[03:25] <heeen> sddm-greeter does not come up anymore
[03:25] <heeen> how can I debug this
[03:49] <heeen> Cannot create platform OpenGL context, neither GLX nor EGL are enabled
[03:49] <heeen> how the heck did qt end up like this
[04:12] <virtuosoj> downloading Ubuntu 16.04 daily now
[04:13] <virtuosoj> having mained Ubuntu 15.10 and Fedora 23, what is going to be new to me?
[05:47] <Phoenixxl> Hey. I was wondering if a development/daily version of ubuntu server upgrades to a release version by updating/upgrading it after release date without the need for reinstalling.
[05:47] <Phoenixxl> I am contemplating installing  16.04 for a new server for a few minor tasks instead of installing 14.04 then release upgrading it next month..
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> !final | Phoenixxl
[05:49] <Phoenixxl> ok thank you.
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> Phoenixxl: just keep in mind if you install 16.04 now, things can still break
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> Phoenixxl: should not be used for production yet
[05:50] <Phoenixxl> i'm not going to install anything critical on it.
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> Phoenixxl: can still breakage
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> Phoenixxl: safest way would be 14.04 ==> 16.04 on final release
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> Phoenixxl: or clean install 16.04 on final
[05:51] <Phoenixxl> I can also simply wait a month ..
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> Phoenixxl: but if you wanna help testing, be our guest mate
[05:51] <Phoenixxl> I don't want to end up doing twice the work
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> we always need bugging out
[05:52] <Phoenixxl> I might do that ...
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> might be nice to know if all your services work
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> if not quick bug before release
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> !bug
[05:52] <Phoenixxl> I've installed it and noticed the belgian keyboard detaction still isn't fixed.. it crept up after release 12
[05:53] <Phoenixxl> I put in a bug report with 14 but it still hasn't been fixed
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> Phoenixxl: i have .be also, but im on desktop here
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> Phoenixxl: make a new one for 16.04 please, it might get new attention
[05:53] <Phoenixxl> I'll do that.
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> great thank you
[05:53] <Phoenixxl> it was fine in 12
[05:53] <Phoenixxl> yw
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> you can mention the whole story, wich versions worked and not
[05:54] <Phoenixxl> I'll do that right now.
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> nice
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> Phoenixxl: but make sure you test this on a fresh 16.04 right
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> Phoenixxl: upgrades from previous can still get too messy
[05:55] <Phoenixxl> I did an install in a fresh vm 2 days ago that's where i noticed it
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> ok great
[06:27] <Phoenixxl> lotuspsychje, I hit the same snag as last time when I tried to report it.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/console-setup/+bug/1358596
[06:27] <Phoenixxl> I have no idea what the program is called
[06:28] <Phoenixxl> searching for keyboard detection generally come sup with reconfigure console / keyboard answers
[06:28] <Phoenixxl> since I'n sure the detection routine is never installed with the OS
[06:31] <Phoenixxl> I'm in an installer busybox shell now , looking for the ubuntu server install script now. maybe i can extrapolate from there when i find it. if it even is a script
[06:43] <Phoenixxl> I'll have another fresh look tomorrow. My morning free time is over . thnx again for the earlier feedback  lotuspsychje
[07:12] <soupnanodesukar> what's the qt5 lib version in xenial? I'd ask ubottu, but its wiki is down.
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> !info qt5 xenial
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> !find qt5
[07:57] <soupnanodesukar> !info libqt5gui5
[07:57] <soupnanodesukar> ok, thanks
[08:45] <jonascj> Hibernate and suspend in Ubuntu 16 without root privileges, can that be done with systemd?
[08:45] <jonascj> The old "dbus-send --system --print-reply \ --dest="org.freedesktop.UPower" \ /org/freedesktop/UPower \ org.freedesktop.UPower.Hibernate" seem to no longer work
[09:47] <jonascj>  /join #linux
[09:49] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:26] <Ian_Corne> updating from 14.04 to 16.04, ofcource I forget to do the update process in a TTY + tmux session, x crashes
[10:26] <Ian_Corne> :p
[10:28] <Ian_Corne> who was the person with the UTC issues?
[10:45] <Ian_Corne> having kde installed on the system as well, was not a good idea
[10:45] <Ian_Corne> dependency issues during update
[12:51] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:57] <steve_fi> hey, I did some updates to my machine running Xenial today and I'm pretty sure Compiz is b0rked ... I log in and "see" my desktop, but I don't see the unity side bar and the gnome bar at the top.
[13:58] <steve_fi> at first, it removed my nvidia-361 drivers package and used Nouveau after the first reboot, however, I reinstalled the drivers and rebooted again and I've been stuck with the same issue
[13:58] <steve_fi> I can install MATE and Gnome and use those absolutely fine though
[13:58] <steve_fi> I have an output of my Syslog here: https://paste.ee/p/dstdE
[13:59] <steve_fi> I've checked all my logs, including the Xorg one and they all seem OK, no errors that I can see
[14:02] <steve_fi> I can see all 4 of my desktop icons and I can launch things, but I cannot move the windows and I'm also certain none of the keyboard shortcuts work
[14:08] <lotuspsychje> steve_fi: did you upgrade from a previous version?
