[14:25] <BUGa_carAccident> http://p.bugabundo.net/sometimes-you-are-just-not-that-lucky
[14:25] <killown> hey, what advantages i will have upgrading karmic to lucid?
[14:26] <BUGa_carAccident> vish: kklimonda bcurtiswx_^^^^^^^
[14:26] <bcurtiswx_> Buga_carAccident: if i could only read spanish comments :P
[14:26] <vish> BUGa_carAccident:  hmm , drive safe/r/ man ;p
[14:27] <BUGa_carAccident> sleep, rain, distration
[14:27] <vish> BUGa_carAccident: no harm to you right?
[14:27] <vega> killown: see last link in topic..
[14:27] <bcurtiswx_> BUGa_carAccident: assumed no physical harm to you tho?
[14:27] <BUGa_carAccident> I'm fine. only pride and wallet damage
[14:28] <BUGa_carAccident> thanks for worrying though
[14:28] <kklimonda> BUGa_carAccident: that's good to hear
[14:28] <vish> kklimonda: use the google translate bookmarklet
[14:28] <bcurtiswx_> you mean me?
[14:30] <vish> oh right bcurtiswx_ ;)
[14:34] <BUGa_carAccident> doesn't chrome already offer translation ?
[14:34] <MIOW> hello :) i'm unable to get dual boot for ubuntu 10.04 and windows 7. I installed win 7 first and after installing ubuntu i can't boot into win 7 from grub2. i found a way of repairing win7 boot on the forums http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1437155 but it destroys grub2
[14:35] <MIOW> after i reinstall grub2 it destroys win7 boot again :S
[14:37] <arand> MIOW: let bootmgr chainload grub instead?
[14:38] <arand> MIOW: And report a bug on it.
[14:39] <bcurtiswx_laptop> vish: when a hundredpapercuts is triaged.. does this mean it's accepted to be fixed?
[14:40] <vish> bcurtiswx_laptop: yeah , well we accept the bugs that we find as irritating and /need/ to be fixed..
[14:41] <vish> bcurtiswx_laptop: trivially fixable user irritations == papercuts
[14:41] <bcurtiswx_laptop> vish: i looked for a wiki page that may explain this with no luck.. is there such one?
[14:41] <vish> bcurtiswx_laptop: explain what? i didnt understand
[14:42] <vish> bcurtiswx_laptop: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PaperCut ?
[14:43] <bcurtiswx_laptop> vish: sorry i'll try to explain better.  When a reporter feels a bug is a hundredpapercut its set to new.  Then when its accepted to be fixed it goes to triaged and then regular fix-committed/released applies.. but this mindset isn't documented anywhere
[14:43] <bcurtiswx_laptop> as far as I could see in a search.. even on that papercut site
[14:45] <vish> bcurtiswx_laptop: hmm , probably the first person who asked this.. the status is the same as the other bugs , the triaged are the bugs we accept as usability fixes and trivial.. not sure it needs to be documented , seems similar to other projects
[14:46] <vish> usability problems*
[14:46] <MIOW> arand, thank you :) will definitely try that
[14:46] <bcurtiswx_laptop> vish: OK
[14:50] <patdk-wk> hmm, why doesn't the installer let me pick encrypted or lvm drives anymore?
[14:54] <CalmvsKhaos> patdk-lap, where on thie installer did you ever get to choose those? I've must of missed that step
[14:54] <CalmvsKhaos> the*
[14:54] <patdk-wk> I didn't :)
[14:55] <patdk-wk> when I went to manually setup the drives
[14:55] <CalmvsKhaos> ah
[14:55] <patdk-wk> I always had that option on previous versions
[14:55] <CalmvsKhaos> I just let installer pick
[14:55] <patdk-wk> well, I care about my systems, cause I put /var, /boot, /home, /opt, /usr on different disks
[14:56] <CalmvsKhaos> I want to do that some day too, just lazy :)
[14:57] <arand> Oh, look we have restart-required back as an indicator, completely unintuitive and obscurified as a red reboot button with info hidden in the middle of a menu, but still :) Nao can haz update-indicator back awso plz?
[14:58] <running_rabbit07> sounds like too much work. /, /home and swap are plenty, IMHO
[15:00] <CalmvsKhaos> I think I would just do /home on a separate partition
[15:01] <BluesKaj> CalmvsKhaos, because you can or is it faster ?
[15:01] <Dr_Willis> i alwyas keep a  extra /data partition also :) just for special stuff...
[15:01] <patdk-wk> I have my /home split per user
[15:01] <patdk-wk> luks encrypted, and decrypted using user password on login
[15:02] <BluesKaj> never found any benefit to a separate partition for /home
[15:02] <patdk-wk> much perfer that over encfs
[15:02] <jpds> patdk-wk: You know that Ubuntu intregrates eCryptfs to do that automagically?
[15:02] <patdk-wk> idiot admins/users killing your server :)
[15:02] <kklimonda> whoa, ubuntu server 10.04 boots really fast
[15:02] <kklimonda> I love it
[15:02] <patdk-wk> jpds, yes, but only on a file level
[15:03] <patdk-wk> I don't want them to even see files
[15:03] <patdk-wk> I like the large block of stuff
[15:03] <patdk-wk> and you don't know what is actually data, or what is just empty space
[15:04] <patdk-wk> my friend was describing the options his mac gives him to do it
[15:04] <patdk-wk> seems like it has some kind of sparse file block encryption option
[15:08] <kklimonda> Mac way of doing this sucks in my humble opinion
[15:08] <kklimonda> the sparse image can only grow so once in a while you have to shrink it manually and it takes time..
[15:08] <kklimonda> unless they have fixed it?
[15:09] <patdk-wk> dunno
[15:09] <patdk-wk> but still seems better than people figuring out how much space they need before hand
[15:10] <kklimonda> true - but that's why I prefer the ecryptfs solution
[15:10] <patdk-wk> I just don't like letting people know what they should attempt to hack at
[15:10] <patdk-wk> knowing a file has plaintext in it is a good start
[15:12] <kklimonda> patdk-wk: they wouldn't know
[15:12] <kklimonda> ecryptfs also encrypts filenames
[15:12] <patdk-wk> if I remember correctly, the directory structure is intact
[15:12] <patdk-wk> it is not hard to figure out where the firefox page cache or email spool cache are
[15:13] <patdk-wk> just by looking at the dir tree
[15:13] <kklimonda> patdk-wk: that was some time ago - now all names are encrypted
[15:13] <patdk-wk> I'm not talking about names :)
[15:13] <patdk-wk> I'm talking about the tree
[15:14] <patdk-wk> unless all encrypted files are stored in a single directory
[15:14] <patdk-wk> I was pretty sure it used a tree layout based on the normal directory layout
[15:14] <patdk-wk> encryped names don't help to protect the layout
[15:15] <cdE|Woozy> patdk-lap: it still does
[15:16] <patdk-wk> so you know firefox cache will be exactly 4 directories deep, and have a crapload of files
[15:17] <kklimonda> patdk-wk: true but attacker would need quite a lot of computing power to decrypt files and if you piss someone who has that much power he can as well break your legs and shoot knees ;)
[15:17] <patdk-wk> in that case, why encrypt at all? :)
[15:18] <patdk-wk> he doesn't need that much computing power to break knees
[15:18] <patdk-wk> legs
[15:18] <patdk-wk> but if we forget the encryption options
[15:18] <patdk-wk> lvm is totally missing from the installer menu
[15:18] <patdk-wk> and I use it on most of my systems
[15:19] <kklimonda> patdk-wk: well, you can encrypt your files so if your laptop is stolen you don't have to change passwords to all services in hurry
[15:19] <psusi> afaik mac lets you create an encrypted disk image then loopback mount it
[15:19] <CalmvsKhaos> Would anyone know how i could make this a bash script? http://paste.ubuntu.com/400590/
[15:21] <psusi> patdk-wk: from the livecd?  yes... use alternate for menu driven raid or lvm setup
[15:21] <cnd_> sooo... what do I do when "update-manager -d" dies in the middle of upgrading to lucid?
[15:21] <psusi> cnd_: run it again?
[15:21] <mvo> cnd_: a bugreport with the logs in /var/log/dist-upgrade/*
[15:22] <mvo> cnd_: and the crash file from /var/crash please
[15:22] <cnd_> so it's safe to run again?
[15:22] <mvo> cnd_: what is the error?
[15:22] <mvo> cnd_: or did it just disappear?
[15:22] <arand> cnd_: Did it die during downloading or installing?
[15:23] <cnd_> it died during package upgrade/installation, it just disappeared, there's a traceback in the terminal ending with "AttributeError: 'webkit.WebView' object has no attribute 'get_load_status'"
[15:23] <cnd_> for example, empathy is dead because libempathy-gtk no longer exists
[15:24] <cnd_> so the system state is definitely hosed right now
[15:24] <leagris> Hellow, What is the state of SSD trim command support with kernel+ext4+jfs+btrfs?
[15:24] <mvo> cnd_: this is a upgrade from karmic?
[15:24] <cnd_> mvo: yes
[15:26] <kklimonda> cnd_: what is the version of update-manager ?
[15:26] <kklimonda> apt-cache policy update-manager
[15:26] <mvo> cnd_: thanks, fixing now, I think I know what bug it is
[15:26] <mvo> cnd_: please run "sudo dpkg --configure -a" and "sudo apt-get install -f" to get it back into shape
[15:27] <cnd_> kklimonda, 1:0.126.9
[15:27] <cnd_> mvo: will do, thanks
[15:28] <cnd_> mvo: after that's done, will I be upgraded to lucid?
[15:28] <cnd_> or do I need to rerun update-manager?
[15:28] <MTecknology> apparently wlan0 is now n ethernet device.........
[15:28] <arand> Removal of devicekit-disks, libparted-2.1-0, libparted1.8-12 is sane?
[15:29] <mvo> cnd_: best is to set your sources.list back to karmic and re-run update-manager, but wait a little bit until the bug is fixed
[15:30] <cnd_> mvo: so vim :%s/lucid/karmic/g in /etc/sources*, and then wait for some package to be upgraded, then rerun update-manager?
[15:30] <cnd_> do I wait for a fix in update-manager itself, or in some other package?
[15:30] <sebsebseb> Hi
[15:31] <mvo> cnd_: the fix will come with the next update-manager upload, so until its build+published ~2h or so
[15:31] <pmatulis> mvo: for what it's worth, this morning an update removed a lot of packages, from what i can see, most were due to gnome-panel, ubuntu-desktop, and hplip being removed
[15:31] <mvo> cnd_: does lsb_release -a still report karmic?
[15:31] <pmatulis> mvo: i just re-installed those
[15:31] <mvo> pmatulis: oh, could you please mail me the logs? that sounds like a bug in the logic that should prevent this
[15:31] <cnd_> mvo: says lucid now
[15:31] <mvo> pmatulis: that was a karmic->lucid upgrade?
