[14:20] <kivi> mmmmm is this happening?
[14:20] <dholbach> kivi: starting in 1h40m
[14:21] <kivi> k
[14:37] <lollipop> What's the topic?
[15:53] <FHN> Hi everyone
[15:54] <tathhu> 'ello
[15:54] <popey> yo
[15:54] <dholbach> hey hey
[15:54] <dholbach> just about to start in a few :)
[15:54] <xaircore> hi everyone
[15:55] <dragos> im the 10 year old from the Q&A
[15:56] <Gnzles> !topic
[15:56] <Gnzles> What's the role of Vulkan in Unity 8?
[15:57] <_Sponge> Afternoon, guys !
[15:57] <Gnzles> good afternoon, _Sponge
[15:57] <_Sponge> Gnzles: You need to prefix your query with the word QUESTION.
[15:58] <Legendario> hello everybody!
[15:58] <Gnzles> QUESTION What's the role of Vulkan in Unity 8?
[15:59] <_Sponge> Gnzles: good.
[16:00] <root_ninjah> were is video??
[16:00] <dragos> in 15 min
[16:00] <root_ninjah> ok
[16:01] <dragos> ubuntu posted on their google plus page the video with start in 15 min
[16:01] <root_ninjah> i wait then
[16:01] <_Sponge> QUESTION: Is Jane Silbers eMail at Canonical<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[16:02] <dholbach> yep, what _Sponge said earlier... make sure you prefix your questions with QUESTION: :-)
[16:02] <dragon77> hello
[16:02] <_Sponge> hi
[16:02] <QUESTION> _Sponge, NO
[16:03] <_Sponge> crumbs, that's complicated. #Meta Q&A.
[16:04] <dragon77> QUESTION:Other than the BQ convergence tablet, will we get a convergence phone, or any other Ubuntu mobile device soon?
[16:05] <_Sponge> Quick pop-Quiz while we wait !! : https://twitter.com/naggsen/status/694529610063712256
[16:05] <mhall119> http://ubucon.org
[16:05] <AJ__> hello
[16:05] <_Sponge> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDeOddSyBS4
[16:05] <_Sponge> It's live now.
[16:06] <d0od>  I'm trying to work out what is on the other side of Popey's room by looking at the (very 70s) mirrored wardrobes behind him. Think my stream quality is too low to play the game.
[16:06] <popey> mess, mostly
[16:07] <CrazyLemon> QUESTION: when will we see desktop notification service update/rework/rewrite. notifyosd is ancient and we have not seen any redesign in notification area in quite some time
[16:07] <_Sponge> QUESTION: Did sky get any Chrimbo presents ?
[16:08] <thBest> How do you decide whos on the next Q&A?
[16:08] <thBest> QUESTION: How do you decide whos on the next Q&A?
[16:08] <dragon77> thbest they had a list.
[16:08] <thBest> QUESTION: When will Ubuntu Touch switch to snappy? When the regular deb based OS switch?
[16:08] <root_ninjah> QUESTION: how much will meizu pro 5 cost?
[16:08] <thBest> QUESTION: Are you going to the MWC to Barcelona?
[16:09] <thBest> dragon77 thanks. makes sense.
[16:09] <_Sponge> QUESTION: CHANT: We were promised Jono. Where is Jono and the guitar ? We were promised Jono. Where is Jono and the guitar ? We were promised Jono. Where is Jono and the guitar ? We were promised Jono. Where is Jono and the guitar ?
[16:10] <root_ninjah> can please up the volume ? i can't here
[16:11] <root_ninjah> alan volume up a bit
[16:11] <root_ninjah> sound is low
[16:11] <root_ninjah> daniel si loud
[16:11] <_Sponge> sounds fine to me.
[16:12] <popey> turned mine up a bit
[16:12] <root_ninjah> popey: thanks
[16:12] <root_ninjah> much
[16:12] <root_ninjah> mach better
[16:13] <root_ninjah> QUESTION: will ubuntu adopt x-apps like mint?
[16:13] <_Sponge> ooh goodie.
[16:17] <_Sponge> sounds like he knows :)
[16:17] <justCarakas> @popey the tablet has already been announced on omgubuntu
[16:17] <root_ninjah> QUESTION: does kde programs run on mir?
[16:19] <d0od> snap decisions \o/
[16:20] <root_ninjah> QUESTION: will ubuntu 16.10 use unity7 or 8?
[16:20] <d0od> TIL popey is evil.
[16:21] <mhall119> "Chrimbo is Christmas, obviously" Obvious to who?
[16:21] <_Sponge> mhall119: Brits mostly.
[16:21] <mhall119> d0od: you knew that already :)
[16:22] <Gnzles> QUESTION: Are there plans for a native window tiling mode in Unity 8?
[16:22] <_Sponge> d0od: He has a grey side to. He's kind of a mixture, being a Dad.
[16:22] <dragon77> QUESTION:When 16.04 comes, why don't you put a unity8 image as an alternative download on the main download page? Ofcourse tag it as testing and experimental so that unexperienced users don't download it by mistake. If you do so, at least you won't have journalists yelling "delayed" and you will have more testers.
[16:23] <dragos> bye
[16:26] <_Sponge> QUESTION: Do you know of any printer issues with the Ubuntu phones ?
[16:26] <_Sponge> Where's ChloeWolfieGirl ?
[16:27] <dragon77> _Sponge I am asking myself the same thing.
[16:27] <tsimonq2> o/
[16:27] <mhall119> _Sponge: you can ask about HUD for her :)
[16:27] <_Sponge> tsimonq2: Is that you ?
[16:28] <_Sponge> hope she's/he's Ok.
[16:28] <_Sponge> Who's had a cold so far this winter ?
[16:29] <zahidhameed> i have question about ubuntu 16.04lts, will it support file transfer from nokia X2 DS via bluetooth? ubuntu 14.04lts have failed in doing this
[16:29]  * _Sponge sniffles.
[16:29] <mhall119> _Sponge: I spoke to her Friday, she was okay at that time
[16:29] <_Sponge> ok, cheers.
[16:30] <tsimonq2> _Sponge: hm?
[16:30] <tsimonq2> -Sno I just entered the channel XD
[16:30] <_Sponge> tsimonq2: Are you CloeWolfieGirl ?
[16:30] <_Sponge> hi dpm.
[16:30] <tsimonq2> _Sponge: no :P
[16:31] <_Sponge> k
[16:31] <dpm> hey _Sponge
[16:31] <_Sponge> dpm, sup ?
[16:31] <tsimonq2> QUESTION: What's the best way to get started with Snappy and working with Snaps?
[16:31] <dragon77> QUESTION: Would you like a tiling wm based Ubuntu flavor?(let's say i3wm)
[16:32] <mhall119> tsimonq2: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/
[16:32] <tsimonq2> thank you mhall119 :)
[16:32] <dpm> _Sponge, enjoying today's Q&A questions :)
[16:33] <_Sponge> Here's the Jono poll: https://twitter.com/naggsen/status/694529610063712256
[16:34] <tsimonq2> QUESTION: Is there an ISO that I can get that has Unity 8?
[16:35] <_Sponge> no
[16:35] <_Sponge> The next LTS after 16.04 is the *A* series.
[16:36]  * mhall119 doesn't think that math works
[16:36] <_Sponge> When is 18.04, then ?
[16:36] <tsimonq2> _Sponge: is it the *A* series? Is that how it's going to work?
[16:36] <mhall119> 16.04 = X, 16.10=Y, 17.04=Z, 17.10=A(?)
[16:37] <_Sponge> oh ok .. so it's B, right-oh. (18.04)
[16:37] <mhall119> Breezy Badger Strikes Back
[16:38] <_Sponge> Maybe he'll go for the greek alphabet ?
[16:38] <_Sponge> Maybe not.
[16:39] <Knightmare> QUESTION: With the AT&T gone through, will you guys get a nice bonus :D and do you see the deal as a possible foothold for Ubuntu phone?
[16:39] <tsimonq2> dholbach: thanks :)
[16:40] <dragon77> QUESTION:Do we have to pretty much just use open source GPU drivers for Mir ATM?
[16:40] <_Sponge> What happened with AT&T ?
[16:40] <Knightmare> QUESTION: What do you think is missing to make ubuntu great platform for pro gamers?
