[00:07] <shtylman> cjwatson: lets say I have a package which depends on other packages (not unheard of I hear :) ... and lets say that the packages I depend on like to ask annoying questions? during their install ... but my package provides configuration files so those questions are irrelevant... can I supress them with my package during the install?
[00:08] <cjwatson> nope
[00:08] <shtylman> ;(
[00:09] <cjwatson> debconf questions are usually asked by .config scripts, which are way early on, before any packages are even unpacked
[00:09] <shtylman> I see
[00:09] <cjwatson> you'll need to work with the relevant package maintainers to improve things somehow
[00:09] <cjwatson> or preseed things in a non-packaged way
[00:10] <shtylman> k
[00:38] <CIA-3> partman-base: cjwatson * r186 ubuntu/debian/ (changelog control): Build against parted 2.2.
[00:41] <CIA-3> partman-base: cjwatson * r187 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 138ubuntu2
[00:46] <CIA-3> partconf: cjwatson * r837 ubuntu/debian/ (changelog control): Build against parted 2.2.
[00:47] <CIA-3> partconf: cjwatson * r838 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.32ubuntu2
[00:49] <StevenK> cjwatson: You'll do the -15 -> -16 update for d-i, or shall I?
[00:51] <cody-somerville> What involved there?
[00:51] <cody-somerville> *Whats
[00:51] <cjwatson> StevenK: I can do it now
[00:52] <cjwatson> cody-somerville: sed over some files in build/config/, and a seed change
[00:56] <CIA-3> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1254 ubuntu/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Move to 2.6.32-16 kernels.
[00:58] <CIA-3> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1255 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20081029ubuntu89
[00:58] <superm1> i've been curious, how come you have always explicitly had to change that in the seeds?  is it not possible to just seed the meta and let the meta handle grabbing the newest?
[00:59] <cjwatson> no it isn't, but I'm too tired to explain properly :)
[01:00] <cjwatson> basically metapackages aren't applicable in this position
[01:00] <superm1> okay :)
[01:00] <cjwatson> think udebs
[01:00] <superm1> it just seems so tedious to have to always be updating, so that's a shame
[01:00] <cjwatson> it's trivial :)
[01:00] <cjwatson> there are like a million more tedious things ahead of that one
[02:47] <CIA-3> usb-creator: superm1 * r273 usb-creator/ (debian/changelog usbcreator/frontends/gtk/frontend.py):
[02:47] <CIA-3> usb-creator: * Don't force select a source unless the list is empty.
[02:47] <CIA-3> usb-creator: * Reverse the order of the populating ISOs and command line option --iso
[02:47] <CIA-3> usb-creator:  again so that --iso always trumps others.
[02:47] <CIA-3> usb-creator: * Hide the source_vbox again when --iso is used.
[06:54] <Anzenketh> Hi all working on the bug day For ubiquity is there anything that you would like me to put in special notes besides what is already there?
[09:31] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3900 ubiquity/ (7 files in 5 dirs): Merge with Roman's Kubuntu branch.
[09:44] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3901 ubiquity/debian/changelog: Add a changelog entry on behalf of Roman.
[09:46] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3902 ubiquity/debian/ (5 files):
[09:46] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Remove the intro plugin. It's now presented as part of the language
[09:46] <CIA-3> ubiquity: page when the greeter option (-g) is selected.
[10:19] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3903 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/components/ubi-language.py):
[10:19] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Support setting the language for the live environment from the
[10:19] <CIA-3> ubiquity: language page in greeter mode by finishing localechooser when 'Try
[10:19] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Ubuntu' is clicked.
[10:29] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3904 ubiquity/ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py: Add missing ui reference.
[10:29] <ev> pychecker saves the day again
[10:41] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3905 ubiquity/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
[10:41] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Fix missing references in the noninteractive portion of the
[10:41] <CIA-3> ubiquity: usersetup plugin.
[11:05] <CIA-3> grub-installer: cjwatson * r841 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog grub-installer): Fix partition offset handling for GRUB Legacy.
[11:24] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3906 ubiquity/ubiquity/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[11:24] <CIA-3> ubiquity: * Fix incorrect reference in KDE greeter code.
[11:24] <CIA-3> ubiquity: * Fix missing reference to the progress title in the GTK+ partman progress
[11:24] <CIA-3> ubiquity:  bar handling.
[11:24] <CIA-3> ubiquity: * Removed dead code from the noninteractive frontend.
[11:28] <ev> cjwatson: do you have any more changes to grub-installer in the pipe?  I'd like to release a new ubiquity and respin the CDs.
[11:29] <cjwatson> no, uploading now
[11:30] <CIA-3> grub-installer: cjwatson * r842 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.49ubuntu6
[11:31] <michaelforrest1> cjwatson: can't see the new branding on that boot splash screen in the installer yet - did it go in?
[11:32] <cjwatson> days ago ...
[11:32]  * cjwatson rsyncs to check but I'm pretty certain it was there last I looked
[11:33] <cjwatson> you sure you're checking a daily, not alpha-3?
[11:36] <ev> cjwatson: thanks!
[11:38] <michaelforrest1> cjwatson: I'm on the daily-live image yes
[11:39] <michaelforrest1> it's got the first version I sent you, but I sent you that new stuff on Thursday after the brand rollout with the new logo and glowy icons
[11:39] <michaelforrest1> on purple
[11:40] <michaelforrest1> sorry: "aubergine"
[11:44] <cjwatson> michaelforrest1: oh, was that the mail subject "boot image" with no body?
[11:44] <michaelforrest1> quite probably
[11:44] <cjwatson> no, that's got the old logo on black
[11:44] <cjwatson> michaelforrest1: I do not have this stuff from you
[11:45] <michaelforrest1> cjwatson: The email is called "New Brand for Boot Screen"
[11:45] <michaelforrest1> you replied to it
[11:45] <cjwatson> and I integrated the image from the followup you sent me to that
[11:45] <cjwatson> the 640x350 one
[11:46] <cjwatson> or at least I certainly thought I did
[11:46] <michaelforrest1> so it's supposed to look like this: http://assets.grimaceworks.com/boot_experience_640_wide.png
[11:47] <michaelforrest1> but when I look at the daily build, it still looks like this: http://assets.grimaceworks.com/boot-screen.png
[11:47] <cjwatson> right, that's what I thought I'd done.  I must have made some trivial mistake in the build scripts
[11:47] <cjwatson> thanks, I'll fix that
[11:47] <michaelforrest1> ok cool.
[11:47] <michaelforrest1> thanks
[11:47] <cjwatson> I probably just forgot to switch over the image filename or something
[11:48] <cjwatson> hmm, or the .png file is getting used rather than the .pcx.  I wonder why!
[12:16] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3907 ubiquity/debian/real-po/ (81 files): debconf-updatepo
[13:11] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3908 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog debian/control):
[13:11] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: bterm-unifont
[13:11] <CIA-3> ubiquity: 1.1build1, flash-kernel 2.13ubuntu14, grub-installer 1.49ubuntu6,
[13:11] <CIA-3> ubiquity: migration-assistant 0.6.4build1, partconf 1.32ubuntu2, partman-base
[13:11] <CIA-3> ubiquity: 138ubuntu2.
[13:31] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3909 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.1.33
[13:44] <cjwatson> michaelforrest1: ha!  I bet it would have helped if I'd run 'bzr pull' on the machine that does the CD builds. ;-)
[13:45] <michaelforrest1> cjwatson: :)
[14:15] <cjwatson> michaelforrest1: can you please tell me how I can reproduce this problem about boot option text being missing, and there just being "live", "install", etc. instead?
[14:16] <michaelforrest1> we ran the installer from yesterday's daily
[14:16] <michaelforrest1> cjwatson: so I guess you should see it that way
[14:16] <cjwatson> sorry, can you please be more specific
[14:16] <cjwatson> what exactly did you do
[14:17] <michaelforrest1> put in the usb key and pressed a key during boot
[14:17] <cjwatson> and where exactly did you see this text?
