[00:16] <Tonisius> How do I get framebuffer support for ubuntu-server
[00:17] <Tonisius> just noticed I installed ubuntu but I don't need gnome or other services, or should I use the desktop version, but disable gnome?
[00:17] <Tonisius> how do I go about this, I want framebuffer support, and a resolution of about 800x600 properly
[00:18] <sommer> Tonisius: add vga=791 (for 1024x768) to the kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.1st
[00:18] <sommer> not sure which number is 800x600 :)
[00:19] <Tonisius> hmm, well that's a start
[00:20] <sommer> Tonisius: are you wanting to install a gui?
[00:20] <Tonisius> not really
[00:20] <Tonisius> I just want more lines to fit on my vmware screen than the standard
[00:20] <Tonisius> and I don't want to have the gui, I don't really need it
[00:20] <Tonisius> I just need to administrate some server stuff for my windows system to test LAMP stuff
[00:20] <sommer> ah, yep the vga parameter will give you that
[00:21] <Tonisius> awesome
[00:21] <Tonisius> just not sure where in the config I should put the vga param
[00:22] <sommer> if you edit /boot/grub/menu.1st you should see a line that starts with kernel... just add vga=791 to the end
[00:22] <sommer> there's a kernel line for each one installed... so there's at least 2 one normal and one recovery
[00:23] <Tonisius> ok, cool
[00:23] <Tonisius> now I just noticed I didn't download the ubuntu-server, damn... and it's a 500mb download
[00:23] <Tonisius> *sigh* thank you for your help, I'll do that once I get ubuntu-server downloaded
[00:23] <sommer> Tonisius: you're welcome
[00:24] <Tonisius> hmm, any ideas on how to switch back to the GUI on the ubuntu 7.10 when CTRL+ALT is used to go back to the main OS?
[00:24] <Tonisius> I tried CTRL+ALT+F7 and it didn'[t get me back in
[00:25] <sommer> not sure, but I think if you click on the icon in the top left of the title bar it will give you the option
[01:08] <marcreichelt> hi there
[01:08] <marcreichelt> I have a question: I installed Ubuntu 7.10 in an emulator (VirtualBox), installed all updates, rebooted, installed Apache2 and then tried to access Apache2 via IPv6
[01:09] <marcreichelt> but it doesn't work - Apache2 does not listen on tcp6
[01:09] <marcreichelt> oh: I installed Ubuntu 7.10 Desktop, not Server (but that should be the same here, or?)
[01:11] <marcreichelt> this problem is reproducible for my productional desktop system
[01:15] <marcreichelt> does anybody have a clue what is wrong here?
[01:30] <marcreichelt> I'm downloading 8.04 Desktop right now and will test it there, too - and will create a new bug report if the bug is there, too
[01:30] <marcreichelt> good night
[02:42] <nxvl> is alternate CD in expert mode spected to be so slow?
[02:42] <nxvl> the instalation is taken an hour, and i'm configuring languages
[05:24] <lqs> owh: hi
[05:39] <owh> lqs: Hi, sorry, got called to the phone. I'm on hold at the moment, so I may get called away/
[05:47] <ScottK> FYI backport of the clamav just in Hardy is in ubuntu-clamav PPA for all other releases.
[06:14] <Tuv0k> http://www.iaps.com/2008-server-reliability-survey.html
[06:24] <owh> Tuv0k: Yeah, it was sent to the U-S list.
[06:30] <Tuv0k> the ubuntu stat makes me mad
[06:32] <owh> Tuv0k: There is no need to get mad.
[06:32] <Tuv0k> I was a lil over the top :)
[06:36] <owh> Tuv0k: I'll say :)
[06:56] <_ruben> hmm .. nasty .. irssi clears your scroll back on server dis/reconnect :-/
[08:12] <KenSentMe> Is there any tool on Ubuntu that can connect to a MS SQL and read out the SQL?
[08:14] <_ruben> KenSentMe: freetds
[08:14] <_ruben> for example: tdsodbc, which is in main
[08:15] <KenSentMe> _ruben, let me tell what i want. I got a MS SQL database on my host and i need to have a ascii sql database dump. Is that possible with any tool in the repos and without programming?
[08:17] <henkjan> KenSentMe: Aquadatastudio is a nice GUI for databasemanagement
[08:17] <henkjan> KenSentMe: last time i used it it was free for personal use
[08:17] <_ruben> sqsh - commandline SQL client for MS SQL and Sybase servers
[08:17] <\sh> KenSentMe, actually it's even difficult to get an ascii sql dump from mssql via their tool already
[08:18] <KenSentMe> We are going to let a new website built and the new builder wants some insight in the current (ms sql) database
[08:19] <_ruben> henkjan: do you see any (stalled) connections from my ip (<IP_ADDRESS>) on the nl.archive rsync daemon?
[08:19] <_ruben> henkjan: its giving me max connections reached
[08:21] <henkjan> _ruben: ask Jeeves_. As of 1 april i've a new job, and so no longer root access on nl.archive
[08:22] <_ruben> henkjan: ah, didnt know that .. still at bit or smth completely diff ?
[08:23] <KenSentMe> henkjan, going to try aquadatastudio
[08:28] <henkjan> _ruben: something complete different. Closer to my house
[08:28] <henkjan> no more trafficjams :)
[08:29] <henkjan> 10 minutes cycling instead of 1+ hour by car
[08:29] <_ruben> henkjan: hehe, nice
[08:29] <henkjan> more time for the kids :)
[08:29] <_ruben> henkjan: also quite important, when you have 'em that is ;-)
[08:31] <KenSentMe> henkjan, could you help me out a bit with aquadatastudion?
[08:32] <Jeeves_> _ruben: just a sec
[08:33] <Jeeves_> _ruben: No connections on the rsync-daemon
[08:34] <_ruben> Jeeves_: debmirror crapped out for some reason, wanted to resume this morning, gave me those errors
[08:34] <_ruben> Jeeves_: hmm, let me try again
[08:34] <_ruben> @ERROR: max connections (4) reached -- try again later
[08:34] <_ruben> rsync error: error starting client-server protocol (code 5) at main.c(1383) [receiver=2.6.9]
[08:35] <_ruben> hmm .. perhaps its debmirror trying to connect more than 4 time simultaneously
[08:35] <henkjan> KenSentMe: long time ago i used it. but feel free to ask
[08:36] <Jeeves_> _ruben: That would be useless
[08:37] <_ruben> Jeeves_: the odd thing is, it does seem to download *something*
[08:38] <KenSentMe> henkjan, i entered my database user, pass,  host and db name at startup and now im in some tree view. I got 3 branches: databases, management and security, when i open databases i then see the name of the db i entered. So everything seems to be working correctly. Do you know if it's possible to export the contents of the database to ascii sql?
[08:42] <_ruben> Jeeves_: it seems it does download the various 'Release' files, but fails on downloading the 'Release.gpg' files .. with http it works just fine though
[08:46] <henkjan> KenSentMe: select your database. right mouse click -> tools -> export data
[08:54] <KenSentMe> henkjan, ok, i didnt see that option earlier. It gives the option to export 1 table or 'Export from SELECT'. Is there a SELECT query to enter so i get all tables at once?
[08:58] <henkjan> KenSentMe: dbatools - storagamanager has backup functionality
[09:00] <KenSentMe> Ok, let me check that, thanks
[09:02] <kraut> moin
[09:21] <_ruben> hmm .. kinda surprised that postfix/dovecot/procmail default installation (tasksel) uses mbox files for storage and not maildirs or anything
[09:26] <henkjan> hmm, openpanel looks like a good replacement for webmin
[09:38] <_ruben> henkjan: a beta release after ~2 years .. speedy development :p
[09:42] <henkjan> read the blog, that states something about the 'release early' mantra
[09:43] <_ruben> expected a philosophy (htf is that spelled?!) like that :-)
[09:43] <hubuntu> Guys, what is the easiest way to build a Local Installation server for an Installfest
[09:43] <hubuntu> either using PXE or any other boot method or as an internal mirror
[09:44] <_ruben> hubuntu: im currently using debmirror to create me a local mirror .. i dont care for pxe or anything (yet)
[09:45] <_ruben> am gonna look into creating a preseeded usb stick tho
[09:46] <hubuntu> _ruben, what is really the advantage of a mirror over PXE?
