[00:00] <diddledan> here we go
[00:00] <diddledan> has the world ended?
[00:00] <shauno> yes
[00:04] <diddledan> well it seems to have killed monsterkiller
[00:05] <diddledan> it's a good job I'm not known as honeymonster in here :-p
[00:07] <diddledan> looks like it might have killed irc.mozilla.org
[00:07] <diddledan> I've been disconnected and can't reconnect
[00:07] <diddledan> ok it's back
[00:08] <shauno> seriously?
[00:09] <diddledan> yes, serials!
[00:14] <diddledan> and now my itunes is beachballing. oh the woe!
[00:14] <zmoylan-pi> how many tb of media is in your itunes library?
[00:15] <diddledan> 0.03?
[00:15] <diddledan> I'm assuming you meant TB rather than Tb
[00:17] <zmoylan-pi> when i used mac i found itunes was ok as long as you only had a few gigs of media.  once you went over a tb it got iffy and crashed a lot more
[00:18] <diddledan> yeah I've only got 0.03TB tho
[00:18] <zmoylan-pi> so maybe itunes just really sucks now :-)
[00:19] <shauno> mine's somewhere around 35,000 songs
[00:21] <shauno> but yes, itunes has always sucked.  and consistently got worse.  it's trying to do far too many jobs.
[00:21] <zmoylan-pi> and itunes on windows seems to have had a higher level of suckage
[00:21] <shauno> heh, to put it mildly
[00:22] <diddledan> speaking of apple - the steve bobs movie is due in octember apparently?
[00:23]  * diddledan adds it to his "I might watch at some point. surprise me by magically appearing in my plex media server"
[00:23] <shauno> no idea
[00:23] <shauno> I haven't even thought about november yet.  I have way too much going on this summer
[00:42] <zmoylan-pi> but it's so close to christmas!! :-D http://www.xmasclock.com/
[00:42] <shauno> oh don't get me started :|
[00:43] <shauno> we're having a mess at work because I want to go away for christmas.  I've worked the last 9 in a row.  but no-one else wants to take it
[00:45] <diddledan> shauno: they got too used to you doing it that they assumed you would again?
[00:46] <zmoylan-pi> put santa down on the roster for christmas
[00:46] <diddledan> "Update 2 5:35 p.m. Pacific Time: It appears the Beats 1 radio station is currently experiencing an outage and is unavailable for some listeners. Attempting to play the station results in an unknown error. "
[00:47] <zmoylan-pi> damn leap second?
[00:47] <diddledan> lets blame that
[00:47] <shauno> hm.  it's not unknown here.  says Cannot Parse: This data is damaged, incomplete or incompatible
[00:49] <diddledan> mozilla's irc is bouncy
[00:49] <zmoylan-pi> my pi abides :-)
[00:49] <shauno> get mozilla.org to host their irc on your pi?
[00:56] <diddledan> shauno: you're right about itunes with apple music being a UI/UX-trainwreck
[00:56] <zmoylan-pi> if it forces them to drop some of the cruft from various mozilla projects it might not be a bad idea
[00:56] <diddledan> there's no obvious reason why the "itunes store" is separate from the "new" tab (what does "new" actually mean anyway?)
[00:57] <diddledan> I can't see why there's no way to add items to your library from the store tab using your subscription
[00:59] <diddledan> I do like the new windows background image tho (unrelated, but meh)
[01:04] <daftykins> diddledan: o0
[01:04] <diddledan> daftykins: scrollback reveals all, but new build 10159
[01:06] <daftykins> ja i have an away log
[01:06] <daftykins> tbh i installed then had to go out XD so i've not seen anything
[01:06] <diddledan> if you don't want to look for the blog, it's at http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2015/06/30/whoa-another-pc-build/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
[01:08] <daftykins> looks like i checked at the wrong time
[02:31] <zmoylan-pi> beuller.... beuller.... beuller....
[02:44] <diddledan> I posted a feature request: https://windows.uservoice.com/forums/265757-windows-feature-suggestions/suggestions/8655949-custom-boot-logo-animation
[03:07]  * zmoylan-pi makes note to add suggestion for a completely new ui with no similarity to previous oses... :-P
[03:08] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: isn't that Ubuntu-Touch's remit?
[03:08] <zmoylan-pi> nah windows has the patent on random changes that annoy everyone
[03:13] <diddledan> win10 is actually really nice
[03:14] <zmoylan-pi> that's just the stockholm effect kicking in after all the years of unity on ubuntu :-D
[03:17] <diddledan> so itunes on my mac is busted completely
[03:25] <zmoylan-pi> it's apple's way of telling you that you need a shiny new computer
[03:32] <diddledan> apple aren't going to catch me that way :-p
[03:39] <zmoylan-pi> not after the last 5 times? :-)
[03:45] <diddledan> 5 times bitten, twice shy
[05:16] <mapps> uh oh
[05:16] <mapps> alnost sleep time
[05:17] <mapps> and its hot as usual
[05:33] <mapps> 1.9/10 maybe il avoid this film
[06:05] <knightwise> morning peeps
[06:05] <diddledan> allo
[06:06] <knightwise> hey diddledan ; how are ya today
[06:07] <diddledan> I'm good ta
[06:07] <shauno> what on earth are you still doing awake?
[06:07] <diddledan> :-p
[06:07] <diddledan> you're still awake, too
[06:08]  * knightwise just got up
[06:12] <mapps> yo
[06:12] <mapps> ;]
[06:21] <diddledan> "black work" is tantalising
[06:21] <diddledan> just finished watching last sunday's episode
[06:22] <diddledan> sheridan smith is wow
[06:22] <diddledan> <3
[06:22] <diddledan> oh dear. it's mailman day
[06:23] <diddledan> first one has arrived for<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:23] <diddledan> mailman**
[07:07] <diddledan> popey: you like crowdfunding, right?
[07:07] <SuperMatt> so does Greece, aparently
[07:09] <diddledan> craziest campaign of the week goes to: "Greek Bailout Fund" on indiegogo
[07:09] <diddledan> yeah, SuperMatt , you beat me
[07:09] <diddledan> unfortunately indiegogo appears to be overwhelmed right now
[07:10] <SuperMatt> yeah, I was just checking it myself and was about to ask if anyone else saw it as down
[07:10] <diddledan> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/greek-bailout-fund
[07:11] <diddledan> people laughed at ubuntuphone's 32million target. that's a far cry from this campaign's target of 1.6beeleon
[07:11] <diddledan> they've raised 575,459euro in 2 days
[07:11] <SuperMatt> I think it's tongue in cheek, but damn, they're doing quite well for a joke
[07:15] <diddledan> I'll laugh if they reach their target
[07:16] <diddledan> but audacity sometimes works
[07:16] <SuperMatt> well I'd laugh too because of all those silly rewards that they'd be beholden to
[07:21] <shauno> I found the other day that there's a donation page for the US deficit too.  except that one's on an actual .gov, which makes it less funny and more o_O
[07:22] <knightwise> anybody ever used links ?
[07:22] <diddledan> knightwise: as in the text-mode web browser? I have if so
[07:22] <knightwise> do you have any idea how to copy a url ?
[07:23] <diddledan> erm
[07:23] <diddledan> no
[07:23] <shauno> context?
[07:23] <shauno> ohh, the console browser?  on mine I have to hold alt while I'm mousing
[07:23] <knightwise> Say i have a link to the torrent file that i would like to copy over to transmission-cli
[07:26] <knightwise> ah found it
[07:27] <shauno> I think I'd just turn the status bar on
[07:27] <knightwise> you can select the torrent client in setup
[07:29] <shauno> I use elinks, not sure how similar it is, but I set up a protocol-handler for magnet:
[07:29] <shauno> makes the whole thing near-invisible
[07:52] <MooDoo> howdy all
[07:54] <diddledan> m00
[07:54] <SuperMatt> sup?
[07:58] <diddledan> hmm soup sounds like a good idea
[07:59] <knightwise> hot spicy chicken soup
[07:59] <diddledan> ooh now you're talking!
[08:20] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:21] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[08:25] <davmor2> MooDoo: I'm worried Deeply dippy is the song stuck in my head this morning
[08:27] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Mailman^WPostal Worker Day! 😃
[08:29] <davmor2> It's definitely Mailman day
[08:29] <davmor2> I had my email to prove it
[08:33] <bashrc_> deeply dippy about deeply dippy?
[09:00] <MooDoo> lol
[09:06] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:07] <diddledan> allo
[09:14] <brobostigon> morning diddledan
[09:19] <JamesTait> Blimey, the jet engine in the server has kicked in early this morning.
[09:20] <MooDoo> JamesTait: yeah the ones i have are bloody loud at the moment glad they are outside in the garage
[09:21] <JamesTait> MooDoo, so is mine. Right behind me. 😉
[09:24] <diddledan> JamesTait: heatwave issues?
[09:24] <diddledan> it's wimbledon fortnight. where's the rain?!
[09:24] <shauno> over here :(
[09:24] <diddledan> someone ordered the wrong weather!
[09:25] <diddledan> I blame michael fish
[09:29] <diplo> diddledan: Just had a few drops of it here, although it's still swelteringly hot!
[09:29]  * diplo forecasts a thunderstorm soon
[09:30] <JamesTait> Showers here tomorrow, according to the Today Scope. ☺
[09:35] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:35] <bigcalm> davmor2: VM had pushed new firmware to my superhub which reset it to be a wifi hub not modem only.
[09:36] <diddledan> bigcalm: sucky
[09:36] <davmor2> bigcalm: nice
[09:36] <bigcalm> Yeah. At least it's good to know why something is not working rather than have to complain to VM that they are broken
[09:38] <bigcalm> Why is this called a socket? I would have thought it's a plug: http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/6a-side-entry-euro-socket-jp19v
[09:38] <bigcalm> Is it based upon the metal pins rather than the plastic casing?
[09:39] <diddledan> bigcalm: sockets are always female
[09:39] <diddledan> I suppose that's an odd case
[09:40] <diddledan> the unit itself is a plug but the pins are socketed
[09:40] <diddledan> it's a safety thing that it's made that way tho
[09:41] <diddledan> side-entry sounds sooo ohmyy
[09:41] <bigcalm> :D
[09:41] <bigcalm> Yes
[09:43] <diddledan> so the greek bailout fund is up to 712k
[09:54] <diddledan> only another 1.5993billion to go
[09:57] <diddledan> shauno: have you heard about xhyve yet?
[09:57] <bashrc_> :)
[09:57] <diddledan> shauno: https://github.com/mist64/xhyve
[10:03] <foobarry> anyone on talktalk got a good deal off them lately??
[10:21] <sebsebsebb> hi
[10:21] <sebsebsebb> anyone around?
[10:21] <popey> of course
[10:21] <sebsebsebb> ok :)
[10:21] <sebsebsebb> so my Meizu Ubuntu Phone just came a little while ago
[10:21] <sebsebsebb> ,but
[10:21] <sebsebsebb> invoice says it's the Gold one as it's meant to be,  but the box says it's the silver one on the label
[10:22] <sebsebsebb> so it seems they sent wrong one
[10:22] <popey> have you contacted them?
