[00:06] <goddard> in kde4 you could just enable this in kmixer
[00:19] <Fanfare> Q: i added mpv to handle directories, now its in the first place ( and defaultaction) to handle them, i can't rearrange it using the properties dialog.
[00:21] <MichaelTunnell> goddard: you probably meant MichaelP :)
[02:09] <cassio> hi
[04:02] <N3X15> Is there any way of modifying mouse pointer hotspot offset?  I'm thinking something screwed with my settings and offset it by at least 16 pixels
[04:03] <noobey> What's the best package manager to use with KUbuntu?
[04:24] <noobey> What's the best package manager to use with KUbuntu?
[08:14] <wb6321> #ubuntu
[09:58] <ozberk> hi guys need to ask a questtion. Umm I tried to use driver manager to install AMD microcode and nvia drivers but it saying collecting data from my system yet it takes too long
[09:59] <ozberk> what is wrong with the driver manager ?
[10:02] <Fritigern> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-driver-manager/+bug/1530523
[10:05] <ozberk> oh ok so we only need to wait a bit since there is no solution yet. Ummm how can I install those drivers then ?
[10:05] <Fritigern> This means it's a known bug, high priority and that multiple people have reported it. Therefore, it's being worked on. In the mean time you can manually  install the microcode and the Nvidia drivers
[10:07] <Fritigern> Open Konsole and enter sudo apt-get install nvidia-364 && sudo apt-get amd64-microcode
[10:07] <Fritigern> Note that you will have to enter your password in order to install that
[10:08] <ozberk> yeah I figured that with this document https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[10:09] <ozberk> that ubuntu-drivers devices command is really helpfull
[10:09] <ozberk> just enter it and it will tell you what do you need to install. Cool
[11:53] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:08] <EvilRoey> hi BluesKaj
[12:08] <BluesKaj> hi Roey
[13:00] <viewer|21429> Hello, I'm having a problem with Krunner and plasma shell. They crash when i type in letters to search of applications/files. Kubunut 16.04. I was running on nvidia 361 drivers, i updated to 364. this led to the krunner/plasma shell crashes. i rolled back to 361 but still have the problem. Tried with 358 but again the same problem. Any help?
[13:02] <hateball> viewer|21429: I'm not sure why you think it would be related to nvidia drivers
[13:02] <hateball> viewer|21429: Perhaps baloo has been corrupted, you could try rebuilding it
[13:03] <viewer|21429> how can i do that?
[13:03] <CoodingCookiee> Hey guys, i'm running 16.04 Kubuntu. I'm using a Apple Magic Mouse 2, but the scrolling doesn't work. I tried i few things days ago, but nothing works. Maybe someone of you can help me :)
[13:03] <hateball> viewer|21429: "balooctl disable" then  reboot, then "balooctl enable"
[13:06] <BluesKaj> CoodingCookiee, try system settings>input devices>mouse , there are a few settings that might help
[13:08] <viewer|21429> hateball: it can be done from plasma or do i need to logout and make it from the console?
[13:10] <hateball> viewer|21429: no you can do it in your current session
[13:10] <CoodingCookiee> the mouse works fine but the scroll/touch have no support
[13:11] <viewer|21429> hateball:disable worked; but trying the enable it gives the error "failed to register via dbus, another instance is running"
[13:12] <hateball> viewer|21429: did you reboot?
[13:12] <viewer|21429> yes
[13:13] <hateball> viewer|21429: what does "balooctl status" say?
[13:13] <viewer|21429> it says it running. By the way the crash are gone now
[13:16] <viewer|21429> (i do the instructions again)
[13:16] <hateball> viewer|21429: well if it's not crashing, problem solved :p
[13:17] <hateball> I wonder why it would restart tho, without you enabling it
[13:19] <viewer|21429> well in fact before the error message you do get a balooctl is running
[13:19] <viewer|21429> my bad balooclt enabled
[13:24] <viewer|21429> well it seems to work. thank you very much!
[13:27] <BluesKaj> !cookie | hateball
[13:27] <BluesKaj> good call hateball
[13:37] <hateball> BluesKaj: :)
[13:38] <hateball> experience with broken things goes a long way :p
[13:40] <BluesKaj> yeah, I don't use baloo so i avoid it's problems , aamof I deleted myslqld and akonadi without losing the desktop like it did before pl\asma 5
[14:00] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: have you tried baloo on the latest version ? Doesn't seem to be a resource hog any longer ?
[14:02] <zlp> xfgdfg
[14:03] <zlp> sdfdsfsd
[14:03] <zlp> fgdg
[14:06] <acheron_uk> still a pain here
[14:08] <acheron_uk> If want anything more controllable me then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recoll seems a better targeted solution
[14:24] <abhishek> I am using kde 5.6.4 and kubuntu 16.04. How can I make the backlight turn on only on press key.
[14:25] <Guest86019> who the fuck picks these colors for kubuntu...omg stab my eyes out
[14:26] <Guest86019> so whats the workaround for the installer in 16.04 that I cannot read since its so bright
[14:27] <Guest86019> tried themes and zionreversed color scheme, doesnt seem to appy to the installer
[14:28] <Guest86019> prolly should have stuck with 14.04....
[14:32] <Guest86019> hello
[14:34] <Guest86019> I cant read the text on the installer in the live disc
[14:37] <yossarianuk> Guest86019: perhaps if you made a screenshot and uploaded it for us to me we might understand what you mean
[14:39] <Guest86019> you cannot read the ANY of the instructions in the installer window at all, it is super bright background and white writing, I can barely make out the download third party checkbox and thats cause I know its there from past installs
[14:40] <Guest86019> ahh I bet i know how to fix it
[14:40] <Guest86019> the installer is likely gtk
[14:47] <kubuntu_> yossarianuk: what a good image site?
[14:47] <kubuntu_> ill prolly turn back into guest here
[14:48] <yossarianuk> imgur.com is popular
[14:49] <kubuntu_> prolly cant even save it cause it isnt persistant usb
[14:50] <kubuntu_> http://imgur.com/YfBDGir
[14:51] <kubuntu_> yossarianuk: see what I mean?
[14:52] <kubuntu_> like how did anyone else install?
[14:54] <kubuntu_> nm I thought about what used to be the default theme in older versions and I cant read the text now
[14:55] <kubuntu_> fuck is that stupid
[14:55] <acheron_uk> had no such problem with recent 16.04 installs
[14:55] <acheron_uk> text was perfectly readable
[14:57] <acheron_uk> some graphics card oddity perhaps?