[14:17] <michaelforrest1> in the gfxboot screen
[14:17] <cjwatson> you see, I tried this with today's daily, but there have been no relevant changes since yesterday
[14:17] <cjwatson> so obviously you and I are doing something different
[14:17] <cjwatson> perhaps it's specific to the use of USB keys?
[14:17] <michaelforrest1> this was Mark and Iain
[14:18] <cjwatson> what I am trying to do is turn this into an actual bug report
[14:18] <michaelforrest1> can you try TheDoctor ?
[14:18] <cjwatson> since it's clearly just a bug
[14:18] <cjwatson> ok
[14:18] <michaelforrest1> I came into the session late
[14:43] <ev> cjwatson: I suspect it might be a usb-creator bug
[14:43] <ev> that kind of thing happened the last time configuration files were moved around in isolinux
[14:44] <cjwatson> yeah, it seems possible doesn't it.  It does seem to copy all of the isolinux directory though?
[14:44] <ev> it does, but then it mucks with it
[14:44] <ev> to add try-usb and such
[14:44] <ev> and that's generally where things burst into flames
[14:44] <cjwatson> the other obvious possibility is gfxboot-theme-ubuntu failing to find stuff under /syslinux/, but the filenames aren't complicated or anything
[14:45] <ev> indeed
[15:03] <shtylman> ev: the kubuntu branch got merged... I was under the impression it was waiting on me to add the changelog entries and take out the stale code?
[15:05] <ev> shtylman: I added changelog entries on your behalf.  I wanted to get an upload in as we're quickly approaching beta freeze.
[15:05] <ev> by all means take out the stale code from trunk
[15:05] <shtylman> ev: noted :)
[15:05]  * ev postoffice
[15:50] <michaelforrest1> ev: any idea why dd is so damn slow??
[15:51] <ev> michaelforrest1: ...it isn't?
[15:52] <ev> keep in mind you're writing to a USB disk.  Not exactly the fastest write speeds on the planet.
[15:52] <michaelforrest1> yeah but I'm talking like 2k/s
[15:52] <michaelforrest1> I have it set to bs=4096
[15:52] <michaelforrest1> it's crazy slow
[15:52] <ev> I was just going to ask
[15:52] <ev> bs=1M is what usb-creator uses
[15:53] <michaelforrest1> which would be bs=1024 right?
[15:53] <michaelforrest1> how long does usb-creator take?
[15:55] <ev> no, 1024 would be 1K
[15:55] <ev> michaelforrest1: I don't time it from fear of knowing the answer to that question
[15:56] <michaelforrest1> oh dear.
[15:57] <persia> Note that for fastest write, you'll want to get information about the geometry of the flash in the USB drive, and set bs to match the flash eraseblock size (or an integer multiple thereof).
[15:58] <cjwatson> I think the kernel exposes that through /sys now ...
[15:58] <persia> bs=1M usually works because most drives have 2K or 4K eraseblocks.
[15:58] <ev> ooo
[17:36] <michaelforrest> ev: does some special magic have to happen to make a boot loader?
[17:36] <michaelforrest> is it even possible to do this usb key with just dd ??
[17:47] <CIA-3> ubiquity: superm1 * r3910 ubiquity/ (bin/oem-config-firstboot debian/changelog): Remove extraneous '--', restoring oem-config-firstboot.
[17:49] <CIA-3> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3911 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/base.py): Add not_me to the base interface definition of Controller.translate.
[18:47] <mcasadevall> Can someone who is more experienced at reading udeb logs explain why the ia64 image failed to build (failed to find udebs)
[18:47] <mcasadevall> alternate image that is
[19:21] <cr3> in the ubiquity success command script, I tried calling in-target update-grub and chroot /target update-grub but this didn't seem to have worked based on the content of /proc/cmdline
[20:47] <cr3> ev: if I modify /target/etc/default/grub in ubiquity/success_command, can I call update-grub directly or should I call the grub-installer script from ubiquity?
[22:07] <exlt> is there an update planned soon for the lucid network installer?  it is currently broken.. :(  kernel-image-2.6.32-16-generic-di etc were released to the archive, and a current netbooting client cannot find a kernel or modules..
[22:08] <cjwatson> exlt: I did that update last night
[22:09] <exlt> right - 20081029ubuntu88 is 2.6.32-14
[22:09] <cjwatson> cr3: I would advise calling update-grub directly
[22:09] <cjwatson> so use 20081029ubuntu89 :-)
[22:10] <exlt> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/main/installer-amd64/ shows 88
[22:10] <cr3> cjwatson: the problem was that I wasn't mount --binding lots of directories, seems to work now
[22:10] <exlt> have a location to pull from?
[22:10] <cjwatson> I assume it failed to build or something
[22:10] <cjwatson> there is no location more primary than that
[22:11] <cjwatson> NCommander: which log?  in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntu/lucid/ports_daily-live-20100309.log, ia64 succeeded
[22:11] <cjwatson> that's odd, the amd64 build succeeded ...
[22:12] <cjwatson> not amd64-specific either, it's missing on all architectures!
[22:13]  * cjwatson pokes around on the master archive machine
[22:13] <cjwatson> 2010-03-09 20:04:26 ERROR   Queue item ignored: Tarfile /tmp/tmpToUskw/debian-installer-images_20081029ubuntu89_i386.tar.gz has a file ./ which is illegal
[22:13] <cjwatson> for.  god's.  sake.
[22:14] <cjwatson> exlt: thanks, this is a regression in Launchpad which I am bringing up with its developers
[22:15] <exlt> sweet - I have data center techs holding for me  ;)
[22:17] <cjwatson> exlt: err, tell them to hang up
[22:17] <cjwatson> exlt: this probably isn't going to be resolved tonight, but hopefully within a day or so
[22:18] <exlt> not on the phone - just trying to install servers and wondering if I could fix
[22:18] <exlt> would be killer to not purge all the older kernel versions
[22:19] <cjwatson> we don't
[22:19] <cjwatson> somebody got trigger-happy about *this* one evidently, but it *is* a manual process
[22:19] <cjwatson> StevenK: it's usually you :-)
[22:19] <exlt> ah, the packages are there, but pruned from repository, so not "findable" by a client machine
[22:20] <cjwatson> err, no
[22:20] <cjwatson> the way it's supposed to work is that the old kernel is not removed from the repository until the installer has been updated
[22:20] <cjwatson> but removal is a manual process, so this is vulnerable to human error
[22:20] <exlt> hmm..
[22:29] <mcasadevall> cjwatson: alternate builds, live builds successed AFAIK
[22:30] <cjwatson> mcasadevall: but that's the URL I'm looking at - URL to the log you're looking at, please?
[22:30] <cjwatson> oh
[22:30]  * cjwatson can't read apparently!
[22:31] <cjwatson> mcasadevall: ok, that's the soyuz bug discussed a moment ago with exlt
[22:32] <cjwatson> I uploaded a d-i for the new kernel ABI, but it never got published
[22:32] <mcasadevall> cjwatson: but the kernel ABI in the log and whats on LP agree with each other
[22:33] <cjwatson> but the kernel ABI of the debian-installer binaries currently published does not
[22:33]  * NCommander seems to have nic issues
[22:33] <NCommander> cjwatson: ah, so the problem will fix itself once LP is fixed?
[22:33] <cjwatson> yes
[22:33] <cjwatson> well, I might have to reupload d-i, but that's OK
[22:33]  * NCommander is going to attempt to bend ia64 images back into working order, and may take another whack at SPARC
[22:34] <cjwatson> and actually, the kernel ABI in the log does not agree with the kernel ABI in the archive
[22:34] <cjwatson> the log says 2.6.32-14, but the archive has 2.6.32-16
[22:36]  * NCommander guesses he can't read either


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[03:55] <Unit193> Logan: Lots of work upstream in Debian, should make dropbear sync'able.
[07:23] <Logan> Unit193: hmm, unconvinced that everything's there


[10:52] <cjwatson> stgraber: . (lxcfs)
[11:20] <LocutusOfBorg1> can anybody please unblock virtualbox/precise?