[10:22] <sebsebsebb> I tried to phone just now, but that wouedn't go through, I'll email soon
[10:22] <bigcalm> Sounds like a supplier issue, not an Ubuntu one
[10:22] <sebsebsebb> bigcalm: yes indeed
[10:22] <sebsebsebb> ,but just saying here really
[10:23] <sebsebsebb> popey: Silver one
[10:23] <sebsebsebb> will look nice to
[10:23] <sebsebsebb> maybe better in a way really,  but  still wanted Gold
[10:23] <popey> isnt it just a plastic cover?
[10:23] <sebsebsebb> popey: is it best to keep the box shut  with hte plastic still on?  I guess so if  going to maybe send it back
[10:23] <popey> dunno
[10:24] <popey> never sent a phone back
[10:24] <popey> ask meizu
[10:24] <sebsebsebb> popey: no me either and I probably won't with this one to   now, but it's still wrong colour if
[10:25] <sebsebsebb> popey: yeah it's just mainly a colour I guess like your saying,  and  easy enough mistake to make if both are near I guess to send other one.
[10:26]  * sebsebsebb  should go back to trying to prepare his speech more properly
[10:26]  * sebsebsebb  is probablly doing a speech tommorow
[10:27] <sebsebsebb> popey:   did you order a Meizu?
[10:27] <popey> not yet
[10:27] <popey> i already have one
[10:27] <sebsebsebb> oh you got one free from Canonical?
[10:27] <popey> well, it's Canonical's not mine
[10:28] <popey> i ordered a bq e4.5
[10:28] <diddledan> e45 is a beauty cream :-p
[10:28] <sebsebsebb> yeah  I know you got a e4.5
[10:28] <diddledan> so owning an e45 phone makes you pretty?
[10:28] <popey> Yes.
[10:28] <diddledan> :-p
[10:29] <zmoylan-pi> methinks you're overestimating the ability of a moisturiser... :-P
[10:29] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: so the phone just gives you soft skin?
[10:30] <diddledan> it's all those radiations I guess
[10:30] <sebsebsebb> popey: that Canonical Meizu you'll probably get to keep it though?
[10:30] <zmoylan-pi> no superpowers whatsoever
[10:31] <popey> dunno
[10:31] <popey> I might pick up an e5 at some point
[10:31]  * sebsebsebb might be a e5 soon since....
[10:31] <sebsebsebb> buy above
[10:32]  * sebsebsebb might buy a Windows 10 convergence phone to, (no joking)
[10:33] <sebsebsebb> oh and let's get a Iphone to whilst at it, no I have no interest in having a iphone
[11:44] <foobarry> the sun's gone behind cloud!
[11:44] <foobarry> i want my money back!
[11:46] <zmoylan-pi> but if the cloud goes away so does all your data!!
[11:57]  * popey turns the air con off for a bit
[12:11] <Laney> ooh, big boom
[12:11] <Laney> could we be getting a storm?
[12:17] <Laney> OHHHHHH YEAHHHHHHHHHH
[12:17] <knightwise> hey Laney
[12:18] <knightwise> how's your touchpad treating you ?
[12:18] <knightwise> (on your XPS13) .. (cuz otherwise that sounds just plain creepy)
[12:18] <Laney> doesn't have palm detection
[12:18] <Laney> so a bit annoying until you get used to avoiding touching it
[12:18] <Laney> the space repeating issue is far worse for me
[12:18] <knightwise> Laney: i got that fixed with the bios update and a patch
[12:19] <Laney> I'm on A04
[12:19] <Laney> what patch?
[12:19] <knightwise> ask the guys over at #xps13 .. they know which patch (its a dell patch)
[12:19] <Laney> don't you have the link?
[12:19] <knightwise> not with me unfortunately
[12:19] <Laney> ok
[12:35] <bigcalm> Network switch still does not fit, despite using a right angled mains lead. Bother
[12:35] <diddledan> bigcalm: anglegrinder
[12:37] <bigcalm> Tempting to see if we can cut a chunk out of the back of the network cabinet
[12:44] <bigcalm> I even put the ears on backwards
[12:45] <bigcalm> Maybe I can move the vertical struts forwards
[12:45] <zmoylan-pi> you could make your own lead with bits from maplins.  might give you more flexibility?
[12:45] <TwistedLucidity> Remember to arrange the mortgage before going to Maplins
[12:46] <zmoylan-pi> you can get the bits cheaper else where but sometimes having them right there is easiest
[12:46] <bigcalm> zmoylan-pi: did that so that I could do a right angle plug
[12:46] <bigcalm> We have a Maplin 2 min walk from the office in town, quite handy
[12:48] <davmor2> bigcalm: use some plastic tubing an longer screws ;)
[12:49] <bigcalm> o.O
[12:49] <zmoylan-pi> can you mount unit in tack diagonally?
[12:49] <bigcalm> Even wondering if I can relocate the mains socket on the switch
[12:49] <zmoylan-pi> *rack
[12:49] <bigcalm> But that might be a touch odd
[12:50] <bigcalm> zmoylan-pi: not sure my boss would go with that idea
[12:50] <zmoylan-pi> or your boss can splash out on new rack? :-D
[12:50] <bigcalm> Yeah, I have mentioned that and he said no
[12:50] <bigcalm> Which is irritating
[12:50] <zmoylan-pi> diagonal it is :-P
[12:51] <davmor2> bigcalm: http://www.rackmountsolutions.net/standoff_rack_extender.asp
[12:52] <bigcalm> davmor2: nice idea. The door wouldn't close on the cabinet though
[12:53] <davmor2> bigcalm: that the expensive version of my idea of a bit of plastic pipe and longer screws :)
[12:54] <zmoylan-pi> put switch on roof of rack and cover with camoflage net... :-)
[12:54] <bigcalm> There are lots of options. But to get what the boss really wants means spending monies on a new switch. But I don't know if there is even a switch that does what we want at such a shallow depth
[12:54] <davmor2> bigcalm: what's actually stopping it from going back far enough?
[12:55] <bigcalm> davmor2: the back of the network cabinet
[12:55] <bigcalm> And then the wall that it's mounted to
[12:55] <davmor2> bigcalm: how much addition room do you need?
[12:56] <diddledan> I just reminded myself of "I'm so ronery": https://youtu.be/UEaKX9YYHiQ
[13:01] <diddledan> greek bailout is over 800k
[13:19] <knightwise> oh boy
[13:19] <knightwise> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuqkrFurek0
[13:19] <knightwise> i was looking for some star trek fan fic but .. this is bad
[13:23] <diddledan> knightwise: it looks like it was recorded on vhs
[13:24] <zmoylan-pi> vhs covered up a multitude of sins... :-)
[13:24] <zmoylan-pi> and wires
[13:25] <diddledan> yeah that really is terrible
[13:26] <diddledan> I can't watch any more
[13:26] <knightwise> and there are others out there that are realy realy good..
[13:26] <knightwise> not this one unfortunately
[13:26] <diddledan> lol
[13:32] <knightwise> Star trek Continues for example is quite good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJf2ovQtI6w
[13:36] <knightwise> the guy who plays scotty is in fact james doohans sun
[13:36] <knightwise> son
[13:37] <zmoylan-pi> can't we just name a sun after james doohan?
[13:37] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: that would also be appropriate
[13:37] <zmoylan-pi> and a 1000 years from now the scotty empire will rise... :-)
[13:56]  * bashrc_ likes Star trek Continues
[14:04] <knightwise> cool bashrc_ , the first and second episode is awesome
[14:04] <knightwise> they even have lou ferringo
[14:04] <knightwise> as a guest star
[14:59] <knightwise> hmmm... anyone know a good command line bittorrent client ?
[15:00] <knightwise> i'm looking at transmission-cli but its kinda hard to spot the differences between transmission cli and transmission remote cli
[15:02] <bigcalm> knightwise: any reason why it needs to be cli? Transmissiond is the one I use with a web interface
[15:06] <knightwise> Then i have to open up a port from the outside. I was thinking of doing it over ssh from the command line
[15:06] <knightwise> my synology has a web based torrent client
[15:07] <diddledan> knightwise: transmissiond with transmission-remote on the same system using loopback
[15:08] <diddledan> knightwise: the difference between transmissiond+transmission-remote vs transmission-cli is that the -cli doesn't go into the background when your terminal disappears
[15:10] <knightwise> ah ok  , but that is not a problem. I leave the terminal window open via byobu
[15:10] <diddledan> and even bigcalm's suggestion of webinterface would work over ssh - just forward the port from your local system when you ssh into the server and you'll be able to access the webinterface without exposing it to the network
[15:10] <knightwise> diddledan: true;
[15:10] <diddledan> your JSON is malformed :-p
[15:10] <knightwise> but sometimes I like to do it the geeky way :) + then i can use it off my phone should i need to .
[15:11] <diddledan> it should be { diddledan: true }
[15:11] <diddledan> even better would be to quote the "diddledan" :-p
[15:11] <shauno> diddledan.slap()
[15:11] <diddledan> so that would be { "diddledan": true }
[15:12] <knightwise> there are no limits to your nerdism
[15:12] <knightwise> :)
[15:12] <diddledan> teehee
[15:12] <shauno> (I do -daemon and -remote too)
[15:12] <diddledan> shauno: you didn't define a slap() function on the object diddledan
[15:13] <shauno> oh trust me, it's documented.
[15:13] <diddledan> lol
[15:13] <shauno> I'm not the first one that's needed that one :)
[15:13] <diddledan> be honest, you wrote the spec
[15:13] <knightwise> basically I can do transmission-cli .. and when i'm done I just close the window (and make sure that the uploads stop)
[15:17] <diddledan> https://youtu.be/aEr6K1bwIVs
[15:17] <shauno> I mostly prefer -remote because I fire it from elinks.  This way I can return to the page before the download is finished
[15:25] <knightwise> ah , shauno , that i can understand
[15:33] <diddledan> the greece bailout is nearly at 1meeleon
[15:36] <daftykins> ugh :P
[15:36] <diddledan> morning daftykins
[15:36] <daftykins> hallo!
[15:36] <diddledan> sorry, I don't understand german
[15:36] <shauno> well, there's some sense of scale.  the payment they missed was e1.5bn
[15:36] <diddledan> hallo == german for something
[15:36] <daftykins> then how did you know it was German?
[15:36] <daftykins> :O
[15:37] <daftykins> oy at my bedroom being 80F / 28C overnight
[15:37] <diddledan> ouch
[15:37] <diddledan> tis hot indeed
[15:38] <diddledan> cortana says it's 31C here
[15:38] <diddledan> right now
[15:38] <daftykins> O_O in the outdoors?
[15:39] <diddledan> that'll be in the shade
[15:39] <zmoylan-pi> in cortanas server room, in your country, in your city, in your gchq monitoring station?
[15:39] <knightwise> ah :) Star trek Continues episode 4 :)
[15:39] <diddledan> https://www.bing.com/search?q=Weather&ts=1435765172122&nclid=eYGtqq56IvybpVMajJPw3Q==
[15:39] <shauno> they don't need monitoring stations on islands.  they just have two little old ladies who know everyone's business.
