[08:04] <andrew__> Hi im new here and wonder if you people could help me.
[08:05] <andrew__> I have ubuntu studio with the kx repos.Seems to work fine.If i use any of the audio software,but i have no audio from the internet or from a cd
[09:49] <glwilliams> has anyone thought that cinnamon/mint might be easier to work with as a base envoirnment?
[10:31] <glwstudio> understand that xfce was chosen for a reason,  is anyone thinking of a cinnamon or mate based version?
[13:15] <user941> salve a tutti
[13:16] <user941> ho una domanda urgentissima
[13:17] <Unit193> !it
[13:17] <user941> ok chiedo scusa


[00:51] <robert_ancell> darkxst, Does Ubuntu GNOME use libgoa or libaccounts for system accounts?
[01:09] <darkxst> robert_ancell, libgoa handles online accounts, but what do you mean by system accounts, thats acountsservice really isnt it?
[01:10] <robert_ancell> darkxst, libaccounts is the equivalent of libgoa - I was wondering if you used it at all or you only use libgoa.
[01:11] <robert_ancell> darkxst, I'm asking specifically because if we add the Ubuntu ratings support to gnome-software (require an Ubuntu One account to post reviews) if you already support Ubuntu One via libaccounts or it makes more sense to add it to GOA.
[01:12] <darkxst> we only use GOA, and I don't think it currently has Ubuntu One support
[01:16] <robert_ancell> darkxst, yeah, it doesn't. But this would be a good case to add it.
[01:21] <darkxst> yes it would
[01:21] <darkxst> especially considering how useless the upstream rating system is
[11:33] <LinDol> hi all
[11:53] <JockeTF> Hellopaca.
[12:11] <LinDol> Thank you :) How are you today? :)
[14:56] <bgardner> Good morning!  I've been trying without success to change the Gnome-shell Top Bar to ISO 8601 format (yyyy-mm-dd HH:MM).  Is this possible at all?
[15:01] <bgardner> Sorry, left out version.  I'm on Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS.
[16:44] <gQuigs> I don't believe any of these meta packages are used by Ubuntu Gnome (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-gnome3)
[16:45] <gQuigs> any reason not to just sync with debian on them and lose the Ubuntu delta
[20:16] <gQuigs> if anyone has any feedback I filled a sync request here - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-gnome3/+bug/1523657


[19:59] <ernest> is anyone talking anywhere on this channel?
[21:03] <ernest> exit
[22:20] <TenLeftFingers> Unity 8 locks up completely and I have to pull the plug on the machine. If I run ubuntu-bug unity8 will that target the best package at this early stage or is there way to debug better - given that no logging is likely to take place when the machine locks up?
[22:21] <TenLeftFingers> I'm on Intel graphics.


[00:00] <bdmurray> ogra_: its taking quite some time for beaglebone to start running snappy. Are the lights indicative of anything?
[00:01] <bdmurray> ssh'ing to the IP I get info about BeagleBone Debian Image
[00:19] <sergiusens> kyrofa, https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapcraft/+bug/1539817
[00:35] <sergiusens> pindonga, kyrofa  https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snapcraft/pull/285
[22:56] <r4space> Hi all - just trying to get into working on snappy.  I've found the remount approach to getting around the limited system write access, just wondering if that's the official advised approach for simple stuff like adding a new user (i get it that such actions wouldn't be normal for an IOT device just be nice for developing)?
[23:31] <noizer_> Hi the documentation on de developer site is that for snapcraft 2.0 or 1.0?


[15:23] <roaksoax> jtv:
[15:23] <roaksoax> jtv: ping
[15:24] <jtv> Hi roaksoax
[15:24] <roaksoax> jtv: howdy!! is the MAAS_CONFIG_DIR only for the provisioningserver?
[15:25] <jtv> No, it's meant for all of MAAS.
[15:25] <jtv> Got a use for it?  :)
[15:26] <roaksoax> jtv: well I think that's kind of non desired
[15:26] <roaksoax> jtv: each service/daemon should have its own variable to find its config
[15:28] <jtv> Note that this isn't what we talked about with custom templates.
[15:28] <jtv> It helps, but it's more of a first step.
[15:28] <roaksoax> jtv: yes I understand! However, I do still believe that each service should be able to find its config on its own
[15:29] <jtv> If we move something from the source tree to /etc, then that introduces the very basic problem of how to find the right one when we're running from branch.
[15:29] <roaksoax> jtv: if you implement thjis, this now means that you will have to deprecate celery_common
[15:29] <jtv> Why that?
[15:31] <roaksoax> jtv: no nevermind about that, but yo will have to make the MAAS_CONFIG_DIR a common variuable for the cluster and the region
[15:31] <roaksoax> jtv: it would have to work the same way it works with celerycommon_config.py
[15:32] <roaksoax> isn't that adding more complexity than required?
