[00:32] <mrojas6996> hello!, anybody here?
[00:34] <Vermicelli> I'm having trouble getting my Humble Bundle to install with Ubuntu Software Center. I get a "Not Found," for each title, which oddly enough while not found may or may not have ratings.
[00:35] <Vermicelli> http://i.imgur.com/GkUyX.png
[02:08] <ramprasadgk> Hello All Good Morning
[02:08] <ramprasadgk> INDIA
[02:14] <GridCube> :) hello
[02:21] <holstein> Vermicelli: i dont see shatter in the repos
[02:36] <ramprasadgk> hey guys i am unbale to login to my admin account
[02:36] <ramprasadgk> i can log in to gues but
[02:37] <ramprasadgk> guest*
[02:37] <holstein> ramprasadgk: you dont have a root account by default... you mean, your normal user? you cant login to it?
[02:39] <ramprasadgk> i have
[02:39] <ramprasadgk> but not able to login
[02:39] <holstein> ramprasadgk: well, assuming you need to reset your password.. http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/resetpassword
[02:39] <holstein> ramprasadgk: i would just double check the password, and try in TTY
[02:55] <ramprasadgk> passowrd is right
[02:55] <ramprasadgk> i even reset that
[02:55] <holstein> ramprasadgk: reset what? the password? how?
[02:56] <holstein> ramprasadgk: did you try logging in in TTY?
[02:56] <ramprasadgk> when i enter my password a screen flashes and bang.. i am back to login screen
[02:56] <ramprasadgk> i reset using recovery mode
[02:56] <holstein> ramprasadgk: that could be a crash, more that a password failing
[02:56] <ramprasadgk> but thats not the problem
[02:56] <ramprasadgk> i think so
[02:56] <ramprasadgk> it was a brand new inst
[02:57] <ramprasadgk> 3 days ago
[02:57] <holstein> ramprasadgk: sure.. 3 days is enough time for you to break it though
[02:57] <ramprasadgk> ha ha
[02:57] <ramprasadgk> :)
[02:57] <holstein> ramprasadgk: you can start moving things out of the /home directory
[02:57] <holstein> i think you'll find you can login from TTY
[02:57] <ramprasadgk> i dont have anything great stored in there
[02:57] <holstein> you can get to a recovery console
[02:57] <ramprasadgk> i can login as guest though!
[02:58] <holstein> you can get to the /home directory from a live CD
[02:58] <ramprasadgk> no
[02:58] <ramprasadgk> i have it installed
[02:58] <holstein> ramprasadgk: i dont think you can do what i am suggesting from the guest account, but feel free and try
[02:58] <holstein> ramprasadgk: you can get to the /home directory of the user that is failing to login by using a live CD
[02:58] <holstein> OR, TTY
[02:59] <holstein> or the recovery root console
[02:59] <ramprasadgk> i can login
[02:59] <ramprasadgk> using recovery mode
[02:59] <holstein> ramprasadgk: then whats the issue?
[03:00] <ramprasadgk> i dont think best way is use recovery mode everytime
[03:00] <holstein> ramprasadgk: ok.. then in there you can remove or move .config and whatever other changes in there you think might be breaking the loading
[03:00] <ramprasadgk> to use xubuntu
[03:00] <ramprasadgk> k let me try it out
[03:00] <holstein> ramprasadgk: while in recovery mode, you can recover the system.. you can remove some of the configuration files in your /home directory
[03:01] <ramprasadgk> ok
[03:01] <holstein>  .config would be the first one i would try
[03:10] <ramprasadgk> i have ibus
[03:10] <ramprasadgk> under .config
[03:10] <ramprasadgk> should i remove  that
[03:12] <holstein> ramprasadgk: what i am suggesting is to remove or rename .config
[03:12] <holstein> i would just backup what is there, and blow it out.. reboot and try and login
[03:26] <ramprasadgk> it dint work
[03:26] <ramprasadgk> anyaway i gotta reintall XUBUNTU
[05:02] <XT_hydra> hi i have a problem with my xfce configs
[05:04] <XT_hydra> i recently had problem like panel not apearing and mouse not apearing and no keyboard input and so on
[05:04] <XT_hydra> so i deleted some stuff in ".conf" in my "home" folder
[05:04] <XT_hydra> but i dont see the little "x" button for quitting a window anymore
[05:05] <XT_hydra> likely the problem is wich configuration handle the GUI for that button?
[05:10] <XT_hydra> ooh i googled it problem solved.. lol
[05:23] <Mathias> :P
[06:05] <nexion> hola
[06:05] <nexion> hi
[06:55] <dreamr4c3r> Hi does anybody know how to type ascii characters?
[06:56] <dreamr4c3r> I tried with alt+numbers but it didn't work
[06:56] <ball> dreamr4c3r: You should have a key for each of the printable ASCII characters.  Are you looking for something non-ASCII?
[06:56] <ball> (what number were you typing?)
[06:57] <dreamr4c3r> erm, sorry maybe not ascii haha i want to type special characters like the swedish a with the two dots and stuff
[06:57] <dreamr4c3r> these: äåö
[06:57] <ball> That's definitely not ASCII, but let me see what I can find.
[06:57] <dreamr4c3r> thanks :)
[06:57] <ball> Mouse -> Accessories -> Character Map
[06:58] <ball> ...hopefully that will help.
[06:58] <dreamr4c3r> oh i see, so i have to copy them from here?
[06:58] <dreamr4c3r> i suppose there's no way to type them quickly?
[06:58] <ball> There may be.  I notice it says u+four digits
[06:58]  * ball experiments
[07:00] <Sysi> https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/ubuntu-help/tips-specialchars.html#ctrlshiftu
[07:01] <ball> smoöth
[07:01] <dreamr4c3r> hehe i was thiking of compose keys, though i didn't see an options button in the keyboard layout
[07:01] <ball> Thanks Sysi
[07:01] <dreamr4c3r> ami just blind?
[07:02] <ball> I've just noticed that my keyboard doesn't seem to have an AltGr key
[07:02] <Sysi> there are different keyboard settings in xubuntu and ubuntu
[07:02] <ball> I wonder when those went away.
[07:02] <dreamr4c3r> :/
[07:03] <Sysi> there are other ways of settings compose kay, like xmodmap and xkb
[07:03] <ball> I just installed Xubuntu this morning.
[07:04] <ball> I like it.
[07:04] <dreamr4c3r> :)
[07:04] <dreamr4c3r> it's fast huh hahah
[07:06] <dreamr4c3r> thanks sysi
[07:06] <ramprasadgk> hey guys where can i download all plugins for parole
[07:06] <ramprasadgk> keep it simple pals
[07:07] <ramprasadgk> dont send me a big doc
[07:07] <ramprasadgk> parole video/audio player
[07:08] <Sysi> do you lack some functionality you'd like to have?
[07:09] <ramprasadgk> yes
[07:09] <ramprasadgk> i cant play any vido on it
[07:09] <ramprasadgk> ex avi,mpeg etc
[07:09] <ramprasadgk> thats just basic rite
[07:09] <Sysi> !restricted-extras
[07:09] <ramprasadgk> it says sometimes, decoder not installed
[07:09] <Sysi> !codecs
[07:09] <ramprasadgk> sometimes plugin needed
[07:10] <Sysi> you need plugin for subsystem that player uses rather than player itself actually
[07:10] <Sysi> search for gstreamer plugins in software center
[07:11] <Sysi> you need -bad and -ugly
[08:06] <mlpokn> Hi
[08:07] <mlpokn> Guys
[08:07] <torax> hey
[08:07] <mlpokn> My USB mouse shows up twice in the Mouse Settings options. What can I do?
[09:06] <erkan^> hello, where can i change a theme? i have 12.04 ?
[09:07] <akis>  i installed an add-on on my thunderbird but due to a conflict with another add-on i remove it. i am running xubutnu 12.04 and as far as i can see in /home/user/thunderbird there is no trace of this add-on after i remove it. is there any possibility of any left-over files somewhere else and how can i be sure that removing this add-on everything related to it is removed?
[09:37] <mgs555> Hey all. A bit of a newbie here. Recently installed xubuntu over the vanilla installation. 1. How do I change the appearance of checkboxes, sliders, tabs and such? I can't seem to find settings for this in either Appearance or Window Manager settings. 2. How do I make the volume control work? Best I can tell there's some conflict between pulseaudio and the one that xfce comes with. Is the xfce mixer ever gonna work "as expected" on t
[09:38] <TheSheep> mgs555: yes
[09:39] <knome> mgs555, 1) go to applications -> settings -> settings manager -> appearance
[09:40] <knome> mgs555, it's in the style tab
[09:41] <mgs555> knome - that just seems to change the color scheme and window borders, but the sliders and stuff stays the same. maybe something's bugged out? They all seem kind of "primitive" - the checkboxes are just popped up buttons and sliders are these crude bars.
[09:42] <mgs555> I switched between ubuntu/xubuntu/xfe a few times to try them out and it seems that this changed after I logged back into xubuntu the last time
[09:43] <mgs555> oh, never mind :)
[09:43] <mgs555> it finally worked
[09:43] <mgs555> I just didn't try the right themes
[09:44] <mgs555> sorry
[09:44] <mgs555> is the sound mixer issue solvable?
[09:51] <ramprasadgk> my wifi is not detecting any n/w even though quiet a few around, ::: all drivers installed .. rfkill list wlan says they are not hard/soft blocked
[09:52] <ramprasadgk> how to connect to my wifi
[09:57] <ramprasadgk> anyone there
[09:57] <ramprasadgk> .............?
[09:59] <Simooon> ramprasadgk, perhaps your hardware switch is turned off?
[09:59] <ramprasadgk> no
[09:59] <ramprasadgk> it is on
[09:59] <Simooon> and it have worked before?
[09:59] <Simooon> *has
[09:59] <ramprasadgk> this is my first xubuntu install
[09:59] <Simooon> ok
[09:59] <ramprasadgk> with windows it was fine
[10:00] <Simooon> you can not detect any networks at all?
[10:00] <ramprasadgk> well
[10:00] <ramprasadgk> not wireless
[10:00] <Simooon> ok
[10:00] <ramprasadgk> during installation it mentioned that dhcp server inst failed
[10:01] <ramprasadgk> is that a porb
[10:01] <Simooon> not sure, perhaps you should try installing that
[10:01] <Simooon> ?
[10:01] <ramprasadgk> well
[10:01] <ramprasadgk> apart frm that
[10:01] <ramprasadgk> anything basic am i missing
[10:02] <longwuyuan> ramprasad ... if you click the icon in task bar .. do you see wireless enabled
[10:02] <ramprasadgk> because i got all drivers installed
[10:02] <Simooon> hmm not sure, sorry but I have to go
[10:03] <ramprasadgk> no
[10:03] <longwuyuan> have you tried to enable it
[10:03] <ramprasadgk> how do i do that
[10:04] <longwuyuan> unless u can tell what is wrong ..   i am not sure what solution will work for you
[10:04] <longwuyuan> what is the output of  iwlist wlan0 scanning
[10:04] <longwuyuan> " iwlist wlan0 scanning"
[10:05] <ramprasadgk> iterface doesn't support scanning
[10:05] <longwuyuan> also what is the output of "iwconfig"
[10:06] <ramprasadgk> lo no wireless ext
[10:06] <ramprasadgk> eth 0 no wireless ext
[10:06] <longwuyuan> any other line ?
