[13:53] <cmaloney> Happy almost 4th of July
[15:05] <greg-g> Today is when all our parades and fireworks are happening. I mean, personal fireworks are illegal (which I'm ok with, because fire) but all the city ones.
[18:14] <Scary_Guy> I mean no they aren't.  Personal fireworks are completely legal up to a certain class, at least in Michigan.
[18:16] <Scary_Guy> https://www.michigan.gov/lara/0,4601,7-154-11472-500873--,00.html
[18:21] <Scary_Guy> https://www.wilx.com/2021/05/25/neighborhood-firework-complaints-begin/
[18:21]  * Scary_Guy shakes fist
[20:28] <greg-g> Sorry, I thought everyone knew I was in CA. My city, along with many in the area, has a complete ban on all personal fireworks.
[21:40] <waldo323> that would be sooo great, i'm not thrilled with fireworks anymore
[22:49] <cmaloney> same
[22:49] <cmaloney> i would like to not have big booms


[00:13] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I don't see the docs in khelpcenter is there a ppa I need?
[00:24] <kfunk> FTR: libgrantlee-dev and libgrantlee5-dev are not co-installable
[01:11] <ahoneybun> has anyone gotten Ubuntu to run on the HP Stream 11?
[05:18] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: ping
[05:19] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: congratulations on the feature page. It knocked my socks off
[07:15] <soee> good morning
[08:36] <sitter> Riddell: konsole ci broken
[09:59] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:00] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:00] <sitter> Riddell, Mirv: it appears to me that kross needs qtbase-abi rebuilds nowadays
[11:01] <sitter> so does qtcurve
[11:07] <Riddell> sitter: kross is still building for kf5.8 no?
[11:07] <Riddell> sitter: should it get a manual depends on qt-abi-x.y?
[11:07] <sitter> if it is still building its alright
[11:07] <sitter> just thought I should mention it since today's upgrade wants to remove the two packages :'<
[11:11]  * sitter wonders why kio master fails to build
[11:33] <Mirv> sitter: I'm totally already learned that good things come to those who wait when it comes to kf5 upgrades :)
[11:34] <Mirv> but yes, qtbase/declarative-abi deps should be obtained automatically, and if not then it should be investigated. especially now that the symbols are more correct with 5.4.1.
[11:35] <Mirv> 5.4.1 marked some additional symbols as private and made some previously private symbols public (as that was not being tracked before), so it's interesting to see if there were any affected packages. I'd guess not.
[11:35] <Mirv> other than kwin got now free from it's abi deps
[11:37] <sitter> ^ that's going to return with kwin 5.3 ;)
[11:37] <sitter> only this morning I added qtbase-private to make the wayland part of kwin build again ;)
[11:50] <Riddell> hmm today's live CD doesn't want to boot into sddm at all :(
[11:50] <Riddell> maybe my change to the config file  for autologin in casper was wrong
[11:51] <stormchaser3000> ii always seem to have issues when using sddm
[11:51] <stormchaser3000> i*
[12:48] <lordievader> Riddell: The pesky bug where sddm is not enabled in Systemd?
[13:03] <Riddell> lordievader: no, today's bug is only on the live cd and login doesn't work
[13:03] <lordievader> Hmm :(
[13:06] <soee> why so sad :D thers no bug that can't be fixed
[13:52] <sitter> that plymouth issue
[13:53] <sitter> it almost looks like plymouth is starting during the upgrade rather than getting switched to
[13:54] <soee> bug when plymouth replaces screen ?
[13:55] <soee> *screen content
[13:55] <sitter> yeah
[13:56] <soee> is it even possible that it can start during upgrade ?
[13:56] <archetech> fresh update  needed to do the pymouth/sddm fix again
[13:57] <soee> what would trigger plymouth start
[13:57] <archetech> start button opens  cant use anything
[13:57] <soee> either some package or plymouth itselft when other package changes ?
[13:58] <archetech> running my apps from alt-f2 :(
[13:59] <soee> pro style :)
[14:08] <sitter> Riddell, yofel: sddm disabled has apparently to do with /etc/systemd/system/display-manager.service getting lost
[14:08] <sitter> or perhaps the file getting lost is a side effect of it
[14:14] <Riddell> sitter: ... interesting
[14:14] <Riddell> how is that set?
[14:15] <sitter> postinst of sddm
[14:15] <Mamarok> sitter: btw, why was Phonon 4.8 never pushed to backports PPA? I still only have 4.7.80 for 14.10
[14:15] <sitter> Riddell: you can install KCI iso from friday and do an upgrade
[14:15] <Mamarok> adn 4.8.2 is out since like 4 months
[14:15] <sitter> that has triggered the problem for me
[14:15] <sitter> Mamarok: fell under the table one could speculate
[14:16] <Mamarok> apparently so, indeed
[14:27] <Riddell> today's live cd does have display-manager.service but I guess that was a problem on upgrade
[14:33] <Riddell> subject: [ubuntu/vivid] kdelibs4support 5.8.0-0ubuntu1 (Accepted)
[14:33] <Riddell> sweet, kf 5.8 all in!
[14:34] <Riddell> hmm, or maybe not
[15:07] <Riddell> hmm, symbols from qt leaked through somehow? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/200647530/buildlog_ubuntu-vivid-amd64.kjsembed_5.8.0-0ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[15:08] <sitter> yes, retract
[15:08] <sitter> in fact
[15:08] <sitter> merge unstable it has the retraction arleady
[15:08] <sitter> actually
[15:08] <sitter> don't merge unstable, the symbol verision will be too high :P
[15:10] <Riddell> sitter: new releaseme script was nice and fast put half the tars missed random .po files, fortunately my new super awesome test suite detected that and I've fixed.  I guess it was due to flakey internet in the office this morning
[15:11] <Riddell> s/put/but/
[15:11] <kubotu> Riddell meant: "sitter: new releaseme script was nice and fast but half the tars missed random .po files, fortunately my new super awesome test suite detected that and I've fixed.  I guess it was due to flakey internet in the office this morning"
[15:11] <sitter> yeah flaky intertubes can do that
[15:12]  * sitter should reintroduce svn error handling again
[15:12] <Riddell> it got stuck a few times too and I had to kill svn processes
[15:12] <Riddell> weird as I'd think svn would have a timeout
[15:13] <sitter> odd enough
[15:13] <sitter> actually. I do have a branch with excessive logging to file somewhere
[15:14] <sitter> going to rebase that at some point, then you should get verbose logging of what is going on internally so we can take a look at things in case something went wrong
[15:15] <Riddell> shrug, I guess it's a problem with svn and it's no bother to just make 1 tar again
[15:17] <sitter> Riddell: as long as you trust your test suite enough :P
[15:17] <sitter> at any rate if there is a problem its very handy to know why things went wrong as ultimately we can do something about it in releaseme
[15:24] <Riddell> sitter: oh did you look at svn releaseme? I seem to remember it didn't work last time I tried it
[15:32] <sitter> Riddell: you didn't say anything
[15:32] <sitter> I think martin used it for the legacy ktp thing though
[15:32] <sitter> so surely you used it wrong :P
[15:39] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: ping
[16:06] <Riddell> community council catchup in an hour
[16:08] <ahoneybun> Riddell: thats just for council members right?
[16:13] <Riddell> ahoneybun: anyone
[16:13] <Riddell> in #ubuntu-meeting I guess
[16:14] <ahoneybun> I'll be there Riddell :)
[16:51] <Riddell> hmm khtml is failing on armhf
[16:52] <Riddell> sgclark: plasma 5.2.2 tars are up if you are at a lose end :)
[17:02] <sgclark> Riddell: sure thing, will be in a few though
[17:02] <Riddell> community council meeting in #ubuntu-meeting now
[17:19] <BluesKaj> Riddell, what's the complete command to re-enable sddm at boot again ?  sudo systemctl enable sddm....... ?
[17:19] <Riddell> systemctl enable sddm
[17:20] <ahoneybun> I had to run that command again after a update
[17:21] <Riddell> hmm, so maybe it's a general problem with sddm updates
[17:22] <BluesKaj> yeah, also adding network folders to places in dolphin doesn't work
[17:23] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: pong
[17:24] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: so the feature tour looks good then?
[17:25] <ovidiu-florin> it's awesome
[17:26] <ahoneybun> :)
[17:50]  * genii pays close attention in -meeting
[18:31] <ahoneybun> Riddell: http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/feature-tour/
[18:44] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: ping
[18:47] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: What's up?
[18:47] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: do you think you can tinker some more with that crawler script?
[18:47] <lordievader> Not now, messing with Zabbix.
[18:48] <ovidiu-florin> when ever you can
[18:48] <ovidiu-florin> just let me know if you can do that
[18:48] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Sure.
[18:50] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: the scope is to "Verify links and content from old site that are present in the new one."
[18:50] <ovidiu-florin> and "Make sure old (all) links still work (the links from within the site)"
[18:50] <ovidiu-florin> by that I mean the URLs available in the old site, to be available and valid for the new site
[18:51] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: I need a list of pages that don't work on the new site, but work on the old, so I can fix them
[18:51] <lordievader> Right.
[18:51] <lordievader> The problem kind of is that multiple pages can link to the same page. If you don't keep that in mind you might get stuck in a loop.
[18:52] <ovidiu-florin> that's why my script checked for duplicates
[18:52] <ahoneybun> Riddell: do you have a link to the work that sitter did at last year's akademy?
[18:52] <ovidiu-florin> I first tried it with a list, but that resulted in a stack overflow
[18:52] <ovidiu-florin> then I tried with files, but that wen't wrong, and I still don't know why
[18:52] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: tell me if you need a copy of my current script
[18:53]  * ovidiu-florin is going to be so lost at Akademy
[18:54] <Riddell> im not really here
[18:54] <Riddell> on my phone
[18:54] <Riddell> ahoneybun: what work?
[18:54] <ahoneybun> Riddell: there was some work with kubuntu and debian git merging
[18:55] <Riddell> ahoneybun: well all our packaging and kci
[18:56] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I heard that sitter got some work done with git and debian mixing
[18:56] <ahoneybun> Riddell: trying to get Ubuntu to see funding akademy will help Ubuntu as a whole
[18:56] <Riddell> ahoneybun: we agreed to use debian git
[18:57] <Riddell> we had a whole day for kubuntu and will do again
[18:58] <ahoneybun> we have to show Canoncial that it will benefit Ubuntu as well as Kubuntu to fund more people to go (me including)
[18:58] <Riddell> the money is donated for ubuntu community use
[18:59] <Riddell> thats us
[18:59] <ahoneybun> "so there's some question about how people attending Akademy benefits Ubuntu"
[18:59] <Riddell> we make its software?
[19:00] <ahoneybun> true
[19:01] <ahoneybun> even more true with the move to Qt
[19:01] <ahoneybun> qml
[19:01] <Riddell> whos asking that?
[19:01] <ahoneybun> I'm not sure
[19:02] <Riddell> how does working with upstream on our software help us is just not a question that should have to be asked
[19:03] <Riddell> but the same goes for claims that ubuntu packages cant be freely copied
[19:04] <Riddell> it just should not be a question that will harm ubuntu
[19:04] <ahoneybun> I saw that on the topic board
[19:17] <mhall119> Riddell: it was just the fact that we aren't familiar with Akademy, that is all
[19:18] <mhall119> I mean, we know of it, just not what it's like or what happens there
[19:20] <mhall119> 2/w 83
[19:22]  * BluesKaj wonders when pastebinit will be back, it's a pita without it
[19:29] <_Groo_> BluesKaj: ^ this... i want it too
[19:29] <mhall119> what happened to pastebinit?
[19:34] <BluesKaj> I downloaded it , but it doesn't launch
[19:35] <BluesKaj> and installed it of course
[19:37] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: have you seen Pawełs mail about the site?
[19:38] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: I believe he left feedback about
[19:38] <ahoneybun> *about it
[19:38] <ovidiu-florin> have you seen it?
[19:38] <ovidiu-florin> read it?
[19:38] <ahoneybun> I skimed it
[19:38] <ovidiu-florin> what do you think of his feedback?
[19:38] <ahoneybun> I need to go though it again
[19:39] <ahoneybun> I agree with the KTP icon
[19:39] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: doesn't it have a blue one?
[19:39] <ovidiu-florin> I know it has 4 icons, same but different colors
[19:40] <ahoneybun> I'll look now
[19:40] <ovidiu-florin> also I like the idea of different sections different colours
[19:41] <ahoneybun> I don't see a blue one
[19:41]  * ahoneybun found a beer icon XD
[19:43]  * ahoneybun reads about different colors
[19:46]  * ovidiu-florin reads about wordpress themes
[19:47] <yotux> think I found a bug with kde startup
[19:48] <yotux> how to I track which package it may effect?
[19:49] <ahoneybun> yotux: does your screen show "starting version 219" ?
[19:49] <yotux> I think thta is what it says,  I
[19:50] <ahoneybun> thats a sddm problem if it does say that
[19:50] <yotux> I can use the command startx using a virtual terminal and it loads kde.....
