[12:34] <citric_acid> known-working methods? (i think i'm the only one that backup system files instead of /home data ... lol XD )
[12:34] <Logico> it's a Western 1TB SATA 3
[12:34] <ncp> Logico, do you have SMART enabled?'
[12:35] <Logico> ncp, no, I disabled it on BIOS
[12:36] <ncp> Logico, i would do some checking of your harddrive
[12:37] <Logico> ncp, the Western diag tool didnt find any problem
[12:37] <bluenemo> does anyone have the Creative Sound Blaster Tactic3D headset and knows if it is working with ubuntu (12.04)?
[12:37] <Logico> ncp, the command sudo hdparm -B 255 /dev/sda returns:
[12:37] <Logico> /dev/sda:
[12:37] <Logico>  setting Advanced Power Management level to disabled
[12:37] <Logico>  HDIO_DRIVE_CMD failed: Input/output error
[12:37] <Logico>  APM_level	= not supported
[12:37] <FloodBot1> Logico: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[12:37] <Logico> ops, sorry by the flood =/
[12:38] <Logico> I actually dont know what exaclty this message means
[12:40] <rayleigh> hi i have installed tuxguitar instead of guitar pro in ubuntu 1204, but its sound is very different from guitar pro and i dunno how to deal with it
[12:40] <salvatore> Is it possible to install DJANGO - python on an apache web server where is already running PHP 5? i tried it but it broke my apache config and php applications stopped to work
[12:44] <pratz> hey guys can any one suggest any good networking irc channel ?
[12:45] <rayleigh> does anyone see my question?
[12:45] <rayleigh> pratz austnet #chatzone
[12:45] <oCean> pratz: I'd say ##networking
[12:55] <rayleigh> anyone use tuxguitar?
[12:55] <lboken> hi again a little trouble  i did surly somthing wrong cause now my pc only boot on my windows recovery partition (wish i didnt wanted to delete). would it be a way to keep it and yet still have my linux
[12:55] <never2far> is it possible to install only the man page of a program ?
[12:57] <geirha> never2far: "No", but you can look at man-pages at http://manpages.ubuntu.com
[12:57] <toxie_> toxie_
[12:57] <ghostchick> lboken, why not sudo update-grub
[12:59] <zixxy> rayleigh, I haven't, but it looks like the project has been abandoned. The latest news on their website is from 2009 and the forum is filled with spam about 'replica' watches.
[12:59] <lboken> ghostchick but ill have to install  the boot on the  recovery wont i?  i just hope it wont break it then
[12:59] <lboken> that probably my mistake i put the boots up in the  same partition than my /
[13:00] <rayleigh> zixxy, yes it is...so do you have any better software about music edition?
[13:01] <salvatore> Is it possible to install DJANGO - python on an apache web server where is already running PHP 5? i tried it but it broke my apache config and php applications stopped to work
[13:02] <ghostchick> lboken,  ubuntu will just pick up all the partitions normally
[13:03] <lboken> k  thanks   now i have to reinstall my ubuntu
[13:03] <stef_k> salvatore, yes i am running on linode apache + nginx with php, python and ruby, 1 wordpress installation, 1 django site and a RoR app (redmine)
[13:04] <j_ayen_green> With apt-get install apc-php, I get The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[13:04] <j_ayen_green>   php-apc: Depends: phpapi-20090626+lfs  E: Broken packages
[13:04] <salvatore> can you help me with Django installation?
[13:04] <zixxy> rayleigh, no. Sorry, I just play the same scales over and over ;)
[13:04] <rayleigh> zixxy, anyway, thank you~
[13:05] <stef_k> check this guide http://library.linode.com/frameworks/django-apache-mod-wsgi/ubuntu-10.10-maverick
[13:06] <salvatore> what isi linode?
[13:06] <lboken> just to make sure i dont make a mistake again do i install the boot up on sda or sda1 >(sda1 is my windows 7 recovery partition) sda6 is my   / , and sda7 is /home and sda5 is swap .
[13:07] <salvatore> this guide is for ubuntu 10.10... i got 12.04lts
[13:07] <salvatore> will it work?
[13:07] <stef_k> My server was 10.04 , upgraded to 12.04 and runs just fine
[13:09] <stef_k> Your apache must have mod_wsgi. Enable a new site pointing your Django app. Inside your Django app you must have your .wsgi settings file.
[13:14] <jpsiyu> hello
[13:15] <jpsiyu> i come here first time:-[
[13:15] <stef_k> welcome
[13:15] <jpsiyu> thanks
[13:16] <xmint9> hello.. good afternoon evryone..
[13:16] <stef_k> hi
[13:16] <xmint9> :)
[13:17] <jpsiyu> good evening:-D
[13:17] <xmint9> im on searching for a game kind like a gomoku, is it exist one for linux..?
[13:17] <stef_k> good evening:-D <- to you to
[13:17] <xmint9> thanks before...
[13:18] <xmint9> ;)
[13:18] <j_ayen_green> Did a pecl install apc, and it ran clean, but then I'm supposed to service php5-fpm (or php-fpm) restart, but its not present?
[13:19] <OerHeks> xmint9, gomoku does exist in softwarecentre.
[13:20] <j_ayen_green> can anyone point me to clean instructions for installing apc on ubuntu 10.04 / php 5.2 ?
[13:20] <OerHeks> xmint9, so you didn't even seach for it ?
[13:21] <MonkeyDust> j_ayen_green  is this useful http://www.electrictoolbox.com/install-apc-php-linux/
[13:23] <klj613> how do i generate a public key from my private key? via CLI
[13:24] <namelezz> xmint9, gomoku.app, bovo and gridlock... all of them in the software center
[13:24] <stef_k> klj613, check under your ~/ .ssh folder cat id_rsa.pub
[13:24] <OerHeks> klj613, when you generate keys, you make public & private at the same time. not afterwards.
[13:24] <tking> hi guys i did gksudo nautilus /usr/share/unity/places on 12.04 trying to remove lense
[13:24] <tking> and i gotCould not find "/usr/share/unity/places".
[13:25] <j_ayen_green> MonkeyDust: no, php5-dev won't install either
[13:25] <OerHeks> tking,  .../places is a folder, not a file
[13:25] <tking> OerHeks, i want to go there and remove it
[13:26] <tking> following oline instruction to remove Rotten Tomatoes lens
[13:27] <klj613> stef_k, OerHeks, yes. but what if after a few months, the you cant find the .pub? you know the password to the private key, i would assume you can generate the public key from the private one?
[13:27] <oCean> klj613, OerHeks sure you can generate pub from existing priv key:  next command will re-create your id_rsa.pub   ssh-keygen -f ~/.ssh/id_rsa -y > ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub
[13:27] <klj613> oCean, thanks
[13:28] <dwakar> tking may be it doesn't exist
[13:28] <dwakar> try /usr/share/unity/lenses
[13:35] <j_ayen_green> so strange. I follow the directions and do a pecl install of apc, which seems to run clean http://pastebin.com/f3aWZwt8  but a find on apc.so comes up empty
[13:37] <DeLorean731> I'm trying to open up multiple instances or Tor on ubuntu 12.04... anyone have experience with doing that?
[13:37] <Guest27559> clear
[13:42] <BluesKaj> DeLorean731, running several pcs thru Tor from the same router ?
[13:42] <nilsonmorales> theres is a application like Adobe After Effects for ubuntu
[13:42] <marco> Hi! Where is the list of icons in the unity launcher stored/persisted?
[13:43] <nilsonmorales> theres is a application like Adobe After Effects for ubuntu?
[13:43] <marco> nilsonmorales: there are some video editors for ubuntun, if that is your question
[13:46] <bwat47> macro: if you change the icon of the corresponding .desktop file in /usr/share/applications it should change the icon that shows in the launcher/dash
[13:47] <nilsonmorales> tnx marco
[13:47] <nilsonmorales> a friend from brasil ask me but i dont see anymore in the channel
[13:47] <nilsonmorales> tnx anyway
[13:48] <marco> nilsonmorales: just take a brief look on the software center. Look for video editors
[13:48] <nilsonmorales> sure copy
[13:54] <Relondo> So, I used "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop" to install XFCE. How do I actually switch to XFCE?
[13:58] <j_ayen_green> I have php5-dev pinned for Karmic, but am getting Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ karmic/main php5-dev 5.2.10.dfsg.1-2ubuntu6
[13:58] <j_ayen_green>   404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80] when trying to install it
[13:58] <Chad__> Relondo: You switch to it in the login screen
[13:58] <Guest62355> hola alguna persona de españa?
[13:58] <Pici> !es | Guest62355
[13:58] <Relondo> Chad___: Thanks
[14:01] <j_ayen_green> karmic distros aren't there anymore??
[14:01] <BluesKaj> !karmic
[14:04] <IdleOne> !eolupgrade | j_ayen_green
[14:04] <IdleOne> j_ayen_green: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[14:14] <mikehaas763> Hi. I am going to begin developing an open source program from an idea I have. My focus in the beginning is having it for Ubuntu/Linux distros. However, if it takes off I would like to be able to release windows/mac os x versions. Java is not an option and is actually THE reason I am developing this program because java has too many issues (performance mostly) on linux unless you have a blazing fast machine. What are some
[14:14] <mikehaas763> good language/gui kit combos to use?
[14:15] <bwat47> qt
[14:15] <mikehaas763> While keeping in mind future cross compatibility.. but without having the user install third party tools
[14:16] <bwat47> Qt is pretty good cross platform, look at clementine for an example cross platform qt app
[14:17] <bwat47> runs on linux/windows/osx
[14:17] <habib> hey everyone. when i'm plugging in headphones it doesn't work
[14:17] <mikehaas763> bwat47: Thanks, I'll take a look
[14:17] <carl__> I was hoping someone could answer a question.
[14:18] <carl__> I have a package that I am trying to install openscad
[14:18] <bekks> Without asking the question, impossible :)
[14:19] <mikehaas763> bwat47: Is Qt decently snappy/fast so long as it is coded well?
[14:19] <bwat47> yeah
[14:19] <carl__> I keep getting a dependance problem. thing is I show that a newer version of the package is already installed. Is there a way to force the openscad to install?
[14:19] <bwat47> ubuntu one client uses qt, unity 2d uses it
[14:20] <bekks> carl__: I dont think there is a way to break dependencies forcibly.
[14:20] <bwat47> carl__:  you could try using the 'force version' option in synaptic  (if u have synaptic installed)
[14:20] <habib> why headphones just doesn't work?
[14:21] <aboudreault> damn... the sleep mode works so bad in precise :(
[14:21] <habib> headphones is ok but when i'm plugging it in it just doesn't give sound
[14:21] <mikehaas763> bwat47: Ah ok cool. What language would you recommend? I love OO programming so maybe C++. It mentions C++ on the website.
[14:21] <bwat47> mikehaas763: yeah, qt is c++ focused.
[14:21] <m0tte> hi - if i start without X, it is possible to get two differnt tty in dual-monitor support instead of cloning? thx
[14:22] <craigbass1976> http://www.gaggl.com/2012/05/install-gimp-2-8-on-ubuntu-12-04/  Can anyone tell me why this might be a bad idea?  I'd really love ot have GIMP running in a single window, and 2.8 is when that finally happens
[14:22] <bwat47> habib: they should generally just work, if they don't sometimes you have to use some kind of little workaround, depends on computer model. have you tried googling your modem + headphones don't work etc..?
[14:23] <bwat47> *model
[14:23] <MonkeyDust> craigbass1976  it would be a PPA and a PPA is not officially supported
[14:23] <MonkeyDust> craigbass1976  in other words: use at own risk
[14:23] <Osmodivs> Everytime i try to open VLC my computer goes back to the login screen, What the hell is wrong here? I already did a ubuntu-bug report, but I want to know if this is a known issue
[14:23] <mikehaas763> craigbass1976: There really isn't anything "bad" about doing that. It's just that it's a not official PPA so it's not supported and the PPA could even be taken offline but who cares once you have it installed
[14:24] <bwat47> Osmodivs: its not an issue I've seen personally
[14:25] <bwat47> craigbass1976: it works fine for me, but as mentioned above use at your own risk :)
[14:26] <Osmodivs> bwat47: Is there a way to fix this?
[14:28] <j_ayen_green> IdleOne: I'm running 10.04, but I'm running 5.2 on it because several of the sites are Drupal 6, hence Karmic packages for php
[14:29] <craigbass1976> MonkeyDust, is there no reference now to the repository I added?  I don't see it in /etc/apt-sources.list
[14:30] <habib> bwat47 thing is that sound is ok. when it's not through headphones it plays ok. and phones with other device work good but when i plug it into my ubuntu netbook sound just stops
[14:31] <dr_willis> see sources.list.d/  craigbass1976
[14:32] <craigbass1976> dr_willis, Aha...
[14:32] <Osmodivs> Where can I find extra information of the system crash so I can file a bug report in LAUNCHPAD?
[14:32] <j_ayen_green> so if karmic is removed from the archives, does that mean 5.2 is gone?
[14:32] <j_ayen_green> php 5.2
[14:33] <craigbass1976> MonkeyDust, if I remove this unofficial repo from /etc/apt/sources.list.d, and then do an update, will I then be back on GIMP 2.6 instead of the 2.8 I added the repo for?
[14:34] <MonkeyDust> craigbass1976  type info gimp to know what's in the repos -- don't mix ubuntu versions, unless you like to repair your system without support from the channel
[14:34] <antukin> craigbass1976: remove current, update and then install it
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> whats more lightweight for an old laptop lubuntu or xubuntu?
[14:35] <padhu> I installed flux box. My cairo-dock displays with black background. How can i change this?
[14:36] <DamienCassou> hi
[14:37] <DamienCassou> what is the software that facilitates the creation of programming projects. I heard something exists that creates the folder hierarchy and put default files inside
[14:37] <MonkeyDust> padhu  i guess cairo depends on compiz, which is not used in fluxbox
[14:37] <dr_willis> !ppa-purge
[14:37] <MonkeyDust> DamienCassou  it's called quickly
[14:37] <Osmodivs> Where can I find extra information of the system crash so I can file a bug report in LAUNCHPAD?
[14:37] <DamienCassou> MonkeyDust: yeah, that's it. Thank you
[14:37] <IdleOne> DamienCassou: it is called Quickly check in #ubuntu-app-devel for more help
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> whats more lightweight for an older laptop: lubuntu or xubuntu or gnome-classic?
[14:38] <dr_willis> lotuspsychje: lubuntu
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> dr_willis: tnx
[14:38] <DamienCassou> looks like quickly is dedicated to Ubuntu. I thought it was something more general
[14:39] <DamienCassou> but I think this was the software I had in mind, thanks
[14:39] <dr_willis> lotuspsychje:  only thing lighter would be just a window manager. ;)
[14:39] <lotuspsychje> dr_willis: any sugestion for a lighter window manager for lubuntu?
[14:39] <antukin> openbox
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> !info openbox
[14:40] <dr_willis> !info jwm
[14:40] <MonkeyDust> lotuspsychje  jwm
[14:40] <MonkeyDust> dr_willis  was faster :)
[14:40] <dr_willis> jwm is about as light as it gets
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> dr_willis: can jwm run firefox or chrome?
[14:40] <padhu> okey i will try with wbar
[14:40] <douglas> Hello all! Please, how do I get the gnome classic available? I can't get used with this desktop with no taskbar...
[14:41] <MonkeyDust> lotuspsychje  sure, the windows are just very basic
[14:41] <dr_willis> lotuspsychje:  you dont need a wm to run those... ;)
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> monkeyDust: ok cool tnx
[14:41] <dr_willis> but its handy
[14:41] <antukin> just need an X session
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> lemme try jwm on lubuntu
[14:41] <tesserakt> If I install ubuntu server, will it be easy to install to install a desktop environment later on if I need it? for example if I install the xfce4 package on the ubuntu server later on, will it behave just like xubuntu?
[14:42] <antukin> if you have lubuntu why add more weight?  jwm is just redundant
[14:43] <craigbass1976> tesserakt, It should
[14:44] <tesserakt> craigbass1976: good, thanks
[14:44] <sam1967> in system monitor i have 9 zombie sh processes . any idea why ?
[14:44] <hw_junkie> exit
[14:47] <zixxy> douglas, 'sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback' log out, click the Ubuntu icon by the username box and choose it from there.
[14:48] <captainfurious> how can i send mail at the command line with my gmail account
[14:50] <sam1967> in system monitor i have 9 zombie sh processes . any idea why ?