[10:06] <ramprasadgk> lo eth0.. no other
[10:06] <ramprasadgk> only 2
[10:07] <longwuyuan> then your wireless card is not even initialised
[10:07] <ramprasadgk> what do i have to do
[10:07] <longwuyuan> bring  the wlan card up
[10:07] <ramprasadgk> because i m trying from past few days
[10:07] <longwuyuan> what hardware
[10:07] <ramprasadgk> any command?
[10:07] <longwuyuan> what laptop
[10:07] <ramprasadgk> BCM 4311
[10:08] <longwuyuan> what wireless card make and model
[10:08] <ramprasadgk> broadcom
[10:08] <ramprasadgk> BCM4311
[10:08] <longwuyuan> in "dmesg" output ... do you see the driver init
[10:08] <ramprasadgk> 802.11b/g
[10:08] <longwuyuan> "dmesg | less" and search
[10:09] <longwuyuan> better use xubuntu live and make sure that wireless works from live
[10:10] <ramprasadgk> driver init?
[10:10] <ramprasadgk> iany command to initialize wlan
[10:11] <ramprasadgk> card
[10:11] <longwuyuan> see the output of "dmesg" by typing "dmesg | less" . then use arrow keys of laptop keybaord to go up and down (or /<<text>>) and search if broadcom and wlan0 got initialised or not
[10:11] <longwuyuan> if not then ..  i can't help in chat .. you have to read docs on how to install drivers for the hardware that you are using
[10:12] <longwuyuan> if u used XUBUNTU LIVE .. then you can know if your WIRELESS hardware works or not
[10:13] <longwuyuan> do u have GUI ?
[10:13] <ramprasadgk> i dint find wlan0
[10:13] <ramprasadgk> i have GUI
[10:14] <longwuyuan> then connect ethernet cable and do update first
[10:14] <ramprasadgk> ok
[10:15] <longwuyuan> maybe you will be able to communicate root-cause for somone to help you
[10:15] <ramprasadgk> but i dont  have lan
[10:15] <ramprasadgk> only wifi
[10:15] <ramprasadgk> community wifi
[10:15] <longwuyuan> ok .. can u boot your computer to XUBUNTU LIVE ?
[10:16] <ramprasadgk> i have alternate CD only
[10:16] <longwuyuan> did u install from USB or CD
[10:16] <ramprasadgk> i have live ubuntu though
[10:16] <ramprasadgk> but alternate CD of Xubuntu
[10:17] <longwuyuan> does that boot to live ?
[10:17] <longwuyuan> i don't know so asking
[10:17] <ramprasadgk> oh yes
[10:17] <longwuyuan> then boot to live
[10:17] <ramprasadgk> but i havent tried on this laptop
[10:17] <ramprasadgk> because thsi is pretty old
[10:17] <ramprasadgk> like just 256 mb
[10:17] <knome> alternate CD doesn't boot to live
[10:17] <ramprasadgk> thats why i got xubuntu
[10:18] <longwuyuan> if  your card is recognized .. in live CD then it will work with install
[10:18] <knome> ramprasadgk, lubuntu might be even better for you
[10:18] <longwuyuan> versions of hardware software etc need to match. what is your laptop model
[10:18] <ramprasadgk> prob i si got lesser h/w
[10:18] <ramprasadgk> presario CT500
[10:18] <ramprasadgk> compaq
[10:19] <longwuyuan> how old ?
[10:19] <ramprasadgk> 7 yrs
[10:19] <longwuyuan> and which xubuntu version are you trying ?
[10:19] <ramprasadgk> 4.1
[10:19] <ramprasadgk> latest
[10:19] <knome> there is no 4.1 version
[10:20] <knome> do you mean 12.04.1 ?
[10:20] <ramprasadgk> yes
[10:20] <ramprasadgk> sorry
[10:20] <ramprasadgk> its 12.04.1
[10:21] <ramprasadgk> this is gettting tough
[10:21] <ramprasadgk> let me try fedora
[10:22] <ramprasadgk> i love ubuntu for its simplicity until simple things won't work :)
[10:22] <knome> good luck with installing; whatever you end up installing
[10:22] <knome> but i doubt fedora will support bcm any more or less
[10:23] <ramprasadgk> not sure
[10:23] <knome> ramprasadgk, did you already read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx ?
[10:23] <ramprasadgk> oh yeah
[10:23] <knome> well, the drivers are the same for all linuxes
[10:23] <knome> ramprasadgk, have you updated your bios? that worked wonders for my wife's laptop
[10:23] <ramprasadgk> i have got my drivers installed
[10:23] <ramprasadgk> how do i do that
[10:23] <ramprasadgk> what do i update
[10:24] <knome> check your motherboard manual
[10:24] <knome> you should check first if there even is bios update available; but i'm quite sure there is if you have a 7-year old pc and haven't updated it :)
[10:25] <ramprasadgk> hmm
[10:25] <ramprasadgk> pint is windows gets this right everytime
[10:25] <ramprasadgk> point*
[10:25] <ramprasadgk> why not with *inx
[10:25] <knome> yeah, windows has better support for bcm*
[10:26] <knome> long story short: because the bcm* drivers are closed source and linux maintainers would need to reverse-engineer them
[10:27] <ramprasadgk> well
[10:27] <ramprasadgk> i guess this is the time to update my system
[10:27] <ramprasadgk> :)
[10:28] <ramprasadgk> atleast will get a better RAM
[10:28] <knome> well, that too
[10:28] <knome> just check the components are known to be supported on linux, if you're going to use linux
[10:28] <ramprasadgk> true
[10:28] <knome> i know that's kind of stupid and you shouldn't need to do that, but that's how things are currently
[10:29] <ramprasadgk> i know
[10:29] <knome> otoh, if you choose the correct components, everything will work OOTB
[10:29] <knome> and that's simply awesome :)
[10:29] <ramprasadgk> this market is you need better h/w for better s/w
[10:29] <ramprasadgk> flip side of that is you won't learn most of things
[10:30] <knome> that's true, but you can't always win
[10:30] <knome> i suppose it depends much on what you use the stuff for
[10:30] <ramprasadgk> correct
[10:31] <ramprasadgk> basically i wanted to get this laptop for my wife
[10:31] <knome> if it's for leisure, it might be ok to have some unsupported/not fully supported stiff, but if it's for work, you most probably want maximum stability
[10:31] <ramprasadgk> just to browse the net and watch movies
[10:31] <ramprasadgk> yeah
[10:31] <ramprasadgk> rite
[10:31] <knome> 256MB sounds a bit low for that; i'm not sure how that'd play movies anyway
[10:31] <ramprasadgk> hmm
[10:31] <ramprasadgk> it does
[10:32] <ramprasadgk> not very well but
[10:32] <knome> i've had better PC's that don't play DVD's or video files well, and when it comes to youtube, if you want to use firefox, it's known to take half a gig...
[10:32] <ramprasadgk> however if i get my wifi working i can get many things straight
[10:32] <knome> what's the step where you are stuck at
[10:32] <knome> or have you followed the tutorial but it still simply doesn't work?
[10:32] <ramprasadgk> yes
[10:33] <ramprasadgk> atleas in my case
[10:33] <ramprasadgk> i tried all
[10:33] <ramprasadgk> i got all wwifi drivers installed
[10:33] <ramprasadgk> it is showing up now
[10:33] <ramprasadgk> but not scanning any wifi
[10:33] <knome> hmm
[10:33] <ramprasadgk> n/ws
[10:34] <knome> do you have several drivers loaded? (check lsmod)
[10:35] <ramprasadgk> yes
[10:35] <ramprasadgk> lots of
[10:35] <knome> i mean, several for wifi
[10:35] <knome> afaik you shold only have one
[10:35] <ramprasadgk> i dont have that
[10:36] <knome> ok
[10:36] <knome> weird
[10:36] <knome> a bios update could very well work
[10:37] <knome> updating it is not a bad idea anyway
[10:37] <ramprasadgk> for that i need a CD
[10:37] <ramprasadgk> rite
[10:37] <ramprasadgk> motherboard cd
[10:37] <knome> mmh, no
[10:37] <knome> you can get to bios on boot by pressing some keys, usually esc, del, f2, or so..
[10:37] <ramprasadgk> i know to get there
[10:38] <knome> check the manual from the internet for your motherboard/bios
[10:38] <knome> on how to update
[10:38] <knome> iirc i updated the bios with a usb stick :)
[10:38] <ramprasadgk> hmm
[10:38] <knome> ymmv
[10:39] <ramprasadgk> but tell me onething just to quickly no everything is fine with wifi ,any aprticular command or plca to chk
[10:39] <ramprasadgk> know*
[10:39] <knome> well, read the tutorials
[10:39] <ramprasadgk> quickly no--> quickly know
[10:39] <knome> http://www.linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43
[10:39] <knome> that too
[10:39] <knome> i don't have any specific ideas to test
[10:39] <knome> just what's listed on those
[10:40] <ramprasadgk> ok np
[10:43] <ramprasadgk> one more thing
[10:43] <ramprasadgk> have you got vlan runing on xubuntu
[10:43] <knome> sure
[10:43] <knome> yes
[10:44] <ramprasadgk> and also vlc player?
[10:44] <knome> not on this laptop, but i have it on desktop
[10:52] <ramprasadgk> ok
[10:56] <knome> how so?
[11:01] <mgs555> hey all, I'll give it another try: I am having trouble with sound mixer after switching from ubuntu to xubuntu. Been googling all day, honest. Pulseaudio is not supported in xf gui, is this the right conclusion? I must switch completely to alsa? How is this to be done? I seem to have both of them now and neither the taskbar volume control nor keyboard media keys are working.
[11:09] <knome> mgs555, have you tried installig pavucontrol?
[11:09] <mgs555> yes, but I don't get the option of adding it to the panel
[11:10] <mgs555> I can add the xf mixer to the panel, but it doesn't seem to work properly
[11:10] <mgs555> like now, I just did apt-get purge on pulseaudio
[11:11] <mgs555> but the mixer still says its using the card through pusleaudio rather than alsa
[11:11] <knome> mgs555, do you have the indicator area enabled? pulseaudio should show up there
[11:12] <mgs555> what do you mean by "indicator area"?
[11:12] <knome> mgs555, "indicator plugin" from the applet list
[11:13] <mgs555> yes
[11:14] <knome> so, doesn't that show you a volume indicator?
[11:14] <mgs555> I have my other icons there - skype, bt, dropbox, etc
[11:14] <mgs555> the volume indicator is there
[11:14] <mgs555> when I click on it, though, instead of a volume control it just takes me straight to the mixer
[11:14] <knome> hmm, i wonder if that's the right item
[11:14] <knome> that shouldn't take you to the mixed
[11:15] <knome> what version of xubuntu did you have again?
[11:15] <mgs555> where it says Soundcard: Playback: Built-in Audio Analog Surround 5.1 (PulseAudio Mixer)
[11:15] <mgs555> why is it puslse audio if I purged it
[11:16] <mgs555> hm, how do I check? :)
[11:16] <knome> 'lsb_release -a' in a terminal
[11:17] <mgs555> Ubuntu 12.04.0 LTS
[11:18] <mgs555> .1
[11:19] <knome> is it an upgraded system, or a fresh install?
