[08:35] <zxmpi> today's the day that people remember that curlywurly still exist as they open their first selction box of crimbo :-P
[09:53] <davef> Today is the day that I've already accumulated 8hrs of on-call overtime
[09:53] <davef> And now back to bed
[10:05] <knightwise> Hey everyone
[10:05] <knightwise> heyhey
[11:53] <daftykins> \o
[11:53] <daftykins> 27 mins to the James Webb launch - https://youtu.be/7nT7JGZMbtM
[12:20] <penguin42> https://www.esa.int/ESA_Multimedia/ESA_Web_TV  James Webb launch T-30s
[15:34] <davef> And I missed it. I set an alarm but sleepy dave turned it off before awake dave could get out of bed.
[15:36] <davef> When you think of spaceflight, you don't think of France.
[16:28] <penguin42> ESA have been around doing Ariane for a long tiem
[16:29] <zxmpi> very boring, very unexciting, good science
[16:30] <zxmpi> and they're doing a bit of a shakeup next year to put a reuseable rocket on the table aiui
[16:34]  * penguin42 is now out of crumpets
[16:35]  * zxmpi contacts french air force and orders an airdrop of croissants
[16:36] <penguin42> that'll do
[16:38] <davef> no chocolatines? .. you may know it as pain aux chocolate
[16:38] <davef> also, might as well throw in some cheese croissants
[16:38] <zxmpi> aldi was all out
[16:39] <penguin42> davef: I'll take the pain aux chocolate but you can keep the cheese thanks
[16:40] <davef> they also do almond here, as well as raspberry .. all good
[16:40] <zxmpi> waiting for the wensleydale when wallace and grommit come on? :-)
[16:40] <davef> watched 'a grand day out' last night with the kids
[16:46] <penguin42> davef: We get ones with sultanas
[16:46] <penguin42> (wound the other way, thin/flat)
[20:42] <davef> yay, a vSphere cluster is down
[20:43] <davef> It's been eventful. Network went down at one of our APAC datacenters, causing a bunch of our storage to go read-only and VMs to have disk errors. And now I just got paged for a server down, only to find the whole site/cluster is fubar.
[20:44] <penguin42> yeh, network taking out storage is a fairly common way to lose a VM cluster
[20:44] <davef> My favourite one is a server running out of storage, because somebody left a sync & build running over the Christmas weekend.
[20:45] <davef> I've been paged three times for the same server. yey
[20:45] <davef> Anyway.. 11hrs on-call pay and counting.
[20:45] <davef> Plus another 4 on top of that for it being Xmas day
[20:47] <penguin42> davef: No redundent networking on the VMs?
[20:47] <davef> It's supposed to be
[20:48] <davef> But the network fault for some reason took out the entire storage cluster at the DC
[20:48] <penguin42> hmm
[20:48] <davef> My guess, one of the leaf switches took a shit and wasn't noticed until the other failed.
[20:49] <penguin42> yeh that's one to ask the DC wtf they did
[20:49] <davef> there will be an incident report published shortly.
[20:49] <penguin42> reindeer vs network
[21:02] <zxmpi> should try and make a crimbo cat 6 cable from tinsel :-D
[21:03] <penguin42> probably have more success running DSL over it
[21:06] <davef> DSL does work over wet string.. https://www.revk.uk/2017/12/its-official-adsl-works-over-wet-string.html
[21:06] <davef> 3.5Mbps, faster than some copper.
[21:08] <penguin42> yeh that's what made me think of it
[21:14] <zxmpi> ok, make it easy then, cat 5 over christmas tree lights :-P
[21:14] <zxmpi> bonus points if you can tell the segment is busy by the flicker
[21:14] <davef> suppose I should pre-heat the oven
[21:15] <davef> I may be alone this evening, but dang it, I'm still gonna have a turkey dinner.
[21:16] <zxmpi> turkey... pigeon... it all counts :-P


[09:37]  * rtgz is unhappy. IPv6 link with HE down :(
[11:41] <duanedesign> good day rtgz
[11:41] <rtgz> duanedesign, good day :)
[11:47] <duanedesign> rtgz: you live in Ukraine ?
[11:48] <rtgz> duanedesign, yup :)
[11:48] <duanedesign> rtgz: ahh. you have an election coming up.
[11:50] <rtgz> duanedesign, well... umm... The elections... It is more that we elect the future image of the president, not underlying program.
[11:51] <rtgz> duanedesign, btw, re INTERNAL_ERRORs - removed madwifi source tree an hour ago, waiting for it to complete its removal :)
[11:55] <duanedesign> rtgz: nice. I was going to say i had a couple of bug reports i made notes of that had 'DEBUG' logs if you needed them
[11:56] <rtgz> duanedesign, i am now reinstalling my lucid lynx vm so that I will have a more or less clean room with sufficient disk space. 2Gb of hard disk space is way too low for development environment
[11:56] <rtgz> duanedesign, btw, that evolution bug - it is already fixed in 2.29
[11:57] <duanedesign> yeah. I have been playing with LXC 'containers' seems it will a nice way to run Ubuntu within Ubuntu instead of KVM
[11:58] <duanedesign> rtgz: nice work on the Evolution bug \o/
[12:00] <rtgz> duanedesign, I got UML version running, but, since GDM in karmic and up does not provide any means not to start X server on boot, it requires some tweaks. Moreover, it needs manual kernel installation which is not that hard but I can't just grab ubuntu UML kernel and run Lucid with it...
[12:06] <rtgz> and UML kernel for lucid needs several patches from upstream kernel to be able to run...
[12:07] <rtgz> LXC... hm...
[12:31] <rtgz> ... and I need the wired connection so that I can bridge virtual machines, since WPA does not seem to play well with bridged interfaces
[15:03] <vds> hello hello Desktop+ MEETING BEGINS, you know how it works
[15:03] <teknico> I don't, what's that?
[15:04] <vds> CardinalFang Chipaca dobey jblount rodrigo_ rtgz teknico
[15:04] <rodrigo_> me
[15:05] <CardinalFang> me
[15:06] <jblount> me
[15:06] <rtgz> me
[15:06] <teknico> met meg'n'mel, meh
[15:07] <CardinalFang> ia ia!
[15:08] <CardinalFang> Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
[15:08] <CardinalFang> O hai, rmc.
[15:08] <rtgz> ubottu, translate CardinalFang
[15:09] <rodrigo_> CardinalFang, welsh?
[15:11] <CardinalFang> Ha.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulhu  Welsh, or the language of the Ancient Ones. It looked like teknico knew it.