[14:09] <steve_fi> lotuspsychje, Yeah, it's been upgraded from every version since 11.10
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> steve_fi: its not recommended yet to upgarde, install fresh to test and bug
[14:11] <lotuspsychje> steve_fi: we need to be sure its not a weird leftover before we start file a bug
[14:11] <steve_fi> lotuspsychje, Yeah, I upgraded it to fix another problem I had with 15.10. In all honesty, I don't mind reinstalling, it's just that if it's a bug, I'd rather report it
[14:11] <lotuspsychje> steve_fi: yeah, you would help the community out this way
[14:12] <lotuspsychje> steve_fi: so in april, we have a clean 16.04
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> steve_fi: i would testout some different drivers on a clean 16.04 and see what happens
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> steve_fi: your card is optimus?
[14:14] <steve_fi> lotuspsychje, ok, I'll give that a go. I have a spare SSD which I can use anyway
[14:14] <steve_fi> lotuspsychje, no, it's a GTX 680
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> ok great, good luck mate
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> steve_fi: xenial working like a charm on my desktop here
[14:16] <steve_fi> lotuspsychje, are you using the nvidia 361 series drivers?
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> no, ati here
[14:17] <lotuspsychje> steve_fi: you could try 361-updates too
[14:17] <steve_fi> Yeah, that's what I have installed now
[14:17] <lotuspsychje> ok then go for fresh :p
[14:18] <steve_fi> thanks for the help lotuspsychje :)
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> no sweat
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> belgianguy: http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-recommends-open-source-amdgpu-and-radeon-drivers-for-ubuntu-16-04-lts-501556.shtml
[14:40] <belgianguy> lotuspsychje: I see :) thanks! I'll have a look
[14:41] <k1l_> k1l_> belgianguy: amd itself is swithcing von fglrx to amdgpu <k1l_> ubuntu is just the first linux to ship the new xorg-server version that will not get any fglrx.
[14:41] <k1l_> i dont know why everyone is writing ubuntu is dropping support. amd dropped support in the first place. its not like ubuntu got a chance there
[14:42] <belgianguy> k1l_: true, I don't see it as a bad thing though, amdgpu seems a lot healthier and oriented towards open-source than fglrx ever was
[14:42] <belgianguy> and tbh fglrx could be a pain at times
[14:43] <lotuspsychje> belgianguy: there is also #gamingonlinux to chitchat about latest stuff if you like
[14:43] <belgianguy> What I don't know is that if amdgpu is just a renamed fglrx, or a totally different beast
[14:43] <lordievader> k1l_: Sensation writing, probably.
[14:43] <k1l_> belgianguy: its a different beast. and open source, iirc.
[14:44] <k1l_> fglrx is just a black box that amd was kind enough to give to linux users
[14:44] <belgianguy> k1l_: ah I see, and the Vulkan part is yet another component then, not included by default?
[14:45] <belgianguy> k1l_: fglrx has served me well :) I've only had to drop to root shell a few times because the installer stopped midway
[14:45] <belgianguy> then again, those were good learning experiences
[14:45] <lotuspsychje> belgianguy: can this help? http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-16-04-lts-to-ship-with-full-support-for-vulkan-in-mir-display-server-500543.shtml
[14:46] <belgianguy> lotuspsychje: thanks :) I don't have that many games on Steam yet, but I'm saving up for a few
[14:46] <belgianguy> lotuspsychje: that looks like a great resource from the title alone
[14:47] <lotuspsychje> belgianguy: well your on your own, to seperate facts and sensations :p
[14:48] <belgianguy> lotuspsychje: yeah, I'm informing myself :p and I have a pretty good understanding of what's about to happen
[14:49] <belgianguy> it's just that I need to know for sure, as the graphics stack of this machine (HP EliteBook) has been quite nefarious in the past
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> hey MonkeyDust
[14:50] <MonkeyDust> lotuspsychje
[14:50] <MonkeyDust> one failed 16.04 install, after i copied backup/etc/ to /etc/
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> belgianguy: you might wanna wait until final perhaps to install
[14:51] <belgianguy> yeah, this machine has quite outgrown the "just do things nature" and is now the daily driver, might be wise to sit it out for some time
[14:52] <belgianguy> and look up reviews or news about supported hardware
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> belgianguy: not very recommended as daily driver yet, things can still break right
[14:54] <belgianguy> lotuspsychje: yeah, I understand, I should know better, but I'm also very curious :p
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> belgianguy: no sweat :p
[14:57] <belgianguy> Anyone knows Canonical's stance on control, privacy and respect of the OS it's offering? In light of the actions of competitors as of recent, it could be a big boon.
[14:58] <MonkeyDust> cannot change terminal's tab title yet
[14:58] <MonkeyDust> and cannot set a background image in terminal
[14:58] <belgianguy> while there's also been talk about Convergence, I don't see it as having immedeate influence, contre as those factors mentioned above
[14:59] <belgianguy> contrary*
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> belgianguy: http://www.ubuntu.com/legal/terms-and-policies/privacy-policy
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> belgianguy: 16.04 will remove online search from dash too
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: how did you install exactly?
[15:03] <belgianguy> lotuspsychje: ah, that's good news, I often got attacked on that online search point, didn't do much good in hindsight (a lot of "spyware, they do it too" arguments)
[15:03] <MonkeyDust> lotuspsychje  usb, fresh install, had backupped /home/ and /etc/ ... separate /home/ partition ... all ok ... recovered /etc/ and X fails after that
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: the /etc was also xenial before?