[14:58] <kubuntu_> not sure but the default theme or whatever you call it doesnt let you see  the text
[14:58] <kubuntu_> just a gtx nvidia card and I assume nouveau
[14:58] <kubuntu_> installer appears to be hanging now
[14:58] <acheron_uk> the dropdown dialogues there and some other colours down match the default breeze theme
[14:59] <kubuntu_> yeah i used oxygen and I could see it
[15:00] <acheron_uk> I would imagine a graphic rendering glitch as that is NOT how it should show
[15:01]  * kubuntu_ appologies for freaking out
[15:01] <kubuntu_> usually doesnt take me 1.2 hours to figure out a workaround
[15:02] <acheron_uk> it ok. Just installed 16.04 on a box with a nvidia card a few weeks ago, and I know that is not hwo the installer looked
[15:05] <chaotix> hello.  I am on Kubuntu 16.04, and am having a problem where for some reason, the proper icons for applications, folders, and files and whatnot' are not being displayed at all,
[15:06] <chaotix> it started when I tried to change the icon theme, and now no matter what icon theme i choose, I get most of the icons have what looks like a paper document with a "?" in the middle, and the rest show the wrong icon
[15:07] <acheron_uk> can you change the icon scheme in system settings to another one then back again?
[15:07] <acheron_uk> oh sounds like you have
[15:07] <chaotix> acheron_uk: i can, but it doesnt actually change the theme
[15:08] <genii> Save session before logging off/shutting down
[15:08] <acheron_uk> there is an icon them cache somewhere
[15:08] <chaotix> i press apply, and the dialog comes up saying updating, but nothing changes
[15:10] <chaotix> im looking now for how to delete the icon cache
[15:11] <acheron_uk> in /tmp/ and /var/tmp/kdecache-'youruseename' and ~/.cache/ there may be some
[15:11] <chaotix> i found this
[15:11] <chaotix> https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=108241
[15:13] <chaotix> brb if the problem persists.. thanks for the suggestions guys
[15:13] <acheron_uk> think the caches are done slightly different for icons in plasma5, bit basically yes, clear icon caches and restart your KDE desktop
[15:14] <acheron_uk> if that doesn't sort it then there is something more fundamental up
[15:18] <kubuntu_> acheron_uk: seems like the installer was just thrown in the last changes lol
[15:21] <BluesKaj> kubuntu_, the ubiquity installer has been a part of kde for many years and works well on most systems
[15:23] <BluesKaj> and dpkg installer has been very stable and capapble package installer for even longer
[15:24] <kubuntu_> ok its great
[15:26] <kubuntu_> ive been here since the start of kde4
[15:27] <kubuntu_> its not ok, plus the themeing seems zoloft induced
[15:28] <kubuntu_> all things are bright nowadays, even my phone is too damn bright
[15:28] <kubuntu_> but ...
[15:28] <kubuntu_> at least there is an included dark theme now
[15:31] <BluesKaj> there is a brightness ctl in system settings.power>management , it night work for you, altho it doesn't seem to on my TV?monitor
[15:32] <BluesKaj> TV/Monior rather
[15:32] <kubuntu_> ill check it out
[15:32] <BluesKaj> kubuntu_, is this a laptop or desktop?
[15:32] <kubuntu_> desk
[15:34] <BluesKaj> you might need to set the brightness directly on your monitot ctls
[15:34] <kubuntu_> I think that because kubuntu sounds cute theme has to ...match?
[15:35] <kubuntu_> I like kubuntu cause it isnt super hard and stays up to date with kde releases for the most part
[15:36] <kubuntu_> but the coloring is something else
[15:36] <kubuntu_> first thing I change
[15:38] <kubuntu_> kde-bian, way better name lol
[15:38] <kubuntu_> but that besides the point
 kde-bian, way better name lol
[16:10] <EvilRoey> Kubian.
[16:10] <EvilRoey> ?
[16:12] <BluesKaj> too late Roey, long gone
[16:31] <user|21225> What are the minimum specs required for Kubuntu 15.10 for 32-bit machines?
[17:41] <Guest40582> ok where is all the " get new" options in system settings?
[17:42] <clivejo> get new?
[17:46] <BluesKaj> Guest42522, workplace themes and applications style and desktop behaviour > effects
[17:47] <BluesKaj> and if you explore,  there might be more
[19:07] <ozberk> hi guys I need to add this command to startup nvidia-settings --assign CurrentMetaMode="nvidia-auto-select +0+0 { ForceFullCompositionPipeline = On }"
[19:07] <ozberk> how can I do this
[19:15] <ozberk> I also need another question dolphin can't create any directories as I try to create a folder it crashes
[19:17] <BluesKaj> ozberk, have you updated and upgraded lately?
[19:18] <ozberk> BluesKaj:  yes
[19:18] <ozberk> BluesKaj:  yesterday accutaly
[19:19] <BluesKaj> lately means today :-)
[19:20] <ozberk> yes but I'm in Turkey so. As you asked I run another update here
[19:20] <ozberk> a few packages have new updates installing the now
[19:20] <ozberk> them (corrections)
[19:22] <BluesKaj> ozberk, why are going to use that command in nvidia-settings ?
[19:23] <BluesKaj> ForceFullCompositionPipeline  ...why are trying that?
[19:23] <ozberk> BluesKaj:  because this command enables the VSync feature in KDE which is not enabled by deaflut somehow. I googled the problem and the solution was simple. This command is for testing but the solution was about counfiguring x.conf ehich doesn't exist in here
[19:24] <ozberk> so I think if I put this command at startup the VSync will be enabled automaticly
[19:24] <BluesKaj> ox then you need to run nvidia-xconfig to create the file then add the string in it
[19:25] <BluesKaj> oz^
[19:25] <BluesKaj> ozberk,^
[19:26] <ozberk> BluesKaj:  package xorg-server was not found ?
[19:26] <ozberk> BluesKaj:  I belive I installed the nvdia drivers what happened here :/
[19:26] <BluesKaj> yes , but it should have created it
[19:27] <ozberk> aaah it did
[19:31] <ozberk> BluesKaj:  thank you succesfully created and edited x.conf file
[19:31] <ozberk> but still
[19:31] <ozberk> there is another isssue with dolphin.
