[18:07] <ephemer> hello good people. currently having some issues with nvidia / vlc / vdpau. more precisely, when i'm playing a movie (mkv) and skipping through it, vlc freezes. EACH TIME! i'm currently in 16.04.3 & nvidia-390. do you guys suggest anything i could try ?
[18:07] <doublehp> is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ broken ATM ? when I try to reach https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libtasn1-6/+filebug/4ffd812c-02c3-11e8-9dd0-d485646cd9a4? after auth, I am said " Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad. We’ve recorded what happened, and we’ll fix it as soon as possible. Apologies for the inconvenience. (Error ID: OOPS-f4e90e393c993b8fbe9f8c763fdf35f0) "
[18:07] <ephemer> inb4, disabling hw decoding from vlc has no effect
[18:08] <gt8ost4l> troubled last time i checked freedsb is commandline
[18:09] <troubled> gt8ost4l: do you know what a Dell iDRAC is?
[18:10] <gt8ost4l> troubled its hard talking here pm me
[18:10] <ikonia> why is it hard talking here
[18:10] <ikonia> if you chat in open people can contribute and keep you safe
[18:10] <troubled> ^^^
[18:11] <gt8ost4l> its cluttered people coming in and out
[18:11] <ikonia> you can remove joins / parts from the screen
[18:11] <gt8ost4l> i have a hard time to think
[18:11] <troubled> anyway, anyone that actually knows what a iDRAC and vFlash are, have any insight?
[18:12] <ikonia> troubled: I use the IDrac from dell
[18:13] <troubled> ikonia: do you have vFlash? and have you had any luck uploading isos to it? I've never been able to get most os's other than MS or memsticks to upload
[18:13] <gt8ost4l> troubled:what was the default os installed?
[18:13] <funabashi> hey guyys how can i monitor every command a user on my server type?
[18:13] <ikonia> troubled: I have used it, you may want to use the ##hardware channel, as it's a bit out of scope for #ubuntu
[18:13] <ikonia> funabashi: shell history files
[18:14] <funabashi> ok if he do history -c ?
[18:14] <ikonia> funabashi: ?
[18:14] <troubled> ikonia: to put it more into scope: do you have any idea if there are "memstick" or "usb" compatible images to install from?
[18:14] <ikonia> troubled: as in ubuntu images ?
[18:15] <troubled> ikonia: yes. i've had success with such images, so I suspect the vflash upload is checking the file type and being too strict. but hoping to avoid remastering the iso
[18:15] <troubled> (an entire day better spent installing os heh)
[18:16] <ikonia> troubled: so I've used older ubuntu images on it I've not tried with current 17 and maybe 16 images, but earlier ones worked just fine
[18:16] <doublehp> how do I login in https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security-proposed/ ?
[18:16] <ikonia> doublehp: you don't
[18:16] <ikonia> doublehp: launchpad.net is a website, that is just a repo
[18:16] <doublehp> ikonia: I am asked to loging to interact with my bugreport https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libtasn1-6/+filebug/4ffd812c-02c3-11e8-9dd0-d485646cd9a4?
[18:17] <troubled> ikonia: meh, probably easier to just use virtual cd and mount the image, but man what pita. almost bug report worthy, but tbh, it sounds like its really dell being anal wrt file mime detection
[18:17] <ikonia> doublehp: so you need a launchpad account
[18:17] <doublehp> ikonia: so how do I login ?
[18:17] <ikonia> troubled: I've not seen that problem, it's worked fine for me
[18:17] <ikonia> doublehp: you need a laundhpad account that you can register for on launchpad.net
[18:18] <troubled> ikonia: you actually uploaded an iso to it? or just booted virtual media you had locally attached? cause that works fine for me
[18:18] <ikonia> troubled: the earlier versions, uploaded
[18:18] <doublehp> ikonia: I have creted two accounts, and always get "           Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad.                             We’ve recorded what happened,           and we’ll fix it as soon as possible.           Apologies for the inconvenience.                             (Error ID:           OOPS-c91273204ab279aef4c6ef62ea214d86)         "
[18:18] <doublehp> on both
[18:18] <ikonia> doublehp: just logged in fine
[18:19] <troubled> ikonia: well thanks for the insight
[18:19] <doublehp> ikonia: how ?
[18:19] <ikonia> doublehp: I typed in my username and password into the login box
[18:19] <doublehp> ikonia: can I interact with my bugreport without logging in ?
[18:20] <ikonia> doublehp: you can't
[18:21] <doublehp> ikonia: I have tried two accounts, on Firefox using IPv6 and Chrome using IPv4 ... this bug report is critical
[18:21] <doublehp> there is a critical bug in a security update; the security update must be patched ASAP
[18:21] <doublehp> and it's automatically installed
[18:22] <ikonia> I've just created a new account, and that worked too
[18:22] <ikonia> I guess I have to figure out how to delete that account as it's a wate
[18:22] <ikonia> waste
[18:22] <sadako> I keep getting an error like [some source] "does not have a release file".  I even get it when doing do-release-upgrade
[18:23] <doublehp> ikonia: wait, can you give me access to your account ?
[18:23] <ikonia> doublehp: no
[18:23] <doublehp> ikonia: can you update the bug report for me ?
[18:23] <gt8ost4l> does anybody know whats in the mozilla folder?
[18:24] <ikonia> doublehp: sorry, no
[18:24] <ikonia> doublehp: see if you can login via https://community.ubuntu.com/
[18:25] <doublehp> so, a security update automatically installed, is going to break thouthands of machines, bugs prevent me from reporting it, and, that's it ?
[18:25] <ikonia> whats it ?
[18:25] <doublehp> I had not tried Ubuntu since 11 years, I think I need to return to Debian ...
[18:25] <ikonia> ok
[18:26] <ephemer> hey, guyz, where does 16.04 stores its Xorg.conf file ?
[18:26] <ephemer> by default
[18:26] <ikonia> ephemer: doesn't create one by default
[18:26] <ephemer> hmmm
[18:26] <ikonia> ephemer: it's dynamic now, you can create one if you want
[18:26] <ephemer> when .. where does nvidia setting saves the config ?
[18:26] <ikonia> ephemer: where you tell it to, but the default is the xorg config file
[18:27] <ephemer> which is .. where? :P
[18:27] <ikonia> ephemer: you create it
[18:27] <ephemer> ah
[18:27] <ephemer> :P
[18:27] <oerheks> sadako, are you on zesty 17.04?
[18:28] <doublehp> ikonia: yes, I was able to login the community site, but, still have the problem in launchpad
[18:28] <ikonia> doublehp: if you've logged in via the communicty site, the session in that browser will allow you to use launchpad
[18:28] <ikonia> doublehp: it's the same SSO
[18:29] <sadako> Yes, oerheks
[18:29] <oerheks> sadako, ah, then upgrade, 17.04 is dead, EOL
[18:29] <oerheks> !eolupgrade
[18:29] <sadako> Er I'm trying to upgrade. is sudo do-release-upgrade not correct?
[18:30] <doublehp> ikonia: no, and no, and I can proove it. While registering in the community, I have updated my "full name" from "Demaine" into "Demaine Benoit"; and when I am asked to share my full name, launchpad is still using "demaine"
[18:30] <oerheks> sadako, yes, after you install update-manager-core update-manager ..
[18:30] <ikonia> doublehp: if it's showing your name in launchpad - you are logged in
[18:30] <ikonia> it can only show your name after the login
[18:31] <sadako> I also tried using the software updator, but it fails to reach the server or something
[18:32] <sadako> hm okay
[18:32] <oerheks> sadako, follow the eolupgrade wiki, old-release etc
[18:33] <doublehp> ikonia: I start again. I have auth correctly into the community. When I try to go on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libtasn1-6/+filebug/4ffd812c-02c3-11e8-9dd0-d485646cd9a4? , the first page I see (after some automatic redirection to https://login.launchpad.net/FooBar/+decide ) asks me if I accept to share some personnal data "full name" and "email adress" ; I click on "yes log me in", and then, I got the error.
[18:33] <sadako> Yeah I'll do that.
[18:34] <doublehp> on that  https://login.launchpad.net/FooBar/+decide page the top right bar says "Demaine My Account | Lgout" , so, yes i am logged in Ubuntu1, but, sharing personnal details bug, and prevent me reaching my bug report
[18:34] <ikonia> doublehp: can you login from "login.ubuntu.com"
[18:34] <irated> ON ubuntu 17.10 I can't switch audio outs. It keeps switching back to built-in
[18:34] <irated> Is there away to manually switch this via cli?
[18:35] <irated> Or see why its switching back
[18:35] <oerheks> doublehp, if you marked it as security, i guess it is normal.
