[12:12] <lifeless> lamont: #arch will get you more knowledge faster :)
[12:25] <lamont> lifeless: about baz too?
[02:05] <lifeless> yes


[11:48] <acheronuk> do you see LP: #1788597 in your bionic and cosmic daily isos?
[21:23] <brainwash> now that is a surprise.. gnome-software does not actually terminate on exit, it keeps running in the background
[21:23] <brainwash> that's >100MB
[21:47] <ochosi> noice
[22:00] <brainwash> closing the window just hides it. that's pretty lame.
[22:01] <brainwash> some small background service for update notifications should have been coded instead


[21:26] <panparadox[m]> hello, is there a way to format a pendrive in ubuntu studio? I can't seem to find that option
[21:27] <Eickmeyer[m]> panparadox: https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/create-a-usb-stick-on-ubuntu#1-overview
[21:28] <Eickmeyer[m]> You can find Startup Disk Creator in Discover on 20.10+, or Software on 20.04.
[21:29] <OvenWerks> panparadox[m]: The partition manger seems to format sticks just fine
[21:29] <Eickmeyer[m]> I misunderstood the question. facepalm
[21:29]  * Eickmeyer[m] facepalms
[21:30] <Eickmeyer[m]> partition manager or gparted do the trick to just format.
[21:30]  * OvenWerks notes that there are lots of command line tools as well :)
[21:32] <OvenWerks> there is the whole group of /sbin/mk*fs* tools
[21:34] <OvenWerks> as well as *fdisk
[21:41] <panparadox[m]> I downloaded a partition manager from Snap Shop and I can't really find an option to format the pendrive
[21:42] <panparadox[m]> and I'm quite new to linux, I don't know how to download stuff through Terminal
[21:46] <OvenWerks> panparadox[m]: a pen drive looks like any other harddrive to linux
[21:46] <OvenWerks> so if you plug a pen drive in and type dmesg in a terminal you should see what the system thinks it is.
[21:47] <OvenWerks> so:<PHONE_NUMBER>07] usb 1-1.3: New USB device strings
[21:48] <OvenWerks> followed by lots of other lines... at the bottom: sd 8:0:0:0: [sdd] Attached SCSI removable disk
[21:48] <OvenWerks> this means my pin drive is /dev/sdd
[21:48] <OvenWerks> the line just above that on my case shows: sdd: sdd1 sdd2 sdd3 sdd4
[21:51] <OvenWerks> which says there is 4 partitions on this one. you would want to remove all those. Mine has them because I have used dd to copy ISO images of various sizes to the stick and linux sees the left overs as another partition. I go through and remove them all once in a while


[13:57] <rtg> apw, anything in the pipeline before I upload Utopic today ?
[13:58] <apw> rtg, nope, pound it in at your convienience
[14:33] <zequence> infinity: Sorry, will do right now.
[14:33]  * zequence been busy teaching Linux to the umeployed for a whole week.
[17:30] <zequence> infinity: Ok. Testing done.


[20:24] <RoadRunner> TJ-: the comp I am on now (not the one under repair), has 20 kernel images with initrd.imgs 13-39MB each. Is 20 the default number and is it better to decrease that number to conserve space?
[20:25] <TJ-> RoadRunner: usually "sudo apt autoremove" is supposed to be used occassionaly and leave just the 3 most recent kernels
[20:25] <TJ-> RoadRunner: with /boot/ in the root FS this isn't usually an issue since it generally has GBs of free space
[20:25] <nicomachus> !pm | jay_Ei
[20:25] <TJ-> RoadRunner: but got a ~500MB FS that quickly uses it all up
[20:26] <TJ-> s/but got/but on/
[20:26] <IntelCore> TY for help. GL TJ/Bashing/PPL/Peeps.
[20:27] <RoadRunner> TJ-: then why is boot partition set up to be so small by default?
[20:28] <TJ-> RoadRunner: because we only expect 3 or 4 versions to be kept. There is an option for apt to autoremove kernels but it's disabled by default, I think.
[20:28] <TJ-> RoadRunner: this has been an issue for about 10 years now but there's so much indecision around it that nothing has been changed
[20:30] <TJ-> RoadRunner: the counter-argument basically goes "but if we delete kernels without User's explicit consent it might break they system" - my response is "let's keep a boot-timestamp-counter per-version so we know which might be in use and get confirmation before removing those apparently required
[20:31] <nacc> TJ-: apt doesn't autoremove by default in general, but it will prompt and if you run the command, it will clear out old kernels
[20:31] <RoadRunner> TJ-: I could have opted to just install the newly released lts but decided to try to figure this issue out so that if it happens again, I'd know what to do.  Is this default left the same in 18.04?
[20:32] <harris> TJ-, i fixed it
[20:33] <purvesh> can someone help me with rtcwake command I want whenever my laptop start then It should goto sleep every 28 minute & wakeup every 28min 1 second (I have cpu/bios bug which autoshutdown my laptop every 30 minutes but if i set my laptop goto sleep every 28min & wake up in a second then it will not shutdown) so i think rtcwake auto sleep & wake command will help me
[20:34] <TJ-> nacc: I was on about "Unattended-Upgrade::Remove-Unused-Kernel-Packages" in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades not being enabled by default
[20:38] <MonkeyDust> purvesh  try this   sudo rtcwake -m disk -t $(date +%s -d +28*60)
[20:38] <TJ-> RoadRunner: the situation for size of boot, and not autremoving kernels, is the same in 18.04
[20:41] <RoadRunner> TJ-: just typed in sudo apt autoremove on this comp, out of 20 kernels it offered to remove only 2 not even mentioning the 18 that are older still...
[20:41] <aliendude5300> Hello, I just installed Ubuntu 18.04 on a new system (wiped) and it will not boot. It asks for the encryption key but when I enter it the system does not get pack the boot screen
[20:42] <aliendude5300> I am 100% sure I entered the key correctly, and did a reinstall to verify
[20:42] <aliendude5300> There are errors in the log while trying to unlock.
[20:42] <RoadRunner> TJ-: *typo: 16 that are older still
[20:42] <aliendude5300> https://imgur.com/a/1nZQuJu
[20:43] <RadicalEntity> Anyone have an idea on what's going on with this on 18.04? The hard drives eventually come online, but it slows my boot time. https://pastebin.com/GhgfLjAe
[20:45] <aliendude5300> One of the messages says warning failed to connect to lvmetad
[20:45] <aliendude5300> Then there is a crypt: unknown target type message and a reload ioctl on failed: invalid argument message
[20:46] <TJ-> RoadRunner: does "apt list --installed linux-image-*" list lots of older kernels, or are the files left overs not tracked by package management maybe? That can happen after release-upgrades
[20:47] <aliendude5300> I installed the system with the minimal desktop option + crypto + lvm
[20:49] <TJ-> aliendude5300: does the pass phrase contain some non English characters? is the installed locale not en_US? it could be the keyboard mapping isn't set correctly in the initrd when you're asked for the passphrase
[20:49] <aliendude5300> My passphrase only contains english characters
[20:50] <aliendude5300> It contains mixed case, the - symbol, [,], and #.
[20:50] <aliendude5300> also a period.
[20:50] <TJ-> aliendude5300: so it appears to accept the passphrase then fails on the key-mapping ?
[20:50] <aliendude5300> I guess so. I am not a huge expert in how it works behind the scenes
[20:50] <TJ-> aliendude5300: which suggests the initrd.img doesn't contain the required kernel modules, or is not modprobe-ing them, before trying to unlock
[20:51] <aliendude5300> I can reproduce it reliably - I installed 3 times
[20:51] <aliendude5300> If it makes any difference I'm using an NVMe SSD as my storage
[20:51] <nacc> TJ-: ah that's unattended-upgrades specific, which is why i was confused :)
[20:51] <TJ-> aliendude5300: does it eventually  drop to the initramfs shell prompt?
[20:51] <aliendude5300> I'm guessing I discovered a bug in 18.04
[20:52] <aliendude5300> It eventually says cryptosetup will go to sleep for 60 seconds and hangs
[20:52] <nacc> RoadRunner: also note that autoremove won't remove kernels that were *manually* installed or held
[20:52] <nacc> RoadRunner: autoremove is not smarter than you :)
[20:52] <TJ-> aliendude5300: hmmm, that's not very user friendly. I use encrypted installs extensively and am very familiar with it, but this is a new one for me
[20:53] <Summi> Hello everyone. Hope you're all doing good. I'm trying to install node as from the following website but the command throws an error for some reason.
[20:53] <Summi> I'm on a VM with Xubuntu 18.04 installed
[20:53] <RoadRunner> TJ-: nacc: this is what I got after running autoremove: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4P6M8Nyr33/ seems more should be removed, no?
[20:53] <Mikjaer> Will Ubuntu's official login manager switch from lightdm to gdm during this release?
[20:53] <Summi> Does anyone happen to know if 18.04 supports installing node.js yet
[20:53] <Summi> ?
[20:53] <Summi> Thank you
[20:53] <aliendude5300> My passphrase is something complex similar to "--[-Word#Word.A#More#Words*123*Word-]--", with all of those symbols included.
[20:54] <aliendude5300> Considering I've typed it like 100+ times total, and the last like 15 attempts failed on 18.04 I am 100% sure it's not a typing mistake
[20:54] <TJ-> RoadRunner: seems like all those 3.19 versions are locally (means manually) installed
[20:55] <yokowka> good all to you! do you read me?)
[20:55] <TJ-> aliendude5300: have you tried with a very simple passphrase?
[20:55] <aliendude5300> No
[20:55] <aliendude5300> I can try that
[20:55] <kostkon> yokowka, roger
[20:55] <TJ-> aliendude5300: would be a good idea. that way we can figure out where the issue truly lies
[20:56] <TJ-> aliendude5300: have you tried manually unlocking it from a liveISO installer  started in Try Ubuntu mode?
[20:56] <RoadRunner> TJ-: don't know enough to doing anything but autoupdate:) ok, so the only way to remove them is manually, one at a time?
[20:56] <aliendude5300> I'm doing a reinstall now. I'm going to use abcdefg12 as my passphrase to test
[20:57] <aliendude5300> If that's not simple, I don't know what is ;)
 what do yoy mean?
[20:57] <yokowka> *you
[20:58] <yokowka> говоритъ кто по- руски?
[20:58] <TJ-> RoadRunner: what does "apt-get --dry-run autoremove" report ?
[20:58] <aliendude5300> Okay, it's failing with a very simple passphrase.
[20:59] <aliendude5300> This is frustrating. Let me boot into the live installer and try to unlock it
[20:59] <nicomachus> !ru | yokowka
[20:59] <nicomachus> yokowka: "roger" is an English word used sometimes to acknowledge that a signal/message was received.
[21:00] <TJ-> aliendude5300: which exactly ISO installer image are you using (so I can try to replicate) ?