[15:32] <jtv> In normal test/demo usage where you run from a single branch, it would be a single variable yes.
[15:32] <roaksoax> jtv: yes, but MAAS in real world will not run in one single node, would it?
[15:32] <jtv> The celery config works slightly differently.    You run it from an installed package.
[15:33] <jtv> That's the case where you _don't_ have MAAS_CONFIG_DIR.
[15:33] <jtv> But when you're running tests or a demo, you _do_ want MAAS_CONFIG_DIR.
[15:34] <jtv> If you wanted to run a demo cluster and a demo region with different setups, on the same machine, you would either run them from separate branches, or override MAAS_CONFIG_DIR for one or the other, to point to a different config directory.
[15:34] <jtv> Not sure you'd want that, of course.
[15:35] <roaksoax> jtv: right, so what if you set MAAS_CONFIG_DIR in a system where you instlaled MAAS via package to use /user/share
[15:35] <roaksoax> jtv: then the code will pick that up
[15:35] <roaksoax> jtv: and use that as a config dir
[15:35] <roaksoax> right?
[15:36] <jtv> You could make it pick that up if you wanted to, I suppose, but would you want to?
[15:36] <jtv> If you install a MAAS package, you will simply not have a MAAS_CONFIG_DIR.  If you do set one, that allows you to run one or more of the MAAS processes from a different config.
[15:36] <roaksoax> jtv: ok
[15:37] <roaksoax> i guess what I'm trying to understand is if this is also meant to be used when we package this up
[15:37] <jtv> The main thing here is to provide a uniform way for MAAS code to ask, "where is /etc/maas?" — and get a branch-local version when running from a branch.
[15:37] <jtv> No, it's not meant to be used by a package.
[15:38] <roaksoax> jtv: right, but "/etc/maas" is a packaging convinience
[15:38] <roaksoax> is a safe default
[15:38] <jtv> Yes, that remains unchanged.
[15:38] <jtv> It's normally only when running from a branch, instead of from a packaged install, that you'll want MAAS_CONFIG_DIR.
[15:39] <jtv> So it creates a kind of "lightweight chroot" effect for (1) tests, and (2) demos.
[15:39] <jtv> The problem with using the celery config for this was that it throws tests and production into one kind of config, and demos into another.  Not the right fit.
[15:40] <roaksoax> jtv: right, but what I mean is that currently we run the pserv by passing it the --config-file option that tells where to load the pserv.yaml right?
[15:40] <jtv> It's optional, I think.
[15:40] <roaksoax> no
[15:40] <roaksoax> that's how the daemon is run
[15:40] <roaksoax> and that's how it should be run
[15:41] <roaksoax> daemons should allow you to tell them where the configuration is and if not sent, then it would look for a sane default
[15:41] <jtv> So you're saying it's not looking for a sane default?  That seems wrong.
[15:41] <jtv> And we do in fact have code in there that looks for a sane default, /etc/maas/pserv.yaml.
[15:41] <jtv> Unfortunately it *also* looks for an insane default, ./etc/pserv.yaml.
[15:41] <jtv> That's for branch runs.
[15:42] <jtv> With MAAS_CONFIG_DIR, that will simplify to: if an explicit file was selected, use that.  Otherwise, look for $MAAS_CONFIG_DIR/pserv.yaml.
[15:42] <roaksoax> jtv: ok so MAAS_CONFIG_DIR is only for branch runs and not when you actually *install* and run maas?
[15:42] <jtv> Exactly.
[15:42] <roaksoax> jtv: ok, so as long as nothing else changes, then I'm fine with that
[15:42] <jtv> Good, because I think the code already landed.  :)
[15:43] <roaksoax> because I also read that this is the basis for dropping POWER_{CONFIG,TEMPLATE}_DIR
[15:44] <jtv> Eventually, yes.  Not exactly dropping it, I think, because that'd break compatibility.  But the important point is that templates by  default would live in $MAAS_CONFIG_DIR/templates.
[15:44] <jtv> If we don't have $MAAS_CONFIG_DIR, then we'd have to make that "if we're running from a branch, use <branch>/etc/maas/templates.  Otherwise, use /etc/maas/templates."
[15:45] <roaksoax> right
[15:45] <jtv> So this change allows us to say: the default location for templates is $MAAS_CONFIG_DIR/templates.  Once we have that, we can allow people to customize that location.
[15:46] <roaksoax> right
[15:46] <jtv> And then if we do that, you can move the entire template directory (and softlink the parts that you don't want to change, I guess) and _then_ there should be no more need for those fine-grained configuration items.
[15:46] <jtv> So yes, this is the basis, but it's not a simple direct step.  :)
[15:46] <roaksoax> jtv: ok so as far as the templates then
[15:47] <roaksoax> jtv: this means that MAAS_CONFIG_DIR/templates would also work in production environments and not only when running from a branch right?
