[05:11] <shrinivasan> hello all
[05:11] <shrinivasan> good morning
[05:22] <Noskcaj> afternoon shrinivasan
[08:04] <apachelogger> yofel: mumble doesn't wanna connect :(
[08:06] <Riddell> apachelogger: still being set up here
[08:06] <Riddell> but the server should be up
[08:06] <Riddell> yofel: shadeslayer: ping?
[08:06] <jussi> address was?
[08:08] <Riddell> kyofel.dyndns.org
[08:08] <Riddell> I can connect to kyofel.dyndns.org
[08:10] <jussi> and my mumble freezes... cant get anywhere :(
[08:10] <jussi> grrr
[08:11] <Riddell> we're on the move, back in 15 mins
[08:12] <ahoneybun> hello all
[08:13] <jussi> it appears to have connected...
[08:20] <jussi> but no one is there :)
[08:22] <Riddell> jussi: not see me?
[08:23] <Riddell> ahoneybun: we're still setting up
[08:23] <jussi> nope, but Harald has joined
[08:24] <ahoneybun> Riddell: ok just saying hi lol
[08:24] <jussi> now I see people
[08:24] <jussi> that was Jon
[08:24] <jussi> but I guess people not seeing me ?
[08:25] <Riddell> jussi: I see you
[08:25] <Riddell> why can't we speak?
[08:25] <Riddell> do we need to make a new room?
[08:25] <jussi> I mean hear me
[08:25] <jussi> Riddell: I heard you before
[08:25] <Riddell> lips don't go red
[08:25] <jussi> Harald does
[08:25] <jussi> we can hear you
[08:25] <jussi> Riddell: !
[08:25] <jussi> yes
[08:25] <jussi> you are asking how mumble works and 42
[08:26] <Riddell> jussi: can you hear me now
[08:26] <jussi> yes
[08:26] <jussi> yes
[08:26] <jussi> haha
[08:26] <jussi> you cant hear me though... ?
[08:26] <Riddell> jussi: can you hear valorie ?
[08:26] <jussi> yes
[08:26] <Riddell> cool!
[08:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: we can hear tecnical :P
[08:28] <Riddell> ahoneybun: are you on mumble?
[08:28] <valorie> this is amazing
[08:29] <valorie> like the 21st century
[08:30] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I don't know how to
[08:31] <Riddell> ahoneybun: install mumble
[08:31] <Riddell> connect to kyofel.dyndns.org
[08:31] <Riddell> easy
[08:31] <ahoneybun> working on that now
[08:32] <apachelogger> yofel: mute
[08:33] <yofel> apachelogger: done
[08:33] <apachelogger> thx
[08:35] <Quintasan> argh
[08:36] <yofel> hi Quintasan
[08:36] <Quintasan> Hi
[08:36] <jussi> breaking up a bit...
[08:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: jussi has
[08:36] <jussi> can you hear me anymore?
[08:37] <Quintasan> since I'm at work I can't talk but I'm going to listen
[08:37] <ahoneybun> Riddell: how do I know if you can hear me
[08:37] <ahoneybun> hey valorie
[08:37] <jussi> the stream is getting mixed up... :(
[08:37] <jussi> fades in and out
[08:38] <Riddell> ahoneybun: can you hear us?
[08:38] <Quintasan> I think I can hear Harald laughing in the background
[08:38] <Quintasan> :DDD
[08:38] <jussi> Riddell: stream is broken
[08:38] <jussi> its fading in and out badly
[08:38] <ahoneybun> Riddell: nope
[08:38] <Mamarok> btw, folks, you should get a grap on vHanda today, as Nepomuk currently doesn't work with 4.11
[08:38] <Quintasan> lol
[08:38] <Quintasan> LOL
[08:38] <apachelogger> what you folks need is a guy working on multimedia
[08:39] <apachelogger> wake up shadeslayer :P
[08:39] <Riddell> ahoneybun: valorie is talking on docs
[08:39] <Riddell> ahoneybun: can you hear?
[08:39] <ahoneybun> no
[08:40] <ahoneybun> now I can, switched to webcam
[08:40] <Riddell> ahoneybun: you can hear?
[08:41] <apachelogger> that's causing echo
[08:41] <Quintasan> aw shit
[08:41] <apachelogger> really bad
[08:41] <Quintasan> My ears
[08:42] <ahoneybun> what is the push to talk
[08:42] <ahoneybun> button
[08:42] <agateau> ahoneybun: you can define it in the config dialog iirc
[08:42] <jussi> ahoneybun: space usually, but configurable
[08:42] <agateau> might be right-ctrl by default
[08:42] <agateau> oh jussi is probably right
[08:43] <ahoneybun> anyone here me>?
[08:44] <jussi> ahoneybun: try again, I think I did
[08:44] <yofel> ahoneybun: we hear you, but the speakers in the room don't work quite yet
[08:44] <jussi> "its  not you, its me" :P
[08:44] <yofel> ^^
[08:46] <agateau> irc window is broadcasted on the screen, so if we can't hear you, we can at least read you
[08:46] <Quintasan> damn echo
[08:47] <valorie> yay, ahoneybun is talkin'!
[08:47] <valorie> good idea to id yourself when you speak
[08:47] <apachelogger> I think working together on stuff as a group is way more fun than working on it alone; go docs *team*!
[08:47] <valorie> indeed
[08:48] <apachelogger> docbook is not awful, xml is :P
[08:49] <Quintasan> That's agateau speaking, right?
