[00:00] <zoredache> perhaps, 'man iceccd' might tell him more
[00:00] <magic_ninja> its a compiler
[00:00] <zoredache> tell you* rather...
[00:01] <magic_ninja> its just bugging me that i have a random extra users going when i shouldn't
[00:01] <Askarii> Is it possible to install Xubuntu on a usb flash drive?
[00:02] <TheSheep> !install | Askarii
[00:02] <ubotu> Askarii: Ubuntu can be installed in a lot of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall. Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[00:02] <zoredache> I guess it depends on how you define 'extra'.  I think the who command will show you list of every username that is consuming a TTY
[00:02] <TheSheep> Askarii: in short: yes
[00:02] <zoredache> or pty
[00:11] <cody-somerville> hmm... it seems that enabled sub-pixel hinting fixes the weird font in Xubuntu.
[00:14] <TheSheep> cody-somerville: what kind of weird font?
[00:15] <cody-somerville> Like, it is all smushed together.
[00:15] <cody-somerville> But enabling sub-pixel hinting makes the font clear and sharp.
[00:16] <TheSheep> enabling hinting in general should have this effect
[04:11] <SubOne> Trying to install the Xubuntu Alt CD, but it reboots every time I chose anythign on the first menu
[04:12] <keb> even when you choose the memory test?
[04:13] <SubOne> sec...
[04:14] <SubOne> no memory test runs
[04:14] <keb> if you let it run through the 8 tests you can be sure your ram is good
[04:15] <SubOne> ok and then?
[04:15] <keb> there is also the cd integrity check
[04:15] <SubOne> cd integrity check reboots too
[04:16] <keb> does it work in vga mode?
[04:17] <SubOne> wierd thing is first time i put the cd in it went through the install until it was ready to copy files then it said there was a file it couldnt access and when i rebooted it would reboot every selection i made.
[04:17] <keb> is the computer getting too hot?
[04:17] <SubOne> This is an intermittent issue, not sure why, but i had the same problem before and i installed it ok, but i forget what, if anything, I did to fix it
[04:17] <SubOne> i dont know
[04:17] <SubOne> it runs windows just fine
[04:18] <SubOne> Windows XP
[04:18] <vidd> you need to set acpi = off
[04:18] <SubOne> ok
[04:19] <SubOne> ok, how do i add that after i hit f6?
[04:19] <vidd> either acpi=off or apci=off
[04:19] <vidd> yes
[04:19] <keb> acpi
[04:19] <SubOne> just a space?
[04:19] <vidd> no spaces
[04:20] <SubOne> well the last thing on that line is `quiet --`
[04:20] <vidd> i dont rember where in the line you put it
[04:20] <SubOne> so continue with a space? `quiet -- acpi=off`?
[04:21] <vidd> i think anywhere is fine
[04:21] <vidd> try it
[04:21] <SubOne> k
[04:21] <SubOne> lol
[04:21] <SubOne> nope rebooted
[04:21] <vidd> if it rebbots right away again the put it before quiet
[04:21] <SubOne> lemme try before the quiet
[04:22] <SubOne> still reboots
[04:23] <vidd> then try "noacpi
[04:23] <vidd> instead of acpi=off
[04:23] <Midtronic> Howdy -- just a package question - I have a kubuntu install on GG, and I just put HH on my laptop.  What's the package that has the advanced autocomplete that I get in bash with GG?
[04:24] <Midtronic> (xubuntu HH)
[04:24] <SubOne> same problem, reboots
[04:25] <vidd> advanced autocomplete????
[04:26] <keb> isnt that gnu readline
[04:26] <vidd> SubOne, you have the menu open?
[04:26] <vidd> hit F1 (the help window)
[04:26] <Midtronic> vidd, yeah.  completion for stuff in apt, for options for certain apps
[04:26] <Midtronic> etc.
[04:27] <vidd> it should give you a specific example with noacpi
[04:27] <SubOne> vidd: yes it reboots on kernel load
[04:27] <vidd> Midtronic, idk i upraded from GG
[04:29] <SubOne> it says pci=noacpi and i did that and same thing
[04:29] <Midtronic> hm.  Yeah.  I could diff packages from the two boxes, but I'm a bit lazy
[04:29] <Midtronic> I'll just figure out out later :-P
[04:30] <vidd> SubOne, im very tired at the moment...otherwise id run an install to see
[04:31] <SubOne> so im sol
[04:33] <keb> SubOne does the livecd run?
[04:33] <SubOne> no not enough memory
[04:34] <SubOne> i think theres only 128mb in it
[04:34] <keb> hmm i wonder if there is a text mode install
[04:34] <SubOne> this is the text mode install lol
[04:35] <SubOne> is there another kernel on the cd i can try?
[04:35] <keb> there may be a bug in the installation related to low memory. did you check the forums?
[04:36] <SubOne> in the livecd? theres supposed to be a certain amount of memory for the live cd to run i forget what it is... sec
[04:36] <keb> dunno about kernels
[04:37] <SubOne> 128mb ram for livecd, but i think =>1mb of it is used for shared video, lol
[04:37] <SubOne> is there a better recommended distro for 128/127mb?
[04:38] <keb> i got fluxbuntu 7.10rc working in 64MB
[04:38] <SubOne> i didnt know there was a fluxbuntu lemme search...
[04:38] <vidd> SubOne, is this an HP machine by chance?
[04:39] <keb> fluxbuntu seems to be bottlenecked a bit
[04:39] <SubOne> yeah its a compaq
[04:40] <SubOne> bottlenecked where?
[04:40] <keb> in terms of development
[04:41] <keb> Stroganoff has made a script that installs xubuntu on low memory machines too, you can find it in the forums i think
[04:43] <SubOne> vidd: you have info on compatability issues with Xubuntu and HP machines? I have Ubuntu installed on my HP laptop
[04:44] <SubOne> i just dont know why the linux kernel wont load and im wondering if there is an alt kernel on the disk
[04:49] <selig5>  5-6+
[04:49] <SubOne> im still not getting it to work :p
[04:50] <SubOne> and i've still had no luck getting *buntu on a flash drive
[04:51] <SubOne> What I don't understand is why the kernel would load the first time i tried but then reboot every other time
[04:52] <keb> is the fan running loud?
[04:53] <vidd> SubOne, i just have an hp pavilion that i had to do it with
[04:53] <SubOne> keb: no
[04:53] <SubOne> keb: i dont see how it would be an overheating issue Windows runs fine
[04:54] <keb> windows underclocks the system if it is a hot laptop
[04:54] <SubOne> its a desktop
[04:54] <keb> ok
[04:55] <keb> does anything else run on that system now? maybe it got zapped with a static charge
[04:55] <keb> something other than memtest ;)
[04:56] <SubOne> no just windows xp... previously windows 98... memtest seems to run fine, but the other options reboot (every option that needs to load a kernel)
[04:56] <n-iCe> hi
[04:57] <SubOne> i even tried acpi=off AND pci=noacpi together because F1 mentioned both, but still reboots like halfway through kernel load
[04:57] <keb> so it loads some stuff?
[04:58] <keb> what is the last message on the screen
[04:58] <vidd> SubOne, just one or the other...not both
[04:58] <vidd> and drop the pci-
[04:58] <vidd> and drop the pci=
[04:58] <SubOne> vidd: i tried all the combinations
[04:58] <SubOne> noacpi
[04:59] <SubOne> pci=noacpi
[04:59] <SubOne> acpi=off
[04:59] <SubOne> and each together :p
[04:59] <vidd> for S&G....try noapci and then apci=off
[05:00] <SubOne> s&G?