[18:35] <doublehp> ikonia: when i visit your link, it immediately says I am in
[18:35] <ikonia> doublehp: intersting
[18:35] <doublehp> oerheks: I did not mark anything yet; I have just run ubuntu-bug, and press S ...
[18:35] <oerheks> ikonia, or should one see his own security bug reports?
[18:36] <ikonia> oerheks: you should be able to see your own comments/bugs
[18:36] <ikonia> doublehp: looks like you may need to engage canonical support for launchpad
[18:36] <doublehp> which is ? where ?
[18:37] <akik> irated: you can switch outputs with pacmd, e.g. pacmd set-card-profile 0
[18:37] <akik> irated: pacmd set-card-profile 0 output:analog-stereo+input:analog-stereo
[18:37] <ikonia> doublehp: try #launchpad channel for starters
[18:38] <akik> irated: you can get the different outputs with: pacmd list-cards (look for profiles)
[18:38] <doublehp> ubuntu is still as bad as I was said 12y ago
[18:38] <BillD73> how long does it normally take to get a PGP key made available to launchpad?
[18:38] <ikonia> doublehp: you already said that
[18:40] <doublehp> now, how do I disable automatic security updates ? they seem to be in cron.daily, but I don't understand if it's done by apt, aptitude or dpkg
[18:40] <BillD73> irated: when I built my ubuntu tower I disabled the onboard audio in the gigabyte bios
[18:40] <ikonia> doublehp: disable the repo ?
[18:40] <ikonia> doublehp: pin the package you're worried about ?
[18:41] <doublehp> no; i don't want any further breakage; so, I want to disable them completely, forever
[18:41] <ikonia> doublehp: so diable the repo then
[18:41] <BillD73> or better question how do I verify my key is registered with the ubuntu keyring server?
[18:41] <doublehp> even if I pin the package of the day, tomorow, an other package may break my system again
[18:41] <ikonia> disable the repo then
[18:43] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticSecurityUpdates edit  /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic and change to 0: APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "0";
[18:47] <cpined> hello, I have a weird SSH issue.  I have port 22 and 443 open on my router.  Both ports are listening on Ubuntu, I am able to ssh to both ports using my public ip address from inside my home network.  I can only access port 22 from outside my network.  Does SSH 443 require more settings?
[18:48] <ikonia> you don't ssh to port 443
[18:48] <ikonia> thats for SSL on a web server
[18:49] <cpined> @ikonia, somehow I was able to get that working on cygwin so I thought I should also work on Ubuntu.
[18:49] <ikonia> ssh won't listen on 443 unless you configure it to
[18:49] <jimb_> You can alter the /etc/ssh/sshd_config to run on ports other than 22. Your ISP may be blocking 443 from outside traffic though as they may not want people running web servers
[18:50] <cpined> @jimb, ok I'll give it a shot.
[18:51] <xdb> boze debilskog servera
[18:52] <s10gopal> battery drain when laptop is off https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe/+bug/1745646
[18:52] <ikonia> and ?
[18:53] <res22> hey, i have upgrade ubuntu from 16.10 to 17.10 but in my terminal stay "root@Ubuntu-1610-yakkety-64-minimal:"
[18:53] <ikonia> res22: uname -n
[18:54] <res22> uname -a Linux Ubuntu-1610-yakkety-64-minimal 4.13.0-32-generic #35-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jan 25 09:13:46 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[18:54] <ikonia> there you go
[18:54] <ikonia> that's your hostname
[18:54] <root> hi
[18:54] <res22> but lsb_release -a No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID: Ubuntu Description:    Ubuntu 17.10 Release:        17.10 Codename:       artful
[18:54] <ikonia> res22: yes ?
[18:55] <oerheks> res22, what gives: hostnamectl status
[18:55] <ikonia> PS1 is your hostname
[18:55] <ikonia> your hostname is what you are seeing, the prompt is correct
[18:56] <Guest44165> where are you from
[18:56] <res22> hostnamectl status    Static hostname: Ubuntu-1610-yakkety-64-minimal          Icon name: computer-vm            Chassis: vm         Machine ID: xxx            Boot ID: xxx     Virtualization: kvm   Operating System: Ubuntu 17.10             Kernel: Linux 4.13.0-32-generic       Architecture: x86-64
[18:56] <Guest44165> where are you from
[18:57] <res22> me?
[18:57] <oerheks> Guest44165, this is international ubuntu support :-)
[18:57] <Guest44165> everyone
[18:57] <jimb_> I was assembled in various cities over the course of months.
[18:58] <oerheks> res22,  if you want to change that, follow !hostname
[18:58] <oerheks> !hostname
[18:58] <res22> i will try thanks
[19:04] <res22> i have changes with "sudo hostname your-new-name" to "@Ubuntu-1710-artful-64" it works, thanks
[19:08] <s10gopal> battery drain when laptop is off https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe/+bug/1745646
[19:09] <tomreyn> s10gopal: repeatedly posting this here serves no purpose. please stop.
[19:12] <sadako> https://pastebin.mozilla.org/9076736 after following the instructions on the EOLUpgrade wiki page
[19:14] <res22> ubottu: in /etc/hosts i have changed too, thanks
[19:15] <oerheks> sadako, how does your /etc/apt/sources.list look like?
[19:16] <tomreyn> sadako: i wont be able to help since i must leave now, but i suggest you make the output of "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-cache policy; lsb_release -ds" available here via !pastebin
[19:17] <tomreyn> !paste | sadako
[19:18] <sadako> eh hang on let me get on irc on that computer
[19:20] <texla> I have two versions of Ubuntu...14.04 on sda4 and 16.04 on sda1...14.04 has the controlling grub bootloader...As I wish to delete 14.04 how do I get 16.04 to be the controlling boot loader
[19:20] <sadtaco-remote> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26466099/
[19:21] <sadtaco-remote> That is my sources.list
[19:22] <res22> mh after a reboot i get the old hostname
[19:25] <xpoliceman> bonsoir,j'ai un souci mon serveur apache2 sur ubuntu n'arrive pas à afficher les images comment dois je faire?merci pour votre comprehension
[19:25] <doublehp> ikonia: from #launchpad : (20:23:27) cjwatson: doublehp: fixed now, sorry about that.  you ran into https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1607242 due to an old comment from your email address that we imported from another bug tracker.
[19:25] <akik> !fr
[19:26] <doublehp> xpoliceman: essaye #ubuntu-fr , sinon, il y a des webforums en français
[19:27] <yeats> res22: do 'cat /etc/hosts' and 'cat /etc/hostname', remove anything from the results that you don't want the world to see, then paste both here and share the link: https://paste.ubuntu.com/
[19:27] <usuario4> facebook
[19:28] <res22> yeats: i forgot the /etc/hostname now it works, thanks
[19:29] <sadtaco-remote> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26466150/ output of "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-cache policy; lsb_release -ds"
[19:29] <eks> Hi community, I am traying to install or at least to desinstall completle webhttrack please see image belo and let me know how to work on this please.. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1s5L3ZYO3CLJP5W5dUI3exxWIPGJ77D1W/view?usp=sharing
[19:29] <sadtaco-remote> Trying to upgrade to 17.10 but getting errors and unable to
[19:30] <ioria> sadtaco-remote, maybe if you change CODNAME with your release name , might work
[19:32] <s10gopal> battery drain when laptop is off https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe/+bug/1745646   plz help me
[19:33] <doublehp> ikonia: they fixed my auth bug; I completed my report; and disabled /etc/cron.d/armbian-updates . All good for me; thanks, and bye
[19:33] <sadako> Oh
[19:33] <sadako> woops lol
[19:33] <sadako> so to Artful, or Artful Ardvark?
[19:34] <ioria> zesty is in old-release, not artful ('cause it's not eol)
[19:34] <s10gopal> ioria: plz help me
[19:34] <ioria> s10gopal, you're dual booting ?
[19:34] <s10gopal> no
[19:35] <sadako> I'm on zesty now. I'm trying to upgrade
[19:35] <ioria> s10gopal, you said that it's not happening with windows ...
[19:35] <texla>  I have two versions of Ubuntu...14.04 on sda4 and 16.04 on sda1...14.04 has the controlling grub bootloader...As I wish to delete 14.04 how do I get 16.04 to be the controlling boot loader
[19:36] <s10gopal> yes when i install windows
[19:37] <ioria> s10gopal, fastboot enabled ?
[19:37] <s10gopal> yes
[19:37] <s10gopal> ufei
[19:37] <ioria> s10gopal, try to disable it
[19:38] <s10gopal> tried both
[19:38] <s10gopal> legacy and efei
[19:38] <ioria> s10gopal,  disable  fastboot
[19:39] <s10gopal> tried but didnt worked
[19:39] <ioria> s10gopal,  try again and leave the pc off for almost, let's say 3 hours
[19:40] <kostkon> s10gopal, you didn't manage to disable fastboot or you did, but made no difference?
