[00:02]  * directhex hands slangasek cake
[00:02] <slangasek> hmm, not sure how well that goes with the beer that lool was plying me with
[00:03] <directhex> what kind of beer?
[00:03] <slangasek> he didn't say
[00:03] <directhex> i mean, a chocolate porter for example, it could go quite well
[00:03]  * slangasek hehs
[00:03] <directhex> but an american "lager"... less so
[00:06] <directhex> anyway, bedtime pour moi
[01:33] <sistpoty> hi folks
[01:36] <__iron> hi
[01:36] <__iron> new nvidia non-free driver kills ubuntu
[01:36] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty
[01:36] <sistpoty> hi bddebian
[01:37] <sistpoty> __iron: which one? also, have you checked launchpad yet for bugs?
[01:37] <__iron> a really nice whitescreen
[01:37] <__iron> nope
[01:37] <__iron> still not
[01:38] <sistpoty> __iron: which one as in which version?
[01:38] <__iron> sec
[01:39] <__iron> NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-173.14.12
[01:41] <sistpoty> __iron: can you check with https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-173/+bugs if there are any bugs describing your problem are already there?
[01:41] <sistpoty> __iron: if not, would you mind filing a new bug?
[01:42] <__iron> sure
[01:42] <sistpoty> __iron: thanks.
[01:42] <__iron> i take a look
[01:42] <sistpoty> __iron: just to clarify, you did install it via the ubuntu package, not the thingy that can be downloaded from nvidia, right?
[01:43] <RAOF> __iron: And you're not using Xgl, which is pretty finniky about the libGL that you feed it.
[01:44] <_iron> some bugs
[01:44] <sistpoty> _iron: just to clarify, you did install it via the ubuntu package, not the thingy that can be downloaded from nvidia, right? (^^)
[01:45] <sistpoty> arg
[01:45] <_iron> non-free
[01:45] <sistpoty> _iron: non-free, as in ubuntu package?
[01:45] <_iron> nope
[01:45] <RAOF> Then it's not going to work, for a number of reasons.
[01:46] <sistpoty> _iron: hm... I'm sorry to say that we cannot really support you installing the binary drivers directly from nvidia
[01:46] <sistpoty> (that's why we package these)
[01:46] <_iron> sistpoty i know
[01:46] <_iron> therefore nvidia suxx
[01:46] <RAOF> And the white screen strongy suggests you're using Xgl, which is now removed from the archive, and which cannot support the nvidia.com installer.
[01:47] <sistpoty> _iron: however if RAOF doesn't have a clue, you might ask tseliot (probably at ubuntu-devel), but at a better time of day (i.e. when he's not afk ;))
[01:49] <sistpoty> RAOF: btw, what's the state of nouveau in experimental?
[01:49] <_iron> RAOF: strange
[01:49] <RAOF> sistpoty: It's in there.
[01:49] <sistpoty> RAOF: will it be fun for me to try it?
[01:49] <sistpoty> *g*
[01:49] <RAOF> Probably, yes :)
[01:50] <RAOF> sistpoty: What card?
[01:50] <_iron> i havent read that installer doenst support X
[01:50] <sistpoty> RAOF:  8500 GT
[01:51] <RAOF> _iron: The installer overwrites libGL and doesn't provide a backup.  Xgl _needs_ the mesa libgl to work, and so fails.
[01:51] <RAOF> sistpoty: Hm.  You may be in luck, but not as much luck as if you had a nv4x card :)
[01:51] <RAOF> sistpoty: You might find my PPA more useful; it's substantially more up-to-date.
[01:52] <_iron> grml
[01:52] <RAOF> _iron: A simple solution for you would be to uninstall the xserver-xgl package; it's useles for you.
[01:52] <sistpoty> RAOF: oh, cool... I guess I might try this then... thanks! :)
[01:52] <_iron> i had buy a ati-card
[01:52] <RAOF> A _simpler_ solution would be to use the packaged drivers.
[01:52] <RAOF> !nouveau > sistpoty
[01:53] <_iron> RAOF: i thought the new driver supports 3d better
[01:54] <RAOF> _iron: The driver you're installing is _exactly_ the driver you'd get from installing the nvidia-glx-173 package.
[01:54] <_iron> mhm
[01:55] <RAOF> The only time I'd recommend going outside the packaged drivers is when your card isn't supported _at all_.  And no cards fit into that category at the moment.
[01:56] <_iron> k
[01:57] <_iron> i try to install the package
[01:58] <ajmitch> hm, interesting name for 9.04
[01:59] <wgrant> ajmitch: Ehm, indeed.
[01:59] <_iron> other question
[02:00] <_iron> it is normal that if i put crtl+alt+F1
[02:00] <_iron> that i cannot change to terminal ?
[02:13] <_iron> RAOF: is nvidia-glx-173 package include in stable part of ubuntu ?
[02:50] <NCommander> I need someone's assistance on upload packages to hardy-proposed
[02:51] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: What do you need?
[02:52]  * cody-somerville notes we have the UUS queue on launchpad for this.
[02:53] <NCommander> ScottK, roughly 20 packages need uploading to hardy-proposed
[02:53] <ScottK-laptop> Why?
[02:54] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop, to correct the GNAT issue on Hardy. I was working with DktrKats (sp?) on it, but he's been busy recently, so I'm just going to put them in the queue for him for easy approval
[02:54] <ScottK-laptop> Hmmm.
[02:54] <ScottK-laptop> OK.
[02:55] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: You fix my lpia FTBFS yet?
[02:55] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop, not yet, but it will float to the top of the TODO queue ;-)
[02:56] <ScottK-laptop> Unfortunately the Universe process calls for approval before upload.
[02:56] <ScottK-laptop> Let
[02:56] <nxvl> is good to have a FTBFS killer around
[02:56] <nxvl> LD
[02:56] <nxvl> :D
[02:56]  * nxvl HUGS NCommander
[02:56] <ScottK-laptop> Let's see who else is on motu-sru these days ...
[02:57]  * cody-somerville runs.
[02:57] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop, I thought it was upload to hardy-proposed after uploading the bug report
[02:57] <ScottK-laptop> Did he already approve it?
[02:57] <NCommander> nxvl, who held the FTBFS killer title before mine
[02:58] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop, yeah, I have all the rebuilt packages with the proper patchs in my PPA
[02:58] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: OK.  Email me a stack of debdiffs and I'll upload.
[02:58] <NCommander> I just need to download each source package, remove the ~ppaX from it, and then reupload if I was an MOTU
[02:59]  * NCommander looks at motu-sru first to see if someone is around who can tell me if one bug is fine, or I need to file multiple ones
[02:59] <nxvl> NCommander: i think no one
[02:59] <NCommander> nxvl, ?
[02:59] <nxvl> NCommander: no one helt the FTBFS killer title before you
[03:00] <nxvl> held*
[03:00]  * nxvl can cross the hallway and knock on cody's door if he runs to much
[03:00] <nxvl> :D
[03:01] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: The problem with one bug is then people who are subscribed to bugmail for a particular package get ALL of it.
[03:01] <NCommander> nxvl, cody-somerville?
[03:02] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop, I think filing 22 bugs is a little overkill though
[03:02] <ScottK-laptop> So while logically one bug makes sense, due to the carefully thought out state of Launchpad's design, it's not a great idea.
[03:02] <ScottK-laptop> I agree.  I'd have said one bug, but I lost that argument.
[03:02] <nxvl> NCommander: yeah, we are in Boston
[03:04] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop, the only problem is I can't put (LP: #XXX) in the changelogs because it will close the bug on the first upload
[03:04] <ScottK-laptop> Only against that  package.
[03:04]  * cody-somerville nods.
[03:04] <NCommander> Huh?
[03:05] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: You use also affects to open a task for each affected package.  The LP closing thing only closes it for the particular package.
[03:05] <nxvl> jcastro: around?
[03:06] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: As an example, the auto-close on 'needs-packaging' bugs doesn't work because the bug isn't filed against that package.
[03:06] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop, I didn't know about that "feature"
[03:06] <ScottK-laptop> ;-)
[03:06] <jcastro> nxvl: yeah, for a minute
[03:07] <nxvl> jcastro: http://dev.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/build-instructions-linux
[03:07] <jcastro> yeah what about that?
[03:07] <nxvl> jcastro: just wanted to show you that link
[03:07] <jcastro> oh, seen it
[03:08] <nxvl> oh ok
[03:08] <NCommander> ScottK, that was kdenet, right?
[03:08] <nxvl> just making sure, since you were interested on chrome running in linux and just found that link :D
[03:08] <pwnguin> nxvl: is that page even right yet?
[03:08] <pwnguin> last i checked, it was full of build fail
[03:08] <jcastro> nxvl: heh, it's not ported
[03:08] <jcastro> it's full of fail
[03:08] <nxvl> really?
[03:09] <nxvl> since a friend of mine posted a copy of that saying it worked for him
[03:09] <pwnguin> in wine maybe
[03:09] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Yes https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/kdenetwork/4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy1
[03:09] <nxvl> oh ok
[03:09] <pwnguin> oh, they've updated
[03:09] <nxvl> jcastro: btw, i;m quite sure i will make it for fosscamp! \o/
[03:10] <jcastro> \o/
[03:11] <ajmitch> nxvl: there's not even a skeleton of a GUI of chrome for linux
[03:12] <pwnguin> chrome is basically a toolkit flamewar waiting to happen
[03:12] <ajmitch> pwnguin: the FAQ already says GTK+
[03:12] <pwnguin> orly
[03:12] <ajmitch> rly
[03:12] <pwnguin> i should find a relevant mailing list to subscribe to
[03:13] <ajmitch> "With all of that said, the plan is to use GTK. It's not due to any dislike of Qt, but just because there's more experience on the team with GTK and it matches the existing Firefox dependency on Linux. Please keep calm. :)"
[03:13] <ajmitch> http://dev.chromium.org/developers/faq
[03:13] <pwnguin> well that was very 'collaborative' ;)
[03:14] <pwnguin> but sometimes, you just gotta recognize the inevitable non-consensus and cut the knot
[03:14] <ajmitch> if you expected them to try & find consensus, you have to be smoking something powerful :)
[03:19] <pwnguin> i expect that they want a contributing developer community, but maybe google can just hire one
[03:19] <pwnguin> do you like my hat? it's made of money!
[03:35] <NCommander> ScottK, checking if kppp should be compiled... no
[03:35] <NCommander> ScottK, I found your problem
[03:36] <NCommander> ScottK, checking linux/if_ppp.h usability... no
[03:36] <NCommander> checking linux/if_ppp.h presence... yes
[03:36] <NCommander> And there is your reason
[03:40] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: OK, so what's the fix?
[03:40] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop, I'll tell you as soon as I finish downloading the lpia hardy chroot
[03:40] <ScottK-laptop> Thanks.
[03:40] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop, (I was scrubbing the log for answers)
[03:40] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop, it might need a patch to the kernel headers or something
[03:41] <ScottK-laptop> Ouch.
[03:41] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop, which package are the kernel headers on lpia
[03:41] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: If that's what needs to be done, it's not worth it.  They aren't going to path the Hardy lpia kernel to make KDE work on it.
[03:41] <ScottK-laptop> path/patch
[03:42] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop, if its not a possibility, I can just patch it so it doesn't install kppp
[03:42] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop, everything else compiles just fine, so we disable kppp
[03:42] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop, it also may be a defective test
[03:42] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: One that one arch sounds good.
[03:43] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop, huh?
[03:43] <ScottK-laptop> Disable kppp on lpia.
[03:43] <NCommander> yeah, should be easy enough to do
[03:43] <ScottK-laptop> That sounds good.
[03:43] <NCommander> Well, if I can properly fix it, I perfer to do that first
[03:46] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop, grabbing the build-deps
[03:46] <ScottK-laptop> Great.
[03:47] <NCommander> Is there any device that ships with lpia yet?
[03:50] <ScottK-laptop> Dunno.
[03:50] <ScottK-laptop> I'm just picky about being complete.
[03:51] <ScottK-laptop> It also then becomes another reason why 3.5.10 in hardy-updates is an improvement over what we have now.
[03:51] <ScottK-laptop> But I've also got the flu, so I may be completely out of my mind at this point.