[21:01] <aliendude5300> TJ: let me check
[21:01] <yokowka> thank you nicomachus
[21:01] <nicomachus> you're welcome yokowka
[21:02] <RoadRunner> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ythWB7GNNd/
[21:02] <aliendude5300> md5sum ubuntu-18.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[21:02] <aliendude5300> 129292a182136a35e1f89c586dbac2e2  ubuntu-18.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[21:03] <TJ-> aliendude5300: thanks, I'll download it and test. Did you do the standard guided install method?
[21:03] <TJ-> RoadRunner: so no candidates for autoremoval yet lots of linux-image-* packages installed. Seems like the system has got itself confused
[21:04] <yokowka> who knows how paste gnome theme to the folder usr/share/themes wrights system: there is no rules to create folder in the plase of destination?
[21:04] <aliendude5300> Yes. I launched Ubiquity. Settings: Minimal desktop, yes to install additional packages, no to turn off secure boot (it is already off), erase disk and install, check the crypto and LVM, enter literally anything as passphrase, then do the install.
[21:04] <aliendude5300> If it helps, I'm on a Dell Precision laptop with a Samsung PM981 NVMe drive
[21:05] <aliendude5300> I use the default partition scheme for LVM
[21:05] <TJ-> RoadRunner: show us "pastebinit <( ls -latr /boot/ ; df --output )"
[21:06] <aliendude5300> Okay, I am in the live image now. I CAN unlock the drive using the passphrase I created.
[21:06] <aliendude5300> (via GNOME Disks)
[21:06] <aliendude5300> All the files seem to be there
[21:07] <aliendude5300> It looks like the root filesystem is in fact encrypted, and the default LVM did not give me a /home
[21:07] <RoadRunner> TJ-: so the same thing that happened on my other comp can easily happen here as well?... OK, so is there an easy way to remove all old (3.19) images and which 4.4 images are safe to remove?
[21:07] <aliendude5300> (by a /home I mean a separate partition)
[21:07] <TJ-> aliendude5300: the way it is supposed to work with an encrypted root file-system is the 'cryptsetup' tools are installed into the initrd.img along with a script that should 'modprobe' a list of required kernel modules (for the cipher/hash schemes used). The messages you are seeing suggest those modules are not being inserted
[21:07] <aliendude5300> Well this sucks. Can I chroot into it and fix it? I'd really like to use this
[21:08] <TJ-> RoadRunner: you could do " sudo apt remove linux-image{,-extra}-3.19* "
[21:08] <TJ-> aliendude5300: no, at this point you've no access to the root file-system - that's the issue!
[21:09] <aliendude5300> I'm in a live environment with it mounted
[21:09] <TJ-> aliendude5300: which was why I asked if it dropped to the initramfs shell since then we'd have a simple command-line to try to fix it from
[21:09] <aliendude5300> It's able to decrypt it just fine from the live USB
[21:09] <TJ-> aliendude5300: something is wrong if a start job just hangs and the system doesn't drop to a shell for user fixing
[21:09] <skjensen> Hi guys, is there a way to get a systemd service to read a config or global variable? I like my service to run on a different port on each host and will prefer a config file instead of editing the service on all the hosts..
[21:10] <aliendude5300> I can get you any debugging info you need. I'd like to see this fixed
[21:10] <TJ-> aliendude5300: huh? I thought you'd said it couldn't decrypt manually from a Try ubuntu session?
[21:10] <aliendude5300> No, I can get it to decrypt just fine in try ubuntu
[21:10] <aliendude5300> :-)
[21:10] <aliendude5300> Booting the thing on its own is broken though
[21:10] <TJ-> aliendude5300: OK, so that proves your passphrase is good
[21:10] <aliendude5300> Yes
[21:11] <TJ-> aliendude5300: so it does come down to the initrd.img and either (1) keyboard mapping or (2) default system locale
[21:11] <aliendude5300> Well, I use a standard US English keyboard
[21:11] <TJ-> aliendude5300: Let's set up a chroot then. In the Live env do "sudo apt install pastebinit"
[21:12] <TJ-> aliendude5300: then show us "pastebinit <( sudo blkid ; lsblk -f )"
[21:13] <TJ-> skjensen: could you make use of systemd template files (usually used to create multiple instances on the /same/ host, but has the plumbing for such a thing)
[21:14] <aliendude5300> TJ: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QMSmBgtnD9/
[21:14] <skjensen> TJ, might be a possible solution..
[21:15] <TJ-> aliendude5300: OK: "sudo mkdir /target" then "sudo mount /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root /target"
[21:15] <TJ-> aliendude5300: then "for n in proc sys dev dev/pts etc/resolv.conf; do sudo mount --bind /$n /target/$n; done"
[21:17] <roothorick> No package installs dnsmasq.conf in 18.04 now? Is that right?
[21:17] <aliendude5300> TJ: Done, no output
[21:18] <TJ-> aliendude5300: good sign! now enter the chroot with "sudo chroot /target" - you're now in the 'broken' OS. First do "mount -a" to do all the autmounts (if any)
[21:19] <aliendude5300> mount -a shows a few can't find UUID's in there
[21:19] <aliendude5300>  /boot and /boot/EFI failed
[21:19] <Bashing-om> roothorick: " sysop@x1804mini:~$ sudo find / -name dnsmasq.conf >> /etc/dbus-1/system.d/dnsmasq.conf " .
[21:19] <TJ-> aliendude5300: hmmm, that's not a good sign. That command emulates what the boot-time reading of /etc/fstab does
[21:19] <aliendude5300> interesting
[21:20] <UBUNTUME> Why is my touchpad not working right on beaver?
[21:20] <roothorick> Bashing-om: that's not the actual dnsmasq.conf
[21:20] <aliendude5300> The UUID for nvme0n1p2 matches the one it is looking for
[21:20] <TJ-> aliendude5300: I'm /guessing/  nvme0n1p2 would be where the separate /boot/ file-system is (supposed to be)
[21:20] <aliendude5300> Yes
[21:20] <UBUNTUME> Right click is no longer working... and nor is two finger scrolling
[21:21] <TJ-> aliendude5300: OK, so we have the first signs of an issue, but let's move on for now to check the initrd.img
[21:21] <aliendude5300> Where would that be?
[21:21] <aliendude5300>  /var/log?
[21:22] <TJ-> aliendude5300: we'll re-generate the initrd.img with verbose logging and check the list of installed modules by cryptsetup. We need to know the kernel version first, so show us "pastebinit <( ls -latr /boot/ )" - if as expected we don't see the kernels that's due to "mount -a" failing and we need to sort that out
[21:23] <aliendude5300> pastbinit isn't in the chroot, hold on
[21:24] <TJ-> aliendude5300: ahhh, yes, I should really remember that by now!
[21:25] <aliendude5300> Only . and .. are in the list. NO files in /boot
[21:25] <RoadRunner> TJ-: Thank you :). removed 3.19 images, 2.2GB freed! So which of the 4.4 images are safe to remove?
[21:25] <RoadRunner> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7Tg94PRFRw/
[21:27] <TJ-> RoadRunner: I'd say -96. -97, -98
[21:27] <Summerstorm> I just installed 18.04. Does anyone want to warn me of how horrible it is?
[21:27] <TJ-> RoadRunner: that leaves the 2 most recent (automatic) installs
[21:27] <aliendude5300> What can I do to mount the /boot ?
[21:28] <aliendude5300> I can see in it and it is not encrypted from the host OS
[21:28] <TJ-> aliendude5300: right, let's look at fstab: "pastebinit /etc/fstab"
[21:29] <TJ-> aliendude5300: we're expecting to see a valid mount entry for 24a1b2df-804b-47dc-b698-4ce330e71e23 /boot
[21:29] <aliendude5300> TJ: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5NSRGqJHY5/
[21:29] <Bashing-om> Summerstorm: Ubuntu and xubuntu 18.04 smooth as butter for me :)
[21:29] <RoadRunner> TJ-: any clever syntax to automate that:) ?
[21:30] <Butterfly_> Bashing-om : stop highlighting me
[21:30] <Butterfly_> :p
[21:30] <clarity510> Hey. I enabled File sharing, but I can't seem to connect to my computer
[21:30] <[Bond007]> A quick question, don´t know about the answer: came from osx.. how to chown the 3 disks I added full of s/w I want to save after installing?
[21:31] <clarity510> it's dav://machine-name.local right?
[21:31] <TJ-> RoadRunner: "sudo apt remove linux-image{,-extra}-4.4.0-9{6,7,8}-generic"
[21:31] <Summerstorm> Bahing-om : Thanks. I used 17.10 a while. Is it much different than that?
[21:31] <clarity510> I'm using Ubuntu 17 btw
[21:32] <Bashing-om> Summerstorm: Unable to advise as I have not used 17.10 .
[21:32] <TJ-> clarity510: machine-name.local would appear to be relying on local mutlicast DNS resolvers and advertisers on all systems. On Ubuntu/Linux that's the avahi packages
[21:32] <clarity510> hrm, I can nmap machine-name.local, but the ports aren't open
[21:33] <aliendude5300> As far as I know, the /etc/fstab is just fine
[21:33] <TJ-> clarity510: you can manually check what is advertised with "avahi-browse -art"
[21:33] <Summerstorm> Okey doke then, I'll check back later to see if anyone else comes up with something intersting.
[21:33] <sveinse> 18.04 fixes all issues I've had with the external displays and setting on this Lenovo P51 laptop, so a big thank you to ubuntu for this :D
[21:33] <kolbert> 18.04 is out?
[21:33] <Kamilion> mir is dead, long live xorg.
[21:33] <kolbert> :-D
[21:33] <kolbert> Gonna install when I get home
[21:34] <sveinse> kolbert: indeed, 18.04 is out
[21:34] <devslash2> has anyone here installed Ubuntu 18.04 in VirtualBox. i just did a fresh install and its really sluggish
[21:34] <TJ-> aliendude5300: let me see the failed mount messages: "pastebinit <( mount -a )"
[21:34] <Kamilion> remember, do-release-upgrade will only be available after 18.04.1
[21:34] <Kamilion> you'll either have to -d it or do a clean install
[21:34] <Bashing-om> sudormrf: Bionic however features many changes, you will do well to read the release notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes .
[21:34] <lauren> anyone know of software for ubuntu that allows per-process per-host total-bandwidth-used monitoring on ubuntu?
[21:34] <lauren> oops said "on ubuntu" twice
[21:34] <Kamilion> and I know there's some weird bugs -- like 16.04 -> 18.04 will try to remove apparmor
[21:34] <Chris999> hello everyone
[21:35] <devslash2> 18.04 is buggy for me
[21:35] <Kamilion> that'll probably be fixed by 18.04.1
[21:35] <clarity510> Do you have to reboot after turning filesharing on?
[21:35] <lauren> I've looked around a bit and nothing I can find is lightweight enough to run as a daemon and log bandwidth use
[21:35] <Chris999> anyone having an Intel Surface Laptop ? need to make the keyboard work ... I probably need the keyboard driver
[21:35] <sveinse> I've been running a prerelease of 18.04 for about a month, and its working smooth for me. Using it for my daily work
[21:35] <Kamilion> devslash2: file issues so they can be fixed; this week will be spent fixing as many as possible.
