[09:10] <topyli> dealmo720: can't kill the undead
[09:10] <topyli> dealmo720: it'll hang around until you boot
[09:10] <stuNNed> what .deb installs the initrd file in /boot?
[09:10] <Arnia> topyli: Semantic web, natural language understanding, cognitive semantics, information modelling
[09:11] <CarlK> Burgundavia - wb...  http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/Mar30/1112165959/p1010001.jpg
[09:11] <jldugger> topyli, are you serious?
[09:11] <topyli> Arnia: ah. nerdy stuff
[09:11] <Burgundavia> Arnia: from a helpdesk/it admin perspective, I really like apt and the centralized repos
[09:11] <topyli> jldugger: yes. you know a way?
[09:11] <jldugger> i would have thought kill -9 as super user would fix anything
[09:11] <FlimFlamMan> well, i can recommend against apt-get upgrade on ubuntu livecd - i'm noobuntu
[09:11] <CarlK> the dir has the floppy made by http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/Mar30/1112165959/cpl.sh
[09:12] <bruno> hello
[09:12] <topyli> Arnia: i wish the web was more sane though :)
[09:12] <niran> FlimFlamMan, did you try to upgrade the whole thing?
[09:12] <FlimFlamMan> niran, yeah
[09:12] <Zevin> when i'm installing the base stuff for wine, it trys to install and update IE6, but it fails. any tips?
[09:12] <Burgundavia> CarlK: I forget, did the install take eventually?
[09:12] <niran> p.s.: i just figured out you could tab complete nicks in xchat. awesome.
[09:12] <topyli> Arnia: if it went semantic, it prolly would be _less_ sane but more intuitive :)
[09:12] <FlimFlamMan> niran, i'm back on debian-sarge  atm
[09:12] <niran> FlimFlamMan, yeah i tried that once. bad stuff
[09:12] <bruno> guys, can you give me a tip?
[09:12] <niran> FlimFlamMan, only upgrade individual packages
[09:12] <Arnia> topyli: I enjoy my research... nothing more satisfying than describing an O(n^4) parser for psychologically feasible syntax model that produces ontological descriptions in OWL for use on an information system reflecting information from Gnome applications ;)
[09:12] <topyli> jldugger: kill -9 won't kill zombies
[09:13] <Burgundavia> bruno: ?
[09:13] <FlimFlamMan> niran, no big deal - just reboot - but i gotta yank the cord
[09:13] <jldugger> wierd
[09:13] <bruno> after I install something through synaptic where does it go?
[09:13] <Flonne> Zevin, look up Microsoft's Genuine Advantage program. That may be responsible.
[09:13] <Burgundavia> bruno: it goes to various different places
[09:13] <jldugger> topyli, why not?
[09:13] <topyli> Arnia: hehe. i see what you mean. NOT :)
[09:13] <bruno> I dont know how to run somethings...
[09:13] <Flonne> It's basically something to stop WINE from accessing updates.
[09:13] <Burgundavia> bruno: unlike say windows or macos x, ubuntu uses a db to track files
[09:13] <niran> bruno: look in the menu
[09:13] <topyli> jldugger: they're not live processes. zombies eat no resources except room in the ps and top listings
[09:13] <bruno> there is no icon for them..
[09:13] <Zevin> nice
[09:14] <niran> bruno, which program are you trying to run?
[09:14] <Zevin> any way around it?
[09:14] <Burgundavia> bruno: most programs get installed into /usr/bin
[09:14] <asubedi> has anyone had any luck getting evolution to filter spam?
[09:14] <bruno> something stream
[09:14] <Flonne> If the update can be found on its own, you can probably install it "offline".
[09:14] <niran> what's the name of th epackage?
[09:14] <Burgundavia> bruno: gstreamer?
[09:14] <bruno> I donwloaded a bunch of things to
[09:14] <bruno> yep
[09:14] <Zevin> right
[09:14] <Zevin> thanks
[09:14] <jldugger> topyli, apparently you can try killing the parent process, provided it wasn't init
[09:14] <bruno> I want something to whatch mpeg and play dvds
[09:14] <Burgundavia> bruno: that just allows totem or rhythmbox to play mp3s
[09:15] <bruno> does that help:
[09:15] <FlimFlamMan> bruno, maybe you need to log out and back in to see it in the menus?
[09:15] <niran> bruno, you don't run gstreamer
[09:15] <Burgundavia> bruno: it is not an application by itself
[09:15] <bruno> oh.. ok
[09:15] <saik0> bruno: Totem is a gstreamer frontend
[09:15] <niran> run totem
[09:15] <Arnia> topyli: My dissertation (which I should be writing now) is on automatically reflecting from OO to RDF information models and back. My doctorate is probably going to be on ontological modelling of temporal processes. On the side I'm working on components needed for practical natural language understanding. I'm insane, but I like it like that :)
[09:15] <CarlK> Burgundavia - not according to http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/Mar30/1112165959/p1010001.jpg
[09:15] <FlimFlamMan> totem is pretty nice
[09:15] <Burgundavia> CarlK: hmm
[09:15] <bruno> do you know something I can download to watch dvds and play mpegs, avis, divx etc?
[09:15] <topyli> jldugger: perhaps. bearded unix folks tend to say though that zombies are forever
[09:15] <jldugger> ok
[09:15] <aleitner> anybody seen an error like this lately: "relocation error: epiphany: undefined symbol: gtk_window_set_default_icon_name"?
[09:15] <FlimFlamMan> bruno: totem
[09:16] <Flonne> bruno, several people here would suggest Video LAN Client (vlc).
[09:16] <jldugger> i didnt realize the metaphor was so complete
[09:16] <aleitner> i get this one and similar ones after my last upgrade when trying to start apps like epiphany or f-spot
[09:16] <bruno> do I look for that in synaptic?
[09:16] <Burgundavia> bruno: totem is already installed
[09:16] <jldugger> totem totally fucks up as a media player for me
[09:16] <Flonne> Totem should be installed already.
[09:16] <jldugger> i prefer xine
[09:16] <bruno> yep.. but I cant play any of the files...
[09:16] <saik0> bruno, gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
[09:16] <bruno> I get error message
[09:17] <Burgundavia> bruno: applications--?sound & video --> totem movie player
[09:17] <FlimFlamMan> jldugger, i was surprised to see totem play back realmedia streams from c-span.org where everything else failed
[09:17] <jldugger> i donno what it is, but after the first file, totem is done until i restart it
[09:17] <ren0> Hello I am having trouble with gnupg I get error message: 8igpg: no writable public keyring found: eof
[09:17] <ren0> Key generation failed: eof
[09:17] <xuesheng> hi there
[09:17] <ren0> Anybody know why?
[09:17] <topyli> Arnia: my dissertation (which i should be writing now) is about free software programmers. behaverioral stuff, activity theory, work research
[09:17] <FlimFlamMan> ni hau
[09:17] <jldugger> FlimFlamMan, maybe its something about warty vs hoary
[09:17] <niran> jldugger, if you install totem-xine, you get xine playback with totem ui
[09:17] <FlimFlamMan> jldugger, actually i was on sid
[09:18] <jldugger> ah, good old sid
[09:18] <jldugger> is there an ubuntu version of sid?
[09:18] <xuesheng> talking about totem.... is anyone able to play anything with totem-gstreamer? I mean, I only would like to play XVID files....
[09:18] <niran> my problem with totem-gstreamer is that gstreamer outputs to esd. i think that's what causes the lag in the video, because totem-xine uses oss
[09:18] <Arnia> topyli: I prefer mine ;)
[09:18] <niran> does totem-gstreamer nog lag for anyone?
[09:19] <Arnia> niran: Can't you change that in your preferences? (which sink it uses)
[09:19] <saik0> xuesheng, xvid, divx, and many others are included in gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
[09:19] <jldugger> oh, that's another good one! gstreamer preferences will crash on me
[09:19] <niran> yeah, but i like gstreamer for my audio
[09:19] <xuesheng> alsa, when running the root terminal, I always get that annoying dialog telling me it failed to execute (while it runs perfectly actually....)
[09:19] <xuesheng> saik0: really? cool... thanks dude
[09:19] <topyli> Arnia: yeah, your stuff is about something less complex than humans. you can actually study it =)
[09:19] <e_machinist> Does ubuntu come default with Java installed? Or do I need to install it seperately?
[09:20] <saik0> xuesheng, yep enjoy!
[09:20] <xuesheng> e_machinist: you need to install it
[09:20] <Flonne> You need to install it seperately, e_machinist.
[09:20] <syn1> e_machinist: doesnt, goto the ubuntuguide.org
[09:20] <FlimFlamMan> jldugger, i too have had crashiness with gstreamer in the past, but just using totem has never caused me problems
[09:20] <niran> e_machinist, ubuntuguide.org for instructions
[09:20] <Flonne> Java is not Free software.
[09:20] <ren0> e_machinist, www.ubuntuguide.org has good instructions.
[09:20] <Arnia> niran: No, I mean you can change the sink that gstreamer uses from ESD to OSS I think
[09:20] <Arnia> If you have an OSS sink...
[09:20] <syn1> e_machinist: what kinda e machine are you on? im on one as well : )
[09:21] <e_machinist> syn1: I'm not on an emachine.
[09:21] <e_machinist> I just think the name e_machinist is cool soundin' haha.
[09:21] <Arnia> topyli: I dunno... my main research interests require me to study how the brain (functionally, rather than implementationally) conceptualises
[09:21] <e_machinist> I build all my compies.
[09:21] <CarlK> e_machinist - I am 3/4 on one, but it just never finishes the install
[09:21] <syn1> e_machinist: crafty little nick ya got there than :p
[09:21] <syn1> then*
[09:22] <topyli> Arnia: let me know when you find out :)
[09:22] <e_machinist> syn1: I created the nick when I had an emachine 5 years ago. I have since then built all my compies.
[09:22] <CarlK> e_machinist - it is a celeron 400
[09:22] <niran> Arnia, for individual programs or for everything?
[09:22] <jldugger> niran: totem-xine conflicts with ubuntu-desktop....
[09:22] <e_machinist> Who has a celeron 400?
[09:22] <syn1> e_machinist: i see.
[09:22] <CarlK> I do
[09:22] <niran> jldugger, yeah, make sure you reinstall it when you upgrade to hoary
[09:22] <niran> jldugger, in hoary it doesnt conflict anymore
[09:23] <e_machinist> oh, I see.... 400MHz huh? You are a brave person.
[09:23] <jldugger> i see
[09:23] <niran> Arnia, i meant that i like ESD for my audio
[09:23] <CarlK> e_machinist - just for testing, not for anything real
[09:23] <niran> Arnia, basically, i like ESD whenever i can use it so i can have multiple sound sources
[09:23] <Flonne> e_machinist, is it bravery or stupidity to Gentoo a 486?
[09:23] <Arnia> topyli: Its not as hard as people think... just have to forget dualism and go back to the data. Everyone wants there to be a mystery about the brain and they get scared by it.
[09:23] <klex_> i have installed firefox-locales in my language, but firefox still uses english....???
[09:23] <Arnia> niran: The setting is for all gstreamer
[09:23] <klex_> something special i have to do?
[09:23] <CarlK> Flonne - Generally Too much hassel ;)
[09:24] <Flonne> =P
[09:24] <Flonne> It was LFS before that.
[09:24] <FlimFlamMan> i really hate sites that direct you to their home page instead of showing a 404
[09:24] <syn1> CarlK: i had an emachine 600Mhz celeron that I threw away about a week ago.. thinking it was useless.. (then I find Ubuntu)
[09:24] <jldugger> anyone know if lm-sensors supports nforce3 mobos?
[09:24] <jldugger> i'd really like to tune down the fans and all
[09:25] <Arnia> topyli: Heh. Sentience isn't that special either
[09:26] <niran> Arnia, yeah, i don't want to change all of gstreamer, just totem. totem-xine looks like the only option
[09:26] <CarlK> syn1 - yeah, ubuntu does pretty good on a P2-300 even
[09:26] <e_machinist> Hmm.. I need some music here.
[09:26] <Zevin> ubuntu rocks on my PenPro 200:)
[09:27] <topyli> ahh, pentium pro. the good chip
[09:27] <Zevin> i swear
[09:28] <klex_> how do i get firefox with other language than english?
[09:28] <Flonne> Was that line the one plagued with FDIV errors?
[09:28] <Zevin> 512kb l2 cache, it screens, even compared to like a 900mhz celeron
[09:28] <Zevin> *screems
[09:28] <topyli> klex_: the language packs are in separate packages
[09:28] <Flonne> The PPro had a half-meg cache?!
[09:29] <klex_> topyli: firefox-locales-nb for example?
[09:29] <topyli> klex_: i guess. i haven't installed any
[09:29] <FlimFlamMan> ubuntu will wait for OOo2 to get into debian before offering it?
[09:29] <klex_> topyli: installed it but firefox are still english...
[09:29] <niran> FlimFlamMan, ooo2 is in hoary
[09:29] <niran> FlimFlamMan, universe at least
[09:29] <saik0> FlimFlamMan, it's in universe in hoary
[09:29] <topyli> FlimFlamMan: we'll see if ooo2 is releasable by free software vendors at all :)
[09:29] <klex_> niran: what???
[09:30] <FlimFlamMan> yeah
[09:30] <Flonne> Is Sun playing with the license?
[09:30] <FlimFlamMan> so if i'm using 5.0.4 livecd, is ooo2 in there?
[09:30] <jldugger> no
[09:30] <topyli> klex_: i guess you can select it somewhere. or perhaps it tries to follow your gnome settings
[09:30] <FlimFlamMan> Flonne, java dependencies
[09:30] <jldugger> something about java
[09:30] <niran> Flonne, no, but many new features rely on java
[09:30] <niran> ubuntu can't ship java
[09:30] <Flonne> It actually depends on Java? Icky. :(
[09:30] <FlimFlamMan> some features,
[09:30] <niran> ergo, no extra features for us
[09:30] <FlimFlamMan> but the new database app requries it
[09:30] <FlimFlamMan> suckiness
[09:31] <topyli> Flonne: the database, and other new stuff
[09:31] <e_machinist> The nice thing about linux of any flavor is that once you have spent 3 hours making something work you usually never forget in the future.
[09:31] <e_machinist> haha.
[09:31] <FlimFlamMan> screw java, long live python
[09:31] <xuesheng> *no-one* forces *no-one* to use OO
[09:31] <jldugger> consider it a challenge for the gcj team to rise to ;)
[09:31] <Flonne> That means I'd have to contaminate my network with non-free software. :(
[09:31] <Flonne> (Assuming I actually wanted to use OOo2.)
[09:31] <jldugger> e_machinist, I wish.
[09:31] <klex_> topyli: i use "nb" in gnome....
[09:31] <xuesheng> jldugger: fedora already builds OO with gcj :p
[09:31] <topyli> jldugger: yes, they now have motivation again :)
[09:31] <niran> i switched to abiword a little bit before all the controversy anyway
[09:31] <FlimFlamMan> i don't use it except to open docs that people send me.  i have virtually no use for office suite
[09:31] <jldugger> i used to build my own kernels, now i can't
[09:32] <e_machinist> Poor jldugger, you can't remember things you have done?
[09:32] <niran> works well enough for me, and it's fast
[09:32] <jldugger> damn things dont work
[09:32] <Arnia> Well... OpenDocument is going to be a little bit of a deal breaker soon
[09:32] <niran> i'm kinda heading back towards pure gnome apps anyway
[09:32] <niran> i.e. epiphany
[09:32] <niran> xuesheng, not everything works in gcj ooo2 yet though
[09:32] <FlimFlamMan> they moved our users to exchange, now everyone's sending around those fucking html messages with image backgrounds
[09:32] <xuesheng> only gripe with epiphany:: when you open a window, the address bar won't get the focus... idiotic! :p
[09:33] <topyli> klex_: in firefox preferences -> general, you can select a language. doesn't that work?
[09:33] <niran> Arnia, abiword will probably support opendocument. it supports the current ooo files anyway
[09:33] <Flonne> Submit a patch, xuesheng.
[09:33] <klex_> topyli: no!
[09:33] <klex_> topyli: im a bit confused :)
[09:33] <jldugger> e_machinist, i usually wind up writing down instructions on how to perform an action. they wind up being borderline scripts
[09:33] <niran> xuesheng, it's a mozilla bug. the galeon devs found a way around it, so the next epiphany version should have the fix
[09:33] <topyli> klex_: perhaps that works only for web pages, not the interface :(
[09:34] <xuesheng> niran: that's nice, cause it's really a pretty browser
[09:34] <Arnia> niran: That will be good... its still not good enough as a word processor for my needs. But neither is OOo1 (OOo2 is getting close). I use latex for my stuff mostly
[09:34] <niran> xuesheng, yep. and it's scriptable with python
[09:34] <FlimFlamMan> ubuntu is the soft moss that covers the debian rock
[09:34] <klex_> topyli: maybe, but the locales have menus and shit, hm... i just have to keep trying hehe
[09:34] <topyli> klex_: happy hacking :)
[09:34] <xuesheng> niran: I can already hear firefox crying :p
[09:35] <CarlK> Burgundavia  - 1:40am... 2nd wind is about out... I need to get to bed 0 any ides or sould I reboot and start again?