[19:32] <BluesKaj> ozberk, try a  reboot, but your issue with dolphin could be a permissions oproblem
[19:33] <ozberk> BluesKaj: I will reboot and check if it will be continue then come back to here
[19:33] <BluesKaj> ok
[19:40] <ozberk> BluesKaj: okay I back and the edited x.conf file worked thanks to you. REally thank you lets try dolphin
[19:40] <ozberk> ok again it crashes what should I do ? I googled it no results
[19:43] <BluesKaj> ozberk, which kubuntu, 16.04?
[19:43] <ozberk> BluesKaj: affirmative
[19:43] <ozberk> BluesKaj: yes
[19:44] <BluesKaj> ozberk, check in /var/log/syslog for dolphin errors
[19:45] <ozberk> BluesKaj: ok checking
[19:47] <ozberk> BluesKaj: I cant say which one is about dolphin
[19:48] <BluesKaj> lots of errors?
[19:48] <ozberk> too many
[19:49] <ozberk> and really compicated to say
[19:49] <ozberk> not all of them are errors accutaly
[19:50] <ozberk> what is hazer provider it keept denied
[19:51] <BluesKaj> no idea
[19:51] <ozberk> I tried to find the name dolphin
[19:51] <ozberk> no data is here
[19:51] <BluesKaj> do you see any permissions errors
[19:52] <ozberk> only one
[19:52] <ozberk> Jun  2 22:45:00 ozberk-System-Product-Name kernel: [  592.615798] audit: type=1400 audit(1464896700.224:21): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="/usr/lib/telepathy/mission-control-5" name="/usr/share/accounts/providers/ktp-sipe-haze.provider" pid=1376 comm="mission-control"
[19:53] <ozberk> well
[19:53] <ozberk> I shouldnt paste it here
[19:54] <genii> !paste
[19:54] <rattking> sipe is a instant messenger protocol, thats unrelated
[19:54] <BluesKaj> oz have you tried setting the pemissions in dolphin/file/properties/permisssions/advanced pernissions/owning group
[19:54] <ozberk> no
[19:55] <ozberk> hang on a min. brb
[19:57] <rattking> is it just dolphin that cant create directories? can you mkdir from konsole?
[19:57] <buriedalive> hi folks
[19:59] <buriedalive> ozberk if these no right your problem, try logout X-server and join to console and del your home dir, but last
[20:00] <buriedalive> and save config need you! remember
[20:00] <ozberk> guys I accutaly can't get all of theese
[20:00] <ozberk> what is wrong with dolphin :/
[20:00] <ozberk> syslog contains any data about dolphin
[20:01] <ozberk> doesn' contain ( correcctions)
[20:01] <bprompt> ozberk:    what's the original issue anyway?
[20:01] <ozberk> bprompt: I can't create any folder it crashes
[20:01] <soul__> Guys, do you know if it will be possible to extract archives directly from Dolphin using right click → extract here?
[20:02] <bprompt> soul__:   sure
[20:03] <bprompt> ozberk:   hmmm ooookk...hmmm  hmmm are you on 16.10?
[20:03] <soul__> bprompt: in which version is planned?
[20:04] <ozberk> I solved the issue temproarly. There are two options in dolphin I figured now Yeni dosya oluştur (create a folder in Turkish) and yeni dizin oluştur (this means create ner DIRECTORY in Turkish) now I figured I could create a new folder but not directory
[20:04] <ozberk> ner => new (corrections
[20:05] <bprompt> soul__:    hmm ?    I've had it as far back as 12.04, even in Krusader, which is what I mostly use
[20:05] <ozberk> what is the difference between a folder and a directory :/
[20:05] <bprompt> ozberk:    zilch, zero, same cat, different name
[20:05] <buriedalive> ozberk try sudo /etc/init.d/apparmor stop
[20:06] <ozberk> buriedalive: doesn't affected it
[20:06] <ozberk> affect (corrections)
[20:07] <soul__> bprompt: is not possible in Kubuntu 15.10. It is not possible since we switched to Plasma 5
[20:07] <BluesKaj> ok , enough cooks in the kitchen, time to for other things anyway...later folks
[20:07] <bprompt> soul__:   hmmm I do have it in 16.04, either way, you can add such option anyhow, I also had it in 12.04 as well, hold the mayo for a sec
[20:15] <bprompt> soul__:    https://lizards.opensuse.org/2008/07/12/extract-and-compress-right-click-menu-on-kde4/
[20:16] <soul__> bprompt: the problem is in Plasma 5. I guess is solved in Kubuntu 16.04 and that's why you have that function. I remember someone here telling me  some dolphin features were are not ported still. I'll upgrade to 16.04. Thanks :)
[20:17] <bprompt> soul__:   well, I had it in 12.04 as well, you can add "service menus" to the context menu in  kde file managers, tis a bit easier if you use Krusader btw, since krusader has a context menu editor
[20:18] <soul__> bprompt: I had it to in 12.04
[20:18] <soul__> too*
[20:18] <bprompt> soul__:   but I've added a few myself :)
[20:28] <goddard> getting an error in my chroot
[20:28] <goddard> sudo: main: unable to allocate memory
[20:28] <goddard> anyone know how to repair?
[20:49] <jannuhat> having some widget style issues on Mint KDE 17.3, which are probably caused by Kubuntu modifications to original KDE code. does anyone know how to fix the issue described here: https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=222930
[20:50] <jannuhat> basically buttons in KDE dialogs are oversized and drawn in the wrong colour and various other UI elements are also glitchy
[21:33] <cjwelborn> This may be a dumb question, but I'm making a simple "install script" for my new machines and I was wondering if `sudo apt-get install <247 package names>` will even work, or if there's a better way do go about this. I have a file with all the package names that I need to install.
[21:34] <cjwelborn> way to go*
[21:48] <bprompt> hmmm
[21:49] <bprompt> well
[21:49] <bprompt> cjwelborn:    package names, as in the .deb files?
[21:51] <cjwelborn> bprompt: I generated a list of package names (just the name), where 'apt-get install <pkg-name>' should work by itself. After thinking about it, if I pass 247 names to apt-get and it can't find one then the whole thing collapses. I think I will generate individual 'sudo apt-get install -y <pkg-name>' for them.
[21:51] <cjwelborn> I was just thinking about 'google-chrome-stable' being in my list, and I didn't get that from Kubuntu/Ubuntu repos.
[21:52] <Citral> hi
[21:52] <genii> Why not a meta package
[22:02] <cjwelborn> genii: I'll have to look into that. It hadn't even crossed my mind. Probably a lot cleaner and safer.
