[03:46] <MTecknology> How does this sound for a changelog? * This version IS NOT correct! Version below is the actual version.
[03:46] <MTecknology> :P
[03:46] <zooko> :-)
[03:48] <MTecknology> I really want this specific version with a few modifications - but using the same version would mean I need to lock versions. I figure if it's for personal use only I should be oke with that. Actually, I think the maintainer of this version just didn't want to update teh changelog
[03:57] <zooko> Hey man I don't even have an opinion.
[03:57] <zooko> (rough allusion to Pulp Fiction)
[04:00] <MTecknology> I need to find this package - libpurple-facebookchat - any of you know where it might be hiding?
[04:01]  * micahg remembers seeing something like that
[04:01] <micahg> !info pidgin-facebookchat
[04:02] <micahg> MTecknology: ^^
[04:05] <MTecknology> micahg: does that provide what I need? I 'should' only need a library but that wants to pull in 95MB of packages (102 packages)
[04:06] <RAOF> MTecknology: No, I think that's the package you're after.
[04:06] <RAOF> It depends on libpurple, which in turn depends on all sorts of stuff for the default libpurple providers.
[04:07] <MTecknology> icky
[04:07] <MTecknology> ok, thanks
[04:08] <MTecknology> It even wants x11 junk
[04:08] <micahg> MTecknology: check the libpurple depends
[04:08] <micahg> maybe libpurple needs a nox package
[04:08] <MTecknology> nox?
[04:09] <micahg> no X
[04:09] <MTecknology> oh
[04:09] <MTecknology> that would be nice
[04:09] <MTecknology> I just need a plugin for bitlbee so I can do bitlbee -> facebook chat
[04:12] <micahg> MTecknology: description says pidgin or libpurple so I'd say yes
[04:20] <zooko> ScottK: did I mention that we made Tahoe-LAFS got from 230 KB/s to 2.05 MB/s download speed?
[04:24] <MTecknology> micahg: thanks; I realized I built the package wrong so I'm rebuilding and I'll see how it works
[04:26] <MTecknology> micahg: hurray, maybe it's just a dependency issue during build - I'd like that :P
[04:44] <ScottK> zooko: You didn't.  Cool.  Is the release ready?
[04:46] <zooko> Alllmyst.
[04:47] <zooko> Alllmost.
[04:47] <zooko> We are a bit fanatical about unit tests.
[04:48] <zooko> We just finished making a deterministic unit test of what happens when you start downloading a file in parallel from 3 servers, then later a 4 server joins, then one of the first 3 servers turns out to have an invalid block.
[04:48] <zooko> What happens is that you detect the invalidity of the block and switch over to the 4th server.
[04:48] <zooko> But the cool thing is that this behavior is now automatically tested on every checkin by the unit tests.
[04:48] <zooko> Anyway...
[04:48] <zooko> The next release of Tahoe-LAFS is going to be any day now.
[04:51] <MTecknology> Start in 34 minutes (2520) - long time to start building a package
[04:53] <ScottK> Not really.
[04:54] <MTecknology> ScottK: really? I'm used to only waiting a couple minnutes
[04:54] <ScottK> It's a function of the backlog.  It varies.
[04:54] <ScottK> Sometimes it's more than a day.
[04:54] <MTecknology> ouchy
[04:55] <MTecknology> it's not like they don't have a lot of machines dedicated to it though
[04:55] <micahg> backlog is low now: https://edge.launchpad.net/builders
[04:55] <MTecknology> ya
[04:56] <micahg> MTecknology: around 4:30 UTC, the mozilla/browser automated builds are pushed
[04:56] <micahg> *dailies
[06:35] <zooko> Dear people of #ubuntu-motu: when is our last chance to get a new release of Tahoe-LAFS included in Lucid?
[06:37] <xnox> zooko: It should be in Debian testing today......
[06:37] <zooko> Tahoe-LAFS isn't in Debian yet, but it is in Ubuntu.
[06:37] <xnox> zooko: what's the source package name?
[06:37] <zooko> And we Tahoe-LAFS hackers are getting very sleepy...
[06:38]  * xnox is looking at it
[06:39] <zooko> For what it is worth, we have been spending many hours over the last couple of weeks writing better and better unit tests because we are unit testing fanatics. :-)
[06:39] <jmarsden> zooko: Per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule  you would have until 18 Feb 2010 (Feature Freeze), I think.
[06:40] <xnox> jmarsden: Heya =)
[06:40] <jmarsden> Hi xnox
[06:40] <xnox> zooko: or you will have to apply for FeatureFreeze exception like you did for Karmic
[06:41] <xnox> zooko: but then you still have very littletime April 15th *if* you get FFE
[06:42] <zooko> Okay, so 18 Feb without needing any exceptions?
[06:42] <zooko> That would be fine.  We're really going to release this thing any day now.
[06:42] <jmarsden> zooko: I'm not in any way "official", but that's how I would read the Schedule, yes.
[06:43] <jmarsden> So relax and get some sleep :)
[06:43] <zooko> :-)
[06:43] <zooko> But this awesome optimization is sooo close.
[06:43] <zooko> In fact, I rather suspect the unit tests are at fault rather than the optimization code...
[06:43] <zooko> :-)
[06:44] <jmarsden> Dream about how to fix it ...
[06:44] <zooko> Actually I think we're going to decide to leave this optimization out of v1.6.
[06:44] <zooko> Then we'll have nothing left but doc and packaging before the release announcement.
[06:46] <zooko> Zero open tickets in our roadmap! http://allmydata.org/trac/tahoe/roadmap
[06:46] <zooko> Good night, folks!