[09:36] <FlimFlamMan> i notice firefox uses native gnome file/open dialog
[09:37] <niran> xuesheng, yep. the problem is it's not that easy to get to the inner workings of the browser through the python interfaces they exposed. i want to write a plugin that uses the currently selected text, but i haven't found a way yet
[09:37] <niran> xuesheng, i wrote a coral cache plugin though
[09:37] <topyli> FlimFlamMan: yes, if you have the gnome-support package instlled
[09:37] <FlimFlamMan> topyli, does that exist in debian-sarge?
[09:37] <topyli> FlimFlamMan: iirc, sid at least has it
[09:38] <FlimFlamMan> hmm, didn;t know that - going to look  :-)
[09:38] <FlimFlamMan> yay, it's there.  installing.
[09:38] <niran> FlimFlamMan, http://packages.debian.org/testing/web/mozilla-firefox-gnome-support
[09:39] <niran> packages.debian.org is your friend
[09:39] <Xira> Uh, flash isnt giving me sound
[09:39] <Xira> help?
[09:39] <niran> along with http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu
[09:39] <FlimFlamMan> doesn't seem to work though...
[09:40] <topyli> FlimFlamMan: it has to work too? some people ;)
[09:40] <FlimFlamMan> i know, i'm high maintenance
[09:40] <topyli> heh
[09:40] <FlimFlamMan> hmm, maybe restart
[09:40] <FlimFlamMan> bbl
[09:41] <CarlK> Burgundavia  - I am off to bed - Ill be back in about 7 hours
[09:41] <Burgundavia> CarlK_afk: ok
[09:42] <CarlK_afk> thnaks for looking - wish I cold stay up
[09:42] <saik0> will grub chanload windows if it's not on the furst GB of a drive?
[09:44] <Zevin> anyone here have wine working for them?
[09:45] <Zevin> heya dreamer3
[09:45] <saik0> My friend cant boot windows on his laptop and II'm certain his grub menu is setup right. If it's on hdc5 it should be (hd2,4) correct?
[09:45] <mlambie> is there a way to limit apt-get's bandwidth, without implementing full QoS?
[09:49] <Flonne> Yes, saik0.
[09:50] <saik0> I give up then, he's at the mercy of the boards
[09:50] <Flonne> What's the current entry?
[09:52] <saik0> Flonne, rootnoverify (hd2,4);makeacitve;chainloader +1
[09:52] <saik0> Flonne, without the typo of course
[09:53] <Flonne> That seems about right, though I don't recall root needing the noverify bit. (But it's been a long time since I've had to configure Windows.)
[09:53] <fwiffo> saik0, what error does he get?
[09:54] <synd> ugh
[09:54] <synd> does ANYONE have the D-Link DWL-510 802.11g PCI card working with ubuntu?
[09:54] <stuNNed> synd: ndiswrapper?
[09:55] <synd> stuNNed: tried that
[09:55] <saik0> fwiffo, error 12: invalid device requested
[09:56] <mpq> can anyone help with a hardware problem?
[09:56] <mpq> or just ubuntu stuff?
[09:56] <Flonne> Are you sure it's hdc5, saik0?
[09:56] <fwiffo> saik0, ok - that doesn't sound like the problem I once encountered
[09:57] <fwiffo> saik0, That was fixed by changing from CHS to LBA for the hdd's in the BIOS
[09:57] <saik0> Flonne, according to him he is positive it's hdc5
[09:57] <mpq> there's something wrong with my computer and I can't figure out what
[09:58] <spacey> mpq, did you do a memtest?
[09:58] <mpq> that's not the problem
[09:59] <saik0> I'm having a probelm where xorg takes 100% of my CPU when I do stuff like scroll down in firefox or move windows around, I found a relevant thread on the boards but it had no answer. Anybody got some concrete info on this?
[09:59] <mpq> I just replaced the motherboard but now the CPU fan doesn't work
[09:59] <Flonne> It might be similar to what fwiffo suggested -- the BIOS might be assigning different information than the kernel.
[09:59] <saik0> Flonne, It's a laptop, not sure if thats relevant at all
[09:59] <spacey> mpq, maybe its the psu. if it doesn't supply power properly
[09:59] <mpq> the what?
[09:59] <Flonne> A laptop which uses hdc by default?
[09:59] <spacey> power supply unit
[10:00] <Flonne> I had that problem with a desktop once...
[10:00] <mpq> it worked before
[10:00] <mpq> why would it not work now?
[10:00] <spacey> yeah well things break
[10:00] <Flonne> It might be worth trying to go with hd0 instead of hd2.
[10:00] <mpq> please don't tell me I need a new processor...
[10:00] <saik0> Flonne, yep tried that no dice
[10:00] <Flonne> It can't hurt anything.
[10:00] <mpq> I can't afford that
[10:01] <spacey> you sound like those people that call to isp helpdesk i work at :P its not my computer because it worked before. :P
[10:01] <spacey> mpq, i don't think its the processor
[10:01] <Flonne> saik0, I'd suggest LILO as a possible alternative, ugly and long-since deprecated though it may be.
[10:01] <saik0> Flonne, his ubuntu entries hda (hd0,0) for the initrd. is that normal if your device is hdc?
[10:01] <spacey> you should just swap hardware around till you find the cause. at least thats what i always do
[10:02] <spacey> but ofcourse then you need spare parts:)
[10:02] <synd> anyone know where i can get NETDLWL.INF
[10:02] <Flonne> Is it a single-partition installation or is there a separate partition for /boot?
[10:02] <subterrific> mpq: did you plug the fan in?
[10:02] <subterrific> ;)
[10:02] <mpq> yeah
[10:02] <Xira> help?
[10:02] <Xira> Uh, flash isnt giving me sound
[10:02] <Flonne> synd, follow the links from www.ndiswrapper.org -- they have a dirver index somewhere.
[10:02] <saik0> Flonne there is a /boot partition
[10:03] <ice_1963> in kde can i uninstall knaptic and install synaptic ??? =)
[10:03] <mpq> I have the feeling I might have broken it
[10:03] <mpq> I had a lot of trouble removing it from the old motherboard
[10:03] <Flonne> Do you happen to have the entire partition table, saik0? (PM)
[10:03] <saik0> Flonne, I was just thinking they would be on (hd2,0) if it was on hdc1
[10:03] <synd> Flonne: ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net you mean
[10:03] <Flonne> Yes, that.
[10:04] <Flonne> Sorry.
[10:04] <whybesane> How do I get the hoary live CD to mount a local NTFS5 partition (Windows XP is installed on the local HDD)
[10:05] <saik0> Flonne, sadly I dont, and he's not around
[10:05] <rython> hi all
[10:06] <Flonne> Well, if he can boot Ubuntu fine, and his laptop is normal, it shouldn't have two HDDs, so hdc should be impossible.
[10:07] <saik0> Flonne, yea I thought so too
[10:08] <revelater> how do i disable my second screen when i am not using it?
[10:09] <revelater> hello?
[10:10] <revelater> help please?
[10:10] <revelater> is everyone asleep?
[10:11] <Zevin> i dunno
[10:11] <dwa_> revelater : you press the off-button
[10:11] <Zevin> freenode has been hiccuping
[10:11] <dwa_> ;)
[10:12] <Zevin> anyone here use wine?
[10:12] <revelater> dwa_ so when i press the off button it automaticaly turns off suport for the display?
[10:12] <dwa_> no revelater, i was just joking
[10:12] <dwa_> i'm sorry
[10:13] <dwa_> can't you disable your monitor in twinview or xinerama?
[10:13] <revelater> i mean in the system itself
[10:15] <revelater> ach!!! nevermind, ill try again tomorrow
[10:15] <dwa_> hehe ok :)
[10:15] <garrut> revelater: you'll have to change your xorg.conf and restart x
[10:15] <garrut> dan niet!
[10:18] <Zevin> hey
[10:18] <Zevin> is there a way to  make it so when i cloe my laptop lid, ubuntu doesn't shutdown?
[10:19] <rjb> hiya, struggling right now w/install of hoary/amd64, fails to install base system :(
[10:19] <Zevin> ouch
[10:19] <rjb> the msg is: dpkg: syntax error
[10:20] <rjb> unknown user `root' in statusoverride file
[10:20] <Zevin> i wanna see someone install it on one of thoes new P4's that use the amd64 commands
[10:20] <n4cht> uh oh...
[10:20] <n4cht> i'm doing the unthinkable!
[10:20] <n4cht> i'm... installing KDE!
[10:20] <Zevin> NOOOO!!!
[10:20] <dwa_> Zevin : checkout /etc/acpi/lid.sh
[10:20] <dwa_> you can change the behaviour in there
[10:20] <Zevin> you rock dwa
[10:20] <rjb> (i'm working on a dual xeon box but i doubt that matters)
[10:21] <drquin> I'm getting no sound from my laptop hp dv1175 anyone have similiar problems and fixed it?
[10:21] <n4cht> hahaha.  i'm just checking to see what everyone's big hardon for kde is that they would flip out bad enough to all but force kbuntu's conception.
[10:22] <rjb> actually the only reason i'm trying ubuntu is that the plain debian installer doesn't support the BCM5700 NIC
[10:22] <rjb> :(
[10:23] <Zevin> ouch
[10:23] <rjb> so, any idea of a workaround for the dpkg error???
[10:24] <Zevin> i wish i knew rjb. i'm way too new to help much.
[10:24] <Zevin> cept maybe try too google for the problem
[10:25] <rjb> the err msg seems bogus, something else must be the problem..
[10:30] <FlimFlamMan> rjb: i thought xeon was an intel chip
[10:30] <Daehlie> it is
[10:30] <rjb> FlimFlamMan: true but it's arch=amd64
[10:31] <FlimFlamMan> oh
[10:31] <rjb> surprize surprize ;)
[10:32] <FlimFlamMan> so....  i've been running a 686-smp kernel on a dual-xeon system for awhile now....
[10:32] <rjb> and..? it _is_ ia32 compatible
[10:33] <FlimFlamMan> just wondering if i should switch
[10:33] <FlimFlamMan> (this is debian testing btw)
[10:34] <rjb> dunno, i have no idea whether 64bit has real perf benefits
[10:34] <rjb> depends on what you use it for i guess
[10:34] <topyli> mmm. dual xeon
[10:35] <topyli> rjb: i don't know why it sounds good either :)
[10:35] <Bazzi> needs more int64 =)
[10:35] <rjb> but it's no good at all while i can't put an OS on it ;((
[10:37] <Zevin> anyone hhav'n trouble with nvidia drivers?ere
[10:37] <rjb> in fact i believed at first it was ia64, being intel
[10:37] <FlimFlamMan> i have them arguing over it in #debian  :-)
[10:37] <mjr> rjb, in an amd64 case it has real benefits, mostly because of the increased number of registers (but in some cases the pointers hogging more space in the cache can reduce that)
[10:37] <rjb> and was puzzled when a ia64 installer wouldn't boot ;)
[10:38] <rinnan> cool.  Ubuntu is the best distro I've ever used, and I've been using Linux since the only distro you could get was Slackware :)
[10:38] <rinnan> On floppy.
[10:38] <mjr> rinnan, me, too, but I don't think it's fair to compare to '93 slackware ;P
[10:39] <rinnan> hahah don't worry I wasn't :p  I was actually comparing to my most recent two, Fedora Core 3 and Gentoo.
[10:39] <rjb> duh maybe i should try warty instead of hoary?
[10:39] <rinnan> I'm going to try to talk ubuntu people into officially supporting my video chipset -- unichrome.
[10:40] <topyli> rinnan: they'll just try and talk you into getting a matrox card :)
[10:41] <Burgundavia> rinnan: is there a reason they wouldn't?
[10:41] <rinnan> no way!  I'm happy with my unichrome.  I run a fanless desktop, and it's sealed, so it's impossible to add any card that needs airflow.
[10:42] <FlimFlamMan> i'm about a nanometer from deciding to put ubuntu on my free partition
[10:42] <Burgundavia> FlimFlamMan: what is stopping you/
[10:42] <rinnan> Well the only reason they might not is because the kernel people only just added drm support.  They'd have to add the via drm module (which is open source) but other than that it shouldn't eba problem.  THey'd have to add the xorg driver too.
[10:42] <Burgundavia> rinnan: huh? what is this vid card?
[10:42] <rinnan> Unichrome.
[10:42] <FlimFlamMan> Burgundavia, just the extra time involved exploring a new distro.  i have kind of a lot invested in my debian desktop setup
[10:43] <Burgundavia> FlimFlamMan: true true
[10:43] <Zevin> i think ubuntu really needs to team up with a computer maker like evergreen,system builders, or cisnet. something. i mean, we sell linux systems at staples. i'd like them to have ubuntu on them:)
[10:43] <Burgundavia> FlimFlamMan: that is what makes live cds great
[10:43] <FlimFlamMan> that's what i'm checking out now
[10:43] <n4cht> brb.  trying kde
[10:43] <Burgundavia> Zevin: not enough demand or margin
[10:43] <topyli> FlimFlamMan: you can set it up just like you have debian now. that's what i did
[10:43] <FlimFlamMan> ick
[10:43] <FlimFlamMan> i like the debian ideals though
[10:44] <FlimFlamMan> but i don't like waiting til hell freezes over to get releases
[10:44] <Zevin> so? wal-mart sells linux systems. just having ubuntu on there would send it flying twoards a true userlinux desktop.
[10:44] <topyli> FlimFlamMan: that's why we have unstable. no worries about releases :)
[10:45] <FlimFlamMan> true enough
[10:45] <FlimFlamMan> but apparently ubuntu tries to make sure things don't explode
[10:45] <FlimFlamMan> and then say "hey, it's UNSTABLE."  :-)
[10:45] <Zevin> right now, that windoze-like linux distro is in alot of wal-mart's systems
[10:45] <FlimFlamMan> i think they're using linspire, and lycoris
[10:46] <topyli> FlimFlamMan: that's how i see it. it's unstable, frozen and debugged from time to time
[10:46] <saik0> Zevin, LinSpire in wal-mart?
[10:46] <Zevin> yeah
[10:46] <FlimFlamMan> actually i think i'd be happy with unstable, with bullet-proof multimedia
[10:46] <Zevin> i want ubuntu on thoes systems
[10:47] <saik0> Zevin, a man can dream
[10:47] <Zevin> yeah
[10:47] <Zevin> whoever is in charge of ubuntu should contact one of thoes system builders and see if theres any interest
[10:47] <saik0> umm I put a DVD in my drive and I cant eject it and it's not showing up in Computer
[10:48] <saik0> Zevin, yes well too bad ubuntu is free
[10:48] <topyli> Zevin: they have linux on them, so it's pretty much guarateed ubuntu/fedora/whatever you like will run. that's a lot already for such a cheap box
[10:48] <FlimFlamMan> sorry, it's linspire and xandros
[10:49] <FlimFlamMan> i thin it used to be lycoris
[10:49] <saik0> Zevin, oh wait I misunderstodd what you were saying, thought you said they Sold LinSpire at Wal-Mart
[10:49] <Zevin> isn't xandros what replaced corel linux
[10:49] <rinnan> well ubuntu is free but there is a company behind it and I'm sure they'd be interested in seeing it on Walmart machines.
[10:49] <FlimFlamMan> you're talking about machine builders - that's where you need something like userlinux to back it up
[10:49] <topyli> rinnan: canonical could still sell support for wal-mart ubuntu boxen
[10:50] <rinnan> right, of course.
[10:50] <FlimFlamMan> $199 xandros box:  http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=3380786&cat=179715&type=19&dept=3944&path=0%3A3944%3A3951%3A41937%3A183251
[10:50] <rinnan> how do I download the right kernel source so I can build a custom module?
[10:50] <rinnan> (my video chipset drm module)
[10:50] <saik0> rinnan, you probably only need the heards I think
[10:51] <FlimFlamMan> kernel-headers
[10:51] <saik0> rinnan, what he said, doh
[10:51] <rinnan> alright I'll give it a shot.
[10:51] <topyli> FlimFlamMan: linux-headers on ubuntu
[10:52] <FlimFlamMan> i think it would be cool if walmart put some linux boxes on the shelves instead of internet-only
[10:52] <FlimFlamMan> topyli, thanks
[10:52] <rinnan> hm, I need the kernel .config file
[10:52] <rinnan> I suspect that I really do need the sources.
[10:52] <Zevin> nice
[10:53] <Zevin> thats a nice box for 199
[10:53] <rinnan> I mean, exactly the sources that they used for the kernel.
[10:53] <Zevin> so, whats the story with xandros?
[10:53] <Zevin> looks like it ships with kde
[10:53] <Zevin> least, from the wal-mart pics
[10:53] <n4cht> ok, so.. here's my synopsis of KDE:  it broke my fucking system.    gnome refuses to function now.  i'm quite pissed off.   kde can go rot.
[10:53] <rjb> ok, posted to ubuntu-users, let's see what happens..
