[02:18] <eraserpencil> When i run "snapcraft", it runs on one processor. How do I let it run on multiple processes?
[02:18] <mup> PR snapcraft#2140 closed: lp 1768233 workaround for plainbox_provider plugin <Created by jocave> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2140>
[02:40] <mup> PR snapcraft#2142 opened: Release changelog for 2.42.1 <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2142>
[03:07] <eraserpencil> is there a list of accepted architectures snapcraft build?s
[03:56] <eraserpencil> What are the differences between a snap revision and a snap version?
[05:02] <mborzecki> morning
[05:52] <mup> PR snapd#5173 closed: snap: some doc comments fixes and additions <Simple> <Created by pedronis> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5173>
[05:58] <mborzecki> mvo: #5075 is simple an can be landed now, niemeyer requested changes before, but those have been addressed, can you do a review?
[05:59] <mup> PR #5075: snap/env: fix env duplication logic <Simple> <Created by didrocks> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5075>
[06:15] <mvo> mborzecki: yes, will do in a little bit
[06:15] <Lin-Buo-Ren> https://github.com/ubuntu/snapcraft-desktop-helpers/issues/117 I have found the commit that causes the regression
[06:16] <Lin-Buo-Ren> dunno how to fix though...
[06:32] <gohan> How can I build a snap package that runs executable jar?
[06:33] <Lin-Buo-Ren> gohan: Packs an Java runtime into it?
[06:36] <gohan> @Lin-Buo-Ren how to do it can you please guide us to do that?
[06:37] <gohan> @lLin-Buo-Ren if there is any example for that please share us.
[06:42] <Lin-Buo-Ren> gohan: I don't know any Java snaps as of now
[06:45] <gohan> @Lin-Buo-Ren : ok, thanks...
[06:45] <mup> PR snapd#5075 closed: snap/env: fix env duplication logic <Simple> <Created by didrocks> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5075>
[06:45] <Lin-Buo-Ren> gohan: Check out https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/snapcraft-plugin-jdk-java-runtime-app-error/1403/3
[06:45] <mborzecki> mvo: a bunch of PRs is stuck waiting for re-review after changes were requested
[06:45] <Lin-Buo-Ren> gohan: Here's an example that claimed working: https://github.com/ogra1/jtiledownloader
[06:46] <mvo> mborzecki: yeah, I will do a re-run this morning
[06:47] <Lin-Buo-Ren> I would like to request reviewing two trivial PRs on ubuntu/snapcraft-desktop-helpers: #119, #121
[06:47] <mup> PR #119: Do not export dirs.snappyDir <Created by mvo5> <Merged by niemeyer> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/119>
[06:47] <mup> PR #121: Add built-in capabilities to the daemon <Created by zyga> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/121>
[06:47] <mborzecki> i can look info fixing #5081 while zyga is on vacation
[06:47] <mup> PR #5081: interfaces/apparmor: add chopTree <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5081>
[06:47] <niemeyer> Mornings
[06:47] <gohan> @Lin-Buo-Ren : ok..
[06:48] <mborzecki> niemeyer: adjusting to new timezone already?
[06:48] <Lin-Buo-Ren> https://github.com/ubuntu/snapcraft-desktop-helpers/pull/119 ; https://github.com/ubuntu/snapcraft-desktop-helpers/pull/121
[06:48] <mup> PR ubuntu/snapcraft-desktop-helpers#119: Makefile: Honour CC, CFLAGS <Created by Lin-Buo-Ren> <https://github.com/ubuntu/snapcraft-desktop-helpers/pull/119>
[06:48] <mup> PR ubuntu/snapcraft-desktop-helpers#121: Prepend $SNAP/share to XDG_DATA_DIRS <Created by Lin-Buo-Ren> <https://github.com/ubuntu/snapcraft-desktop-helpers/pull/121>
[06:48] <niemeyer> mborzecki: A bit early for that :-)
[06:49] <niemeyer> Just catching up.. yesterday was a bit hard to focus, so gave up and decided to do it early today
[06:53] <zyga> mborzecki: sure but please check if the expression from Jamie actually works
[06:54] <niemeyer> zyga: Heya
[06:54] <zyga> I was somewhat surprised on 2nd read
[06:54] <zyga> Hey
[06:54] <niemeyer> zyga: Before I forget, remind me to ask you about the parallel install feature
[06:54] <zyga> Holidays are fun but not when kids become ill
[06:54] <zyga> Ack, will do
[06:55] <newbee> How to make a snap from a .jar files, and how to make the snapcraft.yaml for that ?..
[06:55] <zyga> niemeyer: why are you up so early? Are you in Europe?
[06:55] <niemeyer> zyga: No, just shifted today to catch up with reviews a bit
[07:09] <pstolowski> morning
[07:10] <mborzecki> pstolowski: hey
[07:12] <mborzecki> damn, spilled coffee :/
[07:35] <pstolowski> mborzecki: ouch
[07:44] <eraserpencil> What is the filepath to see where plugs and slots connects. I'm unsure where to point "target" of my content plug interface
[07:59] <Chipaca> moin moin
[08:02] <mvo> hey Chipaca
[08:03] <Chipaca> mvo: 'sup
[08:03] <mvo> Chipaca: reviews mostly and a bit of core18 work. I'm also looking for a volunteer who wants to work on the snapd snap :)
[08:03] <mvo> Chipaca: 'sup on your side?
