[11:45] <andras-kovacs> Is that a good assumption the CA Certs module can work on ubuntu and debian only?
[13:50] <Odd_Bloke> andras-kovacs: I believe it depends on tooling that is only present in Debian derivatives, yes.
[14:13]  * andras-kovacs sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/AuwhMuZRuZyPzlqOuLWFhGUG >
[14:13]  * andras-kovacs sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/YqvjIFpIhuWgYdZbGgNSEieo >
[14:14] <andras-kovacs> hmm maybe it's time for me to try to contribute to this project
[14:48] <Odd_Bloke> andras-kovacs: Contributions would certainly be welcome!
[15:03] <apollo13> hi there, can anyone tell me what the diff between nocloud, genericcloud and generic in https://cloud.debian.org/images/cloud/buster/20200210-166/ is?
[15:06] <apollo13> ah found it here: https://salsa.debian.org/noahm/debian-cloud-images/blob/master/README.md
[17:30] <ananke> does the proxy directive in apt module support yum?
[17:30] <ananke> I guess I could try and see
[17:30] <ananke> actually, it appears it doesn't. dang
[17:31] <Odd_Bloke> ananke: It would be surprising if anything in the apt module supported yum. :)
[17:34] <ananke> Odd_Bloke: well, I was going by the notion that apt_update and apt_upgrade are aliases
[17:36] <ananke> and there is no other module that deals with package manager options. hmm, not sure if i'll be able to use 'packages' module then, without being able to set a proxy first
[17:36] <ananke> runcmd runs afterwards
[17:36] <powersj> ananke, there is a yum module
[17:36] <Odd_Bloke> Yep, they're aliases, but in cc_package_update_upgrade_install which is generic.
[17:36] <Odd_Bloke> Looks like the yum module only adds extra repos, rather than allowing config like proxy to be applied.
[17:37] <ananke> powersj: there appears only yum_repos, is that what you're referring to?
[17:37] <Odd_Bloke> ananke: Would a bootcmd work for you?
[17:37] <Odd_Bloke> (It's runcmd but earlier.)
[17:37] <ananke> Odd_Bloke: potentially, that's a good idea
[17:38] <ananke> would you happen to know if write_files is before packages or afterwards?
[17:38]  * ananke should just look at a sample failed host
[17:38] <Odd_Bloke> Check /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg to see the configured order.
[17:39] <Odd_Bloke> (Alternatively, run https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/master/config/cloud.cfg.tmpl through your brain's Jinja2 parser. :)
[17:40] <ananke> our AMI build environment is behind a squid proxy, which makes a lot of things like that challenging
[17:43] <ananke> ahh, good, write-files is much earlier. it's at the beginning of cloud_init_modules, while package-update-upgrade-install is towards the end of cloud_config_modules
[18:05] <ananke> yay, that worked. sadly yum doesn't appear to support dropping in a file, so I have to change existing /etc/yum.conf
[18:50] <ananke> on that subject, does write_files 'path' directive create missing dirs?
[19:33] <rharper> Odd_Bloke: the cla check says:
[19:33] <rharper> 3s
[19:33] <rharper> We are currently unable to download the log. Please try again later.    -- what does that mean ?
[19:34] <rharper> ananke: yes, it effictively runs "mkdir -p $(basename file)"
[19:34] <rharper> ananke: it also has an append mode
[19:37] <ananke> rharper: thanks! appears to be working like a charm
[19:38] <ananke> had to create a systemd environment file for docker, so it can use proxy
[19:40] <Odd_Bloke> rharper: No idea!
[19:41] <rharper> ananke: nice trick!
[19:41] <rharper> Odd_Bloke: did we already land something from garlof ?
[19:42] <rharper> I was looking at the mime-data type bug and updated that with a fix, but noticed the cla check had a weird result
[19:42] <rharper> I "reran" the checks bit it stayed the same
[19:43] <ananke> rharper: that appears to be the sanctioned method. here's how the net result looks like with cloud-init: http://dpaste.com/3D3B7XC
[19:57] <rharper> cool
[19:58] <Odd_Bloke> rharper: I see a couple of commits from Kurt Garloff.
[20:20] <rharper> Odd_Bloke: ok, I thought I remembered that.    So I wonder what to do with the check failing though;  we have time, waiting for garlof to respond
[20:29] <Odd_Bloke> rharper: So the process is (correctly) failing on one of the PRs because we don't have garloff in our in-repo lists of CLA signers.
[20:29] <Odd_Bloke> (I don't know why it's failing to check out on the other.)
[20:31] <Odd_Bloke> But regardless, I think you'll need to email them on their CLA-signing email address asking them to confirm that they control the GH account in question.
[20:32] <rharper> Odd_Bloke: ok
[20:33] <Odd_Bloke> (And then update the in-repo metadata, of course.)


 Most probably Qt 5.15.2 won't be released tomorrow. There is a qtwebengine change integrating, after which there will be qt5.git update + manual testing.
 Fair enough. thanks
 I am waiting for some release people to join IRC and/or become active, then I will ask them about Qt
 Right, thanks!
 @mitya57 but I will have to go afk for a few hrs this morning, so perhaps check if I have had any luck later
 I think we might be there!
 Good news. Let's hope hedgewars on !ppc64el does not depend on other stuff from -proposed
 I think excuses now would say if it did
 At least I hope!
 perl transition has now made pkg-kde-tools uninstallable!
 :(
 going afk for a while
 current britney run has been going nearly 3 hrs!
 Oh!
 Implicit dependency: qtbase-opensource-src qgis (not considered)
 we are now blocked by qgis
 I give up
 well maybe not
 @RikMills, @mitya57 I also have a package not migrating, looks like qgis is at the root of this.
 what is that?
 plasma-wallpaper-dynamic
 Actually, looks like libgdal-grass is the issue: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#libgdal-grass
 Still a gis thing.
 @Eickmeyer [Actually, looks like libgdal-grass is the issue: https://people.canonical.com/~u …], same reason then. LocutosOfBorg is going to merge gdal 3.14, so libgdal-grass should then have it's buidl dep there
 Yep.
 Ok, glad LocutusOfBorg is looking into it then.
 should be a simple one I think/hope
 @tsimonq2 [/me hands LocutusOfBorg the Large Hammer], Morning!
 Oh hey
 @tsimonq2 [Oh hey], Contgrats on a nice simple non-controversial election...........
 @RikMills [Contgrats on a nice simple non-controversial election...........], Especially given I'm in WI... … The lawsuits aren't over yet. It's gonna be a long fight
[17:31] <mitya57> Retried libgdal-grass on 3 architectures, let's see how it goes
[17:33] <mitya57> And it built on amd64!
 @tsimonq2 [Especially given I'm in WI... … The lawsuits aren't over yet.


[08:25] <shadeslayer> hi is this channel only for ops?
[15:29] <ubot2> In #ubuntu-se, einand said: !einand is <replay> Han är den bästa personen i världen. Det kan alla intyga
[15:38] <ubot2> In #ubuntu-se, HakanS said: !HakanS is <reply> HakanS är admin för ubuntu-se.orgs portal.
[16:37] <Nafallo> ...
[17:20] <andol> Nafallo: You noticed that too? :)
[18:39] <Nafallo> jpds: can you give andol privileges for ubuntu-se's database on ubot2 please.
[21:40] <jpds> Nafallo: Done.
[21:42] <Nafallo> jpds: ta
[21:43] <jpds> Hmm, tea.
[21:44] <Nafallo> jpds: no. ta. short version of thank you. you read it wrong!
[21:44] <jpds> No, I wanted some tea.
[21:45] <Nafallo> jpds: you can't have it.
[23:59] <stochastic> Hi can I get an ubuntu bot added to the ##ubuntu-yvr-support channel?  It's a temporary Ubuntu Vancovuer Loco channel.


[03:30]  * Kilos greets
[04:48] <Kilos> hmm...