[11:20] <LocutusOfBorg1> I'm getting new bug reports daily for this issue
[11:53] <mlankhorst> ping for lts-utopic?
[11:53] <mlankhorst> anyone?
[15:42] <apw> yo, could someone stroke the vivid-proposed kernel through new for us please
[16:05] <arges> infinity: bug 1398975. I can verify the fix for utopic, but since trusty doesn't seem to exhibit the same problem I can't easily 'verify' the fix. but i can verify it doesn't break things.
[16:06] <arges> infinity: i think its a defensive patch anyway and shouldn't harm trusty. applying it would be nice in case there are other setups that may trigger the right pthread program and thus crash the kernel on a microcode update
[16:07] <arges> (or segfault programs)
[17:11] <ogra_> i disabled the s-i importer since we need to do a coordinated build for touch
[17:49] <infinity> arges: trusty doesn't (or shouldn't) exhibit the problem because it's not configure with lock elision turned on.  But that doesn't make the code less correct, so if the patch is identical on U and T, and it works on U, I'll call that verified enough.
[17:55] <tseliot> infinity: are you around?
[17:55] <arges> infinity: ack thanks
[17:55] <infinity> tseliot: Somewhat.
[17:56] <tseliot> infinity: my core dev account expired while I was on holiday. Do you know what I have to do to reactivate it?
[17:57] <ogra_> you have to prove consistent contribution over 6 months and then show up at a core-dev meeting :P
[17:58] <ogra_> (nah, indeed not ... :) )
[17:58] <ogra_> iirc you need to ping the DMB to get it enabled again
[17:58] <ogra_> (and stop having holidays while LP teams expire on you)
[17:59] <tseliot> ogra_: the latter sounds like a great idea :P
[17:59] <infinity> stgraber: Can you fix it for him?
[18:06] <stgraber> sure
[18:07] <stgraber> tseliot: renewed
[18:07] <tseliot> stgraber: thanks a lot
[18:07] <tseliot> infinity: thanks
[18:08]  * tseliot goes back to breaking Vivid... :P
[18:16] <ogra_> system-image importer enabled again ...


[08:42] <sitter> seems the trello thread got stuck
[08:42] <Tm_T> nice
[08:42] <sitter> now if someone could have told me in january I might even had a chance to figure out why :P
[08:45] <valorie> wowzers
[08:45] <valorie> incredible work, kubotu
[08:57] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:01] <sitter> the IO wait on git.debian is quite simply obscene
[09:01] <sitter> kubotu: order coffee
[09:01]  * kubotu slides a cup of steamy hot coffee down the bar to sitter.
[11:45] <ovidiu-florin> kubotu: order black tea
[11:45]  * kubotu slides black tea down the bar to ovidiu-florin
[11:45] <ovidiu-florin> kubotu: order acid rain
[11:45]  * kubotu slides acid rain down the bar to ovidiu-florin
[11:45] <ovidiu-florin> :))
[11:46] <ovidiu-florin> kubotu: time
[11:46] <kubotu> I don't know where you are, use ~time set <Continent>/<City> to let me know
[11:46] <ovidiu-florin> kubotu: ~time Europe/Bucharest
[11:46] <ovidiu-florin> kubotu: time
[11:46] <kubotu> I don't know where you are, use ~time set <Continent>/<City> to let me know
[11:46] <ovidiu-florin> sitter: how do I use this?
[11:48] <soee> good morning
[11:50] <sitter> ovidiu-florin: no clue
[11:50] <sitter> kubotu: time
[11:50] <kubotu> I don't know where you are, use ~time set <Continent>/<City> to let me know
[11:50] <sitter> kubotu: time set Europe/Vienna
[11:50] <kubotu> Ok, I'll remember that sitter is on the Europe/Vienna time zone
[11:50] <sitter> very pointless plugin
[11:50] <ovidiu-florin> kubotu: time set Europe/Bucharest
[11:50] <kubotu> Ok, I'll remember that ovidiu-florin is on the Europe/Bucharest time zone
[11:51] <ovidiu-florin> kubotu: time
[11:51] <kubotu> Europe - Bucharest - Thu Mar 05 13:51 EET
[11:51] <ovidiu-florin> EET?
[11:51] <sitter> eastern european time?
[11:52] <Riddell> hola
[12:25] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:30] <yofel> time
[12:30] <yofel> kubotu: time
[12:30] <kubotu> I don't know where you are, use ~time set <Continent>/<City> to let me know
[12:30] <yofel> hmpf
[12:39] <soee> hmm, where should be reported bugs aganst sddm theme ?
[13:20] <soee> someone please confirm and comment https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344867 ?
[13:33] <Riddell> hi KDDA
[13:33] <KDDA> hi Riddell
[13:35] <Riddell> KDDA: want to become an elite kubuntu packager?
[13:36] <KDDA> is that the title of an ebook?
[13:37] <Riddell> Become an international freedom fighter in 10 easy steps!
[13:37] <KDDA> is there a guide somewhere?
[13:38] <KDDA> in very simple, step by step
[13:39] <KDDA> what is the roadmap for Kubuntu, it seems to be starting to move away from Ubuntu?
[13:42] <Riddell> KDDA: alas there's no simple guide to packaging, http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/ has some stuff but I advise ignoring the chapters on UDD (ubuntu distributed development) we don't tend to do that
[13:43] <Riddell> the roadmap is just our todo list https://trello.com/kubuntu
[13:43] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit did say he'd do a packaging guide but nothing yet
[13:43] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Hi
[13:43] <Riddell> KDDA: but I or others can give you a tutorial if you like
[13:43] <Sick_Rimmit> Yes that's true I did say that, I was going to work on it with sgclark
[13:44] <Sick_Rimmit> I have been intermittent on my packaging foo,
[13:44] <Sick_Rimmit> still got Calligra to finish...
[13:44] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: that's updated now
[13:45] <Riddell> took bloody ages that one :(
[13:45] <yofel> IIRC there were a bunch of packaging bugs reported against calligra lately, maybe look at those
[13:45] <Sick_Rimmit> Ah this is the problem, I run out of time and then when I get some more time, it's been done..
[13:45] <Sick_Rimmit> I am not complaining though,
[13:46] <Sick_Rimmit> Just wish I could dedicate my time a bit more consistently, but family, jobs, kids,
[13:46] <KDDA> to package properly, wouldnt I need coding knowledge, to fix bugs?
[13:46] <yofel> I meant fixing packaging bugs
[13:46] <Sick_Rimmit> KDDA: No I don't think you need that
[13:47] <yofel> and yeah, you'll need to know how to do that, but that's usually small things and thus not too complicated to explain
[13:50] <KDDA> Can I add new programs/app into the main repros?
[13:50] <yofel> not yourself, but you can package one and request sponsorship
[13:51] <soee> what applications version do we have in vivid ?
[13:51] <yofel> right now, 14.12.2
[13:52] <soee> what about KDE Aplicaciones 14.12.3 ?
[13:52] <yofel> dunno
[13:52] <KDDA> Id like to add Tilemill
[13:52] <soee> ;)
[13:52] <yofel> :P
[13:52] <yofel> KDDA: last I looked, there was a PPA for it, maybe check if you can clean that packaging up for the archive
[13:53] <KDDA> there is, but not updated
[13:53] <soee> sgclark: do ypu plan to work on 14.12.3 ?
[13:54] <Riddell> tilemill is here but only for trusty https://launchpad.net/~osgeolive/+archive/ubuntu/nightly/+index?batch=75&memo=75&start=75
[13:54] <KDDA> http://ppa.launchpad.net/developmentseed/mapbox/ubuntu/dists/
[13:54] <Riddell> KDDA: so yes you could update that if you feel it's useful
[13:59] <Riddell> qt also needs a security patch added
[13:59] <KDDA> do I need to install a tool-chain?
[14:01] <Riddell> KDDA: for which?
[14:01] <Riddell> just run  debuild  to build a package
[14:02] <Riddell> apt-get source kolf; cd kolf-<tab>; debuild
[14:02] <Riddell> for example
[14:02] <yofel> you'll want to have devscripts and ubuntu-dev-tools installed
[14:04] <Riddell> plasma 5.2.1 removed from topic
[14:09] <KDDA> installing the dev tools
[14:10] <KDDA> Riddell: where is it best working from?
