[05:01] <topper4125> Type 'cal' in seach.... if you click CALculator more times than CALendar, it'll eventually put the calculator icon first in the results (unless your name is calven.. then your home folder will reign supreme now matter what)
[05:01] <sprity> 100mbit are ondly ~11-12 mb/s
[05:01] <sprity> really slow for loading games
[05:02] <mih1406> ntzrmtthihu777, is there a reason behind that?
[05:02] <ubuntuaddicted> sprity, ok. what about a USB2.0 external hard drive formatted as ext4?
[05:02] <ntzrmtthihu777> mih1406: ubuntu usually doesn't have cutting edge stuff without ppa's and such.
[05:02] <Dr_Willis> ubuntuaddicted:  you could mount the hd to whever you want. or use soft links
[05:02] <sprity> ubntuaddicted: would be much faster :-)
[05:03] <BuzZBladE> ubuntuaddicted, ln –s file/folder_path link_path
[05:03] <Dr_Willis> i never give ln -s examples, i always get them backwards
[05:03] <Dr_Willis> ;)
[05:03] <ubuntuaddicted> are you guys stating this from experience or just what you found. cause i've seen some say symlink works and others say no
[05:04] <irrelev4nt> is anyone here knowledgeable about Ubuntu & SecureBoot?
[05:04] <sprity> ubuntuaddicted: USB2.0 can do 480 Mbit/s = ~ 60 mb/s
[05:04] <Dr_Willis> ubuntuaddicted:  i see no reason why they wouldent work  if its on a properly setup external disk
[05:04] <Dr_Willis> ubuntuaddicted:  dont expect fast load times
[05:04] <ObrienDave> ubuntuaddicted... probably like anything else, some like, some don't. go figure
[05:04] <BuzZBladE> ive used symlinks for years, if done correctly both folder locations would appear identicial
[05:05] <ntzrmtthihu777> !ask | irrelev4nt
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> you could put your whole home on the external USB if you wanted
[05:06] <topper4125> ... do'able... yes... recomended... doubtful :)
[05:07] <ubuntuaddicted> ok, so i would just make sure steam is closed, then move the ~/.local/share/Steam folder to my external USB disk and then create a symlink like ln -s ~/.local/share/Steam /media/external/usb/disk/steam  and then fire up steam and it should see everything and also install new games to the external disk>
[05:07] <ubuntuaddicted> ?
[05:07] <irrelev4nt> I have Ubuntu on a Surface Pro, I need SecureBoot enabled. Boot-Repair enabled UEFI but I can't boot, though.
[05:07] <irrelev4nt> Any ideas where I can look for troubleshooting?
[05:07] <topper4125> !uefi
[05:07] <Dr_Willis> ubuntuaddicted:  make sure your user has full rights to the device.  and  you may want to make a fstab entry for the drive so its mounted at boot time
[05:08] <MacFan> I guess that 12.10 doesn't work so well on the mac after all, it says kernel 3.5.0 17 powerpc64 smp, but when I type startx, it quits, saying fatal error no screens found
[05:08] <ubuntuaddicted> Dr_Willis, indeed, thanks guys
[05:08] <irrelev4nt> topper4125: I followed that guide to the letter but it still does not work. That's exactly why I am asking here
[05:08] <ObrienDave> another happy customer ;)
[05:09] <Ari-Yang> MacFan: it's not that 12.10 doesn't work "well on the mac"... it's that installation of 12.10 is fail
[05:09] <Ari-Yang> :|
[05:09] <sam113101> I'm pissed
[05:09] <Ari-Yang> sam113101: aren't we all?
[05:09] <MacFan> ok, is just the bootable cdrom, its not installed
[05:10] <Ari-Yang> MacFan: wait, did you just install 12.10?
[05:10] <MacFan> no
[05:10] <Ari-Yang> today
[05:10] <cfhowlett> sam113101, we know.  and?  if you want actual support, past the requested details.  or rant elsewhre.
[05:10] <Ari-Yang> oh
[05:10] <MacFan> just booted off the cd
[05:10] <Ari-Yang> MacFan: so you were attempting to install it?
[05:10] <sam113101> as I said, I can't watch videos, they play too fast and they don't have sound
[05:10] <sam113101> that's all I can say
[05:10] <cfhowlett> irrelev4nt, there are multiple guides to installing on a surface pro.
[05:10] <MacFan> no, I wanted to boot from the cd, hopefully with the gui, so I could get a feel for ubuntu, and learn a little about it
[05:10] <cfhowlett> !details|sam113101,
[05:10] <bean> MacFan, and on a PPC mac? I'd recommend a better supported PPC distro than ubuntu tbh
[05:10] <sam113101> obviously I have other issues, but that's the most important one
[05:11] <Ari-Yang> MacFan: ah I see
[05:11] <sam113101> cfhowlett: what kind of details?
[05:11] <ObrienDave> pebcak ;)
[05:11] <cfhowlett> sam113101, read
[05:11] <cfhowlett> !details
[05:11] <irrelev4nt> cfhowlett: but all of them disable SecureBoot which I can't for my reasons ...
[05:11] <sam113101> I'm running ubuntu 13.10
[05:11] <MacFan> bean, I looked up debian ppc, and can't find an iso to download, online there are many complaints about yellowdog, so ubuntu was my only other choice
[05:11] <sam113101> I expect videos to play at normal speed, and have sound
[05:11] <Ari-Yang> sam113101: what video player are you using?
[05:12] <Ari-Yang> sam113101: is this a laptop or desktop? what video card does it have?
[05:12] <MacFan> also want to thank you guys for the advice and trying to help out, your great.
[05:12] <sam113101> Ari-Yang: totem and youtube
[05:12] <cfhowlett> irrelev4nt, ah.  ok.  if there's a guide on the !touch page, I'd run with that.  if not, I'd suggest this might not be doable as yet.
[05:12] <topper4125> sam113101 local videos? Youtube? HardDrive? Optical Drive?? Details.
[05:12] <sam113101> happens on both
[05:12] <kaitrek> i have a problem, my NFS mount is showing 65534 user and group ID, why?
[05:12] <Ari-Yang> sam113101: lol totem use mplayer or better yet mpv
[05:12] <sam113101> also the sound is sped up on rhythmbox
[05:13] <irrelev4nt> cfhowlett: what's the !touch page? Sorry, I am new to IRC
[05:13] <Ari-Yang> sam113101: maybe you're missing codecs or something
[05:13] <cfhowlett> !touch|irrelev4nt,
[05:13] <irrelev4nt> thanks
[05:13] <sam113101> it's not a player problem
[05:13] <cfhowlett> sam113101, try this in  a terminal:  sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[05:13] <Ari-Yang> you may need to install something
[05:14] <cfhowlett> sam113101, without the codecs, your media could do exactly as you've described
[05:14] <ObrienDave> it worked before, it's not working after the upgrade. it couldn't possibly be a codec problem ;)
[05:15] <sam113101> ObrienDave: I don't upgrade from the software updater, when I do it breaks everything
[05:15] <sam113101> so I reinstall everything
[05:15] <sam113101> every 6 months
[05:16] <cfhowlett> sam113101, unless you actually need the latest OS, I'd suggest you look at the LTS version; 5 year support
[05:17] <sam113101> brb, restarting my computer
[05:17] <ObrienDave> that'll fix it
[05:17] <sam113101> it's like rolling a dice
[05:17] <sam113101> you never know
[05:19] <sam113101> yay!
[05:19] <sam113101> one less issue
[05:19] <sam113101> thank you whoever it was
[05:19] <sam113101> ready for another issue?
[05:20] <ObrienDave> pebcak ;)
[05:21] <sam113101> I had some keyboard mappings with xmodmap
[05:21] <sam113101> they stopped working when I updated to 13.10
[05:21] <cheesecakes> hello
[05:21] <cheesecakes> good morning (UGT)
[05:21] <cheesecakes> can someone tell me what does ubuntu use for mounting mtp devices?
[05:22] <cheesecakes> i am suspecting gvfs-mtp but i'm not sure
[05:24] <sam113101> hoping to hear from you again, your dearest friend, sam113101
[05:25] <wilee-nilee> cheesecakes, which release, and why?
[05:25] <cheesecakes> wilee-nilee: the reason is kind of strange
[05:25] <cheesecakes> ok here it is
[05:26] <cheesecakes> it works perfectly with my cell phone and i want to implement the same functionality on my arch
[05:26] <Dr_Willis> cheesecakes:  i think its gvfs-mtp also. but mtp is sort of a work in progress it seems. ;) i rarely find it works for more then just simple copying
[05:26] <cheesecakes> Dr_Willis: i see
[05:26] <Dr_Willis> cheesecakes:  i rarely find or hear of it 'working perfectly' ;) and there was an omgubuntu/webupd8 blog posting or 2 on setting it up on older ubuntus
[05:26] <cheesecakes> but ubuntu has great support for my device atleast
[05:27] <Dr_Willis> those guides may have info for other disrtos
[05:27] <cheesecakes> i run 13.x
[05:27] <cheesecakes> it works great under ubuntu
[05:27] <Dr_Willis> 13.10  here.  i can mount my phone and copy/move files.. but for example video files will NOT play directly from the phone, or audio
[05:27] <Dr_Willis> all i can do is copy/move files
[05:27] <cheesecakes> Dr_Willis: oh i see
[05:27] <cheesecakes> let me try and copy/move files
[05:27] <Dr_Willis> i dont even get previews
[05:28] <Dr_Willis> I find it MUCH easier to just use airdroid on my android devices
[05:28] <cfhowlett> ^^^^
[05:28] <cfhowlett> what he said
[05:28] <cheesecakes> ok copy works
[05:28] <Dr_Willis> airdroid is a must have even if you use MTP
[05:28] <Dr_Willis> cheesecakes:  where were you doing that you said it 'worked perfectly' ? ;)
[05:28] <cheesecakes> Dr_Willis: thanks, i was trying to play files and it wasnt working so i assumed the worst
[05:29] <cheesecakes> Dr_Willis: no no i can play stuff from my ubuntu install perfectly
[05:29] <Dr_Willis> cheesecakes:  playing files - dont work.  at all as far as i know. seen others ask it in here also
[05:29] <ObrienDave> MTP did not preserve file name for me. how about now?
[05:29] <cheesecakes> or maybe i havent tried it and assumed it works
[05:29] <cheesecakes> copy/move is all i need tho
[05:29] <Dr_Willis> of coruse if you want to play files.. set up a upnp/dlna server on the phone ;)
[05:29] <Dr_Willis> bbl
[05:30] <cheesecakes> awesome
[05:30] <Dr_Willis> airdroid  lets you send sms and other things to the phone from the pc ;
[05:30] <cheesecakes> Dr_Willis: thanks, if it werent for you i wouldn't have tried to cp, i was stuck at cat
[05:30] <cheesecakes> Dr_Willis: i have it installed, i also have webkey
[05:30] <cheesecakes> which is more awesome
[05:30] <cheesecakes> imo
[05:30] <Dr_Willis> Ive not used webkey in ages.
[05:31] <Dr_Willis> my current phone is not rooted ;)
[05:31] <cheesecakes> ahh i see
[05:31] <Dr_Willis> and every update to my tablet keeps unrooting it. :P
[05:31] <Dr_Willis> silly tablet
[05:31] <cheesecakes> Dr_Willis: get off your lazy ass and root it
[05:31] <cheesecakes> :P
[05:31] <Dr_Willis> there was some bug in the one-click-unrooter i was using the other week. not tried it lately
[05:31] <Dr_Willis> and not even really needing root on it ;)
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> well bbl..
[05:32] <cheesecakes> what device do you use?
[05:32] <cheesecakes> ok ok
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> nexus 7 ;)
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> and no im not putting touch on it. :)
[05:32] <cheesecakes> ahh i use a sony xperia L
[05:32] <cheesecakes> haha
[05:34] <topper4125> <-- changes ring tone on Nexus 7 to "Can't touch this"
[05:36] <cheesecakes> if i had a nexus 7 it would def be running ubuntu
[05:36] <cheesecakes> :D
[05:36] <zato> hola,como dejo libre office en español en ubuntu 13.10?
[05:36] <topper4125> !es
[05:40] <Kuroshita> hey all, I'm just wodering if there have been any reports/studies done to show that Ubuntu doesn't "phone home" when you do dash searches AFTER the smart scopes are disabled?
[05:40] <andry> wireshark it :P
[05:41] <topper4125> I always install from : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD then build it to taste... I know exactly what my machine does and when
[05:42] <Kuroshita> Thanks andry, good thinking, brain is frazzled today
[05:42] <andry> :)
[05:43] <delhivery> Hi, one of my usb ports on all my eeePCs don't work, how can I resolve this/
[05:44] <Dr_Willis> delhivery:  what specifc make?
[05:44] <Dr_Willis> both mine seem to nbe working here
[05:44] <delhivery> Dr_Willis: 1015e
[05:45] <Dr_Willis> yep. both ports work.  on  1001pxd here
[05:45] <Dr_Willis> using 13.10 ;)
[05:46] <topper4125> eee's only have 2?
[05:53] <delhivery> topper4125: mine have 3, one usb2 and the usb3 works, the second usb2 doesn't
[05:54] <topper4125> ah... Im on an aspire one netbook 3 on this machine too. all work on it.
[05:56] <bray90820> How well does the ubuntu desktop work with a touch screen
[05:56] <topper4125> but I also don't run 13.10, I'm running Mini LTS on this one.
[05:57] <xor__> Has anyone noticed image tearing watching videos with ubuntu Gnome 13.10?
[05:57] <andry> xor__, intel graphic?
[05:57] <xor__> andry, no, nvidia.
[05:58] <xor__> I tried changing the settings in /etc/environment like I did for the previous version with little success.
[05:58] <andry> intel has the tear-free option, maybe nvidia has this too
[05:58] <andry> (for X)
[05:58] <xor__> I say little because the tearing decreased, but it's still there. I didn't have this problem with 13.4.
[05:58] <andry> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1687207 see this
[05:59] <xor__> I'll look up that option. thanks andry.
[05:59] <zeifer> I guess Ari isn't here now. Bummer, I was going to let them know that Big Picture works alright. Still having audio issues, though.
[05:59] <andry> :)
[06:00] <xor__> The forum link isn't relevant, Ubuntu Gnome uses mutter not compiz.
[06:02] <andry> oops sorry, it is pretty old, sorry
[06:03] <andry> are you using nvidia or nouveau as driver?
[06:05] <xor__> andry, proprietary driver. I think I found the problem: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=669122
[06:05] <tomlikestorock> I have two hard drives in my system - the first is ubuntu, the second is win8. I boot off of the first one, and use grub to get to win8 when I want to. Lately, though, I've found that win8 has been unable to boot due to weird self checking boot record stuff
[06:05] <tomlikestorock> Is it best to have win8 on the first drive and ubuntu on the second?
[06:05] <xor__> It doesn't seem to be fixed yet, even though this didn't happen to me on a previous version.
[06:05] <ssj5goku> i cant get any audio on ubuntu... my speaker is connected to my monitor and my monitor is connected to my cpu through hdmi ...wat should i do ...pls help..
[06:05] <xor__> On version 3.8 it doesn't seem to be fixed.
[06:07] <zeifer> I'm seeking similar answers, ssj5goku
[06:07] <zeifer> Not much luck so far.
[06:07] <ssj5goku> wouldn't installing any type of drivers could help??
[06:07] <zeifer> Hey Ari-Yang! I can report that Big Picture is working on Steam. It's a bit jumpy at times, but it functions.
[06:08] <andry> okay xor__ , i thought you may try xorg-edgers for a newer nouveau driver, but then i cannot help :/
[06:08] <zeifer> We've already tried running audio without pulseaudio installed and ran into a barrier. Ended up reinstalling pulse, ssj5goku. Experiment for me and see if you can get audio through a headphone port.
[06:09] <ssj5goku> ok den i will connect my speakers to the output of my motherboard and see if it works,zeifer...
[06:10] <xor__> andry, reports on the bug maillist point to an even worse situation using the nouveau driver.
[06:10] <andry> yea just read it :D
[06:11] <andry> i switched to intel graphics to get rid of all these nvidia/fglrx problems in linux
[06:11] <ola2> i want to apt get to specific directory
[06:11] <ola2> how could i plz help
[06:12] <bigbadben> I am trying to grep a log file, find what I am looking for then skip one line and print the one after that,  so I .... cat logfile.txt | grep -A 2 -B 1 "wlan0" >> newLogFile
[06:12] <bigbadben> obviously that does not work though
[06:12] <xor__> andry, I don't plan to do the same.
[06:13] <andry> hehe, yes, it is not an alternative
[06:13] <xor__> Thanks for the help.
