[12:16] <ubunt> mc__: I see and there is no way around. So by installing this package I could breake the system. To bad.
[12:17] <mc__> ubunt: no,not really the system
[12:17] <mc__> ubunt: ust the package could fail
[12:18] <ubunt> mc__: and this could be fixed by dpkg --purge I guess
[12:18] <mc__> ubunt: exactly
[12:18] <ubunt> mc__: did you ever test another Debian like system?
[12:19] <mc__> ubunt: of course,i used pure debian a long time
[12:19] <mc__> ubunt: and i still use debian stable as my server
[12:22] <MidMark> someone uses mysql graphical admin?
[12:22] <MidMark> it's totally buggy
[12:23] <mc__> MidMark: learn sql
[12:23] <mc__> MidMark: or try phpMyAdmin
[12:24] <mc__> MidMark: it's used to be quite stable
[12:24] <MidMark> downloading...
[12:24] <MidMark> thanx
[12:24] <MidMark> the mysqladmin crashed 5 times and freezed twice
[12:25] <MidMark> unusable
[12:25] <ubun> sorry I did something wrong. I was ubunt before
[12:27] <stani> join #ubuntu-motu
[12:27] <stani> join #motu-ubuntu
[12:27] <cloakable> Does anyone know how to enable zeroconf in the firewall?
[12:29] <nickv111> Grr. What is the module I need to load to recognize an ATI SB card?
[12:29] <nickv111> It's in my laptop
[12:29] <cloakable> !mdns
[12:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mdns - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:29] <cloakable> !avahi
[12:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about avahi - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:30] <LjL> !fishing
[12:30] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots - Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops... ;-)
[12:30] <LjL> !bot
[12:30] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[12:30] <cloakable> !LiL
[12:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about LiL - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:30] <cloakable> !LjL
[12:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about LjL - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:31] <LjL> cloakable, i'm not kidding - you're just not supposed to play around with the bots. if you're searching for a factoid, look at the usage info above, and use a private query with the bot
[12:32] <cloakable> LjL: Fair enough.
[12:33] <poningru> !kernel
[12:33] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[12:39] <animimotus> hi
[12:39] <remy> hi everyone
[12:39] <animimotus> I want make some caracter who are not on my keyboard, what's the name of the application I must have ?
[12:46] <humbolt> in software sources you can choose "proposed updates". what is that for? I know what security updates and backports are, but what is "proposed updates" meant for?
[12:46] <Malician> I just managed to get kubuntu installed, and it seems quite bare-bones - there're no icons on the desktop, links to hard drives or devices, etc
[12:47] <Malician> did I mess up somehow?
[12:48] <SUNGAM> Malician, do you have the taskbar and the menu?
[12:48] <Malician> yeah..
[12:48] <SUNGAM> think that's pretty much it :)
[12:48] <SUNGAM> open Konqueror to see your folders
[12:49] <Malician> ahhh, I see - you can get to that stuff off the menu
[12:49] <SUNGAM> Malician,  yup. Think you can drag and drop stuff onto the desktop if you want, too
[12:51] <Malician> huh, the dragging doesn't seem to be working
[12:52] <Telroth_Plushie|> Malician,
[12:52] <otaku-san> Does anyone know where konquerors style sheet is?  I'm trying to put a background I made on it....but it isn't working
[12:52] <afm\colossus> Malician: navigate to media:/ in konqueror
[12:52] <Telroth_Plushie|> do you have an icon on your taskbar that pops up "System menu" when you hover your cursor over it?
[12:52] <otaku-san> and I'm hoping that looking at konquerors style sheet may give me a clue
[12:53] <Malician> yeah, I get it - I can drag out of konqueror
[12:53] <Telroth_Plushie|> Malician,
[12:54] <Telroth_Plushie|> there's also a taskbar item that has a menu that has the equivilents of "my documents", "my computer", and "my network places" in it
[12:54] <Telroth_Plushie|> i use that because it uses up less space on my desktop
[12:54] <Telroth_Plushie|> but still provides quick access
[12:54] <Malician> i'm trying to figure how to drag it onto the desktop
[12:55] <SUNGAM> Telroth_Plushie|: thanks for the help last night, btw. Never figured out what was wrong, but once I'd created a new user I could log back in with the the original one :)
[12:55] <Malician> does kubuntu automatically recognize both processor cores?
[12:56] <wildchild> is there any utillity to show what proccesor I have, graphic card, mother board, like aida32 for windows
[12:56] <SUNGAM> Malician: are you on 6.10 or 6.06?
[12:56] <Malician> 6.190
[12:56] <Malician> *6.10
[12:56] <Telroth_Plushie|> Malician,
[12:56] <SUNGAM> Malician: then it should. At least it did for me (dual core intel)
[12:56] <Telroth_Plushie|> right click -> new -> link to url
[12:57] <Telroth_Plushie|> filename = "My Computer", url = "file:///media"
[12:57] <Telroth_Plushie|> click ok
[12:57] <Telroth_Plushie|> right click on the new icon on the desktop, select properties
[12:57] <Telroth_Plushie|> click on the icon in the upper left hand corner
[12:58] <Telroth_Plushie|> choose the icon you like
[12:58] <Malician> huh, that's funny - evidentally my hard drive isn't in the media folder
[12:58] <Telroth_Plushie|> you sure?
[12:58] <Telroth_Plushie|> what's in /media ?
[12:58] <Malician> cdrom0 and sata
[12:58] <Malician> which is another hard drive that i mounted
[12:58] <Malician> not the one i'm running on
[12:58] <Telroth_Plushie|> oh
[12:58] <Telroth_Plushie|> the harddrive you're running on is mounted at /
[12:58] <SUNGAM> Malician: the one you're running on is most likely root
[12:59] <SUNGAM> what he said :)
[12:59] <Telroth_Plushie|> what is the equivilent of the "C:\" drive is always located at /
[12:59] <Telroth_Plushie|> (with very, very rare exceptions)
[12:59] <Malician> I upgraded my motherboard
[12:59] <Malician> and it effectively killed both my win XP and my SuSE installations
[01:00] <Malician> and I figured that was a good time to move to ubuntu
[01:00] <SUNGAM> :)
[01:00] <Telroth_Plushie|> welcome to kubuntu then :P
[01:00] <Malician> i dunno much about ubuntu, but in my experience the big distros have the most developers, and if i ever want to do something all the guides are for ubuntu
[01:00] <Malician> xp
[01:00] <Telroth_Plushie|> yup
[01:01] <Telroth_Plushie|> they are also the only distro i've used so far that has java prepackaged
[01:01] <Malician> i dislike the lack of apt
[01:01] <Malician> at least, i can't find it
[01:01] <Telroth_Plushie|> ubuntu has apt
[01:01] <Telroth_Plushie|> i use it all the time
[01:01] <Malician> bash: apt: command not found
[01:01] <SUNGAM> Malician: ubuntuguide.org and ubuntuforums.org are invaluable :)
[01:01] <Telroth_Plushie|> "sudo apt-get install myWonderfulProgram"
[01:01] <Telroth_Plushie|> aptitude is also installed by default iirc
[01:01] <Malician> AHHHHHH
[01:01] <SUNGAM> or adept in KDE
[01:01] <Malician> you have to use apt-get
[01:02] <Telroth_Plushie|> ubuntu is based off of debian
[01:02] <Telroth_Plushie|> debian uses apt
[01:02] <Malician> yeah
[01:02] <Telroth_Plushie|> apt-get for packages
[01:02] <Telroth_Plushie|> apt-source for sources that get built
[01:02] <Malician> i ran a super suse distro that came with apt, 700 meg install cd
[01:02] <toc> hi
[01:02] <Telroth_Plushie|> apt-cache for browsing the package lists
[01:02] <toc> is kubuntu a live distro?
[01:02] <Malician> does debian use smart?
[01:02] <Telroth_Plushie|> yes.
[01:02] <Malician> and/or do you guys use that?
[01:02] <SUNGAM> toc: yes, it has a live CD
[01:02] <Telroth_Plushie|> Malician, never heard of that
[01:03] <LjL> !smartpm
[01:03] <toc> yes to me, Telroth_Plushie|?
[01:03] <ubotu> smartpm: An alternative package manager that works with dpkg/rpm. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.42-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 41 kB, installed size 328 kB
[01:03] <Telroth_Plushie|> toc, yes
[01:03] <Malician> i dislike smart because it's horrendously slow
[01:03] <toc> ok, ty
[01:03] <Telroth_Plushie|> the kubuntu install disk is a live cd
[01:03] <toc> see you all
[01:03] <toc> :)
[01:03] <Telroth_Plushie|> there's an icon on the desktop to install it
[01:03] <Malician> but it's kinda the only option because it doesn't have the dependency problems apt has
[01:03] <Telroth_Plushie|> just double click
[01:03] <toc> ty for helping
[01:03] <toc> ;)
[01:03] <Malician> smart will downgrade programs and such, which apt can't do
[01:03] <Telroth_Plushie|> Malician, i haven't encountered dependency problems
[01:03] <Malician> maybe debian's smoother then suse
[01:04] <Telroth_Plushie|> aptitude is supposedly better than apt-get at dependency
[01:04] <SUNGAM> supposedly Aptitude is very good with dependencies, if you ever experience any problems with apt-get
[01:04] <SUNGAM> bah... you'r etoo fast :)
[01:04] <SUNGAM> *you're
[01:04] <rag> please how to apt list translations?
[01:04] <Malician> mm.  *thinks* so I need.. to somehow find a way to fit 90 gigs of data on two 30 gig drives
[01:05] <Telroth_Plushie|> adept is a graphical frontend to apt-get or aptitude (not sure which), but it's horribly slow
[01:05] <Malician> at which point I can reinstall linux on the big drive, my data saved
[01:05] <Telroth_Plushie|> Malician, tar.gz?
[01:05] <Malician> and then installl windows on the two small drives
[01:05] <Telroth_Plushie|> .rar?
[01:05] <Telroth_Plushie|> bzip2 is probably the best compression
[01:05] <Malician> you can't compress compressed music / movies
[01:05] <Malician> xp
[01:05] <Telroth_Plushie|> Malician, try it, never know what bzip2 can do
[01:06] <Telroth_Plushie|> use ark
[01:06] <Telroth_Plushie|> and tell it to create a bzip2 archive
[01:06] <Malician> granted, some of it's stuff i ripped from my dvd collection - i can just rerip that
[01:06] <Malician> later
[01:10] <Malician> are there any major disadvantages / advantages between suse and kubuntu?
[01:10] <Malician> other then the ballooning ubuntu community being helpful?
[01:11] <afm\colossus> well, it's rpm vs. dpkg
[01:11] <afm\colossus> -> dpkg wins
[01:11] <afm\colossus> FATALITY!
[01:11] <Malician> *chuckles*
[01:11] <Malician> any reason?
[01:11] <afm\colossus> the various ubuntu flavours are really nicely crafted
[01:11] <afm\colossus> and not overloaded with software by default
[01:12] <afm\colossus> esp. not redundant applications
[01:12] <BluesKaj> And no Yast ! :)
[01:12] <Kr4t05> Malician: Ubuntu doesn't have a contract with Microsoft!
[01:12] <Kr4t05> Unlike Novell. >>
[01:12] <Malician> that falls under "ballooning ubuntu community" =p
[01:12] <SUNGAM> :)
[01:13] <cloakable> :)
[01:13] <Malician> novell is like a dog that chewed up your slippers
[01:13] <Malician> they still love you and they want you back
[01:13] <Malician> but they just dont get what they did wrong
[01:13] <Malician> and never really will
[01:13] <SUNGAM> hehe
[01:13] <BluesKaj> suse sucks ...I tried several distros ...never did feel the need to keep using a broken OS
[01:13] <Malician> the install disc i used came with apt, a fully functional desktop, along with mp3 and dvd support
[01:13] <Malician> which is why i liked it
[01:14] <Malician> but it's not being updated anymore =/
[01:14] <SUNGAM> I wish IBM would make a Debian/Ubuntu version of it's Thinkvantage tools. Then I wouldn't have to think about trying SuSe :)
[01:15] <afm\colossus> as long as there's ibm_acpi
[01:15] <afm\colossus> i could not care less about that "Access IBM/Lenovo"-bullshit
[01:15] <BluesKaj> gawd help you sungam, ...don't even think about it
[01:16] <Malician> HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
[01:16] <Malician> i just copied over my firefox and swiftfox folders
[01:16] <Malician> from the broken suse install
[01:16] <Malician> and they WROK
[01:16] <Malician> *work
[01:16] <sungam> afm\colossus: I want my Client Security hardware to work :)
[01:16] <Malician> installed firefox via apt
[01:16] <Malician> and it runs with all my old settings
[01:16] <Malician> that's awesome
[01:17] <afm\colossus> Malician: well, that's pretty much always the case with a GNU system
[01:17] <afm\colossus> or a UNIX
[01:17] <Malician> .. the adobe flash 9 plugin still works
[01:17] <afm\colossus> ~ rocks
[01:17] <Malician> since the plugin folder is under .mozilla
[01:17] <Malician> that simply rocks beyond belief
[01:17] <sorush20> ktorrent keeps crashing and freezing my computer. what can I do ?
[01:18] <afm\colossus> check your hardware, ktorrent runs perfectly fine on all my desktop machines
[01:18] <BluesKaj> use azureus , ktorrent is unstable in edgy
[01:18] <sungam> afm\colossus: Do you have a Thinkpad with HDAPS?
[01:18] <afm\colossus> http://www.wygodnezakupy.pl/images/Casio-WVA-430TDE-1A2VER.jpg - what do you think of that watch? neat or not?
[01:18] <afm\colossus> sungam: nope, a T40
[01:18] <afm\colossus> but i'm gonna get a X60s with a core 2 duo as soon as they're available
[01:18] <devinus> what's a good KDE Gnutella file-sharer that's not Java based? :-(
[01:18] <afm\colossus> (if ever ;))
[01:20] <sungam> afm\colossus: ah... can't get the queue freeze patches to work, unfortunately. So I can use the HDAPS as a smackpad, but no actualy harddrive protection :)
[01:20] <sungam> not to mention the theft-alarm... equally useful
[01:21] <devinus> anybody know of a p2p client that's for KDE?
[01:24] <Malician> yes
[01:24] <Malician> bittorrent
[01:24] <Malician> there's gotta be at least one kde bittorrent client
[01:25] <Malician> ktorrent, actually
[01:25] <devinus> oh i mean gnutella
[01:25] <devinus> like FrostWire
[01:25] <devinus> but...erm
[01:25] <devinus> not Java
[01:25] <devinus> QT based perhaps?
[01:28] <ubuntu_> hello
[01:29] <Admiral_Chicago> what sound driver should i use for flash sound to work?
[01:31] <sungam> Admiral_Chicago: in Firefox?
[01:31] <Admiral_Chicago> sungam: yes
[01:31] <sungam> Admiral_Chicago: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=303028
[01:31] <Admiral_Chicago> sungam: beta 9?
[01:32] <sungam> Admiral_Chicago:  worked for me.
[01:32] <Admiral_Chicago> okay i'll give it a shot
[01:32] <sungam> Admiral_Chicago:  although I couldn't find the /etc/firefox/firefoxrc file
[01:32] <mooreand13213> i need help installing the nvidia driver. i can go through the tutorial just fine, but i can't even boot into kubuntu at all. anyone patient enough to help a total newb?
[01:32] <sungam> Admiral_Chicago:  still worked, though :)
[01:38] <laalitha_> how do I add a open terminal to right click menu
[01:41] <Malician> got a problem
[01:41] <Admiral_Chicago> sungam: i don't think that worked
[01:41] <Malician> ubuntu
[01:41] <Malician> loses my network settings every time it reboots
[01:41] <Malician> or at least
[01:41] <Malician> it disables the interface
[01:41] <sungam> Admiral_Chicago: did you try running it 'aoss firefox'?
[01:41] <ubuntu_> hi all, Im trying out kubuntu, where do I get dvdcss package?
[01:41] <Admiral_Chicago> yes
[01:41] <Admiral_Chicago> brb let me try it again
[01:42] <Admiral_Chicago> !restricted > ubuntu_
[01:42] <sungam> Admiral_Chicago: if that doesn't work, then I dont' know. it worked first time around for me.
[01:42] <sungam> mooreand13213: I'm sorry, I don't know. Never had any serious issues when installing the Nvidia beta drivers
[01:43] <sungam> mooreand13213: how far into the boot process do you get?