[05:01] <vidd> dont ask...its not polite!
[05:01] <vidd> smiles & giggles
[05:02] <SubOne> try one then the other or both together
[05:02] <vidd> one then the other
[05:02] <SubOne> keb: it says Loading Linux Kernel then gets to an arbitrary amount of loading on the progress bar and reboots
[05:02] <SubOne> vidd: i did that but i'll do it again
[05:02] <SubOne> oh apci
[05:03] <SubOne> k
[05:03] <SubOne> not acpi?
[05:03] <keb> there is no such thing as apci
[05:03] <SubOne> i thought so :p
[05:04] <vidd> keb, SubOne  http://osdir.com/ml/linux.drivers.prism54.user/2004-02/msg00073.html
[05:05] <vidd> idk
[05:05] <SubOne> vidd: it was a typo
[05:05] <vidd> didnt i say b4 i was tired?
[05:05] <vidd> =]
[05:07] <keb> lol
[05:09] <keb> SubOne is your hard disk full?
[05:22] <keb> hmm. noapic is a different option entirely from acpi=off
[05:22] <keb> one is about interrupt controllers and the other is power management
[05:23] <vidd> the power management is what he wants
[05:24] <vidd> otherwise, he might want to check to see if his mobo has antivirus protection (protects the master boot record)
[05:25] <keb> looks like this was never solved for some people :/  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=323236
[05:25] <keb> goodnight
[05:31] <SubOne> keb: no i am planning on putting xubuntu on the whole drive
[10:23] <redwhitewaldo> hello, can someone here with a fresh/regular install of xubuntu, please pastebin for me his xorg.conf file? thanks.
[10:24] <ablomen> redwhitewaldo, just run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:24] <ablomen> tjat will generate a fresh xorg.conf for ya\
[10:25] <redwhitewaldo> ablomen: : well, that doesn't put back my xorg.conf file the way it was before i enabled restricted video driver. 8-)
[10:25] <ablomen> it should
[10:25] <ablomen> just pick a different driver form the list
[10:25] <ablomen> vesa or nv or whatever
[10:26] <redwhitewaldo> ablomen: i don't geta list
[10:26] <ablomen> hmm
[10:26] <redwhitewaldo> ablomen: sorry.
[10:26] <redwhitewaldo> i take that back
[10:26] <ablomen> hehe :P
[10:27] <redwhitewaldo> question one: " Use kernel framebuffer device interface?  " what should i choose?
[10:27] <ablomen> ehm just the default?
[10:27] <redwhitewaldo> i guess that's YES.
[10:30] <redwhitewaldo>  i have a microsoft natural keyboard elite (http://www.datavisionergonomics.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/292341_large.jpg) . is this pc104 or pc105?
[10:31] <cody-somerville> Probably the default
[14:38] <pc-illiterate> i need some help with the enemy territory update
[14:43] <cody-somerville> pc-illiterate, Just say what you need then :)
[14:43] <pc-illiterate> help ?
[14:43] <pc-illiterate> lmao
[14:44] <pc-illiterate> i dont know what to do...good enough ?
[14:46] <alphakamp> you gotta give more than that, have you downloaded the update yet? have you attempted to update?
[14:47] <pc-illiterate> sure ive d/l it. attempted to how ? i have to executeable files. 1 is client 1 is server... dont know what to do with them
[14:48] <cody-somerville> pc-illiterate, See... that wasn't so hard was it? :)
[14:49] <cody-somerville> pc-illiterate, what is the link where you downloaded these files?
[14:49] <pc-illiterate> well i assumed if you didnt have it, you didnt update it, and you wouldnt know.
[14:49] <pc-illiterate> gimmee a sec
[15:01] <pc-illiterate> cody...you want a link to the d/l itself ?... its on linux-gamers
[15:04] <pc-illiterate> well maybe it wasnt there... crap
[15:05] <x9x> what?
[15:06] <pc-illiterate> what what ?
[15:07] <pc-illiterate> You need to upgrade to the latest through the usual installers first, and then replace the engine binaries with the newer ones contained in the zip files below.
[15:07] <pc-illiterate> thats the instructions for the update....
[15:08] <pc-illiterate> how do i replace the binaries ?
[17:47] <schlumpf> hi i need to look at some pdf but cant find a good prog to do so what can be recommended i tryed xpdf and evince
[17:47] <Damion> I use a large external drive I loaned from a friend. I don't have enough space on my own hard drive to back it up, and I don't really know if I want to reformat it for FAT32 because I don't own it and if friend ever calls it back in, he uses Windows. Can I still use it even though it's formatted to NTFS or whatever the Windows standard is?
[18:14] <Dartrunner> Hello, I have Xubuntu 7.10 installed on a Compaq Armada 7400. I am having a problem with opening a terminal, I keep getting booted back to the login screen.
[18:20] <Damion> so I'm using an ISO that has a hash validated on the ubuntu website
[18:20] <Damion> but as SOON AS I MOUNT IT the hash changes to something different
[18:21] <cody-somerville> :/
[18:21] <Damion> am I maybe hashing the wrong file?
[18:21] <Damion> hashing the .iso gives me a md5sum that starts with 877ae9, and this is the correct one as per the ubuntu site
[18:22] <Damion> when I mount that ISO and run a md5sum check on :\md5sum.txt
[18:23] <Damion> it gives me a hash that starts with 96ca42
[18:24] <Dartrunner> One is a hash of the iso file and the other is a hash of that text file
[18:25] <Damion> so if the hash of md5sum.txt isn't a valid sum of the CD
[18:25] <Damion> how do you check the cd once you've burned it?
[18:25] <Dartrunner> the hash IN the text file should match the hash OF the iso
[18:26] <Dartrunner> I've never tried, don't know if there is a way to hash the whole CD
[18:26] <Damion> which hash in the text file?
[18:28] <Dartrunner> if you open the md5sum.txt file that should contain the hash of a good iso.
[18:29] <Dartrunner> Hashing is normaly used to ensure that the iso file you downloaded is good
[18:29] <Damion> so how do you check that the cd is good after burning?\
[18:30] <Dartrunner> I'm not sure, I have never tried, some distros have a check in the boot menu
[18:34] <Dartrunner> Just checked and Xubuntu 7.10 has an option of "Check CD for defects" in the boot menu
[18:38] <Dartrunner> I have Xubuntu 7.10 installed on a Compaq Armada 7400. I am having a problem with opening a terminal, I keep getting booted back to the login screen. Everything else seems to be working fine.
[18:40] <Damion> okay going to go and try burning and then verifying
[18:41] <Dartrunner> Good Luck
[18:41] <Stroganoff> Dartrunner, setup Xorg for DefaultDepth 16
[18:42] <Stroganoff> for this old laptop (333mhz?) i'd recommend my icewm desktop though, its much faster than xubuntu:
[18:42] <Stroganoff> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=741631
[18:42] <Dartrunner> kk I'll give it a try
[18:44] <Stroganoff> i'll be back in 20 minutes if you have any questions regarding my easy to use install script
[18:45] <Dartrunner> Where can I change the depth?
[18:45] <Stroganoff> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[18:45] <Stroganoff> or use: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[18:46] <Dartrunner> I can't get a terminal to run the command  : (
[18:47] <Stroganoff> alt+f2 -> xterm
[18:47] <Stroganoff> only the xfce terminal should be affected by your bug
[18:48] <Dartrunner> worked
[19:03] <Dartrunner> Stroganoff, could I bug you for a little more help?
