[05:42] <hsystemxX> XP sucks. its win32, and take more memory than any linux... remeber it depends on what processes are you running in ubuntu.
[05:42] <Tensop> yeah, vista uses alot of memory too
[05:42] <nickrud> !find libncurses5 | DWSR
[05:42] <ubotu> dwsr: Found: libncurses5, libncurses5-dbg, libncurses5-dev
[05:42] <Tensop> but that belongs in the bin :)
[05:42] <DWSR> Ah, that's what I'm looking for.
[05:42] <Tensop> XP boots up with ~95-120mb in use
[05:42] <timandtom> cube: Ok, will do
[05:42] <DWSR> ncurses is still referred to by some packages, which is why I thought I needed to update.
[05:43] <Tensop> ubuntu boots up with ~200mb or so
[05:43] <nickrud> Temagic: sure, system->prefs->appearance , hit the custom button
[05:43] <timandtom> gmcastil: Ok, thanks, I'll try that.
[05:43] <Tensop> XP boots faster too
[05:43] <Tensop> but thats only because its 7 years older :)
[05:43] <gmcastil> timandtom: good luck
[05:43] <Tensop> im sure a 7 year old nix distro would boot quite fast
[05:43] <Temagic> nickrud: will it be consistent in all programs, windows etc?
[05:43] <nickrud> Temagic: all the gnome apps, yes. Not any kde apps you may install
[05:43] <cube> Tensop: offtopic might be better for you
[05:43] <Temagic> ok, thanks
[05:43] <hsystemxX> tensop if thats the way, then try ubuntu 6.06 ...
[05:43] <hsystemxX> or ubuntu 5.X
[05:44] <WGGMk> Im having trouble trouble starting "DansGuardian", it just hangs on the server (Gutsy amd64) any thoughts?
[05:44] <Tensop> nah :P
[05:44] <DJAdmiral> cube, take a look: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/4063/
[05:44] <apparle> bye
[05:44] <Tensop> im running xp on the desktop and ubuntu 8.04 on the lappy
[05:44] <naffy-duck> nickrud , Tensop , gmcastil apparle , i think this is a job for an real world linux/ubuntu user group, which I'll probably find here in melbourne and save myself alot of grief:)
[05:44] <sk8deamon> hi
[05:44] <Tensop> im in melb, there are no user groups ;)
[05:45] <Tensop> exactly what's the problem naffy-duck
[05:45] <nickrud> !loco | naffy-duck
[05:45] <ubotu> naffy-duck: Information on Ubuntu Local Community Teams is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams
[05:45] <hsystemxX> it seems that there is more documentation in spanish for ubuntu than in english.
[05:45] <biouser> is there no GUI process manager in Gutsy?
[05:45] <Temagic> I'm currently sitting on a dell m1330 and installed opensuse, but the distro doesn't quite work with my laptop, then I googled and found out that ubuntu was 100% compatible with my machine:) I just didn't like the look of the distro. But if this is easy to change, I'll be downloading ubuntu now (actually I allready am...) So, soon I'll join the community:) Thanks for the quick reply
[05:45] <nickrud> naffy-duck: the one in melbourne is pretty active I hear
[05:45] <bod_> hey guys,. how do i stop a ackage from showing up in the update manager? i dont want compiz
[05:45] <gmcastil> Temagic: there are several flavors which use different window managers
[05:45] <biouser> Temagic, you will like the look
[05:45] <naffy-duck> Tensop 1/I've never used linux os 2/ My vista laptop has only one drive and two used partitions
[05:46] <David37> can anyone help me install nvidia display driver for an 8800gt i've downloaded it to the desktop but i have no clue what to do next
[05:46] <gmcastil> Temagic: for an older machine, you might try xubuntu
[05:46] <Tensop> what laptop naffy-duck
[05:46] <cube> Djadmiral are you installing the updates through update-manager?
[05:46] <naffy-duck> tks obotu
[05:46] <hsystemxX> biouser, with GUI: System Monitor, interminal:  ps -ef|grep YOUR-USER
[05:46] <DJAdmiral> Aye
[05:46] <sk8deamon> hi got a question how to modify ubuntu so i can create a os derived from ubuntu like xubuntu or kubuntu how  to package wut software do i need for this
[05:46] <a2> !lista
[05:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lista - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:46] <sk8deamon> can someone help
[05:46] <naffy-duck> Tensop compaq pressario v6000
[05:46] <Temagic> I hope so, it was just that the whole brown thing didn't quite make the cut... But I've heard ubuntu is the easiest and most supported distro, so I'm really looking forward to trying it out
[05:47] <DJAdmiral> sk8deamon, you could use a tool such as reconstructor.
[05:47] <apparle> naffy-duck: I suggest you to seek someone good in Vista (Windows chatrooms) and ask how to resize the partition in Vista itself and then install ubuntu on new drive.
[05:47] <cube> Djadmiral: if all you are having problems with is openoffice why don't you look for any needed files and if it doesn't work remove then install open office
[05:47] <biouser> thanx hsystemxX
[05:47] <Tensop> hmm
[05:47] <naffy-duck> apparle k, good idea for starters
[05:47] <Tensop> naffy-duck- i dont use vista, but try this
[05:47] <gmcastil> naffy-duck: partition magic is a program made to resize partitions - its likely about the only choice you have
[05:47] <Tensop> start > run > diskmgmt.msc
[05:47] <David37> can anyone help me install nvidia display driver for an 8800gt i've downloaded it to the desktop but i have no clue what to do next
[05:47] <Temagic> gmcastil: Nah, 2,2ghz C2D with 4GB RAM, running Vista, so I'm sure ubuntu will be just fine:)
[05:47] <DJAdmiral> cube, you're not getting me
[05:47] <Tensop> that should open up the diskman snapin in vista
[05:47] <gmcastil> Tensop: that won't work
[05:47] <sk8deamon> djadmiral how to change basic code of ubuntu
[05:47] <Tensop> what, doesent exist in vista gmcastil?
[05:47] <gmcastil> Temagic: yeah, that's a little less than what i have - it runs just fine
[05:48] <gmcastil> Tensop: mt, srry
[05:48] <fallore_> can anyone help me get digital audio working on my ubuntu box? i can get it to work just fine with the same set up on for example my cable box but when plugged into the linux box it doesn't work.
[05:48] <Temagic> :)
[05:48] <DJAdmiral> sk8deamon: how experienced are you with linux?
[05:48] <sk8deamon> not much thats why all the questions
[05:48] <hsystemxX> David37 , i would help you, but some people may critize the way I install nvidia drivers (envy script).
[05:48] <DJAdmiral> and why would you want to change the basic code?
[05:48] <Temagic> yeah, but it's a laptop, so I really don't expect too much from it...
[05:48] <cube> David: before you try installing the downloaded driver try getting nvidia-glx (new driver) within your package manager
[05:48] <sk8deamon> never used it infact
[05:48] <hsystemxX> so, wait for other hehe.
[05:48] <gmcastil> Tensop: no...right guy - yeah, windows doesn't have a native way to do it
[05:48] <David37> pm me please
[05:48] <gmcastil> Temagic: as is mine - it works awesome
[05:48] <sk8deamon> trying to get into it now
[05:48] <RiantheBear> hey im an apple user looking for some help with my ubuntu, cant figure out my booting issue
[05:48] <sk8deamon> thats why
[05:48] <Temagic> cool
[05:49] <DJAdmiral> sk8deamon, then don't bother making a custom version yet.
[05:49] <alanbshepard70> how do I empty the trash when it contains files I don't have permissions for? I downloaded a package and it contained files with root permissions, once I deleted the file I can't get it to be completly trashed
[05:49] <gmcastil> Temagic: linux isn't anywhere near as harsh with system resources as windows is - 4 GB is way overkill
[05:49] <hsystemxX> David37, wait, let me register my user .
[05:49] <hsystemxX> first.
[05:49] <naffy-duck> gmcastil i was just reading about a partmagic clone called QTparted, anyone know this?
[05:49] <David37> kk
[05:49] <Tensop> theres probably a few partition resizers around for vista
[05:49] <DJAdmiral> modifying the "basic code" isn't necessary at all.
[05:49] <sk8deamon> wut do u mean
[05:49] <sk8deamon> if its opensource
[05:49] <gmcastil> naffy-duck: i'v enever heard of it - i would be leery of something new
[05:49] <DWSR> !find libtcl
[05:49] <ubotu> Found: libtcl-chiark-1, libtclap-dev, libtcltk-ruby, libtcltk-ruby1.8, libtcltk-ruby1.9
[05:49] <David37> ive been messing with this for like 8 hours off and on since last night
[05:49] <Tensop> when i bought my laptop(acer 5315) i just wiped the vista+restore partition, put xp+ubuntu on
[05:49] <sk8deamon> well i want to see wuts going on behind the scenes
[05:49] <DWSR> !find tcl
[05:49] <ubotu> Found: expect-tcl8.3, expect-tcl8.3-dev, libdb4.2-tcl, libdb4.3-tcl, python-dictclient (and 76 others)
[05:49] <cube> david: but you need to enable proprietary drivers in system-admin-software sources
[05:49] <David37> reading the forums and cnat get it to work
[05:49] <sk8deamon> like wut it was built on
[05:49] <fallore_> can anyone help me get digital audio working on my ubuntu box? i can get it to work just fine with the same set up on for example my cable box but when plugged into the linux box it doesn't work.
[05:50] <seacat> sk8deamon, sudo apt-get install kbuntu-desktop
[05:50] <Temagic> I found an iso image for ubuntu, preconfigured with all drivers and everyting for my laptop from the dell website, so I won't have to configure and solve issues and such... opensuse was a nightmare... used the whole day just to get internet and my bluetooth mouse working (I have no linux skills, so it took awhile...)
[05:50] <DJAdmiral> If you're making a new derivation of ubuntu, then you don't need to modify the basic code
[05:50] <Kuroachia> Does anyone know how I can get my gdesklets to run on startup?
[05:50] <hsystemxX> erm a noob question: cant remember how to register my nick... how it was?
[05:50] <Ttech> Temagic,  got a link?
[05:50] <sk8deamon> but can i
[05:50] <DJAdmiral> you just modify what you need to.
[05:50] <naffy-duck> Tensop what do u lose in going back from vista to xp?
[05:50] <gmcastil> David37: there are a ton of google references about installing the drivers for an 8800 card
[05:50] <WGGMk> test
[05:50] <fallore_> hsystemxX: /msg nickserv register password email i think
[05:50] <hsystemxX> thanks.
[05:50] <Kuroachia> hsystemxX: /msg nickserv identify <password>
[05:50] <fallore_> hsystemxX: you might not need email
[05:50] <gmcastil> WGGMk: PASS
[05:50] <Temagic> http://linux.dell.com/files/ubuntu/iso-images/
[05:50] <Ttech> Temagic,  thansk
[05:50] <Tensop> naffy-duck: i removed the vista partition+restore partition and put XP on
[05:50] <fallore_> Kuroachia: thats to identify after being registered, just fyi
[05:51] <seacat> hsystemxX, /msg nickserv identify passwordhere
[05:51] <WGGMk> gmcastil: acctually fail, im having issues with my sound.. its on/off
[05:51] <Tensop> i didnt want vista at all - laptop only has 512mb and vista has a sucky gui
[05:51] <gmcastil> WGGMk: FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:51] <DJAdmiral> sk8deamon, that's really not recommended for inexperienced linux users. You'd only end up having a broken system.
[05:51] <sco50000> what is the root password for the fiesty 7.04 live cd?
[05:51] <cube> gmcastil: there are tons of google references for fixing most things we all get help for :0
[05:51] <WGGMk> gmcastil: but thnx
[05:51] <Kuroachia> fallore: yessum
[05:51] <fallore_> hsystemxX: /msg nickserv register password email i think
[05:51] <gmcastil> Tensop: 1/2 a gig? my god, i'm surprised that it boots
[05:51] <sk8deamon> i know but got any books
[05:51] <sco50000> what is the root password for the kubuntu fiesty 7.04 live cd?
[05:51] <fallore_> can anyone help me get digital audio working on my ubuntu box? i can get it to work just fine with the same set up on for example my cable box but when plugged into the linux box it doesn't work.
[05:51] <Tensop> heh, it hardly booted up vista with 512mb gmcastil :)
[05:51] <sk8deamon> or any software to start with
[05:51] <naffy-duck> Tensop yes, i mean in performance and security tween vista and xp, xp isn't 64 bit is it?
[05:51] <sk8deamon> so  ican learn
[05:51] <norv> sk8deamon: compiling your own kernel (i.e. Linux) is one thing, modifying it is a whole different story
[05:51] <gmcastil> cube: lol...some of these questions....grrr
[05:51] <Tensop> naffy-duck what's your laptop specs
[05:51] <hsystemxX> thanks fallore (Y) it worked, without email.
[05:52] <DJAdmiral> the best way to learn is to be a bash guru.
[05:52] <Tensop> x86-64 isnt *real* 64bit processing
[05:52] <qarl> I've tweaked my .bashrc command prompt (PS1), but now when the shell wraps onto itself when I type a really long command. Any ideas on how to fix this?
[05:52] <gmcastil> Tensop: it must draaaaaaaaaag
[05:52] <Tensop> its merely an extension of the addressable memory space
[05:52] <hsystemxX> thanks the other for the replys.
[05:52] <bod_> !repeat > fallore_                    please read the private message from ubotu
[05:52] <sco50000> what is the root password for the kubuntu fiesty 7.04 live cd?
[05:52] <wsguede> help! ok, so i was looking to connect to my desktop version of ubuntu from an off IP site. What is the best way to do this?
[05:52] <Temagic> Tensop: x86_64 isn't real 64-bit? please elaborate...
[05:52] <czr> Tensop, with 64-bit registers and other 64-bit stuff. how exactly isn't it real 64-bit?
[05:52] <gmcastil> wsguede: SSH
[05:52] <WGGMk> Having an issue with my sound, it decides when it wants to work.. When running a music player it will sometimes just lock up the application
[05:52] <poningru> wsguede: what do you mean connect?
[05:52] <DJAdmiral> do you have any programming/development experience, though?
[05:52] <gmcastil> czr: the OS has to be written to take advantage of it
[05:52] <hsystemxX> David37 im PM you.
[05:52] <wsguede> gmcastil: and what do i need to install
[05:52] <czr> gmcastil, linux is.
[05:52] <naffy-duck> Tensop amd 64 1.9ghz , 1gigdram, 120gig hd, nvidia,
[05:52] <jwelcher> where does Dapper (6.06) rotate for syslog (i.e /var/log/messages) get set?
[05:53] <hsystemxX> David37?
[05:53] <gmcastil> czr: 64-bit versions of linux are - most people aren't using 64-bit linux
[05:53] <poningru> wsguede: just downloading files? or controlling the entire desktop (like opening applications etc.)?
[05:53] <jwelcher> Not in /etc/logrotate.conf apparently or /etc/logrotate.d...
[05:53] <gmcastil> wsguede: nothing - ssh is part of a standard linux install
[05:53] <wsguede> poningru: well, my computer here has all my music, i want access to it, from off the IP
[05:53] <czr> gmcastil, that doesn't make x86-64 any less 64-bit as an arch.
[05:53] <Temagic> So, do you guys recommend 32-bit or 64-bit ubuntu... my processor is a 64-bit C2D?
[05:53] <sco50000> what is the root password for the kubuntu fiesty 7.04 live cd?
[05:53] <sk8deamon> i do vb, c, c++, java, html, php, css, oracle, sql
[05:53] <czr> Temagic, how much memory do you have?
[05:53] <poningru> wsguede: you just want access to your music?
[05:53] <wsguede> gmcastil: so how would i putty in?
[05:53] <hsystemxX> sco500000, password =  livecd
[05:53] <sk8deamon> want to something like bumptop but for fox chase cancer center
[05:53] <wsguede> poningru: sure
[05:53] <seacat> Temagic, 32
[05:53] <poningru> then ssh is probably the best
[05:53] <czr> Temagic, if you have less than 3 GiB and are a "regular desktop user", go with 32-bit.
[05:53] <sk8deamon> i am working there as a student
[05:53] <poningru> !ssh
[05:53] <Temagic> 4GiB
[05:53] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[05:53] <DWSR> !find zlib
[05:53] <ubotu> Found: libcompress-raw-zlib-perl, libio-compress-zlib-perl, libio-zlib-perl, libruby1.8, zlib1g (and 9 others)
[05:54] <sk8deamon> and i want to get into this
[05:54] <Tensop> x86_64 was introduced to get around the 4gb memory issue
[05:54] <sk8deamon> for research laptops
[05:54] <gmcastil> wsguede: putty is the right thing to use on windows, just make sure that port 22 is open on your firewall, then connect
[05:54] <sk8deamon> for nurses
[05:54] <poningru> wsguede: see that guide ubotu pointed to regarding ssh
[05:54] <Tensop> its an extension of the addressable memory space - its not capable of executing a 64bit long string
[05:54] <jwelcher> Is there some other configuration for /var/log/messsages or other log rotator than logrotate?
