 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/LfNQhHb6/file_4066
 Sorry for copy-paste from up-thread.  Fumble-fingers.
 BT_RTFCOMM what this flag does?
 Do we have any guides to flash from ubuntu touch back to android?
 @Corne, Not really but should be able to do this quite easily
 @dohbee, Sorry, I have mistaken greasy with greedy 😕😣
[08:27] <tgBot1> YvesLucien was added by: YvesLucien
 @. ., In my opinion, that's correct. It could be a nice thing if someone (a for profit organization detached by UBports) would try to install Ubuntu Touch on the supported phones for a reasonable fee and then give some of the fees back to UBports that can use them to improve the development and build more ports of the OS for other phones. if the fee is reasonable this would benefit the people who use it, the project, and also the other GNU/Linux
[08:37] <tgBot1> distro for phone through the halium project. Obviously the people would still be able to install Ubuntu themselves for free if they have the skills to do that.
 @dohbee, No, he is correct on this. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html
 @. ., Just, for sure he didn't use the "open source" formula to talk about it
 Guys, Is it possible for the installation to last 60 minutes?
 @Dejavu_Dmitry, Which step is it on?
 my installer stucked on "Downloading file 1 of 2"
 🤔 Downloading shouldn't take long normally
 If your internet connection is very slow or failed during the process
 If the connection failed, then maybe the installer is not able to recover
 @garrogarri, okay, can i restart installer at this point?
 Yes, I think it should be safe
 I'll try.. right now.
 Worked, like a charm! … The problem was in my proxy...
 Okay, but now on the screen appeared Ubports Recovery menu ... And on PC installer downloads files (12) … Is any reaction need?
 No
 Just wait
 @garrogarri, Stuck on downloading 1 file of 12..... I think that there is no any handling of file downloading issues or network conection problems in Installer
 yes, I think so too
 @Corne, Just use magic device tool?
 @garrogarri, Also the download is so slow ... Even through my 100Mbps internet channel
 @garrogarri, There is awesome thing implemented in SDI (Snappy Driver Installer, an application for installing/updating drivers on PCs running Microsoft Windows using driverpacks or included folders with drivers. It can be used to install drivers on newly assembled PCs at places where Internet isn't available. Users can also use the software to keep their drivers up to date.) … Downloading files by p2p...bittorrent... … SDI is GPL-project
[11:22] <tgBot1> real for UBports Installer?
 @Dejavu_Dmitry, if I'm not wrong, Magic Device Tool download the files to install in their own folder and if the files are already presents, use it
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 @garrogarri, As soon as its a company its all about liability, consumer rights and warranty. I think it is possible but would require a supply of new phones. So you can order a batch of 100 and get a discount. Then it could work. But many of the supported phones are from used market already
 Is it possible to offer the installation as a service? Is there also some liability like a warranty then?
[13:58] <tgBot1> <. .> Hello to everyone
 hello! 😊
[14:00] <tgBot1> <. .> This article has vindicated my stand
[14:00] <tgBot1> <. .> https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html
[14:00] <tgBot1> <. .> Now I beleive this discussion can move forward
 @. ., In @UBports_ot perhaps?
[14:02] <tgBot1> <. .> The first point in selling/distributing the O's for a fee is what additional value we can add to the software/os for which people can pay.For an example I can say Google added play store maps etc
 Google surely won't do that
 @. ., I would not do that. The additional value for people who pay will be that they don't need any skill to install some software that will provide long term support
 Google gets revenue by selling people's data, not by selling the software
[14:07] <tgBot1> <. .> @garrogarri, Exactly
[14:07] <tgBot1> <. .> @garrogarri, BTW thanks for qouting that article
 Maybe ubports could license some maps from non google map providers for download as offline maps to ubports - i would be interested..
[14:09] <tgBot1> <. .> @garrogarri, But we can earn by providing a delivery channel & simplyfying installation procedure & perhaps by adding default search engine,maps etc of our choice
 @Andrissk, You can download OSM tiles
[14:10] <tgBot1> Space_Lenin was added by: Space_Lenin
 @. ., well tbf you mentioned selling "open source software". Where as that talks about selling "free software". Have a read of https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.en.html
 @garrogarri, Do you mean the OSMScout app? Thanks for the tip..
[14:14] <tgBot1> <. .> @DanChapman, I didn't mention selling I mentioned monetizing which may be different from selling the open source software.It can be adding &  monetizing services etc linked to this os
 oh no not again
 yup
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/rwG52Pzy/file_4078.mp4
 Good affternoon. Since two hours I have the pprooblem, that I am not asked for the PIN of my second SIM of my FP2 (after a reboot). In the drop-down I can see it is locked. Tapping the unlock-button doooes nothing. Manual rebooting doesn't help, too. Can someone help, please?
 fozzy bear facepalm is the bestest facepalm
 .
 Thanks to the built-in reboot-automat of the FP2 my phone repaired itself. Three reboots later it let me unlock the second SIM again.
 @Daniel, 😂 gotta love that auto reboot function. it clears RAM quickly and keeps you from spending too much time on your phone. it's customer oriented too by perfectly matching the average teenager's attention span.
 :)
 Well, from time to time I find it a little bit annoying. Just a little bit. It is somehow apple-ish in that way that it knows what you want better than you know it yourself. But in general, it is a nice function for smartphone addicts.
 No! you dont want that webapp, no, you don't want to scroll, no don't play that game. close that app?  The OSM people were paying huge server costs for third party apps using their tiles, so they shut that option down. I'm using OpenTopoMap for downloading, it's different but still useful for cities too (and great for topography, of course)
 @Gorsh2, There should be a P2P way to do this
 There's also Maperitive: a program to render your own tiles using the raw data download.
 @garrogarri, That's a great idea.
 @Gorsh2, This looks nice
 @Gorsh2, It would be fine to know how create maps for OSMScout from OpenStreetMap.
 http://maperitive.net/
 @Gorsh2, I didn't know it. Thanks.
 @Cesar_Herrera, Me neither
 What I didn't like was there's no preset way of showing it exactly the same as OSM
 The map I mean.
 You have this rulesets that say what gets rendered, and none was exactly like it.
 That's why I'm using OTM tiles now (they still let you direct download). I'm on a hiking vacation now and it's been awesome, the trails are drawn perfectly.
 The app GSMScout is very good and the maps very compact. But it should be more user friendly.
 No idea, uNav for me is everything I need.
 Except maybe GPX recording and rendering; that would make it perfect.
 uNav is very good when you have data.
 In some fields it is difficult.
 No, you can use it offline, everything I said here was for that.
 I've been using it with offline tiles for a while
 In this case I preffer OSMScout.
 Oh I didn't know it worked onlin
 e
 As a navigator. Cool.
 It isn't my scenario (I mostly need directions in cities; and a plain map where there's no signal) but cool.
 @Gorsh2, The OSMScout is only offline.
 Oh. I've just downloaded it and remembered. I used to use it before uNav got the offline maps thing.
 @Gorsh2, Also bike map and navigation is a missing feature
 @garrogarri, Indeed.
 If you only want record the track there were Activity Tracker.
 Yeah, I know... But it's not on the OpenStore now.
 :(
 I think it's a pretty simple function to write; I may start asking Costales for it
 (Or maybe even write a crude script myself)
 OK
 @Gorsh2, yeah, it's perfect for it 👌🏻
 @Gorsh2, I'm trying to fork an old gpx tracking app in my free time, I'll let you know when I publish it...
 (Photo, 512x374) https://irc.ubports.com/CoEg9R5N/file_4080.jpg
 Next UBPorts platform with convergence confirmed??
 @Michele, Oh yes. If you need help (not a programmer here, just an amateur) just ask.
 That, and a good mpd client, is all I need for my UBthingy.
 @Gorsh2, ok, now I'm just trying to make the old app working 😂
 Was it Activity Tracker?
 Or another one?
 @Gorsh2, yaeh, that one
 Cool. Like I said, anything this amateur non-programmer can do to help, just ask.
 sure!
 https://github.com/cwayne18/ActivityTracker
 @samzn, device?🤠😥
 Nintendo Switch
 @Cesar_Herrera, This is... Chris Wayne (out there)?
 must recruit!
 @samzn, lol
[17:38] <tgBot1> resowy95 was added by: resowy95
 @samzn, Is it an ASUS Transformer TF 101?
 Hi @Space_Lenin and @resowy95! I'm part of the Welcoming Team. Please read https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get up to speed and feel free to ask any question, especially in the Newcomers Room!
 @MUR55MM, I'm trying to build It...
 @Mattia990, Okey thanks
 I have a problem with moving a file that i have downloaded with the downloadmanager (qml in my app) and then moving it to the downloads folder (with cpp)  (https://github.com/neochapay/webbrowser-app/blob/620b91907224322526967d5e71a28c51bab974d9/src/app/webbrowser/downloads-model.cpp#L287) similar code ... i get a Failed moving file ... and the result of that operation is just false ... any ideas i'v set thsi permissions to appamor  … ```+
[20:25] <tgBot1> "content_exchange", … +        "content_exchange_source", … +    "write_path": [ … +    ],```
 is `apparmor` logging soimething somewhere ?
 @delijati, Yes in dmesg
[20:40] <tgBot1> Trapkingh was added by: Trapkingh
 Reagan: … I recently downloaded ubuntu-17.10.1-server-amd64.iso and extracted the iso file on my usb device but i cant seem to locate the setup.exe file … Any Clues
 @clannad, `apparmor="DENIED" operation="rename_dest"`
 thanks
 hmm so know how to fix that ... my conserne is that it shouldn't be fixed :/
 but sharing files with the content hib only works for known mimetypes aka images, video ...
 Hi @Trapkingh! I'm part of the Welcoming Team. To get started, please take a look at https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome. For your question, please come into the Newcomers Room.
 got it working by adding `"content-hub": "content-hub.json"`
[21:32] <tgBot1> JJW88 was added by: JJW88
 @JJW88, Hi @Joe W. I'm part of the Welcoming Team. Please read https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get up to speed and feel free to ask any question, especially in the Newcomers Room!
 @Trapkingh, There isn't a setup.exe, and that has nothing to do with ubports really
 If you want help with installing Ubuntu on a PC/server, the right place would be #ubuntu IRC on Freenode network
 or you can ask a question on https://askubuntu.com
[21:48] <tgBot1> <oleg sokolov> maybe a campaign on indiegogo with preinstalled ubuntu touch?
 @dohbee / Rodney thanks for this links, nice
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/n637joPF/file_4083
 @mariogrip In the latest Q&A you said, that the startup of the gallery-app (and some other apps) on xenial are fixed, right? How did you do this?
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[00:37] <h00k> what
[13:31] <hggdh> p
[15:06] <bazhang_> melanie and kyra: same IP
[15:08] <DJones> I'm guessing kids out of school
[15:08] <bazhang_> yep
[15:09] <Pici> chaaau
[15:09] <DJones> Ah well, one quit anyway
[15:09] <bazhang_> one of them quit
[15:09] <bazhang_> heh
[15:14] <DJones> It does seem to be a tradition, .it hosts join and do !list, multiple users from the same .es host join and spam the channel with random chat
[15:14] <bazhang_> and profanity
[15:15] <IdleOne> IP profiling is wrong!
[15:16] <jpds> Discrimination.
[15:16] <jpds> I'm disgusted.
[15:16] <bazhang_> ubottu random spam flood
[15:20] <IdleOne> jpds: I say we quit this team and start a new club
[15:25] <jpds>  /j ##the-people's-front-of-ubuntea.
[22:49] <Unit193> I think I know who gets the ban.
[23:03] <Pici> I sincerely doubt the best cheesesteak is not in Philly itself.
[23:24] <IdleOne> it can't be the best cheese steak because I don't work there and I make the BEST cheese steaks ever.
[23:51] <phunyguy> I want a cheese steak
[23:51] <phunyguy> in fact, I just want steak.


[10:07] <mbiebl> Keybuk: it's been very quite around upstart lately. What's the current status? Are you just busy with other things?
[10:27] <vlt> Hello. Afer an upgrade from Edgy to Feisty the system only boots to runlevel "unknown". I have to run `telinit 3` (sic!) to run all the daemons listed in /etc/rc3.d/ -- `telinit 2` leads to "unknown", too. apt-get dist-upgrade returns "0 ..., 0 ..., 0 ..., 0 ..." so everything should be in a proper state. Any idea how to fix upstart?


