[00:02] <Crell> Hm.  Do I need to format the new drive before I can add it to the raid array?
[00:04] <Crell> mdadm seems to not be accepting any commands to add or remove drives.  It also claims I have both md1 and md0, with partitions from all drives on each of them.  Except the new one, which is on md1 only, but marked with an S.
[01:22] <turner> list
[01:31] <oerheks> turner ... pssst, all torrents https://torrent.ubuntu.com/
[02:49] <oerheks> yes
[02:49] <oerheks> no??
[03:59] <mybalzitch> maybe
[04:01] <oerheks> sometimes
[04:30] <darwin> i have sudo (but not main administrator) access to an Ubuntu server.  They didn't give me the username I wanted, so I added it and did 'usermod -aG user' in which 'user' is my username.  I logged in as it and typed 'groups'.  It said 'user sudo' in which 'user' is my username, so adding to the sudo group worked.  The problem is I still can't 'sudo' nor 'sudo su -' as this user; password only works for the original user they created for me, not the new one
[04:30] <darwin> they said I can change/add the user
[04:31] <mybalzitch> did you sudo passwd user ?
[04:31] <darwin> i added a password on setup.  My password isn't the same as the root password
[04:32] <darwin> i see, you get root access with a user password?  This doesn't seem secure
[04:32] <toddc1> darwin: you need to add yourself to the sudo users group
[04:32] <toddc1> gone vapor
[05:24] <tarzeau> so my focal ended up with debootstrap 1.0.118ubuntu1.10 and apt policy debootstrap says: 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status (not from a repository)
[05:24] <tarzeau> is it only me finding that annoying?
[05:29] <alkisg> tarzeau: how did you get it, did they push it to the archive and reverted it to the older version?
[06:25] <Guest99> hi guys, Im trying to setup a WireGuard VPN so I can Self-host a VPN. Does anybody have any advice for self-hosting WireGuard VPNs on Linux VPSs?
[06:41] <cxl> Hi all, my zsysd seems to be rather confused about its states. A while back I didn't know about `zsysctl state {remove,save}` so I messed with the snapshots etc manually with `zfs` directly. This resulted in a major headache of dependent snapshots that were gobbling up free space because deleted files always had a reference. Anyway, that's solved now, but `zsysctl show` has bogus entries with a date of
[06:41] <cxl> 0001-01-01 00:00:00 and the snapshot names don't match what `zfs list` shows. How do I recover from this? See https://gist.github.com/coaxial/625328fe95a6474a2928e01cae637116
[06:47] <rfm> cxl. zsys has no other storage than the zfs properties, so once you seek out and destroy all the bogus snapshots that should go away.
[06:50] <tarzeau> alkisg: yes, on focal i didn't turn off phased updates
[06:50] <tarzeau> alkisg: since it's a group of 8 machines that finish end of year.
[06:51] <throwthecheese> Is there any chance that global menus will be brought back?
[06:51] <alkisg> tarzeau: I mean, this update hasn't reached me at all, and I do have phased updates turned off, which means I would get all updates
[06:51] <alkisg> So it sounds like they published it and then withdrew it
[06:51] <tarzeau> alkisg: we run automatic update+upgrade every night...
[06:52] <tarzeau> alkisg: can you turn off phased updates without removing the -updates repo? (i wasn't able to)
[06:52] <tarzeau> alkisg: the withdrawal can also happen much later, there's a page about phased updates, if the automatic bug reporting goes up a lot, they even take back updates at 80%
[06:52] <tarzeau> throwthecheese: apt install menu ?
[06:54] <alkisg> tarzeau: sure, but by "turning off phased updates" I mean "get all of them". Do you mean "get none of them"?
[06:54] <tarzeau> alkisg: yes, not install any of them, never
[06:54] <tarzeau> alkisg: because when you have 1+ computers you want them at the same state, well normally. unless you're chaotic
[06:54] <throwthecheese> By global menus I meant the menu bars of programs appearing in the top panel
[06:55] <alkisg> Getting all of them is "same state", but there's a chance that you'll end up with withdrawn packages (or however that word is spelled)
[06:55] <tarzeau> throwthecheese: yes you can still have them. appears you mean gnome only. there's addons for having global menu
[06:56] <throwthecheese> The only addon that works hangs up LibreOffice
[06:59] <Guest99> Hi, how can I set a VPN-only firewall with a custom wireguard VPN? The best method I know is to set a UFW firewall rule to only allow connections to and from the VPN server IP, do u guys know a better way?
[07:00] <throwthecheese> I'm looking for software that can rotate both display and stylus
[07:02] <throwthecheese> I had to switch to XFCE to get a non-laggy global menu but problem is that it doesn't really support tablet PCs out of the box
[07:30] <xangua> throwthecheese: Ubuntu unity has global menus
[10:35] <bhechinger> Has anyone else experienced VRAM leakage with Xorg? I'm on Ubuntu Studio 22.04 and my Xorg VRAM usage grows over time. I was getting terrible performance in Cyberpunk the other day and it was due to Xorg consuming 4.5GB VRAM on my GPU. This is with nvidia proprietarty drivers.
[10:54] <weedmic> bhechinger: no, but I am curious how you are measuring this growth?  htop?
[10:54] <bhechinger> weedmic: nvtop.
[10:54] <bhechinger>    4057  root   0 Graphic   0%    356MiB   3%     2%    143MiB /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg -nolisten tcp -auth /var/run/sddm/{3d1d8b92-34e6-4a0f-84e
[10:54] <bhechinger> I just rebooted, before I did that was at 2.9G
[10:55] <bhechinger> (First MiB value, second is system ram usage)
[10:55] <tarzeau> bhechinger: which nvidia drivers? which hardware exactly? dkms status and lspci?
[10:56] <weedmic> Mine is 0.9% and has remained so since you posted this.  and it is running like 25 items +/- - you may have some issue
[10:57] <bhechinger> https://gist.github.com/bhechinger/593e200043dc62ae0488ab80fb761785
[10:58] <bhechinger>    4057  root   0 Graphic   0%    372MiB   3%     0%    143MiB /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg -nolisten tcp -auth /var/run/sddm/{3d1d8b92-34e6-4a0f-84e
[10:58] <bhechinger> It's gone up almost 20MiB in the last 4 minutes
[11:00] <tarzeau> bhechinger: it's maybe related to sddm ? can you try without sddm?
[11:03] <bhechinger> tarzeau: I'm not sure how hard that would be. How would sddm cause Xorg to leak memory though? Doesn't it just get things launched and then basically step out of the way?
[11:22] <tarzeau> bhechinger: i've seen gdm and lightdm leak memory, not often, but it happens.
