[00:00] <NoelJB> I know :-)
[00:00] <NoelJB> was just writing a bash script to wget them all.
[00:00] <BUGabundo> NoelJB: err
[00:00] <yofel> well, ok, you don't need the -dev and -dbg ones ;)
[00:01] <BUGabundo> aptitude safe-upgade?
[00:01] <NoelJB> BUGabundo: they aren't yet in the repos.
[00:01] <BUGabundo> I can wait then
[00:02] <dupondje> update ! :P
[00:02] <NoelJB> dupondje: been doing it.  still not :-)
[00:02] <yofel> ok, it's synced
[00:02] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, sorry missed your ping, was out staining my night stand, still need help?
[00:03] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: not anymore
[00:03] <billybigrigger> sorry :(
[00:03] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: DON'T upgrade if you are on x64
[00:03] <billybigrigger> :P
[00:03] <billybigrigger> roger
[00:03] <dupondje> still broken ?
[00:04] <billybigrigger> what are we waiting for?
[00:04] <billybigrigger> gtk+2.0 (2.17.5-0ubuntu2)?
[00:05] <yofel> billybigrigger: exactly ;)
[00:05] <billybigrigger> roger
[00:05] <NoelJB> still not in  the repos for me.
[00:05] <dupondje> indeed
[00:05] <dupondje> :P
[00:06] <dupondje> it downgraded again here :x
[00:07] <dupondje> nobody has this (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/391035) issue btw ?
[00:07] <BUGabundo> dupondje: nope
[00:07] <dupondje> really strange :s
[00:07] <dupondje> have it really every every time :(
[00:11] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, what's the link to the +1 irc stats page you guys had posted the other day?
[00:12] <billybigrigger> and did anyone ever find out why there are 2 volume icons?
[00:12] <yofel> billybigrigger: one is the old one, and the other comes from the new sound preferences
[00:12] <dupondje> billybigrigger: its a temp status, next upload of gnome-media? will fix it
[00:12] <billybigrigger> oooh ok
[00:13] <dupondje> billybigrigger: http://ubuntustats.dnsalias.net/ubuntu+1.html
[00:13] <BUGabundo> yep
[00:14] <BUGabundo> what they said :)
[00:14] <BUGabundo> heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy akgraner
[00:14] <BUGabundo> still no cloak on irc?? you are laggin behind new Member :)
[00:14] <akgraner> BUGabundo, hiiiiiii!  :-)
[00:14] <billybigrigger> roger
[00:14] <akgraner> i'm a slacker!!!
[00:14] <akgraner> doh!
[00:14]  * dupondje slaps the repo's
[00:15] <BUGabundo> eheh dupondje
[00:15] <BUGabundo> nothing here yet
[00:15] <BUGabundo> akgraner: I you are running karmic and x64 DON'T UPGRADE
[00:15] <BUGabundo> or you will lose all your icons
[00:15]  * akgraner goes to work on that..:-P
[00:15] <dupondje> btw, is there somebody that would like to look @ http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=332078
[00:16] <dupondje> need to solve the last issue, but can't find a proper way
[00:16] <akgraner> BUGabundo, ahh ok thanks!
[00:18] <dupondje> btw, doesn't it wait for the package to get builded on ALL systems to sync with repo's ?
[00:18] <BUGabundo> no
[00:18] <NoelJB> libgtk-bin and libgtk-common are not part of the upgrade?
[00:20] <BUGabundo> not yet build maybe?
[00:20] <billybigrigger> ia64 and armel are building
[00:20] <billybigrigger> nothing in queue for amd64
[00:20] <yofel> cause amd64 is build already
[00:21] <billybigrigger> just hasn
[00:21] <billybigrigger> 't hit repos
[00:21] <billybigrigger> stupid enter key
[00:21] <billybigrigger> stupid fat fingers :{
[00:22] <NoelJB> BUGabundo: nope: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/2.17.5-0ubuntu1/+build/1126041  it wasn't there either.  Something I must misunderstand about where those come from.
[00:22] <NoelJB> because they are here :-)
[00:23] <yofel> NoelJB: the -commmon packages are architecture independent so maybe they were built on some other machine
[00:26] <NoelJB> yofel. I was just noticing that.  :-)    libgtk2.0-0_2.17.5-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb versus libgtk2.0-bin_2.17.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb, so not in the x64 area.
[00:26] <NoelJB> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/29305043/libgtk2.0-bin_2.17.5-0ubuntu2_all.deb
[00:27] <yofel> I really don't know how LP handles does so don't ask me :P
[00:27] <yofel> s/does/those
[00:28] <NoelJB> and http://launchpadlibrarian.net/29305042/libgtk2.0-common_2.17.5-0ubuntu2_all.deb
[00:28] <NoelJB> so that's the whole set
[00:28] <NoelJB> given what was posted earlier
[00:28] <yofel> hm... why does syncing always take longest when you're waiting for it XD
[00:29] <NoelJB> The sheer perversity of nature. :-)
[00:29] <NoelJB> I'll be back after a restart ... guinea pig at play.
[00:30]  * BUGabundo waits a bit more
[00:30]  * billybigrigger watches BUGabundo waiting....
[00:30]  * yofel is tired of waiting
[00:31] <billybigrigger> stop.............
[00:31] <billybigrigger> hammer time!!!
[00:32]  * BUGabundo pokes billybigrigger with a latex pants!
[00:32] <billybigrigger> heh
[00:32] <yofel> wb NoelJB
[00:32] <NoelJB> OK, installing the ubuntu2 packages fixed gtk
[00:32] <yofel> hi DanaG
[00:33] <billybigrigger> good
[00:33] <billybigrigger> now we can all just wait a bit longer :P
[00:33] <yofel> NoelJB: a re-login would have been enough :P
[00:33] <NoelJB> So when they hit the repos, or for people who want to do this manually, all should be good.
[00:33] <NoelJB> yofel: I know, but for testing I prefer to force a clean start.
[00:34] <NoelJB> By the way, does anyone know why ... well, when the new login screen comes up, it shows a computer icon with the computer name, but if you click on the icon, the text switches to say "squeeze/sid".  Something that hasn't been cleaned up from debian import?
[00:35] <BUGabundo> DanaG: be aware of UPGRADES on x86
[00:35] <BUGabundo> with broken GTK
[00:35] <Sarvatt> what the heck was I thinking, dug up an old server i forgot about and its formatted JFS :D
[00:35] <dupondje> BUGabundo: x64 ;)
[00:36] <Sarvatt> whats wrong with it?
[00:37] <NoelJB> nevermind.  known as bug 396805
[00:37] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: some ppl do like kinky stuff
[00:37] <BUGabundo> dupondje: doh
[00:37] <BUGabundo> see how late its for me ?
[00:37] <Sarvatt> whats wrong with gtk+?
[00:37] <NoelJB> Sarvatt: it was broken for a while today.
[00:38] <yofel> Sarvatt: bug 401938
[00:38] <Sarvatt> how so? sorry, dont have the chat log handy right now
[00:38] <Sarvatt> ahh
[00:38] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, what time is it?
[00:38] <yofel> Sarvatt: we're all waiting for the fix to hit the repos XD
[00:38] <yofel> and it just won't sync...
[00:39] <BUGabundo> 1am
[00:39] <BUGabundo> but I got up at 7
[00:39] <billybigrigger> grab a cup of coffee :D
[00:39] <BUGabundo> and had a very tireing day, and my eyes are killing me
[00:39] <BUGabundo> I don't drink coffee
[00:39] <Sarvatt> what does pkg-config --libs gdk-pixbuf-2.0 say for someone on x64 with a broken one?
[00:39] <BUGabundo> oh right we didn't let Sarvatt in the loop
[00:39] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[00:40] <BUGabundo> its what happens when one comes in late
[00:40] <billybigrigger> Sarvatt, -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lm -lgobject-2.0 -lgmodule-2.0 -lglib-2.0 FYI
[00:40] <Sarvatt> been trying to get my darn efika up all day but none of my 11 keyboards work on it lol
[00:40] <BUGabundo> $ pkg-config --libs gdk-pixbuf-2.0
[00:40] <BUGabundo> Package gdk-pixbuf-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[00:40] <BUGabundo> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gdk-pixbuf-2.0.pc'
[00:40] <BUGabundo> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
[00:40] <BUGabundo> No package 'gdk-pixbuf-2.0' found
[00:40] <BUGabundo> too tired to do pastebin :)
[00:40] <yofel> Sarvatt: acording to seb128 the png loader failed to build in the previous version - something with -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 not found
[00:40] <Sarvatt> no worries
[00:41] <billybigrigger> :O
[00:41] <Sarvatt> was just curious, im sure its fixed :D
[00:41] <billybigrigger> tsk tsk BUGabundo
[00:41] <billybigrigger> haha
[00:46] <NoelJB> Sarvatt: it IS fixed, based on that I wrote a script to pull directly from the build site and install. working fine.
[00:53] <billybigrigger> hmm long wait...
[00:54] <BUGabundo> gone
[00:54] <BUGabundo> tomorrow should be fixed
[00:54] <NoelJB> billybigrigger: waiting on the gtk update?
[00:54] <yofel> It's already been an hour since the build...
[00:54] <NoelJB> if you want, I'll post my install script.
[00:55] <billybigrigger> NoelJB, i can wait :P
[00:55] <yofel> bye BUGabundo
[00:55] <billybigrigger> just don't remember the last time it's taken this long for a package i've been waiting on to hit repos :P
[00:55] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, night
[00:55]  * BUGabundo /sbin/movearse sofa /dev/bed; ln -s eyeupperlid eyelowerlid
[00:56] <NoelJB> well, if anyone gets impatient: http://pastebin.com/d2cad08bf
[00:57] <NoelJB> I was lazy: fetched everything, but only installed what I actually use.
[00:58] <yofel> NoelJB: too lazy for 'dpkg -i *.deb'? :P
[01:00] <NoelJB> yofel: I could have edited down my wget list, but then someone else who needed more files would have to go find them.
[01:01] <yofel> ^^
[01:03] <yofel> hallelujah, the repos got synced...
[01:03] <yofel> finally
[01:04] <billybigrigger> its about time :P
[01:07] <billybigrigger> now everyone has went to bed haha
[01:26] <hggdh> anyone with problems on gnome on this last batch of updates?
[01:27] <yofel> hggdh: no icons - fixed
[01:29] <NoelJB> hggdh: earlier today, yes.  *ubuntu1 broken, *ubuntu2 fixed.
[01:30] <hggdh> in my case I have the panel flashing about once every .2 seconds (give or take .1 seconds)
[01:32] <hggdh> so I am now under xfce, still missing some updates (and network-manager complains about some critical missing resources, and dies)
[01:32] <billybigrigger> apt-cache policy libgtk2.0-0
[01:32] <billybigrigger> hggdh, says what?
[01:32] <hggdh> checking
[01:33] <hggdh> 2.17.5-0ubuntu1
[01:33] <billybigrigger> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:33] <billybigrigger> my friend :P
[01:34] <billybigrigger> update hit repos only a few minutes ago so...
[01:34] <billybigrigger> what does candidate say?
[01:34] <billybigrigger> ubuntu2?
[01:34] <hggdh> billybigrigger: will do as soon as the current apt run finishes
[01:34] <hggdh> right now in the middle of one dist-upgrade
[01:35] <billybigrigger> roger
[01:40] <hggdh> yes, a new libgtk2.0-0 is being installed now
[01:40] <maxb> ah, I have the panel flashy sillyness too
[01:40] <hggdh> good, I have company ;-)
[01:41] <DanaG> hmm, my panels are just fine, oddly enough.
[01:41] <maxb> hmm. architecture specific?
[01:42] <DanaG> Linux EliteBook 2.6.31-3-generic #19-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jul 14 16:07:02 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[01:43] <hggdh> and compiz is dead, and network-manager, and about half of Gnome
[01:47] <hggdh> well. 49 minutes to download all, at an amazing speed of 40KB/s
[01:53] <DanaG> what's the bad one, and what's the good one?
[01:53] <DanaG> ah, libgtk
[01:53] <DanaG> ubuntu2 is good one?
[01:53] <yofel> DanaG: yes
[01:53] <yofel> the ubuntu1 one is missing the icon loader for png icons - breaks just about everything
[01:53] <DanaG> oh, no wonder mine works fine.  I'm on Version: 2.17.4-0ubuntu2
[01:54] <DanaG> note the '4'
[01:54] <yofel> and the bug is x64 only
[01:54] <DanaG> Linux EliteBook 2.6.31-3-generic #19-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jul 14 16:07:02 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[01:54]  * DanaG is on 64-bit.
[01:55]  * hggdh also
[02:00] <maxb> latest updates do fix it
[02:37] <mac9416> Hello, I am working on making a submission for Karmic's default wallpaper. I'm editing a Wiki page now, but I don't know how to upload my images. Do I have to an image-bucket?
[02:53] <rww> mac9416: click "Attachments" at the top of the page, then upload it there. Then, within the page, you'd want to do something like {{attachment:example.png}}
[02:53] <Pici> Okay thats odd.  mpd just started playing music.
[02:53] <rww> Pici: that's the fanfare that accompanies all messages by me
[02:53] <mac9416> :-D
[02:54] <Pici> I didn't have any music type applications open. I was reading something on firefox.
[02:54] <mac9416> Twilight Zone?
[02:56] <Pici> Well, I was looking at a photo of a beach when this steel drum music started to play.  It was eerie.
[03:04] <Pici> I'd file a bug, but I don't know how to diagnose something that just starts working on its own.
[03:06] <mac9416> Well, fellas, I'm not going to be able to get it all done tonight, Thanks for your help, g'night.
