[03:26] <sgclark> ah roadblock on mergers which is out of my hands.
[08:03] <yofel> moin
 clivejo use Vivaldi
 It is created by part of former Opera devs. Version 1.1 was released last days - it is super cool and fast etc.
 hiho yofel
[08:59] <yofel> o/
[08:59]  * yofel has vivialdi installed here, just isn't sure why he would use yet another chromium spinoff
[08:59] <yofel> even if I did like opera to some extent
[09:00] <yofel> I did like that UI first-run setup though
 I like the dark theme and whit all my customised options it is what I like most ;)
[10:33] <soee> they are quick openSUSE Tumbleweed Prepares for GCC 6, Users Get Linux Kernel 4.5.2, Mesa 11.2
[10:40] <shadeslayer> pft
[10:40] <shadeslayer> I have 4.6 already
[10:43]  * yofel isn't sure he wants gcc6 already...
[10:43] <yofel> I prever getting work done over ICEs
[10:43] <yofel> *pefer
[10:43] <yofel> *prefer...
[10:44] <shadeslayer> over typos ....
[10:44] <yofel> :D
[11:00] <clivejo> good afternoon ladies and gentlemens
[11:03] <clivejo> grrrr I hate symbols
[11:06] <clivejo> 3rd time lucky?
[11:09] <clivejo> yofel: need your help, I cant see why this is failing.  Ive copied ECM from the frameworks staging PPA thinking that would fix it, but still getting errors. https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-plasma/+build/9687009
[11:11] <yofel> hm, there seems to be no qmake-qt5 in your build env, for whatever reason
[11:11] <clivejo> so build dep on qtbase5-dev?
[11:12] <yofel> probably? dunno
[11:12] <yofel> whatever makes sure it's there in the other packages
[11:12] <yofel> but that sounds somewhat reaonsable
[11:13] <yofel> *reasonable
[11:13] <yofel> it's this time of the month again...
[11:13] <clivejo> oh?
[11:13] <yofel> and where's doko when you need him
[11:15]  * yofel reads #kubuntu
[11:16] <yofel> We should probably rephrase the ppa description to "ADDING THIS PPA TO YOUR SYSTEM VOIDS THE WARRANTY" or something like that
[11:17] <clivejo> ah
[11:17] <clivejo> no point
[11:17] <clivejo> people will always break the rules
[11:17] <yofel> we should do a "scary ppa descriptions competition" on the ML :D
[11:17] <clivejo> and then they blame everyone else
[11:19] <clivejo> "Microsoft Windows (TM) (R) (C) 2016 do not recommend you use the PPA, mmmmkay"
[11:20] <yofel> lol, that would work I guess
[11:22] <clivejo> "Adding this PPA will lead to the FBI breaking in your door, and areesting your dog. DONT DO IT!! "
[11:23] <yofel> "This PPA comes with the latest version of the NSA surveillance software - for improved data redundancy"
[11:24]  * clivejo giggles
[12:06] <soee> yofel: add in th description that we do not provide any support when added such ppa, and user do it on own risk
[12:10] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:11] <yofel> o/
[12:11] <BluesKaj> hey yofel
[12:39] <sgclark> morning
[12:41] <BluesKaj> 'Morning sgclark
[12:42] <soee> hiho
[12:45] <BluesKaj> hi soee
[13:05] <clivejo> yofel: kwallet-pam is building two new files and I dont know where to put them
[13:06] <clivejo> [13:06] <clivejo> -./etc/xdg/autostart/pam_kwallet_init.desktop
[13:06] <clivejo> -./lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libexec/pam_kwallet_init
[13:06] <clivejo> [13:07] <clivejo> answers on a post card please
[13:07] <sitter> clivejo: cherrypick from neon
[13:08] <clivejo> sitter: new package pam-kwallet-init ?
[13:08] <sitter> oui
[13:09] <clivejo> sitter: how will debian deal with this?
[13:09] <clivejo> are you going to take your lead?
[13:09] <clivejo> they
[13:18] <sitter> not the faintest idea
[13:18] <sitter> if you take my lead they will take your lead and everyone is happy
[13:18] <clivejo> but will they?
[13:18] <clivejo> now that we have moved to LP git?
[13:20] <clivejo> any know what kde-cli-tools: package-must-activate-ldconfig-trigger usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libkdeinit5_kcmshell5.so means?
[13:27] <sitter> clivejo: you could tell maxy and then they probably will
[13:29] <clivejo> ah right! Im sure he'll listen to me!
[13:31] <sitter> clivejo: you are a perfectly nice chap one might or might not want to listen to, probably. ;)
[13:32] <yofel> sitter: do you have the login data for ~kubuntu-ci-bot ?
[13:32] <clivejo> LOL Ive havent even been doing this for a year yet
[13:32] <sitter> yofel: once I request a reset I might
[13:32] <clivejo> why would anyone listen to me?!?
[13:33] <yofel> sitter: sgclark was looking at how to grant it commit access for the branches (I don't know what ssh key is used where)
[13:34] <sgclark> meh no rush. mergers are still quite broken. not using origin is once again biting us
[13:34] <yofel> why would we not be using origin?
[13:34]  * yofel is confused
[13:34] <clivejo> why cant we use origin?
[13:35] <clivejo> surely LP is origin
[13:35] <sgclark> yofel: you told me not to. path I mean origin/blah
[13:36] <yofel> sgclark: yes, because the way you had pushed that, the actual checkout path would have been origin/origin/blah
[13:36] <sgclark> meh I don't know
[13:36] <sgclark> I am so fricken frazzled I don't know how anything works anymore
[13:36] <yofel> the branch itself must not have an origin prefix. The remote name is a local thing though and unrelated to where the remote repository is located
[13:37] <yofel> take a break!
[13:37] <sitter> *must resist urge to paste passwords without checking if in query first*
[13:38] <sgclark> I can't. I have to finish this before my internship
[13:38] <sitter> yofel: ye have a password in a query
[13:38] <yofel> thanks
[13:38]  * yofel reported a bug in Launchpad about Launchpad
[13:38] <yofel> the day is saved
[13:38] <sitter> on a unrelated note, feel free to change the mail address of the account. I don't mind particularly, it's not the most efficient of ways to handle this sorta thing though ^^
[13:42] <clivejo> Gmail is so confusing
[13:42] <clivejo> why do they have to reinvent the wheel and make it a square
[13:43] <yofel> because people are tired of round wheels
[13:43] <clivejo> at least they work!
[13:44]  * clivejo kicks kontact and firefox
[13:44] <sitter> intermission time! http://imgur.com/gallery/Orfwjiu
[13:44] <sitter> clivejo: oh to answer your question as to why anyone would listen to you. because you'd be messenger delivering my bidding :P
[13:45] <clivejo> you know what happens to messengers!
[13:45] <sitter> clivejo: also, time engaged doesn't mean much. there's people who have done packaging for years and aren't doing a very good job
[13:46] <clivejo> sitter: do you know what that lintian error is about?
[13:46] <sitter> lintian being daft is what it is about
[13:47]  * sgclark isn't doing a very good job
[13:47] <clivejo> I disagree @ sgclark
[13:47]  * yofel messes up all the time
[13:48] <clivejo> its a very steep and slippery slope you are climbing and you are doing your best !
[13:48] <mamarley> sgclark: You are way too hard on yourself.  You are doing great!
[13:48] <sgclark> https://lintian.debian.org/tags/package-must-activate-ldconfig-trigger.html looks to me like postinst-must-call-ldconfig was replaced?
[13:48] <sitter> no
[13:48] <yofel> I should sue the kubunt project lead for false promises. The docs said something about eventually becoming sitter after a while
[13:48] <yofel> wait, that's me
[13:48] <sitter> sgclark: it's just a new warning because the other 3 along the same line weren't enough
[13:48] <sgclark> haha
[13:48] <sitter> see existing lintian override of that package
[13:49] <sgclark> so it is in addition to?
[13:49] <clivejo> but is there some way of making lintian happy instead of overriding it?
[13:50] <sitter> yofel: I think they said you can become apachelogger. which you can. for like 20 seconds until nickserv forces a new nick on you :P
[13:50] <yofel> true :D
[13:50] <sitter> sgclark: in addition to yes http://packaging.neon.kde.org/cgit/plasma/kde-cli-tools.git/tree/debian/kde-cli-tools.lintian-overrides?h=Neon/unstable
[13:50] <clivejo> sitter: did you work for Canoncial at one point?
[13:51]  * sgclark wonders how often sitter gets asked that
[13:51] <sitter> kdeinit simply causes false positives becuase kdeinit is a very special thing, and is using silly paths, but that's another matter
[13:51] <sitter> clivejo: I did not
[13:51] <yofel> sitter obviously needs to join https://launchpad.net/~not-canonical
[13:52] <clivejo> LOL
[13:52] <clivejo> is there a definitely-not-canonical group?
[13:53] <sgclark> ok so my adding it to overrides looks to be the right move. good to know I didn't mess one thing up.
[13:54] <clivejo> would someone move plasma-discover back to just discover in LP git please?
[13:55] <clivejo> or tell me how to do it
[13:55]  * clivejo is sick of seeing it on his list
[13:56] <yofel> go to the branch page on launchpad (code.l, not git.l), there click on change details and change the name
[13:56] <clivejo> is it that easy?!?
[13:56] <yofel> should be
[13:57] <yofel> that's not the hard part anyway, fixing everything else is
[13:57] <clivejo> good gracious me, I thought it was going to be a ruby script from the Ruby god him/herself
[13:57] <yofel> well, you CAN use the API if you really want to...
[13:58] <clivejo> no no, Im good thanks :)
[13:59]  * clivejo checks that off his list
[13:59] <sgclark> lol
[13:59] <clivejo> eakkk
[14:00] <clivejo> security updates
[14:00] <clivejo> openssl
[14:02] <clivejo> http://packaging.neon.kde.org/cgit/plasma/libkscreen.git/commit/?h=Neon/release&id=e64786e3a34efd819a7fde3a7bfdf94cf9a316a9
[14:02] <clivejo> Anyone know why its obsoleted?
[14:03] <yofel> because it's replaced by 7?
[14:03] <clivejo> why not just rename the files?
[14:04] <clivejo> odd
[14:04] <yofel> it doesn't matter either way
[14:04] <yofel> just different workflows
[14:06] <clivejo> okay dokey smokey
[14:07] <shadeslayer> clivejo: yofel The files were renamed, but I think Riddell just did a git rm and git add :P
[14:08] <yofel> or that, true
[14:08] <shadeslayer> I  see version info in the symbols
[14:08] <yofel> how could he ^^
[14:17] <clivejo> yofel: so you happy with me linitan overriding "E: kde-cli-tools: package-must-activate-ldconfig-trigger usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libkdeinit5_kcmshell5.so"
[14:23] <yofel> yes
[14:24] <clivejo> :) pushed and uploaded
[14:25] <clivejo> sitter: is there anyone working on khelpcentre?
[14:26] <clivejo> it looks VERY outdated :/
[14:30] <clivejo> We should just have a status page
[14:34] <soee> im not sure if we can do it but we could link each version to status pages - would be handy
[14:34] <soee> clivejo: do you know who packaged digiKam ?
[14:34] <soee> !info digikam xenial
[14:35] <clivejo> soee: Ive attempted it in the past
[14:35] <sgclark> sitter: any clue what would randomly delete tooling3 and replace it with blue-systems on kci?
[14:35] <soee> some user on #kubuntu reported that it is missing world map?
[14:35] <soee> [16:33] <Graf_Westerholt> soee, as I know, it is because of Kubuntu. Kubuntu is missing a package for the world map for digiKam.