[05:06] <Kilos> plustwo, whats you guys breaking?
[05:07] <Kilos> ai!
[05:08] <Kilos> morning superfly
[05:08] <superfly> hi Kilos
[05:30] <Kilos> oh my goosie is gonna run again today
[05:37] <nuvolari> o/ mornings oom Kilos, superfly, plustwo
[05:37] <Kilos> morning nuvolari
[05:46] <bduk1> Morning everyone
[05:46] <Kilos> hi bduk1
[05:49] <Kilos> plustwo, maak reg man
[05:50] <bduk1> Shoe iemand klink kwaai vanmore
[05:51] <Kilos> lol
[05:54] <Kilos> wb inetpro maak reg
[05:54] <Kilos> sommer nou
[05:55] <Kilos> ai!
[05:55] <Kilos> hmm...
[05:55] <Kilos> inetpro_, maak reg
[05:59] <Kilos> oh my
[06:20] <inetpro> goeie more
[06:20] <inetpro> Kilos: eish!
[06:21] <Kilos> sjoe inetpro als siek daar maar lyk beter laaste rukkie
[06:21] <Kilos> wat het jy gebreek?
[06:21] <inetpro> massive NTP attack
[06:21] <Kilos> ai!
[06:21] <Kilos> from where
[06:22] <inetpro> from plenty addresses
[06:22] <inetpro> DDOS
[06:22] <Kilos> oh so they using other peeps pcs too
[06:22] <Kilos> eish
[06:23] <inetpro> Hackers Spend Christmas Break Launching Large Scale NTP-Reflection Attacks
[06:23] <inetpro> looks like they haven't stopped since then
[06:24] <inetpro> only now they figured that my server also has ntp
[06:24] <Kilos> i saw that
[06:24] <Kilos> i wish they would call them crackers
[06:27] <inetpro> now obviously I need to make a plan to update me ntp service
[06:27] <inetpro> been running smoothly for ever
[06:33] <Kilos> sigh
[06:33] <Kilos> so evil these peeps are
[06:48] <inetpro> that is where the firewall comes in handy
[06:48] <inetpro> whacked them all into a deny rule
[06:52] <Kilos> good man
[06:53] <Kilos> my gufw is set to deny all incoming, but i spose you have to have exceptions
[07:06] <inetpro> well you can't block a legitimate service if you expect people to use it
[07:08] <inetpro> fortunately mine is not an official outside service for the public
[07:08] <inetpro> sorry to those who thought they could just use it
[07:14] <Kilos> hehe
[07:22] <Kilos> hi Gotango
[07:22] <Gotango> hi Kilos
[07:22] <Kilos> if you need help shout quick, i wanna chnge sims
[07:22] <Kilos> change
[07:23] <Kilos> hi henkj_
[07:23] <Kilos> with a tail
[07:23] <Gotango> lol why is that Kilos
[07:23] <Kilos> i want to use the data on the free one
[07:23] <Kilos> this one is getting low
[07:25] <Gotango> oh okay
[07:25] <Kilos> i go let sheep out quick
[07:25] <Gotango> 2 is better than 1 then
[07:34] <Kilos> hehe
[07:35] <Kilos> one is my first 8ta sim and the other is the new telkom one with the free 200m data a month
[07:35] <Kilos> hi vince
[07:35] <Vince-0> hi
[07:36] <Kilos> wbb
[07:36] <Gotango> I dont wana risk R49 though. Will try getting a cheap telkom mobile sim and then see if it works in my modem
[07:36] <Gotango> Hi Vince-0
[07:39] <Vince-0> Hi!
[07:40] <Kilos> hi!
[07:40] <Gotango> I dont wana risk R49 though. Will try getting a cheap telkom mobile sim and then see if it works in my modem
[07:40] <Gotango> wb Kilos
[07:41] <Kilos> ya my first one was 3.99 at checkers i think
[07:41] <Kilos> ty
[07:41] <Kilos> take your modem with to the shop and let them try it there
[07:43] <Gotango> I dont think Shoprite or pep stores will do that or can do that though
[07:44] <Gotango> Thats if they got the telkom mobile sims
[07:44] <Kilos> i think they all keep all the brands
[07:45] <Kilos> isnt there a post office near?
[07:46] <Gotango> Yeah its at the end of the street by me. But they never got anything. The one in town got eveything
[07:48] <Gotango> Hmm pc is running cool, now the laptops charger is hotter than ever lol
[07:48] <Kilos> worth a try
[07:48] <Kilos> lol
[07:50] <Gotango> I will get a cheap sim tomorow, then test it out, if it dont work then no loss for me, if it does, i do a rain dance :D
[07:52] <Kilos> yeah
[07:52] <Kilos> thats good reasoning
[07:54] <Kilos> heres a drawing my daughter did for a client
[07:54] <Kilos> http://imageshack.com/a/img15/3694/osge.jpg
[07:56] <Gotango> Wow! thats stunning.  People actually pay more than R10000 for it
[08:03] <Gotango> His an artist
[08:05] <Gotango> Well those are people who can afford to spend money on anything that interests them.
[08:08] <Gotango> Any way to put the notifications popup on the bottom ? It gets in the way alot
[08:15] <Kilos> lol
[08:15] <Kilos> hi psychicist
[08:15] <charl> hi psychicist, Kilos, Gotango
[08:16] <Kilos> i dunno how you decide where the popups are shown
[08:16] <Kilos> mine are also top right
[08:16] <Kilos> right where my 8ta connection is
[08:17] <Gotango> Hi charl
[08:17] <Gotango> Hi psychicist
[08:18] <Gotango> oh ok, will look on google, maybe its possible
[08:19] <Kilos> ohi charl
[08:24] <henkj_> hi kilos
[08:26] <Kilos> hi mazal
[08:27] <mazal> Môre oom
[08:28] <mazal> Ek het baie goeie nuus gelles vanmôre in die Ubuntu newsletter. 14.04 gaan Mate by default in hê :)
[08:28] <mazal> gelees even
[08:28] <Kilos> ai!
[08:28] <mazal> Hulle moes dit lankal gedoen het
[08:29] <mazal> Nou kan mens self kies tussen Unity en Mate sonder om dit hoef by te install
[08:29] <Kilos> ek het net gewoont geraak aan unity
[08:29] <Kilos> maar dis n goeie plan
[08:29] <mazal> Jy kan nog steeds Unity gebruik , hy word net bygesit vir die wat nie van Unity hou nie
[08:29] <Kilos> maar mate is nie so lekker soos gnome2 nie op 10.10
[08:29] <mazal> Baie goeie besluit in my opinie.  Is moeg van sukkel. Soek net 'n stabiele system wat als op werk
[08:45] <Kilos> lol
[08:48] <Gotango> oh ok, will look on google, maybe its possible
[08:48] <Gotango> hmm , reading some bad stuff on unvarified .deb files https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/fatalmistakes#TOC-Never-use-installation-scripts-like-Ultamatix-Ubuntu-Tweak-Ubuntu-Sources-List-Generator-or-Ubuntuzilla
[08:49] <Gotango> Even the theme files contain malware and trojans :/
[08:51] <Gotango> An Ubuntu in which both the full Unity/Gnome and the full KDE desktop environments has been installed, turns your system into a hopelessly polluted mess. This pollution will decrease performance and may cause instability and malfunctions.
[08:52] <Gotango> So much for Xubuntu
[09:01] <Gotango> Kilos , in synaptic where is the install button after you've marked the application ?
[09:02] <Kilos> its a green arrow i think
[09:02] <Kilos> ya says apply
[09:02] <Kilos> at the top
[09:03] <Gotango> oh the green check mark
[09:04] <Kilos> dont you see apply written there?
[09:04] <Gotango> What is the : Download package files only option ?