[09:46] <hubuntu> I mean using PXE as boot (with the CD for instance)
[09:46] <hubuntu> COuld not it be possible to have both?
[09:47] <juliux> to install a huge number of pcs booting over pxe and getting the installer via the network is a good system
[09:47] <juliux> but you don' t need a local mirror
[09:47] <hubuntu> We are having a continetal wide Install Fest in LatinAmerica and I'm going to make a how-to on making this server and put it in their wiki so everyone cabn implement it in their local event
[09:47] <_ruben> hubuntu: they're 2 different things really: PXE is way of initiating an install, local mirror is to save on bandwidth and increased speed
[09:47] <juliux> if the server is connected to the internet apt-proxy is enough
[09:47] <hubuntu> that is if you have goods bandwidth
[09:48] <juliux> if you use apt-proxy the first download is slow the second comes from the cache;)
[09:48] <juliux> the advantage is that you don' t need 60gb harddiskspace
[09:48] <hubuntu> In Ecuador the problem is that people do not have access to good bandwidth and I doubt that anyone (besides the ISPs) have good speed between the 24th and the 26th enough to donwload the 40GB mirror for Ubuntu
[09:49] <hubuntu> I have used apt-proxy or apt-cache I think
[09:49] <hubuntu> but can PXE installation and local mirro installation be an option given from the same server?
[09:51] <_ruben> pxe can use any mirror (public or local), and the use of a local mirror instead of public doesnt require pxe, like i said: two different things
[09:55] <hubuntu> Ok. But given that the resources are very limitated is it an idea to have, say an apt-proxy mirror AND a PXE server using the CD (inserted in the server) as an installation option? Is that at all possible?
[09:58] <hubuntu> _ruben? juliux?
[10:05] <hubuntu> now in another  note... Anyone know where to find an updated list of mirrors? The RC release notes need to be done
[10:07] <juliux> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[10:07] <hubuntu> thanx
[10:09] <hubuntu> is that updated on real time? Like the ones that seems to be up to date is actually up to date (thinking of the RC coming today...)
[10:10] <juliux> i have no idea if it is realtime
[10:13] <_ruben> hubuntu: why bother with pxe if you'll be putting in an cd anyways ?
[10:16] <hubuntu> some machines do not have a working CD drive, then we can use a PXE install server and boot those machines from PXE
[10:17] <hubuntu> or use a floppy.. you never know what you will find...
[10:18] <hubuntu> in poor countries the type of resources and hardware can be outdated and partially working
[10:18] <hubuntu> we have to take this into consideration when making the server
[10:18] <hubuntu> And of course I will use Ubuntu server ;)
[10:19] <_ruben> be sure to have plenty of netboot floppy disks .. since booting from pxe isnt available on all hardware
[10:19] <hubuntu> and now that I think about it anyone here speaking Spanish? I made a presentation on "Ubuntu for (servers and) human beings" looking at the server capabilities that 8.04 gives
[10:20] <hubuntu> thanks _ruben for the tips and suggestions. I will definitely come around later this weekend for some advice
[10:20] <_ruben> dos cervesa is as far as my spanish skills go
[10:21] <\sh> guys, what about nic bonding for hardy, actually is it changed from /etc/network/interfaces with ifenslave , or are there now any magic udev rules to setup bonding
[10:22] <hubuntu> dos cervezas ;)
[10:24] <_ruben> hubuntu: i know how to say it, not spell it :p
[10:28] <hubuntu> if we just think about the highlights is there anything I'm forgeting If I take in account: Debian roots, 7 automated install profiles, Likewise giving us kerberized AD, Ebox giving us control ;) , iSCSI, ufw, virtualization stuff (kvm, vmware, jeos), AppArmor & SELinux, no GUI recommendations, explanations of the LTS cycles and related stuff and (update, install, support). Is there anything I'm forgetting here?
[10:29] <hubuntu> forgot to mention xen, vzopen, vbox, qemu, paralells but they are in the presentation
[10:32] <hubuntu> Anyone ideas on anything else I can add, mention?
[10:33] <_ruben> i guess you got most bases covered with that list, then again, im just an ordinary (and rather fresh, in ubuntu terms) user
[10:38] <Kamilion> Howdy, I just finished building a new system to be used as a server on a AMD 780G board, with 2 SATA drives. Looking through the motherboard manual, it says it supports RAID, but after doing some reading of google results, it's "fakeraid" and various sites say I shouldn't bother with it and instead recommend something called "md0". Does anybody have a couple minutes to spare to bring me up...
[10:38] <Kamilion> ...to speed on how I should set the partitions up?
[10:40] <Deeps_> Kamilion: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=408461
[10:41] <hubuntu> well.. although I have used the server edition since 6.06 I am rather new and have very basic experience myself in terms of use and configurations. Isn't that the idea of Ubuntu Server: Give you the oportunity to just get the job donbe easily, but also the flexibility if you REALLY want or need some advanced features?
[10:41] <Deeps> the keywords you're needing if searching is "mdadm" (thats the tool you use to create and configure md devices)
[10:42] <Kamilion> Okay, and there was also another option for "LVM" -- what's that and why should I / shouldn't I use that?
[10:42] <Deeps> LVM allows you to create easily resizable partitions
[10:43] <Deeps> or rather, easily resizable volumes
[10:43] <Deeps> that can span multiple partitions
[10:43] <Deeps> so if you're doing RAID0 on 2 disks, and think you might add 2 more disks later, you can LVM initially, and then when you get your 2 new disks, you can expand the volume to encompass the 2 new disks
[10:43] <Kamilion> Ahh, so it's like windows's dynamic volumes?
[10:44] <Deeps> i have no idea what windows dynamic volumes do, heh.
[10:44] <Kamilion> So in that case, I set up LVM at the bottom layer and mdadm over that?
[10:44] <Deeps> last i saw, you had to make a volume dynamic to put it in a windows raid array
[10:44] <Deeps> no, other way around
[10:44] <Kamilion> or is there an easier way to do mirroring?
[10:44] <Deeps> if you're wanting to do raid1, i'd avoid lvm entirely
[10:44] <Kamilion> And set up another array later if more drives are added?
[10:45] <Deeps> yep
[10:45] <Kamilion> Cool, sounds good. That's just the information I was looking for. Thank you very much, Deeps.
[10:45] <Deeps> happy to help :)
[10:46] <Kamilion> Can the ubuntu-server disc set up the md stuff for me? I messed around with the LVM stuff a bit but I didn't quite understand it.
[10:47] <Kamilion> (I'm using the april 14th daily 64bit ubuntu-server disc, by the way.)
[10:48] <Deeps> if you've installed your system already without mdadm, you can do it on the installed system
[10:49] <Deeps> without any need to reinstall
[10:50] <Kamilion> I've just been reinstalling over and over, trying to figure it out on my own, actually.
[10:51] <Kamilion> ended up with a 12GB system partition without all the goodies so far, with nothing but openssh-server installed
[10:51] <Deeps> if you're happy to reinstall, it should give you an option to build with software raid
[10:52] <Kamilion> yeah, I remember that option being there, I'm firing up the installer now.
[10:52] <Deeps> if not, you need to make multiple md device, as i believe it mirrors partitions, rather than entire disks
[10:52] <Deeps> peronally, i'd recommend shelling out for a more expensive "enterprise grade" hardware raid card if your data's important
[10:53] <Deeps> or more accurately, dont treat raid as a backup solution
[10:53] <_ruben> thats where raid+lvm comes into play .. make 2 md's .. one small one for /boot .. and one big one (the rest) which will be used for lvm and put all your actual data on lv's in the lvm
[10:53] <Kamilion> "Physical volume for RAID" is what I'm wanting, correct?
[10:53] <_ruben> yes
[10:53] <Deeps> _ruben: surely that then defeats the point of separate partitions for separate mountpoints?
[10:53] <_ruben> after that you'll have an extra option to configure your raid
[10:54] <_ruben> Deeps: why?