[21:35] <TJ-> lauren: well, you're asking for per-packet logging from the netfilters layer, that can be very expensive on resources
[21:35] <aliendude5300> paste.ubuntu.com/p/gxw6KbKNPQ
[21:36] <devslash2> Kamilion, the thing is, its just slow/completely unresponsive
[21:36] <devslash2> its not one specific issue with an application/binary
[21:36] <Kamilion> devslash2: How much ram? You'll need 1.5GB minimum.
[21:36] <lauren> TJ-: hmm, interesting. how expensive is expensive? the thing I was thinking of is "just run tcpdump and analyze the packet dumps"
[21:36] <devslash2> 4 GB
[21:36] <Kamilion> for the virtualbox?
[21:36] <devslash2> yea
[21:36] <Kamilion> which flavor?
[21:36] <devslash2> its completely locked up right now
[21:36] <devslash2> 18.04 desktop
[21:37] <Kamilion> I deal with lubuntu
[21:37] <lauren> TJ-: do you know of anything lighter weight than that? I'm also cool with bandwidth monitoring to classes of hosts - ie, "internet" vs "local network" type thing
[21:37] <Kamilion> sorry, dunno about the unity bs
[21:37] <TJ-> aliendude5300: did /dev fail to mount earlier I wonder? let's check. "pastebinit <( mount )"
[21:37] <devslash2> what desktop WM does lubuntu use
[21:37] <Kamilion> i can't stand that sidebar
[21:37] <Kamilion> uh, openbox I think.
[21:37] <docyam2> Hey
[21:37] <Chris999> so , no Surface users here ? :( my keyboard won`t work ...
[21:37] <devslash2> i make it auto hide the sidebar
[21:38] <Kamilion> i just want a start menu, I don't want all this fullscreen fluff
[21:38] <aliendude5300> TJ: paste.ubuntu.com/p/sStQHt4VSd
[21:38] <TJ-> lauren: there are a lot of options but all of them require inspecting packets and counting/adding at some point
[21:38] <MonkeyDust> Chris999  use the up key to repeat your question every 10-15 minutes or so, until someone can help
[21:38] <Kamilion> http://puu.sh/AbDt0/6477d5b6a9.png  <--- Lubuntu is good enough for me. :D
[21:39] <lauren> TJ-: that's not surprising. what options do you know of? if it's expensive, I'll just have to deal with that fact; would still be nice if there were something a bit easier than parsing tcpdump
[21:39] <aliendude5300> I remounted /dev and it is now working @TJ
[21:39] <aliendude5300> Let me redo ls -latr /boot
[21:40] <devslash2> Kamilion, I just force reset my VM.
[21:40] <aliendude5300> TJ: paste.ubuntu.com/p/WzykRs8hmW
[21:40] <TJ-> aliendude5300: doh! one of us mistyped earlier and missed out the /dev/ bind mount. Exit the chroot: "exit" and do "sudo umount /target/dev/pts; sudo mount --bind /dev /target/dev; sudo mount --bind /dev/pts /target/dev/pts" then re-enter: "sudo chroot /target" and do "mount -a" and there should be no errors
[21:40] <aliendude5300> I figured that one out already ;)
[21:40] <TJ-> lauren: you might be some better answers in ##networking
[21:41] <aliendude5300> The above paste is the boot contents from within chroot
[21:41] <TJ-> lauren: that or possibly #ubuntu-server
[21:41] <Chris999> ok MonkeyDust, I will , thank you
[21:41] <purvesh> MonkeyDust, Thanks for reply, I tried your command it gives me an error of invalid date
[21:41] <Kamilion> Also: To whoever came on the ubuntu-mini-remix-16.04-amd64.iso torrent and revived it from the dead a week ago: THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU
[21:41] <lauren> ah, thanks!
[21:41] <lauren> they're probably not here, Kamilion :)
[21:41] <devslash2> Kamilion, After a reboot, my entire desktop is non-responsive
[21:42] <devslash2> Kamilion, i can see the desktop but nothing is responding to mouse clicks
[21:42] <Kamilion> devslash2: Try hitting alt-space a few times
[21:42] <Kamilion> sometimes I've gotten the cursor grabbing something and it gets stuck that way
[21:42] <TJ-> aliendude5300: you keep getting ahead of me!
[21:42] <Kamilion> and alt-space is enough to release it
[21:42] <RoadRunner> TJ-: thank you again, another 600+MB liberated! now, why is there a "linux-image-extra" for every "linux-image" present, is it a backup?
[21:42] <Kamilion> RoadRunner: that's the loadable kernel modules for a ton of devices
[21:42] <devslash2> Kamilion, no luck
[21:43] <devslash2> deader than elvis
[21:43] <Kamilion> RoadRunner: you can clear them out along with the linux-images, don't leave them behind.
[21:43] <TJ-> aliendude5300: right, so we've now got /boot/ mounted. So you should see vmlinuz/initrd.img etc., with "ls -latr /boot/"
[21:43] <Kamilion> RoadRunner: you may or may not also have associated kernel-headers packages for corresponding versions, those can be removed too.
[21:43] <Chris999> Anyone having an Intel Surface Laptop ? I`d be hugely indebtted if you could help me please.. my keyboard won`t work :(
[21:44] <TJ-> RoadRunner: -extra- contains most of the 'extra' optional kernel modules
[21:44] <aliendude5300> Yes, paste.ubuntu.com/p/WzykRs8hmW
[21:44] <purvesh> MonkeyDust, But this command I found which will do my job:   sleep 10; sudo rtcwake -s 02 -m mem (but I don't know how to set this to auto repeat every 28 minutes or repeat the command Cron joh in ubuntu)
[21:44] <TJ-> RoadRunner: that way basic virtual-machine installs don't need loads of never-used modules
[21:44] <Kamilion> devslash2: Well, that sucks. Uh. Try another desktop? I hear kubuntu's nice, but heavy. Havn't tried it myself.
[21:45] <devslash2> ugh i hate kde
[21:45] <Kamilion> kde or qt?
[21:45] <devslash2> kde
[21:45] <Kamilion> I don't mind QT anymore
[21:45] <Kamilion> 5.x has been decent
[21:45] <Kamilion> QT4 was a thorn in my side
[21:45] <devslash2> i tried kubuntu which uses the KDE WM. its ugly AF
[21:45] <Kamilion> change themes, there's a bunch
[21:46] <purvesh> MonkeyDust, do you know how can I set that command as cron job ?
[21:46]  * Kamilion just sticks with lubuntu, no theme, and minimal tools
[21:46] <Kamilion> I've annoyed the lubuntu devs enough to get my preferences into the lubuntu defaults
[21:46] <RoadRunner> Kamilion: re "associated kernel-headers packages for corresponding versions" how would I check for the presence of those?
[21:46] <TJ-> aliendude5300: good! now we'll regenerate the initrd.img and capture a log of what's included, then share the log. "update-initramfs -vu -k 4.15.0-20-generic |& tee /tmp/uir.log" then "pastebinit /tmp/uir.log"
[21:47] <Kamilion> RoadRunner: uh, good question. Normally I `apt install wajig` and `wajig sizes`
[21:47] <Kamilion> RoadRunner: as for how others would do it? I think synaptic or muon would work
[21:47] <TJ-> RoadRunner: "apt list --installed linux-headers*'
[21:47] <Kamilion> ooh, apt has a list command?
[21:47] <TJ-> man!
[21:48] <Kamilion> oh. that was not the output I expected.
[21:48] <RoadRunner> Kamilion: TJ-: thank you guys! I have to depart for 20min but promise to be back with more questions :) hope to see you both here when I return :)
[21:48] <purvesh> How can I install Ubuntu & Lubuntu together dual boot & lateron I can remove Lubuntu which should not affect functionality of Ubuntu (first OS) should I make different boot partition for both OS of in one boot partition only I should install ?
[21:49] <Kamilion> RoadRunner: I havn't left IRC for 10 years.
[21:49] <TJ-> RoadRunner: generally, once linux-image* are removed "apt autoremove" will take out yjr linux-headers* packages
[21:49] <Kamilion> Highlight me if you have an information request.
[21:49] <aliendude5300> TJ: paste.ubuntu.com/p/t6Sj6Hn6nt
[21:49] <Kamilion> reminds me, I need to fork wajig for 18.04
[21:50] <Chris999> anyone  who can give me a hand ? :) I don`t know how to follow some instructions ...
[21:50] <Kamilion> or get the maintainer to drop the Depends on aptitude
[21:50] <RadicalEntity> Has anyone had a look at my pastebin?
[21:50] <Kamilion> Chris999: what sort of instructions are you having trouble with?
[21:50] <TJ-> aliendude5300: 1st possible (vital) problem! "cryptsetup: WARNING: invalid line in /etc/crypttab for luks-98c2ce02-6cb1-4a2d-a086-1e8cf78a3c58 -"
[21:50] <TJ-> aliendude5300: line 1156
[21:51] <Chris999> https://github.com/jakeday/linux-surface/blob/master/README.md
[21:51] <aliendude5300> Well that is not good
[21:52] <Kamilion> Chris999: says right at the top the keyboard doesn't work for surface laptop
[21:52] <aliendude5300> Let me pastebin the crypttab file
[21:52] <Chris999> darn ....
[21:52] <Kamilion> Chris999: plug in a USB keyboard.
[21:52] <Chris999> and I like so much this ubuntu ...
[21:53] <aliendude5300> paste.ubuntu.com/p/cY2yQ3B5wP
[21:53] <TJ-> aliendude5300: that's the problem too, your earlier pastebin shows that's the UUID for the LVM ( https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QMSmBgtnD9/ )
[21:53] <Kamilion> Run it in a VM then.
[21:53] <Kamilion> linux doesn't really care where it's run, and has no bullcrap licensing checks or serial number tomfoolery.
[21:53] <Chris999> I have done just that just can`t belive we are in 2018 and no one has built a driver for a keyboard yet ...
[21:53] <Kamilion> Chris999: blame microsoft or whoever made that device for using something nonstandard.
[21:54] <Chris999> yes , microsoft are proper shit ... hate windows
[21:54] <Kamilion> Just install WSL, Chris999
[21:54] <Kamilion> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install-win10
[21:54] <Kamilion> you'll get ubuntu with it.
[21:54] <aliendude5300> So the bug is that the LVM UUID is being used instead of /root...?
[21:55] <Kamilion> if you want a desktop, https://wiki.x2go.org/doku.php
[21:55] <dchotas> hello everyone, im not being able to connect anything through hdmi to my laptop, other os's same machine work fine
[21:55] <Kamilion> Chris999: microsoft and canonical have been working together for a while.
[21:55] <TJ-> aliendude5300: I'm doing the same test here to see why you get that message. crypttab looks fine so it could be a red herring
[21:57] <RadicalEntity> Debian comes to Windows WSL for the next update.