[15:40] <daftykins> i don't know about you guys but i make a point of not using any voice recognition tech
[15:41] <shauno> I want to, but I haven't found anything that can grok my accent
[15:42] <zmoylan-pi> voice recognition and irish accent is a swing and a hiss
[15:42] <shauno> luckily that's one accent I don't have :)
[15:42] <daftykins> XD
[15:43] <daftykins> mmm-mmm, peshwari naan left over from last night's curry, for a late late late lunch
[15:43] <zmoylan-pi> and as someone who uses public transport i don't want to have to beat some gobdaw who's talking to their phone the entire trip
[15:43] <daftykins> too true
[15:44] <shauno> well, I wouldn't use it in public anyway.  there's a wrong place for almost every tech, doesn't mean discounting the whole thing
[15:45] <zmoylan-pi> probably a god send for disabled but apart from a few places like kiosks and receptions it should not be used in public
[15:45] <zmoylan-pi> or office cubicles
[15:48] <daftykins> just noticed they called me Deve on last nights curry order
[15:48] <daftykins> close enough
[15:48] <diddledan> deve?
[15:48] <diddledan> that's a random
[15:48] <shauno> devekins
[15:49] <daftykins> :>
[15:49] <zmoylan-pi> poor devekins didn't get their curry last night...
[15:49] <shauno> I usually use John for things like that.  I'll usually respond to it, and most countries in europe can figure it out
[15:49] <diddledan> I like bert
[15:49] <daftykins> what if someone else has that idea? :)
[15:50] <diddledan> I think the best one to use is cholmondely
[15:50] <zmoylan-pi> giving the name psycho makes deliveries faster :-P
[15:51] <daftykins> diddledan: Mr. Warner?
[15:51] <diddledan> indeed
[15:52] <diddledan> would love to hear what "random call centre" pronounces that as
[15:52] <daftykins> i had no idea what he was saying for so long
[16:31] <ChunkzZ> has ALL of the uk got a heatwave?
[16:31] <ChunkzZ> I'm burnt!
[16:32] <zmoylan-pi> scotland?
[16:32] <daftykins> :D
[16:59] <ChunkzZ> nah, west midlands. I look like a lobster!
[20:04] <diddledan> ChunkzZ: lightly browned or burnt to a cinder?
[20:17] <diddledan> greek bailout now stands at ~1.3meeleon
[20:17] <diddledan> err
[20:17] <diddledan> let me type that again
[20:17] <diddledan> greek bailout now stands at 1.13meeleon
[20:18] <foobarry> http://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/Vulcan-Bomber-photobombs-happy-couple-s-wedding/story-26816218-detail/story.html
[20:23] <diddledan> I think that's photoshopped :-p
[20:24]  * diddledan mutters something about parallax
[20:24] <diddledan> <-- clever ol' stick!
[20:24] <diddledan> parallax mutterings prove my cleverness
[22:51] <daftykins> hey guys, just been network cabling...
[22:51] <daftykins> MY FRIDGE
[22:51] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8ewxsl3e2t1na6m/AABRwvabCWsS_03wGG2h81R-a?dl=0
[22:51] <daftykins> XD


[04:45] <Awk9000> Hey guys, anyone installed the compat-wireless drivers on ubuntu for Nexus7 ?
[04:45] <Awk9000> I've got source and headers installed
[04:45] <Awk9000> i see that in the kernel config file MAC80211 and CFG80211 are set to Y
[04:46] <Awk9000> do i just have to change the config file to M for modules and then recompile the kernel?
[04:47] <Awk9000> and then I can just compile the compat-wireless drivers from source riiiiiiiiiiiiiight?
[04:47] <Awk9000> meep?
[04:50] <Awk9000> anybody....
[04:51] <Awk9000> ...up?
[08:03] <dholbach> good morning
[08:45] <dholbach> ogra: good morning - how is the raring image looking? :)
[09:15] <janimo> dholbach,  I have just installed the raring image. It needed an external keyboard here to get throught the installer
[09:15] <janimo> artifacts in X, but I use it via ssh now do do non-X stuff so it's fine for me
[09:15] <janimo> but the nux/unity bugfix is not yet in the image
[09:16] <dholbach> really? the nux/unity thing is waiting for ages now :-/
[09:51] <ogra_> dholbach, well, waiting for a nux patch
[09:51] <ogra_> oh, jani said that already :)
 dholbach: it's still being tested, this branch
[09:52] <dholbach>  dholbach: currently it diverged from trunk anyway, so I think Jay needs to re-merge it with lp:nux
[09:52] <ogra_> onboard is usable in the installer
 dholbach: since anyway it cannot be approved, as there are text conflicts ;)
[09:52] <ogra_> you just need to switch it on and switch off orca
 dholbach: I have no nexus7, but I was able to test-build it on my pandaboard and send the whole re-built unity stack it to people responsible
[09:52] <dholbach>  dholbach: so I think we might have it reviewed soon
[09:52] <ogra_> (planning to research today why it comes up that way)
[09:53] <ogra_> generally the images are fine though, apart from the unity/nux breakage
[09:53] <ogra_> the "black bar instead of panel shadow" bug is also back
[09:57] <dholbach> ogra_, but I see that in regular quantal too sometimes
[09:57] <ogra_> well, it was supposed to be fixed with the PPA packages
[09:57] <ogra_> (for quantal that is)
[09:58] <ogra_> you didnt upgrade your device with -security or -updates, did you ?
[09:59] <dholbach> ogra_, sorry I meant on, my regular laptop installation
[09:59] <ogra_> oh
[09:59] <ogra_> that surely shouldnt happen
[10:20] <ogra_> xnox, can you add the PPA URL to bug 1082364 ?
[10:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1082364 in ubuntu-nexus7 "android debugger bridge cant be install on ubuntu on nexus 7" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1082364
[10:20]  * ogra_ forgot which PPA that was in
[10:21] <xnox> ogra_: why is the PPA relevant to that bug?
[10:22] <ogra_> xnox, well, because i doubt anyone wants to SRU the package :)
[10:22] <xnox> ogra_: I only uploaded backported android-fs-tools into the virtualised PPA which has the installer which does not build for armhf. So you won't get adb on quantal through that.
[10:23] <ogra_> oh, ok
[10:23] <xnox> ogra_: or are you after mk_ext4fs for the automated cdimage? then you are free to pull source/binaries for lucid from the installer ppa.
[10:23] <ogra_> no, i'm after adb for that bug :)
[10:24] <xnox> ogra_: I could backport adb to the ppa, but I'd rather people switch to raring to get that =)))))
[10:24] <ogra_> if the user has an opportunity to get it for his release i can close it
[10:24] <ogra_> oh, indeed
[10:24] <xnox> currently there is no "easy" opportunity to get that package on quantal.
[11:07] <ogra_> xnox, https://launchpad.net/~ogra/+archive/ppa/+packages
[11:07] <ogra_> ;)
[11:09] <xnox> ogra_: phhhh..... I wonder who you bribe to get arm builders =)
[11:09] <ogra_> i use the canonical-arm-dev PPA to build them
[11:09] <ogra_> and then copy over binaries and source
[11:12] <xnox> cheat
[11:12] <ogra_> want access ?
[11:13] <xnox> not really needed so far =)
[11:14] <hrw> xnox: which package?
[11:20] <xnox> hrw: the android-tools, since the one in raring builds all of them for armhf as well, while in previous releases it was only built for x86.
[11:20] <xnox> hrw: bug ogra now built the backport in a ppa.
[11:20] <xnox> s/bug/but/
[11:20] <xnox> ^^^^
[11:35] <hrw> xnox: SRU it
[11:40] <xnox> hrw: in my opinion this change does not qualify for an SRU, but rather a backport. As it introduces new binary packges post-release. One could say it's "hardware enablement SRU" but it is pushing it, since it's hardly secure boot.
[11:41] <xnox> hrw: I'd rather encourage people to run raring and focus on raring development.
[11:41] <xnox> hrw: feel free to file SRU request if you want it in quantal/precise =) I just don't have time to work on that.
[11:44] <hrw> xnox: I use only raring for development and when someone says "I am running latest ubuntu" meaning 'last release' I laugh ;D
[11:45] <xnox> ;-)
[11:45] <xnox> hrw: but then I have to write lucid compatible code to be deployed in the DC *sigh* .....
[11:47] <hrw> augh
[11:47] <hrw> I do have 2 precise boxes - my server and router
[11:47]  * xnox bets $0.02 they were running precise before the precise release date.
[11:53] <hrw> server was natty->overic->precise in 3 days
[11:53] <hrw> build precise iirc before release
[12:04] <brendand> xnox, a whole 2c! i want in
[12:11] <xnox> brendand: well when I bet $0.07 you know I'm bluffing. It's a fine art betting multiples of small blind bets.
[12:36] <ogra_> ah, great
[12:36] <ogra_> i found the issue why orca shows up in ubiquity-dm instead of onboard
[12:42] <xnox> ogra_: share the news =)
[12:42] <xnox> bootargs?
[12:42] <ogra_> yeah, sadly
[12:43] <ogra_> (means i need to update them after install)
[12:43] <xnox> ogra_: do you need a new accessibility setting? or like a way to detect a missing keyboard?
[12:43] <ogra_> i think we have a bug open for the latter
[12:44] <ogra_> not related to ubiquity though
[12:44] <xnox> ack.
[12:44] <ogra_> no, i dont need a new function, i think the way it works is fine
[12:44] <ogra_> just need to adapt to it in my code, we need to update the cmdline anyway for UUID stuff
[13:43] <brendand> ogra-cb, what's the difference between pkexec and gksu
[13:44] <ogra_> pkexec is part of policykit and uses the policykit ACLs for access
[13:44] <ogra_> gksu is just a sudo UI
[13:47] <brendand> ogra_ - i'm not au fait with policykit
[13:47] <ogra_> well, its the default authentication technique we use for desktop apps
[13:47] <brendand> ogra_ - it looks like we'd lose the ability to customise the message shown to the user - unless that was added to pkexec
[13:47] <ogra_> since a few releases already
[13:48] <ogra_> it uses consolekit to determine your permissions
[13:49] <ogra_> gksu isnt vanishing from the archive in case you ant to use it in your app (to be able to set the shown message)
[13:50] <ogra_> but it will be removed from the default install
[13:51] <ogra_> brendand, oh, and according to the manpage you can actually set the message
[13:52] <brendand> ogra_ - speaking of problems with gksu. is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-nexus7/+bug/1078696 gone in the raring image?
[13:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1078696 in ubuntu-nexus7 "gksu does not accept sudo password on the Nexus7" [Low,Confirmed]
[13:52] <ogra_> (a bit more complex than just using a cmdline option indeed)
[13:52] <ogra_> brendand, it will be gone once gksu is gone from the image ... the bug will still be in gksu
[13:53] <ogra_> unless upstream cares to fix it i guess
[13:53] <brendand> ogra_ - oh i see, we have to create a config file to do it
[13:53] <brendand> ogra_ - at least it's possible
[13:53] <ogra_> yeah, some xml crap
[13:54] <brendand> hurray, xml :/
[13:54] <ogra_> heh
[13:54] <ogra_> awesome !
[13:54] <ogra_> my onboard fix for oem-config works just fine
[13:54] <brendand> ogra_ - so even now on the quantal preinstall image if i run my app using pkexec it will accept the password?
[13:55] <ogra_> to sad it didnt make the daily build that just started :(
[13:55] <ogra_> yes
[13:58]  * ogra_ ponders to add the slideshow back to the image ...
[13:59] <ogra_> we're size wise on the edge so i'm not sure i shoudl do that until we have found a better compression method
[13:59] <ogra_> but the installer looks so ugly
[15:37] <xnox> ogra_: new ubiquity uploaded which should allow to install from sd-card to the remaining space of the sd-card without partitioning it first on a panda.
[15:38] <ogra-cb> yeah. i saw the commits pasing by the last days already, awesome !!!!