[10:54] <Kamilion> Yeah, that's what I was missing, _ruben. Thanks.
[10:54] <Deeps> if you have 1 big lvm spanning your 5 partitions, you're mounting that one big lvm as /
[10:54] <_ruben> Deeps: different partitions versus different logical volumes .. dont see that much of a difference
[10:55] <Deeps> oh, i misread what you said
[10:55] <_ruben> Deeps: i didnt say one big lv, but one big vg (tho i didnt mention vg explicitly i admit)
[10:55] <Deeps> "put all your actual data on lv's in the lvm" i see :)
[10:55] <_ruben> (vg = volume group = windows' dynamic disk, lv = logical volume = volume within a windows dynamic disk)
[10:55] <Kamilion> Okay, so I want a seperate boot and swap, a small root / and then the rest of the drives partitioned out for software RAID, is what I'm thinking.
[10:56] <Kamilion> Backup's not going to be a problem, we've got a bluray burner on order.
[10:56] <_ruben> Kamilion: when bothering with software raid, i'd put everything on software raid, not just parts
[10:56] <Kamilion> so just set a single partition on both drives, full 250GB and everything should 'just work' ?
[10:57] <_ruben> no, 2 partitions per drive .. one for each raid mirror (one for /boot and one for the lvm vg)
[10:57] <_ruben> you cant boot from lvm on swraid directly
[10:58] <_ruben> you need /boot to be on non-lvm in that case
[10:58] <Deeps> I'm in agreement with ruben, and apologies for any earlier confusion, I'm not a big fan of using mdadm, and haven't touched it much for a few years now.
[10:58] <Kamilion> don't think I'm going to be using LVM since all it appears to do for me is allows me to resize the volume pool, and I'm pretty sure that's not going to be nessicary
[10:59] <Kamilion> yeah, okay, now I'm getting all confused... *laughs*
[10:59] <Kamilion> Let me start over.
[10:59] <Deeps> If you use LVM, it saves you the hassle of haivng to make multiple md raid devices
[11:00] <Kamilion> I've got a brand new 780G system with a Be-2400 and 8GB of ram, with two maxtor 250GB harddrives that I'd like to enable mirroring on in case one of the drives dies. What's the current best course for doing so?
[11:00] <Deeps> on a 250gb disk, put 500mb aside for /boot, and then make a big partition, raid1'd
[11:00] <Kamilion> Swapfile, swap partition, swap on raid, swap not on raid?
[11:01] <Deeps> then within that big partition, make it LVM, and make multiple volumes within that lvm to act as your different partitions
[11:01] <_ruben> raid+lvm is a *big* improvement over raid when it comes to setting it up
[11:01] <_ruben> *especially* when using more than 2-3 partitions
[11:01] <Deeps> I'm converted, in the case of linux software raid at least, anyway.
[11:01] <Kamilion> well, this is literally a $350 system
[11:02] <Kamilion> it's probably going to be running samba, asterisk, and maybe doing some network routing.
[11:02] <Deeps> thats an impressive setup for $350
[11:02]  * Deeps rubs hands with glee at the prospect of being stateside in august
[11:02] <Kamilion> I already had the two maxtor 250GBs
[11:02] <Deeps> hope the euro carries on getting stronger
[11:03] <Kamilion> the motherboard was $89, the be-2400 was $108, and the ram was $79 each for two 2x2GB muskin kits.
[11:03] <Kamilion> *mushkin
[11:04] <Kamilion> plus some cheap generic microatx case.
[11:04] <_ruben> why 8G of ram btw? .. sure, ram is dirt cheap, but still ;)
[11:04] <Kamilion> I was hoping on using a ramdisk for some stuff.
[11:04] <Deeps> cunning
[11:05] <_ruben> ah
[11:05] <_ruben> fair enough then :)
[11:05] <Kamilion> And as you said, it was cheap and it maxed out the board.
[11:05] <Kamilion> plus the BE-2400's the 45 watt model... The whole thing is freaking *silent*.
[11:06] <Deeps> niice.
[11:06] <Kamilion> couldn't belive how quiet the maxtor 250GBs ended up to be.
[11:06] <Deeps> I need to build me something small silent and cheap to replace my current tv laptop
[11:06] <Kamilion> it's literally quieter than my Flash-only terminal client
[11:06] <_ruben> lunchtime .. bbiab
[11:06] <Deeps> nice
[11:06] <Kamilion> (for some reason, the flash chip makes little noises when it's accessed, heh)
[11:07] <Kamilion> Plus it's got the radeon 3200HD IGP (based on the 2400HD)
[11:08] <Kamilion> with HDMI out, which is nice, but it's DVI or HDMI, not both, sadly.
[11:08] <Deeps> mm
[11:09] <Kamilion> Anyway, back to the disk setup...
[11:09] <Kamilion> I'm still a bit confused on what I should do for an 'optimum' setup... I read a bunch of howtos and stuff already, but most of them were years old for ubuntu 5 and 6
[11:10] <hubuntu> for creating a local mirror would you recommend apt-mirror or apt-proxy? Thinks that we are going to use both Gutsy AND Hardy.. what uis the best option?
[11:11] <Kamilion> so far, the forum link you gave me earlier is the newest I've run across from april 07, and I figure not much has changed between gutsy and hardy
[11:11] <Deeps> Kamilion: for an optimum setup, buy a proper hardware raid card :p
[11:11] <Deeps> alternatively, what ruben described
[11:12] <Kamilion> Uhh, considering a hardware raid card would be more expensive than the computer itself, I don't think I wanna go that route. The data's not terribly important, but it's best if it doesn't just go kaput when the drive eventually fails in the office it ends up in
[11:13] <Kamilion> It will have regular backups to an external bluray burner as well, but as far as I know the drive's on backorder
[11:14] <Kamilion> Okay, so lemme get this straight then.... Leave some room for /boot (one drive or both?), set up the rest as a raid1, and then run LVM over that?
[11:15] <Kamilion> With a setup like that, what do I do about swap?
[11:15] <Deeps> /boot on both drives in a raid mirror
[11:16] <Deeps> lvm on both drives in a raid mirror
[11:16] <hubuntu> an apt-mirror and apt-proxy server: what is the difference really? What do the one do that the other doesn't?
[11:16] <hubuntu> or do they give apt in different ways?
[11:16] <Deeps> swap... dunno, could have 2 swaps outside of your lvm/raid groups
[11:16] <Kamilion> so swap should be outside of the raid in a seperate partition?
[11:16] <Deeps> yeah i guess
[11:17]  * Kamilion grins
[11:17] <Kamilion> Good enough for me.
[11:17] <Kamilion> so grub will be able to find /boot within the raid, but not the LVM, correct?
[11:19] <Kamilion> so I end up with RAID( [/boot], [ lvm( [ext3] ) ]), swap?
[11:20] <Deeps> lvm( [ext3 /home], [ext3 /var], etc.)
[11:20] <Kamilion> Allrighty, I think I got it now. Thanks.
[11:20] <Deeps> infact no, heh
[11:20] <Deeps> you'll end up with
[11:21] <Deeps> RAID(boot), RAID(LVM([ext3 /home], [ext3 /var], etc.)), swap
[11:21] <Kamilion> Ahhhh, okay.
[11:21] <Kamilion> That really makes it crystal clear to me now. :D
[11:22] <Deeps> theoretically, RAID(boot) will be md0 containing hda1 and hdb1, RAID(LVM) will be md1 containing hda2 and hdb2
[11:22] <Deeps> swap you can make 2 i guess, one on each disk
[11:23] <Kamilion> Makes sense.
[11:23] <Kamilion> in that case I should be able to get away with 2 6GB swap partitions
[11:23] <Kamilion> (and yeah, I know, if one of the drives fails and I have pages on swap the whole system will die horribly)
[11:25] <Kamilion> .... Actually, screw it. The system's got so much ram that swap is unlikely to be used, so i'll just set up a 12GB /swapfile
[11:26] <Kamilion> the performance difference between a swapfile and a swap partition shouldn't make much of a difference for a light duty server like this.
[11:26] <Kamilion> Deeps, Thanks so much for your help in getting me up to speed on this in less than an hour.
