[02:52] <matthew45> hi
[02:54] <DarinMiller> Hi
[03:12] <metaman> Hello! ~ Please, I am not able to see the image dimensions meta data when previewing images in Dolphin. I am using Dolphin 16.04.3 with KDE 5.28.0 and Qt 5.6.1 under Kubuntu 16.10 (Kernel 4.8.0-37-generic). Thanks in advance for your help!
[03:15] <metaman> (Last year, I used to be able to see those image related information when hovering over the images instantly. Not anymore though).
[03:40] <metaman> I have asked the question at AskUbuntu and would greatly appreciate it if someone can help. Thanks - (https://askubuntu.com/questions/881428/dolphin-is-not-showing-the-image-dimensions-metadata-when-previewing-images-on-k)
[03:40] <valorie> metaman: when you right-click, do you have the option to see what you want?
[03:41] <metaman> Hello valorie! Thank you for your reply. No when using the righ-click, I am still not able to see any option that would let me see the dimensions. Not even when visiting the properties window.
[03:41] <metaman> *right-click
[03:42] <valorie> weird
[03:45] <valorie> alt+return gets me "properties" including size, but in terms of filesize, not in terms of pixels
[03:45] <valorie> this is in zesty
[03:45] <valorie> so I suggest filing a but against Dolphin in bugs.kde.org
[03:46] <valorie> bug report, not "but"
[03:46] <metaman> valorie: last year, i used to be able to see all those important metadata especially the image dimensions. As I used to use this feature all the time and I am exclusively a Kubuntu user.
[03:47] <metaman> I am not very sure why they vanished from my system
[03:48] <metaman> I don't install new programs at all as well. It seems it is out of some recent update since I keep all the packages on their bleeding edge.
[03:48] <valorie> I have used that in the past as well, metaman
[03:49] <valorie> I think it is a bug that it has disappeared
[03:49] <metaman> When hovering over any image, can you see the dimensions? or you are getting the same info as me? (the image is available on my AskUbuntu question).
[03:50] <valorie> yes, I get the same
[03:50] <metaman> It would be great if you can confirm that since it would tell me if I am the only one who is getting this error or not. I see, it seems both of us are seeing the same window.
[03:51] <valorie> I assume that we have the same version of dolphin
[03:51] <metaman> 16.04.3?
[03:51] <valorie> what does apt policy dolphin tell you?
[03:51] <valorie> in the command line
[03:52] <metaman> let me check real quick...
[03:52] <valorie> nstalled: 4:16.12.1-0ubuntu3 is mine
[03:52] <metaman> 4:16.04.3-0ubuntu1
[03:53] <valorie> huh
[03:53] <valorie> well, we're different but the same
[03:53] <valorie> I can chime in on your bugreport if you file one
[03:55] <metaman> Running "sudo apt-get install dolphin", is suggesting that I am using the latest version under Kubuntu 16.10. Are you under Kubuntu?
[03:57] <valorie> yes, using the alpha of 17.04 (zesty)
[03:58] <metaman> Indeed, the latest version according to wikipedia is 16.12.1. Since you are using the alpha version of Zesty, you have got the latest packages automatically. Very nice but the problem persisted in both versions which means we will get the next version of Kubuntu with the same bug.
[03:59] <valorie> which is why I suggest a bug report
[03:59] <valorie> I assume it was simply overlooked, and can easily be added back
[04:00] <valorie> 17.04 isn't released until April, so there is time
[04:01] <valorie> we're staging KDE apps 16.04.2 before the beta, we hope
[04:02] <metaman> I never had any success reporting any kind of bug around the Kubuntu forum although i have been using it for the last 6+ years. I don't usually get replies as well. If you care about this feature, please report it up there. You might have a better chance than me since you have a good profile on here. If you don't care about it or simply don't have
[04:02] <metaman> time to report that, then just forget it. Either way, thank you very much for taking the time to answer me today.
[04:03] <valorie> bugs.kde.org
[04:03] <valorie> is the tracker
[04:03] <valorie> forums are not bug trackers
[04:06] <metaman> You are right. I just typed the word "forum" up there by mistake. I have tried all types of reporting in the past, nothing really worked out for me.
[04:08] <valorie> :(
[04:08] <valorie> I file bugs and they are solved/fixed
[04:09] <metaman> reporting a bug for a volunteer open source developer to check it and fix it seems to be a hard shot in my records. They should add a feature to report bugs as a paid post. When something is paid, it get noticed around and they feel obliged to address it or explain it to you at least.  If you have time to file the bug, it would be perfect!
[04:11] <metaman> Thank you valorie for being so kind today to explain all that. Greatly appreciated :)
[04:12] <valorie> thanks for bringing it to my attention, metaman
[04:49] <metaman> valorie : While finilizing my search on the topic, i found this post: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=372160 - This guy has already listed our bug since 06/11/2016 and nothing pratically happened since then. It would be kind if you can add your vote to the bug report. Thanks
[05:00] <valorie> thanks metaman!
[05:04] <metaman> I have also checked online and it seems that this bug has been around for a very long time. No one is really paying attention to it since most developers hardly ever work with graphics or notice those metadata.
[05:04] <valorie> I'll find out who can mark this as confirmed for us
[05:05] <valorie> unconfirmed bug reports are often ignored, yes
[05:05] <valorie> there are never enough people testing and confirming BRs
[05:06] <metaman> The Kubuntu community is much smaller than the the general Ubuntu community. Although I think Kubuntu is an amazing distro that should have got much more popularity than that.
[05:08] <valorie> well, I agree with you
[05:08] <metaman> Asking questions about Kubuntu on AskUbuntu for example, always generates 0 replies, answers or comments. As if Kubuntu is not part of the Ubuntu family.
[05:08] <valorie> the money is on Unity though, but we're not going away
[05:09] <valorie> sure, most KDE people use the KDE forum
[05:09] <valorie> or kubuntuforums
[05:09] <valorie> I never ask questions on askubuntu, although google finds me answers there sometimes
[05:09] <valorie> sec
[06:01] <metaman> Thank you valorie in helping us confirming the bug. I have also added some votes to it hoping they "might" fix it in the next upcoming release.
[06:08] <morfeox> hello, help please, me again?
[06:08] <morfeox> I solve the problem of the other day but now I have question
[06:09] <morfeox> I use ubuntu and every time I installed burg bootleader, but how I do that on kubuntu
[06:09] <morfeox> I try it like in ubuntu but doesn't work
[06:09] <valorie> !info burg
[06:09] <morfeox> hello valorie
[06:10] <user|44192> Hello guys i had a malicious person acces my files and delete or cut my files.I have tried installing test disk but to no avail.I kindly need some assistance on the matter.Any help will be greatlt appreciated.
[06:11] <morfeox> so ubottu, I can't used, just that simple?
[06:11] <morfeox> and you have a suggestion of another bootloeader like burg that can I use in yakkety, please?
[06:11] <valorie> morfeox: I just did `apt search bootloader` and there are lots of choices
[06:12] <valorie> however, I don't see that one
[06:12] <hateball> hmmm, today both screens have no desktops or panels. plasma is nice that way, a new experience each boot
[06:12]  * hateball sighs
[06:12] <valorie> that doesn't mean you can't use it
[06:12] <valorie> but it means you can't just install and use
[06:12] <denza242> How do I restart pulseaudio? Just service pulseaudio restart?
