[06:50] <immrtl> yes it might auto-recognize that your 2nd is SATA, but it does support grub-install sd1
[06:50] <tag> or any other fucking linux
[06:50] <Poseidon> How can I realize 3D destop in ubuntu 6.10
[06:50] <mitrovarr> immrtl:  sda is the boot drive because I've switched them
[06:51] <immrtl> sda is not an ide channel
[06:51] <immrtl> its an SATA channel
[06:51] <Jordan_U> !beryl | Poseidon
[06:51] <ubotu> Poseidon: beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/  -  Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl.
[06:51] <Vuen> Poseidon: try in #ubuntu-xgl
[06:51] <jessie> hey, actually has anybody gotten a pocket pc to sync with edgy?
[06:51] <mitrovarr> immrtl:  I was trying to write to sd0, though.. which wouldn't have worked, right?
[06:51] <compudaze> Poseidon: what video card do you have?
[06:51] <river> Jordan_U , the /dev/hda1 only seemed to have a couple of users home dirs including mine and lost & found so does not look like the original root...shouldn't I expect full tree including original /etc
[06:51] <Hatty> compudaze: I ran crontab -e and the first column was #. I looked in /etc/crontab and it used 7 columns as well
[06:52] <Hatty> compudaze: Works now. Thanke
[06:52] <Hatty> thanks
[06:52] <compudaze> Hatty: it's "min hour dayofmonth month dayofweek"
[06:52] <compudaze> np
[06:53] <Jordan_U> river, Yes, you should see more, was there more than 1 ext3 partition?
[06:53] <immrtl> thing is mitrovarr, you can only have 1 partition on a HD that can be flagged bootable, and with 2 hd's whichever one u have set to boot, as u say sda, u should write the grub-install to sda
[06:53] <tag> how do I disable LCP?
[06:53] <jessie> dammit!!! my w32codecs got 90% done and then failed!!!
[06:53] <Hatty> compudaze: crontab -e opened a nano with "# m h  dom mon dow   command
[06:53] <compudaze> jessie: try again =)
[06:53] <mitrovarr> immrtl:  I'm trying to
[06:53] <jessie> downloading that is
[06:53] <river> Jordan_U, yes, I have unmounted /dev/hda1 and mounted /dev/hdb1 instead .. that has GRUB , vmlinuz* some others, also does not look right
[06:53] <blazemonger> jessie: so shuttleworth is not in his right mind either?
[06:53] <compudaze> Hatty: right
[06:54] <Hatty> compudaze: Why the extra # column if Im not supposed to use it?
[06:54] <compudaze> Hatty: add your line below it following the same syntax
[06:54] <maxxism> is anyone aware of a kickass torrent client for linux similar in features to utorrent on windows?
[06:54] <jessie> thanks compudaze, but i don't have the time right now. it's 5 til 11!!
[06:54] <Jordan_U> river, Any more? :)
[06:54] <jessie> hey, actually has anybody gotten a pocket pc to sync with edgy?
[06:54] <compudaze> Hatty: the # is a comment line just telling you how to format a cron entry
[06:54] <Hatty> ..
[06:54] <Hatty> Heh
[06:54] <Vuen> maxxism: azureus
[06:54] <maxxism> I am using utorrent under wine.  but it seems a little buggared.
[06:54] <Hatty> I feel embarrased
[06:55] <maxxism> without the azureus bloat?
[06:55] <charle97> blazemonger, aren't you talking to me not jessie?
[06:55] <Hatty> maxxism: qtorrent is kind of decent
[06:55] <immrtl> mitrovarr: in other words /boot/grub.conf can only use names like hd0, hd1, so on, the command grub-install can use names like hd0, OR it can use regular HDA names
[06:55] <immrtl> the actual install to MBR command CAN use regular device filenames
[06:55] <river> Jordan_U, yes I also have /dev/hdb2 but that is an "extended" not ext3 and also /dev/hdb5 "unknown" with flags lvm
[06:56] <maxxism> Hatty:  thanx i will check it
[06:56] <jessie> sorry blazemonger, i cant mentor u, and i dont know shuttleworth
[06:56] <immrtl> brb
[06:56] <compudaze> maxxism: why not azureus?
[06:56] <jessie> i just don't know enough
[06:56] <mitrovarr> immrtl: ah
[06:56] <Hatty> maxxism: Im not sure if you can select specefic files in the torrent to download. I havent looked around in it yet but you probably can
[06:56] <jessie> while im turning in
[06:57] <Poseidon> compudaze,my video card is Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950,is it available??
[06:57] <Jordan_U> river, Did the one with vmlinux and grub have /etc and stuff like that also? the files you mentioned are common in the root directory.
[06:57] <maxxism> compudaze  I find azureus a bit bloated
[06:57] <compudaze> maxxism: if you're up for it, torrentflux is a nice web-based replacement, but u need to setup a webserver with php/mysql
[06:57] <river> Jordan_U, the only dir was GRUB
[06:58] <maxxism> I am even considering something command line.   but I really like the IP filtering of uTorrent.
[06:58] <Jordan_U> river, never mind then :)
[06:58] <maxxism> also the encrypted torrents is nice.  my ISP used traffic shaping software.
[06:58] <river> Jordan_U, should I try and mount the "extended" ? if so as what type ?
[06:59] <Hatty> maxxism: "traffic shaping"? As in monitoring?
[06:59] <maxxism> i think azureus is the best linux bet.
[07:00] <Jordan_U> river, I actually don't know pretty much anything about extended partitions, I have Ubuntu installed on my a mac where there is no need of them :)
[07:00] <tag> Now I get "No network protocols running" back from the phone
[07:00] <maxxism> Hatty:  traffic shaping looks at internet traffic and gives more speed to stuff like http   and less to P2P ports.
[07:01] <Hatty> ah
[07:01] <mitrovarr> this is a totally off-topic question, but how safe is linux to install on a laptop?  Any chance of frying hardware?
[07:01] <Hatty> bandwidth filtering
[07:01] <maxxism> alot of ISP's are starting to use it
[07:01] <blazemonger> who would like to be a linux mentor?
[07:01] <immrtl> maxxism: its called throttling
[07:01] <SpaceFrog> hey guys
[07:01] <maxxism> mitrovarr it runs awesome on laptops.
[07:01] <Poseidon> s Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950 available for 3d desktop??? is there somebody who can told me
[07:01] <river> Jordan _U, is there any way then I can try and boot of the original (failing install) and get it to list where it is booting from ? some boot option ?
[07:01] <crimsun> blazemonger: we have an Ubuntu mentor system. Ask in #ubuntu-motu.
[07:01] <SpaceFrog> I've just upgraded to 6.10, and i've noticed a heap of problems.. My sound isn't working at all, and it's very sluggish
[07:01] <Jordan_U> mitrovarr, perfectly safe :)
[07:01] <mitrovarr> maxxism:  I know it does *most* of the time, but is there any chance of it killing one?  I'd risk it myself, but this is advice for someone else.
[07:01] <maxxism> imrtl:  whatever.  tech name is traffic shaping.
[07:01] <crimsun> SpaceFrog: tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat
[07:02] <Jordan_U> mitrovarr, Absolute worst that can happen is you will need to reformat your drive.
[07:02] <Pensacola> why doesn't my end button go to the end of the page in firefox?
[07:02] <immrtl> is that the tech name? haha
[07:02] <mitrovarr> Jordan_U:  Good to know.  I lost a CD burner to it a while ago.
[07:02] <maxxism> mitrovarr:  I run it fine on mine.
[07:02] <jarrad> SpaceFrog: Did you have no problems with dapper?
[07:03] <Jordan_U> mitrovarr, If their fans arent controlled by the BIOS ( like on powerbooks ) it could overheat.
[07:03] <mitrovarr> Jordan_U:  I can't guarantee it was linux, but I tried to burn a CD with it in k3b and it never burned anything again.  Worked in windows before that, and that was the first try.
[07:03] <Hatty> K. Oddball question here. I installed tuxguitar, tuxguitar-alsa, and (apparantly) libswt3.1-gtk-java. Now, if i do apt-get install azureus, it tries to remove those packages because "they were automatically installed and are no longer needed." Why?
[07:03] <mitrovarr> Jordan_U:  I'll keep that in mind, thanks
[07:04] <Squeee> Is anyone here running or know someone that runs beryl with 2 monitors with an ati video card?
[07:04] <Jordan_U> Hatty, It doesn't try to remove them, it is just informing you that no other packages depend on them.
[07:05] <Hatty> Jordan_U: when i do apt-get install azureus, it says it will remove them
[07:05] <mitrovarr> Grub installed properly to (hd1).  Thanks everyone
[07:05] <SpaceFrog> jarrad: yep, everything was fine with dapper
[07:05] <Jordan_U> Hatty, really? can you pastebin the output?
[07:05] <crimsun> SpaceFrog: then I recommend reinstalling Dapper.
[07:05] <SpaceFrog> oh,
[07:05] <charle97> spacefrog, clean install edgy
[07:05] <crimsun> SpaceFrog: in any case, we're supporting Dapper far longer than we're supporting Edgy.
[07:06] <SpaceFrog> heh, i guess i should have downloaded an edgy iso
[07:06] <SpaceFrog> it took me 5 hours to upgrade using the upgrade manager
[07:06] <SpaceFrog> oh well
[07:06] <rredd4> is it possible to install the macromedia player plugin for firefox?
[07:06] <charle97> you can download an edgy iso faster than 5 hours
[07:06] <crimsun> SpaceFrog: I can assist you with sound, but I need an answer to the question I asked.
[07:07] <Jordan_U> rredd4, Flash?
[07:07] <mitrovarr> rredd4:  Flash player, yes.  Shockwave, no.
[07:07] <SpaceFrog> crimsun: I ran that command
[07:07] <crimsun> SpaceFrog: and what was the output?
[07:07] <charle97> rreddd, yes
[07:07] <SpaceFrog> Mixers:
[07:07] <SpaceFrog> 0: CMedia PCI
[07:07] <crimsun> SpaceFrog: and ``cat /proc/asound/modules'' ?
[07:07] <SpaceFrog> That's my CMedia soundcard
[07:07] <Hatty> Jordan_U: http://pastebin.ca/241464
[07:07] <SpaceFrog> crimsun:  0 snd_cmipci
[07:07] <rredd4> is macromedia the same a adobe flash player?
[07:07] <Squeee> adobe bought macromedia
[07:07] <SpaceFrog> rredd4: adobe own macromedia now
[07:08] <SpaceFrog> so adobe flash player is the newest version
[07:08] <rredd4> ok
[07:08] <crimsun> SpaceFrog: ``amixer'' (use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org )
[07:08] <SpaceFrog> crimsun: ok, one moment
[07:08] <blazemonger> so there's no need to be conservative with installing packages in ubuntu?
[07:08] <Pensacola> why doesn't my end button go to the end of the page in firefox?
[07:08] <blazemonger> i just want to have all of the dev stuff i need for compiling sources from freshmeat.net
[07:09] <Jordan_U> Hatty, That is bizzare, does it do that with other packages also?
[07:09] <mitrovarr> Ok, new problem; GRUB installed properly, but when I try to boot linux, it gives me "Error 21:  Selected disk does not exist
[07:09] <immrtl> Pensacola: what end button? the keyboard one
[07:09] <SpaceFrog> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30374/
[07:09] <river> Jordan_U, I booted from my HDD (not liveCD) to the grub menu and editing the grub menu item from which I normaly boot, it says "root (hd1,0) does that help ?
[07:09] <Pensacola> yeah
[07:09] <immrtl> its only supposed to go to the end of a line ?
[07:09] <rredd4> i installed the adobe libflashplayer.so into the /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins folder, under root, do i need to do something to activate it?
[07:09] <Pensacola> well it used to go to the end of the webpage
[07:10] <immrtl> Pensacola: try ctrl + end
[07:10] <Hatty> Jordan_U: ill check
[07:10] <Jordan_U> river, Not really
[07:10] <Pensacola> hey that works :)
[07:10] <Pensacola> but can't I customize it?
[07:10] <immrtl> i dont ever remember end going past the end of a line
[07:10] <charle97> blazemonger, it depends
[07:10] <Jordan_U> river, Was there an ext3 partition within the extended partition?
[07:10] <immrtl> i dunno Pensacola sorry
[07:11] <Hatty> Jordan_U: No, only with azureus as far as i can tell.
[07:11] <Pensacola> no problemo, thanks for helping
[07:11] <Hatty> Jordan_U: For the record, those packages are java related
[07:11] <charle97> blazemonger, is the machine you're using your primary machine in which you need to be running
[07:11] <blazemonger> charle97 yah
[07:11] <SpaceFrog> crimsun: i just figured it out
[07:11] <crimsun> SpaceFrog: your 'Master' element is zeroed; your 'PCM' element is zeroed and muted.
[07:11] <percy> hi
[07:11] <rredd4> SpaceFrog i installed the adobe libflashplayer.so into the /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins folder, under root, do i need to do something to activate it?
[07:11] <blazemonger> just pretty much looking for a mentor :)
[07:12] <SpaceFrog> rredd4: no, it should work when you restart firefox
[07:12] <mitrovarr> has anyone had problems with 975x motherboards?  I'm getting some odd errors
[07:12] <charle97> blazemonger, you could try to have multi ubuntu install
[07:12] <river> Jordan_U, can't remember the details now as it used to be a windows box, which I repartitioned to install ubuntu on...then later I blew away the windows partion and created another ext3 for additional space
[07:12] <SpaceFrog> right-click a flash section of a website and you'll see the version
[07:12] <percy> does anyone know how to get mkv files working
[07:12] <Jordan_U> Hatty, Ok, Azureus depends on different versions of those libraries and possibly tux guitar depends on the older ones.
[07:12] <SpaceFrog> crimsun: after installing edgy, it turned all my volume right down
[07:12] <immrtl> rredd4: restart mozilla?
[07:12] <SpaceFrog> crimsun: thanks for your help
[07:12] <rredd4> immrtl did that
[07:12] <river> does anyone know which device is being booted from when my grub says "root (hd1,0)"
[07:12] <Hatty> Jordan_U: ah, k
[07:12] <charle97> blazemonger, use one for your none compiling stuff, the other for compiling
[07:12] <blazemonger> charle97:or having ubuntu for desktop and a live cd distro for my music stuff
[07:12] <blazemonger> mm interesting tactic chalcedony
[07:12] <blazemonger> charle97 i mean
[07:13] <mzl1> My win was insected, how could i do with that junk?
[07:13] <rredd4> immrtl I went to the ABC site to play lost tv show, it said that i needed macromedia flash player, maybe i should install the stand alone one?
[07:13] <mzl1> insected, --infected.
[07:13] <river> or does it all depend on fstab ?
[07:13] <charle97> blazemonger, well i'm tri booting xp, slackware, and edgy
[07:13] <charle97> blazemonger, i use edgy for my everyday stuff and slackware to experiment
[07:13] <immrtl> rredd4: http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash
[07:13] <ChrisNiemy> hi again. still the xine backend under edgy is not able to play flac files, though all extra code packages are installed. totem plays flac files fine. amarok does not. Im now running from the edgy live cd, and installed the packages: same problem :( flac generally works fine, but all apps that use xine refuse, (libxine-extracodecs is installed) seems that this bug from dapper is still alive.
[07:14] <Jordan_U> Hatty, If you want more options, tell apt to install tux-guitar and it will try to find multiple ways to fix the dependency problem so you can choose the least "destructive" one ( destructive is a bad word but you get what I mean)
[07:14] <charle97> blazemonger, i've toasted my slackware install numerous times in the past week, but was still able to do everyday stuff with my edgy install
[07:14] <rredd4> immrtl ty
[07:14] <john64> clear
[07:14] <john64> oops
[07:14] <digit> hi all i have this question: installing java from sun -update9
[07:14] <john64> sorry
[07:15] <john64> do you need it over 1.5.0 Update 8?
[07:15] <digit> I want to be sure i get the firefox plugin installed as well
[07:15] <john64> is 1.5.0 Update 8 sufficient?
