[00:41] <pleia2> added german and revised french translations of the startubuntu flyer to http://xubuntu.org/marketingresources/ \o/
[00:41] <pleia2> ooh, there's a danish one too /me adds
[01:08] <knome> aha
[07:11] <ochosi> Unit193: seemingly not, this is the place it checks for global default configurations of the plugin. best to submit an issue on github about it
[07:17] <Unit193> No GH account. :P
[07:26] <elfy> knome and anyone else interested - beta 1 is now marked ready
[08:43] <Unit193> Howdy, cub.
[08:43] <cub> Morning!
[09:13] <Unit193> jjfrv8: Line 50 of your merge proposal, that isn't actually opening the Applications Menu if we do go with whiskermenu.
[09:15] <Unit193> (Also, not just indicators but notification area too, but that's even more minor.)
[10:26] <elfy> knome: I've done draft announcements - I assumed you wanted 2 - the pad made it look like that to me
[10:29] <starrats> just let you all know that just finished update/upgrade/dist-upgrade and now a new one popped in term about not needing certain items and to do apt-get autoremove and all wen quite well.
[10:50] <starrats> Just a question, are the little notes that I tell you here bother or help you as a user coming here?
[10:51] <elfy> they don't bother me - but I tend to skim them unless there's an issue :)
[10:51] <elfy> they might bother other people though ;)
[10:54] <starrats> ah okay if they bother then I won't relay them unless it becomes and issue but then it's usually to late, at least for me
[10:55] <elfy> well we are working on the dev version - so any issues either should have or need a bug report, regardless of whether it's too late for you or not
[12:01] <schproodle> What does 'ready' mean here: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/312/builds
[12:02] <schproodle> 'Upgrade Xubuntu i386 (ready)'
[12:03] <elfy> that it is marked as ready for release
[12:04] <schproodle> elfy, What other testing for xubuntu should I explore?
[12:05] <elfy> http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/306/builds/55995/testcases
[12:06] <elfy> packages if you want - specifically the Xubuntu Networking and Xubuntu Trusty Additional groups at the bottom
[12:13] <slickymasterWork> schproodle: what elfy is referring to is http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/306/builds/55995/testcases
[12:13] <slickymasterWork> ups, elfy already had provided you the link
[12:14] <schproodle> Yes, thanks.
[12:26] <schproodle> Wish I could get the Guest Additions installed on vm -- lousy 640 x 480 resolution.  Doesn't seem to work on 14.04 vm.
[12:31] <slickymasterWork> schproodle: what virtualization software are you using?
[12:31] <slickymasterWork> Oracle VirtualBox?
[12:32] <knome> elfy, one for the blog, one as the full notes in the wiki
[12:32] <schproodle> yes, seems to work for Debian vm but not for 14.04
[12:32] <slickymasterWork> what version?
[12:33] <slickymasterWork> is it 4.3.8?
[12:33] <slickymasterWork> and what VBGuestAdditions version are you using?
[12:34] <schproodle> 4.2.16 on 13.10
[12:35] <slickymasterWork> schproodle: you have to update them. Thing is your VBoxGuestAdditions version doesn't recognize the latest release of X.Org Server, which is now 1.15 in Trusty, so they fail to install
[12:35] <schproodle> 4.2.16_86992
[12:36] <slickymasterWork> schproodle: ^^
[12:36] <schproodle> right, do I have to upgrade vbox too
[12:37] <slickymasterWork> I would advise to do so
[12:38] <schproodle> that is the one in the respository for 13.10 however.  Sorry, I am not more adroit.
[12:42] <slickymasterWork> schproodle: you can download VirtualBox 4.3.8 for Linux from https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads. Just make sure you download the right file for your architecture (32bit or 64bit)
[12:44] <schproodle> yes, I just found that.  got the deb
[12:46] <slickymasterWork> ok, once downloaded all you have to do is to navigate into the folder where you downloaded, open a terminal there and run sudo dpkg -i <file_name>.deb
[12:47] <schproodle> seems I have to remove guest additions first however
[12:47] <schproodle> the old version  Using synaptic to clear out the old vbox
[12:48] <schproodle> I will get the new Guest stuff but there is another addition for usb, can't remember
[12:53] <schproodle> extension pack??
[13:00] <elfy> knome: don't understand what you mean
[13:03] <knome> elfy, the release *announcment* is meant for the blog
[13:03] <knome> elfy, the release *notes* are meant for the wiki, along with the usual common infrastructure -changes
[13:05] <elfy> oic
[13:06] <elfy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Beta1 or something
[13:06] <knome> well something in those lines
[13:07] <elfy> without the roadmap bits :p
[13:07] <knome> lol
[13:07] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/Xubuntu/Beta1
[13:07] <elfy> anyway - I hate fighting the stupid wiki
[13:07] <knome> hmm wait
[13:07] <knome> hah
[13:07] <knome> leave that to me then ;)
[13:07] <knome> not that...
[13:07] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/Beta1/Xubuntu
[13:07] <knome> that
[13:10] <knome> did the first version of that
[13:10] <elfy> yep
[13:11] <elfy> I'll do the bug links if you like
[13:11] <knome> nah, i'm on it
[13:11] <elfy> ok
[13:12] <elfy> knome: the announcement just needs the torrent/download links when we get them - and you to decide you don't like the way it looks :)
[13:15] <knome> does the users-admin bug actually stop you from adding a new user?
[13:16] <knome> also, is the USC bug happening every time?
[13:16] <elfy> user-admins lets you add user and set it up
[13:17] <elfy> and I doubt it for USC
[13:17] <knome> so, what's the crash?
[13:17] <knome> just crashes after it has added the user?
[13:17] <elfy> but then the keyboard one won't affect anyone other than people with a gb layout
[13:17] <elfy> yea - crashes after close of it seemingly
[13:19] <knome> ok, just updated the wikipage
[13:19] <knome> check if those are accurate descriptions
[13:19] <elfy> not easy to decide which to mention - the kbd one affects me - the network share one I'd not take any notice of
[13:19] <elfy> looking
[13:19] <knome> well at least we have now user-understandable descriptions to look at
[13:19] <knome> and decide
[13:20] <knome> updated
[13:20] <knome> s/GB/British/
[13:20] <elfy> Thunar doesn't automatically removable - missing mount
[13:21] <elfy> Both xscreensaver light-locker are active - missing and
[13:22] <knome> feel free to edit :P
[13:22] <knome> i've dropped the edit lock
[13:22] <elfy> thought you still had lock :)
[13:22] <elfy> well you did when I looked lol
[13:23] <elfy> ok - all done then
[13:24] <knome> ok, good
[13:24] <slickymaster> Unit193: changed the changelog according to what we discussed -> See revision 149
[13:24] <knome> now should look at the announcement
[13:25] <slickymaster> Unit193: I think is good to be merged now
[13:26] <knome> hmm, yeah...
[13:26]  * knome drops "new wallpaper" from the notes
[13:26] <knome> we don't have that yet :P
[13:29] <knome> elfy, which issues do we want to pick for the announcement?
[13:29] <knome> i'm not sure if there is actually any *really annoying* one
[13:29] <knome> looking at the list we have in the notes
[13:30] <knome> except maybe the xsreensaver/light-locker one, but that's only on suspend
[13:30] <elfy> well - everyone will get the xfdesktop one
[13:30] <elfy> thunar and usb's has been going on for ages so ...
[13:30] <knome> yah
[13:30] <knome> maybe those
[13:31] <elfy> probably just the new ones - xfdesktop, network shares, xscreensaver/light-locker and a special mention for anyone with a gb keybord lol
[13:31] <knome> nah, i think that's fine not in the annoucement :P
[13:31] <elfy> :p
[13:32] <knome> so shares
[13:32] <knome> m
[13:32] <elfy> yea - just the 3 I'd say - it links to release notes
[13:32] <knome> 3? :P
[13:32] <knome> oh
[13:32] <knome> yeah....
[13:32] <elfy> :)
[13:32] <knome> i'm messing up with the annoucement
[13:34] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/?p=2152&preview=true
[13:34] <elfy> looks
[13:34] <knome> thinking some subheadings could do good for that :P
[13:35] <knome> updated
[13:35] <elfy> highlights and known issues
[13:35] <knome> further udpated
[13:35] <elfy> I was just about to say that lol
[13:36] <elfy> yea that looks ok to me
[13:36] <knome> yep, now just need the download links
[13:36] <elfy> yep
[13:36] <elfy> first one to see them edit and publish?
[13:36] <knome> worksforme
[13:36] <knome> well,
[13:36] <knome> publish only after it's official ;)
[13:37] <knome> but yep, that's what we should do
[13:37] <elfy> yea of course
[13:37]  * knome goes poking the wiki, need to include the common known issues
[13:41] <knome> ok, the wiki should be in order
[13:42] <knome> ...and changed the link on the announcement to the correct url
[13:43] <elfy> thanks
[13:43] <knome> back to reading irc logs
[13:44] <elfy> lol
[14:05] <GridCube> elfy, knome, shouldnt it point the issue with no wallpapers shown in xfdesktop settings manager? i mean we are saying that there are new wallpapers avialable but people wont be able to find them
[14:10] <knome> GridCube, can you confirm that bug is still in beta1?
[14:11] <GridCube> yes
[14:11] <knome> is there a bug report for it?
[14:11] <GridCube> there is
[14:11] <knome> can you link us to that, and we'll make sure it's in the annoucement/notes
[14:11] <knome> i need to do some commercial work for a bit
[14:11] <GridCube> getting it
[14:11] <knome> bbiab
[14:11] <GridCube> here knome https://bugs.launchpad.net/xfdesktop/+bug/1271713
[14:12] <knome> elfy, ochosi ^
[14:13] <ochosi> still the case with xfdesktop4.11.3?
[14:13] <GridCube> its still there in the beta1 iso
[14:13] <ochosi> oh
[14:13] <ochosi> that's not a bug in xfdesktop
[14:14] <ochosi> i guess it's a bug in xubuntu-default-settings or something
[14:14] <ochosi> cause xfdesktop isn't pointing to a folder with wallpapers
[14:14] <knome> yep
[14:14] <ochosi> ok, will do a merge-request/fix for that then
[14:15] <jjfrv8> Unit193, not sure what you mean by "that isn't actually opening the Applications Menu"
[14:16] <ochosi> (i think he meant applications-menu isn't the same as whiskermenu, but frankly i don't think that matters for users)
[14:16] <ochosi> (two different plugins with the same purpose, so if you refer to them functionally, it's the same)
[14:17] <elfy> GridCube: you doing that now?
[14:17] <jjfrv8> yeah, I wanted some feedback on the terminology we should be using now. Like do we ever actually want to refer to it as "Whisker Menu"
[14:17] <jjfrv8> the only time ppl will actually see that name is when they go into Properties
[14:18] <GridCube> elfy, doing what
[14:18] <elfy> This content is currently locked. If you take over, GridCube will be blocked from continuing to edit.
[14:19] <GridCube> sorry
[14:19] <GridCube> closed the window
[14:20] <ochosi> jjfrv8: yeah, i personally wouldn't refer to it as whiskermenu
[14:20] <knome> maybe just refer to it as "menu"
[14:20] <knome> to avoid *any* ambiguity
[14:20] <jjfrv8> "main menu"?
[14:20] <knome> that's the friendly name for menulibre in the settings manager
[14:21] <jjfrv8> I think Main Menu in SM is still alacarte, Menu Editor is MenuLibre
[14:22] <knome> ah, that
[14:22] <knome> but anyway..
[14:22] <knome> it's used
[14:25] <elfy> done both pages
[14:26] <jjfrv8> and speaking of that, we've got three different names for Settings Manager. the WM tooltip says "All Settings", the actual dialog says "Settings", the menu entry says "Settings Manager".
[14:26] <knome> elfy, thanks
[14:27]  * elfy has been putting off a trawl through testcases for Application Menu
[14:27] <ochosi> jjfrv8: probably worth an upstream bugreport
[14:28] <jjfrv8> ochosi, where should I file that?
