[07:21] <dholbach> good morning
[07:22] <philballew> morning dholbach
[07:22] <philballew> recovered from uds?
[07:23] <dholbach> hey philballew
[07:23] <dholbach> philballew, right now it feels like it, but I know I'm going to feel different once I have an overview over all my new work items :)
[07:23] <dholbach> how are you?
[07:26] <philballew> Overall relaxed, but as well all know, the week will have unexpected surprises. I need to go over my items as well. I have a bunch to keep me busy.
[07:35] <philballew> need to look over exactly what I can do to help with the videos.
[07:36] <dholbach> it's going to be a great cycle :)
[07:37] <philballew> thats for sure. last cycle went really quick
[07:51] <bkerensa> dholbach: what was the name of that package for forwarding patches to debian?
[07:52] <dholbach> bkerensa, I'm not sure I understand your question - can you elaborate?
[07:52] <bkerensa> dholbach: I think it was submittodebian we were using for the Bug Fix Initiative list last cycle to submit fixes upstream to debian?
[07:53] <dholbach> yes, submittodebian is the tool to forward patches to Debian - it's part of the ubuntu-dev-tools package
[07:53] <bkerensa> kk
[08:01] <bkerensa> dholbach: time to start housekeeping up string-fix and bitesize :)
[08:01] <dholbach> sounds good :)
[08:01] <bkerensa> dholbach: have u seen "ERROR: Revision<EMAIL_ADDRESS>not present in "Graph(StackedParentsProvider(bzrlib.repository._LazyListJoin(([CachingParentsProvider(None)], []))))""
[08:02] <bkerensa> I got that when trying to bzr branch
[08:02] <dholbach> no, but maybe Launchpad has a bug about it?
[08:02] <bkerensa> hmm
[08:03]  * bkerensa searches some
[08:11] <dholbach> or maybe ask in #launchpad or #bzr?
[08:11] <dholbach> hey dpm
[08:11] <dpm> morning dholbach
[08:51] <philballew> Mark just gave a good juju talk once again.
[09:23] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:31] <AlanBell> morning
[09:36] <philballew> hello
[09:49] <khildin_> jcastro_ I took the liberty to send you an email. I hope you can help me out with that...
[09:50] <khildin_> <- robb from Zentyal community
[11:33]  * czajkowski hugs dholbach
[11:33]  * dholbach hugs czajkowski back :)
[11:48]  * nigelb ducks from popey
[13:48] <mhall119> czajkowski: see G+
[13:50] <czajkowski> yay
[13:50] <czajkowski> glad you got it
[13:51] <mhall119> the irony, he got his RedHat hat *and* Unity on his computer on the same day
[14:18] <jcastro_> hah man
[14:19] <jcastro_> my inbox is a wreck
[14:19] <cprofitt> hey jcastro_ they have an app for that :-)
[14:31] <dholbach> I have a button for that :)
[14:36] <daker> dholbach: http://www.northafricaunited.com/World-Travel-Awards-Marrakech-voted-best-African-destination-of-the-year_a2579.html
[14:41] <dholbach> it IS a very nice place :)
[14:42] <daker> :)
[15:14] <dpm> hi mhall119, when you've got a minute, could you update the whiteboard and work items on the Quickly blueprints?
[15:15] <mhall119> sure
[15:15] <dpm> great, thanks :)
[15:23] <dholbach> czajkowski, my fingers are hurting now: http://daniel.holba.ch/blog/2012/11/report-leadership-mini-summit-at-uds/ :)
[15:24] <cjohnston> mornin all
[15:24] <IdleOne> have you folks listened to jono's latest video?
[15:26]  * IdleOne links
[15:26] <IdleOne> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sPVPxvvcm4&feature=em-uploademail-new
[15:42] <cprofitt> IdleOne: thanks... good song... never knew Jono playes Acoustic
[15:42] <cprofitt> I am still struggling to learn
[15:42] <nigelb> mhall119: http://bindersfullofburgers.tumblr.com/
[15:42] <nigelb> mhall119: You'll love it! :)
[15:43] <IdleOne> cprofitt: I have seen him play acoustic once or twice on ustream iirc.
[15:43] <IdleOne> cprofitt: his usual stuff is much harder hitting though
[15:44] <SergioMeneses> dholbach, +1 Im going to write soon
[15:44] <SergioMeneses> cjohnston, mornin
[15:45] <dholbach> SergioMeneses, what are you going to write?
[15:45] <SergioMeneses> dholbach, some ideas about the community
[15:45] <dholbach> ah nice - thanks! :)
[15:46] <SergioMeneses> dholbach, I did something but in Spanish https://sergioandresmeneses.wordpress.com/2012/11/04/mi-participacion-en-la-ubuntu-developer-summit-r/
[15:46] <SergioMeneses> yesterday
[15:47] <dholbach> nice one
[15:47] <dholbach> I like Mark in the Ubuntu Colombia shirt :)
[15:47] <cprofitt> SergioMeneses: just G+'d that
[15:48] <SergioMeneses> cprofitt, hey man! ty a lot ;)
[15:48] <SergioMeneses> dholbach, yeeeah
[15:48] <SergioMeneses> you can see my photo gallery, It is in the post... but Im going to write something for the planet
[15:49] <dholbach> fantástico
[15:59] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: hey, RT tells me I don't have enough permission to see the ticket
[15:59] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, yes, it's not accepted/assigned yet - that's when you get messages like this - you should be able to just reply to the RT mail I sent
[15:59] <dholbach> hey jono
[15:59] <JoseeAntonioR> so, instead of OpenID we would be getting Ubuntu SSO, then?
[16:00] <jono> hey dholbach
[16:00] <jono> dholbach, all set?
[16:00] <dholbach> jono, yes
[16:00] <jono> cool, setting it up :-)
[16:00] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, I replied to your mail
[16:00] <JoseeAntonioR> gotcha
[16:01] <jono> dholbach, invite sent
[16:05] <jcastro_> SergioMeneses: your photos are pretty awesome
[16:06] <SergioMeneses> jcastro_, hey! thanks
[16:25] <dpm> SergioMeneses, nice blog post, no sabía que eras de Colombia!
[16:27] <SergioMeneses> dpm, si, soy miembro fundador del concilio de ubuntu colombia
[16:28] <dpm> qué bueno
[16:28] <jono> dpm, ok to go now?
[16:28] <SergioMeneses> y trabajo con el classroom en español
[16:28] <dpm> jono, yep!
[16:28] <jono> dpm, invite sent
[16:29] <dpm> coming in...
[16:30] <SergioMeneses> dpm, we can talk later...
[16:39] <dpm> SergioMeneses, sure
[17:35] <cprofitt> jono: nice song on youtube.
[17:41] <IdleOne> Some band named Derek and the Dominos covered Layla by Eric Clapton.
[17:49] <dholbach> alright my friends - see you all tomorrow
[17:49] <dholbach> big hugs
[17:56] <jono> thanks cprofitt!
[17:59] <jono> mhall119, all set?
[18:00] <jono> mhall119, invite sent
[18:00] <mhall119> joining
[18:18] <jono> mhall119, lost you
[18:18] <mhall119> yeah, trying to re-join but Google is having trouble
[19:05] <mhall119> czajkowski: what's the difference between Maintainer and Driver when it comes to an LP project?
[19:21] <czajkowski> maintainer maintains the project,so i t has the permissions necesary for keeping data correct, driver is responsible for the developement, eg setting milestones, setting bugs/codes to bp etc
[19:21] <czajkowski> mhall119: ^^^
[19:21] <mhall119> perfect, thanks czajkowski
[19:22] <jono> balloons, I have been on the phone solid all morning, can we delay our call a little so I can eat?
[19:24] <cjohnston> I thought you were a machine and didnt need to eat
[19:24] <jono> cjohnston, LOL
[19:24] <mhall119> cjohnston: no, that's jcastro_
[19:33] <balloons> jono, realized I didn't say yes back in chat :-)
[19:34] <mhall119> balloons: did you just nod your head to him?
[19:34] <balloons> mhall119, I said it vocally
[19:34] <balloons> :-p
[20:05] <mhall119> 1/w 108
[20:34] <jono> jcastro_, all set?
[20:41] <jono> mhall119, free now?
[20:41] <mhall119> jono: yup
[20:41] <jono> mhall119, setting it up
[20:42] <jono> mhall119, invite sent
[20:42] <jono> balloons, sorry, you might get bumped to tomorro
[20:42] <jono> w
[20:42] <jono> a bunch of urgent things to do today
[20:42] <jono> balloons, we will speak tomorrow for sure though
[20:55] <balloons> jono.. no worries mate
[20:55] <balloons> tomorrow
[20:55] <jono> balloons, thanks
[21:15] <jono> jcastro_, around?
[21:18] <jcastro_> yeah
[21:18] <jono> jcastro_, free to chat?
[21:18] <jcastro_> yeah
[21:18] <jcastro_> hey
[21:18] <jono> col
[21:18] <jono> firing it up
[21:18] <jcastro_> did my IRC client just spam the channel with something?
[21:18] <jcastro_> [jcastro_ back: gone 00:39:27]
[21:18] <jono> jcastro_, no
[21:18] <jcastro_> or was that just on mine
[21:18] <jcastro_> ok, whew
[21:18] <jono> :-)
[21:19] <jono> jcastro_, invite sent
[21:33] <marcoceppi> SpamapS this is what I was thinking:
[21:34] <marcoceppi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1335880/
[21:34] <marcoceppi> wrong chanel'
[22:07] <cjohnston> bkerensa: what are you sending on FB?
[22:13] <mhall119> cjohnston: spam :(
[22:13] <mhall119> guess it wasn't just me
[22:13] <mhall119> hope I didn't spam people by clicking it
[22:22] <daker> hhh be carefull
[22:33] <jono> balloons, hey
[22:33] <jono> FYI, I just did an intro to you and the Nexus 7 team
[22:34] <jono> I want us to get a solid set of manual testings in place for our community to help with
[22:42] <JoseeAntonioR> mhall119: what would Analytical/Statistical include?
[23:13] <mhall119> JoseeAntonioR: number-crunching
[23:13] <JoseeAntonioR> oh, that's cool
[23:13] <mhall119> JoseeAntonioR: remember the plenary at UDS where the guy was building statistics about LP bugs?  That kind of thing
[23:56] <JoseeAntonioR> cjohnston, mhall119: how do I get a LP BP ID?
[23:58] <cjohnston> depends on your purpose
[23:59] <JoseeAntonioR> summit
[23:59] <JoseeAntonioR> for example, the ID of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-r-ubuntuonair
[23:59] <cjohnston> you would have to look in the lp export


[01:56] <Dandel> i noticed that there was a failed build on the piglit ppa and it did provide an machine nor the build log... all it says is "unknown build machine" and it took down the i386 package for quantal.
[04:52] <Sarvatt> Dandel: random question but do you have any interest in joining xorg-edgers to keep that ppa going however you want to use it? i just hit rebuild, it'll probably build fine after that
[04:54] <Sarvatt> if you join you can change things in the piglit ppa however you want, not sure what your launchpad username is though so lemme know :)
[04:56] <Sarvatt> oh wait are you kphillisjr?
[04:56] <Sarvatt> aka the guy pushing amd to pay attention to piglit on the beta lists?
[05:00] <Sarvatt> just added you if so, go nuts on the piglit recipes used in that ppa :)


[12:23] <racter> hi all - i'm having a weird glitch where my users can't log out (using gnome)
[12:26] <racter> hey cliebow
[01:52] <racter> i'm still having this weird glitch where users can't log out - has anyone seen that before?
[05:24] <andrew____> I have LTSP installed on top of ubuntu server and working, but I do not have Thin Client Manager...how do I install?
[05:28] <dtrask> Andrew....I'm not sure if it's possible given the underlying differences between the way Edubuntu runs LTSP and straight LTSP on Ubuntu....but the man to ask is Ogra.  He's here, but it's the middle of the night in Germany.  If you are in the US or Western Hemisphere....ask again in the morning
[05:28] <andrew____> Should I just install Edubuntu server? I'm just messing around here...
[05:29] <dtrask> don't take my word for it....it may very well be possible....not sure.  LTSP on Edubuntu runs a chroot environment....so the paths are differents...etc.
[05:29] <dtrask> that would be the quick way to get what you want
[05:30] <andrew____> apt-get install edubuntu-server?
[05:30] <dtrask> you can opt not to install the education stuff....you can also remove it
[05:30] <dtrask> don't think so....you may want to d/l the ISO from edubuntu.org
[05:30] <dtrask> get the classroom server version
[07:28] <student> I'm using edubuntu with a test network of 1 thin client and a server with 512MB Ram...when I run YouTube videos in flash player there's no sound and the video freezes after about 5s of play time.   Is this normal behavior?
[08:14] <andrew____> Can't get "Share Screen" to work in Thin Client Manager...I've got x11vnc working for the purposes of viewing the thin client screens in the TCM panel.
[11:41] <siga> hello
[11:42] <siga> i am starting a K-8 computer class for a private school does anyone know of a good place to start looking for curriculum information related to using linux and the internet


[03:53] <ScottK> Riddell: Do we know what Qt5 version we need for Vixen?
[06:48] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ping
[06:51] <Quintasan> Christ, kded4 leaks memory
[06:56] <valorie> hi Quintasan, how's life?
[06:56] <Quintasan> valorie: Well, mostly university stuff.
[06:57] <Quintasan> 3 management courses this semester so I'm dying mentaly here.