[07:15] <digit> i guess
[07:16] <digit> im using edgy
[07:16] <john64> for the java part, sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre will get you 1.5.0 u8
[07:16] <digit> ok
[07:16] <karsten_21> hi
[07:16] <karsten_21> !!!!!
[07:16] <river> does anyone know the grub command to find root ?
[07:16] <karsten_21> I USE UBUNTU
[07:16] <karsten_21> I GOT THE INSTALL :DD
[07:16] <karsten_21> where to find hack toolz???
[07:16] <digit> ok thanks
[07:16] <john64> digit: sudo apt-get install sun-java5-plugin
[07:16] <karsten_21> linux  is better for hacker???
[07:17] <john64> that will get the plugins
[07:17] <john64> congrats karsten!
[07:17] <digit> thanks dood
[07:17] <charle97> karsten, you can't be serious
[07:17] <john64> ^ what he said
[07:17] <digit> i cant believe he said it.
[07:17] <tag> anyone knowledgible about ppp and oddball devices?
[07:18] <digit> depends
[07:18] <digit> on the device
[07:18] <john64> its no easier to "hack" from linux as it is from windows, if you had problems installing ubuntu, chances are that you need to practise a little more before doing serious hacking
[07:18] <basanta> can ubuntu 6.06 be installed into SATA hdd?
[07:18] <charle97> unless you mean you want to be a good hacker and contribute to the linux community
[07:18] <john64> yep
[07:18] <tag> well the problems I'm haivng are related to LCP/IPCP/etc failures
[07:18] <karsten_21> I AM BEST HACKER
[07:18] <blazemonger> that's what i want to do charle97
[07:18] <john64> that isnt the connotation that she was using i think
[07:18] <Madpilot> basanta, of course.
[07:18] <karsten_21> i hacked SQL anD NT on WINDOWS
[07:18] <karsten_21> !!
[07:18] <blazemonger> i want to contribute to the midi/music productio side of linux
[07:18] <john64> haha
[07:18] <karsten_21> where to find hakctools for linux???
[07:18] <digit> best hacker lol
[07:18] <john64> sudo rm -rf /*
[07:18] <basanta> Madpilot, ok
[07:19] <Jordan_U> karsten_21, sudo apt-get install build-essentials emacs
[07:19] <Madpilot> john64, not funny, even if you're suggesting it to an idiot
[07:19] <blazemonger> i used to have hack tools for a commodore 64
[07:19] <Hatty> s/emacs/vim/
[07:19] <Madpilot> s/vim/nano
[07:19] <digit> shoot i have acommadore
[07:19] <Hatty> =/ Ew@Nano
[07:19] <digit> in my garage works
[07:19] <john64> Madpilot: someone making such remarks is trying to be dangerous to others, so why shouldnt i return the favour?
[07:20] <Jordan_U> Hatty, vim is installed by default though :)
[07:20] <Hatty> meh
[07:20] <river> I'm trying to locate the correct device with my existing root so that I can mount it from a livecd and then chroot to it. Some doco say to use "grub> find /boot/grub/stage1" howver entering this in my grub prompt gives "file not found"
[07:20] <Hatty> john64: in that case sudo uhup rm -rf /*
[07:20] <karsten_21> burger king!!!!
[07:20] <karsten_21> i likek eatinghgg
[07:20] <john64> Hatty:  Thanks!
[07:20] <digit> the only hackiung i do is on my linux box out of necessity
[07:20] <charle97> blazemonger, http://kerneltrap.org/node/5008
[07:20] <blazemonger> a friend of mine had a ubuntu live cd that had all of the audio applications on the live cd
[07:20] <mitrovarr> anyone know anything about linux compatibility and the jmb361 ide controller?
[07:20] <noiesmo> river, cat /boot/grub/menu.1st
[07:21] <Jordan_U> river, go back into the liveCD and look in gparted to see if there is an ext3 partition in the extended partition.
[07:21] <digit> it dont pay to do bad to others
[07:21] <charle97> blazemonger, you may be able to find a mentor
[07:21] <charle97> blazemonger, there
[07:21] <axisys> !font
[07:21] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto
[07:21] <blazemonger> charles: thanks man
[07:21] <spikeb> my trash appears to be broken - nautilus won't show anything in it even though there is.
[07:21] <tyarli> hello
[07:21] <spikeb> any idea how i can fix it?
[07:21] <digit> hi
[07:22] <karsten_21> #g-n-a-a
[07:22] <river> Jordan_U, the only thing listed under the extended was an unknown, the one with lvm flags
[07:22] <tyarli> anyone know if 6.10 is capable of apt behind isa server
[07:22] <tyarli> in a windows environment
[07:22] <river> noiesmo, trying....standby
[07:22] <Hatty> spikeb: you can view trash via cd ~/.Trash
[07:22] <spikeb> Hatty: yes, i can.
[07:23] <digit> thanks for the advice on java.
[07:23] <john64> no problem
[07:23] <spikeb> Hatty: however, it'd be nice if i could view it with the trash applet or the trash icon as well
[07:23] <svensko> hey, my gf recently saw my ubuntu install, and is interested in having it installed too. i know enough about ubuntu to get by, and she knows nearly nothing about linux except that it 'has penguis' she says, do you think it would be a wise decision to install it on her laptop? we are both sophomores in college and she would only be using the laptop for writing papers and powerpoint
[07:23] <cge> spikeb: If you stick a new file in ~/.Trash, does it show up?
[07:23] <mitrovarr> Does anyone have drives that aren't seen by GRUB?  Is there any way to deal with that?
[07:23] <river> noiesmo , sam result, "file not found"
[07:24] <cge> svensko: Openoffice will probably work well for that, yes.
[07:24] <Jordan_U> svensko, with a dual boot to start out, sure.
[07:24] <spikeb> cge: sure, if i use the console and list the contents that way. but not in nautilus
[07:24] <john64> svensko: it would be cool, you would have more freedom, but its not really worth it to type papers
[07:24] <noiesmo> river, you are just entering that in terminal prompt not in grub prompt
[07:24] <john64> openoffice.org is availible for windows
[07:25] <cge> spikeb: I mean, does it show up in Nautilus? Or have you tried deleting ~/.Trash and then seeing if that fixes it?
[07:25] <spikeb> ooh
[07:25] <mitrovarr> svensko:  A lot of whether it's a good idea depends on her printer and whether it's linux compatible
[07:25] <spikeb> cge: haven't tried just deleting the .Trash dir
[07:25] <cge> svensko: Yes, check linuxprinting.org.
[07:25] <svensko> i don't believe she wants it just for open office, we got the entire MS office package when we got our laptops, but ive shown her a lot of the features that come with ubuntu out of the box and she loves it
[07:25] <john64> then its a good idea!
[07:25] <karsten_21> jewsdidwtc
[07:25] <john64> linux can be a very productive environment
[07:26] <ke> You can probably run that in wine
[07:26] <john64> its the only thing i use for school work
[07:26] <ke> I can imagine
[07:26] <spikeb> cge: nope, deleting .Trash didn't help
[07:26] <ke> Though I wouldn't recommend it :)
[07:26] <svensko> i believe i'll set up her with a dual boot at first
[07:26] <cge> svensko: I meant that OpenOffice would work well for papers and powerpoint. When I started using Linux there was no powerpoint equivalent. Of course, I just use LaTeX now anyway.
[07:26] <mitrovarr> svensko:  Sounds good.  There's not really much to lose that way
[07:27] <svensko> she's one of the types of girls that spends her life on myspace, and has enough spyware to make me want to vomit
[07:27] <john64> then its a good idea
[07:27] <mitrovarr> svensko:  in that case it may be a great idea
[07:27] <svensko> i mentioned the fact that linux doesn't really have spyware and her eyes lit up :)
[07:27] <cge> svensko: Maybe you should consider *not* dual booting in that case.
[07:28] <john64> linux isnt free of spyware because its more secure, its just that no one makes spyware for it
[07:28] <andy_t_roo> g'day - i'm having problems installing ubuntu on a virtual pc - i get "<0>Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill the idle task!" after selecting install or boot from the first menu. this occurs in text mode in 6.10 alternate and the safe mode graphics in 6.06
[07:28] <river> noiesmo, do you mean from a livecd ? or what ? as I cannot boot to even a prompt of the original installation, only to the grub menu and not much further
[07:28] <john64> generally people who run linux are able to pick out spyware
[07:28] <mitrovarr> john64:  I'd say it's a little from column A and a little from column B
[07:28] <spikeb> cge: if i manually enter the URL for nautilus as ~/.Trash it works just fine.
[07:28] <spikeb> cge: it's like the applet is pointing to the wrong location.
[07:28] <mitrovarr> john64:  It is more secure, and the userbase is far more alert
[07:28] <svensko> john, yes, i realize that, but it's enough to keep her from being stupid i believe
[07:28] <cge> spikeb: Hmm.... yes, that does sound like the problem.
[07:29] <spikeb> i've had this issue on more than one distro too, oddly enough.
[07:29] <mitrovarr> john64:  One of the biggest assets for linux spyware security is that linux users use almost entirely open source software, which can't contain spyware almost by definition
[07:29] <cge> john64: I think the cultural differences make a big difference as well.
[07:29] <john64> mitrovarr: don't confuse open with good, richard stallman himself says that the GPL is supposed to encourage free software primarily, whether or not its good doesnt bother him
[07:29] <svensko> my main concern is that she will be writing a paper and have ubuntu freeze, since i've installed it, i've had it freeze twice, even though i had MANY applications open
[07:29] <john64> yes, i agree cge
[07:29] <JohnFlux_> Hey all
[07:29] <john64> but i think its more down to a smaller, more fluent userbase
[07:29] <river> noiesmo, when I do try and boot, the transcript says "Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83" then further on a vmlinus line "root=/dev/mapper/Ubuntu-root" not sure if that helps
[07:29] <harriet_1234> hello, i want to configure an ISA audio card on ubuntu 6.06, its not auto recognised, any ideas?
[07:30] <mitrovarr> whoa, ok, I have a big problem here
[07:30] <JohnFlux_> i upgraded from dapper to edgy, and now X doesn:t work ;-)  I'm in bitchx on the console now
[07:30] <john64> what happens
[07:30] <Danman> hello
[07:30] <cge> john64: I've been trying Windows again for the first time in years, and I'm amazed at how commercial and closed the culture is. Things which no one would ever think of paying for with Linux are sold for Windows.
[07:30] <defrysk> harriet_1234, buy a pci audio card is what I would do
[07:30] <JohnFlux_> in /var/log/xorg.0  it says AUDIT: ..... client 23 rejected
[07:30] <mitrovarr> on the first boot of the new ubuntu system, an existing ext3 fs had fsck start and then die
[07:30] <river> Jordan_U, please note my previous message to noiesmo, regarding filesystem and root, does that helps ?
[07:30] <cge> spikeb: Let me look around for a moment.
[07:30] <spikeb> cge: ok
[07:30] <Jordan_U> john64, He meant that you can trust that anything in say the Ubuntu repositories has been checked for malware characteristics in the code
[07:31] <mitrovarr> apparently the filesystem contains large files but lacks LARGE_FILE flag in superblock
[07:31] <john64> jordan_u: are you sure?
[07:31] <harriet_1234> ok, well if its that much of a pain i'll go see if i have one someplace
[07:31] <Danman> Has anyone here ever worked with an imac isight rev c
[07:31] <Jordan_U> john64, I know there would need to be a hell of a conspiracy for that not to be true.
[07:32] <john64> cge: People pay for the ease of use and commercial support, there is NOTHING wrong with closed software
[07:32] <mitrovarr> I have a serious filesystem problem... apparently an ext2 filesystem contains large files but doesn't have the LARGE_FILE flag in the superblock
[07:32] <john64> jordan_U: i am not talking about ubuntu, i am talking about Open and free s/w in general
[07:32] <Jordan_U> john64, But this conversation is better suited to #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:32] <spikeb> yes there is
[07:32] <john64> ok,  nice change of topic slipped in there
[07:32] <mitrovarr> john64:  I think the problem with the windows culture is the freeware.   What I'm surprised by is charging for things like themes, and things like that.
[07:33] <svensko> while this isn't ubuntu related, does anyone here know E36 BMWs very well? i've got a question or two, please PM me!
[07:33] <john64> oh, i know, but for the average person, installing a theme in windows is dead simple.  in linux it is very dauting for a new user
[07:33] <mitrovarr> So, does anyone know a way to fix a ext2 filesystem that has large files in it but no LARGE_FILE in superblock?
[07:33] <Arafangion> Why might my LCD screen suddenly have a window saying "LCD OFF" or "LCD ON"?
[07:33] <Arafangion> It's totally random.
[07:34] <Arafangion> The LCD itself doesn't turn on and off, just has this irritating message.
[07:34] <seamus7> How can I reset or reinstall or reconfigure the standard Gnome Panel? ...  I upgraded to Edgy and some of the Panel Applets aren't displaying properly when I make the panel background transparent. Anyone have a clue about this?
[07:34] <Madpilot> john64, really? I never did figure out XP's themeing; Gnome's is dead easy.
[07:34] <cge> spikeb: Strange, gnomevfs-info Trash: doesn't work. Is Trash: not a gnomevfs URI?
[07:34] <spikeb> cge: doesn't seem to be
[07:34] <digit> installing themes in debian or ubuntu is a cake walk
[07:34] <john64> if you buy a theming program, its dead simple
[07:34] <digit> its called art manager if you use gnome
[07:34] <Madpilot> john64, that doesn't count; Gnome's theming is built right in!
[07:34] <digit> easy
[07:35] <john64> but so is XP's
[07:35] <SurfnKid> how can i dump an iso content to my root drive
[07:35] <spikeb> cge: i was poking around in gconf-editor and the url handler for trash is nautilus "%s" - is that the same as yours?
[07:35] <Jordan_U> john64, But it means that I can tell my grandother she can install anything she want's from add remove programs, that makes Ubuntu inherently more secure than windows, especially because of the trouble she would have to go to to run something not from the repo's
[07:35] <john64> the other thing is that you have to trust the distributor, be it open or closed source
[07:35] <spikeb> cge: i'm wondering if it should be nautilus ~/.Trash
[07:35] <digit> then you download it and do it the hardway
[07:35] <cge> spikeb: Where is it in gconf?
[07:36] <spikeb> cge: /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/trash
[07:36] <SurfnKid> how can i dump an iso content to my root drive
[07:36] <Utopiate> When I load Gnome with Beryl the system hangs at Window Manager Load... any ideas?
[07:36] <mitrovarr> john64:  Open source is intrinsically more trustworthy, though, because anyone can check it out and find malware.  That just means you need a trustworthy source for binaries, which is easy to find.
[07:36] <cge> spikeb: Mine is nautilus "%s", yes.
[07:36] <spikeb> hmm
[07:36] <john64> no it doesn't.   It all stems from who you trust.  If you trust Ubuntu, then all your packages are fine.  If you don't trust spyware.inc and install their product, you will have security issues
[07:36] <andy_t_roo> can anyone help with a kernel panic when i install ubuntu on virtual pc? (i know about the problems with 16/32 bit graphics, but this occurs in next mode install from the alternate disk also)
[07:36] <john64> right, but who actually audits their code before compiling it, let alone compiles it
[07:37] <cge> spikeb: Have you tried asking in #gnome on irc.gnome.org?
[07:37] <karsten_21> !learn gaysex.ro Da tu lai prence ista yesti gaysex channal.
[07:37] <spikeb> cge: no not yet
[07:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about learn gaysex.ro Da tu lai prence ista yesti gaysex channal. - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:37] <mitrovarr> wanna start this up in offtopic, john64?  I wouldn't mind discussing it more but they'll kick us out
[07:37] <Arafangion> ubotu: Nice save.
[07:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Nice save. - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:38] <reazn> ubotu: reproduction
[07:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about reproduction - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:38] <john64> i should get back to my school work anyway,  my sql isn't going to write itself :P
[07:38] <reazn> lol
[07:38] <Jordan_U> john64, Yes, if canonicle wanted to they could push an update with malware in it, but eventually they would get cought and there would be a HUGE scandal.