[03:51] <NCommander> c
[03:51] <NCommander> er
[03:51] <NCommander> Ew
[03:51] <NCommander> The header appears to be partially broken
[03:51] <NCommander> It probably needs a dependency
[03:52] <ScottK-laptop> Be nice or I'll cough on my screen.
[03:52]  * Hobbsee puts ScottK-laptop in a sealed box.
[03:52] <Hobbsee> problem solved.
[03:52] <ScottK-laptop> Ah, sweet, sweet silence.
[03:56] <Hobbsee> so, for this intrepid+1, will bzr be *required* for committing to ubuntu?
[03:57] <pwnguin> i hope so
[03:57] <ScottK-laptop> Hobbsee: No.
[03:58] <ScottK-laptop> Hobbsee: Long thread on -devel that it'll all be optional for ages to come.
[03:58] <Hobbsee> ScottK-laptop: oh, good.
[03:58] <pwnguin> optional on a per package or per upload basis?
[03:58] <ScottK-laptop> Per upload
[03:58] <ScottK-laptop> You'll be free to keep working just like you do now if you want.
[03:59] <Hobbsee> i wouldn't mind if it made the process easier, and was fast, but...
[03:59] <ScottK-laptop> Yeah.  That was kind of my point in said thread.
[03:59] <ScottK-laptop> I was accused of being obstructionist.
[03:59] <Hobbsee> hah
[04:00] <NCommander> Bleck
[04:00] <NCommander> I don't want bzr packaging mandatory
[04:00] <ScottK-laptop> In the end we settled that making it not suck before making it mandatory would be a good idea.
[04:00] <pwnguin> so basically, if you do a normal upload, it'll make a big commit in a bzr repo on your behalf somewhere?
[04:01] <NCommander> ScottK, well, I'm making progress, the header appears usable once you define a lot of other crazy headers
[04:01] <NCommander> ScottK, I can probably force the test, and then make changes to the includes
[04:02] <ScottK-laptop> Interesting.
[04:03] <ScottK-laptop> pwnguin: Something like that.  We discussed it to death on -devel.  Near the end of the thread there's a link to a spec.
[04:03] <NCommander> ScottK, and what seems to be a possible typo in a header
[04:03] <NCommander> #define aligned_u64 __u64 __attribute__((aligned(8)))
[04:04] <NCommander> Anyone else see the mistake?
[04:04] <pwnguin> one of the reasons you do bzr/git/svn is to make it more accessible to people not using your code. i think a nice collaborative future might include commit emails on packages hitting upstream mailing lists
[04:05] <pwnguin> s/using/running
[04:06] <ScottK-laptop> pwnguin: Personally, I don't have enough time to learn the details of a new VCS just for Ubuntu.
[04:06] <NCommander> ScottK, I found the bug it seems, now its a matter of figuring out how to fix it
[04:06] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Great.
[04:06] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: What's the bug in?
[04:07] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop, appears a -DDEFINE is required to make the right type information be activated
[04:07] <NCommander> I need to look at the config log and see what I need to add
[04:10] <pwnguin> ok so about xournal. the DD developer is basically mia and the last NMU'er has said they dont have time to help out reviewing patches for upstream inclusion
[04:12] <pwnguin> does MOTU basically adopt it and hope debian recognizes ubuntu as upstream?
[04:12]  * NCommander sighs
[04:12] <NCommander> What a headache
[04:13] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop, ok, there appears to be a good way to fix this
[04:13] <NCommander> Hold on
[04:14] <ScottK-laptop> Kewl.
[04:14] <ScottK-laptop> pwnguin: How interested in the package are you?
[04:16] <pwnguin> im not sure it matters; vicenczo (sp?) seems to be taking decent care of it
[04:17] <pwnguin> but theres a request from sponsors on a merge that we get ubuntu nonspecific patches upstream somehow
[04:17] <pwnguin> its mostly packaging at the moment, so i don't care a whole lot -- i just got my replacement ac cable for the tablet to test again
[04:18] <NCommander> ScottK, testing fix
[04:23] <pwnguin> ScottK-laptop: i'd like to see xournal continue to be up to date in ubuntu, but honestly, the thought of me being the main contact is a bit intimidating
[04:24] <ScottK-laptop> pwnguin: Then just fix it up here and send patches in bugs to Debian.  What happens after that, isn't essentially your problem.  If you get ambitious you could NMU the package in Debian.
[04:24] <pwnguin> currently xournal's up to date with xournal upstream, but debian has some changes to the packaging that people want
[04:24] <pwnguin> s/people/person
[04:25] <NCommander> ScottK, poke?
[04:26] <NCommander> (I pinged you on the wrong channel)
[04:26] <ScottK-laptop> Yeah.  Filing it now.
[04:26] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Bug 267991
[04:27] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop, I changed the code to hook against the glibc PPP interface vs using the Linux one directly (its standardized, its just the glibc interface has proper headers)
[04:28] <pwnguin> ScottK-laptop: how does one contribute patches via BTS against a debian package without pissing off the developer that might be paying attention?
[04:28] <NCommander> ScottK, the changelog has to target hardy-proposed, right?
[04:28] <pwnguin> i recall having a not good experience with thinkfinger
[04:29] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: hardy-backports.
[04:29] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: That's where 3.5.10 is right now.
[04:29] <NCommander> You are not the bug assignee nor the maintainer of kdenetwork (Ubuntu), and therefore cannot edit this bug's status.
[04:29] <NCommander> That's a new error
[04:29] <pwnguin> are you logged in?
[04:30] <NCommander> yeah
[04:30] <pwnguin> have super powers (i forget the team -- triagers?)
[04:30] <NCommander> There it goes
[04:31] <ScottK-laptop> pwnguin: It depends a lot on the Maintainer.  Most are happy to get a good, well explained patch.
[04:31] <ScottK-laptop> pwnguin: If the maintainer is pretty well MIA, odds of him being annoyed are low in any case.
[04:31] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop, I have a patch against the 3.5.9 FTBFS, not backports, but I can spin that one easily if this works
[04:32] <ScottK-laptop> Should be the same.
[04:33] <NCommander> LEts do the SRU one first, that one targets hardy-proposed first, right?
[04:34] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: I want to get all of 3.5.10 into -updates, so I'd rather just do it once.
[04:35] <NCommander> Does 3.5.10 meet SRU requirements?
[04:36] <ScottK-laptop> Sort of.
[04:36] <NCommander> "Sort of"?
[04:37] <pwnguin> ok, so i sorta subscribed someone to a bug to get their opinion
[04:38] <pwnguin> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xournal/+bug/245828
[04:38] <pwnguin> their reply is that they're too busy -- should i unsubscribe them?
[04:40] <ScottK-laptop> pwnguin: You can't.
[04:40] <pwnguin> ok
[04:41] <pwnguin> that makes it both easy and embaressing =/
[06:09] <dholbach> good morning
[06:43] <fabrice_sp> Hi. Even is Intrepid is frozen, does it make sense to follow up on uploading new packages in REVU?
[06:56] <NCommander> cody-somerville, you around?
[07:55] <Adri2000> bug #85266 for motu-sru :)
[08:13] <mok0> jaunty jackalope
[08:13] <mok0> heh
[08:16] <huats> morninh everyone
[08:16] <stefanlsd> morning
[09:11] <huats> pochu: are you around ?
[09:18] <directhex> aha, i wasn't far off in my predictions!
[09:18] <directhex> 2008-08/#ubuntu-motu.27.log:27-08-2008 14:02:48 > directhex: there are three* places a given package can be available, excluding a PPA. if we say 1. 0 is in the main repository for intrepid, then 1.2 is in the main repository for jilted jackalope, then 1.2 can only end up available in intrepid vi a the backports repo, updates repo, or a ppa (and you won't be in updates without good reason). the version that comes in via backports/upd
[09:18] <directhex> to be older than the version in jilted jackalope,
[09:23] <stefanlsd> i had named it jumping juniper in my head.
[09:23] <stefanlsd> but jackalope sounds cooler
[09:23] <directhex> of course, there's one minor issue with jackalopes
[09:24] <directhex> they have this terrible habit of NOT EXISTING
[09:25] <stefanlsd> directhex: they do..
[09:25] <stefanlsd> its like a rabbit thingy
[09:25] <stefanlsd> well, in folklore anyways
[09:25] <directhex> a non-existent rabbit with horns
[09:26] <stefanlsd> well... its kinda like santa.  lots of people think he exists.  or maybe religion
[09:26] <directhex> ooh, don't start THAT flame war
[09:26] <directhex> there are lots of proud santaologists in here
[09:26] <stefanlsd> hehe
[09:26] <laga> um
[09:27] <laga> jackalops can exist, it's some kind of disease
[09:27] <laga> poor rabbits
[09:27] <stefanlsd> by the time you realise, we already have 9.10
[09:27] <directhex> so ubuntu 9.04 has painful tumours?
[09:27] <laga> ouch ;)
[09:35] <stefanlsd> well. its on wikipedia. and anything on wikipedia is true and thats good enough for me
[09:36] <directhex> 'The legend of the jackalope has bred the rise of many outlandish (and largely tongue-in-cheek) claims as to the creature's habits. For example, it is said to be a hybrid of the pygmy-deer and a species of "killer-rabbit".'
[09:37] <directhex> that rabbit's a killer!
[09:48] <pochu> huats: I am now (more or less)
[09:49] <huats> hey pochu :)
[09:49] <huats> don't worry if you don't have lots of time...
[09:54]  * james_w hugs directhex
[09:54] <james_w> thanks a lot for sorting out mono-tools
[09:57] <directhex> james_w, of course. debian-mono aims for quality service!
[10:19] <laga> gah
[10:19] <laga> and i thought the jaunty jackalope thing was a joke
[10:21] <jsgotangco> lol
[10:25] <fta> dholbach, hi, is the @ubuntu.com redirection automatically created for motus?
[10:26] <dholbach> fta: it should be for everybody who's in ubuntumembers
[10:26] <dholbach> fta: if it doesn't work, best to talk to the folks in #launchpad
[10:26] <jsgotangco> fta: ubuntumembers in launchpad automatically get it
[10:26] <fta> dholbach, it doesn't work for me
[10:26] <fta> i'll ask there
[10:26] <dholbach> great, thanks
[10:27] <wgrant> Oh dear. A 3500 word reply to something complaining about the 2000 word bug report.
[10:27] <jsgotangco> hello dholbach :-)
[10:28] <dholbach> hiya jsgotangco
[10:59] <mok0> TheMuso: ping
[11:01] <mok0> sispoty, ping
[11:16] <mok0> WHAT is going on with packages.debian.org??
[11:17] <directhex> it's broken again. i suggest running around screaming, flailing your arms
[11:17] <jpds> ...in #debian-devel.
[11:18] <directhex> i meant in your office. perhaps both!
[11:18] <mok0> directhex: I was doing that, didn't help
[11:18] <mok0> :-)
[11:19] <mok0> It's not like it's down, it's more like a DOS
[11:21] <mok0> Is there a mirror somewhere?
[11:21] <mok0> Of packages.debian.org I mean
[11:22] <jpds> packages.qa.debian?
[11:22] <azeem> I don't think so, but most/all of the functionality is provided elsewhere, though at several different places
[11:30] <mok0> yay! packages.qa.debian.org works
[11:31] <azeem> if you know the source package you want to have information about, packages.qa.d.o is the better choice usually
[11:35] <mok0> azeem:  I will use it in the future, for sure
[11:47] <TheMuso> mok0: What can I do for you?
[11:48] <directhex> sing and dance
[12:05] <mok0> TheMuso: oh, I just want to check with you that it's ok to upload the merge from bug 261089
[12:06] <TheMuso> mok0: Sure go ahead.
[12:06] <mok0> TheMuso: great, thx
[12:42] <Cheetah> hey folks
[12:43] <Cheetah> i have a problem with ubuntu hardys qt4 package
[12:43] <Cheetah> it's supposed to include the headers for Phonon, but it doesnt
[12:43] <Cheetah> what do I have to do to get this fixed?
