[06:48] <Saviq> Cimi, mterry, please have a look at bug #1322233 - that's the last failing one
[06:55] <tsdgeos> Cimi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1322233
[06:56] <tsdgeos> Cimi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1322233
[06:56] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: do you remember about https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1297308 ?
[06:59] <mterry> Saviq, tsdgeos, Cimi: those tests *may* be fixed by split greeter
[07:05] <mhr3> dednick, tsdgeos closeby?
[07:05] <mhr3> make him appear here pls
[07:06] <dednick> mhr3: he's fiddling with unity8-desktop
[07:06] <mhr3> dednick, aight, just tell him that it's pushed
[07:06] <dednick> mhr3: he says thanks
[07:07] <dednick> mardy: ping.
[07:08] <mardy> dednick: hi!
[07:10] <dednick> mardy: hi. so i was looking at the signon-ui, and yeah. it's going to be a bit of a pain in the arse.
[07:11] <dednick> I haven't really got a solution yet.
[07:14] <mardy> dednick: yes, it's quite complex. I actually have a couple of files which implement a simple IPC based on stdin/stdout, but there's much more than that to be done, in order to split the UI into another process
[07:15] <mardy> dednick: do you think it would be difficult to export the mir connection from QGuiApplication? I guess that that would only involve changes to the QPA plugin, or is there more than that?
[07:15] <dednick> mardy: qpa uses platform-api, not mir directly.
[07:16] <mardy> dednick: ah, right, you even told me that yesterday :-)
[07:17] <dednick> mardy: actually, i'm just thinking now. I may have a solution. give me a minute.
[07:19] <dednick> mardy: we could create a separate process for the trust helper rather than the signon-ui, and add by pid.
[07:20] <paulliu> tsdgeos, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7534738/
[07:20] <mardy> dednick: right, that would be much easier
[07:21] <dednick> 1) dbus invoke requestAccess.
[07:21] <dednick> 2) create trust helper process (argv=originating app pid , signon-ui pid)
[07:21] <dednick> 2.1) create mir_connection
[07:21] <dednick> 2.2) start trust_session(originating app pid)
[07:21] <dednick> 2.3) trust_session_add_pid(signon-ui pid)
[07:21] <dednick> mardy: ^
[07:22] <dednick> 3) signon-ui process: create view for request
[07:22] <mardy> dednick: and for adding more clients later on (at the moment we don't need that, but we'll have for 14.10), it could just print the address of the mir socket to stdout, and signon-ui could read that and pass it to the new clients
[07:23] <dednick> mardy: um. that might be a bit more work...
[07:23] <mardy> dednick: yes, but it's not important now, and maybe by then we'll even have a better solution
[07:24] <mardy> dednick: anyway, thanks for your suggestion, it sounds indeed like something we could use now
[07:24] <dednick> mardy: cool.
[07:25] <dednick> mardy: the only problem may be that the signon-ui might be rejected by mir connection authorization. But we might be able to just add it to a whitelist.
[07:25] <dednick> for now.
[07:31] <mardy> dednick: why would it be rejected? Can't one add just any client to the session?
[07:34] <tsdgeos> paulliu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7534797/
[07:34] <dednick> mardy: because it's not an "application" (not started with upstart/dekstop_file_hint)
[07:43] <mzanetti> Wellark: enhanced PIN lockscreen now coming to an image near you
[07:44] <mhr3> Saviq, is u8 now supposed to be x-buildable?
[07:45] <mhr3> Saviq, i suppose no is the answer? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7534866/
[07:46] <Saviq> mhr3, not until SDK releases http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/staging/revision/1075
[07:46] <tsdgeos> paulliu: can you add the bug number you created for indicator-session at https://code.launchpad.net/~paulliu/unity8/logout/+merge/216373 ?
[07:49] <paulliu> charles, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-session/+bug/1323992
[07:49] <charles> paulliu, thanks. I'll investigate today
[07:52] <tsdgeos> bregma: in which room are you?
[07:53] <bregma> tsdgeos, ballroom
[07:53] <tsdgeos> bregma: do you have 2 minutes for us?
[07:53] <bregma> tsdgeos, it depends....
[07:53] <tsdgeos> :D
[07:53] <tsdgeos> so you have
[07:53] <bregma> yes
[07:53] <tsdgeos> there in a sec
[07:54] <mhr3> Saviq, hm, was looking through qtdeclarative, i didn't find a way to the override image provider for all http stuff
[07:54] <Saviq> mhr3, https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity8/cache-network-data/+merge/221079 is a first step - at least for the network
[07:54] <Saviq> mhr3, but UITK does put all images through the @foo mechanism
[07:54] <Saviq> mhr3, so it must be possible there
[07:56] <mhr3> Saviq, @foo mechanism? what's that?
[07:56] <Saviq> mhr3, when you have a<EMAIL_ADDRESS>asset, it would get rescaled to the current GU automagically
[07:56] <Saviq> mhr3, @20 means the asset was prepared for a GU of 20px
[07:57] <mhr3> ah, interesting
[07:57]  * mhr3 looks at uitk too then
[08:12] <Mirv> I wonder if someone could land https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity-api/fix-launcher-tests-with-5.3/+merge/220623 and https://code.launchpad.net/~afrantzis/qtubuntu/fix-1321189/+merge/220613 so that no manual builds would be needed for those in the Qt 5.3 PPA:s?
