[09:55] <BigBangUDR> Hello all need help regarding kernel panic in 14.04 issue - http://imgur.com/a/3oKAQ
[10:10] <apw> BigBangUDR, that looks to be 4.4.0-72.93 ... the latest updates kernel is 4.4.0-87.110 have you tried that ?
[10:10] <BigBangUDR> I am new and not able to boot or get terminal
[10:11] <apw> do you have any other kernels installed, i assume there was another before that one broke you
[10:11] <apw> so as it crashed and did not boot, you should get a menu next time you boot
[10:11] <apw> which lets you select other older kernels
[10:11] <apw> i would recommend picking the previous one to this one if it is the latest installed
[10:12] <BigBangUDR> Try all kernal options available in grub menu none worked all went to panic
[10:12] <BigBangUDR> even recovery mode
[10:13] <apw> oh your init is broken
[10:13] <apw> so yes all kernels will blow up, as it is simply sying "init exited"
[10:15] <apw> so you could edit the command line and try adding 'init=/bin/sh' to the end and see if you get a prompt then
[10:15] <apw> of course it will have root mounted read only etc
[10:19] <BigBangUDR> apw: i have another ubuntu with multi hard disk support, can i mount and do something
[10:20] <apw> i would try the init thing first
[10:20] <apw> as you can remount it r/w and ask apt what the heck is up with init
[10:21] <apw> as it looks like someone has removed libcap2 from teh system
[10:21] <apw> from the error you have, which is a hard dependency of systemd
[10:21] <apw> which is init in this context
[10:21] <BigBangUDR> apw: i am real new to this kernal things dont have any idea what needs to be excuted there
[10:22] <apw> i am saying select the latest kernel in grub, hit the e key to edit the entry
[10:22] <apw> and then cursor down to the line with linux at the front, and add init=/bin/sh to the end of the line
[10:22] <apw> then hit ctrl-x to execute it
[10:23] <apw> https://askubuntu.com/questions/19486/how-do-i-add-a-kernel-boot-parameter
[10:23] <apw> if that doesn't panic we have some hope of being able to recover from this
[10:23] <apw> is this is a server or desktop install ?
[10:23] <BigBangUDR> apw: Okay this is server install
[10:24] <apw> what was occuring when this started, as losing that file without systemd being removed
[10:24] <apw> implies the actual file was removed without removing the package
[10:24] <apw> so either someone with admin or a harward/software glitch that happened to remove/corrupt that file
[10:25] <BigBangUDR> This is our node development in-house server, i monitor it
[10:26] <BigBangUDR> we usually add and remove lots of programmes
[10:26] <BigBangUDR> am trying your init solutions
[10:27] <apw> it isn't a solution, it is an attempt to get you to a point where you can repair this thing
[10:27] <BigBangUDR> Yes
[10:27] <apw> it will not be up in any sense someone can use it from anywhere from the control
[10:27] <apw> console
[10:33] <BigBangUDR> apw: got the terminal
[10:33] <apw> then you have some hope
[10:33] <apw> then you need to make / writable
[10:34] <BigBangUDR> how to do it?
[10:34] <apw> note once you have done this you need to sync it manually at the end otherwise it might not be on disk
[10:34] <apw> this is very important
[10:34] <apw> mount -o remount,rw /
[10:34] <apw> but remember you can make a huge poo mess of this if you do not sync it at the end
[10:34] <apw> which you do in teh traditional way
[10:34] <apw> sync;sync;sync
[10:36] <apw> next we want to find out if you have libcap2 installed
[10:36] <apw> dpkg -l | grep libpcap2
[10:37] <apw> dpkg -l | grep libcap2
[10:37] <BigBangUDR> mount not working
[10:37] <apw> what does it say
[10:37] <BigBangUDR> error while loading shared libraries : libblkid.so.1
[10:37] <apw> does ls work ?
[10:38] <BigBangUDR> lls
[10:38] <BigBangUDR> yes
[10:38] <apw> ls -l /lib/*/libcap.so.2
[10:39] <apw> does that list any files ?
[10:39] <apw> ls -l /lib/*/libcap.so.2*
[10:39] <apw> and indeed does that
[10:40] <BigBangUDR> no such file or directory
[10:40] <apw> for both ?
[10:41] <apw> ls /lib
[10:41] <apw> ?
[10:41] <BigBangUDR> ls it display all libraries
[10:42] <apw> dpkg -l | grep libcap2
[10:42] <apw> does that work ?
[10:43] <BigBangUDR> yes it display some result like libcap2-bin and more
[10:44] <apw> dpkg --verify libcap2
[10:44] <apw> what does that say
[10:44] <BigBangUDR> its saying ??5????? and a path
[10:45] <apw> so you have lost that file, what path is it
[10:45] <apw> approximatly is close enough
[10:46] <apw> and what is the letter in the second column
[10:47] <BigBangUDR> This is the path  /lib/x86_64linux-gnu/libcap.so.2.24
[10:47] <apw> what does
[10:47] <apw> and ls of that directory short
[10:47] <apw> show
[10:47] <apw> ie is there anything else in there, or are all of your arch specific libraries gone
[10:48] <apw> as we know you are missing blkid already
[10:48] <apw> ...
[10:48] <apw> though regardless of that because you have lost your blkid library you are not going to be able
[10:48] <BigBangUDR> yes right
[10:48] <apw> to recover this from here easily as your disk is not converable to rw to fix
[10:49] <apw> so normally in this situation i would make and boot from a usb stick
[10:49] <apw> then mount up the root disk manually and chroot into it
[10:49] <apw> and see if i could reinstall the packages which are clearly broken
[10:50] <BigBangUDR> It throw the same error while boot from USB
[10:50] <apw> that cannot be, as the usb stick has its own libraries
[10:50] <apw> that sounds more like you are failing to boot the stick
[10:50] <BigBangUDR> Okay I'll try one more time
[10:51] <BigBangUDR> Hope it will work this time.
[10:51] <apw> once you have mounted root, and chrooted into it
[10:51] <apw> (remember to bind mount /sys and /proc into it)
[10:52] <BigBangUDR> Okay
[10:52] <apw> then you can try apt-get install --reinstall libcap2 libblkid1
[10:52] <apw> and see if that works
[10:52] <apw> of course you have little idea if anytyhing else got dammaged by whatever broke you
[10:53] <BigBangUDR> Sure I go through it and try to recover it.
[10:53] <ogra_> are you sure thats not a failed disk in the raid ?
[10:54] <ogra_> (looks like there is a md raid in use)
[10:54] <BigBangUDR> Yes
[10:55] <apw> if there is any risk that you have lost a disk in your raid you ought to take a backup of course
[10:55] <apw> well probabally you want to do that anyhow
[10:56] <BigBangUDR> Right
[10:56] <apw> ogra_, though as the disk has mounted clean i assume a disk loss would have had to have occured when the machine was not booted
[10:56] <apw> not impossible of course
[10:57] <BigBangUDR> Try to mount it with the help of another disk but it failed and dont show all data which is available earlier
[10:58]  * ogra_ would actually boot with break=bottom and inspect the raid from there (also gives you accurate logs, i guess any interesting errors are scrolled off screen anyway)
[10:59] <BigBangUDR> Still throw the same error kernal error while boot from USB
[11:00] <apw> what usb stick image are you booting
[11:00] <apw> and is the output identicle
[11:00] <BigBangUDR> Might be some problem with its version.
[11:01] <apw> whos version?
[11:01] <BigBangUDR> version 16.04
[11:01] <apw> those images are commonly used, so i doubt it
[11:01] <apw> what kernel version is shown in that panic
[11:01] <apw> when booting from usb
[11:01] <ogra_> which image are you using(whats the download URL yu used)
[11:04] <BigBangUDR> version 14
[11:04] <ogra_> ??
[11:04] <ogra_> thats not a url
[11:04] <ogra_> what exactly did you download for your usb stick
[11:05] <ogra_> surely any imgaes you can download from releases.ubuntu.com will bot standalone
[11:05] <ogra_> *boot
[11:05] <apw> i asusme that is mean to be a kernel version, but its not one of those
[11:05] <apw> if the panic looks similar, then is says "Kernel Panic -...."
[11:06] <apw> and then two lines below on the right end of the CPU: 0 line it has a full kernel version/flavour/build number
[11:06] <apw> it is that i am after
[11:06] <BigBangUDR> https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/thank-you?country=IN&version=16.04.2&architecture=amd64
[11:06] <BigBangUDR> This is the url
[11:07] <ogra_> how did you write it to the USB ?
[11:07] <ogra_> and what is rthe exact error you see when booting from it then
[11:09]  * apw boots that CD to find out what kernel is on it
[11:09] <apw> BigBangUDR, what was that kernel version when booting USB, or upload a picture of that too
[11:11] <BigBangUDR> kernal version is 4.053442
[11:11] <apw> nope
[11:12] <apw> that isn't a kernel version, they don't look like that
[11:12] <apw> 4.11.0-11-generic #16-Ubuntu
[11:12] <apw> they are shaped like that (from my machine here)
[11:12] <apw> shaped like that in a panic output
[11:14] <ogra_> 16.04 should have something like 4.4.0-*
[11:15] <ogra_> (though that is 16.04.2 ... that probably already has the hwe kernel )
[11:18] <BigBangUDR> Okay trying to chroot and bind
[11:19] <apw> managed to get the usb image booted ?
[11:19] <BigBangUDR> yes
[11:20] <BigBangUDR> chroot / right?
[11:20] <apw> nope
[11:20] <apw> you need to bind before you chroot
[11:20] <apw> and then you chroot into wherever you mounted your real /
[11:20] <apw> chroot /mnt /bin/bash
[11:20] <apw> sort of thing
[11:23] <BigBangUDR> have mounted the disk at /mnt/kw
[11:23] <apw> then there
[11:23] <apw> mount -o bind /sys /mnt/kw/sys
[11:23] <apw> mount -o bind /proc /mnt/kw/proc
[11:23] <apw> chroot /mnt/kw /bin/bash
[11:23] <apw> and see if you can reinstall that libcap2 package
[11:23] <apw> if you can, you may have some hope
[11:24] <BigBangUDR> chroot: failed to run command ‘/bin/bash’: Exec format error
[11:24] <apw> try /bin/sh
[11:25] <apw> is the installed image also amd64 ?
[11:25] <BigBangUDR> chroot: failed to run command ‘/bin/sh’: Exec format error
[11:26] <apw> what does "file /mnt/kw/bin/sh" say
[11:27] <BigBangUDR>  /mnt/kw/bin/sh: symbolic link to `dash'
[11:28] <apw> what does "file /mnt/kw/bin/dsh" say
[11:28] <apw> what does "file /mnt/kw/bin/dash" say even
[11:28] <BigBangUDR>  /mnt/kw/bin/dash: ELF 64-bit LSB  shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.32, BuildID[sha1]=504637666875a5d526ef51acfe601c99efc99114, stripped
[11:31] <ogra_> and you definitely downloaded ubuntu-16.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso ? are you sure it is not i386.iso ?
[11:31] <ogra_> what does: uname -m
[11:32] <ogra_> say ?
[11:32] <BigBangUDR> Ohh sorry my bad it says i686
[11:33] <ogra_> i686 ?
[11:33] <BigBangUDR> yes
[11:33] <ogra_> where does it say that
[11:33] <BigBangUDR> uname -m
[11:34] <ogra_> apw, is that what we say on i386 installs ?
[11:34]  * ogra_ wou8ld have expected x86 ... like amd64 says x86_64
[11:34] <apw> yes, that is what we say on i386, this amd64 box says x86_64
[11:34] <ogra_> yeah, wrong iso then
[11:35] <ogra_> http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04.2/ubuntu-16.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso
[11:35] <ogra_> try this image
[11:36] <BigBangUDR> Okay let me download
[11:38] <BigBangUDR> ogra_: corrupted one is server edition
[11:39] <ogra_> there is no difference (apart from one shipping a desktop, they are the same underneath)
[11:39] <ogra_> but feel free to grab the server iso from the above url instead
[11:40] <BigBangUDR> Okay
[12:12]  * apw assumes BigBangUDR succeeded
[12:20] <BigBangUDR> apw not yet but in very good direction thanks to you
[12:22] <BigBangUDR> repeating all i have learn from you.
[15:29] <michael-vb> apw: Michael from the VirtualBox team here.  I was talking to LocutusOfBorg on #vbox-dev about how to deal with the VirtualBox kernel drivers (the host ones) and secure boot.
[15:29] <michael-vb> He said I should talk to you and thought you might be have plan to include them in the Ubuntu kernel package.
[15:42] <sforshee> michael-vb: we already have been including them in Ubuntu kernel packages for quite some time now
[15:42] <michael-vb> The host ones?
[15:42] <sforshee> oops, missed that part. No, not the host ones
[15:43] <michael-vb> See for example LP 1574300.