[06:13] <andry> sorry i couldnt help
[06:13] <ola2> plz tell me how to apt-get to particular directory
[06:13] <ssj5goku> yaa it worked when i connected y speakers on my motherboard
[06:14] <zeifer> Seems you have the same issue that I do. I'm on a laptop and it only outputs to headphones and not onboard speakers. Can't seem to find anybody around to help solve this issue.
[06:15] <Ari-Yang> [02:07:56] <zeifer> Hey Ari-Yang! I can report that Big Picture is working on Steam. It's a bit jumpy at times, but it functions. ---> ah that's good. I heard that there's even better performance on 3.12 rc-5, if you want you can install it or just wait 'til it's stable
[06:17] <zeifer> Ari-Yang, stable is good. :) Just trying to nail down this sound problem now.
[06:17] <andry> dont you have to toggle to hdmi output?
[06:17] <ola2> plz can anybody help
[06:17] <ola2> i want to get apt to specific directory
[06:17] <andry> ola2, i dont know what you mean
[06:17] <ola2> means to download packages to specific directory
[06:18] <andry> apt-get download package
[06:18] <andry> this downloads the deb
[06:18] <ola2> i want it to specific directory
[06:18] <andry> just cd in the directory first :P
[06:19] <zeifer> ola2, Are you looking to transport these packages from one computer to another for the purpose of offline installation?
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> thats too logical
[06:19] <ola2>  but they are installed in var all the time
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> ;)
[06:19] <ola2> means in var apt
[06:20] <ola2> every time they are downloaded in apt
[06:20] <andry> "apt-get download bla" downloads the deb to the cd
[06:20] <andry> and does not install
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> i think you are using  the terms 'download' and 'install' incorrectly
[06:20] <apb_> I just installed a package with apt-get install...but it doesn't show up on my K menu...  Is there a way to make it show up, ideally without having to logout?
[06:20] <HisaoNakai> What's a good terminal for writing in Hindi using iBus? o.o
[06:20] <andry> or use "apt-get -d -o=dir::cache=/cache/path"
[06:21] <ola2> ok
[06:21] <HisaoNakai> (xfce-terminal and gnome-terminal both behave strangely with Hindi characters, although it does work)
[06:21] <ola2> this one has worked
[06:21] <ola2> thank you
[06:21] <andry> :)
[06:21] <ola2> thanks a lot
[06:22] <ola2> one more thing
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> apt-get download pastebinit
[06:22] <ola2> i have a package
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> downloaded the pastebinit.deb to my home directory
[06:22] <ola2> and i want to test it again with different configs
[06:22] <ola2> how to uninstall that deb
[06:22] <ola2> how to uninstall a package
[06:22] <zeifer> Not sure who all is actively online right now so I'll ask my question again.
[06:23] <andry> dpkg -r bla (where bla is NOT the filename, but the package name) or apt-get remove bla
[06:23] <zeifer> I have a Compaq Presario CQ62 that produces sound through the headset port and not out of the onboard speakers. All settings look good, pulseaudio registers the sound being played but audio does not come from speakers. No headset is plugged in.
[06:23] <andry> zeifer, there are a lot of audio experts here sometimes :)
[06:24] <zeifer> andry, I just choose bad times to ask some questions. Lol
[06:25] <chxane> how do I upgrade from 13.04 to 13.10 from the command line?
[06:25] <Dr_Willis> sudo gdebi foo.deb    is what i use ola2
[06:25] <bscrew> how can i do a fresh install instead of upgrading? without downloading an iso and all that shit
[06:25] <ola2> ok
[06:25] <ola2> thank you
[06:25] <zeifer> Ari was awesome with the video problem I had with legacy drivers. The sound problem is a bit less of an issue if I always use a headset, but I rarely use a headset so.... yeah.
[06:25] <Dr_Willis> a 'fresh' install- to me means you refromat the partions.. and thus would need either a boot medium. or use debootstrap
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> downloading the iso files for 13.10 via torrents should be quite quick right now
[06:26] <topper4125> HisaoNakai: terminal 'mlterm' supports hindi rendering.
[06:26] <braden_> 13.10 torrent takes about 5 mins to download
[06:26] <zeifer> braden_, I envy you and your connection, then. :p
[06:26] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: wish I could help with the sound problem :L But glad to hear that video is fine.... I'd ask again here to see if anybody knows and google around
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> takes longer toburn then to download. ;)
[06:26] <andry> hehe :) yes, audio problems are hard to solve sometimes ..
[06:27] <topper4125> !minimal
[06:27] <topper4125> 30 Meg download...
[06:27] <andry> and then apt-get 500 more
[06:27] <andry> :D
[06:27] <zeifer> Google has been very unkind to me so far. Ari-Yang. I've been getting hits on articles and threads that are so far necro'd that dinosaurs look fresh.
[06:28] <Ari-Yang> :V
[06:28] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: so you have pulse installed now? did you make sure you install it right?
[06:28] <topper4125> One thing about this machine (that runs a mini install) 'tis very very stable
[06:28] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: tbh I think you should use alsa instead.... and you did uninstall and remove pulse before installing alsa properly, aye?
[06:29] <zeifer> It's back to factory now, Ari-Yang. Pulse was installed by default so the packages we removed experimentally were just put back on.
[06:29] <Ari-Yang> k
[06:30] <apb_> zeifer use google's time option to specify a time range.
[06:31] <niftylettuce> anyone here use APM 2.5 or HobbyKing boards/telemetry stuff?  wild shot at trying to answer a question i have... no other channels yield folks
[06:31] <andry> any recommendations for a well working wifi chipset? :P
[06:31] <andry> rt3070 (via 2870usb) has a lot of tx drops since linux > 3.3
[06:32] <braden_> Anyone here trying out xubuntu? I have a question and #xubuntu is dead atm
[06:33] <Ari-Yang> !ask > braden_
[06:33] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: if your video card supports UVD2.2, you could also watch videos with hardware video decoding, what HD4000 series card do you have again?
[06:34] <zeifer> HD 4250, Ari-Yang
[06:34] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: ah nvm... it is UVD2 which is not yet supported
[06:35] <zeifer> That's okay, I usually use VLC for everything, seems to work okay.
[06:35] <chare> ok I got ubuntu Saucy installed, wtf is that envelope icon at the top right?
[06:35] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: I recommend mplayer or any mplayer fork over VLC, but that's me
[06:35] <chare> how do I get rid of it
[06:35] <Ari-Yang> if VLC works fine for you, that's okay
[06:36] <zeifer> I'm most familiar with it since it's been my player of choice even on Windows.
[06:36] <k1l> chare: its for messages, like chat-status, new mails etc
[06:36] <smash__> hello everyone, I have a broadcome wireless card, I need to set the propriatery drivers but i dont know how
[06:36] <k1l> chare: and its not new since 13.10. its been in ubuntu a long time
[06:37] <Ari-Yang> smash__: what ubuntu version are you running?
[06:37] <apb_> i've been  using amarok for listening to radio, etc.
[06:37] <smash__> I downloaded Ubuntu last night, 13.10
[06:37] <braden_> Are NVIDIA drivers broken now with 13.10? I've tried a number of patches and nothing I'm doing is working.
[06:37] <Ari-Yang> smash__: go to system settings, search for 'software sources' (or go to dash board and search for software sources), then go to the 'Additional Drivers' tab and you should see proprietary drivers there
[06:37] <chare> k1l: so how do I get rid of it
[06:38] <k1l> braden_: there is no general problem with nvidia. please give more details
[06:38] <smash__> thx
[06:38] <Ari-Yang> np
[06:39] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: you're using xfce right? did you try to see if audio is fine on another DE?
[06:39] <zeifer> Aside from using Linux Mint prior to moving over to Xubuntu, no I haven't, Ari-Yang .
[06:39] <Ari-Yang> ah, okay
[06:39] <zeifer> The issue was present even on that distro but not on Windows.
[06:40] <Ari-Yang> odd
[06:40] <zeifer> Just really, really, REALLY, don't wanna go back to Windows on here.
[06:40] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: so audio won't come out of your laptop's speakers?
[06:40] <zeifer> Correct.
[06:40] <zeifer> Just the headphone port.
[06:40] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: what laptop is this?
[06:41] <zeifer> Compaq Presario CQ62
[06:43] <ssj5goku> Was trying to updae ubuntu frim 13.04 to 13.10 and my system got hanged and is still anand I am nit able to move my mouse pointer ...... it had already downloaded 240.4 mb and the totam download ws 271.4mb.... what to do????
[06:43] <ssj5goku> *update
[06:43] <ssj5goku> *from
[06:43] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: maybe try this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1741256 ?
[06:43] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: though before trying maybe you should go back to alsa?
[06:44] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: what's the output of sudo aplay -l ?
[06:44] <Ari-Yang> pastebin it
[06:44] <zeifer> Ari-Yang, Pulseaudio was installed by default and removing pulse only lead to so many different configs having references to pulseaudio.
[06:44] <zeifer> sec on command.
[06:44] <ola2> plz help me
[06:45] <ola2> i have downloaded a deb package
[06:45] <ola2> i installed it
[06:45] <ola2> but  dependencies are not installed
[06:45] <ola2> how to do that
[06:45] <Ari-Yang> ola2: what deb package did you install?
[06:45] <zeifer> Home directory not accessible: Permission denied
[06:46] <zeifer> card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: ALC270 Analog [ALC270 Analog]
[06:46] <zeifer>   Subdevices: 1/1
[06:46] <zeifer>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[06:46] <zeifer>  Ari-Yang
[06:46] <FloodBot1> zeifer: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:46] <andry>
[06:46] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: run the command using sudo and pastebin it
[06:46] <ola2> sir plz help me
[06:46] <zeifer> That was sudo'd
[06:46] <ola2> how to apt-get download with dependency
[06:47] <Ari-Yang> oh
[06:47] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: what's the output of find /lib/modules/`uname -r` | grep snd
[06:48] <Ari-Yang> pastebin it
[06:48] <jalcine> ola2: dude, apt-get *downloads* dependencies.
[06:48] <ola2>  but when i installed it
[06:48] <ola2> it said dependeny not installed
[06:48] <andry> jalcine, he means just download the files with apt-get download
[06:48] <andry> the debs
[06:48] <ola2> ya but with dependencies
[06:48] <ola2> i want to give this package to my friend
[06:49] <Ari-Yang> ola2: copy and paste the terminal output in pastebin
[06:49] <andry> ola2, try "aptitude --download-only" instead of apt-get download, maybe aptitude downloads with depends
[06:49] <ola2> i want dependencies to be downloaded with deb
[06:50] <ola2> and then when i install they should install automatically
[06:51] <andry> that is why apt or aptitude exists
[06:51] <andry> what do you plan to do?
[06:51] <ola2> i will download a p[ackage
[06:51] <zeifer> Ari-Yang, big long list. http://pastebin.com/DUWMCy7N
[06:51] <ola2> and give it to my friend
[06:51] <ola2> so my friend will not download
[06:51] <ola2> just install and done
[06:52] <ola2> but dependencies are problem
[06:52] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: what's the output of lspci -v | grep -A7 -i "audio" ?
[06:52] <zeifer> ola2, consider, maybe, aptoncd to copy all of your packages (if you use the same ones) to a CD that can be used as an offline repo?
[06:53] <ola2> aptoncd ??
[06:53] <ola2> ok let me try it
[06:53] <andry> ,
[06:53] <ola2> thank you for help
[06:53] <andry> http://www.maketecheasier.com/update-upgrade-ubuntu-without-internet-connection/
[06:53] <andry> apt-offline is made for this
[06:54] <zeifer> Ari-Yang, http://pastebin.com/7nmDEGyA
[06:54] <zeifer> andry, Okay, if that's better than aptoncd I didn't know about it. Last I used ubuntu was back in the Hoary days or so. It's been a while.
[06:55] <andry> :) i never used aptoncd, maybe it is even better
[06:55] <ola2> does apt-get offline need to be installed on remotr pc too
[06:55] <ansu> hi :) can anyone help me with an upstart script? I'm trying to run a java process as another user like this: exec start-stop-daemon --start -c youtrack --exec java -- -jar /usr/local/youtrack/youtrack.jar 10002 but the process does not start
[06:56] <dwreck> So I just installed Ubuntu after having issues with Fedora and the I am having the same problem.  I can't access certain secure websites.  Gmail, facebook. Amazon, etc... Has anyone ever experienced this before?
[06:57] <somsip> dwreck: do you connect through a proxy? Because I think all of those sites work on https by default now
[06:57] <Dr_Willis> dwreck:  cant say ive ever seen  that issue mentoioned here.
[06:57] <thnee> I am using a different desktop, awesome wm. When I run nautitlus it changes the desktop background. Why on earth would it do that?
[06:58] <somsip> thnee: does it change the nautulus background, or the awesome background?
[06:58] <Dr_Willis> thnee:  because natilus is designed to manage the 'desktop' unless you start it with some specific options to tell it not to
[06:58] <thnee> somsip: The desktop background
[06:58] <Dr_Willis> see nautilus --help     perhaps
[06:58] <helmut_> hi
[06:58] <thnee> ugh, maybe I should just switch file browser instead
[06:59] <somsip> thnee: pcmanfm in awesomewm here...
[06:59] <Dr_Willis> --no-desktop                Never manage the desktop (ignore the GSetting)
[06:59] <Dr_Willis> other file managers can do the same thing. ;)
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> use mc   ;)
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> !info mc
[07:00] <thnee> somsip: looks great, thanks!
[07:00] <somsip> thnee: it's lightweight, but it isn't the only alternative to nautilus. Works for me though
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> !info rox-filer
[07:00] <zeifer> Great for the minimalists. :)
[07:01] <Snowie> hi all.
[07:01] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: I think you should uninstall pulseaudio and install alsa
[07:01] <zeifer> Alsa is still installed and is needed for pulse to work.
[07:01] <Ari-Yang> no
[07:01] <Ari-Yang> you're still using pulseaudio
[07:01] <andry> alsa is the kernel side audio
[07:01] <andry> pulse uses alsa
[07:01] <zeifer> Unfortunately, with the factory installed nature of pulseaudio in this distro, if pulse is missing alsa won't work. :(
[07:01] <Ari-Yang> I prefer you to remove pulseaudio and just have alsa
[07:01] <zykotick9> thnee: fyi, you can launch nautilus without it taking over your desktop, but rox or pcmanfm are better suggestions really ;)
[07:02]  * andry must try rox
[07:02] <Ari-Yang> isn't there a trigger for directions of uninstalling pulseaudio?
[07:02] <ola2> i dont want aptoncd
[07:02] <ola2> plz tell me a better way
[07:02] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1693726 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1313253 I found these
[07:02] <Ari-Yang> I'm sure there are other guides too
[07:02] <gordonjcp> ola2: what are you trying to do?
[07:02] <zeifer> Ari-Yang, we tried removing pulse and alsa just stopped. It constantly tried to push through pulse even when it wasn't there. I don't know how many conf files reference pulseaudio.
[07:02] <ansu> can anyone help me with this expression I'm trying to use in an upstart script? "exec start-stop-daemon --start -c youtrack --exec java -- -jar /usr/local/youtrack/youtrack.jar 10002"
[07:02] <ola2> i want to give a deb package to my friend
[07:03] <ola2> its name is nmap
[07:03] <ola2> and i will give this package with dependency
[07:03] <ola2> how to do it
[07:03] <ola2> i downloaded nmap
[07:03] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: when removing pulseaudio you have to uninstall alsa too I think, take a look at those instructions
[07:03] <Ari-Yang> it's worth a shot
[07:03] <ola2> but couldnot install it
[07:03] <ola2> dependency not found
[07:03] <zeifer> Ari-Yang, alright, I'll take a peek.
[07:03] <ola2> i used apt-get download nmap
[07:04] <ola2> and then install nmap.deb
[07:04] <Ari-Yang> thnee: I had this problem of a fake nautilus window opening when I clicked on "open file location" in deluge....
[07:04] <Ari-Yang> thnee: I prevented by doing a little "hack"
[07:05] <andry> ola2, you can just download the deb packages for nmap PLUS libblas3 liblinear-tools liblinear1
[07:05] <zeifer> Ari-Yang, in the first link, do you think instructions from 10.10 will still be useful in 13.04?
[07:05] <andry> -s
[07:05] <ola2> ok so i should
[07:05] <zeifer> And 2nd link is 9.10
[07:05] <ola2> apt-get download nmap -S ...
[07:05] <ola2> ike this
[07:05] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: most likely, if you feel uncomfortable search for recent directions, like for 12.04 or 12.10
[07:06] <Ari-Yang> I could've sworn there was an ubottu trigger that linked to removing pulseaudio...
