[00:00] <slyboots> What the flying..
[00:01] <slyboots> For some reason, when my server reboots.. the RAID5 array I've build as /dev/md0 appears as /dev/md127 and its always stuck in a "PENDING" state, then it moves into "RESYNC"
[00:15] <qman__> yeah, I've had that before
[00:15] <qman__> it was caused by a screwed up disk and some uuid confusion
[00:21] <slyboots> Hmm..
[00:21] <slyboots> I've given them the disk by its ID though
[00:21] <slyboots> Which.. shouldnt change
[00:28] <qman__> your array is probably fine, for me it was just a matter of correcting the problems and getting it to assemble again
[00:28] <qman__> I did it by removing the troublesome disk and manually assembling, then letting it fail over to another
[00:28] <qman__> then fixing the messed up disk
[02:46] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #1095180 in etckeeper (main) "incorrect bash-completion" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1095180
[02:56] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #1095181 in etckeeper (main) "terrible breakage on git rebase" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1095181
[06:11] <neologico> hi people!
[06:12] <neologico> somebody knows about linux drivers installation?
[06:12] <neologico> helpme please
[06:17] <lifeless> ~ask | neologico
[06:17] <lifeless> !ask | neologico
[06:18] <neologico> ok understand
[06:24] <neologico> I can copy a compiled driver: wl.ko in one machine to another and install it?(wl.ko is the driver compiled for wireless card broadcom 43xx)
[06:24] <neologico> ?
[06:27] <lifeless> neologico: for the same kernel version only
[06:28] <lifeless> neologico: best to use dkms to trigger a a compile and install on the other machine a swell
[06:35] <neologico> lifeless:dkms in any application installable ?
[06:36] <lifeless> neologico: its a standard package, if thats what you mena
[06:36] <lifeless> *mean*
[06:38] <neologico> yes understand; even though my language is spanish:)
[06:41] <neologico> I can not even compile the driver after installing backtrack with updated repositories
[06:44] <neologico> well; thanks lifeless in another time i continue this, is too late here.Thanks!!
[06:47] <neologico> bye everybody happy 2013
[07:47] <inflex> hiya all, planning on using U12.04LTS server on a few HP-NAS boxes.  Out of curiosity, is there much trouble in getting it all to fit within 4GB? ( rsync, ssh, and samba are the only services being offered )
[08:55] <vezq> inflex: will fit just fine
[08:57] <inflex> tx.  Planning on using a Sandisk Cruze Fit USB 4GB as the OS/boot.
[08:57] <inflex> (Amazing how tiny those things are)
[13:16] <LuizAngioletti> Hello there! How can a machine be resolving names if it's resolv.conf is blank?
[13:17] <LuizAngioletti> I do have a dns server running, but does it affect my external name resolution?
[14:22] <RobCWDudley>  LuizAngioletti: DNS can be passed in via DHCP iirc and Network config handles DNS from outisde of resolv.conf
[15:03] <hallyn> ahs3: hey, new netcf release is out :)  prevents segfault in use by threaded app iiuc.  i assume now is still a bad time for debian upload/
[15:09] <hallyn> zul: good morning!  could I pursuade you to sync netcf from debian-experimental into raring?
[15:10] <zul> hallyn: i could be persuased
[15:23] <hallyn> zul: looking at bug 591489.  i don't get it.  vnc doesn't fwd audio, so why would this bug matter?  (hoping you understand :)
[15:23] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 591489 in libvirt "No sound in virt-manager (QEMU_AUDIO_DRV set to none by libvirtd)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/591489
[15:24] <ahs3> hallyn: hrm.  good question; i'll check on the freeze, but yeah, i suspect it may be "hurry up and wait" a bit
[15:26] <zul> hallyn: cant tell you but its in lucid have you tried something a bit newer?
[15:27] <zul> hallyn: ill put the 1.0.1 up for you somewhere this week btw (with the lxc attach stuff backported)
[15:38] <hallyn> zul: i havne't tried any, no :)
[15:40] <hallyn> zul: IIUC, they're saying they want to start a VM with virt-manager, and have the qemu guest use the host's sound card even though they're using vnc
[15:40] <hallyn> so if they were doing vnc remotely, the server would be playing sound
[15:40] <zul> right it wouldnt
[15:40] <hallyn> i see yeah that's what they want  (comment #8)
[15:41] <bieb> I installed 12.04 server before the holidays.. everything was working fine, I have a static IP and downloaded software and updates.. today I am not able to get to any sites I tried apt-get update and it fails with "unknown host", same error if I try to ping anything. I have looked at /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/original and the correct DNS servers are in there.. any ideas where to look next?
[15:42] <hallyn> zul: tempted to set it to wontfix rather than ignoring it...
[15:42] <hallyn> but i guess i won't
[15:42] <zul> i would
[15:42] <zul> but i would also get them to test something newer
[15:43] <zul> since they are like an lts behind
[15:46] <hallyn> zul: the proposed fix reuires running the vm as the logged-in user (to connect to the pulseaudio session) so i doubt i'ts "fixed"
[15:46] <hallyn> (where "fixed" == broken imo, but...)
[15:47] <hallyn> so i don't really want to ask - seems like a waste of time
[15:47] <zul> it does....besides its not a fix that we would SRU imho either
[16:34] <davmor2> hey guys on precise server I just ran sudo apt-get update and got this error any ideas? W: GPG error: http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com precise Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:36] <melmoth> davmor2, you need to import a public key.
[16:36] <melmoth> wich key.. i m not sure
[16:37] <davmor2> melmoth: it's the archive repo key and seems to be in place
[16:38] <melmoth> http://en.newinstance.it/2009/06/22/the-following-signatures-were-invalid-badsig-40976eaf437d05b5-ubuntu-archive-automatic-signing-key/
[16:40] <davmor2> melmoth: many thanks
[16:48] <sw0rdfish> whats the 6euro a month vps provider's website again?
[16:51] <RoyK> sw0rdfish: you asked yesterday, and I even did some googling for you
[16:52] <slank> I notice that the default conf for rsyslog specifies $FileGroup adm, but then $PrivDropToGroup syslog. The latter appears to negate the former - I'm seeing new files created as syslog:syslog.
[16:52] <sw0rdfish> errr
[16:52] <sw0rdfish> sorry RoyK..... plz highlight me next time, and I found what you said, thanks man
[16:53] <sw0rdfish> damn man how did you that... that is a nice search technique ;)
[16:53] <RoyK> sw0rdfish: I guess I to prefix with your nick...
[16:53]  * RoyK knows search engines :)
[16:54] <sw0rdfish> hehe
[17:02] <hallyn> zul: not sure you care to follow my process on this :)  but in case you do, i've pushed my changes to the debian qemu tree to github.com/hallyn/qemu.  i'm going to now push that (based on 1.2 from end of october, i.e. what is in ppa:serge-hallyn/crossc) to raring, then i will merge in the new 1.3.0 qemu from debian's git tree (which hasn't been tested)
[17:02] <hallyn> though i see it's in debian-experimental
[17:02] <zul> hallyn: okie dokie
[17:02] <hallyn> so, seems impossible that *something* would not go wrong with the 1.2.0 qemu push,
[17:02] <hallyn> which will remove qemu-kvm and qemu-linaro source packages
[17:03] <hallyn> oh wait.  what am i thinking
[17:03] <hallyn> clearly i won't have rights for this
[17:03] <RoyK> hallyn: famous last words...
[17:03] <hallyn> RoyK: i'm not happy about it :)  but it's gotta be done...
[17:04] <jtd> hi guys.
[17:04] <jtd> so, I have Ubuntu Quantal authing to AD for logins and it seems to be working well. I created /home/DOMAIN for domain accounts to have their home directories created, but instead of creating home directories it's just complaining they don't have one and putting them in /. How do I get it to create their homedir on login if it doesn't exist?
[17:04] <hallyn> zul: so actually i think i'll have to (a) ask someone (you?) to push the source from my ppa, and (b) ask for the new src pkg to be added to ubuntu-server group
[17:04] <zul> hallyn: most likely :)
[17:04] <zul> hallyn: or anyone else on the team
[17:06] <hallyn> zul: you'd prefer someone else?
[17:06] <zul> hallyn: nah but if you can spread the love that would be cool
[17:09] <hallyn> zul: since i expect problems with this one, i'd (sorry :) rather have you do this, and ask roaksoax to do the netcf sync
[17:11] <zul> hallyn: sure
[17:11] <hallyn> zul: thanks!  so after you push, i'll ask on #ubuntu-devel to have qemu added to server set
[17:11] <hallyn> roaksoax: ping (when you're around) :)
[17:13] <roaksoax> hallyn: here
[17:15] <hallyn> roaksoax: could you sync netcf from debian-experimental into raring?
[17:15] <roaksoax> hallyn:  sure :)
[17:17] <hallyn> roaksoax: thanks.
[17:17] <hallyn> (honestly i need to package 0.2.3 too, but i prefer to go through debian first for all netcf now)
[17:17] <hallyn> (and that potentially awaits freeze)
[17:20] <sw0rdfish> w00t! my american alienvps is doing ok for paltalk usage!
[17:20] <sw0rdfish> I'm soo happy
[17:20] <sw0rdfish> in that case I don't need a european one :D
[17:23] <roaksoax> hallyn: yeah I agree,  but if we are close to freeze and it is not in debian yet, then I would suggest to package it
[17:23] <hallyn> roaksoax: we're not close to freeze just yet right?
[17:24] <roaksoax> hallyn: nope
[17:24] <roaksoax> we still have time :)
[17:24] <hallyn> do you remember off hadn when ff is?
[17:25] <roaksoax> hallyn: March 7th is FF
[17:25] <roaksoax> hallyn: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseSchedule
[17:26] <hallyn> thx just foudn it :)
[17:26] <hallyn> ok so i'll put this down in my feb tickler file to package it for sure
[17:28] <roaksoax> hallyn: yeah, another thing you could do to help Debian, is package it yourself, ping the maintainer to try to get the new prepared in (specially of there are packaging changes)
[17:28] <hallyn> roaksoax: no no, i'm the maintainer :)
[17:28] <hallyn> roaksoax: i just want to wait until i'm sure wheezy is not in freeze
[17:28] <roaksoax> hallyn: yeah just noticed :)
[17:29] <hallyn> roaksoax: thanks again.  (going to step away now for a few mins)
[17:29] <roaksoax> hallyn: syncpackage: Request succeeded; you should get an e-mail once it is processed.
[19:09] <daguz> I'm trying to install quantal under xen(suse) . Last time I followed these directions for natty ( http://www.mmacleod.ca/blog/2011/05/ubuntu-natty-narwhal-and-xen/) and it worked fine.  Now I cannot seem to get it to go with the latest version.  After install, I get "boot loader didn't return any data"
[20:12] <Daviey> adam_g: Hey, are you able to fix up the CA report to present for grizzly aswell?
[20:14] <adam_g> Daviey: yeah, *should* be able to just add a new set of cronjobs to pull grizzly/raring instead of folsom/quantal. ill confirm in a bit and let you know what to add
[20:19] <smw_> "Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not enable again some interfaces" What should I do then?
[20:20] <RoyK> restart networking?
[20:22] <smw_> RoyK, when I rand networking restart. it gave that warning
[20:22] <smw_> so if one way is deprecated, another should be used instead, right?
[20:22] <smw_> anyways, I am running into other issues :-\
[20:23] <RoyK> did you try that command I just gave you?
[20:24] <smw_> oh, that is a command XD
[20:24] <smw_> nope
[20:24] <smw_> doesn't appear to be an upstart job
[20:24] <smw_> http://fpaste.org/M2vw/ I added eth1:1 to my /etc/network/interfaces and then did /etc/init.d/networking restart
[20:25] <RoyK> root@bcache:~# restart networking
[20:25] <RoyK> networking start/running
[20:26] <RoyK> that's on quantal, though
[20:26] <smw_> I am on precise
[20:26] <smw_> works for me too
[20:26] <RoyK> dunno - I have no VM on precise, and wouldn't like to test on a box in roduction ;)
[20:27] <RoyK> *production*
[20:27] <smw_> RoyK, this is odd
[20:27] <smw_> RoyK, http://fpaste.org/SGCd/
[20:39] <LuizAngioletti> ;quit
[20:41] <adam_g> Daviey: yeah, the currentl script in lp:ubuntu-reports should work the same way. './gather-versions.py grizzly && ./ca-versions.py -r grizzly' should dump a ca_versions_grizzly.html
[20:43] <Daviey> adam_g: Ah, i thought you might try and put it on the same output file.. but yeah, ok, that makes sense
[20:43] <Daviey> Thanks
[20:47] <adam_g> Daviey: oh, ya i could do that i suppose.