[06:13] <valorie> denza242: I think so -- start or restart
[06:13] <denza242> thanks
[06:13] <valorie> user|44192: what do you mean "test disk"?
[06:13] <denza242> It's taking a bit more CPU than usual, so might as well try restarting
[06:14] <morfeox> ok but valorie, what bootloader from the search and list you say, you say works better
[06:15] <Unit193> Burg hasn't been maintained for 7 years, and doesn't support UEFI.
[06:15] <valorie> morfeox: I've never used anything but the bootloader that comes on the ISO
[06:16] <valorie> grub, and then grub2
[06:16] <valorie> the other favorite is LILO
[06:16] <morfeox> thanks for the info, but someone can suggest one of them, for own expirience?
[06:16] <Unit193> valorie: Technically the bootloader on the iso is isolinux.
[06:16] <valorie> err, ok
[06:16] <valorie> that, then
[06:16] <Unit193> grub/grub2 is what you use when installed.
[06:17] <valorie> morfeox: I assume if you wanted selinux you would already be using that
[06:17] <morfeox> valorie you have used LILO and works ok?
[06:17] <Unit193> morfeox: I missed it, what's wrong with grub?
[06:17] <valorie> no, unless that was what came on Mandrake, years ago
[06:19] <morfeox> for me no problem, but grafically has nothing good and for other user of my PC that don't have much expirience in tecnology means something rare
[06:20] <morfeox> so I need a bootloader better grafically than the bootloaders for default
[06:21] <hateball> Typically you dont stare much at grub, you'd be looking at the plymouth splash
[06:22] <morfeox> something the begginers can understand when power on my PC I try to use, now that I also have installed Win10 for them in a partition, so now understand me
[06:41] <Trioxin> plasma keeps crashing. I'm running 16.10. This all started after I accidentally started a second session under the same user account I was logged in as. Plasmashell crashes each time I type anything into search. Also my openvpn program has a second instance  running for some reason (Abnormal)
[06:41] <Trioxin> i tried renaming .kde dir
[06:41] <Trioxin> I've rebooted a few times, logged out a few times.
[06:44] <hateball> Trioxin: what are your session settings? to restore state or start with new session?
[06:45] <Trioxin> new
[06:45] <Trioxin> hateball, sart with new
[06:59] <valorie> huh, renaming ~/.kde
[06:59] <valorie> haven't seen that for awhile....
[07:00] <hateball> oh they left
[07:00] <hateball> shame, since plasma stuff is in ~/.local these days
[07:02] <Trioxin> tried deleting .cache
[07:02] <Trioxin> didn't work
[07:04] <Trioxin> how can I reset anything that may have been caused by starting a parallel session
[07:04] <valorie> Trioxin: ~/.kde controls only KDE4 applications
[07:04] <hateball> Trioxin: plasma 5 stuff is under ~/.local
[07:04] <valorie> now everything is in ~/.local and ~/.config
[07:05] <valorie> so unless you are running 14.04, try moving ~/.local
[07:06] <Trioxin> there's all kinds of stuff in there for other apps
[07:09] <Trioxin> logging out and back in after these actions should be enough right?
[09:05] <dahlia> I have kubuntu 15.10 64 bit, is there a way I can get the nvidia-367.57 driver via aptitude?
[09:08] <dahlia> and/or how can I upgrade to 16.04 without breaking everything?
[09:08] <hateball> dahlia: 15.10 is EOL, upgrade to 16.04
[09:08] <dahlia> how do I upgrade?
[09:08] <hateball> dahlia: sudo do-release-upgrade
[09:09] <dahlia> does that usually work? I've done upgrades in the past and it wasn't pretty
[09:09] <hateball> dahlia: once on 16.04 there are a number of things I'd advise you to do, such as use the kubuntu backports PPA as well as the nvidia PPA
[09:09] <hateball> dahlia: I've upgraded a number of machines anyhow
[09:09] <hateball> if you're worried, as usual take backups before
[09:10] <dahlia> hateball: well I'll try it, I think I at least have /home on a separate partition
[09:20] <jimsio> hi, want to switch from ubuntu-mate to kde. i installed plasma
[09:20] <jimsio> now i tried muon
[09:20] <jimsio> but search doesn't work
[09:20] <jimsio> do i need an extra package for that?
[09:21] <hateball> jimsio: I dont think so, but afaik muon is quite broken anyhow
[09:21] <hateball> jimsio: 16.04 or 16.10 ?
[09:21] <hateball> jimsio: did you install only plasma, or did you grab kubuntu-desktop ?
[09:21] <jimsio> 16.10
[09:22] <jimsio> only plasma
[09:22] <jimsio> plasma-desktop
[09:22] <hateball> muon should have its dependencies properly set to function anyway I'd think
[09:22] <hateball> but I cant say, as I only use kubuntu-desktop
[09:23] <hateball> jimsio: are you talking discover or package manager btw?
[09:24] <jimsio> i see all the packages scrolling through but search shows nothing
[09:24] <jimsio> package manager
[09:25] <hateball> hmmm, seems to work for me on 16.04 anyhows
[09:25] <jimsio> don't want to install all the kde desktop, because i don't use most apps
[09:27] <jimsio> don't believe it is a missing package
[09:27] <jimsio> strange
[09:27] <jimsio> so i use apt
[09:27] <jimsio> and synaptic ;)
[09:30] <dahlia> I think I just used plasma-desktop when I put kde on debian
[09:32] <jimsio> i muon search depend on something, apt-get install had installed it...
[09:36] <jimsio> started muon the fifth time now it works
[09:39] <hateball> perhaps it has its own cache or something that needs to be built
[12:11] <dahlia> how can I make the digital clock desktop widget larger?
[12:14] <dahlia> nvm I found it
[12:14] <acheronuk> little resize icon in the widget toolbox :)
[12:15] <dahlia> ya but have to hold down left mouse for a while before it shows
[12:16] <acheronuk> in the configure desktop right click menu, in the tweaks section, you can change it so you only have to hover on widgets for that
[12:17] <dahlia> ah ok ty
[12:56] <makaan> hello guys
[13:50] <Vamp898> Hi there. After adding the packports ppa to get a more recent version of KDE, almost everything works perfect except... KWin shortcuts disappeared. Normally in Systemsettings --> Shortcuts --> Global Shortcuts there is supposed to be an section called KWin. This is no longer there after the upgrade.
[13:50] <Vamp898> I was able to reproduce this behavior on a fresh installed VM
[14:22] <yossarianuk> hi - is plasma 5.9.x planned for the backports ppa ?
[14:22] <yossarianuk> The bad thing about the PPA is often its behind... Right now @ 5.8.5 but 5.8.6 is out .
[14:24] <soee> it won't land in 16.04 but should in 16.10 backports
[14:38] <yossarianuk> soee: cheers, that makes sense as 5.8.x is LTS too..
[14:39] <yossarianuk> 17.04 - that will use 5.9.x I assume ?
 5.8.6 is not out until Tue 2017-02-21
[16:10] <Roey> hi all
[16:10] <Roey> can anyone recommend me a good NAS (with four bays) that I can install BorgBackup on?