[19:07] <Stroganoff> yep
[19:07] <Stroganoff> Dartrunner shoot
[19:08] <Dartrunner> The reason I was trying to get a terminal was because the sound wasn't working
[19:08] <Dartrunner> I found a post http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4690891#post4690891 that had a little about it
[19:09] <Dartrunner> I installed the linux-backports-modules-generic with apt-get, but now what do I do?
[19:10] <Dartrunner> I am just learning linux, and picked up this laptop for free, so trying to make it work
[19:12] <Dartrunner> and changing the depth to 16 also worked, thanks
[19:16] <Stroganoff> Dartrunner: try installing this: http://www.4front-tech.com/release/oss-linux_v4.0-1015_i386.deb
[19:17] <Dartrunner> kk
[19:18] <Dartrunner> can I use your scripts on top of what I have or will I have to start over from scratch?
[19:19] <Dartrunner> It does seem a little sluggish
[19:19] <Stroganoff> start over from scratch. but after my script is finished, there not much else to do. it's got many tweaks ubuntu is missing
[19:19] <Stroganoff> run in terminal: lspci
[19:19] <Stroganoff> and see if your soundcard is detected
[19:20] <Dartrunner> not sure what "run in terminal:lspci" means
[19:20] <Stroganoff> xterm
[19:21] <Stroganoff> xterm: lspci
[19:21] <Stroganoff> "lspci" is a command
[19:21] <Stroganoff> rather a cli tool
[19:21] <Dartrunner> kk  : )
[19:23] <Dartrunner> doesn't show a soundcard
[19:24] <Dartrunner> should I just start over now, if your setup will run faster
[19:24] <Stroganoff> how much ram have you got?
[19:24] <Dartrunner> 192
[19:24] <Stroganoff> ok but its still considerably faster :D
[19:25] <Stroganoff> xubuntu boots up to 80mb usage, my script to 25-40 (depends on chosen bootup services)
[19:26] <Dartrunner> similar look and feel?
[19:26] <Stroganoff> i wouldn't hope it fixes your sound though. maybe the onboard soundchip is disabled in bios? :D
[19:26] <Dartrunner> I used a suse live CD and the sound worked, but it was dog slow
[19:27] <Stroganoff> well you see the screenshots, dartrunner. the desktop and filemanager are from ubuntu. the panel might not have that many fancy plugins as xfce does, but its much faster and you can use the WINKEY to open the menu :D
[19:27] <Dartrunner> no winkey on this old thing   lol
[19:28] <Dartrunner> the next test is my wireless card
[19:31] <Stroganoff> Dartrunner see this thread for sound: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=114493
[19:32] <Dartrunner> Well I'll give it a try, downloading the Ubuntu Alternate ISO now
[19:36] <Stroganoff> what about your wireless?
[19:37] <v0lksman> hey all! quick and likely easy question: how do I move a panel config from one user to another? basically I have a panel design I want all new users on my system to get by default
[19:37] <v0lksman> I'd prefer to copy my main panel config to a central location that xfce will use when creating a new users desktop
[19:37] <Dartrunner> it doesn't work, but I haven't started looking at that yet, just tackling one thing at a time
[19:39] <Stroganoff> v0lksman you panel config is somewhere i ~/.config/
[19:39] <Stroganoff> copy it to /usr/share/xfce or something
[19:39] <Stroganoff> use tab completion to find out the exact locations
[19:40] <v0lksman> yeah.....config/xfce4/panels  however simply copying that to another users profile doesn't work....the default panel still shows when I log in as that user....
[19:40] <Midtronic> Howdy -- I just installed Xubuntu hardy, and I love the background image that's used for the installer.. I can't find it on the CD, though.  Any idea where I might find it?
[19:40] <Stroganoff> v0lksman might be .config/mcs-settings or something like this
[19:40] <Stroganoff> copy MOAR ;)
[19:42] <v0lksman> hehehe...I tried copying the entire .config from one user to another...still no fly....doesn't make sense though...they are simple xml files and they don't reference folder locations at all....
[19:44] <Stroganoff> have you chown'd them?
[19:45] <Stroganoff> chown -R newuser:newuser /home/newuser/.config
[19:45] <v0lksman> yep...no difference
[19:46] <v0lksman> I mean ideally I want to edit the "default" panel so that when xfce creates the .config structure it includes my changes....but can't find anything of the sort....
[19:47] <Stroganoff> you'd have to use /usr/share/xfce4 for that (better use /usr/local/share)
[19:47] <Stroganoff> but I don't get why its not working for you the way you tried
[19:57] <v0lksman> if I use /usr/share/xfce4 do I just drop my panels.xml and all the launcher.*.xml files in there or does it require a special directory?
[19:58] <Stroganoff> a special directory
[19:59] <Stroganoff> scrap that, it is in /etc/xdg/xfce4/
[19:59] <Stroganoff> i dont use xfce myself so i just guess sometimes :D
[20:00] <v0lksman> hahaha...good place to hang out then!  :)
[20:00] <Stroganoff> yeah well xfce is an important project
[20:02] <v0lksman> yes it is....I switch back and forth between gnome and xfce...I like em both....
[20:03] <redwhitewaldo> .mov files play in totem with sound, but it's all black for video. what's wrong?
[20:04] <v0lksman> need codec goodness....
[20:04] <Stroganoff> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MediBuntu
[20:04] <v0lksman> I might get shot here but the w32codecs will likely make it work
[20:04] <redwhitewaldo> v0lksman: i got the codecs already, didn't i?
[20:05] <redwhitewaldo> i downloaded the, um, ubuntu-extra-codecs or soemthing like that.
[20:06] <v0lksman> http://phorolinux.com/how-to-install-non-free-multimedia-codecs-on-ubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbon.html
[20:06] <v0lksman> might help
[20:06] <n-iCe> hi
[20:06] <v0lksman> other thing would be to try VLC...it has a nice set of internal codecs
[20:06] <Stroganoff> redwhitewaldo you need more thatn restricted-extras, check medibuntu
[20:07] <redwhitewaldo> Stroganoff: oh, i thought that restrickted-extras had everything
[20:07] <n-iCe> when is gonna be the 8.04 version released?
[20:07] <redwhitewaldo> ok. i'll check mediumbunt
[20:07] <Stroganoff> although your problem might be something else, im not sure
[20:07] <redwhitewaldo> n-iCe: 24th
[20:07] <n-iCe> april, right?
[20:07] <redwhitewaldo> Stroganoff: how can we check what hte problem is before installing medibuntu
[20:07] <redwhitewaldo> n-iCe: yes.
[20:07] <n-iCe> Any idea about new changes?
[20:07] <redwhitewaldo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta
[20:08] <Stroganoff> redwhitewaldo, medibuntu is really safe and quite essential. install it and check after that :p
[20:08] <Stroganoff> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[20:11] <redwhitewaldo> Stroganoff: i'm on that page. now how do i install medibuntu
[20:11] <Stroganoff> read that page.
[20:11] <redwhitewaldo> i'm on xubuntu 8.04 by the way
[20:11] <Stroganoff> see gutsy instructions on "Adding the Repositories"
[20:12] <v0lksman> they've updated it for hardy... :)
[20:13] <Stroganoff> yeah i just confused 8.04 with gutsy :D
[20:13] <v0lksman> hahahah
[20:14] <n-iCe> thanks
[20:14] <redwhitewaldo> installing w32codecs didn't help
[20:15] <v0lksman> are you 64 bit?