[11:30] <bhechinger> tarzeau: Yeah, but this is Xorg leaking VRAM, so I don't think those would be related.
[11:40] <tarzeau> bhechinger: i've seen it all :)
[12:37] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:53] <yates_work> how do i get nodejs version 10.13.0 when the apt-installed package is 8.10.0~dfsg-2ubuntu0.4
[12:54] <leftyfb> yates_work: you install a supported version of ubuntu
[13:15] <pickanick> [Ubuntu 22.04] When I issue 'fwupdmgr get-results' and select (UEFI dbx), it returns: Previous version:     77  Update State:         Failed:  Update Error:         failed to run update on reboot Last modified ...  Device Flags: • Internal device • Updatable • Needs a reboot after installation
[13:15] <pickanick> many weeks have passed since this failed update What should I do to make it try again, hopefully successfully?
[13:16] <pickanick> when I 'fwupdmgr get-releases $DeviceID' it returns: 'No releases found: Not compatible with org.freedesktop.fwupd version 1.7.9, requires >= 1.9.1'
[13:48] <Guest8394> Hello, can someone help me understand how the WAN enp3s0 connects in Ubuntu on my virtual setup? https://i.imgur.com/SN3AB9H.png
[13:49] <leftyfb> Guest8394: is this for some sort of course?
[13:51] <Guest8394> leftyfb, no, I just set up my desktop with a vm router.  Just trying to map the topology.  I can see and map the lan traffic, but I don't understand how the WAN traffic connects from Wired connection1 to VM router WAN?
[13:55] <Guest8394> I suspect the last connection I'm missing may be Wired connection1 to vitbr0, but I can't confirm with any evidence?
[13:58] <al1r4d> throwthecheese: just download the package
[13:59] <leftyfb> al1r4d: they left over 3 hours ago
[13:59] <al1r4d> leftyfb: oh, sorey
[13:59] <al1r4d> I sent via xmpp lol..
[13:59] <al1r4d> I still able to see his chat
[14:00] <leftyfb> right, from over 6 hours ago
[14:18] <Buff3r0v3rfl0w> how can I verify my Wireguard tunnel is working as expected? I want to verify encrypted traffic is flowing
[14:22] <zaggynl> Buff3r0v3rfl0w: wg show I'd say?
[14:23] <Buff3r0v3rfl0w> hmm it says wg is listening on port 59962, but my server is set to use 2002 for the actual connection hmmmm.
[14:54] <signofzeta> I've been getting this error when doing an apt upgrade for a while:   trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libodbc.so.2.0.0', which is also in package libodbc2:amd64 2.3.9-5
[14:54] <signofzeta> Looks like I somehow fell into dependency hell. what's the best way to troubleshoot this?
[14:55] <signofzeta> (Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS, amd64)
[14:55] <leftyfb> signofzeta: ( cat /etc/os-release ; uname -a ; apt-cache policy libodbc2 ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:56] <signofzeta> leftyfb: https://termbin.com/8plxs
[14:57] <signofzeta> It's trying to install libodbc2 2.3.11-1.  Let me get a pastebin link, one second
[14:57] <leftyfb> don't
[14:58] <signofzeta> ok
[14:59] <leftyfb> signofzeta: so to clarify, you're only getting that error when trying to install libodbc2 2.3.11-1 right?
[15:00] <signofzeta> yeah, it's been happening for a little while, but I haven't been able to figure it out.  It's a part of my apt upgrade. Everything else installs just fine.
[15:00] <leftyfb> signofzeta: please pastebin the command you are running and the output to get the error message
[15:01] <signofzeta> Here's the output of `sudo apt -f upgrade`: https://termbin.com/1cfj
[15:01] <signofzeta> I didn't install libodbc2 by myself; it must be a dependency of something.
[15:03] <leftyfb> signofzeta: apt-cache policy libodbc1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:04] <signofzeta> ah, it's one of my third-party sources.  https://termbin.com/keyy
[15:04] <leftyfb> there you go
[15:05] <signofzeta> what should I do to resolve it?  Should I uninstall libodbc2 and let APT grab the newer version?
[15:05] <signofzeta> I see it's only a patch-level release (2.3.9 -> 2.3.11) so I don't think it'd cause any API/ABI changes.
[15:05] <leftyfb> signofzeta:  I would remove libodbc1 and libodbc12 and all the dependencies and contact Microsoft for support with their repo/packages
[15:06] <signofzeta> Got it, thank you for showing me why it's failing.
[15:06] <signofzeta> unfortunately, I do use PowerShell quite a lot
[15:06] <leftyfb> or you could put the packages from their repo on hold so they don't upgrade
[15:06] <leftyfb> signofzeta: sudo snap install powershell --classic
[15:07] <leftyfb> no need for 3rd part repos
[15:07] <signofzeta> Good idea, I might switch to the snap.
[15:08] <signofzeta> nothing (first-party or third-party) is malfunctioning, so I guess I'll try switching over.
[15:21] <Rocketeer99> Hey, I think I found a very worrying bug:
[15:21] <Rocketeer99> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/289207224075812864/1120370426816757882/20230619_111045.jpg
[15:22] <leftyfb> !bug | Rocketeer99
[15:24] <Rocketeer99> I was hoping somebody could replicate it - I can replicate by just unplugging and replugging the external monitor after locking the screen
[15:24] <Rocketeer99> This is ubuntu 20.04 with Gnome, all up to date
[15:25] <Buff3r0v3rfl0w> is there a way to make wireguard auto-reconnect if it disconnects?
[15:25] <Rocketeer99> expected behavior: screen stays locked
[15:25] <Rocketeer99> actual behavior: dock appears "above" the lock screen and can be interacted with, leaking open window previews without unlocking
[15:26] <Rocketeer99> But I'm not sure exactly what package to report it against or how to narrow that down
[15:26] <Buff3r0v3rfl0w> remove the dock
[15:30] <Rocketeer99> looks like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock/+bug/1769383 since I have dash-to-dock installed but not enabled, and the dock on the lock screen is dash to dock
[15:30] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1769383 in gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock (Ubuntu Disco) "Ubuntu dock/launcher is shown on the lock screen" [High, Fix Released]
[17:53] <webchat31> Hi there. I want to install uibuntu 22.04.2 on an older dual core. The ISO is too large to fit on a DVD disk and the motherboard does not support USB boot. What do I do?
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> webchat31: try a lubuntu or a smaller ubuntu !flavour
[17:54] <webchat31> Is anyone there?