[15:32] <pmatulis> mvo: no, i've been on lucid for a while now
[15:32] <mvo> cnd_: ok, in this case it will not offer the full upgrade, you can downgrade the lsb-release package or simply let "sudo apt-get install -f ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" do its job, downgrade will be closer to the real upgrade experience though
[15:33] <mvo> pmatulis: it should have written a log in /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log I think, could you check if that has a matching time and mail it to me please?
[15:33] <cnd_> mvo: I don't care about experience or anything, I just need a working lucid system
[15:34] <cnd_> mvo: is that as simple as "apt-get dist-upgrade" at this point?
[15:34] <mvo> cnd_: yes
[15:34] <mvo> cnd_: to be certain also run "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" afterwards
[15:34] <arand> And
[15:34] <cnd_> mvo: thanks
[15:35] <pmatulis> mvo: why dist-upgrade?  thought was was for a... dist. upgrade
[15:36] <mvo> pmatulis: well, yeah, this is what we need in this case, he is probably in a limbo state, some packages upgraded already, some not (because of the crash)
[15:36] <mvo> pmatulis: the difference is really just that upgrade will not remove anything and dist-upgrade may remove stuff, so its safer to run upgrade
[15:37] <arand> ...Bug #437429 is _Fixed_ \o/
[15:37] <Pici> woo
[15:38] <pmatulis> mvo: no, timestamps don't show any recent changes to that file
[15:39] <pmatulis> mvo: anyway, will send you what i have
[15:42] <Dr_Willis> Theres not really a good tool to  configure the noprmal system sounds either.
[15:42] <Dr_Willis> I find the default startup sounds way tooooo looooooooonnnnngggggg....
[15:44] <arand> Dr_Willis: Yea, there it's still all-or-null, where in my opinion, null is infinitely more preferable.
[15:44] <freckle> hi, just upgraded to 10.04 and now when i reboot I am dropped to command line, any ideas?
[15:45] <psusi> freckle: can you be a little more vague? :)
[15:48] <freckle> sure , I clicked on the upgrade from update-maanger -d and went through the update to Lucid Lynx, after the system rebooted it did not start X and went straight to a console based login
[15:48] <Dr_Willis> wow that  https://launchpad.net/bugs/437429
[15:48] <Dr_Willis> has a lloooooooonggg list of  comments.. :)
[15:48] <Dr_Willis> heh
[15:48] <Dr_Willis> I dont see any 'fix' released.. just a work around on how to set it.. but im only 1/4 the way through the messages
[15:50] <Dr_Willis> a simple  and not too loud 'ding dong' :) or somthing would be  a good  idea id think
[15:53] <ccmonster> hey guys.
[15:53] <ccmonster> having issues with a lamp-server^ install on 10.04. Any help would be appreciated.
[15:53] <wolter> if i install the noveau driver (theoretically with the kms for the plymouth boot screen) having the propietary installed already, would the blob need to be removed?
[15:54] <lifestream> I read the Partial Uprade @ UF. It advises to hold off upgrading when apt-get wants to do a partial upgrade that will remove packages. However, I have a partial upgrade available "136 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded".  No packages will be removed. So it's ok to upgrade,right>?
[15:55] <lifestream> #kubuntu+1
[15:55] <lifestream> oops
[15:55] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. here we go ->
[15:55] <Dr_Willis> sound-theme-freedesktop - freedesktop.org sound theme
[15:56] <Dr_Willis> A Not as nasty startup sound perhaps.
[15:58] <BoondoKLife> lifestream: That is really up to you, if it is a production machine then I would say not, but then again I would not run a beta on production.
[15:59] <lifestream> Not production, but dont really want to mess it up either. I'll give it a try anyway ;p Thanks
[16:00] <ccmonster> When i hit .php pages on my lamp install in lucid, the browser prompts me to download a .phtml file. Any help overcoming this?
[16:00] <BoondoKLife> lifestream: I have a fun box that I do things like that on myself. Normally if there is a real issue it is fixed quickly.
[16:01] <lucian_> in lucid, is there another way to install the nvidia proprietary drivers besides jockey?
[16:01] <ccmonster> However, when i make a phpinfo.php page, it renderes fine.
[16:01] <wolter> lucian_, yes, but they can cause serious troube
[16:01] <wolter> trouble*
[16:02] <wolter> i think its envy or something like that
[16:02] <cnd> ugh... today is just not my day, apt-get dist-upgrade failed on qemu-common cause some files conflict with qemu-kvm
[16:02] <cnd> what's the best way to fix this issue during an upgrade from karmic->lucid
[16:02] <arand> lucian_: Or simply install nvidia-current, I think
[16:02] <yofel> just installing the nvidia-current package won't blacklist nouveau
[16:03] <lucian_> not installing right through jockey for the time being
[16:03] <yofel> jockey does that afaik
[16:03] <ekkon> I'm going to do a port of IE6 for linux.
[16:03] <ekkon> Right now.
[16:03] <lifestream> Nooooo
[16:04] <ekkon> I'll put the firefox icon onto it and spread it all over the internet
[16:04] <yofel> cnd: you should usually upgrade using update-manager or do-release-upgrade
[16:04] <ekkon> Then everybody has IE6 and you are DOOMED
[16:04] <arand> ekkon: ie4linux already has right?
[16:04] <lucian_> isn't ie6 an activeX virus?
[16:04] <yofel> cnd: but if you get overwrite conflict message from dpkg, file a bug
[16:04] <yofel> *messages
[16:04] <cnd> yofel: I have to do dist-upgrade because update-manager died during upgrade
[16:04] <ekkon> arand: I doubt ie4linux managed to port all bugs correctly
[16:04] <cnd> so my system is in an unstable state right now
[16:05] <cnd> I have to get it upgraded all the way to lucid before I worry about anything else
[16:05] <yofel> cnd: oh, then file a bug against the package that wants to overwrite something (the newer one)
[16:05] <cnd> yofel: yes, I will, but before I do that I have to get past this issue
[16:05] <yofel> cnd: and use dpkg to remove the older package before you continue
[16:06] <yofel> cnd: something like 'sudo dpkg --remove --force-depends <pkgname>'
[16:08] <ccmonster> is there a reason why a lamp-server^ install on lucid has an unconfigured conf file?
[16:08] <ccmonster> the previous versions always were fine right out of the box (after install)
[16:10] <guntbert> ccmonster: is "being beta" reason enough?
[16:12] <ccmonster> Possibly. But odd they would change something that's likely not going to change on release.
[16:13] <lucian_> lovely, nvidia failed to load the kernel module again
[16:14] <BUGa_CarAccident> ekkon: FYI you can't put FF icon. Mozilla will SUE
[16:17] <Kwpolska> hi.
[16:26] <ZykoticK9> ccmonster, when you say "lamp-server" do you mean you installed apache2 from the Ubuntu repo OR are you using home 3rd party installation?
[16:26] <ZykoticK9> s/home/some
[16:30] <ccmonster> i did a sudo apt-get install lamp-server^
[16:31] <ZykoticK9> !info lamp-server
[16:31] <ZykoticK9> ccmonster, you must have a 3rd party repo on your system then.
[16:32] <Bittarman> lol
[16:33] <Bittarman> LAMP = Linux, Apache, Mysql, Php. You just told a linux system to install linux 0.o
[16:33] <ccmonster> lol Bittarman, when u put it like that, yes.
[16:34] <Bittarman> I don't think youll ever find an official package called "lamp"
[16:34] <ccmonster> lol
[16:34] <Pici> lamp-server is a valid task in tasksel.
[16:34] <ccmonster> yes. it is
[16:34] <Bittarman> if you do, the vendor needs his head read
[16:38] <BoondoKLife> I love redundancy like that Smiles at an old window NT disc, "Built on NT technology" = "Built on New Technology Technology"
[16:39] <znh> Heh. That's.. marketing or something
[16:44] <red> Reminds me of CSI episode where a woman says "I'll create a GUI interface with visual basic, see if I can track an IP address"
[16:45] <red> yo, i'll make a graphical user interface interface!
[16:45] <Zeelot3k> hey guys, I've installed 10.04 beta1 but the fonts look horrible (seems like no AA), what setting do I need to change for that? I've never had to change anything before in order to make fonts render properly
[16:45] <sulle> When i am trying to sign the code of conduct. What passphrase am i supposed to type in?.
[16:45] <red> Zeelot3k: system / preferences / appearance / fonts
[16:45] <red> from the top menu
[16:46] <red> you can choose which font rendering to use
[16:46] <Zeelot3k> I've been there and there doesn't seem to be anything that looks good
[16:46] <tom__> anyone know how to get sound to work in ubuntu 10.04
[16:46] <Zeelot3k> red: it's exactly how it is on my current machine (mint-8) and looks nothing like it though
[16:47] <red> i don't know how else to help, sorry :/
[16:47] <Zeelot3k> alright =(
[16:47] <Zeelot3k> it's not a video driver issue by any chance? why doesn't the ATI proprietary driver show up in the hardware driver app?
[16:51] <ZykoticK9> Zeelot3k, see point 2 in Known Issues at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta1#Known%20issues
[16:51] <Zeelot3k> ah
[16:51] <Zeelot3k> I did notice the open source drivers actually work nicely now
[16:52] <Zeelot3k> ZykoticK9: but could that be why my fonts are rendering so horribly?
[16:52] <patdk-wk> sound seems to work perfectly here
[16:52] <Zeelot3k> the OS feels much nicer with the open source drivers though, windows actually maximize normally
[16:53] <ZykoticK9> Zeelot3k, i doubt the font issues is related - maybe?  I was just addressing your "why doesn't the ATI proprietary driver show up in" Jockey part.
[16:54] <Zeelot3k> ZykoticK9: alright, thanks
[17:06] <cnd> so I have two ubuntu partitions, and both think they are the grub boot partition
[17:06] <cnd> right now, my lucid testing partition is the one that is read for grub.cfg
[17:06] <cnd> how do I switch that to my (previously karmic) new lucid partition?
[17:08] <straterra> I don't need any help with Lucid, but I was told to come here..
[17:09] <Ian_Corne> you'll need to explain your problem first
[17:09] <straterra> I have an issue with 9.10 that's fixed in Lucid and was wondering if it would get backported..or if I could use the Lucid package.
[17:09] <straterra> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/518582
[17:09] <straterra> I have the bug exhibited there
[17:09] <patdk-wk> psusi, anything on the defrag? :)
[17:09] <ZykoticK9> straterra, sorry when you said "It's in Lucid" i figured you where using Lucid - sorry
[17:10] <straterra> The fix is in Lucid
[17:10] <ZykoticK9> straterra, ahh - ya you need the regular #ubuntu channel
[17:10] <straterra> No one there can help me either
[17:11] <mfraz74> have you submitted a backport request?
[17:12] <straterra> No..I guess I just assumed a bug that effects 1 out of every 16k was severe enough to be backported..
[17:14] <straterra> Where is this backport request procedure?
[17:14] <ZykoticK9> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[17:20] <alex_mayorga> just got "gnome-screensaver-gl-helper crashed with SIGSEGV in _fini()" what do I do with it?