[20:47]  * hallyn looks for utlemming
[20:48] <hallyn> oh well
[20:55] <Daviey> adam_g: hmm, unless you think it is easy.. don't stress about it.. two pages is fine.
[21:12] <ribo> so, I used to be able to install 32bit packages like so: apt-get install libx11-6:i386 in server 12.04, no longer, it seems for 12.10
[21:12] <ribo> are i386 packages still avilable?
[21:13] <patdk-lap> yes
[21:14] <ribo> is package:i386 no longer the way to do it?
[21:20] <TheLordOfTime> last i checked that's still how to do it
[21:21] <TheLordOfTime> unless there's a bug in apt/apt-get which i missed during my rounds of watching the bug announce channel
[21:21] <ribo>  sudo apt-get install libx11-6:i386 .... E: Unable to locate package libx11-6
[21:24]  * TheLordOfTime pulls up a quantal VM
[21:25] <ribo> (I am using the canonical EC2 image)
[21:25] <TheLordOfTime> and which mirror is it pulling from :P
[21:26] <ribo> us-west-2
[21:26] <TheLordOfTime> bleh my VM segv'd.
[21:26] <TheLordOfTime> REINSTALLAITON TIME
[21:26] <ribo> hehe
[21:28] <ribo> might have figured it out
[21:29] <ribo> yep
[21:29] <ribo> dpkg --add-architecture i386
[21:29] <ribo> apparently that used to be default in 12.04 amd64 server
[21:29] <ribo> and it no longer is
[21:32] <ribo> woo success
[22:35] <mkander> What is the best bare-metal backup strategy for an ubuntu server?
[22:36] <patdk-lap> veeam? acronis? backupexec?
[22:40] <mkander> checking them out now
[22:40] <mkander> both acronis and backupexec seems to do what I want
[22:40] <patdk-lap> or did you mean free backup software?
[22:41] <mkander> It doesnt have to be free if it works
[22:41] <patdk-lap> I played with backupexec, but never put it into production
[22:41] <patdk-lap> I mainly use veeam and acronis
[22:41] <patdk-lap> only two free ones I know of, and I haven't digged deep into either
[22:42] <patdk-lap> bacula, and hmm, someting that starts with an a
[22:42] <mkander> Seem like you have to boot from a CD
[22:42] <patdk-lap> you always have to
[22:42] <patdk-lap> to do a baremetal restore
[22:42] <sarnold> coworkers use rsnapshot, suggested looking into e.g. horcrux for scripting around rsnapshot
[22:42] <sarnold> but that isn't a back-to-working sort of tool, more of a "keep my data backed up" sort of tool
[22:43] <patdk-lap> ya, I do multible types of backups
[22:43] <patdk-lap> including rsync, backuppc, and baremetal
[22:43] <patdk-lap> all depending on how paranoid, and whattype of recovery I want
[22:43] <mkander> I looked into clonezilla
[22:43] <mkander> that also required a boot
[22:44] <patdk-lap> also, nice, to know if some backup method fails, the others will likely still be working
[22:44] <patdk-lap> acronis installs onto ubuntu, it shouldn't need reboots at all to backup
[22:45] <mkander> Hmm interesting
[22:45] <patdk-lap> other thing you could do
[22:45] <patdk-lap> use lvm
[22:45] <patdk-lap> create snapshot
[22:45] <patdk-lap> backup snapshot
[22:45] <patdk-lap> release snapshot
[22:45] <patdk-lap> but now your basically building your own backup solution
[22:45] <patdk-lap> all depends what you want
[22:46] <mkander> I think I use lvm now.. =P I am not that pro with this
[22:46] <patdk-lap> I'm all virtualized, so I just use veeam to backup everything
[22:46] <mkander> Lvm really makes the snapshot consistent? I have a database running as well
[22:46] <adam_g> hallyn: ping
[22:46] <patdk-lap> it makes a *consistant* disk snapshot
[22:47] <mkander> okey
[22:47] <patdk-lap> flusing your applications to disk is a different story, and all backup solutions will have that issue
[22:47] <patdk-lap> that is why microsoft created the vss stuff, so databases and things just plug their own vss driver in, and when someone requests that, they all flush
[22:48] <patdk-lap> though really, I would not depend on that for a database backup
[22:48] <patdk-lap> while it is nice, I would defently also backup the db's seperately, using just a db specific thing
[22:48] <hallyn> adam_g: what's up?
[22:48] <patdk-lap> it's more likely for your db to have issues, or get corrupted from user error or something
[22:48] <patdk-lap> and easier to restore that way also
[22:48] <mkander> Ok, so the db is most prone to these kind of problems
[22:49] <patdk-lap> well, the more you use sometihng, the more prone it is to issues
[22:49] <mkander> the rest of the os would backup fine
[22:49] <sarnold> patdk-lap: too true.
[22:49] <mkander> okey
[22:49] <patdk-lap> likely, doing weekly backups baremetal, and daily backups of the db would be good
[22:50] <patdk-lap> but all depends on what it is you need, and what goals you want
[22:50] <adam_g> hallyn: slowly making my way thru comments in bug #1057024 but, testing some openstack updates in quantal-proposed and running into a permissions issue on /dev/kvm  with the qemu-kvm version thats in quantal-proposed. what is responsible for setting group ownership of /dev/kvm with the newer package?
[22:50] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 1057024 in qemu-kvm "kvm kernel module always loaded, without setting /dev/kvm permissions" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1057024
[22:50] <mkander> Goal #1: Not having to reboot the server once a week and carry a monitor into the basement :P
[22:50] <patdk-lap> like my db servers, nothing changes on them, so just doing database backups is enough, as long as I have one baremetal, or I could just easily rebuild it quickly enough
[22:51] <mkander> maybe there is a way to automate a boot-backup solution?
[22:51] <patdk-lap> mkander, likely, doing a baremetal backup once every 3 months might be enough
[22:51] <patdk-lap> and backing up /home /var/lib /etc daily
[22:52] <patdk-lap> well, if websites and mail on it, /var/www and /var/mail also maybe
[22:52] <hallyn> zul: if you're pushing a libvirt soon-ish, there's a trivial buglet in bug 1095140
[22:52] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 1095140 in libvirt "documentation flaw "libvirt", rather than "libvirtd" group" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1095140
[22:52] <mkander> Yeah agree, but I want everything automated
[22:52] <mkander> maybe I could get clonezilla to do it automated
[22:52] <patdk-lap> well, you could automate all that easily, except for the baremetal backups
[22:52] <hallyn> adam_g: /dev/kvm perms are supposed to be fixed by the end of qemu-kvm.postinst
[22:53] <hallyn> by the call to udevadm
[22:53] <hallyn> adam_g: i thought i'd verified that one already fwiw
[22:54] <adam_g> hallyn: hmm. im installing nova-compute, which pulls in qemu-kvm and i end up with root:root. ill keep poking
[22:54] <mkander> Seems like Clonezilla is an open source program that creates complete disk backups. Looks like some people have managed to automate the process as well.
[22:54] <hallyn> adam_g: hm
[22:55] <hallyn> adam_g: oh wait!  yes there is (we believe) a bug in udev
[22:55] <hallyn> lemme see where i filed it
[22:56] <hallyn> adam_g: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/1092715  lemme ping slangasek in -devel
[22:56] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 1092715 in udev "udevadm trigger --action=change not working since quantal?" [Undecided,New]
[22:57] <adam_g> hallyn:  yippie, thanks!
[22:59] <adam_g> hallyn: so is it unlikely the qemu-kvm update will be moving to -updates anytime soon?
[22:59] <hallyn> not sure
[23:00] <hallyn> in precise it should be :)
[23:00] <hallyn> maybe i should spend tomorrow looking into the udev bug
[23:01] <adam_g> hallyn: im concerned with quantal ATM. testing these nova SRUs assumes qemu-kvm works as expected. :\ i suppose i can work around the issue by manually setting permissions on /dev/kvm during deployment but i'd consider it a regression in the qemu-kvm in quantal-proposed, no?
[23:02] <hallyn> adam_g: no, bc as slangasek points out that never worked right in quantal, so it's not a regression
[23:03] <hallyn> adam_g: symptom is slightly different of course - before it would mark it the right group, but it wouldn't give group rw perms
[23:06] <hallyn> adam_g: i'm sneaking away - ttyl
[23:06] <adam_g> hallyn: well
[23:07] <adam_g> hallyn: 1.2.0+noroms-0ubuntu2 gives me correct crw-rw---- 1 root kvm 10, 232 Jan  2 17:08 /dev/kvm
[23:08] <hallyn> adam_g: getfacl /dev/kvm
[23:09] <hallyn> (gotta run, bbl)
[23:09] <adam_g> cya
[23:32] <jeeves_moss> how do I setup a proper bidirectional replication FROM a windows DNS server TO a bind server?
[23:33] <sarnold> bidirectional? I thought the whole point of dns replication was master / slave
[23:34] <jeeves_moss> sarnold, ideally, however, the BIND server will need to do updates to the Windows enviroment.
[23:35] <jeeves_moss> sarnold, Idealy, the BIND server will be the slave
[23:36] <sarnold> jeeves_moss: slave-only ought to be easy, configure the axfr access controls on your windows server to let your bind zone transfer, and set up the bind system to do zone transfers..
[23:36] <sarnold> jeeves_moss: .. but getting that bind to update the windows dns, well, that just doesn't seem 'normal' to me.
[23:38] <jeeves_moss> sarnold, right now, I need to setup the BIND server to be a slave, and pull all newly created domains, etc FROM the windows servers.  there is a technet howto posted by microsoft that's a step by step, but I can't find it


[00:00] <Ubulette> asac, ff3 beta 1 in QA friday
[16:04] <Ubulette> hi
[16:23] <asac> Ubulette: hey
[16:23] <asac> so beta is really coming out :)
[16:23] <asac> cool
[16:24] <Ubulette> yep
[16:26] <Ubulette> brb
[16:27] <Ubulette> back
[16:27] <asac> shaky connection?
[16:27] <Ubulette> no,  playing with xchat
[16:27] <asac> ah ok
[16:28] <Ubulette> libgpg-error0 Version 1.4-2ubuntu5:
[16:28] <Ubulette>   * Stop fighting with libtool, and put the .la file in /lib.
[16:28] <Ubulette> pff
[16:28] <asac> Ubulette: for the intltool fix ... can you provide a debdiff so i can sign this off?
[16:28] <asac> right
[16:28] <asac> thats what we do now :)
[16:29] <Ubulette> my patch did that in 1 step, he ignored me and needed 3 or 4 steps
[16:30] <asac> hmm ... who is he?
[16:30] <Ubulette> pitti
[16:31] <Ubulette> no offense but i don't like to be ignored. if i did something wrong, he could have told me
[16:31] <Ubulette> so i could have learned something
[16:31] <Ubulette> well, it's past now
[16:32] <asac> yeah ... sometimes people don't read bugs especially if they are under high load like pitti
[16:32] <asac> usually its good to ping him
[16:32] <asac> or anyone to ensure things get the deserved attention
[16:32] <Ubulette> he posted to that bug before and after my patches
[16:33] <Ubulette> asac, you meant intlclock ?
[16:33] <asac> right
[16:33] <Ubulette> it's not posted anywhere
[16:33] <asac> you pointed to the changes in your ppa  ... didn't know it was already fixed
[16:34] <asac> ah ... now i see that you talk about the gnutls thing
[16:34] <Ubulette> yes
[16:34] <Ubulette> fta@ix:~ $ apt-cache policy intlclock
[16:34] <Ubulette> intlclock:
[16:34] <Ubulette>   Installed: 1.0-1ubuntu1~ppa2
[16:34] <Ubulette>   Candidate: 1.0-1ubuntu1~ppa2
[16:34] <Ubulette> fta@ix:~ $ apt-cache madison intlclock
[16:34] <Ubulette> fta@ix:~ $
[16:34] <Ubulette> hmm
[16:36] <Ubulette> basically, i fetched the branch for jorge, fixed it once, he merged me, then I fixed something else, and we're there. it's only in my ppa
[16:36] <Ubulette> (for intlclock)
[16:36] <Ubulette> s/for/from/
[16:37] <asac> ok ... so its not yet in?