[17:54] <leftyfb> webchat31: I've never heard of a modern motherboard that doesn't support USB boot
[17:54] <leftyfb> are you sure about this?
[17:56] <leftyfb> webchat31: regardless, use this https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mini-iso/daily-live/pending/mantic-mini-iso-amd64.iso
[17:57] <webchat31> Well, the ASRock board has an Intel G31 chip[set. It's an early board that will run a single or dual CPU
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> webchat31: there's also a tool out there named 'plop' boot manager you can burn on cd/dvd to simulate an usb boot virtualy
[17:58] <webchat31> USB booting is not on the list ib BIOS
[17:58] <leftyfb> lotuspsychje: https://ubunlog.com/en/asi-funciona-y-para-esto-sirve-la-nueva-ubuntu-mini-iso/  the iso I linked to is what they're looking for
[17:58] <webchat31> Should have said dual copre
[17:59] <webchat31> pardon my typos
[18:04] <webchat31> Thank you, leftyfb and lotuspsychje, I think that's what I'm looking for
[18:25] <ogra> webchat31, note that this image is for the brave ... this is for the current in-development release (mantic ... 23.10) ...
[18:26] <ogra> (it might offer to download and install an LTS though, but it might lso still have bugs)
[18:26] <ogra> *also
[18:26] <leftyfb> ogra: the article shows it gas options for 22.04 desktop
[18:26] <leftyfb> gas/has/
[18:27] <ogra> ah, cool ... i wanst sure if they had added it (i tried an early version that didnt have many options 🙂 )
[18:27] <ogra> *wasn't
[18:27] <leftyfb> it looks pretty nifty in fact
[18:28] <leftyfb> it might be something I keep on me at all times
[18:28] <leftyfb> though at the moment, I still require 20.04 server so ..... maybe in a year or so :)
[18:37] <enigma9o7> I would like to make qt apps have gnome title bars on jammy.   After various tests and trying stuff I found qgnomeplatform, but it isn't available for jammy.  I tried to build it from debian's source package but need libadwaitaqt-dev >= 1.42  and only have 1.41.
[18:38] <enigma9o7> So I looking for any suggestions, either another approach completely, or how to make this way work, etc.
[18:41] <enigma9o7> I also tried to build it manually from git, and same issue, cmake wants that newer version of libadwaitaqt-dev.
[18:41] <Guest87> Have you thought about gettin libadwaitaqt-dev from their git and like replacing the old one?
[18:44] <enigma9o7> I'm afraid of breaking stuff doing that )
[18:44] <enigma9o7> But yeah ok maybe I should give that a try.
[18:44] <enigma9o7> Just keeps getting harder and harder, farther down the rabbit hole.
[18:46] <Guest87> If you are afraid make a chroot enviroment or a VM so that you don't brake your own system
[18:48] <leftyfb> enigma9o7: use an lxd container to test these sorts of things
[19:05] <anderson_> hola
[19:05] <anderson_> wuao, como te llamas
[19:05] <leftyfb> !es | anderson_
[19:35] <Guest17> Hello, I just arrived in Nicaragua, I am trying to connect my laptop to the wifi. It says I'm connected, I can ping the router but can not ping google.com
[19:35] <leftyfb> Guest17: that would be a router/ISP issue. Not ubuntu
[19:35] <Guest17> I'm on phone on irc webclient. Phone can connect to wifi
[19:36] <Guest17> There is a windows laptop that connects too. Just my Ubuntu 20.04 that wont
[19:38] <Guest15> Sorry, I guess I'm guest15 now
[19:39] <Guest15> I don't know if it's a. O
[19:40] <Guest15> I don't know if it's a country thing, but my laptop was working stateside, now it's the only device that won't work on the wifi here
[19:41] <enigma9o7> try an http address (not https) and see if theres some login portal redirect
[19:44] <Guest15> Enigma9o7 not sure I follow. Most public websites are https right? And I'm not sure how to see if there is a login redirect.  Unless you mean In the browser
[19:47] <Guest15> So browser can't reach anything. First says dns, then no internet. Then connection interrupted, then dns probe started
[19:50] <enigma9o7> its probably not a login portal anyway if your windows and android devices connected automatically.  But yeah what i meant was using a web brwoser, for example http://m.cnn.com
[19:50] <enigma9o7> if there's a login portal it'll intercept that
[20:36] <hearit> hello, anyone can help me plz? i have problems with apt-get update lazarus package
[20:40] <yensito> help plz
[20:40] <enigma9o7> neither of you have given any clues, not sure how to guess
[20:44] <duuude> hearit: sudo apt install lazarus
[20:44] <duuude> to update that
[20:44] <duuude> if there is any new version
[20:45] <yensito> https://pastebin.com/Rh2YmQhW
[20:45] <yensito> i always get that errorlog no matter what package  try to installor uninstall
[20:54] <yensito> i wanto to remove lazarus
[20:54] <yensito> i dont need it anymore but i cant
[20:55] <tarzeau> yensito: can't because ?
[20:55] <tarzeau> i usually do dpkg -P --force-all badpkg
[20:55] <yensito> look that pastebin allways i get that error message https://pastebin.com/Rh2YmQhW
[20:55] <tarzeau> saw it
[20:55] <yensito> ok
[21:12] <yensito> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[21:16] <iluminetion> Olá amigos 😃
[21:17] <yensito> helpp plz
[21:19] <iluminetion> Hello friend
[21:21] <iluminetion> Matrix  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/AoWH5bre/matrix.jpg
[21:23] <leftyfb> iluminetion: this is an ubuntu support channel
[21:25] <iluminetion> Yes
[21:25] <iluminetion> Só achei esses
[21:26] <iluminetion> Aconselha algum outro 🙂
[21:27] <leftyfb> !pt | iluminetion
[21:27] <yensito> brazuka get lost macaco
[21:28] <Bashing-om> yensito: Looks to me like you have 2 versions of lazarus installed. Please post back ' dpkg -l lazarus ; apt policy lazarus ' . See what we can finger out here/
[21:35] <iluminetion> yensito:  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Us0ZoFeq/%F0%9F%98%8E.jpg
[21:35] <leftyfb> iluminetion: please stop
[21:35] <yensito> he is trying to hack me with jpg images caontaining some malicious code
[21:35] <yensito> please ban him
[21:35] <iluminetion> Not
[21:36] <atmark> hello, any idea why isn't there mainline build for v5.15.99 in https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ ?
[21:38] <leftyfb> atmark: why do you need 5.15.0-99?