[11:20] <mgs555> I installed xubuntu through apt-get over a fresh ubuntu install
[11:20] <knome> ok
[11:20] <mgs555> that's the problem?
[11:20] <knome> probably not, just checking :)
[11:21] <knome> can you confirm that you don't have the mixer applet in the panel - only the indicator plugin
[11:21] <knome> right-click panel -> panel -> panel preferences -> tab items
[11:21] <mgs555> I have the mixer applet
[11:22] <knome> ok, remove that for now
[11:22] <knome> and see of you have a volume icon visible
[11:22] <mgs555> I believe I installed it only because the indicator applet didn't have a volume control
[11:22] <mgs555> ok
[11:23] <mgs555> ok, removed. indicator only has messenger, bt, wifi, skype, dropbox, spotify
[11:24] <mgs555> and I can't seem to get any options on it now - before I used to be able to hide certain icons. hm...
[11:24] <knome> try installing indicator-sound-gtk2 and see if it appears
[11:24] <knome> (you should have that installed, but who knows)
[11:27] <mgs555> ok. so looks like dependencies are gonna take pusle audio back in
[11:27] <recon_lap> what joy :)
[11:27] <knome> mgs555, yes; have you had output problems with that?
[11:27] <knome> recon_lap, pulseaudio is actually getting better and better; it works relatively well for most today
[11:28] <mgs555> ok, done - so what should happen now? :)
[11:28] <knome> mgs555, the volume/sound indicator should appear
[11:28] <knome> mgs555, you might need to restart the panel; the easiest way is to log out and in
[11:30] <mgs555> ha! Interesting side effect. I removed the indicator applet, and it reappeared again - even though it's not on the list
[11:30] <knome> hmm, weird
[11:30] <mgs555> and this one is the one that I customized, with BT and wifi hidden away
[11:30] <knome> hmmkay
[11:30] <knome> does the volume icon show up?
[11:32] <mgs555> but this one is called "Notification Area"
[11:32] <knome> right, that's not the one you actually want
[11:32] <knome> and yeah, it's not a side effect; i think it might be expected
[11:32] <knome> you can't have both notification are and indicator area/plugin, afaik
[11:59] <recon_lap> how do you check that packages are installed without doing anything ?
[12:00] <recon_lap> without changing anything*
[12:00] <tsimpson> apt-cache policy <package>
[12:00] <recon_lap> thx
[12:00] <tsimpson> tells you if it's installed, if so what version, and what available versions are
[12:59] <asenk> Why do i have to add source for virtualbox when i want to install it (nothings wrong with that, just want to know why)
[12:59] <GridCube> what source?
[12:59] <GridCube> !info vbox
[12:59] <GridCube> !info vbox
[13:00] <GridCube> !info virtualbox
[13:00] <GridCube> is in universe
[13:02] <asenk> so virtualbox isnt in the default sources list -> ok -> but why?
[13:03] <Sysi> !info xubuntu-desktop
[13:03] <koegs> asenk: because it is not maintained by the ubuntu maintainers but by oracle
[13:04] <Sysi> also universe
[13:05] <koegs> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu
[13:06] <GridCube> asenk, is in universe, you dont need extra sources
[13:21] <jerli> hi there
[13:24] <Mathias> hi
[13:44] <GridCube> sup
[13:48] <Fohlen> hi @all
[13:49] <GridCube> hello :)
[13:49] <Fohlen> i have a question, is it possible to set up my mouse, so that i have the same feeling as in windows (xp/7)
[13:49] <GridCube> describe "feeling"
[13:51] <Fohlen> hmm, it is much faster i think
[13:51] <Fohlen> i googled arround a bit, but didnt found mouch :/
[13:52] <Fohlen> generally, is there a "tool" where i can setup my mouse a bit more precise as with settings-manager?
[13:52] <GridCube> go to the settings manager and to the "mouse and touchpad" submenu, there adjust acceleration and sencibility
[13:52] <Fohlen> i tryed over 2 hours i think :/
[13:52] <Fohlen> it is really hard, as a gamer to change mouse feeling :P:D
[13:53] <GridCube> then you can install synaptics
[13:53] <Sysi> disable acceleration, try some different values for sensitivity
[13:53] <GridCube> !info synaptics
[13:53] <GridCube> mmmm
[13:53] <GridCube> wait
[13:53] <Fohlen> k
[13:53] <GridCube> ok
[13:53] <GridCube> !info gsynaptics
[13:54] <Fohlen> kthx, i will try that :)
[13:55] <Fohlen> uhm, i have to say, xubuntu 12.04 lts is nice work, you fixed much guys ;)
[13:55] <GridCube> :) and 12.10 will be better with 4.10
[13:57] <Fohlen> uhm, in gponting device manager i can only setup middle mouse-button?
[13:57] <GridCube> oh
[13:57] <GridCube> :(
[13:59] <Fohlen> hmm, my problem is, sensivity is nice
[13:59] <Fohlen> but mouse isnt precise
[13:59] <Fohlen> it "glitches" away, when i shot
[13:59] <Fohlen> that drives me angry :/
[13:59] <GridCube> mmmm
[14:00] <GridCube> adjusting the sencibility bar doesnt fix that?
[14:00] <Fohlen> nope, but maybe it is that table
[14:00] <GridCube> Fohlen, we are so close to 12.10 that im going to propose you to try installing xfce 4.10
[14:00] <Fohlen> but under windoof, it worked :/
[14:01] <Fohlen> hmm, no, i will upgrade then ;)
[14:01] <GridCube> :P but it might fix this problem
[14:01] <GridCube> or you can try using a withe sheet of paper under your mouse
[14:01] <GridCube> :P
[14:01] <erkan^> xubuntu is nearly same as gnome (-:
[14:02] <GridCube> D:
[14:03] <erkan^> (-: is nice than :-) or no, GridCube ?
[14:04] <GridCube> D: if you are implying that its almost the same as gnome 3 then no
[14:04] <GridCube> :P
[14:04] <GridCube> !ot | but in any case
[14:04] <GridCube> :D
[14:05] <erkan^> I am no good in the development
[14:05] <GridCube> :P but you can go to offtopic to random chatter if you dont have any real problem
[14:05] <GridCube> :)
[14:06] <Marzata> but the offtopic channel is no active
[14:06] <erkan^> ow
[14:06] <erkan^> have xubuntu a offtopic too?
[14:06] <Marzata> there are better random chat channels for ubuntu users
[14:07] <GridCube> erkan^, did you read what ubottu said?
[14:07] <GridCube> Marzata, thats not true
[14:07] <erkan^> oeps i didn't see good, GridCube
[14:08] <recon_lap> erkan^: well go into settings and increase you font size ^-^
[14:09] <erkan^> recon_lap, i have a syndrome usher
[14:09] <erkan^> type 1
[14:09] <erkan^> :-S
[14:10] <recon_lap> erkan^: sorry to hear that.
[14:10] <erkan^> no problem, you didn't know about me
[14:10] <erkan^> (-:
[14:15] <|Anthony|> how do i make it such that 2 users can access audio devices at the same time? it would be 2 different audio devices
[14:16] <GridCube> set that up on pavucontrol
[14:17] <Fohlen> hmm, do anyone know what is the default of "Device Accel Constant Deceleration" ?
[14:18] <GridCube> Fohlen, http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/Development/Documentation/PointerAcceleration
[14:18] <|Anthony|> GridCube, it's not that simple. really. i've tried. only one user has access to all the sound cards at one time, the other gets Dummy output
[14:19] <GridCube> |Anthony|, make different groups for each user, like "audio1" and "audio2" and make those devices part of only those groups also
[14:19] <|Anthony|> through udev?
[14:20] <GridCube> you got me there i dont really know
[14:20] <|Anthony|> lol
[14:20] <|Anthony|> well how would you implement that suggestion there3
[14:21] <GridCube> i would go and create a new group for each user, then i would add those devices to those groups separadetly, and i would search how to do that on the googles and probably end using udev for all i know :P
[14:22] <livingdaylight> greetings
[14:22] <GridCube> !hi | livingdaylight
[14:23] <livingdaylight> thanks GridCube
[14:23] <GridCube> :)
[14:26] <livingdaylight> I brought backdrops from /usr/share/xfce/backdrops or wherever from, to my home directory, but, now can't save new wallpaper to that folder. I tried sudo chmod +X ~/Pictures/backdrops but that doesn't seem to give me write permission still
[14:26] <|Anthony|> that's kinda funny
[14:27] <|Anthony|> sorry
[14:27] <|Anthony|> solidarity in failure i suppose
[14:27] <Fohlen> lol
[14:27] <Fohlen> GridCube, i can hear my mouseclicks/keyboard in mumble
[14:27] <Fohlen> could that be a fault of xubuntu?
[14:28] <livingdaylight> wtf?
[14:29] <Fohlen> i dont know why, but they hear my mouse louder than my voice o.o
[14:29] <|Anthony|> livingdaylight, it might be a better approach for the future to copy the individual files to a new folder and change perms of individual files
[14:30] <livingdaylight> |Anthony|: hrmm... I didn't know. how do I change permissions now?
[14:30] <livingdaylight> http://clip2net.com/s/2jP2s
[14:36] <livingdaylight> haro?
[14:37] <GridCube> yes?
[14:37] <livingdaylight> yes, please?
[14:37] <GridCube> why +x?
[14:37] <GridCube> you want to execute images?
[14:37] <GridCube> do man chmod
[14:37] <livingdaylight> want to change permission so I can import as described above
[14:39] <GridCube> livingdaylight, what is what you want to do
[14:39] <livingdaylight> is it really not clear? :s
[14:39] <GridCube> you want to be able to see the backdrops you add on your ~/ folder ont he choosing thingy for backdrops on the desktop?
[14:40] <livingdaylight> backdrops was originally a file in root with root permissions
[14:40] <GridCube> i know, buy you tried to give it +X
[14:40] <GridCube> that would make them eXecutable files
[14:40] <|Anthony|> lol
[14:41] <livingdaylight> As a user I brought in the backdrops folder to my home folder so as to have a readily-available source of wallpapers and folder for adding more wallpapers available.
[14:41] <GridCube> livingdaylight, i understand
[14:41] <livingdaylight> well, don't mock me, give me the solution, please?
[14:41] <GridCube> but there is a folder for that already
[14:42] <livingdaylight> |Anthony|: twat
[14:42] <GridCube> as i was saying
[14:42] <|Anthony|> did you really just call me a twat?
[14:42] <GridCube> you have to create a folder named backdrops on ~/.local/share/xfce4/backdrops
[14:42] <GridCube> and then put all your images there
[14:43] <GridCube> and they will be listed on the chooser thingy on the desktop
[14:43] <GridCube> that folder is own by you and you can do what ever you want to it
[14:43] <livingdaylight> the folder is already there. Its where I copied it from to my home/folder. What's wrong with that?
[14:43] <GridCube> you moved permissions
[14:43] <GridCube> and it was not really needed
[14:44] <livingdaylight> GridCube: ok, sorry, no. I moved backdrops from a root folder.