[20:15] <v0lksman> this is a divx or xvid file you are trying to play right?
[20:16] <redwhitewaldo> v0lksman: i'm on 32bit xubuntu 8.04. and am trying to play the .mov files on http://www.montanameth.org/View_Ads/index.php
[20:17] <v0lksman> ahhh....you need to make sure that the plugin for firefox has been loaded for a mediaplayer that has access to that codec...I think mplayer has a ff plugin
[20:17] <redwhitewaldo> v0lksman: but i'm saving the file to desktop. and totem (standalone. not plugin) is playing the file
[20:18] <v0lksman> yeah....its the plugin that is failing to play it....I know I've messed with that before...can't remember the fix off hand though....
[20:18] <v0lksman> I'm pretty sure you either need the gstreamer plugin or mplayer....one of the two will fix it....
[20:18] <redwhitewaldo> v0lksman: we seem to be not understanding each other. It is NOT a plugin.
[20:18] <redwhitewaldo> NOT a plugin
[20:19] <redwhitewaldo> firefox is NOT playing the file.
[20:19] <Linuturk> what's the easiest way to get xfce back to it's default look?
[20:19] <v0lksman> ah
[20:19] <redwhitewaldo> i am downloading the file (See the "Save As" links on the ads)
[20:19] <Linuturk> vanilla xfce, not the xubuntu style
[20:19] <v0lksman> linuturk: delete ~/.config/xfce4
[20:19] <v0lksman> :)
[20:20] <Linuturk> so, that's controlled in /etc/skel ?
[20:20] <v0lksman> not sure...that's why I'm here...hahaha...but the .config structure holds your settings
[20:21] <v0lksman> redwhitewaldo: not sure then....the codecs should have made it work....I can only suggest trying VLC or mplayer....see if they do the same thing (they use different codecs)
[20:21] <Stroganoff> redwhitewaldo what he meant is that totem uses distinguished backends for decoding the movie. either gstreamer or xine.
[20:21] <Stroganoff> you can try mplayer (standalone) or vlc, they have their own backends
[20:22] <v0lksman> :)
[20:22] <redwhitewaldo> ok. i 'll try vlc
[20:22] <redwhitewaldo> i do prefer totem to do everything, though
[20:24] <Stroganoff> i prefer neither for none is able to place .srt subtitles below the 16:9 frame without some displacing voodoo
[20:24] <Stroganoff> that might be offtopic though :D
[20:40] <S0210> Hi! Is there a built in "search for a file" app in Hardy?
[20:41] <Stroganoff> S0210: sudo apt-get install catfish
[20:43] <maxamillion> S0210: not built in, but the catfish app that Stroganoff mentioned is basically the defacto search app for xubuntu
[22:11] <Dartrunner> Stroganoff, you still out there/
[22:11] <Dartrunner> ?
[22:11] <Stroganoff> 1
[22:11] <Dartrunner> I am at the edit the script file part
[22:12] <Stroganoff> yeah
[22:12] <Stroganoff> you dont have to edit that anymore
[22:12] <Dartrunner> and I can't findit
[22:12] <Stroganoff> i replaced it with user driven menus
[22:12] <Dartrunner> all I see is an install.sh
[22:12] <Dartrunner> kk
[22:12] <Dartrunner> just run install.sh then?
[22:12] <Stroganoff> yep
[22:20] <Dartrunner> What is the difference between Thundar and XFE?
[22:21] <Stroganoff> Thunar is more easy to use and more pretty
[22:21] <Stroganoff> xfe is for oldschool freaks and its a bit more lightweight
[22:26] <Dartrunner> How do I know if I can use ACPI? I see a message when it boot saying something about forcing ACPI
[22:27] <Stroganoff> were you able to suspend/standby/hibernate with xubuntu?
[22:28] <Stroganoff> had you any problems with closing your lid?
[22:29] <Stroganoff> i would enable (install) ACPI. you can uninstall or tweak in if you run into problems (some screwed up notebooks have problems with acpi without their proprietary drivers)
[22:29] <Dartrunner> hadn't got around to trying it yet, I know that it never shut off, not even the screen. Just stayed on from the time I installed X on it.
[22:29] <Stroganoff> that doesnt sound good
[22:30] <Stroganoff> although i dont know the default settings of xubuntu in terms of suspend on inactivity
[22:30] <Stroganoff> it also depends on bios settings
[22:31] <Stroganoff> even without acpi you might be able to hibernate and you WILL be able to blank the screen after some minutes
[22:32] <Dartrunner> I don't see a pentium II on the CPU list
[22:33] <Dartrunner> can I use i686?
[22:33] <Stroganoff> yes
[22:35] <Dartrunner> Hate to keep asking dumb questions, but how do I choose the appearance? I don't know what any of them look like.
[22:35] <Stroganoff> you mean the menu button?
[22:35] <Stroganoff> buttons?
[22:36] <Dartrunner> ya
[22:36] <Stroganoff> its just the button on the bottom left:
[22:36] <Stroganoff> http://www.abload.de/img/ubuntu-light-script-n31.png
[22:36] <Stroganoff> always the same logo, just with different words
[22:38] <Dartrunner> can it be changed after?
[22:38] <Stroganoff> manually
[22:38] <Stroganoff> its just a little image
[22:38] <Stroganoff> /usr/share/icewm/themes/IceBuntu/taskbar/icewm.xpm
[22:40] <Dartrunner> should I start Conky? does that detect USB devices?
[22:40] <Stroganoff> lol i should change that helptext
[22:40] <Stroganoff> conky is just hardware info on desktop like in this screenshot:
[22:40] <Stroganoff> http://www.abload.de/img/41mbramuyv.png
[22:42] <Dartrunner> I saw that or something like it on DSL, pretty neat
[22:42] <Dartrunner> Just crapped out
[22:43] <Stroganoff> it's the same program
[22:43] <Dartrunner> No LSB modules are available.
[22:43] <Stroganoff> thats not an error message
[22:43] <Dartrunner> unexpected EOF while looking for matching ""
[22:44] <Dartrunner> in line 839
[22:44] <Stroganoff> wtf
[22:45] <Dartrunner> should I try again?
[22:46] <Stroganoff> no
[22:46] <Stroganoff> thats really unexpected
[22:46] <Stroganoff> must be some typo
[22:47] <Dartrunner> actually looks like a superscript backwards J`"
[22:48] <Stroganoff> give me some minutes
[22:48] <Dartrunner> np
[22:52] <Stroganoff> ok i fixed it Dartrunner
[22:52] <Stroganoff> i'm sory
[22:52] <Stroganoff> one moment plz
[22:52] <Dartrunner> np, I don't mind. Learn alot debuging something
[22:53] <Dartrunner> just wish I knew more about linux
[22:53] <Dartrunner> Can fix just about any windows problem from 95 to server2003
[22:54] <Stroganoff> me too
[22:54] <Stroganoff> :p
[22:54] <Dartrunner> lol
[22:54] <Stroganoff> ok cd ..
[22:54] <Stroganoff> rm -rf ubuntu-light-script
[22:54] <Dartrunner> looks like your way ahead of me on linux
[22:54] <Stroganoff> redownload
[22:54] <Stroganoff> it was just a missing " in my script (last minute change)
[22:54] <Dartrunner> do I need to cd back to /
[22:55] <Stroganoff> you can run this in your home directory
[22:55] <Stroganoff> back to ~
[22:55] <Stroganoff> ~ = your home
[22:56] <Stroganoff> delete the script and redownload it
[22:56] <Stroganoff> rm -rf ubuntu-light-script*
[22:56] <Stroganoff> this deletes the directory and the .tar.gz
[22:57] <Dartrunner> what does the -rf switches mean?