[19:42] <gopal> ikonia: even with fast boot enabled it takes 2.12sec to boot
[19:42] <akik> does disabling windows fastboot have some effect on the hardware/linux side?
[19:42] <pal_> nick pally
[19:44] <gopal> akik: u disable fast boot in bios right?
[19:45] <akik> gopal: oh in bios? i thought they meant the option in win10
[19:45] <sadtaco-remote> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26466250/  Set to "artful", I still get similar errors
[19:45] <ioria> gopal, i said 3 hours
[19:45] <gopal> akik: there is option in bios to disable
[19:46] <gopal> ioria: i am tying from 5 days
[19:46] <akik> gopal: what does it say?
[19:46] <doux> Hi, Virtualbox kept crashing (4.13.0-31 kernel). I tried removing it and the re-installing it but now when I try to use some of the commands like modprobe -a vboxdrv, it tels me that: Module vboxdrv not found...
[19:46] <ioria> gopal, you don't get me, leaver the pc off for 3 hours
[19:46] <gopal> akik: fastboot <disable/enable>
[19:46] <gopal> ioria: did it for a night
[19:46] <user12345678> Hey - Ubuntu 17.10 overriade some bios setting - i google it on the net ?
[19:47] <user12345678> This is true ?
[19:47] <ioria> gopal, do it again with fatsboot disabled, this time
[19:47] <gopal> ioria: i did it
[19:47] <ioria> gopal, do it again , trust me
[19:48] <krytarik> !intel-spi | user12345678
[19:48] <gopal> ioria: i did disable fast boot , installed linux in legacy mode , installed windows and tested my battery , removed my battery for a night too
[19:48] <ioria> gopal, good
[19:49] <gopal> ioria: turned my laptop off then removed battery then again pluged it and there was no battery drain that time
[19:51] <gopal> ioria: plz help me
[19:51] <user12345678> ubottu - it's rather a malware
[19:53] <gopal> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe/+bug/1745646
[19:53] <user12345678> ubottu - I am only a bot, but I'm intelligent
[19:53] <user12345678> krytarik
[19:54] <krytarik> user12345678: Then you didn't read properly.
[19:54] <gopal> ubottu:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe/+bug/1745646
[19:54] <user12345678> it's rather a malware
[19:54] <krytarik> gopal: Why do you keep pasting this?
[19:55] <gopal> i was testing ubottu this time
[19:55] <sadtaco-remote> when I  try to run software updater I get "Failed to download repository information / please check your internet connection"
[19:55] <user12345678> it's can be the same situation, as in cups drive and linux kernel server infrastructure was infected
[19:55] <yeats> gopal: /msg ubottu and you can test without channel noise
[19:55] <SimonNL> gopal: this afternoon you have been asked to wait for response on your bug report
[19:56] <kostkon> sadtaco-remote, sudo apt-get update   in the terminal and pastebin it
[19:56] <texla>  I have two versions of Ubuntu...14.04 on sda4 and 16.04 on sda1...14.04 has the controlling grub bootloader...As I wish to delete 14.04 how do I get 16.04 to be the controlling boot loader I have two versions of Ubuntu...14.04 on sda4 and 16.04 on sda1...14.04 has the controlling grub bootloader...As I wish to delete 14.04 how do I get 16.04 to be the controlling boot loader
[19:56] <sadtaco-remote> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26466250/
[19:58] <jil> hello
[19:58] <kostkon> sadtaco-remote, artful aka 17.10 is still supported so why did you altered your sources.list to point to old-releases?
[19:58] <sadtaco-remote> I keep getting this "does not have a Release file." error for all sources
[19:58] <sadtaco-remote> I thought that's what EOLUpgrade said to do
[19:58] <sadtaco-remote> i guess I'm supposed to put what I'm currently on there
[19:58] <ioria> zesty is in old-release, not artful ('cause it's not eol) ì
[19:59] <gopal> texla: i am not expert but i did this format sda4 use live to repair grub
[19:59] <jil> who use fish and find it better that bash ?
[19:59] <sadtaco-remote> I'm on zesty and trying to update to artful
[19:59] <kostkon> sadtaco-remote, are you currently on 17.04 or 17.10?
[19:59] <ioria> sadtaco-remote, so ? codname is zesty not artful
[19:59] <kostkon> sadtaco-remote, then change the codename from artful to zesty
[19:59] <sadtaco-remote> 17.04
[19:59] <user12345678> by http://www.firstpost.com/business/security-breach-hits-linux-foundation-sites-down-for-maintenance-1884869.html
[20:00] <krytarik> texla: See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#Reinstalling_GRUB_2
[20:00] <user12345678> it was discovered on September 8, 2011. The Linux Foundation
[20:00] <kostkon> sadtaco-remote, also how many times have you c/ped the lines from the wiki page. Your apt-get update output seems a bit too long
[20:01] <sadtaco-remote> I don't get what you mean
[20:01] <ioria> sadtaco-remote, and i suggest you to remove/disable 3rd party repos
[20:01] <sadtaco-remote> There's 4 source lines from the eolupdate wiki
[20:01] <kostkon> sadtaco-remote, forget about it then
[20:01] <sadtaco-remote> I copied sources.list from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[20:03] <texla> krytarik, Thanks will try that info
[20:03] <sadako> I think it's working now...
[20:05] <mustmodify> Is it dirty to copy entries from one server's /etc/passwd file to another to prevent people from having to each login to create their own account?
[20:05] <mustmodify> and shadow I guess.
[20:06] <leftyfb> mustmodify: you'll definitely need shadow
[20:07] <gopal> leftyfb: plz help me https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe/+bug/1745646
[20:07] <mustmodify> I see group numbers and user numbers... so I assume I need to go into the group file and create those as well.
[20:07] <leftyfb> gopal: if the battery is draining when the laptop is off, that is 100% no the fault of Ubuntu or any other OS on the laptop
[20:08] <leftyfb> gopal: contact HP
[20:08] <gopal> leftyfb: but battery dont drain when i use windows
[20:08] <leftyfb> incorrect
[20:08] <gopal> leftyfb: and it dont drain when i remove it
[20:08] <leftyfb> gopal: if the laptop is off, there is no OS running
[20:08] <gopal> TJ-: plz see this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe/+bug/1745646
[20:09] <yeats> gopal: nobody in this channel is going to be able to fix a kernel bug on the spot :-/
[20:09] <ioria> it's difficult draining the battery, if the battery is removed ... agree
[20:09] <leftyfb> gopal: here's a test. Remove your hard drive.
[20:10] <gopal> laptop
[20:10] <leftyfb> gopal: you should still be able to remove the hard drive
[20:10] <tomreyn> gopal: it's not acceptable to keep highlighting random people (and bots) here in an attempt to get assistence with your issue. please stop.
[20:10] <tomreyn> (2nd warning)
[20:11] <gopal> i tried shut down ubuntu , removed battery then put it again and there was no drain
[20:11] <TJ-> gopal: can you attach full logs to the report? "apport-collect 1745646"
[20:11] <leftyfb> gopal: regardless, there is no reason why Ubuntu would be the cause of the battery draining when the laptop is OFF. Ubuntu is not running, therefore is cannot do or cause anything.
[20:11] <gopal> TJ-: how?
[20:11] <TJ-> gopal: use the command I've just given you
[20:12] <TJ-> gopal: These battery issues are due to system firmware ACPI problems; we may be able to workaround them. I already see some signs of ACPI errors in the journal log you attached to the bug report
[20:12] <gopal> :)
[20:14] <gopal> TJ-: it says restart your system or close firefox
[20:15] <TJ-> gopal: apport needs access to the browser to get you to log-in to Launchpad so it can attach the logs
[20:15] <leftyfb> TJ-: can you explain to me how Ubuntu can cause a battery to drain when it isn't running?
[20:17] <gopal_> TJ-: Package linux-hwe not installed and no hook available, ignoring Gtk-Message: GtkDialog mapped without a transient parent. This is discouraged.
[20:17] <TJ-> leftyfb: it isn't 'Ubuntu' it's the system firmware (ACPI) not shutting down platform devices correctly, and being tailored to Windows drivers so Linux doesn't know about it or how to manage it
[20:17] <gopal_> TJ-: and a dialog said no info collected
[20:18] <TJ-> gopal_: try again; I re-assigned the bug to "linux"
[20:18] <leftyfb> TJ-: boy, that's just .....
[20:19] <TJ-> leftyfb: ... pretty common :D
[20:19] <gopal_> TJ-: done
[20:20] <TJ-> gopal_: originally, didn't we reconfigure that system to use apci_osi= ?
