3> fabbione: so, anything terrible about sticking with <IP_ADDRESS> (if it works) or moving to a newer kernel?
[09:30] <Burgundavia> da_bon_bon, sarge is older than hoary
[09:30] <Burgundavia> da_bon_bon, and breezy just synced to breezy
[09:30] <bosewicht> da_bon_bon?
[09:30] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: can I have some of your crack/
[09:30] <Burgundavia> da_bon_bon, hoary did too, until the upstream version freeze
[09:30] <fabbione> Dreamer3: ok.. let say you quit X.. is there anything else running in background that is sucking memory?
[09:30] <moneyfirst> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WPAHowto
[09:31] <Scuddie> Perhaps someone can tell me why my sound configuration reports the OSS device as a Realtek ALC650f?
[09:31] <Dreamer3> fabbione: no, i dropped to single user mode... and logged in... bash (1 or 2 other small things) then kernel tasks
[09:31] <moneyfirst> Reblended : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WPAHowto this is the url
[09:31] <Reblended> moneyfirst, yep... got it thx
[09:31] <topyli> da_bon_bon: sid is sid, not really a stable platform. testing is even worse, it's the last one to get security updates. i wouldn't use testing even on a desktop
[09:32] <Dreamer3> fabbione: yet still 300/400mb in use
[09:32] <thoreauputic> Scuddie: because your sound device is a Realtek ALC650f???
[09:32] <da_bon_bon> Burgundavia: didnt i say that u cant compare them ? i'd say that breezy can be compared to sid and sarge...
[09:32] <da_bon_bon> Burgundavia: are u sure that sarge is older than hoary ??
[09:32] <Reblended> reading up... moneyfirst sry, thought you had said wep.. but let me take a look
[09:32] <moneyfirst> Reblended : ok, i'll wait :>
[09:32] <bosewicht> sarge is really old
[09:32] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: :P whaddya mean, i am hung ?
[09:32] <\sh> http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html
[09:32] <\sh> this is what i need ;)
[09:33] <Scuddie> I honestly had no idea Realtek has anything to do with nVidia's MCP-T audio chipset
[09:33] <Reblended> moneyfirst, did you run the script?
[09:33] <St0n3-C0l> I installed linux-image-2.6.10-5-686 and it gave me kernel panic
[09:33] <St0n3-C0l> strange!
[09:33] <moneyfirst> Remenic I haven't try it, since i can't understand what it told
[09:33] <St0n3-C0l> I've linux-image-2.6.10-5-386
[09:33] <topyli> da_bon_bon: sid is a nice desktop though, if you know how to fix it when it breaks :)
[09:33] <Hmm> err
[09:33] <Hmm> oot@1[knoppix] # chroot /mnt/hda7/ /bin/bash
[09:33] <Hmm> chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory
[09:33] <Dreamer3> fabbione: i mean there were services and stuff, so to be sure i dropped to runlevel 1, and still no dice (still memory used)
[09:33] <da_bon_bon> topyli: really ? why is sarge the last to get security updates ?
[09:33] <moneyfirst> Reblended I haven't try it, since i can't understand what it told
[09:34] <Reblended> moneyfirst, ahh
[09:34] <liable> bosewicht: whay do you mean sarge is really old? its not even released yet
[09:34] <KarlosII> why won't it let me chroot?
[09:34] <St0n3-C0l> Scuddie: Realtek makes LAN devices ?
[09:34] <thoreauputic> KarlosII: are you sure you have the right partition there?
[09:34] <topyli> da_bon_bon: testing doesn't get security updates. packages get from sid to testing sometimes, and you can hope they have no problems
[09:34] <moneyfirst> Reblended so far i only installed the wpa supplicant using synaptics
[09:34] <Dreamer3> fabbione: any other comments, i hvae to split?
[09:34] <KarlosII> thoreauputic: yea it is, I'm trying to fix my ubuntu install
[09:35] <bosewicht> with the debian repos, all of them are old, if u don't use extra repos, u will have a relatively old system
[09:35] <KarlosII> I'm getting kernel panics
[09:35] <St0n3-C0l> KarlosII: same problem with me too!
[09:35] <thoreauputic> so hda7 is your root partition?
[09:35] <KarlosII> yes
[09:35] <Reblended> moneyfirst, ok.. and it says to copy your wpa_supplicant.conf to /etc and edit it...
[09:35] <St0n3-C0l> I am updating my kernel and kernel panic :s
[09:35] <nate> Is there a repository anywhere on the net for Ogg Theora format videos?
[09:35] <St0n3-C0l> thankgod I didn't removed the other one :P
[09:35] <nate> ie, any videos that can be played natively by Ubuntu?
[09:36] <KarlosII> root@1[knoppix] # ls /mnt/hda7/bin/bash
[09:36] <KarlosII> /mnt/hda7/bin/bash
[09:36] <thoreauputic> nate: good question - if you find out please tell me
[09:36] <Dreamer3> fabbione: anything?
[09:36] <da_bon_bon> topyli: oh, but whats the real difference between sid and sarge ? i mean, sid is just updated faster, right ?
[09:36] <thoreauputic> nate: I've only found one
[09:36] <KarlosII> hmm
[09:36] <Bazzi> da_bon_bon and with more risky packages
[09:36] <Bazzi> as in, may not work
[09:36] <nate> thoreauputic: oh? which one?
[09:36] <nj> nate: i wouldnt mind knowing either ;)
[09:37] <nate> it's something it would be good to put in the FAQ, or on the Wiki I guess, if we find any
[09:37] <St0n3-C0l> da_bon_bon: Sid is unstable branch and Sarge is in testing...
[09:37] <topyli> da_bon_bon: new upstream versions get to sid. if they have no problems for a while (a few weeks) and there are no conflicts, they get to testing
[09:37] <St0n3-C0l> both are diff :P
[09:37] <nate> at present I haven't found even one
[09:37] <p0si> got a question about upgrading warty to hoary... changed my sources.list to "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted" and ran apt-get update (successful) but upgrade/dist-upgrade does not find any packages to update. if I try to install something manual it complains about missing dependencies/version-nr -- any ideas/hints for me???
[09:37] <KarlosII> thoreauputic: no idea i take it
[09:37] <nate> or at least I found one that only played audio
[09:37] <KarlosII> ...
[09:37] <thoreauputic> nate: only one video I mean
[09:37] <nate> thoreauputic: right, that's what I thought
[09:37] <sparkling> hi all
[09:38] <St0n3-C0l> p0si: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main universe multiverse restricted
[09:38] <Reblended> thoreauputic, can you make sense of this for moneyfirst (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WPAHowto)
[09:38] <nate> there isn't even a sample test video that comes with Totem, is there?
[09:38] <St0n3-C0l> and then
[09:38] <thoreauputic> nate: http://www.polycrystal.org/lego/movies/a_new_computer.ogg
[09:38] <St0n3-C0l> p0si: apt-update
[09:38] <nate> woohoo
[09:38] <St0n3-C0l> apt-get update**
[09:38] <topyli> da_bon_bon: the real difference is that sid is not even meant to be released, ever
[09:38] <da_bon_bon> hey, can someone gimme a AMR or WAV file with the correct pronunciation of ubuntu ?
[09:38] <nate> downloading
[09:38] <p0si> st0n3-c0l: thats what I did...
[09:39] <thoreauputic> Reblended: no, I'm profoundly ignorant about wifi, sorry
[09:39] <da_bon_bon> topyli: and sarge is frozen at a point in time to be woody, right ?
