[03:25] <jose> hey jcastro, did you have that call with elmo?
[08:22] <dholbach> good morning
[09:11] <dholbach> balloons, davidcalle, dpm, mhall119: who of us will do the Q&A today?
[09:11] <dholbach> popey won't be around today
[09:12] <davidcalle> dholbach: can do
[09:13] <dpm> I can as well
[09:17] <dholbach> I was in the one last week, but I can do it too
[09:17] <dholbach> just thought it'd be good if we could plan and set up the event a bit earlier than last time :)
[11:51] <dpm> wow, snowing again here
[12:42] <jcastro> jose: not until thursday
[13:28] <dpm> hey jcastro, who can help us figuring out how to bring back ubucon.org online? We're planning UbuCon Europe and we really need it back live. I couldn't even get 'juju status' on the jumping station
[13:29] <dpm> balloons, are hangouts working for you today, and if so, are you up for the Q&A?
[13:29] <dpm> if not, mhall119 or dholbach, would you be up for it even though you were on last week?
[13:29] <balloons> ohh, so long as I'm not the only one hosting, I think it'll be fine
[13:30] <balloons> but I suppose if there are others availible it would be safer heh. Google loves me until it doesn't
[13:30] <dholbach> dpm, sure...
[13:30] <jose> dpm: si necesitas, te puedo dar una mano en un momento
[13:31] <dpm> balloons, I'll be there too today
[13:31] <dpm> jose, sería genial. Tienes credenciales para entrar en la jumpstation?
[13:35] <dpm> balloons, awesome work with the core apps tests doc!
[13:36] <balloons> yea, I thought it would be good to have a mapping for every test we touch, in case anyone wants that much detail :-)
[13:36] <dpm> cool
[13:37] <dpm> I think it makes it much easier to see the overall picture of the QA status of core apps
[13:37] <jose> dpm: no las tengo, pero podemos hacer un troubleshooting básico hasta que jorge aparezca
[13:37] <dpm> balloons, quick question: would it be possible to a) add the counts for the unit, integration and manual tests, in the same way you did for the acceptance tests? and b) have the conditional formatting be green if > 0?
[13:39] <dpm> jose, ok, podemos hacer las dos cosas, te añado las credenciales
[13:41] <balloons> dpm, I considered adding counts for those. Sure, let me tewak
[13:41] <dpm> balloons, cool. Yeah, I'm thinking as we're going through this, it might be worth having some metrics
[13:42] <dpm> and then the formatting is consistent across all test columns
[13:48] <jcastro> dpm: marco is at MWC so mostly unavailable
[13:48] <jcastro> dpm: is it running in canonicstack?
[13:48] <jcastro> or in aws?
[13:49] <dpm> jcastro, aws
[13:50] <jcastro> ok, I'll text him to let him know asap
[13:50] <jcastro> has anyone been able to get a hold of him?
[13:50] <dpm> we've got a shared jumpstation from where it's all managed
[13:50] <jcastro> ack
[13:50] <dpm> I e-mailed yesterday, but haven't heard back. I assumed he was traveling or at MWC
[13:53] <dholbach> balloons, so you and myself for the Q&A later on?
[13:55] <balloons> Indeed
[13:58] <jose> dpm: so, apparently jujud is down, should be as simple as starting it again, but what worries me is the fact that the service is not up... should be even if jujud is down
[13:58] <dpm> jcastro, and none of us can bring it up without the sudo password :/
[13:59] <jose> the other option would be launching a new instance and using that in the meanwhile
[14:02] <jcastro> hey so I telegrammed him, dpm, do you know anyone you can ping at MWC to get ahold of marco?
[14:02] <jcastro> aka. let's ping multiple people
[14:02] <jose> I can try and ping Amber
[14:02] <dpm> willcooke or olli. Let me see who else
[14:03] <jcastro> Left a voicemail too
[14:06] <balloons> dholbach, so 1500 or 1600 for the q and a?
[14:06]  * balloons is curious why we have 2 entries again in calendar ;-(
[14:07] <jose> blame timezones, it's scheduled to start in 53 mins
[14:07] <dholbach> no, 1h53m
[14:07] <jose> ?
[14:07] <dholbach> 16 UTC
[14:07] <jose> when did we move it?
[14:07] <balloons> ahh, indeed<EMAIL_ADDRESS>created the one at 1500
[14:08] <balloons> blah, sorry
[14:08] <jose> last time you blamed me because it was at 16 and told me to move it to 15, now we back at 16?
[14:08] <balloons> we've been as early as 1400 and as late as 1600
[14:08] <balloons> depending on the wind, weather, and timezones
[14:09] <jose> >.>
[14:10] <jose> ok, set a time for the next months and let me know so I can set all of the events to that time
[14:16] <jcastro> jose: he's stuck at the booth, is spinning up a new instance an option?
[14:18] <dholbach> jose, it's because of DST I think
[14:24] <jose> jcastro: I can spin up a new instance and we can change DNSs
[14:24] <jcastro> that seems like a safe bet for now
[14:24] <jose> dholbach: yup, but we need to set a UTC time and stick to it
[14:25] <jose> dpm: ok, if you give me around an hour I can spin up a new instance and then we can copy stuff over
[14:26] <dholbach> jose, no, because that'd mean that the Europeans work an hour later
[14:26] <dholbach> (half of the year)
[14:27] <jose> oh, the q&a is your last hour of the day
[14:27] <dholbach> yep
[14:27] <jose> ok, but let me know when those time changes please, that we tweets go off alright and people don't get confused with the cal :)
[14:27] <jose> when those time changes happen*
[14:41] <dholbach> ok :)
[14:56] <dpm> jose, sorry, just finished our call with Daniel. Let me get hold of willcooke to see if he can physically grab Marco. If it's just as simple as bringing juju back up, that'd save you quite a lot of work
[14:56] <dholbach> balloons, so you and myself for the Q&A later on?
[14:56] <dholbach> or did you set up the event already?
[14:58] <balloons> I did not setup the event dholbach, no
[14:58] <dholbach> ok... I'll do it then
[14:58] <balloons> dholbach, thanks. And yes, we'll do it, and we have an hour before we're live
[15:20] <dpm> jose, jcastro, I guess another instance will mean a new IP address? I'm not sure what would be quicker, we'd need to get hold of Richard Gaskin to point the domain to the new IP, and I'm not sure if he's around today
[15:27] <dpm> and then the IP change to propagate?
[15:57] <jose> dpm: yes, unfortunately it's our best bet right now because Marco is stuck at the booth
[15:57] <jose> if you want me to spin up that instance just lmk
[16:04] <dpm> jose, mhall119, can I leave it in your hands to decide on the best course of action to get ubucon.org back online? You guys are far more experts than I when it comes to deployments, and I trust you to take the best decision
[16:05] <jose> I can definitely work on it. if mhall119 or you want to have a call to discuss it/deploy it, I'm free all day long
[16:05] <jose> I know your EOD is approaching, but I'll be around all US day long in case Mike is available later
[16:12] <mhall119> jose: I'm available any time, what's our current status with the site?
[16:13] <jose> mhall119: site is down, jujud in the instance is down and I can't reboot it - don't have the sudo password to reboot it, only Marco has it and we're blocked until he's free or out of MWC
[16:14] <mhall119> jcastro: do you happen to know what password marcoceppi used for the ubucon.org site?
[16:15]  * dpm hugs jose
[16:15]  * jose hugs dpm back
[16:16] <czajkowski> mhall119: upwithjujudownwithwiki
[16:17] <mhall119> lol
[16:18]  * mhall119 tries it anyway
[16:18] <mhall119> nope
[16:29] <mhall119> dpm: tracks are setup in summit
[16:29] <dpm> \o/
[17:01] <dholbach> all right my friends - I call it a day - see you tomorrow!
[17:01] <dpm> thanks dholbach for running the Q&A!
[17:01] <dpm> it was a fun one today, have a nice rest of the day!
[17:02] <dholbach> yeah, you too
[17:08] <jose> mhall119: have time for a call now?
[17:10] <dpm> mhall119, ah, I forgot to ask you, how did the Fairphone meeting with mariogrip go yesterday?
[17:53] <mhall119> dpm: no breakthroughs on the Mir side, but he suspects it's related to the other kernel problems, same with wifi. He's documenting those so we can take them to the FP contacts you sent
[17:53] <mhall119> jose: sorry, was eating lunch, I'm available now
[17:56] <jose> mhall119: sounds good, will send you a link in a bit?
[17:59] <mhall119> jose: hang on, I have to load Firefox
[17:59] <jose> lol np
[18:15] <dpm> thanks for the update mhall119
[18:33] <marcoceppi> jose: mhall119 what is the jumpstations
[18:35] <marcoceppi> mhall119 jose I don't have much time before I have to pack up
[18:36] <marcoceppi> mhall119 jose on the jumpstation, investigating
[18:39] <mhall119> marcoceppi: jose wanted to try and restart some stuff, or su to eco user, or something
[18:40] <marcoceppi> mhall119: why? juju is /not/ running on this machine it's a client
[18:40] <marcoceppi> it looks like amazon killed those instances
[18:40] <mhall119> marcoceppi: can you first see if the ubucon.org node still exist?
[18:40] <mhall119> :(
[18:40] <mhall119> do we have backups?
[18:40] <marcoceppi> i don't see them in the ec2 dashboard
[18:40] <mhall119> or block storage devices still available?
[18:40] <marcoceppi> let me check if put the backup script in plcae
[18:41] <marcoceppi> okay, while I try to do disaster recovery, I'm going to redeploy the charms
[18:42] <mhall119> marcoceppi: we set some EC2_ environment variables
[18:43] <mhall119> you'll probably want to unset those
[18:43] <mhall119> though that shouldn't cause the error there...
[18:47] <marcoceppi> :(
[18:47] <marcoceppi> wtf aws
[18:47] <marcoceppi> they took out like half of the deployments
[18:51]  * mhall119 hopes marcoceppi isn't live-demoing anything this week
[18:53] <marcoceppi> no, not my demos
[18:53] <marcoceppi> but like
[18:53] <mhall119> marcoceppi: did we get backups?
[18:53] <marcoceppi> half ofthe Charm Developer Program accounts
[18:54] <marcoceppi> none, all the disks, instances, gone
[18:54] <marcoceppi> I'm checking the API logs
[18:55] <dpm> oh
[18:55] <mhall119> I think we've officially ruined marcoceppi's evening
[18:55] <dpm> does it mean there is no way to recover the site's content?