[15:44] <michael-vb> And it applies to our upstream builds as well of course.
[15:45] <sforshee> yeah, currently the only solutions are to disable secure boot or use install a mok which is used to sign dkms modules. I think cyphermox was planning to work on a user-friendly way to do the latter.
[15:45] <cyphermox> working on it, I'm testing code at the moment
[15:46] <michael-vb> Sounds interesting, any pointers?
[15:46] <cyphermox> when the module gets built though, you should currently be getting a prompt to disable Secure Boot
[15:49] <cyphermox> in other words, when you see the DKMS logs at package install (or upgrade), provided that you're in UEFI mode you should also be seeing a prompt come up to ask if you want to disable Secure Boot, and the pick a password -- you do want to do that
[15:51] <michael-vb> We no longer use dkms upstream.  Not all distributions supported it, and using it for some but not all made no sense.
[16:00] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm back with my flaky connection
[16:03] <michael-vb> Just looked at mokutil.
[16:04] <LocutusOfBorg> I didn't probably get the answer from kernel team :)
[16:05] <michael-vb> mokutil seems to be the answer in short form.
[16:06] <michael-vb> The long form might be, well, longer.
[16:07] <michael-vb> sforshee, cyphermox: thanks.
[16:07] <michael-vb> (I might be back some time...)
[19:21] <cyphermox> michael-vb: AFAIK what dkms fails is at least on Fedora, but that's because AIUI they decided to not care
[19:21] <cyphermox> fwiw, you can use update-secureboot-policy --disable to do the same, but a little more user-friendly maybe
[19:22] <cyphermox> and soon this might be rendered moot, since you'll be able to sign the modules a bit more easily
[19:22] <cyphermox> currently, you need to use mokutil & openssl to generate a key and enroll it, reboot, finish the enrollment, then use kmodsign to sign, if you manage to guess what parameters it wants :)
[19:23] <socratis> cyphermox: michael-vb has left the building a couple of hours ago, but I could "deliver" your message...
[19:23] <cyphermox> socratis: thanks..
[19:24] <cyphermox> sorry, I knew something was up when my tab-completion didn't work, but I never got a part/quit message here
[19:25] <socratis> :D
[19:25] <socratis> I just happened to follow michael from the #vbox-dev channel, just to see where the conversation was going, and I ... stayed ;)
[19:27] <socratis> Anyway, if I see him tomorrow, I'll paas it along. Just out of curiosity, you mentioned that the self-signing will be rendered easier soon-enough, or did I miss something?
[19:31] <cyphermox> yes, that's what I'm working on atm
[19:32] <cyphermox> I don't know if you work on virtualbox or if you're just interested because; but the idea is that dkms should work, so we need to make sure some kind of signature happens, and that it remains secure so as not to diminish the value of secureboot
[19:34] <cyphermox> for vbox, it's not quite as critical (ie your system still works) but some wireless/ethernet drivers or even graphics make use of dkms, so it's nice when your computer still works :)
[19:35] <socratis> No, I'm not a developer (yet), I'm seriously interested. As far as I know, dkms was dropped because it wasn't working across platforms/distros.
[19:35] <socratis> But I don't want to possibly drive you to the wrong path.
[19:36] <socratis> As I said, my knowledge is surface only (if that), so I'll let the developers deal with it. Thank you so much in any event!
[20:13]  * LocutusOfBorg forwards things to michael-vb


[00:00] <[itchyjunk]> hm, it tells me it is already installed. :: https://bpa.st/2D2A
[00:00] <[itchyjunk]> but `qemu-system-riscv32` returns a `command not found`
[00:01] <sarnold> ahhhhh
[00:01] <sarnold> it must have been added to our packages after bionic
[00:01] <[itchyjunk]> ah :<
[00:23] <Heeeeelp> Hi. I can't install a package from PPA. I'm new to PPAs, not sure if I'm missing something. I'm on Ubuntu 20.04 and want to install qt4-x11 from https://launchpad.net/~rock-core/+archive/ubuntu/qt4/ . This link says that they have a package called  qt4-x11 for focal. I used the commands given to add this ppa repository, I can confirm this PPA is in
[00:23] <Heeeeelp> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ too,  but after running apt update, I still can't install it. There's no qt4-x11. https://paste.debian.net/plain/1212057
[00:24] <Heeeeelp> is launchpad updated manually or something? is it possible the ppa page is out of sync with the actual packages served?
[00:27] <dbungert> Heeeeelp: qt4-x11 looks to be the source package name.  You'll want to install one of the binary packages listed here.  https://launchpad.net/~rock-core/+archive/ubuntu/qt4/+packages
[00:29] <Bashing-om> Heeeeelp: Looks to be suspect as "Sylvain Joyeux (2020-05-10)" indicates has had no love in some time.
[00:29] <Heeeeelp> I see...you have to click View Package Details to be taken to that page that then lets you expand the package names. Thanks!
[00:30] <Heeeeelp> he's in Brazil, I'm sure he can find love in the wrong places if he wanted
[00:35] <sarnold> honestly, for qt4, it probably hasn't had any chances in years anyway, right?
[00:35] <sarnold> s/chances/changes/
[00:36] <sarnold> I think upstream was done with qt4 something like five years ago
[00:36] <sarnold> I'm not good with time, that's a guess :)
[00:37] <Heeeeelp> you're correct, probably 5 years ago. but I have an old app that still uses it and wanted to run it on Ubuntu 20.04.
[00:39] <Heeeeelp> the alternative wouldnt be updating the code, it would be having to run a VM
[00:40] <sarnold> or maybe lxd container / snap / etc kind of thing
[00:42] <Heeeeelp> I would have thought apt-file (to list/search contents of packages) would include any apt package, including PPA. But after apt installing libqtcore4, then running "sudo apt-file update" and "apt-file list libqtcore4" I get nothing
[00:42] <Heeeeelp> yeah, well the 1st step to run it in a snap would be to get my hands on those libraries :)
[00:45] <Heeeeelp> oh, locate gives me the same thing. Those packages might just be broken
[00:46] <sarnold> hrm. I kinda expected apt-file to work with ppas too, but now I realize I'm not sure..
[00:46] <Heeeeelp> nm, I see files with "dpkg -L libqtcore4".
[00:46] <sarnold> locate only works if you've got the packages installed and there's been a updatedb run after it was installed
[00:46] <Heeeeelp> so it's only apt-file and locate that dont. Perhaps a manifest or whatever is missing from the PPA packages.
[00:47] <Heeeeelp> sarnold: you're right, I see something when I run updatedb manually. I thought it would've run automatically after an apt install
[00:48] <Heeeeelp> *i see something in "locate libqtcore4"
[00:49] <sarnold> Heeeeelp: normally it runs overnight.. it can take hours to run, so it's best it doesn't run after every apt install / upgrade / purge :)
[00:50] <Heeeeelp> really, hours? it took less than a second for me
[00:51] <sarnold> yeah, I've got a system with a few hundred million files on it
[00:51] <sarnold> maybe billions? I forget. it takes an eternity to count them :)
[00:55] <Heeeeelp> I'm afraid to  ask :)
[00:55] <Heeeeelp> but I will. What kind of files?
[00:56] <sarnold> I've unpacked all the source packages for everything in ubuntu
[00:58] <Heeeeelp> are you trying to do Ubuntu development?
[01:02] <Unit193> updatedb has a cron or timer entry, but I'd recommend plocate over mlocate as it's much faster.
[01:03] <sarnold> Heeeeelp: sort of; I usually use it to search for vulnerabilities
[01:03] <sarnold> plocate is magic goodness
[01:03] <Heeeeelp> I see. good luck
[01:04] <sarnold> d'oh. I wanted to find out how long plocate takes to output something, and the first thing I searched for was taking forever because it was too common and flooding my ssh connection..
[01:04] <Heeeeelp> wow, 6GB of RAM wasnt enough to compile the old app. I used to build it on a desktop with 4GB . I guess gcc improvements need more memory
[01:04] <sarnold> the second thing I searched for went *way* faster because the database had already been loaded in memory. kinda wrecked my attempt to time it :)
[01:05] <sarnold> Heeeeelp: yeah :/ it's usually useful to reduce parallelism during builds
[01:05] <Heeeeelp> first thing I did, even with a singular "make" it ran out of RAM on one file
[01:05] <sarnold> anyway, I think locate doesnotexist would take something like a minute and a half on that system; plocate doesnotexist runs in seconds on a cold database and nearly instantly on a hot one
[01:06] <Heeeeelp> I have more RAM normally but I'm in the middle of an RMA for my 2nd memory stick which died on me. Guess I'll wait a few days.
[01:06] <sarnold> $ time locate doesnotexist | wc -l
[01:06] <sarnold> 263
[01:06] <sarnold> real	0m0.022s
[01:06] <sarnold> Heeeeelp: ouch :(
[01:08] <Heeeeelp> appreciate the help, I'm gonna go eat!
[01:08] <sarnold> enjoy :)
[02:01] <wroathe> Is there a straightforward way to install just a single packages man pages without unminimizing?
[02:02] <wroathe> I've got a docker container here, and I'm installing tcpdump to to do some debugging, and getting access to the man page for this system required running unminimize, which takes like 5 minutes
[02:03] <Guest17> This exists: https://manpages.ubuntu.com
[02:04] <wroathe> Yeah, I suppose. It always seems like there's a mismatch between web man pages and the man pages that correspond to a package for a particular version though
[02:05] <wroathe> But I see that Ubuntu now has it by distro version
[02:05] <wroathe> So thanks for the recommendation, Guest17
[02:07] <sarnold> WrathOfAchilles: I very much like the 'dman' program
[02:07] <sarnold> WrathOfAchilles: sigh. sorry. you already know about dman :)
[02:51] <Unit193> sarnold: Yes, though I don't think it's common to know of it, or the other tools in debian-goodies.
[03:37] <pycurious> I want to run a program (server listening at port) on bootup ? What is the right place to put this server?
[04:03] <Hash> pycurious: systemd service
[05:07] <Tolki> Hello there
[05:08] <Tolki> I have a quick question. I have an issue with Gnome Terminal where the window gets smaller and smaller every time I alt tab to it/click it. I'm not finding any solution to it online.
[05:08] <Tolki> What would be a well maintained and very stable terminal emulator alternative?
[05:08] <Tolki> (with tabs)
[05:17] <alkisg> Tolki: sudo adduser user2; logout; login as user2; check if the problem happens there; if yes, it's a system problem, if not, it's a user settings problem => which means you could get rid of it by restoring some settings
[05:18] <alkisg> Or, mate-terminal :)
[05:18] <Tolki> Close enough, just tried Konsole and I don't have this problem with it
[05:19] <Tolki> I just want something stable and well maintained so I think Konsole should fit the bill
[05:20] <Tolki> alkisg it's definitely likely a settings problem, I'm using gTile with a few other extensions and that might be causing an issue
[05:20] <Tolki> still, I don't have this issue with other terminal emulators (tested Alacrity and Konsole)
[05:20] <alkisg> mate-terminal is gtk3 based => less library dependencies for your setup
[05:44] <obby> Hey
[05:45] <bittin> hi
[05:45] <obby> I have a ubuntu 20.04 LTS Desktop install that I use as a server that has a LUKS for the main drive and I had to clear its CMOS to clear up some GPU problems but this erased my EFI settings
[05:45] <obby> is there an easy way to restore the proper efi?
[05:46] <obby> it used to boot into this ubuntu imaged thing and ask for the decryption key and then go to a ubuntu login but now it loads GRUB and then just fails to boot never asking for decrypt key
[07:28] <TJ-> obby: yes, there is a way to fix it, starting from booting a LiveISO and using the 'Try...' option
[08:07] <Nicho1as> Hello, I'd like to build a program on Ubuntu 21.04 with a couple of optional libraries but the dependencies are conflicting.. libvulkan-dev depends on libvulkan1 (= <IP_ADDRESS>-1) but qtbase5-private-dev eventually depends on libvulkan1 (>= <IP_ADDRESS>)\
[08:08] <Nicho1as> Should I file a ticket on an issue tracker?
[08:11] <Nicho1as> Should I just upgrade to 21.10?
[08:13] <toddc> Nicho1as: stick around till someone better than me can answer
[08:13] <Nicho1as> toddc: Okay, Thank you toddc
[08:19] <locsmif> Does Ubuntu 21.04 (Hirsute) support different font scaling setting per monitor already?
[08:22] <locsmif> Hmm, I should be asking this in #kubuntu, my apologies
[08:47] <raddy> Hello
[08:50] <raddy> I am finding that ubuntu becoming more and more slower upon eacher new version
[08:50] <raddy> Would fresh install help ?
[08:55] <Mekaneck> raddy: I never experienced Ubuntu, or any other distro, becoming slower in the 14+ years i used them.