[21:42] <yensito> Bashing-om,
[21:42] <yensito> https://pastebin.com/WqcFeBBP
[21:43] <atmark> leftyfb: I'm hitting what seems to be live migration bug in KVM using the linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04( 5.15.0-75.82~20.04.1-generic ). 5.15.0-75 is mapped 5.15.99 mainline. I compiled 5.15.99 from kernel.org and didn't experience the said bug
[21:44] <atmark> I wanted to try out v5.15.0-99 mainline but I couldn't find it in the mainline repo
[21:44] <Bashing-om> yensito: Looking ^ ,
[21:48] <Bashing-om> yensito: "http://http.kali.org/kali" I know nothing of Kali ---- what is the host system here ? pastebin ' lsb_release -a ' please.
[21:51] <sem> How would I debug the following: My hardware volume up/down keys aren't doing anything, but my keyboard function keys for volume are working. How can I get the hardware keys to work
[21:53] <yensito> its just the same, its a distro based on ubuntu, apt and dpkg systems works just like ubuntu
[21:53] <Bashing-om> !kali | yensito
[21:58] <yensito> !nelson_mandela
[22:06] <yensito> nelson mandela will say, that attitude is not ubuntu
[22:07] <LjL> ljl will say, this channel was tired of these excuses back in 2006
[22:07] <LjL> shut up and go ask your distro's channel
[22:55] <cuken> I'm having a hard time determining what I should put in to apt-get install when I want to request a specific version. I did an apt search on ansible and the version It returned looked like 7.6.0, but  requesting that specifically via apt-get install ansible=7.6.0 did not work. Any thoughts?
[22:56] <LjL> cuken, == iirc, not =
[22:56] <cuken> LjL ahh! I'll try that thank you
[23:04] <cuken> LjL if I use == it throws an error about unable to locate package ansible=
[23:05] <enigma9o7> does apt policy ansible show more than one version available?
[23:05] <LjL> cuken, sorry then, i must have remembered wrong. but what they said: if it's not available in the repos you have enabled, tough luck.
[23:05] <cuken> When I look at the output from search it shows: ansible-core/jammy,now 2.14.6-1ppa~jammy all [installed,automatic]
[23:05] <cuken> I assumed version was just 2.14.6
[23:05] <LjL> not searc. "apt policy ansible"
[23:05] <enigma9o7> cuken, you're using ppa, thats not official ubuntu
[23:06] <Bashing-om> cuken: what release are you on there ... as 20.04 shows version 2.9.6+dfsg-1.
[23:06] <enigma9o7> but in any case, apt policy will show you all versions you have available, for any source yo yuhave set up
[23:06] <enigma9o7> and those are the versions you can install.  the one listed as candidate is the one that'll install if you dont specify.
[23:06] <enigma9o7> if therea re others, you must specify the version
[23:06] <cuken> ahh understood thanks all
[23:07] <cuken> so it looks like the version I'm getting back includes the ppa~jammy I added
[23:07] <cuken> I'll try that thanks
[23:09] <enigma9o7> ubuntu usually only provides one major version per ubuntu release, th ey dont usually update that, the udpates are just bug/security fixes for that particular version
[23:09] <enigma9o7> but ppa can get you a newer version than ubuntu provides
[23:09] <enigma9o7> and then apt policy will show both available, with the highest version number as the install candidate
[23:10] <cuken> Understood thanks, I realized part of the other issue is (in docker where I was running this) I didn't import the ppa prior to referencing the ppa version
[23:21] <cuken> That worked thanks all!
[23:29] <Bashing-om> !yay | cuken


[06:37] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> The new artwork has been packaged, tested, and uploaded to Lunar. You should probably expect to see some fancy new stuff in near-future ISOs. :)
[06:38] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Does anyone think it would be a good idea for me to put this on Discourse, possibly with (reduced-size) previews of the new SDDM screen and wallpaper?
[06:41] <guiverc> When the final release notes are created/written, then wallpaper images are required (links online somewhere) so you're just pre-empting what will be required in due course anyway; but I'm not sure anything much is gained with images (code changes to me create more 'buzz'; but I could be wrong!) - but I don't see that it would hurt; I'd likely post when daily is downloadable (to prevent user asking on thread why they don't see images on
[06:41] <guiverc> new ISO just downloaded...)
[06:41] <guiverc> and thanks arraybolt3 !
[06:43] <guiverc> (Dan often posts the new wallpaper backgruonds to wallpaper thread on discourse just prior to release notes being posted... so he has a URL/link to use for example..)
[06:43] <arraybolt3> guiverc: Makes sense to me, thanks!
[06:45] <guiverc> If they were just posted to the wallpaper thread, I don't see the need to wait for images to be on daily; just note they'll appear very soon (maybe tomorrow's ISO)..  ; delay was if new thread is started
[06:46] <arraybolt3> I figure if it's not really what we're looking for in an announcement, and it's something that will be done later anyway, maybe I should just leave it so that it's a fun surprise near the end like it usually is.
[06:46] <arraybolt3> (As in, not post it.)
[06:47] <guiverc> ack & :)     My opinion is just that; my 2c worth..
[06:56] <guiverc> Maybe post in the screenshots thread (an example of Dan's post can be found here https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/screenshot-thread/221/46 for jammy; pics for wordpress/blog post) but in a 'fun/teasing' nature; ie. no clear reference to 23.04 maybe?   Note: I've not thought this idea thru  (maybe wait for anothers thoughts on it..)
[06:59] <guiverc> (feels a little early for lunar teasers to me, but may preempt queries on why we've not competition [i usually get/see 2-5 enquiries on wallpaper comp each cycle]; the recent Ubuntu Desktop comp. often causes the enquiries...)
[13:39] <lubot_> [matrix] <kc2bez> I say post away to the screenshot thread. If something changes we can always post again.
[17:08] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/status-waiting-for-configuration-file-prompt/3948 Looks like we have some Focal work to do.
[17:08] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Someone hit the lubuntu-update-notifier bug in the wild.
[17:31] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> On the bright side, I have an MR for libfm-qt in Debian.


[00:11] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: fix commited. not sure if I did it right. I changed the version to 1.7 maybe it should be 1.6ubuntu1 or something for sru...
[00:11] <OvenWerks> tsimonq2: ^^
[00:14] <tsimonq2> If the package is native and the version is 1.7, the update should be 1.7.1.
[00:14] <tsimonq2> Native packages never get "ubuntu" unless it exists in Debian and their version is also native.
[00:19] <OvenWerks> tsimonq2: so I should have put 1.6.1
[00:20] <OvenWerks> anyway, back to Ardour...
[00:22] <tsimonq2> Yup.
