[02:15] <Cloudchaser> has anyone sync'd a palm with ubuntu?
[02:15] <Pozac> DarthJ, The Gnome Sound server uses /dev/dspp
[02:15] <Pozac> -p
[02:16] <DarthJ> what can i do to get sound?
[02:16] <Pozac> DarthJ, so use DSP output if the programs support it
[02:16] <Pozac> or disable the sound server in System -> Settings -> Sound
[02:17] <da_bon_bon> sorry
[02:17] <da_bon_bon> anyone here? sidd and hypn0 left ?
[02:17] <DarthJ> i have now disabled it but i here nothing
[02:17] <DarthJ> hear
[02:18] <Pozac> DarthJ, try running lsof /dev/dsp
[02:18] <Pozac> from terminal
[02:18] <Pozac> lsof = LiSt Open Files
[02:19] <DarthJ> its opened by rythmbox
[02:19] <Pozac> and rhythmbox is not running?
[02:20] <DarthJ> i run rythmbox but with no errror but i heat nothing
[02:20] <DarthJ> hear
[02:20] <Pozac> DarthJ, ok, do you have the gstreamer-plugins-mad package?
[02:21] <DarthJ> i dont know i have installed standard installation
[02:21] <punkrockguy318> why is my ALSA mixer so confusing?  OSS is simple (volume, bass, speaker, line-in, mic, cd, etc), but ALSA has ilke Headphone LFE, TONE, about 20 EMU PCM Sends... what the  heck?
[02:21] <Cloudchaser> no palm users here?
[02:21] <Zotnix> When I try to run glxgears I get a weird error, "[sis_alloc.c:154] : Failure to allocate Z buffer." I've search google which showed nothing about this error.. not sure what it is at all. The file doesn't exist (as far as locate it telling me. Searching for it now).
[02:21] <punkrockguy318> and how am I using both ALSA and OSS?
[02:21] <Zotnix> OSS is emulated I think
[02:21] <Zotnix> alsa_oss
[02:21] <punkrockguy318> oh
[02:21] <punkrockguy318> but why is the ALSA mixer so homo?
[02:22] <Pozac> DarthJ, Sounds like you need to read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:23] <punkrockguy318> oh so ALSA is emulated, and the OSS mixer is set up for use
[02:23] <punkrockguy318> right?
[02:23] <Pozac> punkrockguy318, alsa emulates the oss interface
[02:23] <punkrockguy318> Pozac, right... and Ubuntu sets up the OSS Mixer correct?  And leaves the ALSA mixer for serious tweaking?
[02:23] <Pozac> punkrockguy318, through the snd_pcm_oss and snd_mixer_oss modules
[02:23] <punkrockguy318> yeah
[02:24] <punkrockguy318> i was just wondering why I had both Mixers in my Volume control
[02:24] <punkrockguy318> and why ALSA had so many odd channels
[02:24] <Pozac> punkrockguy318, it just shows all available mixers
[02:24] <punkrockguy318> there are over 100
[02:24] <Pozac> punkrockguy318, I think it depends on your sound card :)
[02:24] <punkrockguy318> and there are at least 10 EMU10k1 pcms
[02:24] <Pozac> lots of stuff to tweak
[02:24] <punkrockguy318> Pozac, yeah
[02:25] <punkrockguy318> Pozac, so Ubuntu put the OSS mixer in there for basic usage, and the ALSA for advanced right?
[02:25] <Pozac> punkrockguy318, all mixers are in there
[02:25] <punkrockguy318> yeah, i know.  But the OSS mixer is so nice and neat
[02:25] <Pozac> punkrockguy318, I installed a saa7134 tv card in a machine, and it's mixer also came up inthere :)
[02:25] <Pozac> punkrockguy318, give it time :)
[02:26] <Pozac> and use the OSS mixer for now
[02:26] <punkrockguy318> okay
[02:26] <punkrockguy318> thanks :D
[02:26] <punkrockguy318> Pozac, is there a comand line version of the OSS mixer?  like alsamixer?
[02:26] <DarthJ> gstreamer-mad was already installed
[02:26] <Pozac> punkrockguy318, I've used aumix in the past
[02:26] <punkrockguy318> oh yeah I forgot about aumix
[02:26] <Pozac> :)
[02:26] <punkrockguy318> thanks :D
[02:27] <Pozac> DarthJ, Odd
[02:27] <da_bon_bon> hi all.
[02:27] <Pozac> hi da_bon_bon
[02:27] <da_bon_bon> is there anyway to get a bootsplash on ubuntu ?
[02:27] <punkrockguy318> my speakers are broken I think, the volume wheel doesn't change the volume...
[02:27] <punkrockguy318> lol
[02:27] <Pozac> da_bon_bon, you can code it :)
[02:27] <da_bon_bon> Pozac: any readymade way :D ??
[02:27] <DarthJ> pozac: what do you mean?
[02:27] <Pozac> da_bon_bon, don't think so..
[02:28] <da_bon_bon> btw, people say livecd has botospalsh, but i dont see it ??
[02:28] <punkrockguy318> Pozac, thanks a lot for all your help :D
[02:29] <Pozac> DarthJ, try opening the Applications -> System -> System Monitor and end the rhythmbox process
[02:29] <Pozac> da_bon_bon, I haven't tried it (yet.. shame on me), do you get 80x25 text mode or a higher resolution on boot?
[02:30] <etorix> you need bootsplash enabled in the kernel
[02:31] <etorix> then install a theme
[02:31] <da_bon_bon> Pozac: lemme se
[02:41] <glyce101> hi again
[02:41] <glyce101> thx for help but didn work
[02:43] <glyce101> dies anyone know how to add lines to modules.conf ??
[02:43] <glyce101> ive read, that i cannot do this directly in the file
[02:43] <glyce101> http://jeremy.zawodny.com/misc/thinkpad-600e-sound.html
[02:44] <glyce101> found this page to get sound work..
[02:44] <glyce101> but dont know how to do it in ubuntu linux
[02:48] <M4R2H411> http://radi0.blackboxz.net:8000/listen.pls [-=BlackBoxz Radio=-]  [Server Status] :  Server is currently up and public.
[02:48] <glyce101> where can i search for help ?
[02:49] <Cloudchaser> hiya..could anyone here maybe help me with something?
[02:49] <Cloudchaser> i'm trying to get my palm to sync with gnome-pilog
[02:49] <Cloudchaser> pilot
[02:49] <Cloudchaser> all the modules seem to be there
[02:49] <Cloudchaser> dmesg shows its detected
[02:50] <Cloudchaser> but...it just hangs when i try to sync it
[02:55] <siretart> has someone made experiences with webcal? I'd like to have a shared calendar/todo list for evolution (2.x). what do I need for doing that?
[02:56] <Cloudchaser> is there an xml viewer/editor in ubuntu?
[02:57] <arrrrrr> hello
[02:57] <arrrrrr> does anyone have a working XF86config file for dual head monitor?
[02:58] <arrrrrr> also, strangely when I tried to install ubuntu, it says that linux image 386 cannot be installed in my computer. I wonder why
[02:58] <arrrrrr> i have a sata hard drive by the way
[02:58] <arrrrrr> but ubuntu still detects my partition..
[02:58] <glyce101> ..
[02:58] <glyce101> nothing happens
[02:59] <etorix> yeah i found ubuntu sees my SATA .. but not my hardware clock
[03:01] <anir> hey guys
[03:01] <anir> how are you all
[03:01] <anir> merry xmas
[03:02] <anir> well can anyone tell me how will i install java on my sys??
[03:02] <bobmepis> fine thanks merry xmas
[03:02] <bobmepis> to you
[03:02] <anir> thank you bobmepis
[03:03] <anir> guys can you help me??
[03:04] <arrrrrr> i did last time
[03:04] <arrrrrr> i remember there are two types
[03:04] <arrrrrr> use the bugger one (the package to download)
[03:04] <arrrrrr> i mean
[03:04] <arrrrrr> bigger
[03:04] <arrrrrr> sorry
[03:04] <arrrrrr> i don't think it's binary
[03:05] <max_sam> well i downloaded the package.. but i dont know how to install it on the system..
[03:05] <max_sam> well as i type su and give my password.. the sys not accepting it
[03:05] <max_sam> hey bur[n] er_ can u help me?
[03:06] <bobmepis> java2sdk swtandard edition http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/downloads.jsp
[03:06] <max_sam> crimsun i need your help
[03:06] <max_sam> bobmepis: i downloaded the package.. now i cant install it in the sys
[03:07] <xevil> max_sam you trying to install a .deb package?
[03:08] <max_sam> xevil: well i went to the java.com site and i installed the self extracted package
[03:09] <max_sam> xevil: doesnot the .deb file works on ubuntu??
[03:09] <xevil> oh yes...
[03:09] <max_sam> xevil: soo..??
[03:09] <max_sam> waht the command to install the package??
[03:10] <xevil> is that what you're trying to install? a .deb file?
[03:10] <etorix> so what java deb?
[03:10] <etorix> sun doesnt supply .debs
[03:10] <max_sam> xevil:well i dont know..i downloaded from their site
[03:11] <zenwhen> 2.6.10 stable :O
[03:11] <xevil> max_sam you tried reading their documentation?
[03:11] <etorix> go read on the wiki
[03:12] <zenwhen> max_sam, have you tried http://ubuntuguide.org
[03:12] <zenwhen> They have java instructions that work,
[03:12] <zenwhen> .
[03:13] <max_sam> xevil: i read.. its written. to install type su and give your password.. but when i type su and give my password on the terminal.. it says su: authetication failure..sorry
[03:13] <etorix> thats beside the point
[03:13] <Cloudchaser> hey when i look in my /dev there is no ttyUSB1 or pilot devices
[03:14] <Cloudchaser> doesn't ubuntu hav a full /dev list?
[03:15] <bobmepis> sudo xterm -ls -sb ti to open root terminal
[03:15] <Cloudchaser> i'm a little bit confused and not so knowledgeable...but the how-to told me to make a symlink which i did but can't find
[03:15] <sjoerd> Cloudchaser: devices are created when they appear in the kernel
[03:15] <Cloudchaser> i'm not sure i understand that...
[03:15] <Cloudchaser> i'm sorry
[03:15] <Cloudchaser> i'm trying to get my palm to sync
[03:16] <Cloudchaser> the ubuntu guide said to do this:
[03:16] <Cloudchaser>  $ sudo ln -s /dev/ttyUSB1 /dev/pilot
[03:16] <Cloudchaser> i did that
[03:16] <Cloudchaser> but it won't sync..it just hangs when i try to set up the program
[03:16] <sjoerd> Cloudchaser: do you have a /dev/ttyUSB0 ?
[03:17] <Cloudchaser> there is no /dev/ttyUSB1 or /dev/pilot or /devttyUSB0
[03:17] <Cloudchaser> lots of ttyS's
[03:18] <Cloudchaser> and tty through tty63
[03:18] <Cloudchaser> but no USB ones
[03:18] <sjoerd> Cloudchaser: does the device-manager see your device ?
[03:19] <xevil> max_sam try sudo -s... that will get you a root shell... then type exit
[03:19] <Cloudchaser> doesn't seem to be in the device manager list..it shows up in usbview
[03:20] <Cloudchaser> and in dmesg it shows the device connecting
[03:20] <Cloudchaser> visor 1-1.1:1.0: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter detected
[03:20] <Cloudchaser> usb 1-1.1: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now attached to ttyUSB0
[03:20] <Cloudchaser> usb 1-1.1: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now attached to ttyUSB1
[03:20] <Cloudchaser> modprobe visor returns nothing
[03:21] <Cloudchaser> all the necessary modules are loaded up in lsmod
[03:24] <Cloudchaser> sjoerd, if its not in the device manager...what would i do next?
[03:24] <Cloudchaser> the device manager doesn't show my wireless mouse either but thats working fine
[03:25] <sjoerd> well it should at least show your usb devices
[03:25] <sjoerd> you can doublecheck by doing lsusb in a console
[03:25] <sjoerd> your palm should show up if it's connected to usb
[03:25] <Cloudchaser> mross@ubuntu:/dev $ sudo lsusb
[03:25] <Cloudchaser> Bus 001 Device 012: ID 046d:c508 Logitech, Inc.
[03:25] <Cloudchaser> Bus 001 Device 011: ID 0451:1446 Texas Instruments, Inc. TUSB2040/2070 Hub
[03:25] <Cloudchaser> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[03:26] <ogra> and you shouldnt follow this strange guide, $ sudo ln -s /dev/ttyUSB1 /dev/pilot is totally wrong
[03:26] <Cloudchaser> shows my hub and my mouse and unknown
[03:26] <Cloudchaser> strange guide?
[03:26] <ogra> yep
[03:26] <Cloudchaser> its not strange...
[03:26] <Cloudchaser> wrong in this instance maybe...
[03:26] <Cloudchaser> but anyway
[03:27] <sjoerd> you can ignore the 0000:0000 stuff
[03:27] <ogra> i fixed a nvidia setup yesterday, it took me 4 hours to get the Xserver running again for the guy that followed the guide
[03:27] <Cloudchaser> well right now its all i have..i've googled and looked in the forums
[03:27] <Cloudchaser> but can't find an answer
[03:27] <ogra> it is wron (or just with too many maual effort) in many places
[03:27] <sjoerd> Cloudchaser: it looks like your palm isn't connected the right way ?
[03:27] <ogra> +g
[03:28] <ogra> Cloudchaser: there are several threads in the ubuntu-users list
[03:28] <Cloudchaser> well its connected via usb but it doesn't seem to communicate with gnome-pilot
[03:28] <Cloudchaser> hmm i don't have that one in my bookmarks
[03:29] <ogra> Cloudchaser: gmane is a good place for searching the mailing list
[03:29] <Cloudchaser> whats gmane?
[03:29] <sjoerd> Cloudchaser: if the kernel doesn't see it on usb then there is no point in the other apps
[03:30] <ogra> www.gmane.org
[03:30] <Cloudchaser> how do i know if the kernel sees it?
[03:30] <sjoerd> that's what lsusb shows you
[03:30] <zenwhen> ogra, are you compiling the christmas kernel? :)
[03:30] <ogra> heh, nope zenwhen, i compile the mataro screensaver lock window currently ;)
[03:31] <sjoerd> ogra: btw is it just the window or can it do more
[03:31] <Cloudchaser> so whats seeing the device if usbview and dmesg sees it?
[03:31] <Cloudchaser> the gmane search for palm in group ubuntu-users came up with no results
[03:32] <ogra> currently just the win, i wanted more, but jdub trys to keep me away from too much effort as he wants the gnome screensaver to go in after hoary
[03:32] <Cloudchaser> is there a link to hte list?
[03:32] <sjoerd> ogra: ah right, good point
[03:32] <borgmeister> merry christmas
[03:32] <sjoerd> Cloudchaser: uh, usbviews sees it but lsusb doesn't ?
[03:32] <Cloudchaser> merry christmas ;)
[03:33] <Cloudchaser> yes
[03:33] <sjoerd> that's odd
[03:33] <vegai> jubilous Yule to you all ;)
[03:34] <ogra> Cloudchaser:  http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
[03:34] <Cloudchaser> thanks ogra
[03:35] <ogra> someone should really review the ubuntuguide page......
[03:35] <sjoerd> Cloudchaser: and sudo lsusb
[03:35] <spikeb> hi folks and happy holidays
[03:35] <Cloudchaser> sjoerd, i did sudo it  :)
[03:36] <sjoerd> that's very weird.. because they both look at what the kernel knows
[03:36] <ogra> sjoerd: lets see what i can do dbus wise, even if ubuntu will switch to gnome-screensaver, debian will still use xscreensaver in lots of setups ;)
[03:36] <Cloudchaser> odd..now usbview is'nt showing mouse or visor
[03:37] <spikeb> gnome-screensaver?
[03:37] <sjoerd> ogra: well don't go into the trouble if gnome-screensaver is gonna take over
[03:37] <scotth> I'm having a slight problem with my cdrom running hoary
[03:37] <sjoerd> ogra: the deiban gnome desktop will use gnome-screensaver then too
[03:37] <Cloudchaser> i have to get this working
[03:37] <Cloudchaser> i lost all my info 2 days ago when my visor's battery ran out
[03:38] <ogra> sjoerd: ok.... i will sotp afte utf-8 is in ;)
[03:38] <Cloudchaser> because i forgot to backup the sync stuff when i reformatted
[03:38] <scotth> basically its not recognized at all across a reboot where before it was having issues ejecting the cdrom and now udev doesn't create the device nodes for it
[03:38] <ogra> stop
[03:38] <scotth> any thoughts?
[03:38] <sjoerd> ogra: and then you'll start hacking on gnome-screensaver ;)
[03:38] <ogra> heh
[03:38] <Cloudchaser> ah here we go@
[03:38] <ogra> good point
[03:38] <Cloudchaser> when i hit the sync button
[03:38] <Cloudchaser> it shows in usbview and in lsusb
[03:38] <Cloudchaser> Bus 001 Device 014: ID 082d:0200 Handspring
[03:38] <Cloudchaser> Bus 001 Device 012: ID 046d:c508 Logitech, Inc.
[03:38] <Cloudchaser> Bus 001 Device 011: ID 0451:1446 Texas Instruments, Inc. TUSB2040/2070 Hub
[03:38] <Cloudchaser> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[03:38] <vegai> http://www.samsungexplore.com/playing/games_arcade/AdventCalendar/day24.html
[03:39] <lek> Ah 2.6.10 is out
[03:39] <spikeb> yay
[03:39] <spikeb> wonder what they broke this time
[03:39] <Cloudchaser> so thats good right sjoerd?