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> dr_willis: i forgot can jwm be run on ubuntu too instead of unity3D?
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> oops
[14:54] <geirha> sam1967: Some process has spawned 9 sh processes, but has not waited for them yet. The processes are dead, they don't use any resources.
[14:54] <igor_> hi
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> antukin: would jwm run on ubuntu instead of untiy3D?
[14:55] <sam1967> geirha : what could have spawned them ?
[14:56] <geirha> sam1967: Check their parent process ids (ppid)
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> !info jwm
[14:59] <geirha> sam1967: Just check the system monitor, it doesn't appear to list ppid, but View -> Dependancies list them in a tree view, so you can see which process is parent of those processes
[14:59] <geirha> sam1967: *Just checked
[14:59] <pigeons> how to disable case sensitivity of username for pam?
[15:00] <grozavpaul> is there a good tutorial about how to create a new X session for each user that connects with VNC?
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> !vnc
[15:00] <sysop7> Does anyone know if 12.04 supports Thunderbolt with a simple VGA output dongle on a Macbook Pro 2001?
[15:00] <STK74> hello
[15:00] <geirha> grozavpaul: I'd consider FreeNX or x2go rather than vnc
[15:01] <ikonia> sysop7: I'd put money on "no"
[15:01] <MonkeyDust> lotuspsychje  just tried jwm --replace, didn't work
[15:01] <sysop7> ikonia: Thanks...but not what I was hoping to hear.
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: jwm on ubuntu doesnt work?
[15:01] <grozavpaul> geirha: thanks, let me take a look
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: screenshots of jwm looks cool, reminds me of enlightment years ago :p
[15:04] <liher> Hola, mi ordenador se cuelga y se queda bloqueado, alguien conoce algun programa que detecte errores de hardware?
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> !es | liher
[15:07] <ClientAlive> I need to learn something about what jockey-gtk does. If a particular proprietary driver is not showing up in additional drivers, and does not get "activated" through it, does that mean it won't "work"?
[15:07] <dr3mro> hello , I am using ubuntu os since april 09 with a fujitsu siemens amilo pi 1505  .. but 2 days a go i have bought a Dell XPS L502X with win7 .. I want to keep windows 7 as it is an original copy and I have paid for it so i don't want to lose it any way .. I have tared my home and my root into two tar.gz archives and i want to migrate my install to the new machine i have the knowledge to untar the archives into sda3 in the new machine but what next ? i don'
[15:07] <dr3mro> t want to lose dell recovery partition and i can't do ordinary install via live cd as i am using now mobile broadband with a very low speed and high price :) thanks any way !
[15:07] <bobbyyu> I got a 500 Internal Server error when trying to run a Perl script. I want to know where I can find the server error log. I am running Apache HTTPd
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> ClientAlive:it means the driver is not installed
[15:08] <MA111> Greetings, I'm trying to install Nvidia driver from a CD, I keep getting this error, not matter what I try, I did re-install 12.04 now, just to get a clean start. here's the error : http://paste.ubuntu.com/1090018/
[15:08] <Zentaur> hello
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> MA111:did you try to install nvidia-current?
[15:09] <Zentaur> could anybody recommend me a netbook that works with ubuntu
[15:09] <codingman> Zentuar: any i would think
[15:09] <Need2Grow> zentaur hit Alt-Z to summon the invoker
[15:09] <ClientAlive> lotuspsychje: ok, what does one do if the driver refuses to show up in jockey but all the files for it appear in /lib/firmware
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> Zentaur: im on aspire ONE with ubuntu precise 64bit running flawsless
[15:09] <ClientAlive> ?
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> Zentaur: you can always try ##hardware channel too
[15:10] <codingman> MA111: install the driver from the website
[15:10] <MA111> codingman: same problem
[15:10] <ryant5000> is there any way to run linux kernel 3.4 or above in AWS on ubuntu?
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> !info nvidia-current | MA111
[15:10] <MA111> lotuspsychje: nvidia current, no, I'm not sure if it matters, but, this is a specialized type of card
[15:11] <LoT> ryant5000: AWS being Amazon Web Services?
[15:11] <Zentaur> I mean almost all have intel gma XXXX and i saw lots of bad comments about it
[15:11] <ryant5000> LoT: yep
[15:11] <LoT> ryant5000: i'd ask Amazon Web Services, they're the ones that govern VM/instance kernels
[15:11] <codingman> MA111: sure you got the right drivers?
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> Zentaur: precise will run fine on most new netbooks
[15:11] <Zentaur> i need 3d acceration just for googleearth or small games
[15:11] <MA111> codingman: yes, its the CD that came with the card
[15:11] <MA111> Here's the lspci :  VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G98 [Quadro NVS 450] (rev a1)
[15:12] <Zentaur> lotuspsychje, wich graphics card has yous aspire one?
[15:12] <codingman> MA111: the error you gave us seems to be a kernel error
[15:12] <ryant5000> LoT: ah; i did ask them, and they told me i had to ask the AMI maintainers
[15:12] <LoT> ryant5000: then you have to ask them how to contact them, the AMI's are the images used on the EC2 instances.
[15:12] <MA111> codingman: I see, I'm looking for the best way to install the kernerl-headers and source
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> Zentaur: VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Wrestler [Radeon HD 6250]
[15:13] <LoT> ryant5000: typically i dont think those images update kernels
[15:13] <ClientAlive> what does one do if the driver refuses to show up in jockey but all the files for it appear in /lib/firmware ?
[15:13] <codingman> MA111: try the software center
[15:13] <dr3mro> hello , I am using ubuntu os since april 09 with a fujitsu siemens amilo pi 1505  .. but 2 days a go i have bought a Dell XPS L502X with win7 .. I want to keep windows 7 as it is an original copy and I have paid for it so i don't want to lose it any way .. I have tared my home and my root into two tar.gz archives and i want to migrate my install to the new machine i have the knowledge to untar the archives into sda3 in the new machine but what next ? i don'
[15:13] <dr3mro> t want to lose dell recovery partition and i can't do ordinary install via live cd as i am using now mobile broadband with a very low speed and high price :) thanks any way !
[15:13] <ryant5000> LoT: right, i'm using the Canonical AMIs; i'm not totally clear on how kernel deployment happens
[15:13] <codingman> MA111: or synaptics
[15:14] <ryant5000> LoT: it looks like there's a way using pv-grub to change the kernel at boot time
[15:14] <MA111> codingman: I'm looking for synaptics in apt, but cannot find the package manager
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> Zentaur: if you install an ssd hd inside the netbook, it will be even faster
[15:15] <codingman> MA111: open the software center
[15:15] <MA111> codingman: OK
[15:15] <codingman> synaptics is not installed originally
[15:15] <codingman> !nickspam | io3
[15:16] <Zentaur> is it a new aspire one? I need a netbook to travel but i want only ubuntu on it :)
[15:16] <BluesKaj> MA111, synaptic can be installed from the terminal , sudo apt-get install synaptic
[15:16] <MA111> BluesKaj: I'm installing it now
[15:16] <lotuspsychje> Zentaur: yes its few months old mate, 2gig ram 500g hd, damn fast on ubuntu
[15:16] <antonis> Hello I have a problem.. I installed a compiled kernel in ubuntu 12.04 (exton I think) but I decided to remove it and now I am not able to start x
[15:16] <MA111> codingman: should I just look for "Kernel" once synaptic is installed ?
[15:17] <antonis> It because of my graphics card.. There are no drivers and I don't know what to do :\
[15:17] <codingman> MA111:kernel-source
[15:17] <codingman> i guess
[15:17] <codingman> MA111: also do the upgrade and update process
[15:17] <sam1967> geirha : how do i find the ppid ?
[15:18] <MA111> codingman: yes, did that first thing
[15:19] <codingman> oh ok
[15:19] <Zentaur> mm interesting... and the battery life? how many cells?
[15:19] <jiffe98> I'm trying to install ubuntu on a supermicro raid device which I think uses software raid, when I go through the ubuntu 12.04 install I choose guided - use entire disk, but then it tries to setup a grub boot loader on /dev/mapper and fails to do so
[15:20] <{g}> I want to clone my ubuntu partition so i have one running system in the old state and one i can play around with. so i can dual boot into both. is it a good idea to just create a partition of the sames size and then do dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/dev/sda2?
[15:20] <lotuspsychje> Zentaur: ubuntu says 5 hours remaining battery, just 1 cell came by default
[15:20]  * Need2Grow waves..
[15:21] <Need2Grow> ubuntu is zulu
[15:21] <Dr_Willis> {g}:  the use of UUIDs may mess things up. You could clone the partion to a file and play with it in virtualbox perhaps.
[15:21] <codingman> lotusspychje: WOW! i cell...
[15:21] <{g}> Dr_Willis: i would like to dual boot the both partitions. yeah, uuids might mess it up. i always hated uuids.
[15:22] <Dr_Willis> {g}:  untill youve spent several hrs fighting around issues that UUIDs fix....
[15:22] <antonis> I did install a compiled kernel (the latest) and downloaded a script from NVIDIA for the latest nvidia drivers. I uninstalled the kernel and reversed back to generick and also removed (or I believe I did) the drivers I downloaded from NVIDIA but now I am not able to start x... I am currently in console mode with irssi. when I try startx it tells me that I have different kernel and driver versions of nvidia or something like that. If any
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> codingman: i mean 1 battery came along
[15:22] <{g}> Dr_Willis: for example what?
[15:22] <MA111> OK. so after installing the kernel-source pacake, via syaptic, still ,sadly, the same error
[15:23] <Dr_Willis> !uuid
[15:23] <MA111> *synaptic
[15:23] <antonis> when I try startx it says "api mismatch: the nvidia kernel module has version 295.40 but this nvidia driver component has version 295.49."
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> Zentaur: the only thing i had to do was set bios to 'network boot:ON' to prevent freezing ubuntu (win7 default Os)
[15:26] <MA111> Could this be the probelm ?  "source -> /build/buildd/linux-3.2.0" this link under "/usr/src/linux-headers-3.2.0-23-generic" points to a location that does not exisit (the color of the link is red)
[15:28] <ganster> hi all
[15:28] <Zentaur> and what would you say about the intel gma xxxxxx? do you think i could get to have 3d acceleration?
[15:29] <Zentaur> i read that the gma 3600 has no support for linux
[15:29] <ClientAlive> I have a few very important questions and I pray that someone will take notice
[15:29] <ClientAlive> what would you do if you spent 3 full days and nights, doing nothing else but trying to get your wireless card working in ubuntu? What would you do if you spent 3 full days and nights looking for help on the issue and not finding it? what would you do? what would you do when your computer is unuseable for 3 days and you don't want to suffer windows again?  Gonna do that to me too?)
[15:31] <Dr_Willis> If you want support getting the card working. you need to state so. not ramble on.
[15:31] <ClientAlive> the card works I have NO $ No $. I need this computer - I have to have it working I take online college courses
[15:31] <meowsus> I'm running Lubuntu 11.10. When I'm listening to MP3s out of my speakers, everything sounds fine. If I plug my headphones into the back audio connection, everything is fine. When I plug my headphones into the front audio panel everything is insanely garbled. This is only for any compressed audio (mp3, youtube, etc) but Wavs and Flac play fine. Does anyone know how I can start to troubleshoot this?
[15:31] <ClientAlive> I have been
[15:31] <ganster> Dr_Willis,  howcan i join the xchat in other language like francais,espaniola,deutch,swahili,zulu,
[15:31] <ClientAlive> for three dayssssss
[15:31] <ClientAlive> three daysssssw
[15:31] <Dr_Willis> You c asked 'what would you do'......
[15:31] <ClientAlive> 5 installs
[15:32] <IdleOne> ClientAlive: Calm yourself please
[15:32] <ClientAlive> scroll up
[15:32] <Dr_Willis> ganster:  each ubuntu channel has a #ubuntu-XX where xx - some code for each language.
[15:32] <Dr_Willis> !es
[15:32] <lotuspsychje> Zentaur: no intel gma here
[15:32] <ClientAlive> I'm gonna staep away for a moment
[15:32] <Dr_Willis> ganster:  fr is french, not sure about others.
[15:32] <Bronze> ClientAlive: there are many channels that have clean language policies and many that do not. There nothing wrong with them kicking you for abusing language in a channel with a clean language policy
[15:32] <ClientAlive> I'm sorry but this is completely ludacris
[15:32] <zixxy> ganster, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[15:32] <Dr_Willis> ClientAlive:  yes.. you are being Ludacris.
[15:33] <ClientAlive> thanks Dr. very helpful - now try putting yourself in my shoes
[15:33] <IdleOne> Dr_Willis: No need to make it worse. let him step away and collect himself.
[15:33] <IdleOne> ClientAlive: Please drop it. take a break and come back when things are clearer :)
[15:34] <ClientAlive> I have appologized and I was and am sincere about that. I'll take a break and come back but I desparetely need someone to help me with my issue.
[15:34] <Bronze> ClientAlive "Ludicrous" is the word that means silly. what you were using was the name of a rap artist
[15:35] <Dr_Willis> Bronze:  ;P
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> isnt there like an ubuntu community creating innovations for society?
[15:36] <Bronze> ClientAlive: You cant get your wifi card to work?
[15:36] <ganster> zixxy, i have post my problem in mother language but non of em replies
[15:36] <Bronze> ClientAlive: Are you getting any error messages?
[15:37] <zixxy> ganster, I was giving you a handy list. I can't make people be there. ;)
[15:37] <Bronze> ClientAlive: what is the make and model of your card?
[15:37] <ClientAlive> Bronze: lol. Thank you man. Thanks
[15:37] <wols_> ganster: then pose your problem here as good as you can
[15:38] <Bronze> ClientAlive: have you looked up the card in google to see if it is on any of the linux supported  hardware lists?
[15:38] <sam1967> how do i find the ppid of a process ?
[15:38] <ikonia> ps
[15:38] <ikonia> sam1967: ps will show it
[15:38] <bazhang> sam1967, check top
[15:38] <kurtwp_> ps -ef | grep <process name>
[15:38] <ikonia> another good idea
[15:38] <ganster> wols_, i don know how to post it in english
[15:38] <ikonia> or top
[15:38] <lotuspsychje> !info htop | sam1967
[15:38] <bazhang> ClientAlive, is this  usb or pci wireless device
[15:39] <ClientAlive> Bronze: I can't get it to work. There's a lot to this story but I won't bother you to try to explain it all here. Suffice it to say I have done quite a bit of troubleshooting and believe I have narrowed things down. I'm on the last leg of the race and not sure how to get past this last hurdle.
[15:39] <ikonia> ClientAlive: do you want your wifi card to work yes/no ?
[15:39] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:39] <ganster> wols_, my English not  well understood if i post it over here
[15:39] <bazhang> ClientAlive, lsusb for usb, lspci for pci to paste.ubuntu.com if you want actual help
[15:39] <Bronze> We really need a web site that walks folks through these steps so that they get the basic help and info before they ask people for help. I wish I knew how to make it. I can make forms, but I don't know how to automate finding the info for them.
[15:39] <wols_> ganster: you can only try. your choice if you and to try for an answer
[15:39] <ClientAlive> I'm typing as fast as I can guys
[15:40] <lotuspsychje> ganster:an english error from /var/log could also help pastebin here
[15:40] <ikonia> Bronze: there are many websites that explain how to get help - however responding to peopels questions with actual answers rather than a pointless story is the first step
[15:40] <ganster> lotuspsychje, is that a commmand  /var/log
[15:40] <Bronze> ikonia: We need a !venting command for ubottu  :-)
[15:41] <oCean> Bronze: we need less offtopic comments in this channel
[15:41] <lotuspsychje> ganster: no they are logs of your ubuntu system, logging interesting stuff
[15:41] <lotuspsychje> !logs
[15:42] <ganster> no such a directory lotuspsychje
[15:42] <ClientAlive> I have the broadcom card in this lappy. It's the 4318 (rev 02). I install b43-firmware-installer (which installs b43-fwcutter as a dependency). Jockey (additional drivers) refuses to pick it up but I can see all the files unpacked in /lib/firmware. As far as I can tell the firmware installs but making an actual connection does not happen. My landlord's lappy connects to my same wireless connection on the router and his does fine.
[15:42]  * Bronze watches oCean quickly give people the help they need.