[15:38] <xnox> ;-)
[15:51] <dholbach> mfisch, achiang: I mentioned your blog posts in one of mine - if you're not on planet ubuntu we should really get you on there :)
[15:51] <mfisch> dholbach: I'm on planet ubuntu
[15:51] <dholbach> ah great
[15:51] <dholbach> and as I mentioned earlier: some of the content could also go to ubuntu-devel@ :)
[15:51] <dholbach> and then there's the hangouts :)
[15:52] <achiang> dholbach: i'm not an ubuntu member. :(
[15:52] <dholbach> mfisch, thanks a lot for keeping everyone updated!
[15:52] <dholbach> achiang, ... yet :)
[15:52] <achiang> dholbach: want to write a testimonial for me? :)
[15:52] <dholbach> achiang, sure :)
[15:52] <dholbach> did you set up a wiki page already?
[15:53] <achiang> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlexChiang
[15:53] <dholbach> sweet
[15:53]  * achiang has been trying to become motu for like 18 months now
[15:53] <ogra-cb> wow
[15:53] <mfisch> you can be a member w/o being a motu
[15:54] <achiang> i was told by some people that i didn't have enough contributions to be a member either
[15:55] <dholbach> achiang, done
[15:55]  * achiang hugs dholbach
[15:55] <dholbach> achiang, the CC updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership to also include other forms of contributions - I think you should be well-covered now
[15:55]  * dholbach hugs achiang
[15:58] <dholbach> ok, time for the hangout
[16:02]  * lilstevie wonders if his contributions would be considered significant enough
[16:06] <achiang> dholbach: what's the url?
[16:08] <dholbach> ubuntuonair.com
[16:27] <ogra-cb> ssweeny, fyi http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/current/
[16:28] <ssweeny> ogra-cb, awesome! when did that start happening?
[16:28] <ogra-cb> early last week
[16:28] <ssweeny> oh nice
[16:28] <ogra-cb> we're still waiting for the nux fix ... so the desktop stuff is pretty broken
[16:28] <xnox> ogra-cb: wow, it built today \0/ well done =))))
[16:28] <xnox> ah.
[16:28] <ogra-cb> but you can run apps and blindly tap on the UI
[16:29] <ogra-cb> its enough for testing ...
[16:29] <ogra-cb> (as long as its not unity itself)
[18:26] <Tassadar> ogra-cb: by the way, is initrd in Raring using different compression?
[18:29] <ogra-cb> nop
[18:31] <ogra-cb> just ubuntu defaults everywhere
[18:31] <Tassadar> that is weird, i downloaded the boot.img for raring to see what is different, but gzip says it cannot extract initrd.img
[18:31] <Tassadar> gzip: initrd.cpio.gz: not in gzip format
[18:32] <ogra-cb> how did you pull it out of the bootimg ?
[18:32] <Tassadar> abootimg -x
[18:32] <ogra-cb> hmm, that should work
[18:33] <ogra-cb> oh, apparently is lzma
[18:33] <ogra-cb> must be a change in the build system
[18:34] <ogra-cb> the installed initrd is definitely gzip
[18:34] <Tassadar> yeah, it is lzma
[18:35] <Tassadar> (well, cpio.lzma)
[18:35] <ogra-cb> yes
[18:35] <ogra-cb> sorry for telling you wrong, i wasnt aware, seems to be a change in live-vuild
[18:35] <ogra-cb> *build
[18:39] <Tassadar> hmm, looks like I'm gonna have to do the same ugly thing as I did with 12.10 to multi-boot it. Well, at least I probably won't have to edit the root images


[06:45] <herophuong_> Hi
[06:45] <herophuong_> I need some help on using juju on local machine
[06:45] <herophuong_> I've followed the get started page on juju.ubuntu.com
[06:46] <herophuong_> but the agent-state of mysql/wordpress keeps on 'pending'
[06:46] <herophuong_> when I manually start the container
[06:46] <herophuong_> it says 'Permission denied - Failed to make / rslave'
[06:47] <herophuong_> what should I do now?
[09:52] <bloodearnest> heya, using pyjuju and lxc, is there anyway to disable using apt-cacher-ng?
[09:52] <bloodearnest> is the incoming lxc support for gojuju using it too?
[10:36] <bloodearnest> FWIW, adding "Acquire::HTTP::Proxy::private-ppa.launchpad.net "DIRECT";' into /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/97disable-proxy-ppa did what I needed
[12:23] <marcoceppi> bloodearnest: I don't think it will, the LXC support is being re-written (and re-architected) but I can't say for sure either way
[12:25] <bloodearnest> marcoceppi, ok thanks. Looking forward to trying it out
[12:25] <marcoceppi> bloodearnest: it's been a long wait, but I hear it's landing really soon
[14:06] <marcoceppi> Is there anything I need to do in order to get websockets to work in juju-core?
[14:25] <stokachu> using the apache2 charm how would i install files to that instance after deployment?
[14:31] <marcoceppi> stokachu: if there isn't a configuration option for like a files repo, then juju scp would be your next bet
[14:32] <stokachu> marcoceppi: ok thanks ill look at that
[14:32] <noodles775> Any charmhelpers reviewers able to look at these two MPs?
[14:32] <noodles775> https://code.launchpad.net/~michael.nelson/charm-helpers/ensure_etc_salt_exists/+merge/170546
[14:32] <noodles775> https://code.launchpad.net/~michael.nelson/charm-helpers/namespace-relation-data/+merge/170575
[14:36] <jcastro> evilnickveitch: both local and azure are landing in 1.11.3
[14:36] <jcastro> we should probably sync with thumper or mramm as far as updating the docs, etc.
[14:37] <mramm> well azure is sort of not really there yet
[14:37] <mramm> I think
[14:37] <evilnickveitch> jcastro, yeah, I saw that. I will have to go back and put in all those references to LXC i took out :)
[14:37] <jcastro> oh, I saw it in the release notes draft
[14:37] <evilnickveitch> it is in the release notes
[14:37] <mramm> it will bootstrap
[14:37] <jcastro> oh, we should be explicit about that then
[14:37] <mramm> but it will not deploy services or something like that
[14:38] <evilnickveitch> okay, we should mention it as experimental
[14:38] <mramm> I will check in and make sure the notes get updated
[14:39] <jcastro> I mean we could just mark it tech preview or something
[14:42] <jcastro> evilnickveitch: can you mail cheney and try to coordinate landing the docs at about the same day he releases? We should do a nice announcement, etc.
[14:42] <evilnickveitch> jcastro, ack#
[14:43] <marcoceppi> mramm: what's the version schema, shouldn't a new provider bump to 1.12.0 ?
[14:44] <mramm> x.odd are development releases
[14:44] <mramm> x.even are stable releases
[14:45] <mramm> major version upgrades have some some sort of backwards incompatibility in API
[14:46] <marcoceppi> mramm: awesome, thanks!
[14:57] <ehg> hi guys, what should happen when i assign an elastic IP to an ec2 instance? should goju pick it up?
[14:59] <marcoceppi> ehg: unit-get public-address will work, but it might not properly appear in the status output, I believe the public address is cached in that output
[14:59] <marcoceppi> basically, everything will work. Only juju status might not reflect the change
[15:02] <ehg> marcoceppi: ah ok. i'm asking because we rebooted an instance and it lost its elastic ip, just wondering if that's juju doing it, or something we're doing wrong
[15:02] <marcoceppi> ehg: no, that's actually something that EC2 does
[15:02] <marcoceppi> IIRC
[15:02] <ehg> ah - thanks :)
[15:03]  * ehg <-- ec2 n00b
[15:03] <ehg> is there any way to clear the juju cache?
[15:03] <marcoceppi> ehg: what do you mean by juju cache?
[15:03] <marcoceppi> For the juju status output?
[15:03] <ehg> and juju ssh
[15:04] <marcoceppi> Ah, I believe if you just use juju ssh <machine-number> instead of the service/unit denomination it'll use the correct address
[15:04] <marcoceppi> Otherwise, not that I know of
[15:05] <ehg> i seem to remember juju picking up the elastic public address, i can't remember what i did to get it to do that, maybe restarting some jujud
[15:06] <marcoceppi> ehg: it's possible, I've not really bothered too much with that though. I know the machines output will have the correct address, just the unit's public-address isn't updated (this was also several versions of juju ago that I came across it, haven't dug much in to it since)
[15:07] <ehg> marcoceppi: fair enough. i'll search for/open a bug - thanks :)
[15:28] <jcastro> hey evilnickveitch
[15:28] <jcastro> any thoughts on the developer.u.c resyndication?
[15:28] <jcastro> for the docs etc?
[15:30] <evilnickveitch> jcastro, tbh i haven't looked at it yet, busy rewriting the author docs
[15:31] <jcastro> ok
[15:49] <jcastro> charmers sync up on G+ in 10 minutes!
[15:49] <jcastro> I'll be updating ubuntuonair.com too for people who want to follow along
[15:50] <pavel> jcastro, hello, can you give me a link?
[15:50] <jcastro> I am firing it up now
[15:50] <jcastro> I'll paste it in here in a minute
[15:51] <pavel> jcastro, ok thanks
[15:52] <arosales> jcastro, any way developer.u.c can just pull from the docs bzr branch?
[15:52] <jcastro> yeah probably
[15:52] <jcastro> I think I might just selectively pull
[15:52] <arosales> that we it is just happens with out us having to maintain another location.
[15:53] <arosales> s/we/way/
[15:53] <jcastro> don't worry, I'll make sure we don't do that
[15:53] <jcastro> anything I figure out will be based on one canonical location of the docs
[15:53] <arosales> jcastro, much appreciated
[15:54] <jcastro>
[15:54] <arosales> evilnickveitch, fyi for Azure it probably won't need any changes to the docs yet. I"ll confirm with the red squad, but I don't think it is ready for the docs just yet.
[15:54] <jcastro> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/4e37f79d5ad469b475340d826e93cf3df4d64227?authuser=0&hl=en
[15:54] <jcastro> for anyone wanting to participate today ^^^^
[15:54] <jcastro> in about 5 minutes
[15:55] <jcastro> everyone else if you just want to listen  in on the charm meeting you'll just go to ubuntuonair.com
[15:58] <marcoceppi> http://pad.ubuntu.com/7mf2jvKXNa
[16:31] <kirkland> fyi, 404: https://juju.ubuntu.com/Interfaces/mount
[16:32] <kirkland> I'm trying to use nfs and the mount interface
[16:32] <kirkland> there's a number of pages that link to that address
[17:05] <bbcmicrocomputer> marcoceppi: thanks for reviewing the liferay charm :)
[17:05] <marcoceppi> bbcmicrocomputer: no problem!
[17:07] <jcastro> evilnickveitch: where do people file bugs on the maas docs?
[17:08] <evilnickveitch> jcastro, the MAAS docs are included in the source, so they just file them on the project page
[17:10] <evilnickveitch> jcastro, why? do you have a bug?
[17:10] <jcastro> someone pinged me
[17:10] <jcastro> He's filing a bug
[17:11] <evilnickveitch> cool
[17:17] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1202314
[17:17] <_mup_> Bug #1202314: discrepancy between docs and behavior <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1202314>
[17:18] <jcastro> evilnickveitch: ^
[17:54] <jcastro> http://blog.scraperwiki.com/2013/07/17/weve-migrated-to-ec2/
[17:54] <jcastro> \o/ and they're using Juju!