[06:57] <valorie> having fun and working hard?
[06:57] <valorie> ah
[06:57] <valorie> boo
[06:57] <valorie> we miss you too
[06:57] <Quintasan> mentally*
[06:59] <Quintasan> I wish I could pass the whole course at once since it's HTML & CSS
[06:59] <Quintasan> But why would they relive me of the tediousness of going to laboratories each Friday at 07:30
[07:00] <valorie> there is always a certain amount of crappy, onerous, totally silly requirements
[07:00] <valorie> "you must suffer, since we had to suffer"
[07:01] <Quintasan> And we have to use SVN to turn in the assignements lol
[07:03] <valorie> oh, that's lovely
[07:03] <valorie> so turn-of-the-century
[07:03] <valorie> they've not heard of git?
[07:06] <Tm_T> why not use svn if it works for their needs?
[07:07] <Quintasan> valorie: The prof does know about git but he said people won't understand it.
[07:07] <apachelogger> Tm_T: it couldn't possibly work for their needs considering it requires special server-side software and is dreadfully slow
[07:08] <Quintasan> Tm_T: Well, At first I thought university is supposed to teach good practices.
[07:08] <apachelogger> svn never works for anyone
[07:08] <apachelogger> nevaaaaaaaaaaaar
[07:08] <Quintasan> After some time I thought it's about teaching anything
[07:08] <Quintasan> Now I'm not even sure what's this about.
[07:08] <valorie> sometimes it's just making it through and getting the piece of paper
[07:09] <valorie> seems like education is often what you yourself provide
[07:09] <Quintasan> kded why you leak memory so much
[07:12] <Tm_T> Quintasan: and using SVN isn't good practice when it needs requirements?
[07:13] <Tm_T> I would prefer git too, sure, I just don't see svn as some kind of a monster
[07:13] <soee> good morning
[07:13] <Quintasan> soee: Hi
[07:13] <Tm_T> moin soee
[07:13] <valorie> neither do I, Tm_T
[07:13] <valorie> after all KDE is still using it for some things
[07:14] <valorie> it is the past not the future though
[07:14] <Quintasan> Tm_T: It's not like I'm saying that SVN is a monster, I'm just saying that most people and projects use git.
[07:14] <Quintasan> Hell, even the company I worked as a contractor used git and it's old as hell.
[07:14] <Tm_T> valorie: true, I have learned universities are in the past most of the time though
[07:15] <Tm_T> svn, git, they're just tools, both can be used to teach the ideas of version control, continuous commits etc
[07:15] <valorie> that's fine for classics, history, literature.... but not science!
[07:15] <Tm_T> I keep nagging about "commit often" to our developers here at the office, brrrrh
[07:16] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Do you recall any magic switches for valgrind if one is trying to debug kded?
[07:18] <apachelogger> Quintasan: there is a blog post on the matter of findingin memleaks in kded
[07:19] <Quintasan> Splendid.
[07:19] <Quintasan> What
[07:19] <Quintasan> I killed kded and icons in my tray suddenly have colours.
[07:19] <Quintasan> ...do not tell me that kded applies the colour overlay
[07:24] <apachelogger> http://api.kde.org/4.x-api/kde-workspace-apidocs/plasma-workspace/html/statusnotifierwatcher_8cpp_source.html
[07:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: why build without systemd support?! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next/+sourcepub/4480867/+listing-archive-extra
[07:26] <apachelogger> yeah
[07:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: why not write useful changelogs? :P
[07:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: FWIW it might actually have to do witht he fact that if built with systemd I think sddm will use entirely differnt code paths
[07:28] <shadeslayer> I am unsure, that was introduced on the 21st and stuff worked before that on the iso's?
[07:29] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: pong?
[07:30] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Was trying to debug kded4 for memleaks and IIRC you said something about it
[07:31] <Quintasan> how the hell is --leak-check=full invalid option
[07:32] <apachelogger> if yer not using memcheck it might just be
[07:32] <shadeslayer> ^^
[07:35] <Quintasan> Ah the joys of copypasting lines.
[07:35] <Quintasan> This one had --tool=massif, makes perfect sense now
[07:36] <apachelogger> so clearly valgrind was correct when it said your option is shit :P
[07:36] <Quintasan> Hell if I know if it's leaking memory now, it's taking 606 MiB
[08:06] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:25] <bukai__> Riddell: ping
[09:10] <Riddell> hi bukai__
[09:11] <Riddell> ScottK: no we don't, plasma team pondered if it was reasonable to require qt 5.4 in plasma 5.2 and didn't come up with an answer so delayed the decision
[09:26] <bukai__> Hi, I have set up the ssh key should i mail it to you?
[09:27] <bukai__> Riddell: ^^
[09:30] <Riddell> bukai__: put it on your launchpad account is usually easiest
[09:31] <bukai__> I have done that too
[09:33] <sgclark> morning
[09:34] <bukai__> Riddell: the public key is in my launchpad account
[09:43] <Riddell> bukai__: url?
[09:43] <Riddell> hi sgclark, how was helping Sick_Rimmit yesterday?
[09:44] <sgclark> Riddell: we made progress. Got to symbols and then he ran out of time. Will continue tomorrow probably.
[09:46] <soee> !package kde-telepathy
[09:47] <bukai__>  https://launchpad.net/~subho020m
[09:50] <bukai__> Riddell: ^
[09:57] <Sick_Rimmit> HI Riddell
[09:58] <Sick_Rimmit> Yes it went very well, I learned alot
[09:58] <Sick_Rimmit> She is very patient
[09:58] <shadeslayer> Riddell: so what's with the sddm no systemd situation?
[09:58] <Sick_Rimmit> I have almost got the build of libkpeople working
[09:58] <Sick_Rimmit> Will try to complete by myself this evening,
[09:59] <Sick_Rimmit> am plpanning to hook up with sgclark tomorrow to review
[09:59] <Sick_Rimmit> Hopefully will have it  all correctly packaged
[10:23] <Riddell> shadeslayer: we don't use systemd so it doesn't build with systemd
[10:23] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I turned it off explicity incase it was thinking we had systemd incorrectly and that was the cause of logging problems but I don't think it made any difference
[10:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: well it causes stuff to break with people who boot with systemd
[10:31] <shadeslayer> Bug https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next/+sourcepub/4480867/+listing-archive-extra
[10:31] <shadeslayer> Erm
[10:32] <shadeslayer> Bug 1384401
[10:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: maybe want to revert that ?
[10:32] <shadeslayer> Or comment on that bug report
[10:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it can't be a straight revert that would cause it not to use vt7
[10:39] <Riddell> so that patch would need to be added back
[10:40] <Riddell> the other question is why doesn't the log file contain anything on the live image
[10:40] <Riddell> or why didn't it when we were using ubiquity-dm
[10:40] <shadeslayer> Can be fixed via the minTerm config thingy
[10:40] <Riddell> yes or that
[10:40] <Riddell> bukai: preferred username?
[10:41] <Riddell> bukai: hmm you shouldn't be root user when making ssh keys I'm sure
[10:42] <bukai> Riddell: I was not aware of that
[10:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: anyway, mind investigating ?
[10:42] <bukai> Riddell:  will that be a problem?
[10:42] <shadeslayer> bukai: usually sudo isn't required for most of the things that you would do
[10:44] <bukai> shadeslayer: Ok , I will keep it in mind next time.
[10:45] <Riddell> bukai_: no it's a general issue not one specific with ssh keys, you shouldn't be using root in general as a security precaution
[10:45] <Riddell> bukai_: anyway what preferred username?
[10:46] <bukai_> Riddell:  subho020m
[10:50] <Riddell> bukai_: ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:55] <bukai_> Thanks , how do I use this to get access to the code off test.kubuntu,co,uk?
[10:58] <Riddell> good question
[10:58] <Riddell> it's somewhere in ~kubuntu
[10:59] <Riddell> bukai_: nope seems to be in /home/ovidiu-florin/kubuntu_wordpress
[11:00] <Riddell> bukai_: would you like to set it up on the server or on your home computer?
[11:01] <bukai_> on my computer
[11:02] <Riddell> bukai_: aye so grab those files and you should be able to do a mysqldump using the details in wp-config.php
[11:02] <bukai_> ok, I will start with it. Once i find the code.
[11:03] <Riddell> bukai_: it's in /home/ovidiu-florin/kubuntu_wordpress
[11:08] <sgclark> unless it is owned by world (very bad) I suspect permission problems will arise getting that code...
[11:09] <sgclark> shouldnt it be in some VCS somewhere?
[11:11] <Riddell> it's owned by ovidiu, should be world readable
[11:26] <bukai_> Thanks, I will setting up the code
[11:34] <Riddell> anyone want to go to the tech board at 17:00UTC today? I'm away
[11:38] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:48] <Tm_T> who can grant me access to https://trello.com/b/3s11MoXD/15-04
[11:49] <Riddell> Tm_T: I probably can although I'm not sure how
[11:49] <Tm_T> heh
[11:50] <Riddell> Tm_T: have you logged on?
[11:50] <Tm_T> I was going to move sddm comments from email discussions and here to card so it doesn't get lost
[11:50] <Tm_T> and yes I'm there as logged in user
[11:50] <Tm_T> Tm T (tmt1)
[11:50] <Tm_T> don't know why it did pull that 1 there
[11:52] <Riddell> Tm_T: I think I just added you
[11:52] <Tm_T> you did, thanks (:
[11:55] <soee> uh oh add kde-telepathy to todos :)
[11:57] <Riddell> if the kde-telepathy developers work out when it'll get released
[11:57] <Riddell> although there is 0.9 we need to do
[11:57] <Tm_T> btw do we have any Kubuntistas in London area?
[11:58] <Riddell> don't think so
[12:00]  * Riddell upgrades to vivid
[12:00] <sgclark> Riddell: still have to finish patch manpages to submit upstream.. this surely needs to be tested please kfunk https://launchpad.net/~sgclark/+archive/ubuntu/kubuntu/+packages qwt...
[12:01] <sgclark> vivid is in a usable state?
[12:02] <soee> Riddell: yes i was talking about 0.9
[12:02] <Riddell> sgclark: I guess I'll soon find out :)
[12:03] <sgclark> lol
[12:03] <Riddell> sgclark: remind me again what manpages to submit upstream are?
[12:03]  * sgclark waits
[12:03] <sgclark> Riddell: oh a mile of manpage lintian errors and the manpages are indeed broken in that qwt package.
[12:04] <kfunk> sgclark: testing
[12:04] <sgclark> Riddell: so I am making a patch to submit upstream, but fighting with quilt was making this package take way to long, so at least it can be tested in the meantime
[12:04] <sgclark> thanks kfunk, may be a second for it to publish
[12:05] <kfunk> hm?
[12:05] <Riddell> sgclark: he's still testing! don't publish yet it might still blow up his machine!
[12:05] <sgclark> kfunk: wait a few, the successful build has not published sorry, I was too quick on asking to test
[12:05] <Riddell> oh I see
[12:06] <Riddell> it might still blow up launchpad
[12:08] <kfunk> hm. weird. installing libqwt-dev from there wants me to instal qtbase5-gles-dev
[12:09] <kfunk> installing that one results in a lot of "unmet dependencies"
[12:09] <kfunk> (which then tries to remove qtcreator and friends)
[12:09] <sgclark> it would not build without that dep
[12:09] <sgclark> ack
[12:09] <sgclark> well
[12:09] <sgclark> I can disable opengl support..
[12:10] <Riddell> hang on gles is arm only generally
[12:10] <sgclark> strange thing is it would build without gles on pbuilder and chroot but not launchpad
[12:10] <sgclark> kept barfing
[12:10] <Riddell> so don't build with gles on normal architectures use normal gl
[12:12] <sgclark> Riddell: no qt5 opengl that I can see
[12:12] <kfunk> yep. I think depending on gles doesn't make sense here altogether
[12:12] <kfunk> libqt5opengl5-dev <- sgclark
[12:13] <sgclark> thans
[12:44] <sgclark> kfunk: new and improved qwt ready
[12:44] <Riddell> \o/
[12:50] <kfunk> sgclark: qwt.prf ends up in the wrong directory
[12:50] <kfunk> it's now /usr/share/qt5/mkspecs/features/qwt.prf, but should be in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/mkspecs/features/
[12:50] <kfunk> not sure how to fix that within qwt's build system, however
[12:51] <kfunk> maybe that needs post-patching the install location in the deb
[12:52] <kfunk> sgclark: second concern: are you sure you can call that "libqwt6"? won't that clash with the Qt4 version?
[12:53] <sgclark> kfunk: are they suppose to be coinstallable? Riddell: ideas? ^
[12:54] <sgclark> kfunk: looking into prf issue
[12:54] <kfunk> sgclark: I've got no clue how to handle these kind of things at a package manager level :/
[12:54] <sgclark> kfunk: this package has been a learning experience for me... I am used to KDE packages
[12:55] <sgclark> thanks for testing though
[13:03] <Riddell> sgclark: I've no idea depends on how it's set up
[13:03] <Riddell> sgclark: is it 1 source which can compile as both qt4 and qt5 ?
[13:09] <sgclark> Riddell: looks like 6.1+ does support both
[13:09]  * shadeslayer pulls his hair out
[13:10] <kfunk> libqwt6-qt5 and libqwt6?
[13:11] <kfunk> at least that's the convention in ubuntu land, isn't it?
[13:13] <Riddell> yep
[13:13] <sgclark> ok
[13:13] <Riddell> and rename the source to upload twice
[13:13] <sgclark> still have to work out .prf.