[08:04] <Chipaca> mvo: the snapd snap sounds fun :-) but not sure i'll have the space today to learn where it fits in the dance
[08:04] <Chipaca> mvo: if you're still looking on Monday, hit me up
[08:05] <mvo> Chipaca: sounds great. monday is a public holiday here but I can still hit you :)
[08:05] <Chipaca> today, physio (unless things are on fire), then into London for lunch, otherwise snapshots (if i get a review) or warnings (if not)
[08:05] <Chipaca> mvo: tuesday is also good
[08:06] <Chipaca> maybe i should take monday off to discourage you from working it
[08:06] <Chipaca> that sounds quite nice actually
[08:09] <niemeyer> pedronis: you got a review on #4497.. LGTM once that's considered
[08:09] <mup> PR #4497: many: make rebooting of core on refresh immediate, refactor logic around it <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4497>
[08:09] <niemeyer> mvo: You have a review request there too ^
[08:09] <niemeyer> Chipaca: Moin
[08:10] <Chipaca> niemeyer: getting used to gmt?
[08:10] <niemeyer> Chipaca: No, just catching up on reviews.. feeling bad for my lag there
[08:11] <niemeyer> Still a couple of months away from the shift
[08:12] <Chipaca> niemeyer: don't run yourself into the ground
[08:12] <Chipaca> niemeyer: we call 'em sprints, but they're marathons
[08:13] <niemeyer> Chipaca: Thanks, and yeah.. the more it grows the heavier the burn is to get it down
[08:13] <gohan> how to access extenal jar file in snap?
[08:13] <niemeyer> gohan: Heya
[08:14] <niemeyer> gohan: The forum is usually a better place for that sort of question as you'll get more eyes there, and the ability for them to answer on their appropriate time without your question getting lost to the logs
[08:15] <niemeyer> gohan: The general answer is that the jar needs to ship with the snap
[08:15] <niemeyer> gohan: But your question probably has more context than this
[08:28] <mup> PR snapd#5176 opened: many: add `snap connectivity-check` command <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5176>
[08:29] <mvo> Chipaca: the above PR is a bit of an RFC - if you could have a look and check that the approach makes sense that would be cool, then I can clean it up properly
[08:40] <pedronis> niemeyer: thanks
[08:42] <mvo> 5175 is an easy win
[08:51] <niemeyer> #5175
[08:52] <mup> PR #5175: systemd: mock useFuse() so testsuite passes in container via lxd snap <Simple> <Created by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5175>
[08:52] <mborzecki> zyga: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/THFBWKbZzD/
[08:54] <mup> PR snapd#5175 closed: systemd: mock useFuse() so testsuite passes in container via lxd snap <Simple> <Created by jdstrand> <Merged by niemeyer> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5175>
[09:17] <niemeyer> mborzecki: #4504 unblocked
[09:17] <mup> PR #4504: snap, wrappers: systemd WatchdogSec support <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4504>
[09:17] <mborzecki> niemeyer: thanks!
[09:17] <niemeyer> np
[09:24] <pstolowski> niemeyer: can you take a look if the approach in #4551 is now ok? it was re-worked after your initial review and after I had a discussion with zyga
[09:24] <mup> PR #4551: ifacestate: do not auto-connect manually disconnected interfaces <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4551>
[09:25] <mup> PR snapd#4538 closed: interfaces/builtin: Add new steam-support interface <Created by ikeydoherty> <Closed by niemeyer> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4538>
[09:35] <niemeyer> mvo: #4600 re-reviewed
[09:35] <mup> PR #4600: configstate: validate known core.* options <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4600>
[09:35] <mvo> niemeyer: thank you!
[09:35] <niemeyer> mvo: np, and thanks! nice feature!
[09:36] <niemeyer> pstolowski: Yeah, the tab for that one was even open already :)
[09:36] <pstolowski> niemeyer: that's already a good start :) thanks
[10:01] <pedronis> mvo: thanks for the review, I'll work through the comments after lunch
[10:03] <mvo> pedronis: thank you, nice PR, this will make it much more usable
[10:04] <mvo> 5174 is also probably an easy win
[10:06] <Chipaca> mvo: i'm looking at #5176 now, but will be offline for a little bit
[10:06] <mup> PR #5176: many: add `snap connectivity-check` command <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5176>
[10:07] <Chipaca> ttfn
[10:21] <mborzecki> leaving #5081 for now, did the change but it feels a bit fishy around edge cases, probably best if zyga takes a look at it
[10:21] <mup> PR #5081: interfaces/apparmor: add chopTree <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5081>
[10:21] <pstolowski> zyga: conflicts on #4996
[10:21] <mup> PR #4996: overlord/ifacestate: store and use revision with security profiles set <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4996>
[10:25] <niemeyer> pstolowski: #4551 reviewed, thanks!
[10:25] <mup> PR #4551: ifacestate: do not auto-connect manually disconnected interfaces <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4551>
[10:26] <pstolowski> niemeyer: ty!
[10:45] <tatramaco> hi
[10:46] <tatramaco> anyone know how I can configure the apparmor policy for chromium to allow it to talk to u2f security key ?