[10:52] <poolie> hello?
[10:57] <Spads> hello poolie
[11:20] <BjornT> good morning
[11:23] <jordi> hey
[11:23] <jordi> how was the week in SF?
[11:29] <Spads> exhausting
[11:31] <jordi> I can believe that :)
[11:31] <jordi> did kiko rent a bike?
[11:33] <Spads> he must have, as some mornings he had clearly just been biking
[04:59] <niemeyer> Is there a XML-RPC interface in Malone yet?
[05:07] <cprov> niemeyer: check https://xmlrpc.launchpad.net/malone/
[05:09] <niemeyer> cprov!
[05:10] <niemeyer> cprov: Will check it out, thanks
[05:10] <cprov> niemeyer: np
[09:59] <radix> there doesn't appear to be a way to search for all tickets that don't have a milestone
[10:00] <radix> (that is to say, is there a way to search for tickets that don't have a milestone?)
[10:04] <BjornT> radix: no, that's not possible at the moment.
[10:05] <radix> ok
[10:05] <radix> is there a way to get a list of tickets with a milestone column?
[10:08] <BjornT> no, that's not possible either. milestone searching isn't that good, since we haven't used milestones much.
[10:08] <radix> OK, I will deal :)
[10:08] <BjornT> feel free to file bugs about the features you want, though :)
[10:15] <radix> hmm
[10:15] <radix> BjornT: I have now learned that apparently Release Management is going to obsolete using milestones for release management
[10:15] <radix> I am not sure whether what I want to do is release management or milestones
[10:16] <radix> it seems rather distro-oriented
[10:22] <LarstiQ> iirc, it should help with bzr release management too?
[10:26] <BjornT> radix: ah, right. it could be that milestones will be obsolete, but maybe not, it depends on how the release managment works out.
[10:27] <BjornT> the spec is distro-oriented, but it's meant to work for upstream products as well; targeting bugs to release series
[12:03] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[12:06] <flacoste> yeah! I feel pumped (a little), good when a cold is starting


[11:31]  * PaulW2U counts 7 remaining summaries
[11:33] <PaulW2U> will do after 2100 UTC if no one else does them before then
[12:44] <guiverc_t> sorry Paul, wasn't feeling well & my concentration was near useless hence achieved little...  limited myself to 'most important only'
[12:45] <guiverc_t> worse:  didn't like what i did (if article got complicated; i got confused) .. but i commented my opinions anyway (as usual)
[12:47] <guiverc_t> *test
[12:48] <guiverc_t> question:  how do you do the lines * | user counts...
[16:10] <PaulW2U> guiverc_t: that's done with /me followed by whatever
[21:19]  * PaulW2U works on summaries
[21:25] <pleia2> ty Paul
[22:22] <guiverc_t> :)   thanks Paul
[22:22]  * guiverc_t Chris thanks Paul
[22:37] <PaulW2U> guiverc_t: just finished.....
[22:38] <PaulW2U> pleia2: left it until late Sunday (my time) as I hoped someone other than me and Chris would chip in
[22:38] <PaulW2U> but sadly that didn't happen.....
[22:39] <PaulW2U> anyway all done for another week
[22:39] <guiverc_t> query:  how many summary writers receive email?
[22:40] <PaulW2U> no idea but pleia2 did tell me that at one time it was around 40 !
[22:40]  * guiverc_t smiles @ Paul, waves thanks.
[23:16] <pleia2> yeah, it's a lot, many of whom have never ended up contributing :\
[23:17] <pleia2> I figure it doesn't hurt emailing them still, maybe some day...


[07:01] <johnstamosrisc> What are the packages needed to build the kernel again it looks like apt-get is deleting the cache and I want to save the packages locally.
[11:08] <dasGnu> Hello, I was asked to file a bug report while booted into a Ubuntu repository kernel (not a mainline one). Could someone give me a hint how to boot this repsitory kernel, please.
[15:21] <KernelCoder> Hello, I was trying to compile a Hello World module. I edited the Makefile and Kconfig in drivers/block. But when I ran make under the source tree, the new module is not compiled and no .ko file was generated. Any ideas?


[04:10] <VijayTripathi> hello
[04:11] <VijayTripathi> I am trying to deploy openstack cloud using Juju charms
[04:11] <VijayTripathi> what is best way to manage charms once they are deployed e.g. make sure a particular service is shutdown/running on a node
[09:00] <apuimedo> morning!
[09:21] <lazyPower> Mornin apuimedo
[09:27] <apuimedo> ;-)
[09:27] <apuimedo> lazyPower: did you see my email to the juju list?
[09:28] <lazyPower> I did, giving it some time for the OpenStack team to respond :)
[09:28] <apuimedo> very well :-)
[09:28] <apuimedo> It shows that I like more the relation based approach
[09:29] <lazyPower> I feel that's an intuitive model to adopt. It's a bit more "juju'ish" if thats a word.
[09:31] <apuimedo> yup :-)
[09:31] <apuimedo> I'm in love with making as much as possible in relations and as little as possible in configs
[09:32] <apuimedo> lazyPower: even for openstack version/distribution, for MidoNet charms I made a charm that sets the repos config for its relations to use
[09:44] <lazyPower> apuimedo: thats one of our core tenants. If you can, distill in the best practice in the relationship.
[09:45] <lazyPower> Configuration is fine - but its certainly preferred to make it "just work" when people draw the relationships. Part of our selling point is working with u pstream ISV's and getting that level of perf tuning baked into the charm for everyone
[09:45] <apuimedo> exactly :-)
[09:46] <apuimedo> I want them to just drag and drop if they want to
[09:49] <lazyPower> *tenets
[11:04] <AskUbuntu_> What does Service: storm has neither charm url or branch specified mean? | http://askubuntu.com/q/598665
[15:20] <arosales> juju docs update, per Canonical IS, they are bringing up the environment right now. If all goes well eta on docs being back up is 3 hours.
[15:44] <lazyPower> ta for the update arosales
[15:45] <arosales> lazyPower: np
[15:52] <AskUbuntu_> which openstack version will be installed with juju? | http://askubuntu.com/q/598768
[21:20] <rick_h_> arosales: lazyPower docs shold be working
[21:20] <rick_h_> proper release email will be coming in a bit but DNS is propogating and release finally out and up.
[21:25] <lazyPower> solid work rick_h_, th anks for the update
[21:57] <arosales> rick_h_: https://jujucharms.com/docs/1.20/getting-started working :-)
[21:57] <arosales> with versioning, very nice
[21:57] <arosales> next feature to land is a drop down to select versions
[21:57] <arosales> rick_h_: thanks for the update and getting back up and running
[22:22] <my_chiguai> rick_h_: those are the docs I was trying to use over the last couple of days. I speak for the (silent) users. Thank you!
[22:26] <rick_h_> arosales: definitely
[22:26] <rick_h_> my_chiguai: cool
[22:38] <apuimedo> arosales: ping


[14:25] <michael_> hi
[14:26] <michael_> can someone here help with ubuntu (16.04), rpi3 and audio via hdmi?


 (USB1 speed)
[01:31] <onicrom> so i found a winpe iso which i had to hack unetbootin to use as it required ntfs, which i then also had to hack syslinux to boot it... then i flashed the firmware ... yay... installed ubunut... yay... boot.. no love
[01:32] <onicrom> takes 20mins to write the iso to usb, and 30mins to boot the damn thing (usb1 wooo)
[05:37] <jtv> This.  This bit of code I just ran into from some other people's project:
[05:37] <jtv> pbp = bp;	/* jwg, 9/6/96 - nice catch! */
[05:38] <jtv> This is why clear code matters so much.
[05:39] <jtv> Also, non-ambiguous date formats.
[06:53] <bigjools> jtv: so the answer here, then, is to stop looking at other people's projects
[06:56] <jtv> bigjools: ah yes, of course.
[07:36] <bigjools> jtv: I'm a bit worried that your https://code.launchpad.net/~jtv/maas/allocate-ips-on-multiple-cluster-interfaces/+merge/231368 introduced race conditions
[07:36] <jtv> Aren't we running in serializable nowadays?
[07:36] <bigjools> no
[07:37] <jtv> !
[07:37] <jtv> How did that change?
[07:37] <bigjools> which is why in another branch Gavin did a load of  fixes to cope with READ_COMMITTED
[07:37] <jtv>  /o\
[07:37] <bigjools> serializable didn't work so it was backed out
[07:37] <bigjools> something broke in CI
[07:37] <bigjools> can't remember what
[07:37] <jtv> But at the time (Austin) we did that to solve a real production problem.
[07:38] <bigjools> NFI
[07:38] <bigjools> the new claim_static_ips you did looks very racy :(
[07:39] <jtv> All Django code is racy.
[07:39] <bigjools> well, yes :)
[07:39] <bigjools> let me point you at what Gavin did, one sec
[07:40] <bigjools> and hilariously, you reviewed it :)
[07:40] <bigjools> https://code.launchpad.net/~allenap/maas/static-ip-address-allocate-fixes/+merge/231048
[07:41] <bigjools> I have to go, back for call
[08:33] <allenap> bigjools, jtv: We ran serializable in development but the change never made it into production configurations, iirc.
[09:53] <dimitern> allenap, bigjools, jtv, rvba, Hey guys! A quick question re 1.6 and ip allocation for lxc containers - will the bridging setup still work (i.e. br0 as primary NIC on the node, eth0 as one of the ports) for containers to automatically get a DHCP-assigned IP? Or now we have to use the explicit IP reservation API?
[09:54] <jtv> dimitern: we intend to keep it working with dhcp.
[09:55] <dimitern> jtv, ok, that's great for short-term backwards compatibility
[09:55] <jtv> If you want to though, you can still allocate a static IP through the API.  But you'll have to configure the container's networking setup to use it.
[09:55] <dimitern> we will implement explicit allocation at some point soon, but I'm glad I don't have to worry about it just yet :)
[09:56] <dimitern> right
[10:01] <jtv> dimitern: dhcp is served in the cluster interface's "dynamic IP range."
[10:01] <jtv> If you allocate an IP through the API, you get one from the "static range."
[10:05] <dimitern> jtv, right, but as far as container addressability is concerned, both ranges are equally fine to use from juju's perspective
[10:08] <jtv> Right ho then.  :)
[12:01] <cjohnston> Mornin.. is anyone able to help me with bug #1279880? I seem to be having the same issue, however, for me, disabling the default network didn't help
[13:29] <blake_r> rvba: could you review the backwards compatable api we talked about for boot sources
[13:29] <blake_r> rvba: https://code.launchpad.net/~blake-rouse/maas/backward-compatible-boot-source-api/+merge/231499
[14:15] <magicrobotmonkey> Hi I have a cluster controller running on a node with a bonded interface
[14:15] <magicrobotmonkey> and I can't get it to respond to dhcp requests from other nodes
[15:52] <magicrobotmonkey> I'm getting a lot of "Duplicate ACK for blocknum X" in pserv.log
[18:16] <lazyPower> Greetings, question about my maas configuration. What do i need to stuff on my cluster controller to fix the 90curtain-aptproxy configuration that seems to be blocking any and all PPA action?
[18:17] <lazyPower> i do a ton of charm testing on a vmaas setup, and this triggers more false positives than anything - i wind up remoting into the unit and commenting out the 90curtain-aptproxy 100% of the time when a charm uses a ppa.
[18:25] <lazyPower> is theproper method here to install a squid-deb-proxy on my controller node, or do i hack on a partial somewhere?
[20:42] <lazyPower> and instaling squid-deb-proxy didn't seem to make a difference.
[20:42] <lazyPower> bummer :(