[00:23] <tsimonq2> OvenWerks: Need an upload? :)
[00:23] <OvenWerks> yes
[00:23] <OvenWerks> but I am not sure what needs to be done to get it to work with 18.10 (sru, backport, whatever)
[00:24] <OvenWerks> I just fix stuff, I don't understand packaging or policy :)
[00:26] <tsimonq2> No problem :)
[00:26] <tsimonq2> So here's the gist of it.
[00:26] <tsimonq2> Fill out a bug report using this template: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#SRU_Bug_Template
[00:26] <tsimonq2> I'll nominate the fix for Bionic in Launchpad and assign you to it.
[00:27] <tsimonq2> From there, get the fix, include the bug number (in the form of LP: #*******) in the changelog and push it somewhere.
[00:28] <tsimonq2> I review, make sure it follows the SRU guidelines, bounce it back to you if changes are needed, fix things if they're trivial, and upload.
[00:29] <tsimonq2> It then goes in the queue, a member of the SRU team reviews and if accepted, leaves a comment on the bug report. You then test, adjust bug tags and leave a comment if you think it looks good, and then it has to wait a minimum of seven days before being released.
[00:29] <tsimonq2> That's it.
[00:54] <OvenWerks> tsimonq2: so the fix needs to be up loaded and released for D cycle first.
[00:55] <tsimonq2> Ideally, but it's an awkward point in the cycle so not mandatory.
[00:58] <OvenWerks> I was going to enable our PPA builds for D but that option is not there yet :)
[01:00] <OvenWerks> tsimonq2: I think this will have to wait a bit. it seems there is no way to test the fix well. (on someone elses machine besides mine)
[01:49] <tsimonq2> OK.


[00:12] <ovidiu-florin> I've already notified the Romanian Community
[00:12] <ovidiu-florin> first page translated to Ro :D
[00:14] <valorie> ovidiu-florin: you rock
[00:30] <sgclark> we are switching to Firefox as default in 14.04 right?
[00:40] <valorie> yes
[01:16] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1268690] package libqtdbus4 (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/li... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1268690 (by dino99)
[01:16] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1269203] package libqtdbus4 4:4.8.5+git192-g085f851+dfsg-2ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: trying... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1269203 (by Jonathan Mounier)
[02:01] <ahoneybun> sgclark: nice progress so far
[02:02] <sgclark> ty, on what? :)
[02:05] <sgclark> ahoneybun: can you look over software? I tried to integrate Muon Discover instructions where applicable
[02:06] <ahoneybun> sure I took to the Kubuntu Documentation Google+ page as well
[02:06] <ahoneybun> I'm wondering about Muon Discover as it seems decent but MSC is more stable
[02:09] <ahoneybun> you put Moun
[02:12] <sgclark> oops
[02:12] <ahoneybun> I got it :)
[02:14] <ahoneybun> guess we should fix that part about Firefox
[02:14] <sgclark> I want to stick with discover due to the really easy interface
[02:14] <sgclark> I added a Note, when this actually releases we can update that part
[02:15] <ahoneybun> I see
[02:19] <ahoneybun> fixed
[02:19] <ahoneybun> also there was a link that was weird
[02:19] <ahoneybun> fix it as well
[02:21] <sgclark> thank you
[02:21] <ahoneybun> np
[02:22] <ahoneybun> Polish is coming up
[02:22] <ahoneybun> on the home page
[02:24] <sgclark> Software look ok to mark?
[02:25] <sgclark> ahoneybun: ^^
[02:26] <ahoneybun> let me check
[02:27] <sgclark> be back in a few mins
[02:34] <ahoneybun> sgclark: looks good
[02:35] <ahoneybun> omg the polish home page has been accessed more then the english one but it was just created
[02:37] <sgclark> nice :)
[02:38] <ahoneybun> amazing the home page is in 3 langs already
[02:38] <ahoneybun> note sure if everyone knows about the other ones
[02:38] <sgclark> we are officially 100% ready for translators!
[02:39] <sgclark> move the userbase card to don in trello?
[02:47] <ahoneybun> done
[02:47] <sgclark> cool ty :)
[02:49] <ahoneybun> its weird how just the home page has translations
[02:49] <ahoneybun> well there is one from ovidiu-florin
[02:53] <sgclark> Catalan has translation activity on all the pages
[02:53] <sgclark> cept software, but that just went up for translation
[02:54] <sgclark> It is very early where translators are :)
[02:54] <ahoneybun> true
[03:43] <ahoneybun> valorie: translations are incoming
[03:43] <valorie> I know!
[03:43] <ahoneybun> lol
[03:43] <valorie> maybe I don't even need to write an email, except: thank you
[03:44] <ahoneybun> yea
[03:44] <ahoneybun> all the pages are ready now though
[03:48] <valorie> right, we still need the folks to show up and translate the strings
[03:49] <ahoneybun> yep just have to wait
[03:51] <ahoneybun> I also took to the Google+ page too
[03:52] <valorie> cool
[03:53] <ahoneybun> yep
[04:03] <valorie> I have a question: do you think it's a good idea to issue a call for translators to the Kubuntu-users list?
[04:03] <valorie> or will that create more problems than it's worth
[04:04] <valorie> on the one hand, it's a lovely way to get people involved with KDE and Kubuntu
[04:04] <valorie> otoh, it is on KDE infra, and involves creating an Identity login, and learning the userbase wiki translation system
[06:20] <mattcen> Hi all. I'm looking for the SVG of the default Kubuntu 13.04 wallpaper. Anybody know where it is?
[06:28] <valorie> mattcen: this is not a support channel
[06:28] <valorie> I answered you in #kubuntu
[07:41] <JamesF> I want to install project neon 5 but am getting the error message while installin : http://www.pastebin.com/ZXDwSD72
[07:41] <JamesF> 		please help :)
[07:43] <valorie> hey, JamesF, try #project-neon
[07:43] <valorie> although it's sort of early/late for the main developers
[07:43] <shadeslayer> JamesF: PN5 is not available for raring
[07:44] <valorie> ha, shadeslayer makes a liar outa me
[07:44] <shadeslayer> heh, you forget I'm in IST
[07:45] <shadeslayer> JamesF: only available for Saucy/Trusty, we do not have the man power to maintain for more than 2 releases
[07:47]  * shadeslayer goes back to 4.12.1
[07:55] <JamesF> thanks valorie
[07:55] <valorie> heh
[07:55] <JamesF> thanks shadeslayer
[07:55] <valorie> yw, but shadeslayer does the work!