[15:42] <wols_> ganster: state your problem as best as you can. we will ask if we don't understand something
[15:42] <ikonia> ClientAlive: there is more to it than just firmware
[15:42] <ganster> fromm the terminal it tell me that  lotuspsychje
[15:42] <lotuspsychje> ganster: cd /var/log/
[15:42] <ikonia> ClientAlive: is the kernel module loaded sucessfully
[15:42] <lotuspsychje> ganster: try reading syslog.1
[15:43] <ClientAlive> Ikonia: there is? You mean like network-manager?
[15:43] <ikonia> ClientAlive: doest the card report available wireless etentions
[15:43] <ikonia> ClientAlive: no
[15:43] <ikonia> extensions (I meant to type)
[15:43] <jiffe98> I'm trying to install ubuntu on a supermicro raid device which I think uses software raid, when I go through the ubuntu 12.04 install I choose guided - use entire disk, but then it tries to setup a grub boot loader on /dev/mapper and fails to do so
[15:43] <ganster> lotuspsychje, :/var/log$
[15:43] <wols_> jiffe98: keep /boot on a non RAID device
[15:43] <k1l> ganster: where are you from? isnt there a channel for your mother-language?  else you could describe your problem here
[15:43] <ClientAlive> oh, no, see those things you mention are the things I don't know how to interpret. I can run the commands to list them, I know that, but not what it means when I see it.
[15:44] <jiffe98> wols_: do I need to set that up manually if I choose guided - use entire disk ?
[15:44] <ikonia> ClientAlive: right, so thats where you work with someone to walk through it
[15:44] <ikonia> ClientAlive: or read some of the documentation eg:
[15:44] <ikonia> !bcm | ClientAlive
[15:44] <ikonia> !broadcom | ClientAlive
[15:44] <ikonia> !wireless | ClientAlive
[15:44] <jiffe98> wols_: also I don't have any disks that aren't in raid
[15:44] <ganster> k1l, am fro brazil
[15:45] <wols_> jiffe98: you can make them
[15:45] <lotuspsychje> !fakeraid
[15:45] <wols_> lotuspsychje: he shouldn't use fakeraid in the first place
[15:45] <ClientAlive> ikonia: I was running fedora 16 up until 3 days ago (when I decided to come back to ubuntu) It was working fine with wireless and on the same connection to the router/ same wireless connection. I have, in the past, run ubuntu 10.10, 10.04 (starting with alpha) successfully with the wireless.
[15:46] <ikonia> ClientAlive: that has nothing to do with any of the comments I've just said
[15:46] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:46] <ikonia> ClientAlive: the sooner you read what people say to you and respond to the question/comment they ask rather than a story which has nothing to do with it, the quicker you'll move forward
[15:46] <wols_> ClientAlive: the links ikonia gave you guide you through the installation. if you have problems at any step, you can ask about them here, e.g. when there is some output or result of your action which isn't like it is in the howto
[15:47] <k1l> ganster: you have tried #ubuntu-br for getting help?
[15:47] <Fanshawe> Hello everyone. I'm in desperate need of help, on the verge of bricking this current install of Ubuntu, apparently. I can't write to var/cache, and can't find anyway to clear enough space on my filesystem to do -anything-.
[15:47] <ClientAlive> ikonia: thank you for your comments. If the documentation goes into much more detail than just steps to install then it would help but so far that is all i've seen.
[15:47] <randomDude> so i found out today that ubuntu desktop computers can be made to sleep on timeout period after the screen locks by using dconf-editor
[15:47] <ikonia> ClientAlive: if you follow the steps to install and verify they work fine, you should be fine, if it still doesn't work you can ask specific questions about the parts not working
[15:48] <ClientAlive> wols: I know the steps by heart. I've been doing them repeatedly so that second thing you say is where I'm at now.
[15:48] <wols_> Fanshawe: with what process do you want to write to /var/cache and why? and how much free space do you have?
[15:48] <ikonia> Fanshawe: why can't you write to /var/cache, out of disk space or permissions
[15:48] <ikonia> ClientAlive: ok, so I'll ask again
[15:48] <ikonia> ClientAlive: 1.) is the kernel module loaded
[15:48] <codingman> !details|randomDude
[15:48] <ikonia> ClientAlive: 2.) is the card reporting active wireless extensions when queried ?
[15:48] <ClientAlive> I described the situation earlier. There is no shorter way to describe it. That's what is going on.
[15:48] <Fanshawe> ikonia: out of disk space
[15:48] <ikonia> ClientAlive: I'm not asking you to describe the situation, I'm asking you specific questions.
[15:48] <randomDude> codingman: while i apreciate your desire to help, it is a bit misguided.
[15:49] <ikonia> Fanshawe: do you know where you disk space is being used up ?
[15:49] <Fanshawe> wols: my filesystem is full to the point where I literally can't run any program
[15:49] <ClientAlive> yes
[15:49] <codingman> randomDude: what is your problem
[15:49] <ikonia> Fanshawe: (can you pastebin the output of df -h please)
[15:49] <codingman> ?
[15:49] <ikonia> ClientAlive: yes to what ?
[15:49] <k1l> ganster: since you speak portuguese you could try the portuguese channel too: #ubuntu-pt
[15:49] <ClientAlive> I mean yes I understand but I don't know how to find out what you asked me
[15:49] <randomDude> codingman: for a start you would do well to differentiate between a statement and a question.
[15:49] <ClientAlive> is it with iwconfig?
[15:49] <Fanshawe> I'd love to pastebin it, but my browser isn't running.
[15:49] <ikonia> ClientAlive: right, so that's what you say "how do I find that out" rather than just telling stories
[15:50] <ikonia> ClientAlive: iwconfig should show the card and list it as supporting wireless extensions, yes
[15:50] <ClientAlive> ok, I'm sorry not so good communicator
[15:50] <codingman> randomDude: please state your question, not the rhetorical one.
[15:50] <wols_> Fanshawe: go into /var/log and "rm *.gz" (as root). deletes all old logs
[15:50] <randomDude> codingman: ok, why are you assuming i have a question?
[15:50] <wols_> Fanshawe: then check "df" again to see if you have a few bytes free now
[15:51] <Calliope> How do I auto mount an NVIDIA RAID-1 device on my Ubuntu System?
[15:51] <Fanshawe> wols_: that's a good idea, but I'd need to be talked through exactly how to do that?
[15:51] <bazhang> randomDude, this is a support channel only. chit chat in #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:51] <lotuspsychje> wols_:isnt there a gui package to delete old stuff too?
[15:51] <codingman> randomDude: if you do not have a question or problem, please do not flood such a buzy forums
[15:51] <wols_> lotuspsychje: no clue
[15:51] <ikonia> randomDude: if you want to discuss some ubuntu technical info you can try #ubuntu-discuss
[15:51] <codingman> *chat
[15:51] <PyroPeter> I'm using rxvt-unicode-256color on my desktop pc and want to enter german umlauts into a bash running on a Ubuntu 12.04 server (via ssh). bash seems to receive a different key than the one I'm pressing (ü) and displays the "(arg: 0)" prompt
[15:51] <wols_> Fanshawe: cd /var/log; sudo rm *.gz
[15:52] <ClientAlive> I see stuff but not sure what it means. I'm installing pastebinit so I can paste it
[15:52] <ikonia> wols_: clean /var/apt/cache ?
[15:52] <ikonia> (he can always re-cache later)
[15:52] <ikonia> that should get a chunk of space back to at least open a browser
[15:52] <Fanshawe> okay, done
[15:52] <wols_> Fanshawe: sudo apt-get clean
[15:53] <lotuspsychje> cleaning out firefox cache can do miracles too
[15:53] <ikonia> wols_: better/tidier, nice
[15:53] <wols_> lotuspsychje: by default, I think 50MB or so. not worth it :)
[15:53] <Fanshawe> wols_: sudo apt-get clean was the first thing I tried
[15:53] <Calliope> How do I auto mount an NVIDIA RAID-1 device on my Ubuntu System?
[15:53] <Eleth> Installed Ubuntu Precise in a chroot via debootstrap. Trying to boot it via PXE, kernel and initrd seem fine. It's hanging somewhere in upstart. Is there a way to debug upstart beyond --verbose on the kernel command line
[15:53] <Fanshawe> it simply doesn't seem to work, I assume I have no permissions?
[15:53] <wols_> Fanshawe: when you run "df -h" now, how much free space is shown?
[15:53] <ikonia> !fakeraid | Calliope
[15:53] <lotuspsychje> wols_depends what you do with firefox
[15:54] <wols_> Fanshawe: sudo. then you have the permissions for both, log deletion and apt-get clean
[15:54] <Fanshawe> on sda1, where Ubuntu is kept, 100% in use
[15:54] <Calliope> Thank you.  Bye
[15:54] <lotuspsychje> Fanshawe: do you use newgroups or something too?
[15:54] <ClientAlive> this paste does not show all the listings for some reason. there is "lo no wireless extensions" and there is "eth0 no wireless extensions" then there is this what came on the paste:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/1090086/
[15:54] <Fanshawe> newsgroups?
[15:55] <lotuspsychje> Fanshawe: cleaning out newsgroups headers can clean out a system aswell
[15:55] <ikonia> ClientAlive: well, the good news is that wlan0 is showing as wireless enabled
[15:55] <ikonia> ClientAlive: suggesting your card is available as a device for use
[15:55] <wols_> Fanshawe: you could od a localepurge (that deletes program messages in other languages you don't understand anyways, e.g. chinese or so). but localepurge is a package
[15:55] <ikonia> ClientAlive: which also suggests the kernel module is loaded, however you should check which kernel module is loaded for it
[15:55] <Fanshawe> the exact directory taking up the most space right now is var/lib/apt-xapian-index
[15:55] <ikonia> that seems odd
[15:56] <ClientAlive> ok
[15:56] <ikonia> the idex is filling up the disk
[15:56] <ikonia> index
[15:56] <wols_> Fanshawe: that#s a search engine. do you need that?
[15:56] <Fanshawe> as in the entirety of var/lib is taking up the majority of space
[15:56] <Fanshawe> no, I'll delete anything just to get the gears turning again
[15:56] <wols_> Fanshawe: what do you use that search engine for?
[15:57] <wols_> Fanshawe: and the question is not just what to delete but to make sure this situation doesn't happen again
[15:57] <Fanshawe> if I'm being honest? I have no idea what search engine that could be. I recently tried to download something via 'get_iplayer'? That's when this started.
[15:57] <wols_> Fanshawe: if we did it the first way, we simply told you "reinstall ubuntu" :)
[15:58] <wols_> Fanshawe: if you don't know I'd delete the big files inside. especially when they are very big which they have no reason to be (your /var/www should be even bigger then than xapian)
[15:58] <ClientAlive> results of "dmesg | grep b43 | pastebinit" and "lsmod | grep b43 | pastebinit" respectively: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1090093/   and   http://paste.ubuntu.com/1090094/
[15:59] <lotuspsychje> Fanshawe: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1617639
[15:59] <Fanshawe> I can't run my browser at the moment
[15:59] <Dr_Willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/59546/what-kind-of-harm-there-is-from-removing-purging-package-apt-xapian-index
[16:00] <ClientAlive> in that first paste (the one for dmesg) the second line contains "(core revision 9)" but my card is "(rev 02)"
[16:00] <ClientAlive> is that a problem?
[16:01] <Fanshawe> I can't even run synaptic at the moment, there's no space to copy my authorisation file.
[16:01] <Fanshawe> As in, my admin programs are locked.
[16:02] <Dr_Willis> time to resort to the console and the cli tools perhaps.
[16:02] <ClientAlive> ikonia: results of "dmesg | grep b43 | pastebinit" and "lsmod | grep b43 | pastebinit" respectively: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1090093/   and   http://paste.ubuntu.com/1090094/
[16:03] <TuxyThePenguin> Tuxy Is Ready for support
[16:03] <Fanshawe> well, I tried to delete the files in apt-xapian-index
[16:03] <wols_> Fanshawe: go to a console and run everything as root: root still has some diskspace to use
[16:03] <wols_> Fanshawe: and apt-get purge you can only run as root anyways
[16:04] <TuxyThePenguin> Fanshawe TuxyThePenguin is here to help aswell
[16:04] <wols_> Fanshawe: apt-get purge apt-xapian-index
[16:05] <Fanshawe> Alright, trying your suggestions
[16:05] <Fanshawe> Ah! It worked!
[16:05] <MadsRC> Could somebody help me with apache2 on a ubuntu 12.04 server? I want the domain name net42.no-ip.org to display one of my virtual hosts in apache, and I've pointed the domain name to my IP, and opened port 80. But If I add the line " ServerName net42.no-ip.org " to the host file in my apache site, and restart the apache service I get the "Could not determine the FQDN, using localhost instead" and I can't reach the page from the URL
[16:05] <Fanshawe> now if I can run sudo apt-get clean I may be where I started
[16:07] <Fanshawe> well I'm actually free to run programs again, which is nice, and I now have access to synaptic
[16:07] <Fanshawe> thank you for your help, all
[16:07] <TuxyThePenguin> can anyone help me reconfigure BURG bootloader in comandline
[16:07] <Fanshawe> I'm open to any further suggestions to stop this weirdness happening again, though
[16:08] <wols_> MadsRC: you must make sure that domainname also shows up in your resolver, eg. put it in /etc/hosts
[16:08] <wols_> MadsRC: but the better solution is to use a virtual host which you set up in /etc/apache2/sites-available/
[16:08] <wols_> Fanshawe: uninstall xapian
[16:08] <MadsRC> I've got a virtual host set up in the sites-available folder
[16:08] <wols_> !pm TuxyThePenguin
[16:09] <MadsRC> and configured the site file there with the ServerName variable
[16:09] <lajosward> Hello
[16:09] <wols_> TuxyThePenguin: ask in the channel if you have a ubuntu problem
[16:09] <ClientAlive> someone was helping me a minute ago but I don't know if they had to leave Is there someone?
[16:09] <TuxyThePenguin> ClientAlive what is your problem
[16:10] <ClientAlive> broadcom wireless
[16:10] <Fanshawe> How do I remove xapian if it's connected to the software center and such?
[16:10] <ClientAlive> I don't know how to interpret the output of some commands and it isn't going according to online instructions
[16:12] <L3top> ClientAlive: I assume you are following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[16:14] <mala> hello
[16:15] <mala> i'm trying to use selinux at ubuntu
[16:15] <ClientAlive> L3top: I am here but someone chatted with me in a pm window/thingy
[16:15] <mala> can someone help?
[16:15] <ClientAlive> by now I know the steps by heart (trust me)
[16:15] <melkor> New dell with a perc card, ubuntu finds the hard drives. After I remove the card ubuntu doesn't find the sata drives.
[16:16] <mala> anyone know selinux here?
[16:16] <Dr_Willis> 'perc card' ?
[16:17] <bazhang> mala, whats the exact question about selinux
[16:17] <L3top> This is why pm solutions arent advised. I have no idea what you guys have done already.
[16:17] <L3top> Dr_Willis: it is a HW RAID card
[16:17] <LordOfTime> L3top: and this is why !privmsg exists :p
[16:17] <genii-around> melkor: Probably because that card is to set up the hardware raid and the drives get re-ordered when you remove it ( or the raid array dissolves )
[16:17] <ubernewb> what would be the easiest way to move a ubuntu install to another disk? would rsync, boot rescue cd, chroot, reinstall grub work?
[16:17] <bazhang> !selinux | mala
[16:18] <geirha> sam1967: Sorry, was away. Did you figure it out? I tried to explain how to find it in the system monitor earlier.
[16:18] <Dr_Willis> ubernewb:  you can  clone one hd to another with dd. or other tools
[16:18] <genii-around> melkor: Is there some reason you are removing the PERC controller?
[16:18] <ubernewb> Dr_Willis, but has different sizes and most of the HDD is free, so i thought rsync would do, too
[16:19] <Dr_Willis> ubernewb:  i use gparted to resize, or repartion the unallocated space afterwards
[16:19] <Dr_Willis> ubernewb:  clonezilla may be a better tool for your needs
[16:19] <ubernewb> Dr_Willis, good idea
[16:19] <ubernewb> Dr_Willis, clonezilla sounds good, never tested it but will give it a try
[16:20] <mala> ubottu: do you prefer apparmor or selinux?
[16:20] <bazhang> mala, did you read the apparmor link from the bot?