[20:20] <gopal_> TJ-: other hp linux user was getting same problem he was using debian
[20:20] <mustmodify> So... I had a script to set up a new machine. I think the timezone part of it is wrong.
[20:20] <gopal_> TJ-: yes
[20:20] <gopal_> TJ-: it is fresh install
[20:20] <TJ-> gopal_: and what did it 'kill' that meant you had to remove it?
[20:21] <TJ-> gopal_: I seem to recall you had some device not work correctly
[20:21] <mustmodify> The machine should be in America/New_York time. But this isn't doing what I expect: https://gist.github.com/mustmodify/40611a252f8bfbf9ab47#file-gistfile1-txt-L3-L4
[20:21] <mustmodify> it ends up saying I'm still in UTC time.
[20:21] <mustmodify> Any thoughts?
[20:21] <gopal_> TJ-: but even driver didnt solved the problems so i reinstalled ubuntu
[20:21] <grubquestion> I have a question about eding /etc/default/grub to boot to a previous kernel
[20:21] <gopal_> TJ-: and tried ubuntu 17.10
[20:22] <gopal_> TJ-: i get black screen before boot
[20:23] <tomreyn> mustmodify: sudo timedatectl set-timezone America/New_York
[20:23] <grubquestion> I use lubuntu 14.  If I edit, /etc/default/grub, <GRUB_DEFAULT=0> do I need to account for the bios as a number?
[20:24] <tomreyn> mustmodify: try this, too (although i also would have expected your approach to work)
[20:25] <mustmodify> it's weird. I expect it to work, too.
[20:25] <grubquestion> please pm me if anybody knows about that stuff :D
[20:25] <mustmodify> I'm setting up a machine for my clients to use for a while. So if something's wacky about it I would like to know soon. :)
[20:26] <mustmodify> tzselect tells me to put this in my .profile... but that won't work when non-interactive users are running webservers.
[20:28] <tomreyn> mustmodify: why do you run dpkg-reconfigure through sudo when you run the entire thing as root already?
[20:29] <mustmodify> I'm in root.
[20:29] <mustmodify> No reason I guess.
[20:29] <tomreyn> mustmodify: is the change to /etc/timezone actualyl writtne to disk?
[20:30] <mustmodify> Yes.
[20:30] <mustmodify> that's what was weird.
[20:30] <mustmodify> It took that. Even when I rebooted, it was still there, but would show the timezone in UTC
[20:30] <mustmodify> but then the new command worked.
[20:31] <mustmodify> So there's something different about how this OS works than when I originally wrote this. But... even though I would like to understand, it's not worth the time.
[20:31] <mustmodify> :(
[20:32] <tomreyn> it'll be something systemd'ish
[20:32] <mustmodify> (unless it turns out time on this machine is Fd up... then it's totally worth the ... time.... AHHHH
[20:33] <mustmodify> weird, my instructions say to add to /etc/ntp.conf... why would you not just take the default?
[20:33] <mustmodify> Seems pretty thorough...
[20:34] <TJ-> gopal_: I'd like you to dump, compress, and attach the ACPI tables to the bug report (attach manually via the web-browser). Commands: "mkdir -p /tmp/acpi; cd /tmp/acpi; sudo apt install acpica-tools; sudo acpidump-acpica -b; tar -cf ../acpi_tables.tar.gz *; cd ..; ls acpi*"
[20:34] <RFGBotnetCaC> hello
[20:35] <RFGBotnetCaC> hello
[20:35] <john1987> hello guys
[20:35] <gopal_> TJ-: ok
[20:35] <john1987> need some guidance on implementing DAC
[20:36] <john1987> do I need ACLs  of i cna manage without?
[20:36] <gopal_> TJ-: how to upload?
[20:37] <TJ-> gopal_: visit the bug report with the web-browser, log-in to Launchpad, then use the '+ Add attachment or patch" link at bottom-left of the page
[20:37] <gopal_> TJ-: update-alternatives: using /usr/bin/acpixtract-acpica to provide /usr/bin/acpixtract (acpixtract) in auto mode update-alternatives: warning: skip creation of /usr/share/man/man1/acpixtract.1.gz because associated file /usr/share/man/man1/acpixtract-acpica.1 (of link group acpixtract) doesn't exist update-alternatives: using /usr/bin/acpidump-acpica to provide /usr/bin/acpidump (acpidump) in auto mode update-alternatives: warning
[20:37] <gopal_> TJ-: i am unable to find the file
[20:38] <TJ-> gopal_: did you copy/paste the commands I gave? it should be create in /tmp/ as acpi_tables.tar.gz
[20:38] <gopal_> yes
[20:39] <gluon> i agree with the new decision to have xorg as the default in 18.04 lts
[20:39] <TJ-> gopal_: try the command again, but delete the "sudo apt install acpica-tools;"
[20:39] <ioria> gluon, really ?
[20:40] <gopal_> TJ-: done
[20:40] <gluon> although i use wayland in 17.10 mostly without problems, it's really annoying that a shell crash brings you to the login screen
[20:40] <gluon> you lose your session basically, whereas under xorg, you keep it, even when mutter crashes
[20:40] <gluon> ioria: yes: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2018/01/26/bionic-beaver-18-04-lts-to-use-xorg-by-default/
[20:40] <Guest31829> ubuntu is the best
[20:41] <ioria> gluon, both ...
[20:41] <gluon> wayland is just shy of being production ready imho
[20:41] <mustmodify> ok, again, just checking for best practices... make sure I'm doing the right stuff. Software like db, webserver, redis... belongs in /etc/... right?
[20:41] <mustmodify> I've seen it in /opt
[20:41] <ioria> gluon, agree
[20:41] <gluon> or in this case, the way gnome shell handles crashes under using wayland
[20:42] <gluon> plus other minor annoyances like screen capturing freezing some machines
[20:42] <gluon> under wayland
[20:42] <gluon> wayland will still be there, just as the alternative session this time
[20:42] <gluon> not the default one
[20:42] <sadako> Also I have a question.  Is Ubuntu 16 to 18 supposed to be pretty painless or does that tend to be an ordeal?
[20:43] <oerheks> sadako, wait and see
[20:44] <sadako> heh
[20:44] <TJ-> gopal_: got it, thanks. It'll take some time to disassemble and analyse; I'll post updates to the bug report if I find anything significant over the next few days.
[20:44] <mustmodify> @oerheks You inspire genuine confidence.
[20:45] <TJ-> gopal_: For now I suggest you try re-applying the acpi_osi= workaround to determine if it helps or if we need to do more in-kernel on this issue
[20:45] <TJ-> gopal_: see http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[20:45] <gopal_> TJ-: you know about bios ?
[20:45] <gopal_> TJ-: i dont have windows
[20:46] <TJ-> gopal_: so?
[20:46] <ioria> gopal_, it's not about win, it'a about your fw
[20:46] <gopal_> TJ-: when i press f10 + a i get adv menu and i am unable to understand them
[20:46] <TJ-> gopal_: You've lost me now ... press F10 why? when?
[20:47] <gopal_> TJ-: i was doing it to disable dedicated gfx and wol in bios
[20:47] <gopal_> TJ-: i have to copy paste those commands
[20:47] <gopal_> ?
[20:48] <TJ-> gopal_: OK, but I've not asked you to do that. Read the linked page I gave you and apply the acpi_osi= workaround, then test it
[20:48] <gopal_> TJ-: ok
[20:53] <gopal_> TJ-: done now restarting
[20:55] <Guest31829> what to do if life sux?
[20:55] <nacc> Guest31829: offtopic for this channel, unfortunately.  It sounds like your issue is outside the scope of this channel, unfortunately
[20:59] <nemo> Guest31829: so... my father in law's vision is awful, but what helps a lot in his setup is high contrast themes
[20:59] <Guest31829> yes sorry
[20:59] <genii> Guest31829: Please watch the profanity, we try to keep this channel family-friendly
[20:59] <nemo> Guest31829: he uses a black background with yellow text and that works very well
[20:59] <nemo> Guest31829: He's doing so in Mate
[20:59] <nemo> Guest31829: large font sizes can help as well
[20:59] <dinoshark> hi
[20:59] <sud0x3> Guest31829: Could you try using a filter either in software or phsically?
[20:59] <Guest31829> how can do this yellow black theme on ubuntu?
[20:59] <nemo> Guest31829: for applications like Firefox,  Dark Mode and Dark Background with Light Text extensions can force this combination as well
[21:00] <dinoshark> ???????????????????????????????????????????????//
[21:00] <nemo> Guest31829: ubuntu is pretty broad - would have to know what desktop you are using
[21:00] <bumbumboop> hey anyone have any idea how to setup a cron job?