[01:44] <mooreand13213> i try to pick to boot into safe graphics mode, but i just get colored lines
[01:45] <sungam> mooreand13213: then I don't know. Thought it may be because of a misconfigured xorg.conf, but I've always been able to boot into safe-mode when it's been messed up
[01:45] <mooreand13213> its not even installed though, im just trying to boot the live cd
[01:46] <sungam> oh
[01:46] <Admiral_Chicago> ah Alsa can't find my card correctly
[01:46] <BluesKaj> and Can't install jack properly
[01:46] <sungam> Admiral_Chicago:  that would explain it I guess :)
[01:47] <Admiral_Chicago> OSS works fine as a sound engine :\
[01:47] <sungam> mooreand13213: hopefully someone more knowledgeable than me will come along :)
[01:47] <mooreand13213> its weird, cuz i had ubuntu on here before and i never had trouble booting ot safe graphics mode
[01:47] <Admiral_Chicago> crimsun: got time to help me with my Alsa?
[01:47] <mooreand13213> thanx for trying
[01:48] <BluesKaj> been trying off and on for 2 days to install Jackeq ...it won't go!
[01:48] <sungam> mooreand13213: if you think it's something that will go away once it's installed you could always try to install it from text mode on the alternative cd
[01:48] <Admiral_Chicago> BluesKaj: sudo apt-get install jackeq?
[01:48] <BluesKaj> no kidding
[01:49] <Admiral_Chicago> that doesn't work?
[01:49] <mooreand13213> i guess ill give it a shot
[01:50] <BluesKaj> nope Admiral_Chicago, ...it fails on launch ...it's a buggy version in the repos
[01:50] <sungam> Admiral_Chicago: out of curiosity. How do you see how alsa has detected your card correctly? from the listing in the 'alsamixer' gui?
[01:51] <jon_> is there a channel for audacity?
[01:51] <Admiral_Chicago> sungam: when i ran it as aossfirefox in terminal, alsa gave some output errors
[01:51] <Admiral_Chicago> #audacity
[01:51] <Admiral_Chicago> maybe
[01:52] <sungam> Admiral_Chicago: ah, ok :)
[01:52] <Admiral_Chicago> sungam: do you get any errors+
[01:52] <jon_> how do i get libmp3lame.so?
[01:53] <Admiral_Chicago> !lame
[01:53] <ubotu> lame: LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.96.1-2 (edgy), package size 260 kB, installed size 696 kB
[01:53] <Admiral_Chicago> "sudo apt-get install lame" i think
[01:53] <sungam> sungam: npe
[01:53] <sungam> bah
[01:53] <sungam> *Admiral_Chicago: nope
[01:54] <Admiral_Chicago> okay, i'll fix it later
[01:54] <jon_> i already have lame installed
[01:54] <jon_> but im trying to save something in audacity as an mp3
[01:56] <Goofy_OS2> All, I new to Kubuntu/Linux. I've a Ati radeon X1300. My grahics are not accelarated, so have a lot of hicks... very frustating. How can i change this...
[01:57] <sorush20> ktorrent keeps crashing and freezing my computer. what can I do ?
[01:58] <Jucato> !ati | Goofy_OS2
[01:58] <ubotu> Goofy_OS2: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:58] <Goofy_OS2> Hmm forgot to mention i'm  on 64bits AMD
[01:59] <jdt> Hi all, has anyone experienced the problem when the adept package manager will launch once, and then if closed, cannot be launched again. It simply asks for a password - and then - nothing.
[02:00] <sungam> jdt: check if it's already running ( ps aux | grep adept_manager )
[02:01] <sungam> jdt: if it is, kill it and remove /var/lib/dpkg/lock (just the lock file)
[02:01] <sungam> jdt:  then run a 'sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[02:02] <jdt> sungam: thanks, yes, lots of processes. I am killing them off now and will do as advised - back shortly
[02:03] <sungam> jdt: happens to me so much I've written a script for cleaning up after adept :)
[02:03] <Goofy_OS2> ubotu: Thnx I reading and testing... How do I this: glxinfo |grep direct outputs direct rendering: No, or it outputs direct rendering: Yes, but performance in 3D applications such as games is unacceptable
[02:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Thnx I reading and testing... How do I this: glxinfo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:03] <sungam> Goofy_OS2: ubotu is a bot :)
[02:03] <Goofy_OS2> sungam: I saw it ;-(
[02:04] <Goofy_OS2> too late :-)
[02:04] <sungam> :p
[02:04] <jdt> sungam: thanks, yes, I just wasnt sure if I was getting carried away with adding extra repo's and had caused myself a problem
[02:05] <sungam> jdt: did it work?
[02:05] <Goofy_OS2> Jucato: Card is identified as Ati X1300. how can i do the test with glxinfo?
[02:05] <jdt> sungam: so, just delete the lock file yeah/
[02:05] <jdt> ?
[02:05] <Jucato> Goofy_OS2: sorry, I'm not familiar with ATI
[02:06] <sungam> jdt: yes, delete the lock file, then run 'dpkg --configure -a'
[02:06] <Goofy_OS2> Jucato: Okay thnx anyway
[02:06] <sungam> with a sudo if necessary :)
[02:06] <Goofy_OS2> sungam: You're familiar with an ATI?
[02:06] <Jucato> Hi Admiral_Chicago
[02:06] <sungam> Goofy_OS2: no, sorry
[02:06] <jdt> sungam: And it worked!
[02:06] <sungam> jdt: awesome :)
[02:06] <jdt> Thanks very much.
[02:07] <Goofy_OS2> sungam: Thnx...
[02:07] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: btw, do you translate on Rosetta?
[02:07] <Jucato> nope
[02:07] <Admiral_Chicago> you should, you're in PH right?
[02:08] <Jucato> unfortunately, I'm not good in translations :)
[02:08] <jdt> sungam: Thats helped me heaps, thanks
[02:12] <sungam> jdt: there's a small script at http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/AVlVys23.html that automates the cleanup after an adept crash.
[02:13] <Malician> KDE system guard only has one CPU indicator
[02:13] <Malician> is there a way to get it to show different load indicators for each processor core?
[02:13] <Malician> or does that mean kubuntu is only using one processor core
[02:14] <sungam> Malician: Kpowersave shows it for me, at least hte running frequency
[02:14] <jdt> sungam: thanks I've created it local. cheers.
[02:15] <sungam> :)
[02:17] <EricJ2190> does anyone here know how to use iptables to forward all ports for an ip?
[02:17] <Malician> sungam, does it show load indicators?
[02:17] <Malician> ala, cpu core 1 is 25% busy, cpu 2 core is 30%
[02:18] <Malician> etc
[02:18] <sungam> oh, no. not load indicators
[02:19] <Admiral_Chicago> sungam: ah i get it now, my card wasn't working
[02:20] <Admiral_Chicago> err being detected by ALSA
[02:21] <sungam> Admiral_Chicago: is it working now?
[02:21] <Admiral_Chicago> working on it
[02:21] <sungam> :)
[02:27] <Admiral_Chicago> freddy@freddy-testing:~$ echo options snd-intel8x0 >> /etc/modprobe.d/snd-intel8x0
[02:27] <Admiral_Chicago> bash: /etc/modprobe.d/snd-intel8x0: Permission denied
[02:27] <Admiral_Chicago> does anyone understand why I am getting this?
[02:27] <Admiral_Chicago> working on getting my sound working
[02:28] <sungam> cause you need to sudo it?
[02:29] <Admiral_Chicago> sungam: nope
[02:29] <Admiral_Chicago> same error
[02:30] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: the snd-intel8x0 file is not owned by you. a simple sudo won't be enough because you are only sudoing the first part of the command
[02:30] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: i don't understand
[02:31] <sungam> Admiral_Chicago : to change my trackpoint sensitivity I hvae to 'echo -n 0 > sudo /sys/.../whateversettingIwanttoset'
[02:31] <sungam> Admiral_Chicago : *have to
[02:31] <Kr4t05> Hrm...
[02:31] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: sudo would only affect the echo command (running echo as root). it doesn't give you permission to write to the file in /etc
[02:31] <sungam> Admiral_Chicago : not just 'sudo echo -n 0 > /sys/.../whatever setting'
[02:31] <Kr4t05> Does anyone happen to know why I can't load the nvidia kernel module?
[02:32] <Admiral_Chicago> hold on, let's speak english for a sec
[02:32] <Admiral_Chicago> i get that i can't write to /etc
[02:32] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: that's only afaik, btw
[02:32] <Admiral_Chicago> how could I change that
[02:33] <sungam> did you try running 'sudo echo option snd-intel8x0 >> /etc/modprobe.d/snd-intel8x0' or 'echo option snd-intel8x0 >> sudo /etc/modprobe.d/snd-intel8x0'?
[02:34] <sungam> notice the sudo is associated with the writing ot /etc/modprobe.d/snd-intel8x0 in the second statement. Not sure if it works with what you're oding, but it's what I had to do to configure my trackpoint (done through echoing)
[02:36] <Admiral_Chicago> umm, not sure what trackpointing is
[02:36] <sungam> trackpoint is a mouse/touchpad replacement :)
[02:37] <Admiral_Chicago> uhh
[02:37] <Admiral_Chicago> okay
[02:37] <sungam> Admiral_Chicago: or you can try doing 'sudo -s' before running your ocmmand, so you're stuck in root.
[02:38] <sungam> like Jucato said, you get the error because you run the echo as root, but not the writing command.
[02:38] <sungam> so you're reading the file with a sudo, but not the writing. Or something similar :)
[02:38] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: the only way I know of is to do the command as root with "sudo -i"
[02:39] <Admiral_Chicago> sec
[02:39] <Admiral_Chicago> it's working so far
[02:40] <jon_> everytime i hit my numberpad, my computer goes to sleep
[02:40] <jon_> doesnt matter what number i hit
[02:40] <Kr4t05> I'm on Edgy, and I'm trying to install the latest beta drivers from nVidia. However, I'm having trouble making them work,
[02:40] <Kr4t05> I get an error when I try to start X with the nvidia drivers.
[02:40] <Admiral_Chicago> dammit, this is being a beast
[02:44] <jerrold> im trying to install this plugin "3dworld"...i think i have to use svn to get it..but i dont have svn installed :)
[02:44] <jerrold> i did a apt-get install subversion...but im not sure if thats correct
[02:45] <Bulwinkle> Howdy all...  I just got kubuntu installed on my laptop (64bit) and I'm trying to get my broadcomm 34xx wireless working....
[02:45] <Bulwinkle> I've read a dozen different methods but what I understand is that the 64 bit driver will not work...  is this correct?
[02:46] <will> does kubuntu have a gkrellm monitor?
[02:48] <will> could somebody send me the link again about restricted formats?
[02:48] <Admiral_Chicago> !restricted
[02:48] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:48] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: if this works, i'm going to be pissed
[02:48] <alejandeus> dios santo!!! por fin he instalado el kubuntu
[02:49] <alejandeus> damn faulty hard drives
[02:50] <Kr4t05> I'm going to stab the man who wrote the installer for the nvidia beta drivers.
[02:50] <Kr4t05> Why couldn't they make a dash-compliant installer?
[02:50] <alejandeus> the installer is hell
[02:51] <alejandeus> the only way I found to install kubuntu was to install win98 and then overwrite it with kubuntu
[02:51] <Kr4t05> ...
[02:51] <alejandeus> this was hell
[02:51] <alejandeus> just wanted to say this
[02:52] <rOOb> 6346any idea why df says i have 0 room leaft on my partion but theres room on it..... here is the entry /dev/sda7             22708092  21554772         0
[02:53] <Bulwinkle> does anyone know where the bugzilla for kubuntu/ubuntu is?
[02:53] <jerrold> anyone familiar with svn?
[02:53] <rOOb> so threres 1,153,320 free on it...thats almost a gig
[02:53] <rOOb> or more then a gig
[02:53] <rOOb> if im not mistaken
[02:53] <Bulwinkle> r00b: that is a meg
[02:54] <Bulwinkle> oh.... nevermind
[02:54] <Bulwinkle> 1153320 x 1024
[02:54] <rOOb> 22708092 = my 21.66 gig partion
[02:55] <melecio_> how do i make Windows XP the default OS on GRUB?
[02:55] <rOOb> and well im dling a album...and it ran outta room......if i could only use part of that gig...which i dont see why theresa  whole gig i cant use
[02:55] <rOOb> i could understand settings away room...but a gig
[02:59] <alejandeus> hello.. one question here... kubuntu is a DEBIAN GNU(Linux nopes?
[02:59] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: i gave up
[02:59] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: the command didn't work?
[02:59] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: well I'll give it a shot tomrrow, i give up before i go nuts
[03:00] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: I know there's an easier way to use sudo for those complex commands, I just forgot
[03:00] <Admiral_Chicago> no that's not the problem the problem was the options
[03:01] <Jucato> ah
[03:01] <magnusda> melecio_ : make a backup of /boot/grub/menu.lst , then modify it so that the default= line points to the index of the windows boot option (0-indexed)
[03:01] <Permafr0st> by bye
[03:04] <BetaCookies> Hey
[03:04] <BetaCookies> I installed fglrx from the repos *and* compiled the kernel modules, so can anyone help me remove one of them? I don't know which to remove, but I don't know how to fix this, either.
[03:05] <dylan_> grr
[03:05] <dylan_> can anyone see what im typing?
[03:06] <magnusda> yes
[03:07] <will> once ive installed 6.06 can I upgrade to 6.10 via apt?
[03:07] <Jucato> yes, but with a little effort. it might be better to install 6.10 directly if you have the installer
[03:08] <davey486> can someone help me setup a wifi card/
[03:09] <davey486> I have itinstalled i just need a little help
[03:10] <will> what program do you guys use to access your ipod?
[03:10] <will> i dont see gtkpod anywhere
[03:11] <Jucato> I think Amarok has support for iPod
[03:11] <will> yeah but I mean like for writing to it etc
[03:12] <melecio_> magnusda: hmm sorry my "noobiness" but don't know how to "modify it so that the default= line points to the index of the windows boot option (0-indexed)"
[03:13] <Jucato> will: afaik, it does that already
[03:15] <will> I dont believe amarok will do that
[03:15] <Malician> heya
[03:15] <Malician> i just installed the nvidia driver on Edgy Eft
[03:15] <Malician> and things are much faster then before
[03:15] <Malician> but dragging windows around / etc is still slow
[03:16] <magnusda> melecio_ : open the menu.lst in a text editor with sudo (after you take the backup :) ) and change the line that reads 'default=0' to default=WhateverNumberYourWindowsBootOptionInGrubIs'
[03:16] <Malician> which it was not in my previous linux distro
[03:16] <Malician> and i'm wondering if I messed up somewhere or didn't enable something
[03:16] <magnusda> melecio_ : you have to count which number your windows option is (it's listed a bit further down)
[03:16] <rhodri> hi, i'm having a problem in edgy (i had it in dapper to) where ping never works (unless i ping myself), i fully except this could be my setup, but has anyone else had this problem?  any tips for how i could go about debugging it?  thanks
[03:16] <magnusda> melecio_ : further down in the text file that is :)
[03:17] <will> whats the name of the p2p client for kubuntu?
[03:18] <will> frostwire? gnutella?
[03:18] <melecio_> magnusda: ok thanks... i'll give it a try
[03:19] <magnusda> melecio_ : no problem, just make sure you take a backup :)
[03:19] <rhodri> will: frostwire is a gnutella client, same as limewire, u can run either on kubuntu.
[03:19] <magnusda> rhodri : sound slike someone's blocking a port somewhere
[03:19] <magnusda> rhodri : either on your system or somewhere in the network
[03:20] <rhodri> magnusda: so it's nothing to do with kubuntu?  that's what i wanted to check, i assume it's my router, but it's crap and all in korean so i don't have many options to fiddle with it!  heh.  cheers
[03:20] <will> does kubuntu have gkrellm
[03:21] <rhodri> will: i don't know, check adept, or google.
[03:22] <rhodri> will: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=gkrellm&searchon=names&subword=1&version=edgy&release=all
[03:22] <Malician> does anybody know how I can check whether i'm using the 3d drivers?
[03:22] <rhodri> Malician: which drivers?