[14:10] <KDDA> do I need a workspace?
[14:11] <KDDA> or just under ~
[14:13] <Riddell> KDDA: I have ~/src/<package>/
[14:14] <KDDA> ok I have a folder called kolf-14.12.2 and some simularly named files
[14:15] <KDDA> debuild fails
[14:16] <KDDA> Unmet build dependencies: cmake debhelper (>= 9) kde-sc-dev-latest (>= 4:4.12) kdelibs5-dev libkdegames-dev (>= 4:14.12.2) pkg-kde-tools (>= 0.14)
[14:16] <Riddell> yep, that's the stuff you need to apt install to get it to build
[14:16] <Riddell> but look at what the source packgae is (the .orig, .debian.tar and .dsc) and look in debian/ directory
[14:16] <KDDA> would I be better doing it in a VM?
[14:17] <KDDA> what is .cpp file?
[14:17] <KDDA> c  code?
[14:17] <KDDA> oh c++
[14:18] <Riddell> KDDA: not really, a VM is going to be slower
[14:18] <Riddell> like most KDE software it's c++ using Qt
[14:18] <KDDA> ah
[14:19] <Riddell> oh and pro tip,  debuild -jX where X is your number of processor cores (see /proc/cpuinfo) makes it go X times as fast
[14:19] <KDDA> C++ is OOP?
[14:19] <Riddell> yep
[14:19] <Riddell> but it's stupidly messy as a language
[14:19] <KDDA> I used to be able to program in C
[14:19] <Riddell> it's based on C which is pretty low level and it adds a lot of stuff
[14:19] <KDDA> but that was a long time ago!
[14:20] <Riddell> fortunately Qt library makes it much easier to program in than most other libraries
[14:20] <Riddell> which is why KDE software is the best platform out there, because it's based on Qt
[14:21] <KDDA> so C++ is like if Java and C had a love child?
[14:21] <Riddell> pretty much
[14:21] <Riddell> Java was designed to be like c++ but not as messy
[14:22] <Riddell> and importantly with a standard library that would make using it easy
[14:22] <KDDA> I can usually figure Java out
[14:22] <Riddell> oh also java has a built in build system while c++ has none
[14:23] <Riddell> in KDE we solve that by using cmake which is pretty nice
[14:23] <KDDA> I see
[14:23] <Riddell> in university I learn about programming languages, but it's equally important to know about libraries and build systems as well other other tools
[14:24] <KDDA> so what is an actual package, like bytecode?
[14:24] <KDDA> the result of building the project?
[14:24] <Riddell> KDDA: yes
[14:24] <Riddell> which with c++ is machine code binaries
[14:24] <Riddell> also data files like icons
[14:25] <KDDA> so apt-get installs those as binaries and phsyical files on the OS?
[14:26] <Riddell> yeo
[14:26] <Riddell> yep
[14:27] <Riddell> it downloads the .deb binary packages which is what you're building with  debuild
[14:27] <Riddell> and those .debs are just tars (or ars) with some meta data of the binaries and data files
[14:28]  * Riddell adds kdeconnect-plasma to seed
[14:28] <soee> ;o
[14:28] <KDDA> Riddell: is it working again?!?
[14:29] <Riddell> pings work for me
[14:29] <KDDA> is it int the archive?
[14:29] <Riddell> compiling away https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeconnect-plasma/0.0+git20150302-0ubuntu1
[14:30] <KDDA> do you compile it on your box, or on launchpad?
[14:30] <BluesKaj> strictly for androids, right
[14:31] <KDDA> BluesKaj: I believe so, was developed via GSOC
[14:31] <BluesKaj> KDDA, ok thanks
[14:31] <Riddell> KDDA: I compile it on my box to update the packaging and test it, when I compile it in pbuilder which is a script on my computer to compile it in an isolated system to test it all compiles, then I uploaded to my PPA on launchpad to test there, then when I'm happy with that i uploaded to launchpad for ubuntu
[14:32] <KDDA> Riddell: is Kubuntu in GSOC 2105?
[14:32] <KDDA> 2015
[14:33] <Riddell> KDDA: KDE is and I submitted a proposal to update the ubiquity installer in kubuntu
[14:33] <Riddell> dunno if it'll get chosen
[14:33] <KDDA> ah I found KDE ideas
[14:34] <KDDA> Riddell: its there
[14:34] <KDDA> https://community.kde.org/GSoC/2015/Ideas#Project:_Port_Ubiquity_to_Qt_5
[14:34] <KDDA> and you are the mentor :)
[14:51] <KDDA> Riddell: nice one :)
[14:51] <KDDA> kdeconnect is working again!
[14:52] <Riddell> awooga
[14:54] <KDDA> in the old version there was a menu item in dolpin to send a file to phone, but doesnt seem to be there with this version, is that a bug?
[14:55]  * soee testting kdeconnect
[14:55] <Riddell> it still has /usr/share/kservices5/kdeconnectsendfile.desktop  I think it just needs dolphin for kf5
[14:57] <KDDA> is the current version of dolphin still on 4?
[14:59] <soee> confirmed :) works cool, super fast paring, i can switch my radio statins and move cursor + type on keyboard
[14:59] <KDDA> soee: can you send a file to mobile from dolphin?
[14:59] <soee> let me check
[15:00] <soee> KDDA: seems like i can't open teh device from Dolphin
[15:00] <KDDA> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/vivid/amd64/tilemill  Does this mean someone has approved tilemill to be in the Archive?
[15:00] <KDDA> just nothing published yet?
[15:03] <Riddell> KDDA: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tilemill  it means there's no tilemill in ubuntu, launchpad only knows about it because of packages in PPAs
[15:03] <Riddell> KDDA: yes dolphin is still kdelibs4
[15:04] <Riddell> there's an ongoing discussion about including the frameworks port of dolphin in applications 15.08 in which case I think we could look at including it in vivid
[15:14] <Riddell> sitter: new frameworks repo you may like to CI, kde-extras/kdeconnect-plasma
[15:44] <sitter> Riddell: guess I'll pretend I am not perplexed by the fact that the repo doesn't have the same name as the upstream repo...
[15:45] <sitter> and you didn't wrapsort
[15:45] <sitter> read the mail I sent...
[15:47]  * Riddell has 188 unread e-mails to read :(
[15:47] <Riddell> kdeconnect-kde gets released as kdeconnect-kde and kdeconnect-plasma
[15:49] <sitter> jesus
[15:50] <sitter> http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_unstable_kdeconnect-plasma/2/consoleFull
[15:50] <sitter> should be integrating assuming the build suceeds
[15:56] <mparillo> soee: I confirmed KDE Bug 344867. Since I could not find an 'also affects me' selection on bugs.kde.org like launchpad, I just added a comment.
[16:03] <soee> any idea why dvd rom does not work for me ?
[16:22] <sgclark> soee: sorry seems my kubuntu-devel tab got moved outta site in konversation :( thought it was aweful quite. Riddell said to ignore 4.14.3. Riddell did that change? I do recall it failing mierably with our scripts.
[16:24] <sgclark> Sick_Rimmit: ah yes the tutorial.. unfortunately my kde jenkins is in the process of going live, I do not see alot of extra time in the near future :(
[16:32] <yofel> sgclark: not 4.14.3, 14.12.3
[16:32] <yofel> (up since saturday)
[16:34] <sgclark> yofel: ahhh
[16:34] <sgclark> if no one else is working on it, sure I can
[16:34] <Riddell> it's up for grabs :)
[16:35] <sgclark> Riddell: ok, on it
[16:35] <Riddell> remember to merge in kubuntu_stable branches first
[16:35] <sgclark> Riddell: ah yes right, thanks
[16:36] <sgclark> sounds like a job for a bashy scripty type thing
[16:40] <Riddell> sgclark: it should just be added to kubuntu-initial-upload
[16:40] <Riddell> it's just one git command
[16:41] <sgclark> Riddell: k
[17:03] <shadeslayer> whoop whoop
[17:03] <shadeslayer> Announce: Vivid will switch to booting with systemd next Monday, brace for impact
[17:03] <shadeslayer> pitti ftw
[17:04] <Riddell> we could do with someone testing that first
[17:06] <yofel> systemd runs fine for about 2 months here already
[17:06] <yofel> the only thing I ever had problems with was sddm when we had the systemd support enabled
[17:07] <yofel> er... disabled ofc
[18:52] <soee> mparillo: thanks
[18:57] <soee> someone has 2 min to check one thing ?