[17:20] <znh> Hello
[17:20] <znh> I just ran a upgrade from 9.10 to lucid and I think it failed
[17:20] <alex_mayorga> the reporter found a bunch of invalids with similar signature
[17:23] <znh> update manager claims that it cannot see all updates an propose an partial upgrade. This however fails with the message, cannot upgrade from lucid to karmic
[17:24] <znh> apt-get -f install seems to do something now...
[17:24] <BUGa_CarAccident> znh: DON'T force upgrades
[17:24] <BUGa_CarAccident> unless you really know what you are doing
[17:25]  * patdk-wk knows :)
[17:25] <BUGa_CarAccident> znh: $ sudo aptitude safe-upgrade is much better
[17:25] <patdk-wk> breaking the system, so he can reinstall it :)
[17:25] <alex_mayorga> BUGa_CarAccident: did you crash?
[17:25] <BUGa_CarAccident> you can try $ sudo aptitude full.-upgrade and see the conflits and decide
[17:25] <BUGa_CarAccident> alex_mayorga: sorta
[17:26] <BUGa_CarAccident> alex_mayorga: http://p.bugabundo.net/sometimes-you-are-just-not-that-lucky
[17:27] <seangoudy> I need help. cannot update. no space available. How do I expand memory?
[17:28] <cnd> ok, I just got all upgraded to lucid, but I'm missing the "Me Menu"
[17:28] <cnd> how do I get that?
[17:28] <DGMurdockIII> hi
[17:28] <psusi> patdk-wk: eh?
[17:29] <patdk-wk> how is defrag coming?
[17:29] <patdk-wk> got my lucid system setup
[17:29] <DGMurdockIII> is there any way to to do a upgrade to the beta from ubuntu 9.10?
[17:30] <mfraz74> doesn't it say on the ubuntu beta website?
[17:30] <psusi> patdk-wk: got it working with the larger inodes last night.... still need to tackle some of the other features in ext4... the toughest one should be extents
[17:31] <patdk-wk> ya, I'm thinking switching my mythtv system to use ext4 extents would be a good thing :)
[17:31] <yofel> DGMurdockIII: sure, run 'gksu update-manager -d' and it will show lucid as available
[17:31] <DGMurdockIII> ok thanks
[17:31] <mfraz74> think there is if you're using kubuntu, but not sure about ubuntu - perhaps you have to go to 9.10 first
[17:31] <yofel> DGMurdockIII: remember to make backups for important data before that
[17:32] <yofel> DGMurdockIII: and don't rely on lucid for anything ;)
[17:32] <DGMurdockIII> ii dont use ubuntu for much
[17:32] <znh> yeah.. Keep in mind that it will likely turn your system into crap
[17:32] <DGMurdockIII> i many use windows
[17:32] <DGMurdockIII> it a dual boot systam
[17:33] <patdk-wk> it could very well trash windows on that system
[17:33] <patdk-wk> shouldn't, but possible :)
[17:33] <yofel> patdk-wk: and lucid still has no e4defrag
[17:33] <mfraz74> i would love to trash windows
[17:33] <patdk-wk> yofel, heh?
[17:33] <yofel> patdk-wk: the ext4 developers are working on it from time to time, but it's just not important to them
[17:34] <DGMurdockIII> do i tryp gksu update-manager -d in the consoal
[17:34] <h00k> ZykoticK9: I just happened to find your site, clicked "about" and there you are.  *thumbsup*
[17:34]  * patdk-wk has no idea what yofel is talking about
[17:34] <znh> DGMurdockIII, yep.
[17:34] <yofel> patdk-wk: you were asking "<patdk-wk> how is defrag coming?"
[17:34] <patdk-wk> yofel, in response to psusi
[17:35] <yofel> ah, sry then ^^
[17:35] <DGMurdockIII> thanks
[17:36] <znh> uhm, are there any fun Ubuntu blogs? about it's progress and everything
[17:36] <BUGa_CarAccident> znh: lots
[17:36] <BUGa_CarAccident> voices.canonical.com
[17:36] <BUGa_CarAccident> is a nice place
[17:36] <BUGa_CarAccident> planet.ubuntu.com
[17:37] <yofel> or http://www.ubunturoot.com/
[17:37] <patdk-wk> I wish planet.ubuntu.com had more useful info
[17:37] <patdk-wk> it's just a stream of peoples personal lives :( don't care much
[17:38] <BUGa_CarAccident> patdk I'm of the opinion planets should only stream tagged popsts
[17:38] <BUGa_CarAccident> posts
[17:38] <psusi> yea, e4defrag seems like it won't be done before we're all using btrfs anyhow, which is why I'm resurrecting e2defrag
[17:39] <mfraz74> how about omgubuntu.co.uk
[17:40] <jpds> BUGa_CarAccident: $ grep ubuntu ubuntu/planet-ubuntu/main/config.ini| wc -l
[17:40] <jpds> 159
[17:40] <BUGa_CarAccident> :)
[17:40] <DGMurdockIII> when i do the command it try to run a brute force on password
[17:40] <BUGa_CarAccident> no wonder I stop reading my greader planets tag
[17:42] <BUGa_CarAccident> humm actually its not that big: 2168 ubnread items
[17:43] <guntbert> !ot | BUGa_CarAccident
[17:44] <myk_robinson> evening, all. I am running Windows XP inside VirtualBox PUEL on an Ubuntu 10.04 Beta 1 host. Anyone able to get USB support running in VB on Lucid yet?
[17:45] <BUGa_CarAccident> myk_robinson: VB from archive or SUN?
[17:45] <myk_robinson> from Sun
[17:45] <BUGa_CarAccident> cause OSE doesn't have USB support
[17:45] <BUGa_CarAccident> are you sure??
[17:46] <myk_robinson> have Guest Additions installed as well
[17:46] <myk_robinson> I'm sure, just downloaded it yesterday and installed the .deb manually
[17:46] <patdk-wk> what version is it?
[17:46] <mfraz74> any reasons why pitivi is a default app in UNR 10.04?
[17:47] <myk_robinson> its version 3.1.4 r57640
[17:47] <cnd> mvo: I've gotten upgraded to lucid, but I'm not sure everything worked right
[17:48] <cnd> some of the new lucid packages are missing, like rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store and indicator-me
[17:48] <cnd> is there something extra I need to do to get new packages?
[17:49] <ZykoticK9> h00k, thanks man (the site is crappy...)
[17:49] <mfraz74> have you done an update?
[17:50] <cnd> (I also tried apt-get install ubuntu-desktop, but it was already installed)
[17:50] <myk_robinson> looks like running "sudo hald --daemon=no" allows VB to use USB
[18:04] <h00k> ZykoticK9: it works. I was going to try your X-Plane instructions, but I'm wary of using the getlibs
[18:04] <h00k> ZykoticK9: for Lucid
[18:04] <sqwertle> I'm having this problem when I try to run codeblocks, http://paste.ubuntu.com/400691/ , any idea?
[18:15] <kklimonda> sqwertle: try deleting this default.conf file? it looks empty
[18:17] <mvo> cnd: you can try apt-get install --fix-policy that will give you your missing recommends
[18:17] <mvo> or should
[18:18] <DarkTao> hi everyone, does anyone know whats happening with Plymouth on nVidia hardware?
[18:18] <DarkTao> I get a purple load screen with blocky text saying Ubuntu 10.04 with parts of text as certain things load, almost like watching a verbose boot... no sexy loadings :(
[18:19] <bjsnider> that's because the nvidia blob has no kms driver
[18:19] <_lemsx1_> I'm using Ubuntu Lucid on a mobile device (OQO). it's crashing at boot. how do i turn off plymouth ?
[18:19] <bjsnider> you'd have to use nouveau for that
[18:19] <cnd> mvo: what exactly does --fix-policy do? there's nothing about it in man apt-get
[18:19] <DarkTao> wasnt there supposed to be a module that fixed it for proprietary drivers?
[18:19] <cnd> it's about to install a bunch of packages on my system, so I want to be sure it's a "good thing"
[18:20] <DarkTao> vgafb16?
[18:20] <cnd> DarkTao: yeah, I think vga16fb can cause the same symtpoms
[18:20] <cnd> you can blacklist it through /etc/modprobe.d
[18:20] <DarkTao> cnd, meh, so no sexyness for nVidia users then?
[18:20] <DanaG> what I do when I have binary drivers: I use "uvesafb"
[18:21] <cnd> DarkTao: honestly, my computer boots so fast I never see plymouth...
[18:21] <mvo> cnd: it looks at what packages have missing recommends basicly, if the list looks sane it should be fine
[18:21] <DarkTao> cnd, well just amazes me Canonical are feeding these things in and it only works on 2 of 3 gfx vendor cards
[18:21] <DGMurdockIII> when doing the upgrade how long dose it take to calcuate the changes?
[18:22]  * gnomefreak has no issue with nvidia+plymouth
[18:22] <_lemsx1_> does booting into single user mode disables plymouth ?
[18:22] <gnomefreak> cnd: it will grab the missing recommends
[18:22] <cnd> DarkTao: it works fine if you want to use the open source nouveau driver (and perhaps blacklist vga16fb, which is a bug we need to work on)
[18:22] <cnd> gnomefreak: mvo: thanks
[18:22] <DanaG> Gdk-ERROR **: The program 'gnome-settings-daemon' received an X Window System error.
[18:22] <DanaG> This probably reflects a bug in the program.
[18:22] <DanaG> The error was 'BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)'.
[18:22] <DarkTao> _lemsx1_, didnt realise you could disable it? it has superseded usplash?
[18:22] <gnomefreak> DarkTao: yes
[18:22] <DarkTao> cnd, if I use that, then I cant enable desktop effects
[18:23] <cnd> _lemsx1_: single user mode will not use plymouth during that boot
[18:23] <_lemsx1_> DarkTao: uh? yes, Plymouth is the graphic boot provider. i can't disable it. it seems
[18:23] <_lemsx1_> cnd: thanks... then my problem is elsewhere
[18:23] <DanaG> I had to actually BREAK vga16fb to get it to stop blocking my radeon KMS from working.
[18:23] <DanaG> break as in adding a kernel parameter: "vga16fb.DoNotWant=1".
[18:24] <_lemsx1_> I'm doing cmdline args "single init=/bin/sh" now
[18:24] <gnomefreak> _lemsx1_: disable no but blacklist and/or remove you can
[18:24] <cnd> DarkTao: correct, but Canonical didn't make the nvidia drivers, so they can't tell them to put kms in
[18:24] <DanaG> Merely blacklisting it didn't work for the compiled-in driver.
[18:24] <cousteau> so I tried to install a program today connected to a wifi, and the hash sum mismatched. I tried again twice and it finally worked. Would it be possible to add a "Retry" option to apt after a download mismatches?
[18:24] <DarkTao> cnd, ergo... canonical are breaking 2 features of the desktop system they've made
[18:24] <cnd> DarkTao: what have they broken?
[18:24] <DarkTao> cnd, either have a seamless bootup experience which is what they're trying to accomplish, with no compiz, which is built in
[18:25] <BoondoKLife> Why was the measurement of files changed form 1024 to 1000? Is there a real benefit to anyone?