[09:04] <Gotango> Yes
[09:04] <Kilos> dont change stuff there
[09:04] <psyatw> hi Gotango
[09:04] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[09:04] <Kilos> hi psyatw
[09:05] <Gotango> Hi psyatw
[09:05] <Gotango> ok i wont tick that box , just click Apply
[09:05] <Kilos> that would most likely mean it downloads them but dont install
[09:06] <Kilos> you see you can also do upgrades from synaptic?
[09:06] <Kilos> you mark them and then apply
[09:06] <Kilos> remember all this
[09:08] <Gotango> oh i see thanks
[09:08] <Kilos> it can also fix broken packages
[09:09] <Gotango> Thats good to hear
[09:10] <Kilos> edit>fix broken
[09:10] <Kilos> ubuntu rocks
[09:12] <Kilos> there are some very light weight linux OS's but you need to do more work
[09:12] <Gotango> Like mint
[09:12] <Kilos> much smaller
[09:13] <Gotango> ok
[09:13] <Kilos> like tinycorelinux. 66m the install iso
[09:13] <Kilos> but you need adsl to be able to then get the stuff to make 3g work
[09:13] <Gotango> lol , thats like win 98
[09:14] <Kilos> smaller i think
[09:14] <Kilos> i still use 98 sometimes to fix mbr's
[09:15] <Kilos> command is fdisk /mbr
[09:17] <Gotango> Nice , i'm sure there's peeps out there that'll use it
[09:17] <Kilos> xp uses fixmbr and fixboot
[09:17] <Kilos> in ubuntu there is a tool for it called boot-repair
[09:20] <Gotango> Thats good
[09:27] <Kilos> you can most likely uses gparted now to make a partition at the end of the drive to save stuff on
[09:27] <Kilos> or even make backups to
[09:27] <Kilos> but dont play there yet
[09:27] <Kilos> easier to do when installing
[09:28] <Gotango> Thats a great thing to do
[09:28] <Gotango> I see a backup icon in system settings
[09:29] <Kilos> yes it works kiff
[09:29] <Kilos> deja-dup
[09:29] <Kilos> but you need somewhere to backup to
[09:29] <Gotango> Did it already create the backup partion at install
[09:29] <Kilos> no
[09:29] <Gotango> oh ok
[09:29] <Kilos> you make your own
[09:30] <Kilos> when installing you dont choose erase disk you choose something else then make your own partitions
[09:30] <Gotango> I see
[09:30] <Kilos> like / /home /storage
[09:30] <Kilos> oh and swap
[09:31] <Kilos> then if you need to reinstall you dont format your home partition so all your setting and accounts arent lost after installing the app again
[09:33] <Kilos> sounds wrong that
[09:33] <Gotango> Hmm , i'm used to reverting to last time the OS worked properly with win7 system restore
[09:33] <Kilos> after doing reinstall all your settings are saved but you need to install the apps again to use them
[09:34] <Kilos> ubuntu has a recovery tool
[09:34] <Kilos> when you boot its under the kernel thing you changed
[09:35] <Gotango> Yes i saw the ( recovery mode thing ) at boot
[09:35] <Kilos> but normally running sudo touch /forcefsck fixes things on a reboot
[09:36] <Kilos> like when a storm is close here but i dont want to go offline i use that command then the power can maar die the pc fixes everything when you boot again
[09:37] <Gotango> lol, dont you need a ups for that
[09:38] <Kilos> i have one but the battery packed up
[09:38] <Kilos> i just buy data and old peeps meds and save slowly for a fast pc
[09:39] <Gotango> So if the power goes off at random times without you knowing when, does the command still work
[09:39] <Kilos> the command works on first reboot after your type it in
[09:40] <Kilos> does what scandisk or chkdsk does
[09:40] <Kilos> only very very much faster
[09:40] <Gotango> But you need to be logged in to type the command
[09:41] <Kilos> yes so like if you see a storm coming you type it in now and forget about it
[09:41] <Kilos> sometimes ubuntu runs its own check on booting if power just died
[09:42] <Gotango> If the power shuts down while you were working on the pc, does it continue from where you left off
[09:43] <Kilos> with what?
[09:43] <Kilos> if you havent saved stuff you start over
[09:43] <Kilos> text files you can save at anytime through the job
[09:44] <Gotango> Ok so sudden power failure wont break ubuntu , like it does windows
[09:44] <Kilos> always look in file save when you doing big stuff and save now and again
[09:44] <Kilos> nope
[09:45] <Kilos> part of the ext4 filesystem makes it better especially for power cuts
[09:45] <Gotango> Reason is i keep my laptop battery in all the time while plugged in AC . I see a drain on the battery capacity, so i wana try taking it out and using ony AC
[09:46] <Gotango> only*
[09:46] <Gotango> Thats good
[09:46] <Kilos> eish that isnt safe i think
[09:46] <Kilos> dont they warm you to not do that
[09:47] <Gotango> Only HP does , other laptop manufacturers says its ok
[09:47] <Kilos> i wish the lappy peeps would advise here
[09:47] <Kilos> it is a big load on charger for starters
[09:47] <Gotango> The battery is always cool though
[09:48] <Kilos> personally i wouldnt remove the battery
[09:48] <Gotango> Just the charger is hot
[09:48] <Kilos> they always get hot even cell phone chargers
[09:49] <Gotango> Ya thats true
[09:49] <Kilos> if you remove the battery then the charger has to do everything
[09:49] <Gotango> I see on google people complain of HP chargers getting more hot than other laptop chargers
[09:50] <Gotango> Maybe thats why the suggest to take out the battery
[09:50] <Kilos> it will get even hotter then
[09:50] <Kilos> like with a car
[09:50] <Gotango> Ya i guess
[09:51] <Kilos> you can start it then remove the battery and the altenator will keep it going but wont be too long before you buy a new altenator
[09:52] <Gotango> I have been using it with the battery in for 2 years now, and on full battery charge it lasts about 30 minutes for the battery to drain again
[09:52] <Gotango> Aah thats interesting
[09:52] <Kilos> then the battery is tired but will still do its job with charger connected
[09:53] <Kilos> so start designing and make money for a new battery
[09:53] <Gotango> Ya , i like to use the battery as a ups for when the powers down i can save my work before switching it off
[09:54] <Kilos> ya
[09:55] <Gotango> I will try
[09:57] <Kilos> arent they supposed to last for hours
[09:57] <Kilos> 30 mins sucks
[09:57] <Kilos> just enough time to save everything
[09:58] <Gotango> yes , but the battery degrades faster when not following its designed charge patterns
[09:59] <Gotango> Like always full charge and full discharge will make the battery last longer
[10:15] <Gotango> acpitz-virtual-0
[10:15] <Gotango> Adapter: Virtual device
[10:15] <Gotango> temp1:        +62.0°C  (crit = +105.0°C)
[10:15] <Gotango> temp2:        +30.0°C  (crit = +105.0°C)
[10:15] <Gotango> k10temp-pci-00c3
[10:15] <Gotango> Adapter: PCI adapter
[10:15] <Gotango> temp1:        +62.5°C  (high = +70.0°C)
[10:15] <Gotango>                        (crit = +100.0°C, hyst = +95.0°C)
[10:15] <Gotango> temp1: used to be at 256 degrees, beyond critical
[10:18] <Kilos> whew
[10:19] <Gotango> Hope That 256 degrees didnt damage anything
[10:20] <Gotango> But good to see its calmed down now
[10:22] <Kilos> it could only vave damaged the heat pad
[10:23] <Kilos> i read thats common
[10:23] <Kilos> and the replacement aint cheap
[10:24] <Gotango> It does'nt matter though, i will keep on using this lappy until it breaks
[10:25] <Gotango> Just keep on monitoring the resources used and stuff, not over-do the cpu with intense apps and games
[10:26] <Gotango> Other than that things will be ok
[10:26] <Kilos> i dunno bout lappy life but i got old desktops working fine
[10:26] <Kilos> psu replacement dvdrom etc
[10:27] <Gotango> Ya they usually last a long time if used properly
[10:28] <Kilos> yo somaunn
[10:28] <Kilos> what did you break
[10:29] <Gotango> Having a backup pc is always a plus
[10:29] <somaunn> Hello Kilos
[10:29] <Gotango> Hi somaumn
[10:29] <somaunn> Hi Gotango
[10:29] <Kilos> yeah its the answer Gotango
[10:34] <somaunn> Yeah you right
[10:35] <somaunn> guys if i may bring something on the desk here
[10:36] <somaunn> When can we expect to have an office suite similar to MS Office with less stress than OoO and LO
[10:36] <somaunn> on our linux box
[10:37] <somaunn> i've read somewhere: MS will release MS Office on linux but left the major question : is it going to be free
[10:37] <somaunn> ????