[21:58] <TJ-> aliendude5300: this is the problem for sure; after those warnings (which should not be there) you would normally see a few files added such as "Adding binary /sbin/cryptsetup" and the kernel modules I mentioned earlier. So now we know what top focus on
[21:58] <TJ-> aliendude5300: the bug is, something in /etc/crypttab as written by the installer, is breaking the initramfs hooks installed by cryptsetup package which are responsible for adding support for encrypted root into the initrd.img
[21:58] <TJ-> aliendude5300: the pastebin format looked fine, so I'm wondering if there are embedded invisble characters causing a problem. Can you show us "pastebinit <( hexdump -C /etc/crypttab )"
[21:59] <aliendude5300> paste.ubuntu.com/p/kWKvjqtkgT/
[22:00] <aliendude5300> Hey TJ, the last character, that period ... should that be there?
[22:00] <aliendude5300> I think that's messed up
[22:01] <aliendude5300> Let me open it with vi and delete it, if I mess up this install I don't care, there's nothing on it
[22:01] <aliendude5300> Okay, so it is not showing in vi
[22:01] <purvesh> How can I install Ubuntu & Lubuntu together dual boot & lateron I can remove Lubuntu which should not affect functionality of Ubuntu (first OS) should I make different boot partition for both OS of in one boot partition only I should install ?
[22:01] <aliendude5300> I think the 0a is just an EOF character or somethign :/
[22:01] <TJ-> aliendude5300: the 'dot' in the ASCII text on the right is the linefeed character. hexdump uses a 'dot' for all invisible codes
[22:02] <aliendude5300> Damn, thought I figured it out
[22:03] <aliendude5300> From a working system it looks like this: luks-65a2535e-8d93-4614-ad5d-8b43b69a670a UUID=65a2535e-8d93-4614-ad5d-8b43b69a670a none luks,discard
[22:03] <TJ-> aliendude5300: I think we need to enable some manual hacked debugging to the cryptsetup hooks themselves, to see what they do/see when calling update-initramfs
[22:03] <beterraba> Guys, the command "sudo apt-get install nvidia-cuda-toolkit" is broken in my computer. I'm not sure if that's because I'm in 18.04. Could someone please help me with this one?
[22:04] <aliendude5300> How can we do that?
[22:04] <TJ-> aliendude5300: the fields in crypttab are "device-mapper-name block-device key-file options,options,options"
[22:04] <TJ-> aliendude5300: I do it alot in debugging; let me check!
[22:04] <beterraba> I'm trying "sudo apt --fix-broken install", but there are errors!
[22:05] <lotuspsychje> !info nvidia-cuda-toolkit bionic
[22:05] <sky887_>    Take it easy, well i do :)
[22:06] <lotuspsychje> sky887_: can we help you with something?
[22:06] <sky887_> just lurking :)
[22:06] <lotuspsychje> sky887_: please lurk in silence in the support channel
[22:06] <roothorick> ls
[22:06] <roothorick> ...did I really just do that
[22:06] <sky887_> ok :)
[22:08] <nacc> beterraba: lotuspsychje's point was it's not an ubuntu package, fyi
[22:08] <pnwise> Once upon a time I ran chown -R www-data:www-data on my desktop thinking I am on a server web root dir
[22:08] <lotuspsychje> nacc: hmm shows in my apt-cache here
[22:09] <nacc> ah it's in multiverse
[22:09] <beterraba> You might want to run 'apt --fix-broken install' to correct these. The following packages have unmet dependencies:  cuda-drivers : Depends: nvidia-387 (>= 387.26) but it is not going to be installed  libcuda1-387 : Depends: nvidia-387 (>= 387.26) but it is not going to be installed  nvidia-387-dev : Depends: nvidia-387 (>= 387.26) but it is not going to be installed  nvidia-opencl-icd-387 : Depends: nvidia-387 (>= 387.26) but it i
[22:10] <beterraba> It seems the problem is with the repository
[22:10] <lotuspsychje> beterraba: did you add external ppa's?
[22:10] <beterraba> Yes!
[22:10] <lotuspsychje> beterraba: thats why you get scrambled dependecies
[22:10] <lotuspsychje> beterraba: we advise not to use them if possible
[22:11] <beterraba> They seem to be trustable
[22:11] <beterraba> They`re from NVIDIA themselves
[22:11] <beterraba> I`m trying to install CUDA compiler
[22:13] <TJ-> aliendude5300: I'm still digging (in the source-code/package of cryptsetup). The location of the cryptroot hook script has moved and I'm having difficulty locating the new location
[22:13] <lotuspsychje> beterraba: what i would do, is to ppapurge your external ppa's, sudo apt update and apt-cache search the packages you need from the official repos
[22:14] <lotuspsychje> beterraba: get your system to health again
[22:14] <beterraba> lotuspsychje: that seems reasonable. How can I ppapurge ?
[22:14] <lotuspsychje> !ppapurge | beterraba
[22:14] <aliendude5300> TJ: no worries
[22:15] <beterraba> Did I add the ppa when I did: "sudo apt-key add /var/cuda-repo-<version>/7fa2af80.pub" ?
[22:15] <TJ-> aliendude5300: oh duh! It's because I have a custom cryptroot of my own so removed the system version! OK, so the warning message (should be an error!) is from /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/cryptroot
[22:15] <aliendude5300> What does that mean for me here?
[22:16] <lotuspsychje> beterraba: some packages downloaded from the web, add the ppa too
[22:16] <lotuspsychje> !sources | beterraba check your sources here
[22:17] <TJ-> aliendude5300: it means we need to discover why line 356 of that (shell) script fails, so we add 'verbose' logging to it as a temporary measure. For this you need to use a text-mode text editor like vim or nano. Are you familiar/comfortable with either of those?
[22:17] <Bashing-om> TJ-: aliendude5300 This ? : " Doing an "Entire disk" installation over an existing LVM installation will fail because the installer selects the wrong boot device (1724417) " ?
[22:18] <beterraba> lotuspsychje: ok, let me check my sources
[22:18] <TJ-> Bashing-om: doesn't sound like it; in this case cryptsetup's initraamfs-tools hook script is reporting an invalid entry in crypttab
[22:18] <lotuspsychje> beterraba: your on 18.04 yea?
[22:19] <TJ-> Bashing-om: entry looks absolutely fine so we need to find out what the script is 'seeing'
[22:19] <hendrik> On update to 18.04, i got lot's of unment dependency errors, that I do not understand. For example there are a lot of python packages that require python3 < 3.6. But apt-cache show shows that there is a newer version of those packages available that are compatible with python 3.6
[22:19] <hendrik> https://pastebin.com/9WvjMiGn
[22:19] <Bashing-om> TJ-: :) .. As usual you have gone over my skills level :P
[22:19] <beterraba> lotuspsychje: yes!
[22:19] <Chris999> hello guys , quick help ?
[22:19] <lotuspsychje> beterraba: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-list-and-remove-ppa-repository-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[22:19] <lotuspsychje> !ask | Chris999
[22:20] <Chris999> have this link with what I need to make my touchscreen work , where do I put it and how?
[22:20] <Chris999> https://github.com/jakeday/linux-surface/files/1848270/dmesg.txt
[22:20] <Chris999> it`s just commands in it , no viruses or messing about
[22:20] <Chris999> do I copy in terminal or ?
[22:20] <TJ-> aliendude5300: using whichever editor you are happy with, you should open /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/cryptroot  and add as it's 2nd line "set -x" then save the file
[22:21] <aliendude5300> I'll do that with vi
[22:21] <aliendude5300> Done.
[22:22] <TJ-> aliendude5300: OK, once that's added, when the script is caused it'll write every command before executing it, so we can see what it is doing when we call update-initramfs. So again do "update-initramfs -vu -k 4.15.0-20-generic |& tee /tmp/uir.log" then "pastebinit /tmp/uir.log"
[22:22] <TJ-> s/caused/called/
[22:23] <sopparus> nginx-full seems to miss webdav in ubuntu 18.04
[22:23] <sysfault> hello guys, yesterday i dropped an ice cube on my touchpad. i immediately removed it and allowed the touchpad to dry. ever since my mouse isnt working in unity desktop however it works in both gdm and in my windows v7 partitions on the same system. did a locking mechanism of some sort occur when i did that? i dont understand
[22:23] <sopparus> dav_ext_methods
[22:23] <sopparus> nginx: [emerg] unknown directive "dav_ext_methods"
[22:23] <aliendude5300> paste.ubuntu.com/p/cP6Cj8W59j/
[22:24] <Chris999> can anyone tell me where do I copy this ? https://github.com/jakeday/linux-surface/files/1848270/dmesg.txt
[22:24] <aliendude5300> TJ: Starts on 1151
[22:24] <nacc> sopparus: libnginx-mod-http-dav-ext ?
[22:24] <sopparus> nacc, installed that one too, didnt help
[22:24] <nacc> sopparus: ah i see it's a dependency of nginx-full
[22:24] <nacc> sopparus: i'd ask teward in #ubuntu-server
[22:25] <pnwise> Isn't encfs included in ubuntu 18.04?
[22:26] <lotuspsychje> !info encfs bionic
[22:28] <TJ-> aliendude5300: 1352 looks to be the problem. I *think* it's the "luks-" prefix breaking it
[22:28] <pnwise> Thanks, looks like I didn't enable additional software repo
[22:29] <aliendude5300> Is there a good workaround I can use, or am I hosed for now?
[22:31] <Chris999> TJ- think you can take a look at the PM I sent you?
[22:32] <nacc> Chris999: copy what?
[22:33] <nacc> Chris999: please don't PM -- what is your ubuntu support question?
[22:33] <TJ-> aliendude5300: I'm reading the script itself, give me a few more minutes. I eat this code for breakfast most of the time (currently adding cryptsetup v2, key-file, and detached header support to GRUB 2 bootloader)
[22:33] <TJ-> Chris999: I don't accept private messages. All support is in channel
[22:33] <Chris999> ok
[22:34] <Chris999> so , it`s simple , found the driver for my touchscreen to work , just don`t know where to put it .. do I copy the inside commands ?
[22:34] <Chris999> https://github.com/jakeday/linux-surface/files/1848270/dmesg.txt
[22:35] <Chris999> this is the link to that text in which the commands are
[22:36] <nacc> Chris999: what commands are you referring to?
[22:37] <nacc> Chris999: also, that does not appear to be an ubuntu kernel?
[22:37] <Chris999> well, in that link I have sent , is a file named dmesg.txt , it`s my touchscreen
[22:37] <Chris999> driver
[22:37] <nacc> Chris999: dmesg.txt is the kernel log, it's not a driver.
[22:37] <Paradox55> So I just uninstalled a old version of Ubuntu to install 18.04 and I'm not able to boot into "live" mode. Removing quiet and splash from grub reveals it's having squash errors and soft/hard cpu lockups. I've tried other USB sticks, redownloading the ISO and then I went a step further and tried other distros - same problem, CPU lockups or "waiting for x server to start" with no success. I'm using a GE72VR apache pro.
[22:37] <Chris999> and what do I do with  it ?
[22:37] <nacc> Chris999: if you don't know, I'm not sure you should be doing this ... it's just a log file
[22:38] <lotuspsychje> Paradox55: define 'old version' plz?