[03:12] <Hobbsee> hm, how can I force X to detect an external monitor at a higher resolution than it does now?
[03:12] <NoelJB> Hobbsee, that can depend on the monitor.  New modern monitors should report them resolution.  Older ones ... well, nothing to do but force it as far as I know.
[03:13] <Hobbsee> NoelJB: i'm not sure if it's jsut the graphics card not handling the high resolution - it can be done in display properties when connected to another machine.  Do you have information on forcing it?
[03:14] <NoelJB> By "force" I meant manual config of xorg.conf
[03:14] <NoelJB> It all works fine with a different graphics card?
[03:15] <Hobbsee> well, after turning off mirror mode, yes
[03:15] <Hobbsee> (different aspect ratios on the screen)
[04:10] <silence144> hello all I was wondering of someone could tell me if grub2 has been fixed in the karmic nightly builds?
[04:15] <silence144> Anyboby here?
[04:17] <DanaG> !anybody
[04:17] <DanaG> i.e. "is it fixed" -- depends on what the problem was.
[04:18] <silence144> Dana G when I installed the alpha 2 grub gave a boot error
[04:19] <silence144> As I did not read the notes first lol what else is new,I did not know grub was amiss just wondering so I can try again
[04:20] <silence144> thanks for your reply I'll download the nightly and give it a try.
[04:20] <silence144> later all
[04:20] <Tekno> morning
[04:57] <skyjumper> is nvidia broken?
[04:59] <skyjumper> just upgraded to latest kernel and nvidia-glx-180, X is saying the kernel module isn't loaded
[05:04] <Tefad> did you reboot?
[05:05] <Tefad> or reinstall the nvidia drivers..
[05:05] <Tefad> however that works
[05:07] <skyjumper> hmmm... should there be a kernel package without an associated restricted-modules package?
[05:29] <uman> !info ghc6
[05:29] <uman> lame
[05:29] <uman> ooh it does work
[05:55] <DanaG> *** glibc detected *** /usr/bin/gksu: double free or corruption (!prev): 0x000000000144c200 ***
[05:56] <DanaG> yargh.
[06:05] <durt> after some inactivity, possibly screen saver/power save/suspend/hibernate, Xorg goes to 98% cpu and keyboard/mouse are locked up. Old S3 virge using vesa server. any thoughts?
[07:10] <oldude67> ok with me having video issues with the -3 kernel where is the best place to find docs on updating my system to a newer kernel?
[07:35] <oldude67> can someone give me a link to a kernel update for this version of ubuntu please.id like to try and fix my video.
[07:38] <oldude67> ah never mind i havent found any newer then the one i have anyways.
[07:43] <oldude67> ok next question anyone know when the next kernel release is scheduled?
[08:13] <billybigrigger> oldude67, try in a few days
[08:24] <oldude67> billybigrigger, ty
[10:26] <wraund> is there like a troubleshooting page for 9.10... I am having some serious problems >.>
[10:37] <ikonia> wraund: to use the beta products you should have a grasp of at least basic troubleshooting
[10:38] <ikonia> wraund: what's the problem ?
[10:49] <torkiano> hello, tha last update has broke my gnome session
[10:49] <torkiano> anyone else?
[10:49] <torkiano> I can't loggin
[10:51] <wraund> torkiano: be more specific, I may have had the same problem..
[10:58] <torkiano> wraund, the screen flickers all the time
[11:03] <torkiano> wraund, I have installed the new GDM
[11:03] <torkiano> maybe that is the problem
[12:12] <mattik> Hello. How do I fix grub? I don't have windows entry on it after installing. It started allways Kubuntu
[12:13] <mattik> I'm using Kubuntu 9.10 alpha 2
[12:47] <gnomefreak> !grub2
[12:47] <gnomefreak> !grub
[12:47] <gnomefreak> mattik: see the links above
[12:47] <yofel_> mattik: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Dual-booting
[12:48] <yofel_> gnomefreak: ubottu doesn't know anything about grub2 yet :/
[12:48] <mattik> Thank you! gnomefreak you are still here. It's a over year when I used Kubuntu
[12:48] <gnomefreak> yofel_: ill fix it when i get time
[12:48] <yofel_> thx :)
[12:50] <mattik> My freenode password have disappeared and I have asked it so many times that I try to be now without identify
[12:51] <gnomefreak> !grub2 is <reply> GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager in Karmic. For more information on GRUB2 please refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
[12:51] <gnomefreak> yofel: fixed
[12:51] <gnomefreak> !grub2
[12:51] <yofel> yay :D
[12:53] <mattik> thank you friends :)
[12:58] <mattik> it worked :) thank you
[12:59] <mattik> how about blocked updates? Is it better to wait or force update it?
[13:00] <mattik> them
[13:11] <mac9416> If y'all don't mind me recycling my question, I'll copy and paste it from #ubuntu :-)
[13:11] <mac9416> "I am still trying to understand how to add my images to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Backgrounds/Default I have uploaded the images, I just don't know how to add them to the page."
[13:11] <yofel> mattik: you can use aptitude to see what's holding them back, but forcing them is usually a bad idea
[13:12] <mattik> yofel: thank you :)
[13:14] <yofel> mattik: click on 'attachments' in the top bar, upload your image, go back to the wiki site, click edit, and add your pic like everybody else (you'll see how they added it when you edit the page)
[13:14] <yofel> mac9416: ^^
[13:15] <yofel> mattik: sry, <tab> got the wrong one ^^
[13:15] <mattik> np
[13:15] <mac9416> yofel, OK, Lemme find the edit button. Haven't seen it yet
edit got it :-P
[13:16] <mac9416> Well, I feel dumb. Thanks, yofel.
[13:48] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/391035 <- can somebody test, but with terminal window MAXIMIZED ! :)
[13:49] <Bmw1000c> everythings normal here
[13:51] <dupondje> with gnome-terminal maximized ?
[13:55] <Bmw1000c> yes, maximized
[13:56] <Bmw1000c> and the same with full screen
[13:56] <dupondje> strange :s
[13:57] <Bmw1000c> what internet speed do you have?
[13:57] <Bmw1000c> Reading package lists... Done 55%] 131kB/s 4s
[14:06] <Bmw1000c> !paste
[14:06] <Bmw1000c> dupondje http://paste.ubuntu.com/223544/
[14:08] <Bmw1000c> !pastebinit
[14:08] <Bmw1000c> cool
[14:08] <dupondje> Bmw1000c: it doesn't matter the internet speed
[14:08] <dupondje> have it with 100kb & 1000kb
[14:08] <dupondje> :(
[14:08] <Bmw1000c> oh, ok
[14:13] <Bmw1000c> hmm just noticed that notification popup is very small now
[14:15] <miklcct> !bot
[14:15] <miklcct> Qt: 4.5.2
[14:15] <miklcct> KDE: 4.2.96 (KDE 4.2.96 (KDE 4.3 RC2))
[14:15] <miklcct> kde4-config: 1.0
[14:25] <Andphe> Hi there, since yesterday I lost some icons, the new wave theme doesn't show borders for buttons (or any other control), anyone with the issue ?
[14:27] <dupondje> Andphe: u installed updated today also ?
[14:28] <dupondje> amd64 system ?
[14:28] <yofel> Andphe: what version of libgtk2.0-0 do you have?
[14:28] <Andphe> Linux andphe-desktop 2.6.31-3-generic #19-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jul 14 16:07:02 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[14:29] <yofel> Andphe: if you have libgtk2.0-0 version 2.17.5-0ubuntu1 then please update, it's broken
[14:29] <Andphe> http://paste.ubuntu.com/223553/
[14:29] <Bmw1000c> yep upgrade it
[14:30] <Andphe> ok
[14:31] <Andphe> I don't see any update available
[14:31] <Andphe> wich repo do you use ?
[14:32] <yofel> hm, if you have -ubuntu2 then it should work
[14:32] <yofel> did you re-login after the upgrade ?
[14:32] <Andphe> well, that was yesterday, I shutdown it
[14:32] <Andphe> but I've not restarted since today updates
[14:33] <Andphe> I'll try
[14:40] <oldude67> just had a xorg-server update for intel, would that mean my intel video might work with the -3 kernel now?
[14:41] <oldude67> ok, well reboot and find out be back in a sec. lol
[14:42] <Andphe> it worked
[14:42] <Andphe> sorry waste your time
[14:43] <Bmw1000c> eheh Andphe :)
[14:44] <yofel> Andphe: np ;)
[14:45] <Andphe> I promise restart after any update :P
[14:51] <Bmw1000c> oh gee i found a bug but it's hard to reproduce
[14:52] <Bmw1000c> lock screen
[14:52] <Bmw1000c> leave a blank message, click Save and dont move the mouse
[14:52] <Bmw1000c> and it show's the desktop
[14:53] <Bmw1000c> oh yeah
[14:55] <aboSamoor> i tried to upgrade ubuntu to 9.10 but I got this bug 332350, I restarted to get a black screen, now I am using my usb stick. can you help me to figure what is the problem ?
[14:57] <aboSamoor> should I make a fresh install instead ?
[15:01] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[15:02] <Bmw1000c> hello BluesKaj
[15:03] <BluesKaj> hi Bmw1000c
[15:03] <Bmw1000c> oh :( it's a known bug
[15:03] <Bmw1000c> bug 334441
[15:05] <yofel> Bmw1000c: to you have ccsm installed? I've got an idea
[15:05] <yofel> hi BluesKaj
[15:06] <Bmw1000c> no i dont
[15:06] <BluesKaj> hi yofel
[15:07] <yofel> Bmw1000c: install it then go to System->Preferences->CompizConfig Settings Manager
[15:07] <Bmw1000c> yes
[15:08] <yofel> then go to General Options
[15:08] <yofel> and under General disable 'Undirect Fullscreen Windows'
[15:09] <yofel> and try again
[15:09] <aboSamoor> can anyone help me to recover my system ?
[15:09] <Bmw1000c> unredirect :P
[15:09] <Bmw1000c> ok, disabled
[15:10] <yofel> ah ups ^^
[15:10] <Bmw1000c> and i can reproduce it
[15:10] <yofel> hm, ok, then that wasn't the problem
[15:10] <Bmw1000c> :( do you have the same problem?
[15:10] <yofel> cause I can't reproduce it here
[15:11] <gnomefreak> recover system is not enough info to help you
[15:11] <yofel> no, but when using fullscreen firefox or vlc I sometimes saw the desktop background with that option enabled
[15:11] <oldude67> ok new update for the xorg-intel update did not help with the intel video issues...arrrg..oh well thats the way the cookie crumbles i guess...:(
[15:12] <Bmw1000c> oh, i see
[15:12] <oldude67> anyway can i add my cdrom to fstab to get k3b or brasero to see it or will that not help?
[15:12] <gnomefreak> oldude67: it depedns on the issues not just will it fix the issues
[15:13] <oldude67> gnomefreak, for which problem are you referring too?
[15:13] <gnomefreak> oldude67: not sure you were the one referring to a problem
[15:13]  * gnomefreak has no intel or problem
[15:13] <Bmw1000c> ehe
[15:13] <gnomefreak> well bzr issues but thats not a package problem
[15:13] <gnomefreak> ha it worked
[15:14] <oldude67> gnomefreak, well my intel 915 isnt playing well with the -3 kernel
[15:14] <oldude67> and k3b and brasero isnt seeing my cd or dvd burners..so
[15:15] <BluesKaj> oldude67, nautilus doesn't see the cdrom with media cd or dvd in it ?
[15:15] <gnomefreak> oldude67: they are not related
[15:15] <oldude67> gnomefreak, i know that...im not that blond
[15:16] <oldude67> BluesKaj, let me check i know sysinfo sees them
[15:18] <gnomefreak> as i recall there are a few (not sure how many) bugs on intel drivers. i didnt look at changelog from karmic-changes list so i dont know what fixes were done
[15:23] <oldude67> BluesKaj, has an error with it saying it is write protected
[15:25] <oldude67> http://pastebin.com/mcc6a59f
[15:25] <BluesKaj> oldude67, the media has an error because it prolly is write protected ..if you placed a commercially produced cd or dvd in the drive
[15:26] <oldude67> BluesKaj, it has a blank cd in it
[15:27] <BluesKaj> ok, does youfstab have a /dev/ sr0 listed ? it's prolly at the bottom
[15:29] <BluesKaj> oldude67, something like this : dev/sr0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0 0
[15:30] <Sarvatt> oldude67: if you have a flickering problem that needs a kernel upgrade and there probably wont be a kernel upgrade for about a week because of alpha 3 getting released (plus the fixes arent in linus' tree yet so they might not even make it to rc4).. what you can do for now is just add i915.modeset=0 to grub after the quiet splash part
[15:30] <Sarvatt> anyone having problems with gpg and ssh agents just dying an hour or so after boot?