[22:03] <cjwelborn> I just now remembered `--ignore-missing` also, but still. I'm not going to pass 247 names to apt-get.
[22:11] <abhishek> hi guys!
[22:11] <abhishek> I am using kubuntu 16.04 kde 5.6.4
[22:11] <abhishek> there is no hibernate option available in menu for me though sudo pm-hibernate works
[22:20] <abhishek> More details-> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=363866#cz
[22:42] <Guest62348> hi people, I love you >/]
[22:43] <Guest62348> Current Kubuntu edition is fantastic!
[22:43] <Guest62348> Can I ask something basic?
[22:43] <genii> I'm sure the devs which are lurking here will be glad to hear :)
[22:44] <genii> Guest62348: Best thing is just to ask the channel your question, and then see if someone takes it up
[22:44] <Guest62348> Really good job. I never liked Kubuntu before :-]
[22:47] <Guest62348> I need to backup user home folders, but I dont have a rights permissions to access them. I have fond many examples, but simply I dont understand to those examples. Rights in Linux are very complicated...
[22:47] <Guest62348> Is any GUI for setting permissions recursively?
[22:49] <genii> Anything underneath of /home/yourusername by default is written with the permissions of the user whose home directory that is. Unless you have done something like perhaps untarred files with permissions intact which contain files belonging to a different username
[22:50] <genii> Guest62348: Possibly you are trying to copy /home instead of /home/yourusername
[22:51] <genii> alternately, those files are in use
[22:51] <Guest62348> I need to backup everything in /home/ (for all users)
[22:52] <Guest62348> I am able to share home root dir, but I need to allow root to read all files in all home folders.
[22:52] <genii> Guest62348: For backing up all user's files, this must be done with admin privelege. So you do not change the permissions or owners, because if you restore those files, the user they previously belonged to will be unable to access them.
[22:52] <Guest62348> I am SUDO, but still not able to read all dirs.
[22:53] <genii> Guest62348: The simplest in Konsole, to issue: kdesudo dolphin
[22:53] <genii> ...and then just use it like normal to copy things one place to another place
[22:54] <genii> Guest62348: If you want to copy files they cannot be in use at the time.
[22:55] <genii> So trying to copy things in your own home directory while you are logged in will result in files like some things in the .kde directory for instance or cache directories not being able to be copied
[22:55] <Guest62348> I think I need to set group for read. But how to say who is the group?
[22:56] <Guest62348> By the way, how can I connect to the server on LAN from Kubuntu? Only what I know is Putty on Windows.
[22:57] <genii> Guest62348: What is the error you get when you currently try?
[22:58] <Guest62348> I have to connect from console to the server at first.
[23:02] <genii> Guest62348: To connecto a server, make sure it is running an ssh server, then just in Kubuntu opn up Konsole and use ssh command from there
[23:03] <genii> work, afk 7-10 minutes
[23:05] <Guest62348> ssh legolas says that he could not resolve hostname
[23:06] <genii> Guest62348: Add the ip and name of that box to your /etc/hosts file
[23:06] <Guest62348> I tryed to boot kubuntu live on the server, It works, but I cannot see RAID HDD in the server.
[23:09] <Guest62348> omg konsole is really challenge for me, nothing is working
[23:13] <genii> Guest62348: Back for a minute or two. .. for RAID, Kubuntu does not load those modules by default, only Ubuntu Server does that. So you have to manually load them afterwards.
[23:13] <genii> Guest62348: If you do not specify a username to ssh, it assumes you want to connect using your cuurent username
[23:14] <genii> To specify a different name, use like: ssh differentname@servername-or-ip
[23:15] <genii> Guest62348: Also, please ask your questions in the channel, and not by private message :)
[23:16] <genii> Guest62348: For recognizing RAID1, you should use: sudo modprobe raid1
[23:17] <Guest62348> great! I will try to recognize Raid1
[23:17] <Guest62348> I hope I cannot damage files :-]
[23:18] <Guest62348> I am still not able to connect, so lets do the live boot...
[23:19] <Guest62348> when I do ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>nothing happens.
[23:30] <Guest62348> thank you very much genii, I will try to boot kubuntu on server and backup all files from RAID1 (mirror). A can access netword backup drive wiyhout problems.
[23:31] <genii> Guest62348: Glad to assit
[23:31] <genii> *assist
[23:32] <Guest62348> do you mean, that I can read all files after booting new live OS or attributes of original OS will be still active?
[23:35] <Guest62348> omg I am connected over terminal now :-]
[23:36] <Guest62348> But Doplhin is not installed on the server
[23:36] <Guest62348> Good bye!


[08:38] <didrocks> sil2100: unity-scope-video-remote uploaded, ensure that the trunk and tarballs are published please :)
[08:38] <sil2100> didrocks: so the scope branches were fine?
[08:39] <didrocks> sil2100: yeah, I bumped the standards-version and Vcs-Bzr as for the other one though
[08:39] <didrocks> so please look at the lintian warnings when building the package :)
[08:39] <sil2100> didrocks: thanks! ;)
[08:39] <didrocks> yw, thanks to you
[08:39] <sil2100> Ooops
[08:40] <sil2100> I think I was in a hurry again, need to burn that down in my head...
[09:05] <sil2100> didrocks: what about the dee update? Is pygi on 12.04 insufficient for the release to make sense?
[09:05] <didrocks> sil2100: I didn't had a hand over a precise machine yet, did you?
[09:07] <sil2100> didrocks: not yet
[09:46] <sil2100> didrocks: hm, would you mind if we'd release nux 3.0 along with unity 6.0..?
[09:46] <didrocks> sil2100: nope, but you need to update the packaging for nux 3.0
[09:46] <didrocks> and merge the ABI branches that jay wants
[09:46] <sil2100> didrocks: since Jay poked me yesterday about that, the ABI change is not big
[09:46] <sil2100> didrocks: will do
[09:48] <sil2100> didrocks: for safety I would target this release for next week though
[09:51] <didrocks> sil2100: well, as quick as possible, doing a release shouldn't take long :)
[10:19] <sil2100> didrocks: just out of curiosity (you probably told us that, but I forgot) - what's the difference between lp:~ubuntu-desktop/unity/ubuntu and lp:ubuntu/unity ?
[10:19] <sil2100> Since I see that those two are different
[10:19] <didrocks> sil2100: now, all the ref are lp:ubuntu/<package>
[10:19] <didrocks> for things that I've moved
[10:19] <didrocks> looks at Vcs-Bzr to ensure you have the right target :)
[10:20] <sil2100> So lp:ubuntu/unity is the 'right' one?