[16:10] <Roey> i.e. linux-based
[16:23] <glemsom> Sometimes when i start KDE, one of my screens is completly black. Right-Click contex isn't working either on that screen - and I've noticed the mouse-theme is the default white theme... How can I avoid this ?
[16:24] <Orteip> Is the splash screen set to display?
[16:25] <glemsom> Orteip: I see a splash-screen when I start yes
[16:25] <glemsom> Should I try and disable that ?
[16:26] <Orteip> No, I would suggest leaving that on glemsom
[16:26] <Orteip> It gives KDE time to initialize
[16:26] <Orteip> It happened to me when I disabled that
[16:27] <Orteip> glemsom: I just enabled it and it was fixed, so I can't help you past here
[16:27] <glemsom> hmm, I'll try and disable it then... maybe that's better for me....
[16:28] <glemsom> one thing though, i noticed the login-screen seems to mirror my screens... wonder if that is normal ?
[16:29] <Orteip> glemsom: maybe you shoud try and change the compositor you are using?
[16:29] <glemsom> hmm how do I do that ?
[16:29] <Orteip> Settings > Screen and monitor > Compositor
[16:29] <Orteip> When I was using openGL 2 i had some problems
[16:30] <Orteip> but got them fixed when switching to opengl 3
[16:31] <glemsom> I'll give it a go... bbl
[16:44] <glemsom> Well, after disable of splash-screen, it seems KDE can remember my screens now... :D
[16:44] <glemsom> It cannot remember my shortcut for application launcher though.. :(
[16:46] <Orteip> glemsom: What happens? When you set the shortcut it won't work after rebooting?
[16:46] <glemsom> Orteip: Correct... after each reboot, it forgets my shortcut... :/
[16:49] <Orteip> glemsom: Can you change the default app for any file? i.e. set .webm to be opened with VLC instead of firefox?
[16:49] <glemsom> Orteip: yeah, for example i created a custom shortcut for opening "Konsole"... this works through reboots... but, the builtin for Plasma -> Application menu does not :(
[16:50] <Orteip> glemsom: Well then i don't know why this happens
[16:50] <Orteip> at least it is a minor problem
[16:51] <glemsom> And when I choose to get new wallpapers, and choose another category, it displayes all soft of other files - which are not wallpapers for download... :/
[16:51] <glemsom> As this i a fresh install, i honestly didn't expect to see those kind of quirks within the first few hours of use... :/
[16:54] <Scaniatrucker> glemson:hello. You can try KDE Neon. You found, that it is a bug free experience.
[16:55] <glemsom> hmm KDE Neon... haven't heard of it.... I'll give that a go ! :D
[16:56] <glemsom> ohh it's for 16.04... I installed 16.10 :/
[16:56] <yossarianuk> you would need to reinstall to install kde-neon (or its a good idea anyway)
[16:56] <yossarianuk> Its ubuntu 16.04 + latest stable plasma
[16:57] <glemsom> Think I'll give gnome3 a try instead then... I need the better qemu in 16.10 anyway...
[16:57] <glemsom> Think I'll log into console and install that.... bbl.... :P
[16:57] <yossarianuk> before yo do that though you may want to enable the kubuntu-backports PPA
[16:57] <yossarianuk> that gives you plasma 5.8.5 at present which fixes a lot of stuff
[16:58] <yossarianuk> i.e try the kubuntu-backports PPA with your present system
[16:58] <yossarianuk> fixed a few things for me
[16:58] <yossarianuk> http://kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5-6-4-available-in-16-04-backports/
[16:59] <yossarianuk> ignore the fact it says 16.04 - the repo also works for 16.10
[17:02] <Scaniatrucker> glemsom: here link https://neon.kde.org/
[18:28] <TemporalBeing> Q: I'm running a MacBook Pro Retina 2013 with 2 external monitors (HDMI, DP) so I have 3 in total (eDP, DP, HDMI). Occasionally the built-in monitor (eDP) will turn off. KDE/xrandr seems to think it's still active. I've tried enable/disable via SystemSettings and via xrandr with no luck. In past I've resolved through a reboot. Suggestions?
[18:30] <TemporalBeing> Running 16.10 LTS with all updates; (KDEF 2.26.0, Qt 5.6.1, xcb windowing according to Dolphin's About Dolphin)
[18:31] <TemporalBeing> plasma desktop 5.7
[19:05] <woodchuck> Hi! I'm new to this irc thing but am willing to pit in the time to learn it
[19:05]  * genii makes more coffee
[19:06] <woodchuck> Coffe would be great
[20:37] <keithzg> Hmm, does anyone know why a groovy script I'm writing (a Jenkinsfile, literally named Jenkinsfile, which I'm using for an in-SCM Jenkins pipeline definition) isn't automatically detected by Kate and set to "groovy" as the mode? I have to do so every time I open it, which obviously isn't a big deal but I'm wondering what more I'd need to do to get it automatically detected like most files are.
[22:39] <mgolden_> keithzg: I believe it's based on file extension, not name
[22:40] <mgolden_> Try Settings -> Configure Kate -> Editor Component -> Open/Save -> Modes and Filetypes
[22:45] <Guest30003> .
[23:59] <jeffythedragonsl> Hi


[01:21] <popey> hullo! bug 1100110
[01:21] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1100110 in xorg (Ubuntu) "can't upgrade xorg package" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1100110
[01:22] <popey> i cant upgrade my xorg package in precise proposed
[01:33] <slangasek> popey: 1:7.6+12ubuntu1.12 doesn't appear to be an official version of the xserver-xorg package.  Isn't the problem that you have packages installed from an unofficial source?
[01:35] <popey> hmm.
[01:36] <popey> wonder where that came from
[01:36]  * popey rummages, thanks slangasek
[01:36] <slangasek> beats me :)
[01:36] <slangasek> y/w
[09:03] <Mirv> precise queue's jockey (pre-requisite), nvidia-graphics-drivers-updates, nvidia-graphics-drivers-experimental, fglrx-installer-experimental-9 and fglrx-installer-updates would be nice to have so that we can test the LTS-Q stack as a whole also for the proprietary drivers
[09:04] <Mirv> now that the packages are finally in shape AFAIK
[09:05] <Mirv> (and I think bcmwl is also relevant although not a graphics driver - includes support for >3.4 kernels)
[10:13] <psivaa> cjwatson: infinity: I've had to report bug 1100213 for the precise d-i alternate and server installation failures this morning.
[10:13] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1100213 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) "Precise d-i installations fail with "/cdrom/dists/precise/main/debian-installer/binary-amd64/Packages does not exist" error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1100213
[10:15] <cjwatson> ack
[10:16] <cjwatson> though you misidentified the error message :)
[10:21] <psivaa> cjwatson: ohh again? :), syncing the image in progress slowly, so could not directly see what the issue was. took the error message from the logs
[10:24] <cjwatson> The correct error was in a slightly different place in the logs
[10:24] <cjwatson> it's just a kernel mismatch
[10:24] <cjwatson> i.e. muggins forgot to update the seeds
[10:25] <infinity> cjwatson: Oh, yeah, I was going to update the seeds when d-i was accepted.