[14:36] <yofel> ^ true
[14:36] <sgclark> soee: libkgeomap was not ported at the time we packaged that. not sure if it has a release yet for kf5
[14:36] <yofel> that
[14:36] <sgclark> well
[14:36] <yofel> actually the other way around, marble is qt5, digikam qt4
[14:37] <sgclark> I think my efforts are for not
[14:37] <sgclark> something is overwriting my changes on kci
[14:37] <clivejo> I did play around with packaging digikam5
[14:37] <clivejo> should be in my PPA somewhere
[14:37] <clivejo> and I use it on my own machine
[14:38] <clivejo> soee: https://launchpad.net/~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/xenial
[14:38] <clivejo> beta 3 of digikam5
[14:38] <soee> but we cant ship beta no?
[14:38] <Graf_Westerholt> I am missing libkgeomap very much.
[14:39] <clivejo> nope
[14:39] <clivejo> its only testing
[14:39] <soee> i see :)
[14:39] <sgclark> it is upstream problem, we can't ship beta software and digikam has not released kf5 yet
[14:39] <clivejo> but its looking good
[14:39] <sgclark> libkgeomap qt4 is no more
[14:40] <soee> Graf_Westerholt: so as you see we can't do much here
[14:40] <Graf_Westerholt> soee, ok.
[14:40] <clivejo> Graf_Westerholt: feel free to test beta 3
[14:41] <yofel> we could put the beta into yakkety I guess. As long as it works somewhat well people could at least test it
[14:41] <Graf_Westerholt> clivejo, I am using Kubuntu 14.04 on a second PC for the world map, so I have a workaround.
[14:41] <clivejo> Graf_Westerholt: ok, no problem :)
[14:42] <Graf_Westerholt> But of course it would be better to have it in the newest Kubuntu.
[14:46] <clivejo> once version 5 is officially released Im sure we'll backport it to xenial
[14:54] <sitter> sgclark: mgmt_tooling
[14:55] <sgclark> yeah found it
[14:55] <sgclark> thanks
[14:55] <sitter> clivejo: kicked to the curb, moving from plasma to applications because it is so badly maintained
[14:55] <sgclark> I though tosky took over?
[14:55] <sgclark> thought*
[14:55] <clivejo> sitter: huh?
[14:57] <sgclark> clivejo: khelpcenter
[14:57] <sitter> sgclark: still getting the curb
[14:57] <clivejo> ah
[14:57] <sgclark> ah
[14:57] <sgclark> so no help in kde? lol
[14:57]  * clivejo hates symbols
[14:57] <clivejo> sgclark: have you seen khelp recently?
[14:58] <clivejo> its very poor!
[14:58] <sgclark> yes it is dreadful
[14:58] <sgclark> and it really looks bad on kde
[14:58] <sgclark> but fixing it seems like a better idea
[14:58] <sgclark> but meh, guess if there is no one to do it, none is better than useless
[15:06]  * clivejo shouts at libkscreen, just go green !!
[15:08] <soee> :D
[15:51] <clivejo> yofel sgclark: Debian seem to have a new package called plasma-integration - http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/plasma/plasma-integration.git/
[15:52] <clivejo> looks like plasma-workspace needs it
[15:52] <sgclark> kactivities has a new kactvities-workspace too, not sure if this release
[15:52] <clivejo> can I copy it into LP?
 hello world
[16:13] <clivejo> hi @ovidiuflorin
[16:15] <clivejo> yofel sgclark: Ive gone ahead and copied it to LP
[16:16] <clivejo> https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/plasma-integration
[16:16] <clivejo> added it to the package list on KA and uploaded to staging PPA#
[16:16] <clivejo> Im gonna be away for a bit as its tea time here
[16:17] <clivejo> if you could check it over make sure Ive done it right
 on what channel do I find the Ubuntu sysadmins?
 or canonical sysadmins
[16:38] <sgclark> canonical-sysadmins
[16:38] <sgclark> canonical-sysadmin
[16:38] <sgclark> #canonical-sysadmin
[16:38]  * sgclark needs more sleep
[16:45] <ovidiuflorin> thank you
 Don't wait for me for the hangout. I'm stuck in traffic
[17:19] <allee> FWIW: in a fresh xenial install I find  qt4 based  baloo-utils libbaloo*4 and libakondi-{kmime,kde,kabc}4
[17:19] <allee> bause there is no qt4 verssion of ballo and akonadiserver it makes no sense to still have them in the archive
[17:48] <allee> ah and there's kdeconnect the qt4 version replaced by qt5 based kdeconnect-plasma
[17:52] <clivejo> is there a core meeting ?
 there should be
 @Sick_Rimmit where are you?
 https://plus.google.com/events/csrm9np0q5jqj5akridn79k7idg?authkey=CMTk26n85IqYEQ
[17:57] <ovidiuflorin> I'm there
[17:58] <clivejo> is it over?
[18:00] <ovidiuflorin> no
[18:01] <ovidiuflorin> clivejo: come and join
[18:01] <clivejo> how?
[18:01] <ovidiuflorin> allee: https://kubuntu.org/download-test/
[18:17] <ovidiuflorin> https://kubuntu.org/download-test/
[18:59] <yofel> o/
[19:01] <ovidiuflorin> mhall119: ping
 http://youtu.be/QQcBKzfgZUs
[19:01] <mhall119> ovidiuflorin: pong
 That is link,
[19:06] <ovidiuflorin> mhall119: the link is updated already
[19:06] <ovidiuflorin> thank you anyway
[19:24]  * genii tries to read the spines of the books on oviduflorin's bookshelf
[19:26] <sgclark> sorry I did not make the meeting. I crash and burned. Not much sleep lately.
[19:26]  * clivejo hugs sgclark
[19:26] <clivejo> dont go burning yourself out
[19:27] <sgclark> I think I am close on mergers. He has some serious magic going on here. Well it looks like magic to this newb
[19:27] <genii> Who is the 4th person on the podcast who is not listed?
[19:28] <sgclark> yofel: still issues on my sru. now they complain my backport is same version as yakkety. I am baffeled on how one would make it less. Help accepted if you have time.
[19:29] <shadeslayer> sgclark: heh, it looks like magic till you stare at it long enough
[19:29] <shadeslayer> And also, read tests :P
[19:30] <sgclark> well seeing as I did not know ruby when I started a few days ago I am not doing bad.
[19:31] <yofel> sgclark: ubuntu1.1 as I said, that should work
[19:32] <shadeslayer> sgclark: yeah its a very steep learning curve :)
[19:32] <shadeslayer> You'll be up in no time :)
[19:33] <sgclark> yofel: but I got rejected and surely I will now with 2. I am so confused. I think I broke my brain.
[19:33] <sgclark> so 2.1?
[19:33] <shadeslayer> Just remember , everything is a object :P
[19:33] <genii> Holy recursing video, Batman
[19:34] <yofel> sgclark: huh, you got rejected with 1.1?
[19:34] <yofel> I thought you got rejected with 1?
[19:34] <sgclark> oh
[19:34] <sgclark> but I will with 1.1 now cuz 2 is there no?
[19:34] <sgclark> but originally no it was 1 correct
[19:35] <yofel> 2 is in yakkety, not in xenial
[19:35] <yofel> ah, it's in unapproved. You uploads won't get rejected unless it's in xenial-proposed
[19:35] <genii> !info muon yakkety
[19:35] <yofel> *your
[19:35] <sgclark> ok so if I run again with 1.1 all will be well with the world?
[19:35] <genii> Hm
[19:36] <yofel> yes, the release team will just reject 2 and accept 1.1
[19:36]  * sgclark tries
[19:36] <sgclark> ok thanks
[19:39] <clivejo> o/ acheron88
[19:39] <genii> Yes, it is shifting the colour a bit
[19:46] <genii> telegram: Might be nice to clarify what exactly neon is
[19:58] <clivejo> !info libkf5screen-bin
[20:11] <genii> So we get to find out now if she gets stickers? ;)
[20:12] <genii> Haha, nice!
[20:14] <jimarvan> hi guys
[20:14] <soee> hiho
[20:15] <clivejo> hi soee
[20:15] <clivejo> have you tried/tested FW?
[20:16] <soee> clivejo: only on Xenial
[20:16] <clivejo> and?
[20:17] <soee> well works fine except this one icons package
[20:17] <clivejo> the breeze thing?
[20:17] <soee> and activities manager is not working - probably due to old Plasma 5.5.5
[20:17] <soee> oxygen5-icon-theme
[20:18] <clivejo> yeah, Im having problems with that
[20:18] <soee> but Philip said we should get rid of it some day i think
[20:19] <soee> Breeze have now thousands of icons so i'm not sure why this fallback theme is still provided
[20:22] <yofel> it is still used, and oxygen5-icon-theme is the correct package
[20:22] <yofel> oxygen-icon-theme has to go
[20:23] <yofel> oh right, nobody probably uploaded the fixed package
[20:23] <clivejo> !info libkf5screen-bin
[20:24] <yofel> it is still used, and oxygen5-icon-theme is the correct package
[20:26] <jimarvan> guys how can i send a message to podcast?
[20:26] <jimarvan> is there a channel on irc?
[20:26] <soee> jimarvan: join #kubuntu-podcast
[20:26] <clivejo> #kubuntu-podcast
 join #kubuntu-podcast
[20:26] <jimarvan> thanks!
[20:29] <clivejo> yofel: have you time to help me with something?
[20:39] <yofel> clivejo: depends on what it is?
[20:41] <clivejo> https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/libkscreen/tree/debian?h=kubuntu_yakkety_archive
[20:41] <clivejo> libkf5screen-bin.install and libkf5screen7.install
[20:42] <clivejo> should usr/lib/*/qt5/plugins/kf5/kscreen/ be in libkf5screen7.install
[20:43] <clivejo> Neon seems to have done away with libkf5screen-bin.install and put it all in libkf5screen7.install
[20:43] <clivejo> but Debian seem to be keeping libkf5screen-bin
[20:43] <yofel> I would say no - theoretically yes, but only with a version namespace
[20:45] <clivejo> I dont understand that answer!
[20:46] <clivejo> no but yes!
[20:46] <yofel> the problem with having it in libkf5screen7, is that it makes different soversion not co-installable - which is kind of the point of the whole versioning
[20:47] <yofel> in practice, that's already the case though with -bin, as the lib needs the exact matching -bin package
[20:47] <clivejo> where would you put it?
[20:47] <yofel> so either way is ~ok, -bin just looks better
[20:47] <clivejo> my instinct is telling me to put it in -bin
[20:49] <clivejo> its a plugin rather than a library, no?
[20:49] <yofel> right
[20:51] <clivejo> Neon have done away with -bin and bunched all the files into libkf5screen7
[20:51] <clivejo> http://packaging.neon.kde.org/cgit/plasma/libkscreen.git/tree/debian/libkf5screen7.install?h=Neon/release
[20:51] <clivejo> does that make sense to you?
[20:52] <yofel> yes, it makes it easier to CI really, as you have less packages to maintain
[20:52] <clivejo> should I follow Neon and do away with -bin ?
[20:52] <sgclark> yofel: looks like I have to do some re-write with ci, last chance, do we want to break namespaces down further? aka similiar to debian?
[20:52] <yofel> sgclark: why would we?
[20:53] <sgclark> I don't know. just saying last chance.
[20:53] <yofel> clivejo: either way is fine, I really don't care myself.
[20:53] <yofel> if you want my opinion -> debian
[20:53] <yofel> sgclark: then lets leave it like this
[20:54] <sgclark> ok
[20:54] <clivejo> yofel: ok, Ill leave it like debian with a -bin package and leave usr/lib/*/qt5/plugins/kf5/kscreen/ in the main libkf5kscreen7.install
[20:55] <clivejo> since debian have it like that#
[21:09] <clivejo> can dput sometimes not work?
[21:10] <clivejo> ie locally it says it has, but LP doesnt ack it?
