[00:27] <Laney> crimsun: Yes - re: that sound bug
[00:27] <Laney> Unless there's been an update in the last day
[00:51] <Niike|home> newbie question, what language are mostly used when programming in Ubuntu?
[00:51] <directhex> purely for ubuntu? python is the language of choice
[00:52] <Niike|home> well.. I guess you can use all different languages, but C# is the wrong aproach since its kind of Microsoft's development language right?
[00:53] <directhex> i wouldn't say that
[00:53] <RAOF> Heh.  Wrong person, there :)
[00:53] <directhex> given windows is mostly written in C or C++
[00:53]  * ajmitch wouldn't say that to someone who looks after mono packages :)
[00:53] <directhex> C# is an international standard
[00:53] <directhex> ajmitch, i'm even in Uploaders now
[00:54] <Niike|home> ah ok ...
[00:54] <ajmitch> directhex: well done
[00:54] <RAOF> The mono stack is a nice development environment, even if the gtk# bindings aren't thread-safe (damn them all the way to Hades!)
[00:54] <directhex> RAOF, neither is GTK+ generally!
[00:54]  * ajmitch appears to not be in pkg-mono or pkg-cli-*
[00:54] <RAOF> directhex: That's no excuse!  The Java bindings are thread-safe!
[00:55] <directhex> RAOF, by wrapping all the calls into the mainloop?
[00:55] <RAOF> I believe by setting gtk_threads_enter/leave to use a Java-managed recursive lock, and just aquiring that lock for all calls.
[00:55] <directhex> ajmitch, are you actively working on any pkg-mono or pkg-cli-* package? i know the svn ACLs get cleaned up periodically
[00:55] <ajmitch> directhex: no, not at the moment
[00:56] <ajmitch> though I ought to get back into it
[00:56] <ajmitch> I'm sure meebey would be overjoyed to see me back...
[00:56] <directhex> warning: irc lacks the <sarcasm> tags used by more advanced protocols
[00:56] <directhex> assuming that's sarcasm. I CAN'T TELL!
[00:57] <Niike|home> directhex: but since I have recently started with a C# programming class, I would like to get my programming skills working for both operating systems, developement for Ubuntu (or linux) would still be used mainly with python?
[00:57] <directhex> Niike|home, well, there are major desktop apps for linux written with c#
[00:57] <RAOF> Niike|home: You can use whatever language you like; there are plenty of C# apps to contribute to.
[00:57] <directhex> Niike|home, ubuntu ships 2 of them in the default install
[00:58] <Niike|home> ok! instead of .exe apps it uses? :S
[00:58] <directhex> Niike|home, the same
[00:58] <ajmitch> the .exe suffux is still there, just hidden by wrappers :)
[00:58] <directhex> Niike|home, mono is a CLI framework, just like Microsoft.NET. it uses the same file types and extensions
[00:59] <directhex> Niike|home, i.e. a well-written CIL app compiled on linux will run on windows or mac, and vice versa
[00:59] <Niike|home> aah ok! made it somewhat easier to understand the difference! :)
[01:00] <Niike|home> so a CLI written app would hence be more powerfull than one written purely for .NET? Or can linux, mac etc use .NET apps just as good as Windows?
[01:00] <directhex> a picture says a thousand words, right?
[01:01] <Niike|home> hrmm.. yea!?
[01:02]  * ajmitch thinks directhex is probably digging up a diagram to explain it
[01:02] <RAOF> Niike|home: .NET is an implementation of the CLI, but it also has a bunch of Windows-specific frameworks available.  If you don't use the windows-specific stuff, a .NET app is essentially indistinguishable from a Mono app.
[01:02] <directhex> http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/00-single/osctool3-gtk-01.png is the app i've been working on for a few years for my employers. it's 100% C#, written on amd64 ubuntu, using GTK# for the GUI, and Mono.Addins for the plugin architecture, plus MonoCurses for the text mode
[01:02] <ajmitch> as a side note, many of those windows-specific bits can be used with mono as well, like System.Windows.Forms
[01:02] <directhex> http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/00-single/osctool3-win32-01.png is the exact same app (i.e. the same .exe and .dll files copied and pasted) running on 32-bit vista, using Microsoft.NET. it uses the same technologies - GTK#, Mono.Addins
[01:02] <ajmitch> but others call into the win32 API still
[01:03] <directhex> http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/00-single/osctool3-macos-01.png is the exact same app on Mono 1.9.1 on Mac OS 10.5. same tech, same app
[01:03] <ajmitch> directhex: oxford-specific stuff, is it?
[01:04] <directhex> ajmitch, well, only because i didn't make most of the strings modifiable. if you run the same openldap schema as me, it should work fine
[01:04] <ajmitch> looks like something that could possibly be useful
[01:04] <Niike|home> aah nice explanation there directhex! :)
[01:05] <directhex> for completeness, http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/00-single/osctool3-ncurses-04.png is what you get if you don't have the ability to run X apps (i.e. DISPLAY is null or empty), thanks to MonoCurses
[01:05] <Niike|home> RAOF: aa thank you for your explanation too! :)
[01:05] <directhex> i think i'm the second user of MonoCurses for a real-world app, and i had to modify the source to add new widgets to it :)
[01:06] <ajmitch> doing rm -rf ~/Mail/ubuntu-bugs/ is taking a very, very long time
[01:07]  * ajmitch thinks there were about 500k messages in there :)
[01:09] <Niike|home> ok now I think ive learnt something very usefull today! :)
[01:12] <Niike|home> im planning to setup HTPC computer and use any kind of unix. I choose Ubuntu-desktop and when im on it, want a NAS to be installed on it. to hold all my 100th HD movies. Would ubuntu be a wise choice?
[01:12] <directhex> it would not be an unwise choice
[01:14] <directhex> The Debian External Health System (a.k.a. DEHS) has found a new upstream version
[01:14] <directhex>  of the package mono in the unstable distribution.
[01:14] <directhex> The current package version is 1.9.1+dfsg-4 and latest by upstream is 2.0.
[01:14] <directhex> thanks, DEHS. no shit!
[01:14] <Niike|home> yea just confirming that. And until I get a hang of the whole unix architecture in compare with windows i'm thinking about VMware to use a virtual ubuntu installation.. that would work fine yes?
[01:15] <directhex> on the understanding that performance would suck, and you couldn't do media things, yes
[01:17] <Niike|home> damn, ok! so a dual boot is my only choice when using media? or buy that HTPC and try it from there?
[01:17]  * ajmitch wonders if ironpython could be updated in sid
[01:17] <directhex> your call. but media playback, fr'example, is unaccelerated inside vmware
[01:18] <Niike|home> aa well.. ill look into it tomorrow. thanks for the help!
[01:18] <directhex> ajmitch, oh, we missed that. ipy is not part of pkg-cli-apps, but it should be. i think it's on the TODO on the wiki
[01:19] <ajmitch> directhex: yeah I know
[01:19]  * ajmitch is in Uploaders for that still
[01:20] <directhex> http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianMonoGroup/TODO
[01:20] <ajmitch> I know, I was looking at that :)
[01:20] <ajmitch> and wondering why things like pnet would still be on there
[01:20] <directhex> seems you're ahead of me
[01:20] <directhex> which is good, since it's gone 1am and i'm sleepy
[01:22] <directhex> ajmitch, i have no idea who cares about pnet. it's not me!
[01:22] <ajmitch> last upstream release was 18 months ago, it barely supports any C# 2.0 features, let alone a complete set of libraries for 1.0
[01:26] <directhex> ah, pnet's gone in debian. you'd have to ask meebey if he wants it resurrected
[01:26] <directhex> #debian-mono on oftc. anyway, BEDTIME
[01:28] <StevenK> pnet has also been killed here, too
[01:29]  * ajmitch doesn't see much point in maintaining it again unless it were to magically become useful
[02:56]  * slangasek blinks at bug #1687
[02:57] <slangasek> "A powerful, customizable Motif based text editor" -- that doesn't work with modern charsets and has to be shipped in multiverse?
[02:57] <ajmitch> slangasek: yes, crimsun has been trawling through a  number of old bugs, it seems
[06:17] <fabrice_sp> Hi. How do we deal with removal request? It needs a FFe? (for Bug #283348 and other broken kde3 packages)
[06:18] <ScottK> It needs approval by a MOTU, but not an FFe.
[06:19] <ScottK> fabrice_sp: For KDE3 stuff, ask in #kubuntu-devel
[06:27] <StevenK> ScottK: While you're around, should wlassistant die too?
[06:28] <ScottK> StevenK: Dunno.
[06:28] <StevenK> ScottK: It's Depends on kicker
[06:28] <StevenK> s/'s//
[06:28] <ajmitch> kicker is fairly obsolete now, right?
[06:29] <ScottK> I'd guess, but it's past 1:30 AM here and I'm doing $WORK financial reports so my brain is totally mush at the moment.
[06:29] <ajmitch> poor chap
[06:29] <ScottK> It has a KDE 4 version now.
[06:32] <StevenK> Hm
[06:32]  * StevenK digs for the wireless device
[06:34] <ScottK> StevenK: Feel free to beat up on nixternal for KDE answers.  He's an hour behind me, so he should be fresh and ready to help.
[06:34] <dholbach> good morning
[06:46] <didrocks> morning
[07:12] <nullie> Hi. I try to do sync request using requestsync tool, but it gets: The requested URL /changelogs/pool/main/p/python-rope/current/changelog.txt was not found on this server. error
[08:33] <AnAnt> Hello, I found that usplash-theme-ubuntume needs to be rebuilt so that it would work on Intreipd
[08:33] <AnAnt> what should I do ?