[12:43] <mok0> Cheetah: headers are normally only in -dev packages
[12:44] <directhex> libphonon-dev
[12:45] <Cheetah> libphonon-dev does not include the includes for qt4
[12:45] <mok0> Cheetah: better chance if you ask on #kubuntu-devel
[12:47] <directhex> which includes specifically? it installs to /usr/lib/kde4/include/
[12:47] <Cheetah> hmm.. libphonon-dev provides includes in /usr/lib/kde4/include/phonon/   but qt4 expects them in  /usr/include/qt4/phonon
[12:47] <directhex> so alter your -I
[12:47] <Cheetah> meh, that's dirty
[12:48] <Cheetah> #include <phonon> is what the qt documentation says
[12:48] <mok0> Also, it doesn't work if the code has include <qt4/...>
[12:48] <Cheetah> hmm?
[12:49] <directhex> talk to debian-qt-kde, they're the original maintainers
[12:49] <Cheetah> 'kay
[13:55] <karooga> hi, how does one incorporate existing docs+examples in a new package?
[13:56] <mok0> karooga: add a package in debian/control and install the docs in that
[13:56] <jpds> karooga: Which package?
[14:00] <asomething> if using debhelper you'll likely need to call dh_installdocs and dh_installexamples in debian/rules
[14:01] <directhex> dh7!
[14:08] <slytherin> ScottK: TheMuso: Does anyone of you have some time? I wish to discuss FFE for a package that has not been synced ever from Debian (non-free).
[14:09] <directhex> coo, what?
[14:22] <directhex> bleh, i'm suffering PPA weirdness again.
[14:45] <directhex> hardy-updates problems. why don't PPAs depend on foo-updates?
[14:46] <Hobbsee> directhex: since when is this a ppa support channel?
[14:46] <Hobbsee> directhex: we don't do ppas - #launchpad does
[14:46]  * Hobbsee expects you'll get some answer about pockets and the phrase "not yet implemented"
[14:47] <Hobbsee> (same answer as why it doesn't build against backports)
[15:10] <siretart> anyone else feeling uncomfortable with having advertisments to a commercial service in /etc/motd?
[15:10] <Hobbsee> siretart: what does it say now?  i've not upgraded.
[15:10] <mok0> siretart: what service is that?
[15:11] <directhex> hotmail and msn live search!
[15:11] <mok0> directhex: yddrrk
[15:12] <mok0> ... and it isn't even April 1st
[15:16] <gaspa> doko: there's something that explain the build system of gcj package?
[15:16] <gaspa> i'd like to understand how build-depends are generated.
[15:16] <siretart> Hobbsee:   Graph these measurements at https://landscape.canonical.com
[15:16] <doko> gaspa: I don't understand the question
[15:17] <asomething> siretart: was it just updated? don't see that here...
[15:17] <gaspa> doko: gcj has b-d generated somehow, but there are some weird outputs: as "[]" and "[!none]"....
[15:18] <gaspa> i'm guessing how the rules of gcj works, in brief.
[15:18] <doko> $ apt-cache showsrc gcj-4.3 |grep Build-Depends
[15:18] <doko> Build-Depends: dpkg-dev (>= 1.14.15), debhelper (>= 5.0.62), gcc-multilib [amd64 i386 mips mipsel powerpc ppc64 s390 sparc kfreebsd-amd64], libc6.1-dev (>= 2.5) [alpha ia64] | libc0.3-dev (>= 2.5) [hurd-i386] | libc0.1-dev (>= 2.5) [kfreebsd-i386 kfreebsd-amd64] | libc6-dev (>= 2.5), libc6-dev-amd64 [i386], libc6-dev-sparc64 [sparc], libc6-dev-s390x [s390], libc6-dev-i386 [amd64], libc6-dev-powerpc [ppc64], libc6-dev-ppc64 [power
[15:18] <doko> pc], libc0.1-dev-i386 [kfreebsd-amd64], lib32gcc1 [amd64 ppc64 kfreebsd-amd64], lib64gcc1 [i386 powerpc sparc s390], libc6-dev-mips64 [mips mipsel], libc6-dev-mipsn32 [mips mipsel], libunwind7-dev (>= 0.98.5-6) [ia64], libatomic-ops-dev [ia64], m4, autoconf, automake1.9, libtool, gawk, dejagnu [!none !hurd-i386], lzma, binutils (>= 2.18.1~cvs20080103-2) [mips mipsel] | binutils-multiarch (>= 2.18.1~cvs20080103-2) [mips mipsel], b
[15:18] <doko> inutils (>= 2.17cvs20070426) | binutils-multiarch (>= 2.17cvs20070426), binutils-hppa64 (>= 2.17cvs20070426) [hppa], gperf (>= 3.0.1), bison (>= 1:2.3), flex, gettext, texinfo (>= 4.3), libmpfr-dev (>= 2.3.0), locales [!hurd-i386 !m68k], procps [!hurd-i386], sharutils, libz-dev, fastjar, libmagic-dev, libecj-java (>= 3.3.0-2), zip, libasound2-dev [!hurd-i386 !kfreebsd-i386 !kfreebsd-amd64], libxtst-dev, libxt-dev, libgtk2.0-dev (
[15:18] <doko> >= 2.4.4-2), libart-2.0-dev, libcairo2-dev, libgconf2-dev, xulrunner-1.9-dev [!none !hurd-i386], g++-4.3 [armel], gcc-4.3-source (>= 4.3.2), gcc-4.3-source (<< 4.3.3), realpath (>= 1.9.12), chrpath, lsb-release, make (>= 3.81)
[15:19] <techno_freak> flood
[15:19] <doko> Build-Depends-Indep: gjdoc
[15:19] <doko> hmm, don't see any of these
[15:19] <RainCT> dholbach: thx :P
[15:19] <doko> gaspa: look at debian/rules.conf
[15:19] <gaspa> doko: gcj-4.2, i meant
[15:19] <gaspa> :)
[15:19] <jpds> siretart: I don't see it either.
[15:19] <Hobbsee> siretart: ah, right
[15:19] <doko> gaspa: do these hurt?
[15:20] <gaspa> doko: actually i don't know. It's not policy compliant, and nobody knows how build-machine behave in this cases.
[15:21] <doko> does policy even say something about this?
[15:21] <doko> and apparently it did build
[15:22] <gaspa> yes, it builds,though policy says that bracket should specify all not-negated or all negated... so empty bracket are  confusing.
[15:23] <gaspa> i saw them running edos-debcheck, that's a bit 'fussy'...
[15:24] <gaspa> doko: perhaps it's not important nor urgent, but i'd like to understand and make it better, if I'll able to.
[15:29] <mok0> Has anyone here their own buildd system running?
[15:37] <AndyP> hi folks, do you have a good example of a well-written freeze exception request bug i can look at?
[15:39] <RainCT> dholbach: Btw, I watched to the first of the packaging jam videos yesterday (it's quite similar to what I did, but mine was through creating a single-file package from scratch instea of fixing 'colour') :). What is the second part about?
[15:41] <dholbach> RainCT: there were three tasks we worked on: generating a debdiff from a very small change, updating a package and then somebody asked me to show how to package something from scratch
[15:43] <AndyP> the reason i ask is, a new upstream bugfix release of pybackpack went into debian today and would fix 5 launchpad bugs if ubuntu syncs it, so i guess i'll need to request an exception
[15:45] <asomething> AndyP: if it's only bugfixes, not new features, it doesn't need a FFE
[15:46] <AndyP> asomething: oh, great, so what's the process?
[15:46] <karooga> whats the best way to include docs and examples in a package.  e.g. I have my_package/docs/some_docs.txt
[15:46] <karooga> sorry, i mean best way to install docs in my package?
[15:48] <asomething> AndyP: as it seems that it would be a simple sync from Debian and not a merge, file a sync request bug. it would probably be good to post the debian and upstream changelogs since the last ubuntu version to show that it's only bugfixs
[15:49] <karooga> i'm guessing just something in debian/rules?
[15:50] <AndyP> asomething: ok, thanks for your help
[15:51] <asomething> AndyP: if it will closes specific bugs on lp list those as well, helps get quicker attention
[15:52] <asomething> karooga: dh_installdocs and dh_installexamples
[15:58] <karooga> asomething: shots.
[16:02] <asomething> karooga: if there are things not being picked up automagically you can create a debian/your_package.docs file
[16:04] <karooga> asomething: the files are pretty straight forward, a txt file in the docs dir and some py scripts in an examples dir
[16:18] <pochu> nxvl: hi, any plans for terminator 0.10 in intrepid? :)
[16:19] <nxvl> pochu: nope, it doesn't involve any bug fixing, so it's quite difficult to get ACK's from the sru team
[16:19] <nxvl> pochu: i already packaged it and i'm seeking for a debian sponsor, but that's it, it will need to wait until jaunty
[16:20] <pochu> nxvl: fair enough, thank you for the info
[16:20] <directhex> which repositories do PPAs use?
[16:24] <directhex> nm, it's in a build log
[16:25] <bddebian> Heya gang
[16:28] <geser> Hi bddebian
[16:28] <iulian> Hi bddebian
[16:29] <bddebian> Hi geser, iulian
[16:29] <bddebian> iulian: Congrats! :)
[16:29] <iulian> Thanks
[17:12] <Adri2000> bug #85266 is looking for a motu-sru person
[17:27] <NCommander> ScottK, ping?
[17:30] <fabrice_sp> Hi. bug 262694 reference the package pam-pkcs11 that I'm not able to install in Intrepid. Is it normal?
[17:40] <fabrice_sp> Also, I've been ading debdiff to bug reports, with packaging changes, but without checking debian first. Is it wrong? Or debdiff for packaging are independent from Debian?
[18:39] <norsetto> fabrice_sp: was it you that raised bug 262694 ?
[18:40] <sebner> norsetto: \o/
[18:41] <norsetto> sebner: /o\
[18:41] <NCommander> !o! - sebner & norsetto :-)
[18:42] <sebner> rofl
[18:42] <NCommander> o_o;
[18:42] <sebner> norsetto hides O_o
[18:42]  * NCommander smacks the bot
[18:42] <norsetto> NCommander: don't get ubottu excited, he is DANGEROUS
[18:42] <NCommander> norsetto, :-)
[18:50] <nxvl> is there any way to check a package copyright from a .deb?
[18:50] <nxvl> using dpkg maybe
[18:51] <NCommander> nxvl, the copyright is installed to /usr/share/doc/*package*/copyright
[18:51] <NCommander> Pop the package open and take a look
[18:52] <nxvl> NCommander: i want it to be done without installing the package
[18:52] <norsetto> nxvl: just use dpkg -x
[18:52] <NCommander> nxvl, dpkg -x
[18:52] <nxvl> thenk you
[18:52]  * nxvl HUGS norsetto and NCommander
[18:52] <NCommander> !o!
[18:53] <norsetto> there we are again ...
[18:53] <NCommander> Fail
[18:53]  * norsetto calms ubottu down
[18:53] <sebner> norsetto is the bot domesticator :P
[18:54] <norsetto> sebner: this thing *bites*
[18:54] <sebner> ubottu: are you a bad toy?
[18:54] <sebner> definately not xD
[19:08] <fabrice_sp> norsetto: no. I was just trying to help, reproducing the bug (bug 262694)
[19:08] <norsetto> fabrice_sp: ok, could you reproduce?
[19:09] <fabrice_sp> I'm not able to install the package: apt-get tells me that it doesn't exists....
