[02:07] <BluesKaj> 'evening all
[03:01] <ScottK> Riddell: I just reviewed kppp.  I'm guessing I'll see a pattern here, so assume these comments are generally applicable: debian/source/lintian-overrides, debian/watch, and debian/copyright all seem to be from kdenetwork and should be updated.  If you want to claim standards version 3.9.4 support with dh short form rules, you need to bump compat to 8 and build-dep on at least debhelper 8.1 for build-{arch,indep} support
[03:02] <ScottK> Nothing that's a reject, but stuff to work on.
[03:10] <juancarlospaco> :(
[03:10] <juancarlospaco> Where I can get a user personal photo on KDE ???, gnome used to place a $HOME/.face  jpg file, KDE where store it ?
[03:13] <ScottK> juancarlospaco: Ask on #kde as the answer won't be Kubuntu specific.
[03:13] <juancarlospaco> all sleeping it seems, thanks anyways ScottK   :P
[03:16] <ScottK> Riddell: Umbrello wasn't split from umbrello (debian/changelog), debian/source/lintian-overrides seems a bit odd.  The rest seems fine.
[03:16] <juancarlospaco> its a programming question anyways
[03:18] <ScottK> OK, #kde-devel
[04:15] <ScottK> Riddell: For okteta, once again, it wasn't split from okteta (debian/changelog), source/lintian-overrides is probably obsolete, otherwise good.
[04:17] <ScottK> Riddell: Shouldn't umbrello-dbg depend on umbrello?
[04:17] <ScottK> (it's suggests now, which I think is a left over from before the split)
[05:18] <ScottK> Riddell: lokalize has the same odd debian/changelog entry.  Also the same question about lokalize-dbg and depends/lintian override
[05:58] <ScottK> Riddell: Your scripting definitely could use some work (debian/copyright for kuser begins: This package was packaged by Jonathan Riddell<EMAIL_ADDRESS>on).
[05:58] <ScottK> kuser at least knows what package it was split from.
[06:01] <ScottK> kuser has the same debhelper version issue as kppp as well as the -dbg depends/suggests issue.
[06:38] <ScottK> Riddell: kteatime has the debhelper version issue, the debian/changelog split from issue, as well as the -dbg suggests/depends issue.
[08:42] <Esokrates> hi, I have heared Kde 4.11 landed in saucy proposed. This does not mean the daily builds contain 4.11, does it? How to get an image with Kde 4.11 installed?
[09:17] <soee> good morning
[09:18] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:20] <yofel> soee: good morning.
[09:21] <yofel> I'm almost there, I just need to finally get okular built *-.-
[09:21] <soee> ;D
[09:26] <yofel> Search pattern not terminated at /home/buildd/.sbuildrc line 10.
[09:26] <yofel> yaaaaay
[09:26] <yofel> broken builders again
[09:31] <soee> so its not okular itself
[09:31] <soee> ?
[09:32] <yofel> well, it shouldn't be. But until I catch a good builder I won't know
[09:32] <yofel> meh, menkib again
[09:35] <soee> good builder ? and what exactly such builder do ?
[09:36] <yofel> soee: http://paste.kde.org/780482/ - line 104 is where it fails
[09:37] <yofel> ok, now it's building on lawrencium
[09:38] <Esokrates> @ one of the devs: I have heared Kde 4.11 landed in saucy proposed. This does not mean the daily builds contain 4.11, does it? How to get an image with Kde 4.11 installed?
[09:40] <yofel> Esokrates: for it to end up on the images it first need to get moved from proposed to release (stuck on some arm build issues I believe). Once that's done it'll be on the next daily build image
[09:40] <yofel> so currently we don't have an image with 4.11 yet
[09:42] <Esokrates> thank you for clarification
[10:27] <soee> kdegraphics now > :)
[10:27] <yofel> yeah, that needed a few trieds too -.-
[10:27] <yofel> *tries
[11:13] <soee> ;]
[11:13] <Quintasan> lel
[11:15] <yofel> almost there...
[11:16] <Quintasan> argh
[11:16] <Quintasan> can't go on
[11:16] <Quintasan> must sleep
[11:16]  * Quintasan hits the sack
[11:19] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:21] <yofel> hi BluesKaj
[11:21] <BluesKaj> hey yofel
[11:22] <yofel> soee: you can almost touch it ^^ https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta/+packages?field.series_filter=raring&batch=200
[11:22] <soee> almost ? sounds scary
[11:28] <soee> yofel, when will beta backports ppa work so i can do upgarde ?
[11:29] <yofel> ask launchpad's publisher... in a few minutes I guess. L10N is still missing, that will follow in an ~hour
[11:29] <yofel> btw, you're *supposed* to see this:
[11:29] <yofel> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[11:29] <yofel>   kmahjongg-data libaudiocdplugins4 libkdegamesprivate1 libkdgantt2 libkmahjongglib-data nepomuk-core tasks-icons
[11:30] <vHanda> :O nepomuk-core
[11:30] <yofel> replaced by nepomuk-core-runtime
[11:30] <yofel> maybe a transitional package would make that less scary...
[11:30] <vHanda> why would you rename it to nepomuk-core-runtime?
[11:31] <yofel> debian named it that way, and we got that with the package merge
[11:32] <vHanda> yofel: so, application have a compile time dependency on nepomuk-core-RUNTIME?
[11:32] <vHanda> that makes complete sense!
[11:34] <yofel> well, usually -runtime is for runtime stuff like binaries and plugins, though here we have libnepomukcommand libnepomukextractor too, so don't ask me..
[11:34] <yofel> *common
[11:35] <vHanda> urgh
[11:35] <vHanda> debian
[11:36] <soee> yofel, a lot of new packages is going to be installed to right ?
[11:36] <yofel> yeah
[11:36] <yofel> brrrrrrrrr
[11:36] <yofel> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-workspace-bin_4%3a4.10.80-0ubuntu1~ubuntu13.04~ppa1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[11:36] <yofel>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/services/kded/appmenu.desktop', which is also in package kde-window-manager-common 4:4.10.4-0ubuntu0.1
[11:36] <vHanda> I normally wouldn't care less, cause it's debian, but if you guys are following the same package names, then I'll have people coming to me asking about these packages
[11:36] <vHanda> and why they are split
[11:36] <soee> yofel, during upgrade this error ?
[11:37] <yofel> yeah
[11:37] <yofel> and
[11:37] <yofel> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libanalitzaplot5_4%3a4.10.80-0ubuntu1~ubuntu13.04~ppa1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[11:37] <yofel>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/apps/libanalitza/plots/basic_curves.plots', which is also in package libanalitzaplot4 4:4.10.4-0ubuntu0.1
[11:37] <yofel> *sigh
[11:37] <yofel> *
[11:37] <yofel> we need libanalitza-data
[11:38] <soee> ok so ill wait a bit with upgrade :)
[11:38] <BluesKaj> odd , muon won't open the software sources...I have duplicate sources according to apt , but I don't see any in /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:39] <yofel> maybe it's in sources.list AND in some file in sources.list.d ?
[11:39]  * yofel off for half an hour, will fix the beta then
[12:02] <soee> hot .. :<
[12:25] <yofel> Riddell: can you please upload cervisia from bzr to saucy? (or maybe ScottK can reject the current upload and you can merge the changes and re-upload ubuntu1)
[12:32] <soee> i manage to fix the kded problem using the solusion they mentioned in the bug report page :)
[12:33] <soee> removing one file - so simple :)
[12:33] <yofel> what was the issue actually?
[12:34] <soee> yofel, kded process eating whole free memory on old HP laptop
[12:34] <yofel> and why?
[12:36] <soee> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=271934#c72
[12:37] <soee> the powerdevil.desktop file
[12:38] <yofel> interesting...
[12:40]  * yofel copies l10n while waiting for kde-workspace
[12:57] <soee> yofel, the red ones not marked as failed to build arent any serius problem >
[12:57] <soee> ?
[12:58] <yofel> they're fine, that's just symbol differences because raring has older libraries
[12:59] <soee> can you explain what are "symbols" as i read it a lot here ?
[13:00] <yofel> it's how a library encodes the code functions it provides.
[13:00] <yofel> run for example "nm -D /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.5"
[13:00] <yofel> that shows besides others _ZZN6KSocks13KSocksPrivate9debugAreaEvE6s_area
[13:01] <yofel> decoded (c++filt), that's KSocks::KSocksPrivate::debugArea()::s_area
[13:03] <soee> so library this way stores info about all function it has ?
[13:04] <yofel> right, and a binary is only linked (that's what ldd shows) to all libraries that have the functions it uses. The binary only knows the symbol it needs, but not the actual binary address in the library where that method is at.
[13:04] <yofel> so it looks in the libraries it's linked to for the symbol it needs and then knows where to find the code for it
[13:05] <yofel> we keep static symbol tables in the packages, so when a symbol is missing we can fix that. (Because if an application that needs the symbol tries to use it in the new lib it'll crash with a symbol lookup error)
[13:07] <yofel> if a developer intentionally removes a public function from a lib, he has to change the SOVERSION. That's why libanalitza.so.4 is now called libanalitza.so.5
[13:07] <yofel> that way applications that need the old symbols can keep using version 4, and applications that need the new lib can use version 5
[13:09] <soee> hmm but if such public function is removed from library library changes version ? so than application that are using such removed fucntion will use old version of library ?
[13:10] <yofel> right
[13:10] <soee> that leads to situation when we have libraries with different versions in system ?
[13:10] <soee> than might be different only by one function ?
[13:11] <yofel> yeah, because if your application needs that one function in the new lib, it'll crash
[13:15] <soee> do the system knows when to remove libraries that are not used by any app? so if we remove application that used library with version 4 and it is not used anymore (only v .5) the unused library wont stay on our system?
[13:18] <yofel> as long as the package isn't marked as 'manually installed', if no application depends on the library anymore it will be removed by apt-get autoremove
[13:30] <soee> yofel, ok thank you for the explanation :D
[13:44] <Mamarok> why does the the device notfier open Konqueror instead of Dolphin now?
[13:44] <Mamarok> and where can I change that globally?
[13:45] <BluesKaj> systemsettings>default apps
[13:46] <Mamarok> yep, found it. But why is Konqueror on the top of the list there? Shouldn't Dolphin be default?
[13:47] <yofel> what OS and KDE version?
[13:47] <Mamarok> 13.04, KDE 4.10.4
[13:47] <Mamarok> fresh install with the Raring CD, then upgraded
[13:48] <yofel> o.O
[13:48] <yofel> true, it's like that here too...
[13:48] <Mamarok> so there is really no reason why Konqueror is set as default
[13:49] <Mamarok> regression
[13:49] <yofel> well, the first thing is the default, but why is konqueror up there
[13:49] <yofel> in saucy/4.10.80 dolphin is on top
[13:49] <Mamarok> yeah, doesn't make much sense
[13:49]  * yofel makes a VM
[13:49] <Mamarok> I only found that today, but the last KDE upgrade was 4.10.4
[13:50] <Mamarok> I don't think I changed anything in there recently, pretty much a vanmilla Raring
[13:50] <Mamarok> -m
[13:50] <yofel> it happens here too, so that's most likely not your fault
[13:50] <Mamarok> do you wnat a bug report for that?
[13:54] <soee> o, yofel all raring are ready again >
[13:54] <yofel> please, so it's not forgotten, but file it against kubuntu-ppa
[13:54] <yofel> ScottK: ^
[13:56] <yofel> soee: I just uploaded a kate fix, hopefully that's the last thing...
[13:56] <yofel> no -.-
[13:56]  * yofel fixes kdesdk-thumbnailers
[13:57] <Mamarok> gah, I so hate Launchpad: how do I file a new bug again?
[13:57] <Mamarok> why is there not a button "enter a new bug"
[13:58] <Mamarok> nvm, found it
[13:58] <yofel> Mamarok: https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+filebug
[14:00] <Mamarok> any specific tags I should add?
[14:00] <yofel> none
[14:01] <Mamarok> bug 1193631
[14:01] <yofel> thanks!
[14:04] <soee> yofel, ok i think now i can try upgrade
[14:04] <yofel> well, you will hit problems
[14:04] <yofel> but nothing that install -f won't fix
[14:04] <soee> uhm
[14:05] <yofel> kate and kdesdk-thumbnailers have pending fixes
[14:05] <smartboyhw> How's everyone?
[14:05] <yofel> eager to finally use 4.10.80 on raring ^^
[14:05] <soee> ;]
[14:07] <smartboyhw> yofel, :)
[14:07] <soee> than ill wait to do it when all is fine
[14:07] <yofel> meh, I forgot to upload networkmanagement and the digikam rebuild
[14:07]  * yofel does that now
[14:10] <smartboyhw> yofel, you are still doing 4.10.4 SRU right?