[10:25] <cjwatson> I'll do it now
[10:25] <infinity> Which kinda happened, and then I forgot. :P
[10:26] <infinity> Thanks.
[10:27] <psivaa> thanks you, can i assume that all the impacted images would be re-spun?
[10:27] <cjwatson> I'll do ubuntu alt/server, anything else can be tomorrow's cron job
[10:28] <psivaa> ok thanks
[11:39] <Laney> Are the usb-* seeds still used for anything?
[11:39] <Laney> AFAICT they hold some stuff in main
[11:44] <xnox> Laney: there is also a funny dev seed that I want to kill.
[11:45] <tseliot> cjwatson: would it be possible to have bcmwl approved (the SRU for precise) by the end of this week? This would really be helpful for hwe
[11:45] <cjwatson> infinity: ^- could you do that?
[12:16] <Laney> xnox: yeah don't know about that one
[12:17] <Laney> also not sure if usb is holding stuff in main that we actually want there
[15:14] <scott-work> is this the appropriate place or -devel to mention that 386 image are not available for ubuntu studio precise ?
[15:16] <Riddell> in the ubuntu studio channel?
[15:55] <psivaa> out of curiosity, was there a bug involved in causing the precise desktop images to have been re-spun (i.e. 20130116.1)?
[15:56] <cjwatson> psivaa: New livecd-rootfs to try to fix size issues
[15:59] <psivaa> cjwatson: ahh ok, thanks
[15:59] <cjwatson> Hopefully, anyway, I haven't checked yet :)
[16:01] <psivaa> .OVERSIZED marks are still present in cdimage.u.c though
[16:05] <cjwatson> psivaa: Yeah, I wasn't expecting to get everything
[16:05] <cjwatson> It's death-by-a-thousand-cuts rather than a single problem
[16:07] <psivaa> cjwatson: ok :)
[16:10] <ogra_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-19474239
[16:10] <ogra_> :P
[16:11] <ogra_> stop caring, its healthy :)
[16:12] <cjwatson> We've stopped caring for *later* releases ;-)
[16:43] <slangasek> infinity, cjwatson: any idea on the current precise zh_CN build failures?  I'm not sure why it's complaining about xserver-xorg-lts-quantal; it's true that this is only in -proposed so wouldn't be in the sources.list when rebuilding, but shouldn't it already be in the image?
[16:45] <cjwatson> I was thinking about ignoring it until we decide we can blat xorg into -updates - I suspect ubuntu-defaults-image isn't very good at handling -proposed
[17:11] <Riddell> anyone remember rejecting ksnakeduel and kmahjongg?
[17:12] <Riddell> the new transitional binaries were rejected but I got nobody telling me why
[17:21] <scott-work> Riddell: it is the developers from the ubuntustudio-devel channel than are asking about the images that are not being created
[17:29] <Riddell> scott-work: have they looked at the logs?
[17:30] <slangasek> it's being discussed on ubuntu-release@
[17:40] <scott-work> Riddell: to be honest, i had forgotten where the logs were at. i have them now. thank you for reminding me.
[17:41] <scott-work> slangasek: i see the email now. it was in an unexpected folder because of who is was addressed.
[17:41] <scott-work> thank you both
[20:51] <cjwatson> SpamapS: ^-
[20:52] <cjwatson> was bitten by me forgetting to rm .upload when re-uploading with infinity's correction to the default/grub.d bits
[20:52] <SpamapS> cjwatson: thats what you get for using dput ;)
[20:52] <SpamapS> cjwatson: will review shortly, thanks
[20:53] <cjwatson> pretty sure dupload had similar behaviour, only worse (it used to produce partial reuploads if you'd interrupted a previous one, which was not too terrible with Debian's upload queue but pathologically bad with Ubuntu's)


[12:16] <rsajdok> I am trying to start loco project. After 'make init' I got: http://pastie.org/5876236 any suggestion?
[14:52] <daker> rsajdok: hey
[14:53] <daker> rsajdok: try changing the distribute package version on requirements/dev.txt
[14:53] <daker> try : distribute==0.6.21
[15:46] <rsajdok|a> Daker: ok, I will try, thanks
[20:24] <rsajdok> daker: still the same error
[20:52] <rsajdok> daker: Maybe this problem exists because i have python2.7 pip-2.7 ?
[20:56] <daker> rsajdok: wait a min
[21:02] <daker> rsajdok: try this
[21:02] <daker> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1577931/
[21:17] <rsajdok> daker: ok, I will back in a few minutes
[23:02] <rsajdok> daker: make env works fine, thanks
[23:02] <daker> rsajdok: wow :)
[23:10] <rsajdok> daker: "make db" http://pastie.org/5888980
[23:13] <daker> rsajdok: try to delete the db then run make db
[23:14] <daker> again
[23:23] <rsajdok> daker: works, problem was in that I created admin profile
[23:23] <daker> :)
[23:25] <rsajdok> Is there any plans to migrate from python 2.6 to 2.7 in loco project?
[23:27] <daker> rsajdok: for now we are wating for IS to migrate the server to django 1.3
[23:29] <daker> rsajdok: i am running it with 2.7
[23:29] <rsajdok> env:
[23:30] <rsajdok> daker: env:
[23:30] <daker> ?
[23:30] <rsajdok> daker: What is IS ?
[23:31] <daker> the team that handles/manages canonical servers
[23:31] <daker> rsajdok: ^


[09:30] <duflu> greyback: I'm auditing devices to see if we're ready for turning off input resampling. It's looking OK so far (mostly as the touchscreens are emitting events at the same rate as they redraw now). Do you have any knowledge of relevant software changes?
[09:30] <greyback> duflu: there were no software changes on my end
[09:30] <duflu> Oh, except we need to go slower than the refresh rate to overcome the nesting penalty :(
[09:42] <alan_g> greyback: is there any way I can help with the Qt integration?
[09:54] <greyback> alan_g: until I've the foundations set up, not really. I will propose a series of MPs today
[10:06] <duflu> Hmm, my touch screen test was flawed. I forgot Mir's Android platform still has https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1369763
[12:43] <greyback> alan_g: when you return, I need a hand with one thing
[12:43] <greyback> https://code.launchpad.net/~gerboland/miral/qt-add-window-model-qt-side/+merge/301261
[12:43] <greyback> please grab that and test the "qml-demo-shell" with a client
[12:44] <greyback> problem is that as I'm overriding the MultiThreadedCompositor implementation, there is nothing who calls WindowManager::add_display
[12:45] <greyback> do you know any handy way I can get access to the WindowManger object?
[13:00] <alan_g> greyback: A hack (that we would need to address later) would be to use a customized version of SetWindowManagmentPolicy that keeps a weak_ptr<> to the object it builds that you can grab.
[13:01] <greyback> alan_g: ack. Was what I was thinking, but wanted to run it by you
[13:03] <alan_g> I can thing of a couple of uglier hacks. But really its the Mir wiring that is wrong - if you can override MTC you ought to be able to do the stuff the default does.
[13:03] <alan_g> *it's
[13:27] <alan_g> greyback: a (slightly) better hack: std::dynamic_pointer_cast<AbstractShell>(server.the_shell())
[13:28] <anpok> you need to replace the shell?
[13:28] <greyback> only just :)
[13:28] <anpok> the AbstractShell..