[03:22] <Malician> nvidia
[03:22] <Malician> when i installed them and rebooted windows seemed to move around much faster
[03:22] <Malician> but it's still horrendously slow
[03:22] <magnusda> rhodri : if you can ping yourself then I'd guess it would be your router (or if you're on a larger network it may be somewhere there)
[03:22] <Malician> as if i was using software rendering
[03:22] <Malician> nevertheless, nvidia is listed as teh driver in xorg
[03:23] <Malician> for some reason glxgears isn't giving me a FPS output when i run it
[03:23] <Malician> it just runs continually without saying anything
[03:23] <rhodri> malician: run glxinfo, see what that says
[03:23] <Malician> direct rendering: Yes
[03:23] <BetaCookies> I installed fglrx from the repos *and* compiled the kernel modules, so can anyone help me remove one of them? I don't know which to remove, but I don't know how to fix this, either.
[03:24] <rhodri> magnusda: must be the crappy router, it's given me so many headaches, i hate it.  thanks for the help!
[03:24] <magnusda> rhodri : no problem :) You might be able to test it if you have more than one setup behind the router
[03:24] <rhodri> Malician: does it say nvidia in there?  or mesa.org?
[03:24] <Malician> hrm, figured out how to get glxgears working and it's giving me 7000 fps
[03:24] <Malician> nvidia
[03:25] <Malician> i wonder why everything is so horribly slow
[03:25] <rhodri> Malician: sounds fine with everything i know then, you'll hafta find someone who knows more sorry.  actually...
[03:26] <rhodri> Malician: don't know if it's any help, but when use xgl, and the kwin window manager it gets pretty slow, are u running an xgl xserver?
[03:26] <Malician> i'm not using xgl
[03:27] <rhodri> i don't know what it could be then sorry. :-/
[03:32] <will> would you guys recommend the upgrade from 6.06 to 6.10? is it worth the trouble?
[03:33] <magnusda> will : not if everything you need is on 6.06 :)
[03:33] <Jucato> only if you absolutely need somethings that are on 6.10 only
[03:33] <robotgeek> will: i dont think so. there is not much difference, if you ask me :)
[03:34] <will> doesnt 6.10 come with firefox 2.0?
[03:34] <Jucato> yep
[03:34] <will> because firefox 1.57 is the onyl available for 6.06
[03:34] <dylan_> i think the package manager in ubuntu is less confusing than the one in kubuntu
[03:35] <Jucato> dylan_: you can always install Synaptic on Kubuntu
[03:35] <dylan_> isn't it for gnome though?
[03:36] <Jucato> it can run on KDE too
[03:38] <magnusda> will : you can download firefox 2.0 for 6.06 as well, but it may not be in the repositories.
[03:38] <will> i hate running it that way, all the plugins get unlinked and hairy
[03:40] <litropy> quick question: kernel 2.6.19 stable is out. Any way I can just install the patch and keep my current configs?
[03:41] <Jucato> !kernel
[03:41] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[03:41] <jeisma> i get this message when i open adept
[03:41] <jeisma> "You will not be able to change your system settings in any way (install, remove or upgrade software), because another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude). Please close the other application before using this one."
[03:41] <jeisma> how do i fix this?
[03:42] <jeisma> anybody know?
[03:43] <ariel> jeisma: in console "ps aux | grep adept"
[03:43] <ariel> "ps aux | grep apt-get"
[03:43] <jeisma> now what?
[03:43] <ariel> see if there are running processes
[03:43] <ariel> of adept or apt-get
[03:43] <ariel> then kill them
[03:43] <Jucato> !adept crash fix | jeisma
[03:43] <ubotu> jeisma: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[03:45] <litropy> thanks for that, Jucato.
[03:45] <Jucato> np :)
[03:45] <jeisma> thanks jucato
[03:46] <jeisma> when i download programs off the internet, how do i use them?
[03:46] <Erich-K> Hello, I have a Hp vs17e LCD monitor and there are no drivers for it. Where can I get some?
[03:47] <jeisma> i just downloaded rambooster20.exe
[03:47] <jeisma> what do i open it with? it's asking
[03:48] <Erich-K> wine
[03:48] <jeisma> wine?
[03:48] <Jucato> !wine | jeisma
[03:48] <ubotu> jeisma: wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[03:48] <Jucato> jeisma: basically you can't just run Windows programs on Linux
[03:50] <scooter> hi
[03:52] <yamal> Erich-K: standard lcd monitors don't need any special drivers
[03:52] <Erich-K> Ah
[03:52] <Erich-K> So just select plug and play?
[03:52] <yamal> only exception being those that dont have buttons for the osd functions
[03:53] <jeisma> Jucato: but with wine i can?
[03:54] <Jucato> jeisma: depends. not all Windows programs will run
[03:54] <roxy> hi
[03:55] <Malician> .. my desktop is actually faster with the nv driver then with nvidia
[03:55] <Malician> with the nv driver, i still get visual tearing when i drag around windows, but it's not slowed
[03:55] <Malician> with the nvidia driver moving around windows is slow
[03:55] <Malician> there's something highly wrong and I don't know what x_X
[03:57] <BetaCookies> [all-chans]  I will be right back, I am going to restart X
[03:59] <bryan_> has anyone installed kubuntu on 64-bit hardware? does it work just as well as the 32-bit version?
[04:00] <bryan_> what's a good kde program to read .ps files?
[04:01] <Jucato> Postscript? KGhostView
[04:03] <bryan_> thanks, i was reading the ubuntu unleashed book and they mentioned gv for gnome, but i wasn't sure what the kde equivalent was.
[04:03] <jeisma> what's the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu?
[04:03] <jeisma> ubuntu easier to use?
[04:03] <Jucato> GNOME and KDE
[04:03] <jeisma> for a newb?
[04:03] <Jucato> both are easy to use. you just need to get used to new ways of doing things
[04:03] <scooter> how do i enable voice on konversation
[04:03] <jeisma> well what's the difference?
[04:03] <campbch> hummm?
[04:04] <bryan_> i'm a newb and kde is WAY easier for me
[04:04] <jeisma> i'm still trying to figure things out
[04:04] <Jucato> Ubuntu uses the GNOME desktop, Kubuntu uses KDE
[04:04] <Jucato> nvm, gone :P
[04:04] <campbch> i started with kde and got attached. now i just use it.
[04:04] <Jucato> ditto
[04:05] <ichthyoboy> same here..
[04:05] <bryan_> with kde everything just feels right and i don't struggle to figure out how to do things
[04:05] <BetaCookies> [all]  Be right back again
[04:05] <bryan_> plus things like the system settings looks and feels just like a mac :)
[04:06] <bryan_> sorry, i have to ask this again...has anyone installed kubuntu on 64-bit hardware? does it work just as well as the 32-bit version?
[04:06] <TehKewl1> I can't figure out how to start the JACK server and I wouldn't know where to begin
[04:07] <TehKewl1> (I installed it of course)
[04:08] <j_> is there anything like google desktop search for kubuntu?
[04:08] <magnusda> bryan_ : I've installed it on an AMD64, and it installed just fine. I'm not sure if it runs as smoothly as it does on my Thinkpad, but that might just as well be because the desktop has a rather odd compilation of hardware, where as it runs flawless on my laptop
[04:09] <bryan_> magnusda: i plan on buying a new cheap computer to run kubuntu and i just don't know if i should go AMD64 or just plain 32-bit
[04:10] <magnusda> bryan_ : ah. If you haven't bought it yet, browse a bit on ubuntuforums and such and see if you can find any reviews :)
[04:11] <TehKewl1> so can someone help me get the jack server running?
[04:11] <bryan_> magnuda: good advise.  i don't want to spend US$500+ and find out i can't run half the packages
[04:12] <magnusda> bryan_ : almost all packages will run, at least the ones I tried to install. Just some of them will run as 32-bit applications
[04:12] <jerrold> if i want to use svn to install applications..do i use apt-get install subversion?
[04:12] <scooter> how do i enable voice in konversation
[04:12] <bryan_> magnusda: is it true that 100% of all 32-bit apps run no 64-bit hardware?
[04:13] <bryan_> magnusda: is it true that 100% of all 32-bit apps run ON 64-bit hardware?
[04:13] <TehKewl1> err... what do you mean by voice?
[04:13] <basstich> Hello - I wonder if someone could help me find the bottom taskbar on kubuntu... my wife graciously lost it for me!
[04:13] <TehKewl1> like, text to speech or.... +v voice
[04:14] <TehKewl1> is there a little arrow on the right hand side basstich?
[04:14] <scorp007> hi, is it possible to use the package manager to get an older version of a package? I need to downgrade
[04:14] <basstich> TehKewl1 - nothing is on the bottom now!
[04:14] <basstich> blank... nada
[04:14] <scooter> text to speech
[04:14] <Jucato> !kttsd
[04:14] <ubotu> kttsd: a Text-to-Speech system for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1925 kB, installed size 3940 kB
[04:15] <scooter> i cant install edgy on my system it wont let me do it
[04:15] <basstich> Any ideas, TehKewl1?
[04:15] <TehKewl1> try the desktop (right click)
[04:15] <basstich> ok...
[04:16] <TehKewl1> and then go configure desktop
[04:16] <basstich> ok
[04:16] <scorp007> any ideas?
[04:16] <campbch> is there a quick way to check sound? if it's not working and the volume's up and mute's off, how do you do a quick software reset to make sure nothing's hanging?
[04:16] <basstich> pm, TehKewl1?
[04:16] <TehKewl1> nah it's not there
[04:16] <TehKewl1> ok
[04:17] <Erich-K> Is there a way to have the cleartype effect (I guess it's just AA) for fonts in linux?
[04:19] <j_> aren't the fonts smoothed already?
[04:19] <Shaezsche> i just installed on reiserFS, was that a bad idea??
[04:20] <crimsun> Erich-K: it's enabled by default
[04:20] <magnusda> bryan_ : I don't know about all, but I don't see why they would not, unless they're writing straight to registery or something. Most of the time you just won't get any benefit of having a 64-bit cpu
[04:20] <Erich-K> They look a little umm
[04:20] <Erich-K> rough?
[04:21] <BluesKaj> I have one and I installed x86 edgy on it
[04:22] <j_> Erich-K, System settings -> Appearance -> Fonts
[04:22] <j_> the Anti-aliasing for fonts bit
[04:22] <j_> theres a configure button
[04:23] <jerrold> anyone familiar with svn?? i dont have it installed..but id really like to figure out how...cant find anything on google i can use..
[04:23] <j_> you should be able to tune it to your satisfaction
[04:23] <Cuddles_Laptop> evening all. anyone good with wireless networking around?
[04:24] <Cuddles_Laptop> running edgy on a dell latitude, wlan0 won't connect automatically on boot [wlan0 is a pcmcia card using the r818x driver] . i have to run the kwireless assistant, and then ''sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart'' to get it to work. any suggestions on getting this to work on boot, like it should?
[04:25] <basstich> TehKewl1 is looking - but can anyone tell me if they have lost the menubar on the bottom?
[04:25] <TehKewl1> type Alt+F4 and then type kicker
[04:25] <TehKewl1> and then press enter
[04:25] <Jucato> Alt+F2
[04:25] <Erich-K> j_: Thanks for the help
[04:26] <Jucato> Alt+F4 = close
[04:26] <j_> np
[04:26] <TehKewl1> yeah that one
[04:26] <TehKewl1> I've never been good with numbers
[04:26] <Jucato> :)
[04:26] <Cuddles_Laptop> anyone?
[04:26] <basstich> TehKewl1 - alt+F4 does nothing
[04:27] <TehKewl1> it's ALT+F2
[04:27] <TehKewl1> my bad
[04:27] <TehKewl1> :/
[04:27] <basstich> ALT+F2 does nothing, too
[04:27] <TehKewl1> :S
[04:27] <Cuddles_Laptop> basstich, try right clicking your desktop, see if you get anything
[04:28] <basstich> I can do that, Cuddles
[04:28] <Cuddles_Laptop> basstich, choose configure desktop
[04:28] <Cuddles_Laptop> check your settings for the taskbar.
[04:28] <basstich> ok, cuddles... hope this works...
[04:29] <basstich> where is that??
[04:29] <Cuddles_Laptop> should be towards the bottom of the right-click menu
[04:29] <Cuddles_Laptop> configure desktop
[04:30] <basstich> I see no taskbar selection - only background/behaviour/Mult. Desktops/Screen saver
[04:30] <basstich> I'm in Configure Kdesktop
[04:31] <Cuddles_Laptop> does this problem survive a reboot bastich?
[04:31] <basstich> yep... I wish it didn't - do you think adding a new user might do it?
[04:31] <Cuddles_Laptop> you could try
[04:31] <basstich> how do you add a user... he asks stupidly
[04:32] <Cuddles_Laptop> hrm... can't get to a konsole, can you...
[04:32] <jerrold> apt-get install svn-buildpackage if i want to install stuff using svn? :P
[04:32] <basstich> I can- what is that CTRl - something or other?
[04:32] <Cuddles_Laptop> ctrl-alt-f1, log in at the prompt, and type adduser <username>
[04:32] <basstich> brb
[04:33] <Cuddles_Laptop> oops, sudo adduser
[04:33] <basstich> how do I get to be root??!
[04:33] <basstich> Cuddles - I used madwifi - did it all for me
[04:34] <basstich> got root
[04:34] <Cuddles_Laptop> tried tha basstich. still no joy.
[04:34] <basstich> how do I make the user admin priv?
[04:35] <Cuddles_Laptop> that i have no idea.
[04:36] <LeeJunFan> !wireless | Cuddles_Laptop
[04:36] <ubotu> Cuddles_Laptop: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:37] <Cuddles_Laptop> been there leejunfan.
[04:37] <Cuddles_Laptop> did that, the forums, google, etc.
[04:37] <LeeJunFan> Cuddles_Laptop: what wireless chipset do you have?
[04:38] <basstich> Nope - didn't do it Cuddles - can anyone else suggest how to get the taskbar back?? I'm really screwed - I have a lot of stuff on this
[04:38] <Cuddles_Laptop> leejunfan, rtl8180
[04:38] <basstich> does anyone know how to configure the taskbar?
[04:39] <Cuddles_Laptop> sorry basstich. the only other thing i can think of would be to reinstall kde
[04:39] <BluesKaj> system settings , basstich,
[04:40] <basstich> go on, BluesKaj - Alt+F2 - systemsettings... where??
[04:40] <LeeJunFan> basstich: alt+f2 kicker
[04:40] <BetaCookies> How do I fix this error:  Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[04:40] <BluesKaj> SORRY basstich, thought you were in desktop
[04:40] <basstich> LeeJunFan - that does nothing
[04:41] <basstich> I am in desktop
[04:41] <LeeJunFan> on the livecd?
[04:41] <basstich> no
[04:41] <basstich> should I be there?
[04:41] <LeeJunFan> basstich: you are in KDE?
[04:41] <basstich> yes... KDE
[04:42] <fyrmedic> How do I create new users and groups in console?
[04:42] <Zoohouse> Hello everyone
[04:42] <LeeJunFan> basstich: when you hit alt+f2 did it bring up the request to run a command?
[04:42] <basstich> yes Lee
[04:42] <Zoohouse> How can I see my defult spellchecker?
[04:42] <LeeJunFan> fyrmedic: man useradd
[04:42] <fyrmedic> LeejunFan, thanks
[04:43] <LeeJunFan> Zoohouse: it depends on the application, some use ispell some use aspell some either/both.
[04:43] <LeeJunFan> basstich: and you have no taskbar at all?
[04:43] <basstich> LeeJunFan - Alt+F2 brings up a window
[04:43] <benjaminkip> where can i get more interesting soft please???
[04:43] <basstich> no taskbar at all
[04:43] <basstich> nadda
[04:43] <LeeJunFan> !adept | benjaminkip
[04:43] <ubotu> benjaminkip: adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[04:44] <LeeJunFan> !repos | benjaminkip
[04:44] <ubotu> benjaminkip: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:44] <Zoohouse> LeeJunFan: I ask because it because spell check in kopete isn't working...
[04:44] <BetaCookies> [all-msg]  Restarting X server...
[04:44] <LeeJunFan> basstich: what if you open a konsole with alt+f2, and try running kicker from there, might give something useful.
[04:45] <Cuddles_Laptop> all i need is the wireless to automatically request an ip address via dhcp on boot, but it fails every time.
[04:45] <basstich> when I enter kicker - nothing happens
[04:45] <basstich> it clears the screen...
[04:45] <magnusda> basstich : or try running kicker from a console to see if you get any error messages. From a console within KDE I mean
[04:45] <BluesKaj> nodding off.. sacktime here ..nite all
[04:46] <LeeJunFan> basstich: otherwise rm -f ~/.kde/share/apps/kicker && rm -f ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc && kicker
[04:46] <basstich> ctrl+alt+F1 - then sudo kicker?