[19:07] <mparillo> soee: Check what?
[19:10] <soee> mparillo: if we take a screenshot and click on the button "Send to" it take some time to load the list with availabel items
[19:11] <mparillo> Using krunner to invoke ksnapshot?
[19:13] <mparillo> Pretty much immediate for me.
[19:13] <mparillo> Running in a modest VM.
[19:14] <mparillo> Options returned are Firefox, Gwenview, Okular, and Other Application ...
[19:14] <mparillo> Funny that Firefox is the first option...I used System Settings to make rekonq my preferred browser and konversation respects that.
[19:18] <yofel> soee: takes about a second to load with kipi-plugins installed
[19:19] <KDDA> so to repackage from KF4 > 5 just means rebuilding?
[19:19] <soee> for me it taked like 6-10 seconds
[19:19] <soee> *takes
[19:20] <yofel> in strace it looks like ksnapshot is making a bazillion lookups for icon files o.O
[19:20] <soee> though i have liek 30 items here
[19:20] <soee> yofel: might it be some bug ?
[19:21] <yofel> no idea. The number of device checks is also a bit excessive
[19:22] <yofel> it's not like it's *stuck* somewhere, it's just slow / a lot
[19:23] <soee> ksnapshot is part of plasma ?
[19:23] <KDDA> soee: appears to be
[19:23] <yofel> it's an application
[19:23] <KDDA> PrtScr key launches it for me
[19:31] <soee> yofel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqG5BU-euGY
[19:32] <ahoneybun> hey guy and gals I tried to install Beta 1 and I had a problem with partman
[19:34] <mparillo> soee: Your list is much longer than mine. Also, more and more youtube vids now play in rekonq!
[19:34] <soee> mparillo: i have no idea where this list comes from :D
[19:36] <yofel> "kipi-plugins" add some 2 dozen entries there
[19:37] <soee> i asked on #plasma and one user said it works fine for him
[19:37] <soee> anyway even with 30 items it shoudlnt take more than 0.5 sec to load it imo
[19:38] <yofel> soee: open konsole, run 'strace ksnapshot', then check if it freezes at some point during loading
[19:38] <soee> yofel: check #plasma i have ther some input
[19:39] <soee> ok so we know it is kipi plugins
[19:39] <yofel> yeah, I'll agree with d__ed, same happens here - I just have a quad core with SSD so it's "just" a second
[19:40] <soee> so should i leave it like that or write some bug report for kipi plugins ?
[19:41] <yofel> not sure how that's a bug in kipi-plugins...
[19:42] <soee> well than i think ill remove kipi plugins
[19:43] <soee> Riddell: i have posted small info about kdeconnect https://plus.google.com/110954078302330754910/posts/CoXFfa8dkpW
[19:43] <yofel> maybe splitting those up in popular/not-so-p ones would be good, but that should be done in debian
[19:48] <ahoneybun> hey yofel
[19:48] <soee> what is the freenode chan for QT stuff ?
[19:49] <soee> id like to ask about this bug https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-40207
[19:50] <d__ed> #qt cleverly
[19:51] <yofel> hey ahoneybun
[19:51] <ahoneybun> yofel, I had a problem with partman in beta 1
[19:51] <soee> hmm, there is some  bug in muon, when we install updates we cant search for package again
[19:51] <ahoneybun> I think it had to do with UEFI
[19:52] <yofel> 2 things I'm really not familiar with, sorry :/
[19:52] <ahoneybun> yofel, think I'll try again and grab the log for a bug report
[19:52] <yofel> anyway, what happened?
[19:52] <yofel> yeah, that would be great
[19:52] <ahoneybun> it was under /var/syslog/
[19:52] <ahoneybun> something like that
[19:53] <yofel> should be /var/log/syslog, we're not on systemd yet ^^
[19:53] <ahoneybun> yofel, it was asking if I want to use the UEFI
[19:53] <ahoneybun> and I said yes then something went wrong with partman
[19:53] <ahoneybun> yofel, I'll be back with the report
[19:53] <ahoneybun> or at least the log
[19:53] <yofel> grr. I can't really help there because I don't have an UEFI machine
[19:54] <soee> yofel: wihout kipi-plugins the list loads without any dealay
[19:54] <yofel> unsurprisingly ^^
[19:58] <d__ed> is it an acceptable time for me to look triumphant and knowledgeable.
[19:58] <soee> ;]
[20:07] <ahoneybun> yofel, grabbed 2 screenshots and the full log
[20:10] <ahoneybun> file the report against the installer right?
[20:10] <yofel> why just screenshots?
[20:10] <yofel> er
[20:10] <yofel> nvm, I'm tired
[20:10] <yofel> yes, file it against ubiquity please
[20:16] <ahoneybun> k
[20:16] <ahoneybun> yofel, I have the log too
[20:17] <yofel> apport *should* add the log itself, but do check that after the bug is filed and add the screenshots
[20:17] <yofel> (apport will do that if you file the bug from the machine that this happened on)
[20:17] <yofel> s/machine/live system
[20:18] <ahoneybun> yofel, is there a version on LP for Kubuntu or just file it against the core package?
[20:18] <yofel> if you file it from the kubuntu live session it'll automatically get tagged kubuntu
[20:18] <ahoneybun> ubiquity-frontend-kde?
[20:19] <yofel> no, just use ubiquity
[20:19] <yofel> partman is rather core stuff
[20:19] <ahoneybun> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity?
[20:19] <yofel> yes, just run 'ubuntu-bug ubiquity'
[20:20] <yofel> ahoneybun: and really try to do that from the live session after it happened. That'll produce the best possible bug information
[20:20] <ahoneybun> ok I'll just back into the image
[20:21] <yofel> thanks :)
[20:21] <ahoneybun> np :)
[22:33] <ahoneybun> yofel: sorry for the delay: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1428877
[22:46] <ahoneybun> yofel, ping


[03:04] <fang0654> Anyone know of any way of automatically updating tripwire when security updates are installed, or of a better means of checking that no system files are tampered with automatically?
[03:05] <fang0654> nevermind, looks like debsums will do what I need
[04:42] <BaldFat> I have samba working on my server for printer but no file shares show
[08:51] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #1076277 in rrdtool (main) "package rrdcached 1.4.7-1 failed to install: le sous-processus script post-installation installé a retourné une erreur de sortie d'état 139" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1076277
[08:55] <danieljs> Hello. I'm trying to install Phantomjs 1.7 on Ubuntu 11.04 x64. the hosting is mediatemple. I get "segmentation fault". Anyone can help? thank you.
[09:10] <TheLordOfTime> danieljs:  you know 11.04 is end of life right?
[09:21] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #1076286 in puppet (main) "Puppet agent not correcly configuring facts synch'd from master" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1076286
[09:25] <cjs> I did an install of a server from the Ubuntu alternate install disc with two mds: /boot and LVM container, and a root and swap inside the LVM container. However, when I try to boot that disk, it just hangs with a blank screen (apparently before or around the very start of grub). Any thoughts on what's wrong?
[09:25] <cjs> (And yes, I'm going to re-do the install from the server disk. Brain fart.)
[09:36] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #1076290 in cobbler (universe) "cobbler-web throws 500 internal server error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1076290
[10:56] <danieljs> Hello. I'm trying to install Phantomjs 1.7 on Ubuntu 11.04 x64. the hosting is mediatemple. I get "segmentation fault". Anyone can help? thank you.
[10:57] <danieljs> I can't install a newer version of ubuntu on mediatemple...