[08:35] <RAOF> AnAnt: Make a new no-change-rebuild upload?
[08:35] <AnAnt> RAOF: upload to revu ?
[08:35] <AnAnt> RAOF: or file a bug & a debdiff ?
[08:35] <RAOF> A bug, certainly.  A debdiff?  Maybe.
[08:36] <RAOF> A rebuild definitely fixes it?
[08:37] <AnAnt> how do I do this rebuild upload then ?
[08:37] <RAOF> Well, you ask a MOTU :)
[08:38] <RAOF> So, in what way is it broken, and how do I test that the rebuild fixes it?
[08:39] <AnAnt> RAOF: well, I found that usplash-theme-ubuntu in their last changelog, said that they changed nothing, just rebuilt against new usplash
[08:39] <AnAnt> RAOF: and that usplash-theme-ubuntume does not work, if I type: sudo usplash, I get an error message that there is no usable usplash (that's when the usplash-artwork.so alternative points to the ubuntume usplash theme)
[08:40] <RAOF> AnAnt: And just a rebulid makes that work?
[08:40] <AnAnt> RAOF: yeah, I just rebuilt on my machine now, and it worked
[08:41] <AnAnt> RAOF: it's because the THEME_VERSION got bumped in the new usplash
[08:41] <RAOF> OK.  So, file a bug with that information, and someone whose internet isn't capped at 64kbit/sec will test & upload a no-change rebuild.
[08:42] <AnAnt> new gnash is cool
[08:42] <RAOF> So cool it actually works?
[08:43] <AnAnt> youtube works on it !
[08:45] <AnAnt> erm
[08:45] <AnAnt> wait, that wasn't gnash
[08:45] <RAOF> Swfdec?
[08:47] <AnAnt> no, I it was flashplugin-nonfree, I forgot to update the alternatives !
[08:47] <AnAnt> now testing gnash
[08:47] <jml> AnAnt: I'm using gnash to watch youtube
[08:47] <dholbach> gnash doesn't do the "maximise the window" thing for me
[08:47] <jml> AnAnt: it works at least as well as proprietary flash did.
[08:47] <dholbach> other than that it's looking great
[08:48] <hagabaka> what about seeking?
[08:48] <dholbach> works
[08:48] <dholbach> on amd64
[08:48] <AnAnt> can you open an flv with standalone gnash ?
[08:53] <AnAnt> ?
[08:53] <AnAnt> well, it doesn't work AT ALL here with youtube !
[08:56] <nullie> Look. Which key is used to sing binary archives in my ppa?
[08:56] <nullie> sign
[08:58] <AnAnt> nullie: A minor
[08:58] <nullie> minor?
[08:58] <AnAnt> nullie: key & sing
[08:58] <nullie> :)
[09:52] <morgs> james_w: morning! Yes, I disabled the abiword import, and made all the code that uses it a dead codepath so it's a minimal patch. If you prefer I can make the dead code commented out, but I have tested it.
[10:33] <james_w> morgs: no, that's fine, thanks, just making sure.
[10:33] <morgs> cool
[10:34] <jsgotangco> morgs: congrats on 8.2.0!
[10:35] <morgs> jsgotangco: thanks, I'm happy to take credit even though I only did a little bit of it :)
[11:39] <james_w> morgs: uploaded, thank you
[11:40] <morgs> james_w: thanks!
[12:19] <james_w> nellery: hey, are you around?
[12:38] <sistpoty|work> hi folks
[12:39] <james_w> hey sistpoty|work
[12:39] <sistpoty|work> hi james_w
[12:44] <sebner> huhu sistpoty|work :)
[12:44] <sistpoty|work> hi sebner
[12:44] <slavik> someone messed up the xserver-common package dependency.
[12:45] <sebner> sistpoty|work: nothing with 3 months of vacation. I'll start working again for one month :\
[12:45] <sistpoty|work> oh
[12:45] <slavik> xephyr-xnest doesn't want to upgrade because xserver-common is uninstallable, xserver-xorg-core conflicts and replaces xserver-common
[12:48] <sebner> sistpoty|work: and later to the military. *sarcasm* WUHU */sarcasm* ^^
[12:48] <sistpoty|work> heh
[12:49] <sistpoty|work> james_w: there's a "later" target? cool
[12:49] <james_w> yeah
[12:49] <james_w> not sure how long it's been around
[13:44] <emgent> hello
[13:52] <sistpoty|work> bug #242572 would need a sponsor
[14:03] <morgs> james_w: I'm considering filing a removal request for sugar-write-activity, since it is uninstallable (and it was in hardy, too) - see bug 219358
[14:06] <james_w> morgs: python-abiword is a separate source that we don't have, it's not in the abiword package or anything?
[14:06] <james_w> (yeah, should have asked this for the last one)
[14:07] <morgs> james_w: abiword is not packaged modularly in Ubuntu - it is in a PPA (https://launchpad.net/~sugarteam/+archive) but not in intrepid itself.
[14:08] <morgs> So we would need abiword to be built with libabiword and pyabiword
[14:09] <james_w> morgs: yeah, if we don't have python-abiword and the python interface isn't in any other packages then kick it
[14:34] <james_w> morgs: removal requested, thanks
[14:36] <stefanlsd> siretart: are you around?
[14:38] <bddebian> Heya gang
[14:39] <sistpoty|work> hi bddebian
[14:40] <bddebian> Hi sistpoty|work
[14:57] <siretart> stefanlsd: yes
[14:57] <siretart> hey bddebian, hi sistpoty|work!
[14:57] <sistpoty|work> hi siretart
[14:58] <bddebian> Heya siretart
[14:59] <stefanlsd> siretart: hi. I wonder if you can help me. Im trying to do some work in the hardy branch of mplayer - but it says its not pushed yet - https://code.edge.launchpad.net/mplayer
[15:08] <siretart> stefanlsd: hm. I'd assume that the guys in #launchpad can help you better than me here
[15:08] <siretart> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/mplayer/ubuntu-hardy looks broken
[15:09] <stefanlsd> siretart: ok. thanks. i will try them. I just cant test the pushing.
[15:14] <stefanlsd> siretart: would it be possible to delete it and recreate it?
[15:23] <siretart> stefanlsd: launchpad offers renaming branches
[15:23] <siretart> I haven't found the 'delete' button yet
[15:24] <stefanlsd> siretart: aah. its def there. if you click on the branch, next to the name is a little  'no entry sign'
[15:25] <stefanlsd> siretart: i can see it on my own branches (maybe you must be registered owner though)
[15:27] <stefanlsd> maybe superm1 can help with that though... ^
[15:27] <superm1> stefanlsd, with what?
[15:28] <stefanlsd> superm1: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/mplayer/ubuntu-hardy
[15:28] <superm1> hum that looks pretty broke.
[15:28] <stefanlsd> superm1: i want to do a security fix into hardy branch - and wanted to use lp bzr of it.  Dont suppose you can delete branch repush hardy into it
[15:29] <superm1> stefanlsd, i'm not sure i still have the branch locally
[15:29] <superm1> i'd be glad to delete it though :)
[15:29] <stefanlsd> superm1: hehe.  maybe we just need to extract source from mplayer hardy and push it?
[15:30] <superm1> that would be rather unfortunate if that is what we had to do
[15:30] <superm1> lose the history and such
[15:31] <stefanlsd> superm1: mm. there is no history at the moment though? maybe take the gutsy code and step it back to hardy equiv?
[15:33] <superm1> stefanlsd, you know wgrant may have the branch to repush
[15:33] <superm1> i'm not sure what wuld have happened to the hardy branch though
[15:33] <superm1> stefanlsd, if wgrant doesn't however, then that's probably a solution
[15:33] <stefanlsd> superm1: cool. can you delete it for now, i'll ask wgrant if he has the source to push it again.
[15:33] <superm1> sure
[15:37] <stefanlsd> superm1: thanks for the help!
[15:37] <superm1> no problem stefanlsd .  sorry, wish I could be more helpful. :)
[16:08] <\sh> does someone work on flashplayer-nonfree 10 final?
[16:09] <directhex> #ubuntu-mozillateam
[16:20] <apachelogger> dholbach: do you know of some way to close all the tasks of bug 283543 at once?
[16:20] <dholbach> apachelogger: Riddell just asked the same on #ubuntu-devel
[16:20] <dholbach> and I said "hang on" :)
[16:20] <apachelogger> ^_^
[16:28] <rainct> wow, my screen doesn't flickr anymore with gksudo :P
[16:34] <ogra> rainct, we can fix that if you want :P
[16:35] <rainct> ogra: no, but you could fix GNOME so that I can start it :)
[16:36] <rainct> (*flicker)
[17:11] <rainct> Guys... REVU has a "Import from PPA" feature now (based upon a branch NCommander did some time ago. and don't search for it, it's not visible in the UI yet, but it's on revu.ubuntuwire.com/import.py).