[10:38] <Gotango> bbl
[10:42] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:56] <Kilos> superfly, please help. i got a cpu cooler with three strips of some tape across. must i put thermal paste on the cpu then remove the strips of tape off the cooler before placing on cpu or does that grey kinda tape act as heat transfer stuff?
[10:56] <superfly> I don't know.
[10:56] <Kilos> like if the tap stays the whole heat sink isnt flush with the cpu top
[10:56] <Kilos> oh my
[10:57] <Kilos> i dunno who to ask
[10:57] <superfly> Kilos: are you talking about a heatsink? that massive fan that sits on top of your CPU?
[10:57] <Kilos> yessir
[10:58] <superfly> Kilos: is it new?
[10:58] <Kilos> yessir
[10:58] <superfly> doesn't it come with instructions?
[10:58] <Kilos> instructions say nothing about those three strips
[10:59] <superfly> what is the make and model?
[10:59] <Kilos> of the cooler?
[11:00] <superfly> yes
[11:00] <Kilos> intel  e97379-001
[11:01] <Kilos> cnf-n3262v2
[11:02] <Kilos> 1ao1ry300-hbd
[11:02] <Kilos> sorry have to use 2 pairs glasses and magnifying glass
[11:03] <Kilos> had to
[11:06] <Kilos> on the box it says it has a thermal solution design for desktop use
[11:06] <Kilos> those strips must be it
[11:06] <Kilos> sorry superfly
[11:07] <Kilos> i gotta go eat
[11:09] <somaunn> brb
[11:12] <superfly> Kilos: is the tape sticky?
[11:12] <superfly> Kilos: most heat sinks come with thermal paste pre-applied
[11:13] <Kilos> yeah a little bit
[11:13] <Kilos> oh lekker ty superfly
[11:13] <Kilos> i even have a tube of past. so that can be saved
[11:13] <Kilos> yay
[12:42] <mazal> Bye everyone , enjoy your evening
[13:13] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[13:13] <Kilos> and not_found
[13:13] <Kilos> split personality
[14:08] <somaunn> Hello
[14:08] <somaunn> i'm back
[14:12] <Kilos> hi somaunn
[14:18] <Kilos> did anyone answer you somaunn ? i was off for a bit
[14:21] <Kilos> ive only used officewriter a bit so i cant help you. but if you state why you asked that question someone could help maybe
[14:21] <Kilos> just rememberthey all busy
[14:21] <Kilos> so patience is good
[14:25] <somaunn> Kilos: no, i received no answer
[14:26] <somaunn> Kilos: i'm not in a hurry i can wait until the answer comes
[14:27] <Kilos> cool
[14:29] <somaunn> in the same time i have a question
[14:30] <somaunn> how is the Linux/ Ubuntu movement doing in S.A these days
[14:31] <Kilos> we always strong and slowly bit by bit new guys join
[14:31] <Kilos> dont you see new names when you come on?
[14:31] <Kilos> oh meeting 28th hey
[14:32] <Kilos> we gonna discuss internet in za
[14:32] <Kilos> maybe someone has plans to improve it or maybe we go toi toi
[14:37] <Kilos> hi andrewlsd
[14:37] <Kilos> wb
[14:37] <andrewlsd> Hi Kilos
[14:43] <andrewlsd> ... am trying CIRC client. via  "CIRC is a packaged Chrome app developed by Google Inc. Documentation, issues and source code live at http://flackr.github.com/circ."
[14:45] <Kilos> wb Gotango
[14:45] <Gotango> ty Kilos
[16:11] <somaunn> brb
[17:09] <somaunn> i'm back
[17:12] <Kilos> ah
[17:19] <magespawn> good evening all
[17:19] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[17:20] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[17:21] <Kilos> did you physically have to line up those 2 dishes to see each other?
[17:25] <Gotango> Hi magespawn
[17:25] <magespawn> yes but they come with a site survey tool that allows you to scan and come up with available access points
[17:25] <magespawn> hey Gotango
[17:26] <Kilos> aha
[17:26] <magespawn> also strength and signal through put etc
[17:27] <Kilos> cost per dish?
[17:27] <magespawn> lots of software tools to make it easier
[17:27] <magespawn> they are quite pricey i think about R2500.00
[17:28] <Kilos> eeek
[17:28] <magespawn> mm not cheap
[17:28] <magespawn> there are other options that are slightly cheaper ut not by much
[17:29] <magespawn> s/ut/but
[17:30] <Kilos> yagi
[17:30] <Kilos> ill still get to finishing mine
[17:30] <Kilos> need another brazing rod
[17:30] <Kilos> 5 elements short5
[17:31] <magespawn> i see the prices here are cheaper http://www.dbg.co.za/product_info.php?cPath=1_69_96&products_id=642
[17:32] <Kilos> ya but your way you need to supply both dishes
[17:35] <Kilos> i want to reach a telkom hotspot about 8 ks away but we are in a dip so not sure how high the mast must be
[17:38] <magespawn> there is no guarantee that is going to work
[17:39] <Kilos> if i can get line of site with nothing in between it will, im sure
[17:39] <magespawn> they usually want you to be local to the hotspot, and generally they run at 2.4Ghz
[17:39] <Kilos> not serious the costs to me are minimal
[17:39] <magespawn> well it will be interesting to find out
[17:39] <Kilos> ya i designed the yagi for 2.4g
[17:40] <magespawn> i want to try a satellite dish with those dipole antenna
[17:41] <Kilos> ya that works too
[17:41] <Kilos> how far must yours work
[17:42] <Kilos> at these high frequencies line of site is important
[17:42] <magespawn> well i am going to have my adsl line in town it will probable be about 1.5 - 2 km
[17:43] <Kilos> oh thats close
[17:44] <Kilos> you can use a wifi antenna with a nice dome shaped chrome dish out of the kitchen
[17:44] <magespawn> yup right around the corner, just far enough to not get a phone line, since that does not run line of sight
[17:45] <Kilos> you can take a wifi card and just extend the coax to the aerial
[17:46] <Kilos> must be 50 ohm coax
[17:46] <magespawn> there are lots of options
[17:46] <Kilos> much thinner than tv cable
[17:48] <Kilos> all wifi uses 50 ohm coax
[17:52] <Kilos> dishes are the answer if one has the cash
[17:54] <Kilos> hi psychicist
[17:55] <magespawn> this is a second hand one that i got from a local dstv installer
[17:55] <psychicist> hi Kilos
[17:55] <psychicist> hi magespawn
[17:56] <magespawn> hi psychicist
[17:56] <Kilos> good idea that mage i have 2 and no dstv
[17:56] <Kilos> decoder packed up just after i came here
[17:57] <magespawn> just need to work on the correct distance from the dish
[17:58] <magespawn> just found this website http://www.saflii.org.za/
[17:58] <Kilos> yeah
[17:58] <Gotango> hi psychicist
[17:58] <Kilos> i cant browse now data near gone
[17:59] <Kilos> save that link for me please
[17:59] <magespawn> it is a legal site with case law etc from south africa
[17:59] <Kilos> ian got me data 2 weeks back and when i tried to use it today it said invalid
[17:59] <Kilos> grrr
[18:01] <Gotango> That sucks Kilos
[18:01] <Gotango> They cant just pull data like that
[18:01] <Kilos> yeah i gotta fone and bitch
[18:02] <psychicist> hi Gotango
[18:02] <Kilos> maybe the shop that sold it noticed it wasnt used so they used it. i gotta find out why they say its invalid
[18:03] <magespawn> maybe the same data has been sold twice
[18:03] <Gotango> Ya do that
[18:04] <Kilos> but then i gotta use this sim to fone from
[18:05] <Kilos> oh wait i have another one too
[18:05] <Kilos> yay
[18:05] <Kilos> bad to be stupid
[18:09] <magespawn> everyone is sooner or later
[18:09] <Kilos> hahaha im at the later stage
[18:10] <Kilos> hi cocooncrash hows things by you?