[19:51] <ahoneybun> yotux: the problem is that the login manager (sddm) is getting disabled
[19:51] <ahoneybun> for some reason
[19:51] <ovidiu-florin> jose: ping
[19:51] <ahoneybun> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sddm/+bug/1431332
[19:51] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: check out feature tour
[19:52] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: I don't see any change
[19:52] <ahoneybun> what the
[19:52] <ahoneybun> opps
[19:53] <ahoneybun> check now
[19:53] <yotux> I will not make a duplicate report thank you
[19:53] <ahoneybun> yotux: can you do something
[19:53] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: you broke the quoteblock
[19:53] <ahoneybun> I removed it ovidiu-florin
[19:53] <ovidiu-florin> I like the new icon
[19:53] <ahoneybun> :)
[19:53] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: why/?
[19:54] <ahoneybun> yotux: reboot your pc and drop to a console with ctrl+alt+f2
[19:54] <ahoneybun> and type "sudo systemctl enable sddm" then reboot
[19:54] <yotux> ahoneybun:  that is how I have been getting the GUI to start
[19:54] <ahoneybun> but not with startx
[19:54] <yotux> okay I will do that and see if it changes the outcome.
[19:55] <ahoneybun> thanks yotux
[19:55] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: the feedback
[19:55] <ahoneybun> just trying it ovidiu-florin for the moment
[19:55] <ovidiu-florin> if we don't change the background to different colors on each seciton, then removing the quoteblock, oly makes it worst
[19:59] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/community/
[20:00] <ahoneybun> is there a css that we have ovidiu-florin?
[20:01] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Do you have a link to the current script for me?
[20:02] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: I don't understand your question
[20:02] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: is there a css file for the page?
[20:03] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: https://paste.kde.org/plluwpwol
[20:03] <yotux> ahoneybun:  Using the command that you refenced has fixed the issue.  Also some of the shadowing when windows are open and closed has gone away
[20:03] <yotux> thank you
[20:03] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: specific for that file, no, just general throuout the site
[20:03] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: tell me what do you ant to do
[20:04] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: well we need css to color each section
[20:04] <ahoneybun> yotux: can you confirm here please https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sddm/+bug/1431332
[20:05] <ahoneybun> yotux: and np :)
[20:06] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: yes, but we need to fix the background with for each section
[20:06] <ovidiu-florin> and that requires some extra divs
[20:07] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: do you want to add them?
[20:08] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: not my speciality
[20:08] <ovidiu-florin> I'll add them then
[20:08] <ovidiu-florin> and set the CSS for them
[20:08] <ovidiu-florin> but I'm currently reading on how to fix the headers
[20:09] <ovidiu-florin> to get the featured image in there
[20:11] <ahoneybun> cool
[20:29] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Should links to wiki.k.o be included or filtered out?
[20:36] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: first prototype: http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/kde/kubuntu-shirts-are-back/
[20:36] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: also: http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/feature-tour/
[20:36] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: filtered out
[20:39] <ahoneybun> cool
[20:39] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Check.
[20:40] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: check as in check something out, or check as in roger that?
[20:41] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Check as in roger that ;)
[21:11] <ovidiu-florin> I'm off to bed
[21:11] <ovidiu-florin> we need some ideas on how to maek the featured image in the header look good
[21:11] <ovidiu-florin> I'll ask around
[21:11] <ovidiu-florin> good night
[21:20] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Do you know roughly how many links there are?
[21:51] <LeeJunFan> Setting of metric for wireless vs wired connections by default. Would that be knetworkmanager or Network Manager? Currently no metric is set in vivid and it causes machines with dual connections to lose connectivity.
[22:06] <billv> Howdy, I hope this is the right place for this.  Does anybody know what sort of protocol/mechanism apport uses to send it's messages?  The manual entry user-passwd combo I use for posting email won't work for apport, so I'm looking into a netcat wrapper, or other method, to get apport working.  Thanks.
[22:44] <murthy> "Add to places" in dolphin  doesn't work properly in kde 4.14.6
[23:01] <valorie> uh, why do I see ads in our feature tour?
[23:01] <valorie> http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/feature-tour/
[23:02] <KDDA> where do you see the ads?
[23:04] <valorie> at the top, next to the small images, on the right
[23:04] <valorie> in gray, in tiny letters far to the right: Ads by: MediaPlayer
[23:05] <KDDA> not seeing that
[23:05] <valorie> I'll screenshot it
[23:07] <valorie> http://imgur.com/qMrnpNc
[23:07] <valorie> this is in FF
[23:08] <valorie> I don't see them in chromium
[23:09] <KDDA> something must be injecting them
[23:09] <KDDA> not one mine
[23:09] <KDDA> on
[23:09] <valorie> aside from the ads, it is awesome
[23:09] <valorie> I wonder what I've left open in FF then
[23:10] <valorie> I see those same ads frequently, so it maybe is FF itself
[23:11] <KDDA> kinda worrying!
[23:13] <murthy> valorie: oh wow, the site looks awesome!
[23:13] <murthy> valorie: I dont see ads
[23:13] <KDDA> http://i.imgur.com/TAQ9db6.jpg
[23:15] <valorie> yes, that's how it looks in chromium
[23:16] <valorie> excellent work, ovidiu-florin and ahoneybun and everybody else who contributed
[23:16] <KDDA> valorie: thats how its supposed to look!
[23:16] <valorie> indeed
[23:16] <KDDA> something is injecting ads into your browser
[23:16] <KDDA> maybe an addon?
[23:17] <murthy> NSA?
[23:18] <KDDA> probably a mediaplayer
[23:18] <KDDA> adware
[23:20] <kfunk> the feature-tour page looks a bit broken on my 1024+ wide chromium window
[23:21] <kfunk> my opinion is to try to make sure the site looks fine on 1024x768 (minimum sensible desktop window size) at least
[23:26] <soee> Plasma 5.2.2 next week :)
[23:39] <murthy> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=345347
[23:52] <soee> let me check
[23:55] <soee> murthy: confirmed
[23:55] <murthy> thanks :)


[00:00] <valorie> I would never ask for that anywhere
[00:02] <k1l> not until someone drops a whole dmesg output into a channel :X
[00:03] <valorie> it's fine for #kubuntu and #kubuntu-devel, sure
[00:06] <bazhang> valorie I much favor Drone
[00:06] <bazhang> it is superb
[00:07] <valorie> not sure what that is
[00:07] <bazhang> Unit193, replacement btracker etc
[00:08] <bazhang> it's like the zombo.com of bots
[00:10] <Flannel> bazhang: No, it doesn't do bantracker stuff.
[00:12]  * rww looks up
[00:12] <k1l> i dont mind the name of the bot as long as it does what is needed :)
[00:13] <rww> #ubuntu-women has ubottu for historical reasons. I am opposed to changing that. #ubuntu-women-project doesn't have a bot because it was created during the "log all the things!"  TELL ME! TELL ME!
[20:11] <HFSPLUS> yo
[20:18] <elky> nooo waaa
[20:21] <HFSPLUS> nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[20:21] <HFSPLUS> thats my catch phrase
[20:22] <elky> yeah i'm moving things along
[20:22] <elky> you were here for whole minutes
[20:22] <rww> crapphrase
[20:24] <elky> so, clearly your attention is taken elsewhere at the moment, maybe now's not a good time for trolling here


[00:23] <oxymoron> Hi guys and girls, I wondering how do I call on Kickoff and/or Lancelot within Dbus or any similar protocol?
[00:30] <Riddell> oxymoron: qdbus org.kde.plasma-desktop /kickoff
[00:35] <oxymoron> Riddell: Thanks, do you know how to hide as well? :)
[00:35] <oxymoron> and maybe how it works for Lancelot?
[00:36] <Riddell> no idea
[00:37] <oxymoron> Riddell: Alright and one more thing, does that dbus command require plasma?
[00:38] <Riddell> well yes, since kickoff is part of plasma
[00:39] <oxymoron> Riddell: Does it work as a plasmoid? The reason I wonder is that I am trying to explain how it works for Cairo dock devs so they can implement app launchers in Cairo Dock :P
[00:39] <Riddell> yes it's a plasmoid
[00:41] <oxymoron> Riddell: Alright and then how do you change the x and y position where the plasmoid should be show when calling dbus command for Kickoff? :)
[00:42] <Riddell> oxymoron: I don't think you can
[00:43] <Riddell> oxymoron: you can use javascript as an init or upgrade script if you want to do that
[00:45] <oxymoron> Riddell: Its possible for Lancelot like doing like this: "qdbus org.kde.lancelot /MainApplication org.kde.lancelot.App.show 10 150"
[00:45] <oxymoron> x=10 and Y=150
[00:47] <oxymoron> http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=79931
[04:35] <nixternal> Great job everyone on Lucid, you all did a smashing job. Thus far feedback and comments are looking promising
[04:40] <claydoh> nixternal: I concur, it is early still but kubuntuforums is pretty quiet atm :)
[05:45] <ScottK> Tm_T: Did you get a chance to test the final powerpc ISOs?
[06:27] <ScottK> Nice.  Strigi decides to update it's index while I'm runnng a data analysis script on a 1.2GB data file.    Same code.
[06:41] <persia> Nice work :)
[06:51] <Daskreech> nixternal: ping
[07:09] <nixternal> Daskreech: pong
[07:29] <jussi> !grub
[09:29] <Tm_T> ScottK: will try, though having family party today
[09:29] <oxymoron> If I dont activate proprietary nvidia driver then I cannot activate desktop effects and use OpenGL for Cairo Dock (Required for transparency), but IF I do then plymouth resolution of logo and everything is going blurry and noisy, that didnt happen before when nouveau took care of my resolution and all. Why does this happen? :S
[09:32] <oxymoron> Tm_T: ? :$
[09:46] <oxymoron> This is weird, if I enable XRender instead of OpenGL everything works. But with OpenGL in system settings => desktop => advanced I cannot enable composite xD
[09:47] <Tm_T> errr,
[09:48] <Tm_T> err, how plymouth can be disabled? I'm bit lost
[09:50] <oxymoron> Tm_T: No, I dont want to disable plymouth.
[09:51] <Tm_T> oxymoron: I do
[09:51] <oxymoron> Tm_T: Aha okay :P
[09:52] <oxymoron> Tm_T: I dont know what happens if you just uninstall the packages, but if not you can change kernel settings to disable usplash or whatever it calls.
[10:06] <Tm_T> oxymoron: ye, got it now, plymouth package cannot be removed, it's part of whole boot process too tightly
[10:10] <Tm_T> lovely, so now that I disabled plymouth splash, I cannot see at all what fsck does, nor cannot still cancel it
[10:10] <Tm_T> sillyness
[10:12] <Tm_T> oh well...
[10:32] <Riddell> time to start maverick? :)
[10:46] <Riddell> oh no, 4.4.3 time
[10:46] <Tm_T> fun boot issues in u-devel
[11:10] <Riddell> archive servers seem to be running slowly for some reason today
[11:57] <Riddell> apachelogger, JontheEchidna, nixternal, seele bloggers of kubuntu go forth and big up 10.04 LTS!
[12:19]  * apachelogger was trying to fly with a skateboard like spyro the dragon, but crashed and got the ouchy now :'(
[12:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: cool
[12:20]  * Riddell wraps apachelogger up in bandages
[12:21] <apachelogger> http://imagebin.ca/view/htvnUTp.html
[12:22] <apachelogger> doesnt look that awful, but hurts like a monster :(
[12:25]  * Riddell scared to look
[12:27] <apachelogger> hehe
[12:31] <Riddell> bit of Savlon, big sticking plaster and a nice hot chocolate you'll be as good as new
[12:32] <apachelogger> if only I had such fancy stuff, usually I avoid almost killing myself ;)
[12:32]  * apachelogger could go out for ice cream though
[12:32] <apachelogger> kubotu: weather graz, austria
[12:33] <kubotu> Weather info for Graz, Austria (updated on 1:20 PM CEST on April 30, 2010); Temperature: 81 F / 27 C; Humidity: 26%; Dew Point: 43 F / 6 C; Wind: SSW at 4 mph / 6 km/h; Pressure: 29.89 in / 1012 hPa (Steady); Conditions: Clear; Yesterday's Heating Degree Days: 7 approx.; Sunrise: 5:44 AM CEST; Sunset: 8:07 PM CEST; Moon Rise: 10:55 PM CEST; Moon Set: 6:24 AM CEST; Moon Phase: Waning Gibbous
[12:33] <apachelogger> there, insanely hot
[12:34] <nookie^> apachelogger: u're from graz? i will come there to see that town in 2 months =)
[12:35]  * apachelogger never understood why tourists would come to graz ;)
[12:35] <apachelogger> nookie^: make sure to give me a poke, we can grab ice cream or something :)
[12:36] <nookie^> apachelogger: sure! it's a deal :)
[12:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, did you try increasing the akonadi startup timeout?