[08:49] <Riddell> Quintasan: yesw
[08:49] <Riddell> Quintasan: yes
[08:49] <ahoneybun> valorie: I don't like talking over people lol
[08:50] <agateau> pandoc, if you don't know it: http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/
[08:51] <agateau> it even supports latex for martin :)
[08:53] <jussi> right, I got to run for a bit, back in a while
[08:53] <jussi> Ill leave me connect though - no sense breaking a good thing :D
[08:55] <apachelogger> someone hit shadeslayer on the head for being late plz :O
[08:57] <shadeslayer> Pft
[08:57] <Quintasan> sure
[08:57]  * Quintasan throws a brick at shade
[08:57] <apachelogger> loadsa background noise
[08:58]  * Quintasan throws a brick at shadeslayer
[08:58] <apachelogger> can't hear no nothing
[08:58] <agateau> apachelogger: not much was going on. Jonathan just started talking again
[08:58] <apachelogger> curious
[08:59] <agateau> apachelogger: can you hear valorie?
[08:59] <apachelogger> yah
[09:00] <valorie> {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}} to all of you not here
[09:05] <Quintasan> python is root of all evils
[09:06] <apachelogger> https://trello.com/board/kubuntu-docs-saucy-salamander/518d39bc9433cf5507000173
[09:06] <apachelogger> also python is awesome
[09:06] <shadeslayer> people are the root of all evil
[09:07] <apachelogger> volume control and such business is upstream (KDE)!
[09:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^
[09:12] <apachelogger> just setup mediawiki for the docs :P
[09:13] <soee> kde 4.11 RC 1 is skipped ?
[09:13] <agateau> apachelogger: yay for that
[09:14] <shadeslayer> soee: just busy at Akademy
[09:14] <shadeslayer> I can run the script
[09:14] <valorie> it's an idea, and we've thought about it
[09:14] <soee> shadeslayer, ok ;)
[09:14] <valorie> but I haven't heard that we have a sysadmin for our server?
[09:14] <valorie> I'm not doing that work....
[09:15] <shadeslayer> likewise ^^
[09:16] <valorie> this was my issue with us having our own server
[09:16] <valorie> servers without good sysadmins soon suck
[09:19] <apachelogger> so recurit one? :P
[09:19] <shadeslayer> recruiting is hard
[09:19] <shadeslayer> nominate yofel and be done with it
[09:19] <shadeslayer> s/nominate/assign/
[09:19] <kubotu> shadeslayer meant: "assign yofel and be done with it"
[09:19] <david-ktp> recruiting is hard, conscripting is not.
[09:21] <shadeslayer> ^^
[09:21]  * apachelogger is out of coffee :(
[09:23] <shadeslayer> I've not had coffee at all :(
[09:23] <apachelogger> stop whining, you were late.....
[09:24] <Riddell> ahoneybun: thanks, bye!
[09:25] <ahoneybun> it was fun guys
[09:27] <shadeslayer> yofel: I'm running the RC1 script btw
[09:27] <apachelogger> 2.8 is prerelease anyway :P
[09:31] <apachelogger> informal test reports are impossible to triage
[09:32] <apachelogger> lacks background and envrionmental information and whatnot
[09:32] <apachelogger> they basically amount to "amarok is not working"
[09:33] <apachelogger> http://community.kde.org/Phonon/QA
[09:33] <apachelogger> :P
[09:33] <david-ktp> we should link all of these upstream...
[09:33] <apachelogger> what we need is an upstream database for testing procedures and whatnot
[09:33] <david-ktp> :D
[09:34] <david-ktp> ++
[09:35] <yofel> shadeslayer: hm, go ahead, the reason I didn't run it was that we have no officially ACK'd tarballs
[09:36] <shadeslayer> ah okay
[09:36] <shadeslayer> we could be the first one
[09:36] <yofel> shadeslayer: ok, nvm
[09:36] <yofel> shadeslayer: mail was sent ~10h ago
[09:36] <shadeslayer> yeah
[09:37] <shadeslayer> ah when you say ACK'd I thought you meant "Someone who had built all the tar's and sent a email that they build fine"
[09:37] <valorie> apachelogger: I tried to test some of phonon some months ago, but I don't understand what some of the tests are or how to do them
[09:38] <yofel> shadeslayer: ah no, just ack'd by albert
[09:39] <shadeslayer> power strips \o/
[09:40] <shadeslayer> now I can work on soprano
[09:42] <apachelogger> UI testing needs testsuite creation upstream
[09:42] <apachelogger> we can do UI tests using the accessibility layer
[09:42] <apachelogger> ...
[09:43] <apachelogger> iff upstream had a test suite it would be rather straight forward to set up
[09:43] <david-ktp> upstream = KDE or Ubuntu?
[09:43] <apachelogger> KDE
[09:44] <apachelogger> well, there is one for gnome so it's more like adapting/creating tests I guess
[09:44] <apachelogger> thing is, with the atspi accessibility magic it's trivial to do the testing, writing the tests will be an effort
[09:46] <shadeslayer> yeah, that's the whole issue
[09:47] <apachelogger> :@
[09:47] <apachelogger> I am in witness protection
[09:47] <Quintasan> lol
[09:47] <apachelogger> :P
[09:50] <jussi> Hi!
[09:50] <jussi> Im ack
[09:50] <jussi> back even
[09:51] <apachelogger> I am not sure he actually got anywhere
[09:52] <jussi> where is the agenda that Riddell is reading from ?
[09:52] <Riddell> jussi: trello
[09:52] <apachelogger> ah right
[09:52] <Riddell> https://trello.com/board/13-10/515d717b729ef48449001328
[09:53] <shadeslayer> yofel: Riddell we also have https://trello.com/board/kubuntu-developer-summit/51b0983365d452e4310026ad btw
[09:54] <apachelogger> that is semi-solved with recent PPA changes WRT automatic dbgsym extraction
[09:55] <apachelogger> we just need the space
[09:55] <apachelogger> so start a flamewar
[09:55] <apachelogger> say canonical is bad
[09:55] <apachelogger> and stopping our quality
[09:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: how does automatic dbgsym get turned on?
