[05:06] <micahg> if an AA has a minute, Bug #1187435 is blocking abiword from migrating to the release pocket
[05:06] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1187435 in sugar-write-activity-0.86 (Ubuntu) "Please remove pyabiword" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1187435
[06:54] <tjaalton> is there a way to push an update to -updates quicker than letting it linger on -proposed for one week?
[06:56] <RAOF> tjaalton: Yeah, you can prod SRU people to release it sooner if you can justify (a) why it's safe and (b) why it's urgent.
[06:56] <tjaalton> it's bug 1197316
[06:56] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1197316 in mesa (Ubuntu Raring) "GPU hang with Haswell GT3" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1197316
[06:57] <tjaalton> kinda urgent now that the new pci-id additions got through :)
[06:57] <tjaalton> also, an IHV wants it yesterday..
[06:58] <tjaalton> the quantal ones are urgent, raring bumps the version too
[06:58] <tjaalton> so that can bake in until the piglit tests are done
[06:59] <RAOF> I wish that people would actually comment when they set "verification-done"
[07:00] <tjaalton> acelan did
[07:00] <tjaalton> I added a new tag for raring
[07:00] <RAOF> No, he just set "verification-done-quantal" without making any comment.
[07:00] <tjaalton> refresh
[07:00] <RAOF> At least as far as I can tel.
[07:00] <RAOF> :)
[07:00] <tjaalton> maybe should've tagged precise though, that's my bad
[07:00] <RAOF> Yay!
[07:01] <tjaalton> or, the tagging doesn't actually work with all these combos :)
[07:01] <tjaalton> but it's essentially the same package, even though not run on quantal
[07:04] <RAOF> Ok, those changes seem sensible enough. How much testing has that package got so far?
[07:05] <infinity> s/package/package set/ as I assume it also need the new xvideo-intel?
[07:05] <tjaalton> not this bug
[07:05] <tjaalton> infinity: ^
[07:05] <infinity> But, the other bug?
[07:06] <tjaalton> it's two bugs, this one was "caused" by updates for bug 1175533
[07:06] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1175533 in linux (Ubuntu Quantal) "[HSW] intel VGA driver i915 doesn't support new haswell graphics [8086:0a2e] " [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1175533
[07:06] <RAOF> s/caused/exposed by/
[07:06] <tjaalton> right, 9.0.3 needed these backports
[07:06] <infinity> Okay, but no one's re-verified that bug with the new packages.
[07:06] <tjaalton> and 9.1.4 for raring includes both the new pci-id's and the GT3 enablement work
[07:07] <tjaalton> the quantal backports have been verified
[07:07] <tjaalton> by hwe
[07:07] <infinity> I like the theory, but I see no evidence of that on the bug log.
[07:07] <infinity> Not since the new packages were accepted last night by me.
[07:07] <tjaalton> well you accepted -intel yesterday, so it's only mesa now that needs an update on quantal :)
[07:07] <infinity> "I verified this once, then things got changed again" doesn't quite qualify.
[07:07] <tjaalton> and mesa-lts-quantal
[07:08] <infinity> Especially when update A caused regression B.
[07:08] <tjaalton> it wouldn't work without the new intel
[07:08] <infinity> I kinda want to see it all well-tested again in the current state, not something hand-wavy.
[07:08] <tjaalton> these were tested with -proposed
[07:08] <infinity> They were tested BEFORE they built.
[07:09] <infinity> ie: with the previous versions.
[07:09] <tjaalton> how so?
[07:09] <infinity> The last action on 1175533 is on June 27th.
[07:09] <infinity> Then I accepted a new mesa.
[07:09] <tjaalton> oh you mean that
[07:10] <tjaalton> hmm so the -intel was binary new for proposed
[07:10] <tjaalton> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5842611/
[07:10] <tjaalton> this is what he had installed
[07:10] <tjaalton> plus kernel -36
[07:10] <infinity> And the binary new Intel stuff too, yeah.  I only accepted that yesterday.
[07:10] <tjaalton> oh libdrm needs a shove too
[07:10] <infinity> So, it can't have been tested before.
[07:11] <tjaalton> so it's easy, accept them all together :)
[07:11] <infinity> I can do that, I just want to make sure all the bugs addressed have all had some solid verification with current versions.
[07:12] <infinity> And that there's been at least some attempt at regression testing on perhaps more than one specific HWE platform.
[07:12] <tjaalton> I can ask acelan to update 1175533 too
[07:12] <infinity> (I'd like to think both these things are true, but I see little evidence of either)
[07:12] <tjaalton> and I can test them on another haswell
[07:13] <tjaalton> non-gt3
[07:13] <infinity> Kay.  Please do.
[07:14] <infinity> And get me a complete package list that needs to go in on both precise and quantal in one shot.
[07:14] <infinity> And make sure all the referenced bugs appear to have been addressed in some fashion.
[07:14] <infinity> And I'll happily promote the lot early.
[07:14] <tjaalton> sure, thanks!
[07:15] <tjaalton> well the kernel probably will have it's own schedule but should happen later this week anyway
[07:15] <RAOF> tjaalton: That code doesn't only hit haswell, though? infinity might be happier if sandybridge and ivybridge get some regression-testing, too?
[07:15] <infinity> tjaalton: And please do the matching raring bits ASAP too, since I'm about to switch the precise dailies to the raring stack. :P
[07:15] <tjaalton> RAOF: right, I'll boot my laptop with 12.04..
[07:15] <tjaalton> sandybridge
[07:15] <infinity> tjaalton: Kernel's just waiting on Cert, everything else is done, so they may be released by me tomorrow.  You could try to light a fire there and ask what's up.
[07:16] <tjaalton> infinity: yeah, I'll get that done today
[07:16] <tjaalton> infinity: we asked bjf and nothing should be blocking it afaik
[07:17] <infinity> tjaalton: Like I said, they're blocked on Cert testing.
[07:17] <infinity> (Which has nothing to do with bjf)
[07:17] <tjaalton> hmm
[07:17] <tjaalton> ok I'll ask someone from cert then :)
[07:17] <infinity> tjaalton: spineau is the one who appears to have taken the tasks.
[07:17] <brendand> tjaalton, we aim to get the bugs updated by thursday of the testing week
[07:18] <infinity> tjaalton: See http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kernel-sru-workflow.html
[07:18] <brendand> tjaalton, that's today
[07:18] <infinity> brendand: Ahh, you're listening in.  Hi. :)
[07:18] <brendand> infinity, just dropping some eaves
[07:18] <infinity> brendand: If they get updated during EUR work hours, I can promote during my NA day, which would make me happy.
[07:19] <brendand> infinity, actually i'm not marshalling that testing this week, but the person who is is in France, so yes it should happen by end of Europe day
[07:19] <tjaalton> oh ok cool
[07:19] <infinity> brendand: Yeah, I noticed it was spineau.  Though, he hasn't claimed all the kernels, just some of them (according to the bugs, anyway).
[07:20] <infinity> brendand: If you want to look into if some of them got "lost", that would be nice. :)
[07:20] <infinity> brendand: Looks like they're all in progress except for linux/raring.
[07:21] <infinity> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1191955
[07:21] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1191955 in Kernel SRU Workflow "linux: 3.8.0-26.38 -proposed tracker" [Medium,In progress]
[07:21] <tjaalton> infinity: if you want to switch stacks, you probably want to accept the lts-raring backports as well then, aiui those have been in proposed for a loong time now, 36 days in fact
[07:21] <brendand> infinity, we did start testing that - it looks almost finished
[07:22] <infinity> tjaalton: I'll be building the dailies from -proposed initially anyway, but yeah, that's the ultimate plan, obviously.
[07:22] <brendand> infinity, if you're interested, bookmark this: http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/sru-testing/current/
[07:23] <infinity> I might have to add a link to that on the bottom of sru-workflow, so I don't lose it.
[07:25] <infinity> brendand: And thanks.  I'll check the state of the world in the morning and hope for a pleasant surprise. :)
[07:26] <infinity> tjaalton: So, that should handle the kernel side.  Just get me whatever verification and regression testing I need for the mesa/X bits, and poke me for my morning.
[07:26] <tjaalton> infinity: ok, cool
[07:26] <infinity> tjaalton: /msg if you don't want me to lose it in a haze of morning pre-coffee madness. :)
[07:26] <tjaalton> it's what, 0:26AM there now?
[07:26] <infinity> 01:26
[07:27] <tjaalton> alright
[07:27] <tjaalton> I'll get it done and ping, react when ready :)
[07:37] <jibel> cjwatson, I push r211 of adt-britney. collect now returns all the latest results, and should not forget previous status. Just in case, I added option -n to revert to the previous behavior and show only freshly collected results.
[08:39] <cjwatson> jibel: Great, thanks
[08:56] <Laney> Does britney consider Breaks for uninstallability?
[08:58] <seb128> or asked different "if the new xorg-server Breaks: unity (<< to-be-uploaded)", will britney stop it to migrate to saucy while unity is not updated?
[10:44] <cjwatson> Laney,seb128: only if some package depends on both xorg-server and unity, or if unity depends on xorg-server
[10:44] <cjwatson> proposed-migration doesn't (and can't) require everything to be coinstallable
[10:48] <Laney> cjwatson: Yeah. I thought maybe it would see that the situation is worse (i.e. that they were coinstallable and now are not) and care about that.
[10:49] <cjwatson> Nope, that gets into NP-complete hell very quickly.
[10:49] <Laney> Right, and it might not necessarily be a problem
[10:49] <cjwatson> Indeed.
[10:50] <Laney> Do we have a fauxpkg (I think that's the right term) for ubuntu-desktop et al?
[10:50] <infinity> cjwatson: "some package" does depend on xorg-server and unity, it's called ubuntu-desktop.
[10:50] <Laney> wait, that's not even necessary
[10:50] <cjwatson> Then that ought to do it.
[10:50] <Laney> yeah
[10:50] <Laney> I thought they were recommends, but checked and they are not
[10:51] <cjwatson> (I'm sick.  All you get from me today is the stuff most deeply embedded into my consciousness.  Sadly that appears to include the fundamental workings of britney)
[10:53] <Laney> Yeah, a fauxpkg for the ubuntu-desktop /task/ was probably what I was thinking of
[14:36] <cjwatson> jibel: Great, this is working (cf. xorg-server -> firefox).  So now it's just the fix for virtual package handling, I think?
[14:37]  * cjwatson goes to announce this
[14:38] <jibel> cjwatson, yes virtual packages and the retry command.
[14:40] <cjwatson> The first is workaroundable by forcing occasionally, so I won't block announcing on that
[14:40] <cjwatson> Sent to u-d-a
[15:53]  * cjwatson sticks a chdist-mainonly command in lillypilly:/home/ubuntu-archive/bin/ and removes the -mainonly chdist configs
[15:53] <cjwatson> should speed up archive-reports
[16:23] <micahg> cjwatson: can you look at Bug #1187435 is blocking abiword from migrating to the release pocket
[16:23] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1187435 in sugar-write-activity-0.86 (Ubuntu) "Please remove pyabiword" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1187435
[18:03] <jbicha> please promote the activity-log-manager binary to main
[18:09] <infinity> jbicha: Done.
[20:52] <mlankhorst> !!


 I also have some problem, but with debian and pppoeconf on a pi...
[18:51] <nitroshift> more specifically on a patch
[18:51] <ars23> so, let's try.
[18:52] <nitroshift> marvell released a patch to enable network fast processing but that was for kernel 3.2
[18:52] <nitroshift> how feasible is it to portr it for current kernel versions?
[18:52] <nitroshift> meaning 3.18 - 4.0
[18:53] <nitroshift> the tricky part is integrating the hooks in netfilter code
[18:54] <ars23> yes, and also the dependencies...