[17:11] <crevette> hello there
[17:12] <rainct> The text there currently says that non-reviewers can only import packages that have been succesfully build on i386, but this isn't implemented yet. Do you think we want that? :P
[17:12] <rainct> hi crevette
[17:23] <crevette> hello rainct
[17:34]  * sistpoty|work decides to call it a day and go into the cine
[17:35] <sistpoty|work> +ma
[17:35] <sistpoty|work> cya
[19:40] <fabrice_sp_> Hi. I get the second ack for FFe on Bug #242572. So I only need a motu now! james_w? :-)
[19:40] <james_w> I'm just looking
[19:40] <james_w> you haven't merged the changelog correctly
[19:40] <james_w> I can do that if there are no other problems
[19:42] <fabrice_sp_> james_w: are you using the last debdiff? (wxsvg.debdiff)
[19:43] <fabrice_sp_> It seems ok in the debdiff
[19:44] <james_w> fabrice_sp_: yeah, but it doesn't merge the
[19:44] <james_w> them
[19:44] <james_w> you drop all the Ubuntu entries
[19:45] <fabrice_sp_> james_w: ahhh, I know what happened: I began again from debian package....
[19:46] <savvas0> um.. is there debian policy for adding/removing sections in .conf files? I want to add a section in access.conf and time.conf files that my program will handle
[19:47] <james_w> access.conf and time.conf? What owns those?
[19:47] <savvas0> linuxpam-modules
[19:47] <savvas0> /etc/security/access.conf and /etc/security/time.conf
[19:48] <savvas0> sorry,  libpam-modules :)
[19:49] <james_w> they are conffiles of that package
[19:49] <james_w> that means you are not allowed to modify them automatically from the package
[19:49] <james_w> depending on what you want to do there may be a way to do it though
[19:49] <james_w> fabrice_sp_: building while I go eat
[19:49] <fabrice_sp_> ok
[19:49] <fabrice_sp_> CU later
[19:50] <savvas0> well, as it is, I'm using sed and grep to add to those conf files
[19:50] <james_w> in your .postinst?
[19:50] <savvas0> yes, .postinst and .postrm :)
[19:51] <morgs> james_w: debdiff attached for bug 282883
[19:51] <james_w> morgs: I'll look a little later, thanks
[19:51] <morgs> james_w: OK, np, thanks
[19:52] <savvas0> the scripts post/pre inst/rm work pretty well actually, but I was wondering if there's an alternative or.. "cleaner" solution to this :)
[19:57] <savvas0> the lintian is a great tool by the way, helped me solve most of my packaging glitches hehe
[20:51] <MTeck> Is there any way to get the aluminum ubuntu stickers anymore?
[20:51] <MTeck> I remember buying them in the past and I lost them...
[20:52] <lfaraone> james_w: ping
[20:52] <slytherin> MTeck: see if you can find any here - https://shop.canonical.com/
[20:53] <james_w> hey lfaraone
[20:54] <MTeck> slytherin: nope :(
[20:56] <lfaraone> james_w: morgs fixed https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sugar-web-activity/+bug/282883 , debdiff attached.
[20:56] <james_w> lfaraone: yes, I'm subscribed and he already pointed it out, thanks
[20:57] <james_w> I don't need three notifications for every fix
[20:57] <slytherin> geser: Can you please take care of bug 267816 and eventually bug 268538
[20:57] <lfaraone> james_w: heh, sorry.
[20:58] <MTeck> slytherin: any other ideas where to get one. I know I bought the last set and buying more doesn't bother me
[20:58] <slytherin> MTeck: No idea. Sorry.
[20:58] <lfaraone> james_w: woult it be possible to get python-abiword in intrepid by running it through the new package process, or as a patch to the existign abiword package?  ( per bug 219358)
[20:59] <james_w> lfaraone: it is possible yes, I don't know what's involved
[20:59] <james_w> it's also very very late for that sort of thing
[21:00] <lfaraone> james_w: sorry about this...
[21:00] <james_w> lfaraone: is there any sort of changelog or news file for this hulahop update?
[21:00] <lfaraone> james_w: we already have it working in a PPA. (abiword)
[21:00]  * lfaraone looks
[21:02] <lfaraone> habtool: http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=projects/hulahop;a=blob;f=NEWS;h=0c66f17035d5fb47241032e93e59b413aa6d3937;hb=34d5cf579710dc9187e713d0696fd168005c512d
[21:02] <lfaraone> * james_w
[21:04] <fabrice_sp> james_w: thanks  for wxsvg sync request!
[21:05] <lfaraone> james_w: (I'm not sure if that's what you're looking for)
[21:06] <james_w> lfaraone: I want to know what's in this new upstream release that I've been asked to upload
[21:11] <fabrice_sp> How is it possible that a package fails but if I remove stripping in debian/rules, to have bdebug info, it works?!
[21:11] <fabrice_sp> (for Bug #283762)
[21:12] <fabrice_sp> I'm getting a coredump with the stripped version of openmovieeditor
[21:15] <lfaraone> james_w: well, it's in the NEWS file that I linked to you.
[21:15] <james_w> lfaraone: no, that's way out of date
[21:15] <james_w> lfaraone: I dug through git though
[21:17] <lfaraone> james_w: ah.  (uh, that link is from 9/11/08, and is the latest release... 0.4.6)
[21:17] <lfaraone> james_w: (nvm)
[21:18] <james_w> lfaraone: http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=projects/hulahop;a=history;f=NEWS;h=0c66f17035d5fb47241032e93e59b413aa6d3937;hb=HEAD
[21:18] <james_w> the file hasn't been edited for a year
[21:19] <lfaraone> james_w: good point. :)
[21:19] <james_w> lfaraone: where do I download tarballs from? I need the 0.4.6 tarball
[21:19]  * lfaraone greps...
[21:23] <lfaraone> james_w: http://dev.laptop.org/pub/sugar/sources/hulahop/hulahop-0.4.6.tar.bz2
[21:23] <james_w> thanks
[21:27] <geser> slytherin: can try to take care of those bug (I'm rather busy currently)
[21:28] <geser> slytherin: the bug for cglib2.1 looks it needs to be only thrown at an archive admin. Or do I miss something?
[21:29] <slytherin> geser: no, you are right
[21:29] <slytherin> geser: I just thought I should go through the usual confirmation by motu process.
[21:33] <geser> slytherin: you are pointing out an archive glitch which doesn't need IMHO an ACK from a motu (the source got already moved to universe but not the binaries yet)
[21:33] <slytherin> geser: Ok. So I will simply mark it confirmed and bug someone on #ubuntu-devel
[21:34] <geser> slytherin: I will add a new comment for libxstream-java once cglib2.1 gets resolved
[21:34] <slytherin> Ok.
[21:34] <geser> slytherin: yes
[21:35] <geser> slytherin: perhaps you have luck and my first ACK for libxstream-java gets still accepted
[21:35] <slytherin> hmm
[21:46] <savvas0> I have sort of a weird problem with a .desktop file, "dpkg -L timekpr" shows the file /usr/share/applications/timekpr.desktop is included, but it's not actually installed there: "ls: cannot access /usr/share/applications/timekpr.desktop: No such file or directory"
[21:47] <savvas0> I'm using "%:(new line)dh $@" in the rules
[21:49] <savvas0> ah wait lol, my bad, I had it remove some files and i included it by accident :)
[22:08] <DktrKranz> stefanlsd, re bug 275122, I think you should apply your changes directly to your security fixes since -security uploads don't include {-updates,-proposed} fixes
[22:09] <jdstrand> DktrKranz, stefanlsd: actually, -security updates pull from -updates
[22:09] <DktrKranz> jdstrand, -security updates are built on top of -updates?
[22:10] <jdstrand> so if there is a package in -security, and a newer one in -updates, the next -security update will use the -updates one
[22:10] <DktrKranz> ah, I wasn't aware of that, thanks for the update
[22:10] <jdstrand> DktrKranz: it is an imperfect system, but it solves more problems than it causes, and the justification is that if it went into -updates, it is proven
[22:12] <jdstrand> I should also mention that if there is a -proposed package when a -security update comes out, it's corresponding bug should get a comment saying it needs to be respun with the added -security update fixes
[22:13] <DktrKranz> it should be re-merged, clear
[22:15] <DktrKranz> jdstrand, would you accept such change included in a -security upload, or do you prefer to process it as a SRU?
[22:16] <jdstrand> DktrKranz: without knowing the specifics, -security is not a way around SRU (ie we don't put non-security fixes into a -security update)
[22:17] <jdstrand> DktrKranz: so if there is SRU material and -security material, either it all goes into -proposed for SRU, or there are two packages created
[22:17] <jdstrand> one for -security (with security fixes only), and one to -proposed for SRU (that has it all)
[22:18] <jdstrand> which will eventually supercede -security assuming all goes well
[23:45] <ma10> omg, upstream just decided to convert ALL their sources to CRLF line terminators. This is a VCS nightmare, considering we have heavy source modifications.. What do I do? Keep the CRLFs or produce a .orig tarball that is not "orig" at all, with everything converted back to unix?
[23:48] <crimsun> I'd keep them.


[20:01] <cpama> as per my computer settings this i what i have: Intel® Core™ i5-2400 CPU @ 3.10GHz × 4
[20:01] <cpama> OS Type is 64 bit
[20:02] <markoman> cpama: Why ubuntu-14.04.4-desktop-i386.iso and not the x64?
[20:03] <cpama> when I tried the 64 bit i got the error saying it detected i686
[20:03] <cpama> and that 64 bit can't run on that
[20:03] <Alagos> cpama: What is host OS? x64 or x32?
[20:03] <CyberGabber> cpama: Maybe see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXU-ZfcyA70 at timer 0:56
[20:04] <bekks> cpama: you are running a vbox vm, dont you?
[20:04] <cpama> Alagos, host os is 64 bit
[20:04] <bekks> host OS is irrelevant for your vm.
[20:04] <cpama> bekks, i'm using oracle vm
[20:05] <cpama> but someone just suggested i try docker
[20:05] <cpama> i don't know what that is
[20:05] <bekks> cpama: Oracle VM or Oracle Virtualbox?