[01:52] <ax562> http://pastebin.com/BKdHjny0
[01:52] <ax562> can someone help me with this error?
[01:53] <PerfM> if you fart whistle praying to God, it should fix it
[01:53] <ax562> yeah thanks that didn't work either
[01:53] <ax562>  i turned off fastboot in windows 8.1, shutdown properly and ran chkdsk c: /f /r
[01:54] <ax562> but still the ntfs partition will not mount :/
[02:19] <ax562> had to run "powercfg.exe /hibernate off" in windoze
[02:20] <ax562> I hate windows updates
[04:35] <Legendre_> hi hi
[04:35] <Legendre_> so my machine has been a big fat pig since I installed the latest LTS.
[04:36] <Legendre_> can't seem to figure out what's up, or why it's so slow.. but dang, the poor thing is on it's face half the time, and this is just a basic desktop doing browsing etc.
[04:36] <Legendre_> #ubuntu
[04:37] <Legendre_> hm
[11:26] <dreamon> Thunar takes about 30sec before it is started and visible.
[11:36] <confusedaboutxub> Hello.
[11:37] <confusedaboutxub> Would someone be able to help me with a problem I have installing Xubuntu?
[11:38] <cfhowlett> !ask | confusedaboutxub
[11:39] <confusedaboutxub> Okay, sorry. I'm new to this. Basically, when I try to install Xubuntu, I get an error "Bootloader install failed" and that it's a fatal error. I'm not sure how to fix it.
[11:40] <cfhowlett> confusedaboutxub, could be many issues.  1.  did you md5sum the .iso you downloaded?  2. did you md5sum your bootable USB?
[11:41] <confusedaboutxub> I'm not sure what 'md5sum' means, sorry. I pressed the 'check disk for defects' option the second time I tried to install and it said that there were no problems with the disk.
[11:41] <cfhowlett> !md5sum | confusedaboutxub
[11:42] <confusedaboutxub> Oh good, it seems to have gotten past the grub part of the install. Thanks for all your help.
[11:43] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[11:43] <confusedaboutxub> I selected LVM this time, possibly that worked.
[11:45] <cfhowlett> ah!  yeah, that would do it.
[11:45] <confusedaboutxub> Okay, it's installed successfully now. Going to go. Thanks again for all your help. Bye!
[16:18] <Gotolei> where in the profile is the behavior for the home button handled?
[16:18] <Gotolei> power button*
[16:19] <Gotolei> i have it set to "ask" in the power manager, but instead it instantly logs out
[16:19] <Gotolei> and it works properly in a guest session
[16:30] <flocculant> Gotolei: check what .config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/ power manager has for power button action
[16:31] <Gotolei> 3
[16:32] <flocculant> here that shows as empty but if I go to the Settings Editor > xfce4-power-manager as 3
[16:32] <Gotolei> hm
[16:32] <flocculant> which tallies with what I see in /etc/xdg/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/ power manager
[16:32] <flocculant> so check ^^ now
[16:33] <Gotolei> hm, guest session does actually say "empty"
[16:33] <flocculant> right
[16:33] <flocculant> I would change 3 to empty
[16:34] <flocculant> it works as expected here with empty in 'user' - I get the ask options
[16:35] <Gotolei> changing it through mousepad has no effect
[16:35] <Gotolei> doing it through settings editor doesn't accept "empty" and changes it to zero
[16:35] <Gotolei> s/zero/0
[16:40] <flocculant> mmm
[16:41] <Gotolei> guest session is just  type="empty"  so trying to set that now
[16:41] <flocculant> what did settings editor actually show?
[16:41] <flocculant> because it needs to be 3
[16:41] <Gotolei> set to 3, and:
[16:43] <Gotolei> is there a way to restart the power manager in-place so it re-reads the settings
[16:46] <Gotolei> xfconf-query -c xfce4-power-manager -p /xfce4-power-manager/power-button-action -t empty
[16:46] <Gotolei> ..just returns "3"
[16:49] <Gotolei> https://i.imgur.com/zWlrMkv.png
[16:53] <Gotolei> can't make the changes stick
[16:53] <Gotolei> just did full reboot
[16:53] <Gotolei> even if i rename the file, it just creates a new one with the same old settings
[17:00] <Gotolei> :/
[17:01] <Gotolei> it was broken to hell in 14.04 too, but i don't remember what i did to fix it back then
[17:01] <Gotolei> or if it was even broken back then, and some interim update broke it at some point in the past year or so
[17:02] <Gotolei> just upgraded to 16.04 last night while keeping the same /home and figured that'd do at least something to fix it, but nope same problem
[17:06] <Gotolei> same for the whisker menu logout button
[17:07] <Gotolei> the command's called without any params and it still just immediately logs out without asking
[17:10] <Gotolei> found https://i.imgur.com/hwlJOmi.png
[17:11] <Gotolei> nice of that to be just tucked away so you have to dig for it :I
[17:24] <dreamon> having problem with thunar at startup. It take up to 30sec. till it pops up.
[17:24] <dreamon> using xubuntu 14.04
[19:15] <walrider> W: Failed to fetch http://mirror.dhakacom.com/ubuntu-archive/dists/trusty-security/universe/binary-i386/Packages  Hash Sum mismatch
[19:15] <walrider>       < when i run sudo apt-get update then i see this eror  how to fix it ??
[20:16] <Gotolei> ok, more fun
[20:17] <Gotolei> how does one get gtk2 themes that depend on pixbuf working in 16.04?
[20:17] <Gotolei> themes like vertex, adwaita
[20:18] <Gotolei> doesn't load the images, just this hideous solid blue
[20:22] <GeekDude> What's the latest version of Xubuntu that /doesn't/ require PAE?
[20:23] <GeekDude> My Xubuntu tablet (originally WinXP) seems to have crashed quite spectacularly and I'm looking to reformat it
[21:12] <GeekDude> seems forcepae works
[21:12] <GeekDude> And my wifi hardware is working in the latest 16.04 :D
[21:13] <adrian_1908> hello. I noticed that firefox has a new save file dialog with a different layout. Does anyone know if this is GTK3 stuff, or Mozilla stuff?


[02:06] <ske14> Thanks for adding me, godbyk.
[02:13] <godbyk> ske14: Thanks for volunteering!
[02:18] <ske14> godbyk: Do I grant barzaar.launchpad.net access to my private key?
[02:19] <godbyk> Can you paste the message it's giving you?
[02:23] <ske14>    	 	 	 	 	 	   sam@computer:~/Projects$ bzr branch lp:ubuntu-manual ubuntu-manual-trusty
[02:23] <ske14>  The authenticity of host 'bazaar.launchpad.net (<IP_ADDRESS>)' can't be established.
[02:23] <ske14>  RSA key fingerprint is - Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes
[02:23] <ske14>  Warning: Permanently added 'bazaar.launchpad.net,<IP_ADDRESS>' (RSA) to the list of known hosts.
[02:23] <ske14>  Agent admitted failure to sign using the key.
[02:23] <ske14>  Permission denied (publickey).
[02:23] <ske14>  ConnectionReset reading response for 'BzrDir.open_2.1', retrying
[02:23] <ske14>  Agent admitted failure to sign using the key.
[02:23] <ske14>  Permission denied (publickey).
[02:23] <ske14>  bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist.
[02:23] <ske14>
[02:24] <godbyk> ske14: Ah, okay. Have you uploaded your public key to Launchpad yet?
[02:25] <godbyk> ske14: Do you see your public key on this page? <https://launchpad.net/people/+me/+editsshkeys>
[02:25] <ske14> I do.
[02:26] <ske14> I canceled the procedure if that is what you think is wrong. I just feel weird about allowing this procedure without knowing what it does in particular.
[02:28] <godbyk> ske14: Have you run the 'bzr whoami 'and 'bzr launchpad-login' commands yet?
[02:29] <ske14> Both are correct.
[02:30] <godbyk> Hmm.. It sounds like it's an issue with your public key and Launchpad.
[02:30] <godbyk> Do you have multiple public keys?
[02:30] <godbyk> Have you used bzr and Launchpad before?
[02:33] <ske14> I have never used bzr, but I've used Launchpad in the past as a tool to connect with the Lubuntu Documentation team. But I did not have to use bzr for that project.
[02:33] <godbyk> You might also run 'ssh-add' and then try the bzr branch command again.
[02:35] <ske14> This time I went through, but it asked for my password, so that it can access to my private key. Do I give it my private key? Is my private key only used to identify whom it is giving it to and isn't recorded else where?
[02:35] <godbyk> When you created your keys (ssh-keygen), did you enter a password?
[02:36] <ske14> Yes. I was.
[02:36] <godbyk> Okay.
[02:37] <godbyk> In that case, it's asking for your password so it can access your keys. It's not giving your password to Launchpad.
[02:38] <ske14> And the private key won't be stored elsewhere nor is viewable to someone who could compromise my computer? These are newbie questions, I know. But I feel like it's necessary to ask.
[02:38] <godbyk> Nope, you're safe.
[02:39] <godbyk> You just uploaded your public key (id_rsa.pub) to Launchpad, not your private key.
[02:41] <ske14> So it's safe for brz to see my private key after I give it access?
[02:41] <godbyk> Since bzr is running on your computer, it's okay.
[02:43] <ske14> Ok, thank you for baring with me. :)
[02:46] <godbyk> ske14: No problem. The nice thing is that once you've got it done once, you don't have to worry about it anymore. :)
[02:52] <ske14> Ok TeX Live is compiling. Thanks for all the help. I look forward to contributing. :)
[02:53] <godbyk> Great! Let me know if you run into any problems or have any questions.
[02:55] <ske14> I will if I run into any trouble. :)
[17:17] <thorwil> godbyk: dang, how often must i make that mistake.
[17:17] <thorwil> looks like i managed to merge, commit, push, now
[19:33] <godbyk> thorwil: Which branch did you push the covers to? I'm still not seeing them on my end.
[19:34] <thorwil> godbyk: 13.10
[19:35] <godbyk> thorwil:  I don't see any recent commits from you here: <https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/saucy>
[19:36] <godbyk> thorwil: What's 'bzr info' report for you?
[19:37] <thorwil> *deity*, i'm useless today
[19:37]  * godbyk is glad to see he's not the only one who has days like that... many, many days like that...
[19:37] <thorwil> godbyk: rev 210 for real
[19:38] <godbyk> thorwil: Promises, promises!
[19:38] <godbyk> \o/  Now I see it. Thanks! :)
[19:40] <thorwil> if i ever get to design a file manager, it will have to have very obvious visual markers for repos with not yet pushed changes :)
[19:40] <godbyk> thorwil: That's a splendid idea!
[19:41] <godbyk> thorwil:  I have a script that prints the git branch name in my bash prompt. I bet something similar could be done to add an indicator that files haven't been committed/pushed in git or bzr.
[19:41] <godbyk> I know I've been bitten by the 'forgot to push' lapse, too.
[20:27] <ske14> godbyk: This Tex Live stuff isn't working out how I'd like it to. I removed it all because whatever I'm doing isn't working.
[20:28] <godbyk> ske14: What problems are you having?
[20:28] <godbyk> Were you using the Ubuntu texlive packages or the upstream TeX Live?
[20:39] <ske14> I was following "Installing Tex Live" instructions here: http://ubuntu-manual.org/getinvolved/authors#launchpad
[20:39] <ske14> My first issue was that I think it meant for me to install it into my package folder, so I did that after installing it on my downloads folder. But then after both failed, I did "sudo apt-get remove texlive-*" which did not detect anything besides unused packages, which I deleted. But nothing has solved my issue yet. Because whenever I run "~/Projects/ubuntu-manual-trusty/pkgs/install-pkgs.sh" I get error saying there's no Tex Live
[20:43] <ske14> I suppose another area that is gray is in number 6 -- the instructions aren't very specific, so this process might be where I get lost.
[20:45] <godbyk> ske14: You can download the tarball to your Downloads directory (which your browser will do automatically).
[20:45] <godbyk> ske14: Then you can run the commands in steps 3 through 5 from the Downloads directory.
[20:46] <godbyk> For the installation directory, you can leave that set as the default.
[20:46] <godbyk> Step 6 is walking you through the menu options in the installation program. I can help you through that if it's confusing.
[20:52] <ske14> OK -- I'm going to recompile the file. It takes a while to download.
[20:54] <ske14> godbyk: Wait, are you saying  "tar xvf install-tl-unx.tar.gz" should just work? What I've done -- was "cd [location of file]" and then extracted.
[20:55] <godbyk> If the .tar.gz file was downloaded to the Downloads folder, then the tar xvf command should work if you've 'cd ~/Downloads' first.
[20:55] <ske14> Ok, that produced a different result. Thank you. Maybe this was my issue.
[20:58] <ske14> godbyk: I'm at step six. Default installation location should be fine?
[21:00] <godbyk> ske14: Yep!
[21:00] <godbyk> ske14: Don't forget to follow the instructions in the yellow box, too.
[21:01] <ske14> godbyk: OK! Well, then I go to <O> and hit <L>. This is the next command available to me: 'New value for binary directory [/usr/local/bin]:'
[21:02] <godbyk> You can just hit Enter to accept the defaults.
[21:03] <ske14> godbyk: Ok, now it's installing. I will let you know the result. :)
[21:04] <godbyk> ske14: Cool! Good luck!
[22:00] <ske14> This is crazy. Now it says: "Done!  You should now be able to compile the Ubuntu manual!" :)
[22:20] <godbyk> ske14: Great!
[22:20] <godbyk> ske14: So now, you should be able to run 'make ubuntu-manual.pdf' to build the manual.
[22:20] <godbyk> Once it completes successfully, you should have an ubuntu-manual.pdf file.
[22:20] <ske14> godbyk: Well, that's my current issue.
[22:21] <godbyk> ske14: Are you seeing any error messages?
[22:22] <ske14> sam@user:~/Projects$ make ubuntu-manual.pdf
[22:22] <ske14> make: *** No rule to make target `ubuntu-manual.pdf'.  Stop.
[22:22] <godbyk> ske14: You need to be inside the ubuntu-manual directory to run make.
[22:23] <ske14> Hm. I do not see it in my projects folder.
[22:24] <ske14> oh
[22:24] <ske14> I'm in it. lol
[22:24] <godbyk> You're in the ~/Projects/ubuntu-manual-trusty/ folder?
[22:26] <ske14> Yes. Here's the current error.
[22:27] <ske14> godbyk: sam@user:~/Projects/ubuntu-manual-trusty$ make ubuntu-manual-LANG.pdf
[22:27] <ske14> basename: extra operand `frontmatter'
[22:27] <ske14> Try `basename --help' for more information.
[22:27] <ske14> bzr version-info --custom --template='\\revinfo{{revno}}{{date}}' > revision.tex
[22:27] <ske14> cp po/LANG.po po/LANG_org.po
[22:27] <ske14> cp: cannot stat `po/LANG.po': No such file or directory
[22:27] <ske14> make: *** [ubuntu-manual-LANG.tex] Error 1
[22:27] <ske14> godbyk: oh
[22:27] <ske14> godbyk: I got it to work. I fixed the command.
[22:28] <ske14> Ok -- found it.
[22:28] <godbyk> ske14: Ah, great!
[22:28] <godbyk> Running 'make' with no arguments will also generate the ubuntu-manual.pdf file by default.
[22:29] <ske14> Yeah, that's what seemed to be the issue!
[22:29] <ske14> Well, I have quite a bit of work to look at. Thank you for all your help. :)
[22:30] <godbyk> ske14: No problem. I'm glad you got it up and running. Please don't hesitate to ping me if you have any questions or encounter and problems.
[22:30] <ske14> Sure will. I'm on all the email lists then too? I just subscribed to the one that was on the Launchpad.
[22:31] <godbyk> If you subscribed to the ubuntu-manual mailing list through the Launchpad page, then you'll get emails from that list.
[22:32] <godbyk> And you can email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to send messages to that list.
[22:40] <ske14> Ok, added that to my contacts. Thanks!
[22:41] <godbyk> ske14: :)
[22:41]  * godbyk is now off to do some chores. :-(