[18:54] <nitroshift> those too
[18:55] <nitroshift> but the dependencies are easier to port
[18:56] <nitroshift> i really wanted to talk to NCommander as he was the one that brought the patch into ubuntu code (though it was for kernel 3.2.0)
[18:57] <ars23> yes, I think is better to wait for him... and talk with him...
[18:58] <nitroshift> thought so... but it's late here, going to bed
[18:58] <nitroshift> talk tomorrow
[18:58] <nitroshift> see ya guys
[18:58] <nitroshift> see ya ars23 and thanks :)
[18:59] <ars23> you're welcome! bye!
[21:05]  * NCommander is
[21:05] <NCommander> But I missed nitroshift
[23:11] <danielbrazilian> hello is odroid c1 officially supported by ubuntu?


[00:51] <cluelessperson> I don't like that Ubuntu's menus/settings/configurations are getting more sparse
[00:58] <cluelessperson> customization is a win for linux
[01:10] <energizer> cluelessperson: #kde wooo
[01:16] <texla> Trying to install kubuntu 18.04 on a hdd with 3 primary partition setting up /dev/sda4 primary with 39962 mb ext4 format mount point / beginning of space getting message /dev/sda4 assigned to / start at an offset of 3072 bytes from the minimum alignment for this disc How do I correct !
[02:14] <instantp10neer> I lost connection to the CUPS server in a new Xubuntu 18.04 install.  Can anyone share what should be typed in the "connect" box for CUPS?
[02:32] <moredrowsy> hey guys, i'm running ubuntu on an externel hd and recently just found out why some applications were so SLOW to load or even stop loading, such as calculator, system monitor and etc. so i'm deciding to just remove all snap stuff
[02:32] <moredrowsy> what's the official way to remove all snap related stuff?
[02:32] <moredrowsy> and replace it with the deb version?
[02:40] <instantp10neer> Where should I extract Thunderbird on Xubuntu?  What is the normal location?
[02:41] <cluelessperson> where is the sleep/screensaver time setting on ubuntu?
[02:41] <cluelessperson> Ubuntu 18 has taken it away
[02:51] <nacc> moredrowsy: what does the one have to do with the other? but you can snap remove things (needs sudo) and then see if debs are present.
[02:53] <moredrowsy> because the snap version of the programs are so slow and sometimes wont load. i just want to replace it all with the deb version
[02:53] <cluelessperson> oh found it
[02:53] <cluelessperson> under "privacy" not display, or "securiyt"
[02:54] <nacc> moredrowsy: if they are slow, that's a bug -- they aren't for most people.
[03:03] <k_sze[work]> You know how Windows tries to automatically install new drivers only when you install new hardware? How does it work in a Linux-based OS like Ubuntu?
[03:04] <k_sze[work]> Are all drivers already installed and ready for loading (via udev?)
[03:05] <k_sze[work]> And if there's some hardware that Ubuntu doesn't recognise, I would have to go download the driver myself (maybe from the manufacturer's website)?
[03:08] <DouglasK> I have a laptop with both an NVIDIA and an Intel graphics card... is there any way to convince Ubuntu 18.04 to prefer the NVidia?
[03:08] <k_sze[work]> DouglasK: have you looked into Bumblebee?
[03:09] <DouglasK> Not yet... was hoping for RTFMs and good Google terms.  This sounds like the latter.  Thanks!
[03:11] <k_sze[work]> Assuming your dual GPU is based on NVIDIA Optimus technology.
[03:14] <madLyfe> i have a file that is 15.9Gib and every time i try to remove it it appears again with its name incremented by 1. wtf
[03:14] <cluelessperson> tesla filed a patent for automatic turn signals
[03:14] <cluelessperson> twf
[03:15] <cluelessperson> those should not be valid patents
[03:15] <madLyfe> how do i get rid of it? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/CmH7y1MW/image.png
[03:16] <mouses> madLyfe: looks like you are using ocml-fuze there right?
[03:16] <madLyfe> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QqnhHVBG6p/
[03:16] <madLyfe> no idea what that means
[03:17] <mouses> madLyfe: Okay.  Nevermind.  Can you pop open a terminal and rm /path/to/file.name ?
[03:17] <madLyfe> there was a DUMP file in there that i thought came from windows of the same size. i tried to remove it, and it looks like it turned into this .fuse file.
[03:17] <k_sze[work]> madLyfe: https://askubuntu.com/questions/493198/what-is-a-fuse-hidden-file-and-why-do-they-exist#493206
[03:17] <madLyfe> mouses: look at my paste, i did that
[03:17] <mouses> ahhh sorry just saw the image, not the paste
[03:19] <mouses> madLyfe: So, what kind of device is this plugged into the system?
[03:19] <madLyfe> k_sze[work]: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FtC36C9cD8/
[03:19] <madLyfe> ah
[03:19] <madLyfe> rsync is just making 15gb files?
[03:19] <k_sze[work]> :)
[03:19] <madLyfe> wtf
[03:19] <k_sze[work]> Are you currently rsyncing files?
[03:20] <madLyfe> i had to kill the rsync cuz it wasnt completing and want to start over fresh. can i git rid of the file somehow
[03:20] <k_sze[work]> You could check the complete command line of that rsycn process using ps, I think.
[03:20] <madLyfe> not currently, but i was. i tried to log out and back in but nope
[03:20] <k_sze[work]> Then you first need to kill the rsync process somehow.
[03:20] <k_sze[work]> Clearly it's still hanging around and you don't want that.
[03:21] <madLyfe> hmm i was pretty sure i stopped it. probably not fully: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/iFz7kUvF/image.png
[03:21] <madLyfe> hmmm i cant end the process
[03:22] <madLyfe> killed em
[03:23] <madLyfe> ok its gone
[03:23] <madLyfe> tyvm
[04:13] <TorbenLeif> Hello, I'm curious. Been thinking a lot recently and outside of video games and web browsers, do many people even really use desktop applications anymore? It seems like the conversion to webapps has encompassed the majority of society at this point (thus Chromebooks/HP Stream).
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> TorbenLeif: not a topic for this channel
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> TorbenLeif: this is ubuntu support
[04:14] <TorbenLeif> Ooooh, thought it was just a general chat. My bad, is there a general chat room for linux users?
[05:01] <mbuf> When I use "sudo apt-get -o Acquire::ForceIPv4=true update" on Ubuntu Xenial 16.04.3 LTS, it hangs at "http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-backports/universe Translation-en". How can I fix this?
[05:20] <mbuf> I now tried switching to http://in.archive.ubuntu.com mirror, but, again "sudo apt-get -o Acquire::ForceIPv4=true update" hangs at xenial-backports/universe Translation-en". Any idea how can I update and upgrade?
[05:24] <gt8ost4l> can anybody help me i want to change my grub file configuration file from GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash intel_idle.max_cstate=1" from adding GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash nolapic_timer clocksource=jiffies"
[05:28] <viveksoni> Hi Team
[05:28] <viveksoni> I have set cronjobs
[05:28] <Bashing-om> gt8ost4l: What is the nature of your difficulty ?
[05:29] <viveksoni> whenever cronjobs is run.. it throws "Message: No space left on device - <pdf_path>"
[05:29] <viveksoni> i am deleting this in each cronjob
[05:29] <viveksoni> not sure why iam getting this error
[05:30] <viveksoni> it would be a great if someone can give me pointers
[05:31] <Bashing-om> viveksoni: As a place to start - what shows ' df -h ; df -i ' ?
[05:31] <gt8ost4l> Bashing-om: i told you already combing two lines into one!
[05:31] <viveksoni> let me give some information about that cronjobs.. it fetch some pdf from website and download it parse it
[05:32] <gt8ost4l> Bashing-om: is it  quiet splash intel_idle.max_cstate=1 nolapic_timer clocksource=jiffies"
[05:32] <viveksoni> Bashing-om: http://paste.openstack.org/show/729204/
[05:34] <Bashing-om> gt8ost4l: Yep . remember to update grub once the file is saved . ( make a back up before editing )
[05:36] <gt8ost4l> Bashing-om: are you certain positively i dont want to run into problems
[05:37] <Bashing-om> viveksoni: Humm ,, plenty of space in the drive ,, and it is not out of inodes either. Where is the action taking place ?
[05:37] <viveksoni> aws ec2 instance
[05:38] <viveksoni> that cronjobs is running one ruby script
[05:38] <Bashing-om> gt8ost4l: Nope ! No idea why you are making these kernel calls .
[05:39] <viveksoni> which is fetch pdf and storing it, extracting data & parsing the data and then data is stored in DB and then pdf is removed
[05:39] <gt8ost4l> Bashing-om: its todo because i have to bash ill break it down
[05:39] <viveksoni> F, [2018-08-30T01:05:06.191085 #20881] FATAL -- : Message: No space left on device - HC_PDF/cal_2018-08-30-1535591106-190.pdf;
[05:39] <viveksoni> D
[05:40] <Bashing-om> viveksoni: Sotty, do not know enough about an ec2 instance - got enough ram allocated to it ?
[05:41] <gt8ost4l> Bashing-om: the "intel_idle.max_cstate=1 is forthe freezing and nolapic_timer clocksource=jiffies is for the audio stuttering
[05:41] <madLyfe> if i have an rsync operation running in tmux, can i log out and back on and it should still be working, correct?
[05:42] <energizer> madLyfe: i dont think so
[05:42] <energizer> unless you mean tmux on another computer
[05:43] <madLyfe> tmux in a terminal that ive started on this user
[05:43] <viveksoni> Bashing-om:http://paste.openstack.org/show/729205/
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> mbuf: update your system to latest, 16.04.5 is out
[05:44] <mbuf> lotuspsychje, yes, but, apt-update is not finishing for me to do apt-get upgrade next
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> mbuf: can you hastebin: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade plz?
[05:44] <mbuf> lotuspsychje, sure, hold on!
[05:47] <mbuf> lotuspsychje, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ghRcPHKq6j/
[05:48] <mbuf> lotuspsychje, it is getting stuck at repo.saltstack.com? I can disable it and re-try?
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> mbuf: yeah try to disable all external ppa's and see what happens after sudo apt update after
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> mbuf: chome ppa is not default either
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> chrome
[05:50] <Bashing-om> gt8ost4l: If you are unsure of the effectivness of a boot parameter, one can test from grub.
[05:51] <mbuf> lotuspsychje, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/q9DxmrJRGP/
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> !sources | mbuf
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> mbuf: the ppa purge your external ppa's, those mirror.txt repos should also not be there
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> try
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> !ppapurge | mbuf
[05:56] <mbuf> lotuspsychje, I was actually trying this - https://askubuntu.com/a/779297
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> mbuf: you can try, but i would go for the original ppa's in your sources
[05:59] <mbuf> lotuspsychje, I switched them now, and disable chrome repo
[06:00] <mbuf> lotuspsychje, now it is stuck at https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YvbysSZr2M/
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> hmm thats not normal indeed
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> mbuf: can i ask, are you behind firewall or router?
[06:01] <mbuf> lotuspsychje, yes
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> mbuf: could you try a direct connection/cable to your modem please?
[06:01] <mbuf> lotuspsychje, using an ISP router
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> ah
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> mbuf: its because i doubt its .us that lags
[06:02] <mbuf> lotuspsychje, can I use "-o Acquire::ForceIPv4=true" with apt update?
[06:02] <EriC^^> yeah
[06:06] <dudeji> hi , by mistake i created file " sudo vim sudo vim some_file " what is location of this file ?