[16:40] <mhall119> Knightmare: AT&T is a very big company, the part building internal clouds in their datacenter will be quite far removed from the part that picks phones for their retail stores
[16:41] <mhall119> I know with Verizon, they're technically different companies
[16:41] <dragonbite> QUESTION: any work on Google Drive for Linux (as Copy.com is closing May 1, 2016)??  It isn't like Google didn't say a Linux version was coming ... 5 years ago (+/-).. this would be for desktop AND mobile.
[16:41] <_Sponge> QUESTION: When's the next UDS ?
[16:41] <tathhu> Knightmare, games? :P
[16:41] <dragonbite> QUESTION: Any update on American carriers for Ubuntu Phone, or is that run through the handset carriers?
[16:42] <Knightmare> :D
[16:42] <Knightmare> other than that
[16:43] <tsimonq2> +1 dragonbite
[16:43] <_Sponge> QUESTION: With popey's prediction on the ubuntu podcast of ten Ubuntu phones, by the end of the year (available) How many are left, and are needed, in stores to reach ten phones ?
[16:44] <mhall119> popey said 10 phones?
[16:44] <_Sponge> yes.
[16:44] <popey> 10 _devices_
[16:44] <_Sponge> whatever.
[16:44] <mhall119> I'm surprised they let popey make predictions about these things, sounds like cheating to me
[16:44] <tsimonq2> XD
[16:44] <tathhu> :D
[16:45]  * _Sponge likes insider knowledge.
[16:45] <mhall119> "fast paced" by normal standards, "slow" by jcastro standards
[16:45] <Knightmare> QUESTION: When will we see a converged codebase on the desktop?
[16:47] <dragonbite> I mean "Official" Google Drive
[16:47] <diddledan> QUESTION: was the ubucon summit videoed and when will those videos be uploaded to youtube?
[16:47] <tsimonq2> QUESTION: What happens to Unity 7 after Unity 8 is released and what happens for people who are still using Unity 7? Will it automatically update with a do-release-upgrade? I can see a flavor of Ubuntu for Unity 7 XD
[16:47] <mhall119> diddledan: SCALE recorded some of UbuCon for us
[16:47] <dragos> QUESTION:why ubuntu phone emulator is allways offline?
[16:48] <tsimonq2> diddledan, mhall119: It's in the UWN
[16:48] <_Sponge> dholbach: popey I meant UOS !
[16:48] <diddledan> thanks mhall119
[16:48] <mhall119> next UOS should be in May
[16:48] <_Sponge> ok, cheers.  Yaddie Yaddie Yaddie ... It's in May ...
[16:51] <dholbach> _Sponge: whaaaat!? :)
[16:52] <_Sponge> dholbach: Only kidding :)
[16:52] <tsimonq2> dholbach: they are in the UWN
[16:54] <dholbach> awesome
[16:55] <_Sponge> QUESTION: As we are heavily restricted when viewing on-line videos for UbuCons. Would Canonical consider getting a TV department for the UbuCons etc .. So we can actually see the friggin' event.
[16:55] <_Sponge> i.e. there are always youtube problems, that could be solved by a TV team.
[16:56] <mhall119> _Sponge: SCALE had a large A/V team already there, and since we were using their venue space they already had everything setup
[16:56] <mhall119> they just had technical problems on the first day
[16:56] <_Sponge> mhall119: Yeah, but it was crapolla.
[16:56] <tsimonq2> QUESTION: are there QA test cases for Unity 8?
[16:57] <dragos> QUESTION:how to install apps to ubuntu phone emulator?
[16:58] <tsimonq2> popey, dholbach: where can I find them?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!
[16:58] <_Sponge> Note: Dragos is ten years old.
[16:59] <tsimonq2> _Sponge: I'm 13 XD
[16:59] <dholbach> tsimonq2: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/trunk/files/head:/tests/
[16:59] <dholbach> not exactly hard to find, right? :-)
[16:59] <tsimonq2> thanks dholbach :)
[16:59] <tsimonq2> :D
[16:59] <_Sponge> Ok bye everyone !
[16:59] <dholbach> :-)
[17:00] <tsimonq2> thanks popey and dholbach :)
[17:00] <dholbach> big hugs! :)
[17:00] <tsimonq2> :D
[17:00] <dholbach> thanks everyone!
[17:00] <dragos_> :)
[17:00] <_Sponge> cool.
[17:00] <_Sponge> time for a cigar - THAT'S A WRAP !
[17:01] <popey> \o/
[17:01] <popey> thanks everyone
[17:01] <tsimonq2> dholbach: I'll let you know about that Snappy documentation...can I find you on #snappy?
[17:02] <dholbach> sure
[17:02] <tsimonq2> dholbach: okay, see you around :D
[17:02] <dholbach> rock and roll
[17:02] <_Sponge> Remember the survey : https://twitter.com/naggsen/status/694529610063712256


[04:48] <shcherbak> hello?
[04:51] <shcherbak> detarame?
[07:20] <Emmanuel_Chanel> amigojapan: Yes.
[07:20] <Emmanuel_Chanel> Hello!
[12:22] <Emmanuel_Chanel> Hello!
[12:23] <amigojapan> Emmanuel_Chanel: hello
[12:23] <amigojapan> 僕が作った辞書使ってみてください。http://carrydesktop.dyndns.org/ad/ad.html　　　オートコンプリート機能があります
[12:24] <Emmanuel_Chanel> 半角スペース空けて下さいな… http://carrydesktop.dyndns.org/ad/ad.html
[12:27] <Emmanuel_Chanel> IRC@2ch で宣伝してみた？
[12:29] <amigojapan> Emmanuel_Chanel: you want me to open more space?
[12:29] <amigojapan> 宣伝しめいます
[12:42] <Emmanuel_Chanel> amigojapan: This channel is more open, shown in the public web.
[12:43] <Emmanuel_Chanel> Probably, good to examine it. But I don't promise...
[12:43] <amigojapan> Emmanuel_Chanel: I dont understand
[12:45] <Emmanuel_Chanel> 試してみるのもいいかも知れないけど，約束は出来ない．
[12:47] <Emmanuel_Chanel> amigojapan: The log of this channel is public in the web.
[12:47] <amigojapan> なるほど
[12:50] <Emmanuel_Chanel> amigojapan: Probably, good to try using your software. But I don't promise to do.
[12:52] <amigojapan> Emmanuel_Chanel: its just a webpage, its not a downloadable program
[12:52] <Emmanuel_Chanel> I know.
[12:52] <amigojapan> ok
[12:52] <amigojapan> it would just take you a minute to try it out Emmanuel_Chanel
[13:14] <Emmanuel_Chanel> It' better if I can click the auto-completed words.
[16:56] <amigojapan> Emmanuel_Chanel: I will make it so you can click on the words tomorrow
[17:01] <Emmanuel_Chanel> ok.


[14:46] <mattgriffin> would anyone with Ubuntu running on ARM be willing to join the Ubuntu One beta program and provide feedback on any issues?
[14:51] <ogra> mattgriffin, i dont think we have many desktop users yet :)
[14:53] <ogra> the HW we target isnt on the market yet, and users running ubuntu on their ARMs atm will rather have systems that are not really powerful, but given that ubuntuone is in the default install i'll include it in image testing
[14:53] <ogra> plars, ^^^ can we take that into account in the testing process ?
[14:54] <mattgriffin> ogra: great! thanks so much. just want to make sure we won't have compatibility problems with ARMs.
[14:55] <mattgriffin> ogra: ping me if you need access to the beta or have any questions/feedback.
[14:56] <ogra> mattgriffin, will do
[15:25] <Martyn> morning
[15:25] <plars> mattgriffin, ogra: absolutely! I actually just got my account active on it a few days ago
[15:25] <ogra> heh, me too
[15:25] <mattgriffin> :)
[15:26] <ogra> my invitation from barcelona was timed out
[15:26] <plars> mattgriffin: are there already test procedures or testsuites in place for ubuntu one client?
[15:26] <plars> mattgriffin: it would be good if we could just take the same tests you are already running and do that on our hardware
[15:26] <mattgriffin> ogra: i'll share a file with you and it will send you another invitation
[15:27] <ogra> i applied for one and have it running
[15:27] <mattgriffin> plars: cool. i'll check into those.
[15:38] <Martyn> ogra : Do we have a rootfs for 9.10?
[15:38] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/project-rootstock/
[15:38] <Martyn> ogra : I've been asked to demonstrate it on the PBX-A9 if possible .. but I haven't been keeping up with the current state of devel.