[21:03] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue741 up for review and final edits: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue741 .
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[02:45] <zerl> hello guys, do i need to download java?
[02:47] <Myrtti> this isn't the support channel - see /topic
[02:48] <zerl> ive been reading the psychocats.net and following steps by steps since im a new user to this OS... but the instructions is for 7.10 and im using 8
[02:48] <Myrtti> zerl: support is at #ubuntu
[02:49] <zerl> so this channel is for what?
[02:49] <zerl> ok thanx
[03:03] <num1> Just how many #ubuntu-X channels are there?
[03:04] <num1> When moving to a channel such as #ubuntu-es and #ubuntu-tr locobot_1 contacts you but the string is not localized, so someone who didn' know english wouldn't know to go to the rules of conduct page
[06:56] <cypherdelic> How to fix a not wanted autostart-programm, that has been added through "autostart current running processes" and do not appear under Autostart in Session??? How do i get rid of this cairo-dock-settings-dialog, please?
[07:03] <coolbhavi> cypherdelic, hello go to #ubuntu please
[07:04] <cypherdelic> right, did that sry for bugging
[07:05] <coolbhavi> cypherdelic, no problems
[10:34] <bobbo> Hey, i just got accepted for membership, could i get an Ubuntu cloak?
[10:42] <Ekushey> bobbo, you need to ask PriceChild for that
[10:42] <bobbo> Ekushey: ok thanks :)
[10:42] <Ekushey> when did you get the approval?
[10:42] <bobbo> this morning
[10:44] <Ekushey> did you get added to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntumembers already?
[10:45] <bobbo> Ekushey: im an idirect member to it (im a u-u-c)
[10:45] <bobbo> but yeah, I've been added
[10:46] <Ekushey> great, then ask PriceChild when he's available and he'll do it for you
[10:46] <Ekushey> and congrats! :)
[10:46] <bobbo> Ekushey: ok and thanks alot :)
[10:46] <Ekushey> you're most welcome, bobbo :)
[11:15] <jpds> Ekushey: Price.Child, or any other member of the IRC council.
[11:21] <Ekushey> jpds, oh ok... i thought only PriceChild had the authority
[11:21] <jpds> Ekushey: He's useful because as a member of staff he has the power of applying cloaks without asking staff.
[13:05] <PriceChild> bobbo: could you give your launchpad url please?
[13:06] <bobbo> PriceChild: http://launchpad.net/~bobbo
[13:08] <PriceChild> bobbo: done
[13:08] <bobbo> PriceChild: thanks alot :D


[07:41]  * PaulW2U counts summaries - 2 done - 10 to do
[21:38]  * PaulW2U counts summaries - 6 to do


[10:43] <LocutusOfBorg> hi folks, did anybody had a change to look at libsdl2 sync I did for xenial?
[13:18] <flexiondotorg> wxl, phillw I heard a rumour Lubuntu are doing something with Mir.
[13:18] <flexiondotorg> Is that for LXDE or LXQt or both?
[16:02] <wxl> flexiondotorg: working with mir is news to me. where did you hear this?
[21:35] <flexiondotorg> wxl, It was a throw away remark I saw in #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-desktop earlier today.
[21:35] <flexiondotorg> Redaring libsdl2 and an initial merge that drop Mir support.
[21:35] <wxl> hm
[21:35] <flexiondotorg> *Regarding
[21:35] <flexiondotorg> If not, fine.
[21:36] <flexiondotorg> Just sounded interesting and I was interested in playing too.
[21:36] <wxl> yeah, no sorry. if i find out anything i'll let you know
[21:36] <wxl> i might be interested in mir but i'm still of the bindest it's going to fade in the shadow of wayland


[12:09] <Fujitsu> This is a bit not good.
[12:10] <kbrooks> ?
[12:13] <Fujitsu> If the media get hold of this...
[12:18] <mordof> why didn't they put encryption on it??
[12:19] <Fujitsu> d-i records all of the answers in the answers file. Raw.
[12:20] <Fujitsu> However, fixes have been released.
[12:20] <Fujitsu> 8 hours between bug report and fix. Pretty good, I think.
[01:03] <Eleaf> Fujitsu, where are the fixes?
[01:05] <Fujitsu> Eleaf, breezy-security, I believe.
[01:06] <Eleaf> hmm
[01:06] <Eleaf> I haven't noticed the update
[01:07] <Fujitsu> Strange.
[01:26] <FunnyLookinHat> Sure, it's good that they fixed that quickly.  But to have that at all??  wow,
[01:37] <Fujitsu> It was an oversight in Breezy only that appeared in the release, and apparently wasn't in the preview... Very interesting.
[01:40] <FunnyLookinHat> I think it's things such as this that make me feel the same way as mark shuttleworth on the proposed 6week extension
[01:45] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[01:45] <Fujitsu> Exactly.
[01:45] <Fujitsu> Polish.
[01:45] <Fujitsu> Breezy was rushed!
[01:51] <FunnyLookinHat> I can't wait for dapper   ^_^
[01:56] <Stormx2> Well you'll have to
[01:56] <Stormx2> and an extra 6 weeks by the looks of things
[01:56] <Kyral> It will be worth it :D
[01:56] <Stormx2> :P ah ha
[01:56] <Kyral> Oh wait...
[01:56] <Kyral> my desktop already runs Dapper :P
[01:57] <Eleaf> lol
[01:57] <Stormx2> I say they just release dapper on 20th april as a "semi-release", then the fully fledged dapper drake 6 weeks later, if thats what mr. shuttleworth things is necessery
[01:57] <Kyral> It just needs a clean reinstall from all the crap I do to it lol
[01:57] <Eleaf> lol.
[01:59] <Whatsisname> I just want gnome 2.14 lol
[02:01] <Whatsisname> one of these days I need to plead with the ubuntu designers to include a feature I think would be really awesome
[02:07] <Fujitsu> What is said feature?
[02:07] <Fujitsu> I've been running Dapper here since Flight 3, and it's been absolutely stable...
[02:07] <Whatsisname> modifiy the kernel to allow for dual legged machines
[02:08] <Kyral> ...
[02:08] <Whatsisname> two keyboards, two mice, two video cards, with one box
[02:08] <Whatsisname> two workstations on a single machine
[02:08] <Kyral> KVM?
[02:08] <Whatsisname> no, not kvm
[02:08] <Whatsisname> run two instances of X
[02:08] <Fujitsu> multiseat?
[02:09] <Whatsisname> one on each set of kvm
[02:09] <Whatsisname> yeah multiseat i suppose is another way to describe it
[02:09] <Fujitsu> It can be done pretty easily.
[02:09] <Fujitsu> Using the multiseat package.
[02:10] <Whatsisname> i've tried it before and it was wonky as hell
[02:10] <Whatsisname> maybe they've lately fixed it but I haven't heard of it yet
[02:10] <Fujitsu> OK.
[02:10] <Fujitsu> I've heard of people using it, on #ubuntu./
[02:10] <Whatsisname> i also know theres commercial packages
[02:11] <Whatsisname> it also usually has problems when you aren't in X
[02:12] <Whatsisname> there was once a kernel patch for 2.4 that worked great but nothing for 2.6
[06:00] <andrewPCT> blist
[06:00] <andrewPCT> arr
[06:00] <andrewPCT> woops
[08:29] <BlueT_> expecting the meeting tomorrow.... :)
[11:01] <RAPIST> !rape
[11:01] <Project318> me2
[11:01] <RAPIST> no
[11:02] <RAPIST> so lets talk about dapper
[11:02] <RAPIST> is it filled with porn?
[11:02] <Ju> ?
[11:02] <RAPIST> huh
[11:02] <RAPIST> what?
[11:02] <dholbach> RAPIST: please find another channel to talk about that.
[11:03] <RAPIST> wat u say?
[11:03] <RAPIST> oh
[11:03] <RAPIST> ok
[11:03] <RAPIST> sorry
[11:03] <dholbach> Thanks.
[11:03] <cached> Will there be a meeting at a different time?
[11:03] <Ju> cached: /topic
[11:03] <Seveas> cached, please see the topic for meeting times
[11:04] <Seveas> and please keep quiet in here when there is no meeting - it clutters up the logs
[11:04] <cached> What is meant by Technical Board?
[11:04] <Seveas> cached, http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/techboard
[11:05] <cached> Thank you, Seveas
[11:12] <leon_b> exit
[11:15] <ReadTopicForTime> "<leon_b> exit" well that was interesting