[07:44] <wrapster> im trying to convert a svr4 pkg to .deb just to see if it works.. but I have only the sources... how do i use alien in that case to genearte a deb pkg out of it?
[07:56] <slytherin> wrapster: What do you mean by sources?
[08:19] <suji11> Hi
[08:20] <suji11> i create one package for Indic Onscreen Keyboard and upload it to revu.ubuntuwire.com , it is available now here http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/iok , how to i get that into ubuntu repository.
[08:22] <tsimpson> file a needs-packaging bug and wait for someone to review it
[08:24] <suji11> tsimpson: where to needs-packaging bug?
[08:24] <tsimpson> on launchpad
[08:24] <tsimpson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[08:24] <suji11> tsimpson: i did that too. then
[08:29] <segler> hi, I am searching for a second advocate for my rhythmbox plugin, please. http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/rhythmbox-radio-browser
[08:35] <suji11> geser: hi, i correct the error in my package http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/iok , Please review it again.
[09:41] <hakaishi> Hello everyone! Anyone up to advocate/review qt-shutdown-p? - I've fixed the manpage, as fabrice said the minus in line 16 should be escaped. http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/qt-shutdown-p
[09:43] <hakaishi> Yeahhh ^^ finally an advocation for qt-shutdown-p  -^_^-
[10:37] <hakaishi> Seems like I've forgotten to save the new manpage -_-'  There is a new upload now. http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/qt-shutdown-p
[11:23] <coolbhavi> hello while using submittodebian I get the following error: (451, 'Greylisted, see http://isg.ee.ethz.ch/tools/postgrey/help/bugs.debian.org.html'<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:23] <coolbhavi> Operation not permitted
[11:23] <coolbhavi> any help
[11:24] <coolbhavi> ?
[11:24] <coolbhavi> I cant forward any patches to debian
[11:25] <siretart`> coolbhavi: try again later or use another mail relay that doesn't greylist you
[11:27] <coolbhavi> siretart, Thanks Its been happening for over a month .. Any alternative server suggestions?
[11:27] <siretart`> coolbhavi: your ISP's smtp server should do fine
[11:28] <slytherin> What is the SMTP server used by submittodebian?
[11:28] <coolbhavi> reitz I think
[11:28] <siretart`> probably bugs.debian.org itself
[11:31] <coolbhavi> siretart, I ve rietz.debian.org as smtp server in reportbug.conf. Should I change it now?
[11:31] <Laney> it just calls reportbug
[11:31]  * Laney uses smtphost reportbug.debian.org
[11:32] <coolbhavi> thanks Laney
[11:34] <slytherin> coolbhavi: check if fiordland.ubuntu.com works for you. Your from address needs to be @ubuntu.com though.
[11:34] <randomaction> so, anyone can use this smtp server to file bugs?
[11:35] <randomaction> I mean reportbug.debian.org
[11:35] <coolbhavi> slytherin, okay
[11:42] <coolbhavi> thanks Laney its working
[11:46] <Laney> good stuff
[12:02] <hyperair> hmm is gwibber now part of gnome?
[12:05] <randomaction> hyperair: not according to http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointTwentynine/Desktop
[12:17] <hyperair> hmm
[12:17] <hyperair> randomaction: i just noticed gwibber following a gnome-style version number
[12:32] <slytherin> out of curiosity what protocol does twitter use?
[12:35] <jetienne> http
[12:44] <jetienne> q. is there a dh_* helper for apache2 website ?
[12:55] <jetienne> ok acting as if none exists
[13:40] <_stink_> directhex: folks in #ubuntu+1 asked me to point out the description for, say, "libglib2.0-cil - CLI binding for the GLib utility library 2.12"
[13:40] <_stink_> there are many where it seems that 'CLI' should really be 'CIL' in the descriptions
[13:40] <_stink_> i noticed it in lucid today.
[13:42] <directhex> _stink_, the terms are annoyingly close, but a CLI library is compiled to CIL bytecode. so it's technically correct
[13:42] <_stink_> bah! :)
[13:42] <_stink_> directhex: thanks for the info.
[13:42] <_stink_> it was one of those things i wasn't sure about but wanted to mention.
[13:42] <directhex> CLi is the general term for .NETty stuff without needing to adhere to the microsoft .net framework trademark agreement
[13:42] <directhex> CIL is the name of the bytecode format
[13:43] <_stink_> directhex: hopefully people won't bug you about this too much. :P
[13:44] <slytherin> directhex: perhaps you should add a line in description - "where CLI stands for <meaning>"
[13:45] <directhex> slytherin, it's not something that frequently comes up, and is a fair amount of work for ~40 library source packages
[13:46] <slytherin> that is why I said 'perhaps you should' and not 'you must'. :-)
[14:12] <wrapster> while building the 64bit version of libtspi i get this error..http://pastie.org/804147
[14:12] <wrapster> i also see that see that 64bit libpthread.so.1  is present.
[14:13] <wrapster> but i suspect that when i added the -m64 flag to compile.. i should also disable the 32bit configure.. but not sure how to do it.
[14:36] <twp> hi -- i have a question about debuild, version and maintainers. #ubuntu-devel told me to ask here :-)
[14:37] <twp> i'm building a debian package on ubuntu
[14:37] <twp> the .dsc file and source code contains no mention of the string "ubuntu"
[14:37] <twp> when i run debuild -us -uc it changes the version:
[14:37] <twp> dpkg-buildpackage: source version 1.2.20-1ubuntu1
[14:38] <geser> what version has the topmost entry in debian/changelog?
[14:38] <tsimpson> did you use debchange or dch to edit the changelog?