[03:39] <Cloudchaser> now we have that anyway
[03:40] <Cloudchaser> and now device manager sees it
[03:40] <sjoerd> Cloudchaser: that's better, yes
[03:40] <sjoerd> Cloudchaser: now does the device manager also show an usb serial port for it ?
[03:41] <Cloudchaser> it shows as a usb device
[03:41] <sjoerd> Cloudchaser: or in other words do you have a /dev/ttyUSB0
[03:41] <Cloudchaser> yes!
[03:41] <sjoerd> :)
[03:41] <Cloudchaser> and a ttyusb1!
[03:41] <Cloudchaser> i guess it uses both
[03:42] <Cloudchaser> but for sync ttyusb1
[03:42] <sjoerd> apparently
[03:42] <Cloudchaser> hence the link
[03:42] <Cloudchaser> so it should link ttyUSB1 to /dev/pilot
[03:42] <sjoerd> you should just configure gpilot to use /dev/ttyUSB1 i guess
[03:43] <Cloudchaser> thats not an option
[03:43] <Cloudchaser> its /dev/pilot
[03:43] <sjoerd> stupid program
[03:43] <Cloudchaser> or ttyS0-3
[03:44] <Cloudchaser> so i have to make link for ttyUSB1 to /dev/pilot
[03:44] <Cloudchaser> which i did but it doesn't show up there, i'll try doing it again
[03:45] <Cloudchaser> ok now i see the link ;)
[03:45] <ogra> Cloudchaser: btw, here is a better gmane link for future searches: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.user
[03:46] <Cloudchaser> unfortunately..the visor locked up when i hit the sync button before
[03:47] <HcE> woho
[03:47] <HcE> <-- fglrx and 2.6.10 =)
[03:48] <spikeb> <---ubuntu default and DRI
[03:48] <spikeb> heh
[03:48] <Cloudchaser> hmm one thing said he had to reboot for jpilot to work
[03:48] <Cloudchaser> i'll try that and if gnome-pilot still doesn't work i'll try jpilot
[03:49] <spikeb> i still think ubuntu sounds like a breed of cow
[03:49] <etorix> hmm ati has new xorg drivers?
[03:49] <ogra> Cloudchaser: multisync with evolution seems also a good way
[03:49] <zenwhen> ten bucks says they suck
[03:49] <Cloudchaser> cept i don't use evolution...
[03:50] <Cloudchaser> i guess i could though
[03:50] <etorix> 15!
[03:50] <Cloudchaser> i'll look up multisync too
[03:50] <ogra> Cloudchaser: dunno if multisync is tied to evo though
[03:50] <spikeb> i dont see anything on ati's website about new drivers.
[03:50] <Cloudchaser> i just need to save my data and install programs to my visor
[03:50] <miausX> hi and... merry xmas!! :))
[03:51] <spikeb> same to you miausX
[03:51] <ogra> merry xmas
[03:51] <miausX> thanks spikeb ;)
[03:51] <miausX> hehehe, I'm happy to see you here :D
[03:52] <miausX> lol :D
[03:53] <etorix> http://www.ati.com/support/drivers/linux/radeon-linux.html?type=linux&prodType=graphic&prod=productsLINUXdriver&submit.x=7&submit.y=11
[03:54] <Cloudchaser> reading the ubuntu-user postings about it but no solutions so far
[03:54] <ogra> etorix: ?
[03:54] <spikeb> all i see are the drivers from november
[03:54] <ogra> for xfree
[03:55] <etorix> i dont use ati
[03:55] <spikeb> im stuck with a radeon on this motherboard
[03:55] <spikeb> bleh
[03:55] <ogra> spikeb: using warty or hoary ?
[03:56] <spikeb> warty
[03:56] <Hikaru79> Is wxPython already included in Ubuntu's version of Python?
[03:56] <Hikaru79> Because I can't find it anywhere else in the respository
[03:56] <ogra> spikeb: there are tested ati drivers in a nice package.....
[03:56] <Hikaru79> And it seems like too popular a package for it to be simply missing from warty.
[03:56] <spikeb> ogra, aye - i'd use them if i wanted to play games
[03:57] <ogra> ah, ok......
[03:57] <spikeb> my processor is too wimpy to play the one game i want to play correctly
[03:57] <spikeb> heh
[03:57] <ogra> heh
[03:59] <Hikaru79> Does Ubuntu's python come with wx bindings?
[03:59] <spikeb> hmm
[03:59] <sjoerd> Hikaru79: you should be able to install the python wx bindings
[04:00] <ogra> i think in universe.....
[04:00] <sjoerd> probably
[04:03] <spikeb> i saw that hoary will have another menu
[04:03] <spikeb> a places menu. :)
[04:03] <ogra> spikeb: the name could still change ;)
[04:04] <dorle> hi, how do i switch to a danish language (gnome's menus, etc.) for a particular user on my system?
[04:04] <Cloudchaser> ok read all the visor posts...no solutions for me ;(
[04:04] <spikeb> ogra, from what i saw, the name was perfect - that menu had entries for some of  the different "places" one can get to on their puter
[04:05] <ogra> dorle: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales brings you the right support... then you can select danish in gdm on login
[04:05] <Josip> i type <ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS>> , but when i reboot and type ifconfig i get inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>
[04:05] <Josip> any ideas why this happens ?
[04:05] <spikeb> Josip, it sounds like you have dhcp on your network
[04:05] <ogra> spikeb: but there is still an ongoing discussion afaik
[04:06] <spikeb> hmm
[04:06] <Josip> i have ethernet modem
[04:06] <Josip> it works as dhcp
[04:06] <spikeb> ogra, judging from warty, i am confident the final decision will be a good one :)
[04:06] <Cloudchaser> grrr now its connecting to usb2 and usb3 ...instead of usb0 and usb1
[04:06] <ogra> spikeb: yep :)
[04:06] <Lathiat2> Cloudchaser: reboot, probably got stuck devices
[04:06] <Lathiat2> from dangling file handles
[04:06] <Cloudchaser> yah
[04:07] <ogra> Cloudchaser: see some documentation for udev, how to set a link for /dev/pilot to ttyUSBX
[04:07] <CheatersRealm> none of my hardware-accelerated screensavers work in hoary, anyone know why?
[04:07] <spikeb> this is pretty cool though - now i have a desktop distro, and a server distro that's similar (debian proper for server)
[04:07] <CheatersRealm> glxgears doesn't work either
[04:07] <dorle> ogra: alright, nice
[04:07] <spikeb> somethings broken
[04:07] <Lukas> I need to install kernel-headers and i have kernel-<IP_ADDRESS> but there are no such kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-686
[04:07] <ogra> CheatersRealm: video card ?
[04:08] <spikeb> either your config or the hoary packages
[04:08] <CheatersRealm> ogra, nvidia gf3
[04:08] <ogra> dorle: frohe weihnachten ;)
[04:08] <ogra> CheatersRealm: warty ?
[04:08] <SomeOtherNerd> Lukas: try linux-headers
[04:08] <dorle> ogra: danke gleichfalls!
[04:08] <spikeb> Lukas, it's under the name linux-headers
[04:08] <CheatersRealm> ogra, hoary
[04:08] <Cloudchaser> oh wiat a min..i remember once...i saw something that said i have to be member of dialup and something else...
[04:08] <Lukas> SomeOtherNerd: apt-get install linux-headers?
[04:08] <CheatersRealm> ogra, they worked in warty
[04:09] <spikeb> CheatersRealm, then hoary broke it :)
[04:09] <CheatersRealm> spikeb, obviously
[04:09] <SomeOtherNerd> Lukas: apt-get install linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>
[04:09] <CheatersRealm> spikeb, how can I un-break it?
[04:09] <spikeb> CheatersRealm, bitch and wait a little bit for updated packages?
[04:09] <spikeb> heh
[04:09] <spikeb> i dunno, i went back to warty
[04:09] <ogra> CheatersRealm: did you update the nvidia-glx package ?
[04:09] <CheatersRealm> ogra ywah
[04:10] <ogra> CheatersRealm: hmm, then you have to wait until the X maintainer is back from holidays i guess :/
[04:10] <CheatersRealm> ogra, ok
[04:10] <dzogi_> what did you say about my question ?
[04:10] <dzogi_> something happend ;-(
[04:12] <dzogi_> i type <ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS>> but when i reboot i get <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:12] <spikeb> i think i might just get myself a sempteron mobo/cpu combo :)
[04:12] <dzogi_> any ideas why this happens ?
[04:12] <dzogi_> spikeb, Sempron you mean ? :)
[04:12] <spikeb> ahh yes
[04:12] <spikeb> that i mean.
[04:12] <Dzogi> bah, better go for AMD64
[04:12] <Dzogi> Socket 949
[04:13] <Dzogi> i hate Semprons
[04:13] <Dzogi> :)
[04:13] <spikeb> dont have that kind of money
[04:13] <spikeb> heh
[04:13] <ogra> dzogi_: looks like you get a dhcp address from anywhere....or <IP_ADDRESS> is set up in /etc/network/interfaces
[04:14] <Dzogi> # The primary network interface
[04:14] <Dzogi> auto eth0
[04:14] <Dzogi> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[04:14] <Dzogi> pasting from /etc/network/interfaces
[04:14] <ogra> not here please
[04:14] <Dzogi> 3 lines
[04:14] <ogra> ah, ok, if thats all
[04:14] <ogra> so dhcp is enabled ;)
[04:16] <ogra> Dzogi: either adjust your dhcp server or use a fixed ip (with the network config tool or by a manual entry in /etc/network/interfaces)
[04:17] <Dzogi> already doing the second option
[04:17] <Dzogi> :)
[04:18] <Dzogi> auto eth0
[04:18] <Dzogi> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[04:18] <Dzogi>         address <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:18] <Dzogi>         netmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:18] <Dzogi> this shall work i think
[04:18] <ogra> nope, remove dhcp.....
[04:18] <Dzogi> except instead of dhcp shall stay static
[04:18] <ogra> yep
[04:18] <Dzogi> brb
[04:18] <Dzogi> to reboot ;-)
[04:18] <ogra> ifdow/ ifup woud do
[04:18] <ogra> +l
[04:28] <drspin> alright - I'm installing ubuntu in a few minutes... if my net card worked with the LiveCD, is it safe to assume that it will work out of the box after an install?
[04:29] <Lukas> How do I install nvidia drivers - do I need to install the nvidia drivers and nvidia-glx?
[04:29] <spikeb> yes
[04:29] <drspin> yes
[04:30] <drspin> so about my net card??
[04:30] <drspin> any t akers?
[04:30] <ogra> Lukas: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:30] <Lukas> The nvidia driver says I dont have something binary precompiled for my kernel and if it should download it
[04:30] <spikeb> do an upgrade first
[04:31] <ogra> Lukas: use the ubuntu nvidia driver ;)
[04:31] <spikeb> to make sure you have the latest kernel
[04:31] <spikeb> and make sure you use the ubuntu driver
[04:31] <Lukas> how/what should i upgrade?
[04:32] <borgmeister_> does anyone know an application similar to peer gaudian for linux?
[04:32] <ogra> Lukas: see the wiki page
[04:32] <spikeb> what is peer gaudian?
[04:32] <spikeb> (guardian i assume)
[04:32] <ogra> spikeb: peer is the bad guy that always resets connections in irc *g*
[04:32] <spikeb> lol
[04:32] <borgmeister_> its a program that i use in windows to stop nasty people like the riaa sending you naff data during bittirrent sessions
[04:33] <spikeb> hmm
[04:34] <drspin> alright - I'm installing ubuntu in a few minutes... if my net card worked with the LiveCD, is it safe to assume that it will work out of the box after an install?
[04:34] <spikeb> drspin, yes
[04:34] <drspin> K thanks!
[04:34] <drspin> :)
[04:34] <drspin> be back in an hour or so - hopefully!
[04:35] <spikeb> good luck :)
[04:35] <drspin> oh still have to burn the CD and copy my data and whatnot to my other drive
[04:36] <spikeb> wtf is goobox part of gnome 2.9 for
[04:36] <ogra> Goobox is an CD player and ripper for GNOME 2 environment. It follows the "Just Works" principle so its interface is beautiful and easy-to-use.
[04:38] <drspin> Is there a Conexant driver for Ubuntu?
[04:39] <ogra> drspin: smartlink is there.....http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:40] <drspin> thanks
[04:40] <ogra> drspin: not sure if it wirks for conexant modems.....but i guess so
[04:40] <drspin> Ill try it and let you know
[04:41] <ogra> :)
[04:43] <siretart> does anyone know a webcal server suitable for evolution?
[04:47] <Cloudchaser> well i gave up on gnome-pilot
[04:47] <Cloudchaser> and got jpilot
[04:47] <Cloudchaser> but can't find anywhere in it to set up the syncing
[04:47] <tsw> Is there something funny with kernel-image-2.6.8-4-686 my laptop lost pcmcia after upgrading (and booting)?
[04:48] <tsw> says no sockets found
[04:48] <tsw> 2.6.8-3-686 worked fine
[04:48] <ogra> tsw: you shouldnt use the vanilla kernel, take the ubuntu patched one i.e. linux-image-2.6.8-4-686, not kernel-image-2.6.8-4-686
[04:49] <tsw> hmm ill check wich one was it
[04:49] <tsw> no pcmcia means no network on my laptop amt
[04:49] <tsw> atm
[04:49] <ogra> tsw: synaptic will show whats installed :)
[04:50] <tsw> ogra: never used synaptic :) I work from shell
[04:50] <carajea1> is there a good avi player with the files already installed
[04:50] <spikeb> no
[04:51] <tsw> ogra: it seems it is linux-image-...
[04:51] <ogra> tsw: any selfcompiled modules for your pcmcia device ?
[04:52] <tsw> ogra: atmel wlan driver, but I disabled it already..
[04:52] <carajea1> my avi file will not play in totem whats worng and i dont know how to play it in xine
[04:52] <tsw> /etc/init.d/pcmcia restart says cardmbr: no sockets found
[04:53] <ogra> tsw: there was some inconsisten ABI change due to a security hole upstream.....if you compiled your own modules you will have to recompile them
[04:53] <tsw> ogra: yes I know that, but the pcmcia should work if i dont use the atmel module
[04:53] <ogra> carajea1: install totem-xine, it uses xine as a backend for totem
[04:53] <lek> i like gxine better
[04:53] <tsw> even if I take all the cards out pcmcia "base" wont load
[04:54] <ogra> tsw: do you know what the atmel driver changed ?
[04:54] <ogra> tsw: probably also the pcmcia stuff.....
[04:55] <tsw> ogra: I know that last night I updated the image and in the morning when I rebooted pcmcia didnt start
[04:55] <tsw> the old atmel driver is disabled so it shouldnt make any difference
[04:55] <tsw> and for some reason upgrade also removed 2.6.8-3 version
[04:56] <ogra> tsw: if compiling the atmel driver introduced changes to the pcmcia stack......
[04:56] <tsw> ogra: but shouldnt the new image write over those changes
[04:57] <ogra> tsw: probably it changes cardmgr.....i dunno....
[04:57] <Razbad> hi all...I'm new to linux/ubuntu and am having a hard time with finding the root password as it was not displayed during the ubuntu install
[04:57] <vegai> there's no such thing
[04:57] <vegai> use sudo
[04:57] <vegai> (is there? ;)
[04:58] <Cloudchaser> darn i get same results with jpilot as i did with gnome pilot
[04:58] <Razbad> when I do it asks for the root password
[04:58] <Cloudchaser> ;(
[04:58] <vegai> Razbad: no, it asks for your user's password
[04:58] <Razbad> when I put mine in it tells me incorrect password
[04:59] <vegai> then there's something amiss ;)
[04:59] <Razbad> that's what I figured
[04:59] <vegai> is that user in group wheel, I wonder?
[04:59] <Razbad> I tried sudo -s -H and it appears to work
[04:59] <SomeOtherNerd> vegai: it's a remnant of *BSD
[05:00] <vegai> SomeOtherNerd: hm?
[05:00] <SomeOtherNerd> vegai: unless you know how to use it, don't bother
[05:00] <vegai> SomeOtherNerd: hm again ;)?
[05:00] <attaq> could some one help me with some questions about translucent widnows in x?
[05:00] <vegai> granted, I've used *BSD more than Ubuntu, so ...
[05:01] <SomeOtherNerd> vegai: in *BSD, only users in group wheel can use su to switch users
[05:01] <vegai> yes
[05:01] <vegai> wasn't ubuntu's sudo by default configured like that too?
[05:01] <SomeOtherNerd> vegai: many GNU/Linux distros include a wheel group, but don't use it
[05:01] <Razbad> vegai: it won't allow me to change the root password either
[05:01] <vegai> dr_willis: wheels drive a car... that's the metaphor, I think
[05:02] <dr_willis> vegai,  heh - somthing like "suallowed" was too hard eh? :P
[05:02] <vegai> but what about Ubuntu's sudo?
[05:02] <Razbad> vegai: what's a wheel group?
[05:02] <SomeOtherNerd> vegai: no, sudo is configured to allow the default user only to sudo
[05:02] <vegai> SomeOtherNerd: ok.
[05:02] <vegai> Razbad: a remnant of *BSD. ;P
[05:02] <vegai> dr_willis: why not TheUsersInThisGroupCanUseSudo ;P
[05:03] <dr_willis> vegai,  works for me.
[05:03] <Razbad> vegai: so your just talking about a user group in ubunto then?
[05:03] <dr_willis> vegai,  actually ive never seen UPPER case letters in group names.