[16:20] <xubuntu_> how do i remove BURG anyone
[16:20] <bazhang> xubuntu_, how was it installed
[16:21] <xubuntu_> via the terminal
[16:21] <bazhang> !info burg | xubuntu_
[16:21] <Dr_Willis> xubuntu_:  how did you install burg?
[16:21] <Dr_Willis> burg replaces grub i belive.. so reinstall grub.
[16:21] <bazhang> xubuntu_, its not in the repos, so how exactly did you do that
[16:21] <xubuntu_> Dr_Willis how?
[16:22] <Dr_Willis> xubuntu_:  via the package manager tools
[16:22] <Dr_Willis> sudo apt-get install grub  (or grub-pc)
[16:22] <ubernewb> Dr_Willis, thank you, will go and try now
[16:22] <xubuntu_> Dr_willis wil give a go\
[16:23] <Dr_Willis> Id hope 'install burg guide' you followed xubuntu_  have info on how to get back to 'normal'
[16:23] <mala> bazhang: no , i will read now
[16:23] <mala> bazhang: thanks
[16:23] <Fanshawe> Hello again everyone. I'm afraid I've still only got a worrying ~30mb free, but it is enough to run most of what I want. Except Firefox now isn't working. I'm getting an 'already running' error, despite finding nothing in the processes and restarting my computer. How do I get Firefox running again?
[16:23] <Fanshawe> Even removing and reinstalling the package didn't seem to work.
[16:24] <Dr_Willis> removeing/reinstalling a package is sort of a 'windows mindset'
[16:24] <Dr_Willis> Unless you messed with the firefox system files.
[16:24] <deww> might be a lock file somewhere
[16:25] <Fanshawe> If by 'messed with' you mean 'desperately deleted trying to get some space' then... yeah. (Oops).
[16:25] <Dr_Willis> Amazing how browsers always have to run in such a  complex way that they need lock files and other things. ;)
[16:25] <Dr_Willis> Fanshawe:  hard telling whats going on if you have just been deleting system files.
[16:25] <DWSR> Anyone that can help me with installing FGLRX? I tried using the `Additional Drivers` applet and it just spits out an error that I can make heads or tails of. I can pastebin /var/log/jockey.log
[16:25] <xubuntu_> how do i remove a package?
[16:25] <taime1> i have a laptop that i installed 11.04 on. to boot the live usb, i had to use the nouveau.modeset=0 option. However, now that the system is installed (and using grub 1.99), the nouveau.modeset=0 option simply causes this error: unexpected exit with status 0x0009. Every websitei read says that this option should defeat that very error message, so why does it invoke it on my system?
[16:26] <Dr_Willis> xubuntu_:  package manager tools. such as synaptic or  software center, or sudo apt-get remove packagename
[16:26] <ClientAlive> xubuntu: sudo apt-get remove <package name>
[16:26] <ClientAlive> that's the way to do it on the command line
[16:26] <melkor> It appeas that libre office has a new release, is there a ppa so that I can have the latest released version?
[16:26] <Dr_Willis> !ppa
[16:26] <LordOfTime> Dr_Willis: evil ninja :/
[16:27] <ClientAlive> oh, sorry Dr_Willis I didn't see you were helping him. My bad.
[16:28] <Dr_Willis> its sort of scary when peopel are messing with BURG and dont understand the basics of the package manager system. :)
[16:28] <GeForce88> ubuntu 12.04 - i'm trying to triple boot my system ( which i used to do before a fresh install of 7) now grub only detects ubuntu and 7. it does not see the xp install(which is on the same physical disk as ubuntu) . if i remove the windows 7 drive, and re run update-grub the cfg still doesn't detect the xp install, and chooses 7, in which case with that drive unhook, fails.. i need to manually edit the grub bootloader maybe to force it to detect
[16:28] <GeForce88>  xp ?
[16:28] <Dr_Willis> GeForce88:  you could make a custom entry for the xp install and put it in /etc/grub.d/40_custom
[16:29] <ClientAlive> again, someone was helping me but I'm not sure where they went. Anyone else (I need to get this working like I need to breath).
[16:29] <Fanshawe> well, it took a bit of silliness, but a total deletion of the directory and a reinstall has it running again, albeit from its right-out-of-the-box state
[16:29] <Fanshawe> Thank you all again for your help
[16:30] <Dr_Willis> deletion of wht directory?
[16:30] <Fanshawe> .mozilla in my home directory
[16:30] <ClientAlive> apparently they left in the middle (the person's name is no longer listed as being logged on).
[16:31] <ClientAlive> I guess people think it's funny. I don't know anymore.
[16:31] <Dr_Willis> helpers have real lifes. so often they have to leave.
[16:31] <LordOfTime> ^
[16:32] <DWSR> ClientAlive: Additionally, people have internet or power failures. Most likely they didn´t leave through any malicious intent, though if you are behaving like this, perhaps they simply stopped wanting to help you
[16:32] <ClientAlive> yes but he never said a word and I keep investing time to explain the same thing over and over and not getting ahead with the computer problem
[16:33] <ClientAlive> DWSR: What am I supposed to do?
[16:33] <DWSR> If you need support on a deadline, get commercial support from Canonnical.
[16:33] <Dr_Willis> its also possible ClientAlive  that if you connected via wired network and did a 'sudo apt-get update''sudo apt-get upgrade' that there may be some fixed packages/kernel that solve the issue IF its a known bug. You mentioned the card worked in earlier releases. but not the latest one.
[16:33] <an0n> In a compaq notebook with 1 gb of ram and a radeon xpress 200m which would be more appropriate to install? Windows xp dual boot with slackware (or freeBSD) or install Ubuntu 12.04 LTS around hd?
[16:34] <Dr_Willis> an0n:  totally depends on the task you want to do. since BSD is not Linux.
[16:34] <pseudosudo> Hi anyone available here?
[16:34] <grozavpaul> geirha: thanks, NXServer works now
[16:35] <Dr_Willis> 200m is a very low end video card.  so Lubuntu May give better preformacen an0n
[16:35] <ClientAlive> Dr_Willis: ok. I did that before but never know. Perhaps something just came down the pipe.
[16:35] <justin_> pseudosudo, hi
[16:35] <melkor> Where can I edit my software sources?
[16:35] <an0n> Dr_Willis: programming
[16:35] <pseudosudo> hey justin_, I have a question about a situation i'm in
[16:35] <IdleOne> melkor: /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:35] <xangua> melkor: open Software Center, Edit, Sources
[16:36] <IdleOne> pseudosudo: just ask it.
[16:36] <melkor> Thanks I would prefer not to edit /etc/apt/sources manually.
[16:39] <ClientAlive> maybe it's just a situation where there is nothing that can be done. That would suck really bad but I suppose it's possible.
[16:40] <pseudosudo> I have a ubuntu server and I installed many applications, put many scripts on it, and had a lot of files on it. Unfortunately, my system died and it won't boot up. The motherboard died. My question is.... Is it possible to recover my ubuntu installation and everything on it onto a new system ?? Or is there a way to get a list of all the applications I've installed and retrieve all the
[16:40] <pseudosudo> scripts and files i had on it
[16:42] <melkor> pseudosudo: if the hard drive is ok, there is a good chance another system could boot from it.
[16:42] <minihydra> how come "w" command does not show user logged in wia display manager?
[16:42] <melkor> pseudosudo: it also depends on how much different the hardware is.
[16:42] <pseudosudo> melkor, the ubuntu system is on an old p4..... so
[16:43] <pseudosudo> melkor, whatever hardware i put the harddrives on will be very differnt
[16:43] <pseudosudo> What's the best way to go about recovering my ubuntu installation? Such as retrieving all the applications and settings, files, scripts, startup/init settings, etc?
[16:44] <alexThunder> I have a new notebook with integrated intel graphics (ivy bridge) and a radeon 7970m (apparently a muxless system), but when I try to setup flgrx, amdconfig tells me "No supported adapters detected" :/
[16:46] <vincypa> !hello
[16:46] <melkor> alexThunder: if you do not find help here you can also check #ati
[16:46] <alexThunder> ok, thanks
[16:47] <L3top> alexThunder: please give me the output of lspci -nn | grep VGA
[16:48] <L3top> pseudosudo: recover or duplicate?
[16:48] <pseudosudo> recover
[16:48] <pseudosudo> my system's motherboard died, and it's too old to be replaced
[16:49] <pseudosudo> if I plug in the hard drives into a new system, I doubt things will work properly since all my other systems are generations newer.
[16:49] <melkor> pseudosudo: you should be able to access the harddrive with your new system, but not boot from it.
[16:49] <alexThunder> L3top: http://paste.kde.org/517232
[16:50] <Dr_Willis> pseudosudo:  theres external usb enclosures that are handy for accessing old hard drives.
[16:51] <L3top> Chances are it will just come alive plugging into a new board... and work will be needed to get it up to speed w/regard to video/networking. I would just clone the drive off, and plug n pray. I swap experimental installs around from system to system all the time from varying decades. Moving up to newer is much cleaner than going backwards.
[16:51] <L3top> alexThunder: update-pciids   and do it again please
[16:52] <pseudosudo> L3top, that is good news but I can't help but think about all the left over drivers/files that will be spread across the OS from the old hardware
[16:52] <alexThunder> L3top: http://paste.kde.org/517238
[16:52] <L3top> pseudosudo: correct. You will need to remove the /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules etc...
[16:53]  * genii-around makes a note about update-pciids next to his notes about update-usbids
[16:53] <L3top> pseudosudo: there is no clean way to do this without having the system available to make a remaster cd or something... that I know of.
[16:53] <bieb> I need to create 10 users on ubuntu 12.04 for lab environment, the will be lab1, lab2, etc, they all need the exact same desktop when they login, what is the fastest way to accomplish this?
[16:53] <L3top> ok alexThunder. Are you using vga-switcheroo or anything?
[16:54] <alexThunder> no
[16:54] <alexThunder> vga switcheroo only works with the open source drivers, doesn't it?
[16:54] <L3top> correct... that was why I asked :P
[16:55] <alexThunder> :)
[16:55] <alexThunder> afaik, radeon_si doesn't even support 7xxx series yet
[16:56] <L3top> alexThunder: I believe that what is happening is that it is using/seeing the first GPU, the intel... which is why it does not believe that there is any proprietary to get.  one more time, lets lspci -nnk | grep VGA -A2
[16:56]  * L3top would consider blacklisting the intel if all you want is the ati
[16:57] <alexThunder> http://paste.kde.org/517244
[16:57] <alexThunder> ok, i'll try that
[16:57] <escaped> hello, does somebody if its possible to setup 2 external monitors (displayport, dvi) and sound (hdmi) all together using a nvidia gts 450?
[16:57] <L3top> Well... I dunno that it is gonna be that easy alexThunder.
[16:58] <L3top> alexThunder: the way it works is that the ati gpu runs through the intel head... I dunno... I just havent seen enough of these to get any good experiments done.
[16:59] <L3top> Oh... neat... it's a clevo... they used to make the alienware stuff.
[16:59] <qubit[01]> join #clojure
[16:59] <alexThunder> now that you mention it, yeah - i think i've read that the readeon is only for rendering, not for displaying
[17:00] <alexThunder> and yes, its a clevo (Schenker XMG P702), which is a clevo p170em afaik
[17:00] <L3top> well alex, you can sudo apt-get install fglrx... I think you will have to do some xorg.conf trickery to get it working right.
[17:01] <alexThunder> right now i got the official amd fglrx installed (12-6)
[17:01] <alexThunder> but apparently only software rendering is working
[17:02]  * L3top avoids anything over 12-4 like the plague because it dropped support for most stuff on the planet... but for you will work.
[17:02] <L3top> if you look at your last pastebin... it isn't using the fglrx... so if you installed it... you are, like I said, most likely going to have to force its use with some xorg.conf magic.
[17:04] <alexThunder> hm, do you know any good tutorials about what i could try? it's been some time since i last touched xorg.conf
[17:04] <L3top> I could try and walk you through it. Chances are you do not even have one right now. check ls /etc/X11/x*
[17:05] <alexThunder> http://paste.kde.org/517250
[17:06] <drag0nius> how do i set grub to remember selection with 12.04?
[17:06] <drag0nius> startup manager isnt here anymore
[17:06] <Dr_Willis> drag0nius:  i belive theres a section on that in the grub2 forum thread/docs/wiki page.
[17:06] <Dr_Willis> !grub2
[17:06] <L3top> That isn't the whole thing is it alexThunder?
[17:06] <alexThunder> as far as i can believe cat, it is
[17:07] <Dr_Willis> drag0nius:  i think theres a entry in /etc/default/grub  that enables the  'rember last selection'.
[17:07] <L3top> wow... ok alexThunder mv that and run ati-configure --initial... I believe... let me check that.
[17:07] <drag0nius> i set it
[17:07] <drag0nius> didnt help
[17:08] <Katronix> Hello all, if you accidentally run do-release-upgrade -d is it possible to downgrade that to the latest stable version?
[17:08] <genii-around> !downgrade
[17:08] <Dr_Willis> drag0nius:  you ran sudo update-grub afterwards?
[17:08] <alexThunder> L3top: amdconfig (or aticonfig) tells me "No supported adapters detected"
[17:09] <Dr_Willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/148662/how-to-get-grub2-to-remember-last-choice
[17:09] <drag0nius> ohh theres second option
[17:10] <pybiru> test
[17:10] <Dr_Willis> 2 options.. ;) and a command that lets you change the saved one it seems drag0nius
[17:10]  * L3top is thinking alexThunder.
[17:10] <drag0nius> i set only simple default option
[17:10] <Dr_Willis> drag0nius:  not sure if the # starts at 0 or 1 for the first entry
[17:11] <drag0nius> think i found some manager for grub2
[17:11] <Dr_Willis> askubuntu.com lens for unity - so handy :)
[17:11] <drag0nius> i didnt edit it with text editor for sure on stationary comp
[17:11] <Dr_Willis> i never use anything else than a text editor. ;)
[17:13] <L3top> alexThunder: lets do it the old fashioned way. Kill X and run Xorg -configure
[17:13] <L3top> alexThunder: what version of buntu are you using?
[17:14] <alexThunder> 12.04
[17:15] <alexThunder> is there a gracefull way to kill it?
[17:15]  * L3top would probably blacklist the intel driver... see if I could get aticonfig to generate one, and merge the two xorg.confs just stuffing the ati rendering specific stuff into the one generated by xorg.conf, being careful to leave the BusIDs alone
[17:15] <Katronix> Hello all, if you accidentally run do-release-upgrade -d is it possible to downgrade that to the latest stable version?
[17:15] <beandog> alexThunder: pkill X
[17:15] <L3top> sudo service lightdm stop   alexThunder
[17:15] <Daxter> !downgrade
[17:16] <beandog> oh, n/m
[17:16] <Daxter> !downgrade | Katronix
[17:16] <pseudosudo> L3top, where can I find applications i've installed? What folder are applications usually in?
[17:16] <Katronix> ok, well hopefully the developmental version is pretty stable
[17:17] <Fanshawe> Hell again. I'm trying to clear out /var/lib/dpkg/info, but I'm getting back an error, 'argument list too long'.
[17:17] <L3top> oh... it really depends pseudosudo. /bin /usr/share/bin I mean... they are kind of all over... and tend to put pieces of themselves all over. You can see what I mean by typing dpkg -S <package name> on whatever you are on.
[17:17] <Fanshawe> or rather, 'sudo: unable to execute /usr/bin/apt-get: Argument list too long'
[17:18] <L3top> Fanshawe: can you start over and tell us what exactly you are trying to do and why?
[17:18] <pseudosudo> Thanks for your help L3top
[17:19] <Fanshawe> Sure, yes. Earlier I was struggling with space on my filesystem. Originally there was a problem with a 'xapian' directory eating too much memory.
[17:20] <L3top> np pseudosudo... you know... what you MIGHT try doing... is mounting the drive, binding /dev none mounting a few other drives, chroot into it, and installing remastersys... then creating a liveCD from that install, which may just install your exact system onto a new environment. That would probably be the direction I took.
[17:20] <Fanshawe> Now I'm looking to clear out more, as I've only managed to get about 15mb to myself.
[17:20] <L3top> s/other drives/otherlocations/
[17:20] <alexThunder> well, L3top , my machine died by killing x
[17:21] <L3top> wouch.
[17:21] <L3top> thats... abnormal.
[17:21] <Fanshawe> The reason I'm looking to clear out /var/lib/dpkg/info is that it's currently taking up the most space, by the way.