[18:55] <marcoceppi> no, you guys didn't do this
[18:56] <marcoceppi> stupid clouds are ephemeral and I didn't put the backup cron in place to sync them off the servers
[18:56] <marcoceppi> I messed up you alls week
[18:56] <marcoceppi> Okay, so I've redeployed, I'm putting the backup cron in place, I'm so sorry
[18:57] <marcoceppi> I'm going to RCA the heck outta this
[18:57] <marcoceppi> I am not happy about 15 aws instances going missing
[18:58] <marcoceppi> traveling brb 1 hr
[18:58] <dpm> marcoceppi, so just to be clear, there is absolutely no way to recover the content?
[18:58] <marcoceppi> dpm: not that I'm aware of at this time
[19:00] <marcoceppi> dpm: wayback machine and google cache migh thelp
[19:00] <dpm> no copies on archive.org either :/
[19:00] <svij> ouch
[19:01] <dpm> does anyone have any other ideas how to get back some of the data at least? This was months of work
[19:02] <marcoceppi> mhall119  dpm: <IP_ADDRESS> so sorry :((((((
[19:03] <svij> dpm: https://web.archive.org/web/20151222184907/http://ubucon.org/en/
[19:03] <svij> seems to work?
[19:04] <svij> hm not all subpages
[19:04] <dpm> svij, ah, nice find!
[19:04] <marcoceppi> some content > no
[19:04]  * marcoceppi cries in corner
[19:05] <dpm> svij, only the front page is online as far as I can tell
[19:05] <svij> hm, only talks available :/
[19:05] <svij> https://web.archive.org/web/20160112104741/http://ubucon.org/en/events/ubucon-summit-us/talks/ this one works aswell
[19:05] <dpm> oh, didn't see talks
[19:05] <marcoceppi> svij dpm please let me know if there's anyhting I can do to help
[19:05]  * dpm starts saving pages
[19:05] <marcoceppi> I have to run to catch a bus
[19:05] <marcoceppi> I will be back online in a bit
[19:06] <svij> ok, thanks so far marcoceppi
[19:06] <mhall119> thanks marcoceppi
[19:06] <dpm> marcoceppi, we'll let you go, thanks. If there is _anything_  you can think of for us to recover at least some of the content, that'd be awesome
[19:08] <marcoceppi> svij dpm I don' thave a solution or RCA atm, you're not the only ones affected, you just the only one I didn't set up the cron for
[19:08] <marcoceppi> that won't happen again
[19:08] <svij> RCA?
[19:08] <svij> dpm: http://www.cachedview.com/index.php?lang=de putting the links over there does load the text-content, thats good!
[19:09] <marcoceppi> root cause analysis - why did this happen and how to not have it happen again
[19:10] <jose> thanks for your help marcoceppi
[19:11] <svij> ah, didn't know that
[19:14] <svij> dpm: is there anything gone which was not publicly on the webpage?
[19:15] <dpm> svij, all info was public, there were no private pages
[19:15] <svij> good
[19:15] <svij> so we can use the data from google cache
[19:17] <mhall119> dpm: svij: jose: google cache has some content as well
[19:17] <svij> mhall119: that's what I just said^^
[19:17] <dpm> svij, I'm saving the pages as soon as I find a cached version - so far I've found part of the front page, ubucon summit page, schedule
[19:17] <svij> https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://ubucon.org/en/events/ubucon-summit-us/travel-and-accommodation/
[19:17] <mhall119> svij: ah, I wasn't familiar with cachedview.com
[19:17] <svij> https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://ubucon.org/en/events/ubucon-summit-us/travel-and-accommodation/
[19:18] <svij> arg
[19:18] <dpm> it will still be quite a lot of work to format the pages, but if we can find as many as possible, then this will reduce it from a disaster to "a lot of work", which I can live with
[19:18] <svij> there is every page accessible
[19:19] <svij> I'll c/p it here and you can save them up:
[19:19] <svij> Sponsors: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://ubucon.org/en/events/ubucon-summit-us/sponsors/
[19:19] <svij> UbuCon LA https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://ubucon.org/en/events/ubucon-latin-america/
[19:20] <svij> or any better ideas to collect the content?
[19:20] <mhall119> wget them and gzip them up?
[19:21] <jose> I can help migrate the site tomorrow or later, but need to do some stuff now
[19:21] <svij> might better option
[19:21] <jose> but please assign me something
[19:21] <mhall119> thank sfor your help earlier jose
[19:21] <jose> and I'll look over it as soon as I have time
[19:21]  * svij should go back to his slides and his exam tomorrow :/
[19:21] <jose> no worries mhall119
[19:21] <jose> svij: go study! real life first!
[19:21] <jose> also, it would be a great time to consider moving the site to IS hosting
[19:22] <svij> jose: I do now! Thanks for your help ;)
[19:22] <dpm> svij, yeah, go back to slides + study, you've helped quite a lot already!
[19:22] <mhall119> jose: mojo :(
[19:22] <jose> mhall119: afaik they only require the service to be charmed, which is already done
[19:22] <dpm> mhall119, or canonistack?
[19:22] <mhall119> jose: they require a mojo spec now too
[19:22] <dpm> jose, we wished
[19:22] <jose> blah
[19:22] <mhall119> dpm: canonistack is less reliable than AWS
[19:23] <jose> what I was about to say
[19:23] <jose> if you want I can start working on that later today
[19:23] <mhall119> it's intentionally that way too, it's not for production hosting
[19:23] <dpm> so if I understand it correctly, the most immediate actions are:
[19:24] <dpm> - redeploy the site
[19:24] <mhall119> already done
[19:24] <dpm> - fetch the content
[19:24] <dpm> - upload the content
[19:25] <mhall119>  - change the DNS to point to <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:25] <jose> as soon as the content is uploaded, I can get ahold of Richard
[19:25] <dpm> - set up backups
[19:25] <svij> "set up backups" should be moved to point 1. ;)
[19:25] <svij> (or task 1)
[19:25] <dpm> lol, I agree
[19:26] <dpm> jose, mhall119, I guess we can already change the DNS even if the content is not there yet?
[19:26] <svij> no web page or broken webpage…
[19:26] <svij> ok, really should close IRC now…
[19:26] <svij> o/
[19:26] <dpm> have a nice evening svij!
[19:27] <svij> "nice evening" … need to study. :P but thanks!
[19:27] <mhall119> jose: may as well start the DNS change now, it'll take time and at least the new IP responds to request
[19:29] <dpm> jose, mhall119, do you know who can set up the backups, is it marcoceppi only?
[19:33] <jose> dpm: he's already set them up afaik
[19:34] <jose> mhall119: ok, as soon as I'm back I'll ping richard, need to run to the store
[19:34] <dpm> marcoceppi, when you're back online, can you confirm they're set up and backed up offsite?
[19:35] <dpm> jose, mhall119, http://pad.ubuntu.com/ubucon-recovery
[19:36] <dpm> also, another option could be to host the site at Digital Ocean. It works well with juju, and actually the first version of the site was hosted there
[19:43] <mhall119> it's already back up on AWS
[19:44] <mhall119> let's focus on gettign the content back there, we can talk about moving it elsewhere once marco is back to normal hours
[19:46] <dpm> mhall119, can you help me populating the cached pages list on the etherpad? I'll start creating the IA on the live site now, but I'll have to go soon and continue uploading tomorrow morning
[20:21] <dpm> ok, I need to run, I'll follow up on e-mail
[20:23] <dpm> cheers


[01:55] <freefall> after doing os upgrade from 16.04-16.10 some of the menu items are missing like software & updates.. is there some pack missing. it error on update for lubuntu-desktop
[03:38] <yes> Hello? is anyone here?
[14:42] <Guest90630> Hi all, quick qn. Installing Lubuntu 16.10 from verified DVD to a laptop which dual boots ok windows on sda1 and 10.04 on sda5. I am installing / to sda8 and /home to sda7.  Install finishes without error but grub v1.98 menu does not get be updated to show 16.10. Have also tried inst grub V2 to sda8 too but got grub error. Boot repair not fixing this. Anyone advise how to update the grub boot menu to enable me to boot 16.10 on sd
[14:45] <Guest90630> This is a Compaq nc4200 laptop with ~2GB RAM BTW. Runs 16.10 as a live DVD without issue.
[14:45] <leszek> Guest90630: you need to boot into the system that this grub is from
[14:45] <leszek> and then run sudo update-grub on that system (if debian based) or sudo grub-mkconfig -O /boot/grub/grub.cfg (if opensuse/fedora/arch)
[14:47] <Guest90630> the 10.04 is Ubuntu so will do the former.  Will this update grub to V2? or just update the grub menu?
[14:48] <leszek> Guest90630: it only updates the menu
[14:53] <Guest90630> Sadly no joy with that.  The update-grub command ran without error but did not find the new install on sda8.
[14:53] <leszek> hmm... too bad. I wonder why though as it normally should detect it. Is it maybe impossible to mount this partition ?
[14:54] <Guest90630> when i rebooted the result was as before, windows, memory test and lots of 2.6 series kernels for 10.04 no 4.x kernel for 16.10
[14:58] <Guest90630> the laptop predates EFI so I previously selected legacy option from Boot-repair. Have also previously seen in the boot-info from boot repair that grub 2 was installed to sda8 but it never booted.
[14:59] <leszek> does not answer my question though
[15:07] <leszek> Guest90630: the question is if the old ubuntu 10.04 system that you have is able to mount sda8. If it isn't that would explain, why it won't be able to add anything to the grub menu
[15:07] <Guest90630> Ok Will test that...
[15:24] <Guest90630> @leszek - Tnx for pointer - found a superblock related error on sda8 so have reformatted and am reinstalling..
[15:33] <etn> Hi, could someone tell me how-to use numlockx on Lubuntu 16.04 plz ? I put "numlock=1" in   /etc/lxdm/default.conf but nothing…
[16:11] <lordjim1946> Error and cannot install Bootloader Then Hangs up on this and Cannot change or exit this
[16:25] <Guest90630> @leszek having installed 16.10 to sda7 this time and rebooted I have error no such partition & grub rescue> prompt
[16:29] <Guest90630> I selected sda as the bootloader location that time. Maybe I should have selected sda5 where grub for 10.04  was?  Previously I have used a boot-repair-dvd here to recover grub menu but wonder if there is a better path forward?
[16:46] <LinuxNovice> hello, when will the new Lubuntu with lxqt be available?
[16:46] <LinuxNovice> is it going to be still suitable for old computers? I mean, is it going to be as lightweight as the existing one?