[04:46] <LeeJunFan> basstich: no, don't sudo kde apps.
[04:46] <LeeJunFan> !kdesu
[04:46] <ubotu> In KDE, use kdesu to run graphical applications with root priveleges when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[04:47] <basstich> jsut enter kicker??
[04:47] <basstich> kicker: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkdeinit_kicker.so:undefined symbo:dleButton
[04:48] <basstich> That's what I get... :(
[04:48] <LeeJunFan> basstich: did you recently do upgrades to KDE?
[04:48] <basstich> no
[04:49] <basstich> My wife uses this on her laptop - read email - then pressed ctrl and another button - she can't remember what
[04:49] <basstich> now the taskbar is gone!
[04:49] <basstich> should I reboot in safe mode, and re-install kde??
[04:50] <basstich> LeeJunFan??
[04:50] <Cuddles_Laptop> it's worth a shot basstich.
[04:50] <LeeJunFan> basstich: you might try creating a new user, logging in as that user, and see if the taskbar works there. IF so then it's just something for that one user. Although I'd have to say it doesn't look like the case - it's worth a try.
[04:50] <basstich> did that... and no
[04:50] <basstich> apt-get install kde??
[04:50] <LeeJunFan> basstich: sudo apt-get install -f
[04:51] <LeeJunFan> might fix any possible broken deps.
[04:51] <basstich> nope
[04:51] <basstich> that didn't do it
[04:51] <LeeJunFan> It sounds like it's got a library mismatch, like either kicker was updated and the library wasn't, or the library was and kicker wasn't.
[04:51] <LeeJunFan> basstich: just a sec.
[04:51] <basstich> k
[04:52] <basstich> it's autoremoving a lot of stuff!
[04:52] <LeeJunFan> basstich: the install -f is?
[04:52] <basstich> yes!
[04:53] <basstich> how can I re-install KDE?
[04:53] <basstich> it gives me an error with kicker
[04:53] <LeeJunFan> basstich: wait for it to finish, then sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:53] <basstich> symbol lookup error - ok
[04:54] <basstich> says it's done...
[04:54] <basstich> rebooting now...
[04:54] <LeeJunFan> Cuddles_Laptop: I went looking for info on your wifi, sry. I've not worked with that chipset and it doesn't look too promising. Can you sudo modprobe rtl8180_24x
[04:55] <Cuddles_Laptop> leejunfan, instead of the r818x driver?
[04:55] <basstich> still no taskbar
[04:56] <LeeJunFan> basstich: and you did the sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[04:56] <basstich> how can I get adept to run without KDE start ] \
[04:56] <basstich> yes, Leejun I did
[04:56] <LeeJunFan> basstich: try sudo apt-get install --reinstall kicker
[04:57] <gmitchel> please help, i rebooted my computer... changed nothing and now my desktop won't fit entirely on the screen... i have to move the mouse to see other parts of the screen
[04:57] <Cuddles_Laptop> leejunfan, no such driver
[04:57] <basstich> what is kicker, anyway?
[04:57] <LeeJunFan> basstich: that's the taskbar
[04:57] <basstich> ahhhhhh
[04:57] <basstich> doing something...
[04:58] <LeeJunFan> gmitchel: pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[04:58] <basstich> got it!!!!!!!!!
[04:58] <basstich> YAHOO!!
[04:58] <basstich> it's there... it's there!!!!
[04:58] <basstich> yay, even!
[04:58] <LeeJunFan> :)
[04:59] <basstich> man, you are good!
[04:59] <basstich> Thank you very much!!!!!!!!
[04:59] <Cuddles_Laptop> leejunfan, after doing the little dance with kwireless and resetting networking, the wireless works flawlessly. it's just this nonsense at startup.
[05:00] <LeeJunFan> Cuddles_Laptop: okay, so the driver itself works. What happens at startup?
[05:00] <magnusda> never underestimate a little dancing to get hardware to work :)
[05:01] <LeeJunFan> A little dancing and some animal sacrifice.
[05:01] <Cuddles_Laptop> leejunfan, nothing at all. driver is loaded, but dhcp client can't get an ip. i have to run kwireless assistant just to get it to try accessing the wireless hub.
[05:01] <basstich> Cuddles -
[05:02] <basstich> www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/MadWifi
[05:02] <LeeJunFan> Cuddles_Laptop: chances are settings in /etc/network/interfaces are either wrong or missing for wireless.
[05:02] <Cuddles_Laptop> and then i have to do /etc/init.d/networking restart to get an ip
[05:02] <Cuddles_Laptop> basstich, tried that, no joy.
[05:02] <LeeJunFan> madwifi only supports atheros chipsets, his is realtek
[05:02] <basstich> yes... that's right
[05:03] <LeeJunFan> Cuddles_Laptop: pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces file and gimme the link
[05:04] <magnusda> has anyone tried rebuilding the kernel with the HDAPS_PROTECT patch?
[05:04] <basstich> Cuddles - this I know from my myth tv install.. hold on.. I wrote it down
[05:04] <LeeJunFan> not me, magnusda what's that do?
[05:04] <faucon> hi, i have kubuntu 6.01 drapper, and i wanna know if i can upgrade to 6.10 without downloading the hole CD/DVD   i mean, just by changing url into apt-get .. is it possible
[05:04] <LeeJunFan> !upgrade | faucon
[05:04] <ubotu> faucon: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[05:05] <Cuddles_Laptop> leejunfan, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34905/
[05:05] <magnusda> LeeJunFan : it activates queue-freeze in the kernel, which allows the HDAPS (hard drive active protection system, or something similar) in some Thinkpads to work in linux :)
[05:05] <jerrold> i need help installing this beryl plugin "3d world"  i found the svn repository..but apparently its available as a normal plugin..anyone have the time to point me in the right direction please?
[05:05] <basstich> type / etc/init.d network stop
[05:05] <LeeJunFan> magnusda: ah okay.
[05:05] <faucon> thanks leejunfan
[05:05] <magnusda> jerrold : out of curiosity. What does the plugin do?
[05:05] <Cuddles_Laptop> basstich, if i do that, i go offline.
[05:06] <LeeJunFan> makes your windows stand off when you zoom the cube out.
[05:06] <basstich> then (when you are offline)
[05:06] <magnusda> LeeJunFan : I managed to compile it last night (although wrecking my setup for a while), but the kernel ran fine. Only problem was there was no active protection system even with the patch applied :)
[05:06] <basstich> etc/update-rc.d network defaults
[05:06] <LeeJunFan> Cuddles_Laptop: I see your essid is ANY, is there any chance it could be connecting to someone elses network in your local vicinity?
[05:06] <basstich> or sudo update-rc.d network defaults
[05:07] <jerrold> magnusa: its for that 3d desktop..i beleve you can have a transparent cube..and any selected windows will "pop" out when you rotate it..really cool eye candy
[05:07] <basstich> That's what I did to get it to work
[05:07] <basstich> did you get that - sorry Leejunfan.
[05:07] <Cuddles_Laptop> leejunfan, i live on a far in the middle of bfe. only wireles sconnection for 10 plus miles is mine.
[05:07] <gmitchel> I pasted my xorg.conf but i don't think anything has changed since i started having this problem with the desktop going off the screen
[05:07] <magnusda> jerrold : fancy... have Beryl, but no 3Dworld plugin... will have to look at it :)
[05:07] <jerrold> magnusda: http://linux.wordpress.com/2006/11/23/video-beryl-3d-window-layer-plugin/
[05:07] <LeeJunFan> Cuddles_Laptop: and you use no WEP?
[05:07] <Cuddles_Laptop> nope.
[05:07] <magnusda> jerrold : thanks :)
[05:07] <Cuddles_Laptop> no wpa either.
[05:08] <jerrold> im pretty new to linux/beryle/kubuntu..but i really wanna get this plugin working :P
[05:08] <basstich> etc/init.d/network stop .......... then ...... etc/init.d/network restart .........then.......... etc/update-rc.d network defaults
[05:08] <LeeJunFan> jerrold: I compiled my own beryl from svn, so I don't know about the repos.
[05:08] <basstich> you do all this after you have your wireless up and running, cuddles...
[05:08] <jerrold> leejun: i think i have an svn repo for it..i just have no idea how to use it
[05:08] <LeeJunFan> jerrold: perhaps someone in #beryl would have the answer?
[05:08] <basstich> This I know - I had a pain with my rtl adapter, too
[05:08] <Cuddles_Laptop> basstich, i've done that a few dozen times. it doesn't work
[05:08] <basstich> really?
[05:08] <Cuddles_Laptop> really.
[05:08] <LeeJunFan> jerrold: you have to add that repository to /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:08] <jerrold> i apt-get installed svn-buildpackage..i dont know where to go from here
[05:08] <basstich> that sucks
[05:09] <basstich> it worked for me :(
[05:09] <jerrold> leejunfan..really? and just do a normal apt-get?
[05:09] <magnusda> Cuddles_Laptop : not saying it's your solutoin. But my wlan setup is only reliable if I use Knetworkmanager
[05:09] <Cuddles_Laptop> i just waqnt it to connect on bootup.
[05:09] <LeeJunFan> jerrold: yeah, once you add that, then apt-get update, then apt-get install xgl beryl emerald, I think. If you need xgl that is, if you use aiglx then no xgl.
[05:10] <Cuddles_Laptop> tried thattoo magnusda. still have to reset it when i log in.
[05:10] <LeeJunFan> Cuddles_Laptop: not sure why, I know my madwif doesn't join my network on first try for some reason either.
[05:10] <magnusda> Cuddles_Laptop : what about hacking it into a startup script? Not a solution, but a nice workaround
[05:10] <jerrold> leejunfan: the svn repo is svn://svn.beryl-project.org/beryl/branches/beryl-3d-plugin ...apt-get will work w/ that?
[05:10] <LeeJunFan> Cuddles_Laptop: I have to issue an iwconfig ath1 essid [essid]  again.
[05:11] <Cuddles_Laptop> leejunfan, it always takes at least one retry, sometimes up to 4.
[05:11] <magnusda> Cuddles_Laptop : I mean creating a .sh that will do your commands automatically at bootup
[05:11] <gmitchel> no one knows what my desktop is larger than my screen size?
[05:11] <LeeJunFan> jerrold: that's to download the source and build it yourself. Not a repository for ubuntu. There are svn repos out there for ubuntu though.
[05:11] <Cuddles_Laptop> magnusda, any ideas what to put into it?
[05:12] <LeeJunFan> jerrold: you don't need current svn though, 0.1.2 beryl has the transparent cube and 3dworld.
[05:12] <shadowhywind> hay all i was wondering if anyone knew why explorer.exe keeps running on l inux?
[05:12] <LeeJunFan> jerrold: and building it yourself is a chore if you aren't versed in compiling.
[05:12] <magnusda> Cuddles_Laptop ~/.kde/Autostart/ create a .start in there
[05:12] <basstich> Thanks again, LeejunFan - I'm off to bed - and hope you find your answer, Cuddles
[05:12] <LeeJunFan> shadowhywind: what are you on?
[05:12] <Cuddles_Laptop> thanks bass
[05:12] <shadowhywind> edgy
[05:13] <LeeJunFan> shadowhywind: I mean what drugs? :p
[05:13] <magnusda> Cuddles_Laptop ops... I mean, create a bash script in there
[05:13] <magnusda> Cuddles_Laptop and make sure to +x it  :)
[05:13] <LeeJunFan> shadowhywind: how are you running explorer?
[05:13] <magnusda> Cuddles_Laptop  then it will run on KDE startup
[05:13] <shadowhywind> lol, i wish i was on something, it would make more sense that way
[05:13] <Cuddles_Laptop> magnusda, i could always put the commands into /etc/rc.local for that matter, but i don't know what commands will work.
[05:13] <shadowhywind> in my KDE system guard, its showing that c:\windows\system32\explorer.exe is running
[05:13] <jerrold> leejun: i just added  deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb edgy beryl-svn..and did an apt-install beryl-plugins..i suppose i have to restart beryl
[05:14] <magnusda> Cuddles_Laptop just reread your question and realised I was answering the wrong one :)
[05:14] <shadowhywind> taking 2,688,088 of VmSize hehe
[05:14] <magnusda> Cuddles_Laptop what do you havce to do for your wlan card to work?
[05:14] <pacman> anyone good with mp3 players and Linux?
[05:15] <magnusda> Cuddles_Laptop unless it involves a gui thing, you could juts throw whatever you type each startup in there. But that would be obvious, so I'm guessing there's more to it :)
[05:15] <Cuddles_Laptop> magnusda, running edgy on a dell latitude, wlan0 won't connect automatically on boot [wlan0 is a pcmcia card using the r818x driver] . i have to run the kwireless assistant, and then ''sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart'' to get it to work.
[05:15] <unix_infidel> pacman: its simply a matter of whether they are supported.
[05:15] <unix_infidel> not whether anyone is good at them.
[05:15] <shadowhywind> this is so werid, why would explorer.exe open up becuase wine starts?
[05:15] <pacman> mine is supported, or at least everything was peachy a couple days ago
[05:16] <unix_infidel> shadowhywind: because some apps are dependent on the program.
[05:16] <Cuddles_Laptop> shadowhywind, because explorer is the windows equivalent of kde's kicker
[05:16] <LeeJunFan> shadowhywind: all good malware starts up when the system does :p
[05:16] <unix_infidel> Cuddles_Laptop: that's not true at all.
[05:16] <shadowhywind> thats just werid!
[05:16] <magnusda> Cuddles_Laptop , do you have to do anything in kwireless assistant?
[05:16] <unix_infidel> shadowhywind: like say when you open up ms word.
[05:16] <rance> hey all, Im on the web site but I cant find a list of available packages for kubuntu/ubuntu, is there a web page where I can do a package search of the various repositories?
[05:16] <Cuddles_Laptop> unix_infidel, more or less. stupid question = stupid answer
[05:16] <LeeJunFan> !adept | rance
[05:17] <ubotu> rance: adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[05:17] <BetaCookies> sleep(28800); <-- i'm sleeping [idle]  for 8 hours...
[05:17] <LeeJunFan> !repos | rance
[05:17] <ubotu> rance: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:17] <unix_infidel> shadowhywind: and then say you do control+open, the program uses explorer.exe
[05:17] <unix_infidel> Cuddles_Laptop: fair enough :)
[05:17] <Cuddles_Laptop> magnusda, yes, click on my hub's name. then it says failed, i exit it, and in konsole do the networking restart
[05:17] <shadowhywind> still werid, but thanks for the info
[05:17] <shadowhywind> i wont stress over why its open now hehe
[05:17] <rance> I know adept is the package manager, but I havent installed kubuntu yet, im downloading 6.10 now
[05:18] <rance> thanks for the package reference
[05:18] <unix_infidel> shadowhywind: remember you're trying to natively execute an environment.
[05:18] <LeeJunFan> rance: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[05:18] <Dr_willis> apt: in konqueror is handy
[05:18] <unix_infidel> Dr_willis: ?
[05:19] <Dr_willis> for searching/browsing the packages. :)
[05:19] <magnusda> Cuddles_Laptop , is it possible to have the kwireless assistant automatically try to connect to your hub? Either by command line or clicking? Again, guessing you'd have tried if that was an option :)
[05:19] <unix_infidel> Dr_willis: hah, i didnt even know you could do that.
[05:19] <unix_infidel> that is handy :)
[05:19] <Dr_willis> the power of Kioslaves!
[05:19] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:19] <Cuddles_Laptop> magnusda, tried, and no.
[05:20] <unix_infidel> Dr_willis: konq is one of the few KDE apps i've ever used and liked.
[05:20] <Cuddles_Laptop> i'm assuming i need a command line util that does the same as kwireless assistant.
[05:20] <unix_infidel> if only the kioslaves could remember things like file associations and why not to do stupid stuff.
[05:21] <Cuddles_Laptop> is there such an animal?
[05:22] <unix_infidel> Cuddles_Laptop: hmm, what are you trying to do again?
[05:22] <Cuddles_Laptop> running edgy on a dell latitude, wlan0 won't connect automatically on boot [wlan0 is a pcmcia card using the r818x driver] . i have to run the kwireless assistant, and then ''sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart'' to get it to work.
[05:22] <unix_infidel> Cuddles_Laptop: when you startup, does ifconfig show you have an ip address?
[05:22] <magnusda> Cuddles_Laptop , if you had that then the automation at bootup would be a decent workaround :)
[05:23] <Cuddles_Laptop> no unix_infidel.
[05:23] <Cuddles_Laptop> magnusda, exactly.