[17:21] <kjpoxjpoojqsosj> hello hello
[17:22] <L3top> Fanshawe: have you tried running sudo apt-get clean etc?
[17:22] <|2ump|2oast> hello
[17:22] <Fanshawe> I have, and it seems to make no difference.
[17:23] <L3top> alexThunder: you might boot into recovery console... and do it from there. Might need to remount with read/write
[17:23] <bekks> Fanshawe: How much space is it using then?
[17:24] <Dr_Willis> :/var/lib/dpkg/info$ du -hs
[17:24] <Dr_Willis> 109mb   here.
[17:24] <bekks> 111MB here.
[17:24] <L3top> 68mb here
[17:24] <Fanshawe> How much space is what using? /var/lib/apt is using 65mb, /var/lib/dpkg/info is taking up another 50
[17:24] <Dr_Willis> bekks:  show off.. ;P
[17:24] <bekks> Dr_Willis: I won. :P
[17:24] <bekks> Fanshawe: Thats not much at all.
[17:25] <Fanshawe> Then why did I have so much more free space before? I don't understand
[17:25] <|2ump|2oast> does anyone out there use a bare metal backup / restore program for ubuntu / ubuntu server ?  I've tried mondo / mindi but restore didn't work out very well
[17:25] <L3top> !info gdmap | Fanshawe try installing this... it visualises disk space. Makes it very easy to find big files to evaluate if you need them.
[17:25] <bekks> Fanshawe: Define "so much more" please. How much more?
[17:26] <L3top> du -hs /var/log
[17:26] <L3top> hmmm... where are coredumps...
[17:27] <Fanshawe> Alright, perhaps not much by most standards, but at the moment Ubuntu is installed on a tiny SD card,
[17:27] <bekks> Fanshawe: Define "tiny" please.
[17:27] <Fanshawe> The free space I had before was about 300mb, consistently, when I used sudo apt-get clean.
[17:27] <Fanshawe> 4gb
[17:28] <Fanshawe> ubuntu is currently installed on a 4gb sd card
[17:28] <Dr_Willis> sounds like youmay want to disable logging totally.
[17:29] <Fanshawe> that sounds good, would that prevent the space used sneaking up?
[17:29] <alexThunder> hah, finally
[17:29] <alexThunder> i killed it
[17:29] <L3top> Fanshawe: what is the output of du -hs /var/log   out of curiosity
[17:29] <bekks> with fire? *scnr* :)
[17:30] <L3top> lol
[17:30] <alexThunder> does Xorg -configure store a log somewhere?
[17:30] <TuxyThePenguin> Which bootloader should i use (not GRUB)
[17:30] <chixup> hello there
[17:30] <bekks> Fanshawe: It will prevent using space for logging.
[17:30] <Dr_Willis> TuxyThePenguin:  perhaps explain why not grub2
[17:30] <bekks> TuxyThePenguin: Why not?
[17:30] <L3top> ok alexThunder yes... I believe it does... but it will dump a file ~/xorg.conf.new   that is what we really want. I need that pastebinned if you dont mind.
[17:30] <nickun> hello guys
[17:30] <TuxyThePenguin> I cannot type bootflags bekks dr_willis
[17:30] <Dr_Willis> since most other boot loaders are either out of date. or used in special cases.
[17:31] <bekks> TuxyThePenguin: huh?
[17:31] <alexThunder> kk
[17:31] <Dr_Willis> TuxyThePenguin:  that made no sence.
[17:31] <nickun> 25 male
[17:31] <bekks> TuxyThePenguin: What exactly are you trying to do?
[17:31] <DJones> nickun: Do you have an Ubuntu support question? This isn't a dating channel
[17:31] <TuxyThePenguin> bekks im trying to boot A hackintosh with a special bootcode
[17:32] <beandog> DJones: man, that explains a lot ..
[17:32] <Fanshawe> http://pastebin.com/00puGHjg
[17:32] <Fanshawe> that is all that shows upon the du command
[17:33] <alexThunder> L3top: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1090243/
[17:33] <bekks> Fanshawe: Use this one: du -h --max-depth=1 /var/
[17:33] <TuxyThePenguin> is BURG a good bootloader
[17:33] <aaas> anyone know of a way to extract the ocr layer (not image) of a pdf and apply it to another document? is it even possible?
[17:33] <Dr_Willis> TuxyThePenguin:  burg is grub2 with extra options.
[17:33] <Dr_Willis> TuxyThePenguin:  and its not supported here.
[17:33] <TuxyThePenguin> so should i keep grub
[17:34] <alexThunder> btw, it told me, that it failed, because the number of screens doesnt match the devices
[17:34] <Dr_Willis> TuxyThePenguin:  I dont see why you need anythign else then grub. perhaps the hackintosh docs/guides will explain  what to use.
[17:34] <Fanshawe> http://pastebin.com/rzn10uuk
[17:34] <alexThunder> *doesnt match the numer of detected devices
[17:34] <TuxyThePenguin> does the chameleon bootloader work on linux
[17:34] <L3top> Ok that is the craziest xorg I have ever seen. Gimme a minute alexThunder.
[17:35] <alexThunder> kk :D
[17:36] <beandog> Fanshawe: try ncdu, it's *much* better
[17:36] <TuxyThePenguin> Vista not installing
[17:36] <Fanshawe> I'm not even really sure what information you guys are looking for? I'll use whatever commands you think are the most useful.
[17:36] <beandog> Fanshawe: what are you trying to do
[17:36] <bekks> Fanshawe: I just told you one :)
[17:36] <Dr_Willis> TuxyThePenguin:  if its not part of  the normal ubuntus.. then basically we dont know. or support it.
[17:36] <bekks> Fanshawe: Just use it, and provide the output please.
[17:37] <Fanshawe> bekks: http://pastebin.com/rzn10uuk
[17:37] <bekks> Fanshawe: Please use sudo.
[17:38] <L3top> alexThunder: can you please use regular pastebin.com. The buntus are terrible and want me to login and throw line numbers etc in when I try and copy from the html.
[17:38] <TuxyThePenguin> wifi printer support?
[17:39] <Dr_Willis> TuxyThePenguin:  ask actual question?
[17:39] <alexThunder> sure
[17:39] <Dr_Willis> My brother wifi printer works very well.
[17:39] <Fanshawe> bekks: http://pastebin.com/S6T4KZXY
[17:39] <TuxyThePenguin> how do i print to a pixma wifi printer from ubuntu 12.04
[17:39] <Dr_Willis> !printing
[17:40] <DWSR> Anyone that can help me with installing FGLRX? I tried using the `Additional Drivers` applet and it just spits out an error that I can make heads or tails of. I can pastebin /var/log/jockey.log
[17:40] <bekks> Fanshawe: 194M for /var looks pretty good.
[17:40] <Dr_Willis> configure it with the printing config tools. or the cups web interface.. assumng its supporting linux/cups.. Canon  has very poor linux support at times.
[17:40] <alexThunder> http://pastebin.com/jBT9mrGV
[17:41] <L3top> ok alexThunder I am also going to need to see the output of xrandr -q
[17:41] <L3top> I need to know what resolution you are aiming for
[17:41] <TuxyThePenguin> PRINTING ISSUE SOLVED
[17:41] <Fanshawe> bekks: So is there no way I can decrease the amount of space it uses? Even just using regular programs causes me to tip over the edge.
[17:42] <L3top> alexThunder: that will of course need to be done from WITHIN X lol
[17:42] <alexThunder> http://pastebin.com/ZWXMTnT4
[17:43] <alexThunder> sorry, if it takes some time, but pastebin.com seems to be slow for me right now
[17:44] <Fanshawe> I basically need to use the minimum amount of space possible in order to stop that from happening again, where I have -no- space at all on my filesystem and can't even remove anything via synaptic or the terminal
[17:44] <TuxyThePenguin> burg install guide please
[17:44] <beandog> Fanshawe: how big is your drive
[17:44] <Fanshawe> 4gb
[17:45] <L3top> alexThunder: you are running 1080p now... so I will safely assume that is what you want. Please give me the output of cvt 1920 1080 60.1
[17:46] <Dr_Willis> TuxyThePenguin:  see burg homepage. this channel does not support BURG. and it has the same features as Grub2 - with just fancy themes
[17:46] <alexThunder> L3top: http://pastebin.com/uSS57bfZ
[17:47] <L3top> alexThunder: it looks like you are currently connected both to your laptop LVDS screen and an HDMI out to a monitor/tv.... correct?
[17:47] <beandog> Fanshawe: your best bet is to probably delete the downloaded packages
[17:47] <beandog> I dunno where they are stored though
[17:47] <alexThunder> dvi
[17:47] <alexThunder> but the LVDS actually should be disabled
[17:47] <L3top> same thing to that it seems.
[17:47] <beandog> Fanshawe: do you have another partition  you can store stuff on?
[17:48] <L3top> It will always show connected I believe alexThunder. I dont fool with laptops in this area too much. so I could be wrong.
[17:48] <Fanshawe> only another, separate SD in the laptop, but that seems to be treated as secondary/external (i.e. I can't install ubuntu on it)
[17:48] <alexThunder> seems that way - since LVDS is pretty black right now :D
[17:49] <Dr_Willis> Fanshawe:  you could mount it somewhere on / and use it as a system directory
[17:49] <Dr_Willis> Fanshawe:  or /home/
[17:49] <Dr_Willis> or both actually. :) with some work
[17:49] <L3top> alexThunder: I will be away for a few minutes trying to generate this. I havent left... but wont be here.
[17:49] <Fanshawe> I would love to be able to do that, that would give me an extra 8gb right off
[17:50] <alexThunder> well i got plenty of time for today ^^ i'm already thankful, that you invested so much time until now
[17:50] <Dr_Willis> Fanshawe:  make an entry in the fstab file for it. :) depending on what youa re doing with it.
[17:50] <Dr_Willis> time to save up your nickles and buy bigger sd cards. :) or get a usb-flash drive.
[17:51] <L3top> alexThunder: I will tell you a secret... I am very curious about your hardware... and it is rare. I need to know if I can autodetect/autogenerate this for our project... so it is somewhat less selfless than it might appear :P
[17:52] <Fanshawe> beandog: You suggested I clear out old downloaded package files, and I tried to do that via synaptic, no difference.
[17:52] <beandog> oh okay
[17:52] <Fanshawe> thank you though, anything to save space
[17:53] <Fanshawe> Dr_Willis: Are there any guides on how to mount a secondary drive in /?
[17:53] <Dr_Willis> Fanshawe:  remove libreoffice ;)
[17:53] <Dr_Willis> Fanshawe:  rather fundamental stuff.. just figure out what  system dir you want on the pation and make a fstab entry for it.. move existing stuff to the new fs.. and mount it where it needs to go
[17:53] <Fanshawe> You know, there is probably quite a bit of software I could drop, but that's the thing, 300mb has been eaten out of nowhere. Which might not seem like much, but is when you only have 4gb together.
[17:54] <qw_> hello all
[17:54] <alexThunder> L3top: well, i'm fine with that :D
[17:54] <qw_> help me please
[17:54] <Dr_Willis> 300mb is firefox cache here...
[17:54] <Dr_Willis> or any other apps caches... trivial amount of space.
[17:54] <Dr_Willis> I got more wallpaper then that. ;P
[17:55] <Dr_Willis> Seriously - you are lucky the sytem is going to be useable with just 4gb - no matter what you do. :)  Unless you have really really specilized needs.
[17:55] <qw_> in skype my friend did"t my speak
[17:55] <Bronze> didn't or can't
[17:55] <Bronze> ?
[17:56] <qw_> )
[17:56] <alexThunder> i guess his friend couldn't hear him speaking
[17:56] <qw_> no
[17:57] <Fanshawe> Dr_Willis: Thank you for that, but I've been relying on apt-get clean to get me a decent amount of free space for a while now.
[17:57] <Fanshawe> I don't understand why it would simply stop working?
[17:57] <Dr_Willis> we are getting way to good at playing '20 questions' to get to the real problem. ;)
[17:57] <LordOfTime> ^
[17:57] <Dr_Willis> ~/.mozilla$ du -hs
[17:57] <Dr_Willis> 249M.
[17:57] <bekks> Fanshawe: If you think you are wasting too much space, use the command I gave you on / instead of /var/
[17:57] <Dr_Willis> Fanshawe:  as i said.. even my firefox cache settings dir.. is almost 300mb...
[17:58] <bekks> Then break it down to see where you are actually wasting space.
[17:58] <Peppyuk> Good evening all.
[17:58] <Dr_Willis> libreoffice is perhaps the largest single app on  the ubuntu system.
[17:58] <qw_> my aunt doesn't hear me on Skype I it I hear and it isn't present me
[17:58] <nullpointertohum> Hello Ubuntu-ers!
[17:59] <nullpointertohum> Hmm... it seems my name got cut off :(
[17:59] <d0gbyt3> what channel would be best to sort out bluetooth problems in a VM for backtrack5
[17:59] <Dr_Willis> d0gbyt3:  see backtrack support channels.
[17:59] <d0gbyt3> thanks Dr
[17:59] <ClientAlive> I
[18:00] <ClientAlive> I've almost got it. I'm connected wirelessly now but for some reason - if I reboot with the ethernet cable unplugged, network manager doesn't even try to make the wireless connection. Why might this be happening?
[18:00] <ai_> hello, can u help me , the optimus nvidia problem?
[18:00] <nullpointertohum> Any programmers in here who are interested in joining (beginning really) a development team for a 2D platform game?
[18:01] <qw_> рудз ьу
[18:01] <qw_> help me
[18:02] <nishttal2> does anyone know how to install Adobe Air on 64bit Ubuntu
[18:02] <Fanshawe> bekks: could I have that command again, please?
[18:02] <bekks> Fanshawe: sudo du -h --max-depth=1 /
[18:02] <nishttal2> i keep getting "Adobe AIR could not be installed. Install either Gnome Keyring or KDE KWallet before installing Adobe AIR."
[18:03] <nishttal2> Gnome Keyring is installed though
[18:03] <L3top> qw_: help is more likely if you do not demand it. Your problem seems to be with a specific program... skype. I assume you have opened alsamixer and made sure that your mic was not muted, and indeed shows up?
[18:04] <qw_> no programm skype
[18:04] <qw_> in my system
 in skype my friend did"t my speak
[18:06] <L3top> !details | qw
[18:06] <Fanshawe> what is 'ubuntu-docs'? The help files?
[18:06] <Fanshawe> I can safely delete them, right?
[18:07] <MadsRC> So, I've enabled SSH on my server, and forced it to use keys. I've generated a public and private key from my laptop, and transfered the private(?) key using ssh-copy-id user@server to .ssh/autorizedkeys. Say I want to log in to the server from another machine, what do I need on that machine? private or public? or both?
[18:08] <LordOfTime> MadsRC: you probably copied the public ID (private ID isnt ever copied)
[18:08] <LordOfTime> MadsRC: you should generate a new public/private key pair in the other machine
[18:08] <MadsRC> That's what I thought
[18:08] <LordOfTime> MadsRC: and then use ssh-copy-id accordingly
[18:08] <MadsRC> Ah, so I can't reuse the public/private key's I already made?
[18:09] <LordOfTime> MadsRC: the alternative is you take both ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub and ~/.ssh/id_rsa and copy that to the new machine
[18:09] <LordOfTime> MadsRC: but i would recommend using individual SSH keys for each machine
[18:09] <LordOfTime> MadsRC: in case one of your machines gets stolen, for instance.
[18:09] <LordOfTime> MadsRC: then, rather than purging the entire key which was shared, you can just remove that machine's specific key.
[18:09] <MadsRC> Ah, good thought
[18:09] <ClientAlive> does anyone know what my /etc/network/interfaces should look like. It has no content regarding wlan0 in it and the wireless connection fails on booting up.
[18:10] <MadsRC> But it is possible to reuse the pair i made?
[18:10] <LordOfTime> MadsRC: yes, i just explained, copy ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub and ~/.ssh/id_rsa or whatever the keys are to the new system's user's ~/.ssh folder
[18:10] <LordOfTime> where the files to copy exist on the first machine you generated those keys on
[18:11] <LordOfTime> s/those keys/the key pair/
[18:11] <LordOfTime> MadsRC: but from an ITSec perspective, I recommend separate keys.
[18:11] <LordOfTime> just in case
[18:11] <beandog> ssh-copy-id
[18:11] <beandog> much simpler
[18:12] <MadsRC> Yeah, i follow
[18:12] <ClientAlive> could I be missing something on my system that I need to install? Something to do with wpa supplicant?