[18:12] <magespawn> i really love updating free software, the updates are almost always small
[18:13] <magespawn> for some reason paid software is almost always larger
[18:14] <Kilos> yeah
[18:14] <Kilos> hi Private_User
[18:14] <Kilos> wwb
[18:14] <Kilos> wb too
[18:16] <magespawn> the latest LTS is 13.04 correct?
[18:18] <Kilos> 14.04
[18:18] <Kilos> oh sorry
[18:18] <Kilos> 12,04
[18:18] <magespawn> this laptop is running 13.04
[18:18] <Kilos> latest is coming in just over 3 months
[18:19] <Kilos> 13.04 isnt supported anymore i think
[18:19] <theblazehen> Hi!
[18:20] <magespawn> hi theblazehen
[18:20] <theblazehen> hey magespawn, whats new?
[18:21] <Gotango> Hi theblazehen
[18:21] <theblazehen> hey Gotango
[18:21] <Private_User> hi Kilos and everybody else
[18:21] <theblazehen> hey Private_User
[18:21] <Gotango> Hi Private_User
[18:21] <magespawn> not too much, setting up a wireless mast at work over the next couple of days
[18:21] <magespawn> hey Private_User
[18:22] <Kilos> hi theblazehen
[18:22] <Private_User> theblazehen, Gotango, magespawn, sup
[18:22] <theblazehen> hey Kilos
[18:23] <magespawn> i have two server machines at work running trusty tahr (spelling?) which is the development branch
[18:25] <magespawn> seems pretty stable so far
[18:29] <theblazehen> 14.something?
[18:29] <Kilos> what kinda os is that?
[18:29] <theblazehen> Kilos, ubuntu I believe
[18:29] <Kilos> aha
[18:35] <somaunn> theblazehen: Yes Ubutnu 14.04
[18:35] <Kilos> aha
[18:36] <Kilos> before they even released hey magespawn
[18:36] <theblazehen> ty somaunn, magespawn: 14.04 server? advantages over 13.10?
[18:36] <Kilos> lts
[18:36] <theblazehen> Kilos, ah, ty
[18:38] <somaunn> theblazehen: here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/
[18:38] <theblazehen> somaunn, ty
[18:39] <somaunn> theblazehen: can be better but need to make sure before installing, it's still in devel version
[18:40] <theblazehen> somaunn, yeah. Well I'll just wait till there is an OpenVZ image available
[18:54] <Kilos> im gonna use 12.04 for a year still
[19:01] <magespawn> theblazehen, have not really noticed anything yet, they are not production machines, more just for me to play and learn on
[19:02] <theblazehen> magespawn, kk, ty
[19:02] <magespawn> but no reboot or shutdowns yet
[19:03] <Kilos> thats a good sign
[19:03] <magespawn> indeed, also no problems with installed software
[19:03] <Kilos> cool
[19:04] <Kilos> its just the updates on new releases thats stopping me
[19:05] <Kilos> already collection 8.7g packages for 12.04
[19:05] <somaunn> Kilos: don't understand !
[19:05] <somaunn> 8.7 for upgrading from 12.04 to ?
[19:06] <Kilos> i save all the archives so if i need to reinstall i dont have all that downloading again
[19:07] <Kilos> its now 12.03.3
[19:07] <Kilos> but i got packages from when it first came out
[19:07] <somaunn> ok, i see. by archive you means like a kind of local repo
[19:07] <Kilos> havent worked out how to only keep relevant ones
[19:07] <Kilos> yeah
[19:08] <Kilos> copy /var/cache/apt/archives/ to /storage
[19:08] <Kilos> use rsync though not cp
[19:10] <somaunn> Kilos: i see
[19:10] <somaunn> Kilos: from what i know the full repo can go up to 40Gig
[19:11] <somaunn> but that was years ago
[19:11] <Kilos> yeah
[19:11] <somaunn> 2009 to be precise
[19:11] <Kilos> massive but most you never use
[19:11] <somaunn> Kilos: you'r right
[19:12] <Kilos> getting the whole repo is a waste for a ptivate person
[19:12] <Kilos> ok for large companies but them they dont have internet caps
[19:13] <magespawn> lots of people also do not have any caps, and 40 gig is not so much
[19:14] <magespawn> thinks i must do that on the work connection
[19:14] <Gotango> Is an OpenBIOS a good idea when the original Bios dont give any kind of configuration options ?
[19:15] <Kilos> yeah its only mainly mobile peeps that suffer
[19:15] <magespawn> Gotango, never used it, so i have no idea
[19:15] <Kilos> no bios options?
[19:16] <Kilos> has hp locked it?
[19:16] <Kilos> whew
[19:16] <Gotango> Ok magespawn
[19:16] <Kilos> must be some way to get in
[19:16] <magespawn> is this the right page http://www.openfirmware.info/Welcome_to_OpenBIOS ?
[19:16] <Gotango> It just reads some basic hardware stats and tests the drives , nothing more
[19:17] <magespawn> Kilos the older bios did not give very many options
[19:17] <Kilos> sometimes if you in bios you hit ctrl+f1 and more shows
[19:17] <Gotango> Ya like that magespawn, but dunno how reliable it will be
[19:17] <Kilos> award bios that is
[19:18] <magespawn> you need to be certain that it will run your machine properly because it will be difficult to recover it, if not impossible
[19:18] <Kilos> what do you want to do in bios?
[19:18] <Gotango> hmm ok i understand magespawn
[19:19] <Gotango> So i guess a cli program will be best to test or set temperature and fan type settings
[19:19] <Kilos> main things needed are date and time and boot drives
[19:20] <Kilos> no smart fan settings there?
[19:21] <Gotango> My fan is running fine and calm. My hard drive is suddenly getting hotter my charger too aswell as the touch pad above the hard drive
[19:22] <Kilos> hard drives normally get so hot you cant touch them
[19:23] <Gotango> I think so. Its just the touch pad next to it its uncomfortable moving the mouse
[19:23] <magespawn> there is  a cli program to show drive activity i think
[19:24]  * Gotango needs his fingerprints to vote
[19:24] <magespawn> in kde there are widgets that will show you system activity
[19:24] <magespawn> so there might be something like that for unity
[19:25] <Gotango> Thanks magespawn i will try search for something like that
[19:26] <magespawn> have found this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DiskPerformance
[19:26] <Gotango> acpitz-virtual-0
[19:26] <Gotango> Adapter: Virtual device
[19:26] <Gotango> temp1:        +63.0°C  (crit = +105.0°C)
[19:26] <Gotango> temp2:        +30.0°C  (crit = +105.0°C)
[19:26] <Gotango> k10temp-pci-00c3
[19:26] <Gotango> Adapter: PCI adapter
[19:26] <Gotango> temp1:        +63.8°C  (high = +70.0°C)
[19:26] <Gotango>                        (crit = +100.0°C, hyst = +95.0°C)
[19:27] <Gotango> Thats normal i guess, dunno where the HDD heat is coming from
[19:27] <Gotango> Thanks for the link
[19:29] <magespawn> np
[19:31] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:31] <Gotango> night Kilos
[19:32] <magespawn> always goes before i say good night
[19:33] <Gotango> lol
[19:33] <magespawn> that tool looks like it could be useful for monitoring a server performance over time, just pipe the output to a file to analyze later
[19:34] <Gotango> I'm trying to understand it magespawn but i'm a newbie in ubuntu, that looks like i will break something
[19:35] <magespawn> breaking things is part of learning, or so i have found
[19:36] <Gotango> Thats if you got backups lol , backups HHD's , backup pc etc...