[10:59] <gucki> good morning
[10:59] <gucki> I'm using latest ubuntu quantal server and have a serious kvm memory problem.
[11:00] <gucki> A kvm guest i started with -m 2048 (so 2048 of ram) is actually taking 2700 (res) and 4700 (virt) as seen by top or ps on the host...?! :-(
[11:00] <gucki> how can i debug and fix this? :-)
[11:01] <cjs> gucki: That may not be a problem.
[11:02] <gucki> cjs: why not? the guest is consuming much more resources than it should?
[11:02] <cjs> gucki: Possibly not. Let me just check my guests.
[11:03] <cjs> gucki: Though I am on an 8.04 system here.
[11:04] <cjs> gucki: Ok, so my guests set up for 1572864 bytes of memory have a VSS of 1787264 and RSSs ranging from 612600 to 788200
[11:04] <cjs> Oh, wait, one has a VSS of 1818048.
[11:05] <koolhead17> here i am , this is me!!
[11:05] <gucki> cjs: mh, so a little overhead but not that much as on my system...
[11:06] <cjs> gucki: I'm guessing that my RSS is considerably less than allocated because I rebooted yesterday and these VMs don't do much (and in particular, don't use much memory).
[11:07] <cjs> But remember, with all memory in use, you'd expect RSS (when you're not paging to swap) to be the size of the memory allocated to the VM *plus* whatever KVM is using for its own code, data, etc.
[11:08] <cjs> And VSS may not all be memory that's actually in use. I believe that VSS represents all mapped pages, regardless of whether they've ever been backed by disk or physical RAM.
[11:08] <cjs> So, you might be able to work out what's going on by looking at your total RAM+swap in use, and figuring out how much larger that is than the memory allocated to the guests.
[11:09] <cjs> (Oh, yeah, RSS may also represent shared pages, if I recall correctly. So four VMs would share the pages holding the KVM code that they're running.)
[11:17] <gucki> cjs: yes, so i'd expect an rss of 2048mb + a few megs (not 700!) for kvm..
[11:18] <gucki> cjs: guess i'll write to the kvm mailinglist..
[11:27] <cjs> gucki: Yeah, I guess 700 MB is a bit much.
[11:27] <cjs> gucki: But as I said, take a look at total memory usage of your system and see if there's hundreds of megs not account for there, too.
[11:28] <Daviey> koolhead17: Have you met evilnickveitch ?
[11:28] <Daviey> koolhead17: evilnickveitch is the evilest, bestest doc king in the world (second to you ofc.).
[11:28] <koolhead17> hello evilnickveitch :)
[11:29] <evilnickveitch> ah! koolhead17 , yes, we have conversed briefly!
[11:29] <Daviey> koolhead17: he might be able to help you drive the docs you were talking to me about.
[11:29] <koolhead17> Daviey: we exchanged email
[11:29] <koolhead17> thanks Daviey :)
[11:29] <koolhead17> hello evilnickveitch again!!  :D
[11:43] <cjs> So when my 12.04 amd64 server install boots, I get a grub menu, and things seem to work ok if I do a rescue boot. But if I do a non-rescue boot, I end up with a blank screen. (The monitor's still getting a signal, but there's no text or anything else.) Ctrl-Alt-F1 through F8 don't bring up anything, either. Ideas?
[12:17] <cjs> Anybody here know how I change the option to abort or continue a boot when the RAID is broken?
[12:22] <xnox> cjs: dpkg-reconfigure mdadm
[12:23] <xnox> should offer to answer boot-degraded question.
[12:23] <xnox> or you can set boot option to boot-degraded.
[12:23] <xnox> rebuild initramfs.
[12:31] <ironm> Hello. I run buntu-server 12.04 based KVM host. I am not sure if it is my wrong configuration or a kvm networking issue. Both  <interface type='direct'> and <interface type='bridge'> *don't* work. Only  <interface type='network'> works as expected. Config files including description of the test environment are at http://rsync.it-infrastrukturen.org/.kvm/ and in this file: http://rsync.it-infrastrukturen.org/.kvm/README-kvm-networking-
[12:31] <ironm> issues.txt
[12:32] <ironm> http://rsync.it-infrastrukturen.org/.kvm/README-kvm-networking-issues.txt
[12:32] <RoyK> xnox: ut should be *default* to boot degraded!
[12:32] <RoyK> !bug 1059541
[12:32] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 1059541 in initramfs-tools "Change default behavoir to boot degraded RAID" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1059541
[12:33] <ironm> Is there any possibility to run KVM in debug mode or other ubuntu specific trace possibilities? Thank you in advance for any hints.
[12:33] <xnox> RoyK: the decision was from before my time. At the time there was a divide between: never boot system if it's known to not have assumed reliability vs always boot even if degraded.
[12:34] <patdk-lap> heh, every hardware raid I have ever worked with, boots degraded
[12:38] <cjs> xnox: Thanks!
[12:42] <a_ok> I'm using lsyncd, but the ubuntu package only contains an old fashioned init script. how do I make it start on boot?
[12:43] <RoyK> xnox: I'm not blaming you, just saying that RAID is pretty useless if a server fails to boot with a single dead drive
[12:45] <a_ok> RoyK: depends on why you are using it. If you are going for speed for example RAID can make quite a difference
[12:46] <patdk-lap> heh?
[12:46] <patdk-lap> a raid with one disk bad, working, is faster than a raid with one disk bad that won't boot
[12:46] <cjs> xnox: Actually, dpkg-reconfigure mdadm didn't seem to do the trick, because it didn't add bootdegraded=true to my linux line in the grub config.
[12:47] <xnox> cjs: did you run update-initramfs ?
[12:47] <cjs> xnox: (Or at least, that's what I'm told on boot.)
[12:47] <RoyK> a_ok: it's no point in checking if a disk is missing - if you can mount it, mount it - if you can't, it'll throw you into single anyway
[12:47] <cjs> xnox: I thought that dpkg-reconfigure did that for me.
[12:47] <xnox> cjs: there are two interfaces one is a fine in the initramfs and the other one is linux-kernel boot option.
[12:48] <a_ok> patdk-lap: mmm guess I budded in a conversation without having all the background info sorry.
[12:48] <xnox> cjs: can you unpack initramfs and check? Instructions here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Initramfs
[12:48] <cjs> So I need either one, but not both? I.e., my system should work without the bootdegraded=true, so long as other things are set?
[12:49] <cjs> xnox: Ah, I just tried the reconfigure again, and it printed, afterwards: "update-initramfs: deferring update (trigger activated)".
[12:49]  * RoyK guesses Dell has hired high school kids cheaply to develop their iDRAC software
[12:49] <cjs> xnox: I use "update-initramfs -u"?
[12:52] <cjs> xnox: yeah, update-initramfs -u did it. Thanks.
[12:58] <otfrom> 'lo all
[13:01] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #1076353 in nova (main) "nova [-] Could not find driver for connection_type None" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1076353
[13:04] <caribou> smoser: thanks for the Merge on recordfailtimeout for Oneiric
[13:04] <caribou> smoser: anything else that is required ? You mentioned something about not being marked Merged
[13:05] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #1076306 in openssh (main) "Upgrading of OpenSSH on 10.04 LTS" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1076306
[13:30] <BaldFat_> I have Samba serving printer fine but not files. Nothing in my samba logs and my smb.conf looks standard. What tools can I use to trace down my issue?
[13:39] <smoser> caribou, you must have requested merge review from some group, and i'm not in that group, so i couldn't mark the thing as "merged" . maybe you can.
[13:39] <caribou> smoser: lemme check...
[13:40] <caribou> smoser: if you meant the "Status" field switched to Merged, looks like I just did, so yes I can
[13:42] <caribou> smoser: anything else needed so it get uploaded to -proposed ?
[13:42] <caribou> (thought I think you mentioned that it had already been done)
[13:43] <smoser> caribou, i thought i uploaded. did i not?
[13:44] <caribou> smoser: maybe you did, but I thought it had to be flagged as Merged for the upload to happen
[13:44]  * caribou is still getting familiarized with the whole SRU proces
[13:48] <smoser> caribou, its interesting...