[13:13] <Riddell> assuming we still want the qt4 version
[13:14] <Riddell> that's a file for qmake, put it in -dev
[13:14] <sgclark> quilt hates me
[13:14] <Riddell> what are you patching?
[13:16]  * Riddell looks at telepathy 0.9.0
[13:18] <sgclark> Riddell: patching out the qwtconfig.pro that is putting the prf files in the wrong place and instead trying -spec switch to qmake instead unless you have a better idea?
[13:19] <Riddell> with qmake I rarely have good ideas
[13:20] <sgclark> ok, giving this a shot.
[13:30] <kfunk> Qwt has a weird build system anyway
[13:30] <sgclark> ugh
[13:30] <kfunk> you need to touch .pro files in order to actually modify behavior
[13:30] <kfunk> *shrug*
[13:31] <sgclark> yeah don't think this is going to work.
[13:31]  * sgclark thinks
[13:34] <sgclark> kfunk: right, but getting into ARCH dependent variable in the pro file is where things are going wrong. The options they provided do not have that result. So I need to find some system level variable, My knowledge is not that great on this stuff yet. But I am determined...
[13:41] <Riddell> sgclark: would it work to just move the .pro files after build in the .install files ?
[13:41] <Riddell> d_ed: ktp fail http://paste.kde.org/pkff1iedc
[13:42] <sgclark> Riddell: if all else fails, that is the plan
[13:42] <Riddell> sgclark: where it wanting to put them?
[13:44] <Riddell> sgclark: did you say you'd updated libkpeople?
[13:45] <sgclark> Riddell: /usr/local/qwt-6.1.1/features which I knew was wrong so I put in with all the other mkspecs, but kfunk says that is wrong so I am trying to put in the ARCh dependent lib directory, it is the ARCH bit that is fumbling me, but I will get it. somehow
[13:49] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: you've done libkpeople?
[13:51] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Not yet, have KDE Symbols mismatch to patch, will try to build again this evening
[13:53] <Riddell> ah cool
[13:53] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: what made you do libkpeople? was it needed for something?
[13:53] <Sick_Rimmit> sgclark: Picked it up from Launchpad I believe
[13:54] <Riddell> ok cool
[13:54] <sgclark> Riddell: had a needs-packaging tag
[13:54] <Sick_Rimmit> I think the reason for that, was it would be a good starter for me
[13:54] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: well now I need it for kde-telepathy 0.9.0 so don't let me down :)
[13:54] <Riddell> yeah I just want to make sure we're not duplicating work
[13:54] <Riddell> I've just compiled it locally for now without any packaging
[13:55] <sgclark> bleh forgot to update bug to in-progreess, sorry
[13:55] <Riddell> oh maybe I should do that for a kde-telepathy bug
[13:56] <sgclark> Sick_Rimmit: a note for future packages :) ^ update launchpad bug if there is one
[13:56] <kfunk> sgclark:
[13:56] <kfunk> QWT_INSTALL_FEATURES  = $${QWT_INSTALL_PREFIX}/features
[13:56] <kfunk> # QWT_INSTALL_FEATURES  = $$[QT_INSTALL_PREFIX]/features
[13:56] <kfunk> in qwtconfig.pri
[13:56] <kfunk> you probably need to switch these
[13:56] <sgclark> kfunk: been there, it puts it in /usr/features...
[13:56] <kfunk> crap
[13:57] <sgclark> heh
[13:57] <sgclark> I am going to try and export the QMAKESPEC variable before build, wish me luck heh
[13:57] <Riddell> I'd be tempting to just move it in the .install file
[13:58] <kfunk> yeah.
[13:59] <kfunk> didn't you have the same issue for the qt4 version?
[13:59]  * sgclark has never packaged this before
[13:59] <kfunk> hm, there /usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/features/ is correct
[14:01] <rdieter> sgclark: I came up with this for fedora's qwt packaging, http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/qwt.git/tree/qwt-6.1.0-qt_install_paths.patch
[14:02] <kfunk> fun...
[14:04] <sgclark> kfunk: sorry, so was my original location right?
[14:04] <kfunk> sgclark: nope.
[14:05] <sgclark> rdieter: yeah I tried that one but for unknown reasons it put it in /usr/features
[14:05] <kfunk> qt4: /usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/features/, qt5: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/mkspecs/features
[14:05] <sgclark> kfunk: what did you mean by this then [06:59] <kfunk> hm, there /usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/features/ is correct
[14:05] <kfunk> sgclark: that in qt4-times, mkspecs/features resided in /usr/share apparently.
[14:05] <sgclark> ahh ok
[14:06] <kfunk> but for qt5, that changed. not sure if that's Ubuntu's fault, or upstream
[14:06] <rdieter> sgclark: odd, it works ok for me
[14:06]  * rdieter checks code
[14:07] <rdieter> sgclark: apparently your qt build doesnt define QMAKE_MKSPECS ?
[14:07] <sgclark> I will try again rdieter: honestly I have tried so many things I might be confused haha
[14:07] <rdieter> qmake -query QMAKE_MKSPECS  ??
[14:07] <sgclark> I think possibly that may have been it, echo $QMAKE_MKSPECS turns up empty
[14:08] <rdieter> for qt4 on fedora, I get: /usr/lib/qt4/mkspecs
[14:08] <rdieter> for you, it *should* say,  /usr/share/qt4/mkspecs
[14:08] <sgclark> so there question is, where is that variable suppose to get set?
[14:09] <rdieter> qmake
[14:09] <sgclark> this is qt5
[14:09] <kfunk> qt5's qmake no longer defines that variable
[14:09] <kfunk> check 'qmake -query'
[14:09] <rdieter> bleh, ok
[14:09] <rdieter> ok so $$[QMAKE_MKSPECS]/features isn't going to work for qt5 obviously
[14:09] <sgclark> **Unknown**
[14:11] <sgclark> gosh no mkspecs in there at all
[14:11]  * sgclark sighs
[14:11] <kfunk> should use QT_HOST_DATA for Qt5
[14:11] <kfunk> QT_HOST_DATA:/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5
[14:12] <sgclark> genious. thanks kfunk
[14:12] <rdieter> so $$[QT_HOST_DATA]/mkspecs/features
[14:12] <rdieter> of course, *that* doesn't work for qt4
[14:12] <sgclark> yeah, we are splitting to 2 packages
[14:13]  * rdieter goes to whine in #qt
[14:13] <sgclark> hehe
[14:13] <kfunk> rdieter: go to whine at #qwt, if it exists
[14:13] <kfunk> :)
[14:13] <kfunk> seriously, their build system is a mess
[14:14] <rdieter> yes, I got qwt upstream to include proper pkgconfig support recently, maybe this can be the next step
[14:35] <shadeslayer> jmux: what do you guys used to manage your deb repos btw?
[14:47]  * sgclark grumbles at the new p[ile of lintian errors caused by renaming to qt5
[14:50] <Riddell> turns out that kde telepathy is a beast
[14:50] <Riddell> maybe I should have merged qt4 instead :)
[14:50] <sgclark> well
[14:50] <sgclark> I think I ended up with twice the work doing that
[14:52]  * sgclark cries
[14:53] <Riddell> doing what?
[14:54] <sgclark>  package-name-doesnt-match-sonames libqwt6 libqwtmathml6
[14:54] <sgclark> used the qt4 version as a base for this
[14:56] <Riddell> oh but that's fine if you have renamed it to add -qt5 or something onto the name
[14:56] <Riddell> just ignore it
[14:56] <sgclark> ok
[14:58] <jmux> shadeslayer: DAK - heavy patched
[14:58] <shadeslayer> :S
[15:00] <jmux> so it supports multiple repositories and I can run "updates" against external repositories, which will show new versions and I can decide which packages I want to copy to my current release
[15:01] <jmux> ~10 years ago this was the best to use with multiple people
[15:02] <ScottK> Riddell: Then we've got a few weeks to figure it out.
[15:03] <jmux> shadeslayer: we tried a local launchpad version (also patched), but AFAIK search was / is implemented via a Google appliance rendering it kind of useless without.
[15:03] <shadeslayer> I see
[15:04]  * shadeslayer is trying to figure out why reprepro doesn't want to accept --confdir
[15:04] <jmux> That was ~6 years ago.
[15:04] <Riddell> ScottK: what what?
[15:04] <ScottK> Riddell: Re Qt5 version.
[15:05] <ScottK> Need to be able to tell Canonical PS what version we want by UOS.
[15:05] <Riddell> ScottK: when is that again?
[15:05] <ScottK> Uh.  2 or 3 weeks.
[15:05]  * ScottK looks
[15:05] <shadeslayer> oh hah
[15:05] <shadeslayer> now it works
[15:05] <shadeslayer> stupid thing
[15:06] <ScottK> Starts 12 Nov.
[15:06] <ScottK> So two weeks.
[15:06] <jmux> shadeslayer: We use reprepro for our "PPA"s. I wanted to have a look at aptly.
[15:06] <shadeslayer> oh yeah aptly is cool
[15:06] <shadeslayer> I sent them a few PR's recently :P
[15:07] <jmux> Have to leave for an other meeting
[15:07] <shadeslayer> cya
[15:12] <Riddell> ScottK: the problem is that neither plasma nor kubuntu nor canonical have much of an opinion on what's best and what's reasonable
[15:12] <Riddell> ScottK: qt 5.4 would be good for plasma for some stuff in kwin but nobody in plasma wants to make distros do what isn't reasonable
[15:12] <ScottK> Right.
[15:12] <Riddell> but if it's easy to do 5.4 I think that would please everyone
[15:12] <ScottK> Yeah.
[15:14] <ScottK> I guess we ought to discuss it and see if 5.4 is reasonable.
[15:15] <Riddell> I did discuss it a bit with Mirv
[15:15] <ScottK> OK.  What did he say?
[15:16] <Riddell> that a decision was still to be made I think
[15:16] <ScottK> We should have a UOS session then.  If we want 5.4, then i think it'd make sense to get the RC into the archive ASAP once it's released.
[15:17] <ScottK> (schedule 18 Nov)
[15:18] <Riddell> but.. if we have qt 5.4 and plasma dudes decide to stay back at qt 5.3 them trouble will ensue
[15:18] <Riddell> rdieter: hey useful other distro person, does fedora have any opinion on what version of qt plasma 5.2 should use? qt 5.3 or qt 5.4?
[15:21] <ScottK> Debian's going to release with 5.3, but I don't see a lot of value in sticking with it because of that.
[15:21] <ScottK> I think for our purposes we want to pace Qt5 as closely as possible.
[15:21] <Riddell> are they going to release with plasma 5?
[15:22] <ScottK> No
[15:22] <Riddell> so not very relevant
[15:22] <ScottK> Yes.
[15:22] <Riddell> and kubuntu is releasing in april by which time qt 5.4 will be old and people will wonder why we're shipping qt 5.3 if that's what we choose to do
[15:22] <ScottK> True.
[15:22] <ScottK> Also, if we get Qt5.4 RC in early, we can still influence the final if there are problems.
[15:24] <Riddell> I'll ask on the release-team list what packagers of other distros think
[15:24] <Riddell> kde list
[15:27] <ScottK> Thanks.
[15:30] <sgclark> kfunk: qwt-qt5 ready, will likely have to remove the other one.
[15:33] <Riddell> sgclark: remove qwt for qt4? what's the overlapping files?
[15:33] <sheytan> apachelogger: heyo dude!
[15:34] <sheytan> you're here?
[15:34] <sgclark> Riddell: nah, the qwt in my ppa
[15:34] <Riddell> ah
[15:38] <ScottK> sgclark: IIRC, qwt is pretty under maintained in Debian, so there's an opportunity to contribute there I believe.
[15:39] <sgclark> ScottK: I worked hard on it! that would be wonderful. I need to finish up the manpage patch though
[15:41] <sgclark> and qt4 I guess lol ugh
[15:42] <ScottK> Are you doing qwt5 or qwt (which is qwt6)?
[15:42] <sgclark> qwt6
[15:43] <sgclark> which according to the website supports both qt4 and qt5
[15:44] <ScottK> I would suggest emailing the maintainer and seeing if he'd like help (he's not very active, so either he won't reply or he'll say yes).  Then once you're ready and he's replied, we can see about an upload to Debian Experimental.
[15:45] <sgclark> ScottK: ok, I will work on that, thanks
[15:45] <Riddell> d_ed: do you have an opinion on this patch to ktp-text-ui? http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/kde-extras/kde-telepathy/ktp-text-ui.git/tree/debian/patches/02_ktpchat_soversion.diff
[15:45] <ScottK> feel free to tell him I pointed you at him.
[15:45] <sgclark> Thanks!
[15:47] <ScottK> It's too late for Jessie (they freeze for release in a week and are much stricter about letting things in than Ubuntu), but still worth doing.
[15:52] <kfunk> sgclark: I can confirm the package works!
[15:52] <kfunk> just compiled my test project against it
[15:52] <sgclark> yipee!
[15:53] <sgclark> thanks for testing kfunk!
[15:53] <kfunk> np
[15:53] <kfunk> thanks for providing the package :)
[15:53] <sgclark> np :) I learned alot with it lol
[15:54] <Riddell> http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/releasing/2014-October/001848.html ScottK qt 5.4 Final Release 2nd Dec 2014
[15:54] <Riddell> and 5.5 Final Release 28th April 2015
[15:54] <kfunk> sgclark: any ETA when this will arrive the repos?