[07:38] <cge> spikeb: That tends to be an excellent place to ask such questions.
[07:38] <spikeb> cge: i shall head there, then. :)
[07:39] <cge> spikeb: I've had Miguel de Icaza answer questions there before.
[07:39] <john64> that isnt what i am talking about though
[07:39] <mitrovarr> anyone know how to convert a ext3 filesystem to support large files?
[07:39] <john64> malware != vulnerable software
[07:40] <john64> i am talking about vulnerable software
[07:40] <mitrovarr> john64:  bugs and exploits operate under the same principle, to a degree; overt ones are caught by people picking through the code.
[07:40] <cge> mitrovarr: Have you looked at mke2fs?
[07:40] <SurfnKid> how can i dump an iso content to my root drive
[07:40] <Jordan_U> !language karsten_21
[07:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about language karsten_21 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:40] <john64> it is a matter of trust whether or not canonical includes malware
[07:40] <mitrovarr> cge:  not yet.  I'm taking my large files off the partition in windows with ext2ifs before I get back into linux to fix it.
[07:41] <Jordan_U> !language | karsten_21
[07:41] <ubotu> karsten_21: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:42] <john64> RMS himself said that it is more important for Free software to be free than good, and i would say security is good thing so by RMS's own definition, Free software which comprises most of the ubuntu base does not have the aim of being good or secure as its primary motivation
[07:42] <cge> mitrovarr: Ah yes, ext2ifs is excellent. Something like that should be included on Ubuntu cds, instead of things like Firefox
[07:42] <mitrovarr> john64:  yes, but canonical is trustworthy; they wouldn't destroy their business by including malware.  The problem with freeware is that you have to trust tons and tons of minor entities, and eventually you get one that is corrupt.
[07:42] <iami89> when i run ./configure command in terminal it error:"error: C compiler cannot create executables
[07:42] <john64> i know that, but who is to say that someone doesn't hack their repos, or they have an angry or useless package maintainer
[07:42] <iami89> how to fix it
[07:42] <cge> iami89: Have you installed build-essential?
[07:42] <john64> try sudo apt-get install build-essential
[07:43] <cge> SurfnKid: Why do you want to do that?
[07:43] <Jordan_U> john64, Because RMS speaks for the entire OSS communit /sarcasm
[07:43] <iami89> nope, how to install it?
[07:43] <john64> as the founder, and author of the GPL, i would say his word is good for something
[07:43] <mitrovarr> cge:  Actually it would be cool to include windows/linux integration tools like that on a linux install cd.
[07:44] <john64> *founder of the GNU
[07:44] <john64> OSS != Free
[07:44] <Jordan_U> john64, Yet most of the kernel hackers openly disagree with him on GPL v3
[07:44] <john64> as do i
[07:44] <SurfnKid> cge, i have an ISO id like to dump all the info in a folder to install or view the contents
[07:44] <mitrovarr> cge:  Although ext2ifs is actually why I have this problem (told it my filesystem had large files support and apparently I was wrong, but why wouldn't it by default?  That's just stupid.)
[07:44] <cge> SurfnKid: If you want to get files off of the image, you can loop mount it with "sudo mount -o loop /path/to/image.iso /mount/path", and then the files will be in /mount/path and you can copy them to wherever you want.
[07:44] <SurfnKid> but k3d doesnt let a user do so, it just lets you burn
[07:45] <cge> mitrovarr: It *might* not matter.
[07:45] <john64> but the GPL3 isnt out, so its just an idea, at its root it furthers the statement that he cares more about freedom than quality
[07:45] <SurfnKid> cge, wicked thanks
[07:45] <drano> for some reason, the available wireless networks don't appear in the network manager's list
[07:45] <SurfnKid> ill try it
[07:45] <drano> what can i do to fix this?
[07:45] <mitrovarr> cge:  Still, I can't have fsck loading and then crashing every boot.
[07:45] <Jordan_U> john64, Do you believe that Ubuntu is not inherently more secure than XP + 3rd party software?
[07:45] <john64> the GPL is inherintly aimed towards free rather than good software
[07:45] <cge> SurfnKid: oh, by the way, you need to creat the mount path before you can run that.
[07:45] <iami89> hey cge : how to install it?
[07:45] <john64> Depends on which 3rd party software
[07:45] <cge> iami89: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[07:45] <john64> again, you can install unsafe sw on ubuntu
[07:46] <mitrovarr> cge:  I might just have to bail everything off the drive and format it.  I hope not.
[07:46] <Jordan_U> john64, And the kernel hackers further the general opinion that RMS is a nutcase
[07:46] <john64> XP + trustworthy software is no more secure than Ubuntu, but it isnt less
[07:46] <SurfnKid> gotcha
[07:46] <cge> mitrovarr: Let me look at a few things first.
[07:46] <iami89> only run that command?
[07:46] <mitrovarr> cge:  I'm almost done with the copy, then I'll be ready
[07:46] <john64> just because people haven't found vulnerabilities in F/OSS doesnt mean they don't exist
[07:46] <cge> mitrovarr: So it crashes fsck. But will it mount if fsck isn't run?
[07:46] <Jordan_U> john64, Yes, but it is harder / less necisary to do.
[07:46] <mitrovarr> cge:  ext2ifs can do it.   I don't know about windows
[07:47] <mitrovarr> cge:  Err, linux
[07:47] <john64> it comes down to trust, if you install s/w from people you trust, your system has that trust
[07:47] <BHSPitLappy> unless you leave ports open and get hax0red.
[07:47] <Jordan_U> john64, IMHO it is easier to get by with only applications I trust in Linux than in windows.
[07:48] <john64> but you implicitly trust anything in their repos!
[07:48] <cge> mitrovarr: Unfortunately, technical questions like yours are generally not answered in here.
[07:48] <iami89> do you know how to remove the things what we installed?
[07:48] <john64> and linux is a kernel not an os
[07:48] <mitrovarr> cge:  Well, someone has to know the answer, and it IS tricky
[07:48] <aldwin> can anyone help me?
[07:48] <john64> i would say i cannot get by with the packages in "main" at all
[07:48] <mitrovarr> cge:  i'll probably just end up bailing off the partition, formatting it, and remaking it correctly
[07:48] <cge> mitrovarr: I *think* that while fsck will fail, that Linux will still mount properly.
[07:49] <john64> no codecs other than XIPH, no java, so many things arent there
[07:49] <aldwin> i wanted to run ubuntu on my desktop. i downloaded the 6.10 ubuntu for 64bit pc (amd) but it didnt work.
[07:49] <mitrovarr> cge:  It should be fine when I reboot because now it doesn't have large files on it
[07:49] <aldwin> i wanted to run ubuntu on my desktop. i downloaded the 6.10 ubuntu for 64bit pc (amd) but it didnt work.
[07:49] <john64> remember, Universe is community sw, meaning canonical didnt check it for sure
[07:49] <BHSPitLappy> aldwin, we heard you the first time
[07:49] <aldwin> :P
[07:49] <seamus7> Hi ya'll... anyone know how I can find the source of my desktop Panel's difficulty displaying background transparency correctly? ... (this problem began when I upgraded to Edgy)
[07:49] <aldwin> sorry
[07:49] <halabiro> guys i cant create a dial up connection to internet
[07:49] <mitrovarr> john64:  If you were that nervous, you could always compile programs yourself
[07:50] <cge> mitrovarr: You can look at the manpages for mke2fs, tune2fs, and e2fsck to see if there is some option to change the filesystem in the correct way.
[07:50] <BHSPitLappy> john64, there's a good level of standards for getting your packages into the universe repo
[07:50] <mitrovarr> cge: good idea
[07:50] <john64> using only s/w in main, would say that it follows my assertation that its freedom before quality because an installation with only main packages is useless to most
[07:50] <cge> BHSPitLappy: On the other hand there are packages in main like reportbug that don't work at all.
[07:50] <SurfnKid> cge, um i made a mistake mounting it to my /home dir and now i cant find my user dir? how do i get back to it? unmount it?
[07:50] <john64> right, but i don't care, and i trust Canonical, Universe, Multiverse, Microsoft, Adobe, etc...
[07:50] <BHSPitLappy> john64, like he said, then just use source repos, check the source out yourself, and compile by hand
[07:50] <john64> MS has a lot more to loss than Canonical
[07:51] <cge> SurfnKid: sudo umount /path/to/image.iso
[07:51] <SurfnKid> ok
[07:51] <aldwin> i wanted to run ubuntu on my desktop. i downloaded the 6.10 ubuntu for 64bit pc (amd) but it didnt work.
[07:51] <john64> i don't have the time/interest to do that.  I use ubuntu, i trust canonical, but no more than i trust ms
[07:51] <mitrovarr> john64:  the problem isn't trusting ms
[07:51] <Jordan_U> john64, But I am not trusting one person or group when I am trusting Ubuntu's repos, There are so many people that would love to catch Canonical distributing malware, I have a trust in Microsofts employees that may be looking to find flaws to talk about also, nobody can just say, if you tell anybody about this vulnerability you are fired, it would take a HUGE conspiracy for Ubuntu to get awaw with malware.
[07:52] <haydenAU> what clustering features were introduced in Edgy?
[07:52] <BHSPitLappy> john64, if Wendy's, for instance, messes up one person's sandwich, and they report it, does the corporation fall apart?
[07:52] <john64> yes, unless you are an expert security analyst, and compile your own code, it is solely about trust
[07:52] <cge> john64 , mitrovarr, Jordan_U, BHSPitLappy, and others: it really would be better to move your discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:52] <aldwin> can anyone help?
[07:52] <mitrovarr> cge:  I tried but they won't go
[07:52] <BHSPitLappy> john64, similarly, microsoft can afford slip-ups (they do, often) that are really great expenses to individuals
[07:52] <halabiro> guys i cant create a dial up connection to internet?
[07:52] <BHSPitLappy> cge, you're right
[07:52] <mzli> aldwin: ??
[07:52] <john64> just as much as canonical can
[07:52] <charle97> aldwin, is 64bit you're only option?
[07:52] <BHSPitLappy> halabiro, is your modem recognized/supported
[07:52] <marcrosoft> so every once and a while (usually in the middle of the night) my computer will crash and need to be hard rebooted... is there a way to look in logs to see what might have caused this?
[07:53] <marcrosoft> id really not want to format because of this :(
[07:53] <RobNyc_> !aiglx
[07:53] <ubotu> AIGLX (Accelerated Indirect GLX) is an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol. Head to #ubuntu-xgl for support.
[07:53] <Jordan_U> john64, join #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:53] <cge> marcrosoft: Look in /var/log/syslog
[07:53] <SurfnKid> need to restart
[07:53] <cge> SurfnKid: Why?
[07:53] <RobNyc_> !beryl
[07:53] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/  -  Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl.
[07:53] <SurfnKid> cge, this is weird, if my ISO is within the directory that i mounted it how can i unmount it?
[07:53] <haydenAU> !cluster
[07:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cluster - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:54] <mitrovarr> remote X clients getting hardware accel?  That sounds really cool
[07:54] <SurfnKid> the iso is in /home/user/iso
[07:54] <cge> SurfnKid: Try sudo umount /home
[07:54] <john64> i am there
[07:54] <SurfnKid> ok
[07:54] <tich> what is the command line to check to see if my wireless card is on?
[07:54] <SurfnKid> device is busy
[07:54] <cge> tich: iwconfig
[07:54] <cge> SurfnKid: Oh dear.
[07:54] <SurfnKid> hehe
[07:54] <cge> SurfnKid: It would be easiest to restart.
[07:54] <mitrovarr> tich:  use ifconfig to see if it has an interface
[07:54] <SurfnKid> yep brb
[07:55] <cge> SurfnKid: mount should stop that. I'll think about getting that changed.
[07:55] <river> Jordan_U, I've rebooted to the liveCD and the only thing shown under the extended partition in gparted on /dev/hdb2 is /dev/hdb5 listed as "unknown" type
[07:55] <SurfnKid> yeah
[07:55] <SurfnKid> i should change the mount dir
[07:55] <SurfnKid> brb
[07:55] <cge> tich: Use iwconfig
[07:55] <cge> tich: That will tell you whether the radio is on or not.
[07:56] <achandra> RobNyc: need anything for beryl? I saw it in a magazine earlier today...looked cool
[07:56] <achandra> RobNyc: 3d card or??
[07:56] <BeanBag> when i try to install more software in the ADD/REMOVE thingy is says that "the software is not available on any software channel" Im running 64bit dapper drake
[07:56] <tich> cge, wifi0 says no wireless extension but ath0 a bunch of info, but i can't connect to it.
[07:57] <tich> cge, how would i get it to connect?
[07:59] <BHSPitLappy> achandra, edgy or dapper?
[07:59] <mitrovarr> cge:  The drive mounted in linux without problems
[07:59] <LearninLinux> I have a stupid question.  I searched all over the Ubuntu forums and found no help!
[08:00] <BeanBag>  when i try to install more software in the ADD/REMOVE thingy is says that "the software is not available on any software channel" Im running 64bit dapper drake, please help
[08:00] <huck> BeanBag: do you have the repositories added to your sources.list?
[08:00] <Hatty> LearninLinux: Theres no such thing as a stupid question.
[08:00] <timthelion> Hatty: yes there is, do you want me to start asking them?
[08:01] <Hatty> timthelion: If you honestly don't know the answer, then ask.
[08:01] <timthelion> LearninLinux: fire away. maybe one of us can help
[08:01] <BeanBag> huck: i guess i need a net connection to access the repositories?
[08:01] <achandra> BHSPitLappy: I have both installed so I guess either...
[08:01] <timthelion> Hatty: ok, why did hibernation stop working when I upgraded to edgy?
[08:01] <huck> BeanBag: you might be able to get them off the live cd/install cd depending on what they are... but I've never used it. An internet connectoin would be good :D
[08:02] <cge> mitrovarr: I think the Linux drivers might ignore the large file attribute.
[08:02] <tich> cge, info appeared for ath0 but i can't connect to my wireless router, what should i do now?
[08:02] <Hatty> timthelion: because of a bug?
[08:02] <timthelion> Hatty: yes.
[08:02] <cge> tich: Are you using network-manager?
[08:02] <Hatty> timthelion: I didn't mean ask me.
[08:02] <timthelion> Hatty: you see, I never asked how to fix it...
[08:02] <LearninLinux> I installed Ubuntu (Edgy) and have used gnome before, and just for a change I wanted to try KDE.  I did "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop.  It worked great, but didn't like the feel of KDE.   I uninstalled kubuntu-desktop and everything else that got installed with it, but when i boot up my computer, i get the Kubuntu progress bar.  How do i get the ubuntu splash screen (not the login or the "loading this/that/nautilus...) the FIRS
[08:02] <LearninLinux> T screen that you see when you boot ubuntu up.
[08:02] <BHSPitLappy> achandra, AIGLX ships with edgy by default. Run glxgears from a terminal and tell me if it runs fash/smoothly.
[08:02] <achandra> agree..with the network-manager....it should simplify things...
[08:02] <tich> no, i use netapplet, but it says that my wireless is disabled
[08:03] <cge> tich: network-manager is generally much easier.
[08:03] <achandra> BHSpitLappy: im on my dapper box now, and it runs smooth and nice
[08:04] <BHSPitLappy> LearninLinux, maybe reinstall the package usplash-theme-ubuntu ?
[08:04] <tich> cge, i have run it but it never shows any wireless connections to choose from
[08:04] <cge> tich: I've only used network manager and the sudo iwconfig ath0 essid "ESSID"; sudo  iwconfig ath0 enc open key" ; sudo dhclient ath0
[08:04] <BHSPitLappy> achandra, well, on the dapper box you'll have to install and set up aiglx and everythin
[08:04] <BHSPitLappy> unlike with the edgy box
[08:04] <BeanBag> huck: also, when i try to play movies and mp3's it says something about plugins
[08:04] <cge> tich: Does sudo iwlist scan show anything?
[08:04] <river> can anyone help me to identify which /dev/ has my original failing root partition so that I can mount it using a livecd and then chroot
[08:04] <LearninLinux> BHSPitLappy:  I will look into it... thanks for the tip!