[22:38] <Chris999> come om man .. just installed ubuntu , I know I don`t know anything as of yet but we all had to start somewhere ...
[22:38] <Paradox55> lotuspsychje pretty sure it was 17.10
[22:38] <nacc> Paradox55: and what do you mean by uninstalled to install?
[22:38] <Paradox55> I mean I dual boot, went into windows and formatted the partition.
[22:38] <nacc> Chris999: what driver do you need? what version of ubuntu did you install?
[22:39] <Chris999> 18.4 , touchscreen . so that log is basically useless ? :)) just a log ?
[22:39] <Chris999> and for the keyboard no one has cracked it yet
[22:39] <nacc> Chris999: 18.04 -- but not stock, as that kernel is not the Ubuntu one.
[22:39] <xamithan> Chris999: That is just a logfile,  follow the instructions on the main github page: https://github.com/jakeday/linux-surface/
[22:39] <Chris999> https://github.com/jakeday/linux-surface/issues/5
[22:40] <Chris999> I`d need my keyboard mainly... but can suffice with touchscreen
[22:40] <Chris999> if only someone can teach on how to do it
[22:41] <nacc> Chris999: uh, the page says the keyboard doesn't work on the surface laptop. Do you have the surface laptop?
[22:41] <nacc> Chris999: also, you need to ask that github owner, it's not an ubuntu thing
[22:41] <nacc> Chris999: they give pretty clear instructions, tbh
[22:42] <Chris999> well , to you :))
[22:42] <nacc> Chris999: tbh, using linux on a device like this requires reading the page very clearly
[22:42] <nacc> Chris999: you're also going to be doing a lot as root, which can make your installation unusable if you don't know what you are doing
[22:43] <sysfault> hello guys, yesterday i dropped an ice cube on my touchpad. i immediately removed it and allowed the touchpad to dry. ever since my mouse isnt working in unity desktop however it works in both gdm and in my windows v7 partitions on the same system. did a locking mechanism of some sort occur when i did that? i dont understand
[22:43] <sysfault> i just logged in via gdm to fluxbox and the mouse works
[22:43] <Chris999> well , yeah .... I had tried linux mint 18.3 and after installing them things, it just wouldn`t start back up
[22:43] <sysfault>  what happened in Unity
[22:43] <sysfault> touchpad isnt working
[22:44] <TJ-> aliendude5300: right, because my local cryptroot hook is quite different I cannot directly test your scenario easily without doing a VM install, but it looks as if the cryptroot hook script code expects the crypttab's 1st field to be of the form "luks-"$UUID-of-partition  whereas on your system the installer has used the partition device name "nvme0n1p3_crypt" resulting in the awk expression shown on line
[22:44] <TJ-> 1352 of the pastebin log to not return anything
[22:44] <nacc> Chris999: right, but the point is, your hardware isn't supported (it would appear) by ubuntu. If you want help with what you're doing, you need to talk to the github person
[22:44] <Chris999> nacc , think you can spare 5-10 minutes and tell me baby steps on how to do everything without making the OS unusable ?
[22:45] <aliendude5300> So what you are saying is I should edit crypttab?
[22:45] <aliendude5300> Let me try that
[22:45] <TJ-> aliendude5300: so I'm going to suggest we back-up the existing /etc/crypttab, then write what we think is the correct entry to the file, and try regenerating the initrd.img
[22:45] <TJ-> aliendude5300: "cp /etc/crypttab /etc/crypttab.bak"
[22:45] <nacc> Chris999: the website you linked to has baby steps
[22:45] <aliendude5300> I've made a backup :)
[22:45] <TJ-> aliendude5300: then edit it, change "nvme0n1p3_crypt" to "luks-98c2ce02-6cb1-4a2d-a086-1e8cf78a3c58"
[22:46] <aliendude5300> Worst case scenario I will do a reinstall ;)
[22:46] <Chris999> well , I need a bit more help , are will willing to answer my questions if I follow through with the download ?
[22:46] <nacc> Chris999: no, I personally am not
[22:46] <Chris999> ok , at least you`re honest :) thanks anyway
[22:46] <nacc> Chris999: and it's not an ubuntu support topic -- you might try #ubuntu-offtopic (I guess) or ##linux
[22:47] <TJ-> aliendude5300: Then repeat: "update-initramfs -vu -k 4.15.0-20-generic |& tee /tmp/uir.log" then "pastebinit /tmp/uir.log"
[22:47] <xar-> fyi, it's (borderline?) inappropriate to make requests of people's time, most here are volunteers
[22:48] <Chris999> last question
[22:48] <luxio> What can I do to mitigate screen tearing?
[22:48] <luxio> I'm running 18.04
[22:48] <Chris999> #ubuntu-offtopic :Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
[22:48] <Chris999> how do I identify myself ?
[22:48] <aliendude5300> Done editing, testing now
[22:49] <xar-> Chris999: https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration
[22:49] <luxio> chris999: /msg NickServ@services. help register
[22:49] <Chris999> thank you
[22:49] <luxio> :)
[22:49] <xar-> too slow luxio, I win :D
[22:49] <aliendude5300> Let me pastebin the uir.log
[22:49] <luxio> xar-: you ninja'd me
[22:49] <aliendude5300> paste.ubuntu.com/p/vGpFsy8khR
[22:49] <xar-> /o/
[22:50] <vlt> Hello. If I have multiple displays connected, how can I specify the one a program should be visible (or which display should be switched off using xset)?
[22:51] <xar-> Chris999: if you actually go through the registration process, for the love of spaghetti, use a *unique* password
[22:51] <luxio> yes, like hunter2
[22:51] <luxio> ;-)
[22:51] <luxio> but seriously, yeah
[22:51] <xar-> yes, exactly *******
[22:51] <nacc> vlt: physical displays and x displays are different things
[22:51] <Chris999> ok, unique it is :))
[22:52] <aliendude5300> TJ: Should I reboot and test it now?
[22:52] <nacc> vlt: as in `env | grep DISPLAY` will show you which X display you are on
[22:52] <nacc> vlt: and I believe xset is for turning on/off X display options
[22:53] <nacc> vlt: in that context, displays are distinct x servers
[22:53] <vlt> nacc: I meant physical displays. In my example I have one on a DVI and one on an HDMI port connected.
[22:53] <nacc> vlt: is that how you were using 'display'?
[22:53] <nacc> vlt: you want xrandr, I believe
[22:53] <nacc> vlt: and --off flag, I'm guessing
[22:53] <nacc> vlt: xrandr using the RandR extension to talk to physical displays
[22:54] <vlt> nacc: Ok, let's the ignore the xset part for now. How can I tell mplayer, for example, to run fullscreen on a certain physical display?
[22:54] <xar-> ChrisMihai: also, in my opinion, while the offtopic channel might be the "right" place for your discussion, it's historically pretty weak on the support side of things, your mileage may vary.
[22:54] <TJ-> aliendude5300: sorry, let me read up, I was away raiding the ice cream jar!
[22:55] <nacc> vlt: not trivial to do, iirc -- there was a tool called devilspie that did this
[22:55] <vlt> nacc: Thanks, I’ll try to find out more about that.
[22:56] <nacc> vlt: the thing is, I'm not current on desktop design, but I'm not sure the physical display you're running on (in the case of a multi-monitor) is surfaced to applications
[22:56] <nacc> vlt: because it's really just one big software canvas from X, I think (I could be totally wrong)
[22:57] <nacc> vlt: applications can 'remember' where they ran last on that canvas, but they don't really know about the physical layout, afaik
[22:57] <TJ-> aliendude5300: lines 1352 onwards look correct. Do a reboot test!
[22:57] <RoadRunner> TJ-: tried to get rid off the linux-headers but they don't seem to want to go https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/M4VznfVx82/
[22:57] <aliendude5300> Will do!
[22:58] <aliendude5300> For what it's worth, even if this does work, I'm a seasoned Linux user and that was godawful, and that is something I expect to see a novice hit and not even attempt to fix
[22:59] <vlt> nacc: If I switch one of the applications to “full screen mode” it uses just one of the displays. Maybe that’s X managing that in the background. So maybe I have to wrap my mplayer command with something that talks to X.
[22:59] <clarity510> Hey. I couldn't get WebDav to work on Ubuntu 17. Is this known to be broken?
[22:59] <nacc> vlt: yeah, that seems likely -- i thik that's what devilspie did
[22:59] <nacc> clarity510: 17.10?
[23:00] <clarity510> yup
[23:00] <nacc> RoadRunner: try removing one manually (e.g. linux-headers-3.19.0-43)
[23:00] <aliendude5300> It is not working :( Output shows 'volume group ubuntu-vg' not found
[23:00] <aliendude5300> Let me verify it's still working in the live env
[23:01] <clarity510> nacc, there's a pretty interface, but I couldn't figure out how to share the Public folder using WebDav. I ended up having to use samba instead
[23:01] <nacc> clarity510: that's not what i asked (there is no "Ubuntu 17")
[23:02] <clarity510> 17.10
[23:02] <nacc> clarity510: ok
[23:02] <aliendude5300> Well, I'm still using the same passphrase :(
[23:02] <aliendude5300> It works in the live env still but won't boot
[23:02] <TJ-> aliendude5300: well, provided the system is booting using the initrd.img generated (and there should only be the 1) then we know from the log all the required files were now installed correctly
[23:03] <TJ-> aliendude5300: does it fail with the same errors reported as originally
[23:03] <nacc> clarity510: i've never used WebDAV, so I don't know, sorry
[23:04] <aliendude5300> It's hard to tell, but it looks like it
[23:04] <aliendude5300> There is only one initrd in the /boot
[23:04] <TJ-> aliendude5300: line 1491 shows all the required modules being included
[23:04] <aliendude5300> I don't have the faintest idea why it is not working
[23:08] <TJ-> aliendude5300: are you still seeing the exact same reports, as in https://i.imgur.com/nRFgDZn.jpg
[23:10] <aliendude5300> Let me get a new image
[23:11] <RoadRunner> TJ-: nacc: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/23dpwKc9gy/
[23:12] <aliendude5300> TJ: https://imgur.com/a/NhlPber
[23:14] <TJ-> aliendude5300: because that photo suggested missing kernel modules (or simply not loaded). With the new initrd.img that shouldn't be happening since we can see those modules are being included
[23:15] <aliendude5300> I don't get it :/
[23:15] <aliendude5300> Let me try again
[23:15] <aliendude5300> Booting into live env
[23:15] <nacc> RoadRunner: well using apt purge
[23:15] <aliendude5300> Can you send me the commands I need to run again for the mount and redoing the initramfs
[23:16] <nacc> RoadRunner: it's a package name not a file name
[23:17] <TJ-> aliendude5300: the "dmsetup" "unknown target type" means the device-mapper layer is definitely missing a (loaded) kernel module when trying to unlock the device
[23:18] <RoadRunner> nacc: what's the proper syntax then (not my strong point...)?