[21:16] <clivejo> soee: why arent you on yakkety?
[21:17] <yofel> one case where that would happen is when you signed the package with a GPG key that LP doesn't know about
 I think Bluskaj jumped to YY and I want to test backports before upgrading to YY
 I have to check if graphics drivers ppa has already builds for YY
 Oh it das .. wee :)
[21:25] <clivejo> nope, it knows about my key
[21:25] <clivejo> just very occasionally it fails to ack the upload
[21:30] <ahoneybun> sgclark ping
[21:30] <sgclark> ahoneybun: pong
[21:30] <ahoneybun> sgclark can you see everyone who backs your patreon thing?
[21:31] <sgclark> I get emails.
[21:31] <sgclark> of course than requires me to check my email
[21:31] <ahoneybun> mm
[21:31]  * sgclark is drowning in ruby
[21:31] <clivejo> eakk LP must be busy
[21:31] <clivejo> 40min wait
[21:32] <ahoneybun> https://twitter.com/ATHoneycutt/status/727955318467006464
[21:32] <sgclark> aww so sweet thank you ahoneybun
[21:32] <ahoneybun> get the hashtag going :)
[21:34] <valorie> tweeted
[21:35] <valorie> also just reported a security vuln on imagemagick
[21:35] <valorie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/imagemagick/+bug/1578398 but you won't be able to read it
[21:35] <valorie> seeekrit
[21:36] <valorie> although https://imagetragick.com is public
[21:36] <yofel> the one that was all over the news today? ^^
[21:36] <sgclark> we dont package that do we?
[21:36] <yofel> NOPE
[21:36] <ahoneybun> we do I think
[21:36] <ahoneybun> ?
[21:36] <ahoneybun> used to
[21:36] <yofel> oops, sry
[21:36] <sgclark> I like yofels answer better
[21:36] <ahoneybun> thanks valorie
[21:37] <valorie> well, it's in the archive; I didn't file against kubuntu
[21:37] <valorie> just in general
[21:38] <valorie> yofel: I heard about it in #linuxchix, but I don't think that qualifies as "all over the news"
[21:39] <yofel> it was on 2 german IT news websites at least
[21:40] <valorie> good
[21:40] <valorie> might get fixed fast then
[21:42] <soee> someone of you is on YY?
[21:49] <valorie> I'm thinking about putting it on this one, if I buy my son's "old" laptop
[21:50] <valorie> otoh, not sure i can get xenial on it, since scarlett didn't succeed in doing so at LFNW
[21:54] <soee> the do-release-upgrade -d does not show new version
[21:57] <valorie> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/U%2B1/common-problems
[23:57] <clivejo> sgclark: ping
[23:57] <sgclark> clivejo: pong
[23:58] <clivejo> hey
[23:59] <clivejo> Errors were encountered while processing:
[23:59] <clivejo>  /var/cache/apt/archives/plasma-framework-dev_5.21.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa1_amd64.deb
[23:59] <clivejo> Looks to be symbols related


[04:02] <dzho> cmaloney: did you see where Jupiter cantab the whole *company* was up for sale on ebay at one point?
[04:02] <dzho> I don't remember if we've talked about this or not, I don't remember you being into the Jupiter Ace
[09:55] <cmaloney> really?
[09:55] <cmaloney> that's insane
[09:56] <cmaloney> I wasn't too much into the Ace, but it did pique my interest
[09:57] <cmaloney> Seemed like a neat machime that was too quirkly and underpowered for its own good
[13:48] <cmaloney> Morning
[15:42] <jcastro> cmaloney, https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=21&v=9x4bfHllX2A
[16:18] <cmaloney> Nice!
[16:20] <cmaloney> jcastro: That's awesome. :)
[17:30] <cscheib> nice non-productive day at the office
[19:03] <cmaloney> heh
[21:26]  * greg-g puts on "5 Million Ways to Kill a CEO"
[21:45] <cmaloney> Might not want to admit that
[21:45] <cmaloney> Things not going well?
[22:00] <greg-g> :)
[22:00] <greg-g> things will be fine
[23:59] <_stink_> sounds like a mantra


[21:54] <bastidrazor> alpha: you're welcome.
[21:54] <bashendsing> Oer,  I did add it by terminal
[21:54] <bashendsing> Oer,  Ohh I see it now, thanks.
[21:55] <sarthor> Hi, i am following the howto  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=760018 , on "fprint_demo" it says. NO DEVICE FOUND, I am using lucid on lenovw SL510. Help
[21:56] <fajar> na awak aceh
[21:56] <oCean_> !in | fajar
[21:56] <oCean_> fajar: sorry
[21:56] <oCean_> !id | fajar
[21:56] <thune3> bashendsing: i think i'm behind on what you are currently doing, but it looks like the repository should point to http://sourceforge.net/... and not  http://downloads.sourceforge.net/...
[21:57] <sweetpi> sarthor: did you follow the troubleshooting section on that link?
[21:57] <bashendsing> thune3,  I followed the guide on ubuntuzilla and that link was there on the guide...I did not invent it.
[21:57] <thune3> bashendsing: right, i think the guide may be off
[21:58] <bashendsing> thune3,  I should contact them someway to update it or something...there could be others failing to install firefox like me.
[21:58] <sarthor> sweetpi, i read all. but no success
[21:58] <thune3> bashendsing: see if it works first.
[21:58] <Guest3069> why did chromium change controls to left?  I mean I can adapt but just a notice there of
[21:59] <bashendsing> thune3,  I triend and it doesnt...
[21:59] <erUSUL> Guest3069: becouse all ubuntu changed to
[21:59] <bashendsing> thune3,  tried*
[21:59] <sweetpi> sarthor: you tried "sudo fprint_demo"?
[21:59] <sarthor> sweetpi, yes. didnot work.
[21:59] <chrissharp123> Guest3069: it's just Ubuntu's version of Chromium - because Ubuntu plans to add some functionality on the upper right of windows in future releases
[22:00] <sweetpi> sarthor: what device do you have?
[22:00] <sarthor> sweetpi, in lsubb, i actualy can see my fingerprint sensor
[22:00] <sarthor> but on win7 and vista it works.
[22:00] <dublisk> How do I know which drive is sda / sdb etc?
[22:00] <dublisk> I want to install ubunutu but I don't know which drive to install it to
[22:00] <iseepackets> hello im brand new how do i ge the cylinder or cube desktop?
[22:01] <erUSUL> !ccsm | iseepackets
[22:01] <chrissharp123> dublisk: the installer will detect whether you have other OSs installed - it should be clear in the partitioning step
[22:01] <chrissharp123> (if that's your issue, that is)
[22:01] <dublisk> chrissharp123 : thats the problem, it doesn't
[22:01] <chrissharp123> ah...
[22:01] <devslash> does anyone run ubuntu in virtualbox ?
[22:01] <dublisk> I have windows 7 installed and openSUSE
[22:02] <xangua> iseepackets: install compiz setting manager and configure your plugin
[22:02] <xangua> iseepackets: sudo apt-get install ccsm
[22:02] <dublisk> I have 3 hard drives, two of them are for windows, and the third has openSUSE, I want to install ubuntu on the 3rd drive over openSUSE
[22:03] <dublisk> unfortunately disks 2 and 3 are the exact same model so I don't know which is which in ubuntu installer
[22:04] <chrissharp123> dublisk: if you can mount disks 2/3, you should be able to navigate the filesystems on each and tell the difference
[22:04] <dublisk> mount them in the installer?
[22:04] <chrissharp123> dublisk: in the live CD, yes
[22:04] <zaxonspox> hello, how to export audio from FLV using FFmpeg on Ubuntu?
[22:04] <Dr_Willis> dublisk:  or from the command line/console.
[22:05] <sarthor> sweetpi, any idea?
[22:05] <erUSUL> zaxonspox: ffmpeg -i file.flv file.mp3
[22:05] <sweetpi> sarthor: not really, because you didnt answer my question :)
[22:05] <Dr_Willis> dublisk:  or boot to windows.. and uise the windows tools to delete the partitions on the linux disk.. or check output of 'sudo fdisk -l' or.. open the case and unplug the windows drives..  or...
[22:06] <dublisk> windows doesn't recognize the linux drive
[22:06] <violinappren> zaxonspox: ffmpeg -i file.flv -acodec copy file.mp3
[22:06] <sarthor> sweetpi, what question? let me check. i did not see your question. let me check.
[22:06] <zaxonspox> erUSUL it does not working
[22:06] <iseepackets> how do iinstall ccsm?
[22:06] <Dr_Willis> dublisk:  you can still 'partition' the linux hard drive from windows.
[22:06] <Dr_Willis> dublisk:  You just cant access the files on it. but you can delete the partitions
[22:06] <duffydack> !medibuntu | zaxonspox
[22:06] <Guest3069> ubuntu software center
[22:06] <erUSUL> zaxonspox: error ? you have to install libmame0 first
[22:06] <dublisk> ok
[22:06] <sarthor> sweetpi, I am using lenovo SL510 Laptop, do not konw what device it has, i will check from google.
[22:07] <zaxonspox> violinappren, some problem with it
[22:07] <cts> Hi again!  How can I tell network manager to lock the screen when the laptop lid is closed on mains power?
[22:07] <blut> hello
[22:07] <erUSUL> zaxonspox: is " libmp3lame0 "
[22:07] <duffydack> zaxonspox, enable medibuntu and install restricted ffmpeg or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=786095
[22:07] <violinappren> zaxonspox: is it from youtube? use http://dirpy.com
[22:07] <blut> i am trying to get warcraft 3 tft on wine 1.2 to work, but is still just get a black screen
[22:07] <Guest3069> how can I tell second moniter to remain on when I close lid?
[22:07] <devslash> does anyone run ubuntu in virtualbox ?
[22:08] <zaxonspox> violinappren,  yes YT
[22:08] <jaredx> hey
[22:08] <Guest3069> how can I tell second moniter to remain on when I close lid?
[22:08] <blut> the people in winehq told be to get the 32 libraries
[22:08] <DasEi> devslash: yes
[22:08] <zaxonspox> erUSUL, yes installed
[22:08] <blut> which would be?
[22:08] <io> !repeat | Guest3069
[22:08] <Guest3069> check
[22:08] <zaxonspox> erUSUL, ffmpeg says "Unknown encoder for mp3"
[22:09] <cts> Is there a separate chat room for network manager?
[22:09] <dublisk> anyway, I'm going to try the fedora installer first, ubuntu doesn't give me much confidence if the installer doesn't even work properly
[22:09] <violinappren> zaxonspox: paste the url in http://dirpy.com and then in the middle you'll find "Download to mp3"
[22:09] <io> cts: Please ask your question here. :-)
[22:09] <sweetpi> sarthor: did you try thinkfinger-tools?
[22:10] <zaxonspox> violinappren, cant i do it with local FLV's?
[22:10] <sarthor> sweetpi, No
[22:10] <erUSUL> zaxonspox: without recompressing ? ffmpeg -i file.flv -acodec copy file
[22:10] <DasEi> devslash: what's your question ?
[22:10] <zaxonspox> erUSUL, with copy some files (with audio codec N/A ) wont work after FFmpeg
[22:11] <sweetpi> sarthor: install thinkfinger-tools and run sudo tf-tool --aquire, then tf-tool --verify
[22:11] <Guest3069> Just because someone asks a question off you topic doesn't mean they do know what you need
[22:11] <violinappren> zaxonspox: you can do it locally but you need to install the proper codecs
[22:11] <violinappren> !codec | zaxonspox
[22:11] <cts> io: Well, I want ubuntu to lock the screen when I close the laptop lid while not running on battery.
[22:11] <sweetpi> sarthor: sudo on that last command as well
[22:11] <devslash> DasEi: i figured it out
[22:12] <DasEi> devslash: fine then
[22:12] <erUSUL> zaxonspox: works here ...