[22:57] <Stroganoff> wait
[22:57] <Stroganoff> more errors :D
[22:58] <Stroganoff> crappy last minutes changes
[22:58] <Dartrunner> should I see something, or does it not show you what it is doing/
[22:58] <Dartrunner> ?
[22:58] <Dartrunner> stupid keyboard
[22:59] <Stroganoff> with default settings it shows nothing if successfull
[22:59] <Stroganoff> you run: ls
[22:59] <Stroganoff> ls shows files/folders in your current destination
[23:01] <Stroganoff> ok its working now
[23:01] <Dartrunner> ya I got the basic ls figured out   lol  not much more, also learned how to use top to find services to shutdown on a server I had to run a radio station from
[23:02] <Stroganoff> you dont use top to shut down services
[23:02] <Dartrunner> and the kill
[23:02] <Dartrunner> to find the pid
[23:02] <Stroganoff> you use: sudo /etc/init.d/servicename stop
[23:02] <Stroganoff> thats the proper way
[23:02] <Stroganoff> you can kill programs with: killall processname
[23:02] <Stroganoff> examples: sudo /etc/init.d/samba stop
[23:02] <Stroganoff> killall Thunar
[23:02] <Dartrunner> kill seemed to work most of the time lol  if it didn't I just rebooted  lol
[23:04] <Dartrunner> hopefully I will learn the right way now
[23:13] <n-iCe> hello any disk partition software??
[23:13] <Stroganoff> n-iCe: sudo apt-get install gparted
[23:14] <Stroganoff> there is a livecd with gparted (and ntfs support) as well
[23:14] <n-iCe> thanks
[23:15] <Dartrunner> so should I give it another try?
[23:16] <Stroganoff> yes Dartrunner
[23:16] <Dartrunner> kk
[23:16] <Stroganoff> redownload
[23:17] <n-iCe> Stroganoff,  ok, I cannot create a new partition, why?
[23:17] <Stroganoff> no available space?
[23:18] <n-iCe> ext3 has 33GB free
[23:18] <n-iCe> I just can't selecte partition >> new
[23:18] <n-iCe> is like blocked
[23:21] <skarface> is there a setting somewhere for default browser in xfce?
[23:22] <Stroganoff> n-iCe ext3 is a partition
[23:22] <Stroganoff> you cant create a partition INSIDE another partition
[23:22] <Stroganoff> you have to resize the first partition before creating a new one.
[23:22] <n-iCe> I wan't to create a new one, to install windows, how?
[23:22] <n-iCe> I just can't select create a new partition
[23:22] <Stroganoff> you should have been able to figure that out seeing that there is a resize button..
[23:23] <n-iCe> I can't select it either
[23:23] <n-iCe> has a lock
[23:25] <Stroganoff> you cant resize the partition you are running from
[23:25] <Stroganoff> use the gparted livecd for that
[23:25] <Stroganoff> its not voodoo magic like partition magic but it works
[23:27] <Stroganoff> by the way: windows will disable you from booting to ubuntu. you have to recover Grub after windows installation. print out this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[23:28] <aubade> Is there a reason for Thunar not to co-operate with fuse mount points or has that gone unresolved?
[23:29] <Stroganoff> generally it works for me, aubade
[23:29] <Stroganoff> at least fusesmb
[23:30] <aubade> Happens to do it with fuseiso, haven't tried custom actions with any other modules.
[23:31] <aubade> Looks as though it's going to open the directory then slings back to the parent after displaying the contents, almost as if it's teasing me.
[23:40] <Stroganoff> aubade i just mounted an UDF iso with fuseiso and thunar is able to browse
[23:40] <Stroganoff> fuseiso example.iso /media/iso/example.iso/ -o allow_root
[23:41] <aubade> Why the '-o allow_root'?
[23:43] <Dartrunner> Stroganoff, I keep getting E:Couldn't find package swiftfox-IceWM
[23:44] <Dartrunner> Something horrible happened.


[00:29] <mwhudson> do snap builds run as root?
[00:30] <mwhudson> ah log makes the answer clearly yes
[00:35] <mwhudson> i'm looking at this failure, can't reproduce locally: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/315197087/buildlog_snap_ubuntu_xenial_amd64_go-tip_BUILDING.txt.gz
[00:36] <mwhudson> i've tried in a chroot, which is the most obvious strangeness about the buildd environment
[00:36] <mwhudson> same kernel version
[13:34] <rbasak> How do I get from a bug_task to the name of the source package in Ubuntu to which it refers (assuming it is an Ubuntu task)?
[13:35] <rbasak> I see target_link, but if that's an IDistroSeries that seems to refer to the series as a whole, instead of a specific source package?
[13:40] <rbasak> Ah
[13:40] <rbasak> "t.target.name" I think.
[13:40] <rbasak> target_link will be distribution_source_package which does include the source package.
[13:42] <rbasak> I think what confused me is that bug_target says "Examples include an IDistribution, an IDistroSeries and an IProduct" and I didn't realise that an IDistributionSourcePackage exists.
[20:34] <cholcombe> can launchpad mirror from private github repos?
[20:34] <cholcombe> i want to create a snap from it
[20:37] <dobey> i don't think so
[20:41] <cholcombe> dobey: that might be why i've been waiting for hours and it hasn't imported haha
[20:41] <cholcombe> that explains some stuff
[20:41] <dobey> i mean, it's private, so why would launchpad have access to it?
[20:42] <cholcombe> true
[20:42] <cholcombe> i figured if the owners matched on github and launchpad that maybe it would work
[20:42] <dobey> and then it wouldn't be private on launchpad, which would defeat the purpose of it being private on github
[20:42] <cholcombe> haha good point
[20:43] <dobey> well launchpad doesn't have your private keys
[20:43] <cholcombe> i'm not thinking this through


[14:58] <hannie> hey stillnotcool How's life?
[14:59] <hannie> stillnotcool, the tex file Learning more gives me some errors in LaTeX
[14:59] <hannie> I have to find out what the problem is (something with tabs)
[15:01] <hannie> hi ChrisWoollard If you are here, I want to know if you have time for some proofreading in the near future
[15:01] <herat> hannie: Hi, Got your email. I also completed managing additional software part. You can tell vaibhav to look into it, too.
[15:02] <hannie> ay, herat thanks
[15:02] <hannie> I will tell vibhav he can proofread the whole chapter
[15:03] <herat> hannie: yes, that would be great, thanks.
[15:03] <hannie> you won't be available the coming week? np, vibhav can contact me if he has any questions
[15:05] <herat> Yes, I have exams.
[15:05] <stillnotcool> hannie: Oh no!
[15:05] <stillnotcool> thanks for catching that
[15:05] <hannie> herat, did you do the whole chapter Software Management?
[15:05] <hannie> stillnotcool, yes, always fighting with LaTeX :(
[15:06] <hannie> but I always win ;)
[15:06] <stillnotcool> ha!
[15:06] <stillnotcool> hannie: Thanks for all your hard work with that.  please let me know if there's anything I can do to help.  I can look into issues after work today
[15:08] <hannie> stillnotcool, if you have TeX Live installed, could you try and add the new text to Projects and generate the pdf file, please?
[15:08] <herat> hannie: Yes, Most of the content did not require much changes.