[19:10] <norsetto> fabrice_sp: indeed, it doesn't
[19:11] <norsetto> fabrice_sp: its a bogus bug report (probably trying to install from a PPA)
[19:11] <nxvl> norsetto: btw, i'm having problems with my e-mail accounts since canonical redirected all my ubuntu.com to my canonical e-mail, so i'm still in account migration and i don't find where i'm getting the mentoring e-mails
[19:11] <sebner> nxvl: Foss fun \o/  <----  ^^
[19:12] <nxvl> norsetto_limbo: so i will we not that active for a week or so until i migrate account
[19:12] <nxvl> norsetto_limbo: sorry about that
[19:12] <nxvl> sebner: :D
[19:12] <nxvl> sebner: fosscamp is fun
[19:12] <sebner> nxvl: Dunno, just saw your comment and made my laugh :)
[19:12] <fabrice_sp> norsetto: the package seems to exist: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pam-pkcs11
[19:13] <fabrice_sp> (for norsetto_limbo)
[19:13] <nxvl> sebner: that's the idea
[19:14] <sebner> nxvl: now you need a suit and canoncial will also hire you :P
[19:14] <nxvl> sebner: i work for canonical
[19:15] <sebner> nxvl: damn xD
[19:15] <nxvl> and have 2 suit i already left in my closet until i need to use them, that i hope won't happen soon :D
[19:15]  * sebner needs a suit :P
[19:19] <nxvl> you don't need one
[19:19] <nxvl> work from home, phone interview
[19:20] <sebner> hrhr
[20:08] <ssaboum> hi everyone
[20:09] <highvoltage> hey ssaboum
[20:12] <norsetto> nxvl: no problem, thanks for letting me know
[20:13] <nxvl> norsetto: :D
[20:14] <norsetto> fabrice_sp: thats a source package
[20:16] <mok0> norsetto: atlas still fails to build on the lpia arch
[20:16] <norsetto> mok0: ah
[20:16] <fabrice_sp> norsetto: I really thought that all source packages were compiled in binary package automatically. I'll pay more attention next time
[20:16] <mok0> norsetto: it was the same for hardy
[20:17] <norsetto> fabrice_sp: np, you have done well, its the reporter that wasted our time
[20:18] <norsetto> fabrice_sp: all source packages should provide at least a binary package, but the name is not necessarily the same (as in this case)
[20:19] <fabrice_sp> norsetto: I've just understood (thanks google!) that as it was a library, the package name was libpam-pkcs11.
[23:38] <shaunjonesfzr> OR HAVE A CRUMBLE LOL
[23:44] <Yasumoto> Does anyone know what error code 104 on the five-a-day-applet is?
[23:45] <Riddell> \sh, jdong, TheMuso: awake?
[23:47] <TheMuso> Riddell: Yeah I'm around.
[23:47] <Riddell> TheMuso: motu-sru question on bug 230027
[23:47] <Riddell> the patch uploaded is different from the one attached on the bug
[23:47] <TheMuso> ok will have a look
[23:47] <Riddell> I'd say that motu-sru need to ack it again, NCommander thinks that's not necessary
[23:48] <Riddell> who's right?
[23:48] <NCommander> Riddell, I thought you were on SRU
[23:48] <NCommander> Oh
[23:48] <NCommander> d'oh
[23:48]  * NCommander runs away
[23:48] <NCommander> Yeah, SRU needs to ack it
[23:49] <Riddell> NCommander: don't run away, we need you to attach the new patch!
[23:49] <NCommander> what new patch?
[23:49] <shaunjonesfzr> asl ! all
[23:49] <Riddell> oh, wait, failure
[23:50] <Riddell> s/ NCommander / devfil /
[23:50] <Riddell> clearly, I need to sleep
[23:50]  * NCommander uses his chainsaw on Riddell
[23:50] <TheMuso> Riddell: its already ben ACKEd.
[23:50] <NCommander> Riddell, wait, I need you to upload kdelibs!
[23:50] <devfil> Riddell: ?' you re-scared me!
[23:51] <Riddell> TheMuso: yes but it has changed.  so the question is does it need to re-ACKed?
[23:51] <TheMuso> I wouldn't think so
[23:51] <Riddell> why not?
[23:51] <Riddell> surely the job of motu-sru is to review patches and make sure they work
[23:51] <devfil> TheMuso: motu-sru ACKs the debdiff or decides if the bug is a sru?
[23:52] <TheMuso> well firstly I don't see any additions after Luca's ACK in the bug, so I don't know whats changed.
[23:52] <devfil> Riddell: I think motu-sru decides only if a bug is a sru or a backport
[23:52] <TheMuso> we do review diffs as well
[23:53] <TheMuso> but since there is no new diff after the ack in the bug, I don't know whats changed
[23:53] <Riddell> poke devfil
[23:54] <devfil> Riddell: ouch, I need to re-do the package as the other pc is broken...gh
[23:54] <Riddell> devfil: if you don't have it I can try and extract it
[23:54] <devfil> TheMuso: the change is that it uses patch from -5 instead of patch from -6
[23:54] <devfil> Riddell: if you can thanks
[23:55] <TheMuso> devfil: what do you mean?
[23:56] <Riddell> TheMuso: new diff paste on bug 230027
[23:56] <TheMuso> thats the bug I'm looking at...
[23:56] <devfil> TheMuso: in a first moment I've uploaded a patch (taken from -6), but patch from -5 works very well and is the bugfix only, so I've uploaded it
[23:58] <TheMuso> devfil: Right. So the only real changes are in the changelog entry, or are there parts of the patch that have changed also?
[23:58] <devfil> TheMuso: also the patch is changed from -5 to -6
[23:58] <TheMuso> devfil: Oh in the patch name, right.
[23:59] <devfil> -6 includes a new patch that also includes the -5 patch
[23:59] <TheMuso> what is this new patch?


[03:46] <fujioka> My cursor theme keeps changing from the one I set it to (class black) to the oxygen black theme, though in the "input devices" section under cursor theme it still says classic black is selected.
[03:47] <fujioka> It changes back after reboot, anyone know how to fix this?
[03:50] <fujioka> Nevermind, just found how to change default. Hopefully it'll respect it.
[04:06] <ralph> Hi @ all
[04:08] <ralph> Is it a bug to have 44k files in /var/tmp/kdecache-<user>/http/ ?
[04:09] <ralph> And whats the argumentlist limit for rm * ? it couldnt delete 44k files at once...
[04:14] <gr8m8> that's alot of files...
[04:14] <e_t_> ralph: can you try deleting the http directory with "rm -rf http"? you can always recreate it.
[04:17] <fanfare> e_t_: already deleted it... was just surprised  rm saying "argumentlist too long" or so
[04:18] <fanfare> would you mind checking how many files you have in /var/tmp/kdecache-<user>/http ?
[04:19] <fanfare> i mean i had nearly 3G in there ... more than my download folder :-)
[04:27] <e_t_> fanfare: I've gotten that error before. I don't think it's a bug so much as a program limitation. I've seen suggestions to use xargs. It would be something like "ls|xargs rm" (probably not right, but an example). This would call rm a bunch of times instead of trying to rm a bunch of files at once.
[04:30] <fanfare> e_t_: so even basic shell commands have theyr limits... so 44kis an unusual number of files even under linux...
[04:31] <e_t_> All programs have limits. All computing power is finite, however modern systems are a lot less finite than older ones.
[04:32] <fanfare> e_t_: maybe this is just because its my spare system... the other cpu burned down...
[04:41] <e_t_> If it were hardware, you'd probably get an out-of-memory error. Something like "argument list too long" is programming and you'd get it even on a supercomputer.
[04:46] <fanfare_> thx bb
[04:59] <Poyntz> ayy.. anyone know how to make compisiting enabled on startup?
[04:59] <Poyntz> *compositing
[05:07] <saeia> +
[05:12] <saeia> is there anyway to up gamma in pictures alone?
[05:42] <fish__> trying to install: after lang. screen, goes to start screen. unlike in instructions, there is no "try" and "install options... just "start" ...then it just cranks the hd while screen is black.
[05:44] <fish__> start/check hd/check ram/ boot from 1st hd. those are the options given.
[06:02] <ignerious> i am having a problem with plymouth manager
[06:04] <ignerious> please help
[06:05] <gr8m8> what sort of problem?
[06:08] <ignerious> on starting it ishowing error"21 Out of bounds. Fmain.?.0"
[06:08] <ignerious> it is not starting
[06:08] <ignerious> can you fix it
[06:10] <gr8m8> dunno I'll have a search for the error
[06:12] <gr8m8> nothing returned on that you'll have to get the exact error
[06:15] <ignerious> which version of kubuntu are you using
[06:28] <ignerious> can any one tell me how to change the kubuntu boot splash screen
[08:26] <ubuntu> how to install flash player on Kubuntu
[08:26] <gr8m8> !flash
[08:41] <genewitch> how do i fix the error that sudoers is 0640 and should be 0440?
[08:41] <genewitch> i installed a samba browser that has that problem, and has since before August
[08:41] <genewitch> didn't know prior to installing it though
[08:42] <gr8m8> does   sudo chmod -v 0440 /etc/sudoers   work?
[08:43] <genewitch> no, because i can't use sudo.
[08:43] <genewitch> sudo errors saying sudoers is 0640 instead of 0440
[08:43] <gr8m8> k
[08:44] <genewitch> the only thing i can find online is to do something when grub appears but i never see that. i think my bootloader is broken, i can only boot if the usb stick that i installed from is inserted
[08:45] <gr8m8> sounds like you put grub on the usb
[08:45] <genewitch> is there a grub -install command?
[08:45] <gr8m8> I would try from a live cd to do the chmod
[08:46] <genewitch> if i have to take the time to do that i may as well just reinstall and hopefully fix the other issue
[08:46] <gr8m8> in a terminal do   grub-   and hit the tab key twice to see what grub apps are installed
[08:46] <gr8m8> but you need sudo to run the grub apps
[08:49] <genewitch> yeah i am going to reinstall. a note to maintainers: don't push packages that have the "security vulnerability" flag set on bugtraq.
[08:50] <gr8m8> genewitch: do you have a seperate home partition?
[08:50] <gr8m8> it makes reinstalls easier
[08:50] <genewitch> no, lvm whole disk
[08:50] <gr8m8> ok
[08:50] <genewitch> i'll do that this time though
[08:51] <gr8m8> saves all the configs and dot files in your home folder, bookmarks too
[11:56] <canmatt> anyone hit a problem after an update that rolled out a day or two ago? something like -- kmail: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libkabc.so.4: invalid ELF header  ?
[12:01] <canmatt> guess i'll have to ask after work
[12:12] <kosmonaut> hi! How do i search/find a folder in kubuntu...i can find files, texts...but no folders, any ideas?!
[12:14] <kosmonaut> some1 has to explain how I do this folder search ;-)
[12:16] <valorie> kosmonaut: folders are files
[12:17] <valorie> so you can search for the folder name in the file search
[12:17] <valorie> in linux, everything is a file
[12:17] <valorie> or the contents of a file
[12:19] <kosmonaut> valorie: thx...ehm...call me stupid, but I (or nepomuk) does not find the folder calles "Downloads" it finds a looot of thing but not the folder
[12:20] <valorie> ok -- I usually search for files in Dolphin or Konq
[12:21] <valorie> or use the sudo updatedb / locate method
[12:21] <valorie> old fashioned, I guess
[12:21] <valorie> and not smart enough to grep well
[12:22] <kosmonaut> valorie: jupp...well I know about "locate"...but, I want this nepumuk-stuff to work as I want it to ;-)
[12:23] <kosmonaut> valorie: if you use the "semnatic" search in dolphin, do you find folders? Or I am to dumm to do so?
[12:23] <kosmonaut> semantic
[12:25] <cico> hi
[12:25] <valorie> hmmm, I never have done so
[12:26] <valorie> I keep getting the message that indexing has shut down
[12:26] <valorie> so I figure it wouldn't be that good anyway
[12:26] <kosmonaut> valorie: could you try it, please
[12:26] <valorie> also, I pretty much know where things are in my filesystem
[12:26] <kosmonaut> valorie: I DONT :-D
[12:26] <kosmonaut> lol
[12:27] <valorie> Tools > Find File is what I use
[12:27] <valorie> where is the semantic search?
[12:27] <kosmonaut> valorie: in dolphin is a field called "search"
[12:28] <kosmonaut> top right
[12:29] <kosmonaut> valorie: oh...i got it ...Extra->find
[12:29] <kosmonaut> ok...thanks
[12:29] <valorie> hmmm, maybe mine is set up different
[12:31] <valorie> I don't recall doing much configuration......
[12:31] <kosmonaut> valorie: nevermind...i found what I was looking for...
[12:32] <valorie> cool
[12:37] <darthanubis> libkdepim4
[13:01] <darthanubis> Select failed, server replied: A000024 NO Unknown Mailbox: ( now in authenticated state ) ( Failure ) [ Gmail  ]
[13:02] <vmt> Hello all, how can I change the screen resolution on command line?
[13:03] <gr8m8> xrandr to find out your choices then xrandr -s 1280x1024 for example vmt
[13:04] <vmt> thanks Ill try it
[13:40] <j0shu4> :)
[13:46] <darthanubis> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=258635
[14:23] <BluesKaj> hiyas
[14:50] <thiago_> Anyone knows how to put the copy progress dialog back to kubuntu's default?