[10:46] <eraserpencil> :q
[10:46] <tatramaco> or is there an interface for a u2f key ?
[11:05] <ogra_> tatramaco, thats probably better suited as question to the forum (see channel topic)
[11:07] <tatramaco> I had already tried there and nada
[11:07] <niemeyer> tatramaco: Please ping me there and I'll go after it
[11:08] <niemeyer> Taking a break now to rest a bit before the standup
[11:19] <cachio_> mvo, hey, about the comment you did on the #4416
[11:19] <mup> PR #4416: tests: performance measurements for basic snapd commands <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4416>
[11:19] <cachio_> with the question this way we avoid mixing stdout with the performance results?
[11:19] <cachio_> I don't get what you are proposing
[11:53] <fusion809> Hi folks, why is 2.32.9 tagged in the snapd repo but there's no release notes to it and no vendor tarball? I was expecting it to be merely a matter of time, like a few hours a day at most, but it's been two days and there's still no release notes. Did someone just accidentally tag it, or something?
[11:56] <mborzecki> mvo: ^^
[11:58] <mborzecki> pedronis: can you take a look at #4996 ? i've pushed some changes
[11:58] <mup> PR #4996: overlord/ifacestate: store and use revision with security profiles set <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4996>
[12:00] <mborzecki> i'm off to pick up the kids, coming back for the standup
[12:09] <jdstrand> mborzecki: hey, is 'daemon-notify' ready for re-review now?
[12:12] <mup> PR snapd#4551 closed: ifacestate: do not auto-connect manually disconnected interfaces <Created by stolowski> <Merged by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4551>
[12:40] <mvo> fusion809: hey, sorry for this. .9 is only autopkgtest fixes which are very ubuntu specific, however I see that this is confusing and will add a page on GH
[12:41] <fusion809> mvo: thank you for clarifying.
[12:44] <Chipaca> re
[12:44] <Chipaca> just a quick pop in to let y'awl know I'm going to miss the standup, as I'll be on the underground going back home then
[12:47] <mvo> fusion809: updated, thanks for letting us know!
[12:51] <Chipaca> mvo: happy to bikeshed the location, but not bothered by what's there (beyond this command not being debug -- the problem is we've always said debug commands were guaranteed not stable)
[12:52] <Chipaca> mvo: for ex: i'd say this is slower/more expensive but still system info-ish, so as such we could have a select= on sysinfo do it
[12:52] <mvo> Chipaca: yeah, that sounds reasonable. sysinfo works for me
[12:53] <mvo> Chipaca: I won't be in the meeting today but please relay that I want to branch 2.33 early next week (Monday hopefully)
[12:53] <mvo> Chipaca: we are a bit behind with this one already
[12:53] <Chipaca> mvo: neither will i
[12:53] <mvo> Chipaca: aha, ok
[12:54] <mvo> niemeyer:  I won't be in the meeting today but please relay that I want to branch 2.33 early next week (Tuesday hopefully, monday is a public holiday here). we are already a little bit behind with 2.33
[12:55] <Chipaca> pedronis: is there anything we could do to hit the right cdn with something cheap, say a HEAD request, that'd get redirected appropriately?
[12:56] <mvo> Chipaca: you ask the right questions :)
[12:56] <pedronis> Chipaca: we could do details on something well known and do HEAD on the download url
[12:56] <Chipaca> pedronis: yes we could, but i'd be happier if we weren't making the db do extra work for a connectivity check :-)
[12:57] <pedronis> the cdn might vary
[12:57] <pedronis> and the download urls are not documented
[12:58] <pedronis> in theory if we had a canary snap  with just one revision its download url before redirects would be fixed (until thing change and ignoring the enterprise proxy)
[12:58] <pedronis> so not sure how not to ask the store for a download url
[12:59] <pedronis> if we care
[12:59] <mborzecki> jdstrand: yes
[12:59] <Chipaca> pedronis: maybe we should chat with our store buddies :-D
[12:59]  * Chipaca disappears into the tubes
[12:59] <niemeyer> Heya
[13:00] <niemeyer> Running late but omw
[13:18] <niemeyer> mvo: Ack, thanks
[13:30] <noise][1> pedronis: what was that download URL thing in reference to, or the use-case i mean?