[14:38] <twp> later, lintian complains about having a ubuntu version but the maintainer not having a ubuntu email addres
[14:39] <twp> geser: top version is 1.2.20-1ubuntu1, maintainer is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:39] <BlackZ> twp, if you should send a request of upload of that package, you must sign it, run "debuild -S" if is so
[14:39] <twp> i use dch -l local "My local build" but this only seems to add to debian/changelog
[14:39] <BlackZ> but first, you must have a public key
[14:40] <twp> BlackZ: thanks, i've already got the public keys set up, i'm just trying to build a local binary deb at this stage
[14:40] <twp> currently they all have "ubuntu" in the version numbers!
[14:40] <tsimpson> debuild uses whatever is in the debian/changelog
[14:40] <tsimpson> though, I don't think -l should imply -i
[14:41] <tsimpson> (for dch)
[14:41] <twp> tsimpson: hmmm, it's definitely coming from somewhere
[14:41] <twp> i've installed ubuntu-dev-scripts package, could this be hooking in the version somewhere?
[14:41] <tsimpson> on Ubuntu, dch -i will append an ubuntu1 to a debian release
[14:42] <tsimpson> it seems that either you also ran dhc -i, or that -l implies -i
[14:42] <twp> tsimpson: ok, thanks. I'm definitely using dch -l *only*
[14:43] <BlackZ> twp, for more information about that, you can read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete specially https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete#Packaging%20from%20Scratch and if you have any question and/or difficulty please let us to know
[14:43] <BlackZ> there you can find a short overview :)
[14:43] <twp> what's weird is that after running dch, grep ubuntu debian/* gives no matches and yet the version number gets changed (by dpkg-buildpackage?)
[14:43] <twp> BlackZ: thanks for tips, i've already read quite a lot and googled
[14:44] <tsimpson> debuild should not edit any file under debian/
[14:44] <tsimpson> nor dpkg-buildpackage
[14:44] <twp> tsimpson: thanks, i'll do a quick pastie of my session to demonstrate the problem
[14:48] <twp> tsimpson: you're right, dch -l implies dch -i
[14:48] <twp> after running dch -l local "..." it updates the version in the changelog
[14:48] <tsimpson> it doesn't mention that anywhere in the manpage, I guess you found a bug
[14:49] <tsimpson> for now you'll just have to specify the version manually with -v
[14:49] <BlackZ> twp, nice to see that you have resolved. I remember to you: please remember to sign the package first to send the request of upload, thanks!
[14:49] <tsimpson> BlackZ: they are not uploading anything
[14:50] <twp> tsimpson, BlackZ: thanks for your help - you're right these packages are for local use at this stage
[14:50] <twp> tsimpson: pastie of session is here http://pastie.org/804190
[14:51] <twp> tsimpson: lines 41 to 48 demonstrate dch adding ubuntu1 to version
[14:54] <tsimpson> when you get a chance, you should report the bug on launchpad
[14:54] <twp> tsimpson: thanks, am doing that just now
[14:54] <twp> tsimspon: i also checked whether removing package ubuntu-dev-scripts changed the behaviour, it did not
[14:54] <tsimpson> twp: it's part of debchange
[14:55] <tsimpson> !find bin/debchange
[14:55] <tsimpson> in devscripts
[14:55] <tsimpson> Ubuntu ships a modified version of dch
[14:55] <twp> tsimpson: have found existing bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/devscripts/+bug/445432
[14:56] <tsimpson> well at least it's known
[14:57] <twp> thanks all, especially tsimpson for your help, i'll try to find a workaround
[14:57] <Nisu> caballeros me complace anunciarles mi entrada en este  precioso chat
[14:57] <tsimpson> twp: specifying the version manually "dch -v 1.2.20-1local1" should work
[14:59] <Nisu> si alguien dispensa de nuestra ayuda no dude en consultarnos
[15:00] <twp> tsimspon: indeed dch -v ... does work, perfect, thanks!
[15:05] <jetienne> q. directory listed in debian/dirs are automatically removed on dpkg -r ?
[15:07] <Laney> if empty
[15:08] <jetienne> Laney: if i want to force the removal.. even if not empty... ? should i do it by hand in a postrm ?
[15:11] <tsimpson> jetienne: why would you need to force it?
[15:12] <jetienne> tsimpson: because those directories receiveds half-backed files... scrumbs that are useless
[15:14] <tsimpson> jetienne: well if you really do want to remove a non-empty directory, the only way to do it is from the postrm script
[15:14] <jetienne> tsimpson: ok thanks
[15:15] <bddebian> Heya gang
[15:21] <sebner> huhu bddebian ;)
[15:21] <segler> hi, I am searching for a second advocate for my rhythmbox plugin, please. http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/rhythmbox-radio-browser
[15:24] <bddebian> Heya sebner
[16:07] <mok0> !english > nisu
[16:08] <mok0> ah he left
[16:16]  * zooko reads https://slo-tech.com/clanki/10008en/
[16:17] <Sp4rKy> wc
[16:19] <zooko> kirkland: very cool about the eCryptfs challenges!
[16:19] <zooko> I wish I had known about them at the time.
[16:20] <zooko> We do something similar for Tahoe-LAFS: http://hacktahoe.orghttp://hacktahoe.org/
[16:20] <zooko> http://hacktahoe.org/
[16:34] <jetienne> Tahoe-LAFS is the first cloud storage technology which offers security and privacy in the sense that the cloud storage service provider itself can't read or alter your data <- zooko either you guys are not honnest or you havent done any reasearch at all
[16:53] <mok0> !language > jetienne
[16:53] <jetienne> mok0: ?