[20:05] <rubiksmomo> How can I use a microphone when I plugin a headset to 4-pin 3.5mm plug? When I disconnect the headeset the internal mic works fine. But when I plug in my headset the internal mic gets disabled and the headset's mic seems to just input noise.
[20:05] <cpama> what do y'all think about that?
[20:05] <CyberGabber> cpama: http://www.linuxliveusb.com/help/faq/virtualization/154-unable-to-boot-please-use-a-kernel-appropriate-for-your-cpu
[20:05] <cpama> bekks, Virtualbox
[20:05] <bekks> cpama: Then create a 64bit vm.
[20:05] <ropo> kings of summer
[20:05] <Alagos> cpama: Docker is virtualization on kernel level
[20:06] <cpama> i tried that bekks.
[20:06] <cpama> but perhaps i should try what CyberGabber has suggested
[20:06] <cpama> change bios
[20:06] <bekks> cpama: The solution of CyberGabber is the same.
[20:06] <bekks> Enable VTx in your BIOS, create a 64bit VM.
[20:06] <cpama> bekks, ok
[20:06] <cpama> i will try that now
[20:06] <cpama> thanks guys
[20:07] <cpama> gals
[20:07] <cpama> whichever
[20:07] <cpama> :)
[20:07] <arca_vorago> ok, so I upgraded to 16.04, but the gui isn't starting on boot now
[20:08] <arca_vorago> I can't find xorg.conf in the usual place
[20:08] <Fuchs> It's optional these days
[20:08] <arca_vorago> I can sudo startx, but no unity/mate whatever
[20:08] <Fuchs> if there is none, default drivers and settings are used
[20:08] <bekks> arca_vorago: xorg.conf doesnt exist by default, for years.
[20:08] <Fuchs> error messages would help a bit here
[20:08] <arca_vorago> is startx the right command when it booting to a tty or something else?
[20:09] <Alagos> arca_vorago: The stable way - is to install IMG from start. Upgrade is magic thing that doesn't work all the time
[20:09] <arca_vorago> I live on the edge and pay the price sometimes, no biggie
[20:09] <bekks> Alagos: The stable way is using supported upgrade paths. Anything else is a clean reinstall.
[20:10] <arca_vorago> but is startx the correct command to start, for example I saw that in past ubuntu version it needed gdm started first
[20:10] <arca_vorago> but those instructions were for upstart and I admit a lack of ssytemd knowledge
[20:11] <rubiksmomo> How can I use a microphone when I plugin a headset to 4-pin 3.5mm plug? When I disconnect the headeset the internal mic works fine. But when I plug in my headset the internal mic gets disabled and the headset's mic seems to just input noise.
[20:11] <Alagos> bekks: I'm trying upgrade by manual several times. And spend a lot of time trying to fix my system. After that I decided reinstall my system instead of upgrade.
[20:12] <Alagos> arca_vorago: sudo service lightdm start?
[20:13] <Alagos> rubiksmomo: Is your input 4-pin?
[20:13] <arca_vorago> so is lightdm the manager in 15.10 and 16.04?
[20:13] <rubiksmomo> Alagos, yes, headset and PC should both have 4 pin connector
[20:14] <rubiksmomo> Alagos, and the headset works on my phone, both mic and headphones
[20:16] <Alagos> rubiksmomo: http://tinyurl.com/h7jcozs [ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/1351916 ]
[20:18] <arca_vorago> Alagos: ok so sudo service start lightdm worked, but why is it not working at boot? Suggested config to look at?
[20:18] <EriC^^> arca_vorago: which ubuntu version are you using?
[20:18] <arca_vorago> 16.04
[20:19] <EriC^^> type sudo systemctl enable lightdm
[20:19] <arca_vorago> is that persistent between boots?
[20:19] <EriC^^> yeah
[20:19] <arca_vorago> ok ty
[20:19] <EriC^^> np
[20:21] <rubiksmomo> Alagos, Tried the sudo command in the last comment of the bug you linked. I get permission denied. http://pastebin.com/sMFGfB0F
[20:21] <philipp_> Hi, is anyone familiar with ubuntu sdk? i am trying to set a remote directory for deployment, but cannot find the file named in the help documentation or any option to set it in the IDE. Can anyone help?
[20:25] <rubiksmomo> Why do I get permission denied when I use this sudo command? http://pastebin.com/sMFGfB0F
[20:26] <paddyez> %s/wily/xenial/g
[20:26] <paddyez> *yeah*
[20:26] <Fuchs> rubiksmomo: because sudo does not take over when you redirect stdout/stderr
[20:26] <Pici> rubiksmomo: sudo does not pass IO redirections operators (>). use tee to do what you want:  echo "options snd-hda-intel model=dell-headset-multi" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/snd-hda-intel.conf
[20:26] <Fuchs> rubiksmomo: use sudo -i   and then the command
[20:26] <rubiksmomo> thanks
[20:26] <Fuchs> or sudo sh -c "foobarbla > blabla"
[20:27] <rubiksmomo> I see
[20:27] <paddyez> thaks to all the package maintainers!
[20:27] <usrATsl4ckcub3> rubiksmomo: because /etc/udev/rules.d/ is quicker
[20:28] <usrATsl4ckcub3> rubiksmomo: after finding out how udev works ofcourse, just make a rule for it
[20:29] <Fuchs> errr .. no
[20:29] <Fuchs> why would you create a udev rule for some fixed piece of hardware which needs a specific parameter passed to the module?
[20:29] <Fuchs> That's insanity
[20:29] <rubiksmomo> usrATsl4ckcub3, Thanks. Sounds like a big project.
[20:30] <rubiksmomo> Anyway, my issue is that when I plugin my headset with a 4pin connector the internal mic gets disabled and the external inputs just noise
[20:30] <usrATsl4ckcub3> rubiksmomo: user@machine:/lib/udev/rules.d$ grep snd *
[20:31] <paddyez> thanx to all the package maintainers!
[20:31] <EriC^^> paddyez: what's your problem?
[20:31] <usrATsl4ckcub3> rubiksmomo: if you know udev it is just adding one line to /etc/udev/rules.d/99-salt.rules is myn
[20:31] <paddyez> EriC^^: no Pronblem. Just want to thank you all
[20:31] <Fuchs> rubiksmomo: don't use udev for that. It's not what it is meant for.
[20:32] <Fuchs> rubiksmomo: check if the above parameter works by unloading the module, then reloading it with said parameter. If it then behaves correctly, put the line in the file with either the command Pici or I gave you
[20:32] <usrATsl4ckcub3> rubiksmomo: ie: KERNEL=="kvm", GROUP="kvmusers", MODE="0660"
[20:32] <paddyez> may I say "Thank You" to all the ubuntu maintainers?
[20:33] <usrATsl4ckcub3> rubiksmomo: for users I add to the group kvmusers to access /dev/kvm
[20:33] <rud0lf> how can i restart wifi/network indicator (next to the clock)?
[20:33] <usrATsl4ckcub3> rubiksmomo: /dev/kvm provides virtualization "hardware" access.
[20:33] <rud0lf> it doesn't show networks properly after wake-up
[20:33] <EriC^^> paddyez: they're not actually here
[20:33] <usrATsl4ckcub3> rubiksmomo: makes virtualbox & qemu "just work"
[20:33] <Fuchs> rud0lf: see if nm-applet is running  (with ps -aux | grep nm-applet), if yes: kill that, then restart it
[20:33] <rud0lf> thanks
[20:34] <rubiksmomo> Fuchs, How would I unload the module and reload it with that parameter?
[20:35] <usrATsl4ckcub3> rubiksmomo: udev is easy == is a match check and = is to change something += is for symlinks or commands
[20:35] <rud0lf> Fuchs: worked like a charm :)
[20:35] <Fuchs> rubiksmomo: depends on if there are any dependencies, when not:  sudo modprobe -r snd-hda-intel;  sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel model=dell-headset-multi
[20:35] <usrATsl4ckcub3> rubiksmomo: ie: 70-persistent-cd.rules:SUBSYSTEM=="block", ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_SERIAL}=="HL-DT-ST_DVDRAM_GH22NS70_K2ZB64E4524", SYMLINK+="cdrom0", ENV{GENERATED}="1"
[20:35] <Fuchs> rud0lf: glad to hear
[20:36] <Alagos> arca_vorago: You can try: 'sudo dpkg-reconfigre lightdm' and then 'sudo reboot now'
[20:36] <Alagos> arca_vorago: You can try: 'sudo dpkg-reconfigre lightdm' and then 'sudo reboot now'
[20:36] <usrATsl4ckcub3> rubiksmomo: it even modified an environment variable for later use
[20:37] <rubiksmomo> Fuchs, modprobe: FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel is in use.
[20:37] <usrATsl4ckcub3> rubiksmomo: that statement above creates a symlink in /dev/ pointing from /dev/cdrom0 to usually /dev/sr0 or /dev/sr1 or /dev/sr2 or /dev/sr3 - wherever the serial matches
[20:38] <rubiksmomo> usrATsl4ckcub3, Nice, but how do I get the mic working when I have my headset connected?
[20:38] <Fuchs> rubiksmomo: then it has some dependencies. Bleh. Too much of a hassle, have the above file written, then reboot, see if it behaves better, because then it's loaded with that parameter
[20:38] <usrATsl4ckcub3> rubiksmomo: alsamixer ?