[05:23] <unix_infidel> Cuddles_Laptop: but you get an if at boot right?
[05:23] <unix_infidel> if=interface.
[05:23] <Cuddles_Laptop> yes, wlan0 shows up.
[05:23] <magnusda> Cuddles_Laptop , are you sure you can't get the same functionality that you now get from Wireless assistant as from network-manager, because if I'm not mistaken, that's a command line utility?
[05:24] <unix_infidel> Cuddles_Laptop: then all you need to do is define the essid with iwconfig and execute dhclient wlan0
[05:24] <unix_infidel> i know you get caught up in using gui tools but why do that when you can write a script that automatically connects to a WAP based on wireless strength
[05:24] <Cuddles_Laptop> unix_infidel, what if i'm roaming, and don't know the essid?
[05:25] <unix_infidel> iwlist [interface name]  scan
[05:25] <Cuddles_Laptop> unix_infidel, could you write such a script? i'm tired, have a migraine, and my hand is cramping badly.
[05:25] <unix_infidel> Cuddles_Laptop: that's the beauty of writing your own automated scripts, they just automatically connect to 1) either the AP you define or 2) the closest AP
[05:26] <unix_infidel> Cuddles_Laptop: I'm on windows :P
[05:26] <unix_infidel> This is all from memory :)
[05:26] <unix_infidel> Cuddles_Laptop: google for one, i'm pretty sure you're not the first one who's had such a need.
[05:26] <Cuddles_Laptop> 35 years with 2 normal hands, then one little accident, and i type like this.
[05:27] <unix_infidel> either that or look at wpa_supplicant, it automanages your wireless connections w/ or w/o encryption
[05:27] <Cuddles_Laptop> wpa_supplicant?
[05:27] <unix_infidel> !wpa_supplicant
[05:27] <ubotu> wpasupplicant: Client support for WPA and WPA2 (IEEE 802.11i). In component main, is important. Version 0.5.4-5 (edgy), package size 227 kB, installed size 588 kB
[05:27] <Cuddles_Laptop> hmmm.
[05:28] <unix_infidel> Remember, you DONT have to use encryption to use that tool.
[05:28] <unix_infidel> its VERY good at doing what it does.
[05:28] <solid_liq> anyone know how I can get a 32 bit version of libXcursor on amd64 arch?
[05:28] <unix_infidel> But remember, if you arent using encryption, please use EAP and some protocol limiting factors.
[05:29] <Cuddles_Laptop> i need to read up on it.
[05:41] <edu> hi!
[05:44] <tubaxx> hy all
[05:44] <tubaxx> any french poeple here ?
[05:45] <crimsun> #kubuntu-fr ?
[05:46] <Parkotron> How do I reset the font size when browsing in Konqueror?
[05:47] <tubaxx> thx crimsun
[05:52] <Admiral_Chicago> any P2p cilents on Ubuntu that aren't Frostwire?
[05:52] <intelikey> !p2p
[05:52] <ubotu> Conventional P2P clients: Limewire/GTK-Gnutella/Frostwire (Gnutella Network).  -  BitTorrent: see !torrent  -  Direct connect: try valknut.  -  Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/P2PFileSharing for general information.
[05:53] <intelikey> telnet and ssh
[05:54] <Admiral_Chicago> intelikey: i can't use ssh my network is blocking it
[05:54] <intelikey> that's sad
[05:55] <Admiral_Chicago> well i can ssh out but not in
[05:56] <intelikey> i'm so tired of drills..........
[05:58] <intelikey> odd that an .edu would block inbound ssh traffic
[05:59] <Admiral_Chicago> yea i know, the server here is awful. Microsoft Server 2003 :\
[05:59] <intelikey> ;/
[05:59] <Admiral_Chicago> itss not a bug, its a feature!
[05:59] <intelikey> lol yeah
[06:00] <pacman> anyone know anything about using mp3 players with Linux
[06:01] <intelikey> i bet ya the bot does
[06:01] <intelikey> !mp3 | pacman
[06:01] <ubotu> pacman: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:01] <pacman> I don't think that's going to help me
[06:01] <intelikey> why's that ?
[06:01] <pacman> all of a sudden, I can't delete music files from my mp3 player
[06:02] <pacman> nor can I put new files
[06:02] <intelikey> mount it with the propper umask=  and i bet ya you can
[06:02] <pacman> how do I do that
[06:03] <intelikey> !ntfs | ?
[06:03] <ubotu> ?: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[06:03] <intelikey> prolly no help there
[06:04] <intelikey> sudo mount -o remount,umask=000 /media/<mountpoint_of.the_player>
[06:04] <Dr_willis> It pays to learn how to mount things manually. :)
[06:05] <intelikey> try that ^   inturpreting the <*>   and see what ya get
[06:05] <pacman> crap
[06:05] <pacman> that worked
[06:05] <Dr_willis> Linux FUNdamentals. :)
[06:05] <intelikey> ???  and that's bad ?
[06:05] <pacman> no, just startled me
[06:06] <intelikey> lol
[06:06] <Admiral_Chicago> Hawkwind: netstat is a command that shows connections
[06:06] <_goofy_> is it possible to ftp over the internet to a friends conputer
[06:06] <pacman> thank you intelikey
[06:06] <intelikey> pacman do   man mount  and scroll down to the part about  vfat specific arguments.
[06:06] <Dr_willis> _goofy_,  if he has a ftp server :)
[06:07] <robson> someone can help me?
[06:07] <intelikey> there you can learn why that worked.    and you're welcome
[06:07] <_goofy_> so you cant just use a ftp client to connect like in a lan
[06:07] <Dr_willis> _goofy_,  ftp client connectsd to a ftp server
[06:07] <robson> i'm in trouble with my radeon 9200 video card
[06:08] <robson> anyone?
[06:08] <intelikey> !ati | robson
[06:08] <ubotu> robson: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:08] <Dr_willis> clare to clarify? :)
[06:08] <Dr_willis> Care to Clarify. heh heh..
[06:08] <intelikey> kare to klarify      ;p
[06:09] <Dr_willis> Clare to Caraify!
[06:09] <robson> i installed the driver, it's workin, but, when i run the command fglrxinfo i get the message
[06:09] <robson> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[06:09] <robson> Xlib: No protocol specified
[06:09] <robson> Error: unable to open display :0
[06:09] <Dr_willis> try 'sudo fglrxinfo'
[06:09] <_goofy_> DR_willis how should i go about setting up my and his computer so we can share file over the internet
[06:09] <Dr_willis> If its 3working.. :) why worry.
[06:09] <robson> ok
[06:10] <robson> dont work :(
[06:10] <intelikey> _goofy_ ssh
[06:10] <Dr_willis> _goofy_,  have him download/install a ftp server.. or ssh server so you could use ftp or 'scp' to copy stuff over
[06:10] <robson> how can i know if 3d is working?
[06:10] <Dr_willis> robson,  install a 4d game. :)
[06:10] <Dr_willis> 3d even
[06:10] <Dr_willis> heh
[06:10] <Admiral_Chicago> Hawkwind: nevermind it's not that good
[06:10] <pacman> it's letting me delete, but not write
[06:10] <robson> hehe
[06:10] <racarr> robson: glxinfo | grep direct
[06:11] <racarr> robson: or, glxgears, if it's smooth 3D is probably working
[06:11] <seishinbyou>
[06:11] <robson> i got the same error, but the last line up to Error: unable to open display (null)
[06:11] <racarr> robson: for glxinfo | grep direct?
[06:12] <robson> yes
[06:12] <racarr> Copypaste the output to
[06:12] <racarr> !pastebin
[06:12] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:12] <intelikey> pacman interesting.   should be full rwxrwxrwx permissions mask  (777 for the geek in you)  what are you using to copy  a gui tool ?
[06:12] <robson> ok
[06:12] <pacman> uhm...just copy/paste
[06:13] <robson> one second
[06:13] <racarr> pacman: If it's multiline no need to flood the channel, and apparently it is
[06:14] <pacman> racarr- not trying to copy and paste to here :)
[06:14] <robson> i got this
[06:14] <robson> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34910/
[06:14] <Admiral_Chicago> !jp-
[06:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jp- - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:14] <Admiral_Chicago> !jp
[06:14] <joaquin__> olaaaaaaaa
[06:14] <ubotu>  #ubuntu-jp  #kubuntu-jp
[06:14] <racarr> pacman: Err, took that out of context, sorry
[06:14] <pacman> tis okay
[06:14] <joaquin__> alguien abla espaol???
[06:14] <intelikey> so... konqueror....    try a konsole command   cp <file.name> /media/<destination>    and see if you get any error messages pacman
[06:14] <Dr_willis> !es
[06:14] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[06:15] <robson> someone can help me? plz :)
[06:15] <robson> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34910/
[06:15] <racarr> robson: Why are you root?
[06:15] <intelikey> racarr same reason i am ?
[06:16] <robson> i loged as root to do this commands
[06:16] <pacman> cp: cannot create regular file `/media/sdb1/less than jake-pezcore-03-johnny quest thinks were sellouts.mp3': Read-only file system
[06:16] <Dr_willis> unmount it.. and mount it read/write with the right permissions/umask options. :)
[06:17] <intelikey> robson you should not irc as root.   it's a security hole for your box that can even cause trubble for the rest of us.
[06:17] <pacman> walk me through that...I suck at teh linux commands
[06:17] <robson> ok
[06:17] <robson> sorry abou that man
[06:17] <Dr_willis> !mount
[06:17] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted  -  Formatting partitions: see the manual page for mkfs ("man mkfs")  -  Mounting partitions in Gnome: System -> Administration -> Disks
[06:17] <robson> tanks anyway
[06:17] <Dr_willis> Hmmm not  good factoid. heh...
[06:17] <robson> bye guys
[06:17] <Dr_willis> google for 'how to mount drives'
[06:17] <magnusda> intelikey : how would it affect other irc users?
[06:17] <Dr_willis> Defacto NTFS (and works for Vfat as well) guide for your Fstab/mounting of NTFS partitions -->  http://wiki.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfs-en#how_do_i_mount_an_ntfs_volume
[06:17] <racarr> err, robson
[06:18] <racarr> you aren't IRCING as root
[06:18] <Dr_willis> thats a good site for examples.
[06:18] <racarr> ircing*
[06:18] <robson> ps: i am just as root in the terminal console
[06:18] <racarr> yes, that's fine
[06:18] <robson> is that a problem?
[06:18] <racarr> no, not for IRC
[06:18] <intelikey> pacman hmmmm   do  mount  and show me the ONE line that contains /media/sdb1/
[06:19] <robson> i am ircing in as an reular user
[06:19] <robson> regular*
[06:19] <intelikey> magnusda if your box gets rooted it can be used as an attack base for stupid people that like to try to take over irc channels....    it does happen.
[06:19] <Dr_willis> 'friends dont let friends irc as root' :)
[06:19] <magnusda> intelikey, ah, ok :)
[06:19] <robson> thank you guys
[06:19] <magnusda> hehe
[06:20] <robson> i resolved my problem
[06:20] <robson> see you
[06:20] <intelikey> robson good on ya mate
[06:20] <pacman> what do you mean, show you a line
[06:20] <winbond> !ati
[06:20] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:20] <pacman> you mean from an ls -al
[06:21] <intelikey> pacman if you type "mount "  in the konsole it lists all mounts    show me the one with  /media/sdb1/
[06:21] <pacman>  /dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[06:22] <intelikey> it's not a read only    but it's not umasked correctly. pacman   did you umount that and remount it ?
[06:22] <intelikey> or unplug and replug ?
[06:22] <Dr_willis> he pasted the line for sda1 not sdb1 :)
[06:22] <pacman> I've unplugged and plugged a bunch
[06:23] <pacman> oops
[06:23] <Dr_willis> pacman,  you UNPLUGGED it 'while' it was mounted?
[06:23] <intelikey> i didn't even notice    lol
[06:23] <pacman>  /dev/sdb1 on /media/sdb1 type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,quiet,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8,umask=000,umask=000)
[06:23] <pacman> yeah, but I've done it before, and everything was okay
[06:24] <intelikey> ok  that's ......  hmmmm dubble umask listings....  i never tried that to see if it worked or not....
[06:24] <Dr_willis> having umask= 3 different times... is..... a sign i dont think its ok... :)
[06:24] <Dr_willis> tripple umask listings
[06:24] <Dr_willis> if his gid/uid are correct. i dont think the umask are needed.
[06:24] <intelikey> and the 077 is what's being used.
[06:25] <intelikey> Dr_willis he may not be uid 1000 tho
[06:26] <intelikey> well that's a very convoluted mount string.....
[06:26] <Dr_willis> TIme for a windows answer! reboot!
[06:26] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:26] <intelikey> lol  no.
[06:26] <Dr_willis> and DONT unplug the things while they are mounted.
[06:27] <intelikey> yes that ^
[06:27] <pacman> so what should I do
[06:27] <Dr_willis> unmount the thing..
[06:27] <intelikey> sudo umount /dev/sdb1
[06:27] <Dr_willis> then mount it again manmually
[06:27] <pacman> device is busy
[06:27] <poningru> pacman: right click on the device and press eject
[06:28] <poningru> shut down anything that is using it
[06:28] <Dr_willis> and duck when it flys across the room. ;) kidding....
[06:28] <pacman> how bout safely remove?
[06:28] <pacman> I don't have eject
[06:28] <Dr_willis> thats the same thing.
[06:28] <Dr_willis> rember to use that in the future. :)
[06:29] <pacman> umount: /media/sdb1 is not in the fstab (and you are not root)
[06:30] <intelikey> pacman; sudo eject /dev/sdb1 ;sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1 -o rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,quiet,uid=1000,gid=1000,iocharset=utf8,umask=000
[06:31] <pacman> eject: unmount of `/media/sdb1' failed
[06:31] <pacman> also /media/sdb1: device is busy
[06:31] <pacman> got that twice
[06:31] <dipesh> pacman "fuser -km /mnt/sdb1"
[06:32] <dipesh> kills everything that accesses /mnt/sdb1
[06:32] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:32] <dipesh> :)
[06:32] <pacman> :)
[06:33] <magnusda> firestarter killed my connection.... and BitchX didn't tell me :(
[06:33] <intelikey> yeah     i think it that 'blasted' kio thingy that trys to be M$ windows and mount every thing you plug in.....
[06:33] <dipesh> kdesktop shouldn't access /(media|mnt)/sdb1
[06:33] <xsacha> which is faster? SAK or CAB?
[06:33] <intelikey> dipesh automounter ?
[06:33] <xsacha> to get back to X
[06:33] <pacman> I'm lost....nothign is working
[06:34] <dipesh> intelikey: afaik automounter isn't part of kdesktop nor does automounter itself listen on the mountpointers... I guess a kio-slave or kdirwatcher or something like this is used internaly
[06:34] <dipesh> (so, an own process)
[06:34] <Dr_willis> Thats what ya get for PLuging/unpluging lots of times..
[06:34] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:35] <pacman> so what, unplug, and reboot?
[06:35] <pacman> :)
[06:35] <Dr_willis> or leave it plugged in and reboot
[06:35] <pacman> okay
[06:35] <pacman> brb
[06:35] <dipesh> pacman: at least try "fuser -m /media/sdb1" (without -k switch)
[06:35] <Dr_willis> or unplug it.. stick it in your nose.. stand on your head.. sing the national anthem. and reboot.
[06:35] <dipesh> uhm... to late
[06:35] <dipesh> rebooting is soooo windows like :-/
[06:35] <intelikey> dipesh i don't know what exactly but when i let kde put MOUNTED * icons on the desktop i had that problem.
[06:36] <Dr_willis> so it just pluging/unplugging stuff  over and over and hopeing it works
 rebooting is soooo windows like :-/   and generally not that answer
[06:36] <dipesh> intelikey: hmmm... funny. I use it regulary and never had that prob
[06:37] <intelikey> dipesh have you tried to cli eject a cd with the icon on the desktop ?
[06:37] <intelikey> that's where i found the problem.
[06:38] <intelikey> as i said i don't know   but assume it's a kio thing.
[06:38] <intelikey> and may somehow affect scsi (my interface) differently.
[06:38] <dipesh> intelikey: nope, not tried. let me check it :)
[06:39] <dipesh> uhm, not possible here since I removed all autostuff... eh, I'll try it tomorrow on my fresh kubuntu-laptop...
