[00:33] <huwshimi> Morning
[00:34] <rick_h__> morning huwshimi
[00:34] <rick_h__> good flight?
[00:34] <huwshimi> rick_h__: Yeah, not bad. Get home ok?
[00:35] <rick_h__> oh yea
[00:35] <rick_h__> nice direct single flight :)
[00:37] <huwshimi> Nice!
[00:50] <huwshimi> rick_h__: It's nice to return to see that change to connections :)
[00:59] <rick_h__> huwshimi: :)
[00:59] <rick_h__> huwshimi: yea, I ping'd tim and said "Hey, I want to give you the FYI that we're going to make some waves about this up through Mark Ramm and up to Mark S if necessary"
[00:59] <rick_h__> and his reply "already gone"
[01:00] <huwshimi> hehe
[07:44] <rogpeppe1> urulama: mornin'
[07:44] <urulama> rogpeppe1: morning
[07:45] <rogpeppe1> urulama: how did your trip back go?
[07:45] <urulama> rogpeppe1: fine, thanks, came back to a rainy and foggy home :D
[07:46] <rogpeppe1> urulama: still quite nice up here :-)
[07:46] <rogpeppe1> urulama: here's a review to brighten your day :-) https://github.com/juju/charmstore/pull/34
[07:47] <urulama> rogpeppe1: looking at it
[07:47] <rogpeppe1> urulama: ta
[07:48] <urulama> rogpeppe1: so you are not using your swap day?
[07:48] <rogpeppe1> urulama: i think i'll take it tomorrow
[07:48] <rogpeppe1> urulama: or... perhaps i might take it in two halves - this afternoon and tomorrow morning
[07:49] <rogpeppe1> urulama: i did this PR on the train north
[07:49] <urulama> rogpeppe1: great :D
[07:50] <urulama> rogpeppe1: my kids are at home this week (kindergarden closed for their vacations) - so I'll probably work in the morning till 3PM and than continue at 8PM (our time), just to let you know
[07:50] <rogpeppe1> urulama: (and i also have nearly done a signficant refactoring of the meta include stuff; i decided that the GetItem stuff was going to be too complex and inefficient.
[07:51] <rogpeppe1> urulama: ok, good to know
[11:05] <rick_h__> morning party people
[12:35] <jrwren_> morning
[12:35] <rick_h__> morning jrwren_, good trip?
[12:36] <jrwren_> very good.
[12:36] <rick_h__> awesome
[12:36] <jrwren_> and you?
[12:36] <rick_h__> tired, great sprint though.
[12:36] <frankban> rick_h__: do you have a minute to chat about bug 1348192 ?
[12:36] <_mup_> Bug #1348192: series should not be determined to create machine until a charm is placed upon it <juju-gui:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1348192>
[12:36] <rick_h__> frankban: sure thing
[12:37] <rick_h__> frankban: invite me in and I'll join in
[12:37] <frankban> rick_h__: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/gui
[12:38] <urulama> hi there jrwren_, welcome back
[12:45] <jrwren_> thanks urulama.
[12:47] <rick_h__> jrwren_: so catch up on emails and we'll get a sprint summary email out in a bit
[12:47] <rick_h__> jrwren_: once you're caught up let's chat and see where to head this week?
[12:49] <jrwren_> sounds great.
[13:03] <rick_h__> luca: call today?
[13:03] <rick_h__> or skipping?
[13:03] <luca> rick_h__: oh!
[13:03] <luca> rick_h__: I really wasn’t watching my calendar
[13:03] <luca> rick_h__: I’ll jump on, sorry
[13:14] <urulama> hi there hatch
[13:15] <hatch> hey urulama hows it going?
[13:15] <urulama> hatch: great, thanks ... had a good way back?