[07:07] <andry> did you try http://itsfoss.com/fix-sound-ubuntu-1304-quick-tip/
[07:07] <andry> zeifer,
[07:09] <papul> hi. I have a dell vostro 2520 laptop that uses the cirrus logic cs4213 audio. I have been unable to make the internal mic work. Any ideas?
[07:09] <zeifer> Andry, haven't seen that, but it's worth a quick shot before I start removing and replacing packages again.
[07:09] <Ari-Yang> thnee: sudo mv /usr/bin/nautilus /usr/bin/nautilus.real then open up a text editor and type this out on 2 different lines #!/bin/sh exec /usr/bin/nautilus.real --no-desktop save it in /usr/bin as nautilus then run chmod +x nautilus after cd /usr/bin in terminal
[07:10] <andry> it is a very basic and simple try .. dont think it will work :/ but yes, give it a try :)
[07:10] <Guest_______> hey wincocks
[07:10] <Ari-Yang> thnee: http://paste.opensuse.org/view/raw/48731498 it would look like that
[07:11] <Guest_______> how to enable and use PBR Routing on windows 8 enterprise?
[07:11] <thnee> Ari-Yang: thanks ^^
[07:11] <Ari-Yang> thnee: you're welcome, let me know if it worked or not
[07:11] <Guest_______> hey wincocks
[07:11] <Guest_______> how to enable and use PBR Routing on windows 8 enterprise?
[07:11] <thnee> Ari-Yang: I'm gonna try to use some other program entirely ;)
[07:12] <thnee> nautilus is so slow anyway
[07:12] <Ari-Yang> thnee: okies
[07:12] <jboii> hi
[07:12] <k1l> Guest_______: wrong channel and wrong attitude
[07:12] <Guest_______> are you here wincocks?
[07:12] <bray90820> Is the ubuntu desktop for the nexus 7 still around?
[07:12] <Guest_______> how to enable and use PBR Routing on windows 8 enterprise?
[07:13] <jboii> i need an app that can check wich files that is missing to make system best possible
[07:13] <andry> thank you
[07:13] <andry> k1l
[07:13] <andry> where is wincocks :P
[07:14] <Ari-Yang> thnee: I know thunar is suppose to be light weight
[07:14] <dwreck> So I just installed Ubuntu after having issues with Fedora and the I am having the same problem.  I can't access certain secure websites.  Gmail, facebook. Amazon, etc... Has anyone ever experienced this before?
[07:14] <thnee> Ari-Yang: yeah thunar is nice, but it lacks features just like nautilus I want the power user stuff
[07:15] <Ari-Yang> thnee: what does it lack? and what file manager are you going to install?
[07:15] <k1l> dwreck: are you using a proxy or some kind of firewall?
[07:16] <thnee> Ari-Yang: settings settings settings ;) I'm not sure yet I will try different ones
[07:16] <k1l> dwreck: there is no general problem with accessing that pages
[07:16] <Ari-Yang> thnee: okay... good luck
[07:16] <Ari-Yang> I'm off
[07:16] <thnee> thanks bye
[07:16] <dwreck> I am not using a proxy and no firewall that I know of
[07:16] <wilee-nilee> dwreck, You have flash installed some of the gui uses it.
[07:17] <dwreck> flash is installed
[07:17] <somsip> dwreck: what browser?
[07:17] <Romance> does anyone use flashgot + uget here?
[07:17] <dwreck> firefox currently.  I have used chrome as well with the same issue
[07:18] <somsip> dwreck: at home or work? Direct connection or router? Can others on the same network access https ok?
[07:19] <Mrdarknezz> How do you know if ubuntu is NSA proof?
[07:20] <hexabit_m> Read sourcecode?
[07:21] <topper4125> Mrdarknezz install minimal install, and build it to taste with all the security you desire
[07:21] <topper4125> !mini
[07:21] <andry> then install mini and 200 depends ..
[07:21] <andry> unity*
[07:21] <Mrdarknezz> So there is no way to be sure?
[07:22] <somsip> Mrdarknezz: read the source code.
[07:22] <topper4125> Source code is available, download, read it, if you like it compile it...
[07:23] <topper4125> The real trick is trusting the security of your router ;)
[07:23] <k1l> Mrdarknezz: the advantage of opensource is that you could prove it yourself if you dont belivie in others
[07:24] <topper4125> And if you want to remove any and all doubt of system security, there is always LFS
[07:24] <Fallfeathers> This a good channel to ask about iptables in?
[07:24] <andry> Fallfeathers, just ask
[07:24] <bazhang> Fallfeathers, or #netfilter
[07:24] <topper4125> !ask
[07:25] <Fallfeathers> Okay okay.
[07:25] <Mrdarknezz> Fallfeathers: that is pretty much a universal rule for most irc channels
[07:25] <Mrdarknezz> Fallfeathers: Atleast the public ones
[07:25] <Romance> is it possible to write Kali Linux iso with startup disk creator?
[07:26] <somsip> !kali | Romance
[07:26] <k1l> Romance: kali is not based on ubuntu. better try unetbootin
[07:27] <Romance> somsip, startup disk creator is ubuntu preinstalled app
[07:27] <somsip> Romance: is this anything to do with Kali?
[07:27] <topper4125> Pretty much use unetbootin for all my needs of that sort
[07:27] <Romance> so the question is, is startup disc creator can ONLY write ubuntu iso?
[07:27] <somsip> Romance: fair enough
[07:27] <vagvaf> hello guys, i did a fresh install of ubuntu 13.10 while keeping my old /home partition. the new system keeps asking me for my username keyring password and won't accept the one i'm giving it (i know it's the correct)
[07:30] <Fallfeathers> So I'm in a class where we're setting up virtual networks across three Ubuntu VMs in terminals, and right now I'm trying to write iptables rules for forwarding SSH traffic through one VM acting as a packet filter to another VM acting as a bastion host. The requirement is also that source IP of the connecting host should not be visible to the bastion, and vice versa. What params should I be using here?
[07:31] <zeifer> Ari-Yang, following the 10.10 guide for removing pulse and going with alsa nowadays pulls in pulseaudio regardless of user request.
[07:32] <zeifer> Reading state information... Done Note, selecting 'pulseaudio-esound-compat' instead of 'esound'
[07:33] <staff9> hi
[07:34] <staff9> do you have a ubuntu
[07:34] <this> yes live
[07:35] <staff9> yep
[07:35] <staff9> how are you
[07:36] <this> f and y
[07:36] <staff9> I am ok
[07:37] <this> have you  experience for ununtu
[07:37] <somsip> staff9: if you just want to chat, please go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:37] <k1l> !details | this
[07:37] <staff9> ar I do not no sorry
[07:38] <staff9> why do we have xChat
[07:38] <staff9> so we can chat
[07:38] <staff9> but why
[07:39] <staff9> so it is fun ha
[07:39] <somsip> staff9: enough now.
[07:39] <staff9> '
[07:39] <k1l> !ot | staff9
[07:39] <bazhang> staff9, not in this channel
[07:39] <staff9> what
[07:39] <staff9> s
[07:39] <staff9> s
[07:39] <staff9> s
[07:39] <FloodBot1> staff9: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[07:41] <atari2600a> Anyone else stuck with sluggy graphics on older intel integrated gfx?
[07:41] <atari2600a> *in 3.10
[07:42] <Mrdarknezz> atari2600a: why would you use integrated gfx?
[07:43] <atari2600a> Mrdarknezz, because this is a chromebook
[07:43] <atari2600a> & integrated is now & forever more 'good enough' to run pretty much anything w/ a little tweaking
[07:43] <k1l> atari2600a: what exactly is the issue?
[07:43] <XATRIX> Hi guys, who can i upgrade to new ubuntu version ?
[07:43] <Jonathan____> can someone help me with a boot loader issue
[07:44] <k1l> !upgrade | XATRIX
[07:44] <ADP4U> I dunno, who?
[07:44] <Rory> Jonathan____: What issue?
[07:44] <XATRIX> ok
[07:44] <XATRIX> thanks
[07:45] <atari2600a> compiz is eating like 70-100% of one of my cores, compositing is highly sluggish, & I can't even use the official intel binary installer because it hardlinks a glib dependancy that doesn't exist in the new repos
[07:45] <Jonathan____> I purchased a computer with windows 8, I installed Kubuntu 12.10 so that I could have a dual boot, when I reboot, it doesnt give me the option of which os I want to load
[07:45] <k1l> atari2600a: for integrated intel there shouldnt be the need of installing manually
[07:46] <atari2600a> k1l, I'm assuming it's a gallium3d vs official source thing
[07:46] <atari2600a> what w/ the new Mir compatibility & all
[07:47] <atari2600a> seriously what the hell were you guys thinking
[07:47] <k1l> atari2600a: ?
[07:47] <Rory> Jonathan____: Any reason you chose 12.10 rather than 12.04 or 13.10?
[07:47] <k1l> atari2600a: are you here for ranting only?
[07:47] <atari2600a> HEY LET'S DO WAYLAND nah wayland blows lets do Mir instead it won't fragment anything derp
[07:47] <Rory> atari2600a: Bye
[07:48] <atari2600a> I wasn't here for ranting
[07:48] <Jonathan____> no
[07:48] <k1l> !guidelines | atari2600a
[07:48] <Rory> Jonathan____: I'd perhaps recommend using the latest version (13.10 which was released yesterday) or the latest Long-Term Support version 12.04
[07:48] <nova_> Can anyone tell me how to increase the size of icons for "Window Buttons" on the xfce panel beyond 32px?
[07:49] <Grub> Hello Everyone, I've installed ubuntu 19 times so far. I'get the error attempt to read of write outside of disk hd0 message and then grub rescue. Ther is no HDD-s connected to my PC just the 16GB pendrive. I put boot loadet once on sda once sda1 once auto install and neither worked. before everything went fine even with HDD-s connected.
[07:49] <Jonathan____> ok i will try that
[07:49] <Rory> Jonathan____: Just cos 12.10 stops getting updates in April
[07:50] <Rory> Jonathan____: Plus, 13.10 is shinier
[07:50] <Jonathan____> but what if that doesnt work then what
[07:50] <Rory> Jonathan____: Then ask here
[07:50] <Rory> I mean, I can help you anyway
[07:50] <Grub> Hello Everyone, I've installed ubuntu 19 times so far. I'get the error attempt to read of write outside of disk hd0 message and then grub rescue. Ther is no HDD-s connected to my PC just the 16GB pendrive. I put boot loadet once on sda once sda1 once auto install and neither worked. before everything went fine even with HDD-s connected.
[07:50] <Rory> But I'm just giving you a geneal recommendation
[07:50] <Jonathan____> ok thanks
[07:50] <christopher4125> nova_ I believe the panel icon button size is limited to the size of the panel itself... incease it to >32px, and icons can increase
[07:51] <Rory> Grub: What Ubuntu version, does your system have a make and model?
[07:51] <Grub> rory: 13.04
[07:52] <Grub> Asrock motherboard Intel P4 CPU
[07:53] <Grub> rory P4i65G motherboard
[07:53] <Rory> Grub: OK it's possibly a problem with your installation media, did you use a DVD? A USb flash drive, or what?
[07:53] <this> hi everyone.....!
[07:53] <Grub> rory: yes
[07:53] <Grub> DVD
[07:54] <nova_> The icons do increase in size with the panel, but only up to some max limit, which appears to be 32 px
[07:54] <topper4125> Your just trying to run it off the pendrive?
[07:54] <Rory> Grub: I recommend checking the md5sum of your .iso file before burning, and using the integrity check from the first menu when you boot from the DVD
[07:54] <Rory> !md5| Grub
[07:55] <jboii> someone link me to a page i can find apps i should get
[07:55] <jboii> cool shit
[07:55] <Grub> I've done with this iso more than 10 times and worked.
[07:55] <k1l> !language | jboii
[07:56] <poizen> i seriously need some help
[07:56] <nova_> christopher4125: The icons do increase in size but only up to a max of 32 px, beyond that they don't increase in size
[07:57] <poizen> my pointer is working but it is invisible.. i've upgraded to 13.10 and i am facing this problem
[07:57] <christopher4125> nova_ hmmm ya... looks like there's a few people that have said mentioned this limit... I never knew about it till just now... :(
[07:58] <nova_> christopher4125:  I googled it for a while and it seems alot of people are having problems changing it...yeah theres supposed to be a value you can add to the settings editor thing
[07:58] <poizen> what about me? :( my pointer... help me please
[07:59] <christopher4125> hmm... lemme look nova_ I'll see if I can find anything...
[07:59] <nova_> christopher4125: It's rather annoying.  At 1080p 32 px is pretty tiny
[07:59] <nova_> christopher4125: thank you
[07:59] <poizen> nova_, can you help me please?
[08:00] <nova_> poizen: i dont know how much help i can be...can you try changing your cursor theme?
[08:00] <poizen> there is no available theme :/
[08:01] <hadifarnoud> how can I remove all files and folders except one folder? SFTP is way too slow for that and rm -Rf removes all
[08:01] <nova_> poizen: no themes other than default?
[08:01] <andry> ls * | grep -v skipme | xargs rm -rf
[08:01] <andry> @ hadifarnoud
[08:01] <poizen> nova_, no, there are two.. radiance and default.
[08:02] <hadifarnoud> thanks andry
[08:02] <nova_> poizen: and with both you have no visible cursor?
[08:02] <andry> grep -v = inverted grep :)
[08:02] <poizen> nova_, no, my cursor is perfectly working.. but its INVISIBLE :(
[08:02] <poizen> ubuntu is so buggy at times.
[08:03] <andry> poizen, you may try this in terminal: sudo apt-get install unity-tweak-tool && unity-tweak-tool --reset-unity
[08:03] <poizen> ooaky, let me do that andry
[08:04] <nova_> poizen: yes i understand thats why i wondered if its theme/image related...did you see this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/1238410
[08:04] <christopher4125> nova_ do you mean just the icons on the panel itself or on the submenus (from say: applications)?
[08:05] <hadifarnoud> andry: doesn't remove directories and its contents
[08:06] <hadifarnoud> maybe I should use ls -R andry
[08:06] <nova_> christopher4125: I mean the icons that prepresent running programs in the "window buttons" plugin on the panel
[08:06] <andry> yes, or without xargs
[08:08] <nova_> christopher4125:  I'm attempting to recreat that "Unity" look with a vertical bar and icons only (no text) on the running programs.  The only part not falling in line is the icon scale
[08:09] <christopher4125> nova_ did you try http://askubuntu.com/questions/233200/how-to-increase-icon-size-of-xfce4-panel-window-buttons-panel-tasklist-menu
[08:09] <nova_> christopher4125:  The icons inside of the application launcher I was able to change, though that wasn't the effect I was after...let me check that URL one sec
[08:10] <poizen> andry, i tried it. but doesnt help. i changed the cursor too.. didnt change anything
[08:10] <poizen> nova_, I read that.  should i reboot?
[08:11] <nova_> christopher4125: yes I saw that post and I tried step 1 and step 3, however I do not appear to have a ~/.gtkrc-2.0
[08:11] <nova_> christopher4125: step 1 yielded no change
[08:12] <nova_> christopher4125: http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-panel/tasklist is the source of this value, but I'm wondering if this info is up to date.
[08:13] <zeifer> Okay, 9Millionth time back to IRC here. Same problem, sound does not emanate from onboard speakers, still works in the headphone jack. Steps taken from 10.10 and 9.04 yield no results or present missing dependencies. Attempting to go to straight Alsa pulls in pulseaudio like a plague. Suggestions welcome.
[08:13] <christopher4125> Here's my icons at around 127px just playing with panel height: http://s14.postimg.org/f6n3tdzk1/Screenshot_from_2013_10_18_02_10_46.png
[08:14] <christopher4125> is that what your trying to get?
[08:14] <nova_> christopher4125: wtf...hmm and is that faenza icons too?
[08:14] <christopher4125> Yup Faenza
[08:15] <nova_> christopher4125: yes thats what im after somewhat...except vertical
[08:15] <mital> hi can anybody point me to developer channel..  I tried #ubuntu-dev but it does not seem the correct room
[08:15] <mattwj2002> hi I have a dumb question.....
[08:16] <mattwj2002> when does support end for 13.04 now that 13.10 is out?  my coworker just installed 13.04 on his laptop yesterday before the release....should I have him upgrade during a fresh install of ubuntu?