[17:56] <marcoceppi> jcastro: Awesome!
[18:22] <arosales> go ScraperWiki !
[18:22] <arosales> jcastro, thanks for the link
[18:25]  * marcoceppi compiles latest juju, looks forward to local!
[18:34] <stokachu> marcoceppi: local w/lxc?
[18:40] <marcoceppi> stokachu: local lxc and juju-core!
[18:41] <stokachu> marcoceppi: nice! let us know how it goes i may try it out
[18:59] <jcastro> marcoceppi: LXC report please!
[18:59] <jcastro> also, liferay
[18:59] <marcoceppi> meeting
[19:22] <jcastro> hey marcoceppi
[19:22] <marcoceppi> jcastro: yo
[19:22] <jcastro> kirkland wants to do shared NFS storage like we do for wordpress for his charm
[19:22] <kirkland> marcoceppi: howdy
[19:23] <marcoceppi> kirkland: o/
[19:23] <kirkland> marcoceppi: yeah, I need a basic charm, that uses NFS, for read/write shared filesystem storage across all units
[19:24] <marcoceppi> kirkland: WordPress implements the "mount" interface http://jujucharms.com/interfaces/mount which is provided by the nfs charm (and a few others not in the store yet)
[19:24] <marcoceppi> kirkland: did you just need an example, or did you have a question in particular?
[19:25] <kirkland> marcoceppi: I'd like a charm to clone, as a template
[19:25] <kirkland> marcoceppi: and then modify to my needs
[19:25] <kirkland> marcoceppi: how do I branch the wordpress charm?
[19:26] <marcoceppi> kirkland: if you have charm-tools installed you can use `charm get wordpress` otherwise you can use bazaar with `bzr branch lp:charms/wordpress`
[19:26] <marcoceppi> The WordPress charm is mildly confusing in it's setup. It's the result of pushing bash to it's limits as a language
[19:28] <kirkland> marcoceppi: is there a simpler charm that uses nfs for me to start from, then?
[19:28] <marcoceppi> OwnCloud might be a better example of a more wholistic view on how to handle the mount interface http://jujucharms.com/charms/precise/owncloud though it doesn't do a very good job of data preservation (ie, if the mount relation is broken there's really no data recovery and the mount point isnt removed)
[19:29] <marcoceppi> kirkland: owncloud is the only other charm that's actually in the store that uses the mount interface, so it's your next bet
[19:30] <jcastro> nfs shared storage seems like something we would do as a "cookbook snippet" kind of thing for charm authors
[19:30] <melmoth> actually, there are others http://jujucharms.com/interfaces/mount
[19:31] <marcoceppi> melmoth: those aren't actually reviewed though, so not "officially" in the charm store
[19:32] <marcoceppi> Definitely exist as examples, but take them as you would a grain of salt
[19:35] <kirkland> jcastro: yeah, I would think nfs and mysql should be the two brain dead simple integration points
[19:36] <jcastro> there's ceph in there too if you want to totally use a naval cannon on a nail.
[19:38] <AskUbuntu> Is it possible to use Juju without having sudo access on local machine? | http://askubuntu.com/q/321252
[19:39] <jcastro> heh, timely question
[19:39] <marcoceppi> jcastro: got juju-core compiled, about to give local access a go
[19:40] <jcastro> marcoceppi: save your history so we can use that as the docs for local
[19:40] <marcoceppi> jcastro: ack
[19:42] <jcastro> marcoceppi: toss it in an etherpad when you're done, I'd like to try it too
[19:43] <marcoceppi> jcastro et all, here's the compile instructions: http://pad.ubuntu.com/rzudQRvsmw
[19:47] <jcastro> on it now!
[19:53] <marcoceppi> jcastro: havent' gotten it to work for me yet
[19:53] <marcoceppi> but those are the compile instructions
[19:53] <jcastro> I am still downloading
[20:06] <kirkland> marcoceppi: okay, I've written my charm;  it's in a directory locally;  what's the current syntax for deploying from my local directory?
[20:06] <kirkland> error: Environments configuration error: /home/kirkland/.juju/environments.yaml: environments.openstack.default-image-id: required value not found
[20:07] <kirkland> meanwhile, juju also told me that that was deprecated
[20:07] <marcoceppi> kirkland: what version of juju are you using, what provider are you using?
[20:07] <marcoceppi> `juju version` (or `juju --version`)
[20:07] <kirkland> marcoceppi: ii  juju-core                                 1.11.2-3~1414~raring1                amd64        Juju is devops distilled
[20:07] <kirkland> wait
[20:08] <kirkland> kirkland@x230:~/src/charms$ which juju
[20:08] <kirkland> /usr/bin/juju
[20:08] <kirkland> kirkland@x230:~/src/charms$ what-provides juju
[20:08] <kirkland> juju-core: /usr/bin/juju
[20:08] <kirkland> kirkland@x230:~/src/charms$ juju --version
[20:08] <kirkland> juju 0.7
[20:08] <kirkland> ???
[20:08] <marcoceppi> kirkland: that explains that
[20:08] <marcoceppi> and jcastro says update-alternatives aren't important
[20:08] <kirkland> marcoceppi: shouldn't those two conflict?
[20:09] <roaksoax> i think jamespage is handling the packaging
[20:09] <roaksoax> now
[20:09] <kirkland> jamespage: !
[20:09] <kirkland> :-)
[20:10] <kirkland> marcoceppi: okay, I'm purging juju and juju-0.7
[20:10] <marcoceppi> kirkland: no, you'll want to do this: `sudo update-alternatives --config juju`
[20:11] <marcoceppi> just select the proper juju version, 0.7 and 1.X can live side by side
[20:11] <kirkland> marcoceppi: shouldn't I be able to just purge it?
[20:11] <marcoceppi> kirkland: technically, maybe. I'm not sure how the packaing works entirely
[20:11] <kirkland> kirkland@x230:~/src/charms$ sudo update-alternatives --config juju
[20:11] <kirkland> update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for juju
[20:11] <marcoceppi> kirkland: heh
[20:11] <kirkland> marcoceppi: I'm reinstalling
[20:11] <roaksoax> purging it should work
[20:11] <marcoceppi> kirkland: ack
[20:11] <kirkland> okay, I'm going now
[20:11] <marcoceppi> update-alternatives worked at one point
[20:13] <kirkland> marcoceppi: okay -- now, I'm ready to deploy my charm from my local directory
[20:14] <kirkland> marcoceppi: and i'm on: kirkland@x230:~/src/charms$ juju version
[20:14] <kirkland> 1.11.2-raring-amd64
[20:14] <marcoceppi> kirkland: can you just give me the output of pwd from inside your charm's source directory?
[20:14] <kirkland> marcoceppi: /home/kirkland/src/charms/john
[20:15] <marcoceppi> kirkland: so, if your charm is named "john", you'll need to add a series directory between charms and john, /home/kirkland/src/charms/precise/john
[20:15] <marcoceppi> as this'll be a local repository now
[20:16] <kirkland> okay
[20:16] <marcoceppi> aftera a successful bootstrap, you'll need to run the following:
[20:16] <kirkland> marcoceppi: k
[20:17] <marcoceppi> `juju deploy --repository /home/kirkland/src/charms local:john` which will default to the LTS series (precise) and look for the john charm in the "local" repository defined as /home/kirkland/src/charms
[20:18] <marcoceppi> jcastro: there's a patch needed to get bootstrap working
[20:18]  * marcoceppi ducks
[20:24] <kirkland> marcoceppi: okay, good, deployed
[20:24] <kirkland> marcoceppi: and I deployed nfs
[20:24] <kirkland> marcoceppi: now I need to add the relation?
[20:24] <marcoceppi> kirkland: now you should just need to `juju add-relation nfs john`
[20:25] <marcoceppi> You can inspect the deployments by shelling directly in to them with juju ssh john/0 or juju ssh nfs/0 (<service>/<unit num>)
[20:25] <marcoceppi> there's a log in /var/log/juju/unit*.log that shows you the hook output if you need to debug things
[20:27] <kirkland> marcoceppi: okay, nice, I have john and nfs up, related, and john has mounted the nfs volume
[20:27] <marcoceppi> kirkland: nice!
[20:28] <marcoceppi> kirkland: what you can do now is `juju add-unit john` you'll get another john unit (john/1) and when it spins up it'll be mounted to the same NFS point
[20:28] <kirkland> marcoceppi: right
[20:28] <marcoceppi> each subsequent unit will get the same relation stuff, etc
[20:28] <kirkland> marcoceppi: that's the idea ;-)
[20:28] <marcoceppi> kirkland: sweet, let us know if you have any other questions!
[20:41] <marcoceppi> jcastro: http://i.imgur.com/RfhvxBv.png
[20:56] <thumper> jcastro: morning
[20:56] <thumper> jcastro: there are a few rough edges with the local provider
[20:56] <jcastro> thumper: wanna hop on G+ and sync up?
[20:57] <thumper> jcastro: in particular addressing, but also the containers don't restart with the machine yet
[20:57] <thumper> sure
[20:57] <thumper> jcastro: you start one?
[20:57] <jcastro> yeah one sec
[20:57] <jcastro> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/b99ee2ffdc84a9d7b0fb2eb8e45c88e1c65c771c?hl=en
[20:58] <jcastro> marcoceppi: ^^^


[23:15] <MadDucky> cizarr, try using another repository and/or chek you CD/DVD
[23:16] <HigH5> It's 7.10 server edition.
[23:16] <sandgrai2> cizarr: it took a long time on that part for me
[23:16] <havoque> P_Kable are you using the "ati" open source driver in /etc/X11/xorg.cong under device section
[23:16] <DaveC> I have installed ubuntu gutsy 64 and blender crashes whenever i go to camera view
[23:16] <Odd-rationale> DaveC: Just ask you questio and see what happens
[23:16] <ToddEDM> thanks for the quick help on the compiz manager... i was on the phone with my nephew.... he thinks im so smart ;)
[23:16] <drifterz> Anyone know where I can get help for my audio problem, no one here has a soulution and I can't find any help on google forums ect. I see others with the problem and no solutions. Any ideas, brainstorms, links?
[23:16] <P_Kable> MilitantPotato, I have Mesa DRI even with the desktop effects off ...
[23:16] <cizarr> sandgrai2: how long please?
[23:16] <P_Kable> havoque, radeon
[23:16] <riotkittie> ToddEDM: hahah.
[23:16] <dissection> Jupp2: It says /dev/hda no such file or directory
[23:16] <ToddEDM> lol
[23:16] <cizarr> sandgrai2: ive waited 20-30min
[23:16] <revx> i have a cinelerra extracted to a new directory..twas tar.bz2 package before...please help on how to install or configure such app.
[23:16] <P_Kable> havoque, same thing with ati
[23:17] <ToddEDM> does dialup work ok with ubuntu?
[23:17] <sandgrai2> cizarr: i cant say.. i left the comp "thinking" and went out to do some other stuff :P
[23:17] <havoque> P_Kable bump, sorry
[23:17] <Jupp2> dissection instead of /dev/hda try /dev/cdrom
[23:17] <cizarr> it like it looking for Mirror? am i have to be connected to the interenet maybe?
[23:17] <dissection> ToddEDM: Yes
[23:17] <cizarr> oh :)
[23:17] <ToddEDM> dissection: excellent....