[15:39] <ogra> (the script formerly known as ...)
[15:39] <Martyn> right :)
[15:40] <ogra> you need to run it on 9.10 or at least pull the debootstrap from it into your system
[15:40] <Martyn> Is the prereq having a fully installed QEMU environment still?
[15:40] <ogra> yep
[15:40] <Martyn> okay, I'll update my system to the current 9.10 alpha and give it a shot
[15:40] <ogra> you could use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/BuildEABIChroot but that only bootstraps the system, you need to chroot and configure manually
[15:41] <Martyn> I'll give your new script a try :)
[15:41] <ogra> but its significantly faster
[15:41] <ogra> ok
[15:41] <Martyn> Might as well start eating the dogfood :)
[15:41] <Martyn> (as they say)
[15:41] <ogra> thats good, i'll package it soon
[15:41] <ogra> and am working on a gui version
[15:41] <Martyn> ogra : meanwhile I can just check it out from the repository, yea?
[15:41] <ogra> right
[15:41] <Martyn> current trunk should be stable enough to use?
[15:41] <ogra> yep
[15:42] <ogra> if you see issues, let me know
[15:42]  * Martyn starts downloading the 9.10 alpha image
[15:43] <Martyn> server install CD should be enough, yea?
[15:43] <ogra> yeah
[15:59] <rjune_wrk> ogra: who builds perl for arm currently?
[15:59] <ogra> nobody specifically, why ?
[16:00] <rjune_wrk> I need to cross compile it.
[16:00] <ogra> (there is nothing thats specifically built for arm)
[16:00] <ogra> our arm buildds act like the i386 ones and just pick up the source package once its uploaded
[16:00] <rjune_wrk> are you cross compilng? or does the build system run on an arm box?
[16:01] <ogra> crosscompiling is a massive effort
[16:01] <rjune_wrk> yes i t is
[16:01] <ogra> we are building everything natively
[16:01] <rjune_wrk> damn.
[16:01] <ogra> crosscompiling means to build the whole dependency chain first
[16:01] <rjune_wrk> Yup.
[16:01] <rjune_wrk> I know what it takes.
[16:02] <ogra> right
[16:02] <ogra> then you know why we build only natively :)
[16:02] <rjune_wrk> I've been using crosstool for most of those bits.
[16:02] <rjune_wrk> yea.
[16:03]  * ogra goes on a call
[16:03] <rjune_wrk> thx ogra
[16:03] <ogra> welcome


[01:35] <phunyguy> So I am trying out Kubuntu 12.10 again, and I noticed that KDE IM Contacts has replaced Kopete... It also doesn't seem to have IRC support.  Is there a package to install for it?
[01:38] <captain> I think Konversation is fine
[01:38] <phunyguy> Maybe so, but that is your choice.  :)
[03:21] <unheeding> does everyone else have an "accessories" submenu in there applications menu?
[03:21] <unheeding> *their
[03:23] <unheeding> anyone?
[03:23] <unheeding> bueller?
[03:41] <unheeding> anybody here/
[03:42] <saket> i am
[03:43] <unheeding> saket
[03:43] <unheeding> argh
[03:53] <phunyguy_t430s> unheeding: I missed your question.  did you ask one?
[03:53] <unheeding> does kubuntu have an "accessories" submenu in the k-menu?
[03:53] <unheeding> i think i found the answer: no
[03:58] <stone_> ？
[03:59] <unheeding> stone_: !
[04:02] <stone_> hello，i am a new one .
[05:31] <phunyguy_t430s> does Kubuntu 12.10 have some sort of groupware client, like something that integrate with MS Exchange?
[07:49] <ussher_> does anyone know the alternative for the command line tool 'top' that also shows multi-cores.  trying to search for 'top alternaive' doesnt really work in the search engines.
[07:49] <hateball> ussher_: you can just press '1' in top to show all the cores
[07:49] <hateball> ussher_: or do you perhaps mean something like htop ?
[07:50] <ussher_> perfect, htop is the one
[07:50] <ussher_> cheers hateball
[08:18] <Fuzzles272> whould the steam for linux work on kubuntu?
[08:19] <Smurphy> Yes it does. Have it here. Make sure that you disable acceleration in case Full screen apps are run, and you have the fastest ever Steam experience.
[08:19] <Fuzzles272> how do i disable this?
[08:20] <Smurphy> I'm in the Steam Linux Beta programm, and so far - I just hit the Bug of Serious Sam (1FPS). The rest works.
[08:20] <hateball> Smurphy: Have they released any more free things? Last I checked it was only TF2
[08:20] <hateball> Don't really feel like shelling out a bunch of cash to beta-test
[08:20] <Smurphy> System Settings -> Desktop Effects -> Advanced -> Suspend desktop effects for fullscreen windows.
[08:21] <Smurphy> hateball: Guess it's only TF2 - but I do own quite a bunch of stuff that also runs on Linux and is avail on Steam.
[08:22] <hateball> Smurphy: Ah, so if you buy something for OtherOs you are free to use on Linux too?
[08:22] <hateball> This is quite !ot I suppose
[08:22] <Fuzzles272> ok thanks is kde still slow and bloated im running it now on a dell studio laptop dont no if its improved since i last tried it
[08:24] <hateball> It's hardly slow and bloated on somewhat modern hardware
[08:24] <Smurphy> hateball: Yes.
[08:24] <hateball> If you expect to run it on a P3 with 512... then you're not going to have a pleasant experience
[08:25] <Smurphy> If you have a Windows version of Serious Sam, you can run it under linux too, or Mac Os X if the code/port exists.
[08:25] <Fuzzles272> im running it on an i3 with 3 GB? i just wan tto run steam dn the games smoothly
[08:25] <hateball> Sounds plenty to me
[08:26] <Smurphy> That should e fine.
[08:26] <hateball> For games, the GPU will matter as well. If you're using the onboard 3000 chip... that wont be fun. I have that on one machine
[08:26] <Fuzzles272> ok, another question i added the kubuntu backports on 12.04 and everytime the applications update the muon suite has to be reinstalled ?
[08:28] <Smurphy> Fuzzles272: Nope. Not every tme.
[08:28] <Smurphy> time
[08:28] <Fuzzles272> Smurphy: ive had to :(
[08:30] <Smurphy> Works nice here ... Don't have an issue ...
[08:32] <Fuzzles272> Smurphy: ok what are your guys view on the whole unity thing?
[08:32] <Smurphy> I don't use it.
[08:32] <Smurphy> slow hog, using gnome apps too... It'=s not clean enough
[08:33] <Fuzzles272> slow hog? really whats wrong with gnome apps?
[08:35] <Smurphy> When KDE first came out, the developers decided to use the Qt library for one simple reason: To all use the same Widget Library, for the same look and feel etc.
[08:36] <Smurphy> Then Came Miguel and said -= we can do it better. Created gnome with some folks, and they decided to use the gtk/gtk+ widget sets uase by gimp at that time.
[08:36] <Smurphy> Problem was - that eveyr developer used his own version of gtk/gtk+ library, and other libraries and did not stick to a same base.
[08:37] <Smurphy> This resulted in a standard Gnome installation requiring 20 different gtk/gtk+ libraries just to run ... and that - IMHO s*cks ....
[08:37] <Smurphy> reason I refuse to actually look at it until they have not fixed that part -> decide the use the same base libraries. Period.
[08:37] <Fuzzles272> ye i dont see that changing tbh
[08:40] <Fuzzles272> is there a way to revert back to the kde version adn applications that are stuck with 12.04 before i did the updates of the kubuntu backports? or is a reinstalled needed?
[08:44] <Smurphy> Fuzzles272: Actually - I am using 12.10 with backports enabled, and do not have any issues.
[08:44] <Smurphy> What you will have to do - is to remove the kde-desktop alltogether, the disable the backport repository, then reinstall kde-desktop components again.
[08:44] <Fuzzles272> Smurphy: in the meny additional drivers program is missing too
[08:45] <Smurphy> it is called jokey.
[08:45] <Smurphy> -> jockey-kde
[08:46] <yofel_> ppa-purge can be used to remove a PPA and the packages that came from it.
[08:46] <Smurphy> !ask joceky-kde
[08:46] <Fuzzles272> whats called jockey?
