[00:06] <dyek_> bjsnider: Ah, this appears to be it. Not easy to find at all when getting started with it. Now, I know how to find other packages. Thanks.
[00:07] <bjsnider> the bot is all
[16:49] <ripps> tjaalton: Any word from the debian wacom-tools maintainer?
[17:29] <tjaalton> ripps: nope..'
[17:36] <ripps> tjaalton: I'm trying to build wacom-tools in pbuilder, but it seems that a bunch of subdirectories in debian/ seem to be deleted when It's moved to the pbuilder environment... weird.
[17:40] <jcristau> tjaalton: ron was active in #d-devel a couple hours ago fwiw
[19:16] <tjaalton> jcristau: hmm ok
[19:20] <tjaalton> ripps: w-t doesn't work with xserver 1.7
[19:22] <ripps> tjaalton: well, i've built a wacom driver from a xf86-input-wacom git repo, but I still have the same problem. I can see from my xorg.0.log that udev is detecting the tablet and and xorg is aware of it. So I don't know why it's glitching like this.
[19:22] <tjaalton> ripps: like what?
[19:23] <ripps> tjaalton: it freezes on click until I move the pen far away from the tablet
[19:23] <tjaalton> ripps: but is it using wacom or evdev?
[19:23] <tjaalton> my bet is on evdev
[19:24] <tjaalton> full log would show
[19:25] <ripps> well, I can see that udev is populating it, it's located at /dev/input/event4, and the wacom module is loaded in lsmod...
[19:25] <ripps> I'm not sure if if evdev is loading it or not, I'm not seeing any mention of evdev.
[19:26] <tjaalton> well I guess you don't have a wacom rules file for udev?
[19:26] <tjaalton> in that case it'll use evdev
[19:26] <tjaalton> kernel module or not
[19:28] <wind-rider> hi
[19:28] <jcristau> tjaalton: now it's xorg.conf.d/10-wacom.conf ;)
[19:28] <wind-rider> can somebody help me with http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/XKeyboardConfig/Rules?
[19:28] <tjaalton> jcristau: yes, obviously :)
[19:28] <ripps> I don't have xorg.conf.d yet
[19:29] <jcristau> (just sent pull request for the udev stuff on top of xorg.conf.d)
[19:29] <tjaalton> only a handful of people do
[19:29] <jcristau> udev x11_driver and x11_options.* are gone
[19:29] <tjaalton> yeah
[19:29] <tjaalton> well, no need for rules at all, right?
[19:30] <tjaalton> when the xorg.conf.d stuff is used
[19:30] <jcristau> the xkb stuff stays so it can pull stuff from /etc/default/something, but that's it yeah
[19:30] <jcristau> which is nice
[19:30] <tjaalton> right
[19:31] <tjaalton> wind-rider: what's the problem?
[19:31] <wind-rider> tjaalton: some hotkeys of my laptop lack a X11 keysym, but they do generate keycodes
[19:31] <tjaalton> wind-rider: xev shows them?
[19:32] <wind-rider> tjaalton: xev returns the keycodes, but returns 'NoSymbol' as keysym
[19:32] <wind-rider> tjaalton: i'd like to add these keysyms upstream so other people won't have the same problem
[19:32] <tjaalton> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hotkeys
[19:33] <wind-rider> tjaalton: so I'd like to avoid ~/.Xmodmap or so
[19:33] <tjaalton> well, if xev shows them it should be quite easy
[19:33] <tjaalton> file a bug report upstream and tell how to make it work
[19:34] <wind-rider> tjaalton: report the bug at https://bugs.freedesktop.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=xkeyboard-config ?
[19:34] <tjaalton> wind-rider: yes
[19:36] <wind-rider> tjaalton: ok, i'll do that
[19:36] <wind-rider> thx
[20:40] <Sarvatt> ok halfway through the third day uptime and no sign of any crashes no matter what i do with these 2 libdrm commits reverted from 2.4.16
[20:41] <Sarvatt> pretty safe to say that fixed it, now to try with just 	b73612e4fd69565aa2c5c2e9677f3e0af1945f7d  reverted
[20:48] <Sarvatt> hope it does work because 792fed1e2460f96459141b5a628dd5ab4fbb87db doesn't revert cleanly from 2.4.17


 For windows rules, by chance did you try Use Alt-F3 -> More Actions - Configure Special window/app settings?
 Will do when I wake up tomorrow, thank you for the help (re @DarinMiller: For windows rules, by chance did you try Use Alt-F3 -> More Actions - Configure Special window/app settings?)
[09:33] <etux> hi
 hi  sometimes when i wake up my lap the screen is just stays black till i press the start bottom and power it down
 can this be solved for good?
[12:23] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 Hi
 Can any one answer? (re @Oov: can this be solved for good?)
[14:12] <user|58> Hi, NAME="Ubuntu"
[14:12] <user|58> VERSION="20.04.4 LTS (Focal Fossa)"
[14:12] <user|58> ID=ubuntu
[14:12] <user|58> ID_LIKE=debian
[14:12] <user|58> PRETTY_NAME="Ubuntu 20.04.4 LTS"
[14:12] <user|58> VERSION_ID="20.04"
[14:45] <mybalzitch> almost need that as an onjoin message
 Kq3B
 kq3B
 kq3b
[17:02] <kirvesAxe> That depends on what keyboard layout you have set
 Hi
 Can i upgrade kubuntu 20.04 to 21.010 then to 22.04?
 And is kubuntu 22.04 stable?
[17:06] <alkisg> Wait until august, then you'll be able to upgrade directly from 20.04 to 22.04
 Ok but can i do that?
 PEOPLE?
 Is possible that my NONAME flash drive manufactured in years 2010-2012  is not being recognized by hardware from 2021 (Bios-uefi boot manager)?
 Operating systems can see the flash drive though.
[17:26] <alkisg> Oov, you can upgrade that way in august, yes. You cannot upgrade from 20.04 to 21.10 at any time.
[17:27] <alkisg> MartinVonReichenberg, you mean as a bootable device? Most likely it's not formatted properly?
[18:05] <user|33> I just installed Kubuntu but the directory seems to be 98% full
[18:05] <user|33> what can I do
 Can someone help me with this (re @Oov: hi  sometimes when i wake up my lap the screen is just stays black till i press the start bottom and power it down)
 Hello, I'm trying to backup my drive and it's telling me I don't have permission to backup /boot
 Is this normal? I thought backing up /boot is a good idea.
[21:12] <arraybolt3> adhooooooooom: You probably need to do the copy as root. By design, some of the files in /boot are not user-readable, but root should have no problem. You can do "sudo su -" in a terminal and then use "cp -a" to copy the directory. You'll need the backup disk to use a filesystem that support Linux permissions (ext4 for instance).
[21:13] <arraybolt3> adhooooooooom: The "sudo su -" bit elevates your privileges to root (you'll be asked for your password).
 I'm backing it up using the "Backups" option in the system Settings, so why do I need to use the terminal?
 The idea of a periodic backup is that it's done automatically after every interval.
 Dropping down to the terminal and sudo su-ing to copy a directory manually is not a good way to backup files.
[22:05] <arraybolt3> adhooooooooom: Oh, I've not used that tool, I do my backups using a copy. If it's not working, that sounds like a bug.
[22:06] <arraybolt3> adhooooooooom: As far as backing up /boot, everything in /boot is replacable, unless you've manually messed with your bootloader settings.
 Well, that's what backups are for haha


 @HMollerCl [sorry, not trojita, falkon], For Lubuntu?
 @glpzzz [For Lubuntu?], kde.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [kde.], Instead of?
 we were talking about Konqueror. it was file manager+browser for kde. Now its not.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [we were talking about Konqueror. it was file manager+browser for kde. Now its no …], Ok! Thanks!
 falkon replaced it for browser.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [falkon replaced it for browser.], Good!
[00:53] <The_LoudSpeaker> wxl: Is there a task about the new login button on screensaver?
[00:53] <wxl> not afaik
[00:53] <The_LoudSpeaker> Want me to create one?
[00:53] <The_LoudSpeaker> I have some findings
[00:54] <wxl> plz
[00:54] <The_LoudSpeaker> I got the dbus command which will get us to greeter but there is a problem.
[00:55] <The_LoudSpeaker> approve D61 today ploxx, it will get me a new iso with changes of xscreensaver and I can test nicely.
[00:56] <wxl> i'll try :/
[00:56] <wxl> or get kc2bez to do it XD
[00:57] <The_LoudSpeaker> Reviewers are you and tsimonq2
[00:59] <wxl> @kc2bez is a developer tho. he can do it :)
[00:59] <wxl> he has our blessing
[00:59] <The_LoudSpeaker> hahahah old man's blessings
[01:02] <The_LoudSpeaker> @kc2bez Approve D61 ploxx. I will add you as a reviewer.
[01:03] <wxl> technically he can push it through without being a reviewer and without reviewing it but shhhhhhh don't tell
[01:09] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T132: Fix the "New Login" button on screensaver window] The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T132
[01:10] <The_LoudSpeaker> ^ wxl
[01:14] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker: i happen to have looked this up for a different reason but it may be useful as it includes info on how to get the session info https://superuser.com/questions/1046028/how-to-unlock-screen-from-script-in-kde-plasma-5/1313979
 @wxl [<wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker: i happen to have looked this up for a different reason b …], noted.
[01:18] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker: oh and note qdbus, too
 Yeah I saw qdbus while reading dbus docs. Will have to read more.
[01:42] <kc2bez> Not sure if I will be able to get to it tonight or not but I will try to look at it tomorrow.
 What is the deal with being able to push to phab repositories
 I can help do things like remove white space
 @ItzSwirlz [What is the deal with being able to push to phab repositories], Well most of us can "arc push" the changes. But commit rights are with developers only. Afaik, wxl @tsimonq2 and @kc2bez have rights currently.
 and Simon
 Also, whitespace reminds me, wxl: check the ubuntu.png in D60.
 @ItzSwirlz [and Simon], Yes. I tagged him.
 Oh
 Didn’t see him
 Sorry I have dark mode on
 I have it always on.
[05:01] <krytarik> Fwiw, wrt <https://phab.lubuntu.me/T132> it might help you a little knowing that <https://salsa.debian.org/debian/xscreensaver/blob/master/debian/xscreensaver-wrapper.sh> exists.
[05:01] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- Error: T132> is an invalid task reference.
 @The_LoudSpeaker ^
[05:42] <Thr0r> If there is an administrator in this Channel - the web page to Lubuntu is down now...  ubuntu.com/download/flavours - click Lubuntu page is not working... I was going to download Lubuntu now..
[06:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALa1b55845e5f0: Add (s) for printers] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALa1b55845e5f0
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/T132
[10:52] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] Fix the "New Login" button on screensaver window: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T132
 What now lugito?
 @The_LoudSpeaker couldn't we make "lock screen" go to sddm? (instead of xscreensaver)
 That would mean not going to xscreensaver. I don't think I trust sddm here. Tho if it's good then we can do that
[17:08] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T132: Fix the "New Login" button on screensaver window] apt-ghetto (apt-ghetto) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T132#2716
 Oh we missed the standup today.
 dang we did
 Uff
[22:17] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALe287e64a8d4b: Add Collate feature for Printers] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALe287e64a8d4b
[22:18] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL18d6e179cb38: Remove uneeded whitespace] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL18d6e179cb38


[01:02] <QIII> Greetings!  If anyone is home:  I am trying to renew my Oregon LoCo membership, but am receiving an error logging in to Launchpad from the link in the email.  If the appropriate person(s) happens to read this, please renew my membership.  Thanks.  Please confirm with an email to paddyhayes@ubuntu.com.