[13:15] <hatch> flight was delayed out of LHR so I had to spend the night in YYZ before getting back home
[13:16] <hatch> at which point I rolled my ankle
[13:16] <hatch> lo
[13:16] <hatch> l
[13:16] <hatch> so no
[13:16] <hatch> haha
[13:16] <urulama> auch
[13:16] <hatch> how was yours?
[13:17] <urulama> nothing as drastic as yours ... taxi, bus, writing some docs at the airport while eating "great" food, landing in a rainy and foggy Slovenia ... and all the English complaining that they should of stayed at home :D
[13:18] <hatch> haha
[13:19] <urulama> hope your ankle is better now, otherwise your 1% of life in your work-life balance could be endangered!
[13:20] <hatch> haha right
[13:36] <rick_h__> hatch: are you on the search bug this morning?
[13:36] <hatch> rick_h__ yeah I will be
[13:36] <rick_h__> hatch: ok cool thanks
[13:37] <frankban> rick_h__: it seems the API allows for hulk-smashing two different units in the same top level machine
[13:37] <rick_h__> frankban: it works? I talked with someone on core about it and everything. I hope I'm not crazy
[13:38] <hatch> I can't seem to be able to make g+ turn my London photo album into a story :(
[13:38] <rick_h__> hatch: sometimes takes a few days
[13:38] <hatch> oh ok I'll give it a wait
[13:46] <rick_h__> over 400 emails down to 280 go go go
[13:50] <urulama> rick_h__: ctrl+a, mark as read :P
[13:50] <rick_h__> :P
[13:50] <rick_h__> frankban: sorry for the bug mail span
[13:50] <rick_h__> I fail at tab mgt today
[13:51] <luca> rick_h__: The summary is all good
[13:51] <rick_h__> luca ty much
[13:51] <luca> rick_h__: no probs
[14:16] <frankban> rick_h__: I confirm juju stable allows co-locating two units. Do we still want to enforce one unit per container?
[14:16] <frankban> (tried also on ec2)
[14:18] <frankban> rick_h__: I'd suggest not to. And we can just add those checks: 1) on an existing machine/container, no services with a different series are allowed. 2) on a ghost machine/container, dropped units must share the same series
[14:20] <frankban> juju-gui: are we aware of this bug? 1) go to http://comingsoon.jujucharms.com/ 2) drag/drop the mediawiki/single bundle 3) double click mediawiki to open the inspector 4) start zooming the canvas in/out and notice the mysql service box icon does not scale
[14:22] <hatch> looking
[14:23] <hatch> frankban working fine on OSX Chome 36.0
[14:24] <frankban> hatch: chrome on linux here
[14:25] <hatch> frankban chrome has a number of svg rendering bugs, on linux even more so, I wouldn't doubt that it happens :)
[14:25] <frankban> hatch: works ok with firefox
[14:27] <kadams54> frankban: I've seen problems with the SVG icons in Canary/Mac for awhile now. Like hatch says, seems to be something in Chrome/Canary.
[14:27] <frankban> hatch: I can dupe it with OSX chrome 36  :-/
[14:27] <kadams54> I don't know what, but it isn't fixed by switching Chrome versions or re-installing.
[14:27] <hatch> really? any errors? I really can't repro
[14:29] <frankban> hatch: no errors
[14:30] <rick_h__> frankban: yea that sounds like a plan I guess.
[14:31] <rick_h__> frankban: and yea, we'll need to make sure the UX makes it make sense and help guide the user
[14:31] <rick_h__> frankban: I hit that during my demo to mark and not sure what's up. Haven't investigated farther
[14:31] <hatch> frankban so the label for creating a relation doesn't scale (as intended) but the icons both scale without issue here...
[14:32] <hatch> frankban rick_h__  so we are allowing multiple units to be placed on the 'base container' via the GUI?