[19:36] <Gotango> I dont have that luxury though
[19:36] <magespawn> generally the software gets problems before the hardware
[19:37] <magespawn> or in my experience
[19:37] <magespawn> Gotango, what are your plans for the future?
[19:39] <Gotango> I dunno actually. I got a serious lung condition, i cant do electrition work anymore. So i will try making my hobby in web development my career
[19:40] <magespawn> there is money to be made there that is for sure
[19:40] <Gotango> electrical*
[19:40] <magespawn> once you get known then you can take work from all over the world
[19:41] <Gotango> ya thats true. I got some good ideas on how to be different than all the others in my field. So being unique and creative is a big plus
[19:42] <magespawn> indeed and the barriers to entry are not too high
[19:44] <magespawn> there are a couple of sites out there for free lancers to advertise on
[19:44] <Gotango> I will stick to php, python as the backend , and ofcourse html,css,javascript at front end. The more i focus on them the better i will get in producing great applications
[19:46] <Gotango> Yeah i got a few such sites . But for me its better to start local, with people close to other people i know that need it
[19:47] <Gotango> Being global is not on my mind right now
[19:48] <magespawn> well keep us up to date with developments, and i am sure that people will use you as time goes by
[19:49] <Gotango> I will, and hope they do thanks
[19:49] <magespawn> right i am off to bed, good night all
[19:49] <Gotango> take care magespawn


[06:55] <Unit193> ochosi: FF the 21st, I've got a terrible memory and I don't see it on trello or blueprints, xfce4-soundmenu-plugin/libmpris2 and xfdash going into 14.10 official?
[06:56] <ochosi> Unit193: nah, xfdash can remain in extras for now, same with xfce4-soundmenu
[06:56] <ochosi> i think the latter still needs a bit of work
[06:56] <ochosi> then we can talk about including it by default
[06:57] <ochosi> (as long as we don't include it by default i think the PPA is an ok place)
[06:57] <ochosi> btw, google forms is a good idea for managing wallpaper submissions: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/16R0-IF8m8h5iUad067lf2SNi_v3qkluLe_fcR5f6jsY/viewform
[06:57] <ochosi> knome: that takes away most of the maintenance load of the wiki ^
[06:58] <Unit193> ochosi: I see, thanks.
[16:27] <elfy> mmm bluesabre re parole - so that odd situation I had where jogging forward in a audio file has changed - jogging forward now changes to the next track
[16:49] <elfy> tried to record what's going on with it - got a bug with record my desktop :p
[17:31]  * pleia2 aims for 1 hr meeting
[17:31] <pleia2> cuz lunch plans!
[17:31] <Unit193> Food is very important.
[17:31] <pleia2> or, you know, less :)
[17:31] <pleia2> anyway, meeting in a half hour
[17:31]  * pleia2 back2work until then
[17:40] <elfy> bluesabre: bug 1356979 attached screencast to it - eventually
[17:59] <pleia2> o/
[17:59] <pleia2> #startmeeting
[17:59] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Aug 14 17:59:27 2014 UTC.  The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[17:59] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[17:59] <pleia2> ok, who do we have here?
[17:59] <skellat> o/
[18:00] <elfy> hi
[18:00] <pleia2> #topic Open action items
[18:01] <pleia2> "marketing team to support xfce's bug bounty programme by informing people on website and social media" that didn't get done :) will re-action
[18:01] <pleia2> #action marketing team to support xfce's bug bounty programme by informing people on website and social media
[18:01] <meetingology> ACTION: marketing team to support xfce's bug bounty programme by informing people on website and social media
[18:01] <pleia2> doesn't look like bluesabre, knome or ochosi are around to update on their items
[18:03] <pleia2> #chair elfy Unit193
[18:03] <meetingology> Current chairs: Unit193 elfy pleia2
[18:03] <pleia2> so do we just reaction all their stuff?
[18:03] <elfy> I guess so pleia2
[18:03] <skellat> No
[18:03] <Unit193> That's how it used to go, yeah.
[18:04] <pleia2> clear as mud
[18:04] <pleia2> will reaction so we can follow up at next meeting
[18:04] <elfy> well I can see no reason why not
[18:04] <pleia2> #action bluesabre to put list of xubuntu packageset packages on wiki
[18:04] <meetingology> ACTION: bluesabre to put list of xubuntu packageset packages on wiki
[18:04] <pleia2> #action bluesabre to upload new xubuntu-default-settings
[18:04] <meetingology> ACTION: bluesabre to upload new xubuntu-default-settings
[18:04] <pleia2> #action bluesabre to enable clutter in parole, set as default in xubuntu-default-settings
[18:04] <meetingology> ACTION: bluesabre to enable clutter in parole, set as default in xubuntu-default-settings
[18:05] <pleia2> #action knome to check docs side of including pkexec policy files in favor of gksu
[18:05] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to check docs side of including pkexec policy files in favor of gksu
[18:05] <pleia2> that's good, ochosi's item was mailing the list about xchat and that was done :)
[18:05] <pleia2> #topic Team updates
[18:05] <pleia2> ok, what are we up to? :)
[18:06] <Unit193> bluesabre enabled clutter in parole, but it's not been set the default yet.
[18:06] <pleia2> I don't really have any updates from web or marketing, so no #info from me
[18:06] <elfy> #info QA is moribund still
[18:06] <skellat> #info skellat has been engaged in backport requests and sync requests
[18:07] <elfy> # Beta 1 in 2 weeks time - will call for testing, depending on response will reflect on whether to bother with Final Beta
[18:07] <pleia2> anything else?
[18:08] <elfy> not from me
[18:08] <Unit193> #info bluesabre enabled clutter in parole, but it's not been set xubuntu-default-settings yet.
[18:08] <pleia2> #info Beta 1 in 2 weeks time - will call for testing, depending on response will reflect on whether to bother with Final Beta
[18:08] <pleia2> thanks elfy
[18:08] <skellat> Do we want any items to come up for Global Jam to be worked on/played with?  I had seen there was a meeting CCT held earlier today but I didn't catch all they went into.
[18:08] <elfy> oops sorry pleia2 :)
[18:09] <pleia2> docs and testing are really the only things we can do for Jam stuff
[18:09] <pleia2> but I'm not participating in UGJ this time around (will be traveling)
[18:10] <skellat> Can anybody identify specifics on our end and relate them to apparently mhall119 and/or dholbach?
[18:11] <skellat> That is to say, low-hanging fruit sorts of opportunities that would help us move forward
[18:11] <elfy> apparently not
[18:11] <pleia2> skellat: maybe mail the list to see if anyone is interested in that?
[18:12] <skellat> I'll take an action item for that
[18:12] <pleia2> #action skellat to mail list to see if anyone wishes to identify specific low-hanging fruit tasks for the Global Jam
[18:12] <meetingology> ACTION: skellat to mail list to see if anyone wishes to identify specific low-hanging fruit tasks for the Global Jam
[18:12] <pleia2> thanks skellat
[18:12] <pleia2> #topic Announcements
[18:13] <pleia2> anything?
[18:13] <elfy> nope
[18:13] <skellat> I've got nothing
[18:13] <Unit193> Feature freeze?
[18:14] <Unit193> Did we announce the calendar page with the trello and Xubuntu calendars?
[18:14] <elfy> I saw it somewhere Unit193
[18:14] <GridCube> i think that was announced in the mailing list a few weeks ago
[18:14] <pleia2> debian import freeze has happened, feature freeze comes up on the 21st
[18:14] <Unit193> OK, terrible memory and all. :(
[18:15] <pleia2> :)
[18:15] <Unit193> #info Debian import freeze is in effect
[18:15] <Unit193> #info Feature freeze is coming up on the 21st.