[00:17] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: re, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/studio-controls/+bug/1898369
[00:18] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: ?
[00:18] <OvenWerks> I have looked at the code a few times and can not figure that out I can't figure out what would  affect ebtry and not others
[00:18] <Eickmeyer[m]> So then, what is our answer? Cannot duplicate?
[00:19] <OvenWerks> I don't have three (four?) USB devices to play with
[00:19] <OvenWerks> (well I do, but they all show as the same device name)
[00:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah. Then cannot duplicate, unfortunately. I tried with my own hardware (USB headset and USB interface) and can't duplicate.
[00:20] <OvenWerks> The affected bridge is not the first or last nor do both midle bridges have the same problem
[00:22] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: I think as part of my next set of development, I will save any changes to the config file even without apply and send the signal only on apply
[00:23] <Eickmeyer[m]> That would definitely be more foolproof.
[00:24] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: is there any way to add to the files sent in with a bug report?
[00:24] <Eickmeyer[m]> Sure. Simply a new comment with an attachment. I was about to close the bug, but do you want to ask the reporter for more?
[00:25] <OvenWerks> I am right now
[00:25] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ok, cool. Mark the bug as incomplete too. That gives 60 days to respond.
[00:26] <OvenWerks> ya but I was wondering if the ubuntu-bug had some sort of config somewhere that allowed other files to be sent.
[00:28] <Eickmeyer[m]> Nope. If we want additional logs attached, we have to ask manually. :/
[00:47] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: I have managed to get the blank dropdown...
[00:47] <OvenWerks> It may have something to do with a mono input
[00:48] <OvenWerks> but it does save it correctly
[00:52] <Eickmeyer[m]> Interesting. Any way to fix?
[00:59] <OvenWerks> can you test for me... I can't seem to select the last port
[01:00] <OvenWerks> actually I was able to and it worked and then I just looked at it and the second to last was missing and so I reset it and then I looked at the last one and it changed to the second last.
[01:00] <OvenWerks> Anyway. I think there is a problem all right.
[01:01] <OvenWerks> It does not matter if they are USB or not (I think)
[01:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> So, the issue occurs with mono, right?
[01:01] <OvenWerks> I don't know if it is the mono part or not... I will try some more :)
[01:02] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ok, cool. I'm not in a position to test right now, sadly.
[01:04] <OvenWerks> mono device affects things for sure
[01:04] <OvenWerks> if I have stereo, mono, stereo, stereo I can choose any but the third one.
[01:05] <OvenWerks> The third one becomes the second one.
[01:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ok, I can see a usability issue with that.
[01:06] <OvenWerks> I don't have any mono out devices but I would imagine the problem is there too
[01:07] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, I don't either. I have one mono in device.
[01:07] <OvenWerks> I know where to look anyway.
[01:07] <OvenWerks> The code is the same in both cases
[01:08] <OvenWerks> The pulse bridges have always been a way of getting desktop out to jack outs for me...
[01:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, same here.
[01:17] <OvenWerks> What bothers me is that it did work the first time...
[04:18] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: I have attached a patched version of controls to the bug and asked th euser to try that.
[04:18] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Sounds good. If the patch works, are we looking at 2.0.9?
[04:20] <OvenWerks> yes
[04:20] <OvenWerks> It does seem to correct things here
[04:21] <OvenWerks> I am just doing the changelog so everything will be ready
[04:26] <Eickmeyer[m]> Sounds like a plan. I'll watch the bug report, but say the word and we'll get it in.
[16:04] <OvenWerks> I have in mind to wait <some amount of time> for a response on that bug and then release anyway. I was hoping for a confirm first so if there is still a problem it could all be one release.
[16:04] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: how long should <some amount of time> be?
[16:04] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: The standard is 60 days.
[16:05] <OvenWerks> Anyway, I will push the fix later today but not tag
[16:05] <OvenWerks> sounds like a long time.
[16:05] <Eickmeyer[m]> But, you can do what you want. We are in a bit of a time crunch though with Final Freeze on the horizon.
[16:06] <OvenWerks> so I will push the commit in the afternoon and you can tag if you need to get in.
[16:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> Sounds good.
[16:07] <OvenWerks> There was definately a wrong variable referenced when the device is mono.
[16:07] <Eickmeyer[m]> So, there was definitely a bug, the question is if this fixes his issue.
[16:08] <OvenWerks> right
[16:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> But, yeah, I think 24 hours is more than enough time to verify a bug fix, but if you feel as though it should fix the bug, we can do that. If it doesn't fix the bug, we can always reopen the bug.
[16:09] <OvenWerks> I have to change this code anyway as I allow more than 2 channel bridges some people have requested
[16:09] <OvenWerks> (part of 2.1.0
[16:09] <Eickmeyer[m]> Oh, cool!
[16:11] <OvenWerks> I have already changes the GUI and added the extra parameter to the config set/file, I just have to make it do something.
[16:11] <OvenWerks> I think I will change the extra devices tab to be similar to the pulse bridges tab.
[16:12] <OvenWerks> there will be a drop down that lists devices with the screen applying only to the currently selected device.
[16:16] <Eickmeyer[m]> Oh good! As long as it's a UX improvement, I'm all for it. :)
[16:16] <OvenWerks> I may add another tab for session manager stuff. So I can allow turning auto connect off.
[16:17] <OvenWerks> not just UX improvemnt but also allow for setting extra parameters per device.
[16:18] <MauroGaspari[m]> quick question about Carla. Do you guys know if there is any change in latest versions, or planned, so that Carla can be set to start minimized? I have not found anything to do that, so I used a script to launch it, then minimize it. Would be amazing if there could be a tick somewhere in the settings to do that.
[16:20] <OvenWerks> carla 2.2 is the latest out. I do not know if such a feature is included
[16:21] <OvenWerks> there are a number of changesin there and at least one change we had to comment out for now because of a jack bug
[16:22] <OvenWerks> maybe ask falktx on #kxstudio
[16:22] <OvenWerks> Also, I think some DEs allow setting applications to start minimized
[16:23] <OvenWerks> there is already a lot of work for Carla.next in the pipeline.
[16:23] <MauroGaspari[m]> Thanks, yes some do, like plasma, but would be super cool to have that little feat so anyone can enjoy it. But I do not want to bother with feature request as people are busy dealing with important features and fixes :)
[16:24] <MauroGaspari[m]> I am testing my small script so far seems to be working fine on Ubuntu Budgie + Studio tools
[16:25] <OvenWerks> ubuntustudio 20.10 is plasma based
[16:25] <OvenWerks> The layout is similar to now though.
[16:26] <OvenWerks> glad it works.
[16:29] <Eickmeyer[m]> Mauro Gaspari: I think the developer of Carla likes his feature requests to be at https://github.com/falktx/carla/issues.
[16:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Looks like you just got the go-ahead.
[19:46] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: cool, will deal with it in about 2 hours :)
[19:47] <Eickmeyer[m]> 👍
[21:26] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: Studio-controls 2.0.9
[21:28] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: new dev started at 2.0.21 for the eventual 2.1.0
[21:29] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Ok, working on 2.0.9.


[00:09] <dlaciv12> Hmm... The function key work when I'm on battery power.
[06:50] <aldo> using ubuntustudio 14.04 how can I set a high priority for my pci soundcard to minimize xruns?
[12:39] <Samul`> is there anyone here who is also in #ubuntu ?
[12:39] <Samul`> it looks like I'm banned from that channel but I don't know why
[12:39] <Samul`> since I haven't even been active in the last days
[12:39] <Unit193> !appeals | Samul`
[12:40] <Samul`> thank you
[15:04] <aldo> How do I give irq priority to my pci soundcard?
[21:43] <sdsadw22212> is there anyway to repair the login screen of tty7
[21:43] <sdsadw22212> ?
[21:44] <sdsadw22212> i can log in via shell in tty1-tty6 but the internet isn't starting up there.... i have no clue what i did to cause this problem
[21:44] <sdsadw22212> the problem being whenever i try to login via the gui in tty7 it just flashes black and puts me back into the login menu...
[21:47] <sdsadw22212> startxfce4 on tty1 terminal gives a unable to connect to X server: Resource temporarily unavailable


[01:49] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>bugfix for _package_revision_param (patch-50)
[02:00] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>more (mostly) notification-related fixes to malone (patch-717)
[02:02] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>back-end refactoring (patch-51)
[02:03] <ddaa> lifeless: good example of correctness-preservingly turning a mess of interdependent modules into something much more sane providing a Facade.
[02:03] <lifeless> congrats
[02:05] <ddaa> the next step (after command name customization) is abstracting out the command line generation.
[02:05] <ddaa> you've been talking about it in London.
[02:05] <ddaa> baz is going to make that something nice to have.
[09:38] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Moving commands into the commands dir (patch-46)
[01:11] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>merge from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(patch-47)
[01:28] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>create commands specific unit tests subtree (patch-48)
[02:02] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>merge in switch implementation from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(patch-49)
[03:25] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>fix hackerlab for all current gc warnings (patch-1)
[03:27] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>use stricter gcc flags for building (patch-2)
[03:38] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>fix baz for all current gcc warnings (patch-50)
[06:07] !lilo:*! <Geert> Irssi is planning a redesign of its project web-pages.  If you want to have your say in what we do with them, please join us in #irssi-site.
[06:07] !lilo:*! <Geert> We will be brainstorming and want to know what you, the users and public, feel is missing from the site, and what would make our web presence better.  Join us now!
[08:18] <elmo> spiv: ?
[10:27] <kiko> elmo, yo?
[10:47] <kiko> wtf is our Label sample data
[10:47] <kiko> grrrrr
[11:28] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>job name munging for buildbot (patch-718)
[11:35] <kiko> BradB, I need your help.
[11:35] <BradB> ?
[11:35] <kiko> and don't say you're not here
[11:35] <BradB> i'm not here!
[11:35] <kiko> vive la france!
[11:35] <kiko> dude
[11:35] <kiko> I am doing something like way way evil
[11:35] <ddaa> kiko: ?
[11:36] <ddaa> we won a football match against your team again, or what? :-P
[11:36] <kiko> no, no
[11:36] <kiko>     def architecturesReleased(self, distroRelease):
[11:36] <kiko>         # XXXkiko I am a criminal
[11:36] <kiko>         return SourcePackageRelease.__dict__['architecturesReleased'] (self, distroRelease)
[11:37] <kiko> hey
[11:37] <kiko> if you help me I will try and pretend I fell for it
[11:37] <kiko> basically I created a view but I want to proxy some of the requests to another class
[11:38] <kiko> BradB, how do I create an SQLBase manually?
[11:38] <kiko> can I instantiate it supplying an id?
[11:38] <ddaa> ya know, if we tell mark about that, you be accommodated in the stables in Spain...
[11:38] <kiko> I will bring you candy if you don't
[11:38] <kiko> dilys, you be quiet
[11:38] <BradB> hm, /me ponders momentarily
[11:39] <BradB> kiko: architecturesReleased = SourcePackageRelease.architecturesReleased maybe?
[11:40] <kiko> I don't think it will run because of Python's class-enforcement
[11:40] <BradB> yeah, hm
[11:40] <ddaa> kiko; I am not sure I understand, but the only reason i can see of doing what you do would be to bypass getattr/getattribute...
[11:40] <kiko> it's practically the same as calling SourcePackageRelease.architecturesReleased(self, ...)
[11:40] <kiko> yes
[11:40] <kiko> precisely
[11:40] <kiko> because I am impersonating a SourcePackageRelease with a view
[11:41] <ddaa> Which is pointless, because iirc, getattr is not used for attributes which exist. Dunno about getattribute.