[14:11] <yofel> ah, that's ready for testing in -proposed. Though Mamarok just hit bug 1193631 which needs to be looked at
[14:11] <smartboyhw> Oopsie.......
[14:11] <smartboyhw> How come?:P
[14:12] <yofel> want to debug it? I would appreciate it ^^
[14:13] <smartboyhw> yofel, no thanks, been tired already:P GIve me some rest.
[14:14] <yofel> sure, you helped a lot the last few days
[14:14] <smartboyhw> I will come back for 4.10.81 no worries:)
[14:29] <soee> g+ is slow for you also ?
[14:37] <yofel> not any slower or faster than usual here
[14:38] <ScottK> I still get dolphin here.
[14:38] <ScottK> yofel: ^^^
[14:39] <yofel> hm.........
[15:04] <soee> yofel,
[15:05] <soee> http://pastebin.com/MptNYLU0
[15:07] <yofel> can you recreate that with LANG=C apt-get ?
[15:18] <soee> ? :)
[15:18] <yofel> my polish isn't good enough to undestand that paste ^^
[15:19] <soee> im upgrading to 4.10.80, im not usre if it is related dist upgrade or other not related packages, but it says: kontact depends on tasks-icons; but:
[15:19] <smartboyhw> tasks-icons is not-installable?
[15:19] <smartboyhw> :P
[15:19] <soee> Package tasks-icons is marked to be removed.
[15:19] <smartboyhw> soee, :O
[15:20] <smartboyhw> ...
[15:20] <yofel> ah, that's probably "removing anyway as you requested" or so
[15:20] <yofel> that's fine
[15:20] <yofel> what's not fine is that kde-base-artwork just got happily removed here
[15:21] <yofel> it has no rdepends :O
[15:21] <soee> yofel, just finished
[15:22] <smartboyhw> soee, tasks-icons doesn't exist in 4.10.80 kdepim source package, you are correct.
[15:22] <soee> no other messages or errors that look strange
[15:22] <soee> smartboyhw, what tast-icons has to do with kdepim ?
[15:22] <soee> im not to familiar with this dependencies
[15:23] <yofel> it was a package for some of the kdepim icons
[15:23] <yofel> it's gone as debian put them somewhere else
[15:23] <soee> ok so i think i rebbot now
[15:23] <yofel> good luck, though you shouldn't need it ^^
[15:23] <soee> brb
[15:24] <yofel> Riddell: did you intentionally drop the dependency of kde-workspace on kde-base-artwork? If yes we'll have to add that to kubuntu-desktop or so
[15:25] <yofel> otherwise there's no ksplash
[15:25] <yofel> (it was dropped during the merge)
[15:28] <soee> back
[15:28] <soee> all works fine :)
[15:34] <soee> shadows chenge i think
[15:34] <soee> not sure if my current settings were overwritten on is this because i switched to opengl 3.1
[16:06] <yofel> ok, there's one issue left to look at, being kamoso getting removed with 4.10.80 but I'll leave that for later
[16:07] <yofel> !testers | 4.11 beta1 (4.10.80) ready in kubuntu-ppa/beta for raring. Enjoy ;)
[16:07] <soee> tested already :)
[16:09] <soee> yofel, i see kamoso is installed here
[16:09] <soee> so it was not removed during upgrade
[16:09] <yofel> there is one conflicting package
[16:13] <yofel>  plasma-runners-addons : Breaks: kamoso (< 2.0.2+) but 2.0.2-1ubuntu3 is installed.
[16:14] <soee> ah i have not plasma-runners-addons installed
[16:29] <Mamarok> yofel: cool, downloading now :)
[16:32] <Mamarok> hm, apparently half of the packages are held back: http://paste.kde.org/780638/
[16:33] <yofel> hm, another thing to look into
[16:33] <yofel> dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von /var/cache/apt/archives/kdesdk-scripts_4%3a4.10.80-0ubuntu1~ubuntu13.04~ppa1_all.deb (--unpack):
[16:33] <yofel>  Versuch, »/usr/bin/svn-clean« zu überschreiben, welches auch in Paket subversion-tools 1.7.5-1ubuntu3 ist
[16:33] <Mamarok> 161 packages held back
[16:33] <Mamarok> a bit too much
[16:33] <yofel> Mamarok: upgrade or dist-upgrade?
[16:33] <yofel> you need dist-upgrade
[16:34] <Mamarok> why? I didn't change a distro version
[16:34] <Mamarok> seems that is still som mistery I don't udnerstand
[16:34] <Mamarok> some*
[16:34] <yofel> upgrade doesn't allow apt to *remove* packages, dist-upgrade does (and the packaging is from another distro version in theory...)
[16:35] <Mamarok> oh, thanks for the explanation :)
[16:35] <Mamarok> yep, this time it only wants to remove 15 packages, but installs all the others
[16:36]  * yofel off shopping, bbl
[16:36] <Mamarok> btw, there still is something weird on my system: the konsole is in German despite the system being in English, I only installed the language, but didn't change the system language
[16:37] <yofel> same here one my work notebook, need some time to look into that
[16:37] <Mamarok> German is only there as a fallback language
[16:37] <Mamarok> ok, so I don't have to file a bug for that?
[16:38] <soee> can someone confirm that amarok crashes now ?
[16:39] <Mamarok> soee: known, and already fixed in git, we will release a beta next week
[16:39] <soee> Mamarok, ok thank you
[16:40] <Mamarok> if only the plasma devs would actually test their changes instead of just pushing stuff out and let the users do the quality testing...
[16:43] <Mamarok> they do zero applications testing, sadly :(
[16:47] <soee> :/
[17:04] <lordievader> yofel: Installing 4.11b went fine, however when I try to login I get a black screen with a cursor. Currently my Saucy install has the same problem.
[17:36] <ScottK> Riddell: ksystemlog has the -dbg depends issue and the "packaged by Jonathan Riddell<EMAIL_ADDRESS>issue, as well as the debhelper version issue. Other than that, good, so accepting.
[17:40] <ScottK> Riddell: Except for not having the problem in debian/copyright, krdc is the same.
[17:58] <yofel> lordievader: is kde-base-artwork still installed?
[18:00] <lordievader> yofel: Yes, it is at the newest version.
[18:01] <yofel> hm... at least I can say that I can get the same thing
[18:01] <lordievader> It is installed on Saucy, let me check if the Raring install also has it installed.
[18:03] <lordievader> yofel: Yes also on Raring is the kde-base-artwork package installed.
[18:04] <yofel> lordievader: black screen with cursor and plasma appears after that or it doesn't?
[18:05] <lordievader> Only a black screen with a cursor, no plasma whatsoever.  I thought we didn't use hupnp?
[18:11] <Quintasan> Why aren't we?
[18:12] <BluesKaj> ok ,well i have to change OSs then
[18:12] <yofel> lordievader: I can't really see what's wrong there... folder permissions correct?
[18:12] <yofel> Quintasan: last I remember the argument was that it's crap
[18:12] <BluesKaj> BBL
[18:12] <Quintasan> it's true thougj
[18:12] <Quintasan> yofel: We should remove upnp plugin for amarok then
[18:12] <yofel> yeah, we don't use it in kdelibs either
[18:13] <Quintasan> christ
[18:13] <yofel> Mamarok: what does amarok need upnp for?
[18:13] <soee> whats the page with kde 4.11 bugs ?
[18:13] <Quintasan> yofel: Apparently you can stream music to amarok from upnp server
[18:13] <Mamarok> yofel: what a strange question :)
[18:13] <Mamarok> for upnp support
[18:13] <Quintasan> but that does not work without that stupid kio-slave
[18:13] <yofel> soee: software bugs please use help->report bug, packaging stuff http://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa
[18:14] <yofel> aah, ok
[18:14]  * yofel isn't much of a upnp user
[18:14] <Quintasan> Mamarok: Truth be told this library is so crap I'm not sure we want to include that
[18:14] <Quintasan> I have no idea how other distros built the kioslave
[18:15] <Mamarok> hm, what do other distros ship?
[18:15] <Mamarok> or is upnp support completely broken in KDE?
[18:15] <Quintasan> Mamarok: I have like no idea? The Amarok wiki states "The UPnP feature depends on KDE's UPnP media server support."
[18:15] <Mamarok> yes, we just use what KDE provides
[18:15] <Quintasan> Mamarok: Khaytsus on #amarok told me it uses kioslave
[18:16] <lordievader> yofel: The permissions seem to be correct (700), is there a log I can look through for a clue?
[18:16] <Mamarok> does it?
[18:16] <Quintasan> namely kio-upnp-ms
[18:16] <Quintasan> which didn't have a release in three years
[18:16] <Quintasan> and uses libhupnp which didn't have a release in two years
[18:16] <yofel> lordievader: possibly enable more debug information in kdebugdialog, other than that not sure...  I answer
[18:32] <markey> Amarok screwed something up, I hear?
[18:32] <yofel> kde 4.10.80 talk
[18:32] <Mamarok> markey: not technically, no, we just use an obsolete library apparently
[18:33] <soee> i was disconnected, did my 2 previous question were here ?
[18:33] <markey> soee: no
[18:33] <yofel> soee: last thing that arrived was you asking where to file 4.11 bugs
[18:34] <soee> ok than, <soee> system should know what opengl version is available ?
[18:34] <yofel> AFAIK kwin should use whatever's available
[18:35] <yofel> so if 3.1 can't be used it'll use 2.0 or lower
[18:36] <soee> ok the black screen window content after changing some effect settings occures only when opengl > 1.2 is set i think
[18:38] <Quintasan> toplel
[18:38] <Quintasan> yofel: installing libhupnp-dev still doesnt help kdelibs detecting that
[18:38] <Quintasan> xD
[18:40] <BluesKaj> yofel .kde-4.10.80 , is this correct ?
[18:41] <Quintasan> ehhh
[18:41] <Quintasan> markey: I'm just wondering
[18:42] <Quintasan> markey: If there are any plans for rewriting upnp support
[18:42] <Quintasan> Since currently kdelibs use libupnp
[18:42] <Quintasan> I can't even get 4.10.4 to detect the headers for that
[18:42] <Quintasan> and the kio-slave for upnp which is apparently used
[18:42] <Quintasan> depends in libhupnp as well and is 3 years old at least
[18:42] <BluesKaj> that's what I have installed after adding the beta ppa and udating and upgrading ...didt-upgrade wants to remobe kubuntu-desktop so i aborted
[18:42] <Quintasan> with no development
[18:43] <Quintasan> TBH the situation sucks
[18:43] <Quintasan> since even if we had the hupnp library in main pocket it won't even get picked up by kdelibs
[18:43] <BluesKaj> dist upgrade wants to remove kubuntu-desktop , rather
[18:43] <BluesKaj> yofel,^
[18:44] <Quintasan> BluesKaj: This is a metapackge
[18:44] <Quintasan> I think it should be safe to remove it
[18:45] <BluesKaj> Quintasan, this is what is to be removed , and it looks dangerous to me .kde-window-manager kde-workspace ktouchpadenabler kubuntu-desktop libaudiocdplugins4 libkdgantt2 nepomuk-core
[18:46]  * vHanda waves at the alert
[18:46] <BluesKaj> window-manager is safe to remove ?, I don't think so
[18:46] <Quintasan> LOLOLOLOLOL
[18:46] <Quintasan> yofel: CMAKE LOG
[18:46] <Quintasan> IS KILLING ME
[18:46] <Quintasan> >-- To have UPnP support, explicitly enable HUPNP_ENABLED in the cmake cache
[18:46] <Quintasan> wat
[18:46] <Quintasan> wat
[18:46] <Quintasan> BluesKaj: I though it just wants to remove the metapackage
[18:47] <Quintasan> oh my god
[18:47] <Quintasan> this is hillarious
[18:47] <Quintasan> markey: this is making me even more worried about the upnp state
[18:47]  * BluesKaj refrains from dist-upgrade at this time.
[18:48] <BluesKaj> ok back to saucy
[18:49] <Mamarok> Quintasan: but isn't the problem in KDE rather than in Amarok?
[18:49] <Mamarok> We just use what is provided
[18:49] <Quintasan> Mamarok: It is but I have no idea who to talk about since Amarok seems to be the only user of that
[18:49] <Mamarok> so nobody else uses UPnP?
[18:50] <Quintasan> no other kde apps use that I believe
[18:50] <Mamarok> cause there is no other KDE app that needs streaming over the network, but UPnP is needed by pretty much every media player nowadays
[18:51] <Mamarok> maybe apachelogger knows more about?
[18:51] <Quintasan> Maybe
[18:51] <Quintasan> I just wanted to play some music from my PC which is running XBMC
[18:51] <Mamarok> first the DAAP support disappears, now UPnP, that is not a good state of KDE, seriously :(
[18:52] <Mamarok> those are technologies that every decent media player needs
[18:52] <Quintasan> Mamarok: Well, UPnP didnt disappear, it's just shady at least
[18:52] <Mamarok> people have NAS' at home with UPnP, how on earth can we use that if the base doesn't provide it?