[20:38] <rubiksmomo> Fuchs, OK, I'll try that
[20:39] <usrATsl4ckcub3> rubiksmomo: is all else fails dont forget to try linuxquestions.org for answers ;)
[20:39] <usrATsl4ckcub3> *if
[20:39] <z999> can someone help me with my ubuntu? it is really a mess. the boot sector is not broken nd now the hard drive is not being recognize. i just want to do a fresh install but it wouldn't let me because it doesn't see the boot drive.
[20:43] <user257> hi, the ubuntu release schedule shows a release candidate for yesterday
[20:43] <user257> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseSchedule
[20:43] <user257> Where can I download the RC iso image?
[20:43] <Pici> user257: there is no RC, just the daily.
[20:43] <nacc> user257: click the link :) (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseCandidate)
[20:45] <z999> can someone help me with my ubuntu? it is really a mess. the boot sector is now broken and now the hard drive is not being recognize. i just want to do a fresh install but it wouldn't let me because it doesn't see the boot drive.
[20:45] <user257> The final image is often available a few days before relase date... Is this date planned, too?
[20:45] <nacc> user257: final release date is 4/21
[20:46] <nacc> user257: oh you mean when a "final image" is available?
[20:46] <Pici> user257: theres no way of knowing really.
[20:46] <Pici> If for some reason it turned out there were no more bugs to squash, today's could the the final image.
[20:47] <MonkeyDust> user257  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[20:49] <cedric> hi
[20:49] <arca_vorago> Still issues, lightdm starts, but when I try to use any WM/DM (plasma, mir, xmonad, i3, awesome, openbox) it just kicks me back to the login screen, guess it's time to do a fresh install over the top and try not to lose data
[20:49] <user257> nacc: yes
[20:50] <user257> Pici: so we see it tommorow?
[20:50] <bekks> arca_vorago: Fixing the issue is a no-go then?
[20:50] <k1l> arca_vorago: does the guest account work?
[20:51] <arca_vorago> Ill try, one sec
[20:51] <nacc> user257: it's a subjective decision by the release team, aiui
[20:52] <nacc> user257: hence no specific date is provided for which image is the "final image"
[20:52] <EriC^^> arca_vorago: ctrl+alt+f1 then login and type sudo chown $USER: ~/.Xauthority
[20:52] <EriC^^> it's cause you used sudo startx earlier
[20:55] <z999> ++
[20:56] <MonkeyDust> z999  not sure if i can help, but better give more details, ubuntu version, did it work before, what did you do/try so far etc
[20:56] <user257> thanks
[20:57] <MonkeyDust> z999  what has changed, that could cause the issue
[20:59] <arca_vorago> Ok, so guest works, how can I copy those settings to my main user?
[21:00] <z999> monkeydust, i had the latest of ubuntu which was 15
[21:00] <z999> then yesterday i didn't see the icons and i did a hard pwer off
[21:00] <z999> then my boot sector been broken
[21:00] <z999> couldnt do a fresh install because of boot sector
[21:01] <z999> so i try to formaat the disk and not it is worse. as it there isn't a hard drive
[21:04] <EriC^^> arca_vorago: ctrl+alt+f1 then login and type sudo chown $USER: ~/.Xauthority
[21:05] <EriC^^> then sudo service lightdm restart
[21:05] <EriC^^> arca_vorago: it's cause you used sudo startx earlier
[21:05] <slacko196822> Hi
[21:05] <Jordan_U> z999: That sounds like hardware failure. Please pastebi  the output of "dmesg" from a LiveCD/USB.
[21:05] <slacko196822> HI
[21:06] <arca_vorago> So I'm confused, lightdm works, but launching a WM/DM as the user fails, but guest works... what to do
[21:06] <EriC^^> arca_vorago: ^
[21:06] <slacko196822> I dunno what's going on, I'm on a customized puppy and I joined this server randomly
[21:06] <arca_vorago> ah
[21:07] <z999> jordan, what are the commands
[21:07] <z999> hi EriC^^
[21:08] <arca_vorago> EriC^^: you da man
[21:08] <EriC^^> hi z999
[21:08] <z999> EriC^^ i still have the same problem. went to bed at 6aam cause i was so tired of dealing with it
[21:08] <arca_vorago> It's times like these I'm glad I use emacs on a vps to connect to irc, so even with no gui I still get help from helpful people like you
[21:10] <EriC^^> z999: what problem
[21:10] <EriC^^> ah the missing hdd
[21:10] <EriC^^> ?
[21:10] <z999> yes
[21:10] <z999> broken boot drive
[21:10] <EriC^^> it's not the boot sector
[21:11] <EriC^^> try it on a different pc maybe
[21:11] <EriC^^> maybe it's just dead
[21:11] <z999> billy daz told me if i could replace the boot sector thn it willrecognize the hd
[21:11] <EriC^^> nah i doubt
[21:11] <EriC^^> the pc isn't seeing it
[21:12] <EriC^^> can you see it from the bios btw?
[21:14] <z999> no EriC^^
[21:14] <EriC^^> does it have any data you need?
[21:14] <z999> no
[21:15] <EriC^^> well that's not bad i guess
[21:16] <EriC^^> try it on another pc
[21:16] <Rubiksmomo> I installed nvidia driver. After reboot I got black screen. Uninstalling didn't help and I can't reinstall without wifi. WiFi requires GUI to connect. What could I do?
[21:19] <MonkeyDust> Rubiksmomo  a cable connects more easily, use it to install ubuntu, then configure wifi
[21:19] <EriC^^> Rubiksmomo: did you try nomodeset?
[21:21] <cyphase> out of curiosity, does anyone know of a tool that will let you swap the contents of two drives in-place?
[21:21] <Jordan_U> z999: Do you understand what I mean when I say this is probably hardware failure?
[21:22] <EriC^^> cyphase: not really, sounds sort of cool though
[21:23] <Jordan_U> z999: If you run "dmesg | pastebinit" then it will post the output of dmesg to http://pastebin.ubuntu.com for you then output a link to the paste for you to share to the channel.
[21:24] <EriC^^> cyphase: you could write it yourself using dd
[21:24] <sebsebseb> hi
[21:24] <EriC^^> dd a chunk to a file from 1, then dd from drive2 to that place in drive1, then that chunk in file to drive2
[21:24] <MonkeyDust> cyphase  that's a wild idea you have
[21:24] <EriC^^> google doesn't bring up anything about a tool that does it
[21:25] <EriC^^> i like it though cyphase++
[21:25] <cyphase> yea, it seems like something that should exist; i've looked before but didn't find anything
[21:26] <MonkeyDust> for some reason, q-bits and super-position of data come to mind
[21:26] <cyphase> with --in-memory for people who want speed over crash recovery :P
[21:27] <jgcampbell300_> Hello, can anyone tell me if it is possable to read data from a xpath (a table from a html file) and place this data in a cell in calc
[21:42] <ArabicSoap> Hey people. I just installed Ubuntu on a Mac. No wifi, how do I install it?
[21:42] <sebsebseb> ArabicSoap: Mac will be a bit differnet hmm is there a factoid from the bot to help maybe
[21:42] <sebsebseb> !mac
[21:43] <ArabicSoap> I successfully installed it, I just want to know what is the code to install the wifi drive in Ubuntu so i can have wifi access.
[21:44] <k1l> ArabicSoap: that depends on your exact hardware
[21:46] <rubiksmomo> How could I use a mic when I have a 4pin headset connected? When I connect it the internal mic gets disabled and external one inputs noise only. This didn't help: http://pastebin.com/UFdyeFaa
[21:46] <sebsebseb> !mic
[21:46] <ArabicSoap> k1l: how do I find it. Can you help me?
[21:46] <sebsebseb> rubiksmomo: Ubuntu sound settings or  pavucontorl I guess which won't be installed
[21:47] <sebsebseb> that's a graphical thing for configuring audio or trying to, so mics and so on
[21:48] <rubiksmomo> sebsebseb, it tells me that I have plugged in microphone but it does not respond to any noise I make. Also it tells me that the working internal mic gets disabled when I plug in my headset
[21:49] <sebsebseb> rubiksmomo: yeah you should like go through pretty much all sound setings and try differnet htings seriosuly,  may get it working like that
[21:49] <sebsebseb> sound devices like microphones can be a bit uh to configure or at first and headsets
[21:50] <sebsebseb> but once you know what the correct settings for them are well :)
[21:50] <rubiksmomo> been trying to figure this out for quite a while. I'm out of things to try
[21:51] <sebsebseb> rubiksmomo: not a LInux sound expert far from it, stick around someone else may be able to help better, altough it seems quite in here right now, buti t's the weekend I suppouse
[21:51] <k1l> ArabicSoap: what device is it?
[21:51] <rubiksmomo> right, thanks anyway
[21:52] <ArabicSoap> k1l: it's a MSc book pro
[21:52] <ArabicSoap> Mac book pro
[21:53] <k1l> ArabicSoap: which one. apple names them after numbers or years
[21:53] <k1l> ArabicSoap: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro
[21:55] <ArabicSoap> k1l: MacBook Pro 8,1
[21:56] <k1l> ArabicSoap: see my link
[21:56] <bungle_> hi, im trying to prevent dovecot from autostart but am getting confused over the many different tutorials.  'initctl list' shows dovecot and i can see dovecot.conf in /etc/init/.  do i have to delete the conf file to prevent the autostart?
[21:57] <louisdk> I'm on Ubuntu 16.04 which has mythtv 0.28 by default. I want to use a mythbuntu ppa (made for 16.04) with mythtv 0.27 but I don't know if I've configured it the right way: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15860376/
[21:57] <reisio> rubiksmomo: what make/model 'puter?