[15:11] <teknico> not me, no :-)
[15:12] <teknico> it wanted to be english :-)
[15:13] <rodrigo_> :)
[15:14] <rodrigo_> ok, I'll start then
[15:14] <rodrigo_> • DONE: oauthdesktop usage in music store widget.
[15:14] <rodrigo_> • TODO: Conflict resolver tool in pair tool. Make sandy's snowy test suite work with our server (http://git.gnome.org/cgit/snowy/tree/api/tests.py). Discuss with jdo and aquarius about oauth token per app, not per machine? Add jslint tests to check. Remove autosave code in notes web editor. U1 client adds back button to pages. U1 client interrogates library page to update download progress. geoip detection on server to forward to appro
[15:14] <rodrigo_> priate store
[15:14] <rodrigo_> • BLOCKED: no
[15:14] <rodrigo_> CardinalFang, go Cthulhu go
[15:15] <CardinalFang> DONE: installed music-store widget/plugin.  started investigating widget view-panel wonkiness.
[15:15] <CardinalFang> TODO: desktopcouch replication database exclusion.  store-widget view panel
[15:15] <CardinalFang> BLOCKED: None
[15:15] <CardinalFang> jblount, having come down from the mountain, tell us what you have to say.
[15:16] <jblount> DONE: Broke my lucid upgrade, reverted vm, figured out wifi at the cafe we're at
[15:16] <jblount> TODO: Work on search page, finish it.
[15:16] <jblount> BLOCKED: Nope
[15:16] <jblount> rtgz: GOGOGO
[15:16] <rtgz> DONE: Debugged Evolution backup behavior in Ubuntu%20One folder, turned out to be a duplicate.
[15:16] <rtgz> TODO: Investigate INTERNAL_ERRORs for FreeSpaceInquiry, as always they are gone when I got to them. Write more bug reports. Test PPA on lucid. Update diagnose client with something.
[15:16] <rtgz> BLOCK: none
[15:16] <rtgz> teknico: @ubuntuone$ _
[15:17] <teknico> DONE: made a branch to fix the phone setup web interface, with vds; some bug triage
[15:17] <teknico> TODO: more bug triage; more fixing the phone setup web interface; fix a user's problems accessing the contacts web IU (#506584)
[15:17] <teknico> BLOCK: none
[15:17] <teknico> next: vds
[15:17] <vds> DONE: client configuration branch up for review, started a new branch to fix a problem with the way we store phone numbers in our db
[15:17] <vds> TODO: propose the new branch
[15:17] <vds> BLOCKED: waiting for reviewers to review my last branch, reviewers plesae don;t be shy! :)
[15:18] <vds> EOM I guess, thanks!
[15:21] <rtgz> so
[15:21] <duanedesign> just came acros a bug report for: u1sync fails initializing non ascii directory
[15:21] <rtgz> who broke the notes?
[15:21] <rtgz> OOPS-ID-1494appserver71982
[15:23] <rtgz> yup, broken for both accounts - testing and live
[15:23] <rodrigo_> rtgz, what error does it show?
[15:23]  * rodrigo_ can't remember the password
[15:24] <rtgz> http://buzz.rtg.in.ua/ubuntuone-server-error.png
[15:25]  * rtgz needs to make normal www layout on his laptop...
[15:26] <rtgz> rodrigo_, ^
[15:27] <rodrigo_> rtgz, and on the oops server?
[15:28] <rtgz> rodrigo_, A username and password are being requested by https://lp-oops.canonical.com. The site says: "warthogs"...
[15:28] <rodrigo_> rtgz, ah, sorry, I thought you had access to it
[15:28] <rtgz> rodrigo_, https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=OOPS-ID-1494appserver71982
[15:29] <rtgz> rodrigo_, it is now ok...
[15:29] <rtgz> hm...
[15:29] <rodrigo_> oh
[15:30] <rtgz> grrr, sorry for alarming...
[15:30] <rtgz> but that was not the original intention when I went to /notes/
[15:31] <rtgz> so, to put it short, firefox drops "secure" status once a note is selected for view/editing.
[15:31] <rtgz> This is happening because there is an external resource served via plain HTTP
[15:32] <rtgz> http://yui.yahooapis.com/2.8.0r4/build/connection/connection-min.js
[15:33] <rtgz> is it already reported against ubuntuone-servers ?
[15:33]  * rtgz sets response timeout to 5 mins, if no reponse received then a bug is reported :)
[15:36] <rodrigo_> rtgz, not that I know, so report it
[15:36] <rodrigo_> rtgz, worst case, it will be marked as duplicate :D
[15:37] <rmcbride__> rtgz: what rodrigo_ said. I just verified the behavior here too
[15:38] <rtgz> rmcbride, rodrigo_, it is not that critical, but the browser will warn about loading files over an insecure connection, which will trigger users' questions
[15:38] <rtgz> note editing is still broken :'-(
[15:44] <rodrigo_> rtgz, on the web? yes :(
[15:52] <rtgz> btw
[15:53] <rtgz> Bug 490812 - I was unable to make Chromium break UbuntuOne...
[16:04] <rtgz> duanedesign, I believe I know what is happening with bug #505402
[16:05] <rtgz> duanedesign, NetworkManager is not always able to control the network. I.e. if the network is started behind its back (simply because NM can not create it, as with this wimax driver), Network manager appears to be running and it does not detect any network.
[16:06] <rtgz> duanedesign, when ubuntuone queries NM "Are we connected?". NM says "Nope". And UbuntuOne sits waiting for network connection.
[16:07] <rtgz> What may be needed, indeed, is to control whether u1 should listen to NM or  not. I.e. [ ] Work offline in firefox (you can force it to be online) or gconf key in Empathy that controls whether connection managers should be queried
[16:09] <rtgz> dobey, currently if no NM is running then U1 connects anyway; But if it IS running then things get more complicated
[16:09] <rtgz> duanedesign, not dobey, sorry :)
[16:10] <duanedesign> rtgz: yes i am pretty well at a loss for the ones left ther. Thank you for taking a look, and thank you for educating me on posible causes
[16:10] <duanedesign> i have moved over to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-client/+bugs
[16:10] <duanedesign> and am taking care of some of those :)
[16:12] <rtgz> duanedesign, I will update that wimax bug report
[16:12] <rtgz> duanedesign, ah
[16:12] <rtgz> duanedesign, i have already commented it :)
[16:13] <duanedesign> rtgz: oh yeah i saw that. You recommended terminating Network Manager
[16:16] <duanedesign> also Bug 501493 i was not able to reproduce without nautilus being open
[16:18] <duanedesign> bug 472630 the OP provided additional logs in DEBUG but nothing catches my attention. Might be one for someone more knowledgable than i to look at
[16:18] <duanedesign> oh nope
[16:18] <duanedesign> those logs were provided by someone else, lol
[16:29] <pygi> hi people :)
[16:29] <pygi> quick question
[16:29] <pygi> did anyone consider GSoC this year yet? :)
[16:32] <rtgz> duanedesign, i think bug 501493 _is_ related to bug 491777, one does not really need to have Nautilus to be opened _just_ then. The DBus callback will operate on the cached data which may or may not be cleaned up by nautilus at that time.
