[12:10] <jende> Digital_Pioneer: which Kubuntu?Dapper?
[12:10] <Digital_Pioneer> jende, Yeah, Dapper Drake, it calls itself.
[12:11] <Hawkwind> dvayanu: It wouldn't work here til I put it in the mozilla-firefox directory
[12:11] <Digital_Pioneer> fdoving, Mine (just downloaded) came with 3.5.2.
[12:11] <archangel_> fdoving: 3.5.2
[12:11] <jende> Digital_Pioneer: your card should work out of the box
[12:11] <Digital_Pioneer> jende, There's a Linux driver for it? How do you know what it is?...
[12:12] <dvayanu> hawkwind: but mozilla-firefox is linked to firefox...
[12:12] <dvayanu> at leat on my system
[12:12] <jende> Digital_Pioneer: usually the driver refers to your chipset
[12:12] <fdoving> archangel_: hmm.. then i'm not sure.
[12:12] <dvayanu> hawkwind: i have an error on start too: http://rafb.net/paste/results/3k1tmP86.html
[12:12] <Hawkwind> !baddevice > dvayanu
[12:12] <jende> Digital_Pioneer: type in a console lspci
[12:13] <Digital_Pioneer> jende: One sec.
[12:13] <jende> Digital_Pioneer: if you're not sure what device listed in the output of lspci your wlan card is pastebin the lot
[12:13] <jende> !pastebin
[12:13] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:13] <Digital_Pioneer> jende, I see something about Texas Instruments ACX 111
[12:13] <fdoving> jende: another acx :)
[12:14] <jende> fdoving: yep...
[12:14] <jende> fdoving: we're having probs I guess with madwifi
[12:14] <Digital_Pioneer> jende, I would guess it's the TI ACX 111#*Chipset.
[12:14] <Digital_Pioneer> ;)
[12:14] <fdoving> Digital_Pioneer: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/acx111
[12:15] <dvayanu> hawkwind: ok, gonna read and try that... i'm happy that my config is working at all with a rc kernel (2.6.19-rc2-mm1)
[12:15] <fdoving> Digital_Pioneer: go to the very bottom, and read the comment, before you do any of the other steps.
[12:15] <Digital_Pioneer> fdoving, I recognize your nick.
[12:15] <paul__> I cracked routers wep and  wpa with my railink pci wifi card, kubuntu and aircrack :)
[12:15] <jende> fdoving: were there any major changes for wifi's in the past 48hrs?
[12:15] <paul__> my router ^%^
[12:16] <Hawkwind> dvayanu: Why are you using that kernel on Dapper ?
[12:16] <fdoving> jende: don't think so, or were there a linux-restricted-modules update maybe? hang on, i'll check.
[12:16] <dvayanu> hawkwind: edgy
[12:16] <Hawkwind> Ok, why that kernel on Edgy even :P
[12:16] <dvayanu> hawkwind: the only one to support my chipset
[12:16] <dvayanu> p965
[12:16] <Hawkwind> dvayanu: Ah, gotcha
[12:16] <fdoving> jende: this: 2006-10-20 18:52:16 status installed linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17-10-386 <IP_ADDRESS>-11
[12:16] <jende> fdoving: thanks that you're checking cause the probs in here are getting heaps
[12:17] <Digital_Pioneer> fdoving, OK, having done that, what do I need to do now? Reboot, or just restart something?
[12:18] <fdoving> Digital_Pioneer: you can reload the module, from konsole (kmenu -> system -> konsole) run 'sudo rmmod acx;sudo modprobe acx'
[12:18] <VIKI> What do I do? According to java test page. Firefox is using an outdated java plugin, whereas opera doesnt even have a java plugin. But jre is installed. Whenever I try to update java I get a message saying that it's already lastest version. What am I missing?
[12:18] <jende> fdoving: is 18:52 your local time?
[12:19] <thompa> anybody know if I boot live noapic, does my install come out same?
[12:19] <fdoving> jende: no, it's 00:20 here now.
[12:19] <jende> fdoving: so were some changes
[12:19] <Digital_Pioneer> fdoving, YOU ARE A GENIOUS!!!!!
[12:19] <Digital_Pioneer> :D
[12:19] <fdoving> Digital_Pioneer :)
[12:19] <pointwood> fdoving: same timezone as I - where do you live?
[12:20] <fdoving> pointwood: Norway.
[12:20] <Digital_Pioneer> fdoving, I've been working on this for days! FINALLY!!!
[12:20] <jende> Full Acknowlegement from person
[12:20] <archangel_> I try to access my cd/dvd drive and get a "malformed url" error every time. Is my drive bad?
[12:20] <pointwood> fdoving: cool! Denmark here :)
[12:20] <fdoving> pointwood, cool :)
[12:20] <pointwood> Aarhus to be more exact :)
[12:20] <dhq> how do i get the repos source list for edgy
[12:21] <dhq> !edgy
[12:21] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[12:21] <dhq> !edgy repos
[12:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about edgy repos - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:21] <fdoving> dhq: what do you mean exactly? change the dapper ones to edgy?
[12:22] <dhq> fdoving: its so slow
[12:22] <instructor> !edgy
[12:22] <fdoving> dhq: slow? you can do it fast too: 'sudo sed s/dapper/edgy/g -i /etc/apt/sources.list' for example.
[12:23] <jende> sudo sed -e 's/\sdapper/ edgy /g' -i /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:23] <jende> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:23] <jende> sudo apt-get -f install
[12:23] <jende> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[12:23] <peacekpr> when i boot my computer, it goes to the KDE Graphical Login Screen but the screen is flickering... i type in my username and password (blindly) and hit Enter.  Immediately, the screen stops flickering and all is well.  Does anyone know what this difference could be?  Does the login screen use a different xorg.conf ?
[12:23] <sorush20> when will kubuntu have an autosource addition tool?
[12:23] <fdoving> jende: you forgot to make sure kubuntu-desktop is installed both before, and after dist-upgrade :]
[12:23] <peacekpr> the only xorg.conf I know of is in /etc/X11
[12:24] <nail_> anyone had any issues with the KB on the latest live cd? (Edgy)
[12:24] <jende> fdoving: *grrrr* I forgot that to post, damn you're so right
[12:25] <jende> fdoving: I might need one more coffee
[12:26] <VIKI> K O MON
[12:26] <VIKI> Instlal it
[12:26] <VIKI> enable it
[12:26] <VIKI> damn
[12:26] <VIKI> opera is missing java plugin, the java is there
[12:26] <fdoving> I must go to bed very soon, or my gf will probably somehow break my computers.
[12:27] <jende> fdoving: I've got to go soonish, too, as my gf has been already yelling for me...
[12:27] <jende> fdoving: where about in Norway are you?
[12:27] <sorush20> how do I start the cookie deamon?
[12:27] <dvayanu> hawkwind: next question :-) on dapper i had run automatiKs which installed win32codecs, proper fonts and so on... do you know where i can get this for edgy?
[12:28] <fdoving> jende: lesund. it's about in the middle.
[12:28] <jende> fdoving: I might be next year in norway
[12:29] <fdoving> jende: ok, this is offtopic, i'm in #kubuntu-offtopic too :)
[12:29] <jende> fdoving: but not today.
[12:29] <jende> fdoving: we booth should look after our .........
[12:30] <sorush20> what is the cookie daemon please ,, konqueror is unable to start it..
[12:30] <jende> fdoving: before they crack our pc's
[12:30] <fdoving> jende: i agree, it's too late.
[12:30] <jende> good nite everybody...
[12:30] <fdoving> sorush20: kmenu -> system settings -> advanced [tab]  -> service manager
[12:31] <fdoving> jende: nite.
[12:31] <jende> fdoving: see ya tomorrow!?
[12:32] <archangel_> I need help with my cd drive
[12:32] <jende> fdoving: I'll be around
[12:32] <sorush20> fdoving: where is the advanced thing/' there is no advanced tab
[12:32] <fdoving> sorush20: it's at the very top, not really a tab, it's a button.
[12:32] <jende> archangel_: whats the prob?
[12:32] <fdoving> jende: i'll probably be here too. see you.
[12:32] <fdoving> gnite all.
[12:33] <jende> fdoving: I'll fix archangel and then I'll be gone, too
[12:33] <jende> archangel_: ???
[12:33] <jende> !ask
[12:33] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:34] <archangel_> sorry (kids)
[12:34] <morghanphoenix> adding a fstab entry for a fat32 external hdd, type options and pass paramaters unsure, I believe it is vfat user, noauto 0 0, is this correct?
[12:34] <archangel_> I have switched 2 drives and I cant get either to work
[12:34] <jende> archangel_: I'm not a kid, sorry!
[12:34] <archangel_> lol
[12:35] <archangel_> no I mean sorry it took me a while to respond
[12:35] <archangel_> I was dealing with MY kids
[12:35] <jende> archangel_: so what is the prob with your cd-drives?
[12:36] <archangel_> 1 of them I keep getting a "malformed error" that keep popping up when I try to access it
[12:36] <archangel_> and the other I get nothing
[12:36] <archangel_> as if a drive is not installed
[12:37] <jende> archangel_: did each got mounted?
[12:37] <archangel_> not sure how to
[12:37] <jende> archangel_: check it by openening a console (ALT+F2) and at the prompt of the console you type: mount
[12:38] <archangel_> jende: ok, what now
[12:38] <jende> archangel_: its not there, is ist?
[12:39] <archangel_> jende: no
[12:39] <jende> archangel_: shouldn't be...good
[12:39] <jende> archangel_: now close the console and press again ALT+F2
[12:39] <mike> problem installing xbuntu
[12:39] <archangel_> jende: ok
[12:39] <mike> please help
[12:40] <jende> and type kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[12:40] <mike> my computer freezes when installin xbuntu
[12:40] <jende> archangel_: paste the lot to pastebin
[12:40] <rawrness> fun
[12:40] <jende> !pastebin
[12:40] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:41] <rawrness> try thte alt. install mike
[12:41] <mike> rawrness: what alt?
[12:41] <mike> oo the alt install
[12:41] <rawrness> alt. install cd?
[12:41] <coreymon77> okay
[12:41] <coreymon77> fdoving
[12:41] <rawrness> live cds can be real slow
[12:41] <mike> ok but i used the same insatll i used for ubuntu, i had normal ubuntu working ine but am switching to xbuntu for my laptop
[12:42] <coreymon77> i did the whole sudo apt-get -u dist-upgrade;sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:42] <coreymon77> is that it
[12:42] <rawrness> then just install the thingy for it
[12:42] <coreymon77> is all i have to do now restart?
[12:42] <jende> coreymon77: fdoving went to bed
[12:42] <rawrness> if you got ubuntu runing
[12:42] <coreymon77> im using dapper
[12:42] <coreymon77> and apt is just finsishing witht he apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:43] <jende> coreymon77: so you should be fine now
[12:43] <mike> rawrness:  what do u mean install the thingy for it?
[12:43] <rawrness> il ring ya up a site 1 min
[12:43] <coreymon77> what about those other commands, like -f install
[12:43] <rawrness> btw why how do you make the red text?
[12:43] <rawrness> how&*
[12:43] <coreymon77> and configure -a
[12:43] <archangel_> jende: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27578/
[12:43] <jende> coreymon77: don't worry bout them anymore
[12:44] <coreymon77> just restart
[12:44] <mike> rawrness:  to make text red type the person name in front who u are talking to
[12:44] <mike> rawrness:  usualy just type first letter or two then press tab
[12:44] <mike> rawrness: u got that website?
[12:45] <rawrness> mike: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/xubuntu
[12:45] <rawrness> mike: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/xubuntu ?
[12:45] <jende> archangel_: that lokks just fine
[12:45] <rawrness> donn't look red
[12:45] <jende> archangel_: that looks just fine
[12:45] <VIKI> http://www.vivaolinux.com.br/dicas/verDica.php?codigo=6761
[12:45] <Bauh> algum maluco afim de fumar um baseado?
[12:46] <Bauh> vamos queimar uma resina!
[12:46] <archangel_> jende: should work now?
[12:46] <jende> !es
[12:46] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[12:46] <mike> rawrness: will that take off ubuntu too ?
[12:46] <jende> archangel_: and whenever you have a CD in there you get that error?
[12:47] <archangel_> jende: only with my dvd drive
[12:47] <rawrness> mike: when you boot you can click session and what desktop ya want to ru n
[12:47] <archangel_> jende: I switched out with a another drive and I get nothing out of this one
[12:48] <mike> http://guidetolinux.wetpaint.com/
[12:48] <rawrness> mike:  it then becomes default
[12:48] <coreymon77> wow
[12:48] <coreymon77> there is alot to uppgrade
[12:48] <coreymon77> its been unpacking and setting up for almost 10 minutes now!
[12:48] <archangel_> jende: should i switch back to the dvd drive (at least I get an error with that one)
[12:48] <jende> archangel_: yep, do that...they're internal ones?
[12:49] <archangel_> jende: yeah, give me 2.5 minutes at the most
[12:49] <jende> VIKI: it makes no sense to post links to non-eglish sites in here
[12:49] <jende> archangel_: no worries
[12:50] <VIKI> Found what is wrong. Opera is missing the link to java plugin, but where is java?
[12:50] <jende> VIKI: sudo find / -name java
[12:51] <jende> VIKI: or sudo locate java
[12:51] <Dasnipa] [> you do not have to run sudo to use locate.
[12:51] <Dasnipa] [> that is a very bad idea
[12:51] <jende> VIKI: /usr/bin/
[12:53] <jende> Dasnipa] [: the ooutput is the same, so that shouldn't bother now really
[12:54] <VIKI> ok, ive found java
[12:54] <VIKI> but opera is missing the link
[12:54] <jende> Dasnipa] [: or do you think its worth discussing now?I'm quite tired already anyway
[12:55] <archangel_> jende: should I get an icon?
[12:55] <jende> archangel_: an icon?you mean the drive is connected and a CD or DVD is inserted?
[12:55] <archangel_> jende: malformed url   again
[12:56] <archangel_> jende: yes
[12:56] <archangel_> jende: sorry it took so long
[12:56] <jende> archangel_: I guess you get that window in which you'll be aked to tell what to do, ie. open and stuff
[12:56] <archangel_> jende: I am using a data cd and the drive is saying that the cd is black
[12:56] <jende> archangel_: I guess you get that window in which you'll be asked to tell what to do, ie. open and stuff
[12:57] <archangel_> jende: I mean blank
[12:57] <Dasnipa] [> jende, but its horrible practice to run programs in sudo that you dont need to
[12:57] <jende> archangel_: what data cd is it?
[12:57] <archangel_> jende: pictures from my camera
[12:58] <Dasnipa] [> jende, you might give new users the impression they need to sudo everything and taht will create a ton more problems... hmm sudo firefox... sudo xchat... yeah all smart ideas
[12:58] <jende> Dasnipa] [: I know that, but it's already 1am and I'm getting tired unfortunately; nope I'll never ever gave users that impression and haven't got on mind to do!
[12:59] <archangel_> jende: there on there are 555 pics
[12:59] <mike> you guys all get ur flash 9 alphas!!!!
[12:59] <jende> archangel_: but the cd hasn't been burnt as a picture cd?
[12:59] <archangel_> jende: everything I put in there is 'blank'
[12:59] <jende> archangel_: do the drives work in other machines?
[12:59] <archangel_> jende: no it was burned as a data cd
[01:01] <magicmike> Yo jende.
[01:01] <archangel_> jende: yes the one I am using now does for sure
[01:02] <archangel_> jende: crap I have to go, I will be on later.    Sorry to cut you off
[01:02] <jende> archangel_: open a console again ;-) and type ls -al /dev/cdrom
[01:02] <archangel_> ok
[01:02] <mike> rawrness:  us see flash 9 alpha is out!
[01:02] <jende> mike: flash9 beta is out
[01:02] <rawrness> i am using flash 9b
[01:02] <intelikey> hmmm i may not be back yet...