[14:52] <BluesKaj> thiago_, do you mean in the panel ?
[14:53] <thiago_> yes
[14:53] <thiago_> I installed Colibri notification system
[14:53] <thiago_> but its seems it didnt work after reboot
[14:54] <thiago_> now the progress bar goes in a dialog instead of the integrated system
[14:54] <thiago_> you know what I mean BluesKaj?
[14:54] <thiago_> BluesKaj, ?
[14:55] <BluesKaj> yes thiago_ , but sorry i dunno ,,thought it would be in the widgets , but it's not there
[14:57] <JeroenDeDauw> I have a Kubuntu 10.04 install which for some reason I can't update to 10.10. When I run the dist upgrade, it aborts "with exit code 1". This install is also having problems with installing several apps such as vlc and firefox. Anyone an idea what might be wrong?
[14:57] <James147> JeroenDeDauw: what happens if you run "sudo apt-get update"?
[14:58] <JeroenDeDauw> James147: Not sure, I'm not at this machine right now.
[14:59] <James147> JeroenDeDauw: :S not much I can do then with that infomation sorry :(
[14:59] <BluesKaj> JeroenDeDauw, didt upgrade merely updates kde apps, the new command is , sudo do-release-upgrade
[15:00] <BluesKaj> err dist upgrade
[15:01] <James147> BluesKaj: either way, there appears to be something wrong with apt or dpkg... would be best to fix that before trying an do-release...
[15:02] <BluesKaj> yeah maybe he has ppas that need to be taken out
[15:05] <James147> JeroenDeDauw: It would be helpful if you could come back when your at the computer, otherwise, try running "sudo apt-get update" and see if there are any errors... "sudo apt-get install  -f" may help depending on the problem though
[15:06] <BluesKaj> JeroenDeDauw, have you added any ppa repositories for special applications or driver versions to you sources.list or package manager?
[15:09] <JeroenDeDauw> James147: This is what I get when doing "do-dist-upgrade": http://dpaste.org/KiGg/
[15:10] <JeroenDeDauw> BluesKaj: I installed this Kubuntu a few months back from a cd I just burned then, and it has not been used since (so no special stuff has been added)
[15:11] <BluesKaj> JeroenDeDauw, have you updated since the install?
[15:12] <James147> JeroenDeDauw: I suggest trying to upgrade before trying the do-release "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dost-upgrade"
[15:13] <JeroenDeDauw> James147: I updated everything already via the Kubuntu update GUI thinghy
[15:13] <James147> JeroenDeDauw: also, it if hasent beene used then you might consider a reinstall using a new cd (note if you have a 1gig flash drive space you can use that instead of a cd)
[15:13] <BluesKaj> hehe James147 , grat minds think alike .................. 	 woin't quote the rest :)
[15:14] <BluesKaj> still think you need to sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-ger upgrade , JeroenDeDauw
[15:15] <JeroenDeDauw> BluesKaj: sure
[15:15] <BluesKaj> don't copy and paste mine JeroenDeDauw , use James147
[15:15]  * James147 suggest dist-upgrade rather then just upgrade
[15:15] <timo_> hi. looking for help with netbook edition. it seems horribly broken.
[15:16] <James147> Guest2317: would help to know how its "hottibly broken"
[15:18] <timoc> sorry about that
[15:18] <timoc> so yes, broken.
[15:18] <timoc> have an eepc 701. Tried 10 times last night to install it on various configurations.
[15:19] <timoc> livecd boots (from usb stick)  but it does not complete grubconfig properly.
[15:19] <timoc> when i boot up it drops into the default menu option - memtest.
[15:19] <timoc> poke about, and see nothing in /boot/grub, and no kernel or initrs in /boot.
[15:20] <James147> timoc: what version?
[15:20] <timoc> latest (10.04.1) . and yes i checke the md5sum
[15:20] <timoc> netbook dis
[15:20] <timoc> dist
[15:20] <James147> timoc: 10.10 is the latest
[15:20] <James147> (note that 10.10 has the netbook edition rolled into the standard one)
[15:21] <timoc> not where i was looking. http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download -> check the md5 sum list
[15:22] <James147> timoc: yes, here: da50a1ddb22060a2abda6823c9d1148d  kubuntu-10.10-desktop-i386.iso
[15:23] <James147> as I said, the netbook edition has been rolled into the desktop version, the installer new detects when you have and chooses... you can switch between them once its installed
[15:23] <timoc> 10.10 being the rolled in, missed that.
[15:24] <timoc> will try that tonight. but none the less 10.04.1 is still broken for me.
[15:25] <James147> timoc: yeah... not entirly sure why
[15:25] <timoc> is this a known issue? the kernel not copying itself to /boot and no grub menu config being created?
[15:25] <James147> havent seen it mentioned before
[15:28] <EvilRoey> hey all
[15:29] <EvilRoey> I hae a setup with an NVidia card and the KDE 4.6 second beta.  How do I make the monitor to the left the primary one?  Right now when I scroll the mouse to the leftmost edge of the left monitor, it wraps to the rightmost edge of the right one.  I'd like to just be able to move the mouse across both desktops through the middle.
[15:30] <EvilRoey> s/hae/have
[15:30] <James147> EvilRoey: "kdesudo nvidia-settings" to configure it... assuming you have the binary drivers insalled
[15:31] <EvilRoey> I did that
[15:31] <EvilRoey> I've tried it with both monitors as primary.. it doesn't chagne anything
[15:32] <James147> EvilRoey: drag the displays
[15:32] <BluesKaj> EvilRoey,  nvidia-xconfig  /
[15:32] <BluesKaj>    /
[15:33] <BluesKaj> ?
[15:33] <EvilRoey> ok got it:
[15:33] <EvilRoey> I dragged the monitor around the other in 'nvidia-settings'
[15:33] <EvilRoey> that worked
[15:33] <BluesKaj> without the  /
[15:33] <James147> BluesKaj: nvidia-settings to set it up, xconfig only creates a xorg file, which he should already have
[15:33] <BluesKaj> maybe not
[15:33] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj:  I did nvidia-settings
[15:33] <saeia> whats your problem EvilRoey?
[15:33] <James147> BluesKaj: as far as I know nvidia-settings will create one if you dont, and so dose installing the drivers :)
[15:34] <EvilRoey> saeia:  (I fixed it, but here it is again for you to read): I have a setup with an NVidia card and the KDE 4.6 second beta.  How do I make the monitor to the left the primary one?  Right now when I scroll the mouse to the leftmost edge of the left monitor, it wraps to the rightmost edge of the right one.  I'd like to just be able to move the mouse across both desktops through the middle.
[15:34] <BluesKaj> yes but do nvidia-xconfig just to be sure
[15:34] <EvilRoey> xconfig, ok
[15:34] <James147> EvilRoey: i wouldnt
[15:34] <EvilRoey> I love how the icons on the panel no longer respond with kde 4.6 beta 2 ppas.
[15:34] <James147> EvilRoey: that will reset the settings and you ill have to do it again
[15:34] <saeia> EvilRoey:  twindisplay is working for you and maximizing to the same moniter and such?
[15:34] <James147> EvilRoey: yeah.... I am getting taht as well :(
[15:34] <maco> EvilRoey: devel is a better channel to point that out...
[15:34] <EvilRoey> well I made it write an xorg.conf file
[15:35] <EvilRoey> James147:  and this is the second installation where I see this
[15:35] <EvilRoey> saeia:  yes
[15:35] <EvilRoey> James147:  I wrote to xorg.conf so I assume it will stick, yes?
[15:35] <EvilRoey> maco:  good balmy morning
[15:35] <James147> EvilRoey: should do
[15:35] <EvilRoey> maco:  weather's not evil today, apparently
[15:35] <EvilRoey> James147:  woohoo
[15:36] <saeia> Hum  guess linux just hates me >>;
[15:36] <EvilRoey> nono, God hates you.
[15:36] <EvilRoey> Linux is just canned dirt
[15:36] <saeia> I see.
[15:36] <EvilRoey> so are computers in general, for that matter.
[15:36] <EvilRoey> don't worry though, it's not linux
[15:36] <saeia> its the error between keyboard and moniter?
[15:37] <EvilRoey> between chair and starry heavens.
[15:37] <saeia> i think that would be bed.
[15:37] <saeia> computerdesk agasint bed = <3
[15:37] <EvilRoey> I would like to move computer desk into bed and then could stay in bed
[15:37] <EvilRoey> :)
[15:37] <saeia> thats what i did
[15:37] <EvilRoey> saeia:  hey, you're in va
[15:38] <saeia> Yeah
[15:38] <EvilRoey> Cool
[15:38] <EvilRoey> same here.
[15:38] <EvilRoey> sorta.
[15:38] <maco> i thought you were in md, EvilRoey
[15:38]  * maco is in va for 1 more day
[15:38] <saeia> where are you EvilRoey?
[15:38] <EvilRoey> maco:  I live in Bethesda (center of the world) and work in Fairfax
[15:39] <EvilRoey> saeia:  bethesda/fairfax
[15:39] <saeia> Oh dont the super mutaints bother you? o_O
[15:39] <maco> ah. i live in arlington for 1 more day and quit my job in fairfax :)
[15:39] <saeia> can i have it maco?
[15:39] <maco> saeia: the congress critters?
[15:40] <EvilRoey> hee hee
[15:40] <EvilRoey> saeia:  don't worry, the super mutants in bethesda have cell phones.. they don't bother anyone else walking down the street, they're lost in their own cell phone world
[15:42] <saeia> EvilRoey:  you should like get me a job
[15:43] <EvilRoey> saeia:  asl?
[15:43] <EvilRoey> joke, joke.
[15:44] <EvilRoey> what I meant is:  PM me with an educational background, etc.
[15:44]  * maco gives EvilRoey the evileye
[15:44]  * EvilRoey blinks his standard complement of evil eyes + new one
[15:44] <EvilRoey> blink-blink-blink
[15:50]  * BluesKaj tries to ignore the beltway insider lingo :)
[15:50] <kenneth_> hello
[15:50] <timoc> thanks for the help
[15:51] <kenneth_> whats up
[15:52] <BluesKaj> not much kenneth_, got a question?
[15:52] <BluesKaj> too late
[15:52] <BluesKaj> not much kenneth_, got a question?
[15:53] <kenneth_> how can i instal vlc on kubuntu
[15:54] <James147> kenneth_: run: "sudo apt-get install vlc" or search for it in kpackagekit
[15:54] <kenneth_> can you hear mee
[15:54] <James147> kenneth_: yes :) but we need time to reply :D
[15:54] <kenneth_> ok
[15:59] <kenneth_> my pc sound is not caming on kubuntu 10.10 but when i change the operating systen to windows 7 is working, pls can you help me
[16:04] <James147> kenneth_: run in a terminal "alsamixer" makesure non of the chanels are low/muted
[16:06] <kenneth_> ok
[16:10] <kenneth_> i have down that but i cant hear anything.. please help me
[16:11] <James147> kenneth_: run "speaker-test", can you hear anything (ctrl=c to stop it)
[16:11] <James147> s/=/+
[16:15] <kenneth_> no i cant hear anything... please
[16:18] <BluesKaj> kenneth_, look at the alsamixer controls , make sure there is no "M" in the box at the bottom , use the M key to unmute any of them , and use the arrow keys to navigate in alsamixer
[16:20] <BluesKaj> kenneth_, speaker test in the terminal,  speaker-test -c2 -Ddefault -t wav
[16:26] <liliput> seid gegrüß ihr kubuntu nutzer
[16:26] <BluesKaj> !de | liliput
[16:27] <liliput> danke dir
[16:27] <liliput> thanks
[16:31] <kenneth_> when i run speaker-test in the terminal, what i see is Time per period, 0-fornt let
[16:33] <kenneth_> is working
[16:33] <kenneth_> thank you very much
[16:37] <kenneth_> please can you help with me cam
[16:38] <darthanubis> http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=91719
[16:45] <pearse> how do I find installed programs not on kick-start menu please?
[16:47] <rork> pearse: via the search in kickstart, start typing in Alt+F2, or ls /usr/bin/*partialname*
[17:00] <kenneth_> i just install samba, please can you help me help me to find the pc around me...