[08:57] <toddc> raddy: If we assume a few things each new version is a bit bigger with more tools bigger and better programs on a older computer
[08:59] <toddc> a clean install may help a bit or fix a issue --I prefer clean installs
[09:02] <raddy> Mekaneck: Do you upgrade to newer versions ?
[09:03] <Mekaneck> yep
[09:03] <raddy> Mekaneck: Great
[10:21] <faekjarz> hi! Am i doing something wrong? I thought i'm supposed to have 2 storage devices on my new Optane H10. I'm running it on AMD B550, in a PCIe riser/adapter card.
[10:27] <lotuspsychje> faekjarz: can you pastebin inxi -F please?
[10:28] <faekjarz> lotuspsychje: i might, one moment please
[10:36] <faekjarz> lotuspsychje: are you looking for anything specific? I'm hesitant to publish a fingerprint of my box. In the Drives section, there's only the NAND portion of that H10 listed.
[10:37] <lotuspsychje> lets see the whole log please, im curious
[10:37] <Lumpio-> The hackers will get you if you "fingerprint your box"?
[10:39] <lotuspsychje> systeminfo wont expose you much
[10:40] <faekjarz> i'd like to learn what you are looking for - the composition of hardware, version numbers, mac addresses, that's faily personal data
[10:41] <Lumpio-> Hardware revisions are boring ans surely you spoof your MAC id you're security conscious
[10:43] <faekjarz> i'd rather not discuss my privacy choices, and focus on debugging Optane H10 on AMD B550 ;)
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> so, how about your dmesg in a paste faekjarz
[10:50] <faekjarz> you obviously desire a troll reputation, lotuspsychje
[10:51] <lotuspsychje> faekjarz: you come here asking for ubuntu help, but refuse to share details of any kind, good luck with that
[11:05] <faekjarz> there you go https://pastebin.com/h3aTfkCz i hope that motivates you to tell me what exactly you are looking for, lotuspsychje
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> faekjarz: i see 3 nvme's in there, are you saying your intel one only shows 1 instead of 2?
[11:09] <faekjarz> yes, because Optane H10 ist intel - noone else sells Optane
[11:10] <lotuspsychje> faekjarz: did you check gnome-disks to see if its partitioned right?
[11:13] <faekjarz> there's 1 Windows reserved, 1 NTFS, and free space - all summs up to the QLC part of the H10 - the whole visible capacity is NOT 256+16GB ...that tells me that i'm still not seeing the 3dXpoint portion
[11:15] <faekjarz> that's how the H10 came out of the box - a bit odd, that they'd format it with NTFS - usually new storage is blank
[11:17] <faekjarz> i've double-checkt the item description - it's new/pulled from working & wiped - SMART reports only 1 whole drive write
[12:28] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:12] <AikenDrum> Hi all, Does anyone know the name of the Kubuntu group that is the equivalent of Fedora's lock group ?
[13:18] <AikenDrum> Hello, anyone there ?
[13:25] <Mekaneck> !patience | AikenDrum
[13:27] <AikenDrum> oes anyone know the Kubuntu equivalent of the Fedora lock group ?
[13:32] <Mekaneck> AikenDrum: i asked you to be patient
[13:33] <AikenDrum> I was also asked to repeat my question quickly. ??
[13:33] <Mekaneck> Not
[13:33] <Mekaneck> and this is not the place to ask imho since it's a Ubuntu support channel
[13:34] <oerheks> well, why would kubuntu have it and ubuntu not?
[13:35] <AikenDrum> ubottu: AikenDrum: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or https://ubuntuforums.org or https://askubuntu.com/  I am using Kubuntu 2.04.1
[13:35] <oerheks> anyway, i used bing but i think debian/ubuntu does not have the same functionality as fedora lock group?
[13:38] <AikenDrum> @oerheks: I don't know. I'm just trying to fin out this equivalent group in Kubuntu.
[13:38] <Mekaneck> AikenDrum: take it over to #ubuntu-discuss please
[13:38] <oerheks> or #Kubuntu ?
[13:39] <Mekaneck> oerheks: not much activity there
[13:39] <Mekaneck> maybe he can ask on askubuntu.com or the forums
[13:40] <AikenDrum> @Mekaneck: OK  @oerheks: OK
[13:56] <goddard> it apears desktop notifications in firefox don't resolve to your gnome workspace as well?
[13:59] <nuxnoob> installed mx19 it keeps borking my seperate ntfs drive
[14:00] <nuxnoob> when i copy files to it i get i/o erros and then i cant read superblock
[14:00] <leftyfb> nuxnoob: what is mx19?
[14:00] <nuxnoob> boot to winpe chkdsk fixes it or gets no error
[14:00] <leftyfb> goddard: this is as close as it gets https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/gnome-download-notifications/
[14:00] <oerheks> mx19 is not ubuntu, they have their own channel
[14:01] <nuxnoob> mx19 is a debian fork
[14:01] <oerheks> so?
[14:01] <leftyfb> nuxnoob: ok, please seek support from mx19
[14:01] <nuxnoob> thought you might help
[14:01] <oerheks> we don't want to give wrong advise
[14:01] <leftyfb> nuxnoob: you are not running ubuntu or even a distro based on ubuntu.
[14:02] <nuxnoob> same filesystem no
[14:02] <leftyfb> nuxnoob: please seek support from mx19
[14:14] <Hash> Is there a way to get redshift to be always on, instead of only night time?
[14:14] <Hash> a lot of times I keep my room dark and the monitor light is too bright and burnsmy eyes
[14:15] <Hash> and redshift uses long/lat to determine the time of day and turns on/off
[14:15] <Hash> I want to keep it on all the time
[14:18] <Hash> logically if I set day/night to be the same, then it doesn't matter wht the software thinks the time is
[14:18] <Hash> I can probably set brightness/temp settings to be the same for night/day in redshift.conf ok hm
[15:34] <iomari891> greetings, my 20.04 installation has iptables legacy running.I also see that iptbles-nft is installed. How can I switch to iptabls-nft and if I do will all my current rules work seemlessly?
[16:03] <oerheks> iomari891, install nftables and enable nftables.service
[16:04] <oerheks> some info; https://www.linode.com/docs/guides/how-to-use-nftables/
[16:07] <CapnKernel> Hello.  I have a server running hirsute.  I'd like to install keycloak, which says "make sure you have OpenJDK 1.8 or newer installed".  What packages do I need to install for this?
[16:08] <CapnKernel> apt search openjdk shows me openjdk-17-jre.  How close or far is that to what I need?
[16:10] <oerheks> !info  openjdk-8-jdk hirsute
[16:11] <CapnKernel> Thank you.  What version of OpenJDK will that give me?
[16:12] <CapnKernel> And why not openjdk-17-jre?  Isn't 17 higher (newer?) than 8?
[16:13] <oerheks> 17 = 7
[16:14] <CapnKernel> So 18 = 8?
[16:16] <oerheks> yes?
[16:19] <CapnKernel> So the numbering went 11 15 16 17 8??? https://bpa.st/WTBA
[16:27] <CapnKernel> Perhaps it's covered here, sigh.  https://dzone.com/articles/a-guide-to-java-versions-and-features
[16:32] <oerheks> oh, openjdk 17 just released,
[16:33] <oerheks> dunno about that keycloak, there is a snap version though https://snapcraft.io/keycloak-standalone-spicule
[16:38] <timvisher> Is there any way to have apt be more verbose about it's download speeds during updates and installs?
[16:38] <timvisher> I'm looking for something similar to what snap currently does by default which is emitting a log message with the current speed periodically.
[16:41] <timvisher> apt _does_ emit a summary at the end of the operation but I need it while the operation is ongoing. The summary looks like `Fetched 21.9 MB in 4s (5,622 kB/s)`, for instance.
[16:41] <tieinv> Fetched 7,332 kB in 6s (1,229 kB/s)
[16:56] <arash> Hello, when i try apt install it tries to install php7.2 and apache and some other things, how can i install php7.4 with some php modules only and not apache2?
[16:57] <arash> I tried apt install php
[16:57] <arash> E: Couldn't find any package by glob 'php7.4'
[16:58] <arash> when i try  apt install php7.4 i see that ^^
[17:02] <toddc> arash: apt will try to install any dependcies needed by the program you are trying to install
[17:03] <arash> so apache2 is a "dependcies needed by PHP" ?
[17:03] <oerheks> arash, for bionic 18.04?
[17:03] <arash> isn't it possible to run php with nginx?
[17:03] <oerheks> use the ondrej ppa perhaps? DMP (~textual@django/moderator/EvilDMP) has joined
[17:03] <oerheks> err
[17:03] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/ubuntu/php/+index?field.series_filter=bionic&batch=75&memo=75&start=75
[17:03] <arash> oerheks, yes, added that repo and fixed. thank you
[17:22] <a_> hi, people.
[17:23] <a_> i'm new at irc.
[17:24] <leftyfb> !support | a_
[17:25] <a_> any sugestion about irc channels? and where to learn about the commandas?
[17:25] <leftyfb> a_: this is a support channel. If you have a support question, please explain it in detail here
[17:26] <oerheks> see https://libera.chat/guides/ or join #libera for irc help?
[17:26] <a_> sorry! as i said i'm new in irc. if it's no the right place to put the question about irc, please i'm sorry.
[17:27] <leftyfb> a_: type:    /join #libera
[17:27] <a_> thank you very much for your info.
[17:28] <a_> i'll try to learn more about the commands and return bacck latter. thanks for your help, people. bye.
[17:42] <ioria> arash, btw, you could also install 'php-fpm' and it will install php7.2 without apache
[17:49] <Kobaz> what would cause a slow ssh login time on a brand new ubuntu server?
[17:50] <Kobaz> dns?
[17:50] <Kobaz> mm yeah looks like it
[17:52] <tech_> yo
[17:52] <tech_> wassuo
[18:12] <GWM> Hi I'm trying to set crypto policies via crypto-policies package via Ansible and I'm looking for the correct way to do it, if I set future as a policy on Ubuntu I get rid of CBC which is what I want, for RHEL like I have to set a .pmod file in /etc/crypto-policies/policies/modules/, but say I wanted to disable more ciphers in Ubuntu, naturally I set off to create the same policy in Ubuntu but I keep getting "Unknown policy property: ssh_cipher\nErrors found in
[18:12] <GWM> policy" on Ubuntu when I try to apply it, the manpage haven't been very helpful, I tried creating local.d in /etc/crpyto-policies/ and playing the module there, but I get the same error
[18:13] <GWM> The content of the .pmod file is simply "ssh_cipher = -AES-128-CBC -AES-256-CBC"
[18:14] <GWM> (Which works splendidly on RHEL/CentOS/Fedora)
[18:15] <GWM> So my question is really, how do I set custom crypto policies in Ubuntu?
[18:16] <GWM> Or is it that just this property is unavailable in Ubuntu?
[18:29] <GWM> (Ubuntu Server 20.04.03)
[19:06] <sarnold> GWM: as far as I'm aware there's no crypto-policies support in ubuntu yet. I have to admit I don't understand how we have imported the packages from debian but don't actually support it, but it sure feels like it ought to be possible to do. I just don't know how, learning it has been on my todo list for ages
[19:11] <GWM> sarnold, fair enough, I already had what I needed for my homelab, but curiosity piqued my interest
[19:11] <GWM> setting the policy to FUTURE is good enough on 20.04 at least
[19:14] <sarnold> GWM: lol FUTURE :D
[19:15] <GWM> That's what the policy is called
[19:15] <GWM> and yes, it has to be in caps
[19:17] <GWM> (no, not a joke, the file is called FUTURE.pol and under RHEL at least it exists under  /usr/share/crypto-policies/policies/FUTURE.pol)
[19:17] <GWM> I checked Ubuntu Server and it's in the same place with the same name
[19:18] <GWM> For anyone reading this and is curious, I recommend the RH documentation: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/8/html/security_hardening/using-the-system-wide-cryptographic-policies_security-hardening
[19:20] <GWM> Typical use case is hardening an env from reports from vulnerability scans and security compliances scans, a more practical example is allowing your Linux server to talk to an older Active Directory LDAPS instance, in which case you may have to set LEGACY depending on when it was installed
[19:22] <sarnold> GWM: man that's nice. that's a thousand times nicer than trying to edit the openssl.cnf file.
[19:23] <a_> #ubuntu-br
[19:25] <a_> #ubuntu-br: sorry. i think it's no the right place.
[19:29] <GWM> sarnold, it sure is, it was such an ease of use item that I thought the original source was actually Canonical, but I guess I was wrong!
[19:30] <sarnold> GWM: oh wow :D
[19:31] <ezakimak> I have a working system. I'd like to be able to install a base ubuntu image on another system, then update that new system to the exact same package versions on the first system. what's are the best ways to do that?