[01:03] <rawrness> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bQM5r-_8aw
[01:03] <dragonflyseven> Will flash 9 be in 6.10? Probably not...
[01:03] <dragonflyseven> Oh well.
[01:03] <mike> jende: yea i called it alpha my b
[01:03] <archangel_> still nothing
[01:03] <archangel_> sorry got to go
[01:04] <mike> jende:  it works great, finally i can visit hose flash 9 sites lol
[01:04] <LjL> !flash9
[01:04] <dvayanu> jende: LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /opt/flash-player-plugin-<IP_ADDRESS>/libflashplayer.so [/opt/flash-player-plugin-<IP_ADDRESS>/libflashplayer.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32]
[01:04] <ubotu> Flash player 9 beta has been released. You can download it here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/custom/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for edgy)
[01:04] <ubuntu> hi
[01:04] <mluser-work> is there a 'rc.local' or 'local.start' type file that I can add stuff to happen at boot time?
[01:04] <LeeJunFan> I didn't even know it was available. I've been working 18 hr days the last 4 days :(
[01:05] <ubuntu> my god
[01:05] <ubuntu> this is the first time, i use kubuntu, and i am a little lost
[01:05] <dragonflyseven> eightteen hours a day= not very much fun
[01:05] <jende> archangel_: I need the ooutput of the given command
[01:05] <dragonflyseven> ubuntu: any questions?
[01:05] <birge> lots of
[01:05] <dragonflyseven> birge: any questions?
[01:06] <dragonflyseven> Such as?
[01:06] <birge> how to set keyboard to hungarian
[01:06] <rawrness> control panel
[01:06] <rawrness> under k menu keyboards
[01:07] <yamal> mluser-work: in /etc
[01:07] <mluser-work> yamal: thanks.. I found it :)
[01:07] <pointwood> first impression of edgy: ohh...shiny :D
[01:07] <magicmike> Yo jende. I had Ubuntu installed before instead of Kubuntu. Now I have Kubuntu installed. I liked the Firefox, and Gaim which isn't on this. Can it be installed?
[01:07] <VIKI> isnt 1.5 the lastest version of java??
[01:07] <pointwood> looks more polished than dapper
[01:07] <VIKI> java site is telling me that this version is outdated
[01:07] <jende> magicmike: sure
[01:07] <birge> system settings?
[01:08] <dragonflyseven> birge: K Menu, then Settings, then peripherals
[01:08] <rawrness> click the big k button
[01:08] <rawrness> thats kmenu
[01:08] <rawrness> see dragonflys thingy
[01:08] <jende> !gaim
[01:08] <ubotu> Instant Messenger Clients: Gaim (GNOME, http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Kopete (KDE), both supporting MSN, Jabber, AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and IRC.
[01:08] <dvayanu> viki: jdk1.5_09
[01:08] <VIKI> 909?
[01:08] <VIKI> mine is 06
[01:09] <dvayanu> viki: thats still ok
[01:09] <dvayanu> viki: and the problem is?
[01:09] <birge> yep
[01:09] <VIKI> im trying to acess a webchat
[01:09] <dragonflyseven> This is completely off topic: I am trying to become addicted to IRC, but I don't know of any interesting channels. Does anyone have any suggestions?
[01:09] <dvayanu> you need the plugin
[01:09] <VIKI> but the pop up window with the java plugin will never pop up
[01:10] <dvayanu> viki: you installed the plugin?
[01:10] <VIKI> according to java test page, yes
[01:10] <dragonflyseven> Oh, Birge!
[01:10] <VIKI> CONGRATULATIONS, you have the Latest version of Java!
[01:10] <dragonflyseven> Its not peripherals.
[01:10] <jende> magicmike: Hi Mike!I'll be gone in a few mins, but here is what you have to do:Open a console using ALT+F2 and the type at the console-prompt sudo apt-get install gaim mozilla-firefox
[01:10] <intelikey> dragonflyseven yes.   'do your self a fabour, get a real life, and leave irc to us L-users'
[01:11] <VIKI> opera might be blocking the pop up
[01:11] <dragonflyseven> It is KMenu>Settings>Regional and Accesibility> keyboard
[01:11] <birge> ok, i am a total newbie... a windows user, fed up with windows, and want to change
[01:11] <dvayanu> viki: dont know anything about opera :-)
[01:11] <VIKI> oh
[01:11] <VIKI> right
[01:11] <dragonflyseven> birge: yep, I did the same thing a few months ago.
[01:11] <VIKI> opera was blocking the pop up
[01:11] <T3hWiz0rd> birge: lol you just made this sound like an introductory session of Windows Rehab or something :-P
[01:12] <dragonflyseven> intelikey: but real lives are boring!
[01:12] <morphish> birge: kubuntu seems to be a nice distro for "switchers"
[01:12] <T3hWiz0rd> "Hi my names bill. Outlook made me strangle my wife." "HI BILL!"
[01:12] <VIKI> I installed automatix is it better or worse than Adept?
[01:12] <LjL> !automatix
[01:12] <ubotu> Automatix is an unsupported script that tries to automate the installation of some software. We don't provide support for it in the #ubuntu or #kubuntu channels, try #automatix thanks!
[01:12] <LjL> automatix has nothing to do with adept
[01:12] <LjL> !adept
[01:12] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[01:12] <LjL> please don't use automatix
[01:12] <VIKI> why?
[01:12] <dvayanu> whyn ot?
[01:12] <birge> lol
[01:12] <intelikey> dragonflyseven it's not the life. it's the person living it.
[01:12] <LjL> because it breaks.
[01:12] <T3hWiz0rd> is aptitude ever going to be finallized?
[01:12] <T3hWiz0rd> !aptitude
[01:12] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[01:13] <jende> ...and its not supported
[01:13] <mike> jende: what were u telling me to do?
[01:13] <LjL> jende: yeah, but the factoid already says that ;P
[01:13] <T3hWiz0rd> is aptitude gonna replace apt ever?
[01:13] <cies> wow!
[01:13] <cies> this is a fat channel!
[01:13] <jende> magicmike: is it doing it?
[01:13] <dragonflyseven> intelikey: psh. I use linux, i think I gave up on the "real life" thing a while ago. :)
[01:13] <birge> ok, so help me rehab
[01:13] <mike> how do i chekc what version of java i am running?
[01:13] <dragonflyseven> birge:
[01:13] <T3hWiz0rd> birge: well what are your questions?
[01:13] <LjL> now that we have auto-dependency-tracking built into APT, i don't care much for aptitude anymore
[01:14] <dragonflyseven> have you installed media codecs?
[01:14] <rcarr> mike: java --version
[01:14] <magicmike> Nothing happening.
[01:14] <intelikey> probobably so so so so so
[01:14] <rcarr> mike: java -version, not java --version sorry
[01:14] <cies> i had a lot of issues with 6.10, resulting in giving up on installing (tried 5 times), where can i report bugs?
[01:14] <jende> magicmike: nothing?
[01:14] <LjL> !bugs
[01:14] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[01:14] <dragonflyseven> Try Easy Ubuntu (http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/). It is a great way to get most stuff working.
[01:14] <rcarr> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu
[01:15] <LjL> !easyubuntu
[01:15] <ubotu> EasyUbuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ ; for help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu.
[01:15] <magicmike> Nothing at all. If I type it in the console it says it couldn't find the gaim package.
[01:15] <dragonflyseven> It worked great for me. I wish I had known of it before I started.
[01:15] <jende> magicmike: you have to enable the repos for that
[01:16] <jende> magicmike: is the sources.list still as like as it was earlier today?
[01:16] <birge> my main question is to sleep, or not to sleep... but i think, you cant help me
[01:16] <magicmike> No, I installed Kubuntu, earlier I was using Ubuntu.
[01:17] <magicmike> This has Kate installed. How do I bring up the sources.list in this one?
[01:17] <jende> magicmike: do you remember what we did with the sources?
[01:17] <magicmike> Yea, I remember.
[01:17] <morphish> birge: then enjoy a good night's rest, and burn the CD you downloaded while you slept, and run the "Desktop CD" so you can see if you like it, if you do, start xchat there, and be ready SHOULD questions arise after clicking "Install" on desktop
[01:17] <jende> magicmike: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:17] <dragonflyseven> birge: sleep is silly. when you think about it, typing doesnt take much engery at all.
[01:18] <birge> thx
[01:18] <morphish> birge: sleep is important because our IQ drops a lot if we don't sleep ;)
[01:18] <intelikey> dragonflyseven as to the question, one true bit of advice. pick a topic that you really like. and avoid it in irc channel names.    i.e. if you like linux stay away from ##linux     cause it has been my exp. that channels with the name of your favorite subject will pretty much turn you against it....    (end off topic broad cast)
[01:19] <T3hWiz0rd> so much easier to read.
[01:19] <sorush20> how do I start the kde print server?
[01:19] <jmichaelx> is it still discouraged to ask questions about edgy in this channel? :-D
[01:19] <sorush20> I keep getting the message that it is not started..
[01:19] <sorush20> I don't think edgy is going to be that edgy..
[01:19] <jende> jmichaelx: wouldn't say so
[01:20] <jmichaelx> good....
[01:20] <mike> i have a java game that just hung and i cant quite it any ideas?
[01:20] <T3hWiz0rd> edgy will run fine i reckon.
[01:20] <intelikey> kill it
[01:20] <T3hWiz0rd> I look forward to seeing it.
[01:20] <intelikey> mike killall <name>
[01:20] <mike> intelikey: how do i kill it
[01:20] <mike> intelikey: i am not sure of the name
[01:20] <jende> brb
[01:20] <intelikey> mike ps -A x
[01:21] <birge> ok, i am a bit tired, and slow by now, after a day long work, but i dont want to go to bed, until my keyboard is hungarian, so help me, and i will stop disturbing you with noob questions
[01:21] <jende> b
[01:21] <intelikey> mike anything with java or jre might work  cause killall will kill the named + all children
[01:22] <MetaMorfoziS> by'all
[01:22] <jende> MetaMorfoziS: bye
[01:22] <jende> magicmike: where are you?
[01:22] <mike> intelikey: y eai just tried kill all java nd it worked
[01:22] <birge> i found a regional&accessibility menu... is it good?
[01:22] <mike> intelikey:  can u help me get this java game not to hang when i try and play it?
[01:22] <jende> birge: yep
[01:23] <mike> rawrness: u just like changing names dont u
[01:23] <magicmike> Right here.
[01:23] <rawrness> yup
[01:23] <magicmike> Finished editing.
[01:23] <jende> magicmike: are you working on your sources.list?
[01:23] <magicmike> I saved it already.
[01:23] <jende> magicmike: pastebin it just to make sure everything is fine
[01:23] <birge> good news? what is the next step?
[01:24] <intelikey> mike example; killall /bin/sh       if you had a shell script that hung something but you didn't know what.     and yes  killall java    in your case.     but as to your Q. no. i don't do java nor windows.
[01:25] <rcarr> If you have multiple instances of a program runningg and only want to kill one, run ps -A | grep processname
[01:25] <rcarr> and record the pid, then use kill pid
[01:25] <rcarr> rather than killall
[01:25] <rcarr> just a useful note
[01:25] <mike> intelikey:  i am not on windows
[01:25] <jende> birge: is hungaria in there?
[01:25] <magicmike> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27588/
[01:26] <intelikey> rcarr why not   kill `pidof blah`
[01:26] <birge> where exactly?
[01:26] <jende> magicmike: well done!
[01:27] <jende> magicmike: now do in the consoole again a sudo apt-get install gaim mozilla-firefox
[01:27] <jende> birge:I'll open it...hold on
[01:27] <birge> k
[01:27] <birge> thx
[01:27] <jende> birge: add language
[01:27] <rcarr> intelikey: Because that still doesn't help if you have multiple instances and only want to kill one
[01:28] <intelikey> jende don't mean to but in, but did he/she apt-get update ?
[01:28] <birge> yepp.. i added hungarian, and kubuntu became hungarian
[01:28] <birge> but i still cant type hungarian letters
[01:28] <magicmike> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27589/
[01:28] <dragonflyseven> birge: did you go to the Keyboard Layout settings?
[01:28] <JosefK> magicmike: ps -ef | grep dpkg | wc -l
[01:29] <birge> yepp
[01:29] <jende> magicmike: you forgot, as we did it earlier, and as intelikey just mentioned to do your sudo apt-get update.
[01:29] <JosefK> magicmike: if > 0, mercilessly slaughter dpkg processes
[01:29] <tom__> ok i have finily got the newest version unbuntu how do i install the java plug in for fire fox
[01:29] <dragonflyseven> Hmmm... Have you restarted?
[01:29] <intelikey> rcarr multi-processes with same name.... who would know which to kill anyway.  but that's niether here nor there.   sudo kill -9 -1     will get it.
[01:29] <JosefK> intelikey: ptree usually helps
[01:30] <intelikey> pstree ^
[01:30] <jende> birge: in the installation process you got asked what keyboard and stuff you're using what did you say as an answer?
[01:30] <JosefK> intelikey: pfft, ptree on solaris ^^
[01:30] <birge> no, because i only use live..
[01:30] <birge> i dont want to install  until i know it well
[01:30] <jende> magicmike: is kate still open?
[01:30] <sorush20> I can't print the test pages I keep getting the message that A print error occurred. Error message received from system:
[01:30] <sorush20> Unable to start child print process. The KDE print server (kdeprintd) could not be contacted. Check that this server is running.
[01:31] <Noob1> !java > Noob1
[01:31] <jende> birge: well than you have to live with english keyboard layout
[01:31] <intelikey> did birge just say he was never going to install linux ???
[01:31] <magicmike> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27591/
[01:31] <dragonflyseven> Hey! I can stop trying to set up network printing! I just realized Edgy is coming out in six days, and since I am reinstalling then anyway I shouldnt bother with anything?
[01:31] <birge> wow
[01:31] <birge> i found it
[01:31] <magicmike> No. But I can open it.
[01:32] <birge> of course, i want to install linux, but first i want to learn about it
[01:32] <Noob1> how can i tell what version of unbuntu im running
[01:32] <birge> and my father uses this computer too, and he is useless even in windows... but i will teach him;)
[01:32] <jende> magicmike: hehe...pastebin me yoour sources.list
[01:32] <Brydenn33> :)
[01:33] <jende> magicmike: don't have to
[01:33] <dragonflyseven> birge: remember you can dual boot if you want.
[01:33] <jende> magicmike: still have yours here
[01:33] <birge> i know
[01:33] <intelikey> birge heh no offence inteneded,   just a joke about "knowing linux well"     who does ?     not i.
[01:33] <birge> :)
[01:34] <coreymon77> wow
[01:34] <coreymon77> its still setting up stuff
[01:35] <jende> magicmike: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27594/
[01:35] <coreymon77> this has been going on for close to an hour
[01:35] <magicmike> Okay.
[01:35] <rawrness> whats  AIGLX
[01:35] <birge> i am so proud of me:D
[01:35] <intelikey> coreymon77 common
[01:35] <rawrness> ! AIGLX
[01:35] <ubotu> AIGLX ('Accelerated Indirect GLX') is an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol.
[01:35] <jende> magicmike: delete all the US thingys in there as I've posted
[01:35] <birge> and thx for the help
[01:35] <birge> now i go to sleep
[01:35] <dragonflyseven> birge: bye
[01:35] <coreymon77> intellikey: im not kidding
[01:36] <intelikey> nn coreymon77 you misread me.
[01:36] <birge> goodnight
[01:36] <coreymon77> ???
[01:36] <intelikey> birge gooday
[01:36] <jende> coreymon77: that ca happen, depending on how many packages needs to be downloaded
[01:36] <jende> coreymon77: and configured and installed
[01:37] <intelikey> coreymon77 you're installing what ?