[22:12] <Ether> hey guys
[22:12] <kv102t> anyone use Quassel IRC??
[22:12] <sarthor> sweetpi, installed. and it says. Initializing...USB device not found. on the last command
[22:12] <Ether> probably wrong place to ask, maybe... but having issues doing a make on xchat x-sys plugin
[22:12] <cts> io: That option is missing in the menu.  Oh, it's power management, of course... :)
[22:12] <zaxonspox> erUSUL, the problematic FLV have H.264/AVC Viedo codec, the other FLV that works has only Audio codec mp3 with no Vid Codec
[22:12] <Ichat> cts so what has the 'laptops lit  to do with network manager ;?
[22:12] <Ether> I get pci/header.h: no such file
[22:13] <sweetpi> sarthor: pastbin both commands and their output
[22:13] <sarthor> sweetpi, ok
[22:13] <erUSUL> zaxonspox: going to try weith one of those
[22:13] <cts> Ichat: You're right, I wanted to say: power management...  sorry.
[22:14] <erUSUL> zaxonspox: works with a mp4 i had around ( from youtube )
[22:14] <Ether> no help on the make error?
[22:14] <Ether> anyone have an idea where else I could ask abou tit?
[22:14] <sarthor> sweetpi, http://pastebin.com/kBvsVuNu
[22:15] <violinappren> zaxonspox: erUSUL: youtube uses many codecs and in different settings
[22:15] <erUSUL> violinappren: well ffmpeg should autodetect... i'm not using fancy options... « ffmpeg -i shins_new_slang.mp4 shins.mp3 »
[22:15] <DasEi> Ether: you try to compile an extension for xchat ?
[22:16] <Ichat> cts - doesn't powermanagement  have an option what to do when closing the lit???
[22:16] <Ether> yes DasEi
[22:16] <Ether> x-sys
[22:16] <sweetpi> sarthor: oops typo "sudo tf-tool --acquire"
[22:16] <Ichat> id have to startup my laptop to see but i cant realy believe that there isn't one ...
[22:16] <cts> Ichat: Yes, it has. But it offers only Blank screen, suspend, hibernate and shutdown.
[22:16] <zaxonspox> violinappren, File#1 Vid Codec H.264 Aud Codec none --> audio extraction dont work, File#2 Vid Codec none Aud Codec MP3 --> extraction work
[22:17] <Ichat> isn't it locking when you blank it?
[22:17] <DasEi> Ether: exact name ? build-essential installed ?
[22:17] <sarthor> sweetpi, it also says "Initializing...USB device not found."
[22:17] <violinappren> zaxonspox: does it work in dirpy?
[22:17] <cts> Ichat: No, unfortunately not.  I'd really prefer that.  It locks with suspend, but that's not the same.  :)
[22:17] <Ether> http://dev.gentoo.org/~chainsaw/xsys/ on ubu 10.4 netbook
[22:18] <sarthor> sweetpi, http://pastebin.com/aVHdjHEy
[22:18] <DasEi> Ether: xchat-xsys  is in the repos, just apt-install it
[22:18] <Ichat> suspend isn't preferable for a short moment
[22:18] <Ether> lol DasEi
[22:18] <Ether> thanks
[22:18] <cts> Ichat: exactly.
[22:18] <DasEi> np
[22:19] <Ichat> hmm nice thin to go look for lol...     cuz i would love to set it up also  no you mention it
[22:19] <sweetpi> sarthor: pastebin the relevant parts of dmesg for the detection of the reader, and maybe syslog
[22:19] <iseepackets> im running ubuntu 10.4 n compizconfig isnt there
[22:20] <DasEi> !ccsm | iseepackets
[22:21] <iseepackets> how do i install it?
[22:21] <violinappren> iseepackets: synaptic
[22:21] <cts> Ichat: What's the strategy? Go through the wishlist for power management?
[22:21] <iseepackets> whats that mena?
[22:21] <violinappren> !software | iseepackets
[22:22] <DasEi> !who | iseepackets
[22:22] <bytbox> where in /proc can I find the current available space of a file system?
[22:22] <violinappren> bytbox: df
[22:22] <DasEi> iseepackets: sudo apt-get install simple-ccsm
[22:22] <bastidrazor> iseepackets: compizconfig-settings-manager is the one to install.. and it will be listed in System > Preferences > Compiz Settigns Manager
[22:23] <bytbox> violinappren: in /proc, so I can access it from a program without having to redirect output and foo
[22:23] <Ichat> im lookin now,  it think i found some in other treads... about   >>>  lidbtn
[22:23] <erUSUL> bytbox: df -hs
[22:23] <bytbox> erUSUL: in /proc, so I can access it from a program without having to redirect output and foo
[22:24] <cts> Ichat: lidbtn? Sorry, I'm new and don't understand that...
[22:24] <fajar> me to
[22:24] <johan> Where is the proper place to file bugs for (x)ubuntu?
[22:24] <Ichat> that action calls a script to either blank the screen or to shutdown  (ho-ever its set) --    you could  set it to call for a modified script that  expect  blancs screen also
[22:24] <bytbox> johan http://launchpad.net/
[22:24] <johan> bytbox, thx
[22:25] <Ichat> cts - look at:  /etc/acpi/events/lidbtn
[22:25] <zaxonspox> violinappren, it works, but why FFmpeg dont understand libmp3lame0 ? i cant use it
[22:26] <violinappren> zaxonspox: did you see the codecs page?
[22:26] <xangua> johan: launchpad
[22:26] <violinappren> !codec | zaxonspox
[22:26] <Ichat> that if still used should  call for a script that will   do what ever it is you wnat...    id say first set your     powermanager to   blanc screen,   and than  open this file and see what   commands its invoking on this....  the script that it calles should be the one we need
[22:27] <zigovr> hi, I am trying to seek in the input with dd, the option "skip" reads the data it skips, but I want instead to seek into the input, to avoid reading uncessary data (beside, my disk is broken)
[22:27] <zigovr> is there a way to do that ?
[22:27] <Ichat> sorry bbl
[22:27] <zaxonspox> violinappren, which codec page? i checked ffmpeg -formats
[22:27] <fajar> hai
[22:27] <cts> Ichat: Sounds reasonable.  How did you find out so quick? :)
[22:27] <violinappren> zaxonspox: you need to install additional ones, read the link i gave you
[22:29] <zaxonspox> violinappren, link? can i pls the link again?
[22:29] <violinappren> !codec > zaxonspox
[22:30] <zaxonspox> violinappren, ok thx
[22:30] <erUSUL> zigovr: dd has seek
[22:30] <infogulch> hi. i'm trying to install ubuntu but it's not recognizing my hdds
[22:30] <NCS_One> hi
[22:31] <erUSUL> zigovr: man dd
[22:31] <R3cur51v3> After establishing an Ad-Hoc network per https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Adhoc, will Windows clients see it as a Wi-Fi access point?
[22:31] <erUSUL> R3cur51v3: no; they will see it as an ad-hoc network
[22:31] <violinappren> R3cur51v3: why don't you try it?
[22:32] <erUSUL> R3cur51v3: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/creating-an-adhoc-host-with-ubuntu.html
[22:32] <zigovr> erUSUL, but that is for the output
[22:32] <zigovr> I want to seek in the input
[22:32] <R3cur51v3> violinappren, I will have like 15 minutes between the time when I have the computers and the time when I need the network set-up and working. I need to get the logistics worked out in advance.
[22:32] <NCS_One> I did an update to 10.04, where can I get the old background images ?
[22:33] <erUSUL> zigovr: that's skip
[22:33] <violinappren> R3cur51v3: if you need the windows machines to see a wireless point , you can use hostapd
[22:34] <R3cur51v3> As long as modern Windows clients can connect to the network I've created, it doesn't matter what type it is.
[22:34] <sarthor> sweetpi, http://pastebin.com/6szejhnH , I tried to find about fingerprint, but i am unable to find, the result of dmsg is in the link, if you care to check.
[22:34] <R3cur51v3> Once an ad-hoc network is established and all the clients are connected, each will be assigned an IP address and I can use exactly as I would any other private network, correct?
[22:34] <erUSUL> R3cur51v3: see the link i gave you. there is a how to connect a win machine to adhoc ubuntu wifi
[22:34] <R3cur51v3> s/use exactly/use it exactly/
[22:35] <R3cur51v3> ok
[22:35] <marco__mk> hello there! Is there a way to revert a package installation (after upgrading)?
[22:36] <chrissharp123> marco__mk: depends on what it is
[22:37] <sarthor> sweetpi, i think my fingerprint sensor is not turned on, but i do not know how to turn that on.
[22:37] <chrissharp123> marco__mk: and "revert" - not literally - you may be able to install a previous version
[22:37] <sweetpi> sarthor: hmm.. i thought you said the device was detected? i dont see anything about it
[22:38] <marco__mk> chrissharp123, thank you for your answer :) but *how* can I install a previous version?
[22:38] <sarthor> sweetpi, i did not said detected on linux. i said detected and worked on win. i said to confirm you that device is OK.
[22:38] <thune3> zigovr: maybe look at ddrescue, it seems to allow easy option for start offset.
[22:39] <chrissharp123> marco__mk: which package is it?  If it's something system-critical, it may not work.
[22:39] <hiexpo> marco__mk,  only way is a fresh install
[22:39] <VCoolio> marco__mk: to install a specific version try something like apt-get install foobar=2.25.91-0ubuntu1
[22:40] <hiexpo> wait are you looking to backup on os or just a package?
[22:40] <Stameni> join #pythob
[22:40] <marco__mk> chrissharp123, I'm writing a script for ubuntu, it's not a "single" package... I didn't know how to revert a package ;)
[22:40] <sweetpi> sarthor: i see. well if you can figure out what exact device it is, maybe someone can help. but its not being detected so either its not supported or needs a driver other than what we have tried
[22:41] <chrissharp123> marco__mk: ah... well, not really then.  The versions of packages for a particular release are usually not interchangeable with older releases' packages
[22:41] <chrissharp123> marco__mk: you can always have your script install something from source, though
[22:41] <zigovr> thune3, thanks for the tip
[22:42] <chrissharp123> marco__mk: (depending on what it is, of course)
[22:42] <nashkil> hi every one
[22:42] <marco__mk> hmm...thank you for your answer
[22:42] <Ex-Opesa> Hi
[22:42] <marco__mk> so unluckily it doesn't exist an apt-get revert option :P... ok ok :P
[22:42] <sarthor> Thank you sweetpi, but how can i figure out that what exact device this machine is using for fingerpirnt sensor? I know the only way to format and reinstall win7, and then check. but i can not afford to reinstall.
[22:42] <infogulch> ubuntu isn't recognizing my sata controller. how can i see hardware?
[22:43] <nashkil> who can help me to solve a freeze problem in my lenovo laptop with Lucid?
[22:43] <violinappren> !help | nashkil
[22:43] <sizzlefire> If I get too many programs running on my ubuntu install the graphics crash, this didn't happen until I upgraded to 10.04. Does anyone have any idea why that might be happening now?
[22:44] <tensorpudding> What's the go-to place for getting suspend/hibernate to actually *work*?
[22:44] <thune3> infogulch: is this an add on sata controller, or built in to motherboard?
[22:44] <infogulch> thune3: it's on the motherboard
[22:45] <violinappren> tensorpudding: google!
[22:45] <thune3> infogulch: one possibility is that you have sata disabled in bios. there could be others.