[14:44] <|Anthony|> you could have also created a ln -s
[14:44] <livingdaylight> question is why do I need to create a folder? I@m asking how to I copy a folder from root and move it to my home directory?
[14:45] <GridCube> because you dont really "need" to
[14:45] <livingdaylight> I'm sure its dead simple
[14:45] <livingdaylight> whether I need to or not is not the question
[14:45] <GridCube> that folder is own by root and defines the wallpapers for all users, the ones on your ~/ are own by you and only you can see them
[14:45] <livingdaylight> fact is I have moved it and now I can't save images to that folder - why? and more importantly, - how - do I change it so that I can
[14:46] <livingdaylight> oh, boy...
[14:46] <GridCube> livingdaylight, you need to change permisions for that directory
[14:46] <GridCube> not for the files inside them
[14:46] <livingdaylight> GridCube: yes, how, please? :)
[14:46] <GridCube> launch gksu thunar
[14:46] <recon_lap> livingdaylight: http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/filepermissions.html
[14:46] <GridCube> go to ~/.local/share/xfce4/
[14:46] <GridCube> right clic on the folder backdrops and go to the permision tab
[14:47] <GridCube> there fix it to "anyone can write"
[14:47] <livingdaylight> I hoped to do it from command line, with chmod. Is that not a way?
[14:47] <GridCube> yes, theres a way
[14:49] <GridCube> sudo chmor +r ~/.local/share/xfce4/bacdrops
[14:49] <GridCube> sudo chmod +r ~/.local/share/xfce4/bacdrops
[14:49] <GridCube> oh man...
[14:49] <GridCube> its +w
[14:49] <GridCube> +w means its Writable
[14:50] <GridCube> and its backdrops... oh gods, there you have why i know the gui ways of doing this things
[14:51] <livingdaylight> I did the gksu method just to see and still says that the owner is root http://clip2net.com/s/2jPkq
[14:55] <GridCube> the owner might be root but the permisions are to everyone can write
[14:55] <GridCube> on "others"
[14:56] <livingdaylight> what a pain. I want to change owner root to me the user to make it consistent with all other folders in my /home/
[14:56] <GridCube> then move it back to where it where and make a new folder yourself
[14:56] <livingdaylight> seems I need to create a folder and can't bring in a root folder and change the owner
[14:57] <holstein> i would just make a new one, pull in what you need and chown
[14:57] <livingdaylight> strange
[14:57] <GridCube> mmm chown
[14:57] <livingdaylight> So, are saying it is impossible in LInux to bring in a root folder and change the owner?
[14:58] <GridCube> no
[14:58] <GridCube> use chown
[14:58] <GridCube> sudo chown you /folder
[14:58] <holstein> livingdaylight: in linux, its all open, so everything is possible.. its even possible to break things and configure things improperly
[14:58] <livingdaylight> well, gksu thunar right-click and permissions hasn't changed the 'root' as owner
[14:58] <GridCube> it wasnt suppose to
[14:59] <GridCube> i told you how to change permissions not users
[14:59] <livingdaylight> GridCube: sudo chown /folder is what i DID - remember?
[14:59] <livingdaylight> aha
[14:59] <GridCube> no, you did chmod
[14:59] <livingdaylight> yes
[14:59] <GridCube> its not the same changing permision than users
[14:59] <livingdaylight> now we're getting somewhere :)
[15:00] <livingdaylight> so, how do I change user, please?
[15:00] <GridCube> man chown
[15:00] <livingdaylight> sudo chown - ?
[15:00] <GridCube> do man chown and read its man
[15:00] <holstein> i would step back for a bit, and try and see what the overall goal is
[15:01] <holstein> things are setup as they are for good reasons typically, and the permissions system is an easy way to keep things secure
[15:01] <GridCube> holstein, he wants to own the ~/.local/share/xfce4/backdrops folder
[15:01] <erkan^> Can I change theme for Xubuntu: Human/Ubuntu-theme?
[15:01] <GridCube> erkan^, if you want to
[15:01] <GridCube> i dont see why anyone would want to leave greybird tho
[15:01] <GridCube> :P
[15:02] <GridCube> erkan^, as long as it is a gtk2-3 compatible theme it should work
[15:02] <erkan^> I have download Human Theme in synpatic and installed too, but i cannot found him via Theme, GridCube
[15:03] <erkan^> oh yes i have him!
[15:04] <GridCube> erkan^, see faq 7 http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1110-oneiric/
[15:06] <erkan^> ok
[15:06] <erkan^> Yes, you can use themes for GTK and install themes directly to ~/.themes or /usr/share/themes. You can obtain more themes from various sites, like xfce-look.org.
[15:07] <GridCube> :)
[15:12] <erkan^> GridCube, bottom window is full, how make I all visible: http://picpaste.com/pics/bottom-fnPxzQs1.1348153888.png ?
[15:13] <GridCube> oh you mean not all the items are shown in the panel?
[15:14] <GridCube> thats a known bug that i think its fixed on 4.10
[15:14] <GridCube> i dont known if theres a solution for 4.8
[15:14] <erkan^> yes
[15:16] <erkan^> i have solved now ! :D
[15:16] <GridCube> how so?
[15:17] <erkan^> I did item "Window" remove, and anew add, than i see that is normal all visible, GridCube
[15:23] <erkan^> which file manager do you use, GridCube ?
[15:23] <recon_lap> a question, is there a differance between using sudo or useing su to root, other than sudo is safer?
[15:24] <recon_lap> may saying sudo is less accident prone rather that safer
[15:24] <holstein> recon_lap: the end result is the same
[15:25] <recon_lap> thx, going to make a CA and just wanted to be sure
[15:32] <GridCube> erkan^, i use thunar
[15:34] <erkan^> me too
[15:35] <GridCube> :)
[16:57] <acer_> Hello
[16:58] <GridCube> !hi | acer_
[16:59] <acer_> Can someone help me with mt wireless on my acer?
[16:59]  * ball is settling back into Xubuntu
[17:00] <GridCube> !details | acer_
[17:02] <acer_> Well i dont have so much details, I have the latest v of xubuntu but my wireless dont show up in connections
[17:02] <recon_lap> acer_: have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/internet/C/troubleshooting-wireless.html
[17:03] <recon_lap> acer_: sorry , let me find a more upto date one
[17:05] <recon_lap> acer_: this one is better https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-help/net-wireless-troubleshooting.html
[17:05] <acer_> recon_lap, Thanks!
[17:05] <recon_lap> acer_: and if you'd let us know the make and model of laptop
[17:06] <acer_> Acer travelmate 290
[17:12] <recon_lap> wow, never saw instruction for fixing a wireless card that require taping up pint on the card itself =-O
[17:12] <recon_lap> pint/pins*
[17:13] <acer_> hmm looks like its disabled..
[17:13] <recon_lap> acer_: if you could tell us the model of the wifi card that would be good.
[17:14] <acer_> a sec
[17:16] <acer_> http://pastebin.com/WrB13S7H
[17:18] <GridCube> acer_, it says "DISABLED"
[17:19] <GridCube> you need to "ENABLED" it :P
[17:19] <GridCube> see if your keyboard doesnt have a fn key to unlock wifi
[17:19] <GridCube> or see if your bios is not locking it either
[17:19] <acer_> Yeah, but I dont know how :P Key is ON
[17:20] <recon_lap> i found this, but want to look about more to see if there is a better solution http://rfswitch.sourceforge.net/?page=laptop_matrix
[17:21] <recon_lap> taping over pins 11 and 13 sounds a but caveman
[17:22] <recon_lap> but/bit*
[17:22] <acer_> I'll be back later need to reboot this.
[17:23] <acer_> I'll just take the hammer so i just need to do it once ;P
[17:34] <danwhiffin> howdy y'all
[17:35] <danwhiffin> anyone here an expert on getting nvidia drivers to work?
[17:36] <recon_lap> !details | danwhiffin
[17:37] <recon_lap> make and model of computer are useful to
[17:37] <danwhiffin> Ok, cool. I've installed the latest xubuntu on a dell inspiron n5110, using an nvidia geforce 640M
[17:37] <danwhiffin> i think that's the right card model...
[17:38] <danwhiffin> when i look at additonal drivers, it shows that there is none installed.
[17:38] <danwhiffin> when i used the nvidia panel (x server settings) I get the following error
[17:39] <danwhiffin> You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver.  Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server.
[17:39] <danwhiffin> I was wondering if there was an idiot simple way (cos im an idiot) to install the driver?
[17:40] <danwhiffin> running xubuntu 11.10
[17:40] <recon_lap> well, try "applications menu -> settings -> additional drivers"
[17:41] <danwhiffin> "no proprietary drivers on this system"
[17:41] <GridCube> danmackay, also paste the output of lspci | grep -i "vga"
[17:42] <danwhiffin> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF108 [GeForce GT 540M] (rev a1)
[17:42] <GridCube> you have two vga cards
[17:42] <GridCube> you seem to be using the intel one, that uses generic drivers to the output you are seing
[17:43] <danwhiffin> oh ok
[17:44] <GridCube> shut down your computer, change the vga cords cables to the right ones and reboot
[17:44] <GridCube> you might want to disable the integrated card from the bios aswel to avoid this sort of problems in the future
[17:44] <danwhiffin> ...okay. im on a laptop, and I haven't changed any cable.s
[17:45] <GridCube> oookay
[17:45] <GridCube> i dont know then :)
[17:46] <danwhiffin> ah
[17:46] <GridCube> b?
[17:47] <danwhiffin> I'm trying to google how to select graphics card. mentions about xorg
[17:47] <GridCube> danwhiffin, i dont know if thats posible
[17:47] <danwhiffin> hmmm
[17:48] <danwhiffin> wty for all the help bt
[17:48] <GridCube> i think that your notebook screen is atached to the intel video card
[17:48] <danwhiffin> btw
[17:48] <GridCube> and the other output is the nvidia one
[17:48] <GridCube> the external output
[17:49] <danwhiffin> im slightly lost. on  my windows install it runs off the nvidia, and i havent changed anything after installing xubuntu...7
[17:49] <danwhiffin> hardware wise
[17:50] <recon_lap> danwhiffin: there is a thing called Optima which nvidia uses to switch between VC depending on load to save batteries, it's not well supported by ubuntu yet as far as i know
[17:51] <recon_lap> danwhiffin: you ever heard of your bios ?
[17:51] <danwhiffin> yes. i know it.
[17:52] <recon_lap> danwhiffin: might be worth have a look in there to see if there are any video card options
[17:52] <danwhiffin> ok, ill have a look.
[17:52] <recon_lap> danwhiffin: I'd not change anything hastily though
[17:53] <danwhiffin> heh yeah. ok, thanks for the help. cheers
[17:53] <danwhiffin> much obliged
[18:01] <asenk> about the mouse acceleration which was discussed earlier: is it possible to just disable acceleration alltogether and map the pointer to move in 1:1 motion with only sensivity to control?
[18:04] <recon_lap> asenk: have you tried setting acceleration to 0/1 in setting manager?
[18:41] <asenk> recon_lap: best you can do is 0.1
[19:58] <Blue> accepted
[19:58] <knome> ?