[05:54] <gmcastil> wsguede: i prefer to use cygwin myself, but its a matter of preference
[05:54] <norv> sk8deamon: err, something like a Beowulf cluster huh?
[05:54] <Temagic> i'm a regular laptop user... will ubuntu work with 4gig memory (3.2 or whatever) without hangups or instability?
[05:54] <DJAdmiral> I see
[05:54] <gmcastil> Temagic: mine works fine
[05:54] <Temagic> cool
[05:55] <WGGMk> Having an issue with my sound, it decides when it wants to work.. When running a music player it will sometimes just lock up the application
[05:55] <wsguede> gmcastil: will do, one last thing... how do i go about making different users to log in via ssh?
[05:55] <poningru> Tensop: uh...
[05:55] <gmcastil> Temagic: stability isn't much an issue with linux, software is usually the only problem
[05:55] <gmcastil> wsguede: useradd
[05:55] <DJAdmiral> seriously though, don't get round to modifying a system you don't even know yet
[05:55] <gmcastil> wsguede: useradd <newuser>
[05:55] <gmcastil> wsguede: passwd <newuser>
[05:55] <naffy-duck> Tensop , tougher question, once ubuntu is installed, will my machine be able to switch back and fro between the two os?
[05:55] <poningru> Tensop: not true at all, only in old intel em64t is thats true
[05:55] <Temagic> vista doesn't work out-of-box with 4 gig, needs some patch from winupd, then you can insert the last mem module...lol
[05:55] <gmcastil> wsguede: easy as pie
[05:55] <jwelcher> # grep messages /etc/logrotate.conf /etc/logrotate.d/*
[05:55] <jwelcher> #
[05:55] <DJAdmiral> you should be completely comfortable with it first, and know what to modify :)
[05:55] <gmcastil> wsguede: you can even log into your own machine from itself
[05:55] <bod_> WGGMk, are you using alsa throughout your system?
[05:56] <Tensop> naffy-duck: you need to sort out the partition issue before proceeding with installing ubuntu
[05:56] <David37> hsystem can you read me in the pm box i can read you
[05:56] <poningru> wsguede: just go to system->admin->user and add user
[05:56] <WGGMk> bod_: as far as i can tell yes
[05:56] <jwelcher> But something is rotating it weekly...
[05:56] <gmcastil> jwelcher: check if cron has something going on
[05:56] <norv> sk8deamon: or just a standard 'internet application'
[05:56] <norv> gmcastil: graphics cards can seriously hit stability, and networking.. those are the only things that ever hard locked the system or paniced the kernel
[05:56] <naffy-duck> Tensop sure, no probs with that, just want to know if i can dual boot?
[05:56] <bod_> WGGMk, i dont suppose you've found a definate trigger, anything that will definately kill the sound?
[05:56] <gmcastil> norv: is this for a server?
[05:57] <Temagic> so, a more diffucult question folks... I have opensuse and vista installed on my computer and want to replace opensuse with ubuntu... is this straight-forward in the installer or do I need some wizard skills?
[05:57] <wsguede> poningru: what does an unprivileged user get to do?
[05:57] <gmcastil> Temagic: yes, its straightforward
[05:57] <Temagic> thx
[05:57] <WGGMk> bod_: no I have not, sometimes restarting the system will fix the issue, but sometimes it will stick around
[05:57] <jwelcher> gmcastil: thx. there is a logrotate in there kicked off daily, but in /etc/cron.daily, there is also a sysklogd that does it's own thing.
[05:57] <seacat> Temagic, Just put the Ubuntu CD in and do the install.  Nothing out of the ordinary.
[05:57] <WGGMk> bod_: i previously had Pidgin set to automatic (sound) but just changed it to ALSA and it did not make a difference
[05:57] <bod_> WGGMk, does it ever die out of the blue, while listening to music or something?
[05:57] <wsguede> poningru: what does an unprivileged user get to do?
[05:58] <gmcastil> Temagic: if you haven't already, i'd recommend making multiple partitions (one for /home, /, /boot, and swap)
[05:58] <David37> hmm i could read hsystemx but i guess he couldnt read me
[05:58] <WGGMk> bod_: not that I recall no
[05:58] <Tensop> naffy-duck: grub will let you dual boot, as long as you dont destroy the other o/s during install
[05:58] <Temagic> gmcastil: I have on opensuse, but I recon the ubuntu setup will do this for me, or?
[05:58] <gmcastil> naffy-duck: you typically need to have windows installed first so that grub can squeeze it off to the side
[05:58] <naffy-duck> Tensop grub being/
[05:58] <bod_> WGGMk, ok,. can you pastebin your output for     lspci
[05:58] <sk8deamon> how do u create somethign like ubuntu from scratch
[05:58] <naffy-duck> ?
[05:58] <Tensop> grub is a boot loader
[05:59] <procrastinator> does anyone know how to resolve this error: http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/2622/screenshotgnomemountmm7.png  (trying to mount an onboard raid)
[05:59] <WGGMk> bod_: sure, gimme 2
[05:59] <naffy-duck> k, tks
[05:59] <gmcastil> Temagic: yeah, the ubuntu instlaler will ask you if you want to do your drives manually - say yes, then sort out the linux partitions the way you want to
[05:59] <seacat> sk8deamon,  you want to roll your own distro?
[05:59] <czr> sk8deamon, google for 'linux from scratch' and reverse endless amount of time and patience.
[05:59] <gmcastil> Temagic: just don't delete the nfs pratitoin
[05:59] <czr> sk8deamon, reserve even :-)
[05:59] <jwelcher> gmcastil: Thanks for your help. Ha ha, there is a perl script: /usr/sbin/syslogd-listfiles that parses /etc/syslog.conf.... oh man... well, that answers my question.
[05:59] <gmcastil> czr: i ran LFS for about a year....i liked it, but its HARD
[05:59] <naffy-duck> scuse me, i need to take a break and weep a little, tks for ur help mighty ones :)
[05:59] <gmcastil> jwelcher: :)
[05:59] <Temagic> ok,so then I delete the old linux partitions, and create new ones... will grub or whatever bootloader recognize that vista is installed and opensuse removed?
[06:00] <WGGMk> bod_: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54289/
[06:00] <czr> gmcastil, it's an educative experience :-)
[06:00] <gmcastil> Temagic: if the partitions you want to have already exist, you'll just format over the old ones
[06:00] <gmcastil> czr: Yes. It. Is.
[06:00] <Temagic> k
[06:00] <DJAdmiral> sk8deamon: ubuntu's not made from scratch.
[06:00] <wsguede> gmcastil: so if i wanted to ssh into my desktop from an outside ip, i would... ssh to (myIP)  ???
[06:00] <gmcastil> Temagic: pastebin fdisk if you like, i'l look at it
[06:00] <seacat> sk8deamon,  you want to roll your own distro?:  http://lifehacker.com/software/featured-linux-download/roll-your-own-ubuntu-live-cd-with-reconstructor-276092.php
[06:00] <gmcastil> ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:01] <DJAdmiral> sk8deamon: it's based on debian, and it's worked on by both a community and a full list of professional workers.
[06:01] <bod_> WGGMk,  how many lines are given as the output for this      lspci | grep audio
[06:01] <Temagic> gmcastil: please elaborate? I'm running off linux now, so no fdisk? Where do I find this information in linux, and where do I post it for you to see?
[06:01] <sk8deamon> thanks seacat
[06:01] <gmcastil> Temagic: you'll post it in the pastebin
[06:01] <sk8deamon> tahnks djadmiral
[06:01] <gmcastil> !pastebin > Temagic
[06:01] <WGGMk> bod_: i dont get any lines
[06:02] <DJAdmiral> However if you still insist on making your own distro from scratch with zero linux experience whatsoever, then feel free to try out www.linuxfromscratch.org
[06:02] <sk8deamon> lol
[06:02] <gmcastil> Temagic: su to root and run fdisk /dev/<hard drive> and then 'p'rint the partition table
[06:02] <bod_> WGGMk, do the command again with a capital A for Audio
[06:02] <Temagic> thanks, didn't know... I'll post in pastbin
[06:02] <sk8deamon> djadmiral can u talk privately
[06:02] <DJAdmiral> but be warned, there's a high chance of your system breaking if you don't know what you're doing >_<
[06:02] <gmcastil> LFS is madness if you've not used linux for a while
[06:03] <WGGMk> bod_: it only returns 1 line
[06:03] <czr> DJAdmiral, one could even say that if the system doesn't break, then LFS is a failure. failure = learning :-)
[06:03] <DJAdmiral> gmcastil: aye
[06:03] <gmcastil> it took me about a month of building to get a system that was usable
[06:03] <seacat> sk8deamon, Want to build  your own custom Linux  system, entirely from source code?: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
[06:03] <bod_> WGGMk, ok next question, why is your graphics card delivering you sound?
[06:03] <gmcastil> Temagic: yeah...you know how to use fdisk?
[06:03] <gmcastil> Temagic: you'll need to be root
[06:03] <DJAdmiral> czr, not to the extent when your machine becomes completely inoperable.
[06:04] <DJAdmiral> but yes, I agree with you up to a point
[06:04] <WGGMk> bod_: im not sure I have an answer for that, could it have anything to do with the fact that my machine is a laptop?
[06:04] <gmcastil> czr: well, actually, you'll probably not be able to boot the first time - you'll forget to build in IDE support
[06:04] <Temagic> unable to open /dev/hda
[06:04] <Temagic> lol
[06:04] <czr> gmcastil, plural you yes. not me :-)
[06:04] <DJAdmiral> sk8, I initiated a private chat with you
[06:04] <seacat> Temagic, sudo fdisk -l
[06:04] <gmcastil> Temagic: what device is your hard drive?
[06:04] <gmcastil> Temagic: and yeah, as root :)
[06:04] <sk8deamon> i am talking
[06:05] <sosus_> Has anyone ever had a problem with video playback in skype? The person I am talking to tells me that they can see me on my webcam, but I can't see their webcam, nor the image of my own webcam (although ekiga works fine)
[06:05] <sk8deamon> but guess i have to register or something
[06:05] <DJAdmiral> I'm not getting any replies.
[06:05] <Flannel> !register
[06:05] <ubotu> By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[06:05] <Temagic> ahhh... sda:)
[06:05] <bod_> WGGMk, yer,. but no,.,. lol,.,. ok,. type this in a terminal      alsamixer
[06:05] <DJAdmiral> yes, you have to register.
[06:05] <gmcastil> hehe
[06:05] <Flannel> DJAdmiral: you can /msg nickserv set unfiltered on
[06:05] <WGGMk> bod_: and then?
[06:05]  * czr hopes that soon one will not see /dev/hd* anymore
[06:05] <bod_> WGGMk, make sure none of those bars are muted
[06:06] <DJAdmiral> Thanks, Flannel
[06:06] <biouser> I lost my downloads in firefox.  They always came to the desktop now the download window doesn't come up and I can't find the file
[06:06] <gmcastil> czr: i really hate the whole UUID thing that ubuntu is hooked on
[06:06] <gmcastil> biouser: probably in ~/Desktop
[06:06] <WGGMk> bod_: how would I be able to determine that? is this the same as double clicking on the volume indicator in the taskbar?
[06:07] <czr> gmcastil, I like it personally. labels would have been better for desktop use, but UUID is technically more elegant. but that's just me :-)
[06:07] <gmcastil> biouser: or, you can just open a terminal and do: find | grep <filename>
[06:07] <biouser> I lost my downloads in firefox.  They always came to the desktop.  Now, the download window doesn't come up and I can't find the file.
[06:07] <seacat> biouser, Edit -> Preferences ->
[06:07] <Temagic> gmcastil: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54290/
[06:07] <gmcastil> czr: yeah, i agree with the elegant bit, but it frustated me a lot when i first installed this weekend
[06:07] <czr> gmcastil, heh, I know that feeling :-)
[06:07] <biouser> gmcastil, thanks, not in /Desktop though.  THanks fo the grep syntax
[06:07] <gmcastil> Temagic: yeah dude - you'r ein good shape
[06:08] <Temagic> ;)
[06:08] <gmcastil> biouser: not /Desktop - ~/Desktop
[06:08] <Temagic> good
[06:08] <gmcastil> Temagic: just make sure that yo udon't format the NTFS or /home partitions
[06:08] <biouser> gmcastil, yeah, that's what I meant
[06:08] <bod_> WGGMk, this is gonna sound weird,.,. copy and paste the screen after youve typed alsamixer into pastebin
[06:08] <biouser> seacat, I'm listening
[06:09] <hsystemxX> kubuntu channel is patetic...
[06:09] <seacat> biouser, Edit -> Preferences -> Main tab.... change as needed...
[06:09] <Temagic> hmmm... /home ? is that a linux partition? which is currently occupied by opensuse...?
[06:09] <gmcastil> Temagic: one little warning, before you instal - rename your home directory something else, say...  "mv -v /home/Temagic /home/Temagic.old"
[06:09] <WGGMk> bod_: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54291/
[06:09] <jscinoz> Hey guys, im runing 7.10 with compiz, and it seems to be fine, ie fast and stable, except for one thing. When im running a 3d application, if something causes that application to lose focus, ie a pidgin guification or a rhythmbox bubble thing, my entire system hangs and needs a hard reboot, what can i do?
[06:09] <biouser> seacat, supposedly going to ~/Desktop and show downloads
[06:10] <gmcastil> biouser: open firefox and press Ctrl-Y
[06:10] <Temagic> gmcastil: I have absolutely no files on opensuse that I need to save... is renaming home still apllicable?
[06:10] <seacat> biouser, To the Desktop is the default setting, but change it to how-ever you want.
[06:10] <gmcastil> Temagic: yeah, the .X...  files can sometimes screw things up
[06:10] <Temagic> k
[06:10] <gmcastil> biouser: it'll show you in the dialog box where files are being downloaded
[06:10] <bod_> WGGMk, increse the first bar and the second to last bar to over half way up
[06:11] <biouser> gmcastil, thanks for the tip.  so, it's not downloading recently for some reason
[06:11] <Temagic> where do I put in the command: mv -v /home/Temagic /home/Temagic.old
[06:11] <Temagic> ?
[06:11] <WGGMk> bod_: the master and PCM? they are both at 100
[06:11] <gmcastil> Temagic: the terminal
[06:11] <gmcastil> Temagic: you'll need to sudo it
[06:11] <Temagic> while running opensuse?
[06:11] <gmcastil> Temagic: plus, you want a clean home directory - then just change the permissions and get what you want
[06:11] <gmcastil> Temagic: yeah
[06:11] <biouser> gmcastil, seacat 'open with' works but not save to disk
[06:11] <seacat> biouser, Did you understand the instructions I gave you?
[06:12] <bod_> WGGMk, oh, ok,. hang on im just looking for another command,. gimme a sec
[06:12] <biouser> seacat, yes, I did all that
[06:12] <WGGMk> bod_: k
[06:12] <gmcastil> Temagic: what would be better is to just reformat /home, if you don't need anything on it
[06:13] <kylix13> hello, all. I am a new user for Ubuntu, It doen't have manual for the function fread(). How can I get it ? It doesn't have all libc user manuals and system call user manuals.
[06:13] <Temagic> isn't it possible to completely wipe the linux partitions during the install of ubuntu? or should I do it from windows first, and restore the mbr, and then install ubuntu? Yeah, I don't need anything from my linux partitions, I only tried to get opensuse to work, and failed:) so, I'llbe starting from scratch
[06:13] <Guest56221> yo got a quick question, I have irssi running right now but I got out of the terminal program where it was running in, how would I go about opening a new terminal and bringing the program back to the front
[06:13] <biouser> gmcastil, when I 'open with' the file goes to ~tmp and I can view it fine and it shows up in the downloads.  But, if I 'save to disk' nothing happens
[06:13] <gmcastil> kylix13: hehe
[06:13] <Flannel> Temagic: yeah.  Just reinstall, and slash and burn
[06:13] <cEw_eSemP_niEzZ> hy
[06:13] <seacat> biouser, Did you check the option:  "Show the Downloads window when downloading file" ?
[06:13] <biouser> seacat, yes, and that works if i choose to open the file
[06:13] <kylix13> gmcastil: would you help me ?
[06:14] <Temagic> Flannel: will the bootloader of ubuntu pick up that opensuse has been cast to hell?