[08:16] <mattwj2002> *doing a fresh install
[08:16] <christopher4125> so... this then: http://s22.postimg.org/bahwbvlg1/Screenshot_from_2013_10_18_02_15_43.png
[08:16] <zeifer> mattwj2002, 13.04 is an 'LTS' release
[08:17] <auronandace> zeifer: no it is not
[08:17] <Ben64> next LTS is 14.04
[08:17] <mattwj2002> yeah that is 12.04
[08:17] <mattwj2002> :)
[08:17] <mital> christopher4125, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
[08:17] <zeifer> Since when did *buntu drop making .04's into LTS releases?
[08:17] <nova_> christopher4125: yes exactly...I'm using  "deskbar" as opposed to vertical so text is horizontal
[08:17] <auronandace> zeifer: it has always been every 2 years
[08:18] <Ben64> zeifer: its always been the same, every 2 years is lts
[08:18] <christopher4125> nova_ Lemme see if my icons change size in deskbar mode... They seem to act correctly in verticle...
[08:18] <christopher4125> brb
[08:18] <irrelev4nt> Did anyone here make ubuntu 13.10 boot with secure boot enabled?
[08:18] <nova_> christopher4125: did you get the icons from http://tiheum.deviantart.com/art/Faenza-Icons-173323228 like I did?
[08:19] <DenSaakalte> Guys, I just woke up, and I come to ask again: Upgrading to 13.10 broke direct rendering, any guesses as to what I should check? It's showing "Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.3, 128 bits)" instead of the Intel Graphics card. Any ideas?
[08:19] <zeifer> Well, it's a bummer, then that I went with 13.04 thinking it was an LTS.
[08:19] <mattwj2002> 14.04 isn't out until next April *cries*
[08:20] <zeifer> Still... I want my sound to come from onboard speakers. Wearing headphones on a laptop attached to a 1080p screen across the room isn't enjoyable for the others watching the movies.
[08:20] <nova_> christopher4125: I'm barking up the wrong tree..other icon sets behave the same, including default
[08:20] <christopher4125> nova_ installed through terminal via ppa
[08:21] <k1l> zeifer: see in alsamixer if its muted (big MM)
[08:21] <nova_> christopher4125:  Are you running xubuntu or did you install ubuntu and add xfce?
[08:21] <christopher4125> nova_ in deskbar mode they resize... from 21px upto 128
[08:22] <mattwj2002> I will talk to him....and explain the situation :)
[08:22] <christopher4125> ubuntu 12.04 LTS with XFCE on top
[08:22] <janisozaur> i have two machines: laptop, which i use right now, and desktop. i've an ssh connection from laptop to desktop with X enabled. is it possible to start an application on *desktop* and have it rendered on *desktop*? i don't need to see the window, i just want to start it. would it later be possible to have any control whatsoever over that app (gui) from laptop?
[08:22] <nova_> christopher4125: so strange, mine don't change.  the button continues to grow but the icon is floating centered in the button at 32 px
[08:22] <zeifer> k1l, Yep, been there numerous times. I've uninstalled pulse, uninstalled alsa, reinstalled alsa, ended up with Pulse again even though I didn't want it.
[08:22] <k1l> zeifer: why dont you want pulse? its working how its supposed to be in last times
[08:23] <andry> not for him :P
[08:23] <christopher4125> hmmm... weird
[08:23] <zeifer> k1l, It's not working as intended now. The past is irrelevant, the present is my curse. Lol
[08:23] <zeifer> If it's not pulse it's something else and we can't seem to identify it.
[08:23] <k1l> zeifer: so you want headphone and speakers simultaniously?
[08:24] <irrelev4nt> janisozaur: control later on can be accomplished with a vnc server running on your desktop
[08:24] <nova_> christopher4125: this is fresh install of Xubuntu 13.10, just put it on to try out a few hours ago.  Haven't even had the time to break anything yet.
[08:24] <zeifer> Nope, I want one or the other to work as it does in windows. You plug in a headset, audio stops on speakers. Unplug headset and sound resumes on speakers. Right now.... it's headset only no matter what 24/7 not intended hardware operation.
[08:25] <zetheroo> 13:10 ... wooohoooo! :D
[08:25] <k1l> zeifer: is that a known problem with your laptop model?
[08:25] <christopher4125> nova_ did you see this:http://askubuntu.com/questions/331399/change-xfce-panel-launcher-icon-size
[08:25] <zeifer> Not since Ubuntu 10.10 apparently. Other people with similar symptoms apparently have HDMI ports which I do not have.
[08:25] <k1l> zeifer: some manufactures dont care about acpi standards. so look up if its a known issue with that laptop and linux
[08:26] <nova_> christopher4125: yes but i think he may be suggesting the incorrect value.  I did experiment with that as well.
[08:27] <zeifer> k1l, acpi is power management mainly which is not related to my particular issue. Googling my issue turned up results 2 and 3 years old.
[08:28] <christopher4125> hmmm... weird... I'm fresh out of ideas then... on this machine it just autosizes to keep up with the panel size. the panel is limited to 128 px... but since I normally keep it at 24px, its not an issue for me (netbook user)
[08:28] <mattwj2002> anyone have a thumb drive I can brough?
[08:28] <nova_> christopher4125: I tried to use panel-tasklist-menu=64,64...perhaps there isn't supposed to be an = sign
[08:28] <mattwj2002> I am going to install 13.10
[08:29] <mattwj2002> :)
[08:29] <christopher4125> just a space no "="
[08:29] <nova_> christopher4125: did you see my question about how you installed xcfe?  I wondered if it was xubuntu or if it's ubuntu with xcfe installed
[08:29] <zeifer> If 13.10 would fix this blasted audio bug without breaking the work that went into fixing the video issues (blasted AMD dropping support on me) I might upgrade to it.
[08:29] <christopher4125> ..and might have to reboot for it to take changes.
[08:30] <zeifer> As it is, I just want my sound to work from speakers.
[08:30] <nova_> christopher4125: yeah ill give a reboot and see if that helped
[08:30] <christopher4125> not running xubuntu... just straight ubuntu 12.04 LTS with xfce on top of it
[08:31] <mattwj2002> did whoever find the dev channel?
[08:31] <nova_> christopher4125: ok so that's one way we differ then....do you have anything special set in xsettings/gtk/iconsizes in the settings editor?
[08:32] <nova_> christopher4125: default was empty for me
[08:33] <christopher4125> nova_ on my system icon sizes in empty
[08:33] <nova_> christopher4125: ill reboot...see what happens...ty for the advice is you're not here when i get back..brbiab
[08:33] <mattwj2002> the channel is #ubuntu-devel is not
[08:33] <mattwj2002> *if not
[08:36] <mattwj2002> burn baby burn! :)
[08:38] <mattwj2002> hi and bye all you people :)
[08:39] <zeifer> Speakers. Sound. Must. Work. Now. Please. *goes cross-eyed*
[08:39] <mattwj2002> hi zeifer
[08:39] <mattwj2002> unmuted?
[08:39] <zeifer> Hi mattwj2002
[08:39] <zeifer> Yes, they're unmuted.
[08:39] <mattwj2002> volume up?
[08:39] <mattwj2002> otherwise no idea
[08:39] <nova_> christopher4125: yeah no change after a reboot.  I tried "panel-tasklist-menu 64,64" and "panel-tasklist-menu 64" also
[08:39] <zeifer> Yep, volume maxxed.
[08:40] <andry> zeifer, what audio chip again?
[08:40] <mattwj2002> O.o
[08:40] <DenSaakalte> I'm still having problems with the broken graphic rendering after upgrading to Ubuntu 13.10...  I can't work like this...
[08:40] <mattwj2002> well I have to go for a few
[08:40] <christopher4125> hmmm... here a screenshot of my entire 'gtk' entry: http://s9.postimg.org/mtvo6awpb/Screenshot_from_2013_10_18_02_38_54.png
[08:40] <nova_> christopher4125: perhaps it's something that broke somewhere between 12.04 and 13.10.
[08:40] <zeifer> andry, Realtek ALC270
[08:40] <zeifer> aka HDA ATI SB
[08:40] <andry> didnt you say something like hdmi?
[08:41] <zeifer> I said I *don't* have an HDMI port.
[08:41] <DenSaakalte> I'll be right back
[08:41] <andry> ah okay :)
[08:41] <christopher4125> nova_ ya its about the only thing I can think of... if you installed the icon set today (or at least very recently...) it should be just as current as if its updated via ppa I would imagine.
[08:42] <nova_> christopher4125: mine is much the same except for cursor theme, size, and theme colors
[08:43] <nova_> christopher4125: yeah i just installed it about an hour ago, though I don't think it's the icon set as it's behaving the same with any icons i choose to use
[08:43] <andry> zeifer, did you try pavucontrol?
[08:44] <andry> to see if there are unwanted sound cards and disable them
[08:44] <zeifer> andry, yes I did.
[08:44] <andry> :|
[08:44] <christopher4125> did you install fanzea by manual download/install or via ppa?
[08:44] <zeifer> No other sound cards in here or detected.
[08:44] <KeyboardNotFound> I think that maybe I have injected botnet/virus in my linux system, how is possible to scan my system for viruses ?
[08:44] <nova_> christopher4125: manual install using the "INSTALL" script included in the archive
[08:45] <andry> zeifer, did you install gnome-media
[08:45] <andry> and check via gstreamer-properties
[08:45] <christopher4125> about the only thing I can think of is try the PPA, see if that helps: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/08/faenza-icon-set-gets-a-ppa
[08:45] <christopher4125> After that... I got nothin'... soz
[08:45] <zeifer> andry, that includes gstreamer-properties, right?
[08:45] <andry> yes
[08:46] <nova_> christopher4125: when i tried the ppa earlier it wasn't connecting for some reason..but that reason might have been all the open connectections i had going with utorrent..ill try the PPA again thank you sir
[08:46] <zeifer> andry, then yep, I have it right here.
[08:46] <christopher4125> no problem.. wish I could have solved that one...
[08:46] <christopher4125> if that doens't fix it.. its gotta be a 13.10 thing
[08:47] <nova_> christopher4125: yeah that might be it...or something broken in the xubuntu distro
[08:47] <andry> zeifer, did you add "options snd-hda-intel model=auto" (or modify) to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base?
[08:47] <Dr_Willis> !av | KeyboardNotFound
[08:47] <andry> alsa-base.conf, sorry
[08:47] <christopher4125> one thing I noticed a while ago was Xubuntu xfce was much different from XFCE from Terminal install... but that's a WHILE back... running xfce 4.10 right?
[08:47] <KeyboardNotFound> Dr_Willis, but read the dot 8 : Linux virus infections are theoretically possible.
[08:48] <zeifer> andry, sounds like instructions I haven't seen yet. Got links?
[08:48] <nova_> christopher4125: If I have to ill try adding xcfe on top of ubuntu, I was jsut hoping to avoid having duplicates in my application menu from Unity stuff
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> KeyboardNotFound:   the only viruses ive ever seen are for specific service bugs on specific distros..
[08:48] <andry> Extra Hints to Get Sound Working: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[08:48] <nova_> christopher4125: I believe so, I know its called xfce4 everywhere
[08:48] <christopher4125> Ooh... dr_willis is back... he's pretty good with xfce problems... might want to see if he can help
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> KeyboardNotFound:   its theoretical that elvis and bigfoot are working on their own linux disrto also.
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> ;)
[08:48] <andry> i have to do this for an old laptop
[08:49] <Dr_Willis> christopher4125:  but im at work. so may have to leave at any time,.
[08:49] <christopher4125> ah.. k :(
[08:49] <Dr_Willis> ive rarelyhad any xfce issues. using xubuntu on 13.10 right now
[08:50] <Dr_Willis> whats the issue anyway?
[08:50] <KeyboardNotFound> Dr_Willis, thank for help:)
[08:50] <andry> or .. zeifer .. just up- or downgrade your kernel :D
[08:50] <nova_> Dr_Willis: the problem I'm having is that the "Window Button" icons on the xfce panel don't want to scale up beyond about 32 px
[08:50] <christopher4125> He's on 13.10 and can't get panel icons above 32px on 1080p display... mine just resize when I adjust the menu bar, his don't (i'm runnin 12.04)
[08:50] <Dr_Willis> nova_:  :) i always remove the bottom panel on xfce.  they dont work well with a netbooks small screen
[08:50] <nova_> Dr_Willis: christoper seems to have no issue, his scale just fine and he showed me a pic to prove it
[08:51] <DenSaakalte> Back now
[08:51] <zeifer> andry, don't joke around with me like that. I'm happy with my video problems being sorted for the moment. Don't break the mood!
[08:51] <DenSaakalte> I just tried to reinstall the intel graphics driver to no avail
[08:51] <andry> hehe sorry :)
[08:51] <nova_> Dr_Willis: actually i removed the bottom panel (panel 1) and put panel 0 on the left of the screen
[08:51] <DenSaakalte> They're still broken for me :(
[08:51] <nova_> Dr_Willis: I'm going for that icons only left side vertical panel look like Unity
[08:51] <andry> which intel graphics, DenSaakalte? and which problems
[08:52] <DenSaakalte> I'll explain once again:
[08:52] <andry> my ears just exploded due to gstreamer audio test
[08:52] <andry> fieeeeep
[08:52] <nova_> Dr_Willis: specifically it's the "window buttons" plugin..the one that shows running programs
[08:53] <DenSaakalte> andry: I updated to Ubuntu 13.10 earlier yesterday, I forgot which Intel Graphics Card I had installed before this, but the fact is that now they show as "Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.3, 128 bits)" and show a "the system is running in low graphics mode" error
[08:54] <nova_> Dr_Willis: my icons scale when the panel is 32px or below, but above that they jsut stay at 32px while the button itself grows around it
[08:54] <DenSaakalte> Furthermore I tried to reinstall the drivers using this guide http://linuxg.net/how-to-install-the-intel-graphics-drivers-on-ubuntu-13-04-12-10-12-04-and-linux-mint-15-14-13-via-repository/, and when I restarted I had a couple of system errors
[08:54] <andry> DenSaakalte, did you try to just install xserver-xorg-video-intel
[08:54] <DenSaakalte> I'll try that right now
[08:54] <DenSaakalte> Hold on
[08:54] <andry> or remove and reinstall if it is installed
[08:54] <Dr_Willis> buttons grow here on 13.10 - the windows list just gets taller
[08:54] <christopher4125> nova_ dunno if this will help... but here's my 'window button' properties: http://s23.postimg.org/tccz99qej/Screenshot_from_2013_10_18_02_53_31.png
[08:55] <DenSaakalte> It says it's already the newest version, andry
[08:55] <andry> wait a sec
[08:55] <andry> easy fix :P
[08:55] <Dr_Willis> window list on a left side panel is sort of funny looking.. the words/text are all sideways ;)
[08:55] <Promethes> hi, why ubuntu boot screen is so ugly?
[08:56] <andry> DenSaakalte, save this: http://pastebin.com/3zyUsAzz as /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/30-intel.conf
[08:56] <Promethes> its unbelievable, years ago i had ubuntu with nice boot screen, now it;s txt mode and occasionally some strange messages
[08:56] <Dr_Willis> !plymouth | Promethes
[08:56] <DenSaakalte> Okay hold on andr
[08:56] <andry> this should override any faulty xorg config for intel
[08:56] <DenSaakalte> andry*
[08:56] <SteveBell> hi all. Curios to install 13.10 on my netbook. But since I had lots of issues with 13.04 and had to revert to 12.10LTS I'm unsure if that is a good idea. How can I check if Ubuntu 13.10 runs on my netbook?
[08:56] <k1l> Promethes: that is not standard
[08:56] <andry> ah wait, which intel chip is it?
[08:56] <andry> sandy bridge or newer?
[08:56] <k1l> Promethes: plymouth is the regular boot screen
[08:56] <DenSaakalte> Hold on
[08:57] <andry> ok
[08:57] <christopher4125> Dr_Willis use 'deskbar' instead of verticle, that rotates the text ;)
[08:57] <DenSaakalte> Processor: Intel® Celeron(R) CPU 847 @ 1.10GHz × 2
[08:57] <Promethes> is is standard on all 10 computers that i have, with various hardware
[08:57] <DenSaakalte> Uhhhh... This isn't it
[08:57] <andry> then use accelmethod uxa
[08:57] <DenSaakalte> Or maybe
[08:57] <DenSaakalte> Okay
[08:57] <andry> sna is for sandy and newer
[08:58] <andry> or just leave the option for accelmethod completly if it fails to load
[08:58] <DenSaakalte> Okay, I forgot how to create a new file in a protected folder
[08:58] <andry> sudo nano bla
[08:58] <andry> :)
[08:58] <DenSaakalte> Right, thanks
[08:58] <k1l> Promethes: nope
[08:58] <andry> or sudo gedit
[08:58] <nova_> Dr_Willis: yes you can remove the text from the "window button" and also do as chistopher said and it rotates any remaining text
[08:59] <k1l> andry: no sudo gerdit. dont use sudo for GUI. use gksudo
[08:59] <nova_> Dr_Willis: or change the text clock to analog and the text orientation isnt an issue
[08:59] <DenSaakalte> gksudo it is
[09:00] <andry> or so
[09:00] <nova_> Dr_Willis: oh i jsut saw the line about how your icons grow on 13.10...interesting...now are you using xubuntu or ubuntu with xfce installed?