[10:20] <sil2100> Ah, I see
[10:20] <sil2100> But the way those are created is the same, right? They're done through merge-upstream and such?
[10:22] <didrocks> yeah
[10:22] <didrocks> it's the same branch, just the newer location
[11:00] <and471> hi I have an issue which is releated to indicators
[11:01] <and471> basically I want to make an indicator which has a button within one of the menuitems
[11:01] <and471> at the moment I am just using a Gtk.MenuBar, so I can test it out
[11:01] <and471> the issue is that whilst I can see the button after packing it into the Gtk.MenuItem
[11:01] <and471> I can't interact with it
[11:01] <and471> (i.e. press it)
[11:01] <and471> I have tried to link up the button-press-events but it isn't working
[11:02] <and471> here is the code http://pastebin.com/Rbe6B3Wv
[11:02] <and471> any help ?
[11:05] <and471> I should say that by connecting to the button_press_event of the button, I can see that the event is passed along, but the button shows no sign of being pressed
[11:05] <and471> (i.e. looking pressed in)
[11:35] <didrocks> mhr3: hey, do you know when the branch for the music lens I did would be reviewed?
[11:38] <sil2100> didrocks, seb128: even though the video lens/scope for quantal is not yet released (since I'm waiting for David to show up and publish the new tarballs), what about the SRU version of those?
[11:39] <sil2100> Is everything ready and ok for that?
[11:40] <didrocks> for me, it's in quantal, so ok for the SRU :)
[11:47] <didrocks> mhr3: is it on purpose that the gir files are not shipped by libunity?
[11:47] <didrocks> mhr3: we usually ship them in the -dev package, but it's installed on make install
[11:47] <didrocks> like for dee
[11:48] <seb128> didrocks, sil2100, sru got uploaded yesterday and is waiting for review: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=video
[11:48] <mhr3> didrocks, as in not shipped in the tarball?
[11:48] <didrocks> mhr3: no, I mean, not installed on make install
[11:48] <didrocks> seb128: sweet!
[11:49] <mhr3> didrocks, the gir is not installed? no way
[11:49] <mhr3> lenses wouldn't work then :P
[11:49] <didrocks> mhr3: it's not or I am dreaming :)
[11:49] <sil2100> seb128: \o/ Thank you!
[11:49] <didrocks> mhr3: well, the typelibs are
[11:49] <mhr3> hmmm
[11:49] <didrocks> mhr3: and vapi, this is what they are using, isn't it?
[11:49] <didrocks> the gir is just to generate them
[11:49] <mhr3> the vala ones are using vapi yea, python ones are using typelibs
[11:50] <didrocks> yeah
[11:50] <didrocks> so no need for the .gir files :)
[11:50] <mhr3> well...
[11:50] <mhr3> i'd say it should be there
[11:50] <seb128> sil2100, thank *you* for the work, I just tested and uploaded ;-)
[11:50] <didrocks> but normally, we ship them in -dev, so that bindings depending on bindings can impotr them
[11:50] <didrocks> mhr3: yeah, it should, see ^
[11:50] <mhr3> didrocks, exactly
[11:50] <mhr3> didrocks, could you file a bug?
[11:50] <didrocks> mhr3: I would even do better!
[11:50] <didrocks> file a bug
[11:50] <didrocks> and fix it :)
[11:50] <mhr3> omg!
[11:50] <mhr3> you're awesome!
[11:50] <didrocks> crazy, isn't it? ;)
[11:51] <mhr3> indeed
[12:03] <tjaalton> hey, I've re-added compiz to bug 966744, I've had the same symptoms on two different laptops, and the same "recovery" method
[13:22] <didrocks> sil2100: so, I tried on precise
[13:22] <didrocks> sil2100: yeah, there are overrides python3 support in it
[13:22] <didrocks> mhr3: FYI ^
[13:22] <didrocks> sil2100: so, the dee SRU is needed
[13:23] <didrocks> can you do it now?
[13:24] <mhr3> didrocks, hmmm
[13:24] <mhr3> didrocks, aaaaah, there's an actual python3-gi package
[13:24] <didrocks> mhr3: yep
[13:24] <mhr3> i guess installing that would help :)
[13:25] <didrocks> it can ;)
[13:28] <sil2100> didrocks: ok, but hm, how should I do the package now exactly? Do we need to build it twice again? If so, how do we force that?
[13:28] <didrocks> sil2100: oh right, you didn't look into that?
[13:28] <didrocks> sil2100: ok, I'll do it for quantal
[13:28] <didrocks> then, I'll backport it
[13:30] <sil2100> didrocks: I looked into normal ways of doing it - I never did tricks like 'building package twice' in debian/rules ;)
[13:31] <didrocks> sil2100: can you look if there is a bug about that in dee and if not, opening one?
[13:32] <sil2100> didrocks: you mean, bug for the missing overrides?
[13:33] <didrocks> yep
[13:33] <sil2100> didrocks: there is one:
[13:33] <sil2100> https://bugs.launchpad.net/dee/+bug/905085
[13:33] <didrocks> sil2100: excellent, thanks
[13:35] <sil2100> didrocks: the test case is missing since we didn't manage to start testing the SRU package even
[13:36] <didrocks> sil2100: well, the test case is quite easy
[13:36] <didrocks> sil2100:  but for quantal, it seems that dee needs a new release
[13:38] <didrocks> sil2100: you are taking care of that?
[13:38] <didrocks> also, it seems that wrapping this into a package is failing on make install
[13:40] <sil2100> hm, so, we need a new dee release for quantal as well?
[13:42] <sil2100> Ok, hm, just tell me how to perform the double build for it to work for both python2 and python3 and I'll do the release ;)
[13:45] <didrocks> sil2100: sure, when we talk about an unity release, it's the whole stack
[13:45] <didrocks> lenses, dee, bamf, libunity, compiz, unity, nux…
[13:45] <didrocks> sil2100: yeah, I'm adding an upstream fix as well so that it works
[13:50] <sil2100> didrocks: thanks!
[13:51] <sil2100> didrocks: I'm testing the new nux (3.0) and unity on my PPA right now
[13:51] <didrocks> good
[13:51] <sil2100> didrocks: so... when we'll be releasing unity 6.0, along with it we have to release bamf, dee, libunity, nux and compiz?