[01:37] <coreymon77> edgy
[01:37] <coreymon77> from dapper
[01:37] <intelikey> and it's been configuring things for an hour.   that's common.
[01:37] <jende> intelikey: coreymon77 is upgrading from dapper to edgy, AFAIK
[01:37] <birge> goodday? At Hungary it's 01:37 AM....
[01:37] <ubuntu> heya, 1st time on kubuntu here
[01:37] <ubuntu> not on linux though
[01:38] <dragonflyseven> birge: we are americentric.
[01:38] <dragonflyseven> Its not our fault, we were raised that way.
[01:38] <birge> i see:D
[01:38] <dragonflyseven> :D
[01:38] <coreymon77> it started the setting up process (downloading took a while too, but was done already) at 6:35
[01:38] <jende> dragonflyseven: and I'm quite eurocentric...;-)
[01:38] <jmichaelx> could anyone tell me why my internal hard drives do not show up in konqueror or krusader in kubuntu edgy?
[01:38] <intelikey> jende we wont hold that against you :)
[01:39] <magicmike> I still get that unable to unlock message.
[01:39] <vn-> I saw someone switching of desktop with some simple move and it<s like a cube in 3d, rotation...I think the name is XGL, can I use that in the default kubuntu livecd^
[01:39] <jende> intelikey: thannks mate!
[01:39] <vn-> ?
[01:39] <jende> magicmike: reboot
[01:39] <magicmike> Okay.
[01:40] <coreymon77> what the
[01:40] <intelikey> vn- on the live....  not the best of ideas.  but possable i suppose.
[01:40] <dragonflyseven> jende: Europe is stupid. Everything cool comes from america. Like Linux and Ubuntu.
[01:40] <coreymon77> guys
[01:40] <coreymon77> problem
[01:40] <vn-> why so?
[01:40] <LjL> dragonflyseven: like... Linux?
[01:41] <vn-> isn<t linux coming from Finland, which is in Europe^
[01:41] <intelikey> dragonflyseven linux came from sweden
[01:41] <vn-> ?
[01:41] <vn-> LOL
[01:41] <intelikey> or norway
[01:41] <jende> dragonflyseven: oh...I thought that linus torvalds is from finland
[01:41] <LjL> intelikey: finland
[01:41] <dragonflyseven> everyone: I was kidding. I am not an idiot.
[01:41] <vn-> Helsinki
[01:41] <vn-> finland
[01:41] <coreymon77> major problem
[01:41] <dragonflyseven> It was finland.
[01:41] <coreymon77> look at this
[01:41] <LjL> dragonflyseven: alrighty :)
[01:41] <coreymon77> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27595/
[01:41] <dragonflyseven> And Ubuntu is south africa.
[01:41] <intelikey> LjL it's all viking country to me...
[01:41] <vn-> but uhm where am I supposed to get this 3d cubic desktop thingy in the livecd?
[01:42] <jende> dragonflyseven: wrong Ubunutu is a circus
[01:42] <coreymon77> guys
[01:42] <dragonflyseven> vn: that is kind of complicated.
[01:42] <coreymon77> can you look at that and tell me what the matter is?
[01:42] <coreymon77> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27595/
[01:42] <dragonflyseven> Does anyone know of an .iso that has XGL/Compiz pre-installed?
[01:43] <vn-> dragonflyseven: but it<s easy if I install it?
[01:43] <jende> www.ubuntu.de <- esp for dragonflyseven
[01:43] <LjL> dragonflyseven: kororaa. not ubuntu though
[01:43] <Hawkwind> coreymon77: That on Dapper or Edgy ?
[01:43] <Hawkwind> kororaa is no longer maintained either and they took all their ISO's offline here not long ago. Not sure if they put them back
[01:44] <jende> Hawkwind: he is on edgy--trying to upgrade AFAIK
[01:44] <coreymon77> hawkind, i just did apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:44] <dragonflyseven> vn: I am not sure how easy it is. It is harder with KDE than GNOME. At least it was...
[01:44] <magicmike> Back.
[01:44] <coreymon77> but havent restarted yet
[01:44] <jende> magicmike: now open the console
[01:44] <coreymon77> so what is it
[01:45] <dragonflyseven> jende: um, that is odd.
[01:45] <coreymon77> apt-get dist upgrade has run
[01:45] <vn-> anyway ubuntu looks so easy
[01:45] <coreymon77> but i havent restarted
[01:45] <vn-> compared to what it was 2 years ago
[01:45] <jende> magicmike: and do a sudo apt-get install gaim mozilla-firefox
[01:45] <coreymon77> i do install kubuntu-desktop as part of the command
[01:45] <coreymon77> and thats what it gives me
[01:45] <dragonflyseven> vn: I wouldn't know, but I have heard it was really hard.
[01:45] <magicmike> Shouldn't I do that update first?
[01:46] <coreymon77> hawkind? whats the problem here?
[01:46] <jende> magicmike: sure, I'll let you think a bit now as well
[01:46] <vn-> I guess the best way to know is to try!
[01:46] <jende> magicmike: and it works, which is good
[01:46] <LjL> !xgl
[01:46] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL)  -  Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager  -  Help in #ubuntu-xgl  -  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[01:46] <coreymon77> hawkwind?
[01:46] <Hawkwind> coreymon77: No idea.  Try asking in #Ubuntu+1 since you're now running Edgy and that is the Edgy channel
[01:47] <rat_> HEEELO
[01:47] <vn-> oh
[01:47] <magicmike> Same message as before.
[01:47] <vn-> so XGL is still alpha
[01:47] <jende> magicmike: okay
[01:47] <vn-> it seems to work so well
[01:47] <peacekpr> anyone have any idea why i can't hear any sound upon one reboot?
[01:47] <jende> magicmike: cd /etc/apt
[01:47] <dragonflyseven> Well, of to the wonderful world of the real world. Bye all.
[01:47] <coreymon77> am i running edgy?
[01:47] <coreymon77> cause i havent restarted yet
[01:48] <Hawkwind> coreymon77: If you dist-upgraded after changing your sources.list, then yes
[01:48] <archangel_> hey, how does one with linux connect via dialup with aol? I have a buddy that will make the switch, but needs the net via dialup.
[01:48] <jende> magicmike: are you there
[01:48] <Hawkwind> coreymon77: You probably need to reboot first
[01:48] <peacekpr> i have a soundblaster card that is recognized by the system, the kernel module snd_emu10k1 is loaded just fine - i have not made any changes between the reboot ... but i reboot and sound no longer works
[01:48] <peacekpr> it's very strange
[01:48] <magicmike> done
[01:48] <jmichaelx> could anyone tell me why my internal hard drives do not show up in konqueror or krusader in kubuntu edgy?
[01:48] <T3hWiz0rd> why does the kde crystal theme seem to be so laggy?
[01:48] <intelikey> coreymon77 try booting the newly upgraded and then gripe about all it broke.
[01:48] <jende> coreymon77: I'd probably would give apt-get -f install achance as well as a dpkg-configure --a
[01:49] <jende> coreymon77: before you reboot
[01:49] <coreymon77> okay
[01:49] <coreymon77> okay
[01:49] <coreymon77> thanks
[01:49] <jende> magicmike: type ls -l and tell me if there sre 2 sources.list's
[01:49] <peacekpr> i'm running dapper
[01:49] <jende> magicmike: type ls -l and tell me if there are 2 sources.list's
[01:50] <intelikey> peacekpr cat /proc/asound/cards
[01:50] <peacekpr> i've read every troubleshooting tutorial that i can find... any suggestions on getting sound to work again?  it worked once before! heh
[01:50] <peacekpr> intelikey, that returns the VIA chipset and the Soundblaster
[01:51] <intelikey> it may be trying to default to the onboard
[01:51] <peacekpr> yeah, the onboard is listed is "0" and the SBLive as "1"
[01:51] <peacekpr> does "0" signify default ?
[01:51] <intelikey> set card 1 as default
[01:51] <magicmike> I had the adept updater on. It fetched the updates. Should I apply them?
[01:52] <jende> magicmike: well, yes...but then quit adept
[01:52] <peacekpr> intelikey, what command do i use to set card 1 as default ?
[01:52] <intelikey> unless adjusted everything defalts to 0  afaik
[01:52] <jende> magicmike: and do it from the console, okay
[01:53] <intelikey> peacekpr hmmmm what if i say 'i don't know' ?
[01:53] <magicmike> I was. That's probably why it was locked.
[01:53] <jende> magicmike: not probably; definitely
[01:53] <magicmike> Tryinfg to be an admin in 2 places.
[01:54] <jende> magicmike: shouldn't confuse you...hehehe
[01:54] <peacekpr> intelikey, i'd be bummed - heh
[01:54] <magicmike> LOL. Not hard to do.
[01:54] <pointwood> fdoving: thanks for the help solving my problems - if you ever come to Aarhus, I'll buy you a beer ;)
[01:54] <jende> magicmike: so, the updates are running?
[01:55] <magicmike> The one in adept is about half done.
[01:55] <rat_> LOL
[01:55] <intelikey> peacekpr sound is not where i play around really.   maybe someone else can tell you the "easy" way to set the card1 as the default alsa output
[01:55] <jende> magicmike: good...now grab yourself a beer in the meantime
[01:55] <intelikey> someone ?
[01:56] <jende> intelikey: I'm not into sound nor multimedia either
[01:56] <intelikey> someone else ?
[01:56] <jende> !2soundcards
[01:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 2soundcards - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:56] <jende> !2 soundcards
[01:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 2 soundcards - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:56] <intelikey> !sound
[01:56] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[01:57] <magicmike> Already knocked down several glasses of Merlot!. How else do you think I could come back for more of this torture. ROFLMAO
[01:57] <rat_> PROBLEMS WITH CAPS LOCK ON REMOTE DESKTOP TO UBUNTU
[01:59] <intelikey> rat_ maybe press  [ctrl] +[SysRQ] +[R]   then try it.
[01:59] <Shyne_> !bluetooth
[01:59] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[02:00] <rat_> ERM GOT NO SYSRQ DUDE
[02:00] <jende> peacekpr: maybe that thingy helps; haven't read it but google said its good
[02:00] <jende> peacekpr: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=273972
[02:01] <jende> magicmike: hello???where is my wine?
[02:01] <magicmike> Give me your address and I'll ship it to ya!
[02:01] <jende> magicmike: hehehe
[02:01] <rat_> hahaha classic sorted it
[02:01] <intelikey> !info wine
[02:01] <ubotu> wine: Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional.  LOL
[02:07] <witerain> ok..cool..cuz..thats the only thing to m
[02:07] <jende> rat_: it#s got to be german or australian beer; a guinness is still alright
[02:07] <magicmike> We are not that far.
[02:08] <coreymon77> ooh!
[02:08] <coreymon77> new konversations really nice
[02:08] <witerain> well...
[02:08] <coreymon77> !
[02:08] <witerain> guiness in the frig..
[02:08] <magicmike> 90%
[02:08] <jende> coreymon77: you've got beer??
[02:08] <witerain> dam..good..
[02:08] <magicmike> Guinness _Brilliant! LOL
[02:08] <witerain> one in my hand others in frig
[02:09] <jende> witerain: be qquiet now, please
[02:09] <witerain> do you guys seriousely think guiness make one drunk?
[02:09] <magicmike> Done.
[02:09] <jende> witerain: not, if you add cidre to it
[02:09] <jende> magicmike: close adept
[02:09] <magicmike> done
[02:09] <jende> magicmike: open the console
[02:10] <jende> magicmike: and now?
[02:10] <jende> magicmike: tell me
[02:10] <chill3r> ahhhhhhhhhhh thats betta
[02:11] <peacekpr> intelikey, jende: FYI, to get sound working in XMMS, i went into the Plugins section and clicked "Configure" for the ALSA Output plugin.  I selected a different sound card (hw:1,0) and XMMS now plays my music .... all of the drivers, etc are loaded properly
[02:11] <coreymon77> the edgy konversation is really nice!
[02:11] <jende> magicmike: remember what is next?
[02:11] <rawrness> !beryl
[02:11] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl. Thank You.
[02:11] <peacekpr> so that seems to be proof that alsa isn't using the correct card for default sound... i had to tell XMMS to use card 1 instead of 0
[02:11] <magicmike> Okay sudo apt-get install gaim mozilla-firefox
[02:11] <jende> magicmike: yes!!!
[02:12] <jende> magicmike: do it
[02:12] <magicmike> done
[02:12] <jende> rawrness: beryl is still in Pre-Alpha
[02:12] <rawrness> fun
[02:12] <magicmike> How do I get evolution?
[02:12] <witerain> why my amork is not wokring..
[02:13] <rawrness> casue it hates you
[02:13] <jende> magicmike: so has it installed gaim and firefox?
[02:13] <rawrness> how is it not working
[02:13] <witerain> ho..ho..
[02:13] <witerain>  i think so..
[02:13] <magicmike> Yup. It shows in the menu
[02:13] <witerain> if i clik one mp3 file.
[02:13] <jende> magicmike: happy now?
[02:13] <rawrness> it don't play?
[02:13] <witerain> it immediately go over.
[02:13] <BonBonTheJon> witerain: you need to install support for mp3s
[02:14] <jende> witerain: you may want to install libxine-extracodecs
[02:14] <witerain> how would i get it?.(sorry.im newbie)
[02:14] <rawrness> !w32codecs
[02:14] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:14] <jende> !libxine-extracodecs
[02:14] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), package size 1148 kB, installed size 2976 kB
[02:14] <BonBonTheJon> witerain: install libxine-extracodecs
[02:14] <jende> witerain: so you have to modify your sources.list
[02:14] <magicmike> Not yet. Gotta check to see if I can play mp3's like I was earlier in Ubuntu. Think I'll need to install the extracodecs?
[02:14] <witerain> thnks..i will try right away..
[02:14] <witerain> hold on..
[02:14] <jende> magicmike: yes
[02:15] <jende> sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[02:15] <jende> witerain: your sources.list needs definitely a modification
[02:15] <magicmike> I knew that. LOL
[02:16] <intelikey> peacekpr "correct" in your case is the one you want it to use,   we can hardly call that a fault in alsa.   suppose you had wanted it to use the first card it found.... it would have been function "correctly" already.     but at any rate glad you found it. :)
[02:16] <jende> witerain: do that: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:17] <jende> witerain: and then pastebin t
[02:17] <jende> !paste
[02:17] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[02:17] <peacekpr> intelikey, well ... this is half the battle.  it works in XMMS, but I want it to work by default for all sound-using applications
[02:17] <witerain> i am following..
[02:18] <intelikey> peacekpr i don't want to delve into it, but; there is also a way to tell linux to ignore the onborad card altogather.   /etc/modprob.d/  or something like that.
[02:18] <jende> witerain: have you opened the sources in kate?
[02:18] <witerain> yes,,but i cant see nothting
[02:18] <intelikey> blacklist it.
[02:19] <jende> witerain: close that!
[02:19] <witerain> i got it..
[02:19] <witerain> now i opened it
[02:19] <jende> witerain: okay
[02:19] <intelikey> nothing is awfully hard to see isn't it.
[02:20] <jende> witerain: now just paste it to pastebin
[02:20] <witerain> well..i dont know what should i add to it
[02:20] <jende> !paste
[02:20] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[02:20] <witerain> from where to where
[02:20] <witerain> all of it?
[02:20] <jende> witerain: you're not adding as yet anything, first just pastebin it
[02:20] <magicmike> Yo jende. You 'DA Man! I got mp3 jamming and I got evolution too. Thanks.
[02:21] <intelikey> peacekpr there is also a way to tell kde which card to call default    kcontrol  should help there
[02:21] <jende> witerain: sure, all of it.mark it say copy there open pastebin and paste it there
[02:21] <jende> magicmike: you're welcome
[02:21] <magicmike> I still don't have a printer and I don't have my cam or newsreader but that's a prob for a different day.