[13:33] <pedronis> noise][1: mvo is implementing a connectivity check for snapd, to see if it can access the main api domain,  but there's a question how to check that download are accessible
[13:33] <pedronis> noise][1: wip PR is here: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5176
[13:33] <mup> PR #5176: many: add `snap connectivity-check` command <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5176>
[13:33] <pedronis> s/domain/domains/
[13:34] <mborzecki> jdstrand: thanks for the review
[13:35] <noise][1> pedronis: makes sense, thx
[13:41] <pedronis> noise][1: so we wonder if  we care about having something better that  doing /details on a snap and HEAD on the download url (following redirects)
[13:44] <Chipanaut> ullo ullo
[13:44] <noise][1> pedronis: that should be a reasonable start
[13:45] <Chipanaut> ooh, ooh
[13:45] <pedronis> yea, think so
[13:45] <Chipanaut> pedronis: noise][1: are you talking about the connectivity check
[13:45] <noise][1> make sure we pass the headers
[13:45] <noise][1> in case of cloud images
[13:46]  * Chipanaut on the move, hoping the webchat works better than actual irc on iffy networks
[13:48] <Chipanaut> noise][1: a question I have is whether HEAD will always redirect, or if we should do a plain GET and then drop it
[13:48] <Chipanaut> of course the boss check would be to download and check the hash, but that's taking it a bit far
[13:49]  * Chipanaut is suspicious of the silence in the channel
[13:49] <pedronis> Chipanaut: yes we were talking about that
[13:51] <noise][1> the HEAD should get your the redirect, but best to double check it :)
[13:51] <Chipanaut> noise][1: it does today
[13:51] <Chipanaut> noise][1: my question is whether we can  rely on it, as CDNs come and go :-)
[13:52] <pedronis> the redirect comes from the API
[13:52] <Chipanaut> d'oh
[13:52] <pedronis> we control it
[13:52] <Chipanaut> i'll go get a dunce hat, brb
[13:53] <pedronis> we can add spread test
[13:53] <pedronis> and also one in the store itself if needed to keep that working if we start relying on it
[13:53] <Chipanaut> pedronis: same headers, but narrowing fields would be a'ight, yes?
[13:54] <pedronis> Chipanaut: yes, but my point is that we need to send headers also for the download, not just the details
[13:54] <Chipanaut> mvo: mind if I push a commit to #5176 ?
[13:54] <mup> PR #5176: many: add `snap connectivity-check` command <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5176>
[13:54] <Chipanaut> pedronis: gotcha
[13:54] <pedronis> the actual relevant headers are consumed at that  point
[13:54] <Chipanaut> pedronis: hardcoding the download url is tempting
[13:55] <Chipanaut> but i'll be brave and resist
[13:55] <pedronis> Chipanaut: that is not a good idea because of the enterprise proxy
[13:56] <Chipanaut> pedronis: well, I had reasons for it not being a good idea before :-) but yeah
[13:56] <pedronis> the current code does the right thing wrt that afaict
[13:56] <Lin-Buo-Ren> https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapcraft/+bug/1772027
[13:56] <mup> Bug #1772027: Pull stage of a unspecified part is unexpectedly cleaned by snapcraft <Snapcraft:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1772027>
[13:56] <Chipanaut> pedronis: wrt headers and HEAD?
[13:57] <pedronis> Chipanaut: no, I meand wrt to using the right helper to use if the eproxy url if it's set
[13:57] <Chipanaut> ah, k
[13:58] <pedronis> Chipanaut: also my other comment silly, we can just use the GET details instead of the current endpoint GET
[13:58] <pedronis> not doing the former only if the latter work
[13:58] <Chipanaut> yeap
[14:00] <Chipanaut> pedronis: I'm about to go offline again for a bit, but I'll work on this
[14:00] <Chipanaut> 's fun
[14:00] <pedronis> ok, thx
[14:00] <pedronis> :)
[14:00]  * Chipanaut steals the fun work out from under mvo's feet
[14:08] <jdstrand> mborzecki: thanks for sticking with that PR. it was a loooong time coming :)
[14:09] <jdstrand> Chipanaut: fyi, I responded in the PR regarding classic and signals
[14:10] <thresh> jdstrand, we can debug the issue here, since it's going to be faster (re: qt/vlc/debian)
[14:10] <thresh> I think I also reproduced the same behaviour on newest ubuntu though
[14:11] <thresh> but we can focus on debian for now
[14:12] <mup> PR snapd#4504 closed: snap, wrappers: systemd WatchdogSec support <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4504>
[14:17] <jdstrand> thresh: for the moment I think it makes sense to discuss in the forum since we may handoff
[14:20] <xnox> jdstrand, mvo, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1771858 does this sound reasonable to you? and will you be able to ship effectively a one line shell script?
[14:20] <mup> Bug #1771858: /snap/bin not in default PATH for units, snapd should ship system-environment-generators to inject /snap/bin into $PATH <snapd (Ubuntu):New> <systemd (Ubuntu):New> <snapd (Ubuntu Xenial):New> <systemd (Ubuntu Xenial):Confirmed> <snapd (Ubuntu Bionic):New> <systemd (Ubuntu
[14:20] <mup> Bionic):Won't Fix> <snapd (Ubuntu Cosmic):New> <systemd (Ubuntu Cosmic):Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1771858>
[14:21] <thresh> jdstrand, gotcha
[14:22] <jdstrand> xnox: I have no objections since it is appended to PATH
[14:22] <jdstrand> cc mvo ^
[14:23] <xnox> jdstrand, mvo - btw this is an actual bug for foundations, we can't integrate preseeded snaps on classic in clouds =)
[14:25] <jdstrand> thresh: what is the output of 'snap info vlc'
[14:26] <jdstrand> thresh: on Ubuntu, what kernel were you using?
[14:29] <thresh> jdstrand, snap info vlc: https://gist.github.com/thresheek/28e1e1fea148f32648a2022bc8400ee3
[14:35] <thresh> jdstrand, re ubuntu:  my 18.04 does not boot for some reason, but the same happens on 16.04, using 4.13.0-36-generic, `XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=KDE snap run vlc -vvv`. snap/snapd 2.32.6.  same vlc (337).