[15:47] <jtv> Right — and in a production environment it would be /etc/maas/templates, whereas in a branch it would be <branch>/etc/maas/templates.
[15:48] <roaksoax> right
[15:48] <roaksoax> which means that in a production environment
[15:48] <roaksoax> we still have to set MAAS_CONFIG_DIR
[15:49] <jtv> You don't have to  set it in a production environment — unless you're trying to run MAAS with a different config directory.  But as discussed we'd rather do that for just the templates.
[15:49] <roaksoax> exactly
[15:49] <roaksoax> that's my point
[15:49] <roaksoax> my point is that by default MAAS_CONFIG_DIR will default to /etc/maas and will make all of the daemons/services to look for their configs in MAAS_CONFIG_DIR
[15:50] <roaksoax> this means that MAAS_CONFIG_DIR is a common variable for both the cluster and the region
[15:50] <jtv> Yes, that won't change.
[15:50] <jtv> Right now it's hard-coded.  You're not meant to customize it in production, although you could if you wanted to.
[15:50] <roaksoax> jtv: right, that's my point
[15:51] <jtv> So, no worries then?  Great!
[15:51] <roaksoax> jtv: regardless that MAAS_CONFIG_DIR is set to /etc/maas, then a daemon/service should be allowed to specify *where* is config file is located
[15:51] <jtv> Yes, separate issue.
[15:51] <jtv> You're currently keeping me from realizing that dream.  :)
[15:54] <jtv> Okay, not fair — what I mean is, there's more groundwork to be laid so that we can move templates to /etc, and there's more design work to be done to satisfy various people's requirements.  And I'm eagerly implementing the groundwork right now.
[15:54] <roaksoax> jtv: ok, well to keep it simply, i'm just concerned that implementing this will affect allowing each service/dameon specify where its config are located
[15:55] <jtv> If you really wanted to tweak  this per daemon, then just pass each daemon a different value for the variable.  It's an environment variable, not a configuration item.  But it's not really meant for that — it's an implementation detail, if you will.
[15:55] <roaksoax> ok
[16:36] <AskUbuntu> Maas enlist nodes with pxe timeout | http://askubuntu.com/q/302479
[17:59] <kumquat> hi all, when cloud-init runs its final userdata on a VM node, i'm getting the "error inserting ipmi_si: no such device" fatal exit after installing freeipmi-tools and trying to set up.
[17:59] <kumquat> any help would be appreciated, since the node is hanging on commissioning and keeps sending messages to nodegroups/register
[18:03] <roaksoax> kumquat: do your nodes have ipmi cards?
[18:05] <kumquat> ah, no. the fatal error also didn't impact the bootup - after a while the node registers itself successfully anyway.
[18:05] <roaksoax> kumquat: yeah
[18:39] <roaksoax> rvba: still around by any chance?
[20:50] <jtv> smoser: still here?
[22:17]  * smoser missed jtv


 @BrisPete, not using virtualbox is likely to be more successful
 @DC7IA, still not a stable release
 @BrisPete, if you plug in a secondary usb mouse and configure the vm to pass it through though, it might work a little better
 I mean: Will it come soon-ish? Or more like: 2019?
 I predict 6 months if Marius doesn't drink Monster and 3 months if he drinks it.
 What will be different then?
 The bill of Monster...
 i don't know how long it will be. i mean you can install 16.04 image right now if you want
 not everything works as well as in 15.04, but it's there
 @dohbee, I'll give it another go tomorrow. Thanks for your suggestion.
 @delijati, I do. It started exactly when I switched my canonical image bq e4.5 to ubports.
 Usually lasted for 2 days with some usage. Now it can barely last a day. Battery drains even when idle.
 Hello team ! … About Whatsapp for Ubuntu Touch, have you tried to create a petition for the developers ?
 @Fabio7891, native whatsapp won't happen unless someone pays whatsapp a whole lot of cash (like a million dollars), or we get like 10 million users or something ridiculous
 Well, if Ubuntu Touch will be always tidy and easy to use, I think there are chance
 Better would be an open alternative that is superior to whatsapp
 hi... so it looks like the right half of my N4 isn't responding at all... is this possible it's UT or is it 100% the digitizer/screen?
 I'm somewhat desperate so all ideas open :)
 @wayneoutthere, Install twrp touch recovery and see if touch works there.. if it does then it's UT.. if not.. rip digitizer, it was nice knowing ya
 hmm
 thanks... is that via cable?
 i guess... since it's dead?
 i was thinking about some 'power moves' lik ethat to try...
 Yeah reboot to bootloader, and then fastboot flash recovery <path to recovery>
 ... hmm
 i wonder if the installer would work?
 i'm rusty with adb stuff
 Or you can just boot the recovery inage instead of flashing it to not overwrite ubp recovery
 fastboot boot <path/to/twrp>
 i don't mind overwriting... i guess. i can probably pull the data off with cable
 like photos
 Ubuntu Touch OS is damn not ready for real.
 i've been using it for real for nearly a year so it's ready.  this might be my screen
 @wayneoutthere, Did it fall ?