[09:39] <nate> da_bon_bon 'my name is Mark Shuttleworth and I prounounce Ubuntu Ubuntu'?
[09:39] <St0n3-C0l> p0si: Strange.
[09:39] <St0n3-C0l> cat /etc/issue
[09:39] <da_bon_bon> nate: not my idea of a joke :P
[09:39] <cor1> hello
[09:40] <zerokarmaleft> nate, i used thoggen to rip a short DVD just to test how Theora looked/performed
[09:40] <nate> we should have that as a video :)
[09:40] <corp_> manzanita: ole!
[09:40] <corp_> i have just installed a KDE theme, but it doesnt show up in the themes list
[09:40] <corp_> i installed it via Synaptic
[09:40] <comfrey_> hey all
[09:40] <corp_> what do i have to do to make this theme show up?
[09:41] <nate> ooh
[09:41] <St0n3-C0l> Breezy has started putting some updates
[09:41] <Reblended> thoreauputic, any thoughts?
[09:41] <St0n3-C0l> and I've updated all of them;)
[09:41] <comfrey_> i am trying to figure out what is loading psmouse every time my box boots?
[09:41] <comfrey_> is it discover?
[09:41] <nate> I see now on the Theora.org site there are videos of the Fedora development conference from late March
[09:41] <thoreauputic> Reblended: sorry, on what?
[09:41] <topyli> da_bon_bon: it becomes stable, yes. but it will be released as sarge and the new testing will get its own name
[09:42] <da_bon_bon> topyli: oh ok.. right.
[09:42] <Reblended> thoreauputic, on wifi lol know anyone here that can help?
[09:42] <Reblended> thoreauputic,  it's a wpa question
[09:42] <liable> comfrey_: discover or hotplug
[09:42] <da_bon_bon> also, i dont know what debian has got to do with stupid toy story 2 :(
[09:42] <Dreamer3> is breezy even usable?
[09:42] <Dreamer3> is it mostly hoary right now or what?
[09:42] <thoreauputic> Reblended: as I said, I know nothing about it, sorry
[09:42] <Reblended> thoreauputic, np
[09:42] <comfrey_> liable: interesting...   i will investigate
[09:43] <Reblended> thoreauputic, I'm wondering if you can make sense of the steps, though?
[09:43] <Shufla> da_bon_bon: read debian history....
[09:43] <liable> comfrey_: if you want it to stop, you will have to blacklist it in both
[09:43] <da_bon_bon> Dreamer3: some dude on devel told me to wait..
[09:43] <da_bon_bon> Shufla: where ?
[09:43] <nate> hmm
[09:43] <nate> A New Computer is Creative Commons Sharealike
[09:43] <Shufla> da_bon_bon: try google or wikipedia. second debian leader was Pixar's employer
[09:43] <nate> we could distribute it as a demo movie if it's any good...
[09:43] <comfrey_> ok, i have it blacklisted in discover and now will do the same in hotplug
[09:44] <comfrey_> and vesa too
[09:44] <Dreamer3> da_bon_bon: well, yeah, it's probably not recommended to run :) i was juast asking sine it was being discussed
[09:44] <nate> wait
[09:44] <thoreauputic> nate: it's cute
[09:44] <comfrey_> i have a i855GM and am trying to get better video than vesa, but unsure of the fb to use
[09:44] <nate> according to the website, it's ogg Audio only?
[09:44] <nate> MPEG4/Ogg
[09:44] <thoreauputic> nate: no, it's a vid
[09:45] <Reblended> theora = ogg
[09:45] <da_bon_bon> Shufla: oh ok. that explains it...
[09:45] <nate> sure
[09:45] <thoreauputic> nate: I have it here
[09:45] <nate> no
[09:45] <nate> Ogg is a container format
[09:45] <nate> Theora is a codec
[09:45] <da_bon_bon> anyway, i'm off guts
[09:45] <thoreauputic> right
[09:45] <da_bon_bon> s/guts/guys
[09:45] <da_bon_bon> bye
[09:45] <da_bon_bon> cya later
[09:45] <ace2001ac> what '-dev' package has the pthread lib in it
[09:45] <nate> are you sure it's not using Xvid as the video codec?
[09:45] <Reblended> nate so I can encode with other than theora and still contain it in ogg?
[09:46] <comfrey_> wondering if i810 is the best fbdev for 855gm or if i should use intelfb
[09:46] <thoreauputic> nate: the file extension is .ogg for both audio and video
[09:46] <nate> I believe so
[09:46] <comfrey_> it seems that intelfb is way outa date
[09:46] <nate> yes, that's not my point
[09:46] <comfrey_> ok, heres a reboot for psmouse
[09:46] <thoreauputic> nate: peter@panarchy:~/video $ file a_new_computer.ogg
[09:46] <thoreauputic> a_new_computer.ogg: Ogg data
[09:46] <nate> ...
[09:47] <nate> I'm not disputing that
[09:47] <tga> extensions are sooo last century
[09:47] <nate> but Ogg does not imply Theora
[09:47] <Reblended> k
[09:47] <nate> any more than QuickTime implies Xvid
[09:47] <thoreauputic> nate: I know
[09:47] <Reblended> thoreauputic,  he was telling me
[09:47] <Reblended> =]
[09:47] <Seveas> ace2001ac, pthreads is part of glibc
[09:47] <nate> oh wait
[09:48] <nate> he does have a Theora encoding on his site, as well as Xvid/Vorbis
[09:48] <nate> whew
[09:48] <nate> I was afraid it was this one: http://polycrystal.org/lego/movies/a_new_computer-small-mpeg4-vorbis.ogg
[09:48] <thoreauputic> nate: there's a small version that's mpeg/ogg as well
[09:48] <nate> that'll be it
[09:48] <ace2001ac> Seveas: hmm... so I shouldn't be getting this error? "undefined reference to `pthread_key_create'"
[09:49] <St0n3-C0l> From Spirit and Love you get Independence!
[09:50] <thoreauputic> nate: have you tried the bigger one? It plays well here
[09:50] <Reblended> anyone here know how to setup WPA? moneyfirst needs help with it: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WPAHowto
[09:50] <nate> yay
[09:50] <nate> it's playing
[09:50] <jubei> when i use sudo -u username -s i cant start X applications, why is this?
[09:51] <Seveas> ace2001ac, have you linked it against -lpthreads?
[09:51] <Seveas> Reblended, i wrote the wpahowto :)
[09:52] <Daehlie> jubei: gksudo command
[09:52] <jubei> ok tah
[09:52] <jubei> will that work with kde?
[09:52] <ace2001ac> Seveas: ah, I'll try
[09:52] <thoreauputic> jubei: kdesu I think
[09:52] <nate> hee hee hee
[09:52] <\sh> hehe
[09:52] <\sh> starting my adventure
[09:53] <nate> can we make a .deb for this and get it added to Universe or Multiverse?
[09:53] <Burgundavia> nate, which?
[09:54] <thoreauputic> nate: you could suggest it in #ubuntu-motu I guess
[09:54] <nate> Burgundavia: A New Computer, as a demo Theora file for Totem
[09:54] <Seveas> moneyfirst?
[09:54] <nate> I remember Windows 95 had a music video clip it shipped with
[09:54] <Burgundavia> nate, lol
[09:54] <Burgundavia> nate, might be good
[09:55] <nate> 'Good Times', I think
[09:55] <Scuddie> I need to know...  How do I force a resolution upon gnome?
[09:56] <Reblended> moneyfirst, ty more for the caution of wep...
[09:56] <Reblended> bye all!