[18:16] <pleia2> #topic Discussion
[18:16] <pleia2> #subtopic Gksu/do
[18:16] <pleia2> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-July/010287.html
[18:16] <mhall119> skellat: we need to update the UGJ wikipages first, then we'll have a place for you to put specific activities that would contribute to Xubuntu
[18:16]  * mhall119 apologies for coming in late
[18:16] <GridCube> Unit193, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-July/010321.html
[18:17] <pleia2> any gksu/do things?
[18:17] <elfy> pleia2: is that one not kind of dependent on knome's doc stuff?
[18:17] <Unit193> GridCube: Yep, thanks.  It's the memory again. :(
[18:17] <pleia2> elfy: perhaps!
[18:17] <GridCube> :)
[18:17] <skellat> mhall119: We still need to do harvesting on the Xubuntu side first.  You've got time.
[18:18] <elfy> I'd +1 returning to gksu tbh - not part of the discussion re removing it in the first place, but I really don't see why we should be the only falvour without gksu
[18:18] <elfy> hi mhall119 :)
[18:18]  * pleia2 nods
[18:18] <skellat> elfy: The discussion in last meeting was that it was a tremendous hack and that we need to move towards getting pkexec-related compatabilities set up.
[18:19] <Unit193> pkexec is "nice" for things that support it and more secure, but really not so useful everywhere else.  I'd be in favor of using pkexec where we can, but gksu everywhere else and seeding it.
[18:19] <GridCube> who would do that
[18:19] <elfy> skellat: maybe so - but still there are huge bunches of people wandering around doing things for ubuntu
[18:19] <elfy> and pkexec smacks of the attitude with ibus - fine for us, sorry about you
[18:20] <elfy> Unit193: +1
[18:20] <pleia2> Unit193: +1
[18:20] <pleia2> did we end up with volunteers to pkexec things?
[18:20] <skellat> elfy: micahg wanted to drop it as catfish was one of the last things that needed it as a dependency which it doesn't anymore.  ochosi was advised by mainline security that gksu has security issues.
[18:21] <pleia2> boo security
[18:21] <elfy> pleia2: I had already got 3 here - put them on the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Utopic/Pkexec
[18:21] <elfy> skellat: even so - where does that put everyone else - and I repeat - it is US and Studio that don't seed gksu
[18:22] <elfy> and I don't see the sky falling in on anyone else
[18:22] <pleia2> elfy: oh good
[18:23] <skellat> elfy: That will require further study to see where it puts us in the overall realm of who is using gksu & who isn't
[18:23] <elfy> skellat: Ubuntu, Studio and Xubuntu don't have gksu
[18:23] <elfy> knee jerk reaction to it whenever it was
[18:24] <skellat> I was thinking outside the Ubuntu realm
[18:24] <elfy> I've no interest in that
[18:24] <Unit193> #rank name                            inst  vote   old recent no-files (maintainer)
[18:24] <Unit193> 378   gksu                           2554519 23075 2528873  1693   878 (Gustavo Noronha Silva)
[18:25] <skellat> The lurking issue of systemd has to be remembered which can and does inform what we do across the Ubuntu flavors even when we're not the ones directly deciding
[18:25] <elfy> that'll be lurking for sometime I would think
[18:26] <Unit193> Yep.
[18:26] <pleia2> yeah
[18:26] <Unit193> Also, not sure what systemd has to do with gksu directly.
[18:27] <elfy> so - I'd say postpone this till next meeting
[18:27] <pleia2> elfy: wfm
[18:27] <pleia2> #subtopic Discuss possible support of Xfce's bug bounty programme
[18:27] <pleia2> I think this was also agreed, yay
[18:28] <pleia2> #action pleia2 to work on drafting bounty/donation page for Xfce's bug bounty programme on xubuntu.org
[18:28] <meetingology> ACTION: pleia2 to work on drafting bounty/donation page for Xfce's bug bounty programme on xubuntu.org
[18:28] <pleia2> #subtopic Make the Trello board publicly readable
[18:29] <pleia2> elfy: know anything about this one?
[18:29] <elfy> I've no issue with that - easily done, regardless of readability - only people ON the board can post afaik
[18:29] <pleia2> seems logical
[18:29] <pleia2> anyone have objections?
[18:29] <elfy> not me
[18:30] <elfy> I'd vote perhaps - then move it to m/l - give it a week
[18:30] <skellat> Go for it especially after the static bluesabre got from DMB
[18:30] <pleia2> #subtopic Check whether the Blueprints and Trello board are in sync
[18:30] <pleia2> this one just sounds like just an action item someone should take
[18:30] <elfy> I can do that pleia2
[18:30] <pleia2> #action elfy to check whether the Blueprints and Trello board are in sync
[18:30] <meetingology> ACTION: elfy to check whether the Blueprints and Trello board are in sync
[18:31] <pleia2> elfy: thank you
[18:31] <elfy> but what about the readability thing :)
[18:31] <elfy> yay or nay or move to m/l
[18:31] <pleia2> elfy: yay
[18:31] <pleia2> yea?
[18:31] <pleia2> do eet
[18:31] <elfy> :)
[18:31] <elfy> done
[18:31] <pleia2> #done elfy made Trello board publicly readable
[18:31] <elfy> get confirmation from someone lurking like krytarik
[18:32] <elfy> https://trello.com/b/P9r6ICd0/xubuntu-team
[18:32] <pleia2> krytarik: can you see the board?
[18:32] <Unit193> Works.
[18:32] <knome> i'm here!
[18:32] <skellat> Heck, I can even see it when I'm not logged into trello so it is world readable
[18:32] <Unit193> knome: Welcome.
[18:32] <elfy> hi knome
[18:32] <pleia2> cool
[18:32] <pleia2> #subtopic Other Business (and knome things)
[18:32] <pleia2> :D
[18:32] <pleia2> ok, anything else?
[18:33] <knome> gee, thanks :P
[18:33] <pleia2> heheh
[18:33] <Unit193> Perhaps document better how Xubuntu runs the meetings?
[18:33] <pleia2> am I doing that badly? :)
[18:33] <elfy> pleia2: no but I suspect Unit193 know's he's up soon :p
[18:34] <Unit193> < pleia2> clear as mud  that kind of gave a hint.
[18:34] <pleia2> oh yeah
[18:34] <pleia2> I can draft up instructions and ask people to fix them
[18:34] <GridCube> this is the first meeting im able to attend in about a year probably :(
[18:34] <knome> pleia2, be in touch with me on that.
[18:34]  * skellat references the Debian-side bugs list for gksu for the purpose of consideration for discussion: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?repeatmerged=no&src=gksu
[18:35] <pleia2> knome: will do
[18:35] <pleia2> #action pleia2 to draft up meeting chair instructions and seek feedback
[18:35] <meetingology> ACTION: pleia2 to draft up meeting chair instructions and seek feedback
[18:35] <pleia2> skellat: thanks for the link
[18:35] <pleia2> #info Debian-side bugs list for gksu for the purpose of consideration for discussion: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?repeatmerged=no&src=gksu
[18:36] <pleia2> GridCube: in that case, have anything you wish to discuss? :)
[18:37] <GridCube> as a side effect of not being able to properly know how i can contribute for not joining conversations, no, though i liked the fact that some of the questions where forwarded to the mailing list where i could add my two cents
[18:37] <elfy> GridCube: I'd agree that's been a good thing
[18:37] <knome> we could start sending a mail that notifies about the meeting minutes being up
[18:38] <Unit193> Or, send the meeting minutes like several other teams do.
[18:38] <pleia2> maybe we add that to chair tasks
[18:38] <knome> so the meeting results would get more exposure to public, and probably open some discussion
[18:38] <GridCube> talking about that questions, the droping of xchat, i understand that we already droped it, but i would like that then we add a link on whishkers menu called "online help" that sends people to the web client for our channel on the main page
[18:39] <knome> not all of the issues are something we want/need to discuss on the mailing list
[18:39] <GridCube> knome, no, i understand
[18:39] <Unit193> Right, and I'd prefer not.