[16:33] <rtgz> duanedesign, but i can't really say much about the files disappear and reappear, this is not handled in ubuntuone plugin for nautilus for sure.
[16:49] <duanedesign> rtgz: interesting..
[17:01] <rtgz> wow. A bug day?
[17:49] <rtgz> joshuahoover, i don't think #516140 is a dup of #455544. The bug report is about the server side uid, not some kind of a problem with bandwidth settings
[17:49] <rtgz> bug #516140
[17:50] <rtgz> bug #455544
[17:51] <rtgz> WOW
[17:52] <rtgz> joshuahoover, http://buzz.rtg.in.ua/~rtg/Ubuntu_One_Files.png
[17:52] <rtgz> joshuahoover, just removed one file in the directory
[17:52] <joshuahoover> rtgz: you are correct...i didn't have a chance to review the bugs yet marked by the script looking for candidates of common dupes
[17:53] <rtgz> joshuahoover, ok, I will un-dup it and add the info I gathered :)
[17:53] <joshuahoover> rtgz: thanks!
[17:54] <joshuahoover> rtgz: not sure what you're trying to show in that screenshot
[17:54] <rtgz> joshuahoover, look at the files
[17:54] <rtgz> joshuahoover, i mean the filenames
[17:55] <rtgz> joshuahoover, this appeared when I removed one file in the directory.
[17:55] <joshuahoover> rtgz: you removed one file in the testing directory? not sure i follow
[17:55] <rtgz> joshuahoover, the file list does not seem to be cleaned up properly after item removal so duplicate file entries appear
[17:56] <joshuahoover> rtgz: the test.txt~ file?
[17:57] <joshuahoover> rtgz: ok, i'm seeing it now
[17:57] <rtgz> joshuahoover, I will capture this on video so that nobody will need to grep through the file names. All files that left in the directory got 3 twins
[17:57] <joshuahoover> rtgz: it's not apparent right away because we truncate those filenames so much
[17:58] <rtgz> joshuahoover, yep, there's a bug for that as well :)
[17:58] <joshuahoover> rtgz: yeah...ok, this dupe thing i haven't seen before...and it goes away after you refresh or no?
[17:58] <rtgz> joshuahoover, yes, it is just a client-side view problem, I guess
[18:00] <joshuahoover> rtgz: ok, strange that we haven't seen this reported before...or maybe we have and i marked it as a dupe of another (unrelated) bug! ;)
[18:01] <rtgz> joshuahoover, with 2Gb space nobody needs to remove anything :)
[18:01] <joshuahoover> rtgz: heh
[18:03] <duanedesign> ha ha
[18:09] <rtgz> joshuahoover, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn7JmkUI-GQ
[18:09] <rtgz> I think this is rather bad bug, since it causes a) visible distortion of the data, b) makes user wonder about whether it is he or the system
[18:10] <joshuahoover> rtgz: cool, that might be very popular on youtube...maybe homepage material ;)
[18:10] <joshuahoover> rtgz: what did you use for the screen capture? wink? something else?
[18:10] <rtgz> joshuahoover, recordmydesktop via frontend gtk-recordmydesktop :)
[18:11] <joshuahoover> rtgz: i haven't tried that before, i've heard/read about it, just never tried it...i'll have to try it out
[18:12] <rtgz> joshuahoover, it is nice and unobtrusive, just 'record my desktop' and nothing extra aka buttons, slides, etc. :)
[18:13] <duanedesign> rtgz: i had trouble with record my desktop and compiz
[18:13] <rtgz> duanedesign, I am running w/ compiz enabled at the moment
[18:13] <duanedesign> rtgz: nice, i will have to try again.
[18:14] <duanedesign> its been a few months since i gave it a go
[18:14] <duanedesign> you guys hold the fort down ;) gotta run a few errands
[18:14] <rtgz> duanedesign, you will need to perform full shots at every frame and  set --no-frame so that the frame does not get displayed for the video
[18:14] <duanedesign> cool
[18:14] <duanedesign> thanks for the tip. Putting it in a tomboy note
[18:30] <jblount> rtgz: That is a crazy bug (the one you posted to youtube)
[18:32] <rtgz> jblount, erm... does that mean I need to remove the video?
[18:33] <jblount> rtgz: No, the video is great, I meant that it's alarming (but not all that harmful). :)
[18:34] <rtgz> jblount, ah, 'cause first joshuahoov-r said "cool, that might be very popular on youtube...maybe homepage material ;)" now you... I thought I did something wrong :)
[18:35]  * rtgz needs to find a decent ogg/theora video hosting
[18:39] <jblount> rtgz: You can upload .ogv to lp with the bug, I've done that before.
[18:40] <rtgz> jblount, hm....
[18:40] <rtgz> video.launchpad.net :)
[18:41]  * jblount puts it on his lp wishlist ;)
[18:44] <rtgz> heh, it needs to be scaled then... In case I upload it w/o any modifications
[18:46] <jblount> It'd be cool if you upload images or video and they are displayed inline with your comment on the page. I have a similar idea with previewing of content on one.ubuntu.com/files/
[18:47] <mandel> rtgz, jblount, you've tickle my curiosity, can I see the view?
[18:47] <mandel> I meant video...
[18:48] <rtgz> mandel, video is now available through Launchpad Video service ( http://launchpadlibrarian.net/38671619/LP516140%20-%20Web%20interface%20for%20ubuntu%20one%20shows%20multiple%20copies%20of%20files%20after%20delete.ogv ) and Youtube ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn7JmkUI-GQ :)
[18:50] <mandel> rtgz, whoa, thats funny hehe
[18:50] <jblount> Heh, "Launchpad Video Service"
[18:54] <mandel> I've got to say, I'm really impress with the view video idea, great way to show a visual bug
[18:55] <jblount> mandel: Agreed. rtgz found a good way to get more exposure for his bugs :)
[18:55] <rtgz> jblount, hey, I am not the original bug reporter and I can't take credit for the bug itself :-P
[18:56] <mandel> rtgz, dunnot talk you down, we are like 3 community guys here are you are the one that finds the must bugs ;)
[18:57] <rtgz> mandel, I wish I could find them before they appear...