[11:26] <Kamilion> _ruben, Thanks to you as well for your valuable input.
[11:26] <Kamilion> AFK while I bang on the server to go set that up.
[11:29] <n6rej> how do I tell swat or samba who the admin user is?
[11:32] <n6rej> nm figured it out
[11:49] <_ruben> Kamilion: i wouldnt put seperate swap partitions on each drive, i'd put em either within the lvm or on a raid1 .. when one drive fails and you have stuff swapped out, you dont want to lose ur swapped memory
[11:49] <_ruben> i usually put within the lvm, for the sake of easyness, speed isnt too much of an issue, since my boxes hardly ever touch the swap
[11:49] <Kamilion> yeah, I'm gonna set up a swapfile on the LVM for /xen
[11:49] <_ruben> i'd go for swap partition, not file
[11:50] <Kamilion> is it really going to make a difference?
[11:50] <Kamilion> I seriously doubt it's even going to be hitting swap on dom0
[11:52] <_ruben> probably not, i just prefer having my swap in a partition over having a file for it somewhere
[11:53] <Kamilion> I've been running linux since slack 1.5 back in '95, progressed through debian -> LFS -> Gentoo -> ubuntu, and I've honestly not noticed a difference between a swapfile and swap partitions as long as the swapfile is created right after mkfs.
[11:54] <_ruben> could very well be
[11:55] <_ruben> for me its slack4 / debian woody with short side step to gentoo / suse / ubuntu
[11:55] <Kamilion> So far, ubuntu's been the easiest box I've had the pleasure of using.
[11:57] <Kamilion> Got sick of manual compiling with LFS after the learning experiance of how everything worked, so I switched to gentoo between 2004-late 2007 when all the project BS started and the ebuilds slowed to a trickle, so I grabbed 7.10 just before 8.04 was started, and I've been on hardy ever since.
[11:57] <_ruben> the one thing i liked about suse is YaST, but thats about it ;-)
[11:58] <Kamilion> And I wasn't a ricer with gentoo, I just used CFLAGS = -Os -pipe. I just enjoyed the useflags.
[11:58] <Kamilion> not everything needs to be compiled with mysql support XD
[12:00] <Kamilion> but I eventually got sick of messing around with all that, and just switched to ubuntu because it really does 'just work'.
[12:00] <Kamilion> I havn't had to delve into any config files other than a simple xorg problem on my old laptop getting stuck at 800x600 but that was as easy as a fbset -x and copying the output into the monitor section of xorg.conf.
[12:01] <Shrugz> anyone know of a good flash editor? for debian?
[12:01] <Kamilion> That's pretty impressive for an old keyboard cowboy.
[12:01] <Shrugz>   /ubuntu
[12:01] <Kamilion> Shrugz: Compiling flash into SWF, or an actual visual editor?
[12:02] <Kamilion> I don't know about a GUI editor myself, but I know there's a bunch of commandline tools to build SWF files.
[12:04] <Kamilion> Actually, now that I think about it, doesn't blender have flash support now?
[12:04] <Shrugz> Kamilion a actual visual editor. i found a kde one but it was only the source not a .deb file
[12:04] <Kamilion> give synfig a shot then
[12:04] <Kamilion> should be in universe.
[12:05] <Kamilion> and avidemux does well for authoring FLVs
[12:05] <Shrugz> synfig
[12:05] <Shrugz> ok
[12:05] <Shrugz> is it in the sudo apt-get
[12:05] <Shrugz> ?
[12:05] <Kamilion> yeah
[12:06] <Kamilion> keep in mind that macromedia flash works pretty well in wine as well, if all else fails.
[12:06] <Shrugz> my windows emulators are pissing me off
[12:06] <Shrugz> wine and crossover
[12:06] <Kamilion> I said pretty well.... not perfect... ;)
[12:07] <Kamilion> Ktoon might work as well.
[12:07] <Kamilion> f4l's another option
[12:08] <Kamilion> I think they have a GUI now
[12:08] <Shrugz> why does synfig
[12:08] <Shrugz> sound like a dosser
[12:08] <Shrugz> LoL
[12:08] <Shrugz> The following extra packages will be installed:
[12:08] <Shrugz>    ffmpeg (0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4)
[12:08] <Shrugz>    imagemagick (<IP_ADDRESS>.dfsg1-2ubuntu1)
[12:08] <Shrugz>    libdv-bin (1.0.0-1ubuntu1)
[12:08] <Shrugz>    libgtk1.2 (1.2.10-18)
[12:08] <Shrugz>    libgtk1.2-common (1.2.10-18)
[12:08] <Shrugz>    libimlib2 (<IP_ADDRESS>debian1-4build1)
[12:09] <Shrugz>    libswscale1d (0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4)
[12:09] <Shrugz>    libsynfig0 (0.61.06-2)
[12:09] <Shrugz>    libxml++2.6c2a (2.20.0-0ubuntu1)
[12:09] <Shrugz> damn
[12:09] <Shrugz> sorry for the flood
[12:09] <Shrugz> but damn
[12:09] <Shrugz> thats not all really needed is it
[12:09] <Kamilion> GTK's the gui toolkit, imagemagick converts between various graphic formats, ffmpeg creates flv
[12:10] <Shrugz> i do all that stuff on vistachitty
[12:11] <Kamilion> Dunno much about it myself, I just googled for it and got back http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=435080
[12:13] <Kamilion> Well, the server just came up with RAID+LVM.
[12:14] <Kamilion> Thanks Deeps and _ruben. I'll dig further into mdadm and lvm myself now that I've got it basically working.
[12:14] <Shrugz> you know ZeroDay Kamilion?
[12:14] <Shrugz> i dunno if he runs that on the ubuntu server
[12:14] <Kamilion> Person/place/thing?
[12:14] <Shrugz> aka chris randolph
[12:14] <Kamilion> Nope
[12:14] <Shrugz> he helped with implimenting the java platforms
[12:14] <Shrugz> into ubuntu
[12:14] <Kamilion> I don't hang around IRC much anymore... 15 years of it has burnt me out.
[12:14] <Shrugz> me too
[12:14] <Shrugz> lol
[12:15] <Shrugz> i used to run on here under many names u might remember
[12:15] <Shrugz> have u always ran the same nick man?
[12:15] <Kamilion> yep.
[12:15] <Shrugz> i thought that was u
[12:15] <Shrugz> lol
[12:15] <Shrugz> <Mad
[12:15] <Shrugz> the one and only
[12:15] <Kamilion> Freenode, EFnet, Oper on Axenet, previous oper on nintendorks
[12:15] <Shrugz> my first nick bro
[12:16] <Shrugz> i am the 1 of the original mad's
[12:16] <Kamilion> Ah, right on... I vaguely remember that nick
[12:16] <Shrugz> i always went by that
[12:16] <Shrugz> well if u had the key term at the end that sums up deranged programmer and begins with the letter H
[12:16] <Shrugz> you would know
[12:16] <Shrugz> bro
[12:16] <Shrugz> lol
[12:16] <Kamilion> I know too many deranged programmers these days. Got a job at NASA.
[12:19] <Shrugz> you know what i meant by the word H
[12:19] <Shrugz> right
[12:19] <Shrugz> at the end of my mad name
[12:19] <Kamilion> not offhand right now, I've been up for 2 days reading and my eyes are tired and watery
[12:19] <Kamilion> MadHatter?!
[12:24] <lamont> sommer: "do not config" is the default only if there is already a /etc/postfix/main.cf
[12:24] <lamont> iric
[12:24] <lamont> iirc, even
[12:31] <sommer> lamont: cool, I assume you're talking about the conversation between me and mathiaz?
[12:33] <lamont> yeah
[12:34] <sommer> ah, ya I just had one of those "wasn't there a bug like this before" moments, but mathiaz straightened me out
[12:36] <hubuntu> anyone tested ebox? Does it make heavy changes in conf files by default or what?
[12:37] <Kamilion> I was looking at it earlier myself but I havn't tested it yet.
[12:38] <Kamilion> but I think it does indeed do heavy config changes -- it even warns not to have the services configured beforehand cause it'll eat 'em
[14:18] <edneymatias> hi!