[06:39] <pacman> *sighs*
[06:40] <pacman> well, I got in unmounted
[06:43] <pacman> I give up
[06:44] <pacman> I need to get a shower and go to bed
[06:44] <demonic_Angel> hi
[06:44] <pacman> I'll be back tomorrow
[06:44] <dipesh> good night, pacman
[06:44] <intelikey> pacman you might want to get a second openion,  but i'd do this.                     sudo echo '/dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1 vfat noauto,dmask=000,fmask=111,noexec,nosuid,user,users 0 0' | tee -a /etc/fstab
[06:44] <esaym> anyone use knetworkmanager?
[06:45] <pacman> intelikey: permission denied
[06:46] <magnusda> esaym, yes
[06:46] <intelikey> oh  sudo in the wrong place.
[06:46] <magnusda> :)
[06:46] <kai> what command can I found out what version of kubuntu im using?
[06:46] <esaym> does it work fine with wep and wpa?
[06:46] <poningru> kai: lsb_release iirc
[06:46] <intelikey> echo '/dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1 vfat noauto,dmask=000,fmask=111,noexec,nosuid,user,users 0 0' | sudo tee -a /etc/fstab
[06:46] <magnusda> esaym, yup, WPA-PSK and WEP at least
[06:47] <esaym> it works good for me but tomorrow it get to try it on my girlfriends wpa enabled router, just wondering what to expect
[06:47] <intelikey> kai  lsb-release
[06:47] <magnusda> esaym , actually it's one of the pieces of software I'm most happy iwth
[06:47] <kai> thanx
[06:47] <esaym> ah, well hell yea
[06:47] <pacman> okay
[06:47] <magnusda> esaym , it remembers the settings for different networks, and always seems to pick the one I want (multiple overlapping networks :) )
[06:47] <kai> it says command not found
[06:47] <poningru> kai: lsb_release?
[06:48] <intelikey> pacman now the mount /media/sdb1      command   and the umount /media/sdb1     should work.
[06:48] <esaym> cool
[06:48] <intelikey> or sudo mount   that
[06:48] <pacman> the mount from before?
[06:48] <kai> no modules loaded
[06:48] <esaym> i wonder how to tell what kind of wpa is being used on her router?
[06:48] <pacman> or just: mount /media/sdb1
[06:48] <intelikey> no just that simple one
[06:48] <intelikey> sudo mount /media/sdb1
[06:48] <kai> the reason for me wanting toknow is because I want to see whats up with automatix
[06:49] <kai> is it worth tryin to get? is it that good or what?
[06:49] <esaym> I see NM has a option for automatic.  Maybe it will work just fine
[06:49] <pacman> mount: according to mtab, /dev/sdb1 is already mounted on /media/sdb1
[06:50] <magnusda> !automatix > kai
[06:50] <esaym> magnusda do you have to type the wpa key into NM in hex or just regular numbers?
[06:50] <intelikey> then you didn't get it umounted or.  it automounted when you pluged it in...  i suspeect the second  in which case we are fighting  cli manual -vs- gui auto krap    and i'm not in the mood for it.
[06:51] <magnusda> esaym , I typed it in regular numbers (and letters)
[06:51] <pacman> intelikey: I think you're right
[06:51] <kai> the bot just jumped me :)
[06:51] <pacman> intelikey: I appreciate everything...I'll screw with it some more tomorrow, I've got to get to bed...4am is awful early
[06:51] <intelikey> pacman so turn it off and go to bed and tomarrow it will work maybe
[06:51] <esaym> oh ok. her's is just numbers hmm
[06:52] <ironfroggy> what would cause a grub installation with no errors to just hang at "Loading GRUB stage1.5."?
[06:52] <magnusda> esaym , that depends on what you set it to. You can choose whether to input it as hex or ascii
[06:52] <esaym> i see
[06:52] <magnusda> ironfroggy , my desktop hangs if I have my NWN2 DVD in :)
[06:52] <esaym> so i guess i would just choose ascii then
[06:53] <magnusda> ironfroggy , in my case it's the Securom software I guess :(
[06:53] <ironfroggy> magnusda: ive removed all other discs
[06:53] <intelikey> my thinking is that if it's automounted that line in fstab might prevent that when the machine is restarted..... but i don't sujest a reboot to see..
[06:53] <magnusda> esaym , if you have your key in ascii, then do that :)
[06:53] <ironfroggy> ive not been able to boot my desktop for nearly a month. im beyond despair for trying to repair it.
[06:53] <esaym> i shall :)
[06:53] <magnusda> ironfroggy , try getting SuperGrubDisk and see if that owrks for you
[06:53] <fit4lfe_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34912/
[06:54] <fit4lfe_> can someone help me this one !
[06:54] <magnusda> ironfroggy , it should be able to restore your boot record, evne if it's in dual boot with windows
[06:54] <magnusda> ironfroggy , *even
[06:54] <dipesh> ironfroggy: e.g. a grub config that points to the wrong kernel could also be the reason...
[06:55] <intelikey> ironfroggy what setup you got ?
[06:55] <freet15> pacman, bye
[06:55] <ironfroggy> no dual boot. one harddrive, one partition, installing grub to the MBR. its at hda. very very vanilla setup.
[06:55] <dipesh> ironfroggy: if you select the item from the grubmenu and press "e" you are able to see+edit the boot-params...
[06:56] <intelikey> ironfroggy hmmmm not bios mismatched is it ?
[06:56] <intelikey> grub can only boot what bios can boot
[06:56] <ironfroggy> dipesh: i cant get to the grub menu.
[06:57] <dipesh> uh
[06:57] <ironfroggy> intelikey: no, the bios is able to boot the disc, otherwise i wouldnt be getting any grub messages when it does so.
[06:57] <magnusda> ironfroggy , personally I'd give SGD a try, unless someone says that it can do more harm than good :)
[06:58] <dipesh> ironfroggy: that sounds like something went wrong with the grub-install then
[06:58] <intelikey> i.e.  if bios doesn't correctly recognize the disk/partiton  then grub is hosed       note; reading mbr != reading partition
[06:58] <winbond> whats the command to reconfigure the xserver in 6.10?
[06:58] <dipesh> intelikey: as far as I understood it, it was working for ironfroggy before, or?
[06:58] <kai> ..are there any java devel in here?
[06:58] <intelikey> winbond sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:58] <winbond> intelikey: ty
[06:59] <dipesh> kai: y
[06:59] <fit4lfe_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34912/
[06:59] <intelikey> dipesh & ironfroggy  i don't know how big that disk is but a boot partition might be the answer.
[06:59] <kai> becasue I need help setting up my kate for javac
[06:59] <kai> But I can't find the sdk and the jdk didn't either when I downloaded it from java.sun
[07:00] <dipesh> intelikey: y, true... could also be a prob. but iirc "grub-install" should print a warning in that case, or?
[07:00] <intelikey> fit4lfe_ i know a hack.
[07:01] <ironfroggy> i have reinstalled grub many dozens of times. it was working fine, until i tried to install edgy.
[07:02] <dipesh> KaiHanari: try clicking "Java SE" on java.sun.com (in the right under download)
[07:02] <dipesh> kai I meaned
[07:02] <kai> I did that already
[07:02] <kai> I got the net beans bundle
[07:02] <intelikey> fit4lfe_ sudo mv /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d . && sudo ln -s /bin/true /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d      and re-run your install command.  or just   sudo apt-get install -f       <<< that's a hack it will need undone after wards
[07:03] <kai> but I like to free hand it alot, cus I'm studying for my exam reall soon
[07:03] <dipesh> KaiHanari: guess then I still miss the prob; javac works from the Konsole?
[07:03] <fit4lfe_> how do I undo it though
[07:03] <KaiHanari> wtf
[07:03] <kai> I'll try it again
[07:04] <intelikey> ironfroggy ok that's a repartitioning that went off there?     clean install ?
[07:04] <intelikey> sudo rm /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d && mv invoke-rc.d /usr/sbin
[07:04] <intelikey> @ fit4lfe_
[07:04] <kai> I think I may need the java EE sdk and it all works
[07:05] <fit4lfe_> thx alot so appreciate it
[07:05] <kai> Cus i already have the jdk
[07:05] <fit4lfe_> so what  was wrong with it so I can understand
[07:05] <dipesh> KaiHanari: EE is for enterprise development... not needed if you just like to hack e.g. swing or such stuff...
[07:05] <KaiHanari> Eh?
[07:05] <kai> no
[07:06] <dipesh> KaiHanari: sorry
[07:06] <ironfroggy> intelikey: yeah it was a completely clean install.
[07:06] <kai> I can't use netbeans, it works fine there but when I kate and use javac it sayd bash command not found
[07:06] <dipesh> KaiHanari: I meaned kai, but the auto-completion in Kopete seems to choose your nick each time I type ka<tab>
[07:06] <intelikey> it expected invoke-rc.d  command to do something that it didn't do....   man invoke-rc.d   to understand what it does.    so we told the package manager that it did it. so it would not error out.
[07:06] <intelikey> @ fit4lfe_
[07:07] <dipesh> KaiHanari: then javac is not in your $PATH...
[07:07] <dipesh> *arg*
[07:07] <fit4lfe_> thanks so much
[07:07] <dipesh> sorry again!
[07:07] <kai> how do i set it?
[07:07] <KaiHanari> -_-
[07:07] <kai> I never really found out how the class path works in linux yet
[07:07] <kai> in Suse I could just download the java devel kit and I was good to go
[07:08] <macconline> hi... what software for linux how partition magic?
[07:08] <KaiHanari> well kai has the name im supposed to have anyway, just someone has regged the name with nickserv before i bothered to register it, so i had to change to register
[07:08] <intelikey> ironfroggy i'm still betting that the partition is not readable to grub!    for what ever reason.....   and the answer would be a boot partition.   it should be hda1  and less than 2g in size ext2 or 3  and mounted on  /boot
[07:08] <kai> ..and not knowing how to set the class path screwed me on connecting to mySql
[07:08] <dipesh> KaiHanari: "export PATH=/path/to/your/javac:$PATH" and if you like to have it persistent, add e.g. it to your ~/.bash_profile ... also it may a good idea to set export JAVA_HOME=/path/to/your/java/home/directory
[07:08] <ironfroggy> wait
[07:08] <dipesh> kai:
[07:09] <ironfroggy> less than 2gb in size? what?
[07:09] <intelikey> yes for the boot partition.
[07:09] <dipesh> KaiHanari: "export CLASSPATH=/the/additional/path:$CLASSPATH"
[07:09] <kai> so where ever the jdk installed thats the path?
[07:09] <dipesh> y
[07:10] <dipesh> KaiHanari: to test it, just copy+paste those "export..." line to your Konsole and look if "javac" is found...
[07:10] <dipesh> *arg again*
[07:10] <kai> becasue I had the driver but I never figured out how to set the class path so I had to unjar it in every directory I wanted to use it
[07:10] <kai> ok, one sec
[07:10] <intelikey> i have no problem with the idea of a 50m  boot partition  but some like more room than that. ironfroggy
[07:10] <ironfroggy> well i was just using the install defaults with one partition.
[07:11] <intelikey> ironfroggy yep   but it's not working for you.    so try something else.
[07:11] <ironfroggy> i have. ive tried everything i could think of./
[07:12] <ironfroggy> ive also tried lilo. ive tried sticking in an old (known to be good) drive as a seperate boot.
[07:12] <ironfroggy> ive run out of ideas.
[07:12] <intelikey> first rule of opensource.  there is not a "right way" there is your way, my way, and another way.
[07:12] <intelikey> lilo should boot it.
[07:12] <intelikey> lilo can boot things that grub cant
[07:14] <intelikey> second rule of opensource.  if it's worth writing it's worth sharing.
[07:14] <ironfroggy> it worked before, now it wont. i dunno.
[07:14] <ironfroggy> gotta get going anywaqy.
[07:14] <kai> do I need to restart it?
[07:14] <dipesh> kai: nope, linux is not windows :)
[07:14] <dipesh> you only need to restart if you compiled a new kernel and like to use it (but iirc there is also a way to work around that reboot)...
[07:15] <intelikey> this is not that M$ reboot OS    don't restart the computer to clear the screen.
[07:15] <kai> I put the commands in
[07:15] <kai> lol
[07:16] <kai> ...I didnt get any errors or anything but javac still doesnt work...this is where my javac is located /home/kai/jdk1.5.0_09/bin
[07:16] <magnusda> hmpf...KDM Theme manager isn't working
[07:16] <intelikey> dipesh indeed there are kernel options that allow for loading a new kernel in a running system.... but alas it is affectively the same as a reboot minus the bios post.
[07:16] <dipesh> KaiHanari: the "export PATH=...." into the Konsole and _at_the_same_konsole_window_ tried to run e.g. "javac" and it doesn't say "command not found" ?
[07:17] <kai> Are u serious, I didnt have to do all that last time
[07:17] <kai> Im using the kate terminal
[07:17] <draeath> Anyone know how to get the screensaver control panel in Kubuntu to show ALL the configuration? It seems that I have no way to specify things like colormap, fading, image/text/video sources etc
[07:18] <dipesh> intelikey: there was a project something like 2 years or so ago that was able to replace the loaded kernel in the mem... don't know if how far it was or if the code was merged into the kernel...
[07:18] <intelikey> dipesh we're probably talking about the same thing.   what i read was in the kernel docs.
[07:18] <dipesh> KaiHanari: and it doesn't say "command not found" any longer? then it's working now :)
[07:19] <dipesh> eh... now Kopete replaces kai: with KaiH... hmmm...
[07:19] <kai> lol
[07:20] <dipesh> intelikey: but then it's not the same as a reboot since e.g. services don't need to be restarted
[07:20] <dipesh> or?
[07:20] <dipesh> KaiHanari: test
[07:21] <dipesh> damn, something wired is going on...
[07:21] <intelikey> dipesh actually the services and running apps are not saved,  so...
[07:22] <draeath> Anyone know how to get the screensaver control panel in Kubuntu to show ALL the configuration? It seems that I have no way to specify things like colormap, fading, image/text/video sources etc
[07:22] <dipesh> intelikey: "not saved"?
[07:23] <dipesh> "kai": so, java+javac works now?
[07:23] <intelikey> dipesh it would be desasterous to insert loaded kernel modules into another kernel that could be major versions apart
[07:23] <intelikey> dipesh it's the : used as a autocomplete char i suspect
[07:24] <kai> no
[07:25] <kai> I don't Im on sun.com right now
[07:25] <william> ok ive installed kubuntu 6.10 and I love it, but the user i set up, seems to be root, do I need to add a weaker user? or am I only psuedo root?
[07:25] <intelikey> william you are root jr.
[07:26] <intelikey> !sudo | william
[07:26] <ubotu> william: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[07:26] <ironfroggy> could any odd hardware problems cause grub to fail booting as im seeing?
[07:26] <intelikey> and yes a weeker user might be a good idea.
[07:26] <ironfroggy> considering that i have the exact same problem across multiple fress installs on this box?
[07:28] <intelikey> ironfroggy yes.  but i still think if there is anyway to make a manual entry in the bios (with some bios's there is not)  you should set the disk pramaters  cyl/head/sect  correctly.
[07:28] <william> i keep trying to install the java plugin , and it just hangs on a screen asking to click ok, but it doesnt let me click
[07:28] <dipesh> intelikey: well, if the kernel got really replaced in the mem + all old modules are unloaded + matching modules of the new kernel are loaded + ... :-) anyway, noone sayed it's useful to try it to save such kind of reboots ;)
[07:28] <kai> this blows, i can't java anything
[07:29] <Jucato> william: don't use Adept when installing Sun Java
[07:29] <ironfroggy> intelikey: i dont know if its relevent, but i never had this problem until i installed an ubuntu based distro on this box. ive been running other flavors on it for over half a decade.
[07:29] <intelikey> dipesh "matching modules of the new kernel"  assumes a lot of backward compatability.   linux is not famous for that.
[07:29] <william> but what about the plugin for firefox?
[07:30] <Jucato> william: use "sudo apt-get install sun-java5-plugin" in Konsole to install that
[07:30] <intelikey> ironfroggy it's alos quite possable that ubuntu didn't set the disk parameters correctly and thus wrote a non-sensical partition.
[07:30] <dipesh> "kai": so, what does not work? what kind of errormessage you get now on "javac"?
[07:30] <kai> command not found
[07:31] <dipesh> "kai": then the path you defined at export PATH="..." is wrong and to download another package from java.sun.com wan't solve it...
[07:31] <intelikey> ironfroggy either way.  one thing seems obvious  bios and linux are not in agreement about how to read your disk.