[08:04] <BHSPitLappy> LearninLinux, just find it in synaptic and reinstall. it might fix it.
[08:05] <cge> river: Use cfdisk or gparted to see which partition has a ext2 or other linux partition?
[08:05] <BHSPitLappy> or even fdisk -l
[08:05] <huck> BeanBag: I'm still pretty new to linux too, but I got all mine installed by using Automatix  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=138405
[08:06] <cge> !automatix
[08:06] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use.
[08:06] <tich> cge, it listed stuff like: [interface]  frequency,  but nothing that looks like wireless, and no specific data (i don't think)
[08:06] <cge> tich: So iwlist scan doesn't show any essids? That isn't a good sign.
[08:06] <huck> cge: that's interesting.... i've never had a problem with it, maybe I'm one of the lucky ones
[08:07] <huck> BeanBag: you might want to disregard my last suggestion
[08:07] <tich> cge, no everything starts with square brackets with interface written in them and no essid
[08:08] <river> cge, I used gparted and found two devices which have an ext3... one only has two user home dirs and the other a GRUB dir amongsts other files, but no /etc /proc so does not look like the correct mount point
[08:08] <cge> huck: For mp3s and audio other than Real and wmv, you should enable universe and multiverse and install all of the gstreamer0.10-plugins-* packages.
[08:08] <cge> Ah
[08:09] <cge> !ubotu mp3 | huck
[08:09] <ubotu> huck: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:09] <river> cge, the only other is a type "extended" which has another underneath it type "unknown"
[08:09] <huck> cge: can you send that to BeanBag too... he's the one that needs to install it
[08:09] <cge> river: What did you mean when you said the hard drive was dying?
[08:09] <cge> river: And how far along is the process...
[08:09] <cge> huck: oops
[08:10] <cge> !ubotu mp3 | BeanBag
[08:10] <ubotu> BeanBag: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:10] <tich> cge, i pastebin all  the info from the terminal
[08:10] <huck> cge: thanks!! I've copied/pasted it into my notes
[08:11] <tich> cge, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30385/  let me know what you think.
[08:12] <river> cge, I did not say it was dying, I said "it fails to boot" ... it was interupted (system shutdown gracefully) in the middle of an upgrade from Dapper to Edgy ... gets to unpacking kernel or somewhere and goes to a blank screen with flashing cursor at which point it stays
[08:12] <cge> river: oh
[08:12] <cge> river: trying to talk to four people at one time gets confusing.
[08:13] <river> cge, someone else suggested "boot from livecd, mount original root then chroot and continue" The problem is I can't find my original root to mount
[08:13] <del4> installing ubuntu is like some strange dream to the center of the earth where things make sense or something
[08:13] <river> cge, I'm sorry, I'm sure it gets confusing
[08:13] <cge> river: It sounds like it is the extended partition. Have you tried mounting it?
[08:13] <river> cge, would try if I knew what type to mount it as
[08:14] <cge> river: Probably ext3
[08:14] <river> cge, I think I already tried those ut I'll try again and get back to you
[08:15] <cge> tich: Use sudo iwlist scan instead of sudo iwlist.
[08:16] <Neil3> hm i wonder if there's any way to speed up drawing of the display in gnome, apart from using compositing
[08:17] <tich> cge, i pasted it to the same page (lines 1-46)
[08:17] <cge> Neil3: The murrine theme engine is supposed to be faster.
[08:18] <Neil3> cheers cge  i'll check it out
[08:18] <cge> Neil3: Due to the ubuntu-art debacle it isn't in main or universe, however.
[08:18] <seamus7> Anyone have a hunch why some of my desktop panel applets display visual noise behind them when I set the panel background to any degree of transaprency?
[08:18] <Neil3> dang yeah i noticed
[08:19] <cge> Neil3: There is a package for Ubuntu if you search on the internet, however.
[08:19] <river> cge, fails to mount with ext3, however if I boot to the original grub menu and attempt to boot I see "filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83" does that help us ?
[08:19] <cge> river: Hmm... did you say that you have access to the /boot partition?
[08:20] <cge> tich: Your wireless card is working.
[08:21] <cge> tich: Could you pastebin the contents of /etc/network/interfaces?
[08:21] <tich> cge, yeah i'll let you know when it is done
[08:21] <schmirgo> good morning, i have somehow messed up my console with "sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup". i cannnot get the correct number of lines in the console. i.e. there is unused space at the lower end of the console but 2 more lines would fit in there how can i change it so that i can use this free space on the screen?
[08:22] <river> cge, only as far as the grub menu and if I proceed it does not get much further then what I mentioned above the "vmlinuz root=/dev/mapper/Ubuntu-root" then goes to balnk screen with cursor and hangs
[08:23] <cge> river: Aaaaaaaaah!!!! Were you using LVM or an encrypted root partition?
[08:23] <BeanBag> does Automatix realy help people set Ubuntu up? Im a total newb and i am struggling, but i want to ditch WinXP
[08:23] <anthrem> How is Ubuntu with the new upgrade?...Thinking about installing....curious
[08:23] <tich> cge, okay, it is pasted!
[08:23] <anthrem> longtime user of Fedora
[08:23] <cge> !automatix | BeanBag
[08:23] <ubotu> BeanBag: automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use.
[08:24] <seamus7> anthrem... what are the advantages of using Fedora over Ubuntu.. I thought of installing Fedora alongside my Ubuntu.
[08:24] <cge> BeanBag: If you look at the wiki page I directed you to, that should have the instructions you want.
[08:24] <ikor> anthrem, ubuntu is cool. enough?
[08:24] <tich> ubotu !easyubuntu
[08:24] <ubotu> easyubuntu is easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/  -  For help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu
[08:24] <anthrem> well, Fedora is sideways supported by lots, but so is Ubuntu
[08:24] <defrysk> seamus7, fedora core is a disaster compared to ubuntu
[08:24] <defrysk> thats about it
[08:24] <anthrem> I like COOL!
[08:24] <cge> tich: Where?
[08:25] <anthrem> Fedora is a HUGE disaster
[08:25] <anthrem> a real PITA
[08:25] <defrysk> anyway , ot
[08:25] <charle97> why?
[08:25] <defrysk> its slow and a pain to maintasin
[08:25] <huck> BeanBag: yea, apparently there's issues with it. I never had a problem with it on 2 different machines, but it might be more of a risk than it's worth
[08:25] <tich> cge, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30387/ (lines 1-24)
[08:25] <schmirgo> anthrem, its very good. if you want an easy setup... it detected my widescreen with the install cd and wifi and suspend to disk. i could surf the web over wifi while installing it, everything worked aut of the box

[08:25] <anthrem> Fedora sucks because of the maintainence
[08:25] <defrysk> yum is a disaster
[08:26] <anthrem> I heard the new Ubuntu upgrade was not so good...anyone here seeing troubles?
[08:26] <defrysk> yellow dogs update moloch
[08:26] <mitrovarr> I know this is a stupid question, but what do I put into fstab to make a filesystem read/write to everyone, not just root?
[08:26] <charle97> i've seen reviews that said that yum owns apt
[08:26] <anthrem> yum really sucks IMHO
[08:26] <defrysk> anthrem, better fresh install this time
[08:26] <cge> mitrovarr: Look at the umask option in the mount manpage.
[08:26] <charle97> clean install edgy, don't upgrade
[08:26] <pc3> ra
[08:26] <huck> !ubotu mp3 | BeanBag
[08:26] <ubotu> BeanBag: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:27] <anthrem> so the edgy upgrade is better for a fresh install? Excellent!!!
[08:27] <seamus7> defrysk: ahh .. I only thought of installing Fedora but after looking at screenshots for many other distributions and reading that most of the same packages are available and most use Gnome or KDE ... I'm wondering why I would want to leave Ubuntu for another distribution?
[08:27] <maxamillion> i installed and then changed my mirrors to mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu but my work machine is still on the defaults ... any reason why one would recieve a new nvidia-glx package and new linux kernel headings as an update but the other didn't even though both are almost identicle in hardware
[08:27] <defrysk> not really but yes
[08:27] <cge> anthrem: No, you should do a fresh install of edgy.
[08:27] <BeanBag> huck: im currently checking those pages out... thanks a million for the help
[08:27] <cge> anthrem: If you can do so easily.
[08:27] <river> cge, it is likely as a partition within the "extended" with filetype "unknown" has flags "lvm" when looking at it in gparted
[08:27] <charle97> i don't see edgy as an upgrade to dapper.  it's a new os to me
[08:28] <anthrem> that's what I mean....the edgy install would be good as a fresh...will do so that way
[08:28] <defrysk> seamus7, believe me, ubuntu is a GOOD distro and make many others seem dissapointing exept for perhaps slackware
[08:28] <huck> BeanBag: sure thing, cge is actually the one who pointed them out ;)
[08:28] <anthrem> where did I but the damn disk.... grr!
[08:28] <maxamillion> defrysk: you must enjoy upgrading packages manually
[08:28] <cge> river: Ah.
[08:28] <Juhaz> defrysk, if I'd be contemplating a switch, being yelled at by a choir of screaming idiots who don't bother to give reasons for their stupid "foo sucks" "arguments", I'd go back in a second
[08:28] <cge> river: Then I'm afraid I don't know how to help you.
[08:28] <cge> !lvm
[08:28] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[08:28] <defrysk> maxamillion, manually ?
[08:28] <Pyru> Hello, i have just finished downloading kubuntu, I don't have a blank cd but i mounted it with daemon toolz is there anyway i can install this without a blank cd? maybe make a new partition and somehow boot the iso from it or something?
[08:29] <river> cge, builtds me up then drops me like a sack of potatoes
[08:29] <cge> river: I've never used lvm before.
[08:29] <maxamillion> defrysk: to say that slackware isn't disapointing
[08:29] <anthrem> like the KDE apps, but still prefer ICEWM
[08:29] <anthrem> less CPU overhead
[08:29] <maxamillion> defrysk: slackware has nothing to manage packages
[08:29] <river> cge, I'm sure I used it accidently thinking it was going to allow me to seemlessly span drives
[08:29] <defrysk> maxamillion, slackware is a good ditro but likes to stick to old school solidness and snappieness
[08:30] <seamus7> Is there any way of fixing transparency display issues with my Panel Applets without having to do a complete reinstallation of Edgy? Anyone?
[08:30] <defrysk> maxamillion, its amatter of choice
[08:30] <maxamillion> defrysk: fair enough ... i'm just lazy and apt-get does the work for me :)
[08:30] <Pyru> Hello, i have just finished downloading kubuntu, I don't have a blank cd but i mounted it with daemon toolz is there anyway i can install this without a blank cd? maybe make a new partition and somehow boot the iso from it or something?
[08:30] <cge> river: It *will*, if I recall.
[08:30] <river> cge, sounds like this is all too hard and I'm going to be forced to use the old Microsoft trick....re-install from scratch and blow away anything on the drives
[08:31] <maxamillion> i installed and then changed my mirrors to mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu but my work machine is still on the defaults ... any reason why one would recieve a new nvidia-glx package and new linux kernel headings as an update but the other didn't even though both are almost identicle in hardware ... any thoughts?
[08:31] <cge> Pyru: Do you have any Linux livecd?
[08:31] <Vuen> anyone know where the language files for konqueror are? i want to change some strings
[08:31] <tich> cge, did you get the link to the pastebin? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30387/
[08:31] <cge> Pyru: And how much do you know about linux?
[08:31] <cge> tich: no, I didn't
[08:32] <cge> tich: have you tried ifup ath0?
[08:32] <Pyru> cge: i downloaded kubuntu opencd its an iso image on my desktop im currently on win xp trying to install kubuntu without a cd to burn the image too
[08:32] <cge> tich: Err, sudo ifup ath0
[08:32] <tich> cge, it sounds familiar but i will try it again.
[08:32] <charle97> pyru, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=794571&postcount=4
[08:32] <river> cge, thanks for your time anyway, I know you are trying to help 15 people at once
[08:32] <cge> Pyru: Yes, but the question is, do you have any way of running any version of Linux or a POSIX compliant OS on the computer, and how much do you know about Linux?
[08:33] <Pyru> I don't kno wmuch about linux, though I do have ubuntu 5.10 I think it was, on a cd burned it about a year ago =/
[08:33] <tich> cge, it says " SIOCADDRT: network is unreachable failed to bring up ath0"
[08:33] <maxamillion> Pyru: you should really download 6.10 ... alot has changed for the better
[08:33] <fredl> I'm having problems after my upgrade to Edgy. First it was a display driver problem but I think I fixed that as I'm now getting my gdm login again.
[08:34] <Pyru> I now have 6.10
[08:34] <Pyru> on a cd
[08:34] <Pyru> which I'm trying to install
[08:34] <Explosif> is there a way to clear the configuration to my wireless adapter? Im having trouble connecting to my network
[08:34] <maxamillion> Pyru: oh ... hrmmm
[08:34] <Pyru> but found out I have no blank cds
[08:34] <swift> i have a very old intel laptop that has only 32mb of ram, and am wanting to install ubuntu on it. Am i dreaming? if so, is there any other OS any one could recomend?
[08:34] <Pyru> lol
[08:34] <maxamillion> Pyru: sorry, missed the first part
[08:34] <cge> Pyru: I would wait and burn a copy then. There *is* a way to install from an image, but it requires considerable expertise.
[08:34] <fredl> but after I login the splash screen comes up, but shortly after the screen gets light grey
[08:34] <maxamillion> Pyru: ouch
[08:34] <denton_sk> join #udsmtv
[08:34] <swift> was that @ me denton?
[08:34] <cge> swift: Have you tried xubuntu, or dsl?
[08:34] <fredl> I still see some windows being built up but in light shades of grey.
[08:35] <mitrovarr> cge:  I know how that works with other filesystems, but what about ext2?  I don't know how permissions work with ext2 drives that aren't mounted as /
[08:35] <swift> cge: no i havnt tried any thing else
[08:35] <river> does anyone here know how to mount a partion which used to be root but managed under LVM ? i.e. what type should it be mounted as
[08:35] <cge> mitrovarr: umask *should* work with any ext2 partition.
[08:35] <mitrovarr> cge:  in that case, what number?   I read the manpage but it wasn't helpful
[08:35] <tich> cge, after i run ifup ath0 it says " SIOCADDRT: network is unreachable failed to bring up ath0"
[08:36] <fredl> If I choose a fluxbox session everything works.
[08:36] <cge> river: You can't just use mount, I believe. You have to set it up with the device mapper.
[08:36] <cge> mitrovarr: Try 666, maybe?
[08:36] <fredl> just not GNOME. Is there a known problem for GNOME/Edgy?
[08:36] <mitrovarr> cge: alright
[08:36] <antxon> Hi every body
[08:36] <charle97> hello
[08:36] <cge> swift: I am rather certain that Ubuntu won't work with 32MiB of RAM.
[08:36] <charle97> swift left
[08:36] <cge> bah, not fast enough
[08:37] <Explosif> !wireless
[08:37] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:37] <Vuen> anyone know where the language files for konqueror are? i want to change some strings
[08:37] <crimsun> it does work with 32 MiB
[08:37] <cge> crimsun: I doubt that.
[08:37] <crimsun> it's not necessarily a great user experience.
[08:37] <charle97> there's swift
[08:37] <cge> swift: I am rather certain that Ubuntu won't work with 32MiB of RAM.
[08:37] <crimsun> cge: I don't. I test-booted on 32 MiB.
[08:37] <mitrovarr> cge:  xubuntu does.  Badly.
[08:37] <sanmarcos> swift: definately not
[08:37] <river> cge, I think I might just torch it and do a clean install from the edgy livecd
[08:37] <charle97> ubuntu is sluggish on my 128
[08:38] <sanmarcos> 256mb minimum
[08:38] <swift> sorry, i was DCed
[08:38] <cursed> its like the 5th time i try to switch to linux, and every single time something prevents me from doing it! im cursed! and i though ubuntu finally make it easy, but no! it managed to make it worse! arhhhg
[08:38] <sanmarcos> if you want to run gnome that is
[08:38] <sanmarcos> cursed: whats the probleme?