[02:21] <zakame> good morning
[02:23] <Hobbsee> morning zakame
[02:23] <Hobbsee> hey praetor
[02:23] <praetor> morning Hobbsee
[02:23] <praetor> is it really morning over there? :P
[02:24] <Hobbsee> er, sort of
[02:25] <Hobbsee> it's breakfast time, that's for sure
[02:27] <zakame> morning Hobbsee, praetor :)
[02:27] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:30] <manchicken> This windows 386 video is almost the most popular post on my site.
[02:30] <manchicken> And it's not even that old.
[02:31] <manchicken> It's only 12 hours old, already has 135 views.
[02:31] <manchicken> That's more than one view every 6 minutes.
[05:23] <rideout> I've been having problems with the latest updates to fiesty, klauncher is all messed up
[05:23] <rideout> what can I do to help people diagnose the problem?
[05:23] <PaGuX> hello
[05:24] <rideout> PaGuX: hey
[05:24] <PaGuX> my xorg is taking 80 % cpu utilization
[05:24] <PaGuX> hi rideout
[05:24] <PaGuX> is it abnormal ?
[05:25] <PaGuX> i have nvidea grahic card installed
[05:25] <PaGuX> gforce 512 mb
[05:26] <PaGuX> but why o why xorg is taking so much cpu
[05:27] <rideout> PaGuX: do you have a bunch of gui programs running?
[05:28] <PaGuX> normal stuff browser , knoqueror , kpackge etc
[05:29] <PaGuX> PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
[05:29] <PaGuX>  5474 root      15   0 89180  52m 3884 R   82  2.6 216:28.34 Xorg
[05:29] <PaGuX> 18907 gp        16   0  244m 112m  23m S   15  5.6   9:22.47 firefox-bin
[05:29] <PaGuX> 18904 gp        15   0 32128  16m  12m S    1  0.8   0:03.66 konsole
[05:29] <PaGuX>     1 root      16   0  1632  120   68 S    0  0.0   0:01.15 init
[05:29] <PaGuX>     2 root      RT   0     0    0    0 S    0  0.0   0:00.01 migration/0
[05:29] <PaGuX>     3 root      34  19     0    0    0 S    0  0.0   0:00.00 ksoftirqd/0
[05:29] <PaGuX>     4 root      RT   0     0    0    0 S    0  0.0   0:00.00 watchdog/0
[05:29] <PaGuX>     8 root      10  -5     0    0    0 S    0  0.0   0:01.39 events/0
[05:29] <PaGuX> it seems linux uses more resources that winXP !!
[05:32] <PaGuX> is it a bug ?
[01:01] <praetor> hi Hobbsee
[01:03] <praetor> battlestar galactica
[01:03] <Hobbsee> ahhhhh
[01:58] <toma> hi
[01:58] <Hobbsee> hey toma!
[01:59] <toma> hey Hobbsee, how's life?
[02:02] <Hobbsee> toma: good.  i keep seeing/hearing from  the police though
[02:03] <toma> o oh, what did you do ?
[02:03] <toma> poke someone for real?
[02:03] <Hobbsee> nope
[02:03] <Hobbsee> they're not wanting to arrest me - just some guys bought sparklers and an aerosol can from work yesterday - made a lovely bomb with it
[02:03] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Have you been hacking more than code with more than emacs? :P
[02:04] <manchicken> Ooh, I used to make those when I was a kid.
[02:04] <manchicken> Were they magnesium sparklers?
[02:04] <Hobbsee> manchicken: dunno,  standard ones for cakes and stuff
[02:04] <Hobbsee> manchicken: hrm?  :P
[02:04] <manchicken> The super-bright ones...
[02:05] <manchicken> I wonder if there's a dialect thing going on... I'm unaware of sparklers that you'd put on a cake?
[02:05] <manchicken> Is this like the cookies vs. biscuits thing?  heh
[02:05] <Hobbsee> could well be
[02:05] <manchicken> Were they like candles?
[02:06] <Hobbsee> http://www.crakephoto.com/albums/fireworks2003/images/IMG_2200-Sparklers.jpg
[02:06] <manchicken> Gotcha.
[02:06] <Hobbsee> http://www.austinrocky.org/phire/sparklers.jpg
[02:06] <manchicken> We're thinking the same thing.
[02:06] <Hobbsee> er, not the second one
[02:06] <manchicken> I used to make bombs with those and throw them in corn fields.
[02:06] <Hobbsee> yep
[02:06] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:06] <manchicken> Quite fun.
[02:06] <Hobbsee> im sure they are - as long as they dont hurt me, or anyone else :P
[02:07] <manchicken> But I would have never put one of those on a cake.
[02:07] <manchicken> Okay, so they weren't the second one (those were just four zoomed in really close)
[02:07] <Hobbsee> nope, sorry
[02:07] <manchicken> So they were smaller ones.
[02:07] <Hobbsee> yep
[02:07] <manchicken> How would you make a bomb with those?  Jam 'em in the nozzle?
[02:08] <manchicken> Wouldn't be very reliable or give you much time to run....
[02:08] <manchicken> The magnesium ones will burn hot enough to melt through the can and catch the propellant...  the ones you're talking about don't sound like they'd burn that hot.
[02:08] <Hobbsee> aerosol cans are flammable.
[02:09] <Hobbsee> dunno
[02:09] <Hobbsee> oh, it was 10 packs of sparklers.  multiple ones in each pack, of course
[02:09] <manchicken> Yeah, but you gotta get the stuff out quick enough to cause pressure, or it's just a fireball... not a bomb.
[02:09] <manchicken> Me and my buddies used to blow stuff up in corn fields all the time.
[02:09] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure exactly what it was - they didnt say much
[02:09] <manchicken> Good fun.
[02:09] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:09] <manchicken> Did the kids hurt anybody?
[02:09] <Hobbsee> dunno
[02:10] <Hobbsee> hopefully themselves :P
[02:10] <manchicken> Naw, as long as they're not hurting anybody and they clean up their mess, bombs can be fun.
[02:10] <Hobbsee> although, they were smart enough to all go to different lines when buying equipment, and to pay with cash, not a card.
[02:10] <Hobbsee> except if it's in a public place or something, yeah
[02:10] <manchicken> How many kids do you know who pay with card?
[02:10] <Hobbsee> most of them
[02:10] <manchicken> Really?
[02:10] <Hobbsee> debit or credit cards
[02:10] <Hobbsee> sure
[02:10] <manchicken> That's interesting.
[02:11] <Hobbsee> debit cards are common here - really common
[02:11] <manchicken> Plastic is still hard for the kiddos around here.
[02:11] <manchicken> Yeah, I like the debit cards.
[02:12] <manchicken> I've got one of each as well.
[02:12] <manchicken> My wife has 2 credit cards though.
[02:12] <Hobbsee> credit card is purple - woo!
[02:12] <manchicken> Ooh.  Dacia's has flowers ^_^
[02:12] <manchicken> That card of hers looks prettier than it is valuable ^_^
[02:13] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:13] <manchicken> Dacia and I are gonna go house shopping today.
[02:15] <Hobbsee> nice!
[02:16] <manchicken> We're right now in the heart of the south side of Chicago (7-8 Million people)
[02:16] <manchicken> We're looking to move to a small town with 0.1% of that population ^_^
[02:16] <Hobbsee> nice
[02:16] <Hobbsee> eep
[02:17] <manchicken> The town we'll be looking in today is projected to have 7,955 people as of July 2005.
[02:17] <Hobbsee> nice
[02:18] <toma> manchicken: if they all show up for a bbq, you will not think of it as a 'small city'
[02:19] <manchicken> toma: I'd think it's a small city compared to what it would look like if all of my current city showed up for a bbq ^_^
[02:19] <manchicken> Can you imagine what 8 million people grouped together would look like?
[02:19] <manchicken> That'd be like a sea of people.
[02:20] <manchicken> I wonder how you'd measure that in km^2
[02:20] <toma> hmm yes, that's a lot of live cd's indeed
[02:20] <manchicken> Some neat statistics: http://www.city-data.com/city/Manteno-Illinois.html
[02:20] <manchicken> No murders since 1999
[02:21] <manchicken> heh
[02:21] <manchicken> Crime statistics are fun.
[02:22] <manchicken> They're doing them in per-100K people... so since the town has under 8K people, they have to multiply the crime rate.  heh
[02:45] <Hobbsee> because it needs some more work
[03:25] <bddebian> Howdy
[07:28] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[07:30] <dinosaur-rus> I'd like to suggest a "cleanup" feature for Adept -- remove redundant packages (packages that are not referenced by other installed packages)
[08:49] <jjesse> afternoon :) :)
[08:53] <kwwii> seele: sorry for not responding till now. a presentation is in kde svn... playground/artwork/Oxygen/Presentation/presentation_2.pdf
[08:53] <kwwii> of course the icons are there too ;-)
[09:12] <seele> kwwii: cool
[09:20] <jjesse> anything fun hapening today?
[09:22] <nixternal> I see that Basket became the default notes for Kubuntu
[09:22] <jjesse> nice
[09:22] <nixternal> I guess good choice, and thanks for having the examples in there so I can figure out how to go about using it wisely
[09:23] <nixternal> kwwii: make a good Basket Notes icon :) rip a killer one!
[09:54] <seele> kwwii: who is ruphy?
[10:02] <Lure> nixternal: not default, as it is still in universe
[10:02] <Lure> nixternal: but useful for power note takers ;-)
[10:38] <jjesse> kwwii: do you have a minute?
[10:52] <kwwii> seele: a young italian kid helping out on oxygen (mainly coding)
[10:52] <kwwii> jjesse: sure, but I am going to bed in about a minute ;-)
[10:53] <jjesse> kwwii: i'm working on updating the kubuntu chpt for the official book, when does artwork for feisty get to a spot that i can do screenshots?
[10:53] <kwwii> jjesse: good question :-)
[10:53] <kwwii> jjesse: probably not for another week or so
[10:53] <jjesse> kwwii: just getting some pushback from the editor at prentince hall
[10:53] <kwwii> jjesse: but I am not planning on changing that much to begin with
[10:54] <kwwii> mainly minor tweaks, nothing major
[10:54] <jjesse> kwwii: so should i tell them to wait a week or just start w/ the latest herd?
[10:54] <kwwii> they could wait a week, but honestly, nothing is going to change that much
[10:55] <jjesse> ok then i will start screenshotting things this week
[10:56] <kwwii> cool, I'll let you know if anything changes enough to make a difference
[10:56] <jjesse> thanks kwwii
[10:56] <kwwii> if you look at the release schedule you'll see the artwork deadlines
[10:56] <kwwii> (that I made up)
[10:56] <kwwii> np
[10:57] <kwwii> going to sleep now...see everyone tomorrow
[10:57] <jjesse> l8ter
[11:34] <nixternal> Lure: I didn't install it that I know of, and my KNotes are gone now
[12:12] <Lure> nixternal: that is strange - basket is for sure in universe...
[12:12] <nixternal> ya, it just popped back up after recent updates
[12:12] <nixternal> and my KNotes is now gone
[12:14] <Lure> nixternal: strange - I have basket installed, but knotes are still in kontact (I just do not use them)
[12:14] <nixternal> Lure: hahahaha, I am a moron!
[12:15] <nixternal> I am using the Oxygen icons and the new icon is different, so I looked past it
[12:15] <nixternal> ;)
[12:15] <Lure> ;-)
[12:15] <nixternal> wow, I feel stupid after that one
[12:15] <nixternal> well nonetheless, the latest Basket looks nice, and I like the examples in it