[13:52] <sil2100> But actually compiz for quantal was released this week right..?
[13:52] <didrocks> sil2100: the lenses as well
[13:52] <didrocks> yeah, compiz can wait
[13:52] <sil2100> Ok, so just everything besides compiz
[13:52]  * sil2100 notes it down
[13:52] <mhr3> lenses didn't change yet
[13:52] <sil2100> mhr3: so only video lens, righ?
[13:52] <sil2100> We'll have to rebuild them anyway
[13:52] <mhr3> no you wont
[13:53] <mhr3> libunity is abi stable
[13:53] <sil2100> Because of the major version bump in unity, the assets changed place
[13:53] <sil2100> They're in 6 now
[13:53] <mhr3> oh, that needs fixing in the lenses then iirc
[13:53] <didrocks> mhr3: well, the music lens is my branch is merged :p
[13:53] <sil2100> So this needs a bump anyways :(
[13:53] <mhr3> it's not read out from anywhere
[13:54] <sil2100> mhr3: it's hard-coded?
[13:54] <mhr3> didrocks, oh, is it?
[13:54] <mhr3> sil2100, let me check but i think it is
[13:54] <didrocks> mhr3: "if" ;)
[13:54] <didrocks> sil2100: FYI: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/dee/ubuntu/revision/245
[13:54] <didrocks> sil2100: so, that in quantal and the precise SRU
[13:55] <sil2100> mhr3: since I know when I used the unity 6.0.0 test package I built, the lenses were missing graphics
[13:55] <sil2100> Since I didn't rebuild them
[13:56] <mhr3> sil2100, yea, the .lens files have the version hardcoded
[13:56] <mhr3> but other than that a rebuild wouldn't be needed
[13:57] <sil2100> mhr3: true
[14:02] <sil2100> didrocks: ah, hacky!
[14:02] <sil2100> didrocks: thanks
[14:02] <didrocks> sil2100: only way to not move to cdbs and anyway, we don't want to build anything else for nothing :)
[14:10] <sil2100> davidcalle: hi!
[14:10] <sil2100> didrocks: I've been waiting for you... ;)
[14:10] <davidcalle> hi sil2100
[14:10] <sil2100> (that's never a good thing!)
[14:10] <didrocks> you meant davidcalle
[14:10] <sil2100> Ah, ouch, yes!
[14:10] <sil2100> davidcalle: that was to you actually ^
[14:11] <davidcalle> sil2100, :)
[14:11] <sil2100> davidcalle: anyway, didrocks switched the video lens and scope branches to the new, 'cool' architecture - which means I had to release new tarballs for quantal
[14:11] <sil2100> davidcalle: sould you upload those on the main project page?
[14:12] <davidcalle> didrocks, thank you!
[14:12] <sil2100> And, probably also, merge in the changes I made to lens and scope trunks? Since we're getting rid of the debian/ directory there
[14:12] <didrocks> davidcalle: yw ;)
[14:12] <sil2100> davidcalle: I'll post the links in a moment
[14:13] <sil2100> davidcalle: http://ubuntuone.com/6uJF8oLJzKmLIXHWNjBzsU <- lens new tarball
[14:13] <sil2100> davidcalle: http://ubuntuone.com/37ldvMpNknG1bTaUINn3km <- scope new tarball
[14:13] <davidcalle> sil2100, so the idea is to have a trunk and distro branches containing the packaging?
[14:14] <sil2100> davidcalle: yes, trunk should have only sources, while a packaging branch has actually packaging + sources, created in a neat way
[14:14] <sil2100> So, actually I would like you to merge in the changes from these branches:
[14:14] <sil2100> https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/unity-lens-videos/scope_trunk_PRE <- for the scope branch you have
[14:14] <sil2100> And
[14:14] <sil2100> https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/unity-lens-videos/trunk_PRE <- for the lens branch you have
[14:15] <sil2100> Sorry for all the chaos in your project, but it's for unifications and future simplifications sake
[14:16] <sil2100> So, what I would need:
[14:16] <davidcalle> Good chaos actually.
[14:16] <sil2100> 1) uploading new tarballs, I made them out of the debian-less trunks
[14:16] <sil2100> 2) pulling those few changes from the *trunk* branches I made
[14:17] <sil2100> This way will be safe, as didrocks already checked all these things I prepared yesterday
[14:18] <davidcalle> Ok. What about the packaging branches, is there a naming convention, "unity-lens-videos/ubuntu" ?
[14:19] <sil2100> davidcalle: I think they're available through lp:ubuntu/unity-lens-video etc.
[14:19] <sil2100> didrocks: could you confirm that ^ ?
[14:21] <davidcalle> sil2100, oh right. I'm asking in case I need to do a daily ppa for some tests. To know which packaging branch I should merge in the recipe.
[14:21] <sil2100> didrocks: btw. for dee, should I use lp:ubuntu/dee or lp:~ubuntu-desktop/dee/ubuntu ?
[14:27] <sil2100> didrocks: when should I use the first one and when the other? Since I see sometimes lp:ubuntu/* is not up-to-date
[14:28] <sil2100> So confusing
[14:29] <didrocks> sil2100: I'm pushing for every new project thoses to lp:ubuntu/</package>
[14:29] <didrocks> for every new release
[14:30] <didrocks> that's why I explained last week :)
[14:30] <didrocks> so we are in the transition period
[14:30] <didrocks> for now, use the branch I pointed
[14:30] <didrocks> davidcalle: btw, it would be cool to have one project per source
[14:31] <sil2100> didrocks: what about lenses? Since I'll need to mod them up a bit - should I use lp:ubuntu* or the old one?
[14:31] <didrocks> so a unity-scope-remote
[14:31] <didrocks> sil2100: start always from the old one
[14:31] <didrocks> until it's transitionned
[14:31] <didrocks> as told, Vcs-Bzr is the ref :)
[14:32] <davidcalle> didrocks, ok. I'm creating it. I suppose I will need to change the watch file in the packaging branch too.
[14:32] <sil2100> ACK
[14:32] <didrocks> davidcalle: yep :)
[14:32] <sil2100> didrocks: will you help davidcalle with all the transitioning now? ;)
[14:32] <davidcalle> sil2100, trunks are now trunk only.
[14:33] <sil2100> davidcalle: yay \o/
[14:33] <sil2100> davidcalle: did you also upload the tarballs?