[14:18] <edneymatias> morning all!
[14:19] <edneymatias> can someone help me with lvm?
[14:19] <_ruben> edneymatias: someone might if you'd state a more detailed question :)
[14:19] <edneymatias> ok..just to see if someone is listening
[14:19] <edneymatias> :D
[14:19] <edneymatias> thank you
[14:20] <edneymatias> first of all...it isn't a question about ubuntu server...but relates to lvm...
[14:20] <edneymatias> so...i posted in ubuntu channel...but no way...so
[14:21] <edneymatias> i did a manual install of the lvm using the default cd...without the alternate cd
[14:21] <edneymatias> so...i loaded the md-mod
[14:21] <edneymatias> installed lvm2
[14:21] <edneymatias> did the partitioning
[14:23] <edneymatias> ubiquity recongnized the partitions and allowed me to specify the mounting points
[14:23] <edneymatias> and installed everything
[14:24] <edneymatias> affter installation completed i chrooted to the new system and install lvm packages
[14:24] <edneymatias> and reboot just to see the machine hanging
[14:24] <edneymatias> just after detecting devices...just before mouting root filesystem
[14:25] <edneymatias> finally the question is....what am i missing?
[14:25] <edneymatias> :D
[14:25] <_ruben> the default cd doesnt support lvm out of the box??
[14:25] <edneymatias> nop
[14:26] <_ruben> guess lvm is less of an 'issue' for desktops indeed
[14:26] <_ruben> only using server myself
[14:26] <_ruben> so wouldnt know
[14:26] <_ruben> could be that the initrd lacks some lvm stuff or smth
[14:27] <edneymatias> i see...and agree....it just sounded possible to do like that...i can 't figure out why it doesn't work
[14:27] <edneymatias> so...
[14:27] <edneymatias> in some version ubuntu droped the lvm-commont package
[14:27] <edneymatias> now it's just lvm2
[14:28] <sommer> edneymatias: is the lvm partition listed in /etc/fstab?
[14:28] <edneymatias> and there isn't /etc/init.d/lvm script
[14:28] <edneymatias> yes they are
[14:29] <edneymatias> it seems udev handles the dm-mod loading and vgscan stuff
[14:29] <sommer> is dm_mod loaded?  lsmod | grep dm_mod
[14:29] <edneymatias> our debian server do that throught the init.d script
[14:30] <edneymatias> that's something i can't check...if dm_mod is loaded
[14:30] <edneymatias> couse i can't get a prompt when i boot the machine
[14:30] <edneymatias> but...looking in udev...there's a script supposed to do that...i guess
[14:31] <sommer> edneymatias: is there an error when it doesn't mount the lvm partition?
[14:31] <edneymatias> 65-dmsetup.rules
[14:33] <edneymatias> booting in single mode it hangs just after detecting the discs...
[14:33] <edneymatias> no error message...none i can see from the messages
[14:35] <sommer> edneymatias: you might try editing /etc/fstab and using the path to the device instead of the uuid number... /dev/mapper/lvm-volume-name
[14:35] <edneymatias> yes fstab is using the uuid
[14:36] <edneymatias> sommer...while i was writing here ....it droped to busybox
[14:37] <sommer> you'll probably need to boot from a cd and enter the recovery mode
[14:37] <edneymatias> and it's what you said...no dm-mod loaded...
[14:37] <edneymatias> i needed just wait a bit more
[14:37] <edneymatias> :)
[14:39] <edneymatias> but...how i fix it?
[14:40] <sommer> edneymatias: you'll need to boot from a cd, then edit the file... at least that's my idea, it could be wrong :)
[14:40] <edneymatias> which onde?
[14:40] <edneymatias> which one?
[14:41] <sommer> edneymatias: /etc/fstab see my comment above
[14:41] <edneymatias> no no...ok...i saw
[14:41] <edneymatias> but...the problem is the dm-mod not loading
[14:42] <sommer> edneymatias: then edit /etc/modules and add dm_mod to the bottom, but if the machine went to busybox it probably wouldn't load dm_mod
[14:43] <sommer> my thought was that it somehow got the uuid number wrong, so if you change fstab to the device name it might work
[14:43] <edneymatias> ok i try change the fstab first
[14:43] <sommer> other than that, I'm really not sure what else you can do... without a more detailed error message
[14:44] <edneymatias> when it went to busyboxy it showed /dev/mapper/vg0-root doesn't exist...
[14:45] <sommer> that's to be expected since busybox isn't a full environment
[14:45] <edneymatias> hummm..not a clue indeed
[14:45] <sommer> at least that's what I'd expect
[14:48] <_ruben> probably lacks the lvm kmods in the initrd
[14:48] <edneymatias> humm...when i install lvm2 it updates the initrd
[14:49] <edneymatias> i think
[14:49] <_ruben> hmm .. in that case the module load / be loadable in the busybox env
[14:49] <_ruben> and/or changing fstab might do the trick
[14:50] <edneymatias> i'll try both...
[14:50] <\sh> edneymatias, did you just install it from an alternate cd without manual configuring the LVM devices (but with an already lvm partitioned HD?)
[14:51] <edneymatias> nop...installed from the default cd (no alternate) and manually install lvm and did the partitioning
[14:52]  * \sh had yesterday the bugger that the d-i installer recognized the lvm in general but never installed lvm2 because you have to actually enter the lvm device somehow...
[14:52] <\sh> in the d-i partitioner that is...
[14:53] <edneymatias> sh...the ubiquity alread recognized the partitions...and installed everything except the lvm package
[14:54] <edneymatias> but before reboot the system i chrooted and did it myself
[14:55]  * \sh don't know anything about ubiquity ;)
[14:55] <\sh> s/don't/doesn't/
[14:55] <edneymatias> i think it work the same way
[14:55] <\sh> edneymatias, na...
[14:56] <edneymatias> basically
[14:56] <edneymatias> ;)
[14:57] <\sh> edneymatias, but recognizing as in "Yes, this partition can contain LVM mappings" and "Yes, I want to mount special lvm mappings" is different though...recognizing doesn't give lvm2 package at all, at least in d-i...mounting or adding lvm mappings but pulls lvm2 package in
[14:58] <\sh> edneymatias, that's why I asked...
[14:59] <edneymatias> ok...but it just recongnized and allowed me to map only after i also installed the lvm2 package in the live cd enviroment
[14:59] <edneymatias> i installed, loaded the modules...run vgscan and vgchange...the way it's supposed to do in booting time
[14:59] <edneymatias> i guess
[15:00] <\sh> edneymatias, ah ok...so it's something different then...without having lvm2 package installed, imho ubiquity running on live-cd won't recognize the mapping in general but knows about the LVM partition id (via parted)
[15:00] <edneymatias> sorry if i confused you...english isn't my default language
[15:00] <edneymatias> :)
[15:01] <\sh> edneymatias, /me 's german so I understand you very nicely...I didn't catch it, that you are not using the alternate installer cd :)
[15:03] <edneymatias> yeah...now i'm downloading it...but...it would be if i don't have to...
[15:03] <edneymatias> anyway editing fstab and change from uuid to device name doesn't work
[15:04] <edneymatias> i will try to edit /etc/modules
[15:21] <edneymatias> ok...any other idea? :P
[15:22] <edneymatias> editing modules didn't solve
[15:23] <_ruben> edneymatias: made sure the lvm mods are avail in ur initrd ?
[15:25] <edneymatias> well...it's like i said...installing lvm2 triggered initrd update..but i'm not really sure...how can i check that and how can i update it?
[15:26] <mdz> jdstrand: ping re: bug 217815
[15:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 217815 in linux "Installation stalls randomly until a key is pressed" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217815
[15:26] <jdstrand> mdz: pong
[15:27] <mdz> jdstrand: trying to get a handle on how serious this bug is
[15:27] <_ruben> edneymatias: either by trying to load the module (modprobe) while in the busybox prompt .. or check the files within the initrd file
[15:27] <mdz> jdstrand: can you answer any of the questions I put into the report?