[11:42] <kiko> ddaa, I am creating a database view
[11:42] <kiko> this means my query returns objects that are views and not real sourcepackagereleases
[11:43] <kiko> now some attributes there I have, but some I don't
[11:43] <ddaa> A view in the DBMS sense or in the MVC sense?
[11:43] <kiko> DBMS sense.
[11:43] <ddaa> Uh... what is that view for?
[11:43] <spiv> ddaa: getattribute is always called (for new-style classes).
[11:44] <kiko> joining 1000 different tables conveniently
[11:44] <ddaa> spiv: I was sure you knew everything of that kind of evil black magic :-)
[11:44] <kiko> spiv is allowed to provide opinions too
[11:44] <kiko> just this once
[11:44] <spiv> ddaa: http://users.rcn.com/python/download/Descriptor.htm
[11:45] <ddaa> Thanks.
[11:45] <kiko> ah!
[11:45] <kiko> it's easy!
[11:45] <spiv> kiko: Mixin class? (shudder)
[11:46] <BradB> kiko: why not just get rid of the __dict__?
[11:46] <ddaa> Ha, yes, descriptor is the thing I need to do to make my "memoized_property" decorator for pyarch one day.
[11:46] <spiv> BradB: Because self is not an instance of SourcePackageRelease, if I'm understanding correctly.
[11:46] <kiko> no!
[11:47] <BradB> pass in a good self then
[11:47] <kiko> it's just a proxy through one of the view's attributes
[11:47] <kiko> spiv, yes, that's right.
[11:47] <kiko> BradB, that was SUCH a wisecrack :)
[11:47] <ddaa> kiko: why not just create another sqlos class for your view?
[11:47] <BradB> spr = SourcePackageRelease.get(theid), etc.
[11:47] <kiko> I COMMAND THE SYSTEM
[11:47] <kiko>     def architecturesReleased(self, distroRelease):
[11:47] <kiko>         # Proxy to a real SourcePackageRelease
[11:47] <kiko>         return self.sourcepackagerelease.architecturesReleased(distroRelease)
[11:48] <spiv> That looks much saner, yeah.
[11:48] <BradB> heh, somehow i don't think we had the context to know that could suffice, but yeah, makes sense :)
[11:48] <ddaa> kiko: yeah, that looks like a regular Proxy pattern.
[11:48] <kiko> modeling SQL views as objects is horrible
[11:48] <kiko> I want to go back to gardening
[11:49] <spiv> Modelling relations as objects is horrible ;)
[11:49] <kiko> I WANT THE ZODB
[11:49] <ddaa> ++
[11:49] <ddaa> hu, spiv++
[11:50] <ddaa> dunno about zodb... btw maybe we could have used the underlying ODBMS of postgres instead of bothering with sql....
[11:50] <spiv> ddaa: ZODB is goodness.
[11:50] <spiv> dunno about postgres's odbms :)
[11:50] <ddaa> I'm skeptical of NIH, by principle.
[11:51] <spiv> Plus the ZODB guys keep finding weakref gc bugs in Python, so they must be clever ;)
[11:51] <ddaa> i dunno about postgres odbms either. But I trust the postgres people to know what they are doing.
[11:52] <ddaa> spiv: somehow, code that keeps hitting obscure bugs in commodity software has to be a bit over the top.
[11:52] <spiv> ddaa: I trust the ZODB guys :)
[11:52] <BradB> ddaa: the guy who wrote most of the ZODB is now employed by google. he has much clue.
[11:52] <ddaa> That's a good cred, indeed.
[11:52] <kiko> and the guy currently in charge knows more about Python that god
[11:53] <kiko> (or about anything that's written in 1s and 0s I suspect)
[11:55] <ddaa> Invoking the name of our leader in vain.
[11:55] <BradB> ouch!
[11:56] <ddaa> Lying. You can obviously wait, your are waiting at the moment.
[11:56] <BradB> point of order: poo. end point of order.
[11:57] <ddaa> :-)
[11:58] <ddaa> The game, some like harsh.
[11:58] <BradB> the first time i played it, all i knew was something about how you can make up your own rules. i was a bit too liberal in applying that knowledge.
[11:59] <ddaa> muhuwhahaha
[11:59] <ddaa> making new rules is _hard_
[11:59] <BradB> plus i was having a semi-scuffle in text messages on my cell with my girl back in montreal, so i wasn't thinking.
[11:59] <ddaa> harder than guessing them
[12:00] <BradB> yeah, i made a stupid one
[12:00] <BradB> kinnison is like the jrr tolkien of mao rules


[00:39] <ianorlin> Pamelloes: are you using function keys?
[08:24] <mdoge> hi, how can I change the 'mouse hover over window will focus window' setting?
[08:25] <mdoge> I dont think I have ever experienced something more annoying.
[21:10] <dte> hi


[12:36] <fdoving> nite.
[01:47] <nixternal> Riddell: if you get an email from the KDE sysadmins, put in a good word for me :)  I have Phil Rodriguez and a few others giving me their blessing :)
[01:47] <Riddell> nixternal: account for docs stuff?
[01:47] <nixternal> ya
[01:47] <Riddell> cool
[01:48] <nixternal> they are getting tired of me sending them 100 emails a day with patches, and not being able to triage the boogs myself
[01:48] <Jucato> they're gonna give you svn access? :)
[02:02] <nixternal> would be nice :)
[02:02] <nixternal> my name is earl is on :)
[02:02] <nixternal> bbiaf
[02:15] <Jucato> moin Hobbsee!!
[02:17] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato
[02:17] <Hobbsee> *dammit*
[02:17] <Hobbsee> the one thing i forgot to check for was pre-existing meetings..
[02:17] <Jucato> :P
[02:17] <Jucato> CC Meeting, eh?
[02:17] <Hobbsee> yeah
[02:18] <Hobbsee> mmm...that sucks
[02:18] <Hobbsee> that's your 3am isnt it, Jucato?
[02:18] <Jucato> so we're back to Wednesday?
[02:18] <Jucato> uh what time?
[02:19] <Hobbsee> Jucato: no, i didnt change it
[02:19] <Jucato> ah
[02:19] <Hobbsee> [12:17]  <Ubugtu> Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 10 Jan 02:00: LoCo Team | 10 Jan 03:00: Forum Council | 10 Jan 06:00: Kubuntu Developers | 10 Jan 08:00: Community Council | 10 Jan 23:00: Edubuntu | 12 Jan 08:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[02:20] <Jucato> hm... CC meeting is on Jan 10... didn't you reschedule ours on Jan 9?
[02:21] <Jucato> 08:00 UTC = 4pm here, I think
[02:21] <Riddell> they're both 9th in UTC time
[02:21] <Riddell> why not Monday?
[02:21] <Jucato> ah ok... that was for AU time... @_@
[02:26] <Jucato> Good night Riddell! and sorry for last night
[02:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: no major problem - just less time for people to think and add to the agenda
[02:30] <Hobbsee> Jucato: that paste is in au time, btw
[02:30] <Jucato> heh yeah, I realized. the CC meeting is 5am my time
[02:30] <Hobbsee> yeah, yuck
[02:30] <Hobbsee> Jucato: you want @schedule <city>
[02:31] <Jucato> I'm there :)
[02:31] <Jucato> yeah 5am... I don't attend CC meetings anyway heheh
[02:45] <ryanakca> weee!
[02:45] <Jucato> hi ryanakca
[02:45] <ryanakca> I finally managed to convince my mum to have a 30 day trial with kubuntu :D
[02:45] <crimsun> awesome.
[02:45] <Hobbsee> hey ryanakca!
[02:46] <ryanakca> hey Hobbsee
[02:46] <Jucato> nice
[02:46] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RyanKavanagh ... I'm applying for membership at the meeting :)
[02:46] <ryanakca> crimsun: yeah... really awesome, considering it took me a month and a half to get her to switch from IE to Firefox...
[02:47] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: woot!  :)
[02:47] <crimsun> I love the fact that my folks don't care; they just want what works. And that's what Breezy's doing for them.
[02:47] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[02:47] <Hobbsee> till it's EOL'd, of course
[02:48] <Jucato> Hobbsee: now you really have to make sure ryanakca can come to the meeting :P
[02:48] <Hobbsee> Jucato: hahaha, indeed
[02:48] <crimsun> already have the update-manager -d -c set for the EOL
[02:48] <Hobbsee> first was warty :P
[02:49] <ryanakca> warty... 4.10 iirc...
[02:49] <Hobbsee> yup
[02:49] <crimsun> I have fond memories of 4.10
[02:49] <ryanakca> yeah... back then I was looking for the distro on which setting up a mail server was easiest...
[02:50] <crimsun> jani and I were stuffing sources.list with Debian KDE & Xfce repos
[02:50] <ryanakca> only managed to get it setup this summer...
[02:50] <ryanakca> lol
[02:50] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:50] <ryanakca> and then upgrading to edgy a couple weeks later whiped it out :D
[02:50] <Hobbsee> ubuntu's nice for setting up a file server on, we found
[02:51] <ryanakca> is fish konqueror only? or does it work in Thunar or Nautilus?
[02:51] <Hobbsee> it's a kioslave....iric
[02:51] <ryanakca> kk
[02:52] <Jucato> yep, kioslave only
[02:52] <Jucato> fish:// and KDE's implementation of sftp://
[02:52] <ryanakca> kk
[02:53] <Jucato> hm.. there's a kk:// ? :P
[02:53] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ongoing ping.  x2 things, iirc.
[02:54] <ryanakca> brb, now that I have her HD backed up :)
[02:54] <ryanakca> no :P
[02:54] <Jucato> Hobbsee: he hasn't pong'ed back, has he?
[02:54] <Hobbsee> Jucato: nope
[02:54] <Hobbsee> but he should see that
[03:02] <Hobbsee> heya neoncode, jpetso
[03:02] <jpetso> hi Hobbsee
[03:03] <ryanakca> hmm... for some reason I can't resize the ntfs partition on the LiveCD...
[03:03] <ryanakca> s/on/with
[03:11] <bddebian> Heya
[03:11] <Jucato> boo! :P
[03:12] <bddebian> heh
[03:14] <Hobbsee|Remote> ryanakca: file hte kdepim bug upstream, and link it.  dont assign anything to me unless i say i'll fix it
[03:14] <ryanakca> hmm???
[03:14] <Jucato> lol
[03:15] <ryanakca> Oh!
[03:15] <Hobbsee> earlier
[03:15] <ryanakca> now I know what you're talking about
[03:15] <ryanakca> kk
[03:15] <Hobbsee> and that's in a machine i was ssh'd to, with irssi and screen
[03:15] <ryanakca> lol
[03:15] <ryanakca> hey bddebian
[03:16] <bddebian> Hi ryanakca
[03:16] <Jucato> heh
[03:18] <Hobbsee> haha @ that ubuntu stats, and msot active people by time of day
[03:18] <Hobbsee> haha @ the some big numbers, too
[03:19] <Hobbsee|Remote> nixternal: *cries*
[03:20] <Jucato> :O
[03:20] <Jucato> where's that stats page?
[03:22] <nixternal> uh oh
[03:22] <nixternal> link link!
[03:22] <Jucato> linky!?!?
[03:24] <nixternal> http://ubuntustats.homelinux.org
[03:24] <nixternal> Hobbsee|Remote: you talk to much :)
[03:24] <nixternal> haha, im right behind ya
[03:25] <Jucato> on which channel?