[09:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: btw, it's not like we'd have more space requirement, we just needed a way to turn off -dbg extraction via pkg-kde-tools
[09:56] <apachelogger> the big packages have -dbg anyway, so -dbgsym would simply replace that
[09:57] <shadeslayer> true, but that's blocking on dbgsym handling in DrKonqi?
[09:57] <shadeslayer> we can't simply turn off the dbg packages since that would break DrKonqi
[09:58] <apachelogger> wouldn't
[09:58] <apachelogger> not more than it is now :P
[09:58] <shadeslayer> how so?
[09:58] <shadeslayer> heh
[10:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: right now it will not be able to debug half the packages making it fully useless :P
[10:04] <shadeslayer> i see
[10:05] <apachelogger> reopened the board
[10:06] <yofel> why?
[10:06] <jussi> do you people even hear me?
[10:06] <shadeslayer> nope
[10:06] <jussi> sigh.
[10:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: running for 1:13 hours in case you want to break at some point :P
[10:13] <apachelogger> yofel: we are not the debian team :P
[10:14] <apachelogger> +1000
[10:15] <apachelogger> join debian git repository
[10:15] <apachelogger> branch debian/fooo kubuntu/saucy etc.etc.
[10:15] <shadeslayer> yeah make sense
[10:16] <apachelogger> we have a faster cadence than debian
[10:16] <apachelogger> debian should pick from us
[10:16] <apachelogger> not us pushing into debian
[10:16] <apachelogger> use the same git repo!
[10:16] <apachelogger> problem solved :P
[10:18] <apachelogger> beer \o/
[10:18] <apachelogger> I am going to debconf
[10:20] <apachelogger> what did agateau say?
[10:20] <agateau> apachelogger: asking if the other ubuntu flavors are using bzr and lp
[10:20] <apachelogger> ah
[10:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: <agateau> are the other flavours using launchpad/bzr
[10:28]  * apachelogger is reasonable certain that he has a video that will bring any setup to its knees :P
[10:28] <apachelogger> if not through blur, then through disk IO :P
[10:28]  * yofel updates qt5 in neon/kf5
[10:28] <Riddell> we don't want to know about your video collection apachelogger
[10:28] <apachelogger> yofel: how do you do that?
[10:28] <yofel> apachelogger: your script?
[10:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: it's a music video
[10:29] <apachelogger> yofel: oh, good luck :P
[10:29] <shadeslayer> yofel: can you setup the status page
[10:29] <shadeslayer> for 4.10.95
[10:29] <yofel> oh right, need to fix it anyway
[10:29] <shadeslayer> oh and akonadi needs to be uploaded
[10:29] <apachelogger> when's lunch?
[10:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: when I'm hungry enough
[10:30] <apachelogger> I needs a break
[10:31] <shadeslayer> I am not hungry enough
[10:31] <apachelogger> we still have no 1.0
[10:31] <apachelogger> he promised me a 1.0
[10:32] <apachelogger> but I don't think there is one?
[10:33] <apachelogger> :(
[10:33] <apachelogger> if you got active-settings installed they will inject ontop of desktop
[10:33] <apachelogger> breaking stuff all over the place
[10:33] <apachelogger> no
[10:33] <apachelogger> it's a kubuntu issue
[10:33] <apachelogger> it's about kubuntu-settings
[10:33] <apachelogger> read the flipping bug report :P
[10:35] <agateau> apachelogger: you marked it as wont-fix
[10:35] <apachelogger> oh
[10:35] <apachelogger> *check*
[10:35] <yofel> shadeslayer: setup done
[10:35] <shadeslayer> thx
[10:35] <apachelogger> ah
[10:35] <apachelogger> wrong bug
[10:35] <apachelogger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-settings/+bug/1185503
[10:35] <apachelogger> agateau: ^
[10:37] <agateau> apachelogger: did you just update the trello link?
[10:37] <BluesKaj> HI all
[10:38] <agateau> for people wondering what's happening
[10:38] <shadeslayer> we're having drinks
[10:38] <Riddell> free beer!
[10:38] <agateau> local team brought us free drinks to compensate for moving the kubuntu room back and forth
[10:38] <agateau> awesome
[10:38] <shadeslayer> libre cervesa \o/
[10:39] <jussi> Someone drink one for me!
[10:39] <apachelogger> agateau: yes :P
[10:39] <agateau> jussi: working on it
[10:39] <BluesKaj> Molson Canadian pls
[10:39] <jussi> :D
[10:39]  * agateau is actually dring naranja
[10:39] <shadeslayer> likewise
[10:39] <agateau> apachelogger: i expected to see a trace of the change in the card
[10:40] <agateau> apachelogger: i mean, I thought trello recorded the changes
[10:40] <jussi> who is the guy speaking now (british accent)
[10:40] <agateau> jussi: lord edmundson
[10:40] <agateau> jussi: aka david-ktp
[10:40] <jussi> agateau: ok, thanks
[10:40] <apachelogger> agateau: that's what comments are for I reckon
[10:41] <jussi> pfffffffffttttttttttt
[10:41] <david-ktp> normally I'm d_ed
[10:41] <david-ktp> I'm using a different client.. which sucks
[10:41] <apachelogger> david-ktp's accent is so thick I can hardly understand anything
[10:41] <jussi> not alive?
[10:41] <jussi> :D
[10:41] <agateau> apachelogger: sure, not picking at you at all, just surprised by trello behavior
[10:42] <agateau> david-ktp: you're using unsupported features of said client, your fault!
[10:42] <apachelogger> agateau: simpler that way, though I suppose timelines/history are indeed very common today
[10:42] <jussi> Work item: get ktp up to scratch :)  *cough*
[10:42] <agateau> apachelogger: yes, I guess so
[10:42] <david-ktp> jussi, sure - join us in #kde-telepathy
[10:43] <apachelogger> last I wanted to use ktp for IRC someone shouted at me and said it's going away and I shouldn't use it and I am stupid and stuff....