[17:02] <James147> kenneth_: to see other computers go to dolhpin > Network (on the places panel) > Samba Shares > Your workgroup ...
[17:04] <kenneth_> thanks i get it
[17:05] <orsetto> hello everybody
[17:05] <James147> Hi orsetto
[17:06] <pearse_> lthanks rork: Alt + F2 drops kickstart down screen out of site; second option does not produce any reaction
[17:07] <darthanubis> any 4.6beta2 users? using KDEPIM4.6?
[17:07] <darthanubis> from the experimental ppa?
[17:07] <darthanubis> no? ok.
[17:09] <orsetto> i've need of a little help. i'm italian then i'm sorry for my ugly english. i've kubuntu 10.10 but even in older versions i've never understand how to use the plasma-folders
[17:09] <darthanubis> !it
[17:09] <orsetto> how i can put into this my favourite applications?
[17:09] <rork> pearse: sorry I mixed up kickoff and kickstart
[17:10] <James147> orsetto: the folder-view widget is for displaying a folder n your desktop... not really used for launching applications, however, you can just drag and drop applcation from the kmenu to the desktop
[17:11] <pearse_> rork:apologies my error - should have typed kickoff
[17:11] <rork> :)
[17:11] <rork> pearse: did you find it? what program are you looking for?
[17:12] <pearse_> rork: no - the program is Python
[17:13] <James147> pearse_: python is a command line program
[17:14] <James147> pearse_: an interperter to be exact... but either way, you execute it in a terminal, unless your trying to run a script from it
[17:14] <kenneth_> how can i use my webcam on kubuntu 10.10 please help me
[17:14] <James147> pearse_: if you are then alt+f2: "python SCTIPT"   should run it
[17:15] <orsetto> James147, thanks but i've already tried that you said. I've the application-icon on my desktop but not in plasma desktop folder
[17:16] <James147> orsetto: not entirly sure what you are tring to do...
[17:18] <orsetto> If I drag and drop application from kmenu to the desktop i see it on my desktop but not in the plasma desktop folder
[17:20] <James147> orsetto: yes, thats how its designed to work, if you want to drag it to the folder widget, open dolphin and navagate to the folder you want it in then drag it from the menu to dolphin
[17:20] <James147> ... although I am not sure why you need to :)
[17:26] <pearse_> James147: thanks but my underlying problem is that all installed programs do not show up in Kickoff leaving me scrabbling around trying to find them: an example at random = Gtypist
[17:27] <James147> pearse_: you can add them to the menu manually then... right click the menu > edit menu  or run kmenuedit
[17:34] <fish_> on the first install screen (after) langusge scr.) i am given the option to start kubuntu/test ram/ck hd/boot 1st hd.  documentation says there should be
[17:35] <fish_> install or run from cd
[17:35] <fish_> start kubuntu just makes hd rumble
[17:36] <fish_> multi disks/versions tried
[17:36] <James147> fish_: start kubuntu is the option you want... the install/run opption now comes later after that
[17:36] <James147> fish_: have you checked the disk? and done an md5 on the iso?
[17:36] <fish_> oh, i get a black screen and lots of hd activity
[17:37] <fish_> y all ok
[17:37] <James147> hmm..
[17:39] <James147> fish_: try removing quite splash from the boot options (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions)... see if it give you any information
[17:40] <fish_> ok thanks
[17:43] <pearse_> James147: many thanks - kmenuedit hit the spot
[18:24] <micha787_> Hi
[18:46] <zoiss> hey guys. i've got a little problem with my rekonq (always newest version from daily). If i want to start i get an plasma error message coming up: "KDEInit kann „/usr/bin/rekonq“ nicht starten.", which means that KDEInit is not able to start rekonq. but rekonq starts properly ...is there a way to get that error dialog away?
[18:54] <noober> hello, is someone aware of a possibility to switch off compositing only for one window in KDE4?
[19:03] <Snowhog> noober: compositing is system wide and is either 'on' or 'off'. What do you want to change on the window?
[19:05] <noober> @Snowhog i'm trying to run Alpha Centauri and the game is translucent when compositing is turned on
[19:07] <sahko> hi, how can i change the korganizer clock on the taskbar to 24hour time indication?
[19:08] <Snowhog> noober: Right-click on the window title bar, click on Advanced > Special Application Settings > Preferences and check Active opacity in % and change to Force and reduce the setting.
[19:09] <Snowhog> sahko: You have to make the change in System Settings.
[19:09] <noober> @Snowhog for compiz, you have to do this: No ARGB Visuals, so i don't think that it's the transparency problem
[19:09] <sahko> great, where is exactly i cant find it. mind that thats not the default in KDE
[19:10] <Snowhog> noober: Sorry. I don't use compiz, so I can't assist.
[19:10] <Snowhog> sahko: What version of KDE are you using?
[19:11] <noober> @Snowhog yes, me neither :) but i guess it's system wide as you've said
[19:11] <noober> @Snowhog thanks!
[19:11] <sahko> the one that in 10.10, 4.5.1 unless the update thats running atm will change that.
[19:11] <sahko> which i doubt
[19:13] <Snowhog> sahko: System Settings > Locale > Time & Dates and click on the Time Format to select HH:MM:SS
[19:13] <sahko> ah didnt look there. let me see
[19:14] <sahko> Snowhog: its already that way.. and time on bottom is 24hour there
[19:14] <sahko> on bottom of the tab of the settings window
[19:18] <sahko> brb
[19:23] <Guest36671> hmm time automagically changed after the reboot.
[19:24] <Guest36671> one other thing,  whats the package that tries to be interactive in consoles, virtual or not?
[19:24] <Guest36671> i would like to remove it, hopefully without breaking anything
[19:25] <Guest36671> the one that for example if i type 'lsl /home ' tells me cant find lsl but theres ls in coreutils
[19:25] <Snowhog> Guest36671: That's because the command is ls -l
[19:26] <Guest36671> did you read my question? whats the name of the package that does that?
[19:29] <Snowhog> Guest36671: I'm not understanding your question. ls is part of the package coreutils. You don't want to remove coreutils.
[19:29] <Guest36671> i want the name of the package that tells me that ls is part of coreutils, not coreutils.
[19:30] <Guest36671> the package that produces this output:
[19:30] <Guest36671> lsl
[19:30] <Guest36671> No command 'lsl' found, did you mean:
[19:30] <Guest36671>  Command 'lsh' from package 'lsh-client' (universe)
[19:30] <yofel> Guest36671: you mean what prints the <No command 'lsl' found, did you mean: ...'?
[19:30] <FloodBotK3> Guest36671: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:30] <Guest36671> bingo
[19:30] <yofel> ah, that would be the 'command-not-found' package
[19:31] <Guest36671> thank you, i hope it doesnt depend on ubuntu-core or something
[19:31] <yofel> Depends: python (<< 2.8), python (>= 2.6), python-central (>= 0.6.11), python-apt, command-not-found-data, python-gdbm, lsb-release
[19:34] <Snowhog> Guest36671: apt-cache showpkg command-not-found shows you the dependencies of the package.
[19:35] <Guest36671> i meant reverse dependencies.
[19:36] <Snowhog> Guest36671: reverse depends are shown as ubuntu-standard,command-not-found
[19:36] <Guest36671> 131kb of wasted space cleared
[19:36] <Guest36671> but now i get lsl
[19:36] <Guest36671> /usr/bin/python: can't find '__main__.py' in '/usr/share/command-not-found'
[19:36] <Guest36671> wtf
[19:37] <Guest36671> ah its in /etc/bash.bashrc
[19:38] <Guest36671> yay
[19:38] <Guest36671> !
[19:38] <Guest36671> begone
[20:55] <thomi> Hi, I can't seem to get the "Split View Left/Right" or "Split View Top/Bottom" keyboard shortcuts for konsole working in Kubuntu 10.10. Am I missing something?
[20:55] <thomi> The konsole menu has them listed as CTRL+SHIFT+( and CTRL+SHIFT+)
[20:56] <thomi> But hammering that key combination doesn't seem to do anything at all.
[21:05] <James147> thomi: heh, your right... think i see the problem, its set to crtl+shift+(  when it should be ctrl+(  (you need to hold shift to get '( ' ) reassign the shortcut in the menu to fix it
[21:11] <tilted_mind> I want to create a hotkey combination that sends keystrokes to an application.  I created a Custom Shortcut that is the type Send Keyboard Input.  I created the trigger for the keystroke I want to use to fire it off.  In Action I selected the window, and put Ctrl+m in the top window.  It doesn't work (nothing happens) any suggestions?
[21:14] <tilted_mind> Specifically I am trying to mute the last.fm player.  It has a keyboard shortcut built in that uses Ctrl+m to mute it.  I want to do the same without opening the app first.
[21:14] <tilted_mind> But don't want to mute my whole system.
[21:26] <redstar1932> hola
[21:29] <James147> tilted_mind: from what I can tell they are not ment for global shorcuts (they will only work if the window has focus)
[21:38] <tilted_mind> hmm.  ok
[21:39] <tilted_mind> is there anyother way to create a global shortcut to an app?
[21:39] <tilted_mind> James147: thanks for the reply.  I will keep working at it.
[21:40] <James147> tilted_mind: check kmixer, see if it has a seperate chanel for it...
[21:42] <tilted_mind> James147: I see in playback streams it has Alsa plug-in [last.fm]
[21:43] <James147> tilted_mind: and muting it/changing the volume of it dose so for last.fm?
[21:44] <tilted_mind> James147: yes, there are two, and one of them affects the app.
[21:44] <James147> tilted_mind: then you can make it your master chanel... then kmix wont affect your system volume but that app instead
[21:44] <James147> not perfect solution but it should work
[21:45] <tilted_mind> James147: thanks, I will try that.
[21:47] <tilted_mind> James147: that works great.  Just what I needed.  Thanks!
[21:48] <jeltsch> I want to switch from a local KOrganizer calendar to CalDAV. How can I “upload“ the *.ics file to a CalDAV server?
[23:13] <canmatt> anyone still watching the channel at this time?
[23:14] <Snowhog> canmatt: Your question?
[23:14] <rtdos> what's a good internet radio player for kubuntu?
[23:15] <canmatt> yes. I have Kubuntu 10.10 and there was an update 24 to 72 hours ago, and I had to reboot this morning  and now neither kMail nor kopete start up, i get: kmail: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libkabc.so.4: invalid ELF header
[23:15] <dasKreech> amarok?
[23:15] <rtdos> thanks, dasKreech
[23:16] <canmatt> i get the same error when tryingto launch kopete
[23:19] <canmatt> Snowhog: and that's all the console tells me when I try to launch through it
[23:21] <Snowhog> canmatt: In a console type:  ls -la /usr/lib/libkabc*   The results should all be symlinks to a single library file named libkabc.so.4.5.0. Is that the case for you?
[23:22] <Snowhog> canmatt: IF you are using KDE 4.5.4 that is.
[23:22] <canmatt> i'm supposed to have the KDE that comes with a brand spanking new install of Kubuntu 10.10
[23:23] <canmatt> 4.5.1
[23:24] <Snowhog> canmatt: How do you perform your updates:  KPackagekit, or ?
[23:24] <canmatt> Snowhog: I suppose that the update assumes I'm using 4.5.4?
[23:25] <canmatt> the little gear that appears in the icon tray next to the clock, so KPackageKit I assume
[23:26] <canmatt> psht! his makes me feel like I'm on the other end of what I do for a living...
[23:26] <Snowhog> canmatt: Not unless you added the kubuntu-ppa/ppa repository.
[23:27] <canmatt> this*
[23:27] <Snowhog> In a console, type:  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install -f  to see if any packages were missed and/or didn't get fully installed.
[23:28] <canmatt> Snowhog: okay, giving it a whirl
[23:28] <canmatt> Snowhog: reports that three packages were not upgraded
[23:31] <canmatt> I try a apt-get upgrade?
[23:31] <Snowhog> canmatt: No. What were the three packages?
[23:31] <canmatt> does not say
[23:31] <canmatt> and i know not the command for apt to tell me so
[23:32] <Snowhog> canmatt: When you ran sudo apt-get install -f  it told you there were three packages, but didn't name them?
[23:33] <canmatt> i'll run it separately
[23:33] <canmatt> all I get is "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded."