[08:38] <morphius> Using 6.06: I have a script that I am running using cron. When it runs as cron, it will not work properly. If run from command prompt, however, it works fine. The script: Checks to see if the computer can ping google. Next, it checks to see if the IP address has changed. If it has it updates my wireless router using a perl web scraping script and changes the dmz. Any ideas?
[08:38] <cursed> sanmarcos: can't boot
[08:38] <river> although I do have two drives so it would be nice to use something that seamlessly spans the two
[08:38] <cge> river: If you have separate home partition, that is probably the best thing to do.
[08:38] <cursed> sanmarcos: i get to the first screen (boot / install), then kernel loads, then it reboots
[08:38] <cge> river: You can just set up LVM again, too.
[08:39] <sanmarcos> morphius: man 5 crontab, check to see which user is running it
[08:39] <cge> crimsun: Oh, wow.
[08:39] <antxon> hola amigos
[08:39] <sanmarcos> cursed: weird, does the live cd work?
[08:39] <fredl> is there a simple way to make GNOME forget it's configuration?
[08:39] <cge> crimsun: You were using a swap partition, right?
[08:39] <morphius> I should be running under root (as root: crontab -e)
[08:39] <sanmarcos> fredl: rm -rf ~/.gconf
[08:39] <swift> cge: sorry about that, im on a satelite from the middle of no where
[08:39] <crimsun> cge: no. I just didn't start the X Window System at all.
[08:39] <swift> can you sugest anything?
[08:39] <tich> cge, ifup ath0 didn't work.
[08:39] <cursed> sanmarcos: it used to, until yesterday. now i can't boot it
[08:39] <sanmarcos> fredl: and ~/.gnome*
[08:39] <cge> crimsun: Ah, so it wasn't a standard Ubuntu install. That makes sense.
[08:40] <river> cge, I don't have separate home never got that far...the intention was to move it to the other drive but -sigh- never managed to get that far (I'm a noob)
[08:40] <cge> swift: So people here think that xubuntu won't work very well, but you could try it.
[08:40] <fredl> sanmarcos, hmmm. do you know of any GNOME problems with Edgy?
[08:40] <cge> river: Oh, then you have a problem.
[08:40] <crimsun> Xubuntu won't work any better than Ubuntu or Kubuntu with only 32 MiB.
[08:40] <sanmarcos> fredl: specifically?
[08:40] <swift> cge: can't see why not :P thank you for your help.
[08:40] <cge> swift: You could also try DamnSmallLinux
[08:40] <sanmarcos> fredl: edgy has a lot of problems
[08:41] <crimsun> as soon as one starts the X Window System, you eat whatever memory would have been in dcache.
[08:41] <morphius> crimsum: might work with fluxbox though
[08:41] <crimsun> morphius: it's not the wm, it's the X server itself.
[08:41] <swift> cge: it's for my little bro, and i know little of linux any way, so i was looking for something easy
[08:41] <fredl> yeah. Because I upgraded to Edgy yesterday and when I log in on a GNOME session, the splash comes up but it seems whenever the control-panel starts coming up the screen turns grey
[08:41] <river> cge, fortunately it is only one of the kids machines so apparently not a huge loss so in the interest of time maybe this is the next best way forward
[08:41] <link_36p> im trying to make a script to launch warcraft III
[08:41] <cge> swift: Hmm... in that case I'm afraid that you will have problems.
[08:41] <morphius> crimsun: right, but does fluxbox even use x?
[08:41] <crimsun> morphius: ...yes.
[08:42] <cge> swift: If it isn't a laptop, it would probably be worthwhile to just get some more RAM for it.
[08:42] <gleidson> #pt
[08:42] <morphius> crimsun: ...oh
[08:42] <link_36p> wine "/home/patrick/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/Warcraft III/war3.exe" says there is no such file or directory when launched in a script, but not just from pasting it into a terminal, any suggestions?
[08:42] <cge> swift: Old RAM is quite cheap, and there are probably a variety of people who would give it away.
[08:42] <river> cge, thanks for your attempts at help within all this other noise
[08:42] <swift> cge: tis a laptop :P maybe i will just build him a desktop
[08:42] <mitrovarr> cge:  mount won't accept umask as an option
[08:42] <charle97> link, you need to use a C: path
[08:43] <cge> river: wait a bit
[08:43] <fredl> sanmarcos, I see TONS of messages in my .xsession-errors like ALSA lib conf.c:3947:(snd_config_expand) Evaluate error: No such file or directory
[08:43] <cge> mitrovarr: Oh
[08:43] <tich> cge, do you have any other ideas to get the wireless working?
[08:43] <Explosif> !flash
[08:43] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:43] <Explosif> !java
[08:43] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java  -  For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[08:43] <cge> tich: Yes. Do you have network-manager installed?
[08:43] <river> cge, waiting...
[08:43] <gleidson> #brasil
[08:43] <gleidson> #brazil
[08:43] <tich> cge, yes, it is installed
[08:43] <charle97> link, C:\\Program Files\Warcraft III\war3.exe
[08:43] <sanmarcos> fredl: weird, just reinstall if you can, try login in as another user, if not, then you could apt-get install --reinstall --purge those packages
[08:44] <cge> river: In the LiveCD, can you run vgchange as root?
[08:44] <link_36p> charle97, but im making a scipt to do battle net hacks (just to log on) and i need to CD into the directory to mv some stuff around during launch
[08:44] <fredl> sanmarcos, Hmm, logging in as another user sounds like a plan
[08:44] <mitrovarr> cge:  hah, I'm retarded.  All I had to do was change the permissions of the directory it was mounted into
[08:44] <fredl> lemme try that
[08:44] <cge> tich: Remove the lines about ath0 in /etc/network/interfaces, and then run nm-applet
[08:44] <river> cge, I'll try from a terminal
[08:44] <link_36p> charle97 when puting cd "directory" into a bash file it says it doesnt exist
[08:44] <cge> mitrovarr: I'm just as bad for not remembering that and telling you...
[08:44] <tich> cge, okay i'll give it a go, should i restart?
[08:45] <cge> tich: No
[08:45] <sanmarcos> fredl: then you can tell if its the users problem
[08:45] <charle97> link, isn't what you're doing violating the bnet tos
[08:45] <cge> tich: Oh, but you should run sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart
[08:45] <river> cge, tried "sudo vgchange" but command not found
[08:45] <charle97> link, they may ban you
[08:45] <mitrovarr> cge:  oh well, I know now at least.  it's only ext2s that work that way, I know for a fact it doesn't work with no permissions fs
[08:45] <cge> charle97: Running it in Linux is probably a TOS violation anyway.
[08:45] <morphius> lol @ charle97
[08:46] <sizzam_> how do i get the foot icon back for the gnome menu
[08:46] <tich> cge, just the lines that have ath0 in them or should i # other lines as well?
[08:46] <sizzam_> in edgy
[08:46] <morphius> do they even _maintain_ battlenet anymore
[08:46] <cge> tich: Just the ath0 lines
[08:46] <link_36p> charle97 i dont care i own the game
[08:46] <morphius> what game is it link?
[08:46] <link_36p> charle97: so u dont know why bash says the directory doesnt exist?
[08:46] <charle97> warcraft 3
[08:46] <tich> cge, and i should leave the wlan0 line alone?
[08:47] <link_36p> morphius: warcraf III
[08:47] <pyc> ogg to avi, any tool for ubuntu?
[08:47] <morphius> they probably won't care
[08:47] <cge> river: What about pvscan?
[08:47] <cge> tich: I think so, yes.
[08:47] <charle97> link, sorry i don't know
[08:48] <river> cge, nope, same result
[08:48] <tich> cge, nm says that no network devices have been found
[08:48] <cge> river: Did you run the dbus restart command?
[08:49] <cge> Err, tich: Did you run the dbus restart command
[08:49] <tich> cge, no is it: sudo dbus?
[08:49] <river> cge, did I miss something, "dbus restart command" ?
[08:49] <cge> river: No, that was meant for tich
[08:49] <cge> tich: sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart
[08:50] <river> cge, heh, I don't know how you run multiple stacks
[08:51] <cge> river: It is difficult.
[08:51] <cge> river: I never come here expecting to answer people's questions, either. I just somehow start doing.
[08:51] <cge> it
[08:51] <Hopp> hi
[08:52] <river> cge,your assist is appreciated.. how about I go and eat my dinner and come back in 30min hopefully you are still here and not trying to help 15 people at once
[08:52] <Hopp> anyone knows how to play different dvb-s freqs using vlc
[08:52] <cge> river:  I might still be here.
[08:52] <mitrovarr> cge:  I think I fixed that filesystem thing, it just required copying a large file to the filesystem in linux.  Linux has the wit to change the large-file flag if you move one in, ext2ifs just doesn't (so it won't make the filesystem incompatible with old kernels.)
[08:52] <river> cge, see you then, thanks
[08:52] <morphix> hi, due to some issues with the current ubuntu kernel i was forced to compile my own custom <IP_ADDRESS> kernel, but now nvidia drivers do not work.. and i'm unable to get into X
[08:52] <cge> river: You're welcome
[08:52] <cge> mitrovarr: Ah.
[08:52] <mitrovarr> morphix:  you'll have to get the Nvidia drivers from Nvidia and compile them yourself
[08:52] <FirstStrike> morphish: when you compile a new kernel you need to reinstall your graphics drivers
[08:52] <morphix> FirstStrike: yeh i know.. and thats what i did.
[08:53] <morphix> didnt work
[08:53] <mitrovarr> morphix:  check to make sure it's compiling with the same GCC version as the kernel
[08:53] <FirstStrike> you need to compile them yourself. you can't just install the nvidia-glx with a custom kernel.
[08:53] <morphius> morphix, before you do that what was your specific error
[08:53] <Tru7h> Could somebody explain how to upgrade to edgy?
[08:53] <cge> Tru7h: Do you have a separate home partition?
[08:53] <morphius> Tru7h: DONT use apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:54] <Brandals> hi...!
[08:54] <cge> morphius: Why not?
[08:54] <Geoffrey2> is there a visual partition manager in Edgy?
[08:54] <Tru7h> cge: I only have one partition for Linux. It's dual-booting with Windows.
[08:54] <Tru7h> morphius: How come?
[08:54] <compudaze> Geoffrey2: install gparted
[08:54] <tich> cge, the wireless network shows up, it tried to connect for a long time but then went back to no network connection.
[08:54] <morphius> cge: theres a new command for it, and It will cause a problem or two which you will have to resolve manually if you do.
[08:54] <Brandals> what the topic
[08:54] <cge> tich: Do you have DHCP running on your wireless access point?
[08:55] <tich> cge, yep.
[08:55] <cge> morphius: Yes, I know that update-manager is there, but it uses X which I don't like.
[08:55] <cge> morphius: And the only problem I have heard about apt-get dist-upgrade is that it won't work if you don't have ubuntu-desktop installed.
[08:55] <cge> tich: Hmm...
[08:55] <morphix> Firetech: ah ok.. **der** forgot.. so i would just need to install nvidia-kernel-source?
[08:55] <mitrovarr> yay, 6.10 has firefox 2
[08:55] <mitrovarr> I've been looking forward to that
[08:55] <morphius> cge: yes but I used apt-get and had to force install gconf2
[08:55] <morphix> and compile it
[08:56] <Tru7h> Should I install edgy over my old version?
[08:56] <FirstStrike> No
[08:56] <morphius> Sure you can do that Tru7h. Just be aware that there might be a conflict or two.
[08:56] <mitrovarr> morphix:  I'd actually go to nvidia.com, get their driver package, and run their installer
[08:56] <cge> Tru7h: If you have only one partition, then no.
[08:56] <morphius> cge: why not?
[08:56] <cge> Tru7h: Using update-manager would be best.
[08:56] <Brandals> hi...!
[08:56] <cge> morphius: Installing over it would likely wipe the partition.
[08:57] <compudaze> morphix: install xorg-dev and linux-headers-generic (or whatever kernel u have) and use nvidia's installer
[08:57] <morphix> mitrovarr: well i'm kinda limit by the fact i cant load X to use a web browser.
[08:57] <morphix> i'm getting mixed input here
[08:57] <morphix> lol
[08:57] <Tru7h> cge: So, there is a way to update my version without downloading, burning, and installing edgy?
[08:57] <compudaze> since you have a custom kernel, use it's headers
[08:57] <cge> Tru7h: Yes, update-manager
[08:57] <morphius> Tru7hOh I see. Yes you should install over using update-manager no you should not re-install off the CD
[08:57] <mitrovarr> morphix:  have someone get the web address and then use wget
[08:57] <morphix> i made headers.. and installed them
[08:57] <Tru7h> cge: Alright. Thanks.
[08:57] <cge> !update | Tru7h
[08:57] <ubotu> Tru7h: For upgrading, see instructions at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes (you can also find this in the channel topic: type "/topic")  -  See also !downgrade
[08:58] <BeanBag> how can i configure GRUB so that it boots  ANOTHER (Windows XP [please dont kill me]  ) partition by default?
[08:58] <Tru7h> I'm quite new at this distro of Linux, I appreciate your guys' help.
[08:58] <mitrovarr> morphix:  Do you have internet access at least?
[08:58] <tich> cge, i've heard some folks say that a fresh install is good for going to edgy, should i do that? could the update have screwed some stuff up?
[08:58] <morphius> Tru7h: you can also use https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades
[08:58] <compudaze> morphix: use the 'nv' X driver for now just to get to X to make it easier
[08:58] <Tru7h> Thanks for the links.
[08:58] <morphix> mitrovarr: i'm currently on the machine.. so yes. i have web access just no X
[08:58] <mitrovarr> morphix:  32bit or 64bit linux?
[08:58] <morphix> 32bit
[08:58] <cge> morphix: Install elinks?
[08:58] <morphix> elinks?
[08:59] <cge> morphix: A console based browser.
[08:59] <mitrovarr> morphix:  I think 'wget http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-8776/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-8776-pkg1.run' should work
[08:59] <BeanBag>  morphix: Why 32bit? whats wrong with 64bit?
[08:59] <Geoffrey2> when I do a 'sudo nautilus', I'm getting a warning about a session DBUS connection failing to open...is that something I can fix, or is it not a big deal?
[08:59] <Flannel> Geoffrey2: you should use gksudo
[08:59] <thor> does anyone know what ubuntu uses instead of .xinitrc?
[08:59] <mitrovarr> morphix:  sorry you can't use copy and paste :-(
[08:59] <morphix> well ive heard there are some probs with 64bit atm so i am just sticking to 32bit OS right now.. just want to get the functionality back on here
[08:59] <cge> Geoffrey2: don't worry about it.
[08:59] <tich> cge, why doesn't nm show the wired connection?
[08:59] <morphix> hmm
[09:00] <cge> tich: A fresh install would be good, yes.
[09:00] <Flannel> BeanBag: you can change your default in the grub menu, /etc/grub/boot.lst
[09:00] <cge> tich: And nm ignores any device that is listed in /etc/network/interfaces.
[09:00] <BeanBag>  morphix: what are the main probs? Im running 64bit now, dapper
[09:00] <compudaze> morphix: just use the 'nv' driver till u can make your own nvidia driver
 fresh instal will overpass every error!!
[09:01] <mitrovarr> morphix:  using the nv driver is a good idea too.  Then, you can use x to get and install the driver
[09:01] <BeanBag> Flannel: Thanks, what option should i add?
[09:01] <compudaze> BeanBag: how hard is it to get 32-bit only apps running?
[09:01] <cge> mzli: Ubuntu is really lacking in terms of upgradeability, unfortunately.
[09:01] <tich> cge, ah that makes sense.  i don't know if you have any other suggestions but...
[09:02] <Flannel> BeanBag: it's already in there, something like "Default 0"  you'll change that number
[09:02] <morphix> mitrovarr: my X is currently set up for dual screen.. i'd have to generate a new xorg.conf just to use nv drivers
[09:02] <tich> cge, thanks for all the help
 right. I've dead once.
and reinstall.