[05:03] <vegai> frankly, I'm not sure what I'm talking about
[05:03] <vegai> some wine is involved
[05:04] <ogra> vegai: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:04] <siretart> vegai: most linux distros call the bsd "wheel" group just "root". I configure my linux systems to use that group to act like bsd
[05:04] <vegai> anyway, I wasn't the one with the problems
[05:05] <vegai> you should be talking to Razbad  ;)
[05:05] <Razbad> vegai : thanks
[05:05] <SomeOtherNerd> siretart: root is a different group and has a *very* different purpose than wheel
[05:05] <vegai> my favourite distro uses wheel like BSD (and it does other things in a BSD manner, too)
[05:05] <siretart> SomeOtherNerd: yes? please explain
[05:06] <vegai> Razbad: ogra's link seems quite helpful
[05:06] <SomeOtherNerd> siretart: group root is meant for root to be able to have a umask of 002, allowing group projects, but preventing any user other than root from writing to roots files
[05:06] <Razbad> vegai: I'm looking at it now
[05:07] <Razbad> ogra: thanks
[05:07] <ogra> :)
[05:07] <siretart> SomeOtherNerd: what is the drawback for using the group wheel like the group root?
[05:08] <SomeOtherNerd> siretart: root must not have a umask of 00*, making group projects harder
[05:09] <SomeOtherNerd> siretart: on a single user machine, or even a family machine, it doesn't matter, but it does on machines like shell.sourceforge.net
[05:09] <siretart> SomeOtherNerd: I'm note quite sure what you mean with group projects. All members of the group root have root access anyway, so I don't understand the difference..
[05:10] <Razbad> thanks for the help guys/gals...l8er
[05:11] <SomeOtherNerd> siretart: lets say you have a website in /var/www/grproj.example.net user: rmx group: grproj
[05:11] <Cloudchaser> holy toledo i'm getting somwhere with my palm!  :)
[05:11] <ogra> Cloudchaser: great ! jpiot ?
[05:11] <SomeOtherNerd> siretart: you want any user in group grproj to be able to read/write to /var/www/grproj.example.net
[05:11] <ogra> +l
[05:11] <Cloudchaser> well i found somewhere
[05:12] <Cloudchaser> that you have to push the sync button on the visor before you open the software
[05:12] <Cloudchaser> so i did that, then opened jpilot and hit sync
[05:12] <SomeOtherNerd> siretart: so /var/www/grproj.example.net should have perms 2775
[05:12] <Cloudchaser> it connected! but...its first time sync so it has no name
[05:12] <Cloudchaser> so now i have to figure out how to get it to have the sync name
[05:13] <siretart> SomeOtherNerd: so far I understood, but whats the problem with the root group now?
[05:13] <SomeOtherNerd> siretart: if root wants to change something in /var/www/grproj.example.net, s/he has to have a umask of 002 to keep perms the same
[05:13] <SomeOtherNerd> siretart: if root has a umask of 002, any user of group root can edit his/her files
[05:14] <SomeOtherNerd> siretart: EOT
[05:14] <carajean> hey do any of u know if there is a way to get a ipod to work with linux
[05:15] <SomeOtherNerd> carajean: I've read postson<EMAIL_ADDRESS>of people doing it, so it's probably possible, but I've never done it
[05:15] <spikeb> carajean, yup there sure is
[05:15] <ogra> carajean: gtkpod does some basic stuff....
[05:15] <siretart> SomeOtherNerd: this seems to me only a problem when working a lot as root, which is deprecated anyways. I think I see your point, but not the practical relevance when using root only for doing small administrative jobs
[05:16] <carajean> thank u as usual orga
[05:16] <spikeb> rhythmbox has optional ipod support
[05:16] <SomeOtherNerd> siretart: you're right, this applies more to common users than root
[05:16] <carajean> for real
[05:16] <spikeb> yes but i dont know if the version in warty has it enabled
[05:17] <Setite> hello everyone
[05:17] <siretart> SomeOtherNerd: but thanks for your explanation. next time I setup a server like shell.sf.net I'll remember that. :)
[05:18] <Setite> you better
[05:18] <SomeOtherNerd> siretart: shell.sf.net isn't *a* server, it's *many* servers
[05:18] <Setite> ah! you had to get all technical didnt you
[05:19] <SomeOtherNerd> Setite: yup ;>
[05:19] <Setite> :)
[05:19] <Setite> im bored....
[05:19] <Setite> one more week of this celeron PC
[05:19] <Cloudchaser> hmm it says i have to add a user and ID, and to use install-user "name" 12345 and to read the user manual if i am uncertain
[05:19] <SomeOtherNerd> Setite: what else would you expect from a person with a nick of SomeOtherNerd?
[05:19] <cloudburst> im bored too
[05:19] <Cloudchaser> not quite sure what user manual ;)
[05:19] <Setite> true... what was i thinkign
[05:20] <cloudburst> man lfs takes foreve
[05:20] <cloudburst> r
[05:20] <SomeOtherNerd> Cloadchaser: check man adduser
[05:20] <cloudburst> i think ill abandon it
[05:20] <Setite> cloudburst
[05:20] <Setite> what is lfs
[05:20] <cloudburst> linux from scratch
[05:21] <Cloudchaser> i found it in man install-user :)
[05:21] <Cloudchaser>  install-user - reads or sets a Palm User and UserID on a Palm Device.
[05:21] <spikeb> LFS is a PITA
[05:21] <cloudburst> i think ill just reinstall some other distro, its taking too long
[05:21] <dr_willis> time to install the 'wtf' program :p
[05:21] <dr_willis> lol
[05:21] <spikeb> pain in the ass
[05:21] <Cloudchaser> now the issue is...what was the ID it had before
[05:21] <SomeOtherNerd> spikeb: ok, I'll agree with you there
[05:21] <Cloudchaser> i have some apps that use that for registration
[05:22] <Cloudchaser> and i've no idea what it was before
[05:22] <Cloudchaser> i guess i'll just give it a number and hope for the best
[05:22] <Setite> who here knows an easy way to customize the ubuntu installer
[05:22] <Setite> like add packages to it
[05:22] <SomeOtherNerd> Setite: define easy
[05:23] <Setite> doable by me
[05:23] <joh_> Anything special to remember hen upgrading from warty to hoary?
[05:23] <Setite> probably easier than what your definition of easy it
[05:23] <ogra> joh_: that hoary can break badly probably ?
[05:23] <cole> ok so my install went well
[05:23] <SomeOtherNerd> Setite: can you make .debs? can you write a compiler? can you rewrite the linux kernel in BF?
[05:23] <Setite> no no no
[05:23] <cole> except that my USB mouse doesn't work !!!!!
[05:23] <Setite> im not even in linux
[05:23] <cole> could anyone help me get it working?
[05:23] <joh_> ogra: I know :) But I am so bored that I have to install something :)
[05:24] <Setite> does ubuntu contain a text type file?
[05:24] <SomeOtherNerd> Setite: I don't think there's an easy way to do it
[05:24] <Setite> or is there a folder i can through apps in and it will automatically install?
[05:24] <Setite> shit
[05:24] <Setite> throw*
[05:24] <ogra> joh_: just trying to save sou from to big dissapointment ;)
[05:24] <Lathiat2> Setite: it can be done, but its not trivial
[05:24] <fcomtois> how can i get gdisklet ?
[05:24] <Lathiat2> Setite: why do you want to do that?
[05:25] <Setite> well i have to be able to do it from windows
[05:25] <Setite> well not from windows i mean
[05:25] <Lathiat2> Setite: you have no hope there
[05:25] <ogra> fcomtois: install it with synaptic (its called gdesklets)
[05:25] <Lathiat2> have to use linux to customize the installer
[05:25] <Lathiat2> and even that its not trivial as i said
[05:25] <Setite> well i want to be able to have all the apps i like added in so i dont have to add them later
[05:25] <Lathiat2> Setite: also, there isnt alot of room on the cd
[05:25] <SomeOtherNerd> Setite: just get a cd and use expert mode if you need customization
[05:25] <Setite> well i would be putting it on a DVD
[05:26] <SomeOtherNerd> Setite: don't bother, the internet updates are better
[05:26] <Cloudchaser> woohooo! gave it a user name and ID :) syncing it now!!
[05:26] <Cloudchaser> it worked!!!
[05:26] <drspin> would someone please help me get my USB mouse working in a new ubuntu install?
[05:26] <ogra> Cloudchaser: happy christmas then ;)
[05:26] <Cloudchaser> ok so...thanks for everyone's help and for future reference
[05:26] <Setite> no i wanted it for like a backup deal... if i fubar my setup... i could reinstall and things like mp3, dvd, ntfs and all that would be enabled already
[05:26] <SomeOtherNerd> drspin: what's the problem?
[05:27] <drspin> my mouse doesn't work
[05:27] <Cloudchaser> you have to hit synch button, then open the software and hit sync inside the software
[05:27] <drspin> it did in the live CD just fine...
[05:27] <drspin> I just installed and booted up and nothing...
[05:27] <drspin> reprobe the USB interface maybe?
[05:28] <drspin> <<<<< soz can't us google without a mouse
[05:28] <SomeOtherNerd> have you tried unplugging it and plugging it back in?
[05:28] <ogra> Cloudchaser: if you got a bored rainy afternoon once, you could make a wiki page out of it ;)
[05:28] <drspin> yes
[05:28] <Cloudchaser> i could do that :)
[05:28] <Cloudchaser> maybe tomorrow or monday as i'm off
[05:29] <ogra> :)
[05:29] <Cloudchaser> i think i'll post into the thread in the forum that i asked for help in
[05:29] <SomeOtherNerd> drspin: when you plug it in, does dmesg | tail show anything related to it?
[05:29] <ogra> :(
[05:30] <drspin> it keeps desynchronizing and throwing 1 byte away
[05:30] <drspin> that's what dmesg|tail says
[05:31] <SomeOtherNerd> hmm :\
[05:31] <drspin> ok - I just unplugged and plugged it back in...
[05:31] <drspin> dmesg | tail
[05:31] <drspin> tells me that
[05:32] <drspin> USB1-2: new low speed USB device using address 4
[05:32] <drspin> but the mouse doesn't work
[05:32] <drspin> it's not even lit up ATM
[05:32] <briansanders4> hi
[05:33] <SomeOtherNerd> drspin: is the mouse device in /etc/X11/XF86Config /dev/input/mice?
[05:33] <briansanders4> merry christmas, anyone good with cdrw questions here?
[05:33] <drspin> not sure what you mean exactly
[05:34] <SomeOtherNerd> open /etc/X11/XF86Config in a text editor and look for a section about the mouse, the mouse device should be /dev/input/mice
[05:35] <SomeOtherNerd> briansanders4: are you asking for problems?
[05:36] <marjorie> hi there, can some one point me in the right direction for docs on wireless?
[05:36] <briansanders4> lol, no answers, hopefully
[05:36] <marjorie> ?
[05:36] <briansanders4> i have a new sony cdrw that i'm trying to get working on my parents machine
[05:36] <briansanders4> i can read from it, but not burn to it
[05:36] <SomeOtherNerd> are you in group cdrom?
[05:37] <briansanders4> yeah
[05:37] <drspin> Some: I type "sudo nano -w /etc/X11/XF86Config" but it's not finding the file
[05:37] <SomeOtherNerd> briansanders4: what program are you using?
[05:37] <Cloudchaser> now i have only one more obstacle so far on ubuntu
[05:37] <Cloudchaser> ;)
[05:37] <briansanders4> i get this error message (among others): cdrecord: Warning: controller returns wrong size for CD capabilities page.
[05:37] <briansanders4> cdrecord: Sorry, no CD/DVD-Recorder or unsupported CD/DVD-Recorder found on this target.
[05:37] <briansanders4> cdrecord: Warning: controller returns wrong size for CD capabilities page.
[05:37] <etorix> XF86Config-4
[05:38] <drspin> etorix - Ty
[05:38] <carajean> anybody that has an ipod wanna take through installation step by step
[05:38] <SomeOtherNerd> etorix: I use too many distros, they all use different names
[05:38] <etorix> heh
[05:38] <etorix> i only like debian-based really
[05:39] <SomeOtherNerd> briansanders4: try sudo cdrecord -scanbus to find the right device
[05:39] <macewan> happy holiday to those that celebrate during this time of year
[05:39] <macewan> :)
[05:39] <drspin> SomeOther: ok it shows /dev/input/mice but the next line reads "protocol" as ImPS/2
[05:40] <SomeOtherNerd> macewan: Saturnalia Laeta Tibi
[05:40] <macewan> trans?
[05:40] <SomeOtherNerd> drspin: that's probably right if it has a wheel
[05:40] <SomeOtherNerd> macewan: Happy Saturnalia To You
[05:40] <macewan> :)
[05:40] <etorix> ImPS/2 is good for usb wheel-mouse
[05:41] <SomeOtherNerd> drspin: you could chane the proto to auto
[05:41] <drspin> SomeOther : I've also tried using two different mice and get the same behavior -- they work now but moving it yields some VERY strange behavior --
[05:41] <briansanders4> it's hitting the right device
[05:42] <briansanders4> i'll im you the whole message
[05:42] <drspin> SomeOther: it's like I'm clicking buttons everytime I move the mouse... which I'm not...
[05:42] <SomeOtherNerd> briansanders4: try cdrecord with dev=
[05:42] <SomeOtherNerd> drspin: comment out the ZAxis* option(s)
[05:43] <SomeOtherNerd> drspin: nvm that wouldn't work
[05:44] <SomeOtherNerd> briansanders4: dev= shouldn't be /dev/hdd
[05:44] <SomeOtherNerd> briansanders4: it should be ATAPI:x,x,x
[05:44] <BockBilbo> hello
[05:44] <SomeOtherNerd> hi
[05:45] <BockBilbo> can anyone tell me if there are any .deb files for WIFI Radar???
[05:49] <marjorie> could someone help me getting my BCM94306 based belkin wireless card working?
[05:51] <marjorie> do i have to do all the ndis wrapper stuff on the latest release of ubuntu?
[05:52] <drspin> okay - I did a reboot and viola it works...
[05:53] <drspin> I remember last time I ran linux on this system I found that from a cold bootup I would have to let it completely boot then do a soft restart before my USB devices would work...
[05:53] <drspin> I was using a 2.4 kernel then though :/
[05:54] <RubenV> is the python musicbrainz module broken in python 2.4?
[05:56] <sid77> hi
[05:56] <balex> hi all
[05:56] <RubenV> http://cvs.musicbrainz.org/cvs/python-musicbrainz/examples/#dirlist
[05:56] <RubenV> can anyone run one of these?
[05:56] <RubenV> or are they horribly broken on hoary?
[05:57] <balex> do the site works?
[05:57] <carajean> can someone help me with rhythmbox
[05:58] <carajean> i tried apt get but got an error
[05:58] <carajean> apt-get install
[05:58] <balex> sorry I am a beginner in linux :S
[05:58] <SomeOtherNerd> carajean: what's the error?
[05:59] <ivan> Hola
[05:59] <carajean> srry to flood
[05:59] <carajean> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavail able)
[05:59] <carajean> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another proc ess using it?
[05:59] <drspin> Now that my mouse is fixed -- I need to install the drivers for my Nvidia card -- what is the page on the wiki?
[05:59] <bob2> carajean: use #flood
[05:59] <bob2> dude
[05:59] <bob2> that means you need to run apt as root
[06:00] <bob2> or it crashed at some point in the past
[06:00] <bob2> or that you have two copies running
[06:00] <carajean> i thught i was in root
[06:00] <pmfp> I'm a militantly libertian (with a sucking spelling), yet have a question for all cute communists in here (j/k): Is Hoary comparable to testing or unstable in Debian?
[06:00] <bob2> unstable.
[06:00] <carajean> i never used rhythmbox before
[06:00] <etorix> have u synaptic open?
[06:01] <pmfp> bob2: alright, thanks
[06:01] <SomeOtherNerd> carajean: you shouldn't use root shells, only use sudo
[06:01] <pmfp> SomeOtherNerd: why?
[06:01] <SomeOtherNerd> pmfp: too easy to screw up
[06:01] <carajean> sudo apt-get install rhythmbox
[06:02] <pmfp> SomeOtherNerd: right
[06:02] <carajean> thats what i typed
[06:02] <bob2> carajean: what about the other two possibilities?
[06:02] <gwildor> use beep
[06:02] <carajean> to hard couldnt get it
[06:02] <bob2> eh?
[06:02] <carajean> i need a little help gettin my xmas gift to work
[06:03] <adi_> hello 2 all and Craciu fericit
[06:03] <carajean> um i dont which itunes to use they said itunedb then get gt somethin
[06:04] <carajean> but i dont know the exact order to get those in
[06:04] <adi_> anyone has a leaktek tuner :P that doesn't seem to have signal???
[06:04] <bob2> carajean: this is on mac os X?
[06:04] <reallySeq> does anybody know how to configure wpa?
[06:04] <carajean> kinda miss the easyiness of windows
[06:04] <carajean> no linux
[06:05] <bob2> carajean: er, so what are you saying about itunes?
[06:05] <adi_> this is the "free linux support chanell" wright ??? :)
[06:05] <bob2> this is a Ubuntu user channel

[06:06] <adi_> k
[06:06] <adi_> BUT, anyone has a leaktek tuner :P that doesn't seem to have signal???
[06:06] <pmfp> SomeOtherNerd: not if you modprobe nvidia...