[14:29] <ochosi> jjfrv8: xfce4-settings on bugs.xfce.org. but i guess you need a full proposal on what to rename to what
[14:29] <ochosi> who would quickly wanna test a proposed setting for 14.04? (it takes about 1min)
[14:29] <GridCube> in the topic of beta1 bugs, #1284720
[14:29] <knome> bug 1284720
[14:30] <jjfrv8> ochosi, what you got to test?
[14:30] <GridCube> toz pointed why it fails, and it seems we dont ship the preset faces anymore (they are there in 13.10)
[14:32] <ochosi> run "xfconf-query -c xsettings -p /Gtk/IconSizes -s "gtk-button=16,16" in the terminal
[14:32] <ochosi> jjfrv8: ^ (and all others interested)
[14:33] <ochosi> that is a setting i'd love to have in 14.04 by default
[14:33] <ochosi> (16px icons on buttons instead of the huge-ish 22px)
[14:35] <jjfrv8> doesn't look like it changed anything for me
[14:36] <elfy> GridCube: the thing is - where do we stop listing bugs? page 2 or 3 or 4 :)
[14:36] <GridCube> oh
[14:37] <GridCube> i did not meant to list that on the news page, i just wanted for people to remember it exist P:
[14:37] <elfy> oic :)
[14:37] <GridCube> the wallpaper one i find important 'cos we say we have new wallpaper but they wont see them
[14:37]  * elfy still thinks that the gb keyboard one is important :)
[14:43] <ochosi> jjfrv8: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-02-27-154344.php (proposed look)
[14:44] <ochosi> jjfrv8: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-02-27-154410.php (current look)
[14:45] <jjfrv8> ah so. I agree. Looks nicer.
[14:46] <ochosi> everyone else, feel free to take a look at this ^ and try for yourselves
[14:46] <ochosi> (run "xfconf-query -c xsettings -p /Gtk/IconSizes -s "gtk-button=16,16" in the terminal, to reset set it to 22,22)
[14:48] <jjfrv8> for similar reasons, I like to set whisker to "very small"
[14:48] <GridCube> ochosi, i notice that the X on close changes icons between each size
[14:48] <GridCube> its prosible to have the bold X in the tiny icons?
[14:48] <ochosi> jjfrv8: the categories are set to 16px in my proposal, apps to 24px
[14:49] <ochosi> GridCube: yeah, i'd try to improve that
[14:49] <GridCube> the arrow remains basically the same
[14:49] <GridCube> i like the smaller button but the x looks not similar to the arrow
[14:51] <ochosi> well don't focus too much on the "x" right now
[14:51] <ochosi> it changes all icons
[14:51] <ochosi> just try it
[14:52] <ali1234> omg
[14:52] <ali1234> sort out the vertical alignment
[14:52] <ali1234> this is not KDE...
[14:53] <ochosi> what are you referring to exactly?
[14:54] <ali1234> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-02-27-154344.php
[14:54] <ali1234> icons are too high, text is too high
[14:54] <ochosi> say thanks to gtk2
[14:55] <ochosi> and it's only 1px
[14:55] <ali1234> also text is too high relative to the icon
[14:56] <ochosi> so you prefer the huge icons?
[14:57] <ali1234> i prefer the one where the icons are in the right place, yes
[14:57] <ali1234> the text is too high on both
[14:57] <ali1234> it should be 1px lower relative to the icons in both
[14:58] <ochosi> you're welcome to investigate that 1px, so far you seem to be the first person to notice/mention that
[14:58] <ali1234> actually i don't understand how the <- is even number of pixels tall and the X is odd number of pixels tall
[14:58] <ali1234> look at the middle of the <- - it is two pixels
[15:00] <ochosi> ok, before everyone keeps commenting on the close-icon, here's a different screenshot: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-02-27-160003.php
[15:00] <ali1234> gah that's even worse
[15:00] <ochosi> it's the same alignment
[15:01] <knome> ali1234, patches welcome
[15:01] <ali1234> two pixels padding at the top 4 pixels at the bottom
[15:02] <ochosi> gtk2 doesn't support that fine-grained-ness of theming
[15:02] <ochosi> you can work around it by redrawing all icons from 16x16 to 16x15 possibly
[15:02] <ochosi> (or it might even be further off then)
[15:02] <ali1234> i don't know about that... all i know is orion draws the icons and the text in the right place
[15:02] <ochosi> and anyway, doesn't solve your problem with the font
[15:03] <ali1234> what font is that?
[15:04] <ochosi> Droid Sans 9
[15:04] <ochosi> our default
[15:05] <ali1234> what icon set is it?
[15:06] <ochosi> orion has the same settings
[15:06] <ali1234> yeah, i just can't make my system look like your screenshot
[15:06] <ali1234> not even if i switch to greybird
[15:07] <ali1234> oh wait, yeah i can
[15:07] <ali1234> yeah that's definitely down to using a tiny font
[15:08] <ochosi> and it's only an "optical illusion" that the icon has a 1px offset
[15:08] <lderan> elfy, got that keyboard bug as well
[15:08] <ochosi> ali1234: 4px above and below: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-02-27-160754.php
[15:08] <ochosi> ali1234: it's just the bright inside border in greybird that makes it seem uncentererd
[15:08] <ali1234> right, so remove that
[15:08] <ochosi> right, no
[15:08] <elfy> lderan: yep - saw that - I'd hazard a guess that anyone with a gb keyboard will
[15:08] <ali1234> from the icon i mean
[15:09] <ochosi> yeah then i can change that one icon
[15:09] <ochosi> what about the others?
[15:09] <ochosi> also: the white bottom border has a purpose
[15:09] <ochosi> should help the icon stand out on darker backgrounds
[15:09] <ochosi> and anyhoo, the font is still uncentered then (which it is anyways)
[15:11] <ochosi> what really makes that icon seem uncentered is the white inner border of the button
[15:21] <ochosi> ali1234: you're using a different font-setup though anyways, right?
[15:21] <ali1234> probably
[15:22] <ochosi> if it consoles anyone, i'm not using this setup either
[15:23] <ochosi> i'm using "xfconf-query -c xsettings -p /Gtk/ButtonImages -s false"
[15:27] <ochosi> jjfrv8, GridCube: in case you wanna test one more setting ^
[15:29] <elfy> unsurprisingly elfy didn't see any change with any of them
[15:29] <elfy> really needs new glasses ...
[15:30] <ochosi> hihi
[15:30] <jjfrv8> ochosi, is that just supposed to set it back to the default of 22x22?
[15:31] <jjfrv8> oops, wait, didn't look closely enough
[15:32] <ochosi> jjfrv8: it should hide the icons actually
[15:33] <jjfrv8> yeah, I'm having to type the commands and I didn't see the difference. I like the icons, though.
[15:40] <ali1234> ochosi: do you know anything about the monitors.xml and the monitor config panel?
[15:40] <ali1234> especially wrt bug 1283615
[15:41] <ali1234> eg where does the xfce config panel save the settings? and what applies them at startup? and does it get run inside the greeter?
[15:44] <jjfrv8> bb later for the meeting
[15:44] <binali> Good Luck!
[15:45] <ochosi> ali1234: you mean the display dialog? that's part of xfce4-settings, so xfsettingsd is applying the settings
[15:46] <ochosi> and no, it's not running in the greeter yet
[15:46] <ali1234> i'm going to try to figure out why all the output names are off by one
[15:52] <GridCube> sorry ochosi i had to close the beta1 virtual machine it was eating too much resources and i needed to catalogue some stuffs, can i test it in this machine (13.04)
[15:52] <GridCube> ?
[15:53] <GridCube> oh, that takes the icons off the buttons, i like that ochosi, but remember that the icons help people who has some sort of reading disparity
[15:54] <GridCube> s/has/have/
[15:55] <brainwash> GridCube: you should upgrade your 13.04 system :)
[15:55] <GridCube> P: i will once 14.04 comes up
[15:56] <brainwash> fresh installation?
[15:56] <elfy> or fight upgrading an eol install :)
[15:57] <GridCube> P: will probably be fresh, yes
[16:11] <ochosi> ali1234: good idea, that doesn't happen with all drivers though. for me, it works with nouveau and is off by one with nvidia. display-settings work is fun!
[16:20] <elfy> GridCube: you know that 14.04 is pretty much solid as a rock anyway - then you could test things really easily :)
[16:23] <GridCube> mmm but the 14.04 vbox is stuck at 640x480 resolution, and to download the vbox addons i would have to figure out, again, how to mess with the internal settings so apt-get can actually bypass the proxy(given that there is no way to set up proxys in xubuntu) so, yeah, not gonna mess with that
[16:23] <elfy> ochosi: is there a good reason why hotkeys in gmusicbrowser don't work on other workspaces?
[16:23] <elfy> GridCube: oh - so you don't have xubuntu on hardware - I'd have kept quiet if I'd known that
[16:24] <GridCube> P:
[16:24] <elfy> GridCube: also - try getting a new vbox - works here now
[16:24] <GridCube> :D
[16:24] <ochosi> elfy: depends on what you mean. you can define hotkeys within gmusicbrowser, but afaik those need the window to have focus
[16:24] <elfy> yea - exactly what I mean
[16:24] <ochosi> elfy: you can also define global keyboard-shortcuts for gmusicbrowser in the keyboard-settings
[16:24] <GridCube> the vbox ihave is the only one IT will install for me
[16:24] <ochosi> elfy: check "gmusicbrowser -listcmd" for the available commands
[16:24] <elfy> GridCube: aah - okay - I'll shut up then
[16:25]  * GridCube goes to ot
[16:25] <elfy> ochosi: thanks :)
[16:25] <ochosi> elfy: no problem :)
[16:37] <elfy> ochosi - thanks, got those going now
[16:40] <crusador> I have a problem transferring complete files to an usb or hdd device with Emmabuntus2....sometimes the file is not totally transferd
[16:40] <crusador> Can anyone help
[16:41] <knome> crusador, we don't support emmabuntus 2
[16:41] <knome> crusador, and this is the development channel, not the support channel
[16:41] <crusador> sorry im new in linux
[16:42] <crusador> where can i get help
[16:44] <knome> crusador, http://forums.emmabuntus.org/
[16:44] <crusador> thank you so much
[16:47] <crusador> its not working...but thank you anyway
[16:47] <knome> you should ask for help from any emmabuntus support channel, or whatever they are offering
[16:48] <knome> we're unable to support derivatives that base on our system, because we don't know what kind of changes they might or might not have done
[16:48] <crusador> i got it thanks
[17:00] <ochosi> meeting in 1hr or in 2?
[17:00] <knome> 2
[17:00]  * ochosi is a bit confused right now
[17:00] <ochosi> ok
[17:00]  * knome slaps ochosi
[17:00] <knome> does that help with the confusion?
[17:01] <ochosi> i guess not
[17:01] <knome> hah
[17:01] <ochosi> in case i forget to announce that later, lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings is pretty much ready now
[17:01] <ochosi> (UI to configure every aspect of the greeter, incl. the position of the login-window)
[17:02] <GridCube> o:
[17:02] <GridCube> thats awesome
[17:03] <ochosi> hopefully we can get it in with a FFe
[17:04] <brainwash> ochosi: how do you launch it, so it can actually change the config file owned by root?
[17:05] <ochosi> pkexec
[17:05] <brainwash> ok
[17:05] <ochosi> the desktop-file will just contain that
[17:05] <ochosi> so like synaptic, it'll spawn a pwd-dialog
[17:06] <brainwash> sounds great :)
[17:06] <ochosi> it is :)
[17:08] <slickymasterWork> ochosi: just installed light-locker settings lderan did but when I try to run it I get ->Unable to start /usr/bin/light-locker-settings. Failed to execute child process /usr/bin/light-locker-settings (No such file or directory)
[17:09] <ochosi> slickymaster: you installed it from the PPA?
[17:09] <ochosi> gah
[17:09] <ochosi> slickymasterWork:
[17:09] <ochosi> ^
[17:10] <slickymasterWork> nopes, downloaded the tar and installed it
[17:10] <slickymasterWork> on B1
[17:10] <ochosi> then you messed that up :)
[17:10] <ochosi> just use the PPA
[17:10] <slickymasterWork> how come?