[10:43] <david-ktp> that's exactly what I said :)
[10:43] <jussi> david-ktp: come on, haven't I made enough bugs for you to remember me?
[10:43] <david-ktp> and haven't I fixed enough
[10:43] <jussi> :D
[10:43] <apachelogger> there's no such thing
[10:44] <jussi> no
[10:44] <apachelogger> david-ktp's having an orgasm it seems
[10:45] <jussi> hahaha
[10:46] <apachelogger> ....ScottK is handling the card now; it is not done
[10:46] <apachelogger> or he is supposed to anyway ^^
[10:46] <shadeslayer> right
[10:47] <apachelogger> plasma has update scripts!!@$!!@
[10:47] <apachelogger> you can fiddle with anything from an update script
[10:48] <apachelogger> and that is the way to fix broken setups
[10:48] <apachelogger> !!!!
[10:48] <apachelogger> ^ \o/ ^
[10:48] <apachelogger> fix it proper!
[10:49] <jussi> I would like that we do a reviewthe default settings  of stuff we ship - perhaps we make a list and people can volunteer to review certain apps?
[10:49] <apachelogger> no one reading me
[10:49] <apachelogger> going for a smoke
[10:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: we're here!
[10:50] <jussi> Riddell: is that something we can put on a card or so ?
[10:51] <yofel> apachelogger:I checked, but i couldn't figure out how to identify whether someone has an intentionally broken desktop or whether it's broken by the script
[10:54] <yofel> shadeslayer: any errors with 4.10.95 (patch wise etc.)?
[10:54] <shadeslayer> yofel: nope
[10:54] <shadeslayer> yofel: soprano needs doing
[10:54] <shadeslayer> things keep interfering
[10:54] <yofel> interesting... as I got patch failures in my daily builds o.O
[10:55] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[10:55] <apachelogger> yofel: postinst script.... if previous version was broken place the update script in the path, otherwise not
[10:55] <shadeslayer> oh
[10:55] <shadeslayer> wait
[10:55] <shadeslayer> kde-baseapps  kdenetwork-strigi-analyzers  kdepim  kdepim-runtime  kde-runtime
[10:56] <shadeslayer> right, will get to those post lunch
[10:56] <apachelogger> yofel: everyone having a deliberately broken setup will probably not have the broken settings installed, and new setups will get autofixed
[10:57] <yofel> shadeslayer: maybe just c&p the script output to the pad, then you don't have to do everything
[10:57] <shadeslayer> I closed the terminal, no script output for you
[10:58] <apachelogger> http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=clones%2Fkde-runtime%2Fsitter%2Fkubuntu.git&a=commit&h=cb7e97516f75d01fea6a44950d8263792524a7ad
[10:58] <apachelogger> I think the auto-select language option can be landed now
[10:59] <apachelogger> (though it has a beauty issue)
[10:59] <apachelogger> actually, let's see if we can get rid of that
[10:59] <shadeslayer> lemme push bzr branches
[11:01] <apachelogger> ScottK: http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=clones%2Fkde-runtime%2Fsitter%2Fkubuntu.git&a=commit&h=fd29a011d8c559ff2c8fb81351141cd89f7377ef do you think that is SRU material?
[11:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: please update the muon card plz
[11:02] <apachelogger> it has loads of checklists: P
[11:02] <yofel> shadeslayer: my poor script summary :(
[11:02] <shadeslayer> hehe
[11:02] <shadeslayer> yofel: I've posted a list of packages that need work
[11:02] <yofel> yay, thanks
[11:02] <shadeslayer> lunch \o/
[11:02] <jussi> you arent allowed to eat lunch!!!!
[11:02] <yofel> FOOD
[11:03] <jussi> not acceptable
[11:03] <jussi> david-ktp: doesnt get lunch, he hasnt fixed enough ktpo bugs
[11:03] <apachelogger> yes
[11:39] <azeem> heya, is there some information somewhere whether precise packages are planned for 4.11 and whether RC1 will be packaged?
[11:53] <Riddell> apachelogger: john layt will be here after lunch, able to say anything about locale?
[11:53] <Riddell> I see you just dropped the patch in kde-workspace
[11:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: the patch removal is a no-brainer
[11:54] <apachelogger> but I can say things, whatever things may be :P
[11:56] <yofel> Riddell: FYI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1196752
[11:59] <yofel> azeem: RC1 packaging is in process, the kde release team had to delay it because of akademy
[11:59] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: when is muon-discover getting its new icon? :)
[12:00] <yofel> azeem: as for 4.11, there probably will be some packages, but upstream doesn't recommend to run it on 12.04 because the base software stack is too old
[12:03] <Riddell> starting again
[12:03] <Riddell> anyone on mumble?
[12:03] <Riddell> apachelogger?
[12:03] <apachelogger> yes
[12:03] <jussi> Im herer
[12:03] <apachelogger> hear no nothing though :P
[12:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: now?
[12:04] <apachelogger> no
[12:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: you have mute and defened on
[12:04] <david-ktp> mck182 and I are busy in a different room
[12:04] <shadeslayer> mm
[12:04] <jussi> not here he doesnt
[12:04] <apachelogger> I don't I am speaking with jussi
[12:04] <shadeslayer> david-ktp: doing your thing
[12:04] <apachelogger> there we go
[12:05] <apachelogger> or not ^^
[12:05] <jussi> we just had a small clip
[12:05] <Riddell> can you hear?
[12:06] <jussi> [13:49:03] <jussi> I would like that we do a reviewthe default settings  of stuff we ship - perhaps we make a list and people can volunteer to review certain apps?