[06:06] <carajean> i dont know i went to a couple ipod to linux how to and they keep talkin about this itunedb and backing it up before i do soemthin else to get linux to work
[06:06] <bob2> I assume you mean 'leadtek'
[06:06] <Seq> adi_: if nobody answers, then nobody (who is at least here) does
[06:06] <BockBilbo> bob2
[06:06] <adi_> because I spent a hole night trying to solve it and I don't have any mnore ideeas
[06:06] <BockBilbo> i sorry for asking you in debian
[06:06] <BockBilbo> #debian
[06:06] <SomeOtherNerd> pmfp: that's sacrilege ;>
[06:07] <bob2> carajean: er, so your question is "How do I use my ipod with Ubuntu?|?
[06:07] <adi_> in slackware and knoppix is working fine just in ubuntu doesn't WORK!!!
[06:07] <pmfp> SomeOtherNerd: I am too.
[06:07] <carajean> right bob2
[06:07] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[06:07] <bob2> adi_: you need to give everyone a lot more information if you want help
[06:07] <adi_> like?
[06:07] <bob2> adi_: like, the chipset, what you've tried, in what sense it iisnt working, etc
[06:07] <carajean> a easy and painless way to get it to work
[06:08] <da_bon_bon> anyone here writes device drivers for linux ?
[06:08] <adi_> k
[06:08] <adi_> thx
[06:08] <adi_> so
[06:08] <bob2> da_bon_bon: this isn't really the channel for that sort of thing
[06:08] <bob2> adi_: please try to use complete sentences on single lines so everyone's irc clicent doesn't scroll so much ;)
[06:09] <da_bon_bon> bob2: no, i asked to know whether someone knows if it is easy or not...
[06:09] <SomeOtherNerd> bob2: I don't use scroll, I use CowBoyNealScroll
[06:09] <bob2> da_bon_bon: if you know C, it's not *that* hard
[06:09] <bob2> it's not trivial, tho
[06:10] <da_bon_bon> anyone here who has default browser as firefox, please gimme ur string in "computer -> desktop prefernces -> prefered apps" please...
[06:10] <da_bon_bon> bob2: i know c++ quite well.
[06:10] <SomeOtherNerd> bob2: it can also be done in C++, C#, perl, python, tcl, and many other languages
[06:10] <bob2> er, no, device drivers are in C and assembly
[06:11] <bob2> da_bon_bon: you'll need to learn C then ;)
[06:11] <pmfp> (+for Linux)
[06:11] <Seq> the c++ interfaces are new, and NOT in the mainline kernel, and very likely won't be
[06:11] <SomeOtherNerd> bob2: kernel modules are, but there are some modules that allow user land drivers
[06:11] <bob2> true, like libusb
[06:11] <da_bon_bon> bob2: i know c too :)
[06:11] <bob2> there are C++ interfaces? that's crack.
[06:11] <carajean> so anyone know a easy way to get ipod to work with linux
[06:11] <da_bon_bon> bob2: is ur default browser firefox?
[06:11] <bob2> da_bon_bon: guess so
[06:12] <Seq> bob2: yeah, i read about it on (i think) kernel traffic a while back
[06:12] <bob2> carajean: hae you tried gnupod-tools or gtkpod?
[06:12] <bob2> oh yeah, that guy was crazy
[06:12] <carajean> yeah
[06:12] <da_bon_bon> bob2: can u gimme ur string in "computer -> desktop prefernces -> prefered apps" ? my default now is lynx type of a thing..
[06:12] <carajean> but can t get it installed
[06:13] <Seq> da_bon_bon: just put `firefox %s`, it's not hard to figure out :)
[06:13] <pmfp> da_bon_bon: you can change prefered applications in your desktop settings, available from your menu
[06:13] <bob2> carajean: because of that same error?
[06:13] <bob2> carajean: didn't you read my answer before?
[06:13] <da_bon_bon> Seq: someone told me to set 'mozilla-firefox' ...
[06:13] <Seq> da_bon_bon: so use that then
[06:14] <da_bon_bon> that doesnt work.
[06:14] <Seq> so try firefox
[06:14] <bob2> mozilla-firefox %s
[06:14] <bob2> just like in most config dialogs...
[06:14] <adi_> I have a Leaktek TV2000XP Deluxe card with Philips tuner on it - in Dscaler it work with all Philips tuners - and in Slackware10 with DroplineGnome using tvtime and xawtv work fine; the same on knoppix live CD after using the auto configuring prog. The problem is that yesterday  I installed UBUNTU and I was happy to see my tuner modules listed with dmesg and lsmod. After that I installed tvtime and xawtv+stuff(qt plugins...) using synaptic manager - they installed
[06:14] <adi_>  with no errors. After that no signal in tvtime and in xawtv. Using scantv with PAL/EU estern I got the [no /dev/vbi]  so I made a symlink with that name pointing to /dev/vbi0 but the scantv doesen't seem to get any signal
[06:14] <da_bon_bon> bob2: if u click on a link in GAIM, does it open in firefox ?
[06:14] <bob2> I don't use gaim
[06:15] <da_bon_bon> bob2: ok, if u click open on a link in xchat, does it open in firefox ?
[06:15] <bob2> I don't use xchat either
[06:15] <adi_> I think the problem is that it doesen't use the corect card??/tuner?? but I don't know how to change that
[06:15] <bob2> why don't you just try that setting?
[06:15] <da_bon_bon> doesnt work...
[06:16] <bob2> the one I just pasted doesn't work?
[06:16] <da_bon_bon> yes
[06:16] <da_bon_bon> doesnt work
[06:16] <bob2> are you really rewally sure you copied it correctly?
[06:16] <da_bon_bon> sure
[06:17] <bob2> well, it works for me
[06:17] <da_bon_bon> bob2: i use firefox 1.0 does it change things ?
[06:18] <adi_> if anyone can HELP me it can contact me at adi2200bv on yahoo messenger, also......
[06:18] <da_bon_bon> bob2: its urgent coz i wanna use webhttrack, and by default it starts in lynx, which is not javascript enabled :(:(
[06:19] <da_bon_bon> bob2: u sue FF 1.0 ?
[06:20] <bob2> yes
[06:20] <bob2> no, it's not 'urgent'.
[06:20] <bob2> adi_: try asking on the mailing list
[06:20] <adi_> how?
[06:20] <bob2> you haven't used a mailing list before?
[06:21] <adi_> sorry, but I am a bigginer with linux and I usually don't use IRC :)
[06:21] <zenkov> java.net.NoRouteToHostException: No route to host... Azureus TERMINATED :-(
[06:21] <bob2> adi_: is that a 'yes'?
[06:21] <da_bon_bon> bob2: ok
[06:22] <SomeOtherNerd> adi_: subscibe on lists.ubuntu.com
[06:22] <bob2> da_bon_bon: try asking on the user list
[06:22] <gwildor> how to unmount my cd-rom from terminal....unmoiunt the disk
[06:22] <bob2> use 'mount' to find out where it' mounted
[06:23] <sid77> gwildor, umount /dev/cdromdevice
[06:23] <bob2> then 'umount /media/whatever' to unmount it
[06:23] <gwildor> /dev/hda on /media/cdrom0 type iso9660
[06:23] <drspin> LOL
[06:23] <sid77> gwildor, whatever :) if you want to umount a cdrom also try a plain "eject"
[06:23] <gwildor> k..i get i t....thnx
[06:23] <da_bon_bon> bob2: ok.
[06:23] <gwildor> sid77, really....thnx
[06:23] <drspin> first of all - I need to add MP3 and AAC support to this!!!!!!!!!!
[06:24] <adi_> ok thx
[06:24] <bob2> drspin: 'want'. wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:24] <gwildor> sid77, great, i wish i knew that before.......thank you ever so much....merry christmas (if applicable)
[06:24] <drspin> bob2: thanks!!! :)
[06:25] <sid77> gwildor, yeah it is applicable, read "man eject" for more wonderful stuff (like the -t option)
[06:25] <sid77> gwildor, and merry xmas to you too ;)
[06:26] <adi_> I will subscribe, but now I found some stuff that I saved last night I think I have a solve to the problem, but I was to sleppy :) I will try to make a file /etc/modprobe.d/bttv with the line "options bttv card=34 tuner=2" hope it will work
[06:26] <gwildor> sid77, and an easy way to mount a new cd?
[06:27] <sid77> gwildor, mount
[06:27] <sid77> gwildor, mount command read /etc/fstab
[06:28] <bob2> gnome will offer to mount stuff when you plug them in, tho
[06:28] <sid77> gwildor, so you can mounting a cd just pasing "mount /media/cdrom" or "mount /dev/cddevice"
[06:28] <gwildor> sid77, mount /cdrom worked
[06:28] <sid77> gwildor, bob2 is right. there is also the automounter enabled
[06:29] <sid77> gwildor, this is ok for every other line in /etc/fstab: just "mount dir" or "mount device" to have it mounted
[06:29] <gwildor> bob2, sid77, i use xfce normaly, but im getting used to flux atm, i will be using it on a lappy i am getting soon
[06:29] <xiximkopp> does anybody know the difference between linux-source-2.6.9 and kernel-source-2.6.9???
[06:30] <bob2> one is from debian, one is from ubuntu
[06:30] <bob2> ignore the kernel-source one
[06:31] <xiximkopp> bob2, but synaptic says they are both with debian patches
[06:31] <drspin> I can't find gstreamer-lame packages
[06:32] <etorix> heh .. listen to bob2
[06:32] <bob2> yes, ignore the kernel-source one
[06:32] <xiximkopp> bob2, ok
[06:33] <bob2> the ubuntu-source contains a bazillion patches and extra modules
[06:34] <xiximkopp> bob2, does it have vesafb-tng?
[06:34] <KobrAs_> merry christmas
[06:37] <drspin> OK - how can I allow me access to my NTFS partition - I've got it mounted and can access it with ROOT but no me...
[06:38] <sid77> mmmmh, is there a way to correct the rgb under xfreee.conf? my monitor is pretty old and too dark 8|
[06:39] <da_bon_bon> bob2: the mailing list is the one on ubuntuforums.org ?
[06:40] <bob2> da_bon_bon: lord no, lists.ubuntu.com
[06:40] <bob2> sid77: you mean the gamma?
[06:40] <bob2> drspin: mount it with the option umask=002
[06:40] <drspin> bob2 - thanks!! it works -- why?
[06:42] <sid77> bob2, yes
[06:43] <sid77> bob2, I've notice that some windows program run also better modifying rgb value (I do XFree conf but I'm a complete newbie in this kind of stuff)
[06:44] <da_bon_bon> anyone know of good offline browsers, except httrack ?
[06:45] <bob2> sid77: you can use 'xgamma', but there's also a confi option, man XF86Config-4
[06:46] <sid77> bob2, ok I'll read it
[06:48] <sid77> ouch!
[06:48] <da_bon_bon> bob2: dpkg -l firefox doesnt show any packeages matching firefox...
[06:48] <sid77> sid77@scatolotto:~ $ xgamma -rgamma 10.0 -ggamma 10.0 -bgamma 10.0 <-- kids! do not try this at home!
[06:49] <bob2> da_bon_bon: yes, it's called mozilla-firefox
[06:49] <da_bon_bon> sid77: can u help me? i cant get my default browser to be firefox...
[06:49] <bob2> what was the subject of your email to the list?
[06:49] <drspin> heh - Importing 6000 songs takes a while :/
[06:50] <da_bon_bon> bob2: can u please see the output on #flood? looks strange...
[06:50] <da_bon_bon> bob2: please see #flood
[06:50] <bob2> ?
[06:51] <bob2> oh, wait
[06:51] <bob2> let me guess
[06:51] <bob2> you installed firefox fro ma tarball
[06:51] <bob2> to somewhere in your home dir
[06:51] <sid77> da_bon_bon, I can't. I can just say that looks something about your website copier configuration. read the manual carefully
[06:51] <bob2> and then removed the package
[06:51] <bob2> right?
[06:52] <da_bon_bon> bob2: no i removed package first, and then installed from tarball according instruction on wiki
[06:52] <da_bon_bon> no i installed to /usr/local/firefox
[06:52] <bob2> well, that would explain it
[06:52] <bob2> it would be good in future if you mentioned things like this
[06:53] <da_bon_bon> ok. whats the problem ?
[06:53] <bob2> er, that you don't have firefox avaiable?
[06:53] <da_bon_bon> bob2: then how am i surfing the web through it ?
[06:53] <bob2> change the setting in the prefered application thing to /usr/local/firefox/whatever %s
[06:54] <da_bon_bon> bob2: tried that also....
[06:54] <bob2> because you're running it with the correct path
[06:54] <bob2> no you didn't
[06:54] <bob2> because that would have worked
[06:54] <bob2> try again
[06:54] <bob2> if it doesn't, find the correct section of ~/.xsession-errors that showes the problem
[06:55] <da_bon_bon> bob2: do i need to restart gnome after making the change ?
[06:55] <bob2> no
[06:55] <da_bon_bon> how do i view the file ~/.xsession-errors ?
[06:55] <da_bon_bon> cat ?
[06:55] <bob2> but make really really really sure you set the path correctly
[06:56] <bob2> whatever you normally use to view text files (cat is ok)
[06:57] <da_bon_bon> its set to : "/usr/local/firefox/firefox %s" and this is a straight drag and drop
[06:57] <jazzka> hi!
[06:58] <bob2> and when you run '/usr/local/firefox/firefox' fro ma shelll, it pops up a nrowser window?
[06:58] <jazzka> do you any web/guide to burn a mpg file into a cd in svcd format?
[06:58] <phraze> Hey,i have a little problem installing some webcam software
[06:59] <phraze> ive configured it whit ./configure but when i try 'make install' it just says:
[06:59] <phraze> Nothing to do with install
[06:59] <phraze> ive read the readme n some websites
[06:59] <KobrAs_> yo
[07:00] <thoreauputic> does the Ubuntu ppc installer have a utility that lets you resize a MacOSX partition to make room for Linux?
[07:00] <phraze> they all says the same
[07:00] <KobrAs_> need a little help with fonts on warty
[07:00] <sid77> phraze, maybe you should do "make" before "make install"
[07:00] <KobrAs_> my X fonts seem very strange, dunno exactly how to describe them
[07:00] <phraze> i did
[07:00] <phraze> sid77
[07:00] <sid77> thoreauputic, no
[07:01] <da_bon_bon> yes
[07:01] <da_bon_bon> bob2: please see #flood
[07:01] <thoreauputic> sid77: so does MAc have such a utility? (I'm considering an Ibook purchase)
[07:01] <etorix> i dont think HFS+ it ..
[07:01] <da_bon_bon> bob2: got disconencted. did u get my output ?
[07:02] <sid77> thoreauputic, no. I only know of iPartion which is able to do such a thing. but it is commercial software and I do not have it
[07:02] <etorix> make a two partitions before either install
[07:02] <sid77> thoreauputic, if you are going to buy an ibook simply resize and reinstall it at first boot
[07:02] <sid77> thoreauputic, it is a really trivial operation
[07:03] <da_bon_bon> bob2: are you here ?
[07:03] <thoreauputic> sid77: right, I see.  Off topic, but does a preinstalled Ibook come with the X11 for MAc on CD?
[07:04] <etorix> not afaik
[07:04] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: why are you using a moz-firefox installation in /usr/local?
[07:04] <sid77> thoreauputic, yes (but let's keep this kind of stuff off topic ;)
[07:04] <etorix> use fink
[07:04] <thoreauputic> hmm - OK thanks - just exploring options (Fink etc)
[07:05] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: i followed the guidtoupgradingtofirefox1.0
[07:05] <thoreauputic> sid77: yes, I know it's OT - sorry :)
[07:06] <sid77> thoreauputic, etorix, join #fink for fink stuff (it's cool! ;)
[07:06] <etorix> sorry .. no osx me
[07:06] <da_bon_bon> whats fink ?
[07:06] <TTilus> sawfish start takes about 2 minutes, any suggestions?
[07:06] <etorix> join #fink
[07:06] <etorix> its not-ubuntu
[07:07] <labas> qq
[07:07] <labas> enyubody?
[07:07] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UpgradingToFirefox10/view?searchterm=firefox
[07:07] <labas> hi
[07:07] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: I know
[07:07] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: did you follow the instructions precisely?
[07:07] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: it doesn't seem you did.
[07:07] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: yes. to the dot.
[07:07] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: where did i bungle ?
[07:08] <labas> I have problem
[07:08] <vegai> TTilus: is localhost resolvable?
[07:08] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: delete /usr/local/firefox and reinstall
[07:08] <labas> yes
[07:08] <labas> aa..
[07:09] <labas> I got error on gnome startup
[07:09] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: i delete it? i dont uninstall or apt-get remove it ?
[07:09] <labas> Counld not look up internet address for debian (hosname'as). This......,,,...... the problem by adding debian to the file /etc/hosts.
[07:09] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: you can't uninstall/remove it because you bypassed dpkg's packaging tools
[07:10] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: you must `sudo rm -rf /usr/local/firefox'
[07:10] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: additionally, you must `rm -rf ~/.firefox'
[07:10] <drspin> is there a way to add AAC files to RhythmBox???
[07:10] <bob2> da_bon_bon: er, I thought you said firefox was working?
[07:10] <da_bon_bon> bob2: it is.
[07:11] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: any special instructions to follow during install ?
[07:11] <crimsun> ...if it's working, then what's wrong precisely?
[07:11] <bob2> 04:01:11     da_bon_bon |  /usr/local/firefox/firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libmozjs.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:11] <labas> Counld not look up internet address for debian (hosname'as). This......,,,...... the problem by adding debian to the file /etc/hosts.
[07:11] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: and i cant set it to be the default browser too...
[07:12] <crimsun> shouldn't da_bon_bon be running ./firefox instead?