[10:53] <phxguy> any1 know why my windows drive doesn't show up on the desktop??? It is already mounted
[10:53] <FlimFlamMan> Zevin, dunno, i think it's a pay-distro
[10:54] <FlimFlamMan> i've heard it's excellent for people coming off windows
[10:54] <FlimFlamMan> never tried it though
[10:54] <topyli> Zevin: they also ship with proprietary stuff like their own file manager, crossover office and other stuff
[10:54] <topyli> very evil :)
[10:54] <Zevin> hmm
[10:55] <Zevin> whats it based off of?
[10:55] <topyli> debian
[10:55] <Zevin> ahh
[10:55] <Zevin> well
[10:55] <FlimFlamMan> for some reason i just can't stomach kde
[10:55] <Zevin> might not be that bad then
[10:55] <Zevin> yeah
[10:55] <Zevin> ditto
[10:55] <rjb> kde is kool ;)
[10:55] <FlimFlamMan> feels too much like a 1960's pachinko machine
[10:55] <phxguy> looks like another linspire to me
[10:55] <rinnan> I like KDE.  Though I've decided that Ubuntu itself seems to work better with Gnome right now.
[10:55] <n4cht> kde is a piece of crap.
[10:56] <topyli> Zevin: actually i hear it's very good, albeit a tad restrictive. for newbies i guess
[10:56] <Zevin> still
[10:56] <Zevin> 199
[10:56] <rjb> Flim were you even alive in the 60s? ;))
[10:56] <Zevin> killer price
[10:56] <FlimFlamMan> rjb: 1964  :-)
[10:56] <Zevin> i could make some nice nodes out of thoes
[10:57] <rjb> aah
[10:57] <FlimFlamMan> i've had a debian-testing partition lying dormant on my parents' pc - maybe i'll put ubuntu on it and let them try it
[10:57] <rinnan> so no idea about the kernel sources?  Anyone?
[10:57] <topyli> Zevin: 199? how much is windows xp pro?
[10:58] <rjb> my debian unstable workstation was installed like 6 ys ago ;) still alive :-)
[10:58] <FlimFlamMan> rinnan, topyli said it was linux-headers on ubuntu
[10:58] <topyli> yeah
[10:58] <rinnan> It isn't.
[10:58] <topyli> no?
[10:58] <rinnan> That isn't the source, just hte headers.  I really need the source.
[10:58] <rinnan> And also the ".config" file from the source.
[10:59] <topyli> rinnan: well, then it's linux-source. the config is already in your /boot
[10:59] <rinnan> AHA, good, that's where the config is.  Of course.  I forgot, sorry.
[10:59] <rjb> firefox go ahead & try.. let's see if you get the same error ;)
[10:59] <Zevin> xp pro? huh? the xandros box from wal-mart. 199. would make some sweet nodes
[10:59] <saik0> I'd honestly really like to use soundjuicer, but it seems really restrictive in the way of configuration
[10:59] <FlimFlamMan> `firefox, sure, why not.  i'm trying the livecd, might install it on a spare partition eventually
[10:59] <`firefox> ahh thats right, gotta repartition shit. good reminder XD
[10:59] <FlimFlamMan> xp pro?
[11:00] <Zevin> i dunno. someone metioned xp pro
[11:00] <`firefox> blasphemy!
[11:00] <topyli> Zevin: the box? damn, there's a choice for someone getting 20 desktops for an office
[11:00] <Zevin> yeah
[11:00] <Zevin> hella
[11:01] <topyli> Zevin: of course, no one ever buys xp so no one knows what it costs :)
[11:01] <Zevin> hehe
[11:01] <Zevin> yeap
[11:01] <Zevin> hmm
[11:01] <Zevin> totem says "cannot read resource from dvd://"
[11:01] <Zevin> and now drive won't open
[11:02] <FlimFlamMan> i notice microsoft is trying to crawl further up the stack - do they fear their boxed-products market will get eaten out from under them?
[11:02] <rinnan> crap, none of the packages under "kernel-source" are the one that's being run right now.
[11:02] <rinnan> Those are all debian sources.
[11:02] <FlimFlamMan> so it's kernel, not linux, on ubuntu.  like debian
[11:02] <lewwy> hello, i've been trying to get quake 3 working on ubuntu.  However, upon executing quake3-bin all i get is a black screen.  I have nvidia card and the drivers installed. Any suggestions?
[11:02] <Hannes_> rinnan: linux-source ?
[11:03] <jsgotangco> wow firefox 1.0.2
[11:03] <FlimFlamMan> lewwy, turn up gamma?  :-)
[11:03] <jsgotangco> im impressed
[11:03] <lewwy> lol no
[11:03] <topyli> rinnan: kernel-source packages are debian packages from universe. linux-sources are ubuntu
[11:03] <lewwy> no such luck FlimFlamMan
[11:03] <Zevin> llewwy, what card and what drivers you using?
[11:03] <lewwy> how would i find those out?
[11:03] <lewwy> something to do with grep im guessing
[11:04] <Zevin> nope, just system > admin> device manager
[11:04] <rinnan> ah, okay linux-source gets me much closer...  I need 2.6.10-5, but there is only 2.6.10-31.  I guess it's time to upgrade :)
[11:04] <topyli> heh
[11:04] <fabbione> rinnan: 2.6.10-5 is the package name
[11:04] <fabbione> 2.6.10-31 is a version
[11:04] <lewwy> Zevin: where in device manager does it say that?
[11:04] <fabbione> and there is 2.6.10-5-* version 2.6.10-31
[11:05] <fabbione> that is the last one
[11:05] <lewwy> Zevin: Im on the nv31 thingo
[11:05] <rinnan> oic.. but the package name seems to be "linux-source-2.6.10" and no -5.. is that -5 appended at some other point?
[11:05] <phxguy> so nobody knows why ubuntu doesn't show my windows drive on the desktop???
[11:06] <FlimFlamMan> is it mounted?
[11:06] <fabbione> rinnan: -5 is a number that gets incremented each time the kernel changes ABI
[11:06] <Zevin> feeling of it should say your video card modal
[11:06] <fabbione> rinnan: it was -1 in the beginning.. and so on..
[11:06] <lewwy> man oh man people who ask questions with more than one exclamation and question signs annoy me
[11:06] <fabbione> it has alwasy been there
[11:06] <phxguy> FlimFlamMan, yes it is mounted
[11:06] <phxguy> i know how you feel lewwy
[11:07] <Dreamer3> lewwy: if i ask with only one will you answer in the affirmative :)
[11:07] <lewwy> nowhere in device manager does it tell me my nvidia driver version
[11:07] <lewwy> how can i grep it
[11:07] <lewwy> lsmod | grep nvidia?
[11:08] <lewwy> *silence*
[11:08] <phxguy> lewwy nvidia-settings should show it...
[11:08] <phxguy> mine does at least
[11:09] <saik0> is it normal for Totem-gstreamer to really suck at playing DVDs
[11:09] <Zevin> see, i just can't get the drivers to work
[11:09] <Zevin> i have a geforce 4 440 go
[11:09] <phxguy> so any ideas FlimFlamMan
[11:09] <Zevin> 64 meg
[11:09] <Zevin> and when i enable the drivers, i get white screen of death
[11:09] <topyli> hey, the device manager lets you update the ubuntu hardware database! nice touch
[11:10] <lewwy> command not found
[11:10] <lewwy> phxguy: nvidia-settings not found
[11:11] <FlimFlamMan> phxguy, sorry i was away for a min - not really - i've only used the livecd for about 30 mins.  :-)
[11:11] <phxguy> levvy: apt-get install nvidia-glx (if you haven't done that yet) then apt-get install nvidia-settings
[11:11] <lewwy> k
[11:11] <lewwy> getting settings now
[11:11] <phxguy> take a look at ubuntuguide.org
[11:11] <FlimFlamMan> is there a GUI for mounting partitions?
[11:11] <phxguy> nope haven't found one at least
[11:11] <barbari> how i can build pagage to .deb file, i want to build amule-cvs ?
[11:12] <Zevin> phxguy: then i enable the glx drivers, i just get a mostly white screen. any ideas?
[11:12] <Zevin> make deb
[11:12] <phxguy> have you look at the nvidia topic on ubuntuguide.org
[11:15] <lewwy> phxguy: my nvidia driver version is 1.0-6629
[11:15] <phxguy> Zevin, have you done sudo nvidia-glx-config enable  <-- requires a restart (ctrl+alt+bksp)
[11:15] <Zevin> yeah, when i do, i get white screen
[11:15] <FlimFlamMan> does gnome even create non-removable storage links on the desktop at all?
[11:15] <phxguy> levvy same as mine
[11:15] <Zevin> then i have to recover xorg.conf
[11:15] <lewwy> hmmm
[11:16] <lewwy> any suggestions phxguy?
[11:16] <phxguy> FlimFlamMan, it does but it is real flaky..... my windows drive showed up before but then i rebooted
[11:17] <lewwy> how do i get nvidia to build its own kernel module?
[11:17] <phxguy> hmmm... nope. im not a gamer sorry
[11:17] <lewwy> okay, well can someone please tell me how to get nvidia to make its own module?
[11:18] <rjb> bah, failed again.. let's retry this question:
[11:18] <rjb> hoary-amd64 installer fails to install base system..
[11:18] <phxguy> lewwy, do you gl screensaver work as they should
[11:18] <lewwy> uhhh
[11:18] <lewwy> *checks*
[11:19] <rjb> msg is: dpkg syntax error: unknown user `root' in statusoverride file
[11:19] <lewwy> glxgears runs at 2802fps
[11:19] <rjb> any1 know a workaround?
[11:20] <phxguy> should be working i guess...
[11:20] <lewwy> so how would i install the nvidia packages from nvidia.com?
[11:20] <lewwy> it fails at source
[11:20] <lewwy> even tho i have 2.6 source installed
[11:20] <lewwy> 42mbs worth
[11:20] <phxguy> did you do the "How to enhance NVIDIA graphics performance?" from the ubuntuguide?
[11:20] <lewwy> link me
[11:20] <topyli> uhh... i get about 380 fps from glxgears :)
[11:21] <phxguy> http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#enhancenvidiaperformance
[11:21] <lewwy> omg its big enough
[11:22] <phxguy> I tried those steps and it kinda screwed my system up.... so if you haven't done it well
[11:23] <phxguy> I have a GeForce2 MX 400
[11:23] <e_machinist> Dang... I can't seem to set the mouse motion at juuuusssttt the right speed for me.
[11:23] <lewwy> i have a GeForce 6800 256mb each running in PCI-E SLI
[11:23] <Zevin> nvidia-glx-config enable
[11:23] <e_machinist> haha.
[11:24] <topyli> e_machinist: might get you fragged :)
[11:24] <lewwy> lol nah im joking
[11:24] <lewwy> only got my fx5600
[11:24] <e_machinist> heh. Fragged by the Gnome desktop?
[11:24] <e_machinist> I used to have a 5600 Ultra, was an ok card
[11:24] <topyli> e_machinist: it's not _that_ bad I hope :)
[11:25] <e_machinist> Hmm. I'm right in the middle topyli, one notch down feels to slow. One notch up feels to fast.
[11:25] <lewwy> go with the faster one
[11:26] <e_machinist> yah... faster is usually better cause then I don't have to keep picking up the mouse to get across the screen haha.
[11:26] <topyli> faster! faster!
[11:26] <lewwy> and make the cursor red!
[11:26] <topyli> with trails!
[11:26] <e_machinist> Red? haha.
[11:26] <phxguy> well im outa here good luck lewwy ... don't foget sudo nvidia-glx-config enable and restart x
[11:27] <rjb> strange, unlike debian the ubuntu installer doesn't ask for my dns domain
[11:28] <topyli> rjb: yeah, the ubuntu version doesn't ask much
[11:28] <topyli> it smells what you want
[11:28] <e_machinist> Debian will get easier eventually.
[11:28] <e_machinist> I say eventually with every possible reservation as I have hope... but not to much.
[11:29] <rjb> how can it smell the dns domain? i have no dhcp server
[11:29] <lewwy> man, i so hope this gets easier
[11:29] <waxhead> hey everyone
[11:29] <lewwy> its so goddamn hardkore this OS right now
[11:29] <topyli> rjb: hmm.
[11:29] <FlimFlamMan> on debian, something i've always thought odd is why screen saver selection is placed in the "advanced" menu in gnome....
[11:29] <topyli> i bet it can't
[11:30] <FlimFlamMan> s/why/that/
[11:30] <lewwy> quick, someone remote desktop to me and get quake3 working
[11:30] <rjb> well it could do a revdns query once i gave it my ip & ns addresses
[11:30] <rjb> but i don't think it does that
[11:30] <topyli> FlimFlamMan: might be historical. xscreensaver is not a gnome component
[11:31] <rjb> cuz it doesn't know my hostname
[11:31] <topyli> rjb: i'd restart in the "expert" mode or whatsitsname
[11:33] <Dreamer3> can anyeone help me figure out when building irssi is dying with: configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[11:33] <topyli> lewwy: i can't install the latest point release myself
[11:33] <topyli> lewwy: couldn't in warty anyway, haven't tried now
[11:34] <rjb> ohhh fukkk
[11:34] <lewwy> hey guys
[11:34] <lok> Dreamer3, your symlink /lib/cpp is not linked with the same cpp's version of gcc
[11:35] <rjb> now it gets stuck in the partitioner
[11:35] <Dreamer3> lok: huh?
[11:35] <lewwy> you know quake3 point release linux converter? do i have to install the point release patch prior to installing the linux quake3 over it?
[11:35] <lok> Dreamer3, you have a package of irssi
[11:35] <rjb> i'm done setting up filesystems & hit finish & write changes..
[11:36] <rjb> but the stupid thing just keeps restarting & refuses to proceed
[11:36] <waxhead> re
[11:36] <waxhead> cool... got 3d working.. :)
[11:36] <Dreamer3> lok: i've downloaded the sourc (apt-get source irssi-text) and now i'm in the source directory and running dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[11:36] <lok> Dreamer3, apt-get install irssi
[11:36] <Seveas> Goooooooooooooooooooooooooodmorning|afternoon|evening|night #ubuntu!
[11:37] <Dreamer3> lok: i'm purposely wanting to modify the .dev
[11:37] <Dreamer3> lok: not install a binary
[11:37] <topyli> rjb: is this the hoary installer?
[11:37] <lok> Dreamer3, your /lib/cpp probably link to cpp-3.3 instead of cpp-(gcc --version)
[11:37] <hazmat> are there any debian scripts/tools for managing /etc/rc* directory symlinks?
[11:37] <odie5533> are there any delphi compilers for linux?
[11:37] <topyli> hazmat: update-rc.d is the official. there's a "gui" called sysv-rc-conf too
[11:38] <hazmat> topyli, thanks
[11:38] <saik0> Totem-gstreamer is freaking out when I insert a DVD, the Audio is alright but the video is horrible, and sometimes it crashes at random
[11:38] <odie5533> saik0: sudo apt-get install vlc
[11:38] <lok> saik0, install gstreamer mpeg 2 library
[11:38] <topyli> or totem-xine
[11:39] <Dreamer3> lok: i have gcc 3.3.4... cpp only seems to say 3.3, how do i fix this?
[11:39] <imsdle> im trying to get my LPT1 KTX 4800AP scanner working.. im a new bie
[11:39] <Dreamer3> lok: /lib/cpp -> /usr/bin/cpp-3.3
[11:39] <rjb> topyli: hoary amd64
[11:39] <saik0> I want to support gstreamer, really I do, but they make it hard
[11:40] <lok> Dreamer3, strange your link is good
[11:40] <saik0> lok, it is installed
[11:40] <kingsoz> ello people!
[11:40] <topyli> rjb: might still be buggy
[11:40] <rjb> looks like there's a bug when you go through the partitioner but make no changes
[11:40] <topyli> rjb: try warty and upgrade
[11:40] <lewwy> bah the whole things one big bug
[11:40] <kingsoz> anybody know about installing ATI radeon drivers on ubuntu?
[11:41] <rjb> like no new filesystems created & none marked for formatting
[11:41] <lewwy> never bummed around with a distro this HARD
[11:41] <topyli> kingsoz: i've installed the ati driver. i've also UNinstalled it pretty quickly :)
[11:42] <Dreamer3> lok: must lok so?
[11:42] <lewwy> davicom network drivers STILL doesnt work
[11:42] <kingsoz> hehhe, i used the synaptic thing to download the fglrx thingy and it still didn't do anything, my screensaver runs at 20 fps which is crap
[11:42] <rjb> ok the default install seems to work (sort of).. but i wanted the "server" version :(
[11:42] <topyli> rjb: might still work for warty/xfree, but kills x on restart with hoary/xorg
[11:42] <lok> Dreamer3, try to install gcc-3.4 or 4.0 and relink cpp with cpp-3.4 or 4.0
[11:43] <rjb> i don't even want an xserver on this box
[11:43] <topyli> sorry rjb, i mean kingsoz ^^^
[11:43] <raghu> www.hammockholidays.com...........is it working please urgn
[11:44] <Dreamer3> lok: i don't need g++ for this to work, right?
[11:44] <saik0> Is there way to FIX totem-gstreamer to play DVDs as opposed to telling it to use a different backend or getting a new player >_<
[11:44] <lok> Dreamer3, I don't know take a look at the configure
[11:44] <topyli> kingsoz: are you using warty?