 @Ern_st, no
 Hiring Developers to complete OS like building team
 sure with whose money?
 sounds graet
 @wayneoutthere, You don't need to overwrite data partition, it's completely untouched
 oh, ok.
 Free! Volunteers!
 thanks...
 @Dion, oh maybe i misunderstood you.  we are a team of volunteers...
 i thought you were saying 'this is not a good OS - we need to pay money and hire someone to fix it'
 Most likely your are good to change the screen + digitalizer ... around 30 $ with a lot of fake on ebay :/
 ... it's an N4
 i'm not sure it's worth a new screen... even $30
 i like it but..
 $75 for an N5
 exactly
 hey will
 It might be a good time
 @wayneoutthere, Yes not good OS. There is a lot of work to do in long term.
 @wayneoutthere, Yes correct ...
 @Dion, what makes you say it's not a good OS? i'm not attacking you just curious.  I love it
 Can you try switching channels? Can you get a bt mouse attached?
 i don't ahve BT mouse
 @Crash_Burn, Not on a N4
 i have a USB cable and a terminal though
 heading to the install room .. :)
 thanks @bhushanshah
 @wayneoutthere, Lol! Sure!
 There need to work on Ubuntu Touch SDK for app after will have completed OS.
 i see yeah SDK is interesting topic.
 clickable seems good
 @wayneoutthere, Yes but little diffcult for some developers when bugs are appeared
 Why not develop UT 16.04 on BQ M10 FHD? This is opportunity for UT fans and developers that can buy BQ products are still available to test or/and use. It is my opinion.
 Wayne(out there)
 @Dion, Wasn't this very thing brought up in the Community Update today?
 Nah.
 (Sticker, 512x410) https://irc.ubports.com/uI7fbiUc/file_3623
 Is the keyboard issue resolved in 16.04
 @Fabio7891, Why are you so eager to use Whatsapp? I am living very well without it. If some people cannot understand why they should install the f-droid version of telegram instead of whatsapp, then I don't bother communicating with them at all :D
 @DiogoConstantino, You are wrong, itis not the real problem. OSM is not a service provider. You have turn-by-turn navigation on their website but it is thinked as a way to test the database and discover missing-wrong ways. The osm "policy" is only to make the database over with external services providers can base their services. So the problem is not their turn by turn navigation (it is not their, it came from implementation of external
[06:44] <tgBot1> software:mapzen, osmr...) but the fact that you can't use osm website to implement services on your app. This is not only for the turn by turn engine, but also for the nominatim (search engine) and their tile services (map rendering)...the code is opensource so you can use what they have done, but you can't use their servers to implement them. the only thing you can use fron dei server is their DB
[08:41] <tgBot1> dmitrywolf was added by: dmitrywolf
 @dmitrywolf, С рождеством! Merry Christmas
 also welcome
 be sure to join @ubports_ru for Russian discussions and @ubports_ot for off-topic stuff
 (Sticker, 512x300) https://irc.ubports.com/IGl1xeFH/file_3637
 sorry wrong chat
 Hello, I have Nexus 4 currently with Kali Nethunter, I want to use device in style of single board computer, hook it up to ethernet adapter, install nodejs, python, go software with apt-get, will ubuntu give more performance over nethunter?
 nethunter runs within android iirc
 yes
 so native ubuntu will be more performant for sure
 also it supports convergence (external monitor output and all that cool stuff)
 apt-get can get a little tricky
 you can't use it out of the box
 as / is readonly (the fs is readonly)
 you either need to remount it to rw (breaking ota updates) or use libertine containers
 you can ever run GUI apps using libertine containers
 like full featured IDEs
 i have seen mention of small partition where apt-get packages is installed
 i haven't unfortunately, ask @KrisJacewicz
 he hacks ubports a lot
 @vanyasem, making rootfs writable does not break ota updates. it's the other way around. After ota update, all the custom changes made to your rootfs will be no longer.
 yeah, that's been cleared here before. you can still do OTA updates even if you use apt. but sometimes OTA updates loses your apt changes/installations
 Is docker works in ubuntu touch?
 I guess if it has arm builds and support for 15.04?
 Thank you all 😉
 @Javacookies, Interesting. That's a lot less serious than what I believed. I might actually try it so. Id like to install MC and a few other CLI apps.
 Can easily reinstall them after the OTAs.
 just don't blame me if anything happens :P … I'm not 100% sure but that's based on my experience and some other people's opinion here ;)
 I understand. Its up to me to research more. The only authority is the system itself :) I can afford the risk.
 Thanks Kugi.