[23:18] <aliendude5300> Yeah, I think I may have done it wrong. Worth another try
[23:18] <aliendude5300> My IRC client scrollback isn't log enough to grab the commands you sent forever ago
[23:18] <nacc> RoadRunner: `sudo apt-get purge <pkgname>` (or remove instead of purge, but in your case, purge is fine)
[23:18] <aliendude5300> I'd use history on the shell but naturally it's a live env
[23:18] <nacc> aliendude5300: the channel is logged as well
[23:19] <nacc> !logs > aliendude5300
[23:19] <TJ-> aliendude5300: which thing do you think you did wrong? the crypttab edit looks correct to me based on the uir.log
[23:20] <aliendude5300> I don't know
[23:20] <aliendude5300> I just like to double check. By all means it should be working right now
[23:21] <aliendude5300> okay, I see an initrd.img in / where it should be in /boot
[23:21] <TJ-> aliendude5300: what is supposed to happen is update-initramfs scripts add all the required files, plus any configs, to the initrd.img, which at boot-time runs scripts based on the configs to ensure everything is in place to access the root FS, that includes loading modules required for device-mapper to access encrypted devices. So you may have discovered a bug in the new crytpsetup v2 scripts themselves. I'll
[23:22] <TJ-> need to test in a dedicated VM because I use my own customisations. It's way past midnight here so I would have to do that another time
[23:22] <aliendude5300> Fair enough
[23:22] <TJ-> aliendude5300: on failure it should be dropping to a shell so you can attempt to fix it; that's bothering me just as much as the failure to unlock itself
[23:23] <m4t> is there a way to make update-manager not nag me every 10 min after i click 'Remind me later'?
[23:23] <m4t> seems excessive...
[23:24] <beterraba> Guys, when I do "python main.py" in my application, I see that "ImportError: No module named flask". But when I do "pip install Flask" it appears that "Requirement already satisfied: Flask". What might be going on?
[23:24] <TJ-> aliendude5300: one thing occurs to me; the cryptsteup hook script that adds modules tries to identity and add CPU-specific modules (for hardware supported operations) - I'm wondering if that is not adding the correct modules for some reason
[23:26] <aliendude5300> I'm not sure. If you need anything else, I can grab it real quick
[23:26] <TJ-> aliendude5300: I'm having a hard time keeping my eyes open so I'll have to leave it for now, need sleep!
[23:27] <apd> Hello. Could someone tell if  "do-release-upgrade" is possible right now? On Ubuntu MATE 17.10 right now
[23:27] <TJ-> aliendude5300: i'd strongly recommmend creating a bug report to track this though, against the cryptsetup package
[23:27] <aliendude5300> I'll consider that. I might do a reinstall without crypto for now
[23:28] <Bashing-om> apd: Maybe yes - maybe no .. depends on what has sync's up. See the advisory: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes#Upgrading_from_Ubuntu_16.04_LTS_or_17.10 .
[23:29] <TJ-> aliendude5300: title should be "WARNING: invalid line in /etc/crypttab" and either let me know the bug number or I'll find it with a search later
[23:30] <apd> Bashing-om: Thanks. So I wait...
[23:30] <RoadRunner> nacc: a single package was removed fine but a group command isn't working: sudo apt-get purge linux-headers{,-extra}-3.19* What's wrong with my syntax?
[23:31] <TJ-> aliendude5300: we know changing the device-mapper name to the luks-$UUID format apparently did something to correct it, but there's still something else going on
[23:31] <TJ-> RoadRunner: no 'extras' for headers!
[23:32] <TJ-> RoadRunner: "sudo apt purge linux-headers-3.19*"
[23:33] <aliendude5300> TJ-, https://bugs.launchpad.net/cryptsetup/+bug/1767527
[23:33] <aliendude5300> I can add any additional info now
[23:34] <TJ-> aliendude5300: I'll assign it to myself
[23:35] <RoadRunner> TJ-: also, why purge rather than remove like for images?
[23:36] <idioticideas_> How can I install Ubuntu & Lubuntu together dual boot & lateron I can remove Lubuntu which should not affect functionality of Ubuntu (first OS) should I make different boot partition for both OS of in one boot partition only I should install ?
[23:36] <TJ-> aliendude5300: I attached the screenshot to it
[23:37] <TJ-> RoadRunner: belt-and-braces - not a lot of difference in the case of the headers
[23:37] <aliendude5300> Thanks for the help TJ-!
[23:37] <purvesh> MonkeyDust, do you know how can I set that command as cron job ?
[23:38] <TJ-> RoadRunner: purge removes configuration files created by the package, remove does not (in case you want to re-install and retain existing settings)
[23:38] <Bashing-om> purvesh: Seperate partions. See my setup : http://termbin.com/l95w
[23:39] <TJ-> aliendude5300: I'll try to recreate it in a VM. If that is possible we know there's a definite bug
[23:40] <aliendude5300> I wonder if it's dependent on it being an NVMe drive
[23:41] <TJ-> aliendude5300: I wondered that but I cannot swee why; we proved the scripts expect the luks-format, and that's not been a normal device-mapper name as long back as I can recall, so I suspect that is at the heart of this
[23:41] <TJ-> aliendude5300: it could also be the installer isn't completely cryptsetup V2 aware
[23:41] <aliendude5300> I'll try to add an lshw to this bug
[23:42] <RoadRunner> TJ-: nacc: and again thank you - about another Gig free! no wonder my system was getting slugish... what was in those linux-headers anyway?
[23:44] <aliendude5300> I've attached the lshw to the report. I think it might be NVMe specific
[23:44] <aliendude5300> I can try to reproduce in a VM myself later
[23:44] <aliendude5300> I'd love to see this fixed :)
[23:45] <hiiggy> Hey, got a hopefully easy issue for you guys. I've got a fan controller script in my home directory called fancontrols. I've already done a chmod +x on it, and then added it to crontab -e as a new line "@reboot /home/user/./fancontrols". However, it does not run when the system starts up. The commands in the file work individually via terminal, and I can run the file from ~ by simply typing fancontrols. What am I missing?
[23:46] <Jogn> Hi, I just tried to install Ubuntu 18.04 on my Dell XPS 13 9370, but the installer does not recognize the SSD
[23:46] <windows7lover> When I sleep my laptop then wake it up my right click goes away :(
[23:47] <windows7lover> I'm trying to two finger click as a right click on my lappy
[23:47] <Jogn> What can I do?
[23:47] <aliendude5300> run stat /home/user/./fancontrols and check the ownership and permissions of the file and the parent directory
[23:47] <sisafa> gnome-session-fallback just hangs with textentry cursor when logging into the new 18.04 Bionic Beaver. ...try using USB 2.0
[23:47] <aliendude5300> Jogn: Change the SATA mode maybe in the BIOS
[23:47] <courrier> Is it still possible that some workstations can't find 18.04 now? I have no result when running do-release-upgrade but I do have a result when asking for the development version with -d, is it because the stable version is not yet available?
[23:48] <lotuspsychje> courrier: from wich release?
[23:48] <hiiggy> aliendude5300: I assume the first access line shows the info? I get: Access: (0755/-rwxr-xr-x)  Uid: (    0/    root)   Gid: (    0/    root)
[23:48] <RoadRunner> TJ-:  nacc: guys, I am impressed with your grasp of nix syntax, is there a good resource you could recommend to learn this (other than looking up one command at a time in man)?
[23:49] <Jogn> So, it is in RAID mode. Does Ubuntu not support it?
[23:50] <tomreyn> Jogn: no, but it's fake raid anyways, so keeping it just makes you depend on your closed source firmware and mainboard.
[23:50] <courrier> lotuspsychje: from 16.04
[23:51] <TJ-> hiiggy: is user's home directory encrypted? if so, files will be unavailable at startup
[23:51] <hiiggy> Nope
[23:51] <TJ-> hiiggy: @reboot tasks execute when cron daemon starts
[23:51] <lotuspsychje> courrier: we advise to wait till june 18.04.1 for lts to lts upgrades
[23:52] <hiiggy> The cron daemon should start automatically, right?
[23:52] <courrier> ha ok thanks lotuspsychje
[23:52] <hiiggy> (One hour old copy of 18.04, if relevant)
[23:52] <slavic> Greetings. I'm experiencing some issues with a fresh install of 18.04. I'd like to submit bugs where appropriate but the procedure is not entirely easy. The first issue is the WiFi section of the Settings screen: it freezes for 10-30 seconds anytime I access it.
[23:52] <lotuspsychje> courrier: your xenial system will get notified at that time
[23:54] <courrier> I've aborted the do-release-upgrade when it asked something like "we're gonna install some proprietary software, do you agree" and it looks like it broke my system. Apparently it started to do the upgrade directly, my source.list has bionic entries and some apckages are broken
[23:55] <slavic> Greetings. I'm experiencing some issues with a fresh install of 18.04. I'd like to submit bugs where appropriate but the procedure is not entirely easy. The first issue is the WiFi section of the Settings screen: it freezes for 10-30 seconds anytime I access it. First of all, which package would a bug be submitted against? Also, where is ubuntu-bug?
[23:55] <lotuspsychje> !patience | slavic
[23:56] <slavic> Was trying to edit my question, didn't mean to repeat myself. Apologizes.
[23:56] <courrier> anyway, at tha moment of time is the "do-release upgrade -d" from xenial equivalent to a fresh install from the 18.04 image?
[23:56] <RoadRunner> TJ-: also, you asked me for this before; this is the system after linux-image and headers cleaning http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CqpbG92shf/ - inode use dropped by half.
[23:56] <RoadRunner> Does this look reasonable?
[23:58] <purvesh> Bashing-om, sorry I didnt get that partition list where is boot partition in that ?
[23:59] <windows7lover> What is better? gnome or nano?


[04:48] <Squirm> morning
[05:28] <Kilos> morning charlvn and the rest of ubuntu-za
[05:44] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[05:44]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[05:48] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[05:48] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[05:48] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[06:14] <Kilos> morning SmilyBorg_w
[06:14] <SmilyBorg_w> hey there
[06:56] <Squirm> lo
[06:59] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[07:16] <magespawn> good morning all
[07:16] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[07:17] <Kilos> when you got time i got some stuff you can try inna shop to speed up your internet connection
[07:19] <magespawn> okay you have my attention.
[07:20] <Kilos> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG5cEik2ABY
[07:20] <Kilos> i think thats the one
[07:20] <magespawn> will check it out ty.
[07:20] <Kilos> winding more cable to your pc router connection
[07:20] <Kilos> yw
[07:21]  * Kilos greets cocooncrash
[07:22] <cocooncrash> Hi Kilos
[07:38] <Kilos> what happened SadBorg
[07:40] <SadBorg> My girlfriend and I moved into separate apartments after a little over 2 years of living together. We haven't borken up, just living separately.
[07:41] <Kilos> oh i thought you had work probs
[07:41] <SadBorg> It's hard enough being apart, but I can't stand being on my own. Any my new place is so alien and cold
[07:42] <SadBorg> if I'm not careful, I'll end up with work problems. Not easy to function at work when I'm in tears every 5 minutes
[07:42] <SadBorg> dunno how I managed to drive to work like that
[07:42] <Kilos> eish
[08:03] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[08:03] <Kilos> magespawn, lemme know if it works here hey
[08:03] <Kilos> lol
[08:03] <Kilos> yes?