[19:58] <Blue> im having trouble installing
[20:03] <holstein> Blue: a package? the operating system? this is the place to ask.. just ask :)
[20:05] <Blue> I downloaded the mirror
[20:05] <Blue> then burned it to a disk
[20:05] <Blue> and my computer cant read or run any of the files
[20:06] <holstein> Blue: you downloaded the iso? the live iso from a mirror? for the xubuntu 12.04 desktop version?
[20:06] <MrBushido> is there anything like netlimiter for linux? it's a taskmanager like app that breaks down bandwidth usage by process and allows you to limit each processes max bandwidth http://www.netlimiter.com/img/scrshots/nl2shot_limit.png
[20:07] <Blue> yes i downloaded the mirror foe 12.04
[20:07] <Blue> *for
[20:07] <holstein> Blue: you downloaded the iso?
[20:08] <holstein> you downloaded the iso from a mirror.. you have a file that is 'xubuntu.*.iso".. something like that.. ending in .iso? correct Blue ?
[20:08] <Blue> yes
[20:09] <Blue> it's the iso
[20:09] <MrBushido> what message do you get when you try to boot from your cd drive?
[20:09] <holstein> Blue: you will just boot the machine using that CD you made
[20:09] <holstein> Blue: the computer wont "read" anything from it.. its going to be a bootable image.... you'll just reboot the machine, and boot the CD instead of the hard drive
[20:09] <Blue> ok, so just re-start and on the boot up menu select the cd?
[20:09] <Blue> ok thanks!
[20:10] <holstein> Blue: correct... you might need to go into the bios for that
[20:10] <MrBushido> most bios's let you hit F8 to see a boot menu
[20:10] <holstein> each machine is different so i cant be much more specific without you taking and posting some images
[20:10] <MrBushido> you can just choose your cd drive from the list that pops up after hitting f8
[20:10] <Blue> ok thanks everyone!
[20:11] <Mathias> try the f keys :p
[20:11] <holstein> Blue: enjoy!
[20:11] <MrBushido> sooooo, anybody know a per process bandwidth monitor?
[20:12] <holstein> MrBushido: i might try the server mailing list
[20:14] <Sysi> http://linuxpoison.blogspot.fi/2010/09/monitor-bandwidth-consumption-per.html
[20:15] <holstein> Sysi: that should do the trick for MrBushido
[20:25] <MrBushido> ty
[20:29] <HeadlessZombie> my 16GB flashdrive has reached its max writes. about to install to new flash drive.  What i have: 4GB flash drive and an 8GB flash drive. The 4GB is newer and has more writes available. what install / partition scheme should I use If i wanted to use both drives to get the most storage space?
[20:30] <genii-around> You already asked that question in #ubuntu
[20:31] <HeadlessZombie> and i got ignored.
[20:32] <MrBushido> HeadlessZombie: it depends, what do you use linux for?
[20:32] <MrBushido> are you going to be downloading a lot of stuff to your home drive, then deleting and it and downloading more stuff
[20:32] <HeadlessZombie> xampp server running opencart
[20:33] <MrBushido> then you probably want to use the 16mb for / and /home and use your 4gb drive for /var/ or whever xampp does it stuff
[20:34] <HeadlessZombie> k
[20:34] <MrBushido> unless you use your xampp server to serve static files
[20:34] <HeadlessZombie> thanx
[20:34] <HeadlessZombie> no
[20:35] <genii-around> HeadlessZombie: So the machine runs headless? eg: basic server install with xampp and you just access it from a web browser elsewhere?
[20:35] <MrBushido> also consider using ext2 or another non-journaling filesystem
[20:35] <MrBushido> since it will cut down on writes per file
[20:36] <HeadlessZombie> genii-around; yes.  MrBushido; yes it's ext2
[20:36] <genii-around> ramdisks for tmp space...
[20:39] <genii-around> HeadlessZombie: So your basic install after apt-get clean is probably somewhere in the neighbourhood of 2G, I'm thinking. I'd be tempted to mirror the 4G onto the first part of the 8G and run them as a raid1, then use the second 4G of the 8G for wherever the data gets put
[20:39] <genii-around> And no swap partitions, obviously
[20:40] <HeadlessZombie> good advice
[20:57] <xubuntu581> i
[21:10] <MrBushido> is there a specific place i can find log files? trying to figure out why cairo-dock freezes up every once in a while but cant see any logs in it's whereis directories
[21:13] <Unit193> One place is /var/log/
[21:16] <MrBushido> Unit193: ty, will check
[21:25] <iToast> Hey
[21:25] <iToast> what's the minimal requrements for xubuntu
[21:27] <HeadlessZombie> 256 RAM, 4GB HD
[21:27] <HeadlessZombie> can run in 128RAM but you dont wanna use the GUI
[21:28] <HeadlessZombie> minimum install with alternate CD is 2GB
[21:29] <HeadlessZombie> really you dont want to use less than 384 RAM and 6GB hard drive
[21:30] <iToast> I have 1.5gb of ram
[21:30] <iToast> and a 120gb hdd
[21:30] <iToast> for a XBMC build.
[22:44] <Guest806> i just downloaded and installed the newest linus system, its great, but i want to disable the guest account
[22:45] <Guest806> i already tried going through the folder and editing the lightdm. file and when i tried to save a box popped up that told me the system couldnt open the file to write it
[22:45] <GridCube> see the faq 7: http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1204-precise/
[22:46] <GridCube> you need to open the file using: gksu
[22:46] <GridCube> gksu leafpad /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[22:59] <erkan^> Can I use PPA https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ppa in Xubuntu?


[00:30] <SpamapS> m_3: I think I have an 'unpromulgate' ready
[00:30] <SpamapS> m_3: and I unpromulgated hadoop-master
[00:43] <SpamapS> m_3: I'll leave hadoop-slave there for you to test.. btw https://code.launchpad.net/~clint-fewbar/charm-tools/add-unpromulgate/+merge/103965
[03:03] <koolhead17> morning all
[03:03] <koolhead17> morning/evening
[06:04] <imbrandon> SpamapS: still up ?
[07:21] <SpamapS> imbrandon: up now, sup?
[07:22] <imbrandon> new charm, first sub , wanted you to eyeball it ( not full review or nuttin )
[07:22] <imbrandon> mostly the metadat
[07:22] <imbrandon> a
[07:22] <SpamapS> Heh, I meant to review your other charms today...
[07:22] <SpamapS> got bogged down in a bazillion other things
[07:22] <imbrandon> np i got like 4 half done, i'm like ready to push all 4 if this is good
[07:22] <imbrandon> cuz they all almost the same
[07:23] <imbrandon> lol
[07:23] <imbrandon> SpamapS: should be at lp:~imbrandon/charms/precise/newrelic-php/trunk
[07:23] <SpamapS> sure just point me there
[07:24] <imbrandon>  but i tyyped from memory so
[07:24] <imbrandon> if not its close to that
[07:24] <imbrandon> very simple charm so far soo not much to checkout, but my first sub
[07:25] <imbrandon> its actually ready to prom too , as it its complete, some things i'd like to add later but fully functional now
[07:25] <imbrandon> as in*
[07:26] <SpamapS> imbrandon: metadata looks fine
[07:26] <imbrandon> cool, ok thats where i wasent sure
[07:26] <imbrandon> ok one more q
[07:26] <SpamapS> no hooks
[07:26] <SpamapS> config-changed is not executable
[07:26] <imbrandon> no hookes ?
[07:26] <imbrandon> oh
[07:26] <imbrandon> oops
[07:26] <SpamapS> website needs a hook
[07:26] <imbrandon> hrm
[07:26] <imbrandon> it would do nothing
[07:27] <SpamapS> imbrandon: this is no bueno wget -O - http://download.newrelic.com/548C16BF.gpg | apt-key add -
[07:27] <SpamapS> imbrandon: you need to embed that file in the charm
[07:27] <imbrandon> ok can do
[07:27] <imbrandon> ok fix hooks +x , add gpg file
[07:28] <imbrandon> now the website hook, if its not gonna do nuttin still need it ?
[07:28] <SpamapS> wait
[07:28] <SpamapS> does it actually *need* an HTTP server?
[07:28] <SpamapS> or does it benefit any php running on the box?
[07:28] <imbrandon> not really, it needs a php install
[07:28] <imbrandon> but there isnt really a php interface
[07:28] <SpamapS> imbrandon: change that to interface: juju-info
[07:28] <imbrandon> k
[07:29] <SpamapS> imbrandon: that is an implied 'provides' on all charms
[07:29] <imbrandon> kk, yea cuz i got other newrelic-* for other programing lang
[07:29] <imbrandon> that will follow this mold
[07:29] <imbrandon> and then there is one for just sysmon
[07:29] <imbrandon> eg no need for anything
[07:29] <imbrandon> not even prog lang
[07:30] <imbrandon> that will be newrelic-sysmon
[07:30] <imbrandon> or maybe just newrelic
[07:30] <SpamapS> imbrandon: or if you want to make it tighter, you can require interface: php5 and then go around adding a provides: php5 scope:container to all php5 based charms :)
[07:30] <imbrandon> yea thats was part of the "like to add later " list
[07:30] <imbrandon> but working now
[07:31] <SpamapS> imbrandon: and then we'll realize that we should add package info to metadata.yaml and then packages will provide scope container stuff... and then my head will explode with delight ;)
[07:31] <imbrandon> hehe
[07:31] <imbrandon> ok so if i change the juju-info no extra hook needed
[07:32] <SpamapS> right
[07:32] <imbrandon> ok so in the config-change called on install too right ?
[07:32] <SpamapS> and you can stick it on pretty much any box
[07:32] <imbrandon> right
[07:32] <imbrandon> thats what i wanted
[07:32] <SpamapS> right, all deploys do install->config-changed->start
[07:32] <imbrandon> just wasent sure how
[07:32] <imbrandon> rockin
[07:32] <imbrandon> ok
[07:32] <SpamapS> I've found more and more that config-changed is where most of the magic needs to happen
[07:32] <imbrandon> yea few small changes then this will be ready in just a few minutes
[07:32] <imbrandon> sweet
[07:33] <imbrandon> yea me too
[07:33] <imbrandon> just today i came to that realizatino
[07:33] <imbrandon> bah
[07:33] <imbrandon> not awake too many typos
[07:33] <imbrandon> need caffeine
[07:33] <SpamapS> yeah seriously you should consider something like redshift so you won't be so insomniac
[07:33] <SpamapS> bad for your heart
[07:33] <imbrandon> i slept ALL day today, as in i went to bed at 8am localtime friday morn
[07:33] <SpamapS> using redshift my sleep hours per day went up from 5 -> 7
[07:33] <imbrandon> and woke up like 2 hours ago
[07:34] <imbrandon> yea i need to do something, my sleep is like 3 hours tops
[07:34] <imbrandon> normally
[07:34] <imbrandon> like 2 or 3 times in a 24 hr peroid
[07:34] <imbrandon> but random
[07:36] <imbrandon> but i think 99% of that is the meds i take but if i dont take them other things are much worse, i hate pills , need to find another way, but been working years on it  ( since about 19yrs old on rittalin ) and not much progress
[07:36] <imbrandon> i just learn to adapt
[07:36] <imbrandon> well sorta
[07:36] <imbrandon> :)
[07:38]  * imbrandon takes strattera 30mg day ( one dose ) and Adderall ( 60mg day , 2 30mg doses )
[07:38] <imbrandon> and nothing else
[07:38] <SpamapS> yeah that stuff will mess with your internal clock for sure
[07:38] <imbrandon> does what its supse to but really screws with my sleep
[07:38] <SpamapS> if you haven't given redshift a try tho.. do.. definitely helps signal your brain that its dark outside and you need to sleep
[07:39] <imbrandon> definatly never heard of it
[07:39] <imbrandon> but will check it out
[07:39] <SpamapS> apt-get install gtk-redshift
[07:39] <imbrandon> kk
[07:39] <SpamapS> your screen will look funky at night
[07:39] <imbrandon> kinda like an rsi thing for your whole body ?