[08:12] <Mirv> in other words, they now regress every time they're updated without those branches in the archives
[08:12] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: can you pick the first one? ^
[08:13] <Mirv> it would also help to get https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.tag=qt5.3 down two notches :)
[08:13] <mzanetti> meh... already approved. sorry
[08:13]  * mzanetti will see how to land it asap
[08:13] <mzanetti> thanks Mirv
[08:13] <Mirv> thanks mzanetti!
[08:14] <Mirv> for anyone craving for more polished Qt 5.3 packages, https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-005 is the place - but on device you currently lose keyboard because of FTBFS bug #1323962
[08:14] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: sure
[08:14] <tsdgeos> done!
[08:14] <tsdgeos> that was fast!
[08:14] <mzanetti> :D
[08:15] <Mirv> functionally it should be ~identical to qt5-beta2 because it's the same code, but the abi:s are bumped, symbols are there so you actually catch these kind of dependency problems like what's needing a rebuild
[08:15] <Mirv> albert is teh fastest
[08:15] <mzanetti> he is
[08:15] <mzanetti> Mirv: I'm not the right one to review alf's branch
[08:15] <mzanetti> but will take care about the unity-api stuff
[08:16] <Mirv> mzanetti: ok
[08:16] <Mirv> rsalveti: would alf's branch https://code.launchpad.net/~afrantzis/qtubuntu/fix-1321189/+merge/220613 fall on your turf or is there anyone else to review/land it?
[08:20] <mhr3> tsdgeos, can you pull again? changed when endResetModel is emitted, looked wrong
[08:20] <tsdgeos> mhr3: sure
[08:20] <rsalveti> Mirv: I can take a look
[08:20] <Mirv> rsalveti: thank you
[08:23] <tsdgeos> mhr3: still looks good
[08:23] <mhr3> tsdgeos, coolio, separating into unity-api then
[08:23] <mhr3> tsdgeos, will ping you with mps once done
[08:28] <Cimi> Saviq, it's likely that tests fail for SDK change
[08:29] <Cimi> Saviq, there is no altered code in unity8 on those tests failing, but there was a big rework on textfield etc
[08:29] <Saviq> Cimi, k
[08:30] <Cimi> Saviq, two of them could be races, will check after break
[08:36] <mhr3> sil2100, ping?
[08:40] <sil2100> mhr3: pong, something's happening?
[08:40] <mhr3> sil2100, have some issue with hud, can we meet for a coffee and talk about it?
[08:41] <sil2100> mhr3: depends on what problems you have, since I don't know if I'm the right person to help ;)
[08:41] <Mirv> sil2100: in case needed: http://people.canonical.com/~tjyrinki/shorts/
[08:41] <mhr3> sil2100, you want a coffee anyway, dont you? :)
[08:42] <sil2100> Mirv: thanks! I guess I have access to s-jenkins today it seems, but this is more convinient
[08:43] <sil2100> robru: ^
[08:43] <sil2100> mhr3: ok, let's meet around coffee in 10 minutes :)
[08:43] <mhr3> sil2100, k
[08:51] <mhr3> sil2100, heading there
[08:53] <robru> sil2100, hey, 100% (all 7) tests pass for shorts app, you are go for launch
[08:54] <apw> can anyone point me at the python3 library to talk to the messaging indicator
[08:58] <larsu> apw: it's in the indicator-messages source package (libmessaging-menu)
[08:59] <larsu> libmessaging-menu-dev installs docs for devhelp
[08:59] <larsu> sadly, someone took down the python docs from the website, so those are only in C
[09:01] <apw> larsu, hey thanks, will look at that
[09:07] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: we have something that "works" for departments now (i.e. mhr3's plugin + my qml code + mhr3's test scope work)
[09:07] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: is there any "non test" scope that we could use?
[09:13] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, yes and no.. i've a branch for click scope, but it needs you to run fake click server (i've a python script for that as well).
[09:13] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, I can try to test all that if you point me to your branches
[09:15] <davidcalle> pstolowski, on that topic, is there a decision on how/when remote scopes should declare their departments?
[09:15] <davidcalle> (also, hi :) )
[09:16] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: so it's https://code.launchpad.net/~mhr3/unity-scopes-shell/department-support and https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/departments/+merge/221072
[09:16] <pstolowski> davidcalle, hi! not yet, we'll hopefully get to that very soon (I had a very brief discussion with facundobatista about that)
[09:16] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: and you need a newer libunity-scopes-api or something, but i guess you have that
[09:16] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: you need to be on utopic, are you?
[09:16] <davidcalle> pstolowski, ok thanks
[09:17] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, yup, no worries
[09:17] <dandrader> mzanetti, qmake PREFIX=/usr CONFIG+=debug
[09:24] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: ping me if you come across something that you think doesn't work
[09:25] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, sure
[09:25] <pstolowski> compiling..