[02:22] <witerain> is pastbin command
[02:22] <jende> witerain: !pastebin
[02:22] <magicmike> Like the song says. Don't Worry, Be Happy.
[02:22] <jende> !pastebin
[02:22] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[02:22] <intelikey> left click highlight ... middle (both on two but mouse) click paste
[02:22] <peacekpr> intelikey, yeah... i've had kcontrol settings to ALSA with emu10k1 selected all along
[02:22] <magicmike> I appreciate you sticking around longer than you had planned.
[02:22] <jende> witerain:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[02:23] <peacekpr> i just wonder what made the system select the onboard audio card all of a sudden
[02:23] <jende> magicmike: thats okay
[02:24] <intelikey> peacekpr i couldn't say.  not my box.    logs might show what changed.  /etc/log/*
[02:25] <jende> witerain: done that?If so whats URL to have a look at it?
[02:25] <archangel_> anyone have an ipod?
[02:25] <peacekpr> i'm going to try a reboot just to see what happens
[02:25] <peacekpr> :)
[02:25] <peacekpr> brb
[02:26] <jende> witerain: ???
[02:26] <witerain> jende..i have open up the site you showed me..and it said just web..show i past something on there?
[02:27] <archangel_> anyone know how to exchange pics on an ipod?
[02:27] <jende> witerain: you should have quite leftish a box and above that it says Paste something
[02:28] <jende> witerain: in there paste the copied sources.list
[02:28] <jende> witerain: then say paste and it gives you the URL
[02:29] <jende> witerain: have that?
[02:31] <jende_> witerain: shouldn't take you that long
[02:31] <peacekpr> intelikey: revision of alsa.conf to use card 1 was successful
[02:31] <witerain> hoho....
[02:31] <peacekpr> just FYI
[02:31] <chill3r> u there jed
[02:32] <witerain> since i am such a supid...sorry..jende..
[02:32] <intelikey> peacekpr k i will make a note of that one.  thank you.
[02:32] <witerain> hold on...
[02:32] <witerain> actually..the thing i have to do is add something on my update list...,
[02:32] <witerain> name is source.list.
[02:33] <witerain> am i right>
[02:33] <jende_> witerain: didn't you say that you follow me?
[02:33] <mkara> hi all I am new here
[02:33] <jende_> witerain: thats wrong!
[02:33] <intelikey> /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:33] <jende_> witerain: /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:33] <witerain> yeah...i open up the source.list.
[02:34] <witerain> there is some what...list..
[02:34] <intelikey> :)
[02:34] <jende_> witerain: s o u r c e s .... not source
[02:35] <witerain> yeah.i know so i re open it..^^
[02:36] <witerain> waiting for command..
[02:36] <mkara> I have a "su" problem in Edgy rc1. It sometimes accepts the password but sometimes denies saying "failed su in KDE" or something like that
[02:37] <jende_> witerain: now you see a file with quite few lines ?
[02:37] <witerain> yes sir
[02:37] <Hawkwind> mkara: Have you tried #Ubuntu+1 since that is the Edgy channel ?
[02:38] <mkara> No. I have come here bec I have Kubuntu Edgy rc1
[02:38] <jende_> witerain: ifine, so just mark the lot, say copy, open the pastebin and paste it in the box
[02:38] <intelikey> mkara also of note.  testing sudo is as simple as typing    sudo echo working!     in a konsole.
[02:39] <Hawkwind> mkara: #Ubuntu+1 is the Edgy channel for both Ubuntu and Kubuntu.  This channel is really for Dapper support since Edgy isn't final yet
[02:39] <mkara> hmm. thanks for info.
[02:39] <witerain> so past http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org in there?
[02:40] <mkara> later.
[02:40] <jende_> witerain: yes
[02:42] <jende_> witerain: whats the URL?
[02:43] <intelikey> don't rush him.    i expect the url in the next five minutes............
[02:43] <intelikey> :)
[02:43] <jende_> intelikey: time to grab me a coffee or so
[02:43] <intelikey> yeah.
[02:43] <jende_> intelikey: wanna have one, too
[02:44] <intelikey>  me to dcc you another wine ???  :)
[02:44] <jende_> yep
[02:44] <intelikey> lol
[02:45] <jende_> witerain: would you mind telling me, why it takes you ages to paste a file in a box and simpy post the URL in here?
[02:45] <jende_> witerain: its 2.45am
[02:46] <witerain> sorry...i am figureing....actully, i paste it to the box..
[02:46] <intelikey> i never did get how you guys could drink rodao beer.     but i don't care for the taste of it cold so hot is even less desireable to me.
[02:46] <witerain> it is nothgin but just copy........i dont know how to get the url..
[02:46] <witerain> it should have nbeen
[02:46] <witerain> sorry...
[02:47] <intelikey> witerain you get the url from the next page.
[02:47] <intelikey> when you post that copy the page will change and show you the url to give us.
[02:47] <jende_> witerain: you submit your paste by saying paste,which is that box below the textbox
[02:47] <witerain> is this like http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27609/?
[02:48] <witerain> no?
[02:48] <jende_> witerain: veauty, thats what we need
[02:48] <jende_> witerain: beauty, thats what we need
[02:49] <witerain> u serious?
[02:49] <Lam_> 800 MHz / 256 MB.  XFCE or KDE?
[02:49] <intelikey> some times witerain.... some times.
[02:49] <intelikey> Lam_ anything you like.
[02:49] <intelikey> even gnome
[02:50] <Lam_> i like kde better than gnome
[02:50] <jende_> witerain: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27610/
[02:50] <Lam_> but it's more for my computer illiterate friend
[02:50] <intelikey> wasn't my point but, ok.
[02:50] <Lam_> i'll probably do KDE since it seems more like windows and would be less confusing
[02:50] <jende_> witerain: what you should do is that: print the modified sources.list
[02:50] <Lam_> thanks
[02:50] <intelikey> np
[02:51] <witerain> i copyed it
[02:51] <jende_> I hope that the sources.list, you've posted is still open in kate
[02:51] <jende_> witerain: N O!!!
[02:51] <witerain> sure
[02:51] <witerain> what no?
[02:51] <jende_> witerain: don't copy it
[02:52] <witerain> no i copy http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27609/ to my soucrec.lst
[02:52] <jende_> witerain: you don't copy anything at all at this point
[02:52] <intelikey> jende_ i don't think..... ummm never mind now.
[02:52] <witerain> no?..
[02:52] <witerain> i take it bake
[02:52] <witerain> waiting
[02:53] <jende_> can you print he modified sources.list?
[02:53] <jende_> can you print the modified sources.list?
[02:54] <mkara> Hi again people.
[02:54] <witerain> can i ask....modified from where
[02:55] <mkara> Can someone please tell me if it is possible to connect to a wireless network via a usb adapter on Kubuntu? if so, how?
[02:55] <jende_> witerain: here is the modofied sources.list for you http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27610/
[02:56] <witerain> oh..well..
[02:56] <witerain> so sould i past it to...
[02:56] <jende_> mkara: it is possibel, but make sure that you get a USB which is supported by Linux
[02:57] <jende_> witerain: I did say print it
[02:57] <jende_> witerain: I didn't say paste for a real good reason
[02:57] <mkara> it has no linux driver but they say it can be used with ndiswrapper
[02:57] <BonBonTheJon> mkara: I have had good luck with atheros chips
[02:57] <jende_> mkara: have fun
[02:57] <witerain> yes...
[02:58] <jende_> witerain: so just pprint it if its possible
[02:58] <jende_> mkara: you're with edgy?
[02:58] <mkara> yes
[02:59] <jende_> mkara: be careful with USB
[02:59] <mkara> but not right now bec I am not able to connect to internet on edgy
[02:59] <morphish> mkara: a wireless adapter to linux is just that, if usb, pcmcia or pci is not so much important as having the right driver, my bcm4318 in my amd64 laptop only works with ndiswrapper, just like any other wireless adapter, i just can't give you kubuntu specific answer
[02:59] <intelikey> i'd reject it just on general principal and be vocal about it.   "no! i won't buy your product.    GET IT ?"    and go find something that was supported.
[03:00] <intelikey> but that's just me.
[03:00] <mkara> :)
[03:00] <Ash-Fox> Ack, gam_server is taking 100% cpu, and killing it just restarts it
[03:00] <morphish> mkara: if you can exchange the usb wifi stick, the hawkings tech USB 54g stick worked for me both on ppc and armeb cpus, using the zd1211 driver, just a thought
[03:00] <jende_> we had in the last 48hrs several unsolveable issues in here with wlan chipsets; such as atheros and TI acx series
[03:01] <intelikey> marketers do get the clue-by-four up side the head, if you make it plain enough.
[03:01] <mike> http://guidetolinux.wetpaint.com/
[03:01] <jende_> morphish: on edgy?
[03:01] <mike> anyone here have lots of free time
[03:02] <jende_> all issues were with edgy NOT dapper
[03:02] <morphish> jende_: i run edgy for two days or so, i usually run source based distros, but didn't feel like dealing with compiling on a duron 1.3GHz, so sorry, no, i was commenting basically merely on drivver support in linux , especially since i recently saw the zd1211 pop up in the kernel sources
[03:02] <intelikey> mike.  yeah  but you wont get any of it.  that's why i have some.....  :)
[03:04] <jende_> morphish: have you made an apt-get update && dist-upgrade since? If not, my advice is:DON'T
[03:05] <mkara> Actually the adapter was working on Pardus ( a distro from Turkey ) with ndiswrapper but I couldnt use it bec It didnt support wpa-psk encription. is it supported on kubuntu dapper or edgy ?
[03:05] <jende_> mp
[03:05] <morphish> jende_: um, i have not, but this flashy thing in the systray i hae answered, not knowing the tools yet, i am afraid it is similar to what you just typed out, last night there were 323 packages, and today 45 or so, why, what did i break?
[03:05] <BonBonTheJon> mkara: what adapter is it
[03:05] <BonBonTheJon> mkara: what chipset
[03:05] <mkara> AirTies WUS200
[03:05] <LjL> jende_: why dist-upgrade bad?
[03:06] <intelikey> morphish if it didn't break anything, don't worry about it.
[03:06] <jende_> morphish: basically, there were some major changes which fdoving and I figured out today
[03:06] <morphish> that reminds me i had this cpi wifi adapter, works out of the box, i mean, module is loaded and eth1 is in both ifconfig and iwconfig
[03:07] <morphish> jende_: well i have not rebooted yet, is it something that affects booting? (X restarted fine, didn't see a need to reboot though)
[03:07] <jende_> thing is as long as the box runs, we discovered, everything is for some reasons still fine; once you reboot it some, basically most in here today had to downgrade to get there wifi back to live
[03:07] <BonBonTheJon> mkara: if you get ndiswrapper working, you can add support for wpa-psk
[03:08] <mkara> how?
[03:08] <morphish> jende_: oh, ok, good, i am not depending on wifi :)
[03:08] <BonBonTheJon> !wpa
[03:08] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:08] <mkara> I dont have internet connection on Kubuntu yet
[03:08] <morphish> i just slapped the adapter in in case i decide to go headless and put the box in the garage
[03:09] <jende_> morphish: some were and havent understood that edgy isn't yet in stable and were disappointed
[03:09] <mkara> :/topic #kubuntu
[03:09] <intelikey> hmmmm i have updates in dapper too.....    libksba8 xinit
[03:09] <mike> can somone help me write a linux wiki here: http://guidetolinux.wetpaint.com
[03:09] <intelikey> 2 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[03:09] <intelikey> wonder if that will break xinit  or not.....
[03:10] <morphish> intelikey: time to find out!
[03:10] <jende_> intelikey: as much as I could observe today a upgrade/update on dapper is okay
[03:11] <mkara> Ok. I am going to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs . After reading it, I will come back here if I cannot solve the problem. Thanks a lot.
[03:12] <intelikey> jende_ k.   hehhe was kinka one of those   "i wonder what this button does  {click} <BOOM!>   oh that ! "    :)
[03:12] <intelikey> !wifi
[03:12] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:13] <jende_> mates, I'm going to have a bi of a nap now
[03:13] <ny0n> anyone in here good with freebsd?
[03:13] <BonBonTheJon> sweet dreams jende_
[03:13] <LjL> !offtopic
[03:13] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[03:14] <intelikey> well i got an "ok 2" on that script so it didn't break any package (or dpkg).
[03:17] <Mez> evening all
[03:17] <Mez> ny0n -> #freebsd
[03:18] <BonBonTheJon> hi Mez
[03:18] <Mez> is everybody having fun today? (and using katapult to make the fun quicker?)
[03:19] <LjL> hardly ever use katapult
[03:19] <Mez> LjL - :(
[03:21] <abattoir> Mez: katapult rocks ;)
[03:21] <Mez> abattoir, thankyou ;)
[03:22] <LjL> didn't say it doesn't. just said i don't use it.
[03:22] <Mez> LjL, I know - I read it that way - still a shame you dont use it... is there any reason you dont... ?
[03:23] <LjL> Mez: 1) the GUI programs i use the most are just a few, and i've got the Quick Launcher panel applet for that, which even automatically knows which programs i use the most 2) normally i have a console open
[03:24] <excitatory> i pretty much use katapult for kcalc.. heh..
[03:24] <Mez> 1) planned feature to remember what you use most and 2) yeah, same here, or at least yakuake sitting there
[03:24] <excitatory> i'm trying to remember it knows files too though.
[03:24] <Mez> excitatory, I mily use it for amarok ;)
[03:24] <Mez> I've never really used it for files (though I do like the new preview option I coded)
[03:24] <excitatory> amarok is ever-running on this box.
[03:24] <abattoir> Mez: katapult wasn't fixed to handle the new '.' in amarok? in edgy?
[03:25] <abattoir> Mez: in the path, that is
[03:25] <excitatory> well, i restart it after a new svn build.. but that's about it..
[03:25] <Mez> abattoir, it's a bit weird, works for some, doesnt for others... I'm fixing it atm actually
[03:25] <afex> heh all, is there anyway to replace the konqueror link on the panel to something else? (namely firefox)
[03:25] <abattoir> Mez: oh, so the fix won't get into edgy, right?
[03:26] <Mez> abbatoir, hopefully...
[03:27] <BonBonTheJon> afex: you can get rid of the konqueror link and put a firefox link
[03:27] <intelikey> hmmmm i just found out that i don't have anyway to close applications in my gui .....   ooops.
[03:28] <troy> argh! pity koffice packages are totally busted for amd64...
[03:28] <afex> BonBonTheJon: how do i go about doing that? thanks.
[03:28] <intelikey> i guess i can open an xterm and issue a killall on them.  but there should be a button....
[03:28] <BonBonTheJon> afex: you should be able to right click on it and do remove
[03:29] <afex> BonBonTheJon: awesome, found it.  thanks.  didn't realize there was a context menu there
[03:29] <BonBonTheJon> afex: then right click and you can add a link
[03:29] <Jucato> intelikey: Ctrl+Alt+Esc don't work?
[03:29] <intelikey> afex  kde== right click everything.
[03:29] <intelikey> Jucato no.  twm.
[03:30] <Jucato> aah...
[03:30] <intelikey> hey i can turn it on tho....
[03:30] <Jucato> :P
[03:30] <intelikey> Jucato ty that pointed the right dirrection.
[03:31] <jmichaelx> i added "/dev/hdb1    /media/linux ext3  nls=utf8,umask=0222 0    0" to the end of my /etc/fstab in an attempt to get my kubuntu hard drive to mount and show up in konqueror, but it doesn't work. could anyone tell me what i need to change?
[03:33] <intelikey> jmichaelx extfs doesn't do psiudo permissions
[03:33] <jmichaelx> ok, what should i change?
[03:33] <intelikey> i.e. umask and ext are mutually exclusive
[03:33] <jmichaelx> ahh
[03:33] <Jucato> intelikey: they are?
[03:33] <intelikey> man mount
[03:34] <jmichaelx> ok.... i should remove umask and probably change ext3 to ext2fs?