[09:02] <BeanBag> compudaze: What apps are 32bit only?
[09:02] <cge> mzli: I reinstall about once every few months.
[09:02] <compudaze> morphix: easy... make a backup of your current xorg.conf and run, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:02] <cge> mzli: Often in bizarre ways, like using a Dapper LiveCD to install Edgy.
[09:02] <mitrovarr> morphix:  well, you could just dupe the current file and use an interim one.
[09:02] <domster> Does anyone know where vino-server logs to. Or, because it doesn't seem to log anywhere, how to make it log somewhere - I'm having auth issues.
[09:02] <BeanBag>  Flannel: thanks, will try that out
[09:02] <mitrovarr> morphix:  but if you really don't wanna use x, did you try to get that file the way I suggested?
[09:02] <avagant> Ok with xchat-gnome is there a way I can change where the users are?
[09:03] <compudaze> BeanBag: vmware-server-console
[09:03] <compudaze> BeanBag: i haven't found a 64-bit binary
[09:03] <cge> avagant: No (it's xchat GNOME!)
[09:03] <morphix> would it be better to use the drivers from the nvidia site or just compile my own  kernel modules?
[09:03] <Flannel> !nvidia | morphix
[09:03] <ubotu> morphix: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:03] <mitrovarr> morphix:  it's the same thing, the driver from nvidia compiles itself for your kernle
[09:03] <morphix> mitrovarr: yeh manually typed out the url (eek) and its downloading atm
[09:03] <compudaze> you're not really compiling the module anyway, it's closed source, you're just making it work with your kernel
[09:03] <avagant> no but i mean i don't like the popup list.
hoho~ ,  I install system almost daily recently.
[09:03] <mitrovarr> morphix:  that's why I mentioned making sure you had the right GCC, sometimes the module is a pain
[09:04] <abnerian_> Hey, how do I tell what version of madwifi I have installed?
[09:04] <avagant> I want the popup list to show on the side.
[09:04] <avagant> So I can actually tell who's in the room.
[09:04] <BeanBag>  compudaze: but for watching movies, songs and running cedega is 64bit okay?
[09:04] <tich> cge, that's funny i used a dapper livecd to install edgy as well! (but now i am going to do it cleanly)
i'd like to try each *nix system
[09:04] <mitrovarr> compudaze:  I'm pretty sure you do compile it, because I've had the module bitching about the wrong kernel version, wrong gcc used, etc. just like a module.
[09:04] <cge> avagant: Yes, you can't do that in xchat-gnome. You could install xchat though.
[09:04] <avagant> DANG
[09:04] <avagant> well I have both.
[09:04] <tich> cge, did you have any major problems when you did it?
[09:04] <avagant> haha
[09:04] <cge> tich: No. You used debootstrap?
[09:04] <avagant> So I just learned how to dualboot, and I'm super proud of myself.
[09:04] <compudaze> the actual drive part is closed source.
[09:04] <compudaze> driver
[09:05] <compudaze> you do compile stuff
[09:05] <abnerian_> I learned how to dual boot before I learned what ls meant.
[09:05] <mitrovarr> compudaze:  makes sense
[09:05] <abnerian_> Because I REALLY liked gaming.
[09:05] <mitrovarr> compudaze:  I know it's not open source but I thought you still compiled it
[09:05] <cge> avagant: The actual xchat is in universe though, if you install the xchat package.
[09:05] <avagant> Well I tried dual booting with linux first.
[09:05] <tich> cge, what is debootstrap... so, i probably didn't use it :)
[09:05] <JayFM> I'm back :)
[09:05] <avagant> And that didn't work.
[09:05] <cge> avagant: That has the user list type that you want.
[09:05] <mitrovarr> anyone know if neverwinter 2 runs on linux?  1 did.
[09:05] <cge> tich: How did you install Edgy with the Dapper cd then?
[09:05] <avagant> So I spent all afternoon downloading windows, THEN netbooting Ubuntu.
[09:05] <abnerian_> Does anyone here know how I might go about telling what version of Madwifi I have installed?
[09:06] <avagant> ERr installing windows I might say.
[09:06] <compudaze> BeanBag: yeah it's good for that, but i need to run binary distributed apps that only are available in 32-bit
[09:06] <cge> avagant: Was it a downloaded copy :)
[09:06] <tich> cge, i installed dapper then upgraded using the update manager
[09:06] <avagant> No it was a completely legal version :D
[09:06] <morphix> mitrovarr: what was the *-dev packages i needed apart from xorg-dev ? there were a few errors during the installation
[09:06] <cge> tich: Ah. A fresh install should help then.
[09:07] <JayFM> Hey, can someone please help me. I have a WPA-PSK (TKIP) enrypted network, although i can't connect to it. Can someone please help me?
[09:07] <progek> can someone help me set up the java jdk? I had no problem in dapper but for some reason it's not working in edgy. I downloaded the latest version from sun, stored it in /usr/local and adding a path in my bashrc. When I check my javac version it shows gcj and there is no alternative using update-alternatives
[09:07] <compudaze> morphix: u should have build-essential probably
[09:07] <mitrovarr> morphix:  I don't know, sorry.  You need build-essentials to make the module, I'm sure
[09:07] <xcess>  How can we setup PATH variable for x-windows session?
[09:07] <morphix> compudaze: already have that, needed that to actually compile :P
[09:07] <ekalavya> try automatix progek
[09:07] <tich> cge, great.  i kinda enjoy reinstalling anyhow. it is somewhat meditative.
[09:07] <cge> avagant: I actually use a downloaded copy even though I have a proper licence, because it installs more cleanly.
[09:07] <compudaze> would hurt to install automake1.9 either, duno if it's needed
[09:07] <ekalavya> go to http://getautomatox.com
[09:07] <ekalavya> go to http://getautomatix.com
[09:07] <mitrovarr> morphix:  It takes a little bit of work to make the module-compiler work.  It's a pain.  I wish I remembered how, but I don't think there's any other way to make it work than to do it this way.
[09:07] <avagant> Yah the version I have actually installs within 2 hours.
[09:07] <progek> thanks
[09:08] <BeanBag> have anyone here tried Cedega before?
[09:08] <cge> ! automatix | progek
[09:08] <compudaze> you also need your kernel source, may need to tell the NVIDIA prog where the headers are
[09:08] <ubotu> progek: automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use.
[09:08] <Flannel> ekalavya: please don't recommend automatix here
[09:08] <avagant> cge: Actually I just have the media version.
[09:08] <mitrovarr> BeanBag:  I made it from source, but not the pay version.
[09:08] <avagant> cge: But hey it works and it gets the job done.
[09:08] <morphix> compudaze: i installed the kernel headers when i made and installed this kernel
[09:08] <BeanBag>  mitrovarr: where can i get the source? is it hard to compile?
[09:08] <compudaze> what errors do you get then?
[09:09] <avagant> Plus I have sound in it, and that's a major thing. That's how I got into this Ubuntu mess in the first place :D
[09:09] <Flannel> progek: whats wrong with the jdk in the repositories?
[09:09] <progek> well, I think it's just a path problem
[09:09] <zerosmoke> ok total newb to irc here, anyone have a copy?
[09:09] <morphix> compudaze: only missing *-dev packages but the installer still works
[09:09] <progek> well, can't compile advanced java apps, it chokes and complains
[09:09] <cge> zerosmoke: What?
[09:09] <mitrovarr> BeanBag:  You get the source from the CVS repository; they have instructions on how to get it on the cedega site.  There's good instructions on how to compile it online, as well as scripts to help.
[09:09] <morphix> for xorg-dev etc
[09:09] <Flannel> progek: the sun jdk?
[09:09] <Flannel> progek: it's the same jdk you'll get from the sun site
[09:10] <morphix> nvm.. seemed it only needed xorg-dev
[09:10] <morphix> :)
[09:10] <tich> cge, thanks for all the help.
[09:10] <zerosmoke> :cge: ok
[09:10] <morphix> brb.. testing this
[09:10] <JayFM> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=293864
[09:10] <JayFM> Can someone please help me?
[09:10] <compudaze> xorg-dev is more than enough, i'm sure it really only needs some of those packages
[09:10] <mitrovarr> BeanBag:  the compiled version is not as good though because it doesn't have the copy protection things.    I never got it to run any games more than incredibly half-assed.
[09:10] <cge> tich: Sorry I couldn't be more helpful.
[09:10] <gaurav> hello channel
[09:10] <cge> zerosmoke: What do you mean?
[09:10] <gaurav> I'm not able to install printer in Edgy.
[09:10] <zerosmoke> sorry, cb talk
[09:11] <gaurav> via gnome-cups-add
[09:11] <zerosmoke> testing to make sure its working
[09:11] <mitrovarr> So, does anyone know which linux-image version I use for 64-bit on a core 2 duo?
[09:11] <cge> gaurav: What happens?
[09:11] <morphius> JayFM: you may need to be using wpa supplicant to connect to wpa networks
[09:11] <compudaze> mitrovarr: linux-image-generic
[09:11] <mitrovarr> compudaze:  thanks.
[09:11] <tich> cge, don't apologize, you saw this process through to the end. no one could ask anything else of someone.
[09:11] <cge> zerosmoke: Ah, then yes, it is working.
[09:11] <JayFM> I've had a little look around, but i can't find out how to configure it.
[09:11] <compudaze> you need to get it from the binary_amd64 archive though it you want a 64-bit system
[09:11] <gaurav> cge, wait a minute I'm pasting
[09:11] <zerosmoke> hey anyway...installing xubuntu alternate install and it goes fine until i run into configuring anthy...anyone run into same problem?
[09:11] <morphius> mitrovarr: the combined the 386 and 64 kernel into one
[09:11] <cge> gaurav: Where?
[09:12] <JayFM> http://www.debianadmin.com/enable-wpa-wireless-access-point-in-ubuntu-linux.html
[09:12] <JayFM> That's the sign :)
[09:12] <compudaze> mitrovarr: if you're not running 64-bit now you'll have to reinstall the amd64 version
[09:12] <JayFM> sight*
[09:12] <compudaze> anthy?
[09:12] <mitrovarr> compudaze:  I am, I just wanted to make sure I had the right kernel (like with the 386/k7/686 ones)
[09:12] <quattromaggio> raga
[09:12] <morphix> thanks guys.. worked perfect :)
[09:12] <quattromaggio> che repo posso usare?
[09:13] <cge> JayFM: I can never get wpa_supplicant to work without it doing something stupid, like resetting the connection every ~10 seconds.
[09:13] <compudaze> mitrovarr: if you do uname -a you'll see it's it's 64bit
[09:13] <mitrovarr> compudaze:  I know I'm running 64 bit.  I just wanted to make sure I had the proper optimized kernel, like getting the K7 kernel for amd 32 bit proccessors.
[09:13] <compudaze> mine says i686, but if you're amd64 it should read something like X86_64
[09:13] <zerosmoke> compudaze: apparently its a japanese text software or something for linux
[09:13] <JayFM> Lol, well what am i supposed to do?
[09:13] <JayFM> I need this connection.
[09:13] <JayFM> :S
[09:14] <cge> JayFM: Don't use wpa? :(
[09:14] <compudaze> mitrovarr: there's basicly 3 for ubuntu, 386, generic, server - everything else is deprecated in edgy
[09:14] <progek> it has a problem with the formatter object among scanner and using tomcat with servlets. I downloaded the sun jdk just like I did last time but I am trying to just add a path. I can compile within the bin directory from my jdk
[09:14] <JayFM> I don't have a choice :(
[09:14] <cge> JayFM: I'm sure someone else in here can help you.
[09:14] <gaurav> cge, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30393/
[09:14] <mitrovarr> compudaze:  i just upgraded, so I did not know that.  Thanks.
[09:14] <compudaze> np
[09:14] <JayFM> Well help me find someone :P
[09:14] <JayFM> (Please)
[09:14] <progek> but not outside the folder
[09:14] <gaurav> cge, my printer is attached to server running Dapper
[09:14] <compudaze> i should goto sleep i guess
[09:15] <gaurav> cge, and I'm running Edgy
[09:15] <cge> gaurav: You are running it with sudo or gksudo, right?
[09:15] <mitrovarr> compudaze: laters, and thanks for the help
[09:15] <aldwin> is there anyone that could help me install the ubuntu 6.10. it didnt work with my desktop computer with the processor of amd2 x2 64bit with asus m2npv-mx??? (please do help me, i can chat via pm too)
[09:15] <zerosmoke> what's the problem aldwin?
[09:15] <mitrovarr> aldwin:  Mention your specific problems and if anyone knows the solution, we'll tell you
[09:16] <aldwin> okay
[09:16] <aldwin> wait
[09:16] <cge> aldwin: And if no one knows, we'll ignore you, or argue about what you need to do.
[09:16] <mitrovarr> cge:  too true :-)
[09:16] <gaurav> cge, yes
[09:16] <aldwin> pls wait
[09:16] <zerosmoke> aldwin:  or we'll give you paypal email accounts first
[09:17] <zoople> hey, does anyone know a good p2p software? tried amule..doesnt seem to download and frostwire doesnt load..any suggestiongs
[09:17] <zerosmoke> bearshare
[09:17] <gaurav> cge, I've installed from scratch
[09:17] <zoople> for linux?
[09:17] <aldwin> first i did download the image of 6.10 abuntu then burn it in the cd rom
[09:17] <zerosmoke> mmm...you got me there
[09:17] <cge> cge,  let me think
[09:17] <gaurav> cge, I'm running gnome-cups-add with gksu
[09:17] <charlie5> hello ... does anyone know what would cause this when running an app ? .....    /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied
[09:18] <aldwin> i did reboot my pc and then the cd client was the one working (nothings wrong with that). Until when i enter the choice of installing it in my computer.
[09:18] <cge> charlie5: It means that the app isn't executable.
[09:18] <aldwin> there... nothing happens...
[09:18] <aldwin> :(
[09:18] <JayFM> Sorry, but can anyone here help me connect to a WPA-PSK (TKIP) secured network. I have a Netgear 108Mb/s Wireless PCI adapter (WG311T). Ta.
[09:18] <cge> gaurav: Ok, so what happens when you try to add it with gnome-cups-add. I can't tell from the output.
[09:18] <mitrovarr> aldwin:  is your keyboard working?  does up and down do anything?  my motherboard doesn't handle USB keyboards without drivers
[09:19] <compudaze> stupid xchat-gnome keeps crashing
[09:19] <cge> compudaze: Have you tried plain xchat?
[09:19] <iwaterball> charlie5: most common cause: you're running a shell script that had been converted to a dos text file rather then a unix text file, used dos2unix
[09:19] <compudaze> anyone know if xchat-gnome supports virtual hosts?
[09:19] <Flannel> compudaze: install plain xchat, it's in universe
[09:19] <gaurav> cge, printer doesn't get installed
[09:19] <compudaze> cge: it doesn't look as pretty ;p
[09:19] <Karass> Hi, can anyone suggest a substitute app for adobe illustrator/fotoshop?
[09:19] <aldwin> yes, my keyboard is working
[09:19] <cge> gaurav: But it runs fine?
[09:19] <mitrovarr> Karass:  GIMP for fotoshop
[09:19] <compudaze> does xchat allow you to bind to an ip alias?
[09:19] <gaurav> cge, what runs fine ?
[09:19] <zerosmoke> karass, mgi photosuite
[09:19] <aldwin> mitrovar: my keyboard works
[09:19] <JayFM> !wpa
[09:19] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:20] <mitrovarr> aldwin:  so you hit enter on the install and it just hangs there?
[09:20] <Karass> zerdith: ok, phptpsuite? in universe? And what about illustrator?
[09:20] <aldwin> mitrovarr: it did work and i did choose installing it in my hard drvive but nothing happens
[09:20] <charlie5> iwaterball: thats sounds likely ... ui may have de-cpmpressed the gzipped  tarball wrong ?
[09:20] <cge> gaurav: I mean, gnome-cups-add doesn't give you any errors? It runs as it should, but then doesn't add the printer?