[15:08] <hannie> stillnotcool, The problem is in the section Books and Magazines
[15:09] <hannie> stillnotcool, If you also cannot generate the pdf because of this tab problem, please let me know
[15:09] <stillnotcool> hannie: Actually, I do not have that swoftwre installed :(
[15:09] <stillnotcool> *software
[15:10] <hannie> ah, in that case don't bother. It takes hours to install it
[15:10] <stillnotcool> But I will go back through our file and double-check the syntax
[15:10] <hannie> I will find out myself what's wrong
[15:10] <stillnotcool> if that would help
[15:10] <herat> hannie: I am also not able to generate pdf. I pulled code yesterday and now I am getting errors.
[15:10] <hannie> herat, that is odd. I just pulled the latest code and generated the new pdf
[15:11] <herat> ohk, let me try again.
[15:11] <hannie> stillnotcool, I could not find any tabs in the section that causes the problem, but maybe you find something odd in Books and Magazines
[15:12] <stillnotcool> hannie: Okay.  I will have a look some time soon.  Sorry for the trouble.
[15:13] <hannie> stillnotcool, thanks. Let me know if you find something odd
[15:14] <hannie> herat, did you change something in Projects just before you tried to make the pdf?
[15:21] <herat> hannie: No, I just pulled from repo.


[00:34] <dLimit> Maaz, coffee on
[00:34]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[00:38] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for dLimit!
[00:40] <dLimit> Maaz, Thanks
[00:40] <Maaz> dLimit: Sure
[00:40] <dLimit> I needed that
[06:25] <plustwo> good morning all
[06:57] <Kilos> morning everyone
[07:06] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[07:06]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[07:10] <Kilos> Maaz, hurry
[07:10] <Maaz> Hey!  Look like the sound on the other motherboard in broken.
[17:09] <Maaz> magespawn: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[17:16] <Kilos> hiya Waceman
[17:16] <Maaz> Kilos: By the way, magespawn on freenode told me "tell Kilos I got the Mythbuntu working. Look like the sound on the other motherboard in broken." 6 minutes and 12 seconds ago
[17:16] <Kilos> sorry went to eat
[17:16] <Kilos> hiya mag
[17:17] <Kilos> grrr
[17:19] <Waceman> hey Kilos
[17:20] <Kilos> hows things Waceman
[17:24] <Kilos> gonna be lonely here with superfly in the states on holiday
[17:24] <Kilos> hey plustwo long time no see
[17:25] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[17:25]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[17:26] <Waceman> things are ok thanks Kilos, and yourself?
[17:26] <Kilos> good ty Waceman
[17:26] <Waceman> I gave that PC away ... was my PC for about 10 years... was quite sad
[17:27] <Kilos> aw, like losing a friend hey?
[17:28] <Waceman> yeah, like losing a pet
[17:28] <Kilos> looks like 11.04 and up are gonna need good graphics cards
[17:28] <Waceman> ya, I'm on 11.04.. but still using classic interface... didn't enjoy unity
[17:28] <Kilos> installed on a spare drive and it went to classic but graphics was poor
[17:29] <Waceman> annoying hey
[17:29] <Kilos> yeah
[17:29] <Waceman> and I'm on lowest effects... turn them on, and it chugs
[17:29] <Kilos> even the card games looked yucky
[17:29] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[17:29] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[17:29] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[17:30] <Kilos> i tried turning on those effects once and crashed the desktop
[17:30] <Kilos> so now i leave everything on default
[17:31] <Waceman> think I'll have some coffee Maaz
[17:31] <Kilos> will look if 11.10 is a bit more old graphics friendly some tome
[17:32] <Kilos> you gotta use his name first
[17:32] <Kilos> and the request is   maaz cooffee please
[17:32] <Kilos> coffee
[17:32] <Waceman> haha
[17:32] <Kilos> hehe
[17:32] <Waceman> Maaz coffee now!
[17:32] <Maaz> Waceman: *blink*
[17:33] <Kilos> hi nuvolari
[17:33] <Kilos> he cheeky this bot of ours
[17:34] <nuvolari> o/ howdy
[17:34] <nuvolari> naand oom
[17:34] <nuvolari> lo Waceman
[17:34] <Waceman> lo nuvolari
[17:34] <Waceman> so what can this bot do?
[17:35] <Kilos> weather in most places
[17:35] <nuvolari> remember factoids
[17:35] <nuvolari> google
[17:35] <Kilos> and does metings minutes
[17:36] <nuvolari> that and there was something in the meeting the other night
[17:36] <nuvolari> but I can't remember what that was
[17:36] <nuvolari> but also part of making a list I think
[17:36] <Kilos> and googles first four most relevant sites
[17:36] <Kilos> Maaz, weather in durban south africa
[17:36] <Maaz> Kilos: In La Mercy, South Africa at 7:00 PM SAST on November 01, 2011: 18°C; Humidity: 68%; Wind: South at 11 km/h; Conditions: Overcast; Sunrise/set: 5:01 AM SAST/6:17 PM SAST; Moonrise/set: 10:05 AM SAST/11:57 PM SAST
[17:37] <Kilos> Maaz, help
[17:37] <Maaz> Kilos: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff.
[17:37] <Maaz> Ask me "help me with ..." for more details.
[17:37] <nuvolari> Maaz: draw!
[17:37] <Maaz> nuvolari: You may only draw a weapon on the field of honour
[17:37] <nuvolari> Maaz: help with draw
[17:37] <Maaz> nuvolari: I'm afraid I don't know what you are asking about.  for more details.
[17:38] <nuvolari> Waceman: ^^
[17:39] <Waceman> oh wow
[17:39] <Waceman> Maaz help me with decisions
[17:39] <Maaz> Waceman: I use the following features for decisions: choose and poll
[17:39] <Maaz> Ask me "how do I use ..." for more details.
[17:40] <Waceman> Maaz: how do I choose
[17:40] <Maaz> Waceman: Choose one of the given options. You can use it like this:
[17:40] <Maaz>   choose <choice> or <choice>...
[17:40] <Waceman> Maaz: choose blonde or brunette
[17:40] <Maaz> Waceman: I choose brunette
[17:40] <Waceman> Maaz: choose iPhone4 or Samsung Galaxy S II
[17:40] <Maaz> Waceman: I choose iPhone4
[17:41] <Kilos> Maaz, how do i do software developement
[17:41] <Maaz> Kilos: I'm afraid I don't know what you are asking about. Ask "what can you do" to browse my features.
[17:41] <Kilos> eish
[17:41] <Waceman> Maaz: help me with browsing the internet
[17:41] <Maaz> Waceman: I use the following features for browsing the internet: bash, bible, feeds, fml, google, imdb, lastfm, lotto, microblog, mlia, oeis, rfc, tfln, tinyurl, translate, tvshow, weather and youtube
[17:41] <Maaz> Ask me "how do I use ..." for more details.
[17:41] <Waceman> how do I use youtube
[17:41] <Waceman> Maaz: how do I use youtube
[17:41] <Maaz> Waceman: Determine the title and a download URL for a Youtube Video. You can use it like this:
[17:41] <Maaz>   <Youtube URL>
[17:42] <Waceman> anyone know the URL for justin bieber? ;)
[17:42] <Kilos> cool bot hey Waceman
[17:42] <Waceman> very cool
[17:43] <Waceman> kbmonkey left a message for me once with Maaz... so I started to talk to Maaz... when I found out he was a bot I laughed!