[12:41] <Riddell> oh jings I started that but didn't finish
[12:41] <Riddell> only had a netbook and it takes a long time to compile
[12:41] <Riddell> let me try again
[12:43] <shadeslayer> Good work on the release page :D
[12:51] <shadeslayer> so when do we start on maverick?
[12:52] <Riddell> 4.4.3 first
[12:52] <Riddell> although I'm working on kdevelop now
[12:54] <shadeslayer> hehe :)
[13:55] <ghostcube> small fun
[13:55] <ghostcube> http://www.isnichwahr.de/r93669906-smart-phone-domino.html
[14:02] <rgreening> !ninjas
[14:02] <rgreening> KDE 4.4.3 needs packaging
[14:02] <rgreening> :)
[14:03] <Riddell> ~ninjas
[14:03] <kubotu> apachelogger, JontheEchidna, Lex79, neversfelde, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, nixternal and Quintasan ... to the Batcave!
[14:04] <Riddell> rgreening: want to do the honours and clean up https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging ?
[14:06]  * Riddell uploads kdevelop 4.0.0 to ppa backports
[14:06] <Riddell> am tempted to upload to real backports too
[14:08]  * ScottK is travelling today, so won't be much help on packaging.
[14:08] <JontheEchidna> The way I see it, new packages in -backports can't hurt anything
[14:09] <ScottK> Absolutely.
[14:09] <Riddell> I shall make it sew
[14:11] <ScottK> Riddell: For kdevelop I think waiving the "must be in the development release first" rule is reasonable.
[14:19] <JontheEchidna> Do we have anything in the specs regarding standalone QtWebKit ?
[14:20] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: we have a qt packaging review spec for our special guest stars Thiago and Jorgen from Qt
[14:21] <JontheEchidna> ooh, celebs at UDS
[14:21] <ScottK> Riddell: We should probably try to get fabo to particpate remotely in that one.
[14:23] <JontheEchidna> batcave wiki cleared out
[14:25] <seele> are the upgrade serves bogged down? i've failed getting packages for upgrade twice now :(
[14:25] <Riddell> quite probable
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> Not uncommon for the few days after release. You might be able to find a mirror that isn't too shabby.
[14:27] <JontheEchidna> In fact, I believe the "select best server" feature in the software sources editor works this release, thanks to amichair :)
[14:27] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: what does "Upload to kubuntu-s with ~ppa1 " mean?
[14:27] <JontheEchidna> oops, that's a result of overaggressive text replacement in kate ;)
[14:28] <JontheEchidna> should be kubuntu-ninjas
[14:28] <JontheEchidna> and I'd edit it, but the wiki is being slow
[14:29] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I don't think we want to package it for karmic, so I'd remove that section
[14:29] <JontheEchidna> ok
[14:29] <JontheEchidna> though we don't really have anything to do for maverick yet, so it'd wouldn't be in the way
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> but I do suppose we want people to upgrade to 10.04 LTS ;-)
[14:30] <Riddell> or call it "optional"
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> sounds good
[14:34] <JontheEchidna> My dad's office has pretty good pipes: 525.7KB/s
[14:36] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: just what our torrents need
[15:20] <Riddell> apachelogger, Nightrose: who's Robert Frießleben and do I want to be his friend?
[15:21] <Nightrose> Riddell: kubuntu.de guy iirc
[15:23] <Riddell> Nightrose: how about David Watson  ?
[15:23] <Riddell> no wrong one
[15:23] <Nightrose> don't think i've heard of him
[15:23] <Riddell> Nightrose: how about Leonardo Finetti ?
[15:23] <Nightrose> kde bugs guy
[15:23] <Nightrose> finex is his nick
[15:23] <Nightrose> not seen him around lately though
[16:08] <kieren> Hey, I've installed Kubuntu 10.04 and it seems that QGraphicsScenes no longer work in QT/C++
[16:09] <kieren> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/G2UcS8u0
[16:09] <kieren> There is some code
[16:10] <kieren> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/6if9d77b
[16:10] <kieren> That's the error message
[16:12] <JontheEchidna> That error message is unrelated to your problems, and should be fairly harmless.
[16:13] <kieren> The QGraphicsScene is created but the error message wasn't there in Kubuntu 09.10
[16:13] <JontheEchidna> basically it's looking for the ibus input method (used to insert characters of other languges) but isn't finding it since you presumably don't have a need for ibus
[16:17] <kieren> Okay, thanks
[16:18] <JontheEchidna> a bit annoying that it has to give that message, but should be harmless otherwise
[16:19] <kieren> Yeah, if I install ibus-daemon and run it the error message doesn't appear
[16:40] <Riddell> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdereview/bluedevil/  new KDE bluetooth bits
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> neat
[16:42] <JontheEchidna> lots of cool things are cooking in kde playground
[16:42] <JontheEchidna> print-manager, libqapt and now bluedevil
[16:58] <nixternal> Riddell: I was going to wait on the blog post originally, try to get it so we have at least 1 Kubuntu release post on the planet, but I was just thinking, if we flood the planet, ooh that would be fun :)
[16:58] <nixternal> I will work up a post today on it, that way there I get it on p.u.c and pk.o
[17:02]  * JontheEchidna goes off camping for the weekend
[17:02] <nixternal> was gonna tell him to have fun...camping sounds fun
[18:04] <rgreening> I luv working on Kubuntu... we get a new Lucid followed by an immediate upgrade for KDE :) haha
[18:05] <rgreening> and this time we should be able to put in proper updates archive and not use PPA's!
[18:05]  * rgreening assumes
[18:17]  * rgreening thinks Riddell needs to remember to update bzr :)
[18:17]  * rgreening pokes him
[18:17] <rgreening> :)
[18:18] <rgreening> Riddell: do you have an uncommitted bzr for kdebase-workspace sitting on your system? Seems version 14 was pushed but not in bzr
[18:25] <nixternal> is it me, or is the 'kubuntu 10.04 lts...is here!' image on the homepage look really blurry?
[18:30] <rgreening> nixternal: it's got a shadowed/fuzzy edge for sure.
[18:31] <rgreening> nixternal: almost like the ink is bleeding through paper
[18:33] <nixternal> yeah, i can't look at it for long, my eyes start to cross :)
[18:35] <rgreening> maybe its in Real3D, and you need the glasses nixternal.
[18:41] <oxymoron> Could someone explain to me why I got error message outputs in Konsole while I am using it? :S I got messages like this: "Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-oxymoron" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0." and "/usr/bin/dolphin(11568)" Error in thread<PHONE_NUMBER>96912 : "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown - The name org.kde.nepomuk.services.nepomukstorage was not provided by any .service files"
[18:41] <nixternal> i have those glasses too...my dad was at NAB 2 weeks ago and brought back a few pair
[18:42] <nixternal> oxymoron: did you fire off an app from within konsole?
[18:42] <oxymoron> nixternal: Nope
[18:43] <nixternal> hrmm...you just started konsole from the menu or alt+f2 and it does that?
[18:43] <oxymoron> nixternal: Yes :S
[18:43] <nixternal> wow, that is a weird deal...
[18:43]  * nixternal fires up konsole
[18:43] <oxymoron> nixternal: Its really annoying because it just output a lot of text randomly while I am using the terminal myself :S
[18:44] <nixternal> I use Yakuake all of the time, which is just Konsole, but a quake style terminal emulator version of it
[18:44] <oxymoron> nixternal: Another weird and freaking weird thing is that not even apache2 works with permissions anymore. It seems all permissions got **************** up when changed /home to another partition :S
[18:44] <nixternal> does it happen every time? does it happen when you first start it up, or do you have to use it for a while
[18:44] <oxymoron> nixternal: It happens randomly
[18:45] <nixternal> hrmm
[18:45] <oxymoron> # /home was on /dev/sda2 during installation
[18:45] <oxymoron> UUID=ec515c21-a2be-4823-b861-1149f086a13f /home           ext4    defaults        0       2
[18:45] <oxymoron> Thats from fstab, is it correct?
[18:46] <oxymoron> nixternal: I must say I really hate permissions in Linux because they NEVER work as I want them.
[18:46] <nixternal> ok then...the odd thing is the whole thing about dolphin...but if you are doing something, and say something is triggered in your ~/.bashrc and it isn't able to execute it and has an error, it does let you know, and in this case it is definitely file permission issue..which I guess you say might have happened when changing /home to another partition...as for the dolphin and nepomuk messages..i have no clue why those would be in there
[18:47] <nixternal> UUID=cb114d5f-7db3-4064-b2a9-020423d37bc6 /home           ext4    defaults        0       2
[18:47] <nixternal> yeah, looks like mine too
[18:47] <oxymoron> alright, goodie then its not anything with fstab or so.
[18:47] <oxymoron> And yes perimission issue thats for sure.
[18:48] <nixternal> hwo did you go about moving /home to another partition?
[18:48] <oxymoron> nixternal: I choosed /home with a clean isntall of Kubuntu 10.04, so didnt move it.
[18:49] <oxymoron> nixternal: Something with groups or user permissions error, what permissions should / home have?
[18:50] <nixternal> drwxr-xr-x   5 root root  4096 2010-03-10 13:44 home
[18:50] <oxymoron>    ---- /home is owned by me apparently, but hsouldnt it be userID 0 (root user)? :P
[18:50] <oxymoron> nixternal: Alright, how do I change /home to root:root?
[18:50] <neversfelde> do we package 4.4.3 in bzr?
[18:50] <nixternal> drwx------ 71 nixternal nixternal 12288 2010-04-30 12:50 nixternal
[18:51] <oxymoron> nixternal: What command to check that btw?
[18:51] <nixternal> ls -l /
[18:51] <nixternal> for home
[18:51] <nixternal> and
[18:51] <nixternal> ls -l /home/
[18:51] <nixternal> to see for your user directory
[18:51] <oxymoron> nixternal: Hmm: "drwxr-xr-x   5 oxymoron oxymoron  4096 2010-04-29 22:19 home"
[18:51] <oxymoron> drwx------ 37 oxymoron oxymoron 12288 2010-04-30 19:10 oxymoron
[18:52] <nixternal> ls -l /tmp
[18:52] <nixternal> drwx------ 10 nixternal nixternal 4096 2010-04-30 02:33 kdecache-nixternal
[18:52] <oxymoron> nixternal: I am not sure but I think I might changed group for /home folder to myself before, but how to change back? :P
[18:53] <nixternal> chown root:root /home
[18:53] <nixternal> sudo chown root:root /home
[18:53] <nixternal> can't forget that sudo :)
[18:53] <oxymoron> Hehe i forgot it to when doing the command xD
[18:53] <nixternal> though, I don't think that is all that important, but I am not 110% positive on that...when you create users anyways, you use elevated priviledges, so it doesn't matter, I would think, who owns /home
[18:54] <nixternal> is kdecache-oxymoron owned by you in /tmp?
[18:55] <oxymoron> drwx------ 9 oxymoron oxymoron 4096 2010-04-30 19:55 kdecache-oxymoron
[18:56] <oxymoron> and in /var/tmp I presume :P
[18:56] <nixternal> err
[18:56] <nixternal> yeah, my mistake there
[18:56] <oxymoron> nixternal: This is freaking annoying, whats left to try? :S
[18:58] <nixternal> dunno, you might want to hop into either #kubuntu or #ubuntu...i think you might get better answers from someone in #ubuntu though concerning the file permission stuff...i haven't done much sys admin stuff in more than 10 years, so without googling left and right, i feel i am a bit useless here
[18:59] <oxymoron> nixternal: They never answer in #kubuntu anyway :P But I think I have correct permissions now, but still doesnt work :S
[19:00] <nixternal> type this in konsole
[19:00] <nixternal> id
[19:00] <nixternal> what does it say?
[19:01] <oxymoron> nixternal: "uid=1000(oxymoron) gid=1000(oxymoron) grupper=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),46(plugdev),105(lpadmin),115(admin),116(sambashare),1000(oxymoron)"
[19:01] <nixternal> ok, that is correct
[19:01] <nixternal> you aren't starting konsole like:
[19:01] <nixternal> sudo konsole
[19:01] <nixternal> are you?
[19:01] <oxymoron> nixternal: Nope
[19:01] <nixternal> or: sudo dolphin
[19:01] <oxymoron> sudo dolphin one time earlier.
[19:02] <nixternal> muhahaha
[19:02] <nixternal> don't use sudo with GUI apps
[19:02] <nixternal> use kdesudo
[19:02] <oxymoron> why so? :P
[19:03] <nixternal> I don't know the entire reasoning behind it, but i know that is how it is supposed to be
[19:03] <oxymoron> Hmm nobody answer in ubuntu either, its pure anarchy chaos in there :D
[19:04] <oxymoron> I try to reboot computer, helps sometimes in hard times .D
[19:04]  * oxymoron is brb
[19:23] <maco> nixternal: why is because of things like your .kde getting screwed up permissions if you use sudo but not if you use kdesudo
[19:39] <nixternal> maco: don't know the answer to that 100%...I don't ever fire off apps with kdesudo...i used to know back in the dapper days when we were dealing with kdesudo vs. kdesu
[20:00] <rgreening> kdesudo can set proper env vars that sudo does not export.