[03:25] <nixternal> this one
[03:25] <Jucato> aah
[03:25] <nixternal> Hobbsee|Remote: yells a lot !38
[03:25] <nixternal> gahahahahaha
[03:25] <Jucato> yay! I'm no longer top at @kubuntu :)
[03:34] <Hobbsee> nixternal: haha
[03:35] <Jucato> isn't that against the IRC guidelines? :p
[03:35] <Hobbsee> if i'm doing nick changes, yes
[03:35] <Hobbsee> if it's multiple clients, no
[03:36] <Jucato> hehe
[03:36] <Hobbsee|Remote> ryanakca: that i know of who use it, yes
[03:37] <Hobbsee|Remote> @ your comment to Riddell
[03:38] <Hobbsee|Remote> @ schedule times, i have the trouble that i work so much, and have uni, that i dont relaly know when i'm available, until about a week before.  unless it's a 6am meeting
[03:40] <Hobbsee|Remote> oops
[03:41] <Hobbsee> OK, bye!
[03:41] <Hobbsee> work time!
[06:21] <manchicken> Riddell: Thanks for the add.
[06:22] <manchicken> Okay, that said, it's chicken beddy-bye time.
[06:22] <Jucato> hi manchicken! happy new year!
[06:22] <manchicken> See you all tomorrow.  It'll be a nice hacking time.
[06:22] <manchicken> Jucato: You as well my friend.
[06:22] <manchicken> Have a good night all.
[06:22] <Jucato> sweet dreams!
[06:23] <manchicken> BTW, ATI drivers (particularly for radeon xpress 200m) **SUCK** on laptops.  All A
[06:23] <manchicken> All ACPI seems hosed with them.
[06:24] <manchicken> Just thought I'd put that out there.  I should submit a bug report, but I didn't want to have to fight with collecting info.  It'd just be better to tell folks to avoid proprietary drivers. ^_^
[06:24] <manchicken> That said, night.
[08:31] <Hobbsee> hehe, oh dear
[08:31] <Hobbsee> heya Jucato :)
[08:31] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee! any change in the meeting schedule?
[08:32] <Hobbsee> Jucato: havent thought about it - my brain doesnt do that well with world times
[08:32] <Jucato> heh... not very pretty is it... then add the DST dance to that...
[08:34] <Hobbsee> nope
[08:48] <Kuhrscher> Hi everybody
[08:48] <Kuhrscher> Who generates the source tarballs of adept? Still mornfall?
[08:48] <Hobbsee> mornfall i believe, yeah
[08:49] <Kuhrscher> Since the last changes in svn have been done by Riddell...
[08:49] <Jucato> hm.. was Adept the successor of Kapture?
[08:49] <Jucato> I think mornfall committed some changes to KDE SVN lately, too
[08:51] <Kuhrscher> Yes, you are right.
[08:54] <Kuhrscher> I just noticed that in the recent release (2.1.2) the upstream translations from svn are missing
[08:55] <Kuhrscher> It was the same for 2.1.1 some months ago...
[09:14] <Kuhrscher> Ok, I'll contact mornfall directly
[09:14] <Kuhrscher> Bye
[10:02] <Jucato> wb Hobbsee
[10:05] <Hobbsee> :)
[10:13] <fabo> sebas: could you take a look to the submitted patch -> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=405133 , TIA
[10:13] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 405133 in kde-guidance "messes up the display resolution (i.e. the dpi setting)" [Normal,Open]
[10:20] <sebas> fabo: Reviewing now
[10:21] <fabo> thks
[10:23] <sebas> Hm, dunno if we want this.
[10:23] <sebas> Simon has spent quite some time getting the DPI setting right (tm)
[10:23] <sebas> And it touches this stuff, of course.
[10:23] <sebas> I'd rather have him look at it
[10:24] <sebas> Can you email this to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:24] <sebas> It'll take some time before he reads it, he's on vacation, but will be back well before the Feisty merge window closes
[10:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[10:24] <Tonio_> hello all
[10:24] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_
[10:24] <Tonio_> sebas: hey
[10:25] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: how are you ?
[10:25] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: good ;)
[10:25] <sebas> Tonio_: Bonjour, good as ever :)
[10:25] <Tonio_> I which I could say the same......
[10:25] <sebas> What's wrong?
[10:25] <Tonio_> my girlfriend just break our relationship....
[10:26] <Hobbsee> ack!  why?
[10:26] <sebas> Ouch :/
[10:26] <Tonio_> last week  we were planning the wedding
[10:26] <fabo> ouch
[10:26] <Tonio_> why ?
[10:26] <Tonio_> because her parents don't like me and it seems to hard for her to help me on that point
[10:26] <Tonio_> she prefers to stop everything, after 6 years
[10:27] <sebas> So she's going to marry her parents instead? :/
[10:27] <Tonio_> we were talking about a baby three days ago
[10:27] <Hobbsee> :(
[10:27] <Tonio_> but the most stupid thing is that she admits that her mother his wrong, didn't make any effort, and she admits I've done the right things
[10:27] <Tonio_> and she also claims she loves me
[10:28] <Hobbsee> she's giving up because it's too hard?
[10:28] <Tonio_> did someone ever saw such a stupid context ?
[10:28] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: looks too hard for her to support me
[10:28] <Tonio_> and to pressure her mother to make an effort
[10:28] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: and to defy her parents, presumably
[10:28] <Jucato> :(
[10:28] <praetor> Tonio_: woah, thats harsh man
[10:28] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yeah, but after 1 years I would understand, if she was 18
[10:28] <Tonio_> not when 26 and baby + wedding planed !!!!!
[10:29] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: that's what i would have thought
[10:29] <Tonio_> that's the most incredible and stupid break I've seen in my life
[10:29] <Tonio_> with adult people I mean
[10:30] <Tonio_> so the point is that I have to leave kubuntufor a moment.......... take a break
[10:30] <Tonio_> that's all my life that is destroyed
[10:30] <Hobbsee> :(
[10:30] <Tonio_> I quited my job 3 month ago to go living with her
[10:30] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: how long have you known about this for?
[10:31] <Tonio_> I've left everything for her..........
[10:31] <Tonio_> my job, my appartment, my friends........... and now she destroys everything......
[10:31] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: 2 hours
[10:31] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: do you think she'll reconsider?
[10:31] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: will I be ale to pardon this ?
[10:31] <Tonio_> able
[10:32] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: sorry, i dont understand
[10:32] <Jucato> that really... sucks... :(
[10:32] <Tonio_> can I accept she can take such stupid decisions after such a long time toogether ?
[10:32] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: everyone screws up.  do you love her enough to?
[10:32] <Tonio_> just because of her fucking mother
[10:32] <Hobbsee> particularly as she;s likely to have been pressured massively on this
[10:32] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I love her, of course, but I don't know if I can pardon this.........
[10:33] <Tonio_> would you pardon someone that breaks instead of supporting you when she also agrees that her mother caused the problem ?
[10:33] <Tonio_> not that much people I know would pardon this....
[10:33] <Hobbsee> honestly?
[10:33] <Tonio_> yes
[10:33] <Tonio_> be honnest
[10:33] <Hobbsee> i'd give it a bit of time, to see how myself and $partner felt after a few days, then look at the situation
[10:34] <sebas> But then I'm not french :-)
[10:34] <Tonio_> sebas: :)
[10:34] <Tonio_> I already did enough for her and  she does consider this
[10:35] <Tonio_> it looks like just "normal" for her
[10:35] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes but are you 27 ?
[10:35] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: not according to my drivers licence
[10:35] <Tonio_> everyone does big mistakes
[10:36] <Tonio_> but that mistake when we just announced the wedding to everyone..........
[10:37] <Hobbsee> but i would suspect your girlfriend regrets it
[10:37] <Tonio_> maybe she will
[10:37] <Tonio_> but she looks unlogic enough to think she did good.....
[10:38] <Tonio_> "I love you, you have done everything right, you just quit everything for me, that's the end, byebye"
[10:38] <Tonio_> that's the resume.......
[10:38] <Jucato> :O
[10:39] <Tonio_> okay I don't want to complain too much here....
[10:39] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: it's fine
[10:39] <Tonio_> I'll be back one day, but I don't know when, I have to take a break
[10:39] <Hobbsee> OK
[10:40] <Tonio_> find a job, an appartment, and reconstruct my brain......
[10:40] <Hobbsee> yes, i was about to ask what you were going to do
[10:40] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I don't know......
[10:40] <Tonio_> I don't know what and where.....
[10:40] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: hmmm....
[10:40] <Tonio_> I don't want to go back in my parents home
[10:41] <sebas> Tonio_: Take the time you need, and veel warmly welcome when you're back
[10:41] <Tonio_> how can I annouce everything is over ???? we announced our wedding 3 days ago !
[10:41] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i'd wait a bit, see how you all feel tomorrow
[10:41] <Tonio_> probably angry
[10:42] <Tonio_> that's what happens at the second stage
[10:42] <sebas> Don't break all the bridges behind you right now
[10:42] <crimsun> Tonio_: as bad as it is, at least KDE didn't leave you for GNOME.
[10:43] <sebas> It doesn't sound like there really is no way to work things out
[10:43] <Tonio_> crimsun: ;) thanks for trying not to complain to much !
[10:43] <sebas> Not that *I* can judge, just sounds like that
[10:43] <Tonio_> it is probably better for me to ear this....
[10:43] <Tonio_> that's why I'm affraid of announcing that to my parents and friends.........
[10:43] <Tonio_> 2 month of complains are coming
[10:44] <Hobbsee> sebas: sounds like that to me too
[10:44] <Tonio_> sebas: yeah but the problem is that it always break things........
[10:45] <Tonio_> it'll create further problem
[10:45] <Tonio_> I don't know if I'll be able to beleive in her once again.....
[10:46] <Hobbsee> why dont you cross that bridge when you come to it?
[10:46] <Hobbsee> instead of trying to figure it all out now?
[10:46] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: because I probably won't come to it.....
[10:46] <Tonio_> well I have to empty my brain
[10:46] <Tonio_> I'm leaving now... thanks for listening to my complains, and I hope to see you soon
[10:47] <Tonio_> have a good day
[10:47] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: OK.  glad you could come in to see us though
[10:47] <praetor> Tonio_: take care of yourself man, all the best
[10:47] <sebas> Tonio_: Have strength!
[10:47] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'll be back, just don't know when
[10:47] <Tonio_> thanks everyone !
[10:50] <Hobbsee> uh oh, i think soyuz ate my upload..
[10:51] <Hobbsee> !sru
[10:51] <ubotu> Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates for main and restricted, while https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU is for universe and multiverse.
[11:06] <Hobbsee> whee!
[11:09] <Jucato> you are?
[11:09] <Hobbsee> yup
[11:09] <Hobbsee> Changes:
[11:09] <Hobbsee>  texfam (1.2.1-9ubuntu2) feisty; urgency=low
[11:09] <Hobbsee>  .
[11:09] <Hobbsee>    * Hobbsee put *down* that crack pipe!  Circular dependancies are bad!!!
[11:10] <Jucato> heh :)
[11:10] <Hobbsee> package was depending on itself to install.  oops
[11:13] <Jucato> that would be a funny app :)
[11:14] <Jucato> hm...
[11:30] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, pong ( x2 )
[11:30] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yay :)
[11:30] <Jucato> pong pong :)
[11:30] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: now there are three :)
[11:30] <imbrandon> hehe
[11:31] <imbrandon> one i can tell you right now, build.imbrandon.com is getting an upgrade
[11:31] <Jucato> moin imbrandon
[11:31] <imbrandon> :)
[11:31] <imbrandon> moins Jucato
[11:31] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: summary:  1.  my ssh account.  2. can praetor get a shell on buntudot, so he has a place to upload?  3.  daily builds for svn konvi
[11:31] <Hobbsee> :D
[11:31] <Hobbsee> tia, ie, thanks in advance :)
[11:31] <Hobbsee> oh, 4, we plan for a meeting next week
[11:32] <imbrandon> konvi i'm working on right as we speak, sure get me in touch with praetor and build. is getting a hdd upgrade
[11:32] <imbrandon> and i seen the email about the meeting , all good from me
[11:32] <Hobbsee> way cool :)
[11:32] <Hobbsee> praetor: is here
[11:32] <Hobbsee> or was a bit ago, anyway
[11:32] <imbrandon> kk
[11:33] <imbrandon> if he dosent catch me have him email, but i'll be on for the next 9 or so hours
[11:33] <Jucato> wow 9 hours? :)
[11:33] <imbrandon> Jucato, i just got into work ;)
[11:34] <Jucato> aaah
[11:49] <Jucato> um.. who's the contact person for Kubuntu documentation?