[07:39] <SpamapS> but you'll find that not shining a bright sunlight-colored monitor in your face leads to easier natural sleep
[07:39] <imbrandon> :)
[07:40] <imbrandon> dude i soooo want to put those light tubes in my house
[07:40] <SpamapS> basically shifts the color from "sun" to "campfire"
[07:40] <imbrandon> well the next place i own
[07:40] <imbrandon> ahh
[07:41] <imbrandon> i forget the real name for them but basicly a prism on the roof with a tube into any place(s) you want inside
[07:41] <SpamapS> yeah thats nice for day light
[07:41] <imbrandon> then light covers inside the ceiling to disperse so its like a real light
[07:41] <imbrandon> yea they make them with solar panels too and led's inside for night
[07:41] <imbrandon> so it works 24/7 too
[07:42] <imbrandon> and really they are cheap, likeeven initial cost on the prebuilt ones i;ve looked into is like 100$ per room/light
[07:43] <imbrandon> unless you have a mansion where you would need like 700 yards of tube or something
[07:43] <imbrandon> heh
[07:43] <SpamapS> ok well speaking of sleep.. time for me to.
[07:43] <imbrandon> but hell i already put led light bulbs in all sockets at home
[07:43] <imbrandon> so thatsd like $25 per bulb
[07:43] <imbrandon> heh night
[07:43] <imbrandon> see ya in a few hrs
[07:43] <imbrandon> err wait its sat
[07:44] <imbrandon> see ya in a few days
[07:44] <SpamapS> I want switch LED bulbs
[07:44] <imbrandon> :)
[07:44] <imbrandon> dude they rock been using them about a year now for everything
[07:44] <imbrandon> never look back
[07:44] <imbrandon> and never had to replace one yet
[07:44] <SpamapS> specifically the Switch brand
[07:44] <imbrandon> :)
[07:44] <SpamapS> http://www.switchlightingco.com/
[07:44] <imbrandon> 2.w watts per 100watts of "normal bulb" light
[07:45] <imbrandon> rocks
[07:45] <imbrandon> 2.5w*
[07:45] <SpamapS> so supposedly these will last even longer
[07:45] <imbrandon> yea
[07:45] <SpamapS> because they use a gel to disperse the light
[07:45] <imbrandon> the ones i get are like a 17year life
[07:45] <imbrandon> or something
[07:45] <SpamapS> and it happens to conduct heat better
[07:45] <SpamapS> THe Phillips ones are the next best thing
[07:45] <imbrandon> yea i think thats what i got is phillips
[07:46] <SpamapS> but these switch bulbs are, IMO, quite sexy. :)
[07:46] <imbrandon> i get them at microcenter here local
[07:46] <imbrandon> i think i'm gonna switch my blog to jeykell instead of drupal
[07:46] <imbrandon> hrm nother proj for weekend
[07:47] <SpamapS> ok sleep
[07:47] <SpamapS> enjoy
[07:47] <imbrandon> http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0383924
[07:47] <imbrandon> those ( diffrent variations they have too for diff situations )
[07:47] <imbrandon> but basicly the same
[07:48] <imbrandon> l8tr
[07:48] <imbrandon> ty for the quick review too
[07:51] <imbrandon> SpamapS: wow these look awsome ( switch bulbs ) [ goto bed if your not reading this in backscroll ]
[12:16] <imbrandon> ahhhhh HA ! i figured out why i dont like Unity, SpamapS rember when me and you a week or two ago had the chat about what/why i dont like unity and i said i couldent really name one thing blah blah blah. Also that you noted alot of the "Tech" oriented people you talked to also did not like unity.  Well I just figured out WHY I dont like it, and likely never will, for certain, maybe not but definately not 12.04 , and its possibly the same reason th
[12:21] <imbrandon> SpamapS: you +1'd the video so i know you seen it ( for context ) but the exact convo part i'm talking about is :14 min in or so, but really has nothing to do with the above, just for refrence incase you want to look at that part again
[12:24] <imbrandon> ( and maybe its just my ADD too, but still, i know WHY now )
[12:54] <m_3> SpamapS: thanks, I'll try it out this morning
[12:59] <imbrandon> heya m_3 , the link on the desc on the charms when imported to github is  the older one, no biggie as it redirects, just making sure you know/now know incase you do wanna update it ( or not )
[13:04] <m_3> imbrandon: older one?  it should point to precise now
[13:05] <imbrandon> oh i mean the older domain
[13:05] <m_3> oh, you mean the url base
[13:05] <imbrandon> sorry not jujucharms.com
[13:05] <imbrandon> yea
[13:05] <imbrandon> :)
[13:05] <imbrandon> sorry wasent clear
[13:05] <m_3> gotcha... it's an easy fix (go github api!)
[13:05] <imbrandon> like i said no biggie, just wanted to be sure you saw it
[13:05] <imbrandon> :)
[13:05] <m_3> thanks
[13:06] <imbrandon> btw whats your importer written in and would you mind sharing ? i was thinking aobut a use ( not at all juju or ubuntu ) related that that would be awesom for
[13:07] <m_3> it's github.com:mmm/gitpad
[13:07] <m_3> uses a tool called git-bzr-ng
[13:07] <imbrandon> really i'd love to just bite the bullet and write a 2 way hg/git mirror scripts
[13:08] <imbrandon> oh awesom, i use that localy ( all bzr stuff is doing via git on my local machine )
[13:08] <imbrandon> ty
[13:08] <m_3> git-bzr-ng can be pretty squirrelly... there are plenty of situations where it will fail, but I've got it set up as a one-way mirror... _not_ sync... that'd be harder
[13:08] <imbrandon> oh yea , i'm very familiar :)
[13:09] <imbrandon> like i said i use it so i can "git bzr branch blah" and such
[13:09] <imbrandon> then use git as normal
[13:09] <m_3> my github-api-based plugins are in the bin dir of that project
[13:09] <imbrandon> then git bzr push
[13:09] <m_3> right
[13:10] <m_3> imbrandon: yeah, different behavior when others are on the project and you have to pull a bunch... often crashes
[13:10] <imbrandon> sweet, yea its for some hg<-->gitub stuff anyhow , so i'd likely swap alot of it to hg-git
[13:10] <m_3> imbrandon: also if I haven't pushed in a while and there're a bunch of commits staged, then it often crashes then too
[13:10] <imbrandon> ahhh fun
[13:11] <imbrandon> doesnt it use git / bzr fast export/import internally thou
[13:11] <imbrandon> that may be another one i'm thinking aobut that i tried when loking for one
[13:11] <m_3> bzr-fastexport yes... that's been the moving target I think
[13:11] <m_3> not sure though... it's been a pet-peeve, but not enough for me to dig in and figure out what the problem really is
[13:11] <imbrandon> one was like a 150 line shell script that just did imports/export on pull/push , rest of the time it was native git
[13:12] <m_3> I'll just sit back and complain about it :)
[13:12] <m_3> oh, yeah... I saw that one
[13:12] <imbrandon> ahhahah right on
[13:12] <imbrandon> thats the one i'm using
[13:12] <imbrandon> so i may not be on -ng
[13:12] <m_3> chose the current git-bzr-ng b/c of the interface... I liked the command
[13:12] <m_3> s
[13:12] <imbrandon> ahh
[13:13] <imbrandon> yea , i think i actually use a diffrent one then, it was not native git or bzr commands but it only matters when i initially clone or push upstream
[13:13] <m_3> git bzr {clone,init,import,push} all made sense... and work from a lp remote as expected for the most part
[13:13] <imbrandon> so i choose it because the rest there was less touching from a 3rd party code
[13:13] <m_3> yup
[13:13] <imbrandon> i also use hub alot too , infact my git is aliased to hub
[13:13] <imbrandon> so that had to keep working ;)
[13:14] <m_3> well I'm interested in a good solution... if the one you use crashes less
[13:14] <m_3> I can pretty much recover from crashes, but it's still a pain
[13:14] <imbrandon> well its never crashed on it, but can be very slow on initial checkout or first push
[13:14] <imbrandon> and i mean VERY
[13:14] <m_3> right... _fast_ export... <snicker>
[13:15] <imbrandon> but i dont push it alot either, only for this charms stuff or when pressflow/drupal used launchpad for moving to github
[13:15] <imbrandon> heh
[13:15] <imbrandon> not much else i do uses bzr ( read: none )
[13:15] <imbrandon> :)
[13:16] <imbrandon> i'll make certain whitch one i'm using and shoot ya a note later today
[13:17] <m_3> imbrandon: cool thanks
[13:17] <imbrandon> hey btw if you dont mind i'm gonna add you to the jujutools org on github just for the bus rule if thats cool, not expecting anything but more trustworthy ppl with admin ( me and marcoc*eppi ) are it for now , that also know github a bit , the better imho
[13:17] <m_3> imbrandon: sure
[13:18] <imbrandon> kk
[13:18] <imbrandon> on the other side feel free to update/change too , i'm not saying you _cant_ just that its not an expectation :)
[13:19]  * imbrandon starts to remove some extra webheads from omgubuntu this morning ...
[13:21] <imbrandon> man i really wish there was a way to follow a repo and only get the commits/merges in your timeline and not all issue creation & comments
[13:21] <imbrandon> makes following like twitter bootstrap a mess
[13:21] <imbrandon> or any larger proj
[13:22] <imbrandon> but overall i do love me some github :)
[13:37]  * SpamapS wakes up.. too early
[13:38] <SpamapS> imbrandon: ok, so, tell me, why don't you like Unity?