[17:11] <ochosi> i guess you'd have had to use parameters, frankly, i never installed it manually
[17:11] <slickymasterWork> I build it and then istall it
[17:11] <ochosi> when testing it, i just ran it from the folder without installing
[17:11] <slickymasterWork> what are the parameters?
[17:11] <ochosi> as i just said...
[17:11] <ochosi> i wouldn't know
[17:12] <slickymasterWork> ok
[17:12] <brainwash> where did you install it?
[17:12] <ochosi> you can also try to locate the binary
[17:12] <ochosi> maybe it ended up in /usr/local/bin
[17:12] <brainwash> the executable is apparently not where it should be
[17:13] <slickymasterWork> hmm, nopes
[17:15] <slickymasterWork> no wait, you're right, It went to /usr/local(bin/
[17:15] <ochosi> then "--prefix=/usr" would solve that problem most likely
[17:16] <slickymasterWork> yeaps, it did solve it
[17:18] <slickymasterWork> ochosi: the PREFIX value in the configure file is set to /usr/local
[17:18] <slickymasterWork> that's most likely the culprit
[17:19] <ochosi> slickymasterWork: that's normal, if you build and install more stuff by hand you'll notice
[17:20] <slickymasterWork> ochosi: confirmed. I've edited it to /usr and it's working as expected
[17:20] <ochosi> bbl
[17:21] <lderan> slickymasterWork, huzzah for it working as expected
[17:22] <brainwash> how did you try to launch it? via app menu?
[17:23] <slickymasterWork> lderan: the font color adverting to restart the session when you change the settings it's practicably unreadable. It's to light
[17:23] <slickymasterWork> brainwash: via settings manager
[17:24] <brainwash> mmh, so the binary path is hardcoded?
[17:25] <brainwash> inside the .desktop file I mean
[17:26] <ali1234> xfce4-settings won't build on trusty
[17:29] <GridCube> how would i test this patch? http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/commit/?id=05adaa59dbedd89b3e0ae6001ff367572c1be7d2
[17:30] <GridCube> what i have to do? (installing the guest addintions did show some results http://goput.it/b71i.png )
[17:30] <GridCube> but the non-active wallpapers are invisible until you clic on them
[17:30] <GridCube> also i don't see the community wallpapers, are they to be installed separadetly?
[17:31] <lderan> slickymasterWork, that bit appears fine for me, might be a theme issue. We're making a change to one of the sliders so will take a look at that :)
[17:33] <slickymasterWork> lderan: this is with Greybird and elementary Xfce darker
[17:35] <GridCube> ok, im want to answer in the lp bug report but i do not know how to apply the patch :/
[17:35] <lderan> thanks
[18:24] <ochosi> weird, so ppl are experiencing random problems with infobar-theming in greybird
[18:24] <ochosi> also read that wrt the greeter
[18:24] <ochosi> (if you enter a wrong password, an infobar, that should be red, pops up)
[18:25] <ochosi> sucky part is i can't reproduce it
[18:27] <GridCube> ochosi, let me see
[18:28] <GridCube> ochosi, http://goput.it/z4zk.png
[18:38] <ali1234> hah, i see the problem
[18:38] <ali1234> (with display settings)
[18:50] <ochosi> i'll be 15mins late for the meeting...
[18:52] <ali1234> mr_pouit: you broke the monitor settings :P
[18:55] <ali1234> (4 years ago)
[19:08] <ali1234> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10717
[19:09] <Noskcaj> o/
[19:21] <ochosi> so what's with the meeting now?
[19:22] <dockelley> Was it scheduled to start 20 minutes ago, or did I get the time wrong?
[19:22] <ochosi> yup, it ws
[19:22] <ochosi> was
[19:22] <ochosi> who's around? just to see whether it makes sense to have one
[19:22] <jjfrv8-work> o/
[19:23] <Noskcaj> o/
[19:23] <Noskcaj> knome?
[19:23] <ochosi> (if enough ppl are around, i can chair, but i need a few minutes to read up on the bot commands and the agenda...)
[19:23] <elfy> !team | meeting
[19:23] <elfy> I'm about
[19:24] <slickymaster> o/
[19:24] <slickymaster> did everyone forgot the meeting?
[19:25] <ochosi> maybe it wasn't added to the calendar or not announced vocally enough...
[19:26] <elfy> no idea how to add it to the calendar
[19:26] <slickymaster> I think Unit193 did it
[19:27] <ochosi> not sure how it is with you guys, but we can also wait a little longer to see whether more people come around
[19:28] <elfy> nothing to stop us
[19:28] <elfy> I'm cool with that ochosi
[19:28] <jjfrv8-work> me too
[19:28] <dockelley> no worries
[19:28] <ochosi> ok, let's check back in 30mins?
[19:29] <elfy> okey doke
[19:29] <dockelley> while we're waiting, is Beta1 going to drop today?
[19:29] <elfy> slickymaster: someone did - it's on the calendaty
[19:29] <slickymaster> I'll start on dinner prep in the meanwhile
[19:29] <elfy> sigh
[19:29] <elfy> calendar
[19:29] <elfy> dockelley: will be released soon
[19:29] <dockelley> :-)
[19:30] <slickymaster> I could bet that was Unit193 who did it elfy
[19:30] <elfy> yea :)
[19:30] <elfy> dockelley: you can get it if you want anyway - just grab it from the iso tracker
[19:30] <dockelley> thanks
[19:31] <elfy> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/312/builds
[19:31] <ochosi> ali1234: in your bugreport "all unconnected outputs" means monitors that arent attached with a cable to the computer but were connected in the past?
[19:31] <ali1234> no, it means all outputs regardless of whether they've ever been connected or not
[19:32] <ali1234> it only knows the current state
[19:32] <ochosi> outputs == connectors? (hdmi, dvi, vga, etc)
[19:32] <ali1234> yes
[19:32] <ochosi> ah ok
[19:32] <ali1234> xrandr deals with connectors and it uses the edid to get the monitor name
[19:32] <ochosi> but doesn't that mean ppl could try to activate an output where there's no cable?
[19:32] <ali1234> yes it does
[19:32] <ali1234> i am not familiar enough with the code to provide a real fix
[19:33] <ali1234> not yet anyway
[19:33] <ochosi> i'd consider that a bit of a backdraww
[19:33] <ochosi> mkay
[19:33] <ochosi> well, you've pinpointed the problem nicely
[19:35] <ochosi> it's been a longer while that i've had a look at the display code
[19:35] <ochosi> bluesabre also worked on it
[19:44] <slickymaster> afk
[19:52] <schproodle> QATracker: Transmission in Xubuntu Desktop for Trusty Daily.  How do I submit a bug report for Transmission -- link 'File a bug' giveThis product doesn't have detailed bug reporting instructions yet.'s 'show
[19:52] <elfy> ubuntu-bug
[19:53] <elfy> ubuntu-bug packagename
[19:54] <micahg> did someone say meeting?
[19:54] <ochosi> elfy: do you still consistently get the problem with the unreadable infobar in the greeter (when entering a wrong password)?
[19:54] <ochosi> hey micahg
[19:55] <micahg> hi ochosi
[19:55] <elfy> ochosi: funnily enough I looked a short while ago - still hardly readable
[19:55] <elfy> hi micahg
[19:55] <ochosi> elfy: hmmm :/ can't reproduce it though
[19:56] <ochosi> micahg: we decided to wait a bit since there was only 5 of us around at the actual meeting time
[19:56] <ochosi> micahg: btw, may i poke you to merge the remaining requests to the seed and upload it?
[19:56] <Noskcaj> micahg, what should i be working on in preparation for next time i apply for MOTU?
[19:56] <ochosi> micahg: there are also two -default-settings merge-requests that need merging..
[19:59] <micahg> ochosi: sure, but most likely slammed until Monday
[20:00] <micahg> Noskcaj: I'd suggest trying to be more aware of the impact of your uploads as well as being able to test build uploads more effectively
[20:00] <micahg> ochosi: ok, I've seen quite a few things come into my mailbox
[20:01] <micahg> I'll see if I can squeeze anything in
[20:01] <micahg> but that probably won't be until the weekend
[20:01] <ochosi> micahg: okeydokey, well the changes are quite easy to review, if you can at least merge them we can look for sponsors
[20:01] <schproodle> elfy, got it. Bug #1285843  Thanks.
[20:04] <elfy> guess we should call the whole thing off then
[20:05] <ochosi> :/
[20:05] <ochosi> yeah, seems like it
[20:05] <ochosi> i'll be around a while longer, taking a break now
[20:05] <ochosi> so in case ppl wanna do a spontaneous meeting in another hour, that's still possible for me
[20:06] <elfy> nothing to stop us doing it - but it seems a bit pointless if we can't do more than chat - we can do that without meetingbot :)
[20:06] <Noskcaj> micahg, I've test built everything for about two months now, and my internet might be improving soon, so i'd be able to do more/bigger merges
[20:06] <ali1234> who's on the agenda?
[20:07] <micahg> Noskcaj: there were some comments about missing dependencies once uploads happened, if you've addressed that, that's great
[20:07] <ochosi> ali1234: there's a few things carried forward from last time
[20:08]  * slickymaster is going to take advantage from the fact that the meeting is  postponed and is going to finish making dinner
[20:08] <ochosi> ali1234: what's the status of the gtk3 indicators stack?
[20:08] <slickymaster> awf
[20:08] <ali1234> well for my part: the gtk3 stuff is progressing on unity side, there are some branches here from ted: https://code.launchpad.net/~ted
[20:08] <ali1234> looks like he added the stuff for all the other sessions as we discussed with him the other day
[20:08] <Noskcaj> micahg, Yep. I've addressed that, although only recently i realized i should be checking  syncs for added depends that are non-main
[20:09] <ali1234> so we're now waiting for those to be merged
[20:09] <ochosi> cool, that's good news
[20:09] <ali1234> i think we need to make some changes in the indicator plugin to make it run the upstart event
[20:09] <ochosi> hmm, again?
[20:09] <ali1234> yes, unfortunately, but it's a 1 liner
[20:09] <ochosi> that blows a bit
[20:10] <ochosi> ah ok
[20:10] <ochosi> that could even go in as a patch, without andrzejr doing a new release
[20:10]  * elfy is wandering off into the dark for a bit
[20:10] <ali1234> yes, and that may be more appropriate depending on what other distros want (if they even use it)
[20:10] <ochosi> yeah, i mean the whole plugin is a bit ubuntu-centric anyway...
[20:10] <ochosi> although i've read of arch users
[20:10] <ali1234> i actually added it once already but i don't think i saved the patch
[20:10] <ali1234> it's easy anyway
[20:11] <ochosi> well you could stash the patch in a bugreport already somewhere and link it to the features blueprint
[20:11] <ochosi> that way it can also be applied if you wouldn't be here for one reason or another
[20:11] <ali1234> ok, i'll do that
[20:11] <ochosi> thanks!
[20:12] <ali1234> same patch might be needed in the greeter
[20:12] <ochosi> fwiw, i took a very close look at Orion, and it displaces the 16px icons on buttons by 1px, so it's actually centered there
[20:12] <ali1234> heh
[20:12] <ochosi> hmm, is it for sure that we'll need that patch in the greeter?
[20:12] <ochosi> cause we're planning a bugfix release tonight
[20:12] <ali1234> i'm not sure
[20:12] <ochosi> so it'd be pretty good timing
[20:12] <ochosi> ok
[20:12] <ochosi> then i guess we'll wait
[20:12] <ali1234> depends how you currently run the indicators
[20:13] <ochosi> same as unity greeter
[20:13] <ali1234> hmm
[20:13] <ali1234> well, how is that?
[20:13] <ali1234> unity-greeter was patched
[20:14] <micahg> Noskcaj: check-mir is a nice script for that
[20:14] <ochosi> ali1234: this is the init: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lightdm-gtk-greeter-team/lightdm-gtk-greeter/trunk/view/head:/src/lightdm-gtk-greeter.c#L368
[20:14] <Noskcaj> oh,cool. Didn't know about that script
[20:14] <micahg> I have a question, I dropped the ball on this, but I was wondering if the gtk3 indicator stuff made it in
[20:14] <ochosi> ali1234: when was unity-greeter patched?