[15:54] <ScottK> Thanks.  They should update their web site.
[15:54] <ScottK> Oh, not that matches.
[15:55] <ScottK> not/no
[15:55] <sgclark> well manpages are broken so I would like to fix that first
[15:55]  * Riddell wonders what manpages qwt has
[15:55] <sgclark> tons
[15:55]  * kfunk too
[15:56] <ScottK> qtwebengine seems like trouble though.
[15:56] <d_ed> Riddell: patch is fine, seems rather pointless given we're the only people using that lib
[15:58] <Riddell> unversioned libraries in /usr/lib make packagers squirm
[15:58] <sgclark> 145 manpages
[15:59] <Riddell> tsdgeos: ScottK points out that in discussions before it's been said it's possible to have qt 5.4 in /opt even if the default packages are in /usr
[15:59] <ScottK> Last time we had a serious discussion on Qt5 management, Canonical agreed that if they wanted a different version than we did, they'd stash there's somewhere out of the way like that.
[15:59] <ScottK> I think it was /opt.
[16:02]  * Riddell syncs qt-gstreamer 1.2.0 which uses gstreamer 1.0 and thus breaks kamoso
[16:28] <bukai_> Riddell: Hi, I am unable to access the server suddenly!
[16:28] <Riddell> bukai_: works for me
[16:28] <Riddell> bukai_: what are you trying?
[16:31] <bukai_> Riddell:  It worked for me too, I tried to open a file using kate it falied showed a broken pipe error message and after that i could not login using<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:32] <bukai_> Riddell: It's working again :)
[16:32] <Riddell> glitch in the matrix
[16:32] <Riddell> sorry I need to run off
[16:33] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: kde telepathy done just waiting on you to do libkpeople! (both in vivid and utopic)
[16:33]  * Riddell out
[16:37] <rdieter> Riddell: wrt plasma-5.2, qt-5.4 is fine with me (I've already received 2 requests to backport crash fixes from 5.4.x to our 5.3.x packaging)
[19:15] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you see the SRU stuff in #u-meeting2 (tb meeting)?
[19:53] <soee> Riddell: ping


[05:43] <dax> (my bad, typoed a bit)
 Yes my Godness, i have a Problem with a Bug the UbuntuStudio-Backports PPA.
 After install that @ my Laptop some off the Keys does not work.
[09:58] <AppAraat[m]> Eickmeyer: test succeeded?
[12:30] <ChiLLabiS> Hi! Can anyone recommend a good usb-soundcard working with Ubuntu/LMMS?
[12:32] <ChiLLabiS> Would this work with Ubuntu? https://www.thomann.de/se/behringer_u_phoria_umc22.htm
[12:32] <ChiLLabiS> Kinda low on cash so something cheap would do
[12:39] <ChiLLabiS> This one then? https://www.thomann.de/se/behringer_ucg102.htm
[13:19] <ChiLLabiS> I just going to record guitar
[13:20] <ChiLLabiS> I'm*
 I love the abyss of UbuntuStudio!! GGGRRRRR
[15:48] <Eickmeyer> @Rogman: Chill. If you're having difficulty and nobody is helping you, it might be because nobody knows the answer to your question. Nobody is obligated to help you, we're all volunteers.
[15:48] <Eickmeyer> !patience
[15:49] <ChiLLabiS> Eickmeyer: I know, but thank you for the reminder! :)
 Rogman Quickly looking over your issue, you might have to remove everything xfce-related in ~/.config and see if that helps (it'll restore from the defaults). The big change that happened is that the multimedia key handler (xfce4-volumed) got replaced starting in 19.10 and that was backported.
[15:51] <Eickmeyer> ChiLLabiS: I use a Behringer UMC404HD and it works just fine. What you are looking at should also work. :)
 @ChiLLabiS [<ChiLLabiS> Hi! Can anyone recommend a good usb-soundcard working with Ubuntu/LM …], I use a Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 an it works fine with Ubuntu. I never try out LMMS but with Bitwig!!
 @Eickmeyer [<Eickmeyer> @Rogman: Chill. If you're having difficulty and nobody is helping yo …], Yes Sorry! I had to reinstall my laptop's operating system and now many things no longer work! … I can´t install Dropbox??!
 @Rogman [Yes Sorry! I had to reinstall my laptop's operating system and now many things n …], What "things"?
[16:14] <AppAraat[m]> eickmeyer[m]: I can see your messages just fine, but I'm connected to IRC thru Matrix
[16:15] <AppAraat[m]> Ah
 @Eickmeyer [Rogman Quickly looking over your issue, you might have to remove everything xfce …], OK, I'll try the new version. Is it recommended to install the Backport ppa or not?
 @Rogman [OK, I'll try the new version. Is it recommended to install the Backport ppa or n …], The Backport PPA isn't available for 19.10 yet. Also, I'm beginning to recommend this way for LTS since 19.10 will transition to 20.04 LTS than 18.04 will.
 Transition smoother, that is.
 @Eickmeyer [The Backport PPA isn't available for 19.10 yet. Also, I'm beginning to recommend …], Danke!! 😉
 @Eickmeyer [What "things"?], It is no longer possible to install Dropbox. I get error messages that my laptop does not have the right prerequisites.
 Odd. Might be a question for #ubuntu on freenode or askubuntu.com. We specialize in the stuff that makes it "Studio" here, not much more.
 @Eickmeyer [Odd. Might be a question for #ubuntu on freenode or askubuntu.com. We specialize …], Yepp!
[18:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> Test


[00:03] <shauno> read that as 'for 11 years' :(
[00:05] <maps|wrk> lol
[00:05] <maps|wrk> 11 years ..cant afford that much time off;p
[00:07] <maps|wrk> grmpf
[00:14] <bigcalm> shauno: ta for pdfunite. Yes it was installed. Possibly from the last time I needed to join up my pay slips as well :)
[00:15] <pooky2483186> Can anyone help me, I'm currently using web based irc and have Quassel installed and dont know how to find this irc in Quassel?
[00:15] <daftykins> "find this IRC" ?
[00:15] <daftykins> as in connect to freenode?
[00:16] <pooky2483186> There i a search bar but on ehtering something, nothing happens!
[00:16] <bigcalm> pooky2483186: a good GUI IRC client is xchat. You can then connect to freenode and then #ubunutu-uk
[00:17] <bigcalm> Ah, Quassel is another IRC client
[00:17]  * bigcalm goes to sleep
[00:17] <pooky2483186> will just have a look if its in muon (im using Kubuntu)
[00:19] <pooky2483186> found and just installing it now
[00:19] <maps|wrk> :D
[00:21] <pooky2483186> leaving web based IRC and attempting to join using xchat...
[00:25] <maps|wrk> hm wonder what happened
[00:27] <pooky248321> I'm back, it's quite hard to get the hang of...
[00:28] <pooky248321> Easier than Quassel tho'
[00:28] <pooky248321>  I'm back, it's quite hard to get the hang of...
[00:31] <pooky248321> Anyone here?
[00:31] <maps|wrk> hey pooky248321
[00:31] <pooky248321> hi
[00:32] <maps|wrk> youve got 2 sessions open it seems!
[00:32] <pooky248321> just going to get back out of thw web version...
[00:32] <maps|wrk> ah
[00:32] <maps|wrk> ;]
[00:32] <pooky248321> has the other one gone?
[00:32] <maps|wrk> ya
[00:33] <pooky248321> just seen it above in this window
[00:33] <pooky248321> first time I've ventured onto IRC
[00:33] <maps|wrk> O_o
[00:34] <pooky248321> brings back memories of going on BBS'es in the 90's lol
[00:34] <maps|wrk> lol
[00:34] <maps|wrk> not a new nerd then:D
[00:34] <maps|wrk> some people i know..infact most haven't even heard of IRC let alone BBS
[00:34] <pooky248321> nope, I got started with a ZX-81 lol
[00:34] <pooky248321> my dad got me hooked on computing
[00:34] <maps|wrk> on xubuntu now or was it kubuntu you said?
[00:35] <pooky248321> K
[00:35] <maps|wrk> ah xubuntu here=]
[00:35] <pooky248321> I first switched from XP to Ubuntu (11.10)
[00:35] <maps|wrk> I use XP at work still ;/
[00:36] <pooky248321> I tried it on CD first and loved it so much I instantly decied to wipe XP
[00:36] <maps|wrk> windows 7 on  my  netbook ( mapps ) and Linux on my desktop
[00:36] <maps|wrk> well
[00:36] <maps|wrk> im running xubuntu on a real  old machine..and im running apache/openvpn/mariadb/qwebirc (which im using now through apache)
[00:36] <maps|wrk> shoutcast etc
[00:36] <daftykins> win7 netbook, ouch
[00:37] <maps|wrk> pff
[00:37] <maps|wrk> it works fine
[00:37] <maps|wrk> :D
[00:37] <daftykins> how much RAM?
[00:37] <pooky248321> My machine is 8 years old
[00:37] <maps|wrk> had it 4 years? honestly dont think its been off more than a few hours takje iut hoime its on take it abroad battery then plug
[00:37] <maps|wrk> 2gig daftykins
[00:37] <pooky248321> startes with 1Gb then up to 3 and then over to Ubuntu so upgraded to the max 8Gb
[00:37] <daftykins> ah, almost bearable then
[00:37] <maps|wrk> hey pooky248321  my dell desktop running xubuntu is prob about 8/9 yrs old:p but it runs everything i said above and works fine..sits there chugging away;p
[00:38] <pooky248321> I cant believe how good 'buntu is
[00:38] <pooky248321> I remember using 'nix back in the early 90's
[00:38] <pooky248321> while doing a programming course
[00:39] <maps|wrk> think rh was first i used
[00:39] <pooky248321> and the terminal 'way' stuck in my head and prevented me from switching until an old schoolmate persuaded me to try it
[00:40] <pooky248321> best thing I did, would have cost me £1200 to go Win7
[00:40] <maps|wrk> well yea way more flexibility
[00:41] <maps|wrk> lol  checked my auth.log same IP trying ssh every 10mins
[00:41] <maps|wrk> <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:41] <pooky248321> I used to live in fear of the BSOD lol
[00:41] <maps|wrk> might just block it outright now..fai2vban wont pick it up[ as it's only once every 10mins or so
[00:43] <maps|wrk> =]
[00:43] <pooky248321> Hey, I just remembered, I've got some Xubuntu stickers
[00:43] <maps|wrk> i had ubuntu ones
[00:43] <maps|wrk> got them on my case;p
[00:43] <pooky248321> BTW, I'm System76's uk Ubuntu sticker outlet
[00:44] <pooky248321> A contact in US sent me some
[00:44] <pooky248321> Already sent 1 lot to a girl
[00:44] <pooky248321> got 3 left
[00:45] <maps|wrk> nice
[00:45] <pooky248321> theyre good quality ones
[00:45] <maps|wrk> mine are wearing away had them on the pc for years
[00:45] <maps|wrk> authentic old heh
[00:45] <pooky248321> which ones? K or X
[00:45] <pooky248321> sorry, U or X
[00:46] <maps|wrk> PLain generic U
[00:46] <maps|wrk> hmm having trouble with my shellinabox
[00:46] <pooky248321> If you want, just send me a SAE and I will send back with new stickers
[00:46] <maps|wrk> :D brb just gotta restart chrome
[00:46] <pooky248321> OK
[00:51] <pooky248321> ...
[00:54] <maps|wrk> back
[00:56] <pooky248321> Hi
[00:57] <pooky248321> just been looking at the other IRC program and I need to enter server address for irc.freenode.com but dont know where to get it?
[00:58] <maps|wrk> dude
[00:58] <maps|wrk> irc.freenode.net is the address
[00:58] <pooky248321> lol
[00:58] <pooky248321> it's all new to me ...
[00:58] <daftykins> nah it's not really
[00:59] <pooky248321> [facepalm]
[00:59] <daftykins> there's a proper 'chatsomething' .freenode.net that gives you the proper server rotation i think
[00:59] <daftykins> chat.freenode.net
[00:59] <daftykins> there we go
[01:00] <maps|wrk> gah but daftykins  irc.freenode would do;p
[01:00] <daftykins> nah-uh!
[01:00] <maps|wrk> its what i connect to:) then it connects elsewhere
[01:00] <pooky248321> I'll have to explore them laters
[01:01] <pooky248321> On abt the stickers, it you want more, just look on system76's web site for my address
[01:01] <pooky248321> or
[01:01] <maps|wrk> thanks
[01:01] <pooky248321> ask me
[01:02] <daftykins> look at this, shutdown the two office PCs and as if by magic - http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/de004f24c8feb5d8408d296a9ed65fc5.html
[01:02] <daftykins> i can't think what the hell was going on
[01:02] <maps|wrk> hm
[01:02] <pooky248321> I also advertise the fat that I give away the stickers on my G+, twitter and fb accounts
[01:03] <maps|wrk> im wondering whats going on my end too
[01:03] <pooky248321> *fact
[01:03] <maps|wrk> diddledan:  and someone could traceroute to me hops with *** and when i traceroute anywhere loads of *** hops and not reaching the ip!!
[01:06] <pooky248321> I'll make a note of chat.freenode.net and try it later
[01:06] <maps|wrk> i dont have time for g+/twitter/facebook ..id be tio overwhlemed with irc too
[01:06] <maps|wrk> daftykins:  you use any?