[03:35] <intelikey> umask is a dosfs thing.   msdos vfat ntfs   because there is no permissions bit on those file systems mount sets a vertual permissions bit.  the *mask.
[03:35] <Jucato> vfat, ntfs, and hfs to be exact
[03:35] <jmichaelx> how about those 2 zeros at the end?
[03:35] <intelikey> msdos also iirc
[03:36] <intelikey> floppy disks
[03:36] <jmichaelx> i am just trying to work around a bug in edgy... that being that /etc/fstab is not configured properly
[03:36] <intelikey> jmichaelx the two trailing goose eggs are needed.
[03:37] <Jucato> well msdos and fat have the same options, it seems
[03:37] <jmichaelx> ok ty
[03:37] <intelikey> Jucato yep
[03:38] <jmichaelx> ok, does "/dev/hdb1    /media/linux ext2fs  nls=utf8 0    0" look like something reasonable?
[03:39] <intelikey> Jucato for all practical purposes msdos fs is depreciated you can mount it as vfat every thing from fat12 through fat32 can be mounted vfat
[03:39] <afex> do i need to jump through any hoops to get audio working? the my system info detects both my onboard sound and sound blaster live! card but i'm not sure if there is anything else ineed to do
[03:40] <jmichaelx> nevermind, i think i have this figured out
[03:40] <Jucato> fat12? isn't that fat16?
[03:40] <intelikey> Jucato no.  fat12 fat16 fat16-e fat32
[03:40] <Jucato> aaah
[03:41] <federico_> hello, I need help
[03:41] <intelikey> Jucato it was 32m max size iirc.
[03:41] <federico_> what shoul I install xlg or 3ddesk?
[03:42] <intelikey> Jucato there was an fat8  hehhe prolly not in your life time tho  :)
[03:42] <Jucato> lol
[03:42] <federico_> ayudenme cono
[03:43] <BonBonTheJon> !xgl
[03:43] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL)  -  Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager  -  Help in #ubuntu-xgl  -  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[03:43] <BonBonTheJon> federico_: ^^^
[03:43] <max0_> hi, how do you turn on the dropdown menu from the taskbars transparancy on in KDE
[03:44] <virtex> Hello everyone
[03:44] <BonBonTheJon> hi virtex
[03:44] <federico_> the thing is that it seems a little complicated to install it
[03:44] <intelikey> sorry i missed this. <jmichaelx> ok.... i should remove umask and probably change ext3 to ext2fs? <--- no if it is ext3 mount it as ext3   the alternative would be ext2 btw not ext2fs
[03:44] <federico_> I am a new linux user
[03:44] <jmichaelx> ty intelikey
[03:45] <BonBonTheJon> federico_: xgl is still in alpha, it might be a little too much work for a beginner
[03:45] <virtex> i got a two questions if someones not too busy, i'm also not in a huge hurry right at the moment
[03:45] <rawrness> I can sware a flash guide to setting up would be a great project
[03:45] <BonBonTheJon> virtex: just ask the question
[03:46] <intelikey> jmichaelx again if you want an individual to notice your posts, prepend their nick.  it gets attention.   *high lights*
[03:46] <max0_> BonBonTheJon: when does XGL come out of alpha? do you know
[03:46] <BonBonTheJon> federico_: if you want to try #ubuntu-xgl
[03:46] <BonBonTheJon> max0_: no, I don't use it, my graphics card isnt powerful enough
[03:46] <virtex> yea the usual... lol :) i downloaded some software from sourceforge, for converting video to psp format, but there appears to be no make command so the install.sh fails... any idea ?
[03:47] <max0_> does anyone know when XGL will come out of alpha?
[03:47] <intelikey> !b-e > virtex
[03:47] <federico_> ummm... so if it is complicated for me... should I try 3ddesk?
[03:47] <virtex> Thanks :)
[03:48] <BonBonTheJon> federico_: 3ddesk is a lot easier
[03:48] <peacekpr> intelikey: thanks again for the help
[03:48] <intelikey> virtex also of note.  you might want to check the repos for a deb package of the same    i.e.  apt-cache search blah
[03:49] <virtex> yea i haven't really found anything related to the psp at all for linux.
[03:49] <BonBonTheJon> intelikey: what is the difference between 'apt-cache search blah' and 'dpkg -l | grep blah'
[03:49] <max0_> federico: http://www.freelists.org/archives/3ddesktop-dev/ the dev package for 3ddesk
[03:49] <intelikey> psp - Perl Server Pages - Web scripting environment runtime   ????
[03:50] <federico_> I download the package (3ddesk) and installed it, but when I try to launch it in the terminal...
[03:50] <federico_> 3ddesk
[03:50] <federico_> Attempting to start 3ddesktop server.
[03:50] <federico_> Daemon started.  Run 3ddesk to activate.
[03:50] <federico_> Server not found after waiting 5 seconds.
[03:50] <federico_> Could not find server.
[03:50] <federico_> Try starting manually (3ddeskd)
[03:50] <intelikey> BonBonTheJon compare the two and tell me.
[03:50] <virtex> video convertor for the psp.... PlayStation Portable ;)
[03:50] <Jucato> !pastebin
[03:50] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[03:50] <BonBonTheJon> federico_: you need to first do '3ddeskd'
[03:50] <Jucato> BonBonTheJon: actually running "3ddesk" the first time would start 3ddeskd...
[03:51] <BonBonTheJon> intelikey: do you know the difference, or are you wanting to knopw
[03:51] <Jucato> he needs to have 3d accelerated graphics card
[03:51] <Jucato> and the proper drivers for it
[03:51] <intelikey> BonBonTheJon yes
[03:51] <federico_> ok... so what should I do?
[03:52] <max0_> hi, how do you turn on the dropdown menu from the taskbars transparancy on in KDE
[03:52] <Jucato> federico_: what is your video card? did you install the binary drivers for it?
[03:53] <federico_> good question... is ATI a video card?
[03:53] <Jucato> federico_: yes
[03:53] <Jucato> !ati
[03:53] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:53] <Jucato> federico_: ^^^^^^^^^^
[03:54] <BonBonTheJon> intelikey: apt-cache '3ddesktop - "Three-dimensional" desktop switcher'
[03:54] <BonBonTheJon> intelikey: dpkg 'rc  3ddesktop                              0.2.9-5.1ubuntu1                       "Three-dimensional" desktop switcher'
[03:54] <intelikey> BonBonTheJon example;  echo "`apt-cache search bash` *************************************** `dpkg -l | grep bash` " | less     but dpkg -l bash     would work too.
[03:54] <max0_> hi, how do you turn on the dropdown menu from the taskbars transparancy on in KDE
[03:54] <federico_> ok... give a few minutes to read it
[03:55] <BonBonTheJon> max0_: what do you mean, please rephrase
[03:55] <max0_> how do you run "3ddesktop" from knosole?
[03:55] <max0_> BonBonTheJon: transparency in the dropdown menu(k menu)
[03:56] <intelikey> this is linux,  there's not a "right" way to do things.  there is your way, my way, and other ways.  but none that is really above the others.  it's all in what you want and how you like to get there.
[03:56] <maziah> just downloaded kubuntu for m laptop, what a dream.. even the wireless works!
[03:56] <Jucato> max0_: I'm not sure it might be in System Settings > Appearance > Style (warning, I'm not 100% sure, I'm not on Linux right now..)
[03:57] <max0_> ha, ill try
[03:57] <BonBonTheJon> max0_: i confirm Jucato's tip
[03:57] <intelikey> linux began and has only grown from the desire for "another option"
[03:57] <max0_> do you knwo how to run 3ddesktop form a terminal?
[03:57] <BonBonTheJon> max0_: its on the effect tab
[03:57] <max0_> thanks BonBon
[03:57] <Jucato> BonBonTheJon: I was right? wow
[03:57] <Jucato> O_O
[03:58] <max0_> and thanks Jucato for the tip
[03:58] <BonBonTheJon> Jucato: I just looked it up; you know more than you thought
[03:58] <Jucato> lol... residual memory :)
[03:58] <Jucato> darn I really need to get my PC back..
[03:58] <intelikey> Jucato face it.  you don't know all you know about kde.
[03:59] <max0_> haha
[03:59] <Jucato> intelikey: lol
[03:59] <intelikey> :)
[03:59] <maziah> who cares what he knows, u should worry about what you know!
[03:59] <max0_> intelikey is a smart guy, helped me out with some xorg issues
[03:59] <maziah> and if he knows more, good on him!
[03:59] <mkara> Hi. I am back with this from the wireless wiki: "If you are using WEP encryption the next box is to set the key type that's set up. Note that you can not set up WPA encryption in a gui enviroment as of Feb 2006 but it is being developed and will come in the future.". Is it still unsupported?
[04:00] <intelikey> maziah did i raddle your cage ?     didn't mean to....
[04:00] <Jucato> max0_: about 3D Desktop, you can start it even with Alt+F2. the command to start the daemon (which runs in the backround) is "3ddeskd". the command to get snapshots of the desktops is "3ddesk --acquire", and the command to activate it is "3ddek"
[04:00] <max0_> thanks
[04:00] <maziah> na i was just having a bite of the hotdog :D
[04:01] <Jucato> s/raddle/rattle ??
[04:01] <maziah> oh dude, lol
[04:04] <mkara> Any ideas about using wpa encription on kubuntu?
[04:05] <federico_> umm... I think I am going to wait for some friend of mine to help with the whole installation
[04:05] <maziah> bugga ias just att a page on writing ur ssl keys
[04:05] <maziah> for encryption
[04:05] <BonBonTheJon> mkara: I think it works, but I dont know how to set it up
[04:05] <maziah> tho i cant recall if it was wpa or wep
[04:05] <federico_> meanwhile I have some other question if you can kindly help me
[04:06] <Mez> federico_, go ahead and ask your questions - if we can answer them, we will
[04:06] <federico_> I have a notebook acer aspire 5102 that have incorporated a webcam
[04:07] <federico_> kubuntu is unable to recognize the webcam, and the drivers in the webpage of acer are all for windows
[04:07] <tony_> can someone help with my USB ports not working in Kubuntu?
[04:07] <maziah> my apt-get update doesnt seem to work, i have tried using the generated sources.list from http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic, nz and au ones
[04:08] <maziah> all seem to timeout
[04:08] <federico_> A friend of mine told me that he knows that the are some drivers emulators of windows for linux... do you any?
[04:08] <maziah> though my browser works fine when i go to the links in the address bar
[04:08] <Mez> tony_, what do you mean by "not working"
[04:09] <Mez> federico_, you mean to run windows programs on linux?
[04:09] <federico_> the windows drivers
[04:10] <Mez> drivers for your hardware?
[04:10] <federico_> as the matter of fact I have a problem with wine, cause I my notebook is amd64... do you what i couldo do with that?
[04:10] <tony_> Mez: I have a webcam plugged in and it doesnt see it. I was in here this morning and they had me run lusb and it didnt work.
[04:10] <afex> what are some fool-proof steps to getting video playback working?
[04:10] <jmichaelx> how many people have been asking how to install flash 9 beta the last day or so??
[04:11] <afex> kaffeine can tell how long a video file is, but wont play it
[04:11] <federico_> well I am not really sure how does it work
[04:13] <federico_> hahaha... I have the temptation to go back and use MS windows
[04:13] <starsky-hutchy> !windows
[04:13] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. Also see http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 - !equivalents - http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[04:14] <jmichaelx> !flash9
[04:14] <ubotu> Flash player 9 beta has been released. You can download it here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/custom/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for edgy)
[04:14] <jmichaelx> sweet
[04:15] <mkara> !wpa
[04:15] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:18] <noex> Anyone around?
[04:18] <max0> hi, where should i go for 3ddesktop help?
[04:18] <federico_> I am... but I dont know anythin!
[04:18] <starsky-hutchy> !xgl
[04:18] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL)  -  Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager  -  Help in #ubuntu-xgl  -  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[04:19] <noex> Starsku-hutchy: Hells yah.
[04:19] <noex> max0: XGL and Compiz are good places to start
[04:19] <starsky-hutchy> noex, :)
[04:19] <Jucato> max0: what's the problem?
[04:19] <noex> There is a pretty good tutorial for those to floating around also.
[04:21] <noex> Hey starsky, how long have you been using ubuntu?
[04:21] <ironcladlou> I just installed Kubuntu 6.10 RC from a clean text-based install (alternate disc). During install, it detected my PCMCIA Belkin Wireless G card as ath0. After install, however, the card has disappeared from KDE. Neither the control panel nor KNetworkManager can see it. Ideas?
[04:23] <morphish> anyone here using zope? or know of a light CMS for which there is a package for kubuntu?
[04:24] <max0> Jucarto: i start 3ddesk and i get this error http://pastebin.ca/212868
[04:24] <mando> !games
[04:24] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[04:25] <Jucato> max0: have you installed the binary driver for your video card?
[04:25] <mando> !acer
[04:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about acer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:25] <max0> no
[04:25] <mando> !wifi
[04:25] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:25] <Jucato> max0: you need that
[04:25] <max0> how?
[04:26] <ironcladlou> I should also mention: in Kubuntu 6.06, this card worked just fine with a stock install+KNetworkManager
[04:26] <Jucato> max0: what's your video card?
[04:27] <max0> intel i810
[04:27] <teledyn> anyone know what's up with menus?  i'm installing a lot of stuff and its not updating the menu
[04:27] <Jucato> max0: oh built-in?
[04:27] <max0> yes
[04:28] <Jucato> hm.. I don't think that would do. you need 3d hardware acceleration, afaik
[04:28] <max0> my card has that
[04:30] <CVirus> teledyn: kbuildsycoca
[04:30] <max0> how do i install the binary drivers
[04:30] <CVirus> _max_: there are no binary drivers for your card
[04:31] <CVirus> max0: ^
[04:31] <CVirus> max0: there is a kernel module already
[04:31] <CVirus> max0: glxinfo | greo direct
[04:31] <CVirus> max0: glxinfo | grep direct
[04:32] <max0> same error as in my pastebin http://pastebin.ca/212868
[04:33] <CVirus> lemem see
[04:33] <CVirus> lemme*
[04:34] <CVirus> max0: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-driver-i810
[04:35] <Brydenn33> ok i need help finding a way to unRar .rar files
[04:35] <Brydenn33> what program should i use? or what's the best option?
[04:35] <max0> CVirus: http://pastebin.ca/212877
[04:35] <CVirus> !rar
[04:35] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[04:36] <CVirus> !unrar
[04:36] <ubotu> unrar is rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression  There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[04:36] <CVirus> !info unrar-free
[04:36] <ubotu> unrar-free: Unarchiver for .rar files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.0.1-2 (dapper), package size 15 kB, installed size 84 kB
[04:36] <Jucato> CVirus: I think the unrar-free doesn't decompress the latest RAR versions?
[04:36] <CVirus> Jucato: no idea
[04:36] <Jucato> :)
[04:37] <CVirus> max0: do you have universe and multiverse repos. enabled ?
[04:37] <max0> whats that
[04:37] <CVirus> !universe
[04:37] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:37] <CVirus> max0: use that link
[04:39] <max0> what about repositories?
[04:39] <CVirus> max0: will you read the page ?
[04:39] <max0> its about repositories
[04:39] <max0> errr
[04:39] <max0> dapper
[04:39] <max0> i run edgy
[04:39] <CVirus> max0: how long have you been using Linux ?
[04:39] <max0> month?
[04:40] <CVirus> max0: and who the fuck told you to use Edgy ?
[04:40] <max0> me
[04:40] <Mez> CVirus, moderate your language
[04:40] <CVirus> Mez: sorry about that
[04:40] <Jucato> max0: then just substitute dapper references with edgy in that wiki...
[04:40] <Mez> CVirus, dont be sorry - just dont do it ;)
[04:40] <Jucato> lol
[04:41] <zorba64> Edgy requires permission to use??