[18:53] <Quintasan> Mamarok: kdelibs ask me to EXPLICITLY enable hupnp support even if the library is there
[18:53] <Mamarok> shouldn't that be worked on by the solid folks?
[18:53] <Quintasan> it doesnt do that for other optional dependencies
[18:53] <Quintasan> and to top it the library is veeeeeery old
[18:53] <Quintasan> and the kioslave is unmaintained
[18:54] <Mamarok> I think a mail to kde-devel is in order to raise awareness of the sorry state of these libraries
[18:54] <Mamarok> I am rpetty sure many are totally unaware that KDE needs to provide support for that
[18:55] <Quintasan> I'm going to wait for Harald's input on that
[18:55] <Quintasan> maybe I'm doing it wrong but that's the only clue I've got
[18:55] <markey> I don't follow. what's  the problem, and what is the correct fix for this problem, Quintasan?
[18:55] <Mamarok> and I am sure that the plasma mediacenter certainly will need UPnP support as well
[18:55] <Mamarok> they are just not in a very advanced state right now
[18:55] <Quintasan> markey: PROBLEM: UPnP support sucks
[18:56] <Quintasan> or maybe not
[18:56] <markey> well, then remove it
[18:56] <Quintasan> thing is
[18:56] <Quintasan> It's kind of shady
[18:56] <Mamarok> markey: it's not Amarok's problem, I am sure the problem is the kio slave
[18:56] <lordievader> yofel: I think I have found the cause of my problem, in the desktop effects the render was wrongly selected. It was set to OpenGL2, which wasnt supported appeareantly. Setting it to XRender and rebooting allows me to login like normal.
[18:56] <markey> we do not want shady. we do want to provide a great experience to our users
[18:56] <lordievader> yofel: Shall I report this bug to kwin?
[18:56] <Quintasan> markey: Yes, the problem begins here
[18:57] <Quintasan> markey: AFAIK Amarok uses what KDE provides, and kdelibs have upnp support using libhupnp
[18:57] <Quintasan> and the way it does it really makes me wonder
[18:58] <markey> ok. remove it if it doesn't work right.
[18:58] <Quintasan> since you have to install the development headers and then explicitly tell kdelibs you want it, by changing a cmake flag, that's not done for other optional dependencies
[18:58] <Mamarok> I think we need to take this to kde-devel@, cause the kdelibs people need to look at it
[18:59] <markey> noone is interested in development headers.
[18:59] <markey> make it work or remove it.
[18:59] <Mamarok> markey: shut up, you are drunk
[18:59] <Quintasan> to top is off I was told Amarok uses kio-slave for upnp which is currently unmaintained
[19:00] <Quintasan> Well, I'm going to recompile kdelibs now and see how that works
[19:00] <Mamarok> Quintasan: I am not sure we really do, the UPnP support was brought in by a SoC student, and he used what was available at that time
[19:00] <Mamarok> so I think we really should talk to the kdelibs people about that
[19:01] <Quintasan> Mamarok: Well, yeah, what got me wondering is the strange way of enabling the upnp support in kdelibs
[19:01] <Quintasan> just that
[19:01] <Quintasan> to me it felt like "You really don't want to have this enabled automatically just by headers being there"
[19:01] <Mamarok> that was probably a quick hack and the person who did it never touched it again
[19:02] <Mamarok> cause nobody complained to them, they complain to us
[19:02] <Mamarok> and I don't know who wrote that kio slave
[19:02] <Quintasan> Well, I'd like to hear what apachelogger has to say.
[19:02] <Quintasan> Before I start doing anything
[19:03] <Mamarok> yep
[19:03] <Quintasan> Plus I've yet to try that since I have to recompile kdelibs first
[19:03] <Quintasan> If it works then I will probably do MIR for libhupnp so we can have that enabled by default
[19:04] <Mamarok> oh, that kio slave was written by nsm, the same GSoC student who did the implementation in Amarok
[19:04] <Quintasan> I see.
[19:04] <Mamarok> Nikhil Marathe
[19:06] <yofel> lordievader: yes please, it's fine if it can't use opengl, but then it should please not stick to it
[19:09] <yofel> now where was I...
[19:12] <BluesKaj> yofel, I eneded up with kde-4.10.8
[19:12] <lordievader> Same here. KDE 4.10.80
[19:13] <yofel> I'm not sure it would want to remove kubuntu-desktop for you
[19:13] <yofel> if you ever encounter that again please pastebin what aptitude full-upgrade shows as proposal
[19:13] <BluesKaj> it does
[19:14] <BluesKaj> and kde-window-manager etc
[19:14] <yofel> it should remove kde-window-manager-gles as far as I remember
[19:15] <BluesKaj> nope it wants to remove just plain kde-window-manager
[19:15] <yofel> that sounds wrong
[19:15] <BluesKaj> so i aborted the dist-upgrade
[19:16] <BluesKaj> ok , I'll go back to raing and pastebin the line
[19:20] <BluesKaj> yofel, dist-upgrade wants to remove this : kde-window-manager kde-workspace ktouchpadenabler kubuntu-desktop libaudiocdplugins4 libkdgantt2 nepomuk-core
[19:21] <yofel> please pastebin the full output of aptitude full-upgrade until the point where it wants to apply the changes
[19:22] <ScottK> FYI, I put a block on kde4libs saucy-proposed -> saucy transition so none of 4.10.80 migrates until we're all ready.
[19:24] <BluesKaj> yofel, i don't use aptitude , and apt-get full-upgrade is invalid
[19:24] <yofel> apt-get is complete junk when it comes to debug dependency issues, aptitude at least says what the actual issue is
[19:30] <yofel> BluesKaj: could you install aptitude? if not, maybe you could try to selectively upgrade only kde-workspace and see what it wants to do then
[19:30] <BluesKaj> yofel, http://pastebin.com/NEkz0tZy
[19:31] <BluesKaj> yeah yofel , installed aptitude
[19:31] <yofel> that's interesting
[19:31] <yofel> BluesKaj: thanks, this helps a lot
[19:33] <yofel> I would bet on
[19:33] <yofel>  libgles2-mesa : Depends: libglapi-mesa (= 9.1.3-0ubuntu0.3) but 9.2.0~git20130301.58bd926d-0ubuntu0sarvatt is installed.
[19:33] <yofel> being the problem, as kde-window-manager now also ships the gles version
[19:36] <lordievader> yofel: Is KDE 4.10.80 the same as 4.11 beta?
[19:37] <yofel> 4.10.80 is the technical version of 4.11 beta 1
[19:38] <lordievader> Ah ok, thank you.
[19:38] <yofel> 4.10.9X are the RC's
[19:38] <yofel> usually
[19:41] <lordievader> Very usefull infomation :)
[19:58] <lordievader> yofel: Does Kubuntu use color correction? My blackscreen bug was marked a duplicate the comment I got was that the color correction caused the black screen.
[19:59] <lordievader> This is the bug report: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=321504
[19:59]  * yofel doesn't know much about color correction
[19:59] <yofel> we do have colord though
[20:01] <lordievader> Oh hey, under Desktop Effects -> Advanced -> OpenGL Options there is an 'Enable color correction'. It is ticked and greyed out...
[20:02] <yofel> grey because your current compositing mode doesn't support it
[20:02] <yofel> but that's not ticked here
[20:02] <yofel> on none of my systems
[20:03]  * yofel isn't sure what the default is
[20:03] <lordievader> Oh well it matters not, I got both my systems working again :D
[20:27] <BluesKaj> think the default is unchecked , because I don't recall ever checking it
[20:28] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Neither do I, however here it is checked.
[20:38] <ahoneybun> Quintasan: how is KDE Telepathy going?
[20:38] <Quintasan> ahoneybun: in saucy
[20:38] <ahoneybun> Quintasan: I mean development and all? cool new features coming in for saucy?
[20:39] <Quintasan> ahoneybun: I'm not a developer of ktp, I have no idea
[20:39] <ahoneybun> Quintasan: just wondering :)
[20:40] <lordievader> Hey ahoneybun, how are you?
[20:40] <ahoneybun> lordievader: tired but fine, yourself?
[20:41] <lordievader> ahoneybun: I'm doing good.
[20:41] <ahoneybun> good
[20:41] <lordievader> :)
[20:44] <Quintasan> sahfsajhf;jdhawjfjf
[20:44] <Quintasan> knetattach why you suck so much
[20:50] <apachelogger> Quintasan: not having read the massive backlog... as it is right now there is no actual upnp in kde
[20:50] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Are we going to get it any time?
[20:51] <apachelogger> kf5 > phonon5 > upnp middleware spec & enablement
[20:51] <apachelogger> so, at some point :P
[20:52] <apachelogger> Quintasan: "EXPLICITLY enable hupnp support even if the library is there" ... you want afiestas_'s opinion
[20:53] <apachelogger> but if it works for amarok I suppose it's worth it
[20:53] <apachelogger> also you cannot SRU that
[20:53] <apachelogger> SRUs cannot introduce new deps
[20:53] <Quintasan> well
[20:53] <Quintasan> even though I did recompile the kdelibs with upnp
[20:53] <Quintasan> the kioslave was broken
[20:53] <Quintasan> or the libupnp is
[20:54] <yofel> fun, thought I would debug the opengl issues on my eeePC by making a new user. Now that doesn't even log in but hangs mid-ksplash -.-
[20:54] <apachelogger> sounds like the last state I saw it in :P
[20:54]  * apachelogger has a massive headache -.-
[20:59] <soee> facbook widget almost killed my system \o/
[21:00] <BluesKaj> who the hell would want a facebook widget /\?:)
[21:01] <soee> i was testing widgets on 4.10.80
[21:01] <BluesKaj> don't waste time on that one
[21:29] <ScottK> Riddell: In kompare, debian/copyright says GPL 2+ while at least the filess I checked say GPL 2 or 3 or what KDE.ev approves, which isn't the same thing.  This should be fixed (but I think is not reject worthy since 2+ and 2/3 currently resolve to the same licenses).  Other than that, the only thing I see is the now standard issue with -dbg depends and lintian overrides.


[07:18] <Guest808> hi all, how switch mate-netbook for panels as Ubuntu MATE on other distros?
[07:18] <Guest808> i have already installed mate-netbook package but i have no mate-tweak.
[07:18] <Guest808> any way to do this manually?
[07:31] <alkisg> Sure, apt install mate-tweak


[05:51] <lotuspsychje> morning guys
[06:19] <ducasse> morning!
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> need to go work again
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> laterz ducasse :p
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> have fun
[19:21] <pepee> http://worldwidemann.com/the-sad-state-of-linux-download-security/  ubuntu doesn't even offer https.
[19:26] <daftykins> are you the one that came to speak about that one Christmas?
[19:28] <pepee> I don't think so
[19:28] <ducasse> this old chestnut again...
[19:29] <daftykins> ducasse: indeed
[19:29] <daftykins> there's not enough tinfoil in all the world
[19:29] <pepee> what's wrong with that?
[19:32] <ducasse> *crickets*
[19:36] <OerHeks> pepee, that url does not even offer https..
[19:36] <pepee> yeah, well, they don't need it
[19:36] <OerHeks> That would be exactly your answer too.
[19:36] <pepee> it's a blog, not a big corporation offering OSes for free
[19:37] <ducasse> research the issue a bit, and you'll understand why it's a non-issue
[19:37] <pepee> because of the gpg signatures?
[19:38] <pepee> do you think everyone will check them?
[19:39] <daftykins> if your argument is that the site could be compromised, then the hashes could be too
[19:39] <daftykins> but if you really care, run something else
[19:39] <pepee> I should publish this conversation
[19:40] <pepee> ironically, canonical offered (offers?) cloud services
[19:43] <pepee> btw, my guess is that you think I'm attacking ubuntu here, or something. I'm not... I'm just saying that canonical could offer downloads over https. how is that bad?
[19:43] <mwd> they /could/ offer drone deliveries of ubuntu dvds as well
[19:44] <mwd> if your argument is that "nobody checks gpg signatures", you can just as well argue "everybody clicks through to accept invalid TLS certs"
[19:45] <pepee> oh yeah, let's go to extreme arguments to defend ourselves
[19:45] <pepee> by that logic, canonical could offer free energy to everyone, too
[19:45] <pepee> also, I remember a time when canonical sent CDs for free ;)
[19:46] <pepee> mwd, I don't think everybody who uses ubuntu would accept invalid certs
[19:46] <Bashing-om> Back in the day .. they almost did - drone - . My 1st re-install ( 9.04 (k)ubuntu )) canonical sent me the disk by mail ( 4 days !) for free .