[06:14] <gmcastil> Temagic: ubuntu will take care of everything
[06:14] <Temagic> ok, thanks
[06:14] <Flannel> Temagic: It may, it may not.  It won't be a problem if it still has the SuSe stuff
[06:14] <gmcastil> Temagic: just make sure that you assign the mount points correctly
[06:14] <bod_> WGGMk, type this          asoundconf set-default-card MCP51
[06:15] <seacat> biouser, If you right-click on a link, you will get context menu with several options
[06:15] <ldrebs_5> is anyone here familiar with apollon?
[06:15] <Temagic> ok, I think Iæ'll be able to do that... 24% of ubuntu downloaded... I'm getting excited:)
[06:15] <WGGMk> bod_: should it return anything?
[06:15] <seacat> biouser, One being "Save Link as..."
[06:15] <gmcastil> wow....i'm trashed
[06:15] <bod_> WGGMk, if the command is succesfull,.,.no
[06:15] <biouser> seacat, right
[06:15] <gmcastil> i drank a whole bottle of cote de rhone
[06:15] <seacat> biouser, Ok, that should do it, right?
[06:15] <ldrebs_4> is anyone familiar with apollon
[06:15] <Flannel> !offtopic | gmcastil
[06:15] <ubotu> gmcastil: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[06:16] <WGGMk> bod_: then it was successful i suppose
[06:16] <BodOmLaW> right now im on the running ubuntu live cause i cant get dmraid to work, can anybody help me?
[06:16] <bod_> WGGMk, good,. 1 sec
[06:16] <gmcastil> Flannel: i'm not in the mood for a reprimand
[06:16] <BodOmLaW> right now im on the running ubuntu live cause i cant get dmraid to work, can anybody help me?
[06:17] <ldrebs> can anyone help me with apollon
[06:17] <Flannel> gmcastil: Then go to #ubuntu-offtopic and be belligerent
[06:17] <biouser> I need to change the permissions on ~/Desktop for some reason
[06:17] <bod_> WGGMk, type this        cat /proc/asound/cards                 and pastebin the output
[06:17] <seacat> BodOmLaW, It works like this:  You ask specific questions, you get specific answers.
[06:17] <biouser> the owner is root and I think I need to give myself access
[06:17] <BodOmLaW> lol right
[06:17] <BodOmLaW> uh
[06:18] <gmcastil> biouser: open a terminal, then: "chown biouser:biouser -Rv ~/Desktop
[06:18] <ldrebs> My apollon will not connect to the networks, all it ever says is connecting.... What could be causing this?
[06:18] <gmcastil> Flannel: go die in a fire
[06:18] <seacat> biouser,  Access to what?
[06:18] <PKdoR> What foldr are my apps installed to?
[06:18] <astro76> !coc | gmcastil
[06:18] <ubotu> gmcastil: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[06:18] <gmcastil> biouser: how did it get root ownership/
[06:18] <WGGMk> bod_: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54294/
[06:18] <gmcastil> ?
[06:18] <bod_> gmcastil, please keep it polite
 no good deed goes unpunished
[06:19] <gmcastil> PKdoR: file structure in linux is very different than in windows
[06:19] <biouser> gmcastil, I don't know how that happened.  But, changing the ownership did work just now
[06:19] <ldrebs> My apollon will not connect to the networks, all it ever says is connecting.... What could be causing this?
[06:19] <gmcastil> biouser: you go it?
[06:19] <wers> how do I edit the properties of the SLAB/gnome-main-menu?
[06:19] <Guest56221> so there is no way to bring a program back to the front of the terminal after exiting the terminal?
[06:19] <gmcastil> PKdoR: programs aren't installed in a direcory like in windows - different types of files go to different places
[06:19] <biouser> gmcastil, brilliant!  thank you so much!
[06:19] <gmcastil> biouser: yup
[06:19] <gmcastil> anytime
[06:19] <seacat> biouser, What are permissions now?    ls -l ~/Desktop
[06:19] <bod_> WGGMk, do you have sound atm?
[06:20] <ldrebs> gmcastil....are you familiar with apollon?
[06:20] <biouser> gmcastil, that is pretty strange
[06:20] <gmcastil> ldrebs: no...i'd just google it if i wanted to know about it, i've never heard of it
[06:20] <crdlb> GerrySly: use screen
[06:20] <sosus_> does anyone know how to get incoming video in skype to work? my webcam is working, but I cant see who I'm talking to
[06:20] <ldrebs> I did....i've come to the end
[06:20] <BodOmLaW> when doing the manual partition setup in ubuntu what kind of partitions am I supposed to have?
[06:20] <gmcastil> PKdoR: binaries go to /bin and /usr/bin, libraries go to /lib and /usr/lib, etc....
[06:20] <gmcastil> PKdoR: is there something more specific you were asking?
[06:20] <PKdoR> I need to manuallu remove a en extencion from fire fox but cat find the folder
[06:20] <GerrySly> yeah but how do I open a screen when I have closed the terminal
[06:20] <ldrebs> and all is working accept it just won't finalize its connection
[06:20] <BodOmLaW> when doing the manual partition setup in ubuntu what kind of partitions am I supposed to have?
[06:20] <gmcastil> ldrebs: firewalling?
[06:20] <biouser> seacat, my user
[06:20] <crdlb> GerrySly: that irssi is gone
[06:21] <WGGMk> bod_: negative
[06:21] <ldrebs> no I have a forwarded port
[06:21] <ldrebs> through the router
[06:21] <GerrySly> but the user is still logged into the irc
[06:21] <gmcastil> ldrebs: iptables?
[06:21] <gmcastil> ldrebs: linux has kernel level packet filtering
[06:21] <biouser> BodOmLaW, you need an ext for / and a small linux-swap partition
[06:21] <seacat> BodOmLaW, You should do auto partitioning.
[06:21] <crdlb> GerrySly: if irssi somehow stayed running, you could manually kill the process, otherwise you'll just have to wait for it to time out (or ghost the nick if you registered it)
[06:21] <ldrebs> yea....so how do I fix that
[06:21] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: i don't agree with auto-partitioning
[06:22] <BodOmLaW> but i want raid
[06:22] <GerrySly> yeah so there is no way to open back the program
[06:22] <gmcastil> ldrebs: sudo iptables --flush
[06:22] <crdlb> GerrySly: unless you run it in screen
[06:22] <BodOmLaW> if not my xp partition will have 250gb and that is useless
[06:22] <ldrebs> and what should I expect with that
[06:22] <gmcastil> ldrebs: you should expec it to work
[06:22] <Temagic> can ubuntu read and write ntfs partitions?
[06:22] <gmcastil> Temagic: yes
[06:22] <Temagic> cool
[06:23] <ldrebs> do I apt-get that
[06:23] <bod_> WGGMk, this is odd,.,. in the top right corner, theres a pic of a speaker, is it muted? right click on it and open volume control then go-->File-->change device,.,. how many choices have you got?
[06:23] <ldrebs> the sudo command itself said not found
[06:23] <seacat> ldrebs, It will flush out all iptables rules
[06:23] <GerrySly> god damn it
[06:23] <gmcastil> ldrebs: if it works after that, then reconfigure your firewall - that command i gave you is just a temp
[06:23] <seacat> GerrySly, That's not His last name.
[06:23] <WGGMk> bod_: no its not muted, 2 options.. Alsa Mixer & OSS Mixer
[06:23] <BodOmLaW> what would i do to get a partition that both xp and ubuntu could r/w?
[06:23] <gmcastil> Temagic: more accurately - the linux kernel supports ntfs reads/writes...whether ubuntu's kernel does, i don't know
[06:24] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: fat32 works pretty well for that sotr of thing
[06:24] <bod_> WGGMk, which one is it using?
[06:24] <gmcastil> wow...i'm pretty hammered right now
[06:24] <WGGMk> bod_: Alsa
[06:24] <BodOmLaW> how many gigs can fat32 support?
[06:24] <gmcastil> a lot
[06:24] <BodOmLaW> kk
[06:24] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: lemme google...hang on
[06:24] <PKdoR> I need to manually remove the FEBE and CLEO Extencions from firefox cause if I uninstallthem trhou fire fox it still leave the setting for them
[06:24] <jdh6403> god firestarter is easy to use
[06:24] <BodOmLaW> as long as its over 10gb
[06:24] <farid> could somebody help me with a sound problem
[06:24] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: ....oh, well, yeah, it is
[06:24]  * jdh6403 huggles his ubuntu
[06:25] <PKdoR> so I need to RM the extencions
[06:25] <BodOmLaW> great
[06:25] <bod_> WGGMk, well im stumped,.,. you seem to have a nVidia sound card, but no sound,.,.hhhmmm,. sorry i dont hink i can help much more,. try asking about again
[06:25] <ldrebs> with the command nothing happened on the surface, just started another line in terminal
[06:25] <Aloha> i just spent 2 hours trying to configure my ISA sound card. I'm giving in and buying a PCI
[06:25] <BodOmLaW> should i be using ext2 or 3?>
[06:25] <gmcastil> PKdoR: move .mozilla .mozilla.org
[06:25] <gmcastil> PKdoR: err.....   mv -v ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla.bak
[06:25] <BodOmLaW> should i be using ext2 or 3?
[06:25] <seacat> BodOmLaW, For what?
[06:25] <BodOmLaW> for my primary
[06:25] <seacat> BodOmLaW, ext3
[06:25] <Temagic> k... last question (for a while...) I'm thinking of a setup of four partitions: 1. Vista 2. Linux, ubuntu 3: Linux, Swap, 4: UserData, NTFS. So, how much space should I allocate to the ubuntu partition, that will contain all the ubuntu programs, but no userfiles (pictures, spreadsheets, videos, mp3s etc.) ?
[06:25] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: ext3
[06:25] <flyback> n #electronics
[06:26] <cvd> firestarter alert me when something wanna out/in?
[06:26] <WGGMk> bod_: thanks for the help, im thinking about possibly reinstalling because ive come across some other issues that just "shouldnt" happen as well, i appreciate you assistance
[06:26] <BodOmLaW> k
[06:26] <darth_chatri> how do i get rid if the splash screen during bootup?
[06:26] <gmcastil> darth_chatri: remove the splash option in the boot params
[06:26] <bod_> WGGMk, ok,.,.no probs,. sorry i couldnt fix it
[06:26] <darth_chatri> i've got rid of the splash screen, but i cant see the boot messages
[06:26] <seacat> darth_chatri, Esc
[06:26] <BodOmLaW> so i need root, swap, and main?
[06:26] <WGGMk> bod_: its all gravy baby lol
[06:26] <cvd> like 'Firefox is trying to connect to the internet, allow it"?
[06:26] <Aloha> is there a supported hardware list?
[06:26]  * bod_ smiles ;)
[06:26] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: no...you typically want /home on a different partition
[06:27] <bod_> cvd, yes allow firefox to connect to the internet
[06:27] <darth_chatri> seacat, ok thanks, i'll try that
[06:27] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: then, the rest doesn't really matter that much
[06:27] <Mike__> what room should I ask about nvidia driver problems?
[06:27] <gmcastil> Mike__: google
[06:27] <seacat> BodOmLaW,  swap    /     /home
[06:27] <BodOmLaW> k
[06:27] <Mike__> gee gmcastil, that is so helpful
[06:27] <bod_> Mike__, if its nvidia drivers on ubuntu, you can ask in here
[06:27] <gmcastil> Temagic: i prefer to have 4 partitions - a /home, swap, /, and a /boot
[06:27] <ldrebs> gmcastil you're brilliant
[06:28] <gmcastil> ldrebs: did it work?
[06:28] <ldrebs> although it still won't connect
[06:28] <gmcastil> ...
[06:28] <gmcastil> but, you got different results?
[06:28] <seacat> BodOmLaW, or:    swap   /     /home   /usr    /var      etc. etc.
[06:28] <Temagic> gmcastil: could you please explain the functions of those four partitions?
[06:28] <j_humphrey> is it possible to make a live usb on vista without a cd?
[06:28] <ldrebs> when I entered the command nothing really happened
[06:28]  * gmcastil motions everyone to listen up!
[06:28] <cvd> cuz i have firestarter but never alert me of nothing
[06:28] <ldrebs> I put in my system password, but a new line of of command in terminal popped up
[06:28] <Mike__> thanks bod, I have 7.10 ubuntu, geforce 6600, when I load the Nvidia Drivers, I get API number mismatch, until i run modprobe -r nvidia, but it doesnt hold over between boots
[06:28] <BodOmLaW> why are the others optional?
[06:29] <gmcastil> Temagic: /boot - around 32 MB, the kernel, boot config files, and some other small stuff are here
[06:29] <cvd> WHere is the ubuntu default usplash located?
[06:29] <Temagic> k
[06:29] <ldrebs> by the way, I'm using Gutsy
[06:29] <seacat> j_humphrey,   /  is root directory    swap  is swap       /home   is home    etc...
[06:29] <gmcastil> Temagic: / - the root filesystem, /bin, /var, /root, /usr, /lib will all be on here - this is where 'the system' is stored at
[06:29] <sapperjanko1> hey all, im back, i think i stuffed something up here... was told to go into sudo nano -w /etc/sudoers, and put the user in under permissions.. but now im gettin this line...>>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 24 <<< - sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 24
[06:29] <Temagic> k
[06:30] <j_humphrey> gmcastil, so if i unzip the iso image onto a usb, it should boot?
[06:30] <gmcastil> Temagic: swap  -  just what it sounds like, the swap partition - should be 2X the amount of physical memory you have - yes, mine really is 8 GB
[06:30] <gmcastil> j_humphrey: no, it won't - you have to make it bootable
[06:30] <Temagic> dunno:)
[06:30] <Flannel> Temagic: Make boot 500MB
[06:30] <Mike__> sapperjankol: were you not just suppose to add the user to the admin group?
[06:30] <j_humphrey> gmcastil, how do i do that on windows?
[06:30] <Flannel> Temagic: 256 is probably fine too, but 32MB is too small.
[06:30] <BodOmLaW> seacat say i have 400gb how big should all those partitions be (/ /home swap)
[06:30] <gmcastil> j_humphrey: no idea, i don't use windows
[06:30] <sapperjanko1> Mike_:yea thats what i did
[06:31] <gmcastil> Temagic: /home - the home directory - where all your pictures, moves, music, pr0n, will go
[06:31] <Mike__> sapperjankol, pastebin your sudoer?
[06:31] <ldrebs> gmcastil: Where should I go since the iptables didn't work?
[06:31] <seacat> BodOmLaW, That's up to you.  If you only need 3 or 4 kernels,  /boot can be 200MB or less.
[06:31] <gmcastil> Temagic: the reason you want home separate is so that, after a reinstall and upgrard, you don't have to wipe out your /home directory
[06:31] <sapperjanko1> Mike__: its not letting me get back into it
[06:31] <Temagic> so, can I live without the /home partition, if I will be using a ntfs partition to share files between linux and windows?
[06:31] <gmcastil> good god - /boot should be a MAX of 32 mb
[06:32] <Flannel> sapperjanko1: when you type "groups" on that user, are you part of admin?
[06:32] <gmcastil> Temagic: you _can_, but its not recommended
[06:32] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: swap - 2X your available memory
[06:32] <seacat> BodOmLaW,   /home   can be as small or large as you see fit, depending on what you will do with your computer, what files you might or might not save.
[06:32] <BodOmLaW> who said to make a /boot partition i was just told i only needed root home and swap
[06:32] <Temagic> o.k. can I have /home and / on the same partition then?
[06:32] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW:  you odn't have to
[06:32] <sapperjanko1> Mike__:http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54297/
[06:32] <Flannel> BodOmLaW: You really don't need a /boot
[06:32] <BodOmLaW> ok ok
[06:32] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: and, i wouldn't do it for you
[06:32] <crdlb> Temagic: yes you can, that's how ubuntu does it by default
[06:32] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: i do it becuase of old habits
[06:32] <j_humphrey> gmcastil, if i make the usb bootable, and unzip the iso to the usb drive, will it boot then?
[06:33] <BodOmLaW> and the root should be?
[06:33] <seacat> BodOmLaW,    /     should be no less than 3 gig, (less than 2 gig and you'll fill it almost up upon install)
[06:33] <Mike__> thats a pastevin of the error
[06:33] <gmcastil> j_humphrey: no - the iso is an image of some sort - you need to burn the iso to the media
[06:33] <sapperjanko1> Flannel: im pretty sure i am apart of the adm group :S
[06:33] <gmcastil> i made my / 10 GB
[06:33] <ldrebs> anyone else familiar with apollon?
[06:33] <BodOmLaW> ok
[06:33] <Flannel> sapperjanko1: not adm, admin
[06:33] <BodOmLaW> thank you
[06:33] <Mike__> not adm, admin
[06:33] <Mike__> different groups
[06:33] <Mike__> lol
[06:33] <Temagic> ok... so I'll have a SMALL /boot, another partition containing / and /home, and a third (ntfs) for storing files...
[06:33] <BodOmLaW> im sure ill have more questions in a moment
[06:33] <seacat> BodOmLaW, Just portion it out as you see fit, depending on the size of the drive(s).