[16:37] <asac> i will ask him what he things if I just sponsor that thing
[16:37] <Ubulette> at least i don't see it in hardy
[16:37] <Ubulette> my last change is here: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10084303/intlclock_1.0-1ubuntu1~ppa2_source.changes
[16:38] <Ubulette> you want a debdiff compared with what ?
[16:38] <asac> is the package in debian or what?
[16:39] <Ubulette> hmm, donno. the branch is a bunch of merges https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~fta/intlclock/intlclock.trunk
[16:39] <asac> if its new then there is no debdiff required ... if its in debian it might be beneficial to provide a debdiff against the debian package
[16:40] <Ubulette> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jorge/intlclock/intlclock
[16:40] <asac> ok
[16:40] <asac> i will ask him ... you want to be Maintainer or just this upload?
[16:40] <Ubulette> hold on, i remember he blogged about that
[16:41] <asac> cool hilario is back \o/
[16:41] <asac> i have bumail from today ;)
[16:41] <Ubulette> http://stompbox.typepad.com/blog/2007/10/jorge-castro-in.html
[16:42] <Ubulette> Today I realized "Oh, I better set up that ppa so we can have binaries for people" Three more people had registered bzr branches on launchpad. I was able to inspect their branches, which were packaging fixes mostly, and merge them right into my branch. Then I pushed it back out, and now ppa is building the binaries.
[16:42] <Ubulette> I have no idea who those three people are, I had never met them in my life. Yet while Flav, Ken and I were busy doing other stuff, people stumbled across this on launchpad and just fixed stuff up.
[16:42] <Ubulette> so I'm one of the three :)
[16:43] <asac> yeah ... :) ... yesterday he told me that he felt bad about not having enough time to do packaging ... he wants to become a MOTU :) ... for 3 years now ;)
[16:45] <asac> Ubulette: he is coming in here :)
[16:47] <jcastro> Ubulette: hi, you had some questions about intlclock?
[16:47] <Ubulette> hi
[16:47] <Ubulette> just wanted to know if you're still maintaining it ?
[16:48] <jcastro> well, all the new sexy stuff depends on policykit, which we don't have in ubuntu yet (afaik)
[16:48] <jcastro> so we basically have the last version before they moved on to the new stuff
[16:48] <jcastro> but I've spoken with the maintainer of intlclock, and it will be going upstream in gnome for 2.22
[16:49] <Ubulette> ok, i see. I've fixed small packaging thing a couple of weeks ago in my branch
[16:49] <Ubulette> what should I do with it ?
[16:50] <Ubulette> * Use /usr/lib/intlclock instead of /usr/libexec (not allowed by Debian policy)
[16:50] <jcastro> I could do a merge if you want
[16:50] <jcastro> can you send me a mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>I am currently in the middle of a meeting
[16:51] <Ubulette> as you want. I/we wanted to have intlclock in hardy but if it's merged in gnome, there's no point, right ?
[16:51] <Ubulette> oh, ok. We can continue later if you're busy. np
[16:54] <jcastro> right
[16:55] <jcastro> it'll come upstream
[16:55] <Ubulette> ok, thanks then :)
[16:55] <Ubulette> asac, i'm done with seamonkey 1.1.6.
[16:56] <Ubulette> well, i did it all yesterday
[16:57] <Ubulette> except reverting the default homepage, i don't see what's stopping the release
[16:57] <asac> does the default homepage have th right seamonkey icon?
[16:57] <Ubulette> yes
[16:57] <asac> good ... you have the branch and the orig.tar.gz?
[16:58] <asac> i would upload without doing a testbuild because I have no hardy ;)
[16:58] <asac> will take a quick look at transition packages and if they look properly
[16:58] <asac> but please follow up on bugs you get from this upload.
[16:59] <asac>  :)
[16:59] <Ubulette> you're sponsoring me or you takeover ownership like before ?
[17:01] <asac> no i sponsor you of course
[17:01] <asac> you can also ask bluekuja to sponsor it
[17:02] <bluekuja> yep
[17:02] <bluekuja> feel free to ask if needed :)
[17:03] <bluekuja> Ubulette, is it a new upstream release?
[17:03] <Ubulette> what should I do ?
[17:03] <Ubulette> yes
[17:03] <Ubulette> it will replace iceape
[17:03] <bluekuja> replace iceape?
[17:03] <Ubulette> yes
[17:03] <asac> maybe add a comment from me to the changelog:
[17:04] <Ubulette> such as ?
[17:04] <Ubulette> my last changelog is already 100+ line long :P
[17:04] <Ubulette> lines
[17:05] <asac> Ubulette: ok ... don't add  a line
[17:05] <asac> the archive admins will probably ask me anyway before letting it in
[17:05] <asac> i can then explain to them directly why we don't follow debian anymore
[17:06] <bluekuja> and what about iceape?
[17:06] <asac> dies in our archive
[17:06] <asac> its replaced by seamonkey
[17:06] <Ubulette> I can add a line for posterity that it has been discussed and it's not my choice alone in my corner
[17:06] <bluekuja> so iceape package binaries
[17:06] <bluekuja> will be replaced
[17:06] <Ubulette> yes
[17:06] <bluekuja> by seamonkey ones?
[17:06] <Ubulette> yes
[17:06] <bluekuja> mmm...
[17:06] <Ubulette> what ?
[17:07] <bluekuja> asac: is it something that can be done?
[17:07] <Ubulette> it's similar to firefox, we keep the name from upstream
[17:07] <bluekuja> ah ok, fine
[17:07] <bluekuja> anyway as asac said archive-admins
[17:07] <bluekuja> will have to approve it
[17:07] <bluekuja> asac: will it be marked as NEW?
[17:08] <bluekuja> for the archive?
[17:08] <asac> yes
[17:08] <asac> bluekuja: just upload ... archive admins will come to me once they see it
[17:08] <Ubulette> so, what do I have to do ? update changelogs ?
[17:08] <Ubulette> seamonkey (1.1.6-0ubuntu1) UNRELEASED; urgency=low
[17:09] <asac> Ubulette: just target for hardy/ubuntu upload :)
[17:09] <asac> e.g. dch -r -D hardy
[17:09] <asac> save
[17:09] <asac> bzr commit
[17:10] <asac> then tell bluekuja where the branch is and how to produce the orig with mozclient
[17:10] <Ubulette> it's not mozclient, it's upstream tarball just renamed
[17:10] <asac> but please remove the binonly things
[17:10] <asac> and add that to version
[17:10] <asac> e.g.
[17:10] <Ubulette> oh, forgot that, i'll do it
[17:10] <asac> 1.1.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu1
[17:10] <asac> good
[17:10] <Ubulette> (ugly name btw)
[17:11] <Ubulette> can't we find something shorter ?
[17:11] <asac> well ... archive admins already know what that means
[17:11] <asac> so lets keep it that way :)
[17:11] <Ubulette> k
[17:24] <Ubulette> seamonkey (1.1.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu1) hardy; urgency=low
[17:24] <Ubulette> ok ?
[17:25] <asac> yes ... looks good for me ... please include the cleanup script in debian/ directory
[17:25] <asac> then it should be fine from this pov
[17:26] <Ubulette> pushed
[17:26] <Ubulette> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/seamonkey/seamonkey-1.1.dev
[17:27] <Ubulette> #113
[17:27] <asac> bluekuja: can you take a look ... check for lintian cleanness all this kind of stuff?
[17:27] <asac> Ubulette: did you reuse the iceape copyright?
[17:27] <bluekuja> asac: yes
[17:27] <asac> (should be fine then)
[17:27] <Ubulette> yes.
[17:28] <Ubulette> i have to redo it for sm2 but here, it should be fine
[17:28] <asac> bluekuja: if its fine from your side feel free to send up
[17:28] <bluekuja> ok, gonna check it a bit
[17:28] <bluekuja> and report here if I see something wrong
[17:28] <Ubulette> test it please
[17:28] <asac> bluekuja: maybe check if the transitional packages are fine
[17:28] <bluekuja> yep
[17:28] <asac> iceape -> seamonkey  ... et al
[17:29] <bluekuja> is https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/seamonkey/seamonkey-1.1.dev right?
[17:29] <Ubulette> asac, yep, i did that one late last night, worth a test
[17:29] <Ubulette> bluekuja, yes
[17:29] <Ubulette> rev113
[17:30] <Ubulette> (i see 112 on lp)
[17:30] <bluekuja> yes
[17:30] <Ubulette> damn
[17:30] <Ubulette> hold on, i check
[17:31] <Ubulette> ok
[17:32] <Ubulette> bluekuja, you need the tarball too
[17:33] <bluekuja> where can I get it?
[17:33] <Ubulette> i'm pushing it to my usual place, a few sec...
[17:34] <bluekuja> k
[17:34] <bluekuja> I hope it's not 200 mb
[17:34] <bluekuja> or something like that
[17:34] <bluekuja> ;)
[17:34] <Ubulette> s/sec/min/
[17:34] <Ubulette> 40M
[17:34] <bluekuja> omg
[17:35] <Ubulette> like most of moz stuff
[17:35] <bluekuja> yep
[17:35] <bluekuja> ^^
[17:36] <bluekuja> crazy changelog
[17:36] <Ubulette> :)
[17:37] <Ubulette> you can read commit logs, it's the same in 20 commits
[17:38] <bluekuja> yep
[17:39] <Ubulette> 1min left
[17:41] <bluekuja> Ubulette, menu entries
[17:41] <bluekuja> are out-dated
[17:41] <bluekuja> and not freedesktop compliant
[17:41] <bluekuja> that's a minor
[17:41] <bluekuja> but need to be fixes somewhen
[17:41] <bluekuja> *fixed
[17:41] <Ubulette> it's the same as debian
[17:41] <Ubulette> s/iceape/seamonkey/
[17:41] <bluekuja> yeah, need to be fixed then
[17:41] <bluekuja> :)
[17:41] <Ubulette> where are the rules described ?
[17:41] <bluekuja> you can do it on the next revision
[17:41] <bluekuja> just desktop-file-validate
[17:41] <bluekuja> on them
[17:41] <bluekuja> anyway just update your branch
[17:41] <bluekuja> and will fix them later
[17:42] <Ubulette> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tarballs/seamonkey_1.1.6+nobinonly.orig.tar.gz
[17:42] <bluekuja> Ubulette, why there is no VCS field?
[17:42] <Ubulette> what for ? remember it's no longer tied to debian
[17:42] <bluekuja> yes, but it's tracked on launchpad
[17:42] <bluekuja> and you current use a branch to update it
[17:43] <Ubulette> yes, i did the page on lp
[17:43] <bluekuja> (if i'm right)
[17:43] <bluekuja> yes, that's why vcs field exists for
[17:43] <Ubulette> hmm, i'm not familiar with that. pointers ?
[17:44] <bluekuja> it's a field
[17:44] <bluekuja> in debian/control
[17:44] <bluekuja> to track changes made in a vcs
[17:44] <bluekuja> like bzr
[17:44] <bluekuja> svn
[17:44] <bluekuja> or whatever
[17:51] <bluekuja> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1743/
[17:51] <bluekuja> check that pastebin
[17:51] <Ubulette_> it was all good before the nobin, let me diagnose it :)
[17:51] <bluekuja> oki
[17:53] <Ubulette_> hmm, it's on your side
[17:53] <Ubulette_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1744/
[17:55] <Ubulette_> it's building fine
[17:55] <bluekuja> I've branched it out
[17:55] <bluekuja> downloaded your file
[17:55] <bluekuja> and built
[17:56] <Ubulette_> you sure you merged at the right place ?
[17:56] <bluekuja> what do you mean at right place=
[17:56] <bluekuja> ?
[17:56] <Ubulette_> the debian dir. you're failing on the 1st patch with missing file, looks the sources dir is not at the right place
[17:57] <asac>  lunch
[17:57] <bluekuja> let me see
[17:57] <bluekuja> I've hacked something now
[17:57] <Ubulette_> argh
[17:57] <Ubulette_> you should not, it builds fine
[17:59] <bluekuja> (on bzr side)
[17:59] <bluekuja> ;)
[17:59] <bluekuja> works
[17:59] <bluekuja> patching file mailnews/mailnews.js
[17:59] <bluekuja> patching file modules/libpref/src/init/all.js
[17:59] <bluekuja> Hunk #3 succeeded at 1842 (offset 1 line).
[17:59] <bluekuja> Hunk #4 succeeded at 1930 (offset 1 line).
[17:59] <bluekuja> is this normal?