[08:03] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:16] <soee> hiho :)
[08:16] <soee> i see 4.12.1 for trusty almist ready :)
[08:29] <shadeslayer> yeah, ~almost
[08:29] <shadeslayer> just need to update symbols for kdepimlibs
[08:29] <shadeslayer> but my connection is so slow
[08:30] <soee> :)
[08:31] <soee> why so slow ?
[08:39] <valorie> when shadeslayer was still living in India, he very often made this same complaint
[08:39] <valorie> guess where he is right now?
[08:41] <soee> im sure nes not in Poland - hes internet is slow but works !
[08:41] <valorie> heh
[08:41] <soee> *his
[08:42] <shadeslayer> I have to wait for Strike Suit Zero to finish :(
[08:42] <shadeslayer> another hour
[08:57] <soee> shadeslayer: how much beer costs in India ?
[08:57] <shadeslayer> I have no clue
[08:57] <shadeslayer> been quite some time since I had to pay for beer in India
[08:57] <soee> ee so where are you now ? :)
[08:58] <shadeslayer> My guess is 2 EUR for a bottle ..
[08:58] <shadeslayer> ( on the higher side )
[08:58] <shadeslayer> soee: I am in India, but haven't had a chance to go out to drink yet
[08:58] <shadeslayer> possibly in a couple of days or so
[08:59] <soee> anyway i just sent £4,00 GBP by Kubuntu donation, it for you to buy some drink :)
[08:59] <shadeslayer> haha :D
[08:59] <shadeslayer> thank you :)
[09:04] <soee> i have to set automatic monthly dontaion
[09:04] <valorie> that's awesome!
[09:05] <shadeslayer> indeed ^^
[09:05] <soee> thats not much for now but always something :)
[09:43] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1269297] package libqtdbus4 4:4.8.5+git192-g085f851+dfsg-2ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: trying... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1269297 (by braykov)
[10:52] <Quintasan> lol shadeslayer you alcoholic
[10:52] <Quintasan> :P
[10:52] <shadeslayer> whut
[10:52] <shadeslayer> y u call me alcoholic
[10:53] <Quintasan> Because you drink all the time
[10:53] <Quintasan> :P
[10:54] <shadeslayer> I most certainly do not
[10:55] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I say otherwise :P
[10:55] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: How does one sit through a lecture without idling on IRC?
[10:55] <shadeslayer> haha
[10:56] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: college used to block IRC over wifi
[10:56] <Quintasan> ahaahhaha
[10:56] <Quintasan> let them try it
[10:56] <Quintasan> I'm just going to tunnel everything.
[10:56] <shadeslayer> they blocked tunnelling too
[10:56] <shadeslayer> IIRC only port 80 was open
[10:56] <Quintasan> Then set up your VPN or SSH to port 80
[10:57] <alvin> +1
[10:57] <shadeslayer> and 443 IIRC
[10:57] <Quintasan> lol
[10:57] <alvin> Or Quassel server
[10:58] <shadeslayer> where was I ... ah yeah, waiting for strike force zero to finish downloading while kdepim builds
[10:58] <shadeslayer> so tired / sleepy
[11:40] <mitya57> shadeslayer: Hm, bug 1269203 is still the same issue with -0ubuntu3 and native amd64 package
[11:41] <mitya57> Should we have Breaks/Replaces: libqt4-dbus:any (<< 4:4.8.5)?
[11:42]  * shadeslayer is confused by that bug report honestly
[11:42] <shadeslayer> if you have a i386 package, and upgrade, the i386 package will do the needful no?
[11:48] <mitya57> I've asked on #ubuntu-devel, hopefully there are some multiarch experts there
[12:36] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:44] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1269199] Qt library crashes @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1269199 (by Andrew)
[13:17] <apachelogger> Migrate to emacs policy v2.0: cmake-data no longer needs to depend on
[13:17] <apachelogger>     emacsen-common but pretty recent debhelper is needed at build time.
[13:17]  * apachelogger sighs
[14:03] <yofel> let's just switch to here
[14:04] <yofel> I'm not particulary against updating qt for precise, but I think that wouldn't be a backport but updating the current precise backport
[14:04] <yofel> I can put that on my todo list, but don't expect me to hurry
[14:05] <apachelogger> yofel: yeah, currently kubuntu-ppa/backports has 4.8.2 (release has 4.8.1)
[14:05] <shadeslayer> mitya57: any news on the breaks/replaces issue?
[14:05] <mitya57> no :(
[14:05] <apachelogger> yofel: I'd wait for 4.8.5 anyway, assuming that ever gets done ;)
[14:06] <shadeslayer> crap :/
[14:06] <mitya57> I'll have to leave soon, will try to resolve that tomorrow
[14:07] <shadeslayer> likewise
[14:16]  * mitya57 bbl
[14:48] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1269199] Qt library crashes @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1269199 (by Andrew)
[14:49] <ovidiu-florin> anyone going to conf.KDE.in ?
[16:49] <mitya57> shadeslayer: we kind of resolved the qt issue, the version in terminal log is ubuntu1, not ubuntu3, so it looks like a wrong version number inserted by apport
[16:50] <apachelogger> Riddell, shadeslayer, yofel: we have a new QA date on Mar 10 for exploratory testing (actually may move forward a couple of days still)
[16:51] <apachelogger> however, after feature freeze the entire l10n and ISO review madness starts, so..
[16:51] <apachelogger> sometime between Feb20 and Mar10 anyway ^^
[17:05] <Riddell> apachelogger: exploratory testing?
[17:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: you take the thing and play with it
[17:13] <apachelogger> wait that sounds wrong
[17:13] <apachelogger> :O
[17:13] <apachelogger> yet the most accurate description
[17:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://trello.com/c/RLNf1YdS
[17:14] <apachelogger> freestyle quality control that is
[17:20] <sgclark> any ninja available to please help me with my symbols problem I sent to list? I have been fighting with this package much to long..
[17:26] <Riddell> sgclark: sorry am behind on e-mail and other useful things, what's up?
[17:27] <sgclark> there are no .so files in lib, just an .a file
[17:27] <sgclark> so I can't gensymbols
[17:27] <Riddell> cor, what package is this?
[17:27] <sgclark> kdoctools
[17:27] <sgclark> been a bit of a nightmare package
[17:27] <Riddell> if there's no .so that's presumably deliberate and no .symbols is needed
[17:28] <sgclark> ok thanks, will be ready for you in a few mins then
[17:28] <sgclark> on to tier 3?
[17:30] <Riddell> go for it :)
[18:03] <sgclark> a tier 3 package that depends on a tier 3 package? does that sound right?