[22:45] <erUSUL> infogulch: make sure is put in ahci mode on the bios ( if possible ) linux works better with ahci
[22:45] <tensorpudding> I was hoping there was a Launchpad place that actually collated the information
[22:45] <nashkil> Heyy <sizzlefire> my latpop goes freeze every 30 or 45 minutes
[22:45] <nashkil> with hard work
[22:46] <infogulch> erUSUL: ok i'll try it. thune3: well it has to be enabled because i've been running windows on it xD
[22:46] <violinappren> nashkil: type lspci in a terminal and paste it to a pastebin
[22:46] <nashkil> sotty is my first time here, where is pastebin
[22:47] <violinappren> !pastebin  | nashkil
[22:47] <nashkil> thanks
[22:47] <sweetpi> sarthor: not sure, you could go through dmesg in detail and look for unknown devices or errors
[22:47] <maverick> ку
[22:47] <new_to_linux> Hello, I suspect my windows partition is being attacked while I am looged onto linux(most of the time) is there any measures I can take to stop this
[22:48] <sarthor> sweetpi, Ok. right now i am begging ;) in Chan hardware
[22:48] <R3cur51v3> erUSUL, once I set up ad-hoc per http://www.ubuntugeek.com/creating-an-adhoc-host-with-ubuntu.html, I should have to do no additional configuration to get VLC video streaming working, correct?
[22:48] <violinappren> new_to_linux: what makes you suspect it's "getting attacked"?
[22:48] <vindu> &close
[22:48] <sweetpi> sarthor: you should be able to search your laptop model and get the device model though
[22:48] <infogulch> new_to_linux: dismount the volume?
[22:48] <nashkil> violinappren: this is the link
[22:48] <new_to_linux> My anti vius software on my windows partition was uninstalled
[22:48] <sarthor> sweetpi, Hm. let me check there, via service tag number
[22:49] <erUSUL> R3cur51v3: dunno how vlc streaming works... but maybe a firewall is on the way ?
[22:49] <nashkil> violinappren: http://paste.ubuntu.com/465192/
[22:49] <R3cur51v3> erUSUL, yeah, I can just do ufw disable if necessary
[22:49] <nashkil>  violinappren: the lspci of my laptop lenovo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/465192/
[22:50] <R3cur51v3> Windows firewall disabling should go similarly
[22:50] <Jojojojojo> hey guys, i had a quick question about which programming language to use for writing a program that does warehouse inventory storage
[22:50] <violinappren> nashkil: when did it start happening? and is there any issues with your hard disk (bad sectors, bad media, etc)
[22:51] <sarthor> 2847a32
[22:51] <Phun5tar> Does anyone else use Matrix Rain, or any other screensaver that uses a webcam?
[22:51] <nashkil> violinappren: in hardy works ok, it's start with every upgrade since hardy to Lucid
[22:51] <new_to_linux> inforgulch: it is convenient for me to be able to access the files on my windows partition while on linux
[22:52] <nashkil> all with clean installs
[22:52] <Jojojojojo> should i use C++ or Java for a program that stores warehouse inventory records and basic math calculations
[22:52] <new_to_linux> infogulch:it is convenient for me to be able to access the files on my windows partition while on linux
[22:52] <AlbertoP> Jojojojojo: whatever fits your needs.
[22:52] <iseepackets> can th ecube be ran on vm ware no right?
[22:53] <nashkil> violinappren: the syslog say nathing aboutit
[22:53] <violinappren> nashkil: it could be the broadcom driver
[22:54] <new_to_linux> Should I add some sort of firewall?
[22:54] <nashkil> violinappren:  so?, what do you thing?, I can try using a USB wireless linksys to test if you are right
[22:54] <tensorpudding> Okay, I tried hibernating and resuming again, and it turns out it works.
[22:55] <spiky> new_to_linux: that means that they have to get acsess to your linux 1st
[22:55] <tensorpudding> I just didn't expect resuming to take four minutes
[22:55] <nashkil> violinappren: any other suggestion?
[22:55] <violinappren> nashkil: or the intel display driver ...
[22:56] <violinappren> nashkil: http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-help-here/hardware/414164-compiz-fusion-x11-freeze-issue.html
[22:56] <new_to_linux> spiky: Would that be difficult?
[22:56] <violinappren> nashkil: can you try turning off compiz?
[22:56] <chrissharp123> new_to_linux: is your assumption that someone is accessing your computer?
[22:57] <BluesKaj> !firewall | new_to_linux
[22:57] <Phun5tar> I've got a webcam-screensaver issue since I've upgraded my Linux kernel
[22:57] <spiky> new_to_linux: unless you have opened ports to internet then it is difficult
[22:58] <new_to_linux> chrissharp123:Yes, my anti virus was unistalled in my windows partition
[22:58] <NCS_One> how can I change the window buttons from left to right ?
[22:58] <xangua> !buttons | NCS_One
[22:58] <sarthor> sweetpi, this is my fingerprint part number 60Y4134
[22:58] <xangua> mmm that's not the fact
[22:58] <Dr_Willis> !controls | NCS_One
[22:58] <chrissharp123> new_to_linux: there are ways to tell if someone has gotten access
[22:59] <nashkil> violinappren: i think i'm not using it, in visual effect I have checked the "None Effect" radio
[22:59] <X_o> hello
[22:59] <chrissharp123> new_to_linux: assuming you're in lucid, open System -> Administration -> Log File Viewer, and look at "auth.log"
[23:00] <violinappren> nashkil: ok then, try the alternative wireless chipest and see  how it goes
[23:00] <chrissharp123> new_to_linux: you will see login attempts (including your own)
[23:00] <nashkil> violinappren: is there another way to disable compiz?
[23:01] <erUSUL> nashkil: alt + f2 --> run « metacity --replace » ?
[23:01] <violinappren> nashkil: hmm your broadcom chipest is actually for wired not wireless
[23:01] <crankharder> what's a good video editing suite I Can install for a friend's first ubuntu experience?
[23:02] <violinappren> nashkil: https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=GM965+freeze
[23:02] <nashkil> violinappren: my wired network?, ohh, I'm noy using it
[23:02] <Dr_Willis> video editing programs are not that 'great' under linux yet.   I cant even recall the names of the ones ive tried.
[23:02] <Dr_Willis> !info kino
[23:03] <sarthor> sweetpi, i think it is Palm rest assembly FRU 60Y4134
[23:03] <crankharder> something's better than nothing
[23:03] <nashkil> violinappren: Thanks!!!, i will try your suggestions,
[23:03] <nashkil> thank you too erUSUL
[23:03] <chrissharp123> crankharder: pitivi is included by default in lucid - I haven't really used it, so I can't vouch for it :-)
[23:03] <NCS_One> Dr_Willis: thanks
[23:04] <violinappren> nashkil: are you running opengl screensavers or any other opengl applications?
[23:04] <new_to_linux> chrissharp123:I see a lot og pam_unix, but I suspect that is not malicious,
[23:04] <vvesley> o/
 I see a lot of pam_unix but I suspect that is not mallcious
[23:05] <nashkil> violinappren: I'm not sure, i will google the way to know it
[23:05] <violinappren> nashkil: seems mostly likely it's the intel display driver
[23:05] <chrissharp123> crankharder: cinelerra is (or at least used to be) a high-quality video editor also
[23:05] <chrissharp123> new_to_linux: it seems to me that there is probably another explanation for the Windows AV issue...
[23:06] <sweetpi> sarthor: unsupported hardware is out of my realm of knowledge, sorry. maybe try ##linux
[23:06] <chrissharp123> new_to_linux: the pam_unix lines are the authentication program working as expected
[23:08] <X_o> vsftpd
[23:08] <X_o> 500 OOPS: could not bind listening IPv4 socket
[23:08] <X_o> vsftpd how to can fix that problem?
[23:08] <phawx> ive got 35 folders,  each wit ha rar archive in it, how can i move all of the rar files to one folder,  without going in and munually moving them?
[23:08] <infoG-nli> should my sata mode be ahci?
[23:08] <new_to_linux> chrissharp123: thanks , they may be another issue, I am quite used to security issues in windows and have only recently moved to linux
[23:09] <violinappren> phawx: mv */*.rar  /somethingelse
[23:10] <phawx> violinappren, /somethingelse - is that the directory to move em too?
[23:10] <erUSUL> phawx: with find or in bash 4 « mv -t /path/to/target/ **/*.rar »
[23:10] <violinappren> phawx: yes
[23:10] <soreau> phawx: yes
[23:13] <NCS_One> on 9.10 when I putted the mouse over the icons next to the clock it used to show a ballon with info, now on 10.04 eg rhythmbox doesnt show it. Is this normal ?
[23:13] <nashkil> violinappren: sorry, for the pause, but my laptop frozes again
[23:14] <violinappren> nashkil: there's a large thread at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1478787
[23:14] <nashkil> violinappren: do you know how to disable opengl
[23:14] <violinappren> nashkil: trying booting with acpi=off in your grub boot line
[23:14] <NCS_One> Transmission also showed some nice info but now no ballon
[23:14] <X_o> vsftpd 500 OOPS: could not bind listening IPv4 socket
[23:15] <X_o> how i can fix it ?
[23:15] <nashkil>  violinappren: i did it, but i lost the battery status
[23:15] <chrissharp123> new_to_linux: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Antivirus - this might be useful reading for you
[23:15] <tanin> can i host threw my cloud?
[23:15] <violinappren> nashkil: metacity --replace
[23:16] <violinappren> X_o: sudo netstat -tulpn
[23:16] <trickx51> hello...i want to know if anyone could give me a link to make a custom ISO of ubuntu, with different apps installed?? thanks
[23:16] <llutz> !remaster
[23:16] <violinappren> X_o:  that will show you what programs are listening on what ports
[23:16] <virtualroot> http://bit.ly/byrND4
[23:17] <nashkil> violinappren: ok, I will try thant, i have enough info, I'will try it, thanks so much
[23:17] <llutz> trickx51: see ubottu above^^
[23:17] <erUSUL> !remaster | trickx51
[23:17] <erUSUL> ouch
[23:17] <violinappren> nashkil: you're welcome, hopefully something works for you
[23:17] <trickx51> i tried remaster but it wouldn't install...said the package was broken
[23:19] <trickx51> llutz: im new to ubuntu and linux...is what ubottu posted  pretty self explanatory?
[23:20] <llutz> trickx51: go read those links yourself, i haven't read it so i cannot tell you. sry
[23:20] <urlwallace> trickx51 ubuntu forums is very informative also
[23:21] <trickx51> ok thanks for your help...have a good day!!
[23:21] <mzaman_>
[23:25] <xomp> is there a switch I can use with "top" to see what CPU % one of my cores is at? I set a processes affinity via taskset and would like to see what the % of usage is for that core.
[23:25] <xomp> the way I understand it, "top" in itself displays percentage across the cores as a whole
[23:25] <violinappren> xomp: try htop
[23:25] <_jesse_> xomp: htop gives am ore detailed view
[23:25] <_jesse_> and it's in technicolor!
[23:26] <xomp> thanks, is that a package or something? (I currently don't have that according to the console)
[23:26] <_jesse_> yeah it's a package
[23:26] <xomp> ah thanks!
[23:26] <erUSUL> xomp: press 1
[23:26] <xomp> I really like this!
[23:26] <xomp> erUSUL, it's headless :P
[23:27] <erUSUL> xomp: what is headless ?
[23:27] <violinappren> f2 for more awesomeness
[23:27] <AlbertoP> hello, where can I find the source code of the restricted driver manager?
[23:27] <violinappren> AlbertoP: apt-get source
[23:27] <xomp> erUSUL, SSH only, no DE
[23:27] <AlbertoP> violinappren: any link to a project or repo?
[23:27] <erUSUL> xomp: and? you can not press number "1" to get top to show cpu % per core ?