[07:12] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: i am using ./firefox but i cant set it to be the defualt browser, how much ever i try..
[07:12] <TTilus> vegai: the first thing i thought, and, yes, it is
[07:13] <labas> on gnome startup Counld not look up internet address for debian (hosname'as). This......,,,...... the problem by adding debian to the file /etc/hosts.
[07:13] <drspin> AAC on ubutnu???
[07:13] <drspin> Ubuntu*
[07:13] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: I'm sorry, but I only see (in #flood) your executing ./firefox-bin
[07:13] <bob2> da_bon_bon: what was the last bit you pasted then?
[07:13] <bob2> drspin: did you read that page?
[07:14] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: i paste again ?
[07:14] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: no need to paste again if it's similar enough
[07:14] <shianux> hi, I'd like to ask a question, is anyone available?
[07:15] <bob2> shianux: just ask...
[07:15] <shianux> I installed warty off the i386 CD
[07:15] <bob2> da_bon_bon: come on dude
[07:15] <shianux> and then update upgraded to hoary
[07:16] <shianux> during which I installed the nvidia drivers (dell inspiron 8000)
[07:16] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: not similar. see #flood
[07:16] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: you're just repasting what you already pasted.
[07:16] <shianux> what happened was I started off with 1400x1050 with a clean warty install
[07:16] <da_bon_bon> i thot u hadnt seen it...
[07:17] <bob2> da_bon_bon: according to that log, firefox isn't running at all
[07:17] <drspin> bob2: yes but I didn't see anything about AAC...
[07:17] <da_bon_bon> this is .xsession error.
[07:17] <shianux> and now with hoary + nvidia drivers I'm limited only to 640x480
[07:17] <da_bon_bon> bob2: its giving a error message in startup itself...
[07:17] <shianux> so does anyone have any idea how to restore 1400x1050 in my hoary+nvidia setup?
[07:17] <ogra> shianux: thats hoary
[07:18] <labas> on gnome startup:: Counld not look up internet address for debian (hosname'as). This......,,,...... the problem by adding debian to the file /etc/hosts.
[07:18] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: if you're not familiar with how moz-firefox is packaged, it's highly recommended you stick with the default package
[07:18] <bob2> shianux: it's a known bug
[07:18] <bob2> da_bon_bon: yes, I know
[07:18] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: there are steps that you probably need to run after the installer finishes
[07:18] <bob2> da_bon_bon: I'd really recommend sticking with the package
[07:18] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: i followed the guide and isntalled .tar.gz ....
[07:19] <ogra> da_bon_bon: which guide ? could you show the url ?
[07:19] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: please, both bob2 and I are suggesting you stick w/ the Warty package
[07:19] <crimsun> ogra: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UpgradingToFirefox10
[07:19] <shianux> bob2, so that means there's no way for me to get back to 1400x1050?
[07:19] <da_bon_bon> ogra: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UpgradingToFirefox10/view?searchterm=firefox
[07:19] <shianux> or will uninstalling the nvidia drivers help?
[07:19] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: oh ok. how do i revert back, now ?
[07:19] <bob2> shianux: there is, but I don't know the fix
[07:20] <bob2> shianux: it's in the BTS
[07:20] <bob2> da_bon_bon: just install the mozilla-firefox package
[07:20] <shianux> bob2 sorry, I don't know what BTS means
[07:20] <da_bon_bon> bob2: will it install properly from cd?
[07:20] <da_bon_bon> bob2: is there no way to remedy it, since i want certain features not present in 0.9
[07:21] <bob2> da_bon_bon: for example?
[07:21] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: first completely remove /usr/local/firefox, then install Warty's 'mozilla-firefox' package
[07:21] <bob2> da_bon_bon: yes, it will install fine
[07:21] <bob2> shianux: bugzilla.ubuntu.com, it's probably been discussed on the list, too
[07:21] <da_bon_bon> no way to remedy it :( :( ?
[07:21] <bob2> da_bon_bon: what feature is so important to you?
[07:22] <da_bon_bon> bob2: find as u type.
[07:22] <da_bon_bon> bob2: its only for links in 0.9
[07:22] <bob2> da_bon_bon: firefox 0.9.3 has that, too
[07:22] <bob2> no it's not
[07:23] <bob2> hit / in the body of a document
[07:23] <ogra> da_bon_bon: thats a setting
[07:23] <da_bon_bon> bob2: and i dont want my 8mb download to go waste ...
[07:23] <shianux> bob2 thanks!
[07:25] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: 'mozilla-firefox' should be on the CD
[07:25] <da_bon_bon> ok. so i take it that theres no way out ?
[07:25] <bob2> there is
[07:25] <bob2> but I'm not sure what you've done, and using 0.9.3 is tons easier for everyone
[07:25] <etorix> shianuz .. it worked?
[07:26] <da_bon_bon> bob2: can u tell me the way out? reinstalling? changing some settings?
[07:27] <carajean> how to add a line to /etc/fstab file
[07:27] <carajean> ???
[07:27] <xiximkopp> shianux, try to add your mode to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:27] <shianux> no, I've not done it yet
[07:27] <shianux> I'm looking thru the bugzilla pages for clues
[07:27] <bob2> carajean: no need to use more than one question mark
[07:27] <drspin> carajean: "sudo nano -w /etc/fstab"
[07:28] <shianux> xixmkopp>> my mode is already in the xorg.conf
[07:28] <etorix> its a symlink issue
[07:28] <carajean> thanks its a habit i been doin it for years
[07:28] <bob2> yeah, it's one worth breaking, tho
[07:28] <bob2> da_bon_bon: ? the instructions have worked for me in the past.
[07:28] <carajean> ha yeah i will try
[07:28] <xiximkopp> shianux, ah ok... do you use the then try to use the nv driver instead of nvidia...
[07:29] <da_bon_bon> bob2: u installed in /usr/local ? or ! ?
[07:29] <da_bon_bon> bob2: u installed in /usr/local ? or ~ ?
[07:29] <bob2> it doesn't matter
[07:30] <da_bon_bon> bob2: i even reinstalled it...
[07:30] <bob2> how would that help?
[07:31] <da_bon_bon> bob2: then what will help!? please tell me...
[07:31] <bob2> remember what I said about begging?
[07:31] <bob2> if I knew the answer, I'd have told you an hour ago
[07:31] <da_bon_bon> bob2: ok.
[07:32] <bob2> it seems very much like you skipped a step in the instructions, tho
[07:32] <bob2> perhaps forgetting to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH or MOZILLA_STAR_HOME (or whatever it's called nowadays)
[07:32] <da_bon_bon> bob2: well, i think i havent, but if u and crimsun think so, ok.
[07:32] <da_bon_bon> bob2: hey, i havent set thos paths...
[07:32] <da_bon_bon> bob2: how do i set them ?
[07:33] <bob2> I don't know if you have to or not
[07:33] <da_bon_bon> ok
[07:33] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: to install firefox from the mozilla.org installer, none of that is necessary
[07:34] <bob2> thoreauputic: do you need to set any environment variables?
[07:34] <zenrox> thoreauputic,  yep just use the installer
[07:34] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: not using the .tar.gz ?
[07:34] <zenrox> bob2,  no
[07:34] <bob2> thoreauputic: his errors looked very much like it couldn't find libraries
[07:35] <thoreauputic> bob2: hmm - mine just installed, no fuss except I made a symlink to the executable in my PATH
[07:35] <thoreauputic> but even that isn't really required
[07:35] <zenrox> da_bon_bon,  if you use the installer install it on top of mozilla firefox thats allready installed
[07:35] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: u mean using the "sudo sh firefox-installer" i have used that...
[07:35] <zenrox> it will ask to del the dir
[07:35] <zenrox> and do so
[07:35] <crimsun> I think the problem is that he attempts to use ./firefox-bin directly
[07:36] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: no. i use ./firefox, but that was jsut i was trying out .firefox-bin
[07:36] <da_bon_bon> zenrox: so, i will delete /usr/local/firefox and install firfox from cd, and again use inmstaller, right ?
[07:37] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: absolutely not
[07:37] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: then ?
[07:37] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: either install mozilla-firefox from CD and stick with it, or use the mozilla.org installer and stick with it. In either case, you need to remove /usr/local/firefox first
[07:37] <zenrox> da_bon_bon,  yes
[07:38] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: do _not_ mix and match Ubuntu's mozilla-firefox with mozilla.org's mozilla-firefox
[07:38] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: i already tried removing the dir and installing again...
[07:38] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: ok.
[07:38] <zenrox> and you dont have to great any now links and you can use the curent firefox icon on your menu bar
[07:38] <lavache> slt
[07:39] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: do you realize you're taking the (pardon me) ass way around?
[07:39] <ogra> da_bon_bon: dont mix
[07:39] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: ass way ?
[07:39] <lavache> slt
[07:39] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: follow the directions here: http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/
[07:39] <da_bon_bon> ogra: ok.
[07:39] <Cloudchaser> well darn...i can't seem to get files installed on palm with jpilot...i got it to sync once but when i try to install files it just keeps taking me to the window where you add the files you want to install
[07:39] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: what are backports ?
[07:40] <stuNNed> ssh seems the fuxored in unstable
[07:40] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: keep in mind that Canonical neither endorses nor supports said backports.
[07:40] <zenrox> da_bon_bon,  i agree with crimsun  dont install on top but it has worked for me win i was usingwerty
[07:40] <da_bon_bon> ok. but what are backports??
[07:40] <crimsun> stuNNed: it's fine.
[07:40] <Cloudchaser> this is just annoying now ;(
[07:40] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: are you from canonical ?
[07:40] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: no.
[07:41] <carajean> hey im havin trouble setting up gtkipod anybody care ti help
[07:41] <Cloudchaser> its stuff like this that makes me hate linux :(
[07:41] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: a "backport" is a newer version of a package compiled for an older flavour of a distribution.
[07:41] <carajean> its installed but it cant see the the ipod
[07:41] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: ok. so i install the version on cd, and then use bp to update ?
[07:42] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: if you use ubuntu-bp, installing from CD is not necessary
[07:42] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: ok.
[07:42] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: but keep in mind people in here will be less likely/able to help you with problems from ubuntu-bp
[07:42] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: why are you obsessed with having the latest? Even firefox ).8 had the functionality you want..
[07:43] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: umm.... say i have a version-mania ?? ;)
[07:43] <da_bon_bon> i'd rather install from cd and stick to it...
[07:43] <da_bon_bon> how do i install form cd ?
[07:44] <occy> what do I need to apt-get install to get a fairly half-way decent dev setup going?
[07:44] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: well, that's fine, but you need to know what you are doing to indulge in non-standard practices :)
[07:44] <crimsun> then install from the CD and stick with it, and please don't complain about not having the latest & greatest features from mozilla-firefox, ok?
[07:44] <da_bon_bon> ok
[07:44] <da_bon_bon> how do i install form cd ?
[07:44] <ogra> da_bon_bon: if you got net access on this box sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox is enough
[07:44] <crimsun> occy: depends on what you need to develop
[07:44] <occy> crimsun: need to compile latest qemu :)
[07:45] <crimsun> occy: I presume you have the 'universe' repo enabled?
[07:45] <occy> I apt-get installed gcc   but I feel I'll need a wee bit more than that.
[07:45] <bob2> occy: install build-essential
[07:45] <occy> crimsun: yessir, universe and multiverse
[07:45] <crimsun> occy: `sudo apt-get build-dep qemu'
[07:46] <da_bon_bon> ogra: i have limited download plan. and i am exceeding limit. how do i install from cd ?
[07:46] <occy> crimsun: that'll build from cvs?
[07:46] <crimsun> occy: no, that installs all the necessary packages for you to compile 'qemu'
[07:46] <occy> ahhh
[07:46] <da_bon_bon> also, whenever i clik on a .deb in nautilus, it shows unable to luanch. why ?
[07:46] <crimsun> occy: it's up to you to retrieve qemu's source
[07:46] <occy> crimsun: sweet
[07:47] <occy> crimsun: that is very nice
[07:47] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: sounds like you need to do some reading on the ubuntu site, my friend
[07:47] <occy> man, Debi^WUbuntu rox
[07:48] <ubuntu_user> hello
[07:48] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon:  also the guide in the /topic for this channel is excellent: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[07:48] <ubuntu_user> why i can't enable DMA on my CD-RW drive???
[07:48] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: about? installing from cd, or about the deb packages ?
[07:48] <ogra> thoreauputic: not really
[07:49] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: well, just go to the link I gave you and *read*
[07:49] <crimsun> ubuntu_user: have you tried with the hdparm utility?
[07:49] <thoreauputic> ogra: why, what criticism do you have of it?
[07:49] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: well, iu just removed firefox, so i cant read. mind telling me directly ?
[07:49] <ogra> thoreauputic: its not very newbie friendly....
[07:50] <ogra> thoreauputic: too much editing of critical system files.....
[07:50] <ubuntu_user> crimsun,  sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[07:50] <ubuntu_user> Password:
[07:50] <ubuntu_user> /dev/hdc:
[07:50] <ubuntu_user>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[07:50] <ubuntu_user>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[07:50] <ubuntu_user>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[07:50] <thoreauputic> ogra: hmm.. OK... but it covers alot of useful stuff
[07:50] <bob2> ubuntu_user: please don't paste stuff in here
[07:50] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: well, i just removed firefox, so i cant read. mind telling me directly ?
[07:51] <bob2> occy: build-dep gets things that packages need, on top of build-essential
[07:51] <Cloudchaser> some days i just hate linux with a passion
[07:51] <crimsun> ubuntu_user: the kernel is saying that your hardware refuses to set it
[07:51] <Lathiat> da_bon_bon: that was silly :)
[07:51] <bob2> ubuntu_user: your ide driver doesn't support dma
[07:51] <Lathiat> da_bon_bon: are you the one with 11Mb free space?
[07:51] <ubuntu_user> bob2, ok sorry
[07:51] <da_bon_bon> Lathiat: no. iam the one with firefox problems :D
[07:51] <occy> bob2: ahh, that is quite cool
[07:52] <ubuntu_user> bob2, yes it suports, only on ubuntu i have this problem
[07:52] <ubuntu_user> crimsun, but why the kernel reject dma?
[07:52] <bob2> ubuntu_user: er, so you know the kernel is using the ide driver that supports it?
[07:52] <ogra> thoreauputic: mybe, but people that never edited a system file should not be the audience for it.... yesterday i had a 4hr support to get the f*cked xsever up again after the guy tried a nvidia install....which can be done with 2 commands from the wiki
[07:52] <Lathiat> da_bon_bon: open 'Synaptic Package Manager' (its under system settings in the menus up top)
[07:53] <crimsun> ubuntu_user: depends on your hardware and the kernel
[07:53] <Lathiat> da_bon_bon: then search for firefox, then click its little icon, hit mark for installation, then press apply
[07:53] <da_bon_bon> Lathiat: i got it from cd using apt-get ...
[07:53] <Lathiat> da_bon_bon: just do it :)
[07:53] <thoreauputic> ogra: yes , I see your point
[07:54] <Lathiat> da_bon_bon: then you can read the SynapticHowto on the website, to get a better idea of hwo to use it to install software
[07:54] <Cloudchaser> does anyone here use jpilot?
[07:54] <ogra> thoreauputic: and the (official and reviewed) wiki isnt even mentioned...
[07:55] <crimsun> that should be remedied
[07:55] <occy> ubuntu_user:  #flood please.
[07:55] <occy> oops
[07:55] <occy> Sorry, I was scrolled up :)
[07:56] <zenwhen> ogra, I have found the ubuntuguide to be more instantly usable than the wiki.
[07:56] <ogra> zenwhen: you are experienced.....
[07:56] <ubuntu_user> crimsun, root=/dev/sda1 hdc=ide-scsi ro quiet splash
[07:56] <zenwhen> Most of anything ubuntu spcific that I wanted to know I found there.
[07:56] <Cloudchaser> well ogra i won't be adding to the wiki after all ;( i've hit another wall
[07:56] <ogra> zenwhen: give it to your mom
[07:56] <zenwhen> Thats incest
[07:57] <zenwhen> You mean the guide
[07:57] <ogra> Cloudchaser: saw it :(
[07:57] <zenwhen> oops
[07:57] <da_bon_bon> ok got it installed the earlier version.
[07:58] <ogra> zenwhen: could your mom cope with it (ubuntuguide) ?
[07:58] <crimsun> ubuntu_user: why is it using hdc=ide-scsi?
[07:58] <zenwhen> ogra, My mom couldnt cope with the wiki either.
[07:58] <crimsun> ubuntu_user: what sort of cd-rom/cd-r/cd-rw is it?
[07:58] <Friczy> hi
[07:58] <zenwhen> Wikis are much harder to navigate than a list of things to do.
[07:58] <zenwhen> In fact I absolutely HATE wikis.
[07:58] <Friczy> is there a description about installing to RAID1?
[07:59] <zenwhen> They split up information too much.
[07:59] <crimsun> wikis are very nice if there is a strictly adhered-to structure
[07:59] <zenwhen> Give me a list of things that are on the site and I will search myself.
[07:59] <ogra> zenwhen: see the 4 points regarding nvidia in the guide (edit config files for optimization etc) , then compare it to the binary driver howto (2 apt commands....)
[07:59] <crimsun> these are points that should be addressed to the doc team
[08:00] <ubuntu_user> crimsun, i add this line because a problem with cdrecord, i delete it, but not restart the pc even
[08:00] <zenwhen> ogra, why not give people all of the RIGHT info? I dont see why things should be dumbed down and good things left out just to make new people happier.