[12:08] <apachelogger> I totally don't hear mr layt :P
[12:09] <yofel> azeem: you do hear him now?
[12:09] <yofel> erm , apachelogger^
[12:09] <apachelogger> yes
[12:09] <yofel> k
[12:09] <apachelogger> languages is not doing that right now
[12:10] <apachelogger> I think getting it generically upstream is the longterm plan here
[12:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can't you speak in Mumble?
[12:11] <apachelogger> yes, but echo
[12:11] <apachelogger> makes my head go wild
[12:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: headphones?
[12:12] <apachelogger> your end is producing the echo :P
[12:12] <shadeslayer> bah
[12:13] <apachelogger> Quintasan will do inputmethods :D
[12:13] <Quintasan> apachelogger: If it's switch to fcitx I can do it
[12:13] <Quintasan> Otherwise I can just try making sure it works
[12:13] <apachelogger> make the KCM do im configuration
[12:14] <jussi> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
[12:14] <jussi> If you would like testing for that kind of items, please let me know.
[12:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: it's because the ubuntu thing are systemlocales, whereas we have languages
[12:15] <apachelogger> \o/ frameworks5 ftw \o/
[12:16] <apachelogger> no
[12:16] <apachelogger> workspace is frozen
[12:16] <apachelogger> runtime is not
[12:16] <Quintasan> Can has fcitx apachelogger?
[12:16] <jussi> quick!
[12:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: able to put your patch on reviewboard?
[12:16] <apachelogger> sure
[12:17] <apachelogger> Quintasan: what's that?
[12:17] <jussi> are the munich guys on irc?
[12:18] <Quintasan> apachelogger: It's not ibus, that's what I can tell you
[12:18] <Quintasan> It's an input method selector
[12:19] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I know nothing about that
[12:19] <apachelogger> at all
[12:19] <apachelogger> input methods is a realm I do not want to know anything about either :P
[12:19] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Well, it's python(ibus) vs not python(fcitx)
[12:19] <jussi> or how can we get in contact with them after this ?
[12:20] <jussi> Riddell: please ask ^ ^^ :)
[12:23] <jussi> email would work also... ?
[12:23] <jussi> Riddell: write it down?
[12:23] <yofel> hi hefeweiz3n
[12:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: muenchen
[12:26] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/07/15/plasma-desktopZN2352.png <- awesomest silly workaround I did in 2 weeks \o/
[12:26] <yofel> heh
[12:26] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: Hey man, which signal fires when sourcelist::uploadCache finishes?
[12:27] <shadeslayer> oh look, manchicken
[12:27] <shadeslayer> manchicken: did you get anywhere with dbgysm + dr konqi?
[12:27] <shadeslayer> oh
[12:27] <manchicken> shadeslayer: I'm close to done with it, just trying to figure out how to tell when the update is finished.
[12:27] <shadeslayer> is "Dr" in Dr Konqi a ref to "The Doctor"
[12:28] <manchicken> I was going to update the Trello card, but it appears I don't have write access.
[12:28] <shadeslayer> manchicken: username plz
[12:28] <shadeslayer> pft
[12:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no, it's because its a doctor.............
[12:29] <manchicken> Fun... touch screen input just killed my X session :)
[12:29] <manchicken> shadeslayer: I signed up using my gmail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:29] <shadeslayer> manchicken: need username
[12:30] <jussi> Riddell: can we talk about defaults next?
[12:30] <Riddell> jussi: if you lead it
[12:30] <manchicken> manchicken
[12:31] <manchicken> shadeslayer: It had picked some jackass name like "michaelstemle". I don't know who'd want a name like that.
[12:31] <manchicken> Lucky for me, I can change it :)
[12:31] <shadeslayer> manchicken: plz do not nuke our board
[12:31] <shadeslayer> manchicken: and welcome :)
[12:31] <manchicken> shadeslayer: Proceeding to nuke...
[12:31] <manchicken> heh
[12:32] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[12:32] <apachelogger> jussi: I think that ulitmatley needs to be carried upstream
[12:32] <manchicken> Now that I'm an org member on trello, how do I do a thing on it?
[12:32] <manchicken> heh
[12:32] <manchicken> There we go
[12:32] <manchicken> "Join Board" evidently means something.
[12:33] <manchicken> I'll assign this card to myself then?
[12:33] <shadeslayer> yes plz
[12:35] <manchicken> Done, notes added.
[12:35] <Riddell> jussi: look in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/
[12:36] <apachelogger> we need to fix that path nesting at some point
[12:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: most of them set general stuff were our vision diverges
[12:37] <apachelogger> most notibly silly didyouknow and splash
[12:37] <manchicken> Do we still have a mailing list that we use?
[12:37] <manchicken> I need answers from JontheEchidna but he doesn't appear to be responding.
[12:37] <manchicken> Offline, asynchronous communication may be in order.
[12:37] <apachelogger> it has the same rc....
[12:39] <manchicken> I wasn't sure if we'd moved off to a web forum or something.
[12:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: I'd like to mention that this is being recorded :P
[12:41] <apachelogger> manchicken: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
[12:42] <manchicken> apachelogger: Just subscribed.
[12:42] <manchicken> apachelogger: Do I need to be approved?
[12:42] <manchicken> I'm typing up my email right now for Jon, hopefully I can get an answer today. I'd like to finish this thing on the bus ride up to Chicago on Saturday.
[12:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: I propose we create a kded module that displays a big error window when using xmir
[12:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no
[12:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no
[12:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no
[12:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no
[12:43] <apachelogger> not supported means not supported
[12:43] <apachelogger> there is no need for apport, it is not supported
[12:44] <shadeslayer> I see
[12:44] <shadeslayer> fine with me then
[12:44] <apachelogger> also (at least) apport-kde is not maintained
[12:44] <shadeslayer> I just wanted to know if it was possible to just send them to XMir and if that would be viable
[12:44] <apachelogger> so I'd stay away from it to begin with
[12:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh is it?