[13:48] <smoser> ubuntu distributed development has different levesls of acceptance.
[13:49] <smoser> in the end, the archive is definitive.
[13:51] <caribou> smoser: ok, just got your email. That's what I thought
[13:51] <caribou> smoser: just that I went to look at the SRU request queue and did not see anything related to grub2
[13:51] <smoser> i just sent you an email. http://paste.ubuntu.com/1342560/
[13:51] <smoser> (for anyone playing along at home)
[13:54] <caribou> smoser: is the process different for packages in Universe (which is the case for grub2) ?
[13:54] <smoser> grub2 is not in universe.
[13:55] <smoser> but it is no different for packages that are.
[13:57] <Daviey> tyhicks: Hey, are you looking to merge acpid? :)
[13:59] <Mez> 3
[14:08] <Aison> it looks like some service on my server is blocked by ufw
[14:08] <Aison> fileserv kernel: [876531.112366] [UFW BLOCK] IN=bond0.10 OUT= MAC= SRC=<IP_ADDRESS> DST=<IP_ADDRESS> LEN=131 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=34570 DPT=34570 LEN=111
[14:08] <Aison> this is logged on my server
[14:08] <Aison> and the source is my server, destination some multicast address
[14:28] <patdk-wk> aison, and your question?
[14:30] <Aison> patdk-wk, oh yes :P well, why is something blocked coming from the same machine?
[14:31] <Aison> it is sent by <IP_ADDRESS> and received bei <IP_ADDRESS>?!?
[14:31] <patdk-wk> cause that is not *coming* from your machine
[14:31] <patdk-wk> IN=bond0.10 OUT=
[14:31] <patdk-wk> so it came IN bond0.10 and to you
[14:31] <Aison> but src is <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:31] <Aison> hmm
[14:32] <patdk-wk> you have never heard of address spoofing, or more than one machine configured with the same ip?
[14:32] <Aison> and I read the logs on <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:32] <Aison> patdk-wk, it is just a small testing network
[14:32] <Aison> there is by sure no other machine with same ip
[14:32] <patdk-wk> if it was going OUT from your machine it would say
[14:32] <patdk-wk> IN= OUT=bond0.10
[14:33] <patdk-wk> but it's multicast, it might be looping your outgoing packet back in to you
[14:33] <patdk-wk> I'm not sure on the rules about that
[14:34] <Aison> yes, that's what I think also, but then I wounder what application on <IP_ADDRESS> creates this multicast packet
[16:25] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #1076442 in nova (main) "nova-novncproxy has a missing dep on websockify" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1076442
[16:27] <SirScott> mdadm --device --scan is giving me an ARRAY of '/dev/md/0' and not '/dev/md0'.  Is that really what I want in my mdadm.conf?
[16:29] <xnox> SirScott: sure, it's valid name.
[16:29] <xnox> SirScott: read the manpages. It could be that you have a partinionable md device.
[16:29] <SirScott> xnox: thanks, don't know why i didn't bother noticing it in /dev/md/
[16:39] <SpamapS> Sirthe question is, why doyou want an mdadm.conf ?
[16:39] <SpamapS> doh
[16:39] <SpamapS> I hate when they leave
[16:40] <xnox> SpamapS: that was what I was thinking as well... but hey it was easier to answer the question that was asked =)
[17:04] <tyhicks> Daviey: Hey - I'll take a look at the merge today
[17:10] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #1076464 in logwatch (main) "unmatched entries for gnome-screensaver" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1076464
[17:14] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #1076461 in logwatch (main) "unmatched entries for smartd" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1076461
[17:31] <Daviey> tyhicks: thanks!
[17:44] <tempspace> Has anybody run into any issues with Ubuntu Server and the Intel Xeon SandyBridge E E5-4650
[17:59] <zul> hallyn: im going to upload libvirt 1.0.0 if you have any objections
[18:12] <NotLarry> I did a reboot -n on ubuntu 11.04 server this morning and now I get "ALERT! /dev/mapper/MachineName-root does not exist" and a busybox, initramfs prompt.  Raid array, which checks out at boot.  Nothing strange has happened (i applied not updates or installs) and the system had already rebooted twice today.  Can someone point me to what is going on?  No encrypted drives  or directories.  and ls /dev/mapper/ shows a link to ../d
[18:14] <sarnold> NotLarry: cut off at "../d"
[18:15] <NotLarry> ../dm-0, which seems to exist
[18:16] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #1076489 in php5 (main) "Cannot be uninstalled without installing Apache2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1076489
[18:25] <Daviey> jamespage: ceph ftbfs in precise, expected
[18:25] <Daviey> ?
[18:26] <Daviey> jamespage: armel, armhf still building
[18:27] <ironm> hello. Please allow me one question. Is it possible to bring during the boot "unused" eth interfaces up? (without giving them an IP address)?
[18:27] <ironm> I run ubuntu-server 12.04.1 LTS
[18:28] <ironm> I have in iterfaces like:
[18:28] <ironm> auto eth1
[18:28] <ironm> iface eth1 inet manual
[18:30] <zul> Daviey: i think its a build ordering issue for ceph
[18:31] <Daviey> zul: took 1 hour, 38 minutes, 0.1 seconds
[18:31] <Daviey> sadly i can't tell you the milliseconds, which are vital
[18:31] <zul> heh
[18:39] <NotLarry> thanks all, after about the 4th reboot it came up
[18:48] <jamespage> Daviey, it may be fussy about leveldb
[18:49] <jamespage> infact it is - I remember now
[19:03] <cornfeed> is there a way to tell apt to make sure installs fresh copies of all the config/init/default files again?
[19:03] <cornfeed> for a certain package?
[19:05] <escott> cornfeed, http://serverfault.com/questions/82801/linux-how-to-restore-config-file-using-apt-get-aptitude
[19:05] <cornfeed> fancy, good find, thanks!
[19:07] <cornfeed> hmm didnt work
[19:07] <cornfeed> brb
[19:24] <cornfeed> wow, i ended up having to extract it manually
[19:55] <BaldFat_> cornfeed: apt-get purge <package> then apt-get install <package>
[19:55] <cornfeed> yep didnt work either
[19:55] <sarnold> really?
[19:55] <BaldFat_> purge should get rid of everything. What package may I ask?
[19:55] <sarnold> I've never seen that one fail; though you're not always in a position to be able to _use_ it...
[19:55] <cornfeed> couldnt make this stuff up
[19:56] <cornfeed> yeah the weirdest thing is the file it was complaining about didnt even exist
[19:56] <BaldFat_> cornfeed: fact is stranger then fiction
[19:56] <cornfeed> inspircd
[19:56] <escott> BaldFat_, purge doesnt forget config modifications for some reason
[19:56] <BaldFat_> so this is a package and not something you built?|
[19:57] <cornfeed> i have compiled it manually, then that didnt work so i removed all the files I had in place, rebooted, and tryed installing through apt, which resulted in that error
[19:57] <cornfeed> correct
[19:57] <cornfeed> built, removed (entirely), then did apt
[19:57] <BaldFat_> purge should and I swear it has before but who knows. I really find apt and aptitude as not the best (DUCKS) I love zypper for the last 5 years it has been great for me and the one server tht uses it.
[19:58] <cornfeed> yeah, apt leaves alot to be desired
[19:58] <cornfeed> i like gentoo's portage soooo much
[19:58] <escott> cornfeed, something like --force-confnew should work for you
[19:58] <BaldFat_> cornfeed: yeah that makes sense then. I hate building stuff because you have to manually look at the sh and figure out what got sent where. PC-BSD and Mac has the solution but no one will ever do it in Linux I am afraid
[19:58] <escott> or a purge followed by a --force-confmiss
[19:59] <BaldFat_> cornfeed: Google says they use Ubuntu mainly because apt and aptitude is MUCH better then yum and zypper :P
[19:59] <cornfeed> lol
[20:00] <cornfeed> linux and opinions
[20:00] <cornfeed> a source of endless hilarity and argument
[20:01] <BaldFat_> make it so much more fun. We can fight among ourselves for decades instead of the OS wars
[20:01] <BaldFat_> also VIM
[20:01] <cornfeed> lol
[20:02] <BaldFat_> the newer people aka the last 2 years or so have no idea the rpm vs deb and vim vs everything wars were. That's a good thing.