 Tried to use https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer/
 look at ~/Library/Application\ Support/ubports/ubports-installer.log
 there is clean password in there
 please dont tell me that you sending this logs as bug reports 😄
 @dmitrywolf, Can you describe this a little more please? I do not understand what this means
 My user password is written in logs as part of commands
[11:03] <tgBot1> fankyBE was added by: fankyBE
 Welcome Simon! Ask questions, join in. Glad to have you in our community. https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome for lots of newcomer information 🚪
 @dmitrywolf, When you use the installer, your private password is written to a file as plain text, without that being made clear to you?
 @Stereofont, seriously, why not gksudo
 https://twitter.com/costalesdev/status/949944025574006784?ref_src=twcamp%5Eshare%7Ctwsrc%5Em5%7Ctwgr%5Eemail%7Ctwcon%5E7046%7Ctwterm%5E0
 @Stereofont, Thank you Lionelb. I was looking for your news channel which i found now in the tagged message. What channel is this one?
 https://plus.google.com/+MarcosCostales/posts/Nzt2dFXEUHr
 @fankyBE, This is the big, main group about UBports. There are also language-based groups
 @fankyBE, Is there a reason you were looking specifically for a 'news' channel?
 @bhdouglass $ clickable launch … Multiple devices attached
 $ clickable devices … UA000784 - Aquaris E5 HD Ubuntu Edition
 @Stereofont, Of course. I heard rumors about a port for Oneplus 3 and would love to read some news about that. Since i use Ubuntu on my laptop, anbox is an interesting theme for me anyway.
 @fankyBE, Marius G has got a long way with that. An 'official' release will probably not be far away
 A very rough test version of Anbox is about to be made available but it runs on UT 16.04, which is quite experiment al and haphazard still
 If you have two devices, it might be fun to follow progress on a device that you don't need
 If you have only one device, wise to leave well alone
 Can't find manual install instructions, gui installer don't work for me
 @dmitrywolf, Join the Welcome Room from the button in a welcome message link
 There is unclosed pull req that affect macOS, but from logs seems like bundled adb just dont see fastboot device
 @Stereofont, I'm very pleased to hear that. I have multiple devices but op3 is my daily driver. Maybe that will change when UT will be available for that device.
 @fankyBE, Maybe you have a compatible device, like a Nexus 4 or 5?
 @Stereofont, Before the OP3 i was into Keyboards and had some Blackberrys with BBOS10 and Android. Is there a german channel too? I read about it, but cold not find.
 @mariogrip Any idea, how to fix the kernels for the remaining devices (e.g. N5) after dropping device-files? Would like to help.
 @fankyBE, http://t.me/UBports_Deutsch
 @Stereofont, Thank you very much.
 @fankyBE, Nexus 5 can be quite inexpensive for 'play'
 Also 2013 N7 tablets
 @Stereofont, That's a great idea. Are there differences between a tablet or a smartphone version of ubuntu touch?
 @fankyBE, The tablet cant make calls 😂😂😂
 Same version
 Then you have a tablet too…
 BQ FHD is still possible to get bit around €230
 @Stereofont, I had a tablet which can actually do calls. 😉 Unfortunately it does not boot anymore.
 N7 LTE can I suppose
 A big phone so not very presidential 🤡
 @Stereofont, No, it was a Asus Phonepad 7 with Intel chip.
 @nfsprodriver, Ah, now I see: The ubuntu-overlay isn't included yet (correctly) to hammerhead.
 I mean N7 LTE runs UT
 @Stereofont, 👍
 2012 N7 is useless
 @Stereofont, How can you tell whether a Nexus 7 is from 2012, 2013 or even 2017?
 It is in the build information
 On EBay may not be reliable
 There are 2012, Wifi and LTE
 @KrisJacewicz Hello man, I wanted to know if there is any chance to install Synergy without libertine container (I have the N5 where libertine doesnt work) so I can use it to control stuff server-client side
 well, I guess you saw me running Synergy on my phone, so I didn't use libertine, I don't even have libertine installed, so yes
 Yeah I saw it
 but with xfce lol
 however, I did use chroot, for a simple reason that Synergy does not knwo mir and can't intgrate with it
 yes xfce, also with mate
 ok I understand
 so step by step
 I want to do it with 1.8.8
 I will have to build the binaries?
 yes and also there are some problems that I had to take care of (will soon publish everything on my blog), like the mouse cursor would not be visible at all
 @malditobastardo, yes, unless you know where to download binareis from ;)
 ok I better just wait for you :)
 Actually there is a page
 I will publish this either next weekend or the one after.  But this will mean running without a gui right?
 ah yes, I did not run synergy with gui on ARM, because I was building from sources and gui was not included. I will make simple GUI for this in ATU app though.