[19:46] <pepee> or even most people...
[19:47] <OerHeks> i have them allmost complete up to 14.04
[19:49] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: Uh Huh ... I still have the 6.06 DVD - note the out of sequence number .. the only release not done on time !
[19:49] <daftykins> pepee: This is a publically logged channel, it is already published. The mistakes you make are that no, we do not see it as an attack on the distribution - but a waste of time. The second mistake you make is thinking any of us have official ties to Canonical.
[19:50] <daftykins> nobody here is defending, because nobody here is responsible
[19:50] <pepee> I assumed you don't
[19:50] <mwd> pepee, consider a side effect of using TLS for image delivey, which is that some users will decide that "since it used TLS, it's secure" and forego the GPG check. That is, they'll trust the mirror ... which is probably a Bad Thing
[19:50] <pepee> I can type /whois
[19:50] <pepee> still, this is #ubuntu-discuss
[19:51] <daftykins> pepee: except you did that after, since you made the mistake in earlier comments.
[19:52] <pepee> I did?
[19:52] <daftykins> pepee: the last time this topic came up, i thought "yeah, why not https the mirrors?" and passed it on to a staffer... but they confirmed the thought we all had, there are many mirrors out there who host the ubuntu images - they would have to set it up too, so it'd be a lot of work and so unlikely to happen apparently
[19:53] <ducasse> besides, it's recommended to use torrents for image downloads
[19:53] <pepee> mwd, err, you are saying that security-minded people don't trust the site now, but they can check has gpg sigs... but then, they would trust it if it used https? I don't think so, tbh. if they are security minded, they would know what to do.
[19:53] <mwd> the security minded check the GPG sig and move on
[19:54] <pepee> ducasse, true, I was going to say that, the blog post doesn't even mention torrents
[19:54] <pepee> mwd, exactly
[19:54] <mwd> so TLS does not change their workflow
[19:55] <mwd> but it encourages the less security oriented to trust mirrors
[19:55] <mwd> well, may encourage. i can't predict people exactly
[19:55] <pepee> daftykins, there is let's encrypt now
[19:56] <pepee> that makes it easy to setup https automatically. so why not?
[19:56] <mwd> LE updates itself with newer versions as root
[19:56] <ducasse> https all the things!
[19:56] <mwd> there are a lot of people who are not very comfortable with that
[19:57] <daftykins> pepee: i don't think you quite consider the implications here, so i shall pin this on naivety and walk away.
[19:57] <pepee> ok
[19:58] <daftykins> enjoy arguing things with the wrong people over the wrong medium than that which can bring about change.
[19:58] <pepee> which is?
[19:58] <pepee> someone told me to come to this channel
[19:59] <ducasse> tls has its own problems
[19:59] <mwd> he didn't say that ubuntu management was here waiting for your feedback
[20:00] <mwd> ducasse, Fedora scored much better in that https survey, looks like the problems aren't so big after all
[20:02] <mwd> pepee, open a bug or request for enhancement in the ubuntu bug tracker
[20:02] <pepee> ok
[20:04] <ducasse> you could also try talking to the people in #ubuntu-website, but you may not get the answer you want
[20:08] <daftykins> pepee: there should already be a bug relevant to this, give me the number if you find / create one and i'll ask a staffer who can add the correct person to it
[20:08] <pepee> I'll check if there are similar requests already...
[21:14] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic


[00:18] <edisto> i just installed xubuntu on my laptop but I can't seem to connect wirelessly to my network
[00:19] <edisto> when I go to edit connections>> add >> wifi >> I can't save a new wifi and it's not detecting any wireless connections
[03:38] <Satellite> hey guys, how well does Xubuntu/Xfce handle hiDPI screens?  Need help with Dropbox on Xubuntu. My previous system was Mint and it worked like a charm, but I have troubles running it on Xubuntu. The first problem I have is that I don't know how to point Dropbox to another partition (I have a "data" partition that I share between Windows and Linux). The second thing is that it always requests root permissions (there was no need for root permissions when I was using it on Mint). If anyone had some
[10:18] <juvann> advice on this matter, that'd be great :D
[17:06] <lourdes> hey guys, no matter how I disable the start up apps on the xfce session, always when I shutdown my pc with running apps. those will start up after login... how can I avoid that?
[22:40] <juvann>  Hi! Need help with Dropbox on Xubuntu. My previous system was Mint and it worked like a charm, but I have troubles running it on Xubuntu. The first problem I have is that I don't know how to point Dropbox to another partition (I have a "data" partition that I share between Windows and Linux). The second thing is that it always requests root permissions (there was no need for root permissions when I was using it on Mint). If anyone had some a
[22:40] <juvann> dvice on this matter, that'd be great :D


[01:11] <cjohnston> mhall119: james_w discussing the daily bug
[01:11] <mhall119> rebooting
[01:11] <cjohnston> mhall119: how can i rewrite that to include .date in the second one
[01:12] <mhall119> cjohnston: (utc_date+day).date
[01:12] <james_w> for slot in summit.slot_set.filter(start_utc__gte=utc_date.date, start_utc__lt=(utc_date+day).date).order_by('start_utc'):
[01:13] <james_w> cjohnston, ^
[01:13] <mhall119> hey, that's what I said
[01:13] <james_w> that's what it should be I think
[01:13] <cjohnston> it doesnt fix it
[01:13] <james_w> anything that starts today
[01:13] <james_w> cjohnston, I changed two other things
[01:13] <james_w> __lt rather than __lte
[01:13] <james_w> so that it's less than, rather than less than or equal
[01:13] <mhall119> ok, actually rebooting now
[01:13] <james_w> otherwise it will still do two days as you saw
[01:14] <mhall119> brb
[01:14] <james_w> the other change is end_utc to start_utc
[01:14] <cjohnston> james_w: should it be start, start?
[01:14] <cjohnston> ok
[01:14] <james_w> so that tests don't fail around midnight
[01:14] <cjohnston> still doesnt seem to work
[01:14] <cjohnston> for slot in summit.slot_set.filter(start_utc__gte=utc_date.date, start_utc__lt=(utc_date+day).date).order_by('start_utc')
[01:15] <james_w> hmm
[01:15] <james_w> still showing the same slots?
[01:15] <cjohnston> yup
[01:16] <cjohnston> for slot in summit.slot_set.filter(start_utc__gte=utc_date.date, start_utc__lt=(utc_date+day).date).order_by('start_utc')
[01:16] <cjohnston> something is invalid ^
[01:16] <cjohnston>  91.                 lookup_view = getattr(import_module(mod_name), func_name)
[01:16] <cjohnston> File "/home/chris/.virtualenvs/summit/lib/python2.6/site-packages/django/utils/importlib.py" in import_module
[01:16] <cjohnston>   35.     __import__(name)
[01:16] <cjohnston> Exception Type: SyntaxError at /lcq1-12/2012-02-07/
[01:16] <cjohnston> Exception Value: invalid syntax (views.py, line 77)
[01:20] <james_w> cjohnston, missing colon at the end of the line
[01:20] <cjohnston> der
[01:20] <cjohnston> still get
[01:20] <cjohnston> Tuesday >
[01:20] <cjohnston> 16:15 - 17:00 06 02
[01:21] <james_w> which day are you viewing?
[01:21] <cjohnston> its actually a problem with start date and not end date
[01:21] <cjohnston> daily
[01:21] <cjohnston> tues
[01:21] <cjohnston> cause the summit goes until 0200 on the next day utc
[01:21] <cjohnston> so end date isnt the problem
[01:22] <james_w> so it's really an issue with the fact that this summit crosses a utc day boundary?
[01:22] <cjohnston> james_w: somehow it needs to be done based on local time
[01:22] <cjohnston> yes
[01:22] <cjohnston> because its showing the last two sessions from monday on tuesday
[01:23] <james_w> I still think we should keep that change as well
[01:23] <cjohnston> which would be 00-01 and 01-02
[01:23] <cjohnston> ok
[01:23] <james_w> utc_date = summit.delocalize(viewdate)
[01:23] <james_w> it does call that
[01:23] <james_w> oh, I think I know
[01:24] <james_w> for slot in summit.slot_set.filter(start_utc__gte=utc_date, start_utc__lt=(utc_date+day)).order_by('start_utc'):
[01:24] <james_w> try that one?
[01:26] <james_w> we don't want to use .date which will take the start of the day in UTC, we already have the date as the start of the day in localtime, so just use the 24 hours after that
[01:26] <cjohnston> still not working
[01:28] <james_w> same results?
[01:28] <cjohnston> yes
[01:28] <james_w> hmm
[01:28] <james_w> sorry, but I have to go now
[01:28] <james_w> I hope you get this fixed
[01:28] <cjohnston> is there some way that we can change it from utc to local tz
[01:28] <cjohnston> ty james_w
[15:57] <danilos> nigelb, hi, I've heard from cjohnston about the problems with allowing people to be added to the private meeting directly
[15:57] <danilos> nigelb, I wonder what the status on that is and whether I can help anyhow? (if you are around, of course)
[15:57] <mhall119> nigelb: I wasn't sure if you've started on that or not, and if so how far you've gotten
[16:03] <nigelb> danilos: I played around, but now I figure I need a new form to do it.
[16:03] <nigelb> I never got around to actually doing it.
[16:04] <danilos> nigelb, right, I guess we can't add a reference to the model to be able to easily add it to the form as well :/
[16:05] <mhall119> danilos: no, since we're actually two relations apart
[16:06] <danilos> right
[16:06] <mhall119> we need to create what Django calls an inline formset
[16:08] <nigelb> yeah, that.
[16:18] <danilos> sounds interesting
[16:18]  * danilos reads up on that
[16:19] <danilos> btw, is the rest of the private meetings stuff up? can I have Stephen test it
[16:20] <cjohnston> danilos: we have one more bug that came up that we need to fix before pushing live.. otherwise it will break the plenary stuff again
[16:20] <cjohnston> removing the linaro hacks introduced a bug with the plenaries because last uds there were multiple plenaries
[16:22] <danilos> oh, right, so code burped on the last UDS data
[16:24] <cjohnston> kinda.. ya
[16:28] <danilos> cjohnston, anything I can look into to make it chug along?
[16:29] <cjohnston> danilos: in truck, plenaries are not currently displayed
[16:29] <danilos> cjohnston, have you tried a regular car? :)
[16:29] <cjohnston> https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/summit/920751/+merge/89806
[16:29] <cjohnston> nice
[16:29] <cjohnston> trunk
[16:30] <cjohnston> add that mp, and plenaries are displayed, but i believe mhall119 has last uds in his db, which is what caused the error
[16:31] <cjohnston> danilos: from trunk, you can import-live-data uds-p and then you will have the data from the last uds to test against
[16:31] <cjohnston> im currently in the middle of debugging ubuntu one
[16:31] <cjohnston> so im stuck for a bit
[16:31] <danilos> cjohnston, cool, thanks
[16:35] <mhall119> danilos: we don't have a staging area for summit, but I can fire up a cloud instance for testing
[16:35] <danilos> mhall119, I'll try the import-live-data approach first, I used to have a DB dump myself, but since I am not really keeping up with things, I'll see how it goes
[16:36] <danilos> mhall119, cjohnston, nigelb: so, I've gotten a deadline to make this ready for use by EOD tomorrow, so if there's any help I can get, I'd appreciate it :)
[16:36] <cjohnston> this and the participants is it
[16:36] <cjohnston> afaik
[16:37] <mhall119> danilos: import-live-data only gets the schedule, nothing about attendees or participants
[16:37] <danilos> mhall119, right, so it's not going to be sufficient? I guess I need to run a few scripts for that (one the get the XML for the sprint and parse it, another to re-read all the BPs)
[16:38] <cjohnston> that should work for the pleanry thing tho
[16:38] <mhall119> you'll need to create an Attendee record for yourself in the admin for some of the features to be available
[16:38] <mhall119> but otherwise it'll work
[16:38] <cjohnston> well.. that too
[16:38] <mhall119> I was just letting you know that it won't import everything that is in production
[16:41] <danilos> mhall119, right, thanks
[16:43] <danilos> mhall119, cjohnston: I also don't see the import_live_data among the commands of manage.py, I wonder if I am missing something
[16:44] <cjohnston> import-live-data
[16:44] <cjohnston> danilos: ^
[16:44] <danilos> cjohnston, I don't see that either (and it reports "unknown command" for either _ or - version)
[16:45] <cjohnston> danilos: you updated from trunk I assume?
[16:46] <danilos> cjohnston, yes, I can see the import_live_data.py file and the rev I have is r259, let me try to clean up the tree and rebuild it
[16:48] <mhall119> cjohnston: it has underscores
[16:49] <cjohnston> oh.. i thought it was -
[16:57] <danilos> got it working, trying manage.py from the wrong path, it'd be nice if it set the sys.path to appropriate values itself
[17:06] <danilos> I am also going to use lpupdate command to get all the users in
[17:20] <danilos> cjohnston, I've pasted the modification which makes it work for me, it's very simplistic fix which ensures it doesn't crash, correctness can be debated (it gets the first agenda)
[17:21] <cjohnston> pasted?