[01:06] <pooky248321> I dont go on them very much, cant be bothered most of the time, too much else to do
[01:07] <daftykins> i've a facebook account where i put holiday pics up for friends, sometimes receive messages from friends who are now moved and marrying out as far as Australia, but can't stand it personally
[01:07] <daftykins> i avoid it as much as possible
[01:07] <daftykins> G+ i'm avoiding signing up to aaaaand twitter i find just a bit daft
[01:08] <pooky248321> anyways, as my address is already in the public domain (system76) it's...
[01:08] <daftykins> although i'm finding a lot of online services have service status twitter feeds that could be quite useful
[01:08] <pooky248321> P Maddison
[01:08] <pooky248321> The Bungalow
[01:08] <pooky248321> Bradley STreet
[01:08] <pooky248321> DERBY
[01:08] <pooky248321> DE22 1GL
[01:08] <maps|wrk> yea i agree daftykins  for service status and companies can be good but the selfies and boring statuses
[01:08] <maps|wrk> are utterly useless
[01:08] <pooky248321> I find twatter boring too
[01:08] <daftykins> seems twitter is used for local events too, which i had no idea about
[01:09] <daftykins> i often wonder how my friends know some things are going on locally that i don't
[01:09] <pooky248321> yeahm there are <some> good local feeds
[01:09] <daftykins> e.g. cakes sold in the market (area of town, here) on Fridays :O
[01:09] <pooky248321> even the police 'tweet' lol
[01:09] <maps|wrk> yep
[01:09] <maps|wrk> as do TFL
[01:09] <maps|wrk> tfl have a social media dept for busses/trains etc
[01:10] <maps|wrk> and sure ok i can kinda see that being of some use
[01:10] <pooky248321> I've even seen some small businesses in Derby use twitter too
[01:11] <pooky248321> ..and the Council
[01:11] <maps|wrk> I like howq people are regarded as
[01:11] <maps|wrk> 'social media experts'
[01:11] <maps|wrk> 'social media strategist;
[01:11] <maps|wrk> like..uh seriously
[01:12] <pooky248321> they think theyre instant experts...
[01:12] <maps|wrk> yea
[01:12] <daftykins> they're always the lairy types that get themselves fired from jobs for tweeting about their speeding ;)
[01:12] <daftykins> anyway must sleep, g'night \o
[01:12] <maps|wrk> remember the young police so who tweeted about taking drugs and stuff lol
[01:12] <maps|wrk> clowns
[01:13] <pooky248321> s'ok, nice chatting.
[01:13] <maps|wrk> work in the am daftykins ?
[01:13] <pooky248321> dont forget to send for some free stickers
[01:13] <pooky248321> :-)
[01:13] <daftykins> maps|wrk: well i may need to go investigate why that small office's connection mystically pings nicely now that the two office PCs are off
[01:13] <pooky248321> don't remember that one, when was that>
[01:13] <maps|wrk> uh im sure youve checked
[01:14] <maps|wrk> but malware some kinda bot draining the bw?
[01:14] <daftykins> looked all clean to me
[01:15] <maps|wrk> always quiet here after midnight :)
[01:16] <daftykins> check out ##club-nomicon if you want a bit of all-time activity
[01:16] <daftykins> not exactly on-message though
[01:16] <maps|wrk> quick q
[01:16] <maps|wrk> http://www.computersecuritystudent.com/UNIX/UBUNTU/1204/lesson14/index.214.jpg
[01:16] <maps|wrk> see that? what are those kinda menus referred to
[01:16] <maps|wrk> console based menu? text based hm
[01:17] <maps|wrk> referred to as even
[01:17] <pooky248321> I'm gonna pop off now, gotta get some sleep, may be back later today testing IRC
[01:17] <daftykins> hmm, 'tis the kinda options you get when configuring a package
[01:17] <maps|wrk> cya pooky248321
[01:17] <daftykins> the dpkg-reconfigure type
[01:17] <maps|wrk> yea in this case its just an informational thing
[01:17] <daftykins> not sure on a proper way to refer
[01:17] <maps|wrk> i just wondered what theyre known as:)
[01:18] <maps|wrk> something for me to google and search
[01:18] <maps|wrk> during my boredom heh
[01:18] <daftykins> :>
[01:19] <maps|wrk> anyway yea cya ..only be me still awake
[01:19] <maps|wrk> :D
[01:19] <pooky248321> nite all....
[01:19] <daftykins> \o
[02:46] <maps|wrk> hm
[06:45] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:25] <jussi> morning all, morning MooDoo
[07:25] <jussi> this is interesting
[07:25] <jussi> http://www.osvehicle.com/
[07:59] <mapps> hmmm
[07:59] <mapps> maybe  www.toyota.co.th has been exploited
[08:00] <mapps> <IP_ADDRESS> - - [05/Mar/2014:06:51:30 +0000] "GET /phpTest/zologize/axa.php HT                                   TP/1.1" 404 222
[08:01] <jussi> wfm...
[08:01] <jussi> maybe you have been exploited...  ?  :P
[09:10] <bashrc> ideally I should maybe have irssi running as a daemon so that I'm permanently logged in
[09:11] <MooDoo> I just leave mine running in a screen session on my server that I ssh too
[09:11] <bashrc> yeah I should probably do that too
[09:24] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy St Piran's Day! :-D
[09:24] <jussi> JamesTait: and just who was this saint Piranha?
[09:26] <JamesTait> jussi, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Piran%27s_Day
[09:26] <MartijnVdS> Piranhas in Cornwall?
[09:26] <jussi> ooh, patron saint of tin miners...
[09:27] <jussi> that deserves a play of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR5BiJCkZMI
[10:11] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:12] <bashrc> morning
[10:12] <MooDoo> morning
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> wn
[10:13] <MartijnVdS> argh!
[10:58] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:59] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[11:00] <jussi> its davmor2!!!
[11:00]  * jussi runs...
[11:03] <bigcalm> jussi: why are running towards davmor2?
[11:03] <jussi> bigcalm: no, you misunderstood... we are running _AWAY_ from davmor2 - he is a very scary man... :P :D
[11:04]  * jussi tacklehugs davmor2
[11:04] <diddledan> tacklehugging?! that's serious stuff right there!
[11:04] <jussi> diddledan: yep...  :D
[11:04]  * davmor2 stands here wondering why jussi is hugging his legs
[11:04] <MooDoo> you're all nutters
[11:05] <jussi> MooDoo: thanks for the compliment
[11:05] <davmor2> MooDoo: 'ow do
[11:05] <MooDoo> davmor2: gret lad
[11:06] <jussi> davmor2: Im not hugging your legs - in australian football a tackle cant be around the legs...  :D
[11:11] <davmor2> hahaha
[11:12] <jussi> davmor2: see, heres an illustration of my crazyness... I REALLY ACTUALLY *HUGGED* gord allot!
[11:13] <davmor2> jussi: yeah but did you take one of his Japanese sweets, you're not crazy till you have, man they did taste like they were sugar coated vomit didn't they bigcalm
[11:14] <diddledan> eww
[11:17] <jussi> davmor2: ok, I think I managed to avoid those, thank god
[11:17] <davmor2> jussi: :D
[11:18] <jussi> mind, we got a gift from a customer once, they were candies...  OUCH!1
[11:20] <bigcalm> Do not accept sweets from Allot
[11:21] <jussi> is gord still working at canonical ?
[11:22] <bigcalm> Haven't heard from him in ages
[11:24] <foobarry> nope
[11:25] <foobarry> he only used irc while canonical employee. i feel used :(
[11:25] <popey> no he didnt
[11:25] <popey> he was on irc long before he was at canonical
[11:25] <foobarry> i mean, he stopped after he left ;)
[11:26] <popey> he's not been "online" much at all
[11:27] <popey> I don't think he even runs Ubuntu at all anymore.
[11:27] <foobarry> wow
[11:27] <foobarry> what else is there?
[11:27] <popey> well indeed
[11:27] <bigcalm> !rat
[11:28] <bigcalm> Time to organise one for this year
[11:28] <bigcalm> Anybody interested?
[11:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> yes
[11:29] <bigcalm> Do we want to do September again?
[11:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> Why not run a short doodle poll for a few dates... Find out which is most popular
[11:29] <bigcalm> A what poll?
[11:30] <popey> doodle.com
[11:30] <popey> best way to find out what dates people can agree on
[11:30]  * bigcalm visits
[11:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> ZOMG! You'd not heard of doodle polls before bigcalm?
[11:30] <bigcalm> Correct
[11:32] <shauno> basically: ponies
[11:32] <jussi> I think the url speaks for itsself... http://www.boredpanda.com/funny-cats-dogs-stuck-furniture-animal-fails/
[11:38] <bigcalm> http://doodle.com/h7qqfhfk5gcp86ts
[11:39] <bigcalm> Not knowing when oggcamp might be is tricky
[11:40] <marxjohnson> bigcalm: If/when we discuss Oggcamp we do make an effort to avoid clashing with other community events
[11:40] <popey> you should spread that around the loco
[11:41] <bigcalm> popey: writing an email now
[11:41] <popey> \o/
[11:41] <diddledan> shauno: ponies?
[11:41] <bigcalm> marxjohnson: good to know :)
[11:41]  * jussi notes he is waiting for a pm from popey :)
[11:43] <popey> yeah, it's in progress
[11:48] <popey> sept 13 it is then. that was easy
[11:48] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:48] <bigcalm> Just the 3 of us?
[11:48] <bigcalm> Email sent to the list, hope it's adequate
[11:49] <popey> well you haven't filled it in yet, so only Alan's allowed currently
[11:49] <bigcalm> :P
[11:49] <bigcalm> Maybe I should have checked with Hayley 1st
[11:49] <bigcalm> Would hate not being able to attend after organising it
[11:50] <popey> nice url in the mail ☻
[11:50] <bigcalm> Oh ffs
[11:51] <bigcalm> Should have just copied it from the address bar, not the doodle page
[11:57] <bigcalm> Think I should tweet this or just keep it to here and the ml?
[11:58] <bigcalm> Oh, you've done it :)
[11:58] <popey> :D
[12:01] <MooDoo> YAY RAT!!!!!
[12:01] <MooDoo> not that I ever go to them lol
[12:01] <bigcalm> Heh
[12:02] <bigcalm> It's good to see your interest
[12:02] <MooDoo> I might even see if it's possible to go to this one.
[12:02] <davmor2> bigcalm: you don't want to tweet it, my god you'll attract the weirdos...... oh wait you mentioned it here too late :D
[12:03] <MooDoo> davmor2: oh shut it chief weirdo sir ;)
[12:04] <popey> anyone here on precise or saucy?
[12:04] <popey> or both ☻
[12:05]  * davmor2 looks in the other direction
[12:05] <bigcalm> If 13.10 is one of those, yes
[12:05] <nigelb> do you need a desktop or server?
[12:05] <bigcalm> I never keep track of the names
[12:05] <davmor2> popey: I might have both
[12:05] <foobarry> i'm on precise
[12:05] <foobarry> oh i'm on elementary..sorry
[12:06] <popey> davmor2: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7038169/ can you test that?
[12:06] <popey> well, anyone
[12:06] <popey> 13.10 or 12.04 based systems should work with the above instructions.
[12:07] <bigcalm> What's -s ?
[12:07] <bigcalm> Ah, simulate
[12:08] <popey> ya
[12:09] <bigcalm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7038182/
[12:09] <bigcalm> 13.10 desktop
[12:09] <davmor2> I can try flashing a device if you like
[12:10] <davmor2> popey: ^
[12:10] <davmor2> popey: I have a couple :)
[12:15] <popey> \o/ that worked, thanks bigcalm
[12:15] <popey> just need to test 12.04 now
[12:17] <davmor2> popey: doing that now
[12:17] <popey> ta
[12:17] <foobarry> http://pastebin.com/bSyBYMDX
[12:17] <diddledan> http://grahamcluley.com/2014/03/windows-xp-end-support
[12:18] <popey> thanks
[12:20] <davmor2> popey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7038206/  on precise
[12:20] <diddledan> I wonder how likely it is for xp-EOL to finally rid me of IE6 hell?
[12:20] <foobarry> didn't XP actually increase recentyl?
[12:21] <foobarry> sudo add-apt-repository -r ppa:popey/touch
[12:21] <foobarry> woops
[12:21] <davmor2> diddledan: just because microsoft aren't supporting it doesn't mean it won't remain installed on peoples systems :P
[12:22] <foobarry> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/05/windows_xp_market_share_grows_again/
[12:22] <diddledan> davmor2: just because I'm paranoid doens't mean they're NOT after me! :-p
[12:22] <davmor2> diddledan: sssssshhhhh they are I have the memo!
[12:23] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: your being paranoid and them being after you are unrelated variables :)
[12:25] <davmor2> popey: is that what you were after?  It looks like you will either need to include the android tools or link to the original phablet ppa first to ensure the android bits are in place :)
[12:25] <popey> the phablet ppa doesn't have android tools
[12:26] <davmor2> popey: I thought they did
[12:26] <bashrc> most people don't care about MS support anyway.  I rang up MS support once in a business capacity, but they weren't much use
[12:26] <popey> no, they're in the archive
[12:26] <popey> but not for 12.04
[12:26]  * popey adds that to the ppa
[12:26] <davmor2> popey: ah okay
[12:27] <awilkins> 'tis not support, 'tis security patches
[12:27] <bashrc> yes
[12:27] <davmor2> popey: let me remove this then and I'll try it again once it is all built
[12:27] <awilkins> Although I suppose my Windows machines stay pretty clean even though I never install a virus scanner on them
[12:27] <popey> k, ta
[12:27] <bashrc> but old XP systems accumulating malware is a good thing.  More potential Linux converts
[12:28] <diddledan> malware is never a good thing IMO
[12:28] <awilkins> I converted my dear old mum to Linux ages ago
[12:28] <awilkins> Alas, something broke her display drivers
[12:28] <MartijnVdS> I just switched a cousin to Ubuntu because of unfixable XP issues
[12:28] <bashrc> That's often the way it goes
[12:28] <awilkins> And she's been without a desktop for some weeks... I need to set up remote support for her next time I visit
[12:29] <awilkins> Port mapped through her router and such
[12:30] <jussi> awilkins: why bother? chrome remote desktop...