[11:44] <kingsoz> no the hedgehog one
[11:44] <siimo> warty rocks :D
[11:44] <kingsoz> 5.04
[11:45] <topyli> kingsoz: you need to change xorg.conf, change ati driver there to fglrx
[11:45] <kingsoz> yeah i did that
[11:46] <saik0> kingsoz, did you restart X?
[11:46] <lok> saik0, xine, vlc, mplayer
[11:46] <kingsoz> i pressed Ctrl Alt Backspace
[11:46] <topyli> kingsoz: maybe add the module to /etc/modprobe.d/something
[11:46] <topyli> and reboot
[11:46] <topyli> kingsoz: warning: when you log out, if you use gdm, your machine will freeze
[11:47] <topyli> after putting the new driver to work
[11:47] <kingsoz> sorry, i'm really new to linux, moving from distribution to distribution trying to find one that works with my card! i am using gnome is that ok?
[11:47] <lok> topyli, not with the new drivers
[11:47] <lewwy> hey whats the command to configure the x server?
[11:47] <topyli> lok: there are newer drivers? that work?
[11:48] <saik0> lok, no no. I want totem-gstreamer to work with DVDs, is that not possible
[11:48] <siimo> kingsoz, what card
[11:48] <kingsoz> what did u mean by copying the module to that folder, u mean the xorg.conf file?
[11:48] <kingsoz> ATI Radeon 9700 Pro
[11:48] <lok> the latest don't freeze
[11:48] <lewwy> whats the command to configure the X server?
[11:48] <siimo> kingsoz, all distributions will work with that card, thats not something distribution specific
[11:48] <chromate> i've installed amarok through synaptic, but for some reason it doesn't play any files. its not a sound card problem, works fine in xmms. perhaps Arts doesn't like mp3 anymore?
[11:48] <lewwy> guys a simple one word answer...
[11:48] <kingsoz> yeah but i've had linux geeks helping me and nobody can get it to work, they always say try this distro...
[11:49] <siimo> lewwy, xorgconfig or  xorgcfg
[11:49] <topyli> kingsoz: not copying. just adding it to a startup file so the module gets loaded at boot
[11:49] <lewwy> thx siimo
[11:49] <lok> chromate, have you install gstreamer-0.8-mad ?
[11:49] <rjb> uh-oh, hung in configuring apt.. on testing network repository
[11:49] <rjb> that probbly means the NIC isn't working
[11:49] <dballester> hi to all
[11:49] <siimo> kingsoz, you should read the ATi Drivers manual
[11:50] <topyli> lok: are the new ati drivers apt-gettable or should i fetch them from ati?
[11:50] <EricNeon> hi all~
[11:50] <kingsoz> hi eric
[11:50] <Dreamer3> i can't install anything cause i changed my repositories to hoary and it wants to change everything :-/
[11:51] <dballester> I'm trying to get the date of installation for every package in my ubuntu box, taking a look at dpkg, apt-get and google without luck, anybody can point me to right direction? TIA
[11:51] <topyli> Dreamer3: naturally
[11:51] <Benjamin_L> what could be the reason that gnome menu entries are localized but the menu itself is not ?
[11:51] <siimo> kingsoz, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto  has a very simple howto for ATI
[11:51] <imsdle> can anyone tell me how to enable lpt1 port for sane?
[11:52] <topyli> imsdle: you don't have to do anything
[11:52] <Jonne> hi
[11:52] <andreas_> Hi
[11:52] <lok> topyli, the probleme that you mentioned don't exist anymore since the ati versions drivers which run in x86_64
[11:52] <topyli> imsdle: but you have to be root, or use saned
[11:52] <pittiful_fool> question.  I'm using hoary live to mount a local NTFS partition....
[11:52] <lewwy> brb
[11:52] <brrrt> hello hello hello :)
[11:52] <andreas_> Is there any way I can install a CMS on a local PC to develop a site before uploading?
[11:52] <kingsoz> thanks, i'll take a look at it, i'll come back later. thankyou guys
[11:52] <pittiful_fool> but when I do "sudo mount /dev/hba2 /foo".....
[11:52] <lok> Dreamer3 i can't install anything cause i changed my repositories to hoary and it wants to change everything :-/ << he want to upgrade
[11:52] <brrrt> what is the best hoary image to download right now ?
[11:53] <pittiful_fool> user ubuntu can't read /foo
[11:53] <pittiful_fool> what am I missing?  besides a brain?
[11:53] <sveri> hi, i want to install jbuilder 2005 but i get some errors, for example:nawk: error while loading shared libraries: libm.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory, i use hoary on amd64, how can i install jbuilder?
[11:53] <lok> brrrt, the latest ?
[11:53] <brrrt> current?
[11:53] <imsdle> how do get into root?
[11:53] <imsdle> im in root on terminal
[11:53] <andreas_> brrrt: Yup
[11:53] <imsdle> but how do you do it applications
[11:53] <lok> pittiful_fool, add umask=0002 on your /etc/fstab
[11:53] <brrrt> k, thx!
[11:53] <andreas_> imsdl: sudo su - password
[11:54] <brrrt> ubuntu is soooo GREAT !!
[11:54] <imsdle> i know that bit..
[11:54] <imsdle> :P
[11:54] <andreas_> Ahh... you mean activate root?
[11:54] <lok> sudo passwd
[11:54] <dballester> anybody with knowledgement about debian packages structure and database?
[11:55] <Seveas> dballester, sure
[11:55] <saik0> does synaptic have some sort of log
[11:55] <waxhead> I thought hoary had openoffice 2 installed
[11:55] <andreas_> wax: It has when updated
[11:55] <Jonne> hi, i recently installed knoppix (from the liveCD), and i would like to switch to ubuntu (well, gnome actually). The system is a dual boot with winXP, and i would like to know if there's something i have to watch for when installing ubuntu
[11:55] <Seveas> saik0, not really
[11:55] <lok> saik0, synaptics is a front end for apt so the log is the same than apt
[11:55] <saik0> I installed mplayer cuz I was feeling sadistic, turns out I hated it and want to uninstall it and all it;s dependencies
[11:55] <waxhead> andreas_, I moved to hoary last night and I got 1.1.3 showing up...
[11:56] <andreas_> waxhead: goto terminal
[11:56] <waxhead> saik0, gmplayer does the job for me..
[11:56] <rjb> shit hostnames are not resolving so i guess the NIC is noworky indeed
[11:56] <Seveas> saik0, apt-cache show mplayer, that will show the deps
[11:56] <andreas_> sudo apt-get update
[11:56] <waxhead> andreas_, what do you mean?
[11:56] <imsdle> I'll start again.. I have just connected my flatbed scanner.. I want to get it going though sane or xsane. It is an LPT1 scanner
[11:56] <andreas_> auso apt-get install openoffice.org2
[11:56] <saik0> Seveas, also works, thanks
[11:56] <waxhead> andreas_, oh got it...
[11:57] <andreas_> waxhead: Mark that you have to have the universe and multiverse enabled in your sources
[11:57] <dballester> Seveas , i'm trying to know installation date for every package in my system, i was looking dpkg --help with no much luck, may be i'm forgetting something
[11:57] <Gryphon-> i just installed Ubuntu Hoary and installed the ATI 3D drivers, the drivers appear to be working, but my OpenGL device is being listed as MESA indirect - is there a way to fix this as games arent loading atm..
[11:57] <saik0> Seveas, apt-cache search mplayer returned nothing
[11:58] <Seveas> dballester, afaik: there's no such thing
[11:58] <dballester> seveas , ouch :(
[11:58] <Seveas> saik0, apt-cache show mplayer-custom
[11:58] <waxhead> andreas_, got it...
[11:58] <saik0> Seveas, thanks that worked
[11:58] <FlimFlamMan> anyone know why my numeric keypad might stop working?
[11:58] <andreas_> waxhead: Pleased to hear it
[11:58] <waxhead> gee.. window drawing is really slow... :(
[11:59] <andreas_> wax: Only when updating?
[11:59] <dballester> seveas i wanna know waht packages were installed/upgraded today, for example. Any tip?
[12:00] <rjb> dballester i think you can look at the mtimes on the files in /var/lib/dpkg/info
[12:00] <Seveas> dballester, if you haven't run apt-get clean yet you can see which .deb files in /var/cache/apt/archives have todays date
[12:01] <andreas_> Have anyone here seen the script on the forums? The beginner`s script, that is.
[12:01] <lok> ubuntuguide.org ?
[12:01] <dballester> rjb & seveas thanks for the idea, at least may be will save my day :) . But i think that's a good idea to have a new field in packages database where the timestamp of update/install can be inserted
[12:01] <brrrt> andreas_: im just doing a jgdo update and there are a lot of': "ERROR 404: Not Found."
[12:01] <waxhead> andreas_, updating?  like redrawing the windows?... yes...
[12:01] <rjb> dballester not that i'm really sure but i think they reflect the install/upgrade time
[12:02] <waxhead> andreas_, I have the fglrx driver installed for xorg... and get decent frame rates with glxgears
[12:02] <andreas_> brrt: Explain
[12:02] <rjb> (they seem to for me at least)
[12:02] <andreas_> waxhead: Cannot help you there hence i have never experienced that
[12:03] <pittiful_fool> many thanks
[12:03] <waxhead> andreas_, but 2d stuff is a bit of a bollocks... but I'm wondering if it's becuase the apps are swapped out to disk, and since I'm on battery, the hdd is a little slow spinning up.
[12:03] <Dreamer3> ok, what's the worst than can happen in an upgrade to hoary?
[12:04] <Arnia> Dreamer3: Total reality failure?
[12:04] <andreas_> dreamer: You don`t  like the look
[12:04] <brrrt> andreas_: i molunted an old hoary-install-i386.iso via loop into a folder and now wantr to do a jigdo-lite update of the image. some packages were downloaded but at some of the packages  i get 404 errors
[12:04] <Arnia> He never said it had to be causally related :)
[12:04] <Seveas> Dreamer3, you could die...
[12:04] <Dreamer3> Seveas: hmmmm, why?
[12:05] <andreas_> brrt: I have never used jigdo so I cannot help you
[12:05] <Dreamer3> Seveas: then i'd go to heaven and wouldn't have to work tomorrow, how is that the WORST thing? :)
[12:05] <Seveas> Dreamer3, you are going to hell :)
[12:05] <Arnia> A team of badgers could lynch you for no good reason
[12:05] <Dreamer3> Seveas: *laughs* that's what you think
[12:05] <andreas_> I have a question
[12:05] <Seveas> Breeze Badgers Arnia ?
[12:05] <Seveas> :)
[12:06] <andreas_> Can i install a CMS on a local machine to develop a site?
[12:06] <Jimbob> andreas_: Yep
[12:06] <andreas_> jimbob: How?
[12:06] <saik0> Totem gave me this when I tried to play a DVD Unexpected error status 8192 while mounting /media/cdrom1
[12:06] <brrrt> andreas_: well i think maybe not that bad, as hopefully the most important packages seem to be availiable
[12:07] <Jimbob> andreas_: Install apache, configure it to listen on <IP_ADDRESS>:80, and then point your webserver at "http://localhost/"
[12:07] <rjb> aarrghh great: /dev/md1: no such file or directory
[12:07] <andreas_> jmbob: and apache is in the apt-get list?
[12:07] <Arnia> andreas_: Which CMS
[12:07] <Seveas> apache2 is
[12:07] <Jimbob> andreas_: Yeah -- apache2 is nicer IMO
[12:07] <andreas_> jimbob: Is that all?
[12:08] <Arnia> Seveas: I've been a benguin and padger fan for about 20 years now... *huggles penguin*
[12:08] <andreas_> Arnia: Open to suggestions, but  a simple one preferrebly
[12:08] <Jimbob> andreas_: Well, you'd also have to install whatever your CMS needs to run -- usually libapache2-mod-php, mysql-server, and php-mysql
[12:08] <Jimbob> (for a CMS that uses PHP + MySQL)
[12:08] <rjb> the hoary installer seems to fuck up the setup of raid devices
[12:09] <Jimbob> andreas_: What CMS did you want to use?
[12:09] <Arnia> andreas_: Just asking cos I was on the core team for Plone and I'm designing a new one atm so its useful research
[12:09] <andreas_> Jimbob: do yu know a a CMS that features a manual for a lll of this?
[12:09] <brrrt> andreas_: jigdo is quite cool, it lets you update your downloaded iso-images :)
[12:09] <Seveas> plone is soooo overkill for a small site
[12:09] <andreas_> Arnia: Well I have been very fond og AngelineCMS
[12:09] <andreas_> of
[12:09] <Jimbob> andreas_: Umm, I don't know of one that features debian/ubuntu-specific instructions -- i.e. a list of packages you want
[12:10] <Seveas> incuding ubuntulinux.nl :)
[12:10] <andreas_> Mirage? Link please
[12:10] <andreas_> please
[12:10] <Seveas> can't do
[12:10] <Seveas> server is down
[12:10] <andreas_> Damn!
[12:10] <Arnia> Seveas: *shrugs* I can help best with Plone that's all :)
[12:11] <andreas_> Arnia : 2 secs.. Just looking
[12:11] <Seveas> but it's not that usable (has no docs) :)
[12:11] <Arnia> Plone has plenty of docs
[12:11] <Arnia> Does any one else find it weird looking at their own work?
[12:11] <Seveas> but i like Mirages *lightweigthedness* and being based on xml :)
[12:11] <Arnia> (as a random aside)
[12:11] <Seveas> and the fact that i've developed it :o)
[12:12] <andreas_> Arnia: Can i see you on instant messager?
[12:12] <kev0r> Seveas: wtf is Mirage?
[12:12] <Arnia> Which network?
[12:12] <andreas_> It` s a bit confusing here
[12:12] <Seveas> kev0r, my CMS :)
[12:12] <kev0r> CMS =?
[12:12] <Seveas> content management system
[12:12] <Seveas> for people who are too lazy to write html :)
[12:12] <Arnia> I look at ubuntulinux.org and I can say 'I did that markup'
[12:13] <kev0r> root :P
[12:13] <kev0r> hmm
[12:13] <Seveas> lol Arnia
[12:13] <kev0r> png: best not login root
[12:13] <Seveas> i have that with ubuntulinux.nl :)
[12:13] <Jimbob> Seveas: Or have too many pages to manually update the nav bars...
[12:13] <Seveas> (down too, stupid hoster...)
[12:13] <png> kev0r: n/p for me
[12:13] <Seveas> Jimbob, good reason too
[12:13] <kev0r> ok, whatever :)
[12:13] <Arnia> Seveas: Harsh... not fair either. A CMS should be used to manage content, not web pages
[12:14] <kev0r> Pennywise - Bro Hymn
[12:14] <andreas_> Arnia: Can i please talk to you alone?
[12:14] <kev0r> :P /me hugs
[12:14] <Seveas> Arnia, indeed, but so many people use rellay good CMS'es for nothing but three web pages
[12:14] <Arnia> Seveas: I just wish people used our markup properly. The default plone skin is awful and yet no one seems to significantly customise the CSS
[12:14] <Seveas> :)
[12:15] <Seveas> than make a better default ;)
[12:15] <Arnia> Seveas: www.netalleynetworks.com shows a small CSS-only customisation
[12:15] <scizzo> CMS?
[12:15] <andreas_> Arnia: Please direct me to Plone scins
[12:15] <andreas_> skins
[12:15] <Arnia> I hate all cookie-cutter site designs :p
[12:15] <Arnia> andreas_: PM me
[12:15] <kev0r> haha installing programs onder linux with apt-get is so much faster then under windows
[12:15] <Arnia> I'll find them
[12:16] <andreas_> Arnia: What`s your mail?
[12:16] <Seveas> kev0r, and think about uninstalling :)
[12:16] <kev0r> apt-get uninstall? :P
[12:16] <Arnia> andreas_: Are you using MSN?
[12:16] <Seveas> Arnia, n-a-n.com doesnt even look like plone, nice customization :)
[12:17] <Seveas> kev0r, indeed, so much better compared to winshit registry crap
[12:17] <andreas_> Arnia: Gaim, yes.
[12:17] <andreas_> On the Msn protocol
[12:17] <Dreamer3> is it possible to revert back to warty after a hoary upgradE?
[12:17] <kev0r> yea that blows chunx in tah box
[12:17] <kev0r> and backing up...
[12:17] <kev0r> omg
[12:17] <kev0r> *burn* done :)
[12:17] <Arnia> Seveas: We were responsible for the Plone 2 markup, the accessibility, the ability to use CSS to customise it all etc
[12:17] <Seveas> Dreamer3, not an easy way....
[12:17] <kev0r> only the .XXX folders
[12:17] <andreas_> Must do the dishes
[12:17] <kev0r> and all ur p0rn is backed up ;)
[12:18] <cusco> how about this one: http://www.csszengarden.com/
[12:18] <Seveas> wow 2 days?
[12:18] <cusco> you can choose the skin on the menu at the right
[12:18] <Seveas> how crappy is your b/w :)
[12:18] <Dreamer3> Seveas: modem
[12:18] <Dreamer3> so i'm scared stiff to install
[12:18] <Arnia> cusco: Well, its not using the Plone markup ;)
[12:18] <Arnia> cusco: That means the CSS isn't going to style Plone very well
[12:19] <Dreamer3> trying to imagine in advance what i know will break
[12:19] <Dreamer3> things in /usr/local will likely still work fine, right?