[20:14] <ochosi> micahg: yup, it's all in
[20:14] <micahg> great news
[20:14] <ali1234> ochosi: ok, so shell init and send an event? yes that's the correct way
[20:14] <micahg> thanks
[20:15] <knome> emmmh, yeah
[20:15] <knome> something distracted me, and couldn't be around
[20:15] <knome> did you get anything discussed?
[20:15] <ali1234> ochosi: this is the unity-greeter patch, it's identical: https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/unity-greeter/upstart-indicators/+merge/192936
[20:15] <ochosi> micahg: yup, we also got upstream releases of the panel and the indicator-plugin
[20:15] <ochosi> ali1234: yup, our greeter indicator-loading was refreshed quite recently, that's why i wanted to know. it works nicely currently
[20:16] <ali1234> ochosi: same thing needs to go into the plugin too, so we use upstart instead of xdg-autostart
[20:16] <ochosi> ok, i see
[20:16] <ali1234> if it hasn't already gone in that is
[20:16] <ochosi> haven't checked the plugin in a while
[20:17] <ochosi> knome: we just talked a bit about the gtk3 indicator status
[20:18] <ochosi> (that was one of the carried-forward items on the meeting agenda)
[20:19] <ochosi> for those of you who want to test the settings dialog for lightdm-gtk-greeter, there are packages for trusty here: https://launchpad.net/~kalgasnik/+archive/ppa
[20:19] <ochosi> we'll hopefully be able to set up a proper PPA soon
[20:20] <knome> okay
[20:20] <ochosi> fwiw, this is the project: https://launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings
[20:29] <ali1234> elfy:  i noticed my keyboard layout went funny today
[20:29] <elfy> oh good
[20:29] <ali1234> it was set to UK + extended winkeys which means my backquote key was acting strange
[20:29] <elfy> mmm - mine was set to US
[20:30] <elfy> lderan saw the same thing
[20:30] <ali1234> in the settings there is layout and then sub-variant
[20:30] <ali1234> there's no "default" variant so i had to select the top level layout which is kind of weird
[20:30] <ali1234> i dunno if this is related
[20:31] <ali1234> i might have just made a mistake while installing
[20:31] <elfy> yea - I pick the top level - no idea if it's related
[20:31] <ali1234> i haven't tried the installer recently
[20:37] <tryxchat> qatracker xchat test message
[20:38] <elfy> thanks tryxchat - someone reads my mails then :)
[20:39] <wickscherrycoke> the
[20:41] <elfy> will be back if they follow it properly :p
[20:41] <elfy> :)
[20:55] <a5m0> dangit, mpv requires ndividia restricted? but i want to keep nouveau :(
[21:08] <schproodle> elfy, seems you met my friend tryxchat -- don't know about mails though :)
[21:20] <ochosi> hm, the whole kb layout thing is odd
[21:20] <ochosi> there is a patch for the greeter to add kb-layout support, but we're past feature-freeze now...
[21:22] <elfy> ochosi: had a look at the lightdm settings thing - will look properly tomorrow
[21:22] <ochosi> ok cool
[21:22] <ochosi> thanks elfy
[21:22] <elfy> well - I have really had enough of today - night all
[21:22] <elfy> welcome ochosi :)
[21:23] <schproodle> elfy, tks
[21:25] <ochosi> ali1234: what bothers me more than the 1px offset in the gtk2 buttons is the cut bottom part of buttons in gtk3 :/
[21:26] <ochosi> i've dug around enough to produce a workaround, but it's fugly
[21:27] <pleia2> sorry I missed the meeting :( thought I'd make it, but my cold disagreed
[21:27] <ochosi> actually there wasn't one
[21:28] <ochosi> that is, you weren't the only one missing it ;)
[21:28] <pleia2> so I see :)
[21:46] <Unit193> slickymaster: If you'd have placed a bet, you'd be a richer man. :P
[21:46] <ochosi> knome: should we re-schedule the missed meeting for tomorrow?
[21:47] <knome> that's not better for me
[21:47] <ochosi> different time?
[21:48] <knome> different time works, but is there something that needs to be done/discussed before next thursday?
[21:48] <ochosi> not sure, there are a few items on the agenda
[21:48] <ochosi> we could theoretically resolve some of them without a meeting as well i guess
[21:49] <knome> sure
[21:49] <knome> i'd imagine somewhat many people are around now
[21:49] <slickymaster> Unit193: I knew it was a safe bet
[21:50] <Unit193> slickymaster: I did ping you with the link afterall. :P
[21:50] <slickymaster> did you get to saw revision 149 of my MP?
[21:50] <ochosi> knome: i'm not against doing an impromptu one now if you want ;)
[21:50] <schproodle> qatracker: Light-locker in Xubuntu Desktop for Trusty Daily -- xscreensaver seems to lock screen.  Whatis/whereis light-locker
[21:52] <ochosi> schproodle: you have to purge xscreensaver
[21:52] <knome> ochosi, well start a discussion... ;)
[21:52] <schproodle> ok
[21:54] <slickymaster> Unit193: did you get to saw revision 149 of my MP?
[21:54] <schproodle> ochosi, got it, thanks
[21:58] <Unit193> slickymaster: Not yet, will soon.
[21:59] <ochosi> anyone else here who can confirm this visual bugin the greeter? http://goput.it/z4zk.png
[21:59] <ochosi> asking cause i can't reproduce it but i have a patch that needs testing...
[22:00] <ochosi> (explanation: enter wrong password in the 14.04 greeter, red(!) infobar pops up telling you you entered a wrong password)
[22:00] <ochosi> (in this screenshot it's obviously white, which is bad and unintended)
[22:01] <schproodle> howto do a Ctrl+Alt+F7 in vm Virtualbox to test light-locker
[22:01] <ochosi> schproodle: you need to use the virtual-box modifier key
[22:02] <ochosi> (i think by default right ctrl)
[22:02] <schproodle> ok I will try that one
[22:03] <ochosi> so right-ctrl + f7
[22:03] <ochosi> (the modifier key is displayed in the right bottom corner of the virtualbox window/statusbar)
[22:09] <schproodle> right-ctrl is a sub for ctrl+alt ??
[22:10] <ochosi> in the virtualbox-window, yes
[22:10] <schproodle> right-ctrl + f7 did not seem to do anything eh
[22:10] <ochosi> well i have no clue what modifier-key you use
[22:11] <schproodle> ochosi, OK thanks :)
[22:15] <brainwash> ochosi: yes, with the greybird version installed by the shimmer-themes package
[22:16] <brainwash> wait a minute.. I already told you that some days ago :)
[22:16] <ochosi> brainwash: great!
[22:16] <ochosi> well, i was asking whether anyone was *around* with that bug :)
[22:16] <ochosi> anyhoo, i can pastebin the diff in a few secs
[22:16] <brainwash> I fixed it by adding some code from git8master
[22:17] <brainwash> git/master
[22:17] <brainwash> ok
[22:18] <brainwash> It was this block which I've copied from upstream https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/blob/master/gtk-3.0/gtk-widgets.css#L107
[22:19] <brainwash> no clue why it was broken in the first place and why this change magically fixed it
[22:19] <ochosi> wait, last time you said that you already had the stuff from that commit local
[22:20] <brainwash> uhm, I copied the linked block over to the greybird theme provided by the shimmer-themes package (trusty)
[22:21] <ochosi> ah ok
[22:21] <ochosi> still, weird that that worked
[22:21] <brainwash> usually I use the git version, so I've never noticed this issue
[22:22] <ochosi> and light-locker-settings also works for you (the infobar)?
[22:22] <brainwash> I did not test it yet
[22:23] <brainwash> so where is your pastebin diff? :)
[22:24] <ochosi> well if the git-master version fixes things, then there's no need for additional changes
[22:24] <ochosi> (pastebin would've been here, but it's useless now i guess: http://dpaste.com/1667584/ )
[22:24] <ochosi> i'll just ask elfy to update to greybird from git and test that again tomorrow
[22:25] <ochosi> if he confirms it's fixed, i can cross that one off my list
[22:26] <brainwash> the strange thing is that the upstream commit has been added some days ago, but the infobar looked fine before that also (git/master)
[22:27] <ochosi> yeah, that's why i wanted to try this patch
[22:27] <ochosi> but anyway, i'll have to wait for elfy or Gridcube then
[22:32] <ochosi> brainwash: i'm wondering why that gtk3 cut buttons is bugging you less than me...
[22:34] <brainwash> ochosi: bigger fonts is the secret :) this way you never see cut buttons
[22:34] <ochosi> that's a very fugly workaround
[22:34] <brainwash> if you don't see it, it won't bug you :P
[22:34] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-02-27-233419.php
[22:34] <ochosi> try to do this with bigger fonts ^
[22:34] <ochosi> still ugly
[22:35] <ochosi> also, i'd have to bump droid sans to 11(!) for the bug to disappear
[22:35] <brainwash> the gnome guys will fix it soon, they'll simply remove the buttons and call it an improvement
[22:36] <ochosi> i'm afraid they won't fix it because it doesn't affect them
[22:36] <brainwash> did they add some magic to their default theme?
[22:36] <ochosi> no idea, the adwaita engine seems to work around that
[22:37] <ochosi> also, using svg/png assets for the buttons also fixes it
[22:37] <ochosi> even unico doesn't expose the bug
[22:37] <ochosi> (which is why ubuntu folks aren't seeing it)
[22:37] <brainwash> :(
[22:38] <brainwash> silly_cut_buttons
[22:39] <ochosi> yeah, that's a fugly workaround
[22:39] <ochosi> i'm working on a better one right now
[22:41] <ochosi> huhu
[22:41] <ochosi> bumping only the button-font looks fun: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-02-27-234144.php
[22:42] <ochosi> (and works)
[22:49] <schproodle> can't find light-locker-setting for testing
[22:49] <ochosi> it's still only available from a PPA: https://launchpad.net/~light-locker-settings-team/+archive/stable
[22:50] <ochosi> stuck in upload-queue
[22:51] <schproodle> ochosi, should I test with the ppa?
[22:51] <ochosi> schproodle: yes, please
[22:52] <schproodle> oh, I see elfy's mail-archive message


[01:16] <outkasted> excuse me, does anyone know where to download the fix for "browser-integration failed to connect to host" bug? i am new to linux and i think i have have picked the 1 damn car i nthe lot with square wheels :(
[01:33] <outkasted> hello ?
[02:21] <pragmaticenigma> I recently experienced KDE's launcher crash and I no longer have a taskbar. Is there a way I can get that back up and running without logging out and back in?
[02:22] <pragmaticenigma> guess it's more than the taskbar... dolphin appears to have crashed as well
[02:38] <pragmaticenigma> found part of it... kstart5
[02:42] <valorie> ugh, why do people leave so quickly
 maybe their system crashed :)
[02:53] <valorie> ha
[03:24] <[Relic]> this is the internet they expect a response by yesterday at the latest normally
[11:32] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:34] <Alexfrench> hey
[13:22] <t7> hi all, how do i disable copy to clipboard whenever i highlight anything?
[13:26] <t7> err perhaps i mean i dont want everything i highlight stored in the widget
[13:27] <t7> got it, don't worry :)
[17:40] <kinghat> if i try to print from chrome or firefox it says 'unable to add document to print job' in the print queue. i can print a test page just fine.
[17:42] <kinghat> printing from PDF works fine.
[19:32] <riidom> hello, if I drag a file around in dolphin it always displays a green (+) icon, whether I copy or move with holding shift or ctrl while dragging - is there a way the icon changes on keypress to distinct copying from moving?


[00:06] <Walzmyn> How would one go about getting a package's dependencies changed?
[00:19] <realjoe> help! My dorm switched to 802.1x authentification and knetworkmanager seems to be broken since ages, what can I do? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=209673
[00:34] <dorkface> Hi all.  Does anyone know of a program or configuration that can change the color of the task panel entries based on what virtual desktop they are on?
[01:41] <Walzmyn> So... I used to be able to send Quassel to the tray, now it's bundled in this message center and I can't do that. what gives?
[02:00] <EricBlade-mobile> good evening peeps.  i just installed kubuntu 11 on my netbook, as it's prior installation was dead, and i hada kubuntu usb stick lying around .. and .. this interface is .. nightmarish.  is there any way to relatively quickly return to a more "traditional" interface?