[18:04] <Riddell> I've not worked out what makes it a tier 3 package and what makes it a tier 4 package
[18:04] <Riddell> but yes I believe lots do depend on other tier 3
[18:04] <sgclark> oh ok
[18:04] <Riddell> so you might have to work out a good order to package them in
[18:04] <Riddell> agateau might be able to help with diagams
[18:04] <sgclark> I thought it was a dependency structure
[18:05] <Riddell> http://dot.kde.org/sites/dot.kde.org/files/kf5_big_0.png
[18:05] <Riddell> looks like kconfigwidgets is the place to start
[18:06] <sgclark> yep :) starting that now
[18:06] <sgclark> thanks for the link, that will help
[18:28] <shadeslayer> mitya57: awesome
[18:53] <soee_> shadeslayer: only perlkde left ?
[18:57] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1269526] package libqtdbus4 (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: intentando sobreescribir `/u... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1269526 (by Alan)
[19:12] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Can you into java Threads?
[19:33] <Quintasan> christ
[19:33] <Quintasan> yofel: ping
[19:33] <yofel> hm?
[19:33] <Quintasan> yofel: Can you into java threads?
[19:34] <Quintasan> Somehow my thread doesn't get exectuted immediately after start for some reason
[19:35] <Quintasan> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6757962/
[19:35] <Quintasan> This is probably crap but we are supposed to somehow illustrate what happens when you don't synchronize
[19:38] <yofel> Let's see if I remember how that works. I hardly ever had a situation where Threads didn't just introduce pain.
[19:39] <Quintasan> We are supposed to show that pain on Collections when not using synchronize and I just can't get it to not work
[19:39] <Quintasan> as in if thread B is started after thread A and they operate on the same value then it's obvious that changes made in thread B should be present
[19:40] <Quintasan> in this case changes from A take place and B is executed AFTER the last showStatus for some reason
[19:48] <soee_> yofel: can you take a look at this  reds: http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.12.1_trusty.html ?
[20:06] <yofel> Quintasan: hm, my observation: a) you have 3 Threads (main, t1, t2), so demo.show() will be run at a random execution point of t1 and t2. b) t1 and t2 are possibly so short that t1 is done executing far before t2 is even done starting
[20:07] <yofel> if I make t1 and t2 run their modifications 10000 times and delay the show with a few msec sleep then I get a different end result on pretty much every run
[20:07] <yofel> which is what you wanted?
[20:13] <yofel> Quintasan: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6758166/ is what I made out of it
[20:21] <Quintasan> yofel: You just made both of the Threads do it4564656 times and asked the Main thread to sleep?
[20:21] <Quintasan> christ
[20:22] <yofel> well, I made both threads do it for 10000 times each, and let the main thread sleep for 100msec
[20:22] <yofel> 10000 times is long enough so t1 is still running when t2 starts - most of the time
[20:23] <Quintasan> I see.
[20:24] <Quintasan> Well, guess I'll just keep that in mind when I have to do something like this
[20:24] <Quintasan> yofel: Thanks.
[20:24] <yofel> np
[21:02] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1239173] qt4-x11 - binaries linked against libQtCore don't start @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1239173 (by Matthias Klose)
[21:31] <genii> That one sounds serious
[21:46] <soee> any idea how to check why lightdm wont start ?
[22:05] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1269297] package libqtdbus4 4:4.8.5+git192-g085f851+dfsg-2ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: trying... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1269297 (by braykov)


[00:11] <kaushal> hi
[00:11] <kaushal> is TB 5.0 available in 11.04 ?
[00:22] <kaushal> checking in again for the query ?
[00:34] <kaushal> can someone please comment ?
[10:19]  * micahg hugs fabrice_sp for looking at dvbcut :)
[10:20] <micahg> fabrice_sp: I actually have the beginning part of the patch if you want it
[11:04] <arand> Has the last Sync from Debian already been? I have a package in unstable which was accepted on the 29th and does not seem to have synced yet, is there any lists/stats regarding these syncs?
[11:16] <Laney> persia: could you give your vote on lynxman (and your thoughts on voting if you have any)?
[11:17] <tamrat> arand: you should file a bug, automatic syncing is over
[11:17] <tamrat> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess
[11:18] <arand> tamrat: Right, but I was assuming there would be a final sync on the last date..
[11:19] <directhex> arand, that sync is a manual process. i haven't seen evidence of it havign been run today
[11:20] <arand> I'm aware, I asked before here on the 29th and it was hinted that it would be run on the 30th, I guess not then.
[11:22] <tamrat> just file it - you can even do so prior to the freeze
[11:22] <arand> I will :)
[11:22] <tamrat> The reason I'm here: is there a way to get the build-logs for packages in the universe archive
[11:23] <Laney> yep, http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/package/version
[11:25] <tamrat> Ok found it
[11:28] <tamrat> Not sure if this is thre right place to ask. I'm looking at bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdal/+bug/786790
[11:29] <tamrat> I think it can be solved by rebuilding the package - if I use pbuilder it is solved.
[11:30] <tamrat> The same package is ok on maverick, only problems with natty
[11:32] <jtaylor> autosync phase is over or?
[11:33] <directhex> cjwatson knows. i think it's his manual daily run ;)
[11:40] <arand> I noticed that the announce of the sync freeze wasn't sent to the -devel list though :)
[11:41] <Laney> maybe it hasn't happened yet
[11:41] <Laney> (or is in moderation for -d-a
[11:41] <Laney> )
[14:30] <cjwatson> ara: I've stopped autosyncing, if you have new packages you care about then please file a bug (I didn't clear the entire new-source list)
[14:30] <cjwatson> erer
[14:30] <cjwatson> that was meant for arand, sorry
[14:30] <ara> no worries
[14:30] <ara> :)
[17:15] <jtaylor> keytouch will be removed from debian and it does not build in oneiric (no-add-needed) should it be removed there too?
[17:15] <jtaylor> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=632110
[17:21] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: sounsd sensible. I'd say hijack the FTBFS bug and request removal
[17:21] <jtaylor> write a comment that it should be removed and subscribe archive?
[17:27] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: edit the title and description appropriately too. Also, it technically should be sponsored
[17:29] <tumbleweed> LGTM, I'll sponsor it
[18:27] <AnAnt> Hello, would someone sponsor LP #801884  ?
[19:14] <oier> hi
[19:14] <oier> I am trying to package my first python application
[19:14] <oier> and don't seem to get it right
[19:15] <oier> pbuilder fails with the following error
[19:15] <oier> http://paste.ubuntu.com/636473/
[19:15] <oier> and you can grab the code at https://launchpad.net/indicator-bug
[19:15] <oier> I would be very grateful for any help
[19:18] <jtaylor> oier: py_support is deprecated please use dh_python2
[19:19] <oier> could you please provide me an example or do I have to just change that line?