[20:01] <rgreening> without the export, you get screwed up files/permissions in your home dir
[20:38] <maco> nixternal: i was giving you the "why" :P i wasnt asking a question
[20:38] <maco> nixternal: cuz you said you didnt know why kdesudo was better
[21:09] <neversfelde> rgreening_: kdebase-workspace failed to build
[22:02] <neversfelde> rgreening_: sorry, was a bit confused, no problem there :)
[22:06]  * neversfelde just realized that there is a difference between kdepimlibs and kdepim-runtime
[22:06] <neversfelde> not my day, it seems
[23:52] <neversfelde> rgreening_: now it really failed :)
[23:53]  * neversfelde is a visionary
[23:55] <yuriy> ooh it's out
[23:55] <yuriy> congratulations everyone


[00:02] <johnc4510> wb
[00:08] <akgraner> johnc4510, now I think I might have to try it again
[00:09] <johnc4510> :)
[00:09] <johnc4510> it surprised me
[00:10] <johnc4510> set up and controls are a little different but nothing you can't pick up right off
[00:12] <johnc4510> ok, gotta run...later all
[00:12] <akgraner> laters
[01:19]  * nhandler can't find the purpose in using such a client when he always has a web browser open
[18:17] <joey> akgraner: so I had this thought this morning
[18:18] <joey> akgraner: or more like I remembered something I didn't tell you
[18:18] <akgraner> hehe
[18:18] <akgraner> joey, I'm all ears - shoot
[18:18] <joey> akgraner: The original intent of the Fridge, after some thinking by me, was NOT to be simply a news source.
[18:19] <akgraner> I only started my googledoc yesterday to get the blueprint and wiki info organized
[18:19] <joey> akgraner: it was really designed to be an information radiator.   http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?InformationRadiator
[18:20]  * akgraner reads
[18:20] <joey> akgraner: here's a picture  http://theagileexecutive.com/2010/03/15/how-to-construct-a-great-information-radiator/
[18:21] <joey> akgraner: but because back in 2005 that was new thinking, I can only assume it was easier to just create a news hub
[18:23] <joey> anyway, that's what I'd offer up as "Fridge v2"
[18:23] <akgraner> joey, cool.. I'll process this information in just a few and tweak roadmap wiki and blueprint
[18:24] <akgraner> and drop the links here and the mailing list :-)
[18:27] <joey> akgraner: doing it on wordpress might be tricky but some ideas:  a ticker that scans twitter & identi.ca for #ubuntu posts.   a ticker that shows upcoming meetings in #ubuntu-meetings or similar
[18:27] <joey> akgraner: a release countdown timer...   in fact, a countdown timer for all alphas and betas
[18:28] <joey> akgraner: a security exposure ticker or notice
[18:28] <akgraner> joey, hehe your todo list is growing ....
[18:28] <akgraner> :-D
[18:28] <akgraner> those are cool ideas
[18:28] <akgraner> did I mention how much I <3 wordpress
[18:29] <joey> brainstorming is free :-)
[18:35] <akgraner> that is true
[18:46] <joey> akgraner: super, the Fridge's WP Lucid theme will be done ..... tomorrow ;-)
[18:49] <akgraner> sweet!!!!
[18:51] <akgraner> happy dance \o/
[19:25] <joey> akgraner: what's date for UWN 200
[19:25] <joey> seems the date is in flux for the fridge migration now
[19:25] <akgraner> July 4th iirc
[19:25] <akgraner> one sec let me look at my calendar
[19:27] <akgraner> yep last week was 188 so counting forward the weekend of July 4th will be the 200th edition
[19:28] <joey> k
[19:44] <joey> akgraner:  idea.  WP version of Fridge = Fridge 2.0      Information radiator version of the fridge, if we can do it, 3.0  :-)
[19:49] <akgraner> hmm - maybe we should just slap up a poll for both teams to vote on
[19:52] <akgraner> I like information radiator  - Ubuntu IR 2.0 or something cool


[00:21] <freeflying> bigjools: no worries, after a accidental reboot, CNAME were added :)
[00:21] <bigjools> freeflying: ummm ok!
[18:05] <burnbrighter> I am running in to juju status/deployment issues: "Unhandled Error" to do TimeoutError - 2013-08-01 11:00:42,020 ERROR Unexpected TimeoutError interacting with provider: User timeout caused connection failure.
[18:08] <burnbrighter> Is this fixed in ppa:juju/pkgs?  I am using the straight installation from standard repositories.  Any suggestions on how to handle this?
[18:09] <burnbrighter> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5937257/
[18:13] <burnbrighter> juju version: Version: 0.5+bzr531-0ubuntu1.3
[19:14] <burnbrighter> Nevermind - I figured out my problem.  This was Precise Penguin and required the port (:80) to work


[13:44] <elky> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-women/2010-August/002979.html
[13:49] <AlanBell> add a few developer/technical dots
[13:51] <AlanBell> the fluid layout is very nice, would put the ubuntu beta font in the font family (hope they change that before release)
[13:52] <elky> AlanBell, psst, bzr.
[13:53] <AlanBell> oh, that means "it is a wiki" in bzr does it!
[13:53] <nigelb> elky: Nice :)
[13:53] <elky> I thought the dots represted the cloud servery stuff
[13:54] <nigelb> I wonder if a dotted background would look better
[13:54] <elky> And if you dare make the content font fancy I will strike you down with my glare of death
[13:54] <AlanBell> there are now two types of dots, the tight spaced ones are for technical/developer type stuff, and the wide spaced ones are Enterprise/cloud stuff
[13:54] <elky> nigelb, behind the text? ohgodno.
[13:55] <nigelb> elky: only the orange ones
[13:55] <AlanBell> just a few dots somewhere, not too much
[13:56] <nigelb> also, fluid <3
[13:56] <elky> yeah, the footer is better on bigger screens
[13:56] <AlanBell> 2048x1152 ftw
[13:57] <nigelb> 1024x768 is the new small.  Sigh.
[13:57] <elky> 1280 the logo is visibly towards the edge
[13:58] <AlanBell> woah, just hovered over the menu on the right!
[13:58] <nigelb> ok, wow
[13:58] <AlanBell> maybe dots behind the right sidebar would work
[13:58] <nigelb> elky: ftr, you ROCK!
[14:00] <elky> the purple makes me think of poniez
[14:01]  * AlanBell wonders about turning that into a moin wiki theme
[14:01] <elky> AlanBell, that would be useful.
[14:01] <elky> if you can stand moin long enough to do it, of course
[14:02] <nigelb> heh
[14:02] <AlanBell> too much on my plate right now, but I can't see anything in it which wouldn't work
[14:02] <nigelb> AlanBell: a new branch would be a good idea :)
[14:02] <nigelb> that way you can ask for help too
[14:02] <akgraner> elky, I am loving it - wish I had your skilz
[14:03] <elky> akgraner, you do, they're just hidden :P
[14:03]  * nigelb agrees with that.
[14:03] <akgraner> ok well if we all make it to UDS y'all gotta help me connect those dots :-P  (pun intended)
[14:04] <elky> you betcha
[14:04] <nigelb> oh, YES!
[14:05] <nigelb> whatever happened to the irc chair training that AlanBell and I sugguested...
[14:09] <elky> AlanBell, you could probably manage a ribbon of dots in the middle of the header bar too.
[14:11] <AlanBell> yup, just something somewhere, don't want it to be a "no technical stuff here" thing
[14:12] <akgraner> hehehe
[14:12] <akgraner> and what's wrong with  - I ain't technical stuff :-P (just teasing)
[14:13] <akgraner> Oh I am so getting that put on a t-shirt
[14:15] <elky> AlanBell, if you're mucking in, let me know where to avoid touching
[14:17] <AlanBell> no, not mucking in today (maybe later)
[14:17] <elky> ah ok
[14:18] <elky> also, I'm struggling to find the hex code for the aubergine so I can make sure we're not being too naughty
[14:18]  * nigelb points elky to http://www.colorpicker.com/ helpfully
[14:20] <elky> nigelb, apt-get install grabc actually :P
[14:21] <nigelb> elky: GAH! /me installs too
[14:21] <nigelb> wiki has some good stuff about colors http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red-violet
[14:22] <elky> #48182d
[14:23] <elky> although, the orange on the same page isn't the same as ours...
[14:23] <elky> I /like/ our purple :P
[14:23] <nigelb> :D
[14:24] <elky> stuff it, if our orange is different too, i'm not going to go changing that purple
[14:24]  * elky is bad.
[14:25] <nigelb> s/bad/evil
[14:26] <elky> s/evil/apocalyptic/
[14:26] <AlanBell> there are 4 different official shades of aubergine
[14:26] <elky> AlanBell, palette plzkthx
[14:27] <AlanBell> http://design.canonical.com/brand/Tools/colour_palettes/gimp_palettes.zip
[14:29] <elky> our orange isn't listed in those palettes
[14:29] <elky> wait i lie
[14:29] <elky> there it is.
[14:30] <nigelb> so, our orange is on the official pallate too?
[14:30] <elky> the aubergine in those docs however, isn't
[14:30] <elky> yes
[14:35] <elky> We were not far off really
[14:36] <AlanBell> I got the dots the wrong way round (or they have changed which wouldn't surprise me either)
[14:36] <elky> the docs seem to conflict in some parts
[14:37] <elky> unless I'm looking at old ones
[14:37] <AlanBell> yup, there are conflicts
[14:37] <elky> i'm seeing 3 kinds of dots in one doc
[14:37] <AlanBell> and the colour specifications are all over the place, avoid the CMYK stuff it is nowhere near the RGB spec
[14:38] <elky> but only 2 described
[14:39] <elky> We're supposed to use 6mm spaced dots
[14:40] <AlanBell> yeah, they seem to be thinking in paper
[14:41] <elky> of course they are
[14:41] <elky> it's the proportion that matters
[14:41] <elky> s/mm/px/ and you get the same look
[14:41]  * AlanBell draws a dot 0.7 px diameter
[14:43] <elky> vector baby, vector
[15:16] <elky> AlanBell, nigelb now?
[15:18] <elky> actually sec
[15:22] <elky> thar
[15:35] <nigelb> elky: perfect :)
[15:36] <elky> \o/
[16:32] <AlanBell> nigelb: there are actually 619 members now, launchpad can't count
[16:33] <nigelb> AlanBell: wow
[16:36] <AlanBell> 7 new this month
[16:36] <AlanBell> 29 women in total
[16:41] <AlanBell> 4.68%
[16:41] <AlanBell> chart updated
[17:05] <AlanBell> team report updated
[17:08] <pleia2> akgraner: unfortunately mentoring marketing has to wait until our docs are done :( sorry about that, trying to get to it this week..
[17:08] <akgraner> no worries  - I am buried myself
[17:09] <akgraner> I can do a basic marketing plan then we can fill in some details on a per topic basis
[17:09] <akgraner> will that work?
[17:11] <AlanBell> elky: present from doctormo http://imagebin.ca/view/JMmmIgZ.html
[17:40] <czajkowski> if anyone in in an approved team can you spread the word with http://www.lczajkowski.com/2010/08/31/loco-team-banners-for-approved-teams/  thanks
[22:35] <valorie> elky, I *love* the mockup!
[22:38] <AlanBell> making it into a moin wiki theme is slightly painful, but actually doable
[23:10] <AlanBell> this is beginning to come together
[23:19] <AlanBell> ok, with a bit of tinkering with my firewall I think I can let you see my laptop
[23:19] <AlanBell> http://libertus.co.uk:88/ does that work?
[23:20] <valorie> It works!
[23:20] <valorie> This is the default web page for this server.
[23:20] <valorie> The web server software is running but no content has been added, yet.
[23:20] <AlanBell> great
[23:20] <AlanBell> http://libertus.co.uk:88/uw try that
[23:21] <valorie> nice!
[23:21] <valorie> LinkText works
[23:23] <AlanBell> it is a wiki so feel free to edit stuff
[23:24] <AlanBell> the bit on the right is this page http://libertus.co.uk:88/uw/Header
[23:25] <AlanBell> so the navigation thing and all the links are wiki editable
[23:25] <valorie> that's wonderful!
[23:26] <AlanBell> obviously plenty more to do, but as a proof of concept I think it works
[23:26] <AlanBell> (the concept being that a non-wiki splash page is not required)
[23:27] <valorie> I get it
[23:27] <valorie> as long as some of the main pages are locked
[23:27] <AlanBell> yes, that can be done
[23:27] <AlanBell> there are access control lists which are really simple (they are just pages with a list of people)
[23:27] <valorie> right
[23:28] <valorie> there was some skepticism about having a static splash
[23:28] <valorie> so if it can be part of the wiki and function the same
[23:28] <valorie> it's all good
[23:29] <valorie> IMO
[23:37] <akgraner> Grrrr - so I waited to late to get tickets to Grace Hopper b/c I was trying to work out Open World Forum - but I volunteered to work the Free Software booth maybe I can still help out with it  - sigh!