[23:17] <esjayafk> exit
[23:17] <sandgrai2> cizarr: probably more than an hour.. my net is slow though
[23:17] <P_Kable> havoque, bump ??
[23:17] <dissection> Jupp2: Still the same, /dev/cdrom no such file or directory
[23:18] <feliz> lol
[23:18] <havoque> can't help you, i'm a newbie too
[23:18] <cizarr> i see
[23:18] <cizarr> well, lets give another shoot :d thanks
[23:18] <revx> i have a cinelerra extracted to a new directory..twas tar.bz2 package before...please help on how to install or configure such app.
[23:18] <sandgrai2> cizarr: yw :)
[23:19] <Pici> revx: look for an INSTALL or README file in the new directory
[23:19] <KuKus> hi where is de room of ubunto spanish
[23:19] <Pici> KuKus: #ubuntu-es
[23:19] <MilitantPotato> P_Kable: join #compiz-fusion and ask them why compiz turns indirect rendering on
[23:19] <lammy_> can someone help me installing a lan-disk under gudsy gibbon - i don't know the fdisk-stuff ..
[23:19] <KuKus> tanks man
[23:19] <MilitantPotato> P_Kable: go double check, I may be mistaken.
[23:19] <revx> there was no readme or install on that extracted file..gushhh
[23:20] <P_Kable> MilitantPotato, compiz works fine but glxgears is really choppy and slow
[23:20] <revx> i got kopete running but i cant connect using my yahoo account...but using pigdin wil it goes smooth...????
[23:21] <ToddEDM> sh!t, there is gonna be kids coming to my door soon
[23:21] <astro76> revx, pidgin working fine with yahoo here
[23:21] <astro76> !ohmy | ToddEDM
[23:21] <ubotu> ToddEDM: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[23:21] <WorkingOnWise> Hi. Why would a atheros wifi card that worked fine for weeks, showing 45 to 55% signal strength consistantly, would suddenly show either 1-3% or 97-100% signal strength and not able to connect at all to the router? I am on the same laptop now but using a dlink pc card, so the software seems fine.
[23:21] <Odd-rationale> I encrypted my hard drive with the alternative cd. Will I have any trouble if ever needed to do a fresh install?
[23:22] <revx> yes pigdin is OK but i want a messenger that supports webCam like aMSN...
[23:22] <daniele_> hello i'm italia
[23:22] <ToddEDM> WorkingOnWise: i used to have that problem... i had to go reset my router
[23:22] <Vad> Hello. I have an odd problem with the forums - I can see the Absolute beginners section, and the Other community discussions right below it, with no 'main support' category -anywhere-. Where can I find it?
[23:22] <sandgrai2> is there any "trick" to use rc.local properly? i cant make it work for some reason..
[23:22] <ToddEDM> revx: kopete
[23:22] <chetnick> does awn and affinity work fine on gutsy?
[23:22] <daniele_> no
[23:22] <Vad> awn works fine in gutsy.
[23:22] <HigH5> Hm, that's funny. I can login thru SSH from my other server (thru SSH), but not directly from my workstation.
[23:22] <dissection> Jupp2: Are you still here?
[23:22] <revx> Kopete is what i need...gyachi nahhh ser is some sort of dependncy error
[23:22] <Vad> chetnick: not sure about affinity, it's not being developed anymore.
[23:22] <revx> yes KOPETE
[23:22] <lammy_> how can i get a new sources.list for gutsy
[23:22] <WorkingOnWise> ToddEDM: you had the problem with one nic but not another?
[23:22] <chetnick> ok
[23:23] <chetnick> thanks Vad
[23:23] <daniele_> i'm italian
[23:23] <HigH5> What am I missing here?
[23:23] <daniele_> you?
[23:23] <Jupp2> dissection, yes
[23:23] <Jupp2> dissection, try lshw as root
[23:23] <ToddEDM> WorkingOnWise: no i just had one user
[23:23] <MilitantPotato> P_Kable: you have to disable Compiz before doing other 3d related stuff
[23:23] <Jupp2> dissection, "sudo lshw > output.txt"
[23:23] <daniele_> qualcuno parla italianooooooo???
[23:23] <sandgrai2> lammy_:it may be deactivted on system>administration>software sources
[23:23] <P_Kable> yes
[23:23] <daniele_> ubuntu is bitc
[23:24] <WorkingOnWise> ToddEDM: well, I can reset the router and see. thanks
[23:24] <ToddEDM> np
[23:24] <daniele_> ke?
 thanks
[23:24] <MilitantPotato> P_Kable: especially if you have older hardware I guess
[23:24] <ToddEDM> WorkingOnWise:  what model router??
[23:24] <FluxD> daniele_: we are here to make it not be one :)
[23:24] <P_Kable> MilitantPotato, I see but why was it different in edgy and feisty ??
[23:24] <sandgrai2> lammy_:yw :)
[23:24] <MilitantPotato> P_Kable: Different drivers? I've no idea.
[23:24] <FluxD> !it | daniele_
[23:24] <ubotu> daniele_: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[23:24] <P_Kable> no radeon ... the same
[23:25] <whatzup> anyone have an eta for ardour 2.1.1 reaching backports?
[23:25] <MilitantPotato> P_Kable:  sudo apt-get remove xserver-xgl
[23:25] <daniele_> ok grazie
[23:25] <WorkingOnWise> ToddEDM: WRT54g
[23:25] <daniele_> ma tu come mi capisci?
[23:25] <ToddEDM> WorkingOnWise: same as mine
[23:25] <revx> got disoriented with this package type tar.bz2 tar.gz...please help im a newbie really confused of the terminal. i have that cinelerra-2.1-src.tar.bz2
[23:26] <kaefert> hey guys! im trying to set up my dell inspiron 1520 on ubuntu and i couldnt find any linux drivers on dells site and i would apriciate some help where to continue my search
[23:26] <P_Kable> MilitantPotato, Package xserver-xgl is not installed, so not removed
[23:26] <Jupp2> daniele_, is not hard to tell it's italian, ciao!
[23:26] <P_Kable> I run radeon drive MilitantPotato
[23:26] <biggahed> revx, tar -zxvf cinelerra-2.1-src.tar.bz2
[23:26] <kaefert> ah i forgot to write, my problem are the audio drivers
[23:26] <P_Kable> no fglrx
 wat drivers r u looking for ?
[23:27] <Jupp2> dissection, did you run the lshw?
[23:27] <P_Kable> just like I was on edgy and feisty MilitantPotato
[23:27] <MilitantPotato> P_Kable: yea, I was just checking, I've no idea.  do you have git installed?
[23:27] <revx> is it possible to put the file on the desktop?
[23:27] <P_Kable> I use svn, but I can install git
[23:27] <P_Kable> what for ?
[23:27] <biggahed> cp file ~/Desktop
[23:27] <kaefert> tiftine - im searching for audio drivers
[23:27] <daniele_> allora se mi kapite xk me ne dv andare?
[23:28] <ToddEDM> i had all my scanned pictures on my hdd, the originals were lost in a housefire , now that i installed ubuntu over the entire disk, i think they may be lost...
[23:28] <tifine> hey i  want to install the ubuntu on apple macbook is it possible ?
 aren't there backport-repos for gutsy? i replaced feisty with gutsy for that im my sources.list ...
[23:28] <fluffman> hey, what does segmentation fault mean when trying to apt-get install something?
[23:28] <boontoo> hello im having some real problems after the 7.10 update, things are going slow, very slow any ideas why? is there some sort of ubuntu error scanner i can use to fix problems?
[23:28] <Doug52392> hi
[23:28] <biggahed> revx, you should do some basic linux tutorial, when you get some free time.
[23:28] <MilitantPotato> biggahed: won't he need to compile that source package?
 i m using the dell as well i dont think u need audio driver anyway what chipset is   ?
[23:28] <preaction> fluffman, it means something really REALLY bad happened: your system libs are messed up, or your executables are compiled wrong. what did you do?
[23:28] <P_Kable> MilitantPotato, what do you want me to DL et compile through git ?
[23:28] <SeanTater> biggahed: .bz2 requires -j not -z
[23:28] <XiXaQ> is it safe to set all xdg-user-dirs to $HOME if you don't want to use separate directories for everything?
[23:29] <daniele_> Jupp2 nn fare tanto lo sperto
[23:29] <MilitantPotato> git clone git://anongit.opencompositing.org/users/crdlb/fusion-icon && cd fusion-icon && sudo make install
[23:29] <Gatestone> What's the preferred way to use KDE on my basic Gutsy? Install some meta-package with Synaptics and then keep using GDM to switch between session of Gnome and KDE?
 but the backport-repos couldn*t be found ...
[23:29] <revx> ok
[23:29] <SeanTater> biggahed: just a hint :P
[23:29] <fluffman> preaction: i'm trying to get sound to work on an ancient dell latitude cpi
[23:29] <dissection> Jupp2: my lshw output: http://www.nomorepasting.com/getpaste.php?pasteid=5912
[23:29] <astro76> Gatestone, yes install kubuntu-desktop, I'm not sure if that enables kdm or keeps gdm, but you can use either one
[23:29] <blizzkid> Gatestone, sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[23:29] <fluffman> i follow directions that said to enable some extra kernal modules in /etc/modules
[23:29] <fluffman> would that do it/
[23:30] <biggahed> MilitantPotato, i dont know. Will he?
[23:30] <biggahed> SeanTater, revx> got disoriented with this package type tar.bz2 tar.gz
[23:30] <biggahed> SeanTater, i just skipped the other, but youre correct
[23:30] <preaction> fluffman, not "what are you doing", "what did you do?". the most common reason for segfault is the libraries on your system are incompatible with the executables
[23:30] <kaefert> tifine - how to find out? i couldnt find the audio card in the hardware list
[23:30] <MilitantPotato> biggahed: yes
[23:30] <SeanTater> biggahed: np, just here to help
 did u installed the window complete ?
[23:30] <daniele_> We do not understand anything in this conversation but at least rispondetemi!
[23:31] <ToddEDM> how do i find dns server name
[23:31] <MilitantPotato> daniele, what language?
  if yes then did u try to run any mp file ?
[23:31] <preaction> fluffman, not unless those kernel modules are buggy. old laptops are not good candidates for linux installations usually, full of proprietary hardware
[23:31] <Doug52392> I have been on my new computer which has Fedora 7 on it, and recently dug my old laptop out, which has Ubuntu Linux on it, but its been so long since I've used it that i can't remeber my password. I am logged in as root now, but I would like to use my other user name. How do I change my user name while logged in as root?
[23:31] <daniele_> italian
[23:31] <kaefert> install what window? another question, how to whisper in IRC?
[23:31] <MilitantPotato> #ubuntu-it
[23:31] <SeanTater> ToddEDM: if you ping it , the ping command will tell you..
[23:31] <fluffman> preaction: shoot...I don't remember what all I've tried today
[23:31] <preaction> ToddEDM, less /etc/resolv.conf <- has the IPs of the DNS servers your system is currently using
 ubuntu
[23:31] <SeanTater> ToddEDM: Oh -- I misunderstood
[23:31] <blizzkid> Doug52392, man passwd
[23:31] <biggahed> MilitantPotato, I just read one screen. didnt see if he said anything about compiling.
[23:31] <ToddEDM> my nephew is trying to get online with dialup ... he needs to know his DNS server name
[23:31] <preaction> fluffman, then you might be in a "reinstall" position. if you don't remember what you did, you might not be able to undo it...
  window -> ubuntu ?