[15:27] <jdstrand> mdz: sure
[15:27] <edneymatias> ok ...modprobe fails on busybox
[15:27] <jdstrand> here or there?
[15:27] <mdz> jdstrand: there
[15:27] <jdstrand> mdz: np
[15:36] <jdstrand> mdz: updated
[15:41]  * lamont wonders if the nagios-plugins overwrites nagios-plugins-extra on upgrade bug is already uploaded/fixed, or if that's still pending
[15:42] <mathiaz> soren: how do you specify to use a virtio disk in libvirt ?
[15:42] <soren> mathiaz: Replace:
[15:43] <soren> <target dev='hda'/>
[15:43] <soren> with
[15:43] <soren> <target dev='vda' bus='virtio'/>
[15:43] <mathiaz> soren: ok - IIUC this is something that the guest will see
[15:44] <mathiaz> soren: it doesn't matter if on the host it's a qcow2 or a lvm snapshot ?
[15:45] <soren> Right.
[15:45] <soren> That's orthogonal.
[15:45] <mathiaz> soren: on the host, it will use /dev/vda ?
[15:45] <mathiaz> soren: s/host/guest/
[15:45] <soren> mathiaz: Yeah.
[15:45] <mathiaz> soren: or /dev/sda ?
[15:45] <soren> mathiaz: You shouldn't need to worry about that, though.
[15:46] <soren> vda.
[15:46] <mathiaz> soren: well - I specify in my preseed which disk should be used to install the system
[15:46] <soren> mathiaz: Ah... right, gotcha.
[15:46] <mathiaz> soren: I've just noticed that I've always used /dev/sda, even if target dev was set to hda
[15:47] <mathiaz> soren: also for the shutdown fix, acpid should install in the guest so that it works correctly ?
[15:49] <nxvl> soren: i was looking for you, which vm did you recomend, just for testing purposes
[15:50] <nxvl> soren: so i don't need to virtualize a production server, just to run old stable releases for bug confirmations
[15:50] <soren> mathiaz: Yeah.
[15:50] <soren> nxvl: If you have the hardware to use kvm, that's what I'd recommend.
[15:51] <nxvl> soren: and what's the hardware tu use kvm?
[15:52] <edneymatias> ok..got it...just runned update-initramfs ...it's seems that just installing lvm2 isn't enough...even if dpkg shows that it's updating initrd image
[15:53] <nxvl> s/tu/to
[15:53] <edneymatias> anyway thank you all, _soren_, sommer and sh
[15:53] <edneymatias> thank you!
[15:53] <mathiaz> nxvl: you need a recent processor that supports virtual extension
[15:54] <mathiaz> nxvl: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KvmVirtManagerEtc#head-d7a80833891a883a0a469750c9fa04ab8a16e48a
[15:55] <nxvl> mathiaz: so my 1.8 Mhz Core 2 Duo is what i need?
[15:56] <mathiaz> nxvl: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KvmVirtManagerEtc#head-d7a80833891a883a0a469750c9fa04ab8a16e48a
[15:56] <nxvl> oh! i already see the link
[15:56]  * nxvl HUGS mathiaz and soren
[16:06] <mathiaz> soren: I've got a kvm/libvirt problem: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7409/
[16:06] <seisen> does anybody know how to fix this problem with exim4: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63634/
[16:06] <soren> mathiaz: Yeah, don't do that.
[16:07] <mathiaz> soren: hum... I used to work
[16:07] <mathiaz> soren: *it* used to work
[16:07] <soren> mathiaz: YEs. I fixed it :)
[16:08] <soren> mathiaz: It's due to the different bios that comes into play when you use virtio.
[16:08] <soren> mathiaz: It doesn't support more than one boot device.
[16:08] <mathiaz> soren: hum...  The mirror's aren't up to date yet
[16:27] <darthanubis> guess its rolling out slowly
[16:27] <Jeeves_> I guess it's a bit of a mess :)
[16:27] <darthanubis> I just got an iso
[16:27] <soren> mathiaz: You'll have to "manually" tell it which device to boot from.
[16:28] <darthanubis> not its not there
[16:28] <soren> mathiaz: Sorry.
[16:28] <darthanubis> its off an on
[16:29] <mathiaz> soren: ok - what are the other value for the on_reboot option ?
[16:29] <mathiaz> soren: If the vm could power off on reboot after the install that would help me
[16:29] <darthanubis> Its still being synced to all the mirros though.
[16:29] <soren> mathiaz: destroy, I think.
[16:31] <soren> mathiaz: Yes, that seems to be accurate.
[16:31] <soren> (looking at the code, not by testing it)
[16:31] <mathiaz> soren: ok - I'll give it a try then
[16:49] <nxvl> soren: i think i'm having problems with network manager
[16:50] <soren> nxvl: How so?
[16:50] <nxvl> every time i run kvm i lost networks conection
[16:50] <nxvl> i'm using a wireless conection
[16:50] <nxvl> and have already add iface vnet0 inet manual
[16:50] <nxvl> to interfaces
[16:51] <nxvl> also i've got an error because i don't have qemu installes
[16:54] <nxvl> soren: nevermind, it's working now
[18:28] <LeChacal> I remote access into my server/cluster and i want to run something that will take several days to finish but when i start the job remotely when i log out the process is stopped. Is there a way that I can run in it so that it will keep running after I have logged out remotely. The only thing I could think of was to set the process to start with an 'at' command but is there another way?
[18:29] <ivoks> screen
[18:29] <ivoks> apt-cache show screen
[18:32] <LeChacal> screen looks like reading the description that it freeze the process until you resume it, or am i wrong?
[18:34] <ivoks> you are wrong
[18:35] <ivoks> you start screen with a command 'screen'
[18:35] <ivoks> then start your program and detach it with ctrl+a+d
[18:35] <ivoks> logout and enjoy in life
[18:35] <ivoks> 2 days later, run screen -r
[18:36] <ivoks> and you'll be in the session your left with ctrl+a+d
[18:36] <ivoks> http://kb.iu.edu/data/acuy.html
[18:37] <LeChacal> ok thank you i will be trying this soon
[18:37] <ivoks> np
[18:48] <Theo__> How I give  the user "www-data" root priviledges?(I have php files in a password-protected directory that i want to execute with root pirvs)
[18:49] <ivoks> you really don't want to add admin privileges to www-data user
[18:49] <Theo__> i do
[18:50] <ivoks> forget that idea, try with different aproach
[18:50] <Theo__> lol
[18:50] <ivoks> really
[18:50] <Theo__> i have the files in password-protected directory
[18:50] <ivoks> cause, php allows you to write files on disk
[18:50] <Theo__> excuse me?
[18:50] <ivoks> if www-data is root, then anyone accesing your web site will be able to delete all your data
[18:51] <Theo__> how?
[18:52] <ivoks> how what?
[18:52] <Theo__> Could they do that even if i do not have any php file in that directory?
[18:52] <ivoks> just forget that idea
[18:52] <ivoks> you could work something out with sudo, maybe
[18:53] <Theo__> hmm
[18:53] <Theo__> i want to exec this with php: shell_exec('eject cdrom1')
[18:54] <ivoks> then add www-data to cdrom group
[18:54] <ivoks> and that's it
[18:54] <Theo__> i tryed
[18:54] <Theo__> and it doesnt work
[18:54] <ivoks> restart apache
[18:54] <Theo__> just a second
[18:56] <Theo__> wow!
[18:56] <Theo__> worked
[18:56] <ivoks> of course it worked
[18:56] <Theo__> i added it to cdrom 2 days ago and forgot to restart
[18:57] <Theo__> thanks man/lady
[18:57] <Theo__> my stupid mistake
[18:57] <ivoks> man :)
[19:16] <mathiaz> soren: I think I've already mentionned that, but I do a reboot in hardy guest it shuts down instead of rebooting
[19:17] <soren> mathiaz: Yes, you mentioned that. Did you file a bug? I forget.
[19:19] <mathiaz> soren: nope - I will file a bug now
[19:29] <elventear> Hello. I have some VPN connections that I want to bring up when the server starts. Should I put them in the interfaces configuration file or run them as init scripts?