[08:05] <magespawn> no luck with that hack but I will try another cable as the one I tried only has four strands.
[08:06] <Kilos> oh it said same cable methinks
[08:06] <Kilos> one can buy them
[08:06] <Kilos> cat6 cables i think they are called
[08:07] <magespawn> i have but the one plugged in is a premade
[08:07] <Kilos> well this is supposed to be a poor mans workaround to that
[08:08] <Kilos> if you have one in there i dunno if the added cable will then again double the speed
[08:10] <magespawn> will check it out a bit later
[08:15] <Kilos> k
[09:15] <charlvn> good morning all
[09:16] <Kilos> hi charlvn
[09:20] <charlvn> hi Kilos
[09:20] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee on
[09:20]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[09:20] <charlvn> Kilos: how's it going this fine morning
[09:22] <smile> hi Kilos & charlvn :p
[09:22] <charlvn> hi smile
[09:22] <smile> good morning :)
[09:23] <charlvn> how's the weather in BE, here in NL it's nice and sunny today
[09:24] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charlvn!
[09:29] <Kilos> hi smile charlvn i maintain
[09:29] <smile> charlvn: it's fine!  I installed it and low and behold, it's showing Chinese and Japanese characters
[12:23] <Kilos> lol
[12:26] <Kilos> can one only get myunity from a ppa goodie
[12:27] <Kilos> nope found in that top thing
[12:27] <Kilos> dash
[12:31] <inetpro> Kilos: dankie, ja
[12:31] <Kilos> mooi
[12:34] <Kilos> i hope its safe to install ubuntu tweak
[12:34] <Kilos> another ppa
[12:35] <Kilos> tumbleweed, is ubuntu tweak wise for me
[12:37] <Kilos> or inetpro ^
[12:39] <Kilos> reading http://www.webupd8.org/2012/04/things-to-tweak-after-installing-ubuntu.html i get bang
[12:42] <tumbleweed> Kilos: we had a long discussion on whether ubuntu-tweak should be included in Ubuntu, a couple of years ago
[12:42] <tumbleweed> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.motu/6740
[12:42] <tumbleweed> we decided not to
[12:42] <Kilos> ty tumbleweed
[12:43] <not_found_droid> Who need to type when they can talk
[12:43] <Kilos> there is some kinda tweak thing in software centre too must i leave that as well
[12:43] <tumbleweed> I liek this post in that discussion: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.motu/6768
[12:44] <tumbleweed> gnome-tweak and myunity are in Ubuntu, because they just let you change configuration options
[12:44] <Kilos> called ubuntu user ausgape
[12:45] <Kilos> i cant copy it to paste here
[12:45] <tumbleweed> ubuntu-tweak encourages adding lots of PPAs, and similarly dangerous things, that mean you are having to trust many more developers not to break your machine
[12:45] <Kilos> oh my
[12:45] <Kilos> ok ill try get things done wioth myunity only ty
[12:46] <Trixar_za> In one word: TweakUI and Lockergnome for Windows
[12:46] <Trixar_za> Well, ok, maybe more than one
[12:46] <Trixar_za> My mind remembered Lockergnome later
[12:46] <Trixar_za> :P
[12:49] <Trixar_za> Oh and Gamegain and a few others
[12:50] <Trixar_za> But then again, the GNOME philosophy is to treat the user like an idiot :/
[12:51] <Trixar_za> (What else do you call hiding configurable?)
[12:53] <Trixar_za> And I'm paraphrasing Linus Torvalds before somebody jumps me on it
[13:01] <Trixar_za> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2005-December/msg00021.html
[13:01] <Trixar_za> He since moved to XFCE, but yea
[13:07] <Trixar_za> I like offending people, because I think people who get offended should be offended. ---Torvalds, Linus (2012-06-14).
[13:07] <Trixar_za> <3
[13:07] <not_found_droid> I am getting my tweaking fix with android
[13:08] <Kilos> i tried to open the myunity thing and it shows in the menu onna left for 10 secs then disappears
[13:09] <Kilos> all i wanna do is increase font sixe throughout
[13:09] <Kilos> used to be in system
[13:09] <Kilos> appearance i think
[13:09] <Trixar_za> Run it in terminal and see if an error pops up
[13:10] <Kilos> ok
[13:10] <Kilos> nope just goes back to prompt
[13:11] <Trixar_za> Weird
[13:11] <Trixar_za> Does it have a -debug package?
[13:11] <Kilos> lol what is supposed to open
[13:12] <Kilos> i even got synaptic will go see
[13:13] <Kilos> nope
[13:14] <Kilos> Maaz, google how to use myunity in ubuntu 12.04
[13:14] <Maaz> Kilos: "Install MyUnity 3.0 on Ubuntu 12.04/11.10/11.04 (New Release ..." http://www.noobslab.com/2012/02/install-myunity-30-on-ubuntu.html :: "MyUnity 3.0 Supports Ubuntu 12.04 and Themes - Softpedia" http://news.softpedia.com/news/MyUnity-3-0-Supports-Ubuntu-12-04-and-Themes-255220.shtml :: "Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Features Unity Configuration Tool MyUnity ..." http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-12-04-LTS-Features-Unity-Configuration-Tool-239
[13:16] <magespawn> Kilos sorry for long wait. no i only have cat5
[13:16] <Kilos> np magespawn who knows what will happen without trying the mod hey?
[13:17] <Trixar_za> Funny enough, I remember that Ubuntu tended to fix itself after a restart
[13:17] <magespawn> indeed and he may be on a cable modem which might affect it. or it could just be a hoax/joke?
[13:18] <Kilos> lol ill try a resatart
[13:18] <Trixar_za> Mind you, I had a very limited understand how how Ubuntu worked. Even after understanding SliTaz and how it works, I still find Debian and Ubuntu's design mysterious
[13:18] <Kilos> bbl
[13:18] <Trixar_za> Not sure if that's a good or bad thing
[13:18] <Kilos> lol
[13:18] <Kilos> costs nothing to try except time
[13:57] <Trixar_za> wb Kilos
[13:58] <Kilos> ty Trixar_za i found them font settings
[13:59] <Kilos> and that myunity thing was underneeth another open window
[13:59] <Kilos> underneath
[13:59] <Kilos> oh my
[14:04] <Trixar_za> The more I read about Linus Torvalds, the more I like him
[14:21] <magespawn> i am out of here, see you all later
[14:22] <Trixar_za> And I guess myunity is a single process program then
[14:37] <Kilos> well it changed my font sizes which was all i needed at the mo
[14:37] <Kilos> got tired of ctrl + everywhere
[14:42] <superfly> Trixar_za: unlike RMS, Torvalds is very pragmatic
[14:43] <superfly> opinionated, but pragmatic
[14:43] <Trixar_za> What he has to say about RMS is also classic
[14:44] <Trixar_za> But I would probably get along more with Torvalds than RMS
[14:44] <Trixar_za> I'm a self-confessed bastard myself
[15:10]  * nlsthzn sent a message to the mailing list... but it doesn't seem to have gone through :/
[15:11] <Kilos> the one about monthly reports nlsthzn
[15:12] <nlsthzn> ah I guess it did go through :p
[15:13] <nlsthzn> thanks uncle Kilos
[15:13] <Kilos> hehe
[15:13] <Kilos> yw laddy
[15:14] <Kilos> peeps are very slack until you push on their buttons personally
[15:14]  * nlsthzn won't know who has buttons that need pusing :p
[15:14] <Kilos> they think later and then when later comes they have already forgotten what was supposed to be done later
[15:14] <nlsthzn> pushing
[15:15] <Kilos> what do you still need nlsthzn ?
[15:15] <nlsthzn> just that anything that has happened the last month to be captured in the wiki :p
[15:15] <nlsthzn> or someone to tell me and give links etc. and I or someone else can add them :
[15:16] <Kilos> i dont think anything has happened
[15:16] <Kilos> been very quiet since last meeting
[15:17] <Kilos> make an appeal to the lists for guys to mail you info and links
[15:17] <Kilos> not leave for tomorrow
[15:18] <Kilos> domani never comes
[15:43] <Kilos> wb Trix[a]r_za
[16:43] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[16:43]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[16:43] <Kilos> you home superfly ?
[16:47] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[16:47] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[16:47] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[16:49] <superfly> Kilos: sortof around
[16:49] <Kilos> just checking you home sir
[16:52] <superfly> been "home" all week
[16:53] <Kilos> oh my. you sick?
[17:03] <superfly> no, just looking after the family
[17:17] <magespawn> evening all
[17:27] <superfly> hi magespawn
[17:27] <Kilos> hmmm hiya mae
[17:27] <Kilos> magespawn,
[17:28] <magespawn> hey superfly
[17:28] <magespawn> Hi Kilos
[17:30] <magespawn> whats up?
[17:30] <Kilos> winning slowly
[17:31] <Kilos> getting unified
[17:31] <Kilos> whats news your side
[17:31] <magespawn> not much, not unified though
[17:32] <magespawn> what is the command to find out the version of ubuntu again?
[17:32] <Kilos> lol
[17:32] <Kilos> ?
[17:32] <Kilos> ask maaz
[17:33] <magespawn> Maaz command to find version of ubuntu
[17:33] <Maaz> magespawn: Huh?
[17:33] <Kilos> Maaz, google how to check what release of ubuntu you are using
[17:33] <Maaz> Kilos: "CheckingYourUbuntuVersion - Community Ubuntu Documentation" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CheckingYourUbuntuVersion :: "How to Tell What Version of Ubuntu You Are Running - How-To Geek" http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/how-to-tell-what-version-of-ubuntu-you-are-running/ :: "Find which Ubuntu Linux Version you are running | Ubuntu Geek" http://www.ubuntugeek.com/find-which-ubuntu-linux-version-you-are-running.html :: "Check
[17:33] <Kilos> can you browse magespawn
[17:33] <magespawn> lol suppose I should google
[17:33] <magespawn> yup
[17:33] <magespawn> brb
[17:33] <Kilos> ^^^
[17:33] <Kilos> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CheckingYourUbuntuVersion
[17:34] <Kilos> charlvn_, where you
[17:35] <magespawn> lsb_release -a
[17:35] <Kilos> nuvolari, dis naweek jy mag kom gesels
[17:36] <magespawn> that is the command, irks me when I forget stuff
[17:36] <Kilos> lol
[17:36] <magespawn> 10.04 on a resurrected laptop
[17:36] <Kilos> thats good
[17:36] <Kilos> the one with cracked screen?
[17:38] <magespawn> no this is another one'
[17:38] <Kilos> ah
[17:38] <Kilos> what did you have to resurrect?
[17:38] <magespawn> owner was told it was broken beyond repair
[17:38] <Kilos> lol
[17:38] <magespawn> cleaned the heat sink and hey presto
[17:38] <Kilos> well done
[17:39] <magespawn> very old though has 20 gig harddrive
[17:39] <Kilos> cpu overheating?