[17:02] <Afshaal> hopefully not for a while
[17:02] <Afshaal> I'm still quite apprehensive about lxqt
[17:02] <Afshaal> but I'm not a developer :)
[17:03] <Afshaal> https://blog.lxde.org/2016/10/04/benchmark-memory-usage-lxqt-desktop-environment-vs-xfce/
[17:03] <Afshaal> It seems they've made a lot of strides the last year or so getting LXQt's resource usage under control
[17:03] <Afshaal> still not as light as LXDE though
[17:20] <LinuxNovice> ok
[18:08] <Guest90630> Still trying to get lubuntu 16.10 to boot. Win$ is on sda1 lucid is on sda5  and I have just installed to sda7, selecting Sda for the bootloader location. When I rebooted I have error no such partition & grub rescue> prompt...
[18:09] <Guest90630> I have not previously had sucess with boot-repair DVD so I decided to boot the live DVD and chroot into the new partition...
[18:10] <Guest90630> I purged grub 2 and then reinstalled grub 2 (selecting Sda for bootloaded ) and updated-grub this process found all the correct partitions.
[18:12] <Guest90630> On reboot I still have error no such partition & grub rescue> prompt.   This is a non-EFI laptop so I am wondering whether I should have specified Legacy at some point.   Any suggestions what I might have missed?
[18:20] <Guest90630> Does anyone know if 16.10 requires hardware that supports EFI?
[20:24] <hooo> no "open terminal" action.. ugh
[22:50] <meiyu> hola
[22:52] <tsimonq2> meiyu: hola


[00:52] <callmepk> good morning
[05:35] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[05:48] <duflu> Morning seb128
[05:49] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you?
[05:50] <duflu> seb128, light headache but not so bad by my new standards. Still have been able to exercise and do some pilates. How are you?
[06:06] <seb128> I'm alright, wondering why I'm up so early though
[06:07] <seb128> speaking of which need to drop for a bit now
[06:07] <seb128> bbl
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[07:39] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
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[08:08] <oSoMoN> salut jibel
[08:33] <marcustomlinson> morning callmepk seb128 duflu jibel oSoMoN and other desktoppers
[08:33] <duflu> Hi marcustomlinson
[08:34] <seb128> hey again desktoper, feeling better after a small nap, being up at 5am is not for me...
[08:34] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson, how are you?
[08:35] <marcustomlinson> seb128: feeling like I might need a nap too. otherwise, doing ok thanks
[08:36] <jibel> Hi marcustomlinson
[08:36] <jibel> salut seb128
[08:38] <seb128> lut jibel
[08:51] <didrocks> good morning
[08:52] <duflu> Morning didrocks
[08:53] <didrocks> hey duflu
[08:55] <callmepk> hi marcustomlinson seb128 oSoMoN
[08:55] <callmepk> and hi didrocks
[08:56] <didrocks> hey callmepk!
[08:58] <seb128> lut didrocks, hey callmepk
[09:04] <Laney> \o|
[09:07] <didrocks> hey seb128, Laney
[09:07] <seb128> hey Laney!
[09:08] <marcustomlinson> hey Laney
[09:08] <marcustomlinson> and hey didrocks
[09:12] <Laney> happy rainly thursday didrocks seb128 marcustomlinson
[09:15] <duflu> Hi Laney
[09:23] <jibel> Salut Laney
[09:31] <didrocks999> hey hey Laney
[09:32] <Laney> aloha duflu jibel and didrocks999!
[09:35] <Laney> the return of the 999
[10:41] <juliank> My thorough autoremover suggests I can remove ubuntu-mono
[10:41] <juliank> presumably because adwaita-icon-theme   Depends ubuntu-mono | adwaita-icon-theme-full
[10:41] <juliank> but somehow I feel like that's the wrong approach :D
[10:42] <juliank> for some reason I have mutter installed
[10:44] <juliank> (the thorough autoremover is a pseudo-boolean optimizer and it just removes as many automatically installed packages as it can while keeping all manually installed ones intact; without caring for order of dependencies)
[10:46] <Laney> mutter used to be a dependency of gnome-shell, you can indeed remove that
[10:46] <Laney> for the icon theme, if you don't want to use it, go ahead and remove I guess
[10:49] <juliank> I guess I could remove it, I only use vanilla gnome
[10:50] <juliank> mutter was weirdly kept around because
[10:50] <juliank> i A gdm3        Depends  gnome-session | x-session-manager | x-window-manager | x-terminal-emulator
[10:50] <juliank> p   mutter      Provides x-window-manager
[10:50] <juliank> apt autoremove is so limited :D
[10:50] <Laney> apt autoremove --serious
[10:51] <juliank> I was thinking apt autoremove --thorough
[10:51] <juliank> but that word is prone to typos
[10:52] <Laney> yeah
[10:52] <Laney> --max?
[10:52]  * Laney bikesheds
[10:52] <juliank> apt autoremove --deep
[10:53] <juliank> or --in-depth
[10:53] <juliank> --full
[10:53] <juliank> joke version would be --assiduous
[10:54] <juliank> Maybe it will be there in 21.10
[10:54] <Laney> assiduous should be --full --purge
[10:55] <juliank> Thing is, that mode like also removers xserver-xorg-input-all and -input-wacom becauses obviously -input-libev is enough to satisfy all dependencies D:
[10:55] <juliank> um, libinput, not libev
[10:56] <juliank> same for va-driver-all and vdpau-driver-all - the dependencies allow removing everything except one driver
[11:01] <kenvandine> happy snowy day :)
[11:24] <marcustomlinson> hey kenvandine
[11:25] <marcustomlinson> up early to play in the snow I see :)
[11:28] <marcustomlinson> and now I see it's for meetings... boo
[11:32] <Laney> assigning all the work to marcustomlinson MUHAHAHAHA
[12:09] <kenvandine> :-)
[12:09] <marcustomlinson> :,(
[13:06] <didrocks999> does anyone have a simple example of out of source build makefile (without autotools)?
[13:06]  * didrocks999 wonders which env var to use
[13:25] <marcustomlinson> didrocks999: sure, I keep makefiles out of all my source
[13:25] <marcustomlinson> ;)
[13:25] <didrocks999> hehe. I wish, but alongside our Go program, we need to build a C lib (pam lib), I would like to have the strict minimum Makefile instead of bringing along Meson or others…
[13:26] <oSoMoN> a README.md with instructions on how to build using gcc will do :)
[13:26] <ItzSwirlz> Go for Meson would *maybe* be nice?
[13:27] <ItzSwirlz> I think most likely they would use Google's GN system (like Dart projects)
[13:27] <didrocks999> oSoMoN: I will just need then a parser in debian/rules :p
[13:28] <didrocks999> ItzSwirlz: I can survive with bare go tools to build and generates everything I need, it’s just this lib which is annoying
[13:28] <didrocks999> or I can probably do a main.go which calls gcc and install it in DESTDIR…
[13:28] <ItzSwirlz> Of course, it's classic C that is always annoying
[13:29] <ItzSwirlz> well have fun if you can :P (and if you want to be lazy like me you can also build your go files with gccgo which exists for whatever reason lol)
[15:48] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[15:48] <marcustomlinson> hey hellsworth
[15:48] <oSoMoN> hey hellsworth
[15:49] <hellsworth> hey guys
[15:55] <jibel> Good morning hellsworth


[01:30] <veebers> thomi: hey when you have a moment I would like to run something past you
[01:31] <thomi> veebers: shoot
[01:31] <veebers> thomi: recent changes to the application launch code (in AP) has introduced a docs / api difference: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7661258/
[01:32] <veebers> in this instance the argument used to be expected to be named 'launch_dir' and currently states that in the docs, but the actual argument name in the method is 'cwd'
[01:32] <veebers> considering that this code has already been released (although not that long ago) I'm considering just re-naming 'cwd' to be 'launch_dir' so that the docs and the arguments match up with what existed before this change
[01:33] <thomi> are people hitting this as an API incompatibility?
[01:33] <veebers> but that might trip up anyone who has recently read that docstring and is using cwd (as opposed to the developers who used launch_dir before this change)
[01:34] <veebers> thomi: balloons is using launch_dir (as the docs state it's the thing to use) and it throws an exception (as its expecting 'cwd' instead)
[01:34] <thomi> veebers: well, if you want to be super safe, ue both, but give a deprecation warning for the one you want to phase out
[01:35] <thomi> you can then scan the test run logs for the warning and fix up any test suites that use the old one
[01:35] <veebers> hmm, ok, that sounds better than just changing it back and letting people hit the error
[01:35] <veebers> cool, that is the safest option I think. Cheers thomi
[01:36] <thomi> nw
[01:46] <veebers> thomi: I've changed my mind :-) I'll be running all the test suites as part of the autopilot release anyway. I'll remove 'cwd' put 'launch_dir' back in place, and during release testing I can scan the logs for any failing tests due to using 'cwd'
[01:50] <thomi> veebers: that works as well
[01:51] <veebers> coolio cheers. It's also much less typing ;-)
[23:47] <thomi> barry: Are you around?
[23:59] <veebers> thomi: do you have a moment for a quick question?


[00:17] <moz> does no one know anything about this? sorry i've posted this question but im new and totally stuck
[01:23] <moz_> my laptop is making a really loud continious bleep sound, after a couple of minutes of loading, is this over heating? only have heard it since i installed ubuntu server
[01:24] <moz_> earlier today
[01:24] <moz_> and it wont stop till i shut it down
[01:27] <Stargazer> I'm installing Ubuntu server and it's asking what the server will be for. I'm only going to use it to script some programs and compile them, what do i set the server as ?
[01:30] <moz_> i dont have permissions for anything
[01:30] <moz_> i cant even create a new file, says "cannot open swap file for <file> recovery impossible"
[01:30] <hads> Stargazer: Just select nothing
[01:32] <moz_> whats happened to my installation, i dont have permissions for any file
[01:32] <moz_> even with sudo
[02:02] <moz_> ok i think i've managed to fix that
[02:03] <moz_> im in kernel 2.6.27-11-server which i have installed
[02:03] <moz_> which is meant to automatically provide support for wireless cards that use the RTL8781 drivers
[02:04] <moz_> *RTL8187 i mean
[02:05] <moz_> i've added the line 'rtl8187' to /etc/modules, and after restarting, when plugging in my usb wireless stick, i get a short high piitched noise instead of nothing as before, but im still not seeing it, i guess it should appear in 'ifconfig' as wlan0 but it doesnt, any idea why this is?
[02:05] <moz_> the light on the wireless stick is not on
[02:12] <moz_> please can someone assist me on this, really quite stuck, need to get my internet back working on my laptop
[02:15] <moz_> im using the F5D7050 USB dongle i found this blog to help : http://linuxsoftwareblog.com/blog/?p=30
[02:28] <twb> moz_: is this related to ubuntu *servers*?
[02:28] <moz_> twb: yes because i got it working on ubuntu previously
[02:29] <Stargazer> Is there a command available to check on battery level ?