[21:57] <rubiksmomo> reisio, HP OMEN 15-5250no 15,6"
[21:58] <ArabicSoap> k1l: are you sort it, but I've already installed  ubuntu 15.01 and it works fine except for the Wi-Fi drive
[21:58] <ArabicSoap> * I saw it
[21:58] <reisio> omen, spectre? :p
[21:59] <reisio> HP names sure are foreboding lately
[21:59] <k1l> ArabicSoap: please read my link, click on the version of your macbook. then read again and see that there is exactly your wifi issue explained
[21:59] <ArabicSoap> Ok
[22:00] <reisio> rubiksmomo: yeah definitely install pavucontrol, run it, go to input, and try things other than the default option (including "Microphone (unplugged)", even)
[22:00] <rubiksmomo> reisio, if I click "Apply now" in pavucontrol I get "/sys/class/sound/hwC1D0/reconfig: Device or resource busy"
[22:01] <blacksoul> Hey, I'm currently try to install the base system via alternate install. If an error occur, how am I able to read the var/log/messages ?
[22:01] <bekks> blacksoul: So which error occurs?
[22:02] <reisio> rubiksmomo: don't think you need to click apply now, IIRC
[22:02] <reisio> blacksoul: might be able to CTRL+ALT+F2 to a new login/prompt
[22:02] <rubiksmomo> reisio, "Install boot override" then?
[22:02] <reisio> rubiksmomo: ...from pavucontrol?
[22:02] <blacksoul> bekks: it hanged at 83% saying something like (translated) "Get package 1 of 13".... I'm using command line install
[22:03] <blacksoul> which is just the less graphic way..
[22:03] <bekks> blacksoul: And which error did you get?
[22:03] <rubiksmomo> reisio, Yeah, it has "Apply now" and "Install boot override" buttons
[22:03] <blacksoul> bekks: well, that's why I want to read the "log", if there is one..
[22:04] <reisio> rubiksmomo: hrm, must be a version of pavucontrol I've not used
[22:04] <lmw> Debian or Ubuntu for desktop and server?
[22:04] <reisio> rubiksmomo: what all options has it got for mic?
[22:04] <reisio> lmw: between those two, I'd choose Debian for either
[22:04] <rubiksmomo> reisio, connectivity, location, device, jack, color, jack detection, channel group, channel (in group)
[22:04] <reisio> lmw: you can get whatever you need done from both, however
[22:05] <reisio> rubiksmomo: for input?
[22:05] <Adam__> Does anyone know what the Release Candidate will be available for download?
[22:05] <Adam__> Does anyone know when the Release Candidate will be available for download?
[22:05] <blacksoul> reisio: ty, I'll try as soon as I get to the point again... I started all over some being now at 70% "configuring xyz"
[22:06] <rubiksmomo> reisio, What input?
[22:08] <kerdel> Hello, anyone here?
[22:08] <thechanceg> 1728 people are here. Just ask
[22:10] <Bashing-om> !16.04 | louisdk
[22:11] <Extreme21355> I'm using linux on my laptop (and other systems for a while), now the "problem" is the energy usage. I've sorted out that the core speed of the processor is shooting constantly to the higher speeds with small operations like moving the mouse. There are no processor consuming processes found with htop and my laptop is using an optimized TLP configuration. When I limit the core speed the power usage is
[22:11] <Extreme21355> much lower.
[22:12] <Extreme21355> How can I make linux (ubuntu, whatever) don't constantly jump to the highest speeds (turbo, speedstep) for the smallest operations like moving a mouse?
[22:12] <MonkeyDust> Extreme21355  install indicator-cpufreq, an interactive app, and thermald, if needed
[22:12] <Jordan_U> Extreme21355: Generally that actually is the best power saving behavior.
[22:13] <Jordan_U> Extreme21355: If you jump to a higher speed you can complete the actoon sooner, allowing the CPU to go into a high sleep state again sooner.
[22:13] <Extreme21355> currently i'm using a sort of indicator that manages the cpu frequency in gnome to limit the speeds.
[22:14] <Extreme21355> Jordan_U: the thing is that it likes keeping the freqs high
[22:15] <Extreme21355> Jordan_U: when I don't touch my laptop, it will go to ~800 mhz, but when I move my mouse it will go to 2.4 GHz up to 3.4 GHz
[22:15] <Extreme21355> Jordan_U: while maybe 1.X GHz would be more than enough for such operation, u get what I mean?
[22:16] <Jordan_U> Extreme21355: Great. That is the best way to save battery: http://mjg59.livejournal.com/88608.html
[22:16] <k1l> Extreme21355: the idea behind this "jumping" is that the cpu is done very fast with the work and get back to "idle in standby" which is more battery saving / producing less heat
[22:16] <k1l> Extreme21355: instead of working and costing battery for longer time
[22:18] <Extreme21355> Jordan_U: (and k1l) I got the point, thanks! but it seems to 'idle' at higher speeds when i'm just moving my mouse for example which isn't a heavy task
[22:18] <k1l> Extreme21355: what ubuntu exactly? what hardware? what video driver?
[22:19] <Extreme21355> Jordan_U: And I notice much difference in my (it feels bad when I say it hehe) windows installation battery life time
[22:19] <k1l> Extreme21355: that is due to the driver support for windows.
[22:44] <k1l> could still be an issue. did you check the other ttys?
[22:44] <blacksoul> What do you mean?
[22:45] <k1l> ctrl+alt+F1 or F2
[22:46] <blacksoul> yes, tried ctrl alt F1-12
[22:47] <blacksoul> that's why I'm not sure, if it is still running or frozen... no led is on (hardware / cd..)
[22:48] <k1l> could you use the tty?
[22:49] <blacksoul> on bootscreen I pressed F4 to switch from normal to command line installation
[22:49] <blacksoul> so they should work in general...
[22:50] <k1l> blacksoul: i ask if the system hangs
[22:50] <k1l> right now we only know: "i think my system hangs"
[22:50] <blacksoul> the system doesn't react on any key (combination)
[22:50] <k1l> blacksoul: keep in mind we have no clue what you do or what you see. we only know what you tell us
[22:50] <blacksoul> f1-f12, ctrl + alt + f...
[22:51] <blacksoul> so I would say: it hangs... my problem: I don't know, if it should react at all.. never used this install method before, never had such old hardware before..
[22:52] <k1l> blacksoul: ok. if no tty is responding it hangs. which ubuntu version is it?
[22:52] <blacksoul> lubuntu alternate 15.10
[22:53] <blacksoul> no internet connection.. but I don't think it's necessary
[22:53] <k1l> nope
[22:53] <k1l> dont know then. hard to know without any errormessage
[22:54] <blacksoul> if I restart now... is there any way, that there is a log written to hard drive or something like that?
[22:55] <k1l> dont think so.
[22:55] <blacksoul> unlucky...
[22:55] <k1l> cant you use the gui installer from the lubuntu cd?
[22:56] <blacksoul> no, they also get frozen during the installation or even on choosing set up options like language or something like that
[22:56] <k1l> and you checked the md5sum?
[22:57] <blacksoul> I successfully installed DSL, but she doesn't speak English...
[22:57] <Extreme21355> Jordan_U: Hey, are you still there?
[22:57] <blacksoul> yes, I did
[22:58] <blacksoul> I will try 14.04 tomorrow and if it doesn't work, I'll stop trying
[22:58] <k1l> blacksoul: i would have suggested to use 14.04 too
[23:00] <Extreme21355> k1l: I've talked with you too about my frequency problem right?
[23:01] <k1l> Extreme21355: yes
[23:01] <Extreme21355> k1l: I have figured out that since some kernel updates ago intel_pstate was implemented
[23:01] <k1l> that is standard some time already on ubuntu
[23:02] <Extreme21355> k1l: yes, that's what is causing my freq staying in the higher ones
[23:02] <Extreme21355> k1l: but you are not having the same thing then? could you check your frequencies for me maybe?
[23:06] <k1l> Extreme21355: check what?
[23:06] <Extreme21355> k1l: are you using a desktop or a laptop?
[23:06] <k1l> laptop
[23:07] <Extreme21355> k1l: this https://plus.google.com/+TheodoreTso/posts/2vEekAsG2QT first post describes what I'm trying to tell
[23:12] <jiffe> anyone used opencl with ubuntu 14.04 + nvidia?  it doesn't seem to find any platforms
[23:13] <k1l> Extreme21355: on ubuntu we have 2 governours with p-state: performance and powersafe. no ondemand or others.
[23:13] <Extreme21355> k1l: correct, and mine is using powersafe right now
[23:14] <k1l> Extreme21355: that is how its meant to be.
[23:15] <Extreme21355> k1l: but it seems that the p-state is preventing cores to sleep, or go to a lower power stage
[23:16] <k1l> well, ask your distro support then :) it works on ubuntu like it should
[23:16] <Extreme21355> k1l: I've got the same in ubuntu, so that shouldn't matter, it's affected by the cpu achitecture
[23:19] <psusi> Extreme21355, the frequency does not matter when the processor is completely off ( C6 )
[23:19] <mmaheu> I'm using the following modules: erc-track-mode, erc-track-minor-mode, erc-stamp-mode, erc-ring-mode, erc-readonly-mode, erc-pcomplete-mode, erc-noncommands-mode, erc-networks-mode, erc-netsplit-mode, erc-move-to-prompt-mode, erc-message-english-flood-strict-mode, erc-menu-mode, erc-match-mode, erc-list-mode, erc-irccontrols-mode, erc-fill-mode, erc-button-mode, erc-autojoin-mode!