[21:00] <nacc> dinoshark: please don't do that.
[21:00] <dinoshark> imiunbuntumateon raspberry pi
[21:00] <Guest31829> i have the standart 16.04 LTS
[21:00] <bumbumboop> I can't get an SH script to run via a cronjob and I have no clue why
[21:00] <nacc> bumbumboop: is it executable?
[21:00] <mustmodify> does /etc/profile.d use systemv?
[21:00] <mustmodify> or systemd?
[21:00] <nemo> Guest31829: one nice thing about gkt2 and gtk3 apps is they tend to support theming very well - unlike on windows where I had to disable the theming because it broke too many apps
[21:00] <mustmodify> or whatever it's called?
[21:00] <nacc> mustmodify: neither?
[21:00] <mustmodify> Or is the .d suffix coincidental?
[21:01] <bumbumboop> nacc, yea i can execute it via the terminal and I did a chmod+x on it
[21:01] <mustmodify> ok great.
[21:01] <bumbumboop> should I do a chmod 777?
[21:01] <gopal> TJ-: my boot time decreased
[21:01] <gopal> :)
[21:01] <nemo> Guest31829: I'm not sure what the default desktop is in 16.04 - possibly unity.  You could install another... unfortunately my personal familiarity with theming is limited to Mate
[21:01] <nacc> mustmodify: .d has nothing to do with sysv or systemd
[21:01] <mustmodify> good, thanks.
[21:01] <nacc> mustmodify: it could be anything, it doesn't really mean anything
[21:01] <sud0x3> Guest31829: If changing the colors of application does help your vision, I would suggest trying stylish addon in firfox and using a global dark theme to style all webpages with said colours.
[21:01] <Guest31829> ok im looking into it now
[21:01] <nacc> bumbumboop: ok, which crontab did you add it to and can you pastebin the script and the crontab?
[21:02] <nemo> Guest31829: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/dark-mode-webextension/
[21:02] <bumbumboop> nacc, sure its a simple line
[21:02] <nemo> Guest31829: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/dark-background-light-text/
[21:02] <bumbumboop> after I do crontab -e I have this: * * * * * sh /home/eric/scripts/start_script.sh
[21:02] <bumbumboop> it should run every minute but that isn't happening
[21:02] <nemo> Guest31829: in addition, I have a small bit of personal familiarity with writing custom shaders for improving visibility with the awesome Compiz colourfilter extension UNFORTUNATELY that extension lost support in newer versions of compiz ☹
[21:02] <bumbumboop> nacc,
[21:03] <nemo> Guest31829: because it was insanely flexible and made it easy to fix various kinds of colourblindness etc
[21:03] <nemo> Guest31829: for example: http://m8y.org/tmp/inverted-lightness.txt http://m8y.org/tmp/biased-inverted-lightness.txt   these simple ones could be applied to any window to do this
[21:04] <nemo> Guest31829: http://m8y.org/tmp/lightness1.jpeg http://m8y.org/tmp/lightness2.jpeg http://m8y.org/tmp/lightness3.jpeg
[21:04] <nemo> Guest31829: one could use the same thing to increase contrast or change colours
[21:04] <nemo> Guest31829: there is also a gnome magnifying glass tool, and there is some screen reader support - unfortunately screen readers are poorly supported in linux at the moment ☹
[21:04] <Guest31829> nemo I switched to the only standard high contrast theme in settings and it looks kinf of strange but is much easier on the eyes. it is mostly black and white
[21:04] <nemo> Guest31829: great!
[21:05] <nemo> Guest31829: for my father in law I manually restyled that theme from white to yellow
[21:05] <nacc> bumbumboop: iirc, cron logs to /var/log/syslog -- do you see your script being tried?
[21:05] <nemo> Guest31829: which he said worked better for him
[21:05] <sud0x3> Guest31829: I personally use redshift to reduce eye strain at night, worky by removing the blue light from your display during night hours. You may be able to find something that will do this all the time
[21:05] <nacc> bumbumboop: also, are you sure you mean `sh` ?
[21:05] <nacc> bumbumboop: can you pastebin the script?
[21:05] <dingir> hi
[21:05] <nemo> sud0x3: oh. good point - yeah. one can screw with colours in general using that um. watchmacallit X tool
[21:05] <dingir> i ssh to my box, i type "wall test message" but nothing appears on the box itself
[21:05] <dingir> whats wrong?
[21:05] <nemo> sud0x3: it's not as powerful as the compiz colour filter, but works for some things
[21:06] <nemo> sud0x3: gonna try and DDG the name of it, but feel free to spit it out if you know what I'm talking about ☺
[21:06] <nacc> dingir: well, it won't appear on the waller's tty
[21:06] <nacc> dingir: it will appear on all others
[21:06] <JonelethIrenicus> can i enable vnc server from command line
[21:06] <Guest31829> It is white background with black text. I tried the dark theme mode in youtube wich is a standard feature but it gives me depression cant use the firefox extension for all sites cos of this.
[21:07] <mustmodify> I want a script to run whether in interactive mode, non-interactive mode, some-other-mode-I-don't-know, whether the user is in space or on earth, at every opportunity. Is /etc/profile.d/file.sh an appropriate place for that?
[21:07] <Guest31829> this has been a big problem for me for the past years thats why i wanted educated help
[21:07] <nacc> mustmodify: that doesn't run scripts
[21:07] <nacc> mustmodify: profile *sources* scripts
[21:07] <sud0x3> nemo: I have used compiz in the past i think wobbly windows? but i wasnt aware it could do this.
[21:07] <nacc> mustmodify: so it depends on what is in file.sh
[21:08] <nemo> sud0x3: yeah. it's so sad that feature disappeared
[21:08] <bumbumboop> nacc, https://gist.github.com/ericjlima/8eff5d34c2133a2c2e40d82d6a369764
[21:08] <nemo> sud0x3: it's 'cause ARB shaders are deprecated - but should have been rewritten to modern shaders
[21:08] <nacc> bumbumboop: that's the content of the script?
[21:08] <bumbumboop> yea
[21:08] <nemo> sud0x3: it's an awesome linux accessibility feature that disappeared ☹
[21:08] <nacc> bumbumboop: it looks cutoff, no shebang at the top?
[21:08] <mustmodify> @nacc: yes, my fault.
[21:08] <mustmodify> I want it sourced.
[21:08] <nemo> sud0x3: right now the only fix is falling back to older compiz and hoping your graphics card still supports ARB (they usually do)
[21:09] <gopal> TJ-: thx a lot , i will check battery drain
[21:09] <sud0x3> nemo: Im not sure what application your thinking of
[21:09] <bumbumboop> what sa shebang? no that's the whole script file
[21:09] <bumbumboop> nacc,
[21:09] <nacc> mustmodify: well, a user can start a shell with --noprofile; and they can run non-bash
[21:10] <nacc> mustmodify: so not sure what your goal is or if it's achievable
[21:10] <nemo> sud0x3: oh. xrandr I think is what I was thinking of
[21:10] <nacc> bumbumboop: e.g, !#/bin/bash
[21:10] <nacc> bumbumboop: on ubuntu, sh = dash which is stricter than bash
[21:10] <nemo> sud0x3: it's a bit more general purpose than redshift.  playing with gamma etc can help visibility
[21:11] <bumbumboop> nacc i'm using sh and I had this script running before but I lost what I had typed in my crontab I think
[21:11] <dingir> nacc the inverse is happening
[21:11] <bumbumboop> I think I had to type in a special command or something to get this shell script to run but I go online and everyone says it is very straight forward and simple just like I wrote?
[21:11] <dingir> on my ssh remote login i see "broadcast from dingir message test" but on the box itself i dont see anything
[21:11] <nacc> bumbumboop: um, your script seems rather wrong
[21:12] <mustmodify> @nacc: I'm using 'chruby' to manage what version of Ruby is available to the user. Scripts must be sourced before use. The web server and deploy scripts use a non-interactive shell.
[21:12] <nacc> bumbumboop: why is it making assumptions about paths, etc.
[21:12] <dingir> oh its becasue im logged as dingir..
[21:12] <dingir> hrm
[21:12] <nemo> sud0x3: https://askubuntu.com/questions/62249/how-do-you-change-brightness-color-and-sharpness-from-command-line
[21:12] <bumbumboop> nacc, the script is not the issue
[21:12] <nacc> bumbumboop: i'm fairly sure it is
[21:12] <mustmodify> So that needs to be available at all times.
[21:12] <nacc> bumbumboop: because cron does not run from a particular directory
[21:12] <bumbumboop> the issue is with crontab or permissions or something nacc
[21:12] <nacc> bumbumboop: and your script assumes it is run from some specific directory
[21:13] <nemo> Guest31829: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/backlight#Color_correction  oh. this arch page has a nice list of applications that control colour correction
[21:13] <dingir> does not appear on the root terminal
[21:13] <nacc> dingir: what do you mean by 'root terminal'?