[00:01] <lwh_> I am trying to use OnlineAccounts to access Google Drive. Gnome is no longer available. I tried installing online-accounts, but is crashes when starting gnome-control-center. What is the correct way to get online-accounts
[00:04] <lwh_> Using 18.10
[00:04] <studio-user036> Hoi
[00:05] <studio-user036> I need some help.
[00:05] <studio-user036> qjackctl gives me this Could not connect to JACK server as client. - Overall operation failed. - Server communication error. Please check the messages window for more info. Cannot read socket fd = 27 err = Success CheckRes error JackSocketClientChannel read fail Cannot open qjackctl client JackShmReadWritePtr1::~JackShmReadWritePtr1 - Init not done for -1, skipping unlock JackShmReadWritePtr::~JackShmReadWritePtr - Ini
[08:35] <studio-user_Fabi> Hi, I'm new to Ubuntu Studio and I need some help. I already read the documentation but I could not get my audio interface to work. I bought the Audient ID44 which is an USB 2 class compliant interface. I can hear the desktop sounds through the headphone monitor outputs of the interface but when I try to set up Jack and Guitarix I cant hear my guitar. There are no error messages from Jack or Guitarix.
[18:26] <studio-user_Fabi> Hi, I'm new to Ubuntu studio. Can somebody help me with setting up my audio interface? Already tried the methods in the documentation but still doesn't work. Thanks
[18:44] <user851> :)


[02:04] <Leroy91> I'm trying to get my machine to go into standby and wake up on it's own at certain times, which I can do with a simple bash script on a cron job but I'm wondering (since I'm running an enterprise level server) if anyone has been able to reduce fan speed during standby time
[02:04] <Leroy91> The BIOS has no settings available to change fan speed
[02:04] <Leroy91> it's an IBM xServe 346 running 12.04
[02:06] <sarnold> Leroy91: check /sys/ for '*fan*' files, there are sometimes fan controls in there..
[02:09] <Leroy91> i'm only seen block, class, devices, fs, kernel, power, bus, dev, firmware, hypervisor, and module
[02:09] <Leroy91> doing find fan and locate fan also did not come up with results
[02:10] <sarnold> Leroy91: hrm. I wonder if the fan controls I have on my laptop came from a kernel module that lm-sensors enabled; have you run sensors-detect on this machine? maybe there's a kernel module to load..
[02:12] <Leroy91> installed and rebooting now...RAID array takes at least 5min to initialize haha
[02:15] <Leroy91> ok i've run sensors-detect...it says No modules to load :/
[02:15] <sarnold> darn :/
[02:16] <Leroy91> Driver `to-be-written':
[02:16] <Leroy91>   * ISA bus, address 0xca8
[02:16] <Leroy91>     Chip `IPMI BMC KCS' (confidence: 8)
[02:16] <Leroy91> Note: there is no driver for IPMI BMC KCS yet.
[02:16] <Leroy91> Check http://www.lm-sensors.org/wiki/Devices for updates.
[02:16] <Leroy91> No modules to load, skipping modules configuration.
[02:16] <Leroy91> Unloading i2c-dev... OK
[02:16] <Leroy91> Unloading i2c-i801... OK
[02:16] <Leroy91> Unloading cpuid... OK
[02:16] <xIlluzionx> Hello
[02:17] <Leroy91> I find it hard to believe IBM would not have better linux support on such a server...even if it is from 2005
[02:17] <xIlluzionx> I am looking for some assistance with boot issues after a 13.10 server installation
[02:17] <Leroy91> what did you try installing it on?
[02:19] <xIlluzionx> Intel® Core™ i5-3570K Processor, Gigabyte Intel Z77 LGA 1155 Motherboard
[02:19] <xIlluzionx> On it's own dedicated SSD
[02:19] <Leroy91> have you enabled AHCI in your BIOS?
[02:20] <xIlluzionx> I can check
[02:20] <xIlluzionx> Sata mode is set to AHCI
[02:21] <Leroy91> is it a fresh install?
[02:21] <xIlluzionx> Yes, this is my first time using Linux
[02:21] <xIlluzionx> I allowed the install to use the full disk
[02:22] <Leroy91> any other OS on the machine?
[02:22] <Leroy91> maybe another hDD?
[02:22] <xIlluzionx> only one HDD in the machine
[02:22] <Leroy91> hm
[02:22] <Leroy91> is it necessary you use 13.10?
[02:22] <xIlluzionx> I can get the boot to show the GRUB loaded
[02:22] <xIlluzionx> I tried 12.X but it kept rebooting in the middle of the installation
[02:23] <Leroy91> have you tried 13.04?
[02:23] <xIlluzionx> Would there be anything useful at the command screen, I can pull that up through the GRUB selector
[02:23] <xIlluzionx> no
[02:24] <Leroy91> oh so yo ucan get to terminal window ok?
[02:24] <xIlluzionx> If I hit "c" at the grub loader screen
[02:24] <Leroy91> try the command: startx
[02:24] <Leroy91> ah..wait this is server OS right?
[02:25] <xIlluzionx> if I select "Ubuntu" from the loader screen, it gets to the terminal and then reboots
[02:25] <xIlluzionx> yes
[02:25] <xIlluzionx> cannot find command startx
[02:25] <Leroy91> yeah theres no gui for server, you should only see terminal when it boots
[02:25] <xIlluzionx> yes, but it reboots once it gets to the terminal
[02:25] <Leroy91> i see
[02:25] <sarnold> xIlluzionx: hrm, I'm confused.. do you get a <servername> login: prompt?
[02:26] <xIlluzionx> I get to there, and then a reboot
[02:26] <xIlluzionx> before I can type
[02:26] <sarnold> *boggle*
[02:26] <Leroy91> try 13.04...it may be more stable
[02:26] <xIlluzionx> I can access a command screen by pressing "c" during the boot
[02:27] <sarnold> xIlluzionx: try adding "single" to the kernel command line in grub (I think that's the 'c' you used earlier) -- maybe you can find out what is going on by checking the logs in /var/log/  ...
[02:27] <sarnold> 'single' will skip nearly everything, it ought to just mount your root filesystem and then drop you to a shell.
[02:28] <xIlluzionx> what is a file viewer, i'm use to "less" on mac
[02:28] <xIlluzionx> doesnt work here
[02:28] <xIlluzionx> I can look at boot.log
[02:28] <Leroy91> i had a similar issue a few years ago when i tried to install 11.x on a machine that was P4 error and only 10.04 was supported on that version of the P4 cpu...haven't heard of the issue on a modern machine
[02:28] <Leroy91> it's ls
[02:29] <sarnold> xIlluzionx: 'less' is nice, it lets you backup; but 'more' also works, and might be available if 'less' isn't.
[02:29] <Leroy91> *era..
[02:29] <xIlluzionx> grub cannot find command more
[02:29] <xIlluzionx> trying to do "less /var/log/boot.log"
[02:29] <sarnold> xIlluzionx: ah, yeah, grub won't do that.
[02:30] <xIlluzionx> vi does not work either
[02:30] <sarnold> xIlluzionx: maybe I jumped the gun -- edit hte kernel command line to add 'single' to the command, and then proceed with the boot...
[02:30] <xIlluzionx> I'm sorry but I need you to dumb that down for me just a bit
[02:30] <xIlluzionx> I'm fairly competent with command line but linux is brand new to me
[02:32] <sarnold> xIlluzionx: when you're presented with the list of "ubuntu" and "ubuntu (safemode)" (or whatever it is..) there is a key combination you can hit to edit the 'kernel command line'. it'll have things like "splash" and "ro" and "quiet" in it..
[02:32] <xIlluzionx> hmmm I dont see anything about the kernal
[02:32] <sarnold> xIlluzionx: you'll want to add 'single' to that command line, and then boot the system with the modified entry -- that will bring the system up into single-user mode
[02:33] <sarnold> ah, looks like it's 'e' in grub: http://askubuntu.com/a/132983/33812
[02:34] <xIlluzionx> alright, "e" pulled up a new screen
[02:34] <xIlluzionx> is there any specific place to add single
[02:35] <sarnold> it should work just about anywhere but I always put it at the end...
[02:35] <xIlluzionx> currently: "setparams 'Ubuntu' \ recordfail \ load_video \ gfx...
[02:36] <xIlluzionx> cannot find command "single"
[02:38] <sarnold> *sigh* my VMs start way too fast, the thing is booted while the stupid vnc window is flickering around...
[02:38] <xIlluzionx> lol
[02:41] <sarnold> jeeze, you think there'd be a billion youtube videos "lol bypass linux root password lol" showing how to do this but I can't find one. I need a kid to teach me google.
[02:41] <sarnold> or a book to teach me google.
[02:41] <xIlluzionx> http://imgur.com/wYCGumg
[02:41] <sarnold> xIlluzionx: *sigh* sorry :)
[02:42] <xIlluzionx> ^ thats what I am looking at
[02:42] <sarnold> xIlluzionx: can you edit that 'linux' line and add 'quiet' immediately after 'ro'? it'd be "ro quiet" at the end of it...
[02:43] <xIlluzionx> trying
[02:44] <xIlluzionx> ffs
[02:44] <xIlluzionx> nope, still gets to a login screen and then crashes
[02:44] <sarnold> :(
[02:44] <xIlluzionx> fucking irritating
[02:47] <sarnold> yeah, I'm getting upset not being able to catch grub in my VM boots. it'd be worse if it were real hardware that was upsetting me....
[02:47] <xIlluzionx> yea
[02:47] <sarnold> xIlluzionx: okay, this whole thing was to try to get to log messages. maybe another approach -- try a liveCD? try a different release installer?
[02:48] <xIlluzionx> i wanted to ditch osx in favor of ubuntu, but this is proving to be very problematic
[02:48] <xIlluzionx> i guess i will try another install
[02:48] <xIlluzionx> :/
[02:49] <xIlluzionx> 12.04.03 okay?
[02:49] <sarnold> yeah, that should be good, I think it got the EUFI support backported from newer releases, in case your machine requires that...
[02:49] <sarnold> .. (but it ought to work on non-eufi bioses too)
[02:50] <xIlluzionx> bios is set to achi
[02:50] <xIlluzionx> ahci
[02:52] <xIlluzionx> every single time i try to use 12.04 i get to the install screen, it loads, i select install ubuntu, it reboots
[02:52] <xIlluzionx> i have no luck
[02:52] <sarnold> o_O very strange
[02:53] <xIlluzionx> let me ask you this, can ubuntu non server still be used as a serveR?
[02:54] <jrwren> of course. what is a server anyway?
[02:54] <sarnold> xIlluzionx: yes -- the main differences are there's no GUI installed on the server by default and the server doesn't use networkmanager to manage the network interfaces; instead, /etc/network/interfaces is used
[02:55] <xIlluzionx> All I need this server for is to run a minecraft server with mysql databases and apache
[02:56] <sarnold> time for me to run, good luck :)
[02:56] <sarnold> (and have fun :)
[03:30] <srtfmx> I am stuck for a week in doing pxeboot ubuntu via a centos pxeserver over tftp+ftp
[03:30] <srtfmx> is this possible to do so via ftp or the only way is to do via nfs
[03:31] <srtfmx> help me please i am very frustrated at present over this
[03:32] <srtfmx> Anybody there ?????
[03:39] <MavKen> would any of you recommend against using 13.10 on production server?
[04:47] <monokrome> Hey. Does the server installer run SSH by defaukt?
[04:48] <monokrome> default*
[04:48] <monokrome> I have a machine without a monitor and am attempting to install Ubuntu on it.
[04:56] <xgeek-cub> hello
[05:14] <xgeek-cub> anyone knows how to install wgetpaste?
[05:14] <xgeek-cub> please; i am tired;
[05:15] <monokrome> Ubuntu doesn't have a package for it
[05:15] <monokrome> You can use a service like sprunge that only requires something like curl to be installed
[05:16] <monokrome> for instance: ls | curl -F "sprunge=<-" http://sprunge.us
[05:16] <monokrome> will send the output of ls out to a sprunge link and output the link for you
[05:16] <monokrome> xgeek-cub: ^
[05:16] <monokrome> If curl isn
[05:16] <monokrome> isn't available, sudo apt-get install curl
[05:16] <xgeek-cub> ok so just curl?
[05:16] <monokrome> right
[05:19] <xgeek-cub> monokrome: and it just works with sprunge
[05:19] <monokrome> curl is just an http service
[05:20] <monokrome> curl just sends the output to that http service and gives you a link to it
[05:32] <monokrome> There has to be some Ubuntu installer that starts SSHD immediately on boot
[05:32] <monokrome> amirite?
[05:35] <xgeek-cub> monokrome: curl: (56) recv failure: connection reset by peer
[05:35] <monokrome> No network?
[05:36] <monokrome> I have a machine with two hard disks running Mac OS X and I need to install Ubuntu Server on it, but it doesn't have a monitor. Does anyone have ideas regarding how I can achieve this?