[00:25] <keir> AlanBell: quite a lot slower, I'm booting off an SSD
[00:26] <keir> AlanBell: I did a bootchart and it seems (if I'm reading it right) to have lots of idle time
[00:42] <diddledan> keir: try looking through `dmesg` output on a freshly booted instance to see if there are any timeouts or other errors during bootup
[08:02] <knightwise> hey everyone
[08:16] <foobarry> morning
[08:26] <knightwise> hey foobarry
[08:26] <knightwise> how are you
[08:32] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:32] <knightwise> hey MartijnVdS  !
[08:32]  * MartijnVdS h4x0red his TV
[08:32] <MartijnVdS> factory service menu++
[08:37] <knightwise> MartijnVdS: Nice :)
[08:38] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: it thinks it was bought in the UK now, and it offers me "real" FreeSat menus and everything
[08:38] <knightwise> i'm currently working on installing Plex on my media server so I can stream music from anywhere
[08:38] <MartijnVdS> red button service, too
[08:38] <knightwise> =-) H@X0rrrrr
[08:39] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: nah, it's 3 "normal" buttons to get from "off" to "service menu"
[08:39] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: then a press of the "factory" button (which isn't on normal remotes, yay Logitech Harmony)
[08:40] <MartijnVdS> and then you just select the country you want, and do a factory reset
[08:42] <MartijnVdS> And you need a UK postcode so it knows which "local" channels to use when there are options 8-)
[08:42] <knightwise> hahah :) awesome
[08:42] <MartijnVdS> but those aren't hard to come by
[09:13] <foobarry> lol
[09:51] <dwatkins> W12 8QT
[09:53] <dwatkins> or the BBC's Wood Lane site: W12 7RJ
[10:03] <Laney> 0181 811 8181
[10:23] <foobarry> my tablet started doing the insufficient space error installing new app , ebeneven whwen thgerebis loads of space..annoying
[10:29] <dwatkins> doesn't Android have two kinds of storage?
[10:29] <dwatkins> my phone would run out of internal space, so I moved apps to the SD card.
[10:42] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:57] <MartijnVdS> \o
[10:57] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: I used the one of my last hotel :)
[10:58] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: modern android fixed that by putting everything on one partition, so moving apps won't really help
[10:59] <brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS
[11:58] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: ah ok, I'm still on Gingerbread.
[12:05] <foobarry> i have cm10
[12:05] <foobarry> kind of fixed it now bymoving appas around
[12:06] <foobarry> bit annoying that android ,in trying to make things esier  ,makes things worse
[12:06]  * brobostigon is a cm11 man, :)
[12:09] <foobarry> theres elf bowling the movie?
[12:10] <foobarry> i have a touchpad, cm11 rather breaky,i heard
[12:11] <brobostigon> it works very well on my nexus7.
[12:11] <foobarry> i bet
[12:13] <dwatkins> cm7.2
[13:02] <foobarry> ubuntu noticed on bbc click today
[13:02] <foobarry> in the robnot segmemt
[13:21] <popey> Good morning.
[13:23] <foobarry> hello
[13:28] <nigelb> popey: I'll be visiting your kingdom *cough* city in Jan. :)
[13:34] <popey> huzzah
[13:44] <foobarry> i never met someone whjo paid for extra birds in angry birds
[13:47] <popey> did you see the article about where's my water?
[13:47] <popey> http://appadvice.com/appnn/2013/12/following-player-backlash-disney-removes-energy-system-in-wheres-my-water-2
[13:51] <foobarry> that wasd hard to read
[13:52] <popey> first article I found, probably better written ones available
[13:52]  * popey updates his firefoxos phone
[13:53] <foobarry> crawls into bed for power nap
[13:53] <popey> heh
[13:54] <popey> given this is *firefox* OS.. how did the browser become so terrible on it
[14:27] <foobarry> back in the land of living
[14:27] <foobarry> put in a 6 hr parenting shift this morning
[14:28] <foobarry> gave milk to my son which was three days out of date.woops
[14:35] <foobarry> can anyone recommend a good bluetooth keybaord foir my tablet?
[14:35] <foobarry> cheaper is btter
[14:40] <AlanBell> I can see you need a new one ;)
[14:40] <AlanBell> what tablet? for the nexus 7 there is a really nice one that clips to it
[14:42] <foobarry> hhpp touchpad, but future proofy
[14:42]  * MartijnVdS has a "Minix Neo X7"
[14:42] <foobarry> typing over a screen session on connectbot is faily
[14:42] <MartijnVdS> I wonder how customizable it is
[14:42] <foobarry> martijn, isnt that a android device?
[14:42] <foobarry> the x5 sucks
[14:43] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: it is, but it seems like a very hacky version to me
[14:45] <foobarry> think ill buy the hp one. £20 on ebay, good reputation
[14:51] <foobarry> hmm no ctrl or esc key
[14:59] <foobarry> MartijnVdS: remember we were talking about leaky car?
[15:00] <foobarry> my wife said it had been streaming in through the windscreen. i think the rubber had receded right at teh top behind the windscreen seal. time for sugru action
[15:00] <foobarry> but the car will not dry out for long time methinks. its soaked in there
[15:04] <foobarry> http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/internet-uproar-erupts-after-pr-woman-for-media-firm-tweets
[15:04] <foobarry> woops
[15:12] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: leaky windscreen? that'll take a *lot* of sugru to fix
[15:16] <foobarry> just a teeny bit above the top corner
[15:17] <foobarry> i've fixed with a little bit of duct tape atm
[15:18] <foobarry> its a little cavity behind the windscrene and where the roof t-bar ends
[15:19] <DJones> foobarry: Just saw your comment about keyboards for N7 I've just got one of these for my mother-in-law as a christmas present for her N7 http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00FASJ4B8/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[15:21] <DJones> Seemed quite good, keyboard attaches inside the case with velco so you can use the case purely as a case, or with the keyboard, although as far as I can see it is only compatible with the 2013 N7
[15:21] <foobarry> wow thats a nice price
[15:21] <foobarry> i just clicked buy on a hp one on the eebay
[15:21] <foobarry> thanks, if i had a n7 i would buythat
[15:22] <foobarry> "synthetic leather"
[15:22] <foobarry> i wonder whats not comaptible
[15:23] <DJones> I'm not sure, I'd double check but I've just wrapped it this morning, I'm sure the instructions mentioned it, and I think one of the reviews comments on it somewhere
[15:47] <shauno> wow, talk about awkward translations.  re the christmas naughty/nice traditions, "if you are good, jesus will bring you sweets.  if you're bad, a black man will beat you".  there really seems to be no good english translation of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chort
[15:50] <shauno> I've suggested the less descriptive 'a demon'.  because there's no way someone's going to read the original the right way
[16:15] <foobarry> folk christian is misleading too
[16:16] <foobarry> doesn't have any judeao christian basis
[16:17] <foobarry> can't believe i have to walk the dog in this weather
[16:17] <foobarry> maybe she will turn around after 5 minute
[16:40] <foobarry> horlicks and stollen mmm
[16:45] <directhex> Ye Olde SteamOSe second version released! New bugfixes and dual boot. http://directhex.github.io/steamos-installer/
[16:46] <sebsebseb> hi
[17:24] <daftykins> directhex: nice work, i'm surprised they made such restrictions for it
[17:52] <shauno> I was going to ask if you still need seeders, but that came down in 34 seconds
[17:54] <directhex> i'll ask tollef for download stats later
[18:51] <ali1234> my ratio is at 6
[18:51] <ali1234> but i can't even reach the trackers
[18:58] <MooDoo> evening all
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> \o MooDoo
[18:58] <MooDoo> :)
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> Horizon about comet ISON on BBC Four
[19:00] <MooDoo> got strictly on in our house :S
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: aww :)
[19:01] <daftykins> MooDoo: rebel!
[19:01] <daftykins> i couldn't handle such drivel
[19:01] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: hence his irc presence, I guess? ;)
[19:01] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: it doesn't protect the ears :(
[19:01] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: headphones exist
[19:02] <daftykins> if anyone's interested in a short read about the original Casio G-Shock watches, i was forwarded this a while ago: https://www.dropbox.com/s/eqa92jp8giql8cu/Casio.pdf
[19:21] <directhex> ali1234, i'd welcome any suggestions for tcp open trackers for next time
[19:31] <ali1234> if there are any they are probably blocked to me anyway
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: you didn't ask your ISP for the internet *with* porn?
[19:33] <ali1234> i don't pay for the server
[19:33] <ali1234> it's at hetzner
[19:36] <ali1234> it actually looks a lot like hetzner is banned at the tracker end
[19:39] <shauno> which tracker?  mine's on hetzner too
[19:41] <ali1234> tracker.publicbt.com
[19:41] <ali1234> tracker.openbittorrent.com
[19:41] <ali1234> mtr gets all the way to the last hop then nothing
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> maybe I should put my 100/100 fibre to good use? :)
[19:43] <shauno> hm, I can reach them both fine (and mtr to both is clean, with the second-last hop being rrbone.net in both cases); http://cl.ly/image/2z25373G1n07
[19:43] <ali1234> well, it isn't my firewall
[19:44] <ali1234> and it isn't rtorrent
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> maybe it's your history with hetzner? ;)
[19:44] <shauno> just adding a datapoint since mine's on hetzner too (I know some things have blocked hetzner flat-out, so it was worth checking)
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> i.e. the number of complaints they've received
[19:44] <ali1234> yeah efnet totally blocks hetzner
[19:48] <daftykins> i can't even get the Hetzner homepage
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: "Thanks, Cameron"
[19:50] <daftykins> huh?
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: oh Americans like to go "Thanks, Obama" about everything he has (not) done
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: didn't Cameron push some kind of "block ALL the things" filtering?
[19:50] <daftykins> oh i'm not interested in politics.
[19:50] <daftykins> especially neither government having much bearing on my own
[19:50] <daftykins> well i'm not in England sir
[19:51] <daftykins> so their jurisdiction doth not apply
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> ah yes you're on the islands
[19:51] <daftykins> :)
[19:51]  * MartijnVdS might pay those a visit this summer
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> *will
[19:52] <daftykins> :D
[19:52] <daftykins> let me know if you do!
[19:55] <SuperMatt> oooh, my s3 has updated and now the email app doesn't make me want to kill myself \o/
[19:55] <daftykins> 4.3?
[19:56] <SuperMatt> yup
[19:58] <daftykins> neat, i'd been waiting to see the arrival of that on my clients two SGS3s
[19:59] <daftykins> just bought BioShock Infinite on the Steam sale, wow it runs well despite my 6 year old PC (with a slightly newer graphics card)
[19:59] <daftykins> i can run 1920x1200 + ultra detail :O
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> Yes.. I have a ticket for the Jersey Opera House on July 26 \o/
[19:59] <daftykins> ooh what's on there?
[19:59] <SuperMatt> keep your eyes on the roof
[19:59] <daftykins> roof? :)
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: http://www.jerseyoperahouse.co.uk/show/an-evening-with-nerina-pallot/
[19:59] <daftykins> ah your fave femme again
[19:59] <SuperMatt> daftykins: it's a very poor taste joke
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: the roof of the Apollo in London collapsed
[20:00] <daftykins> oh right
[20:00] <daftykins> i had not heard of that
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: is it possible to take the car across from France to the channel islands?
[20:01] <daftykins> yes sir, condorferries.co.uk sail from St. Malo
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> I need to wait a few months to book then 8-)
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> "Sailings available up to 24 March"
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> oh 2015
[20:02] <daftykins> :D
[20:02] <daftykins> hate sites that don't sort out the www. issue
[20:02] <daftykins> i told them about it once but obviously they do not care
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> chrome sort-of fixed it
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> only one extra click
[20:03] <daftykins> :>
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> OK.. I'm going to have to plan a trip through France soon then ;)
[20:08] <daftykins> exciting!
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: yeah :)
[20:10] <daftykins> alas i am on Guernsey so it might be a fair bit more expensive for you to island hop
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: I don't know if Jersey has a week's worth of sights to see though
[20:16] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[20:16] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: hmm i don't know it that well, when we spent a weekend over there we went to see the Zoo and the underground hospital, which were neat
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: I'm going to figure out my travel schedule/routes soon :)
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> heh, Google Maps pegman has a christmas het
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> hat
[21:01]  * AlanBell wonders if Myrtti has seen the knitting google doodle
[22:01] <Myrtti> AlanBell: yes
[22:54] <shauno> daftykins: I always find it entertaining that nasa.gov still requires the www. prefix.  of all people.
[22:59] <shauno> I remember reading a whole blog article there about why it's still the case, but I can never find it again.  'www' makes a very poor search term
[23:01] <directhex> some old school sysadmins are obsessive about it
[23:01] <directhex> oxford uni was like that
[23:02] <directhex> i had complaints when my subdomain didn't force www
[23:02] <penguin42> shauno: I would point out that nasa is concerned with a lot more than the *world* in www
[23:03] <shauno> I just think it's an interesting example because we tend to see that behaviour and consider it broken
[23:06] <shauno> ah, found it!  simple answer . they can't afford it?  http://blogs.nasa.gov/nasadotgov/2011/05/31/post_1306860816073/
[23:24] <penguin42> I guess the DNS change is easy but then someone would have to spend sometime testing any larger change - I'm not sure if I believe there is a need to add more servers
[23:33]  * AlanBell upgrades a computer to trusty
[23:45] <penguin42> all good on this one
[23:54] <salimfadhley> nickserv identify nougat
[23:56] <penguin42> salimfadhley: Tell me you didn't just change it to caramel
[23:58] <daftykins> penguin42: XD


[09:35] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Friday, and happy Doodle Day! 😃
[15:57] <totokaka> I suppose this is the best place for asking about packaging for Ubuntu? I have a nodejs app that installs as a system wide daemon. It does not use a Makefile, so I'm having a very hard time finding out how to properly pack it as a deb package. Where can I find resources for this?
[16:28] <dobey> totokaka: #ubuntu-packaging would be better. this channel is more oriented towards app development using the SDK
[16:29] <totokaka> Ahh, nice. I guess I missed that channel while looking over the list of ubuntu channels.
[22:50] <dbilovd> appdevs
[22:51] <dbilovd> Please I am having this problem: "This application failed to start because it could not find or load the Qt platform plugin "xcb"."
[22:51] <dbilovd> Can anyone help me out