[06:07] <EriC^^> dudeji: in the current directory
[06:08] <dudeji> actually  i gave my path to sudo vim sudo vim  /etc/systemd/system/some_file
[06:10] <EriC^^> dudeji: i think it would create 3 files consecutively, the first one called "sudo" in the current directory
[06:20] <dw1> is there a way to enable brightness controls on a desktop without a custom script
[06:20] <dw1> i.e. in Settings
[06:20] <dw1> 18.04
[06:20] <mbuf> lotuspsychje, EriC^^ https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QqmGzx84jR/
[06:21] <mbuf> let me try a direct Internet connection
[06:21] <tokam> Hello, can you please verify that this binary package is correctly built?
[06:21] <tokam> https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/amd64/duplicity/download
[06:22] <tokam> if I download it and unpack the binary with the archiver to /tmp/ and than run /tmp/duplicity -V I get this output
[06:22] <tokam> duplicity 0.7.02
[06:22] <tokam> but deja-dup on Ubuntu 18.04 requires duplicity >= 0.7.14
[06:25] <dw1> when i install duplicity via apt it's 0.7.17
[06:26] <mbuf> lotuspsychje, with direct Internet connection, it is still stuck at "xenial-backports/universe Translation-en". I tried apt-get update on a different Ubuntu 16.04.1 VM and it was fine. Something is messed up on this system. How can I build the packages and repo list from scratch?
[06:27] <mouses> dw1: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:duplicity-team/ppa && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[06:28] <dw1> and the deb from that site says 0.7.17 too
[06:28] <tokam> dw1: how is it possible that it shows for me always 0.7.02
[06:28] <tokam> also if download it from that site?
[06:28] <mouses> 0.7.17 > 0.7.14 -> just add the ppa and upgrade
[06:29] <tokam> maybe the binary ships two versions which are loaded depending on some setting or dependencies?
[06:29] <mouses> Not sure where the problem is
[06:29] <dw1> the package site says 0.7.17
[06:29] <mouses> weird
[06:29] <tokam> mouses: which ppa?
[06:29] <mouses> dw1: yeah, took me a min
[06:29] <dw1> just install the deb tokam
[06:29] <dw1> why extract manually
[06:29] <mouses> I meant tokam, not dw1
[06:29] <mouses> Sorry, confused a couple names - going to find coffee now
[06:29] <tokam> if I download the binary from the package site and extract it it still says 0.7.02
[06:30] <ducasse> tokam: try just installing with apt
[06:30] <tokam> ducasse: I did this several times
[06:31] <ducasse> tokam: and what happened?
[06:31] <tokam> 0.7.02
[06:31] <tokam> I installed the .deb now but it still says I have 0.7.02
[06:32] <ducasse> you can't always trust the version number the binary spits out, as ubuntu often backports and adds patches
[06:33] <dw1> also i extracted the .deb and the binary says 0.7.17
[06:33] <dw1> do updatedb then locate duplicity
[06:33] <dw1> maybe you installed an old one
[06:34] <dw1> and which duplicity
[06:34] <ducasse> use 'apt policy package' to get the version number of the package
[06:34] <acheronuk> tokam: have you installed 0.7.02 manually somewhere before this?
[06:34] <acheronuk> e.g. in /usr/local?
[06:34] <tokam> acheronuk: I removed all duplicity installations
[06:35] <tokam> and when I extract the binary from the .deb and call it in /tmp/ it still tells me about version 0.7.02
[06:35] <dw1> what about apt install --reinstall duplicity
[06:35] <tokam> I now will try to install from the ppa
[06:35] <tokam> https://launchpad.net/~duplicity-team/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[06:35] <tokam> dw1: I did all this
[06:35] <ducasse> tokam: what's the full filename of the .deb?
[06:36] <tokam> https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/amd64/duplicity/download
[06:36] <tokam> this .deb
[06:36] <tokam> now things are getting weird :(
[06:36] <tokam> I installed version 0.7.18 from the ppa
[06:36] <tokam> but it still shows 0.7.02 to me :(
[06:37] <acheronuk> what does 'which duplicity' in terminal say
[06:37] <tokam> /usr/bin/duplicity
[06:37] <tokam> but if I call it I get this output
[06:37] <tokam> -bash: /usr/local/bin/duplicity: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
[06:37] <tokam> so if I create a symlink
[06:37] <dw1> restart your terminal
[06:37] <tokam> ln -s /usr/bin/duplicity /usr/local/bin/duplicity
[06:37] <tokam> I can run it
[06:38] <tokam> dw1: without a symlink in a new terminal I can run it now.
[06:38] <tokam> but I get
[06:38] <tokam> tokam@localhost:~$ duplicity -V
[06:38] <tokam> duplicity 0.7.02
[06:39] <dw1> remove the one in local
[06:39] <dw1> and restart terminal
[06:39] <tokam> it is removed
[06:39] <tokam> do I need to restart the computer? (which is very unusual on ubuntu)
[06:39] <dw1> no
[06:41] <tokam> what can I do, where does the output 0.7.02 come from?
[06:41] <tokam> as a version spec?
[06:42] <tokam> brb
[06:42] <dw1> updatedb && locate duplicity
[06:42] <dw1> | grep bin
[06:42] <tokam> ok
[06:43] <acheronuk> tokam: it comes from the 0.7.02 version you clearly still have installed somewhere
[06:43] <tokam> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BkgzXbWz9r/
[06:44] <tokam> brb
[06:48] <acheronuk> dw1: tokam may still have the python from 0.7.02 installed in a place that is taking precedence over the newer python from the .deb
[06:49] <acheronuk> i.e. the binary would normally get the version from /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/duplicity/globals.py
[06:49] <dw1> :o
[06:49] <dw1> must be it
[07:05] <OlofL> Whenever I move my mouse on my new laptop. I am spammed with this in dmesg...
[07:05] <OlofL> [54907.763387] i2c_hid i2c-ALP0018:00: i2c_hid_get_input: incomplete report (30/2)
[07:05] <OlofL> However, mouse seem to work normally. Does not happen when I use external mouse
[07:05] <OlofL> HP Elitebook G5
[07:12] <dw1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1784152
[07:13] <dw1> "it was solved when i changed on BIOS the Touchpad option from Advanced to Basic Features."
[07:36] <OlofL> OK thanks I will have a look :)
[07:37] <tokam> it still shows duplicaity 0.07.02
[07:37] <tokam> 0.7.02
[08:37] <m0rd3cai> sd/win 2
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> i installed xscreensaver on 18.04 but vlc & smplayer doesnt seem to block screensaver even the settings say it will prevent, some ideas where to look for that?
[09:15] <TxTablet1> i use caffine myself
[09:16] <ppf> life without caffeine is pointless
[09:17] <TxTablet1> it is a great screen blanker blocker.
[09:17] <lotuspsychje> TxTablet1: did you try it?
[09:18] <TxTablet1> but ppf is so true
[09:18] <TxTablet1> yes i am running it on my computer now.
[09:19] <TxTablet1> i just need to remeber to turn it off when i am not using it.
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> TxTablet1: no, didnt block on caffeine neither here
[09:22] <TxTablet1> you started it and then adjusted the settings on the taskbar
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> TxTablet1: what settings
[09:23] <TxTablet1> click on the coffee cup
[09:23] <TxTablet1> and turn it one
[09:23] <TxTablet1> on
[09:26] <TxTablet1> if it is not working then. i not sure.  just telling you it works for me. i am not a pro with the new ubuntu.
[09:26] <ppf> what about gnome-screensaver instead?
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> TxTablet1: coffeecup is active, no dice
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> ppf: gnome-screensaver isnt installed by default on bionic anymore
[09:27] <ppf> but xscreensaver is?
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> no, i installed it manually
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> i have gl matrix enabled
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> seems to override all movie players here
[09:28] <muhaha> how to get systemd-resolve to dockerized ubuntu ?
[09:28] <ppf> muhaha: can you rephrase the question?
[09:29] <muhaha> ppf: dockerized ubuntu does not use systemd also systemd-resolve which I need to use with shadowsocks
[09:30] <muhaha> maybe I can use dnsmasq ?
[09:31] <Cheez> i thought it did anyway. that's how ive seen it done (at least, docker through kubernetes - uses skydns on the masters and dnsmasq for service resolution)
[09:32] <mbuf> lotuspsychje, got it fixed! I searched for the error "hash mismatch" and found that it could be a connection to the server. I let Software Centre choose the best mirror, and after changing the mirror, "apt-get update" worked fine.
[09:33] <mbuf> lotuspsychje, thanks for your help!
[09:33] <ppf> muhaha: can you no just run resolved?
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> mbuf: your welcome
[09:35] <mbuf> lotuspsychje, is it recommended to upgrade to Bionic?
[09:35] <lotuspsychje> mbuf: if you system is ready for it,yes
[09:35] <mbuf> lotuspsychje, okay, thanks!
[09:35] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade | mbuf
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> mbuf: backup your data before and plugin power adapter :p
[09:36] <muhaha> ppf: what?
[09:36] <mbuf> lotuspsychje, will do
[09:36] <ppf> muhaha: ?
[09:37] <muhaha> ppf
[09:37] <muhaha> muhaha: can you no just run resolved?
[09:37] <ppf> ya. if dnsmasq isn't available already, can you just run resolved?
[09:42] <muhaha> ppf: what package name exactly?
[09:43] <ppf> muhaha: it's part of systemd
[09:44] <muhaha> ppf: ah, like i said, ubuntu image is completly without systemd... integrate it back would be a really mess
[09:45] <muhaha> i will try dnsmasq ... Like if I use <IP_ADDRESS>:53 as DNS server, it should forward all requests to servers in /etc/resolf.conf ?
[09:46] <ppf> er, no
[09:46] <ppf> the other way around
[09:46] <ppf> if you set <IP_ADDRESS>:53 in /etc/resolv.conf, it forwards all requests to dnsmasq
[09:50] <muhaha> ah :( Here is a thing.. I am using SNX (Checkpoint VPN) which sets DNS servers to /etc/resolv.conf and I am also using shadowsocks-libev server, but seems that it is not working correctly without systemd-resolve, I will not read nameservers directly from /etc/resolv.conf. So  I need way to let SNX setup servers to dnsmasq and then let shadowsocks s
[09:50] <muhaha> erver use <IP_ADDRESS> as DNS server
[09:52] <ppf> sure, that works
[09:52] <leosemilie> how switch onboard to greek
[09:59] <muhaha> ppf: can not :( snx is proprietary sw .. lol
[09:59] <muhaha> any idea how to run a dnsmasq to look in /etc/resolv.conf ? :d
[10:15] <ppf> muhaha: why? that'd be recursive
[10:40] <leosemilie> how doing
[10:47] <leosemilie> how changing onboard language into greek
[10:56] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:36] <jonnno> testing am i registered and identified (can talk now in this room?)
[11:38] <lotuspsychje> jonnno: we see you
[11:39] <jonnno> guys can anyone tell me where i can ask about what version linux is gud (low resource using) for my old laptop (Sony VAIO VGN-FW26G/B 4G ram core 2 duo P8600 CPU
[11:40] <jonnno> thanks mon lotuspsychje
[11:41] <jonnno> ive tried ' /list ' no luck
[11:41] <lotuspsychje> jonnno: try an ubuntu version from our topic
[11:42] <jonnno> ok a flavour of ubuntu which one uses least resources
[11:42] <lotuspsychje> jonnno: lubuntu or xubuntu is lightweight
[11:42] <jonnno> (from our topic what u mean-guessing u mean the question is off topic yeah?