[09:26] <sil2100> mhr3: so, strange thing, as from what you mentioned I was expecting a new version of hud in trusty
[09:26] <mhr3> Saviq, can we talk about the caching once you have a moment?
[09:26] <Saviq> mhr3, sure, should be free before lunch
[09:26] <sil2100> mhr3: but actually I don't see any version like that, there's just that the version that was in UNAPPROVED got removed somehow
[09:27] <sil2100> mhr3: did I misunderstand something?
[09:27] <mhr3> sil2100, hmmm, maybe i did when talking to pete about it, let me look at it
[09:27] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: what's wrong in the tests?
[09:27] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: which tests?
[09:28] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: qmluitests
[09:28] <sil2100> mhr3: anyway, we'll have to just republish it somehow, since I don't see any direct upload at least
[09:28]  * mzanetti checks
[09:28] <sil2100> So it might have been removed and need a new push
[09:28] <dandrader> greyback, solved the blocked qt app issue!
[09:28] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: well you said it was very broken :D
[09:28] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: but i see now that lightdm didn't start :S
[09:28] <mzanetti> oh that one. not sure if it was a temporary issue or not
[09:28] <tsdgeos> seems it is
[09:29] <greyback> dandrader: \o/
[09:29] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/unity-phablet-qmluitests-utopic/ looks "better"
[09:29] <greyback> dandrader: what was it?
[09:32] <dandrader> greyback, well... maybe not. it fixed my simple qml app but system-settings is still getting kinda stuck.. but the situation improved a bit anyway
[09:32] <mhr3> sil2100, hm, so there's some changes in the changelog in the branch
[09:32] <mhr3> sil2100, i think it'll be best to rebuild it
[09:33] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, will the departments be also displayed in scope-tool?
[09:33] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: yes
[09:33] <sil2100> mhr3: in trusty trunk you mean?
[09:33] <pstolowski> cool
[09:33] <mhr3> sil2100, no, in the mp
[09:33] <mhr3> sil2100, pete pushed them an hour ago trying to sync everything
[09:34] <mhr3> sil2100, so, rebuild + publish again?
[09:37] <mhr3> sil2100, seems the misunderstanding was that the missing changelog entries were coming from proposed, not release
[09:37] <mhr3> although i thought we already had them there...
[09:37] <sil2100> mhr3: yeah, the stuff in -proposed was the previously verification-failed SRU...
[09:37] <mhr3> merge weirdness
[09:37] <sil2100> mhr3: you can rebuild and we can republish then
[09:38] <mhr3> sil2100, k, pushing teh button
[09:42] <tsdgeos> Cimi: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/unity-phablet-qmluitests-utopic/95/testReport/junit/%28root%29/qmltestrunner/Shell__initTestCase/ in your lightdm branch
[09:42] <tsdgeos> err
[09:42] <tsdgeos> infographics branch i mean
[09:42] <tsdgeos> Cimi: looks like that is a regression
[09:43] <Cimi> tsdgeos, is this running with the required branch?
[09:43] <tsdgeos> Cimi: no
[09:44] <Cimi> let's run it locally then
[09:45] <tsdgeos> pete-woods: you have a few <<<<<<< in https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/libusermetrics/file-based-infographics/+merge/214020
[09:46] <tsdgeos> pete-woods: can you fix them?
[09:46] <Saviq> Cimi, it doesn't look like has anything to do with infographics
[09:46] <Cimi> Saviq, Unable to assign [undefined] to QUrl
[09:47] <pete-woods> tsdgeos: sure
[09:48] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, yay, mostly works :), there is an issue with leaf that i'm currently looking into, could be something wrong on my side
[09:48] <Cimi> Saviq, I haven't touched that code
[09:48] <pete-woods> tsdgeos: done
[09:49] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: nice, tell me if you need something
[09:49] <tsdgeos> pete-woods: cool tx
[12:18] <mzanetti> dandrader: o/
[12:22] <mterry> Saviq, mzanetti: so...  word is that the kernel fix that split silo is waiting on is winding its way through Ubuntu process.  Which will be done tomorrow apparently.   Do we want to consider landing the silo in the meantime, with the expectation that both will land about the same time?  There's the risk that the cgmanager update will still be delayed by tomorrow for random reasons...
[12:23] <Saviq> mterry, we could put it through the testing and mark it tested: true
[12:23] <Saviq> mterry, with a note to not publish it before the kernel thing lands
[12:23] <mzanetti> +1
[12:23] <Saviq> wdyt?
[12:23] <mterry> sure?
[12:24] <Saviq> mterry, I really don't want to break smoketesting :|
[12:24] <Saviq> mterry, although we did determine that it shouldn't?
[12:24] <Saviq> mterry, so the fallback is that it won't boot every 20 times or so?
[12:24] <mterry> Saviq, theory is it shouldn't
[12:24] <Saviq> fallout
[12:25] <Saviq> mterry, let's just do what I said, we won't land anything unity8 in between
[12:25] <mterry> Saviq, did not test by running unlock-and-reboot script 40 times.  But maybe I should today to test that
[12:25] <Saviq> mterry, it also needs to go through QA signoff, so it will take until tomorrow anyway
[12:26] <mterry> Saviq, ok, well let's start that train then
[12:26] <Saviq> mterry, yup
[12:26] <Saviq> mterry, should we rebuild the silo yet again or are we good with what's there?