[05:36] <xgeek-cub> monokrome: no i have ping
[05:37] <xgeek-cub> monokrome: ssh bro; ssh in to it you do not need a monitor
[05:38] <monokrome> xgeek-cub: How do I enabled SSH without the monitor?
[05:38] <xgeek-cub> monokrome: tell me exactly what is the situation
[05:40] <monokrome> I have a Mac Mini Server that I want to install Ubuntu on
[05:40] <monokrome> I have no monitor.
[05:43] <monokrome> That's the problem
[05:43] <xgeek-cub> monokrome: is that Machine online; has it internet connection?
[05:43] <monokrome> yes
[05:43] <xgeek-cub> or at least on a local network?
[05:44] <monokrome> It's on my local network, I have access to the physical hardware
[05:44] <xgeek-cub> if yes; go to anyother machine and " ssh -p <port_number> <IP_address>"
[05:45] <monokrome> xgeek-cub: How is SSH running? I'm trying to install Ubuntu server. It's in the OS from the USB disk.
[05:46] <xgeek-cub> monokrome: any ubuntu is shipped with ssh server installed; even in livecd or in your case liveusb
[05:46] <monokrome> Is it running by default in them?
[05:48] <xgeek-cub> monokrome: yes by default;
[05:48] <monokrome> oh hmm
[05:49]  * monokrome must not be properly booting it to Ubuntu then
[05:52] <monokrome> xgeek-cub: You sure?
[05:53] <xgeek-cub> monokrome: of what? that the ubuntu livecd has ssh server running on it; yes sure; the way you are approaching your problem not so much
[05:54] <monokrome> What's wrong with the way which I am approaching my problem?
[05:55] <xgeek-cub> monokrome: if you want to insatll ubuntu on a mac server; 1. does this server have os on it right now? 2.if yes you want the ubuntu to remove the os and take over or sit beside that os
[05:56] <monokrome> I want to completely wipe out everything on it and install Ubuntu Server, which is what I am planning on doing once I can find a service.
[05:59] <xgeek-cub> monokrome: wait
[06:00] <monokrome> ok
[06:00] <xgeek-cub> at this time you have this server ok? how you access it (forget about useb; ubuntu ....)
[06:01] <xgeek-cub> *usb
[06:01] <monokrome> OS X
[06:01] <xgeek-cub> monokrome: so it has osx; but you said you donot have monitor yes?
[06:01] <monokrome> correct
[06:02] <monokrome> I have SSH and VNC into OS X
[06:02] <xgeek-cub> monokrome : What from where?
[06:02] <monokrome> what?
[06:03] <xgeek-cub> monokrome : right now you have a laptop for example and you ssh to  your Mini server or VNC to it; Yes?
[06:03] <monokrome> yes
[06:03] <monokrome> and I am trying to get Ubuntu Server on it instead.
[06:03] <xgeek-cub> monokrome : do you have physical access to this Mini server of yours
[06:04] <monokrome> yes
[06:04] <xgeek-cub> monokrome : i got the ubuntu part
[06:04] <monokrome> ok
[06:05] <xgeek-cub> monokrome: What is the machine you use to connect to your server? is it ubuntu or anyother linux?
[06:05] <monokrome> I have a Macbook Pro and a Macbook Air for that
[06:06] <monokrome> The have Linux VMs
[06:14] <xgeek-cub> monokrome : i did some reading;the idea is to connect an ubuntu livecd or usb to your mini server  and make that mini server boot from it
[06:15] <monokrome> Yes, I am already doing that with the Ubuntu Server USB disk
[06:15] <monokrome> The USB installer doesn't have SSH as far as I can tell.
[06:15] <xgeek-cub> if you could do that and now you have a successful boot ; you have some shoot at doing it but it is risky
[06:16] <monokrome> Why is it risky?
[06:16] <xgeek-cub> let me brak it down
[06:16] <xgeek-cub> 1. that ubuntu you use is not working
[06:16] <monokrome> yes it is
[06:17] <xgeek-cub> you need an alter image
[06:17] <monokrome> no I don't
[06:17] <monokrome> You probably read an old article
[06:18] <xgeek-cub> monokrome https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/OverSSH
[06:19] <monokrome> I know how to do it all and have done it multiple times
[06:19] <monokrome> The only problem that I have is that I don't have a monitor
[06:20] <monokrome> So, my original question simply regards what I could use as an alternate interface without using a premade install via bootp or some script?
[06:20] <xgeek-cub> did you read that link
[06:20] <monokrome> yes
[06:20] <monokrome> It's not helpful, however.
[06:22] <monokrome> I'm in the Ubuntu installer and sshd is not running
[06:22] <qman__> my disk filled up during an update and now /boot/grub is missing files, how do I regenerate them?
[06:23] <qman__> I tried purging and reinstalling grub and grub-common but it doesn't do the trick
[06:23] <monokrome> I do not have a monitor, so I try hitting alt+F4 to reach TTY4
[06:23] <monokrome> at which point I have typed enter 3 times to ensure a shell
[06:23] <monokrome> and typed sshd but no luck
[06:23] <monokrome> I can ping the machine, however
[06:26] <qman__> ah, it was grub-pc, not grub
[06:26] <monokrome> =]
[06:26] <monokrome> nmap reports: All 1000 scanned ports on <IP_ADDRESS> are closed
[06:29] <monokrome> I wonder if I can just dd a system out to it in target disk mode
[06:35] <monokrome> I don't think that SSH runs on the Ubuntu Server installer until you've turned it on manually, xgeek-cub.
[06:47] <xgeek-cub> monokrome : you are right;
[06:48] <xgeek-cub> monokrome: ; Parted Magic starts sshd on boot. I am not sure if root is allowed to login, but the root password would be "partedmagic"  However, you need to be connected by wire.
[06:49] <xgeek-cub> but in you case i can't think of other ways
[06:50] <xgeek-cub> yes you could find a ubuntu machine and make in PXE install server then you could be able to boot your mini server into PXE
[06:50] <xgeek-cub> or you could detach the hdds and formated them and install ubuntu on them
[07:41] <mardraum> monokrome: from your shell, type "apt-get install openssh-server"
[07:45] <monokrome>  /me thinks that nobody realizes the problem
[07:46] <monokrome> Does anyone know why the Ubuntu Server 13.x installer doesn't come with fdisk or parted?
[08:32] <xgeek-cub> monokrome: i just did fdisk in my server and it is installed 13.10 is the version of my ubuntu
[08:32] <monokrome> hmm
[08:32] <monokrome> I got a different ISO and found a roommate for using his TV
[08:32] <monokrome> now I'm installing
[08:37] <mardraum> monokrome: what is the problem?
[08:38] <monokrome> There isn't one now
[08:38] <monokrome> :)
[09:29] <SlimG> $ net-snmp-config --create-snmpv3-user -ro -a Passw0rd didrik
[09:29] <SlimG> /usr/bin/net-snmp-config: 236: /usr/bin/net-snmp-config: net-snmp-create-v3-user: not found
[09:30] <SlimG> This is on a Ubuntu 13.10 server
[09:30] <SlimG> It seems net-snmp-config: 236 expect "net-snmp-create-v3-user" in PATH, but I can't even find this script on http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[10:42] <giomanda> hi
[10:43] <giomanda> all of a sudden my server has no longer the command sudo and apt
[10:44] <giomanda> i tried to install the apt from a .deb package but also the command dpkg is missing
[10:44] <giomanda> any ideas how i might install dpkg ?
[10:44] <giomanda> or what is going on?
[10:49] <giomanda> anyone?
[10:49] <soren> giomanda: No dpkg, no apt, no sudo...  Does anything still work at all?
[10:52] <giomanda> yes pretty much..i dint reallize apt was not working until i needed to install something from ubuntu repo
[10:53] <giomanda> any chance to see how/who screwed up?
[10:53] <ogra_> /var/log/auth.log holds all sudo invocations
[10:54] <giomanda> any chance to reinstall dpkg?
[10:57] <giomanda> /var/log/auth.log does not excists .... is that normal?
[10:57] <ogra_> no
[10:58] <giomanda> ....
[10:58] <giomanda> if sudo doesnt excists the auth.log shouldnt excists isnt it right?
[10:59] <ogra_> no, auth.log logs all auth stuff, not just sudo
[11:07] <giomanda> right..... so something happened ..
[11:07] <giomanda> any chance to install dpkg .. somehow?
[12:45] <pmatulis_> reinstall
[13:09] <pmatulis_> completely
[13:09] <g105b> As soon as the installer boots and shows "[!!] Select a language", no keyboard input is detected, no matter what USB hole, no matter what keyboard I try.
[13:11] <pmatulis_> g105b: might be something in the BIOS to look at
[13:12] <g105b> pmatulis_: I'm looking into how to install over LAN
[13:13] <pmatulis_> g105b: ok.  btw, 'usb port', not 'usb hole'
[13:14] <g105b> pmatulis_: thanks :D
[13:16] <g105b> Given I have the .iso downloaded from Ubuntu.com, how do I prepare the files for booting (using bootp)?
[13:20] <g105b> The howto "Preparing Files for TFTP Net Booting, Section "Setting up BOOTP server" on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LocalNet returns 404 error.
[13:20] <xgeek-cub> for my vps; I have an Ip that i use it with VMware vsphere  Client to connect to Vps machine and another ip that i use for ssh to my linux on my VPS; in terms of DNS NS records A records and such which domain we are talking about?
[13:23] <Phog> so im about to lose my shit
[13:23] <Phog> trying to install ubuntu server
[13:24] <Phog> having real issues removing device information from disks
[13:24] <Phog> any good ideas how to just blast away all partitions on all my disks
[13:24] <Phog> the ubuntu install fails consistently
[13:27] <pmatulis_> Phog: the installer allows you to remove partitions doesn't it?
[13:27] <Phog> not in my case
[13:27] <Phog> it fails
[13:27] <Phog> consistently
[13:28] <Phog> says something is in use
[13:28] <Phog> so i do a bunch of superblock searches through my devices and it finds studd
[13:28] <Phog> stuff
[13:28] <Phog> but i can't remove them
[13:28] <Phog> this partition fucking sucks
[13:28] <Phog> is there no easy way to jut blasts away the disks data?
[13:28] <Phog> *just
[13:29] <pmatulis_> Phog: is there any fakeraid that may be enabled?
[13:29] <Phog> i tried to install with software raid
[13:29] <Phog> and it failed to write to grub or something
[13:29] <Phog> now i can't delete the md created array
[13:30] <pmatulis_> Phog: i would enter your BIOS and ensure there is no fakeraid enabled
[13:30] <Phog> no fakeraid
[13:30] <pmatulis_> Phog: sometimes that screws things up
[13:30] <Phog> it's a proliant dl380
[13:30] <pmatulis_> ok
[13:30] <Phog> even if there was, all my drives are through storage HBA's
[13:31] <Phog> can i just DD the fuckers?
[13:31] <pmatulis_> Phog: but it does have hardware raid right?
[13:31] <mardraum> yes, use dd.
[13:31] <pmatulis_> Phog: and please be respectful with your language
[13:31] <Phog> i don't want to wait for it to 0
[13:31] <Phog> ok
[13:31] <Phog> is there a dd command to just wipe everything
[13:31] <mardraum> which gen dl380 is it
[13:31] <Phog> g6
[13:31] <Phog> the smart array onboard isn't hooked up
[13:32] <Phog> im using 9211-8i LSI HBA's
[13:32] <mardraum> why wouldn't you use the smart array?
[13:32] <mardraum> oh
[13:32] <Phog> no virtual drives configured
[13:32] <Phog> cause it's garbage
[13:32] <mardraum> no local install of the OS?
[13:32] <Phog> nothing
[13:32] <Phog> im booted off the install cd
[13:32] <mardraum> no it isn't, I bet you just didn't buy a BBWC
[13:32] <smb> Might help to run "mdadm stop /dev/md?" from a alternate console (if cat /proc/mdstat show some active)
[13:33] <Phog> mardraum: i have used/tested/benched all sorts of smart arrays, the P812, the P410 (onboard) i have the BBU and 512MB cache
[13:33] <Phog> they are garbage
[13:34] <Phog> i've got like 10 of those silly smart(not) array
[13:34] <Phog> cards
[13:35] <mardraum> what problems do you have with the P410 on the g6's ?
[13:35] <Phog> mdadm stop /dev/md127
[13:35] <Phog> mdadm An option must be given to set the mode before a second device (/dev/md127) is listed
[13:35] <Phog> it's slow
[13:36] <mardraum> compared to?
[13:36] <Phog> mdadm
[13:37] <Phog> if you want to buy this P812 with 1GB FBBC
[13:37] <Phog> PLEASE DO
[13:37] <Phog> any ideas with that error?
[13:37]  * smb tries to remember the syntax
[13:38] <Phog> it's --stop
[13:38] <Phog> and it fails
[13:38] <Phog> Cannot get exclusive acess to /dev/md127: Perhaps a running process, mounted filesystem or active volume group
[13:39] <Phog> pretty sweet
[13:40] <smb> Could be some of those... In that case and if you don't care about disk contents it probably is the simplest to dd from /dev/zero over the disks/partitions involved in the softrait and restart
[13:40] <smb> softraid
[13:40] <Phog> do i have to wait for it to zero the drive?