[08:00] <ogra> zenwhen: there is too much extra stuff in that isnt needed and could be on a advanced users guide
[08:01] <zenwhen> Well then consider ubuntuguide a more advanced guide I guess. i really don;t want to see it dumbed down. I hate seeing good resources wasted.
[08:01] <crimsun> ubuntu_user: what problem w/ cdrecord?
[08:01] <zenwhen>  dont think every damn page needs to cater to newbs.
[08:01] <ogra> zenwhen: i dont say dumb it down, i say leave the easy to use stuff where ppl get easy to use tools for newbs and the rest for advanced ppl
[08:02] <zenwhen> I found it useful when switching from Slackware.
[08:02] <ogra> zenwhen: so then it shouldnt be called a "starte guide"
[08:02] <ogra> +r
[08:02] <zenwhen> If it was newbed down it wouldnt have been worth anything to me.
[08:02] <crimsun> well-structured and informative != "dumbed down", zenwhen
[08:02] <zenwhen> Starting doenst mean swithcing from windows necesarily.
[08:03] <zenwhen> It said ubuntu started guide not LINUX started guide.
[08:03] <crimsun> starting implies elementary.
[08:03] <zenwhen> starter*
[08:03] <crimsun> be careful with connotations.
[08:03] <ubuntu_user> crimsun, the cdrecord not recognize the cdrw drive, because it only autodetect scsi drives, i only resolve the problem making a simboling link ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/sga
[08:03] <crimsun> ubuntu_user: incorrect procedure
[08:03] <crimsun> ubuntu_user: all you had to do was: sudo cdrecord -dev=/dev/hdc foo
[08:03] <ogra> zenwhen: it has all info....but causes lots of extra support the way it is now......
[08:04] <zenwhen> Im not playing the dictionary game. I'm just saying that ubuntuguide.org is a really good place for the intermediate linux user or smart beginner to get info.
[08:04] <ubuntu_user> crimsun, yes, but cdrecord save this paramter, for use with nautilus-cdburner for example??
[08:04] <bob2> cdrecord doesn't save any state
[08:04] <crimsun> zenwhen: and I'm not contesting that at all. I'm saying you should work to combine those resources with the official wiki's
[08:05] <ogra> zenwhen: and as i support here, it steals my time away from other users that need help
[08:05] <ogra> thats sad
[08:05] <zenwhen> I just dont see what the issue with the guy providing a resource is.
[08:05] <crimsun> zenwhen: the lack of integration is a stickler.
[08:05] <zenwhen> Maybe he doesnt wat to do it the official way.
[08:06] <zenwhen> I mean theres no law against helping people the way you want.
[08:06] <crimsun> it's in our channel's topic
[08:06] <zenwhen> I find his guide to be more useful than the wiki. I'm pretty much done with the topic.
[08:06] <Cloudchaser> what do you folks do when you're stuck on an issue?
[08:06] <Friczy> ubuntu_user: sudo cdrecord -dev=ATAPI: -scanbus tells the correct device name for your writer
[08:07] <bob2> Cloudchaser: ask on the mailing list
[08:07] <crimsun> ubuntu_user: all you need is the command I gave
[08:07] <bob2> no, don't do scanbus at all
[08:07] <bob2> you *know* what device you want to use
[08:07] <Friczy> ubuntu_user: then you can edit your /etc/default/cdrecord file properly
[08:07] <bob2> just use it
[08:07] <ogra> yep
[08:08] <crimsun> ubuntu_user: reboot with that kernel parameter removed
[08:08] <ubuntu_user> Friczy, yes and what i add to this file?
[08:08] <crimsun> ubuntu_user: then set dma active using hdparm
[08:09] <Friczy> ubuntu_user: for example in my file is: ide=    ATAPI:0,1,0     -1      -1      burnfree
[08:09] <Friczy> and CDR_DEVICE=ide
[08:09] <drspin> What CD burning program should I use?
[08:09] <Friczy> in this case the default drive is my IDE writer
[08:10] <zenwhen> did anyone ever get xsnow to compile on ubuntu?
[08:10] <ogra> zenwhen: apt-get source -b xsnow ?
[08:10] <zenwhen> I had to alien a redhat rpm
[08:10] <da_bon_bon> can i install mozilla itself, instead of / in addition to firefox ?
[08:10] <zenwhen> ogra,
[08:10] <zenwhen> its an old worthless version
[08:10] <ubuntu_user> drspin, nautilus-cd-burner, gnomebaker...
[08:10] <zenwhen> doesnt work with gnome
[08:11] <maximaus> da_bon_bon,  I've got both installed--no problem.
[08:11] <da_bon_bon> zenwhen: "its an old worthless version" ; "doesnt work with gnome" me ??
[08:11] <zenwhen> Gnomebaker is one app I would like to try
[08:11] <da_bon_bon> maximaus: how? u select "mozilla" in synaptic? is it on the CDROM?
[08:11] <zenwhen> da_bon_bon, I was speaking of the xsnow deb
[08:11] <ogra> zenwhen: there was a thread on the ML last week of a daddy who wanted a newer vers. for his daughter for christmas...i think there was mentioned a pkg
[08:12] <crimsun> zenwhen: 1.41 is worthless?
[08:12] <ubuntu_user> zenwhen, aparently is cool, but i can't use because cdrecord problem
[08:12] <zenwhen> yeah
[08:12] <ubuntu_user> crimsun, i reboot may pc now, to test it
[08:12] <zenwhen> 1.42 was needed to display over the gnome background
[08:12] <ubuntu_user> crimsun, i will be back
[08:12] <zenwhen> At least in my case
[08:13] <iceman> is ubuntu stable, unstable or testing?
[08:13] <cenerentola> is there any way for me to force the installer to swap on disk?
[08:13] <Friczy> is there a description about installing to RAID1?
[08:13] <zenwhen> its not deian
[08:13] <ogra> iceman: ubuntu is stabe
[08:13] <zenwhen> debian*
[08:13] <Agrajag> warty is stable
[08:13] <Friczy> iceman: warty is stable
[08:13] <zenwhen> Its debian based.
[08:13] <zenwhen> hi harry
[08:13] <zenwhen> :)
[08:13] <Agrajag> stfu
[08:14] <iceman> werid that it has 'deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main' in sources.list
[08:14] <iceman> if it's stable
[08:14] <Agrajag> iceman: it doesn't.
[08:14] <Agrajag> You added that.
[08:14] <zenwhen> weird that you put it there
[08:14] <ogra> iceman: marillat doesnt work anymore
[08:14] <crimsun> zenwhen: then apt-build build-dep xsnow && apt-get source xsnow && cd xsnow-1.41 && uupdate /path/to/xsnow-1.42.tar.gz && cd ../xsnow-1.42 && debuild binary
[08:14] <iceman> ok :)
[08:14] <zenwhen> beaten
[08:14] <zenwhen> crimsun, It woudlnt build period
[08:14] <zenwhen> 1.42
[08:15] <zenwhen> Which is why I said I had to go get an RPM
[08:15] <zenwhen> Because I didnt switch to a deb based distro to compile from source all day
[08:16] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: using 0.9.3 now :D
[08:16] <crimsun> zenwhen: did you bother to read the changelog?
[08:17] <crimsun> xsnow (1:1.41-2) unstable; urgency=high * Re-upload of 1.41 due to GPL violation in 1.42. The code to find the correct root window in 1.42 is taken from xpenguin and licenced under the GPL. Sorry KDE and GNOME users. Hopefully this is temporary. (closes: #250689)
[08:17] <ubuntu_user> crimsun, i desactivate ide-scsi, but i can't change dma... the same problem..
[08:17] <zenwhen> crimsun, thats all well and good, but I wanted snow on my background
[08:17] <zenwhen> I dont whine to devs for packages
[08:18] <zenwhen> :)
[08:18] <crimsun> zenwhen: there is no way that's going into main
[08:18] <zenwhen> or support since I am running so many unsupported packages
[08:18] <zenwhen> Im not asking for it
[08:18] <zenwhen> as I said
[08:18] <crimsun> you're stuck on your own for that package.
[08:18] <zenwhen> wth
[08:18] <crimsun> I can attempt to build a deb, but I cannot distribute it
[08:18] <zenwhen> I just told you I dont want it
[08:19] <zenwhen> I was merely commenting
[08:19] <crimsun> If I successfully build it, I can send you a diff.gz
[08:19] <crimsun> the licensing issue is extremely important, zenwhen, which is why 1.42 was reverted.
[08:20] <da_bon_bon> mozilla 0.9.3 does not have auto plugin finder...
[08:20] <crimsun> at least your 1.42 package works
[08:20] <ubuntu_user> crimsun, it is any problem ? .. VP_IDE: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
[08:20] <crimsun> ubuntu_user: that's not a problem
[08:20] <Cloudchaser> i guess i have to go to windows to do this ;(
[08:20] <Cloudchaser> i'll work on it again some other time
[08:21] <zenwhen> to do what
[08:21] <Cloudchaser> sync my palm
[08:21] <zenwhen> oh
[08:21] <Cloudchaser> reinstall software to it
[08:21] <ogra> Cloudchaser: did you send a mail to the list... ?
[08:21] <ubuntu_user> crimsun, /dev/hdc:
[08:21] <ubuntu_user>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[08:21] <ubuntu_user>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[08:21] <ubuntu_user>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[08:21] <Cloudchaser> not yet ogra...i'm not sure quite what to ask
[08:22] <ogra> ubuntu_user: there was a bug about this in bugzilla a while ago i think
[08:22] <Cloudchaser> i read jpilots documentation on how to install files
[08:22] <ogra> Cloudchaser: just describe your prob
[08:22] <Cloudchaser> and i got it to sync once but it won't again
[08:22] <crimsun> ubuntu_user: in #flood, paste `lspci -v -s 07.1'
[08:23] <ubuntu_user> join #flood
[08:24] <da_bon_bon> in firefox 0.9.3 how do i go to "next" in find as u type?
[08:24] <ubuntu_user> join #flood
[08:24] <ogra> ubuntu_user: with  slash
[08:24] <ubuntu_user> crimsun, but command not return anything
[08:25] <ubuntu_user> ogra, slash?
[08:25] <crimsun> ubuntu_user: then paste the IDE interface info
[08:25] <crimsun> ubuntu_user: (from lspci)
[08:26] <ubuntu_user> crimsun, its this?
[08:27] <crimsun> ubuntu_user: yes
[08:27] <crimsun> ubuntu_user: like ogra suggested, check bugzilla
[08:29] <ogra> ubuntu_user: it has something to do with the module load order.....the fix is also described in bugzilla iirc
[08:29] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: in firefox 0.9.3, how do i open external links in new browser tabs ?
[08:30] <ogra> da_bon_bon: look at the options
[08:30] <ogra> da_bon_bon: if its not enough you find there use the about:config url
[08:30] <tavon> can someone tell me how to attache/embed images in the ubuntu wiki?
[08:30] <ubuntu_user> crimsun, you want to activate this on advanced preferences
[08:30] <tavon> I used the add image button but it just created a new page
[08:31] <crimsun> ubuntu_user: ?
[08:31] <da_bon_bon> ogra: options doesnt have. about:config has, but cant open in same windows new tabs...
[08:31] <ubuntu_user> crimsun, firefox
[08:31] <tavon> Is there a way to display the uploaded image in a wiki page/content?
[08:31] <crimsun> ubuntu_user: why are you addressing me RE: moz-firefox?
[08:32] <ubuntu_user> crimsun, ok sorry
[08:32] <da_bon_bon> anyone know of a nice, capable offline browser, aka site grabber ?
[08:33] <crimsun> ubuntu_user: I think you meant da_bon_bon?
[08:33] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: when?
[08:33] <ogra> tavon: there may be one, the Artwork wiki page shows pictures.....
[08:33] <ubuntu_user> crimsun, yes
[08:34] <ogra> tavon: look at the markup code how its done there....
[08:34] <thenuke> I wonder if there is frontend for wget :o
[08:34] <crimsun> thenuke: many
[08:34] <ogra> thenuke: gwget ?
[08:34] <da_bon_bon> ubuntu_user: when?
[08:34] <thenuke> google just found that gwget
[08:34] <thenuke> I guess I will try that
[08:34] <thenuke> da_bon_bon: maybe you should try that gwget too
[08:34] <thenuke> da_bon_bon: wget is capable of grapping things from the web
[08:35] <thenuke> and then you you can browse those grabbed pages with your browser
[08:35] <da_bon_bon> thenuke: something graphical ?
[08:36] <thenuke> da_bon_bon: gwget is graphical frontend for wget
[08:36] <thenuke> http://gwget.sourceforge.net/
[08:37] <da_bon_bon> ok
[08:37] <ubuntu_user> da_bon_bon, when what?
[08:38] <da_bon_bon> ubuntu_user: crimsun told that u meant to refer to me; u said yes; i asked when ?
[08:38] <cenerentola> thenuke:  gwget... is not really that nice
[08:38] <[Phaedrus] > Has anyone had any luck making a Motorola SM56 PCI modem work with ubuntu?
[08:39] <ogra> hrmpf, ubuntuguide.....whats that ? sudo ln -s /dev/ttyUSB1 /dev/pilot
[08:40] <drspin> how can I check to see what drives have DNA enabled?
[08:40] <drspin> *DMA (sorry)
[08:42] <ubuntu_user> da_bon_bon, when i asked, how open external links as new tabs in firefox
[08:42] <ubuntu_user> da_bon_bon, when you asked, how open external links as new tabs in firefox
[08:44] <da_bon_bon> ubuntu_user: do u know how to open ?
[08:45] <ubuntu_user> yes, go to advanced preferences in firefox
[08:45] <ubuntu_user> da_bon_bon, yes, go to advanced preferences in firefox
[08:45] <ubuntu_user> da_bon_bon, tabbed browsing
[08:46] <zenwhen> http://zenhardwhere.com/files/free-software.mp3
[08:46] <da_bon_bon> ubuntu_user: i am firefox 0.9.3 - theres no 'tabbed browsing' in 'preferences -> advanced'
[08:48] <ubuntu_user> da_bon_bon, and a similar option???
[08:50] <da_bon_bon> ubuntu_user: no. afaik theres no wya to open external links in new tabs. anyway, which firefox do u use ?
[08:50] <ogra> whoa this ubuntuguide is soo wrong in so many places.... cant belive it
[08:50] <da_bon_bon> ogra: where, for example ?
[08:51] <ubuntu_user> da_bon_bon, firefox 1.0
[08:52] <zenwhen> ogra, is it worse than the ubunbtu wiki article that helps you set up a completely insecure NFS share?
[08:52] <zenwhen> lol
[08:52] <da_bon_bon> ubuntu_user: did u manage to get it to be your defualt browser?
[08:52] <ubuntu_user> da_bon_bon, make a upgrade of firefox, i download the oficial version...
[08:52] <ogra> da_bon_bon: i about a third of the suggestions i would say...... for example the rescue mode part, point 1 is just wrong point 2 is written really dangerous
[08:53] <da_bon_bon> i mean, suppose u click on this link - www.google.com - will it open in firefox ?
[08:53] <da_bon_bon> ubuntu_user: u sued the .tar.gz file, didnt u ?
[08:53] <da_bon_bon> ogra: even i noticed mistake in rescue 1.
[08:53] <ogra> zenwhen: heh, havent read this one, will look at it after i calmed down a bit.....
[08:54] <da_bon_bon> ubuntu_user: u used the .tar.gz file, didnt u ?
[08:54] <ogra> aaaaaaaaaaaaagrh sudo gedit /etc/sudoers
[08:55] <ubuntu_user> da_bon_bon, yes, ubuntu repositories not have firefox 1.0
[08:55] <zenwhen> ogra, oh that doesnt work?
[08:55] <zenwhen> You cant add sudoers that way?
[08:55] <sjoerd> zenwhen: NEVER edit sudoers directly..
[08:55] <da_bon_bon> ubuntu_user: then u followed the guide ?
[08:55] <ogra> zenwhen: it works, but there is a reason for visudo on debian systems
[08:55] <xenonite> hi!
[08:55] <thoreauputic> zenwhen: you can, but it's risky
[08:55] <zenwhen> oh, I must be superman then.
[08:55] <ubuntu_user> da_bon_bon, the guide ??
[08:55] <zenwhen> 8)
[08:56] <xenonite> how can i set sshd to start on boot time?
[08:56] <da_bon_bon> ubuntu_user: on ubuntulinux.org the page about upgrading...
[08:56] <ogra> xenonite: it should do it automatically if its installed
[08:56] <xenonite> ok cool
[08:56] <da_bon_bon> ubuntu_user: ok, tell me how exactly did u update? even i want to.
[08:56] <thoreauputic> zenwhen: basically, it works if you get it right, but if you don't it doesn't warn you
[08:56] <sjoerd> ogra: time to suggest some moderation for that guide ? :)
[08:56] <xenonite> and i want rsyncd to start automatically, too
[08:57] <zenwhen> then get it right
[08:57] <ogra> sjoerd: yep, i looked at it yesterday for the first time.....
[08:57] <thoreauputic> zenwhen: hmm...   not good  advice for new users though
[08:57] <zenwhen> I personally used nano to edit sudoers.
[08:57] <xenonite> da_bon_bon:  how can i achieve that rsyncd starts on boot time, too?
[08:58] <thoreauputic> zenwhen: congratulations </sarcasm>
[08:58] <thoreauputic> :)
[08:58] <ogra> heh
[08:58] <da_bon_bon> xenonite: no idea... :)
[08:58] <zenwhen> If they cant copy and paste, how to the expect to manage a linux system?
[08:58] <zenwhen> I mean, its not hard.