[17:39] <magespawn> but everything works
[17:39] <magespawn> yes it was
[17:39] <Kilos> 20g is good for lotsa peeps
[17:39] <magespawn> yes it is for me.
[17:39] <Kilos> lappy drives are expensive
[17:40] <Kilos> better for them to get an external if they need more place
[17:40] <magespawn> and on something this old not worth replacing
[17:40] <Kilos> what specs
[17:40] <Kilos> but they most likely want winsucks
[17:41] <magespawn> the owner went and got a new one, gave me the old one, installed 10.4 as it only has 512 ram
[17:41] <Kilos> ah
[17:41] <magespawn> win was running slow
[17:41] <Kilos> cpu speed?
[17:41] <magespawn> not sure hold on
[17:42] <Kilos> now i forgot how to ask for that
[17:42] <superfly> cat /proc/cpuinfo i think
[17:42] <magespawn> intel celeron 1.5ghz
[17:43] <magespawn> single core
[17:43] <Kilos> the fly told me once but now its somewhere on the maverick drive or external
[17:43] <Kilos> oh thats slow
[17:43] <Kilos> but good for 10.04
[17:43] <magespawn> yes but it is fine for things like this, i also use in the shop to connect to the server
[17:43] <Kilos> but more ram will be good
[17:44] <magespawn> i was just amused the other computer shop got it so wrong
[17:44] <Kilos> i found most releases like 640m ram to run lekker
[17:44] <magespawn> do not think I have any laptop ram
[17:44] <superfly> magespawn: they only know windows, what do you expect?
[17:44] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[17:45] <magespawn> but this was a hardware problem they told the owner that something had melted and could not be replaced
[17:45] <Kilos> windows doesnt work, pc stuffed
[17:45] <Kilos> they were just covering their ignorance
[17:46] <Kilos> most likely didnt even open it
[17:47] <Kilos> this launcher thing on the left is same as adding apps to top panel with gnome
[17:48] <Kilos> i could live with unity i think
[17:48] <superfly> no Kilos, noooo!!!!!
[17:48] <Kilos> lol
[17:48] <superfly> *sob* I think we've lost him
[17:48] <Kilos> what superfly must i go kde?
[17:49] <Kilos> or add cinnamon
[17:49] <superfly> Kilos: stick to Unity :-) I was joking with you
[17:49] <Kilos> whew
[17:49]  * Kilos wipes brow
[17:50] <superfly> of course I don't know Unity, so I can't help you, whereas if you used KDE, I would be able to
[17:50] <Kilos> if its the future then one must go with the flow or go kde
[17:50] <superfly> but stick to one thing, don't run between them
[17:50] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[17:51] <zeref> Kilos: gnome-shell?
[17:51] <Kilos> but installing kubuntu-desktop isnt same as a full kubuntu install
[17:51] <superfly> not quite
[17:51] <Kilos> zeref, unity isnt that bad if you have data to google how to do this or that
[17:51] <superfly> mostly
[17:52] <Kilos> switching desktops is now 2 clicks not just one anymore
[17:52] <Kilos> so one could lose time over the gnome way
[17:53] <Kilos> superfly, what do the weed and crash kid use, do you know?
[17:53] <Kilos> someone must enjoy unity
[17:54] <Kilos> nlsthzn, you use unity hey?
[17:55] <superfly> Kilos: as far as I know, tumbleweed uses Gnome Shell and cocooncrash uses KDE
[17:55] <Kilos> and old langjan seems to be getting good with unity
[17:55] <Kilos> oh my goodness
[17:55] <zeref> Kilos: i use short-cuts + i'm using the keyboard more often, which is far quicker for me
[17:55]  * tumbleweed uses gnome fallback + xmonad. I'm not a shell fan
[17:55] <tumbleweed> I do quite like unity, though
[17:56] <Kilos> tumbleweed, you a gnome follower?
[17:56] <Kilos> unity isnt bad, just a new learning curve
[17:57] <nlsthzn> Kilos, I have a unity install
[17:57] <tumbleweed> Kilos: not really
[17:57] <Kilos> oh tumbleweed to open other terminals on other desktops you do ctrl +alt +t
[17:58] <tumbleweed> it's quite likely to be different on each desktop
[17:58] <tumbleweed> e.g. for me, alt-shift-enter
[17:58] <Kilos> i like to open one terminal on xchat workspace and minimised terminal for my ibid
[17:58] <superfly> ctrl+shift+n
[17:58] <tumbleweed> ctrl-alt-t is a gnome thing
[17:58] <Kilos> oh
[17:59] <Kilos> whew
[17:59] <Kilos> isnt unity a gnome spinoff
[17:59] <Kilos> im sure ive seen lotsa gnome stuff
[18:00] <superfly> Kilos: Unity is a desktop shell, like Gnome Shell or Plasma (KDE)
[18:01] <Kilos> ok
[18:02] <Kilos> nlsthzn, you happy with unity?
[18:08] <magespawn> i like to try lots of different ones, and I am still using win a fair amount
[18:08] <Kilos> magespawn, there another sneeky thing with win to add free ram
[18:08] <Kilos> yo Banlam
[18:09] <nlsthzn> Kilos, I love the idea... but there seems to be some major buginess for me at least still making it a trying experience
[18:09] <Kilos> oh did you try it
[18:09] <Kilos> from the cd fix video
[18:10] <Kilos> oh sorry nlsthzn thought it was mage answering
[18:10] <nlsthzn> no worries :)
[18:11] <Kilos> nlsthzn, it gets better as you find how to do things
[18:11] <nlsthzn> been using it since 11.04 uncle Kilos... I know the ins and outs... but when it doesn't do what it is supposed to I want to throw my PC out the window :)
[18:11] <Kilos> lol
[18:12] <Kilos> maybe you expect a bit much
[18:12] <Kilos> you guys are to clever and expect funny things from a pc
[18:13] <Kilos> i wish they wouldnt make gwibber part on default install
[18:14] <nlsthzn> nope... just what it is supposed to do... if it did it 10 minuites ago.. why not now :p
[18:14] <nlsthzn> gwibber only real twitter app for gnome... but it isn't to great I agree
[18:14] <Kilos> i use twitter in pidgin
[18:15] <Kilos> didnt you see todays tweet
[18:16] <Kilos> superfly, all good with family, hows mrs_fly recovering
[18:16] <Kilos> ?
[18:17] <superfly> Kilos: getting there
[18:17] <Kilos> takes time
[18:17] <Kilos> but they also enjoy being nursed
[18:17] <nlsthzn> I didn't know that pidgin could do that... nice :)
[18:18] <Kilos> pidgin rocks nlsthzn
[18:19] <nlsthzn> isn't to shabby
[18:19] <Kilos> saw a link where they say twitter doesnt work in 12.04 pidgin but mine is working
[18:20] <Kilos> just did a deja-dup backup from maverick and it all works
[18:20] <Kilos> i also still use evolution not thunderbird
[18:21] <Kilos> never lost one mail
[18:23] <Kilos> and now my usb hub isnt messing around with the 3g modem like on vodacom
[18:23] <Kilos> 8ta works kiff here
[18:23] <Kilos> from the same tower
[18:30] <smile> bye! :D
[18:30] <smile> :)
[18:30] <Kilos> sleep tight smile
[18:31] <smile> thanks Kilos :)
[18:31] <smile> you too
[18:31] <smile> and charlvn too :p
[18:31] <Kilos> ty
[18:34] <Kilos> yo Tonberry tonberry352_
[18:36] <Kilos> oh my goodness
[18:36] <Kilos> magespawn, you safe i see
[18:36] <Kilos> more than half net split
[18:37] <magespawn> wow there goes Maaz
[18:37] <magespawn> yup still here Kilos
[18:37] <Kilos> how can qp be affected by the netsplit when she be installed here onna pc
[18:37] <Kilos> Maaz, wb
[18:37] <Maaz> Thank you so much Kilos my good good friend
[18:38] <Kilos> WB everyone
[18:38] <Kilos> exactly half split
[18:40] <Kilos> tumbleweed, can you tell me how come my bot got affected by this last netsplit when its installed here on my pc?
[18:40] <Kilos> i can understand maaz cause he is in germany
[18:40] <tumbleweed> Kilos: it connected to a different server to you
[18:41] <tumbleweed> Maaz: dig irc.freenode.net
[18:41] <Maaz> tumbleweed: Records: <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:41] <Kilos> oh a freenode server?
[18:41] <tumbleweed> which one you connect to would be random
[18:41] <Kilos> ok ty that explains it
[18:45] <magespawn> you can specify can't you?
[18:46] <Kilos> i dunno how because xchat often has different servers
[18:46] <Kilos> but random is good if the one you choose dies
[18:47] <Kilos> but would be nice to make QP use same as my xchat
[18:47] <Kilos> then at least bot wont split without you
[18:48] <Kilos> magespawn, did you get that bit about free ram on winsucks
[18:48] <magespawn> tumbleweed can you specify the server the ibid connects to?
[18:48] <magespawn> yes i did but did not try it. no time today
[18:49] <Kilos> oh ok would be interesting too seeing as you do lots of ms stuff
[18:50] <magespawn> will give it a go when I can. do not see why it should only work in win
[18:50] <Kilos> the command isnt a linux one
[18:50] <Kilos> but the idea is good if one can convert it to linux
[18:51] <Kilos> chowed lotsa data trhem youtube vids
[18:51] <Kilos> mrs_fly, wb
[18:52] <Kilos> haha the fly woke up his server
[18:52] <magespawn> yeah only watch them at the shop
[18:52] <Kilos> SmilyBorg_l, wassup
[18:52] <Kilos> its dark time
[18:53] <Kilos> uncapped is really the answer hey magespawn
[18:53] <magespawn> ftw
[18:53] <Kilos> imagine running your shop on broadband costs
[18:53] <Kilos> mind you 8ta got good deals
[18:53] <magespawn> would just be too slow when the system gets loaded
[18:54] <magespawn> 3g does not handle mutiple computers very well
[18:54] <Kilos> what speed you getting with mweb?
[18:54] <magespawn> 1meg
[18:54] <Kilos> maybe a good 3g router
[18:54] <Kilos> ah a meg is way past sa's broadband
[18:55] <magespawn> can use it as a fallover
[18:55] <Kilos> im happy when i hit 350 k
[18:55] <magespawn> sorry 1Mbps
[18:55] <Kilos> i got that
[18:56] <Kilos> 8ta hit 325kB/s here today but mostly around 125 kB/s
[18:56] <magespawn> so the peak for download is about 100Kbps but it is more stable under load than 3g
[18:56] <Kilos> yeah
[18:57] <Kilos> wonder where nuvolari might be
[18:58] <Kilos> too dark for heli and beach
[18:59] <Kilos> slepp tight magespawn and all others. see you tomorrow
[18:59] <Kilos> sleep as well
[19:12] <tumbleweed> magespawn: yes
[19:12] <magespawn> that would be a way for kilos to do it
[19:29] <magespawn> good night all.
[21:49] <charlvn> good evening all
[21:49] <charlvn> anyone still awake?