[18:25] <cousteau> also, check them just after downloading them, so you save time if a download failed
[18:25] <_lemsx1_> no luck... after init-bottom it simply stops
[18:25] <DarkTao> cnd, or have a fudged boot up (that looks even worse than usplash) and have compiz
[18:25] <gnomefreak> cousteau: apt you need to use apt-get update and than try again. synaptic already has a refresh option and IIRC so does smartpm
[18:25] <_lemsx1_> oh, but i do have a shell! no prompt
[18:26] <_lemsx1_> goodness...
[18:26] <gnomefreak> cousteau: there is an option to check but not install or download IIRC
[18:26] <cnd> DarkTao: again, it's proprietary drivers that canonical doesn't support, and can't support
[18:26] <DarkTao> cnd: i'll be right back, just testing something... going to remove nvidia blob and use noveau, it may sort out the gnome-panel load times
[18:27] <cnd> DarkTao: I'm very happy with nouveau myself
[18:27] <DarkTao> cnd: i just like my wobbly windows :'(
[18:27] <cnd> DarkTao: as a data point, nvidia suspend resume takes 10 s total just for the graphics drivers
[18:27] <cousteau> gnomefreak: anyway, after running `sudo aptitude install qucs` it finally worked
[18:27] <cnd> nouveau takes < 400 ms
[18:28] <cnd> so yes, you've lost desktop shadows and wobbles, but for me I'm much happier with nouveau
[18:28] <DarkTao> cnd: also my Docky will break, which requires compositing
[18:28] <cnd> with out of the box multimonitor support through xrandr
[18:28] <BoondoKLife> cnd: you can get the shadows back using metacity compositing
[18:28] <DarkTao> BoondoKLife, which is utter rubbish
[18:28] <gnomefreak> IIRC the upstream installer is broken let me see if i can find it
[18:28] <cousteau> cnd: nouveau doesn't have 3D afaik, or is unsupported, am I right?
[18:28] <cnd> BoondoKLife: is that software graphics?
[18:28] <BoondoKLife> DarkTao: Also gnome-do and docky run fine with that too
[18:28] <DanaG> For me, fglrx suspend/resume sometimes takes anywhere from 5 to INFINITY minutes.
[18:29] <DarkTao> BoondoKLife, moving windows gives you about 2fps... its like running Crysis on a Speak and Spell
[18:29] <cnd> cousteau: correct, unsupported 3d that I haven't been able to get working
[18:29] <DanaG> sO, I just use the open-source ATI, instead.
[18:29] <BoondoKLife> cnd: That is the the window manager. I use it one my boxes and dont have an issue.
[18:29] <cousteau> (that's what I saw on their page)
[18:29] <cnd> cousteau: but phoronix has been able to, so it's possible on some hardware
[18:29] <cousteau> and it means no openGL
[18:29] <BoondoKLife> DarkTao: Not in my case, moving windows is fine
[18:29] <cnd> BoondoKLife: you use it with nouveau?
[18:30] <gnomefreak> DarkTao: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta1#Known%20issues
[18:30] <BoondoKLife> cnd: Yup
[18:30] <cousteau> well, not exactly unsupported, but experimental, iirc
[18:30] <gnomefreak> nvidia^^
[18:30] <jo-erlend> in the MeMenu, it's possible to write messages to your microblogging accounts, but I
[18:30] <cnd> cousteau: the nouveau wiki says unsupported
[18:30] <jo-erlend> I'm only able to send to facebook. What am I doing wrong?
[18:30] <BoondoKLife> cnd: Only downside is conky casts a shadow, but o well
[18:30] <DarkTao> gnomefreak, why link me that? O.o
[18:30] <gnomefreak> DarkTao: nvidia issues are on there
[18:30] <cousteau> ok, then I recalled incorrectly
[18:31] <DarkTao> gnomefreak, one of them, which isnt applicable
[18:31] <DanaG> I tried nouveau on a gf6100, and it went like 0.5 fps (and then froze) when moving a window.
[18:31] <cousteau> "But you can read GalliumHowto  in case you are brave enough."
[18:31] <gnomefreak> DarkTao: did you try one of the other 2 drivers?
[18:31] <DarkTao> DanaG, does the same to me on a 7950GT
[18:31] <DarkTao> gnomefreak, we're discussing noveau and metacity compositing
[18:32] <gnomefreak> good luck with that ;)
[18:32] <DarkTao> gnomefreak, exactly my point ;)
[18:32] <_lemsx1_> i think i found it. kernel panic!
[18:32] <_lemsx1_> f* me
[18:32] <DanaG> heh, I read that as f-star me.
[18:32] <cnd> IMHO, nouveau's features more than make up for lack of 3D when you compare it to nvidia
[18:33] <cnd> but I understand that my usage scenario is different from others
[18:33] <DanaG> heh, especially compared to legacy (96) drivers.
[18:33] <cnd> and it may be the other way around for some
[18:33] <_lemsx1_> DanaG: yeah, this is a family place. so your mind is in the right mode :-)
[18:33] <DarkTao> cnd, I like eyecandy :(
[18:33] <DanaG> The nvidia 96 driver seems to have only one feature: segfault the X server.
[18:33] <DanaG> And every year, they update it to segfault NEW X servers!
[18:34] <DarkTao> DanaG, it also reportedly creates a wormhole to 1867
[18:34] <DanaG> BWAHAHAHAHA
[18:34] <BoondoKLife> DarkTao: Hmm if that is the case let me grab a sports compendium and go back in time right quick.
[18:35] <russ5811> i've recently upgraded to 10.04 64bit. I cannot get flash to work. i've tried to do it manually and with scripts. I've uninstalled and reinstalled ubuntu restricted extras. can someone help?
[18:36] <cousteau> DanaG: well, that's the problem with new X servers, people on Nvidia have to make a new driver for them
[18:37] <platius> russ5811,   http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/64bit.html    there are install insturctions in the link to the release notes
[18:37] <DarkTao> BoondoKLife, I did that in KDE, i created a network wormhole but all the files the other end were from 1985
[18:37] <DarkTao> D
[18:37] <DarkTao> BoondoKLife, malfunctioning flux capacitor I think
[18:37] <russ5811> platius, i'll try it again. thanks for the link.
[18:37] <cousteau> (and that driver is normally not included in the ubuntu version with that server, so I ended up installing the driver manually)
[18:37] <BoondoKLife> DarkTao: Gawd, that had to have sucked. no pun intended!
[18:38] <BoondoKLife> DarkTao: Im getting a lag time of about 25 years here.... WOW
[18:39] <platius> russ5811,  basicly you uninstall any falah stuff, the put the downloaded *.so file in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[18:39] <platius> flash#
[18:39] <_lemsx1_> in lucid, what event from upstart changes the screen before /etc/rcS.d is exec?
[18:40] <russ5811> ok, platius, i'm back to where i started. let me ask you a clarifying question. I've got the following folder: home/.mozilla/plugins with the .so file
[18:40] <russ5811> is that wrong?
[18:40]  * cousteau has a subdirectory in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins to store several flash plugins, and switches them frequently
[18:40]  * BoondoKLife must be lucky, never has had all these flash issues.
[18:41] <platius> russ5811,   I did that /home b4 but it works well just installing it in the /usr... location sudo cp it to the dir
[18:41] <russ5811> ok. i'll give it a shot.
[18:41] <russ5811> thx
[18:42] <platius> russ5811,   remove any flash stuff you already have installed 1st
[18:42] <cousteau> BoondoKLife: I use 32 bits, but sometimes I want to try a beta, or an older version...
[18:43] <cousteau> you know, the typical bug on the flash player that adobe doesn't want to fix
[18:43] <russ5811> platius, is there a command line to remove the flash or should i just search "flash" in my synaptic
[18:45] <platius> russ5811,   I did the synaptics to remove flash
[18:45] <russ5811> ok. thanks
[18:45] <priodev> sorry for the noobish question, but is it correct that an install as fresh as a Beta version gives me 200MB of Updates right after the install?
[18:45] <KB1JWQ> priodev: yes.
[18:45] <cousteau> priodev: the beta is really old... almost a week
[18:45] <JEEBsv> and packages get updated :)
[18:45] <cousteau> I got about 200 daily updates when I was in hardy beta
[18:46] <Oer> incl kernel update :-)
[18:46] <priodev> ok, thanks.. now.. after applying the updates left me without keyboard.. it just doesn't work.. only mouse
[18:46] <russ5811> platius, sorry for all the questions here, but when i search "flash" in synaptic, it only comes up with ubuntu restricted extras. is there a way to remove flash surgically?
[18:46] <priodev> that's a VMWare install, btw
[18:47] <platius> russ5811,   hmm, gimme a sec
[18:47] <russ5811> no prob
[18:49] <platius> russ5811,  my synaptis search comes up with flashplugin-installer and flashplugin-nonfree which are not installed
[18:49] <dragon> What's more stable? beta1 or latest daily?
[18:50] <Sioux-33> hi i wanted to ask is there any chance to install in lucid beta udev (version 147~-6)?? i tried synaptic but cant downgrade it there
[18:50] <charlie-tca> always the latest daily
[18:50] <Clark3934> Hey, I'm having problems with my Intel Mobile 4 Series GM45.  When I boot on lucid, there seems to be something wrong with the window manager.  None of the minimize/maximize/etc buttons show up until I manually turn on desktop effects (enabling compiz, i guess).  Then everything works pretty well, except the colors seem to be off when I try to run any window with transparency.  However, when I restart my computer.... it reverts to its previous problem.  I
[18:50] <dragon> charlie-tca: thanks
[18:50] <russ5811> platius, i had the same result. so i guess i won't worry about the ubuntu restricted extras pkg interferring.
[18:51] <platius> russ5811,  sounds good
[18:51] <priodev> where do I report or help debug my keyboard not working (in a vmware install) ?
[18:53] <jo-erlend> it's kinda funny: Gwibber is a rich social networking client, yes? It's been shorted to "social client". But it is a rich client, which makes it a rich social client. A social client in my language, is someone who lives on welfare. :)
[18:54] <jo-erlend> but should messages posted on the memenu also post to twitter?
[18:55] <russ5811> platius, THANK YOU!! All it took was moving the .so from the home/.mozilla/plugin to the usr/lib/mozilla/plugin. thanks for the help and your time.
[18:55] <platius> russ5811,  yw
[18:56] <Sioux-33>  hi i wanted to ask is there any chance to install in lucid beta udev (version 147~-6)?? i tried synaptic but cant downgrade it there
[18:58] <Oer> jo-erlend, Gwibber is a Twitter client, so yes, it is normal your post shows up at twitter.
[18:59] <sroecker> hi, I noticed that I am missing os-prober (I upgraded from karmic to lucid) Shouln't it be installed by default so that grub detects other OSes?
[19:00] <NinoScript> hi!
[19:00] <kklimonda> Sioux-33: I wouldn't really recommend it as lucid depends on newer udev that has been configured for it.
[19:00] <photon> After installing 10.04, I cannot boot the OS. Right after the BIOS messages, my monitor complains that the mode is not supported and I cannot see anything. Any idea what could cause this?