[02:29] <Stargazer> -on +the*
[02:29] <twb> Stargazer: the raw data is in /sys/class/power_supply/
[02:29] <twb> Stargazer: e.g. sh -c 'cd /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0 && echo \ $((100 * `cat charge_now` / `cat charge_full`))%'
[02:30] <Stargazer> You remembered that, no, you _KNEW_ all that ?
[02:31] <twb> Stargazer: all what?
[02:31] <Stargazer> All that command.
[02:32] <Stargazer> There an easier way to check ? like battery -%
[02:32] <Stargazer> 'battery -%' *
[02:32] <twb> Stargazer: well, just write that line into a file
[02:32] <twb> Stargazer: but I imagine there are packages to do it for you
[02:33] <Stargazer> Oh, about that.
[02:33] <twb> Note that my line above assumes you only have one battery.
[02:33] <Stargazer> Ubuntu Server didn't connect to my router when i was installing.
[02:33] <p_quarles> Stargazer: acpi -t will give you battery info on many systems
[02:33] <twb> p_quarles: thanks, that'd be one of those packages that I forgot the names of :-)
[02:36] <Stargazer> ... how do i connect ubuntu server to my router ?
[02:37] <p_quarles> Stargazer: with an ethernet cable? if it doesn't get an ip address automatically, you'll need to  start looking for error messages
[02:37] <Stargazer> Where should i look for the errors, on startup ?
[02:38] <p_quarles> run 'sudo dhclient'
[02:39] <Stargazer> 'egrep: /etc/resolv.conf: No such file or directory;'
[02:41] <Stargazer> For the most part that's all. ^
[02:41] <p_quarles> interesting; what's the result of ls -l /etc/resolv.conf ?
[02:42] <Stargazer> -rw-r--r-- root root 46 2009-03-17 21:39 /etc.resolv.conf
[02:43] <p_quarles> well then it's lying
[02:44] <Stargazer> Bug, maybe ? (8.10)
[02:44] <twb> I blame NetworkManager
[02:44] <twb> In my experience, it is the root cause of all network problems.
[02:44] <twb> *ALL* of them!
[02:44]  * twb smashes through a wall
[02:45] <p_quarles> Stargazer: what it's telling you doesn't make sense; I've got no clue; best bet here is to idle until someone who does answers
[02:45] <p_quarles> twb: +1
[02:45]  * Stargazer will soon begin to rot.
[02:46] <twb> Issues like "I installed a NIS client as normal on my new Ubuntu desktop and now my machine takes half an hour to boot."
[02:46] <twb> Yes, that's right, kids, NetworkManager was trying to use NIS to find out who owned itself!
[02:48] <Stargazer> Mind***~
[02:50] <Stargazer> So, um, i use 'sudo su' and do 'dhclient' and that file(/etc/resolv.conf) now exists in it's all power sight.
[02:52] <p_quarles> "sudo su" is something that works but isn't right; please use sudo -i
[02:53] <p_quarles> because at least people QA that
[02:53] <Stargazer> What does 'QA' mean ?
[02:55] <p_quarles> quality assurance
[02:55] <Stargazer> Ah.
[02:55] <p_quarles> as far as I know, chaining sudo and su isn't supported by anyone
[02:55] <hads> sudo -s would be the equivilent
[02:55] <p_quarles> and sudo has its own options for opening shells
[02:55] <p_quarles> hads: that too
[02:56] <hads> sudo -i would be sudo su -
[02:56] <hads> (just to be pedantic) :)
[02:56] <moz_> how do i check if my wireless usb stick is installed?
[02:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> if a usb port is full, its probably 'installed' :
[02:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[02:56] <p_quarles> hads: yes, you're absolutely right; I just prefer sudo -i / su - :)
[02:58] <moz_> Kamping_Kaiser: what do you mean ?
[02:58] <twb> sudo su is wrong; it should be 'sudo su -'
[02:58] <p_quarles> moz_: iwconfig
[02:59] <Stargazer> Either way, '/etc/resolv.conf' now exists. so, um, no "errors" as far as i can tell.
[02:59] <hads> twb: We just had this discussion :)
[02:59] <p_quarles> twb: the first preserves the user environment; the second (better imo) switches to root's environment
[02:59] <moz_> oh i've got a wlan0, i guess that means installed
[02:59] <twb> Right.
[02:59] <twb> Otherwise root shits all over your e.g. .aptitude/config
[03:00] <hads> See above, sudo -(i|s)
[03:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> twb, more important - it mods your .vimrc! :O
[03:00] <twb> Kamping_Kaiser: I wouldn't know about that.
[03:00] <twb> I use vi.
[03:01] <Stargazer> Ubuntu has evolved to the point where it adapts to it's pleasing.
[03:01] <twb> vim is for little girls who never learnt ed
[03:01]  * Kamping_Kaiser shuns twb
[03:01] <hads> Is sudo su for people that didn't learn sudo?
[03:01] <twb> hads: chiark-really is that :PO
[03:02] <JanC> twb: so why don't you use ed instead of vi then  :P
[03:02] <hads> heh
[03:02] <p_quarles> hads: insofar as using both at the same time is redundant, yes
[03:03] <genii> Gah. editor warz
[03:03] <twb> JanC: actually I mostly use cat and sed --in-place.
[03:03] <Stargazer> New topic/question: how do i enable the rest of the repos ?
[03:03] <twb> Stargazer: carefully
[03:03] <hads> Stargazer: /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:07] <moz_> how do u actually try connecting to a wireless network with a terminal
[03:07] <moz_> only ever done it with network manager
[03:15] <storrgie> i am running a verlihub server on ubuntu, how can I add it to my hosts.allow
[03:16] <moz_> sudo iwconfig eth1 essid "tp1"
[03:16] <moz_> i tried this
[03:16] <moz_> but it just returned straight away there was no wireless activity noise
[03:16] <moz_> what am i doing wrong?
[03:23] <moz_> ok i got it, sort of
[03:23] <moz_> i set the essid and then the key
[03:24] <moz_> then connected using sudo dhclient wlan0
[03:24] <moz_> but i got some messages saying egrep /etc/resolv.conf: no such file or directory
[03:24] <TimReichhart> could anybody help me with a issue with nagios3
[03:25] <moz_> chown: failed to get attributes of '/etc/resolv.conf' : no such file or directory
[03:25] <moz_> chmod: failed to get attributes of '/etc/resolv.conf' : no such file or directory
[03:25] <infinity> moz_: You really wanted to be setting this up in /etc/network/interfaces (man 5 interfaces) and using ifup/ifdown to manage the interface.
[03:25] <infinity> moz_: dhclient run raw will not often behave quite as you expect.
[03:26] <moz_> i can ping my router
[03:26] <moz_> but not any internet address
[03:26] <moz_> so thats something
[03:26] <infinity> moz_: Define "internet address".
[03:26] <moz_> ping google.com
[03:26] <moz_> was unknown host
[03:26] <infinity> moz_: If you mean hostnames, rather than IP addresses, that would be because you have no resolv.conf. :P
[03:27] <moz_> infinity: why is that? what does the file do
[03:27] <TimReichhart> does anybody know nagios3?
[03:27] <infinity> moz_: dhclient needs to write your nameserver addresses to resolv.conf.
[03:27] <infinity> moz_: No nameservers, no DNS resolution, no google.com
[03:27] <moz_> but it cant access that file, do I need to create it? im not sure how to fix it
[03:28] <infinity> moz_: Like I said, you would have been much better off doing this with higher level interfaces (ifupdown) rather than manually. :/
[03:29] <infinity> moz_: But, at a guess, "sudo touch /etc/resolv.conf && sudo dhclient wlan0" would fix it up.  Ish.
[03:29]  * infinity goes to find some dinner or something.
[03:29] <moz_> infinity: i will try thanks
[03:29] <TimReichhart> ok i guess no help then
[03:31] <TimReichhart> anybody know how to reconfigure a package inside of ubuntu 8.10 server?
[03:33] <infinity> TimReichhart: dpkg-reconfigure <package>
[03:34] <TimReichhart> thanks infinity
[03:40] <moz_> a question, im trying to update my installation, but its tell me i need to install the kernel linux-image-2.6.27-7-server when i just installed linux-image-2.6.27-11-server as this is the first kernel with a driver that works with my USB stick, should I allow the update?
[03:41] <moz_> i thought 2.6.27-11-server was stable now
[03:55] <oh_noes> why isnt ubuntu server spitting out anything on /dev/random?
[03:55] <oh_noes> Im trying to generate a gpg but its not generating it, it wants random but cat /etc/random isnt giving me anything
[04:25] <oh_noes> is there an AMD64 version of Ubuntu JeOS hardy 8.04?
[04:28] <giovani3> oh_noes: not afaik, it says right on the JeOS page, x86
[04:28] <giovani3> and I don't know why /dev/random isn't working for you -- it should
[04:30] <oh_noes> it's working .. it's just not outputting a lot of info.  So random apps, take a long time to get a bugger
[04:30] <oh_noes> buffer*
[04:31] <giovani3> right, try /dev/urandom instead
[04:31] <giovani3> less entropy
[04:34] <oh_noes> can't ... it's gpg reading /dev/random, not me.  Anywho, it finished it just took longer
[05:06] <mennis> Anyone here familiar with Coraid AoE based SANs?
[05:24] <yoophglup> hello, i need help with remote desktop connections is this a good place for help
[05:25] <yoophglup> i am using ubuntu and vinagre
[05:27] <hads> yoophglup: Try #ubuntu
[06:31] <sLaeYa> !paste
[06:33] <sLaeYa> hi I have just installed a fresh copy of ubuntu 8.10 - which worked seemlessly and then ISPconfig
[06:34] <sLaeYa> I am now having problems when the server starts with bind9 and pop3 failing - Error log for bind http://paste.ubuntu.com/132863/
[06:34] <sLaeYa> help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated
[07:04] <sLaeYa> hey is anyone in here who can help with bind9 please
[09:02] <kraut> moin
[10:23] <dman> hey guys, for some reason when i hotplug my sata drive it keeps getting an incremented /dev/sd* entry
[10:23] <dman> any idea why?
[10:55] <lex> hola
[12:23] <sLaeYa> evening all
[12:23] <sLaeYa> !paste
[12:25] <sLaeYa> I'm currently having issues with authing on my mailserver - via webmail and also external mail clients ie. outlook, here is a snippet from the log file http://paste.ubuntu.com/133003/
[12:35] <soren> sLaeYa: Yes?
[12:35] <soren> sLaeYa: Have you cecked your MYSQL_{SERVER,SOCKET} settings?
[12:40] <heath|work> hello... what is the command to refresh /dev/disk/by-uuid ?