[08:46] <Smurphy> yofel: Cool. didn't know that one :)
[08:47] <Smurphy> it is the additional driver GUI interface. You can also invoque it on the console: jockey-text
[08:47] <Fuzzles272> Smurphy: well its missing :S
[08:49] <Smurphy> check if kde-desktop is installed
[08:49] <Smurphy> or - kde-standard ;)
[08:49] <yofel> Fuzzles272: btw. could you pastebin your /var/log/apt/history.log somewhere? muon really shouldn't be removed on update
[08:51] <Smurphy> Shit - sorry. It is called: kubuntu-desktop
[08:51] <Smurphy> make sure that one is installed. it will make sure that an entire set of applications will be kept up to date.
[08:51] <Fuzzles272> yofel: http://pastebin.com/dFsxVRME
[08:52] <Fuzzles272> Smurphy: i only see kubuntu-standard is that it?
[08:53] <yofel> thanks
[08:53] <yofel> no, kubuntu-desktop is the right one
[08:54] <Smurphy> kubuntu-desktop ...
[08:54] <Fuzzles272> thats not installed :S but i installed through the cd :S
[08:54] <Smurphy> Fuzzles272: make an: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:55] <yofel> it was probably removed at some point (which shouldn't happen either)
[08:55] <Fuzzles272> so if i install that my muon suite and driver manager will stay?
[08:58] <Smurphy> it shoudl. It will trigger the dependencies ...
[08:59] <Fuzzles272> ok thanks i hope it fixes dont no how it was uninstalled :S what do the kubuntu backports actually do?
[08:59] <Fuzzles272> without soundng like a newbie as i used to use ubuntu but got sick of unity and always liked the look of kde
[09:00] <yofel> they provide a newer KDE release and a few other application updates
[09:01] <Fuzzles272> ok thanks how do i refresh the kickoff lancher because it doesnt always show new instakked programs
[09:02] <yofel> try to run 'kbuildsycoca4' which will force a kde system cache update if it didn't pick them up
[09:02] <Fuzzles272> thanks mate
[09:03] <Fuzzles272> for steam do i need to install any different drivers or not?
[09:04] <Blacklist> Fuzzles272, no is same drivers
[09:04] <Fuzzles272> Blacklist: thanks
[09:08] <CosmicB> is there no kubuntu alternate cdimage available ?
[09:08] <yofel> not for 12.10+
[09:09] <yofel> you'll have to use the mini.iso or ubuntu-server install and go from there if you need the alternate installer
[09:09] <CosmicB> ah, ok
[09:09] <CosmicB> anybody know if the desktop installer supports lvm, software raid and so on now ? I've been using the alternate installer for years because of this
[09:10] <yofel> lvm with encryption yes but I think not RAID yet
[09:10] <CosmicB> yofel: ah, ok thnx. I can live without software raid, since it's my laptop and it only got 1 disk :p
[10:36] <ovidiu-florin> hello, I get this error while trying to copy a folder with it's contents from an FTP locations in dolphin: "Could not connect to host ftp.something.ro. Reason: 421 There are too many connections from your internet address."
[10:36] <ovidiu-florin> If I use nautilus everything works fine
[10:37] <ovidiu-florin> forgot to mention, I'm copying from ftp to local
[10:37] <Smurphy> as it said it. too many connection attempts from your IP.
[10:38] <ovidiu-florin> from where?
[10:39] <ovidiu-florin> from just trying to copy a folder?
[10:39] <ovidiu-florin> there are no other connections from my computer to any other server
[10:39] <ovidiu-florin> none that I've made
[10:39] <Smurphy> probably the client you use is parallelizing the request.
[10:40] <ovidiu-florin> I'm using dolphin
[10:42] <Smurphy> yes. Can happen. it is very efficient ...
[10:42] <ovidiu-florin> I don't understand
[10:48] <vitimiti> (·.·)/
[10:50] <hateball> ovidiu-florin: it means it creates a new connection for the file transfer
[10:51] <ovidiu-florin> hateball: a new connection for each file?
[10:52] <hateball> ovidiu-florin: not impossible, I'm not familiar with how dolphin works with FTP
[10:52] <hateball> It's quite common behavior tho
[10:52] <ovidiu-florin> where can I find the source code for dolphin?
[10:54] <hateball> ovidiu-florin: apt-get source dolphin
[10:54] <hateball> ovidiu-florin: it will pull in quite a bit more tho
[10:54] <hateball> but there it is
[10:56] <jonah> hi does anyone know how to get flash player to use hdmi sound?
[10:56] <ovidiu-florin> hateball: thank you
[10:57] <ovidiu-florin> Guest67472: just set your main audio output on HDMI
[10:57] <Guest67472> ovidiu-florin: where do i do this, tried in phonon but that doesn't seem to give me sound on the tv from flash
[10:58] <ovidiu-florin> Select Audio playback on the left, and on the right prefer your HDMI sound board
[10:59] <ovidiu-florin> jonah_: Select Audio playback on the left, and on the right prefer your HDMI sound board
[11:01] <jonah_> ovidiu-florin: ha thanks it's working now
[11:25] <vitimiti> I installed kubuntu in a laptop, but without the battery, so I had to add the applet afterwards, is there any way to insert it in the system tray?
[11:32] <ewgen> hi to all
[11:33] <ewgen> кто может ответить на пару вопросов про установку багзиллы?
[11:33] <bazhang> !ru | ewgen
[11:34] <ewgen>  /join #ubuntu-ru
[11:38] <jolo1234> hey i have xp - Kubuntu dual boot, but how do i get into my pc bios now?
[11:41] <Peace-> jolo1234: ...
[11:42] <Peace-> jolo1234: i mean when you will load your computer it will says something like type f10 or canc or f12 or some other stuff to enter in the bios
[11:43] <jolo1234> yea that doesn't come up anymore
[11:44] <Peace-> jolo1234: this is not due to kubuntu
[11:45] <Peace-> kubuntu will load after the boot
[11:45] <Peace-> after the boot will load the boot manager
[11:45] <Peace-> and then you will get kubuntu
[11:46] <jolo1234> mine just goes straight to select windows or kubuntu
[11:49] <Peace-> jolo1234: mmm make a video
[11:49] <Peace-> you could get a combination
[11:50] <jolo1234> i will b back later today i have work
[12:14] <blueapple> hi
[12:15] <Smurphy> jo
[12:20] <blu_> Ciao
[12:21] <blu_> !list
[12:38] <blueapple> ....
[12:39] <Smurphy> ;;;;
[12:39] <blueapple> are you human?
[12:40] <Smurphy> .oO(TuringTestStart)
[12:40] <Smurphy> Why do you say I'm human ?
[12:44] <blueapple> oh
[12:44] <blueapple> Are you chinese?
[12:45] <tsimpson> you fail, the correct response is "Do you think I'm human?"
[12:45] <blueapple> ....
[12:48] <Peace-> tsimpson: :))
[12:49] <blueapple> what your use chat soft?
[12:49] <blueapple> pidgin ?
[12:50] <tsimpson> quassel
[12:50] <Peace-> konversation
[12:51] <Peace-> cuz k is better lol
[12:56] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:19] <Smurphy> :}
[13:19]  * Smurphy is human. Just had lunch ... acually
[13:19] <voltagex> hey, just testing out the 13 alpha - hv_storvsc module is crashing in the installer
[13:21] <Peace-> voltagex: tried daily build ?
[13:21] <Peace-> voltagex: or ...
[13:21] <BluesKaj> voltagex, join #ubuntu+1 for 13.04 issues
[13:21] <voltagex> BluesKaj: thanks
[13:21] <voltagex> Peace-: URL?
[13:21] <Peace-> voltagex: wait
[13:21]  * voltagex waits
[13:22] <Peace-> voltagex: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[13:23] <voltagex> Peace-: no more jigdo :(
[13:23] <Peace-> voltagex: what?
[13:24] <voltagex> Peace-: you used to be able to use a jigdo file to construct a daily iso from a closer mirror but it looks like that option's gone
[13:24] <Peace-> ah
[13:25] <BluesKaj> I'm searching for the alternate install , was pulled or moved
[13:25] <Peace-> BluesKaj: i guess devs told me there is not anymore
[13:25] <Peace-> BluesKaj: or it's integrated in the live
[13:27] <BluesKaj> that's too bad because the livecd doesn't work on my HW
[13:27] <Peace-> BluesKaj: use the minimal cd of ubuntu
[13:27] <Peace-> BluesKaj: if you want install it ..