[04:41] <max0> ok
[04:41] <Jucato> max0: you might be wondering why CVirus reacted that way. it's because Edgy (final release) hasn't been released yet. so you're usng something not 100% stable yet
[04:41] <Mez> zorba64, it's available, but it's in an unstable form atm
[04:42] <Jucato> it's stable for the most part, but until the final release, it's not recommended to use as a main system
[04:42] <Mez> zorba64 - nvm me
[04:42] <CVirus> Mez: its stable now
[04:42] <zorba64> i know i am using it...is max0 being a problem?
[04:42] <Jucato> well, we can't really give a "100% Stable" stamp of approval until it's final release...
[04:42] <max0> Jucarto: i know its not stable
[04:42] <Mez> zorba64, he's probably having a problem, not being one ;)
[04:42] <Jucato> but this is beyond max0's problem
[04:42] <max0> final is 26th this month
[04:42] <federico_> thank you all for the information!!!
[04:43] <federico_> see you later
[04:43] <max0> and no, no problems with edgy
[04:43] <max0> just some 3ddesktop problems
[04:43] <zorba64> the stable one isn't even stable...so...go figure
[04:43] <max0> there is no edgy stable
[04:43] <CVirus> zorba64: the stable isnt stable .. thats a good reason to use unstable
[04:43] <zorba64> am referring to dapper and the X stuff ups
[04:44] <max0> oh
[04:44] <Jucato> basically, max0's problem is a driver that would allow him to use 3d hardware acceleration of his IGP
[04:44] <zorba64> exactly...as stable is as stable gets
[04:44] <CVirus> max0: just enable the universe and multiverse repos. and install the packge I told you about
[04:44] <max0> doin it now
[04:45] <zorba64> nuthin much...just shooting the shit with no one in particular :)
[04:45] <Jucato> ok, just to stop the discussion, let's just say that on Oct. 26, Edgy wil be as stable as it can get, despite being edgy. ok?
[04:46] <zorba64> is max) a ati or nvidia man with probs?
[04:46] <intelikey> zorba64 hehhe i never ask an os to be more stabel than i am.... :)
[04:46] <zorba64> good point intelikey...no need to be too demanding
[04:46] <Jucato> zorba64: Intel IGP, which according to him has 3d acceleration
[04:47] <intelikey> have him lshw the thing and pastebin it.
[04:47] <zorba64> Jucato, welll...acording to intel anyway...plenty would probably disagree no doubt
[04:48] <zorba64> what driver would work with that beast anyway...out of curiosity
[04:48] <max0> can you send that link again?
[04:49] <max0> neverminf
[04:49] <max0> d
[04:49] <zorba64> max0...not paying attention again...to the back of the room with you
[04:49] <CVirus> zorba64: xserver-xorg-driver-i810
[04:49] <corey> hello all
[04:49] <max0> no, i had to restart
[04:49] <noex> Anyone have a moment to hit me up in a private message?
[04:50] <max0> and then i looked in my tray and the fox was still open with the restart
[04:50] <zorba64> ah that one...remember it well...(shudders theatrically)
[04:50] <max0> restart? i mean page
[04:51] <Mez> noex, ask out here... you're more than likely to find someone who can answer you
[04:51] <zorba64> noex, you trolling for something?
[04:51] <noex> Not trolling, just looking for some advise, new to having a full install of linux and looking for some advice. I have read the FAQ and most of the Ubuntu wiki.
[04:52] <Mez> zorba, I think the word you were looking for is "trawling" not trolling ;)
[04:52] <noex> Hah
[04:52] <Mez> noex, go ahead and ask out here :D
[04:52] <Mez> if you ask out here, other people lurking can learn, not just you ;)
[04:53] <intelikey> did i hear a lurk ?
[04:54] <noex> Well, I will just out myself, I am new to linux, in the desktop form. I just installed ubuntu and was curious if I need to download hardware specific drivers.
[04:54] <intelikey> noex depends,  what is not working for you ?
[04:54] <Jucato> "I will just out myself"... that sounds a bit... um.. strange... :)
[04:55] <noex> I only have a single peripheral device, which is my graphics card.. and I think I have that covered from the synaptic package manager (nvida drivers).
[04:55] <noex> Lol, yeh, well, it was a poor attempt at a joke:)
[04:55] <intelikey> !ati
[04:55] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:55] <intelikey> but if you don't need it don't mess with it.
[04:55] <noex> (Alreadu installed all that.. as I mentioned, I read the whole wiki and faq)
[04:56] <max0> CVirus: ok, there enabled
[04:56] <noex> My question is more focused on motherboard drivers.. any ideas there?
[04:56] <Jucato> noex: if you installed nvidia-glx already with no problems, then it's ok now
[04:56] <intelikey> noex like i said.  tell us what is not working like you want it to and maybe we can help.
[04:56] <noex> So for a new install, you fellows don't download drivers specifically for your motherboard or sound chips.
[04:56] <Mez> I've never understood the need for motherboard drivers
[04:57] <intelikey> noex no.
[04:57] <noex> Intelikey, everything is working, I am just asking if I should download something for even better performance.
[04:57] <noex> Ah, very cool.
[04:57] <Jucato> noex: not really, unless we need to. I download the NVIDIA driver though
[04:57] <noex> As I mentioned, still very used to Windows environment for desktop usage.
[04:57] <max0> CVirus: ok, there enabled
[04:57] <Mez> noex, the only thing I can possibly suggest is a kernel more specific to your compiler
[04:57] <BonBonTheJon> noex: you might want to get a kernel version appropriate for your processor
[04:57] <Jucato> noex: there are no "motherboard" drivers in Linux, afaik
[04:57] <Mez> s/compiler/processor/
[04:58] <noex> Yes, I have installed the nvidia drivers, nice difference.
[04:58] <Mez> BonBonTheJon, ha, beat ya!
[04:58] <intelikey> noex we (maybe i should speek for myself) i generally use "if it aint broke, don't fix it"  and go.
[04:58] <sacha_> noex, when you compile the kernel -- you should compile all relevant drivers there
[04:58] <sacha_> that's not related to desktop at all, should do that without desktop too
[04:58] <Jucato> Mez: actually, for edgy, there won't be need for processor specific kernels (except for 64-bt and PPC I think)
[04:58] <noex> Ah, cool deal, any good howto on doing that, I would like to read up.
[04:58] <BonBonTheJon> sacha_: you don't need to compile the kernel
[04:58] <BonBonTheJon> is there a way to check if my video card would be supported by the ati binary driver
[04:59] <sacha_> yeah by default it should have everything and you can compile modules if need be
[04:59] <Mez> Jucato... ?
[04:59] <noex> When I mention desktop, I am refering to the type of computer system, not the GUI (just for as a side note).
[04:59] <sacha_> since you are in the desktop right now, noex, you don't need anything else
[04:59] <sacha_> it already has all the standard drivers as modules or builtin
[04:59] <Jucato> Starting edgy, they wil roll out a generic kernel for 386 to k7 processors.
[04:59] <intelikey> noex you prolly wont gain any noticable advantage by guilding your own kernel...
[04:59] <intelikey> building
[05:00] <noex> Ah, thats good to know. I was probably going to hold off that anyhow.
[05:00] <max0> you here CVirus?
[05:00] <Mez> Jucato, er.. yet a kernel configured to your processor will still work
[05:00] <noex> I am going to get more filimiar with the system. Lucky I have a few years of SSH previous to my switch. :)
[05:00] <BonBonTheJon> has anyone updated dapper to edgy? any kinks?
[05:00] <Mez> -386 = generic kernel
[05:00] <max0> bonbon
[05:00] <max0> i did
[05:00] <Jucato> Mez: actually according to the devs, there's no difference, that's why they're rolling out a generic kernel
[05:00] <BonBonTheJon> max0: any problems
[05:01] <Jucato> something like linux-image-generic
[05:01] <max0> i dont have a link, i did it manually but it was really easy
[05:01] <max0> no no problems
[05:01] <sacha_> well i got my kernel from the 4MB generic down to 1MB and i have noticed much faster boot time
[05:01] <lunitik> BonBonTheJon: none for me
[05:01] <CVirus> max0: yes ?
[05:01] <megamasterx> hey all
[05:01] <BonBonTheJon> do I just change all instances of dapper to edgy in my sources.list
[05:01] <Jucato> Mez: of course if you compile a kernel, that might be a different case. I'm not familiar with it though
[05:01] <lunitik> Jucato: yes... this will be the default kernel though? they still have -386 -k7 etc...
[05:02] <enyawix> Mez nic driver ide sata chipset etc.
[05:02] <intelikey> sacha_ the kernel is only 1m by default.
[05:02] <max0> BonBon: yes then sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:02] <intelikey> you mean the initrd image no ?
[05:02] <noex> Any suggestions for a good media player (something that can handle streams and mp3s). I have been using Rhythmbox.
[05:02] <max0> CVirus: ok, there enabled
[05:02] <sacha_> i mean bzImage
[05:02] <Jucato> lunitik: I don't think so. maybe no more -k7 stuff
[05:02] <BonBonTheJon> max0: any ideas of what changed?
[05:02] <intelikey> hehhe sacha_ the generic *buntu kernels are ONE meg.
[05:02] <Mez> oh forget it
[05:02] <CVirus> max0: now sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-driver-i810
[05:02] <lunitik> noex: Amarok > Rhythmbox  :)
[05:03] <sacha_> i dont use an initrd
[05:03] <max0> will do, brb
[05:03] <noex> Ah, thanks for the suggestion Lunitik, any particular reasons?
[05:03] <CVirus> !schedule
[05:03] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[05:03] <lunitik> Jucato: you just guessing? I still see -k7 as I stated
[05:03] <BonBonTheJon> lunitik: any ideas of what changed
[05:03] <Jucato> ah for edgy
[05:03] <Jucato> ok if you say so
[05:03] <max0> same error
[05:03] <lunitik> noex: Amarok is pretty much the best audio player full stop... theres not much it can't do with your music...
[05:04] <Hawkwind> lunitik: I disagree since that is *your* personal opinion actually
[05:04] <sacha_> im using Noatun :S
[05:04] <noex> lunitik: installing now :)
[05:04] <Mez> lunitik, and the newest verison is ever so uber (though confusing from upgrading from 1.3 and everything moving places)
[05:04] <intelikey> i use sox
[05:04] <lunitik> BonBonTheJon: Edgy feels like a point release rather than a huge release... they have upstart and oem installation stuff... thats about it of note though other than new versions
[05:05] <Jucato> lunitik: absolutely sure?
[05:05] <BonBonTheJon> !upstart
[05:05] <ubotu> Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[05:05] <Hawkwind> lunitik: Much more than that in Edgy actually
[05:05] <Jucato> lunitik: have you seen the previous Beta/Knot release announcements?
[05:05] <lunitik> Jucato: I'm running Edgy... so about as sure as you can be...
[05:05] <max0> edgy took me a whle night
[05:05] <Hawkwind> lunitik: Then you might want to look again at your install.  There are lots of big changes
[05:07] <lunitik> Hmm... and -k7 depends -generic ... meh
[05:07] <Hawkwind> Imagine that
[05:07] <lunitik> Hawkwind: name some?
[05:07] <CVirus> !edgy
[05:07] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[05:08] <zorba64> someone in here with an identity crisis
[05:08] <Dr_willis> check out the edgy fstab, and grub configs for some interesging changes
[05:08] <Hawkwind> lunitik: #Ubuntu+1 and they will tell you all about Edgy since that is the Edgy channel
[05:11] <Mez> !fiery
[05:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fiery - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:11] <Mez> !fiesty
[05:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fiesty - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:11] <BonBonTheJon> !fawn
[05:11] <Jucato> Mez: I think it's "Feisty" :)
[05:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fawn - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:11] <Hawkwind> It's not in the bot yet
[05:11] <lunitik> Feisty Fawn
[05:11] <BonBonTheJon> must be too new
[05:11] <Hawkwind> Under any spelling AFAIK
[05:12] <Jucato> yeah. well let's wait for Edgy to come out before adding it :P
[05:12] <Mez> !feisty is the codename for ubuntu 7.04
[05:12] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Mez
[05:12] <User_linux> how do I install via audio drivers????
[05:12] <Jucato> lol ok..
[05:13] <cellofellow> Is there a way to reorganize whole toolbars in firefox? I can't seem to get Google toolbar to go above the Bookmarks toolbar.
[05:14] <noex> lunitik: Should amaroK work directly after install? I can't seem to get the streams or mp3's to work on it.
[05:14] <noex> !amarok
[05:14] <ubotu> amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.3 and packages are available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org
[05:15] <BonBonTheJon> !mp3
[05:15] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:15] <cellofellow> noex: I think u need the libxine-extracodecs package
[05:15] <MegaMasterX> !nvidia
[05:15] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:15] <MegaMasterX> :)
[05:15] <noex> I was able to stream using Rhythmbox, but cannot from amaroK, does that make sense?
[05:16] <cellofellow> yes
[05:16] <cellofellow> amarok uses xine and xine needs libxine-extracodecs
[05:16] <intelikey> Jucato remember the no quit button question?  i set up twm to allow ^@[esc]    and it works on apps that don't have a menu.  but for some reason apps with a menu ignore it.....  ;/
[05:16] <noex> Ah, ok. I will go grab up xine. Thanks cellofellow
[05:16] <Jucato> oh? that's strange then...
[05:16] <cellofellow> anyone know about firefox toolbars.
[05:16] <cellofellow> noex: it should be already there if you can play ogg files.
[05:17] <intelikey> jah /me tinks so....
[05:17] <MegaMasterX> !mono
[05:17] <ubotu> mono: Mono CLI (.NET) runtime. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu3.1 (dapper), package size 1 kB, installed size 24 kB
[05:17] <MegaMasterX> It's not 1kb....
[05:17] <MegaMasterX> is it?
[05:17] <cellofellow> the only thing I use mono for is beagle
[05:17] <lunitik> noex: in both cases, its mp3 issues... and in both cases... install libxine-extracodecs from universe
[05:17] <zorba64> MegaMasterX: it will drag in what it needs...a "metapackage"
[05:17] <lunitik> noex: no such proprietary things will work without installing from multiverse (or in some cases elsewhere)
[05:18] <noex> Ah, makes sense.
[05:18] <intelikey> !mp3
[05:18] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:18] <noex> Thanks for the explaination.
[05:18] <intelikey> but you know that already, seeing that you have read the wiki
[05:18] <cellofellow> firefox toolbars?
[05:19] <MegaMasterX> !firefox
[05:19] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[05:19] <intelikey> cellofellow  swimncello?
[05:19] <cellofellow> well, its just I want to reorganize the toolbars, and not just the buttons on them.
[05:19] <cellofellow> intelikey: what???
[05:19] <intelikey> nm.
[05:20] <intelikey> mistook you for someone i know.
[05:20] <noex> Fixed it up, thanks alot guys!
[05:20] <noex> It's going to be much nicer to read all of these help guides to music :)
[05:21] <intelikey> sorry josh.   my bad.
[05:21] <noex> !5.1
[05:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 5.1 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:21] <noex> !sound
[05:21] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[05:21] <cellofellow> golly. you think your nick hides you but anyone can whois you and find your real name.
[05:21] <Jucato> cellofellow: don't put in you real name then
[05:21] <Jucato> :)
[05:22] <cellofellow> I can change that? wait, I remeber. there's a real name setting. yeah.
[05:22] <intelikey> if you want to hide. hide. it's simple enough.
[05:22] <cellofellow> now that you know, no worries.
[05:22] <Jucato> lol
[05:22] <intelikey> :)
[05:22] <t3hwiz0rd-server> i9 may have to reinstall my windows partition. if i do, grub will be overwritten, how can I reinstall it?