[14:37] <jdstrand> thresh: to be clear, that snap info was done on the debian system?
[14:38] <thresh> jdstrand, correct. coal is my debian machine.
[14:39] <jdstrand> thresh: I'm going to try to reproduce this. in your Debian testing machine, what do you install to get a typical KDE environment?
[14:39] <jdstrand> thresh: apt-get install ...?
[14:40] <thresh> ugh, tough question
[14:40] <thresh> on regular 16.04 ubuntu it's enough to reproduce that issue with XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=KDE snap run vlc -vvv
[14:41] <jdstrand> thresh: I didn't know if there was some meta package there
[14:41] <thresh> without any kde stuff installed afaict
[14:41] <jdstrand> thresh: the difference on 16.04 will be strict mode though...
[14:42] <jdstrand> I mean, it could be the same underlying issue, just trying to distill this down a bit
[14:42] <thresh> I mean you don't really need to run under KDE, setting that env var should be enough to tell Qt5 you're on KDE.
[14:43] <jdstrand> I understand. but Debian vs Ubuntu will change the system confinement
[14:43] <thresh> kde-plasma-desktop I guess
[14:43] <jdstrand> anyway, I'll figure it out
[14:43] <thresh> is the name of the package
[14:43] <jdstrand> thanks
[14:57] <Chipaca> pedronis: mvo: should the connectivity check retry?
[14:57] <Chipaca> eg should it do client.Get, or httputil.RetryRequest
[14:58] <pedronis> Chipaca: should probably retry but a bit less agressively, less max time than normal?
[14:58] <Chipaca> bah, there's two axes: client.Get vs store.doRequest (which could refresh a macaroon etc), and direct vs httputil.RetryRequest
[14:59] <pedronis> the refresh macaroon bit is annoying
[15:00] <pedronis> it's less an issue with SnapAction though
[15:00] <pedronis> Chipaca: I think more than /details we probably want the new not existing action for download
[15:00] <Chipaca> pedronis: it's more of an issue for details than for snap action?
[15:00] <pedronis> Chipaca: if the macaroon is expired  /details will 401 on you
[15:01] <pedronis> SnapAction will still return a result
[15:01] <pedronis> but tell btw
[15:01] <pedronis> so you can ignore the refresh macaroon bit
[15:01] <pedronis> (which is a bit odd to do in here)
[15:02] <Chipaca> pedronis: the problem is the device macaroon, right?
[15:02] <Chipaca> device session?
[15:02] <pedronis> yes
[15:02] <Chipaca> ye
[15:03] <pedronis> basically if we use /details for now
[15:03] <pedronis> we need all the dance
[15:03] <pedronis> later we can do what we will do for download/prepare-image
[15:03] <pedronis> and cut some of the code
[15:03] <Chipaca> ah, for the days of yore, when men were men and everything was plaintext
[15:04] <Chipaca> pedronis: so I'll use retry with a doRequest, and add a TODO to move it to the new thing explaining why
[15:05] <pedronis> Chipaca: basically later we should be able to use some variant of Store.snapAction (the internal helper that doesn't refresh on itself)
[15:06] <Chipaca> hmmm
[15:06] <pedronis> maybe
[15:06] <pedronis> it's trade offs
[15:06] <Chipaca> what's https://dashboard.snapcraft.io/dev/api/
[15:06] <Chipaca> ?
[15:06] <Chipaca> in particular, what's that license list
[15:07] <pedronis> I don't know
[15:08] <pedronis> it doesn't seem ideal to hit though
[15:12] <pedronis> Chipaca: it's api metadata
[15:13] <pedronis> and the license bit seems buggy
[15:13] <Chipaca> pedronis: yes
[15:14] <pedronis> it hits the db (lightly)
[15:14] <pedronis> channel and release come from the db afaict
[15:14] <pedronis> anyway not completely ideal
[15:16] <pedronis> it's cached though afaict
[16:24] <Chipaca> eeep
[16:24] <Chipaca> rabbitholes
[16:31] <mvo> Chipaca: haha, yeah, steal the fun, thats fine. more fun Tuesday when you work on the snapd snap :)
[16:32] <mvo> xnox: thanks, I saw the bug I will have a look Tues (Mon is a holiday here)
[16:41] <cachio__> __    62221
[16:46] <cachio__> .
[16:48]  * cachio__ afk
[17:28] <mup> PR snapd#5177 opened: interfaces/builtin: allow access to libGLESv* too for opengl interface <Created by morphis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5177>
[17:46] <mup> PR snapd#5178 opened: interfaces/builtin: initial version of the anbox-support interface <Created by morphis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5178>
[20:07] <om26er> popey: where does vim' snap packaging live ? (is uploaded by snapcrafters)
[20:08] <om26er> and the current version apparently does not work
[23:31] <popey> om26er: no idea! dunno who uploaded that
[23:31] <popey> om26er: sergio


[00:00] <Q-FUNK> BUGabundo: it's just a front end for apt
[00:02] <Q-FUNK> same result as apt.  gdb bt reports a broken libsdtc++6
[00:02] <BUGabundo> ahh
[00:02] <BUGabundo> good luck
[00:05] <Q-FUNK> I tried scp'ing libstdc++6 and reinstalling it, but no luck. it's got to be something else.