[15:04] <MonkeyDust> no
[15:04] <MonkeyDust> 14.04 trusty
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: think that might corrupted
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> xenial not ready to upgrade from trusty
[15:04] <MonkeyDust> works now... break+repair=best
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:05] <MonkeyDust> :)
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> how did you fix
[15:05] <MonkeyDust> reinstall again, left /etc/ alone ... only /etc/squid3/ is recovered ... all fine
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> belgianguy: we dont look at it as 'spyware' the user could disabled it
[15:06] <MonkeyDust> if you know it's there, it's not spyware
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> +1
[15:09] <belgianguy> I know, I never turned mine off, it's ok, it's just wrt Windows 10 being so aggressive and forced as of late, I often recommend people to give Ubuntu a fair shake
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> and we will takeover the world :p
[15:10] <belgianguy> lotuspsychje: and Mars, too.
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> belgianguy: not sure my eth cable reaches to it :p
[15:11] <belgianguy> lotuspsychje: not mentioning what bad pings you'd get in multiplayer :p
[15:12] <belgianguy> but I really do think a lot of people could be helped by Ubuntu, and if a company is doing its darndest to scare them away, I hope they could land again on Ubuntu
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> belgianguy: alot of users landing already on ubuntu
[15:14] <belgianguy> lotuspsychje: great to hear!
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> belgianguy: and 16.04 release will be huge for sure
[15:17] <belgianguy> lotuspsychje: yeah, great times ahead
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> indeed
[15:36] <MonkeyDust> that was one 'yes' too many
[15:53] <PtrPiotr> hi, I want to see 16.4 with snappy. I downloaded iso for 16.4 beta, but it seems it uses deb packages; Is it possible to get snappy version?
[16:10] <varaindemian> do you guys recommand using do-release-upgrade while I am on 14.04 lts?
[16:16] <flocculant> some might - I wouldn't
[16:17] <flocculant> whether you'd get hit by similar bugs to ones they're seeing in -desktop I don't know, but you might
[16:19] <flocculant> not tried that personally - but update-manager -d is crashing half way
[16:37] <MonkeyDust> varaindemian  do-release upgrade will not work, you have to wait until 16.04.1 is released
[16:45] <varaindemian> MonkeyDust, so do-release upgrade -d will upgrade to 15.10?
[16:45] <varaindemian> or to the beta version?
[16:49] <BluesKaj> varaindemian, no -d won't upgrade to 15.10 since it's not a devel OS
[16:49] <varaindemian> BluesKaj, so it will upgrade to 16.04 beta
[16:51] <BluesKaj> yes , but since there are so many kde/plasma changes between 14.04 and 16.04 it might be messy
[16:51] <BluesKaj> if you have a /home partition and choose to keep it
[16:52] <BluesKaj> with a clean install
[16:53] <BluesKaj> do-release-upgrade -d will probly take a long time ...haven't tried it myself
[16:54] <Mia> Hey all
[16:54] <Mia> does unity have crasking problems in xenial
[16:54] <Mia> mine just crashed and even after reeboot it fails to restart
[16:55] <steve_fi> Hi Mia, I had a similar problem today and I've had to log in with the Gnome Fallback mode for now
[16:55] <BluesKaj> varaindemian, recommend a clean install if you want 16.04 at this point
[16:55] <Mia> steve_fi, oh okay
[16:56] <Mia> so maybe I should switch back to 15.10 for now
[16:56] <Mia> or mayb even 14.04
[16:57] <steve_fi> Mia, I'm going to try reinstalling later to see if it's a legacy problem that I have. However, if you have no problems with 15.10 or 14.04, then it might be better to switch back for now
[16:58] <Mia> 15.10 is problem-free as well ?
[16:58] <Mia> is there any benefit of using 14.04 over 15.10
[16:58] <steve_fi> It should be
[16:58] <MonkeyDust> my background went black in unuty, couldnt click anything ... was solved after waitging 2 minutes
[16:59] <Mia> MonkeyDust, bor my case it's eactly the opposite
[16:59] <MonkeyDust> Mia  14.04 is longer supported
[16:59] <Mia> background was there, everything else vanished
[16:59] <Mia> and hwne I rebooted I saw the top menu for a second, than it vanished again
[16:59] <steve_fi> That's the problem that I had Mia
[16:59] <MonkeyDust> Mia  in 16.04? then you know it's unstable
[16:59] <Mia> when I do ctrl alt t and type unity, if fails to start
[16:59] <Mia> yes 16.04
[16:59] <Mia> yeah I think I'll go back to a stabl release
[17:00] <Mia> I thought 16.04 was unity 8 anyway
[17:00] <Mia> that was the reason I wanted to test it out
[17:01] <steve_fi> If there's multiple people affected by the problem and you can live with the Fallback mode for a few days, it might get fixed relatively quickly
[17:02] <Mia> steve_fi, how do you go back to fallback mode
[17:03] <steve_fi> At the login screen, where you type your password, there should be a little Ubuntu icon. You can select what session you log into. I have one that said something along the lines of "Gnome Fallback (compiz)"
[17:04] <steve_fi> once you've selected it, you can type your password and login
[17:07] <steve_fi> if it's not there, you can get to the terminal by hitting ctrl + alt + f1 and then doing "sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback"
[17:07] <steve_fi> and once you reboot, it should be there
[17:12] <Mia> thanks steve_fi
[17:13] <steve_fi> no problem Mia :)
[17:26] <salamanderrake> I messed up the other day and tried to intall kubuntu-full(or complete or what ever) and set sddm as default login, now I fixed my system but I can't add lightdm to the default runlevel
[18:23] <ChibaPet> salamanderrake: I don't think you want runlevels. This is a brave new world with bad software driving the car, and you want systemctl set-default graphical.target
[18:23] <salamanderrake> oh ok thanks
[18:24] <ChibaPet> The other thing that might be useful (dunno) is dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
[18:25] <salamanderrake> I will try it now.