[14:33] <davidcalle> Yes
[14:33] <davidcalle> 3.6 release for both
[14:33] <sil2100> \o/
[14:33] <sil2100> Awesome
[14:46] <davidcalle> didrocks, sil2100: https://launchpad.net/unity-scope-video-remote (trunk and latest tarball are in) Now, do I just need to change the upstream in https://launchpad.net/+ubuntu/+source/unity-scope-video-remote ?
[14:47] <didrocks> davidcalle: well, we can do it for next release, do not worry :)
[14:47] <davidcalle> didrocks, ok then, thank you both for all the sanity :)
[14:48] <didrocks> yw ;)
[14:49] <sil2100> davidcalle: np ;)
[14:53] <sil2100> didrocks: so, regarding lens/scopes we're all done, yes?
[14:53] <sil2100> didrocks: I mean the video lens and scopes
[14:53] <didrocks> sil2100: yeah, for this one, we are all done :)
[14:54] <sil2100> didrocks: ok... now regarding dee - is everything done here as well? I mean, the precise branch is precisely the same as the one you did, right?
[14:54] <didrocks> sil2100: hum no?
[14:54] <didrocks> you need two things
[14:54] <didrocks> making the new dee release for quantal
[14:54] <didrocks> with all the fixes for build and such
[14:54] <didrocks> (new vala)
[14:55] <didrocks> and just cherry-pick the override fix + packaging for precise
[14:55] <sil2100> didrocks: ah, ok ok, hm, ok


[05:13] <Noskcaj> micahg, Do you have the time to review https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/xfce4-session/light-locker/+merge/196436 yet?
[05:14] <Noskcaj> Or some of my other stuff so i can get a testimonial for MOTU and xubuntu packageset
[05:14] <micahg> I hate UDD merges
[05:15] <Noskcaj> Sorry? ;)
[05:15]  * micahg looks quickly at bug 1263279
[05:16] <Noskcaj> thanks
[05:18] <Noskcaj> I think bug 1212848 is my only other sync. I really need to finish off the ktp stuff
[05:20] <micahg> I'm reluctant to upload python-boto right before bed since I'm not sure how it interacts with the various cloud packages that depend on it
[05:20]  * micahg sees if the other one is any better
[05:20] <micahg> s/better/easier/
[05:22] <Noskcaj> The ktp stuff is very simple
[05:22] <micahg> sigh, that's really not good on the ktp-accounts-kcm bug, it needs more than a fakesync, it needs a tarball repackage
[05:22] <micahg> wait, which one is which (this is all horribly OT here)
[05:23] <Noskcaj> yeah. KDE make their tarballs from a git upstream tracking branch, which makes stuff harder than it has to be
[05:37] <micahg> phew, it's ok
[12:14] <brainwash> ochosi: does the transparency fix for the gtk3 indicator wrapper actually work?
[12:15] <brainwash> applied the patch, nothing changed
[14:31] <elfy> brainwash: I sent a mail to the list with the PPAs I think we've got for the new stuff for people to add anything else they know about
[19:03] <knome> did we/you schedule a meeting for today?
[19:04] <elfy> #agree Next meeting on Thursday, January 2nd at 19:00 UTC
[19:04] <knome> oki
[19:04] <elfy> seems like we were actually awake at that point :)
[19:04] <knome> ;)
[19:05] <elfy> /s/still awake
[19:05] <elfy> :)
[19:08] <brainwash> downloaded the daily image, fired up vbox and... lightdm greeter does not list the user "xubuntu"
[19:09] <brainwash> didn't someone fix this?
[19:10] <elfy> nope - if you look at the bug(s) you'll see that
[19:11] <elfy> none of this user session stuff has got further than triage for us
[19:11] <brainwash> so strange
[19:11] <elfy> and - if you don't bother to look at bugs - look at Iso tracker - where it's still listed
[19:12] <elfy> maybe so - I'm off now
[19:53] <knome> micahg, can you look into the session issue? Unit193 has created a branch that should fix the issue, now we just need updating some packages for that.
[19:53] <ElderDryas> pleia2: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/best-distro-2013.html (see 2nd Place :)
[19:57] <brainwash> wait what... the branch that fixes the user session is 2 weeks old
[19:57] <brainwash> knome: :(
[20:26] <Unit193> It's pretty easy to test, boot the live cd in text mode, create the file, service lightdm start.
[22:05] <Noskcaj> If we're going to put more xfce 4.11 parts in 14.04, we really should get them in sooner rather thn later. At least libxfce4ui.
[22:08] <Noskcaj> And can some more people on the team leave testimonials at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Noskcaj#Xubuntu_PackageSet ?


[20:12] <Guest7227> Hey I am running scripts with runcmd and I am trying to see if their error show up in result.json. The scripts that I am running are exiting with non 0 exit codes, but I am not able to see any of there errors with results.json. Is there something that I am missing?
[22:05] <falcojr> hmmm, there should be errors in status.json and result.json and /var/log/cloud-init.log. Are you sure they ran how you're expecting?


[03:13] <bluesabre> https://github.com/Xubuntu/lightdm-gtk-greeter/releases/tag/lightdm-gtk-greeter-2.0.9
[03:34] <bluesabre> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm-gtk-greeter/2.0.9-0ubuntu1
[04:16] <bluesabre> https://github.com/Xubuntu/lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings/releases/tag/lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings-1.2.3
[04:16] <bluesabre> ^ First release since 2017!
[04:16] <bluesabre> x.x
[04:17]  * bluesabre the unmaintainer
[04:25] <JackFrost> Oh.  Is that in a team I do things with?  Am I already there?  I tend to not touch lightdm things...
[04:26] <bluesabre> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings/1.2.3-0ubuntu1
[04:26] <bluesabre> I think lightdm-y things might be in pkg-xfce
[04:26] <JackFrost> They are, but eg I don't touch lightdm itself.
[04:27] <bluesabre> Fair :)
[05:14] <bluesabre> https://github.com/bluesabre/menulibre/releases/tag/menulibre-2.4.0
[05:37] <bluesabre> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/menulibre/2.4.0-0ubuntu1 too
[05:38] <bluesabre> And with that, I'm zapped.
[05:38]  * bluesabre waves


[04:49] <Lin-Buo-Ren> I encountered boot hang issue while entering graphics interface after applying the latest intel microcode update, just FYI
[04:49] <Lin-Buo-Ren> This PC is a Haswell based laptop
[04:51] <Lin-Buo-Ren> BTW, anyway to run `ubuntu-bug` command on a ubuntu-based distribution like KDE neon?