[11:42] <jonnno> thank you
[11:43] <lotuspsychje> jonnno: no the topic is ontop, when you enter the channel you see several supported ubuntu versions
[11:48] <lotuspsychje> jonnno: ubuntu 18.04 has also now a minimal option in the setup
[11:54] <jonnno> thats great to know thank you very much was just cooking the wife dinner
[11:56] <jonnno> would that be minimal installation of various apps or low use of ram/resources or both and why please
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> jonnno: its the users choice really, a normal lubuntu install surely will suit your system..but if you really want it minimal, choose minimal to save space on your hd also
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> jonnno: just keep in mind installing minimal would make you install all kinds of other things manually
[11:59] <jonnno> thats cool i usually end up using sudo apt-get install* heaps of times even on the full version
[12:00] <guiverc> jonnno, just fyi:  i prefer xubuntu (which isn't as light as lubuntu) just because it's my preference...  the apps/programs you use can also cause a drop in performance (eg. using qt/kde apps under a non-qt system like xubuntu/lubuntu will waste memory & resources as the GUI/DEsktop uses one set, the app uses different libs..) so a lighter DEsktop choice may not work if using non-native programs/apps... just an fyi.
[12:03] <jonnno> thank you
[12:04] <jonnno> you two are sending replies to my username whats that command im have a mental blank or a link to an irc chat command cheatlist
[12:04] <jonnno> please
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> !tab | jonnno
[12:05] <jonnno> !tab | jonno
[12:05] <guiverc> just use the name of the person you want to address in the text line.. jonnno
[12:05] <jonnno> lmao
[12:05] <jonnno> thank you
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> jonnno: type the first few letters of my name then press TAB
[12:05] <jonnno> like terminal for auto completer
[12:05] <jonnno> complete
[12:06] <jonnno> lotuspsychje, test
[12:06] <jonnno> lotuspsychje test
[12:06] <jonnno> not sure if that was correct does it show up as intended on ur screen
[12:06] <jonnno> not on mine
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> jonnno: it works
[12:07] <jonnno> cool thank you
[12:07] <jonnno> Jonno_FTW, laughs
[12:08] <jonnno> jonnno laughs
[12:08] <guiverc> jonnno, try "/me laughs"
[12:08] <lotuspsychje> jonnno: we try to focus here on ubuntu support questions only, try #ubuntu-offtopic for other chat
[12:08]  * jonnno laughs
[12:08] <jonnno> nice
[12:08] <guiverc> sorry lotuspsychje
[12:08] <jonnno> thank u both
[12:09] <jonnno> clea
[12:09] <jonnno> clear
[12:09] <jonnno> im off sorry and bye all
[12:34] <duoi> hey
[12:34] <duoi> so i updated my kernel
[12:34] <duoi> which was a mistake
[12:34] <duoi> how exactly should i downgrade?
[12:34] <duoi> does grub just autoselect the latest one? if so, do i remove the newer ones? if yes, then how
[12:34] <lotuspsychje> duoi: some details please?
[12:34] <duoi> lotuspsychje, newer kernel doesnt support my wireless network card
[12:35] <lotuspsychje> duoi: kernel version? chipset?
[12:36] <duoi> lotuspsychje, the newer one is 4.10
[12:36] <lotuspsychje> duoi: wich ubuntu version are you on exactly?
[12:38] <duoi> lotuspsychje, 16.04
[12:38] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[12:39] <lotuspsychje> duoi: it doesnt seem you are on the right version, lsb_release -a please?
[12:39] <duoi> lotuspsychje, i manually updated the kernel to something not necessarily supported
[12:39] <duoi> i was hoping it would have fixed my gpu issues
[12:39] <ikonia> and there we go
[12:39] <ikonia> "something that's not supported, please support me"
[12:39] <duoi> ikonia, oh please
[12:39] <ikonia> ?
 so i updated my kernel
 which was a mistake
[12:39] <duoi> first thing
[12:40] <duoi> i know i fucked up, im not asking you to hold my hand, im just asking how to safely remove the newer kernel
[12:40] <ikonia> tone down the langauge
[12:40] <duoi> sure, hopefully you also contain your attitude
[12:41] <ikonia> there is no attitude
[12:41] <duoi> okay
[12:43] <lotuspsychje> duoi: your ubuntu release please?
[12:46] <duoi> lotuspsychje, it's okay, a bit of googling told me that i just need to `apt-get remove` the binaries and i should be good to go. it would update grub and so on itself, apparently.
[12:46] <duoi> about to reboot and give it a shot :)
[12:48] <duoi> lotuspsychje, worked as intended! thank you so much for your help either way :)
[12:49] <lotuspsychje> duoi: on ubuntu, just update your system next time
[12:52] <duoi> i blame amd for their terrible drivers
[12:52] <duoi> but youre right
[12:53] <duoi> this machine hasnt been booted up in over a year so i left a trail of destruction without realising it
[12:54] <guiverc> duoi, that explains a little; 4.10 reached EOL in Ubuntu (17.04) back in Jan-2018...
[13:10] <osa1> I just had a power outage and after booting the system again I realized that one of the files I was working on is gone -- the file is there but it's empty. any tips on recovering it?
[13:12] <brli_> hi, is thunderbird 60.0 prepared?
[13:12] <lotuspsychje> osa1: you could try recovering the file with photorec
[13:12] <lotuspsychje> osa1: and filter on the filetype you lost
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> !latest | brli_
[13:15] <brli_> lotuspsychje: I understand, however, even thunderbird-next ppa doesn't have it :/
[13:16] <lotuspsychje> brli_: we dont support external ppa's here, try to stick to the official ubuntu repos or !backports or snaps
[13:16] <brli_> okay, thank you.
[13:16] <lotuspsychje> brli_: snap has the thunderbird  58.0b3 version if you like
[13:16] <brli_> (though the TB-next ppa is maintained by official mozilla team anyway.
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> brli_: then contact the mozilla team for questions about it
[13:17] <brli_> okay, thank you.
[13:17] <ppf> so i though thunderbird was discontinued
[13:32] <BluesKaj> ppf, TB is still in the repos
[13:52] <shelton> hello
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> welcome shelton how can we help you?
[13:55] <shelton> i am new to ubuntu i want an advise on how to get a grisp of linux
[13:55] <shelton> what should i do first ?
[13:58] <lotuspsychje> shelton: you mean learn ubuntu, or install ubuntu?
[14:00] <ksbalaji> I upgraded to 18.04. The keyboard number panel is dead. Help
[14:01] <leftyfb> shelton: http://a.co/d/3dQfZd2  This is the book that helped me get started
[14:01] <shelton> lotuspsychje: learn ubuntu
[14:01] <shelton> leftyfb: many thanks
[14:15] <Satantat> Raising hand
[14:16] <Satantat> Hello
[14:17] <leftyfb> !ask | Satantat
[14:17] <Satantat> Thank you
[14:18] <Satantat> How do I broadcast with my webcam on Firefox and chromium?
[14:18] <leftyfb> Satantat: broadcast?
[14:19] <Satantat> Yes for rooms like zoom
[14:19] <Satantat> Its for can chatting
[14:20] <Satantat> The can works with cheese but won't broadcast through the browser
[14:20] <leftyfb> Satantat: it looks like zoom wants you to download an app for it to work. Start with that
[14:20] <Satantat> Cam I mean
[14:21] <Satantat> OK bu
[14:21] <Satantat> I will thanks
[14:47] <j00n> Hello! Can somebody please help me: I can't find the python-libnmap package for ubuntu. What sources do I need to add in order to get it?
[14:47] <leftyfb> j00n: why do you need this particular package?
[14:48] <leftyfb> j00n: pip install python-libnmap
[14:48] <blackflow> !info python-libnmap
[14:48] <blackflow> !info python-libnmap cosmic
[14:49] <j00n> leftyfb: I don't want to make my system inconsistent by compiling and installing packages myself.
[14:49] <j00n> blackflow: What is cosmic? I am new to ubuntu, sorry.
[14:49] <lotuspsychje> created a bug for my xscreensaver issue, any ideas to test more? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xscreensaver/+bug/1790110
[14:49] <blackflow> j00n: next Ubuntu release, 18.10
[14:49] <j00n> Ok. thanks.
[14:49] <leftyfb> j00n: that package is not available in the ubuntu repo's in any of the official releases
[14:49] <j00n> blackflow: I will then swithc form bionic to cosmic.
[14:49] <blackflow> j00n: as it is, there's currently no package for Bionic or Xenial. So, either you backport it yourself or use virtualenv+pip.
[14:49] <leftyfb> j00n: install it from pip
[14:50] <leftyfb> j00n: uh, that's a BAD idea
[14:50] <j00n> leftyfb: Why bad idea?
[14:50] <leftyfb> j00n: cosmic is not released yet. It's not due out till April
[14:50] <blackflow> j00n: it's August. Cosmic is 18.10, so it's not yet out for almost 2 months
[14:50] <leftyfb> sorry, October
[14:50] <j00n> Ok, I understand.
[14:50] <j00n> I will then use pip. :-(
[14:50] <j00n> Thanks guys.
[14:50] <blackflow> j00n: virtualenv + pip is yor best bet and you're not polluting your system with stranger things.
[14:51] <blackflow> j00n: make sure it's virtualenv and do NOT use sudo with pip.
[14:51] <j00n> Yes.
[14:51] <j00n> Thanks for help.
[14:56] <mezod> Hi, I'm running something like "0 * * * * node nodescript.js &>/var/log/everyday-scripts/trialExpirationNotice.log" and it doesn't save the output into the file. However, if I execute the same command it works. The everyday-scripts folder is owned by user ubuntu, which is the one I use to execute the command and also the one executing the command with crontab. Any ideas?
[14:58] <blackflow> mezod: any clues in the cron log?
[14:58] <blackflow> error output is logged and mailed if you have MAILTO env var set (otherwise to root)
[14:58] <blackflow> uh sorry, otehrwise to crontab owner.
[14:59] <mezod> blackflow: I added a MAILTO line with my email but it wouldn't mail me anything, I must be missing some config
[14:59] <blackflow> mezod: anything in the cron log then?
[14:59] <mezod> blackflow: syslog shows that the command is executed by user ubuntu but nothing else
[14:59] <mezod> I'm not sure where to find the cron.log
[15:00] <blackflow> mezod: in /var/log  or if it's not defined by rsyslog, just check the journal
[15:00] <mezod> -> /var/log/cron doesn't exist
[15:00] <mezod> hmm
[15:00] <blackflow> journal then
[15:00] <mezod> journal -xe ?
[15:00] <blackflow> start with journal -n -p err
[15:01] <mezod> ok sec
[15:01] <blackflow> or -u cron.service
[15:02] <blackflow> mezod: btw, that &> I'm unfamiliar with, not sure it's valid. I think the shell is /bin/sh which is dash
[15:02] <mezod> looks like I don't have journal
[15:02] <blackflow> mezod: uh, which ubuntu?
[15:03] <mezod> Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS
[15:03] <blackflow> mezod: then how come you don't have journal? it's baked into systemd
[15:03] <mezod> i'm also surprised, I'd say I used it before while configuring caddy
[15:03] <blackflow> oh   my bad.... journalctl   is the command, I typo'd above
[15:04] <mezod> ooh true
[15:04] <blackflow> (and bad you for using commands random strangers on the net give you without understanding them)
[15:04] <m_i_k_e> mezod: when you execute the command, do you use sudo?  *thinking permissions to /var/log*
[15:05] <mezod> nothing on journalctl
[15:05] <blackflow> it was mentioned that the log dest is owned by the user running in the crontab
[15:05] <mezod> blackflow: hehe you seem trustworthy :_
[15:05] <mezod> yeah, it should have permissions
[15:05] <blackflow> mezod: look at your process table then, that &> is fishy I think you started the background processes
[15:05] <mezod> maybe I should try with >> ?
[15:06] <blackflow> mezod: >   suffices,   and 2>&1  to redir stderr to stdout
[15:06] <blackflow> node nodescript.js > /path/to/log.... 2>&1
[15:07] <mezod> I took the &> from https://serverfault.com/a/449652/172652
[15:07] <mezod> ok, sec
[15:08] <blackflow> maybe it's valid, I'm just not familiar with it for dash (which should be the default shell running cron jobs if I'm not mistaken)
[15:08] <mezod> 2>&1/var/log/...