[15:32] <gnomefreak> that would help if there was a grub2 menu.lst :)
[15:32] <Sarvatt> its called /etc/default/grub
[15:32] <Sarvatt> then sudo update-grub2
[15:32] <gnomefreak> i havent gone playing in it yet
[15:32] <gnomefreak> Sarvatt: ah
[15:33] <yofel> !grub2 | gnomefreak
[15:33] <Sarvatt> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="whatever whatever2 whatever3" ya add it in there
[15:33] <yofel> :P
[15:33] <gnomefreak> yofel: ;)
[15:33] <oldude67> /dev/scd0       /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0       0
[15:33] <oldude67> /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto,exec,utf8 0       0
[15:33] <gnomefreak> i didnt say i read it i just added it
[15:34]  * gnomefreak been extreamly busy so far maybe it will calm down by lunch so i can get out of house
[15:34]  * gnomefreak gone for a while. my ;ag is going to be real bad in a minute
[15:34] <EagleScreen> Grub2 does not put in the menu list other OS than Linux in karmic for me
[15:35] <yofel> EagleScreen: see the wiki page section dual-booting
[15:35] <Sarvatt> shouldnt add that unless ya need it, i think oldude67 had a problem with flickering thats related  the fifo watermarking code used in KMS starting in 2.6.31-rc3 (alot of people are having that problem)
[15:35] <EagleScreen> I only have got Karmic and Vista, no way to show Vista in Grub2 menu
[15:35] <yofel> !grub2 > EagleScreen
[15:35] <gnomefreak> EagleScreen: the wiki above will tell you how
[15:35]  * gnomefreak still not here
[15:35] <EagleScreen> yes, reading
[15:36] <oldude67> Sarvatt, yes i was told that but there was an update this morning for the xorg intel video i  thought maybe it would of helped i was just stating that i checked and it didnt
[15:37] <Sarvatt> ah, its not something the xorg driver can fix unfortunately, when you use KMS like all of the kernels do by default since 2.6.30-10 alot of the things are handled in the kernel instead of the driver, but if you add i915.modeset=1 to grub you go back to using the driver controlled stuff
[15:37] <oldude67> for now i can boot up into the -2 kerenel which isnt to bad other then i still would like to be able to burn cds
[15:37] <EagleScreen> due this issue i am using GRUB legacy for now, i am going to test this workaround now, thanks
[15:40] <Sarvatt> do you have os-proper installed EagleScreen?
[15:40] <Sarvatt> prober
[15:40] <BluesKaj> EagleScreen, look in  /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[15:41] <Sarvatt> /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober
[15:41] <Sarvatt> that exist?
[15:41] <EagleScreen> I mean that Windows Vista does not appear when I put it in grub.cfg
[15:42] <BluesKaj> EagleScreen, psatebin your grub.cfg
[15:43] <EagleScreen> wait a moment, installing grub2 again
[15:46] <Sarvatt> you dont manually edit grub.cfg anymore
[15:46] <oldude67> i did notice that fstab it only says one thing about the cdrom and i have a cd and a dvd burner shouldnt there be two of them lines in there?
[15:47] <EagleScreen> i never edit grub.cfg I did it with /etc/grub.d scripts
[15:47] <Sarvatt> when you run sudo update-grub2 after installing grub2 can you upload your /etc/boot/grub.conf to pastebin to see whats happening?
[15:48] <EagleScreen> wait i just have installed grub2 after using grub-legacy for a few days, i will reboot now to see the results
[15:49] <EagleScreen> see you in a moment
[15:49] <Sarvatt> oh did you sudo update-grub-from-legacy or whatever?
[15:50] <BluesKaj> Sarvatt, my /etc/boot/grub.conf is empty , but I'm running grub2 , hence my /boot/grub/grub.cfg suggestion
[15:50] <Sarvatt> oops did I say .conf? i meant .cfg
[15:51] <Sarvatt> sorry
[15:52] <EagleScreen> hi again
[15:52] <EagleScreen> afer installing again grub2, menu is correct, the possible change is that now i have installed libdebian-installer4
[15:52] <Sarvatt> EagleScreen: did you run sudo update-grub-from-legacy to upgrade to grub2? or did you pick dont chainload when you reinstalled it?
[15:52] <EagleScreen> I didnt have that package installed
[15:52] <Sarvatt> ah
[15:53] <Sarvatt> did the grub screen look different this time than last time?
[15:53] <EagleScreen> yes, i run upgrade-grub-from-legacy, now GRUB2 1.96 menu is displayed
[15:54] <EagleScreen> Vista and Extra kernel are showed, all right
[15:54] <BluesKaj> Sarvatt,  /etc/boot/grub.cfg
[15:54] <EagleScreen> but i will test this week a clean installation of Alpha 3
[15:55] <BluesKaj> Sarvatt, /etc/boot/grub.cfg is also empty
[15:57] <Sarvatt> sounds like yer still using grib1 BluesKaj
[15:57] <Sarvatt> grub1 rather
[15:57] <BluesKaj> nope
[15:57] <Sarvatt> oh darnit..
[15:58] <Sarvatt> /boot/grub/menu.cfg
[15:58]  * Sarvatt needs coffee
[15:58] <Sarvatt> ACK
[15:58] <Sarvatt> /boot/grub/grub.cfg!
[15:58] <Sarvatt> LOL
[15:58] <oldude67> would updating grub help me with my cdrom issue?
[15:59] <oldude67> or is that for partitions?
[15:59] <EagleScreen> I used to recover grub-legacy by the command "grub-install --root-directory=/root/for/grub '(hd0)'", is this valid for grub2??
[15:59] <oldude67> thought it would be for them too?
[16:00] <Sarvatt> sudo grub-install /dev/whatever
[16:00] <Sarvatt> (is how I recover it, not sure if you dont have an existing grub.cfg in /boot/grub/)
[16:02] <EagleScreen> ok, thanks
[16:02] <Sarvatt> like, boot a livecd, mkdir /tmp/disk && mount /dev/sda1 /tmp/disk && sudo chroot /tmp/disk and then sudo grub-install /dev/sda1 in there
[16:08] <Sarvatt> oldude67: pastebin the output of ls -l /dev |grep -i cdrom ?
[16:16] <Sarvatt> or devkit-disks --show-info /dev/sr0
[16:17] <oldude67> http://pastebin.com/d3b944dc1
[16:19] <oldude67> and the other command got this in post
[16:19] <oldude67> http://pastebin.com/d4179f17c
[16:22] <Sarvatt> so if you click it in nautilus it gives that error in dmesg?
[16:22] <oldude67> yes
[16:22] <oldude67> oh wait no it gives me a error about being write protected
[16:22] <oldude67> hold on ill do a dmesg | tail and tell you
[16:24] <Sarvatt> yea thats the error i saw earlier
[16:24] <BluesKaj> oldude67, sudo update grub2,  after installing . Otherwise the legacy grub is still enabled
[16:25] <BluesKaj> err sudo update-grub2
[16:26] <oldude67> sudo update-grub2 command not found
[16:28] <Sarvatt> have to sudo upgrade-grub-from-legacy first
[16:28] <BluesKaj> ok if sudo update-grub works then grub isn't installed
[16:28] <BluesKaj> grub2 isn't installed
[16:28] <BluesKaj> damn KB is getting old like me :)
[16:29] <oldude67> says its not found either
[16:30] <oldude67> and the dmesg | grep is http://pastebin.com/d12685e91
[16:30] <oldude67> oops tail
[16:31] <oldude67> what am i missing on this grub update...ugh i know its me..lol
[16:32] <oldude67> have a feeling im going to use this computer as a test box only and build another one to use as my normal box
[16:34] <BluesKaj> oldude67, I'm curious , what does  grub -l output ?
[16:37] <BluesKaj> or apt-cache policy grub
[16:37] <oldude67> grub: invalid option -- 'l'
[16:37] <oldude67> Try ``grub --help'' for more information.
[16:38] <oldude67>  Installed: 0.97-29ubuntu56
[16:38] <oldude67>   Candidate: 0.97-29ubuntu56
[16:38] <oldude67>   Version table:
[16:38] <oldude67>  *** 0.97-29ubuntu56 0
[16:38] <oldude67>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com karmic/main Packages
[16:38] <oldude67>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[16:38] <Sarvatt> yep yer using grub1 then
[16:38] <oldude67> oops sorry for spamming
[16:38] <oldude67> didnt think it was that big
[16:39] <Sarvatt> sudo apt-get install grub-pc grub2 os-prober
[16:39] <oldude67> installing
[16:40] <oldude67> should i let it chain load?
[16:40] <Sarvatt> chain load never worked right for me
[16:41] <oldude67> ok
[16:41] <Sarvatt> ya could try it and see if it works then upgrade-grub-from-legacy to upgrade it later
[16:41] <oldude67> oops to late i told it not to..lol
[16:42] <oldude67> ok it set up grub2
[16:42] <oldude67> brb more coffee...lol...
[16:42] <Sarvatt> good idea :)
[16:44] <DanaG> grub2 wouldn't chainload, for me.
[16:44] <DanaG> I tried boot.img and core.img; neither worked.
[16:44] <oldude67> ok im back
[16:45] <BluesKaj> oldude67, sudo update-grub2 should generate grub.cfg , then find your linux images followed by the windows chainloader
[16:45] <DanaG> oh, and grub-efi is missing the gfxterm and vbe modules.
[16:47] <Sarvatt> because you need an efi framebuffer device to do those things, vesa doesnt exist in efi except through emulation and you can just use grub-pc if the emulation works
[16:48] <oldude67> so what am i looking for now?
[16:50] <DanaG> Well, the thing was, I tried a different grub.efi from the forums, and the gfxterm worked there.
[16:50] <DanaG> Oh, and something I really need to file a bug on, after all: UEFI booting recently broke -- system won't acknowledge the initramfs.
[16:50] <oldude67> and i do have a grub.cfg
[16:50] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/foo2zjs/+bug/398958  -- hah, I was wndering what the heck that was.
[16:51] <oldude67> guess i should of said that..lol
[16:51] <BluesKaj> oldude67, did sudo update-grub2 show it finding the linux images while generating the grub2 menu ?
[16:51] <oldude67> BluesKaj, yes
[16:53] <BluesKaj> cool , then check the  /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[16:53] <oldude67> i did and asked what i was suppose to be looking for..lol
[16:54] <BluesKaj> use a text editor
[16:54] <oldude67> yeah but dont know what im suppose to be looking for or that it made one?
[16:54] <oldude67> and it did make one
[16:55] <BluesKaj> it will show the menu
[16:56] <oldude67> yes it does
[16:56] <BluesKaj> then yer done
[16:56] <oldude67> k
[16:56] <BluesKaj> reboot if you wish
[16:56] <oldude67> sorry not to good with grub..use to using lilo more
[16:56] <MartinoT> Hi, your have encountered problems with the last update?
[16:56] <oldude67> well if it would help me get the cdroms working then great i will...but wait let me edit the menu.lst first so that i can put in the i915 settings first
[16:57] <yofel> MartinoT: what are yours?
[16:57] <MartinoT> I have a problem with the sidebars "blocked"
[16:58] <MartinoT> and always in the sidebar are missing all the icons and the functions are there in the top right (clock, audio volume etc. ..)
[16:59] <BluesKaj> oldude67, good luck with that , intel is a tough road these days
[17:00] <MartinoT> are the only?
[17:00] <oldude67> Sarvatt, do i just add i915.modeset=0 to that line?
[17:00] <yofel> MartinoT: if you have x64 and libgtk2.0-0 version 2.17.5-ubuntu1 then update and restart
[17:01] <oldude67> ok cross your fingers lol...reboot coming..lmao
[17:01] <Sarvatt> in /etc/default/grub oldude67
[17:01] <oldude67> Sarvatt, yes
[17:02] <Sarvatt> the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="whatever" part ya add it to the end, then run sudo upgrade-grub2 after
[17:02] <MartinoT> not X64 :S
[17:03] <yofel> MartinoT: what's your architecture then? (uname -m)
[17:04] <MartinoT> 32
[17:04] <oldude67> Sarvatt, in the quotes or after them?
[17:04] <Sarvatt> inside the quotes
[17:04] <Sarvatt> should say like "quiet splash" or whatever so make it "quiet splash i915.modeset=0"
[17:05] <oldude67> Sarvatt, ok then upgrade grub2 again
[17:05] <ripps> yay! gdm autologin works again. Now I just need to figure out why my wacom won't start at boot
[17:05] <Sarvatt> woohoo does it ripps?!
[17:06] <yofel> MartinoT: not sure then, can you give us a screenshot?
[17:07] <oldude67> Sarvatt, now its telling me sudo upgrade-grub2 command not found...ugh...just my luck
[17:07] <ripps> Still need a config app for gdm though
[17:07] <MartinoT> Unfortunately, the SO is blocked as well as sidebars blocks everything. But a screenshot of what?
[17:08] <yofel> MartinoT: I don't really understand what you mean with 'blocks everything'
[17:08] <oldude67> ugh its update not upgrade oldude dumb s___ ...lol got it..lmao
[17:09] <oldude67> ok bbia sec...rebooting to see if it worked.lol
[17:10] <MartinoT> It's only unlocked the desk (I can create folders, open programs (which then do not open), etc ... everything else is blocked
[17:12] <yofel> MartinoT: no idea then, sry
[17:13] <ripps> Hmmm.... things seem to be bit faster today. But my gnome-panel keeps crashing and restarting
[17:14] <MartinoT> I did reboot after the update and I was born this problem
[17:16] <oldude67> well video change didnt help the -3 kernel so thats a no biggie right now...
[17:16] <jithine> hi guys. any using firefox 3.5.1 and facing freezes
[17:16] <jithine> right after 3.5 was upgraded to 3.5.1 I am having a lot of freezes with firefox
[17:17] <oldude67> and k3b and brasero still dont see the cd or dvd burners either ...ugh oh well time to build a new system and just use this one for test till i get it figured out.
[17:22] <BluesKaj> oldude67, very strange about your cdrom tho ..puzzling
[17:33] <BluesKaj> jithine, I encuntered the same probs with FF3 series , it's become slow and bloated on linux , even without many plugins abd extensions
[17:33] <BluesKaj> abd=and
[17:33] <jithine> but i had no probs with 3.5.0 problems started after the upgrade to 3.5.1
[17:34] <jithine> guess they rushed the update with out proper testing
[17:35] <BluesKaj> well, I'm not using FF anymore and I used to be a big fan
[17:36] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi all
[17:36] <Le-Chuck_ITA> gnome-volume-control-applet risked to burn my laptop yesterday
[17:36] <Le-Chuck_ITA> is yours taking 30% of cup?