[11:49] <crimsun> rich, maybe?
[11:49] <crimsun> (nixternal)
[11:50] <Jucato> ah ok thanks
[11:50] <crimsun> it's 4:50a
[11:50] <Jucato> too early... :)
[11:50] <Jucato> yeah
[12:36] <ryanakca> weee... when installing kubuntu it looks like I hosed my mum's windows... it crashes at boot each time it encounters NDIS.sys
[12:36] <ryanakca> took me an hour to fix Mup.sys
[12:36] <Hobbsee> ouchy
[12:37] <ryanakca> Oh well, I guess she'll just have to use kubuntu for the day :)
[12:37] <ryanakca> all her files are there at least
[12:38] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:38] <ryanakca> so, what time is the meetings at?
[12:40] <Hobbsee> erm. next question
[12:43] <ryanakca> erm... why is windows acting up? (other than the fact it's windows)
[12:45] <ryanakca> praetor: weee! thanks :P
[12:47] <praetor> lol there is a windows support channel
[12:47] <praetor> who woulda thought
[12:47] <Hobbsee> praetor: ##windows
[12:47] <Hobbsee> praetor: and email imbrandon, if he's not here now
[12:48] <praetor> Hobbsee: yea I had a chat to him already, cheers
[12:48] <Hobbsee> praetor: :)
[01:13] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: I'm screwed
[01:13] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: oh dear.  why?
[01:13] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: ##windows says to format and reinstall windows
[01:13] <Hobbsee> ah
[01:14] <Hobbsee> youv'e attempted to purge norcrap?
[01:14] <Hobbsee> actually, if norcrap has been on your system, you'd really do better to format and reinstall windows, just to purge that off it.
[01:14] <praetor> ryanakca: didn't they tell you to reboot? :O
[01:15] <ryanakca> it was an OEM install of ME... no CD.... she bought an upgrade to xp cd and had it install/upgraded... I'd borrow an XP install cd... except the auth key I is for ME... not XP... and she lost the stuff
[01:15] <ryanakca> norcrap?
[01:15] <Hobbsee> any norton products
[01:15] <ryanakca> lol
[01:15] <praetor> loll
[01:15] <ryanakca> Yes...
[01:15] <Hobbsee> any problem goes away when you purge norton.
[01:15] <praetor> or reboot
[01:15] <ryanakca> Norton GoBack... which is what I'm guessing is causing all the problems
[01:15] <Hobbsee> praetor: problems that cant be solved by a reboot
[01:16] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: does windows boot?
[01:16] <ryanakca> praetor: I can't get windows to boo
[01:16] <ryanakca> t
[01:16] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: i'm sure someone has an XP serial, btw
[01:16] <ryanakca> [07:06]  <ryanakca> why does windows crash at ntfs.sys each time I boot? it gets there in safe mode, and then reboots. I have a recovery CD
[01:16] <ryanakca> [07:06]  <-- Edijus has left this server.
[01:16] <ryanakca> [07:06]  <rikkus> ryanakca: your system sounds screwed. Format, installl Windows, restore data from backup.
[01:16] <ryanakca> same response from 2 people :D
[01:16] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:16] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: hmm... take it off the school computers...
[01:17] <praetor> all windows problems can be solved by a reboot
[01:17] <praetor> this is a universal truth
[01:17] <Hobbsee> praetor: not quite all.
[01:17] <ryanakca> except she expects (hehe, say that 10 times fast)... to use it today
[01:17] <Hobbsee> although, removing norcrap requires a reboot too
[01:17] <ryanakca> praetor: what if the problem is an endless rebooting loob
[01:17] <Jucato> some can be solved by reformatting :)
[01:17] <ryanakca> *loop
[01:17] <Hobbsee> Jucato: *grin*
[01:17] <ryanakca> lol
[01:17] <praetor> the 3r's: Reboot, Reformat, Reinstall
[01:18] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: hrm.  good luck with that.  kubuntu it is
[01:18] <praetor> the tools of a Windows System Administrator
[01:18] <ryanakca> yeah
[01:18] <Jucato> hehe :)
[01:18] <ryanakca> lol
[01:19] <jsgotangco> don't forget to Re-run the disk defrag utility!
[01:19] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco!!!!!!
[01:19] <ryanakca> lol
[01:20] <ryanakca> oooh, just thought of something
[01:21] <Jucato> logs of hugging...
[01:21] <Jucato> yay!
[01:22] <Jucato> I was about to say "/me feels jealousy building up"
[01:22] <ryanakca> jsgotangco: wow... must be some newfangled technology of the past... new year was 5 days ago... how can you communicate with the future?
[01:37] <ryanakca> ooh.. meeting is at 1900UTC?
[01:37] <Hobbsee> yeah
[01:37] <Hobbsee> so far :P
[01:39] <ryanakca> hmm... I get home at about 2030UTC... oh well, I'm sure the meeting will last a couple of hours (seeing that the last was 2-3 hours long) and that membership will be towards the end... if not... alwais next time :)
[01:39] <Hobbsee> ah right, so that's trouble for three people then
[01:39] <Hobbsee> that was just nixternal's suggestion, as i wasnt there
[01:39] <ryanakca> ah
[01:39] <ryanakca> here, I have an idea
[01:40] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: my movements are so fluid i'm not sure it'd help much
[01:45] <Jucato_> yay.. kubuntu theming guide done and uploaded to my site... now to determine where else it should go...
[01:46] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:46] <Jucato_> er.. s/yay.../yay!!!/
[01:46] <Jucato_> (didn't sound very happy :P )
[01:47] <Riddell> Jucato_: what does that describe?
[01:48] <Jucato> Riddell: just a simple guide on how to theme Kubuntu. I adepted it from the the KDE theming guide in KDE User Guide
[01:48] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell
[01:48] <Jucato> http://jucato.org/kde/kubuntuthemes.html
[01:48] <Hobbsee> Zerlinna!!!
[01:49] <ryanakca> hey Zerlinna
[01:49] <Zerlinna> hi Hobbsee :)
[01:49] <Zerlinna> hi ryanakca
[01:49] <Jucato> here's the KDE Theming Guide: http://docs.kde.org/userguide/customizing-desktop.html
[01:49] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meeting/Time    ... might not look "professional"... but it's a start
[01:50] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: nice.  where are you, again?
[01:50] <Hobbsee> it's only Jucato and myself on this side of the world, isnt it?
[01:50] <ryanakca> Canada, Ontario, Kingston
[01:50] <Jucato> hehe :)
[01:50] <ryanakca> well, I'm half way there
[01:51] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: oh, might want to add some hours into January 10th... for the people where timezones would make it go overboard
[01:51] <Hobbsee> true
[01:54] <Hobbsee> it appears we have 2 kubuntu meetinsg, anyway
[01:54] <ryanakca> 2?
[01:54] <ryanakca> when where how?
[01:54] <Hobbsee> on fridge
[01:55] <Hobbsee> wow, that's a lot of meetings for oen day
[01:56] <Hobbsee> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event
[01:57] <ryanakca> yeah
[01:58] <ryanakca> 1 kubuntu one followed by an edubuntu one?
[01:59] <Hobbsee> look at the day before
[01:59] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i screwed it up :P
[02:00] <Jucato> heh no worries.. as long as it's not 4am here (7am there), I can still make it :)
[02:00] <Hobbsee> yeah, well...
[02:01] <Jucato> anyway, if I don't make it, my absence is no big deal :)
[02:03] <Hobbsee> well, arent you a core part of the testing team?
[02:03] <Hobbsee> argh.  the week after next is LCA
[02:03] <Hobbsee> oh wait, that starts at 3
[02:06] <ryanakca> LCA?
[02:06] <Jucato> join me in my confusion :)
[02:06] <Hobbsee> linux conf australia
[02:07] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: major linux conf that a whole lot of ubuntu devs and other people are coming to
[02:07] <ryanakca> ah
[02:09] <ryanakca> hey manchicken, mhb_
[02:09] <Riddell> yo manchicken
[02:09] <Jucato> hi manchicken, hi mhb
[02:10] <Zerlinna> hi mhb_
[02:10] <manchicken> Yo.
[02:14] <ryanakca> meh, I'll just work on getting Kubuntu set up and configured for her instead of fixing windows... I've spend enough time trying to fix it... anywais, she has a windows laptop she can use...
[02:19] <ryanakca> Riddell: shall I send you the volunteer hours and and the patch in chunks? I'm at three hours on the patch and I'm a 3rd done... 40MB patch...
[02:21] <Riddell> ryanakca: ok
[02:23] <ravermeister> hello i have got a question
[02:24] <ravermeister> when i type system:/
[02:24] <ravermeister> in my konqueror, i get an entry called
[02:24] <ravermeister> storage media
[02:24] <ravermeister> in earlier times he showed media:/
[02:24] <ravermeister> but now he shows /media, how can i change it?
[02:25] <ravermeister> i'm now using kubuntu edgy, before it was dapper, and there was a .desktop file somewhere in /usr/share
[02:27] <ravermeister> can anybody help me? or say where the location of the .desktop file of storage media is?
[02:27] <Riddell> /usr/share/apps/systemview/media.desktop ?
[02:28] <ravermeister> :) thx
[02:28] <ravermeister> that was it
[02:28] <ravermeister> was searching for it about half an hour
[02:29] <ryanakca> Riddell: export to CSV file?
[02:29] <ryanakca> or ?
[02:33] <Riddell> ryanakca: what are you using?
[02:33] <ryanakca> KArm
[02:33] <Riddell> ryanakca: should be a way to export to a nice text file
[02:34] <Riddell> or just copy to clipboard maybe?
[02:34] <ryanakca> kk
[02:36] <gnomefreak> kubuntu installs ubuntu-standard right?
[02:38] <ryanakca> hmm...
[02:38] <ryanakca> gnomefreak: think so...
[02:38] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: dont think so
[02:39] <ryanakca> or no
[02:39] <gnomefreak> i hope so
[02:39] <Hobbsee> it's not listed as an rdep, but i have it installed..
[02:39] <ryanakca> apt-cache show kubuntu-desktop | grep -i standard            doesn't show anything
[02:39] <Jucato> ditto
[02:40] <gnomefreak> i know i checked already but im hoping it installs it or i have a big issue to work out on someones upgrade :(
[02:40] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: it's got no rdepends - why would it be installed?
[02:40] <Riddell> it comes on the CD
[02:40] <Hobbsee> ah
[02:40] <Riddell> and is installed by default
[02:41] <Hobbsee> appeared to have, anyway
[02:41] <gnomefreak> ok cool ;)
[02:41] <gnomefreak> ty everyone
[02:46] <ryanakca> Riddell: should be sent, if not, tell me....
[02:59] <mhb> hi everyone
[02:59] <mhb> is the meeting time problem solved yet?
[03:02] <Hobbsee> Jucato: what reason?
[03:02] <Jucato> this latest patch I'm making for Konqi...
[03:02] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:03] <mhb> jack_at_home: you should fix your connection
[03:03] <mhb> jack_wyt____: ^^
[03:04] <mhb> Hobbsee: I take that as no
[03:04] <Hobbsee> mhb: no, but right now i'm looking at it
[03:04] <Hobbsee> as opposed to before, when i was just ignoring it
[03:05] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: is the 2030 hometime every day, or just wednesday?