[23:31] <fluffman> preaction: i think it happened after uninstall a failed java install
[23:32] <SeanTater> ToddEDM: You can find it in /etc/resolv.conf
[23:32] <kaefert> yes i installed it completly
[23:32] <biggahed> revx, what you need is tar -xjvf to uncompress that package
[23:32] <MilitantPotato> daniele_: sorry that was empty X(
[23:32] <MilitantPotato> !italian
[23:32] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[23:32] <MrPink> /join #compiz-fusion
[23:32] <preaction> fluffman, if you were installing from the repositories, it should never happen
  just try to run any audio cd
[23:32] <kaefert> but the sound doesnt work
[23:32] <fluffman> i haven't done any compiling, everything was from the repos
[23:32] <MilitantPotato> !italian | daniele_
[23:32] <ubotu> daniele_: please see above
[23:32] <sandgrai2> lammy_:they are also disabled :P
[23:32] <Jupp2> dissection, sorry don't know what to tell you looks like ubuntu is now seeing you dvd at all. keep asking in the chanel, sorry
   wat error messages do u get ?
[23:32] <SeanTater> ToddEDM: That's where it would be if it's already set up. In most cases you can use your router if you have one, and otherwise, DHCP should fill it in for you..
[23:32] <P_Kable> MilitantPotato, what is this fusion-icon ??
[23:32] <preaction> ToddEDM, it won't be a "name", it will be an IP address. you can't resolve a DNS "name" until you have a DNS server, so you need the DNS server's IP address
[23:33] <revx> already uncompress the package, whats next? cant see readme or install
[23:33] <SeanTater> ToddEDM: If nothing else, AOL.com or other website will tell you, as most ISP's have their own
[23:33] <MilitantPotato> P_Kable: an easy way to control compiz, see if you can uncheck Indirect Rendering.
[23:33] <fluffman> i guess i'll just reinstall and try again...this will make 3 or 4 of them on this laptop, lol
[23:33] <fluffman> thanks, preaction
[23:33] <fluffman> :D
[23:33] <dissection> Thats what I'm doing two months :[
[23:33] <P_Kable> MilitantPotato, it is installed but I don't know what to do
[23:33] <dissection> *since
[23:33] <MilitantPotato> P_Kable: run fusion-icon
[23:33] <daniele_>
[23:33] <daniele_> Ke's someone speaks italianoooooo
[23:33] <sandgrai2> lammy_:its in the same place, just another tab
[23:33] <kaefert> the error reads "es konnten keine GStreamer-Plugins und/oder Geräte für Mischpultelemente gefunden werden."
[23:33] <SeanTater> !it | daniele_
[23:33] <ubotu> daniele_: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[23:34] <dissection> Can anyone help me get my cd/dvd drive to work in Ubuntu?
[23:34] <MilitantPotato> P_Kable: right click the icon by the time, choose Compiz Options, is Indirect Rendering greyed out?
[23:34] <daniele_> ok
  oh man it is not with the audio problem it is with the media player u using it
[23:34] <TUXedomember> how do i share my dvd drive over the network?
[23:34] <daniele_> ma come
[23:34] <daniele_> ?
  anyways just do one thing first
[23:34] <blizzkid> daniele_, /join #ubuntu-it
[23:34] <astro76> daniele_, type /join #ubuntu-it
  try sudo apt-get update
[23:34] <daniele_>
[23:34] <daniele_> Ok, but how can I? ? I want to chat
[23:35] <daniele_> what?
[23:35] <zetheroo> when trying to mount a USB Hard Drive I frequently get an error telling me that I need to disable it from a Windows machine in the proper fashion.... is there a way around this? I do not have a Windows machine!
[23:35] <P_Kable> MilitantPotato, yep it is greyed
[23:35] <kaefert> well the error comes already when i try to adjust the sound volume, not when i start a player
[23:35] <MilitantPotato> zetheroo: unmount it before you unplug it
[23:35] <daniele_> i love you
[23:35] <P_Kable> that menu reminds me beryl MilitantPotato ;)
  one sec
[23:35] <MilitantPotato> P_Kable: join #compiz-fusion
[23:36] <daniele_>
[23:36] <daniele_> Fool
[23:36] <MilitantPotato> P_Kable: they'll be able to explain why it's doing that in more detail.
[23:36] <daniele_> foll
[23:36] <daniele_> foll
[23:36] <zetheroo> MilitantPotato: ummm... I just said I do not have a Windows machine
[23:36] <Pir8> I have two drives one of them is where all my downloads are (NTFS) and another one is a personal portable drive (USB). So sometimes when I start ubuntu it will detect and mount the NTFS drive and sometimes it wont, but it almost always mounts the USB drive.
[23:36] <amaia> hi, i am having problems with high cpu i/o times putting my laptop unusable... is there any tool to check wich process is doing this?
[23:36] <astro76> !ot | daniele_
[23:36] <ubotu> daniele_: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[23:36] <boontoo> After the 7.04 fiesty to 7.10 ubuntu im finding  my computer really lagy any ideas?
[23:36] <kaefert> i ran that line "sudo apt-get update" but it didnt change anything
[23:36] <Pir8> Is that normal ?
  okie how about you install another player for the audio i m using it
[23:36] <MilitantPotato> zetheroo: have you used that drive in linux before?
 let try that one
[23:36] <zetheroo> MilitantPotato: yes
[23:37] <Pir8> do I need to configure/set something specific in addition to what ubuntu does to mount/find the NTFS drive ?
[23:37] <MilitantPotato> zetheroo: before you unplugged it, did you unmount it?
[23:37] <daniele_> foll
[23:37] <daniele_> foll
[23:37] <SeanTater> amaia: most system monitor programs will tell you which processes are in Disk Sleep
[23:37] <daniele_> foll
[23:37] <daniele_> foll
[23:37] <blizzkid> daniele_, basta!
[23:37] <zetheroo> MilitantPotato: yes....
[23:37] <Jimd1> militantpotato:  i was just thinking.  If you lost a battle would that mean you are mashed or fried?
[23:37] <MilitantPotato> !spam | daniele_
[23:37] <ubotu> daniele_: Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See !AskTheBot, !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam - and most importantly, use common sense :-)
[23:37] <Mandrivaboy2008> everybody hates ubuntu
[23:37] <astro76> !ops | daniele_
[23:37] <ubotu> daniele_: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok or Pici
[23:37] <Mandrivaboy2008> it sucks balls
[23:37] <raar> Hi, I just installed ubuntu on my laptop and can't get internet access to work, eth0 doesn't have an ip address from the dhcp server but eth0:avah does... however when I try to ping anything (even my router) it tells me 'Destination Host Unreachable'.. what could be wrong?
[23:37] <Mandrivaboy2008> kinda like you guys
[23:37] <astro76> !ops | Mandrivaboy2008 too
[23:37] <ubotu> Mandrivaboy2008 too: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok or Pici
 ?
[23:37] <SeanTater> amaia: If you want to measure your hard drive usage install the package "sysstat" and then run -> iostat -mxd 3 <- and wait until about the third readout
[23:38] <zetheroo> MilitantPotato: but if someone borrows it and plugs it into a Windows machine and then fails to remove it properly, I am unable to mount the drive in Linux.....
[23:38] <dissection> Can anyone help me get my cd/dvd drive to work in Ubuntu?
[23:38] <amaia> SeanTater, the gnome system monitor doesnt have any info about i/o
[23:38] <Jimd1> mandrivaboy2008:  is jealous
[23:38] <amaia> SeanTater, gonna install that one
[23:38] <MilitantPotato> zetheroo: there's a repair command somewhere, let me look it up
[23:38] <Jimd1> mandrivaboy2008<-is jealous
[23:38] <SeanTater> amaia: Install and run htop then
[23:38] <zetheroo> MilitantPotato: ok...thanks
  just install xmms
[23:38] <daniele_> ubotu foll
[23:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about foll - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:38] <daniele_> foll
[23:38] <gcarrillo> i love ubuntu
[23:38] <daniele_> foll
  sudo apt-get install xmms
[23:38] <daniele_> foll
[23:38] <blizzkid> daniele_, BASTA!!
[23:39] <tifine> i love ubuntu 2
[23:39] <daniele_> i love ubuntu
[23:39] <gcarrillo> hehe
[23:39] <SeanTater> amaia: scratch that, don't bother with htop
[23:39] <amaia> :D
[23:39] <amaia> already installed
[23:39] <SeanTater> amaia: If you don't mind KDE, try ksysguard
 when did u install the ubuntu ?
[23:39] <amaia> ok
[23:39] <kaefert> okey, and what am i installing there?
[23:39] <kaefert> ähm maybe 2 hours ago
[23:40] <amaia> SeanTater, installing ksysguard
[23:40] <tifine> u r just installing a audio player
[23:40] <MilitantPotato> elkbuntu: ty
  did u do the sudo apt-get update   and then sudo apt-get upgrade
[23:40] <boontoo> After the 7.04 fiesty to 7.10 ubuntu im finding  my computer really lagy any ideas?
[23:40] <SeanTater> raar: tell us in a pastebin entry what this command -> ifconfig <- says
[23:40] <dissection> Can anyone help me get my cd/dvd drive to work in Ubuntu?
[23:40] <kaefert> yes
[23:40] <SeanTater> amaia: :)
[23:40] <tifine> alrite good good man
[23:41] <raar> SeanTater: okay
[23:41] <tifine> now just install the thinga as i said it above
[23:41] <kimguru87> hey guys anyone has used "Apt On CD" software i need some help regarding resoring packages on my friend's pc
[23:41] <amaia> SeanTater, im running ksysguard and it has a tree with a "disk throughput"
[23:41] <blizzkid> kimguru87, you mean using apt-get with cd-repo's?
[23:42] <amaia> SeanTater, but inside i find a bunch of 1:0 1:1 1:2 and so on... which is what??
[23:42] <Jimd1> what's the command to change your name in irc?
[23:42] <SeanTater> amaia: I don;t know, I've never gotten anything but 0 from any of those
[23:42] <amaia> :D
[23:42] <blizzkid> Jimd1, /nick
[23:42] <amaia> thats nice
[23:42] <amaia> running  iostat -mxd 3
[23:42] <SeanTater> amaia: I've often tried to track down which process is using IO, but I've never found any to be effective
[23:43] <Jimdb> thanks blizzkid
[23:43] <SeanTater>  /any programs/ that is
[23:43] <blizzkid> np Jimdb
[23:43] <kaefert> tifine - i did
[23:43] <aguitel> how install some program with the live cd to de disk ?
[23:43] <arnducky> kimguru87, it's very simple.  It backs up repos to CD/DVD disc or IS
[23:43] <amaia> SeanTater, ok that my problem too then... iostat doesnt give me a process list... just the numbers
 alrite now can u please try to run any audio file let see
[23:44] <zim> hi all just a quick Q is sourceforge.net broken or is it my pc
[23:44] <Jimdb> had two meltdowns today.  after restarting i couldn't get any icons on my desktop and ubuntu was unresponsive.  I ultimately had to delete the .compiz config files.  then just now I had an issue where my windows started freezing up when I launched pidgin.  I had to uninstall and reinstall it.