 Great, thank you a lot
 and yeah, I am running without the gui too in the pi3
 yes I have my amd64 Ubuntu laptop, my pi3 and my 2 UT phones all setup as one wide desktop (4 devices) with Synergy :D
 pffff
 exactly that is what I want to do lol
 Thank you Kris
 I will wait for your blog update
 :)
 the synergy is especially great when you use Nexus5 with slimport to display desktop on an external monitor. And in that situation running XFCE or Mate is really super nice, especially if you also are running mate on pi
 and since synergy can also be mixed with Windows and OSX, so it's yet another alternative to converged experience
 the shared clipboard is really an awesome feature, you copy/paste content between your synergy-connected devices, and you can browse on laptop with plenty of RAM, than copy/paste code (or whatever you need) to the UT and run there
 I see, thats awesome
 the only issue is that its only for 2.0 hehe
 it would be great to have someting like that implemented in ATU :P
 Fwd from DanChapman: Finally got around to doing it https://open.uappexplorer.com/app/libertine-scope.ubuntu 😊
 @nanu_c, That's a bug, it's been fixed but the launchpad build servers have been down for a while so the fix hasn't been able to get into the ppa yet. To get around that just run `clickable -S <device serial number>`. The serial number in your case is UA000784
 @bhdouglass, Or you can download the latest version from GitHub: https://github.com/bhdouglass/clickable/releases/tag/v3.0.0
 Well, I replace Kali nethunter with Ubuntu Touch and did sysbench, unfortune result, Ubuntu touch slower.
 ```
 KALI NETHUNTER  …     VS UBUNTU TOUCH  … sysbench --num-threads=1 --test=cpu --cpu-max-prime=2000 run … 13.5117s … 17.2388s … sysbench --num-threads=2 --test=cpu --cpu-max-prime=2000 run … 6.8304s … 9.2018s … Maximum prime number checked in CPU test: 2000 … 3.4598s … 4.6580s … sysbench --num-threads=8 --test=cpu --cpu-max-prime=2000 run … 3.4469s … 4.4559s … sysbench --test=memory --memory-block-size=1M --memory-total
[15:06] <tgBot1> 1750.02 ops/sec … sysbench --test=memory --memory-block-size=1M --memory-total-size=512M run … 2666.44 MB/sec … 2574.93 MB/sec
 huh
 @Stereofont, I don't think it has voice support. Only data
 @KrisJacewicz, On osx? That's not how to do things there.
 @dmitrywolf, That is a pretty serious bug. Please open an issue on gh if you haven't already
 @dohbee, off course I did not meant osx, the installer can hacve a conditional directive to choose gksudo on linux, or even just ceck if /usr/bin/gksudo is available, and use it then only, that will compile also on osx
 @KrisJacewicz, do you know how make the mate/XFCE run in fullscreen? the top panel is still visible when running via xmir :)
 @Javacookies, no I don't sorry. I still want to see the top bar, but if you don't wish to see it, I don't know how to do it
 @KrisJacewicz, It should use policykit on Linux, but the point was someone was asking for help on Mac, and you just plainly suggested to use gksudo. It's not helpful
 @dohbee, I see, my appologies, I did not notice the person was on osx
 @KrisJacewicz, okay, I wanted a full experience but oh well, not really a problem :) thanks
 @dohbee, Ah okay. Seems a waste
 @Javacookies, the way I see it is that if you start xfce on the screen of your phone, then seeing the top bar server a purpose. And if you send the xfce session to a remote display, than you send it without the top bar anyways.  … The tricky part is if you want to use Synergy, because then, the cursor will never reach the top bar. I personally like this, because I don't need to worry that my mouse pointer will trigger one of UT's touch gestu
[15:23] <tgBot1> like app switch etc. That is annoying if it happens without your intention. And if I want to trigger it, I just use my finger on the touchscreen.
 @dmitrywolf, Remember that UT is still 15.04. Rather old
 Linux ubuntu-phablet 3.4.0-7-mako #1-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Thu Sep 3 15:30:20 UTC 2015 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux … Linux kali 3.4.0-nethunter-mako-2.1 #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat Jul 30 18:27:30 EDT 2016 armv7l GNU/Linux
 @fankyBE, the 2012 has a textured back
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/fwHARQZ0/file_3639.jpg
 "Nexus" is vertical in 2013 ;)
 2012 is Tegra
 Fwd from DC7IA: Does anyone know how I can setup a second Telegram account? I don't see where I shall put the verification code.
 Thank you all for those hints.
 I saw some offers for a 2012 N7 titled as the new one. 😒
 @fankyBE, Buyer beware
 What do you plan to do with the Ubuntu-SDK?
 @Jorge, Maintaining it would be a huge project. We don't have resources on that scale
 The idea is to work on using 16.04 to "remove" the SDK?