[20:04] <BaldFat_> cornfeed: This seems like a solution: dpkg -i --force-confmiss <package>
[20:10] <cornfeed> tried that too
[20:10] <cornfeed> no luck
[20:11] <zul> hallyn: ping
[20:24] <escott> i think the force confmiss only forces the installation of missing config files. so you would have to remove the file in question first
[20:35] <cornfeed> okay, so this leads to another question. who do I contact to get a package updated?
[21:24] <autif> I have hit this bug while customizing an installation. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debootstrap/+bug/1001131
[21:24] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 1001131 in debootstrap "debootstrap fails to install customized Ubuntu" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[21:25] <autif> I was hoping someone could point me to how to go about repackaging debootstarp from a deb file
[21:25] <autif> into a udeb
[21:31] <Daviey> dave@voodoo:~$ curl http://libvirt.org/news.html 2>/dev/null | grep "Chuck Short"
[21:31] <Daviey>       ARMHF: implement /proc/cpuinfo parsing (Chuck Short),

[21:31] <Daviey>       ARMHF: CPU Support for armhf. (Chuck Short),

[21:31] <Daviey> woot!
[21:31] <zul> whee!
[21:32] <jamespage> nice one zul!
[21:32] <jamespage> zul, are you or hallyn planning a libvirt upload for raring anytime soon?
[21:33] <zul> jamespage: im sitting on one right now but i have to talk to hallyn first probably monday
[21:34] <jamespage> zul, any chance you could enable the rados pool support?  I think it just needs a bd on librbd-dev
[21:34] <zul> jamespage: it runs win28k just fine :) sure..
[21:34] <jamespage> zul, lo
[21:34] <jamespage> l
[21:34] <jamespage> can't type
[21:34] <zul> too much karaoke
[21:46] <tboat> hey all! I'm currently trying to configure OpenVPN on my 12.04 server, and I get the following server when attemting to create ssl authentications: ./easy-rsa/build-ca: 8: ./easy-rsa/build-ca: ./pkitool: not found
[21:51] <tboat> or does anyone have a link to a good OpenVPN setup guide?
[21:54] <sarnold> tboat: looks like pkitools is packaged in /usr/share/doc/openvpn/examples/easy-rsa/2.0/pkitool in the openvpn package
[21:56] <tboat> yes, and it i moved it to the openvpn/easy-rsa folder, where i am running the build-ca command
[21:57] <tboat> so it is there, but doesn't pick it up
[21:59] <sarnold> it is perhaps not executable in a documentation directory :)
[22:03] <tboat> i copied it from the doc directory to /etc/openvpn
[22:06] <tboat> had to edit /vars, got it figured out :)
[22:07] <ironm> hello. Is there any other possibility on ubuntu-server 12.04.1 LTS for interface bondind (teaming/aggregation) than using ifenslave ?
[22:08] <Daviey> zul: can you triage bug 1076442 pls
[22:08] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 1076442 in nova "nova-novncproxy has a missing dep on websockify" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1076442
[22:09] <Daviey> bug 1052677 , bug 1073289 , bug 1073275
[22:09] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 1052677 in horizon "Error when clicking on OpenStack logo" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1052677
[22:09] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 1073289 in nova "nova-common has an incorrect dep on python-nova (= 2012.1-0ubuntu2)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1073289
[22:09] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 1073275 in python-glanceclient "python-glanceclient has a bad version dep on python-prettytable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1073275
[22:18] <AaronHome> Hello.  I have an Ubuntu10 server that has its one ethernet port config'd in /etc/network/interfaces as "eth0". I've built a new Ubuntu12 server on another disk, attached to another machine.  Now time to swap.
[22:19] <AaronHome> But the old Ubu10 bug, with the new Ubu12 disk in it boots ok, but inisist on 'talking' to the ethernet port that used to be "eth0" as "eth2".
[22:19] <AaronHome> I've no idea why, but would _like_ to keep it as, or change it back to, "eth0".
[22:20] <AaronHome> Can I do that somehow?
[22:22] <erichammond> smoser, utlemming: http://cloud.ubuntu.com/ami/ is showing the AMI id for the old<PHONE_NUMBER>77/ubuntu/images/ebs/ubuntu-precise-12.04-amd64-server-20120424 instead of the newer<PHONE_NUMBER>77/ubuntu/images/ebs/ubuntu-precise-12.04-amd64-server-20121026.1
[22:22] <smoser> erichammond, unfortunately thats a known issue.
[22:22] <lifeless> AaronHome: you have udev rules that are pinning the new boxes ethernet ports as eth0/eth1
[22:23] <erichammond> smoser: It came up here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/214431/
[22:25] <AaronHome> lifeless: Those are autogenerated then?  _I_ never created them intentionally/manually.
[22:25] <lifeless> yes
[22:29] <AaronHome> lifeless: Found it (/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules) Changed it.  Thanks.
[22:30] <lifeless> no probs
[23:06] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #1076656 in mysql-5.5 (main) "mysql --ssl-capath option doesn't work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1076656
[23:39] <joren> Is there a recommended way to setup an apt cache/proxy server these days? What's the best tool to use for that?
[23:40] <patdk-lap> apt-get install apt-cache-ng
[23:40] <lifeless> apt-get install squid-deb-proxy
[23:41] <patdk-lap> I always have issues using squid to cache apt repo's
[23:41] <joren> k, thank you both
[23:41] <joren> I'll use the ng thing, I think that's what I was looking for
[23:42] <patdk-lap> then for existing systems, you need to add someting like:
[23:42] <patdk-lap> Acquire::http::Proxy "http://xxxx:3142";
[23:42] <patdk-lap> into /etc/apt/apt.conf
[23:42] <joren> cool
[23:42] <joren> easy enough
[23:42] <joren> would be easier if puppet was everywhere :P
[23:43] <patdk-lap> heh, I do it at system install, so not bad
[23:43] <patdk-lap> and use different dns overrides for local or general internet caches
[23:43] <joren> cool, ya, I'll have to add it to my preseed
[23:43] <joren> local mirror is long over due
[23:43] <joren> er local cache
[23:43] <jcastro_> just put the same cache server in your preseed
[23:43] <bananapie> I installed fail2ban, it doesn't work because I don't accept passwords on ssh.
[23:44] <jcastro_> and after the first installation you'll be good
[23:45] <joren> well, *seems* to work
[23:46] <joren> I guess the really test will come later on
[23:46] <joren> real, rather
[23:49] <joren> bananapie, http://serverfault.com/questions/248376/fail2ban-bans-me-after-a-series-of-successful-logins <- perhaps?
[23:50] <joren> though, you probably don't need fail2ban on ssh if you only allow ssh keys.
[23:50] <bananapie> joren: Nice :D
[23:50] <bananapie> I stopped using passwords years ago.
[23:50] <patdk-lap> joren, still need it :(
[23:51] <patdk-lap> I have had people dos a t1 line, doing ssh attempts
[23:51] <joren> I guess if you only have 1.5mbit, then ya :P
[23:51] <patdk-lap> so just to keep bandwidth under control :)
[23:51] <joren> and ya, I guess it's still useful
[23:52] <bananapie> How can I simulate ssh hacking on my server ?
[23:52] <bananapie> I did for i in `seq 1 50` ; do ssh serverip; done;
[23:53] <bananapie> But it didn't ban me
[23:53] <bananapie> I didn't even see anything in the logs :(
[23:53] <joren> oh, if it's *not* banning you, that server fault thing probably wouldn't do it
[23:54] <beeg98> I would just use ssh randomuser@myserver
[23:54] <joren> his for thing shoulda done it
[23:56] <joren> bananapie, nothing shows up in /var/log/authlog ?
[23:59] <bananapie> dat's right
[23:59] <bananapie> nothing shows up in auth.log, even though I see the traffic with ngrep