[16:54] <jetienne> mok0: what are  you talking about
[16:54] <mok0> jetienne: "either you guys are not honest or you haven't done your research..."
[16:54] <jetienne> mok0: yep and so ?
[16:54] <mok0> jetienne: you're out of line
[16:54] <jetienne> mok0: what is not "family freindly" ?
[16:55] <mok0> jetienne: it's offensive
[16:55] <jetienne> mok0: i dont see it as offensive
[16:55] <mok0> jetienne: you're not the only one on this channel
[16:56] <jetienne> mok0: i mean for sure this is not "the first"... so find another possibility
[16:56] <jetienne> mok0: correct we are 199 users on it
[16:56] <mok0> jetienne: ... right, so there are 199 others who are reading your nonsense
[16:57] <jetienne> mok0: more seirously my sentence was family friendly. so please lets av oid this argument
[16:57] <mok0> jetienne: if you need to speak "family friendly" do a PM
[16:58] <jetienne> mok0: ??
[16:58] <mok0> jetienne: private message, you know, with /msg ?
[16:59] <jetienne> mok0: yep, what i dont get is you talking to me. the word "honnest" is perfectly polite in english
[16:59] <mok0> jetienne: what?
[16:59] <jetienne> mok0: yep "what?" is my reaction. i dont understand what you want
[16:59] <mok0> jetienne: "you are not honest" == "you are lying" ... do you call that "polite"?
[17:00] <jetienne> ah ok
[17:00] <jetienne> well in this case this is !=
[17:00] <jetienne> and in most people mouth it is
[17:00] <mok0> jetienne: how am I to know?
[17:00] <jetienne> mok0: i dunno
[17:00] <mok0> jetienne: you are obviously not a native speaker of english
[17:00] <Laney> parliamentary language
[17:00] <Laney> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_language
[17:01] <jetienne> mok0: so ?
[17:01] <mok0> jetienne: so don't lecture me about what "honest" means
[17:01] <jetienne> mok0: well you do seems improductive
[17:02] <jetienne> mok0: "you are not honest" is "family friendly". over
[17:02] <mok0> jetienne: you wont get any responses here with that attitude. Over and out
[17:03] <jetienne> mok0: i understand your point of view
[17:03] <mok0> jetienne: good, then I've accomplished something today ;-)
[17:04] <jetienne> mok0: glad you have a good day
[17:04] <mok0> Laney: interesting link...
[17:05] <mok0> Laney: obviously, it's not the same in US congress :-)
[17:07] <maco2> O_o  well i'd say there's more to honesty than a lack of lying. leading someone to believe a lie without actually speaking the lie is still dishonest. but umm i'm wondering what the heck this has to do with packaging?
[17:08] <mok0> maco2: It doesn't. That's my point
[17:08] <mok0> maco2: Asserting that someone hasn't done this or that "because they're dishonest" is out of line IMO
[17:08] <jetienne> maco2: nothing, quite offtopic i admit. just one personne giving a pointer, me pointing out this wasnt 'honest', and all the rest is mok0 saying "not honest" is not "family friendly"
[17:15] <mok0> jetienne, you know about coc right?
[17:15] <mok0> !coc
[17:16] <jetienne> mok0: stop that argument please
[17:16] <mok0> jetienne: no
[17:16] <maco2> can you two just drop it?
[17:16] <jetienne> mok0: well sorry for the sake of productivity i will ignore you. i tried several time
[17:17] <mok0> maco2: My impression is jetienne is a newbie. Just trying to be helpful to him.
[17:19] <mok0> maco2: this is a channel for people who wish to speak to MOTUs and there is no reason for abusive language.
[17:19] <Quintasan> And I personally think that this discussion is pointless and offtopic
[17:20] <Quintasan> Hi jcastro
[17:20] <jcastro> hi!
[17:36] <jetienne> q. a prerm script, is launched when the package is stopped running, but the files are still present on disk, correct ?
[17:36] <hyperair> jetienne: correct.
[17:36] <jetienne> hyperair: thanks
[17:37] <hyperair> jetienne: it goes like this: preinst, unpack, postinst, <installed>, prerm, delete stuff, postrm.
[17:38] <jetienne> and a dh_installinit (to auto install a /etc/init.d script) will stop the services before prerm ?
[17:38] <sebner> hyperair: nice email reply
[17:39] <hyperair> sebner: thanks.
[17:39] <hyperair> sebner: i just had to do it =p
[17:39] <sebner> heh
[17:39] <hyperair> i don't think it was overly rude, do you?
[17:40] <sebner> hyperair: nah, it was okay
[17:40] <hyperair> =)
[17:51] <chrisccoulson> lol @ hyperair
[17:51] <chrisccoulson> i just saw your reply too ;)
[17:51] <hyperair> ;-)
[17:53] <hyperair> maco2: clicking microsoft ads on linux sites eh.. that's fun =p
[17:55] <maco2> hyperair: yep! how fun is it to make microsoft pay to promote their competitor?
[17:55] <hyperair> =p
[17:56] <hyperair> maco2: while having them believe that they've got linux->windows converts =p
[17:59] <mok0> Gurg, my printer is *incredibly slow*. It takes half an hour just to print 5-10 pages from the browser
[18:04] <alex_mayorga> hello! Is miro 2.5.4 coming to Lucid?