[09:00] <matcouto> Hi folks, I'm trying to do a fresh install of ubuntu with win7 and another ntfs partition alongside. However, my current partitions are not shown on the list but only the /dev/sda(entire HD). any idea? there's a printscreen of fdisk -l command and the installation window, -> http://postimg.org/image/vh71ex9pt/
[09:00] <nova_> Dr_Willis: if it's the latter then I'll try installing that way to test
[09:01] <DenSaakalte> Okay andry, I created the file now: it wasn't already present on the folder, is that fine?
[09:01] <christopher4125> trying to get something like this: http://s24.postimg.org/fv6bs1i6t/Screenshot_from_2013_10_18_03_00_31.png
[09:01] <andry> yes, thats fine
[09:01] <DenSaakalte> Okay, I'm going to restart now
[09:01] <andry> this is to override auto-detect
[09:02] <DenSaakalte> I'll be right back
[09:02] <DenSaakalte> Okay
[09:02] <andry> okay :)
[09:02] <andry> remove the accel line if it fails
[09:02] <DenSaakalte> Alright
[09:03] <madpigeon> hellp
[09:03] <madpigeon> hello
[09:03] <vlt> :-D
[09:03] <MegaQuaggan> greetings!
[09:04] <madpigeon> is there any godd cdaudio ripper for ubuntu?
[09:04] <nova_> christopher4125: yes that's what I'm after : D
[09:04] <madpigeon> *good
[09:04] <Promethes> k1l: i have 10 computers with ubuntu installed and none of them are showing plymounth in gfx mode, only ugly text mode
[09:05] <lotuspsychje> matcouto: did you see the setup screen dualboot with win7?
[09:05] <Promethes> k1l: and this works this way since plymouth was introduced
[09:05] <DenSaakalte> Nothing andry :(, it didn't work
[09:05] <DenSaakalte> I didn't get any errors this time, but it still shows Gallium in the graphics driver
[09:05] <christopher4125> ya.. its real weird... Dr_Willis is running xubuntu 13.10, so the setup you two have should be pretty much identical.
[09:05] <DenSaakalte> And takes THAT long to reboot too
[09:06] <matcouto> nops lotuspsychje It directly boots on Win7
[09:06] <nova_> christopher4125: I've been using KDE, and have the panels there setup pretty much the same.  It's what I've gotten used to.  I just discovered xfce and I kinda like it.  I've avoided gnome like environments for a while now.
[09:06] <MegaQuaggan> Madpigeon: If your CD drive works with wine I highly recommend fre:ac
[09:06] <lotuspsychje> matcouto: no i mean in ubuntu 13.04 setup, did you choose install ubuntu along side win7?
[09:06] <k1l> Promethes: it works on several machines like a charm for me. so what do we do now? ranting and cursing or do you want to solve the issue?
[09:07] <nova_> christopher4125: oh did he say it was xubuntu?
[09:07] <andry> hmmm
[09:07] <sevenearths> is there a good place to put google-app-engine in ubuntu? (you know. outside of the user directory so all users can use it)
[09:07] <christopher4125> I'm on a netbook (1024x600) so I'm stuck with things that can run small status bars, so that leave me with XFCE or LXDE, and for me, lxde isn't quite ready for primetime...
[09:07] <christopher4125> ya.. he's running xu13.10
[09:07] <Octopus_> test!
[09:08] <nova_> christopher4125: but it's Xubuntu, not Ubuntu+xfce?
[09:08] <lotuspsychje> !test | Octopus_
[09:08] <DenSaakalte> andry: should I remove the AccelMethod line then? I just did it
[09:08] <andry> thats not the problem, try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg-video-modesetting
[09:08] <christopher4125> Dr_Willis is running Xubuntu, I am running Ubuntu + XFCE
[09:08] <DenSaakalte> Okay, let's try
[09:08] <andry> if that not works, we can try to add the xorg-edgers
[09:08] <andry> :P
[09:08] <matcouto> lotuspsychje: this option wasn't given. Only Erase disk..., Encrypt the new installation..., use LVM... and Something else. I chose 'Something else'  which goes to that window that uploaded
[09:09] <DenSaakalte> Okay andry, I just tried it and it didn't say anything
[09:09] <nova_> christopher4125: ok that's weird...nothing left to go on now..im out of guesses
[09:09] <DenSaakalte> How do I check if something was changed?
[09:09] <Octopus_> is it a exclusif ubuntu forum or generalist?
[09:09] <andry> ctrl+alt+f1, login, sudo service lightdm restart
[09:09] <k1l> Octopus_: this is the ubuntu technical support channel
[09:09] <andry> faster than reboot
[09:09] <DenSaakalte> Alright, let's see
[09:09] <christopher4125> lemme look up one more thing...
[09:10] <andry> (dont know if ctrl+alt+backspace is bound in ubuntu 13)
[09:10] <lotuspsychje> matcouto: thats weird, you should be able to choose install win7 next to ubuntu, maybe try install from usb stick at boot(not livecd)
[09:10] <Octopus_> des francophones ici?
[09:10] <lotuspsychje> !fr | Octopus_
[09:11] <matcouto> lotuspsychje: I've done that too. didnt work.
[09:11] <Octopus_> merci!
[09:11] <DenSaakalte> Nope, didn't work...
[09:11] <lotuspsychje> matcouto: and your win7 works properly?
[09:11] <DenSaakalte> Time to try the other method, andry
[09:11] <andry> DenSaakalte, can you do this?
[09:11] <andry> http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppa/xorg-edgers
[09:11] <irrelev4nt> lotuspsychje: it's actually not that weird. My Surface Pro won't prompt me to install beseide Win8 either
[09:11] <DenSaakalte> Okay le's see
[09:11] <matcouto> lotuspsychje: yup, it does.
[09:11] <andry> add the repo, update install
[09:11] <andry> :)
[09:12] <DenSaakalte> I'm on it now
[09:12] <andry> (instead if install just upgrade)
[09:12] <andry> okay
[09:12] <lotuspsychje> irrelev4nt: is it an uefi machine?
[09:12] <matcouto> lotuspsychje: I'll try to run some chdisk on win and give it a shot again. brb
[09:12] <irrelev4nt> lotuspsychje: yes, it is
[09:12] <christopher4125> nova_ I just ran 'xfce4-about' in terminal, I'm running 4.8, which is *not* the latest version....
[09:12] <christopher4125> dunno if that matters.
[09:13] <lotuspsychje> irrelev4nt: ive installed an uefi w8 laptop recently and didnt even had to mess with uefi, worked out of the box for ubuntu
[09:13] <DenSaakalte> Packages are being updated now
[09:13] <andry> okay, after that better reboot
[09:14] <irrelev4nt> lotuspsychje: it works to a certain extent. Secure Boot for example does *not* work. You enable it, you won't be able to boot Ubuntu
[09:14] <SteveBell> FYI: http://askubuntu.com/users/login#create-account does not load for me
[09:14] <fahadash> i
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> irrelev4nt: even on ubuntu clean install on whole hd?
[09:15] <devjustforfun> I have 3 user and each of them have ssh. each user can't access home directories of others. But i have www-data user that can read all home directories and execute php files in them and can CRUD public directory of each user. That means user1 can create php file and by using php script delete the public folders of the other users. So my question is how to prevent it?
[09:16] <irrelev4nt> lotuspsychje: I won't try that as I need my win8. Just need Ubuntu for legacy gaming. But won't matter, because the device complains about a Secure Boot violation at boot
[09:16] <hitsujiTMO> irrelev4nt: lotuspsychje: sucure boot does work, just not with the microsoft key that is present in the uefi when you get the system
[09:16] <devjustforfun> CRUD - create read update delete*
[09:16] <SteveBell> is that login working for others? and is signing up new account on askubuntu working for anybody?
[09:16] <DenSaakalte> Okay andry, I updated the repositories. Which of the packages in xorg-edgers should I install?
[09:16] <andry> just do a apt-get upgrade
[09:16] <irrelev4nt> SteveBell: Just registered with Google on AskUbuntu
[09:16] <DenSaakalte> I just did and nothing (aside from chrome-stable) showed up
[09:17] <SteveBell> irrelev4nt: and can you create a new account?
[09:17] <irrelev4nt> SteveBell: Yes, worked like a charm
[09:17] <DenSaakalte> And install -f doesn't show anything either
[09:17] <SteveBell> irrelev4nt: strange. ok sorry must be on my end then. disabled firewall and adblocker still no luck...
[09:17] <SteveBell> FF24 on os x here.
[09:17] <andry> can you do a sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[09:17] <irrelev4nt> hitsujiTMO: So what am I missing when I want to get my Surface going with Secure Boot enabled?
[09:17] <lotuspsychje> hitsujiTMO: well not sure if secure boot is enabled by default, but the laptop i did installed ubuntu out of the box
[09:17] <DenSaakalte> Okay, let's try that
[09:17] <devjustforfun> i really need help with that to setup my hosting :)
[09:18] <DenSaakalte> Done
[09:18] <lotuspsychje> devjustforfun: you on desktop or server?
[09:18] <SteveBell> irrelev4nt: works fwith safari. very interesting...
[09:18] <DenSaakalte> Now should I restart lightdm or a full reboot?
[09:18] <andry> can you check if  apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental is installed?
[09:18] <DenSaakalte> Okay
[09:18] <andry> and remove it if it is
[09:18] <irrelev4nt> lotuspsychje: Installing Ubuntu works just fine with SB enabled. You reboot and - BAM - error
[09:19] <DenSaakalte> It wasn't installed, now it's installing now
[09:19] <DenSaakalte> -now
[09:19] <DenSaakalte> Done
[09:20] <andry> ok i thought it is installed and would recommend to remove it, but restart lightdm and try
[09:20] <DenSaakalte> Okay
[09:20] <andry> :D
[09:20] <irrelev4nt> SteveBell: FF's cache at time can be a pain ...
[09:20] <DenSaakalte> I'll be right back
[09:20] <andry> ok :)
 server
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> devjustforfun: the #ubuntu-server guys might wanna help you out maybe?
[09:20] <bussore> hello, i have an ubuntu 13.04 disk. i would like to know if it is safe in live mode. i mean is it ok to do online banking in live mode for example? or to be safe one must install?
 i think i should setup ssh properly
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> !ssh | devjustforfun
[09:21] <Dr_Willis> bussore:  theres 'security' focused live cd disrtos out also. the live cd shouldbe as safe as a instgalled system id imagine.
[09:21] <SteveBell> irrelev4nt: def y! can I subscribe for updates for existing questions on askubuntu?
[09:21] <hitsujiTMO> irrelev4nt: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/SecureBoot tells you how to install the canonical key, however, this will prevent you from installing windows 8 on that device in the future (oem uses the secure boot key do determine your licence)
[09:21] <Dr_Willis> bussore:  its just possible theres  not all the secureity updates on the live cd.
[09:21] <devjustforfun> i know what is ssh
[09:21] <Depa> Hi guys :)
[09:22] <DenSaakalte> Nope, didn't work...
[09:22] <DenSaakalte> (and now for some reason the calendar/time disappeared)
[09:22] <Depa> I installed Ubuntu 13.10... How I can completly remove GNOME/Unity??
[09:22] <Dr_Willis> Depa:  what desktop are you planing on using?
[09:23] <andry> DenSaakalte, is it a i915
[09:23] <andry> ?
[09:23] <irrelev4nt> SteveBell: I don't see any obvious option for that ... dunno, maybe it's possible, though
[09:23] <DenSaakalte> Where do I check that?
[09:23] <bussore> so you think i would be taking a big risk?
[09:23] <irrelev4nt> StevenBell: You can subscribe to your own questions though
[09:23] <Depa> Dr_Willis: KDE but I won't to install Kubuntu
[09:23] <Dr_Willis> bussore:  i wouldent think of it as much of a risk at all
[09:23] <Dr_Willis> !purekde | Depa
[09:24] <andry> maybe lspci shows
[09:24] <DenSaakalte> Trying now...
[09:24] <Eit8> I always had the problem with the "an account needs attention" in 13.04 and in 13.10 I've got the pop up asking for gmail password to synch my stuff and it always fails saying the password is wrong (it isn't) any workaround to fix this ?
[09:24] <bussore> even if it's not updated?
[09:24] <andry> or sudo lshw -C video
[09:24] <irrelev4nt> hitsujiTMO: Thanks for the link. Interesting ... as MS will reinstall my Win8 anyway when I send in the device due to WiFi drops I could actually try that ..
[09:24] <DenSaakalte> command not found (on the last one)
[09:25] <andry> you can install it via install lshw
[09:25] <DenSaakalte> Installing now...
[09:26] <zeroXten> any chance of 13.10 working on my 9,1 mac?
[09:26] <irrelev4nt> bussore: What kind of "risk" are you thinking about? ...
[09:26] <bussore> the live distros you mentioned before are for example knoppix? knoppix live is safer than ubuntu live?
[09:26] <bussore> risk i am thinking about is that somebody else gets in my online banking for example
[09:26] <irrelev4nt> bussore: Live systems means that Ubuntu is loaded into your RAM only. You poweroff the device and every trace of what you have been doing is gone
[09:27] <DenSaakalte> andry: http://pastebin.com/vJZHHKyd this is what shows
[09:27] <hitsujiTMO> zeroXten: as in os 9.1?
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> bussore: pc banking is always tricky...if you click on a malicious banner
[09:27] <bussore> but surfing without a fully updated system is not dangerous?
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> !security | bussore
[09:28] <irrelev4nt> bussore: lotuspsychje: in that aspect Windows and Linux are no different ... you just have to be aware and carefull
[09:28] <zeroXten> hitsujiTMO: no as in that particular model/generation or whatever apple calls it
[09:28] <DenSaakalte> I see driver=i915, so to answer your question, yes
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> bussore: a healthy paranoia is reccomended
[09:29] <andry> second..
[09:29] <DenSaakalte> Okay :), thanks for this btw
[09:29] <hitsujiTMO> zeroXten: what are the specs? no idea what a 9,1 mac is
[09:30] <zeroXten> its the one that *should* be somewhere between point 11 and 12 on this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro
[09:31] <bussore> so to conclude if i do the following: run ubuntu 13.04 in live mode, go only to the site of my bank, login, do online banking, and when finished shutdown, SHOULD I BE OK?
[09:31] <zeroXten> i installed it a few weeks ago but wifi was a problem
[09:31] <lotuspsychje> bussore: yes, but always stay alert for what happens online...
[09:31] <hitsujiTMO> zeroXten: yes it should run
[09:31] <zeroXten> hitsujiTMO: but with what issues?
[09:31] <irrelev4nt> bussore: in general, yes, you should be fine. Just be carefull to really go to your bank's site and not some kind of scam
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> bussore: if you login in a fishing page of your bank...things could go wrong
[09:32] <hewhomust> bussore, safer to go into to the physical bank need to be careful not to be shot though
[09:32] <hitsujiTMO> zeroXten: you'd have to ask someone with the same model
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> hewhomust: lol
[09:32] <zeroXten> hitsujiTMO: hence why I'm here ;)
[09:33] <bussore> ok, thank you, just out of curiosity, would you have said it was ok also if i had an ubuntu 10.10 disk ? i mean an old system is always fine if one surfs carefully?
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> !10.10 | bussore
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> bussore: we reccomend you installing a version from topic mate
[09:34] <irrelev4nt> bussore: long story short, you might want to choose a more recent version of Ubuntu rather than 10.10
[09:34] <bussore> that's not my question, my question is would it have been safe if i surfed carefully? (just curiosity)
[09:35] <bussore>  hewhomust: :)
[09:35] <Dr_Willis> bussore:  if you are worried about security.. get a newer release with a newer browser.
[09:35] <lotuspsychje> bussore: when a version is end of life, it means its not safe to continue
[09:36] <Dr_Willis> bussore:  if you are REALLY worried about live-cd surfing.. get one of the security focused live cds out there
[09:36] <bussore> is knoppix live safer than ubuntu live because it is designed as a live distro? (very last question)
[09:36] <Dr_Willis> 10.10 has firefox that is at least 3 years old.