[15:09] <blackflow> mezod: that doesn't look valid
[15:09] <mezod> yup, wrong
[15:09] <mezod> i need to learn to read
[15:09] <blackflow> and apparently, &> is valid for dash. TIL.
[15:10] <mezod> is the space after > ignored? some people add it some don't
[15:11] <blackflow> yeah it's just whitespace
[15:11] <blackflow> so anyway, cronjob output is mailed, errors are also logged, so start with no redirection of its outputs. is it possible the script produces none?   and which crontab is this btw, users?   you ran     sudo crontab -e -u ubuntu     ?   or whatever equivalent for that -u   ?
[15:14] <mohnish_> Hello
[15:14] <mohnish_> Can anyone help me?
[15:14] <mezod> blackflow: if I execute the command in commandline there's an output, I just added a line to crontab -e while being logged as user ubuntu
[15:14] <mezod> syslog shows user ubuntu is executing such cron
[15:14] <leftyfb> !ask | mohnish_
[15:15] <blackflow> mezod: well then the script is running?
[15:15] <blackflow> mezod: btw is the path correct?   node nodescript.js    is it like that or you have full path?  iirc the default path is $HOME
[15:16] <blackflow> s/path/cwd/
[15:16] <mezod> blackflow: it appears to be running but the script basically queries a db and sends an email, and I cannot know if its working, that's why I'm trying to see the output
[15:16] <blackflow> mezod: maybe it produces none? have it touch a file or something somewhere, that'll be a clue
[15:17] <mezod> blackflow: no I just summarized it here the actual crontab line is --> 12 * * * * NODE_ENV=production /usr/local/bin/babel-node /home/ubuntu/everydaycheck/api/src/scripts/lifecycle/marketing/trialExpirationNotice.js >/var/log/everyday-scripts/trialExpirationNotice.log 2>&1
[15:17] <mohnish_> I have a computer with 2 HDD, one runs Linux mint and the other runs elementary os. When I try to access the home directory of my mint os  from my elementary or elementary os from mint, it show a lock icon, and says the home dir is locked
[15:17] <mezod> blackflow: but if I execute the line in the cmd it does have an output
[15:19] <mohnish_> I wanna transfer all the files from one HDD to the other,
[15:19] <blackflow> mezod: I'm not sure about that env var being defined on the same line. move it at the beginning of the crontab
[15:20] <mezod> blackflow: as in a new line before the 12 * * * * ?
[15:21] <blackflow> mezod: yes, that's how normall env vars should be defined in crontabs.
[15:21] <blackflow> *normally
[15:21] <mohnish_> Somebody wanna help me?
[15:22] <mezod> blackflow: ok, and this should be per every new crontab or I can define a few crontabs and they'll all take the last defined env?
[15:22] <blackflow> mohnish_: different UIDs involved? you'll have to run that via sudo
[15:22] <ghost2911> hi. how to determine by using terminal command if a distro is using .deb or .rpm packages ?
[15:22] <mohnish_> blackflow: Can you tell me how?
[15:23] <blackflow> mezod: per crontab (crontab = one file). you can have multiple cronjob definitions per tab file though
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> !mint | mohnish_
[15:23] <mezod> blackflow: sorry I meant per cronjob
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> ghost2911: more a question for ##linux
[15:23] <mohnish_> Okay okay
[15:24] <blackflow> mezod: env vars defined in the crontab file are effective for all jobs in that tab file
[15:25] <blackflow> mezod: note that when you do crontab -e   it effectively starts the editor for   /var/spool/cron/crontabs/<username>
[15:25] <blackflow> so that's one crontab file
[15:26] <mezod> ah I see
[15:26] <mezod> thanks for clarifying that
[15:29] <mezod> these EC2 t2.micro really is cancer, apparently just trying things with crontab killed it >.<
[15:31] <blackflow> ye gods!
[15:31] <blackflow> I'm guessing you need lots of rams for that script.
[15:39] <mezod> blackflow: why? It only runs once per hour, it makes a sql query and sends an email !_!
[15:40] <mezod> I am trying to do it with cronjobs because earlier it was a js script with a settimeout that called it every hour, and apparently that was the issue, since settimeout uses lots of ram/cpu since it's always active
[15:40] <mezod> had 20 of these scripts on an OVH and never had an issue
[15:44] <blackflow> mezod: well you said it killed your t2.micro, so I assumed.
[15:45] <mezod> blackflow: yeah, but these t2.micro instances seem to be real shitty
[15:45] <mezod> full of limitations all over the place, and you only learn about them when you hit them, which is every other day
[15:49] <blackflow> mezod: yeah, I gave up on public clouds. baremetal all the way here.
[15:50] <mezod> shouldnt have moved from ovh... now it's too late :(
[15:52] <blackflow> mezod: dunno, ovh tends to have.... other issues, like networking.
[15:52] <soundconjurer> Does anyone have any experience with using Ubuntu 18.04 for a router? I am a little confused as to what changed so dramatically.
[15:54] <tomreyn> !releasenotes | soundconjurer
[15:54] <tomreyn> ^ always a good place to start
[15:54] <soundconjurer> Yes, but they don't cover the issue I have been dealing with. Something has changed as I assume with the implementation of conntrack.
[15:55] <mezod> blackflow: what do you mean, bad latency?
[15:55] <tomreyn> soundconjurer: when you have a specific question, let us know. ;)
[15:55] <pragmaticenigma> soundconjurer: the networking stack completely changed with 18.04 ... which is in the release notes
[15:56] <soundconjurer> Well, my situation is incredibly specific. It also requires a little prefacing. If that is fine.
[15:56] <dptc> do you think/does ubuntu have an i3 WM edition?
[15:56] <blackflow> mezod: bad neighborhood for email (frequently blacklisted whole ranges), and frequent packet loss to parts of EU. once I had total connectivity loss to a major ISP (T-Com) for over a day.
[15:56] <mezod> ugh
[15:56] <pragmaticenigma> !i3wm
[15:57] <tomreyn> soundconjurer: if it's a lot of text, maybe post it to a pastebin instead
[15:57] <soundconjurer> Will do.
[15:57] <mezod> i use mailgun for emails and other than small issues it works quite well for everyone
[15:57] <soundconjurer> I'll actually come back to this. Thank you for your efforts.
[15:57] <dptc> pragmaticenigma: was that meant to produce a text blurb or something?
[15:57] <pragmaticenigma> dptc: There is not a specific install image that install i3wm by default. Recommendation is to install Lubuntu or Xubuntu, and then install i3wm from apt
[15:58] <dptc> pragmaticenigma: fair enough - that's good to know, thanks for the info
[16:00] <dptc> pragmaticenigma: is/are there key differences between Lubuntu and Xubuntu?
[16:00] <pragmaticenigma> dptc: Not really... Lubuntu uses the LXDE environment by default, Xubuntu uses XFCE... it's whatever you're most comfortable with.
[16:01] <pragmaticenigma> both are lightweight desktop environments. They both install LightDM for handling the user login experience
[16:01] <dptc> pragmaticenigma: fair enough - thanks again.
[16:01] <pragmaticenigma> dptc: yw
[16:09] <ducasse> dptc: you can also install from the server image or the mini.iso, then you get no extra desktop. just select the packages you want in the installer or after first boot.
[16:18] <dptc> ducasse: is that with respect to ubuntu install?
[16:20] <ducasse> dptc: yes, that's how i set up my i3 installs
[16:20] <dptc> ducasse: I'm just worried as I've set up machine as I like it and don't want to start again, youn know?
[16:20] <ducasse> dptc: you can also use the lubuntu 'alternate' image, that lets you select not to install lxde at all, but handpick packages
[16:21] <ducasse> dptc: then install a minimal setup and use apt-clone to replicate your packages
[16:22] <dptc> that would be cool
[16:22] <dptc> I just don't want to go over to an arch install, it's a pain
[16:22] <ducasse> !info apt-clone
[16:24] <ducasse> dptc: if you replicate your packages and keep your homedir, there shouldn't be much left unless you've compiled tons of stuff
[16:25] <dptc> ducasse: a few statistical software pacakges that are a bit of a pain to compile
[16:25] <dptc> as i'm on a 4k xps and scaling isn't great
[16:27] <ducasse> dptc: well, you would need to handle those by hand. if you installed the dependencies with apt and still have the configured source, you might get away with doing a 'make install', though
[16:27] <dptc> true - thanks a lot
[16:27] <ducasse> np
[16:47] <lord4163> I try to disable root logins in phpmyadmin? Anyone knows how to do that?
[16:53] <tomreyn> lord4163: a web search for "phpmyadmin disable root" suggests you should set this in /etc/phpmyadmin/config.inc.php : $cfg['Servers'][$i]['AllowRoot'] = FALSE;
[16:53] <lord4163> tomreyn: yes, and it does nothing
[16:54] <tomreyn> did you also set $cfg['Servers'][$i]['auth_type'] = 'cookie';
[16:54] <pragmaticenigma> lord4163: did you restart apache or whichever webserver you are running after making the settings changes>
[16:54] <lord4163> tomreyn: yes
[16:54] <lord4163> pragmaticenigma: Yes, but you should not need to.
[16:54] <nate> you generally should not have to restart PHP/Apache for changes to a PHP script, iof you do then something is very wrong
[16:55] <nate> that said, define "it does nothing"?  You're saying you can still actually log in as root?
[16:55] <lord4163> nate: that's right
[16:55] <nate> Perhaps try installing an official non-modified PMA from the actual PMA site and don't use silly packaged versions :P
[16:55] <nate> Especially since packaged ones do silly insecure stuff (imo)
[16:56] <pragmaticenigma> lord4163: Ubuntu devs often bury extra settings elsewhere inside of includes ... there might be another part of the config that gets parsed later that resets it... you might want to grep for the setting to see if it appears anywhere else inside the config files in /etc
[16:56] <feodoran> during kubuntu install (18.04) I can choose where to install the bootloader. But I already have GRUB installed, how do I skip installing the bootloader?
[16:57] <EriC^^> feodoran: start the installer with "ubiquity -b"
[16:59] <feodoran> EriC^^: do I need to boot first ("try kubuntu"), or can I  run this directly?
[16:59] <lord4163> pragmaticenigma: oh really, they put the config in /etc? :O
[16:59] <lord4163> pragmaticenigma: that did the trick
[16:59] <tomreyn> lord4163: see what i wrote above...
[17:00] <EriC^^> feodoran: you need to boot first
[17:01] <lord4163> tomreyn: Sorry, read over that part :D
[17:05] <tomreyn> lord4163: glad you noticed now ;)
[17:25] <texla> Would like a command in terminal that will list all partitions and free space in /dev
[17:26] <EriC^^> texla: sudo parted -l
[17:26] <texla> EriC^^, does not list free spaces
[17:26] <EriC^^> texla: free space in the filesystems?
[17:27] <enzotib> df -h
[17:27] <texla> EriC^^, free space in /dev/sda or /dev/sdb
[17:27] <EriC^^> texla: it does list the free space, you need to use your eyes though
[17:28] <ChaiTRex> Yeah, if they're mounted, df -h. For unmounted, not sure.
[17:28] <EriC^^> texla: do you mean you want the unallocated space or free space in filesystems?
[17:30] <ChaiTRex> texla: Here's for mounted filesystems in /dev: df --output=source,avail | egrep '^/dev'
[17:31] <texla> EriC^^, https://pastebin.com/LdJmjfDB yes the free spaces in the /dev/sda
[17:32] <nacc> texla: you have to do the math
[17:32] <ChaiTRex> texla: For mounted /dev/sd*, just add /sd on the end: df --output=source,avail | egrep '^/dev/sd'
[17:32] <tomreyn> texla: the parted command whose output you just pasted lists both the total capacity of a storage device and the partitions on it
[17:32] <EriC^^> texla: you have to use your eyes, like from 95.1gb til 442gb is free
[17:32] <nacc> texla: and again, you are using what might be confusing terminology. unallocated space on the disk, free space in the filesystem.