[18:12] <beandog> ssh-copy-id -i ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub user@host
[18:12] <beandog> done
[18:12] <MadsRC> But, if the server requires keys, I will only be able to do the ssh-copy-id from a machine already with keys right?
[18:12] <zixxy> ClientAlive, auto lo iface lo inet loopback <-- that's what's in my interfaces file
[18:12] <beandog> MadsRC: right
[18:12] <beandog> You still need to get in there *somehow* though
[18:12] <Dr_Willis> ClientAlive:  normally wifi starts when the user logs in from what ive seen.. not at boot up.
[18:13] <beandog> but I see what you're saying
[18:13] <Dr_Willis> ClientAlive:  or is that what you ment?
[18:13] <MadsRC> Yup, planning on getting it there in a encrpyted container :)
[18:13] <beandog> MadsRC: make sure the permissions are correct.  0700 on .ssh and 0600 on the authorized_keys
[18:13] <ok_> ha, if anyones interested i just figured i can boot my portable usb 12.04 install in a vm now (that doesn't support usb boot) with grub disc 2. amazing!
[18:13] <TheVoid> hulo, i need halp. am running ubuntu 10.04 and my processor widget inside my taskbar and system monitor is saying 100% cpu is being used, when it's totally fine. I don't see any process causing this either... :( why is this happening? perhaps i need to reboot?
[18:13] <TheVoid> also
[18:13] <TheVoid>  19:13:49 up 1 day, 18:52,  2 users,  load average: 4.65, 4.64, 4.60
[18:14] <ok_> sorry *supergrubdisc
[18:14] <ok_> *2
[18:14] <agike> How does one recursively change a restored fs from root to user ? I keep getting it wrong ..
[18:14] <MadsRC> Can I rename the files?
[18:14] <ok_> its been a long day sorry
[18:14] <genii-around> Hm, pretty high load averages
[18:14] <TheVoid> yep
[18:14] <ok_> just had to tell someone
[18:14] <TheVoid> also, i am running on a netbook (samsung N210)
[18:14] <TheVoid> loads are usually like 1-2
[18:14] <beandog> MadsRC: rename what files
[18:15] <MadsRC> the keys
[18:15] <ClientAlive> Dr_Willis: I got the connection to work but when I reboot with the cable unplugged network manager does not find anything to connect to so it boots with no networking. I can go to the command line after logging on and do a sudo ifconfig wlan0 up and a sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart  and then my wireless connects
[18:15] <MadsRC> forget it, they won't ever be on the same machine :P
[18:15] <MadsRC> so no need to rename
[18:15] <Dr_Willis> ClientAlive:  odd.  sounds like something may be timing out. or delayed. You could try putting those commands in /etc/rc.local
[18:15] <r0tha> ClientAlive: you could try adding something to the /etc/init.d/ folder so it start whenyou boot
[18:15] <ClientAlive> thank you zizzy btw
[18:16] <MadsRC> But I should chmod 700 on the clients .ssh folder and 600 on the autthorized_keys file?
[18:16] <Dr_Willis> ClientAlive:  id check what modules are loaded befor and after the ifconfig wlan0 up command..  could be they are  not loading at boot.
[18:16] <genii-around> TheVoid: What's the process at the top of the list when you run "top -n1"
[18:16] <Peppyuk> Hi all, I'm pretty new to linux and am looking for some help with my server.
[18:16] <beandog> MadsRC: yah
[18:16] <LordOfTime> Peppyuk: help how?
[18:17] <ClientAlive> I will check that. thank you.
[18:17] <MadsRC> Thanks guys :D
[18:17] <LordOfTime> MadsRC: that's why we're here.
[18:17]  * beandog is here for the cookies
[18:17] <TheVoid> genii-around: top is
[18:17] <Peppyuk> LordOfTime: Any file I try and read from the server are very very slow to read.
[18:17] <TheVoid> chromium
[18:18] <TheVoid> then gedit
[18:18] <Dr_Willis> Peppyuk:  read how?
[18:18] <LordOfTime> what Dr_Willis said
[18:18] <TheVoid> top using 5% cpu being on top
[18:18] <MadsRC> There's no need to do sudo chmod 700 .ssh instead of chmod 700 .ssh ? Wouldn't sudo make root the owner of it?
[18:18] <r0tha> MadsRC: I've always found this article very helpful -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Keys
[18:18] <Dr_Willis> drwx------  2 willis willis   4096 May  2 04:26 .ssh
[18:19] <MadsRC> Already read it r0tha :P
[18:19] <genii-around> TheVoid: Have you tried shutting it down and restarting it?
[18:19] <MadsRC> Just clearing up what I not 100% sure about
[18:19] <r0tha> MadsRC: ahh gotcha
[18:19] <TheVoid> genii-around: you mean the computer? no. :p
[18:19] <TheVoid> would probably fix it
[18:19] <TheVoid> not 100% sure
[18:19] <TheVoid> but i've never gotten the problem before
[18:19] <r0tha> MadsRC: so what'd i'd try is a ls -la in the directory
[18:20] <r0tha> it will list who the owner is since i"m not totally sure
[18:20] <genii-around> TheVoid: chromium :-)
[18:20] <TheVoid> ah
[18:20] <MadsRC> That shows my user as owner of the files
[18:20] <TheVoid> shut it down - no difference
[18:20] <Payl> hi, can any1 help me with GUI problem in Lubuntu?
[18:20] <hp__> when my pc starts , it stays @ Checking battery stat ..... [ok]
[18:20] <MadsRC> But should root be the owner?
[18:20] <Peppyuk> Dr_Willis: Anything I try and read from the server. I'm using Ubuntu 12.04 and it's been fine but the last couple of weeks the IO read speed is slow. I use samba, can copy file to the server fine, can't read them, also get the same using VSFTPD and wordpress. I did follow a guide for changing the network driversbut that hasn't helped
[18:20] <hp__> after that i wont do anything ?
[18:20] <TheVoid> started it again - no fix
[18:21] <hp__> anybody a idee
[18:21] <KorvinSzanto> my side-bar on my left monitor won't retract :( I don't want to reboot or log off, is there anything I can do?
[18:21] <Dr_Willis> Peppyuk:  and how is it networked? Try just normal ssh/scp so  you can get some actual #'s on the speeds.
[18:21] <KorvinSzanto> I've cycled the hide/don'thide setting that didn't work
[18:22] <Dr_Willis> KorvinSzanto:   you could try unity --restart perhaps.
[18:22] <Dr_Willis> KorvinSzanto:  you are not using Unity2d are you?
[18:22] <Payl> anybody got idea howto fix startx error 'no driver'? X -configure also fails, i noticed that only driver avail is 'vmware'. ideas?
[18:22] <KorvinSzanto> no
[18:22] <Dr_Willis> Payl:  this is a normal ubuntu install on a desktop? laptop? what video card?
[18:23] <Payl> Dr_Willis, it's laptop with some Intel graphics, i installed Lubuntu from text instalator (alternative)
[18:23] <Payl> it's old HP laptop.
[18:23] <Peppyuk> Dr_Willis: I connect to it using ssh which seems to work ok, although it has the odd pause here and there.
[18:23] <Dr_Willis> Peppyuk:  wired or wireless networking?
[18:24] <L3top> alexThunder: Ok... lets give this a swing. Do not be disappointed if it does not work correctly to begin with... we have some work left to do almost guaranteed. http://pastebin.com/Z572FdS5
[18:24] <Peppyuk> Dr_Willis: sorry.. wired to a switch, I've tried different cables and different ports too but no difference.
[18:25] <alexThunder> i won't be disappointed, since it can't get that much worse :D
[18:27] <tesserakt> how do I start a process with a custom process name?
[18:27] <L3top> after replacing your current /etc/X11/xorg.conf with that you will need to reboot aladilas
[18:27] <L3top> doh... seems he did.. sorry aladilas. misfire
[18:28] <alexThunder> oh, stop/start x isn't enough?
[18:28] <Payl> Dr_Willis, i don't want to be rude but can you help me? :P
[18:28] <Payl> or any1 other, can't get over it myself
[18:29] <L3top> alexThunder: I would just reboot. esp as stopping x last time crashed you.
[18:29] <alexThunder> this time it didn't
[18:29] <alexThunder> and at least compositing is back
[18:29] <Dr_Willis> Payl:  step 1 would be to figure out what video chipset you got - via the 'lspci' command
[18:29] <L3top> alexThunder: the radeon/fglrx struggle for the frame buffer is an epic one... best to reboot when trying to give one control.
[18:29] <alexThunder> k i'll just reboot
[18:29] <beandog> I hate that struggle.
[18:29] <alexThunder> brb
[18:30] <Dr_Willis> i always turn off the framebuffers.
[18:30] <beandog> it's not a bad idea
[18:30] <Payl> Intel 82852/855GM Integrated
[18:30] <Dr_Willis> framebuffer was one of those great/hot/fancy ideas a few years back everyone was messing with.. that sort of never panned out.
[18:30] <beandog> I like it for custom boot
[18:30] <beandog> and if you're working on console, nice to have a big fat shiny one with nice background images
[18:30] <bwat47> its the fault of proprietary drivers not supporting it properly
[18:31] <bwat47> works fine with my intel video :)
[18:31] <beandog> uvesafb works great
[18:31] <beandog> ati just doesn't like playing with others
[18:31] <Dr_Willis> i find if im working on the console. the framevuffer slowed things down way way too much to justify the  features it had.
[18:31] <bwat47> if you just look at the architecture of how the binary blobs work its a wonder it works at all :p
[18:31] <Dr_Willis> but with wide screen monitors standard these days. :) i guess it has some uses still.
[18:32] <Payl> Dr_Willis, maybe you then know why i got blackscreen when i'm suposed to login into system?
[18:32] <alexThunder> so, what's next, L3top
[18:32] <Dr_Willis> Payl:  intel drivers are normally well supported. you could try the nomodeset option.
[18:32] <Dr_Willis> !nomodeset | Payl
[18:33] <Payl> i already did nomodeset in grub
[18:33] <Payl> with vga=791
[18:33] <Payl> not changed anything
[18:33] <Dr_Willis> i  think the use of vga= is outdated.
[18:34] <L3top> alexThunder: Well... I need to know what happened when it came up... and I would like to see lspci -nnk | grep VGA -A2   again
[18:34] <Payl> it's depraced if i type it correctly
[18:34] <Dr_Willis> Payl:  you could try text mode - see what you can see with that.. see if the console at least works.
[18:34] <Dr_Willis> !text
[18:34] <Payl> Dr_Willis, i'm on console mode
[18:34] <Payl> i've started it with F8
[18:34] <genii-around> Dr_Willis: It still works, but I think preferred is now GRUB_GFXMODE= in /etc/default/grub
[18:34] <alexThunder> are you after the kernel module? its "radeon"
[18:35] <Dr_Willis> Payl:  so does  'ps ax | grep lightdm' show lightdm running? or what does lubuntu use.. i forget..
[18:35] <L3top> It was... alexThunder.
[18:35] <Dr_Willis> !info lxdm
[18:35] <alexThunder> http://pastebin.com/dD71r7LN
[18:35] <Dr_Willis> Payl:  so does  'ps ax | grep lxdm' show lxdm running
[18:35] <Payl> Dr_Willis , i thinkg it's lightdm. And grep show result, so i assume it's running
[18:36] <Dr_Willis> grep shows its own command line.. :)  what was the result...
[18:36] <Payl> 1880 tty1 S+ 0:00 grep --color=auto lightm
[18:36] <Payl> lightdm* (in red)
[18:36] <Dr_Willis> Payl:  so. :) its showing your grep command...
[18:36] <Dr_Willis> and its lightdm
[18:36] <Dr_Willis> not tm
[18:37] <L3top> that is just grep... for the record when grepping ps I always add | grep -v grep
[18:37] <Payl> i've typed lightdm
[18:37] <Dr_Willis> grep is grepping itself. :)
[18:38] <Dr_Willis> Payl:  so does  'ps ax | grep lxdm' show lxdm running    Lubuntu uses lxdm i belive
[18:38] <Dr_Willis> sudo service lightdm status
[18:39] <Payl> lxdm=lightdm?
[18:39] <Dr_Willis> sudo service lxdm  status
[18:39] <Dr_Willis> Payl:  No.. the 2 are DIFFERNT.
[18:39] <L3top> ok alexThunder... lets try just ignoring the intel alltogether... please backup that current xorg.conf so we can get back to it... and replace it with http://pastebin.com/2xYSDezV   and... sorry... reboot
[18:39] <Dr_Willis> lubuntu uses lxdm , ubuntu uses lightdm .  I think
[18:39] <Payl> yup, but i've seen tuts documenting lxdm
[18:39] <Payl> and i've installed it via apt-get, to warn you :)
[18:39] <Payl> lxdm is stop/waiting
[18:39] <Dr_Willis> but are you even using it?
[18:40] <Payl> Dr_Willis, i'm trying to get any gui to run.
[18:40] <Payl> :)
[18:40] <alexThunder> kk, brb again
[18:40] <Payl> it's newly installed lubuntu.
[18:40] <Dr_Willis> so whats the status of lightdm?
[18:40] <Dr_Willis> see if either one is running..is what we are tyring to do
[18:40] <Payl> lightdm is also stop/waiting
[18:41] <Payl> also command lightdm brings me to 'screen' (Alt+Ctrl+F7)
[18:41] <Payl> but there are just some consolelike trash.
[18:41] <Payl> i mean not a gui
[18:41] <Payl> :)
[18:42] <Dr_Willis> sounds like some  driver issues going on.
[18:42] <Payl> Dr_Willis, X -configure gives error
[18:42] <Dr_Willis> check /var/log/Xorg.#.log   perhaps next to see if any erorrs are there
[18:42] <Payl> only 'vmware' driver is found..
[18:42] <Dr_Willis> Last i looked X -confiogure was outdated also.
[18:42] <Payl> Dr_Willis, what editor should i use
[18:43] <Payl> i want windowslike editor please lol :P
[18:43] <Dr_Willis> editor? text editor? for the consoel i use vi or nano.
[18:43] <qw_> YES
[18:43] <Dr_Willis> theres some clones out of the old dos edit. but no idea what it was called
[18:43] <qw_> ITS WORK!
[18:43] <Payl> by # u mean number or just #?
[18:43] <L3top> joe is pretty friendly too.
[18:44] <Dr_Willis> Theres several log files  older ones have higher #'s
[18:44] <Payl> i'm using type, it haven't found /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[18:44] <Dr_Willis> !tab
[18:45] <Dr_Willis> willis@Speedbuntu:/var/log$ Xorg.0.log
[18:45] <Dr_Willis>  less /var/log/Xorg.
[18:45]  * L3top thinking alex cant get back to dt... hopes he understood WHY we were backing up that old xorg.conf
[18:45] <Dr_Willis> then hiot the tab key at the end a few times. :)
[18:45] <Payl> oh wait there is Xorg.0.log lol with dir.
[18:46] <Payl> nah type doesn't want to print it.
[18:46] <Dr_Willis> type?
[18:46] <Dr_Willis> err.. type is a DOS command i recall....
[18:46] <BigGold> yup
[18:46] <L3top> Payl: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | less
[18:46] <Dr_Willis>  less /var/log/Xorg.                 <--- and tap the tab key.....
[18:46] <BigGold> L3top: blatant abuse of cat :3
[18:47] <L3top> you can scroll up and down.
[18:47] <Payl> oh ok got it
[18:47]  * L3top hangs head
[18:47]  * L3top cats greps too... its a terrible habit.
[18:47] <Dr_Willis> tail -10 /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[18:47] <Dr_Willis> :)
[18:48] <Payl> some warnings there, last message is (II) Loader magic: 0x3fc5a0
[18:48] <Payl> warnings are bout nonexistant font paths i think
[18:48] <Dr_Willis> you may want to pastebin the whole file.  'sudo apt-get install pastebinit' then 'pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log'
[18:48] <Dr_Willis> note no cat. ;P
[18:48] <Payl> oh wait, cat scrool
[18:48]  * BigGold mews. :3
[18:48] <L3top> Payl: might be a good idea to sudo apt-get install pastebinit       then you can just pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[18:48] <Payl> wow, so advanced
[18:49] <Payl> ok w8
[18:49] <Dr_Willis> rather trivial actially
[18:49] <L3top> that is less, not cat... as mentioned... the cat was completely unnecessary
[18:49] <Payl> how do i exit cat lol
[18:49] <BigGold> press the letter q
[18:49] <L3top> :q
[18:49] <Payl> oh lol
[18:49] <Dr_Willis> that would hbe for 'more' or 'less' not 'cat'
[18:49] <bekks> Thats not exiting cat, but exiting less.