[03:05] <Hobbsee> er, tuesday
[03:05] <Hobbsee> hey Lure_
[03:06] <Lure_> hi Hobbsee - happy new year!
[03:06] <Hobbsee> right, if we meet this week, at the preferred time (2200) UTC, it can either be monday, wednesday, or friday (utc days)
[03:06] <Riddell> ryanakca: don't see it
[03:06] <Hobbsee> Lure: :)
[03:06] <Hobbsee> Lure: you too :)
[03:06] <Hobbsee> or change the meeting time, or bump to next week
[03:07] <Hobbsee> or ignore the CC meeting, and meet in #kubuntu-devel
[03:07] <Hobbsee> er, #kubuntu-meeting
[03:09] <Hobbsee> someone unban him when he has a stable connection please.  jack_at_home ^
[03:09] <Hobbsee> jack_at_home: change the nick of that, and you'll be able to get back in
[03:09] <Riddell> I'd rather not ignore the CC, I might be needed
[03:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that's what i was thinking.
[03:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what would be your thoughts on a monday meeting?
[03:10] <Hobbsee> is that cutting out anyone?
[03:10] <Hobbsee> your monday night
[03:10] <Hobbsee> (seeing as we can have any time we want, according to the fridge)
[03:12] <Hobbsee> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=1&day=8&year=2007&hour=22&min=0&sec=0&p1=0
[03:13] <mhb> monday works for me, but this time we should wait and ask more people before posting it on the fridge
[03:13] <Hobbsee> mhb: i asked.  no one replied.  you are on the ML, arent you?
[03:14] <mhb> at least ask the people with agenda points & proposed members
[03:14] <mhb> Hobbsee: you asked on the ML about monday?
[03:14] <Hobbsee> mhb: no, i asked when was a good time for the meeting
[03:14] <Hobbsee> prior to about 12 hours ago, i didnt check for the CC meeting, and note that it was a problem
[03:17] <Hobbsee> hey gnomefreak
[03:19] <mhb> Riddell: topic says "add to the agenda" - should I add discussing the mockups of the kmilo volume up/down pop-up?
[03:20] <gnomefreak> hi
[03:21] <Hobbsee> mhb: could be interesting to give a status update, if you wanted.  *shrugs*
[03:21] <Riddell> mhb: sure
[03:22] <mhb> Hobbsee: status update? I didn't understand that.
[03:22] <Hobbsee> mhb: dont worry then
[03:22] <mhb> Hobbsee: I still want to know what you meant though
[03:23] <Hobbsee> mhb: as in, how it's going.  the mockup
[03:23] <Hobbsee> oh i dont know
[03:24] <Hobbsee> hey raphink
[03:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: tonio_'s taking a break - i presume you read the backscroll?
[03:25] <Jucato> sad.. really sad...
[03:25] <raphink> hi Hobbsee
[03:25] <raphink> happy new year
[03:26] <Hobbsee> raphink: you too :)
[03:26] <allee> Hobbsee: how long will be tonio's break?
[03:27] <Hobbsee> allee: as long as it takes him to recover, it seems
[03:27] <Hobbsee> allee: /topic
[03:28] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:28] <Hobbsee> raphink: ditto, /topic if you're interested
[03:28] <raphink> I'll try
[03:29] <allee> Hobbsee: thx for the info
[03:29] <allee> Hobbsee: meeting: 8th is fine for me
[03:29] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: 2030... that's everyday... when the bus gets back
[03:29] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: right :)
[03:29] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: monday is fine with me
[03:30] <Hobbsee> OK
[03:31] <ryanakca> Riddell: kk... hmm
[03:34] <ryanakca> ?
[03:34] <allee> Hobbsee: afair just use @SIG@ as is.  (preview does not translate it,but when saved it's tranlated)
[03:35] <Hobbsee> allee: that doesnt appear to work for me :(
[03:35] <mhb> ryanakca: if that question mark was for me - read the logs
[03:38] <allee> Hobbsee: Mhmm, I've added on my wiki page (without the double quotes): "test SIG. @SIG@", saved the page, and "test SIG. -- AchimBohnet 2007-01-05 15:37:00" was shown
[03:39] <Hobbsee> hrm, OK
[03:40] <allee> Hobbsee: add a pointing stick sensitvie wiki to the agenda
[03:40] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:40] <Hobbsee> that was even before my pointy stick
[03:41] <ryanakca> ah
[03:41] <ryanakca> eeeps! pointy stick
[03:43] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:50] <matus> ko
[03:52] <Hobbsee> http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200701/pup/hamachikk1.png
[03:52] <Hobbsee> haha
[03:53] <Jucato> heh
[03:53] <Jucato> that actually made me smile a bit
[03:53] <Hobbsee> http://thedailywtf.com/Default.aspx
[03:56] <jdong> Klaus Knopper I passionately hate you
[03:56] <jdong> stop releasing knoppix updates faster than I can download them!
[03:56] <Riddell> a bit harsh that
[03:57] <jdong> Riddell: I only passionately hate in the figurative, loving sort of way ;-)
[03:58] <seaLne> when is the meeting next week? the fridge has 2 meetings listed neither of which match wiki/Kubuntu/Meetings
[03:58] <mhb> seaLne: see /topic
[03:58] <Hobbsee> seaLne: ^ /topic
[03:59] <seaLne> so http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event is definitly wrong as i thought?
[03:59] <Hobbsee> yes
[04:00] <ryanakca> Riddell: sent
[04:01] <ryanakca> lol
[04:01] <Hobbsee> seaLne: basically, i screwed up, nixternal will presumably change it, when he wakes up
[04:03] <mhb> Hobbsee: I'll change the date at Kubuntu/Meetings for now ...
[04:03] <Hobbsee> mhb: thanks
[04:04] <seaLne> ah it actually lasts 22hrs on fridge not 2 meetings, that sounds fun
[04:05] <Hobbsee> hah
[04:05] <Hobbsee> useful
[04:09] <Riddell> ryanakca: mm, yes, 10MB e-mails will tend to get stuck in one of my mail hops :)
[04:10] <ryanakca> lol
[04:10] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:13] <Riddell> ryanakca: so what's this a patch for and why is it so huge?
[04:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it's full of crack, most likely :P
[04:15] <ryanakca> ah, the patch... it's to reorganise the layout of doc-linux-html (from source package doc-linux) to fix bug 76315 (iirc)... why is it so huge? because it will basicly contain the whole package when I'm done... (I'm still debating on making a patch or making a new .tar.bz2 containing all the HOWTOs to replace the current one)...
[04:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76315 in doc-linux "Some -HOWTOs have been removed" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76315
[04:15] <ryanakca> nope... not it, just a sec, I'll get the number
[04:16] <ryanakca> bug 76320
[04:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76320 in doc-linux "doc-linux-html is messy and inconsistent" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76320
[04:17] <ryanakca> (I'm fixing 76315, 76320, 76313 and 76312 ...)
[04:20] <ryanakca> say there's foobar-HOWTO.html, foobar-HOWTO-1.html, foobar-HOWTO-2.html, foobar-HOWTO-3.html, I make the directory   foobar-HOWTO, copy over foobar-HOWTO.html, foobar-HOWTO-1.html, foobar-HOWTO-2.html, foobar-HOWTO-3.html, remove foobar-HOWTO-* from the original directory, and then edit foobar-HOWTO.html in the original source directory so that it redirects to foobar-HOWTO/foobar-HOWTO.html
[04:20] <Riddell> ryanakca: what does this patch apply against?
[04:24] <ryanakca> on the contents of Linux-html-HOWTOs-20061202.tar.bz2
[04:25] <ryanakca> what happens is doc-linux-html is basicly the contents of Linux-html-HOWTOs-20061202.tar.bz2 (in the source package doc-linux)  extracted to /usr/share/doc/HOWTO...
[04:26] <ryanakca> in the end, what's happening is that I'm going to have a new Linux-html-HOWTOs-20061202.tar.bz2 ... and nixternal also suggested that I add a patch so that it's visible in khelpcenter and from the menu...
[04:26] <ryanakca> hope I'm explaining myself properly...
[04:27] <ryanakca> s/add a patch/write a patch for a .desktop
[04:30] <ryanakca> what I did was extract Linux-html-HOWTOs-20061202.tar.bz2 to /tmp/new  and /tmp/old... I made my changes, I'm a third done.. then a diff -Nurp old new > mypatchname.patch
[04:34] <Riddell> ryanakca: where does Linux-html-HOWTOs-20061202.tar.bz2 come from?  is it just a tar from upstream?
[04:34] <ryanakca> it comes from debian...
[04:35] <ryanakca> apt-get source doc-linux
[04:35] <ryanakca> ubuntu auto-syncs it from debian
[04:36] <Riddell> ryanakca: but do they get it from upstream or do they just create it from a bunch of docs they download from upstream?
[04:37] <Riddell> if it's from upstream then there may be a good reason for the directory layout?
[04:38] <Riddell> or there may not of course
[04:39] <Riddell> but this patch isn't maintainable in any way, it needs to be done with rules in debian/rules
[04:39] <Riddell> so just have the mkdir and mv commends in debian/rules
[04:43] <ryanakca> they create it
[04:43] <ryanakca> no?
[04:43] <ryanakca> hmm...
[04:44] <ryanakca> kk
[04:51] <ryanakca> Riddell: and for the HTML redirect... make that into a patch?
[04:52] <Riddell> ryanakca: where they is Debian?
[04:52] <ryanakca> erm...
[04:52] <ryanakca> where they is Debian?
[04:52] <Riddell> 15:43 < ryanakca> they create it
[04:53] <ryanakca> Yes
[04:53] <ryanakca> from what I see
[04:53] <ryanakca> (the redirect page ends up looking like <html><head><title>foo bar howto, version 1</title><meta... redirection...></head></html> )
[04:58] <Riddell> an echo statement in debian/rules might be the best way
[04:58] <Riddell> that way you just have a list of stuff that needs moved
[04:59] <Riddell> for asdf in foo bar baz; do mv ${asdf} HOWTO/${asdf}; echo "meta redirect..." > HOWTO-foo; done
[05:02] <ryanakca> erm...  soo... foo baz baz would be say, subject-HOWTO*
[05:04] <Riddell> yes
[05:05] <Riddell> of course you need to do funky things like double escape the dollars when it's in a makefile
[05:06] <ryanakca> or wait... I don't think that would work...
[05:06] <ryanakca> because of the numbering... each howto has it's own directory
[05:07] <ryanakca> so, all the files of 4mb-Laptop HOWTO go into 4mb-Laptop, all files of SSH-HOWTO go into SSH-HOWTO...
[05:07] <ryanakca> not into a common directory...
[05:07] <ryanakca> and you'd have SSH-HOWTO-1.html, SSH-HOWTO-2.html, SSH-HOWTO.html
[05:09] <ryanakca> SSH-HOWTO* goes into SSH-HOWTO... and then SSH-HOWTO.html redirects to SSH-HOWTO/SSH-HOWTO.html...
[05:09] <ryanakca> would that work?
[05:09] <ryanakca> because all the multipage HOWTO directories are all mixed together in a common directory...
[05:11] <Riddell> for asdf in SSH-HOWTO; do mkdir ${asdf}; mv ${asdf}*.html ${asdf}/; done
[05:12] <ryanakca> s/are all mixed/are already mixed
[05:12] <Riddell> don't do a for loop if that makes it more complex, just list all the mv and mkdir commands, it's still more maintainable than a mega patch or remaking the .bz2 every time
[05:12] <ryanakca> yeah
[05:12] <ryanakca> I just thought if debian had a .bz2 organised, they'd be able to maintain and keep on going organised...