[13:38] <m_3> morning
[13:38] <imbrandon> SpamapS: heya
[13:39] <m_3> wow... unity discussions first thing in the morning... dang
[13:39] <SpamapS> I know
[13:39] <SpamapS> should not IRC w/o coffee
[13:39] <imbrandon> SpamapS: i did, because it makes it very hard for me to operate the way i'm used to , e.g when working on webpages i have photoshop open on sscreen as well as 2 ide's chat 2 browsers
[13:39] <imbrandon> all VISABLE
[13:39] <imbrandon> not counting others
[13:39] <imbrandon> etc
[13:39] <imbrandon> etc
[13:40] <imbrandon> unity dosent like that workflow
[13:40] <imbrandon> it wants 1 task 1 app let you concentrate
[13:41] <SpamapS> imbrandon: eh, but it specifically supports splitting the screen w/ 2 apps
[13:41] <imbrandon> but yea not impossible
[13:41] <imbrandon> SpamapS: sure
[13:41] <imbrandon> but thats one thing
[13:41] <imbrandon> and gtk3 does too
[13:42] <imbrandon> ( and osx and windows )
[13:42] <SpamapS> FTR, I am a full screen type person
[13:42] <imbrandon> so thats not unity thing
[13:42] <imbrandon> yea see i'm totaly not i may have litterlyu , lets see i have 7 windows visable right now
[13:42] <imbrandon> and i dont just mean the corner of one
[13:42] <SpamapS> usually I just have browser in one fullscreen, and Terminator split 4-6 ways in the other
[13:42] <imbrandon> i mean resized and positioned
[13:42] <imbrandon> etc
[13:43] <imbrandon> right
[13:43] <imbrandon> imagine if you used every app the way you use cli apps in terminator
[13:43] <imbrandon> would not be nice in unity, possible, but not nice
[13:43] <imbrandon> thus me not being able to name it right off
[13:44] <imbrandon> but made sense when he said it
[13:45] <imbrandon> me working with alot of visual apps its the same for me as with screen split 4 to 6 ways or terminator
[13:46] <imbrandon> but one a brower for docs, one for the page working on, one for google, then irc , then ssh ( with lots of tabs/splits ) then photoshop , then an IDE
[13:46] <imbrandon> that i want to use all at once
[13:46] <imbrandon> not task swtich
[13:46] <imbrandon> then when doing something else another "set"
[13:46] <imbrandon> same with alot of geeks
[13:46] <imbrandon> thus maybe the same issue
[13:47] <imbrandon> and yea like i said , this isnt impossible in unity
[13:48] <imbrandon> just not as easy , thus irritating but not defineable from the getgo
[13:48] <imbrandon> imho
[13:49] <imbrandon> and yea i use that split screen at the edge thing contantly in OSX too, infact in osx i can set it to hotkeys so cmd+right arrow is right half , left is left half and then up and down down does quarters if its halved already
[13:50] <imbrandon> :)\
[13:52] <imbrandon> anyhow, wth you doing on , on a saturday :)
[13:52] <imbrandon> lol j/k
[13:54] <SpamapS> just woke up suddenly
[13:55] <m_3> and naturally decided to attach to irssi...
[13:55] <m_3> :)
[13:56] <imbrandon> :)
[13:56] <m_3> SpamapS: when's your actual due date?
[13:58] <m_3> imbrandon: yeah, I pretty much do apps fullscreen... do miss my multiple monitors when I'm on the road though
[13:59] <SpamapS> m_3: June 5
[13:59] <m_3> usually use multiple desktops to task switch
[13:59] <m_3> SpamapS: ah, cool
[13:59] <imbrandon> see thats just it tho i'm not task switching , well not to me
[14:00] <imbrandon> just a diffrent tool for another part of the task
[14:00] <imbrandon> and yea, i lub multi heads
[14:00] <SpamapS> I attached to irssi and sup.. the never ending stream of email... so ... tired..of..deleting..
[14:00] <m_3> omg, I'd get nothing done if my tmux session with irssi's wasn't on it's own desktop
[14:00] <imbrandon> every computer i tuch must have them :)
[14:00] <imbrandon> lol
[14:00] <m_3> imbrandon: ha!
[14:01] <imbrandon> m_3 for realz, i even bought a thunderbolt to 3x dvi adapter for my laptop
[14:01] <m_3> SpamapS: I've thought of switching over to sup... but the single stream would kill me
[14:01] <imbrandon> :)
[14:02] <m_3> I found a way to do a pane of folders along the side of mutt and that works pretty well
[14:03] <m_3> imbrandon: yeah, having to use unity-2d with nvidia xinerama, but that ends up working pretty nicely
[14:03] <imbrandon> and when on the road, as in not just going to the officee where i have 2 more monitors setup, but road road, like uds, i have my ipad that has a 1024x768 driver for extra screen over wifi ( slow but useable ) and a 16.5 inch usb driven display that slides in the laptopbag perfect and has a foldout stand when in use
[14:03] <SpamapS> m_3: the single stream is all that keeps me sane
[14:03] <imbrandon> :)
[14:03] <m_3> (still want my command key back to ctrl though)
[14:03] <imbrandon> heh
[14:03] <SpamapS> folders mean I get hundreds of messages behind on a topic, and have to just let it go
[14:04] <m_3> that's hard muscle memory to break... command-c, command-v, etc
[14:04] <m_3> SpamapS: ha!... well... yes
[14:04] <m_3> :)
[14:04] <SpamapS> the single stream.. I at least just know I'm hundreds of messages behind *all* messages
[14:04] <imbrandon> m_3: tell me about it
[14:04] <imbrandon> i STILL hit cmd v and wonder why it dident paste
[14:04] <SpamapS> m_3: I tag by list-id, so I do sometimes just search for a list tag and power through all the messages in that one context
[14:04] <imbrandon> goto recopy
[14:04] <imbrandon> and repaste
[14:04] <SpamapS> m_3: also remember its a stream of threads, not messages
[14:04] <imbrandon> and THEN figure out it was the wrong key
[14:04] <imbrandon> lol
[14:05] <SpamapS> imbrandon: I swap alt and cmd .. makes a lot more sense
[14:05] <m_3> SpamapS: right, I figured you had some set up to skip inbox... you'd have to segment accounts or verp extensions or something
[14:05] <SpamapS> imbrandon: but yeah, cmd-v still popped out for a few months :-P
[14:05] <imbrandon> SpamapS: my thumb can hit cmd easy, not ctl or alt
[14:05] <SpamapS> m_3: no, it still goes in inbox!
[14:05] <SpamapS> all goes to inbox
[14:05] <m_3> wow
[14:06] <SpamapS> if its not worthy of my 0.5s of review time, it gets unsubscribed
[14:06] <imbrandon> no way, i get way too much mail for that
[14:06] <m_3> linkedin groups, google groups, wow
[14:06] <m_3> oh, I see
[14:06] <SpamapS> otherwise why do I have it?
[14:06] <imbrandon> ah
[14:06] <imbrandon> i use mine as an archive of sorts, but i see your point its not a good one
[14:07] <imbrandon> better to just not try and use as inteneded and then get used to other tools that are made for job
[14:07] <m_3> gmail filters were so easy to create... made me promiscuous with groups
[14:07] <imbrandon> but man, thats a bigger switch than unity, maybe in 16.04 for me :)
[14:07] <m_3> ha!
[14:08] <imbrandon> m_3: hahaha yea
[14:08] <m_3> yeah, agree
[14:08] <imbrandon> all my mail goes to a google domains accoutn address
[14:08] <imbrandon> from all addresses i own
[14:08] <imbrandon> so filters + lables + 25gb == love
[14:08] <m_3> I do separate quite a bit using verp extensions<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:09] <imbrandon> i really only use that for stuff i know will be automated , like cron email or from a webapp
[14:09] <imbrandon> etc
[14:09] <m_3> yup
[14:10] <m_3> newrelic
[14:10] <imbrandon> hehe
[14:10] <SpamapS> I don't really like having static filters
[14:10] <m_3> things like that :)
[14:10] <SpamapS> I kill threads rapidly
[14:10] <SpamapS> but I'd rather read the first message or the subject line and decide for myself
[14:10] <SpamapS> see, cron email from a webapp == a shitty webapp
[14:11] <SpamapS> don't cron me crap I don't *need* to know
[14:11] <SpamapS> log it.. and email me when shit breaks
[14:11] <imbrandon> see i scan subjest only unless its a thread thats new with 1000 replies then i see if its really good or flaimbait
[14:11] <m_3> I'm really slow at it... need to spend less time more often, but it usually sucks up time... oooh, shiny thing
[14:12] <imbrandon> SpamapS: well like i said , i use it like an archive, so i can tell anytime my domain was unreachable from japan in 2009 by seartching email
[14:12] <imbrandon> not the best way to kkep that info
[14:12] <imbrandon> but a big switch not to
[14:13] <SpamapS> yeah I used to do crap like that too
[14:13] <imbrandon> also stuff that mailman list archives are just as good for etc
[14:13] <SpamapS> and maybe gmail makes that better
[14:13] <SpamapS> IMAP was always a huge fail for that
[14:13] <imbrandon> its too easy to find all in one place
[14:13] <imbrandon> oh man, gmail search changed my life
[14:13] <imbrandon> for real
[14:13] <SpamapS> yeah thats why sup is good
[14:14] <imbrandon> its what makes keeping every email i ever got ( except blatent spam ) since 1997 , worth it
[14:14] <imbrandon> and in my active account not archived
[14:14] <m_3> sometimes, it's almost passive agressive... oh, I _won't_ clean out my spam tags... serves you right for changing privacy policies!!
[14:15] <imbrandon> heh
[14:15] <SpamapS> m_3: they just use that as more datapoints.. their hard drive supply is *endless*
[14:15] <m_3> toyed with gmailfs for a bit, but then thought better of it :)
[14:16] <SpamapS> they figured out a way to turn every byte stored into more profit
[14:16] <imbrandon> hehe yea
[14:16] <m_3> ha!  yes, excellent point
[14:16] <imbrandon> google drive
[14:16] <SpamapS> diminishing returns, sure, but they really do have an incentive to give everyone GB's of mail storage for free
[14:16] <m_3> sure
[14:17] <SpamapS> imbrandon: btw, did you see the question about the brew install hit the juju ml?
[14:17] <imbrandon> see i dont care though, i should , but i dont, i like the grey area i know google isnt not evil but i'm not gonna go all RMS on em either, they provide me with real value in their services in exchange for a lil provacy that i'm not unwilling to give up, that dont mean i want it all gone
[14:17]  * m_3 'll have to find some new way to rage against the machine
[14:17] <imbrandon> heh
[14:17] <imbrandon> oh no
[14:17]  * imbrandon looks now
[14:23] <imbrandon> ahh yea
[14:23] <imbrandon> i seen that from some one else
[14:23] <imbrandon> i'm getting ready to push a new version that clears that and a few other things up
[14:23] <imbrandon> SpamapS: ^^
[14:24] <imbrandon> ( was in the github issue queue a few hours ago )
[14:24] <imbrandon> i really need to fund a way to let some ci tests run on the commits
[14:25] <imbrandon> not real easy to setup a osx ci server heh, well not cheap anyhow
[14:31] <SpamapS> imbrandon: an old used mini would do the trick :)
[14:33] <m_3> there're actually a few different versions floating around still though... not everybody's up on lion
[14:33] <m_3> does virtualbox run osx on osx hardware?