[09:36] <Dr_Willis> is koppix still updated? hav ent heard about it in years.
[09:37] <Dr_Willis> anything thats not 3 yrs old.. would be safer then a 3 yr old disrto
[09:37] <Dr_Willis> of course using common sence when surfing - goes a long way. ;)
[09:38] <bussore> ok thank you very much
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> bussore: you have windows and want to secure browse the web with a livecd?
[09:38] <ur0pl> hi
[09:38] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: knoppix as knoppix is pretty dead but there are spinoffs
[09:38] <reisio> ur0pl: hi
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> ur0pl: hello, what can we do for you?
[09:38] <reisio> doesn't look dead: http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html
[09:38] <ur0pl> i can't do a control + f5 to refresh with a new cache because it brings me to my 5th virtual window
[09:39] <ur0pl> ioaky
[09:39] <bussore> yes
[09:39] <ur0pl> even when i lowered my workspace windwos to 4, it doesn't do anything now
[09:39] <ur0pl> it is like it is already binded
[09:39] <Dr_Willis> ur0pl:  from a X session   it should be alt-ctrl-f5 to get to a Console.
[09:40] <bussore> ok but i have a better understanding of the situation now, i'm ok, thanks for the help, bye :)
[09:40] <lotuspsychje> bussore: then ubuntu livecd will be able to help you, but install ubuntu would be even better and loose win once and for good :p
[09:40] <bussore> :)
[09:40] <Dr_Willis> ur0pl:  if you mean the  5th 'virtual desktop' ive not notice3d that keybinding. what app does a refresh with ctrl-f5?
[09:41] <DenSaakalte> andry, not sure if you're still there, but I noticed something: in /etc/X11/ I don't have an xorg.conf, but rather a xorg.conf.failsafe
[09:42] <DenSaakalte> Do you think this is part of the problem?
[09:44] <irrelev4nt> Using Wine in 13.10 I have very distorted sound even though desktop sound works great. CLI gives multiple PCM overflow errors. Where do I look to resolve such issue?
[09:44] <andry> back .. :P sorry, work called
[09:44] <andry> the conf palce is /usr/share/X11 now
[09:44] <reisio> irrelev4nt: check alsamixer's pcm level
[09:44] <ActionParsnip> irrelev4nt: ask in #winehq too
[09:44] <andry> hm i am not sure what else you can try
[09:45] <ActionParsnip> irrelev4nt: does if affect all apps?
[09:45] <ActionParsnip> irrelev4nt: have you checked the APpDb?
[09:45] <irrelev4nt> reisio: what do you mean by alsamixer's pcm level?
[09:46] <reisio> irrelev4nt: run 'alsamixer' in a term, check the level for 'PCM'
[09:46] <DenSaakalte> andry: http://pastebin.com/vJZHHKyd
[09:46] <irrelev4nt> ActionParsnip: yes, checked AppDb. No known error of that sort. Like 7 years ago that particular game under some circumstances had no sound at all
[09:46] <DenSaakalte> The contents of the xorg.conf.failsafe
[09:46] <DenSaakalte> I just did a cp xorg.conf.failsafe xorg.conf
[09:47] <irrelev4nt> ActionParsnip: it effects wine in general. even the wine sound test is distorted
[09:47] <andry> the failsafe just loads if the intel drivers fail
[09:47] <andry> or any other
[09:47] <DenSaakalte> Yeah
[09:48] <DenSaakalte> Shouldn't the xorg.conf have the Intel drivers?
[09:48] <andry> it should autoload them
[09:48] <andry> there is no need for an xorg.conf anymore
[09:48] <ActionParsnip> it may not if EDID fails, sometimes its needed
[09:48] <ActionParsnip> andry: not true in all cases
[09:48] <andry> configs go in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d now
[09:48] <DenSaakalte> I see... But it's not doing it
[09:49] <andry> like we did with the 30-intel.conf
[09:49] <DenSaakalte> Yeah
[09:49] <andry> i dont see why it doesnt load :/
[09:49] <DenSaakalte> What could be stopping it from using the 30-intel.conf?
[09:49] <ActionParsnip> andry: my display goes to 1280x1024 at 3000 dpi, meaning tiny tiny window decorators and huge text, I need an xorg.conf file to make the desktop usable
[09:49] <andry> can you post the /var/log/X* to pastebin?
[09:49] <DenSaakalte> Okay hold on
[09:49] <ActionParsnip> DenSaakalte: some screens do need an xorg.conf file.
[09:49] <ActionParsnip> DenSaakalte: what is the output of:  cat /etc/issue
[09:50] <andry> ActionParsnip, we created a intel.conf
[09:50] <DenSaakalte> My problem isn't really with the screen but the graphic card, since it's using Gallium instead of intel
[09:50] <ur0pl> i'm not trying to get to a console. i am trying to do a refresh with a clean cache like i could do in windows, it is control + f5
[09:50] <ActionParsnip> andry: where was it made?
[09:50] <reisio> ur0pl: in what application?
[09:51] <andry> usr share x11 xorg.conf.d .. that is where it belongs
[09:52] <ActionParsnip> DenSaakalte: what is the output of:  cat /etc/issue
[09:52] <blade-runner> hello. Could someone please tell me the command to install XFCE?
[09:52] <ActionParsnip> blade-runner: sudo apt-get install xfce4
[09:52] <blade-runner> ActionParsnip, ty
[09:52] <DenSaakalte> Ubuntu 13.10 \n \l
[09:52] <ActionParsnip> andry: i see
[09:52] <Dark_light> Empathy doesn't show my facebook contacts, it seems it fails to login, on a related note I had a similar issue in gnome but found patches for gnome online accounts since facebook changed some things on their part
[09:52] <DenSaakalte> That, ActionParsnip
[09:53] <fahadash> I have 12.4 LTS on my HP Mini laptop, whenever I chat on skype, it leaves the webcam-light (the one that tells you webcam is on) ON...It leaves it on... Is there anything I can do about this ?
[09:53] <andry> and you upgraded from 04 to 10, right?
[09:54] <andry> i dont know what else to do :/ i think i would do a fresh install .. btw .. i use 13.04 for my intel hd4600, the older x + stable 01.org drivers work much better than the ones in the repo
[09:54] <DenSaakalte> andry: http://pastebin.com/vZG39H8q
[09:55] <DenSaakalte> And yes, I upgraded from 04 to 10
[09:55] <DenSaakalte> Those are the three Xorg files in the /var/log/
[09:55] <Eit8> after 13.10 upgrade evolution can't authenticate my gmail password saying it's incorrect (it isn't )
[09:55] <topper4125> ur0pl: are you trying to clear all your history from terminal? if so... use the command 'reset'
[09:57] <lotuspsychje> ActionParsnip: mounting the .img worked yesterday tnx!
[09:58] <irrelev4nt> can anybody recommend an IRC client for ubuntu?
[09:58] <DenSaakalte> xchat
[09:58] <irrelev4nt> thanks
[09:59] <lotuspsychje> irrelev4nt: depending on your needs: xchat, irssi
[09:59] <universal> http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=1f51a4c - what channel no. to set - 1 t0 13 available with automatic mode also and what channel width 20Mhz or 40 with automatic also available for best wifi speed ? also what is WDS and should I enable it or not ?
[09:59] <DenSaakalte> So I guess my only option left is a fresh install?
[09:59] <andry> either something broke X while upgrading ..
[09:59] <andry> or
[09:59] <andry> the new x just dislikes you :D
[09:59] <andry> no .. sorry
[09:59] <andry> dont know
[10:00] <andry> i would reinstall
[10:00] <DenSaakalte> :(
[10:00] <FloodBot1> andry: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:00]  * andry hugs FloodBot1
[10:00] <DenSaakalte> Haha, well... I guess I'll try that right now
[10:00] <brotherBox> Hello people. I am working with lubuntu 12.04 and want to get my wifi Stick, a Sitecom N150 to work. Apparently the only way to do this is via ndiswrapper, but I don't find packages of the ndiswrapper stuff for lubuntu. Can I just use the packages for ubuntu 12.04?
[10:00] <andry> sorry :/
[10:00] <Dark_light> How can I disable the meta+number combo to launch apps ?
[10:00] <Dark_light> brotherBox: yes
[10:01] <Dark_light> *in Unity
[10:01] <brotherBox> Dark_light, thank you for clarifying that, will try
[10:01] <kaddi> hi, i would like to dualboot win8 and ubuntu.. is there a good guide on how to install them side by side? Everything I've seen so far has me disable secureboot to install
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> brotherBox: i think my sitecom wifi adapter worked out of the box, not sure wich ubuntu version again..
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> !dualboot | kaddi
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> !uefi | kaddi
[10:02] <kaddi> ty
[10:02] <DenSaakalte> Don't be sorry andry :), you were very helpful
[10:02] <DenSaakalte> One more question: how do I reinstall Ubuntu without a live CD?
[10:02] <DenSaakalte> BEcause this laptop doesn't have one
[10:02] <lotuspsychje> !cookie | andry
[10:02] <DenSaakalte> (yes, an extremely noob question)
[10:02] <andry> you can use a usb stick to install :)
[10:02] <kaddi> DenSaakalte, with USB :)
[10:02] <Paulus68_1> DenSaakalte: use a usb
[10:03] <brotherBox> lotuspsychje, my former stick did work out of the box, but this one doesnt on lubuntu 12.04
[10:03] <andry> brotherBox, you can try this: http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/sitecom-wlan-stick-installieren/#post-5600242
[10:03] <topper4125> kaddi, I've found some vid tutorials on Youtube to be very helpful with win8 duel boot
[10:03] <DenSaakalte> Alright... I could use my external HDD for that, then
[10:03] <andry> (google translate and stuff :P)
[10:03] <kaddi> the uefi guide looks good to me. I'm not good with youtube videos.. They're too slow for me and I get bored and drift away. Better to have text :)
[10:05] <wilee-nilee> kaddi, here is a thread, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147295
[10:06] <brotherBox> andry, I remember doing something to this effect on Ubuntu 10.04 a while ago and I got it to work. The hardware ID mentioned in the post shows up in my lsusb, not in my lspci
[10:06] <brotherBox> Its indeed 0df6:006b
[10:06] <andry> wohnst du in der nähe vo düsseldorf? dann bekommst du meinen alten wlan stick ;D
[10:07] <Paulus68_1> !de
[10:07] <brotherBox> andry, are you talking about me now?
[10:07]  * topper4125 is still known at topper4125 (tends to stick with what works)
[10:07] <brotherBox> I live in Mönchengladbach, so yes ;)
[10:07] <brotherBox> Kind of.
[10:08] <SteveBell> IRC is unabel to post properly ae ue oe (german letters öäü)?
[10:08] <kaddi> depends on your client, usually
[10:08] <kaddi> and the irc standards specified
[10:08] <kaddi> if you use utf8 and the irc net uses ascii things go bad :p
[10:09] <brotherBox> I live in Moenchengladbach. Unlike Nuremberg and Cologne, the english language doesn't have its own version...yet...
[10:09] <kaddi> you can modify the charset in your client usually
[10:09] <kaddi> ./charset utf8 or something similar
[10:09] <kaddi> for me the umlauts work
[10:09] <brotherBox> För me tüü
[10:09] <Speiros> Hello.  Where can I get information regarding security on Ubuntu?
[10:09] <andry> well, if you want to, you can catch it up in moers, krefeld or duesseldorf (not joking)
[10:10] <topper4125> !security
[10:10] <andry> for free.
[10:10] <reisio> Speiros: ordinary security, or additional?
[10:10] <brotherBox> andry, I have relatives in Krefeld
[10:10] <brotherBox> That would actually be very nice of you...but I'll try to get this one working first ;)
[10:10] <Speiros> reisio ordinary.  I have issues with my version of Ubuntu, I believe.
[10:11] <reisio> Speiros: what issues?
[10:11] <tony_> hi
[10:11] <andry> okay
[10:11] <Speiros> I noticed today when the Ubuntu Software Centre was updating the files to see what was recommended for uploading or changing, that all the security files were "failed".
[10:12] <fahadash> No opinion there about my webcam light staying on ??? It always concerns me that big-brother might be watching
[10:12] <Speiros> Sorry reisio, that was for you.
[10:13] <hitsujiTMO> Speiros: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[10:13] <reisio> Speiros: if they failed, then the authentication system is working
[10:13] <lotuspsychje> fahadash: what happens if you close skype completly?
[10:13] <brotherBox> fahadash, I would try to start up your computer and have no program running - except for Wireshark
[10:13] <brotherBox> And see what goes through your connection.
[10:13] <andry> fahadash, modprobe -r uvcvideo
[10:13] <andry> :P
[10:13] <Speiros> reisio, I see.
[10:13] <Speiros> hitsujiTMO I use 10:4
[10:13] <andry> i read about 13.10 + webcam issues..
[10:14] <hitsujiTMO> 10.04 is not supported, its eol
[10:14] <Speiros> reisio does that also mean that it is failing because there is no need?
[10:14] <DenSaakalte> Well, it's time to do another clean install... Sigh
[10:14] <reisio> Speiros: it probably means the server in question is having a hiccup, or your config is a little out of whack
[10:14] <andry> :( was about to ask if you fixed it
[10:15] <Speiros> hitsujiTMO I uploaded 12:04 on another server, and couldn't use it at the time.  That computer is now in computer heaven...lol
[10:15] <reisio> Speiros: it could mean the server has been compromised, but that almost never happens, and is usually publicized
[10:15] <DenSaakalte> I restarted last time to see if it was fixed by chance
[10:15] <DenSaakalte> But now I'm making a backup
[10:15] <Dark_light> How can I disable the unity keyboard shortcut Meta + 1 to 9 to launch applications? it's driving me nuts
[10:16] <Speiros> reisio I guess I need to just wait until I have a fresh hard drive, and try again, again.lol
[10:16] <brotherBox> Gah and now my usb drives won't work
[10:16] <reisio> I doubt the hard drive is relevant
[10:17] <Speiros> reisio I mean in that I don't want to lose my documentation by uploading onto this one.
[10:17] <silv3r_m00n>  this is the output of lspci -v, http://pastebin.com/ka4egneS  how much graphics memory do i have ?
[10:18] <jboii> hi
[10:18] <reisio> hi jboii
[10:18] <andry> looks like you share 256mb ram with your vga
[10:18] <Speiros> Anyway, thanks reisio and thanks hitsujiTMO for your help.  All the best.
[10:18] <jboii> i have a text file i cannot get clean
[10:18] <silv3r_m00n> andry: and that 1MB is onboard ?
[10:19] <jboii> can someone help me edit it , so text is possible to see correct ?
[10:19] <silv3r_m00n> andry: difference between prefetchable and non-prefetchable ?
[10:19] <andry> i think the 1mb is like a fixed buffer
[10:19] <jboii> its a file with song names copy from an app
[10:19] <andry> not too sure
[10:19] <jboii> i copied text from facebook
[10:20] <reisio> jboii: pastebin
[10:20] <jnhghy> jobii: what do you mean get clean? how did you got that file? check it's permissions with terminal cd to file location and ls-lah ... you'll see the owner ..
[10:21] <twenty-three> hi guys, while on 13.04 i experienced a number of issues while trying to use propietary nvidia drivers, so eventually i gave up on them. i have  just installed 13.10 and i wonder if there is a way to test nvidia driver issues or whether there is a particular place where i could dig information about it
[10:22] <twenty-three> while on 13.04 i tried to install bumblebee but i think i must have messed something up since it locked me into low resolution for all my displays
[10:22] <SunTsu> twenty-three: just create a copy from your current xorg config, modify it to use proprietary nvidia drivers and then start a new X server using that config
[10:23] <topper4125> "
[10:23] <XATRIX> Hi guys i'm using Xubuntu 13.10 and have a problem. I've currently updated to, and now my volume control applet which is in system tray has no connection to pulse audio, as long as i see.... It shows me disabled picture and when i click it. It doesn't present me a volume controls
[10:23] <XATRIX> Pulse-audio seems like to running fine.
[10:25] <habtool> XATRIX: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/1208204
[10:25] <twenty-three> suntsu, thanks but i need more detail (i am still learning how to use this OS), would that be as simple as copying the folder that contains xorg config?
[10:27] <SunTsu> twenty-three: it's as simble as copying just that file. Or simply try using Xorg -configure that will try to figure out your setup and create a brand new config file in your current directory
[10:27] <SunTsu> simple even
[10:27] <andry> no one seems to use the new format via xorg.conf.d :D
[10:27] <jboii> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6256329/
[10:27] <DenSaakalte> Apparently not!
[10:27] <jboii> can someone upload the file so i can download it ?