[13:29] <greyback> I'm gonna rewrite it in Qt
[13:29] <greyback> because, you know
[13:29] <greyback> :D
[13:29] <greyback> (kidding)
[13:33] <anpok> Thats not funny.
[13:36] <alan_g> anpok: he just needs to call a method on AbstractShell and Mir doesn't make it easy
[13:39] <alan_g> /o\ The downcast isn't needed
[13:40] <alan_g> greyback: you can just grab server.the_shell() and call add_display() Shell IsA DisplayListener
[13:40] <greyback> alan_g: ah, not so bad
[13:41]  * alan_g must do penance for thinking Mir got it wrong
[13:46] <anpok> hehe
[13:46] <anpok> inconceiveable thought
[13:47] <alan_g> You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
[13:59] <anpok> kdub: is there an easy way to figure out if a BufferStreamId is represented by a buffer stream and not a buffer chain
[14:00] <anpok> kdub: I dont want the client to regularly throw and catch on resize events
[14:00] <greyback> alan_g: ok, I've MPs up for your reviewing pleasure.
[14:00] <greyback> it's all a bit rough and WiP, but the main idea is there
[14:01] <greyback> and gedit is usable
[14:02] <alan_g> greyback: thanks
[14:07] <kdub> anpok, no by design, because the server has no distinction between the two
[14:08] <kdub> its really just for the benefit of the client that there's a distiction
[14:08] <anpok> so they also share the same id space
[14:08] <kdub> right, server-side they are both mc::Stream
[14:31] <alan_g> greyback: nothing really bad. Looks like progress.
[14:32] <alan_g> But I did crash it rather easily: By connecting gnome-terminal and then starting mir_demo_client_egltriangle from that.
[14:33] <greyback> alan_g: ack. I'm not claiming it is very stable
[14:33] <greyback> the model syncing stuff isn't great
[14:47] <alan_g> That's something I can help with once we have a skeleton POC
[16:52] <alan_g> greyback__: not pushed qt-add-window-model-qt-side?
[16:52] <greyback__> alan_g: pushed now
[16:52] <alan_g> ta
[16:52] <greyback__> sorry
[17:01] <greyback__> alan_g: just one nitpick with https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/miral/add-indirection-to-stabilize-WindowManagerTools-ABI/+merge/301299
[17:02] <alan_g> greyback__: thanks - I'll get to it in the morning. (And yes, renames work pretty well in CLion.)
[17:03] <greyback__> alan_g: even -> to member access?
[17:03] <greyback__> anyway, have a nice evening
[17:07] <alan_g> that was just a global text substitution.


[14:41] <studio-user172> Dear staff of Ubuntu Studio, the program Openshot 1.4.3 in my possession on the Ubuntu Studio suite, from problems of stability character! I always have to save so as not to lose data, I do not render it in real time, I have to repeat the operations to see them effective, especially when I have to change the clip length and the direction of progress.  It seems that it does not work very well, I kindly ask you to get me a
[14:42] <Eickmeyer> studio-user172: Please file a bug report by opening the terminal and typing "ubuntu-bug openshot" and following the instructions. We do not develop, maintain, or package openshot, it is simply included in our customized version of Ubuntu.
[14:43] <studio-user172> ok
[14:43] <studio-user172> thanks
[14:43] <Eickmeyer> And please understand that the Ubuntu Studio team is a volunteer team and nobody on the ubuntu studio team is employed by canonical.
[14:44] <Eickmeyer> We're trying our best with the small staff we have.


[04:00] <sagaci> Hi, anyone around for today's Translation Jam?
[04:03] <sagaci> jaddi27: hi, at least someone has turned up, I'll start on https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+lang/en_AU/+index?batch=300&memo=600&start=600 that batch of strings
[04:03] <jaddi27> sagaci, I will be ready for translating a bit later - just got home from an exam
[04:04] <sagaci> no worries
[04:04] <jaddi27> ok. let me know if there is some package you would like me to work on later
[04:23] <sagaci> For anyone interested in translations into en_AU, we generally follow the English guidelines - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation
[04:24] <sagaci> you'll need to also set your preferred languages to at least English (Australia), so it makes it easier to pick what language your translations will be aimed at
[04:24] <sagaci> this setting can be found on your Launchpad homepage
[04:26] <sagaci> we are currently ~68% done with around 128,000 strings to go
[04:37] <jaddi27> sagaci, Which area would you like me to do?
[04:47] <head_victim_defy> So how is the jam going. I just jumped on in my lunch break here at work :)
[04:47] <jaddi27> Only a couple of us here i think
[04:48] <head_victim_defy> Better than none. No doubt a dint is being made either way
[04:50] <jaddi27> yes, i am sure it will help to get closer to being finished
[04:51] <sagaci> yeah, thanks head_victim_defy
[04:52] <head_victim_defy> Did anyone get a count of how many to go before it started? Would be good to get a count.
[04:52] <jaddi27> 128397 as of yesterday
[04:53] <jaddi27> that many to go, that is
[04:53] <head_victim_defy> Of and if anyone feels like taking a picture they were trying to get some "action" shots of the jams with jam in the picture.
[04:54] <jaddi27> sounds like an interesting choice of picture
[04:55] <head_victim_defy> From what i was reading on the main ubuntu planet there was something about uploading them to flickr with specific tags. Would also be nice for the team flickr page
[04:58] <head_victim_defy> Alright well work calls again. Keep up the good work I'll be back tonight.
[04:58] <jaddi27> ok. we will let you know how we go
[04:59] <head_victim_defy> No worries I might try to sneak in a couple of thousand strings tonight
[05:28] <benonsoftware> Hi all
[05:28] <jaddi27> hi
[05:29] <benonsoftware> Is the Jam still on?
[05:29] <jaddi27> yes, it is still on
[05:29] <benonsoftware> Yay
[05:29] <jaddi27> we are just working through the packages translating them
[05:29] <benonsoftware> ok
[06:02] <sagaci> thanks ben, jaddi27 and head_victim for poking in.. I only did about 1000 strings so hopefully we'll be down around 125 or 126000 by the end of the day
[06:02] <jaddi27> sounds good
[06:03] <jaddi27> i have been working on gcc-4.6
[06:03] <jaddi27> got about 1000 strings done in that package now
[06:04] <sagaci> goodo, I just worked on getting the last page done
[06:06] <jaddi27> It is a bit hard to reduce the number at the moment, because the overall number of strings to be translated keeps fluctuating
[06:06] <jaddi27> but i think today's effort should have made a dent in the remaining number
[06:07] <sagaci> it's should be fine, most freezes are over
[06:08] <jaddi27> that is true. I had been watching the number a couple of weeks ago, so that is probably when i saw it happening
[07:00] <sagaci> jaddi27: so is there any other way to sort the translation templates, like it's got batch=75&direction=backwards&start=1500, etc... any way to find out if there's other options?
[07:14] <jaddi27> i am not aware of other options, but there may be some documentation somewhere on what it can do
[07:15] <jaddi27> or if the entire launchpad translations code repository is available for viewing, i could look at it and see what is available
[07:17] <sagaci> i tried branching the launchpad itself codebase but skimming through it I couldn't find anything that stuck out, but ymmv
[08:17] <sagaci> jaddi27, good job, guestimating you did around 3000 strings today
[10:55] <sagaci> anyone have a script handy for the statistics of this channel over the past 6 months or so?