[18:39] <knome> Unit193, prefer not what?
[18:39] <Unit193> Every discussion happing on the ML, seems overkill.
[18:40] <knome> yeah.
[18:40] <knome> GridCube, what we are doing is making an experiment on how people react on xchat being removed
[18:40] <elfy> then that goes against what we decided - if it's a meeting discussion it should go to m/l for those not able to be here
[18:40] <knome> GridCube, if we decide it's the right way, we can then discuss if we want a menu item
[18:41] <knome> elfy, i was referring to mostly "for information" items :)
[18:41] <elfy> ok
[18:41] <GridCube> knome, i see. i don't agree but i understand.
[18:41] <knome> besides, i'm probably thinking a bit differently than you;
[18:41] <pleia2> well, I think meeting minutes being sent to the list should be more of a FYI thing, we still want threads started for important discussions
[18:41] <knome> not ALL of the things we discuss in the meeting *must* be a meeting/team discussion
[18:42] <pleia2> and I think just a link in an email, like: we had a meeting, read about it here:
[18:42] <elfy> pleia2: wfm
[18:42] <GridCube> sure, im not asking to move the meetings to the mailing list
[18:42] <knome> it's just that the meeting is a good forum to discuss things and get it archived somewhat reasonably to logs that are much more accessible than irclogs.ubuntu.com ;)
[18:42] <GridCube> i just liked that some question where forwarded there where i could participate
[18:42] <Unit193> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2014-August/038428.html - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2014-August/038422.html
[18:42] <pleia2> GridCube: nods
[18:43] <pleia2> we should keep doing that, it's good, we usually get feedback
[18:43] <knome> GridCube, definitely. that's more related to voting than meetings itself.
[18:44] <GridCube> mmhm
[18:44] <knome> extending the voting to the mailing list we can guarantee to either 1) get a quorum or 2) give enough time for everybody to be able to vote
[18:45] <knome> (even if technical quorum isn't met)
[18:45] <pleia2> yeah
[18:45] <knome> that being said...
[18:46] <knome> the strategy document doesn't talk about "expiring" from -team in vain
[18:46] <knome> i'm not saying there's anybody specific who shouldn't be part of the team, but please keep it in mind and judge with your own conscience whether you think you are warranted the membership
[18:47] <knome> (and thus, a vote in every vote, and making the quorum harder to reach in numbers)
[18:47] <knome> we don't want to kick anybody out, but it's the best for all to have an up-to-date membership list :)
[18:47] <elfy> indeed - totally agree with that
[18:48] <knome> and that said...
[18:48] <knome> we're happy to have old contributors back
[18:48] <knome> and they'll probably gain their membership faster since we already know them..
[18:51] <pleia2> knome: maybe an agenda item for next meeting?
[18:51] <GridCube> knome, i understand
[18:51] <knome> pleia2, of what? :)
[18:51] <pleia2> expiring team
[18:51] <knome> well, sure, though it should be an ongoing item ;)
[18:51] <pleia2> ah ok
[18:52] <knome> so maybe not
[18:53] <pleia2> ok, anything else?
[18:53] <elfy> I'm good pleia2
[18:53] <GridCube> not from me
[18:53] <knome> nope
[18:53] <skellat> Adjournment sounds great
[18:53] <pleia2> #topic Schedule next meeting
[18:53] <elfy> ochosi
[18:54] <pleia2> I'm on there twice, so I forgets :)
[18:54] <pleia2> is it ochosi up next?
[18:54]  * knome checks
[18:54] <elfy> yea - twice in a row :)
[18:55] <knome> yeah, i believe so ;)
[18:55] <pleia2> #action ochosi to schedule next meeting
[18:55] <meetingology> ACTION: ochosi to schedule next meeting
[18:55] <elfy> then it's the Debian Liason's turn ...
[18:55] <pleia2> I'll do meeting minute stuff after lunch
[18:55] <pleia2> thanks all
[18:55] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[18:55] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Aug 14 18:55:47 2014 UTC.
[18:55] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-08-14-17.59.moin.txt
[18:55]  * pleia2 out2lunch
[18:55] <elfy> thanks pleia2 :)
[18:55] <Unit193> We made it out!
[18:55] <Unit193> Thanks.
[18:55] <knome> pleia2, bon appetit!
[19:06] <Unit193> knome: Might want to get with cyphermox and see if NM .10 is landing for utopic as it'll need Xubuntu docs update if so.
[19:07] <knome> aha?
[19:14] <Unit193> The networking section has `nm-tool`, which is gone in .10.
[19:15] <knome> right
[19:15] <knome> can you make a trello card out of that?
[19:18] <Unit193> Uhhh....
[19:20] <knome> thanks for volunteering ;)
[19:20] <Unit193> What type of card?
[19:21] <knome> 14.04 TODO for slickymaster and knome
[19:33] <cyphermox> Unit193: it will, hopefully
[19:34] <Unit193> cyphermox: Thanks for the update, and the work on it (looking forward to nmtui!)
[19:34] <cyphermox> Unit193: still need to file the MIR report for libndp to go with it
[19:34] <Unit193> Oh bleh, MIRs.
[19:34] <cyphermox> Unit193: I can point you to the PPA maybe if you want to take a head start, all testing prior to upload is obviously welcome
[19:36] <Unit193> cyphermox: That might be tempting.
[19:36] <knome> elfy, ^
[19:37] <Unit193> xubutrello: card 85 link
[19:37] <xubutrello> https://trello.com/c/lgQiG8tA/85-update-the-docs-networking-section-for-the-new-networkmanager
[19:37] <knome> Unit193, cheers
[19:37] <Unit193> Yeeeep.
[19:37] <elfy> knome: ?
[19:37] <knome> elfy, keyword: testing
[19:38] <Unit193> Now is it tempting enough to make me quit playing with connman/cmst. :D
[19:39] <elfy> knome: if I had keyword testing - 99% of the time it would be me saying that no-one bothers testing
[19:39] <elfy> not that I'm at all cynical
[19:39] <knome> elfy, heh. well, it's probably something that we are going to be affected by whether we tested it or not.. so might be better to at least call for testing at some point ;)
[19:40] <elfy> http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker and http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker to see why I'm rather cynical
[19:40] <knome> i acknowledge the situation..
[19:40] <elfy> I call for testing - more or less no-one bothers
[19:41] <knome> if only i had about 24 more hours in a day ;)
[19:41] <elfy> :)
[19:50] <Unit193> elfy: ...Do I need to add it?  I am at least running utopic, so while not "testing", I've got it and it's active.  Not sure how much it counts though, since it is me.. :/
[19:52] <elfy> Unit193: yea - add it please :)
[19:52] <Unit193> Okay. :(
[19:52] <elfy> I appear to have a bluetooth indicator
[19:52] <knome> *you*?
[19:52] <knome> is it behind your ear?
[19:54] <elfy> if only it was - I'd not see it then :)


[08:25] <fta2> chrisccoulson, d'oh! http://codereview.chromium.org/6881074
[08:38] <fta2> hm, seems we don't have the same version of xdg-utils
[08:48] <fta2> http://codereview.chromium.org/download/issue6881070_1.diff


[07:05] <LucaVanzin> Hello to all. Could you help me troubleshooting a routing service I'm trying to make on a espressobin board?
[07:07] <LucaVanzin> installed bridge-utils, samba, dnsmasq-base, iptables and built a new kernel as in instructions, but Still have troubles on ping devices attacched to the board.


[10:12] <izu> hi anyone here?
[12:40] <Surpriyse> Downloud
[12:40] <Surpriyse> Download
[12:40] <Surpriyse> Sudo
[12:46] <ogra_> now that was a Surpriyse ...
[12:46] <ogra_> :P