[17:45] <nuvolari> something is wrong with Maaz
[17:45] <nuvolari> Maaz: choose iOS or Android
[17:45] <Maaz> nuvolari: I choose Android
[17:45] <nuvolari> ok, no maaz is fine :P
[17:46] <Waceman> :P
[17:46] <Waceman> Maaz: choose Windows 7 or Ubuntu 11.10
[17:46] <Maaz> Waceman: I choose Ubuntu 11.10
[17:46] <Waceman> no, Maaz is fine
[17:47] <nuvolari> Maaz: choose ham && cheese
[17:47] <Maaz> nuvolari: I choose ham && cheese
[17:47] <nuvolari> oh wait
[17:47] <nuvolari> not much of a choice I guess
[17:47] <nuvolari> Maaz: choose ham and cheese || cheese and tomato
[17:47] <Maaz> nuvolari: I choose ham and cheese || cheese and tomato
[17:48] <nuvolari> Maaz: choose OR Tambo
[17:48] <Maaz> nuvolari: I choose OR Tambo
[17:48] <nuvolari> :P
[17:48] <nuvolari> ok, I'm stopping
[17:49] <Waceman> Maaz: choose nuvolari should stop or nuvolari should not stop
[17:49] <Maaz> Waceman: I choose nuvolari should stop
[17:50] <Kilos> lol
[17:51] <Waceman> Maaz: weather hotazel south africa
[17:51] <Maaz> Waceman: City not found
[17:52] <Waceman> Maaz: weather in poffadder south africa
[17:52] <Maaz> Waceman: City not found
[17:52] <Waceman> common Maaz!
[17:53] <Waceman> Maaz: weather in antartic
[17:53] <Maaz> Waceman: City not found
[17:53] <Waceman> poor spelling - I'll stop too
[17:58] <Kilos> eish Maaz got killed here
[17:59] <Kilos> Maaz, hi
[17:59]  * Maaz waves to Kilos
[18:02] <Kilos> must find this guy and punch him
[18:02] <Kilos> Disconnected (Remote host closed socket).
[18:02] <Kilos> dunno what his surname is but he got a funny name
[18:02] <Kilos> mr. remote
[18:04] <Kilos> methinks i be back tomorrow. sleep tight guys
[18:08] <nuvolari> Maaz: tell Waceman about google
[18:08] <Maaz> nuvolari: Okay, I'll tell Waceman on freenode
[18:08] <nuvolari> :?
[18:18] <inetpro> good evening
[18:18] <inetpro> hmm... what's wrong with Kilos this evening?
[18:24] <nuvolari> hallo inetpro
[18:24] <nuvolari> not sure, think he's having signal problems :-/
[18:25] <inetpro> ok
[20:53] <Tonberry> does oneiric have some fancy gateway finding network hack?
[20:54] <tumbleweed> no
[20:54] <Tonberry> because i have two friend suffering from it trying to use the wrong gateway
[20:54] <tumbleweed> they are using network-manager
[20:54] <tumbleweed> ?
[20:55] <Tonberry> im not certain
[20:55] <Tonberry> but the routing that packet macs are addressed to is not in the routing table
[20:55] <tumbleweed> gateway addresses are IP addresses, not MAC addresses
[20:56] <Tonberry> yes ons using network manager
[20:56] <Tonberry> yes
[20:56] <Tonberry> [22:21] <Merlin> Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
[20:56] <Tonberry> [22:21] <Merlin> default         <IP_ADDRESS>    <IP_ADDRESS>         UG    0      0        0 eth1
[20:56] <Tonberry> is the default route
[20:56] <tumbleweed> is that right?
[20:56] <Tonberry> yes
[20:56] <Tonberry> the mac belongs to <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:57] <Tonberry> one router higher in the chain
[20:57] <Tonberry> but one this pc should not be aware of
[20:57] <tumbleweed> time to break out tcpdump and find out where that's coming from
[20:57] <Tonberry> <IP_ADDRESS> does NATting and packets directly sent to <IP_ADDRESS> are just dropped
[20:58] <tumbleweed> you sure you aren't accidentally bridging on that router?
[20:58] <Tonberry> the setup is slightly silly imho
[20:58] <tumbleweed> most network setups aare :/
[20:58] <Tonberry> the interface is simultaneously on the 192.168 network and the 10.20.78 network
[20:59] <tumbleweed> that would be problematic
[20:59] <Tonberry> but the only default gateway setting is set to <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:59] <tumbleweed> ok
[20:59] <Tonberry> but for some reason for some destination addresses the packets are sent directly to <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:00] <Tonberry> but still with the 192.168 source address
[21:00] <tumbleweed> the only functional change I know of in oneiric was the addition of ipv6
[21:01] <Tonberry> its an ipv4 only network so i doubt that should have much of an effect
[21:01] <tumbleweed> are the right mac addresses in the arp table?
[21:01] <Tonberry> yes
[21:02] <Tonberry> [22:23] <Merlin> <IP_ADDRESS>             ether   00:0c:42:70:0d:6d   C                     eth1
[21:02] <Tonberry> [22:23] <Merlin> <IP_ADDRESS>               ether   00:15:6d:64:87:85   C                     eth1
[21:02] <tumbleweed> but you see packets to the outside world going to 00:15:6d:64:87:85 ?
[21:02] <Tonberry> yes
[21:02] <tumbleweed> nafc :/
[21:02] <Tonberry> but only to hosts that seem to be used a lot
[21:03] <Tonberry> and only until a restart
[21:03] <Tonberry> then it works for a while
[21:03] <tumbleweed> but it's not intermittent?
[21:03] <cocooncrash> Tonberry: Is the ARP table sensible?
[21:04] <Tonberry> once it starts doing it for a specific dst address it does not stop until a restart
[21:04] <cocooncrash> (arp -n)
[21:04] <Tonberry> as far as we can tell
[21:04] <cocooncrash> Oh right, you pasted that
[21:07] <cocooncrash> Tonberry: What does the entire routing table look like?
[21:07] <cocooncrash> (ip route)
[21:07] <cocooncrash> Perhaps <IP_ADDRESS> is the gateway for certain ranges.
[21:08] <Tonberry> [23:07] <Merlin> jpmeijers@Katryn:~$ ip route
[21:08] <Tonberry> [23:07] <Merlin> default via <IP_ADDRESS> dev eth1  proto static
[21:08] <Tonberry> [23:07] <Merlin> <IP_ADDRESS>/24 dev eth1  proto kernel  scope link  src <IP_ADDRESS>  metric 1
[21:08] <Tonberry> [23:07] <Merlin> <IP_ADDRESS>/16 dev eth1  scope link  metric 1000
[21:08] <Tonberry> [23:07] <Merlin> <IP_ADDRESS>/24 dev eth1  proto kernel  scope link  src <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:10] <cocooncrash> Tonberry: And you're testing to a public IP address?
[21:10] <Tonberry> yes
[21:10] <cocooncrash> i.e. not in 10/8, 192.168/16, etc.