[02:01] <James147> EricBlade-mobile: system settings > workspace behaviour > workspace > workspace type
[02:03] <EricBlade-mobile> James147: oh good god that is about a million times better, if i can work out a way to significantly decrease the size of all the icons and stuff in that task bar .. thank you SO much
[02:04] <James147> EricBlade-mobile: right clcik the panel > panel settings > drag "height" (assuming widgets are unlocked)
[02:04] <EricBlade-mobile> that "netbook" interface might be alright on a touch screen tablet, but it's super bad otherwise
[02:04] <James147> EricBlade-mobile: its not :)  you just have to use it differently
[02:05] <EricBlade-mobile> auto maximizing everything is just a bad bad plan though :)
[02:05] <James147> EricBlade-mobile: why? when screen space is limited then why would you want windows unmaximised?
[02:06] <EricBlade-mobile> even dialog boxes? notification popups? file transfer windows?
[02:07] <James147> dialogboxes dont really matter most the time, and transfer window and notification are not on mine
[02:07] <EricBlade-mobile> and a lot of stuff  on the stock apps that i triedd would end up off screen, until i unmaximized them
[02:08] <EricBlade-mobile> and resized
[02:08] <James147> really? dosnt happen here...
[02:08] <James147> you on natty?
[02:08] <EricBlade-mobile> is that 11?
[02:08] <James147> 11.04
[02:09] <EricBlade-mobile> yea
[02:09] <EricBlade-mobile> crap
[02:09] <EricBlade-mobile> i hit resize, and it only goes at default size or 0, and 0 crashes it
[02:10] <EricBlade-mobile> ah there it is after it restarted it started moving smooth
[02:12] <EricBlade-mobile> ok well im in much better shape now thank you so much, again
[02:13] <EricBlade-mobile> now time to do the 500mb update :)
[02:14] <EricBlade-mobile> hopefully i can remove everything having to do with printers and save 900mb of space like i did on my last distro
[02:16] <James147> EricBlade-mobile: is saving 900mb worth the effort? how big is you hd?
[02:16] <EricBlade-mobile> 4gig
[02:17] <James147> :) then probally
[02:17] <EricBlade-mobile> i haven'[t used a printer more than twice in the last decade
[02:18] <EricBlade-mobile> maybe i can figure out how to mount /usr on my sdcard, but it didn't seem like an easy task on the last setup i had, since the usb drive wouldn't mount until after /usr was loaded
[02:18] <EricBlade-mobile> er, not /usr, i mean /home
[02:19] <James147> EricBlade-mobile: if you add an entry to /etc/fstab then it should be mounted before the system boots
[02:20] <EricBlade-mobile> i'll look into it again, i seem to recall there was some problem with dynamic naming of something or other, it's been a year or two since i looked into that
[02:21] <James147> EricBlade-mobile: I would use UUID to refence it, then there is no problem with that
[02:22] <EricBlade-mobile> i was quite happy with my eeebuntu install, but one day it just stopped networking and the only indication of the problem was "Failed" when trying to insmod the atheros drivers
[02:22] <EricBlade-mobile> kubuntu booted right up and started networking so now it's on here :)
[02:24] <EricBlade-mobile> this is a really nice tiny irc client, this quassel.  if i could get rid of the timestamps that'd be awesome
[02:25] <James147> I think you can
[02:25] <EricBlade-mobile> and the default fonts here are -definitely- superior to what i had before
[02:45] <Sparks37> in order to get online at the universtity, the tech had to change some rekonq settings, and then he pressed make changes permanent, before i could tell him to just do it for the session. how do i undo the "invalid certificate" redirect changes he made?
[02:46] <guest09876> I cant sync my iphone but i can mount it and pull pic off it
[03:00] <EricBlade-mobile> hmm.. the sound volume on here is bad .. with the mixer set to all max .. any suggestions? my old instal was much louder
[07:37] <Keshl> Can I ask about Wubi here, or is that better for #ubuntu? I figured since I'm trying to install Kubuntu that I should ask here..
[10:15] <gigasoft> ssh="/etc/mercurial/hgrc.d/" - ssh -i "/home/emir/Private/EmirRepositorijum/emir_private_key_putty.ppk"
[12:00] <liekzomg> anyone know how to get default capture device preferences to save? i can reorder them and click apply but if i leave and come back they haven't actually changed
[12:02] <liekzomg> ah nm, it's only a bug in beta 2, will wait for release
[12:17] <JuJuBee> I have a server currently connected to my lan and isp. It is my gateway, dhcp server, firewall, etc... I need to connect to another network. Added card and when I set the card to dhcp, it gets same IP as my internal NIC.  Can someone assist me with configuring it?
[12:54] <mycle> Hi, i have installed kubuntu some days ago and now i've got a problem. I'm using two screens, which have different resolutions, but every time I reboot, the resolutions get reseted. Any advice?
[12:55] <bazhang> !find randr
[12:55] <bazhang> !info arandr
[12:56] <mycle> ok thx i'll try the packages
[12:58] <mycle> i've saved the layout, and it'll get loaded automatically when i reboot or do i have to change something first?
[13:01] <mila> Hi everyone.... I Wanted to ask you one question , it it isnt a problem... I cant find Turn off button in my Kubuntu? Any tips?
[13:02] <darkrex1986> Hey somebody there for answering me a little question?
[13:02] <mila> Hi everyone.... I Wanted to ask you one question , it it isnt a problem... I cant find Turn off button in my Kubuntu? Any tips?
[13:03] <darkrex1986> @mila normaly its in your kmenu
[13:04] <darkrex1986> @mila try Kmenu => leave => shutdown
[13:04] <mila> @darkrex1986 I have only logoff hibrenate and switch user
[13:05] <mycle> ok I rebooted but it still came up as a clone of the first screen with reseted resolutions
[13:06] <darkrex1986> @mila witch version are you currently runnig ? 10.10?
[13:06] <mycle> yes
[13:07] <mila> @darex1986 Yes Maverik... I had Gnome then i installed the KDE
[13:10] <Feldegast> mila do you have the kmenu? it is in there... there is also a button for lock/power you can add
[13:11] <darkrex1986> @mila i think thats the problem, do you want to use kde permanetly ? or is it just for playing around with it ? because if you want to use kde productive i would prefer to install kubuntu instead of ubuntu
[13:12] <mila> I have menu for kubuntu... but how to see if it is kmenu?
[13:13] <mila> I have leave with hibrnate, sleep logoff swithch and thats all
[13:14] <mila> Is there any terminal Command that i can use to turn off comp to make it like script or something?
[13:14] <darkrex1986> @mila sure sudo halt
[13:15] <darkrex1986> @mila or sudo reboot for reboot
[13:15] <mila> ok thanks i appriciated
[13:15] <darkrex1986> np
[13:18] <darkrex1986> did somebody know if today is patch day or something like? Cause my KPackageKit told me to upgrade 168 Files, including kde-base and so on
[13:45] <hyndra> i downloaded vmware from oracle and install it but it doesnt work...
[13:45] <hyndra> like qemu and virtualbox
[13:45] <hyndra> any sugestion
[13:45] <DarthFrog> Oracle doesn't do VMWare, it does VirtualBox.
[13:46] <DarthFrog> And virtualbox-ose is in the repos.
[13:46] <hyndra> il check
[13:46] <hyndra> yes
[13:47] <hyndra> none of the virtual machines work  .  tahts   wierd
[13:47] <hyndra> it rusns but when i create a virtual machine it stays ... and stays .....
[13:47] <hyndra> a lot ...   it creates  i run and it stays  black
[13:47] <hyndra> on vmware
[13:48] <hyndra> the others dont even create the vdisk
[13:50] <hyndra> what could be .. im new on this
[13:53] <DarthFrog> No idea, sorry. I'd try purging the VMWare install and re-installing it.
[13:56] <hyndra> ok thanks
[13:59] <DarthFrog> How much RAM do you have in your machine and how much are you alloting to the virtual machine?  Are you driving your system into swapping/thrashing?
[14:48] <vikas_> hello
[14:59] <silentgh0st> hi
[15:06] <mycle> Hi, does anyone has an advice where i can find a good how-to for setting up en xorg.conf file, cause i'm using a grphiccard and an on-board chip
[15:06] <James147> mycle: what graphics card?
[15:07] <James147> mycle: ^^ most no longer need an xorg.conf file and it is becomming deprcated
[15:08] <mycle> one is an readon 5670 and the onboard chip is a nvidia, but i look it up in a second
[15:09] <James147> lspci | grep VGA   should tell you which chipset
[15:09] <mycle> 1024 MB ATI Radeon HD 5670
[15:09] <mycle> ok thx
[15:09] <James147> but if its nvidia then use the nvidia tools to configure it, dont create an xorg.conf manually :p "sudo nvidia-xconfig" will create an xorg.conf file and "kdesudo nvidia-settings" will let you configure it
[15:10] <James147> ^^ though that wont work for ati
[15:10] <mycle> nVidia Corporation C61 [GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a]
[15:10] <James147> ati has similar tools but I do not know them
[15:11] <James147> ^^ that is assuming you want to use the proprity drivers, the open ones dont need an xorg.conf
[15:12] <mycle> ok cool, and yes the other problem is i have connected on screen to the nvidia chip and two screens to the ati card, but every time i reboot the resolution of the two ati screen is set back to 1024x768 and the are clones of each other instead of extends like i configured in the session befor
[15:12] <mycle> ah ok
[15:13] <mycle> nvidia-xconfig isnt installed yet
[15:13] <mycle> in which package do i find it?
[15:14] <James147> mycle: it is installed with the nvidia drivers
[15:15] <James147> mycle: though i dont know how the tools with work with each other... i have never seen someone use two different graphics cards before :p
[15:15] <James147> (at least from different manufactures)
[15:15] <mycle> ok but till now the screen connected to the nvidia chip isn't used so i guess the drivers hadn't been installed by default, only the drivers for the ati card
[15:16] <mycle> xD yes, maybe it's a bit strange
[15:16] <James147> mycle: the other possibaility (which i find more likly) is that you cannot use tow different cards at once .... I have never seen it done or know if it possible tjhough
[15:16] <James147> and the open driver should be installed
[15:16] <mycle> on windows it worked out pretty well, and when windows can do it im sure there is a solution on linux too
[15:17] <mr-rich> is anyone else having dbus-daemon eat up a shitload of CPU cycles?
[15:31] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[15:54] <surunveri> hi is there anyway to open Word documents on kubuntu?
[15:54] <James147> surunveri: openoffice
[15:54] <BluesKaj> surunveri, install open office or libre office
[15:55] <James147> BluesKaj: do you need to install it?
[15:57] <BluesKaj> surunveri, look in the kmenu /apps/ office ...it might be there
[15:59] <BluesKaj> James147, hmm, now I'm not sure if it's installed by default , memory fails me
[16:00] <James147> BluesKaj: I think openoffice is before natty, and lier on natty, though i am unsure about natty :p
[16:00] <James147> liber
[16:00] <James147> ^^
[16:02] <BluesKaj> OO is Libre on natty , James147
[16:02] <James147> BluesKaj: thats what I thought... and I presume it would be isntalled by default
[16:03] <BluesKaj> and you're correct , OO is installed by default on 10.10
[16:07] <surunveri> hmm so how do i install OO?
[16:07] <BluesKaj> I seldom use OO ...had enuff of office suites when i was still working...in my real work I always found them totally unecessaryand a pita tho I had to use them for lab reports etc I still hated them
[16:08] <James147> BluesKaj: i use latex when i need to do reports :)
[16:08] <BluesKaj> surunveri, open a terminal , sudo apt-get install openoffice
[16:08] <James147> surunveri: it should be install already if your on 10.10 or eairler
[16:09] <surunveri> hmm that doesnt owrk
[16:09] <James147> !details
[16:09] <surunveri> it ujst says no such package
[16:10] <James147> surunveri: check your menu, it should already be installed (under application > office .... there should be one called "word processor" or similar)
[16:11] <surunveri> there's a menu called office
[16:11] <surunveri> but there isnt a word processor.. unless you mean okular?