[05:23] <BonBonTheJon> !windows
[05:23] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. Also see http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 - !equivalents - http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[05:23] <BonBonTheJon> #grub
[05:23] <Jucato> !grub
[05:23] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[05:23] <Jucato> t3hwiz0rd-server: ^^^^
[05:23] <cellofellow> I installed sun java vm but firefox/swiftfox doesn't use it.
[05:23] <BonBonTheJon> i can't type
[05:23] <User_linux> how do I install via audio drivers????
[05:24] <Jucato> cellofellow: even after setting the default Java version to be used? (sudo update-alternatives)
[05:24] <cellofellow> Jucato: yes, I foolowed the wiki to the letter.
[05:24] <intelikey> man update-alternatives ?
[05:24] <Jucato> hm... you isntalled sun-java5-plugin right?
[05:24] <cellofellow> maybe.....
[05:24] <Jucato> sudo update-alternatives --config java
[05:25] <Jucato> cellofellow: "maybe" won't work :P
[05:25] <cellofellow> Jucato: did do the previous command. I thought that sun-java5-bin installed the plugin too.
[05:25] <Jucato> cellofellow: no
[05:26] <Jucato> intelikey: no spirit there. I exorcised it :P
[05:26] <intelikey> oh.
[05:26] <intelikey> Jucato maybe it changed it's nick and is now hiding   8*|
[05:26] <noex> Are XGL and Compiz resource hogs? Any huge preformace decrease?
[05:27] <Jucato> heh
[05:27] <noex> I would imagine so.
[05:27] <cellofellow> noex: they use more than xorg and kwin that's fur shur
[05:27] <Jucato> cellofellow: you probably didn't read hard enough :P "Java on Mozilla Firefox Ubuntu 6.06/Kubuntu 6.06 Sun Java5: Install it from the Applications -> Add/Remove... menu (Ubuntu only), or install the sun-java5-plugin package."
[05:27] <cellofellow> Jucato: oops
[05:28] <Jucato> cellofellow: heh :P
[05:28] <noex> Well, I think I have successfully moved into my new system, music player, flash9, wine, and gaim.
[05:28] <sacha_> someone said they were gettign 300 FPS on Beryl with an Xsomething video card (ati)
[05:28] <noex> Glad to be away from Windows before Vista comes out and annoys the piss out of me.
[05:28] <cellofellow> I read the requirements for flash9, and my decent system doesn't match.  I'm not going to try XGL with a TNT2 GPU
[05:29] <noex> cellowfellow: hah, I didn't read them sadly, anything interesting? It works quiet well for me. Before hitting up IRC I was watching LOST on abc.com
[05:30] <sacha_> why not cello? apparently it runs fine
[05:30] <noex> Do you guys run XGL?
[05:30] <cellofellow> sacha_: really? I'd have thought that SGL needed at least a GeForce of some kind.
[05:30] <zorba64> nup...tried it...nausea...pass me the bucket
[05:30] <lunitik> noex: do you have a specific question?
[05:30] <cellofellow> XGL
[05:30] <noex> Well, Vista annoys me because of the UA not because of the graphics or anything.
[05:31] <sacha_> apparently runs really well.. even on old videocards
[05:31] <lunitik> noex: you mean UI?
[05:31] <cellofellow> noex: the flash9 requierements I say said 128 video and 512 memory. Mine doesn't match.
[05:31] <noex> User Agreement.
[05:31] <zorba64> and that it requires "authorisation" for everything
[05:31] <intelikey> EULA
[05:31] <noex> You got it.
[05:31] <sacha_> he means the privilege pop ups
[05:31] <cellofellow> I've never actually agreed to an enforced M$ EULA
[05:32] <intelikey> enough reason for the whole world to refuse to use it.....
[05:32] <sacha_> hes not talking about the EULA
[05:32] <User_linux> i installed XGL using Add / remove programs, where is it now???
[05:32] <noex> Well, I am talking about hte EULA, as well as the terms of use.
[05:32] <cellofellow> sacha_: you really think XGL will run on a RIVA TNT2 16MB?
[05:32] <sacha_> hmm 16MB, worth a try
[05:32] <lunitik> User_linux: dpkg -L xserver-xgl | grep bin ...
[05:33] <noex> It just seems too intrusive to be ok with.
[05:33] <sacha_> i thought tnt2 would be 32mb
[05:33] <cellofellow> sacha_: and Vista Aero needs like 128MB. ha ha!
[05:33] <zorba64> whole this is a bit of a laff...like previous editions
[05:33] <sacha_> yes
[05:33] <jahallmighty> xgl
[05:33] <cellofellow> sacha_: for some reason mine's a 16.
[05:33] <User_linux> how do I enable xgl?
[05:33] <noex> !xgl
[05:33] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL)  -  Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager  -  Help in #ubuntu-xgl  -  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[05:34] <noex> Quiet a nice IRC Bot, btw.
[05:34] <cellofellow> User_linux: try the ubuntu-xgl channel then
[05:34] <zorba64> helpful chap
[05:34] <noex> Indeed. Pip Pip!
[05:34] <intelikey> !botsnack
[05:34] <ubotu> Yum!
[05:34] <noex> Haha
[05:34] <noex> Very nice feature.
[05:35] <zorba64> huzzah huzzah
[05:35] <cellofellow> grrrrr. I installed the sun java plugin and it installed firefox with it. I installed all of firefox's depends to use swiftfox, but got away with not haveing th actual binaries.
[05:36] <lunitik> !sacrifice zorba64
[05:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sacrifice zorba64 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:37] <lunitik> No fun  :(
[05:37] <intelikey> cellofellow welcome to "dpkg"
[05:37] <zorba64> charming chap aren't you
[05:37] <cellofellow> intelikey: yeah, if only swiftfox were in the repos.
[05:37] <lunitik> zorba64: shush, its just a fun "feature" of most bloot bots  :/
[05:38] <Eroick> is there an easy way to check MD5 sums from windows without cygwin?
[05:38] <Hawkwind> Eroick: fsum
[05:38] <zorba64> np old son...figured you was joshing wiv me
[05:38] <Hawkwind> Eroick: To verify the authenticity of a downloaded ISO image.  Command:  md5sum /path/to/file.iso Windows users: http://slavasoft.com and grab Fsum 2.51 or also check: http://www.nullriver.com/index/products/winmd5sum
[05:38] <jahallmighty> who of you knows to install a progra
[05:38] <Hawkwind> jahallmighty: sudo apt-get install <package>
[05:38] <jahallmighty> it is that i am new in this
[05:38] <zorba64> everybody does
[05:39] <User_linux> my audio driver is disabled, how do I rollback to ubuntu default audio driver?
[05:39] <Jucato> !install
[05:39] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[05:39] <ubahmapk> Eroick: http://www.google.com/search?q=md5sum+windows first entry does it
[05:39] <Jucato> er...
[05:39] <grayeul> Anyone over here know what it takes to make the /dev/eth1 device appear when wireless drivers are loaded?
[05:39] <cellofellow> what is the default? alsa? oss?
[05:39] <intelikey> alsa
[05:39] <Jucato> jahallmighty: https://help.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/add-applications.html
[05:40] <intelikey> oss is depreciated
[05:40] <User_linux> dont know, my audio device suddely turned off
[05:40] <cellofellow> intelikey: don't people still use oss?
[05:40] <intelikey> yes
[05:40] <intelikey> your point ?
[05:40] <cellofellow> no point, just a question.
[05:40] <noex> !audio
[05:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about audio - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:41] <zorba64> jahallmighty: maybe you should ask specifically...more than one way to skin a cat or install a package
[05:41] <cellofellow> !alsa
[05:41] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[05:41] <ubahmapk> people still use Windows, too, but it's been obsolete for years! :-D
[05:41] <intelikey> !sound
[05:41] <intelikey> same infonode
[05:41] <zorba64> very droll ubahmapk
[05:41] <cellofellow> ubahmapk: true
[05:41] <ubahmapk> zorba64: sorry, couldn't help it :-)
[05:41] <cellofellow> ubahmapk: no, it was really funny.
[05:41] <noex> Anyone have a good resource for setting up 5.1 sound?
[05:42] <zorba64> understand perfectly old son...apologies not necessary
[05:42] <intelikey> i absolved of the obsolete absolutely.
[05:42] <cellofellow> doesn't alsa have an advanced curses based config program?
[05:42] <intelikey> :)
[05:42] <sacha_> alsamixer
[05:42] <cellofellow> noex try that maybe
[05:43] <jahallmighty> zorba64 grase
[05:43] <zorba64> will ubahmapk return safely...stay tuned...film at 11
[05:43] <cellofellow> zorba64: lol
[05:43] <intelikey> two packages that expand alsa that you might look at.
[05:43] <intelikey> alsa-tools - Console based ALSA utilities for specific hardware
[05:43] <intelikey> alsa-tools-gui - GUI based ALSA utilities for specific hardware
[05:43] <noex> Cool, thanks guys
[05:44] <cellofellow> so, when it's finally released, how do I upgrade from dapper to edgy?
[05:45] <zorba64> cellofellow: a number of ways...
[05:45] <noex> Well, I am out for the night. Thanks alot guys, you all have been a great help. Be back tommorrow.
[05:45] <cellofellow> easiest? most proper?
[05:45] <cellofellow> cleanest?
[05:45] <intelikey> cellofellow you edit your sources.list and do two commands
[05:45] <BonBonTheJon> cellofellow: in your sources.list, change all dapper's to edgy's
[05:46] <lunitik> cellofellow: change cases of 'dapper' to 'edgy' in /etc/apt/sources.list and 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[05:46] <cellofellow> intelikey: does it boil down to changing papper to edgy?
[05:46] <cellofellow> oops
[05:46] <zorba64> cellofellow: mmm...well i did the download and burn iso and fresh install since i have home seperate
[05:46] <Jucato> cellofellow: yes. dapper to edgy
[05:46] <cellofellow> ok, sounds easy enough. will any apps or settings get changed or broken?
[05:46] <Jucato> cellofellow: of course if you have other 3rd party repos, and if you installed some stuff from those, they might cause some problems
[05:47] <zorba64> you can go that way....may need to be forcefull with apt if it doesn't play nice
[05:47] <lunitik> cellofellow: changed? yes... broken? unlikely
[05:47] <cellofellow> no 3rd parties.
[05:47] <cellofellow> lunitik: ok
[05:47] <Brydenn33> hey, anyone in here have strong C++ skillz or have wine 0.9.9 installed?
[05:47] <intelikey> papper prake to nervous salamander yeah.
[05:47] <Brydenn33> need some help with it
[05:47] <Jucato> cellofellow: well if you have a very clean system, you have nothing to fear
[05:48] <cellofellow> Jucato: just nvidia and sun and swiftfox are sort of out of the main or universe
[05:48] <cellofellow> outside of
[05:48] <zorba64> go learn more about apt while you are waiting for the upgrade
[05:48] <Jucato> cellofellow: well nvidia-glx and sun are in multiverse. swiftfox, I'm not sure how it will affect the upgrade
[05:49] <ubahmapk> success! :-)
[05:49] <cellofellow> Jucato: swiftfox is built kind of generically for Sid and ubuntu, so it should be fine.
[05:49] <zorba64> remove swiftfox before you do
[05:49] <cellofellow> ubahmapk: sweet!
[05:49] <cellofellow> zorba64: ok
[05:49] <Jucato> cellofellow: probably. we still can't be 100% sure :)
[05:49] <intelikey> hmm got a universe a multiverse and now an adverse.....
[05:49] <zorba64> if it ain't in the ubuntu repos then would be safer to remove it prior
[05:49] <zorba64> adverse??
[05:50] <cellofellow> let's see.. swiftfox, picasa, w32codecs. that's it.
[05:50] <intelikey> broken repo  :)
[05:50] <zorba64> ubahmapk: you are alive...a miracle forsooth
[05:50] <cellofellow> forgot about picasa.
[05:50] <ubahmapk> cellofellow: I was a bit concerned since adept errored out on me a few times, but then the trusty konsole fixed everything
[05:50] <ubahmapk> zorba64: miracles never cease
[05:50] <cellofellow> ubahmapk: for anything like that I aint touching adept.
[05:51] <Eroick> damn
[05:51] <zorba64> ubahmapk: did you perform sacrifice to uboto god beforehand ?
[05:51] <Eroick> bootstrap failed,corrupt package.
[05:51] <ubahmapk> cellofellow: and from this point forward, neither am I
[05:51] <Eroick> CD is corrupt
[05:51] <ubahmapk> though it's nice for simple installs when you can't remember the name of the package :-)
[05:51] <cellofellow> ubahmapk: adepts ok for some apps, but tought stuff like that it sucks.
[05:51] <ubahmapk> cellofellow: yup
[05:51] <ubahmapk> so I discovered tonight
[05:51] <zorba64> adept is still a bit young
[05:52] <cellofellow> ubahmapk: when I'm just browsing around for a program I find myself using Add/Remove Programs. adept-installer
[05:52] <ubahmapk> hadn't tried those yet
[05:52] <cellofellow> ubahmapk: same thing
[05:52] <zorba64> apt-cache search works for me
[05:52] <ubahmapk> I also like the update notices in the systray from adept
[05:53] <cellofellow> ubahmapk: adept installer is launched by the add/remove programs button
[05:53] <ubahmapk> I have used apt-cache and it is nice
[05:53] <cellofellow> ubahmapk: yeah, thos are good.
[05:53] <ubahmapk> cellofellow: hadn't tried add/remove -- reminds me too much of windows
[05:53] <ubahmapk> I know it's just the name, but...
[05:53] <sacha_> lol
[05:53] <sacha_> thats what i was thinking
[05:53] <cellofellow> ubahmapk: the name does, but I never could add any prgrams with windows add/remove programs.
[05:54] <zorba64> yeah...i removed it from the menu/renamed it to adept
[05:54] <sacha_> hah, true
[05:54] <ubahmapk> zorba64: now there's an idea!
[05:54] <sacha_> remove add/remove programs from add/remove programs?
[05:54] <Dr_willis> I thought the add/remove was a limited-adept-lite thing. :)
[05:54] <lunitik> These names are chosen just for that reason... users that are switching from the most popular desktop OS know what it is by looking at the name
[05:54] <cellofellow> i think the name is sort of newb-oriented. actually, the whole program is.
[05:54] <zorba64> like system setting...changed it to kcontrol
[05:54] <ubahmapk> lunitik: you're right.  And that's fine
[05:54] <ubahmapk> I've run linux for some time, just not debian/ubuntu
[05:55] <cellofellow> zorba64: trouble is system settings isnt't kcontrol
[05:55] <jahallmighty>
[05:55] <jahallmighty> who of you says me as she builds the framework for another porfabor computer is that I want to learn single I have 16 of age
[05:55] <zorba64> nope...but close enough for me
[05:56] <intelikey> zorba64 i use apt all the time.  but i have scripts for everything.   q    is   apt-cache search $*    s = apt-cache show $*      being lazy is so hard in a console.... you have to script everything.......   :)
[05:56] <ubahmapk> intelikey: or use 'alias'
[05:56] <sacha_> i use prt
[05:57] <zorba64> hah...showoff...:)
[05:57] <intelikey> ubahmapk that's just moving the script to a central location....
[05:57] <ubahmapk> intelikey: yup.  and? :-)
[05:57] <sacha_> prt-get depinst --installscripts $*   is good for an alias
[05:57] <jahallmighty>
[05:57] <zorba64> more identity crises
[05:57] <jahallmighty> it tell me dr_willis
[05:57] <sacha_> --install-scripts*
[05:57] <intelikey> ah.... was i trying to say something...... ?
[05:58] <ubahmapk> no idea
[05:58] <intelikey> never mind.
[05:58] <ubahmapk> I never know if I am, either :-)
[05:58] <intelikey> :
[06:00] <intelikey> sacha_ prt-get ?