[00:37] <JoeMaverickSett> micahg, didn't see your message till now, was sleeping. thanks for the tip, i'll try it out.
[08:16] <SuSEno> hi, can I get some help about firefox installation on my ubuntu?
[08:16] <SuSEno> I am installing firefox daily updates from ppa  and I wanna back to firefox stable channel
[08:17] <SuSEno> how to do that?
[08:18] <micahg> SuSEno: comment out the daily ppa in your sources
[08:18] <micahg> SuSEno: then downgrade to the stable version
[08:18] <SuSEno> you mean on /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[08:18] <micahg> SuSEno: if that's where you put it
[08:20] <SuSEno> previously I added this two lines in /etc/apt/sources.list:
[08:20] <SuSEno> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main
[08:20] <SuSEno> and this:
[08:20] <SuSEno> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main
[08:20] <micahg> SuSEno: yeah, so comment out, then update and downgrade to the version in -updates
[08:21] <SuSEno> okay
[08:21] <SuSEno> I comment it then add this new two lines
[08:21] <SuSEno> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/mozillateam/firefox-stable/ubuntu jaunty main deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/mozillateam/firefox-stable/ubuntu jaunty main
[08:22] <SuSEno> but when I do updates using Updates Manager there's no downgrade option
[08:22] <SuSEno> -_-"
[08:22]  * micahg doesn't know how to do it with software center or synaptic, I use aptitude
[08:23] <SuSEno> :)
[08:23] <SuSEno> it's okay. I'll try
[08:23] <micahg> SuSEno: you can also do sudo apt-get install firefox=3.6.7+build2+nobinonly-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[08:24] <SuSEno> seems that Firefox 3.6.9pre has a bug on Facebook page
[08:25] <SuSEno> did you notice it?
[08:25]  * micahg doesn't use facebook
[08:25] <SuSEno> =.=
[08:28] <micahg> SuSEno: you can report the bug if you want, there shouldn't be big regressions in the dailies
[08:29] <SuSEno> yeah, it's the daily builds. No wonder if there's a bug
[08:30] <SuSEno> I believe they already know  ;)
[08:30] <micahg> SuSEno: if you're sure
[08:30] <SuSEno> I think it's a little bug
[08:31] <SuSEno> the chat box on facebook doesn't appear in this firefox daily builds
[08:32] <SuSEno> css error or somewhat when I read the Error message
[08:32] <fishor> hallo all, are here any ff packagers? are there any reasons to pack xulrunner without yusm?
[08:32] <fishor> s/yusm/yasm
[08:34] <fishor> it has a big performance difference.
[08:40] <micahg> fishor: I'm not exactly sure what that is, can you file a bug against xulrunner-1.9.2 explaining the benefits?  or wait a couple hours for chrisccoulson and ask him :)
[08:42] <fishor> i didn't tested 1.9.2, is is more about 2.0 so i didn't found place to fill the bag in
[08:43] <SuSEno> hey micahg,  I found there's aptitude on my Ubuntu
[08:43] <SuSEno> can you explain me how to use aptitude?
[08:43] <SuSEno> to downgrade my firefox
[08:43] <fishor> SuSEno: just start aptitude
[08:43] <fishor> for serach use "/"
[08:43] <SuSEno> yup
[08:43] <fishor> find firefox
[08:44] <SuSEno> Okay
[08:44] <fishor> press enter
[08:44] <SuSEno> yup
[08:44] <SuSEno> it's found
[08:44] <SuSEno> and then...?
[08:44] <fishor> enter
[08:44] <fishor> there is description and ...
[08:44] <SuSEno> Description: bla bla bla
[08:44] <SuSEno> Priority bla bla bla
[08:45] <fishor> git to the bottom
[08:45] <fishor> there is differen available vesrions of package
[08:45] <SuSEno> 3.6.9~hg20100723....
[08:46] <fishor> any other?
[08:46] <SuSEno> 3.6.7+build2
[08:46] <SuSEno> 3.0.8-nobinonly
[08:46] <fishor> so you need some thing more stable ?
[08:46] <SuSEno> yes
[08:46] <fishor> tacke this 3.6.7+build2
[08:46] <SuSEno> but not too old
[08:47] <SuSEno> maybe the 3.6.8 that was officially released 3 days abo
[08:47] <fishor> just press "+"
[08:47] <micahg> fishor: I think the answer is I need to modify our packaging
[08:47] <SuSEno> maybe the 3.6.8 that was officially released 3 days ago
[08:48] <micahg> SuSEno: 3.6.8 is in firefox-stable, but won't be in -updates until later today most likely
[08:48] <micahg> fishor: re yasm, did you just add the build-dep or were there patches needed?
[08:48] <SuSEno> i see
[08:48] <SuSEno> so 3.6.7 seems good idea
[08:49] <fishor> micahg: no patches needed
[08:49] <fishor> i just installed yasm to the sustem and config used it
[08:49] <SuSEno> okay i press "+"
[08:49] <micahg> fishor: k, can you just send me an email then, my nick at ubuntu dot com, and I'll try to update it this week, upstream is building with it
[08:49] <fishor> SuSEno: then "g" to apply changes
[08:49] <SuSEno> +30.2 MB
[08:49] <SuSEno> -30.6 MB
[08:50] <SuSEno> Some packages were broken and have been fixed:
[08:50] <SuSEno> Keep the following packages at their current version
[08:50]  * micahg needs to go to sleep, will be back in about 7 hrs
[08:51] <SuSEno> firefox [3.6.9 hg ..... ]
[08:51] <SuSEno> Score is 120
[08:51] <SuSEno> thanks for your help micahg
[08:51] <SuSEno> you are a great firefox hacker
[08:51] <SuSEno> ;)
[08:51] <micahg> SuSEno: np
[09:11] <fishor> SuSEno: so, do you get it?
[09:12] <SuSEno> yep
[09:12] <fishor> great
[09:13] <SuSEno> it's not successful with aptitude. I don't know why, maybe I ommit sudo command
[09:13] <SuSEno> I manage to use graphical way: Synaptic
[09:14] <SuSEno> and now it's changing back to 3.6.7  ;)
[09:14] <fishor> ok, by aptitude you do not need sudo. after you press two times "g" you'll be transferred to root
[09:14] <fishor> :D
[09:14] <SuSEno> by the way, how many package manager ubuntu have?
[09:19] <fishor> there is core managment and different frontend
[09:19] <fishor> dpkg work direct with packages, apt work with package sources
[09:19] <fishor> all other like aptitide, synaptic, dselect are just frontends
[09:20] <SuSEno> i see
[09:20] <SuSEno> I usually use Synaptic
[09:20] <SuSEno> never get rid with dpkg or apt
[09:22] <SuSEno> it's 1 MB remaining  (Synaptic is still downloading 3.6.7 firefox version)
[09:22] <SuSEno> damn my slow internet connection
[09:22] <SuSEno> :(
[09:30] <SuSEno> it works
[09:31] <SuSEno> Firefox 3.6.7 display facebook chat box correctly
[09:31] <SuSEno> :-)
[09:31] <SuSEno> I'm gonna back to works
[09:34] <SuSEno> thanks for all your help
[11:16] <fishor> hallo all, do any body know how to find what is some memory adress?