[17:22] <mhall119> cjohnston: it's hyphens in LTP
[17:22] <mhall119> but hyphens in python files makes them useless as python modules
[17:24] <cjohnston> mhall119: gotcha
[17:29] <danilos> cjohnston, yes, want me to push a separate branch and create an MP?
[17:31] <cjohnston> please
[18:03] <danilos> cjohnston, mhall119: fwiw, for that particular problem with plenaries for uds-p — https://code.launchpad.net/~danilo/summit/fix-plenaries/+merge/89963
[18:08] <cjohnston> mhall119: can you throw that into mine from earlier that you were working on and test it please? I'm now trying to get my desktop back
[18:08] <mhall119> cjohnston: which one of yours?
[18:09] <mhall119> cjohnston: can  we just land his, I know what it's doing and i'm okay with it
[18:10] <cjohnston> thats fine
[18:11] <cjohnston> then land https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/summit/daily-updates/+merge/89825
[18:16] <danilos> mhall119, I've set cjohnston's branch as a pre-req in LP, so if mine is landed, his will be included as well
[18:17] <danilos> https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/summit/920751/+merge/89806 <- this one
[18:21] <mhall119> approved both
[18:21] <mhall119> tests pass, no more error on the wide display, thanks guys
[18:22] <cjohnston> mhall119: can you do the daily updates branch
[18:23] <cjohnston> mhall119: if you could also review the other two branches... the open graph and the twitter
[18:23] <cjohnston> ill push to production and push a release
[18:23] <cjohnston> then we can release the participants part when we get it
[18:24] <cjohnston> danilos: afaik the only thing left is the participants stuff
[18:24] <cjohnston> nigelb: can you hit tarmac please
[18:25] <danilos> cjohnston, right, I'll look into that as well, but I'll probably switch locations and stay off IRC while I do that to get more dedicated hacking time for it :)
[18:25] <cjohnston> ok.. should we leave it with you then danilos /
[18:25] <cjohnston> ?
[18:26] <cjohnston> (for that part)
[18:28] <danilos> cjohnston, well, I'll only look into the problem tonight, I'll connect with nigelb tomorrow morning to see where he's at
[18:29] <cjohnston> ok
[18:29] <cjohnston> sounds god
[18:29] <cjohnston> good
[18:29] <cjohnston> thanks danilos
[18:29] <danilos> no, thank you guys :)
[18:32] <cjohnston> mhall119: tarmac sucks sometimes
[18:36] <mhall119> cjohnston: open graph branch approved, landing it by hand becuase of a conflict with trunk
[18:36] <cjohnston> ok
[18:38] <mhall119> cjohnston: the twitter one had two more conflicts, can you update them please?
[18:39] <mhall119> also, what happens if a summit has no hashtag?
[18:39] <mhall119> I do like the social networking stuff on the meeting page though, that's nice
[18:41] <cjohnston> mhall119: i can do either an if, or require a hashtag
[18:41] <mhall119> do an if, since old summits won't have one
[18:41] <mhall119> and new summits might not have one when they are first created
[18:42] <cjohnston> ok
[18:54] <mhall119> cjohnston: danilos: all your fixes have landed
[19:10] <cjohnston> mhall119: pushed
[19:11] <cjohnston> mhall119: for the participant stuff.. is it the inline formset thats needed?
[19:11] <mhall119> cjohnston: I think so, yes
[19:12] <cjohnston> ya.. that doesnt look like fun
[19:12] <cjohnston> mhall119: if you can do a quick review of the hashtag thing, as soon as everything finishes merging, ill get it released
[19:29] <mhall119> cjohnston: the twitter feed pushes the schedule lists down quite a big
[19:29] <mhall119> bit
[19:31] <cjohnston> do you want it to the left?
[19:32] <cjohnston> mhall119: we need a new hash tag for uds
[19:32] <mhall119> yeah, i know
[19:33] <cjohnston> #devsummit >
[19:33] <cjohnston> ?
[19:33] <cjohnston> its no less ubuntu than uds
[19:33] <mhall119> yes it is
[19:34] <cjohnston> #ubuntu-devsummit
[19:34] <cjohnston> long as crap
[19:34] <mhall119> #uds-q ?
[19:34] <mhall119> or #udsq
[19:35] <cjohnston> i like not changing it each time
[19:39] <cjohnston> mhall119: what do you want me to do with the schedule list
[19:55] <mhall119> cjohnston: I'm not sure
[20:12] <cjohnston> merge it and we can decide later?
[20:17] <cjohnston> mhall119: where did you get your little sound icon from?
[20:18] <cjohnston> can you get one for chat?
[20:19] <mhall119> cjohnston: I stole if from the desktop icon set
[20:19] <mhall119> and yeah, I can get a chat one
[20:19] <cjohnston> could you email it to me please?
[20:19] <cjohnston> or tell me where in the folder structure i could find it
[20:21] <cjohnston> mhall119: what do you think about changing the QR code on the display screen and the daily screen to link to that same page on your cell phone
[20:21] <cjohnston> well.. to link to the daily page on your cell phone
[20:21] <mhall119> not yet, maybe when we have a decent mobile web interface
[20:21] <cjohnston> ok
[20:23] <cjohnston> mhall119: whats your thought about making the daily page and the display page automatically refresh every 5 minutes
[20:25] <mhall119> display page yes, daily page no
[20:25] <cjohnston> why no?
[20:26] <cjohnston> the ability doesnt exist on the daily page to make it refresh by ?refresh
[20:27] <cjohnston> what about removing     "django.core.context_processors.i18n", from settings.py too
[20:27] <cjohnston> and turning USE_I18N = True False
[20:33] <mhall119> the daily schedule shouldn't be auto-refreshing, IMO
[20:34] <mhall119> it's only for desktop use, it should conform to normal webpage usage
[20:35] <mhall119> i18n might be used by the admin
[20:40] <cjohnston> I think I removed it all from the admin
[20:40] <cjohnston> or are you saying outside of what we can control by code
[21:01] <mhall119> yeah, the django.contrib.admin stuff
[21:02] <cjohnston> ic


[00:28] <Riddell> nixternal: about?  could you hide that fridge story for a while, it's unfinished
[00:28] <nixternal> how much money do you have?
[00:29] <nixternal> unpublished
[00:29] <mhb> hi Riddell, when is the first day you'll have time for a meeting?
[00:30] <Riddell> thanks
[00:30] <mhb> we'd like to have one (kubuntu meeting) soon
[00:31] <Riddell> mhb: any day except next weekend and monday
[00:31] <mhb> okay, thanks
[00:32] <nixternal> mhb: I am open thursday and friday to an extent
[00:32] <nixternal> anytime after 20:00 UTC
[00:33] <mhb> nixternal: hmm, it'll need some planning, and I guess we should agree on a date at least a week ahead
[00:33] <nixternal> we could at least get the agenda rolling
[00:34] <Riddell> nixternal: you can unhide the fridge story again
[00:34] <nixternal> make it active now?
[00:35] <Riddell> yes
[00:35] <nixternal> published again :)
[00:35] <mhb> nixternal: so you're free every friday night? 16th as well?
[00:36] <nixternal> yes
[00:36] <nixternal> I am a luser with no friends :p
[00:40] <nixternal> hurry up back mhb
[00:40] <nixternal> I forgot my ssh password
[00:42] <yuriy> nixternal: "this review, which her blog post Kubuntu Gutsy."??
[00:44] <nixternal> fixed..thanks
[00:44]  * nixternal wonders why Brian didn't catch that
[00:44] <nixternal> mhb: can I ssh into the web svr to edit some css?
[00:45] <DaSkreech> What happens when the adept upgrade manager cannot be verified
[00:45] <DaSkreech> What failed?
[00:45] <nixternal> mhb: what do you think about having just the front page show info about Kubuntu, and then in the right sidebar, add a news block that will read the /news page?
[00:46] <yuriy> ooh a new website?
[00:48] <gnomefreak> DaSkreech: upgrade to hardy?
[00:48] <DaSkreech> gnomefreak: Sorry? No to Gutsy
[00:48] <jjesse> is that even possible/
[00:48] <jjesse> upgrading to hardy
[00:48] <gnomefreak> DaSkreech: ah not sure try restarting it
[00:48] <DaSkreech> hobbsee is on hardy
[00:49] <gnomefreak> jjesse: yes
[00:49] <DaSkreech> gnomefreak: KK
[00:49] <gnomefreak> jjesse: ill advised
[00:49] <jjesse> thought hobsse was running ubuntu
[00:49]  * gnomefreak been on hardy since 1 day after repos opened
[00:49] <gnomefreak> its no fun well a little bit
[00:50] <DaSkreech> jjesse: You say that like ubuntu cannot be hardy :)
[00:50] <DaSkreech> gnomefreak: Wait 4 weeks
[00:50] <DaSkreech>  more updates than you can shake a joystick at
[00:50] <gnomefreak> DaSkreech: why X is already broke
[00:50] <DaSkreech> or a pointy stick in some people's case
[00:50] <gnomefreak> but i hear mike fixed it in apt
[00:50] <gnomefreak> to hold back even on dist-upgrade (after i break mine
[00:51] <jjesse> instead of kubuntu is what i ment
[00:52] <DaSkreech> Yeah she is
[00:56] <nixternal> The board had voted some time ago to buy the land, but was waiting for KDE’s approval before making the actual purchase.
[00:56] <nixternal> :)
[00:56] <mhb> nixternal: why not
[00:56] <nixternal> why not to which one?
[00:56] <mhb> nixternal: yes, you should be able to ssh into it and work on it ...
[00:56] <mhb> nixternal: if you can create a "sofisticated" news block, let's have it!
[00:56] <nixternal> we need a module called "views"...it is way better than the stock taxonomy module with drupal
[00:56] <mhb> sophisticated, sorry
[00:56] <nixternal> mhb: cool, I have created a million of them :)
[00:57] <nixternal> actually, views does all the work for me, I just need to tweak the CSS to get them right, which is easy
[00:57] <mhb> do you have account on the site5?
[00:57] <nixternal> yes
[00:57] <nixternal> but I changed my password and ditched the notice :)
[00:58] <jjesse> updating entities for kubuntu docs, what any idea what kernel is hardy?
[00:58] <nixternal> jjesse: not yet on the kernel...I changed most of the ents last week
[00:58] <jjesse> hmm oh ok
[00:59] <nixternal> probably 2.6.23
[00:59] <mhb> nixternal: I'm going to sleep now, if you have any trouble, either wait for me or ask ryanakca, he also should fix whatever is needed
[00:59] <mhb> he's got (working) access to it, too
[00:59] <nixternal> OK, my password doesn't work ont he server, so I can change css
[00:59] <jjesse> thought i had kubuntu-hardy all merged so i was curious
[00:59] <nixternal> s/can/can't
[00:59] <mhb> hmm, lemme fix
[01:00] <nixternal> set it to changeme or something silly
[01:00]  * ryanakca waves to nixternal
[01:00] <nixternal> you could just grab my publich ssh key from lp, that would make it easy
[01:00]  * nixternal waves back
[01:00] <nixternal> I am going to go watch chuck
[01:00]  * jjesse writes down nixternal's password as changeme
[01:00] <nixternal> man, Poundcake just came on CaboWaboRadio
[01:01]  * ryanakca points to the TODO file in the branch
[01:01] <ryanakca> wadda?
[01:01] <ryanakca> CaboWaboRadio? how do you get that from Poundcake?
[01:01] <nixternal> cabowaboradio.com for the baddest music in the world
[01:01] <ryanakca> Ah
[01:01] <mhb> nixternal: somethingsilly it is
[01:01] <jjesse> badest = good?
[01:01] <nixternal> cabowaboradio == sammy hagar's online radio station
[01:01]  * ryanakca likes BBC Radio 2 :D
[01:02] <nixternal> mhb: thanks, I am in and changed it
[01:02] <nixternal> ok...back in a few..time for a quick tv show
[01:02] <ryanakca> see you :)
[01:09] <DaSkreech> nixternal: saw boud's blog? Popup priter manangement would be cool :)
[01:11] <Riddell> it's planned for hardy
[01:12] <DaSkreech> I plugged my friends camera in and it popped up Digikam
[01:12] <DaSkreech> well the new hardware thing and had digikam highlighted
[01:13] <Riddell> yes, not sure how he missed that
[01:13] <Riddell> and yay, suse not doing work upstream
[01:13] <DaSkreech> I haven't had a printer in oodles of time
[01:33] <jjesse> man i'm tired today
[01:33] <jjesse> morning Jucato... hope the cold boot is quick today
[01:34] <Jucato> good evening jjesse! :)
[01:34] <Jucato> nah I woke up 2 hours ago. well booted now :)
[01:34] <jjesse> :)
[01:34] <Jucato> (doesn't mean I'm sane though...)