[12:31] <awilkins> jussi, That's the point - her desktop isn't loading, no X session, no chrome, nada
[12:31] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: \o/
[12:31] <jussi> awilkins: oh cripes... that bad...
[12:31] <awilkins> jussi, first port of call I need a SSH session to poke around in it
[12:31] <jussi> yup
[12:31] <awilkins> Well, I expect it will be when / if I visit her for Easter
[12:32] <awilkins> I did suggest videoconferencing support via her Galaxy Tab but that wasn't met with much enthusiasm
[12:32] <jussi> damn chrome has changed things! I want my applications back :(
[12:33] <jussi> awilkins: ssh access sounds much more fun...
[12:33] <MartijnVdS> jussi: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheyChangedItNowItSucks
[12:33] <jussi> MartijnVdS: exactly! :P
[12:33] <awilkins> jussi, I always put sshd on all my machines even if it's technically a security hole
[12:33] <awilkins> jussi, Not like there is a port mapped to it through my router
[12:34] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: I always configure my sshds to only accept keys and put my key in ~/.authorized_keys
[12:34] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, My router's sshd is configured like that
[12:34] <awilkins> The rest still accept password wuth
[12:34] <jussi> yeah, thats definitle the best way
[12:35] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, periodically try to get the servers at work configured like that too but they're all Windows bods here and they look at you a bit funny when you tell them to generate an SSH key
[12:35] <awilkins> And then put a blank passphrase on it (d'oh!)
[12:36] <jussi> so, youtube concert recommendation (and if you can find it in HD somewhere,  buy it) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dV6vbb1YqI&list=PL95B72524344FBA47
[12:37] <jussi> the description? "The year is 1985. It's sunset on Sydney Harbour. This is Midnight Oil, in concert on Goat Island."
[12:37] <popey> davmor2: try now, android-tools is there
[12:37] <davmor2> popey: will do
[12:37] <popey> davmor2: i lied, still building
[12:38] <popey> \o/ done
[12:40] <dogmatic69> Just upgraded to Virgins 152Mb line \o/
[12:40] <bigcalm> I just scrolled though the solar system
[12:40] <davmor2> dogmatic69: how much is that costing you?
[12:40] <bigcalm> So bored I am going back to to work
[12:41] <dogmatic69> davmor2:  with TV XL, phone and internet its £65
[12:42] <davmor2> dogmatic69: nice
[12:42] <bigcalm> Is the TiVo worth getting?
[12:42] <dogmatic69> davmor2:  I only had TV / internet at 100, was 75. They called and upgraded me, and lowered the price
[12:43] <dogmatic69> bigcalm:  tivo > sky
[12:43] <popey> wow, thats less than I'm paying for 60Mb
[12:43] <davmor2> dogmatic69: no virgin
[12:43] <popey> and XL
[12:43] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: we have the v+ hd box, is it worth getting the tivi?
[12:43] <bigcalm> tivi
[12:43] <bigcalm> tivo
[12:43] <bigcalm> Gah
[12:43] <dogmatic69> bigcalm:  depends I guess. I like that tivo is hackable...
[12:44] <dogmatic69> eg: insert 3TB drive on the 500GB model ;)
[12:44] <popey> davmor2: did it work? ☻
[12:44] <davmor2> popey: that's what I'm thinking, then I realised I have tivo, extra hd box, unlimited 07 calls,  caller id......
[12:44] <dogmatic69> and it records 3 channels while watching a 4th
[12:45] <davmor2> popey: update manager is doing it's think and locking up the apt channel give me a few and I'll get back to you
[12:45] <davmor2> s/think/thing
[12:45] <dogmatic69> bigcalm:  it also has a SOAP service, so you could change channels over network
[12:45] <davmor2> bigcalm: I love out tivo
[12:45] <davmor2> s/out/our
[12:46] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: heh, nutty
[12:46] <bigcalm> Found out that we'd lose our mates rates if we ever moved house. Guess we'll not be moving then
[12:47] <dogmatic69> lol
[12:47] <davmor2> bigcalm: it's easier to navigate, the thumbs up on favourites mean there is a constantly updating channel of shows you like and ones similar to the shows you like, perfect on a sunday when there is naff all on
[12:47] <dogmatic69> ye, the recomendations are pretty good
[12:47] <bigcalm> davmor2: that does sound good
[12:47] <dogmatic69> it just records random crap incase you are board
[12:53] <bigcalm> http://flappybraille.ndre.gr/
[12:53] <bigcalm> That's somewhat amusing
[12:54] <bigcalm> A larger version: http://ilesinge.itch.io/flappy-braille
[12:55] <jussi> I like the cloud service idea. cable company gives you some randomly huge space in its data center, and you can record whatever you want, and its all on the servers there. then you can watch it from whatever $device you have.  (actually I think its more they have one copy of everything and you get to mark the times in that to record, but yeah)
[12:55] <popey> haha, spooky, gord just tweeted at me ☻
[12:55] <jussi> popey: hehe
[12:56] <popey> https://twitter.com/gordallott/status/441195262141145088
[12:56] <bigcalm> He's alive!
[12:56] <davmor2> popey: looks to be working
[12:56] <foobarry> The BBC is considering making BBC Three a wholly online channel in an attempt to cut costs, according to reports.
[12:56] <bigcalm> Hah
[12:56] <foobarry> gord is alive!
[12:56] <jussi> popey: he is reading the logs! :P
[12:56] <MartijnVdS> popey: looks like your new profile pic :)
[12:56] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: it's the worst BBC TV channel, not much lost.
[12:56] <popey> +1
[12:57] <foobarry> true. it has some programmes i don't admit to wtching
[12:57] <foobarry> despatch war rocket ajax to bring back his body!
[12:57] <davmor2> popey: looks to be working now, also gord is right that is you dude it's just missing a beachball
[12:57] <popey> haha
[12:57] <foobarry> so is that pic from south park, or really a popey pic
[12:59] <davmor2> popey: yeap that is showing help now
[12:59] <foobarry> uncanny likeness
[12:59] <popey> davmor2: thanks!
[12:59] <davmor2> popey: did you want me to try and flash a device with it?
[12:59] <popey> if you fancy, sure ☻
[13:00] <popey> its Go, so in theory it should all "just work"
[13:00] <foobarry> i sometimes watch drunk people on sun,sea,festivals and suspicious parents
[13:01] <davmor2> popey: yeah and of course nobody has been bitten by assumptions before ever have they ;)
[13:02] <diddledan> "assumption is the mother of all flipups"
[13:02] <foobarry> see this underwater cable map? http://submarine-cable-map-2014.telegeography.com/
[13:02] <bigcalm> davmor2: remind me to skype one of my clients in .au at about 9 or 10 pm tonight :)
[13:03] <davmor2> bigcalm: no :P
[13:03] <bigcalm> But the LUG is just an extended workplace now ;)
[13:03] <davmor2> bigcalm: set an alarm on your phone :)
[13:04]  * bigcalm writes an email instead
[13:04] <bigcalm> *grumble*
[13:04] <davmor2> popey: Yay spinny ubuntu logo
[13:04] <jussi> my secret nasty tv habit is those acution shows... "Storage hunters" - but sssh, dont tell anyone
[13:05] <foobarry> saw a guy smoking an e-cig on the tube. looked weird.
[13:05] <bigcalm> I really hope this meeting with the IFA doesn't take too long. I want to relax at the LUG tonight
[13:05] <diddledan> spinny ubuntu?!
[13:05] <davmor2> diddledan: popey knows
[13:05] <foobarry> jussi: sorry to break it to you but storage hunters is a complete fake
[13:05] <jussi> foobarry: Im aware of that fact
[13:06] <foobarry> so was i after 2 mins of watching it ;)
[13:06] <daftykins> just don't tell him about wrestling
[13:06] <jussi> foobarry: it just makes the admission worse...
[13:06] <davmor2> foobarry: next you'll be saying wrestling isn't real
[13:06] <foobarry> or x-factor-idol
[13:06] <jussi> daftykins: I hate wrestling
[13:06] <daftykins> davmor2: lol ^5
[13:07] <jussi> foobarry: you mean autotune-factor ?
[13:07] <davmor2> daftykins: damn you beat me to it :)
[13:07] <diddledan> foobarry: Britain's Got the Pop Factor... and Possibly a New Celebrity Jesus Christ Soapstar Superstar Strictly on Ice
[13:07] <foobarry> my hairdresser made a mistake and gave me a square head haircut. i asked her to fix the simon cowell style
[13:07] <popey> The only thing i watch on telly at the moment are Jon Stewart Daily Show, Come Dine With Me and You've Been framed
[13:07] <davmor2> diddledan: I think you missed ballroom of the end of the last one
[13:08] <foobarry> popey: musketeers is quite good saturday night cheese
[13:08] <diddledan> davmor2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Kay's_Britain's_Got_the_Pop_Factor..._and_Possibly_a_New_Celebrity_Jesus_Christ_Soapstar_Superstar_Strictly_on_Ice
[13:08] <foobarry> hairdresser then said "simon cowell, he's got a fine head of hair"
[13:08] <popey> mmmm cheese
[13:08] <popey> http://drool.popey.com/
[13:09] <jussi> we have a finnish comedy called "putous" which is really good, but you need language capabilities for that...
[13:09] <davmor2> popey: so though all that all you saw was Cheese
[13:09] <diddledan> jussi: languages suck
[13:09] <jussi> still funny that popey's website got shared by $famous_person the other day...
[13:09] <foobarry> popey: dinner date > come dine w/me
[13:09] <diddledan> really?!
[13:10] <diddledan> which famous person?
[13:10] <daftykins> fame!?
[13:10] <foobarry> top gear is quite funny
[13:11] <jussi> diddledan: really, some random that I forget who it was. :P
[13:11] <daftykins> as long as you can suspend the same amount of disbelief as for the aforementioned programs
[13:11] <foobarry> its a pantomime
[13:11] <daftykins> and put up with men acting like children
[13:11] <jussi> I think they were poking fun at some other famous person
[13:11] <foobarry> more like chuckle borthers
[13:12] <daftykins> oh and have a slightly chavvy interest in cars ;)
[13:12] <foobarry> nope, more women i know enjoy TG than men
[13:12] <foobarry> for the silly antics
[13:12] <popey> daftykins: https://twitter.com/popey/status/440076758679683072
[13:12] <popey> daftykins: https://t.co/3zlf6fZG0x
[13:13] <diddledan> cute kitty
[13:13] <foobarry> soft kitty
[13:14] <daftykins> popey: heh :)
[13:14] <jussi> does someone want to do my job for a day? :D
[13:14] <daftykins> little ball of fur
[13:14] <daftykins> err what is it? :D
[13:14] <daftykins> i'd say possibly...
[13:15] <jussi> daftykins: Im a sales guy for a software company
[13:15] <daftykins> aaah... they would not make any sales with me around
[13:15] <jussi> hehe
[13:15] <MartijnVdS> jussi: so you tell customers that things are possible, and then the devs HAVE to deliver, no matter what?
[13:15] <popey> "It's crap, don't buy it, here's a link to pirate bay"
[13:15] <daftykins> "can't get that? here's a download i hosted myself"
[13:15] <jussi> we mostly do open source stuff...
[13:15] <MartijnVdS> "It makes coffee too!"
[13:16] <popey> "The proprietary stuff is better, here's a key"
[13:16] <jussi> hehe
[13:16] <foobarry> just read the man page and you don't need to buy it
[13:16] <daftykins> "jussi:opensesame"
[13:16] <popey> jussi://opensource
[13:16] <jussi> hehe
[13:16] <foobarry> "let me sell you some free software"
[13:16] <popey> Happy birthday TheOpenSourcerer !
[13:16] <jussi> oh, you all are in such fine voice today, its fun :)
[13:17] <jussi> oh dear, someone is having a birthday?  where is the cake?
[13:17] <foobarry> lots of people i talk to in my job are discovering the best product in their cateogry is also free
[13:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> Many thanks popey
[13:17] <jussi> !cake
[13:17] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: Happy birthday!
[13:17] <jussi> !pie-#ubuntu-offtopic
[13:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> Just had a Bombay Bad Boy Pot Noodle for my lunch :-D
[13:17] <diddledan> it was mine yesterday and nobody mentioned it :-p
[13:17] <SuperMatt> yo
[13:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> "Livin' the dream, Oh yes."
[13:17] <foobarry> birthday season
[13:18] <diddledan> TheOpenSourcerer: you'll have the squits tonight then?
[13:18] <daftykins> haha does anyone see the obvious mistake in that pi cake?
[13:18] <popey> I have a chicken & cheese sandwich
[13:18] <daftykins> someone put the first 5 in the sequence on backwards!
[13:18] <popey> yeah
[13:18] <jussi> mines on 4/4 so I have told you now, better all send me lots of presents!