[12:26] <mterry> Saviq, it's good
[12:26] <mterry> Saviq, I merged and rebuilt unity8 today
[12:31] <Saviq> mterry, I need to sort out the silos, qtubuntu, ubuntu-touch-session and unity-mir are all in other silos as well
[12:48] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: having problems seting up the thing as per your email, can you come over and help me?
[13:03] <tsdgeos> mhr3: have a sec?
[13:07] <mhr3> tsdgeos, sure
[13:07] <mhr3> tsdgeos, should i come over?
[13:08] <tsdgeos> sure
[13:42] <mhr3> tsdgeos, the changed signals we have in unity-api are pretty inconsistent
[13:42] <mhr3> tsdgeos, some of them do have param, others don't
[13:42] <mhr3> tsdgeos, shouldn't we consolidate it?
[13:42] <mhr3> tsdgeos, and what's the desired signature for those signals?
[13:54] <tsdgeos> mhr3: wops, coming over
[13:59] <mhr3> tsdgeos, lp:~unity-team/unity-api/departments
[14:02] <cwayne1> ooh departments
[14:04] <tsdgeos> bregma: with the help of Saviq we ended up with https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8-desktop-session/fix_logout/+merge/221238
[14:04] <tsdgeos> bregma: can you review?
[14:04] <tsdgeos> paulliu: ↑↑↑
[14:04] <bregma> OK, I'll add it to my queue
[14:05] <tsdgeos> :)
[14:46] <tsdgeos> mhr3: ping?
[14:51] <Cimi> Saviq, https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/workaround_lp1324159/+merge/221248
[14:53] <Saviq> Cimi, tx
[14:54] <paulliu> jhodapp, hi. Do you have the script to resize system.img?
[14:56] <jhodapp> paulliu, not anymore, it was a pastebin that I don't have anymore
[14:56] <jhodapp> paulliu, I can help you a bit later, got a meeting to head to now
[14:56] <mhr3> tsdgeos, pong?
[14:56] <paulliu> jhodapp, ok. thanks a lot.
[14:57] <jhodapp> np
[14:57] <tsdgeos> mhr3: i''ve added docu and the tests to the mr
[14:59] <mhr3> tsdgeos, awesome, thx
[14:59] <mhr3> tsdgeos, so it even compiles now?
[14:59] <tsdgeos> mhr3: yeah!
[15:00] <mhr3> yey! :)
[15:04] <Saviq> mterry, the devices are flashed, but I'm afraid we need to wait for qtubuntu and unity-mir to land from silo 008
[15:05] <mterry> Saviq, I had MacSlow play with them, he got some crashes but I'm trying to see if they are related or not (one was in system-settings, so I doubt it, but the other was in unity8)
[15:05] <Saviq> mterry, kk
[15:11] <Saviq> mterry, so, one thing that we always drop the ball on... package cross-deps (Breaks, Depends etc. ), do we have them proper in silo 002?
[15:13] <mterry> Saviq, I believe so...  We certainly have the breaks/depends right between the unity8 packages.  As for depending on specific versions of other packages in the silo...  Not really.  But mostly because unity8-greeter *can* work alone without the other updates, but it just shouldn't
[15:13] <mterry> Saviq, ubuntu-touch-session will depend on unity8-greeter, to pull it into the image
[15:14] <Saviq> mterry, yeah, sure, if it doesn't *really* Break, we don't need it, just want to make sure that stuff doesn't break if you "apt install $foo"
[15:14] <Saviq> mterry, experience might not be great, but that's expected in that case
[15:14] <mterry> Saviq, is it common that an app crash tears down unity8?
[15:14] <mterry> Saviq, apt-get install foo should be fine
[15:14] <Saviq> mterry, the counter-argument is that we might get a migration from proposed and an image that builds with broken behavior
[15:15] <Saviq> in case things migrate separately
[15:15] <mterry> Saviq, you mean a partial migration situation?
[15:15] <Saviq> yes
[15:15] <Saviq> mterry, re: crash, it happens, but is not common
[15:15] <Saviq> mterry, and if you can get a trace, please do
[15:16] <mterry> Saviq, hmm...  I *think* we'd be mostly fine on silo 002.  Biggest problem would probably be USC landing separately
[15:16] <mterry> Saviq, can't get a good trace yet
[15:16] <mterry> And not reproducable
[15:16] <Saviq> mterry, so yeah, please think about where we should bump/add Provides/Breaks
[15:17] <Saviq> erm
[15:17] <Saviq> s/Provides/Depends
[15:17] <mterry> Saviq, no Breaks should be needed
[15:18] <mterry> Everything can land solo
[15:18] <mterry> Only question is if we might need some depends for expected behavior
[15:18] <mterry> Couldn't hurt to add one for USC
[16:07] <dednick> Saviq: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1324184


[02:10] <hadees> a couple of my disks keep reading as "Device or resource busy" i can't figure out what is using them
[02:11] <hadees> i need to free them up so I can add them to my zfs pool, any idea?