[21:13] <dingir> i did a "su" in terminal
[21:13] <nacc> dingir: that doesnn't log you in
[21:14] <nacc> dingir: i believe it only applies to logged in users
[21:14] <dingir> i am logged.. on the desktop
[21:14] <dingir> i have a terminal opened as dingir and one as root
[21:14] <bumbumboop> nacc, so how do I get my script to run at all? do i need to reference my directory differnetly or something?
[21:14] <dingir> when i type "wall test" from ssh, nothing appears
[21:14] <dingir> even tho ssh session returns "broadcast message from dingir test"
[21:16] <sud0x3> nemo: Cheers i will look into that
[21:16] <nemo> sud0x3: yeah, actually that arch page has xcalib - that might have been the one I was actually thinking of - read that page instead I think 😃
[21:17] <sud0x3> Shoutout to the late night linux podcast whilst were on the topic of accessability last episode has an interview with a blind user who also hosts several podcasts of his own
[21:17] <UsbUser> Hey, I'm using 16.04 on my Macbook and having a lot of trouble getting USB drives to work correctly. It seems that on reboot USB works fine, but when I eject a drive and tru to use it again the system refuses to mount it automatically. Trying to mount using the terminal doesn't work and I'm at a bit of a loss to what is happining. Has anyone seen this soft of thing before?
[21:18] <UsbUser> I havent had any trouble before at it seems to have just started happening
[21:18] <nemo> sud0x3: the main fail on linux is screen readers ☹ microsoft is still miles ahead of linux and OSX on that front.   where linux seems to shine is on high contrast-anything
[21:19] <nemo> sud0x3: and ofc that old compiz colour filter thing which could probably be used to mostly fix any colourblindness
[21:19] <nemo> sud0x3: high contrast themes in windows are basically unusable - and it's not just 3rd party apps - MS doesn't seem to worry much about it either
[21:19] <akik> UsbUser: do you disconnect the device after eject?
[21:19] <sud0x3> nemo: Yeah i tried orca after listening to aformentioned podcast and i was diappointed certainly wouldnt be able to use my setup if i became blind
[21:19] <nemo> sud0x3: now. if you're a dev and tmux is your home, you'll probably be mostly fine? ☺
[21:20] <UsbUser> akik: Yes I physically disconnect the drive after ejecting
[21:20] <akik> UsbUser: you can get more information what your system sees with this command: sudo udevadm monitor --udev --subsystem-match=usb --property
[21:21] <akik> UsbUser: run that and then plug in the device
[21:23] <UsbUser> akik: ok, so nothing is coming out of the monitor. I checked dmesg and I'm getting some pretty freaky messages I wasn't earlier. Am I ok to post a few lines into this channel?
[21:24] <akik> UsbUser: no, put them into a pastebin service
[21:26] <akik> UsbUser: not quite sure what would be the cause but you might get more info with "journalctl -xe" if you know the time that it starts happening
[21:26] <UsbUser> akik: Here is some of my dmesg output. I wasn't seeing this earlier which is interesting. https://pastebin.com/VER2PjtC
[21:27] <akik> UsbUser: do you have another usb device to test with?
[21:27] <UsbUser> Yeah, tried this with a USB flash drive and a USB HDD. Both exhibit the same behaviour
[21:28] <dingir> nacc
[21:29] <dingir> on google i found that gnome-terminal doesnt recognize login sessions or something like that so doesnt work with wall
[21:29] <dingir> bs
[21:29] <UsbUser> akik: I'm going to try booting into OSX and see whether this might be HW related. The drives work in other systems so I'm going to rule my system itself out. I'll report back
[21:31] <thorie> hello, i recently updated ubuntu and got a warning that /boot is almost full.. i see it's using 415MB of 464MB.. what should I do? do I need a bigger /boot?
[21:32] <hggdh> dingir: edit your gnome-terminal profile and, on the Command tab, check on "Run command as a login shell"
[21:33] <hggdh> thorie: you probably had some old kernels that can be removed (via the package manager, *NOT* via 'rm')
[21:33] <hggdh> s/had/have/
[21:34] <BillD73> thorie: I believe   sudo apt autoremove     then   sudo apt autoclean
[21:35] <hggdh> thorie: you would run 'sudo apt --purge autoremove'; check that indeed (apart from the kernel packages) there is nothing you do not want to remove, and -- if OK -- let it execute
[21:35] <UsbUser> akik: Ok, so OSX behaves normally. I'm pretty sure its not HW.
[21:35] <thorie> thanks!!
[21:36] <akik> UsbUser: you could try reloading the usb_storage module after the problem situation "sudo modprobe -r uas usb_storage"
[21:36] <akik> UsbUser: that removes the usb_storage module and you can load it again with "sudo modprobe usb_storage"
[21:37] <dingir> hggdh, i did.. still no difference
[21:38] <nacc> dingir: sorry, was afk
[21:38] <nacc> dingir: you need to *login* as a particular user
[21:39] <dingir> well, i boot the computer, i login as dingir, get to the desktop, open terminal
[21:39] <dingir> i take my phone, ssh to the box, type "wall asdf", the ssh session on the phone says "broadcast message from dingir asdf"
[21:39] <UsbUser> akik: loading and unloading the kernel modules didn't make a difference. You can see this in dmesg at 242.873399 . I'm also getting a few more interesting messages.https://pastebin.com/PumepTXb
[21:39] <dingir> but on the gnome-terminal i opened on the box, nothing shows up
[21:40] <nacc> dingir: gnome-terminal sessions are not loginns
[21:40] <nacc> dingir: i believe they are just spawning interactive bash shells
[21:40] <nacc> dingir: you could run `bash -l` or `login` manually and i bet you'd see it
[21:40] <nacc> dingir: why are you wall'ing anyways?
[21:41] <nacc> bumbumboop: sorry, was afk
[21:41] <nacc> bumbumboop: you need to fix your script, it's just not correct
[21:41] <dingir> oh..
[21:41] <dingir> so a login is like ctrl+alt+f2
[21:42] <dingir> i see..
[21:42] <dingir> nacc trying wall just for fun
[21:43] <akik> UsbUser: what if you just umount the usb device, then unplug it, plug it back and try to use it again?
[21:44] <ilmaisin> hello
[21:44] <ilmaisin> i am having problem when ssh'ing to a ipv6 debian stretch host from an ubuntu client machine
[21:44] <ilmaisin> sometimes the connection just hangs
[21:44] <ilmaisin> it does it after the "local version string" debug output
[21:45] <UsbUser> akik:Isnt that what Files is doing already? I can try it but i'll need to reboot
[21:46] <nacc> dingir: or a login session
[21:46] <nacc> dingir: (bash -l, login, etc.)
[21:46] <bumbumboop> nanever mind i got the script running
[21:46] <nacc> bumbumboop: ok.
[21:46] <nacc> bumbumboop: you should still fix your script if you haven't
[21:46] <dingir> nacc thank
[21:46] <bumbumboop> i had to do display:0 because it was using a script that needed to be within my main ubuntu window isntance
[21:47] <akik> UsbUser: umount and eject do two different things, umount doesn't remove the device file
[21:47] <akik> UsbUser: you can see the eject happening on line 28
[21:47] <nacc> bumbumboop: makes sense
[21:47] <nacc> bumbumboop: fwiw, cronning a graphics thingn is relatively uncommon
[21:48] <UsbUser> Ok, i'll give it a go
[21:52] <dsaravanan> How to find which icon-theme is in present use?
[21:53] <polaco> hi
[21:53] <UsbUser> akik: Yep so that didn't work either. I'm not sure what to make of this, a regression maybe?
[21:53] <polaco> I have a one question.
[21:53] <akik> UsbUser: you could try a newer kernel
[21:54] <UsbUser> I'm on the latest kernel. I'll try a few older ones
[21:54] <polaco> The ip <IP_ADDRESS> Is a private o public ip?
[21:54] <UsbUser> or latest for 16.04 at least
[21:54] <akik> UsbUser: there's the mainline kernels also
[21:54] <hggdh> polaco: public
[21:55] <polaco> sure because the other chat said private
[21:55] <hggdh> polaco: meaning it is not one of the reserved, non-routable, IP addresses.
[21:56] <dsaravanan> How to find which icon-theme am I using in my machine?
[21:56] <polaco> I think that is public ip
[21:57] <polaco> too
[21:58] <hggdh> polaco: the "private" IPv4 ranges are <IP_ADDRESS>/8, <IP_ADDRESS>/20, and <IP_ADDRESS>/16
[21:59] <polaco> ok thanks
[21:59] <polaco> hggdh
[21:59] <hggdh> polaco: YW
[22:01] <argusbr> have alternative tool mtr?