[19:32] <GWM> ezakimak, just packages or config too? (thinking XDG compliant)
[19:32] <ezakimak> I can handle copying the configs myself, I already know exactly which ones, I have a setup script that does that already
[19:33] <ezakimak> my biggest issue is being able to reproduce a stable set of package versions, there's several upstream repos I'm pulling from for various things
[19:35] <sarnold> ezakimak: perhaps dpkg --get-selections on one machine, dpkg --set-selections on the other machine, and then apt install -f
[19:36] <ezakimak> looking at that output I don't see any versions included
[19:37] <GWM> Hmmm... Getting the list is easier than installing the same list, but I'm not an expert on APT, I'd do dpkg --list and regex the results
[20:18] <ubuntu_user> bye, people. be well.
[22:20] <ostenson> Hey guys, I just installed Google Chrome using the "sudo apt install ./google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb"
[22:20] <ostenson> I noticed this line on the terminal "N: Download is performed unsandboxed as root as file '/home/user/google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb' couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permission denied"
[22:20] <ostenson> Even though Chrome was installed and everything appears to be working fine. I just want to know if this might cause some problems in the future?
[22:26] <sarnold> ostenson: it only affects the apt installation step, where it fell back to doing everything as root, same as apt worked for two decades before the new _apt user was introduced
[22:26] <sarnold> ostenson: it's pretty harmless
[22:28] <Eickmeyer> ostenson: To dovetail on what sarnold said, "N:" means Note, "W:" means Warning, and "E:" means error. Notes are harmless and purely informational, warnings are mostly harmless (but should be fixed, usually), and errors mean something broke.
[22:46] <ostenson> sarnold Eickmeyer Thanks guys for the help, really appreciate it.
[22:46] <sarnold> you're welcome ostenson :)
[22:59] <watchcatss> ejejjs
[22:59] <watchcatss> hallo
[22:59] <sarnold> hello
[22:59] <watchcatss> where you from?
[23:01] <catssss> wowww
[23:47] <Nicho1as> Hello, I'd like to build a program on Ubuntu 21.04 with a couple of optional libraries but the dependencies are conflicting.. libvulkan-dev depends on libvulkan1 (= <IP_ADDRESS>-1) but qtbase5-private-dev eventually depends on libvulkan1 (>= <IP_ADDRESS>). \
[23:47] <Nicho1as> Should I file a ticket on an issue tracker or upgrade to 21.10?
[23:48] <sarnold> where is the conflict?
[23:49] <Nicho1as> dependencies want to install both libvulkan-dev and libvulkan1 but the version requirement from libvulkan-dev about libvulkan1 is not allowing the install
[23:49] <Nicho1as> Actually, I should try apt update today since the issue occurred yesterday
[23:50] <sarnold> <IP_ADDRESS>-1 is greater than or equal to <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:50] <sarnold> maybe pastebin the entire command and error message
[23:50] <Sintia> Hello. Have a problems with ubuntu 21.04 fresh install.
[23:50] <Nicho1as> oh you're right. ok I'll make a pastebin
[23:51] <Sintia> 1st -   su:system error   2nd: user is not i the sudoers file
[23:51] <Sintia> please help
[23:52] <sarnold> Sintia: heh, same thing I guess, pastebin what commands you're running and the errors you're getting..
[23:52] <Sintia> these are the errors
[23:53] <Sintia> the commands that i write are Su and sudo
[23:53] <Sintia> :(
[23:55] <Nicho1as> sarnold: here is the pastebin https://pastebin.com/HEk0LJ5d
[23:55] <sarnold> Sintia: there's no Su command, so that's easy..
[23:56] <sarnold> Sintia: there's no Su command, so that's easy.. try 'su' instead
[23:56] <sarnold> Sintia: there's also no root password by default, so it'll be good for switching to other users, but not so good for switching to root
[23:56] <Nicho1as> it turns out libvulkan1 had already been installed for other packages. I wish I could downgrade it to <IP_ADDRESS>-1
[23:56] <Nicho1as> I hope I can
[23:56] <Sintia> sorry to tell that i know that there is not Su command is Su only in the Irchat
[23:57] <sarnold> Sintia: ah. that's why it's a good idea to copy and paste things into a pastebin site :)
[23:57] <Sintia> awweeeehhh
[23:58] <sarnold> Nicho1as: I bet an apt-cache policy libvulkan1 libvulkan-dev  will show the issue -- my guess is that you've got a third-party apt source configured that provides a different libvulkan1 etc


[02:48] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: have you had any luck with investigating the startup scripts?
[03:47] <asac> uff ... just send mail about mobile browser ;)
[03:48] <asac> hope its at least a bit comprehensible :)
[03:49] <asac> setting up the bzr repo ... was just a pita :-D ... but i learn
[04:12] <agoliveira> kylem: Hi. Just checking: do you have any news about the kernel for UME or have you already passed the ball completely to Amit?
[04:13] <kylem> i've passed it to amit, a UME flavour should be in the next upload
[04:14] <agoliveira> Cool. Do you know when it will be?
[04:19] <kylem> soon? not today because ben is off.
[04:20] <agoliveira> Right. Thanks.
[04:33] <ian_brasil> ola
[06:18] <mdz> agoliveira: how big is the a clean, current gutsy chroot with ubuntu-mobile installed?
[06:20] <agoliveira> mdz: Currently, 360M
[06:21] <mdz> agoliveira: thanks
[06:22] <agoliveira> mdz: my pleasure
[08:16] <agoliveira> mdz: I just remembred that today is 4/07, national holiday in US.
[08:16] <agoliveira> I'll try to poke the guys anyway.
[08:20] <agoliveira> mdz: Anyway, I'm preparing an email.
[08:45] <agoliveira> Any Intel folks around?
[10:42] <agoliveira> amitk: ping?
[10:47] <amitk> agoliveira: pong
[10:48] <agoliveira> amitk: Can you spend a few minutes? I need an update on the UME kernel status.
[10:48] <amitk> yes
[10:48] <agoliveira> Nice. So how is it?
[10:49] <amitk> kyle created a draft version of the kernel config
[10:49] <amitk> I will take that and hack it further once I am done with the Gutsy kernel release
[10:49] <amitk> this should happen sometime tomorrow.
[10:50] <agoliveira> Nice. So can we expect a first binary for tomorrow or later?
[10:51] <amitk> I will also be starting the PowerManagementPolicy spec for MID tomorrow. This will based on the document from Intel
[10:51] <amitk> we should be able to try to get a kernel binary by Friday
[10:51] <agoliveira> Can you list me the modifications aplied?
[10:52] <amitk> I don't have it right now
[10:52] <amitk> I have to look at what Kyle has already done
[10:53] <agoliveira> Can send it to me by email, then? I need this by tomorrow mornignfor a conference call.
[10:53] <amitk> what time do you ned it by?
[10:53] <amitk> s/ned/need
[10:54] <agoliveira> I need that by 1500UTC
[10:55] <amitk> agoliveira: I should be able to manage that. I will prioritize it tomorrow morning
[10:55] <agoliveira> Great, thanks.
[10:56] <amitk> np


[07:30] <sil2100> didrocks: hi
[07:31] <sil2100> didrocks: I just now noticed that hm, the org.compiz.* (like unityshell) schemas are not visible when doing `gsettings list-schemas`
[07:32] <didrocks> hey hey sil2100
[07:32] <didrocks> hum, you did install them?
[07:32] <didrocks> do they appear in dconf-editor?
[07:32] <sil2100> didrocks: they're accessible through dconf and dconf-editor, they're also visible in the glib directory
[07:32] <sil2100> didrocks: but the gsettings program doesn't notice them...
[07:32] <didrocks> interesting
[07:32] <didrocks> let me see
[07:33] <didrocks> sil2100: did you try to get them manually, with gsettings?
[07:35] <sil2100> didrocks: yes, when I try fetching them manually through gsettings get, I can access them - but only when I give the path after the :, i.e. org.compiz.core:/usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas
[07:35] <didrocks> hum hum, so something is wrong in the generated schema I would say
[07:36] <didrocks> sil2100: did you opened the schema file and try to compare with a valid one?
[07:36] <sil2100> didrocks: I'll do it again, maybe I missed something yesterday
[07:37] <sil2100> Ah
[07:37] <sil2100> didrocks: I see now that hm, our compiz schemas are missing the path= tag in <schema>
[07:38] <sil2100> While all the other ones seem to have that
[07:38] <didrocks> sil2100: yeah, it's needed
[07:38] <sil2100> didrocks: but could that be the case?
[07:38] <didrocks> ah
[07:38] <didrocks> no
[07:38] <didrocks> ok, got you
[07:38] <didrocks> indeed, you won't have it
[07:38] <didrocks> because it's a relocatable schema
[07:38] <didrocks> sil2100: http://developer.gnome.org/gio/2.28/GSettings.html
[07:39] <didrocks> read the description
[07:39] <didrocks> so I guess they would appear with  gsettings list-relocatable-schemas
[07:40] <sil2100> Ah, right, now it makes sense
[07:40] <sil2100> didrocks: thanks!
[07:41] <didrocks> sil2100: yw!
[07:41] <didrocks> sil2100: so, I would say
[07:41] <didrocks> sil2100: as the current profile will be unity
[07:41] <didrocks> when you transition the values
[07:41] <didrocks> do it for the current profile
[07:42] <didrocks> sil2100: if you need any help with this transition, do not hesitate to ping me :)
[07:42] <sil2100> didrocks: yes, so I need to give the unity profile path after the :
[07:42] <sil2100> didrocks: since I was wondering why it didn't find the schema - just learned about it being a relocatable one ;)
[07:45] <didrocks> sil2100: well, don't give the unity profile, try to get the current one rather
[07:46] <didrocks> if it's possible with the migration tool
[07:46] <didrocks> or rather
[07:46] <didrocks> no, in fact, even better
[07:46] <didrocks> we know the old profile and the new one
[07:46] <didrocks> and both are separated
[07:46] <didrocks> hum, there is some logic needed in the shell script in fact
[07:46] <didrocks> sil2100: can you do a hangout, like in 30 minutes?
[07:47] <didrocks> will be easier to explain it that way :)
[07:47] <sil2100> didrocks: I think I could ;)
[07:47] <didrocks> sil2100: ok, let's do this then, I'll ping you back
[07:51] <sil2100> didrocks: ok - in the meantime I need to understand why org.compiz.core doesn't work but org.freedesktop.compiz.core does... ;)
[07:52] <didrocks> sil2100: ah, there was a late renaming, so maybe some parts weren't migrated?
[07:55] <sil2100> didrocks: but its strange, since the gsettings schema have org.compiz.core - but the gsettings-data-convert cannot find it in this form
[07:55] <sil2100> didrocks: even though grepping does not find any org.freedesktop.compiz.* schemas there
[07:56] <didrocks> sil2100: greeping for freedesktop ?
[07:56] <didrocks> grepping*
[07:56] <didrocks> look at the full tree
[07:57] <sil2100> didrocks: yes, I was grepping for freedesktop - I only got some non-compiz results
[07:58] <sil2100> Strange
[08:00] <didrocks> sil2100: are you sure that after your installation, the schemas were recompiled?
[08:13] <sil2100> didrocks: ah, hm, do I need to do it explicitly?
[08:13] <sil2100> didrocks: I mean, should I slap glib-compile-schemas in debian/rules ?
[08:13] <sil2100> didrocks: (or maybe a postinst script)
[08:14] <sil2100> didrocks: since I see Timo only copies the schema files, so indeed compilation is missing if it's not done automatically
[08:14] <didrocks> sil2100: no, if you did install the package, it's fine
[08:14] <didrocks> and done for you
[08:15] <didrocks> as a dpkg trigger
[08:15] <didrocks> if they are installed in the right spot, of course :)
[08:15] <didrocks> where are they installed?
[08:15] <sil2100> /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/*.xml
[08:15] <sil2100> didrocks: that's the right place, right?
[08:15] <didrocks> sounds goo
[08:15] <didrocks> good
[08:16] <didrocks> try to compile them by hand
[08:16] <didrocks> to see if it persists or refresh
[08:17] <didrocks> like
[08:17] <didrocks> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/glib-2.0/glib-compile-schemas /usr/share/g
[08:17] <didrocks> lib-2.0/schemas
[08:18] <sil2100> didrocks: used /usr/bin/glib-compile-schemas and hm, it still doesn't find org.compiz.unityshell but finds org.freedesktop.compiz.unityshell
[08:19] <sil2100> This is absurd
[08:19] <didrocks> sil2100: ok, hangout?
[08:20] <sil2100> didrocks: one minute please ;)
[08:25] <sil2100> didrocks: ok, ready
[08:53] <mhr3> sil2100, can you update the packaging for files-lens to use vala 0.16? see https://code.launchpad.net/~mhr3/unity-lens-files/bump-valac-req/+merge/115902
[08:54] <mhr3> sil2100, actually, let's do it for all lenses
[08:56] <mhr3> the other merge requests will pop up soonish
[11:33] <sil2100> didrocks: after I do a non --dry-run gsettings-data-convert, how can I reset it so that I can migrate the same file again?