[16:11] <James147> no... hmm
[16:12] <James147> surunveri: what version of kubuntu?
[16:12] <surunveri> i dont remember
[16:12] <surunveri> :D
[16:12] <James147> then try "openoffice.org"
[16:12] <surunveri> i installed it 1 year ago
[16:12] <surunveri> which i hope i hadnt done though :D
[16:12] <surunveri> but it's too late now
[16:13] <James147> ^^ install that is, try installing openoffice.org
[16:14] <surunveri> yeah that works
[16:14] <surunveri> =)
[16:24] <BluesKaj> !info nomodeset
[16:30]  * BluesKaj realizes that nomodeset isn't a package but I thought there might be a factoid about using it
[16:32] <James147> BluesKaj: then dont use info ^^ from what i can see that only looks up info about packages
[16:34] <BluesKaj> James147, well the !nomodeset doesn't give any info either :)
[16:35] <James147> then i guess there isnt any info :(
[16:36] <BluesKaj> I wish there were factoids with small tutorials
[16:36] <BluesKaj> do this do that in case of....
[16:37] <Pici> BluesKaj: feel free to submit them, or write a wiki page and submit that to the bot.
[16:41] <BluesKaj> Pici, yeah , there are some on the google-linux searches , but I'm sure there's a required evaluation etc
[16:48] <liekzomg> can anyone help me get multiple xservers running on startup? i think i want the Xservers file but can't find anything with that name
[16:48] <BluesKaj> liekzomg, do you mean multiple screens ?
[16:49] <DarthFrog> Or multiple users?
[16:49] <liekzomg> BluesKaj: No, multiple users, like alt+f8 for 2nd kdm
[16:49] <James147> liekzomg: why not use "switch user"?
[16:50] <DarthFrog> liekzomg: Try the "Leave" menu item.  It has a "Switch User" option to do what you want.
[16:50] <liekzomg> sorry guys but I really do want multiple xservers, not just the ability to change users
[16:51] <James147> liekzomg: switch users starts a new x session ^^
[16:52] <liekzomg> James147: cool, anyway I can get it on startup without having to login?
[16:53] <James147> liekzomg: not sure
[16:54]  * DarthFrog just found out that right-clicking on the desktop and selecting "Leave" boots him out of KDE and doesn't bring up the Leave menu. :-)
[16:54] <liekzomg> James147: TY anyway man, it's a starting point :)
[16:54] <James147> DarthFrog: i think you can toggle that
[16:55] <James147> (like just about everything in kde :D )
[16:55] <DarthFrog> James147:  I probably toggled it to that behaviour and forgot I had done so.  That's exactly the kind of thing I'd do. :-)
[16:59] <mr-rich> When ever I use my mouse wheel on the desktop, it switches virtual desktops ... where do I turn this off?
[16:59] <mr-rich> It's really annoying ...
[17:00] <woife> mr-rich: right-click on desktop
[17:00] <woife> desktop settings
[17:00] <woife> mouse actions
[17:01] <woife> delete/change vertical scroll
[17:01] <DarthFrog> It might be called Folder View Settings instead of Desktop Settings.
[17:02] <woife> oh, i forgot to ask what desktop environment you use. my commands would be for kde. sorry for that.
[17:03] <DarthFrog> woife: So am I.
[17:04] <James147> woife: given this is the kubuntu channel it generally safe to assume they are using kde :)
[17:04] <woife> :)
[17:05] <mr-rich> woife: That worked ... ty ... and being that this is #kubuntu, I'm using KDE ...
[17:11] <Quiquedsti> hola a todos
[17:12] <Quiquedsti> alguien me podría ayudar con los parámetros de inicio VGA=xxx, ya que mi monitor no puede mostrar mas de 800x600
[17:13] <maco> !es | Quiquedsti
[17:15] <Quiquedsti> OK. Somebody can help me please. I need help with boot parameter VGA=xxx. my monitor don't show more than 800x600
[17:16] <guest09876> My old ipod died on me now im trying to use my iphone for my music with linux I can get the phone to mount through usd (I dont have my bluetooth on me now) I can pull photos off it but when i open a application to sync my iphone with like rhythmbox it finds it then closes down real fast
[17:22] <mila> Hey all :)) Can any1 tell me  where can i find list of compatible games for Linux for exapmle like GTA, or similar  hight budget games,?
[17:22] <mila> Any1?
[17:23] <James147> GTA isnt a linux compatable game ^^
[17:23] <James147> mila: it can be run through wine, so if your looking for similar games then i suggest wines appdb
[17:23] <James147> !wine
[17:36] <Chris_H> Hi, what is the command to open google chrome with a specific page?
[17:36] <Chris_H> Any idea?
[17:37] <James147> Chris_H: "chromium page"
[17:37] <James147> ie chromium www.google.com
[17:38] <guest09876> http://www.google.com/support/chrome/bin/answer.py?answer=95314
[17:38] <guest09876> at chris
[17:39] <Chris_H> James147: ok, thanks
[17:39] <guest09876> uh command?
[17:39] <guest09876> uh ignore me
[17:40] <James147> Chris_H: run "chromium --help" for more info
[17:41] <Linkmaster> Anyone happen to know the best way to get around a bittorrent block that a school server places? =P
[17:41] <James147> tor ^^
[17:41] <Linkmaster> I tried that D:
[17:41] <James147> Linkmaster: though they can still tell its bittorrent traffic if they look jhard enough
[17:41] <Linkmaster> The only thing that works is ultrasurf, but I can't configure any torrenting to work with it
[17:42] <Chris_H> James147: Thanks. And how do I play a sound? I have the sound file, but I do not know the command
[17:42] <Chris_H> I am configuring a plasmoid
[17:42] <James147> Chris_H: "aplay --help"
[17:43] <James147> which plasmoid?
[17:45] <Chris_H> lol the timer app. I am doing a online project and I am trying to time it and I would like to play a sound when it times out.
[17:45] <Chris_H> KDE quite cool
[17:46] <Linkmaster> Whats yoru favorite point of KDE?
[17:46] <Chris_H> Plasma desktop, activities and the virtual desktop. All come in handy very well
[17:47] <Linkmaster> I agree with that. The plasma desktop is..powerful, to say the least. Someone knows what they are doing, the sky is pretty much the limits
[17:50] <Chris_H> And most of all, Kubuntu seems to boot and work faster than Windows 7. Thats why switched over, I hate waiting...
[17:52] <Linkmaster> It does, I tried it on my netbook that I'm running right now. Well, in theory that is: XP boots faster then 7 does, and I tested it out; XP took ~36 seconds to the login screen, and an additional minute for the desktop to load up to functional use. Kubuntu 10.10 with KDE4.6.2 took ~24 seconds to KDM, with an additional 20 some seconds for the splash and functional desktop to load
[17:57] <Chris_H> hmm, I am using KDE 4.5, and I think mine boots quicker than that. ( about 9 seconds from grub to login)
[17:58] <Linkmaster> I'm also using a netbook thats a good two years old
[17:58] <James147> and are you measuring from power on or from grub Linkmaster?
[17:58] <Linkmaster> My RAM tops out at 992MiB
[17:59] <Linkmaster> I'm measuring from hitting enter on the partition I want to start from grub
[18:04] <Chris_H> is kde.org down?
[18:04] <Linkmaster> I need to get some food, talk to you guys in a bit. Though, before I put 4.6 on my computer, I noticed that 4.5 was more glitchy. Just observations though
[18:04] <Linkmaster> I believe it could be, its not loading for me
[18:05] <Chris_H> ok
[18:26] <Linkmaster> I'm back
[19:12] <BlouBlou> anyone knows why my PC has a lot of kio_http openned, and when I open rekonq, it begins working slow? if I close, it continues working slow, so I have no idea what's the problem
[19:41] <BlouBlou> guys, any good guitar's tablatures/partitures editor and plauer like TuxGuitar but for KDE?
[19:43] <BluesKaj> BlouBlou, I had a problem with "speech-dispatch". It would launch and use up 80-100% of my cpu , so I deleted it , but I see it's back after several updates..it no longer hogs the cpu
[19:45] <BluesKaj> BlouBlou, what about windows apps for tablature that run on wine
[19:46] <BlouBlou> for example guitar pro? No thanks, I really dislike it
[19:47] <beppe> hi. i have accidentally deleted some important file. now, after the logon, i can only see a black screen. i need your help
[19:48] <beppe> i have probably uninstalled some desktop package
[19:49] <fragileX> So what important files did you delete
[19:50] <BluesKaj> beppe, are you on the livecd ?
[19:50] <Daskreech> BlouBlou: Yes there was one
[19:51] <Daskreech> I cannot recall the name though
[19:51] <beppe> fragileX: i didnt properly delete a file, probaby i have uninstalled some plasma package
[19:51] <beppe> BluesKaj: i'm on another pc
[19:51] <Daskreech> beppe: what did you do?
[19:51] <Daskreech> You said you deleted then you said you uninstalled
[19:51] <Daskreech> that's two different things with  different fixes
[19:52] <BluesKaj> beppe, uninstalling a plasma package likely will not cause your problem, it's related to your graphics driver or HW
[19:53] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj:  If he uninstalled plasma-desktop,it could cause the black screen.
[19:54] <beppe> Daskreech: there was a group of blocked updates. the package which blocked them was kscreensavers-xsavers, or something like that. I wanted totemporary  uninstall it, and the system asked me to uninstall other packages. i accepted...
[19:54] <Daskreech> beppe: can You login to the command line on that computer?
[19:54] <beppe> now i'm in the recovery mode
[19:54] <BluesKaj> DarthFrog, uhmm yeah , but I doubt that's what he did
[19:55] <beppe> BluesKaj: probably that's what i did, instead!..
[19:55] <Daskreech> beppe: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[19:55] <beppe> i'm in front of the cl
[19:55] <BluesKaj> beppe, then do the above ^  :)
[19:55] <DarthFrog> Daskreech:  sudo apt-get .... :-)
[19:56] <Daskreech> DarthFrog: recovery mode drops you in as root
[19:56] <DarthFrog> Daskreech:  It does?  Well, live and learn. :-)
[19:56] <Daskreech> beppe: It should say it's installing a set of packages
[19:56] <Daskreech> DarthFrog: Break and learn
[19:57] <DarthFrog> Daskreech: The School of Hard Knocks is indeed an excellent teacher. :-)
[19:57] <beppe> It says it's impossible to reach the webserver, and recover packages
[19:58] <DarthFrog> beppe: Try "service networking start" first.
[19:58] <beppe> i'm not with the last kubuntu
[19:58] <James147> beppe: do you have a wired or wireless connection?
[19:59] <beppe> DarthFrog: i should write this on the cl?
[19:59] <beppe> James147: wireless.
[19:59] <DarthFrog> Wireless?  It won't work. :-(
[19:59] <James147> beppe: can you easly get a wired connection?
[19:59] <beppe> sure
[20:00] <James147> beppe: its possible to connect via wireless, but its allot more complacated on the comand line :0
[20:01] <beppe> ok now i'm cabled
[20:02] <James147> beppe: try rerunning the command Daskreech gave you
[20:03] <DarthFrog> And if you're still unable to connect, try the service command I gave earlier.
[20:03] <beppe> ok, it's downloading...
[20:03] <MK``> How many partitions can I have on a disk with MBR? 4? (3 primary and 1 extended?)
[20:03] <DarthFrog> MK``:  Yes
[20:03] <James147> MK``: 4 primary... way more then you need logical
[20:03] <MK``> :P ok thanks
[20:03] <DarthFrog> James147:  4 primary allows for no logical.
[20:04] <James147> ^^ yeah, ment at most 4 primary ^^
[20:04] <MK``> and I can have as many logical within the extended?
[20:04] <James147> but each primary can be an extended and hole allot more logical
[20:04] <Daskreech> MK``: in theory yes but most implementations cap you at 255
[20:05] <MK``> :O not too many situations where "FF" can be both accurate and an expression of frustration
[20:05] <MK``> but thanks
[20:05] <beppe> it asks for replacing kdmrc file with the default one
[20:05] <Daskreech> You can just run bsd tools and cut your disk up into thousands of partitions
[20:05] <DarthFrog> beppe: That's fine
[20:05] <James147> beppe: say yes to reset kdm to its default settings
[20:05] <James147> beppe: no otherwise
[20:05] <Daskreech> beppe: Did you change your kdm file?