[12:19] <Seveas> yes
[12:20] <andreas_> Arnia: How d o i start plone after having apt`ed it?
[12:20] <cusco> actually I dunno plone :(
[12:21] <Arnia> Developing a CMS using all the modularisation power of Zope3 now... which is quite cool (nay, very cool)
[12:21] <rjb> mhhh how come didn't the installer ask any questions about setting up the bootloader..?
[12:21] <Arnia> andreas_: Create a zope instance
[12:22] <andreas_> Arnia: Ehh??
[12:22] <Arnia> andreas_: Plone is a set of components for Z2
[12:22] <andreas_> Arnia: So i need to do what?
[12:22] <Arnia> andreas_: To set up Plone you create a zope instance (mkzope2.7instance) somewhere
[12:23] <Arnia> andreas_: You then start that zope instance
[12:23] <Fikrann> Hello
[12:23] <Dreamer3> so it's mostly my custom xorg-dri setup with manual moficiation to the system then i gots to worry about trashing?
[12:23] <Dreamer3> joy
[12:23] <andreas_> Arnia: Well... Do i have to install Zope? Is that what you`re saying?
[12:23] <Arnia> andreas_: You then log in to your new Zope site (http://localhost:8080/ usually) and add a Plone site to the site
[12:24] <Arnia> andreas_: Its a dependency, so it should have been installed as well
[12:24] <rjb> ..and how come didn't it report failure to connect to the package repository, when it clearly did fail??
[12:24] <andreas_> Arnia: Please direct me... I have done the apt-get install plone that` s it.
[12:24] <Fikrann> andreas_, check if you have Zope installed as well .. you should have
[12:25] <andreas_> How?
[12:25] <andreas_> Confused
[12:25] <Fikrann> dpkg-query -s zope
[12:26] <andreas_> Package Zope is not installed
[12:26] <andreas_> apt-get install zope?
[12:27] <Fikrann> andreas_, check for zope2.7
[12:27] <Dreamer3> hmmmm
[12:27] <Dreamer3> is gthumb really truly broken in hoary?
[12:27] <tuukkah> does it look like the release candidate is going to be out today?
[12:27] <andreas_> zope2.7 - Open Source Web Application Server
[12:28] <andreas_> Is this the one i am to install?
[12:28] <Arnia> Yes
[12:28] <Fikrann> zope2.7, good.
[12:28] <andreas_> andreas@ubuntu:~ $ sudo apt-get install zope2.7
[12:28] <andreas_> Reading package lists... Done
[12:28] <andreas_> Building dependency tree... Done
[12:28] <andreas_> zope2.7 is already the newest version.
[12:29] <jintxo> Dreamer3, gthumb works ok for me,. except for files with non-stantard characters in their names (like with spanish accents and the such)
[12:29] <ACID|net> hey.  i want to use my laptop on my floor as a wireless media centre until i can actually afford a proper one - but will keeping it on carpet mess it up??
[12:29] <Arnia> In which case, well done... but why aren't you using synaptic?
[12:29] <airox> Hi.
[12:29] <Fikrann> andreas_, btw, you might want to try apt-getting plone-site, it seems that its a metapackage that installs Plone and friends, then configures them for immediate use.
[12:29] <ACID|net> if so what should i do??
[12:29] <airox> Are there kernel-headers for hoary ?
[12:30] <Dreamer3> hmmmmmmmmm
[12:30] <airox> err never mind ;)
[12:30] <andreas_> Fikrann: Thanks! Got it now
[12:30] <Fikrann> andreas_, you're welcome
[12:31] <Dreamer3> sudo apt-get install curl --reinstall (doest that look right)?
[12:31] <Dreamer3> it says: Reinstallation of curl is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
[12:31] <Fikrann> By the way .. can anyone tell me if there are any pitfalls (like ethernet, usb not working) when installing Ubuntu on NForce based mobo?
[12:32] <andreas_> Fikrann: When having done that <IP_ADDRESS> doesn`t get me there
[12:32] <Arnia> andreas_: Port 8080
[12:33] <Fikrann> andreas_, zope by default is using different port, 8080, 9724, can't recall now what is standard.
[12:33] <airox> Does anybody know a lightweight http proxy server that's capable of filtering ?
[12:33] <airox> and altering ...
[12:33] <airox> Besides squid ..
[12:33] <Arnia> 8080 is standard... 9724 is debian
[12:33] <andreas_> Writing "port 8080" in firefox gets me here: http://grc.com/port_8080.htm
[12:34] <Bazzi> andreas_ <IP_ADDRESS>:8080
[12:34] <Fikrann> andreas_, you want to check this addy: http://localhost:8080/
[12:34] <airox> Anybody has good experiences with captive ?
[12:35] <Fikrann> airox, its slow as hell
[12:35] <airox> But is it reliable ?
[12:35] <andreas_> None of them gets me anywhere
[12:35] <airox> Or would making a fat partition be better ?
[12:35] <Fikrann> airox, I think so.
[12:35] <Fikrann> airox, i.e. I think it is reliable
[12:35] <airox> Ok.
[12:36] <Fikrann> I've installed it on few different machines, noone have yet reported problems.
[12:36] <airox> Nice!
[12:37] <Fikrann> On the other hand, owners use windoze on these machines mostly to print and scan stuff .. Lexmark be triple-cursed.
[12:37] <Tigolbidies> What's the best distro there is?
[12:37] <Tigolbidies> Ubuntu?
[12:37] <Zevin> anyone have any luck with the nvidia drivers on a zv5000 series laptop?
[12:37] <Zevin> yeap
[12:37] <Zevin> Ubuntu all the way
[12:37] <Tigolbidies> hell yeha
[12:37] <Fikrann> Tigolbidies, that depends on who you ask.
[12:37] <Arnia> Tigolbidies: not the best place to go for unbiased opinion ;)
[12:38] <Fikrann> By the way .. can anyone tell me if there are any pitfalls (like ethernet, usb not working) when installing Ubuntu on NForce based mobo?
[12:38] <rjb> yeaahhh no network on BCM5700 :(
[12:38] <Dreamer3> ok, if i have backports (like grepmap) taht are critical to the sytem (i'm assuming) but the same version as hoary how can i tell apt to replace those with the hoary version?
[12:38] <rjb> funny that ifconfig reports eth0 is up and running
[12:39] <rjb> and reports nonzero numbers for RX/TX
[12:39] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3: it will do it automatically if the version number is higher
[12:39] <rjb> but i still can't ping any host on my LAN
[12:39] <Tigolbidies> wow ubunto is only a 1 cd install
[12:39] <Zevin> fikrann: not that i know of. i'm using an nForce4 mobo, and eth,usb,wifi all work
[12:39] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: the version #'s are the same, but i want to make sure i have the .debs from hoary
[12:39] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3: I wouldn
[12:40] <Burgundavia> worry abou tit
[12:40] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3: if the version numbers are the same, then they should be the same package
[12:40] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: you'd THINK so, but i'd rather be sure
[12:40] <Zevin> how can i download the old 6111 nvidia drivers?
[12:40] <Fikrann> Zevin, thanks. Its an old nForce2 box, but its the first time I have something to do with nVidia's chipset.
[12:40] <rjb> hey, any1 here had to deal w/the BCM5700?
[12:40] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: being overly paranois sometimes has saved my day
[12:40] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3: if they aren't, then the people who are doing the backports need to smarten up
[12:41] <Zevin> Fikrann: yeah, np.
[12:41] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3: if you change a package, you should change the version number
[12:41] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3: if all you do it build it, then you don't need to
[12:41] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: well, i'm not betting on anything :)
[12:41] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: though i totally understand your logic :)
[12:42] <azad> mornin'
[12:42] <azad> how to rar something?
[12:42] <Tigolbidies> gzip?
[12:42] <Tigolbidies> -r maybe
[12:43] <Burgundavia> azad: rar is non-free
[12:43] <Burgundavia> azad: if you are creating an archive, use straight zip or gzip
[12:43] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: ah, aptitude can handle it :)
[12:43] <azad> hm kay
[12:43] <azad> thanks
[12:43] <Burgundavia> azad: if you really want to rar, there is a rar non-free in the mulitverse
[12:44] <azad> no.. doesn't matter
[12:44] <azad> how to select the output folder?
[12:45] <Zevin> #flonee
[12:45] <Zevin> you around flonne?
[12:46] <MrBrightside> Today is a good day, to die.
[12:47] <Dreamer3> ok, i should do this upgrade from the console?
[12:48] <MrBrightside> what do you guys think of Gentoo linux?
[12:49] <Fikrann> Dreamer3, if you are using GNOME and the upgrade includes some GNOME libs/binaries, its best to run the upgrade from console.
[12:50] <sml> hi
[12:50] <MaRk-I> hi all and help!!!!
[12:50] <sml> there are plenty of people here to help - 421! my first time here and I am amazed!
[12:50] <Fikrann> MrBrightside, the idea behind Gentoo is good but the system is not. Too many things break and/or work partially.
[12:51] <sml> i spent the weekend trying to install gentoo on a ppc - what a waste of time!
[12:51] <MaRk-I> 3 days and my eth0 wont connect to internet any ideas??? (i checked forums and there was something about editing dhclient.conf for a missing comma but there was no "interface-mtu")
[12:51] <sml> have you tried the ipconfig command?
[12:52] <MaRk-I> hhmm no
[12:52] <azad> ipconfig?
[12:52] <MaRk-I> what would that do??
[12:52] <sml> who could help with some screen resolution questions on a ppc?
[12:52] <Fikrann> sml, I've installed Gentoo on various boxens, including PPC and SPARC.
[12:53] <ACID|net>  i want to use my laptop on my floor (carpet) as a wireless media centre until i can actually afford a proper one - but will keeping it on carpet mess it up??  Cause it to overheat - if so what should i put it on??
[12:53] <griffith> anyone here got any experience with msi rs480 mb (based on the ati xpress 200 chipset) on ubuntu?
[12:53] <Fikrann> sml, I found out that the amount of work required to get that system running greatly outweights any advantages it might have.
[12:53] <Jimbob> Anyone know why the stock ubuntu kernel would have it's ata/1 process spike at 100% CPU?
[12:54] <Jimbob> (2.6.10-5, that is)
[12:54] <sml> sorry - ifconfig!!
[12:54] <Fikrann> Jimbob, what chipset?
[12:55] <Jimbob> P4+HT, ICH5
[12:55] <Jimbob> Sorry, "ata/0" process
[12:55] <sml> Fikrann ... wow .. interesting to hear ... i tried working through the process with 2005.0 and must have messed up some steps! :(
[12:56] <Fikrann> sml, I've stopped installing new Gentoo in favour of Ubuntu }:>
[12:56] <sml> i thought you said gentoo had great advantages? why did you go to ubuntu?
[12:58] <jme> Hello everybody
[12:59] <Dreamer3> any last warning before upgrading to hoary?
[12:59] <Dreamer3> i've put my system back in as pristine a shape as i think i could
[12:59] <sml> i have an Apple eMac running very smoothly with Ubuntu - however the screen res is 1024x768. I am trying to increase to 1280x1024 - who could help?
[12:59] <malte`> are the repos already in the RC state?
[01:00] <Dreamer3> malte`: i dunno
[01:00] <Dreamer3> malte`: if not, darn close
[01:00] <griffith> please help. I've got a new mb and want to install ubuntu on my system. but when I try to install or run the live cd my usb mouse and keyboard dosen't work
[01:01] <rjb> well ok, bye bye ubuntu ;) hoary sure isn't ready to be installed on a server..
[01:01] <griffith> I've got them working before on my old system with ubuntu
[01:01] <Dreamer3> rjb: why?
[01:01] <resiak> griffith: Try enabling usb kb+mouse support in your bios
[01:01] <rjb> cu in a couple months, maybe ;)
[01:01] <griffith> so I guess it's something with the mb
[01:01] <Dreamer3> rjb: and of course, it's not even released!
[01:01] <griffith> allready done that
[01:01] <Dreamer3> :)
[01:02] <rjb> Dreamer3: deb unstable has been working for me for several years now :)
[01:02] <Dreamer3> rjb: well, stay with that then
[01:02] <MaRk-I> 3 days and my eth0 wont connect to internet any ideas??? (i checked forums and there was something about editing dhclient.conf for a missing comma but there was no "interface-mtu")
[01:02] <black_nightmare> hey there
[01:03] <Dreamer3> rjb: no one should need to switch from debian unless they just want the cool or "preconfigured" factor... and honestly apps are faster due to how they linked them (i noticed comin from sarge)
[01:03] <rjb> i would but the current installer doesn't support the NIC on my new box
[01:03] <griffith> usb kb+mouse is enabled in my bios
[01:03] <black_nightmare> any of you mind telling me where grub.conf is?
[01:03] <ruffian> Is there a shortcut to Terminal?
[01:03] <Dreamer3> ouch 84mb of stuff changed :(
[01:03] <malte`> anyone here is using Kubuntu?
[01:03] <rjb> Dreamer3: but ubuntu's doesn't, either
[01:03] <malte`> i'd like to install it on my parents' pc
[01:04] <resiak> griffith: Is there any particular reason you don't feel like prefixing your answer with my name so that I notice what you said?
[01:04] <resiak> griffith: Not that I have any further ideas, but.
[01:04] <black_nightmare> hm...anyone?
[01:04] <Fikrann> black_nightmare, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:04] <black_nightmare> ty fik
[01:05] <Dreamer3> sheesh, and not even pushed to the mirros yet
[01:06] <griffith> sorry resiak. how do you do that?
[01:07] <resiak> griffith: Does that really deserve an answer?
[01:08] <griffith> resiak: no
[01:08] <resiak> griffith: But for what it's worth, try typing the first letter or two of someone's nick, then pressing tab.
[01:08] <resiak> griffith: :)
[01:08] <griffith> resiak, thanks
[01:08] <black_nightmare> fik..if I had to add 'ACPI=off' it wouldn't matter if it was at the end of the text file or is there specific location?
[01:09] <black_nightmare> I have random shutdown error...seem to be related to acpi so
[01:09] <griffith> resiak, do you think I'm the only user trying to get a ati xpress 200 chipset work with ubuntu?
[01:09] <Fikrann> black_nightmare, you need to put it in the kernel parameter line.
[01:09] <resiak> griffith: Not a problem. You'll find that people you're talking to notice you answering more quickly. WRT your USB problem -- I have no other ideas, except plugging in a ps/2 keyboard. No, I doubt you're the only one :)
[01:09] <black_nightmare> fik....umm where?
[01:10] <corza> can someone help me out with samba and printer sharing?
[01:11] <Fikrann> black_nightmare, add it to a line like this one: kernel          /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda2 resume2=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash
[01:11] <griffith> black_nightmare, I guess I'll have to try to find a adapter then
[01:11] <griffith> black_nightmare, but shouldn't it be able to work anyway?
[01:12] <airox> Is there some way to run a command as root and allow to give the maximum of cpu time to be given ??
[01:13] <snowblink> airox: man nice
[01:13] <black_nightmare> fik...there's several of these lines but then anyhow..I would have to add my line just before the 'savedefault' step I take it?
[01:14] <airox> snowblink: Thanks!
[01:14] <black_nightmare> hey once again airox :
[01:14] <black_nightmare> :p
[01:14] <Fikrann> black_nightmare, these lines correspond to what you see on screen during bootup. So choose the one you're using.
[01:14] <black_nightmare> fik..ughh the first one would be the default one?
[01:14] <Fikrann> Most probably
[01:15] <black_nightmare> hmm so I'll add 'ACPI=off' to the end of the kerenl line?
[01:15] <black_nightmare> or somewhere else
[01:15] <Fikrann> yes
[01:16] <Mikee> hi, I have 4gb freespace and 512 mb of ram, how should i partition this space?
[01:16] <black_nightmare> "kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash ACPI=off" ... I guess thats correct now wouldn't it?
[01:17] <Fikrann> Mikee, one 4GB Reiserfs/XFS partition, plus swapfile on it if you really need that much vram.
[01:17] <pvanhoof> How come there isn't a  "/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/build" ?
[01:17] <pvanhoof> and which package would provide it
[01:17] <pvanhoof> or, how can I build it from source?
[01:17] <Dreamer31> ok, rutgers is being slow now
[01:18] <Dreamer31> so i need another good us mirror
[01:18] <Dreamer31> is is there a generic us server?
[01:18] <black_nightmare> hm...fik? :p
[01:18] <Fikrann> pvanhoof, kernel-headers should be the package you want.
[01:18] <pvanhoof> Fikrann, well, thats a virtual package
[01:18] <Fikrann> black_nightmare, yes, though I'd move acpi=off before 'quiet splash'
[01:18] <pvanhoof> however, there isn't version for the current kernel
[01:18] <black_nightmare> ok one second
[01:19] <Mikee> Fikrann i heard , if i have different partition for my files and my system, my sys will be faster
[01:19] <Fikrann> pvanhoof, that I can't help you with.
[01:19] <airox> I want to compile rivatv and installed the linux-headers-2.6.10-5. However it is complaining about that it cannot find the headers. Do I have to symlink something ?