[22:02] <UsbUser> akik: Hey again, I've revereted to 4.10.0-40 which is the oldest kerel I've got on my system. Suddenly USB works perfectly again. I'm going to work through my kernel and find out exactly when this broke.
[22:03] <UsbUser> akik: I'll try pull in the latest mainline and report this on Launchpad
[22:04] <akik> UsbUser: well good thing you found the temp fix
[22:05] <UsbUser> akik: Thanks for the help anyway. I'll do a bit more research and submit a bug report but you've been a great help anyway. Cheers :)
[22:14] <sammecs> How do I boot the Ubuntu installer into Legacy mode from a Macbook?
[22:14] <ferretsatsuma> On my Ubuntu installation, ‘ldconfig.real -i’ causes a segmentation fault. The cache is good (ldconfig runs OK) but there’s something amiss in one of the libraries. If anyone has suggestions on how I should go about troubleshooting this, I would appreciate hearing them.
[22:14] <nacc> ferretsatsuma: what version of ubuntu?
[22:15] <ferretsatsuma> nacc: 16.04.3 LTS
[22:16] <nacc> ferretsatsuma: i guess you could run it in gdb and see where it is segfaultinng (and strace may also show it)
[22:16] <ferretsatsuma> nacc: Thank you. Those are both good ideas.
[22:17] <ferretsatsuma> nacc: Gdb said there was no debugging info in the ldconfig.real binary, but I could recompile it w/ debug enabled...
[22:17] <nacc> ferretsatsuma: you might need to add the debug repos
[22:20] <energizer> having trouble installing docker-ce https://paste.pound-python.org/raw/C3HaUe768IMbI8ByboLz/ [xpost #docker]
[22:21] <nacc> energizer: a nonn-ubuntu package
[22:21] <nacc> !crosspost | energizer
[22:21] <nacc> i guess not multiple Ubuntu in this case, but still not great
[22:21] <ferretsatsuma> nacc: Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but are you talking about the debug repos for the major libraries (glibc, libc, etc.)?
[22:21] <nacc> ferretsatsuma: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debug%20Symbol%20Packages
[22:21] <TJ-> ferretsatsuma: there's an archive server for the debug symbols :) ^^^
[22:22] <ferretsatsuma> Groovy
[22:27] <energizer> nacc: oh it was an ubuntu problem, zesty is eol
[22:28] <energizer> oops
[22:38] <degantyll> Hi, I'm having an error where I try to change the default Open With inside nautilus but it doesnt work. I'm trying to set xml to open with Gedit but it always opens with Firefox, if I change it in properties it doesn't even try to change it
[22:39] <degantyll> Any one has any pointers to this problem? Last hit in google is from 3 years ago
[22:39] <degantyll> I'm using Ubuntu 17.10
[22:40] <Zajt> How can I set the size of a terminal window I open? Can I set it with any command?
[22:40] <energizer> How can I upgrade from 17.04? https://dpaste.de/L3P5
[22:40] <nacc> !eolupgrade | energizer
[22:40] <degantyll> What I noticed is that it sets XML to whichever default app is set on "Default Applications" and overrides manual settings
[22:40] <idwer> recently I upgraded from ubuntu 17.04 to ubuntu 17.10, now resuming from hibernate isn't working anymore; I have edited /var/lib/polkit-1/localauthority/10-vendor.d/com.ubuntu.desktop.pkla, and the UUID from /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume doesn't match blkid'soutput
[22:41] <idwer> while troubleshooting this I came across these posts: http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2017/10/enable-hibernate-ubuntu-17-10/ https://askubuntu.com/questions/12383/how-to-go-automatically-from-suspend-into-hibernate and https://askubuntu.com/questions/975996/hibernate-is-not-working-on-ubuntu-17-10
[22:42] <idwer> resuming worked on 17.04 using linux-image-4.10.0-42-generic
[22:46] <akik> degantyll: not sure about the problem you're having but you can modify the associations with xdg-mime command
[22:47] <degantyll> akik: will read up on that, thanks for the suggestion
[22:53] <idwer> this is on xubuntu by the way - hitting the power button shows both suspend and hibernate buttons, hibernating does write the image to disk and although the resuming process counter is shown, resume to lightdm won't finish
[22:58] <TJ-> idwer: any clues in syslog/kern.log? Can you Ctrl+Alt+F2 to get a tty when lightdm won't complete?
[22:58] <idwer> TJ-: no, this is on mobile hardware (laptop) and its keyboard nor usb ports (for ext. keyboard) aren't brought up
[22:59] <idwer> it just sits there
[22:59] <idwer> resume from s3 works
[22:59] <TJ-> idwer: if it is able to write to the log files there may be something in them, though. After a fresh boot check those using the timestamps to identify the resume-from-hibernate boot messages, if any
[23:00] <idwer> /var/log/pm-suspend.log is empty
[23:00] <TJ-> idwer: is it resuming-from-hibernate with the same kernel image that it hibernated from?
[23:02] <idwer> TJ-: heh, good question - no, that isn't the case
[23:02] <TJ-> idwer: OK, then the logs are your best bet for finding clues
[23:05] <idwer> alright, now there's just linux-image-4.13.0-32-generic + linux-image-extra-4.13.0-32-generic
[23:05] <idwer> (how I hate rebooting)
[23:11] <idwer> hrm
[23:12] <ferretsatsuma> Is there a switch I flip if I want to use the -debug libraries?
[23:13] <nacc> ferretsatsuma: i believe if you install the debug symbols you shouldl be good
[23:13] <ferretsatsuma> nacc: Thank you
[23:13] <TJ-> ferretsatsuma: add the ddeb repo, apt update, and install the <package>-dbsym
[23:14] <TJ-> oops, <package>-dbgsym
[23:15] <idwer> TJ-: now, I compared /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume against conf/conf.d/resume as the latter is included in the new initramfs image:
[23:15] <idwer> < RESUME=UUID=5fd0a2d5-e689-43ca-8c86-25af045028e2
[23:15] <idwer> > RESUME=UUID=8b7e1421-c361-499d-8027-7fb6aa912227
[23:16] <idwer> the second UUID matches what blkid tells me
[23:17] <TJ-> idwer: right, which is presumable being auto-generated then?
[23:17] <sadako> Oof. Boot and login time seems super long going from 17.04 to 17.10
[23:17] <idwer> TJ-: I guess
[23:18] <idwer> there is no resume= directive in /proc/cmdline
[23:18] <TJ-> idwer: it's set here: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/resume:44:RESUME=$(grep ^/dev/ /proc/swaps | sort -rk3 | head -n 1 | cut -d " " -f 1)
[23:19] <idwer> $ grep ^/dev/ /proc/swaps | sort -rk3 | head -n 1 | cut -d " " -f 1
[23:19] <idwer> /dev/sda5
[23:19] <TJ-> idwer: there's other code that touches it, try this to get an idea "grep -rn RESUME /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/"
[23:20] <idwer> maybe that code doen't work well with UUIDs
[23:20] <joefromct> hi, i just switched from arch, how can i setup a systemd unit for --user to run emacs?  It worked in arch, but with ubuntu it seems my systemd --user unit isn't found... it's in ~/.config/systemd/user/emacs.service
[23:21] <TJ-> idwer: lines 46-48 handle the RESUME=UUID=
[23:22] <joefromct> n/m i found it, apparently it's in /usr/lib/systemd/user/ i need to put it.
[23:23] <TJ-> joefromct: or /etc/systemd/user/ would be better - /usr/lib/ is usually for package-supplied files
[23:23] <brainwash> joefromct: but it should work with ~/.config/systemd/user/ also
[23:23] <joefromct> brainwash: hmm... it doesn't find it.  I did a daemon-reload even no luck
[23:23] <joefromct> maybe its permissions?
[23:23] <TJ-> joefromct: which release of Ubuntu is it?
[23:23] <joefromct> 17.10
[23:24] <idwer> TJ-: on line 19-20 it sources the file with the dangling UUID
[23:27] <TJ-> idwer: yes, but that'll fail since it won't find it with blkid so it'll pass on to the autodetection later
[23:28] <idwer> blkid -p -n swap $(grep ^/dev/ /proc/swaps | sort -rk3 | head -n 1 | cut -d " " -f 1)
[23:28] <idwer> /dev/sda5: UUID="8b7e1421-c361-499d-8027-7fb6aa912227" VERSION="1" TYPE="swap" USAGE="other" PART_ENTRY_SCHEME="dos" PART_ENTRY_UUID="1f720d9d-05" PART_ENTRY_TYPE="0x82" PART_ENTRY_NUMBER="5" PART_ENTRY_OFFSET="341540864" PART_ENTRY_SIZE="33552384" PART_ENTRY_DISK="8:0"
[23:28] <degantyll> akik: workes modifyng ~/.config/mimeapps.list, changing text/xml to gedit.desktop... this ofcourse gets overwritten if I change the Web Default App inside GNOME... looks like a bug
[23:29] <degantyll> or expected behavior, you never know with gnome nowadays :P
[23:29] <TJ-> Seems like joefromct was correct, "man systemd" says this commands tells you where user units should be placed: "pkg-config systemd --variable=systemduserunitdir"
[23:38] <sadako> I'm SSH'd into another computer running ubuntu on this network.  Is there a way I for me to switch to active terminals that are running on that ubuntu desktop?