[02:07] <dbm> #ubuntu-motu
[02:08] <KM0201> whats ubuntu-motu?
[02:09] <KM0201> dbm: ?
[02:09] <dbm> KM0201
[02:09] <dbm> wanted to join
[02:09] <dbm> and missclicked
[02:09] <dbm> sorry
[02:10] <KM0201> oh... what is that channel?
[02:10] <dbm> ubuntu upcoming releases, or development channel
[02:10] <dbm> everything whats working on
[02:10] <dbm> should be released..
[02:10] <dbm> and that
[02:13] <KM0201> oh
[02:17]  * phillw may the good Lord have mercy upon the soul who wanders into MOTU territory :)
[02:18] <KM0201> lol
[02:38] <pmatulis>  /aw
[04:04] <diytto> I need help with my usb, lubuntu mounts it, but i cannot view a directory in it
[04:04] <diytto> i get an input/ouput error
[04:06] <diytto> !help
[04:06] <diytto> :/
[04:14] <pmatulis> diytto: maybe pastebin the messages that get appended to kernel.log when you plug it in
[04:14] <diytto> pmatulis: okay hold on
[04:16] <diytto> pmatulis: how do i view the messages?
[04:18] <pmatulis> diytto: unmount the device; unplug the device; command: 'sudo tail -f /var/log/kernel.log'; plug in device
[04:18] <pmatulis> diytto: should be 'kern.log'
[04:20] <pmatulis> diytto: also, turn on routing: 'sudo sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1'; then edit /etc/sysctl.conf to make it permanent
[04:20] <pmatulis> diytto: sorry, wrong channel  :0
[04:20] <diytto> http://pastie.org/private/00wy7iwznbo1ymujnakiua
[04:20] <diytto> its ok
[04:21] <diytto> pmatulis: there is log
[04:21] <diytto> http://pastie.org/private/o5zu8wp3xfg1lcuvmdiggq
[04:21] <diytto> there is the full log
[04:21] <diytto> :P
[04:22] <diytto> from mount to now
[04:22] <pmatulis> diytto: there you go.  your device is buggered
[04:22] <diytto> ._.
[04:22] <diytto> how can i fix it
[04:23] <pmatulis> diytto: can you format it?  what's on there?
[04:23] <diytto> i DO NOT want to remove the folder
[04:23] <diytto> i would rather not format it
[04:23] <diytto> :/
[04:23] <diytto> its m flashcard for my nds
[04:23] <diytto> it has all my roms
[04:23] <pmatulis> diytto: can any computer read it?
[04:23] <diytto> umm
[04:24] <diytto> hold on ill try the imac
[04:24] <pmatulis> diytto: coming from a 'doze machine yea?
[04:24] <diytto> no
[04:24] <diytto> Well
[04:24] <diytto> I had to format it on a windows machine
[04:25] <pmatulis> diytto: i need to go.  approach: read it on another machine and back up the contents there.  have that puter format it again and copy back.  try again on 'buntu
[04:26] <pmatulis> diytto: good luck
[04:26] <diytto> thanks
[04:26] <diytto> :S
[05:16] <jmarsden> diytto: That looks like it could be FAT filesystem corrruption.  I'd image the usb key to a disk image file, using dd, and then play with the image, rather than playing with the actual physical device...  You can use mtools to see if they can get files off the image, or use various filesystem recovery tools like testdisk ... plenty of ways to try to recover the files on it.
[10:34]  * vinylourson is away: fixing the autoradio
[10:55]  * vinylourson is back (gone 00:21:01)
[15:43] <diytto> jmarsden: You highlighted me yesterday about my usb?
[17:12] <jmarsden> What I said was: diytto: That looks like it could be FAT filesystem corrruption.  I'd image the usb key to a disk image file, using dd, and then play with the image, rather than playing with the actual physical device...  You can use mtools to see if they can get files off the image, or use various filesystem recovery tools like testdisk ... plenty of ways to try to recover the files on it.
[17:13] <diytto> jmarsden: Oh ok
[17:13] <diytto> Well
[17:13] <diytto> I plugged it in this morning and it magically worked so idk wtf was going on
[17:14] <jmarsden> OK, well, good that it works now.  Now back it up :)
[17:14] <diytto> I have that done ;p
[21:41] <Psilocybin_Elf> Anyone know how to detect SAMBA shares in Lubuntu? I have installed smbfs & fusesmb but have no idea how to use them...??! And do I need the IP address of the machine I want to connect to, 'cause I don't usually need this when I connect from a Window$ machine.
[22:18] <phillw> Psilocybin_Elf: what version of lubuntu are you running?


[20:42] <balloons> elopio, if you could take a look and ack this design. I plan to gut all the other fixture stuff from the other apps and make them similar to this: https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/ubuntu-calculator-app/drop-fixtures/+merge/237848
[20:42] <balloons> I just put desktop mocking back in.. it will fail jenkins otherwise
[21:57] <elopio> balloons: yes, fine for me. Look that you removed all the bad part of the set up :)
[21:57] <elopio> ideally, even on desktop we would remove the patching. But for now it works fine and clean.
[21:59] <elopio> balloons: only thing is that we need to clean the previous calculations somehow.
[22:01] <balloons> elopio, yes I plan to remove /home patching when we solve the bug (aka new user or whatever). For now I had to put it back in as I said to support jenkins which will blow up as the /home dir there is not at all clean :-)
[22:01] <balloons> thanks for the review


[03:18] <Seveas> sladen, poke
[03:26] <sladen> Seveas: yup
[03:27] <Seveas> sladen, your Ubuntu membership expires in a week
[03:27] <Seveas> I assume you don't want that to happen :)
[03:29] <sladen> Seveas: magic, what happens to my core-dev at that point?
[03:29] <Seveas> it shouldn't expire
[03:29] <sladen> funky.  So I need to book an appointment at the CC?
[03:30] <Seveas> no, thre is a smalldiscussion now about how to handle this
[03:30] <Seveas> just needed to know for 101% sure that you wanted to stay ubuntu member
[03:36] <sladen> I think it would be a sensible thing to do
[03:39] <Seveas> actually, by being in core-dev you're a member as well
[03:40] <sladen> they're going to start expiring aswell soon


[17:05] <daftykins> i might disappear, as oracle say they've got air con trouble in London :D
[17:34]  * jlj grimaces


[14:57] <rlameiro> ScottL: ae you busy?
[15:19] <scott-work> rlameiro: a couple of days you said you had wanted to talk about something, do you remember what it was?
[15:22] <rlameiro> yes
[15:23] <rlameiro> we need to make some kind of meeting
[15:23] <rlameiro> scott-work: to make the decitions to be made, and organize a team ASAP to start the maverick DEV
[15:37] <detrate-> we should set some goals
[15:44] <scott-work> rlameiro: i agree, we do need to start determining a direction and some definitive goals for maverick
[15:44] <scott-work> but we may need to address some issues concerning Ubuntu Studio as a project first
[15:45] <scott-work> finally addressing those issues (audience, goals) may have significant impact on maverick
[15:47] <rlameiro> exactly i mean that
[15:47] <rlameiro> after this isues are solved the faster we start on maverick
[15:49] <detrate-> okay, so lets start planning the work
[15:49] <detrate-> man, svn drives me nuts when it breaks
[15:53] <scott-work> i would hope that we can make significant strides in the next few weeks to clarify the project, and provide a good springboard for moving into marverick
[15:56] <detrate-> 'svn: Server sent unexpected return value (405 Method Not Allowed) in response to MKCOL request' -- I don't even know what this means
[16:04] <detrate-> anyway, I'm hacking away at wordpress at the moment but maybe I'll have some time on the weekend to dump into building up some documentation to give examples for how I think applications should be organized / explained on the wiki
[16:04] <detrate-> and as for the 'help' documentation... what's the strategy for expanding that?
[16:05] <detrate-> do we wait until something in the wiki matures to the level of going into the help section or do we plan to write more user-end specific documentation for it?
[16:05] <detrate-> I'm not really clear on that process
[16:56] <scott-work> detrate-: perhaps i'm not understanding your suggestion about the 'help' documentation and using the wiki to mature
[16:56] <scott-work> my feelings are that the wiki would be a tool for contributors to use to develop Ubuntu Studio
[16:57] <scott-work> while the help documetnation would consist more of tutorials and explanations for users
[16:57] <scott-work> others may have variences in this paradigm
[16:57] <scott-work> though
[17:13] <scott-work> detrate-: i also want you to know that i am eagerly looking forward to seeing what you come up with for the wordpress examples
[17:43] <detrate-> well, I figured some of the developer documentation can be migrated to help after it's been built out a bit more
[17:43] <detrate-> I figure it will just need some rewording and maybe some reorganization to make it more user-end
[18:38] <detrate-> does the US project have any resources available somewhere other than the few graphics available in the wiki?
[18:38] <detrate-> some stock photos and what not
[18:39] <detrate-> also, does the website need to be licensed under the GPL?
[18:40] <detrate-> or just GPL compatible?
[18:41] <scott-work> detrate-: you might just search for "ubuntu studio art" in the wiki, there are numerous images throughout, although i don't know that i would consider any of them "stock photo" material
[18:41] <detrate-> http://www.sxc.hu/browse.phtml?f=search&txt=sound+board&w=1&x=0&y=0
[18:41] <detrate-> might be better
[18:41] <detrate-> but I need license clarification
[18:41] <scott-work> as to licensing, i would defer to persia or TheMuso
[18:42] <detrate-> lol @ this http://www.sxc.hu/photo/1046263
[18:42] <detrate-> I imagine CC-BY-SA would be okay but definitely want to know before getting started
[18:44] <detrate-> who is the person in charge of the website again? was that cory?
[18:44] <detrate-> who is my contact for getting the files on the server
[18:45] <detrate-> I plan on developing it locally, worrying more about the technical, not so much on the theme which can be reconfigured later
[18:48] <detrate-> I'm not sure if this license is GPL compatible, http://www.sxc.hu/help/7_2
[19:03] <scott-work> if you can do it locally, we can email cory if necessary with a link, that should bring his necessary involvement to the fore
[19:29] <detrate-> any restrictions on the server I should be aware of?
[19:29] <detrate-> I figure it's standard LAMP environment that can run WP without a problem
[19:30] <detrate-> mod_rewrite needs to be enabled
[19:31] <scott-work> doh, i don't know anything about the server detrate- , maybe persia has an idea or at least an idea of who would have an idea
[22:57] <persia> Re: licensing: we'd do best to use the licenses cused for the contents at wiki.ubuntu.com and/or help.ubuntu.com
[22:58] <persia> Note that when we document software, it's best to diverge from this, and use a license that is compatible with the software.
[22:59] <persia> Re: server configuration: I have absoulutely no idea: this may require asking ckontrol
[22:59] <persia> s/ol/os/