[13:40] <Phog> I have like 45 drives
[13:41] <smb> not all of them , only those referred to in protc/mdstat
[13:41] <smb> and only some sectors
[13:41] <smb> so dd if=/dev/zero of=disk bs=1M count=1
[13:42] <Phog> strangely the cat /proc/mdstat says
[13:42] <Phog> active raid1 sdo1[1] sdk1[0]
[13:43] <Phog> how do i tell what disks it's using
[13:43] <Phog> o and k?
[13:43] <smb> sdo1 and sdk1 (first partition of sdo and sdk)
[13:44] <smb> so disk in the dd would be /dev/sdo1 and /dev/sdk1
[13:44] <smb> And just to repeat some warning the dd will destroy some data written to the mirror, too
[13:45] <Phog> took basically no time
[13:45] <Phog> confirmed with records in and out
[13:45] <Phog> just reboot?
[13:46] <smb> yes, now the meta data should be gone
[13:46] <Phog> here goes nothing *hail mary*
[13:46] <Phog> wish the ubuntu instller was more intelligent
[13:47] <Phog> *installer
[13:48] <Phog> pretty silly spending an hour just to wipe some disks
[13:49] <andol> Phog: Don't recall anything about wiping disk. Are you perhaps installing with encrypted disks?
[13:50] <smb> Usually I thought it was, the fact that there was a md127 usually comes from having a bios defined fakeraid and that is maybe a less common case
[13:50] <andol> Never mind me, realized that I was just missing plenty of backlog. Sorry
[13:51] <Phog> well, let's see what happens
[13:52] <Phog> you guys play with dm-cache much>?
[13:53] <smb> not me
[13:54] <Phog> was trying to decide between solaris and ubuntu for my vm storage
[13:54] <Phog> both have pros and cons
[13:55]  * highvoltage wants to try out dm-cache
[13:55] <Phog> ok LETS TRY THIS AGAIN
[14:02] <Phog> we may have success...
[14:02] <Phog> NOPE
[14:02] <Phog> an installation step failed
[14:02] <Phog> lol
[14:03] <Phog> the failing step is:  Install the system
[14:03] <Phog> genius error
[14:03] <Phog> this makes me giggle
[14:04] <Phog> welp it was worth trying, guess ill use solaris
[14:10] <Phog> got it working
[14:15] <Phog> never mind
[14:15] <Phog> Unable to install GRUB in /dev/sd0
[14:15] <Phog> This is a fatal error.
[14:15] <Phog> haha
[14:15] <Phog> yes it is!
[14:21] <smb> sd0? Have you manually specified where to install?
[14:23] <smb> First hard disk would be sda
[14:23] <Phog> dunno i'm giving up
[14:23] <Phog> too frustrated
[14:26] <genii> sd0 sounds FBSD-ish
[14:27] <Phog> yeah
[14:27] <Phog> it has FBSD
[14:27] <Phog> don't think there is a card in it though
[14:27] <ikonia> sd0 = cdrom
[14:28] <pmatulis_> ah, brings back memories
[14:45] <pmatulis_> msg chanserv op #ubuntu-server pmatulis_
[14:53] <g105b> Can someone advise me on how to install without GUI? I have booted from CD to terminal, awaiting input, it just reads "boot: _"
[14:57] <g105b> ok I noticed pressing tab told me a list of commands
[14:58] <g105b> still didn't get past the issue of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/993242
[15:21] <smoser> $ lxc
[15:21] <smoser> The program 'lxc' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[15:21] <smoser> sudo apt-get install lxc
[15:21] <smoser> ummm.... no i can't.
[15:33] <gchristensen> Hi, I'm using a preseed to pxe-boot install ubuntu server. I'm having an issue where plymouth is being installed, causing "mountall: Disconnected from plymouth" to come up. is there a way to disable all GUI aspects in the preseed? here is what I'm currently using: https://gist.github.com/grahamc/bbb6623705e7c3654e3f/raw/cc9dc1cea1a5c2e9721d4823202456111221de21/gistfile1.txt
[15:41] <Toaster_Strudel> ubuntu server isnt free?
[15:42] <gchristensen> it is free
[15:42] <Toaster_Strudel> the website says essential is 320/yr
[15:42] <Toaster_Strudel> then standard is 700USD/YR
[15:42] <gchristensen> ? that must be something different
[15:43] <gchristensen> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server
[15:43] <gchristensen> Toaster_Strudel: that is for Landscape which is some sort of ... thing.
[15:48] <Toaster_Strudel> is there a website I can show to someone to convince them that ubuntu server is super awesome? I just need a page with pretty screenshots of it in action
[15:48] <Toaster_Strudel> gchristensen: ^
[15:48] <gchristensen> pretty screenshots..?
[15:49] <Toaster_Strudel> yea
[15:49] <Toaster_Strudel> or maybe graphs and other fancy stuff
[15:49] <gchristensen> ubuntu server doens't necessarily come with that out of thebox. its a server
[15:51] <gchristensen> you could setup a node with graphite or munin or something
[15:55] <gchristensen> Toaster_Strudel: this is what my ubuntu server looks like: http://gsc.io/s/ubuntu_server_login_prompt_12.04_-_Google_Search_18216373.png
[16:03] <Toaster_Strudel> gchristensen: there isn't any gui with the installer?
[16:03] <Toaster_Strudel> or can you startx
[16:05] <gchristensen> there is not
[16:05] <gchristensen> you might be able to add one
[16:11] <xgeek-cub> I am in a pros an cons situation; i want to install ubuntu server and i am between 13.10 or 12.04.3 lts?
[16:11] <gchristensen> xgeek-cub: is this for fun or for business?
[16:12] <gchristensen> the follow-up question if its for business, do you have free time? yes -> 13.10, no -> 12.04.3
[16:12] <xgeek-cub> gchristensen: there is in between
[16:12] <xgeek-cub> what you mean by freetome gchristensen
[16:13] <gchristensen> I have no time at all to add potentially extra work to my plate, so I go with 12.04.3. if I had more time to burn doing things because I wanted to, I might put up 13.10. 13.10 may require more maintenance over time since it isn't LTS
[16:37] <jtran> anyone here an expert on preseed?  I'm trying to find out if preseed can setup a vlan tagged nic
[16:40] <jtran> i want preseed to setup a tagged vlan nic so that i can do a netinstall
[16:41] <gchristensen> jtran: to vindicate you, I read your question ... preseeds are Deep Magic I think with little docs
[16:41] <jtran> lol yes it's true i agree it's deep magic
[16:42] <gchristensen> I've asked many a preseed question with no answer
[16:43] <jtran> kk i'll try the mailing list then
[16:43] <jtran> thx for the heads up
[16:58] <lotia> hi all. when I build a raid array using mdamin, and edit the /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf file do i need to update the initrd image for it to be consistently named.
[17:24] <xgeek-cub> could anyboady tell sites like cloudflare
[18:59] <RoyK> lotia: yes
[19:00] <RoyK> update-initramfs -u iirc
[19:22] <xibalba> where is the proper place to set DNS now?
[19:22] <xibalba> apparently /etc/resolv.conf isn't it
[19:22] <xibalba> nm just found it
[19:23] <xibalba> ty
[19:23] <Pici> np
[19:54] <Underbyte> question -- the ubuntu server cloud edition image is named exactly the same as the normal ubuntu server iso, is there a difference between the two?
[20:51] <ryan-c> http://pastebin.com/npp3NKbK < I'm having some rather nasty problems with a package upgrade, can someone please have a look at this? LTS 12.04 server
[20:52] <ryan-c> Looks like there's some circular dependencies maybe?
[20:55] <ryan-c> it looks like my procps service is hosed
[20:58] <ryan-c> procps is failing due to /etc/sysctl.d/30-iscsitarget.conf containing net.ipv4.tcp_mem = 1048576
[20:58] <ryan-c> commenting that line allows dpkg --configure -a to complete
[21:43] <sarnold> ryan-c: please file a bug against the icscitarget package -- and please add a note that the quantal version of the package has dropped the 30-iscsitarget.conf file, described in the <IP_ADDRESS>-6 changelog entry
[21:44] <ryan-c> sarnold: there is already a bug against procps about this
[21:44] <ryan-c> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/procps/+bug/1241376
[21:45] <sarnold> ryan-c: heh, I hadn't realized so many things provided brittle sysctl files..
[21:46] <ryan-c> Yeah, it seems more appropriate to fix procps.
[21:47] <ryan-c> It'll hit people's manual configs as well.
[21:48] <sarnold> ryan-c: perhaps add a comment to this bug report with your experience, to lend weight to the idea of making the procps initscripts more tolerant of failure?
[23:05] <jeeves_moss> how do I setup a bind secondary for a windows primary
[23:13] <rbasak> hallyn_: about bug 930962. I was suggesting doing the mangle the other way inside the container. Not sure if that's possible.
[23:13] <rbasak> hallyn_: if not, then "iptables -D" can delete a rule by its specification, so perhaps "iptables -D ... || true; iptables -A ..."


 Still showing the 13th as the latest
[08:02] <Laney> morning
[08:03] <duflu> Morning Laney
[08:03] <oSoMoN> good morning Laney
[08:04] <duflu> Right. Just deleted cookies from this week and all is well
[08:05] <jamesh> seb128: thanks.  Filling it in now.
[08:07] <seb128> jamesh, thx
[08:08] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you? how was London?
[08:08] <didrocks> good morning Laney! I hope your day in London made it worse the additional time you spent in transportation :)
[08:10] <Laney> hey duflu oSoMoN seb128 didrocks
[08:11] <Laney> yeah good, I took the opportunity of being there to go to a parkrun ;-)
[08:11] <Laney> but then basically went home, had a nap and went to eurovision
[08:11] <Laney> congrats .nl
[08:12] <Laney> hope you all had nice weekends!
[08:16] <seb128> relaxing yeah :)
[08:27] <seb128> kenvandine, eog-master snap started to fail build because they updated the librsvg requirement to a version that is only in disco and that's not where the snap builds ... unsure what's best to workaround, maybe build librsvg in the snap for now?
[10:33] <Laney> BI LE TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[10:34] <Laney> anyone know how to fix https://bileto.ubuntu.com/log/3724/publish/2/info/ ?
[10:44]  * Laney did it manually using LP API for now
[10:47] <Laney> probably would help if I selected the right release ... maybe that was it ...
[11:19] <seb128> yeah
[13:10] <kenvandine> seb128: yeah, i was working on that yesterday
[13:20] <seb128> kenvandine, hey, good :)
[13:30] <seb128> ok, it's meeting time!
[13:30] <kenvandine> indeed
[13:30] <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team Meeting - 2019-05-21
[13:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue May 21 13:30:40 2019 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[13:30] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[13:31] <kenvandine> o/
[13:31] <seb128> didrocks, duflu (out), jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, tkamppeter (out), trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[13:31] <oSoMoN> 🐵/
[13:31] <marcustomlinson> hello
[13:31] <didrocks> hey
[13:31] <seb128> let's get started :)
[13:31] <seb128> #topic rls-bb-bugs
[13:31] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:31] <seb128> no desktop entry
[13:31] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:32] <seb128> unassigned ones which are not in progress/fix commited
[13:32] <seb128> bug #1734887
[13:32] <seb128> while it would be good to fix I don't think it's important enough to be rls targetted
[13:33] <seb128> Trevinho, is that something you plan to backport/include on older series?
[13:33] <didrocks> for 2 months of support? time for the SRU to get in, get it out of -proposed…
[13:34] <seb128> it impacts bionic as well (which is the serie we currently review)
[13:34] <Laney> more bugs being directly nominated ._.
[13:34] <seb128> Laney, I know ...
[13:34] <kenvandine> not going to be able to stop that :/
[13:34] <seb128> I wonder if that power could be restricted :/
[13:34] <seb128> anyway, doesn't change much, if it had been tagged we would review it the same way
[13:34] <didrocks> seb128: ah sorry, mislead by the title :)
[13:34] <seb128> I vote -1
[13:34] <Laney> yep
[13:35] <oSoMoN> I vote -1 on didrocks's proposal to retire bionic in 2 months
[13:35] <seb128> ok, let's un-target (unless Trevinho already decided to backport/include in the next upload in which case he can take it)
[13:35] <seb128> oSoMoN, :)
[13:35] <seb128> next
[13:35] <seb128> bug #1798074
[13:35] <didrocks> oSoMoN: pfffffffffffff :p
[13:35] <seb128> that's assigned now
[13:35] <marcustomlinson> I've got that yeah
[13:36] <seb128> thx marcustomlinson
[13:36] <seb128> bug #1829566
[13:36] <seb128> that's a SRU regression
[13:36] <seb128> kenvandine, Till said he's not around for the meeting but I guess it's for him? can you make sure he deals with it top priority since it's a LTS SRU regression?