[18:00] <bluekuja> yes, seems o
[18:00] <bluekuja> *so
[18:00] <Ubulette_> yes, i don't refresh the patches at each new tarball just for an offset. I refresh/redo when it fails
[18:01] <Ubulette_> my default context is big enough to avoid troubles
[18:01] <bluekuja> build duration?
[18:01] <Ubulette_> 1h
[18:01] <Ubulette_> on ppa
[18:01] <bluekuja> 1 hour?
[18:01] <bluekuja> omg
[18:01] <Ubulette_> depends on your cpu too
[18:01] <bluekuja> I'll have to build it
[18:01] <bluekuja> on hardy
[18:01] <bluekuja> as well
[18:01] <bluekuja> -.-
[18:01] <Ubulette_> just hardy
[18:01] <Ubulette_> we don't push on gutsy
[18:01] <bluekuja> yep, I know
[18:02] <Ubulette_> but it builds on gutsy too, i tested it
[18:03] <bluekuja> I update my tarball
[18:03] <Ubulette> ehhh
[18:03] <bluekuja> and I send it to build on hardy
[18:03] <Ubulette> why ?
[18:04] <bluekuja> pbuilder tarball
[18:05] <Ubulette> ?
[18:05] <Ubulette> i don't understand why my tarball is not good
[18:05] <bluekuja> not your tarball
[18:05] <bluekuja> but my chroot
[18:05] <bluekuja> one
[18:06] <bluekuja> ;)
[18:06] <Ubulette> ohh
[18:06] <Ubulette> :)
[18:06] <bluekuja> :)
[18:06] <Ubulette> please test before you push to hardy
[18:07] <Ubulette> maybe i missed something
[18:07] <bluekuja> I will
[18:07] <bluekuja> not sure if I can make it for today
[18:07] <bluekuja> :/
[18:07] <bluekuja> sport in one hour
[18:07] <Ubulette> ok
[18:08] <bluekuja> and then I'll be back at 22
[18:08] <bluekuja> need to eat
[18:08] <bluekuja> shower
[18:08] <bluekuja> and finally sleep
[18:08] <bluekuja> :)
[18:11] <Ubulette> i need sleep too. 7h in two nights is not enough
[18:11] <bluekuja> aww
[18:11] <bluekuja> 7h only?
[18:12] <bluekuja> why?
[18:13] <bluekuja> build started
[18:14] <Ubulette> i usually got to bed very late but those days i had to get up early
[18:15] <Ubulette> -got+go
[18:15] <bluekuja> oh :)
[18:15] <bluekuja> I go to eat
[18:15] <bluekuja> and then I'm off
[18:15] <bluekuja> cyaz
[18:15] <bluekuja> (leaving it building)
[18:33] <Ubulette> asac, gasp. ftbfs because of nobin
[18:43] <Ubulette> asac, error: file '../../suite/branding/content/logo.gif' doesn't exist at ../../config/make-jars.pl line 443.
[18:44] <Ubulette> we should not remove the branding
[18:47] <Ubulette> damn, i've used remove.nonfree instead of remove.binonly
[19:04] <asac> yeah ... use remove.binonly.sh
[19:12] <Ubulette> asac, no kidding
[19:13] <Ubulette> ix:~/bzr/seamonkey-1.1.dev$ debian/rules nobinonly
[19:13] <Ubulette> Cleaning seamonkey_1.1.6.orig.tar.gz using remove.binonly.sh ...
[19:13] <Ubulette> -rw-r--r-- 1 fta fta 45590461 Oct 31 06:29 ../tarballs/seamonkey_1.1.6.orig.tar.gz
[19:13] <Ubulette> -rw-r--r-- 1 fta fta 45580702 Nov  6 20:13 ../tarballs/seamonkey_1.1.6+nobinonly.orig.tar.gz
[19:14] <asac> well ... at leastits10 k :)
[19:15] <asac> Ubulette: so everything fine?
[19:15] <Ubulette> i've added a rule so it's easier next time
[19:15] <asac> great
[19:19] <Ubulette> what's with the desktop icons already?
[19:22] <Ubulette> $ desktop-file-validate chatzilla.desktop
[19:22] <Ubulette> chatzilla.desktop: warning: key "Encoding" in group "Desktop Entry" is deprecated
[19:22] <Ubulette> chatzilla.desktop: error: value "GTK;Network;IRCClient" for string list key "Categories" in group "Desktop Entry" does not have a semicolon (';') as trailing character
[19:23] <asac> no idea ... aren't there any desktop items  in the package? ... maybe we should not provide all those menu entries, but just one for the suite which starts whatever the user has selected as default in preference?
[19:23] <Ubulette> indeed, that's too much
[19:24] <Ubulette> just one called seamonkey ?
[19:24] <asac> cool ... then just drop all desktop entry and just one seamonkey one with _just_ the seamonkey logo
[19:24] <asac> we can keep th others as disabled ... but then they can use the same icon and just have a different name imo
[19:26] <Ubulette> you mean, not the square half blue, half orange with a wheel ?
[19:26] <Ubulette> but the new sm branding i've used in LP
[19:27] <asac> right
[19:28] <Ubulette> how do I disable a desktop file ?
[19:32] <Ubulette> NoDisplay=true maybe
[19:32] <asac> yeah ... i think so
[19:32] <asac> you can test if right clicking on Applications and selecting |Edit Menu| allows you to enable those entries afterwards easily
[19:47] <saivann> asac : A workaround has been found for the high priority bug #53387 in WPAsupplicant, if you want to take a look, it's in the end of the bug description
[19:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 53387 in wpasupplicant "Manual WPA networks doesn't connect at boot" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53387
[20:21] <Ubulette> asac, i also have kaze for hardy
[20:22] <Ubulette> kazehakase | 0.5.0-0ubuntu1~mt1~fta1 | http://ppa.launchpad.net hardy/main Packages
[20:22] <Ubulette> kazehakase | 0.4.3-1ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy/universe Packages
[20:24] <Ubulette> bug 144255
[20:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144255 in kazehakase "Please upgrade kazehakase to 0.4.8" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144255
[21:05] <Ubulette> asac, i've had another look at songbird, checking the progress since this summer
[21:05] <Ubulette> there's still shipping their own patched xul
[21:47] <asac> Ubulette: is kaze using xul 1.9?
[21:47] <Ubulette> no, I already answered that. 1.8
[21:48] <bluekuja> Ubulette, build failed
[21:48] <bluekuja> make[4]: *** [libs] Error 2
[21:48] <bluekuja> make[4]: Leaving directory `/home/seamonkey-1.1.dev/mozilla/xpfe/global'
[21:48] <bluekuja> make[3]: *** [libs] Error 2
[21:48] <bluekuja> make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/seamonkey-1.1.dev/mozilla/xpfe'
[21:48] <bluekuja> make[2]: *** [tier_50] Error 2
[21:48] <bluekuja> make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/seamonkey-1.1.dev/mozilla'
[21:48] <bluekuja> make[1]: *** [default] Error 2
[21:48] <bluekuja> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/seamonkey-1.1.dev/mozilla'
[21:48] <bluekuja> make: *** [debian/stamp-makefile-build] Error 2
[21:48] <bluekuja> (on hardy)
[21:49] <bluekuja> error: file '../../suite/branding/content/logo.gif' doesn't exist at ../../config/make-jars.pl line 443.
[21:49] <Ubulette> bluekuja, i know. nobin effect
[21:49] <Ubulette> read above
[21:49] <Ubulette> i've fixed it, and much more
[21:49] <bluekuja> ah k
[21:49] <bluekuja> sorry just went home
[21:50] <bluekuja> so need to read backlog
[21:50] <Ubulette> please trash everything (branch included) and retry
[21:50] <bluekuja> tomorrow I will
[21:50] <bluekuja> need sleep now
[21:50] <Ubulette> ok, np
[21:52] <Ubulette> btw, i've pushed it to my ppa as it's difficult to test the replace of that many packages with dpkg
[21:53] <Ubulette> bluekuja, tomorrow, re-dl the tarball from my site too
[21:53] <Ubulette> same url
[21:53] <bluekuja> I'll ping you
[21:53] <bluekuja> when I'll get hom
[21:53] <bluekuja> *home
[21:53] <Ubulette> k
[21:53] <bluekuja> so you can re-give me details
[21:54] <Ubulette> sure
[21:54] <bluekuja> asac: what happened to ries?
[21:55] <asac> ries?
[21:56] <bluekuja> ries.debian.org
[21:56] <bluekuja> aka ftp-master
[21:56] <bluekuja> seems to be fuck** up
[21:56] <asac> oh ... yeah i think there is some issue :) ... but i don't know more
[21:56] <bluekuja> aww
[21:56] <bluekuja> no uploads then
[21:56] <bluekuja> :/
[21:59] <bluekuja> ok, going to sleep
[21:59] <bluekuja> gnight everyone
[22:57] <asac> time is running low here ... 30minutes left ... then probably gone for the eveing  ... dinner + while [ not yet drunk] ; do drink; done
[22:58] <Ubulette> lol
[22:59] <asac> 2 weeks of alcoholism might end in the sanatorium i guess :)
[22:59] <Ubulette> head 1st
[23:05] <Ubulette> ok, i'd done for today. night all
[23:10] <asac> Ubulette: sleep well
[23:10] <asac> bye
[23:28] <asac_> ok off


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[04:56] <avalmez> hello
[04:56] <avalmez> newbie...help?
[20:42] <dylan-m> Hey, quick question on Unity's global menu stuff :)
[20:42] <fagan> dylan-m: hey
[20:42] <fagan> (try not to ask to ask a question its not good IRC form )
[20:43] <fagan> ask away
[20:44] <dylan-m> According to Unity's design, when a window is unmaximized, is the application menu _meant_ to stay in the top panel or should it follow the title bar and be drawn in the window client again?
[20:44] <fagan> The menu should always be on the top
[20:45] <vish> heh , weird that synaptic chooses not to use the app menu ;)
[20:46] <fagan> vish: whys that?
[20:46] <vish> fagan: i guess no one looked into it :)
[20:46] <dylan-m> That would probably be because Synaptic is running as root, so it won't be connected to your session's dbus bus
[20:46] <vish> or that^
[20:46] <fagan> yeah thats right
[20:47] <dylan-m> Which is why aptdaemon is a wonderful, excellent thing
[20:47] <fagan> doesnt mean much to the regular user so its ok to get it next release
[20:48] <Omega> Have you guys looked into tiling window managers?
[20:48] <dylan-m> fagan: Thanks for the answer! It does feel a bit funny to me, but if it's designed for I'm happy!
[20:48] <dylan-m> (I would probably like it better if I stopped being stubborn and turned off “focus follows mouse”)
[20:49] <fagan> Omega: tiling window managers were a bad bad fad from the 90s that never took off
[20:49] <Omega> I believe that tiling is very powerfull, but they are not there yet.
[20:49] <Omega> fagan: Why do you think it is bad?
[20:49] <fagan> it is
[20:50] <fagan> its good if you have a huge screen
[20:50] <fagan> but 99% of people dont
[20:50] <Omega> But, there are also hybrid approaches
[20:50] <Omega> like bluetile
[20:50] <fagan> maybe so but you could just not have your windows maximized in a normal window manager
[20:51] <fagan> tiling is kinda redundant as a practice
[20:52] <fagan> since you can do it anyway with regular window managers
[20:52] <fagan> maybe not in the same way but the result is the same
[20:53] <Omega> It takes more effort to split the screen on a what you call normal window manager.
[20:53] <fagan> not really
[20:53] <fagan> just drag the windows to where you want
[20:53] <Omega> So it's half-off screen?
[20:54] <fagan> not really
[20:54] <Omega> Okay, how do you split the screen so two applications share it?
[20:54] <Omega> What are the steps.
[20:54] <fagan> you resize the two windows so they both fit
[20:55] <Omega> one by one
[20:55] <Omega> and then move them
[20:55] <fagan> yep
[20:55] <Omega> resize again
[20:55] <Omega> With a tiling window manager, you just resize (one) and the other also resizes
[20:56] <fagan> the current model is the most flexible and is the most widely used way of doing things
[20:56] <Omega> I don't see how it is more flexible, with bluetile you can also stack windows.
[20:56] <fagan> the only other one we may look at is how mac does it where the windows size to their natural sizes
[20:56] <Omega> Even Windows has some sort of tiling in it's latest operating system.