 How could you remove the SDK when the platform needs pretty much everything in it apart from the IDE and it's tools? The SDK is more than just qtcreator 😉
 Sure some parts are likely to be put on the back burner / left to die but most of it will carry on being maintained one way or another
 The qml / cpp libraries will probably be still developed and click packages can be built using clickable
 @DanChapman, I think the same
 most of what the whole "SDK" is, needs to be removed, really
 some of the things only a couple people at canonical even understood the code for. it's not great
 @dohbee, out of curiosity which things were these that you recall?
 @DanChapman, unfortunately some are things that are needed (or at least will need replacements that work as well)
 dbus-cpp, location-service, trust service stuff, oxide is of course very difficult to maintain
 online-accounts is something i'd get rid of. it's extraneous and rife with problems that must be solved externally anyway
 hey, does the keyboard now work on devel/16.04 Bacon and FP2 ?
 @popescu_sorin so what's the story with that Desktop Apps program? I take it you uploaded it to Openstore to make it available there, and switched the sources to the newer one so it can build the container without errors, is that correct and is there anything else in this version?
 @TartanSpartan it was me who uploaded it and it's just a scope to launch apps installed in libertine. I fixed the libertine sources a little while ago and should have been sorted with OTA-3
 @TartanSpartan, libertine in ota3 was already fixed to use old-releases for building containers i though
 the libertine scope doesn't provide container management features either i don't think. it's just to launch apps
 oh well dan replied too :)
 @dohbee, All great examples! especially the trust service.. always seemed like some mythical thing to me
 @DanChapman, the trust prompts stuff is way too complicated.
 Thanks guys, good to know.
[19:24] <tgBot1> Mike was added by: Mike
[19:37] <rawf> Hello. I'm having trouble installing Ubuntu Touch onto a oneplus one. I'm using the ubports installer. Can anyone help?
 @dohbee, Tell UBports team
 @Mike, Hello Mike. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 Rawf we have Telegram group for support but it isn't linked to irc
 @dmitrywolf, updated tests for 14.04 … I though i would get never kernel bu it is same
 @dmitrywolf, No, android kernel will stay the same because of binary blob drivers. that's how android based devices work
 @BlueKenny, On FP2 16.04 does not even boot currently.
 (Photo, 1280x308) https://irc.ubports.com/W7RFVo0G/file_3641.jpg
 sensorservice heavy usage, is it ok ?
[20:15] <rawf> The UBports installer wants me to reboot into "bootloader mode". Is this the same as fastboot mode?
 Rawf it is a poor description. Answer is yes
 I'm thinking about getting an Ubuntu Tablet. I guess there are some different versions of the M10 floating around, right? Does Ubuntu work on all of them?
 @Daniel, M10 FHD and HD
 @Dion, And they don't have any hardware revisions which might block installation?
 @dmitrywolf, What does 200% use mean?
 I recommend the FHD because the 16GB on the HD can be a little cramping sometimes, even with the up-to-64GB Micro SD card for file storage.
 @Daniel, I flashed UT to a FHD running Android
 https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/software/distributions/999642-ubports-is-making-progress-with-unity-8-on-the-desktop … I don't think anyone posted this earlier. Apologies if I missed it.
 @TartanSpartan, 👌 👍
 OK, thanks. So I#ll go hunting for an FHD
 @Daniel, BQ may have some in Clearance on their website
 @Stereofont, UT 16.04 is not available for BQ M10. You can experiment if you want to.
 It will be in time though right?
 Xenial for FHD I mean?
 @Daniel, UT 16.04 is not available for BQ M10. You can experiment if you want to.
 @Stereofont, It means 100% x 2 cores
 @TartanSpartan, Xenial (16.04)
 @Dion, err? yes it is. https://system-image.ubports.com/ubports-touch/16.04/devel/
 @dohbee, Stable?
 not yet. 16.04 is not available as stable on any device
 hence the "devel"
 @Stereofont, Indeed. They even have the Ubuntu Edition.  Is here any advantage over the Android version? i mean, I have to flash it anyway to get the ubports image.
 @Daniel, you don't have to muck about with repartitioning if it's already got ubuntu on it
 @dohbee, Exactly. Thanks for clarifying.
[20:41] <tgBot1> Nilsonlinux was added by: Nilsonlinux
 @Daniel, Cost?
 @Nilsonlinux, Hello Nilson. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 @Stereofont, 279,90€ for the ubuntu version, the android version is not available. But it is 16 GB
 @Daniel, You checked clearance/reconditioned?
 And wifi only
 ebay?
 Rare. A German company has some stock I think
 I'm sure I'll find one. I'd like to get the version with LTE
 Thank you very much and have a good night!
 @Stereofont, I mean the section on BQ website
 Only on the portuguese website, not on the german one. Does the version with 4G (MediaTek MT8783) also work or is it only HD/FHD
 In the official Spanish there is a refurbished fhd for like 180€ with UT
 Sorry, should this discussion go to the OT-channel?
 @malditobastardo, hd or fhd?