[13:18] <foobarry> ate a pasty. regret it
[13:18] <popey> jussi: so is mine
[13:18] <jussi> popey: yep :D
[13:18] <daftykins> i already had my birthday :(
[13:18] <popey> daftykins: have another
[13:18] <foobarry> my anuual increment was last week
[13:18] <daftykins> oooh \o/
[13:18] <jussi> daftykins: dont worry, youll likely have another
[13:19] <foobarry> got amazon vouchers from everyone
[13:19] <jussi> foobarry: I want amazon vouchers!
[13:19] <foobarry> need to spend them on replacing stuff the thieves stole :(
[13:19] <diddledan> apparently the people who have the most birthdays are statistically more likely to live longer
[13:19] <popey> I would prefer if people buy me stuff on amazon wishlist
[13:19] <foobarry> because insurance is a scam
[13:19] <jussi> daftykins: hehe
[13:19] <foobarry> my wishlist is usually quite bare
[13:20] <foobarry> i have a private wishlist so people don't accidentally buy me things i'm bookmarking
[13:24] <jussi> hrm, theres an idea... instead of having those "give em a few cents" buttons on websites, people should publish wishlists for items they need, preferably with explanations behind them "if I had this, then Id like to do X+Y+Z". then people could buy said items for  the developer because of work they had done, or work they would do with the said device...
[13:25] <jussi> half kickstarter/half donation
[13:26] <daftykins> i think they did that on LAS once, he needed new storage for the video editing of the show, so he put up the items he wanted and people gift bought them
[13:27] <daftykins> each person had their name kept on the disk they'd bought :D
[13:27] <jussi> daftykins: yeah, Ive seen it done on an adhoc basis, but it could be cool to put up some sort of website to do it...
[13:28] <daftykins> mmm
[13:29] <daftykins> ugh - someone i knows website is down but the person hosting it is absolutely useless at contact
[13:29] <daftykins> he still hasn't replied to an email of mine from last April...
[13:30] <popey> removed 4 pairs of headphones from my wishlist
[13:30] <popey> i have 4 quadcopters on it ☻
[13:30] <daftykins> XD
[13:32] <DJones> Heh, Dell trying to charge £16.25 to install Mozilla Firefox web browser when you specify your machine http://regmedia.co.uk/2014/03/05/firefox.png
[13:32] <jussi> DJones: hahaha, epic
[13:33] <daftykins> \o/
[13:33] <daftykins> DJones: what's that discount of yours? :)
[13:33] <ali1234> microsoft need to take a hard line with that stuff
[13:33] <jussi> DJones: but is it real?
[13:33] <ali1234> build a "reset to factory" tool in to windows
[13:34] <ali1234> instead of charging $100 for it
[13:34] <DJones> daftykins: Wasn't my screenshot, link came from El Reg
[13:34] <jussi> just seems weird there are 2 boxes with "thank you for choosing dell"
[13:34] <daftykins> DJones: oh yeah silly me, despite reading the domain i didn't connect those two thoughts together D:
[13:34] <diddledan> ali1234: windows 8 has that
[13:34] <DJones> I wonder if they charge the same to install Google Chrome
[13:34] <ali1234> diddledan: why aren't they advertising it everywhere then?
[13:35] <ali1234> btw when i say "reset to factory" i mean it would remove any and all OEM software
[13:35] <daftykins> that'd be nice
[13:35] <ali1234> it would be the same as if you had just installed windows from the retail CD
[13:35] <daftykins> though it'd also kinda put me out of a job ;)
[13:35] <diddledan> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:cSr2mAhQc0sJ:windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows-8/restore-refresh-reset-pc+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk
[13:36] <foobarry> does anyone here use pinterest?
[13:36] <ali1234> diddledan: "Applications that came with your PC and apps you've installed from the Windows Store will be reinstalled."
[13:37] <daftykins> ^was just about to paste that
[13:37] <daftykins> it's just the same factory image restore that put all the crapware back on
[13:38] <jussi> DJones: if its real its old - thats the old dell website (or so it seems)
[13:38] <DJones> jussi: Was just trying the website, it doesn't even have an "Other software" option now, plus the prices are slightly lower
[13:40] <Darael> jussi: It's real, all right.  I remember seeing it when I was helping someone spec up a PC.  Had me doing a mixture of laughing and headdesking.
[13:40] <foobarry> can someone explain pinterest to me?
[13:41] <diddledan> foobarry: near as I can work out, it's facebook without any of your friends
[13:41] <DJones> jussi: It is real, http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=uk&cs=ukbsdt1&fb=1&l=en&model_id=optiplex-7010&oc=sm002d70108sff1&s=bsd&vw=classic
[13:41] <ali1234> foobarry: it's 4chan for women
[13:41] <Darael> foobarry: Yes.  Presumably there exists someone in the world who can explain pinterest to thee.
[13:41] <DJones> Its still showing up
[13:41] <MooDoo> pah today sucks
[13:42] <DJones> jussi: Near the bottom on the Accessories page
[13:42] <foobarry> Darael: need proof
[13:43] <Darael> foobarry: Well, I'd consider trying to work it out myself, but I'm in text-mode and staying that way for a while
[13:43] <foobarry> unsure if its a shop window /wish list for girls or just some people like to display pictures of pretty things
[13:43] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: mostly (2) but also (1)
[13:43] <ali1234> foobarry: it's literally 4chan for soccer moms
[13:43] <jussi> DJones: wow, so it is!
[13:43] <foobarry> my wife explained it in a way that miht be useful to me
[13:43] <ali1234> it's an image board where people repost pictures they found on the internet
[13:43] <foobarry> for visual bookamrking of ideas
[13:44] <foobarry> i.e  planning a wedding, post on the wedding board (need friends)
[13:45] <daftykins> foobarry: i've never even seen it XD
[13:45] <foobarry> or for me, planning a new airfix build, posting images on my research page of photos of completed lancasters, and reference pics from the war etc
[13:45] <foobarry> which would be useful to me
[13:45] <foobarry> but i started and got bogged down
[13:45] <foobarry> because i was searching inside pinterest rather than pinning from outside
[13:45] <ali1234> yes
[13:46] <ali1234> like 4chan, pinterest has very little "OC"
[13:46] <foobarry> which is like a retweet
[13:46] <foobarry> 4chan is reddit for ugly kids?
[13:47] <diddledan> the kill bill soundtrack is epicly awesome
[13:47] <daftykins> ^ yes :D
[13:47] <daftykins> the rza stuff can be easily removed however
[13:48] <diddledan> in fact kill bill is epically awesome, too
[13:48] <diddledan> a masterpiece one might say
[13:49] <daftykins> nothing Tarantino i've seen really has any faults
[13:49] <foobarry> :-Z
[13:49] <daftykins> Reservoir Dogs took until i was older to watch properly though as it's not really too engaging...
[13:50] <foobarry> and its horrible
[13:50] <daftykins> not a fan?
[13:50] <foobarry> noooo
[13:51] <foobarry> i may be in the minority though
[13:51] <ali1234> tarantino only recently figured out how to make a 90 minute movie with a beginning, middle, and end
[13:51] <foobarry> an outlier
[13:51] <ali1234> that's not to say his stuff is bad
[13:51] <daftykins> y'mean instead of messing around back and forth in time all the time? :)
[13:51] <ali1234> yes, or making two movies instead of one
[13:52] <ali1234> or making three half hour shorts and calling it a movie
[13:52] <ali1234> or having a beginning and a middle and not knowing how to finish it
[13:52] <foobarry> i think i finally deleted inglourious without watching it
[13:53] <foobarry> yanks and war films and truth don't usually mix
[13:53] <daftykins> ali1234: unfortunately the constantly negative opinions of things tend to grate on everyone you share them with
[13:55] <popey> http://gamebuino.com/
[13:55] <popey> looks fun
[13:55] <jussi> british war films from the 50s/60's were good...  :D
[13:56] <MooDoo> damn that new game from mr langridge!
[13:56] <foobarry> jussi: not a buff but a fan of wwi and wwii planes mainly
[13:57] <foobarry> amazing they made the plane for the war, not expecting it to fly another 70 years
[13:57] <jussi> ahh fair enough. I enjoy them also :)
[13:57] <foobarry> whats not to like ;)
[14:48] <foobarry> faily faily faily
[14:48] <foobarry> IBM IMM2
[14:54] <diplo> hi guys
[14:54] <foobarry> hello diplodocus
[14:54] <diplo> Not ubuntu related, but knowledgable heads en all
[14:54] <diddledan> hahahahahaha
[14:54]  * diddledan lols
[14:54] <diplo> If I add our router in resolv.conf for dns pinging externally works etc
[14:54] <diplo> But...
[14:55] <diddledan> that's a great joke
[14:55] <diplo> Login times are about 5-10 seconds for password prompt
[14:55] <foobarry> dns , reverse dns, ldap
[14:55] <diplo> Remove entries from ifcfg-eth0 or resolv.conf logins times are instant but can't go externally
[14:55] <diddledan> that'll be reverse dns issues
[14:55] <MartijnVdS> is your hostname not known in DNS?
[14:56] <foobarry> or /etc/hosts
[14:56] <diplo> It is in /etc/hosts
[14:56] <MartijnVdS> it's likely a DNS server that's not answering instead of going "NXDOMAIN"
[14:57] <diplo> It isn't in etc/hosts!
[14:57] <diplo> I misread it
[14:57] <foobarry> failyfail
[14:58] <diddledan> oh gentoo, you can and you took without giving, but I love you anyway, oh gentoo
[14:58] <diddledan> came*
[14:58] <diddledan> seriously, why can't I convince $important_person to upgrade to ubuntu?!
[14:59] <diplo> So the DNS server is basically a draytek router so I'm guessing using one of the small caching things and usese the ISP external ones
[14:59] <diplo> Adding into /etc/hosts has made no difference on the server
[14:59] <daftykins> diddledan: from?
[14:59] <foobarry> gentoo does not belong in enterprise
[14:59] <foobarry> or in the home :P
[14:59] <diddledan> daftykins: gentoo
[15:01] <daftykins> heh
[15:01] <diddledan> the thing is, I get the impression that I'm the only one that cares about security patching these ancient boxes
[15:03] <diddledan> if it were clear that we were going to upgrade then I'd be more lax about maintenance but they're really outdated (like over a year) and there's no sign we're coming off gentoo so someone needs to update them
[15:04] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: sounds like time for a new job?
[15:04] <diddledan> heh
[15:05] <daftykins> diddledan: nobody's interested in ok'ing the time to slowly transition everything off them?
[15:06] <diddledan> nope
[15:06] <diddledan> "they work"
[15:06] <daftykins> =|
[15:06] <daftykins> no external services i take it?
[15:06] <diddledan> haha
[15:07] <bashrc> gentoo users are hard to persuade.  Once you've become addicted to compiling...
[15:07] <diddledan> yes there are external services
[15:07] <daftykins> D:
[15:08] <diddledan> including some very outdated java/tomcats
[15:08] <daftykins> oh dear, those would probably be hell to change
[15:09] <MartijnVdS> Make it a business case
[15:09] <MartijnVdS> "Money lost if hacked (reputation damage, lost customers, etc.)" vs cost of upgrade
[15:09] <bashrc> outdated stuff will have security holes
[15:10] <MartijnVdS> if upgrade < bad stuff, they will choose to upgrade
[15:10] <MartijnVdS> unless they're bad business people
[15:10] <foobarry> a company very close to me got hacked by anon
[15:11] <foobarry> post hack reaction is very ££
[15:11] <bashrc> yes
[15:11] <MartijnVdS> include that in the business case
[15:12] <MartijnVdS> Also, getting hacked might have "legal" consequences, wrt. data protection, informing people/authorities, etc
[15:12] <foobarry> and all IT staff diverting duties for 4 weeks
[15:12] <diplo> It wasn't any of the above btw
[15:12] <diplo> It was the way putty trys all the different auth methods that took the time
[15:12] <diplo> All other clients were quick :/
[15:13] <foobarry> ssh -vv
[15:15] <dwatkins> all the Vs
[15:15] <dwatkins> ssh -vvv
[15:16] <foobarry> ssh - \o/
[15:16] <dwatkins> if only
[15:16] <MartijnVdS> vvvvvv!
[15:16] <daftykins> vee vee
[15:16] <foobarry> i have that game somewhere
[15:16] <bashrc> what so the v's do?
[15:16] <MartijnVdS> in steam, probably
[15:17] <daftykins> increase the verbosity cap'n
[15:17] <foobarry> what are the android HIB games liek this week?
[15:17] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: HIB?
[15:17] <foobarry> humble bundle
[15:17] <dwatkins> Humble Indie Bundle
[15:19] <diddledan> she has'ne got the vee, cap'n
[15:19] <foobarry> does firefox not even try to restore pages anymore after closure?
[15:22] <dwatkins> my firefox says it's embarassed
[15:22] <dwatkins> full power to the diagnostic information, Scotty!
[15:24] <daftykins> foobarry: it's not the default setting
[15:47] <foobarry> oh, they changed it then?
[15:47] <diddledan> I think it depends how it exited
[16:02] <bigcalm> directhex: yeoldesteamos-release4-20140108u1.iso - last activity 13 minutes ago - surprised that people are still downloading it
[16:02] <directhex> bigcalm, yeah... don't think it even works anymore
[16:03] <bigcalm> With a 93.6 ratio, I wonder if my ISP dislike me
[16:03] <directhex> bigcalm, valve have superceded it for everything except ntfs resizing
[16:03] <daftykins> directhex: so you won't be doing anything further?