[18:25] <ChibaPet> It should invoke the horrid update-alternatives scripting to select lightdm instead of kdm, if I'm reading scrollback correctly.
[18:55] <jushur> salamanderrake: you dont set it to runlevel? you just disable kdm and enables lightdm?
[19:14] <salamanderrake> Why do  I  need Nvidia prime installed
[19:16] <salamanderrake> And x complaining about Nvidia version mismatch
[19:18] <salamanderrake> EE failed to load module Nvidia module requirements mismatch
[19:22] <salamanderrake> EE open /dev/dri/card0 no such file or directory
[19:33] <salamanderrake> OK drivers from ppa were outdated,  x was updated now desktop is only picture of background
[19:35] <salamanderrake> No metacity but it works in guest login
[19:36] <salamanderrake> Alt-F2 does not even work
[19:38] <MonkeyDust> printscreen doenst work either
[19:39] <salamanderrake> Nope
[19:39] <salamanderrake> Nothing
[19:40] <salamanderrake> ok, I was able to right click start a terminal on the desktop
[19:40] <salamanderrake> no borders on the terminal or quassel-client
[19:44] <salamanderrake> what is the default window manager on ubuntu?
[19:45] <salamanderrake> oh, and google-chrome has a border that I can move around.
[19:54] <salamanderrake> I think I may have fixed it, not sure yet
[23:51] <marchesini> hey guys, i get a error when i try install the kubuntu-desktop inside the ubuntu 16.04. i think some package is broken, i try "apt-get install -f" and get this out-put http://paste.ubuntu.com/15367822/
[23:52] <marchesini> i don't want install the kubuntu now, because my computer a x86 don't have the resources to run, but i can't install any application after this. how i can repair this error?
[23:54] <marchesini> i mean, how command i run to rollback this installation? and purge the kubuntu-desktop


[05:39] <Kilos> morning all
[05:42] <nhaines> Morning, Kilos.
[06:21] <PotatoGim> Hi all.
[06:21] <Kilos> hi PotatoGim


[00:49] <ScottK> Needs to be fixed first.
[00:53] <ScottK> kipi-plugins and digikam updated in Debian Experimental.
[00:53] <ScottK> Having a look.
[00:54] <markey> apachelogger: Skype session coming up
[00:54] <markey> get headset and cocaine and booze ready, as usual
[02:59] <apachelogger> anyone alive?
[03:05] <nigelb> apachelogger: No.
[03:05] <apachelogger> nigelb: wanna sype with markey and me?
[03:06] <nigelb> apachelogger: sype?
[03:06] <apachelogger> www.skype.com :P
[03:09] <jjesse> no
[03:10] <apachelogger> jjesse: dont wanna join?
[03:10] <jjesse> haha
[03:10] <jjesse> just lagged
[03:10] <jjesse> was responding to the no no one was alive
[03:10] <jjesse> wish i had time, busy w/ work projects
[03:10] <jjesse> cram time before end of year
[03:12]  * nigelb has to get to work :(
[03:14] <apachelogger> poor fellas you are
[03:14] <apachelogger> :(
[03:41] <ScottK> Kipi Plugins uploaded.
[05:31] <ScottK> digikam uploaded too.
[05:31] <ScottK> Someone might want to put them in the backports PPA.
[09:24] <Riddell> good morning Kubuntu!
[09:26] <valorie> winter greetings, Riddell
[09:27] <skfin> Happy holidays(if you have any)
[09:28] <valorie> hi skfin
[09:29] <skfin> Hey valorie
[09:38] <Riddell> thanks for doing digikam/kipi ScottK
[09:57] <jussi> ScottK: I found out I have a T02!. and it now runs maverick :)
[09:57] <Riddell> jussi: what's one of them?
[09:57]  * Riddell compiles the new kdepim beta
[09:57] <jussi> Riddell: its the efika arm machine
[09:58] <jussi> Riddell: the previous hw revision to current - I thought it was even older than that
[10:00] <Riddell> and you just had one lying around without knowing it?
[10:01] <jussi> Riddell: no, I had the impression it wasnt a t02, but older.
[10:04] <Riddell> oh, kdepim beta needs kdepimlibs rc which dirk hasn't got round to tagging
[10:27] <steveire> I used to be able to cd ~ && cp ../steph<TAB> to get stephen autocompleted. Was that deliberately removed for 10.10 ?
[10:28] <steveire> Now I have to finish writing stephen myself before I can autocomplete subdirectories
[10:30] <Riddell> I doubt anything any deliberately removed, it could be a regression in bash
[10:30] <Riddell> or in bash-completion
[10:33] <steveire> Ok
[10:37] <steveire> bug 693331
[10:53] <valorie> bash-completion has always been patchy for me
[10:53] <valorie> sometimes works, sometimes doesn't
[11:24] <apachelogger> oggy oggy oggy
[12:03] <Mamarok> the kdepim packages are still held back here, anything I should do to get them in? (Maverick, 4.6. beta 2)
[12:03] <Riddell> Mamarok: pim 4.4 or 4.6?
[12:04] <Mamarok> 4.4 of course
[12:04] <Riddell> held back when you do what?