[17:36] <Le-Chuck_ITA> cpu?
[17:39] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I see zero activity so I can assume everyone's laptop has burned! :)
[17:39] <Tekno> yep
[17:40] <MartinoT> yofel: The problem you said for package libgtk2.0-0 version 2.17.5-ubuntu1 what it is? has been updated to x64, and x32?
[17:43] <yofel> MartinoT: was bug 401938
[17:43] <MartinoT> amd64 :S
[17:45] <Le-Chuck_ITA> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-media/+bug/400820
[17:45] <MartinoT> my i686 :S
[17:46] <Le-Chuck_ITA> priority low is just completely crazy
[17:46] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I risked to break my laptop for that
[17:46] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and certainly it deadlocked.
[17:46] <Le-Chuck_ITA> What's the right channel to talk about a bug in the desktop?
[17:47] <yofel> Le-Chuck_ITA: try #ubuntu-desktop
[17:48] <Le-Chuck_ITA> let me see if I convince anyone to break the low-priority barrier :)
[17:54] <ripps> Argh! They stil haven't fixed the nautilus video disk thrashing
[17:57] <aboSamoor> I am booting from usb stick, can I install grub2 on the system ?
[19:27] <ppawel> what is the recommended way to always have up to date ubuntu? is "aptitude dist-upgrade" enough?
[19:27] <ppawel> or do I have to use update-manager?
[19:27] <ppawel> of course my definition of up to date includes development versions  like karmic koala
[19:28] <Pici> If you're already running Karmic then dist-upgrade is fine.
[19:28] <ppawel> I guess my question is this:
[19:28] <ppawel> does update-manager do some magic that aptitude can't do when upgrading from version to version?
[19:29] <ppawel> I mean ubuntu version to ubuntu+1
[19:29] <ubuntudad> is the grub update going to be included in installs that are not done from scratch?
[19:29] <Pici> ubuntudad: nope.
[19:29] <ubuntudad> Pici: are there improvements that i am going to be missing out on?
[19:30] <Pici> ubuntudad: I don't know of any.  But don't quote me on that.
[19:30] <ubuntudad> Pici: thanks, i had read a little about it but it did not seems like something that would be done in a normal upgrade
[19:31] <Pici> ubuntudad: Right. There is a script that you can run if you want to upgrade to grub2, but its beyond the scope of the normal upgrade procedure.
[19:43] <pace_t_zulu> lost my mouse in karmic... native install on a macbook
[20:26] <DanaG> yargh: www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/gparted_details.htm
[20:27] <DanaG> can't resize a fat16 partition on a CF card.
[21:02] <Le-Chuck_ITA> this whole pulseaudio thing has so many bugs that I can't report them all
[21:09] <ripps> Any idea if and when evolution indicator is going to be fixed
[21:11] <DanaG> ugh, stupid gnome disk-usage thingy.
[21:11] <DanaG> It builds up multiple of the same message  at the same time.
[21:14] <alteregoa> high
[21:14] <alteregoa> the module acer-acpi disappeared in 31-3
[21:27] <alteregoa> ok works had to compile acerhk again, whatever
[21:32] <Sarvatt> its called acer-wmi altergoa
[21:33] <Sarvatt> has been for over a year, acer-acpi was an outside module that was deprecated when acer-wmi made it into the kernel
[21:34] <Sarvatt> acerhk is an even older version of it before acer-acpi
[21:34] <dupondje> any id's when fast-user-switch-applet comes back ? :(
[21:43] <ripps> dupondje: when some figures out how to make it work with the new gdm
[21:44] <ripps> The new notify-osd is nice and renders very well, but the font and images it displays are a bit on the small side
[21:44]  * gnomefreak not here but FUSA is now part of GDM
[21:46] <SKB1> any well known sound system issues in karmic?
[21:46] <bmunger> What is the procedure for turning on KMS for radeon cards using open source driver?
[21:46] <gnomefreak> SKB1: i have them but i didnt get around to asking about them. mute at boot   unmute still no sound
[21:47] <gnomefreak> ok gone for now tbird is about to put alot of load on here
[21:47] <SKB1> oss is always busy or something here :|
[21:52] <dupondje> SKB1: some issues yes
[21:52] <dupondje> sometimes no sound @ boot etc
[21:53] <dupondje> but there are many volume mixers now
[21:53] <dupondje> for each app etc
[21:55] <DanaG> Where do you set which slider the volume keys control?
[21:55] <DanaG> The old place to do that... is gone.
[21:58] <aboSamoor> I am running a daily build of karmic I don't have sound
[21:59] <aboSamoor> can you help me to see if it is hardware or that I don't have codecs for media files ?
[21:59] <DanaG> Handy tool: speaker-test
[22:00] <aboSamoor> DanaG: weird, i tested the CD and the sound was working !
[22:00] <aboSamoor> DanaG: it seems a hardware problem
[22:01] <DanaG> Also check if it's a pulseaudio issue.
[22:01] <DanaG> do 'pactl list' -- but don't output here, it'll be long.
[22:01] <DanaG> Hopefully you should at least see your sound card.
[22:04] <aboSamoor> DanaG: i killed pulseaudio and it works
[22:05] <DanaG> Well, that's not really a solution, though.
[22:05] <DanaG> PA autospawns by default.
[22:05] <DanaG> Better to fix PulseAudio.
[22:05] <aboSamoor> I have two volume controls ! which means there is conflicting somewhere
[22:05] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/398959
[22:05] <DanaG> awesome.
[22:06] <DanaG> I especially love how the error page... IS THAT BUG report!
[22:07] <DanaG> oh wait, rather, somebody just linked to the wrong bug.
[22:08] <DanaG> Anyone know what would make libparted error out like this?
[22:08] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/gparted_details.htm
[22:25] <J-_> Are there ISOs out yet?
[22:25] <EagleScreen> needed hep with kernel-package
[22:26] <J-_> Yep there is
[22:27] <Mohero> Hi all
[22:27] <Mohero> is there a known issue with the nvidia driver?
[22:27] <aboSamoor> the autocomplete functionality that is called by tab in the terminal is not working in folders other than the home, any idea ? specific names so i can search for related bug ?
[22:27] <EagleScreen> kernel-package stop package building by a permissions trouble (error 2)
[22:28] <EagleScreen> see tha putput: http://pastebin.ca/1502463
[22:32] <BUGabundo_> hey guys
[22:32] <BUGabundo_> my system is totaly broken
[22:32] <BUGabundo_> cant login, GDM will jam
[22:33] <BUGabundo_> startx just gives a many bouncy windows
[22:33] <BUGabundo_> now running from liveusb
[22:33] <BUGabundo_> chroot into my system and update it
[22:33] <BUGabundo_> but not sure its fixed
[22:33] <BUGabundo_> afraid to reboot
[22:33] <Mohero> BUGabundo_: can you pastbin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:33] <BUGabundo_> from this # logs i'm not seeing anyone else complainging
[22:33] <BUGabundo_> hye Mohero. u new here?
[22:33] <BUGabundo_> sure i can
[22:34] <BUGabundo_> let me chroot again and pastebinit
[22:34] <Mohero> BUGabundo_: i'm in & out
[22:34] <Mohero> i'm normally only in here when I run the +1 :)
[22:34] <BUGabundo_> root@ubuntu:/# pastebinit /etc/X11/xorg.conf  http://pastebin.com/fbf09724
[22:34] <Mohero> thought as much...
[22:35] <BUGabundo_> i'm one of the more usual kinda guys here
[22:35] <Mohero> I hit the same thing on my laptop today
[22:35] <BUGabundo_> the one to file yesterday breakage on gtk :(
[22:35] <Mohero> the nvidia driver seems broken...
[22:35] <BUGabundo_> not sure if thats the cause of this
[22:35] <Mohero> I'm working out why, but it won't be tonight that I get an answer
[22:35] <BUGabundo_> i did dpkg-reconfigure X
[22:35] <BUGabundo_> without sucess
[22:35] <BUGabundo_> hey  DanaG
[22:36] <Mohero> I removed my xorg.conf and it game up in nv
[22:36] <BUGabundo_> where is the rest of the gang??
[22:36] <yofel> listening ;)
[22:36] <BUGabundo_> yofel kklimonda Sarvatt
[22:36] <BUGabundo_> ahh there u are :)
[22:36] <BUGabundo_> Twigathy cwillu_clone
[22:36] <BUGabundo_> humm cwillu away on travel again !? lol
[22:37] <Mohero> BUGabundo_: give removing your xorg.conf a go
[22:37] <BUGabundo_> darn freenode java
[22:37] <BUGabundo_> cant see the user list :(
[22:37]  * cwillu_clone pokes BUGabundo_
[22:37] <BUGabundo_> Mohero will do
[22:37] <cwillu_clone> just at work
[22:37] <BUGabundo_> ohhhhh cwillu_clone IS HERE
[22:37] <cwillu_clone> tomorrow I'm away on travel :p
[22:37] <Mohero> remember, you can CTRL+ALT+F[1-6] to get a shell then restart gdm from there
[22:37]  * BUGabundo_ grins at cwillu_clone poke stik
[22:37] <cwillu_clone> BUGabundo_, I've kept coming home to my xchat with 6 blue tabs, but the relevant messages went off the top of the scrollback hours before :p
[22:37] <BUGabundo_> Mohero ah?? gdm ?
[22:38] <Sarvatt> whats /var/log/Xorg.0.log or dmesg say BUGabundo?
[22:38] <BUGabundo_> ill start on recovery mode
[22:38] <BUGabundo_> and kill it there
[22:38] <BUGabundo_> Sarvatt let me pastebit it
[22:38] <BUGabundo_> root@ubuntu:/# pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.com/f5f2fb87b
[22:38] <BUGabundo_> Sarvatt ^^^^^^
[22:39] <Mohero> BUGabundo_: loging on TTY2 CTRL+ALT+F2 if X doesn't start, then remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf (or copy it elsewhere) then run "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart"
[22:39] <BUGabundo_> Mohero yeah i know
[22:39] <Mohero> is what I did to get X up.
[22:40] <BUGabundo_> done
[22:40] <BUGabundo_> need to reboot into my system now
[22:40] <BUGabundo_> just need to be *realy* sure
[22:40] <BUGabundo_> since liveusb requires me to download and install java to come back here
[22:40] <BUGabundo_> ehehh
[22:40]  * BUGabundo_ do'h could have used empathy
[22:41] <BUGabundo_> so no more breakge?
[22:41] <BUGabundo_> is it safe?
[22:41] <BUGabundo_> Sarvatt anyting there?
[22:41] <Mohero> BUGabundo_: why do you need to install java to get here?
[22:41] <Mohero> it has pidgin
[22:41] <Mohero> or you could use irssi :p
[22:41] <Twigathy> BUGabundo_: I expect that'll break my dual screen setup... has magic nvidia hax inside... will try when back in linux =)
[22:42] <BUGabundo_> oh and i'm getting a trace on shutdown and on gdm stop
[22:42] <BUGabundo_> i'll need to file that once i get my system up
[22:44] <BUGabundo_> Sarvatt syslog.1 has more info on GDM breakge
[22:44] <BUGabundo_> pastebining now
[22:44] <BUGabundo_> Sarvatt http://pastebin.com/f67eecb58
[22:46] <BUGabundo_> from the looks of it its a race condition
[22:46] <BUGabundo_> yofel do u see that on your logs too?
[22:47] <yofel> BUGabundo_: did gdm break with the newest update?
[22:47] <yofel> I've still got one pending here
[22:48] <BUGabundo_> root@ubuntu:/# pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old  http://pastebin.com/f7809601d
[22:48] <BUGabundo_> yofel define : break
[22:48] <BUGabundo_> if u mean i cant login then Yes
[22:48] <yofel> BUGabundo_: I haven't rebooted since yesterday, I'll try it in a moment
[22:49] <BUGabundo_> eheh
[22:49] <BUGabundo_> better not
[22:49] <BUGabundo_> let me reboot 1st
[22:49] <BUGabundo_> if i dont come back, then its bad
[22:49] <akio> I was wondering if someone could post a good vncviewer alias for vnc over internet connections
[22:50] <BUGabundo_> akio are u running karmic?
[22:50] <akio> on the machine I am connecting to, yes
[22:50] <BUGabundo_> ok then
[22:50] <BUGabundo_> eheh
[22:50] <akio> actually karmic UNR
[22:50] <BUGabundo_> oohhh
[22:50] <BUGabundo_> great
[22:51] <BUGabundo_> we need ppl testing that
[22:51] <BUGabundo_> Sarvatt anything?
[22:51] <akio> it runs awesome
[22:51] <BUGabundo_> i'll reboot now, then
[22:51] <akio> just the power management is a little buggy
[22:51] <BUGabundo_> guys cross your fingers
[22:51] <BUGabundo_> i'm diving in NOW
[22:51] <BUGabundo_> brb (i hope)
[22:51] <akio> it must be bad for him to worry baout something
[22:52] <akio> it that the real BUGabundo?
[22:53] <Bmw1000c> yes
[22:53] <yofel> akio: his X segfaults
[22:57] <yofel> BUGabundo: wb
[22:57] <BUGabundo> PING
[22:57] <BUGabundo> I'm ALIVE
[22:57] <BUGabundo> now I need to reinstall my nvdia
[22:57] <BUGabundo> darn
[22:57] <BUGabundo> no composite :((
[22:57] <BUGabundo> no gnome do glacy
[22:58] <BUGabundo> so guys with NVidia
[22:58] <BUGabundo> be ready for trouble on reboot
[22:59] <BUGabundo> btw. guud evening everyone
[22:59] <BUGabundo> :p
[23:02] <BUGabundo> yofel: mind rebootning now?