[13:36] <seb128> (we might want to ask SRU team to block the phasing? anyway, out of meeting topic)
[13:37] <kenvandine> yes
[13:37] <seb128> thx
[13:37] <seb128> that's all for bionic
[13:37] <seb128> #topic rls-cc-bugs
[13:37] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:37] <seb128> no desktop entry
[13:37] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:38] <seb128> same gnome-shell one
[13:38] <didrocks> (time to redo the same show for the "No caps…" and I will be right this time!)
[13:38] <seb128> :)
[13:38] <seb128> and the udisks one is invalid, other tasks were closed but cosmic didn't work, probably lp timeout ... done for good now
[13:39] <seb128> #topic rls-dd-bugs
[13:39] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:39] <seb128> still no desktop
[13:39] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:39] <seb128> unassigned ones are either fix commited or in progress
[13:39] <seb128> #topic rls-ee-bugs
[13:40] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:40] <seb128> bug #1829699
[13:40] <seb128> jibel reported/tagged this one
[13:41] <seb128> I didn't upgrade to eoan yet but I want to test that on my inspiron today
[13:41] <seb128> if it's confirmed I vote +1 otherwise -1
[13:41] <seb128> jibel didn't provide the journal log so it doesn't help to know what's going on
[13:41] <seb128> jibel, you should know about including that by default with reports :)
[13:41] <seb128> (unsure why apport doesn't do it for gnome-shell reports)
[13:42] <seb128> others? anyone on eoan yet? did you see the issue?
[13:42] <didrocks> I heard the issue is only when you have multiple vpns
[13:42] <seb128> k, then it's -1 for me
[13:42] <seb128> we should still fix it
[13:42] <didrocks> (but can't confirm here, only one vpn, and didn't upgrade yet, but will do next week)
[13:42] <seb128> but it's cosmectic and edge case
[13:43] <seb128> k, let's skip, I will deal with it according to what the testing points out
[13:43] <seb128> might be worth testing also with disco-proposed's gnome-shell
[13:43] <seb128> in case that's a regression in that update
[13:43] <seb128> didrocks, thx :)
[13:44] <seb128> other one is bug #1162475
[13:44] <seb128> I will deal with it, but I think it's rather a systemd issue (cyphermo_x seemed to agree when I mentioned it to him)
[13:44] <seb128> so probably invalid for us
[13:45] <seb128> g-c-c just calls to hostnamed I think (need to check though)
[13:45] <seb128>
[13:45] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:45] <seb128> all assigned!
[13:46] <seb128> #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[13:46] <seb128> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[13:46] <seb128> Laney, anything you would like to point out there?
[13:46] <seb128> (guess not)
[13:46] <seb128> well enigmail ... oSoMoN are you on that one?
[13:46] <oSoMoN> yes
[13:46] <seb128> cool
[13:46] <oSoMoN> looking at that one
[13:47] <Laney> I made cards
[13:47] <seb128> thx
[13:48] <seb128> #topic AOB
[13:48] <seb128> anything else?
[13:49] <didrocks> nothing
[13:49] <marcustomlinson> nothing from me
[13:49] <seb128> k, it's a wrap then, thx everyone!
[13:49] <seb128> #endmeeting
[13:49] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue May 21 13:49:31 2019 UTC.
[13:49] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2019/ubuntu-desktop.2019-05-21-13.30.moin.txt
[13:50] <marcustomlinson> thx 👍
[13:50] <oSoMoN> thx
[14:26] <Laney> that vpn thing is because yaru needs to be synced back up with shell
[14:36] <seb128> ah, thx Laney
[14:36] <seb128> I was about to update/configure some VPN to test
[14:36] <seb128> did they break theming in a point release? it impacts the SRU in disco-proposed then?N
[14:39] <Laney> I marked it as v-failed until there is a fixed yaru uploaded
[14:42] <seb128> thx!
[14:42] <seb128> Trevinho, ^
[14:42] <Laney> he'll have bug mail
[14:43] <seb128> you have faith in italian emails servers :p
[14:50] <Odd_Bloke> Hey folks!  I'm currently running on an SSD running in my laptop.  I'm in the process of setting up a desktop, and to save me from having to buy an extra drive, I'd like to just install the SSD in my desktop.  Can anyone foresee any issues I might run in to by so doing?
[14:51] <Odd_Bloke> One question I have: the new desktop will have only Nvidia graphics, whereas my laptop uses the integrated Intel graphics.  Should I install the Nvidia drivers before I move the drive, or will that not have any effect if I'm not already on a platform with an Nvidia card?
[14:51] <Odd_Bloke> (And if I don't install the Nvidia drivers, I assume there's enough support in the kernel to at least get me to an unaccelerated desktop?)
[14:53] <seb128> Odd_Bloke, hey, moving the SSD should just work, you can probably install the drivers after moving
[14:53] <seb128> it should boot using nouveau until you do
[14:56] <Odd_Bloke> OK, great!
[14:56] <Odd_Bloke> Thanks Seb!
[14:58] <seb128> np!
[15:10] <Trevinho> seb128: hey... As per that bug I knew was yaru... But sorry I didn't make in getting me up at 8 for the meeting today as last night I wanted to finish the 3.28.4 packaging...
[15:37] <seb128> Trevinho, no worry
[16:06] <Trevinho> Laney: on those 3.28.4 SRU overrides what you think?
[16:06] <Laney> dunno what you mean
[16:06] <Trevinho> can we try to get those in queue instead?
[16:06] <Trevinho> Laney: https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+git/mutter/+merge/367673 and shell friend
[16:07] <Laney> yeah don't see why not
[16:10] <didrocks> sudo sed -i s/disco/eoan/g /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt full-upgrade
[16:10] <didrocks> scary ;)
[16:11] <Trevinho> didrocks: yeah, unless I won't do it in production for some weeks still :P
[16:11] <didrocks> Trevinho: too late, pressed F5 ;)
[16:12] <didrocks> + enter
[16:12]  * didrocks doesn't look back
[16:12] <Trevinho> have a safe trip!
[16:12] <didrocks> heh
[16:12] <didrocks> I just do this for celebrating more than 60 tests on zfs ;)
[16:31] <Trevinho> Laney: I should ping more it seems, I trusted your full email scanning too much :P, but yeah now that you merged to salsa, i can prepare 3.32.2
[16:32] <Laney> Trevinho: say what?
[16:33]  * Laney thought we discussed waiting for a release
[16:33] <Trevinho> Laney: yeah, sure...
[16:33] <Laney> :P
[16:33] <Trevinho> but from the mail you say "I just saw that :P", so I thought you didn't see the MR
[16:33] <Laney> ah
[16:35] <Laney> don't bother preparing it, I can do that quickly while I'm in the branch already
[16:53] <Trevinho> Laney: ok
[16:53] <Laney> done!
[16:53] <Trevinho> lovely
[16:54] <Laney> should we replace disco with .2?
[16:54] <Trevinho> great I tabbed back to IRC or we were doing the same xD
[16:54] <Laney> if we have to wait at least 10 days yaru anyway ...
[16:54] <Trevinho> Mh, if we can automatically-verify everything...
[16:54] <Trevinho> that's ok
[16:54] <Laney> for *
[16:57] <Laney> have a think about it, not going to do that now anyway
[17:20] <Laney> bionic done
[17:20] <Laney> now, goodnight!
[18:34] <oSoMoN> good night


[22:39] <Umeaboy> xxavi: What does dmesg say? Paste the output on hastebin.com and paste the resulting link here.
[22:40] <Umeaboy> Teb82: lsmod will tell you a lot.
[22:40] <Umeaboy> lshw will also tell you.
[22:40] <Umeaboy> Run lshw as root.
[22:40] <blackflow> hfp: what do you mean validate?
[22:42] <Teb82> I am trying to disable the touchscreen driver for my laptop, I know I can do xinput and disable it or write a script to disable it on boot up but my laptop is one of those 2 in 1s and the driver for the pen shows up as well but I will run lshw and see if it will turn up a more specific answer
[22:42] <Teb82> thank you
[22:44] <xxavi> Umeaboy: hi, here my dmesg: https://hastebin.com/zabecotute.vbs
[22:46] <tomreyn> granttrec: only with a snapshotting block device layer (LVM2) or filesystem feature (zfs, btrfs from what i read)
[22:46] <psichas> guys, where network manager saves names of devices? i got one very big name...
[22:46] <Umeaboy> xxavi: What does mount say?
[22:46] <Umeaboy> Sorry.
[22:46] <Umeaboy> df
[22:46] <xxavi> Umeaboy: here my lshw output: https://hastebin.com/guraqojeya.nginx
[22:47] <xxavi> Umeaboy: https://hastebin.com/ifebafedox.erl
[22:47] <Umeaboy> Seems like it failed to mount.
[22:48] <Umeaboy> Yeah.
[22:48] <granttrec> tomreyn: thats too bad, but snapshots are an ok alterative, guess I had to learn filesystems eventually
[22:48] <Umeaboy> It doesn't mount.
[22:48] <Umeaboy> Read error.
[22:48] <Umeaboy> Have you googled the issue?
[22:49] <xxavi> Umeaboy: I not found any info
[22:49] <Umeaboy> xxavi: https://www.google.se/search?source=hp&ei=S6A-W_GWDYnIsQH_hoXoBg&q=HLDS+Inc+%2B+Slim+ext+blu-ray+error+-71&oq=HLDS+Inc+%2B+Slim+ext+blu-ray+error+-71&gs_l=psy-ab.3...1461.26433.0.279<IP_ADDRESS>.<IP_ADDRESS>2.3833.13j15j1j5-1.30.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..3.17.2601.0..0i22i30k1j0i22i10i30k1j33i160k1j33i22i29i30k1j33i21k1.0.AlSjlnwMAyo
[22:50] <Umeaboy> What's the firmware version of that device?
[22:50] <Umeaboy> Maybe there's an update released.
[22:51] <qwebirc8854> Hi, I'm using PBIS to connect to Active Directory and for the most part everything works well. One question - when doing certain operations through the GUI, such as managing some settings, I have to "unlock" using the password for the local account used when installing Ubuntu - is it possible to alter the bahaviour for the password prompt? Can I authenticate using my AD account?
[22:51] <xxavi> Umeaboy: it have last firmware version
[22:54] <Umeaboy> xxavi: How do you know that?
[22:55] <Umeaboy> It seems like this is a device made in a collaboration between Hitachi and LG.
[22:55] <xxavi> Umeaboy: I check it on Windows
[22:55] <tomreyn> granttrec: normally you can just undo things with apt, though. what is the issue you're trying to handle, if any?
[22:56] <Umeaboy> I'd say you'd have to ask in #ubuntu-dev, but I could be wrong.
[22:56] <Umeaboy> Sounds like a mount issue.
[22:56] <Umeaboy> When you last used it, did you unmount it properly before disconnecting it?
[22:56] <granttrec> tomreyn: nothing specific, but after a mistake at work today I want to get better at package management
[22:57] <Umeaboy> If not, you can get mount issues.
[22:57] <Umeaboy> What you can do is to check if it mounts with gparted.
[22:57] <Umeaboy> Or the disk-utility rather.
[22:59] <tomreyn> granttrec: i see. you can always review your latest requests to APT in /var/log/apt/history.log* (those can have been cancelled later) and the latest actual output of when apt was running in /var/log/apt/term.log*
[23:00] <tomreyn> granttrec: reviewing those can help you roll back by just undoing those actions.
[23:00] <granttrec> thanks, good to know
[23:00] <xxavi> Umeaboy: hmmm, I change the USB port attached and now it work fine, thanks for all
[23:00] <granttrec> tomreyn: can packages have "tags"?
[23:01] <tomreyn> granttrec: what kind if tags?
[23:03] <granttrec> tomreyn: tags created by a user, so say you needed a bunch of packages for a project, you could group them for easy install/removal
[23:03] <ikonia> 7
[23:04] <tomreyn> granttrec: not really, but you could create meta packages which just depends on these packages you want, push them to your own PPA, and then just add this PPA to a system you want to manage this way.
[23:05] <tomreyn> granttrec: alternatively, you could just write a shell script or setup some deployment solution to install them
[23:06] <granttrec> shell script makes sense, I may have been too idealistic
[23:07] <tomreyn> if it's about multiple computers, maybe take a look at ansible - it's somewhat easy to get stated with. easier than other deployment solutions anyways.
[23:09] <tomreyn> granttrec: there are also tasks (ooold documentation, but should still be correct) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tasksel
[23:09] <granttrec> tomreyn: thanks for your wise counsel mate
[23:10] <tomreyn> ;) welcome, also got to go now. good luck.
[23:17] <psichas> https://ibb.co/mgzKGd how to remove long name from here? :D
[23:23] <praveen> hello
[23:24] <psichas> hi
[23:29] <oerheks> yay fresh https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/AudioHandbook
[23:30] <oerheks> psichas, go into your router, change the name of the SSID.
[23:30] <oerheks> not an ubuntu issue