[19:01] <harisund> Can someone please help me with https://bugs.launchpad.net/blueman/+bug/350479
[19:02] <harisund> oops wrong channel
[19:02] <kklimonda> photon: what gpu do you have?
[19:02] <photon> kklimonda: ATI (HD 4850)
[19:02] <photon> kklimonda: oh wait no
[19:02] <kklimonda> photon: try booting linux with nomodeset argument (press left shit during boot to get to the grub console and then follow instructions how to edit command line)
 just the newest use to much cpu so i wanted to downgrade it the same issue i had in karmic with udev 147 6.1 i downgraded it to udev 147 6.0 and everything was ok and i think that in lucid beta i have the same problem
[19:02] <photon> kklimonda: sorry, that's the current PC I'm writing this one. The one in question has Nvidia
[19:03] <photon> kklimonda: I'll try, thanks
[19:03] <jo-erlend> Oer, I'm new with twitter. Should I be able to see the messages I send?
[19:03] <kklimonda> Sioux-33: you should work with developers to fix the excessive cpu usage and not downgrade
[19:03] <kklimonda> Sioux-33: it worked in karmic because karmic wasn't as much dependant as lucid is
[19:04] <alex88> /jk/join #ubuntu
[19:04] <jo-erlend> Oer, to be honest, I'm only using twitter in order to know the new social stuff in lucid. It's valuable to me, as I'll be creating videos and presentations of Lucid, so I have to know how all these stuff works.
[19:04] <_lemsx1_> @#$@ plan b. removing gdm plymouth and reboot... system works fine if i start everything by hand ( init=/bin/sh single ). i can start getty on tty1, loadkeys, etc.. etc..
[19:04] <alex88> damn..sorry
 where are those developers?
[19:04] <kklimonda> Sioux-33: report a bug on the launchpad
[19:04] <Sioux-33> k
[19:04] <Sioux-33> tnx <kklimonda>
[19:06] <Oer> Twitter is cool, to share and recieve jo-erlend, like i follow http://twitter.com/ubuntusecurity ( for vulnerabilities )
[19:08] <kklimonda> I prefer mailing list for security announcements - I tend to miss tweets or dents
[19:09] <jo-erlend> Oer, ... I "follow" that on the mailinglist. Aren't those security notices way too big for twitter?
[19:11] <Oer> all i need is 1 word ( what program is affected ) and a shortened url in 140 characters.
[19:11] <kklimonda> twitter gets a small desciptio and the link to announcement
[19:13] <BluesKaj> Oer, twitter is cool ?... gawd
[19:15] <jo-erlend> Twitter seems like a network for twits to me, but since we're now supporting it, I have to understand these things.
[19:17] <DarkTao> hmmm is it just me or does scrolling lag out in the Ubuntu Software Centre?
[19:19] <Roberj13> Is there any word on any better flash video solution,  its so slow atm..
[19:20] <cdE|Woozy> DarkTao: it's a gtk bug
[19:20] <DarkTao> cdE|Woozy, thanks woozy :)
[19:21] <jo-erlend> Roberj13, flash video is wrong, and bad by design. You want something that's less bad, but still flash, or do you prefer WWW and HTML5?
[19:21] <cdE|Woozy> DarkTao: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/524567 :)
[19:24] <Roberj13> Less bad but still flash atm, till o can find new sources to where I'm used to going coming from windows
[19:24] <russ5811> anyone know how to get back the little envelope that launches empathy back by the clock if removed from the panel?
[19:25] <jo-erlend> in Gwibber, there are icons to select which networks to send with. Does this affect sending from the MeMenu?
[19:25] <ZykoticK9> russ5811, add "indicator applet" back to panel (right click on panel / Add to panel)
[19:27] <russ5811> zykotick9, thanks
[19:27] <_lemsx1_> ok, i found where the crash happens... getting closer. when udevadm trigger executes it loads something that kills the system
[19:47] <platius> Roberj13,  are running 64bit lucid?
[19:47] <Roberj13> Yes
[19:47] <photon> kklimonda: I pressed left shift during boot, but I didn't get to the grub console. my monitor still says 'mode not supported'.
[19:48] <platius> Roberj13,  Following this worked for me  http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/64bit.html
[19:48] <kklimonda> photon: you have to press it before system starts to boot - i.e. when your bios shows up (or a bit later depending on the bios)
[19:50] <photon> kklimonda: yup, did that. still no effect. maybe I pressed it too early? or grub is totally messed up.
[19:50] <ZykoticK9> photon, don't press shift - hold it down as computer boots
[19:51] <Roberj13> Cool ill check it out
[19:51] <kklimonda> right, press and hold
[19:52] <platius> Roberj13,  make sure  flashplugin-installer and flashplugin-nonfree  are not installed
[19:52] <platius> Roberj13,  b4 you start
[19:52] <centaur5> Why is the text mode installed for Lucid now unable to detect my motherboard's sata controller automatically when Karmic used to?
[19:52] <Roberj13> Platius, thanks so much ill try it when o get home
[19:53] <platius> Roberj13,  good luck
[19:54] <psusi> _lemsx1_: you debugging a 3 minute hang followed by timeout and emergency shell in the initramfs?  you have hardware fake raid?
[19:55] <_lemsx1_> psusi: no. I'm passed initramfs at this point. when udev triggers the events, some driver loads, the screen goes to blank. and the system hangs
[19:55] <_lemsx1_> psusi: i have not been able to find what it is yet
[19:55] <psusi> ohh
[20:00] <_lemsx1_> i think i found the sucker... viafb
[20:08] <beeezn> hi, i'm using lucid with the xorg-edgers ppa for nouveau 3d support. now compiz is working fine but a would like to give gnome-shell a shot. compiled latest git and started. now it is running, but it only takes 1/4 of the screen (top left) I was told this is probably due to bleeding edge nouveau. but i've heard from people running gnome-shell just fine with nouveau
[20:08] <beeezn> any ideas?
[20:08] <_lemsx1_> yep. that was it!
[20:08] <_lemsx1_> added blacklist viafb and now it works
[20:11] <cnd> beeezn: I'd suggest heading over to #nouveau maybe? It's not likely anyone here would know since lucid will not have 3d for nouveau
[20:11] <beeezn> yeah maybe a good idea. i just thought maybe somebody in here has gnome-shell running with nouveau
[20:12] <cnd> beeezn: from my experiences, you're fairly lucky enough as it is :)
[20:12] <beeezn> No 3D user support here <-- channel topic in #noveau :D
[20:12] <cnd> I tried to get nouveau 3d through xorg-edgers without any luck
[20:12] <beeezn> yes very happy with it
[20:12] <beeezn> compiz runs smoothly
[20:12] <beeezn> crashes a few times a day
[20:12] <beeezn> but i can live with that for now
[20:12] <cnd> uhhh... I'll stick with 2d then
[20:18] <ubuntujenkins> has any one tried the wubi in windows 7?
[20:19] <CalmvsKhaos> !Away > FFForever
[20:19] <FFForever> CalmvsKhaos, its not busy right now though ;)
[20:20] <guntbert> FFForever: that applies to all ubuntu channels
[20:28] <FFForever> what is the update schedule for the pre release ubuntus?, I did ~30mb this morning and another ~70mb right now in packages
[20:28] <FFForever> 189mb*
[20:30] <yofel> FFForever: update schedule? updates are available as new packages/fixes are uploaded and built
[20:32] <cemc> I've upgraded to lucid from karmic. how to set the default theme?
[20:33] <charlie-tca> cemc: System -> Preferences -> appearance
[20:33] <charlie-tca> pick a them
[20:34] <cemc> which one is the default?
[20:34] <charlie-tca> whichever one you pick. I think lucid is radiance ?
[20:35] <JoshuaL> could it cause any harm to install prelink?
[20:46] <cemc> (default theme: not a fan ;) )
[20:55] <charlie-tca> cemc: that the one with the purple background?
[20:56] <cemc> charlie-tca: yes, that's the one
[20:57] <cemc> the boot screen looks fine, the login doesn't. after login still doesn't :)
[20:57] <Bittarman> so, anyone know what libgcrypt is doing when I boot? its spoiling plymouth
[20:57] <sqwertle> I've had this problem for a bit now, and I can't seem to get it fixed. I've followed the guides I've found on it to the best of my ability but have not come to a solution. Upon running most programs without root I get this error Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "ubuntulooks".
[20:57] <charlie-tca> That is what comes up be default now on new installs. You might like the radiance better. It is the new light theme
[20:57] <charlie-tca> cemc ^^ ^^
[20:58] <cemc> yeah, that's what I tried and didn't like ;)
[20:59] <cemc> human-clearlooks ftw ;)
[20:59] <eko> good evening
[21:00] <eko> i have a trouve with Ubuntu 10.04 beta 1, when I try to install it on my Windows platform (with wubi.exe), I reboot, I select Ubuntu on the grub menu and then a cleared grub console appear ... the kernel doesn't load, any idea ?
[21:00] <Some_Person> sqwertle: That's weird. ubuntulooks was phased out years ago
[21:00] <sqwertle> It came standard with either lucid or was hidden somewhere in a depository for something I downloaded
[21:01] <sqwertle> Some_Person: perhaps attempting to remove it?
[21:10] <Neezer> anyone here have experience with ipod touch and rhythmbox?
[21:11] <Neezer> I got an error when plugging in my ipod last night, and today...something about not beign able to open null null
[21:12] <Some_Person> sqwertle: ubuntulooks was completely removed in lucid
[21:14] <sqwertle> Some_Person: Aside from that error when trying to apt-get install gtk2-engines-ubuntu looks I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/400788/ .
[21:15] <Some_Person> sqwertle: Try installing human-theme
[21:15] <jmcantrell> i can't get past the splash screen after a fresh install from the alternate cd. anyone have any ideas?
[21:15] <sqwertle> Some_Person: same problem
[21:16] <jmcantrell> i've tried booting into rescue mode, updating, and it still won't boot
[21:16] <Some_Person> sqwertle: What does it say when you try to install human-theme?
[21:16] <sqwertle> Some_Person: I should clarify, it installed correctly, but I still have the original error.
[21:16] <Some_Person> sqwertle: Oh. Where does this error appear exactly?
[21:16] <sqwertle> Some_Person: Upon typing "codeblocks" in terminal.
[21:20] <ZykoticK9> Some_Person, sqwertle Human theme was removed in Lucid, you'd need a karmic package i'm guessing
[21:21] <Some_Person> ZykoticK9: It's still in the repos
[21:22] <ZykoticK9> Some_Person, ahh thanks - when it disappeared from available themes i'd figured they just removed it entirely.  Good to know it's still available, thanks.
[21:22] <sqwertle> ZykoticK9: Hm?
[21:22] <ZykoticK9> sqwertle, never mind :)
[21:23] <_lemsx1_> finally got everything to work. last one was the openchrome video driver breaks the OQO
[21:23] <_lemsx1_> so, blacklist viafb and use vesa for xserver
[21:23] <_lemsx1_> now i need to open bugs for these problems :-)
[21:24] <Some_Person> Oddly, even though the ubuntulooks engine was completely removed (including from the repos), at least 2 themes in the repos still use it
[21:32] <avar> When I upgraded to 10.04 openoffice was installed even though I'd removed it before upgrading, is this a known issue or does the installer just not respect packages you may have removed in general?