[01:34] <jjesse> hows the adept documetnation review going
[01:34] <Jucato> you're leaving for .au this weekend?
[01:34] <jjesse> wednesday
[01:34] <Jucato> oooh tomorrow... (here)
[01:35] <jjesse> wow yeah still haven't packed
[01:35] <Jucato> uh oh :)
[01:35] <Jucato> why not let the missus pack for you? :P
[01:35] <jjesse> that will be tomorrow night
[01:36] <Jucato> jjesse: http://jucato.org/kde/adeptguide.diff
[01:37] <Jucato> as for content... well that's coming soon :P
[01:37] <jjesse> ooo i like content
[01:37] <DaSkreech> nixternal: What were you saying about canllaith ?
[01:38] <Jucato> score card: -3 and +1 kde devs :)
[01:38] <Jucato> I'm not used to reading in docbook so it takes a while :P
[01:39] <jjesse> np
[01:39] <jjesse> -3 to me?
[01:39] <Jucato> nah. -3 kde devs...
[01:40] <Jucato> 3 devs that have left or considered leaving their kubu systems :)
[01:40] <Jucato> jjesse: this adept guide covers adept manager only, doesn't it?
[01:40] <jjesse> Jucato: there should be one for adept manager, adept updater
[01:41]  * jjesse hopes his battery lasts a long time on the flight so i can work on the training guide an other documentation
[01:42] <Jucato> jjesse: ah separate ones per app... ok...
[01:43] <jjesse> Jucato: yeah
[01:46]  * jjesse afk
[01:46] <Jucato> !away | jjesse
[01:46] <ubotu> jjesse: You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[01:46] <Jucato> lol sorry! just couldn't resist :D
[01:47] <DaSkreech> Jucato: What did you do?
[01:47] <Jucato> ^^^^^
[01:47] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Wow problems just cropped in in #kubunut since you logged in.
[01:47] <DaSkreech> bah
[01:47] <DaSkreech> #kubuntu
[01:48] <Jucato> shall I log out?
[01:48] <DaSkreech> Ha ha :)
[01:48] <yuriy> irc lines wasted by jjesse: 1.  By Jucato: 7
[01:48] <DaSkreech> No I'd prefer you with problems than games without
[01:48] <Jucato> hehe :)
[02:18] <nixternal> ryanakca: I will work on some of the TODO things now
[02:18] <ryanakca> nixternal: thanks :)
[02:18] <Jucato> nixternal!!!!!!!!
[02:18] <ryanakca> if you have any questions, poke me :)
[02:19] <nixternal> wasabi Jucato
[02:20] <nixternal> cd 56
[02:21] <Jucato> cd ..
[02:21] <Jucato> cd /
[02:21] <Jucato> I'm in your root!
[02:21] <nixternal> heh, I meant /window :)
[02:22] <Jucato> hahah
[02:23] <nixternal> bah, I can't make edits to the damn css on the server
[02:23] <nixternal> and of course it isn't in english, but I understood the RED warning :)
[02:23] <nixternal> ahh, because ryanakca has all of the power on those files
[02:24] <nixternal> ryanakca: can you chmod the files in the themes dir on the server so people in the themers group can have write access
[02:24] <ryanakca> yep
[02:25] <nixternal> wow, I have never messed with editing a website on a connection so sloooooooow before :)
[02:26] <nixternal> thanks
[02:26] <ryanakca> Happy?
[02:26] <ryanakca> hehe, that's why I edit locally and then rsync ;)
[02:34] <nixternal> image centered
[02:36] <nixternal> ryanakca: can you add modules or no?
[02:37] <ryanakca> I don't think I can
[02:37] <ryanakca> or wait... yes.
[02:38] <nixternal> bah, I didn't fix the image...stupid absolute positioning
[02:38] <ryanakca> Since I have admin privileges... where is it?
[02:38] <ryanakca> hehe...
[02:38] <ryanakca> ies4linux is your friend, btw
[02:39] <ryanakca> http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page
[02:39] <nixternal> ya right, I would never install that on my box
[02:40] <nixternal> I know people with IE6, they can test it for me
[02:40] <ryanakca> hehe, if you wish :)
[02:40]  * ryanakca yawns
[02:40] <ryanakca> don't you have admin privileges to drupal?
[02:45] <nixternal> ya
[02:45] <nixternal> but not to add a module
[02:45] <Jucato> you would never install ies4linux... but would be ok with vista? :)
[02:45] <nixternal> I don't know if I am 100% sold on this theme
[02:45] <nixternal> Jucato: I would rather have virus laden software stuck in one location, and one location only
[02:46] <Jucato> hehe :)
[02:46] <Jucato> hm.. you can get virus from ies4linux?
[02:46] <nixternal> but it isn't going to go on my linux box
[02:47] <Jucato> :)
[02:57] <jjesse> back
[03:11] <ryanakca> nixternal: drupal theme?
[03:13]  * ryanakca => bed
[03:13] <Jucato> k'night ryanakca!
[03:14] <ryanakca> :)
[03:14] <jjesse> nixternal: i ran ies4linux on my laptop to access work stuff and it worked fine
[03:28] <coreymon77> ???
[03:28] <coreymon77> how can that happen
[03:28] <coreymon77> viruses wont work in lin
[03:29] <jjesse> dang it
[03:29] <jjesse> Jucato:  can you email me the link for the adept diff?
[03:29] <yuriy> and coreymon77 drops off mid-word as the virus takes him down
[03:29] <coreymon77> im on a mac
[03:29] <coreymon77> yuriy: i was short forming too
[03:29] <DaSkreech> cultured virus!
[03:29] <Jucato> jjesse: jjesse AT ubuntu DOT com
[03:30] <jjesse> ah so you ahve that finder bug that is loosing data
[03:30] <jjesse> Jucato:  yes isr
[03:30] <jjesse> sir
[03:30] <jjesse> or the trojan that you can download
[03:30] <Jucato> jjesse: why not just e-mail the diff to you, rather than just the link? :P
[03:31] <Jucato> jjesse: sent!. now for lunch
[03:37] <nixternal> ryanakca: check out the page if you are still up
[03:48] <seele> whoooo go steelers!
[03:48] <imbrandon> Riddell, do we build playground/bindings/phpqt in kubuntu ?
[03:48] <imbrandon> heya seele
[03:48] <seele> hmm.. perhaps i should cheer in a local channel :P
[03:48] <seele> hallo kansas
[03:48] <imbrandon> :)
[03:49] <seele> (came home after half time. drank a bith muchH)
[03:49] <imbrandon> hehe been there
[03:49] <seele> mispells.. time to go offline befor i embarass myself
[03:49] <imbrandon> gnight :)
[03:49] <seele> a bit late for riddell to be on, no?
[03:50] <imbrandon> it is , i normaly just wait N hours for a response
[03:50] <imbrandon> :)
[03:50] <seele> ah hah
[03:50] <imbrandon> he is good about check hilights ( watch this time he wont heheh )
[03:50] <imbrandon> checking*
[03:51] <DaSkreech> nixternal: What about canllaith?
[03:51] <DaSkreech> seele: what went down?
[03:52] <seele> DaSkreech: it was35 nothing before baltimore got their act together and made a touchdown
[03:52] <seele> 5 tunovers in the first half, 4 lost to pittsburgh
[03:52] <DaSkreech> nice
[03:52] <seele> yah
[03:53] <seele> <-- from pittsburgh
[03:53] <seele> WHOO GO STEELERS
[03:53]  * seele coughs
[03:53] <seele> liek i said.. time for beds
[03:53]  * DaSkreech carries seele off
[04:01] <Riddell> imbrandon: there's php qt?!
[04:01] <jjesse> so jono gave me a book on python so watch out :)
[04:01] <imbrandon> Riddell, yea, heheh  i love it
[04:02] <imbrandon> Riddell, i guess since none else love php as much as me though i'll package it hehe
[04:02] <imbrandon> its only php65 and only qt4
[04:02] <imbrandon> s/65/5/g
[04:02] <imbrandon> but thats ok
[04:03] <imbrandon> i'm doing a svn checkout now
[04:07] <imbrandon> Riddell, uses smoke and kalyptus
[04:07] <imbrandon> so should stay updated easy
[05:27] <nixternal> ryanakca and mhb: quite a few changes to the site layout now - I am not 100% sold on the design at this time though
[05:49]  * Jucato sings nixternal a lullaby...
[05:49] <nixternal> I need one
[05:49]  * nixternal checks to see how emtpy the bank account is
[05:49] <nixternal> yup, its empty
[05:49] <Jucato> eek!
[05:49] <Jucato> :(
[05:49] <nixternal> but when I wake up, it will be full again :)
[05:50] <Jucato> and I was going to ask you to buy me a n810 for christmas...
[05:50] <Jucato> aaah hehehe
[05:50] <Jucato> good :)
[05:50] <nixternal> ya right...I would buy me one first :)
[05:50] <Jucato> :D
[05:50] <nixternal> how much are them things anyways?
[05:50] <Jucato> they're not yet released.... but I believe the target was $479?
[05:50]  * Jucato is about 1/4 way there already
[05:50] <nixternal> jesus, you can get a laptop for that price
[05:51] <Jucato> you can't carry the laptop around like that, or have a touchscreen :)
[05:51] <nixternal> I would rather build another box or get a new laptop than that thing
[05:51] <Jucato> Eee PC?
[05:51] <Jucato> that's my other option
[05:51] <nixternal> plus, if I got it, I would be the only one around here with one...I have yet to even see one up close and personal
[05:51] <Jucato> I'm completely torn :)
[05:52] <nixternal> I would wait until the Eee PC gets something other than 640x480 and a 5 year old KDE
[05:52] <Jucato> 5 year old KDE?
[05:52] <nixternal> ya, they are using a very early 3.x I believe
[05:52] <nixternal> I just read it on planet kde I thought
[05:52] <Jucato> 3.5.x afaik
[05:53] <nixternal> ya, that is for the wimpy version, there is an advanced function on the Eee PC
[05:53] <n8k99> fujitsu u810 has 1040X600 screen
[05:53] <Jucato> how can the hell can fit 2 KDE versions? O.o
[05:54] <Jucato> n8k99: how much? how light?
[05:54] <n8k99> 1.5 lbs
[05:55] <Jucato> hm...
[05:55] <n8k99> its about the size of a paperback novel
[05:55] <Jucato> how much?
[05:55] <n8k99> $999
[05:55] <nixternal> $400 for the N800...ridiculous
[05:55] <Jucato> wow!!!
[05:55] <Jucato> nixternal: n810
[05:55] <Jucato> ah ok
[05:55] <Jucato> nvm lol
[05:56] <nixternal> what is the purpose of it anyways? is it a phone?
[05:56] <Jucato> nope
[05:56] <Jucato> internet tablet
[05:56] <n8k99> fujitsu u810 is a notebook
[05:56] <nixternal> ahh, ya I don't need that
[05:56] <nixternal> I am going to wait for a Google phone now
[05:56] <Jucato> almost like a UMPC... but more on the mobile side :)
[05:56] <nixternal> which hopefully won't be another year waiting for a FOSS phone
[05:56]  * Jucato is probably going to remove Xandros from the Eee PC if he ever gets one..
[05:57] <Jucato> Neo1973/OpenMoko? :D
[05:57] <nixternal> I wouldn't buy an FIC anything, even if you gave me the money for it
[05:57] <nixternal> plus, has openMoko even hit a milestone yet?
[05:58] <Jucato> dunno :)
[05:58]  * n8k99 saw nixternal raving about that earlier
[05:58]  * Jucato is more interested in Qtopia on those devices...
[05:58] <nixternal> ya, I thought I did, couldn't remember though
[05:58] <nixternal> Greenphone!
[05:58] <n8k99> =p
[05:58] <Jucato> huh? you haven't heard yet?
[05:58] <nixternal> I know someone here ordered something, but I haven't seen it yet
[05:58] <Jucato> greenphone's R.I.P.
[05:59] <nixternal> didn't know that, but then again, if the phone isn't less than $20, I don't really care much :)
[05:59] <nixternal> all a phone needs to do for me is make and receive calls
[05:59] <Jucato> hahah
[05:59] <n8k99> i thinl i saw that troltech is more interested in putting it on the NEC
[05:59] <nixternal> all of that other stuff is unneccessary
[05:59] <Jucato> they discontinued it and will now focus on supporting Qtopia on other devices
[05:59] <nixternal> like Familiar? or Opie?