[12:41] <[1]sLaeYa> hi soren, sorry my internet is playing up
[12:41] <[1]sLaeYa> I haven't checked the MYSQL_{SERVER,SOCKET} settings as I am not sure how to do this
[12:42] <soren> [1]sLaeYa: It says how right there in your error message?
[12:42] <[1]sLaeYa> oh, i thought you were referring to mysql config
[12:44] <[1]sLaeYa> i have absolutely nothing in /etc/courier/authmysqlrc does this mean I have setup my mysql wrong ?
[12:46] <[1]sLaeYa> however I have a file authmysqlrc~
[12:48] <soren> it's kind of hard to tell with the amount of information you've given.
[12:48] <soren> What have you done to teach courier to talk to your mysql server.
[12:48] <soren> =
[12:48] <soren> ?
[12:50] <[1]sLaeYa> I followed a readme to install an Ubuntu 8.10 server with ISPconfig
[12:50] <heath|work> Can you have 2 disks with the same label mounted?
[12:51] <heath|work> [1]sLaeYa, we run ISPconfig here on ubuntu... what issue are you having?
[12:51] <Ethos> hi guys, whats the easiest way to regenerate grub
[12:51] <Ethos> i've copied over a server to a new hdd and it won't boot
[12:51] <Ethos> I assume it's just grub that's messing up as it says "non-system disk"
[12:52] <[1]sLaeYa> I am unable to authenticate with webmail or using pop3 I am getting this error in the log http://paste.ubuntu.com/133003/
[12:53] <heath|work> are you able to log in to the admin side of ISPconfig?
[12:56] <sLaeYa> I also have the worst wireless internet connection at home, but thats another story
[12:56] <sLaeYa> ***the last thing I saw before I dropped was*** my post about pastebin
[12:57] <sLaeYa> I mean - my post with a pastebin link
[12:57] <heath|work> sLaeYa, can you connect via the admin portion of ISPconfig?
[12:57] <sLaeYa> yes
[12:58] <heath|work> everything is working in there then, user and sites are add
[12:59] <ScottK> Ethos: Did you create and copy over the /boot partition?
[13:00] <sLaeYa> everything is working, I can add users I have added a site
[13:00] <sLaeYa> and email accounts, and ftp users
[13:00] <sLaeYa> FTP works - email doesn't
[13:00] <Ethos> It was supposed to, but i've got a feeling it didn't
[13:00] <Ethos> I used "ping" and selected all 3 partitions
[13:00] <heath|work> in the services in the admin... is email running?
[13:01] <sLaeYa> yes - all services are running
[13:02] <sLaeYa> webserver, ftpserver, smtpserver, pop3server, bindserver and mysqlserver all show as running
[13:05] <heath|work> sLaeYa, try to telnet to 110 and make sure it is answering.  telnet server 110
[13:07] <sLaeYa> yes its working
[13:07] <sLaeYa> +Ok Hello there.
[13:09] <heath|work> The only other thing I can think of is you forgot to put a check by Mailuser login of the site
[13:09] <ivoks> ispconfig?
[13:09] <heath|work> yeah
[13:10] <heath|work> sLaeYa, is having issues logging in to get mail
[13:10] <heath|work> pop or web
[13:10] <sLaeYa> both
[13:10] <sLaeYa> i have ticked the mailuser box
[13:11] <heath|work> does anyone know the command to refresh /dev/disk after adding a new partition?
[13:13] <ball> Is software RAID tricky to set up on Ubuntu Server?
[13:13] <heath|work> ball, no
[13:13] <heath|work> I use mdadm
[13:14] <sLaeYa> im ready to format the silly thing, only ive done this 3 times and it hasnt helped
[13:14] <ball> heath|work: thanks
[13:14] <heath|work> np... there are plenty of good tutorials on the net
[13:15] <heath|work> sLaeYa, I believe everything is setup right.
[13:15] <sLaeYa> I thought it was but I'm still getting the authentication error
[13:15] <heath|work> how are you trying to log into webmail... using<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[13:15] <sLaeYa> Mar 18 20:49:56 server1 authdaemond: authmysql: MYSQL_SERVER nor MYSQL_SOCKET set in/etc/courier/authmysqlrc.
[13:16] <sLaeYa> I have tried<EMAIL_ADDRESS>web1_user<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:16] <Ethos> sounds like you simply haven't set it up right
[13:16] <Ethos> have you tried following the guides?
[13:17] <heath|work> sLaeYa, http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/showthread.php?p=172319
[13:17] <soren> heath|work: udevadm trigger
[13:18] <heath|work> soren, nice... that will not change anything in use?
[13:19] <bromic94> hey how do i know if apache is starting as root
[13:20] <soren> heath|work: It probably will.
[13:20] <soren> heath|work: Proceed with caution :)
[13:20] <heath|work> hmmm.... I used a cmd once and of-course didn't write it down that worked perfect, but I can't find it
[13:21] <soren> heath|work: Could have been udevadm trigger (or just udevtrigger, depending on the age of the system).
[13:22] <heath|work> soren, thanks... I will read through the man pages to see how bad off I cam... I have a production server that I created a new part for, but need to get the UUID in /dev/disk
[13:22] <sLaeYa> heath that confused me more than anything :(
[13:23] <heath|work> lol... sorry, it just looked like your issue
[13:23] <soren> heath|work: Oh, you could just try "partprobe /dev/sd?"
[13:23] <heath|work> soren, THAT's IT
[13:23] <heath|work> damn... I have been torturing myself all morning!!
[13:23] <heath|work> thanks
[13:23] <sLaeYa> it looked similar but it was written by someone who didn't have a good grasp of english, english isn't my first language so I don't understand it properly
[13:24] <soren> heath|work: I thought you had just changed the contents of existing partitions. In that case, you /do/ need to udevadm trigger to pick up the new uuid.
[13:24] <soren> heath|work: From Jaunty and onwards, though, you wouldn't need to do anything. Both things would automatically be dealt with by udev.
[13:24] <heath|work> I even typed part... lol
[13:24] <bromic94> what are the big changes in 9.04 server?
[13:25] <heath|work> soren, cool, this server is going to be here till 2013 though
[13:25] <heath|work> LTS
[13:25] <soren> heath|work: "both things" being "adding a partition and putting a filesystem on it" and "re-mkfs'ing an existing partition and have the new uuid symlink pop up"
[13:25] <ball> I'm debating whether to try Ubuntu Server on this machine
[13:26] <soren> bromic94: I don't have a list handy, I'm afraid. I think there's something on the wiki, but I'm not sure. I know the few things, I've been working on myself, and some of the stuff others have been working on, but I don't have an exhaustive list.
[13:26] <bromic94> soren: what have you been working on
[13:26] <bromic94> i just meant what you guys are aware of
[13:27] <soren> bromic94: I've been working on lots of virtualisation and cloud computing stuff.
[13:27] <bromic94> nice
[13:27] <soren> bromic94: And probably some other stuff I've forgotten about.
[13:27] <soren> I keep myself busy :)
[13:27] <bromic94> when i set up phpmyadmin i get invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/apache-ssl not found
[13:28] <bromic94> it can not find the directory apache-ssl bc its not there
[13:28] <bromic94> but i followed these instructions to setup ssl http://www.tc.umn.edu/~brams006/selfsign_ubuntu.html
[13:29] <bromic94> i want it to be only apache-ssl and not apache2-ssl and apache2
[13:30] <soren> bromic94: You really don't :)
[13:30] <soren> bromic94: apache-ssl is *ancient*
[13:30] <bromic94> oh ok
[13:30] <bromic94> i want to go this: https://serverdomain.com/phpmadmin goes to phpmyadmin only not http
[13:30] <soren> I think the Roman Empire's web page was hosted on it. Seriously, tt's not what you want.
[13:30] <Ethos> lol
[13:30] <AnRkey> how can i stop the debian-installer from checking security.ubuntu.com repo during preseeded installs?
[13:30] <bromic94> ok
[13:31] <bromic94> i want a secure connection to phpmyadmin through https and not http
[13:32] <soren> AnRkey: Put "d-i apt-setup/security_host string" in your preseed.
[13:32] <soren> bromic94: Set up phpmyadmin as you normally would and move the "Alias /phpmyadmin" definition into your SSL VirtualHost.
[13:33] <bromic94> oh ok...so in the VH for http take out the alias
[13:33] <bromic94> the alias for https is alraedy in there i just nwat to remove the one for htpt
[13:33] <sLaeYa> how would I do a clean install of the sasl ?
[13:34] <AnRkey> soren, thanks trying it now
[13:34] <bromic94> that alias would be in the file /etc/apache2/sites-avaiable/default?
[13:38] <AnRkey> soren, thanks that fixed my problem
[13:39] <soren> AnRkey: cool
[13:39] <AnRkey> shweet, it's flying past that part now, much faster
[13:39] <AnRkey> w000t
[13:39] <bromic94> anyone?
[13:39] <bromic94> i think it is under there but did not find it
[13:40] <orudie> ivoks, hi
[13:43] <bromic94> when you install phpmyadnmin it goes for https and http i wnat to remove access via http how can i do that
[13:43] <bromic94> i know i haev to go and remove the alias but where is the alias listed
[13:52] <AnRkey> bromic94, i know a little about apache configs (very little) taking a look at mine for u quick
[13:52] <AnRkey> brb
[13:53] <AnRkey> bromic94, have you setup https for apache yet?
[13:54] <AnRkey> if you want to force https you can do it with a .htaccess file and leave http on
[13:55] <AnRkey> that way if someone uses http it auto switches to https
[13:55] <AnRkey> bromic94, http://plesk.hostza.co.za
[13:55] <AnRkey> example of it working there
[13:58] <genii> Hm. Another reason not to use mysql
[14:11] <bromic94_> who sent me the stuff for gruffi.hostza.co.za?
[14:11] <bromic94_> and yes i have https set up for apache
[14:11] <bromic94_> already
[14:16] <moz_> is there a quick guide to setting up phpmyadmin on ubuntu server?
[14:18] <Ethos> sudo apt-get install phpmyadmin
[14:19] <Ethos> To set up under Apache all you need to do is include the following line in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf.
[14:19] <Ethos> Include /etc/phpmyadmin/apache.conf
[14:19] <bromic94_> Ethos: want to set it up only for https
[14:19] <bromic94_> not http
[14:20] <Ethos> No idea
[14:20] <Ethos> I just read "[14:16] < moz_> is there a quick guide to setting up phpmyadmin on ubuntu server?