[23:20] <psusi> Extreme21355, another way of looking at it is that it is better to run at a faster speed when the processor is awake and doing something, so that it can finish, and go back to sleep
[23:21] <Extreme21355> psusi: yes, but the problem is that it constantly keeps running at a faster speed what drains the battery
[23:21] <Extreme21355> psusi: powertop reports that C6 is not being used either
[23:21] <psusi> Extreme21355, ahh... is something hogging the cpu?  or is it just sitting in C1?
[23:22] <psusi> Extreme21355, also some bioses have an option to disable C6
[23:22] <Extreme21355> psusi: everything keeps sitting at C7 state, and i have nearly no CPU activity reported by HTOP
[23:23] <k1l> Extreme21355: please ask #archlinux for arch issues
[23:23] <psusi> Extreme21355, ohh, C7 is even better for processors that support it
[23:23] <Extreme21355> k1l: this isn't an arch issue..
[23:23] <k1l> Extreme21355: it is
[23:23] <psusi> k1l, not if it also happens in Ubuntu it isn't
[23:23] <k1l> Extreme21355: you are not using ubuntu. then ask ##linux if no one can help you in #archlinux
[23:24] <Extreme21355> k1l: I've tested it with ubuntu too
[23:24] <k1l> psusi: not if people keep pretending they use ubuntu
[23:24] <mmaheu> Anyone in here on 16.04
[23:24] <k1l> mmaheu: the guys in #ubuntu+1 are
[23:25] <mmaheu> k1l: Than ks
[23:25] <psusi> Extreme21355, at any rate, if it is in C7 then it isn't using any power at all, no matter what the P-state is
[23:26] <Extreme21355> psusi: ok, i've got that report from the core overview, the package reports C2
[23:26] <Extreme21355> psusi: what does that mean?
[23:26] <psusi> Extreme21355, also are you looking at all of the cpus?  one might be doing things while the others are in C7
[23:27] <psusi> Extreme21355, the package can't go completely to sleep unless all of the cores are, so sounds like one is a bit busy
[23:27] <r00st3r3> Help! I installed Windows by accident...
[23:27] <thechanceg> lol
[23:28] <Extreme21355> psusi: all of the CPU's report a C7 state within the range 85~99,% so that should be ok i guess
[23:28] <psusi> Extreme21355, also check the interrupts/wakeup sources... a lot of those would keep the cpu up
[23:29] <Extreme21355> psusi: where can I find these? the Tunables tab?
[23:29] <psusi> Extreme21355, I forget
[23:30] <Extreme21355> psusi: one interesting thing I found is that my radio device at 'device stats' reports a Usage of 100%, while my cpu usage is in the 0 ~ 5 % range, is that normal?
[23:34] <WoodyPC> Is this a good video card to run on my ASUS H81M-C CSM motherboard with Ubuntu 64 bit 14.04 LTS system? XFX One Radeon HD 5450 Graphics Card - 1 GB RAM...
[23:34] <Extreme21355> WoodyPC: yes, that should run it
[23:34] <Ben64> WoodyPC: i'd recommend to use nvidia based cards
[23:34] <brose_> Hi all, anyone here who can help me set up an official mirror? I submitted my host mirror.math.princeton.edu a week or two ago and it still says pending review. 10 gigabits of bandwidth and I2/ESNET connectivity available :-D
[23:35] <Extreme21355> WoodyPC: but it's better to keep the open source radeon driver after installing it
[23:35] <WoodyPC> ok
[23:35] <WoodyPC> is nvidia a better source for the open source drivers?
[23:36] <Extreme21355> WoodyPC: what do you mean?
[23:36] <Ben64> WoodyPC: nvidia has better/easier to install and get working proprietary drivers
[23:36] <Extreme21355> WoodyPC: because you can't use a nvidia driver on a radeon card :P
[23:37] <matteo> Intel <3
[23:37] <WoodyPC> ok, now I understand, thanks
[23:37] <mmaheu> +1 nvidia
[23:37] <WoodyPC> I am going to look into this, then... thanks yall
[23:38] <Bashing-om> WoodyPC: Also bear in mind that ATI is going all out presently to support open souuce drivers, and will not be providing proprietary drivers in 16.04 .
[23:38] <Ben64> Bashing-om: no more fglrx? source?
[23:39] <Bashing-om> Ben64: Release notes  for 16.04 .
[23:41] <zz> same
[23:41] <WoodyPC> Bashing-om: What do you think is a reliable mid-level sorta gamer hdmi video card? What would you recommend? You have always been a great help to me and I trust your opinions...
[23:42] <avis> WoodyPC, phoronix has some video card reviews for linux if you need that compatability
[23:42] <avis> phoronix.com
[23:42] <Bashing-om> WoodyPC: Just a personal preference ,, and personal is all this is .. Nvidia .
[23:42] <Ben64> WoodyPC: gtx750ti at least, maybe more depending on what you want
[23:43] <avis> they always have to compare and contrast with their competitiors
[23:43] <DirtyCajun> So in rsync excluding /foo/* will exclude everything in the foo folder but Can I exclude *.pid and it will exclude any .pid in any folder ? Like does the wildcard work backwards in rsync without specifying a parent folder
[23:43] <Bashing-om> WoodyPC: +1 ^^ .
[23:43] <avis> sometimes you get a hdmi card and hook it up to a monitor and it doesn't expand as it should.
[23:43] <avis> it's happened to me
[23:45] <WoodyPC> The reason I am looking for a video card, is because I have video on-board, but it is a DVI slot, So I bought a DVI to HDMI adapter, but there is "no sound" on the monitor. But sound will work through external speakers.
[23:46] <nacc> DirtyCajun: see `man rsync`, but '*' matches an path component, so the above is excluding anything that ends in '.pid'
[23:46] <Ben64> WoodyPC: so you just want sound to go through the monitor?
[23:47] <WoodyPC> Ben64: yep
[23:47] <Blake> Is it possible to DL Ubuntu RC build?
[23:47] <Ben64> WoodyPC: usually you can plug in a 3.5mm audio cable to the monitor if it has speakers
[23:48] <nacc> !rc | Blake
[23:48] <WoodyPC> Ben64: yep tried that. no luck
[23:48] <Extreme21355> Ok, seems i figured something out -- it seems that I getting reported that the cores are at high speeds, but are actually idling - is it true that they are not consuming power at that moment?
[23:49] <Ben64> WoodyPC: does the monitor have the 3.5mm port?
[23:49] <WoodyPC> Bashing-om: What does the +1 mean?
[23:49] <WoodyPC> Ben64: It has the optical port and the red and white audio ports.
[23:50] <Bashing-om> WoodyPC: Me too, I agree ..
[23:50] <Ben64> WoodyPC: ok so use one of those
[23:50] <Blake> thanks!
[23:50] <Extreme21355> To addition - when I limited the frequency speeds when idling (which reported 3.4 GHz at first and 1.2 GHz after) the power consumption was the same
[23:50] <WoodyPC> Ben64: did that too. no sound.
[23:50] <Ben64> WoodyPC: sounds like a problem with the monitor then
[23:52] <Blake> Then last question. If I download this potential "RC" image build from Daily builds...will I be able to upgrade to the final version at the end? Also, is it recommended to do clean install with "final" image or there should be no problem getting "RC" to "final"?
[23:52] <WoodyPC> Ben64: I thought that too, but, why is it that I can plug the external DVD player and the Roku player in those ports and they work great. That is why I am so confused with this thing.
[23:52] <Ben64> WoodyPC: then you didn't connect it properly
[23:53] <WoodyPC> Ben64: Lol....
[23:56] <nacc> !final | Blake


[19:00] <clivejo> how do I delete the source from my PPA?
[19:01] <clivejo> I deleted the package a few hours ago, yet I'm still getting "File adapt-parser_0.3.0.orig.tar.gz already exists in mycroft, but uploaded version has different contents."
[23:40] <cjwatson> clivejo: That's permanent for a given archive, even after deletion.  You can never upload a file with the same name but different contents to a given archive.
[23:40] <cjwatson> Bump the version.  0.3.0+ds1 or something.


[10:33] <Blank__> how easy would it be to mess around with fstab and grub to convert a system from fakeraid to mdadm?
[10:40] <blahdeblah> Blank__: It's definitely doable
[10:40]  * blahdeblah loves Linux software RAID and abhors fakeraid
[10:41] <Blank__> blahdeblah, i learnt that one the hard way :( however i havent had the courage to try to change it
[10:41] <blahdeblah> it's non-trivial, that's for certain...
[10:41] <Blank__> i mistakenly thought fakeraid would be better, before i knew anything about it
[10:41] <Blank__> but grub seems to hate it
[10:44] <blahdeblah> Yeah
[10:44] <blahdeblah> I've never found a fakeraid yet that Linux software RAID couldn't outperform and outmanage
[10:45] <Blank__> thought so
[23:31] <Zanthus> so, anyone used multi-touch in 10.10 yet?  does it work alright?


[00:36] <ahoneybun> mhall119, I just called the Pizza place where the LUG have their meetings and they are good for feb 6 or 8 for a meeting for the Global Jam
[03:05] <ahoneybun> hey files_copy
[03:05] <files_copy> hello ahoneybun
[03:06] <ahoneybun> files_copy, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam
[03:30] <mhall119> ahoneybun: ping
[03:30] <ahoneybun> mhall119, pong
[03:31] <mhall119> ahoneybun: hey, for your donations request, it'll help us if you can give a specific cost
[03:31] <ahoneybun> mhall119, well I'm not sure how much the stickers and pens go for
[03:31] <mhall119> I'd recommend looking at shop.ubuntu.com, figuring out what and how many things you want, and using that in the request (I can update the request for you)
[03:31] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[03:32] <mhall119> ahoneybun: you might request one of these too: http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=1168
[03:32] <ahoneybun> that would be one person no
[03:32] <ahoneybun> ?