[07:31] <momal> Anyone know good program like Nero Vision for windows? | I need simple menu/chapter support
[07:31] <ironfroggy> intelikey: if that was the case, how is it getting past grub stage 1?
[07:31] <kai> I never had to set the class path before, Suse did it for me I guess
[07:31] <ironfroggy> intelikey: if that was the case, wouldnt it have trouble even finding the bootloader?
[07:32] <momal> Anyone know good program like Nero Vision? but one good with linux :) | I need simple menu/chapter support
[07:32] <intelikey> ironfroggy no.  that's in the mbr
[07:32] <dipesh> "kai": let's say you installed netbeams in "/opt/nb" ... and your javac is in "/opt/nb/java/bin/javac"... then it should look like "export PATH="/opt/nb/java/bin:$PATH"
[07:32] <intelikey> first 512 bites of the disk
[07:32] <ironfroggy> intelikey: ok so you are saying the problem is that the stage1 loader is looking for the stage1.5 loader in the wrong place? make sense.
[07:33] <kai> do I have to do that every single time I restart my comp?
[07:33] <intelikey> that's what i'm saying
[07:33] <william> still doesnt work, hangs on a java screen asking to click ok
[07:33] <Jucato> william: in Konsole?
[07:33] <kai> I had that problem
[07:33] <william> yes in konsole
[07:33] <ironfroggy> intelikey: is there a way to inspect where grub thinks they are and to inspect the actual location on disk of a file's inode, so i can discover this?
[07:33] <kai> william: fixit using the cli
[07:34] <Jucato> william: use your keyboard to select OK, and hit Enter
[07:34] <dipesh> "kai": nope. once it works you are able to put the lines e.g. into your ~/.bash_profile ...
[07:34] <kai> Jucato: in the package install it won;t wokr
[07:34] <kai> dipesh: wheres the bash profile located?
[07:34] <Jucato> kai: I know. I'm the one who told him to use apt-get
[07:35] <william> oh that is so totally lame
[07:35] <kai> my bad
[07:35] <william> but it worked
[07:35] <ironfroggy> any idea what exit code 20 means for grub-reinstall?
[07:36] <intelikey> ironfroggy yes.  but don't get me started lying about how...   hehhe    one could use a hex editor and look at the hd dirrectly.      or something like  dd if=/dev/hda count=128 | hd | less         you might want to increase the count  idk
[07:36] <kai> I can put the export path anywhere? Doesnt matter
[07:37] <dipesh> "kai": in "~" what is your homedirectory (so, e.g. /home/myusername/.bash_profile) ... cause the filename starts with a point, it's a hidden file (for the case you wonder that you don't see it in konqi).
[07:37] <ironfroggy> intelikey: is there anyway to remedy a system that seems to be having such weird faults?
[07:37] <ironfroggy> maybe some flags to give grub?
[07:37] <intelikey> ironfroggy the old nortons utility could even let you read dirrectly.
[07:38] <kai> dipesh: I found, I need to put it in the if/fi statements right?
[07:38] <dipesh> "kai": just put it at the bottom and it should work... the .bash_profile is readed+executed if you login, normaly by the .bashrc file...
[07:38] <intelikey> ironfroggy yes maybe but you need to get linux and bios to agree on the disk stats  if possable   that's the answer in a nut-shell
[07:38] <dipesh> "kai": in what if-statements? well, just put it at the bottom outside of any if-statement
[07:38] <kai> I was only askin cus theres to if statements and I wasnt sure if it had to go some where specific
[07:38] <kai> ok
[07:40] <ironfroggy> intelikey: well is there a way to discover which one is wrong?
[07:40] <intelikey> correct which ever is not in agreement with the info on the hd it's self.... the sticker has always held the disk cyl/head/sect info.   check it and compare bios.  if that's correct you need to make linux agree with them before you install so the partitioning will be correct.
[07:41] <intelikey> pull the cover and read the sticker
[07:41] <ironfroggy> ugh oh god
[07:41] <ironfroggy> this case is so crappy i actually have to dismantle the case itself to be able to remove the harddrive.
[07:41] <ironfroggy> ill just find a way to cheat
[07:41] <intelikey> yuch.....
[07:42] <Search4Lancer> what's the format for including username and password in an FTP URL?
[07:42] <intelikey> got docs on the hd ?
[07:42] <intelikey> owners manual
[07:42] <william> i know p2p is probly off topic, but can anyone tell me a good client for kubuntu?
[07:42] <ironfroggy> in the past for backups ive actually run IDE cables out of the case and into another box, just to avoid removing the disk.
[07:42] <dipesh> "kai": you may also like to take a look at http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/essential/environment/paths.html ... there it's more logical explained + examples are shown. May useful to understand why it's needed + how classpath's are working, etc.
[07:42] <intelikey> websearch the manufacture ?
[07:42] <kai> dipesh: ok, Im on it
[07:42] <Search4Lancer> or, can anyone give me a better FTP client than Kasablanca or filerunner?
[07:43] <dipesh> william: kmldonkey is nice :)
[07:43] <william> gftp?
[07:43] <intelikey> ironfroggy hehhe i have an ide cable sticking out of a box.... :)   but just cause i don't have usb ports on it and no usb cradle for an ide drive....
[07:44] <intelikey> Search4Lancer kftp gftp ncftp ftp sftp....
[07:45] <dipesh> Search4Lancer: konqueror also supports ftp... just put "ftp://whatever.com" into the locationbar... it also works transparently from within _any_ KDE-application (e.g. open Kate, choose File open and put there ftp://... into the locationbar. If you save the open file, it will be automaticly saved on the ftp-server.
[07:45] <intelikey> s/kftp/kftpgrabber/
[07:45] <Search4Lancer> thanks
[07:45] <houseman> hello everyone
[07:45] <intelikey> yes and so does mozilla   and most other web browsers
[07:46] <intelikey> mc  does ftp too iirc
[07:46] <chupa-chups> hello every body iam  just ttrying to install newer vergion of msn and iam being asked for mirror would u tell me what is mirror ???????????????
[07:46] <houseman> has anyone tried to install Octave on kubuntu
[07:46] <dipesh> intelikey: except that konqi is not a webbrowser nor is the ftp-code related to konqi...
[07:46] <chupa-chups> houseeman - what does it do
[07:47] <intelikey> dipesh konqueror is a web browesr
[07:47] <houseman> it is a mathbased language used for engineering
[07:47] <intelikey> and file manager.
[07:47] <houseman> it is similar to Matlab
[07:47] <chupa-chups> oh thanx
[07:47] <houseman> i tried the package manager but it says it would cause breaks
[07:47] <dipesh> intelikey: it's a container for any kpart... the webbrowser is khtml which has the khtml_part-kpart used to display html-pages within e.g. konqi. But you could also use e.g. kmldonkey to browse through the web ;)
[07:47] <chupa-chups> could i find free download of autocad
[07:48] <houseman> so i am doing an upgrade and going to try it again
[07:48] <intelikey> dipesh oh konqi.
[07:48] <houseman> idk autocad
[07:48] <chupa-chups> from where ??????????]
[07:49] <houseman> chupa-chups, are you talking to me about autocad?
[07:49] <chupa-chups> yes
[07:49] <houseman> i dont know anything about autocad
[07:49] <chupa-chups> mmmmmmmmmm
[07:50] <houseman> i am trying to get Octave to work
[07:50] <chupa-chups> so waht is idk autocad
[07:50] <chupa-chups> the same pro?????
[07:50] <houseman> no, it is like a program called Matlab.
[07:50] <chupa-chups> ic
[07:51] <chupa-chups> so would i ask u about something
[07:51] <houseman> sure. but i am kinda new
[07:51] <chupa-chups>  iam  just ttrying to install newer vergion of msn and iam being asked for mirror would u tell me what is mirror ???????????????
[07:51] <intelikey> dipesh but that's like saying mozilla is not a web browser....    by that standard, it's not.  it's the window that the browser or the mail reader or the composer or .... runs in.
[07:52] <houseman> a mirror is a site that helps reduce heavy traffic loads by offering the same download in multiple servers
[07:52] <robotgeek> houseman: i would recommend using koctave
[07:52] <houseman> i tried that robotgeek
[07:52] <houseman> it says break in install
[07:52] <chupa-chups>  ok if iam from egypt would i select north america for example
[07:52] <houseman> sure
[07:52] <robotgeek> houseman: weird, can you paste (http://rafb.net/paste) the whole message
[07:53] <chupa-chups>  thnk u very much
[07:53] <dipesh> intelikey: well... the part that does render html-pages (so khtml) is not the same that does render ftp...
[07:53] <houseman> not right now, i am running a whole system upgrade to make sure dependincies are met
[07:54] <intelikey> dipesh to the user it's all one.
[07:54] <houseman> no prob chupa
[07:54] <dipesh> intelikey: y, absolutly true.
[07:55] <houseman> robotgeek: have you used Matlab and koctave
[07:55] <robotgeek> houseman: yes, matlab not on linux thoughh
[07:56] <intelikey> robotgeek why rafb ?     just wondering... cause ubuntu has an official pastebin.
[07:56] <dipesh> intelikey: and that's the great thing. while it looks as beeing the same, under the hood it's all component-based and could be reused at just any application with just some lines of code. damn cool technique.
[07:56] <houseman> robotgeek: have you ever seen koctave?
[07:56] <robotgeek> intelikey: well, that is what is in my autocomplete list :)
[07:56] <oliver_> hi
[07:56] <robotgeek> houseman: yes
[07:57] <houseman> does it look like matlab does in windows?
[07:57] <robotgeek> houseman: look?
[07:57] <oliver_> has someone successfully compiled dazuko
[07:58] <houseman> nvrmind, i am going to the homepage too see koctave
[07:58] <robotgeek> houseman: not very similiar
[07:58] <intelikey> dipesh and if they didn't try so hard to make everything "just work" with automounting like M$ i'd really like it.    as it stands i tolerate it i guess.
[08:00] <magnusda_> intelikey , I think the automounting feature of KDE is awesome. If Linux is ever going to be able to really go mainstream it needs to "just work" :)
[08:00] <dipesh> intelikey: or just disable it like I did on my desktop-system :)
[08:00] <intelikey> magnusda_ then i hope linux "never really goes mainstream"
[08:01] <intelikey> i hate M$ xp   and if linux ever becomes like it, i'll find something else to use.
[08:01] <dipesh> intelikey: at the end it's all about beeing able to use a feature or don't use it. The user is able to decide while the distributor defines what is enabled/disabled by default...
[08:02] <kai> dipesh: I got it to work but everytime I close the console I have to do it it again
[08:02] <magnusda_> intelikey , like dipesh said. Just disable it. It's hard to explain to someone why they cannot use their USB keys without getting involved with a console and such
[08:02] <intelikey> dipesh that's not so true for xp  and that's why i hate it so much.    well that and the eula     and the price    and ....
[08:02] <houseman> robotgeek: i haven't compiled anything on kubuntu before, but i have had experience with it in slack, do you think i should try to compile koctave and octave?
[08:02] <dipesh> "kai": and you did put it into your ~/.bash_profile ? hmmm...
[08:02] <robotgeek> houseman: hmm, no need really.
[08:03] <kai> dipesh: right now I'm in my .bash_profile its still not working system wide
[08:03] <robotgeek> houseman: i think you will need to compile libaltas, etc etc, which can be quite painful
[08:03] <dipesh> intelikey: same here + the politic + the missing freedom + the missing sourcecode + .... :)
[08:03] <houseman> robotgeek: how so, the package manager wont do it for me
[08:03] <houseman> oh
[08:03] <houseman> ic
[08:03] <intelikey> magnusda_ you don't have to get involved with the cli   a script would be fine.  just point and click to mount things.....   would be much better imo than automounting if you don't want it mounted.
[08:03] <robotgeek> houseman: not compile it for you
[08:04] <kai> ...is there anything else Im missing
[08:04] <houseman> robotgeek: I'll keep trying the packages
[08:04] <intelikey> but magnusda_ i'm through discussing it.
[08:04] <houseman> robotgeek: does the dpkg tool work well
[08:05] <robotgeek> houseman: apt-get works extremely well
[08:05] <magnusda_> intelikey , alright, I won't reply, then.
[08:05] <dipesh> "kai": eh, the .bash_profile is only for the user... /etc/profile is for system-wide stuff (so, for all users)...
[08:05] <houseman> robotgeek: ok, thanks
[08:05] <intelikey> magnusda_ reply if you wish  but i'm finished.
[08:06] <kai> oh
[08:06] <kai> dipesh: oops
[08:06] <kai> lemme try again
[08:07] <houseman> robotgeek: what do you use Matlab for?
[08:08] <intelikey> well maybe i'm not.   i have one other thing to add.    i like the way linux works "without a gui running".   but when starting a gui changes the way things are working, it pisses me off.
[08:08] <robotgeek> houseman: i dont use it anymore, but i used to use the control systems toolbox extensively
[08:08] <kai> dipesh: Do I put the exact same thing in the profile?
[08:08] <dipesh> "kai": y
[08:08] <koriel> how can I add kubuntu features like transparency in windows, changing desktop with wheel mouse, smoothing dragging windows etc
[08:08] <koriel> ?
[08:08] <magnusda_> intelikey , no need to reply if I'm the only one reading it ;)
[08:08] <kai> dipesh: For setting the class path
[08:09] <intelikey> :)
[08:09] <kai> PATH=/home/kai/jdk1.5.0_09/bin: export path?
[08:09] <kai> thats it?
[08:09] <intelikey> kai no
[08:09] <intelikey> kai add  :$PATH
[08:10] <dipesh> intelikey: well, at linux GUI and console are working together pretty good. So, you are able to control GUI-apps from the konsole...
[08:10] <kai> what is it supposed to look like?
[08:10] <kai> PATH=/home/kai/jdk1.5.0_09/bin: $PATH?
[08:10] <intelikey> no space
[08:10] <koriel> kai: you can do something like that ln -s /home/kai/jdk1.5.0_09/bin/java /usr/bin/java and the same for javac
[08:11] <intelikey> and you shoudl quote it.
[08:11] <ironfroggy> WTF
[08:11] <dipesh> "kai" plus the "export" part like described at the sun-page I posted before...
[08:11] <intelikey> koriel and that will need sudo
[08:11] <ironfroggy> so i went to install lilo, and i reboot and what do i see?
[08:11] <ironfroggy> now its made it all the way to grub stage 2 before locking up!
[08:11] <koriel> oh he is not a sudoer?
[08:11] <ironfroggy> does that even count as some weird kind of progress?
[08:11] <dipesh> koriel: but that does not solve the classpath-prob ;)
[08:11] <intelikey> ironfroggy lol   no
[08:12] <koriel> sorry I didn't read the whole conversation, my bad
[08:12] <ironfroggy> seriously, wtf?!
[08:12] <kai> Im confused again
[08:12] <kai>  PATH=/home/kai/jdk1.5.0_09/bin: $PATH
[08:12] <kai> so thats not right?
[08:12] <kai>  PATH=/home/kai/jdk1.5.0_09/bin:export $PATH
[08:12] <intelikey> export PATH="/home/kai/jdk1.5.0_09/bin:$PATH"
[08:12] <kai> thats what I put the first time
[08:12] <kai> oh
[08:12] <kai> damnit
[08:13] <intelikey> one command is better than two
[08:14] <kai> i need the ""?
[08:14] <qbit> hrmmm - this new kvirc took out the "" - it was pasted
[08:14] <intelikey> remember the second rule of opensource,   there is not a 'right way'  there are many ways.  your way, my way, another way,  maybe even a better way.    but not a "right way"
[08:14] <qbit> lol - any way that gets it done   :-)
[08:15] <kai> ok
[08:15] <dipesh> :)
[08:15] <kai> I just put export PATH=/home/kai/jdk1.5.0_09/bin:$PATH
[08:15] <qbit> resin is about the only thing I run that really seems to need to find the jdk
[08:15] <kai> im my et/profile and when I javac it still say command not found
[08:15] <intelikey> that should work  but you should always quote thing with $ in them
[08:16] <intelikey> you only read etc/profile on login.
[08:16] <intelikey> logout and try again.
[08:16] <dipesh> "kai": cause you don't relogin, the /etc/profile is not readed... so, for now you may like to "source /etc/profile" ... later not needed cause then /etc/profile will be readed on login...
[08:16] <chupa-chups> hi all
[08:16] <kai> so I do have to restart?
[08:16] <TheBlunderbuss> Hi there.  Do I need to write the LiveCD to a CDR or can I write to CDRW?