[17:32] <EriC^^> and after 492gb there's 8gb til 500gb free texla
[17:33] <texla> nacc why does gparted show that info
[17:33] <ChaiTRex> texla: GParted will use the filesystem stuff to examne the disks.
[17:33] <nacc> texla: show what info?
[17:33] <ChaiTRex> texla: You'd probably need to find a filesystem-specific command for each different filesystem and so on.
[17:35] <texla> nacc, I cannot copy gparted to show you 3 partition and 2 areas that show free space
[17:35] <tomreyn> ChaiTRex: gparted makes use of and displays all of disk, partition and file system information
[17:36] <nacc> texla: you can always take a screenshot
[17:36] <nacc> texla: if you're asking why one tool shows you *more* information than another, then I don't consider that a support question
[17:37] <texla> tomreyn, Correct is there not a command that does the same
[17:37] <EriC^^> texla: i'm sure a nice awk one liner can grab the columns and do the subtraction and show a free space column
[17:37] <EriC^^> maybe ask the guys in ##Linux or #bash for one?
[17:37] <tomreyn> texla: parted, which you already used, combined with lsblk
[17:38] <tomreyn> texla: you can also take a screenshot of parted and upload it.
[17:40] <tomreyn> (as n4cc already pointed out)
[17:45] <texla> tomreyn, https://pastebin.com/k705BSQU
[17:45] <nacc> texla: why did you pastebin that ?
[17:46] <nacc> texla: we aren't going to write the tool you want for you. You have all the info you need there to get what you want.
[17:47] <tomreyn> "sudo parted /dev/sda print free" will list "Free Space" where there are unpartitioned areas on a storage
[17:52] <texla> tomreyn, Thanks that gives me the info I was looking for
[17:53] <texla> nacc No thanks for your rude comment on a legimate question in my opinion
[18:01] <VitoG> neanderthal
[18:06] <tomreyn> VitoG: do you have an ubuntu support question?
[18:07] <VitoG>  the new ryzen 7 pro isnt working with ubuntu
[18:07] <tomreyn> VitoG: do you have an ubuntu support question?
[18:08] <VitoG> yeah how can i get an hp elitebook 745 G5 to work with ubuntu
[18:08] <VitoG> apparently there is a bug report on it now
[18:08] <jeffree> I'm a little confused about NetworkManager settings. Under the settings for my NIC, under the IPv4 tab, next to IPv4 method there is "Automatic (DHCP), Manual, Link-Local Only, and Disable" then there is a switch below called "Automatic". What does this switch do?
[18:08] <tomreyn> VitoG: can you point out the bug report?
[18:09] <VitoG> https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Operating-System-and-Recovery/hp-elitebook-745-g5-install-operating-system-of-ubuntu-18-04/td-p/6788392
[18:09] <jeffree> My assumption was that the automatic switch would switch between DHCP and the manually input DNS addresses, but this would be redundant since there is already check boxes for this.
[18:10] <tomreyn> VitoG: ok, this is a post on an hp discussion board, not an ubuntu bug report, though.
[18:10] <VitoG> i saw something on ask ubuntu too
[18:10] <tomreyn> VitoG: is G5 the hardware variant you have there?
[18:10] <nacc> jeffree: that's the DNS line
[18:10] <nacc> jeffree: and then there's a Routes line
[18:11] <jeffree> nacc: could you be more specific?
[18:11] <nacc> jeffree: not really.
[18:11] <jeffree> ok
[18:11] <jeffree> I'll wait
[18:11] <nacc> jeffree: take a screenshot, if you are still confused?
[18:11] <nacc> jeffree: do you know what DNS is?
[18:11] <jeffree> yes
[18:11] <VitoG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1772081
[18:12] <VitoG> there u go
[18:12] <VitoG> specific to ryzen
[18:12] <nacc> jeffree: ok, so what's your question?
[18:12] <nacc> jeffree: that switch is for getting DNS automatically
[18:12] <nacc> jeffree: do you see how the ipv4 tab is three sections?
[18:12] <jeffree> did you see where I said it would be redundant?
[18:13] <tomreyn> VitoG: this is a different computer model. maybe let's take on this from a different perspective. tell us what happens when you try to install (or run an already installed) ubuntu on this system.
[18:13] <nacc> jeffree: do you understand that IP allocation and DNS are different?
[18:13] <jeffree> ah, that's my confusion
[18:13] <nacc> jeffree: it's not redundant, you can get an IP via automatica DHCP and manually specify DNS.
[18:14] <jeffree> alright, another question
[18:14] <VitoG> nevermind
[18:14] <VitoG> hp is working on a firmware fix
[18:14] <jeffree> I have DNS set to automatic but wireshark shows that ubuntu is doing a DNS query to the DNS addresses that I have input
[18:15] <nacc> input where?
[18:15] <jeffree> shouldn't it show that it queries my router instead?
[18:15] <nacc> jeffree: --^
[18:15] <tomreyn> the screen shots on the hp forum look like it's an issue with their bios / uefi firmware, yes.
[18:15] <jeffree> on the DNS line
[18:17] <nacc> jeffree: you just said you selected automatic DNS.  So it queries them.
[18:18] <nacc> jeffree: I don't see how that's confusing at all.
[18:18] <jeffree> nacc: the switch is set to automatic
[18:18] <jeffree> what does that do?
[18:18] <nacc> jeffree: it obtains DNS servers from the DHCP server.
[18:18] <jeffree> then why isn't it doing that?
[18:18] <nacc> jeffree: it does not *exclude* providing static entries as well
[18:18] <ash_worksi> is "mssql.compatability_mode" on http://php.net/manual/en/ini.list.php a typo or is this a typo on ubuntu's part?    NM is doing exactly what you asked it to.
[18:20] <jeffree> trolling is just bullshit
[18:20] <tomreyn> !ops | jeffree
[18:20] <nacc> jeffree: how can we help you if you refuse to admit you configured your system that way?
[18:20] <jeffree> uh oh
[18:20] <jeffree> lol
[18:20] <jeffree> you guys
[18:20] <jeffree> how old are you?
[18:20] <ash_worksi> jeffree: nacc is actually a really helpful person
[18:20] <nacc> jeffree: what isyour actual confusion?
[18:20] <jeffree> dude, when did I tell you I configured things right?
[18:21] <nacc> jeffree: what?
[18:21] <tomreyn> VitoG: latest firmware to date is this https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/swdetails/hp-elitebook-745-g5-notebook-pc/18819802/swItemId/ob-215883-1
[18:21] <nacc> jeffree: you said you checked automatic and added some static entries.
[18:21] <jeffree> I just came in and said I had some confusion about network manager and you see this as an opportunity to tell me I'm misconfiguring
[18:21] <tomreyn> VitoG: you can check yours using " sudo dmidecode --type bios "
[18:21] <VitoG> yep
[18:21] <jeffree> I immediately acknowledged I had confusion
[18:21] <jeffree> I wanted clarification
[18:22] <jeffree> and you act like an ass
[18:22] <ash_worksi> jeffree: you're taking unnecessary offense, just move past it; nacc is never intentially being mean
[18:22] <nacc> jeffree: i see no such acknowledgement or even a request for clarification.
[18:24] <VitoG> same ole
[18:25] <ISSE8> hello people
[18:25] <ISSE8> I have a bit of an issue.
[18:25] <ISSE8> the machine boots to EFI screen
[18:25] <ISSE8> any idea why?
[18:26] <leonardus> Is there a way to restart GNOME without losing the programs that I have open?
[18:26] <pragmaticenigma> what do you mean "boots to EFI screen"... can you be more descriptive ISSE8
[18:26] <pragmaticenigma> leonardus: No
[18:26] <leonardus> I'm just really annoyed by the memory leak. I have to log out and back in every 24 hours.
[18:26] <leonardus> Or else it gets super slow.
[18:26] <mouses> nacc: just read all of that and cannot for the life of me figure out how anyone would take anything you said as rude in any way :(  Can't please all the people all the time I guess.
[18:27] <tomreyn> ash_worksi: no, not a typo
[18:27] <pragmaticenigma> mouses: This is not a discussion forum. Please take conversations to #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:27] <ISSE8> yes, first post picture: https://www.linuxliteos.com/forums/other/startup-nsh-uefi-in-oracle-virtualbox-v-5-what-do-i-do-next/
[18:27] <mouses> pragmaticenigma: Gotcha, sorry.
[18:27] <ash_worksi> tomreyn: nice
[18:27] <ash_worksi> thanks
[18:27] <ash_worksi> erm
[18:28] <ash_worksi> tomreyn: you're saying the docs are wrong, right?
[18:28] <ISSE8> mine says blk0 to blk4
[18:28] <ISSE8> there is no FS0
[18:28] <tomreyn> ash_worksi: no, i'm not say this. which docs do you think i'm saying are wrong?
[18:29] <ISSE8> in the past I managed to start the GUI manually, but forgot what I did
[18:30] <tomreyn> ash_worksi: oh, sorry, i didnt read properly
[18:30] <tomreyn> ash_worksi: let me re-check
[18:31] <pragmaticenigma> ash_worksi: The only way to be certain is to download the source and verify... something that is beyond the scope of this channel
[18:31] <tomreyn> ash_worksi: which ubuntu version are you looking at, which package?
[18:32] <pragmaticenigma> ISSE8: Is that your post on linuxliteos?
[18:33] <ISSE8> no
[18:34] <pragmaticenigma> ISSE8: Are you running LinuxLite?
[18:34] <ISSE8> you can see same screen also on 3rd post in this link: https://serverfault.com/questions/569972/usb-drive-not-detected-in-intel-efi-shell
[18:34] <ISSE8> no, lubuntu
[18:35] <pragmaticenigma> ISSE8: Pointing us at different sites with images that may or may not match yours is going to make helping you difficult. We need to know what's on your screen. Exactly as it appears.
[18:35] <ash_worksi> tomreyn: 16.04
[18:37] <tomreyn> ash_worksi: so you're using the latest php7.0 packages from the ubuntu repos, right?
[18:37] <pragmaticenigma> tomreyn: I don't believe ash_worksi has any issue... I think this is just a "bug hunt" which is offtopic
[18:38] <ash_worksi> tomreyn: 5.6 actually
[18:39] <tomreyn> ash_worksi: there are no php5.6 packages in ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[18:39] <ash_worksi> pragmaticenigma: you're mostly right... this is kind of a fruitless endeavor on my part... I think the directive, regardless of the spelling, is ignored since `ini_get` always returns false
[18:39] <ash_worksi> (and it doesn't show up at all using `php -i`
[18:39] <pragmaticenigma> ash_worksi: a quick search of the web rendered this: https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=69052
[18:41] <nacc> ash_worksi: php5 is not supported here on 16.04
[18:41] <ash_worksi> ah thats right
[18:41] <ISSE8> That is my screen: https://imgur.com/qsRvOwk
[18:41] <ash_worksi> thanks for the bug report pragmaticenigma
[18:42] <ash_worksi> pragmaticenigma: out of curiosity, what did you search?
[18:43] <pragmaticenigma> ash_worksi: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22mssql.compatibility_mode%22
[18:45] <ISSE8> OK guys, just booted somethin non-EFI in the bios and I am back in lubuntu
[18:46] <ISSE8> why is this happening?