[06:00] <Digital_Pioneer> Hi. I'm having some trouble with my networking. I'm connected to the network, but I can't get to zeroconf:/
[06:00] <intelikey> :)
[06:00] <sacha_> yes :D
[06:00] <ubahmapk> Ok, showing my ignorance of apt again: why have 44 packages been 'kept back' after my upgrade to eft?
[06:00] <jahallmighty> digame porfavor like estrar to another computer
[06:01] <Digital_Pioneer> Error message is: "The Zeroconf daemon (mdnsd) is not running."
[06:01] <sacha_> prt-get depinst --install-scripts $*  downloads source code of each dependancy and the package itself, configures and compiles and then installs each dependancy and package itself :)
[06:01] <ubahmapk> sacha_: sounds like gentoo :-) (which I used for some time and really liked - it was just tough on a workstation.  Still great for servers, though.)
[06:01] <sacha_> using CRUX
[06:02] <intelikey> modem resets  are detestable.
[06:02] <MegaMasterX> !tar
[06:02] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with file-roller (gnome) or ark (kde) - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[06:03] <MegaMasterX> !XServer
[06:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about XServer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:03] <MegaMasterX> !X Server
[06:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about X Server - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:03] <jda> anybody know a good how to   to install an ATi vid card in dapper
[06:03] <intelikey> tar x file
[06:03] <MegaMasterX> !X
[06:03] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:04] <intelikey> !ati > jda
[06:05] <cellofellow> why's ubotu say to use that crazy init.d command when ctrl+alt+backspace works just fine?
[06:05] <MegaMasterX> i have no clue.
[06:05] <intelikey> cellofellow cause while it works it's not clean.
[06:05] <cellofellow> oh, never mind, I see. It's for when you want to restart all the x.
[06:05] <MegaMasterX> :)
[06:05] <cellofellow> that too.
[06:05] <sacha_> killall -q kdm  .. yeah not very clean
[06:06] <MegaMasterX> agreed
[06:06] <Digital_Pioneer> OK, can someone tell me where to go for network support?...
[06:06] <MegaMasterX> is Konsole an console emulation?
[06:06] <MegaMasterX> !network
[06:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about network - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:06] <lunitik> cellofellow: ctrl+alt+backspace only works if X is accepting keystrokes... ctrl+alt+f1 will work in most cases however, except for a hard crash
[06:06] <sacha_> digital_pioneer what kind of network issue?
[06:06] <ubahmapk> !apt
[06:06] <ubotu> apt is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto  -  Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[06:06] <cellofellow> !konsole > MegaMasterX
[06:07] <Digital_Pioneer> sacha_, I'm trying to get a network going between two Kubuntu systems.
[06:07] <MegaMasterX> Woah thats cool.
[06:07] <cellofellow> lunitik: I've had some hard X freezes where the only thing that worked was SSH.
[06:07] <sacha_> share files with samba? or.. ?
[06:07] <Digital_Pioneer> sacha_, Wireless. If I open zeroconf:/, it says the Zeroconf daemon isn't running.
[06:07] <cellofellow> Digital_Pioneer: I think zeroconf is easiest.
[06:07] <Digital_Pioneer> (mdnsd)
[06:07] <sacha_> ahh wireless.. wireless scares me, sorry :P i had to use windows drivers to get my wireless card even working :(
[06:07] <Digital_Pioneer> cellofellow, Sweet. How do I get mdnsd running?
[06:07] <cellofellow> Digital_Pioneer: that's zeroconf
[06:07] <lunitik> cellofellow: and in that case... still /etc/init.d/gdm restart would likely work...  :)
[06:08] <Digital_Pioneer> sacha_, I know the feeling. I'm using Ndiswrapper right now.
[06:08] <intelikey> MegaMasterX konsole is a terminal emulator      the console is a real terminal        errr maybe i should say a real 'virtual terminal'   not that i actually know the diff.
[06:08] <cellofellow> lunitik: I'm using kubuntu thankyou. I have no gdm
[06:08] <grayeul> Is there a command to show which package a file is part of?
[06:08] <Digital_Pioneer> cellofellow, Yeah, I know, but how do I start it?
[06:08] <MegaMasterX> Oh....So it is an emulation.
[06:08] <MegaMasterX> ok.
[06:08] <lunitik> cellofellow: eh... kdm  :/
[06:08] <intelikey> grayeul apt-file
[06:09] <cellofellow> Digital_Pioneer: um, did you install avahi-deamon or whatever it is?
[06:09] <cellofellow> !avahi
[06:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about avahi - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:09] <cellofellow> !zeroconf
[06:09] <ubotu> zeroconf: IPv4 link-local address allocator. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8-3ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 39 kB, installed size 132 kB
[06:09] <grayeul> intelikey: thanks... checking something...
[06:09] <cellofellow> Digital_Pioneer: I got it going once. required some avahi package try that.
[06:09] <Digital_Pioneer> cellofellow, OK, I'm installing it.
[06:10] <intelikey> grayeul if you like cli; grep /path/to/file /var/lib/dpkg/info/*
[06:10] <Digital_Pioneer> cellofellow, Sweet. What now...?
[06:10] <intelikey> assuming the file was installed from a .deb
[06:10] <Digital_Pioneer> Zeroconf:/ opens without error, but it's empty.
[06:11] <cellofellow> Digital_Pioneer: if the deamon is running, the just go to zeroconf:/ in konqueror. you won't see anything, but if you get no errors it's working
[06:11] <grayeul> intelikey: Hmm... apt-file not found, other: too long list for args
[06:11] <cellofellow> Digital_Pioneer: so, know right click the panel and click add applet or whatever it is.
[06:11] <intelikey> ?
[06:12] <cellofellow> Digital_Pioneer: install the personal file server, it uses zerconf.
[06:12] <intelikey> grayeul; grep /bin/bash /var/lib/dpkg/info/*
[06:12] <cellofellow> Digital_Pioneer: just to test it.
[06:12] <Digital_Pioneer> cellofellow, Know a package name?
[06:12] <intelikey> well add -e then
[06:12] <cellofellow> Digital_Pioneer: rather add the already installed server to the panel.
[06:12] <intelikey> grayeul; grep -e /bin/bash /var/lib/dpkg/info/*
[06:12] <cellofellow> Digital_Pioneer: that's how you use it.
[06:12] <grayeul> intelikey: got the grep to work, by cd'ing to /var/lib/dpkg/info... otherwise too many chars
[06:13] <intelikey> grayeul na just needed -e
[06:13] <grayeul> so, why don't I have apt-file?  Or is it in someplace funny?
[06:14] <cellofellow> Digital_Pioneer: once the applet's on the panel right click it and add a new server. it should try to publish the server to zeroconf when it's done, and then it should be in the zeroconf:/ kioslave
[06:14] <Digital_Pioneer> cellofellow, So for me to get an area where I can put files accessible to multiple computers on the same network, of the same OS, I need a file server...?
[06:14] <cellofellow> Digital_Pioneer: this just tests if zeroconf is working. it's a read only server. you may need something else for use.
[06:14] <grayeul> anyone here using ipw3945 wireless driver?
[06:14] <Dr_willis> I got a old box thats a dedicated fileserver. :)
[06:14] <intelikey> grayeul it's not installed by default
[06:15] <Dr_willis> I dont even know what zeroconf is supposed to do.
[06:15] <grayeul> inteliky: Ah... just did a new install (and am new to kubuntu) of EdgyRC
[06:15] <intelikey> apt-file - APT package searching utility -- command-line interface
[06:15] <cellofellow> brb
[06:16] <grayeul> intelikey: So, when I get network up on that machine... to get apt-file, do: apt-get apt-file ?
[06:17] <intelikey> yeah  apt-get install apt-file    and then you have to update apt-file.  it has to grab a database.
[06:17] <Digital_Pioneer> cellofellow, OK, Zeroconf is working.
[06:17] <grayeul> you wouldn't happen to be using ipw3945, would you?
[06:17] <intelikey> after that. it kinda works.   but i prefer just greping the info files.
[06:18] <grayeul> good to know....
[06:18] <intelikey> me using.. no.
[06:18] <cellofellow> Digital_Pioneer: now you boldly go where I have not gone before.
[06:18] <grayeul> intelikey: Ok, similar question: If I am looking for a file, but don't have it -- how do I find which package has it?
[06:18] <intelikey> i'm network illiterate. and quite content to remain that way.
[06:19] <intelikey> apt-file
[06:19] <cellofellow> yippee. java plugin working
[06:19] <grayeul> intelikey: Same thing?  apt-file will tell me about it, whether it is installed or not?
[06:20] <I_Eat_Plastic> Uhh, I turn 18 in 40 minutes.
[06:20] <intelikey> that's why it needs the database.  yes
[06:20] <ubahmapk> I_Eat_Plastic: Happy B-Day
[06:20] <I_Eat_Plastic> ubahmapk: Thank you!
[06:20] <flaccid_> turning on 18 and is on irc
[06:20] <flaccid_> should be out taking drugs..
[06:20] <grayeul> I_Eat_Plastic: Happy birthday... my birthday is over in 40 minutes... just turned 47!
[06:21] <Digital_Pioneer> flaccid_, I'm 14 and I'm on IRC. What should I be doing?'
[06:21] <ubahmapk> grayeul: and Happy B-Day to you, too! :-)
[06:21] <flaccid_> Digital_Pioneer: stealing cars and smoking crack
[06:21] <ubahmapk> my un-birthday ends in 40 minutes...but then I have another one....
[06:21] <I_Eat_Plastic> grayeul: Congradtulations.
[06:21] <Digital_Pioneer> flaccid_, Not recommened.
[06:21] <rcarr> my birthday is in approximately 430 thousand minutes
[06:21] <cellofellow> mee too
[06:21] <flaccid_> hehe
[06:21] <intelikey> grayeul oh you're an old fart.    couple years older than me.
[06:22] <grayeul> intelikey: And I've been playing with Unix for about 25 years
[06:22] <rcarr> flaccid: I probably completely lose then
[06:22] <cellofellow> I only heard about it about a year ago
[06:22] <Digital_Pioneer> Anyone out there know how to get networking going?
[06:22] <cellofellow> except on Jurassic Park
[06:22] <grayeul> Speaking of networking......
[06:23] <flaccid_> Digital_Pioneer: system settings | networking
[06:23] <sacha_> it was on jurassic park?
[06:23] <Digital_Pioneer> I need to get some sort of file sharing between two Kubuntu boxes on the same network.
[06:23] <zorba64> oh..so over 40 is a old fart...bunch of young .....
[06:23] <rcarr> flaccid: I'm 15, in IRC, and working on Real Analysis homework
[06:23] <intelikey> grayeul i've yet to handle a unix box.  or solaris   but linux.....   well...
[06:23] <rcarr> I basically completely lose at having a life
[06:23] <Dr_willis> Digital_Pioneer,  dozen ways to do that.. ssh and the fish:\\ kioslave for konqueror is handy
[06:23] <rcarr> woo!
[06:23] <cellofellow> sacha_: that little girl sits down at the main computer, and says it's a unix system and she know how to use it.
[06:23] <Dr_willis> Digital_Pioneer,  or use samba.. or scp.
[06:23] <flaccid_> i think people are missing my point. wouldn't you be out with your friends on your 18th birthday
[06:23] <sacha_> oh ok
[06:23] <rcarr> I like the fish:// kiioslave for konqueror
[06:24] <ubahmapk> or fish:// that's good, too :-)
[06:24] <Digital_Pioneer> Dr_willis, Isn't Samba used for networking with Windoze?
[06:24] <Dr_willis> i sort of like the various FUSE filesystem things.
[06:24] <cellofellow> rcarr: me too
[06:24] <Dr_willis> Digital_Pioneer,  it can be used for that.
[06:24] <rcarr> I normally use cli for file management, but when you have a lot of files
[06:24] <rcarr> without a common naming pattern
[06:24] <ubahmapk> rcarr: then you use mc
[06:24] <Dr_willis> mc is handy :)
[06:24] <Dr_willis> one of the frst things i install
[06:24] <cellofellow> Digital_Pioneer: that's what it's designed for yes. NFS is more unixy.
[06:25] <rcarr> I never bothered much with MC
[06:25] <ubahmapk> Dr_willis: ssh and then vim
[06:25] <rcarr> worth it?
[06:25] <cellofellow> Dr_willis: yeah, mc is handy when logged in over ssh
[06:25] <Dr_willis> ive had issues with using mc and screen together however.
[06:26] <Digital_Pioneer> So I _CAN_ use Samba to connect with other Linuxes?
[06:26] <ubahmapk> Dr_willis: really? that's interesting.  what sort of issues?
[06:26] <cellofellow> Dr_willis: konsole has an mc mode.
[06:26] <intelikey> flaccid_ this is irc where men are men.......
[06:26] <ubahmapk> Digital_Pioneer: sure
[06:26] <rcarr> my general file management strategy consists of perl one liners and yakuake
[06:26] <flaccid_> sounds a bit like that recent cowboy movie
[06:26] <Digital_Pioneer> ubahmapk, OK. Care to elaborate, or should I pay #samba a visit?
[06:26] <rcarr> flaccid: The cowboy movie about perl one liners and yakuake?
[06:27] <intelikey> i'm not familear with it
[06:27] <rcarr> flaccid: I saw that one!
[06:27] <flaccid_> no brokeback mountain
[06:27] <Dr_willis> ubahmapk,  the font/characters for the lines dont draw right..
[06:27] <intelikey> never heard of it.
[06:27] <ubahmapk> Digital_Pioneer: #samba's probably a better choice.  I've done it, but it's been a while.......
[06:27] <Digital_Pioneer> ubahmapk, OK.
[06:27] <ubahmapk> Digital_Pioneer: so sorry... :-(
[06:27] <intelikey> stallman who ?
[06:28] <ubahmapk> Dr_willis: interesting. sad.  screen's so useful
[06:28] <Digital_Pioneer> ubahmapk, That's all right. Thanks for your time.
[06:28] <Dr_willis> ubahmapk,  yea.. but it may be some term setting.. not  looked into it much closer.
[06:28] <ubahmapk> Dr_willis: ah
[06:29] <Dr_willis> im not sure screen has even had any updates in ages. :)
[06:29] <intelikey> ubahmapk "screen's so useful" if you want to eves drop on a cli user....
[06:29] <dude> hello guys...good day...
[06:29] <ubahmapk> intelikey: that's probably true, but it's also useful to leave work and come back home to the same session you had at work. :-)
[06:29] <intelikey> it's dude!
[06:30] <rcarr> Dude, once again I am in envy of your name
[06:30] <ubahmapk> for the life of me, I see 44 packages that are 'upgradable', but are 'kept back' no matter what method I try and upgrade them.  Where do I go to see why they're being held back?
[06:30] <rcarr> Way to take a stand as an individual! :p
[06:30] <rcarr> (playful sarcasm)
[06:30] <dude> rcarr; why?
[06:30] <ubahmapk> dude: that is a cool nick
[06:30] <max0> hi, can someone help me with Wine, i type in "wine <filename>" and i get this errot http://pastebin.ca/212999
[06:30] <rcarr> Haha
[06:31] <ubahmapk> max0: hmmm....that almost looks like a user perm problem.
[06:31] <ubahmapk> max0: running as mortal and running wine as root??
[06:31] <max0> im running as root
[06:31] <dude> ubahmapk: tnx
[06:31] <zorba64> max0 is being bad
[06:32] <intelikey> max0 you running that from a console ?
[06:32] <max0> how else is there to run it?
[06:32] <intelikey> terminal
[06:32] <max0> zorba64:how am i being bad?
[06:32] <rcarr> max0, he is referring to
[06:32] <intelikey> inside of X   you know.
[06:32] <rcarr> a tty, compared to an xterm
[06:32] <zorba64> runnung as root..thats a no no :)
[06:32] <ubahmapk> max0: running X as root is generally considered not a good idea
[06:33] <max0> im not running X as root
[06:33] <max0> im in a user
[06:33] <ubahmapk> ah
[06:33] <max0> i just did sudo -i in konsole