[18:58] <mandel> rtgz, well, I think you are doing a great job so no need to worry :D
[18:58] <mandel> rtgz, look at me, I just program and file one or two bugs max
[18:58] <rtgz> mandel, I think that it is not that I find the most bugs, it is just I alarm a lot here :)
[18:59] <mandel> rtgz, not bad, is the best place to do it
[19:00] <rtgz> guys, those who are running lucid lynx - is there any rationale behind icon removal for all menus ?
[19:08] <rtgz> http://www.osnews.com/story/21935/GNOME_To_Drop_Icons_in_Buttons_Menus
[19:08] <rtgz> awesome
[20:04] <ibboT> aquarius: as is typical with these things, the problem has gone away (if you haven't guessed I'm Tom Ibbotson)
[20:05] <aquarius> ibboT, heya!
[20:05] <aquarius> ibboT, strange. Did you do anything specific to fix it?
[20:05] <aquarius> sometimes the fairies just fix it overnight :)
[20:06] <ibboT> aquarius: no, I just got back from work, checked to see if I still had the problem and I didn't
[20:06] <aquarius> ibboT, those darn fairies again :)
[20:06] <aquarius> ibboT, from the sound of it, d-bus wasn't starting couchdb, which is strange
[20:06] <aquarius> if you do the D-Bus call again, does it now give you a port number rather than an error/
[20:06] <ibboT> aquarius: yes. I do still however have the problem that my desktop-couch database is not syncing via ubuntuone
[20:07] <aquarius> ibboT, ah, if it's not syncing, that's easier to fix.
[20:07] <aquarius> ibboT, can you look in the management database in futon and see if there's a paired-server record for Ubuntu One?
[20:08] <ibboT> yep it gives me the port number
[20:08] <aquarius> (stop me if I'm assuming too much knowledge on your part here and you'd like me to break it down a but, but I got the impression that you're pretty au fait with Couch)
[20:09] <ibboT> aquarius: no, I've fiddled with it, but I'll ask if I don't understand
[20:10] <ibboT> aquarius: ok I can see a _design/ubuntu_one_pair_record
[20:11] <ibboT> aquarius: and also a record with a service_name key and value: ubuntuone
[20:12] <aquarius> ibboT, ah, that's a view to find the pair record, not the pair record itself
[20:13] <aquarius> the records in management don't have very useful names, but if you look through the ones with weird IDs (9a7dc97cad7cab09c7a09ca7c0a etc), there should be one with service_name "ubuntuone"
[20:13] <ibboT> aquarius: yeah found that
[20:14] <aquarius> ibboT, right, so you *have* a pairing record, which suggests that couch should be paired with U1
[20:14] <ibboT> aquarius: ok, so I've checked the computer I'm trying to sync with and I have a pairing record there too
[20:14] <aquarius> ibboT, do you have $HOME/.cache/desktop-couch/log/desktop-couch-replication.log ?
[20:15] <ibboT> aquarius: yes, didn't when I checked this morning, but I do now
[20:17] <aquarius> ibboT, does it contain anything that looks sensibly like either (a) replication attempts or (b) errors? :)
[20:18] <aquarius> (be careful pastebinning that file; it contains secret data like your tokens that should not be public, so don't just cut and paste it into a pastebin)
[20:19] <ibboT> aquarius: what exactly should I paste? having a hard time deciphering it
[20:20] <aquarius> ibboT, if you look at it, there'll be lines like:
[20:20] <aquarius> asking 'http://localhost:37499/' to replicate {'url': 'https://couchdb.one.ubuntu.com/u%2F3c5%2F9dc%2F21%2Fraindrop', 'auth': {'oauth': {'consumer_secret': 'hammertime', 'token': 'AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA', 'consumer_key': 'ubuntuone', 'token_secret': 'BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB'}}} to raindrop, using record {'source': {'url': 'https://couchdb.one.ubuntu.com/u%2F3c5%2F9dc%2F21%2Fraindrop', 'auth': {'oauth': {'consumer_secret': 'hammertime', 'token': 'CCCCC
[20:20] <aquarius> CCCCCCCCC', 'consumer_key': 'ubuntuone', 'token_secret': 'DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD'}}}, 'target': 'raindrop'}
[20:21] <aquarius> ibboT, it's the AAAAA BBBB CCCC DDDD bits that you need to not post
[20:21] <aquarius> ibboT, so, if you could copy the file into a text editor and search-and-replace those token bits for X's, you'll be safe to post the file
[20:21] <ibboT> aquarius: well it looks like it's asked to replicate the database I'm interested in
[20:21] <aquarius> (desktopcouch does this itself in the trunk release, but that's not packaged yet :))
[20:21] <ibboT> aquarius: k, I'll do that
[20:22] <aquarius> ibboT, OK. After the line about "asking SOMETHING to replicate { DATA }", there should be a "replicate result" line
[20:23] <ibboT> aquarius: yep
[20:23] <aquarius> ibboT, is it "status: 200"?
[20:23] <ibboT> aquarius: it is indeed
[20:24] <aquarius> OK, that means it successfllyreplicated...
[20:24] <aquarius> if you look above those lines, there'll be a thing saying "want to replipull 'dbname' from static host '934790347503' @ couchdb.one.ubutnu.com", I would think
[20:24] <aquarius> there should be both replipull and replipush lines
[20:25] <ibboT> aquarius: I guess the problem is probably on my other machine then...
[20:25] <aquarius> replipull means "copy stuff down from Ubuntu One to this machine", and replipush means "copy stuff on this machine up to Ubuntu One"
[20:25] <aquarius> so you can see each request that's made (both to push to Ubuntu One and to pull from Ubuntu One) and whether it was successful or not
[20:25] <ibboT> aquarius: ok, yeah I can see that
[20:26] <aquarius> that may help you to read the log on the other machine to see what's failing
[20:26] <ibboT> aquarius: ok yeah that was a replipush
[20:27] <ibboT> aquarius: I have a python traceback which says error: [Error 104] Connection reset by peer, but I can't tell yet whether it's relevant
[20:28] <aquarius> you'll occasionally see those, because of network blips. It shouldn't affect things, as replication will pick up next time -- if it happens every time then it's important, though :)
[20:28] <ibboT> aquarius: well my notes record has a 'status': '200'
[20:29] <aquarius> ok, so you should have a notes database on that computer?