[18:47] <tomreyn> leonardus: i' don't think there is a way to restart GNOME without losing the state of the programs you have open. i'm not sure which memory leak you are referring to (i'm running gnome 3 fine on an amd64 system, have not rebooted in days,gnome-shell is consuming < 1G RAM)
[18:48] <ash_worksi> wow, doesn't get more "top of the list" then that
[18:49] <pragmaticenigma> ISSE8: You installed Lubuntu without EFI support
[18:50] <ioria> tomreyn, this one i think : https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-shell/+bug/1672297
[18:50] <ISSE8> I simply downloaded the image and installed it
[18:51] <ISSE8> how do I make it work with EFI?
[18:52] <pragmaticenigma> ISSE8: I'm going to assume that you disabled EFI in order to install. As far as I know, the only way to make it EFI, is to reinstall. Making sure that the EFI is enabled in the BIOD
[18:53] <ISSE8> OK
[18:53] <ISSE8> no EFI then
[18:53] <CarlFK> I have  https://numato.com/docs/8-channel-usb-relay-module/   -   this works: echo "relay off 0"> /dev/ttyACM1   and if I connect with a terminal app, this works: "relay read 0 "  shows "off".  but I can't figure out how to get that in bash, like:
[18:53] <CarlFK> echo "relay read 0"> /dev/ttyACM1 && cat /dev/ttyACM1
[18:54] <tomreyn> thanks ioria, wasnt awar eof this one.
[18:54] <leonardus> yeah I'm on an Intel CPU if that makes a difference
[18:54] <leonardus> 18.04 LTS
[18:55] <ioria> tomreyn, yeah, quite critical
[18:55] <ISSE8> thanks pragmaticenigma!
[18:56] <tomreyn> ioria: all but the latest comments seem to refer to 18.04.0. dio you know whether this is still an issue (it doesn't seem to manifest on my system)?
[18:57] <pragmaticenigma> leonardus: have you run "sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade" since installing? There are no reports of memory leaks since the patch offered earlier this spring. If you are experiencing memory leaks, it is more likely the way you have configured your system or one of the applications that you are using.
[18:57] <ioria> tomreyn, i think the thing it's still in progress
[18:58] <sveinse> I have a NUC runing 18.04 server and I need to access its console. However, the HDMI output has no output. Probably because it was booted without a connected display. Is there any way I can reenable the HDMI display output from remote console (and I do want linux console on it, there is no X)
[18:58] <tomreyn> ioria: turns out i dont have gjs running. maybe it's not actually required or just invoked in some configurations but not others. (i'm wondering about a workaround here)
[18:59] <ioria> leonardus, you can try the usual   Alt+F2 ; r; return
[19:01] <pragmaticenigma> sveinse: With the display attached... try pressing shift or ctrl on the keyboard. If that doesn't work, try the key combination "CTRL + ALT + F3"
[19:01] <ioria> tomreyn, well,the workround is to restart gnome-shell
[19:02] <ash_worksi> I reread the nacc jeffree convo and I think I get what jeffree was confused about
[19:03] <sveinse> pragmaticenigma: yeah, already tried that. Still no HDMI output.
[19:03] <sveinse> Can I read any info of the connected displays from the console?
[19:04] <pragmaticenigma> sveinse: not that I'm aware of
[19:06] <pragmaticenigma> sveinse: this might work... not sure though: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/72320/how-can-i-hook-on-to-one-terminals-output-from-another-terminal
[19:07] <netcrash> hello, How can I get the headphones to be always on after reboot and with sound? Headphones always go off after reboot , It-s speakers connected to the motherboard
[19:07] <ash_worksi> I think the confusing aspect is that in the non-sensical event that both static and automatic configurations are set, from a UI perspective, a 'switch' seem more of an override than static entries. Though I imagine it to be possibly desirable if the static DNS list were misconfigured or unreachable, automatic check preference to have an effect
[19:08] <ash_worksi> but I think a windows UI would actually disable static configurations if you check automatic, but I'm not sure
[19:09] <pragmaticenigma> ash_worksi: Please don't re-dig up old conversations.
[19:09] <ioria> netcrash, Auto-Mute is enabled or disabled in  alsamixer ?
[19:09] <tomreyn> ioria: so maybe a cron job for "gnome-shell --replace" (also specifying the DISPLAY), would work
[19:10] <ioria> tomreyn, yes, i think so
[19:10] <netcrash> ioria: how can I check that?
[19:10] <ioria> netcrash,  run 'alsamixer' in terminal
[19:11] <netcrash> ioria: it was on
[19:11] <tomreyn> leonardus: so *IF* you are affected by the bug iroria linked ( 1672297 ), consider setting up such a cron job.
[19:11] <ioria> netcrash,  you mean 'enabled' ? if so, try to disable
[19:12] <netcrash> ioria: switch to disable , did alsactl store ... will it work after reboot:
[19:12] <netcrash> ?
[19:12] <ioria> netcrash,  no idea : )  but no harm
[19:12] <netcrash> ioria: going to test, thank you
[19:12] <ioria> ok
[19:13] <leonardus> This is a screen recording of what it looks like when GNOME starts slowing down. I'm not sure if it's "the" memory leak bug, but it happens often for me: https://streamable.com/s1ylr
[19:14] <sveinse> Is a shame that MB turs off their screen output on headless servers. If the server network is astray and one suddenly need a console, it isn't just to connect an external display :(
[19:14] <ioria> leonardus, i don't see a 'mem leak' there
[19:14] <leonardus> yeah then I don't know why it's slowing down
[19:14] <ioria> leonardus,  run 'top'
[19:14] <leonardus> it behaves similarly to a memory leak. After a while things start getting slower.
[19:14] <leonardus> ioria: not experiencing it right now but when I do I'll run that
[19:15] <ioria> leonardus,  mem leak is a garbage collector issue ... it's about ram
[19:15] <EriC^^> see how much memory you have when it happens, and if you're using swap
[19:16] <ash_worksi> o/ EriC^^
[19:16] <EriC^^> hey ash_worksi o/
[19:16] <leonardus> It persists after I close all programs too.
[19:16] <ash_worksi> that's all, just a o/ :)
[19:17] <EriC^^> :)
[19:17] <JimBuntu> I don't see this having been asked... shot in the dark... leonardus, did you upgrade in advance of the point release?
[19:17] <leonardus> what do you mean?
[19:17] <ioria> leonardus,  uname -r   and paste here
[19:18] <leonardus> ubuntu@desktop:~$ uname -r
[19:18] <leonardus> 4.15.0-33-generic
[19:18] <JimBuntu> leonardus, Well, that kind  of answers it. I was wondering what version you had installed and when it was from
[19:18] <leonardus> JimBuntu: downloaded and installed 18.04 the day it was released
[19:18] <leonardus> from the ubuntu website
[19:19] <ioria> leonardus,  did you run 'top' ?
[19:19] <netcrash> ioria: now the sound headphones are disabled in alsamixer when I start the system turning it on and using alsactl store does not solve it. Any ideas ?
[19:19] <leonardus> ioria: I can run it but I'm not sure if it would be of much use, since I'm not experiencing any slowness right now
[19:20] <ioria> netcrash, alsactl store it's not needed anymore,i guess
[19:20] <netcrash> ioria: even so the headphones are off ... :s
[19:20] <ioria> netcrash, just disable auto-mute
[19:21] <netcrash> ioria: can it be that the system is not detecting the speakers?
[19:21] <netcrash> ioria: i did disable it
[19:21] <ioria> leonardus,  and when did you experience that cpu loads exactly ?
[19:23] <ioria> netcrash, i'd try with pavucontrol
[19:23] <leonardus> not sure what you're asking ioria
[19:23] <netcrash> ioria: did change the output with pavucontrol ,after the reboot it keeps using the speakers exit
[19:25] <ioria> leonardus,  ok, when did have that 'slowness ' ?
[19:25] <leonardus> that was recorded a bit more than a week ago
[19:25] <leonardus> but i had it 2 days ago too
[19:27] <tomreyn> leonardus: what this video shows is increased cpu load. but this could also be a result of recording this high resolution  video.
[19:28] <tomreyn> leonardus: what this video does *not* show is increased memory load, which is what a memleak would cause. so you don't seem to have a memleak issue there.
[19:28] <netcrash> ioria: think I found a workaround sleep 5 && amixer -c 0 set Headphone 100% &
[19:28] <leonardus> yeah i'm not sure what it is then
[19:28] <netcrash> where can I place this so it executes on boot
[19:28] <netcrash> ?
[19:28] <leonardus> if there's no unusual resource usage, then i don't know why gnome would be so slow
[19:32] <pragmaticenigma> sveinse: Most datacenters, the servers are attached to a KVM, which mean the display is always detected. the other side of the coin is, if no display is attached, why waste CPU cycles and power on something not in use.
[19:36] <JimBuntu> leonardus, see if you notice your HDD(whatever tech) is busy next time. This time I did notice you were having CPU spikes as well.
[19:36] <sveinse> pragmaticenigma: Well, a console it a safety net. Well actually, most servers have ILO or similar, which offers a secondary independent networkable KVM by HW. Anyhow, this is not the case for small headless servers, right
[19:37] <leonardus> JimBuntu: is there a way to simulate that
[19:37] <JimBuntu> leonardus, I am sure there is, but I can't think of a way that wouldn't also basically be a fork bomb
[19:38] <Squall5668> Every server should have out of band management if you care enough about it. There is also a reason they have D-SUB instead of HDMI ports
[19:38] <leonardus> JimBuntu: copying a large file would that work?
[19:38] <pragmaticenigma> sveinse: I ran into the same issue with a rpi... I know the annoyance
[19:38] <JimBuntu> leonardus, I wouldn't expect a single large file to do it, but you could run a bunch of similar read/writes and background them one after another
[19:39] <JimBuntu> leonardus, this may sound strange, but if it's an option... the next it happens, see if you can SSH into that box from another.
[19:39] <sveinse> pragmaticenigma: Perhaps these fake HDMI dongles could be useful. I know they have found a surprising use when using the GPU for processing, since the available GPU power is a function of the type display connected
[19:40] <sveinse> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Plate-Screen-DDC-EDID-Dummy-Plug-HDMI-1-4-Virtual-Display-Emulator-Adapter/292413077417?hash=item44152d77a9%3Am%3Amm5yM0jrjIQOrVaGM_M17Pg&var=591282614148
[19:41] <pragmaticenigma> sveinse: interesting, I'll have to check it out sometime. I think part of my issue was the rpi probably was outputing on the composite output, but didn't have a display nearby to work with at the time. The rpi is running headless as my local network DNS server. Runs like a champ, except when I couldn't verify if when moving it, it lost power
[19:42] <sveinse> pragmaticenigma: I believe the story for the NUC is somewhat similar: The GPU supports max two displays of three outputs, so there is some (HW?) logic to select which ports to activate. And in my case, none, so no ports seems to have link.
[20:14] <peter22222> hi folks... anybody knows how to get rid of the single quotes of the ls-command?
[20:17] <pragmaticenigma> peter22222: It was a decision made upstream and would require you to compile your own version of ls without the flag enabled that encapsulates files with spaces in single quotes
[20:17] <peter22222> pragmaticenigma ah, thank you, so it is standard now?
[20:18] <leftyfb> what is this about?
[20:19] <peter22222> it prints out like 'file.txt' and 'path with spaces'
[20:19] <leftyfb> where?
[20:19] <peter22222> in terminal when i type ls-command
[20:19] <pragmaticenigma> leftyfb: When using the "ls" command, files with spaces are displayed with a single quote on each end in terminal.