[06:33] <gmcastil> temagic BodOmLaW: i'll pastebin my drive
[06:34] <gmcastil> shit...
[06:34] <gmcastil> !pastebin
[06:34] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:34] <seacat> BodOmLaW, How bid is the drive?  How many partitions are you going to use?
[06:34] <bod_> guys,. i accidently removed the volume control icon from the taskbar,. i added it again but i cant move it back to the original position,.,.any ideas?
[06:34] <Flannel> !language | gmcastil
[06:34] <ubotu> gmcastil: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[06:34] <Temagic> so, the question remains, how much space does a typical ubuntu setup use, with all good programs installed... will I be fine with 10 or 20 GB?
[06:34] <sapperjanko1> well when i log into webmin, under that user the Primary group is travis, n the Secondary is adm (4)
[06:34] <drgeb> what program can I use to make a blind copy ?
[06:34] <Mike__> ubuntu kernel module problems?
[06:34] <Mike__> nvidia
[06:34] <seacat>   BodOmLaW   Ask yourself  ^^^
[06:34] <Flannel> sapperjanko1: 10GB should be fine.  20GB is definately sufficient
[06:35] <DJAdmiral> the flash install still broken?
[06:35] <drgeb> that was dumb sorry. what program can I use to make a blind copy of a CD to a harddrive ?
[06:35] <bod_> DJAdmiral, yes,. but there are now fixes&workarounds
[06:35] <sapperjanko1> Flannel: i think ya meant Temagic there LOL
[06:35] <Temagic> k... 10GB then
[06:35] <seacat> drgeb, "blind copy"?
[06:35] <Flannel> sapperjanko1: You're right.  You were just real close to each other.
[06:35] <Temagic> thank you all for all your help... greatly appriciated!
[06:36] <Temagic> 33% downloaded now...
[06:36] <drgeb> seacat an exact binary copy
[06:36] <bod_> drgeb, do you mean an iso image?
[06:36] <seacat> drgeb, Do you want to make an ISO image of the CD on your hard drive?  So that you can burn a CD later on?
[06:36] <VvWolverinevV> hi, can anyone help me with some gutsy-to-xp networking troubles?  i posted details here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=684366
[06:36] <BodOmLaW> ok root 10gb, home 460+, swap 4gb
[06:36] <BodOmLaW> sound right
[06:37] <qarl> can anyone recommend a lightweight IMAP mail server?
[06:37] <gmcastil> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54299/
[06:37] <drgeb> seacat these cd's are all audio files. so I have a backup
[06:37] <gmcastil> that's after a pretty standard xubuntu install (no KDE)
[06:37] <drgeb> seacat I just played with cdparanoia and then created a raw file. I ran in 4 times and then did an md5sum of the 4 files and compared them and they were equal but
[06:37] <seacat> BodOmLaW,   460+ ?   Is that 460G?
[06:37] <BodOmLaW> gb=*
[06:37] <gmcastil> Disk /dev/sda: 100.0 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>16 bytes
[06:37] <gmcastil> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 12161 cylinders
[06:37] <gmcastil> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[06:37] <gmcastil> Disk identifier: 0x0006f2ec
[06:37] <gmcastil>
[06:37] <FloodBot3> gmcastil: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:37] <gmcastil>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[06:38] <Mike__> do i have to run modprobe -r nvidia on every boot?
[06:38] <BodOmLaW> 460gb=**
[06:38] <BodOmLaW> lol
[06:38] <bod_> drgeb, im confused what do you mean by a "blind copy"??
[06:38] <m0dY> hey, how can i know the number of bytes per inode of a certain partition or a certain hard disk ?
[06:38] <seacat> BodOmLaW, What size is the HD?
[06:38] <bod_> !pastebin | gmcastil
[06:38] <drgeb> bod_ an exact binary replica of the CD
[06:38] <sapperjanko1> does this make any sence 2 you guys..... ubuntu : Feb  1 17:31:45 : travis : parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 24 ; TTY=pts/0
[06:38] <BodOmLaW> 2x 250
[06:38] <sapperjanko1> ; PWD=/var/www ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/bin/nano -w /etc/sudoers
[06:38] <Flannel> drgeb: you want to create an iso from your CD
[06:38] <drgeb> seacat then I found out about k3b and tried this but when I compared the raw file with that off cdparanioa they were different
[06:38] <bod_> drgeb, you want to make an exact copy of a cd?
[06:38] <seacat> drgeb, What is on the CD?
[06:38] <BodOmLaW> but it adds up to 466
[06:38] <ubotu> gmcastil: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:38] <BodOmLaW> i got ripped off like 33gb
[06:39] <drgeb> seacat alll the CD's are audio cd's
[06:39] <BodOmLaW> 34gb i mean
[06:39] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: 33gb is probalby in a hidden pratition
[06:39] <Temagic> gmcastil: cool. thanks
[06:39] <gmcastil> Temagic: yeah, does that help?
[06:39] <BodOmLaW> hidden by who?
[06:39] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: manufacturer
[06:39] <Flannel> BodOmLaW: GiB vs GB
[06:39] <Temagic> yeah...
[06:39] <sapperjanko1> the boggy man :P
[06:39] <bod_> drgeb,  but you want an axact copy of them? i think you mean an iso
[06:39] <m0dY> how can i know the number of bytes per inode of a certain partition or a certain hard disk ?
[06:39] <seacat> drgeb, Then you want to rip the CD and put .wav files on your HD?
[06:39] <BodOmLaW> why would they do that?
[06:39] <BodOmLaW> what purpose?
[06:39] <Temagic> recon I'll be using / and /home on the same partition though, as I doubt I can mount /home on a ntfs partition?
[06:39] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: system restore information is often put there
[06:40] <VvWolverinevV> hi, can anyone help me with some gutsy-to-xp networking troubles?  i posted details here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=684366
[06:40] <bod_> seacat, do you understand his question?
[06:40] <seacat> drgeb, Use CD ripper:  like sound juicer or...
[06:40] <bod_> !repeat | VvWolverinevV
[06:40] <ubotu> VvWolverinevV: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[06:40] <BodOmLaW> i think this is actually working this time
[06:40] <Flannel> BodOmLaW: HDD mfcs measure in GB (1000000 Bytes), your OS uses GiB (1048576B)
[06:40] <drgeb> seacat yes step 1 from cd to (raw or iso) step2 from (raw or iso ) to mp3 or flac or whatever. step 3 get a slingbox so I can stream this to my highend fidelity audio system
[06:40] <BodOmLaW> really
[06:40] <seacat> bod_,  He wants to rip music CDs I think.
[06:41] <Mike__> do i have to run modprobe -r nvidia on every boot?
[06:41] <BodOmLaW> no gigabytes?
[06:41] <gmcastil> Mike__: no
[06:41] <Mike__> gmcastil, what will make it hold?
[06:41] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: what he's sayings is that 1 GB !=<PHONE_NUMBER>
[06:41] <bod_> drgeb, just explore the cd, copy the files onto your drive, then use a converter to get them to the correct format
[06:41] <gmcastil> Mike__: man modprobe.conf
[06:41] <BodOmLaW> ic
[06:41] <Flannel> BodOmLaW: Gigabytes as far as HDD is concerned is 10^6, GibiBytes is 1024*1024 bytes.  One is binaryish, one is decimal.
[06:41] <drgeb> seacat soundjuice immediately goes to mp3 so I don't have an exact image backup copy of the cd itself
[06:41] <bod_> seacat, confusing way of saying that,.,.lol
[06:42] <seacat> drgeb, Applications --> Sound Juicer
[06:42] <BodOmLaW> ok i see
[06:42] <drgeb> bod_ what ISO copy programs are there for linux ?
[06:42]  * VvWolverinevV apologizes to bod_
[06:42]  * bod_ says thankyou, and just be patient ;)
[06:42] <drgeb> seacat I know about sound juicer but this is not exactly what I am looking for
[06:42] <gmcastil> wow...3 wisemen are evil
[06:42] <seacat> drgeb, Is that what you want?
[06:42] <BodOmLaW> so now that i have my partitions i install?
[06:42] <seacat> drgeb, sudo apt-get install grip
[06:43] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: actualy, the installer will elt you do all that stuff yourself in it too
[06:43] <Flannel> BodOmLaW: You actually create the partitions in the installer, usually.
[06:43] <imaginal> drgeb: is wav exact enough for you?
[06:43] <BodOmLaW> yes, but i found it a little easier with gparted cause ive been playing with it all night
[06:43] <rctmcl> and practice sodomy
[06:43] <seacat> drgeb, grip - GNOME-based CD-player/ripper/encoder
[06:43] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: with a little bit of time, you'l find that command line utilities like fdisk are a lot faster and easier
[06:44] <PKdoR> mk is the make directory command right?
[06:44] <seacat> PKdoR, mkdir
[06:44] <mazev> PKdoR: mkdir
[06:44] <joseph> using ubuntu for my first time!
[06:44] <bod_> BodOmLaW, the command line is your bestest friend ;)
[06:44] <joseph> love it
[06:44] <gmcastil> PKdoR: mkdirasdfasdf
[06:44] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: its true...you'll never really statr understanding linux until you use the comand line
[06:44] <seacat> joseph,  congradulations!  :)
[06:44] <BodOmLaW> im a newb!
[06:44] <Mike__> gmcastil, should I blacklist it then?
[06:44] <PKdoR> sudo mkdir /usr/lib/firefox/searchplugins
[06:44] <PKdoR> is that right
[06:44] <PKdoR> ?
[06:45] <gmcastil> PKdoR: what are you doing and why?
[06:45] <bod_> BodOmLaW, so,. he's still your friend   ;),.,.
[06:45] <BodOmLaW> ok
[06:45] <seacat> PKdoR, Yes that is right syntax
[06:45] <joseph> i have one question though... i don't see like half the applications that are checked off in the add/remove applications in the applications folder
[06:45]  * gmcastil abhors the word 'folder'
[06:45] <PKdoR> I have previouslly saved seach pluggins that I would like to import to ubuntu firefox
[06:45] <bod_> BodOmLaW, as you learn how things work you will realise that the command line is indispensable
[06:45] <BodOmLaW> i do use terminal for sudo dmraid -ay
[06:45] <Mike__> gmcastil, the people at #nvidia say its a ubuntu kernel module bug, I am not sure what I am looking for
[06:45] <BodOmLaW> to refresh
[06:45] <gmcastil> PKdoR: you can do it in your home directory - that would be wizer, i think
[06:46] <seacat> joseph, What is your question?
[06:46] <PKdoR> they are in really>?
[06:46] <PKdoR> how would I go about that then./
[06:46] <bod_> BodOmLaW, which program do you use to listen to music?
[06:46] <gmcastil> Mike__: yeah, the ubuntu module is broken - you'll need to compile your own from source or wait until a patch comes out (which outht to be soon)
[06:46] <BodOmLaW> in xp it was itunes
[06:46] <BodOmLaW> but
[06:46] <BodOmLaW> now im gonna switch to songbird
[06:46] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: i use xmms, but there are a lot of other choices
[06:46] <BodOmLaW> some good mozzila stuff
[06:46] <tinman> I am getting a large number of errors after I had a boot problem ( i ran e2fsck through live cd) one of the error Failed to execute program /usr/lib/gnome-control-center/gnome-settings-daemon: Permission denied
[06:47] <bod_> BodOmLaW, i suggest trying amarok,.,. do you have songbird installed atm?
[06:47] <seacat> BodOmLaW, xmms  mpg123    etc. etc.
[06:47] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: mpg123 is for kings
[06:47] <BodOmLaW> im on live right now
[06:47] <gmcastil> bash + mp3 ftw
[06:47] <PKdoR> I think I just found out how
[06:47] <Mike__> gmcastil, which module are we talking about here, I compiled the nvidia module from source
[06:47] <joseph> seacat- i don't see like half the applications that are checked off in the add/remove applications in the applications folder
[06:47] <BodOmLaW> so if i did install my music is on a bunch of disks beside me
[06:47] <gmcastil> joseph: quit spamming
[06:47] <bod_> BodOmLaW, try typing     totem      in a terminal,.,.
[06:47] <BodOmLaW> ? why
[06:47] <PKdoR> the settings are in ."folder name" right?
[06:48] <tinman> I am getting around 12 errors in total
[06:48] <BodOmLaW> what is totem?
[06:48] <gmcastil> PKdoR: yeah, usually
[06:48] <bod_> BodOmLaW, it will load a music/video player
[06:48] <PKdoR> ok
[06:48] <seacat> BodOmLaW, Totem is a video player
[06:48] <gmcastil> PKdoR: thats the normal place for applications to stash user level stuff
[06:48] <BodOmLaW> can i stream music?
[06:48] <bod_> yes
[06:48] <PKdoR> nice
[06:48] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: yeah
[06:48] <BodOmLaW> or do i have to have my own
[06:48] <BodOmLaW> off the internet?
[06:48] <BodOmLaW> or off disk
[06:48] <seacat> BodOmLaW, Sure...
[06:49] <sosus_> does anyone know how to get incoming video in skype to work? my webcam is working, but I cant see who I'm talking to
[06:49] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: there rreally ain't much you can't do in linux that you can do in windows, it just takes a little more effort and understanding
[06:49] <gmcastil> hey guys...i have to apologize if i'm being a dick....i'm completely trashed
[06:49]  * imaginal writes on gmcastil with a sharpee
[06:49] <gmcastil> i've no idea what i've told anyone tonight...hopefully, i'm being helpful
[06:50] <bod_> gmcastil, please control your urge to tell us things like this,.,. just be polite and we'll have no problems
[06:50] <seacat> gmcastil, BodOmLaW   Actually, just different app names is all, it's not any more difficult really.
[06:50] <BodOmLaW> i have no music on here and the dvdrom is using the ubuntu disk, i cant play music
[06:50] <gmcastil> bod_: i like telling things like this...get over youself
[06:50] <Temagic> gmcastil: you're not being a dic*, you're actually helpfull, besides, tomorrow you can read the log:)
[06:50] <BodOmLaW> fakeraid is a lot more difficult
[06:50] <seacat> gmcastil, It that is the case, maybe you should just hide and watch.
[06:50] <gmcastil> Temagic: i finally found my .emacs file, so now i can actually work again
[06:51] <bod_> BodOmLaW, im just trying to show you that anything you can do in the graphical interface, you can do from terminal,.,. such as typing    firefox &        to load mozilla firefox
[06:51] <gmcastil> Temagic:  i had to pull it off of my work computer
[06:51] <BodOmLaW> cool
[06:51] <tinman>  fastfinger was kicked from #xyz by ChanServ [You can not create new
[06:51] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: oh yeah dude....i'm using IRC from a text prompt
[06:51] <tinman>           channels.]
[06:51] <tinman> err
[06:51] <tinman> sorry
[06:51] <tinman> Sohuld I link to the screen shot of my errors?
[06:51] <Mike__> can someone tell me how to make modprobe -r nvidia survive reboots
[06:51] <Temagic> gmcastil: don't know what an .emacs-file is, but, good that you found it:)
[06:51] <BodOmLaW> how long should i expect it too take to resize my partition?
[06:51] <seacat> gmcastil is an irssi user  Yes?
[06:51] <gmcastil> Temagic: .files are config files
[06:51] <gmcastil> seacat: no...emacs
[06:51] <seacat> o
[06:51] <BodOmLaW> ?
[06:52] <imaginal> BodOmLaW: depends on the size
[06:52] <gmcastil> Temagic: dot-files are config files for programs
[06:52] <BodOmLaW> i installed xchat with terminal
[06:52] <BodOmLaW> fyi
[06:52] <Temagic> k
[06:52] <gmcastil> Temagic: open up a terminal, and type 'ls -al' and you'l see a  bunch of hidden files
[06:52] <BodOmLaW> i had to google how
[06:52] <Temagic> so what is the .emacs a config file for?
[06:52] <gmcastil> .bashrc, .bash_profile are bsah files
[06:52] <BodOmLaW> but thats not the point lol
[06:52] <gmcastil> Temagic: emacs
[06:53] <Temagic> and emacs is what program?
[06:53] <Temagic> type of program..
[06:53] <bod_> BodOmLaW, cool,.,. have you tried loading xchat from terminal?  by the way,. if your loading a program from terminal make sure to put a & after the name of the program eg   xchat &     so that you can still use the terminal after opening the program
[06:53] <gmcastil> Temagic: its a very extensible text editor...stands for Editor MACroS
[06:53] <Temagic> k
[06:53] <BodOmLaW> good tip thanks
[06:54] <Temagic> like a spiced up notepad:)
[06:54] <gmcastil> its basically a lisp interpreter that is used by a lot of programmers and some system admins
[06:54] <bod_> ;)
[06:54] <gmcastil> Temagic: not really
[06:54] <BodOmLaW> what time is it?