[23:34] <Snowhog> canmatt: Okay. In the console run:  sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:36] <canmatt> Snowhog: Says it's going to update linux-generic, linux-headers-generic, linux-image-generic
[23:36] <canmatt> upgrade* sorry
[23:36] <canmatt> Guess it can not hurt to let it happen
[23:36] <Snowhog> canmatt: Accept it and let it upgrade the indicated packages.
[23:37] <Snowhog> canmatt: So those are the only items identified for upgrading?
[23:37] <Snowhog> *updating
[23:38] <Macer> hm. anybody with an nv240 have issues getting kubuntu to not freeze up when trying to start kde?
[23:39] <Macer> i just tried a fresh install and it kind of hangs when the video swaps off the vesa console. i tried going into recovery mode and seeing about installing the nvidia xserver but still have the same issue
[23:40] <canmatt> Snowhog:  yes those were all
[23:40] <Macer> hangs on the gui live cd as well. had to use the alternate install cd
[23:40] <Macer> maybe i will just yank the nv240 and use the onboard stuff
[23:41] <Snowhog> canmatt: Have you done any customization of Kubuntu since you installed? Specifically, have you added any third-party repositories, or installed any packages not using Kpackagekit and/or sudo apt-get install?
[23:42] <James147> Macer: try adding vga=771 to the boot prematers (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions)
[23:42] <canmatt> Snowhog: I may have, let me scroll the command history
[23:44] <Macer> James147: ok. i will try that when i get the chance
[23:45] <canmatt> Snowhog:  i ran libdvdread4/install-css.sh as well as installed whois with apt-get install
[23:46] <Snowhog> canmatt: Those would not have created any issues.
[23:46] <Snowhog> canmatt: Are you comfortable working from the console?
[23:47] <canmatt> Snowhog: yes, even though I don't have 3 tons of experience with it :)
[23:47] <canmatt> <3 yakuake
[23:48] <Snowhog> canmatt: Since your install of Kubuntu, and since the reboot when the problem presented, did you launch any GUI application from the console using sudo?
[23:49] <canmatt> nope, only those two to see what they'd dump
[23:50] <Snowhog> canmatt: Are you positive that your Kmail and Kopete problem occured after a reboot? They were working fine before, and after the last round of updates?
[23:51] <canmatt> actually, i rebooted this morning because pretty much nothing responded anymore and I sort of suspect Kmail to have cause the problem because it was missing from the list of apps in the panel
[23:52] <James147> canmatt: could you create a new user and see if they work on them, that will show you if its a config problem or not
[23:52] <canmatt> sure
[23:54] <canmatt> Snowhog: should i reboot now that it's done upgrading the kernel or i can leave that for after fixing this issue (or doing everything possible)?
[23:55] <Snowhog> canmatt: Reboot. Check everything out once you've logged in to the desktop. See if Kmail and kopete work again.
[23:55] <canmatt> if not then i give the test user a go?
[23:55] <James147> canmatt: yup
[23:55] <canmatt> alright, there i poof


[06:45] <YoBoY> goodmorning
[07:19] <markjones> hey YoBoY
[07:29] <YoBoY> hi markjones
[08:02] <dholbach> good morning!
[08:48] <toabctl> hi
[08:51] <dholbach> hey toabctl
[11:50] <czajkowski> aloha
[12:06] <kinouchou> hello
[13:35] <mhall119> dholbach: czajkowski: cjohnston: http://family.ubuntu-fl.org/mhall/community-website-foundation/
[13:37] <czajkowski> :)
[13:37] <dholbach> mhall119, good work!
[13:44] <mhall119> man, gwibber won't stay authorized with identi.ca
[13:44] <mhall119> :(
[14:59] <geothom> hello everybody
[15:03] <mhall119> morning
[15:11] <czajkowski> jtoomey: aloha
[15:11] <czajkowski> jtoomey: mhall119 might be able to help
[15:11] <jtoomey> yo!
[15:12] <czajkowski> or just explainign where you are having issues, dholbach does a bit of packaging
[15:12] <jtoomey> really? that would be awesome...
[15:12] <mhall119> what might I be able to help with?
[15:12] <jtoomey> packaging.....
[15:13] <dholbach> what's the problem?
[15:13] <jtoomey> im trying to build gnome-disk-utility into a deb from the source (which i found on launchpad)
[15:13] <jtoomey> im using these instructions: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/01/how-to-create-deb-package-ubuntu-debian.html
[15:14] <dholbach> isn't that packaged already?
[15:14] <dholbach> what are you trying to do? :)
[15:15] <jtoomey> well..... i would really like to (read: my manager wants me to) modify the app slightly to add some extra functionality...
[15:16] <jtoomey> but i would like to use the ubuntu sources from launchpad rather than the vanilla source from the gnome git repo.... if that makes sense...
[15:16] <dholbach> ok
[15:16] <dholbach> the easiest way is:
[15:16] <dholbach> (make sure you have deb-src lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list or go to settings → administration → software sources → ubuntu sources (or something))
[15:17] <dholbach> sudo apt-get update
[15:17] <dholbach> sudo apt-get install devscripts; sudo apt-get build-dep gnome-disk-utility
[15:17] <dholbach> apt-get source gnome-disk-utility
[15:17] <dholbach> cd gnome-disk-utility-*
[15:17] <dholbach> patch -p1 < ../your-patch-with-new-functionality
[15:17] <dholbach> debuild -us -uc && sudo debi
[15:17] <dholbach> done
[15:17] <dholbach> (in theory :))
[15:18] <mhall119> might want to explain what some of those do
[15:18] <jtoomey> :O
[15:18]  * czajkowski hugs dholbach
[15:18] <dholbach> "apt-get source" gets the source
[15:18] <dholbach> "apt-get build-dep" install necessary build dependencies
[15:18] <dholbach> "debuild -us -uc" builds the package without trying to sign it afterwards
[15:19] <dholbach> "sudo debi" installs it
[15:20] <mhall119> to clarify, "apt-get source" downloads the source of the *package* in the repositories, not just the source of the app, so you have all the package configurations and build scripts you need
[15:21] <mhall119> "build-dep" will check to see what tools and libs are needed to build the package, and will install those for you
[15:21] <jtoomey> ah ok cool
[15:21] <mhall119> between the two, you will have everything you need to re-build the package in the same way it is build for Ubuntu
[15:22] <jtoomey> ok.. when you say cd gnome-disk-utility, where is that dir?
[15:22] <dholbach> it should be right there where you ran "apt-get source"
[15:22]  * dholbach hugs czajkowski, jtoomey and mhall119
[15:22] <jtoomey> ah - there it is, hiding right in front of me....
[15:24] <jtoomey> so - if i do that dbuild bit it will build exactly the same .deb that is in the repo (presumably?)
[15:24] <mhall119> more or less
[15:24] <mhall119> it won't be signed
[15:24] <jtoomey> oh ok
[15:24] <mhall119> but I think that's the only difference
[15:24] <dholbach> timestamps might be different
[15:25] <dholbach> small subtle things because you probably now have newer libraries on your machine than were available at the time when it was built
[15:25] <dholbach> but essentially yes, probably near to "same"
[15:25] <jtoomey> close enough
[15:26] <jtoomey> im not sure how to create a patch to apply to the source i just downloaded, is it easy to do or can i just work away on that source?
[15:26] <dholbach> you can just work away on that source
[15:27] <jtoomey> what are the .diff and .dsc files that also appeared?
[15:30] <dholbach> .orig.tar.gz is the original tarball that was downloaded from the gnome-disk-utility authors
[15:30] <jtoomey> unchanged?
[15:30] <dholbach> the .diff.gz is the compressed set of changes that is necessary to build it the "debian/ubuntu way"
[15:30] <dholbach> the .dsc is just metadatza
[15:30] <dholbach> like md5sums etc
[15:31] <jtoomey> so - is the diff applied when you build the .deb?
[15:31] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete#Building the Package Locally (Binary Only)
[15:32] <dholbach> it's applied in the gnome-disk-utility-*/ directory
[15:33] <jtoomey> that makes sense.
[15:33] <jtoomey> this packaging stuff is quite a lot more complex than i thought it would be!
[15:34] <jtoomey> last question - is there any easier way to work on the source without having to rebuild the deb every time i make a change and want to test?
[15:35] <czajkowski> jtoomey: you should come along to the packaging sessions the folks run
[15:36] <jtoomey> czajkowski: sounds good, is there going to be one soon?
[15:37] <czajkowski> jtoomey: they usually run things in #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[15:37] <czajkowski> jtoomey: dholbach runs them
[15:38] <dholbach> jtoomey, you can run        debuild binary            after every change
[15:38] <jtoomey> czajkowski: i think i will have to attend the next one :D
[15:38] <dholbach> it's a bit like running "make"
[15:38] <dholbach> czajkowski, it's not only me running them :)
[15:39] <jtoomey> so - that will tell me if it still compiles?
[15:39] <dholbach> jtoomey, the terminal will be busy when it compiles
[15:39] <czajkowski> dholbach: you're the name I associate with them
[15:39] <dholbach> as soon as you get a prompt again it's done
[15:39] <ebel> jtoomey: as bad as the packaging stuff seems ubuntu/debian/deb/apt is one of the best systems out there
[15:39] <ebel> doing the same task on windows or OSX takes mucho much longer
[15:40] <ebel> even things like "apt-get build-dep X" save you massive amounts of time :)
[15:41] <jtoomey> well - at least i have the basics now and i can go back to doing battle with GTK+ and UDisks :D
[15:42] <jtoomey> dholbach, czajkowski, mhall119: thank you all for your help! its very much appreciated!!!
[15:42] <jtoomey> now i better write it down before i forget...
[15:49] <mhall119> jtoomey: no problem
[15:49] <mhall119> hope to see your contributions
[15:49] <mhall119> hint hint
[15:50] <czajkowski> lol
[15:54] <nigelb> mhall119: heya!
[15:54] <nigelb> (do you ever see your PM?)
[15:54] <nigelb> Nice work on the foundation thingy :)
[15:55] <mhall119> nigelb: yes I see my PMs
[15:55] <mhall119> they make a pretty red number on my screen while I ignore them
[15:55] <mhall119> but you can rest happy in the satisfaction of knowing you've made my laptop screen slightly more visually attractive
[15:56] <mhall119> ;)
[15:56] <nigelb> lol
[15:57] <czajkowski> hah
[15:58] <czajkowski> mhall119: subtle
[15:58] <czajkowski> mhall119: I miss blake!
[16:50] <mhall119> czajkowski: you allowed to have pets where you're at now?
[16:50] <czajkowski> nope
[16:51] <mhall119> too bad
[16:51] <mhall119> guess you'll just have to come visit again
[23:36] <cjohnston> mhall119: could you look at Bug #644817 please
[23:36] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 644817 in loco-directory "Global Event Page should list the team name and the event name (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/644817
[23:36] <mhall119> cjohnston: you want comment or code?
[23:36] <mhall119> oh, there is
[23:36] <mhall119> I see that now
[23:37] <cjohnston> ;-)
[23:37] <mhall119> cjohnston: the venue information should only be listed once
[23:37] <mhall119> it won't be different for different teams in a single team_event
[23:38] <mhall119> print venue info, then ' - ' then loop over teams
[23:38] <mhall119> make sense?
[23:39] <cjohnston> {{ team_event.name }}{% for team in team_event.teams.all %}{% if team_event.venue.city %}, {{ team_event.venue.city }}{% endif %} - {{ team.name }}{% endfor %}
[23:39] <cjohnston> thats what it does
[23:39] <mhall119> you're printing team_event.venue info for each team
[23:40] <mhall119> {% for team  in team_event.teams.all %}{% if team_event.venue.city %}
[23:40] <cjohnston> the city
[23:40] <mhall119> but that won't be different from one team to the next
[23:40] <cjohnston> its based on the location of the event
[23:40] <mhall119> every team in team_event is going to the same venue
[23:41] <cjohnston> but they are listed by country
[23:41] <cjohnston> this is for global events
[23:41] <mhall119> okay, maybe I'm missing something, hang on
[23:41] <cjohnston> so florida and new york can be listed right next to each other
[23:42] <mhall119> oh, i see now
[23:42] <mhall119> I forgot that global event participating team events are grouped by location, not by team_event
[23:42] <cjohnston> :-)
[23:42]  * mhall119 is tired
[23:43] <cjohnston> heh
[23:43] <mhall119> hmmm, there's got to be a better way of doing this
[23:43] <mhall119> we're already doing too much nested looping on that page
[23:46] <mhall119> okay, let me get my testing environment back up and updated and I'll try it out
[23:46] <cjohnston> ok
[23:50] <mhall119> oh, I wasn't as out of date as I thought
[23:52] <mhall119> looks good and merged
[23:54] <cjohnston> your killin me
[23:54] <cjohnston> lol
[23:55] <cjohnston> my merge wont go in cause you merged yours first
[23:55] <cjohnston> lol
[23:58] <mhall119> :P
[23:59] <mhall119> what are you merging?