[12:04] <Mamarok> update
[12:06] <Mamarok> it apparently waits for 4:4.8-0ubuntu2~maverick1~ppa3 packages
[12:06] <Mamarok> to be installed, but only ~ppa2 are available
[12:11] <Riddell> ok I'll look into that
[12:11] <Riddell> yofel mentioned it before
[12:15]  * Riddell spots http://websvn.kde.org/tags/KDE/4.5.90/
[14:29] <ScottK> Riddell: No problem.  Since it was in Debian, it was ~easy.
[14:30] <ScottK> jussi: Congratulations.
[14:30] <ScottK> Riddell: Based on what's been said on the packager's list, I think kdepim 4.4.9 will work with the new akonadi.
[14:31] <ScottK> (of course we don't have 4.4.9 yet either)
[14:35] <Riddell> ScottK: yeah, the crash I had yesterday has been fixed in svn and as far as I can tell svn 4.4 branch version is all good now
[14:36] <Riddell> !ninjas
[14:36] <Riddell> ooh it worked
[14:36] <Riddell> if somewhat out of date
[14:37] <ScottK> Is that for the RC?
[14:37] <ScottK> Should probably ping at shadeslayer even though he'll claim he's busy with exams, as usual.
[14:38] <Riddell> he might fail his exams get kicked out of university and lose his internet connection, then we'd be sorry
[14:40] <ScottK> More likely get held back a semester so he stays a student even longer before he gets sucked up by some job and forgets about us.
[14:44] <shadeslayer> lol ^^
[14:44] <ScottK> steveire: What architecture are you running?  If you have a few moments, I'd be glad to give you step by step instructions for downgrading CMake to test the SRU.
[14:44] <shadeslayer> ScottK: im not looking to do a job in the near future, more studies!!!
[14:44] <ScottK> shadeslayer: So packaging instead of studying for exams helps your goals too.
[14:45] <shadeslayer> well ... no .. i have to pass my B.Tech to do a MS
[14:46] <ScottK> The sooner you pass, the sooner you're out of school.
[14:47] <shadeslayer> the sooner i pass, the sooner i get into another school ;)
[14:48] <shadeslayer> im not getting into a full time job for another 3 years atleast
[14:49] <ScottK> Right.  Without studying you could make it four easily.
[14:49] <jjesse> i crammed 4 years into 5 years in college
[14:49] <jjesse> was difficult but i did it
[14:50] <ScottK> jjesse: You use dropbox, don't you?
[14:50] <jjesse> yes
[14:50] <jjesse> love it
[14:51] <ScottK> jjesse: What would you think of http://trichard-kde.blogspot.com/2010/12/introducing-dropbox-integration-for.html
[14:51] <droidslayer> ScottK: I currently hate my uni..  they all pro ms supporters...  no foss stuff whatsoever...  I just want to get out of here :-P
[14:51] <jjesse> that would be cool
[14:51] <ScottK> droidslayer: Just remember they are all dinosaurs walking around dead, but they don't know it.
[14:52] <ScottK> jjesse: If I package it, would you test it?
[14:52] <jjesse> yes sir, natty or maverick?
[14:52] <droidslayer> Ooh dropbox plugin
[14:52] <ScottK> jjesse: Whatever you've got.
[14:52] <jjesse> got vms of both
[14:52] <ScottK> OK.  We'll want to test both.
[14:52] <droidslayer> I didn't sign up for it because there was no dolphin support B-)
[14:52] <droidslayer> :-P
[14:53] <trichard> droidslayer: currently you still need or the nautilus plugin or kfilebox to download the dropbox daemon
[14:54] <droidslayer> trichard: ohhh...  no standalone stuff?
[14:54] <trichard> btw, the 64 bit package from the blogpost was built with Kubuntu 10.10
[14:54] <droidslayer> :-(...  its a improvement atleast
[14:55] <trichard> droidslayer: no, this plugin just shows the sync status and custom context menus
[14:55] <droidslayer> Ohk.  .
[14:55] <ScottK> New bluedevil.
[14:55] <trichard> if the demand is high i could actually integrate kfilebox in the plugin
[14:55] <droidslayer> trichard: thanks tho...
[14:55]  * ScottK doing
[14:55] <Riddell> E: pycompile:240: Requested versions are not installed
[14:55] <droidslayer> Maybe make it a gsoc project?
[14:55] <Riddell> is there a solution to that?
[14:56] <droidslayer> :-P
[14:56] <Riddell> upgrading to natty not so great
[14:56] <ScottK> trichard: Would you be interested in making an official Kubuntu package of it (I'd mentor you)?
[14:56] <droidslayer> Riddell: welcome to the group...
[14:56] <trichard> ScottK: That sounds good :)
[14:56] <ScottK> Riddell: Were you up to date from maverick-updates before you upgraded?
[14:56] <droidslayer> I'm currently Stuck between upgrades
[14:56] <ScottK> trichard: OK.
[14:57] <jjesse> Riddell i did a dist upgrade from maverick to natty in my VM w/o problems yesterday
[14:57] <ScottK> trichard: Obviously you know something about packaging since you made a .deb.  Can you publish the source package you used somewhere so I can review it?  REVU is a great place for this.
[14:58] <trichard> ScottK: Apachelogger helped me a bit yesterday :)
[14:58] <ScottK> Ah.
[14:58] <ScottK> Excellent.
[14:58] <ScottK> I'm sure it's all wrong and will have to be redone then.
[14:58] <ScottK> ;-)
[14:58] <droidslayer> Lol
[14:58] <trichard> haha :)
[14:58] <ScottK> Riddell: Manually install python2.7-minimal and python2.7.