[06:54] <gmcastil> Temagic: text editing is only a minor function
[06:54] <BodOmLaW> lol nevermind
[06:54] <BodOmLaW> you are who know where
[06:54] <Temagic> what are you programming gmcastil?
[06:54] <seacat> Temagic, emacs is a very powerful editor
[06:54] <bod_> BodOmLaW, what?
[06:55] <BodOmLaW> nevermind
[06:55] <gmcastil> Temagic: as your time in linux progresses, you'l need to start learning to use a text edirot, and you'll learn to use emacs or vi (the other commonly used txt editor)
[06:55] <BodOmLaW> its taking forever!
[06:55] <bod_> BodOmLaW, patience,.,.,.lol
[06:55] <Temagic> as in, me giving back to the community? :)
[06:56] <gmcastil> Temagic: there are basically two major divisions in the linux world concerning text editors - 44.5% use Vi, 44.5% use Emacs, and 1% use everything else
[06:56] <seacat> Temagic, emacs  vim  pico  joe    (Editors)
[06:56] <gmcastil> Temagic: people hold PASSIONATE beliefs...more than a few flame wars have started over it
[06:56] <gmcastil> Temagic: programmers tend to prefer emacs, while system admins prefer Vi, though exceptions are common
[06:56] <gmcastil> i myself am an exception....i started using Emacs as a systems admin
[06:57] <seacat> Temagic, And vi users don't talk to pico users  etc. etc. etc.
[06:57] <gmcastil> yeah, basicaly, half and half use vi and emacs, very few use the others
[06:57] <BodOmLaW> gmcastil 44.5+44.5 = 89
[06:57] <bod_> Temagic, editors like vim or emacs are essential for modifying critical files if something goes wrong,.
[06:57] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: shit....
[06:57] <BodOmLaW> what about the other 10%?
[06:57] <Temagic> hehe, well, I LOVE notepad that comes with windows:) Guess I'll check out emacs when I install ubuntu then. Vi I've tried before... on Fedora... for some config file or something
[06:57] <BodOmLaW> lol
[06:57] <BodOmLaW> im considering fedora now
[06:57] <seacat> Temagic, You'll like gedit
[06:57] <bod_> BodOmLaW, why?
[06:58] <BodOmLaW> cause it is raid compatible
[06:58] <gmcastil> learn to use Vi at least a little bit - its required on a linux installation, so you'll always have it there
[06:58] <seacat> Temagic, But the others we discussed are CLI
[06:58] <Temagic> BodOmLaW: nah, poor translation and confusing menus...
[06:58] <bod_> Temagic, true, you may prefer gedit or nano, but remember that emacs and vi are the more powerfull ones
[06:58]  * mopflite loves vi (well, vim)
[06:58] <gmcastil> Temagic: it's important to be able to use Vi a little bit, since if you need to fix your system without X, you can use it
[06:58] <BodOmLaW> so you guys are hardcore Ubuntu eh?
[06:58]  * gmcastil thinks Vi is important to know a little bit about, since it isn't linked against X
[06:59] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: no...just linux
[06:59] <seacat> Temagic, nano is a good one to start with, it's very simple and easy to learn.
[06:59] <jscinoz> Hey guys, im runing 7.10 with compiz, and it seems to be fine, ie fast and stable, except for one thing. When im running a 3d application, if something causes that application to lose focus, ie a pidgin guification or a rhythmbox bubble thing, my entire system hangs and needs a hard reboot, what can i do?
[06:59] <bod_> gmcastil, although vi has a non-newb friendly way of using it, you can still use nano without X
[06:59] <Temagic> sure, I don't doubt it... I'll get to learn all those programs in due time... right now, I'm forgetting all the names of text editors:)
[06:59] <detgar> could someone go to System->Preferences->Sessions and let me know the command used to start NetworkManager, please?
[06:59] <gmcastil> bod_: nano isn't required on a linux installation - Vi is
[06:59] <seacat> jscinoz, uninstall compiz
[06:59] <BodOmLaW> holy shit! its working finally fuck
[06:59] <mopflite> Temagic: it's worth learning vi or emacs since either can be used remotely when ssh'ed into a linux machine - as you progress in your linux adventures you will probably want to be able to maintain and administer machines remotely, without being sat at them with a keyboard, mouse and monitor
[07:00] <bod_> gmcastil, no, what im saying is, vi can be difficult to use if you dont no what your doing
[07:00] <Temagic> BodOmLaW: I'm sitting on OpenSUSE now as we speak. I like it, but my hardware isn't 100% compatible with it, which it is with ubuntu
[07:00] <bod_> !language | BodOmLaW
[07:00] <ubotu> BodOmLaW: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[07:00] <BodOmLaW> in two hours
[07:00] <gmcastil> bod_: agreed....but, you can be an expert at nano, and if it ain't there, you be fawked
[07:00] <ePax> How do i get .PBP files to run whith PSX emulator?
[07:00] <BodOmLaW> lol for all those 8 year all developers right?
[07:00] <seacat> BodOmLaW, Easer than MS Windows, right?
[07:00] <gmcastil> Temagic: all the verions just blend together at this point...linux is linux, although Ubuntu does some really wierd shit sometimes
[07:00] <BodOmLaW> lol kk sorry
[07:00] <bod_> gmcastil, true,.,.lol,.,.
[07:00] <mopflite> Temagic: I started out with suse in 2002 but they've lost their way a bit imho - I tried opensuse 10.3 the other day and really didn't like it too much
[07:00] <ePax> Or how do i reverse .PBP files to .ISO files with CUE?
[07:00] <corporeal> anyone here use funionfs?
[07:01] <BodOmLaW> what is easer?
[07:01] <gmcastil> mopflite: i was redhat for life.....bastards  blew it
[07:01] <seacat> Ubuntu
[07:01] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: ubuntu would be real easy for a neophyte to start learning the way linux works
[07:01] <mopflite> gmcastil: I've heard that yes
[07:01] <BodOmLaW> define neophyte
[07:01] <gmcastil> seacat: it really takes the edge off of the learning curve
[07:01] <mopflite> ubuntu is actually easier to learn than windows, for a complete newbie to computing in general
[07:01] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: if you've asked any of the questions that i've ansewred tonight, your a neophyte
[07:02] <BodOmLaW> ya its not to bad
[07:02] <BodOmLaW> ic
[07:02] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: its not bad or antynhg - we all start at the beginning
[07:02] <BodOmLaW> neo means new
[07:02] <BodOmLaW> im aware im a newb
[07:02] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: i feeli like a noob when i start asking questions in #python
[07:02] <BodOmLaW> im fine with that
[07:02] <seacat> gmcastil, Yes, you are correct
[07:02] <bod_> mopflite, unless you have no idea what your doing,.,. the annoying thing is kids are taught windows alll there school life,. then come out of school knowing of nothing else
[07:02] <gmcastil> seacat: no ide awhat you're referring to, but i'll take your word for it
[07:03] <ePax> mopflite: Ubuntu is not easier than win. But its kinda close.
[07:03] <seacat> neophyte -  A new convert or proselyte; -- a name given by the early
[07:03] <seacat>  Christians, and still given by the Roman Catholics, to
[07:03] <seacat>  such as have recently embraced the Christian faith, and
[07:03] <seacat>  been admitted to baptism, esp. to converts from heathenism
[07:03] <seacat>  or Judaism.
[07:03] <BodOmLaW> depends what area
[07:03] <FloodBot3> seacat: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[07:03] <bod_> BodOmLaW, theres nothing wrong with being a n00b,.,. as long as your willing to learn and accept advice
[07:03] <Temagic> me too, and I'm a complete newb (though I got fedora working... lots of text editing and googling for command lines... like DOS lol...) I like the idea of opensoftware, so I'm sure BigbRother doesn't record my webcaam and screen my files and check on everything I type and do and say. I do NOT trust Microsoft, for the simple reason that Microsoft and Bono are working together:)
[07:03] <ePax> But its one of the easier linux distros and its easy to get help as well.
[07:03] <gmcastil> ePax: i disagree - linux is harder to learn that windows simply because there's more to learn and the answer is never "its broken"
[07:03] <BodOmLaW> that is why i am here not spending hours google the same stuff over and over
[07:03] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: learn to use google
[07:03] <BodOmLaW> i can
[07:04] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: most of the questions people ask me, i answer by googling for it
[07:04] <seacat> BodOmLaW, google is your friend
[07:04] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: google and man/info pages
[07:04] <BodOmLaW> and i got to the point that i knew fakeraid dmraid how to use the gparted
[07:04] <seacat> BodOmLaW, www.google.com/linux    is also your friend
[07:04] <BodOmLaW> but i got stuck
[07:04] <BodOmLaW> I have always loved google
[07:04] <BodOmLaW> and the best part
[07:04] <bod_> BodOmLaW, google is definately one of your best frineds,.,. many people on this channel figure out the answer to peoples questions just by googleing it
[07:04] <gmcastil> yup
[07:04] <BodOmLaW> google is canadian
[07:04] <Nyle> hey
[07:05] <bod_> hi
[07:05] <BodOmLaW> one canadian thing to be proud of
[07:05] <corporeal> ?
[07:05] <BodOmLaW> and our beer
[07:05] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: too bad your beer sucks
[07:05] <gmcastil> lol
[07:05] <BodOmLaW> lol whatever
[07:05] <bod_> haha
[07:05] <gmcastil> its nast
[07:05] <gmcastil> i live in the colorado front range....all we have is good beer
[07:06] <bod_> gmcastil, belgiums are one of the best for beer,.,. they dont bother with 4% lager,. its all 6-10% wickedness
[07:06] <gmcastil> bod_: 12%....gotta love the 1554
[07:06] <gmcastil> well, i'm off to bed unless there are any last questions
[07:06] <Temagic> yeah belgian beer, I second that!
[07:06] <bod_> gmcastil, haha,.,. night
[07:06] <lolmaus> Hi ^_^
[07:06] <gmcastil> Temagic: new belgium brewing is just up the street from my house
[07:06] <BodOmLaW> yes the and the belgium chocolate is the best
[07:06] <Nyle> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54301/ <-- this is my dmesg|grep ata .  Sometimes while using my system, my compter freezes up for like half a minute to a minute and then starts working ok.  I have recently started to see some of these messages while booting up that were not there before regarding ata.  Could someone please look and possibly help me figure out if it is my disk that is going bad
[07:07] <gmcastil> lolmaus: this had better be good
[07:07] <Temagic> gmcastil: good "night"
[07:07] <Nyle> Thank you very much
[07:07] <BodOmLaW> deos anyone here overclock?
[07:07] <seacat> Gennis Extra Stout   rocks!  (actually, I like half & half best)
[07:07] <Temagic> gmcastil: good night and thank you for your time and effort
[07:07] <BodOmLaW> cause i restored my bios today
[07:07] <BodOmLaW> but before
[07:07] <BodOmLaW> it was beeping before it would boot
[07:07] <bod_> BodOmLaW, do you mean overclocking your processor?
[07:07] <BodOmLaW> yes
[07:07] <gmcastil> i'll be baack on tomo=rrow night - i've onlhy been using ubuntu about a day or so :)
[07:08] <Temagic> :)
[07:08] <Temagic> 45% downloaded....
[07:08] <seacat> BodOmLaW,  I see little need for overclocking.
[07:08] <bod_> BodOmLaW, why would you want to overclock it? dont do it without allot of reading first
[07:08] <BodOmLaW> i know what im doing
[07:08] <bod_> seacat, its generally used for gaming computers
[07:08] <BodOmLaW> i just wondered about what message the beeps were giving me
[07:08] <Temagic> BodOmLaW: do you play a lot of 4d games?
[07:08] <Nyle> can I get some help with my problem?
[07:09] <BodOmLaW> 4d?
[07:09] <seacat> I would rather have a stable system than one that might be a tiny bit faster.
[07:09] <Temagic> oh, sorry, 3d
[07:09] <bod_> BodOmLaW, good,. then you know theres no point,. especialy as ubuntu doesnt kill the processor like windows does
[07:09] <BodOmLaW> yes i do
[07:09] <Temagic> i'm a bit tired
[07:09] <Nyle> maybe this is better suiited  for #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:09] <Nyle> ?
[07:09] <gmcastil> bod_: or the user
[07:09] <gmcastil> Nyle: yes
[07:09] <bod_> gmcastil, yer   ;)
[07:09] <seacat> Nyle, If you ask a specific question, we will try to answer.
[07:09] <Nyle> seacat: scroll up
[07:09] <BodOmLaW> at 2.4gHz my comp is laggy on crysis
[07:09] <gmcastil> seacat: vague + ambiguiouty == ..|.
[07:09] <ePax> He asked allready.
[07:09] <BodOmLaW> and many other games
[07:09] <Temagic> so that's why you overclock... anyway, the manual of your motherboard should tell you the meaning of the error codes (i.e. the system beeps)
[07:10] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: well...yeah
[07:10] <BodOmLaW> i was at 3.5
[07:10] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: yuou need a cluster to run that thing
[07:10] <BodOmLaW> lol
[07:10] <BodOmLaW> i always wanted a cluster
[07:10] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: they're a pain in the ass
[07:10] <BodOmLaW> but widows deosnt do it
[07:10] <BodOmLaW> so no gaming potentia
[07:10] <BodOmLaW> l
[07:10] <Nyle> could you take it to #ubuntu-offtopic please
[07:10] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: yes it does
[07:10] <BodOmLaW> right?
[07:10] <BodOmLaW> really?
[07:11] <BodOmLaW> how deos it work
[07:11] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: yeah, there is clustering softwrae that runs on windows
[07:11] <foxiness> i have a device that work well when hald turn it off ,is there a way to let hald run and this device ignore by hald ?
[07:11] <Nyle> I am trying to get some actual support here, and your discussions not regarding ubuntu support are distracting others and not letting them see my problem
[07:11] <bod_> BodOmLaW, do you know that ubuntu is not a gaming OS,. linux doesnt support high end windows games yeet
[07:11] <BodOmLaW> i know this
[07:11] <BodOmLaW> im going to dual boot with xp
[07:11] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: clustering is basically just two things: unfettered network access between the nodes and a software library that allows for farming out of work to the nodes
[07:11] <BodOmLaW> just for gaming
[07:11] <BodOmLaW> ic
[07:11] <Nyle> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54301/ <-- this is my dmesg|grep ata .  Sometimes while using my system, my compter freezes up for like half a minute to a minute and then starts working ok.  I have recently started to see some of these messages while booting up that were not there before regarding ata.  Could someone please look and possibly help me figure out if it is my disk that is going bad
[07:12] <Nyle> Thank you very much.
[07:12] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: mpich is the main one used in the linux world....no idea what windows uses these days
[07:12] <gmcastil> Nyle: quit spamming
[07:12] <seacat> Nyle, There are utilities for testing HDs, you should try one, but would also suggest testing memory.  memtest
[07:12] <BodOmLaW> so its like a raid 0 but with whole computers
[07:12] <gmcastil> Nyle: i'm not clicking that link
[07:12] <BodOmLaW> memtest is a good one
[07:12] <BodOmLaW> good for mem overclocking
[07:12] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: not really, its like 40 computers that can connect to each other without authentication
[07:12] <Nyle> memtest? for ata errors?
[07:12] <BodOmLaW> just a network?
[07:13] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: yeah, a netowrk
[07:13] <Nyle> oh nm
[07:13] <Corty> Does anyone know, why my keyboard shortcuts mess up when i start vmware-player?
[07:13] <seacat> Nyle, Boot the install CD and run memtest
[07:13] <BodOmLaW> but it deos divide the work right?
[07:13] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: one of the nodes, the master node, runs the program and then farms out the work to other nodes
[07:13] <Nyle> seacat: my memory is fine.
[07:13] <Temagic> Nyle: yes, and also make sure the sata cable is straight
[07:13] <bod_> seacat, you can run memtest from the grub menu,.,.you dont need the cd
[07:13] <Corty> I have to change the Scheme back to something else, and back to the original again
[07:13] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: yeah, and to do that, it needs a software library which allows for the allocation of work
[07:13] <BodOmLaW> deos it work in a pyramid shape or a nova?
[07:14] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: a ring is how its typically done these days, i think - i dont remembver the speicifcs of it
[07:14] <Nyle> what are some tools I can use to check my hdd's health in every way?
[07:14] <gmcastil> Nyle: fdisk
[07:14] <seacat> bod_, Didn't know that.   Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici or Jack_Sparrow!
[07:15] <imaginal> How do I find my monitor's horizontal sync range? I have the maintenance guide here on it
[07:15] <BodOmLaW> cool thanks
[07:15] <Corty> Nyle, You have to use your filesystem tools for that. e2fsck for example
[07:16] <gmcastil> bod_ its irc....