[21:10] <Tonberry> ftp.sun.ac.za/<IP_ADDRESS>
[21:11] <Tonberry> is the favourite test target at the moment
[21:11] <cocooncrash> Tonberry: ip route get <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:11] <Kerbero|2> ok now there is something wrong
[21:12] <Kerbero|2> to <IP_ADDRESS> i get the correct route
[21:12] <Kerbero|2> but to fw.sun.ac.za/<IP_ADDRESS> it is the wrong gateway
[21:12] <cocooncrash> Hrm, maybe you're getting ICMP redirects from the first gateway
[21:13] <Tonberry> [23:11] <Merlin> jpmeijers@Katryn:~$ ip route get <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:13] <Tonberry> [23:11] <Merlin> <IP_ADDRESS> via <IP_ADDRESS> dev eth1  src <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:13] <Tonberry> [23:11] <Merlin>     cache  ipid 0x9230 rtt 24ms rttvar 13ms cwnd 10
[21:13] <Tonberry> [23:11] <Merlin> jpmeijers@Katryn:~$ ip route get <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:13] <Tonberry> [23:11] <Merlin> <IP_ADDRESS> via <IP_ADDRESS> dev eth1  src <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:13] <Tonberry> [23:11] <Merlin>     cache <redirected>  ipid 0x69f5 rtt 220ms rttvar 253ms cwnd 10
[21:13] <cocooncrash> Whoa, that's interesting
[21:14] <Kerbero|2> did tonberry already say i'm only getting this since i'm using 11.10
[21:14] <Kerbero|2> me and a friend both have the same issue
[21:15] <cocooncrash> Could still be ICMP redirects, hang on
[21:15] <Kerbero|2> hmm
[21:16] <cocooncrash> Kerbero|2: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth1/accept_redirects
[21:16] <cocooncrash> On my natty system it defaults to 1
[21:16] <Kerbero|2> 1
[21:16] <cocooncrash> Kerbero|2: Okay, try disabling that
[21:16] <cocooncrash> echo 0 | sudo tee /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth1/accept_redirects
[21:17] <Kerbero|2> will have a look on a 10.04 system quickly
[21:17] <cocooncrash> I suspect that that changed recently
[21:17] <cocooncrash> Because I'm sure it defaulted to 0 before
[21:17] <Kerbero|2> 1 on my 10.04 system too
[21:17] <cocooncrash> Oh, bleh
[21:18] <cocooncrash> Might be worth a shot still though
[21:18] <Kerbero|2> will try yes
[21:19] <cocooncrash> Kerbero|2: To make it happen at boot up, add it to /etc/sysctl.conf
[21:19] <cocooncrash> net.ipv4.conf.all.accept_redirects = 0
[21:19] <Kerbero|2> guess i'll need to reset the connection now
[21:20] <Kerbero|2> or is there a way to clear the redirects
[21:20] <Tonberry> route delete maybe?
[21:21] <Kerbero|2> sudo ip route del ...
[21:21] <Kerbero|2> hmm
[21:21] <Kerbero|2> can't
[21:21] <Kerbero|2> no such process
[21:24] <Kerbero|2> ip route get <IP_ADDRESS> is stille stuck on <redirected>
[21:27] <Kerbero|2> ...and <IP_ADDRESS> is doing it again
[21:28] <Kerbero|2> the ip route get entry cahched from
[21:28] <Kerbero|2> cache ipid 0x9230 rtt 24ms rttvar 13ms cwnd 10
[21:28] <Kerbero|2> to
[21:29] <Kerbero|2> cache <redirected> ipid 0x9230 rtt 24ms rttvar 13ms cwnd 10
[21:29] <Kerbero|2> and via the wrong gateway
[21:29] <Kerbero|2> so something must be doing the redirects
[21:29] <Kerbero|2> even though i changed that parameter to 0
[21:30] <cocooncrash> Kerbero|2: ip route flush cache
[21:30] <Kerbero|2> already tried that too :P
[21:30] <Kerbero|2> will do it again
[21:30] <cocooncrash> Kerbero|2: You changed accept_redirects on the client, not the gateway, right?
[21:30] <Kerbero|2> jip
[21:31] <cocooncrash> Try setting /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/accept_redirects to 0 as well
[21:31] <Kerbero|2> ok
[21:32] <Kerbero|2> cocooncrash: do you know at what stage the redirect will be sent to me
[21:32] <cocooncrash> Kerbero|2: After the first packet
[21:33] <cocooncrash> Kerbero|2: Set secure_redirects to 0 as well
[21:33] <Kerbero|2> so i should be able to capture them with tcpdump
[21:34] <cocooncrash> Yes, you should see it being sent by the gateway to the client
[21:34] <cocooncrash> Kerbero|2: ping should also display it for you
[21:34] <Kerbero|2> hmm
[21:34] <Kerbero|2> university IT departments like to block pings
[21:35] <cocooncrash> 64 bytes from <IP_ADDRESS>: icmp_seq=1 ttl=63 time=7.99 ms
[21:35] <cocooncrash> From <IP_ADDRESS>: icmp_seq=2 Redirect Host(New nexthop: <IP_ADDRESS>)
[21:36] <Kerbero|2> i have seen those before
[21:36] <Kerbero|2> but not on my network
[21:39]  * Kerbero|2 running: tcpdump proto icmp-redirect
[21:39] <Kerbero|2> hopefully that is correct and will show something
[21:41] <cocooncrash> Kerbero|2: Not sure that that'll do what you want
[21:41] <cocooncrash> I'd just use 'tcpdump icmp'
[21:41] <Kerbero|2> ok
[21:46] <cocooncrash> kbye
[21:46] <Kerbero|2> o ok
[21:46] <Kerbero|2> bye
[21:46] <Kerbero|2> thanx for the help
[21:47] <Kerbero|2> not seeing any redirect packets yet
[23:38] <Kerbero|2> cocooncrash: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11416609


[00:35] <redir> back
[00:57] <perrito666> Redir eod eow and good bye man, see you online
[00:59] <redir> have a great weekend perrito666
[00:59] <redir> it's been great:)


[00:19] <hggdh> can someone get ubottu, or a cousin, active on #ubuntu-br?
[00:21] <valorie> that reminds me, we the KC have a #kubuntu-council page and i believe I was supposed to request it to be logged
[00:21] <valorie> page, I mean CHANNEL of course
[00:21] <valorie> sheesh
[00:21] <hggdh> heh
[00:21] <valorie> can someone remind me where I should send that request?
[00:22] <k1l_> valorie: its very difficult with this modern internet thingy :)
[00:22] <valorie> I need to do these things immediately or I forget entirely
[00:22]  * valorie smacks k1l_ with a large trout!
[00:22] <k1l_> wasnt that rt@ubuntu server guys somewhat.com?
[00:23] <ikonia> not for ubottu
[00:23] <ikonia> only logbot
[00:23] <k1l_> logbot
[00:23] <Unit193> Which is what valorie wants.
[00:23] <valorie> logbot doesn't equal ubottu
[00:23] <valorie> I think we only need logging
[00:23] <ikonia> sorry, I only saw hggdh's request
[00:23] <Unit193> valorie: Logging = rt@ubuntu, or use the webinterface.
[00:24] <valorie> webinterface?
[00:24]  * valorie googles for that
[00:24] <Unit193> rt.ubuntu.com
[00:24] <valorie> oooo, efficient
[00:25] <hggdh> and newish thingy, as well (Ionly knew the canoncical one)
[00:25] <Unit193> hggdh: I'd *guess* you'd want ubot5 so your OPs don't dal with the bantracker.
[00:26] <hggdh> Unit193: prolly. I could deal with BT, but not the others. So, yeah, you guessed right :)
[00:27] <hggdh> (others == other ops)
[00:27] <hggdh> which, BTW, I have to go and do a fall cleanup as well
[00:28] <valorie> \o/ done!
[00:28] <valorie> thank you Unit193
[00:29] <Unit193> Sure.
[19:27] <lotuspsychje> user get versioned by joining #ubuntu by * Received a CTCP VERSION from YWH_1
[19:28] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[19:35] <Flannel> confirmed.  Should send him a message to get him to turn it off.  I'm walking out the door right now though :(