[11:18] <fishor> for example i use perf to trace usage for some app. and get some adresses without library or function name
[11:19] <fishor> so i wont to find what is loaded at address 0x007f746bdf38a1
[11:19] <fishor> any tips?
[14:50] <tbsdy> hi folks... I was wondering if there is an easy way of reporting a launchpad bug upstream to the mozilla folks
[14:50] <tbsdy> problem is that I can reproduce the problem, but only if I restore my old profile, which I've kept a backup of
[14:51] <tbsdy> basically sqlite keeps crashing firefox 3.6.7 every 3 minutes or so
[14:51] <tbsdy> Bug is at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/610039
[14:51] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 610039 in firefox (Ubuntu) "firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in sqlite3VdbeExec() (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Medium,New]
[14:52] <tbsdy> obviously I'm not particularly crash hot on providing my mozilla profile to just anyone :-)
[14:52] <tbsdy> but I'm fairly certain that this would be reproducible on demand if a dev loaded up the profile
[14:53] <gavin> you can file a bug at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Toolkit&component=Storage
[14:53] <tbsdy> thanks... is there anything in that ubuntu bug I should be moving over to the mozilla bug tracking system?
[14:54] <gavin> the stack traces, I suppose
[14:56] <tbsdy> cheers - will do
[14:56] <tbsdy> thanks gavin
[14:57] <tbsdy> sorry, not particularly experienced with this sort of thing!
[14:57] <JoeMaverickSett> tbsdy, no worries. you doing good anyways. ;) cheers!
[14:58] <tbsdy> thanks JoeMaverickSett :-)
[14:59] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: hey. so I tested ff/xul on i386 and they seem good. I plan to test amd64 and then publish. are you satisfied with those builds?
[15:00] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, i've not had a chance to test them properly yet (i've been trying to debug a build failure on maverick atm)
[15:04] <tbsdy> out of interest... what's the difference between a stacktrace and a thread stacktrace?
[15:09] <micahg> hi chrisccoulson
[15:09] <chrisccoulson> hi micahg
[15:10] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I have the enigmail SRU ready, I"ll upload the debdiff now
[15:10] <chrisccoulson> micahg - awesome, thanks
[15:11] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, i'm just going through my bug-mail, and there's a couple of people experiencing the file conflict with firefox-2 on karmic that we had in hardy
[15:11] <micahg> I saw that too, that's weird, I thought that package was removed in intrepid
[15:11] <chrisccoulson> i didn't think we'd see that, as firefox-2 isn't shipped in those releases, but users still have the version from hardy installed
[15:11] <tbsdy> OK reported to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=581946
[15:11] <ubot2`> Mozilla bug 581946 in Storage "Firefox segfaulting every 3 minutes or so at sqlite3VdbeExec in sqlite3.c:54321" [Major,Unconfirmed]
[15:11] <tbsdy> thanks all for your help
[15:12] <chrisccoulson> micahg - it was removed, but there's nothing forcing the removal during the upgrade
[15:12] <chrisccoulson> (it seems that we only have the conflicts/replaces in lucid)
[15:13] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yeah, I guess it wasn't cleaned up in Intrepid
[15:13]  * micahg wonders why it's not seen on Jaunty
[15:14] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure. i suspect that the karmic user is just someone that upgraded from hardy at some point and they used firefox-2 there
[15:19] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: looking at the vuln, we need to move on this fix in 3.6.8. since those are already regressed and the current binaries are tested, we should publish
[15:20] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: we can fix the firefox-2 in a separate upload for karmic if you want
[15:20] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - i agree, we should probably publish those now
[15:20] <chrisccoulson> i'm not too concerned about the firefox-2 issue, as the number of users experiencing it will be pretty minimal
[15:20] <chrisccoulson> i can fix that one another day
[15:22] <micahg> jdstrand: if you get a chance, can you publish TB 3.0.6 as well
[15:22] <micahg> or delegate :)
[15:26] <jdstrand_> chrisccoulson: sorry, my connection is flaky. was there more after your agreement that 3.6.8 should go out?
[15:27] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand_, there wasn't
[15:28] <jdstrand_> chrisccoulson: ok. I tested i386 heavily. I'm going to make sure the amd64 are working and publish
[15:28] <jdstrand_> chrisccoulson: you ok with that?
[15:28] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand_, yeah, sounds good. i was just going to upgrade my lucid amd64 desktop to 3.6.8 too (unless my GF has already done it)
[15:29] <micahg> (09:22:20 AM) micahg: jdstrand: if you get a chance, can you publish TB 3.0.6 as well
[15:29] <micahg> (09:22:31 AM) micahg: or delegate :)
[15:29] <jdstrand_> mdeslaur: are you working today?
[15:30] <mdeslaur> jdstrand_: yeah
[15:30] <jdstrand_> mdeslaur: hi btw :)
[15:30] <mdeslaur> jdstrand_: kind of...I'm mostly getting my mini 9 ready for tomorrow
[15:30] <jdstrand_> mdeslaur: would you be able to publish the tbird update for lucid? ^ I am working on ff this (and I'm technically off)
[15:31] <jdstrand_> mdeslaur: if not, we can maybe ask kees, but he is working on an embargoed item today iirc
[15:31] <mdeslaur> jdstrand_: yes, sure!
[15:31] <jdstrand_> mdeslaur: cool. big thanks!
[15:31] <micahg> thanks mdeslaur, jdstrand
[15:31] <jdstrand_> sure
[15:32] <mdeslaur> micahg: so, that's tbird 3.0.6 on what releases?
[15:32] <micahg> mdeslaur: just Lucid ATM
[15:33] <mdeslaur> micahg: ok, cool
[15:34] <micahg> chrisccoulson: should I just assign you the enigmail bug?
[15:35]  * micahg will also add use case
[15:38] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, can do. i will upload that later on
[15:38] <micahg> chrisccoulson: thanks
[15:40] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand_ / mdeslaur - how were your journey's back from prague?
[15:40] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: not bad, although they cancelled my last flight so I had to catch one an hour later
[15:40] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: you?
[15:40] <jdstrand_> chrisccoulson: I mssed my last flight, but got on a 3 hour later one
[15:40] <chrisccoulson> mine was pretty easy - most of my journey time was spent in amsterdam airport waiting for my connecting flight
[15:41] <jdstrand_> long day though
[15:41] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i can imagine ;)
[15:41] <jdstrand_> chrisccoulson: it'll be your turn next time :)
[15:41] <chrisccoulson> lol
[15:41] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'm looking forward to that ;)
[15:41] <jdstrand_> heh
[15:42] <jdstrand_> as much as I'd like to, it is hard to complain when everyone is in the same boat
[15:43] <jdstrand_> chrisccoulson: is yelp supposed to pull in xul192, or just be ok if it is installed?
[15:43] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand_ - it should pull in 1.9 on jaunty and 1.9.1 on karmic
[15:44] <chrisccoulson> (and should still work if 1.9.2 is installed)
[15:44] <jdstrand_> k
[15:44] <micahg> chrisccoulson: did you see my email about xul191?