[14:33] <rick_h__> hatch: yea, something must have chnged since the demo and it seems it's possible now
[14:33] <rick_h__> hatch: so the reason we killed it was the api didn't let us do it, but seems that's changed or I had a dream about it all back in the demo days
[14:33] <hatch> hmm ok then - I am pretty sure there is still a bug somewhere in there because that's how kadams54 got into his broken state
[14:33] <rick_h__> hatch: oh definitely, this is a bit outside of that stuff
[14:34] <rick_h__> there's issues around series matching and container types allowed and more
[14:34] <hatch> gotcha ok cool, just trying to stay in the loop :)
[14:34] <rick_h__> heh, you and me both :)
[14:34] <hatch> haha
[14:35] <hatch> so it took me just over 1.5H to get from the office and through security in LHR and there wasn't a single delay
[14:35] <rick_h__> yea, I know huw and I planned on 2hrs to get through airport and be there 2hrs early so left at 9am for a 1pm flight
[14:36] <hatch> crazy how long it takes
[14:42] <rick_h__> hatch: jcsackett did we get anywhere with this 'major/minor uncomitted' stuff?
[14:42] <rick_h__> I feel like we brought it up but can't find any notes/bugs/updates on that
[14:42] <hatch> rick_h__ yeah the only 'minor' thing has been fixed
[14:43] <jcsackett> rick_h__: it was referenced, but i don't recall serious discussion about it.
[14:43] <jcsackett> rick_h__: i *think* hatch saw some stuff about it in one of the mockups.
[14:43] <hatch> it was just setting of a config moved into the other list
[14:43] <rick_h__> hatch: ok, I see your email to luca, you're set then? We have a bug/card to work on it?
[14:43] <rick_h__> e.g. I can delete this email :)
[14:43] <hatch> I did what needed to be done already - the new UI has a nicer implementation so we'll probably wait until that's done
[14:43] <rick_h__> ok cool
[14:44] <hatch> autocompleteDataFormatter is apparently undocumented everywhere wrt the autocomplete widget...heh
[14:44] <rick_h__> woot
[14:44] <hatch> do you remember where you found it?
[14:44] <rick_h__> the source probably
[14:52] <hatch> well it doesn't exist
[14:52] <hatch> heh
[14:53] <rick_h__> jujugui call in 8
[14:53] <rick_h__> jujugui kanban please
[14:53] <rick_h__> hatch: oh, is that something I wrote then?
[14:54] <hatch> haha yup
[14:54] <hatch> bah clearly still jet lagged
[15:00] <rick_h__> jujugui call now jcsackett
[15:02] <jcsackett> rick_h__: whoops, coming now.
[15:24] <urulama> jrwren_: after you're done with reading docs, we could have a chat about that tomorrow morning (your time) ... rick_h__ want to join?
[15:24] <jcastro> rick_h__, heya
[15:24] <jcastro> rick_h__, so any progress on searching?
[15:24] <jcastro> I still can't find anything
[15:24] <rick_h__> jcastro: yes and yes?
[15:24] <rick_h__> jcastro: what's up?
[15:24] <rick_h__> urulama: sure, happy to help
[15:24] <rick_h__> jcastro: hatch is working on the bug for the autocomplete that came out, but not sure what you mean 'I still can't find anything'
[15:24] <jrwren_> urulama: whenever you wish. I don't need to be done reading, I don't think :)
[15:25] <jcastro> rick_h__, do you know if quickstart/deployer will work if bundles are in github?
[15:25] <Makyo> REstart for updates, back in a sec
[15:25] <frankban> urulama: created the card: add a command to start the server...
[15:25] <rick_h__> jcastro: if you give it the raw bundle file (http://.....) it should work
[15:25] <urulama> frankban: thanks
[15:25] <rick_h__> jcastro: not sure on deployer, I know quickstart will use a url
[15:25] <rick_h__> at least I believe it will
[15:26] <urulama> frankban: i've moved it at the top, 1st card
[15:27] <hatch> jcastro what are you searching for that you're unable to find?