[01:19] <black_nightmare> "kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro ACPI=off quiet splash" hope thats it
[01:20] <Fikrann> Mikee, if you really have only 4GB for Linux, go for one partition. Any other setup will simply waste your disk space needlessly.
[01:20] <Mikee> thx
[01:22] <Dreamer31> can you do dist-upgrade from inside aptitude?
[01:22] <airox> Hmm I seem to have solved it with another headers package. Now it says I should use a newer gcc ... But gcc is already the newest version. :(
[01:23] <Fikrann> Dreamer3, no
[01:24] <Dreamer31> darn
[01:24] <black_nightmare> ok...next time I shut down..hope the error doesn't appear now :p
[01:24] <Dreamer31> i need a fast US mirror
[01:24] <Dreamer31> us.archive.ubuntu.org seems slow too
[01:25] <Guerin> Dreamer31: kill the porn torrents
[01:25] <HiddenWolf> Guerin: not stylish
[01:25] <Dreamer31> Guerin: yeah, righ
[01:25] <Fikrann> black_nightmare, remember that this parameter is passed to kernel at boot time, so it'll work only after next boot. Besides, what machine you have? ACPI doesn't work okay on old machines...
[01:26] <black_nightmare> fik...oh ok ty
[01:26] <airox> I have a athlon cpu (NOT xp). Which kernel would be best ? k7 or 686 ?
[01:26] <azad> how to show file size in the console of a file
[01:27] <black_nightmare> yeah mine doesn't seem that much to most people but it works fine for me (slot1 too anyhow) :p
[01:27] <Fikrann> black_nightmare, I see
[01:28] <Fikrann> airox, I think k7
[01:28] <black_nightmare> need figure finding a second ram stick to make this thing a tad faster soon ;)
[01:28] <vixus> Hello... how do I get Ubuntu to run a bash command on boot as root?
[01:29] <kev0r> vixus: go to the System menu, select Preferences, goto Sessions
[01:29] <njan> kev0r, that would be onlogin, not onboot
[01:29] <kev0r> add to startup programs the line you want
[01:29] <njan> kev0r, it also wouldn't run as root
[01:29] <kev0r> it would if you put sudo in front of it
[01:30] <MaRk-I> 3 days and my eth0 wont connect to internet any ideas??? (i checked forums and there was something about editing dhclient.conf for a missing comma but there was no "interface-mtu")
[01:30] <njan> kev0r, then it'd be an interactive command, and would require you to intervene (to enter a password) to get it to work
[01:30] <vixus> kev0r: You'd have to type in the password.
[01:30] <njan> kev0r, besides, you'd need gksudo :)
[01:30] <airox> vixus: Add a script in /etc/init.d and symlink it to the appropriate runlevels
[01:30] <kev0r> idd, was just searching for the graphixal xommand hehhee
[01:30] <kev0r> gksudo it is :)
[01:30] <airox> vixus: contents of the script:#!/bin/sh
[01:30] <vixus> airox: I'm a newbie, so... help me out if possible.
[01:31] <vixus> contents of which script
[01:31] <airox> vixus: Put this in the script:
[01:31] <airox> #!/bin/sh
[01:31] <vixus> ok.
[01:31] <airox> comaand > file
[01:31] <airox> or something like that
[01:31] <vixus> What will that do?
[01:31] <airox> just a plain text file
[01:31] <baran> merhaba
[01:31] <black_nightmare> any of you even used ubuntu's hibernate?
[01:31] <eugenesan> hi all, how do i enable root logins?
[01:31] <airox> black_nightmare: Yep.
[01:32] <airox> vixus: Just check out the /etc/init.d/ dir. There are greate example script in there.
[01:32] <baran> hi all,how r u?
[01:32] <vixus> airox: I put it in the command script? o_O
[01:32] <vixus> airox: Thanks
[01:32] <airox> I can't explain the whole thing unfortunately :(
[01:32] <kev0r> O_o
[01:33] <black_nightmare> airox...yeah well I decided to try it a first time (I didn't want to go through the annoying shutdown beeping but I was quite tired at like 10:40pm with others already ASLEEP so..) and when I came down in the morning I noticed the power light was off that I was wondering if there was something wrong so...I turned it on waiting for the worse but then instead.....
[01:33] <black_nightmare> it kinda surprised me... it loaded grub as normal but then suddenly my desktop appeared ... none of the kernel loading or ubuntu startup :)
[01:33] <black_nightmare> I got to love that lol
[01:33] <airox> :)
[01:33] <airox> suspend to disk or ram ?
[01:33] <black_nightmare> airxo...dunno but I'll tell you..when I came down in morning..the psu was off....that what kinda worried me for a second
[01:33] <vixus> airox: Which one is the example =D
[01:33] <topyli> how sad. a colleague: "topyli, do you have any good templates for our department's working papers series?" me: "sure, a latex template." her: "oh, i use word." me: "for such large and complex documents?" her: "what's latex?"
[01:34] <black_nightmare> but..then I guess yeah it did suspend
[01:34] <airox> vixus: all of them ;)
[01:34] <njan> topyli, you must not work in IT.. I just read that and went 'yeah, and?' :p
[01:34] <airox> black_nightmare: There is suspend to ram (then it will use power) and there is suspend to disk (then it will not use power, called hibernate mostly).
[01:35] <topyli> njan: hehe
[01:35] <black_nightmare> airox..yeah I guess it was the hd (where else could the psu be shutting off heh)
[01:35] <black_nightmare> remind me to use that feature when I need to be away/sleeping for several hours
[01:35] <black_nightmare> :p
[01:35] <airox> :P
[01:35] <vixus> airox: Do I just copy the script to /etc/init.d?
[01:35] <airox> You can even put windows to sleep and bootup linux :)
[01:36] <black_nightmare> lol nah
[01:36] <vixus> airox: You can!!
[01:36] <vixus> airox: how? XD
[01:36] <airox> black_nightmare: When suspending the uptime also stays :)
[01:36] <black_nightmare> airox..so I guess shutdown and hd-hibernate are both full power-off except the latter is quicker to come back up?  (only difference being if you needed to make changes you'll have to use the plain old reboot I take it?)
[01:36] <azad> how to see the size of a file in the console?
[01:37] <black_nightmare> airox...why do people keep bickering about uptime?? it makes no sense to me :
[01:37] <black_nightmare> :|
[01:37] <airox> ;)
[01:37] <airox> black_nightmare: It's just nice to say that your linux machine didn't crashed for over 100 days ;)
[01:37] <airox> (offcourse that example is bad from security view)
[01:38] <black_nightmare> airox....I think thats a bit useless myself
[01:38] <tuukkah> azad, ls -lh
[01:38] <black_nightmare> if it already can do tasks that you open just fine then its already stable
[01:38] <black_nightmare> ;)
[01:38] <airox> Well if you have a server it's very important ;)
[01:38] <njan> airox, some DHCP servers have issues with that
[01:39] <azad> thanks tuukkah
[01:39] <njan> airox, windows doesn't let go of the dhcp lease when it sleeps, and some DHCP servers - especially embedded ones, like linksys routers - will get confused because when linux tries to acquire a dhcp lease and not give it one.
[01:39] <airox> I was pointing to things like webservers etc.
[01:39] <Dreamer32> do i need to be in single user more or any such jaz to dist-upgradE?
[01:39] <njan> airox, just fyi; I've had problems with that before ;)
[01:40] <Dreamer32> *mode
[01:40] <njan> Dreamer32, no.
[01:40] <airox> hehe
[01:40] <Dreamer32> njan: will it work from inside X? :)
[01:40] <airox> Damn! I just did a upgrade off 40MB and right after it I need to do an 56MB upgrade ...
[01:41] <Dreamer3> airox: that won't happen after release
[01:41] <njan> Dreamer32, not only will it work inside X, there's even a graphical client for using apt prettily in X. (synaptic)
[01:41] <Dreamer3> njan: i meant dist-upgrade :)
[01:41] <Dreamer3> njan: should i expect that to work from X as well? :)
[01:41] <airox> Well I don't mind it updating a lot :)
[01:41] <njan> Dreamer32, of course.
[01:42] <airox> But it's strange it that close right after each other.
[01:42] <airox> hehe
[01:42] <airox> Well you do need to reboot in order to use the new kernel offcourse.
[01:43] <njan> yeah. And gnome especially has issues when you start updating bits of it.
[01:43] <black_nightmare> airox...so true
[01:43] <njan> but it'll still 'work', it might just start behaving really strangely, and bits of it may die :p
[01:43] <Dreamer3> well, when they declare RC i think i'm going to upgrade, i'm all prepared
[01:44] <Dreamer3> afj
[01:44] <Dreamer3> afk
[01:44] <njan> Dreamer3, I've uninstalled a compiled version of xfree whilst x was running before now, compiled xorg *in* X, and then ctrl-alt-backspaced out of X, and startx'd into xorg before now ;)
[01:44] <Super400> Ubuntu convert/newbie here <--
[01:44] <njan> heya, Super400 :)
[01:44] <Super400> njan, heya
[01:44] <njan> welcome to ubuntu, Super400; hope you enjoy it ;)
[01:45] <Daehlie> so people in the ##linux channel are convinced that ubuntu is a cult, have I been brainwashed by this distro?
[01:45] <black_nightmare> daehlie...don't listen to stupid people
[01:45] <black_nightmare> fik :p
[01:45] <njan> Daehlie, no. There is no brainwashing. You are fine. Everything is fine. Ubuntu is your friend. You do not want to use other linux distributions.. :p
[01:45] <Super400> njan: whats the g 2.10 mime problem about
[01:45] <black_nightmare> njan LOL :p
[01:46] <Daehlie> i like ubuntu
[01:46] <Daehlie> mmmm
[01:46] <Daehlie> ubuntu
[01:46] <airox> I noticed that there was a device database program in ubuntu the last update. Is there a place where you can view the results of what people inserted or something ?
[01:46] <kresten> Hi! Does anybody know how to install divx?
[01:46] <black_nightmare> is apt-get supposed to be a root command or no?  just wondering
[01:46] <topyli> Daehlie: shall we take you to our leader now?
[01:46] <vixus> Does anyone actually pronounce it "Yewbewntew"?
[01:46] <vixus> I remember someone doing that.
[01:47] <Super400> njan: cant seem too get mp3 playback working iwth rhythmbox and gstreamer .... any ideas ?
[01:47] <Daehlie> well, as a rule I would say no, but for some reason I am compelled to say yes
[01:47] <topyli> hehe
[01:47] <Daehlie> and I don't remember how I got here
[01:47] <airox> :)
[01:47] <black_nightmare> anyone?
[01:47] <Daehlie> yes
[01:47] <Daehlie> apt-get is root
[01:47] <njan> Super400, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:48] <black_nightmare> ah ok ty
[01:48] <airox> Is `apt-get source` also only root ?
[01:49] <black_nightmare> could someone verify  something for me?
[01:49] <black_nightmare> it says that 'apt-get gaim-encryption' is error
[01:49] <topyli> airox: i guess not if you don't apt-get source --build
[01:49] <njan> black_nightmare, apt-get install
[01:49] <black_nightmare> but someone told me to get that
[01:49] <black_nightmare> oh DUH
[01:50] <black_nightmare> jeeze...sorry lol
[01:50] <njan> black_nightmare, :)
[01:50] <Daehlie> you need an arguement telling apt what to do
[01:50] <black_nightmare> shut up!!! lol
[01:50] <njan> black_nightmare, happens to the best of us :p
[01:50] <black_nightmare> jeeze....I'm still sooo 'begineer' :p
[01:50] <black_nightmare> njan...yeah yeah ok
[01:50] <Daehlie> beginner
[01:51] <black_nightmare> :p
[01:51] <Daehlie> ./me is third person, no "my" allowed =P
[01:52] <black_nightmare> how could I check if I have something installed or not from terminal?
[01:52] <Daehlie> daehlie 2, black_nightmare 0
[01:52] <black_nightmare> or do I have to open up synaptic fo rthat?
[01:52] <vixus> ma me ma mo, ma moo ma mey... Singing off kwy....
[01:52] <topyli> ooh. this channel is going to be _so_ "correct" ;)
[01:52] <petemc> black_nightmare: dpkh -l|grep your_search_term
[01:52] <petemc> dpkg -l
[01:52] <airox> black_nightmare: dpkg --get-selections | grep <whateveryouneed>
[01:52] <airox> -l ? cool :)
[01:52] <black_nightmare> it says command not found petemc
[01:52] <vixus> airox: -l list
[01:52] <petemc> i corrected myself
[01:52] <black_nightmare> airox...let me try that one
[01:53] <black_nightmare> oh ok
[01:53] <corza> what is the mozilla-firefox path?
[01:53] <vixus> corza... it's in bin somewhere.
[01:53] <topyli> corza: who wants to know? a plugin installer?
[01:53] <black_nightmare> hmm if it returns me to the prompt again with no further text this means I wouldn't have it?
[01:53] <corza> topyli: no gmail
[01:54] <corza> topyli: i'm installing a notifier
[01:54] <black_nightmare> anyone?
[01:54] <vixus> Hey, is there a way to get ogre3d working on ubuntu?
[01:54] <mkjp> ?
[01:54] <topyli> corza: the executable is in /usr/bin, the rest is in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox or something like that
[01:55] <black_nightmare> someone want to explain this to me?? ....
[01:55] <black_nightmare> Package acroread is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[01:55] <black_nightmare> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[01:55] <black_nightmare> is only available from another source
[01:55] <black_nightmare> E: Package acroread has no installation candidate
[01:55] <black_nightmare> *sighs*
[01:55] <airox> black_nightmare: Added multiverse and universe ?
[01:55] <topyli> not much to explain there :)
[01:55] <black_nightmare> airox..how do I do that in terminal now?
[01:56] <airox> black_nightmare: vim /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:56] <vixus> black_nightmare: Use the Synaptic package manager elsewise.
[01:56] <black_nightmare> deb hoary universe is already uncommented (did that before for synaptic)
[01:56] <mkjp> or kynaptic
[01:57] <black_nightmare> so any idea about apt-get not finding reader?
[01:57] <njan> black_nightmare, afaik, you have to download and install the binary for acroread
[01:57] <airox> You don't have to afaik.
[01:57] <njan> black_nightmare, I don't think it's distributed under licensing which allows you to package it for installation, and the latest version of it is too new to be packaged anyway
[01:58] <topyli> black_nightmare: marillat has acroread 5
[01:58] <topyli> adobe has acroread 7
[01:58] <njan> airox, sure? I haven't touched acroread with apt, but iirc, portage made me download the binary separately because of license restrictions..
[01:58] <black_nightmare> so you saying acroread is in the repositiories for nothing?
[01:58] <airox> njan: If marrillat has it I got it from there :/
[01:58] <njan> airox, fair enough :)
[01:58] <njan> if it's there, it's there.. I have 7 installed direct from binary anyway..
[01:59] <topyli> but acroread 5 is no better than xpdf anyway
[01:59] <black_nightmare> let me see if acroread-plugin even exists then....
[01:59] <black_nightmare> how do you quit vim anyhow?
[02:00] <topyli> black_nightmare: ESC, then :wq (to save & quit)
[02:00] <mkjp> how mount drivers???
[02:00] <black_nightmare> I think there's something strange going on
[02:00] <black_nightmare> root@ubuntu:/home/ubuntuboy # dpkg -l|grep acroread-plugin
[02:00] <black_nightmare> root@ubuntu:/home/ubuntuboy #
[02:00] <black_nightmare> it doesn't even have that neither :|
[02:01] <topyli> black_nightmare: it goes hand in hand with the reader, so C. Marillat is the keeper of the plugin as well
[02:01] <topyli> Keeper of the Plugin
[02:02] <black_nightmare> bastard...hm....guess at least I think I might have noticed ubuntu installing xpdf......but I wonder why its not in the applications list
[02:03] <airox> Why can marrilat have acroread and the ubuntu repositories can't btw ?
[02:03] <topyli> christian has Balls
[02:03] <black_nightmare> any of you know if its possible to have a helper program being hidden from the applications list?
[02:03] <Fikrann> airox, acroread is highly proprietary and not very good.
[02:03] <black_nightmare> I think I'm sure ubuntu installed xpdf when it was installing itself
[02:04] <Fikrann> airox, use various free pdf viewers. xpdf, kpdf etc etc.
[02:04] <topyli> black_nightmare: you don't need xpdf in the menus. you rarely want to look at an empty xpdf :)
[02:04] <black_nightmare> topy...what do you mean?  isn't it easier to load program then open the file sometimes?
[02:04] <black_nightmare> and what if I want to look at any preferences?
[02:04] <black_nightmare> :p
[02:04] <topyli> it is?
[02:05] <topyli> when?
[02:05] <Fikrann> black_nightmare, xpdf has no preferences.
[02:05] <njan> Fikrann, it's not Free, but acroread7 is actually a fair bit faster than gpdf or xpdf, and a whole lot better; xpdf basically treats pdf files as bitmaps, which makes redraws really slow, and it has no support for comment tracking or DRM, which obviously acroread7 has.