[05:12] <ryanakca> kk
[05:13] <ryanakca> I'll try with the loop
[05:14] <ryanakca> and then just have an entry for each and every HOWTO in rules, and substitute SSH-HOWTO for the name of the HOWTO... kk, thanks
[05:16] <Riddell> certainly tell debian about the changes, once they're final
[05:18] <bddebian> Heya
[05:18] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[05:18] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[05:18] <ryanakca> for asdf in SSH-HOWTO; do mkdir ${asdf}; mv ${asdf}*.html ${asdf}/; echo "<!DOCTYPE bleep>\n<HTML><HEAD>META HTTP-EQUIV=\"Refresh\" ... url=${asdf}/${asdf}.html"></HEAD></HTML>" > ${asdf}.html; done
[05:18] <ryanakca> hey bddebian
[05:19] <bddebian> Hi ryanakca
[05:19] <ryanakca> bddebian: I have another kssh like project on my hands :)
[05:19] <bddebian> heh
[05:20] <ryanakca> oops, echo "<!DOCTYPE bleep>\n<HTML>\n<HEAD>\n<META HTTP-EQUIV=\"Refresh\" ... url=${asdf}/${asdf}.html">\n</HEAD>\n</HTML>" > ${asdf}.html;
[05:20] <nixternal> so what is the new time for the meeting? has it been changed already on the fridge or should i go ahead and do it?
[05:20] <Riddell> nixternal: go ahead
[05:20] <ryanakca> nixternal: /topic
[05:20] <nixternal> thanks
[05:21] <nixternal> hahaha
[05:21] <nixternal> i read that as august 1st
[05:21] <nixternal> lol
[05:21] <ryanakca> lol
[05:22] <ryanakca> Riddell: would that work?
[05:22] <nixternal> ok fixed
[05:23] <Riddell> ryanakca: dunno, give it a shot and find out :)
[05:23] <Riddell> you missed a \ at .html"
[05:24] <ryanakca> I need url=${asdf}/${asdf}\.html ? kk
[05:24] <ryanakca> nixternal: btw, does gpg-agent + debuild -S -sa work for you?
[05:41] <nixternal> ryanakca: yes
[05:41] <ryanakca> hmm... odd
[05:42] <nixternal> ryanakca: if it doesn't work for you, i think you can do -k<keyid>
[05:42] <ryanakca> it crashes for me.. doesn't ask for passphrase even
[05:42] <nixternal> or is that dpkg-buildpackage im thinking of
[05:42] <nixternal> yes you can use the -k
[05:43] <nixternal> you could also use the DEBUILD_DPKG_BUILDPACKAGE_OPTS configuration file option as described above to avoid having to type the -k option each time you do a sponsored upload.
[05:43] <nixternal> that is from the man page
[05:43] <ryanakca> hmm... works, thanks :D
[05:44] <nixternal> i used to have that problem
[05:44] <nixternal> also ryanakca if you install pinentry-qt when you do that, it should pop up the gui password box instead
[05:45] <nixternal> but i have noticed in the past, if you leave gpg alone, ootb it works perfect, except for some instances of kmail
[05:45] <raphink> anyone knows sbuild well?
[05:47] <fdoving> !anyone
[05:47] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[05:47] <fdoving> :)
[05:48] <toma> lol
[05:49] <nixternal> haha
[05:49] <fdoving> raphink: what is your problem with sbuild, i setup a buildd once, not that i remeber anything of that, but one could be lucky.
[05:49] <raphink> I'm setting a buildd too
[05:49] <raphink> the problem is with chroots
[05:50] <raphink> sbuild uses chroot-unstable well
[05:50] <raphink> but not chroot-stable, chroot-testing or any other
[05:50] <fdoving> did you follow one of the setup-guides around?
[05:50] <fdoving> i belive there was one at db.debian.org somewhere..
[05:51] <raphink> I checked quite a lot
[05:51] <raphink> I've been trying to set this build farm for about 1 month
[05:51] <raphink> I'm ending up having to put chroots inside chroots
[05:51] <raphink> and still blocked with a few sbuild stuff
[05:52] <raphink> any idea fdoving?
[05:53] <fdoving> hard to say, the only thing i know is that it doesn't work, i have no idea what you've done and so on.
[05:53] <raphink> :(
[05:53] <fdoving> http://kmuto.jp/open.cgi?buildd
[05:53] <fdoving> one guide..
[05:53] <raphink> well for some reason, it seems to be linked to the distribution name
[05:53] <raphink> if I rename the chroot to chroot-unstable instead of chroot-stable and call sbuild with --dist=unstable instead of --dist=stable, it works
[05:53] <raphink> it has to do with the name of the distribution
[06:04] <fdoving> raphink: i have no idea. i used http://www.debian.org/devel/buildd/setting-up when setting up mine.
[06:06] <raphink> hmmm ok
[06:06] <raphink> the thing is that you can find several recipes on how to set a buildd
[06:06] <raphink> different ways of doing it
[06:06] <raphink> but nowhere does it explain how it works
[06:06] <raphink> there are lots of manuals missing
[06:06] <raphink> so if you're not initiated, it's a bit of a mess
[06:15] <fdoving> there is a mailinglist too..
[06:16] <raphink> where?
[06:18] <fdoving> http://mailman.nocrew.org/pipermail/buildd-disc/
[06:18] <fdoving> looks like it's just spam though.
[06:18] <raphink> thanks
[06:18] <raphink> lol
[06:18] <raphink> indeed
[06:19] <raphink> ok so I'm stuck with that thing that doesn't work :(
[06:20] <Riddell> Lure: digikamimageplugins got in!
[06:20] <raphink> after more than 2 weeks trying to make it work :(
[06:21] <Lure> Riddell: great - so what has kept it back?
[06:21] <Riddell> Lure: soyuz broke http://librarian.launchpad.net/5548495/A5fthh1B20Azq01vNRec2PkDRqa.txt
[06:21] <Riddell> but colin was a hero and fixed it
[06:22] <Lure> Riddell: colin rocks!
[07:01] <Jucato> hi jpatrick! happy new year!
[07:02] <jpatrick> Jucato: happy new year and everything else Jucato!
[07:02] <Jucato> hehe :)
[07:02] <jpatrick> still alive
[07:02] <gnomefreak> before a package is oked to go into devel do the devs have to upload a .deb or just debdiff?
[07:03] <jpatrick> gnomefreak: they upload the source package
[07:04] <gnomefreak> hmmm :(
[07:05] <Jucato> nixternal: are you the man for Kubuntu docs?
[07:05] <sebas> Riddell: I think LABEL and UUID support in mountconfig is complete now.
[07:05] <nixternal> Jucato: i guess
[07:05] <sebas> I.e. it can detect a LABEL, UUIDs and can set them up properly in fstab.
[07:06] <sebas> LABEL and UUID -- when not known already -- are being read from HAL.
[07:06] <sebas> Works for me on Edgy, some testing would be nice
[07:06] <sebas> I'm off now, dinner date with Kim
[07:06] <sebas> Cheerios
[07:06] <nixternal> cheerios for dinner ;p
[07:06] <sebas> No, churrasco, supposedly :P
[07:07] <sebas> gotta run
[07:07] <nixternal> oooh
[07:07] <nixternal> have fun
[07:15] <nixternal> Jucato: whats up with the kubuntu docs stuff?
[07:15] <Jucato> oh sorry... getting into a different discussion ehehe
[07:15] <nixternal> hehe
[07:16] <Jucato> anyway, nixternal, where would be the best place to put up a How to theme Kubuntu guide?
[07:16] <nixternal> the wiki
[07:16] <nixternal> help.ubuntu.com/community
[07:17] <Jucato> ok, not the wiki.ubuntu.com, right?
[07:17] <Jucato> me is still confused about the 2
[07:17] <nixternal> correct
[07:17] <nixternal> wiki.ubuntu.com is supposedly for development use, and the h.u.c/community is for the documentation wiki for the community
[07:17] <nixternal> we have put in a spec to change the domains once again to clarify everything
[07:18] <Jucato> ah... maybe one day the distinction will be clearer..
[07:18] <Jucato> some stuff are in the w.u.c that should be in h.u.c...
[07:18] <nixternal> help.ubuntu.com/community becoming just help.ubuntu.com and wiki.ubuntu.com becoming something like dev.ubuntu.com
[07:18] <nixternal> Jucato: yes, and they will eventually get moved over
[07:19] <Jucato> hm... any process I should follow? guidelines?rules? should I go to #ubuntu-docs and ask these questions?
[07:20] <nixternal> there is a wiki style guide out there somewhere
[07:20] <nixternal> as long as the page is clear and concise, leave out the word newbie, which a lot of people have trouble doing so
[07:20] <nixternal> try not to us first person
[07:21] <nixternal> like the Nvidia docs on teh wiki, they are the worst docs I have seen to date
[07:21] <Jucato> ixternal: here's the guide btw http://jucato.org/kde/kubuntuthemes.html (and I used the 2nd person)
[07:24] <ryanakca> nixternal: if wiki.u.c is for devel use, why not rename it to   dev.ubuntu.com ?
[07:24] <nixternal> ryanakca: that is the plan :)
[07:24] <ryanakca> ah
[07:25] <Jucato> it started out as that, iirc
[07:25] <nixternal> Jucato: i really like that kubuntu button on that page
[07:25] <Jucato> heh :)
[07:26] <Jucato> thanks
[07:26] <fdoving> l
[07:26] <fdoving> ops.. wrong keyboard :)
[07:28] <nixternal> heh
[07:31] <Jucato> hm.. I guess I have to take this up tomorrow again... need to go to sleep
[07:33] <nixternal> Riddell: http://contest.qtcentre.org/   <-- possibly a good blog item?
[07:34] <Jucato> g'night guys! :)
[07:34] <fdoving> nite jucato.
[07:35] <Jucato> nite fdoving, nixternal, ryanakca, jpatrick, Riddell
[07:35] <Jucato> heh
[07:35] <nixternal> Jucato: before you go
[07:35] <jpatrick> nite
[07:35] <Jucato> nixternal: yep?
[07:35] <nixternal> if possible, your writeup on the customising the desktop, might be nice to do something in the system documentation with that
[07:36] <nixternal> i will look over it more, and see what we have currently, and then get back with you on that
[07:36] <Jucato> oh ok :)
[07:36] <nixternal> i would like to have that info accessible to people w/o an internet connection as well
[07:36] <nixternal> i.e., KHelpCenter or Konqueror
[07:36] <nixternal> ok, now you can goto bed :)
[07:36] <Jucato> btw, that guide is based on the same guide I made for KDE, which is/will be in KDE 3.5.6 KDE User's Guide
[07:37] <nixternal> sweet
[07:37] <nixternal> then it may already get in there then :)
[07:37] <Jucato> I had to redo it for System Settings references
[07:37] <nixternal> ooh, and im waiting for my svn access as well. i see some trouble coming for kde docs :)
[07:37] <Jucato> lol :)
[07:37] <Jucato> good luck to both of us :)
[07:38] <nixternal> hehe, ditto
[07:38] <Jucato> only that doc made it to 3.5.6
[07:38] <Jucato> ok, really heading for bed now :)
[07:39] <nixternal> g'nite
[07:41] <Riddell> nixternal: yes, I'll publish a dot story at some point
[07:42] <nixternal> i think there is a dot story already, just not published
[07:42] <nixternal> i forgot you were a dot editor as well
[09:46] <Lure> Riddell: last kdebase patch does not apply - http://librarian.launchpad.net/5601419/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-sparc.kdebase_4%3A3.5.5a.dfsg.1-1ubuntu14_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[09:52] <Riddell> oh fooey
[09:52] <Riddell> well it applied when I wrote it
[09:52] <Riddell> probably I forgot to unapply it
[11:02] <allee> hi. digikamimageplugins fails on ia64 and sparc Anyone knows what this source dependency conflict is about (ia64)? http://librarian.launchpad.net/5604396/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-sparc.digikamimageplugins_0.9.0-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[11:08] <Riddell> has it failed elsewhere?