[18:11] <micahg> alex_mayorga: there are some issues in debian preventing migrating to testing: http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/miro.html
[18:11]  * micahg doesn't know if that will necessarily impact inclusion in ubuntu
[18:12] <StevenK> No, it's because it fails on mips
[18:13] <geser> miro needs a merge anyway because of the Ubuntu delta (at least someone has to look over the Ubuntu changes before 2.5.4 enters lucid)
[18:14] <alex_mayorga> just asking, because they do have packages for all earlier releases http://www.getmiro.com/download/for-ubuntu/
[18:32] <rhpot1991> persia: ping if you are around
[18:38] <hyperair> question. why does paste.ubuntu.com need openid authentication to download pastes as text?
[19:05] <kamalmostafa> Hi fabrice_sp... Re bug 508791, you asked me to check whether just removing the debian/symbols files (instead of taking out the one offending line from them) would also fix the FTBFS.  Answer is yes -- removing the symbols files altogether does fix the build, and dependent packages still build also -- I have attached a branch implementing such if you want to push it.   But why would removing the symbols files be the preferable s
[20:00] <bcurtiswx_> hi all, how would i make debian source format 3 packages build on karmic?
[20:01] <micahg> bcurtiswx_: remove the debian/source/format file?
[20:02] <Laney> doesn't it work? I thought karmic's dpkg supported it
[20:02] <micahg> oh, locally or PPA?
[20:02] <bcurtiswx_> E: empathy source: unsupported-source-format 3.0 (quilt)
[20:02] <micahg> PPAs AFAIK don't support i
[20:02] <micahg> t
[20:03] <maco> i think he's on the "debuild -S" part
[20:03]  * micahg doesn't know about locallt
[20:03] <bcurtiswx_> im trying to rebuild lucid's empathy 2.29.6 for karmic
[20:03] <Laney> don't worry about lintian, just try it
[20:03] <randomaction> bcurtiswx_: it's a lintian error, ignore it
[20:03] <maco> i'm trying to walk him through backporting
[20:03]  * bcurtiswx_ is thankful of the hel[p
[20:03] <bcurtiswx_> or help
[20:03] <micahg> archive doesn't support it last time I checked
[20:03] <StevenK> Sure it does
[20:03] <micahg> for karmic?
[20:04] <StevenK> Hmmm, perhaps it doesn't have the dpkg backport
[20:04] <bcurtiswx_> it is going in my PPA
[20:04]  * maco still thinks bcurtiswx_ should talk to ScottK about -backports if this attempt works out
[20:05]  * maco gently pushes bcurtiswx_ in the developer direction ;)
[20:05] <bcurtiswx_> i'd love to help out there. the problem now is im clueless about a lot of things
[20:05] <geser> only PPA >= lucid support v3 source packages
[20:45] <bcurtiswx_> anyone know in a debuild why /usr/share/gnome-pkg-tools/1/rules/uploaders.mk: No such file or directory  ??
[20:45] <bcurtiswx_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/367063/ for reference
[20:50] <bcurtiswx_> well i am going to head home for now.  i will be back in hopes someone can come to the rescue with an answer :P
[20:50] <bcurtiswx_> bbs
[21:11] <nigel_nb> how are translations coded in? I mean how does LP know which parts of the UI need to translated..does anyone know?
[21:12] <Quintasan> anyone up for quick update review? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=7564
[21:26] <mok0_> Quintasan: why is this package on REVU?
[21:26] <mok0_> Quintasan: we usually do package upgrades on LP
[21:27] <Quintasan> mok0: aint it easier to review than quadrilion of files on LP?
[21:28] <mok0_> Quintasan: that's the way it's usually done
[21:28] <mok0_> Quintasan: using debdiffs
[21:28] <mok0_> Quintasan: which makes it easier to see what has been done
[21:28] <mok0_> Quintasan: So yes it's easier, and also faster for the uploader
[21:29] <mok0_> Quintasan: are you the original packager?
[21:30] <Quintasan> mok0_: nope, neversfelde is but I asked him if he wants me to do it
[21:31] <mok0_> Quintasan: ah, ok
[21:33] <mok0_> Quintasan: the changes are mainly i18n changes I see
[22:06] <dooooomi> who wants to be the first to review klick, a command-line metronome using the JACK sound server? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/klick
[22:39] <mok0_> dooooomi: I'll bite
[22:59] <mok0_> dooooomi: nice work.
[23:00] <directhex> yow, bzr-buildpackage *totally* doesn't love debsrc3
[23:03] <dooooomi> mok0_: thanks! i'll make the changes you suggested and upload a new version tomorrow
[23:07] <sebner> directhex: I think it's not ported at all yet
[23:07] <mok0_> dooooomi: ping me for advocacy
[23:12] <dooooomi> mok0_: will do :)
[23:25] <MTecknology> ok... so building a new package sucks and I still don't have it finished exactly right yet to try to get into debian; but... holy crap I learned a lot doing it. Working with existing packages is pretty trivial now
[23:25] <MTecknology> not all of it, but the basics
[23:26] <geser> at least something :)
[23:27] <MTecknology> having a vm for dev which doesn't bother me to install a whole lotta dev tools and crap on didn't exactly hurt either
[23:28] <MTecknology> I'm packaging up the lastest version of openbox right now - I don't know if it hit debian yet or not
[23:28] <geser> I've only a chroot for preparing packages where I have the common dev packages installed (like debhelper)
[23:29] <MTecknology> I suppose I could have done that too..
[23:29] <geser> there are several ways to reach the same goal
[23:31] <MTecknology> before my internet so rudely halted
[23:32] <MTecknology> geser: I like that chroot idea - have to install more stuff for that but I imagine that keeps things pretty clean
[23:33] <geser> you just need some space for the second installation (but you need that anyways for a VM)
[23:33] <MTecknology> ya
[23:34] <MTecknology> plus installing more packages :P
[23:35] <MTecknology> what's up with this?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/367163/
[23:36] <geser> looks like a successful build
[23:36] <mok0_> MTecknology: it means the app is linked against som libraries, but doesn't actually use any symbols from them
[23:37] <MTecknology> mok0_: would that have a negative impact on performance or just make the package slightly bloated?