[09:56] <ace2001ac> Seveas: it worked, thanks
[09:56] <Seveas> Scuddie, you don't, you force a resolution upon X
[09:56] <Scuddie> Yeah, I know...
[09:56] <Seveas> Scuddie, edit your xorg.conf (hoary) or XFree86-4 (warty)
[09:57] <IIIEars> Hi! - Do i need a plugin for totem/xine to play DVDs?
[09:57] <UsefulIdiot> you certainly do
[09:57] <Seveas> IIIEars, yes
[09:58] <IIIEars> xine-dvdnav?
[09:58] <UsefulIdiot> read the media stuff here: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[09:58] <Scuddie> That should be in /etc, right?
[09:58] <liable> Scuddie: /etc/X11/balh
[09:58] <IIIEars> lol - rtfm - lol - okay - you might guess i am new.
[09:58] <liable> s/balh/blah
[09:58] <IIIEars> Thank You :)
[09:59] <UsefulIdiot> there's a section thing on dvd playback
[09:59] <pvanhoof> aspell ain't working for gnome applications in breezy
[09:59] <pvanhoof> how can this be fixed?
[09:59] <TheoVN1605> Whats the driver availibilty for dell laptops??
[09:59] <Deafcon> hello
[09:59] <topyli> nate: i remember it did have the blue screen of death just like the movie does :)
[09:59] <liable> pvanhoof: buting a dictionary :)
[09:59] <Burgundavia> TheoVN1605, depends on the model
[09:59] <revelater> i just used synaptic to download wxpython, latest version, how do i access it?
[10:00] <tga> 1. dump weird release names 2. switch to year-based release names 3. ??? 4. profit
[10:00] <nate> people are using Breezy already? Yow
[10:00] <snader> yay
[10:00] <revelater> i just used synaptic to download wxpython, latest version, how do i access it?
[10:00] <Deafcon> To be a su, I required a password for this...
[10:00] <snader> breezah!
[10:00] <Scuddie> Hmmm...
[10:00] <|QuaD-> topyli: i saved as sxw and am usin 1.0 :)
[10:00] <Burgundavia> revelater, wxpython is a toolkit, not a program
[10:01] <thoreauputic_> tga: you forgot 1(a) Find a rich ex astronaut ;-)
[10:01] <nate> a binding, even
[10:01] <Seveas> revelater, read the manual... seriously, we cannot explain wxpython programming on IRC
[10:01] <revelater> Burgundavia, i just donwloaded it and a program needs to use it...
[10:01] <Scuddie> I see 1152x864, but I can't seem to get higher than 1024x768.  Weird
[10:01] <nate> I guess you'd need wxWorks as well, is that a dependency?
[10:01] <Burgundavia> revelater, the program will know what to do
[10:01] <Burgundavia> revelater, which program?
[10:01] <topyli> |QuaD-: OO.o 1.0? that's the one to use if you want a more or less working office suite :)
[10:02] <pvanhoof> liable, :)
[10:02] <revelater> Burgundavia, its a game...
[10:02] <Burgundavia> revelater, which game?
[10:02] <revelater> its not recognizing the changes...
[10:02] <revelater> Burgundavia, TP
[10:02] <Scuddie> So how do I force a resolution upon X if xorg.conf is ignored?
[10:02] <Burgundavia> revelater, then likely the game is borked. TP?
[10:02] <Burgundavia> Scuddie, hmm?
[10:02] <revelater> Burgundavia, toilet paper..
[10:03] <revelater> Burgundavia, j/k
[10:03] <topyli> revelater: you have wxpython toilet paper? :)
[10:03] <liable> Scuddie: have you just changed it recently?
[10:03] <liable> Scuddie: without reboot/ restartx
[10:03] <Burgundavia> revelater, do you have an issue that I can solve?
[10:03] <revelater> Burgundavia, thousand parsec
[10:03] <|QuaD-> topyli: it actually crashed recently, 2.0 hasn't crashed yet :)
[10:03] <Scuddie> I just changed it before my last reboot.
[10:03] <revelater> it seems that its a version confliction
[10:04] <topyli> |QuaD-: heh. well, my experience is the opposite. then again, i don't use OO.o much
[10:04] <Scuddie> Actually, come to find out, I didn't have to change it at all.  The resolution mode was already there.
[10:04] <revelater> Burgundavia, do i need to open the program using python as the program?
[10:04] <|QuaD-> topyli: me neither :)
[10:04] <Burgundavia> revelater, the program should just find the library
[10:04] <Burgundavia> revelater, if it doesn't then the program is likely borked
[10:05] <topyli> or the library
[10:05] <Scuddie> This is why linux scares me.
[10:05] <revelater> or the toilet paper
[10:05] <topyli> hehe
[10:05] <Scuddie> Apparently, I aint smart enough to get anything right.
[10:05] <|QuaD-> does anyone knwo the status of beagle? i heard it was almost ready
[10:05] <Choubaka> Scuddie: persistence!
[10:05] <quempion> hello i just installed ubuntu. how to know what ports i've open? and how to open/close ports? can anyone helps me ?
[10:06] <Burgundavia> Scuddie, you are smart enough, but what is the issue
[10:06] <Burgundavia> |QuaD-, is still very beta
[10:06] <Burgundavia> quempion, no open ports by default
[10:06] <|QuaD-> Burgundavia: eh? it is pretty stable, just not on ubuntu
[10:06] <|QuaD-> works great on my foresight box
[10:06] <Burgundavia> |QuaD-, have you used it Ubuntu?
[10:06] <topyli> Scuddie: things should already be "right" after you install ubuntu. you shouldn't be bothered with such stuff
[10:06] <Burgundavia> |QuaD-, where are you getting your packages?
[10:07] <|QuaD-> Burgundavia: did you read what i wrote?
[10:07] <Scuddie> I see 1152x864 in xorg.conf, but I don't see it Screen Resolution.
[10:07] <k-n> hi what is ubuntu horey default root password
[10:07] <Burgundavia> |QuaD-, sorry, responded at the same time, where are you getting your packages?
[10:07] <Scuddie> I am currently running in 1024x768
[10:07] <Burgundavia> k-n, none, Ubunt uses sudo. See www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[10:08] <|QuaD-> Burgundavia: i said it doesn't work well on ubuntu
[10:08] <Scuddie> And that resolution isn't good enough.
[10:08] <topyli> k-n: root is disabled and doesn't need a password
[10:08] <Burgundavia> |QuaD-, some of the packages out there are borked. http://manno.name/debian/ <-- this one is particular
[10:08] <|QuaD-> Burgundavia: it works well on my foresight box... it seems developers of debian based distros are having problems
[10:08] <Deafcon> no nmap in this LiveCD? that's lame
[10:09] <Burgundavia> |QuaD-, there were some issues with packaging mono is debian that have been resolved in sid/breezy
[10:09] <k-n> topyli: When i run Ubuntu update manager it asked for password? What should I do?
[10:09] <Scuddie> k-n if you need root access, you have to run 'sudo passwd root' at a terminal.
[10:09] <|QuaD-> Burgundavia: IT DOESN"T WORK WELL ON DEBIAN BASED DISTRIBUTIONS. I AGREE. however, other distributions it works fine on
[10:09] <Burgundavia> k-n, your password
[10:09] <|QuaD-> like foresight
[10:09] <|QuaD-> and i assume suse
[10:09] <topyli> k-n: it asks for "your password", no?