[12:36] <gabe_> is some one please able to tell me how to convert docbook in to html? :)
[12:44] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: i think i've looked at every single kubuntu doc.
[12:45] <Admiral_Chicago> I sent my last patch. be back much later
[12:45] <dsas> gabe_: If you have the ubuntu-doc repository checked out there's an example in the Makefile.
[12:46] <gabe_> yes
[12:46] <gabe_> i tried it
[12:46] <gabe_> didn't work
[12:46] <gabe_> i'll just try again
[12:48] <gabe_> it says make sure
[12:48] <gabe_> docbook-xsl is installed - OK
[12:49] <gabe_> i get:
[12:49] <gabe_> :~/ubuntu-doc/ubuntu$ make dg
[12:49] <gabe_> make: *** No rule to make target `dg'. Stop.
[12:49] <gabe_> :(
[01:01] <gabe_> dsas: am i getting it wrong?
[01:01] <dsas> gabe_: I don't know, never tried it myself. Let me play.
[01:01] <gabe_> :)
[01:02] <gabe_> i'm just reading what to do from: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Repository
[01:03] <dsas> gabe_: You need "make website" I think, though that fails for me.
[01:04] <dsas> hmm, yay, it is working now.
[01:13] <gabe_> ?
[01:13] <gabe_> ahh that web page is wrong then
[01:13] <gabe_> :(
[01:13] <gabe_> $ make website
[01:13] <gabe_> make: Nothing to be done for `website'.
[01:17] <dsas> hmph
[01:18] <dsas> gabe_: hmm, it didn't finish properly for me actually.
[05:23] <nixternal> whee
[05:50] <Burgundavia> hmm
[05:50] <Burgundavia> I need somebody to pass the ownership of the wiki team too
[05:53] <nixternal> what?
[05:53] <nixternal> Burgundavia: are you taking a break now?
[05:53] <nixternal> I am willing to step up if you need me to
[05:53] <Burgundavia> nixternal: trying to get rid of the ubuntu-doc bugmail
[05:54] <nixternal> ahhh
[05:54] <Burgundavia> I gave it to Matthew East
[05:54] <Burgundavia> pretty much trying to clear out my inbox
[05:54] <nixternal> hehe, I hear you there
[05:54] <Burgundavia> as I am simply not getting to most of my mail
[05:54] <nixternal> well if you want pass it on over
[05:54] <nixternal> I am here all day long 99.9% of the time
[05:54] <Burgundavia> already passed to mdke
[05:54] <nixternal> the other .1% I am sleeping in class :)
[05:54] <nixternal> oh
[05:57] <Burgundavia> now I need somebody to take most of my list admin stuff off my hands
[05:58] <nixternal> I can help you there if need be as well
[05:59] <Burgundavia> ah, ok
[05:59] <nixternal> what list?
[05:59] <nixternal> don't give me ubuntu-bugs or something
[05:59] <nixternal> hahaha
[06:02] <Burgundavia> I have -devel-discuss, -users, -directory, -doc, -ca and -news
[06:02] <Burgundavia> you want -doc?
[06:02] <nixternal> sure
[06:02] <nixternal> wait, I have doc already I though
[06:02] <nixternal> s/though/thought
[06:03] <Burgundavia> yep, you already do
[06:03] <nixternal> heh
[06:03] <Burgundavia> I am merely going to remove myself
[06:03] <nixternal> that takes one off the list
[06:03] <Burgundavia> yewp
[06:04] <Burgundavia> I will probably post to -devel-discuss about it
[06:04] <nixternal> what is -directory?
[06:05] <Burgundavia> ldap and other stuff
[06:05] <Burgundavia> I don't mind -ca, -news or -directory
[06:06] <nixternal> heh, is directory really necessary seeing as only 10 emails have been exchanged since October?
[06:06] <Burgundavia> well, it was active then
[06:16] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: ping
[06:16] <Admiral_Chicago> oh wait, i think you're afk...
[06:22] <nixternal> yo yo
[06:29] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3941 kubuntu/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Freddy's patches
[06:30] <Admiral_Chicago> so were do I send patches for xubuntu
[06:30] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3942 kubuntu/system-settings/C/system-settings.xml: Bluetooth is a registered trademark
[06:30] <Admiral_Chicago> also, I have a "xref linkend="extra-repositories" command, not sure what to do
[06:30] <nixternal> Admiral_Chicago<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:30] <Admiral_Chicago> i want to see what it directs users to when it is compiled
[06:30] <nixternal> Admiral_Chicago: make sure that in the root of your trunk/ checkout that you svn up prior to making changes
[06:31] <nixternal> I can't use your networking2.patch
[06:31] <Admiral_Chicago> any particular reason?
[06:32] <Admiral_Chicago> there was a spelling fix and a sentence flow fix but its your call
[09:02] <mdke> morning
[09:06] <mdke> wow, philbull is rocking
[09:20] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3943 /trunk/ (22 files in 22 dirs): slight modification to get-pot.sh, refreshing pot templates
[09:23] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3944 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
[09:23] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: * changelog entry
[09:23] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: * fixing broken link
[09:30] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3945 ubuntu/newtoubuntu/C/newtoubuntu.xml: bug 89156
[09:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89156 in ubuntu-docs "There is no mac-os-x.xml " [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89156
[09:32] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3946 debian/changelog: fixing email address
[09:42] <mdke> bhuvan: it's string freeze now, so quite soon we need to get the server material in shape. I'd suggest that maybe sometime this weekend I'll branch the feisty material, and then you can remove the incomplete sections, and continue working on them in trunk
[09:48] <mdke> --> work
[10:51] <gabe_> g'morning!
[02:34] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: lucius * r3947 xubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks.xml: patch from freddy
[02:43] <_ion> The Ubuntu Weekly News feed at http://fridge.ubuntu.com/uwn/feed seems to be outdated. It lists issue #28 as the newest one. Is this the correct place to report this?
[03:06] <nixternal> _ion: #ubuntu-fridge would be correct, but we already have it in queue there, but thanks for noticing
[03:06] <nixternal> I will update the Fridge shortly
[03:06] <_ion> Thanks
[03:32] <somerville32> So, can we start working on Feisty +1 documentation? ;]
[03:37] <jsgotangco> heh when feisty documentation gets branched
[03:38] <somerville32> Now that we are in string freeze, it seems logical to be to branch it.
[03:38] <somerville32> That way we can continue to work our butts off to improve documentation and have a seperate "stable" branch where we make the exception to the string freeze edits
[03:39] <somerville32> Then after the release, we just merge the feisty branch into the feisty+1 branch.
[03:39] <jsgotangco> yeah but someone will have to take charge of translations as well
[03:39] <jsgotangco> writing the actual docs is just half of the battle
[03:39] <somerville32> Right, translations will be on the feisty tag
[03:45] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3948 kubuntu/ (5 files in 4 dirs):
[03:45] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: Created Kubuntu System Documentation Index
[03:45] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: Updated Kubuntu Makefile to include above doc
[03:45] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: Updated systemdocs.desktop to point to valid location
[03:45] <nixternal> boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[03:46] <jsgotangco> you need a better whip if you want me to write again
[03:46] <nixternal> lol
[03:46] <nixternal> well, I have warn out my welcome here :) so I am packing up and heading out to bigger and better things
[03:47] <nixternal> like Microsoft development!
[03:47] <nixternal> hahaha, j/k
[03:47] <jsgotangco> right!
[03:47] <nixternal> hehe
[03:47] <nixternal> I am heading over and taking over a couple of KDE projects
[03:47] <nixternal> KOrganizer, Mailody, and a coupld of other small projects
[03:47] <nixternal> starting out with docs, but I am working on coding patches as well
[03:47] <jsgotangco> bastard
[03:48] <nixternal> what?
[03:48] <nixternal> why me?
[03:48] <nixternal> I have a daddy ;p
[03:48] <nixternal> haha
[03:48] <nixternal> you my baby's daddy?
[03:48] <nixternal> that was a stupid movie
[03:48] <jsgotangco> did you see that entry in digg about this guy in stanford rapping about kill -9
[03:49] <nixternal> lol, no? was it recent? /me actually goes and reads digg for this one
[03:49] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:49] <jsgotangco> "you're a dial up connection, I'm a gigabit LAN"
[03:49] <nixternal> haha
[03:49] <nixternal> I am watching it
[03:49] <nixternal> unix commands rap
[03:50] <nixternal> hahahahah
[03:50] <jsgotangco> hehe
[03:51] <nixternal> heh, you need help
[03:51] <nixternal> haha
[03:51] <jsgotangco> http://www.monzy.com/intro/drama_lyrics.html
[03:51] <nixternal> ya, layin' in a hospital bed with a lappy and office
[03:52] <nixternal> DWORD to your moms!
[03:52] <nixternal> gahahahahah
[03:52] <jsgotangco> I run gmake and gcc,
[03:52] <jsgotangco> And I ain't never called malloc without calling free.
[03:53] <nixternal> hahahaha
[03:53] <nixternal> ctrl-x, ctrl-c, i will discard your f'n buffer
[03:53] <nixternal> I love the emacs plug there
[03:55] <nixternal> hahahah, my lyrics get stolen by sucker MCs, I gotta sign my rhymes in PGP
[03:56] <jsgotangco> nerdcore can be funny sometimes
[03:56] <nixternal> my god, I have to take his music to class
[03:56] <nixternal> my c++ instructor and I are the only nix geeks
[03:56] <nixternal> the rest of the kids in class our MySpace junkies
[03:56] <nixternal> s/our/are
[03:59] <jsgotangco> man maybe i should consider writing songs like this instead hahaha
[04:00] <nixternal> no doubt
[04:00] <nixternal> there is money to be made
[04:02] <jsgotangco> http://www.rhymetorrents.com/disc1/
[04:02] <jsgotangco> hehe
[07:02] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r3949 ubuntu/musicvideophotos/C/musicvideophotos.xml: Change section ids so front page link not broken (no strings changed)
[08:16] <LaserJock> doh! I thought string freeze was today
[08:16] <Admiral_Chicago> it was.
[08:17] <LaserJock> who's doing the UWN these days?
[08:17] <LaserJock> issue 30 has some ... issues
[08:17] <Admiral_Chicago> everyone and anyone
[08:17] <Admiral_Chicago> Corey and Cody didn't have much to do this one
[08:18] <Admiral_Chicago> LaserJock: what issues? i haven't seen it but I give them fix
[08:18] <LaserJock> it says that Beryl and Compiz aren't being shipped in Feisty
[08:18] <LaserJock> Compiz is installed by default
[08:18] <Admiral_Chicago> whoa. give me a sec
[08:19] <LaserJock> it's just not the default WM until you turn on the desktop-effects stuff
[08:19] <LaserJock> Also it says that Ubucon *will* take place Feb 16th
[08:20] <LaserJock> it's written in a future tense when it really should have been a wrapup of what happened
[08:20] <LaserJock> I'm guessing that part was writen before Feb 16th
[08:20] <LaserJock> *written
[08:20] <Admiral_Chicago> remember that UWN is from a month ago
[08:21] <LaserJock> but why is it just released now?
[08:21] <Admiral_Chicago> WTH!
[08:21] <Admiral_Chicago> someone changed that section
[08:21] <Admiral_Chicago> LaserJock: I wrote the section that you are talking about
[08:21] <LaserJock> it was just edited today and it is on the Fridge today
[08:21] <Admiral_Chicago> the current version is *not* what I wrote
[08:22] <Admiral_Chicago> i see all the feisty changes are everything I wrote
[08:22] <LaserJock> well, it's been edited quite a bit in the last few days
[08:23] <Admiral_Chicago> after all the chatter on the ML, I expected it to be much better
[08:23] <Admiral_Chicago> they *completely* took out my link from the TB decision.
[08:27] <Admiral_Chicago> LaserJock: header now reads "No Composite installed by Default"
[08:32] <LaserJock> Admiral_Chicago: might want to let the fridge people know
[08:32] <LaserJock> Admiral_Chicago: they've got it in their little intro
[08:33] <Admiral_Chicago> i'll find the ML and let them know
[08:33] <Admiral_Chicago> dammit, i knew I should have been checking what they were doing on UWN
[08:35] <Admiral_Chicago> do they have channel? i can't find a ML for them
[08:35] <LaserJock> for fridge?
[08:35] <LaserJock> I thought they had a channel and ML
[08:35] <Admiral_Chicago> i'll just msg Daniel.
[08:36] <Admiral_Chicago> i dunno the channel. i couldn't find the list on the page.
[08:39] <somerville32> #ubuntu-fridge
[08:40] <somerville32> And the list is hidden
[08:40] <somerville32> However, I happen to know what it is
[08:40] <Admiral_Chicago> somerville32: we need you back on UWN... :(
[08:40] <somerville32> You'll get me back when I get out of the hospital :D
[08:40] <Admiral_Chicago> dammit, okay i see what happens.
[08:41] <Admiral_Chicago> somerville32: is there a way i could take it over until Corey isn't so busy with things like the book?
[08:41] <somerville32> This is an open source project - you don't really "need" to ask. If you see a need, fill it.
[08:41] <somerville32> If you start stepping on people's toes, they'll let you know ;]
[08:42] <Admiral_Chicago> gah. i had my entire section which I wrote very carefully edited
[08:43] <somerville32> :)
[10:57] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3950 ubuntu/add-applications/C/add-applications.xml: bug reported on mailing list
[10:58] <mdke> ah, praises


[14:02] <penguin42> hmm according to the metoffice there's a <5% chance of rain, according to bbc there's a 21% chance of rain; looking out of the window I'd say it's >50%
[14:03] <daftykins> :D
[14:08] <zxmpi> battening down the hatches and preparing for storm agnes at the mo. wind and rain forecast. code yellow in dublin, code orange in south of country
[14:14] <daftykins> ooh haven't heard about this
[14:14] <zxmpi> https://www.msn.com/en-ie/weather/topstories/storm-agnes-met-eireann-pinpoint-when-peak-will-hit-as-orange-weather-warnings-issued/ar-AA1hhc7K
[15:31] <zxmpi> stepped outside for 10 minutes and rain decided to start early
[15:31] <penguin42> huh actually stayed dry
[15:32] <zxmpi> not an option with this rain
[15:33] <penguin42> if it's in Dublin it's probably a few hours from here
[15:33] <daftykins> oh that reminds me, i was gonna try and scope out a new rain jacket whilst here... at some kinda outdoor shop i can find
[15:34] <penguin42> daftykins: I just bought a couple from Regatta's online sale over the weekend - so try Blacks/Regatta/etc
[15:34] <daftykins> ah har
[15:35] <daftykins> i have a nice North Face one but one layer over the shoulders has broken down and peeled away, so i just get soaked on there now
[15:43] <penguin42> I ordered the XL, even though I'm only M-L - and I'd still like them longer
[15:58] <penguin42> some could say I just want to cover my arse, which is true for the rain we get here
[16:05] <daftykins> heh
[19:07] <zxmpi> i just buy lidl or aldis finest raincoat when they have them just before winter strikes :-)
[20:58] <penguin42> zxmpi: I use the light ones for summer and have big heavy things for winter