[15:28] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/charmworld/+bug/1348290
[15:28] <_mup_> Bug #1348290: charm searching returns odd results at times <landscape> <charmworld:Invalid by bac> <juju-gui:In Progress by hatch> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1348290>
[15:28] <jcastro> if you search for "hadoop" you get a bunch of crap
[15:28] <rick_h__> jcastro: right, that's in progress right now
[15:28] <hatch> yeah I'm working on that one right now
[15:28] <rick_h__> jcastro: hopefully have a fix later today/tomorrow and we'll do a new release this week
[15:28] <hazmat> jcastro,  rick_h__, deployer supports a bundle  url on the cli and also for internal imports
[15:28] <rick_h__> hazmat: awesome
[15:29] <jcastro> ugh, this sidebar is killing me
[15:29] <jcastro> I totally don't understand
[15:29] <rick_h__> jcastro: ?
[15:29] <jcastro> can we get the fullscreen search back?
[15:29] <jcastro> rick_h__, I still can't use the gui to search for bundles and charms I want
[15:29] <rick_h__> jcastro: rgr, went to PM
[15:32] <urulama> jujugui: going afk for 3h ... see you later
[16:08] <hatch> rick_h__ it seems that a number of people are using the autocomplete results instead of the real search results, maybe we should drop the autocomplete and put the autocomplete results in the sidebar...to avoid confusion
[16:12] <rick_h__> hatch: I think we can make the autocomplete better. I mean we're hearing a lot from a set of people using autocomplete because it comes up first.
[16:12] <rick_h__> I'm not sure the best answer is 'remove the feature' vs improving it
[16:13] <hatch> right - but it's super confusing, even with it working properly you could get three mysql's (for example) all with icons all called 'mysql'
[16:13] <rick_h__> hatch: otp but let's chat and see what we can do to make it better.
[16:13] <hatch> yeah sure
[16:13] <hatch> I'm just thinking ahead
[16:13] <hatch> ping whenever
[16:14] <rick_h__> hatch: nothing says we can't not do that. show one mysql named service and move up other options
[16:14] <hatch> maybe the issue is that we have never defined what AC was supposed to do, atm it's just a poor version of the real search results
[16:14] <rick_h__> rgr
[17:02]  * rick_h__ goes to get lunch
[17:59]  * rick_h__ is back and such
[18:24] <hatch> holy smokes qa'ing this bug is painful
[18:24] <hatch> I mean...it's AMAZING
[18:27] <hatch> ;)
[18:32] <jrwren_> painfully amazing or amazingly painful or both?
[18:37] <hatch> definitely amazingly painful
[18:37] <hatch> ;)
[18:37] <hatch> bbiab lunching
[18:50] <rick_h__> hatch: let me know when you're back
[19:00] <hatch> rick_h__ backattack
[19:01] <rick_h__> hatch: sorry, next call here. Will try to find a chance
[19:01] <hatch> haha np
[19:31] <hatch> jcsackett are you around?
[19:47] <jcsackett> hatch: what's up.
[19:47] <hatch> jcsackett didn't you land a branch which fixed the /inspector/serviceName bug which caused it to lock up the charmbrowser?
[19:48] <hatch> I know there was some issues but I thought we just ignored the /inspector urls for now
[19:48] <jcsackett> hatch: i dealt with a couple dispatch issues around inspector, but i don't remember anything about locking up the charmbrowser.
[19:48] <hatch> when I access a /inspector url the charmbrowser is blank and the charm details breakout is shown and blank
[19:48] <hatch> on a real env of course
[19:50] <hatch> this isn't ringing any bells?
[19:51] <rick_h__> hatch: I've got 10min
[19:52] <rick_h__> hatch: in the standup url
[19:52] <hatch> ok joining
[19:52] <hatch> it's taking a while to connect
[19:53] <jcsackett> hatch: no bells have rung, but if it's only in a real env my guess is the retry loop is blowing its stack.