[19:30] <elventear> One of the VPNs uses pptp, which can go in the interfaces easily, IIRC. The other uses vpnc, so is it possible to put the latter in the interfaces config as well?
[19:31] <elventear> Or better yet, just write a script and link it to my interface using post-up
[19:31] <ivoks> elventear: i would suggest putting it in rc.local
[19:32] <ivoks> just be sure to change #!/bin/sh to #!/bin/bash in /etc/rc.local - it wold save couple of years of your life :D
[19:32] <mathiaz> soren: done - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kvm/+bug/219326
[19:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 219326 in kvm "a reboot issued from the guest shutdowns the guest instead of rebooting it" [Undecided,New]
[19:33] <elventear> ivoks: Thanks. I'll look into using rc.local
[19:33] <soren> mathiaz: Lovely. Thanks.
[19:33] <ivoks> mathiaz: that happend to me in feisty too, but i discovered that kernel crashed
[19:33] <mathiaz> ivoks: when did it crash ?
[19:34] <mathiaz> ivoks: I see Halting system on the console
[19:34] <ivoks> oh... that's not it then, sorry
[19:44] <Theo__> hello
[19:51] <Theo__> I added the user  "www-data" to group cdrom so a php script can eject the drive "cdrom". I have a second drive called cdrom1 and the php script and the user do not work for this reason: "eject: unable to open `/dev/scd1'". The root user can eject without problems. What should i do to get it to eject?
[19:55] <sommer> Theo__: probably change permissions on /dev/scd1 to allow the cdrom group to access it
[19:57] <Theo__> how do i do that?
[19:58] <sommer> sudo chgrp cdrom /dev/scd1 should do it
[19:59] <Theo__> wow
[19:59] <Theo__> thanks. That did the trick
[19:59] <sommer> Theo__: party! you're welcome
[20:12] <The_kernel> Hi, I'm having issues with sysklogd not starting.
[20:12] <The_kernel> and the sudo /etc/init.d/sysklogd start doesn't start it.
[20:31] <Zorg95> hi, I am just deciding which distribution to choose as dom0 for xen deployment - I have a very good experience with ubuntu, but i am a bit afraid about kvm as No1 virt technology in hardy... anyone knows about planned xen status at hardy?
[20:37] <zul> Kvm is the prefered over xen
[20:43] <Zorg95> I see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xen-3.2/+bug/204010
[20:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204010 in xen-3.2 "networking not working" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[20:44] <Zorg95> looks like it will not be a good idea
[20:45] <nxvl> mathiaz: thank you for the scripts on Bug #189616
[20:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 189616 in dovecot "connection problems under load with hardy dovecot" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189616
[20:45]  * nxvl HUGS mathiaz
[20:54] <elventear> Hello. I am trying to setup a VPN connection using PPTP. Does anybody have any idea on how to make it reconnect when it is disconnected?
[21:06] <Zorg95> yeah, according to launchpad and mailing lists, debian etch would be a much better for xen
[21:10] <mathiaz> soren: I'm trying to install an lvm partition on /dev/vda - it fails
[21:10] <mathiaz> soren: apparently partman-lvm doesn't recognise /dev/vda5 as a valid partition to install lvm on it
[21:13] <soren> mathiaz: I know. I'm supposed to upload a fix later today.
[21:13] <soren> mathiaz: Or you could do it?
[21:13] <soren> :)
[21:13] <mathiaz> soren: great - do I need to file a bug ?
[21:14] <soren> mathiaz: It's already there, and there's already a debdiff. It just needs to be uplaoded.
[21:14] <soren> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lvm2/+bug/205011
[21:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205011 in lvm2 "LVM2 doesn't recognise 'virtio' virtual disks (/dev/vd*)" [High,In progress]
[21:14] <soren> mathiaz: It's tested and works as expected.
[21:15] <mathiaz> soren: hum... I was looking under debian-installer
[21:15] <soren> mathiaz: Ah. Nope, it's an lvm2 bug. It only accepts a predefined set of block devices, and virtio wasn't one of them.
[21:17] <mathiaz> soren: I can sponsor the upload
[21:27] <mathiaz> soren: uploaded
[21:31] <brewmaster> hey all, i have exim mail server, how can i delete all messages older than, say, 100 days from the command line?
[21:45] <brewmaster> nobody here?
[21:46] <darthanubis> !patience
[21:46] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[23:16] <ScottK> leonel: I talked to jdstrand and he suggested assuming your previous debdiff's have already been applied.
[23:18] <jdstrand> leonel: I am not sure what your question was, but just so I know it was communicated right-- I think a single debdiff with all the patches is the way to go, as we have not prepared the upload yet.  ie one upload fixes them all
[23:18] <ScottK> jdstrand: Thanks for clarifying.  I thought you said the opposite.
[23:19] <jdstrand> ScottK: np :)
[23:19] <jdstrand> really, I'd be happy with either as I know people work hard on these, but it would be easier to process
[23:28] <LMJ> hi
[23:45] <darthanubis> !ask
[23:45] <darthanubis> hi


[08:48] <pavlushka> .isup ubuntu.ipserverone.com
[08:48] <u-la-la> http://ubuntu.ipserverone.com is down from here.
[18:44] <Ridley5> Bonsoir
[19:58] <elacheche> Hello Ridley5 :)
[20:16] <Ridley5> Hi elacheche :)
[20:17] <elacheche> wassup!
[20:34] <Ridley5> nothing special
[20:34] <Ridley5> you?


[00:13] <guiverc> Lubuntu uses full disk encryption, so less code is available than other non-full disk (/boot unencrypted for example) is why control is limited... but sorry I don't know of any @Davd Heinrich
 @David Heinrich [I installed Lubuntu with full disk encryption so it asks for pw on boot. Is ther …], I would err on the side of "no" - none of the FDE solutions that come with Lubuntu or Linux in general give you the option to reveal the password you're typing.
[06:49] <SirNapkin1334> hello, how can I create a live usb with persistent storage? I used rufus and ticked the "persistent storage" and set it to as much as I could (13GB on a 16GB usb), however, the lubuntu installer has no "try lubuntu" option. have I done something wrong?
[06:50] <SirNapkin1334> and before you tell me to install it proper, the laptop has no internal hard disk. so no.
[06:50] <SirNapkin1334> and I don't have any external disks that I can use currently.
[06:52] <SirNapkin1334> there are 5 options: "Install Lubuntu"; "Check disc for defects"; "Test memory"; "Boot from first hard disk"; "Rescue a broken system"
[06:53] <guiverc> SirNapkin1334, I've only used `mkusb` to create persistent thumb drives - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb/
[06:53] <SirNapkin1334> thank you i will take a look at that!
[06:54] <guiverc> SirNapkin1334, what release of Lubuntu; later releases say "Start Lubuntu" not "Try"
[06:54] <guiverc> The manual section for installing Lubuntu is https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/1/Installing_lubuntu.html  (it'll assume 20.04 LTS)
[06:54] <SirNapkin1334> the file I downloaded it called "lubuntu-18.04-alternate-i386.iso" - so 18.06-alternate
[06:55] <SirNapkin1334> yes, but I wish to create a live persistent usb, not install it proper (i'm sort of unable to do that)
[06:55] <SirNapkin1334> unless you can point me to an incredibly cheap external disk, live persistent usb drive is going to be my only option
[06:55] <guiverc> the alternate ISO is for 768MB machines or less; it has fewer options, no LIVE mode so no try/start - it's an installer only (to fit in <768MB)
[06:56] <guiverc> you've got an ISO that can't do what you want.
[06:56] <SirNapkin1334> ahh
[06:56] <SirNapkin1334> my machine only has 1024MB
[06:56] <SirNapkin1334> so i suppose i will do that
[06:56] <SirNapkin1334> but I looked on the page and i couldn't find a "non-alternate" 32-bit ISO?