[11:35] <didrocks> sil2100: it's the file I pointed you at in the hangout: ~/.local/share/gsettings-data-convert, edit it and remove the migration filename in the key
[11:36] <sil2100> didrocks: ah! Thanks, I found it - since I was looking in my home directory while in the chroot I'm running as root
[11:36] <sil2100> ...;)
[11:37] <didrocks> yw ;)
[14:01] <MCR> didrocks: Hi. Got a question again: I've setup a standalone Compiz session combined with Unity-2d, because Unity-3d is slowing down everything on 3 displays too much. Now "Super" minimizes the active/selected window. Where can this shortcut come from and how can I turn it off ?
[14:03] <didrocks> MCR: I think you should see this shorcuts in gnome-control-center
[14:03] <didrocks> so tweaking them there shold work
[14:03] <didrocks> but -2d is not tested or support with compiz
[14:03] <didrocks> so a world of warning :)
[14:05] <mhr3> sil2100, ehm, did you get my msg about lenses? my internet is weird today, and xchat's log is even weirder... :/
[14:05] <MCR> didrocks: Many bugs I had with Compiz vanished, but I got some new ones instead :P - I know that my special configs are not supported (I wish they would be), thanks for the warning :)
[14:06] <didrocks> MCR: good luck and if you can find anything that can be upstreamed to make your life better, do not hesitate ;)
[14:09] <sil2100> mhr3: ah, I see it now! Sorry, it got lost in all this haste ;) I'll write it down and deal with it on Monday morning - since right now I'm in a hassle with the compiz gsettings migration stuff
[14:10] <mhr3> sil2100, k
[14:10]  * mhr3 is happy to know that the internet somewhat works
[14:11] <mhr3> xchat... not so much
[14:25] <sil2100> didrocks: the gsettings .convert files - where should the package install them so that we can then use them when migrate.py is run?
[14:26] <sil2100> didrocks: I set the path temporarily to /opt/migrate/
[14:26] <sil2100> didrocks: but where you think it should go in reality?
[14:31] <didrocks> sil2100: I would put them to where I put the unity-migration tool in the past
[14:35]  * sil2100 searches
[14:36] <didrocks> sil2100: look at the history, I removed it in a recent commit (like less than a month)
[14:37] <sil2100> didrocks: in the unity package that was?
[14:39] <didrocks> sil2100: in the upstream tree
[14:40] <sil2100> didrocks: do you mean like /usr/lib/unity/ ?
[14:41] <didrocks> yeah, I guess I put it there
[14:41] <didrocks> using some CMakeries
[14:41] <didrocks> that's why, just look around, it should still work :)
[14:41] <sil2100> didrocks: can I put both the .convert files and the migrate.py script there ;) ?
[14:42] <didrocks> sil2100: no, the convert file should be in the packaging as we have helper to install them in the right directory
[14:43] <didrocks> one sec, let me see how it works
[14:44] <didrocks> sil2100: no, I dreamt, we don't have any magic
[14:44] <didrocks> so put the two files in the same source
[14:44] <sil2100> ;)
[14:44] <sil2100> didrocks: you mean, *.convert ?
[14:45] <didrocks> and yeah, you can install the .convert here as well, as we don't want some autopicking by gsettings-data-convert but piloting it
[14:45] <didrocks> yeah
[14:45] <didrocks> so the 5 files to be exact :)
[14:46] <didrocks> sil2100: hum, your python had a lot of cruft :)
[14:46] <sil2100> 5 files into /usr/lib/unity then ;)?
[14:47] <sil2100> didrocks: it's been a while since I last wrote anything in python... ;p
[14:47] <didrocks> sil2100: I would use /usr/lib/unity/migration
[14:47] <sil2100> Ok!
[14:47] <didrocks> sil2100: I mean, even the print talks about reset
[14:47] <sil2100> I wanted to know what's going on... ;)
[14:48] <didrocks> sil2100: yeah, but you can change my print for unity speaking about reset to something more sensible :)
[14:48] <didrocks> hum
[14:48] <didrocks> current_profile_gconfvalue isn't attributed
[14:49] <didrocks> did it really run for you?
[14:49] <sil2100> didrocks: hm, yes, but it had the fallback to 'unity' then
[14:49] <sil2100> didrocks: so true, indeed it's probably broken still!
[14:50] <didrocks> it is broken, you remove the fallback and didn't set the value
[14:50] <didrocks> i'm fixing it
[14:50] <didrocks> please test it first next time :)
[14:50] <sil2100> didrocks: yes, please - I simply hacked it fast since I had to do those .convert files, and I'm a bit stressed with the deadline ;)
[14:51] <didrocks> I guess even that ; wasn't really appreciated by the interpreter :)
[14:51] <sil2100> didrocks: well, from what I remember python didn't really mind ; at the end ;p
[14:51] <sil2100> didrocks: ah, my habbits... ;)
[14:52] <didrocks> oh? /me launches an ipython
[14:52] <didrocks> indeed, interesting
[14:54] <sil2100> didrocks: I remember reading about that somewhere - it seems python is forgiving for C coders ;)
[14:55] <didrocks> sil2100: a little bit more clean: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1101933/
[14:55] <sil2100> didrocks: thank you! ;)
[14:55] <didrocks> didn't wrap () for print, nor use os.open(), we don't really care that much in that case :)
[14:55] <didrocks> yw
[15:10] <sil2100> didrocks: hm, should I do it as we planned, i.e. with 4 .convert files, or should I detach it so that there are .convert files for compiz and .convert files for compiz-plugins-default :/ ?
[15:10] <sil2100> didrocks: therefore making the migration script deprecated?
[15:11] <sil2100> didrocks: I would personally leave it as it is
[15:11] <sil2100> didrocks: since if some plugins are not installed, then migration of non-existing settings will just silently fail anyway
[15:12] <sil2100> didrocks: and you can't really update compiz-plugins-main without updating compiz, because of the gsettings switch
[15:12] <didrocks> sil2100: oh sorry, forgot about it, it should be in compiz in fact
[15:13] <didrocks> not unity
[15:13] <didrocks> so compiz files in compiz
[15:13] <sil2100> didrocks: you think compiz would mind if we put /usr/lib/compiz/migration/ directory ?
[15:13] <didrocks> unity migration file in unity
[15:14] <didrocks> sil2100: I don't think so, better to check with daniel, but I don't think it's a blocker
[15:14] <didrocks> in case, we can move that somewhere else if needed
[15:14] <didrocks> as long as it's just a path change
[15:14] <sil2100> So... I would need hm, 8 .convert files now?
[15:14] <didrocks> sil2100: no :)
[15:14] <sil2100> 4 for unity 4 for compiz plugins?
[15:14] <didrocks> sil2100: 2 for compiz in the compiz source tree
[15:14] <didrocks> 2 in unity in the unity source tree
[15:15] <didrocks> then, the migration tool is detecting if there are the unity convert file
[15:15] <didrocks> if not, it just run the "default" profile
[15:15] <didrocks> without the unity part :)
[15:15] <sil2100> hm, wait
[15:15] <didrocks> we'll copy both compiz and unity at the same time in the archive
[15:15] <didrocks> so people will have to upgrade them at the same time
[15:16] <sil2100> didrocks: two things:
[15:17] <sil2100> didrocks: first - you want to put the convert files into source trees? Not distro?
[15:17] <didrocks> it should be in source trees
[15:17] <didrocks> as it's an upstream change
[15:17] <didrocks> and maybe other distros will be interesting in this
[15:17] <sil2100> Shit...
[15:17] <sil2100> Ok, hm
[15:18] <sil2100> didrocks: I still try to understand how 2 .convert files for unity and 2 .convert files for compiz
[15:18] <sil2100> didrocks: since right now we have 4 - one for unity profile, one for Default profile, the defaults for unity and the defaults for Default
[15:19] <didrocks> right
[15:19] <didrocks> which is all what we need
[15:19] <didrocks> move the compiz ones to compiz source tree
[15:19] <didrocks> what I call the compiz ones are "the default profile"
[15:19] <sil2100> didrocks: so, you mean you want to put the unity profile convert files into unity
[15:19] <sil2100> And the Default ones into compiz
[15:19] <sil2100> didrocks: since hm, I see that my Default profile has unityshell settings o_O
[15:19] <didrocks> sil2100: not necesserally
[15:19] <didrocks> ah that's wrong
[15:19] <didrocks> it sholdn't
[15:20] <didrocks> the default profiles should have no bits of unity
[15:20] <sil2100> Good to know, since I had no idea because of my broken configuration
[15:21] <sil2100> didrocks: anyway, the unity profile should have unityshell converts as well as some of the compiz converts, right?
[15:21] <sil2100> didrocks: so I just need to remove unityshell from the Default .convert files
[15:21] <didrocks> sil2100: right, think of them more as profiles (so the whole stack) rather than plugins :)
[15:21] <didrocks> indeed
[15:22] <sil2100> I hate Friday releases
[15:23] <didrocks> sil2100: well, try at least to get something ready and tested
[15:23] <didrocks> sil2100: as I think this will ask a lot of configuration upgrade/tests
[15:27] <didrocks> sil2100: not related but, you did pointed us to your ppa for the SRU, but the whole stack was tested and there is the green flag?
[15:29] <sil2100> didrocks: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1IYDxthUsoznC0UYhkGZ7OufnSJDdmmQ7njUE0xB2mXQ/edit# <-
[15:30] <sil2100> didrocks: it was tested, checkbox tests weren't finished for the unity + compiz + cpm whole stack, but it was mostly all green when Francis was working on it
[15:30] <sil2100> didrocks: we still have a few bug descriptions to SRU, but that'll be done later by Francis too
[15:31] <didrocks> popey: francis is not working on this anymore? ^
[15:32] <popey> fginther, ^^
[15:34] <fginther> didrocks, popey, the checkbox testing was finished
[15:34] <fginther> no new issues
[15:34] <sil2100> fginther: for SRU-1?
[15:34] <sil2100> fginther: excellent! Thanks ;)
[15:34] <sil2100> fginther: I thought you had to stop because of quantal gsettings
[15:34] <fginther> for quantal compiz, cpm, unity
[15:35] <didrocks> excellent, thanks you both :)
[15:35] <fginther> sil2100, didrocks the precise SRU tests are incomplete
[15:35] <didrocks> hum?
[15:35] <didrocks> aren't we speaking about that?
[15:36] <didrocks> fginther: what's the ETA then?
[15:36] <fginther> didrocks, one moment
[15:36] <sil2100> fginther: ah, ok, wait - so quantal gsettings tests show no new regressions, yes?
[15:36] <sil2100> fginther: since that's excellent as well ;)
[15:37] <fginther> sil2100, yes, I ran into the launcher autohide and missing desktop menubar on quantal. The autohide was workedaround via ccsm
[15:38] <sil2100> fginther: so just that? Good - since I can't reproduce the missing desktop menubar currently
[15:39] <fginther> sil2100, yes, just that
[15:42] <fginther> sil2100, didrocks, about another hour on the checkbox-unity, then I'll be done with the Precise SRU
[15:43] <didrocks> fginther: thanks! keep us posted :)
[15:43] <didrocks> seb128: FYI ^
[15:43] <fginther> that's with unity 5.14.0-0ubuntu1~test1
[15:43] <seb128> didrocks, good, thanks
[15:44] <sil2100> didrocks: so, the migrate.py script should be in compiz source trunk as well, right?
[15:44] <didrocks> sil2100: indeed, the common denominator :)
[15:45] <didrocks> and you should detect if the unity convert files are installed
[15:45] <sil2100> didrocks: with the CMakeList.txt file installing it to a session-migration aware directory?
[15:45] <didrocks> if so, run the if(profile) logique
[15:45] <didrocks> if not, just run "default active" profile
[15:45] <didrocks> sil2100: no, just keep it there without installing it
[15:45] <didrocks> it's up to upstream if one day, they want to install it (I did that for unity)
[15:46] <didrocks> sil2100: then, in the packaging, I added a .migration file facility, you just list the script and it will install it where it shold
[15:46] <didrocks> sil2100: man dh_migrations (yeah, I did a manpage ;))
[15:46] <sil2100> didrocks: ah, so for now just keep the .convert files and the migration.py tool in compiz source, and install everything through packaging?
[15:48] <sil2100> didrocks: or should the source at least install the .convert files into the respective directories?
[15:50] <didrocks> sil2100: well, I see low value of installing the .convert file without the script
[15:51] <didrocks> so maybe just ship it upstream, uninstalled, at least for other packagers to do their best with their distribution
[16:20] <didrocks> sil2100: ok, so I think really that we won't push compiz gsettings and unity today, it's friday and dangerous :)
[16:20] <didrocks> sil2100: but I think at least, the migration script should be nearly there?