[08:58] <sjoerd> zenwhen: EDITOR=nano visudo  then :)
[08:58] <zenwhen> wow
[08:59] <zenwhen> I'll go without hand holding while editing config files thanks.
[08:59] <thoreauputic> zenwhen: Ubuntu is not for hardcore Linux people - I spent hours helping a girl who just liked it and wanted to learn
[08:59] <ogra> zenwhen: ubuntu aims the desktop part should be manageable without the commandline..... so without editing files
[09:00] <xenonite> ok... :/
[09:00] <zenwhen> I moved from Slack because it wasnt user friendly enough, and may have gone too far the other direction.
[09:01] <ogra> zenwhen: nope, its ok for you, but the main audience that asks for help here is more unexperienced as you probably have noticed
[09:01] <zenwhen> I really like Ubuntu but don't understand the harm of alowing people an opportunity to learn.
[09:01] <thoreauputic> zenwhen: not really - if you want to you can dive in and do it yourself: it's just a question of remembering that a lot of Ubuntu people are newbies
[09:01] <zenwhen> A generation f clueless linux users will kill the progress that has been made thus far.
[09:02] <sjoerd> zenwhen: nobody prevents people from learning
[09:02] <zenwhen> We arent immortal.
[09:02] <zenwhen> Oh well
[09:02] <zenwhen> Ill be quiet.
[09:02] <zenwhen> :P
[09:02] <thoreauputic> zenwhen: do you propose to make it illegal for newns to use Linux then?
[09:02] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: u in australia right ?
[09:02] <thoreauputic> yup
[09:02] <zenwhen> Nope
[09:03] <thoreauputic> zenwhen: it takes time to get a clue, for most people
[09:03] <zenwhen> Well you dont get it without touching the cli.
[09:03] <ogra> you do
[09:03] <zenwhen> Cheilding newbs from the cli is going to bite us in the behind one day.
[09:04] <zenwhen> shielding*
[09:04] <thoreauputic> *sigh*  Of course - but make it easier and not intimidating
[09:04] <mjg59> There is no reason that most users should have to use the CLI
[09:05] <mjg59> The majority of the market out there is for simple desktop setups. Most people don't want to run servers.
[09:05] <da_bon_bon> anyone from antarctica or alaska here ?
[09:05] <briansanders4> hey, anyone know if ubuntu <IP_ADDRESS>-4-386 is compiled with scsi and ide-scsi support?
[09:05] <ogra> briansanders4: no use for ide-scsi in 2.6
[09:05] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: actually I'm from a small planet near Betelgeuse ;)
[09:06] <ogra> briansanders4: scsi is in .....
[09:06] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: ok.
[09:06] <zenwhen> anyway, I need to boot into 2.6.10
[09:06] <mjg59> ogra: That's not strictly true
[09:06] <zenwhen> I have to run the christmas kernel
[09:06] <zenwhen> 8)
[09:06] <mjt> is 2.6.10 out already?
[09:06] <zenwhen> yep
[09:06] <tim1> hello
[09:06] <mjg59> Came out yesterday
[09:06] <zenwhen> rebooting
[09:06] <ogra> mjg59: so whats the usecase then :)
[09:06] <mjt> ugh.
[09:06] <mjg59> It ought to be in Hoary soon
[09:06] <mjt> there are ALOT of fixes in 2.6.10
[09:07] <mjg59> ogra: There are some apps that send raw scsi commands (like the one that resets the region change count on my DVD drive)
[09:07] <tim1> my ubuntu doesn't automount my usb stick anymore, there seem to be problems with the permissions of pmount
[09:07] <da_bon_bon> when i click on .deb files in nautilus, it gives an error. what do i do ?
[09:07] <tim1> how should pmount be set normally
[09:07] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: why are you clicking on .debs in the first place?
[09:07] <briansanders4> i need scsi emulation, because my new cdrw won't burn with ubuntu <IP_ADDRESS>-4-386
[09:08] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: then how do i install them? dpkg ?
[09:08] <ogra> mjg59: ah, ok...so the apps need update :) then i understand why its still there..... was already wondering
[09:08] <briansanders4> it won't burn in any mode, although I can read CDs from it
[09:08] <mjg59> ogra: Also, it's the easiest way to use stuff that accesses CDs directly under Wine
[09:08] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: you still haven't read the FAQ or the synaptic guide, have you?
[09:08] <briansanders4> the cdrw is a sony CRX320A
[09:08] <ogra> briansanders4: did you give cdrecord the dev=/devhdX option ?
[09:08] <ogra> opps
[09:09] <briansanders4> yeah, cdrecord dev=/dev/hdd
[09:09] <ogra> dev=/dev/hdX where X is the actual drive letter
[09:09] <briansanders4> nogo, it sees the drive, but says that the device is unrecognized or unsupported
[09:09] <mjt> there was something about dev=atapi:xxx too...
[09:09] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: no :)) ok i will read now.
[09:09] <briansanders4> won't write in tao, raw, etc
[09:10] <ogra> briansanders4: but in other modes ?
[09:10] <briansanders4> i can't use sudo cdrecord -scanbus either
[09:10] <briansanders4> that gives an error
[09:10] <briansanders4> no mode works
[09:10] <briansanders4> that i've tried
[09:11] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: as a general rule, you don't need to install debs directly : using synaptic is the right way, or learning to use apt-get
[09:11] <briansanders4> tao, sao, raw, so far
[09:11] <ogra> briansanders4: dao ?
[09:11] <briansanders4> haven't tried that yet
[09:11] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: i know how to install in synaptic or using apt-get, but i was wondering if i could click onthem...
[09:11] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: well, now you know that won't work, right?
[09:12] <tim1> can somebody with working automount oft usb storage devices please do a 'ls -l /usr/bin/pmount' ?
[09:12] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: ok.
[09:12] <ogra> tim1: are you looking for the plugdev group ?
[09:13] <tim1> erm .. i'm looking how to make my usb stick automount again
[09:13] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: if you try to install individual debs, you are *very* likely to have all kinds of dependency problems
[09:13] <ubuntu_user> anyone can tell me why my cdrecorder is not propretly reconized??
[09:13] <briansanders4> no luck with dao, same message:
[09:13] <briansanders4> cdrecord: Warning: controller returns wrong size for CD capabilities page.
[09:13] <briansanders4> cdrecord: Sorry, no CD/DVD-Recorder or unsupported CD/DVD-Recorder found on this target.
[09:13] <briansanders4> cdrecord: Warning: controller returns wrong size for CD capabilities page.
[09:13] <wood1> hi to all
[09:13] <ogra> tim1: look with the groups command if you are in the plugdev group
[09:13] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: yes. i find apt-get easier..
[09:13] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: that's why apt and synaptic are there to help withh that stuff
[09:14] <wood1> ogra, do you dual boot your Ubuntu with Windows ?
[09:14] <ogra> wood1: on one of my laotops is a win98... but i never booted it.... :)
[09:14] <ogra> wood1: whats the prob ?
[09:15] <da_bon_bon> wood1: i do.
[09:15] <ubuntu_user> anyone can tell me why my cdrecorder is not propretly reconized??
[09:15] <wood1> Well nothing, just asking, Can we create a system where we can dual boot both Ubuntu Warty and Ubuntu Hoary ?
[09:15] <tim1> ogra: now i am, still does't work ... gnome-volume-manager tells me that i have no perms for /usr/bin/pmount
[09:15] <zenwhen> Linux sunball 2.6.10 #6 SMP Sat Dec 25 09:56:32 EST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[09:15] <ogra> tim1: you porobably need to login again
[09:16] <tim1> i'll try that
[09:16] <tim1> thanks in advance
[09:16] <ogra> tim1: or did you modify pmount anyhow ?
[09:16] <briansanders4> ubuntu_user: what's the problem with your cdrecorder (just wondering, because mine won't burn)
[09:17] <zenwhen> 2.6.10 breaks automounting flash drives in ubuntu
[09:17] <zenwhen> FYI
[09:17] <tim1> btw: there is even an option in the users & groups setting in gnome for plugdev, i just recoggnized
[09:17] <tim1> ogra: no
[09:17] <sjoerd> zenwhen: why ?
[09:17] <tim1> ogra: but im running hoary ...
[09:17] <zenwhen> Mounted before with the same config.
[09:17] <ogra> tim1: oh, ok....
[09:17] <wood1> ogra, I forgot the option where we need to unhide the GNOME Desktop in GConf-Editor ?
[09:17] <zenwhen> 2.6.10 broke it. I dont know why yet.
[09:17] <tim1> im using 2.6.9 anyway ...
[09:18] <briansanders4> tim1: where'd you get 2.6.9?
[09:18] <ogra> tim1: /usr/bin/pmount should belong to the plugdev group
[09:18] <ogra> oh
[09:18] <ogra> gone
[09:18] <tim1> ogra: it works. thank you very much .. again ...
[09:19] <sjoerd> zenwhen: lemme know if you know :)
[09:19] <ogra> :)
[09:19] <mjt> what is pmount btw?
[09:19] <briansanders4> does anybody know how to get an atapi/eide cdrw working under <IP_ADDRESS>-4-386??
[09:19] <mjt> cdrw? Works For Me (tm)
[09:19] <ubuntu_user> briansanders4, i have the same problem
[09:19] <wood1> ogra, where is the option in Gconf-editor to show the GNOME desktop while right clicking the desktop ?
[09:19] <mjt> almost all cdrws are eide nowadays
[09:20] <ogra> briansanders4: most ive seen just work with the dev option, you prbably need device specific options
[09:20] <briansanders4> let me rephrase that, has anyone installed on sucessfully on an existing system, with a master cd
[09:20] <ogra> wood1: in nautilus/interface i think.....
[09:20] <ogra> wood1: /apps/nautilus/interface
[09:20] <briansanders4> i can' t even get it to try to write in raw mode
[09:20] <wood1> ok thanks
[09:21] <briansanders4> it doesn't even get to the point where its worried about options
[09:21] <ogra> briansanders4: google for the drive and cdrecord, it probably needs extra options
[09:21] <briansanders4> tried that, nothing
[09:21] <briansanders4> i've heard people got it working with scsi emulation, but I haven't been successful with that either
[09:22] <mjt> how it's "does not work", exactly?
[09:22] <mjt> i'm even using it with packet patches -- ie, like an ordinary filesystem
[09:23] <mjt> several different machines, several different cdrw and dvdrws, both scsi and atapi - works without a single prob
[09:23] <briansanders4> cdrecord [-any type]  dev=/dev/hdd test.iso
[09:23] <mjt> yes?
[09:24] <briansanders4> yields several errors, the most ominous:
[09:24] <briansanders4> cdrecord: Warning: controller returns wrong size for CD capabilities page.
[09:24] <briansanders4> Device type    : Removable CD-ROM
[09:24] <briansanders4> Version        : 0
[09:24] <briansanders4> Response Format: 2
[09:24] <briansanders4> Capabilities   :
[09:24] <briansanders4> Vendor_info    : 'SONY    '
[09:24] <briansanders4> Identifikation : 'CD-RW  CRX320E  '
[09:24] <briansanders4> Revision       : 'NYK2'
[09:24] <briansanders4> Device seems to be: Generic CD-ROM.
[09:24] <briansanders4> cdrecord: Warning: controller returns wrong size for CD capabilities page.
[09:24] <briansanders4> cdrecord: Sorry, no CD/DVD-Recorder or unsupported CD/DVD-Recorder found on this target.
[09:24] <thoreauputic> briansanders4: I had problems with CDRW when I changed from 2.4 to 2.6 - I needed to edit /etc/fstab as well as specifying /dev/hdc in k3b
[09:24] <ogra> pleas dnot flood here
[09:24] <wood1> does the nautilus-burner support multi-session on CD-R disc ?
[09:24] <thoreauputic> dunno if that helps
[09:24] <mjt> looks like your device says it can only read CDs...
[09:25] <briansanders4> fstab doesn' t matter if its not mounted
[09:25] <thoreauputic> briansanders4: possibly the symlink for /dev/cdrom points to the wrong place
[09:25] <mjt> er
[09:25] <mjt> nope ;)
[09:26] <ogra> h,
[09:26] <briansanders4> nope, look at the entry in the output from cdrecord
[09:26] <briansanders4> that's the right device
[09:26] <ogra> briansanders4: did you _ever_ burn with this drive on linux ?
[09:27] <briansanders4> no, but I've seen postings where people were successful (at least under 2.6.9)
[09:28] <ogra> briansanders4: ah, its _this_ new
[09:28] <drspin> what is the best way to burn an ISO??
[09:28] <briansanders4> "_this_new"?
[09:29] <ogra> drspin: right click
[09:29] <drspin> hmmm
[09:29] <ogra> briansanders4: how old is it ?
[09:29] <briansanders4> oh, brand new
[09:30] <ogra> briansanders4: thats what i meant....its _that_ new, that only 2.6.9 supports it :)
[09:30] <drspin> ogra: ??
[09:30] <ogra> drspin: right click the iso :) look for burn to disk
[09:30] <drspin> nope
[09:30] <drspin> not an option...
[09:30] <briansanders4> don't know, i haven't tried 2.6.9, which i probably should
[09:30] <ogra> drspin: on warty ?
[09:30] <thoreauputic> drspin: locate your ISO image in nautilus file manager, right-click, burn ISO
[09:31] <briansanders4> is there a 2.6.9 package for warty?
[09:31] <mjt> briansanders4: that's.. strange. works for me in 2.4.27, 2.6.5, 2.6.8, 2.6.9 and new 2.6.10
[09:31] <drspin> ogra: ironic... we write ISO in all caps but if the extension ISO is all caps in nautilus it won't have the burn to disk option... if it's in lowercase, it will! ;)
[09:31] <ogra> mjt: you got the same drive ?
[09:32] <mjt> we have about 20 different drives
[09:32] <ogra> drspin: heh....should be fixed.....
[09:32] <mjt> not that one exatly
[09:32] <briansanders4> yeah, i've never had issues with fedora, with 2.4.*
[09:32] <mjt> in fact, no single sony drive
[09:32] <briansanders4> this is a Sony CRX320A
[09:32] <mjt> i see
[09:32] <drspin> ogra - nope
[09:32] <neighborlee> Merry Christmas everyone ;-00000
[09:33] <briansanders4> i'd bring it back and get another if i knew it would work
[09:33] <ogra> drspin: nope ?
[09:33] <ogra> neighborlee: ho ho ho
[09:33] <mjt> i had some.. issues, which turned out to be firmware probs in some old teac scsi cdrw...
[09:33] <thoreauputic> briansanders4: does google turn up any problems like yours with linux?
[09:34] <mjt> *all* other devices just worked, so i never even bothered to look how it all works
[09:34] <thoreauputic> with that sony I mean
[09:34] <briansanders4> not exactly like mine, mostly people claiming that 2.6 kernel "broke something" and their old drives give similar messages from cdrecord
[09:35] <briansanders4> nothing with the exact drive and ubuntu kernel
[09:35] <thoreauputic> but this is on Debian, not Ubuntu
[09:35] <mjt> btw, did you try burning as root?
[09:35] <briansanders4> yeah
[09:35] <mjt> that's the only "issue" wich was with 2.6.8 or so
[09:36] <mjt> some permission checks have changed in that version
[09:36] <briansanders4> this is actually for my parents machine; i haven't burned any cds on mine since swithing from fedora
[09:36] <Cloudchaser> i have a question
[09:36] <mjt> Cloudchaser: good for you ;-P
[09:36] <briansanders4> this line looks odd to me though; Device seems to be: Generic CD-ROM.
[09:37] <ogra> briansanders4: yep
[09:37] <mjt> that's how it works here as well, briansanders4
[09:37] <briansanders4> i don't remember if that's a normal response or cdrecord should be recognizing it as a CDRW
[09:37] <mjt> for my cdrw/dvdr combo drive:
[09:37] <mjt> Device type    : Removable CD-ROM
[09:37] <mjt> Version        : 0
[09:37] <mjt> Response Format: 2
[09:37] <mjt> Capabilities   :
[09:37] <mjt> Vendor_info    : 'TOSHIBA '
[09:37] <mjt> Identifikation : 'ODD-DVD SD-R1512'
[09:38] <mjt> Revision       : '1010'
[09:38] <mjt> Device seems to be: Generic mmc2 DVD-ROM.
[09:38] <ogra> mjt: hey
[09:38] <briansanders4> its hard to tell what means anything on the output from cdrecord
[09:38] <ogra> mjt: in #flood please
[09:38] <Cloudchaser> the ubuntu forums and the ubuntu mailing list...do developers see that? how does one know if an issue is a bug or just ignorance?
[09:38] <briansanders4> some things i understand are just warnings and can be ignored
[09:39] <briansanders4> i'd like to try the 2.6.9 kernel; any ideas on what repository to get it from?  it doesn' t seem to be available via the standard warty channels
[09:40] <mjt> hmm.. here's the difference: "Generic mmc2 DVD-ROM" vs "Generic CD-ROM" -- note the lack of `mmcN'
[09:40] <briansanders4> mjt: any ideas what that means?
[09:41] <mjt> briansanders4: it's in the "unstable" part of ubuntu -- the kernel, that is
[09:41] <mjt> in your sources.list, s/warty/hoary/
[09:42] <da_bon_bon> ubuntu_user: are u here ? i got it working....