[02:45] <OldOneEye> how do i install SDL
[02:46] <qman__> apt-get install libsdl1.2-debian
[02:47] <qman__> er
[02:47] <qman__> apt-get install libsdl1.2debian
[02:47] <OldOneEye> hmm
[02:47] <OldOneEye> i cant make
[02:48] <qman__> you need compilers to make
[02:48] <qman__> and dev libs
[02:48] <qman__> build-essential is where it starts, but you may need other -dev libraries
[02:48] <OldOneEye> how i install
[02:48] <OldOneEye> ok kewl
[02:48] <OldOneEye> how i install?
[02:48] <qman__> apt-get install build-essential
[02:48] <OldOneEye> ok
[02:48] <OldOneEye> thanx
[02:50] <OldOneEye> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[02:50] <OldOneEye> cant apt-get
[02:50] <qman__> follow the instructions it gave you
[02:50] <qman__> apt-get update
[02:51] <qman__> also apt-get must be run as root, so prefix sudo or sudo -i to get a root console
[02:57] <OldOneEye> i cant access internet
[02:58] <OldOneEye> home network is fine
[02:58] <OldOneEye> but internet not working
[03:07] <qman__> make sure your gateway and DNS servers are set
[03:07] <qman__> view the configured gateway with route -n
[03:07] <OldOneEye> how i check dns servers
[03:07] <qman__> also ping <IP_ADDRESS> to test internet connectivity
[03:07] <OldOneEye> gateway is set
[03:08] <qman__> if that works, but names don't, it's DNS
[03:08] <OldOneEye> it works
[03:08] <OldOneEye> how i configure dns
[03:08] <qman__> DNS servers get set in /etc/resolv.conf, but with 12.04, they now use resolvconf
[03:08] <qman__> so they must be set in /etc/network/interfaces
[03:09] <OldOneEye> interfaces is set
[03:09] <OldOneEye> correctly
[03:10] <qman__> here's an example: http://www.fogproject.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_12.04_static_ip_configuration
[03:10] <qman__> that's for 12.04, for older releases you just set them in /etc/resolv.conf normally
[03:17] <OldOneEye> got it working
[03:18] <OldOneEye> thanx
[03:32] <hallyn> stgraber: lp:~serge-hallyn/ubuntu/quantal/lxc/lxc-config-includes works for me for config file includes (using 'lxc.include = somefile')
[03:33] <hallyn> (i'd tell highvoltage as i think he'd be interestedin testing, but i don't see him around)
[03:59] <hallyn> stgraber: also, are you considering pushing the api stuff into quantal before ff?
[04:33] <rockets> One of the web apps a dev wants to deploy to our server depends on the server time being set to the timezone of times he wants to display in the app. E.g. the app is going to be used by people in the EST zone, so he needs me to set server time to EST. Is this reasonable? Is it unfair for me to expect his app to just account for the fact that the server time is UTC?
[04:45] <qman__> rockets, that's not even a little bit reasonable
[04:45] <qman__> tell him to fix his app to use time zones properly
[04:45] <rockets> qman__: that's what I thought.
[04:45] <qman__> there's an entire system in place for just this reasons
[04:45] <rockets> apparently it's an issue with an api from twilio we need to use
[04:45] <rockets> where things break when php sets a timezone
[04:45] <rockets> which is HORRIBLE, but unfortunately twilio is a requirement for this project
[04:46] <qman__> using UTC as the system time, and setting the time zone for the applications, is the standard way across everything except Windows
[04:46] <rockets> qman__: I'm not arguing with you. But we do need the twilio API to work.
[04:47] <rockets> i don't know the exact issue yet. once i get more info, i'll have to make a decisino
[04:47] <qman__> it's possible to change it to use local time, but it's definitely not normal
[05:07] <Skaag> why am I being offered /dev/mapper by the grub installer during an Ubuntu 12.04 Server installation, as the boot loader target?
[05:07] <Skaag> is it valid?
[07:14] <jacobw2> morning
[07:39] <feisar> hi, I need a little advice on 12.04 and scsi tapes. I have a whole list of devices that could (and do) relate to the tape but I don't know which one I should be using eg. st0, st0a, st0l etc. then sg5 seems to be in the 'tape' group also. I can write to the tape fine using st0 but I'm not getting it's full compressed size.
[07:51] <melmoth> feisar, have a look in man st(4)
[07:51] <feisar> melmoth: thanks
[07:51] <melmoth> i think it explain what the minor number means (like , do you want to rewind after a read or not, and is compression used or not and so on)
[07:53] <feisar> ah ok so /dev/st0a is a minor number? It looks like writing to that might use compression
[07:54] <melmoth> for st0a the minor is 96 http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/devices.txt (you can chekc it out with ls -l too)
[07:58] <melmoth> i must admit i do not understand exactly how to know if compression is used or not.