[19:21] <jtaylor> unfortunatly I'm not familiar with cdbs python packaging but probably it is enough to remove the support line in rules http://wiki.debian.org/Python/TransitionToDHPython2
[19:23] <jtaylor> and a DEB_PYTHON2_MODULE_PACKAGES=indicator-bug
[19:27] <oier> so do I have to replace DEB_PYTHON_SYSTEM in the rules file with DEB_PYTHON2_MODULE_PACKAGES=indicator-bug?
[19:27] <jtaylor> yes
[19:27] <jtaylor> and change the build dependencies
[19:28] <broder> oier, jtaylor: the dh_python2 stuff is good to do, but the actual reason the build failed was that you need to list the package's python dependencies as build-dependencies as well
[19:30] <oier> thanks, I'll try
[19:53] <oier> hi again
[19:54] <oier> now I am getting another error
[19:54] <oier> here ist the relevant part of pbuilders http://paste.ubuntu.com/636494/
[19:55] <oier> and here are the modified rules and control files in order to use dh_python2
[19:55] <oier> http://paste.ubuntu.com/636495/
[19:55] <oier> http://paste.ubuntu.com/636496/
[19:55] <oier> if anyone could have a look I would appreciate it a lot
[20:14] <jtaylor> youre probably still missing some build dependency
[20:16] <jtaylor> as it builds fine on my machine but not in pbuilder
[20:47] <c_korn> hm, maybe not the right channel here but maybe someone already knows the problem. trying to compile the new version of wxhexeditor there is this error: configure:3594: gcc -g -O2  `wx-config --libs` conftest.c  >&5
[20:47] <c_korn> gcc: `wx-config: No such file or directory
[20:47] <c_korn> but wx-config is installed actually
[20:48] <c_korn> $ which wx-config
[20:48] <c_korn> /usr/bin/wx-config
[20:52] <Ampelbein> c_korn: no solution, but the error indicates that the expression isn't executed but taken literally from gcc. (see the backtick in the error message)
[20:53] <c_korn> Ampelbein: hm, yeah, you are right
[20:56] <c_korn> Ampelbein: this is the makefile. I think the problem must be in there because I do not find wx-config anywhere else: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=B6frVuBb
[20:57] <jtaylor> c_korn: the error occures in the configure, so the makefile won't help
[20:57] <c_korn> but configure is called inside this makefile (it is handmade obviously)
[20:58] <jtaylor> ups its a rules
[20:59] <Ampelbein> c_korn: fwiw, I can compile http://sourceforge.net/projects/wxhexeditor/files/wxHexEditor/v0.11%20Beta/ just fine
[20:59] <Ampelbein> on up-to-date oneiric
[21:01] <c_korn> hm, well I am on natty. but my tarball has a different MD5 sum.
[21:04] <c_korn> hm, ok. was because I removed the debian directory inside the tarball
[21:04] <c_korn> I need to inform upstream that this is wrong
[21:07] <c_korn> Ampelbein: now this is funny. while debuild -us -uc -b | tee ../build_log fails make succeeds.
[21:08] <c_korn> have a look at the screenlog: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ZzaNX3pp
[21:10] <Ampelbein> this is indeed strange.
[21:10] <c_korn> how can I debug this further?
[21:18] <c_korn> just "make" in override_dh_auto_build does not help either
[21:18] <c_korn> it needs to be some variable I think
[21:28] <oier> hi again, I am still trying to package my first python app
[21:29] <oier> I tryed the suggested changes
[21:29] <oier> switching to dh_python2
[21:29] <oier> but pbuilder still fails
[21:29] <oier> I think it has to do something with the rules file
[21:30] <oier> but I have no experience so I can't tell where the problem lies
[21:30] <c_korn> meh, this does not work either: FFLAGS= MFLAGS= LDFLAGS= CFLAGS= CXXFLAGS= MAKEFLAGS= MAKELEVEL= /usr/bin/make
[21:30] <oier> pbuilder output is in http://paste.ubuntu.com/636494/
[21:30] <oier> and code in https://code.launchpad.net/~oier/indicator-bug/trunk
[21:31] <Ampelbein> c_korn: what does work however is "        cd udis86;LDFLAGS= ./configure"
[21:31] <oier> I would be very thankful for any help
[21:31] <Ampelbein> c_korn: (in the udis86/libudis86/.libs/libudis86.a: target)
[21:33] <c_korn> ah, in the makefile
[21:33] <c_korn> well, it also worked in debian/rules ;)
[21:35] <broder> c_korn: makefiles don't support backticks
[21:36] <broder> you want $(shell wx-config)
[21:36] <broder> or similar
[21:36] <c_korn> Ampelbein: yeah, with LDFLAGS= it works in the makefile
[21:36] <c_korn> broder: but why does simple make succeed then where debuild fails ?
[21:37] <broder> c_korn: i'm assuming it's some bad interaction with CFLAGS etc. being set in the environment
[21:37] <broder> i don't remember the exact details, but make's behavior expanding variables that are defined both in the makefile and the environment always confuses me
[21:38] <c_korn> but I tried "FFLAGS= MFLAGS= LDFLAGS= CFLAGS= CXXFLAGS= MAKEFLAGS= MAKELEVEL= /usr/bin/make" from inside debian/rules and it still fails
[21:38] <broder> right. you're still setting environment variables that correspond to variables in the makefile
[21:38] <broder> (if you want to set them, you need env -u or something)
[21:38] <broder> (err, unset)
[21:43] <c_korn> heh, indeed. this also works:
[21:43] <c_korn> override_dh_auto_build:
[21:43] <c_korn> 	env --unset=LDFLAGS $(MAKE)
[21:45] <c_korn> for now I stay with it that messing with env variables in makefiles is evil ;)
[21:46] <c_korn> thank you very much for your help, ampelbein and broder
[21:49] <Ampelbein> broder: are you sure about backticks not supported with make? http://paste.ubuntu.com/636564/ suggests otherwise.
[21:53] <jtaylor> oier: does the build work outside of pbuilder?
[21:54] <oier> I am not sure what you mean,  distutils works
[21:55] <jtaylor> its likely some problem dependency problem or the setup.py doing something it shouldn't do
[21:55] <jtaylor> missing dependency problem
[21:57] <oier> dependency inside setup.py? or in the debian directory?
[21:58] <jtaylor> build dependency
[22:02] <oier> but if there would me a missing dependency it would point it out in pbuilder as "no python module found", or?
[22:17] <jtaylor> it should, the error of that setup.py does not really help finding the cause