[13:27] <Peace-> then you do install kubuntu-desktop and you have done
[13:28] <BluesKaj> where is the minimal or even the net install
[13:31] <Peace-> BluesKaj: wait https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD here theare the stuff but i don't see 13.04
[13:33] <tsimpson> just replace quantal with raring in the link
[13:33] <Peace-> BluesKaj: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/raring/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/      this is 386
[13:34] <BluesKaj> Peace-, AMD64 here
[13:35] <Peace-> BluesKaj: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/raring/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[13:37] <X421> Hi. I can't access my touchpad settings, the system settings crash every time
[13:38] <X421> Any idea what i can do about that?
[13:38] <BluesKaj> thanks Peace- , I should have remembered that site
[13:42] <guyvdb> Hi, I am running 12.10. I am trying to get hplip working correctly with foo2zjs. When I print I get the following error in syslog. Any ideas?  colord-sane: io/hpmud/musb.c 2066: Invalid usb_open: Permission denied
[14:06] <Fuzzles272> need help get error update opengl when trying TF2 on steam
[14:09] <Smurphy> Fuzzles272: All you need to do is start jockey-kde, and install the "Beta" drivers.
[14:10] <Fuzzles272> Smurphy: how would i do that?
[14:10] <Smurphy> start the additional driver selection stuff ..
[14:10] <Fuzzles272> ye
[14:11] <Smurphy> an check what it says...
[14:12] <Smurphy> aqnd see if there are some Beta Drivers.
[14:12] <Smurphy> Which graphic chip do you have BTW ???
[14:13] <Fuzzles272> ati mobility radeon hd 4500 series
[14:14] <Smurphy> Hmmm... Dunno if there are special drivers for that one. on my Gaming computer - I have a NVidia GTX660Ti running.
[14:14] <Fuzzles272> no beta drivers have been listed
[14:15] <Fuzzles272> theres a post release update what ever that is
[14:47] <BluesKaj> Peace-, no luck with the mini either , same issue
[15:13] <phunyguy_t430s> So I am trying to find a good Gwibber alternative for KDE.... I found Chokoq but it doesn't supportFacebook like Gwibber does.  Any ideas?
[15:14] <Smurphy> facebook is banned on y firewall...
[15:16] <phunyguy_t430s> o.O
[15:18] <Smurphy> facebook, twitter, google-analytics... all poit to <IP_ADDRESS> on my DNS, and the major IP's are blocked on my firewall out-filter.
[15:18] <Smurphy> makes life much easier, safer, and intelligent.
[15:19] <phunyguy_t430s> aaah the old black hole trick
[15:19] <phunyguy_t430s> gets em every time.
[15:20] <phunyguy_t430s> I could do the same on my security box, just with a few check boxes.
[15:20] <phunyguy_t430s> but I'm not the only person behind it.
[15:20] <Smurphy> neither am I - but the other's don't use it either.
[15:20] <phunyguy_t430s> My wife is completely addicted to social media.
[15:21] <Smurphy> mine is not. We don't even have TV (Big screen ? yes, we watch loads of Movies. But only the ones _we_ choose)...
[15:21] <phunyguy_t430s> well excuse me, Mr Uppity.   :)
[15:22] <phunyguy_t430s> let me guess... you are vegetarian/vegan too...  ;)
[15:22] <phunyguy_t430s> these are the jokes!
[15:23] <Smurphy> nope. WE eat meat, and are both Online Gamers.
[15:23] <Smurphy> Thing is - we only accept Medias - where we actually do an active choice to do it.
[15:24] <phunyguy_t430s> us to... by changing the channel or not.
[15:26] <Smurphy> nope. Not the same. Yuo hav so much choice, that instead of makeing a definitive choice on what you will do, and out of laziness, you change channel - and get again BRainWashed by the next Social/Soap opera displayed an choosen by other people.
[15:28] <BluesKaj> oh Lord ... I'm brainwashed if I watch my fav TV shows , now :)
[15:29] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: full ACK ...  Always so helpfull when not needed. And when needed, so silent ... cause no knowledge about any topic ...
[15:31] <Smurphy> I know - Off topic again ... but it had to be said ... *brainwashed*
[15:31] <Smurphy> :]
[15:31] <bazhang> Smurphy, this is the wrong place for it
[15:31] <Smurphy> bazhang: As I said - I know. Your rant is as off topic as what we were discussing here.
[15:31] <BluesKaj> Smurphy the decline began whgen tv was introduced , think i was 7 yrs old at the time  :)
[15:32] <phunyguy_t430s> so... does anyone have a /real/ answer to my question?
[15:33] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: :) Impressive you know so much though :)
[15:33] <Smurphy> phunyguy_t430s: not me. sorry.
[15:33] <phunyguy_t430s> now that it rolled off the screen due to !ot chat
[15:33] <Smurphy> :}
[15:34] <ugasai> yes I hssve a question
[15:34] <BluesKaj> phunyguy_t430s, not many Gwibber questions here ,, no experience with it
[15:36] <ugasai> in the system settings under locale I want to install the japanese language set but it wont let me tick input meathods of extra fots check box
[15:37] <ugasai> from what I understad this is a bug when might it be fixed?
[15:37] <ugasai> from the site is says it has been I think but still no luck
[15:38] <hateball> From which site?
[15:39]  * BluesKaj 's ancestors lived in Munster and moved to Sweden then to Finland , then we moved to Canada ... neat how that works :)
[15:39] <bazhang> ugasai, are you using ibus?
[15:39] <BluesKaj> oops wrong chat
[15:39] <ugasai> yes I am bazhang
[15:40] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: So you are European ... :}
[15:40] <bazhang> ugasai, let me check the bug tracker, is this kubuntu 12.10? 12.04
[15:40] <bazhang> Smurphy, thats enough.
[15:40] <BluesKaj> Smurphy, Canadian citizen
[15:40] <ugasai> umm 12.04
[15:43] <bazhang> Ibus needs additional packages to work with japanese, I found it working only after installing ibus-anthy and then adding Japanese in the iBus settings. See if this helps.   ugasai
[15:43] <ugasai> ok thanks I'll try that
[15:46] <bazhang> ugasai, after installation, you will need to restart ibus   (not the whole system, just ibus)
[15:49] <ugasai> hmm ok well I have I bus installed as of last night did a cold boot this morning and Ibus does have japanese listed but it's greyed out and won't let me choose
[15:49] <bazhang> ugasai, and which ibus packages do you have installed?
[15:51] <bazhang> ugasai, did you ever run the initial set up of ibus?
[15:51] <ugasai> what woul be the fastes way to look? (not too new to linux...but last I used it was Red Hat)
[15:52] <phoenix_firebrd> compositing type defaults to xrender even after chaning to opengl this is happening after upgrading to kde 4.9.4
[15:52] <phoenix_firebrd> using kubuntu 12.10
[15:52] <bazhang> ugasai, alt f2   ibus-setup
[15:53] <phoenix_firebrd> opening chromium browser crashes the system
[15:55] <ugasai> according to package mananger I have ibus cire ibus-qt4 ibus-anthy lib-ibus-qt1 python support universal input method widget shared library and im-config
[15:56] <bazhang> ugasai, great
[15:56] <bazhang> ugasai, now run ibus-setup
[15:56] <ugasai> ok
[15:57] <ugasai> done
[16:01] <bazhang> ugasai, and you set what languages to use, and the methods? then restarted ibus?
[16:04] <ugasai> yes
[16:05] <bazhang> ugasai, and whats the hotkey combo to switch?
[16:06] <ugasai> Control+space; Zenkaku_Hankaku; Alt+Kanji; Alt+grave; Hangul; Alt+Release+Alt_R
[16:06] <bazhang> ok
[16:06] <bazhang> is that working?
[16:07] <ugasai> no
[16:07] <bazhang> ugasai, what are you using it with? a browser? a text editor? or what
[16:08] <ugasai> libre writer <IP_ADDRESS> build:2
[16:10] <phoenix_firebrd> is it safe to delete the contents of /var/tmp/                 ?
[16:13] <bazhang> ugasai, just loading libreoffice here to test
[16:16] <ugasai> I understand
[16:33] <bazhang> http://academicallychallenged.wordpress.com/2012/08/29/writing-in-japanese-in-libreoffice-on-ubuntu-12-04/  ugasai
[16:33] <c_smith> Hi, what is the command to lock the screen in KDE 4.9?