[05:59] <n8k99> nixternal: virgin prepaid phones cost $20
[06:00] <nixternal> aren't those Qtopia/KDE like things
[06:00] <nixternal> my cheap phone was FREE
[06:00] <n8k99> nice!
[06:00] <Jucato> Opie is/was a fork of Qtopia. intended to be free before Qtopia was released as GPL
[06:00] <Jucato> afaik
[06:00] <nixternal> oh, I played with Opie on a Zaurus, sweet stuff
[06:01] <nixternal> anywho, I am going to crash...I am dead
[06:01] <nixternal> k'nite :)
[06:01] <Jucato> k'night nixternal!
[06:01] <Jucato> but a kde4 beta4 package question
[06:01] <Jucato> in #kubuntu :P
[06:07] <Serega> Mornin' guys!
[07:56]  * Serega dances
[07:58]  * Serega sings funny songs
[11:22] <mhb> nixternal: explain "sold on the design" - does it mean "I don't like what you did there" or "I don't like what you did there and I am willing to provide the resources to fix that" or something else?
[11:23] <mhb> nixternal: it looks kind of dull now that all the images are gone and there's a lot of text
[11:24] <mhb> I'm definitely not sold on *tha* :o)
[11:24] <mhb> err *that*
[11:28] <mhb> ^^ RFC from ryanakca , too
[11:54] <Hobbsee> hm.  just checking, but kioslaves wont work with firefox or something will they?
[11:54] <Hobbsee> you'd need dolphin or konq?
[11:59]  * Hobbsee pokes mhb
[11:59]  * Hobbsee reads another kubuntu report
[12:00] <ryanakca> nixternal: mhb: Riddell quite liked it the way it was... definitely needs more images
[12:00]  * ryanakca shrugs
[12:05] <Hobbsee> yay, dolphin works on gnome!
[12:08]  * Hobbsee has webdavs access again!
[12:22] <ryanakca> mhb: Eh, you three (you, nixternal & jr) can figure out what you want the page to look like while I'm away today... I'm obviously hoping that we'll keep it as I made it, but, I'm one voice amongst four :)
[12:25] <mhb> ryanakca: there are some rought edges, but I still like the concept
[12:26] <mhb> ryanakca: (the bottom line looks kind of fuzzy, maybe we take too much vertical space for the logo and download link...)
[12:26] <ryanakca> mhb: add it to the TODO as well :)
[12:26]  * ryanakca => school, see you :)
[12:26] <Jucato> bye school!
[12:26] <Jucato> er bye ryanakca!
[12:26] <Jucato> :)
[12:34] <nosrednaekim> is this Troy Unrau? http://troy-at-kde.livejournal.com/10632.html
[12:34] <nosrednaekim> oh yeah... it is..
[12:35] <nosrednaekim> kinda sad that he got messed over by XGL that way..
[12:35] <Jucato> yeah...sad...
[12:37] <nosrednaekim> i'm going to have to try sidux though :D
[12:40] <nosrednaekim> there are always the good reviews though :)
[12:40] <nosrednaekim> http://canllaith.org/?page_id=48
[13:15] <Jucato> "But lately Kubuntu development seems to be made by amateurs and too many things aren't working." <--- OUCH
[13:22] <Hobbsee> Jucato: where's that?
[13:23] <Jucato> one of the  comments from troy's blog
[13:24] <Hobbsee> ah
[13:26] <Hobbsee> well, he does have a vague point
[13:27] <Hobbsee> how many incarnations of the nspluginviewer stuff did we have, again?
[13:27] <Hobbsee> the stuff that created /home in the ~'s
[13:27] <Jucato> :)
[13:49] <nixternal> mhb and ryanakca: well the text that was there originally didn't look good...don't know what it is lacking just yet....I am 95% sold on it, but that 5%...don't know what it is
[13:55] <Jucato> nixternal: your 3-way conversation just earned the three of you a pokemon character :)
[13:55] <nixternal> heh
[13:56] <nixternal> I just got the warning to "dist-upgrade to gutsy"
[13:56] <nixternal> funny, I have been running gutsy since like may
[13:56] <Jucato> http://www.happychild.org.uk/Webimage/exeggutor.jpg
[13:56] <Jucato> it's a known adept bug :)
[13:57] <nixternal> I have no idea what you just showed me
[13:57] <Jucato> the pokemon I just thought about :P
[13:57] <nixternal> ahhh
[13:57] <Jucato> you can pick a face among yourselves :P
[13:57] <nixternal> hahaha
[13:57] <nixternal> gee, thanks
[13:57] <Jucato> one for you, one for mhb, one for ryanakca :D
[14:04]  * Jucato actually had to google that image for a few minutes...
[14:20] <rage0ff> whých ýs the ubuntu removed/deleleted/unýnstall ! help me
[14:23] <manchicken> nixternal: So is kde4b4 ready? :P
[15:00] <bddebian> Heya
[16:01] <tekteen> anyone here know what packages I can take off of the alt install cd? I need to make room.
[16:18] <mhb> nixternal: hmm, well that one was more like a proof of concept, what I think is that loads of text never convinced anyone, they simply "aren't cool" now
[16:19] <mhb> nixternal: all that text might be useful for someone, and we should have it on the website in some form, either on a separate site or summed together in a few sentences.
[16:20] <mhb> "cool" sites have a large photo with some fancy text on them on the top site ... kind of like the news of the day
[16:21] <mhb> which was what I did, but spent very little time on it and I'm no graphic artist
[16:21] <mhb> nixternal: think http://www.redhat.com/
[16:22] <yuriy> how about think www.ubuntu.com? shouldn't this basically be a kubuntu themed version of that?
[16:23] <mhb> perhaps in mind of others, but I really reject the concept "Kubuntu is (just) Ubuntu with KDE"
[16:23] <nixternal> mhb: that is exactly the idea I was looking for :)
[16:24] <mhb> yuriy: we will have a similar look, but not indentical
[16:24] <mhb> hehe, indentical :o)
[16:24] <nixternal> all we need is kwwii to make us a bunch of graphics (professional looking), and then I can create a javascript that will rotate the images either on time, refresh, or have it set up so we can configure how we want rotation and what not
[16:26] <mhb> we should rotate it if we have some news to fit
[16:27] <mhb> also, we can borrow from all kinds of CreativeCommons-licensed graphics
[16:29] <Jucato> good luck with the site, you exeggutor :)
[16:31] <Serega> is it all about kubuntu.org?
[16:32] <mhb> Serega: yes, about how it will look like in the future
[16:33] <Serega> I think we should post more news on start page
[16:34] <Serega> for exmple: Kaffeine codecs autoinstallation was implemented! =)
[16:34] <Riddell> Serega: ooh?
[16:34] <mhb> don't tease us
[16:35] <Serega> Riddell: Hi, John, I figured out what to do!
[16:35] <Riddell> no silent h!
[16:35] <Serega> mhb: sorry, that wasn't teasing
[16:36] <Serega> Riddell: "no silent h"?
[16:36] <Serega> Riddell: what does this mean?
[16:36] <Riddell> Serega: Jon not John
[16:36] <Serega> OOH
[16:36] <Riddell> adding silent h's to names is a curiosity of the English for the most part
[16:36] <Serega> Riddell: sorry
[16:37] <Serega> Riddell: so, just Jon or full Jonathan is better?
[16:37] <Lure> Serega: just Riddell is fine ;-)
[16:38] <Serega> :)
[16:38]  * Serega is shutting up
[16:38] <Riddell> don't shut up, tell us about this exciting Kaffeine news!
[16:38] <Serega> ok)
[16:38] <Riddell> what's working?
[16:38] <Serega> I figured out how to detect unability to play videos
[16:39] <Serega> I need some time to implement right behaviour in that case
[16:39] <yuriy> Serega: have you seen "everything is illuminated"? Жонфен!
[16:39] <Serega> yuriy: no :)
[16:40] <Serega> yuriy: movie?
[16:40] <yuriy> yeah
[16:40] <Serega> yuriy: tell me the russian title
[16:40] <yuriy> Serega: it's an american movie, about an american guy named jonathan who goes to ukraine
[16:41] <Serega> I'll try find
[16:43]  * Serega is sad
[16:46] <Riddell> Serega: why sad?
[16:47]  * mhb would be really down if he were sad from all the negative articles about Kubuntu he read this last few weeks
[16:48] <mhb> everyone keeps saying "OpenSUSE beats Kubuntu, PCLinuxOS beats Kubuntu..." this and that
[16:48] <Serega> why Kyiv(Ukraine) is GMT+3 in ubuntu? It always was (and still) GMT+2
[16:49] <Serega> Riddell: my official job eats all my time :(
[16:50] <Serega> Riddell: I have only 2-3 hours per day for heart-sake development
[16:51] <Serega> mhb: I don't see any articles against kubuntu
[16:53] <seele> Serega: http://troy-at-kde.livejournal.com/10632.html
[16:53] <Hobbsee> Serega: see planet kde
[16:54] <Riddell> mostly they're not against kubuntu specifically but about hardware support and that
[16:54] <Riddell> but yes, it's a bit disheartening
[16:55]  * Hobbsee thinsk the other thing is disheartening, instead.
[16:55] <mhb> http://www.valdyas.org/fading/index.cgi/2007/11/05#opensuse103
[16:55] <mhb> that was just 2 planetkde.org devs moving from Kubuntu to other distros
[16:56] <mhb> and it's like this among users, too. :o(
[16:56] <Serega> :(
[16:57] <Captain_Redbeard> hey guys... do you need a hand with KDE4 Beta4 packages? I'm building them for x64 as we speak... if they are to any use just let me know :P
[16:57] <Serega> lets look philosophically at this, every distribution has sector of critics
[16:58] <mhb> right, and developers are usually unforgiving, but you know how "Avalanche effect" works
[16:58] <mhb> two KDE developers write about moving away from Kubuntu and 100 users will think about it
[17:00]  * Hobbsee would have thought the X current kubuntu developers not using kubuntu was a more worrying statistic.
[17:00] <Serega> mhb: maybe we sould leave for a time shining new ubuntu features and concentrate on polishing current system?
[17:01] <mhb> Hobbsee: right, I thought about that too
[17:01] <Serega> mhb: it is impossible to keep this race with so different forces
[17:02] <Serega> mhb: and I can write a blog message "I moving from Mandriva to Kubuntu"! :)
[17:02] <mhb> Serega: hehe, you don't have to :o) I think we should somehow learn from our mistakes, that's what I'm trying to say
[17:03] <mhb> Riddell: I hope you're not sad about it, tro's  blog post seems to be a bit personal
[17:04] <Serega> mhb: easy things like KDE panel configuration can make a bad impression about distro during first 5 minutes of use
[17:04] <Serega> Riddell: it is really very personal
[17:05] <Serega> Riddell: btw, troy didn't wrote any issues he dislike in kubuntu, he just do not explain his point
[17:07] <Riddell> Hobbsee: that is too
[17:08] <Riddell> Serega: yes that's annoying, also that he didn't tell me any of the issues when he came to our conference last week
[17:09] <Serega> Riddell: so, just ignore :) let's keep working!
[17:10] <Riddell> yeah!  we rock!
[17:10] <Serega> =)
[17:13] <mhb> Riddell: correction, *you* rock!
[17:14] <Riddell> group hug!
[17:15]  * mhb hugs Riddell
[17:15]  * Hobbsee hugs Riddell and mh
[17:15]  * Hobbsee hugs Riddell and mhb
[17:18] <mhb> I think the key to a large portion of the user base might be a good KDE4
[17:18] <mhb> we are one of the last distros that doesn't provide a KDE4 CD yet
[17:18] <mhb> and of course, we need all our specific apps KDE4-ready
[17:19] <jjesse> afternoon
[17:19] <mhb> hi jjesse
[17:27] <mhb> Riddell: what did you decidew.r.t. PackageKit?
[17:27] <mhb> Riddell: are we going to move to it soon?
[17:28] <Riddell> mhb: it's a hardy+1 issue but if an apt backend appears which works I'll look into making KDE frontends
[17:30] <mhb> hmm, call one: could everyone find the time on Friday 16th for a meeting?
[17:31] <Hobbsee> no
[17:31] <mhb> :o(
[17:31] <Hobbsee> definetly not - i have 2 exams in that block of time
[17:31] <mhb> Hobbsee: can you get to a meeting in any day in the next 14 days?
[17:32] <Hobbsee> yeah.  18th or so, or a couple of days after
[17:32]  * Hobbsee has an exam on the 16th, and 17th
[17:33] <mhb> nixternal: when would be the best day for you after 17th?
[17:33] <Hobbsee> and i think the other is on the 26th
[17:41] <mhb> Riddell: will you be working on the KDE4 Live CD? Or someone else?
[17:43] <Riddell> mhb: I will, but of course it needs up to date packages first
[17:44] <Riddell> which means merging with debian
[17:44] <mhb> is there a python-kde4 package in Kubuntu yet?