[11:09] <Lure> Riddell: no, as I just installed it on i386 ;-)
[11:11] <Riddell> then just let the ports buildd admins sort it out
[11:14] <mhb> I've been resizing&symlinking some Human icons so that they can be used in KDE more effectively (just for myself). What do you think - should I try to get those changes in the human-icon-theme package or should we leave Human for GNOME only ?
[11:16] <Riddell> sure, talk to dholbach about it when he's back from holiday
[11:20] <mhb> and another thing - there's a /usr/share/wallpapers dir with wallpapers for KDE and there's a /usr/share/backgrounds dir with wallpapers for GNOME. Can we (somehow) make that one dir?
[11:20] <Riddell> I've tried
[11:21] <Riddell> they weren't very interested
[11:21] <mhb> Riddell: who?
[11:23] <Riddell> the gnome dudes
[11:24] <Riddell> upstream
[11:24] <Riddell> hello shnee
[11:24] <Riddell> of course for KDE 4 I could just change KDE to use backgrounds/
[11:26] <mhb> Riddell: hmm, I wonder why ... I don't see any disadvantages of using one directory
[11:27] <Riddell> well I was also trying to standardise the meta data, which is less important


[00:02] <n-iCe> Ok, Im here
[00:02] <n-iCe> wxl: lubuntu live
[00:02] <wxl> :)
[00:03] <n-iCe> ;lets start the installation
[00:03] <n-iCe> all in ssd
[00:03] <n-iCe> are you sure, right
[00:03] <wxl> absolutely
[00:03] <wxl> i work in a company that drives mostly ssds
[00:04] <wxl> all running some ubuntu flavor or another
[00:08] <n-iCe> https://s11.postimg.org/mgikqnolf/2016_10_06_000722_1366x768_scrot.png
[00:08] <n-iCe> does it look ok to you_
[00:08] <wxl> nothing amiss as far as i can see
[00:09] <n-iCe> whats amiss
[00:09] <wxl> wrong
[00:09] <n-iCe> ok!
[00:09] <n-iCe> awesome, let-s do it
[00:10] <n-iCe> warning baout swap
[00:10] <n-iCe> about swap, wxl would you create swap?
[00:10] <wxl> nope
[00:10] <n-iCe> with 12GB ram?
[00:10] <n-iCe> o
[00:10] <n-iCe> ok
[00:11] <n-iCe> installing!!
[00:11] <n-iCe> thanks wxl
[00:11] <n-iCe> you always so helpful
[00:11] <wxl> np
[00:11] <n-iCe> Sorry abou all the noob questions, but this is a new laptop, and I have never used a ssd
[00:11] <n-iCe> So I want all the best
[00:11] <wxl> all good
[00:12] <wxl> follow those links i gave before as they have some good suggestions on stuff you can do after the fact
[00:12] <n-iCe> you think lubuntu will use, the full hardware power?
[00:12] <wxl> what do you mean?
[00:12] <n-iCe> I mean, will lubuntu take advantage of the full laptop hardware?
[00:13] <wxl> i'm sure it will
[00:13] <n-iCe> since lubuntu is usually for old hardware or low resources
[00:13] <n-iCe> awesome!
[00:13] <n-iCe> omg
[00:13] <n-iCe> the installation finished
[00:13] <wxl> lubuntu is also really nice on new machines :)
[00:13] <n-iCe> what the fuck
[00:13] <n-iCe> WTF
[00:13] <wxl> !language | n-iCe
[00:13]  * n-iCe laughs
[00:13] <n-iCe> How could I possible live without a ssd?
[00:13] <n-iCe> dammit
[00:14] <n-iCe> ok, rebooting in my new OS
[00:14] <wxl> calm the language down buddy :)
[00:22] <n-iCe> God bless sdd's
[03:51] <lxle_tux> hi - does anyone know how to change the default terminal from uxterm to xterm?
[03:57] <n-iCe> hi lxle_tux
[03:57] <n-iCe> first install xterm
[03:57] <n-iCe> then, menu - preferences - default applications, set it to xterm
[03:57] <lxle_tux> n-iCe: already installed
[04:00] <lxle_tux> n-iCe: is there a trick to making the setting take effect? I changed the default, but the panel launcher is still launching uxterm
[04:03] <lxle_tux> i'd rather not logout and back in...
[04:07] <n-iCe> log out
[04:13] <lxle_tux> n-iCe: didn't work... thanks for trying, i'll have to dig into why later
[04:14] <lxle_tux> n-iCe: i did check the setting again after logging back in to make sure it was still set, and it is
[04:22] <lxle_tux> n-iCe: I dug through the configuration files for lxpanel and found that it was calling /usr/share/applications/panterm.desktop which listed uxterm as the terminal
[04:22] <lxle_tux> i changed that to xterm and logout/login and now it works
[04:22] <n-iCe> awesome
[04:22] <lxle_tux> thanks for the help
[14:34] <ChrisWere> Hey guys. I'm on 16.04 and I've having trouble getting the wecam working. It works on guvcview, but not on firefox or chromium. Can anyone help?
[14:38] <ChrisWere> It's really hard to sell Linux when stuff like this is a pain to set up.
[16:50] <n-iCe> wxl: I have a issue network manager is not showing the wireless ap's
[16:50] <n-iCe> any idea?
[16:50] <wxl> n-iCe: what wireless card? use `lspci -nnk` and it will tell you the pci id as well as the driver (kernel module)
[16:51] <n-iCe> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23285351/
[16:56] <wxl> ooh is that integrated wifi? wow
[16:57] <n-iCe> what, is it bad?
[16:57] <n-iCe> what's the problem, tell meee
[16:58] <wxl> i've never encountered this device
[16:58] <wxl> it seems iwlwifi does support it
[16:58] <wxl> i just can't find much info about it
[16:59] <n-iCe> is it true that lubuntu uses a debian kernel?
[16:59] <wxl> well *ubuntu basically takes everything downstream from debian
[16:59] <wxl> the lubuntu kernel is the ubuntu kernel
[16:59] <wxl> which is not necessarily exactly the same as the debian one, but it most likely is
[16:59] <wxl> !info linux-generic
[17:00] <n-iCe> I see
[17:00] <wxl> the version number there is not appended with anything so it's unmodified from upstream
[17:00] <n-iCe> so it will not work in ubuntu
[17:00] <wxl> i didn't say that. it should work fine
[17:00] <wxl> as i said it seems that driver is the right driver
[17:01] <n-iCe> so, should I go for Ubuntu?
[17:01] <n-iCe> problem is, that is now showing the networks, wifi works.
[17:01] <wxl> i would ask in #ubuntu and see if they can offer any avice
[17:02] <n-iCe> thanks
[17:03] <wxl> for your edification, n-iCe here's an example of a package that has been patched twice by debian, thus the -2 at the end of the version number:
[17:03] <wxl> !info lxqt-common
[17:04] <wxl> whereas this one has been patched once by debian and once by ubuntu this the -1ubuntu1 at the end of the version number:
[17:04] <wxl> !info lxde-common
[17:05] <wxl> to put the nail in the coffin, here's a package patched oncce by debian and twice by ubuntu so we have -1ubuntu2 at the end:
[17:05] <wxl> !info libfm4
[17:05] <wxl> argh i meant
[17:05] <wxl> !info libfm4 yakkety
[17:46] <james1138> Hello to the group! Software question. Anyone work with (or knows someone who works with) Pinta Image editor?
[21:23] <Capum321> hello
[21:23] <Capum321> how to configure samba file share to a ntfs partition?


[20:15] <tme5> the community wiki front page has been deleted, or is missing somehow. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommunityHelpWiki
[20:16] <tme5> kind of urgent
[20:16] <pleia2> sigh
[20:16] <pleia2> I'll add it to the list for the Canonical sysadmins to look into
[20:18] <tme5> thank you
[20:19] <pleia2> the wiki has been spammed a lot lately, so there's some cleanup that's been happening, it likely got caught up in accidental cleanup
[20:20] <tme5> ah ok


[21:53] <s-fox> Hello svij :)
[21:53] <svij> hi s-fox :)
[21:54]  * toddy waves svij
[21:55] <svij> toddy: :D
[21:56] <s-fox> svij: Just waiting for more of the board to make their presence known :)
[21:57] <svij> ok
[22:07] <chilicuil> #startmeeting Ubuntu-Membership-Board January 2th, 2014 at 22:00:00 UTC meeting
[22:07] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Jan  2 22:07:41 2014 UTC.  The chair is chilicuil. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[22:07] <chilicuil> #meetingtopic svij approval
[22:08] <chilicuil> Hi Sujeevan Vijayakumaran, welcome to the Ubuntu Membership meeting, please introduce yourself
[22:09] <s-fox> ^ svij :)
[22:10] <svij> Hi, my name is Sujeevan Vijayakumaran, raised up and living in Germany and I'm also a student and a software developer. I'm the current project-lead of the official german support site ubuntuusers.de (with Fuchs ;) ) and I'm also co-organizing this and last years ubucon. :)
[22:12] <svij> (hope this is enough ;))
[22:12] <chilicuil> svij: the UMB members may take a time to reply, we're reading your application, you've a nice couple of testimonials =)
[22:12] <svij> chilicuil: thanks!
[22:12] <toddy> :)
[22:12] <chilicuil> #voters IdleOne s-fox cjohnston cyphermox chilicuil
[22:12] <meetingology> Current voters: IdleOne chilicuil cjohnston cyphermox s-fox
[22:12] <chilicuil> alright, does anyone has any question?
[22:14] <IdleOne> think we are ready to vote, unless there is anyone here who would like to cheer for svij
[22:14] <IdleOne> now is the time
[22:14] <Fuchs> I of course cheer
[22:14] <Fuchs> but I guess that would be clear, given my testimonial :)
[22:14] <chilicuil> #vote svij approval
[22:14] <meetingology> Please vote on: svij approval
[22:14] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[22:15] <s-fox> +1
[22:15] <IdleOne> +1
[22:15] <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox
[22:15] <meetingology> +1 received from IdleOne
[22:15] <cyphermox> +1
[22:15] <meetingology> +1 received from cyphermox
[22:15] <s-fox> Sorry, was looking at the website. I was impressed :)
[22:15] <chilicuil> +1
[22:15] <meetingology> +1 received from chilicuil
[22:15] <chilicuil> #endvote
[22:15] <meetingology> Voting ended on: svij approval
[22:15] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[22:15] <meetingology> Motion carried
[22:15] <IdleOne> Congrats svij and welcome
[22:16] <svij> yay, thanks :)
[22:16] <s-fox> Congratulations :)
[22:16] <chilicuil> svij: I would like to see more of the UWN de, awesome work =)
[22:16] <toddy> Congrats svij :)
[22:17] <chilicuil> so, I think, we're done, happy new year to everyone =D
[22:17] <svij> thanks IdleOne, chilicuil, s-fox and toddy
[22:17] <chilicuil> #endmeeting
[22:17] <Fuchs> Congratulations indeed, and a nice day to you all :)
[22:17] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Jan  2 22:17:28 2014 UTC.
[22:17] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-01-02-22.07.moin.txt
[22:17] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-01-02-22.07.html
[22:17] <IdleOne> Thank you.
[22:17] <s-fox> Thank you for chairing chilicuil :)
[22:18] <chilicuil> np s-fox ;)