[21:32] <cemc> how do I prevent mysql from starting at boot? how do I disable it in upstart ?
[21:32] <MindVirus> Hello.
[21:32] <MindVirus> I found out what my problem was.
[21:32] <avar> cemc: man update-rc.d
[21:33] <MindVirus> My fstab had things that weren't on my system.
[21:33] <MindVirus> What I don't know is why it caused my system to hang on plymouth indefinitely.
[21:33] <MindVirus> I don't think an invalid fstab should cause locking out of everything I hold dear.
[21:33] <ZykoticK9> avar, i'm guessing OOo is in the ubuntu-desktop meta package and would thus be reinstalled
[21:34] <avar> ZykoticK9: Yeah, it is. I'm just wondering whether the installer shouldn't prune packages from ubuntu-desktop on upgrade that aren't installed when upgrading from an earlier version.
[21:35] <cemc> avar: I was using sysv-rc-conf, but mysql is nowhere in rcX.d with S to start up, but it still starts
[21:35] <avar> Which could be done reliably if the release shipped a list of packages ubuntu-desktop depended on in previous releases
[21:35] <avar> cemc: what does find /etc -iname '*mysql*' look like?
[21:35] <yofel> MindVirus: +1, check if there's a bug filed against mountall, it's responsible for mounting drives in fstab and many services depend on it finishing without error I think
[21:36] <cemc> avar: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/400801/
[21:36] <MindVirus> yofel: Mountall causes lots of issues, no?
[21:37] <avar> cemc: Odd, no idea. It does seem the init system changed in 10.04, at least it whines if I do 'sudo /etc/init.d/* cmd' now
[21:37] <yofel> MindVirus: could be, here it shows nfs mount error cause the network isn't up yet (shouldn't _netdev prevent that?) but continues otherwise
[21:37] <yofel> *errors
[21:38] <avar> cemc: There's service(8) now which still points to update-rc.d..
[21:39] <yofel> avar: there still are a few old sysvinit scripts in /etc/init.d, but the new upstart scripts are (since 9.10) in /etc/init
[21:39] <MindVirus> Why does mountall depend on plymouth?
[21:40] <yofel> update-rc.d is still used for the existing  sys-v-init scripts
[21:40] <avar> I see, I should read about upstart then
[21:41] <Some_Person> I want to know why installing usplash removes gdm
[21:41] <avar> I wonder if it supports user-started programs like osx's launchd..
[21:42] <blackmamba> hey everyone, is anyone having issues with brightness using 10.04 netbook remix ?
[21:43] <yofel> Some_Person: it was made to conflict with usplash so usplash gets properly removed for plymouth (don't ask me why though, can't remember anymore, it's been like that for a while)
[21:43] <cemc> yofel: so, how do I stop mysql from starting at boot?
[21:44] <Some_Person> So why not just make ubuntu-desktop conflict with it?
[21:44] <Some_Person> Or make plymouth conflict with it?
[21:44] <IT_man> use sysv-rc-conf
[21:44] <yofel> Some_Person: like I said, don't ask me, ask in #ubuntu-devel maybe
[21:45] <cemc> IT_man: we've just been through this ;) it doesn't appear in the old /etc/rcX.d/ locations, sysv-rc-conf shows it's disabled
[21:46] <blackmamba> hey everyone, is anyone having issues with brightness using 10.04 netbook remix ?
[21:47] <yofel> cemc: upstart has IMHO grave issues with configurability, iirc the only way to disable it is to edit the start on statement in the mysql init script in /etc/init/ for now
[21:47] <blackmamba> or know how to revert to the working version in 9.10
[21:47] <cemc> yofel: that's what I was afraid of ;) thanks
[21:47] <yofel> there was a rumor about a system service editor, but I'm not sure if that was added or not (I use Kubuntu, not Ubuntu)
[21:48] <cemc> another issue: I have an ecrypted home. it's a major PITA to boot up lucid because of this. It asks for the passphrase once, then it just waits, no error, I don't know what's happening...
[21:48] <BUGabundo> evening
[21:49] <yofel> hey BUGabundo, got your car moving again? ^^
[21:49] <BUGabundo> no
[21:49] <BUGabundo> goes tomorrow to shop
[21:52] <MindVirus> yofel: Found a bug.
[21:52] <MindVirus> yofel: This should be in the topic.
[21:52] <MindVirus> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/545658/
[21:52] <cemc> it seems I can't boot without 'splash quiet' settings. when i remove those I don't see a thing until it gets to the login screen
[21:52] <MindVirus> At least the [SM] is actually a prompt to press S = skip? / M = maintenance part.
[21:53] <MindVirus> yofel: This has caused me so many problems; you have no idea. Stupid stupid interface design.
[21:54] <yofel> MindVirus: did you get the same prompt?
[21:54] <MindVirus> yofel: Basically, except for CDROM.
[21:54] <yofel> MindVirus: please set the bug to confirmed then
[21:54] <yofel> *bug status
[21:56] <dupondje> lol, I just started rythmbox, and it not apearing :)
[21:56] <dupondje> stupid thing :)
[21:57] <yofel> oh, my nfs mount issue is acutally known as bug 504224 :D
[21:57] <Oer> rhytmbox icon right side top ?
[21:57] <yofel> Oer: the icon should be part of the indicator applet (I think)
[21:57] <dupondje> Oer: oh god :) indeed :p
[21:57] <Blue1> yofel: there were some nfs updates in todays updates
[21:58] <dupondje> damn, if you don't know that, you search to death :)
[21:58] <yofel> Blue1: didn't install yet, will look in there later, but this is a bug in mountall
[21:58] <yofel> the shares mount fine... once the network is up
[21:58] <Blue1> yofel: owch!
[21:58] <dupondje> rhytmbox is default player or ?
[21:58] <yofel> and _netdev doesn't seem to do anything
[21:59] <MindVirus> yofel: Can you link me to that bug I just posted?
[22:00] <netbook> LucidLynx menu icons don't show up by default for the system menu... same bug was in Koala
[22:00] <netbook> Of course it was an easy fix in Koala, go to 'Pref.' -> 'Appearance' -> 'Interface' tab -> check 'Show icons in menus'
[22:00] <netbook> there is no 'Interface' tab in Lynx Appearance Preferences'
[22:00] <yofel> MindVirus: you mean bug 545658?
[22:00] <MindVirus> yofel: Yes.
[22:00] <MindVirus> Thanks.
[22:02] <netbook> What is difference between gconftool and gconftool-2
[22:03] <Blue1> netbook: dunno
[22:04] <Blue1> netbook: hmm man gconftool redirects to gconftool2
[22:04] <drbobb> I installed today on a pc using karmic alternate installer, just the CLI preseed, and attempted to upgrade to lucid - didn't work
[22:05] <Blue1> drbobb: i'm not sure why you did it that way...
[22:05] <drbobb> uh, I had the karmic cd with me, and no blanks handy
[22:06] <Blue1> ah --
[22:06] <Blue1> i have found that upgrades usually don't go well, and backup /home/ and /etc/ and then do a fresh install
[22:06] <drbobb> so I figured I'd put up a CLI karmic to avoid wasting time on d/l of packages that would be mostly replaced in the next step
[22:07] <yofel> drbobb: *what* went wrong?
[22:07] <drbobb> some dependency thing
[22:07] <yofel> drbobb: please make sure that there's a bug filed about that, this shouldn't happen
[22:07] <drbobb> btw this procedure is described on ubuntu.com as something that ought to work
[22:08] <Blue1> drbobb: so you install the server version of karmic, then tried to install the gui version of lucid over the top?
[22:08] <drbobb> it was about the new bootsplash framework, what's it called?
[22:08] <yofel> plymouth?
[22:08] <Blue1> drbobb: grub2?
[22:08] <drbobb> plymouth, yeah
[22:09] <netbook> heh gconf-editor is a lot like registry
[22:09] <drbobb> I believe the error message hinted there might be a dependency loop
[22:09] <drbobb> Blue1: almost, except of course the CLI system must be upgraded in between
[22:10] <drbobb> actually that's how I do most installs, except for the version hankypanky
[22:10] <drbobb> 1. CLI from CD 2. apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[22:11] <Blue1> drbobb: odd way to do it....
[22:11] <drbobb> Blue1: think about it, it makes sense if you're on a fast net connection
[22:12] <Blue1> drbobb: i just stick the cd in, answer a few questions, comeback 1/2 hour later - done
[22:12] <drbobb> besides I use LVM so I need to use the textmode installer anyway
[22:12] <Blue1> lvm is the windows thingy?
[22:13] <drbobb> Blue1: not done yet, must upgrade to current versions before you're ready
[22:13] <drbobb> LVM = logical volume manager
[22:13] <Blue1> drbobb: usually what I do, like when I migrated my parents, I just copied their "my documents" folder to a dvd, and then played it back into ubuntu...
[22:14] <drbobb> Blue1: setting up a server or multiuser system takes a bit more work, believe me
[22:14] <Blue1> drbobb: yeah i am not there yet...
[22:14] <enav> what is the meaning of this channel
[22:15] <Blue1> i have multiple systems, but only 1 user - far different
[22:15] <enav> is to fix beta bugs or is simple another support channet
[22:15] <yofel> enav: see /topic
[22:15] <enav> channeñ
[22:16] <yofel> enav: mostly support, we can help you fix bugs for you too, but for bug filing you should go to #ubuntu-bugs and you can find the developers in #ubuntu-devel
[22:16] <enav> thanks
[22:19] <leagris> Hellow, What is the state of SSD trim command support considering it needs kernel&&(ext||jfs||btrfs) support?
[22:19] <DanaG> ureadahead: Error while tracing: no such file or directory
[22:22] <DanaG> no wonder my boot is so slow.
[22:26] <netbook> might switch to xubuntu for this next release
[22:27] <netbook> gnome has become too much of a hassle
[22:27] <netbook> still can't find how to 'show icons in menus' option in gconf editor
[22:28] <histo> netbook: what do you mean show icons in menus?
[22:29] <Blue1> histo: took the words out of my mouth
[22:29] <histo> netbook: the icons are there already you want to disable them?
[22:29] <harisund> I think you can do that without gconf-editor
[22:29] <netbook> No, the icons are not there for the system menu
[22:29] <netbook> LucidLynx menu icons don't show up by default for the system menu... same bug was in Koala
[22:29] <platius> netbook,   I believe I found them in the latest ubuntu-tweak
[22:29] <netbook> Of course it was an easy fix in Koala, go to 'Pref.' -> 'Appearance' -> 'Interface' tab -> check 'Show icons in menus'
[22:29] <netbook> there is no 'Interface' tab in Lynx Appearance Preferences'
[22:30] <Blue1> netbook: nope there isn't
[22:30] <netbook> Yea, my point exactly.