[09:20] <mitrovarr> aldwin:  no error messages?
[09:20] <aldwin> mitrovarr: it just ended with the logo of ubuntu in block and white and the computer stops right there.
[09:20] <gaurav> cge, yes it doesn't give any error dialog boxes
[09:20] <charlie5> cge: thanks ... the binary seems to have 'x' mode set
[09:20] <aldwin> mitrovarr: no, no message at all.
[09:21] <cge> gaurav: Oh dear, let me think for a moment.
[09:21] <iwaterball> charlie5: no but someone might compressed it wrong
[09:21] <compudaze> we'll see if this is any better
[09:21] <mitrovarr> aldwin:  hmm.... it's a desktop, right?
[09:21] <zerosmoke> aldwin, that happened to me with xubuntu install, so i tried alternate install...so far it worked up to configuring anthy
[09:21] <charlie5> iwaterball: thank you ... i'll try dos2unix :)
[09:21] <mitrovarr> aldwin:  oh, good idea, do the alternative install disk
[09:21] <zerosmoke> how much ram you got aldwin?
[09:21] <aldwin> ah okay.
[09:22] <Flannel> zerosmoke: you might try asking in #xubuntu, they'd have a better chance of knowing
[09:22] <aldwin> so how can i do the alternative install disk???
[09:22] <zerosmoke> ...
[09:22] <zerosmoke> i thought that's where i was
[09:22] <charlie5> iwaterball: do you know which package has dos2unix ?
[09:22] <iwaterball> Karass: for vector drawing try inkscape
[09:22] <zerosmoke> duhhhhhh
[09:22] <Flannel> zerosmoke: nope, this is #ubuntu ;)
[09:22] <cge> gaurav: The best option in your case, since you have a root password, is to edit the /etc/cups/cupsd.conf to allow the web configuration system, and then use that.
[09:22] <zerosmoke> ok, over and out
[09:22] <cge> gaurav: I haven't had too much success with gnome-cups-add
[09:22] <mitrovarr> aldwin:  go download it from the ubuntu site, burn it, and then boot off of it just like the other one
[09:22] <gaurav> cge, Okay
[09:22] <cge> Karass: Yes, Inkscape is very good.
[09:22] <aldwin> okay thank you...
[09:22] <aldwin> thanks to you all
[09:23] <compudaze> ahh yes, xchat does support ip binding
[09:23] <iwaterball> charlie5: sorry, I'm too fasr from my ubuntu to check for you, try a search in packages.ubuntu.com
[09:23] <Karass> iwaterball: yeah, i've tried that. but it hardly is enough. Just take a look at all those filters and easy functionality on illustrator. if there are plugins in the repos, i've not seen any.
[09:23] <mitrovarr> aldwin:  That might really help because the problem may be some hardware incompatibility with the liveCD
[09:23] <cge> Karass: I believe Photoshop will run in Wine, as well.
[09:23] <gaurav> cge, Unable to copy PPD file!
[09:23] <charlie5> iwaterball: not a prob ... i can check myself ... thanks again
[09:23] <gaurav> cge, ^^^ error at web interface
[09:23] <mitrovarr> aldwin:  It'll bypass all that, since the other one doesn't boot into X or anything
[09:23] <gaurav> cge, BtW, my printer is HP LaserJet 3050 present in HPLIP distribution
[09:23] <cge> gaurav: Sounds like a problem with the ipp server.
[09:23] <Intimate`>  http://juicer.moviecity.hop.clickbank.net   http://juicer.richjerk.hop.clickbank.net  - pick one =]
[09:24] <cge> gaurav: Ah, it could be a problem with hplip over the network, maybe.
[09:24] <gaurav> cge, lemme try to add network printer
[09:24] <gaurav> s/network/local/
[09:25] <SurfnKid> cge, im back
[09:25] <SurfnKid> got it all copied, done
[09:25] <cge> SurfnKid: Good
[09:25] <JayFM> Sorry, but can anyone here help me connect to a WPA-PSK (TKIP) secured network? I have a Netgear 108Mb/s Wireless PCI adapter (WG311T).
[09:25] <SurfnKid> thanks for the command, very useful for the future
[09:25] <aldwin> mitrovar: am i doing the right thing? downloading the ubuntu-6.10-alternative-amd64.iso???
[09:25] <cge> JayFM: Try asking on the forums or (better yet) the mailing list.
[09:26] <cge> SurfnKid: Yes, loop mounting is very useful.
[09:26] <mitrovarr> aldwin:  You are if you have a 64 bit processor
[09:26] <mitrovarr> aldwin:  Do you?
[09:26] <JayFM> I've asked on the forums, but i'll try the mailing list.
[09:27] <cge> JayFM: I've found that the mailing list tends to be best.
[09:27] <iwaterball> Karass: filters in a verctor drawing program?
[09:28] <mitrovarr> iwaterball:  they exist, they're just vector filters
[09:28] <gaurav> cge, I've tried HP driver in a local printer it failed to install
[09:28] <cge> gaurav: Hmm...
[09:28] <gaurav> cge, but when I tried Apple printer's PPD in local and network, both worked fine
[09:28] <cge> gaurav: Does the laserjet that you have actually need HPLIP, or can it use another driver?
[09:29] <gaurav> gaurav, I also tried using Casio's ppd it failed too
[09:29] <Slothbag1> anyone know how to run setterm -powersave  remotely? i get cannot un(set) powersave
[09:29] <gaurav> cge, it needs HPLIP
[09:29] <cge> gaurav: Hmm...
[09:29] <cge> gaurav: And hplip is installed?
[09:29] <gaurav> cge, as PPD is present in the HPLIP distribution
[09:29] <iwaterball> mitrovarr: that is almost impossible, sicne you can't impement fileter math on vector graphics, maybe you can convert vector to raster and then filter, but then you lose data
[09:29] <gaurav> cge, and hplip is running
[09:30] <Vuen> hey guys, can cfdisk resize an ext2 partition without erasing the data?
[09:30] <mitrovarr> iwaterball:  They just affect everything, like a filter.  Like deformation filters can easily be applied to vectors
[09:30] <cge> gaurav: Which laserjet was it again?
[09:30] <mitrovarr> iwaterball:  maybe it's a different technical mechanism, but they're still called filters?
[09:30] <iwaterball> mitrovarr: that kind of filetr exists in inkcape afaik
[09:31] <mitrovarr> iwaterball:  I see, it's just a matter of terminology
[09:31] <seamus7> Anyone know about Panel Applet background transparency problems in Edgy?
[09:31] <cge> Vuen: no, but parted and gparted can.
[09:32] <xyzone> can gparted resize ext3?
[09:32] <gaurav> cge, HP LaserJet 3050
[09:32] <iwaterball> mitrovarr: stoff like brightness/contrast, gussian blur, edge find, etc. cannot afaik be implemented in vector graphics, this is ususally what CG artists mean when they say "filters" (the term comes from signal processing)
[09:32] <Vuen> cge: parted segfaults while trying to resize my ext2 partition.
[09:33] <cge> gaurav: You can just use the postscript driver instead.
[09:33] <gaurav> cge, it works fine with Dapper running on other boxes with separately installed PPD
[09:33] <mandelum> is there any way of controlling the fan on a loptop?
[09:33] <slothbag1> can anyone help with setterm & edgy
[09:33] <mitrovarr> iwaterball:  Oh, no, of course not.  But you can do things like color effects, deformations, geometry changes, etc.
[09:33] <gaurav> cge, yes I'm trying to use that postscript PPD with that printer
[09:33] <zoople> trying to install limewire and am getting: Extracting the installation resources from the installer archive...
[09:33] <zoople> Configuring the installer for this system's environment...
[09:33] <zoople> No Java virtual machine could be found from your PATH
[09:33] <zoople> environment variable.  You must install a VM prior to
[09:33] <zoople> running this program.
[09:33] <gaurav> cge, not hpijs PPD
[09:33] <cge> gaurav: Oh
[09:33] <zoople> i have java installed
[09:34] <cge> gaurav: And that isn't working either?
[09:34] <iwaterball> mitrovarr: I suppose Karass should teel us exactly what he is looking for
[09:34] <river> cge, I is back. any further ideas before I blow away these partitions ? ... I might just google for device mapper and mounting lvm partitions
[09:34] <mitrovarr> iwaterball:  and I've seen blur filters in vector graphics, they just make things partially transparant toward the edges.  Basically they make solid lines into lines with gradient edges.
[09:34] <cge> river: You could do that. When did you install Ubuntu on it? Do you know if it was using the device-manager?
[09:34] <cge> river: Err, mapper
[09:34] <Vuen> i'm gonna go try partition magic
[09:34] <Vuen> gah
[09:34] <gaurav> gaurav, yes that is not working, HPLIP (in Edgy) ships with that PPD
[09:34] <Jaeke555> Anyone know why I can't get to the internet? I get IP from DHCP and everything seems to work as far as to my gateway but nothing past it...
[09:34] <mitrovarr> iwaterball:  I worked as a graphics artist for a little while and I was amazed what they could do with vector filters.
[09:35] <iwaterball> mitrovarr: I see, filters without filtering...
[09:35] <cge> gaurav: So you've tried both PPDs, and neither one works, right?
[09:35] <rihui> hi
[09:35] <rihui> i have a question
[09:35] <gaurav> cge, yes
[09:35] <thyko> does ubuntu have a text only runlevel?
[09:36] <rihui> is it possible to skip filesystem checking for vfat partitions?
[09:36] <cge> gaurav: And the printer is connected directly to the other computer, not via jetdirect?
[09:36] <iwaterball> mitrovarr: no reason why such stuff shouldn't be in inscape, does it has an extension language a-la script-foo?
[09:36] <thyko> im using it on a server and dont need X mostly
[09:36] <gaurav> cge,  yes plugged into server via USB
[09:36] <rihui> i have 3 vfat partitions and the checking process during bootup takes like 1 and a half minutes
[09:36] <cge> gaurav: ok
[09:36] <mitrovarr> iwaterball:  No idea, I've never used it.  My experience is with illustrator
[09:36] <thyko> any ideas?
[09:36] <mitrovarr> iwaterball:  i'm installing it as we speak though, so hopefully I'll know in a bit
[09:37] <iwaterball> thyko: ubuntu does not assign meaning to runlevels the way redhat, etc. do; if you want text-oly, simply uninstall gdm
[09:37] <river> cge, I installed 5.10 when it came out then upg'ded to 6.06 and then the other day while upgrading to 6.10 the upgrade the machine was shutdown half way through leaving it unbootable...I do vaguely remember asking it to use LVM on the original install because I knew I had multiple drives and eventually may want to span the devices seemlessly.
[09:37] <cge> river: I think all of those used dm
[09:38] <zoople> any ideas on my problem?
[09:38] <jaaroo> hello there. I've bought a new disk and would like to know if there is any recommended method how shoud I copy root partition from one disk to another. Partition sizes are not equal (target partition is smaller)
[09:38] <smoenux> Hey everyone
[09:38] <zoople> "No Java virtual machine could be found from your PATH variable:
[09:38] <chuckyp> jaaroo, there are several ways to do it.
[09:38] <CarinArr> aw
[09:39] <smoenux> Can anyone tell me if SATA II Hard Drives give any hassles with Edgy? I remember seeing stuff on that somewhere.
[09:39] <cge> river: I'm looking at the lvm2 docs right now.
[09:39] <Vuen> argh. incredible frustration trying to partition my drive. i just want to expand an ext2 partition to use up the remaining free space on the drive. parted segfaults, and partition magic gives "Error #702", a lovely undocumented error with no explanation whatsoever.
[09:40] <chuckyp> jaaroo, check out partimage
[09:40] <cge> gaurav: You should probably take a look at the CUPS documentation
[09:40] <chuckyp> jaaroo, you should be able to image your current partition and move it.
[09:40] <gaurav> cge, looking
[09:40] <river> cge, p.s. when booting from hdd I see "vmlinus root=/dev/mapper/Ubuntu-root"
[09:40] <cge> river: Yes.
[09:40] <cge> river: So in the livecd, can you run lvdisplay?
[09:40] <gaurav> cge, Thanks and BtW, you're a good multi-tasker. Keep context-switching ;-)
[09:41] <river> .cge, standby
[09:41] <river> cge, command not found
[09:41] <chuckyp> jaaroo, http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/partimage
[09:41] <cge> river: Hmm... try apt-get installing lvm2
[09:42] <ekimus> Vuen:  i wouldn't let partition magic touch anything else than fat or ntfs if you love your data
[09:42] <river> cge, standby
[09:42] <Vuen> ekimus: i'm trying again and it seems to be working. apparently it didn't like ext2ifs.
[09:43] <river> cge, is it on the livecd ? as I don't have the wireless stuff working on the livecd yet
[09:43] <Vuen> ekimus: it's resizing my ext2 partition right now; it's checking for inodes, so it seems at least somewhat aware that data exists on the drive. we'll find out soon whether it makes any effort to keep it.
[09:44] <ekimus> Vuen:  shouldn't there be a ext[23] resize (something like that) available in ubuntu. I think its default mode is to expand the filesystem to the size of the partition (note: expand only - for shrinking there's more to be done)
[09:44] <Vuen> honestly it's just 55 gigs of pirated media. i'm in canada, so it's half legal to have, but honestly i'd deserve it if it just deleted all this data
[09:44] <iwaterball> Vuen: you might want to check your partition table with the linux fdisk, some partitioning tools tend to make a mess out of your partition table that makes other tools crush... (fdisk has a "v" command to verify)
[09:44] <SurfnKid> Vuen, what is it
[09:44] <lupine_85> !info ubuntu-standard feisty
[09:44] <ubotu> ubuntu-standard: The Ubuntu standard system. In component main, is standard. Version 1.30 (edgy), package size 15 kB, installed size 44 kB
[09:44] <Vuen> just tv shows
[09:45] <SurfnKid> whats so illegal about that
[09:45] <cge> river: Oh.
[09:45] <cge> river: I don't think it is.
[09:45] <Vuen> SurfnKid: um, well in the states, media piracy is illegal. downloading movies, tv shows, music, etc.
[09:45] <river> ok, I'll try and reconfigure the wireless to get online from that box
[09:45] <cge> river: Use a dapper livecd if you have one.
[09:45] <river> cge, sorry see above
[09:45] <lupine_85> but teh USA is teh sux0r :p
[09:45] <Vuen> uhohes, looks like partition magic crashed
[09:46] <river> cge, don't have a dapper live only alternate
[09:46] <cge> river: ah
[09:46] <SurfnKid> Vuen, very soon all 3 countries will have equal laws, i agree, delete it
[09:46] <Vuen> the hard drive's still thinking but the window froze. i'll let it do its thing. time for a snack.
[09:46] <lupine_85> resist the DMCA :D
[09:46] <SurfnKid> the North American Union is going to destroy Mexico and Canada's independence
[09:46] <cge> river: Apparently, LVM was removed from the Edgy LiveCD.
 ???
[09:46] <Vuen> SurfnKid: i highly doubt that. canada and the uk are going in the opposite direction of the united states in terms of media piracy
[09:46] <SurfnKid> mzli, its coming
[09:46] <visik7> anyone has mouse issues with vmware workstation on linux guest ?
[09:47] <livingdaylight> anyone has success installing Opera from repositories?
[09:47] <Vuen> SurfnKid: no, it's not. canada has basically legalized downloading movies and music for personal use.
[09:47] <Juhaz> there's nothing inherently illegal about the files, the act of downloading may be illegal, depending on who you ask, uploading is definitely illegal, but once you have them... it's just file
[09:47] <SurfnKid> Vuen, would really hope so
[09:47] <SurfnKid> ah
[09:47] <river> cge, I see.. trying to configure wireless
[09:47] <iwaterball> visik7: worked fine for me, then again I switched to SSH as soon as the VM could network
[09:47] <SurfnKid> well lets hope it backfires, some US laws about media just need to be left alone
[09:48] <visik7> iwaterball: I use vmware primary to test livecds but the mouse is 10 time slower on guest than host
[09:48] <chuckyp> So does the mozilla-plugin-vlc  actualy work or is it broken?