 @Daniel, It is of general interest, so fine here I think
 @malditobastardo, Lots more in that category on the Spanish site
 @Daniel, why? what's more about ubuntu touch than buying a device with ubuntu touch?
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/DwsqWo4a/file_3643.jpg
 OK. On https://www.bq.com/en/aquaris-m10 there are three devices. HD, FHD and 4G. Am I right to think the 4G will not work?
 @neothethird, +1 😂
 @Daniel, 4g won't work
 Damn
 and getting ubuntu touch on the one that ships with android is possible, but painful
 @malditobastardo, They have a sense of humour too
 OK, so my take-home message is: Daniel, get the FHD with ubuntu preinstalled.
 Or the HD
 both work
 OK, then I'm off. Thank you and have a good night!
 \o good night to you, too
[21:19] <tgBot1> <Lukas Wolfskin> @DanChapman, Hey Dan. This has nothing to do with what I'm replying to... I just want to get your attention. I'm part of a private organization using an exchange server. When I attempted to set up a mailbox with dekko, it defaulted to imap and smtp, which are disallowed by my administrator for security reasons. When I set it up on android, it took longer to detect my settings, and there were several external rules I had to allow from the ser
[21:19] <tgBot1> imposed on my device. I have the exchange address, and my user access info... But dekko has no place for the input.
[21:21] <tgBot1> <Lukas Wolfskin> All other email accounts, including office365 work well; though, I had to set up imap and smtp settings.
 @Lukas Wolfskin, You can get attention with a ping. Just do @jabberwocky to get the attention of Jabberwocky
 Phew. There was one 😨
 dekko on android?
 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.dekkosecure.Dekko looks like something else :(
 Yeah not the same dekko. They appeared on android/windows about 6 months after i first released Dekko. We've had discussions regarding the name 😊
 heh
 @mileskjeller, that's mine...
 @wayneoutthere, Hmm?
 meaning... ihave that same N7 and I want to UT it ...but apparently I can't
 Yeah, I don't think UT supports the 2012 model
 I'm running a SlimKat variant called "Autodroid" on mine
 it's just a media box
 dang. i keep hoping.  not sure why haha
 2012 nexus 7 is good for snow shoes
 haha
 very old hardware with a lot of bugs
 less than the 2013 though
 I traded my 2012 in for a 2013, and the 2013 got the bootloop of death
 oh..haha.  i'll make a point to let it go
 my N4 died yesterday. i'm in a bad state :(
 so I returned it and got my 2012 back ,lol
 but working on solutions
 Yeah, my old N4 kicked the bucket a few months ago, think it's the battery
 so got a new one coming
 yeah.. digitizer
 @wayneoutthere, I'm not sure, but I think someone ported Halium to it
 So you may be able to install xenial on it quite soon
 @JBBgameich, wha?  weird... we need to see if there is a way to bridge these group gaps better
 is there a "nEws channel' for halium where I can just get the stuff that matters... like this?
 ok gotta jet... but yeah .. Halium super important (don't tell @bhushanshah I said that! )
 I created a devices repository on GitHub where we can include all supported devices, but many already ported ones are still missing there
 (we're supposed to always fight)
 GitHub.com/Halium/project management/issues is probably the best page to look for ports
 Oh no, sorry. It looks like he ported the 2013 Edition. ..
[21:59] <tgBot1> mdsoleman was added by: mdsoleman
 Any helium working port or close to be working?
 Halium
 With UT
 Hi @mdsoleman! I'm part of the UBports Welcome Team. Please look at https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get up to speed and feel free to ask any question, especially in the Newcomers Room!
[22:28] <tgBot1> <Lukas Wolfskin> @Stereofont, Thanks,Lionel
[22:31] <tgBot1> <Lukas Wolfskin> @DanChapman, Sooo, what data can I provide, or assistance, to address the exchange Issue? BTW, I didn't mean dekko on android... I meant the native android mail/exchange app... But I'm guessing you've deduced that already.
[22:31] <tgBot1> <Lukas Wolfskin> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/0BIYG7Vm/file_3646
 i didn't think dekko supported exchange?
[23:25] <rawf> Where can I manually download ubuntu touch images?
 the image server is system-image.ubports.com but they are not like normal android roms. you can't just copy them into twrp to flash them
[23:29] <rawf> Thanks. Is it not possible to flash them via fastboot?
 what os are you flashing from?
[23:29] <rawf> I'm running debian
 the installer supports flashing from fastboot (which it does by booting the ubuntu recovery, and then flashing the OS from the recovery)
 ok, i don't know if it's packaged in debian, you can try ubuntu-device-flash
 the source is from https://launchpad.net/goget-ubuntu-touch so you can build it if not there (it's in golang)
 i guess it would probably be better to understand what exactly isn't working for you though
 but right now i kind of really need to get some food
 good luck
[23:52] <rawf> thanks.