[14:59] <Riddell> ScottK: probably not, these are new ec2 instances
[14:59] <ScottK> trichard: In any case, point me at the source package and I'll have a look.
[14:59] <ScottK> Riddell: You need to be up to date on maverick before upgrading to Natty or it will fail in the way you saw.
[14:59] <Riddell> ok thanks
[14:59] <trichard> ScottK: that stuff sits on my desktop. I'm currently at school. Will do it in a few hours. Ok?
[15:00] <ScottK> trichard: Sure.
[15:05] <steveire> ScottK: x86 I guess.
[15:05] <ScottK> steveire: OK.  Give me a moment.
[15:08] <ScottK> steveire: wget the .debs for the packages you have installed from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cmake/2.8.2-2ubuntu0.1/+build/2107336 (e.g. wget https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cmake/2.8.2-2ubuntu0.1/+build/2107336/+files/cmake_2.8.2-2ubuntu0.1_i386.deb, wget https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cmake/2.8.2-2ubuntu0.1/+build/2107336/+files/cmake-data_2.8.2-2ubuntu0.1_all.deb), then sudo dpkg -i *.deb (assuming there are no other
[15:08] <ScottK> debs in the directory you download them to).
[15:08] <ScottK> That's it.
[15:09] <ScottK> If you were on amd64, it'd be https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cmake/2.8.2-2ubuntu0.1/+build/2107334
[15:21] <ScottK> bluedevil updated
[15:49] <CIA-39> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1208626 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/ChangeLog ChangeLog++
[15:51] <steveire> ScottK: Seems to have worked: http://dpaste.com/289483/
[15:51] <CIA-39> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1208629 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/cache.cpp Re-apply the packageCacheFile port from revision 1191219 with a few changes to fix regressions that led to that revision's reversion. We have saved ~50 lines of code and are no longer rolling our own APT cache code.
[15:51] <steveire> And kdevelop works at normal speed again :)
[15:52] <ScottK> steveire: Perfect.  Please comment in the bug and then you can just upgrade normally back to 2.8.3.
[16:12] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1208630 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/muon/ (MainWindow.cpp MainWindow.h) (log message trimmed)
[16:12] <CIA-39> Don't returnFromPreview() on all errors, since not all errors warrant it.
[16:12] <CIA-39> Instead, move the returnFromPreview() call to the reload() function. Errors that
[16:30] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Would you have time to look at libdebconf-kde linking?  It's FTBFS in lucas rebuild test and although I've added a CMake module to find the missing QtCore.so and it works, but the link still fails.
[16:30] <ScottK> (If you have time, I'll provide additional info)
[16:31] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: sure
[16:32] <JontheEchidna> but I think I've lost the link to lucas's FTBFS page
[16:33] <JontheEchidna> it used to be in the #ubuntu-motu topic but I don't see it there anymore
[16:35] <ScottK> http://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu_ftbfs.cgi
[16:38] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.com/XvDJzwkZ and http://pastebin.com/iu4zAPxA get me to where configure claims it finds QtCore.
[16:38] <ScottK> (DL is in there mostly for testing - I doubt it's actually needed)
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> the target_link_libraries of debkonf are woefully inadequate
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> that's probably what's causing the failure
[16:40] <ScottK> Yes and I think it needs someone who can read the code to figure it out.
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> ok, I'll take a look
[16:41] <ScottK> I've added the CMake bits to find the lib the LD is complaining about and that doesn't solve it.
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> the library is present in the chroot, but it's not in the linker command
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> so ld with the --as-needed flag won't catch it
[16:42] <ScottK> It's in the chroot
[16:42] <ScottK> I think it's actually missing something else and LD is complaining about the wrong thing.
[16:42] <ScottK> No idea what
[16:43] <JontheEchidna> the debkonf binary need QtCore symbols, but with ld being set to use the --as-needed flag in natty it won't get QtCore secondhand from libdebconf-kde
[16:43] <JontheEchidna> which is now the only thing at all it is linking against
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> making this the tools/CMakeLists.txt should fix it: http://pastebin.com/az5nX7p3
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> dantti: ^
[16:45] <ScottK> Let me try
[16:45] <dantti> JontheEchidna: ?
[16:46] <JontheEchidna> dantti: libdebconf-kde fails to link when the --as-needed flag is passed to the linker. ScottK is testing a patch to fix it
[16:46] <dantti> JontheEchidna: ah right.. me knows very little about compile flags...
[16:47] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Progress.
[16:47] <ScottK> /usr/bin/ld: CMakeFiles/debkonf.dir/main.o: undefined reference to symbol 'KApplication::~KApplication()'
[16:47] <ScottK> /usr/bin/ld: note: 'KApplication::~KApplication()' is defined in DSO /usr/lib/libkdeui.so.5 so try adding it to the linker command line
[16:48] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: What do I add for that one?
[16:48] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: ${KDE4_KDEUI_LIBS}
[16:48] <ScottK> Thanks
[16:48] <ScottK> Bingo
[16:49] <ScottK> Thanks a million JontheEchidna.
[16:49] <JontheEchidna> :)
[16:49] <JontheEchidna> dantti: this tools/CMakeLists.txt should fix it: http://pastebin.com/LcfH8puE
[16:50] <dantti> JontheEchidna: k, I'll commit it thanks
[16:53] <ScottK> Uploaded.
[16:53] <ScottK> That leaves kubuntu-docs as the last Kubuntu package that failed the rebuild.
[17:15] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: That also taught me something about reading build failure logs and where to look for linking problems.  I think I got one more Universe fix as a result already.  Thanks again.