[07:16] <Nyle> gmcastil stated that he has been using ubuntu for 1 day.  I am asking problem on my ata errors, and about some tools to check my hdd health, and he is telling me to use fdisk.  I simply requested that he try not help me.
[07:16] <seacat> !language | BodOmLaW
[07:16] <ubotu> BodOmLaW: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[07:16] <Nyle> Corty: oh ok, I can read the docs for that
[07:16] <BodOmLaW> t-1:37H
[07:16] <gmcastil> Nyle: well....using ubuntu for 1 day....using linux?  ....longer than you
[07:16] <Nyle> Corty: how about physically
[07:16] <Corty> Nyle, :) aye
[07:16] <nixternal> BodOmLaW: no need to tell you to keep the language clean now I guess :)
[07:16] <gmcastil> Nyle: here...hold on, i'll go google your error for you
[07:16] <Corty> Nyle, mmmm... I always do a full dd read and write and see if everything is ok, but that takes a while *g*
[07:16] <Corty> gmcastil, lol
[07:16] <BodOmLaW> nixturnal why is that?
[07:16] <nixternal> everyone else has
[07:17] <bod_> gmcastil, i had no problem with you discussing things while the channel was empty, but now people have specifically said your posts are diverting attention away from problems
[07:17] <Nyle> Corty: I see
[07:17] <BodOmLaW> ic
[07:17] <BodOmLaW> thats what i though you meant
[07:17] <Nyle> Corty: I used smartmontools and everything seems to be ok
[07:17] <Nyle> the disk isn't making any sounds
[07:17] <Nyle> in fact I did a full badblocks scan as well as a full fsck
[07:17] <gmcastil> Nyle: yup...google has a whole bunch of crap on it that you might need
[07:17] <Nyle> I have done memtests for 4 passes
[07:17] <Corty> Nyle, :)
[07:17] <seacat> Nyle, Did you run memtest?
[07:17] <Nyle> yes I have
[07:17] <Corty> Nyle, sounds good
[07:17] <Nyle> as I reported earlier, memory is fine
[07:17] <Corty> Nyle, Any I/O shit happened?
[07:18] <BodOmLaW> brb
[07:18] <Nyle> gmcastil: please do not address me any more.  You are only being sarcastic and not helpful.
[07:18] <seacat> Nyle, run  memtest  for a couple hours, see if it comes up with any errors.
[07:18] <bod_> !language | Corty
[07:18] <ubotu> Corty: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[07:18] <Nyle> Corty: I dont' seem to recall
[07:18] <gmcastil> Nyle: in all seriousness, what I would do is try to build a kernel
[07:18] <Corty> huh
[07:18] <Corty> what did I...
[07:18] <Corty> ah, ok, got it.
[07:18] <cbquick>  i am trying to use the Kdevelop program, i have a simple hello world program, how do i run it?
[07:18] <Corty> hrhr
[07:18] <procrastinator> is it possible to mount sfs and if so, how does one do it?
[07:18] <bod_> Corty, cheers
[07:18] <Nyle> gmcastil: why are you maliciously giving ill advice?
[07:18] <gmcastil> Nyle: i'm not
[07:18] <Corty> bod_, :)
[07:18] <cvd> Hey in windows i use ipconfig/all and in linux?
[07:18] <gmcastil> Nyle: the I/O during a kernel build is pretty intense...if there's a problem with your hard drive, that'll show you
[07:19] <nixternal> guess angelina jolie finally had enough of the excess floods
[07:19] <Corty> cvd ifconfig, simple *g*
[07:19] <seacat> Nyle, Discribe your PC.  CPU, Meomry, etc..
[07:19] <gmcastil> Nyle: or, if you want a windows solution, scandisk works really well
[07:19] <bod_> cvd, ipconfig = ifconfig in linux
[07:19] <Corty> bod_, cheers :)
[07:19] <bod_> ;)
[07:19] <gmcastil> Nyle: speeddisk, not scandisk
[07:19] <Nyle> 02:17 Ignoring ALL from gmcastil
[07:19] <Nyle> *sigh*
[07:19] <Corty> gmcastil, did he read that? *g*
[07:19] <gmcastil> no
[07:19] <bod_> gmcastil, windows call it diskcheck now,. they keep changing the name,.same program
[07:19] <Corty> ...
[07:20] <Nyle> seacat: core 2 e6300, 2gb ram, x1900xtx, ga 965 p s3 motherboard
[07:20] <gmcastil> bod_: i was actually referring to a utility called ....lemme find it
[07:20] <gmcastil> spinrite
[07:20] <gmcastil> wow, i was way off
[07:20] <seacat> bod_, REally?   Did they change scandisk to diskcheck ?   Is that Vista lingo?
[07:20] <Nyle> seacat: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54301/ <-- output of dmesg|grep ata
[07:20] <bod_> seacat, no im afraid thats actually xp lingo
[07:21] <gmcastil> someone tell nyla that she should give spinrite a try
[07:21] <Kevin`> scandisk changed to chkdsk in xp
[07:21] <Nyle> could you kindly take a peek
[07:21] <izzyb_> how do I go about restarting the kde mediamanager if it isn't running?
[07:21] <Kevin`> spinrite doesn't do anything to a drive that badblocks doesn't
[07:21] <gmcastil> i think he wanted a windows solution
[07:21]  * izzyb_ was trying to unmount a thumb drive and something went wrong
[07:21] <Nyle> izzyb_: whats the error message?
[07:21] <cvd>  inet addr - ip?
[07:22] <seacat> Kevin`, chkdsk is old name
[07:22] <izzyb_> now I get a message that the kde mediamanager is not running
[07:22] <cbquick> anyone tell me how to compile a program
[07:22] <Kevin`> if you have a drive with bad blocks, there are very few cases where you should try to recover them
[07:22] <Kevin`> seacat and the new name.
[07:22] <gmcastil> cbquick: make
[07:22] <izzyb_> when I try to view the storage media
[07:22] <gmcastil> Kevin`: yeah, you usually can't
[07:22] <Nyle> Kevin`: I didn't find any badblocks
[07:22] <gmcastil> Kevin`: at best, you just work around them
[07:22] <cbquick> ok, thanks
[07:22] <seacat> Kevin`, So they just reverted back to the old name.... ???
[07:22] <Nyle> I found some ata errors during bootup though
[07:22] <Kevin`> seacat yes
[07:22] <gmcastil> seacat: i think his problem is something like a bad northbridge or controller
[07:22] <seacat> Kevin`, Very Clever!  :)
[07:23] <BodOmLaW> back
[07:23] <bod_> seacat, my knowledge only goes back to win98 but its been scandisk untill xp (since 98)
[07:23] <BodOmLaW> gmcastil a question about the clusters again, deos all the data get stored on the masternode?
[07:24] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: depends, but yeah, usually - the nodes are almost always discless
[07:24] <Nyle> wow
[07:24] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: they boot off of server
[07:24] <BodOmLaW> ic
[07:24] <BodOmLaW> fasinating
[07:24] <Nyle> I was hoping for this channel to be supportive and useful
[07:24] <gmcastil> maybe if he wasn't a dick
[07:24] <Corty> Nyle, :/
[07:24]  * gmcastil waves at Nyla
[07:24] <BodOmLaW> it is if your not a douche
[07:24] <nixternal> gmcastil: watch your language please
[07:24] <bod_> Nyle, ive looked at your message but i do not no the answer,.
[07:24] <seacat> bod_, I started with dos3.1  and always though what a un-imaginative  name DOS was.  :)
[07:24] <Nyle> Corty: :( I know, it saddens me too
[07:24] <BodOmLaW> i got help
[07:25] <bod_> seacat, DOS is not a windows program
[07:25] <Nyle> Corty: there are gems within the crowd of imbeciles though
[07:25] <Nyle> and they are always appreciated
[07:25] <ePax> Nyle: Try to search for answers in http://ubuntuforums.org/ as well. It might help.
[07:25] <kdubois> yay ubuntu@!
[07:25] <Kevin`> Nyle I didn't see your entire problem, but did you run smartctl on the drive?
[07:25] <gmcastil> i suggest google
[07:25] <Corty> Nyle, :) Always, you just have to search a lot
[07:25] <cbquick> how do i get a makefile
[07:25] <Nyle> ePax: thanks, I'll try searching there as well
[07:25] <gmcastil> cbquick: part of the source code
[07:25] <Nyle> Kevin`: yes I did
[07:25] <seacat> bod_, Yes, I know.  It is CLI only.
[07:25] <Kevin`> Nyle do you have a pastebin of the results?
[07:26] <Nyle> that I do not, I did that this morning
[07:26] <seacat> bod_,  And then there was DRdos.  PRetty good actually
[07:26] <Nyle> Kevin`: just to be sure again, I ran smarctl --all
[07:26] <bod_> seacat, it was written by someone as a university project, then microsoft bullied him into handing it over, then changed the syntax so he couldnt cdo anything about it
[07:26] <ePax> cbquick: make install
[07:26] <Nyle> Kevin`: is there some specific switch like -Dc or something I should run
[07:26] <Nyle> ?
[07:26] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: anyway, the standard approach is that the nodes boot off of the master node which farms the work out to the nodes...the nodes usually NFS mount the drive from the master
[07:26] <sapperjanko>  hey all, im still having problems here with chmod keeps coming back sayin Operation not permitted, now i was also able 2 fix my sudoers file n looks something like this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54302/
[07:27] <Kevin`> Nyle -a should give enough info. also have it run a long self test
[07:27] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: one of the biggest challenges is all the nodes writing to the same data at the same time
[07:27] <seacat> bod_,  Yea, and wasn't  that nice....
[07:27] <Nyle> hmm. ok  I'll scan the manpage again for a list of the options
[07:27] <BodOmLaW> lol
[07:27] <Kevin`> Nyle the individual numbers are more important then the pass/fail indicator, of course
[07:27] <bod_> seacat, did you know that the 2 creaters of mac went to school with Mr Gates?
[07:28] <Nyle> absolutely
[07:28] <BodOmLaW> can you have raid 0 arrays with more than 2 disks?
[07:28] <seacat> bod_, No, didn't know that.
[07:28]  * bod_ you learn something new everyday
[07:28] <BodOmLaW> id like a raid 0 array with some solid state drives
[07:28] <Temagic> BodOmLaW: yes you can
[07:28] <Nyle> I am not SMART guru so I would need assistance in deciphering what all this means.  I was on smartmontools.soureforge.net reading the docs for a while, I suppose I'm so tired now I forget
[07:28] <gmcastil> BodOmLaW: i believe you can
[07:28] <BodOmLaW> geeky cream dream
[07:28] <BodOmLaW> lol
[07:28] <Nyle> let me tell you how it all began
[07:28] <seacat> bod_, Really like the new osX   It's very nice!
[07:29] <bod_> ;)
[07:29] <hellothereher1> hi, since I installed gutsy I me getting problems with computer, firefox gets stuck, the computer some times freezes and I see that its doing something but cant see what is it, and the only solution is to turn off the comoputer using the power button
[07:29] <seacat> bod_, Those guys got it right from the beginning IMO.
[07:29] <sapperjanko> anyone able 2 tell me what is goin on here, n y i still cant write
[07:29] <bod_> seacat, only in the visual aspect,.,.
[07:29] <bod_> sapperjanko, whats the problem?
[07:29] <sapperjanko>  hey all, im still having problems here with chmod keeps coming back sayin Operation not permitted, now i was also able 2 fix my sudoers file n looks something like this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54302/
[07:30] <hellothereher1> is that a known behavior or something, I was running 7.04 with 1GB ram and it was great, now I have 2GB ram and I get problems.
[07:30] <DanThirst> omgawd i think i just fell in love with the alternative install cd for ubuntu
[07:30] <Nyle> I was on my other partition, windows xp pro x64, and I disabled one of my wireless NIC.  System froze, I rebooted, and it won't boot, safemode says acpitabl.dat not found, and in recovery consosle there is no system32\drivers\ folder.  THAT is when my linux distro started acting up.  So I took out the wifi nic thinking it was that, but this behaviour is sporadic and continues
[07:30] <seacat> sapperjanko, Can't write to what?
[07:30] <Nyle> if I disconnect this hdd and stress test my system in all ways, no crashes at all
[07:30] <sapperjanko> I am trying to chmod o+rw /var/www but still not having any luck in been able 2 do so
[07:30] <Nyle> its this hdd, but during testing i couldnt' find any errors with it
[07:31] <Corty> mystic
[07:31] <Kevin`> Nyle I once had a problem like that that I traced to a bad ide cable
[07:31] <seacat> sapperjanko, Is this a new user account?   Or the original one?
[07:31] <bod_> Nyle, theres another prime example of windows breaking,.,. but if its lost your system 32 drivers folder, are you sure it didnt lose anything else from system 32?
[07:31] <Nyle> Kevin`: I just switched my sata cable from orange to red
[07:31] <Nyle> :)
[07:31] <Nyle> lets see... so far I haven't had a problem
[07:31] <Corty> lol, it MUST be the color
[07:31] <Nyle> system has been up for 1 hour
[07:31] <BodOmLaW> someone just asked me what linux was eh.
[07:31] <seacat> sapperjanko, Use symlinks
[07:32] <bod_> Nyle,  i like the green ones personally
[07:32] <Kevin`> sata would probably either work or not work, at the cable level, since it's serial
[07:32] <Corty> BodOmLaW, was!??
[07:32] <bod_> is
[07:32] <sapperjanko> seacat: its the original, i also do have another account made on samba, but that user can only read in windows, n cant log into ubuntu.... i dunno what im doin here
[07:32] <Corty> BodOmLaW, How could he even talk from the past!
[07:33] <cvd> its there a really advantage using a SATA over a IDE?
[07:33] <sapperjanko> !symlinks
[07:33] <seacat> sapperjanko, ln -s /home/sapperjanko/webdirectory  /var/www/
[07:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about symlinks - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:33] <Nyle> bod_: green is fairly pleasing at times
[07:33] <BodOmLaW> she
[07:33] <Nyle> especially in the rain :)
[07:33] <doctorow> Yesterday I upgraded to Gutsy and noticed that my sound wasn't working in Flash on Firefox anymore. So I changed Firefox's sound to AOSS, and then reinstalled the Flash plugin, logged out and logged in again. Sound worked briefly. Then I launched Amarok, and both Firefox and Amarok hung.  Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[07:34] <BodOmLaW> what linux is*
[07:34] <Kevin`> cvd I would use it just for the simpler interconnects, but cached reads can be faster
[07:34] <seacat> sapperjanko, ln -s /home/user/webfiles  /var/www/
[07:34] <Corty> BodOmLaW, ok :) What did you answer?
[07:34] <bod_> Nyle, its my favourite colour,.,.lol
[07:34] <sapperjanko> seacat: that must have done something now
[07:34] <BodOmLaW> another operating system beyond windows
[07:34] <sapperjanko> brb gotta help the old man
[07:35] <bod_> BodOmLaW, please watch your language,. this is a family friendly channel
[07:35] <BodOmLaW> dick?
[07:35] <seacat> sapperjanko, You can create new users and and a directory of your choosing for each page and symlink them to /var/www/      etc.
[07:35] <BodOmLaW> that is human anatomy
[07:35] <Corty> BodOmLaW, :D
[07:35] <ePax> BodOmLaW: Whats the problem with you? Are you like 13 years of age or?
[07:35] <BodOmLaW> 17
[07:35]  * DanThirst crys
[07:35] <DanThirst> whyyyy
[07:35] <BodOmLaW> im very tired and bored cut me slack
[07:36] <DanThirst> i keep getting cd read errors
[07:36] <DanThirst> AND ITS MAKING ME MAD :_(
[07:36] <BodOmLaW> (07:32:11 AM) Killers are quiet: oh
[07:36] <BodOmLaW> (07:32:14 AM) Killers are quiet:  your so smart
[07:36] <BodOmLaW> (07:32:31 AM) Drew: i know ;)
[07:36] <BodOmLaW> (07:32:42 AM) Drew: wrong smiley
[07:36] <BodOmLaW> (07:32:47 AM) Drew: :)*
[07:36] <FloodBot3> BodOmLaW: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[07:36] <seacat> sapperjanko, Make a directory for the html files in a /home/user directory, and then link it to the /var/www/
[07:36] <Corty> DanThirst, screwed your disc? or your drive *g*
[07:36] <BodOmLaW> that was what she said to the linux thing
[07:36] <bod_> BodOmLaW, tiredness is not an excuse to be rude,. please try and keep it clean (a penis is the correct term)
[07:36] <Corty> lol
[07:36] <seacat> sapperjanko, apache will follow symlinks by default.
[07:36] <BodOmLaW> ok
[07:36] <bod_> BodOmLaW, ty
[07:37] <Tidus> i have a quick question... i'm trying to get the gnome-panel drag anchors to disappear (kinda like you can do in KDE to make them go away) ... how would i go about doing this?