[23:28] <violinappren> AlbertoP: apt-cache info usually has a url
[23:28] <AlbertoP> thanks
[23:28] <xomp> erUSUL, sorry, I thought you were going to have me go through a GUI of some sort (which is often the case here) heh
[23:29] <erUSUL> xomp: « is there a switch I can use with "top" to see what CPU % one of my cores is at? » yes there is; press 1. that's what i meant
[23:30] <xomp> erUSUL cheers :)
[23:30] <NCS_One> on 9.10 when I putted the mouse over the icons next to the clock it used to show a ballon with info, now on 10.04 eg rhythmbox doesnt show it. Is this normal ?
[23:30] <NCS_One> Transmission also showed some nice info but now no ballon
[23:31] <ChogyDan> NCS_One: yes, normal and controversial.  Tooltips have been disabled for the notification area
[23:32] <zr0> i installed an intel 3945 mini pci-e card into my laptop and i'm still having my wireless go in and out
[23:32] <crankharder> i'm getting what seems like really poor video/desktop performance (intel corp 82865G integrated graphics) -- is there anything I can do about this?
[23:32] <zr0> what can i do to track down the causes of this?
[23:33] <NCS_One> ChogyDan: oh, pity. Thanks
[23:33] <zr0> btw, when i do iwconfig, nothing stands out.. my link quality is like 50/70 minimum
[23:34] <masterslakk> is there any programs in ubuntu that are like dreamweaver?
[23:34] <duffydack> devslash,  try #vbox now they are 'alive'
[23:34] <trickx51> is there a way to customize an ISO of Ubuntu from windows?
[23:34] <masterslakk> open software that is used to create, maintain, & outfit website/pages
[23:34] <bastidrazor> zr0: possibly look in /var/log/daemon.log for hints
[23:35] <duffydack> trickx51, remastersys
[23:35] <masterslakk> trickx51, i think there is a site that you can customize your own iso
[23:35] <duffydack> trickx51, sorry, read it wrong
[23:35] <masterslakk> any programs like dreamweaver in ubuntu that is free???
[23:35] <ChogyDan> !remaster | trickx51
[23:35] <BiggFREE> http://www.opensuse.org
[23:36] <ChogyDan> !html | masterslakk  maybe
[23:36] <duffydack> trickx51, from windows, I dont know.
[23:36] <trickx51> im running on ubuntu from a USB, if i removed some apps would it free up space on the usb?
[23:37] <duffydack> trickx51, you could try using portable ubuntu in windows and installing remastersys in itm and then make your iso...it might just work, never know
[23:37] <duffydack> trickx51, no
[23:37] <masterslakk> trickx51, yes it owuld
[23:37] <DasEi> trickx51: depends on how you installed
[23:37] <masterslakk> trickx51, nvm it wouldn't
[23:38] <DasEi> trickx51: live or persistent install ?
[23:38] <trickx51> live
[23:38] <DasEi> trickx51: no, then
[23:38] <duffydack> master_of_master, trickx51 depends how you installed.  we assume you are liveusb
[23:38] <zr0> bastidrazor: thanks
[23:38] <duckx0r> i have a quick question about evolution. If I have a local maildir store and use "maildir-format mail directories" as the server type in evolution, will it then try to download all of the messages from the maildir and store them in its own proprietary format (like kmail does), or will it leave them where they are and access them from the actual Maildir directory?
[23:38] <BiggFREE> I did a mistake.  Sorry :(
[23:39] <Smirnov> is there supposed to be a mirror list of ports.ubuntu.com somewhere
[23:39] <trickx51> it's telling me I don't have enough room to install what i need in order to make a custom iso...is there a way to use either the computer's drive space or a different USB stick to install it??
[23:40] <DasEi> trickx51: what's the size of the usb ?
[23:41] <trickx51> 4 gig...
[23:41] <duffydack> trickx51, install it properly.  even a wubi would do. (I hate wubi)
[23:41] <trickx51> what's wubi?
[23:41] <DasEi> trickx51: that should be enough, and from your aelier questions I assume you want a custom  install, so..
[23:41] <Name141> Hello, my old computer doesn't seem to be able to get online.  I even tried rmmod tulip , modprobe tulip.  This happened after I updated a few days ago and restarted.
[23:42] <ChogyDan> trickx51: I thought ubuntu only takes up 1g of space..
[23:42] <bastidrazor> are there repository issues going on? i'm having some weird issues
[23:42] <DasEi> trickx51: *earlier ;;  .. so format it to fat 32, and then use pendrivelinux to get this done
[23:42] <Name141> Is there something I can try to get the Microsoft NIC working properly again ?
[23:42] <ddilinger> Hi, currently when i plug my android phone i have to check dmesg and see what device it connected to (sdg or some such) and then issue `sudo mount /dev/sdg1 /media/android`  How might i automate this process so ubuntu recognizes my phone and automagically mounts it to /media/android?  Note that i'm looking for CLI instructions, i dont have the gnome shell or any of that
[23:43] <duckx0r> trickx51, ubuntu takes about 2.4 gigs on a USB drive. If you need more space than that, you can install a live cd and make it remember the changes, which will bring it down to 700 megs
[23:43] <DasEi> bastidrazor: mine are fine, details ?
[23:43] <duffydack> trickx51, for remastersys to work you need your usb drive with ubuntu live whatever, plus you need space for an iso of you custom install....
[23:44] <trickx51> ?? I used a 4 gig USB and unetbootin to install  ubuntu
[23:44] <duffydack> trickx51, so if you are running it all from a usb, forget it.  just install it and do the rest
[23:44] <bastidrazor> DasEi: Something wicked happened resolving 'ubuntu.mirrors.tds.net:http' (-5 - No address associated with hostname)
[23:44] <DasEi> trickx51: I guess you try unetbootin and made too much store space (max), so now your system-parti is filled (~800meg), df -h tells you
[23:44] <bastidrazor> DasEi: and that is the actual message.. somethign wicked.. :P
[23:45] <Name141> ifconfig is only showing localhost as the inet addr
[23:46] <duffydack> trickx51, install it with wubi or a real install, then install remastersys then you can make a custom iso
[23:46] <trickx51> what is wubi?
[23:46] <trickx51> is there a wiki?
[23:46] <duffydack> !wubi | trickx51
[23:47] <trickx51> Ahhh.....i see said the blind girl?
[23:47] <duffydack> trickx51, you could just use virtualbox also
[23:47] <ningchi18> wubi is better
[23:47] <trickx51> duffydack: virtualbox is like wubi i take it?
[23:47] <duffydack> trickx51, install it in a vbox, customise it, make the iso with remastersys and copy the iso to your host and burn
[23:48] <duffydack> trickx51, uh, no its a virtual machine.
[23:48] <ningchi18> yes
[23:48] <bastidrazor> DasEi: i'm getting this on more than one box on my LAN, different mirrors do not help.
[23:48] <trickx51> DD: install ubuntu in vbox from windows...?
[23:49] <Phantomas> Hello! Is ht disabled by default on lucid?
[23:49] <Phantomas> (hyper threading)
[23:49] <trickx51> ningchi18: why is wubi better?
[23:49] <Name141> I do rmmod tulip, and modprobe tulip and dmesg comes up with " eth0: AMDtek Comet rev 17 at Port 0x1000" blah blah.. "IRQ 10"
[23:49] <Name141> but still no connection
[23:49] <DasEi> Phantomas: no
[23:49] <duffydack> trickx51, it would be easier on you...
[23:49] <trickx51> oh...i like easy....
[23:49] <Oer> wubi is for test purpose, not for production
[23:49] <duffydack> trickx51, IF  all you are wanting to do is make a custom iso, then ues
[23:49] <duffydack> yes*
[23:50] <trickx51> ah....
[23:50] <duffydack> trickx51, using vbox you`d install it without actually installing it, to make the iso
[23:50] <DasEi> bastidrazor: just for one address or the whole sources.list ?
[23:51] <bastidrazor> DasEi: just one.
[23:51] <Phantomas> DasEi: sure? Because I have ht in my flags in /proc/cpuinfo but the logical processors remain 2 in a dual core cpu
[23:51] <duffydack> trickx51, which you would use later to install on a real machine.
[23:52] <ChogyDan> Phantomas: not all intel cpus have ht.  I thought mine would, core2duo, but I was wrong
[23:52] <trickx51> duffydack, I just want to make sure I have this right...from windows..install virtualbox, then use virtualbox to *install* ubuntu, then use remastersys to create an iso of the customized ubuntu to install to a USB?
[23:53] <DasEi> Phantomas: sure not disabled by default, look at htop, also cat /proc/cpuinfo should show two cores, though saying nothing about ht
[23:53] <hqb> Are you chinese
[23:53] <trickx51> duffydack, and remastersys is an app installed in the *install* of unbuntu in virtualbox...right?
[23:53] <Barridus> i can't seem to get into my windows shares that exist on my HTPC anymore, yet i can from a windows box.
[23:53] <duffydack> trickx51, install vbox in windows.  install ubuntu as a guest.   install remastersys in the guest.  use it to make an iso of your guest install.  copy the iso to your host.  burn
[23:54] <trickx51> ok...I think i got it...now...sorry for being a nincompoop...
[23:54] <Phantomas> DasEi: That's the problem. cpuinfo shows two cores *and* has ht in the flags section
[23:55] <Phantomas> it's for sure a dual core processor (amd 64 x2 6000+)
[23:55] <ashken> wsup guys
[23:55] <duffydack> trickx51,  http://sourceforge.net/projects/remastersys/files/
[23:55] <trickx51> thank you so much duffydack and everyone else for all your help = p
[23:55] <tanin> hey
[23:55] <Daekdroom> Phantomas, a AMD64 Athlon X2 6000+ should show only 2 cores when you use cpuinfo
[23:55] <DasEi> Phantomas: so waht concerns you about it being disabled ?
[23:55] <ashken> anybody here running zeitgeist sezen?
[23:56] <duffydack> trickx51, enable shared folders to copy the iso to your host.. and install guest additions
[23:56] <Phantomas> if it's a dual core cpu and has ht it should display 4 logical processors, no?
[23:56] <zr0> it looks like when my wireless goes out, the line i get in /var/log/daemon.log is 'NetworkManager: <info> (wlan1): device state change: 8->2 (reason 0)'
[23:56] <Phantomas> 2 threads for each core
[23:56] <Daekdroom> Phantomas, what happens is that no AMD processor has HT
[23:57] <duffydack> Phantomas, my i7 has 8 so yes
[23:57] <DasEi> Phantomas: these are merely the found specs of your cpu, a thing like htop will show if both cores share work
[23:57] <zr0> followed by: 'NetworkManager: <info> (wlan1): deactivating device (reason 0)'
[23:57] <Phantomas> Daekdroom: and what is the purpose of ht flag in /proc/cpuinfo?
[23:57] <trickx51> duffydack: thanks again...
[23:57] <Daekdroom> Phantomas, no clue.
[23:58] <hqb> what do you said?
[23:59] <obst|Brot> hello
[23:59] <sevenseeker> can someone point me in the right direction?  My integrated 10.04 chat now does not let me set status, but my googling is revealing nothing but noise... any tips on an AUTHORITATIVE and current answer?  I really don't have the multiple hours to filter through inaccurate blogs and such (so please no RTFM responses)
[23:59] <obst|Brot> how can i install ubuntu on my netbook (without dvd drive)
[23:59] <erUSUL> !unetbootin


[11:25] <toulouse> can i just put an iso on my thumbdrive and change the bios to boot off of usb?
[11:25] <toulouse> will that boot off of thumbdrive
[11:25] <stefg> linux_user400354: got you. firefox itself has a facility, and i know kwalletmanager for this.... but i'm not sure if gnome-keyring is doing allthat, or if its gpg-centric
[11:25] <Jordan_U> toulouse: No, but there are instructions for installing from a pen drive
[11:25] <||cw> Schenker: and you might have to make your own initrd, I don't think the default one supports usb, that's not too hard to do from a rescue boot though though
[11:25] <Jordan_U> !install | toulouse
[11:25] <ubotu> toulouse: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[11:25] <camerong> jordan_u: see the very beginning of this post where i first asked for help on the error here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1986182#post1986182
[11:26] <Schenker> ok, thanks for the help
[11:26] <toulouse> ok, it's no biggie, i think i'll just stick with the cd-rw ive been using to try different distro's
[11:26] <camerong> jordan_u: it is the "AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0" thing
[11:26] <toulouse> thanks guyus
[11:26] <makuseru> ubuntu is suspose to be from africa correct?