[23:03] <BUGabundo> to see if it is general nvidia bug?
[23:03] <Sarvatt> ya still dont even know what the problem was though, ya screwed up the nvidia install messing with xorg.conf probably :D
[23:03] <Sarvatt> i just rebooted mine fine after you said you had problems, x64 karmic with a 8400M GS and 185.18.14
[23:04] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: I never touch xorg.conf
[23:04] <BUGabundo> and this is a 4 day clean system
[23:05] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: I did got hit by yesteday broken gtk
[23:05] <BUGabundo> maybe that mess something on nvidia
[23:05] <Sarvatt> you just said you did a dpkg-reconfigure
[23:06] <yofel> well, brb (I hope)
[23:06] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt:  I did
[23:06] <BUGabundo> and it did not print anything
[23:06] <BUGabundo> didn't even make a backup
[23:06] <BUGabundo> I miss the old option on the recovery console menu
[23:06] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt:  is it coming back?
[23:06] <alteregoa> it smells like it works
[23:07] <alteregoa> the system starts much faster compared to hardon herold
[23:07] <BUGabundo> alteregoa: karmic is FAST
[23:07] <BUGabundo> I boot in 19 secs
[23:08] <BUGabundo> alteregoa: and Bmw1000c brags ha can do 10 sec
[23:08] <alteregoa> maybe some stuff has being recompiled against gcc 4.4 or something
[23:08] <aboSamoor> grub is 1.96 and not 2 !
[23:09] <alteregoa> lagrofox works faster
[23:09] <alteregoa> gorg, yeah and fraggles is still version 1
[23:09] <Bmw1000c> woot
[23:09] <Bmw1000c> yes i do, 10 secs boot, at least with the fresh install
[23:09] <alteregoa> this gui grub need more resources to restart
[23:10] <Bmw1000c> now i have a couple more services starting with the system, i think my boot time as increased a bit
[23:10] <Bmw1000c> let me check
[23:10] <yofel> BUGabundo: nvidia works fine here
[23:10] <BUGabundo> :(((
[23:10] <BUGabundo> random bug then
[23:10] <alteregoa> and grub 3 is 3D with random 3D screens for your OS
[23:10] <BUGabundo> will re-enable nvidia and check on next boot, aka tomorrwo
[23:11] <alteregoa> im still amazed how fast osx starts
[23:12] <Bmw1000c> ATM i'm with 15 secs boot :(
[23:13] <yofel> the only funny thing here is gnome-do: login -> gnome-do uses 190% cpu -> kill it -> start it -> it crashes -> start it again -> works
[23:13] <akio> what kind of hard drives though?
[23:13] <Bmw1000c> 250gb HDD single plate
[23:13] <akio> sata level?
[23:13] <yofel> Bmw1000c: rmp?
[23:13] <yofel> *rpm
[23:13] <Bmw1000c> 7200
[23:13] <Bmw1000c> or wtv
[23:14] <Bmw1000c> akio sata 2 i guess
[23:14] <akio> but the target system was a spinning disk I believe
[23:15] <akio> if I could get resume working it wouldn't matter
[23:15] <Bmw1000c> eheh
[23:15] <BUGabundo> Bmw1000c: LOLOOL mine now does 15
[23:15] <BUGabundo> ahahaaahah
[23:15] <Bmw1000c> woot :(
[23:15] <BUGabundo> I'm catching you
[23:16] <Bmw1000c> no wai man lol
[23:16] <Bmw1000c> i need a fresh install asap
[23:17] <BUGabundo> again?
[23:17] <Bmw1000c> yeah you can't win me
[23:17] <akio> UNR is fast as nuts
[23:17] <akio> I haven't clocked it though
[23:18] <BUGabundo> akio: install boot chart
[23:18] <BUGabundo> akio: sudo apt-get install bootchart-java OR pybootchart
[23:18] <BUGabundo> as you like your venon
[23:18] <BUGabundo> then look and upload /var/log/bootchart/
[23:18] <akio> upload to where?
[23:19] <Bmw1000c> !paste
[23:19] <akio> I'm am about to re-install, would be a good benchmark
[23:19] <Bmw1000c> http://tinyurl.com/imagebin
[23:22] <akio> http://imagebin.org/56702
[23:22] <alteregoa> hi
[23:22] <alteregoa> where can i locate sudoers file?
[23:23] <akio> I loaded it down, so that is pretty slow, but it reflects normal usage.
[23:23] <yofel> alteregoa: /etc/sudoers - see man sudoers
[23:23] <akio> Bmw1000c, get that paste?
[23:23] <Bmw1000c> yes i did
[23:23] <alteregoa>  is not in the sudoers file
[23:24] <Bmw1000c> what netbook do you have akio
[23:24] <akio> good or bad?
[23:24] <akio> MSI Wind U100
[23:24] <Bmw1000c> i need to test it on my eee 1000h
[23:24] <BUGabundo> Bmw1000c: I'm uploading my latest boot
[23:24] <BUGabundo> ahaah watch and cry
[23:24] <Bmw1000c> :( aw
[23:24] <yofel> alteregoa: what/who is not in the sudoers file? when do you get that message?
[23:25] <alteregoa> on console
[23:25] <alteregoa> i tried to sudo su in console
[23:25] <Bmw1000c> here's mine https://files.getdropbox.com/u/1416038/bmw-desktop-karmic-20090721-3.png
[23:25] <Pici> Don't use sudo su.
[23:25] <Pici> use sudo -i
[23:26] <akio> holy crap
[23:26] <alteregoa> the same
[23:26] <yofel> alteregoa: type 'groups' and check if admin is there
[23:26] <alteregoa> i think i have to start from the cd
[23:26] <alteregoa> i see only my own
[23:26] <Twigathy> Bmw1000c: crikey, that's quick!
[23:26] <akio> Bmw1000c, are you optimizing after install?
[23:26] <yofel> ok... bad
[23:26] <alteregoa> admin is not there
[23:27] <Twigathy> Mine is 20 seconds: http://twigathy.com/corona-karmic-20090719-1.png [zero disk activity win :D]
[23:27] <Bmw1000c> Twigathy with fresh install i had 10 secs
[23:27] <Bmw1000c> akio a bit
[23:27] <Bmw1000c> woo disk 18mb/s??
[23:27] <Twigathy> lol
[23:27] <Twigathy> CompactFlash card
[23:27] <akio> That's it, I'm declaring war - with a fresh install of UNR!
[23:27] <Bmw1000c> wait akio
[23:27] <yofel> alteregoa: what does your /etc/group file look like?
[23:27] <Bmw1000c> before that
[23:28] <yofel> !paste | alteregoa
[23:28] <Bmw1000c> akio http://www.techfuels.com/linux-free-bsd/5559-grub-profile.html
[23:28] <Bmw1000c> To profile Grub, click on the 'Esc' key while booting. Then, click 'e' over the first entry. Next, click 'e' again over the second line to edit it. At the end of this line, include the word 'profile' after a space and hit the 'Enter' key.
[23:28] <Bmw1000c> Hit 'b' to continue with the boot process. It will take significantly longer to complete the boot process the first time. Profiling will have to be done every time the kernel is updated.
[23:28] <Twigathy> oh man, what on earth changed the firefox search such that it's now a "google custom search" and none of the stuff like images/videos are on the top >_<
[23:28] <akio> Bmw1000c, wow, thanks.
[23:28] <BUGabundo> Bmw1000c:  not using my hacked version of bootchart? :(((
[23:29] <akio> Didn't know about that one.
[23:29] <Bmw1000c> Twigathy go to addons and uninstall the multi search addon (or something like that)
[23:29] <Bmw1000c> akio yeah BUGabundo told me that :P
[23:29] <Twigathy> ahha
[23:29] <Twigathy> cool :)
[23:29] <BUGabundo> Bmw1000c: that's OLD
[23:29] <Bmw1000c> BUGabundo nah
[23:29] <BUGabundo> now we have grub2
[23:29] <BUGabundo> its not the same steps
[23:29] <alteregoa> http://paste.ubuntu.com/223923/
[23:29] <Bmw1000c> oh well it's almost the same
[23:29] <BUGabundo> nope
[23:30] <BUGabundo> no 'e', no 'b'
[23:30] <akio> I can figure it out. I have grubPC
[23:30] <akio> or 1.96
[23:30] <akio> the new one
[23:30] <Bmw1000c> BUGabundo but you DID NOT told me this "Profiling will have to be done every time the kernel is updated."
[23:30] <BUGabundo> grubpc is grub2
[23:30] <BUGabundo> Bmw1000c: it used to be true
[23:30] <BUGabundo> so much has changed :)
[23:31] <Bmw1000c> so i dont need to profile it again?
[23:31] <alteregoa> hmm i removed almost anything on user rights hmm
[23:31] <Bmw1000c> naah you are fooling me, so you can be faster than me, isn't it??
[23:32] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: EXIM???
[23:32] <yofel> alteregoa: check what partition your / is on with 'df', then boot into a live-disk and ping me again please
[23:32]  * BUGabundo slaps Twigathy around with an wet towel
[23:32] <Bmw1000c> Twigathy https://files.getdropbox.com/u/1416038/bmw-desktop-karmic-20090625-4.png
[23:32] <Bmw1000c> 10 secs boot
[23:32] <BUGabundo> Bmw1000c: boot profiling is heavy
[23:33] <BUGabundo> should only be done WHEN required
[23:33] <Bmw1000c> akio check the link also.. i had a 20mb/s disk improvement with "profile"
[23:33] <Twigathy> BUGabundo: oh, yes... that got pulled in when mdadm installed >:(
[23:33] <BUGabundo> wront
[23:33] <BUGabundo> *wrong
[23:33]  * Twigathy goes to get rid of it - don't actually run raid here
[23:33] <BUGabundo> it should have used MTA
[23:33] <alteregoa> i replace the users file
[23:33] <BUGabundo> and on ubuntu MTA default is postfix
[23:33] <Twigathy> BUGabundo: well maybe I did something wrong then :o
[23:33] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: please file a bug on LP and uptream debian
[23:34] <yofel> alteregoa: why that?
[23:36] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: how can a compactflash with 18MiB/s boot in 20 secs?!?!?!
[23:36] <Twigathy> BUGabundo: NFS root >:)
[23:36] <Twigathy> So it only reads off stuff from /boot
[23:36] <BUGabundo> ahh
[23:36] <Twigathy> I'm pleased it is no slower than a hard disk though :)
[23:36] <Twigathy> (Boot process that is, not the CF. I know the CF sucks)
[23:37] <Twigathy> argh, I can't get rid of exim!
[23:37] <Twigathy> It is HIDING somewhere...
[23:42] <alteregoa> how can i add myself to sudoers file?
[23:42] <yofel> alteregoa: on the live-cd now?
[23:42] <alteregoa> yeah its starting....
[23:43] <yofel> you need to add yourself to the admin group
[23:43] <alteregoa> thats a weird thing, i used the users manager and removed any right
[23:44] <DanaG> I found that, last time I did a profiling, it made it SLOWER.
[23:44] <DanaG> It precached too much!
[23:44] <Bmw1000c> watching youtube HD with flash is very slow, does this happen to you too?
[23:44] <yofel> well,  you also removed yourself from the admin group and lost sudo rights with that I guess
[23:44] <BUGabundo> DanaG: which is strange
[23:44] <BUGabundo> I would say file a bug, but then Colin will close it and say that a user should do profiling
[23:45] <BUGabundo> like he did on a bug where my readhaed took like 2 min
[23:51] <alteregoa> ok im logged in
[23:52] <cwillu_clone> BUGabundo, are you trying to refute theories with facts again?
[23:52] <alteregoa> the sudoers file, i hope i find that
[23:52] <BUGabundo> cwillu?
[23:52] <yofel> alteregoa: you don't need the sudoers file, you need to re-ad yourself to the admin group
[23:52] <cwillu_clone> alteregoa, if you're just not in the admin group, then you just need to run "addgroup alteregoa admin" from the recovery prompt
[23:53] <cwillu_clone> if you have to edit the sudoers file and you don't know exactly why, then you probably don't have to edit the sudoers file and editing it will just make your life truly miserable
[23:53] <cwillu_clone> BUGabundo, re: profiling :p
[23:53] <alteregoa> yofel: and how?
[23:53] <cwillu_clone> alteregoa, I just told you
[23:53] <alteregoa> ah recovery prompt
[23:53] <alteregoa> hmm i started from the cd now
[23:54] <cwillu_clone> you could do it from the cd too, but it's probably easier to just reboot into the recovery prompt :p
[23:54] <yofel> alteregoa: actually do what cwillu_clone told you, it's easier. I just forgot about it...
[23:55] <cwillu_clone> from the cd, you'd have to mount /dev/sda1 /mnt (assuming your root is on sda1), then chroot /mnt, and then addgroup..., and then exit, and then umount /mnt, and then reboot, and then... :p
[23:56] <BUGabundo> cwillu  you know I'm slow! what's that again ?
[23:56] <alteregoa> ok
[23:57] <alteregoa> chroot makes /mnt to /
[23:57] <alteregoa> fascinating
[23:57] <BUGabundo> errr
[23:57] <BUGabundo> no


[00:02] <awen_> nixternal: fixed :) ... what is the best thing to do with the debdiff?