[07:37] <Nyle> Kevin`: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54303/ <-- output of smartctl -a
[07:38] <doctorow>  /quit
[07:38] <DanThirst> whenever i try to install the baste system i get a debootstrap warning
[07:38] <seacat> Tidus, Right click on it and tell it to go away.
[07:38] <BodOmLaW> if you want to be a phallus*
[07:38] <BodOmLaW> is that better
[07:38] <BodOmLaW> sorry it took so long
[07:38] <DanThirst> then the sed_4.1.5~ was corrupt
[07:38] <BodOmLaW> i had to google it
[07:38] <BodOmLaW> for the spelling
[07:38] <DanThirst> then it runs into a few more that fail to install
[07:39] <bod_> BodOmLaW, pm me if you want a biology discussion
[07:39] <BodOmLaW> lol
[07:39] <Tidus> seacat: that won't help me any.  all that comes up is "Remove from panel" and "lock" ... and when i hit remove from panel, whatever that anchor is attached to goes away with the anchor
[07:39] <Kevin`> Nyle random idea, do you have spread spectrum enabled?
[07:39] <BodOmLaW> T-1H6M30S
[07:39] <seacat> Tidus, O
[07:40] <BodOmLaW> spread spectrum is a cpu function is it not?
[07:40] <BodOmLaW> how will that help him?
[07:40] <seacat> Tidus, Maybe they are not removable?
[07:40] <seacat> I dono
[07:40] <Kevin`> bob* it applies to several things
[07:40] <Nyle> Kevin`: I don't recall seeing this option in the bios, but I can't afford to reboot at this time.  I don't know if this is available in my bios.  GA 965P S3 v F12
[07:40] <Nyle> Gigabyte
[07:40] <bod_> Tidus, what are you trying to remove?
[07:40] <Tidus> seacat: i'm trying to make the anchor 'hide' while keeping, for example, my task list on the bar
[07:40] <Nyle> I'll look at the manual.. if it is available, more than likely I've turned it on
[07:41] <BodOmLaW> it should be in your cpu configuration section
[07:41] <Tidus> bod_: ^^
[07:41] <Nyle> eitherway, I'm not sure
[07:41] <bod_> Tidus, im unsure what you mean by 'anchor'
[07:41] <Tidus> bod_: i'll put up a screenshot for you
[07:41] <bod_> ty
[07:41] <Tidus> give me a couple minutes
[07:41] <bod_> ok
[07:42] <BodOmLaW> bod_ i dont want a biology discussion, but how bout theology?
[07:42] <sangeli> Hi, I just installed kubuntu and when running Adept I get this strage error: "Another process is using the packaging system database. Would you like to attempt to resolve this problem? If I say yes, it crashes. Even when I reboot I get the same issue. Not a nice start. What to do to fix it?
[07:42] <sangeli> Please help if someone knows how to solve it. Thanks
[07:42] <bod_> BodOmLaW, hang on im on the fone,,. maybe in 10-15 mins
[07:42] <BodOmLaW> lol
[07:42] <BodOmLaW> only time to kill
[07:42] <BodOmLaW> i got to say
[07:42] <Nyle> Please wait 179 minutes for test to complete.
[07:42] <BodOmLaW> i am likeing ubuntu
[07:42] <Nyle> Test will complete after Fri Feb  1 05:41:27 2008
[07:43] <BodOmLaW> i feel "free"
[07:43] <Nyle> Kevin`: I will let you know the results if I am still awake
[07:43] <Nyle> thank you guys for your help, so far the system seems pretty alright with the new sata cable
[07:43] <Nyle> lets hope nothing happens, I haven't tried to play music or movies or anything yet
[07:43] <Nyle> in fact, let me test
[07:44] <DanThirst> when i burn a ubuntu ISO what method should i use?
[07:45] <detgar> DanThirst: method?
[07:45] <Tidus> bod_: http://tidus.alive-awake.com/photos/?Qwd=./Screenshots/Linux&Qif=desktop-2008.02.01.png&Qiv=thumbs&Qis=M&Qtmp=FS ... it's that little 'grab handle' in between k3b and the left edge of the window list
[07:45] <pawan> hi
[07:45] <pawan> what is mandriva
[07:45] <bod_> DanThirst, doesnt matter,. as long as the iso is on it
[07:45] <Tidus> i'm looking to change / hide that
[07:45] <DanThirst> track at once or disk at once or disk at once/96
[07:45] <detgar> pawan: It's a Linux distribution
[07:45] <snorkel> pawan: its a linux distro
[07:46] <BodOmLaW> is it good?
[07:46] <BodOmLaW> it uses ntfs right?
[07:46] <pawan> is it good
[07:46] <Nyle> wow
[07:46] <Nyle> so far so good
[07:46] <nokram> this is an ubuntu channel
[07:46] <nokram> you're not going to get unbiased opinions on mandriva
[07:46] <bod_> Tidus, sorry m8,.,. no idea
[07:46] <detgar> pawan: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mandriva  <-- check it out yourself
[07:46] <Nyle> I've skipped through a few movies real quick that made the system freeze for a while and now they don't
[07:46] <Nyle> I guess changing the sata cable did the trick
[07:47] <detgar> pawan: there's a bunch of reviews there
[07:47] <Nyle> (I had already done that before anyone suggested)
[07:47] <pawan> ok
[07:47] <bluefoxx> can i get a link to the supergrub web page? i threw windows onto my sys and need linux back[yes, i know windows sux]
[07:47] <Tidus> anyone else that might be able to help ?
[07:47] <Nyle> 02:46 >>>> Irssi: Unignored gmcastil
[07:47] <panfist> is there a better remote desktop server to use that might be better for windows clients to connect to?
[07:47] <bod_> lol
[07:48] <pawan> can it be installed side by ubuntu
[07:48] <Nyle> anyway, thanks everyone
[07:48] <bod_> panfist, vnc
[07:48] <Tidus> bod_: quick question.  what'd ya think of the way i have my screen laid out?
[07:49] <bod_> Tidus, kde or gnome    which r u using?
[07:49] <panfist> bod there are many vnc packages...which one do i install?
[07:49] <Tidus> bod_: that's gnome
[07:50] <Nyle> panfist: aptitude install xtightvncviewer and vncserver
[07:50] <Nyle> panfist: infact, just aptitude search tightvnc
[07:50] <Nyle> tight is the fastest and most compressive algorythm used
[07:50] <bod_> Tidus, its good,.,. but too much like kde for my liking,.,.,.,.  ;~)
[07:51] <panfist> nyle the description of vncserver says that the package exists only for compatability purposes and vnc4server is newer
[07:51] <Nyle> panfist: you are trying to setup a server or what?
[07:51] <Nyle> panfist: what is your goal?
[07:51] <Tidus> lol... my screen is small (14.1" LCD in a laptop) so it's a bit low resolution to be having two bars
[07:51] <panfist> nyle also i justt need to run a vnc server on my kubuntu box i have a viewer on this box
[07:51] <bod_> Tidus,  why not shrink the bars?
[07:51] <Nyle> panfist: simply, aptitude isntall vncserver, follow the prompts
[07:51] <Tidus> bod_: anything smaller than 24px and i simply can't see it
[07:52] <sapperjanko> seacat: so i guess now i gotta install symlink
[07:52] <cabinet> good mornung
[07:52] <cabinet> morning
[07:52] <panfist> nyle then i ran vncserver in the terminal and...i could not connect to it
[07:52] <Nyle> panfist: afterwords, vncserver -geometry 1024x768 -depth 24 :0 (or whatever you want the resolution to be)
[07:52] <bod_> Tidus, true,.,.,.,.,.lol
[07:52] <BodOmLaW> i have a great question
[07:52] <bod_> ?
[07:52] <Nyle> panfist: it will ask to set a password, set one
[07:52] <BodOmLaW> why would yyou want a 64bit cpu?
[07:52] <panfist> nyle whats the :0 for
[07:52] <BodOmLaW> what is the real difference
[07:52] <Nyle> panfist: to run it on display :0
[07:53] <Nyle> not the actual $DISPLAY mindyou
[07:53] <Nyle> for that you would require Xvnc
[07:53] <Nyle> so that you can serve up your current running X session over vnc
[07:53] <Nyle> vncserver will spawn a brand new session
[07:53] <Nyle> you must decide what you want, and better read up on vnc documentation
[07:54] <bluefoxx> i need to rescue my linux after installing [uggh] windows
[07:54] <BodOmLaW> why would yyou want a 64bit cpu?
[07:54] <freak41> guten morgen
[07:54] <BodOmLaW> i never got an answer
[07:55] <bod_> freak41, good morning
[07:55] <freak41> anyone here who speak german?
[07:55] <bod_> freak41, i dont but you could try the german ubuntu channel
[07:55] <pawan> can it be installed side by ubuntu
[07:55] <Y_> guten morgen I know only this much
[07:55] <_ruben> !de
[07:55] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[07:55] <snorkel> BodOmLaW: more memory addressing
[07:55] <freak41> thank you
[07:56] <bod_> Y_, thats only because it looks like good morning,.,.lol
[07:56] <BodOmLaW> meaning?
[07:56] <BodOmLaW> more bandwidth?
[07:56] <goobsoft> I setup PPA on launchpad recently and my URL returns 404.  Does anyone know if there is a delay?
[07:56] <snorkel> 32bit systems limited to 4gb memory
[07:56] <BodOmLaW> 64 8gb?
[07:57] <bod_> snorkel, really?
[07:57] <Y_> bod_: ha ha ha... no... one of my friend told about ir
[07:57] <bod_> Y_, oh,.,.kk,.,.
[07:57] <bod_> lol
[07:57] <snorkel> nope
[07:57] <snorkel> its 2^64
[07:58] <snorkel> its in terabytes
[07:58] <chabal> where can i download dvds of the repositorys?
[07:58] <bod_> snorkel, 2 to the power of 64?
[07:58] <bluefoxx> super grub link please ayone?>
[07:58] <snorkel> yes
[07:59] <detgar> bluefoxx: http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=super%20grub&meta=
[07:59] <bullgard4> "detlef@Amilo7600:~$ sudo smbclient -L localhost -U%" funktions. "detlef@Amilo7600:$ smbclient -L Amilo7600; Password: ;session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE." How can I get rid of this error message?
[07:59] <mercury_1900> wpa_supplicant question, if anyone's familiar
[07:59] <snorkel> so future points to using 64-bit systems because apps are limited on 32bit space
[07:59] <bod_> snorkel, how do u use the terminal claculator (to calculate 2^32)
[08:00] <bod_> 32*=34
[08:00] <bod_> no
[08:00] <bod_> 32
[08:00] <bod_> sorry
[08:00] <snorkel> bod_: dunno about terminal calc
[08:00] <chabal> I just need the link please:)
[08:01] <jegggg> I want to enable DVD Playblack (encrypted) in Ubuntu, but it is illegal in the US. I have bought the computer with windows vista and it plays these dvds, So would it be illegal if I download libdvdcss? I bought the license to be able to play in Windows, dont I?
[08:01] <bod_> jegggg, how will anyone know? id do it
[08:01] <bluefoxx> detgar: tyvm
[08:02] <detgar> bluefoxx: np
[08:02] <travis_> Any advice on finding HorizSync and VertRefresh of a laptop display?
[08:03] <snorkel> limit is 17,179,869,184 gigabytes on 64-bit systems should be a while before that limit is reached
[08:03] <mercury_1900> can anyone tell me why, after installing wpa_supplicant, the conf file isn't in my /etc/ dir?  do I have to create one?  how do I load it?  etc
[08:03] <bod_> travis_, gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:03] <overclucker> travis_: dredge the manufacturers site
[08:03] <pawan> hi
[08:03] <bod_> hi
[08:04] <travis_> bod_, that is what I'm trying to configure
[08:04] <bluefoxx> ok, i have a 1998 p2 laptop that i have 384 megs of ram in, more than enough to run ubuntu, but when i try to start ubuntu on it i get "err: not enough memory" even though i have more than 256. remedy?
[08:04] <bod_> travis_, oh,. what laptop are you using?
[08:05] <travis_> overclucker, the manufacturer is coy, I have specs from the maintenance and service guide, but no hz
[08:05] <travis_> bod_, hp dv2550se
[08:05] <freak41> which modul i need in apache2 to use auth in .htaccess?
[08:06] <detgar> travis_: If you find a site that sells spare parts for your laptop, they'll probably have the name for you monitor. Maybe you can use that to find the exact specs.
[08:07] <bod_> travis_, ive been googleing cause i dont know how else to find those values, but i cant find them,.,. whats wrong with your values  atm?
[08:07] <pawan> hi
[08:08] <BodOmLaW> hey whens the last time everybody has been outside?
[08:08] <tiny> Has anyone installed ubuntu from a nfs share? Instructions on this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LocalNet  aren't working. What are the correct kernel parameters for nfs install?
[08:08] <BodOmLaW> you know the outer world
[08:08] <BodOmLaW> ??
[08:08] <bullgard4> "detlef@Amilo7600:~$ sudo smbclient -L localhost -U%" functions. But "detlef@Amilo7600:$ smbclient -L Amilo7600; Password: ;session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE" not. How can I get rid of this error message?
[08:08] <travis_> bod_, anything moving quickly shows sheering/horizontal lines through it
[08:08] <overclucker> i tooks out the trash today. . .
[08:09] <travis_> i.e. video playback, moving windows...
[08:09] <bod_> travis_, what is the size of your screen.,.,. 14 inch 15?
[08:09] <bluefoxx> BodOmLaW: i was on the bus today...some guy picked a fight with the driver
[08:09] <BodOmLaW> for me it was wednesdy at 6
[08:09] <travis_> bod_, 14.1"
[08:09] <BodOmLaW> ish
[08:09] <BodOmLaW> its cold and scary lol
[08:10] <bod_> travis_,  i have a small thinkpad the same size,.,. do u want to try my values?
[08:10] <bod_> BodOmLaW, what is this 'Outside' you speak of?
[08:10] <travis_> bod_, worth a try.  Welcome!
[08:16] <seacat> Religion is taken serious by many many good people.
[08:17] <speeddemon8803> This is in fact a Ubuntu Help room...not a general chat ;)
[08:17] <BodOmLaW> good perhaps but ignorant
[08:17] <BodOmLaW> actually
[08:17] <BodOmLaW> i take it seriously
[08:17] <BodOmLaW> but im atheist
[08:17] <BodOmLaW> islam scares the hell out of me
[08:18] <seacat> The supernatural is my most favorite subject and I would be glad to discuss it with anyone that wants, but just not here.
[08:18] <BodOmLaW> and fundamentalis christian
[08:18] <BodOmLaW> s
[08:18] <bod_> BodOmLaW, this has been !ot for a while,. please stop now
[08:18] <tokok> BodOmLaW: allah akbar!
[08:18] <BodOmLaW> sorry
[08:18] <speeddemon8803> I am going to ask that we cease this conversation and bring it elsewhere :)
[08:18] <BodOmLaW> lol
[08:18] <Carbonflux> just come to #politics
[08:18] <Carbonflux> people are always talking about this stuff in there
[08:18] <Carbonflux> it gets very "messy"
[08:18] <bod_> !ot
[08:18] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[08:18] <BodOmLaW> gtg
[08:19] <bod_> bye
[08:19] <speeddemon8803> im sorry...i let it go long enough...couldnt take more
[08:19] <overclucker> soo, how about them diodes ..  .
[08:19] <bod_> speeddemon8803, i no,. cheers for shoutin,.lol,.
[08:19] <terje__> 1
[08:19] <Carbonflux> has anyone played around with running Wine of a native XP partition in 7.10 now that NTFS read/write is released ?
[08:19] <Carbonflux> off*
[08:20] <AnRkey> i have a share mounted with SMBfs. Whenever the server becomes unavailable, nautilus hangs and I have to "sudo umount /media/sharename -f" and then I remount my shares with "sudo mount -a"
[08:20] <AnRkey> is there no easier way to do this?
[08:20] <speeddemon8803> Funny thing is, is that im not even a member of this team, im beginner forum lol
[08:20] <travis_> No dice... I wonder if I'm working at the right thing
[08:20] <speeddemon8803> dont mean i wont step in when needed
[08:20] <AnRkey> or is there a way to allow for some small margin of error?
[08:21] <bod_> speeddemon8803, im just a volunteer,. helping out
[08:21] <Carbonflux> AnRkey, well, there is the process that happens when you mount a CD automaticly
[08:21] <speeddemon8803> me too :)
[08:21] <Carbonflux> AnRkey, so, it Can be done on some level
[08:21] <bod_> ;)
[08:21] <Carbonflux> AnRkey, I just don't know how
[08:22] <travis_> So, if I drag a window up and down the workspace, things look fine. Left and right, the edges break. What is going on?