[16:36] <phunyguy_t430s_> ok another question.  I see in network-manager, there is an option for OpenVPN.  I got the connection working, and checked the box that says "connect automatically", however when I connect to the internet, it doesn't connect the VPN automatically.  Is there a fix aside from running openvpn as a service?
[16:40] <phunyguy_t430s_> test
[16:41] <phunyguy_t430s_> am I still visible?
[16:41] <c_smith> phunyguy_t430s_, yep
[16:42] <phunyguy_t430s_> kk
[16:42] <phunyguy_t430s_> messing with the network settings.
[16:42] <yofel> c_smith: I'm on 4.10 beta1 so there's a chance this is wrong thanks to the new screenlocker, but try: qdbus org.kde.ksmserver /ScreenSaver org.freedesktop.ScreenSaver.Lock
[16:42] <phunyguy_t430s_> may have to run a custom keepalive script, which checks if I am home (is my router pingable), if not, send nmcli command to bring up the VPN
[16:43] <phunyguy_t430s_> and set proxy stuff.
[16:50] <rickycezar> D ( ͡º ͜ʖ ͡º)
[16:51] <rickycezar> D ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[16:52] <phunyguy_t430s_> that was actually pretty cool... but still offtopic.
[16:53] <Guest54150> test
[17:36] <minuteman> #centos
[17:37] <phunyguy_t430s_> fail.
[19:04] <ugasai> bazhang you still there? sorry got caught up in something I still can't use is
[19:06] <ugasai> one site I did find said to check the input methods box and extra fonts when installing the language but I can not check them
[19:07] <ugasai> that is installing the language in system settings under systemsettings
[19:07] <ugasai> err system languges
[20:05] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[20:20] <phunyguy_work> ok what am I missing.... I am using networkmanager-openvpn and the connection works fine except for one thing.  I am trying to get it to make that connection the default route.
[20:21] <phunyguy_work> I found the checkbox for "use only for resources on this network", but that didnt change anything.  On the server it is set as well to use it as the default route.
[20:33] <bobbyva76> hello
[20:34] <bobbyva76> I was hoping someone could give me another opinion before i do a wipe and reinstall
[20:37] <bobbyva76> so does anyone care to give an opinion?
[20:37] <dougl> sure
[20:37] <dougl> what windows ver is it?
[20:37] <dougl> wipe it anyway
[20:37] <bobbyva76> i have recently installed 12.10 ubuntu
[20:38] <dougl> lol - just kidding :)
[20:38] <bobbyva76> everything was recognized and ur right
[20:38] <dougl> ubuntu or kubuntu?
[20:38] <dougl> ubuntu with no kde really sucks in my opinion...
[20:39] <dougl> I hate the new ubuntu.
[20:39] <bobbyva76> ubuntu but i took all the ubuntu stuff out and am running kde
[20:39] <dougl> ok
[20:39] <bobbyva76> the issue is compiz doesnt work and i keep getting errors for the system and compiz
[20:40] <bobbyva76> the system seems fine but the back end i get errors on boot and the system throws a crash error up every now and then
[20:41] <dougl> if ya got nothing to lose... sec, you have no effects working?
[20:41] <bobbyva76> i was hoping for an easy fix but it is a new install so i wont lose anything. all data is on another drive
[20:42] <yofel> the question would be rather why you're running compiz in kde? Any special reason why you're not using kwin?
[20:42] <bobbyva76> just not familiar with it
[20:42] <bobbyva76> more familiar with gnome and afterstep
[20:44] <bobbyva76> i have to go get my son from school i will be back. leaving screen up
[21:22] <rn> alguien me lee?
[21:23] <dougl>  alguien me lee??
[21:27] <rork> !pt | wild guess
[22:23] <spike_sfh> hey all new to Kubuntu where can I get free Book for the OS so I know what I am going lol
[22:31] <netrunner_> is there a way to disable the anoying KWallet crap ?  Looks like KDE like to make poorly done applications no one needs
[22:47] <zer0f1ll> netrunner_: it's a gui sudo. you need root access to modify network interfaces.
[22:48] <netrunner_> still a silly dumb idea Gnome doesn't have it Mac doen't have it either nor does Windows
[22:49] <zer0f1ll> gnome has a gui sudo system as well.
[22:50] <SIR_Taco> netrunner_: either disable kwallet in your system settings (under "Account Details") or remove it entirely if you do not want it (package name: "kwalletmanager")
[22:51] <netrunner_> looks like the KDE team doesn't know aabout truecrypt
[22:51] <netrunner_> lol
[22:51] <zer0f1ll> but how to get it to stop crashing every two days? that's my question.
[22:52] <netrunner_> i bet they will invent ktcrypt so they can waste money and time like with kwallet and konqueror lol
[22:52] <SIR_Taco> also, a great way to get help is to not bitch and complain about how aweful everything is that you want help with
[22:53] <zer0f1ll> I'd submit a bug report when it happens, but that mechanism won't work once the window manager goes away.
[22:53] <netrunner_> Hey I do reviews I am not using linux cause its good heaven knows if i where you wouldn't be on a chat ha?
[22:53] <SIR_Taco> zer0f1ll: how does it crash? becomes unresponsive? resets the computer?  restarts KDE?
[22:55] <netrunner_> Best advice only use linux on virtualbox always
[22:55] <zer0f1ll> SIR_Taco: window manager goes away, all windows appear (if any were minimized), mouse still works, X still running, apps still running, focused window is the one in which the mouse is over, no new windows are created, desktop wallpaper right-click menu does work... no window decorations...  have to hard kill X from a console to bring it back up again.
[22:58] <SIR_Taco> zer0f1ll: anything strange in your ~/.xsession-errors   file?
[23:00] <zer0f1ll> SIR_Taco: lots of stuff in there, but no timestamps. what am I looking for?
[23:03] <SIR_Taco> zer0f1ll: sorry, I meant right after it happens
[23:04] <zer0f1ll> SIR_Taco: i'll copy it after the next crash.
[23:06] <SIR_Taco> zer0f1ll: only other thing I can think of is running: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kde-workspace plasma-desktop
[23:07] <zer0f1ll> SIR_Taco: wait, I found a .xsession-errors.old file
[23:08] <zer0f1ll> looks like it was created right before I re-started today.
[23:10] <zer0f1ll> what is QThread?
[23:12] <SIR_Taco> zer0f1ll: it's a QT programming call
[23:12] <zer0f1ll> ProcessControl: Application '/usr/bin/nepomukservicestub' stopped unexpected (Process crashed)
[23:15] <SIR_Taco> zer0f1ll: nepomuk is part of the meta-data/file search database for KDE... you could try disabling it to see if it fixes the problem
[23:16] <SIR_Taco> all of the options for it are under System Settings -> Desktop Search
[23:18] <zer0f1ll> good idea, thx. will let u know how it goes in a few days.
[23:19] <SIR_Taco> good luck, hope you get it fixed
[23:22] <zer0f1ll> SIR_Taco: how long does your gui run?
[23:23] <SIR_Taco> until I restart.... sometimes 6 months. Only time it crashes is when I'm fiddling with things I shouldn't be :)
[23:24] <zer0f1ll> SIR_Taco: outstanding! wish I had that. my last install was pretty good. then i screwed it up and upgraded.
[23:25] <SIR_Taco> there's a solution out there for just about everything.... just a matter of finding it
[23:28] <zer0f1ll> SIR_Taco: good way of thinking about it.
[23:31] <zer0f1ll> SIR_Taco: so then the next question is: if the problem is nepomuk, how can it cause the window manager to crash? (it shouldn't be able to do that)
[23:35] <SIR_Taco> zer0f1ll: that's a good question... no it *shouldn't*... but it doesn't me it can't. Just a hypothesis to try out. Best thing is to reconfigure the workspace and desktop and if it crashes again make a copy of your .xsession-errors before restarting X and hopefully we can get a better understanding of what's going on
[23:36] <SIR_Taco> *me = mean
[23:36] <zer0f1ll> SIR_Taco: yaa, will try that.


[16:29] <astraljava> Was there a meeting today?
[16:29] <astraljava> Ahh... nevermind, thought I'd hit the wiki instead. :D
[16:30] <astraljava> ...which seems dead for a change...
[16:31] <astraljava> So, 1700 UTC?