[22:30] <netbook> Tried looking in gconf editor, can't seem to find it there
[22:31] <Full-Polar-Fox> Hello : )))
[22:31] <platius> netbook,   ya, ubuntu-tweak is where I turned the icons on
[22:31] <netbook> pretty lame you need a third party app :(
[22:32] <histo> netbook: how bout desktop/gnome/interface/menus_have_icons  ?
[22:33] <histo> netbook: and there is /schemas/desktop/gnome/interface/menus_have_icons
[22:33] <socket_77> Hmm, the Ubuntu Software Center seems to be missing from my menu after updating today..
[22:33] <netbook> histo yea looking at that now... changing the checkbox doesn't seem to do anything
[22:33] <histo> netbook: you'll prolly ahve to log out and back in
[22:34] <histo> netbook: also youc an search gconf-editor
[22:34] <netbook> heh already ahead of you
[22:34] <histo> I just searched for icons and found those few. But I think The system and places menu are ubuntu specific not gnome.  but I could be wrong.
[22:35] <netbook> My search for icons didn't turn those up... didn't click 'search also' boxes
[22:35] <platius> socket_77,   have you checked the edit menus to see if got unchecked?
[22:35] <netbook> icons still not up for some reason
[22:35] <socket_77> platius: hmm, I didn't uncheck it, but I'll check there, thanks
[22:36] <socket_77> platius: I'm also missing most of the openoffice menu entires as well
[22:36] <jmcantrell> how do i change the grub menu now?
[22:36] <platius> socket_77,   wow
[22:36] <socket_77> platius: yeah
[22:36] <socket_77> weird
[22:37] <cdE|Woozy> netbook: I just checked /desktop/gnome/interface/menus_have_icons and got all the icons, cluttering the menus again ;)
[22:37] <Blue1> jmcantrell: http://pkill-9.com/wordpress/?p=193 ?
[22:37] <CalmvsKhaos> im getting a lot of 404 errors, whats a good mirror? Apperantly the one i was using no longer works
[22:38] <jmcantrell> Blue1: no
[22:38] <Blue1> jmcantrell: ;-(
[22:38] <jmcantrell> i don't want to download a tool to have to edit grub
[22:38] <socket_77> platius: Interesting, after I fired up the Menu Editor, everything's back now.
[22:39] <netbook> Alright, I got it. Wonder why they took out interface menu.
[22:39] <platius> socket_77,   yuk
[22:39] <yofel> CalmvsKhaos: check sofware sources and select the one it recommends you
[22:39] <CalmvsKhaos> yeah im running a test now
[22:39] <CalmvsKhaos> thx
[22:40] <netbook> What are the benefeits of gnome over xfce?
[22:40] <platius> CalmvsKhaos,   osuosl always seems strong
[22:40] <charlie-tca> netbook: simplicity
[22:40] <CalmvsKhaos> platius, where are they located?
[22:41] <bullgard> [grub2, vga16fb] How can I  select a smaller font in my virtual console?
[22:41] <yofel> charlie-tca: wasn't it supposed to be the other way  around?
[22:41] <jmcantrell> i found something strange. if try to boot as normal, it hangs. if i turn off the plymouth splash screen, it boots fine. what could be the problem?
[22:41] <platius> CalmvsKhaos,   oregon state  oopen source labs
[22:41] <bullgard> netbook: Much more help in case of trouble.
[22:41] <charlie-tca> Nope
[22:42] <CalmvsKhaos> oh ok im just a bit south in california that might work thanks platius
[22:42] <charlie-tca> xfce never declared the easiest to do anything, but gnome keeps trying to cut out your options
[22:42] <Pretto> what is the correct package to file a bug about this? http://laudecioliveira.org/blog/?p=230
[22:42] <platius> CalmvsKhaos,   I think linus hangs there
[22:42] <Blue1> well they cut off my cox this week but that was there error
[22:42] <netbook> they be cutting my interface menu now
[22:42] <charlie-tca> It is harder to set xubuntu up, but it works on older equipment
[22:42] <CalmvsKhaos> isnt linus in finland?
[22:42] <jmcantrell> anyone?
[22:42] <CalmvsKhaos> or something
[22:42] <Blue1> their switched digital network is incompatible with my system
[22:43] <maco> CalmvsKhaos: born there, lives in portland, i believe
[22:43] <yofel> ah
[22:43] <charlie-tca> CalmvsKhaos: linus is in portland, ore, usa, I believe
[22:43] <CalmvsKhaos> cool
[22:44] <netbook> Gnome seems to choke when the going gets tough. Even though I had a great machine, if I am copying files over and moving windows, it seems to choke
[22:44] <Blue1> netbook yeah you sound like you're missins some updates - had same problem last wek
[22:45] <netbook> Blue1, I keep up-to-date with Update Manager... I am running ubuntu stock gnome
[22:45] <netbook> Maybe gnome 3 is better
[22:45] <CalmvsKhaos> how to get gnome 3?
[22:46] <netbook> build it yourself, LL won't be running it iirc
[22:46] <Blue1> netbook: yesterday I had to run the update manager 3 times and reboot once to get all the updates - today I had to run updatemanager twice to get all the updates (the reboot was because of a new kernel)
[22:46] <bullgard> Pretto: gnome-session
[22:46] <CalmvsKhaos> ah thats too bad
[22:46] <yofel> gnome-shell is in lucid if someone wants to test it
[22:46] <Pretto> bullgard: thank you
[22:46] <netbook> I updated kernel last week (miss the notification icon as well, sniffle)
[22:47] <netbook> VirtualBox Guest Additions don't work with LL beta
[22:47] <netbook> btw
[22:47] <Blue1> yeah the gnome-typing-monitor icon is missing for me last week it was the speaker icon
[22:48] <netbook> actually lokos like there is a workaround: http://maxolasersquad.blogspot.com/2010/03/ubuntu-1004-lucid-lynx-alpha-in.html
[22:48] <CalmvsKhaos> vmware tools installs automatically with LL :)
[22:48] <Blue1> then to get the sound to work, I have to jiggle the volume control in the speaker, otherwise it crackles really bad.
[22:52] <aboSamoor> any news regarding GMA500 Poulsbo ? it is not working with 10.04 on dell netbook
[22:55] <yofel> aboSamoor: I think there's only the vesa driver for those cards, as there's no driver that works with the lucid kernel and X server
[22:55] <petn-randall> Hi
[22:55] <aboSamoor> yofel, do you think that would be the latest situation for the release ?
[22:57] <yofel> aboSamoor: no idea, news about poulsbo are rare, you could ask in #ubuntu-x if you want to make sure
[22:57] <petn-randall> hi
[22:57] <luderson> Hi!!!! Im using lucy beta 1 - Kubuntu - and Im trying to hide the firefox menu bar... but I dont find the option... is it working???
[22:57] <CalmvsKhaos> Lucy? You mean Lucid?
[22:57] <jmcantrell> i'm unable to manually mount any luks drives with cryptsetup. it asks for the sudo password and immediately exits. any ideas?
[22:58] <rickfosb> aboSamoor, Currently running 10.04 on my net book with same result;  its usable with 4:3 aspect.  I keep scanning the feeds for information...
[22:58] <petn-randall> what do I need to do to so I can upload packages to Ubuntu Lucid?
[22:58] <petn-randall> Is there some kind of mentoring program like in Debian?
[22:58] <luderson> ops, lucid.. sry
[22:59]  * Crashbit to sleep
[23:00] <CalmvsKhaos> Although Lucy sounds better than Lucid, silly names, badgers, lynx's, please no more animal names!!! /rant  :)
[23:01] <CalmvsKhaos> lets leave mac OS have their animal names, tiger, Leopard, Ubuntu is better than that!
[23:05] <Some_Person> Is there any way to hold back a package (i.e. make update-manager ignore it)?
[23:05] <Some_Person> I have the karmic version of one package installed so that tilp works
[23:06] <harisund> I am not sure, but there's something called "apt-pinning" but it's an advanced topic. I am hoping someone can suggest something easier
[23:06] <Some_Person> Having this package makes update-manager always prompt me for a "partial upgrade", probably because lucid's tilp2 has dependency problems
[23:07] <lucian_> i have a qustion about the boot up, lucid wants to always check my drivers for errors on every boot up. is this normal of a bug?
[23:07] <lucian_> drives for error*
[23:07] <lucian_> not drivers, sorry for the typo
[23:08] <yofel> it is indeed possible with apt-pins and aptitude can hold packages too, no idea if update-manager can do tht
[23:08] <yofel> *taht
[23:08] <Some_Person> The actual karmic package is 'libticalcs2-7'
[23:08] <yofel> *that
[23:09] <CalmvsKhaos> i installed kubuntu-desktop updated it, restarted, now i cannot use keyboard to even log in
[23:10] <yofel> that sounds more like an issue with X
[23:10] <CalmvsKhaos> its in vmware though
[23:10] <CalmvsKhaos> should work
[23:10] <lucian_> lucid wants to check my drives for errors on every boot up, is this becuase my partitions(lvm, encrypted) are not being shutdown correctly during shutdown?
[23:11] <CalmvsKhaos> *sigh* guess its back to gnome for meh! :(
[23:12] <yofel> lucian_: if a partition isn't unmounted during shutdown it will be marked unclean which will trigger a fsck on next boot
[23:12] <yofel> won't be marked clean to be more accurate
[23:12] <lucian_> hmmm ok so they're not unmounted correctly
[23:12] <lucian_> is there a way to trace it?
[23:13] <yofel> could be, but I'm no expert on boot/shutdown
[23:13] <lucian_> ok but no one else is having their drives being checked all the time?
[23:14] <yofel> lucian_: there is a bug filed against mountall I think that sounds similiar
[23:14] <CalmvsKhaos> howcome kde --replace isnt working? i just installed KDE
[23:14] <CalmvsKhaos> installed Kubuntu-desktop
[23:15] <yofel> CalmvsKhaos: huh? what are you trying to do?
[23:15] <lucian_> yofel: aw ok, yeah becuase i've got lucid installed on an encrypted lvm so there might some bugs there
[23:15] <CalmvsKhaos> welli cant boot into kde using the login screen so i booted into gnome thinking i could start it using kde or kdm --replace
[23:15] <yofel> CalmvsKhaos: if you want to login to kde go to the login screen and select kde (you can use gdm for that)
[23:16] <Oer> CalmvsKhaos, select KDE @ login.
[23:16] <CalmvsKhaos> i did
[23:16] <CalmvsKhaos> :(
[23:16] <yofel> CalmvsKhaos: the login still fails if you use gdm?
[23:17] <jmcantrell> i'm unable to manually mount any luks drives with cryptsetup. it asks for the sudo password and immediately exits. any ideas?
[23:18] <lucian_> jmcantrell: does it crash if you do a luksDump?
[23:19] <CalmvsKhaos> yeah keyboard not working in login screen
[23:19] <jmcantrell> lucian_: no
[23:19] <lucian_> just on luksOpen?
[23:20] <yofel> CalmvsKhaos: how did you login to gnome then?