[00:06] <awen_> I've subscribed ubuntu-main-sponsors ... but if anyone has the time and sponsoring powers > bug 178356
[00:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 178356 in kipi-plugins "[hardy] batch resize generates "error"" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178356
[00:15] <awen_> g'night (if anyone is still awake)
[00:18] <CheGuevara> night
[01:35] <nosrednaekim> lol.... http://jaysonrowe.wordpress.com/2008/03/24/still-pleased-with-kde-4/
[01:37] <CheGuevara> At times it seems Ubuntu doesn’t have a KDE Team - just Jonathan Riddell (does that dude ever get to sleep?)
[01:37] <CheGuevara> :P
[01:38] <yuriy> oh, you're quoting
[01:39] <CheGuevara> yeah
[01:39] <nosrednaekim> read Riddell'scomment :)
[01:41] <CheGuevara> yeah i was just laughing at that
[01:42] <nosrednaekim> ah.. :)
[01:43] <yuriy> hmm scim seems to be making my kde4 apps take a long time to start
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> I think we should give nixternal, Hobbsee et. al some more publicity :)
[01:45] <yuriy> wow removing all scim* packages fixed that quite nicely
[01:47] <yuriy> shouldn't kde4 appear on https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs ?
[02:04] <ryanakca> lol :)
[02:09] <jjesse> what are we lol about?
[02:14] <jjesse> i love how in 5-a-day stats "ubuntu-chicago" is listed as a team but nixternal is the only one on the team that has delt with 5-a-day bugs
[02:14] <jjesse> it still is the 2nd team in stats
[02:15] <yuriy> i just sent an email to my loco to start participating, but i'm not too confident anything will come of it. chances are you'll see the same thing there
[02:16]  * yuriy nudges n8k99
[02:16] <CheGuevara> yuriy, am working on your bug about removing the zoom buttons
[02:16] <CheGuevara> do you agree that might as well remove the whole toolbox
[02:17] <CheGuevara> since it doesn't really do anything without the zoom buttons
[02:17] <yuriy> CheGuevara: i do, aseigo wouldn't be too happy
[02:17] <CheGuevara> meh
[02:17]  * n8k99 pops head ot of shell
[02:17] <yuriy> would be neat if we could get the lock widgets button on there
[02:17] <CheGuevara> he said its ok to do it downstream
[02:17] <CheGuevara> :P
[02:17] <yuriy> i think it's there in trunk
[02:19] <nixternal> mmm, pizza and beer
[02:19] <CheGuevara> hmm
[02:19] <jjesse> i need to come to chicago again to get more pizza and beer with you
[02:20] <nixternal> you didn't even have a beer last time
[02:20] <nixternal> either did I though
[02:20] <nixternal> but man, beer is wonderful with pizza
[02:20] <jjesse> i know cause work was paying for it :)
[02:20] <nixternal> bah, time to take the dog for a walk...bbiaf
[02:21]  * n8k99 pokes yuriy with, with, with something cleaver and witty
[02:22]  * yuriy hopes something cleaver and witty == `add-5-a-day`
[02:23] <jjesse> ok 5-a-day is done, time for bed :)
[02:24] <CheGuevara> nn
[02:51] <nixternal> hrmm, how do you get the 'e' key working again in KDE 4?
[03:00] <nixternal> Riddell: for printer-applet, you need to add the includes for KDE4/MacroLibrary in the CMakeLists.txt
[03:47] <nixternal> 22:10:34 [ DrCh4r135] kubuntu has pretty much replaced windows for me, save for the odd game craving.
[03:47] <nixternal> w00t, I finally got the Dr. to get off of Windows!
[10:39] <Riddell> nixternal: KDE4/MacroLibrary ?
[10:50] <Artemis_Fowl> Riddell: I almost managed to create a System Settings module counterpart for KGRUBEditor
[10:50] <Artemis_Fowl> Riddell: with minor alterations to the initial code
[10:51] <Riddell> oh, nice
[11:31] <rbrunhuber-au> hobbsee: are you here?
[11:38] <Riddell> awen-: why use python-gobject?
[11:40] <awen-> Riddell: receiving dbus signals only work with DBusGMainLoop eg. gobject... the DBusQtMainLoop is broken in some mysterious way
[11:41] <Riddell> awen-: it works with qt 4
[11:41] <Riddell> not qt 3 though
[11:42] <awen-> Riddell: exactly... but is it better to use qt4 then?
[11:42] <Riddell> awen-: margionally, we already have it on the CDs
[11:45] <awen-> Riddell: okay, didn't know it was already there... i can look into changing it later today; unless you will change those three lines yourself :)
[11:46] <Riddell> awen-: ImportError: No module named pcop
[11:51]  * awen- is a bit confused... we use dcop functions in powermanager already, but python-dcop isn't a dependency?
[11:52] <Riddell> awen-: is pcop a typo?
[11:53] <Riddell> awen-: I think there are two python dcop implementations and you might be using the wrong one
[11:53] <Riddell> sebas: true? ^^
[11:55] <awen-> Riddell: there are at least two
[11:56] <awen-> Riddell: looks like I've been looking at two of the "wrong" dcop implementations
[12:04] <sebas> Riddell: Uhm, could be
[12:04] <sebas> I think one comes with PyKDE, one is sort-of standalone
[12:04] <sebas> But it's a long tiem ago I played with it, I might be wrong
[12:05] <awen-> sebas: you are right
[12:05] <sebas> Cool ;-)
[12:05] <awen-> :)
[12:05] <awen-> Riddell: I'll look in to using the build in dcop client and switch to qt-mainloop instead
[12:06] <awen-> install python-dcop if you want to test it as it is now
[12:59] <smarter_> I played a bit with https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts/trunk feel free to blame me if it doesn't work anymore ;)
[13:00] <\sh> window 14
[13:00] <\sh> grmpf
[14:01] <ryanov> Any living folks in here?
[14:02] <ryanov> Looking for a little assistance maybe with a busted KDM. Worked a little while after upgrading, but not anymore.
[14:03] <Jucato> ryanov: user support channel is #kubuntu (for Hardy #ubuntu+1 and for KDE 4 #kubuntu-kde4)
[14:05] <ryanov> For Hardy with KDE? Or would it be kubuntu+1?
[14:05] <jussi01> ryanov: no, #ubuntu+1 supports all of hardy
[14:05] <Jucato> ryanov: hardy with KDE 3 #ubuntu+1
[14:05] <ryanov> OK. Sounds good. Thanks for the help!
[14:05] <ryanov> Yeah, that's what I'm using. Thankws.
[15:16] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm looking at awen's kde-guidance package now.
[15:18] <Riddell> ScottK: see his and mine discussion from earlier today, it should use python-qt4-dbus not glib and should use the correct python dcop
[15:18] <Riddell> but testing (and fixes) welcome
[15:20] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  I'll go ahead and focus on my displayconfig stuff and add his on top of that if he updates it.
[15:21] <seele> Riddell: do you know if nosrednaekim has a ppa of the current printing stuff?
[15:25] <Riddell> seele: no, it's in bzr.  bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/system-config-printer/kde-port
[15:28] <nixternal> Riddell: I can upload the CMakeLists.txt I edited for printer-applet...but there is also a problem with the create_exe_symlink.cmake file
[15:29] <\sh> hmm..no konversation for kde4?
[15:29]  * Riddell checks to see if he turned over two pages at once
[15:29] <nixternal> what I added to the CMakeLists.txt was 'find_package(KDE4 REQUIRED)' \n 'include(KDE4Defaults)' to get the app to build out
[15:30] <nixternal> \sh: no yet there isn't
[15:30] <nixternal> 4.1 I think
[15:30] <Riddell> nixternal: to build out?
[15:30] <\sh> nixternal: damn ;)
[15:30] <nixternal> Riddell: w/o those 2 lines, CMake doesn't know what 'macro_optional_find_package()' is
[15:30] <\sh> but funny ... desktop effects on intel graphics card are much better then on ati with oss drivers
[15:31] <nixternal> \sh: tell me about it...KDE 4 on my lappy rocks, on my desktop with a radeon, using either fglrx or the oss drivers, and building from trunk, my system constanstly freezes
[15:31] <\sh> nixternal: yeah
[15:31] <nixternal> on a 64bit box..but I also believe that happens with distro packages as well
[15:32] <\sh> nixternal: I have only troubles on amd64 + ati radeon x300
[15:32] <\sh> (never tried the fglrx stuff)
[15:32] <nixternal> radeon 9700 which uses the r300 driver here
[15:32] <Riddell> nixternal: 'find_package(KDE4 REQUIRED)' is in kdereview/CMakeLists.txt
[15:33] <nixternal> umm, when was it added?
[15:33] <\sh> hmmm
[15:33] <nixternal> oh, never mind
[15:33] <\sh> why can't I set more then 2 virtual desktops?
[15:33] <nixternal> Riddell: I was building printer-applet out by itself
[15:33] <\sh> oh damn..that's user unfriendly
[15:33] <Riddell> nixternal: what's wrong with create_exe_symlink.cmake ?
[15:33] <nixternal> I forgot that is the way it was setup for kdereview
[15:34] <\sh> pager rows and desktops can be misunderstood :(
[15:34] <nixternal> I have no idea, it just crashes out of the build process when running it
[15:34] <Riddell> nixternal: maybe add those with if (NOT KDE4_FOUND) a la step/CMakeLists.txt
[15:34] <nixternal> let me try building from kdereview/
[15:39] <nixternal> Riddell: take back everything I said
[15:39] <nixternal> builds fine from kdereview/
[15:39] <Riddell> nixternal: if you're in a mood for cmake though, feel free to add a tests for python-cups (required) and hal-cups-utils (recommended)
[15:40] <nixternal> k, I am working on the docs for printer-applet
[15:40] <Riddell> nixternal: it needs docs?
[15:40] <nixternal> annma and I are making sure everything that comes out of kdereview has docs
[15:40] <nixternal> it should have docs, yes
[15:41] <Riddell> 13:40 < annma> and you are right that no doc is needed
[15:41] <nixternal> hrmm
[15:41] <Riddell> I don't know what docs would say
[15:41] <nixternal> groovy, that knocks down one task then :)
[15:42] <nixternal> docs removed
[15:44] <\sh> hmm.icons are missing in the main menu...K->Applications -> no menu icons...known?
[15:49] <\sh> and kopete is crashing with jabber ;)
[15:49] <Riddell> \sh: 3 or 4?
[15:49] <\sh> 4
[15:49] <\sh> I only have kde4 on this desktop
[15:50] <\sh> Riddell: tried to connect against my jabber server
[15:51] <\sh> do we have debug packages for kopete?
[15:51] <Riddell> unlikely
[15:53] <Nightrose> \sh: same happens for me when it is open / does not crash when it is minimized to the tray
[15:53] <Nightrose> when I connect
[15:53] <Nightrose> opening it after that is fine
[15:56] <Riddell> allee: you had something to be uploaded to main, did that happen?
[15:56] <\sh> Nightrose: well, it's not even minimized
[16:01] <nixternal> ooh, 4.4-beta package...you rock Riddell :)
[16:01] <nixternal> no more compiling by hand
[16:07]  * jussi01 sighs at yao_zizuan in #kubuntu :(
[16:19] <nixternal> I love when people want to protest something in Kubuntu, however have not one ioda to back it up, nothing to suggest as an improvement
[16:19] <nixternal> wasting breath and keystrokes, there for consuming more power than is needed :p
[16:21] <awen-> sebas: around?
[16:27] <ScottK> awen-: I'm working on Guidance today.   Will you have your changes updated soon or should I just go ahead when I'm ready?
[16:28] <awen-> ScottK: I'm trying to get the helper app approved; but I'm kind of stuck at the last bit... you shouldn't happen to be an expert in python + Qt?
[16:30] <ScottK> Python I'm decent at.  Qt absolutely hopeless.
[16:30] <ScottK> nixternal knows Qt and a bit of Python.  Maybe he would help?
[16:30] <awen-> ScottK: okay... your know half of the equation, that's more than me ;)
[16:31] <awen-> the gobject mainloop should be replaced with a Qt mainloop, but this just wont work for me: http://awen.dk/packages/gpmhelper/gpmhelper.py
[16:31] <awen-> nixternal: any good advice? ^^
[16:33] <Riddell> allee: import dbus.mainloop.qt ?
[16:34] <Riddell> awen- rather
[16:34] <Riddell> dbus.mainloop.qt.DBusQtMainLoop(set_as_default=True)
[16:35] <allee> Riddell: ?   is this about kblue* script?
[16:35] <ScottK> allee: It's about tab completion problems.
[16:35] <allee> lol
[16:36] <Riddell> allee: but I also asked about if you got your upload uploaded from friday
[16:37] <allee> allee: ah, right.  No.   Minutes after I asked you debian upload a new version with the 'my' fix + some other fixes.  So IMHO a merge/sync is better, but didn't find the time yet to look at it
[16:37] <awen-> Riddell: that part I've got :) ... but what should I use instead of gobject as the loop?
[16:37] <allee> ah, tab problem agian  Riddell ^^ :)
[16:38] <Riddell> awen-: app.exec_() is right
[16:38] <Riddell> allee: ok, let us know when you know
[16:39] <awen-> Riddell: and i should do a "app = QApplication(sys.argv)" right?
[16:40] <Riddell> awen-: yes
[16:40] <awen-> Riddell: that gives me this error: "RuntimeError: the qt and PyQt4.QtCore modules both wrap the QObject class"
[16:43] <awen-> Riddell: reuploaded the file
[16:44]  * awen- believes that he is doing a very common error... but just can't see it
[16:44] <Riddell> awen-: oh, it won't work because we're using qt4 (dbus) and qt3 (dcop)
[16:44] <Riddell> oh well
[16:45] <Riddell> awen-: infact does dcop work at all without a qt3 mainloop?