[08:00] <feisar> I *think (with your pointers) I have worked out that /dev/st0a, st0m, st0l will invoke different compression rates
[08:00] <melmoth> feisar, apt-get install mt-st :-)
[08:00] <feisar> yes, thanks, I have done that
[08:00] <melmoth> you can then send an ioctl to the device you want telling it to enable compression
[08:01] <melmoth> (or i guess you could send the ioctl with some bit of c compiled yourself but i bet using mt-st is more convenient)
[08:02] <feisar> melmoth: I actually installed mtx which gives the package 'tapeinfo' and that confirms that compression is available and enabled
[08:03] <feisar> the tape should hold 400G compressed and last night (after 8 hours) it gave a 'full' error before finishing writing 240G
[08:04] <melmoth> first thing i would check was to double check you rewinded to the beginning before starting to write.
[08:04] <feisar> thats a good point
[08:07] <feisar> hmmm... I can't write to st0a 'no such device or address'
[08:11] <melmoth> http://www.redhat.com/archives/redhat-list/2003-April/msg00242.html
[08:12] <melmoth> as far as i understand, the minor number contain information about rewind + compression + mode
[08:12] <melmoth> but i do not know, given a minor number, how to tell wich of those option are set
[08:12] <melmoth> (all i know is, people tend to call non rewind device nstsomething, and that s about it :) )
[08:21] <lynxman> roaksoax: pong
[08:31] <feisar> melmoth: thanks for your help
[08:36] <lynxman> melmoth: quite a nice breakfast you had ;)
[08:36] <melmoth> hehe, that was yesterday dinner (just before a local lug gathering)
[08:36] <lynxman> melmoth: aaah
[08:37] <melmoth> they changed the hotdog size, they used to be wayyy smaller, was a bit surprised.
[08:43] <lynxman> melmoth: certainly it looked yummy
[08:44] <Anomie211> How do I update to the latest php on Ubuntu 11.10? I'm getting 'E: Broken Package' when following this guide -- http://askubuntu.com/questions/108929/easiest-way-to-upgrade-php-to-latest-version-on-11-10
[08:45] <zaggynl> So I set up the following: http://pastebin.com/MKn6AA1q
[08:46] <zaggynl> seems to work well until md3 starts giving ext4 errors, resulting in a read only mount until I fsck and remount
[08:46] <zaggynl> should I just go back to 1 disk for os and rest for raid?
[08:47] <AdvoWork> Hi there. i'm having a problem with some mounts on my servers. I'm moving files to a folder /mnt/documents on (server1) this works fine as it is, but the thing is, /mnt/documents is supposed to be a mounted share that i've done in /etc/fstab. When i do sudo mount -a this works too(it mounts and I can see the shared files). The problem is, as soon as I mount it, I get a permission denied problem and can no longer move files to /mnt/documen
[08:47] <AdvoWork> ts. I've done various tests, i've chown'ed things such as ftp:ftp, ftp:wheel, root:root, i've set to 777 as a test. same problem. I'm mounting via: //<IP_ADDRESS>/new_documents /mnt/documents cifs exec,credentials=/home/credentials. Any ideas please?
[09:23] <stanman246> hi is 12.04lts ready for production, or do you still use 10.04 lts?
[09:35] <rbasak> stanman246: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuServer#From_10.04_to_12.04 "It is generally recommended that users of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS wait until the first point release, due in July, before upgrading. "
[09:36] <rbasak> Although the firist point release is expected at the end of August
[09:36] <rbasak> Not sure why that says July
[09:39] <stanman246> rbasak, right. hmm.. I think I'll upgrade to 12.04.1 when it hits the streets then
[09:39] <stanman246> and go for 10.04 now
[09:40] <samcoldham1> I Recently bought a server and wondered if i should run with ubuntu how hard it is to set up because im not that good with ubuntu yet or servers so how hard is it to do and is it worth doing
[09:40] <jpds> samcoldham1: If it's a new deployment why not just do 12.04 for now, rather than have to upgrade later?
[09:41] <jpds> samcoldham1: Not hard at all; what are you going to do on this server?
[09:41] <jpds> stanman246: ↑ That first was for you.
[09:41] <rbasak> jpds: samcoldham1: yeah I was thinking about saying that. If it's a new deployment then presumably it'll be a few weeks before it goes into production anyway, so might as well get everything ready on 12.04 and then defer going live until 12.04.1 if you want
[09:41] <samcoldham1> use it for storage for files and run a website on it
[09:42] <jpds> samcoldham1: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/index.html
[09:42] <samcoldham1> is ubuntu making a new devlopment then
[09:42] <samcoldham1> when is this coming out
[09:43] <jpds> samcoldham1: Sorry, that first message wasn't aimed at you.
[09:43] <samcoldham1> oh ok
[09:44] <stanman246> jpds, true
[09:44] <stanman246> samcoldham1, why not install proxmox if it's a new server?
[09:45] <samcoldham1> could i run desktop enviroment like xfce or xorg i mean with ubuntu server
[09:45] <samcoldham1> whats proxmox
[09:45] <stanman246> http://www.proxmox.org
[09:45] <stanman246> virtualization
[09:46] <jpds> stanman246: KVM is the supported virtualization solution on Ubuntu Server.
[09:46] <stanman246> jpds, i know, but i find the proxmox VE also very workable :)
[09:47] <jpds> samcoldham1: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerGUI
[09:47] <jpds> samcoldham1: You could, but that page explains why you shouldn't.