[10:28] <jboii> so i wont have to make an account
[10:28] <brotherBox> Why is it that so many wifi drivers aren't 100% free? :(
[10:28] <fahadash> lotuspsychje: Closing Skype has no effect. Rebooting does turn it off but I dont wanna have to turn it off after every skype chat
[10:28] <twenty-three> SunTsu: thanks a lot i'll give it a go
[10:28] <fahadash> andry: I don't want to disable webcam
[10:28] <fahadash> s/turn it off/reboot
[10:28] <andry> jboii, http://www.bugmenot.com/view/login.launchpad.net
[10:29] <drecute> how does reinstallation of grub2 affect the kernel?
[10:29] <brotherBox> drecute, not at all
[10:29] <brotherBox> grub should find all kernels and won't change existing kernels
[10:29] <drecute> brotherBox:  what about the kernel config in grub?
[10:30] <drecute> would it be overriden?
[10:30] <andry> brotherBox, i am going to buy a WN722N today, the chipset works fine with linux
[10:30] <andry> dont want ralink chipsets anymore ..
[10:30] <brotherBox> Depends if you delete the old one drecute. If you're feeling unsure, just back up the old /boot/grub.cfg
[10:31] <brotherBox> andry, I have not even gotten to try anything.  Thanks
[10:31] <jboii> when i click on download , i cant get it lookin ok
[10:31] <jboii> like it was when i paste it
[10:32] <brotherBox> drecute, actually its /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[10:32] <andry> maybe pastebin broke the format
[10:32] <fahadash> Looks like Canonical is working with secret services to leave people's webcam on, this bug was reported 4 years ago still no progress
[10:32] <jboii> i need it lookin like it looks
[10:32] <jboii> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6256329/
[10:33] <jboii> chance someone can download it and upload ?
[10:33] <andry> i send you a dcc
[10:33] <fahadash> Canonical might be recording videos of people changing clothes thinking nobody's watching them
[10:33] <brotherBox> lol
[10:33] <fahadash> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/363583
[10:34] <wilee-nilee> fahadash, way off topic and complete fud.
[10:34] <fahadash> wilee-nilee: It is supposed to be on-topic in #ubuntu
[10:34] <wilee-nilee> fahadash, read the COC, that is not.
[10:34] <fahadash> Why ubuntu devs are not fixing this bug ? Why they wanna keep the webcam on ?
[10:34] <andry> jboii, www.debinux.de/Download.txt.zip
[10:35] <wilee-nilee> fahadash, The topic is support.
[10:35] <SteveBell> is there an option to forcequit applications on 12.04?
[10:35] <brotherBox> I don't envy you guys during update time
[10:35] <fahadash> Ok, give me support please. I need the webcam turned off when not in use
[10:35] <fahadash> SteveBell: Kill -9
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> !patience | fahadash
[10:36] <fahadash> Ok. I take it as "Shut up and find a better distro"
[10:37] <Sludge321> Hi all. Was wondering if anyone could help me with compiling a library? I believe the issue I am encountering is due to static/dynamic python links - but I really don't have the first clue what to do or how to set flags.
[10:37] <SteveBell> fahadash: could you provide some context for a noob? I assume this is a terminal command?
[10:37] <lotuspsychje> fahadash: no reason to take conclusions like this..
[10:37] <fahadash> SteveBell: first find the pid using pgrep command . pgrep -i programname, then kill -9 pid
[10:37] <lotuspsychje> fahadash: it means, at another time someone might help you
[10:38] <andry> or pidof :)
[10:38] <andry> kill -9 `pidof bla`
[10:39] <fahadash> andry: That could have scary results
[10:39] <lorddaedra> Hello! I tried to update Ubuntu Server 13.04 => 13.10 and got Critical Error on last step. Please, answer in my topic here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2181498
[10:40] <SteveBell> so terminal > kill −9 pid xbmc ?!?
[10:40] <andry> why would it?
[10:40] <SunTsu> er - if there is pgrep shouldn't there be a pkill, too?
[10:40] <lotuspsychje> seems like support becomes a demanding task these days..
[10:40] <hitsujiTMO> fahadash: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[10:40] <SunTsu> SteveBell: all it needs probably is a "pkill applicationname"
[10:41] <fahadash> hitsujiTMO: 12.4 LTS
[10:41] <varlog> What's the most accurate way of determining whether your harddisk is mechanical or an SSD? I tried "cat /sys/block/sda/queue/rotational", however I have reason to believe that it occasionally gives me wrong information
[10:41] <andry> nothing scary about this.
[10:41] <varlog> ²
[10:42] <fahadash> varlog: Put your ears close to it, if you hear the humming noise its mechanical
[10:42] <Jerry168> hello
[10:42] <SteveBell> so how'd I find out the application name (process name) of xbmc media center?
[10:42] <reisio> Jerry168: hi
[10:42] <varlog> fahadash: I would if I could, however I do not have access to the computers
[10:42] <reisio> SteveBell: pgrep -l xbmc
[10:42] <varlog> fahadash: no physical access that i
[10:42] <prc3webs> I want t set up mail just to catch outgoing mails I don't need them to send anywhere.  What should I do to set up my server to catch what is sent by a mail function?
[10:42] <prc3webs> mailutils?
[10:43] <fahadash> varlog: I am sure there will be some file under /proc
[10:43] <SunTsu> prc3webs: what exactly do you mean by "catch"?
[10:43] <andry> grep . /sys/class/block/sd*/queue/rotational should show you a 0 for ssd
[10:43] <prc3webs> Ok so say I am testing php's mail function on my server.  I don't need the server to actually send out any mail to the outside world I just need to be able to read the message
[10:43] <hitsujiTMO> fahadash: you should test a later distro from a live cd and see if the bug still exists. if not then you need a kernel update, if yes then you should add a comment to that bug report to state that it is still an issue
[10:44] <varlog> fahadash: There are many files under /proc :P , but if you mean /proc/partitions , it doesn't tell you whats mechanical and what's an ssd
[10:44] <prc3webs> but I want them to all catch in one spot like usr/bin/mail
[10:44] <swing> Hello everyone, I want to install teamviewer (remote control software), usually it installs without a problem, I downloaded 13.10 v of ubuntu yesterday and reinstalled pc.. now when i want to install teamviewer i get this massage: dependenci is not statisfable lib32asound2
[10:45] <santhosh> hai what is the meaning of virtual ip in linux
[10:45] <SunTsu> prc3webs: use "local sendmail" as your mail transport option and instead of installing sendmail create a script that contains "cat > /dev/null" instead and call that sendmail
[10:45] <fahadash> varlog: cat /proc/scsi/scsi
[10:45] <SunTsu> prc3webs: then configure your php to use that as mail transport "binary" and you're good
[10:45] <prc3webs> thanks Sun
[10:46] <fahadash> varlog: cat /proc/scsi/scsi <-- will give you Model of your hard drive that you can google and find out the specs
[10:46] <SunTsu> santhosh: depends on the context
 update pc and install team viewer
[10:46] <varlog> fahadash: Thanks for the help but I do not have that file and that's kind of a silly solution, if I want the information to write a script
[10:46] <santhosh> how to give virtual ip in my linux pc
[10:46] <fahadash> hitsujiTMO: I am trying to stay on LTS, I will try 13 with livecd, not sure if I can run skype through it
[10:47] <ActionParsnip> santhosh: you can use ifconfig to add virtual interfaces
[10:47] <ActionParsnip> santhosh: known as subinterfaces
[10:47] <santhosh> means bonding
[10:47] <fahadash> varlog: Not sure... My opensuse has this file; You might have to look through the hierarchy under /proc
[10:48] <ActionParsnip> santhosh: virtual IPs are subinterfaces on software based interfaces, giving more than one IP to a single port
[10:48] <brotherBox> andry, I just checked lsusb -v, my wifi stick apparently has a RTL8188S chipset
[10:48] <hitsujiTMO> fahadash: if its that bug then it should exist with other camera apps, you can update the kernel without moving from lts, just build your own
[10:48] <ActionParsnip> santhosh: nothing to do with bonding, or do you want to bond 2 unique interfaces together?
[10:49] <santhosh> no i want nore than one ip in a siingle port for ipbased web server
[10:49] <irrelev4nt> dang ... anybody running wine on 13.10 yet?
[10:49] <ActionParsnip> santhosh: then that is nothing to do with bonding
[10:49] <ActionParsnip> santhosh: you can add sub interfaces on a bonded connection but otherwiuse the 2 are separate
[10:49] <santhosh> ok can u tell me clear steps in virtual ip
[10:50] <ActionParsnip> santhosh: http://www.wantlinux.net/2009/04/ubuntu-subinterfaces/
[10:50] <ActionParsnip> santhosh: took me 2 seconds to 'google' that...
[10:50] <santhosh> thanks
[10:50] <lotuspsychje> irrelev4nt: whats happening?
[10:50] <marlo> i just 'upgraded' to saucy and now my machine won't boot - it's like the keyboard gets turned off
[10:50] <ActionParsnip> santhosh: you already know it is called a sub interfcae, so you have some terms you can search for
[10:51] <marlo> can't type in my home-directory encryption password
[10:51] <irrelev4nt> lotuspsychje, I can't use wine at all
[10:51] <santhosh> ok
[10:51] <irrelev4nt> get a lot of error prompts when I start for example winecfg. Programs won't start at all
[10:51] <lotuspsychje> irrelev4nt: installing works? running not?
[10:51] <fahadash> varlog: try  cat /sys/block/sda/device/model . It will give you the model number that you can look up on internet to grab the specs
[10:51] <fahadash> varlog: replace sda with your respective device
[10:52] <irrelev4nt> everything that involves sound makes wine crash
[10:52] <irrelev4nt> otherwise there are a lot of errors
[10:53] <Twenty-three> hi guys, during 13.04 i experienced several issues with nvidia propietary drivers, i just tested them (319) in saucy and they are working tip top, given that the updates on linux-headers (kernel?) was my main issue i wonder if there is a way to prevent such updates in the future
[10:53] <Twenty-three> or whether it is adviceable at all to prevent such updates
[10:54] <brotherBox> andry, what you linked me magically worked! Thanks a lot!
[10:54] <andry> haha was about to type :) cool
[10:54] <fahadash> varlog , you got it ?
[10:54] <brotherBox> I was initially vary because the thing I copypasted had nothing to do with my chipset, but as long as it works...eh
which version wine u used and which os u used
[10:55] <andry> yes wifi is strange in linux sometimes
[10:55] <marlo> what do i do if i can't get saucy to boot - my machine is like locked-up, dead keyboard and all, like the usb port gets shut off or something
[10:55] <andry> better always "trial and error" :D
[10:55] <irrelev4nt> santhosh, ubuntu 13.10 with apt-get install wine after addingthe ppa
[10:56] <KaiKaiKatsu>
[10:56] <irrelev4nt> saw a lot of wine1.6 stuff when removing it just now
[10:56] <swagilicious> Thanks andry. A good day to everyone
wine 1.4 is stable version try on that one
[10:57] <DenSaakalte> Hey guys, quick question: Is there an Intel 64bit version of Ubuntu 13.10 yet?
[10:57] <irrelev4nt> santhosh, just installed the stable ... still some errors ...
[10:57] <reisio> DenSaakalte: almost certainly...
[10:58] <Twenty-three> densaakalte, yeah, i have it
[10:58] <DenSaakalte> Alright cool, thanks
[10:58] <DenSaakalte> I wasn't sure
[10:58] <santhosh> what type of errors u get
[10:58] <reisio> DenSaakalte: http://mirror.edatel.net.co/ubuntu-releases/13.10/
[10:58] <DenSaakalte> Awesome, thank you
[10:59] <QuantumRenegade> hey guys
[10:59] <irrelev4nt> santhosh, here is the CLI output while starting up winecfg http://pastebin.com/VzxUZbGw
[10:59] <DenSaakalte> I see it there
[10:59] <QuantumRenegade> is it possible for me to switch between window managers ? ie ... ctrl + alt + shift ways ?
[10:59] <irrelev4nt> does anybody know what to do about "ALSA lib pcm.c:7843:(snd_pcm_recover) underrun occurred
[10:59] <irrelev4nt> "error?
[10:59] <reisio> QuantumRenegade: ctrl+alt+shift?
[11:00] <QuantumRenegade> yeah
[11:00] <Twenty-three> hi guys, during 13.04 i experienced several issues with nvidia propietary drivers, i just tested them (319) in saucy and they are working tip top, given that the updates on linux-headers (kernel?) was my main issue i wonder if there is a way to prevent such updates in the future
[11:00] <Twenty-three> or whether it is adviceable at all to prevent such updates
[11:00] <QuantumRenegade> a custom hack... i am new to ubuntu and it seems like a schlep to change window managers after install
[11:00] <brotherBox> If you don't want kernel updates Twenty-three remove the linux-generic package
it is 64 bit or 32 bit
[11:01] <irrelev4nt> santhosh, 64 bit
[11:01] <Twenty-three> brotherbox, how would i do that? also, would preventing the updates bring any issues?
[11:01] <reisio> QuantumRenegade: don't know what you're asking
[11:01] <santhosh> it is getting on 32 bit error  "p11-kit: couldn't load module: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/pkcs11/p11-kit-trust.so: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/pkcs11/p11-kit-trust.so: Kann die Shared-Object-Datei nicht öffnen: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden wine: configuration in '/home/robert/.wine' has been updated."just try on 32 bit
[11:02] <QuantumRenegade> how big of a mission is it when you change windows managers after install ? i am on unity currently... and would like to try KDE ?
[11:02] <hitsujiTMO> Twenty-three: do not remove that package!
[11:02] <SteveBell> I'm on 12.04 on a netbook. how would I proceed if I want to update to 13.10?
[11:02] <SteveBell> do I have to go via 12.10 which I get offered or is there a direct path?
[11:03] <Twenty-three> stevebell, i hear a fresh install tends to work better than upgrading
[11:03] <irrelev4nt> santhosh, what do you mean by trying a 32bit version?
[11:03] <reisio> Twenty-three: :p
[11:03] <brotherBox> hitsujiTMO, in my opinion, removing the meta package linux-generic is a good idea since it won't search for new kernels when upgrading
[11:03] <hitsujiTMO> Twenty-three: you can put the package on hold with: sudo apt-mark hold package_name
[11:03] <brotherBox> That doesn't delete the actual kernels
[11:03] <SteveBell> Twenty-three: sure, but I hear a fresh install would remove all my media center configuration and samba setup
[11:03] <brotherBox> hitsujiTMO's solution is better. Please forget what I said, Twenty-three
[11:03] <santhosh> u<irrelev4nt>ubuntu 32 bit os
[11:03] <fahadash> SteveBell: I wouldn't trust anything other than LTS
[11:03] <idodeisuke> is there a way to determine recently uninstalled packages?
[11:04] <irrelev4nt> santhosh, I can't. I am on a Surface Pro which is a UEFI system - I therefore have to use 64bit
[11:04] <reisio> SteveBell: there's no point using a distro you can't upgrade without reinstallation
[11:04] <SteveBell> fahadash: yes, that was my experience with 13.04 :P
[11:04] <Twenty-three> hitsujitmo, that's good news, i'll try that next time i boot 13.10, thanks a lot
[11:04] <brotherBox> reisio, thats why I switched from Windows ;)
[11:04] <fahadash> SteveBell: Wait until next LTS release comes out, I guess its April 2014
[11:04] <brotherBox> Bye people
[11:05] <reisio> waiting is silly
[11:05] <SteveBell> fahadash: yes, maybe the safest and most trouble free route. reisio you think?
[11:05] <hitsujiTMO> idodeisuke: in you log files in /var/log/apt
[11:05] <reisio> SteveBell: waste of time
ok but it is getting 64 bit error try on ubutnu 12.10 it is working fine
[11:05] <reisio> SteveBell: there's no point using a distro you can't upgrade without reinstallation
[11:05] <fahadash> I wouldn't install something that is still in research and has its reliability questionable
[11:06] <andreiiar> Can I make the choose language and the menu after ( boot live, install, check mem, boot hardisk ) dissapear for a usb live disk? I am choosing english all the time anyway and boot as live disk, I dont want it to ask me that anymore.
[11:06] <reisio> the only sane thing to do would be switch distro
[11:06] <fahadash> reisio: Do you have a recommendation ?
[11:06] <irrelev4nt> santhosh, will do tomorrow. Thanks for your assistance
[11:06] <idodeisuke> hitsujiTMO, thx!
[11:06] <santhosh> ok
[11:07] <reisio> fahadash: Debian would be the obvious choice, but most people would probably instantly complain about the latest FOO not being available
[11:07] <Rena> I keep seeing messages about resetting USB device #3, but how do I find out which device that is?