[20:57] <Omega> s/Windows/Microsoft
[20:57] <fagan> they have each application like we have its just the list is stacked to save space
[20:57] <Omega> No, I mean when you drag an application to the edge of the screen it 'snaps'
[20:58] <Omega> It's just that with stacking window managers you spend a lot of time arranging windows.
[20:58] <fagan> well we have it so it sizes the window to the last size it was before it was before it was maximized
[20:59] <Omega> I'm not talking about minimizing and maximizing.
[20:59] <fagan> I think compiz has that somewhere too
[21:00] <fagan> I dont think its the default behavior but its there
[21:00] <Omega> Oh.
[21:01] <fagan> But we are moving to Gnome Shell soon ish (within two cycles maybe) and that kinda likes the behavior that every program is maxed
[21:01] <dylan-m> I wouldn't really call Win7's approach "tiling," because the snapped windows don't influence the others in any way.
[21:01] <dylan-m> It does demonstrate that there's a lot of cool stuff one can add to conventional stacking window managers without completely changing them. Lots of room for adventurous souls to experiment with stuff that makes sorting windows a bit easier. (A spring simulation for pushing windows against each other springs to mind).
[21:02] <Omega> Yeah, a hybrid approach would work, I believe.
[21:08] <fagan> Man I love two finger scrolling
[21:09] <Omega> I can't get it to work ):
[21:09] <Omega> Also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccniJHjo_Uw
[21:09] <fagan> lol I just found a really nice crash in nautilus
[21:10] <fagan> damn doesnt trigger apport
[21:10] <fagan> :/
[21:11] <fagan> hmmm someone scroll really fast over the listbox that says icon view in nautilus for a sec
[21:11] <fagan> go up and down over and over again
[21:11] <fagan> and it should crash
[21:11] <Omega> Watch the video please.
[21:11] <dylan-m> I think you blew up thorwil's computer :P
[21:11] <fagan> nice
[21:15] <Omega> That's just one experiment, there are loads of other ways we can make it better.
[21:16] <dylan-m> fagan: Okay, I reproduced your crash! :)
[21:16] <fagan> nice
[21:16] <fagan> im such an awesome tester
[21:16] <fagan> im going to make a bug
[21:16] <fagan> :D
[21:18] <dylan-m> It was a bit tricky, though… Wasn't cooperating when I was going _really_ quickly, then it crashed when I did it a bit slower (so that it showed each state instead of just jumping straight between Icon View and List View)
[21:18] <fagan> I got it when I scrolled over it once
[21:19] <Omega> Scrolling?
[21:19] <fagan> ah its already a bug
[21:19] <fagan> :/
[21:22] <Omega> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE_Qb7arW3s
[21:26] <Omega> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb8arxn5C-0&feature=channel Is also interesting.
[21:28] <Omega> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccniJHjo_Uw
[21:29] <Omega> Eh, I already pasted that.
[21:29] <Omega> Paste-o.


 @Soscat House [I folks, can webapps created from webber store login credentials?  I setup a loc …], yes you can but you may have to set a few parameters, such as additonal urls
 webapps are typically restricted to a single domain
 @Garrett M [Hi I have a One plus 6T that I am running Lineage OS on and would like to try Ub …], where have you checked?
[00:37] <ubptgbot> <Garrett M> @Fuseteam [where have you checked?], https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/enchilada-fajita/
 looks like it's not ready to be installed yet
[00:40] <ubptgbot> <Garrett M> @Fuseteam [looks like it's not ready to be installed yet], I am fine with more complex methods of install, I did successfully install lineage OS this morning and they don't even have such an install tool, so I am looking for image files that I can load in using fastboot and adb type processes
 uh let's just say ubuntu touch is a tad more complicated than lineage
[01:20] <ubptgbot> <Garrett M> Thats fine
 alright the way it works can be seen in this repo, but note that some file names are device specific:
 uh i can't find right now i'll post it when i found it
 aha! https://github.com/wdbm/TFLOSSH/blob/master/turbo.md#download-ubports-ubuntu-touch-1604
[01:36] <ubptgbot> <Garrett M> Thanks I am reviewing it now, I will of course get very familiar with the available data and make a deployment plan.
 a deployment plan? oh my
 @Flohack we're having trouble flashing android 7.1.2 on the nexus 6p in the welcome room
 (Photo, 786x1037) https://irc.ubports.com/FNPlLvN1.png
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[05:44] <ubptgbot> OppOsitMike was added by: OppOsitMike
 @Fuseteam [@Flohack we're having trouble flashing android 7.1.2 on the nexus 6p in the welc …], That was at 3.40 my time ;)
[07:10] <ubptgbot> Juanjo del Campo was added by: Juanjo del Campo
[07:27] <ubptgbot> Drymarchon was added by: Drymarchon
[08:38] <ubptgbot> Daimen1888 was added by: Daimen1888
[08:45] <ubptgbot> Vignesh Subramanian was added by: Vignesh Subramanian
 On a Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 I have no mobile data. Everything else works. Is this a known issue or something I can fix?
 @Fuseteam [@Flohack we're having trouble flashing android 7.1.2 on the nexus 6p in the welc …], perhaps the partition table was modified in an upgrade to make more space for /system
 @Garrett M [Hi I have a One plus 6T that I am running Lineage OS on and would like to try Ub …], see https://gitlab.com/ubports/community-ports/android9/oneplus-6/oneplus-enchilada-fajita/-/jobs/982357236/artifacts/browse
 @Drymarchon [On a Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 I have no mobile data. Everything else works. Is this a …], did you check if APN settings are set correctly? otherwise it may be known issue
 @NotKit [did you check if APN settings are set correctly? otherwise it may be known issue], No, I'm not sure what they should be set to but I will find out in the morning and try that. Thank you.
[09:57] <ubptgbot> yuvch122 was added by: yuvch122
[10:04] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> @Drymarchon [On a Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 I have no mobile data. Everything else works. Is this a …], Had the same issue did you use orange fox 🦊
 @By brian All rights reserved [Had the same issue did you use orange fox 🦊], how can you use orange fox if ubuntu touch has its own recovery?
 @By brian All rights reserved [Had the same issue did you use orange fox 🦊], [Edit] how can you use orange fox when ubuntu touch has its own recovery?
[10:12] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> @Drymarchon [On a Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 I have no mobile data. Everything else works. Is this a …], Fast boot twrp
[10:12] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> The flash orange fox r11
[10:13] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Get halium boot lineage 16 and ubports image
[10:14] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> And flash through orange fox when I did it through installer mobile data didn’t work amd browser was different older version I think 🤔
[10:15] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Follow this
[10:15] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> https://youtu.be/eGjplOtzSFI
[10:16] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Mobile data now works only problem I’m having is Bluetooth in car connects but does not work
 the GSI is old and unsupported though
 if someone can figure out what is broken in Installer port that would be great
 @By brian All rights reserved [Mobile data now works only problem I’m having is Bluetooth in car connects but d …], Car kits are a problem across all devices. Its not a matter of the device, but our support of "standard" car kits that might do things sometimes a bit differently. It really depends on the car, unfortunately
[10:19] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> It maybe so but mobile … Data wouldn’t work for me but does now I think these guys are snowed under had same issue with pixel 3a they are aware of it but like I said their only so much they can fix everyone should donate some money get more programmers on it cuz this has massive potential get away from apple amd googl
[10:19] <ubptgbot> e
[10:19] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> @Flohack [Car kits are a problem across all devices. Its not a matter of the device, but o …], Yeah I thought that not a problem everything … Else is good 😌
 hi, im trying to access /usr/share/unity8/ to paste a file in it (in order to install the vollanotchfix) … `phablet@ubuntu-phablet:/$ sudo cp /home/phablet/Downloads/Shell.qml /usr/share/unity8/ … [sudo] password for phablet:  … cp: cannot create regular file '/usr/share/unity8/Shell.qml': Read-only file system … `is there any other way t
[11:37] <ubptgbot> o do it?
 @Schmuel [hi, im trying to access /usr/share/unity8/ to paste a file in it (in order to in …], sudo mount -o remount,rw /
 Someone wrote a script that does it all automatically: https://github.com/JamiKettunen/unity8-notch-hax
 Thanks man works perfectly!!!
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/bfF6hQda.webp
 @Flohack [That was at 3.40 my time ;)], i wasn't in a rush xD
 @joeth [perhaps the partition table was modified in an upgrade to make more space for /s …], not sure what it was, but tis now resolved
 @Fuseteam [not sure what it was, but tis now resolved], Cool!
 they ultimately sideloaded the ota zip via twrp
[12:52] <ubptgbot> Migelangelus was added by: Migelangelus
 sorry, good morning everyone.  I would like to ask just one question: no possibility to install Ubuntu-Touch in a samsung Note2?
 @FRASZ [sorry, good morning everyone.  I would like to ask just one question: no possibi …], hi, there is a possibility: porting. with this method can take a few months work to get the device supported
 👌
 it does require the device, so you'd be the best candidate to do the work ;)
 😳
 yes, we need you :)
 [Edit] yes, you, we need you :)
 I ready .. try it
 No success
 did you follow the porting guide?
 Yap
 as said it'll take a couple of months worth of work, so it won't be easy. did you see the links to the groups where they can help you debug your issues?
 Ready try to install UBport in Note 2,but the phone made autorestart when start install. Img
 Ok I will try...tomorrow... now here in Shenzhen is night time...👍
 yes that's one hurdle you face when porting, pretty sure the way around it should be documented something
 alright good night 👍
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/ujPsVPQm.mp4
[14:33] <ubptgbot> pv_bl was added by: pv_bl
 Hello all. Out of curiosity, has anyone else encountered a problem where Bluetooth does not want to turn off on a Nexus 5 device?
 I toggle it off in the menu, and it comes back on after a while.
 what channel are you on? and what version are you running?
 stable/rc/dev?
[15:48] <ubptgbot> Sanath was added by: Sanath
 Sorry, just woke up. I'll try reflashing on the Xiaomi note 7 tonight and not using the ubports installer. … I ordered a oneplus 6T last night to play with as well. I'm new here but this awesome. I will keep donating. Love the project.
 @Yo5eff you can ask your questions in here
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[17:21] <ubptgbot> Klaus765 was added by: Klaus765
 @Shakendo [@Yo5eff you can ask your questions in here], Thanks 🙂
 Well, i installed UT on a Samsung Note 4 910F. … At certain point phone freezed while i was doing the swipe gestures that initially shows "How to" (opened camera and it caused to freeze) and i had to unplug phone, remove battery to boot it. … I am now unsure if installation were complete , so i would like to repeat it. … Phone doesnt seem
[18:14] <ubptgbot> to connect with computer (even with developer mode on), but if i boot in recovery mode, ubports installer recognizes the phone correctly. … My question is: Is it safe to try to reinstall from there? Or is there a better way to do it?
 Are tactile buttons suppose to do anything on Note 4? Mine do nothing - not even light on
 Phone screen won't turn off unless i press power button
 @Yo5eff [Are tactile buttons suppose to do anything on Note 4? Mine do nothing - not even …], Android buttons are not used by UT
 SD card doesnt seem to be recognized unless i insert it after phone is on.
 I'm sharing my experience with it, but i would like to be sure if my issues are not from a bad installation 😉
 I also have the problem with Wifi connection not being "remembered" and the camera that shuts down equipment , and is needed to remove battery to reboot it (But that's already documented)
 Please do not take any of my comments as criticism. I'm just sharing my experience and bugs discovered in order to contribute to a better development in the future. I fully understand that this is Open Source , and i'm extremely grateful that you are putting your time and effort into this great project 😊
[18:44] <ubptgbot> t_hoff was added by: t_hoff
[18:48] <ubptgbot> Jose Canseco was added by: Jose Canseco
[18:49] <ubptgbot> <Jose Canseco> Hello, I was about to order a nexus 5x from ebay to test out ubuntu touch but I am not sure if it the X variant is just as compatible as the Nexus 5
 No, the 5X is not compatible.
[18:50] <ubptgbot> <Jose Canseco> ok thank you so much. just saved me hundred or so bucks
[18:51] <ubptgbot> salclem2 was added by: salclem2
[18:55] <ubptgbot> <Jose Canseco> If my budget is between 150 to 300, do you guys recommend anything better than the nexus 4?