[16:22] <sil2100> didrocks: yes, I'm trying to put a package together - I mean, it's put up together already, just building ;)
[16:22] <sil2100> didrocks: I'll also submit some merge requests to unity and compiz trunks
[16:22] <sil2100> didrocks: and show you all the packaging branches (with the merges cherry-picked in)
[16:23] <didrocks> sil2100: ok, you are using dh-migrations right?
[16:23] <didrocks> with the debian/*migrations file
[16:23] <didrocks> (I already used it in unity if you want to take a look)
[16:24] <didrocks> sil2100: once the package is there, there are a *lot* of migration tests to do
[16:24] <didrocks> like creating a user
[16:24] <didrocks> tweaking values like crazy (with old unity/compiz)
[16:24] <didrocks> and upgrading, logging out and logging in
[16:24] <didrocks> that tested twice with the unity session and the default session
[16:25] <sil2100> didrocks: yes :)
[16:25] <sil2100> didrocks: I know, I saw - I was basing on that
[16:25] <sil2100> didrocks: had to add dh-migration as the dep
[16:26] <didrocks> build-dep for compiz, yeah
[16:26] <didrocks> and use --with migrations
[16:26] <didrocks> sil2100: btw, is the manpage explicit?
[16:27] <sil2100> didrocks: yes, it is :) Actually it's very helpful, although the --with migrations I had to look-up at unity
[16:28] <didrocks> sil2100: sweet! :)
[16:31] <didrocks> sil2100: updated the manpage FYI
[16:31] <sil2100> didrocks: \o/ awesome
[16:35] <fginther> sil2100, didrocks checkbox-unity testing on precise sru candidate passed with no regressions
[16:35] <sil2100> fginther: that's most awesome, thanks for the testing :)!
[16:35] <fginther> sil2100, you're welcome
[16:36] <sil2100> fginther: now, I'll have one more task for you - but I'll send it by e-mail in a moment!
[16:36] <didrocks> fginther: excellent! seb128 has you will take care of that ^
[16:37] <didrocks> fginther: thanks ;)
[16:37] <seb128> good
[16:54] <fginther> didrocks, you're welcome
[16:55] <lewtds> hi. I'm creating an indicator with AppIndicator. At the same time I'm using Gtk.Application to provide uniqueness. But since I port my app to Gtk.Application (which run with Gtk.Application app.run() and not Gtk.main() ) the indicator stop working (it doesn't show up). Is this a libindicator's fault?
[17:00] <lewtds> here's the test code in Vala http://paste.ubuntu.com/1102100/. Compile it with valac --pkg gtk+-3.0 test.vala
[17:18] <exarkun> if I try to suspend my laptop, a dialog pops up saying "A program is still running", "Chromium Web Browser", "Power Save Blocker".  And my laptop does not suspend.  How do I make my system suspend even if "Chrome Web Browser" (or any other program, for that matter) is "Power Save Blocker"?
[19:24] <alo21> hi
[19:25] <alo21> How can I create a minimal window (like ctrl+F in Firefox) in python?
[21:46] <Gibzsullivan> hai
[21:46] <Gibzsullivan> hello
[21:47] <Gibzsullivan> hmm


[06:19] <fabbione> morning
[06:34] <braddr> if you say so.
[06:35] <fabbione> well it's 6:30am here
[06:35] <braddr> bitchx
[06:35] <fabbione> i didn't claim "good"
[06:35] <fabbione> :)
[06:35] <braddr> damn.. wrong window
[06:35] <fabbione> ahha
[06:36] <braddr> I like seeing timing reports like this:
[06:36] <braddr> real    207m41.699s
[06:36] <braddr> user    1342m33.201s
[06:36] <braddr> sys     659m10.032s
[06:37] <braddr> well, not that > 3 hours is good, but the other parts are nice.
[06:38] <fabbione> ehhe
[06:39] <braddr> so, on average I kept 10 cpu's busy
[06:39] <fabbione> what is the box doing?
[06:39] <braddr> not great, but I can say with some confidence it was due to drive io bottlenecks
[06:39] <braddr> a compiler test suite
[06:40] <braddr> compiling, linking, executing approx 100k tests.
[06:41] <braddr> well, some tests just doing a subset of those, expected compilation failures would never link, etc.
[06:41] <braddr> so, tons of forking and execing of short lived processes.
[06:41] <fabbione> gotcha
[06:41] <braddr> something I expect linux to get a whole lot better at
[06:41] <braddr> s/get/be/


[01:38] <flocculant> ochosi: open a terminal - open another - and another - they all open on top of each other
[04:15] <bluesabre> flocculant, knome: in case we're doing any notes for the RC, updated app versions between vivid and wily, http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu15-10rc
[04:18] <Unit193> Up late, you are.
[04:18] <bluesabre> night all
[04:18] <bluesabre> :D
[04:18] <bluesabre> Unit193: working on release notes blog post stuff and watching Colbert
[04:18] <Unit193> Nice!
[04:19] <bluesabre> but yeah, bed time :D
[04:19] <bluesabre> nighty
[07:38] <flocculant> bluesabre: they're likely freezing today and then spinning the images tomorrow
[07:38] <flocculant> so - no RC notes :p but gives us a week to do the Final ones \o/
[07:49] <flocculant> I'll use that pad to build the wiki notes
[10:52] <bluesabre> flocculant: cool
[10:56] <flocculant> bluesabre: hey :)
[10:56] <flocculant> don't forget the meeting you're running tomorrow ;)
[10:56] <bluesabre> flocculant: good idea
[10:56] <bluesabre> :D
[10:56] <flocculant> ha ha ha
[10:57] <flocculant> I'll likely be about for both
[10:57] <bluesabre> flocculant: cool
[10:58] <flocculant> bluesabre: did you catch my comment a few days ago re parole in ppa and parole in livesession - if not will be getting the parole one for wily? fixes an irritant
[10:59] <bluesabre> flocculant: if you're comfortable with what's in the PPA, I can quickly do a release of 0.8.1 and upload it
[11:00] <flocculant> I've not seen anything to question that
[11:00] <bluesabre> alrighty then
[11:00] <flocculant> thanks :)
[11:01] <bluesabre> wowza, got quite a few translations in there as well
[11:02] <flocculant> I assume that's good then :D
[11:11] <flocculant> bluesabre: do you see any point in adding changelogs to the wiki release notes - given that's supposed to be the technical one
[11:12] <bluesabre> flocculant: we could, but we should consider which things we want to be verbose about
[11:13] <flocculant> ok - well how about I spend 30 minutes trudging through - then you remove what you want
[11:13] <flocculant> I'd rather get that done while I've got some time than next week ;)
[11:14] <bluesabre> flocculant: makes sense to me
[11:14] <flocculant> ok - I'll do that *now* then
[11:15] <bluesabre> I've got a few release notes as blog posts on my site for catfish, menulibre, mugshot, xfpanel-switch, https://smdavis.us/
[11:16] <flocculant> yep - I was going to use your ones where available - otherwise just the http://changelogs.ubuntu.com one
[11:16] <flocculant> actually what I'll do is move ones with your posts to 'major' and the ones with the ubuntu one lower
[11:18] <bluesabre> sounds good to me
[11:23] <sidi_> What's the ML for Xubuntu users?
[11:23] <flocculant><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:25] <flocculant> bluesabre: middle click on the pad has driven me insane ... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/flocculant/sandbox
[11:25] <flocculant> sidi_: ^^^
[11:26] <sidi_> flocculant, thanks!
[11:41] <bluesabre> yay, release manager didn't crash when doing an xfce release
[11:42] <flocculant> :)
[11:44] <davmor2> fluke
[11:55] <flocculant> bluesabre: ok - so a good start made on those notes now - time for lunch :)
[11:58] <flocculant> bluesabre: when you say - New hidden setting to persistently hide the menubar - do you mean hidden until parole is started again?
[11:59] <flocculant> hope so - or I'll be the bearer of bad news again ...
[11:59] <bluesabre> flocculant: ochosi wrote it... :D
[11:59] <flocculant> ochosi: ^^ ;)
[12:00] <flocculant> unless the hidden setting is hidden somewhere ofc - in which case that's working well :p
[12:00] <bluesabre> anyway, once I can confirm this build I'll go ahead and upload
[12:00] <bluesabre> flocculant: I think its an option from settings editor
[12:00] <bluesabre> hide-menubar (bool)
[12:00] <bluesabre> just hiding the menubar is per session, the setting makes it permanent
[12:01] <flocculant> mmm - can't see that
[12:02] <flocculant> at least not in settings - parole
[12:05] <flocculant> http://i.imgur.com/Pl1xNNA.png
[12:06] <flocculant> mind you - if this is one of those - it won't change existing files but is good in new installs - then I wouldn't
[12:08] <bluesabre> yeah, its hidden, has to be added
[12:09] <flocculant> ok - so we'll document that somewhere I assume
[12:09] <bluesabre> I can dig around later and let you know what the key is
[12:09] <flocculant> faq page gets a little bit bigger :p
[12:09] <bluesabre> yeah, will add it to the parole docs
[12:09] <flocculant> bluesabre: I don't use it - but drc might like to know it :)
[12:17] <bluesabre> Uploading to Ubuntu
[12:18] <flocculant> what a lovely chap you are
[12:18] <bluesabre> flocculant: Upload, waiting for approval... might want to keep an eye on -release in case there are any questions that need an ack
[12:19] <flocculant> yep will do :)
[12:20] <flocculant> back shortly - need some lunch and will get the chippy to supply it today :)
[12:23] <bluesabre> need to run to work now, bbl
[12:45] <flocculant> cya
[18:30] <flocculant> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/1501454
[18:30] <flocculant> mmm - so we're getting these thunar bugs lately - just got it here
[18:30] <flocculant> bunch of dupes of a private one
[19:08] <ochosi> flocculant: don't worry about the menubar setting, it's false by default and has to be added via xfconf-query or the xfce4-settings-editor
[19:08] <ochosi> so those ppl who do that know where to change the setting back ;)
[19:09] <ochosi> and yeah, i guess i can confirm the terminal issue you mentioned
[19:15] <flocculant> ochosi: yep - got the control added here
[19:15] <flocculant> trying to get parole updated currently :)
[19:15] <flocculant> bluesabre did his bit earlier today
[19:16] <ochosi> it's really just a slightly geeky hidden setting for those who want to replace mplayer with parole ;)
[19:16] <flocculant> :)
[19:16] <flocculant> well - as much as we can get in now in wily - makes xx simpler as a fix all we can thing I guess
[19:17] <flocculant> and of course once I know about something - it annoys me if I've not got it :D
[19:23] <ochosi> hehe
[19:23] <ochosi> sure
[20:09] <flocculant> knome: ok - so then that didn't help - what it did was lose all the changes I'd made ...
[20:26] <knome> flocculant, wut?
 knome: ok so - if I've grabbed the xub docs then done all the build thing to that, how do I then push any changes back?
 cos - it's all changed now after the build :)
 make clean
[20:27] <flocculant> so that just blitzed all the changes I'd made ;)
[20:27] <knome> nope, it should just rm the build dir
[20:28] <knome> ...which isn't where you should do changes if you did that :P
[20:28] <flocculant> well given the dearth of information on docs - where should I have changed them
[20:28] <knome> heh, docs on docs
[20:28] <knome> under desktop-guide/C/*
[20:29] <knome> which is where the docbook files are located at
[20:29] <knome> (yeah, no html editing here, it's just the output format!)
[20:29] <flocculant> mmm
[20:29] <flocculant> not what I see here
[20:29] <knome> hmm?
[20:29] <knome> what do you see then? :D
[20:30] <flocculant> xml
[20:30] <knome> yeah
[20:30] <knome> that's what you *SHOULD* see
[20:30] <knome> as i said, html is just the output format
[20:30] <knome> we don't edit the docs in html
[20:30] <knome> ...
[20:30] <flocculant> well I did
[20:30] <knome> hah, well
[20:31] <knome> that's not the usual procedure
[20:31] <knome> and the answer for how do you get the stuff you edited from html to the docs... manually
[20:31] <flocculant> well it might not be - perhaps you could point me to where it says what to do then
[20:31] <knome> or in other words, "you don't"
[20:31]  * knome looks if we have exact enough docs for docs
[20:31] <flocculant> where?
[20:32] <knome> website or wiki
[20:32] <knome> i can't remember what we say
[20:32] <flocculant> we say nothing
[20:32] <flocculant> just point to hundreds of links
[20:32] <knome> possible
[20:33] <knome> yep, true
[20:33] <knome> but for some kind of defense, the build dir doesn't exist until you build :)
[20:33] <flocculant> and then you find the ubuntu doc wiki pages and it's just 'how did a doc team make things so hard to find' when you get there :|
[20:33] <knome> lol
[20:34] <knome> the ubuntu doc wiki pages are awful, i admit
[20:34] <knome> we should sign off from all of that and write our own
[20:34] <knome> ^ no kidding, i'm totally serious
[20:34] <flocculant> anyway - when I can be bothered to do all this again - desktop-guide/C/
[20:34] <knome> (even if i have no pants on currently...)