[10:09] <revelater> Burgundavia, problem is that i just downloaded wxpython, and i need to know what the name is to use in a terminal
[10:09] <Burgundavia> revelater, wxpython is called by the program not you. You should just start the program and it should go to where it needs to go
[10:10] <k-n> topyli: Ok got it.. thanks
[10:10] <Dreamer3_> mono
[10:10] <Scuddie> Why, oh why, will I be forced to ponder the matter of forcing screen res to 1152x864.
[10:11] <Dreamer3_> who's doing .net on linux? raise your hand
[10:11] <revelater> Burgundavia, python hasn't updated its version then...
[10:11] <St0n3-C0l> Dreamer3_: LOLZ!
[10:11] <|QuaD-> Dreamer3_: i am a big mono programme
[10:11] <|QuaD-> r
[10:11] <|QuaD-> or trying to be :) i hate gtk#
[10:11] <thoreauputic_> Scuddie: have you tried  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[10:11] <thoreauputic_> or xserver-xfree86 for warty...
[10:11] <Dreamer3_> should try rubyonrails :)
[10:12] <Scuddie> I didn't know of that.  Thanks for the pointer.
[10:12] <nate> Ruby's a fun little language
[10:12] <nate> I'm just learning it
[10:13] <IIIEars> For DVDs - apt-get install from the ubuntu guide came up empty. will this work? libdvdcss2_1.2.8-sarge0.0_i386.deb
[10:14] <liable> Scuddie: check you refresh rates too, make sure they are right, googling 'xorg resolution problem' comes up with quite a bit of info
[10:14] <IIIEars> Ruby is cool - Lamppix includes it on their live CD
[10:14] <Burgundavia> IIIEars, read www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:14] <quempion> can anyone help me ? i want to know how to open/close my ports, and  i dont know the portnumber of FTP, HTTPd, Telnet, SSH, etc.
[10:14] <xukun> anybody know why I get this "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[10:14] <xukun>   gimp gimp-data libgimp2.0 gimp-python
[10:14] <xukun> Install these packages without verification [y/N] ?
[10:14] <xukun> "
[10:14] <Burgundavia> IIIEars, don't install a sarge pakcage on debian
[10:14] <IIIEars> okay - Thanks
[10:14] <Deafcon> no /var/www ? that suck!
[10:14] <Burgundavia> quempion, by default, Ubuntu has no open ports
[10:15] <topyli> quempion: look at /etc/services
[10:15] <megamind> Salam everybody ... i would like to have some help on samba configurations while i can not login as root
[10:16] <megamind> do i have some help plz
[10:16] <eromb> Does anyone know how to compile packages for a different Architecture?
[10:16] <thoreauputic_> Deafcon: Ubuntu is not a server distro by default
[10:16] <quempion> Burgundavia: yeah, for example, i want to open the ssh.
[10:16] <megamind> i m newbie to ubunutoo ... so plz guide me abt that
[10:16] <nate> xukun: I'm getting that also
[10:16] <quempion> topyli: oki thanks
[10:16] <Burgundavia> quempion, insatll the package will do it
[10:16] <Deafcon> Alright, What's so good about this distro?
[10:16] <nate> with different packages
[10:17] <megamind> Salam everybody ... i would like to have some help on samba configurations while i can not login as root
[10:17] <Burgundavia> Deafcon, well set up desktop distro. One good program by default
[10:17] <eromb> megamind: you can get root access with sudo su
[10:17] <liable> quempion: you talking about firewall?
[10:17] <quempion> Burgundavia: it's already installed. i type ssh <IP> and it's installed.
[10:17] <thoreauputic_> Deafcon: depends who you are and what you like I guess
[10:17] <Burgundavia> megamind, www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[10:17] <Scuddie> Do I want to use kernel framebuffer interface??
[10:17] <quempion> liable: nono, just open ssh port for example, to join my pc remotely
[10:17] <Burgundavia> quempion, there is ssh server and client
[10:17] <megamind> like .. i want to confiugure the samba.conf file ...
[10:17] <Deafcon> Yeah well, i like fluxbox with some networking tools..
[10:18] <megamind> so how do i do that while i can not change the file attibutes ...
[10:18] <thoreauputic_> Deafcon: you can install those things
[10:18] <liable> quempion: well, if you have ssh installed, it should be listening on that port, lsof -i
[10:18] <Deafcon> yes i can.. But no thanks.. I already have it..
[10:18] <megamind> like .. i want to confiugure the samba.conf file ...
[10:18] <megamind> so how do i do that while i can not change the file attibutes ...
[10:18] <IIIEars> rtfm - that helped - (grin) i even learned something about esd and laws in sweden - Thanks again :)
[10:19] <thoreauputic_> Deafcon: well, whatever works for you :)
[10:19] <Deafcon> This "ubuntu" distro kinda lame..
[10:19] <Dreamer3_> Deafcon: read the hype, it's slick, nice debian desktop :) if that's not what you want don't go for it :)
[10:19] <eromb> megamind: on a console type sudo vim /etc/samba.conf
[10:19] <Deafcon> but it alright
[10:19] <GuruFF> lo i need help with X, need to specify what font will menus use and generally what fot what uses... help
[10:19] <quempion> Burgundavia: oki thanks. can u help me to know, how to open/close ports??
[10:19] <nate> yay, the default BitTorrent download GUI is very nice now
[10:19] <Burgundavia> quempion, ports are opened by programs that get installed
[10:20] <Deafcon> I'm running ubuntu LiveCD right now.. Look same pretty much.. GNOME is not for me..
[10:20] <Scuddie> thoreaputic_, Do I want to use kernel framebuffer device interface or not?  What's default for ubuntu?
[10:20] <Burgundavia> quempion, thus if you install ssh-server, it opens the ssh port (which is ucrrently escaping me)
[10:20] <Burgundavia> Deafcon, to be honest, if you are here to flame, please leave
[10:21] <thoreauputic_> Scuddie: I think you can just accept the default for that or say no
[10:21] <Scuddie> Does it not matter for OpenGL?
[10:21] <Scuddie> Or at all?
[10:21] <quempion> Burgundavia: aah oki, thanks. and.. if i want to close SSH port por example ?
[10:22] <nate> quempion: the ssh port is not open if you do not have the ssh server installed
[10:22] <Burgundavia> quempion, it is not open
[10:22] <Burgundavia> quempion, as nate said
[10:22] <thoreauputic_> Scuddie: that I don't know, sorry - you can go back and rerun the config if you have problems
[10:23] <Deafcon> alright, I'm boring here nothing is for me
[10:24] <quempion> Burgundavia: yeah i know, i install ssh-server. if i want to close ssh port, so, i must uninstall ssh-server ?
[10:24] <DrecoZA> Scuddie, if I remember correctly default is No or at least recommended as the safest option
[10:24] <thoreauputic_> Deafcon: slackware perhaps? :)
[10:24] <Burgundavia> quempion, you can set up iptables to block ssh
[10:24] <Scuddie> Actually, I think it's default to yes, as you are allowed to login as different users independantly.
[10:24] <quempion> Burgundavia: okay, thanks too much man
[10:24] <thoreauputic_> quempion: iptables, or firestarter (easier)
[10:24] <Scuddie> So yes it is.
[10:25] <liable> quempion: you can just stop the daemon if you want
[10:26] <Burgundavia> quempion, np
[10:26] <thoreauputic_> Scuddie: you don't need framebuffer for multiple X sessions, actually
[10:27] <quempion> liable: sorry for too much questions.. but, how to do that?
[10:27] <liable> quempion: /etc/init.d/sshd stop from the command line
[10:31] <Scuddie> OK, I've had my fun.