[15:44] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i did. i got that updated to <IP_ADDRESS> a while ago in the PPA, and then never got round to <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:45] <chrisccoulson> we should fix that too, but the important applications are all using 1.9.2 now anyway
[15:45] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ok, well, there will probably be a release sometime next week after blackhat, so maybe we should just wait until <IP_ADDRESS>?
[15:46] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that sounds ok
[16:03] <jdstrand_> chrisccoulson: btw, regarding firefox-2, I'm betting jaunty users that had firefox-2 upgraded to karmic and farther
[16:51] <micahg> fta: is there any reason not to delete xul193 and ff37 from the daily PPA?
[16:52] <micahg> fta_: is there any reason not to delete xul193 and ff37 from the daily PPA?
[16:53] <fta_> micahg, i don't think so
[16:53] <micahg> fta_: k, thanks
[17:03] <jdstrand_> chrisccoulson: ok, ff368 is pushed. I will be going offline once I get the USN text
[17:03] <micahg> jdstrand_: xulrunner also?
[17:03] <jdstrand_> micahg: yes
[17:04] <jdstrand_> <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:04] <micahg> jdstrand_: awesome, thanks, enjoy your vacation and the conference
[17:04] <jdstrand_> thanks!
[17:04] <micahg> jdstrand_: just out of curiosity, are there any security people available in case something goes crazy?
[17:04] <micahg> while you're all at blackhat I mean
[17:05] <jdstrand_> micahg: yes, I should be online. sbeattie won't be there and is working all next week, so you can talk to him directly, and he can be sure to get our attention
[17:05] <jdstrand_> micahg: well, I'll be online on and off
[17:05] <micahg> jdstrand_: k, well, as long as there's someone, shouldn't be a problem though
[17:06] <jdstrand_> micahg: in the past, if something affects mozilla, then upstream scrambles and we publish on monday or tuesday
[17:06] <gnomefreak> i dont know how to use pidgin for IRC :(
[17:06] <micahg> no expecting any more releases until after blackhat (then expecting a really fast release :) )
[17:06] <jdstrand_> yes
[17:06] <micahg> gnomefreak: why?  wfm
[17:06] <jdstrand_> micahg: so, I'll be checking in, etc. if we need to publish sooner, I can test and publish as needed
[17:07] <gnomefreak> micahg: it has 3 open tabs i am scared to close. one is nickserv one is frig(server) and channelserv
[17:07] <micahg> jdstrand_: ok, the only thing I know of that's planned is FF4.0B2
[17:07] <jdstrand_> micahg: so you guys just get the fixes into the ppa as mozilla whenever you get them (like normal)
[17:07] <micahg> gnomefreak: you can close them all :)
[17:07] <jdstrand_> s/as mozilla//
[17:07] <gnomefreak> micahg: thanks
[17:07] <micahg> gnomefreak: actually, ChanServ might not
[17:07]  * micahg doesn't get that
[17:10] <gnomefreak> i miss irssi
[17:11] <gnomefreak> maybe ill work on installing Maverick in a day or 2
[17:17] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand_ thanks :)
[17:20] <gnomefreak> am i oped?
[17:20] <gnomefreak> hmmmm
[17:20] <micahg> gnomefreak: no
[17:21] <asac> chrisccoulson: Bug 606728 ... can you check that this lands as SRU in lucid and maybe prepatch the maverick package with that commit for maverick until i make a maverick ubufox release?
[17:21] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 606728 in ubufox (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "about:home always gets redirected to http://start.ubuntu.com/10.04/Google/ (affects: 1) (heat: 563)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/606728
[17:21] <micahg> gnomefreak: you can set user modes on connect
[17:21] <gnomefreak> oh well ill screw with it in a day or 2,
[17:22] <chrisccoulson> asac - sure, no problem
[17:23] <gnomefreak> you can close chansev tab. i now only have the 2 channels i am in
[17:24]  * gnomefreak gone
[18:33] <nxvl> chrisccoulson: did you know of a ppa or something to try FF 4.0 beta?
[18:39] <micahg> nxvl: we have the daily builds at the moment, in the next few weeks, we'll prepare a beta ppa
[18:39] <nxvl> micahg: oh, so there is still no beta .deb?
[18:39] <micahg> nxvl: not ATM
[18:39] <nxvl> ok, thanks
[21:01] <micahg> gavin: is LGPL code prohibited in Firefox?
[21:03] <micahg> gavin: nevermind, I found mozilla 581773
[21:03] <ubot2`> Mozilla bug 581773 in Video/Audio "Consider using ffvp8 for WebM videos" [Enhancement,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=581773


[09:52] <mlpug> Ardour and Rosegarden solve somewhat same problem, right? Is there some straightforward criteria for what I should use Rosegarden and when Ardour?
[12:31] <virtu> good morning
[17:07] <holstein> mlpug: for now
[17:07] <holstein> ardour doesnt have MIDI
[17:07] <holstein> AFAIK rosegarden will record audio
[17:08] <holstein> but most prefer the features in ardour for recording audio
[17:08] <holstein> and, ardour 3 will have MIDI :)
[17:08] <holstein> quite soon
[17:28] <alberto_> hello
[17:47] <mlpug> holstein, tnx. I also found "Rosegarden versus ardour" discussion thread in linuxmucisians.com
[17:53] <alberto_> Hello
[17:53] <alberto_> Does anybody know anything about VST plug-ins with dssi-vst?
[17:57] <anna> hello
[17:57] <anna> could someone tell me a good program to convert files from .flv to .mkv?
[18:33] <mlpug> One more to the queue of unanswered questions: I have Rosegarden, zynaddsubfx and fluidsynth running and I can playback Rosegarden tracks. What the easiest way for me to extract one track (or all) from Rosegarden to a file e.g. wav or mp3?
[18:33] <mlpug> I dont see "export as wav" or anything like that
[19:13] <mlpug> and the next one: when I first time launched zynaddsubfx I selected "beginner". Now I realise that all the cool stuff is on the "advanced" mode. How can I switch to advanced mode?
[19:22] <mlpug> FYI: i guess that I found answers to my questions: zynaddsubfx UI can be changes by altering value of user_interface_mode in .zynaddsubfxXML.cfg
[19:23] <mlpug> and that more advanced UI seems to have record button so it probably solves my other problem
[20:55] <alberto_> Hello
[21:03] <alberto_> I said hello
[21:06] <alberto_> Ok, you're all very kind.
[22:34] <bugra> hello everybody
[22:35] <bugra> i made a mistake by installing ubuntustudio with a dvd or i should have upgraded. how can i uninstall it?
[22:43] <virtu> http://www.youtube.com/vkgoeswild#p/u/12/Be-loLSUWT0 holly nice
[22:48] <bugra> can anyone help me?????
[22:48] <bugra> :(


[10:21] <rmg51> Morning
[13:09] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[20:32] <ChinnoDog> I don't particularly like Quicken nor do I like having to run it in a VM but it gets the job done.
[20:32] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: At the rate we are going I don't think there will be any snow this year.
[20:42] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: march
[20:42] <jedijf> cold feb - snow march
[20:42] <jedijf> us at least - you're still south of us,right? so you may escape totally
[20:45] <ChinnoDog> I plan to escape totally.


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