[20:34] <flocculant> yea - I would agree with that
[20:34] <flocculant> ha ha
[20:35] <knome> and yes, desktop-guide/C/
[20:35] <flocculant> I did say to slickymaster the other day that there should be a simple how to start thing (bzr, packages you need) thing
[20:35] <flocculant> ok
[20:35] <knome> yep
[20:35] <knome> slickymaster, you around today?
[20:36] <flocculant> on the other hand - I did edit the html for it all properly - at least it all looked correct :D
[20:36] <knome> :E
[20:36] <knome> good job
[20:36] <knome> though... docbook is a different beast
[20:36] <knome> well for the best - it's very similar
[20:36] <ochosi> Unit193: woot, 1.1.15 uploaded to ubuntu too?
[20:36] <knome> "only" different tags
[20:36] <flocculant> right
[20:37] <knome> you'll get the gist of it quickly
[20:37] <flocculant> on the positive side - it's going to be easier to do offline-packages in xml than html ...
[20:37] <knome> likely so..
[20:37] <Unit193> ochosi: No, in http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-multimedia/gmusicbrowser.git
[20:37] <knome> the html output from our docs is a bit dirty :P
[20:38] <ochosi> Unit193: oh ok, i guess it's too late for wily anyway
[20:38] <ochosi> hmm, almost done with xfce4-notifyd gtk3 support in greybird...
[20:39] <flocculant> knome: and the front page? xubuntu-docs/startpage/xubuntu-index-start.htx ?
[20:39] <knome> flocculant, yep, and -end-
[20:39] <flocculant> yep - just checking the path ;)
[20:40] <knome> but i'll likely try to push the startpage under the desktop-guide too
[20:40] <knome> so only docbook after that
[20:40] <knome> bbiab, sauna
[21:03] <knome> flocculant, this should now be a tad more useful: http://xubuntu.org/contribute/documentation/
[21:04] <flocculant> :)
[21:05] <flocculant> quick question knome - how to ,strong> or <em> in docbook?
[21:05] <knome> uhm
[21:05] <knome> good one
[21:05] <knome> depends on the situation
[21:05] <knome> docbook has very semantic tags
[21:05] <flocculant> words withiin a sentence
[21:06] <flocculant> spelt properly though
[21:06] <knome> yeaah, but what are those words for?
[21:06] <knome> we don't do "just emphasis" i think
[21:07] <flocculant> yea we do
[21:07] <knome> where?
[21:08] <flocculant> like <literal>monkey</literal>
[21:08] <knome> yeah
[21:08] <flocculant> so I found out :)
[21:08] <knome> so as you can see
[21:08] <knome> if it's something that's literally like that in the screen, then use <literal>
[21:08] <flocculant> so <literallybold>
[21:08] <knome> if it's an application name, use <application>
[21:08] <flocculant> :p
[21:08] <knome> if it's a gui label, use <guilabel>
[21:09] <knome> or if it's a thing the user needs to input, then you should use <userinput>
[21:10] <flocculant> empasis
[21:10] <knome> these things might look similar in the output, but if we decide that we want to change the looks later for a certain thing, we'd better use semantic tags now :P
[21:10] <flocculant> right
[21:11] <knome> but don't be too hard on yourself on getting everything right the first time
[21:11] <knome> we'll have to review it anyway :P
[21:11] <flocculant> yea of course
[21:11] <knome> but again, for the better part -
[21:11] <knome> there are examples of pretty much everything you can imagine
[21:11] <knome> so just find another spot on the docs that does what you want, and see what the source says there
[21:12] <knome> and you can't go too much wrong
[21:12] <flocculant> yep - that's what I just did
[21:12] <knome> yep
[21:12] <flocculant> not doing anymore of it twice today though :D
[21:12] <knome> and for the &entities;, check desktop-guide/libs/xubuntu.ent
[21:12] <knome> we're keeping for example all urls there
[21:12] <knome> and just using the entity in the <ulink> tag
[21:13] <knome> menu paths too
[21:13] <knome> you'll see they can be daunting
[21:14] <knome> ok, back to sauna one more time
[21:14] <knome> bbiab again
[21:14] <flocculant> k - thanks, that's all helpful
[21:14] <knome> np
[21:31] <knome> aaaahhh
[21:33] <flocculant> :)
[21:38] <bluesabre> flocculant: any word on parole upload?
[21:39] <bluesabre> getting ready to run out again
[21:41] <flocculant> bluesabre: I asked in -release earlier - nothing so far, I think infinity is on odd hours :)
[21:43] <bluesabre> I saw doko ask if there was an ffe in -devel, didn't know if somebody determined that it really wasnt a new feature
[21:44] <bluesabre> I'll try to ping again myself when I get back
[21:52] <flocculant> ok


[00:17] <britt__> hey guys
[00:17] <britt__> is anyone else having lockup issues on closing windows?
[00:17] <britt__> bug 1094571 was reported in this issue, but it has really gotten bad over the last couple of days
[00:52] <britt__> hrm it actually may have been fixed with todays updates


[13:00] <fossfreedom_> anyone any ideas why http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ hasn't been updated since the Mon 30th April?  Usually it is updated every half hour or so.
[14:05] <rbasak> It probably needs kicking by an AA-type person
[14:05] <rbasak> (someone with a login to the box)


[00:00] <faron> Hey ! When I open that file to paste to....there's nothing in it &
[00:00] <faron> it says something like.............
[00:00] <faron> can't open file to write
[00:01] <rww> faron: you're doing "gksudo mousepad /etc/apt/sources.list"?
[00:02] <faron> sorry I typed a couple of things wrong
[00:02] <faron> yeah that was 1 of the things I did wrong
[00:02] <faron> I didn't get the gk par & instaed of etc I typed ect
[00:03] <faron> oops
[00:03] <faron> got it now though
[00:12] <Balsaq> Good evening Xubuntu Team. It is a pleasure to do business with you.
[00:13] <knome> hey Balsaq, and good 2am to you as well.
[00:13] <Balsaq> wow you must be awful tired!
[00:13] <knome> not really :)
[00:13] <Balsaq> just got off the mountain...long day.
[00:14] <knome> right :)
[00:14] <Daniel__> hello
[00:14] <knome> !hi | Daniel__
[00:15] <Daniel__> Thanks
[00:15] <Daniel__> will xubuntu work on a pentium III (666 MHz) and 128 MB RAM?
[00:15] <Balsaq> yes but right on the border...
[00:16] <Balsaq> i run it on 512 and it is runs like crazy...FAST.
[00:17] <Daniel__> i need a distro for this machine
[00:17] <Balsaq> i see system idle up at 256 when i am working sometimes
[00:18] <Balsaq> puppy wil run well on 128
[00:18] <Daniel__> and arch?
[00:18] <Balsaq> oh yeah
[00:18] <Daniel__> or flux?
[00:18] <Balsaq> never looked at that one
[00:18] <Daniel__> what is better?
[00:18] <Daniel__> fluxbuntu
[00:18] <Balsaq> got 2 puppy's here on 400 and a 450 mgz
[00:18] <Daniel__> or archlinux?
[00:19] <Balsaq> the pro's really luv arch
[00:20] <Daniel__> ok, i'm going to try both
[00:20] <Balsaq> the thing is...xubuntu is the best! i'd add a stick of pc100 256 mb (they are dirt cheap) and run xubuntu.
[00:21] <Balsaq> seen um for 7 dollars....imagine that
[00:22] <Daniel__> yes, but in my country, they are difficult to find
[00:23] <Balsaq> no ebay?
[00:23] <Daniel__> yes
[00:23] <Balsaq> thats where i get all my ram
[00:23] <Balsaq> old ram is dirt cheap onb ebay...
[00:23] <Daniel__> i will try
[00:24] <Daniel__> thanks everyone
[00:24] <Balsaq> thank you for choosing Xubuntu...
[08:04] <Balsaq> Good morning Xubuntu Channel.
[08:05] <psycho_oreos> evening Balsaq
[08:06] <Balsaq> hellp psycho_oreas
[08:07] <psycho_oreos> o.O
[08:07] <psycho_oreos> lol
[08:07] <Balsaq> im still confused how that guys problem just "went away" the other night? xubuntu must of went out on the internet and grabbed a driver ?
[08:07] <Balsaq> the guy the 9.10 issue
[08:08] <psycho_oreos> humm dunno which one heh
[08:08] <Balsaq> the one you suspected as a video issue
[08:08] <psycho_oreos> ahh he long solved that, don't know if he came back
[08:08] <psycho_oreos> apparently he said that eventually it loaded up GUI
[08:09] <Balsaq> i saw it when it was solved but could not determine how it got fixed
[08:09] <Balsaq> he said it just suddenly worked
[08:09] <psycho_oreos> I couldn't really understand how or why it would take time and it automagically worked
[08:09] <psycho_oreos> yeah
[08:10] <_Techie_> anybody here got any experience with LTSP or PXE bootign liveCD's
[08:10] <psycho_oreos> he wasn't clear about illegal modes, illegal commands, errors
[08:12] <_Techie_> failing that does anybody have a PXE boot server i could steal PCElinux from
[08:13] <_Techie_> PXElinux*
[08:14] <psycho_oreos> nope
[08:15] <psycho_oreos> are you looking for working examples I suppose?
[08:15] <_Techie_> ive seen working examples
[08:15] <psycho_oreos> no no like the config files of working examples
[08:16] <_Techie_> no, i got tutorials
[08:16] <psycho_oreos> ahh :/
[08:16] <_Techie_> i dont want to have to make PXElinux though
[08:17] <_Techie_> and if theres someone who has knowledge, i have someone to ask a few questions when it all turns to poop
[08:26] <_Techie_> http://www.lamebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/OhNose.png
[08:42] <Balsaq> yo _Techie_
[08:42] <_Techie_> yo bal
[12:04] <_Techie_> [amsg] goodnight everyone
[12:56] <v_2e> Hello everyone! I'm still having some trouble trying to boot from Xubuntu 9.10 LiveCD or to install a system from it. After I choose some action from the CD's first menu, I can only see a blank screen with cursor blinking in the upper left corner. I was advised to use "Ctrl+Alt+F2" to switch between the terminals. I have tried to do that, but I still can only see a blank screen with a blinking cursor on every terminal. Also a message "stdin: I/O error" appear
[12:56] <v_2e> s in the first terminal after few minutes.
[12:56] <v_2e> What problem could cause such behaviour?
[12:56] <v_2e> Thanks.
[12:56] <Myrtti> have you tried running memtest on the system?
[12:56] <Myrtti> do you already have other operating systems on it and do they have any problems?
[12:57] <Myrtti> and finally, what video card do you have?
[12:57] <v_2e> Yes, I have tried running Memtest. It looked like everything was ok.
[12:58] <v_2e> I don't have any operating system on that PC.
[12:58] <Myrtti> how long did you run memtest?
[13:00] <v_2e> Not too long. About few minutes. I know that running all the tests may take much more time, but I didn't pay much attention to memory testing, because I have successfully booted this machine using Ubuntu 7.10 LiveCD.
[13:01] <v_2e> I cannot even tell for sure what a videocard I use there. This isn't my PC, so it wasn't me who bought it. All I can see is that it is an old 16MB AGP card from ASUS.
[13:01] <v_2e> By the way, this machine has only 196 MB of RAM.
[13:06] <Myrtti> I'd run memtest for overnight or longer. I/O error points to, in my books, to hardware failure
[13:10] <v_2e> Myrtti: Maybe, you are right, but why did Ubuntu 7.10 LiveCD booted smoothly in such case?
[13:10] <ablomen> thats hd
[13:11] <ablomen> or it can also be the hd
[13:11] <v_2e> Oh, by the way. I have met a similar problem earlier. And both of the problematic machines have VIA KT133 chipset.
[13:11] <ablomen> i'v had those errors twice, and soon after that the errors the hd died..
[13:11] <ablomen> third time i changed the hd before hand and the errors stopped
[13:12] <ablomen> also explains why the livecd worked without a problem
[13:12] <v_2e> ablomen: I'm not sure about HDD, because I tried tu turn it off and boot from LiveCD. The same results.
[13:12] <ablomen> oh wait
[13:12] <ablomen> sorry i misread
[13:12] <v_2e> ablomen: Xubuntu LiveCD doesn't boot without HDD either.
[13:12] <v_2e> ablomen: I mean Xubuntu 9.10
[13:13] <ablomen> it doesnt?
[13:14] <v_2e> ablomen: It doesn't. And moreover, if I choose to "check CD for errors" from the LiveCD's menu, I get the very same situation.