[09:48] <samcoldham1> yeah i understand now why you shouldnt ur pc would be more vunerable to security threats
[09:48] <AdvoWork> I have a mount in /etc/fstab: //<IP_ADDRESS>/new_documents /mnt/documents cifs exec,credentials=/home/credentials and im trying to use it to move files, which fails. is it mounting as read only or something. As root i can touch file.txt no problem. doing the same with my web user(as i need todo this wil php files gives): cd /mnt/documents su www-data $ touch testing.txt touch: cannot touch `testing.txt': Permission denied
[09:49] <samcoldham1> is it easy to use kvm
[09:49] <jpds> samcoldham1: 'easy' is a relative term.
[09:50] <jpds> samcoldham1: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/virtualization.html - has some of the base documentation you need.
[09:58] <samcoldham1> what can you do in kvm
[09:59] <samcoldham1> like can you create documents or something or is it just to manage the server
[10:00] <samcoldham1> how does kvm hold your documents
[10:01] <samcoldham1> i guess the server does that
[10:01] <stanman246> samcoldham1, first read some kvm wiki's. After that you'll understand virtualization
[10:01] <stanman246> brb
[10:38] <basil60> hi any chance of advice on troubleshooting a web server that doesn't appear to work?
[10:43] <jamespage> zul: are you likely to upload a fix for bug 1006898 today?
[10:43] <jamespage> if not I'll push it back to -updates
[10:51] <basil60> thanks..i'll try again later
[11:44] <zul> jamespage: nope adding that patch makes me nervous for desktop users
[12:09] <zul> morning
[12:22] <lynxman> zul: morning!
[12:43] <jamespage> zul, ack
[13:15] <stgraber> hallyn: cool. I'll try to take a look at that branch later today. highvoltage is now jocarter on IRC, though he doesn't seem to be on this channel
[13:16] <stgraber> hallyn: I'm indeed planning to push the API work before FF
[13:16] <hallyn> stgraber: ok, i'll need to merge back in some new features presumably (like seccomp)
[13:16] <hallyn> though i can do that after ff of course
[13:17] <hallyn> stgraber: is that in for new lxc features?  (i think it is)
[13:17] <stgraber> hallyn: yeah, I don't expect anything else major to land before FF
[13:18] <stgraber> hallyn: I guess the best plan at the moment is to test the config include stuff, then push that to quantal, then I can rebase the API branch on quantal, have that one fixed and tested, then push that one to quantal
[13:21] <hallyn> sounds good.  (and then i have some docs to write :)
[13:24] <alex88> hi guys, ls --xml seems to be deprecated, another option to do that?
[13:25] <zul> smoser: ping
[13:36] <hallyn> can someone who has access pls accept the nominations for lucid..precise for bugs 629439 and 781411 ?
[13:58] <rbasak> jibel: could you help me understand bug 1034824 please? I don't follow it, because /etc/bind/named.conf.options is a conffile that should exist in precise bind9 as well. What am I missing?
[14:11] <trevjs> After installing postfix I'm trying to connect to it with telnet and I get "connection closed by foreign host" any ideas as to why this would be happening?
[14:12] <Anomie211> My filesystem is mounting in readonly mode for some reason, not letting me umount it (not producing any errors either though)  : http://pastebin.com/vSYPbK1p
[14:16] <trevjs> Anomie, not entirely sure Anomie, but maybe try umount -v and see if it gives you more info
[14:17] <Anomie211> root@server1:~# umount -v /dev/xvda
[14:17] <Anomie211> umount: /: not mounted
[14:17] <Anomie211> I'm accessing via LISH btw since ssh isn't working if that is relevant
[14:18] <Anomie211> trevjs: My server is very confused. http://pastebin.com/DhZHdn2n
[14:19] <trevjs> is it your root?
[14:20] <Anomie211> trevjs: Yeah
[14:21] <Anomie211> It's stuck in read-only mode for some reason so I'm trying to unmount/remount it
[14:21] <trevjs> Are you trying to unmount so you can check it?
[14:22] <Anomie211> I'm trying to unmount because I had the same problem a few hours ago, someone told me to umount it and run fsck /dev/xvda;mount -o remount,rw /media/xvda
[14:22] <Anomie211> which fixed it
[14:23] <Anomie211> but it isnt working anymore
[14:23] <trevjs> I can't fathom how you would unmount the root filesystem, unless you are in some sort of recovery mode.
[14:24] <Anomie211> trevjs: I'm in via LISH
[14:25] <Anomie211> It is a recovery mode for your server when nothing else is working
[14:26] <Anomie211> Not sure if has the same rights as full recovery mode though - I'll try recovery mode
[14:30] <trevjs> there is a -f flag for umount as well to force, but I'm uncomfortable giving my advice in this situation.  If you want to try it, it is at your own risk.
[14:32] <Anomie211> trevjs: It's a backup server anyway
[14:32] <Anomie211> I cloned my current server so I could work on it with 0 downtime
[14:35] <trevjs> is there a way to see ufw rules before you enable?