[23:39] <idwer> TJ-: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1708043 however bios/efi version or bios/efi settings haven't changed
[23:39] <idwer> (by me as the user, that is)
[23:43] <idwer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1743094/comments/23
[23:46] <doge-doge> quick question: is upgrading to 17.10 still supported by 32-bit machines? my netbook is complaining that it can't update 17.04 any longer. I suppose 16.04 is still an option as well...
[23:46] <doge-doge> I can do the in-place upgrade according to the updater
[23:48] <idwer> TJ-: going to reboot into linux-image-extra-4.13.0-21-generic
[23:54] <idwer> yeah that version appears to work
[23:54] <TJ-> idwer: see my response to bug #1743094
[23:57] <idwer> TJ-: nopti, I'll remember that


[01:38] <ehoover> wgrant: we have a mistake, would you mind cancelling our builds please? ( https://code.launchpad.net/~pipelight/+recipe/wine-compholio-release )
[01:43] <wgrant> ehoover: Someone's already done that.
[01:43] <ehoover> wgrant: well it was someone from here, we couldn't do it :)
[01:43] <ehoover> (and it must have just happened)
[01:43] <wgrant> Hm
[01:44] <ehoover> we can cancel the actual build, but the recipe build doesn't give us a cancel option
[01:44] <stgraber> I did it
[01:45] <stgraber> then got distracted and forgot to say so
[01:45] <ehoover> thanks :)
[15:43] <dbsr> hey all, newbie here, Im running arch linux but would like to download a file from launchpad, can anyone point me in the right direction
[15:43] <dbsr> do i have to use bazaar for example?
[16:34] <jtaylor> what is going on here: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/171893539/buildlog.txt.gz
[16:34] <jtaylor> on trusty a patch with spaces in the filename works just fine
[19:09] <nickoe> I was just to test launchpadlib out. But when I from launchpadlib.launchpad import Launchpad   I get the error that no ouath.oauth was found. I have python2-oauth2 installed. How can I make it use oauth2?


[00:07] <zus> munz, ya still around?
[00:08] <zus> munz,  i downloaded testdisck and need help getting it to run
[00:36] <mstrgforc7> yo Chris
[01:33] <maxolasersquad> In python, what is the best way for a superclass to require subclasses to have certain methods?
[03:09] <zus> DammitJim:  hello,  again
[03:13] <DammitJim> hi
[03:15] <zus> i think im going to cut my loss and  reformat the drive and download what i remeber i had, the router details are a paperclip and 4 minutes away from not mattering  and i needed to update my resume any how,...:( i never did figure how to work photorec and testdisk
[03:22] <zus> DammitJim:  haha look what i just found http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EncqYP1ijFg how to use testdisc
[04:02] <zus>  /msg NickServ identify <khorgoth>
[04:03] <zus> hmm
[04:03] <zus> there goes that
[04:03] <zus> munz:  hey ya still around? i got it to work
[04:13] <munz> hey zus, good what did ya do?
[04:16] <zus> munz:  thanks!  used testdisk - since dammitjim said it looked like my hdd was missing a partition table  that was a huge help
[04:17] <munz> good, testdisk is great! :)
[04:17] <zus> munz:  testdisk did exactly wot needed to be done, i ran it and it found all the drives on my  laptop the external usb and internal  i selected it and analysed and stuff,...
[04:17] <zus> i was about to call it a loss and well, glad i didnt
[04:20] <munz> cool, me too. i've used it to recover many drives, it also comes w/photorec for pics, really cool. congrats :)
[04:22] <zus> i dont know how to use the photorec, and i got it from the repos - see, so unless its part of the program i didnt get it
[05:32] <jamalta> Dantalizing hi
[16:02] <Epidemic> so, not very impressed with the upgrade to 11.04 from 10.10
[16:03] <Epidemic> wont even boot anymore... get a nice black screen with an orange cursor
[16:03] <Epidemic> thankfully it's a vm and I made a snapshot first ;)
[16:19] <munz> Epidemic, how did you upgrade, repo?
[16:29] <munz> well, if you did, i would dl the iso, mount it and do another upgrade, it should give you option to upgrade 11.04 to 11.04
[16:30] <munz> that will resolve some issues, i had similar issues on a couple of upgrades
[16:30] <munz> good luck
[17:08] <Epidemic> munz: update manager
[17:08] <Epidemic> I would just think that some testing would go into upgrades to prevent this
[17:09] <Epidemic> but i've talked to about 3 other people that I know who have Ubuntu who have had broken upgrades from update manager
[17:55] <RoAkSoAx> itnet7_uds: ping
[17:56] <RoAkSoAx> itnet7_uds: gonna go lock for you beconmin offline now
[18:53] <zus> hi
[19:11] <dantalizing> morning
[19:12] <zus> hi dantalizing
[19:15] <crashsystems> enjoying your new tablet dantalizing ?
[19:15] <dantalizing> yes!
[19:15] <crashsystems> I'm just a bit jealous
[19:15] <dantalizing> theyre giving us the new chromebook too
[19:16] <crashsystems> meh
[19:16] <zus> ??
[19:16] <dantalizing> amazon, best buy will be selling chromebooks from samsung and acer in june
[19:16] <crashsystems> not as interested in chrome OS
[19:16] <dantalizing> theyve really improved it
[19:17] <dantalizing> it actually looks usable
[19:17] <dantalizing> plus, theyre open and can be jailbroken
[19:17] <crashsystems> but its all on the web. everyone is talking about how "secure" it is, but its all on the web
[19:17] <zus> isnt chrome os like a big package deal for all the  stuff google has now?
[19:17] <dantalizing> yes
[19:18] <dantalizing> yes to crashsystems , no zus
[19:18] <zus> i havent read much on the  chrome os
[19:20] <dantalizing> the hooks in chromeos allow any service provider to be available.... so you *can* use picassa for your photos, but if flickr builds it you could use them instead
[19:20] <dantalizing> or whatever service ms provides
[19:21] <dantalizing> or smugmug or photoshop online or whatever
[19:23] <dantalizing> crashsystems: coming to meetup tonight?
[19:23] <crashsystems> no. I get off of work at 5:30, and it would take over an hour to get there, and thats _if_ I didn't have to wait an hour at the caltrain station
[19:24] <dantalizing> boo
[19:24] <dantalizing> leave early. they dont mind
[19:24] <crashsystems> If I had a car, or the day off, I would
[19:25] <crashsystems> of course, if you want to change the location of the meeting to north sunnyvale, I'll be there
[19:25] <crashsystems> or san jose or mountain view for that matter
[19:25] <zus> i finally met another *buntu user in my  area, well 2 one was a grumpy old man, another was a cool paramedic
[19:25] <dantalizing> lol
[19:26] <dantalizing> where are you zus?
[19:26] <zus> st.lucie county
[19:27] <dantalizing> itnet7 is nearby-ish
[19:27] <zus> about an hour north
[19:28] <zus> no hour and a half i think
[19:28] <dantalizing> or is he the grumpy old man you were referring to?
[19:28] <dantalizing> ;-)
[19:28] <zus> lol
[19:29] <zus> that old man i isntalled cable n he used mint
[19:29] <zus> god he was lucky i was per job and not hourly, i wanted to leave..
[19:34] <dantalizing> afk
[22:39] <dantalizing> jtatum ping
[22:40] <jtatum> greetings danstoner
[22:40] <jtatum> dantalizing: ***
[22:40] <dantalizing> jtatum: we're looking to move tonight to in-n-out at fishermans warf
[22:40] <jtatum> damn non-psychic tab
[22:41] <jtatum> fine with me.
[22:41] <dantalizing> i sent you email too
[22:41] <dantalizing> cool
[22:42] <jtatum> ok great. i'll shoot grant an email
[22:42] <jtatum> and update the loco dir entry
[22:43] <dantalizing> nice thx!
[22:43] <jtatum> does jamalta know?
[22:44] <dantalizing> yup
[23:13] <zbrown> noooooooooooooobs