[13:14] <ablomen> hmm
[13:14] <v_2e> ablomen: Yeah, I think so too. :)
[13:15] <ablomen> that sounds more like the burning of the cd went wrong
[13:15] <ablomen> or the iso was bad
[13:17] <v_2e> ablomen: maybe it really souns like that, but it isn't. I have successfully installed a system from this LiveCD on a virtual machine.
[13:18] <ablomen> hmm ok, i don't know then, maybe someone else has another idea, and yeah i would try what Myrtti said, though make sure you wont need the pc for about 8 hours ;)
[13:30] <v_2e> ablomen: ok, thanks anyway. Maybe, I'll try to Memtest for several hours. But the only thing disturbs me all the time - that both of the machines which refused to boot from this CD, had VIA KT133 chipset. Isn't this chipset causing such problems?
[13:31] <ablomen> maybe, i wouldnt know
[13:39] <v_2e> charlie-tca: Hello, charlie-tca. I have tried "Ctrl+Alt+F2" to switch between the terminals, like you said, but I can see the same blank screen with blinking cursor on every one of them. And an error message "stdin: I/O error" appears every several minutes on the first terminal. What could it be?
[13:39] <charlie-tca> video card incompatibility
[13:40] <charlie-tca> or a bug in the image
[13:40] <v_2e> Hmm... You are the second person saying about video card incompatibility today. :) Maybe, I should check this.
[13:41] <v_2e> But I also tried Ubuntu 7.10 LiveCD. It works fine.
[13:41] <v_2e> charlie-tca: I don't think there is a bug in the image, since I have successfully installed a system from it on a virtual machine.
[13:43] <charlie-tca> Not in the image, if it works in a virtual machine. It is video card related
[13:48] <v_2e> charlie-tca: So, if I understand you right, you are suggesting me to change a videocard and see what happens? I must say, that I experienced the same problem on another PC with another videocard. Or does it change nothing?
[13:48] <charlie-tca> No, just file a bug against the video card driver
[13:48] <charlie-tca> Are they the same ? nvidia, ati, intel?
[13:51] <v_2e> charlie-tca: one of them is NVidia. Another - I don't even know.
[13:51] <charlie-tca> You can file against xorg, from the machine in whatever does work, using ubuntu-bug xorg
[13:51] <charlie-tca> and explain that it is a bug in lucid images
[13:51] <charlie-tca> lspci -vvnn wil give the video card data
[13:52] <charlie-tca> (and a lot of other hardware information you don't even want)
[13:52] <v_2e> charlie-tca: Is this a Xorg problem?
[13:52] <charlie-tca> Think so. xorg controls the video drivers
[13:52] <v_2e> charlie-tca: Yes, I know about lspci and lshw programs.
[13:53] <v_2e> charlie-tca: But I think that there is a lot of programs starting before Xorg. And I cannot see even any text boot messages.
[13:53] <charlie-tca> Have you removed quiet splash from the boot?
[13:55] <v_2e> charlie-tca: no, I haven't, but the system seems not booting at all. I press "Ctrl+Alt+F2" when a graphical mouse image appears in the centre of the screen, but I can see nothing. No terminals.
[13:55] <v_2e> charlie-tca: Just a blank screens with blinking cursor on every place where a terminal with a command line prompt should be.
[13:56] <charlie-tca> Edit the boot line in grub before starting it, and remove quiet and splash. It will then give you the text screens and you might be able to see what is wrong.
[13:56] <charlie-tca> It could be xsplash or plymouth again
[13:56] <v_2e> charlie-tca: Is is also a GRUB on LiveCD?
[13:57] <charlie-tca> no, but if you hit F6, you can still remove the quiet splash
[13:57] <charlie-tca> (on older images, the latest image doesn't let you
[13:58] <v_2e> charlie-tca: Oh, and how are those features called in "F6" menu?
[13:58] <charlie-tca> ESCAPE
[13:59] <charlie-tca> then you can edit the line on screen by hitting end
[14:00] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I know. It is not really the easy way to do that.
[14:02] <v_2e> charlie-tca: Once more, please, because I'm not sure I got it right. I should press "Esc" when in the LiveCD's boot menu?
[14:07] <charlie-tca> okay. Live cd menu... hit F6, hit ESC, then hit END. Now just remove the quiet splash at the end of the lien
[14:07] <charlie-tca> s/lien/line
[14:08] <v_2e> charlie-tca: Hm... not very obvious way... :) But of course I'll try to do that. Thanks for advice!
[14:08]  * charlie-tca thinks it could be harder to do, if they work at it
[14:09] <charlie-tca> Heh, if you download a new lucid image, you can't even use F6 no more
[14:09] <charlie-tca> It took me 8 minutes to get to the install page
[14:09] <v_2e> charlie-tca: Hmm... And now I'm not sure the image I have lets to use it... I didn't pay much attention to that and now I'm not sure...
[14:10] <charlie-tca> And, I don't think you would ever get there because of the bug
[14:10] <v_2e> charlie-tca: Sounds nice. :)
[14:10] <charlie-tca> lol
[14:11] <v_2e> charlie-tca: Ok. Anyway, I'll try to do what you said and let's see what happens. Thanks again. I'm offline. Bye.
[14:12] <charlie-tca> good luck again
[14:12] <v_2e> charlie-tca: thanks. :)
[15:44] <subspider> hello everyone
[15:44] <subspider> hello charlie-tca
[16:26] <charlie-tca> hello, subspider
[17:45] <mikubuntu> that has to be you
[17:45] <mikubuntu> hahaha
[17:46] <CZPhoenix> that has to be me?
[17:46] <CZPhoenix> How did you figure it out?
[17:47] <mikubuntu> hey guys, my friend here, czphoenix, is trying to download ubuntu, but it seems to be downloading as a winzip file.  in three years i've never heard of that happening, can someone comment please?  i trying to bring her from the dark side.
[17:48] <mikubuntu> cz gave it away
[17:48] <CZPhoenix> It is a very strange problem, indeed. I have tried on 2 different computers and had the same problem on each.
[17:49] <CZPhoenix> Right now, I am on the Evil Windoze 7 that I want to bring Back To The Light, but...
[17:49] <pleia2> CZPhoenix: is windows somehow associating .iso files as zip archives?
[17:49] <CZPhoenix> amazing. Most people see the CZ and think I am from the Czech republic.. .and currently living in Phoenix, Arizona, neither of which are true.
[17:50] <CZPhoenix> I think so, Pleia. I think it's decided to default downloads to winzip, which is evil.
[17:50] <pleia2> yeah, I think you need to look up file associations in windows somewhere (I have no clue where, but it should exist)
[17:51] <CZPhoenix> I will find it. I am determined.
[17:51] <pleia2> :)
[17:52] <CZPhoenix> I just hit the Frustration Limit and took a lunch break. Unfortunately, the Brain Enhancing Fluid is cold. I need to create a new pot.
[17:52] <mikubuntu> anybody else know why an ubuntu download is showing up as a winzip file instead of an .iso ??  i have never seen the problem before, and couldn't find anything googling
[17:53] <CZPhoenix> I couldn't find anything googling, either, but I did find masses of documentation on how to test an ISO for integrity.
[17:53] <mikubuntu> my conspiracy minded theory is that ms is blockg the download intentionally, but thats silly
[17:54] <charlie-tca> CZPhoenix: have you tried just changing the extension back to .iso?
[17:54] <mikubuntu> charlie-tca, just rename the file?
[17:54] <CZPhoenix> Yes, I did, Charlie. The evil being downloaded it as a winzip despite what I demanded,
[17:54] <charlie-tca> or is it not allowing the download at all?
[17:54] <charlie-tca> Let it download, then change the extension
[17:54] <CZPhoenix> It downloads, but it seems to default to a zip file.
[17:55] <CZPhoenix>  Let me go try that. I must return to the Office and the other computer.
[17:55] <charlie-tca> then burn it to cd
[17:55] <mikubuntu> charlie, are you saying to simply rename the file?
[17:55] <charlie-tca> yup
[17:55] <charlie-tca> If it downloads it, and gives it a .zip extension, simply change the extension to .iso
[17:55] <mikubuntu> got it carol?  just rename it to ubuntu.iso and try burning
[17:56] <mikubuntu> why din't i think of that
[17:56] <charlie-tca> windows is seeing a compressed file
[17:56] <CZPhoenix> trying that now
[17:56] <mikubuntu> k
[17:57] <charlie-tca> might work, might not work
[17:58] <CZPhoenix> it's worth a try. CDs are cheap. I don't mind burning a few failures. I'll string them on string in the garden to frighten off rabbits and deer.
[17:59] <pleia2> that's the spirit! :)
[17:59] <CZPhoenix> Estimated write time 11 minutes. Sound about corrrect?
[17:59] <pleia2> depends on the drive, but that would be reasonable
[17:59] <CZPhoenix> It just got warm enough here so this past weekend, I put in a raised garden bed. Thus, the CDs will have a good home.
[17:59] <mikubuntu> could be, if theres a setting you should usually set to lower speed
[18:00] <mikubuntu> but defaut should be ok
[18:00] <CZPhoenix> I lit some Nag Champa incense to keep the evil away from the burn.
[18:01] <mikubuntu> i'm gnna run to gas station for smokes (open source of course) call me on the phone if you get done b4 i get back
[18:01] <CZPhoenix> Copy, boss.
[18:04] <CZPhoenix> when the burn is done, I am going to close out of chat on this computer (which is the Linux target) and open chat on the other computer.
[18:09] <mickaela> hi !
[18:09] <mickaela> hiall #xubuntu
[18:09] <mickaela> I've installed Windows 7 like I used to have, and I want to Dual Boot XUbuntu with it. I've got 25 gigs of free space set aside for it. I have a few different partitions.
[18:09] <mickaela> I load up he live disc for Xbuntu, it burned right. I go to install and it claims my hard disc is empty.
[18:10] <mickaela> please help me !! thanks !
[18:11] <charlie-tca> what version of Xubuntu, mickaela
[18:12] <mickaela> 9.10
[18:14] <mickaela> charlie-tca
[18:14] <charlie-tca> Sorry, distracted by three installs running
[18:15] <charlie-tca> Only one hard drive?
[18:16] <CZPhoenix> renaming the zip file to an iso did not work. Failure to boot.
[18:18] <CZPhoenix> I think my system is cursed.
[18:18] <charlie-tca> well, Then you have to change the file associations, and I can't help with it
[18:19] <CZPhoenix> Thank you for your help, though. I will eventually figure this demon out. (and it's pouring down rain right now, not that that matters)
[18:19] <CZPhoenix> well, I did achieve something. now the laptop won't boot at all. LOL
[19:32] <mtrg> anyone knows if xubuntu makes it theme public for other distros?
[19:32] <mtrg> I think it's called Albatros
[19:32] <charlie-tca> It is called Albatros, and you can find out in #shimmer, which is the developers of the theme
[19:37] <mtrg> charlie-tca: so it's not xubuntu specific?
[19:55] <mtrg> Thanks charlie-tca -- great
[20:35] <fuge> hello
[20:35] <fuge> the i have a pinnacle pctv pro tv card but it can not find any station
[20:36] <fuge> as i remember at the previous xubuntu it was working
[20:44] <fuge> http://paste.ubuntu.com/393547/
[20:45] <charlie-tca> You might have more luck in #mythbuntu
[20:46] <fuge> thanks
[20:46] <fuge> one another question
[20:47] <fuge> is it possible to disable the "bubbles" for examle connecting to wired network, buddy login in pidgin...
[20:48] <charlie-tca> bubbles?
[20:48] <charlie-tca> notifications?
[20:49] <fuge> yes
[20:50] <charlie-tca> I think the programs are supposed to have an option in preferences for it. There is no easy way to disable them all except remove the app for them.
[20:52] <fuge> xfce4-notifyd - simple, visually-appealing notification daemon for Xfce ?
[20:52] <charlie-tca> Is it already installed?
[20:53] <charlie-tca> I show notify-osd installed here
[20:53] <fuge> no it is not installed
[20:53] <fuge> i made only an apt-cache search
[20:54] <fuge> ii  notify-osd                            0.9.24-0ubuntu1                            daemon that displays passive pop-up notifications
[20:54] <fuge> great thanks
[20:58] <FrozenFire[work]> It seems that, over the past day or so, one of my keyboard shortcuts has stopped working, entirely. I had XF86AudioPlay bound to xfterm4.
[20:59] <FrozenFire[work]> I've had that bound for months now, and it's always worked. Now it doesn't do anything, whatsoever. I checked to see that it was still in the Application Shortcut list, and it is.
[20:59] <FrozenFire[work]> Any ideas as to why it would suddenly disappear?
[20:59] <FrozenFire[work]> Or, rather, stop work.
[20:59] <FrozenFire[work]> working**
[22:13] <slow-motion> n8