[11:26] <linux_user400354> if i use firefox, and i forget to lock my computer when leaving to use the restroom, someone could come and use my passwords. it has happened before.
[11:26] <house> un_operateur: apt-cache policy xorg    xorg: Installed: 1:7.1.1ubuntu6.2   Candidate: 1:7.1.1ubuntu6.2  Versions Table:  *** 1:7.1.1ubuntu6.2 0          500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com edgy-updates/main Packages         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status      1:7.1.1ubuntu6 0         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com edgy/main Packages
[11:26] <||cw> makuseru: the word is
[11:26] <cafuego_> makuseru: it's an african word, yes
[11:26] <un_operateur> makuseru, south africa to be precise
[11:27] <mc44> makuseru: the word is from Zulu
[11:27] <makuseru> bu ubuntu was developed on the Isle of Man?
[11:27] <mc44> makuseru: no
[11:27] <stefg> linux_user400354: why not just lock the screen?
[11:27] <makuseru> distro watch says it is
[11:27] <alek66> i cant get my laptop to my palms trusted bluetooth devices, i tried mostly everything with the pins
[11:27] <un_operateur> house, you might need to manually download an install the version you need from http://packages.ubuntu.com
[11:27] <||cw> ubuntu was develeoped in many places all over the globe
[11:27] <linux_user400354> stefg: i try but once in a while i will forget to.
[11:27] <stefg> linux_user400354: scratch... you said /in case i forgot/
[11:27] <||cw> being based on debian...
[11:27] <mc44> makuseru: the headquaters are located in the Ilse of Man, for tax purposes I suppose, the developers are global
[11:28] <kohr_>  in gparted, ntfs if greyed out
[11:28] <jaice> does ubuntu have a central control center/panel?
[11:28] <Doow> Anyone know a good nes emulator for ubuntu? (I've tried nestra and fceu)
[11:28] <un_operateur> jaice, yes gnome-control-panel
[11:28] <stefg> linux_user400354: rather setup a reasonable autolck time
[11:28] <linux_user400354> stefg: the program i am talking about requires a master password everytime it is run, so someone would have to know the master password and i would be safer that way
[11:28] <||cw> jaice: just gnome or kde's I think
[11:28] <Jordan_U> jaice: Yes, gnome-controll-center
[11:28] <Enverex> Doow, ZSNES/Snes9X
[11:29] <camerong> jordan_u: should i repost my message again?
[11:29] <jaice> :-/
[11:29] <house> un_operateur, i found the correct packages on backports.. what command should i use to downgrade? will apt-get install allow me to downgrade?
[11:29] <alek66> no one? bluetooth help here
[11:29] <Jordan_U> camerong: No, I got it
[11:29] <stefg> linux_user400354: i understand your problem, but have no solution at hand now
[11:29] <Intangir> hey guys
[11:29] <Intangir> i just got beryl
[11:29] <un_operateur> house, unfortunately no, you'd have to force install at the version you requre
[11:29] <Doow> Enverex: they do nes too?
[11:29] <Intangir> on a newly upgraded edgy system
[11:30] <Intangir> when i try to start it it says: beryl: No RandR extension
[11:30] <un_operateur> house, if you have the .deb -- you use -  dpkg -i /path/to/file.deb
[11:30] <Jordan_U> camerong: Is Ubuntu installed or are you still on the live CD?
[11:30] <house> un_operateur, thanks a lot! that was what i was looking for
[11:30] <NET||abuse> !locale
[11:30] <ys76> get yourself?
[11:30] <ubotu> To set up and configure your locales, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LocaleConf
[11:31] <camerong> it is installed in a partition on my harddrive via alternative cd 6.10 (this is why its hard for me to just give up.. becuase i cut my HD in half basically for this)
[11:31] <NET||abuse> i've read this and the pacakges it mentions aren't anywhere in the default deb repos
[11:31] <camerong> jordan_d: ^^
[11:31] <NET||abuse> anyone know what's the deal with this?
[11:31] <un_operateur> Intangir, errm, you might need !libxrandr2 and !libxrandr-dev
[11:31] <un_operateur> !locales
[11:31] <ubotu> To set up and configure your locales, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LocaleConf
[11:31] <un_operateur> !info locales edgy
[11:31] <ubotu> locales: common files for locale support. In component main, is required. Version 2.3.22 (edgy), package size 2952 kB, installed size 7284 kB
[11:31] <kohr_>  in gparted, ntfs if greyed out, what do i do ?
[11:31] <Jordan_U> camerong: What video card do you have?
[11:32] <shon> how do I run a program in ubuntu 6.10
[11:32] <NET||abuse> un_operateur, so yeh, locales and localesconf aren't anywhere in the aptitude listings
[11:32] <KristianDK> shon -> ./filename
[11:32] <stefg> linux_user400354: you might find revelation useful
[11:32] <stefg> !revelation
[11:32] <ubotu> revelation: GNOME2 Password manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.7-2ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 337 kB, installed size 1200 kB
[11:32] <Jordan_U> shon: Alt+F2 to bring up a run dialog
[11:32] <camerong> jordan_u: i have a radeon x300 se 128MB hypermemory
[11:33] <NET||abuse> never mind, fixed, didn't have all the required debs enabled
[11:33] <un_operateur> NET||abuse, eh?  http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/base/locales
[11:33] <cntb> ubuntu woke up with only ipv6 not having ipv4 what is wrong
[11:33] <kupesoft> I know the default umask for new users is set in /etc/login.defs but when I add a new user, how do I make their home dir set to that umask?
[11:33] <Alarm> what error could this be on my dmesg : [17222343.892000]  loop0: rw=0, want=1808, limit=1204
[11:33] <Alarm> [17222343.892000]  attempt to access beyond end of device
[11:33] <house> shon, if it doesn't run just as ./filename, do sudo chmod +x ./filename first
[11:33] <ralyon> how can I get irq 11 to work on my satellite laptop in xubuntu edgy?
[11:33] <js_> is it not possible to install ubuntu on an md device using the installer?
[11:34] <stefg> js_ only with alternate, not with Desktop-CD
[11:34] <Jordan_U> camerong: Ok, I would try downloading the .debs for fglrx ( ati dirvers ) from Windows and putting them on a thumb drive to install from Ubuntu
[11:34] <kohr_> When I run  gparted, I can't format the drive to NTFS, why? The option is greyed out
[11:34] <cntb> pls .  ubuntu woke up with only ipv6 not having ipv4 what is wrong
[11:34] <NET||abuse> un_operateur, i dunno, it wasn't finding localeconf earlier, now it it,, i messed with debs
[11:34] <NET||abuse> anyway,, sorted, thanks for the pointeer :)
[11:34] <un_operateur> NET||abuse, i can't find anything about localesconf -- perhaps you meant locale-gen
[11:34] <camerong> jordan_u: thanks i will do that then
[11:34] <camerong> jordan_u: any idea where to get them
[11:34] <||cw> js_: what kind of md device do yuo have that's big enough to hold a default install?
[11:34] <killown> how I do to install alsa in my system?
[11:34] <camerong> jordan_u: and what are .debs exactly?
[11:35] <killown> I not found alsaconf
[11:35] <Jordan_U> camerong: packages.ubuntu.com I am not sure which you need exactly though
[11:35] <shon> jordan_L: Thank you
[11:35] <stefg> !sound | killown
[11:35] <ubotu> killown: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[11:35] <||cw> camerong: a software package, sort of like a .msi in windows, but more intelligent
[11:35] <js_> ||cw: a 40gb raid1 array
[11:35] <js_> stefg: damn, okay
[11:35] <camerong> jordan_u: alraight thanks... il give it a shot
[11:35] <killown> steelb, I can oss work fine but I want alsa
[11:36] <cntb>  ubuntu woke up with only ipv6 not having ipv4 what is wrong pls any idea
[11:36] <camerong> jordan_U: do u think another linux distro would be better?
[11:36] <||cw> js_: ah, I was thinking a memry device, got handhelds on the brain.  you need to use the text based installer
[11:36] <brodie_irc> !rules
[11:36] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[11:36] <Jordan_U> What packages, including dependencies, are required to install fglrx from a base ubuntu-desktop system?
[11:36] <stefg> js_: if you want to avoid a new download you cn install to a straight device and move that later
[11:36] <steel_lady> can somebody tell a stupid blond how to do java plugin for mozilla?
[11:37] <r0bby> steel_lady: what do you mean?
[11:37] <bung> could someone help me out, i wanted to know if there is a specific i686 version to install, and also if there are DVD releases with more stuff on them.. i only see 700mb files on the torrents page.
[11:37] <stefg> !java | steel_lady
[11:37] <ubotu> steel_lady: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[11:37] <un_operateur> Jordan_U, apt-cache show  fglrx-driver
[11:37] <steel_lady> I installed java but it doesn't work on some pages
[11:37] <stefg> steel_lady: please notice that i typed very,very slowly.... so that you can keep track :-)
[11:37] <Jordan_U> un_operateur: I already have it installed so I don't know what of it's dependencies are not available from a base system
[11:38] <un_operateur> Jordan_U, why do you worry?
[11:39] <js_> ||cw: i figured that, and the textbased is only included in the alternate cd?
[11:39] <steel_lady> what is multiverse? I don't have any idea about all this and I don't have ages to read forums!
[11:39] <stefg> !repos | steel_lady
[11:39] <ubotu> steel_lady: The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[11:39] <Jordan_U> un_operateur: I am trying to help camerong who needs to download the .debs from windows as he hasn't gotten wireless working yet, so he will need to download all of the other .debs fglrx depends on
[11:39] <||cw> js_: not sure, I haven't used a live cd since, well, I tried the first one once and that was enough for me :D
[11:40] <js_> ||cw: hehe, alright :p
[11:40] <||cw> personaly i don't see the point of it, If my plan is to install, why would a want a full gui env loaded off a slow ass cd rom
[11:40] <Moose> Does Ubuntu server come with a mail relay?
[11:41] <||cw> mooey: reconfig exim for smarthost
[11:41] <stefg> !install | js_
[11:41] <ubotu> js_: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[11:41] <un_operateur> Jordan_U, what is the exact name of the package containing the fglrx-driver
[11:41] <un_operateur> ?
[11:41] <Rprp>   Bam-bam BugServ ChanServ Duiv Eggdrop Global MemoServ NickServ OperServ Roconda Rprp Slaapen
[11:41] <Jordan_U> un_operateur: xorg-driver-fglrx
[11:41] <philluk86> does anyone know where i can ubuntu's policy on packaging pygtk apps?
[11:41] <||cw> Moose: reconfig exim for smarthost
[11:41] <NET||abuse> !locales
[11:41] <ys76> get yourself?
[11:41] <ubotu> To set up and configure your locales, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LocaleConf
[11:41] <steel_lady> the main reason why win users hate ubuntu is because when they look for help are sent to a bunch of instruction pages where they loose a couple of hours reading
[11:42] <Moose> ||cw: I'm a bit new to the whole linux thing, what exactly does that mean? :P
[11:42] <Moose> Or how would I go about doing that anyways...