[20:05] <Daskreech> if you didn't then replacing is ok
[20:05] <beppe> dont even know what it is....
[20:06] <James147> beppe: the login maanger
[20:06] <Daskreech> beppe: I should clarify
[20:06] <Daskreech> beppe: that' the login screen
[20:06] <James147> beppe: if you changed it at all and want to keep your settings say no
[20:06] <Daskreech> did you change the theme or anything on it?
[20:06] <beppe> ok, i give Y
[20:06] <Daskreech> if you just changed the theme you can just redo that after
[20:07] <Daskreech> if you don't remember changing anything then replacing with the default is a safe move
[20:07] <Daskreech> don't know if it's sage but  ... :)
[20:07] <beppe> ok, it finished. should i reboot? i give halt or something similar?
[20:07] <Daskreech> beppe: if you exit recovery mode it should ask if you want to continue a normal boot
[20:07] <Daskreech> so try that
[20:08] <DarthFrog> Just press CTL-D.
[20:08] <beppe> so how do i exit recovery mode? it's the first time i sue it..
[20:08] <DarthFrog> CTL-D
[20:08] <James147> beppe: ctrl+d or type "logout" or "exit"
[20:08] <Daskreech> MK``: If you do cut up your disks into a few thousand partitions can you for a laugh format them as FAT32 then boot into windows and watch it freak out? :) thanks
[20:08] <James147> not logout... sorry :0
[20:08] <Daskreech> beppe: exit
[20:08] <MK``> eh
[20:09] <Daskreech> beppe: or press Ctrl+D
[20:09] <DarthFrog> Daskreech: You're evil!  I like that in you.  :-)
[20:13] <Daskreech> DarthFrog: Windows is so restrictive and inconsistent it is a source of yearly amusement and amazement for me
[20:14] <Daskreech> Apple is restrictive but only in it's front end tools and almost never arbitrarily. It is very consistent though
[20:14] <Daskreech> Linux is totally unrestricted and wildly inconsistent but at least it's consistent in that respect :)
[20:15] <Daskreech> MK``: Sorry did I lose you somewhere? I can explain if you like
[20:15] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, and Apple is extremely proprietary
[20:15] <MK``> no I got it all
[20:15] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: No they are not
[20:16] <MK``> I was just repartitioning a disk and wanted to know the limit :P
[20:16] <BluesKaj> oh?
[20:16] <Linkmaster> Personally, I'd love to watch a Windows machine freak out. It gives me hours of fun
[20:16] <MK``> This is a 250GB disk I just lost all the data on... so I am formatting and repartitioning it.
[20:16] <Linkmaster> Well, if your doing that, you can spend the extra couple hours to install windows, cut it into a million peices, and give us the rundown of M$'s heart attack :P
[20:17] <Daskreech> MK``: Ouch did you run testdisk on it?
[20:17] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: The kernel and about 1/4 of the core aspects of Apple are all open
[20:18] <MK``> Daskreech: it's entirely encrypted, so either the volume header got corrupted, or my memory failed me since the password was very complex. I honestly don't know which it was, but it wasn't taking my password
[20:18] <Daskreech> Webkit of course is open but KDE/GPL forced them to do that
[20:18] <MK``> so I just formatted it, I can't be arsed to stress over it
[20:18] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, compared to MS,  Apple certainly is
[20:18] <beppe> DarthFrog: James147: Daskreech: all is working now. thank you so much
[20:18] <Daskreech> MK``: Oh dear. That's always been my worry about encryption. recovery in disaster
[20:18] <Daskreech> beppe: You ar welcome
[20:18] <DarthFrog> beppe: Glad to hear it.
[20:19]  * BluesKaj suspects Daskreech is an Imac/Ipad owner :)
[20:19] <DarthFrog> Daskreech: Keep a copy of your key on a USB stick.
[20:19] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: No specifically in comparison to MS they are not. The core working aspects of MS are all closed. The core working aspects of Apple are all open
[20:19] <Daskreech> However Apple is selling you the pretty parts at the end
[20:20] <Daskreech> In KDE speak they are not selling you Ubuntu server they are selling you Plasma
[20:20] <BluesKaj> uhmm yeah, and that's what I mant
[20:20] <BluesKaj> meant
[20:20] <Daskreech> For MS none of that stack is open or ever will be
[20:20] <MK``> what I'm going to do instead is just use encrypted file containers :/
[20:20] <DarthFrog> And if the Mac OS X wasn't based on Darwin (which itself is based on FreeBSD), then even that would be completely closed.
[20:21] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, but do we care ...I'm talking about apps etc
[20:21] <Daskreech> plus they have taken steps to stop you from rebuilding it even if you wanted to
[20:21] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: MS doesn't have that many open apps. certainly not any consumer ones worth anything
[20:21] <Linkmaster> Personally, I like Linux. It results in zero issues from anybody other then yourself
[20:22] <DarthFrog> Apple is a very stylish, charming, handsome tyrant.  But tyrant nontheless.
[20:22] <Daskreech> I've always taken MS open sourcing something as either they want to get someone inside of MS to stop working on it so that would appease them or they want brownie points
[20:22] <BluesKaj> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10113278-16.html , for those who are interested
[20:22] <Linkmaster> ^Valid point
[20:23] <Daskreech> DarthFrog: actually Apple a) chose to use BSD though they had a closed system and b) can still have it propietary on a BSD system since the BSD license allows this.
[20:23] <DarthFrog> And Ubuntu is trying to become a very stylish, charming and handsome freedom fighter. :-)
[20:23] <Daskreech> Windows Vista is built on BSD tech but it's more closed than Apple OSX
[20:24] <MK``> What bugs me more is Google using openness as a selling point when the Android really isn't all that open :/
[20:24] <Linkmaster> Ubuntu IS stylish, charming, and it certainly is worrying MS/Apple
[20:24] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: a) that's opinion b) that's on the mobile devices :)
[20:24] <ebrahim> who is from iran?
[20:24] <ebrahim> who is from iran?
[20:24] <ebrahim> who is from iran?
[20:24] <ebrahim> who is from iran?
[20:24] <FloodBotK1> ebrahim: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:24] <ebrahim> hello all
[20:25] <ebrahim> hellllloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[20:25] <ebrahim> baba salam kardamaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[20:25] <ebrahim> kasy khune nist
[20:25] <ebrahim> ?
[20:25] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, guess I should have specified...wasn't referring to the unix /bsd aspects
[20:26] <ebrahim> blueskaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaj
[20:26] <ebrahim> Hello
[20:26] <DarthFrog> !ir | ebrahim
[20:26] <BluesKaj> ebrahim, it's ok w see you
[20:26] <Linkmaster> Gotta go, laters guys
[20:27] <ebrahim> look
[20:27] <ebrahim> i dont speak english
[20:27] <ebrahim> :(
[20:27] <Daskreech> !ir | ebrahim
[20:27] <ebrahim> can you speak persain
[20:27] <Daskreech> ebrahim: #ubuntu-ir
[20:27] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: ah in that case maybe
[20:28] <Spaz_Dynamic> So, kubuntu isn't seeing my wireless NIC, it seems. I know it's linux compatible, puppy supports it out of the box.
[20:28] <BluesKaj> Spaz_Dynamic, which chip ?
[20:29] <Spaz_Dynamic> lspci reports bcm4318
[20:29] <Spaz_Dynamic> fw-cutter or something?
[20:29] <Spaz_Dynamic> I don't remember the driver, but someone told me it once
[20:30]  * BluesKaj detests knetworkmanager, it's giving bkubuntu a bad rap :\
[20:30] <DarthFrog> b43-fwcutter - Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware
[20:30] <Spaz_Dynamic> either way, I was pretty sure that ubuntu would fetch drivers when you did an update, but kubuntu apparently didn't cause it's not working xD
[20:30] <BluesKaj> kubuntu even
[20:31] <BluesKaj> !broadcom
[20:32] <Spaz_Dynamic> ugh, I hated trying to make that work. I did it once before. it took me days to get nothing done, and then I migrated my PC to an ethernet connection and ubuntu fetched the driver and it worked in just a minute. Why isn't kubuntu doing the same?
[20:33] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: try running "hardware drivers" (from the menu, or run jockey-kde)
[20:33] <BluesKaj> Spaz_Dynamic, kubuntu works fine with etherenet , it just has wifi issues
[20:35] <kkerwin> Hi. I'm having some difficulty mounting a Samba share as writable on my local drive. Is there anyone who could help me, please?
[20:36] <Spaz_Dynamic> James147: Ah, that's what I was forgetting to do. Sorry guys. xD
[20:36] <SeanTater> Is there a right way to find resource paths, such as /usr/share/kde4/apps? I'm using kde4-config but it seems tacky
[20:36] <Spaz_Dynamic> and the driver for my ATI gfx card listed there is the one I need too, I assume?
[20:36] <James147> SeanTater: for waht purpose?
[20:37] <SeanTater> I have an xml file there I need to access at runtime
[20:37] <James147> SeanTater: what language?
[20:37] <SeanTater> kkerwin: Try installing kdenetwork-filesharing, it makes it much easier
[20:37] <SeanTater> James147: python
[20:38] <Daskreech> Broadcom FOSS drivers are coming in the next two kernels \o/!
[20:38] <Spaz_Dynamic> were they doing away with the kde wallet in natty?
[20:38] <kkerwin> SeanTater: Thanks. I'm currently ssh'd into the local machine, configuring the samba share on it. Do you know of a CLI method, instead?
[20:38] <Daskreech> Spaz_Dynamic: doubtful. You can uninstall it
[20:38] <Spaz_Dynamic> Daskreech: sweet
[20:39] <Daskreech> Nothing relies on it (I think) that's not security based
[20:39] <Spaz_Dynamic> Daskreech: ah, hmm, how necessary is it? I seem to recall it popping up constantly
[20:39] <Spaz_Dynamic> ah
[20:39] <Daskreech> Spaz_Dynamic: Give it an empty password and say allow always and it goes away forever
[20:39] <James147> SeanTater: possibally you can do it by useing KStandardDirs though I am not sure
[20:39] <SeanTater> kkerwin: Actually, no, I don't. But SSH does X11 forwarding (with ssh -X) so you could still run a GUI program and see it on whichever screen you're working on
[20:39] <Daskreech> Spaz_Dynamic: it's not needed at all. if you stop using it then all your passwords just get saved in plain text in a file is all
[20:40] <SeanTater> James147: OK, I'll check that out. Thanks
[20:40] <Spaz_Dynamic> Daskreech: I did the empty password method. xD
[20:40] <kkerwin> SeanTater: Actually, in all of my 11 years of using Linux, I've never tried setting up X11 forwarding ... ...
[20:40] <SeanTater> kkerwin: It's miraculously easy
[20:41] <Daskreech> Spaz_Dynamic: and allow always that should take care of it until a new app asks to keep it's password there
[20:41] <SeanTater> kkerwin: just use the -X option when you log in and then type it in like any other program.
[20:42] <kkerwin> SeanTater, Holy shit!!
[20:42] <SeanTater> kkerwin: ;) I don't think I've ever heard someone that excited about that feature
[20:44] <kkerwin> SeanTater, Ok. What's the CLI program name for "kdenetwork-filesharing". I just installed it, now to run it ...
[20:45] <SeanTater> "systemsettings" will get you all of them. It should be easy to find
[20:45] <James147> kkerwin: i think it s a module for kcmshell4  --list will show all the options
[20:45] <James147> probally kcmshell4 filesharing   or samba
[20:46] <SeanTater> That'd work too
[20:46] <kkerwin> SeanTater, I think I'm in.
[20:49] <SeanTater> kkerwin: good to hear
[20:49] <SeanTater> James147: Thanks a bunch, that's just what I needed!
[20:50] <James147> :)
[21:16] <BlouBlou> anyone knows how to prevent kopete using kde notifications?
[21:17] <James147> BlouBlou: then what notifications system would it use?