[02:05] <black_nightmare> remind me of the time I figured out that loading java before opening a game that needs it was quite a lot faster than java trying to open itself and the game loading at the same time
[02:05] <black_nightmare> but then..anyhow that was on two windows computers
[02:05] <njan> Fikrann, I'd far rather use xpdf than acroread, but in terms of functionality, acroread is a whole load better.
[02:06] <Fikrann> njan, I have a whole lot of PDF files that don't work/work terribly in acroread for linux, while looking okay in kpdf.
[02:06] <tuukkah> the new kpdf is cool
[02:06] <waxhead> bzflag is cool fun... pity I get hammered in it
[02:06] <topyli> waxhead: sorry about that :)
[02:06] <khj> Hi everybody! Do you guys know how to setup divx?
[02:06] <njan> Fikrann, I can't comment on kpdf, I've never used it. acroread 5, or acroread 7?
[02:07] <njan> khj, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:07] <waxhead> topyli, how so..
[02:07] <Fikrann> njan, don't know, but I guess 5.
[02:07] <njan> Fikrann, 5 is terrible; try 7.
[02:07] <Fikrann> njan, I stopped using acroread some time ago.
[02:07] <topyli> waxhead: i thought i could fool you into thinking we've just met on the servers :)
[02:07] <njan> Fikrann, 7 actually has gtk widgets, and therefore doesn't look like some monster from the tarpits on my desktop. And as mentioned, it is better than gpdf or xpdf.
[02:08] <waxhead> topyli, I'd have been surprised, given I don't use the same call sign..
[02:08] <jme> Hello,
[02:08] <topyli> imposter
[02:08] <waxhead> topyli, and the action is so feirce that I'm not sure how you'd find time to message... barely get time to figure out what's going on
[02:09] <jme> I need some help, whne i tries to install some software i have this error Des erreurs ont t rencontres pendant l'excution:
[02:09] <jme>  samba
[02:09] <jme> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:09] <jme>  does someone know what is wrong?
[02:09] <topyli> waxhead: true. i never was a great bzflag success. or q3a. or armagetron. or... :(
[02:09] <waxhead> anyone got bluetooth working in ubuntu?
[02:09] <waxhead> I can seem to connect (bind) and the file transfer thing says it's ready, but how do I do it?
[02:11] <khj> njan, Thanks. I'm looking into it now.
[02:11] <elcu> What's the difference b/n 2-6 and 2-7 packages here: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xorg/
[02:13] <topyli> elcu: somebody wasn't happy with the -6 packages, so they were fixed and a new build was made
[02:13] <waxhead> anyone else not able to resolve www.google.com.au?
[02:13] <njan> james@anubis ~/Desktop $ host google.com.au
[02:13] <njan> google.com.au has address <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:13] <njan> google.com.au has address <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:13] <njan> google.com.au has address <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:14] <elcu> topyli: thanks.  so i should go for the 2-7s?
[02:14] <usual> works here
[02:14] <njan> james@anubis ~/Desktop $ host www.google.com.au
[02:14] <njan> www.google.com.au is an alias for www.google.com.
[02:14] <Fikrann> elcu, yes
[02:14] <topyli> elcu: just do apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and see what it suggests
[02:15] <topyli> no need to browse the repositories
[02:15] <waxhead> that's a surprise I have to install traceroute
[02:15] <elcu> topyli: actually there is.  i don't have a net connection under ubuntu, so i'm copying them over.
[02:15] <waxhead> can anyone get to google currently?
[02:15] <topyli> elcu: oh, well then
[02:16] <usual> i can
[02:16] <black_nightmare> is 'apt-get update' the same as the 'system updates' icon from close to the clock?
[02:16] <glyne> hello
[02:16] <elcu> fikrann: righto.
[02:16] <EricNeon> hi~
[02:16] <MaRk-I> waxhead: yes
[02:16] <topyli> black_nightmare: not sure. the update-notifier is a userspace program, it shouldn't be able to actually apt-get update
[02:17] <glyne> which x server is running on Hoary ? Xorg or Xfree86 ?
[02:17] <topyli> xorg
[02:17] <black_nightmare> oh hm ok
[02:17] <hyphenated> can someone tell me what the current release name and version is? I'm confused by hoary and warty and 4.10 and 5.04 ...
[02:17] <MaRk-I> what a headache
[02:17] <hyphenated> (even after checking thru the website)
[02:17] <black_nightmare> let me see what 'apt-get update' brings (since I just already did a system updates yesterday night lol
[02:17] <topyli> black_nightmare: then again, there may be a system daemon on the background, and the notifier just queries that daemon
[02:18] <khj> Is there an easy-to-install video package that includes divx avi support?
[02:18] <glyne> khj : try mplayer
[02:18] <topyli> (15:07:00) njan: khj, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:19] <Fikrann> khj, you'll find Xine easier to use.
[02:19] <black_nightmare> ahh 'apt-get update' actually just updates the repositiores/etc for apt-get
[02:19] <black_nightmare> go figure..seperate things I guess
[02:20] <topyli> black_nightmare: apt-get update still needs to be run as root
[02:20] <glyne> where can i find the drivers of the ATI RADEON IGP 340M working with xorg?
[02:20] <Fikrann> glyne, on Ati's website?
[02:21] <black_nightmare> I knew that already topyli :p
[02:21] <glyne> i try to use the framebuffer but it doesnt work :/
[02:21] <black_nightmare> what is 'apt-get upgrade' anyhow?
[02:21] <petemc> man apt-get
[02:21] <topyli> black_nightmare: i'm just saying, the notifier can't do that because it's a user process. so there has to be a daemon with more privileges on the background
[02:21] <Fikrann> black_nightmare, it upgrades your system to new release. Usually not needed.
[02:22] <black_nightmare> fik..ah ok
[02:22] <topyli> Fikrann: you're talking about dist-upgrade. upgrade doesn't do that
[02:22] <black_nightmare> I never knew of apt-get update thou...will have to keep that in mind
[02:22] <khj> glyne, took a look at mplayer... Does not look easy to me.
[02:23] <Fikrann> topyli, er, yes
[02:23] <black_nightmare> fik..heh sometimes I'm confused too!! :p
[02:23] <topyli> black_nightmare: just install wajig and administer your box with a single command :)
[02:24] <guptan> Why my language is not properly displayed in Ubuntu, whom shall I contact to know more about this issue?
[02:24] <black_nightmare> topyli..what the heck is 'wajig' ?? :p
[02:24] <topyli> black_nightmare: hold on, i'll look up a link for you
[02:24] <Fikrann> guptan, what language is that?
[02:24] <airox> Hmm. It seems the nvidia module isn't loadable when I want to use the 2.6.0-5-k7 kernel. The x.org logfiles sais it can't load the module. What could be the problem ???
[02:24] <black_nightmare> ok
[02:25] <Fikrann> airox, do you have nvidia kernel module properly installed and modprobed?
[02:26] <airox> When I do a modprobe nvidia it sais it can't find the module :S
[02:26] <Fikrann> Then you have your answer.
[02:26] <topyli> black_nightmare: here's a summary. it's a great summary. i wrote it myself. it's great. http://uclinux.info/wiki/index.php/Maintaining_a_Debian_box_with_Wajig
[02:26] <airox> But what could I do to get that module ? Because it was there in 2.6.10-4-386 ...
[02:27] <guptan> Fikrann, its an indic language named "Malayalam"
[02:27] <airox> I have reinstalled several nvidia packages (nvidia-kernel-common, nvidia-glx) but it doesn't seem to work :(
[02:27] <Bazzi-> 128mb dist-upgrade again *sigh*
[02:28] <topyli> Fikrann: perhaps it's not supported by gnome and other upstream projects? if so, you should let them know
[02:28] <Fikrann> airox, you need nvidia-kernel package for your kernel.
[02:28] <topyli> Fikrann: sorry, i mean guptan ^^^
[02:28] <airox> Fikrann: Well ... that package isn't available :(
[02:28] <guptan> Fikrann, ubuntu installs font for it by default, but display and rendering is bad
[02:28] <airox> Should I compile them from source then ?
[02:29] <guptan> topyli, do u think Ubuntu will install a font that is not supported by GNOME?
[02:29] <dockane> when i change my desktop theme from classic to simple, the marked menue entries in firefox get completely white, so the entry itsself is no more readable
[02:29] <Fikrann> guptan, most probably the font is of poor quality .. and/or the characters used in strings are in different encoding than that used by the font.
[02:30] <Super400> njan: thx man that page worked wonders
[02:31] <Bazzi-> is there a tool out there which shows me my current cpu speed on the desktop (pentium m)?
[02:31] <topyli> guptan: could be. perhaps you'd still want to use it in openoffice or mozilla
[02:31] <guptan> Fikrann, what about the rendering engine? is it PANGO?
[02:31] <Super400> njan: any experience with getting nvidia drivers ?
[02:31] <dwa_> Bazzi- yes
[02:31] <dwa_> a gnome applet
[02:31] <Bazzi-> apt-gettable?
[02:31] <black_nightmare> gnome applet....hmm that reminds me...
[02:31] <dockane> Bazzi : its called CPU Frequency Scaling Monitor
[02:31] <black_nightmare> is there like a list of them or not really?
[02:32] <topyli> guptan: anyway, file a bug in the ubuntu bugzilla. the good folks at ubuntu will find out who's to blame :)
[02:32] <Bazzi-> is it packaged (under which name)?
[02:32] <dwa_> Bazzi- : right click on your panel and press add to panel
[02:32] <Fikrann> guptan, How can I know?
[02:32] <dwa_> then look under the C ;)
[02:32] <guptan> topyli, I will do that for sure
[02:32] <dockane> Bazzi : check synaptic packet management if gnome applets are installed, if not install them for CPU Frequency Scaling Monitor
[02:32] <Bazzi-> oh yeah got it already
[02:33] <Bazzi-> thanx
[02:33] <guptan> Fikrann, I was just wondering, who is to be blamed? is it the font or unicode rendering engine?
[02:33] <maddler> morning all
[02:34] <black_nightmare> ah nevermind I found the list in 'add to panel...' :)
[02:34] <dockane> Bazzi, when you click onto that panel, are you able to choose your frequency ?
[02:34] <Fikrann> Bazzi, you might want to use gkrellm and gkx86info plugin .. its much more fun.
[02:34] <Fikrann> not to mention accurate ..
[02:35] <Bazzi-> lol geyes is a cool applet
[02:36] <gnurt> how install ubuntu on exist distro?
[02:36] <Fikrann> guptan, probably there are problems in both!
[02:37] <airox> Bazzi-: checkout torsmo also ;)
[02:37] <kbrooks> gnurt, do you want ubuntu and the existing distro side by side
[02:37] <topyli> gnurt: switching distributions, you should reinstall
[02:38] <guptan> seems like gnurt is bothering everyone with pvt msgs
[02:40] <waxhead> anoyne using evolution and an ldap server?
[02:40] <gnurt> kbrooks, what does "side by side" mean?
[02:40] <black_nightmare> not both for me sorry waxhead
[02:41] <gnurt> topyli, yes switching distro is my choice
[02:41] <waxhead> just wondering if anyone has noticed how slow evo is with the name resoltion with ldap... of if I have something not configured right
[02:41] <topyli> gnurt: means you're going to have to reinstall
[02:42] <topyli> gnurt: wipe out the old system, install the new one. if you have /home on a separate partition, you can save it
[02:43] <gnurt> topyli, ftp install? i have no cdrom on my machine
[02:43] <topyli> gnurt: not sure if ubuntu supports ftp installs
[02:43] <waxhead> ok time for bed... cya
[02:44] <topyli> gnurt: maybe you could install a debian base system and upgrade to full-blown ubuntu
[02:46] <Bazzi-> arrr where can I config torsmo?
[02:47] <Bazzi-> note to self: why not considering reading the man pages?
[02:49] <dockane> i installed the gkrellm package ... where do i find it ?
[02:53] <garrut> dockane: what are you looking for?
[02:53] <gnurt> topyli, thank but i will ask my friend for cdrom
[02:53] <dockane> garrut, i am looking for a working sped step applet
[02:54] <dockane> garrut, the one in the gnome applets does not work
[02:54] <gnurt> topyli, now proz 'ing hoary-preview-install-i386.iso from a mirror
[02:54] <garrut> and gkrellm?
[02:54] <dwa_> dockane : i'm guessing the gnome one and the gkrellm use the same resources
[02:55] <dwa_> so probably the gkrellm one doesn't work either
[02:55] <dwa_> try this: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[02:55] <dwa_> and: cat /proc/cpufreq
[02:56] <dwa_> that is to show you if speedstep is working
[02:56] <topyli> gnurt: that's the best way
[02:56] <BazziM> mmmh
[02:56] <topyli> gnurt: btw, don't /query me, i'm going downtown now
[02:56] <BazziM> I just got my speedstep applet to work ;9
[02:57] <dockane> dwa_, well it works unless i only need for monitoring. (cat /proc/cpufreq works) but the help to the gnome applet says if the list for choosing the right frequency is not shown ask you admin : and here i am
[02:57] <topyli> gnurt: in fact, don't /query anybody before asking, it's rude. i don't mind much, but some people do
[02:58] <dwa_> dockane : ok, didn't know that was your goal
[02:58] <dwa_> try this: apt-get install gnome-cpufreq-applet
[02:59] <dwa_> and add that applet to your panel instead of the build-in one
[02:59] <gnurt> topyli, are i still welcome here?
[03:00] <topyli> gnurt: sure, no problem. just ranting :)
[03:01] <dockane> dwa_, is the old one now overweritten or do i have to take care WHICH one i use ?
[03:01] <dwa_> dockane : no, you can choose between the two
[03:01] <trygvebw> Hi! Does anyone know of a program for Linux that can print CD Labels directly onto special CD's like Lumatrons?
[03:01] <topyli> gnurt: anyway, the cd install will be a breeze. the debian ftp install -> ubuntu upgrade is just "doable"
[03:02] <dwa_> hi garrut
[03:04] <dockane> dwa_, ok done : the icon in the panel has a new look, scaling list on left klick still does not appear :(
[03:05] <dwa_> strange dockane
[03:06] <dockane> dwa_, how do i choose the old one ?
[03:06] <dwa_> and the cat .. commando's i gave were working ok?
[03:06] <dwa_> the old is still in the list
[03:06] <dwa_> under the old name
[03:06] <dockane> dwa_, yes they do work
[03:07] <dwa_> dockane : apt-get install cpufreqd
[03:07] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[03:07] <dockane> dwa_, no : "add panel" gives only one
[03:07] <dwa_> that;s another alternative
[03:07] <dwa_> should give 2
[03:07] <dockane> dwa_, does not
[03:08] <dwa_> mm well now that doesn't really mather now does it ? ;)
[03:08] <dockane> not really
[03:08] <dwa_> you can try the cpufreqd one
[03:09] <dockane> dwa_, i even wouldnt have taken care about this applet if it scaled my cpufrequency right for mobile usage. but it went on with full / nearly full frequency
[03:10] <Lightboy> just wondering whats the latest warty kernel
[03:10] <trygvebw> 2.6.8, i think
[03:10] <Lightboy> coz i would like the latest one and its headers for an amd64-k8
[03:10] <trygvebw> ahhh
[03:13] <Lightboy> is there a way i can find the latest kernel?
[03:13] <Bizzeh> svn
[03:14] <Bizzeh> check out svn://svn.reactos.com/trunk/reactos with any svn app
[03:17] <blackfeet> hi
[03:18] <Bizzeh> woops
[03:18] <Bizzeh> wrong channel
[03:18] <blackfeet> does anybody know something about jack and ubuntu?
[03:19] <garrut> my uncle jack? he runs windows..
[03:19] <blackfeet> garrut: nearly the sound server jack
[03:20] <dwa_> jack the ripper?
[03:20] <dwa_> jack the dvd ripper
[03:20] <garrut> no he's dead
[03:20] <blackfeet> dwa_: also nearly, the sound server
[03:22] <dwa_> blackfeet : sorry don't know anything about jack the sound server
[03:23] <{joey}> aweh
[03:23] <garrut> jaweh?
[03:23] <dwa_> aweh?
[03:23] <blackfeet> dwa_: np, i only wantet to know if they want to implement it as standard, because i have troubles with the sound (non-esd programms like skype)
[03:24] <dockane> are there any knwon problems wit crystal sound chips in thinkpads and integrated mics ? everything works fine regarding sound but no the integrated mic (thinkpad t21)
[03:24] <dwa_> blackfeet : did you try alsa with dmix?
[03:24] <delire> blackfeet: i tend to turn off esd
[03:24] <delire> dockane: ouch, you're still going with that..
[03:24] <Simira> jdub: ping
[03:24] <delire> dockane: so there's simply no input on the microphone
[03:25] <dockane> delire, yes
[03:25] <blackfeet> delire: yes, if i have a problem i turn also off
[03:25] <blackfeet> dwa_: alsa and dmix?
[03:25] <delire> dockane: ouch.. any erros? did you turn up IGain in alsamixer?
[03:26] <delire> blackfeet: ok, and does that work?
[03:26] <dockane> delire, alsamixer did not came up after apt-get
[03:26] <dockane> derlire , should i try it again ?
[03:26] <delire> dockane: right, but did it install?