[20:30] <ibboT> aquarius: yeah, but at no point is it trying to replipull the the database I'm interested in
[20:30] <aquarius> ibboT, ok, that's not supposed to happen, then
[20:31] <ibboT> aquarius: the database is called 'running' and there's no mention of it in the logs
[20:32] <aquarius> that suggests that when it gets the list of databases from ubuntu one, your db isn't in it. weird
[20:32] <aquarius> is there anything about fetching the database list?
[20:32] <aquarius> particularly about it failing?
[20:35] <ibboT> aquarius: are the tokens all the same string?
[20:36] <ibboT> aquarius: I'll search and replace them and pastebin
[20:36] <aquarius> ibboT, they should be :)
[20:40] <ibboT> aquarius: ok I've got rid of the 'token' and 'token_secret' anything else?
[20:41] <aquarius> ibboT, that should be fine, I think
[20:42] <ibboT> aquarius: ok, http://pastebin.com/m7fad28b5
[20:45]  * aquarius reads confusedly. Don't get why it isn't seeing your databsae
[20:45] <aquarius> ibboT, on the first machine, does it ever replipush the "running" database?
[20:46] <ibboT> aquarius: yes, and it gets back a status:200
[20:47] <aquarius> ibboT, this is the desktopcouch replication log from machine 2, yes/
[20:47] <aquarius> can you pastebin the log from machine1 as well?
[20:48] <aquarius> (again, replacing tokens)
[20:48] <ibboT> aquarius: just doing that now
[20:49] <ibboT> aquarius: http://pastebin.com/m382b8b88
[20:50] <aquarius> I know what some of the problem is
[20:50] <aquarius> see the dates in the log from machine 2
[20:50] <aquarius> 2009-11-26
[20:50] <aquarius> :-)
[20:50] <ibboT> aquarius: perhaps as I was having trouble with machine 1 this morning, and it has only started working.....
[20:50] <ibboT> aquarius: ah yes
[20:52] <ibboT> aquarius: so that begs the question: "why has it not tried to replicate since then?"
[20:52] <aquarius> it does indeed.
[20:52] <aquarius> has that machine been turned off at any point since then? :)
[20:53] <ibboT> aquarius: it gets turned on and off twice daily on the way to work and on the way back
[20:54] <aquarius> ok, so it's not that DC died once and hasn't been restarted
[20:54] <aquarius> mysterious.
[20:54] <aquarius> I have to disappear for an hour or so now, but I'll be back later if you're around then?
[20:54] <aquarius> it might be worth trying explicitly restarting DC on that machine (via the troubleshooting page's instructions)
[20:54] <ibboT> aquarius: maybe I'm off dancing, but might be on later, thanks for your help
[20:55] <aquarius> ibboT, no problem. We are closer to a solution, anyway :)
[20:55] <ibboT> aquarius: yeah I'll try that
[20:58] <ibboT> aquarius: that worked everything just synced
[20:59] <ibboT> aquarius: don't know why it didn't occur to me to do that in the first place
[21:49] <rtgz> finally, from IPv6. Either I am dumb or the router that sends the traffic over eth0.3 interface while keeping the address of ppp0 interface. If ppp0 is brought down then traffic starts to flow normally. If ppp is brought up again then everything is still working fine...


 @UniversalSuperBox, :D
 @mateosalta, yet another great lead, thank you for remembering and sharing !
 @padraic7a, well I want to, and I will, just that whatever was made at work I wont be sharing immediately. But I still have quite a bit of things to share in the pipeline. I havent touched my blog for months now, but I'm  going to gwt bacl to it over next 2 weeks
 @Fuseteam, just FYI there now is a term for that I see being tossed around: BYOD, for Bring Your Own Device. Much like what Samsung showed with S8 and Dex dock, when they run Ubuntu from the phone onto the external monitor: https://youtu.be/XPFemeuCTYg
 when I saw it first time I left them a comment:
 BYOD is about employees bringing their own hardware into the office, not about convergence
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/deQCRalv.png
 because they thought they had probably invented IDE on a pho e :D
 huh?
 @dohbee, thanks for clarifying, I didnt know, I saw it used on the Internet with the convergence
 because convergence fits into BYOD market. Just that now only I know from you that BYOD was already a thing before. thanks
 [Edit] because they thought they had probably invented IDE on a phone :D
 @dohbee, watch the vid, they present dex and they pitch at the audience of anyone else had IDE in their phone, like if they thought nobody had already came up with it before
 @KrisJacewicz, oh, i thought you were mocking canonical with that statement, given you had just posted the screen grab of your comments
 i was going to say, canonical was in fact working on shipping the IDE for developing the apps, directly on the phone as well
 but granted, there still are no properly converged IDEs
 I want to ask a question related to the dpi setting under xmir. As I understand it is a hard-fixed value of 96 in the source code. I dont hv source now to refer to, I just remember reading this on the Internet. So do any of you know if there is maybe just a source code file of few where I can just replace that value and rwcompi
[01:41] <ubptgbot> le with, say, a fixed value of 180dpi? just so I could end up seeing everything 2x bigger than currently under xmir?
 you don't need to change the source code
 @dohbee, please share more
 @KrisJacewicz, https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/133
 Is that DeX thing even native?
 what is this
 is it a hypervisor
 or the container magic
 @K31j0, it's a chroot
 alright, so first thank you. However this is just dpi for fonts. Please understand that I am looking for knowledge on how to alter the dpi setting for the entire graphical stack not just for fonts. I want every aspect of ui to be scaled differently. And I am asking about the knowledge, anyone?
 it's basically the same type of linux chroot people have been doing on android for years
 @dohbee, Just marketed
 and some people are like "wow"
 if anyone cares, here's why: even though i can enlarge fo ts the scrollbars will still be tiny. The checkboxes will still be tiny. and many other things, all that doesnt adapt to font size.