[11:42] <stefg> philluk86: you might want to /j #ubuntu-motu
[11:42] <||cw> Moose: heh, dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
[11:42] <un_operateur> Jordan_U, if you know that -- then you can use this tool here to list the depends -- http://ljl.byethost14.com/apt   --  http://ljl.byethost14.com/apt?repo=Edgy&arch=x86&package=xorg-driver-fglrx&have=
[11:42] <Moose> ||cw: Thanks
[11:42] <||cw> Moose: er, sudo dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, of couse
[11:43] <||cw> Moose: that should ask you about all possible setup, should be able to choose what you need from there
[11:43] <Moose> Cool, thanks.
[11:43] <un_operateur> steel_lady, if a ubuntu user pays me the rate-of-pay for a windows consultant .. i'll work just how the user wants :)
[11:43] <juano__> !xubuntu
[11:43] <ubotu> xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels
[11:44] <Jordan_U> camerong: What version of Ubuntu are you using?
[11:44] <kazuka> How do I fix something like this: Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[11:44] <kohr_> stefg, i can't partition it with NTFS, it is greyed out
[11:44] <Moose> ||cw: It says the package is not installed...
[11:45] <||cw> Moose: hm, do you have postfix installed?
[11:45] <stefg> kohr_: give me a sudo fdisk -l output on !paste
[11:45] <Moose> ||cw: I don't know what that is, so I'm guessing no.
[11:45] <mcm832> hi all.
[11:45] <||cw> Moose: i wouldn't assume so much :)  search for it in synaptic
[11:46] <Moose> ||cw: All I've done is install Ubuntu with the LAMP setup and I installed SSH.
[11:46] <mcm832> does anyone know of a way to have a script run at gnome logout time
[11:46] <mcm832> perferably at the system level, not per user
[11:46] <Moose> ||cw: Synaptic is....
[11:46] <||cw> Moose: or with no gui, aptitude
[11:46] <kohr_> !paste
[11:46] <ubotu> paste is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste)
[11:47] <mcm832> in cde it would be /etc/dt/conf/sessionexit... does gnome have something simular?
[11:47] <Flosoft2> hey
[11:47] <mnoir> mcm832: systems do not logout.  please elaborate - what do you mean?
[11:47] <Flosoft2> I am trying to install Kubuntu 6.10 ... but it freezes at ACPI configuration
[11:47] <Flosoft2> it is a Core2Duo Laptop from Samsung
[11:47] <shon> does any one know of a place where I can get a list of the short cut keys for ubuntu 6.10
[11:47] <Moose> ||cw: Postfix is not under the installed packages list, or on the not-installed packages list...
[11:48] <stefg> Flosoft2: so acpi=off is what you need... see !boot
[11:48] <Flosoft2> !boot
[11:48] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[11:48] <Moose> ||cw: This is the server install of Ubuntu, just so you know.
[11:48] <mcm832> mnoir: I want to run a command when the user logs off of gnome.
[11:48] <||cw> Moose: been a while since I did one, seems like it should have SOME mta being a server...
[11:49] <||cw> Moose: k, well, what are you goals with the mail server?  just send out emails?
[11:49] <mnoir> mcm832: that would be at the user level - man bash and look for the explanation of .bash_logout
[11:49] <Moose> Send and receive.
[11:49] <mcm832> mnoir: All I can find googling is do run stuff after gnome-session in .xsession, but that is no good since my system does not need an .xsession per user and I want to do it for all users on the system
[11:49] <mcm832> .bash_logout is not run when in a gnome session
[11:49] <mcm832> just stuff like ssh'ing into a server
[11:50] <Flosoft2> stefg: The last two options are --
[11:50] <Grok_> synaptic shows firefox 1.5 as the latest version in the repositories. Is there another way to install 2.0 using a package manager?
[11:50] <mnoir> mcm832: but you want it to run when a user logsout.  that may take some research :)
[11:50] <Moose> ||cw: I'm trying to run one so I can have an email address like<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and check it using a windows based mail client
[11:50] <Flosoft2> so do I put simply noacpi behind that?
[11:50] <un_operateur> mcm832, but on a system-level you would need superuser access .. something the user does not have
[11:50] <mcm832> mnoir: Hense why I am here :)
[11:50] <kohr_> stefg, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1363/
[11:50] <mcm832> un_operateur: I am the sysadmin. I want something to be foreced when a user logsout
[11:50] <||cw> Moose: for a full blown mail server, I prefer postfix.  sudo apt-get install postfix
[11:51] <Moose> ||cw: Thanks again :)
[11:51] <mnoir> mcm832: that may be beyond the awareness of this group - whilst waiting here you may want to hit some more conventional support groups like for gnome
[11:51] <mnoir> dunno the group for gnome
[11:51] <un_operateur> mcm832, the point i am making is -- are you logged in root for your logout script to have a system-wide effect? :)
[11:51] <mcm832> mnoir: Figured it was worth a shot, thanks
[11:51] <mnoir> channel i mean
[11:51] <eXistenZ> How can I unzip all folders in some directory?
[11:51] <mnoir> mcm832: i am interested in the answer :)
[11:51] <eXistenZ> unzip *.zip didn't work
[11:52] <stefg> kohr_: there's no partition on that drive! (as the kernel thinks)... sata cntroller?
[11:52] <s34n> since the xserver-xorg update 2 days ago Ihave lost my Montor settings 3 times on 2 PC with 2 different distros
[11:52] <mcm832> un_operateur: Root can set files in etc that are sourced by user processes, hense having an effect on the user environment
[11:52] <Rprp> Hmm, i tried to install firefox 2.0, but if i start firefox i get the follow error: http://rafb.net/p/zOk67b64.html <--- Whats wrong?
[11:52] <||cw> Moose: you'll also need a pop3 and/or imap server, I prefer courier for this
[11:52] <kohr_> stefg, I havn't partitioned it yet, i am still in gparted
[11:52] <kohr_> stefg, It won't let me select ntfs
[11:52] <mnoir> mcm832: depending on what you actually need, you might look into the runlevel (6.06) or upstart(6.10) stuff
[11:53] <mcm832> mnoir: Unfortunatly I am actually doing this on solaris. I happen to like ubuntu and know the community to be knowladgeable and friendly
[11:53] <OiPenguin> I've tried instaling Ubuntu previously but had to give up because I couldn't get online. How so I find out whether my hardware is supported and what do I do if it isn't? I've got an obscure, cheap USB-wireless.
[11:53] <mnoir> mcm832: doesn't sound like that is exactly what you want tho
[11:53] <craigbass1976> can someone tell me what ails this command?  mount -t smbfs //<IP_ADDRESS>/Documnents/ /mnt
[11:53] <un_operateur> mcm832, errm, not a good idea to have world-writeable files in /etc -- but anyway -- /etc/gdm/PostSession/Default
[11:53] <craigbass1976> I get wrong fs type, bad option, blahblah
[11:54] <stefg> kohr_: of course... gPared can deal with *existing* ntfs partitions to some extend, but can't (of course) make an ntfs partition, 'cos that's no  linux fs
[11:54] <craig> I have a 64 bit chip, but do I really need the 64 bit version of ubuntu, or will it give me headaches like windows 64 does?
[11:54] <un_operateur> mcm832, IIRc you can make your own script and place it in   /etc/gdm/PostSession
[11:54] <||cw> craig: I'd stick with the 32 bit
[11:54] <Super_Pollos> Hello! Im finally using ubuntu although its on a live CD as i dont want to uninstall windows XP but it seems to have a very low screen res. can I change that? the max it allows me to select is 1024x768
[11:54] <Flosoft2> why isn't there a way to see the console output while boot with the splashscreen
[11:54] <kohr_> stefg, so do i make it in wondows, or make it a fat32 fs?
[11:54] <Flosoft2> I know SuSE has an option to press F2 to see the console
[11:54] <Flosoft2> very good for debugging
[11:54] <craig> ok, i'll stick with 32 bit then thanks man
[11:55] <stefg> kohr_: if you need ntfs, make it in win
[11:55] <RememberPOL> Would there be any reason why my laptop's LCD doesn't blank while the lid is closed? (i come back two hours later and my keyboard is super hot..)
[11:55] <kohr_> stefg, I will just do fat32
[11:55] <un_operateur> Flosoft2, there is -- IIRC, when booting, at the grub menu .. select the kernel you want to boot into .. press 'e' .. and clear the words 'splash' from the end
[11:55] <Moose> ||cw: Do you know of any guides on how to setup postfix?
[11:56] <Moose> ||cw: Outside of the default configuration that is, like to setup user accounts and such?
[11:56] <||cw> Moose: postfix has a good one, but for a single domain mail server the defaults tend to work very well
[11:56] <stefg> kohr_: whatever floats your boat... but this is not the drive you are going to install ubutu on is it?
[11:56] <||cw> Moose: it will use system users
[11:57] <sarcevic> hi
[11:57] <Moose> ||cw: How would I go about creating a system user with no permissions except for sending/receiving email?
[11:57] <||cw> Moose: if you want vhosts and virtual users, you'll need some additional packages
[11:57] <Super_Pollos> how do you change the resolution setting in ubuntu higher than the available 1024x768 an it onyl allows me select that option, i have a monitor capable of 1280x1024
[11:57] <kohr_> stefg, i already have ubuntu on a drive
[11:57] <||cw> Moose: set the login shell to /bin/false.  they will still need a home dir though
[11:57] <sarcevic> i've a problem, how can I stop the execution of an operation?
[11:58] <stefg> kohr_: huh?... according to your paste it's completly unused
[11:58] <un_operateur> sarcevic, errm, what kind of operation ?
[11:58] <toulouse> hey guys, i tried installing another linux, so when it prompted me to install GRub, i said no,  because when i boot into ubuntu it says "grup loading (blahblahblah)", but now i dont know how to get into that other os
[11:58] <sarcevic> i done apt-get install apache2 but it ask me to insert a cdrom
[11:58] <Moose> ||cw: So for users who I don't want to have any permissionms, set their login shell to /bin/false? or is that a system wide change?
[11:58] <sarcevic> i can't now
[11:58] <||cw> Moose: if you can't find any clear ubuntu+postfix howto's, the debian ones should work just as well
[11:58] <sarcevic> the server is not here!
[11:58] <||cw> Moose: per user
[11:58] <kohr_> stefg, on another drive
[11:59] <Super_Pollos> leave
[11:59] <un_operateur> sarcevic, CTRL+C
[11:59] <stefg> kohr_: this is not the drive you are going to install ubutu on is it?
[11:59] <||cw> sarcevic: ctrl-c
[11:59] <sarcevic> thanks a lot!
[11:59] <kohr_> stefg, no, it is not the drive i am going to install ubuntu on
[11:59] <un_operateur> sarcevic, sometimes CTRL+D or CTRL+Z work too
[11:59] <||cw> sarcevic: then edit the /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the cdrom line.  then apt-get update
[11:59] <Enverex> hmm, does anyone know if there are any repos for things like updated versions of what's in the official repos? (kinda annoying having to wait 4 months for program updates)
[11:59] <sarcevic> i'm so newbie (we call people like me "niubbo" in italy)
[11:59] <stefg> kohr_: so there's no mkfs.ntfs utility... ntfs can only be made in win
[12:00] <Moose> ||cw: Alright, and I need to make a home dir for each user, no matter if I want them to have access or not?
[12:00] <jmdc> I'm trying to set up network-manager, but it doesn't see any interfaces. Suggestions or pointers to documentation would be great
[12:00] <bradley> i have a super weird thing occurring! my music is not playing at the right speed.  i use rhythmbox and exaile.  what is happening!?
[12:00] <||cw> Moose: yes, for a place to store the email
[12:00] <bradley> (it is slowing down)
[12:00] <un_operateur> Enverex, if you want true bleeding edge, you should move to red-hat :) just kidding .. if you have the backports and security repos, you should be ok
[12:00] <kohr_> bradley are you speeding up instead?
[12:01] <Enverex> un_operateur, hrm, just wondering why things like OO2.1 aren't out then