[03:26] <blackfeet> delire: yes, but than i'm not able to play 2 sounds at the same time
[03:26] <dockane> delire, yes
[03:26] <delire> dockane: try it again. also try installing 'alsaconf' this can sometimes fix any weirdness
[03:27] <delire> blackfeet: ahah, you mean xmms playing music and another program playing sound as well?
[03:27] <blackfeet> delire: yes
[03:27] <delire> blackfeet: this is a known problem with non-multichannel sound cards
[03:28] <delire> blackfeet: the way sound is done in linux doesn't allow multiple sound applications to use the card. this is what ALSA is for
[03:28] <dockane> delire, the interesting thing is soon get an accoustic feedback when in play with pcm output and mic input volume
[03:29] <blackfeet> delire: isn't alsa standard in ubuntu?
[03:29] <delire> blackfeet: are you using ALSA? go to a terminal and type 'lsmod | grep snd' and see if there are any drivers listed there with 'snd' in the name. these will be ALSA (Advanced Linux Sound Architecture) drivers
[03:29] <delire> blackfeet: i think so, we just have to find out if you're using it.
[03:30] <delire> dockane: hmm, well that's a start. you don't see the record meter rise in audacity or another recording application?
[03:30] <blackfeet> delire: yes, i found some things with lsmod | grep snd
[03:30] <blackfeet> delire: but not every programm can use alsa, some need the oss like skype, and i can't use 2 from that at the same time
[03:31] <delire> blackfeet: ok good that alsa is there. what is your sound card?
[03:32] <blackfeet> delire: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)
[03:33] <dockane> delire, what do you mean ? producing a accoustic feedback and watching the record meter ?
[03:33] <carambol> how i cange in xchat Show servers list?
[03:33] <carambol> *change
[03:33] <delire> dockane: just while attempting any sound input..
[03:34] <carambol> iam disabled it, but want it back
[03:34] <delire> blackfeet: yeah, that's not a multi-channel card. do you really need to applications with sound ouput at the same time?
[03:34] <dockane> delire, record meter is flat when testing the mic. i do not have the possiblity to check any other input.
[03:35] <blackfeet> delire: hehe, for that reason i asked what about jack
[03:35] <delire> blackfeet: jackit.sf.net is good, but only for programs that use it
[03:36] <delire> dockane: have you tried to run 'alsaconf'? it may be that your mic does not have an entry in /etc/modules.conf. alsaconf will write this correctly for you.
[03:36] <delire> dockane: at least a correct entry ..
[03:36] <delire> blackfeet: is that what you mean when you say 'jack'?
[03:37] <delire> blackfeet: i use 'jack' often for making music, i don't think skype supports it. xmms does however.
[03:38] <blackfeet> delire: yes, i mean this jack, mom
[03:38] <delire> blackfeet: ;)
[03:38] <delire> blackfeet: what are the two applications you want to mix/connect?
[03:39] <pat910> I just got Hoary installed, I have no sound, Box is an older ibm which says it has 'soundblaster' onboard... what's my steps to troubleshoot/fix sound?
[03:39] <njan> This is really odd.. I've changed sources.list on a warty machine to hoary and I'm dist-upgrading it.. and consistently, every time it gets to downloading the sears-media package, the kernel gives input/output errors for *EVERYTHING*.. the entire machine just needs hard rebooting, because it's effectively dead...
[03:39] <delire> dockane: FYI because alsaconf will want to write to a file outside of /home/dockane you'll need to be root.
[03:40] <delire> pat910: type 'lsmod | grep snd' see anything?
[03:40] <blackfeet> delire: it's not a big problem at time, but i want to know in general what about ubuntu and sound
[03:40] <delire> pat910: we have to find if the drivers are loaded.
[03:40] <Montagh> i had a similar thing with warty, i entered sb somehwere in a config file that fixed it
[03:40] <delire> pat910: 'lsmod' == list modules
[03:41] <blackfeet> delire: but for example if i turn skype off, my gaim has no sound ;(
[03:41] <blackfeet> delire: oh sry of cause if i turn esd off
[03:41] <delire> pat910: if in doubt 'apt-get install alsaconfig' and then run it.
[03:41] <delire> blackfeet: no problem. make sure ESD is off always. it gets in the way.
[03:41] <pat910> lsmod .. nothing
[03:42] <delire> pat910: alsaconf == Advanced Linux Sound Architectute Configurator
[03:42] <blackfeet> delire: but i want to have sound in gaim
[03:42] <delire> pat910: right. install the above package i mentioned.
[03:42] <pat910> k
[03:42] <maggi> here is the deal. I just recently typed apt-get dist-upgrade the other day, and it went well. Except that I can not change resolution anymore. It always stays at 640X480. How do I fix this?
[03:43] <Fackamato> add them to your x config
[03:43] <Fackamato> (the other resolutions you want)=
[03:43] <dockane> delire , what does "FYI"
[03:43] <dockane> *mean
[03:43] <delire> blackfeet: you should have sound in gaim... how annoying for you. FYI == for your information
[03:43] <maggi> how do I aproach x config?
[03:43] <delire> maggi: to edit it?
[03:44] <maggi> yes
[03:44] <pat910> says it's install .. but calls it alsa-utils
[03:44] <delire> maggi: do you mean this one? 'less /etc/X11/XF86Config-4'?
[03:44] <delire> pat910: that's cool. try running 'alsaconfig' now
[03:44] <pat910> installed
[03:44] <pat910> k
[03:44] <pat910> as root I presume?
[03:44] <maggi> just the one to change the resolution
[03:44] <delire> yes
[03:45] <delire> maggi: yes, the one I mentioned above. can you use the editor 'vim'?
[03:45] <pat910> no such animal
[03:45] <delire> maggi: ok do this..
[03:45] <blackfeet> delire: why is in ubuntu esd standard, when 50 per cent of the applications aren't working with it?
[03:45] <MaRk-I> in network tools if I ping i.e. www.google.com and get a response is my eth0 working??
[03:45] <delire> pat910: you tried it as root?
[03:45] <pat910> # al
[03:45] <pat910> alias      alien      alsactl    alsamixer
[03:46] <pat910> that was with a tab
[03:46] <pat910> yes as root
[03:46] <delire> blackfeet: i agree, it should be taken out. ESD is used for gnome system sounds, but it a bit unneccessary. you should tell the Ubuntu team your thoughts.
[03:46] <pat910> root@ubuntu:/home/pat #
[03:46] <delire> pat910: ok.. now 'apt-cache search alsaconfig'
[03:47] <pat910> nothing
[03:47] <tuukkah> delire, what would you suggest that would let several programs produce sound at the same time ?-)
[03:47] <delire> pat910: well that's a shame, you should have alsaconf on board now. hmm <thinks>
[03:47] <pat910> let me look in the gui package manager thingie .. brb
[03:48] <carambol> /etc/x11/xorg.conf
[03:48] <delire> tuukkah: well that is hard to solve without jack supporting applications. his problem here is that he can't hear anything from Gaim without ESD activated.
[03:48] <glyne> can someone help me please ?
[03:49] <Hansiman> I can't find my hard drives through the Ubuntu CD when trying to install
[03:49] <glyne> i got an ATI radeon and i'm running hoary
[03:49] <blackfeet> delire: i think they should take jack as standard, with oss emulation and write a script so that everything is automatically connected with everything
[03:49] <Hansiman> anyone know what to do? or what details I need to give so people can help me?
[03:49] <malte`> when will Ubuntu Release Candidate be released today????
[03:49] <glyne> the framebuffer doesn't work :/
[03:49] <pat910> alsa base and alsa-utils are installed
[03:50] <delire> pat910: try install 'alsa-base' it seems that also provides alsaconf sometimes
[03:50] <pat910> sez they are both installed ..
[03:50] <delire> blackfeet: i absolutely agree. Gnome and KDE should invest in it as opposed to working around it.
[03:50] <pat910> what is the force it to reinstall command?
[03:50] <tuukkah> blackfeet, esd and esddsp has worked for a long time already
[03:51] <Seveas> apt-get install --reinstall
[03:51] <Seveas> 01101000 01101001 00100000 01101101 01100101 01101101 01100010 01110010 01100101 01111001 01100001 00100001
[03:51] <blackfeet> tuukkah: but esddsp dosent work with view programms, they need a real alsa simulated dsp device
[03:51] <membreya> 0100 1110001<PHONE_NUMBER> 0001110
[03:52] <Seveas> membreya, learn to speak proper binary :)
[03:52] <membreya> sorry, I don't have a l33t script like you :(
[03:52] <maggi> I still can not change my resolution to higher than 640X480
[03:52] <membreya> make me one for konversation
[03:52] <membreya> maggi: get a decent vid card :P
[03:52] <tuukkah> blackfeet, what are view programs?
[03:52] <delire> pat910: when you type 'apt-cache search alsaconf' do you get the output 'alsa-utils'?
[03:52] <membreya> sorry if I appear obnoxious, I'm drinking :P
[03:52] <Seveas> membreya, the script isn't leet, it's simple
[03:52] <maggi> ha....ha....ha... membreya
[03:52] <Seveas> and i don't use k*
[03:53] <Hansiman> anyone?
[03:53] <delire> maggi: ok you need an editor. first become root at the terminal
[03:53] <membreya> Seveas: and therein lies your flaw
[03:53] <maggi> I have nano and pico
[03:53] <maggi> I a root now
[03:53] <Seveas> membreya, no, k* is crap im(ns)ho :)
[03:53] <blackfeet> tuukkah: skype, vlc, ..
[03:53] <membreya> lol :P
[03:53] <membreya> kde is pretty :P
[03:53] <Hansiman> the problem started today, after I got a GeForce card
[03:53] <membreya> especially once you reduce the font sizes
[03:53] <apokryphos> Seveas: that's sad to hear. ;)
[03:53] <Seveas> pretty ugly ;)
[03:53] <delire> maggi: do you know how to use nano?
[03:54] <carambol> dpkg -reconfigure xserver-xorg,maggi
[03:54] <Seveas> but let's stop the madness, people are looking for help here
[03:54] <apokryphos> ahem
[03:54] <Hansiman> like me :p
[03:54] <maggi> carambol there was no xserver xorg
[03:54] <maggi> I tried that ;)
[03:54] <delire> maggi: are you sure there is no gui in the system setting menu that might help you better?
[03:54] <Seveas> xserver-xorg
[03:54] <Seveas> with the dash
[03:54] <delire> maggi: editing these files without experience can make a mess
[03:54] <carambol> maggi u are in hoary?
[03:55] <maggi> no. I think warty
[03:55] <maggi> the 4.10
[03:55] <Seveas> Hansiman, hi
[03:55] <delire> carambol: she needs to choose her resolution settings.
[03:55] <maggi> I typed apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade my distro
[03:55] <Hansiman> Seveas: hi
[03:55] <maggi> and after that it fucked up
[03:55] <Seveas> what do you mean with "can't find hd's"
[03:55] <javiolo> when warty will be updated to hoary ?
[03:55] <carambol> u have to change the horys and VertRefresh rate
[03:55] <Hansiman> well, I have 4 hd's in my computer
[03:55] <carambol> look in the monitor manual for the values
[03:55] <Hansiman> and for some reason, today, my computer will only find 2 of them, after they worked all yesterday
[03:55] <Seveas> ata/sata/scsi?
[03:55] <prego> Gnome apps toolbars behave weirdly in Hoary since some time ago. For instance, if I drag Gedit toolbar out of the window then I cannot move it again nor reattach it to the window. I've seen that I can move it using ALT+mouse but it does not reattach. Am I the only one?
[03:56] <delire> pat910: BTW, alsaconf can also be invoked with it's path: '/usr/sbin/alsaconf'
[03:56] <maggi> could it help to recompile the kernel?
[03:56] <Seveas> Hansiman, ata/sata/scsi disks?
[03:56] <prego> Hansiman: Have you seen them at the bios during bootup?
[03:56] <maggi> I mean compile a new kernel
[03:56] <Hansiman> ide
[03:56] <Seveas> hmm
[03:56] <Seveas> ok
[03:56] <delire> maggi: no. what is the problem by the way? is it all too small?
[03:56] <carambol> no u have to edit the values...
[03:56] <maggi> delire: PM
[03:57] <dockane> delire, i checked the properties of alsa-utils, there is no alsa-conf within this packet and sudo alsa-conf does work
[03:57] <Seveas> if the bios sees them, copy the output of lspci somewhere (a pastebin or so)
[03:57] <Seveas> if the bios doesn't see them, fix that first :)
[03:57] <dockane> *not
[03:57] <delire> dockane: how about 'alsaconf'?
[03:57] <Hansiman> argh, it goes by to fast to see >_>
[03:58] <dockane> delire the same
[03:58] <Hansiman> I can't see it in the bios, the screen goes by way to fast
[03:58] <Hansiman> there's no way I can read that fast
[03:58] <Kheldon|Uni> hello :)
[03:58] <Seveas> Hansiman, well, then just try the lspci thing :)
[03:59] <Kheldon|Uni> Anybody around to give me a hand?
[03:59] <Hansiman> Seveas: how do I do that?
[03:59] <Seveas> in a terminal type: lspci
[03:59] <apokryphos> Hansiman: you might like to try pressing Scroll Lock while it's loading
[03:59] <Seveas> your harddisks bust be listed there
[03:59] <Hansiman> apokryphos: scoll lock does nothing
[03:59] <Kheldon|Uni> How do I get my touchpad mouse to work in Ubuntu?
[03:59] <Dave2|Laptop> Hey. When using DHCP, is there any way to force a nameserver to be used first?
[04:00] <delire> dockane: hmm that's silly.
[04:00] <Kheldon|Uni> I cna't move or click with the mouse at all
[04:00] <Dave2|Laptop> (I'm using Hoary)
[04:00] <Hansiman> lspci is not a command in ubuntu install cd
[04:00] <pat910> I had already done the 319 pkg upgrades .. but found 15 more that had to be masaged to be installed .. I'll try again after that gets done
[04:00] <delire> pat910: yes, do that...
[04:01] <Kheldon|Uni> Anybody?
[04:01] <peyre> hello
[04:01] <Hansiman> my Ubuntu disk is one of the disks that I can't find
[04:01] <Dave2|Laptop> Kheldon|Uni, using a Synaptics touchpad?
[04:01] <Kheldon|Uni> yes
[04:01] <Dave2|Laptop> Hm
[04:01] <Dave2|Laptop> Actually, you should be able to move the mouse anyway
[04:01] <Dave2|Laptop> it should emulate a PS/2 mouse
[04:01] <Kheldon|Uni> it doesn't, I can't move the mouse :/
[04:02] <delire> Dave2|Laptop: hey dave. you in Ubuntu there now?
[04:02] <Dave2|Laptop> Never had that happen; my touchpad has always emulated a PS/2 mouse.
[04:02] <Dave2|Laptop> delire, yup
[04:02] <delire> Dave2|Laptop: some of these kids haven't got alsaconf on board. what provides it in Ubuntu?
[04:02] <Kheldon|Uni> heard there was some command or something to put in to enable the touchpad to work
[04:02] <delire> <-- Debian
[04:02] <Kheldon|Uni> anyway, back later
[04:02] <prego> Hansiman: did you try the hard disk detection under bios settings?
[04:03] <Dave2|Laptop> delire, I'm not sure
[04:03] <delire> maggi: ok.. editing the config. have you got an /etc/X11/XF86Config-4?
[04:03] <Dave2|Laptop> I don't remember specifically installing it
[04:03] <scizzo> y0
[04:03] <peyre> I need some help upgrading from Warty to Hoary
[04:03] <Dave2|Laptop> It's just in /usr/sbin/alsaconf
[04:03] <delire> Dave2|Laptop: do you have it? a few of these ppl need it, and it seems alsa-utils doesn't provide it.
[04:04] <delire> pat910: try /usr/sbin/alsaconf and if not there 'whereis alsaconf'
[04:04] <Dave2|Laptop> peyre, all I did was change "warty" to "hoary" in /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:04] <Hansiman> prego: how?
[04:04] <scizzo> peyre: there is a howto on ubuntulinux.org
[04:04] <Dave2|Laptop> I probably did something wrong, but it seems to work
[04:04] <delire> maggi: as root do this 'vim /etc/X11/XF86Config' and follow these instructions exactly
[04:04] <Dave2|Laptop> delire, this is ubuntu
[04:04] <prego> Hansiman: depends on the computer, but probably pressing <del> key during startup
[04:05] <Hansiman> yeah, found that one ;)
[04:05] <Hansiman> but the rest
[04:05] <Dave2|Laptop> delire, it's hard to become root :P
[04:05] <prego> Hansiman: that throws you into bios settings....
[04:05] <scizzo> peyre: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[04:05] <peyre> Yes, I have followed that to the "T" but I keep running into a problem. I've posted on the forum but nobody knows the answer
[04:05] <delire> Dave2|Laptop: nah she says she's root. if not sudo passwd root will do it
[04:05] <Dave2|Laptop> ah
[04:05] <Dave2|Laptop> yeah, that's what I did
[04:05] <scizzo> peyre: what problem?
[04:06] <Flonne> `sudo gedit <file>` is the preferred method, from everything I've read.
[04:06] <scizzo> peyre: could you give us the link to the forum place where the question is mentioned?