[14:35] <Anomie211> This is what comes up when I first login
[14:35] <Anomie211> http://pastebin.com/81QiAPaR
[14:35] <Anomie211> Any idea why my root file system isnt mounting?
[14:42] <Anomie211> trevjs: Found the problem. 'Automount devtmpfs' was enabled (I didn't enable it - not sure how that happened). I disabled that and it's working again. Ta anyway :)
[14:45] <smoser> zul, you rang?
[14:45] <smoser> some time ago
[14:46] <zul> smoser: found what i was looking for
[14:46] <jibel> rbasak, there is a post upgrade test that checks files considered as obsolete by dpkg after upgrade by running dpkg-query -W -f '${Conffiles}'|grep obsolete
[15:24] <axisys> so what is the recommended route to enable local dns caching? I see dnscache-run pkg available and my desktop has dnsmasq running..
[15:49] <Anomie211> Got my server mounted, updated to 10.04  - presented with this problem - http://pastebin.com/DuF0vn2T
[15:58] <Datz> Is this a new message that has been enabled?
[15:58] <Datz> Your CPU appears to be lacking expected security protections. Please check your BIOS settings, or for more information, run: /usr/bin/check-bios-nx --verbose
[15:59] <Datz> I hadn't seen it before, but I did recently make some changes in Bios. None that I would imagine disabled NX capabilities
[16:04] <akls> how can I create a wireless access point in ubuntu server?
[16:23] <hallyn> akls: access point you can't, but in ad-hoc mode isn't too hard
[16:23] <hallyn> just use iptables to nat traffic from wlan0 to eth0, and run a dnsmasq on wlan0
[16:23] <hallyn> (iwconfig it to ad-hoc mode first and ifconfig it to the addr you want)
[16:47] <speciaLGuest> anybody can help me with my "last" command output ? http://pastebin.com/Hi5A1dBf
[16:47] <speciaLGuest> it never looked like this with so many lines/rows
[17:45] <jparker> Anyone got any tips for updating from 6.06 to 12.04?
[17:50] <mdeslaur> jparker: wow...you'll likely have to do 6.06 -> 8.04 -> 10.04 -> 12.04
[17:50] <mdeslaur> jparker: reinstall instead? :)
[17:54] <patdk-wk> jparker, seriously? :)
[17:55] <jparker> ha, yeah this is mostly me trying to get around doing more work
[17:55] <patdk-wk> there will be alittle breakage upgrading 6.06 to 8.04, but I've done it for doh :)
[17:56] <jparker> actually this is on a throw away dev box that I am testing things out on
[17:57] <patdk-wk> basically, search/replace dapper with hardy in /etc/apt/
[17:57] <patdk-wk> and apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:57] <jparker> gotcha
[17:57] <patdk-wk> reboot, and fix it
[17:57] <patdk-wk> that will get you on stable
[17:57] <patdk-wk> then normal lts upgrades from there
[17:58] <patdk-wk> I can't remember what exactly broke, been awhile
[17:59] <patdk-wk> once your on lucid though, upgrade to grub2, before upgrading to 12.04, or your hit another bug
[17:59] <jparker> ahh okay
[18:00]  * patdk-wk thinks your on the wrong irc net though :)
[18:28] <samcoldham1> is it possible to install gnome to ubuntu server
[18:29] <samcoldham1> would it be ok to install kde or gnome to ubuntu server
[18:31] <genii-around> It is not recommended to have a graphical desktop on servers, since X uses a lot of resources.
[18:32] <samcoldham1> how would upload images and files to the website then
[18:35] <wedgie> why would you need a graphical environment to do that?
[18:35] <genii-around> Usually with scp
[18:35] <samcoldham1> oh ok thanks
[18:37] <samcoldham1> can you change the directions and move the photos with scp
[18:37] <samcoldham1> how would u manage the things u have on the website
[18:37] <genii-around> !ebox
[18:43] <samcoldham1> is there a free alternative
[18:46] <raubvogel> Does sshd in 10.04LTS support GSSAPIServerIdentity ?
[18:52] <raubvogel> According to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/1:5.7p1-1ubuntu1, it should be there
[18:52] <raubvogel> But I am not seeing that happen when I test it
[18:53] <raubvogel> Oh, NVM. Looking at wrong machine. 10.04LTS has ssh 5.3.
[22:05] <jkyle> does apt-cacher-ng allow serving your own local packages?
[22:31] <adam_g> zul: ping
[22:41] <zastern> I have the following in my /etc/environment: NODE_PATH="/usr/lib/nodejs:/usr/share/javascript:/usr/lib/node_modules/"
[22:41] <zastern> but if i logout and login, and do echo $NODE_PATH
[22:42] <zastern> I just get /usr/lib/nodejs:/usr/share/javascript
[23:12] <adam_g> SpamapS: anything you can see that would be blocking progress on bug #1021530?
[23:28] <Spazio> hi guys..i am trying to install wine on ubuntu server 12.04 but i get an error message that he grub boot loader wcannot install..it doesn't let me stop installation so dunno how to proceed
[23:29] <smw> anyone know why tomcat on ubuntu 10.04 would hang at Adding specified lib dirs to ClassLoader? http://fpaste.org/bsFo/