[23:44] <SeanTater> amaia: I thought there was a command for listing open files, but I can't seem to find it.. It should tell you which ones are related to which process, unfortunately, it also does not show throughput
[23:44] <jewbilee> zim: it loads on my computer
[23:44] <zim> :)
[23:44] <zim> ty
[23:44] <jewbilee> np
[23:44] <nickrud> SeanTater: lsof ?
[23:44] <blizzkid> zim, my first bet would be to try other websites...
yes i know but after restoring packages are not installed how can i install them
[23:45] <arnducky> SeanTater, lsof
[23:45] <amaia> lsof is good
[23:45] <kaefert> ähm in the upper right corner there is this audio icon, and it has this red cossed circle and if i try to turn the sound on it brings me the error message i wrote you
[23:45] <SeanTater> arnducky: thanks, you said that just as I found it
[23:45] <amaia> but does it measure the quantity of i/o by process?
[23:45] <SeanTater> nickrud: thanks too
[23:45] <SeanTater> amaia: that's what I was looking for
[23:45]  * nickrud feels all warm now :)
[23:45] <ConstyXIV> can you lock windows to desktops?
[23:45] <SeanTater> amaia: I don;t know atm
[23:46] <arnducky> kimguru87, you have to add the CD/DVD or mounted .ISO file as a source for apt
[23:46] <zim> anyone in here in the uk and on bt bband
[23:46] <nickrud> ConstyXIV: you can use devilspie to do that
[23:46] <jewbilee> What language would you guys suggest for good program development?  All i know is a little bit of java but I would like to try and learn more
[23:46] <zim> can you try http://www.sourceforge.net/
[23:46] <Jimdb> is there a way to add a right click menu entry to mount .iso files (and unmount them)?
[23:46] <arnducky> either edit your sources.list or use a package manager to add it (hint Gnome has an applet called 'Sources')
[23:47]  * SeanTater could still use nickrud's help
 and how can i do this?
[23:47] <nickrud> Jimdb: you can create a script that would do that
[23:47] <ConstyXIV> jewbilee: if youre sticking with java, use eclipse or netbeans
[23:47] <jewbilee> not IDEs, another language to try and learn
[23:47] <Jimdb> nickrud:  know of any known scripts that I can just add to my script folder?
[23:47] <jewbilee> im looking for language suggestions
[23:47] <nickrud> SeanTater: I've looked for a throughput meter also, but no luck
[23:47] <SeanTater> nickrud: Do you know any way to pinpoint which processes are utilizing disks?
[23:47] <tifine> jewbilee: i think eclipse is more advance but i m interested more in netbeans
[23:47] <rafael__> hello. i have wireless here
[23:47] <ConstyXIV> jewbilee: python python python
[23:47] <arnducky> kimguru87, Gnome: 'System' --> 'Administration' --> 'Software Sources'
[23:48] <SeanTater> nickrud: :-|
[23:48] <rafael__> but in the boot that never find the network config
 ok
[23:48] <jewbilee> Consty: really?
[23:48] <rafael__> i need to cancel that and after the login the wireless connect
[23:48] <rafael__> what can i do ?
[23:48] <tifine> jewbilee: I think Java is the best
[23:48] <zim> is anyone here in the uk on bt bband can you try http://www.sourceforge.net/ as i can connect to any other site just not http://www.sourceforge.net/ so im guessing it a DNS thing
[23:48] <ConstyXIV> jewbilee: yeah, it's pretty slick IMHO
[23:48] <kishan> i read the ubuntu kills laptp harddrive is it true,i want to know does enabling acip-tools at start up has a impact on the powermanagement
[23:48] <Skeesh> how do I set up a system so another system can netboot off it? the directions on the wiki are over my head
[23:48] <nickrud> Jimdb: I've found a few scripts on http://g-scripts.sourceforge.net/ that I've used
[23:48] <blizzkid> zim, nslookup
[23:48] <ConstyXIV> jewbilee: a good bit of the stuff in ubuntu's written in python
[23:48] <Gatestone> Can I use my Kingston secure USB thumb? It has this exe file that needs to be run on Windows to open the encrypted part, and Kingston does not support Linux for that, as far as I know....
[23:49] <Puppy_> How do I find out what my cdroms are called (like cdrom1 or cdrom2)?
[23:49] <blizzkid> Gatestone, have you tried google?
[23:49] <MilitantPotato> zim: DNS issue it seems, the website works for me.
 I m sorry that is the best i can help you with that but if you interested in installing or trying any update software then here is the url for that https://help.ubuntu.com/
[23:49] <nickrud> Jimdb: and it has http://g-scripts.sourceforge.net/nautilus-scripts/File%20System%20Management/Mount_Image :)
[23:49] <MilitantPotato> zim: i'm in the USA though.
[23:49] <zim> ty
[23:50] <ivan> hi how do i set background image with a command?
[23:50] <arnducky> kimguru87, then you have to select packages individually and install.  APTonCD does not support 'restore' scripts yet but they're working on it.   One thing you can do with Synaptic though is save your package markings to a file and then open it to restore the system -- this should work well with an APTonCD repository
[23:50] <kishan> Gatestone, i think it will not work in linux but u can install other encryption methods which are compatable with linux
[23:50] <SeanTater> amaia: ah ha!
[23:50] <amaia> ?
[23:50] <SeanTater> amaia: google seems to indicate atop os what we are looking for, and the repos have it
[23:50] <SeanTater>  /os/is/
[23:50] <amaia> ... trying
[23:51] <sickclown> Hello All, Looking for help with MySQL installation - I get access denied when I try to give it a root password on the initial setup
[23:51] <amaia> atop gives me "No disk-activity figures available; request ignored!"
[23:51] <amaia> :(
[23:52] <zim> Server:         <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:52] <zim> Address:        <IP_ADDRESS>#53
[23:52] <zim> ** server can't find http://www.sourceforge.net/: SERVFAIL
[23:52] <mneptok> zim: do not paste to the channel
[23:52] <zim> sorry about the muli liner
[23:52] <ivan> any 1 know command for changing background, i am running larswm need to modify my xsession
[23:52] <Skeesh> how do I set up a system so another system can netboot off it? the directions on the wiki are over my head
[23:52] <Puppy_> How do I find out what my computer calls my cdroms? Anyone?
[23:53] <Gatestone> kishan: thx for the hint. I'll take a look at more standard ways to encrypt USB thumb drives.
[23:53] <blizzkid> Puppy_, cd /media && ls
[23:53] <SeanTater> amaia: try installing this: kernel-patch-atopcnt
[23:53] <spasticteapot> Anyone else have the problem where they can't adjust their screen brightness of their laptop?
[23:53] <amaia>  This information can only be shown when kernel patch ‘cnt’ is installed.
[23:53] <zim> that was from my office  on another provider (demon) but both in the uk
[23:53] <nickrud> Puppy_: ls -l /dev/cdrom
[23:53] <Puppy_> blizzkid: thanks!
[23:53] <amaia> ya
[23:53] <blizzkid> yw Puppy_
[23:53] <ToddEDM> how do  iget my gDesklets to come on at startup?
[23:53] <Puppy_> thanks nickrud!
[23:54] <zim> is any one here in the UK on demon or
[23:54] <nickrud> Puppy_: two different answers, both true, you choose which is the one you needed :)
[23:54] <mneptok> amaia: sudo apt-get install bonnie++ dbench
[23:54] <zim> BT
[23:54] <OldPink> Guys, if you don't mind, any quick help with this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3680575#post3680575
[23:54] <sickclown> Hello All, Looking for help with MySQL installation - I get access denied when I try to give it a root password on the initial setup
[23:54] <davf> Where/can I d/l the latest gutsy generic kernel tree?
[23:55] <nickrud> davf: install linux-source-2.6.22 , it'll end up as a tarball in /usr/src
[23:55] <OldPink> Using dd. Taking from sda1 to image.raw took 90 minutes. Now putting image.raw onto a different sda1 has taken, so far, four hours, with time still going. Is this right, or should I just cancel? More info inc. terminal: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3680575#post3680575
[23:55] <Milkinator> can anyone in here help me with audio?
[23:55] <MilitantPotato> OldPink: What's your CPU usage at?
i am a newbie so plz dont mind this stupid question .suppose i have created iso and burned it to cd.what line should i add to source.list to fetch packages from cd
[23:55] <amaia> SeanTater, i need to reboot for the patch to apply right?
[23:55] <davf> nickrud - but I the compiled with source .deb
[23:56] <Puppy_> I need help... I have a cdrom that won't eject.
[23:56] <SeanTater> amaia: Dunno -- sounds right
[23:56] <amaia> mneptok, this is to benchmark the disk i/o capacity right?
[23:56] <davf> nickrud: I don't want to recompile the whole thing. just 2 wireless drivers
[23:56] <amaia> mneptok, im looking for other stuf
[23:56] <OldPink>  MilitantPotato:3.11, 2.69, 2.22 over the past 1, 5, 15 minutes
[23:56] <MilitantPotato> OldPink: you're doing a whopping 1mbps that is really, really slow, 50x slower then the average drive can read
[23:56] <SeanTater> amaia: modprobe doesn;t seem to have a module for it
[23:57] <kslater> runmode 5, switch to a tty, can't login, don't even get prompted for password, just immediate Login Incorrect message. Any clues to check?
[23:57] <Gatestone> BYW, thx for everybodt here. I think this channel is the second best reason to use Ubuntu. The package/repo system is the best.
[23:57] <amaia> SeanTater, k... reboot it is
[23:57] <amaia> brb
[23:57] <MilitantPotato> OldPink: do you have hdparm ?
[23:57] <OldPink> MilitantPotato: 1mbps read, surely that's still around 0.5mbps write, in which case, it would end one hour ago?
[23:57] <amaia> SeanTater, txs for your time
[23:57] <NewBlue> yeah beat that Old Pink
[23:57] <maniaxmax> My Compiz Fuzion splash screen used to be transparent when it loaded up and now its not, anyone know a fix for this?
[23:57] <Jessid> hello. I have a big problem. I installed a wireless driver in a laptop and now it does not starts the system. Please, somo of you have any idea how to undo what i did???? Is it possible to do that using a live cd??? thanks a lot!!!
[23:57] <NewBlue> Its the new and improved blue!
[23:57] <OldPink> NewBlue: LOL
[23:57] <Skeesh> how do I set up a system so another system can netboot off it? the directions on the wiki are over my head
[23:58] <OldPink> MilitantPotato: Sorry, no idea about hdparm
[23:58] <DrX> how do i fix "failed to mount cd:///?devices=/dev/sdb" ???
[23:58] <DrX> (drive is mounted at /mountpoint rw)
[23:58] <MilitantPotato> OldPink: it lets you test the read speed of drives
[23:58] <OldPink> MilitantPotato:I think it's screwed
[23:58] <jellymaster> Hey is anyone good with wireless here? I got my Card working finally and it says it's connected and receiving internet but I can't use the internet :(
[23:59] <MilitantPotato> OldPink: and edit a couple performance settings, but either way, that should of finished long ago.
[23:59] <OldPink> MilitantPotato:Surely 4 hours is waayy to long?
[23:59] <OldPink> MilitantPotato: Anything I should have done before root@matt-desktop:/home/matt# dd if=/image.raw of=/dev/sda1 ?
[23:59] <OldPink>
[23:59] <MilitantPotato> 5.5gb...  is it writing to disk at all?
[23:59] <bulmer> is there an option on wget to retrieve all the files in a dir, where I dont need to type each name?