 I don't understand why people are so used to eating shit these days
 @KrisJacewicz, well if xmir takes same options as normal X server, i suppose there maybe one way to specify the DPI through it
 or you can set the appropriate value for the Xresources perhaps
 @K31j0, well DeX is the dock. A brilliant one too: phone gets charging, external kbd/mouse, Ethernet port, speakers and hdmi all at once. And then there is an app that runs Ubuntu using chroot.
 geez I'm so pissed right now
 @K31j0, well, the samsung thing brings all the hardware together, now that usb-c lets more stuff go through the port at once
 @dohbee, appreciate, thanks, i will google this. If anyone has more knowledge, also please share.
 this is like the 10th attempt to fix modem
 and when it was patched onto the live OS it was working
 but when integrated into the zip it doesn't work
 somentimes I just think of leaving it all to rot and using N900 as my main phone
 it's not great, but it's better to have something with physical keyboard and software that works and is linux instead of a thing that can't even bring devfs nodes up right
 @KrisJacewicz, also xmir is deprecated and will be going away hopefully soon, replaced by using Xwayland instead
 @KrisJacewicz, I remember something, but when I tried it needed hardware exceleration
 @dohbee, in that case, do you know if xwayland is going to report the actual dpi value of the display?
 [Edit] if anyone cares, here's why: even though i can enlarge fonts the scrollbars will still be tiny. The checkboxes will still be tiny. and many other things, all that doesnt adapt to font size.
 @KrisJacewicz, what does `xdpyinfo | grep resolution` report if you run it inside a terminal under xmir?
 mostly your problem is that things in X11 just do not scale with DPI
 @mateosalta, but what you were trying was that altering numeral value(s) in a source code or something else?
 @dohbee, 96 always
 it was a commandline value for launching
 @KrisJacewicz, https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/unassigned-bugs/2016-January/037866.html
 sorry this was abt xinerama i will try to find relwvant link...
 DPI is irrelevant when all the apps are simply saying "make this thing N pixels wide"
 xorg does not magically scale apps
 a pixel is always a pixel
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/589485
 @dohbee, i thought that the widgetset layer uses dpi value for scaling. so when u design you use pixels but at runtime the widgetset scales things programatically. I read up on this some time ago, this is what i remembered.
 @KrisJacewicz, nope. if you specify in pixels you get pixels. the code has to be written to scale properly. gtk+3 is better at things of course, but still requires developers to design accordingly
 like "Xmir -2x"
 this is why we have "grid units" in UT
 at least in case of the widgetsets that are adaptive to highDPI scenarios. I remwmber reading that both gtk+ and qt do this.
 https://mutse.github.io/2015/11/08/howto-launch-desktop-apps-on-utouch/
 @KrisJacewicz, gtk+ 2.x most certainly does not. qt does not either if you do not write your application in the correct way to do it
 @dohbee, I lnow one thing for sure, when I develop gtk app on desktop i design size of everything in pixel units. but if i compile with highDPI optimization flag the app ends up scaled automatically on a retina desktop.
 if you want scalable/converged apps on UT, really the best way to get that is to use the Ubuntu UI Toolkit and grid units for everything
 @KrisJacewicz, what compile flag? there is no magic optimization flag afaik. you simply have to use the correct API if you want an app that scales with gtk+'s scaling config
 and that is only in gtk+3
 https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/226 here is how you can change the system grid units
 understand thanls again. I already worked around this problem for myself by writing a library that scales my apps property at runtime.  … What I have not solved is using x11 apps on the phone.  … I  other words, i dont need a solution for writing apps myself, only fpr running already written apps on the phone in a scaled way.
 @KrisJacewicz, there is no generic solution to this.
 @dohbee, compilation flags depend on a compiler. every compiler has different flags/switches. I use Lazarus IDE and what I use probably is different from what you are using.
 this is why we always called them "legacy apps" and suggest they only be used when connected to an external display
 @dohbee, wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/High_DPI
 for all languages
 it really depends on what you use
 @KrisJacewicz, there is nothing in there about compile flags?
 @UniversalSuperBox, ah yes, well i am myself interested in one language primarily: object pascal
 but anyway, it seems it simply provides some internal API which it sticks into your application or something
 again, this has nothing to do with gtk+ and is not a general thing you can do
 @dohbee, i font like to browse on phone, but lazarus IDE has a dialog where you set some flags and one is about compiling the app in dpi aware way. That logic will work regardless of the widgetset you choose to bind against. Like gtk or gtk3 or qt4 or qt5
 not sure abt qt4 actually
 Hopefully no one is using Qt4 any more
 or gtk 1.x
 anyway, no, it has nothing to do with the toolkit. that is something with lazarus and/or object pascal or whatever
 you should not base your assumptions of how toolkits work, by what a single IDE provides for you
 @UniversalSuperBox, i used to run qt1 on arch gnu/linux
 in a single language
 @vanyasem, kde 1 is a nice DE. but it doesn't support scaling, so i switched to Plasma 5
 not on purpose i diverged. the main thing is there is a bunch of apps that can run via xmir or xwayland some time soon. and it needs scaling for better readability. @dohbee you said that dpi setting has nothing to do with pixels. On one hand I hear you. On the other you still showed me that you can change the dpi for fonts and
[02:12] <ubptgbot> they do scale. I wonder why thos kind of scaling only applies to fonts though. About how to scale the entire app not jist fonts.
 Old KDE was the shit
 it was great for what it was
 @K31j0, DPI setting does not change how many pixels are in a pixel, indeed. one pixels is still always one pixel. you cannot scale all app widgets as you ask for, unfortunately. you can scale apps which are built with newer toolkits that can handle scaling, in many cases, but there are still plenty where that will not work full
[02:14] <ubptgbot> y, or at all.
 and again not because i cant write a properly scaled app, but for the purpose of scaling old apps. The xmir is a display within a natove window I suspect. It wonders me if that emulated display could not scale things before they end up drawn.
 scaling, layouts and adaptive UIs are always blowing my mind
 but I'm not UI/UX designer so that's understandable
 @KrisJacewicz, you can scale any old app you wish, so long as you rewrite it to be scalable
 the Xft.dpi setting only works for fonts, because Truetype fonts are already scalable
 it will not work for bitmap fonts, though
 @dohbee, what if the xmir window draws every emulated pixel over 4 actual pixels? not scaling but zooming in by the factor of x2?
 so if the pixels inside xmir window were 2 times bigger?
 @KrisJacewicz, that would be a massive waste of CPU
 stuff is slow enough without that happening
 @dohbee, cannot be handled by gpu?
 i guess not, as far as i understand, because xmir is already not gpu accelerated on the phones
 i mean that already ahppens no? the pixel in ui is not actualy the hardware pixel of the screen right? I mean on desktop I dont know abput the phone, never seen screen resolution changed on a phone
 if it were, then maybe it could be, but it would still be incredibly slow
 @dohbee, ah, that's right
 also the cpu/gpu are not entirely separate things
 so do you know if xwayland will be?
 i suspect xwayland will suffer from many of the same maladys on the phone
 ok but was it mentionned that at least ot would be gpu accelerated on the arm phones?