[10:31] <Scuddie> Now to see if I configured it right.
[10:31] <quempion> liable: thanks :))
[10:31] <gorthaug> wenas
[10:32] <Scuddie> So, I quit everything, hit ctrl+alt+backspace, then what do I command to get gnome back up?
[10:32] <liable> quempion: np
[10:32] <Burgundavia> Scuddie, it will restart gdm (gnome login manager) automatically
[10:32] <liable> Scuddie: will come back by itself if you have gdm
[10:32] <thoreauputic_> Scuddie: that should log you out and restart gdm
[10:32] <liable> Burgundavia: you win
[10:32] <Scuddie> That didn't happen the last time I did it.
[10:33] <Remenic> W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:33] <Scuddie> X just quit.
[10:33] <Remenic> what can I do about this?
[10:33] <Burgundavia> Scuddie, if the configuration file is hopped, it will not restart
[10:33] <Burgundavia> Remenic, check you time, and make certain it is correct first
[10:33] <Scuddie> ok, and if it doesn't, do I just type gdm then?
[10:34] <Remenic> Burgundavia: check. it's correct :) I even ntp updated it
[10:34] <Burgundavia> Remenic, hmm, no idea then
[10:34] <johnnybezak> hey guys anyone know a quick way to do a wordcount of a doc from the cli?
[10:34] <thoreauputic_> Scuddie: or type sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[10:35] <Scuddie> ok.  I'll see if that works.
[10:35] <thoreauputic_> Scuddie: or just startx, for that matter, but that should start gnome directly
[10:35] <Burgundavia> johnnybezak, 'cat doc | wc'
[10:35] <acidburn> hey people
[10:35] <thoreauputic_> johnnybezak: wc <filename>
[10:35] <Scuddie> Well, the last time I ran 'X' at console, I was just stuck there.  So the sudo option would seem better.
[10:36] <Shufla> huh... 1st ubuntu server done :D
[10:36] <Shufla> going to wash my mug :D
[10:36] <acidburn> what kind of server is it?
[10:36] <eaon> morning
[10:37] <thoreauputic_> Burgundavia: another redundant use of "cat" :)
[10:37] <acidburn> hmm, just to make sure..
[10:37] <acidburn> can anyone actually see me?
[10:37] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic_, I like cats
[10:37] <eaon> hmmm no #ubuntu-ppc :/
[10:37] <Dreamer3_> lol
[10:37] <Burgundavia> acidburn, yes, we see you
[10:37] <acidburn> ok, thanx
[10:37] <acidburn> lol
[10:37] <Burgundavia> eaon, norp, what is your question?
[10:38] <eaon> Burgundavia: how i can enable a right mouse click on a laptop that has only one mouse button ;)
[10:38] <Burgundavia> eaon, hmm
[10:38] <Burgundavia> eaon, there is a way to map a button to right-click
[10:38] <Burgundavia> eaon, but not owning a ppc, I canna tell ya
[10:39] <thoreauputic_> eaon: use F11 and F12
[10:39] <Shufla> huh. one thought. i've got imap. great. i've got folders in imap. sound great. but - only MUAs are sorting mail. how to do "clickable" by "server-side"? w/ or w/o procmail...
[10:39] <Scuddie> Well, that didn't work.
[10:39] <eaon> thanks - thoreauputic_, for the mapping?
[10:39] <Scuddie> Thanks for the help, though :)
[10:39] <thoreauputic_> eaon: it just works on my iBook
[10:40] <eaon> oh, ok
[10:40] <eaon> will try later :)
[10:40] <eaon> thanks
[10:40] <forsaker> 'morning people
[10:40] <thoreauputic_> eaon: play with that and the Fn key if needed ( I don't think it is)
[10:40] <eaon> will do :)
[10:40] <Shufla> acidburn: general prupose - web, email, gateway, some db, calendar.
[10:41] <acidburn> what u using for calender?
[10:41] <acidburn> hula?
[10:41] <Shufla> postfix+tls+maildir+imap[s] /pop3[s] (courier)+webmail(squirrel)
[10:41] <acidburn> or evolution..
[10:41] <Shufla> acidburn: squirrelmail calendar plugin ;P
[10:42] <acidburn> oh
[10:42] <acidburn> lol
[10:42] <liable> Scuddie: what happened
[10:42] <Shufla> acidburn: but i'm looking for something better. which could be used with Sunbird on server-side
[10:43] <Shufla> hm. maybe i write some hoary-multipurpose-server-HOWTO...
[10:43] <Shufla> if only my english isn't so bad :(
[10:43] <Scuddie> I'm still at 1024x768@70Hz
[10:44] <liable> Scuddie: is that refresh rate the best your monitor can do?
[10:45] <thoreauputic_> Scuddie: never used it and it looks scary, but have a look at xvidtune
[10:45] <megamind> when i open smb.conf file with sudo vim smb.conf ... it opens it for editing but i can not save changes that i have made ... how do i do that ?
[10:45] <Scuddie> it can do 75Hz at 1152x864
[10:45] <forsaker8k6> megamind: type :wq
[10:45] <Scuddie> xvidtune?  Why?
[10:45] <forsaker8k6> in the vim command line
[10:45] <Scuddie> I dont even have xvid installed.
[10:45] <megamind> like sudo vim smb.conf :wq ?
[10:46] <forsaker8k6> no i mean:
[10:46] <thoreauputic_> Scuddie: it appears to have options for tuning your display
[10:46] <forsaker8k6> open vim with sudo vim smb.conf
[10:46] <megamind> ok ... then
[10:46] <Scuddie> OK, I'll try that then.
[10:46] <forsaker8k6> press 'i' to enter edit mode and edit your file as you wish
[10:46] <thoreauputic_>  xvidtune - video mode tuner for XFree86
[10:46] <megamind> how do i save the work i have done ...
[10:46] <forsaker8k6> after you're finished editing
[10:46] <forsaker8k6> press escape
[10:46] <thoreauputic_> Scuddie: dunno if xorg has it
[10:46] <forsaker8k6> and them type :wq
[10:47] <megamind> oh ... let me try that plz ...
[10:47] <Scuddie> Oh...  X vid tune :D
[10:47] <forsaker8k6> that stands for "write and quit"
[10:47] <forsaker8k6> yep
[10:47] <megamind> oh ... ok ...
[10:48] <forsaker8k6> :)
[10:48] <cartman> is there a way to run 32 bit binaries on ubuntu amd64 ?
[10:49] <forsaker8k6> cartman: you have to install a package named linux32 or similiar
[10:49] <cartman> forsaker8k6: what about 3rd party binaries?
[10:49] <forsaker8k6> and then run in the command line linux32 <name of th program>
[10:49] <cartman> ah
[10:50] <cartman> ok
[10:51] <cartman> humpf doesn't work
[10:51] <forsaker8k6> oucch
[10:51] <forsaker8k6> what are you trying to run?
[10:51] <cartman> acroread
[10:51] <cartman> Acrobat7
[10:51] <Epsiliando> HI people!
[10:51] <Epsiliando> how are you??
[10:52] <acidburn> quick poll.. which IRC client is everyone using?
[10:52] <cartman> acidburn: konversation
[10:52] <forsaker8k6> acidburn: xchat
[10:52] <cartman> forsaker8k6: looks like I am gonna be free software only except java ;)
[10:52] <jubei> acidburn: konversation
[10:52] <DrecoZA> X-Chat
[10:52] <cartman> forsaker8k6: thanks for help
[10:52] <forsaker8k6> cartman: for java you can use blackdown jre
[10:52] <jubei> acidburn: use /client?