[00:07] <trism> Q-FUNK: probably not a problem with that library, but rather someplace in apt passing bad arguments to it (like an unexpected NULL pointer)
[00:07] <Q-FUNK> could be
[00:10] <Q-FUNK> heh.  ubuntu-bug also segfaults
[00:35] <pooltable> where can i get alpha 2 ?
[00:36] <charlie-tca> next week, maybe when it releases?
[00:36] <pooltable> ok
[00:37] <sudipta> smon grabbing 11.10 alpha2?
[00:38] <bazhang> !isitout
[00:38] <bazhang> whoops
[00:38] <bazhang> sudipta, its not out yet
yeah....i think!today is june 30
yeah....i think!today is june 30
[00:40] <KM0201> does anyone know where to download the alpha of Lubuntu?
[00:43] <charlie-tca> !lubuntu
[00:44] <KM0201> charlie-tca: i'm in lubuntu, nobody is answering, that channel is pretty dead for the most part.
[00:44] <charlie-tca> Did you try their wiki?
[00:44] <KM0201> charlie-tca: also, to my knowledge, Lubuntu will be an official derivative w/ 11.10
[00:44] <charlie-tca> It was on it
[00:44] <charlie-tca> yes, it will be. and when the images are on the canonical servers, it will be easier, won't it?
[00:45] <KM0201> charlie-tca: i don't see any links to a ISO on the wiki, when i click the "testing here" link... there's no link to an ISO
[00:45] <charlie-tca> Sorry
[00:45] <KM0201> charlie-tca: you would hope so.
[00:47] <KM0201> unfortunately all the "Lubuntu" searches, just turn back Ubuntu
[00:47] <charlie-tca> Maybe you just have to wait for them to repond on IRC then
[00:48] <KM0201> yeah...
[00:48] <KM0201> i'm just bored
[00:48] <KM0201> want something to do.
[00:48] <KM0201> i put 11.10 ubuntu on a thumb drive yesterday
[00:48] <KM0201> none of the "side icons" worked, so it was pretty difficult to get much of a feel for it.
yeah....i think!today is june 30
[00:53] <pooltable> km0201 do you like it the look of 11.10?
[00:53] <KM0201> pooltable: i couldn't really use it... so i don't know.. honestly though, i'm kinda hooked on lxde.
[00:54] <pooltable> lxde?
[00:54] <pooltable> is there a image of lxde ?
[00:54] <KM0201> pooltable: thats what i've been here asking.. :)  looking for an image of lubuntu 11.10
[00:54] <KM0201> http://www.lubuntu.net
[00:55] <pooltable> km0201 ic
[00:55] <KM0201> it'll be an official derivative when 11.10 hits... 11.04 is a community release.
[00:55] <KM0201> but it's awesome.
[00:57] <KM0201> pooltable: http://imagebin.org/160662
[00:58] <KM0201> i love it's simple, clean look.
[00:59] <pooltable> km0201 is that your dest top?
[00:59] <KM0201> Lubuntu
[01:00] <KM0201> oh, yes
[01:00] <KM0201> thats my desktop (well, laptop actually.. :))
[01:00] <pooltable> what is the icon next to gimp?
[01:00] <KM0201> Parole Media Player
[01:00] <pooltable> the x one then the other one?
[01:01] <KM0201> from left to right....
[01:01] <pooltable> parole is it better then vlc?
[01:01] <KM0201> is a file browser, terminal, chrome, t-bird, pidgin, skype, xchat, gimp, parole, audacious, frostwire
[01:01] <pooltable> the one to the left with the x
[01:02] <KM0201> pooltable: i like them both.. but i think Parole is definitely "lighter" than VLC, while VLC is more versatile (if you use it for streams, etc.)
[01:02] <KM0201> i have VLC on my system, but i really like parole, and have pretty much been using it exclusively
[01:02] <pooltable> how it frostwire?
[01:02] <pooltable> is
[01:02] <KM0201> pooltable: i've never had a problem with it.. used it since like 6.06 i think.
[01:03] <KM0201> long as you have java installed, it'll work fine.
[01:04] <pooltable> fostwire better then lime wire?
[01:04] <KM0201> pooltable: basically the same thing really, except Limewire was ordered by courts to shut down.
[01:04] <pooltable> ok next side the green check mark what yellow x ?
[01:05] <trism> KM0201: found it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing via https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg04193.html
[01:05] <KM0201> frostwire is essentually an open source version of limewire.
[01:05] <KM0201> trism: thank you.
[01:06] <KM0201> pooltable: the icons on the right, are active programs that i have open.. the "sun" is a weather applet, the purple thing is piddgin, the green check is skype, the x is xchat
[01:06] <pooltable> km0201 ok thanks
[01:06] <KM0201> pooltable: the black box w/ the "green" waves in it, is a CPU use monitor, beside that, is just an easy icon to click when i want to kill an app
[01:07] <pooltable> km0201 i got that
[01:07] <KM0201> it lists current programs, then i can just kill whatever.
[01:08] <KM0201> trism: thanks, downloading now.
[01:09] <pooltable> km0201 yes with the kill thing i have VBA= gmae boy adavance emu when i exit it i still have to kill the window the game in still playing in is there a way a round this?
[01:09] <sudipta> !lubuntu
[01:09] <KM0201> hmm, not sure.