[06:56] <guiverc> I testing Lubuntu up to and including 19.04 in laptops with 1GB of RAM using standard ISO
[06:56] <SirNapkin1334> considering the machine is 15 years old I figured x64 wouldn't work
[06:57] <guiverc> enterprise grade equipment from 20years ago is amd64, only cheap consumer grade still used x86/i386-i686
[06:58] <SirNapkin1334> pentium m 770 is what it has
[06:58] <SirNapkin1334> aah yeah that's 32
[06:58] <guiverc> pentium M is usually x86 only; early pentium M is i586, later is i686
[06:59] <SirNapkin1334> may i ask, what do those last two numbers mean? I know i383 == x86, but what do those last two mean? honestly i've never heard of them
[06:59] <guiverc> x86_64 is amd64 (64bit; both intel & amd use it; amd created it, intel's was non-x86 compatible thus is dead in the market)
[07:00] <guiverc> i386 did mean intel 80386, then i486 is intel 80486, etc.. intel created x86 codes so i=intel. i383=?? typo?
[07:00] <SirNapkin1334> ah yes, typo, sorry, means 386
[07:01] <guiverc> amd created the x86_64 thus it's officially called amd64; many consumers think it won't run on intel amd64 thus x64
[07:02] <guiverc> your issue is ISO you grabbed is an installer only; you can't TRY or use a uninstalled alternate-ISO except to install
[07:03] <guiverc> I'd alse ensure you go to the correct site; ie. don't use search engines. lubuntu.me is the official site
[07:03] <SirNapkin1334> yeah, i was using the correct site. i just didn't realize there was much of a difference, and since i couldn't find the 32 bit desktop download i assume there wasn't one
[07:03] <SirNapkin1334> it's because i looked at the release page that is linked to in some paragraph on the first page
[07:04] <SirNapkin1334> which is different from the actual release page
[07:05] <guiverc> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/18.04.4/release/ to download latest Lubuntu 18.04.4  (x86 compatible)
[07:05] <guiverc> (actually it has 18.04.1, .2, .3, .4 or all... i386 & amd64..)
[07:07] <SirNapkin1334> yeah i think i grabbed the right one
[07:07] <SirNapkin1334> "lubuntu-18.04.4-desktop-i386.iso"
[07:09] <guiverc> :)
[07:10] <guiverc> I used to write ISO to one thumb-drive, then install it to another (achieved persistent but I believe was faster)... but I've not done that in years  (took some fiddling to make it work on any system, persistent is usually easier)
[07:11] <SirNapkin1334> what a solution
[07:50] <SirNapkin1334> guiverc: so, i did it all and did the "try lubuntu without installing" but it boots up into CLI mode?  how do i make it run the GUI
[07:57] <guiverc> I would check your ISO was downloaded perfectly (https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-how-to-verify-ubuntu#0) and suggest you use the "Check disc for defects" (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/CDIntegrityCheck) to verify the write to your media.. I'd expect that to work, (just tested on an old ibm t43 thinkpad, 1gb ram)
[08:01] <SirNapkin1334> wait does check disc for defects check the installer usb?
[08:01] <SirNapkin1334> and i verified via sha1, the desktop iso matched that of the site
[08:02] <guiverc> :)  yep "check disc for defects" checks the install media (not drives you are installing to, the disc refers to a CD/DVD even though most of us thumb-drives now)
[08:03] <SirNapkin1334> ah that explains why it says disc and not disk
[08:03] <SirNapkin1334> yeah, it's weird, when I "try" it, it shows the lubuntu gui bootup thing for a split second and then it cuts to shell
[08:03] <SirNapkin1334> ash or smth
[08:04] <SirNapkin1334> i tried startx but coudln't find anything graphics related
[08:04] <SirNapkin1334> also, ctrl+c doesn't work and exit doesn
[08:04] <SirNapkin1334> doesn't work either
[08:04] <SirNapkin1334> exit fails the first time and crashes the computer the second time (kernal panic)
[08:04] <SirNapkin1334> no errors found wtf
[08:04] <SirNapkin1334> should I try to send a video file?
[08:05] <SirNapkin1334> of me doing it
[08:06] <guiverc> sorry I don't know (no alternatives come to mind) .. if no-one else offers help here, you can also ask in #ubuntu (can be used by flavors), but currently I'm blank (trouble with graphics doesn't fit what you're describing..)
[08:07] <SirNapkin1334> it has no graphics card as far as i know
[08:07] <SirNapkin1334> only onboard / integrated or smth
[08:08] <guiverc> integrated graphics or graphics card roughly the same.  (graphics cards are just usually better than integrated)
[08:10] <SirNapkin1334> yeah alright thanks
[12:36] <el-x-cutie> Hi there, I am using Lubuntu20.4. I  just managed to activate the virtual keyboard.
[12:36] <el-x-cutie> It showed a nice icon beneath the clock, to toggle it...
[12:37] <el-x-cutie> I deactived it and now I am not able to find it again!
[12:37] <el-x-cutie> Can anyone assisCan anyone assist?t?
[12:40] <diogenes_> el-x-cutie, it could be onboard (name of the keyboard).
[12:46] <el-x-cutie> thx, but i dont have onboard installed
[12:46] <el-x-cutie> I think it had to do with the 'Fcitx' configuration
[12:47] <el-x-cutie> but cannot find it anymore
[12:50] <diogenes_> el-x-cutie, maybe florence or vkbd.
[12:52] <el-x-cutie> i think they all have to be installed manually. But the one I had there was already pre-installed (very lightweight^^ )
[12:53] <el-x-cutie> it can be configured in "Fctix Configuration" which can be accessed by "Settings" in "Start Menu"
[12:53] <el-x-cutie> but where to activate this pre-installed virtual keyboard ... I cannot find it anymore
[12:54] <diogenes_> is it 20.04?
[13:14] <diogenes_> el-x-cutie, ok it's in menu > system tools > Fcitx or simply in terminal run: fcitx
[13:23] <el-x-cutie> diogenes thank you!!!
[13:23] <el-x-cutie> it works as it should!
[13:25] <diogenes_> el-x-cutie, you're welcome.
[14:56] <JavierSpain> hello
[15:30] <Deano59> how can I create shortcuts via lxqt? like windows button + b opens a browser etc?
[15:31] <Deano59> nvm.... lol
[17:47] <old_leather> Hi all
[17:48] <old_leather> I have a question about support for older LTS releases.  These channels seem quiet, so I'm just going to toss it out there, and hang around to see if anyone replies.
[17:50] <old_leather> So, LTS releases of vanilla Ubuntu get five years of support, and flavors get three
[17:51] <old_leather> But they all use the same repos
[17:52] <old_leather> So say I want to run Lubuntu Bionic
 the same repository *servers* but different distros/sections of the repositories
[17:52] <old_leather> Does that mean that there's an advantage, support-wise, to installing vanilla Ubuntu Bionic and then installing lubuntu-desktop?
 not really
[17:52] <old_leather> Or would I get the same duration of support installing directly from the Lubuntu 18.04.4 image?
 the lubuntu repos pull from the same repos as the Desktop vanilla repos
 you'd get the '5 years of support' but only from the Bionic release - you would not get continued *Lubuntu* updates past the Lubuntu support period
 (which isn't necessarily the same as the LTS 5 year coverage)
 you'd have the same problem if you install vanilla Ubuntu and then install lubuntu-desktop - the lubuntu packages aren't guaranteed 5 years of support
[17:54] <old_leather> so I'd be covered until 2023 for the packages that Lubuntu shares with vanilla Ubuntu, but I'd stop seeing updates for Lubuntu-specific stuff in 2021
 correct
[17:55] <old_leather> Okay, thanks!
 unless someone makes a push to fix an issue in the Lubuntu pckages but beyond the standard coverage for Lubuntu support in the LTS release, there's no guarantee of ongoing updates
[18:03] <old_leather> I'm mainly just trying to keep a 32-bit laptop useful for a while, mostly as a project machine
 ah, well you have until 2023 to replace it
 because after 2023 you are out of upgrade options - no 32bit support anymore
[18:14] <old_leather> I'm already looking for options outside the Ubuntu ecosystem
[18:15] <old_leather> But I've enjoyed using Lubuntu in the past, and would like to keep using it for as long as possible
[18:20] <old_leather> Well, off to do that install
[18:20] <old_leather> Clean things up a bit ;)
[18:20] <old_leather> Thanks again
[22:13] <robert_> hello