[16:34] <holstein> astraljava: yeah
[16:35] <holstein> an hour and a half away
[16:35] <holstein> *in theory
[16:35] <holstein> its a holiday weekend in the states
[16:38] <holstein> ScottL: are you around today for the meeting
[16:38] <holstein> ?
[16:42] <holstein> hey ailo_ :)
[16:53] <astraljava> holstein: Right, yeah everybody's out in Mexico getting robbed.
[16:54] <astraljava> And no, I don't mean everybody gets robbed while in Mexico. I am pointing to the headlines which said a drug cartel was specifically aiming for American tourists this weekend.
[18:15] <holstein> *due to the holidays, the ubuntustudio meeting scheduled for 15 minutes ago will be cancelled
[18:15] <holstein> we'll catch up next time :)
[18:22] <astraljava> Okay. :)
[18:33] <ailo_> postpone it a week?
[18:34] <holstein> ailo_: i was just about to talk with shnatsel about that
[18:34] <holstein> ailo_: we can
[18:34] <holstein> also, shnatsel posted https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2011-June/003391.html
[18:35] <holstein> shnatsel: COOL.. you're an elementaryOS dev?
[18:35] <shnatsel> holstein: yes
[18:36] <shnatsel> holstein: I'm one of the packagers, but my main role is maintaining the ISO and integrating our stuff into Ubuntu base
[18:37] <shnatsel> and lots of other miscellaneous work we all get now and then
[18:38] <shnatsel> I used to maintain a small artistic Ubuntu spin for 2 years, that's when I learned lots of things that led me to being elementary OS dev :)
[18:38] <holstein> shnatsel: glad you are here
[18:38] <holstein> we are actually focused quite heavily on audio
[18:39] <holstein> it would be great to have someone more aware of graphics
[18:39] <shnatsel> holstein: well, that might be me
[18:40] <shnatsel> Ubuntu seriously lacks painterly software
[18:40] <holstein> agreed
[18:40] <holstein> when i saw that post, i personally dont know enough about graphics to respond
[18:41] <holstein> and, when folks come in with new audio apps, i see they are usually directed to get them in upstream
[18:41] <holstein> however, it didnt look like those are totally differnt apps
[18:41] <holstein> so it might be something we can implement
[18:41] <holstein> shnatsel: how official is elemetaryOS ??
[18:42] <holstein> seems we are quite bound to the buntu base in a way that can actually keep us from implementing some features
[18:42] <shnatsel> holstein: absolutely official for our project, not related to canonical
[18:43] <shnatsel> holstein: these apps are not related to elementary OS anyway
[18:43] <holstein> i guess my gerneral concern is, if these are *not* in the repos
[18:43] <holstein> we really cant implement it
[18:44] <holstein> we needed a proper kernel for 11.04
[18:44] <holstein> it didnt get worked into the repos
[18:44] <holstein> so, we just dont have a proper kernel
[18:44] <holstein> for realtime audio
[18:44] <shnatsel> holstein: yeah, I know, trademark and such
[18:44] <shnatsel> holstein: no, they are not in the repos, some of them weren't even packaged. It would be nice if somebody pushed them there, though.
[18:45] <holstein> are these things you can push to debian?
[18:45] <shnatsel> I'm an absolute noob at all the paperwork related to it and I've never did it
[18:45] <holstein> im pretty sure that is the quickest way to get something in ubuntu
[18:45] <shnatsel> holstein: Debian seems to use systems so ancient that I couldn't even report a bug about it
[18:46] <shnatsel> I spent 15 minutes but then gave it up
[18:46] <holstein> shnatsel: we'll talk to ScottL about it more when he's around
[18:46] <shnatsel> holstein: thanks!
[18:46] <holstein> ScottL is the team lead
[18:47] <shnatsel> it obviously was not a problem to put all that in an unofficial spin
[18:48] <holstein> yeah... thats the issue though, we cant stray to far it seems
[18:48] <astraljava> shnatsel: If you could list them in wiki somewhere, we could start working on packaging them, and pushing to debian.
[18:49] <shnatsel> astraljava: they're already packaged
[18:49] <shnatsel> astraljava: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2011-June/003391.html
[18:50] <astraljava> shnatsel: Ahh... okay cool. Right, so all that's needed is to check they conform to debian policies, then file ITP and RFP bugs, and find sponsors for uploading.
[18:51] <shnatsel> astraljava: I really suck at paperwork
[18:51] <astraljava> shnatsel: Oh that's what you were referring to. :)
[18:51] <shnatsel> astraljava: would somebody else do it? Please?
[18:52] <astraljava> shnatsel: Sure. I'm in the middle of moving, so I don't have my testing env etc. with me at the moment. But if no-one else will, I'll do that in August.
[18:52] <shnatsel> astraljava: thanks!
[18:53] <shnatsel> hmm, in August you'll have to request an Ubuntu import for those packages, too...
[18:53] <astraljava> shnatsel: No prob. Thank _you_ for contributing! :)
[18:54] <astraljava> shnatsel: True, if you want them in for Oneiric, you might wanna find someone to do it faster than that.
[18:54] <holstein> astraljava: if you can point some things in my direction that i can handle, i'll do them
[18:56] <astraljava> holstein: Well, for myself to feel comfortable with uploading a package, I'd test it in a real debian environment. I'm not sure it's required, though. So just get it building against a debian sid chroot, and test that it installs there, that might suffice.
[18:57] <astraljava> s/uploading/asking someone to upload/
[18:57] <kubotu> astraljava meant: "holstein: Well, for myself to feel comfortable with asking someone to upload a package, I'd test it in a real debian environment. I'm not sure it's required, though. So just get it building against a debian sid chroot, and test that it installs there, that might suffice."
[18:57] <holstein> astraljava: yeah, i cant handle that though
[18:57] <holstein> not in a timely manner, thats for sure
[18:58] <astraljava> holstein: To cut some corners, I could do the chroot thingie faster, of course. Depends then on the sponsor whether or not [s]he will upload.
[18:58] <shnatsel> if there are issues with those packages and I'm not here, you can always find me at #elementary or at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(except August)
[18:58] <astraljava> To be honest, I don't really know whether they test their packages in a real system before uploading. :)
[18:59] <astraljava> Just I assume it would be a good thing to do.
[19:00] <astraljava> shnatsel: Gotcha, thanks!
[19:01] <shnatsel> astraljava: those packages are well-tested on Ubuntu systems already, I've shipped them with my spin and discovered several bugs related to installing on a blank system etc, so now it should work just perfectly fine
[19:02] <shnatsel> astraljava: got your heads-up :)
[19:03] <astraljava> shnatsel: Good. :)
[19:03] <shnatsel> Also, I hear you're moving to XFCE base, why?
[19:03] <astraljava> shnatsel: So that gives me confidence in getting them somewhere where the devs can upload.
[19:04] <astraljava> shnatsel: Because the team felt that GNOME3 doesn't suit our workflow, and GNOME2 is going away for Oneiric.
[19:04] <astraljava> XFCE was the closest.
[19:06] <shnatsel> in elementary we considered using XFCE as base, we ended up having both GNOME daemons and XFCE daemons if we use some real-life apps, and some GNOME systems are greatly superior to XFCE equivalents, e.g. dconf/GSettings is far superior to xfconf
[19:11] <shnatsel> But, I haven't seen your apps and workflow, XFCE might suit you better indeed
[19:16] <shnatsel> Ok, gotta go hack something :)
[19:16] <shnatsel> Good luck and have fun


[00:15] <karlthane> Does anyone know what the tool the installer uses to pull ssh keys from github/launchpad and if there is any way to set it to run regularly?
[00:16] <sarnold> ssh-import-id
[00:17] <sarnold> you can use it in a cronjob or script or something similar if you wish; there's no default tool to do so, that I know of
[00:34] <karlthane> @sarnold Thank you.
[00:44] <sarnold> karlthane: you're welcome :)
[06:56] <heller_> hey
[06:57] <heller_> my server rebooted yesterday evening. Any tips where to look for the issue?
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> elaborate here heller, like server version and services running
[07:00] <heller_> ubuntu 18.04 and running only zabbix serer
[07:00] <heller_> virtualized at an external provider
[07:01] <heller_> https://pastebin.com/KRDbU7Pn
[07:02] <heller_> thats kern.log when it rebooted
[07:03] <heller_> U-U havent done any upgrades for few days at least
[07:06] <heller_> syslog  https://pastebin.com/JPiL0LpL
[07:07] <heller_> syslog.1 https://pastebin.com/mgB7cJar
[07:08] <OerHeks> does zabbix has a log? find / -name 'zabbix_server.log' or something like that
[07:09] <OerHeks> maybe /var/log/zabbix/ ..