[23:20] <jmcantrell> lucian_: yes
[23:20] <DarkTao> good evening
[23:20] <jmcantrell> lucian_: odd though. i can mount the drives through gnome, just not over the command line
[23:21] <lucian_> jmcantrell: hmmm strange i just did a luksopen on an encrypted lvm and it worked
[23:21] <lucian_> what if you reinstall it?
[23:21] <jmcantrell> lucian_: i'll try that.
[23:22] <CalmvsKhaos> yofel, on the kde login screen you can select terminal thats how i got in, but now both the gnome and kde login not working
[23:23] <smerz> h4f, the new look is within a package which is in the repository. Maybe google for that one
[23:23] <smerz> dunno about the package name
[23:23] <h4f> I have upgraded to Beta. Where is the new Gnome Look ? how do I change back pidgin font size. now its to small
[23:24] <smerz> could be a theme too though :)
[23:24] <h4f> smerz:yeap I tried it in karmik. But I told when I will upgrade it will be the default one
[23:25] <smerz> i'm not running lucid. and it doesn't want to run in virtualbox for some reason so I don't know much more than that :)
[23:25] <thon0925> I've been running 10.04 since alpha 3, but recently an update seems to have updated the bootloader from grub-legacy to grub2, which crashes and causes a reboot loop (on RAID 0), how can I revert it back to grub-legacy?
[23:25] <h4f> smerz I guess it doesn't run in virtualbox because of default compiz
[23:26] <yofel> CalmvsKhaos: that still sounds like an issue with X then, or kdm / gdm messing with each other, not sure
[23:26] <lucian_> i dont mean to sound like an rtard but i forgot the command to unmount the lvm group so i can do the luksClose on it
[23:26] <jmcantrell> ok my monitor just went to sleep and now all i have is a black screen with a cursor
[23:27] <CalmvsKhaos> yofel yeah, could be something with vmware
[23:28] <h4f> I don't have sound volume icon any more:(
[23:28] <yofel> thon0925: you could try to mount the system from a live disk, chroot into it and install 'grub', but please remember to file a bug on launchpad against grub2 about your issue
[23:28] <h4f> and there is no applet for doing that
[23:28] <thon0925> I used the super grub disk, so I'm in the system now
[23:29] <DanaG> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-backports-modules-wireless-2.6.32-17-generic_2.6.32-17.999~git20100321.4d950853~xorgedgers_amd64.deb: trying to overwrite '/lib/udev/compat_firmware.sh', which is also in package linux-backports-modules-wireless-2.6.32-16-generic 0
[23:29] <yofel> h4f: the sound icon is part of the indicator applet now
[23:29] <thon0925> looks like the windows system partition got corrupted somehow
[23:29] <h4f>  yofel: hm. just added indicator applet. so how do I change my sound from that ?
[23:30] <yofel> h4f: it should appear there, if not wait for someone else to answer (I use KDE)
[23:31] <h4f>  yofel: how to safely launch new look gnome-shell --replace with root or user privliges ?
[23:31] <francis> hey I receive this when attempting to install todays build via USB - GLIB WARNING ** GLib - getpwuid_r(): failed due to unknown user id (0)
[23:31] <Guest5325> anyone have an idea what I could do or a workaround would be good
[23:31] <yofel> h4f: user I think, gnome shouldn't run as root
[23:31] <h4f> yofel:  the applet itself appease but there is no way to set volume in there
[23:32] <yofel> h4f: maybe pulseaudio isn't running properly? do you get any sound?
[23:32] <h4f> yeap
[23:32] <yofel> hm
[23:33] <lucian_> i jsut realized my system is bugging and it might be due to the unclean shutdown, right now the entire system is read only even to root/sudo
[23:33] <lucian_> that happened yesterday too
[23:33] <lucian_> i cant install anything
[23:33] <lucian_> nor remove
[23:34] <lucian_> it just now triggered apport
[23:37] <cousteau> I find it very annoying the way numeric pads work on laptops, when they're shared with alphanumeric pad: if the num lock is on you can't write the letters UIOJKLM, and if it's off you have to press Fn+Shift+U instead of just Fn+U in order to write a 4
[23:37] <cousteau> so I did a small script that fixes this and packed it in a .deb
[23:39] <cousteau> is there something useful I can do with the .deb? I tried to follow the SponsorshipProcess wiki, but got lost when trying to report a bug
[23:39] <cozziemoto> hey guys...is grub2 absolutely necessary to run plymouth?
[23:39] <yofel> cousteau: if you want to add a package to the ubuntu archive you should ask the MOTU foks in #ubuntu-motu for the process
[23:40] <yofel> *folks
[23:40] <cousteau> k ,thx
[23:40] <lucian_> just filed Bug #546517
[23:40] <lucian_> but its not firestarter, the system became read only
[23:41] <lucian_> gonnd rboot
[23:42] <CalmvsKhaos> how would i start kde? I'm already logged in, startx starts gnome not kde
[23:42] <TecnoBrat> how long did an upgrade from 9.10 take for you guys (minus the download, just the installing bit)
[23:42] <TecnoBrat> curious what I've got myself into, lol
[23:43] <DanaG> cousteau: do you have a bug report for that numlock issue?
[23:43] <cousteau> nope, don't know what package it's related so I can't submit it
[23:43] <TecnoBrat> cousteau: you don't happen to have the option to use the number pad as a mouse enabled do you?
[23:44] <cousteau> TecnoBrat: no, I think I don't
[23:44] <Andre_Gondim> is there any tip to connect ubuntu one?
[23:45] <yofel> TecnoBrat: I don't have it enabled either, and I too have to press Fn+Shift+U
[23:45] <DanaG> same here.
[23:45] <cousteau> the problem is that the numlock is disabled by default; and enabling it (with numlockx, for example) makes the right part of the alphanumeric pad behave as a num pad
[23:45] <TecnoBrat> was just a stab in the dark ... I had that issue on karmic and it drove me nuts until I figured it out
[23:46] <cousteau> this is, with numlock off, Fn+U is a left arrow key, not a 4
[23:46] <yofel> the numpad works fine once I press Fn+NumLk, but that's impractical most of the time
[23:47] <yofel> indeed o.O
[23:47] <charlie-tca> Andre_Gondim: not really, should be just install ubuntuone-client packages
[23:47] <charlie-tca> It runs in the background in lucid
[23:47] <CalmvsKhaos> how come nautilus is no longer the default File manager?
[23:47] <yofel> CalmvsKhaos: it should be in gnome
[23:47] <Blue1> CalmvsKhaos: they changed it to?
[23:47] <charlie-tca> It isn't?
[23:47] <CalmvsKhaos> pcman
[23:47] <lucian_> just discovered another bug: when lucid does an fcheck on any of the drives, it reboots after the percentage is complete
[23:47] <TecnoBrat> well the option I'm talking about is barried in the accessibility prefs on karmic ... I don't have lucid installed yet (working on it) :)
[23:48] <lucian_> at least on my system
[23:48] <CalmvsKhaos> on 9.10 mine changed to pcman
[23:48] <yofel> lucian_: if it had to fix fs errors it might need to reboot
[23:48] <h4f>  is there a way to place minimised and close buttons where they where ?
[23:48] <h4f>  what was the reason to place them in left corner ?
[23:48] <TecnoBrat> and I can't type
[23:48] <Blue1> CalmvsKhaos: mine has always defualted to nautilus --
[23:48] <Blue1> h4f: hellifino
[23:48] <cousteau> yofel: that's what I mean, with my script you don't need to enable the num lock , it re-maps e.g. KP_Left to KP_4
[23:49] <lucian_> its constantly wanting to check all the drives for errors on every boot up and sometimes the system goes into read only too
[23:49] <CalmvsKhaos> yeah mine has too until a couple days ago Blue1
[23:49] <yofel> h4f: you can, for the reason: there is one, and there's a huge discussion/flame war going on about it
[23:49] <Blue1> CalmvsKhaos: 32 or 64 bit system?
[23:49] <h4f> Blue1:  what about  hellifino ?
[23:49] <Blue1> h4f: hell if I know
[23:50] <h4f>  yofel:  where can I read pros and cons?
[23:50] <charlie-tca> h4f: http://blog.daviey.com/blogroll/anything-but-the-buttons.html
[23:50] <h4f> charlie-tca: thanks
[23:50] <CalmvsKhaos> blue1 64 bit
[23:50] <yofel> h4f: bug 532633
[23:51] <yofel> h4f: see the bug descriptions for 2 workarounds
[23:51] <yofel> -s
[23:51] <TecnoBrat> cousteau: what does Shift+Numlock do?
[23:51] <cousteau> TecnoBrat: enable the numlock, which can be really annoying if you want to write letters shared with the num pad
[23:52] <yofel> TecnoBrat: here, paste. (as NumLk is the same button as Insert)
[23:52] <cousteau> UIOJKLM
[23:52] <h4f> yofel:  Well I am not sure yet if I want to place them back. If I will find out that there is a good reason for them to be in the left corner
[23:52] <cousteau> oh, Shift+Numlock? no idea
[23:52] <TecnoBrat> cousteau: I mean .. does that fix your issue, try it
[23:53] <TecnoBrat> cause that disables / enables changing 4 into a -> etc
[23:53] <TecnoBrat> err 4 into a <-
[23:53] <yofel> nope, pressing shift+numlk is paste here, and I still have to press fn-shift-u for a 4
[23:54] <cousteau> TecnoBrat: nice, now I know how to enable the "control mouse with numpad" feature. It has absolutely nothing to do with my problem.
[23:54] <DarkTao> not sure if this is possible, but can you assign a keyboard key in GNOME to act like the CD eject key on a mac keyboard?
[23:54] <cousteau> when I say left arrow key, I mean left arrow key, as in you're writing and the keyboard cursor moves one character to the left
[23:55] <cousteau> not as if you move the mouse
[23:56] <cousteau> next time I'll use 0/Insert as an example
[23:56] <cousteau> or 1/End


 Any link for this group?
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[05:52] <lazerlemon> how can I copy a local file to another laptops HDD
[05:53] <lazerlemon> the other laptop is using windows fucken 10
[05:53] <lazerlemon> on the same LAN
[05:54] <diogenes_> lazerlemon, quickest way is by usb drive, via land use samba share
[05:55] <diogenes_> lan*
[16:46] <sappheiros> i often cannot watch videos on Reddit with 18.10. any ideas what i should do (apart from buying new computer)?
[16:48] <sappheiros> updating 11 packages now from the muon package manager
[16:49] <sappheiros> basically the video just stays on the first frame and the progress bar proceeds but the video doesn't move beyond the first frame
[16:50] <sappheiros> https://www.reddit.com/r/HumanTippyTaps/comments/aalkuj/the_moment_she_realized_i_was_about_to_propose/?st=jq9pbjvg&sh=09fa0bc3 is an example
[16:50] <sappheiros> even if i change it to 240p the video won't play beyond the first frame
[16:50] <sappheiros> (i.e. the 'preview' still image)
[16:51] <sappheiros> ... then it cut to the final few frames
 In which browser? Problem is that there is no hw (gpu) acceleration in Linux browser at this time, cpu must do everything. If you could get the video url you could run it in Vlc (which has hw acceleration)