[16:46] <Riddell> if so I guess it just needs to use the glib one
[16:46] <awen-> Riddell: we are only sending dcop events... and that works with the glib mainloop
[16:47] <Riddell> awen-: ok, lets do that then
[16:47] <awen-> Riddell: I've changed it to use the right "dcop" implementation... so I'll just stick with the gobject?
[16:49] <Riddell> awen-: yeah, guess so
[16:50] <ScottK> awen-: Does that mean your change is ready to go?
[16:50] <awen-> ScottK: yeah... I'm just preparing the debdiff for you to merge :)
[16:51] <ScottK> awen-: Great.
[16:54] <awen-> ScottK: http://awen.dk/packages/gpmhelper/kde-guidance_0.8.0svn20080103-0ubuntu8.debdiff <-- here you go
[16:54] <ScottK> awen-: Getting ...
[16:55] <awen-> ScottK: it doesn't include a fix for the userconfig unicode problem as it didn't seem to work... I hope we get some feedback on the bug soon (and thanks for the correction to my mindslip ;) )
[16:56] <ScottK> OK.  Sounds reasonable.
[16:57] <awen-> ScottK: do we need some bug numbers to the changlog (know they are there, but haven't been looking at them)... or should we just close them afterwards?
[16:58] <ScottK> It's much better to get them in the changelog so people can go back to it later if they need to.
[17:01] <awen-> ScottK: I'll go look for them... can you hold it half an hour
[17:01] <awen-> ?
[17:01] <ScottK> awen-: Yes.  I've got more work to do yet.
[17:06] <Riddell> anyone able to recreate https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/206154 ?
[17:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206154 in kdebase "kded goes to 100% when plugging in a pen drive" [Undecided,New]
[17:08] <jussi01> Riddell: not here, goes to 1%
[17:10] <awen-> ScottK: you will also need to upload this together with kde-guidance: http://awen.dk/packages/gpmhelper/kdeutils_3.5.9-0ubuntu3.debdiff ... or you will have a lot of keypresses interpreted twice
[17:10] <ScottK> Ah.
[17:10] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^ Would you please look that one over and make sure you're OK with it.
[17:11] <Riddell> ScottK: seen it, fine with me
[17:11] <Riddell> jussi01: me neither
[17:12] <awen-> Riddell: can't reproduce it either
[17:13] <jussi01> Riddell: is that in gutsy or hardy?
[17:15] <Riddell> jussi01: hardy I think
[17:15] <jussi01> Riddell: ok, thats what ive tested on. :)
[17:15] <awen-> Riddell: it has kde*3.5.9* somewhere in the traceback?
[17:15] <awen-> so it is hardy
[17:19] <awen-> ScottK: here is a new changlog entry: http://awen.dk/packages/gpmhelper/changelog.gpmhelper
[17:20] <ScottK> awen-: Did you just add the one line.
[17:20] <awen-> ScottK: yeah
[17:41] <kishore> hi all
[17:42] <kishore> I am a KDE enthusiast and would like to build and work with trunk
[17:43] <kishore> riddel suggests that it would be a good idea to have a PPA that updates itself
[17:43] <kishore> what i want to know here is what changes does kubuntu packaging make to KDE sources and
[17:44] <kishore> are there patches available for the debian directories as is used by kubuntu packaging
[17:48] <Riddell> hi kishore
[17:48] <Riddell> you may want to talk to apachelogger, who I believe is working on something similar
[17:49] <Riddell> kishore: our packaging is available with apt-get source, the patches for kubuntu are in debian/patches/kubuntu_*
[17:50] <kishore> oh thanks.. good to hear as i am more instested developing using kde4.1 rather than 4.1 itself
[17:50] <kishore> but consider building 4.1 necessary
[17:52] <kishore> is there a way i can get only patches for the package
[17:52] <kishore> internet is slow around here
[17:54] <Riddell> kishore: you can try the packaging bzr archive, although its often out of date https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/
[17:56] <kishore> ok thanks
[18:24] <ScottK> So, I've built, installed, and tested the new kde-guidance on one machine.  On another machine at the same time, pbuilder has managed to build a chroot and gather the kdeutils build-deps....
[18:25]  * ScottK just loves these effing huge kde packages
[18:29] <jussi01> ScottK: think of it as "relaxation" time :D
[18:37] <ScottK> jussi01: Not for me.  I'm doing Kubuntu stuff to procrastinate $WORK and so it's taking away my excuse.
[18:40] <jussi01> ScottK: hehe
[18:41] <aboe> can somebody help me with kde4 oxygen theme, font color of the menubar won't change
[19:12] <allee> Riddell: to get kipi-plugins 0.1.5 final into hardy, we need to start with sync libkdcraw 0.1.4 (new version) from debian.   Can you do it with your super-archive-powers?
[19:14] <allee> ^^^ libkdcraw bumps API version
[19:16] <ScottK> awen-: I have brightness again on my old laptop.  Thanks.
[19:17] <ScottK> Riddell and awen-: kdeutils and kde-guidance uploaded.
[19:18] <awen-> ScottK: no problem... glad to hear that it works just as it should :)
[19:18] <ScottK> There was enough bugfix goodness I went ahead and uploaded kde-guidance.  I have a couple more things to do in displayconfig, but they're rather more scary, so wanted to get this done first.
[19:23] <awen-> ScottK: thanks
[19:24] <ScottK> awen-: No.  Thank you for your contributions to Kubuntu.
[19:24] <yuriy> afternoon
[19:24] <yuriy> so bugsquad is doing gdm + gnome-screensaver for hug day this thursday
[19:25] <awen-> ScottK: about the userconfig + unicode; i'm pretty stuck with my limited python knowledge, if you wan't to look at it here is the patch i tried with http://awen.dk/packages/kubuntu_20_userconfig_utf8.patch and the best documentation i could find http://docs.python.org/tut/node5.html#SECTION005130000000000000000
[19:25] <yuriy> i looked at kdm bugs -- searching for kdm in kdebase turns up 47, 23 new. doesn't seem that urgent
[19:25] <yuriy> anybody have better ideas?
[19:25] <uga> Riddell: it'd have been nice if the commit stated good reasons to remove ktip.. there's people getting annoyed at the "bwahahaha" kubuntisation
[19:26] <uga> Riddell: just noticing that, no annoyance from me
[19:26] <ScottK> awen-: Thanks.
[19:26] <awen-> ScottK: i will not have time to look at it tomorrow, but i could give it another go on thursday... still, i would appreciate a second pair of eyes at it :)
[19:27] <ScottK> awen-: Depends on how much time I have tomorrow and what displayconfig evil I can manage.
[19:28] <awen-> ScottK: of course... you're doing some solid improvements on that one
[19:32] <awen-> yuriy: what about some of the large kde "metapackages" like kdeutils or the like (last time I looked at some of them they had some large bug counts)
[19:33] <ScottK> Where is kde for kde4?  Ought to include that.
[19:33] <ScottK> kde/kdm
[19:34] <jpatrick> kdm-kde4?
[19:34] <ScottK> Dunno.
[19:34]  * ScottK is strictly kde3 still.
[19:34] <jpatrick> !info kdm-kde4 hardy
[19:34]  * jpatrick too
[19:35] <awen-> looks like ubotu is strict kde3 too
[19:36] <jpatrick> ubotu lies
[19:36] <ubotu> Mostly just statistics, but yeah.
[19:41] <Riddell> allee: yes I can sync that
[19:42]  * awen- cheers allee for packaging the final kipi-plugins for hardy
[19:42] <allee> Riddell: okay, thx.  Fabo will upload fixes for digikam real soon now.  So we can hopefully sync that too tomorrow ;)
[19:43] <Riddell> uga: hmm, seems albert keeps finding reasons to not like what I do :(
[19:43] <allee> awen-: thx, but still 3 bugfixes to backport ;)
[19:44] <uga> Riddell: is there going to be a replacement btw?
[19:44] <Riddell> uga: there's a plasmoid thingy to introduce to KDE
[19:44] <uga> iirc somebody aimed at replacing it a while ago
[19:44] <uga> ahk
[19:45] <awen-> allee: good luck with them... if you need any help, just ask (i was anyway preparing to begin packaging them myself :) )
[19:46] <allee> awen-: pkg is already in my ppa for quite some time but Gilles and Angelo point me to more and more fixes
[19:49] <awen-> allee: okay, i'll go test them out later... /me do really hope they manages hardy
[19:49] <allee> awen-: me too ;)
[19:51] <yuriy> awen-: too large even. a good subsection of a metapackage would work
[19:51] <yuriy> i.e. konqueror bugs
[19:51] <yuriy> or the aforementioned kdm but that seems a bit small
[19:53] <awen-> yuriy: is konqueror bugs already looked at? ... that sound like a good focus to me
[19:53] <yuriy> the other thing i'm thinking is kde4 bugs
[19:53] <yuriy> primarily forwarding them upstream
[19:53] <yuriy> but i don't know how relevant that is for hardy at this point
[19:54] <yuriy> anything like this is going to be annoying to get on a wiki page btw because we don't have a good tagging system
[19:56] <awen-> yuriy: just a note... if we ever have a joint ubuntu+kubuntu bug day i would suggest looking at hal bugs
[19:57] <yuriy> awen-: these are all joint. tuesdays are non-desktop specific, you could suggest to bdmurray to have a hal one
[19:58] <awen-> yuriy: i will do that
[20:14] <mathieu__> Riddell: that qt beta you blogged about today, its only for hardy?
[20:15] <Riddell> mathieu__: yes
[20:16] <mathieu__> thanks
[20:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: what do you think about che's question on bug #197865
[20:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197865 in kdebase-workspace "Zoom out button in plasma should be removed for hardy" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197865
[20:27] <seele> apachelogger: oi, there was a long painful discussion on the plasma mailing list about that
[20:28] <yuriy> seele: did they decide anything on what they think about downstreams removing it for release?
[20:28] <apachelogger> I honestly don't care
[20:28] <seele> yuriy: i dont see how they could control that and theyre free to be upset if they want
[20:28] <apachelogger> what they think about us removing it
[20:29] <seele> i think one of the final decisions (but i dont konw what got committed) was to keep the toolbox thing in the corner but disable zooming until it is fixed
[20:29] <seele> people were against disabling the toolbox alltogether
[20:29] <seele> ok
[20:29] <seele> (mt)
[20:29] <apachelogger> yeah, I am not sure whether this would be wise all that much
[20:30] <apachelogger> the toolbox thingy makes it more visible
[20:30] <apachelogger> but since we don't install the extragear plasmoids in hardy there is not much point in that either
[20:30] <Riddell> apachelogger: is there a patched amarok for upload?
[20:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: I uploaded my changes to bzr
[20:32] <Riddell> apachelogger: ok, thanks
[20:38] <seaLne> what is the correct status for a bug (that i reported a while ago) that isn't relevant anymore? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/koffice/+bug/58399
[20:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 58399 in koffice "koffice dapper to edgy upgrade problem" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[20:39] <yuriy> seaLne: invalid
[20:39] <seaLne> k, haven't triaged in a while and couldn't rember
[20:42] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I guess the gtk2-engines-qtcurve thingy is too late.. ?
[20:42] <_StefanS_> Riddell: thinking about Hobbsee's email
[20:45] <jpatrick> Riddell: I hereby dislike LUKS
[20:45]  * jpatrick stomps on crap patch
[20:49] <seaLne> jpatrick: in hardy when you plug in a encrypted disk and it prompts to decrypt, is it supposed to mount it or just leave create a /dev/mapper/ device?
[20:50] <jpatrick> seaLne: both
[20:50] <seaLne> hmm in both gutsy and now hardy it dosen't mount it for me wasn't entirely sure if it should
[20:51] <seaLne> is that a known bug? i wasn't sure what it would be a bug against
[20:52] <jpatrick> seaLne: the gusy package is outdated (I think)
[20:53] <seaLne> i wasn't to bothered about it but when i just got it in hardy...
[20:54] <seaLne> jpatrick: i take it it is mounting for you?
[20:55] <apachelogger> someone please try to reproduce bug #199630
[20:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199630 in kdebase-kde4 "Bookmark > Edit Bookmark does not launch bookmark editor" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199630
[20:55] <seaLne> jpatrick: btw 3.5.9
[20:56] <jpatrick> seaLne: yeah, ad for buz, who helped test it
[20:57] <seaLne> this is a usb hard disk with no partitions just the raw device ie /dev/sdd encrypted and with an xfs filesystem on it
[20:58] <apachelogger> stdin: please backport kdelibs for kde3 to the ppa in order to fix bug #199505
[20:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199505 in kdebase-kde4 "Duplicate KDE3 and KDE4 entries" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199505
[21:00] <seaLne> is there any know problems with kde4graphics-data from gutsy ppa and ksnapshot-kde4 in hardy conflicting on /usr/lib/kde4/share/dbus-1/interfaces/org.kde.ksnapshot.xml ? not sure if its important and strange that no one else seems to have encountered it
[21:01] <seaLne> i guess something changed when the packaging of kde4-graphics became kdegraphics-kde4 or something?
[21:01] <apachelogger> seaLne: please report a bug and assign me
[21:02] <Serega> Riddell: hey, Jon, I have a next patch, please review: http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/957204
[21:02] <apachelogger> actually I would appreciate it if someone could make a list with all name changes
[21:06] <seaLne> apachelogger: Bug #206807
[21:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206807 in kdegraphics-kde4 "upgrading gutsy+4.0.2 to hardy fails with conflictions on /usr/lib/kde4/share/dbus-1/interfaces/org.kde.ksnapshot.xml" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206807
[21:07] <apachelogger> seaLne: thanks
[21:10] <yuriy> nosrednaekim: you were working on system-config-printer right?