[08:22] <bod_> anyway im off guys,. cya later
[08:23] <speeddemon8803> thats a compiz thing travis, sounds like your card cant handle something
[08:23] <speeddemon8803> mine does that too
[08:24] <travis_> speeddemon8803: compiz is not running. Just metacity
[08:24] <speeddemon8803> hmm..
[08:24] <terje__> try typing alt+F2 compiz
[08:25] <travis_> terje__: My card is blacklisted against compiz...
[08:26] <travis_> I can get it to run by ignoring errors, but that is just to say that isn't the problem, I don't think
[08:27] <Carbonflux> what driver are you using travis_ ?
[08:27] <gpsock> Hi, everybody, gassho :--)
[08:27] <travis_> Carbonflux: intel
[08:28] <Carbonflux> so you are using the vesa driver ?
[08:28] <gpsock> Sorry, wrong room...
[08:28] <travis_> Carbonflux: What is the best way to check?
[08:29] <Carbonflux> System->Administration->Screens and Graphics
[08:29] <Carbonflux> then click the graphics card tab
[08:30] <travis_> Carbonflux: Yes, VESA Driver (generic)
[08:31] <Carbonflux> well, you can try a different driver
[08:31] <Carbonflux> if you want
[08:31] <Carbonflux> kind of hard to debug a issue like this, it sounds like something is corrupt tho
[08:32] <Carbonflux> there are several intel chip-sets listed in the list of graphics cards
[08:32] <Carbonflux> if one matches try that
[08:32] <Carbonflux> or try VGA
[08:32] <Carbonflux> !enter | Carbonflux
[08:33] <Carbonflux> hm, heh, there was one that tells you not you use the enter key so much
[08:33] <AnRkey> Carbonflux, so...
[08:33] <devilsadvocate> is it possible to mount one folder onto another?
[08:34] <seacat> devilsadvocate, You mean to link one to another?
[08:34] <Carbonflux> AnRkey, so I think in theory its possible to do what you want, might be kind of hard to format a google search line for it tho
[08:34] <jegggg> I want to enable DVD Playblack (encrypted) in Ubuntu, but it is illegal in the US. I have bought the computer with windows vista and it plays these dvds, So would it be illegal if I download libdvdcss? I bought the license to be able to play in Windows, dont I?
[08:34] <devilsadvocate> seacat, i need a mount. not justa symlink
[08:34] <Carbonflux> !dvd
[08:34] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[08:34] <travis_> Carbonflux: I understand. This is a fresh install. Thanks
[08:34] <seacat> devilsadvocate,   You can  mount a device to a mount point, which would be a directory on the filesystem.
[08:34] <w0t> how do i find my local ip from the terminal?
[08:35] <devilsadvocate> seacat, i know that. i need to mount one folder of an already mounted filesystem into another folder on the root filesystem
[08:35] <Carbonflux> travis_, playing around with the driver is what I would try, sound kind of low level whats happening, if its not a composite manager it seems like its the xserver or the driver.
[08:36] <tokok> w0t: ifconfig
[08:36] <w0t> thanks
[08:36] <seacat> devilsadvocate,   Mount one folder into another?   Not sure....????
[08:36] <w0t> almost ipconfig then
[08:37] <w0t> is it eth0, eth1 or lo?
[08:37] <devilsadvocate> i used to do it earlier somehow. cant find out how :\
[08:37] <w0t> :o
[08:37] <seacat> devilsadvocate, You can't mount something that is already mounted.  You mount devices, not directories.
[08:37] <Carbonflux> jegggg, it just says its "encrypted" the issue is open source and licensing which is why Ubuntu does not ship by default with the ability to play commercial DVDs, once you follow the guides for install the right packages it works great tho
[08:37] <devilsadvocate> seacat, mount --bind is supposed to work , from what i read
[08:38] <seacat> devilsadvocate, You are using wrong language, I think.  Try to explain with different terms.
[08:38] <Carbonflux> a mount point is arbitrary
[08:38] <Carbonflux> you link a mount point with a device
[08:38] <seacat> devilsadvocate, see   man mount
[08:38] <lolmaus> Hello. I've just installed Kubuntu on a separate machine at home. My aim is to get familiar with Linux. I've obtained some basic Linux skills (on Slackware) and i'm a very advanced Windows user. Are there any docs/howtos/manuals for advanced users trying Ubuntu as a first Linux? I don't want to read about how to set focus, etc.
[08:39] <devilsadvocate> seacat, I need a folder outside a chroot to accessible inside a chroot. The normal way of doing that seems to be to mount the external (to the chroot) onto a folder inside using mount --bind
[08:39] <blades> Hey guy dont u think vista rocks
[08:39] <Carbonflux> I have not installed Vista yet blades
[08:39] <seacat> devilsadvocate, Yes, you are correct.   "it is possible to remount part of the file  hierarchy somewhere else.  But "detlef@Amilo7600:~$ smbclient -L Amilo7600; Password: ;session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE" not. How can I get rid of this error message?
[08:42] <seacat> blades, What is Windows aero?
[08:42] <mkquist> blades: trolling are u?
[08:42] <devilsadvocate> seacat,  mount: can't find /media/extstorage/xyz in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab --- same with rbind
[08:42] <snorkel> blades is drunk
[08:42] <blades> IT is the awesome graphics features in vista
[08:43] <Carbonflux> AnRkey, you still here ?
[08:43] <devilsadvocate> seacat, guess i'll try adding to fstab and try
[08:43] <Carbonflux> AnRkey, open up synaptic package manager and search for autofs
[08:43] <seacat> "Note that the filesystem mount options will remain the same as those on the  original  mount  point,  and  cannot  be changed by passing the -o  option along with --bind/--rbind."
[08:43] <blades> im dunk
[08:43] <mkquist> blades: sounds like it, won't be welcome here much I'm sure... But, fire away I guess...  Or maybe the #windows channel is more your speed.  You can add to the pointless chatter there.
[08:43] <AnRkey> Carbonflux, thanks
 is the windows key right?
[08:44] <Carbonflux> hope it works :)
[08:44] <KemrinH> Blades, why have you become drunk?
[08:44] <snorkel> cwillu: yes
[08:44] <Carbonflux> yes cwillu
 is the other one
[08:44] <seacat> blades, Ok, thank you for the info.  But, if you are drunk, it would be best to just lurk.
[08:44] <cwillu> I'm having difficulty getting any key bound to it
[08:44] <cwillu> I keep getting super+L, regardless of what key I press
[08:44] <cwillu> on three different machines :/
[08:45] <KemrinH> Don't you know that typing while intoxicated is illegal?
[08:45] <GranitRock> Hello guys
[08:45] <tanner> KemrinH: ssshhh, don't give the prudes any more ideas on laws to pass..
[08:45] <Carbonflux> cwillu, heh, I don't have a clue, something must be overriding later in the chain I guess
[08:45] <mkquist> KemrinH: lol, like that line...
[08:45] <GranitRock> How can i install Ubuntu 7.10 in textmode from Live CD?
[08:45] <devilsadvocate> GranitRock, I'm not certain about it, but afaik that isnt possible
[08:46] <cwillu> GranitRock, how much time are you trying to save?
[08:46] <blades> hello recently i have experienced a few minor difficulties withe User Account Control on Windows Vista does anyone have and advice on what i should do?
[08:46] <cwillu> blades, wrong channel I think
[08:46] <snorkel> blades: goto windows channel
[08:46] <dgjones> blades, you need to join ##windows for windows problems
[08:46] <GranitRock> cwillu: what i'm trying to save?
[08:47] <cwillu> GranitRock, you can do it, but you'd need to be intimately familiar with how live cd's are created, how harddrives are laid out, etc
[08:47] <tokok> blades: try to open cmd and write "format c:"
[08:47] <seacat> GranitRock, You will need the alternate CD
[08:47] <Carbonflux> blades, ya and after that install Ubuntu
[08:47] <cwillu> GranitRock, i.e., if you have to ask, then you really want to get the alternate install cd
[08:47] <blades> what is format c
[08:47] <GranitRock> i know it
[08:47] <mkquist> well, at least he admits to being drunk...  I guess we have all done silly things like that.
[08:47] <cwillu> tokok, none of that
[08:47] <cwillu> blades, go to ##windows please
[08:47] <tokok> blades: if that dosent work, load from ubuntu live cd and format drives with gparted
[08:48] <cwillu> blades, this isn't a vista support channel
[08:48] <GranitRock> but i want do it because i have a problem when try start Ubuntu in normal mode
[08:48] <blades> ok im formatting c now its at 5 percent
[08:48] <Carbonflux> !lart blades
[08:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lart blades - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:48] <Carbonflux> heh
[08:48] <blades> now its at 7
[08:48] <dgjones> GranitRock, you'd be better downloading the alternate cd to install in text mode, that uses that as default
[08:48] <cwillu> aha.  What's the problem you're having when you boot ubuntu?  (won't have anything to do with vista access controls if ubuntu itself doesn't run)
[08:48] <dgjones> !alternate > GranitRock
[08:49] <blades> now its at 13
[08:49] <snorkel> shut up blades
[08:49] <GranitRock> When i start
[08:49] <GranitRock> it
[08:49] <blades> r u sure this will wok
[08:49] <blades> work
[08:49] <GranitRock> *Start common unix printing system: cupsd
[08:49] <GranitRock> not loading
[08:50] <tokok> blades: well, if it isnt, i said use ubuntu live cd :)
[08:50] <Carbonflux> blades, that command is a basicly a universal fix for all windows related issues
[08:50] <GranitRock> i tryed rename it
[08:50] <GranitRock> to K19cupsys
[08:50] <seacat> !alternate | GranitRock
[08:50] <ubotu> GranitRock: The Alternate CD is a classical text-mode installation CD. It supports a wider range of hardware than the !LiveCD.  It can also be used as an upgrade CD. - See also !minimal
[08:50] <GranitRock> i have unlim
[08:50] <GranitRock> 64
[08:50]  * Carbonflux does not think anyone could Really be drunk enough to format their c drive tho
[08:51] <blades> WOW thats awesome u guys rok its at 32 percent
[08:51] <GranitRock> it's so difficult download alternative CD for me
[08:51] <seacat> GranitRock, You are sending fragments that are hard to understand.
[08:51] <mkquist> funny, blades is in ##windows doing the same..
[08:52] <GranitRock> Ыщккнб Шэт Кгыышфт=)
[08:52] <GranitRock> Sorry
[08:52] <GranitRock> I'm Russian
[08:52] <quux> Fart_: did you get a message from 'angelinaJolie26' on join?
[08:52] <tokok> GranitRock: this is excuses you
[08:52] <seacat> GranitRock, Ok, very well, we will try to understand.
[08:52] <zhangwei> 大家好阿
[08:52] <GranitRock> ok
[08:53] <seacat> GranitRock, You have 64 bit processor?
[08:53] <GranitRock> when i start
[08:53] <GranitRock> yes
[08:53] <GranitRock> and i use 64-bit ubuntu
[08:53] <mkquist> quux: wut os are u using?  just curious.  didnt get the message...
[08:53] <quux> mkquist: multiple OS's
[08:53] <GranitRock> i have integrated videocard
[08:53] <quux> brb
[08:53] <seacat> GranitRock, That is ok, that you have 64 bit processor, but no need to install the 64bit version of Ubuntu.
[08:53] <nemilar> !flash
[08:53] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash - The Flash package is currently BROKEN, see « /msg ubotu FlashIssues »
[08:54] <tokok> GranitRock: better join #ubuntu-ru
[08:54] <GranitRock> i were install it
[08:54] <blades> 58 percent
[08:54] <GranitRock> i know about this channel
[08:54] <seacat> GranitRock, As to your original question, you might need to download the alternate ISO in order to complete the install.
[08:55] <GranitRock> yes
[08:55] <GranitRock> but i saw
[08:55] <seacat> GranitRock, And just stick with i386
[08:55] <mkquist> btw, 'said this once before, but wth' blades is trolling both channels being insulting to both
[08:55] <GranitRock> that it's so difficult!
[08:55] <GranitRock> i tryed i386
[08:55] <GranitRock> it's has this problem too
[08:56] <dgjones> !offtopic > blades
[08:56] <tokok> mkquist: does he saying compiz rules in windows channel?
[08:56] <Carbonflux> I have tried both on a amd 64 machine, the performance difference btw 64 and 32 bit are barely noticeable really
[08:56] <cwillu> BAAAAAH
[08:56] <seacat> mkquist, Thank you for the information, but we are more interested in Ubuntu  here :)
[08:56] <Fart_> hey there, I got ubuntu on IDE disc. Rest of the data is on a raid 0 - two SATA II discs. I cant find them, is there any utility or driver to make it working?
[08:56] <xzv> 8 kb/s internet speed is very slowly for downloading ISOs...
[08:56] <GranitRock> yes
[08:56] <mkquist> seacat: i know, just for the info... in case anyone baits
[08:56] <GranitRock> i agree with xzv
[08:56] <Carbonflux> still, I ended up installing the amd 64 build
[08:57] <cwillu> Carbonflux, snorkel, Works fine, but the gconf setting for tab is case sensitive (despite what the description of the key says):  it must be "Tab"
[08:57] <Carbonflux> ok
[08:57] <Carbonflux> heh, good to know
[08:57] <blades> 79 percent
[08:57] <bahman> Hi everybody
[08:58]  * Carbonflux waves at bahadunn
[08:58] <blades> hi bahman do u like windows
[08:58]  * Carbonflux waves at bahman
[08:58] <bahman> I try to use XChat in new installed Ubuntu
[08:58] <Carbonflux> it automatically connects you to this channel
[08:58] <Carbonflux> welcome
[08:58]  * cwillu super-tabs to the next workspace
[08:59] <Carbonflux> really it maps into freenode
[08:59]  * cwillu celebrates.  Yay!!!
[08:59]  * Carbonflux cheers at cwillu
[08:59] <bahman> blades what is it?! Carbonflux?!
[08:59] <snorkel> welcome bahman ubuntu virgin
[08:59] <tokok> blades: something is wrong, problem should have been already fixed, i think the only way is to use special windows-on-HDD destroyer devices
[08:59] <bahman> Thanks snorkel
[09:00] <cwillu> blades, seriously, enough
[09:00] <Carbonflux> bahman, freenode is a epic network of great people working together in perfect bliss for the good of all humanity
[09:00] <cwillu> !windows
[09:00] <ubotu> For discussion and help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and /msg ubotu equivalents
[09:00] <VvWolverinevV> hi, what's the difference between fuseblk and ntfs-3g??
[09:00] <Ububegin> lets say I do export AXISCPP=/usr/local/axiscpp_deploy or sumtin... how do i check that these variable is set or not...
[09:00] <bahman> snorkel could you tell me which chat program is the best for IRC?!
[09:00] <cwillu> VvWolverinevV, ping
[09:00] <woodwizzle> I am trying to get a 3 monitor setup running. I have 2 going fine. I have the 3rd plugged into a PCI card and it isn't working
[09:01] <snorkel> bahman: i use xchat
[09:01] <cwillu> woodwizzle, multiple physical cards is a pretty tricky, the hardware really needs to be known good
[09:01] <Carbonflux> ya, xchat is good
[09:01] <snorkel> bahman: check #ubunutu-bots
[09:02] <woodwizzle> cwillu: the main card is a nvidia 8600gt. The other is also an nvidia card, not sure the exact model
[09:02] <cwillu> woodwizzle, how does it die?
[09:02] <cwillu> woodwizzle, pastebin me your xorg.conf
[09:02] <Carbonflux> woodwizzle, did you try using sudo nvidia-settings to generate a xorg.conf file ?
[09:02] <Ububegin> lets say I do [export AXISCPP=/usr/local/axiscpp_deploy] or sumtin... how do i check that these variable is set or not...
[09:02] <cwillu> woodwizzle, both fairly recent though?
[09:03] <_ruben> Ububegin: echo $EXISCPP
[09:03] <woodwizzle> cwillu: it doesn't die. It just doesn't get anything on that screen
[09:03] <_ruben> Ububegin: without the typos
[09:03] <VvWolverinevV> cwillu: do you know the difference between fuseblk and ntfs-3g?
[09:03] <woodwizzle> cwillu: its not like a rivatnt or anyhing.
[09:03] <woodwizzle> Carbonflux: no i hadn't tried that
[09:04] <bahman> thanks snorkel, but how could I copy your name, ex. when I want to say it in any way?!
[09:04] <bahman> Carbonflux Thanks
[09:04] <cwillu> VvWolverinevV, off the top of my head, I believe fuseblk is the userspace filesystem api, which ntfs-3g (among other projects) uses so they don't have to mess around with kernel modules
[09:04] <woodwizzle> cwillu: looks like itsa NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440]
[09:04] <cwillu> woodwizzle, k, get me that xorg.conf file
[09:04] <cwillu> !pastebin