[07:11] <heller_> yeah looking, but there's not much info about the system status
[07:11] <OerHeks> maybe the host ..
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> heller_: maybe take a look at your auth logs aswell for intrusion
[07:13] <heller_> hey wait a minute
[07:13] <heller_> https://pastebin.com/FpzCeHqD
[07:13] <heller_> what does that mean
[07:14] <lotuspsychje> heller_: how are you protecting your ports/ services?
[07:15] <OerHeks> you had visitors :-D
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> heller_: can you nmap -PN -sV your external ip to see whats exposed to the outside?
[07:15] <heller_> it is exposed quite alot
[07:15] <heller_> but i dont see anyone getting in?
[07:15] <OerHeks> nowadays they try just once, with a botnet, so fail2ban is useless.
[07:15] <OerHeks> restrict access to your ip maybe?
[07:15] <heller_> i could do that yes
[07:16] <heller_> but i still dont see anyone getting in?
[07:16] <heller_> just curious about the power button event
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> heller_: its not because logs doesnt show, that nobody can enter
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> heller_: you never know what kind of exploits are used when exposed
[07:16] <heller_> hmm
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> heller_: it might be not your case, but better assume its possible
[07:21] <heller_> got ufw running now
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> heller_: if you check your open ports with nmap, thats the way attackers will find your ports & services
[07:21] <heller_> Yeah i did check that, ssh and http + zabbix related are open
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> heller_: for the attacker, everything open will get auto scanned these days
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> they find your weak spot, and they get in
[07:22] <heller_> Sure, but this issue was worse earlier
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> howso?
[07:22] <heller_> it rebooted like every second day. i asked the hosting company to move this vm to another host and then it stayed up for at least a week
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> !info lynis | heller_
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> heller_: id suggest a full check of your server, perhaps also bandwith monitor to see whats going in/out
[07:29] <heller_> Nothing special on bw graphs
[07:29] <heller_> hmm
[07:45] <heller_> Well lynis did not find anything ground breaking
[07:45] <heller_> So the digging continues
[08:10] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:17] <supaman> when creating a tar backup of a folder, does the command 'tar -cf /cifs-mount/backup.tar /folder' create the tar backup in the local machine and then move it to the cifs mount or does it create the file and add to it in the cifs mount?
[11:18] <supaman> I have a 70GB dir that needs backup and don't have space for that in the local machine
[11:25] <lordievader> I'd expect it writes directly to the `/cifs-mount/backup.tar` file. You could test this with strace and a small test setup.
[11:26] <supaman> yeah, thats what I expect also, thanks for the suggestion of test, will do that :-)
[11:34] <supaman> yup, writes directly to cifs mount
[13:19] <Checkmatex> trying to configure sendmail with non tls  should i use `A p y' ?
[14:42] <catphish> hi, i've just configured netplan with an extremely simple bridge, and it's causing my boot to hang for about 60 seconds on the network start job, would anyone be able to suggest why? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/s92svp72qr/
[14:42] <catphish> in fact it's 120 seconds
[14:44] <ahasenack> catphish: why do you need the quotes around the nameservers ip?
[14:44] <ahasenack> not saying it's related, it just jumped out
[14:44] <catphish> i don't know, ask the ubuntu installer :)
[14:45] <ahasenack> interesting
[14:45] <catphish> (i only added the bridge)
[14:45] <ahasenack> catphish: I think you are missing interfaces for the bridge, i.e., which interface(s) are part of it
[14:45] <ahasenack> see the bridge example at https://netplan.io/examples
[14:46] <catphish> i am indeed, there are no interfaces in it
[14:46] <catphish> do you think it could be waiting for interfaces to join it for some reason?
[14:47] <catphish> to clarify, this is not an error, there should be no interfaces in the bridge
[14:47] <rbasak> Is it waiting for DHCP on the bridge?
[14:48] <catphish> i could try manually disabling it, i assumed that would be the default since IPs are specified
[14:48] <rbasak> That would be my assumption too
[14:48] <rbasak> I only mention it because it's fairly common for cloud-init to hang waiting on a NIC to appear if it can't find a network.
[14:49] <catphish> i'm just trying an explicit dhcp disablement and explicit empty interfaces list
[14:49] <catphish> no change :(
[14:49] <rbasak> Anything in the logs after the hang?
[14:50] <rbasak> cloud-init logs specifially
[14:50] <catphish> i'll have a look once it's booted again
[14:50] <catphish> could it be waiting for ipv6? there's no RA on this network
[14:51] <ahasenack> without the bridge, does it hang too?
[14:51] <catphish> i was just wondering the same
[14:54] <cyphermox> what version of netplan?
[14:54] <catphish> no problem with the bridge removed
[14:55] <cyphermox> it's definitely the bridge, for sure
[14:55] <catphish> looks that way
[14:55] <cyphermox> maybe you just need "optional: true" under it, to pacify networkd-wait-online at boot
[14:56] <cyphermox> but the real question is whether the bridge is up and has an IP address after boot.
[14:56] <ahasenack> isn't there a way to check what netplan ended up rendering for networkd? In /run/<somewhere> after boot?
[14:56] <catphish> thinking about it, a bridge with no interfaces appears as DOWN iirc
[14:56] <catphish> so if netplan is waiting for that, it will time out
[14:57] <ahasenack> and after those 120s, what does it look like in the booted system?
[14:57] <ahasenack> is it up with that ip?
[14:57] <catphish> just rebooted with it re-enabled, but "optional", works perfectly
[14:58] <catphish> bridge comes up with correct IP, no delay
[14:58] <ahasenack> and UP or DOWN?
[14:58] <catphish> but, as i suspected... "br0: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state DOWN group default qlen 1000"
[14:58] <catphish> DOWN
[14:58] <ahasenack> and no members?
[14:58] <catphish> correct
[14:59] <catphish> (which is what i want)
[15:01] <catphish> looks happy now, i have no doubt it'll come up as it should once members are added by my lxc setup
[15:02] <catphish> makes perfect sense that netplan would have been waiting for that UP status
[15:02] <catphish> thanks all!
[15:10] <cyphermox> yeah, that's a "fun" part of *-wait-online scripts
[15:27] <catphish> it probably didn't help that       addresses: [<IP_ADDRESS>/24 ] is clearly an mistake :)
[16:31] <Checkmatex> i can't received mails
[16:49] <tomreyn> is this a bug report, a support request, or a social media status?
[20:02] <mmercer> lo folks -- with ubuntu-server,  normally with many of the distros, if you set the ifnames=0 at the boot opts, it will retain that even during the installation so that you dont have to set the ifnames after.... does this not work in ubuntu?
[21:04] <rbasak> mmercer: isn't it net.ifnames=0?
[21:04] <rbasak> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2015-May/038761.html has some background


[08:18] <blami_> hi. I'm porting sysv init script that starts/stops dropbox for all users defined in /etc/default/dropbox. Is having two upstart scripts - one for per-user dropbox instance supervision (keyword: instance $USER) and second for bootstrapping all per-user instances a good idea?
[16:21] <SpamapS> blami: sure. You can also use 'user' jobs and just let users who have dropbox put a file in ~/.initNt
[16:22] <SpamapS> ahh.. thank you HUD, for that lovely keyboard insanity
[16:22] <SpamapS> blami: ~/.init is what I meant ;)
[20:47] <ha1dfo> hi all. i'm developing services to ubuntu, and i'd like to execute a task that takes time on shutdown. I tried putting it to post-exec but it seems that init is not waiting for my job to finish but kills it. what is the proper way to do it?
[21:19] <blami> SpamapS: that's very nice solution, even smf does not support such thing!
[21:21] <blami> SpamapS: these 'user' jobs, when they get started? during boot or when user is logged in?
[23:09] <SpamapS> blami: they get started on the events that their start on defines
[23:11] <blami> SpamapS: so no login is needed, love it! Well maybe upstart does not use cgroups and early sockets but at least is straightforward and does the things that user expects :)
[23:15] <SpamapS> blami: its not quite that easy. THe user has to run 'initctl' at least once for Upstart to find the config files.
[23:16] <SpamapS> blami: otherwise at boot time upstart would have to iterate over all known users.. which would not be efficient.