[14:20] <Ethos> "
[14:20] <Ethos> Which says nothing about https :D
[14:20] <moz_> http
[14:20] <moz_> thanks
[14:21] <bromic94_> Ethos: oh ok
[14:21] <bromic94_> sorry
[14:21] <Ethos> :)
[14:23] <moz_> will give it a whirl
[14:23] <bromic94> finally lol
[14:25] <bromic94> whats a good web admin gui for server
[14:25] <bromic94> like webmin, cpanel, etc
[14:26] <henkjan> bromic94: openpanel
[14:26] <henkjan> bromic94: depends on your needs
[14:27] <bromic94> the sources.list is where again?
[14:28] <henkjan> /etc/apt
[14:28] <bromic94> ok thanks
[14:28] <bromic94> memory lapse lol
[14:30] <bromic94> henkjan: going to try it out
[14:30] <bromic94> is that the only open source one?
[14:33] <genii> bromic94: There is ispconfig and ebox
[14:33] <bromic94> i hate ebox
[14:33] <bromic94> i have not dealt with ispconfig
[14:34] <bromic94> could you send me a screen shot of openpanel id ont see where uc an see ss on their site
[14:34] <genii> bromic94: ispconfig is good but as far as I know no deb package right now, so manual install
[14:34] <dexem> bromic94, why you don't like ebox?
[14:34] <bromic94> i just done
[14:34] <bromic94> *dont
[14:34] <bromic94> for what i need to use it for like stuff that is precompiled
[14:34] <bromic94> ebox u have to add stuff
[14:36] <henkjan> bromic94: http://documentation.openpanel.com/index.php/End_users
[14:36] <orudie> i need help please i followed this tutorial https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/mail-filtering.html now no mail is going in or out
[14:36] <bromic94> dexem: u use ebox?
[14:37] <bromic94> henkjan and dexem and genii ebox the people would need to use it dont have time to manually install it even though it is not that hard
[14:37] <orudie> please someone help
[14:38] <giovani3> orudie: did you do the "testing" section with telnet?
[14:38] <dexem> bromic94, well, somehow yes...
[14:38] <dexem> bromic94, what things do you usually need to add manually?
[14:38] <orudie> giovani3, yes i have
[14:38] <orudie> i just want to undo it
[14:38] <giovani3> orudie: and what happened?
[14:38] <giovani3> then undo it ... all the steps you did are right there
[14:38] <jurism> Hi! Can You help me with file permissions? I have virtualmin (webmin) I have 2 partitions one /root, other /home (where all WEB content are located). I replaces system disk (/root) and now I have permission problems. Can You give me pelase some suggestions? Thank You!
[14:38] <orudie> giovani3, i have, but nothing is going in or out
[14:38] <orudie> giovani3, i am trying to undo it for now
[14:38] <giovani3> then you didn't undo all of your steps :)
[14:39] <orudie> well by stopping daemos
[14:39] <orudie> can you please help me with this
[14:39] <orudie> sudo postconf -e 'content_filter = smtp-amavis:[<IP_ADDRESS>]:10024'
[14:39] <orudie> that right there i dont know how to undo
[14:40] <orudie> giovani3, dude please
[14:41] <giovani3> orudie: you have to calm down ... this is free support, I'm working
[14:42] <orudie> giovani3, ok... not sure how to undo this line sudo postconf -e 'content_filter = smtp-amavis:[<IP_ADDRESS>]:10024'
[14:42] <giovani3> orudie: it's in your /etc/postfix/main.cf
[14:42] <giovani3> I believe
[14:46] <orudie> ok i removed that line now able to receive messages, but not send out
[14:46] <giovani3> once again ... you simply have to undo what you've done -- I have no clue what you've done
[14:55] <orudie> ok i have undone everything and it seem to work like before
[14:55] <orudie> i'll work on this at night to make sure there is no email downtime
[15:24] <moz_> i cant see to upload a file on my ftp client, to my ftp server that is running ubuntu server
[15:25] <moz_> i have enabled write access in the config files, and my 'www' directly is set to 777 chmod
[15:25] <moz_> im using vsftpd
[15:25] <moz_> and smart ftp from a windows machine as client
[15:25] <moz_> are there any common mistakes i may have made
[15:26] <moz_> oh it seems to have made it in now... little bit confusing
[15:36] <orudie> is there a way to move files from one box to another using terminal ?
[15:37] <billyk> orudie: rsync is probably easiest
[15:38] <billyk> you could also use netcat and scp
[15:38] <orudie> oh scp i remember using that a while ago
[15:39] <billyk> orudie: if you need to copy to a windows box, smb might be easiest though since windows supports that natively
[15:39] <billyk> but rsync is my fav <3
[15:39] <orudie> nope not windows
[15:39] <orudie> from ubuntu server to centos
[15:44] <genii> You can install rsync on windows boxes with for instance cygwin
[15:45] <billyk> genii: didnt know that.  cool :-)
[15:45] <genii> billyk: np
[15:45] <maswan> You can also install ubuntu on windows boxes with for instance the ubuntu-server cd ;)
[15:45] <genii> maswan: Hehe :)
[15:46] <billyk> haah i know that
[15:51] <genii> billyk: MS also has some utilities called Services For Unix which includs stuff like nfs which can also be used for backups
[15:52] <billyk> meh, I'm happy with rsync for backups
[15:53] <billyk> oh, one question I had, I've always wondered which was fastest for copying data (least overhead)
[15:53] <billyk> ftp, scp, smb, rsync, nfs
[15:55] <genii> differential rsync for me
[15:56] <{bosco}> anyone know of a good site (how to ) to make it so users on my server can only view there own home dir and nothing else so they cant {cd} outsite of it???
[15:56] <heath|work> when is the release date for 9.04?
[15:59] <heath|work> {bosco}, there was a put my users in jail thread on the forums...
[15:59] <heath|work> here it is... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=696103
[16:01] <{bosco}> thanks i will take a look
[16:01] <heath|work> {bosco}, are they local users or remote?
[16:08] <{bosco}> i only allow sftp and ssh access or will once the switch is done
[16:09] <{bosco}> heathjwork
[16:09] <{bosco}> heath|work:
[16:10] <{bosco}> you there
[16:10] <heath|work> {bosco}, can't you just change the other perm to 0 for all folders you don't want them to get inito
[16:10] <{bosco}> idk lol
[16:11] <{bosco}> i just want them not to be able to view anything else but there home dir how hard can that be lol
[16:13] <{bosco}> heath|work:
[16:14] <{bosco}> you there
[16:16] <heath|work> it's not hard something like find / -maxdepth 1 -type d -exec chmod o-rwx '{}' \;
[16:16] <heath|work> you can't cd on a dir that is not exec
[16:16] <heath|work> test that first^^ I just shat it out
[16:26] <jmarsden> heath|work: If your system is a web server that will break it, and so on and so forth... :)  I think the more interesting issue is exactly *why* {bosco}  feels that for users to be able to look at the contents of (say) /bin or /usr/bin is a problem and something he needs to prevent...??  What is in there that is so secret??  if there are a few directories on his machine that for some reason *are* secret but publica
[16:26] <jmarsden> lly readable, then it makes sense to just protect those...
[16:29] <heath|work> I agree
[16:35] <mennis> Anyone here familiar with SAN gear from Coraid?
[16:49] <orudie> i'm using a vps account to deploy ubuntu 8.10 server
[16:50] <orudie> and it installs only the "basic core" , how would i get it to the standard ubuntu server , lets say if i would have installed it from a cd
[17:44] <mathiaz> kirkland: likewise-open questions?
 mathiaz: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/likewise-open/+bug/323601
 Launchpad bug 323601 in likewise-open "[FFe] Upgrade to likewise-open 5 for Jaunty" [Wishlist,Fix committed]
 mathiaz: looks to me that likewise-open5 is a completely new package
 mathiaz: that's going to need to co-reside with likewise-open
 mathiaz: which is 4.1
[17:45] <mathiaz> kirkland: correct
[17:45] <kirkland> mathiaz: and this new package is destined for universe, for jaunty, right?
[17:46] <mathiaz> kirkland: yes
[17:46] <kirkland> mathiaz: coolio, that's all i had ;-)
[17:46] <kirkland> mathiaz: thanks.
[17:46] <mathiaz> kirkland: np :)
[17:48] <kpettit> I'm trying to use the GUI network-manager for VPN.  It works great, but if I try to add anything custom through the GUI like routes, etc it looses those changes once I leave the dialog box.  Any ideas what I can do to keep the custom information I put in?
[17:49] <kpettit> it's using network-manager with the pptp module
[18:22] <smetj> hello, I was a bit surprised with the lack of official support for xen in ubuntu server and choosing kvm instead.  I was wondering if kvm is actually already production ready, and why xen is denied in such a way?
[18:25] <kpettit>  Ah I think I figured it out.  Have to hand edit  a script in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d
[18:25] <kpettit> Anybody know how I can findoud the default route from the commandline?  I need to grab the default route in the script I'm going to write.    I've had problems with xen on every distro I've tried.  kvm was ok, but i think it's still slow
[18:26] <kpettit> My favorite vm solution so far is the free vmware-server 2.x
[18:27] <kpettit> Gives you a web interface that you can add/edit/view vm's.  Just need to have firefox or ie
[18:27] <racecar56> ie = fail
[18:27] <kpettit> IE is my favorite thing in the world, but it's nice for my users.
[18:27] <stefan_can> kpettit, but is xen faster than vmware ?
[18:28] <kpettit> It's supposed to be, but I'd have to have it running first to find out
[18:28] <racecar56> well, if anyone here had experience in helping me from before about my hp mediasmart ex475... i have news
[18:28] <stefan_can> that is if you tried it , as I didn't have the  chance yet
[18:28] <racecar56> im vmware-ing a vm of it now, and i can be able to see what to do now...
[18:29] <kpettit> xen requires the newer processors with the VM extensions to work at all.  And I know if you have a linux xen server running linux it's faster than just about anything besides uml (user mode linux)
[18:29] <kpettit> racecar56: Make sure first of all that you have one of the newer processors that can run xen
[18:30] <racecar56> well... is amd live good enough?
[18:30] <racecar56> thats what its got
[18:30] <racecar56> with 512 mb ram
[18:30] <jmarsden> kpettit: For the default route, you can either parse route -n output or parse /proc/net/route :)  But, since it *is* the default, does your script truly need it?
[18:30] <racecar56> (heehee)
[18:30] <kpettit> I think the process extension is vt or vtx
[18:31] <kpettit> jmarsden: yes.  Becuase I need to have a proper if-down type of script.   So I want to have that info at the ready
[18:31] <kpettit> racecar56: I don't think so.  If the processor is older than about 1-2 years probally not
[18:32] <racecar56> ok... i was planning to use it as a web server anyway
[18:32] <kpettit> racecar56: check this out http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/HVM_Compatible_Processors
[18:33] <kpettit> racecar56: you can still use vmware or VirtualBox.  VirtualBox I beleive is opensource, or was anyways.  Been awhile sense I've tried it
[18:33] <racecar56> there is opensource and freeware versions of vbox... and my desktop pc (alongside my old laptop) can run that...