[18:55] <ubptgbot> <Jose Canseco> Im sorry, nexus 5*
 @Jose Canseco [If my budget is between 150 to 300, do you guys recommend anything better than t …], Redmi Note 7
 if those are USD there are a lot of things "better"
[18:56] <ubptgbot> <Jose Canseco> USD
[18:56] <ubptgbot> <Jose Canseco> so I want to get something that is actually working tho. that really is my only requirement
 assuming you're in the US anyway. and whether you want a device to test and play with UT, or something to use as a daily driver
[18:57] <ubptgbot> <Jose Canseco> probably play around at first and then switch to daily driver
 sony xperia x (suzu)
[18:57] <ubptgbot> <Jose Canseco> Thats why im having a hard time to pick a phone. at first I ordered a oneplusone off ebay but it turned out it was a scammer
[18:57] <ubptgbot> <Jose Canseco> since I read its the easiest one to get working
 @dohbee [sony xperia x (suzu)], ❤
[18:58] <ubptgbot> <Jose Canseco> @dohbee [sony xperia x (suzu)], sweet I'll check that out. and it's fullly functinal as far as calls and texts go?
 or go to pine64.org and buy a pinephone (not daily use ready, but cheap and new and good to play and test with, and has absolutely no android stuff at all)
 @Jose Canseco [sweet I'll check that out. and it's fullly functinal as far as calls and texts g …], Yes, and it just gained camcorder support. So pretty much everything works, except BT calls.
 bluetooth calling is a crapshoot on all devices really, for now
[18:59] <ubptgbot> <Jose Canseco> got it. that's not really a big deal to me as of now
[19:00] <ubptgbot> <Jose Canseco> well , glad I found this channel. thank you so much for being so helpful thus far
[19:11] <ubptgbot> Rupesh was added by: Rupesh
 Anyone else here with a Note 4? (except Tygerpro)
[19:25] <ubptgbot> gkuy hdr was added by: gkuy hdr
 @Jose Canseco [If my budget is between 150 to 300, do you guys recommend anything better than t …], Nexus 6P, Pixel, Pixel 2 all have ports in progress and are in that price range
[19:40] <ubptgbot> <Jose Canseco> @rocket2nfinity [Nexus 6P, Pixel, Pixel 2 all have ports in progress and are in that price range], thank you appreciated
 If you're in the US, there is an issue with VoLTE brewing, so the newer the device the better
 So, the Pinephone would be a good choice as well to have options
[19:44] <ubptgbot> <Jose Canseco> I am looking at the pinephone and it seems like it would probably be the best way to go
[19:45] <ubptgbot> <Jose Canseco> i also just found out my wife has a sony xperia x, so I guess I'll con her into giving me that to mess around with it while the pinephone comes
 I have one. I'm having a lot of fun with it.
[19:46] <ubptgbot> <Jose Canseco> nice. and everything basic works ok? like calls texts data?
 Speaking of the VoLTE problem, apparently AT&T has starting applying their whitelist early (as of yesterday). Devices are getting kicked off their network rapidly, including the Pinephone. We as a group need to harass them with phone calls and messages to get it on their list, since it does work
 On Mobian and Manjaro all works
 they are using modemmanager instead, and for some reason volte apparently is working with that
 On UT it also works, but there again - the VoLTE problem
 I can confirm it does. With T-Mobile and Verizon
 My AT&T Sim stopped working today.
[19:50] <ubptgbot> <Jose Canseco> wow that's insane
 So... At&T ain't playing
 @Yo5eff [Anyone else here with a Note 4? (except Tygerpro)], Hi, I have a Note 4 (F) with UT . It's my old device so happy that there is a port now! Unfortunatly few issues to use it as a daily driver. I also have random shutdown ( with a new bttery)  and the phone feel quiet hot.
 I've been having shutdowns with anything that is camera related. … Mine doesnt run hot at all.
 But it's nice cause is update with OTA so i can compare with my GSI Redmi 7. I would like to help to sort issues but i don't have skill i think.
 I also don't have coding skills to help...
 I understood that Tigerpro start this port with no specific knowledge at all and it took few years... It's nice lesson for everyone 😀.
 AT&Ts whitelist of devices they will allow on their network now data:image/png;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAABAAAAAQCAYAAAAf8/9hAAACMklEQVR4AWLABVY9/cFcf+MLBxSzMBADAIVTA6xdURCsbcWpbUe1bRtRbdu2zeDbtm3berbfdLftt05yfXd2dmYOgFYHExQvxvqJ1S0cKlDzGOEj0uyPk79l4AaLfxdpe1qXaINaO3JBw0c/dyECRXrfOxmqvvU6LwmTFkZLDchQGvEwSwXqhnWRMuyIkeNMihLUGdk
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[20:12] <ubptgbot> Kotanooloz2or was added by: Kotanooloz2or
 uh, what's with the base64 PNG
 [Edit] AT&Ts whitelist of devices they will allow on their network now
 I'll send in a bit. As soon as I figure out what I did
 [Edit] AT&Ts whitelist of devices they will allow on their network
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/Drg1wICR.pdf
[20:55] <ubptgbot> <Jose Canseco> wouldn't the right move here be leave ATT?
 Sure. But in the US, we have a problem. Ofono has not been configured to work with VoLTE. The big three have, or are switching to VoLTE only. So, your options for service are becoming very limited - to the regional baby bells, if you live in an area that has a regional carrier.
 Hence why the Pinephone would be a good option. You can still get service, sadly, by using another OS until UT is patched, or via Manjaro Lomiri - which is coming along nicely lately. But still a work in progress
[21:06] <ubptgbot> <Jose Canseco> thats awful
[21:06] <ubptgbot> <Jose Canseco> there's gotta be something that can be done im sure
 That's business
 Many have tried. With a new administration things might change. This is an FCC responsibility.
 would be nice if we had a thing in UT to see if volte is working or not, rather than constantly always making wild guesses
 (for things other than pinephone, as we know it doesn't work there)
 Ofonoctl scripts are the only way I know of -  bearer info. But, it only specifies if PS or CS preferred
 If PS preferred, it will try VoLTE first. But there is something else going on there that is keeping VoLTE from happening, but I do not know what
 Didn't you all force CS preferred because of a certain phone that needed it? (Can't remember which one)
 there's something that breaks CDMA, but it shouldn't break LTE afaik
[21:18] <ubptgbot> Jody Thigpen was added by: Jody Thigpen
 yeah, maybe we should just drop support for pro5, just to get rid of that change
 I'll find out for sure on the 29th when T-mobile turns off 2G/3G
[21:19] <ubptgbot> <gkuy hdr> Fwd from Jdjdjdnbdjdj: ETH 10% discount … contact@TimeHA1
 but that change doesn't affect pinephone or android9 devices
 i think
 Last I checked. Pinephone on UT is not functioning with VoLTE. But beats me as to why
 @dohbee [yeah, maybe we should just drop support for pro5, just to get rid of that change], Them's fighting words
 The needs of the many....
[21:28] <ubptgbot> <Jose Canseco> @rocket2nfinity [The needs of the many....], 👍
 i guess CDMA is just going away soon enough too
 Regional carriers are keeping it for a while in the US. And Dish/Boost
 I have spent a lot of time going over ofono and can't figure out what keeps CDMA from happening either. Need a network specialist to compare Ofono and modem manager I think
 on which device?
 Currently, I'm trying to compare the two with the Pinephone to see if I can find where they differ
 i don't think pine hardware supports cdma
[21:40] <ubptgbot> Andrii_Podanenko was added by: Andrii_Podanenko
 But it does support VoLTE. Modem Manager works, but Ofono does not, even though it should. There's got to be something that should be a noticeable difference that maybe can help figure out why one works and got to fix the other
 yes, but you mentioned CDMA, so i was asking what device you were doing that on :)
 also, where is it defined what `cs-preferred` means?
 [Edit] But it does support VoLTE. Modem Manager works, but Ofono does not, even though it should. There's got to be something that should be a noticeable difference that maybe can help figure out why one works and not the other
 ok so we don't want `ps-preferred` anyway
 since it means GPRS right?
 PS is packet switched - the newer standard. CS is circuit switched the old pours pots network
 Let me dig up the spec sheet
 [Edit] PS is packet switched - the newer standard. CS is circuit switched the old pots network
 Packet switched is VoLTE
 oh
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 wait so volte work with modemmanager?
 @rocket2nfinity [Packet switched is VoLTE], have you tried to run `/usr/share/ofono/scripts/set-sms-bearer ps-preferred` ?
 though i am not sure this will affect voice calls
 [Edit] wait am i reading right, so volte work with modemmanager?
 @Fuseteam [wait am i reading right, so volte work with modemmanager?], yes
 [Edit] wait am i reading right, so volte works with modemmanager?
 huh interesting
 https://commsbrief.com/difference-between-circuit-switched-packet-switched/
 Yes, but no joy setting to PS preferred
 hmm, i guess the script itself is broken, whee; but fixing the tabs vs spaces, it just fails on my nexus5
 but also it doesn't have a valid sim
 Here are the technical details of how a VoLTE (via IMS ie verizon or T-Mobile not sip) call is established. But it's been a long time since my networking training. So applying it to ofono is beyond my skill set
 https://www.sharetechnote.com/html/Handbook_LTE_VoLTE.html#Ex01
 And the official VoLTE implementation guide from the gsm alliance
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/b6zAL3W8.pdf
 @Flohack you asked me for this some time ago.
 And the technical standard
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/0zDYPZGT.pdf
 oh cool
 thx
 The link above the two PDFs will hopefully be most useful because it shows an actual call in process
 I hope to find smth, but most of the call handling is probably done in the modem itself. Lets see
 There is more to that page https://www.sharetechnote.com/html/Handbook_LTE_VoLTE.html#Radio_Layer_Configuration
 And the fire hose https://www.sharetechnote.com/html/Handbook_LTE.html
[23:32] <ubptgbot> Marty Williams was added by: Marty Williams


[08:58] <akik> hi, what could be the reason that getent passwd returns ldap users but i can't change to them? using nslcd against 389 directory server
[09:00] <akik> i have "files ldap" in nsswitch.conf and that makes those accounts available for getent
[09:07] <akik> when i start nslcd with -d i can see the connections to my ldap server
[09:12] <akik> is there some kind of tool like authconfig or authselect for ubuntu?
[09:16] <akik> maybe i need pam-auth-update --enable ldap ?
[09:44] <kenyon> akik: what's the error when you try to switch to the users? anything in auth.log about it?
[09:47] <akik> kenyon: it just says "su: user username does not exist"
[09:50] <akik> kenyon: this is ubuntu in a docker container so bits might be missing. e.g. no auth.log in /var/log
[09:50] <akik> systemd journal doesn't catch the attempt
[09:51] <akik> i was looking at the wrong log
[09:51] <akik> "Invalid user username" and "check pass; user unknown"
[09:53] <akik> i first tried with sssd but that gave me a more cryptic error that i couldn't google for
[09:59] <akik> i get these even before entering my password http://paste.debian.net/plain/1219698
[11:10] <akik> kenyon: it was about the ldap tls certificate sna
[11:11] <akik> kenyon: i'm configuring new remote hosts to use the same ldap server and i was using a different hostname for ldap access
[11:14] <akik> kenyon: so now i modified /etc/hosts to include the original ldap server names but new ip addresses
[11:15] <KNDX> The latest samba security upgrade broke our setup. (http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/s/samba/samba_4.13.14+dfsg-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>/change...). We tried downgrading samba. But we also use sssd, and for that package there is only 1 version available anymore that depends on the latest samba version
[11:15] <KNDX> (http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/s/sssd/sssd_2.2.3-3ubuntu0.8/changelog). Any pointers how to get out of this conundrum... either solving the current samba issue, of getting the downgrade working
[14:07] <jamespage> icey: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-croniter
[14:07] <jamespage> your ubuntu delta got lost cause of the package versioning
[14:08] <jamespage> that's still valid AFAICT - do you want to re-upload again ontop of the latest sync from debian with tzlocal dropped from the runtime depends?
[14:10] <icey> jamespage: seems reasonable, except I can't upload it :-P
[14:10] <jamespage> icey: oh did someone sponsor that for you?
[14:10] <icey> yeah; https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/jammy/openstack shows the things I can upload right now
[14:11] <jamespage> icey: lemme sort that out then
[14:11] <jamespage> did something get submitted back to debian?
[14:12] <icey> I don't see a change in https://salsa.debian.org/openstack-team/python/python-croniter
[14:14] <jamespage> icey: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=979494
[14:14] <icey> yeah - isn't it fun working with upstreams who leave things lying around :)
[14:42] <KNDX> We have been looking into this samba issue for a while now, but not getting much further. It seems to be related to nmbd. The linux servers can't seem to find the windows ad controllers anymore, and use one of the linux domain members as the master browser. smbclient fails with "session setup failed: NT_STATUS_NO_LOGON_SERVERS"


[01:37] <cjohnston> /////////23
[01:39] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro_: around?