[10:52] <jacie> xchat
[10:52] <Scuddie> X-Chat; The best Linux has to offer...  apparently :\
[10:52] <cartman> forsaker8k6: yeah I know
[10:53] <cartman> Scuddie: check konversation ;)
[10:53] <jubei> or is it /version
[10:53] <jubei> yeah /version
[10:53] <cartman> laters
[10:54] <thoreauputic_> Scuddie: some hardcore people would say irssi-text is the best Linux has to offer ;-)
[10:54] <GuruFF> how can i set X fonts some application use ?
[10:54] <acidburn> seems XChat wins
[10:54] <acidburn> lol
[10:54] <jubei> How can I make k3b burn audio CDs from mp3s?
[10:54] <Scuddie> This is downright confusing.
[10:54] <Scuddie> What should I know about VSyncStart and VSyncEnd?
[10:55] <thoreauputic_> acidburn: well, your poll is skewed - xchat is the ubuntu default :)
[10:55] <acidburn> yea, true
[10:55] <acidburn> lol
[10:55] <forsaker8k6> lol
[10:56] <Scuddie> Funny how I can change the frequency, but not the resolution.  That is weird.
[10:56] <thoreauputic_> acidburn: on #slackware, admitting to using xchat would probably be heresy ;-)
[10:58] <thoreauputic_> Scuddie: some people have got higher resolution by changing from 24bit to 16bit, if you don't mind the lower number of colours: but don't ask me how it's done
[10:58] <forsaker8k6> wow: adobe released acrobat 7 4 linux... amazing
[10:58] <UsefulIdiot> ages ago, forsaker8k6 :P
[10:58] <forsaker8k6> i'm not so up to date ;)
[10:59] <holycow> forsaker8k6, it's not so amazing
[10:59] <holycow> first its fast sure
[10:59] <holycow> but it's still butt ugly
[10:59] <thoreauputic_> UsefulIdiot: heh - ages as in weeks ;)
[10:59] <UsefulIdiot> maybe photoshop's next :)
[10:59] <forsaker8k6> yes... xpdf still rocks
[10:59] <holycow> i don't know what toolkit they used, it looks like they used gtk .001 to code it in
[10:59] <holycow> secondly it doesn't even use native dialogs
[10:59] <holycow> thirdly it has a fucking ad banner
[10:59] <UsefulIdiot> well the linux world moves fast, thoreauputic_ :)
[11:00] <thoreauputic_> UsefulIdiot: yes, I noticed that :)
[11:00] <acidburn> there needs to be a high quality open source PDF reader
[11:00] <acidburn> that would be great
[11:00] <holycow> fourth it took them forever to release it, they don't give a crap about linux, company is now run by mba's that only care about their lear jets, they have no passion for technology
[11:00] <holycow> acidburn, there is
[11:00] <Sionide> don't pdf's open in openoffice ??
[11:00] <forsaker8k6> Sionide: nope
[11:00] <UsefulIdiot> I used to like gpdf, haven't used it in yonks now
[11:00] <acidburn> no, openoffice only exports
[11:00] <holycow> no
[11:00] <Sionide> seeing as you can save to pdf
[11:00] <UsefulIdiot> xpdf with a nicer interface
[11:00] <holycow> oo.o exports then
[11:00] <Sionide> hm that's weird
[11:01] <acidburn> yea
[11:01] <holycow> shit what is that great pdf viewer ... lemme get the name for ya
[11:01] <thoreauputic_> acidburn: evince is new
[11:01] <holycow> evince
[11:01] <holycow> its beautiful
[11:01] <holycow> it selects text, and has a search feature
[11:01] <forsaker8k6> evince... never heard about
[11:01] <holycow> super fast, starts instantly
[11:01] <Scuddie> Oh well, I suppose I dont need 1152 resolution.  I'll just set the DPI to 80
[11:01] <forsaker8k6> what select tests??? it will be mine: now
[11:01] <holycow> and itdoesn't support pdf forms which i love, pdf is not a goddamned databse
[11:02] <thoreauputic_> you can actually open pdf in koffice, too
[11:02] <acidburn> yea, i've never heard about evince either
[11:02] <acidburn> seraching now...
[11:02] <acidburn> ;)
[11:02] <forsaker8k6> installed ;)
[11:02] <acidburn> lol
[11:03] <acidburn> i love synaptic
[11:03] <acidburn> quick and easy
[11:03] <forsaker8k6> i love apt :D
[11:03] <IIIEars> "" synaptic is great
[11:03] <acidburn> well, same thing
[11:03] <UsefulIdiot> quick? pfft.. faster using apt-get
[11:03] <acidburn> yea
[11:03] <forsaker8k6> yep
[11:03] <acidburn> no GUI to handle
[11:04] <forsaker8k6> mm.. about evince: it doesn't seem to be so different to gpdf or similiars
[11:04] <forsaker8k6> and most of all: i continue not being able to selct text
[11:05] <acidburn> well, evince is certainly faster then [k, g, x] pdf
[11:05] <forsaker8k6> mmm.. maybe.. but... but... i DO need a client that lets me select text
[11:06] <acidburn> maybe i'll right one
[11:06] <acidburn> ;)
[11:06] <acidburn> j/k
[11:06] <UsefulIdiot> *write
[11:06] <acidburn> oops
[11:06] <UsefulIdiot> ;)
[11:06] <xukun> which package do I need to install to spell check thunderbird?
[11:06] <forsaker8k6> asd
[11:06] <Burgundavia> forsaker8k6, evince is built on a new framework for pdf, one that uses a common backend for it and kpdf
[11:06] <xukun> dutch is the language I need
[11:07] <johnnybe1ak> hey guys anyone know a quick way to do a wordcount of a doc from the cli?
[11:07] <thoreauputic_> acidburn: an example of right being wrong!
[11:07] <forsaker8k6> Burgundavia: mmm.. i see
[11:07] <acidburn> lol
[11:07] <UsefulIdiot> from a doc? why are you using doc?
[11:07] <Burgundavia> forsaker8k6, the backend is called libpoppler, it is a freedesktop.org project
[11:07] <thoreauputic_> johnnybe1ak: 2 people already gave you an answer
[11:08] <acidburn> a friend of mine named a computer of his down
[11:08] <acidburn> so he could say down is up today
[11:08] <forsaker8k6> yes i noticed apt installed it before evince
[11:08] <acidburn> lol
[11:08] <Burgundavia> johnnybe1ak, 'wc doc'
[11:08] <thoreauputic_> johnnybe1ak: man wc
[11:08] <megamind> how do start and stop the samba server services ?
[11:08] <UsefulIdiot> oh, a plain text file..
[11:08] <johnnybe1ak> thoreauputic_: sorry man for some reason irssi died on me i couldnt see any answers
[11:09] <thoreauputic_> ah I see
[11:09] <Burgundavia> megamind, /etc/init.d/smb {start|stop|restart}
[11:09] <thoreauputic_> ;)
[11:09] <johnnybe1ak> :)
[11:09] <megamind> thanks a lot ... let me try
[11:09] <acidburn> is there a GUI interface for configing samba printers?
[11:10] <johnnybe1ak> i'm just trying to do all of my document creation w/out using a word processor
[11:10] <johnnybe1ak> thanks for your help guys
[11:10] <Scuddie> Hrmmm...
[11:10] <acidburn> i guess i could edit the config file..