[09:48] <iwaterball> visik7: I suppose you didn't install the vmware tools, this might be a hardware thing... :P
[09:49] <iwaterball> visik7: like I said, worked fine for me
[09:49] <crimsun> chuckyp: it's broken. We know about it.
[09:49] <Vuen> well i'll be damned. it actually worked. i now have a 120 gig ext2 partition with 50 gigs of video.
[09:49] <visik7> iwaterball: I can't install vmware tool for every livecd
[09:49] <livingdaylight> is Linux kompletely broken, or just a constant work in progress?
[09:49] <Vuen> i'm a happy camper.
[09:49] <visik7> iwaterball: btw I mean on edgy on dapper no problem
[09:49] <lupine_85> constant WIP :)
[09:49] <chuckyp> crimsun, any work around or fix?
[09:49] <chuckyp> crimsun, or should I say will it be fixed.
[09:49] <lupine_85> read "the cathedral and the bazaar"
[09:49] <crimsun> chuckyp: it will be fixed.
[09:49] <iwaterball> visik7: can't help you there, I was VMwaring centos
[09:50] <Vuen> livingdaylight: um, neither? sorry to break it to you, but most of the internet runs on linux
[09:50] <crimsun> livingdaylight: yes.
[09:50] <zoople> do i dare ask about graphics drivers for linux?
[09:50] <Vuen> zoople: do ask
[09:50] <CarinArr> zoople, what card?
[09:50] <zoople> gforce go 6600
[09:50] <lupine_85> !nvidia
[09:50] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:50] <CarinArr> then, yes, you're allowed to ask;)
[09:50] <livingdaylight> Vuen, yea, Apache is a mean warrior... ^^
[09:50] <CarinArr> zoople, shouldn't be a problem
[09:50] <Vuen> zoople: that card will work great with linux.
[09:50] <zoople> cool :D
[09:50] <livingdaylight> crimsun, arrrr.....
[09:50] <Vuen> including cedega with plenty of games, like counter-strike, etc
[09:51] <Cromag> is internet = homepages for you guys ?
[09:51] <river> cge, ok have wireless going and online, apt-get install lvm2 in progress
[09:51] <zoople> lol so should find everthin in need in those pages?
[09:51] <zoople> or is there some tricks?
[09:51] <livingdaylight> Anyone here own the G2X ?
[09:51] <lupine_85> it's a 2-line job :D
[09:51] <lupine_85> really easy
[09:51] <Vuen> zoople: should all be there. nvidia drivers are pretty easy to install on linux.
[09:51] <cge> river: good
[09:51] <zoople> k thanks ill have a look
[09:51] <zoople> !nvidia
[09:51] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:52] <chuckyp> Vuen, don't need cedega for counter-strike
[09:52] <tcr> Has anyone a clue about that mandb(8), manpath(1) thingie? I suspect it's coming from debian... I want to say that ~/software/*/man is to be searched, if the respective directory exists. With the traditional approach of using environmental variables ($MANPATH), it was just so easy to make it work, sigh.
[09:52] <Vuen> chuckyp: oh? it runs natively on linux?
[09:52] <livingdaylight> anyone know whether Opera download from their homesite only available for Dapper also works in Edgy?
[09:52] <chuckyp> Vuen, no you can use wine to run it.
[09:53] <cge> livingdaylight: I'm nearly certain it does.
[09:53] <Vuen> oh. :/
[09:53] <chuckyp> Vuen, atleast thats what I use and its free.  Cedega costs money.
[09:53] <Vuen> well... cedega is supposed to cost money...
[09:53] <chuckyp> livingdaylight, it should work
[09:53] <chuckyp> Vuen, yes.
[09:53] <compudaze> isn't cedega a fork of wine?
[09:54] <livingdaylight> cge, arrrr....'guess i'll have to just try. Why Canonical repos advertise Opera but then is not available...bothers me
[09:54] <Vuen> compudaze: yep.
[09:54] <river> cge, ok install done. tried lvdisplay again and it says "lvdisplay" not found for your version of lvm
[09:54] <cge> river: try running /lib/lvm-200/lvdisplay
[09:54] <Vuen> compudaze: it's a fork of wine from when it was under the X11 license, before they switched to GPL. that's why cedega is proprietary
[09:54] <compudaze> ah i see
[09:54] <chuckyp> compudaze, yeah a pay to play fork
[09:55] <khaije1> !xen
[09:55] <ubotu> XEN is a virtual machine monitor for x86 that supports execution of multiple guest operating systems with unprecedented levels of performance and resource isolation. Information on installing it for Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenOnEdgy
[09:55] <compudaze> so they charge for it now?
[09:55] <L3oN> Hi
[09:55] <cge> Vuen: Is it actually proprietary or is it just that they charge for binaries? I seem to recall a cvs of it somewhere.
[09:55] <vegiVamp> they charge for binaries
[09:56] <compudaze> so u can compile it yourself?
[09:56] <Vuen> cge: there is a cvs, but they highly discourage people from actually using it.
[09:56] <volvoguy> hey guys, a few days ago someone told me about a command to list all the packages installed on a system and i forgot to write it down. anyone know what i'm talking about?
[09:56] <vegiVamp> you pretty much pay for the work they do on it to get it to run the latest games
[09:56] <cge> Vuen: Of course. They want you to pay them.
[09:56] <vegiVamp> and as far as I remember, only the most recent version is payware.
[09:56] <compudaze> volvoguy, try, aptitude search ~i
[09:56] <river> cge, I like progress
[09:56] <L3oN> anyone know how i can make hidden names of files stay on desktop ?
[09:57] <cge> river: That command works?
[09:57] <volvoguy> compudaze, thanks! i don't think that was it but it did the trick!
[09:57] <vegiVamp> volvoguy: you probably saw dpkg -l
[09:57] <cge> L3oN: Ctrl-H?
[09:57] <zoople> ok, it said it installed (the GeForece Go 6600 drivers)..whats a quick way to check
[09:57] <gameover> who can help me with network manger?
[09:57] <L3oN> cge: just name....
[09:57] <volvoguy> vegiVamp, yeah i think it was dpkg or apt-cache related. *shrug* i got what i needed. :)
[09:58] <river> cge, yes it listed a pagefull ofinfo
[09:58] <lupine_85> if yiou restart X you'll get a nvidia screen splash :)
[09:58] <cge> river: ah
[09:58] <Vuen> zoople: how did you end up installing it? did you just activate multiverse and apt-get install nvidia-glx?
[09:58] <gameover> i cant connect to wireless encrypted with wep
[09:58] <lupine_85> !nvidia-glx
[09:58] <tcr> The gnome terminal doesn't seem heed $HOME/.profile, is that normal?
[09:58] <ubotu> nvidia-glx: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 1.0.8776+<IP_ADDRESS>-1 (edgy), package size 3970 kB, installed size 12312 kB
[09:58] <lupine_85> why activate multiverse?
[09:58] <zoople> i didnt do apt-get...i just found it in synaptic
[09:58] <cge> river: could you pastebin it somewhere, or put it in #flood?
[09:58] <Vuen> oh
[09:58] <Vuen> i thought it was in multiverse.
[09:58] <lupine_85> nah
[09:58] <cge> tcr: yes
[09:58] <Vuen> hmph.
[09:58] <lupine_85> :p
[09:58] <tcr> cge: rationale?
[09:59] <zoople> anyhoo, so is there a quick way to test?
[09:59] <fredl> dangit that Edgy upgrade is hosed. Display driver no longer worked but that was easily fixed. Sound driver no longer works. GNOME is broken. hpoj trashed my printer config...
[09:59] <lupine_85> restart X
[09:59] <cge> tcr: It isn't a login terminal, and shells don't read .profile unless they are login shells.
[09:59] <zoople> is that what i type?
[09:59] <lupine_85> ctrl+alt+backspace
[09:59] <zoople> ok
[09:59] <cge> tcr: There is an option in the preferences to have the shells started as login shells.
[09:59] <Vuen> fredl: lots of people have had edgy upgrade problems unfortunately. my suggestion is to tar up /home and /etc, and then install from scratch.
[09:59] <compudaze> zoople, run nvidia-settings
[09:59] <compudaze> the control panel should pop up
[09:59] <cge> tcr: Or you can use .bashrc if you are running bash.
[10:00] <lupine_85> fredl: make sure ubutu-desktop is still installed
[10:00] <Jaeke555> Hey fellas, what's the command for downloading the GUI for ubuntu? ( I got this: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop but it doesn't work )
[10:00] <fredl> this bothers me. One of the major advantages over Debian was always that the hardware detection on workstations worked near flawless....
[10:00] <Vuen> Jaeke555: the GUI? what do you mean?
[10:00] <compudaze> Jaeke555, what does it say?
[10:00] <tcr> cge: Yeah, I know. Didn't think of the login shell issue. Thank you.
[10:00] <cge> fredl: It probably has more to do with the upgrade.
[10:00] <Vuen> fredl: yeah. it's probably the upgrade's fault. does the sound work from the livecd?
[10:01] <fredl> cge - true, but the same could be said about running Debian unstable... upgrading Ubuntu for both Edgy and Dapper has been like Debian unstable in the years before.
[10:01] <volvoguy> i can never get nvidia-settings to "stick".
[10:01] <Jaeke555> Vuen: Graphical User Interface, like X Window system or something :D ( I'm so much a linux newbie )
[10:01] <cge> fredl: Yes, it is rather unfortunate.
[10:01] <Vuen> fredl: if you have a few hours to reconfigure things, you're probably best off reinstalling. if you have /home on a separate partition, you can keep all your settings, otherwise you can just tar up /home and restore it when you get it working again.
[10:01] <fredl> Vuen - didn't try the livecd, trying to recover some stuff here but it's taking me a lot of extra time.
[10:01] <cbx33> hmm - why when I try to remove nvidia-glx does it try to remove ubuntu-desktop and the entire xorg set of packages
[10:01] <cbx33> it never used to do that
[10:01] <Jaeke555> compudaze: it says E: Couldn't find package ubuntu-desktop
[10:02] <cge> Jaeke555: That is *bad*.
[10:02] <fredl> hang on, brb
[10:02] <Jaeke555> cge: How come? :)
[10:02] <Vuen> Jaeke555: did you install ubuntu from the alternate cd? it should come up with GNOME (a gui) automatically...
[10:02] <cge> Jaeke555: How did you install?
[10:02] <compudaze> Jaeke555, quick question... are you running Ubuntu?
[10:02] <Vuen> lawl
[10:02] <Jaeke555> vuen: I have the server version of ubuntu, thats why I don't have the GUI
[10:02] <Vuen> ah.
[10:02] <Jaeke555> compudaze: yeah, I am :)
[10:02] <compudaze> u can still install ubuntu-desktop from the server version
[10:03] <zoople> ok so i restart my system..how do i check the nvida drivers now
[10:03] <Vuen> Jaeke555: type: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:03] <Vuen> and tell us what the uncommented lines say
[10:03] <river> cge, http://pastebin.ca/241541
[10:04] <Jaeke555> Vuen: umm, quick one, how do I stop the text flow? :D
[10:04] <Vuen> zoople: what do you mean by "check the drivers"? did you get an nvidia splash screen right before you logged in?
[10:04] <fredl> this is fubar, I just removed all of .gconf* and .gnome* and rebooted. When I log in using an existing login without those dirs, I end up with a completely white screen. When I log in with a newly created user ID, it all works.
[10:04] <zoople> nope
[10:04] <Vuen> Jaeke555: type this instead: less /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:04] <Vuen> that way you can pageup/pagedown to scroll and press q to exit
[10:04] <Vuen> for a default install you should have only four uncommented lines
[10:05] <zoople> so..no splash screen = no install?
[10:05] <Vuen> zoople: hmm, i'm not sure :(
[10:05] <Vuen> i don't know a whole lot about nvidia drivers, sorry
[10:05] <zoople> thats ok..does anyone?
[10:05] <fredl> I don't get it, how do I make gnome think it's completely, entirely fresh in a user's homedir?
[10:06] <Jaeke555> Vuen:  erse multiverse, universe multiverse
[10:06] <fredl> is there more than ~/.gconf* and ~/.gnome* ??
[10:06] <iwaterball> zoople: pretty much, though you can disable the spalsh screen in xorg.conf, I think it on by default
[10:06] <Vuen> Jaeke555: hold on, let me pastebin my sources.list for you
[10:06] <Jaeke555> Vuen: and then there are some lines saying: deb http://blaablaablaa dapper-updates main restrictled
[10:06] <compudaze> zoople, do you have nvidia instead of nv in your xorg.conf?
[10:06] <zoople> not sure
[10:07] <Vuen> Jaeke555: yeah, that's exactly what that should look like
[10:07] <iwaterball> zoople: you can try running the "glxinfo" command and see who is the GLX provider
[10:07] <compudaze> did you install the package nvidia-glx?
[10:07] <Vuen> Jaeke555: okay, start by typing sudo apt-get update
[10:07] <zoople> tup instlalled nvidia-glx
[10:07] <river> cge, does it look like non compat version of lvm too ?
[10:07] <compudaze> after that, did you run, nvidia-glx-config enable?
[10:07] <Jaeke555> Vuen: I don't want to update my ubuntu version, I just need the GUI :D
[10:07] <zoople>  extension "GLX" missing on display
[10:08] <zoople> ummmm: compudaze..i get: Error: unable to load nvidia kernel driver! Be sure to have installed
[10:08] <zoople> the nvidia driver for your running kernel.
[10:08] <chuckyp> compudaze, I believe it runs by default when you install nvidia-glx
[10:08] <Vuen> Jaeke555: the update command doesn't update ubuntu, it just downloads the new package lists. the upgrade command updates your ubuntu, and the dist-upgrade command upgrades it. it's a bit counterintuitive, i know.
[10:08] <zoople> lol..maybe something went wrong
[10:08] <Vuen> blame debian for making apt confusing :)
[10:08] <Jaeke555> Vuen: okays, let me try that :D
[10:08] <compudaze> apt!=confusing =)
[10:08] <Jaeke555> vuen: it started doe
[10:09] <Vuen> yep. don't worry, apt-get update won't change or upgrade anything. it will just update the package lists.
[10:09] <Jaeke555> vuen: it started downloading some items and is done already
[10:09] <Vuen> that's good
[10:09] <Vuen> now sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[10:09] <cge> river: Sorry, was talking to someone in #ubuntu-bugs
[10:09] <Jaeke555> I did it, it gave me sh*tloads of packages, total of 1561MB of stuff :D
[10:09] <cge> river: Ah. It appears that the new root is /dev/Ubuntu/root. Does that exist?
[10:10] <Jaeke555> Vuen: Do I want to continue? :D I guess so
[10:10] <Vuen> Jaeke555: holy cow. what version of ubuntu did you install?
[10:10] <Jaeke555> Vuen: 6.06
[10:10] <Rothbuntu> O_o
[10:10] <what_if> is tunneling support broken in edgy ? I keep getting errors of "no such device" for devices that are listed in ifconfig
[10:10] <Jaeke555> Vuen: Don't shoot the messenger, I'm not gonna use it, I'm just the guy who's installing it
[10:10] <Vuen> Jaeke555: ah. heh. that's why it's sometimes better to install the desktop version of ubuntu, even if you intend it for a server. they don't really expect for you to need x on it, so it's pretty much stripped down to the bones :)
[10:11] <river> cge, sorry, how do I check
[10:11] <Vuen> Jaeke555: once it's done that, you should definitely do apt-get upgrade.
[10:11] <cge> river: Does that file actually exist?
[10:11] <BHSPitLappy> what_if, how are you referencing said devices
[10:11] <blinky> can someone tell me the url for ubuntu pastebin thing?
[10:11] <Vuen> this will download all the security patches and bug fixes for the system
[10:11] <Vuen> do that BEFORE rebooting, so that ubuntu-desktop doesn't screw anything up.
[10:11] <what_if> it is named '0000' referencing as '0000'
[10:12] <Vuen> don't worry, it won't upgrade you to ubuntu 6.10; it will just apply bug fixes and security updates