[05:27] <vibhav> Good morning
[05:31] <chilicuil> good morning
[07:49] <dholbach> good morning
[07:50] <bkerensa> top of the morning
[09:00] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:21] <czajkowski> http://blog.launchpad.net/general/private-projects-and-private-blueprints-leave-beta :-)
[09:52] <vibhav> czajowski : any suggestions for the LoCo coordination plan?
[09:53] <vibhav> If I get time, I might send the LoCo contacts a mail
[09:53] <czajkowski> vibhav: I've been off sick for the last 2 days
[09:53] <czajkowski> I'll poke the other loco council folks we#ve not chatted this week tbh
[09:53] <czajkowski> huats: might have more of an idea as well
[09:54] <vibhav> Ah, get well soon :)
[11:35] <cjohnston> mornin
[11:56] <nigelb> Hey cjohnston
[11:56] <cjohnston> hey nigelb
[13:19] <daker> morning :)
[15:04] <mhall119> czajkowski: ping
[15:04] <czajkowski> mhall119: pong
[15:05] <mhall119> czajkowski: I created a new LP project, but I'm not sure yet what the license is going to be, is there anything I need to do to make it okay?
[15:05] <mhall119> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-community-website
[15:06] <czajkowski> mhall119: hmm 2 ticks
[15:09] <czajkowski> "GNU Affero GPL v3" was designed for websites
[15:10] <mhall119> czajkowski: right, but it'll be using a WP theme from the web team, which may be proprietary (or may not, I don't know yet)
[15:13] <czajkowski> hmmm
[15:13] <czajkowski> you didn't mention that :)
[15:13] <czajkowski> proprietary means you;ll have to have a commercial licence
[15:13] <czajkowski> that's not a problem I can sort that out
[15:13] <czajkowski> but then means it's not an open project
[15:15] <czajkowski> mhall119: hmm let me double check I think that's a bit confusing
[15:15] <czajkowski> may just need a different licence
[15:15] <czajkowski> let me go review notes and other examples
[15:16] <mhall119> thanks czajkowski
[15:16] <czajkowski> mhall119: gnu affero and + proprietary with a note in the COPYING file that the art is under different terms
[15:16] <czajkowski> that!
[15:16] <czajkowski> if the art/theme is not required to run (but someone has to replace them) then proprietary is not needed
[15:21] <mhall119> the art/theme may be all there is, the rest of the site's content will be in a WP database
[15:25] <mhall119> czajkowski: I'm being complicated, I know :(
[15:27] <czajkowski> mhall119: when aren't you :p
[15:29] <czajkowski> mhall119: properietary then is your answer
[15:33] <mhall119> ok, thanks
[15:33] <mhall119> :)
[16:02] <jono> mhall119, ping?
[16:12] <mhall119> jono: pong
[16:12] <jono> hey mhall119
[16:13] <jono> so to sync yup on the community website project...
[16:13] <jono> are all the pad pages up and complete?
[16:13] <jono> in terms of existing content is on them?
[16:13] <mhall119> jono: the pages are set up, do you want the old content just copy-pasted over?
[16:14] <mhall119> there wasn't much of it, and it's all over the place, I assumed we were starting form scratch
[16:14] <jono> mhall119, so I would like to move the content from u.c/community over to the pad pages and converted to markdown
[16:14] <jono> see the governance page I did as an example
[16:15] <jono> mhall119, well I think we should start with whatever content we have
[16:15] <jono> i have a blog post ready to roll
[16:15] <mhall119> ok, I'll start moving it over
[16:15] <mhall119> what's a good resource for Markdown syntax?
[16:15] <jcastro_> http://askubuntu.com/editing-help
[16:16] <mhall119> http://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/syntax?
[16:16] <jcastro_> mhall119:  ^^
[16:16] <jono> yup
[16:16] <mhall119> thanks jcastro_
[16:16] <jono> Markdown is dead simple
[16:16] <mhall119> it's not the complexity, it's getting it confused with all the other forms of markup
[16:17] <jcastro_> hey so one thing I've found useful is pandoc
[16:17] <jcastro_> it'll convert from nearly anything to nearly anything.
[16:18] <jcastro_> so if you have say, a directory full of a certain kind of markup, pandoc is a lifesaver
[16:18] <jcastro_> Also, `pandoc -s -r html http://somewebsite -o file.md`
[16:19] <jcastro_> is _awesome_
[16:21] <jcastro_> technoviking: heya, when you start messing with the new forums, see if there's a nice markdown plugin.
[16:22] <jcastro_> it would be nice to have markdown-everywhere for the project, we really only need the forums and the wiki to use it
[16:22] <jcastro_> Launchpad supports markdown too!
[16:22]  * jcastro_ goes back to work now after realizing he sounds like a markdown commercial
[16:22] <jono> jcastro_, pandoc looks sweet
[16:23] <jcastro_> yeah, it is
[16:23] <jcastro_> I wanted to prototype some juju doc stuff and I was able to convert all the docs from RST to markdown in like one little loop
[16:24] <jcastro_> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5720/Screenshot%20from%202012-12-05%2014%3A51%3A33.png
[16:24] <jcastro_> jono: ^^
[16:24] <jcastro_> I found this thing called "beautiful-docs"
[16:24] <jono> jcastro_, awesome
[16:24] <jcastro_> that takes a directory of markdown text files and generates that
[16:24] <jono> nice!
[16:25] <jcastro_> jono: then all you need is to connect this to launchpad: http://prose.io/about.html
[16:25] <jcastro_> blam, instant document editing with version control.
[16:33] <jcastro_> jono: wrt to the contribute section
[16:33] <jcastro_> check this out: http://www.whatcanidoformozilla.org/
[16:33] <jcastro_> but instead of program languages think more general things, "translations", "advocacy", and so on.
[16:40] <jono> interesting :-)
[16:42] <vibhav> jcastro_: we had taken this website as an example during the Ubuntu Developer summit
[16:49] <vibhav> During as radio a
[16:50] <vibhav> During a session at the Uds *
[16:57] <philipballew> Upvote?
[16:57] <philipballew> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/14e27y/san_diego_ubntu_hour/
[16:58] <SergioMeneses> philipballew, \o
[16:58] <SergioMeneses> are you busy?
[16:58] <philipballew> SergioMeneses, Kinda, I will be free about 12:30 pm
[16:59] <philipballew> The next two weeks is my hell for school. Finals and no sleep.
[16:59] <SergioMeneses> philipballew, :S
[16:59] <SergioMeneses> philip ballew, ok... so pm me when you are available
[17:01] <philipballew> alright, the best way to get a hold of me is to dm me on twitter, will shoot to my email and cell phone SergioMeneses . I think I follow you there.
[17:03] <SergioMeneses> philipballew, perfect! no worries
[17:03] <vibhav> philipballew : its worse here. I have 3 exams consecutively
[17:04] <philipballew> vibhav, but as an American I am supposed to complain when my life is really not that bad?
[17:04] <philipballew> vibhav, I see you talking about working all the time. You seems like you have a lot of school work.
[17:04] <vibhav> + finals too. Before these, we finished with one month full of tests
[17:05] <vibhav> Heh
[17:05] <vibhav> My school is kinda famous for exams
[17:05] <vibhav> Lots of them
[17:06] <philipballew> My school is famous not famous for things like that. More lame things.
[17:07] <vibhav> Anyways, would you have some development at your Ubuntu hour too?
[17:08] <philipballew> what do you mean vibhav ?
[17:08] <vibhav> Bug fixing, stuff like that
[17:08] <SergioMeneses> philipballew, vibhav what are you studying?
[17:09] <philipballew> yeah, it's a mix of non techie people, a Canonical employee and some sys admins
[17:09] <philipballew> SergioMeneses, underwater basket weaving
[17:09] <SergioMeneses> o0
[17:09] <vibhav> Every subject
[17:10] <SergioMeneses> ok, lunch time! see you later guys :)
[17:10] <vibhav> All 3 Sciences (separate books for biology, physics and chemistry) , geography, history, civics, English, hindi, computers
[17:10] <philipballew> SergioMeneses, thats a joke in America. Im  a business major.
[17:29] <daker> czajkowski: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/216116 if you have an anwser :)
[17:29] <czajkowski> daker: LP dev questions really are best suited to #launhcpad-dev
[17:29] <czajkowski> I'll try and get to it after the CC meeting
[17:29] <daker> czajkowski: thanks
[17:49] <dholbach> jcastro_, do you know how the forums testing is coming along?
[17:51] <jcastro_> last I saw it's up and running but the templates need work?
[17:51] <jcastro_> and technoviking said he won't be able to get to it until the 10th
[17:54] <dholbach> ah ok
[17:55] <dholbach> alright my friends, got to go
[17:55] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow


[04:01] <drew2121> micahg: are there any known memory leak problems with FF 3.6?
[04:02] <drew2121> micahg: it's using 30% of 4gb with only 2 tabs, facebook and a new tab
[04:05]  * micahg pretends to not know what a memory leak is
[04:07] <drew2121> micahg: is that a yes?
[04:07] <micahg> drew2121: nah, Firefox doesn't have memory leaks ;-)
[04:08] <micahg> j/k
[04:09] <drew2121> lol... mine is pretty bad... i only had 6-8 tabs open in one, and i closed them, but no memory was freed up =X, i had to do a killall to fix it
[04:09] <drew2121> in the other window i had facebook and a new tab =P
[04:09] <micahg> drew2121: I've got 1.6GB of resident memory usage for FF4
[04:10] <drew2121> isn't that excessive?
[04:10] <micahg> yes
[04:10] <drew2121> memory leaks FTW
[04:11] <drew2121> micahg: are there any ways to go about debugging them?
[04:11] <micahg> drew2121: probably, I haven't had time to look into it yet
[04:12] <drew2121> i don't know of any specific debuggers that are good with it
[04:12] <drew2121> i haven't learned a whole lot of debuggers in school yet though...
[04:16] <drew2121> micahg: looks like the consensus is dmalloc for C languages...
[04:17] <micahg> drew2121: won't work, Firefox uses jemalloc
[04:19] <drew2121> micahg: i can't find any good documentation on jemalloc, i cant even find it in the repos =X
[04:36] <micahg> drew2121: did you see Chris's comment about apport and Firefox?
[06:05] <awk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libunistring/+bug/702317
[06:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 702317 in libunistring (Ubuntu) "Building of libunistring0 fails (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[06:06] <awk> When the hek will this get resolved? How do people build custom kernels ?
[06:11] <micahg> awk: I have it installed, so, wfm
[06:12] <micahg> awk: I suggest running apt-get update and trying again or trying a different mirror
[06:15] <awk> micahg: I have tried us/uk/za
[06:15] <awk> I have downloaded from archive.ubuntu
[06:15] <awk> and dpkg -i with the same result.
[06:16] <awk> never mind :P
[06:16] <awk> it's now working
[06:16] <micahg> awk: ah, good
[06:16] <awk> Can I close the bug?
[06:20] <micahg> awk: well, I already converted it to a question, so you can close that if you like
[06:21] <awk> micahg: what was the reason for it not working? bad rsync to repos?
[06:21] <micahg> awk: more likely a bad local cache
[06:22] <awk> ah, thanks.
[09:39] <wolfpack> I think the following is pretty OLD and need to be updated...."https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection"
[09:41] <trinikrono> can someone set bug 382267 to triaged and set status to low for me please
[09:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 382267 in checkgmail (Debian) (and 2 other projects) "memory leak (affects: 6) (heat: 23)" [Unknown,Unknown] https://launchpad.net/bugs/382267
[09:41] <trinikrono> or please advise lol
[13:49] <AbhiJit> ]/close
[15:13] <drew2121> micahg: yeah, i didn't realize we changed that
[18:25] <kamusin> hggdh, Eeebotu is gone :(
[18:27] <hggdh> kamusin: per chance I was at the computer -- restarted, thank you
[18:27] <kamusin> wohoo thanks to you ;)
[18:48]  * hggdh will dig out what happened to eeeBotu later
[19:56] <jschall> bug 384920 is almost 2 years old... it affects me, and I'm hoping to find a good workaround or to provide someone with the information necessary to fix it. It's causing my wireless to connect at 8 Mbit/s when it should be connecting at 54M.