[11:10] <Scuddie> I wonder, what would be a good way to re-map OSS to ESD
[11:11] <forsaker8k6> well, it's time to go back to my studies: c u people!
[11:11] <Scuddie> Since apparently ubuntu doesn't like anything but ESD
[11:11] <thoreauputic_> Scuddie: gnome-sound-properties perhaps
[11:12] <acidburn> who's installed 5.04 final yet?
[11:12] <acidburn> besides me ;)
[11:12] <Remenic> me
[11:12] <thoreauputic_> acidburn: just about everyone except me :)
[11:13] <acidburn> lol
[11:13] <Scuddie> gnome-sound-properties doesn't really do anything :\
[11:13] <ikama> Does anybody have also probs to install mplayer
[11:13] <thoreauputic_> Scuddie: true, I just looked and I agree :(
[11:13] <Remenic> Scuddie: having problems with alsa?
[11:13] <ikama> The rep is not ok in nerim?
[11:14] <megamind> /etc/init.d/smb not working man ...  :(
[11:14] <megamind> ??
[11:14] <Scuddie> Alsa doesn't like me, OSS reports everything as being busy, and ESD gives me everything I will ever need.
[11:14] <ikama> What repo do you use for mlplayer
[11:14] <xukun> I dont have the correct language if I want to spell check i thurnderbird
[11:14] <thoreauputic_> ikama: I think mplayer is in multiverse for hoary now
[11:14] <acidburn> megamind: type ps -e, find the samba process, and kill it
[11:14] <acidburn> j/k
[11:14] <Kal_Zakath> hi
[11:14] <Scuddie> Also, I don't know how to use Alsa.
[11:15] <megamind> and then how do i start the process again ??
[11:15] <acidburn> lol, i was kidding
[11:15] <Kal_Zakath> does anybody know when there will be a security update for firefox ? 9 vulnerabilties have been discovered 2 days ago
[11:15] <acidburn> i've never had the problem
[11:15] <Burgundavia> Kal_Zakath, should be soon
[11:15] <megamind> in etc/init.d/ there is  a green file with name samba
[11:16] <Burgundavia> megamind, that would be it
[11:16] <thoreauputic_> megamind: try hitting tab after /etc/init.d/sam   and see if it completes to smbd or something (I don't use samba)
[11:16] <megamind> now if i m in the folder etc/init.d/
[11:16] <acidburn> you could uninstall/reinstall whenever you need/don't need it
[11:16] <megamind> do i need to write samba start ... ?
[11:16] <Kal_Zakath> Burgundavia: that's really urgent, firefox update is avariable since 2 days too at mozilla
[11:16] <acidburn> bu that might be to inconvienient
[11:16] <acidburn> if you need to turn it on/off a lot
[11:16] <Burgundavia> megamind, best to still run the full path
[11:16] <thoreauputic_> possibly - try it
[11:17] <\sh> ok...debootstraping ubuntu on gentoo
[11:17] <Burgundavia> Kal_Zakath, it will come when it will come
[11:17] <Kal_Zakath> huh
[11:17] <Kal_Zakath> that something essantial
[11:17] <\sh> after playing around with debian version, i had to replace it with the ubuntu version of debootstrap
[11:17] <Kal_Zakath> well, I hope it'll come in a few hour
[11:17] <Scuddie> So who wants to help me figure out how alsa works?
[11:18] <thoreauputic_> Kal_Zakath: you are confusing security patches of existing versions with new versions, perhaps
[11:18] <acidburn> Kal_Zakath: it has a few security fixes
[11:18] <acidburn> 9 i think
[11:18] <megamind> ok thanks i successfully started and stopped the samba ...
[11:18] <acidburn> yea, 9
[11:18] <megamind> so nice of u
[11:18] <acidburn> but they aren't to major
[11:19] <krrh> When I try to enter my networking information via iwconfig, the essid, key, etc doesn't "stick." I type "iwconfig," and it reports no essid, etc. Anyone know why this might be?
[11:19] <Kal_Zakath> thoreauputic_: well, There is 9 security flaws that have been discovered 2 days ago, with the 9, 3 are criticals
[11:19] <Kal_Zakath> so I think it maybe deserve a security update :/
[11:19] <thoreauputic_> Kal_Zakath: yeah, I know
[11:19] <zzyber> can someone tell me how to read eml files in linux. I have a couple of emails saved from windows and the format is .eml Evolution cant import them so im stuck, read something about kmail but hopfully there is a simplier solution
[11:20] <krrh> Are the iwconfig-entered variables supposed to be stored somewhere other than /etc/network/interfaces?
[11:20] <Scuddie> cant aint nobody wont?
[11:20] <Seveas> krrh, they aren't stored, only in memory
[11:21] <krrh> Ahh. And does this information override what might be entered in /etc/network/interfaces?
[11:21] <Seveas> krrh, i think so
[11:21] <Scuddie> errr...  I mean how do I route external calls to OSS to ESD?
[11:22] <Scuddie> And how is alsa involved?
[11:22] <acidburn> has anyone seen the new firefox ad/poster?
[11:22] <krrh> Thanks.
[11:22] <acidburn> always use protection..
[11:22] <holycow> ... use ubuntu
[11:22] <holycow> hey that could be a pretty darn good slogan
[11:22] <holycow> :)
[11:22] <acidburn> lol
[11:23] <acidburn> the firefox ad is good though. lemme get the link..
[11:23] <acidburn> *rummages*
[11:23] <thoreauputic_> Scuddie: alsa seems pretty arcane - if crimsun was here he could help you, but he's probably asleep
[11:23] <holycow> *shuffle* *shuffle*
[11:23] <Burgundavia> http://www.factorycity.net/sfx/always_use_protection.jpg
[11:23] <holycow> oh hey, i installed an amd64 system (winxp, ew i know) for someone over the weekend....
[11:23] <acidburn> yea
[11:23] <acidburn> lol
[11:23] <holycow> openoffice 1.3 just bloody rocks on that
[11:24] <Scuddie> All I want to do is play FS2Open, but I can't because OSS is always busy :(
[11:24] <holycow> believe it or not it actually starts reasonable, and works great :) hehe
[11:24] <zoppy> Hi
[11:24] <Scuddie> No.
[11:24] <zoppy> I have installed last ubuntu
[11:24] <IIIEars> winxp? - only took one weekend to install setup + apps and harden? - lol i'll bet you aren't finished yet.
[11:25] <megamind> i have configured the samba .... but when i open it in windows .. it asks for user name ...
[11:25] <holycow> IIIEars, hahaha, funny you say that
[11:25] <holycow> i got a call today
[11:25] <zoppy> but when I boot it stops about 2 minutes at Starting Ubuntu ....
[11:25] <holycow> and i expect more calls over the week
[11:25] <megamind> i give out the user  but it do not accepts ?
[11:25] <megamind> i have configured the samba .... but when i open it in windows .. it asks for user name ...
[11:25] <megamind> i give out the user  but it do not accepts ?
[11:25] <holycow> no actually, to install xp is a mofo load of work, funny IIIEars :)
[11:25] <zoppy> I have run in recovery mode and I see dma error
[11:25] <holycow> IIIEars, every xp user has their own 'personal mix' of spyware they want on there
[11:25] <zoppy> how to disable DMA when I boot with grub ?
[11:26] <holycow> this idiot wanted limewire installed and working *sigh* and some other crap he has no clue how to use but 'must have'
[11:26] <holycow> idiots
[11:26] <megamind> i have configured the samba .... but when i open it in windows .. it asks for user name ...
[11:26] <megamind> i give out the user  but it do not accepts ?