[12:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I just thought that it was feature complete
[12:45] <apachelogger> feature complete != needs no maintainership :P
[12:46] <shadeslayer> yofel: didn't you try and run some script on XMir and it complained it didn't find X
[12:51] <yofel> shadeslayer: well, I did, but I couldn't reproduce that
[12:51] <yofel> so don't ask me
[12:51] <shadeslayer> oh
[12:51] <shadeslayer> okay
[12:52] <shadeslayer> afiestas_: where are you!
[12:53] <yofel> Riddell: http://community.kde.org/KDE_Core/ReleasesProposal
[12:55] <azeem> yofel: thanks - do you have any pointer about what exactly is considered problematic with 12.04?
[12:56] <yofel> azeem: graphics stack and boost library, but graphics stack we might be able to use the hardware enablement backports from ubuntu
[12:56] <azeem> yofel: ok
[12:59] <manchicken> Okay, I've sent out the email, hopefully I can get this moving again soon.
[13:00] <manchicken> Hopefully my message gets through, I sent it immediately prior to seeing the subscribe confirmation link :)
[13:05] <manchicken> Did anybody get the message I sent to kubuntu-devel yet?
[13:05] <manchicken> If it didn't go out yet I can re-send it... but I don't want to send out a duplicate.
[13:08] <Riddell> check the archives
[13:08] <manchicken> Aren't they only done once a day?
[13:10] <manchicken> Okay, I've gotta go, I'm hoping my message is stuck in moderation or something. I'll resend later if I don't see it.
[13:10] <manchicken> Thanks guys.
[13:12] <apachelogger> the startup speed of plasma is a very bad joke
[13:14] <apachelogger> yofel: that's what staging is for
[13:14] <apachelogger> everyone should.
[13:15] <apachelogger> so we need more stagings
[13:21] <Riddell> apachelogger: that's what he's saying
[13:21] <Riddell> remove kubuntu-ppa/staging
[13:21] <Riddell> create kubuntu-ppa/backports-proposed kubuntu-ppa/updates-proposed kubuntu-ppa/beta-proposed
[13:21] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that's their problem
[13:21] <Riddell> upload to -proposed,copy over once built to prevert archive skew
[13:21] <Riddell> is my notes
[13:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think staging represents the use better :P
[13:22] <apachelogger> j-b?
[13:22] <apachelogger> is it my j-b?
[13:22] <yofel> apachelogger: well, we could make more stagings, but for me staging and proposed are essentially the same
[13:22] <apachelogger> <3 j-b <3
[13:22] <yofel> so I don't particulary care about the naming
[13:22] <Riddell> j-b has arrives
[13:22] <Riddell> http://packages.medibuntu.org/saucy/index.html
[13:23] <apachelogger> ices is icecast client
[13:23] <apachelogger> This package depends on the binaries codecs package matching your architecture (w32codecs for i386 and w64codecs for amd64 systems).
[13:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: that also deps w32codecs
[13:24] <apachelogger> it probably has some additional AAC enabled
[13:25] <apachelogger> :(
[13:25] <apachelogger> I know, right :(
[13:25] <apachelogger> eh
[13:25] <apachelogger> !info ices2
[13:26] <apachelogger> ah
[13:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: it's ices0
[13:26] <apachelogger> deprecated by ices2
[13:26] <apachelogger> http://www.icecast.org/ices.php
[13:26] <apachelogger> just screw it
[13:26] <apachelogger> no one needs that crap
[13:27] <apachelogger> can I haz hot-j-b?
[13:27] <apachelogger> <3
[13:28] <apachelogger> there is no desktop file Riddell
[13:28] <apachelogger> so it won't show up in discover
[13:28] <apachelogger> app-install is useless without hot-babe and stuff
[13:29] <apachelogger> it's a cache of desktop files essentially
[13:29] <apachelogger> and icons
[13:29] <yofel> right
[13:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it has libdvdcss.desktop
[13:29] <apachelogger> oh
[13:29] <apachelogger> then we need it :P
[13:29] <shadeslayer> could move it to libdvdcss.desktop
[13:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: but then if you're adding the medibuntu repo, you know you have to install libdvdcss
[13:30] <shadeslayer> which is an argument for not having that
[13:31] <apachelogger> not if a user interface was there to add the repo :P
[13:31] <apachelogger> it breaks protection
[13:31] <apachelogger> ...
[13:31] <apachelogger> that is illegal in some countries
[13:31] <apachelogger> that's the only problem it has
[13:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: binary blob
[13:33] <apachelogger> one person uses it :P
[13:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: just maintain the same package for ubuntu and debian
[13:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: funman
[13:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: libqapt has magic like that
[13:43] <apachelogger> ....
[13:43] <apachelogger> see mailing list :P
[13:43] <apachelogger> WRT adding the repo
[13:46] <apachelogger> j-b gone again :(
[13:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: when's the next break?
[13:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: do we need another break?
[13:47] <apachelogger> I need to go get more coffee :P
[13:49] <Riddell> ok break time
[13:49] <Riddell> back at 16:10
[14:14] <apachelogger> yofel: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/07/15/plasma-desktoptZ2309.png
[14:14] <apachelogger> also, are we back yet?
[14:14] <yofel> apachelogger: :D
[14:15] <mikecb> lol
[14:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: in progress
[14:16] <apachelogger> just in case: I hear nothing :P
[14:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: now?