[17:15] <JontheEchidna> You're welcome
[17:28] <ScottK> Or not.... composite has the same error, but the solution didn't apply (or I applied it in the wrong place)
[17:32] <ScottK> Riddell is packaging up a storm.  Someone should help him.
[17:32]  * ScottK takes oxygen-icons.
[17:36] <Riddell> new default wallpaper http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/1280x1024.png
[17:37] <ScottK> I think we can live with that.
[17:37] <ulysses> omg
[17:39]  * ScottK notes ulysses should get to work.
[17:39]  * ulysses should learn to the exam tomorrow
[17:40] <crissi> hello
[17:40] <Riddell> hi crissi
[17:40] <crissi> i updated from 10.04 to 10.10
[17:40] <crissi> on sunday
[17:40] <crissi> i used 2.6.37 on lucid and 10.10 too
[17:41] <crissi> today my graphic went wrong
[17:41] <crissi> i used the radeon driver for some month on lucid and since sunday on 10.10
[17:41] <crissi> now, the system went slow if the readon driver is loaded
[17:42] <crissi> if i use the vesa driver, i got a working desktop but i have vertical stripes on the right part of screen
[17:42] <crissi> i did updates every day
[17:43] <crissi> also, i use kde 4.5.4 from ppa
[17:43] <crissi> could it be that something went wrong with the updates?
[17:43] <crissi> i never had these problems with the radeon driver
[17:43] <crissi> VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M22 [Mobility Radeon X300]
[17:44] <crissi> this is the card
[17:44] <crissi> it would be nice if there is a regression in kubuntu when its found and fixed
[17:46] <crissi> now i have to leave, back later
[17:50] <ScottK> crissi: So you're upset about a video regression in 10.10 when you're using a non-standard kernel with it?
[18:29] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1208656 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationBackend.cpp Since invalid Application pointers are not added to the application list, delete them when they are found to be invalid. Otherwise we leak them.
[18:58] <jjesse> is there a location listing version of KDE, kernel, etc that will be in natty so i can easily update everything for the docs?
[18:59] <ScottK> jjesse: KDE will be 4.6.x where X is the latest when we release.  Dunno about the rest.
[18:59] <jjesse> thanks ScottK
[19:22] <Riddell> hmm, I think I uploaded kdegames to natty by mistake and I think I built kdepim-runtime with the wrong packaging
[19:22] <Riddell> to hasty
[19:23] <Riddell> off out to pre-birthday meal now
[21:45] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1208690 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/muon/MainWindow.cpp Use the more efficient Backend::areChangesMarked() function rather than constructing/checking the size of a list of all marked changes
[22:03] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1208694 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/libmuon/ (StatusWidget.cpp StatusWidget.h) Add a timeout for the xapian update progress bar, so that if things fail we don't leave a phantom progress bar hanging around
[22:05] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmCpOKtN8ME
[22:31] <Quintasan> \o
[22:33] <yofel> hey Quintasan
[22:33] <Quintasan> yofel: sup
[22:34] <yofel> adjusting neon for kdepim git move, after that I'll do something for rc1 if there's anything left
[22:35] <Quintasan> brrr
[22:35] <Quintasan> those damn git moves
[22:36] <yofel> well, bzr-git works at least :P
[22:36] <Quintasan> Is that giving us any kind of advantage?
[22:37] <yofel> a bit less more work
[22:37] <Quintasan> hmmm
[22:37] <Quintasan> I like it then.
[22:37] <yofel> I'm almost done anyway
[22:38] <Quintasan> yofel: great, I believe bindings still FTBFS
[22:38] <Quintasan> let me try this
[22:39] <yofel> I tried bindings yesterday, FTBFS
[22:39] <Quintasan> HERP DERP
[22:39] <Quintasan> They should fix it finally
[22:40] <Quintasan> yofel: do you have recipes archived anywhere?
[22:40] <yofel> Quintasan: archived?
[22:40] <Quintasan> yofel: As in, text files, not on Launchpad only
[22:41] <yofel> nope, didn't bother since it's only 3 lines that are mostly identical
[22:51] <apachelogger> anyone wanna have spam?
[22:51]  * apachelogger is very emaily today
[22:51] <apachelogger> not that I started reading mails again :P
[22:51] <apachelogger> just writing new ones
[22:52] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I have enough spam from you, so I'll pass
[22:52] <apachelogger> too bad
[22:52] <apachelogger> oh, I could also generate some launchpad spam :D :D :D
[22:52] <apachelogger> I suppose packaging rc1 is covered?
[22:52] <Quintasan> That was the spam I was reffering to
[22:52] <Quintasan> or refering, it was.
[22:52]  * apachelogger didnt do launchpad spam recently?
[22:53] <apachelogger> <-- very lazy
[22:53] <Quintasan> Oh God, apachelogger go fix kdebindings
[22:53] <apachelogger> I blame it all on markey who keeps me up until 6 and makes me drink vast amounts of alcohol
[22:53] <apachelogger> Quintasan: dude, kdebindings
[22:53] <apachelogger> ...
[22:53] <Quintasan> >makes me drink vast amounts of alcohol
[22:53] <apachelogger> is getting split into multiple repos :P
[22:53] <Quintasan> I wouldn't complain about that.
[22:53] <apachelogger> imagine the fun :D :D :D
[22:53] <yofel> Quintasan: I would say upload 4.6 instead of trunk so we have something we can use for now...
[22:53] <Quintasan> apachelogger: You're kidding, right?