 @KrisJacewicz, i have no idea if it will be or not
 anyway, it is really not the solution to the problem.
 the only real solution is building fully converged apps
 @dohbee, it will be a solution to other problems though. If it wont fix scaling then it will fix graphical performance.
 graphical performance may be improved slightly with xwayland, but i'm not sure how much
 it is at least a single shared X server, rather than having a server per app, so likely will perform slightly better simply as a result of that
 what time it is believed that xwayland would land (replace xmir)?
 i don't know. it requires latest mir and some other changes, so probably some months
 i see so perhaps not this year
 for the apps you write, you are having the issue with fonts being decent size, but controls still small?
 or it's only an issue for other apps you've installed binaries of?
 @dohbee, only for other apps. The reason i dont have this problem is because in case of controls i know end up being tiny i dont use them and use custom drawn ones. Example is a checkbox. On a scaled font dpi the text to the right of the checkbox will show up big but the actual square within which the checkmark is will st
[02:34] <ubptgbot> ill be tiny af. So i dont use the widgetset provided chackbox but instead i use my own whoch i draw according to my scalling.
 but my apps actually dont depend on the font dpi either for the fonts.
 ar startup i checl the actual dpi and dynamically resize pixel units of all ui elements by a calculated factor.
 right, that's basically what the sdk toolkit does, for grid units.
 and apps just say things are 1gu or 5gu or 2.5gu or whatever
 sort of like "display pixels" on android
 and then as a coder i must remember not to use hardcoded values either so this: … Label1.Height := 22; … becomes: … Label1.Height := VScale(22); … Vscale scales any pixel value by a vertical ratio. There is HScale and there is Scale which uses an average ratio between V and H.
 @dohbee, ok i see
 And QtQuick controls 2 should do it too
 you could implement it and use the same thing for your apps. and perhaps build with Qt5 instead of gtk+, then you wouldn't need to mess with xmir. you could just package your app in a click and run it directly then i guess
 We'll need to get QtMir to send the scale values correctly
 Qt has support for android display pixels internally, but not gu
 Right
 but i don't think we want to be using the SCALE or whatever variable
 Why not?
 @dohbee, in deed i am interested in binding my apps against qt5 instead of gtk. Lazarus allows you to choose a wifgetset and recompile against it.  … But i havent gotten around it yet because it turns out that the binding that works on desktop for qt5 does not work on the phone. I guess there are some binary differences i
[02:44] <ubptgbot> n qt libraries so my bindings dont compile.
 I know the UITK is great, but we'll really need to scale it back if we don't get about 5 more engineers
 i havent gotten time to try to follow compiler errors and manually try to change headers.
 @UniversalSuperBox, i'm not talking about keeping the full uitk.
 So... What? Patch Qt for grid units?
 no
 anyway, let's not go down that rabbit hole right now
 Yeah. We'll need to translate Px/GU to the Qt scale factor. :P
 Anyone having issues with seeing categories within the open store on the latest RC release?
 The API's been a little strange today I know
 @KrisJacewicz, 👍
 Fwd from vanyasem: https://t.me/unity8_port_notes
 @hydrahex, Is that arch os
 @hydrahex, [Edit] Is that for arch os
 Or ut based On arvh
 [Edit] Or ut based on arch
 @hydrahex, [Edit] Is that unity for arch os
 [Edit] Or UT based on arch
 That's the same thing actually
 Because packages are the same for phones and desktop
 The only difference is the architecture
 I haven't tested it on a phone yet though, but it works on desktops
 and yeah i've heard of byod i was just imagining a type i can just go to work with my phone instead of my laptop haha
[08:34] <ubptgbot> dishuba10 was added by: dishuba10
[08:53] <ubptgbot> idmikhaichi was added by: idmikhaichi
 @idmikhaichi, Hi Daniyal, welcome! Take a look to https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you started
 Hi,can i install ubtouch on my phone whitout pc?
 Fwd from dohniks: All you dekko2 hackers out there. I think it's time to align forces. Let me propose a place to do so: https://forums.ubports.com/topic/1477/dekko2-community-thread
 @idmikhaichi, What OS is running in your phone currently?
 @dohniks great idea. Another good place to post it is #ubports:matrix.org
 I don't have matrix
 I can post it there if you want
 sure thanks
 👍
 I thought the tg and matrix channels are bridged to each other?!
 like tg and irc
 @dohniks: Thanks for your great approach!
 @dohniks, UBports OT it is, but UBports (general) not yet
 a question for the admins
 why use telegram instead mailing lists?
 should i consider this trolling?
 no, no
 its a seruois queston
 just duckduckgo "why mailing lists suck"
 maybeoff topic then dont answer me
 we have a forum
 if that's what you're looking for
 ok thanks
 i am personally against mailing lists
 @vanyasem, https://forums.ubports.com
 I prefer threads of discussion 👍
 yeah a forum or a github issue will do
 you can reply to it via email
 so well
 https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/this-week-in-mir-20th-july-2018/7154
 This week @alan_g has been hard at work refreshing our developer documentation, adding content to reflect the technology Mir will support going forward. He’s also updated the Mir kiosk apps to use Wayland, rather then the old Mir client API. … I’ve been preparing to implement the stable XDG shell protocol. I’ve continued clean
[09:53] <ubptgbot> ing up shell surface code, and added tests to ensure correct functionality. … @mariogrip has been working with us to add XWayland support to Mir. This would allow legacy X11 apps to run within Mir like in Gnome on Wayland and other Wayland compositors. This work is ongoing, but nearing a usable state.
 @Xavi_R, Use the forum for threads. But Telegram is great for chit-chat and small issues. You see, flooding people with daily digest with 100s of messages will not gain more than lot of people skipping through them
[10:25] <ubptgbot> <Frank Gores> hello everybody, as I understand well, 16.04 will also be available for the mx4.  Does the battery indicator issue (wrong indication, not showing correct percentage) will be solved?
 @Flohack, Thank you for the answer florian
 Tried to install 16.04/rc (OTA-4) today on frieza (M10 FHD) using ubports-installer on ubuntu-16.04 LTS : installer crashes when used as normal user, since it cannot create a cache directory to download installation files.
 Have you used the installer before? Does the cache directory already exist with wrong permissions?
 Yes, with a FP2. Had a problem of same kind. I had to manually create the cache directory for the PF2.
 Error reported failure of mkdir cmd.