[20:20] <peter22222> all files are single quoted and paths with spaces as well
[20:20] <peter22222> was kind of confusing when i saw it first
[20:20] <pragmaticenigma> peter22222: I think that if you alias the ls command and add the switch "-N" it turns it off
[20:20] <leftyfb> oh, look at that
[20:21] <leftyfb> might help with scripting
[20:21] <pragmaticenigma> peter22222: Confirmed, using the "-N" argument on ls will turn off the single quote
[20:22] <peter22222> pragmaticenigma thank you, yes i ve tried that out before.. but then the ls-output is listed like each item in a new row instead of like saving space and list several files/folders in a row
[20:23] <pragmaticenigma> peter22222: I'm not sure I follow... you mean short mode versus long mode?
[20:24] <peter22222> pragmaticenigma yes.. short mode like  hehe sorry for my bad english..
[20:24] <peter22222> :-)
[20:25] <pragmaticenigma> peter22222: That's okay... the switch works for both. If you are thinking of "ll" command, that's actually an alias to "ls -laF"
[20:26] <mouses> question - reading over a security advisory at - https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2018-15120 - as recommended by a friend, using ubuntu 16.04 -> how would I check the version of pango that I am using to make sure I am not effected?
[20:26] <peter22222> pragmaticenigma thank you for your help. well, the good thing is that it seemd to be standard, so nothing messed up with my system... ;-)
[20:29] <JamesBenson> Is there any upgrade procedure for maas 2.4.0 beta2 to 2.4stable?
[20:36] <leftyfb> JamesBenson: try #maas or #ubuntu-server
[20:36] <leftyfb> mouses: apt-cache policy <name of package>
[20:37] <leftyfb> mouses: or read the documentation for pango
[20:38] <mouses> leftyfb: thanks - been going through the documentation but I tend to get a bit confused at this level.  Maybe a better way to ask this question would be - https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2018-15120 as a weechat user, is this something I need to be concerned about on a 16.04 system that is fully patched/up to date?
[20:49] <ShekharReddy> HI Guys , what is the equivalent of this powershell command in ubuntu machine Add-VpnConnection -Name "somename" -ServerAddress `someaddress` -TunnelType sstp -EncryptionLevel Optional -AuthenticationMethod Pap
[20:49] <ShekharReddy> that actually set up a vpn in windows machine
[20:50] <ShekharReddy> but it dont work in powershell core for ubuntu
[20:50] <ShekharReddy> is there a way i set up one such in ubuntu machine
[20:57] <pragmaticenigma> ShekharReddy: There is no such method in Ubuntu or any linux distribution.
[20:59] <pragmaticenigma> ShekharReddy: In the network manager will have the options for setting up a VPN
[21:02] <netcrash> Hello, I'm using ubuntu with xfce alsa pavucontrol ... After I reboot the system my sound always goes off. And my speakers in alsamixer are listed has Headphones (wich I have to always increase the volume after boot ); What can I be doing wrong?
[21:02] <netcrash> even when I use sudo alsactl store the values aren-t persisted
[21:02] <netcrash> another note this also happens on another computer I have
[21:14] <Cammera> Hey, anyone who knows how xrandr's --transform math works?
[21:14] <Cammera> I have to set a display to only use the upper 1024x600 pixels of the screen, xorg's missedintifying it as 1024x768
[21:14] <ChunkzZ> what's the difference between "universe, multiverse" etc in apt/sources.list?
[21:15] <Cammera> Universe is maintained by the community and open source
[21:16] <Cammera> Multiverse is closedsource and/or has legal issues too
[21:29] <netcrash> https://superuser.com/questions/1354257/linux-ubuntu-alsa-issues-after-reboot-sound-is-turned-of
[21:37] <littlejohnny> Hi, trying to create a cron to run a script @reboot. However when creating it and running it at a certain time while logged in, the script runs (whether its cronned as a normal user or root) but when changing it to @reboot and I reboot the PC, the script doesnt run.  Anyone can help please?
[21:38] <littlejohnny> Ubuntu 16.04
[21:38] <ikonia> what does the script do ?
[21:38] <littlejohnny> and no the homedir is not encrypted.
[21:38] <ikonia> what does the cron entry look like
[21:40] <littlejohnny> ikonia, i can put a bash script.sh with content: echo foo > newlogfile, it doesnt make a difference, it wont run.  and im using gnome-schedule
[21:40] <ikonia> show me the crontab -l output please from your user
[21:41] <ikonia> and how do you test it exactly outside of cron
[21:43] <littlejohnny> ikonia, @reboot "home/user/script.sh" # JOB_ID_6
[21:43] <littlejohnny> i see a space before that though
[21:44] <littlejohnny> does that make a difference?
[21:44] <ikonia> is that a direct cut and paste ?
[21:44] <littlejohnny> ikonia, yeah
[21:44] <ikonia> are you sure ?
[21:44] <ducasse> littlejohnny: needs to be /home/user/script.sh
[21:44] <ducasse> littlejohnny: note leading /
[21:44] <littlejohnny> very sure.. why?
[21:45] <littlejohnny> ducasse, not allowed " " in crontab ?
[21:45] <ikonia> because you're missing a / from /home
[21:45] <littlejohnny> let me fix and try again
[21:57] <Mrokii> Hello. A friend has just installed openssh on his laptop. The ssh-server is running but when I try to connect to his public ip address via ssh I always get "no route to host". Does he need to forward port 22 (which I standard I believe) in his router, to make a connection possible? Or what else could be the problem?
[21:57] <strive> Mrokii: That sounds about right.
[21:58] <strive> Mrokii: Whatever port he's using on the server must be port-forwarded on his router.
[21:59] <strive> Mrokii: This question seems better suited for ##networking.
[21:59] <tomreyn> Mrokii: other than that, any firewall (including ufw on their laptop) needs to be disabled or reconfigured to allow connecting
[22:00] <tomreyn> (that's *if* ufw is enabled there)
[22:00] <strive> ^
[22:00] <littlejohnny> disabling ufw/gufw does not unblock the port, you need to allow it.
[22:00] <Mrokii> strive:, tomreyn: Thanks, then I will ask him about the port-forwarding. I'm pretty sure he hasn't ufw enabled.
[22:00] <strive> Mrokii: One step at a time :)
[22:01] <Mrokii> littlejohnny: yeah, I know. If port forwarding is the problem, this is the next thing we'll try.
[22:01] <strive> Also, I believe ufw is disabled by default in Ubuntu.
[22:02] <Mrokii> Yeah, I think I've heard that before, that it's disabled.
[22:03] <strive> Upon installing Ubuntu, I immediately installed i3wm; will removing gnome gnome-extras cause any harm to my current display manager?
[22:03] <littlejohnny> ufw sends explicit rules(if applied) to iptables if im not mistaken and dont think it makes a difference if ufw is disabled. or not
[22:03] <littlejohnny> ive tested, can anyone confirm?
[22:06] <mouses> strive: Most likely, yes.  i3 is just a window manager, it still relies and expects the display manager to be sane and not broken.
[22:06] <mouses> strive: unless you are really hurting on space, I'd just leave it alone.
[22:07] <Cammera> Uh, not to seem insistent, but I had to disconnect several times
[22:07] <Cammera> So if anyone answered what I asked about xrandr's transform send it again
[22:10] <mobile_c> how do i obtain libcrypto (OpenSSL)
[22:11] <mobile_c> checking for OpenSSL_add_all_ciphers in -lcrypto... no
[22:11] <mobile_c> configure: error: Cannot build without libcrypto (OpenSSL)
[22:14] <Mrokii> Thanks all for the helpo, and bye. I need to leave. Have a nice day.
[22:14] <tomreyn> !components | ChunkzZ
[22:18] <strive> mouses: (late response) Thanks.
[22:22] <mouses> strive: no problem!
[22:24] <ChunkzZ> tomreyn, a bit late there dude. ;)
[22:25] <tomreyn> ChunkzZ: so you used a web search in the mentime? ;-)
[22:25] <ChunkzZ> mentime? ;-(
[22:26] <tomreyn> +a
[22:31] <mobile_c> anyone know how to get libcrypto?
[22:33] <strive> mobile_c: apt search libcrypto ?
[22:35] <guiverc> y
[22:36] <mobile_c> cus i need it to compile Xar
[23:07] <mobile_c> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/X2gGrrqp6Q9ynj9RJwQK/
[23:11] <tomreyn> mobile_c: libssl-dev
[23:12] <mobile_c> libssl-dev is already the newest version (1.1.0g-2ubuntu4.1).
[23:13] <nacc> mobile_c: you should paste the actual error condition
[23:14] <mobile_c> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/HNhjtc2UdETuPzDDbh6K/
[23:16] <mobile_c> http://mackyle.github.io/xar/
[23:19] <nacc> mobile_c: those are deprecated
[23:19] <nacc> mobile_c: it would seem
[23:19] <nacc> mobile_c: did you look at the manpage?
[23:20] <nacc> mobile_c: or more specifically, on your system do you see `man OpenSSL_add_all_ciphers` ?
[23:20] <nacc> also it's an upstream bug: https://github.com/mackyle/xar/issues/18
[23:34] <mutante> we are running a mirror of the Ubuntu repo. a couple days ago the sync from upstream stopped working. the reason is: us.rsync.archive.ubuntu.com 873: Name or service not known.  Is it known? Did it change?
[23:34] <nacc> that's probably a question for the canonical channel(s) mutante
[23:35] <nacc> mutante: #canonical-sysadmin, i think?
[23:35] <mutante> nacc: ok thanks.. and sigh that corporate is separate :)
[23:40] <ft-> Hi, i was trailing a process call which caused may disks to spin up from standby, but now as i am looking into the following line of pstree i am not sure what to make of this, has somebody an idea for me?
[23:40] <ft-> |-sshd---sshd---sh---run-parts---update-motd-fsc---dumpe2fs---pstree
[23:41] <ft-> i remapad the dumpe2fs command to call pstree, in order to trace the call hirachy..
[23:43] <nacc> ft-: you changed what dumpe2fs does?
[23:43] <nacc> ft-: if so, and you changed it to call pstree itself, what is your question?
[23:43] <ft-> year but, not realy i yust added a bit of debug function into the call.
[23:44] <nacc> did your debug function call pstree?
[23:44] <ft-> something is calling dumpe2fs but i do not know what and why.
[23:44] <nacc> update-motd-fsc is calling it apparently
[23:44] <ft-> a moment i will post the debug function..
[23:44] <nacc> update-motd-fsck-at-reboot
[23:44] <nacc> it was truncated, i guess
[23:45] <nacc> and that it indeed, calls dumpe2fs
[23:45] <nacc> problem solved, have a nice day! :)
[23:45] <nacc> (`dpkg -S update-motd-fsc` is how i found it)
[23:45] <ft-> truncated, but why is doing this every night? thx :)
[23:46] <nacc> i assume it's happening when update-notifier runs
[23:47] <ft-> hm ok thx for the hint!
[23:47] <nacc> which i think might be cron controlled? not sure
[23:47] <ft-> well a new lead for me :) something to work on.
[23:48] <nacc> it's just checking to tell you a fsck is needed, i think, on the next reboot
[23:49] <ft-> mmh strange on my old ubuntu os versions <18 was nothing like that.
[23:49] <ft-> and why is it in a process hrirachy comming from sshd..
[23:49] <nacc> it's possible the motd wasn't updated until you logged in via ssh? i'm not sure
[23:50] <nacc> there are a lot more motd things in 18.04
[23:50] <nacc> ft-: but i'm grasping at straws, tbh
[23:50] <ft-> oh ok, maybe i can reduce the motd communication a bit.
[23:50] <forgotmynick> Hello. I have issues with sendmail and gmail - it keeps connecting to gmail on ipv6 and failing to send. I've modified /etc/gai.conf but sendmail is still connecting via ipv6. Can someone please tell me how to fix this? I don't want to disable ipv6 completely as I will need it later
[23:51] <ft-> nacc, thanks a lot!
[23:52] <nacc> ft-: yw