[17:45] <Riddell> no, kdebindings isn't packaged, Sime said the latest beta release isn't a good snapshot for it
[17:45] <Riddell> if you're interested you can ask him when a better snapshot to take would be
[17:51] <nixternal> I am heading home now...bbiab
[17:51] <mhb> nixternal: see yah
[17:51] <Serega> nixternal: great picture!!!
[17:51] <Serega> nixternal: see ya
[17:52] <Riddell> bling bling
[17:52] <Serega> nixternal: cool news on the side :))))
[17:57]  * Serega bows "See you later, guys!"
[18:18]  * Lure is using kde4 now as his desktop
[18:19] <mhb> Lure: on Kubuntu?
[18:20] <nosrednaekim> Lure: as soon as they release beta 4 i'm going kde4 as well
[18:20] <Lure> mhb: yep, gutsy with kde4 from svn (I recompile daily)
[18:21] <Lure> mhb: I just start kde3 apps for mission critical stuff (kontact and konversation)(
[18:21] <mhb> nosrednaekim: they have released it AFAIK, it's just us not having it yet
[18:21] <mhb> Lure: did you move on with that kmilo bug?
[18:21] <nosrednaekim> yeah... well I mean packages
[18:21] <Lure> mhb: when they fix panel, it will be great for wider testing
[18:21] <mhb> Lure: do they even have a kmilo in KDE4?
[18:21] <Lure> mhb: not really - no idea and no HW to play with
[18:22] <Lure> mhb: I am just checking what the plans are in regards to laptop support
[18:22] <Lure> mhb: I will rather work on kde4 upstream than wait for kde4 final
[18:22] <Lure> mhb: will be easier to include in kubuntu
[18:22] <mhb> Lure: good decision
[18:23] <mhb> Lure: as long as you don't change distros the minute we turn away :o) Hehe, just joking, scroll up if you want to know what I'm referring to.
[18:26] <Lure> mhb: I joined half hour ago, so I do not know what you are talking about
[18:27] <mhb> Lure: there were several blogs of upstream people migrating away from Kubuntu in the last few days
[18:27] <mhb> KDE people
[18:27] <nosrednaekim> troy Unrau for example :(
[18:28] <Lure> mhb: have seen that
[18:29] <Lure> mhb: people come and people go
[18:29] <Lure> you should use the tool that works for you
[18:30] <mhb> Lure: right, but we're here to make Kubuntu work for them
[18:30] <mhb> so it kind of reflects what we are doing right/wrong
[18:30] <Lure> mhb: sure, and that is why I like that they make their frustrations public (even though Troy's problems really sound strange)
[18:31] <Lure> mhb: this should just push out to do better
[18:31] <Lure> sebas_: ping
[18:32] <Lure> mhb: kmilo is in kde4
[18:33] <Lure> mhb: with ugly windows... ;-)
[18:33] <ScorpKing> can someone explain to me how kde apps like konqueror work when using internet. if i have no eth* connection and only ppp0, why does it not use the gateway for ppp0?
[18:33]  * Sime is feeling confident. Time to give KDE4 another spin.
[18:33] <Lure> Sime: spin for python-kde4?
[18:33] <mhb> ^^ we all wait for that :o)
[18:33] <Sime> kde4 in general.
[18:34] <Lure> ScorpKing: it might be that knetworkmanager claims you have no network, so konqueror does not work
[18:34] <ScorpKing> ah i see.
[18:34] <Lure> ScorpKing: try to exit knetworkmanager and see if it works then
[18:34] <ScorpKing> will do. one sec..
[18:34] <Lure> ScorpKing: or uninstall "networkstatus"
[18:37]  * Lure prepares dinner for kids, bbl
[18:38] <ScorpKing> ok, it seems to be working now. i removed knetworkmanager.
[18:38] <nosrednaekim> any of you kubuntu-needs-better-art checked out klikit?
[18:40] <ScorpKing> thanks for the help Lure. :D
[18:43] <nixternal> Riddell: is that the kind of look you are going for on the site?
[18:44] <nixternal> I had an idea while driving home that would mix the Kabel and Ubuntu Title fonts..use the Kabel font for the first letter for home | download | about | support and such, and then use the ubuntu title for the rest of the fonts in the word...gonna play around here in a bit
[18:48] <nixternal> just learned something new...when you import an image into inkscape, don't delete that image from teh directory :/
[18:55] <Riddell> nixternal: looks great to me
[18:56] <Riddell> nixternal: it needs a page for packages (for amarok, kde 4 etc)
[19:10] <DaSkreech> Does anyone have tearing in akregator?
[19:13] <seele> tearing?
[19:13] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[19:13] <DaSkreech>  started since Gutsy
[19:13] <DaSkreech>  I should catalogue all the fun stuff that started in Gutsyt
[19:13] <DaSkreech> I have the 3 pane view
[19:14] <DaSkreech> so when I press up and down it scroll the article I'm reading up and sown
[19:14] <DaSkreech> When it does that the feeds on the side start to try and follow it
[19:14] <DaSkreech> or more accurately the favicons do
[19:14] <DaSkreech> the feeds stay where they are
[19:15] <DaSkreech> so I get this movement of the favicons (at the edge of the feeds) moving up and down and when I stop they snap back to where they were leaving a trail behind them
[19:15] <seele> oh weird
[19:17] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[19:17] <DaSkreech> and Kopete won't stop asking me to make a new account
[19:19] <DaSkreech> seele: Still giddy over the win?
[19:21] <seele> DaSkreech: yeah.. i had a bit of a headache this morning :)
[20:14] <ryanakca> mhb: ping, sorry, my mom was throwing a fit saying that I'd miss the bus :)
[20:15] <ryanakca> nixternal: oooh, you made the bottom bar longer, looks good :)
[20:54] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/tmp
[20:55] <nixternal> mhb, ryanakca, Riddell ^^ my plans are to have text popup with every image explaining a feature for each image
[20:55] <nixternal> for your server or desktop
[20:55] <nixternal> for your laptop
[20:55] <nixternal> synch your pda
[20:55] <nixternal> synch your music
[20:55] <nixternal> synch your phone
[20:55] <nixternal> use your digital camera
[20:55] <nixternal> like that, but not those exactly
[20:56] <nixternal> and then the last one to show when they are all showing would be "We have you covered", and that would show for a few seconds, and then start all over
[20:56] <nixternal> what do you think?
[20:57] <Riddell> nixternal: mind and ping kwwii when asking about artwork
[20:57] <Riddell> animation on a web page is dangerous though, it can easily look tacky
[20:58] <nixternal> of course
[20:58] <nixternal> ya, I think the same
[20:58] <nixternal> I have another idea, that uses that same idea though, just static
[21:04] <nixternal> Riddell: what if those images just loaded on time and that was it? you think that would be better, or get rid of it totally?
[21:07] <seele> nixternal: if you go with the animation, it needs to be faster
[21:07] <seele> people wont sit and watch it, their eyes will wonder to the rest of the page
[21:09] <nixternal> good point
[21:33] <ryanakca> nixternal: set it so that it changes on mouse over...
[21:33] <ryanakca> nixternal: you'd have to modify it so that people know it will change on mouseover... but :)
[21:34] <nixternal> mouseovers are so 1995
[21:37] <ryanakca> əh :)
[22:05] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/  <-- update - faster movement & text to go with it...this is a mock-up now, so be nice :)
[22:11] <Riddell> nixternal: you ignoring slacky? :)
[22:11] <nixternal> no, why?
[22:11] <nixternal> d'oh...
[22:11]  * nixternal sees the highlight
[22:12] <nixternal> how many Italian Linux Days do they have? They keep this up, I am moving to Italy! :)
[22:13] <nixternal> oh man, that write is going to be a big one...I am getting ready to head out the door in a few, so I will attend to it this evening when I get back home
[22:22] <Riddell> nixternal: sure, whenever you feel like
[22:23] <Riddell> nixternal: just make sure it's KDE focused
[23:13] <seele> nixternal: now that there is text with it, its too fast to read! hehe
[23:41] <Riddell> nixternal: I merged your docs to the website, sorry for the delay
[23:41] <Riddell> nixternal: I've removed links to old versions other than dapper
[23:41] <Riddell> nixternal: how come there's no General Documentation for Gutsy?
[23:41] <Riddell> presumably because it's not on help.ubuntu.com?


 Is it possible to configure colours in run menu? Defaults are really silly (dark so dark that text is barely visible, marking of selected item is absurdly subtle...)
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/c6d0b729/file_3859.jpg
 And how it is actually named? "run menu" seems to not be the correct one
 Can i install lubuntu on an hdd connected with an drive adapter?
 Beacuse my laptops motherboard hdd connector is broken
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/814cec12/file_3860.jpg
 Something like this
 I admit that have no idea - but it should be relatively easy to check by just trying it?
 I didnt brought it
 And i wanna know if itll work
 You can generally install Lubuntu to any drive your system has, but your boxes firmware controls what devices can be used to boot; not the OS itself. (re @motorolae7: Can i install lubuntu on an hdd connected with an drive adapter?)


[04:01] <mup> Bug #1597170 opened: juju beta10 fails to deploy all services in aws if storage is not ready <conjure> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1597170>
[07:22] <hoenir> why in github.com/juju/juju/provider/common/bootstrap.go at line 365 why fmt.Fprintf target is os.stderr ?
[07:26] <hoenir> anyone?
[07:27] <hoenir> I'ts just an informative logging message :-? so why not use the log system there?
[07:40] <rick_h_> hoenir: will see if axw can help you there ^
[08:02] <hoenir> no need, I figure It out why
[09:41] <mup> Bug #1564524 changed: Unable to deploy openstack base using juju2 and maas 1.9 <cdo-qa> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1564524>
[12:11] <mup> Bug #1597318 opened: xenial containers on trusty host need lxc packages from trusty-backports <kanban-cross-team> <landscape> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1597318>
[12:50] <perrito666> oh, we should definitely try to work juju in this https://research.googleblog.com/2016/06/project-bloks-making-code-physical-for.html
[13:05] <natefinch> fwereade: I think I have a nice simplification to that pinger code
[13:05] <natefinch> fwereade: the trick is that Pinger itself is 99% the same as a time.Timer
[13:06] <mup> Bug #1455627 opened: TestAgentConnectionDelaysShutdownWithPing fails <ci> <intermittent-failure> <lxc> <test-failure> <unit-tests> <windows> <juju-core:Triaged by dimitern> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1455627>
[13:36] <mup> Bug #1597342 opened: Juju 2 is using a LXD API that is not in the released version of LXD 2.0 <juju-core:In Progress by frobware> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1597342>
[13:39] <mup> Bug #1597342 changed: Juju 2 is using a LXD API that is not in the released version of LXD 2.0 <juju-core:In Progress by frobware> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1597342>
[13:42] <mup> Bug #1597342 opened: Juju 2 is using a LXD API that is not in the released version of LXD 2.0 <juju-core:In Progress by frobware> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1597342>
[14:21] <mup> Bug #1597354 opened: Juju 2.0 Resource Error - cannot add resource failed to write data: read tcp : i/o timeout <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1597354>
[14:30] <mup> Bug #1597354 changed: Juju 2.0 Resource Error - cannot add resource failed to write data: read tcp : i/o timeout <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1597354>
[14:36] <mup> Bug #1597354 opened: Juju 2.0 Resource Error - cannot add resource failed to write data: read tcp : i/o timeout <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1597354>
[14:51] <mup> Bug #1597372 opened: juju2beta10 websockets api: Inconsistency in lowercasing of endpoints in deltas versus servers key in login response <kanban-cross-team> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1597372>
[15:03] <mup> Bug #1597378 opened: Juju 2.0-beta10 appears to be missing `resource-get` help output <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1597378>
[16:36] <rogpeppe1> anyone dare to review this? http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5166/
[17:59] <redir> still looking for a shipit.... http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5153/
[17:59] <redir> still looking for a shipit.... http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5153/
[17:59] <redir> no idea if i've connected to IRC yet.
[18:00] <redir> bbbiab
[18:58] <mup> Bug #1597481 opened: Juju should not override explicit workload status <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1597481>
[19:28] <mup> Bug #1597490 opened: juju 2.0-beta9.1: juju relation status PROVIDES and CONSUMES confused <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1597490>
[21:22] <mup> Bug #1597516 opened: juju2beta10 websocket api: Inconsistency lower-case Scope and Directive placement parameters  <kanban-cross-team> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1597516>
[21:22] <mup> Bug #1597519 opened: juju 2 beta10, resources facade lower-case inconsistency with all other facades <conjure> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1597519>
[23:02] <mup> Bug #1597378 changed: Juju 2.0-beta10 appears to be missing `resource-get` help output <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1597378>


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