[20:00] <hatch> jcsackett right - but there was some reason why you didn't fix it before
[20:00] <hatch> I remember you started to fix it then quit for some reason
[20:00] <hatch> but I wasn't sure where you quit at
[20:01] <hatch> because right now if you get handed a /inspector url the GUI  is useless because it errors out
[20:12] <urulama> jujugui good night all
[20:16] <hatch> jcsackett well I wasn't sure if this existed or not so I created another bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1349565
[20:16] <_mup_> Bug #1349565: visiting a /inspector url in a real env causes the charmbrowser to be blank <juju-gui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1349565>
[20:51] <jcsackett> jujugui: can someone take a look at https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/459
[20:51] <jcsackett> i guess two someone's per standup.
[20:51] <kadams54> Looking…
[21:06] <kadams54> jcsackett: comments added; let me know if I'm talking crazy talk.
[21:10] <hatch> jujugui when addressing review comments wrt this new 2-review policy we should not rebase until the final merge in so that we can keep the comment history alive
[21:10] <jcsackett> hatch: +1
[21:11] <kadams54> hatch: +1, though I thought that's what we were already doing?
[21:11] <jcsackett> kadams54: i think hatch means don't rebase between the two reviewers.
[21:11] <hatch> yeah that
[21:11] <kadams54> jcsackett: Oh yeah… I tend not to rebase until the very last step before shipit.
[21:12] <kadams54> It scales nicely with N+1 reviewers ;-)
[21:12] <jcsackett> kadams54: me too.
[21:13] <kadams54> Definitely good to discuss though… that's one of the hard things as a newbie is the things that the team decided on in retros that's not documented anywhere.
[21:15] <jcsackett> we should probably update the hacking docs with this stuff.
[21:16]  * jcsackett calls "not it"
[21:25] <rick_h__> jcsackett: hatch friday card?
[21:26]  * rick_h__ runs away for to get the boy until later tonight
[21:26] <rick_h__> have a good day all
[21:35] <jcsackett> kadams54: you were not talking nonsense, for the most part--i'm going to look into the not using the DOM suggestion. see my response about the boolean parameter for finding things.
[22:31] <jcsackett> kadams54: pushed the change.
[22:44] <kadams54> jcsackett: cool, looking...
[23:08] <huwshimi> Morning


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[01:39] <charlie-tca> I couldn't take it anymore...
[01:39] <charlie-tca> bug 681622
[01:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 681622 in ubuntu-website "Can not read gray on gray text on https://wiki.ubuntu.com (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/681622
[01:39] <charlie-tca> first of many to be filed against the website
[01:41] <TheMuso> heh
[11:19] <hajour> hello i have a question  .every time i log in .in this chat.i see *Recieved aCTCP VERSION from frigg.what does that mean?
[11:47] <hajour> already now the answer from undifined
[13:31] <kinouchou> hello
[21:35] <hajour> so i have put al lot of information on my profile.its not yet ready but after 3 hours work.i found it enough for now
[21:36] <hajour> realy need some coffee now
[23:05] <cprofitt> Pendulum: for the wiki page on accessibility and wiki headers...
[23:05] <cprofitt> should that page be off the accessibility page?
[23:42] <hajour> i dont see pendulum on the list.think see is not online


[05:42] <BiosElement> How's it rockin at 2am folks? :P
[05:42] <canthus13> Annoyingly.
[05:42] <canthus13> My wife has been threatening to have a baby for weeks now.
[06:09] <BiosElement> >.<
[06:16] <Cheri703> I'm watching random movies on netflix
[06:16] <canthus13> yeah... we're hoping it'll be here tomorrow so I don't miss work.
[06:20] <canthus13> Cheri703: Oh... I'm interviewing with the Ohio Veteran's Home for a Info Tech 3 position> :)
[06:20] <Cheri703> Very cool!
[06:27] <canthus13> Just gotta figure out how to impress 'em now.
[07:08] <Cheri703> :)