[22:53] <apachelogger> nah
[22:54] <Quintasan> yofel: ^^
[22:54] <Quintasan> OHSHI-
[22:54] <yofel> apachelogger: you serious?
[22:54] <yofel> then again, they split support too
[22:54] <Quintasan> GOD DAMN YOU KDE
[22:54] <apachelogger> eean knows the details
[22:54] <Quintasan> WHY'D U DO DIS TO ME T_T
[22:55] <apachelogger> here is a general question
[22:55] <Quintasan> yofel: getting that imported is going to be a SERIOUS PITA
[22:55] <apachelogger> why do we package bindings?
[22:55] <apachelogger> I mean, up until rc2 or final...
[22:55] <Quintasan> apachelogger: because we have notjing better to do?
[22:55] <apachelogger> it is known to be broken and shit and whatnot
[22:55] <Quintasan> nothing*
[22:55] <yofel> *shrug* - beta2 actually built somehow
[22:55] <Quintasan> It's a miracle.
[22:56] <apachelogger> probably jr deactivated stuff in beta1? :P
[22:56] <Quintasan> In case of kdebindings every finished build is a miracle.
[22:56] <apachelogger> I like that paradigm... deactivate stuff and then forget about it and a month before release people come and complain :D :D
[22:56] <yofel> qimageblitz was deactivated I think, haven't looked at rc1 yet
[22:56] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: http://memegenerator.net/Y-U-NO/ImageMacro/4560111/KDEBINDINGS-Y-U-NO-COMPILE
[22:56] <apachelogger> Quintasan: well, from that POV... if they also release it as multiple tars (which I should hope they do)  it is going to be much more accessible
[22:57] <yofel> JontheEchidna: rofl
[22:57] <JontheEchidna> seeing as you seem to be up on your memes
[22:57] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
[22:57] <apachelogger> love it :D
[22:58] <apachelogger> oh oh oh
[22:58] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: http://memegenerator.net/Y-U-NO/ImageMacro/4560168/JontheEchidna-Y-U-DO-DIS
[22:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I need to show you something
[22:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://decibel.silent-blade.org/index.php?n=Main.Benchmark what do you think of this benchmark?
[22:59] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: http://memegenerator.net/Question-Spiderman/ImageMacro/4560208/How-do-I-compile-kdebindings
[23:00] <JontheEchidna> haha, forgot about the "how do i shot web?" meme
[23:00] <Quintasan> http://memegenerator.net/Victory-Baby/ImageMacro/4560228/KDEBINDING-COMPILED
[23:00] <Quintasan> dis
[23:00] <Quintasan> I'm saving this for every successful compile
[23:00] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I like the last point
[23:00] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: haha
[23:00] <apachelogger> :D
[23:01] <yofel> ^^
[23:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I was more targetting the methodology ;)
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> oh
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> ah
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> hm
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> for memory usage I'd be more inclined to use ksysguard's comprehensive RAM usage numbers: http://i.imgur.com/lzY0Q.png
[23:06] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: You are running Natty?
[23:06] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: yup
[23:06] <JontheEchidna> you can see shitty intel driver corruption in my bottom panel
[23:07] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: Isn't it becoming unresponsive after a few hours?
[23:07] <JontheEchidna> nope
[23:07] <Quintasan> :/
[23:07]  * Quintasan is the only one having problem
[23:08] <Quintasan> After few hours it freezes for a few seconds and the is slooooow as a snail
[23:08] <Quintasan> Launching up Konsole takes 7 seconds
[23:08]  * apachelogger hugs markey
[23:08] <JontheEchidna> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CgT4N0zU1M
[23:09] <yofel> it becomes laggy here after a while, but I blame nvidia for that
[23:09] <markey> apachelogger is telling lies. don't believe a single word of it
[23:09] <markey> (between us: he is a satanist)
[23:09] <apachelogger> oh oh oh  oh
[23:09] <apachelogger> today is party day
[23:09] <apachelogger> and we still do not know what to do for partying
[23:09] <markey> not here :(
[23:09] <markey> <- lonely, and in need for hugs
[23:09] <Riddell> still another hour of hard graft non-partying here
[23:10] <ScottK> I'll take a shot at KDEPIM 4.4.9.
[23:10]  * apachelogger is wondering if shadeslayer is already partying
[23:12] <Riddell> good luck ScottK :)
[23:12] <Riddell> ScottK: natty and kubuntu-ppa and kubuntu-ppa/beta?
[23:12] <ScottK> I'll do Natty and then see what time it is.
[23:13] <Quintasan> I kinda bet we want this packaged http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Activity+Manager+Plasmoid?content=136278
[23:13] <yofel> Riddell: rc1 bindings builds with qimageblitz btw.
[23:14] <Riddell> Quintasan: if it better than the one that comes with Plasma?  does it actually make activities something anyone might want to use?
[23:14] <Riddell> yofel: oh great, how did you find that out?
[23:14] <yofel> just tried to build it a few minutes ago
[23:15] <Quintasan> Riddell: well, I find the Plasma one rather crappy, and well, that's partly KDE's fault but unless someone knows what can one do with activities they won't use it anyways
[23:19] <Quintasan> yofel: http://pastebin.com/vHrqaDji
[23:19] <Riddell> yofel: want to make the changes in bzr then?
[23:20] <Quintasan> yofel: I think we can use this as our Description template
[23:20] <yofel> Riddell: I can, but give me a few minutes to finish something else first
[23:20] <yofel> Quintasan: sounds ok
[23:20] <yofel> shadeslayer: ^