[18:33] <kpettit> FYI don't use VMware or the like to run a gateway, or voip vm.  It's caused me alot of headache trying, there are some minute timing issues
[18:34] <jmarsden> racecar56: Run    egrep '(vmx|svm)' --color=always /proc/cpuinfo     to check for the relevant CPU flags See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Installation
[18:34] <kpettit> jmarsden: nice.  I'm going to have to note that one
[18:35] <racecar56> well i cant do that now its running in a vmware vm
[18:36] <racecar56> which would mean it would say stuff about vmware's/my host pc's processor (intel core 2 quad 8D )
[18:36] <jmarsden> racecar56: No, do that in a shell on running on the "real" OS, not one inside a VM :)
[18:36] <racecar56> where 8D = :D with sunglasses
[18:36] <racecar56> i cant see whats on my server o.o
[18:36] <racecar56> i dont have a monitor port
[18:36] <kpettit> racecar56: it's the real os (host) that needs to have the proper processor extensions
[18:36] <kpettit> you can ssh to it
[18:36] <racecar56> so i ssh it instead... but i yet have to find out will it work
[18:36] <jmarsden> You can't ssh into the real OS on your server???
[18:37] <racecar56> it dosent have internet/dosent even boot
[18:37] <jmarsden> Ah... if you can't boot it, you can't run shell commands on it... OK.
[18:37] <jmarsden> Then again, if you can't boot it, for sure you can't run VMs on it anyway :)
[18:38] <racecar56> i plan to use it for backup/web hosting
[18:38] <smetj> kpettit: any idea if you can have a kvm guest have direct access to a pci device?
[18:47] <kpettit_> ughh, route messed me up
[18:53] <smetj> kpettit: apparently with vt-d capabilities on the proc
[18:54] <kpettit_> sorry?  I think I missed the first part of that with my connection dying
[18:55] <smetj> oh I was wondering if it was possible with kvm to give guests direct access to pci devices
[18:55] <smetj> in kvm
[18:55] <smetj> apparently yes but you need vt-d on your proc
[18:56] <kpettit_> ah.  I have no idea.  Haven't tried it.  I know you can with devices like usb/serial, etc.  Not sure how that would work with PCI type devices
[19:45] <TimReichhart> can anybody help me configure nagios3?
[20:02] <TimReichhart> can anybody help me configure nagios3?
[20:06] <jmedina> TimReichhart: it is well documented in official howtos
[20:06] <TimReichhart> where show me because noting on nagios3 dont line up
[20:06] <TimReichhart> with what is installed onto my server
[20:20] <Deevz> hey folks
[20:24] <zoopster> TimReichhart: maybe this will help?  http://bit.ly/ujem
[20:25] <zoopster> Deevz: if you are waiting for an ack...you might be waiting a while...just ask a question!
[20:25] <Deevz> Haha
[20:25] <Deevz> Well, I just downloaded ubuntu server, getting rdy to set up my very first web server
[20:27] <Deevz> I was going for FreeBSD at first, but I found out about ubuntu server and I decided it would be more friendly for a newb like me
[20:27] <zoopster> Good choice Deevz
[20:27] <Deevz> ie, I have no unix-like os experience at all
[20:27] <Daviey> Deevz: you should be fine :)
[20:27] <Deevz> glad you guys tell me that
[20:28] <Deevz> Do you think it is better than freebsd?
[20:28] <RoAkSoAx> any KVM expert around?
[20:31] <zoopster> with 183 ppl in the room, I'm sure there are a few, what's the question RoAkSoAx
[20:32] <zoopster> Deevz: you are asking a biased crowd that question
[20:32] <RoAkSoAx> i wanna know how can i create snapshots or anything like it
[20:32] <Deevz> Lol zoop, I am very aware of that
[20:33] <Deevz> Its tough to get unbiased opinions in that software world :)
[20:33] <RoAkSoAx> anyone know how to create snapshots in KVM, or anything like it?
[20:36] <jmedina> RoAkSoAx: I think there is no way in KVM, I usually do snapshots of guest in Xen using LVM snapshots
[20:36] <jmedina> of cours guests are installed in LVMs
[20:37] <RoAkSoAx> jmedina, well... it seems i'll have to just many backups
[20:37] <RoAkSoAx> s/many/make
[20:38] <jmedina> oif course if you were using LVM with KVM, you culd use lvm snapshots, and in my oppinion it is the better way in performance
[20:39] <Deevz> Are most servers 64-bit or 32-bit?
[20:39] <jmedina> All my guests are LVM under RAID1, backups done with snapshots and backed up in an external servers
[20:39] <RoAkSoAx> jmedina, thanks for the advice... but suddenly i'm not using LVM
[20:39] <stefan_can> Deevz, depends how good you are at configuring and maintaining
[20:39] <Deevz> Why does it matter?
[20:40] <stefan_can> Deevz, if you have more than 4gb of mem in your server than it will use  a 64 bit os
[20:40] <Deevz> Of course
[20:41] <Deevz> Its probably not required to run a small website and a database then
[20:41] <jmedina> or you can use PAE withc sucks when you have 64bit hardware
[20:41] <jmedina> sorry for the bad word :S
[20:53] <Deevz> The ubuntu server installation is much more friendly than the freebsd one :)
[22:01] <stefan_can> uvirtbot, you might want to check the mysql bugs page
[22:01] <stefan_can> lol
[22:18] <Deevz> Hmmm... I cant install ubuntu server in virtual box
[22:19] <Deevz> The installer is stuck at "Detecting hardware"
[22:19] <Deevz> Is there any special trick to install it?
[22:27] <Deevz> Nevermind, it was a problem VirtualBox just froze...
[22:59] <Deevz> Why cant there be a graphical interface to ubuntu server? :(
[23:10] <jpds> Deevz: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerGUI#Arguments%20Against%20a%20GUI are some points.
[23:12] <Deevz> Is it easy to uninstall the desktop-environment once I am ready to get rid of it?
[23:13] <Deevz> I just moved to linux, I like my GUI, but apparently at some point it will be best to get rid of it
[23:15] <genii> Deevz: The graphical interface(s) to ubuntu server are usually in it's web based control panels you install for whatever specific things you run on it, etc
[23:15] <Deevz> I see
[23:16] <Deevz> Which control panel package do you suggest?
[23:16] <genii> Deevz: The default one which is recommended now is ebox (used to be webmin was default but is now not included or supported in ubuntu)
[23:17] <Deevz> ok, thx
[23:32] <bosco_> i need to know if there is a better vps or deticated server other than linode.com that offers ubuntu ????
[23:32] <bosco_> budget is 40 per month
[23:32] <bosco_> i know i wont find a deticated for that price


[10:47] <katkin> morning guys
[10:47] <katkin> just wondered whether anyone uses Songbird?
[01:58] <dthacker> jenda: ping
[01:59] <jenda> yo
[01:59] <jenda> dthacker^
[02:01] <dthacker> jenda: I'm trying to get tot the diy.devbuntu link from your email to the marketing list.  The link is not working.   Is there a homepage link for devbuntu.com?
[02:02] <jenda> oh
[02:02] <jenda> there seems to have been something wrong with the email I sent.
[02:02] <jenda> try diy.devubuntu.com/repo/spreadubuntu
[02:02] <dthacker> ok
[02:03] <jenda> and browse through to ubuntu.png in the first batch of stickers.
[02:03] <jenda> :)
[02:06] <dthacker> The requested URL /repo/spreadubuntu was not found on this server. :(
[02:10] <dthacker> jenda: ^^^^.   If you get a better link, please let me know or send to list, Thanks!
[02:12] <jenda> bleh... just a sec
[02:12] <jenda> right
[02:12] <jenda> it's gone
[02:13] <jenda> Sorry about that, I'll have to enquiree what's going on.
[02:17] <dthacker> ok tnx
[02:34] <meatballhat> jenda: ping!


[09:20] <Khalid_> who's on?
[09:21] <thelinuxer> Khalid_: me :)
[09:22] <Khalid_> Morning mate
[09:22] <Khalid_> I'm wondering if there will be any events regarding RHCE revision examining soon?
[09:22] <thelinuxer> morning :)
[09:22] <thelinuxer> we actually don't do anything related to RHCE
[09:22] <thelinuxer> this is a support channel for ubuntu
[09:23] <Khalid_> I know as it ain't related to ubuntu as it's not a redhat core OS
[09:23] <Khalid_> However it's the only certificate for linux in egypt innit?
[09:24] <thelinuxer> i am not sure it's the only certificate or not, but we are a community support channel
[09:24] <thelinuxer> we don't even do ubuntu related certificates :D
[09:25] <Khalid_> I think you got it wrong I'm not after the certificate I'm after an event where the material for them certificates can be discussed etc..
[09:26] <Khalid_> bas anyway it's a shame I can't find a proper place for that also self studying is a bit boring
[09:26] <thelinuxer> i am not sure, but have u checked linux+ ?
[09:27] <Khalid_> The one in nasr city? If so then yeh I did
[09:27] <thelinuxer> no it's in maadi
[09:27] <thelinuxer> let me check
[09:28] <thelinuxer> not sure
[09:28] <thelinuxer> can u please ask this question on the mailing list
[09:28] <thelinuxer> u'll get better answers there isA
[09:28] <thelinuxer> more people we keda
[09:29] <Khalid_> Ahh rite thanks mate
[09:30] <thelinuxer> Khalid_: yw :)
[12:36] <thelinuxer> kim0: hi man
[12:36] <thelinuxer> i have a question
[12:36] <kim0> thelinuxer: hey hey .. shoot
[12:36] <thelinuxer> something related to cdn
[12:37] <thelinuxer> can we mount cdn on a local system ?
[12:37] <kim0> which cdn
[12:37] <thelinuxer> or anything like this
[12:37] <kim0> I know S3 has s3fs and multiple fuse implementations
[12:38] <thelinuxer> i need a service where i can host my files and mount this on another system
[12:38] <kim0> so generally I'd say yes
[12:38] <thelinuxer> ok will check S3, thanks man
[12:38] <kim0> cool
[12:48] <thelinuxer> kim0: tab ubuntu one yenfa3 ?
[12:49] <kim0> checking
[12:49] <thelinuxer> ok thanx
[12:49] <kim0> thelinuxer: you know that ubuntuone can be mounted locally .. at least from the GUI (can be cli?)