[11:07] <fahadash> Thanks reisio
[11:08] <fahadash> reisio: Would Debian work on laptops ?
[11:08] <andry> Rena, what does lsb in terminal say?
[11:08] <reisio> fahadash: plenty of other choices, do a little research
[11:08] <reisio> fahadash: yes, Ubuntu is based on Debian
[11:08] <andry> it does fahadash (asks at install after laptop-detecting)
[11:08] <Rena> andry: No command 'lsb' found
[11:08] <andry> lsusb
[11:09] <Rena> it lists a number of devices
 lsb_release -a "it is a command for knowing the version of ubuntu"
[11:09] <Rena> thanks andry
[11:10] <andry> you see the device ids there :)
[11:10] <Rena> I don't know why an SD card reader keeps resetting though
[11:10] <Rena> I guess I'll find out next time I use it ;p
[11:11] <fahadash> Rena: Might not be plugged in properly
[11:13] <fahadash> If a computer wont get powered on, first thing I would check is if power-cable is plugged in properly and the wall outlet is emitting electricity ; then I would go on advanced troubleshooting steps
[11:14] <reisio> wrong
[11:14] <reisio> first you smash the keyboard
[11:14] <fahadash> reisio: Can we get skype on Debian ?
[11:14] <Rena> "are you sure it's plugged in?"
[11:14] <reisio> fahadash: on any distro
[11:14] <reisio> fahadash: https://wiki.debian.org/skype
[11:14] <fahadash> Cool
[11:14] <reisio> fahadash: all distros support the same software (though some make it easier/harder)
[11:15] <marlo> just installed 13.10... upon boot all usb ports are shut off, power is cut... can't type anything
[11:15] <fahadash> reisio: Is there anything that ubuntu can do and debian cant ?
[11:15] <reisio> fahadash: there's nothing any distro can do that another can't
[11:15] <ctrl_> hello.  enabled the recommended Nvidia driver (319) and then could not boot into Ubuntu after. Should I try the 319 updates or would the same issue probably happen?
[11:15] <andry> debian has pretty old but stable packages ..
[11:15] <andry> better use debian jessie (testing) for desktop use
[11:16] <fahadash> ctrl_: You gotta watch the youtube video of Linus Torvalds dropping f-bomb on nVidia
 did u update  the pc before update just restarting pc
[11:16] <ctrl_> huh?
[11:16] <irrelev4nt> is there any way of obtaining an ubuntu daily build iso from a week ago?
[11:16] <fahadash> ctrl_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVpOyKCNZYw
[11:17] <andry> i think the daily builds just last for 2 days irrelev4nt
[11:17] <ctrl_> but what do i do?
[11:17] <marlo> santhosh, not sure what you're asking, i was on 13.04 and i 'upgraded' to 13.10... now when it boots, and asks for my decrypt passphrase, the keyboard is dead
[11:17] <marlo> santhosh, i have a back-lit keyboard, all the lights die
[11:18] <irrelev4nt> andry, thanks. basically means I am screwed now -.-
[11:18] <ctrl_> Is there a reason the recommended driver is breaking boot?
[11:18] <reisio> irrelev4nt: if they're available from multiple mirrors, you can probably find one that is lagging behind
 just look in to bios the keyboard is enabled or diabled
[11:18] <reisio> irrelev4nt: which day do you want?
[11:18] <andry> good idea reisio  :)
[11:19] <irrelev4nt> reisio, can you point me to a mirror like that? anything like a week ago would be fine
[11:19] <reisio> ew, they don't put a timestamp in the filename? :/
[11:19] <marlo> santhosh, it must be enabled, i certainly haven't changed anything, and i'm running it now (on an older install of ubuntu)
[11:19] <irrelev4nt> reisio you can check the upload date
[11:19] <reisio> yeah, that's more tedious
[11:19] <andry> they dont, looked that up too :/ just the foldernames
[11:20] <reisio> irrelev4nt: try http://web.archive.org/web/20131012090407/http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[11:20] <reisio> that's last saturday, theoretically
[11:21] <alexwhitman> Anyone else's menu bar slow to open menus?
[11:21] <tarzeau> ubuntu unity? 1310?
[11:21] <alexwhitman> yep
[11:21] <irrelev4nt> reisio, you might as well have saved my weekend :D
[11:21] <alexwhitman> unity, 13.10, intel sandybridge grapics
[11:21] <santhosh>  <alexwhitman> ctrl + esc in ubuntu
[11:21] <alexwhitman> *graphics
[11:22] <andry> reisio, this links to current builds
[11:22] <tarzeau> don't know, we're avoiding unity and use mate instead (or wmaker, i3, fvwm, amiwm...)
[11:22] <andry> ie http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/saucy-desktop-i386.iso
[11:22] <andreiiar> Can I make the choose language and the menu after ( boot live, install, check mem, boot hardisk ) dissapear for a usb live disk? I am choosing english all the time anyway and boot as live disk, I dont want it to ask me that anymore.
[11:22] <tarzeau> santhosh: even that is slow sometimes
[11:22] <reisio> andry: nope
[11:22] <hitsujiTMO> alexwhitman: what menu exactly is slow? the search menu?
[11:22] <alexwhitman> santhosh, ctrl + esc doesn't appear to do anything
[11:22] <ActionParsnip> tarzeau: have you reported a bug?
[11:22] <irrelev4nt> not really. if you compare the file sizes than you'll see a difference
[11:22] <andry> reisio, click on an iso or mouse-over
[11:22] <andry> you see it links to current
[11:22] <alexwhitman> hitsujiTMO, no, the File/View etc menus or the system menu by the clock
[11:22] <tarzeau> ActionParsnip: not that one, but many others.. why?
[11:23] <reisio> andry: nope
[11:23] <santhosh>  <alexwhitman>it is ubuntu or any thing
[11:23] <andry> i just pasted the link -.-
[11:23] <reisio> andry: then you're on a different page
[11:23] <andry> rightklick > copy link > paste anywhere
[11:23] <ActionParsnip> tarzeau: if you are on Saucy I suggest you report a bug
[11:23] <reisio> andry: I already have
[11:23] <andry> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/*
[11:24] <tarzeau> ActionParsnip: we're using a setup with nis/nfs/ldap users and home directories
[11:24] <tarzeau> ActionParsnip: i'm not sure ubuntu or canonical cares about such setups
[11:24] <santhosh>  <alexwhitman>it is ubuntu or any thing
[11:24] <m3kk> Hi! I have got an dualcore E450 1.65Ghz laptop with 4gb ram and radeon 6320. Would this be good enough to run ubuntu satisfying? Should i try lighter distros? I know about hardware requirements but that is not always reality
[11:24] <alexwhitman> santhosh, it's ubuntu
[11:24] <reisio> m3kk: should be fine
[11:24] <m3kk> reisio, with unity 2d or fullblown unity?
[11:25] <andry> the full link is: http://web.archive.org/web/20131012090407/http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/saucy-desktop-i386.iso < but whatever .. gone now
[11:25] <santhosh>  <alexwhitman> just install lxde desktop and type ctrl+ esc it is an light weight
[11:25] <cfhowlett> m3kk, install ubuntu AND lxde and xfce4.  that way you can test the other environments.  If you prefer the alternate, download and install
[11:26] <alexwhitman> santhosh, yea that's not a solution.
[11:26] <alexwhitman> It worked fine in 13.04
[11:26] <BrianH> Morning!  Has anyone ran into problems with the server installer not being able to get past the language selection?  Everything locks up at the first screen.
[11:26] <hitsujiTMO> m3kk unity 2d does not exist anymore ... should be fine , may need to disable background blur in search menu
[11:26] <reisio> m3kk: you can always change your desktop environment afterwards if you want something lighter/else
[11:26] <reisio> m3kk: "fullblown" should be fine
[11:26] <m3kk> cfhowlett, its recommended to download and install ie Xubuntu instead of installing xfce or xubuntu-desktop if preferd?
[11:26] <m3kk> Thanks for help
[11:26] <santhosh>  <alexwhitman> get me a screen shot
[11:27] <tarzeau> hitsujiTMO: can it be disabled systemwide for all users?
[11:27] <reisio> andry: it's not gone, it's right there
 just truy lxde it is very comfort
[11:27] <hitsujiTMO> tarzeau: i'm unsure on that
[11:27] <irrelev4nt> andry: now I have got 3 different images. One is the final release for 13.10 ~920MB, one is the last official nightly build with ~890MB and one was linked bei reisio with 874MB ...
[11:27] <m3kk> santhosh, i will! tring xfce right now
[11:28] <irrelev4nt> might as well try them all :D
[11:28] <m3kk> santhosh, do you know if lxde have same issues with screentrearing?
[11:28] <ActionParsnip> m3kk: both ways are fine. installing xfce4 will give the minimum needed for an XFCE session on your system
[11:29] <reisio> irrelev4nt: he'll figure it out :p
[11:29] <m3kk> ActionParsnip, great thanks. i accidentaly installed xubuntu-desktop on my mint cinnamon installation.. went down pretty ugly
 no it is working fine
[11:30] <m3kk> santhosh, thanks installing now
[11:30] <santhosh> ok
[11:30] <irrelev4nt> reisio: I despise developers breaking stuff with the final release ... worked like a charm in the nightly build I was using so far :/
[11:30] <reisio> irrelev4nt: that could be annoying
[11:30] <reisio> they should really timestamp them
[11:31] <irrelev4nt> they used to
[11:31] <reisio> weird
[11:31] <mzaza> How to upgrade from LTS to 13.10?
[11:31] <andreiiar>  Can I make the choose language and the menu after ( boot live, install, check mem, boot hardisk ) dissapear for a usb live disk? I am choosing english all the time anyway and boot as live disk, I dont want it to ask me that anymore.
[11:31] <marlo> santhosh, this is exactly my problem; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/1066376
[11:32] <marlo> not sure what to do about it though
[11:32] <marlo> i'm pretty much locked out
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> mzaza: you will need to upgrade to 12.10 then to 13.04 then to 13.10
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> mzaza: or you can do a clean install
 choose boot live
[11:33] <ActionParsnip> mzaza: considering the release is supported so shortly, why not wait til April next year and upgrade LTS to 14.04 which is also LTS
[11:33] <bl4ckdu5t> When I do a apt-get install, where does the .deb file downloaded gets stored before unpacking ?
[11:34] <ActionParsnip> bl4ckdu5t: /var/cache/apt/archives
[11:34] <andreiiar> santhosh: I am. But I want it to do that by default and not ask me any time I boot the usb.
[11:34] <peppegiu> ciao
[11:34] <peppegiu> list
[11:36] <bl4ckdu5t> Thanks ActionParsnip
[11:36] <Moccodo> Hello, I need some help - unity doesn't work for me. Some time ago I installed Ubuntu 13.04 on my PC and wanted to switch to Kubuntu, so I decided to install kubuntu-desktop etc. However, I didn't disable auto-login, so I was very confused that I always came back to Ubuntu and not Kubuntu! To fix this, I deleted Ubuntu-desktop and some other packages. After reboot, I saw the Unity Desktop without the sidebar. To fix this I switched with ctrl-alt-f1
[11:36] <Moccodo> to a terminal and googled some time. Then I found out that I need a login manager to switch the DE -.-' So I enabled gdm and used Kubuntu since then. In the meantime I also tried LDE. Now I just upgraded to 13.10 and wanted to see Unity back, so my question is - what packages do I have to install to get the sidebars back? The bar on top is also missing, but I can access the settings menu via "change desktop background".
[11:37] <threesome> how do i reset my keyboard that i modified using setxkbmap?
[11:37] <tarzeau> threesome: what had you have before?
[11:37] <threesome> i did setxkbmap -option caps:backspace
[11:37] <threesome> setxkbmap -option shift:both_capslock
[11:37] <threesome> xmodmap -e "clear Lock"
[11:38] <threesome> essentially changing caps lock key to be backspace
[11:38] <threesome> but for some reason caps lock got toggled somehow and now all my text is capital letter unless i hold down the shift key :)
 direct install differenr dersktop versions
[11:38] <tarzeau> threesome: good question, read the man page? sorry dunno, i only use it to switch between ch and us keyboard layouts
[11:39] <reisio> threesome: log out & in should suffice
 u find a new keyboard
[11:39] <reisio> hahah
[11:41] <rogetfan> ss
[11:41] <Moccodo> santhosh: Ok, how? With Ubuntu live?
i think live it is not possible just try agin reinstall
[11:43] <rogetfan> 这里有没有中国人
[11:43] <Moccodo> santhosh: Really, it took hours to download all the packages etc D:
[11:43] <reisio> heh
[11:44] <santhosh> a<Moccodo> after updateing just truy it lxde it is working
[11:45] <marlo> I can't boot how do i get around this; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/1066376
[11:47] <Hundred> hi friends
[11:47] <reisio> hi friend
[11:47] <Moccodo> santosh: I don't understand - I want to get Unity working, the rest is okay
[11:47] <santhosh> hai
[11:47] <reisio> ohai
[11:47] <Hundred> what is the best app available for tracing filesystem access?
[11:48] <santhosh> hahahah
[11:49] <Kartagis> Hundred: "best" entirely depends on what you need exactly
[11:49] <santhosh> which version is stable in lubuntu
[11:49] <Hundred> Kartagis i'd like to know what app is accessing what files on the filesystem
[11:49] <santhosh> and which is light weight desktop version in ubuntu
[11:50] <Hundred> santhosh try Lubuntu
[11:50] <Hundred> 13.10 just released yesterday
[11:50] <Hundred> but its only 9 months support heh
[11:50] <dsalfran> hello all, I'm having some trouble with the wifi, I have a Ralink and I'm using the compiled driver rt2860 instead of the default rt2800pci, the wifi works fine, but I'm getting non-stop these two lines on the syslog:
[11:50] <dsalfran> DRS: unkown mode,default use 11N 1S AP
[11:50] <dsalfran> DRS: unkown mode (SupRateLen=6, ExtRateLen=0, MCSSet[0]=0xfc, MCSSet[1]=0xff)
 in lubuntu or ubuntu
 in 13.1o in lubuntu
[11:52] <Hundred> santhosh lubuntu is an officially supported ubuntu release http://www.lubuntu.net/
what is support for 9 months varienty period
[11:52] <ActionParsnip> Hundred: you can use tripwire to watch for changes in a file
[11:53] <m3kk> Just installed lxde but now i gott wallpwper with an X as mouse and nothing else, how do i get back to login acreen to change session?
[11:53] <m3kk> Santosh ie
[11:53] <ActionParsnip> m3kk: press CTRL+ALT+T and run:    killall -u $USER
[11:54] <Hundred> but they dont have a long term support version, if you want LTS maybe try out LXLE http://lxle.net/ or Trisquel Mini http://trisquel.info/en/wiki/trisquel-mini , both are based on Ubuntu LTS
[11:54] <m3kk> Ctrl+alt+T does nothing Action
[11:54] <ActionParsnip> Hundred: yes but they are not supported here
[11:54] <ActionParsnip> m3kk: or CTRL+ALT+F1
[11:54] <jhutchins> ActionParsnip: Confirm Ctrl-Alt-t does nothing.
[11:55] <santhosh>  <m3kk> in desktop lxde icon is there no x wil appers
[11:55] <ActionParsnip> jhutchins: its a fairly universal shortcut to bring up a terminal
[11:55] <marlo> does anyone have any idea how to get around this, i literally can't boot; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/1164198
[11:55] <m3kk> Santosh no
[11:56] <ActionParsnip> marlo: what is the non-literal sense of can't boot?
[11:56] <santhosh>  <m3kk>iam working on lxde desktop
[11:56] <m3kk> Action: now what? I'm loginscreen in terminal
[11:56] <ActionParsnip> m3kk: killall -u $USER
[11:56] <m3kk> action: done but still in terminal
[11:56] <hitsujiTMO> marlo: is getting to grub?
[11:56] <m3kk> Login:
[11:56] <ActionParsnip> m3kk: press CTRL+ALT+F7
[11:56] <marlo> ActionParsnip, i cannot enter my encrypted partition password - therefore, i a stuck at, power-on... it is getting to grub
[11:56] <m3kk> Santosh, what do you mean
[11:57] <ActionParsnip> marlo: fine, but what is the non-lieral definition of can't boot?
[11:57] <santhosh>  <m3kk> ctrl+alt+f7
[11:57] <ActionParsnip> marlo: why did you add 'literally'?
[11:57] <m3kk> Action: back to wallpaper with X
[11:57] <marlo> after selecting from grub my boot image (i'm on an older 13.04 now) then i can't enter my password
[11:57] <ActionParsnip> marlo: why did you add 'literally'?