[09:42] <mjt> and... no ideas about that 'mmc' stuff.. ;)  For me it means cdrecord's hardware-access library isn't being used in your case
[09:43] <cyph> hmm, is there a copy of ndiswrapper on the ubuntu 4.10 cd somewhere? i'd like to install it
[09:43] <mjt> it's a kernel "driver"
[09:44] <mjt> so, it's in linux-xxx packages
[09:44] <cyph> ah, so ubuntu installs it by default? excellent
[09:44] <mjt> dunno about "by default", but it is in kernel
[09:44] <ogra> cyph: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[09:45] <briansanders4> mjt: how do I add 'unstable' to the sources?
[09:45] <briansanders4> i've never really understood the apt format
[09:45] <mjt> 23:41 < mjt> briansanders4: it's in the "unstable" part of ubuntu -- the kernel, that is
[09:45] <mjt> 23:41 < mjt> in your sources.list, s/warty/hoary/
[09:46] <mjt> or you can grab it via ftp, ofcourse...
[09:46] <cyph> ogra: sadly, that appears to require an internet connection to download ndiswrapper; right now the internet connection is not an option without having ndiswrapper in the first place :(
[09:46] <briansanders4> do I add it to these two lines?:
[09:46] <briansanders4> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[09:46] <briansanders4> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[09:46] <cyph> thanks for the link though, i'll definitely refer back to it as soon as i find a way to get ndiswrapper without having a net connection
[09:46] <mjt> cyph: but you DO have internet connection, while talking in this channel!.. ;)
[09:46] <ubuntu_user> da_bon_bon, yes
[09:47] <ogra> cyph: where does it say that ?
[09:47] <cyph> mjt: nah, multiple PCs :P
[09:47] <cyph> ogra: "update your repository"; plus ndiswrapper-utils doesn't come up in package search in synaptic
[09:47] <mjt> briansanders4: add similar line with "hoary" instead of "warty" in it
[09:48] <ogra> cyph: hmm, thought it is on the cd
[09:48] <mjt> briansanders4: and i think you also missed "main" part (in addition to universe) but i'm not sure
[09:48] <da_bon_bon> ubuntu_user: got it running. thanks bye
[09:48] <cyph> yeah, it doesn't appear to be... none of the linux/kernel packages have it
[09:48] <mjt> briansanders4: and.. i think.. don't forget to add "APT::Default-Release warty;" into /etc/apt/apt.conf...
[09:48] <ubuntu_user> briansanders4, i can't active cdrecorder dma, and the system is too slow when burn a cd. cdrecorder, not recognize the drive corectly because this..
[09:49] <ogra> briansanders4: but beware of pulling other things then the kernel in..... it can break your system to mix the distributions
[09:49] <mjt> here it works even w/o dma... ;)
[09:49] <briansanders4> thx, believe me, all i'm getting is the kernel :)
[09:49] <mjt> it might require some deps
[09:50] <mjt> that's why i mention "default-release" thing
[09:50] <ogra> briansanders4: another option is to complete switch to hoary if you can live with the instabilities and breakages
[09:51] <cyph> does hoary tend to be more stable than debian sid?
[09:51] <ogra> cyph: nope
[09:51] <zenrox> Cyberjames,  no
[09:51] <cyph> how about less stable?
[09:51] <skobrosl> anyone here instaled mono?
[09:51] <zenrox> tho i dont have too many probs with hoary
[09:51] <ogra> cyph: its the instabilities of sid plus the ones of hoary
[09:52] <mjt> btw, how ubuntu is "better" than debian? ;-P
[09:52] <zenrox> cyph, ya what ogra  said
[09:52] <cyph> ogra: that sounds scary :(
[09:52] <zenrox> SysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.9-1-686 CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz 1992.968 MHz Bogomips: 3948.54 Mem: 256/497M [||||||||||]  Diskspace: 36.86G Free: 32.86G Procs: 80 Uptime: 1 hr 2 mins 17 secs Load: 2.13 2.06 2.04  Screen: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) Screen Resolution: 1600x1200 (24 bpp) eth0: In: 348.42M Out: 19.22M
[09:53] <skobrosl> anyone here installed mono?
[09:53] <zenrox> cyph, you dont get much uptime with hoary
[09:53] <ogra> cyph: it is scary, but you see what will be coming up next ;) i.e. 45 boottime or a really fast starting X server etc
[09:53] <briansanders4> ok, installing the kernel now
[09:53] <ogra> 45 sec
[09:53] <briansanders4> the sad thing is that i really don't expect this to work, and then i'll have to bring this back and buy another burner and repeat the whole process
[09:53] <zenrox> ogra,  lol
[09:54] <briansanders4> ugh
[09:54] <mjt> yeah i too don't think it'll work with 2.6.9...
[09:54] <mjt> i mean, there should be no real difference
[09:54] <ogra> zenrox: dont laugh, the new bootprocess will be a revolution ;)
[09:54] <cyph> zenrox: i do use sid on a machine, the only time that really bit me in the ass over the past few years was when it wiped out a passwd file
[09:55] <mjt> boot process? do you mean hotplug/*.rc stuff too?
[09:55] <ogra> cyph: easy solved
[09:55] <briansanders4> its tough to check new hw for compatibility, usually i'm the first one to take the plunge, and it doesn't work more often than it works
[09:55] <cyph> yeah, it wasn't that bad
[09:55] <ogra> mjt: from Booting Ubuntu..... to starting gdm ....
[09:55] <briansanders4> ok, thanks for your help, here goes nothing....
[09:56] <cyph> hoary doesn't include xorg, does it? i do want to try and get ati drivers going
[09:56] <mjt> it does
[09:56] <mjt> and it even... works ;)
[09:56] <ogra> briansanders4: for new kernels you need to reboot :)
[09:56] <briansanders4> yeah, i'm off to reboot now (crossing fingers...)
[09:57] <ogra> cyph: no ati drivers (from ati) for xorg yet
[09:57] <lizdeika> just installed amule and it looks really ugly :) can i do smth with that ?
[09:57] <thoreauputic> ogra: yeah, I had to leave my seven week uptime behind to boot my new 2.6 kernel ;)
[09:58] <ogra> heh
[09:58] <ubuntu_user> how scan ide devices with cdrecord???
[09:58] <ogra> ubuntu_user: you dont
[09:58] <ACIDnet> is there a way to use my Ipod with linux??
[09:58] <ogra> ubuntu_user: you give the devaice name in the dev parameter, like dev=/dev/hdc
[09:59] <cyph> ogra: yeah, that's why i was wondering about the xorginess of hoary... had the same problem with suse 9.2 on the laptop, since suse ships it with xorg by default
[09:59] <ogra> ubuntu_user: so no need for scanning here as you know the name
[09:59] <cyph> guess i'll just stick to whatever this 4.10 shipped with for now
[09:59] <cyph> also, i have ndiswrapper now, yay
[10:00] <ogra> cyph: i may be wrong, but i think the ati drivers from xorg are ok.....
[10:00] <cyph> i want 3d acceleration though :(
[10:00] <ogra> cyph: then wait till april :)
[10:00] <ogra> cyph: and stay with warty
[10:00] <cyph> mid-jan is what they said last, actually :P
[10:00] <ubuntu_user> ogra, ok, i am testing gnomebaker, and it not recognize my drive, in the site say that if cdrecorder works gnomebaker works, but cdrecoder, works, and gnomebaker not..
[10:01] <ogra> cyph: for the hoary release i mean :)
[10:01] <cyph> ah
[10:01] <cyph> nah, i'm just being held up by the ati drivers :P
[10:01] <cyph> and ndiswrapper prevents me from switching to a 64-bit distro
[10:01] <ogra> cyph: you got a amd64 ?
[10:02] <cyph> yeah, the laptop is evil in a box
[10:02] <ogra> cyph: lucky you.....
[10:02] <cyph> ati card, broadcom wireless and 64-bit :(
[10:02] <mjt> btw, what do you guys use ndiswrapper for?
[10:02] <ogra> cyph: i would consider some bucks for a new card then....
[10:02] <cyph> ogra: can't really swap the card out in a laptop though
[10:02] <mjt> broadcom supports their ethernet nics under linux well
[10:03] <ogra> cyph: nope, but desnt it have usb or pcmcia ?
[10:03] <ogra> doesnt
[10:03] <cyph> mjt: it's for wireless, it basically takes the windows drivers and uses them on top of the linux kernel or something
[10:03] <cyph> yeah, but the pcmcia slot is being used by a bluetooth card :(
[10:03] <cyph> (that also doesn't work in linux)
[10:03] <cyph> hehe
[10:03] <mjt> i know what ndiswrapper does (scary thing), but i dunno what hardware it is used for
[10:03] <cenerentola> cyph: why not usb for bluetooth..
[10:03] <cyph> mjt: broadcom in my case
[10:03] <ogra> cyph: so you could swap it with a wlan card ;)
[10:03] <cyph> cenerentola: hate dongles :P
[10:03] <mjt> broadcom what?
[10:04] <cyph> mjt: broadcom 54g wireless chipset
[10:04] <cenerentola> mjt: you use it for hw that doesn't have support [device driver]  under linux
[10:04] <mjt> for quite some time i haven't seen a device which isn't supported under linux...  except of winmodems
[10:04] <cyph> yeah, same here
[10:05] <cyph> until i bought this laptop
[10:05] <cyph> heh
[10:05] <ogra> mjt: there are loads of them (wlan wise)
[10:05] <briansanders4> mjt: lol! 2.6.9 booted (with some ugly errors) and i was able to burn a cd no problem
[10:05] <mjt> briansanders4: that's.. very strange
[10:05] <briansanders4> unfortunately, it failed mounting the second hd that has all the pictures that my mother wants to burn onto cds
[10:05] <briansanders4> so i'm still screwed
[10:05] <mjt> there was no changes in that stuff in 2.6.9
[10:06] <ogra> mjt: unfortunately the use of ndiswrapper doesnt encourage the vendors to develop linux support
[10:06] <mjt> ogra: i understand full well what it means
[10:06] <thoreauputic> briansanders4: you can't mount that hard drive manually?
[10:06] <briansanders4> i actually burned it from nautilus
[10:06] <briansanders4> worked like a charm (before it gave the errors from cdrecord)
[10:06] <briansanders4> haven't tried yet
[10:06] <briansanders4> the entry in fstab didn't work
[10:06] <mjt> ogra: and i understand full well i will NOT use it on any production machine, too... ;)
[10:07] <briansanders4> it used to automount under 2.6.8 no problem
[10:07] <mjt> "didn't work" is a great description of a problem
[10:07] <mjt> ;)
[10:07] <ogra> mjt: hehe, me neither... i dont buy unsupported hw....
[10:07] <thoreauputic> briansanders4: probably just an /etc/fstab edit will fix it
[10:07] <mjt> not even about unsupported.. but i don't trust that sort of setup, with some foreign driver...
[10:07] <briansanders4> oh, and I got about 10 of these from dmesg (showed during boot):
[10:07] <briansanders4> device-mapper: : dm-linear: Device lookup failed
[10:07] <briansanders4> device-mapper: error adding target to table
[10:07] <briansanders4> device-mapper: : dm-linear: Device lookup failed
[10:08] <mjt> you don't have dm-linear module (loaded)
[10:08] <mjt> that's windows dynamic discs, right?
[10:08] <mjt> (or how that thing is called anyway)
[10:09] <mjt> briansanders4: thich error you've seen during mount?
[10:09] <mjt> which even
[10:10] <briansanders4> this is interesting too:
[10:10] <briansanders4> root@ubuntu:/mnt # mount -t ext2 /dev/hdb /mnt/share/
[10:10] <briansanders4> mount: /dev/hdb already mounted or /mnt/share/ busy
[10:10] <briansanders4> root@ubuntu:/mnt # umount /mnt/share/
[10:10] <briansanders4> umount: /mnt/share/: not mounted
[10:10] <mjt> ogra: btw, are you doing hotplug maintenance in ubuntu?
[10:10] <sjoerd> briansanders4: umount /dev/hdb ?
[10:10] <Setite> brian haha wtf
[10:10] <ogra> mjt: nope....i'm on my way to new maintainer/member.....
[10:11] <StolenShoeBox> hello I was messing around with the panels and I acedently deleted the systray icon thingy
[10:11] <ubuntu_user> ogra, ok my cdrecorder now works, but nautilus-cdrecorder and gnomebaker not work, whats the problem now?
[10:11] <StolenShoeBox> can someone tell me how to get it back?
[10:11] <mjt> briansanders4: is hdb shown in /proc/partitions?
[10:11] <ogra> mjt: want to conquer the xscreensaver, isdn-utils and probably the softmodem stuff.....but hal is qite interesting too....
[10:11] <Setite> do you guys think that the whole new release every 6 months or so on some distros is good?
[10:12] <thoreauputic> StolenShoeBox: your description isn't quite clear... but right click on the panel should give you some options
[10:12] <thoreauputic> as in "add applet" or whatever
[10:12] <StolenShoeBox> ive tryed that
[10:12] <StolenShoeBox> looked for like 10mins
[10:12] <StolenShoeBox> up and down the list
[10:12] <StolenShoeBox> nothing
[10:12] <StolenShoeBox> you knwow here u can minimize to tray
[10:12] <briansanders4> mjt: yes
[10:13] <StolenShoeBox> where*
[10:13] <ogra> StolenShoeBox: thoreauputic is right....
[10:13] <mjt> briansanders4: anything else about hdb there? hdb1, hdb2 etc?
[10:13] <thoreauputic> add window list or add notification area perhaps?
[10:13] <briansanders4> the funny thing is that I got no errors from dmsg for hdb (the part is hdb1), but did get a bunch from hdd (the burner, which worked fine):  the relevant messages are in flood
[10:14] <StolenShoeBox> noatifaction area! thats it
[10:14] <StolenShoeBox> werid name for it thow =P
[10:14] <thoreauputic> StolenShoeBox: yeah I had that problem some months ago ;)
[10:14] <briansanders4> mount says the mount point is busy or the dev is already mounted
[10:14] <StolenShoeBox> =)
[10:14] <thoreauputic> StolenShoeBox:  I agree it isn't intuitive
[10:15] <StolenShoeBox> now can someone help me with a good p2p app liek shareaza?
[10:15] <briansanders4> but when i try to unmount it, it tells me that nothing is mounted there
[10:15] <StolenShoeBox> btw thx u guys
[10:15] <mjt> briansanders4: i mean, do you really want to mount hdb, or is it hdb1 (aka the partition) ?
[10:15] <briansanders4> hdb1
[10:16] <ogra> briansanders4: post the output of mount (without options) in #flood please
[10:16] <mjt> briansanders4: so why you tried to mount hdb when?
[10:16] <briansanders4> when i try to mount it manually it tells me that its already mounted
[10:17] <StolenShoeBox> thoreauputic: know any good apps for linux like shareaza/kazaa?
[10:17] <thoreauputic> StolenShoeBox: :/
[10:17] <briansanders4> mount -t ext2  /dev/hdb1 cdburner/
[10:17] <briansanders4> mount: /dev/hdb1 already mounted or point/ busy
[10:17] <thoreauputic> StolenShoeBox: no, sorry
[10:17] <ogra> briansanders4: wrong
[10:17] <briansanders4> errr... or cdburner/ busy
[10:17] <StolenShoeBox> thoreauputic, its cool =)
[10:17] <ogra> briansanders4: only mount
[10:18] <StolenShoeBox> thoreauputic, how about for burning cds?
[10:18] <briansanders4> what command do you want me to run?
[10:18] <ogra> briansanders4: mount
[10:18] <mjt> cat /proc/mounts  ;)
[10:18] <StolenShoeBox> thoreauputic, or any good rpg games or any games? =)
[10:18] <ogra> heh
[10:18] <ogra> mjt: good point
[10:18] <thoreauputic> StolenShoeBox: just address your questions to the channel - I'm not a guru
[10:19] <briansanders4> the output of mount is in flood
[10:19] <StolenShoeBox> thoreauputic, sure you are! jk =)
[10:19] <ogra> k, thnx
[10:19] <briansanders4> sorry, there's a lot of stuff in there right now :)
[10:19] <StolenShoeBox> does anyone know a good cd burning app?
[10:19] <mjt> that's ok
[10:19] <ogra> yep
[10:19] <briansanders4> no hdb1 in there
[10:20] <ogra> briansanders4: what kind of fs was this ? ext3 ?
[10:20] <briansanders4> its ext2, is that unsupported in 2.6.9 or something?
[10:20] <ogra> briansanders4: hdb1 i mean
[10:20] <mjt> try this: mount -t ext2 /dev/hdb1 /mnt ; dmesg | tail -5
[10:20] <briansanders4> i put all my parents shared files on the drive so I can easily upgrade their box
[10:20] <ogra> briansanders4: look with cat /proc/filesystems |grep ext
[10:21] <mjt> ext2 IS there
[10:21] <mjt> or else mount will complain about unknown/unsupported filesystem type
[10:21] <briansanders4> mjt: in flood
[10:21] <ogra> mjt: sure and hda1 is mounted ext3
[10:21] <mjt> er
[10:22] <briansanders4> ogra: root@ubuntu:/tmp # cat /proc/filesystems |grep ext
[10:22] <briansanders4>         ext2
[10:22] <briansanders4>         ext3
[10:22] <ogra> briansanders4: what is point/ ???
[10:22] <thoreauputic> ext3 is just ext2 + journal anyway
[10:22] <briansanders4> oh, that's the mount point, just an empty dir
[10:22] <mjt> your syslog is flooded by firewall log
[10:22] <ogra> yep
[10:22] <mjt> that doesn't help... ;)
[10:22] <Friczy> yes. just type dmesg -n 1 and the flood will stop
[10:23] <briansanders4> i created a new mount point just to rule out any issue with the existing one
[10:23] <ogra> briansanders4: you must give the absolute path (from /) not just point/