[12:50] <EgyParadox> !cdn
[12:50] <kim0> and I know ubuntuone uses S3 as its backend
[12:50] <kim0> so scalability wise, it's probably not that bad :)
[12:50] <thelinuxer> hmmm
[12:50] <kim0> so it just might work
[12:50] <kim0> but if I were doing it, I'd go with plain S3
[12:51] <thelinuxer> i guess ur right ... but r there any other services like S3 that you would recommend ?
[12:51] <thelinuxer> and i will search for that mounting thing :D
[12:51] <kim0> cloud files from rackspace
[12:51] <kim0> akami
[12:51] <kim0> akamai
[12:52] <kim0> lime networks is it
[12:52] <kim0> y3ny .. a good search would reveal more ofcourse :)
[12:52] <kim0> not sure why the local mount thing is important to you though
[12:53] <kim0> probably it won't be available for many of em
[12:53] <thelinuxer> it's actually for a friend of mine
[12:53] <thelinuxer> he asked my about it
[12:54] <thelinuxer> so i am asking the expert ;)
[12:54] <kim0> he's probably taking a shortcut by mounting it locally
[12:54] <thelinuxer> probably ...
[12:54] <kim0> If in doubt .. just go S3 .. probably widest support
[12:55] <thelinuxer> cool i will tell him that, thanks again :)
[12:55] <kim0> cool, glad to have helped
[12:56] <thelinuxer> :)
[12:57] <kim0> thelinuxer: are our friends, still asleep for you :)
[13:07] <thelinuxer> kim0: yes they still r
[13:07] <thelinuxer> i now think it's not gonna happen
[13:08] <kim0> large events happen slowly .. let's wait n see
[13:08] <thelinuxer> waiting ...
[13:42] <sarhan> hello guys
[13:42] <sarhan> ping thelinuxer
[13:43] <thelinuxer> hello sarhan :) How r u doing ?
[13:44] <sarhan> eating :D
[13:44] <sarhan> your feedback about the ugj?
[13:44] <thelinuxer> belhana :)
[13:44] <thelinuxer> we faced some problems
[13:45] <sarhan> how are the prbs?
[13:45] <thelinuxer> problems in installation
[13:46] <thelinuxer> most of the people weren't ready :)
[13:46] <thelinuxer> actually now i am waiting for upstream reply to upload a package i built
[13:46] <thelinuxer> but it's taking a lot of communications time
[13:46] <sarhan> good
[13:47] <sarhan> you did a translation jam?
[13:48] <thelinuxer> yes
[13:49] <sarhan> you earned some karma ? :D
[13:49] <thelinuxer> i suppose :)
[13:52] <sarhan> we didn't prepared a streaming together
[13:54] <thelinuxer> yes we didn't
[13:54] <thelinuxer> i guess we have to work on this for the next jam isA
[13:56] <sarhan> yes
[13:56] <thelinuxer> r u the loco lead ?
[14:03] <sarhan> no i am not
[14:03] <sarhan> we don't have a loco lead
[14:04] <sarhan> we are 8 persons who coordinate the team
[14:05] <sarhan> temporary
[14:06] <thelinuxer> sarhan: cool ...
[14:06] <thelinuxer> then i will have to talk to the 8 of u later :D
[14:06] <sarhan> no
[14:06] <sarhan> i will have to talk to the events coordinator
[14:07] <sarhan> every coordinator have a tasks ;)
[14:07] <thelinuxer> ok cool
[14:07] <thelinuxer> np
[14:07] <sarhan> we did this because our loco was dead after all old guys has quit it
[14:08] <thelinuxer> i understand that
[14:08] <thelinuxer> the same happened here too
[14:09] <sarhan> i hope you will be an approved loco team
[14:09] <thelinuxer> soon isA
[14:11] <EgyParadox> insha2allah
[14:13] <EgyParadox> thelinuxer: enta 3andak elog beta3 elapplication eli maktana3oosh beha?
[14:15] <sarhan> ah entouma ta7kiou 7ourouf  el3arbi bel ar9am?
[14:18] <EgyParadox> ah leh
[14:18] <EgyParadox> "D
[14:18] <EgyParadox> :D*
[14:23] <sarhan> guys you will go to Ubuntu developer week?
[14:26] <thelinuxer> EgyParadox: i can't understand your question ...
[14:26] <EgyParadox> elog beta3 eli kan 3ala elchannel eli betkalemo feha elcouncil 3ashan elapproval
[14:27] <thelinuxer> sarhan: not sure i have a lot to do this week
[14:27] <sarhan> so you will take look at logs :P
[14:27] <EgyParadox> I will try to attend
[14:28] <sarhan> first classroom is in 2 hours
[14:29] <thelinuxer> sarhan: yeah may be
[14:29] <thelinuxer> EgyParadox: check the logs after 17-7-2011
[14:29] <thelinuxer> 17-07-2010
[14:29] <EgyParadox> ok
[14:30] <EgyParadox> thnx
[14:31] <EgyParadox> #ubuntu-meeting?
[14:32] <thelinuxer> i guess
[14:33] <thelinuxer> EgyParadox: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda/20100720
[16:32] <EgyParadox> kim0: http://threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/new-versions-chrome-and-firefox-disable-diginotar-root-083111
[16:32] <EgyParadox> On Tuesday, Google released a new version of Chrome that disables DigiNotar trust in the browser.
[18:01] <EgyParadox> approved locos get the opporunity of feeding their blogs: http://loco.ubuntu.com/
[20:42] <ashams> thelinuxer: Hi
[20:44] <ashams> thelinuxer: would you please take a look at this: https://answers.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+question/170012
[20:44] <ashams> thanks
[20:47] <thelinuxer> ashams: ok, will do
[20:49] <thelinuxer> ashams: can u open loco directory aslan ?
[20:49] <ashams> thelinuxer: will try
[20:49] <thelinuxer> the server is down!
[20:50] <ashams> thelinuxer: yeah, just now
[20:50] <ashams> thelinuxer: Not again :(
[20:50] <thelinuxer> so it appears to be destructive operation after all
[20:50] <thelinuxer> i should have listened to you and opened a bug
[20:50] <ashams> haha
[20:51] <ashams> we destroyed loco directory
[20:51] <ashams> :D
[20:51] <ashams> I don' know what they mean by merging them!
[20:52] <thelinuxer> i guess it means we have 2 teams now
[20:52] <thelinuxer> and may be there is something on the loco directory to merge them
[20:53] <ashams>  I wish
[20:53] <thelinuxer> i guess we should open a bug on the loco directory
[20:53] <thelinuxer> not just a question
[20:53] <thelinuxer> the team should be updated by id and not name since teams can change their names...
[20:54] <ashams> I remeber that i read some bug report like this before, I searched but didn't found any
[20:54] <thelinuxer> report it again
[20:54] <ashams> will search again
[20:55] <thelinuxer> launchpad can detect duplicates
[20:55] <ashams> ok
[20:57] <ashams> thelinuxer: Hey, sorry, I'm not qualified enough to give them info, I'm just a translator after all ;)
[20:57] <ashams> go here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+filebug
[20:57] <thelinuxer> ok i will have to wait till i see the problem myself
[20:58] <ashams> thelinuxer: gr8 thinking
[20:58] <ashams> it's just not updated
[20:59] <thelinuxer> :)
[21:03] <ashams> thelinuxer: It's back, the same team name here: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/
[21:03] <ashams> thelinuxer: Best wishes & thanx
[21:03] <thelinuxer> mesh fahem
[21:03] <thelinuxer> i thought there was 2 teams
[21:04] <thelinuxer> it just didn't update the info, am i right ?
[21:04] <ashams> thelinuxer: Yes
[21:04] <ashams> that's why I can't understand their reply on the question
[21:04] <thelinuxer> 3ashan keda enta mafhemtesh el comment el ragel kan 3ayez menno eih
[21:04] <thelinuxer> :D
[21:05] <ashams> Bingooooo
[21:05] <thelinuxer> the question was a little fuzzy bardo
[21:05] <thelinuxer> u asked about lost data and stuff
[21:05] <ashams> :D
[21:05] <thelinuxer> u should have put it simple
[21:05] <thelinuxer> "The data was not updated"
[21:05] <ashams> yeah
[21:06] <thelinuxer> ok will file a bug 7ader
[21:06] <ashams> the bot thought this sentence a bug itself
[21:07] <ashams> wow, it's about translators too
[21:07] <ashams> :P
[21:07] <thelinuxer> i don't think i get it
[21:07] <thelinuxer> bas dah 3ashan ana ta3ban awi :D
[21:08] <ashams> 3ala fekra bayen 3alik
[21:08] <ashams> go sleep
[21:08] <thelinuxer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/518479
[21:08] <thelinuxer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/719482
[21:08] <ashams> nice thanks
[21:09] <ashams> now I'll connect the question to it and reply
[21:09] <ashams> bye
[21:09] <ashams> hey, it wasn't you
[21:09] <thelinuxer> there r 2 bugs
[21:09] <thelinuxer> yes it's not me
[21:09] <thelinuxer> some other people reported this
[21:10] <thelinuxer> what the hell!!?
[21:10] <thelinuxer> fixes has been released 7 month ago!
[21:10] <ashams> I don't like LD anymore
[21:10] <thelinuxer> it has a lot of potential
[21:11] <thelinuxer> bas only potential :D
[21:11] <ashams> so reopen or file new one?
[21:12] <thelinuxer> i am trying to reopen it
[21:12] <thelinuxer> bas i  can't
[21:13] <ashams> mesh 2ader walla eih?
[21:13] <ashams> Yemken 3ala shan ta3ban:P
[21:13] <thelinuxer> yes i can't find a way try it yourself
[21:14] <ashams> it's assigned to Michael Hall, only he can
[21:15] <ashams> no it needs bug-control privileges
[21:15] <thelinuxer> so open a new one
[21:15] <ashams> me? ok
[21:15] <thelinuxer> i didn't mean u :)
[21:16] <thelinuxer> i am just saying we need to open a new one
[21:17] <ashams> thelinuxer: It's our only choice now
[21:17] <ashams> https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+filebug
[21:19] <thelinuxer> ok i was filing a bug report and launchpad detected these 2
[21:19] <thelinuxer> will report it in a min
[21:19] <ashams> gr8, thnx
[21:19] <thelinuxer> thanx man :))
[21:31] <thelinuxer> ashams: https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/842157
[21:31] <ashams> thelinuxer: GREAT
[21:31] <ashams> THANKS :D
[21:32] <thelinuxer> 3ala eih ya man bas :)
[21:33] <ashams> I subscribed you to the Q
[21:52] <thelinuxer> yeah i saw
[21:52] <thelinuxer> i will go now
[21:52] <thelinuxer> catch u later isA
[21:52] <thelinuxer> salam
[23:07] <ashams> seif: Thanks man :D
[23:41] <lolz> السلام عليكم