[21:19] <BlouBlou> James147: well, for example, when a friend talks, I would like to get kopete's icon moving, but not kde notifications and a bar like windows' msn showing up from notifications-app
[21:20] <BlouBlou> James147: is that possible to do?
[21:21] <BATi> BlouBlou: you can try disabling message indicator plugin in kopete's config...
[21:21] <BlouBlou> BATi: how to do it?
[21:21] <BlouBlou> oh...
[21:21] <BlouBlou> BATi: I did it, but it continues showing up messages
[21:22] <BATi> BlouBlou: did you restart kopete? message indicator plugin is unchecked?
[21:29] <BlouBlou> BATi: I restarted it and it's disabled, yes. But still the same problem
[21:30] <James147> BlouBlou: If your just tring to stop the popups  then System settings > notifications > kopete ... and turn off the ones you dont want
[21:30] <James147> (kopete probally has a shortcut to that location in its menus)
[21:33] <BlouBlou> James147: cool, thanks a lot :-)
[21:35] <Daskreech> BlouBlou: almost all apps have a Settings -> Configure notifications
[21:36] <James147> Daskreech: at least almost all that have notifications :)
[21:36] <Daskreech> ^^^ that truth that he just said
[22:06] <Spaz_Dynamic> OK, I can't get kubuntu to actually set the resolution. It's stuck (meaning it resets as soon as I hit apply) at 1024x768 and I'm trying to get them to 1280x1024 and as a shared desktop instead of cloned... help?
[22:07] <Spaz_Dynamic> an interesting note is that if I set crt1 and not crt2, it will change that one. but if I then change crt2, they both reset to 1027x768, and i can't change crt1 again
[22:11] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: what graphics card?
[22:12] <Spaz_Dynamic> James147: its an ATI 3650
[22:12] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: the open or proprity drivers?
[22:13] <Spaz_Dynamic> er, more specifically, I think it's called ATI Radeon HD 3650
[22:13] <Spaz_Dynamic> I just used what the additional drivers thing proposed.
[22:14] <James147> !ati
[22:17] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: sorry I cant be mroe help, I have never used a ati card and dont know their config tools
[22:18] <Spaz_Dynamic> oh, thats no problem. I'm reading along. xD
[22:18] <Spaz_Dynamic> I'm also wondering if kubuntu is normally this slow =X
[22:19] <Spaz_Dynamic> It didn't seem like it used to be
[22:21] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: it isnt normally slow ^^
[22:21] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: but I would not worry about that untill after you configure the drivers as they could be why its slow
[22:23] <Spaz_Dynamic> James147: Yeah, thats part of what I'm thinking. There is just some problem(s) within that causing it to be sluggish. My computer should be able to handle KDE fine. 2.8 Ghz, hyperthreading, 3 GB ram
[22:24] <Spaz_Dynamic> uh.. some blur just popped up on the bottom right corner of the screen...
[22:25] <Spaz_Dynamic> its not going away, and the KDE pannel seems to have frozen.
[22:26] <Spaz_Dynamic> James147: did you see my last message?
[22:26] <James147> nop
[22:27] <James147> atleast I dont think so
[22:27] <Spaz_Dynamic> [17:23] <Spaz_Dynamic> James147: Yeah, thats part of what I'm thinking. There is just some problem(s) within that causing it to be sluggish. My computer should be able to handle KDE fine. 2.8 Ghz, hyperthreading, 3 GB ram
[22:27] <Spaz_Dynamic> [17:24] <Spaz_Dynamic> uh.. some blur just popped up on the bottom right corner of the screen...
[22:27] <Spaz_Dynamic> [17:25] <Spaz_Dynamic> its not going away, and the KDE pannel seems to have frozen.
[22:29] <Spaz_Dynamic> wait... its popping up a status bar for something.
[22:29] <Spaz_Dynamic> I think it's just impossibly bogged down
[22:30] <James147> :S
[22:31] <Spaz_Dynamic> oh man.. xD
[22:31] <Spaz_Dynamic> this is hilarious
[22:33] <Spaz_Dynamic> ... oooh, I think I know what is going on, I told amarok to load my old music directory. for whatever reason, thats insanely processor intensive. .. foobar2000 never had any problems doing it >.>
[22:34] <James147> :(
[22:34] <Spaz_Dynamic> why do you keep getting disconnected?
[22:34] <James147> not entirly sure
[22:36] <Spaz_Dynamic> ah. well, is there any way I can kill this process, or set its nice value higher?
[22:36] <Spaz_Dynamic> specifically via terminal or a shortcut to bring up a process monitor (since the panel is semi-frozen
[22:37] <Spaz_Dynamic> oh, it figures that by the time I ask that it starts behaving properly.
[22:47] <Spaz_Dynamic> ... I don't remember setting up a root password, and a program needs to be run as root
[22:47] <Linkmaster> try typing in your regular password - though be worry about running unkown programs
[22:48] <Spaz_Dynamic> Linkmaster: I know the program, its the proprietary driver program for my graphics
[22:48] <Spaz_Dynamic> and I have, and it doesn't work. It's doing su, not sudo
[22:48] <Linkmaster> Hm :l
[22:49] <Spaz_Dynamic> and I don't know the name of the program to call it from terminal
[22:49] <Linkmaster> I've never dealt with su, I thought it was lacking in of a password to prevent one from being there. Perhaps if you tried to create one in a terminal, that might help
[22:51] <Spaz_Dynamic> there, sudo passwd root, then made a pass. hopefully doing so didn't mess anything up, though I don't know why it would have.
[22:52] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: you shouldnt need to enable a root password...
[22:53] <Spaz_Dynamic> James147: I have the control center for my graphics driver and to make any changes I need to run it as root, and when I click that, it attempts to do su
[22:53] <Spaz_Dynamic> note that I said do "su" not failed typing "sudo"
[22:56] <Spaz_Dynamic> something is wrong with root's password
[22:58] <Spaz_Dynamic> mainly that hitting enter for a blank password (when I just deleted the password) doesn't work
[22:59] <Spaz_Dynamic> er, wait
[23:00] <Spaz_Dynamic> never mind. that was me being dumb
[23:00] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: allot of automated attacks are agienst the week passwords on the root account ^^ and there is no need to have a root password at all when you have sudo, thus disabling the root acount logins improves security... at least slightly :)
[23:00] <Spaz_Dynamic> yeah
[23:00] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: you can disable an acount with the -l  argument os passwd
[23:01] <Spaz_Dynamic> but how do I run this program when it calls su and not sudo
[23:01] <James147> (ie sudo passwd -l root)
[23:02] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: if you do need to login to root you can do it with sudo -i  or sudo -s
[23:02] <Spaz_Dynamic> and besides, I always thought sudo was a security hole in itself. it makes any user able to have root do something, and the more users a system has, the more passwords can access root, in essence
[23:03] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: which program?
[23:03] <Spaz_Dynamic> James147: but I don't know the program name, and draging the link to bash and typing sudo infront of it returns command not found. Unless I didn't specify sudo, then it says permission denied
[23:03] <Spaz_Dynamic> it's the catalyst control center for my ATI card
[23:04] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: and no, in kubuntu only user in the admin group are able to use sudo, by default tahts the first user and no other users get added to in unless done by that user
[23:05] <Spaz_Dynamic> James147: ah, ok. didn't know that
[23:10] <Keshl> Is this a good place to ask for help with Wubi? I'm not sure if I should ask here since I'm trying to install Kubuntu, or in #ubuntu.
[23:15] <James147> Keshl: if your unsure then jsut ask, we will direct you to where can answer
[23:16] <Keshl> Okay. For some reason, whoever made Wubi overlooked a serious design flaw. The installer refuses to install the ISO into the virtual hard drive after successfully downloading it due to a version mis-match. After investigation, I found that it's downloading a daily build. What do I do?
[23:17] <Spaz_Dynamic> James147: since you're having connection issues, here is what he just said: <Keshl> Okay. For some reason, whoever made Wubi overlooked a serious design flaw. The installer refuses to install the ISO into the virtual hard drive after successfully downloading it due to a version mis-match. After investigation, I found that it's downloading a daily build. What do I do?
[23:20] <James147> Keshl: yeah, #ubuntu might be better able to answer that
[23:20] <Keshl> Okay, thanks.
[23:28] <Daskreech> Keshl: what is the version mismatch?
[23:29] <Keshl> It wants <IP_ADDRESS>, it's getting <IP_ADDRESS> or something similar.
[23:30] <Keshl> I don't remember the exact text, just that it had two 10's, and a third octet, and it wanted a 1 but got a 2.
[23:54] <Linkmaster> Back guys
[23:55] <Keshl> wb owo
[23:56] <Linkmaster> owo?
[23:57] <sysdoc> Fresh install of KDE 4.6 and krunner seg faults over and over, I have seen probably 100 or more crash notifications. Has anyone got any info on this behavior?
[23:58] <goodtime> you might have dpkg running in the background sysdoc
[23:59] <goodtime> or someother thing doing the same
[23:59] <goodtime> killall


[00:10] <nacc> rbasak: fixed the CI issue i think with my branch, just a thinko in the pristine-tar refactor (integration test ftw)
[01:49] <nacc> rbasak: and it passed :)
[07:04] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:37] <boxrick> Does anyone have a pre-seed formula for lvmraid?
[11:53] <elfranne> trying to apply file descriptor limit by making a conf file in /etc/security/limits.d/ but the default values are still used (even after a reboot)... where can i start looking )
[12:31] <groubas> kvm or xen?
[12:34] <groubas> is it -safe- to run a firewall like pfsense on an ubuntu server host?
[12:39] <sarnold> elfranne: /etc/security/ stuff is used by PAM. if your service isn't started on the other side of a PAM session setup they are ignored entirely
[12:39] <sarnold> elfranne: the best answer is to configure systemd unit file or upstart configuration to include the limits you want
[12:40] <elfranne> sarnold, oh i see.
[12:41] <elfranne> sarnold, thanks for the info
[15:43] <coreycb> dosaboy: i updated 1752838 with some analysis. i'll have package updates tested soon for bionic. i will want to run them by jamespage first too.
[15:44]  * dosaboy checks
[15:48] <dosaboy> coreycb: thanks for working through that
[15:48] <dosaboy> coreycb: on the whole i agree with your comments/suggestions
[15:48] <coreycb> dosaboy: great thanks for looking
[15:49] <dosaboy> coreycb: i need to go back and check for myself but i think i did also see similar behaviour to seyeongkim on ocata
[15:49] <dosaboy> i.e. neutron-l3-agent and neutron-dhcp-agent will not start until ovs-cleanup has finished
[15:49] <dosaboy> but i need to go back and checl for sure
[15:49] <coreycb> dosaboy: ok yes that should be the case today but only if they are started at the same time
[15:50] <coreycb> dosaboy: which i think is the case at boot
[15:50] <Ussat> Does anyone here use spacewalk to manage/update their servers ?
[15:51] <dosaboy> coreycb: ah interesting
[15:52] <coreycb> dosaboy: yeah, adding Requires= and After= tightens things up to where the ovs-cleanup will have to be started already, or will get started, by l3-agent or dhcp-agent
[18:07] <average-guy> I just made a new home server VM w/Ubuntu server 18.04.  I was shocked by the new installer.  It looked nice and (seemed like, at least) ran faster.  Props
[18:07] <compdoc> cant wait
[19:12] <Ussat> Yea I have it also, kidos
[19:13] <Ussat> been testing because gonna be updating work crap eventually
[19:13] <Ussat> been testing upgrades from 16.04LTS on test systems
[20:01] <tomreyn> upgrades wont be supported until july most likely
[22:16] <nacc> rbasak: sorry, meant to ask that here, of course
[22:28] <nacc> rbasak: if you're still there, have a 5 second gist of how easily it would be to add the treeish to the code?
[22:28] <nacc> i realize for case (3) i need 3 distinct trees in the repo
[22:28] <nacc> [for the same version]
[22:36] <nacc> rbasak: i came up with something
[23:53] <soahccc> I want to return a hosted server and therefore scramble the data on it (SSD). Everything I read says "make sure it's not frozen" but it is and I don't know how to unfreeze it. Since I'm not necessarily interested in the life condition of the disk what are my easy alternatives? Just dd it? It doesn't have to be NSA level erase