[23:38] <directhex> MTecknology, unneccessary Depends:
[23:38] <directhex> (it's caused by C sucking)
[23:38] <mok0_> MTecknology: It doesn't make any difference AFAIK
[23:38] <mok0_> directhex: stop hitting on C or will start hitting on C#
[23:38] <mok0_> ;-)
[23:39] <MTecknology> I just got lossed in that
[23:39] <directhex> mok0_, at least c# automatically filters out linkage on unused libs!
[23:39] <mok0_> I actually think it is a bogus message.
[23:39] <MTecknology> OH! so in the code it's requiring libraries that it doesn't use?
[23:39] <mok0_> MTecknology: I don't think so
[23:40] <directhex> directhex@desire:/tmp$ gmcs -pkg:gtk-sharp-2.0 hello1.cs
[23:40] <directhex> directhex@desire:/tmp$ monodis --assemblyref hello1.exe | grep gtk
[23:40] <directhex> directhex@desire:/tmp$
[23:40] <MTecknology> I'll just ignore that for now.. perhaps the devs have a better idea than me :P
[23:40] <directhex> MTecknology, it means the linker, ld, is being asked to link against libraries that aren't in use. this usually happens when (for example) pkg-config supplies a list of a bunch of libraries, but only one or two of them are actually needed for a given app
[23:41] <MTecknology> oh
[23:41] <mok0_> MTecknology: I think (not 100% sure) that the app is linked against e.g libSM but doesn't directly call any functions from there. OTOH, the library is required by another dependency
[23:41] <directhex> MTecknology, there's a patch for ltmain.sh to clean it up, but it's a real pain in the ass to integrate into packaging workflow
[23:41] <directhex> and it means re-jigging the package to re-do all the libtool nonsense at build time
[23:41] <MTecknology> not for my skill set then :P
[23:41] <geser> I see this more often with libtool where it tries to link to all packages which are needed for static linking even when dynamic linking is used
[23:42] <directhex> basically libtool is a heap of crap designed for use on ancient versions of hp-ux or other such rubbish
[23:42] <mok0_> !language
[23:43] <MTecknology> mok0_: that's a language violation?
[23:43]  * mok0_ is a libtool fanboy
[23:43] <MTecknology> oh
[23:43] <mok0_> MTecknology: :-)
[23:43] <MTecknology> It's building in the PPA now
[23:43] <directhex> ...and hasn't yet been caught by mental health services :p
[23:43] <MTecknology> then I'll try to install it
[23:44] <mok0_> directhex: don't push your luck
[23:49] <MTecknology> Almost done with having this package ready
[23:49] <MTecknology> just waiting on LP to publish it
[23:49] <MTecknology> maco: I'm doing my 4th real package now; and one I'm trying to get into Debian :D
[23:50] <MTecknology> aren't you proud of me?
[23:50] <maco> yay!
[23:50] <MTecknology> I'm excited
[23:51] <MTecknology> LP has been at the publishing stage for a few minutes now
[23:52] <directhex> http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-cli-apps/packages/migrated-to-git/tomboy/trunk/debian/patches/99_ltmain_as-needed.patch is the tweak we apply to our ltmains to remove needless dependencies
[23:59] <MTecknology> it's been publishing for ~15min now..
[23:59] <MTecknology> directhex: thanks, I'll try that


[17:38] <BinarySavior> hello, using Studio Controls, JACK is failing to start
[17:38] <BinarySavior> where can I view the logs?
[17:51] <Eickmeyer> BinarySavior: ~/.log (autojack logs)
[17:51] <Eickmeyer> BinarySavior: That said, you may have to delete your ~/.config/autojack directory and start over, your might have corrupt configs.
[17:58] <BinarySavior> I deleted the config and jack still won't start
[17:59] <BinarySavior> https://bpa.st/IXVA
[18:30] <BinarySavior> if I run jackd -R -d alsa -d hw:1 then jack server starts, but then ardour can't see my midi controller
[18:30] <BinarySavior> but if I open ardour without jack running, then it detects my midi controller, but I don't hear any playback
[18:36] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: ^ ?
[18:37] <Eickmeyer> BinarySavior: That's because ardour will start jack on its own.
[18:38] <Eickmeyer> Make sure ardour is set to look at the correct sound server (alsa, jack, pulseaudio)
[18:41] <Eickmeyer> BinarySavior: Sometimes you have to reboot after deleting the configs. You might have a process stuck.
[18:42] <BinarySavior> Eickmeyer, Ardour was pushing master to wrong hardware output
[18:42] <BinarySavior> now ardour is working with its built-in jack server, I would still like to be able to run jack with the gui for applications where I want to control the audio channels but the software doesn't have a built in jack server
[18:49] <Eickmeyer> I totally understand. I was just wanting you to make sure you have ardour running *after* you start Jack with studio controls. If ardour is running before, you'll have trouble.
[18:49] <Eickmeyer> But if you delete the configs in ~/.config/autojack, you have to relog or reboot, no way around it.
[18:56] <BinarySavior> Eickmeyer, cool thanks
[18:57] <BinarySavior> I will revisit this in the future, right now ardour's default jack server is working for me after I pointed it to my usb audio device instead of the hdmi audio device it was using
[19:09] <Eickmeyer> BinarySavior: That's good to hear. Honestly, the work on PipeWire is coming along swimmingly, and I think by the time 24.04 rolls around this upcoming April it'll be nice and solid.