[11:26] <Scuddie> Oh well...
[11:27] <thoreauputic_> megamind: that's 3 times in 2 minutes - do you think we can't read?
[11:27] <megamind> sorry ...
[11:27] <prego> megamind, afaik, samba and linux require different password mechanisms. Try using something like smbpasswd to setup user password in the samba side
[11:27] <megamind> why do u get so angry ...
[11:27] <IIIEars> i have new respect for linux after opening a folder filled with junk i got p2p on windows - there were quite a few *surprise* additions that windows never sees. - wide grin
[11:27] <thoreauputic_> megamind: repeating won't help if no one has an answer
[11:27] <megamind> oh ... OK .. thanks ...
[11:28] <IIIEars> what is the point of alternate data streams in windows?
[11:28] <Scuddie> Uh oh...
[11:29] <Scuddie> I just lost my mouse.
[11:29] <prego> I've been installing ubuntu to a friend of mine, and after a rather sucessful installation I have a couple of concerns.  How can I manage to know which is his IP?
[11:29] <Scuddie> And I'm stuck in 640x480 mode.
[11:29] <IIIEars> a free dynamic dns service there are several
[11:29] <zoppy> any idea ?
[11:29] <holycow> IIIEars, rofl
[11:29] <thoreauputic_> prego: ez-ipupdate and visit dyndns.org
[11:30] <Scuddie> Perhaps launching FS2Open was a bad idea.
[11:30] <prego> thoreauputic_, thanks very much
[11:30] <IIIEars> install a dynamic dns client
[11:30] <megamind> yes ... free dynamic dns like www.deerfield.com ... and www.no-ip.com
[11:30] <thoreauputic_> prego: no worries :)
[11:30] <Scuddie> crud, I blew it.
[11:31] <prego> My second concern is that he is using a usb modem, that works with eagle-usb-* packages... however I've not managed to make it work at boot up... anyone with a similar modem has succeeded here around?
[11:31] <Scuddie> Let's try this again.
[11:31] <prego> I can make the thing work after some sudo commands, but I wish to leave it working without user interation. He is a real newbie afterall
[11:33] <IIIEars> a pci network interface card isnt very expensive most DSL modems support ethernet cat5 cables
[11:33] <thoreauputic_> prego: can you write a little script and link it to a pretty icon on his desktop?
[11:33] <holycow> IIIEars, infact less expensive than usb cables per foot
[11:33] <thoreauputic_> prego: then he can just click to go on line
[11:33] <prego> thoreauputic_, more or less is what I've done. However it requires sudo ...
[11:33] <holycow> plus cat5 has a 300m range, usb has 12 feet or something stupid like that
[11:34] <prego> thoreauputic_, is there a way I can prompt for sudo password via GTK dialog or something?
[11:34] <IIIEars> DSL ANTs are a pain they are forever reclaiming IP addresses forcing a reset.
[11:34] <thoreauputic_> prego: use gksudo as a password dialog
[11:34] <\sh> right...i have my base system
[11:34] <holycow> its retarded to use usb modems in other workds
[11:34] <prego> thoreauputic_, OK, I'll check those posibilities, thanks again ;-))))
[11:35] <prego> thoreauputic_, I would invite you an expresso coffe ;-)
[11:35] <IIIEars> Selinux in the next Ubuntu release?
[11:35] <thoreauputic_> prego: I love espresso coffee :)
[11:35] <Huey> does anyone know which package contains the 'gnome-config' command?
[11:36] <Burgundavia> Huey, doesn't exist on my machine
[11:36] <Huey> Burgundavia: it doesn't exist on my machine either. that's the problem.
[11:36] <Huey> Burgundavia: i want to know what i should install in order to get that command
[11:37] <Burgundavia> Huey, what are you trying to do?
[11:37] <Huey> because a tutorial on writing gnome-panel applets requires it
[11:37] <Burgundavia> ahh
[11:37] <Burgundavia> prob. a -dev package
[11:38] <IIIEars> Oops. (preparing to be flamed or ignored or both) - can i add a "search" function to a window title bar? (cowers in fear)
[11:38] <\sh> guys...linux-headers-2.6.10-5-k7 is it for athlon-xps?
[11:38] <acidburn> *ignores IIIEars*
[11:38] <acidburn> ;)
[11:38] <thoreauputic_> IIIEars: be afraid! be very afraid!
[11:38] <IIIEars> hehe
[11:39] <holycow> lol thoreauputic_
[11:39] <holycow> don't give em a bad rap, its just like 4 idiots in that channel :) hehe
[11:40] <IIIEars> (clutches his furry kitty tightly and begins to pray quietly)
[11:40] <holycow> all 4 were clearly dropped on their heads
[11:40] <IIIEars> lol
[11:40] <mischa> does anyone know how to load the firmware of my pris54g wireless pcmcia card....
[11:40] <holycow> mischa, yes
[11:40] <mischa> aha
[11:40] <holycow> www.prims54.org
[11:40] <holycow> download from dl section
[11:41] <holycow> put in the place they tell you to
[11:41] <holycow> rename file to right extension
[11:41] <UsefulIdiot> How good is the ppc support? any problems on powerbooks?
[11:41] <holycow> iwconfig eth0 up or something like that
[11:41] <holycow> done
[11:41] <UsefulIdiot> for ubuntu, I mean
[11:41] <holycow> UsefulIdiot, i don't see anyone complaining in here, i remember a few saying 'yay works out of the box' sorta thing
[11:41] <mischa> holycow:tanx
[11:41] <holycow> check ubuntu.com
[11:41] <holycow> mischa, no worries
[11:42] <holycow> UsefulIdiot, errr... check bugtraker on ubuntu site rather
[11:42] <Burgundavia> UsefulIdiot, from what I understand, things taht work generally in linux will work on Ubuntu
[11:42] <UsefulIdiot> Does wireless networking work?
[11:43] <prego> thoreauputic_, my friend is really impressed right now. He'll be much happier soon ;-)
[11:43] <UsefulIdiot> and does it duel boot properly, or overwrite os x ?
[11:43] <thoreauputic_> UsefulIdiot: no support for airport extreme or internal modem
[11:43] <holycow> apple is not exactly open source friendly
[11:43] <holycow> they love it when they can 'take'
[11:43] <Burgundavia> holycow, apple is sort of open source friendly
[11:43] <holycow> they don't have any particular fascination with 'ethics' and 'reciprocity'
[11:44] <Burgundavia> holycow, they do pay money for darwin development
[11:44] <holycow> lol Burgundavia one way only
[11:44] <acidburn> (_)8(_)|\|7(_) |2(_)|_~/_ 4|_|_ [)157|20~/_
[11:44] <thoreauputic_> UsefulIdiot: everything else works fine on my iBook G4 (oh, sleep is a problem too)
[11:44] <holycow> i have yet to see somethign as trivial as quicktime on linux
[11:44] <holycow> or bsd even
[11:44] <Burgundavia> holycow, there are different levels of support. They do support some stuff but not the desktop stuff
[11:44] <holycow> and if there was, you could bet it would be 12 months behind the 'mac' version
[11:45] <thoreauputic_> holycow: funnily enough, vlc works better than quicktime on OS-X
[11:45] <holycow> Burgundavia, really? heh, i just don't see much beyond khtml stuff, okay darwin stuff sure
[11:45] <acidburn> what do you think is the greatest thing blocking Linux from taking over the desktop?
[11:45] <acidburn> its certainly better then windows..
[11:45] <Burgundavia> holycow, apple does stuff behind the scenese