 @Pascal, Sounds like a parent dir is probably owned by root, probably from previous run of installer with sudo
 Checked that everything's owned by root/root in cache directory.
 When I run `ls -ld ~/.cache/ubports*` in a console, I have two folders: `ubport` and `ubportsimages`. both of which are owned by my user account, not root. And I think that's the way it is supposed to be
 @malditobastardo, Thanks
 First folder is `ubports`, missed an `s`
 If I remember correctly, Jan said something like "it's not really necessary to run the installer with `sudo`, but if it helps, so be it". … So you could try to just call the installer with `sudo` 😉
 By the way, does anyone know a way to delete a calendar with the calendar app? Long tapping and existing calendar only allows to change its color.
 Or any other way, not necessarily with the calendar app?
 @advocatux, Android 5.1.1 (Huawei y560 L01)
 @idmikhaichi, Don't even bother
 😕what can i do know
 [Edit] 😕what can i do now
 Then how can i install a linux distribution on my phone😐
 There must be a way
[12:05] <ubptgbot> ChanningSinclair was added by: ChanningSinclair
 @idmikhaichi, Would you help me.. … There must be a way … @vanyasem @advocatux
 not again
 @advocatux ^^
 thanks
 Done. That spammer is one insistent bastard, that's for sure 😆
 @advocatux can i install any linux ver on android or instead of it.
 @idmikhaichi, Only on supported devices. Please see https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
 @advocatux, Sadly not my device...😐
 Sorry to hear that. I don't know if it's possible for you currently but some of those devices on that list are not hard to get and you can even find them at a very low price :)
 Try a Oneplus One good price second hand , nice screen, good on battery life.
 If you want to go even cheaper, Nexus 4's are pretty cheap nowadays
 Should be affordable even for people that don't want to invest a lot
 Wow people are selling used nexus 5's flashed with kali nethunter for about 200 dollar on ebay
 Quite insane for somthing anyone can do in less than 10 minutes
 @Ingo_FP_Angel, Great question and this definitely needs GUI IX design (whats the word?) attention. In our nextcloudpi group I remember this was answered but one must ask 'why is delete calendar not as obvious as add calendar?
 I meant nextcloud not nextcloudpi
[14:32] <ubptgbot> DHqmPApzeugC1 was added by: DHqmPApzeugC1
 We have been made aware of an outage spanning a variety of public UBports-owned infrastructure starting at about 15:40UTC on July 21, 2018: … - forums.ubports.com … - ubports.com … - ubuntu-touch.io … - UBports Push Notification service … Some of these services have come back online as of 16:50 UTC on July 21, 2018. We are
[17:07] <ubptgbot>  continuing to work to bring the remaining offline services back.
 As of 17:10 UTC on July 21, 2018, all public UBports services are back online.  Take a look to https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you up to speed
 @Chantal Cassano, [Edit] Hi Chantal, welcome! Take a look to https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you up to speed
 @UniversalSuperBox, Are there details on what happened? (DDOS, etc)
 The root cause was allowing our balance on Digital Ocean to fall below their acceptable balance, causing our account to become suspended. … How are we ensuring this doesn't happen again? … We're adding multiple new administrators on our account and we've increased our notifications of low account balances.
 @UniversalSuperBox, Oh awesome! :) glad to hear and awesome you’re using Digital Ocean
[19:51] <ubptgbot> Esampaio90 was added by: Esampaio90
 Welcome @Esampaio90 !!! Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started, we have language groups available.
 help me out anyone. I distincly remember someone saying he would try and create a clickable plugin for VC Code. Cant find it now. Anyone remember who/where that was?
 * VS Code
 @matv1, https://t.me/ubports/141526


[07:12] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: is the rotation lock something we provided ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1569481
[07:12] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1569481 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "ota 10.1 rotation lock disappeared" [Undecided,New]
[08:12] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, it's an indicator, yeah, what do you mean with "we providd"?
[08:12] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: if it's part of unity8 or of some other package
[08:12] <mzanetti> indicator-display
[08:13] <mzanetti> I have it here on rc-proposed
[09:30] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1547255 now makes sense
[09:30] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1547255 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "app install progress bar resets to 0 when scrolled out of view" [Medium,Triaged]
[09:30] <tsdgeos> i added some extra info on how to reproduce and why it happens
[09:31] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, fwiw, just going to a preview with a lot of reviews did not trigger it reliably for me. that is one prerequisite (that the progress bar drops out of the cache buffer), however, thre must be more to it. sometimes when destryoed and recreated, the progress bar recovers fine
[09:32] <mzanetti> ooh
[09:32] <mzanetti> right
[09:32] <mzanetti> you need to come back after it has completed
[09:44] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: i added a comment #2 in the description of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1547255
[09:44] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1547255 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "app install progress bar resets to 0 when scrolled out of view" [Medium,Triaged]
[09:44] <tsdgeos> what do you think?
[09:47] <tsdgeos> cimi: ↑↑↑
[10:26] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, so you
[10:27] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, so you'd add a repeater for the first things, and then the ListView for the ratings?
[10:27] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: no no
[10:27] <tsdgeos> a repeater and a listview
[10:28] <tsdgeos> all widgets are created in the repeater and in the listview
[10:28] <tsdgeos> just that in the listview we create the "UI" things
[10:28] <tsdgeos> and in the repeater we create the "model" things
[10:30] <tsdgeos> "all widgets are created in the repeater and in the listview" -> "the model is passed to both the listview and the repeater"
[10:30] <tsdgeos> so basically the repeater and the listview have different delegates for the same model
[10:31] <tsdgeos> allowing for some of the entries of the model of having persistent presence
[10:33] <mzanetti> hmm... would need to test this... sounds a bit funky but could work I guess
[14:24] <Saviq> mterry, I never received anything, no - the only thing I saw are the visuals attached to the card
[14:43] <mterry> Saviq: get out of here  :)
[14:58] <Saviq> mterry, I'm working - sprinting in SLC
[14:59] <mterry> Saviq: ah fair
[19:20] <bregma> hey mterry could I trouble you to update your use-ual-info branch for qtmir?  It merge-conflicts with trunk again.
[19:20] <mterry> bregma, ah of course
[19:20] <mterry> will poke when done
[19:20] <mterry> bregma, I keep hoping that will be able to land before I have to re-merge again  :)
[19:21] <bregma> I just finished poking tvoss again to finish reviewing ted's u-a-l branch
[20:04] <mterry> bregma, OK updated (tests took a bit).  I don't think anything changed that should affect the branch, but if you see odd behavior, let me know
[20:08] <bregma> mterry, thanks