[00:05] <arges> cyking: why is there a y in your nick
[00:10] <cyking> Cy King
[00:37] <arges> cyking: ah, sorry thought you were cking : )
[06:15] <sbeattie> bjf: if you look at http://kernel.ubuntu.com/testing/dagmar__3.13.0-53.89__2015-05-20_21-43-00/console_output.txt.html you'll see apt-get update pulling trusty, trusty-security, and trusty-updates Sources, but not for trusty-proposed.
[06:16] <sbeattie> which tells me that there's no deb-src line in apt sources.list for trusty-proposed.
[06:25] <pkern> infinity: Thanks. I'll have a look this morning.
[07:40] <henrix> pkern: please let me know too if that kernel looks ok ;)
[07:56] <genkgo> jsalisbury: that new build is doing better
[07:57] <genkgo> jsalisbury: could tools was installed, but to install tools, i need binutils >= 2.25
[07:58] <genkgo> i am still on 2.24 (i guess because i am on trusty with 3.19 kernel)
[07:58] <genkgo> perhaps i can still with --ignore-depends
[08:02] <genkgo> jsalisbury: just ran sudo dpkg --ignore-depends=binutils -i linux-tools-3.19.0-18*.deb and the package was installed
[08:02] <genkgo> apw: could you confirm that it is alright to ignore binutils dependency in this case?
[08:02] <apw> genkgo, i think you should be ok indeed
[08:03] <genkgo> apw: well wonderful, then i can start testing the patches
[08:03] <genkgo> :)
[08:23] <infinity> pkern: As soon as you can get me some positive "yay, it fixes the bug" results on that trusty kernel, I can unleash it on the masses.
[08:41] <niluje> what's the difference between the UIO and the VFIO drivers?
[09:13] <pkern> infinity: Yeah, I'm in the office now to test. :)
[09:13] <infinity> pkern: \o/
[09:14] <infinity> pkern: Looks like we'll just barely make my 24h turnaround guess, then. :)
[09:23] <pkern> infinity: lgtm, thanks :)
[09:23] <pkern> henrix: ^^
[09:24] <henrix> pkern: ack, thanks!
[09:25] <infinity> pkern: Ta.  Releasing them all, then.
[15:09] <cyking> good morning!
[16:15] <cyking> 3.19.0-18-generic botched my AMD video driver (fglrx)
[16:27] <apw> cyking, what version did it work with before that ...
[16:28] <apw> cyking, and ... what does "botched" mean to you
[16:28] <cyking> checking,
[16:29] <cyking> Linux Main-PC 3.19.0-031900-generic
[16:31] <apw> cyking, ok that is a mainline kernel, did it work with any of our official kernels
[16:31] <cyking> apw: yes -worked with the last official kernel
[16:32] <apw> cyking, which is the last one you actually tested, which version number
[16:32] <apw> as -17.17 and -18.18 are mostly identical in the video arena iirc
[16:32] <cyking> all these kernels worked - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1453391
[16:35] <cyking> checking my /var/log/apt  I believe it was linux-image-extra-3.19.0-16-generic
[16:35] <apw> ok, so that is more believeable as there are actully some changes from -16 to -18
[16:35] <apw> cyking, now can you describe botched for me
[16:37] <cyking> apw: i get the radeon driver instead of the fglrx driver.  and radeon doesn't let me work with multiple displays.
[16:38] <apw> did fgrlx build against -18 for you ?
[16:39] <cyking> apw, i really just did a gui update and did not have any errors.  is there a log i can check for you?
[16:42] <cyking> does help:  /var/log/apt:  http://pastebin.com/bea9Ck6a
[16:43] <apw> cyking, there is a log in /var/lib/dkms, like here i have this for nvidia dkms package i happen to have installed: /var/lib/dkms/nvidia-340-updates/340.76/3.19.0-16-generic/x86_64/log/make.log
[16:45] <apw> obviously subsitute in the versions you have installed of radeon
[16:46] <cyking> apw, http://pastebin.com/7VEixiZn
[16:47] <apw> cyking, so that seemed to build ok, if that was the right kernel version
[16:47] <apw> /var/lib/dkms/nvidia-340-updates/340.76/3.19.0-16-generic/x86_64/log/make.log
[16:47] <apw> grrr
[16:48] <apw> so
[16:48] <apw> DKMS make.log for fglrx-updates-core-15.200 for kernel 3.19.0-16-generic (x86_64)
[16:48] <apw> that is the log for -16 which worked we want the one for -18
[16:50] <cyking> apw: should i boot into -18 and try to force reinstall the dkms driver?
[16:56] <cyking> there is no log for -18
[16:57] <apw> cyking, can you list the packages with 3.19.0-18.18 in their version ...
[16:57] <apw> dpkg -l | grep 3.19.0-18
[16:58] <cyking> http://pastebin.com/J0ZT5TZX
[16:59] <apw> cyking, you don't have the headers installed for that kernel, so dkms cannot build fo rit
[17:00] <apw> cyking, do you have the right meta package installed for the kernel?  linux-generic ?
[17:00] <cyking> strange. if i have linux-headers-3.19.0-16-generic and linux-headers-3.19.0-16 installed wouldnt apt-get update automatically install the latest?
[17:00] <cyking> *dist-upgrade
[17:01] <apw> cyking, headers are pulled in by linux-headers-generic
[17:01] <apw> whihc is a dep of linux-generic
[17:01] <apw> i assume you have lost some of your meta packages somewhere along the line
[17:02] <cyking> thanks apw: installing now. must of gotten removed accidental with all my kernel testing with my other bug im trying to deal with.
[17:03] <apw> cyking, very likely it got removed when you jammed something else on, apt loves to do that for you
[17:03] <apw> and although it is right there in front of you, i find one never notices it
[17:04] <cyking> how do i rebuild now ?
[17:04] <apw> shoving the headers on should trigger the dkms build automatically
[17:05] <apw> you should see it in the output when you apt-get install linux-generic or whatever
[17:05] <cyking> is it doing it here:   run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/header_postinst.d/dkms 3.19.0-18-generic /boot/vmlinuz-3.19.0-18-generic
[17:06] <cyking> i see the  log now. thanks
[17:06] <apw> that looks believeable, once you get a prompt back you should be able to see the log
[17:06] <apw> so then a reboot should use that driver i'd say
[17:06] <cyking> is there an idiots guide on doing a kernel bisect ?
[17:07] <apw> there is a wiki guide, but i normally ask joe, he is a bisect speciialist
[17:07] <apw> jsalisbury, ^
[17:08] <cyking> jsalisbury seems pretty busy :)
[17:08] <cyking> i use to kernel hack in 2.4 days but so much has changed.
[17:08] <jsalisbury> cyking, I actually started a bisect for your bug
[17:09] <cyking> jsalisbury, thanks
[17:09] <jsalisbury> cyking, there was a build failure so I had to skip some sha1s.  I should have a kernel ready soon
[17:10] <jsalisbury> cking, actually the next kernel is ready.  I'll upload it and post a link in the bug
[17:10] <cyking> jsalisbury, you are a star!
[17:10] <jsalisbury> :-)
[17:10] <cyking> and you too, awp, thanks
[17:16] <cyking> jsalisbury, ill install the *rc3.201505211629_all.deb ?
[17:17] <jsalisbury> cyking, You should just need: linux-image-3.13.0-031300rc3-generic_3.13.0-031300rc3.201505211629_amd64.deb
[17:18] <jsalisbury> cyking, just run: sudo dpkg -i linux-image-3.13.0-031300rc3-generic_3.13.0-031300rc3.201505211629_amd64.deb
[17:18] <jsalisbury> cyking, then reboot
[17:19] <cyking> yup understood
[17:19] <cyking> sudo make internet faster ?
[17:19] <cyking> ;)
[17:20] <jsalisbury> heh
[17:39] <cyking> jsalisbury, worked fine.
[17:44] <jsalisbury> cyking, great.  I'll update the bisect and build the next kernel
[17:45] <cyking> wish i could see a screen cast of what you were doing ;)
[18:17] <bjf> sbeattie, i think the trusty apparmor testing is fixed
[18:18] <bjf> sbeattie, it worked once :-) ... we'll see for sure next week (new kernel SRU cycle)
[18:19] <sbeattie> bjf: hehe
[18:21] <sbeattie> bjf: the trusty apparmor sru should fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apparmor/+bug/1304447 so please do comment on that bug report
[18:22] <bjf> sbeattie, comment added
[19:06] <dsmythies> Somewhere between kernel 4.0 and kernel 4.1RC1 "perf record" became broken. Actually the list of available "Tracepoint event"s become very much smaller. My concern is with "power:pstate_sample", which is now missing. I have started to bisect the kernel, but thought to ask here also, as I really don't have 2 days to waste. Anybody know what is going on with this?
[19:10] <rtg> dsmythies, are you booting vanilla or ubuntu kernels ? ubuntu does carry some ftrace patches.
[19:11] <dsmythies> I only compile the mainline kernel, using the Ubuntu kernel config.
[19:12] <rtg> dsmythies, nothing springs to mind.
[19:13] <dsmythies> I'll continue my bisection (my second one for the 4.1RC series...)
[20:16] <nessita> jsalisbury, hi there, are you around?
[20:20] <nessita> jsalisbury, just wanted to sync about the bisect we're doing for LP: #1201528, since I'm now in <IP_ADDRESS> and audio died with the underrun error. So I re-read all the comments and noticed that in commnet #39 (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1201528/comments/39) I reproduced the issue with kernel 3.8.0-27-generic
[20:21] <nessita> I'm now installing latest 3.7 from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ which is 3.7.10 and see if audio breaks, will report in the bug
[20:54] <jsalisbury> nessita, ack, thanks for the info
[20:55] <nessita> jsalisbury, so 3.7.10 works (used skype heavily, and hangouts), and in theory 3.8.0 did not work (from comment #39). Which kernel shall I try next?
[20:56] <nessita> want me to re-test 3.8.0? I guess that'll be v3.8-raring?
[20:56] <jsalisbury> nessita, probably 3.7 final, then we can bisect between 3.7 and 3.8.  3.7 final is avaiable at:
[20:56] <jsalisbury> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.7-raring/
[20:56] <jsalisbury> nessita, it might be a good idea to test 3.8 final as well to confirm it has the bug.  3.8 final is avaiable at:
[20:57] <jsalisbury> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.8-raring/
[20:57] <nessita> jsalisbury, ah, hum, I always thought that 3.7.0 (from the link you just gave me) is "older" than 3.7.10. Am I mistaken?
[20:58] <jsalisbury> nessita, yes you are correct.  But we can't bisect between 3.7.10 and 3.8 because the tree splits as of 3.7.1.
[20:58] <nessita> ah! that makes more sense :-)
[20:58] <nessita> I will them test both finals, 3.7.0 and 3.8.0 and report back
[21:14] <nessita> jsalisbury, kernel 3.7.0 is frozen on boot when showing the message "Loading initial ramdisk", can not reboot with ctrl+alt+del nor with alt+petsys+b, doing hard reboot, but wondering if it should boot OK
[21:15] <jsalisbury> nessita, it should boot ok.  We can skip to trying v3.8-rc1 if there are issues with 3.7 final.  3.8-rc1 is available here:
[21:15] <jsalisbury> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.8-rc1-raring/
[21:16] <nessita> jsalisbury, hum, there may be something broken in my computer now, because 3.8.0 freezes the same as 3.7.0
[21:16] <nessita> may boot without quiet and see where it freezes
[21:16] <jsalisbury> nessita, ok