[03:33] <mhall119> well you can split it up once you get it
[03:33] <ahoneybun> maybe do a drawing
[03:34] <ahoneybun> take money for the tickets and use that money from the tickets for the food?
[03:35] <mhall119> or request additional money for food
[03:35] <ahoneybun> oh really?
[03:35] <mhall119> yeah, we've had other locos get donation money for food and drinks at team events/jams
[03:38] <ahoneybun> sweet
[03:40] <ahoneybun> mhall119, I'm thinking of getting 10 of everything
[03:40] <mhall119> everything?
[03:40] <ahoneybun> pins, pens, stickers and that gift set
[03:41] <ahoneybun> maybe less
[03:41] <mhall119> pins, pens and stickers sure
[03:41] <ahoneybun> nvm
[03:41] <ahoneybun> yea
[03:41] <ahoneybun> I think it is a bit much to get that gift set though
[03:42] <mhall119> yeah, especially when you don't know how many attendees will be there
[03:42] <ahoneybun> like 85 for 10 of everything (including one gift set)
[03:42] <mhall119> that would be a good request
[03:42] <ahoneybun> that is 10 pens
[03:42] <ahoneybun> but I think they come in big boxes like we had at FossetCon
[03:43] <ahoneybun> 105 including food and drinks
[03:43] <mhall119> do me a favor, send me an email with the items you want, how many, and their listed cost. And also estimates for food and the total for everything, and I'll update your request
[03:43] <ahoneybun> ok mhall at ubuntu dot com?
[03:44] <mhall119> mhall119 at ubuntu.com
[03:45] <ahoneybun> ok someone from the local LUG I meet says he will donate 2 gift sets toward swag
[03:45] <mhall119> awesome
[03:47] <ahoneybun> it would be in 1 month, would it ship fast enough?
[03:47] <mhall119> it should, yeah
[03:47] <ahoneybun> ok
[03:48] <mhall119> ahoneybun: you should add this to http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/2967/ too
[03:48] <ahoneybun> yea I was looking at that
[03:49] <ahoneybun> I posted on the Google Plus for App Dev
[03:53] <mhall119> ahoneybun: do you think $25 is enough for food and drinks?
[03:54] <ahoneybun> I think it should, if not I think I could spot the difference
[03:54] <mhall119> ok
[03:55] <ahoneybun> I'm going to get like 1 or 2 medium cheese and/or pepp pizza and a 2 litter
[03:56] <ahoneybun> something that everyone can eat
[03:59] <ahoneybun> mhall119, says I can't add a event since I'm not a team member or on the loco council
[03:59] <ahoneybun> wait
[03:59] <mhall119> ahoneybun: did you join the florida team in LP?
[04:00] <ahoneybun> I thought so
[04:00] <ahoneybun> add team event right?
[04:00] <mhall119> yeah, are you logged in?
[04:01] <ahoneybun> yea
[04:01] <ahoneybun> ok seems I can
[04:01] <ahoneybun> mhall119, did you get the email?
[04:03] <mhall119> yup
[04:05] <jose> ahoneybun, mhall119: need any help with the ltp?
[04:05] <mhall119> jose: we're always on the lookout for new developers :)
[04:05] <jose> welp, I tried
[04:06] <jose> what if I charm it? ;)
[04:06] <mhall119> no, then we'd have to redeploy it
[04:06] <jose> lol
[04:06] <mhall119> it works, don't touch it
[04:06] <jose> I know you don't want that
[04:06] <jose> I know, I know
[04:06]  * jose submits charm to the store
[04:07] <mhall119> jose: the wsgi-app charm does a decent enough job at deploying random Django apps
[04:08] <ahoneybun> darn trying to add venue
[04:08] <jose> mhall119: do you have any bitesize bugs I can fix?
[04:08] <mhall119> bbl, laptop battery is almost dead, gotta go plug it in
[04:08] <jose> remember, I'm on vacation until April so lots of free time until then
[04:08] <jose> sure
[04:08] <mhall119> jose: ask daker about that
[04:08] <jose> will do!
[04:09] <mhall119> jose: if you have that much time, you should learn the Ubuntu SDK and app development
[04:09] <ahoneybun> got it
[04:09] <jose> ah, I tried but no thanks
[04:09] <jose> I'm not too much into appdev unless it's a simple and straightforward webapp
[04:09] <mhall119> jose: well *somebody* needs to make us an ingress client
[04:10] <ahoneybun> mhall119, can we use use ubuntu-us-fl for the channel?
[04:10] <jose> mhall119: I would, but it's against the ToS (yeah, I read them!)
[04:10] <jose> I wouldn't risk getting banned
[04:10] <jose> you saw how I was after not playing for 3 days
[04:18] <ahoneybun> mhall119, http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-us-florida/2998-south-florida-app-dev-school/
[04:19] <ahoneybun> I wish I could get my hands on a Nexus 7 2013 to have it as well for dev and for the event
[04:31] <ahoneybun> mhall119, or jose got some bucks to send on google wallet to order 2 gift packs?
[04:31] <jose> ahoneybun: I cannot send money over wallet
[04:31] <ahoneybun> the other guy send 110 but I need 6 more
[04:32] <ahoneybun> he got off before I could say it
[04:32] <ahoneybun> I want to get the order in as soon as possible
[04:48] <ahoneybun> time to get off though
[04:48] <ahoneybun> thanks so much jose
[04:49] <jose> np, if there's anything else I can  help with please let me konw
[04:49] <jose> know*
[04:50] <ahoneybun> I'll go over some more things tomorrow, thanks
[04:50] <ahoneybun> lots of planning
[04:50]  * ahoneybun flys off
[13:02] <ahoneybun> mhall119, I just thought something... I don't have a projecter and a screen.
[17:49] <Nothing_Much> florida man is so funny
[19:42] <ahoneybun> mhall119, ping
[19:45] <mhall119> ahoneybun: pong
[19:45] <ahoneybun> mhall119, seems someone is going to send me a nexus 7 loaner for the event!
[19:46] <ahoneybun> Nicholas
[19:50] <mhall119> ahoneybun: nice, thanks balloons!
[19:50] <ahoneybun> yea thanks big time balloons
[19:51] <ahoneybun> mhall119, how would I get a projecter and screen?
[19:52] <mhall119> ahoneybun: no idea, some places rent them, but I don't know who near you might
[19:53] <mhall119> ahoneybun: if you can't get one, just make sure everybody has a copy of the material and go through it together
[19:53] <mhall119> that means you'll have to hop around from one person to another, rather than standing up front the whole time
[19:54] <ahoneybun> yea
[19:54] <ahoneybun> I'll look around, the guy from the LUG had one and the one from HackMiami
[19:57] <ahoneybun> mhall119, the guy sent the money to order the packs
[19:58] <balloons> can the venue provide a projector?
[19:58] <ahoneybun> balloons, the hackmiami and LUG guys brought their own
[19:58] <mhall119> ahoneybun: what guy?
[19:58] <ahoneybun> they will meet before the event so I can ask then
[19:59] <ahoneybun> mhall119, his name is Marcus, I met him at the LUG meeting
[19:59] <ahoneybun> he sent the money over google wallet
[19:59] <mhall119> ahoneybun: for the things you requested ubuntu community donation sponsorship for?
[20:00] <ahoneybun> mhall119, no he is local nothing to do with that
[20:00] <mhall119> ahoneybun: if you need/want to adjust your request, just send me an email, otherwise I'll leave it how it is
[20:00] <mhall119> ok
[20:00] <ahoneybun> well he is donating for 2 packs
[20:00] <ahoneybun> to give away
[20:00] <mhall119> ok
[20:00] <ahoneybun> I'll be back brb
[20:50] <ahoneybun> back
[21:31] <ahoneybun> mhall119, I'm thinking of ways to hand out the packs, I'm thinking a raffle?
[21:36] <mhall119> ahoneybun: that would work
[21:37] <mhall119> ahoneybun: I've seen others do trivia questions
[21:39] <ahoneybun> mhall119, yea that would be cool
[21:39] <ahoneybun> marcus says to do it how I want
[21:40] <ahoneybun> balloons, where do you live?
[21:52] <balloons> gainesville
[21:52] <balloons> ahoneybun, ^^
[21:56] <ahoneybun> cool my parents have property in Lake City
[22:18] <ahoneybun> balloons, ^^
[22:19] <balloons> ahoneybun, ahh nice, just north of here
[22:19] <balloons> cold up here this time of year :p
[22:19] <ahoneybun> yea
[22:20] <ahoneybun> if I had thought of this before they could have picked the tablet up(they were up there in dec)
[22:27] <balloons> ohh.. shucks. ahoneybun when did you need it by ?
[22:28] <ahoneybun> balloons, the event is on feb 6
[22:29] <balloons> so can i ship in a couple weeks, or you want it now?
[22:29] <ahoneybun> as long as it can get it here before the 6th
[22:30] <ahoneybun> sent it when/if you can :) balloons
[22:33] <balloons> ahoneybun, k, i'll ship it in a couple weeks, you'll get it in plenty o time
[22:34] <ahoneybun> balloons, awesomeness thanks so much