[18:49] <Payl> btw. i'm logged as root (sudo -i)
[18:49] <Naeblis> Hi. I'm getting the following errors while installing packages: http://pastebin.com/Cr64iMqy . Any help? :)
[18:49] <hp__> stuck @ "checking battery state" ? what to do any tips
[18:50] <hp__> i reinstalled ubuntu-deksop
[18:50] <L3top> chances are you have some PPA that is causing package conflicts Naeblis.
[18:50] <Payl> installing pastebinit
[18:50] <hp__> i did reinstall gnome power manager
[18:51] <Naeblis> L3top, so, sources.list right?
[18:51] <hp__> still the same problem being stuck at battery checkt
[18:51] <Payl> should i do cat file | pastebinit?
[18:51] <Dr_Willis> you may want to pastebin the whole file.  'sudo apt-get install pastebinit' then 'pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log'
[18:51] <L3top> you can just pastebinit /path/to/file
[18:51] <Dr_Willis> note no cat. ;P
[18:51] <L3top> lol
[18:51]  * L3top would cat it.
[18:51] <L3top> lol
[18:51] <Dr_Willis> hp__:  does it have an 'ok' or 'fail' at the end of that line?
[18:52] <hp__> Dr_Willis, it hase a [ok]
[18:52] <bekks> hp__: So it isnt stuck there.
[18:52] <Dr_Willis> hp__:  the i would guess that the error is somting happening after the battery state check.
[18:52] <Payl> here it is http://paste.ubuntu.com/1090358/
[18:53] <hp__> bekks, well it doenst do anything after taht
[18:53] <Payl> almost same i get when i do startx
[18:53] <Dr_Willis> line 108 --->    [  4258.721] (EE) Failed to load module "intel" (module does not exist, 0)
[18:53] <bekks> hp__: OK indicated "everything alright". It is stuck after that.
[18:54] <Dr_Willis> Payl:  you instelled the DESKTOP edition? :) and not the server edition by mistake?
[18:54] <Payl> i don't think so lol
[18:54] <hp__> bekks, but what needs to come after that ?!
[18:54] <Payl> filename lubuntu-12.04-alternate-i386.iso
[18:55] <Payl> just made it to USB and install...
[18:55] <L3top> Payl: lspci -nn | grep VGA
[18:55] <ClientAlive> it looks like all the same modules are loaded both before and after. I did find out more information. With ethernet cable unplugged:  If I do ifconfig wlan0 up then do sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart  it freezes and eventually does not start the network (in this case it is doing the same thing is does when I boot up). However, if I do sudo ifconfig wlan0, then plug in the ethernet cable, then do sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart  i
[18:55] <ClientAlive> t fires right up and connects to the wireless. In that latter case, it connects to the wireless even though the ethernet cable is still plugged in. Then I can unplug the enthernet cable and still be connected wirelessly (unless I reboot).
[18:55] <L3top> it cant load the most basic modules for your gpu
[18:55] <Payl> L3top, it's Intel 855GM
[18:56] <L3top> Payl: lspci -nn | grep VGA | pastebinit
[18:56] <Payl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1090364/
[18:56] <alexThunder> L3top?
[18:57] <Payl> btw. this pastebinit thing is quite smart lol.
[18:57] <L3top> aha... you made it back! Whats going on alexThunder. Your long break makes me think this did not go as hoped.
[18:57] <alexThunder> correct
[18:57] <alexThunder> X doesnt work
[18:58] <alexThunder> and i have now set up a terminal irc
[18:58] <alexThunder> thought that might become useful when playing around with X
[18:58] <hp__> this pc hase a onboard graphic card , could that be the problem to "checking battery state" hangup
[18:58] <L3top> This was why I said to backup the xorg.conf, so you could revert and at least get X up
[18:59] <alexThunder> yes, that's what im going to do now
[18:59] <Payl> Dr_Willis, so have you idea what it might be? :P
[18:59] <Dr_Willis> Payl:  not really. seems the intel module may be missing.  I dont evenknwow hat module inteluses to check
[18:59] <alexThunder> brb
[18:59] <Payl> i don't really think it's server instalation, it have lightdm by default
[19:00] <Dr_Willis> Payl:  i would test with some other disrtos to see if any of them work. Like TinyCorelinux, and the lubuntu Desktop live cd.
[19:00] <ilian> can anyone give me some help how to install  acpi4asus-dkms to enable my asus function keys
[19:00] <L3top> Payl: PPAs are explicitly not supported by ubuntu support... that being said. give this a try http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-intel-82852855gm-drivers-in-ubuntu-using-ppa.html#more-10917
[19:00] <Dr_Willis> could be the  installer just reallymessed up
[19:00] <Dr_Willis> !info acpi4asus-dkms
[19:01] <ClientAlive> sorry, does anyone have a clue where to look for the problem?
[19:01] <Payl> Dr_Willis, do you think old HP is capable of running livecd lubuntu?
[19:01] <Payl> Dr_Willis, it can't go on with GUI installer (hangs)
[19:01] <Payl> :P
[19:01] <alexThunder> re again
[19:01] <Benxyzzy> I'm trying to set up a DHCP server on Ubuntu Server. I just installed dhcp3 and I see I have *two* folders in /etc ... 'dhcp' and 'dhcp3' . The config file dhcpd.conf appears in /etc/dhcp instead of /etc/dhcp3 as indicated here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/dhcp3-server . It looks like the server's DHCP client and server daemons are getting mixed up. Do I need to worry about this?
[19:01] <Dr_Willis> Payl:  no idea. your definition of old.. may not be the same as mine.. I have a Timex Sinclare - thats OLD...
[19:02] <addos> hi, how do I manually unmount a usb drive?
[19:02] <L3top> !info xserver-xorg-video-intel | Dr_Willis
[19:02] <Payl> 1300Mhz Celeron
[19:02] <Dr_Willis> Payl:  tinycore linux should run on moust things.
[19:02] <addos> everytime I try, ubuntu remounts
[19:02] <Payl> Dr_Willis, alright, but first i'll try to run those drivers
[19:02] <Dr_Willis> Payl:  try a 'sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel'
[19:02] <Payl> ok w8
[19:02]  * Dr_Willis w8's
[19:03] <Payl> it can't find packet
[19:03] <Dr_Willis> double check spelling? use tab completion? ;)
[19:03] <Payl> k...
[19:03] <Dr_Willis> sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get upgrade, then try again?
[19:04] <Dr_Willis> dance a jig around the room singing  sailor shanties...
[19:04] <Payl> update is going on...
[19:04] <alexThunder> L3top: i reverted to the last working xorg.conf
[19:05] <rinzler> I'm having some major problems. I just started up my 12.04 xubuntu machine and now there is only one workspace available (had 6), and the window buttons (close minimize maximize) are gone. I've tried rebooting and the whole nine yards. also, none of the open windows are being shown in the Window Buttons panel item, and alt-tab doesn't work either.
[19:06] <xangua> rinzler: did you try to reset unity and/or compiz¿
[19:06] <BigGold> Dr_Willis: what do you do with a drunken perler, what do you do with a drunken perler, what do you do with a drunken perler, early in the mor~nin'?
[19:06] <rinzler> xangua: I am using neither. I am using xfce
[19:07] <Dr_Willis> sounds like the window manager is not loading tome.  be it compiz, or xfwm4
[19:08] <rinzler> Dr_Willis: you know of any commands to reset it?
[19:08] <L3top> for the record I expect it will already be installed Dr_Willis. The 500-850GM are special... and I do not believe they will run at all on the native intel module... which is why I gave him the ppa instructions. According to hix Xorg.0.log it tried to load the intel module, so I am sure it is available, and if it couldn't even load the freakin fbdev driver... I think he will need that ppa install. fbdev will load on practically anything.
[19:09] <Payl> L3top, we will see no worries :P
[19:09] <Dr_Willis> i dont use xfce/xubuntu. You could tryinstall ing a differnt window maanger like jwm and see if it works rinzler . OR try making a new user and see if the desktop works for them. If the new user works.. then its some setting for the old user thats the issue.
[19:09] <hp__> so i have this program INXI  and this is the outcome of my graphic card http://pastebin.com/Z0aPvXU6
[19:09] <hp__> its wrong isnt it ???
[19:09]  * L3top now wonders how he did the install to begin with
[19:10] <Dr_Willis> L3top:  text based installer he said.
[19:10] <L3top> Payl: did you do an alternate non gui install?
[19:10] <L3top> ah... that would be how
[19:10] <hp__> is that why it stuck at that point and dont get a qui ?
[19:10] <Payl> L3top, i did nongui install, yes
[19:10] <Payl> gui install was working.
[19:10] <[snake]> Hello. Is there a way to completely erase some data? perhaps just the free space(to write zeroes to the free space just like in Mac OS X's disk utility) I was fooling around in testdisk and found some files from the distant past that are rather unwanted.
[19:10] <rinzler> Dr_Willis: found the solution: running xfwm4 --replace fixed it
[19:10] <Payl> but it was slow and it keep on crashing
[19:11] <superuser> hello, im haveing some issues with the gnome panel
[19:11] <L3top> I am still thinking alexThunder. Have not forgotten you. I simply don't understand how your xorg.conf defined module is being ignored. THat shouldn't ever happen. That was my best guess... and... I am a bit stumped where to go from here... I have to clean a bit before wife gets home... so I will ponder.
[19:12] <hp__> http://pastebin.com/Z0aPvXU6   can someone explain me this , or what is wrong with it ?
[19:12] <alexThunder> kk
[19:12] <Payl> this upgrade takes forever...
[19:13] <superuser> er. error message. http://pastebin.com/2HpscqhA
[19:13] <[snake]> how to erase(write zeroes over) free space?
[19:14] <zoumzoum16> !paste
[19:15] <irpapabear> snake use bleachbit
 it looks like all the same modules are loaded both before and after. I did find out more information. With ethernet cable unplugged:  If I do ifconfig wlan0 up then do sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart  it freezes and eventually does not start the network (in this case it is doing the same thing is does when I boot up). However, if I do sudo ifconfig wlan0, then plug in the ethernet cable, then do sudo /etc/init.d/network
[19:16] <ClientAlive> ing restart  i
 t fires right up and connects to the wireless. In that latter case, it connects to the wireless even though the ethernet cable is still plugged in. Then I can unplug the enthernet cable and still be connected wirelessly (unless I reboot). Does anyone have a clue where to look for the problem?
[19:16] <addos> hi, how do I manually unmount a usb drive in ubuntu 12.04. Everytime I try, it remounts
[19:16] <FloodBot1> ClientAlive: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:16] <Payl> seems liks xserver got updated too.
[19:16] <IdleOne> [snake]: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=1M
[19:16] <IdleOne> Replace "/dev/hda" with your hard drive name. http://www.ehow.com/how_5094973_write-zeros-hard-drive-linux.html
[19:16] <superuser> L3top: http://pastebin.com/2HpscqhA
[19:17] <ClientAlive> I'm sorry, I don't know how else to tell what is going on.
[19:18] <iGNUrar> hi all, how to remove a service from default boot service?
[19:18] <[snake]> IdleOne, thanks!
[19:19] <viju> Hi
[19:19] <viju> What are minimal requirements of Precise ?
[19:19] <usern4me> bind9 starts fine if i use 'service bind9 start' but it doesn't start when i reboot.  where do i change what services start at boot from CLI?
[19:20] <xangua> !requirements | viju
[19:20] <nothingspecial>  #ubuntu-beginners
[19:20] <Payl> upgrade done finally
[19:20] <usern4me> i'm familar with gentoo rc-update command.  what is ubuntu's equivolent?
[19:20] <L3top> alexThunder: apt-cache policy fglrx | grep stalled
[19:20] <[snake]> IdleOne, the page says that the command overwrites all the things. so maybe this is a good time to backup, and possibly install a later version of Ubuntu afterwards.
[19:21] <viju> thanks
[19:21] <ClientAlive> addos: on the command line - enter "dmesg | tail" and look for the device label. It will be something like /dev/sdi or something. Then, if you don't already have a place you want to mount it, create a directory somewhere (in /mnt would be fine). Then you can run mount /dev/<label of device> /mnt/<name of directory>
[19:21] <Payl> Dr_Willis, should i restart after i've done this command?
[19:21] <Payl> i mean install
[19:21] <addos> ClientAlive: it is automounted, I want to unmount it
[19:22] <addos> everytime I try, it remounts
[19:22] <IdleOne> [snake]: that command will destroy all the data on the drive. Yes, a backup is a good idea
[19:22] <L3top> usern4me: update-rc.d scriptname defaults  or update-rc.d -lf scriptname remove are common uses to add a script in /etc/init.d to runlevels or remove them.
[19:22] <ClientAlive> addos: umount does not work?
[19:22] <addos> no
[19:22] <addos> it immediately remounts
[19:22] <usern4me> L3top, thanks
[19:22] <addos> which is keeping me from formatting the media
[19:22] <ClientAlive> that's about the extent of my knowledge. sorry
[19:23] <addos> older ubuntu versions let me unmount the media
[19:23] <Payl> L3top, i've done steps advised by Dr_Willis, startx still errors with 'no screens found', should i install your drivers?
[19:23] <Payl> or restart to test or wat...
[19:23] <bekks> addos: umount never remounts. What exactly is happening?
[19:23] <hp__> how to install a driver on the command line for intel 82865g integrated graphics controller ?
[19:23] <daniel___> espanish  ,  waht  chanel ?
[19:23] <addos> umount must not be doing the mounting
[19:23] <Dr_Willis> Payl:  a reboot may be called for. but im out of ideas if that dosent help
[19:24] <Payl> ok then lets try
[19:24] <daniel___> aki pueden ayudar en español tambien ?
[19:24] <xangua> daniel___: #ubuntu-es
[19:24] <addos> I sudo unmount, and then I look at mount, and it is mounted
[19:24] <ClientAlive> addos: I wonder if there is some kind of filter somewhere that makes it look for that device label and mount it. Or what about in fstab? Is there a line in fstab that mounts it?
[19:24] <daniel___> gracias xangua
[19:24] <bekks> addos: Then it wasnt umounted.
[19:24] <addos> uh, it must have been
[19:24] <bekks> No, why?
[19:24] <addos> unity acts like I freshly remounted the drive
[19:24] <bekks> addos: Just because you want it? :)
[19:24] <L3top> strongly recommend it Payl. I think it is the only way its gonna go.
[19:24] <addos> no, unity behaves like it was remounted
[19:25] <addos> like I ejected and plugged the drive back in
[19:25] <addos> ok like it unmounts and immediately remounts
[19:25] <Payl> L3top, will try it if it fails now, i'm rebooting
[19:25] <superuser> can anyone help? http://pastebin.com/2HpscqhA
[19:25] <Payl> woah it works
[19:25] <Payl> :P
[19:26] <L3top> what worked Payl?
[19:26] <Payl> L3top, upgrading startx
[19:26] <Payl> and then installing intel drivers
[19:27] <Payl> Dr_Willis, L3top, thanks a lot, wouldn't find answer myself :)
[19:28]  * L3top wonders why they werent installed already... also sort of thinks you had the server install cd now
[19:28] <hp__> when i do "lspci" it reads the intel controller , but does it also mean it works ?
[19:28] <hp__> or is it only reading the hardware
[19:28] <AaronMT> What was that community-based device testing software from ubuntu called?
[19:29] <greenit> hi, i have a question regarding wine... where shall i ask it best? i'll get kicked when i want to join the wine-channel, it says invite only...
[19:31] <aLeSD|> greenit: register your nick
[19:31] <genii-around> greenit: Are you trying #winehq channel?
[19:31] <alexThunder> L3top: it doesn't give me any output
[19:32] <hp__> in my x11/xorg.conf its says section device. nvidia .  thats my old card i have now a onboard card , how do i deal with it
[19:32] <L3top> alexThunder: lets keep the xorg.conf you have, uninstall the catalyst driver you installed from ati, and use the repos to sudo apt-get install fglrx
[19:33] <L3top> alexThunder: first run the same command using fglrx-updates
[19:34] <greenit> genii-around, oh, thx^^
[19:34] <L3top> wait alexThunder it gives NO output? I wasn't thinking it should definitely give SOME output...