[08:16] <intelikey> no just lobin
[08:17] <intelikey> login
[08:17] <kai> every one made fun of me about that
[08:17] <kai> So just re-login?
[08:17] <intelikey> yep
[08:17] <kai> ok, gravy
[08:17] <qbit> TheBlunderbuss: CDRW is what I just used to install Edgy
[08:17] <kai> I will be back in 5
[08:17] <chupa-chups>  wht program should pay files .wav
[08:18] <chupa-chups>  sorry , what program should play files .wav
[08:18] <houseman> chuppa: amarok, xmms
[08:18] <intelikey> dipesh and yes i know . /etc/profile would initiate that for one shell  but imo better to let him login so it's user wide.
[08:18] <chupa-chups> they dont want to
[08:18] <houseman> that is strange
[08:18] <dipesh> intelikey: y, true :)
[08:19] <houseman> do any sounds play?
[08:19] <chupa-chups> what can i do for that
[08:19] <chupa-chups> any extensions
[08:19] <houseman> yeah, will any sound file play at all
[08:20] <chupa-chups> wait
[08:20] <intelikey> dipesh hehhe also if peradventure there was a space in $PATH  snit will go to ned and he'll learn why you quote things like that   lol
[08:20] <ironfroggy> ugh now i get as far as 'LI' on boot
[08:20] <chupa-chups> another song .wav is played now
[08:20] <TheBlunderbuss> Thanks qbit
[08:20] <chupa-chups> i dont know
[08:20] <houseman> that is strange
[08:20] <chupa-chups> he is playing some and the other not
[08:21] <houseman> perhaps some of them are corrupted
[08:21] <chupa-chups> no they are played all under window
[08:21] <chupa-chups> no they are played all under windows
[08:21] <dipesh> intelikey: I still remember the time I was starting with linux and I made exactly the same mistakes... but it's really a good way to learn the basics :)
[08:22] <dipesh> (like taking care of evil spaces :)
[08:22] <intelikey> all electronics run on smoke.    "snit > ned" ==  "smoke not in this noise emiting diode"      technitions joke.
[08:23] <intelikey> pronounced "snit went to ned"  ^
[08:25] <qbit> chupa-chups: iirc maybe not all .wav files in windows are necessarily in the same codec format
[08:25] <qbit> so even though they'll all play in windows there are some that won't in non-windows
[08:26] <intelikey> should be one of two formats  but the bit rates can very greatly   iirc
[08:26] <qbit> I've seen that before
[08:28] <intelikey> and .wav is supported in linux without propritary "codecs"     is it not ?
[08:29] <qbit> well I've always installed the extra-codecs package immediately on install so I don't know if it does/doesn't with a default install
[08:30] <qbit> but I have seen .wav files that would play in windows that won't play in any other *nix system, ie FreeBSD, Linux, or Solaris
[08:30] <xsacha> wont play without proprietary ?
[08:31] <qbit> in other words I wanted him to know that it's probably the particular .wavs themselves and not his system, per se
[08:32] <chupa-chups> there is another problim
[08:32] <xsacha> how do you install extra-codecs ?
[08:32] <xsacha> like where do i get it
[08:32] <chupa-chups> ok continu then i will tell the next problim
[08:32] <qbit> add the multi lines to your sources.list
[08:32] <chupa-chups> ???????????
[08:33] <qbit> I think it's an FAQ and a bot help thingy
[08:33] <chupa-chups> i know how to reach sources list by command line but what is multi lines
[08:33] <qbit> they won't package the extra-codecs with the base system 'cause of proprietary nonsense
[08:33] <ironfroggy> with "GRUB Read Error" what might it have an error reading and why?
[08:34] <chupa-chups> the next problim is : my movies .avi and .asf dont want to be playded too
[08:34] <intelikey> partition.  invalid/improper block size
[08:34] <qbit> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34920/
[08:35] <intelikey> !mp3 | chupa-chups
[08:35] <ubotu> chupa-chups: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:35] <qbit> here's mine for an example - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34920/
[08:35] <qbit> oops - sorry 'bout hitting it twice  :-)
[08:36] <chupa-chups> ok ok thank u for help
[08:36] <ironfroggy> also, i got this error specifically when i tried to install grub to a floppy (i am suspecting there is definately some issue with my bios and harddrive.
[08:38] <qbit> you see the universe lines, just make another set like them with multiverse, refresh and you should be able to pull in the w32codecs package
[08:38] <qbit> i think that's where they live
[08:38] <intelikey> why not just add multiverse to that line ?
[08:39] <intelikey> anyway.
[08:39] <qbit> get libxine-extracodecs too
[08:39] <intelikey> my sources.list is four lines long.
[08:39] <qbit> yeah - mine could definitely stand a good cleaning
[08:40] <wonderboy> hello all
[08:40] <qbit> it's kind of been cut and pasted for a while
[08:40] <qbit> it's sloppy
[08:40] <wonderboy> is somebody here who use kubuntu?
[08:40] <wonderboy> !!!
[08:40] <kruemeltee> sure
[08:41] <intelikey> correction.  i removed the extra one that had the non-free stuff  it's only three lines long now.
[08:41] <wonderboy> I want a program like odc++
[08:41] <qbit> clean is good, I should really clean mine up too   :-)
[08:41] <wonderboy> a name
[08:41] <kruemeltee> wonderboy, whats odc++?
[08:41] <wonderboy> !
[08:41] <intelikey> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main universe multiverse
[08:41] <intelikey> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-updates main universe multiverse
[08:41] <intelikey> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main universe multiverse
[08:41] <wonderboy> dc++
[08:41] <intelikey> clean  ^
[08:41] <wonderboy> u don't know
[08:42] <dipesh> direct connect?
[08:42] <kruemeltee> sorry, no ... but wait a second
[08:42] <Jucato> you don't have restricted, intelikey?
[08:42] <intelikey> no
[08:42] <wonderboy> yup
[08:42] <intelikey> don't need or want it
[08:42] <Jucato> figures :)
[08:42] <intelikey> but could be added to each line if needed
[08:42] <wonderboy> is a download program
[08:43] <Jucato> intelikey: you probably don't need it, as most stuff in restricted are kernel related, and you compile your own, right?
[08:43] <dipesh> wonderboy: afaik mldonkey also supports directconnect and has with kmldonkey a nice gui...
[08:43] <intelikey> does kinda figure, don't it Jucato.....  :)    guess i never thought of it.
[08:43] <Jucato> heh :)
[08:43] <wonderboy> is somebody who know?
[08:43] <intelikey> Jucato yes rolled my own.
[08:44] <kruemeltee> I think dipesh already told you, wonderboy
[08:44] <qbit> my restricted was for the xen module
[08:44] <intelikey> wonderboy what did you say dc++ is ?
[08:44] <wonderboy> sorry i was to the bath
[08:44] <wonderboy> were
[08:44] <wonderboy> yes
[08:45] <dipesh> 08:44:53 < dipesh >  wonderboy: afaik mldonkey also supports directconnect and has with kmldonkey a nice gui...
[08:45] <kruemeltee> :-) "wonderboy: afaik mldonkey also supports directconnect and has with kmldonkey a nice gui..."
 Jucato yes rolled my own. < that's a smoker talking, right there ;)
[08:45] <Jucato> hahah
[08:45] <intelikey> Bubba_Gump you would have been correct many years ago.
[08:45] <Bubba_Gump> :)
[08:46] <Bubba_Gump> the language stays :D
[08:46] <wonderboy> mldonkey
[08:46] <wonderboy> this is it?
[08:46] <intelikey> Bubba_Gump the knowledge stays to... but from it all i am now free
[08:46] <dipesh> wonderboy: a p2p-app that supports different protocols like torrent, donkey, dc, ...
[08:46] <Bubba_Gump> cool
[08:46] <Bubba_Gump> i used to smoke too
[08:46] <Bubba_Gump> two years now :)
[08:47] <Jucato> smoke what? that is the question :)
[08:47] <Bubba_Gump> heheheh
[08:47] <wonderboy> i want to download from my network
[08:47] <intelikey> Jucato by the carton and by the pound   take your pick.
[08:47] <Jucato> lol
[08:48] <kraut> moin
[08:48] <intelikey> but like the ex i didn't inhale
[08:48] <intelikey> ex-prez  is should specify
[08:49] <dipesh> wonderboy: should be np since ml has options for just everything. but I never tried the dc-support on ml, so I don't know how far the implementation is...
[08:49] <kruemeltee> wonderboy, i found dctc ... but it has no gui, it's text-based
[08:49] <wonderboy> k
[08:49] <wonderboy> thanks
[08:49] <intelikey> wonderboy what kind of dirrect connection you looking for ?
[08:50] <intelikey> most irc clients can dcc
[08:50] <wonderboy> something like dc++ for windows
[08:50] <sungam_> has anyone else tried running Songbird? It loads fine, but when I try to play a song in it it just says "Error" where it should print the song title, how much it's played and all that
[08:50] <wonderboy> i don't know if u used befor
[08:51] <makis> hi everybody
[08:51] <intelikey> wonderboy rather than me going looking for what that is just tell me what it does
[08:51] <intelikey> i don't do windows
[08:51] <wonderboy> i do
[08:51] <makis> has anyone installed a firewall for kubuntu?is it necessary?
[08:51] <Admiral_Chicago> !p2p > wonderboy
[08:51] <Admiral_Chicago> wonderboy: linux dc++
[08:51] <wonderboy> downloads diferent stufs from networks
[08:52] <wonderboy> sure?
[08:52] <Admiral_Chicago> yea
[08:52] <wonderboy> k
[08:52] <wonderboy> thanks
[08:52] <intelikey> wonderboy emule ?   ktorrents   telnet  ssh/scp    ?
[08:53] <wonderboy> i try mldonkey now
[08:53] <kruemeltee> good luck wonderboy
[08:53] <wonderboy> thanks
[08:53] <wonderboy> i need it
[08:53] <intelikey> dcgui - Direct Connect Graphical client (GTK+) (peer-based file-sharing)
[08:54] <intelikey> something like that ?
[08:54] <intelikey> it's in the repos
[08:54] <wonderboy> i think so
[08:54] <intelikey> !dcgui
[08:54] <ubotu> dcgui: Direct Connect Graphical client (GTK+) (peer-based file-sharing). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.80-5 (edgy), package size 432 kB, installed size 1292 kB
[08:55] <intelikey> it's all in knowing what you want to do.
[08:56] <Alzi2> Hey. pseudo-transparency doesn't work in ANY app. Nor Konsole, Nor Crystal (kwin theme) wants to display pseudo-transparency. If I try to enable it and I click OK, when I check back, transparency is still not on... it's annoying. I want proper pseudo-transparency. Anyone?
[08:56] <ironfroggy> how do i install lilo onto a floppy?
[08:57] <ironfroggy> i tried `lilo -M /dev/fd0` after repartitioning the floppy, and it still tells me 'Fatal: /dev/fd0 is not a master device with a primary parition table'
[08:57] <Alzi2> ironfroggy: You gotta format the floppy first.
[08:57] <wonderboy> were i can find dcgui?
[08:58] <intelikey> lilo-doc - Documentation for LILO (LInux LOader)  <<< i'd have to read... you can do it for me... :)
[08:58] <ironfroggy> Alzi2: how do i do that?
[08:58] <ironfroggy> Alzi2: i havent used a floppy since i was in grade school.
[08:58] <intelikey> mkdosfs /dev/fd0
[08:58] <Alzi2> ironfroggy: Just right-click the floppy in KDE and select format, OR do this command: 'mkdosfs /dev/fd0'
[08:58] <houseman> robotgeek: i cannot install octave, or koctave
[08:59] <Alzi2> intelikey: Can you help me with my problem?
[08:59] <Alzi2> Hey. pseudo-transparency doesn't work in ANY app. Nor Konsole, Nor Crystal (kwin theme) wants to display pseudo-transparency. If I try to enable it and I click OK, when I check back, transparency is still not on... it's annoying. I want proper pseudo-transparency. Anyone?
[08:59] <Alzi2> (That one)
[08:59] <ironfroggy> ok i have done that but i get the same error when i try to get lilo to use it
[08:59] <intelikey> Alzi2 fraid knot
[08:59] <Alzi2> intelikey: Aww... well, I tried.
[08:59] <intelikey> Alzi2 cli forte
[08:59] <itstaff> hi all do you know how to disable a script from starting at boot time
[09:00] <intelikey> sorry
[09:00] <intelikey> itstaff update-rc.d
[09:00] <intelikey> man that ^
[09:00] <intelikey> basicly remove the symlink for the runlevel dir that is starting it.
[09:01] <Alzi2> intelikey: cli forte>?
[09:01] <ironfroggy> OMG my desktop is booting up for the first time in a freaking month. i feel light headed and i think my heart is skipping a few beats!
[09:01] <intelikey> Alzi2 as in gui is not my strong point
[09:01] <Alzi2> ironfroggy: Behave.
[09:01] <Alzi2> intelikey: Ah, okay... i have both worlds on my side =)
[09:01] <ironfroggy> Alzi2: ?
[09:02] <Alzi2> ironfroggy: Command-line and graphical :P
[09:02] <intelikey> ironfroggy yep you got a kernel loaded that could do what bios could not.
[09:03] <intelikey> ironfroggy we'll have to change you nick to "floppy_boot"
[09:03] <ironfroggy> hey whatever works
[09:03] <Chris7mas> hi
[09:04] <Chris7mas> what package should i install to be able to play flac files with amarok?
[09:04] <Chris7mas> i'm using kubuntu 6.06 and amarok 1.4.4
[09:04] <intelikey> ironfroggy     hdparm -g /dev/hda      and compare with bios
[09:05] <Alzi2> https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/codecs.html
[09:05] <Alzi2> Chris7mas: https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/codecs.html
[09:05] <Chris7mas> ok thanks
[09:05] <unix_infidel> hmm, this is odd.
[09:06] <Alzi2> no pron
[09:06] <Alzi2> prob*
[09:06] <Alzi2> lol
[09:06] <unix_infidel> i cant use alt+num on irssi in vmware with the right altkey
[09:07] <intelikey> unix_infidel linux in general.  [right alt]  != [left alt]
[09:07] <unix_infidel> intelikey: hmm...
[09:07] <unix_infidel> i'm usually able to use that keybind without any problems.
[09:08] <intelikey> unix_infidel i use lots of consoles   L-alt+f1 == tty1    R-alt+f1 == tty13    it may be doing simular in your vmware.
[09:09] <Chris7mas> it doesn't work Alzi2
[09:09] <unix_lappy> intelikey: it's not alt+f0-9
[09:09] <unix_lappy> its alt+num(0-9)
[09:09] <Alzi2> Chris7mas: go to www.ubuntuforums.org and search for 'flac'. If that doesn't help you, go to the Ubuntu wiki and search for 'flac'
[09:10] <intelikey> i know  but the point is  r-alt != l-alt    cause  f1 = f1    duh.
[09:13] <wonderboy> is somebody who have instaler of dcgui?
[09:13] <intelikey> here in this console  in bx  if i press l-alt+1 i get "-:- SWAP: Window 1 is not hidden!"    but R-alt+1 i get""   nothing.....   r-alt+2 "@"   l-alt+2 "-:- SWAP: No such window: 2"    and so on....
[09:13] <wonderboy> i can't find it
[09:13] <intelikey> wonderboy it's in universe
[09:13] <intelikey> !repos
[09:13] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:14] <intelikey> !universe
[09:14] <wonderboy> in univers?
[09:14] <intelikey> read the link ^
[09:14] <ironfroggy> intelikey: what if my bios doesnt display the geometry its using?
[09:14] <wonderboy> i'm from romania
[09:14] <wonderboy> what link
[09:14] <wonderboy> ?
[09:14] <j_> what is the moodbar thing in Amarok?
[09:14] <intelikey> ironfroggy that makes it harder to trubble shoot
[09:15] <j_> anyone tried it?
[09:15] <intelikey> wonderboy  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:15] <kruemeltee> wonderboy, http://dcgui.berlios.de/index.php
[09:15] <itstaff> intelikey, thanks for the help
[09:15] <wonderboy> k
[09:15] <intelikey> itstaff np
[09:15] <wonderboy> and what i download from here
[09:16] <kruemeltee> its called DCGui
[09:16] <intelikey> wonderboy you use the package manager
[09:16] <wonderboy> Is my first time whan i use kuntubu
[09:16] <wonderboy> i don't know what u mean
[09:17] <kruemeltee> wonderboy ... try the following
[09:17] <intelikey> but first read the link   "URL"   "web page"     it tells you how to enable the universe repository.