[10:43] <Etothetaui>  I'm running lubuntu with i3wm. I installed a program called franz into /opt/franz but it doesn't show up in dmenu when I hit mod+d and start typing. I tried to add to PATH, but can't seem to get it working. I modified .profile, and I don't have .bash_profile nor .bash_login in my ~. An ideas?
[11:40] <cardboard64> hi
[11:41] <cardboard64> are the daily 17.04 images already on lxqt?
[21:40] <Motsku> I have an problem with installing lubuntu. Grub doesn't get installed.
[21:41] <Motsku> I don't really have any experience with coding, so I'm pretty mutch dependin on the graphical UI with my own
[22:15] <tsimonq2> Motsku: What did you use to install it?
[22:15] <Motsku> an usb-drive
[22:16] <Motsku> at the moment I'm trying lubuntu 16.04
[22:16] <Motsku> but the lubuntu package was as an ISO image on the drive
[22:16] <Motsku> whitch was made with Rufus
[22:39] <Motsku> Unfortunately lubuntu 16.04 installed with usb-drive as an ISO-image didn't work either
[22:40] <Motsku> I got it installed, but the system didn't boot up after installing
[22:57] <Motsku> lubuntu gives at bootup an message " /dev/sda1: clean, 121495/15204352 files, 1597152/60789760 blocks " and doesn't continue from this
[22:58] <Motsku> this is with an installed lubuntu 16.04
[22:59] <Motsku> do you have any recommendations?


[01:58] <subman> I don't seem to be able to play Youtube videos with my new installation of Lubuntu, is this normal.
[02:12] <kanliot> subman no
[02:13] <kanliot> you should have either html5 or flash working
[02:13] <kanliot> !extras
[02:13] <kanliot> !flash
[02:14] <subman> Wow, complex
[02:15] <kanliot>   you just install one package
[02:15] <kanliot> subman
[02:15] <kanliot> i can help you if you like
[02:16] <subman> The link (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash) seems a lot more complex then a simple installation
[02:16] <kanliot> lemme read it
[02:17] <kanliot> well try going though it
[02:18] <kanliot> have you used synaptic before?
[02:18] <subman> Yes
[02:18] <subman> But, Lubuntu does not support playback of youtube by default?
[02:19] <kanliot> i think you have to install it
[02:19] <kanliot> but it's only that one package
[02:20] <kanliot> flashplugin-installer
[02:20] <subman> Ah, then updates will be an .  Not something  I'm looking for in a distro.
[02:20] <subman> No problem\
[02:20] <kanliot> really youtube should work with html5
[02:20] <kanliot> did you install 12.04?
[02:21] <Unit193> youtube.com/html5  and opt-in.
[02:21] <subman> And I c heck how?
[02:22] <DigitalWarrior> I am trying to update the kernel of the Lubuntu 12.04 livecd and things are not nearly as simple for me as I think the documentation says it is.  It probably means I have missed something.
[02:22] <DigitalWarrior> Does Lubuntu publish the build scripts to create the ISO somewhere I can get at them?
[02:23] <kanliot> subman go to system profiler and info, then click operating system
[02:23] <kanliot> DigitalWarrior, I'm not sure what you are asking
[02:23] <wxl> kanliot: he's trying to build his own livecd
[02:24] <kanliot> ok
[02:24] <subman> kanliot: I don't see 'system profiler'
[02:25] <kanliot> should be under system tools
[02:25] <DigitalWarrior> exactly
[02:25] <wxl> subman: try running lsb_release -a kanliot
[02:25] <wxl> oops
[02:25] <wxl> sorry didn't mean to include you in there kanliot ;)
[02:25] <kanliot> yeah i am at release 1.0
[02:25] <kanliot> that wasn't funny i know
[02:25] <kanliot> i was being awful
[02:25] <DigitalWarrior> I am installing lubuntu ISO files on /dev/sda1 and using grub2 to boot them.
[02:26] <DigitalWarrior> I have no problems with released versions (been doing it since 11.04)
[02:27] <DigitalWarrior> however, I need to get new wireless card drivers into the thing.  The drivers are included in Compat-Wireless 3.3
[02:27] <DigitalWarrior> I cannot install the modules in the chrooted enviornment
[02:27] <wxl> i'll be honest with you, DigitalWarrior-- tho i understand what you're trying to do i haven't done it.
[02:28] <wxl> i remember at one time i was trying to figure out something similar for some reason and i was reading for freaking ever :)
[02:28] <wxl> i wonder if your issue pertains only to lubuntu or if it's not a general canonical issue
[02:28] <subman> kanliot: Unbuntu 10.04
[02:29] <DigitalWarrior> It is definitely all *ubuntu livecd
[02:30] <wxl> DigitalWarrior: then i'd escalate this to #ubuntu honestly
[02:30] <kanliot> subman, don't take this the wrong way, but why did you choose 10.04?\
[02:31] <subman> It is an old download from a stable release
[02:31] <kanliot> we only recommend 10.04 if you really really need it
[02:32] <subman> lts right?
[02:32] <wxl> concur
[02:32] <wxl> "lts"
[02:32] <Unit193> Well....
[02:32] <wxl> it's not an "OFFICIAL" lts
[02:32] <wxl> there aren't, in fact, any "OFFICIAL" lts lubuntu
[02:32] <kanliot> lol i thought you said It's
[02:32] <wxl> hah
[02:32] <wxl> but 12.04 is as much lts as 110.04 i
[02:32] <wxl> uh
[02:32]  * wxl can't type
[02:32] <wxl> 12.04 is as much LTS as 10.04
[02:33] <wxl> but neither are truly LTS
[02:33] <wxl> put another way, there's no benefit you gain in using 10.04 versus 12.04 UNLESS your hardware requires it
[02:33] <subman> Ok, not a problem.  This is obviously too beta for me.