[14:17] <apachelogger> yes
[14:18] <apachelogger> yes
[14:18] <Riddell> awooga
[14:20] <apachelogger> I think kinfocenter & kickoff->computer are a given
[14:20] <apachelogger> question is whether we'd want to put it in systemsettings as well
[14:20] <apachelogger> I think windows also has it in there
[14:20] <apachelogger> no clue where osx has it
[14:20] <apachelogger> IMO kinfocenter actually should be removed from the seed :P
[14:20] <apachelogger> it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to messy
[14:20] <apachelogger> :P
[14:21] <apachelogger> I'd not put it in kinfocenter only
[14:21] <apachelogger> that's not where a user should go
[14:21] <apachelogger> ever
[14:22] <apachelogger> well, it's still in the archive
[14:23] <apachelogger> we can put that in about-distro
[14:23] <apachelogger> actualy the gnome version of it has the driver info as well
[14:25] <apachelogger> http://www.vuntz.net/photoblog/20110413_force-fallback-mode.png
[14:25] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[14:27] <apachelogger> how about having a simplified kinfocenter?
[14:27] <apachelogger> kcms are what need maintaining :P
[14:27] <Riddell> sound hard to design and maintain
[14:27] <apachelogger> if it goes upstream all is good
[14:27] <apachelogger> the shell is relatively simple
[14:28] <apachelogger> just saying, it's an option ^^
[14:28] <Riddell> "about-distro in all three places, kinfo, system settings, kickoff computer
[14:28] <Riddell> consider if we want to keep kinfocentre on the image"
[14:28] <Riddell> is what I've written
[14:33] <Riddell> http://felix.fobos.de/kubuntu/kubuntu-buildstatus.htm
[14:34] <apachelogger> yofel: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/07/15/plasma-desktopB26121.png 5 sloc, and a bash script with another 5 sloc :P
[14:35] <yofel> hehe
[14:35] <yofel> apachelogger: when is that opening? Right when you start drkonqi or when you try to file a bug?
[14:36] <yofel> because still being able to generate backtraces would be handy
[14:36] <apachelogger> when the application starts
[14:36] <apachelogger> yofel: no
[14:36] <yofel> oh, fun
[14:36] <apachelogger> not supported
[14:36] <apachelogger> if the application crashes at all in that envrionment it may be an xmir problem
[14:36] <apachelogger> in which case we do not care
[14:37] <yofel> right, but why prevent the application from running at all?
[14:37] <yofel> there are unity users that like using e.g. kile
[14:37] <apachelogger> it's running
[14:37] <mikecb> This seems like a major abstraction failure...
[14:37] <apachelogger> it just shows a window explaining the stituation
[14:37] <yofel> ah ok
[14:38] <apachelogger> after you oked it the app starts
[14:38] <apachelogger> if it crashes it simply goes away
[14:38] <apachelogger> i.e. drkonqi is not even invoked
[14:38] <apachelogger> apport or whatever can still catch it though I suppose
[14:38] <apachelogger> gdb can anyway
[14:39] <yofel> hm, so you just set KDE_DEBUG?
[14:39] <yofel> (which would be fine with me)
[14:39] <apachelogger> hm?
[14:39] <yofel> apachelogger: well, how did you disable drkonqi?
[14:39] <apachelogger> inside kcrash.cpp
[14:40] <apachelogger> kapplication tries to activate drkonqi, the function however first checks for xmir and if detected throws the info and refuses to activate drkonqi
[14:40] <yofel> aah
[14:41] <apachelogger> then in the handler it checks whether drkonqi was activated and if not simply aborts handling
[14:41] <yofel> apachelogger: can that be done for help->report bug too or is there an easy way to just remove that?
[14:41] <apachelogger> yeah needs some way for that too
[14:41] <apachelogger> anyway
[14:41] <apachelogger> I think we want the on-startup notification
[14:42] <apachelogger> otherwise people may experience issues and turn to the forums and people there get ??? situations
[14:42] <apachelogger> yofel: did you actually manage to build a qt5 source?
[14:42] <yofel> #2 now, #1 FTBFS
[14:43] <apachelogger> it may be that I did not push all of qt5 :P
[14:43] <apachelogger> has nothing to do with multiarch from what I saw
[14:44] <apachelogger> I know
[14:44] <apachelogger> cause qtwebkit is shit :P
[14:44] <apachelogger> but frameworks doesnt require qtwebkit
[14:44] <apachelogger> it all built fine until yofel touched stuff :P
[14:44] <yofel> veeeery funny
[14:44] <apachelogger> I am serious
[14:44] <apachelogger> look at kdelibs
[14:45] <apachelogger> built until july 12 and then it failed and then it got fixed and now plasma fails :P
[14:46] <Riddell> Mamarok: you wanted to look at nepomuk?
[14:46] <apachelogger> nepomuk worked last I checked
[14:46] <apachelogger> dolphin totally knew about my prn
[14:47] <yofel> apachelogger: well, looking
[14:47] <yofel> it did fail on KF5 indeed
[14:47] <apachelogger> yofel: \o/
[14:47] <apachelogger> you're probably best to handle that anyway it only confused me because I did not look at the neon tooling changes ^^
[14:48] <Mamarok> Riddell: yes, please, check with vHanda, it currently doesn't work on 4.11 in Raring
[14:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so what is the solution to that shipping problem?
[14:48] <apachelogger> but what would trigger the notification?