[16:05] <directhex> daftykins, it's tough to justify, i guess. and i *really* need test hardware to make further strides
[16:05] <directhex> the steam box i was promised never materialized. i have a controller, but that's it
[16:07] <bigcalm> How's the controller?
[16:08] <directhex> odd. interesting. too big for the wife.
[16:08] <directhex> more games need to natively support it, it's not quite tweakable enough for the keyboard & mouse mapping mode to work well in many games yet
[16:23] <diplo> directhex: Probably because it was referenced in linuxformat last month
[16:23] <bigcalm> Linux Voice?
[16:24] <diplo> Format
[16:24] <diplo> Keep forgetting to unsub :)
[16:28] <bigcalm> Ah, the name was kept. Everybody was sacked and they started Linux Voice?
[16:30] <popey> They resigned I thought.
[16:30] <bashrc> linux format is no more?
[16:31] <popey> no, its still being published
[16:32] <popey> just that the 3 people who used to write most of it, left the company and started linux voice
[16:32] <popey> so now linux format is being written by people who aren't linux people, but people who write mags for the company on other topics
[16:32] <bigcalm> How's that working out for them?
[16:33] <bashrc> that sounds insane
[16:33] <popey> dunno, i dont read LF
[16:33] <bashrc> do they all use Windows XP?
[16:33] <popey> no idea
[16:33] <foobarry> sounds like most mags
[16:34] <foobarry> went into a big whsmith the other day and the range of mags is amazing
[16:35] <foobarry> 6 mags on "so you just bought a kindle"
[16:35] <bashrc> crazy
[16:35] <foobarry> they seem to churn out pulp article
[16:36] <foobarry> i subscrbied to a photo mag once and the articles just recycled after a few months
[16:36] <foobarry> same for "so you're having a baby! magazine"
[16:36] <dwatkins> wow, WH Smith still exists?
[16:37] <bashrc> yes, I've been in recently to buy a pen
[16:37] <foobarry> magazines are good source of light reading material
[16:37] <foobarry> but i flicked through a few and found no real content
[16:37] <foobarry> linux format was there, idn't bother flicking
[16:37] <bigcalm> Lots of wedding mags. Which my wife still likes to buy even after we got wed :|
[16:38] <dwatkins> I can't remember the last time I bought a magazine.
[16:38] <foobarry> zinio sucks as you can't keep the mag
[16:38] <foobarry> when they go bust
[16:38] <foobarry> pinterest seems better tahn wedding mags
[16:38] <dwatkins> this is a concern for all such delivery systems, from Kindle to Woodwing.
[16:38] <foobarry> lwn.net is too ££ really
[16:38] <foobarry> $7 is more than a mag
[16:39] <foobarry> linux journal went to a paid pdf model
[16:39] <bashrc> and Linux Voice?
[16:41] <popey> I have lwn.net via ubuntu membership
[16:46] <directhex> i have lwn.net from like 3 paid sponsorships
[16:46] <directhex> i think ubuntu's paying for the moment though
[16:49] <bashrc> I also have a lwn.net subscription
[17:17] <diddledan> so whoever has chrome(ium) open up the javascript console and type "true / false" and hit enter :-p
[17:22] <bigcalm> Infinity, woo
[17:22] <diddledan> colleague is debating what it should really be
[17:26] <popey> diddledan: what does it do?
[17:26] <diddledan> tells you the result is infinity
[17:27] <diddledan> https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat
[17:28] <ali1234> it should really be a math exception
[17:30] <ali1234> if you type 1 / 0 you also get infinity, which is just flat wrong
[17:32] <bigcalm> Same in Firefox
[17:33] <ali1234> of course, the incorrect behaviour is defined by javascript
[17:33] <ali1234> it casts true to 1 and false to 0 then does 1 / 0
[17:34] <ali1234> (and then gives the wrong answer anyway, lol)
[17:34] <daftykins> just filmed a wee shaky-cam video of me riding back from a large supermarket, past all the queues of cars mindlessly trudging the couple of miles home
[17:34] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/5rsdljyjqd7utde/VID_20140305_171330.mp4
[17:35] <daftykins> they form a good couple of miles of solid queue all the way out of town up the east coast of the island
[17:46] <bashrc> in cities walking is often faster than driving
[17:46] <daftykins> *nod*
[17:59] <popey> daftykins: is your video sped up?
[17:59] <popey> (it is when I play it, oddly)
[18:00] <popey> hmm, only sped up in mplayer
[18:00] <daftykins> nope all standard from a Nexus 4
[18:18] <map> hmmhm fail2ban sees to have ignored a ew ips
[18:18] <map> Mar  5 10:31:58 frogs sshd[28296]: Failed password for root from <IP_ADDRESS> port 3068 ssh2
[18:18] <map> 7l entries and ip not banned
[18:20] <daftykins> :)
[18:20] <daftykins> depends on the timeout you configure with fail2ban as to how long to blacklist a given IP for
[18:20] <map> it looks like only 7 seconds between all the fals
[18:21] <daftykins> mmm no doubt a bot probing you
[18:22] <ali1234> or a alien
[18:29] <daftykins> an alien bot probing you
[18:41] <map> hm
[18:49] <map> i had maxretry set to 3
[18:50] <map> and findtime during this period as 600
[18:51] <map> 3 attempts in 20seconds and it ignored it
[19:10] <davmor2> MooDoo: why would anyone talk winders :P
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAI368bZC1g
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> ^ XP to Ubuntu, by Computerphile
[19:40] <daftykins> that's substantially longer opening My Computer than i'd expect from THAT machine ;)
[19:44] <foobarry> \"operation system not found"?
[19:46] <daftykins> he doesn't know dd! ;)
[19:46] <foobarry> yeah
[19:46] <foobarry> dd from windows...
[19:46] <foobarry> you need rufus instead on windows
[19:46] <daftykins> nah his own Dell to the left was ubuntu
[19:50] <maps|wrk> HAi
[20:01] <daftykins> evenin'
[20:02] <maps|wrk> so i gotta question, daftykins  any idea why fail2ban seems to block people diddledan  tested it, as did someone else and i asked someone 2 mins ago all worked..but auth.log shows an IP doing 6 attemps in 16 seconds and didnt get banned..unless i read it wrong
[20:04] <daftykins> hrmm dunno, could be useful if you pastebin'd the log? removing anything personal ofc
[20:06] <maps|wrk> ya will do in a sec, just having trouble for some reason shellinabox sometimes ends up displaying funky in the browser;/
[20:10] <daftykins> i'm not familiar with that
[20:14] <foobarry> check now, is it in the ban list?
[20:16] <foobarry> Cameron and Tyler Winklevoss, who famously accused Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg of stealing their idea, said they used bitcoins to buy tickets for a high-altitude voyage on billionaire Sir Richard Branson's Virgin Galactic commercial spaceflight venture.
[20:17] <maps|wrk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7040424/ auth.log  --- <IP_ADDRESS> was a test from a friends box and fail2ban blocked the IP  but then <IP_ADDRESS> didnt get blocked
[20:18] <maps|wrk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7040431/
[20:18] <maps|wrk> iptables -L output
[20:18] <maps|wrk> foobarry:  did you try ssh ?
[20:19] <maps|wrk> so why did the 200. IP get blocked and the 83 IP get ignored
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> maps|wrk: is there anything in fail2ban's logs?
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> maps|wrk: /var/log/fail2ban.log
[20:19] <maps|wrk> will check 2sec
[20:20] <maps|wrk> also recently someone in .tr and its not  banned that IP
[20:20] <maps|wrk> Mar 5 18:49:54 frogs sshd[5799]: Failed password for root from <IP_ADDRESS> port 37164 ssh2 Mar 5 18:49:54 frogs sshd[5799]: Received disconnect from <IP_ADDRESS>: 11: Bye Bye [preauth] Mar 5 18:49:56 frogs sshd[5801]: reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for 83-178-238-213.ip.idealhosting.net.tr [213.238.178. 83] failed - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN ATTEMPT! Mar 5 18:49:56 frogs sshd[5801]: pam_unix(sshd:auth): authentication failure; logname
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> maps|wrk: if fail2ban.log isn't verbose enough, set fail2ban to a higher log level and restart it
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> before you restart
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> check if it's actually running
[20:22] <maps|wrk> mark@frogs:~$ ps aux | grep fail root 5881 0.1 0.7<PHONE_NUMBER> ? Sl 18:54 0:05 /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/fail2ban-server -b -s /var/run/fail2 --says it is:| and MartijnVdS  it blocked the 200 ip so it mst be working
[20:23] <maps|wrk> whats faillog in /var/log?
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> maps|wrk: man faillog
[20:24] <maps|wrk> oke
[20:25] <foobarry> iptables -vnL will show any blocked IPs
[20:26] <maps|wrk> 2014-03-05 19:10:24,170 fail2ban.actions: WARNING [ssh] Ban <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:26] <maps|wrk> ah i know what it is i edited the config it had it set to like 300 seconds or whatever bann
[20:26] <maps|wrk> 2014-03-05 18:50:02,931 fail2ban.actions: WARNING [ssh] Ban <IP_ADDRESS> 2014-03-05 18:54:18,565 fail2ban.server : INFO Stopping all jails 2014-03-05 18:54:18,764 fail2ban.jail : INFO Jail 'apache' stopped 2014-03-05 18:54:19,491 fail2ban.jail : INFO Jail 'apache-noscript' stopped 2014-03-05 18:54:20,132 fail2ban.actions: WARNING [ssh] Unban <IP_ADDRESS> 2014-03-05 18:54:20,143 fail2ban.actions: WARNING [ssh] Unban <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:26] <maps|wrk> so it banned then unbanned :)
[20:26] <maps|wrk> changed it to 17280
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> just never unblock
[20:35] <maps|wrk> it has an entry in the conf for a time
[20:35] <maps|wrk> thought i had to specify
[21:39] <popey> ooh!
[21:40] <popey> I just got a google helpout invite
[21:40] <ali1234> when did you apply?
[21:40] <ali1234> or did you just get it randomly?
[21:40] <popey> on day one
[21:40] <popey> I think
[21:40] <popey> or thereabouts
[21:41] <ali1234> i see
[21:41] <maps|wrk> is it not open for everyone? i thought helpout was where you pay for help from someone..
[21:41] <maps|wrk> i want a google glass invite :D
[21:41] <ali1234> anyone can ask for help yes
[21:42] <popey> you need an invite to give help
[21:42] <maps|wrk> ah
[21:43] <ali1234> what are the rates like these days?
[21:43] <maps|wrk> id like help getting a google glass invite
[21:46] <ali1234> step 1 move to america
[21:46] <ali1234> preferably SF
[21:48] <maps|wrk> that seems quite expensive in itself
[21:48] <popey> Heh, yeah. They're just not selling them to anyone outside the US right now.
[21:48] <maps|wrk> I'd prefer someone just gives me one
[21:48] <maps|wrk> :)
[21:48] <popey> Good luck with that.
[21:48] <maps|wrk> oh really, I read that people with google glass could invite someone else to join the program
[21:48] <maps|wrk> but US only
[21:48] <maps|wrk> pah!
[21:49] <popey> Question 1: Do you have a greater social graph than Robert Scoble?
[21:49] <popey> If no, goodbye.
[21:50] <maps|wrk> Who was that retard women that had it..got in trouble for speeding whoile wearing it and cried all over the interweb about it
[21:51] <maps|wrk>  There are about 10,000 Google Glass devices being tested nationwide and they will likely start being sold to the general public sometime this year.
[21:51] <maps|wrk> more than i thought
[21:51] <maps|wrk> I think I'd probably buy one..although would be annoying if you couldnt use it EVERYWHERE
[21:52] <ali1234> i'd only buy it if they make a NHS/hipster edition
[21:53] <maps|wrk> NHS edition?
[21:53] <maps|wrk> you mean basically for prescription glasses?
[21:53] <ali1234> i mean if they make a version that looks like NHS prescription glasses as worn by hipsters everywhere
[21:53] <ali1234> (note that i wouldn't actually do this)
[21:54] <daftykins> :D
[21:55] <maps|wrk> big black rimmed?
[22:00] <daftykins> must be
[22:01] <maps|wrk> O_O
[22:02] <maps|wrk> i have cheapo normal glasses..only wear them like few mins a week anyway
[22:02] <maps|wrk> and ive broken few pairs by chucking them on the bed and forgetting..so fancy glasses..not for me:)
[22:02] <daftykins> lucky
[22:02] <daftykins> hehe
[23:25] <maps|wrk> hmm what rules should i use as default on iptablles i wonder
[23:37] <maps|wrk> oops
[23:48] <maps|wrk> lol blocked myself when messing with iptables again
[23:48] <maps|wrk> had to ssh in on my phone :)
[23:51] <diddledan> maps|wrk: this on an ubuntu or ..?
[23:56] <diddledan> I've set up a travis-ci for WordPress on HHVM vs normal PHP: https://travis-ci.org/diddledan/wordpress-develop
[23:56] <maps|wrk> ya on my ubuntu machine
[23:56] <maps|wrk> locked myself out lol
[23:56] <diddledan> maps|wrk: you using ufw?
[23:56] <maps|wrk> wna was just messing via cmd line
[23:57] <diddledan> ufw is about the only option that actually gets the rules reinserted at the right time on reboot
[23:57] <diddledan> other than coding your own upstart job, obv