[02:33] <Unit193> Core is LTS, kernel and all, just not exactly LXDE.
[02:33] <wxl> ^ right!
[02:34] <Unit193> They were planning on it, but coudln't easily follow up sadly.
[02:35] <subman> Ah well, try xubuntu instead.  Keep up the work!
[02:42] <subman> Well I see multiple arguments here.  I think I'll abort and try a distro that has what I need. Thanks though, looks good so far!
[05:14] <TaraJo> i went to run updates, to make sure i didn't have anymore to install, and got
[05:14] <TaraJo> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/team-xbmc/unstable/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found
[05:14] <TaraJo> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[05:21] <Unit193> Seems you've added an additional PPA that's no longer working, isn't updates, not for your arch, etc.  Best bet is to remove it.
[05:21] <Unit193> !ppapurge
[05:21] <Unit193> !ppa-purge
[06:22] <TaraJo> ok i installed the ppa-purge package, but now i don't know which repository needs to be removed
[06:22] <TaraJo> W:Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/team-xbmc/unstable/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found
[06:22] <TaraJo> , W:Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/team-xbmc/unstable/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found
[06:22] <TaraJo> , E:Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[06:25] <Unit193> sudo ppa-purge ppa:team-xbmc/unstable
[06:27] <TaraJo> didn't work
[06:27] <TaraJo> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/team-xbmc/unstable/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found
[06:27] <TaraJo> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/team-xbmc/unstable/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found
[06:27] <TaraJo> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[06:27] <TaraJo> Warning:  apt-get update failed for some reason
[06:27] <TaraJo> PPA to be removed: team-xbmc unstable
[06:27] <TaraJo> Warning:  Could not find package list for PPA: team-xbmc unstable
[06:30] <TaraJo> it's as if the site it's trying to access, is no longer available
[06:31] <Unit193> Ah, forgot it tried to read it.  Time to remove manually.
[06:31] <Unit193> Should be a file under /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[06:33] <TaraJo> called, what?
[06:34] <Unit193> What's there?
[06:34] <TaraJo> dropbox.list              google-talkplugin.list.distUpgrade
[06:34] <TaraJo> dropbox.list.distUpgrade  google-talkplugin.list.save
[06:34] <TaraJo> dropbox.list.save         team-xbmc-unstable-precise.list
[06:34] <TaraJo> google-chrome.list        team-xbmc-unstable-precise.list.save
[06:34] <TaraJo> google-talkplugin.list
[06:35] <Unit193> Simple, team-xbmc-unstable-precise.list is what you're looking for. sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list.d/team-xbmc-unstable-precise.list      and put a # in front of all the lines.
[06:42] <TaraJo> that worked.. thank you.. :)
[06:51] <Unit193> You may have some random installed applications though.
[07:09] <TaraJo> ok.. i'll deal with that later.. thanks
[07:58] <lubu> sdf
[10:16] <cyclist_2> Hello, there! does anyone here know how to change the font type and size in Pidgin for the conversation windows? the GUI only allows us to change the format of text sent to other clients
[13:10] <laporte> Hi all. I have trouble viewing flash video with firefox.  I'm using firefox 13.0.1 and flash plugin version 11.2.202 is install and detected by firefox ...
[13:11] <laporte> I have absolutly no idea of where the problem comes from. By the way it used to work before the lubuntu 12.04 upgrade.
[13:12] <laporte> There are no information in the console if I start firefox from there and I haven't found anything on the internet that worked.
[16:00] <souliaq>  Someone uses Lubuntu 12.04 ?
[16:00] <kanliot> everyone
[16:01] <kanliot> what's your question souliaq?
[16:02] <souliaq> I have a constant message of "Error report"
[16:02] <souliaq> I never had that problem in Lubuntu 11.10
[16:02] <kanliot> when you log in?
[16:02] <souliaq> Yes, exactly
[16:02] <souliaq> when I log in.
[16:02] <kanliot> if you report the bug where does it take you?
[16:03] <souliaq> Other programs show me too "error report", anyway to report automagicly?
[16:03] <souliaq> tracker-explorer show me that message
[16:03] <souliaq> nfs3 or something like that too
[16:04] <kanliot> it's important to handle each bug individually
[16:04] <kanliot> lubuntu is pretty stable right now
[16:04] <souliaq> mmm, the problem is that, always I login, 3 "error reports" appear.
[16:04] <souliaq> Yea is good, except for that "new" message.
[16:04] <kanliot> go on
[16:06] <kanliot> hmm i didn't think i had an attitude?
[16:06] <kanliot> if i did sorry
[16:35] <silverarrow> I wonder if deverlopers get to test what works in the powerpc build
[16:36] <silverarrow> everything is there for it to work, gnash plays, lightspark, gnome mpayer, just not in browser
[16:36] <silverarrow> it is a small thing that needs attention, I`m sure
[18:08] <gotwig> hey, lubuntu devs here?
[18:09] <gotwig> want to know how to build lp:light-software-center . I get error: src/Widgets/GridView.vala:41.9-41.35: warning: method `Lsc.Widgets.GridView.pack_separator' never used         private void pack_separator () {         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ error: unable to open `/home/julia/eduard/light-software-center/src/Frontend.vala.c' for writing
[18:10] <smile> bye :)
[18:10] <gotwig> bye
[18:32] <gotwig> https://answers.launchpad.net/light-software-center/+question/203171