[14:34] <m_3> or vmware fusion, I guess
[14:36] <imbrandon> SpamapS: ahhh good call
[14:36] <imbrandon> m_3: yea
[14:36] <SpamapS> m_3: certainly Snow Leopard would be the oldest we care about
[14:36] <imbrandon> m_3: 10.7 and 10.8 will "legitly" run in fusion
[14:37] <imbrandon> SpamapS: apple only supports 2 releases, current and one prior, and umm if you dont upgreade your screwed in alot of ways unlike alot of other vendors "unsupported"
[14:38] <imbrandon> so only 10.7 and 10.8 once release is ok, 10.6 still for now tho
[14:40] <imbrandon> apples unsupported is actually actively tried to be broken imho, and at very least actively made not to work even if just arbitrarily with other apple services and hardware, like try to use a 10.4 itunes install with your iphone
[14:40] <imbrandon> heh
[14:40] <imbrandon> good luck
[14:41] <imbrandon> but yea i can setup a VM of 10.7 and then install jenkins ( yea it runs great on osx too ) and snapshot it right away
[14:42] <imbrandon> and revert to that snapshot before every set of tests etc
[14:42] <m_3> wife from airport... talk to y'all later
[14:42] <imbrandon> but i was thinking more of a way the public / other contribs could also use it
[14:42] <SpamapS> imbrandon: I'd be interested in hearing whether or not juju's unit tests pass entirely on os x
[14:43] <imbrandon> howto run them ? i'll do it now
[14:43] <imbrandon> or start it now
[14:43] <SpamapS> ./test
[14:43] <imbrandon> kk
[14:43] <imbrandon> any other req that juju its self dont have ? like phpunit
[14:43] <imbrandon> or something :)
[14:46] <imbrandon> bholtsclaw@ares:~/Projects/local/juju/misc/juju_0.5+bzr531.orig$ ./test
[14:46] <imbrandon> Traceback (most recent call last):
[14:46] <imbrandon>   File "./test", line 5, in <module>
[14:46] <imbrandon>     from twisted.scripts.trial import run
[14:46] <imbrandon> ImportError: No module named twisted.scripts.trial
[14:47] <imbrandon> twisted is the version that came with osx
[15:01] <SpamapS> imbrandon: interesting
[15:02] <imbrandon> SpamapS: when using like juju ssh ... or juju blah ... can you tell it what remote user you want to use or login as ? like in a config hopefully and i'm sure said user needs sudo w/ nopasswd access correct ?
[15:03] <imbrandon> like i want it to use bholtsclaw, not ubuntu , etc
[15:07] <SpamapS> imbrandon: no
[15:07] <SpamapS> it always uses ubuntu
[15:07] <imbrandon> m_3: and yea vbox, vmware, parallels ( no windows version, and the linux version is $$ and closed src so not many know about it ) , and a really old un-supported by ms anymore version of VirtualPC and only upto like OS X 10.4, all run great on osx, with any guest OS you want, win/bsd/darwin/linux EXCEPT OSX, and only due to how it was licensed before, but the license changed with 10.7 and beoynd that allows it to run on virtual hardware legally, a
[15:08] <SpamapS> imbrandon: any luck running it on kvm?
[15:08] <SpamapS> I looked into it, and it looks pretty hopeless
[15:08] <imbrandon> SpamapS: ugh , thats bytes /me contemplates patching juju or doing alot of scripting to rid login as a non existant user name ubuntu and then switch to the real one
[15:09] <SpamapS>     args.extend(["ubuntu@%s" % ip_address])
[15:09] <imbrandon> SpamapS: no, but never really tried, i know it will run on kqemu
[15:09] <imbrandon> but SLOW
[15:09] <SpamapS> imbrandon: Just needs some argparse love
[15:09] <imbrandon> sweet
[15:10] <SpamapS> I kind of want it to work different
[15:10] <imbrandon> SpamapS: but you need to have kqemu pretend its an intell too
[15:10] <imbrandon> intel*
[15:10] <SpamapS> I'd rather have ssh -l spamaps `juju get-unit-info mysql/1 public-address`
[15:10] <imbrandon> because even with vmware and the others you still cant run osx on amd
[15:10] <imbrandon> or non intel
[15:11] <imbrandon> no idea how the hell intel brokered that deal
[15:11] <imbrandon> but its a killer for them :)
[15:11] <SpamapS> meh, nobody likes AMD anymore
[15:11] <SpamapS> I was a huge fan for years
[15:11] <SpamapS> but Intel seems to be crushing them again
[15:11] <SpamapS> once they let go of Itanic
[15:11] <imbrandon> oh and arbitrary too, its been patched out as its only a check and a single check on boot
[15:11] <imbrandon> but still there none the less
[15:11] <imbrandon> yea
[15:12] <imbrandon> i was a huge amd fan while they was good for the cpu vs cost
[15:12] <imbrandon> but that was gona aroudn the time the c2d came out
[15:12] <imbrandon> done*
[15:12] <imbrandon> and not regained
[15:12] <imbrandon> and not i dont care anymore
[15:12] <imbrandon> lol
[15:12] <imbrandon> now*
[15:13] <imbrandon> core 2 duo 's c2d
[15:14] <imbrandon> they are still making bank tho , learned a trick from MS and are licensing x86_64 stuff to intel
[15:14] <imbrandon> as they have all the goodies on that one, but as soon as intel can make a real 64 only platform work like the titanic should ahve been
[15:15] <imbrandon> then they can drop that but AMD has some extra pocket cash to build new fabs until then :)
[15:16] <imbrandon> heh i do wonder why debians debs still say amd64 tho and not more generic even tho it really is amd tech
[15:21] <imbrandon> SpamapS: how much of a pain is it to add more juju * commands that run with the credentials etc , is it as easy as adding git commands and just make a juju-blah wrapper for juju blah .... ?
[15:21] <imbrandon> i ask cuz i want juju rsync *
[15:21] <marcoceppi> imbrandon: there's already a juju scp
[15:21] <imbrandon> but not willing to spend much time on it, as i can just get the info needed and do it otjher ways
[15:22] <imbrandon> scp is not good for large files that may die mid copy or whole dirs that need to be syncs
[15:22] <imbrandon> with 1000's files
[15:22] <SpamapS> imbrandon: so, juju-jitsu (which you should package for OS X btw ;) adds commands if you run 'jitsu wrap-juju'
[15:22] <SpamapS> imbrandon: but the juju team is concerned about confusing users so they don't like the idea of cli plugins
[15:23] <SpamapS> imbrandon: you can add as many commands as you want to jitsu :)
[15:23] <imbrandon> sweet, yea i was gonna package it but i couldent find even a help file or how to use it, i installed it then was like ummmmmmm now what
[15:23] <imbrandon> lol
[15:23] <SpamapS> reminds me, I forgot to upload 0.6 to the PPA
[15:23] <imbrandon> not even sure what exactly it is fully
[15:24] <imbrandon> but yea charmrunner charm-tools and now juju-jitsu are on the .plan to do real soon now ( hopefully before uds )
[15:24] <SpamapS> imbrandon: https://launchpad.net/juju-jitsu .. just add-ons that don't belong in juju core
[15:24] <imbrandon> ahh
[15:25] <SpamapS> I think we might fold charmrunner into it
[15:26] <imbrandon> SpamapS: ophhhhhh why does python settings.py install NOT install the bash competition file ? shame
[15:26] <SpamapS> just to consolidate things
[15:26] <imbrandon> SpamapS: rockin then i'll hold off on it to last
[15:26] <imbrandon> charmrunner that is
[15:26] <SpamapS> imbrandon: because it wouldn't know where to put it?
[15:26] <SpamapS> kinda like me in 10th grade..
[15:27] <imbrandon> SpamapS: bash is bash , whatabout the users homedir ?
[15:27] <imbrandon> even on windows bash looks for things in the same places
[15:27] <SpamapS> completion has to be sourced
[15:27] <imbrandon> sure check for a .... ok ok i see wanted to be simple
[15:27] <imbrandon> and let the packager do it
[15:27] <imbrandon> np
[15:27] <imbrandon> i was just mad when it dident
[15:27] <imbrandon> :)
[15:27] <SpamapS> OS X probably puts it somewhere different
[15:28] <imbrandon> nope
[15:28] <imbrandon> same spot, bash is bash, osx is actually certific unix3
[15:28] <imbrandon> same fsh
[15:28] <imbrandon> certified UNIX 3
[15:28] <imbrandon> bleh
[15:29] <imbrandon> now bash 4 , thats some sexy, and in brew
[15:29] <imbrandon> ohhhhhhhh and your gonna fskin kill me for this one
[15:29] <imbrandon> brew is ported and works good on Linux, thinking about packing it
[15:29] <imbrandon> :)
[15:29] <imbrandon> then ppl can compile their own crack
[15:30]  * imbrandon would hide under a rock
[15:33] <SpamapS> and I'm out
[15:33] <imbrandon> l8tr
[15:34] <imbrandon> marcoceppi: btw i'm working on taking 1 or 2 of the servers offline
[15:34] <marcoceppi> imbrandon: I'm about to leave for the afternoon: http://www.meetup.com/stackoverflow/DHS-MD/653302/
[15:34] <imbrandon> and getting an upgrade polished up that encapsulates our recient changes
[15:34] <imbrandon> okies
[15:35] <imbrandon> sweet
[15:35] <imbrandon> but yea just fyi incase
[15:35] <imbrandon> gonna see if we can get down to 3 without issues
[15:35] <imbrandon> 1 db and the 2 webhead
[15:36] <imbrandon> cuz still more traffic than normal but alot less than yesterday
[15:36] <imbrandon> marcoceppi: have fun, ttyl :) i wont do nothing crazy or that i might need help with since most ppl that could help me are afk today
[15:37]  * imbrandon puts the cowboy hat away and will stick to nginx configs, php code  or simple juju tasks, and only the latter on OMG :)
[15:38] <imbrandon> marcoceppi: oh holly crap , i just notices thats a world wide thing
[15:39] <imbrandon> congrats
[15:39] <imbrandon> :)
[15:53] <bobweaver> hello I would like to learn how puppet and juju can be brought together. Like puppet scripts into juju charms ? is that possible ?
[15:53] <bobweaver> any links would be great thanks for your time.
[19:06] <nyr0x> hey, i'm running juju on a ubuntu orchestra server (12.04) to deploy a locale environment. is there a way to reintegrate a compute node that has crashed? for example i have only 1 node wich is running a mysql db deployed by juju, now i just shut down the node and reboot via pxe and cobbler reinstall the wohle system. if i now execute 'juju --verbose status', i get 'ERROR SSH forwarding error' 'ZOO_INFO@zookeeper_init@727: Initiating client connection,
[19:06] <nyr0x> 2012-04-28 21:05:23,287:7295(0x7fe393df3700):ZOO_ERROR@handle_socket_error_msg@1579: Socket [<IP_ADDRESS>:46972] zk retcode=-4, errno=111(Connection refused): server refused to accept the client
[19:06] <nyr0x> '
[19:07] <nyr0x> any body knows how to fix this?
[19:24] <imbrandon> not certain but you could try "juju destroy-environment && juju bootstrap"
[19:26] <nyr0x> tried it, doesn't help
[19:28] <imbrandon> dosen't help isnt very useful, and if it dident bootstrap correctly you';d get the status error from above, but if thats the case you most certainly got a diffrent error
[19:28] <imbrandon> mind sharing that one >
[19:28] <imbrandon> ?
[19:31] <imbrandon> afk
[19:31] <nyr0x> imbrandon: the boot strap is successful, but the error stays the same.
[19:32] <imbrandon> i'll be back ina few , but that means the ssh pub keys were not copied from the environments.yaml file to the zk server then
[19:32] <imbrandon> it seem
[19:32] <imbrandon> gotta run, but yea check that authorized keys is correct in the env.y
[19:33] <nyr0x> thx