[19:34] <L3top> whether or not it is installed
[19:35] <L3top> apt-cache policy fglrx | grep stall
[19:35] <alexThunder> now it says "none", but I already purged fglrx
[19:35] <L3top> ok...
[19:35] <alexThunder> ah
[19:36] <alexThunder> it didn't output anything because its in german
[19:36] <L3top> DOH
[19:36] <alexThunder> :X
[19:36]  * L3top makes mental note
[19:36] <L3top> oh crap... that means... oh wow... I need to look at some code.
[19:36] <TiZ> Okay, I almost have a displaylink setup up and working. The displaylink monitor is a new xinerama desktop to the right of my vga displays, and my vga displays... are clones of each other. What do I do?
[19:37] <alexThunder> btw, what does fglrx-updates actually do?
[19:38] <L3top> it is a slightly updated version of the fglrx driver.
[19:39] <L3top> it may not exist atm
[19:40] <alexThunder> k
[19:41] <alexThunder> so, should i still install fglrx-updates and then fglrx ?
[19:41] <alexThunder> (from the repos)
[19:41] <L3top> either or. I do not find fglrx-updates in the repo atm
[19:42] <L3top> !info fglrx-updates
[19:42] <L3top> but on my system it returns W: Unable to locate package fglrx-updates
[19:42] <L3top> !info fglrx
[19:43] <L3top> they both show the same version
[19:43] <L3top> So my guess is that there is not an updates currently
[19:43] <alexThunder> which catalyst might that be?
[19:44] <WindozeNT> hi
[19:44] <WindozeNT> What's the Ubuntu equivilent of chkdsk?
[19:45] <alexThunder> oh k, its 12.3
[19:45] <wizack> How do I show "Playing now" with CVLC?
[19:45] <TiZ> Okay, I almost have a displaylink setup up and working. The displaylink monitor is a new xinerama desktop to the right of my vga displays, and my vga displays... are clones of each other. What do I do?
[19:45] <WindozeNT> I have a hard drive that I think is seriously damaged.
[19:45] <L3top> WindozeNT: fsck
[19:45] <DJones> !fsck | WindozeNT
[19:46] <L3top> alexThunder: 12-4 and as expected... a reboot will be wanted.
[19:46] <WindozeNT> ok
[19:46] <alexThunder> ok, brb
[19:47] <WindozeNT> Does it work on an NTFS drive?
[19:48] <nyuszika7h> Is it normal that Ubuntu 12.10 says "Ubuntu 12.04 LTS"?
[19:48] <genii-around> WindozeNT: There is no reliable fsck.ntfs ... the best that can really be done is to just mark the filesystem clean when it's really not. Really best to do an actual Windows chkdsk on it
[19:49] <alexThunder> re
[19:49] <alexThunder> lspci -nnk | grep VGA -A2 still seems the same
[19:50] <L3top> can we try another aticonfig --initial
[19:50] <ska> My F1A55-M motherboard came back from ASUS. I thought it was a problem with the board but it only gets bad when I start the FGLRX driver for Xorg.
[19:50] <L3top> see if it cannot find
[19:50] <L3top> ska: lspci -nn | grep VGA
[19:50] <alexThunder> No supported adapters detected
[19:50] <ska> At that point, I can't use the system consoled F1-F7.. I can use them but they are all jumply.
[19:50] <GeorgeJ> Yo, folks.
[19:51] <ska> 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Device [1002:964a]
[19:51] <GeorgeJ> I'm trying to free up some space on my netbook, I'm all out of inodes.
[19:51] <GeorgeJ> Is /usr/src needed?
[19:51] <L3top> ska: update-pciids and go again please.
[19:52] <L3top> ska: what version of ubuntu are you on btw?
[19:52] <ska> 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI BeaverCreek [Radeon HD 6530D] [1002:964a]
[19:52] <ska> L3top: Thanks.
[19:53] <ska> L3top: Ubuntu 11.10 \n \l, xserver-xorg-core:2:1.10.4-1ubuntu4.2, Fglrg: 2:8.881-0ubuntu4.1
[19:53] <bjorkintosh> i have sound problems again. why won't alsa automatically use my usb card as a sink?
[19:53] <ska> L3top: Also, inside of Xorg, some lines on top are flickering/wonky..
[19:54] <|max|-> hey i run  sudo locale-gen fr_FR.UTF-8 and sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales but /etc/default/locale is empty
[19:54] <ska> When I shutdown Xorg/gdm evythinging in text mode is Aok.
[19:54] <hylian> i get this message: ati/amd proprietary fglrx driver or the same driver with (post-release updates)... which one should I pick?
[19:54] <L3top> bjorkintosh: you might have to make some changes to the asound.conf for that. Are you using pulse audio at all?
[19:54] <nyuszika7h> alexThunder, AMD dropped support for your card. Stick with the open source driver or install an older fglrx.
[19:54] <nyuszika7h> Happened to me too :(
[19:54] <alexThunder> huh?
[19:54] <alexThunder> it just came out
[19:55] <L3top> not on his version... absolutely incorrect.
[19:55] <nyuszika7h> It did?
[19:55] <nyuszika7h> Well, maybe it's *too new* card then
[19:55] <alexThunder> pitcairn is pretty new
[19:55] <Xaliave> Hello
[19:55] <ska> nyuszika7h: Was that message for me possibly?
[19:55] <L3top> the NEWEST catalyst has dropped support for the hd 2xxx-4xxx series
[19:55] <|max|-> user can help me ? :p
[19:55] <nyuszika7h> ska, what?
[19:56] <L3top> both ska and alexThunder are on HD6xxx +
[19:56] <ska> nyuszika7h: is MY FGLRX the wrong version?
[19:56] <L3top> ska NO.
[19:56] <ska> ok..
[19:56] <bjorkintosh> L3top, yes i am using pulse audio
[19:56] <bjorkintosh> and also jackd
[19:56] <alexThunder> isnt the 7970m based on the desktop 7870?
[19:56] <L3top> however it does not appear that your version is particularly happy either.
[19:56] <bjorkintosh> jackd isn't running now.
[19:57] <alexThunder> oh you said "+"
[19:57] <bjorkintosh> why do i need both alsa AND pulseaudio?
[19:57] <ska> L3top: Can I upgrade/downgrade to a happy place?
[19:57] <nyuszika7h> ska, I don't think I meant to say it to you
[19:57] <nyuszika7h> 21:50:42      alexThunder | No supported adapters detected
[19:57] <nyuszika7h> I replied to thaz
[19:57] <nyuszika7h> *that
[19:57] <trism> GeorgeJ: if you have linux-headers installed and are using modules built from dkms (such as the nvidia proprietary drivers, or similar), then yes, it is needed
[19:57] <ska> L3top: I can dist-upgrade
[19:57] <L3top> It is a hybrid graphics card in a laptop nyuszika7h. That is why it isnt found.
[19:58] <GeorgeJ> trism: It's a clean instalation. I've not installed anything extra.
[19:58] <GeorgeJ> Nor am I using extra drivers.
[19:58] <L3top> You can ska... I am not particularly familiar with your version of ubuntu. I do not know if there is a later version available... but that would be a good start... an update/dist-upgrade
[19:58] <ska> L3top: I had Ubuntu 12.04 64-bit and saw similar problems.
[19:58]  * nyuszika7h gives up
[19:58] <|max|-> hey i run  sudo locale-gen fr_FR.UTF-8 and sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales but /etc/default/locale is empty
[19:59] <GeorgeJ> trism: Is it safe to remove its contents?
[19:59] <L3top> ska:  unfortunately ati support is poo on linux. You might try upgrading to the most recent from ati by download, purging your current fglrx first.
[19:59] <Xaliave> When I go to install ubuntu, I get a menagerie of video errors, mostly flickering screens and the sort, I can use live CD's, how ever I can't click on anything after about a few seconds and I need to tab through windows. The only think I can get to work is an old livecd for 7.10, which once I try to install it, it either does the flickering thing or the clicking thing. Last night I tried installing Ubuntu with no success
[20:00] <L3top> !nomodeset | Xaliave you might give nomodeset a try.
[20:01] <bjorkintosh> L3top, i am indeed using both pulse and alsa. do i need both of them?
[20:01] <L3top> I don't know that it really applies to you Xaliave.
[20:02] <Xaliave> I tried that before with Grub, it worked up until the log in screen, at which point it was split weirdly, as if it thought my monitor ended where it didn't, and then it looped back to the other side
[20:03] <L3top> need is an interesting word bjorkintosh. I do not deal with pulse, at all. I specify everything in alsa directly... but I do not know that you would have my success doing so. I was asking purely because I know very little about pulse...  you might try installing pavucontrol
[20:03] <trism> GeorgeJ: can you pastebin: ls /usr/src; ? I am curious what is there (if it is just linux-headers and you aren't using them, you can install that package, but I wouldn't delete anything there manually)
[20:03] <trism> GeorgeJ: uninstall that is
[20:03] <GeorgeJ> trism: There's nothing else besides different versions of the linux kernel headers
[20:04] <GeorgeJ> Also, there seem to be different versions of it.
[20:04] <GeorgeJ> How would one uninstall the kernels one doesn't use?
[20:05] <Xaliave> Occasionally I'm able to get a command line, I'm not sure when it does it, seemingly when it wants to
[20:05] <Xaliave> At which point I can't run any graphical programs, I forget what error it comes up with
[20:05] <L3top> Xaliave: can you please pastebin the output of xrandr -q
[20:05] <Xaliave> I'm not on it now, it doesn't install
[20:06] <bjorkintosh> i do have pavucontrol installed.
[20:06] <bjorkintosh> it's still not straight forward. some devices insist on using alsa strictly.
[20:06] <JenniferB2> in try ubuntu from disc ... how do I open an "explorer" window as root again ?
[20:06] <bjorkintosh> JenniferB2, if it needs roots permission, it'll ask for a password.
[20:07] <wizack> How do I show streaming audio information from the terminal with VLC?
[20:07] <wizack> like artist, playing now, etc
[20:07] <trism> GeorgeJ: dpkg -l 'linux-image*'; to list them, sudo apt-get remove linux-image-VERSION; to uninstall them (replacing VERSION with the version string, which you can <tab> complete)
[20:08] <Xaliave> Are there known problems with the 6800? Fedora does a similar thing, as does Debian
[20:08] <trism> GeorgeJ: make sure you do not uninstall your current kernel, or any of the metapackages (the ones without a -VERSION at the end)
[20:08] <Xaliave> I can't find anything about it on google
[20:08] <L3top> my guess is this has more to do with your monitor than video card, and its inability to get EDID and guessing, poorly, at how to render output, or receiving the wrong EDID data, more likely
[20:08] <trism> GeorgeJ: you can do the same for the linux-headers packages if you don't need them
[20:08] <GeorgeJ> Great, awesome! Thanks trism.
[20:09] <L3top> JenniferB2: gksudo nautilis
[20:11] <delac> is it possible to have syntax highlight on SELECTED text in gedit? Has anyone seen such theme that would enable this?
[20:12] <L3top> oh alexThunder can you pastebin your xorg.conf. I want to see if it was changed by the fglrx install
[20:12] <alexThunder> just a minute
[20:12] <alexThunder> L3top: http://pastebin.com/6YJEc9ET
[20:12] <Xaliave> I had ubuntu installed for a while on a completely different computer with a different monitor, and that worked. The monitor I currently have is a Acer H203H the older one is a gateway thing, not sure what model it is
[20:13] <L3top> alexThunder: you can also look at the /etc/X11 dir... it would have backed it up as something you didnt.
[20:13] <danub> what is the command for opening a terminal?
[20:13] <Guest55399> gnome-terminal
[20:13] <JenniferB2> bjorkintosh: thats  not what I asked .. and no.. it doesnt ... L3top: thansk ;)
[20:13] <delac> gnome-terminal
[20:13] <L3top> Xaliave: without you being on the machine I cannot give support or troubleshoot I am sorry.
[20:14] <L3top> Xaliave: if you can just load any live ubuntu cd, without even installing, I could help.
[20:14] <guntbert> JenniferB2: a warning seems appropriate: running nautilus with root permissions is seldom necessary and always dangerous
[20:15] <alexThunder> L3top: i didn't create xorg.conf.failsafe, but i think it was there before
[20:15] <JenniferB2> guntbert: I need to copy files from one disk to antoher before reformatting and reinstalling
[20:15] <L3top> JenniferB2: guntbert is right... but... as you are on a live disk... I dont see too much harm... and that is why it doesnt prompt for a pass btw
[20:16] <L3top> JenniferB2: that would best be solved in terminal... using rsync or something similar.
[20:16] <JenniferB2> L3top: I was blocked because of disc permissions
[20:16] <Xaliave> Alright, I'll try and find one, It works when I unplug the graphics cards PCI and just use my onboard graphics card from my motherboard, so I'll try another mouse, see if that solves the clicking
[20:16] <guntbert> JenniferB2: ah I overlooked the "live CD" part :) but ^^
[20:16] <Xaliave> it might work
[20:16] <Xaliave> thanks
[20:18] <JenniferB2> copying is preparing ... :D i dont think you ever get a root permission request when trying to access files as a user different from the user registered for that user unless it is specified it is root... if it is another user owning them, I dont think the root password thing comes up.. that is why I believe in this case the root nautilus works and the other not
[20:18] <ska> L3top: thanks for the help.
[20:19] <hylian> I really like unity, but I can't find a menu with a list of all my installed apps on it... is there another solution besides going to gnome in classic mode to get that menu back, or something like it? I need the menu to be quickly reachable too.
[20:20] <L3top> alexThunder: can you change line 132 Device          "Card0"  to Card1  and remove lines 51-58 concerning Monitor1 and reboot again (sorry... I know rebooting sucks but... this is just one of those cases where reloading is rarely sufficient)
[20:21] <guntbert> hylian: open the dash, select the apps lense and beside "installed " click on "see ... more"
[20:21] <alexThunder> kk, brb
[20:22] <hylian> guntbert: i know of that, but that's in a big jumble. looking for the same organized menu feel that gnome classic had...?
[20:23] <guntbert> hylian: no idea then, sorry
[20:23] <L3top> JenniferB2: on live boot you are never prompted for password. There simpy isnt one.
[20:23] <hylian> guntbert: for now I have been running xfce4-panel, running what i want, and then killing the panel, but that is kinda clunky...
[20:24] <alexThunder> L3top: x doesn't work - again :/
[20:24] <L3top> I thought that might be the case. It REALLY wants to use that intel... change line 132 (well it will be something else now... like 124) back to Card0
[20:25] <baazigar> Hello, which plugin should i download if a gaming site on chrome says no plugin available to display this content? Adobe flash player?
[20:25] <hylian> anyone else know of a way to keep unity, but have the organized gnome-ish menu? (or something very similar?
[20:25] <trism> hylian: could try: https://launchpad.net/classicmenu-indicator
[20:25] <guntbert> hylian: well, remember how often an app was in a completely unexpected sub-menu, I can get by without the menues ...
[20:25] <alexThunder> mh, can nano display line numbers? ^^
[20:25] <hylian> guntbert: thanks, I think I'll try that!
[20:25] <L3top> baazigar: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[20:25] <baazigar> Is there any plugin other than adobe plugin?
[20:26] <guntbert> hylian: that was trism :)
[20:26] <baazigar> for ubuntu?
[20:26] <L3top> alexThunder: it is under Section "Screen"
[20:26] <alexThunder> ok
[20:26] <alexThunder> brb
[20:27] <L3top> oh.. well yes... but if flash wont run it, and it is a flash game... then you are pretty much SOL... though there are flash alternatives... their main benefit is that they are free open source... not MORE compatable.
[20:27] <L3top> baazigar: ^
[20:27] <baazigar> L3top, I read reviews for adobe plugin and it says it shows blue people while rendering
[20:28] <alexThunder> and returned again
[20:29] <L3top> baazigar: there is a fix for that... but... you can try gnash or lightspark... (I think it is lightspark... I always get them confused)
[20:29] <Pici> baazigar: if you disable hardware rendering in the flash preferences it will work fine.
[20:29] <baazigar> L3top, ok i wanted to make sure if adobe is the best for ubuntu or not, thanks.
[20:30] <L3top> I would not say that it is best... at all... I am saying it works with more flash content than the others baazigar. It comes with its own host of problems.