[14:49] <apachelogger> which application that is
[14:49] <apachelogger> also note that I'd like to get rid of the notifications entirely
[14:49] <apachelogger> they should be integrated into the apps
[14:49] <Mamarok> it did work with KDE 4.10.x before
[14:50] <Riddell> Mamarok: works in saucy for me in 4.11
[14:50] <Riddell> and I know it worked in raring with 4.10
[14:50]  * yofel upgrades raring in vbox to 4.11
[14:50] <Mamarok> yes, but it doesn't with 4.11 in Raring, so something is screwd up
[14:51] <Riddell> Mamarok: yofel will test but internet is slow so may take a while to upgrade
[14:52] <Mamarok> OK
[14:52] <Mamarok> just tell me if I need to test something
[14:52] <Mamarok> and grab vHanda, he can tell you what is wrong
[14:52] <Mamarok> as I reported it to him directly
[14:52] <yofel> hm, I'll fetch him when he runs into me
[14:53] <Mamarok> go looking for food, you will sure find him :)
[14:54] <yofel> CMake Error at /opt/project-neon5/share/ECM/find-modules/FindKF5.cmake:123 (message):
[14:54] <yofel>   KF5: requested unknown components KI18n
[14:54] <yofel> o.O
[14:54] <yofel> trying to build myself from git
[14:56] <apachelogger> yofel: missing dep in kf5 maybe?
[14:56] <apachelogger> or too old ECM
[14:57] <apachelogger> heading out now
[14:57] <apachelogger> laters
[14:59]  * Mamarok grrmls at her video drivers crashing everytime I use a browser over a few hours
[15:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: dolphin
[15:02] <shadeslayer> or maybe krunner
[15:06] <yofel> Mamarok: ok, vishesh says it's not his faul, aurelien confirmed that
[15:06] <yofel> and agateau just told me what's wrong
[15:06] <Mamarok> yofel: I know it is not his fault, but he knows what is wrong on your side
[15:32] <ScottK> apachelogger: re is this SRU material, I'd say so if you have a good test case.
[15:32] <ScottK> re the trello card, what one?
[15:42] <yofel> Mamarok: what do you have in /usr/lib/odbc/ ? (or does that folder even exist for you?)
[15:43]  * Mamarok checks
[15:44] <Mamarok> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/pe2f39a06/
[15:45] <yofel> hm
[15:45] <yofel> agateau: you said that you had to symlink those files? ^
[15:45] <Mamarok> symlink to what?
[19:16] <volkan> Riddell: hey Jonathan. is the mail you sent to be done in Docs?
[19:17] <volkan> I could also help with one of the topics
[21:46] <Riddell> volkan: yeah that's feedback about the docs from the kubuntu session today
[21:48] <volkan> Riddell: ops i forgot about that :/
[21:49] <volkan> are there any assignments yet?
[22:03] <Riddell> volkan: check trello.com/kubuntu
[22:03] <Riddell> docs board has the todo list
[22:04] <Riddell> volkan: the stuff I posted today is all fresh, still to be worked on
[22:04] <Riddell> valorie and ahoneybun would be good people to talk to about docs but they're both away just now
[22:07] <Riddell> valorie: but mostly it's a wiki, so edit :)
[22:10] <volkan> Riddell: cool! can I also add some more items to the list?
[22:10] <volkan> I also found that there is no link for translation.
[22:27] <Riddell> volkan: we've not worked out translations but it'll be through launchpad I expect
[22:28] <Riddell> volkan: but yeah do add it
[22:28] <volkan> Riddell: no i mean the direction to wikipage wiki.kubuntu.org/Translations
[22:30] <Riddell> volkan: oh that should be added to the contributions section?
[22:44] <volkan> i think so :?
[22:44] <volkan> Riddell: ^
[22:48] <Riddell> volkan: <valorie > oh ah
[22:48] <Riddell> (I think she's drunk)
[22:48] <Riddell> volkan: but yeah I think it should be in https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/GettingInvolved
[22:48] <Riddell> pointing to upstream and launchpad as best needed
[23:01] <volkan> Riddell: here is the original link, i mistyped before: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Translations
[23:31] <apachelogger> ScottK: the standing SRU for more software card


[06:39] <TiMiDo> hey when you writte you're own docs. where do you send them so they can be. put on the ubuntu website?
[08:13] <mdke> TiMiDo: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam for all information about contributing documentation
[08:14] <mdke> joerlend: please report any errors you find on Launchpad at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-doc and make it clear which page has the error
[14:17] <joerlend> mdke, seems to be a regression in one of the packages used in that guide. Anyway, the bug I was talking about had already been reported as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/auth-client-config/+bug/295008
[22:02] <LaserJock> any yelp experts around?
[22:45] <joerlend> rm -Rf help.ubuntu.com
[22:46] <joerlend> _none_ of the LDAP-related helpfiles there works. They're all wrong. It's terribly frustrating.
[22:48] <LaserJock> joerlend: it's a wiki so if you're able to fix them then go for it
[22:49] <joerlend> give me access, and I'll help by issuing the beforementioned command.
[22:49] <joerlend> but seriously, I don't think I'd be of any help. I'm reading the helpfiles for a reason.
[22:50] <LaserJock> joerlend: unfortunately that's a common problem
[22:52] <joerlend> yes, but someone wrote thiese.
[22:52] <LaserJock> sure, and it worked for them
[22:53] <LaserJock> I've struggled myself with the LDAP stuff
[22:54] <LaserJock> I'm not sure how old some of that LDAP stuff is, perhaps it's just outdated, or is to dependent on a particular setup
[22:54] <joerlend> right. It seems every release changes configuration options, file names and stuff for everything.
[22:56] <joerlend> following the guide for gutsy, my hardy setup was trashed completely so that I couldn't use sudo.
[22:59] <LaserJock> yikes, that shouldn't happen
[23:07] <joerlend> right, but that's the type of thing that happens when help documents only tell you _what_ to do and never why.
[23:09] <joerlend> seems to have changed alot between 8.04 and 8.04.1 if I should listen to all the different guides for 8.04.
[23:51] <joerlend> I'm downloading debian 4.0r5. I hope that's better.
[23:52] <joerlend> ubuntu was simply too difficult because all documentation was wrong :(
[23:55] <LaserJock> lol
[23:55] <LaserJock> good luck with that