[19:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 384920 in wireless-tools (Fedora) (and 1 other project) "iwconfig bitrate is not set properly (affects: 4) (heat: 25)" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/384920
[20:36] <drew2121> micahg: what is the process for when a new profile works for a user?
[20:37] <charlie-tca> good question, drew2121
[20:37]  * charlie-tca never ran into a user that succeeded with the new profile
[20:37] <drew2121> charlie-tca: do you know? i mean, its not a bug, but how do i tell the user that =P
[20:37] <drew2121> check out bug 701217
[20:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 701217 in firefox (Ubuntu) "does not remember 'customer number' but says it has. (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/701217
[20:38] <charlie-tca> I don't know. I anxiously await micahg's response!
[20:38] <charlie-tca> My guess would be the bug is invalid because the user profile has something wrong
[20:40] <micahg> drew2121: disable all addons in the good profile and enable them one by one until the culprit is (hopefully) found
[20:41] <micahg> drew2121: actually, if that works, it won't be system installed, so convert to question at that point, and propose what I said before
[20:41]  * charlie-tca knew micahg would know the right answer
[20:42] <drew2121> he said with all addons disabled it doesn't work
[20:45] <drew2121> micahg: what do i do then?
[20:52] <drew2121> and what are we doing about all the crash reports still in LP? are we still supposed to triage those?
[20:57] <micahg> drew2121: well, unless the crash report is usable, no, lucid and up can now report straight to Mozilla
[20:58] <drew2121> alrite...
[20:58] <drew2121> micahg: and about the new profile working, if he disables all addons it doesn't work, so convert to question and...?
[20:59] <micahg> drew2121: as for the bug, please ask the user which version worked, I'd like to know if it's a regression in -updates
[20:59] <drew2121> micahg: which version?
[21:00] <micahg> drew2121: user is up to date with 3.6.13
[21:00] <micahg> drew2121: maverick was released with 3.6.10
[21:01] <drew2121> yes... but all he did was create a new profile, that degrades your version
[21:06] <drew2121> micahg: nevermind, i understand what you meant now =P
[21:27] <drew2121> micahg: is bug 578069 normal behavior, so i could mark that as triaged/wishlist as the user is more looking to add a feature(the ability to choose between both)or should i mark triaged(low), as it is easily worked around.
[21:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 578069 in firefox (Ubuntu) "firefox adobe flash plugin no longer works (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/578069
[21:28] <micahg> drew2121: ubufox should allow you to switch
[21:28] <drew2121> alrite
[21:28] <micahg> drew2121: FYI, swfdec is broke in Lucid and gnash replaced it in maverick
[21:29] <micahg> err, not broke, just old
[21:29] <drew2121> micahg: where do you learn all this stuff? lol
[21:29] <drew2121> micahg: is there a daily digest?
[21:29] <micahg> drew2121: I did the initial merge of gnash 0.88 into ubuntu, so I saw what it replaced
[21:30] <micahg> I also filed the bug for the old swfdec-0.7 to be removed from maverick
[21:31] <drew2121> micahg: that would do it =P, so maybe ask the user to try a new profile? since ubufox should allow it?
[21:31] <micahg> err, swfdec0.7
[21:31] <micahg> drew2121: you can try
[21:33] <drew2121> if swfdec is broken shouldn't support be removed from lucid?
[21:33] <micahg> drew2121: it's not broke, it just won't render stuff like youtube
[21:33] <micahg> it's old
[21:34] <drew2121> micahg: thats broke to me =P
[21:34] <micahg> drew2121: we generally don't remove stuff from the stable release
[21:34] <micahg> I would like to maybe backport gnash, but I have to make sure it works
[23:46] <ether-boy> what way can i report/request a missing kernel module?
[23:52] <ether-boy> what way can i report/request a missing kernel module?


[01:22] <Ahmuck_> evening
[01:22] <Ahmuck_> why 9:30 chat time?
[02:05] <Greenbean> Anyone not idle?
[02:37] <kwadroke> I'm not at the moment
[02:39] <Ahmuck_> i'm not idle, but having hard time staying connected this evening
[02:40] <Ahmuck_> i'm not idle, but having hard time staying connected this evening
[03:05] <Greenbean> Am I now?
[03:06] <Ahmuck_> hi
[03:06] <Ahmuck_> what's up
[03:07] <Greenbean> Awesome. Trying to straighten out this Empathy client. Pidgin started flaking out on me.
[03:08] <Greenbean> Anything interesting happening in the world of IRC?
[03:08] <Ahmuck_> what's going on with empathy?
[03:08]  * Ahmuck_ just bored here
[03:10] <Greenbean> Zuckerschmuck did something to the Facebook client and now it's busted. You can get messages, but you can't post to chat unless you log onto the website. I guess you'd call that remote chat being broken. Again.
[03:10] <r2d2rogers> howdy guys
[03:10] <Greenbean> Heya
[03:10] <Ahmuck_> hi r2d2rogers
[03:11] <r2d2rogers> either of you got into the time sink of minecraft yet?
[03:11] <Greenbean> Damned creepers.
[03:11] <r2d2rogers> lol
[03:12] <r2d2rogers> I'm just trying to find my way home in my single player world now
[03:12] <Greenbean> Didn't build any beacons, huh?
[03:13] <r2d2rogers> yeah, but not nearly high enough
[03:13] <Ahmuck_> i built a computer, leading edge in 2003 to play games for gaming and have never played a game on it
[03:13] <r2d2rogers> I'm standing on the ceiling of my world trying to find the torches I places
[03:14] <Greenbean> Well, you can still play 2003 games on it. Unreal Tournament 2004 is pretty flashy.
[03:15] <Greenbean> @r2d2rogers I believe in making roads and lighthouses. If I'm going to a new chunk, there's going to be a road.
[03:17] <Greenbean> Has anybody managed to install AmigaOS 4.1?
[03:18] <r2d2rogers> Greenbean: I'll have to make sure I do that next time... right now I'm looking at a mcmap and trying to figure out landmarks
[03:18] <Greenbean> Hard learned lessons there I assure you.
[03:20] <Greenbean> "Let's see... I think I went this way by the rock that looks like a pregnant giraffe, and then the ocean with the sand islands and...... TSSSSSSSSSSSSSSsssssss! *K-BLOOEY!*
[03:20] <Greenbean> ... shit."
[03:20] <Greenbean> Well that's one way to get back home.
[03:22] <r2d2rogers> lol
[03:22] <Ahmuck_> speaking of girrafs, sean the latest verizon commercial?
[03:22] <r2d2rogers> yeah
[03:22] <Ahmuck_> with the minii giraffe
[03:22] <Ahmuck_> amusing
[03:22] <r2d2rogers> muscle building one?
[03:22] <r2d2rogers> yup
[03:23] <Ahmuck_> yep
[03:23] <Ahmuck_> i thought i'd sit down and see what all types of things were in it like last tiem
[03:26] <zillah> hi all
[03:28] <r2d2rogers> howdy zillah
[03:28] <zillah> how's it going?
[03:29] <r2d2rogers> random commercials and minecraft with question about AmigaOS seem to be the topics tonight
[03:29] <r2d2rogers> not too bad
[03:29] <r2d2rogers> trying to find a job down here <G>
[03:29] <zillah> haha, i was just about to load up minecraft :)
[03:29] <r2d2rogers> or arkansas would work too ;)
[03:29] <zillah> where are you at?
[03:29] <r2d2rogers> Monroe, LA
[03:29] <zillah> ah
[03:30] <r2d2rogers> would be nice to move back home though
[03:30] <r2d2rogers> My grandmother would like that ;)
[03:31] <Ahmuck_> r2d2rogers: ur trying to find a job?
[03:33] <r2d2rogers> yup
[03:33] <r2d2rogers> computer service business is tempting here but there are lots of them in this market
[03:34] <r2d2rogers> web programming and database development are what I've been doing, but in a corporate setting
[03:34] <r2d2rogers> sys admin or some support jobs are what else I'm looking at
[03:34] <zillah> ahmuck, what are you up to tonight?
[03:39] <Greenbean> Heya zillah
[03:39] <zillah> hey man how's it going?
[03:40] <Greenbean> I was about to load Minecraft too. Got a temple to finish
[03:42] <zillah> i'm been working on finding more diamonds :D
[03:42] <Ahmuck__> sorry, got knocked off
[03:42] <Ahmuck__> so ...?!
[03:42] <Greenbean> There's a .deb called InvGrid.
[03:42] <Ahmuck__> finding more diamonds?
[03:43] <Ahmuck__> zillah: just hanging out
[03:43] <Ahmuck__> resting from trip to AR
[03:43] <Ahmuck__> got lost in devil's den trying to cut across country
[03:43] <Ahmuck__> and brakes went
[03:43] <Ahmuck__> :/
[03:43] <Greenbean> He can't buy a break, can he?
[03:44] <zillah> what's invgrid?
[03:44] <Greenbean> Inventory editor for Minecraft
[03:44] <Ahmuck__> http://starbytesoftware.com/projects/invgrid/
[03:45] <Ahmuck__> ah yes, the new dairy queen commercial is interesting as well
[03:46] <Ahmuck__> hi DoubleB
[03:46] <zillah> what's the new dairy queen commercial?
[03:46] <DoubleB> Hi
[03:46]  * Ahmuck__ was speaking of DirectTV comercial b4, not verizon
[03:46] <zillah> hey DoubleB
[03:47] <DoubleB> I have been out in the yard all afternoon i just came in. :D
[03:48] <Greenbean> Hey zillah, did I tell you about that dream I had where I falcon punched Lindsey in the crotch?
[03:48] <zillah> no Greenbean, i don't believe you have lol
[03:49] <zillah> you guys should talk DoubleB into playing minecraft too  :P
[03:50] <DoubleB> does it run on Linux?
[03:50] <Greenbean> Yep. Even works with the open Java client
[03:51] <zillah> http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/04/educational-building-blocks-how-minecraft-is-being-used-in-the-classroom.ars
[03:51] <Greenbean> I got flamed on over at Phoronix for saying I liked Minecraft better than that Oil Rush game coming out.
[03:52] <DoubleB> wow
[03:52] <Greenbean> What can I say, I don't like tower defense or RTS games. Even if the engine is really pretty.
[03:53] <r2d2rogers> I'm fairly new to minecraft but I'm it'
[03:53] <r2d2rogers> it's my top interest for games on my computer these days
[03:53] <zillah> i've been playing for the past week or so and i'm addicted lol
[03:53] <Greenbean> I was flat told that I should buy Oil Rush anyway because I'd be "supporting Linux gaming" and I was some kind of unwashed turd for not doing so.
[03:54] <Greenbean> I think I bought Minecraft a couple of months ago.  I've got the server client, but I haven't set it up yet. Dan and Kevin are on it too.
[03:59] <kwadroke> I've got a server running
[03:59] <kwadroke> about to log in
[04:00] <Ahmuck__> sorry, i'm beat.  going to take a nap /me thinks
[04:00] <DoubleB> un-washed turds shall haz no server!
[04:00] <Greenbean> LOL
[04:01] <zillah> lol
[04:02] <zillah> i wish i wasn't too tired to play  :)
[04:02] <Greenbean> Bert and Fozzie bear have the same voice.
[04:06] <zillah> ummmmm....ok?
[04:07] <DoubleB> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6i-BcOTUms&NR=1
[04:09] <zillah> lol
[04:15] <r2d2rogers> kwadroke: care to share the server address?
[04:16] <kwadroke> I would, but it's the store's server.
[04:16] <r2d2rogers> ahh
[04:16] <r2d2rogers> cool
[04:16] <r2d2rogers> yeha I
[04:16] <r2d2rogers> I'm waiting on a friend to get one up ...
[04:16] <kwadroke> we give it out to people to play at the game store
[04:16] <kwadroke> if it was just mine, I would
[04:16] <r2d2rogers> I know I'll need to get something running for my boys (8 & 6) to play on.
[04:17] <r2d2rogers> no worries
[04:17] <r2d2rogers> kwadroke: remind me where the store is?
[04:17] <kwadroke> Conway
[04:17] <r2d2rogers> that's what I thought
[04:18] <r2d2rogers> guess I need to apply at Acxiom again ;)(
[04:18] <zillah> DoubleB: we need to set up a minecraft server at the store  :)
[04:18] <zillah> for now i'm going to bed though, my eyes are burning
[04:18] <zillah> good night all
[04:18] <Greenbean> Night. I'm out too.