[21:10] <nosrednaekim> hrm.... what am I doing wrong here? is there supposed to be some argument to pyqtSignature in this instance? manually connecting the signal to the function works, but it calls it twice (as normal)
[21:10] <nosrednaekim>     @pyqtSignature("")
[21:10] <nosrednaekim>     def on_cbPrintMode_activated(self,text):
[21:11] <nosrednaekim> yuriy: I am.... still... trying :)
[21:11] <yuriy> nosrednaekim: bug 206459
[21:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206459 in system-config-printer-kde "print status doesn't update automatically" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206459
[21:13] <awen-> yuriy: i had that bug a week ago or so, but it was gone when i printed yesterday...
[21:13] <yuriy> so maybe fixed
[21:13] <yuriy> i don't have a printer so i can't test
[21:14] <awen-> yuriy: it might be... but the bug misses current package version
[21:14] <ScottK> awen-: The Debian kde-guidance maintainer is trying our updates out on Sid.  Once we get final for Hardy, I plan on pushing all this up to them.
[21:14] <nosrednaekim> awen-: yeah, i've noticed that its updating is rather arbitrary, try running view->reload next time it does that and see if that changes it
[21:15] <seaLne> jpatrick: i think i have found the problem with my encrypted volumes, it works if their is a partition table, but dosen't when their isn't
[21:15] <seaLne> just tested on a spare pendrive
[21:15] <awen-> ScottK: sounds good :) ... what about upstream, is that alive for kde-guidance?
[21:16] <ScottK> awen-: Sort of.  Riddell has svn access there and he'll handle that.
[21:16] <awen-> nosrednaekim: it seemed fixed to me... but rather have you look at the bug ;)
[21:17] <nosrednaekim> awen-: I will, its now assigned to me.
[21:17] <nosrednaekim> away
[21:18] <jpatrick> seaLne: truly odd, why it just stopped working in hardy...
[21:18] <yuriy> yes guidance should be kept updated upstream with fixes
[21:19] <ScottK> yuriy: Once we get what we're doing for Hardy nailed down, we'll get that done too.
[21:19] <seaLne> jpatrick: have you tried with encrypted raw devices rather than a partition?
[21:19] <ScottK> I have two significant patches that I have yet to add.
[21:19] <awen-> ScottK: okay; thought so... but let's push it upstream that way then... maybe a last final release of kde-guidance before kde 3.5 dies
[21:19] <jpatrick> seaLne: not here..
[21:20] <ScottK> awen-: I don't know what else is changed since the last svn snapshot we took.  I'd like to hand something to Debian I'm reasonably confident works.
[21:22] <awen-> ScottK: someone could try a grand merge of it all and see what happens :) ... but if the hardy package with the current patches shouldn't have any trouble on sid; and it probably holds more changes than the svn anyway
[21:23] <awen-> s/but if//1
[21:23] <ScottK> Yes.  My theory is update Debian and upstream with what we have, take a new snapshot as soon as Ibex opens and see where we are.
[21:24] <seaLne> jpatrick: where is the code for the encrypted decrypting/mounting stuff?
[21:24] <jpatrick> seaLne: kdebase - patch kubuntu_*_kiomedialuks.diff
[21:25] <awen-> ScottK: that sounds like a reasonable plan... or if someone has contact with upstream, convince them to release a bugfix version when everything is in the svn
[21:25] <ScottK> awen-: That'd be Riddell.
[21:26] <ryanakca> Riddell: ping, on the test site, did you prefer the story title to be underlined or no?
[21:27] <awen-> ScottK: then no problem... just after the hardy release Riddell will have lots of time for that ;)
[21:29] <yuriy> < yuriy> yes guidance should be kept updated upstream with fixes  <-- sorry i meant that ScottK and awen's fixes should be put upstream, not that i know of any fixes upstream that aren't in hardy
[21:29]  * seaLne just confirms for sanity sake that a formated raw non encrypted devices mounts properly, and it does
[21:29] <Riddell> jpatrick: what's wrong with luks now?
[21:30] <Riddell> ryanakca: probably none
[21:30] <ryanakca> Riddell: ok
[21:31] <Dekans> Riddell: are you aware of a bug with kdm in hardy ?
[21:31] <Dekans> a black screen on logout
[21:31] <Riddell> _StefanS_: it would be improper, although it shouldn't change the screenshots that she says since it changes one style for another one which looks the same
[21:32] <Riddell> Dekans: no
[21:33] <Dekans> I have this since alpha versions (nvidia-glx on amd64)
[21:33] <Riddell> Serega: this looks like it would also need the strings extracted into a .pot
[21:34] <Serega> Riddell: right. I have a .pot and russian and ukrainian translation but dunno how to package this stuff
[21:37] <seaLne> jpatrick: do you happen to have a spare pendrive or something to confirm that it is the raw device that is causing the problem?
[21:37] <Riddell> Serega: hopefully we put it in the package and launchpad will sort it out
[21:39] <Riddell> Serega: can you send me the .pot file?
[21:39] <jjesse> Riddell: can you reply to my email from debra in regards to kde version for me?
[21:39] <Serega> Riddell: sec, I'll regenerate all files... there are comments in .pot like this "#: ../test.py:47" :(
[21:40] <_StefanS_> Riddell: ok, I wont use any more time on it :)
[21:40] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I'm satisfied that the wallpaper and qtcurve made it !
[21:40] <Riddell> jjesse: the "I need to make sure that I know what.." one?
[21:41] <jjesse> Riddell: yes please
[21:43] <seaLne> how do i ask hal questions similar to libhal_device_get_property_QString(m_halContext, udi, "volume.fsusage") ?
[21:43] <jpatrick> seaLne: no, I don't, and I have to go to sleep :(
[21:43] <seaLne> is there a scripty or comandline like way?
[21:43] <Riddell> seaLne: lshal | grep volume.fsusage
[21:44] <seaLne> jpatrick: i can send you one if you want?
[21:44] <seaLne> Riddell: ta
[21:44] <jpatrick> seaLne: you give out free pendrives? :/
[21:44] <Serega> Riddell: here is the .pot: http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/957293
[21:45] <seaLne> jpatrick: not in general but i have a spare if you want it and it would be helpfull?
[21:46]  * Serega waves to jpatrick
[21:46]  * jpatrick waves to Serega :)
[21:47] <_StefanS_> seaLne: hal-get-property
[21:47] <_StefanS_> seaLne: sorry, didnt see it was already answered
[21:47]  * seaLne wonders how to get the udi?
[21:48] <_StefanS_> seaLne: hal-device
[21:48] <_StefanS_> seaLne: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/general/hal.html
[21:48] <Riddell> seaLne: kde-hal-device-manager may help
[21:49] <Serega> does lanchpad look into packages in search of .pots?
[21:49] <seaLne> unfortunatly i don't have it installed and can't currently install due to breakage but i shall try to remember all this fun hal stuff
[21:49] <Serega> I can't google any info about this
[21:52] <seaLne> jpatrick: if you trust me with your postal address i'll pop a pendrive in the post to you tommorow
[22:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am going to move all khtml/kcm related libs/desktop files into konqueror-kde4 to remove the deps on -data and -bin
[22:02] <Riddell> apachelogger: why?
[22:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: a) because it was that way in KDE 3 as well and b) because it's likely that someone just uses konqueror as webbrowser, so cutting down the deps makes sense I guess
[22:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: mm, ok
[22:16] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: can't find the svn+ssh command anywhere for the KDE SVN repositories.... could you resend me that link you send me yesterday?
[22:17] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: which one was that?
[22:18] <nosrednaekim> the one for "getting a SVN account" I'm trying to find it myself, but haven't had any luck
[22:18] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Contribute/Get_a_SVN_Account
[22:18] <nosrednaekim> I got a SVN account though, I just need the ssh command...
[22:18] <nosrednaekim> thanks!
[22:22] <blueyed> Riddell: can you please fix bug 206187 in the next upload of kdebase?
[22:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206187 in kdebase "Please drop patch kubuntu_9920_startkde_dash_stupidness.diff" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206187
[22:22] <fdoving> man, using icecream for a build-farm is so simple. can't belive i've never done that before.
[22:22] <blueyed> Riddell: I would have committed the change to the bzr branch, but it does not get used currently (anymore)..
[22:23] <Serega> Riddell: how it's going? can I help you?
[22:23] <seele> nosrednaekim: what is the default screen that shows up with the settings tab?  is that for the currently selected printer?
[22:23]  * apachelogger is afraid something in konqueror-kde4 might be broken now
[22:24] <fdoving> apachelogger: current svn?
[22:24] <nosrednaekim> seele: "Server Settings"?
[22:24] <apachelogger> fdoving: no, my current packaging
[22:24] <seele> nosrednaekim: i have whatever is currently in bazaar. when you start system-config-printer-kde there is a screen.  what is that screen for?
[22:25] <fdoving> apachelogger: phew. i'm building trunk. i was close to ctrl-c'ing it.
[22:25] <seele> nosrednaekim: is it for a selected printer?
[22:26] <apachelogger> fdoving: as I stated at the last meeting, only breakage makes using devel versions fun :D
[22:26] <nosrednaekim> seele: does it have options such as "Show Printers shared by other systems" and "Allow Printing from the Internet"  or options like "Printout Mode" and "Orientation"?
[22:26] <Riddell> blueyed: ok
[22:26] <Riddell> Serega: I'll get there, just distracted by other hings
[22:26] <seele> nosrednaekim: that is on the servers page
[22:27] <seele> nosrednaekim: that isnt the default screen that shows though
[22:27] <fdoving> apachelogger: yeah, i could just revert it to a working revision sooner if i knew it would break :)
[22:27] <Serega> Riddell: ok, ok. Just feel free to bother me on need
[22:27] <seele> i'm just trying to figure out what's in the ui, that's all, i know it's not done
[22:28] <nosrednaekim> seele: could I have a screenshot?i'm not sure what you are referring to... or maybe the names of widgets/text
[22:28] <seele> nosrednaekim: three tabs.  Settings Policies Options.  three buttons. Remover Printer, Print Test Page, Clean Print Heads
[22:28] <nosrednaekim> seele: oh... right, yes, thats for the current printer
[22:28] <seele> once you click New Printer or Server Settings, you cant get back to the page
[22:29] <seele> ok
[22:29] <nosrednaekim> you have to select one of the existing printers to get back to that page
[22:29] <nosrednaekim> i'm not sure what happens if you don't have any printers though.
[22:29] <seele> there are no existing printers
[22:29] <seele> lol.. when you dont have any that screen shows up when you run system-config-printer-kde
[22:30] <nosrednaekim> ah... that would be a problem... thanks
[22:30] <nosrednaekim> :)
[22:30] <nosrednaekim> hah... that does look wierd.... just tried it
[22:32] <allee> Riddell: about gwenview: only kubuntu spezific change would be kubuntu_01_kdepot.diff.  But the upstream default: kdepotpath=${includedir:-`kde-config --expandvars --install include`}/kde.pot   evaluate to kdepotpath=/usr/include/kde/kde.pot  and this is the hardcoded default of the kubuntu patch
[22:33]  * allee can imagine what kubuntu_01_kdepot.diff is good for
[22:34] <Riddell> allee: it may not be needed then (or it may break in unexpected ways in the buildds)
[22:36] <allee> Riddell: okay.  I'll pbuild a 'sync'.  let's see
[22:41] <yuriy> for lack of other ideas, i'll go with konqueror for thursday
[22:41] <yuriy> hug day on thursday that is
[22:41] <nosrednaekim> yuriy: kde3 or kde4?
[22:42] <yuriy> 3
[22:49] <allee> Riddell: okay, gwenview 'sync' pbuilds in hardy.  Therefore status is: fabo and me merged/uploaded kubuntu changes back to debian.   After libkdcraw 0.1.4-2 from sid is sync'ed  and _built on all_ ubuntu archs: digikam 0.9.3-2 , gwenview 1.4.2-4, kipi-plugins 0.1.5-1 and kphotoalbum 3.1.1-1 can be synce'ed from sid.
[22:57] <Riddell> Serega: looks great, uploaded, thanks
[22:57] <Riddell> Serega: you should probably check with carlos that it'll get imported into launchpad for hardy, then you can upload your translations to launchpad
[22:58] <Serega> Riddell: it is a music for my ears. thank you, Jonathan!
[22:58] <Serega> Riddell: who is carlos?
[22:59] <Riddell> Serega: carlos developers launchpad translations, doesn't seem to be o irc just now
[22:59] <Riddell> Serega: carlos develops launchpad translations, doesn't seem to be on irc just now
[23:00] <Serega> Riddell:  ah, ok. Good night!
[23:16] <Riddell> allee: why do those packages need to wait for libkdcraw? don't they have versioned build-deps?
[23:17] <allee> Riddell: yeap.   makes backports easier, but one has to wait until lib is build
[23:25] <nosrednaekim> seele: bug-type-thingy fixed :)
[23:33] <seele> nosrednaekim: cool
[23:36] <jjesse>   evening
[23:36] <nosrednaekim> hey jjesse
[23:36] <jjesse> hello nosrednaekim
[23:56] <seele> anyone know where theme icons are stored?
[23:57] <Riddell> seele: /usr/share/icons /usr/lib/kde4/share/icons
[23:57] <seele> Riddell: thanks
[23:58] <Riddell> or kdebase/runtime in svn
[23:59] <seele> huh, i guess i could have searched for "icon" too
[23:59] <seele> i dont mean to ask so many dumb questions :P


[19:04] <testyget> I intend to format a new external HDD to ext4 and encrypt..do I need to choose the secure wipe with zeros option since it's new..or is the fast wipe ok?
[20:25] <bekks> tsglove: that depends on the degree of your paranoia.