[01:09] <sudipta> !lubuntu
[01:09] <sudipta> !ubuntu
[01:10] <KM0201> sudipta: ?
sorry....just want to know about '!'
[01:12] <KM0201> oh
[01:12] <KM0201> !msgthebot > sudipta :)
  :)
thnx
[01:13] <KM0201> np
[01:13] <KM0201> !msgthebot > KM0201
[01:15] <pooltable> !msgthebot
[01:16] <pooltable> ok
[01:16] <KM0201> lol
[01:19] <sudipta> !msgthebot >sudipta
[01:19] <KM0201> ok, gonna create a lubuntu 11.10 usb and boot it, be back in a minute.
[01:21] <pooltable> km0201 trying lub on vbox
[01:22] <pooltable> where did you fime 11.10
[01:22] <pooltable> fine
[01:36] <KM0201> ok, back
[01:37] <pooltable> did it work?
[01:37] <KM0201> yup
[01:37] <KM0201> on it now
[01:37] <pooltable> where did you fine 11.10?
[01:38] <KM0201> someone posted the link earlier.
[01:38] <pooltable> do you like it ?
[01:38] <KM0201> well, i just booted it..lol
[01:38] <KM0201> but i like 11.04, so i can't imagine 11.10 being any worse
[01:38] <pooltable> do you sill have the link?
[01:38] <KM0201> i do notice the networking icon doesn't work...
[01:38] <KM0201> it works if you click it (shows my wireless networks).. but it's just a red circle.. rather than the "networking applet"
[01:38] <pooltable> but 11.10 is still testing stage
[01:39] <KM0201> that's probably just a path issue to the icon.
[01:39] <KM0201> pooltable: yes, very early, i wouldn't install it, it's alpha 1, it's not due until november.. but if you just want to put it on USB and try it, it'll probably be ok.
[01:39] <pooltable> i try it on vbox
[01:39] <pooltable> once i fine it
[01:39] <KM0201> that should work to.
[01:40] <KM0201> like i said, unfortunately the link is on my Lubuntu install on my hard drive.
[01:40] <pooltable> installed 10.4 now
[01:41] <pooltable> well once you get back to it send it here<EMAIL_ADDRESS>thanks
[01:41] <KM0201> well, i'll forget your email by then..lol
[01:41] <pooltable> ok
[01:41] <KM0201> hold on, lemme see if i can access my xchat logs on my hard drive.
[01:41] <pooltable> that sucks
[01:42] <KM0201> can you scroll up?.. someone posted the link for me... and i told them thanks.
[01:42] <KM0201> his name started w/ a T
[01:43] <pooltable> trsim?
[01:44] <pooltable> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing
[01:44] <KM0201> yup
[01:44] <KM0201> i was just looking through my log on my hard drive... that's the link
[01:45] <KM0201> i could have put it in vbox, but my laptop has crappy specs, barely runs one OS well, let alone 2.. :)
[01:47] <pooltable> i c my computer is also old
[01:47] <pooltable> it run but some time real sl o w
[01:47] <KM0201> yeah.. thats my issue.
[01:48] <KM0201> only thing i use Vbox for, is syncing my zune.. i start xp in vbox, sync, then shut it down,.
[01:48] <KM0201> for that 3-4min, i can deal w/ my host OS being kinda slow.
[01:48] <pooltable> try parole like it
[01:49] <KM0201> yah, parole is good.
[01:49] <KM0201> ok, gonna boot back to my install... i'll play w/ this later.
[01:49] <KM0201> brb.
[10:34] <snadge> this is likely covered somewhere obvious that i should look first
[10:35] <snadge> but i have a new amd bobcat system with integrated radeon graphics that im using as a htpc
[10:37] <snadge> and i have to install catalyst from amd manually.. and versions of libva1, libva-dev and xvba-video from splitted desktop systems, in order to have vaapi support (accelerated video decoding) with xbmc/mythtv/ffmpeg/mplayer/gstreamer etc.. all of those things also need to be recompiled manually
[10:39] <snadge> ive read briefly somewhere that oneiric will have improvements with regards to gpu video acceleration on non nvidia hardware.. which is relatively new ground in linux
[10:42] <snadge> now that vaapi is gpled and works as a common video accel api for amd, intel, nvidia, s3, powervr etc.. it would be nice to see that stuff included
[11:51] <alkisg> Hi, I have a kernel regression with a CDROM device (worked on lucid, doesn't work on maverick/natty)
[11:52] <alkisg> How can I try the oneiric kernel in Lucid?
[11:52] <alkisg> I tried the latest from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ but module-init version isn't compatible
[11:53] <alkisg> Can I manually install module-init from oneiric to my lucid? Or that will break something else?
[11:54] <geser> alkisg: try asking the kernel team in #ubuntu-kernel if you don't get an answer here
[11:54] <alkisg> Thank you geser
[13:40] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[15:45] <saamm> hello a new icon will come in oneiric???
[15:45] <saamm> theme
[15:55] <lucidfox> Gah
[15:55] <lucidfox> After an upgrade, all my indicators have disappeared
[15:55] <lucidfox> from Unity
[16:01] <davidcalle> lucidfox, installing indicator-*-gtk2 packages will solve this.
[16:02] <davidcalle> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1792797
[16:02] <davidcalle> For reference ^
[16:03] <genii-around> Interesting. Not all the time but maybe once every 8-10 times... I right-click in FF on a link, then the context menu appears to goes insane, blinking on and off and moving, then settles down on bottom right of screen eventually
[16:04] <davidcalle> lucidfox, OR wait a few hours until Unity 4.0.1-0ubuntu3 lands in Oneiric.
[16:39] <sudipta> is 11.10 alpha 2 out?
[16:40] <Ian_Corne> !release
[16:40] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[16:40] <Ian_Corne> !schedule
[16:40] <Ian_Corne> 7th sudipta
[16:40] <Ian_Corne> I'll be gone on vacation :(
[16:41] <Ian_Corne> today is debianimport freeze
June 30th, 2011 - Alpha 2 release...is what i know from web
[16:44] <Ian_Corne> well if you go the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule link
[16:44] <Ian_Corne> it says july 7th
[16:47] <sudipta> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-11-10-Release-Schedule-189959.shtml
[16:48] <Ian_Corne> .. so you're gonna believe that site over an official ubuntu site?
ok...i get it..dont get mad at me :=D
[16:50] <Ian_Corne> ahnee, mss heeI'm not mad, just surprised :)
me too
[16:59] <lucidfox> davidcalle, thanks, installing the just-built version of unity helped
[17:00] <davidcalle> lucidfox, yw :)
[18:49] <lucidfox> BLARG!!!!!!!
[18:50] <lucidfox> Why does a system freeze erase Tomboy notes?
[18:50] <lucidfox> I rebooted and the note I've been writing is GONE
[18:51] <lucidfox> grrrr
[18:51] <lucidfox> isn't there timed autosave or something
[18:55]  * lucidfox sighs
[18:55] <lucidfox> I'll have to retype the whole thing from scratch, won't I
[18:56] <lucidfox> What point is there in using Tomboy over a text editor if it just eats your data like that
[19:09] <BluesKaj> lucidfox, is there areson not use gedit ?
[19:09] <BluesKaj> a reason
[19:10] <lucidfox> Yes. Autosave.
[19:10] <lucidfox> Which, as it turns out, is unreliable and can kill my data altogether. :S
[19:12] <BluesKaj> well , I use kate in kde and save after making changes and saving it saves another version of the text file if you're root
[19:13] <BluesKaj> I thought gedit would have a similar method
[19:15] <lucidfox> "I use $other_app" is not a valid defense against a bug
[19:28] <BluesKaj> lucidfox, then file a bug , this is an alpha release afterall
[19:29] <lucidfox> there's already a bug for that, and it's been there before oneiric -_-
[19:30] <BluesKaj> uhm , then why do you keep using it ?
[22:43] <taneli> oneiric server install failed with creative prodikeys keyboard at "select a language" prompt, known defect?
[22:48] <BUGabundo> evening
[22:50] <KM0201> o/
[23:47] <danie39> is there a way to change the desktop background of different desktops ?for eexample have desktop 1 be a sunrise desktop 2 be a midday picture and desktop 3 be sunset
[23:48] <KM0201> danie39: not sure about unity, but there was an app you could install w/ Gnome 2.x, that would do that.
[23:49] <KM0201> why that capability isn't enabled by default, like it is w/ KDE, i'll never know.
[23:49] <danie39> ok im still on 10.10 just figured u guys would know what is this ap called?
[23:49] <KM0201> oh ok.
[23:49] <KM0201> hang on a sec, lemme find it.
[23:50] <danie39> yeh i loved 11.04 but couldnt get internet to work on my vostro 1000 so gave up and just reverted
[23:51] <KM0201> couldn'tget the internet to work?.. wireless?
[23:51] <danie39> yeh
[23:51] <KM0201> hmm, most of the links say you have to hve compiz to do it.. i thought there was an app to do it w/o compiz
[23:51] <KM0201> whats your wireless device, do you know?
[23:52] <danie39> uh isnt there something i can type into the terminal to find out ?
[23:52] <KM0201> lspci
[23:52] <KM0201> (lowercase L)
[23:53] <KM0201> unfortunately all the stuff i'm turning up on the wallpaper issue, involve compiz.
[23:53] <KM0201> http://ubuntuguide.net/different-wallpapers-on-each-workspace-in-ubuntu
[23:55] <danie39> hmm do u think in like a week if i upgraded to 11.04 u would be able to get my wireless working ?
[23:56] <danie39> cause i might jsut say f it to this personlizing if i can get it working cause i realy do miss 11.04 my computer didnt flicker when wacthing online videos in fllscreen and i just liked the quick search with the windows key
[23:57] <KM0201> danie39: well, i don't know what device it is.
[23:57] <danie39> http://paste.ubuntu.com/636059/
[23:57] <danie39> now i wont be able to do it cause im on vacation right now and using my phone for coenction and updating it to 11.04 would take literally forever
[23:57] <KM0201> danie39: the 4311 shoudl be very easy to get working w/ 11.04 (not i said *should*)
[23:59] <danie39> im jsut realy dumb with this stuff and need a step by step someone showing me how to im just not good at grasping this terminal stuff
[23:59] <danie39> but def love this stuff way better then windows