[05:00] <Lin-Buo-Ren> UPDATE: Not Haswell, but Ivybridge, apologies.
[06:24] <Lin-Buo-Ren> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/intel-microcode/+bug/1759920


[03:46] <mup> Bug #1738127 opened: UI should have icon from maas.io <MAAS:Triaged> <MAAS 2.3:New> <MAAS 2.4:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1738127>
[03:52] <mup> Bug #1738127 changed: UI should have icon from maas.io <MAAS:Triaged> <MAAS 2.3:New> <MAAS 2.4:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1738127>
[04:04] <mup> Bug #1738127 opened: UI should have icon from maas.io <MAAS:Triaged> <MAAS 2.3:New> <MAAS 2.4:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1738127>
[06:07] <mup> Bug #1736022 changed: failed to bridge devices: bridge activaction error: bridge activation failed: Killed old client process <juju> <juju:Incomplete> <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1736022>
[11:49] <mup> Bug #1738183 opened: Show image serial number <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1738183>
[16:05] <jose-phillips> hey
[16:05] <jose-phillips> question
[16:05] <jose-phillips> 2 question
[16:05] <jose-phillips> exist a way to configure iscsi device on MAAS
[16:05] <jose-phillips> if the answer is no how i can run a script during the deployment stage
[16:05] <jose-phillips> ?
[16:07] <jose-phillips> im performing a node diskless
[16:07] <jose-phillips> now during the deployment i need to execute the same script to perform the boot
[18:56] <mup> Bug #1738261 opened: Cannot commission machine in pod <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1738261>
[19:16] <jose-phillips> noone?
[19:25] <roaksoax> jose-phillips: maas doesn't have a specific way to configure iscsi on deployed machines
[19:25] <roaksoax> jose-phillips: you could probably do that with preseeds: e.g. https://docs.ubuntu.com/maas/2.3/en/nodes-custom#curtin-configuration


[10:15] <julen> Hi there! Is there any way to access them during the nodes during commissioning?
[10:15] <julen> I mean, the nodes...
[10:56] <mup> Bug #1702276 opened: [2.2.1] Unable to add interface to device <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1702276>
[12:44] <ybaumy> so if anyone has a problem scanning vmware nodes on the vcenter and adding them to maas. you might want to take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1701476
[12:44] <ybaumy> i could find a solution
[13:07] <julen> Even do I set a custom NTP server, the nodes keep trying to reach ntp.ubuntu.com. Is there an easy way around that?
[13:55] <D4RKS1D3> It could be possible to deploy an OS with command line?
[13:55] <D4RKS1D3> maas ubuntu node commission node-xxxxx
[13:55] <D4RKS1D3> thanks
[13:57] <julen> @D4RKS1D3: Definitely
[13:57] <D4RKS1D3> could you explain me how?
[13:57] <D4RKS1D3> @julen
[13:58] <julen> I am not super expert, but it is the same as with all the rest of the environments, like virsh, opestack, lxc, docker, ...
[13:59] <julen> it's just about the syntax
[13:59] <julen> let me check very quick
[13:59] <julen> maas ubuntu machines read
[13:59] <julen> that shows the available machines
[14:00] <julen> maas testmaas machine -h
[14:00] <julen> that shows all the options
[14:02] <ybaumy> i have another problem now. maas is displaying 0 for memory
[14:02] <ybaumy> so when i use juju bootstrap. the command cannot find any machine with memory
[14:04] <julen> memory for the node?
[14:04] <julen> that is probably because the node has not been commissioned propely
[14:05] <ybaumy> julen: it says ready after commisioning
[14:05] <julen> oh! ok...
[14:06] <ybaumy> root@maas:~# maas baum machines read  | grep memory "memory": 0,
[14:06] <ybaumy> there is everywhere 0 for all machines
[14:06] <julen> so, if you make "maas ubuntu machines read |grep memory" it shows "memory": 0,   right?
[14:06] <ybaumy> correct
[14:07] <julen> is the CPU and the Disk info OK?
[14:07] <ybaumy> julen: yes thats correct
[14:07] <ybaumy> maybe that because i use vcenter 6.5
[14:08] <D4RKS1D3> @julen I saw that info but is nothing with deploy...
[14:09] <ybaumy> i tried juju bootstrap cloud ctrl --constraints mem=0G
[14:09] <ybaumy> but memory is set again to default value
[14:09] <julen> I don't know... maybe check on the commissioning logs, on the "00-maas-01-lshw" or something
[14:09] <ybaumy> not 0
[14:10] <julen> can you deploy the machines without juju?
[14:10] <ybaumy> gonna try
[14:15] <ybaumy> this works
[14:15] <ybaumy> but still no memory information
[14:16] <ybaumy> i will file a bugreport later
[14:16] <ybaumy> gotta go now
[14:17] <julen> ybaumy: then it is probably on the juju side
[15:47] <mup> Bug #1702329 opened: Set NTP server for 'timesyncd' <ntp> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1702329>
[15:50] <mup> Bug #1702329 changed: Set NTP server for 'timesyncd' <ntp> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1702329>
[15:53] <mup> Bug #1702329 opened: Set NTP server for 'timesyncd' <ntp> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1702329>
[16:23] <mup> Bug #1702332 opened: http_proxy only for apt? <http-proxy> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1702332>
[18:01] <ThiagoCMC> guys, I'm seeing that MaaS 2.2 is now at the PPA maas/stable, however, I'm on maas/next PPA. So, to "upgrade" to maas/stable, can I just run: "add-apt-repository ppa:maas/stable ; apt update ; apt full-upgrade ; ppa-purge ppa:maas/next" ?
[18:02] <ThiagoCMC> Sorry, I'll not run "apt full-upgrade" before "ppa purge ppa:maas/next"!
[18:03] <ThiagoCMC> Otherwise, it will upgrade from maas/next and the version that I have installed now, is the same that is now at maas/stable.
[18:29] <pmatulis> ThiagoCMC, what version are you on now? 2.2.0 is in 'stable'
[18:29] <pmatulis> and 2.2.1 is in 'next'
[18:31] <ThiagoCMC> I did not upgraded to 2.2.1. I have the same version that it is now at maas/stable (2.2.0+bzr6054).
[18:32] <ThiagoCMC> Looks like that if I move from maas/next (not upgraded to its latest), I'll end up with the same version, but diff PPA...
[18:32] <ThiagoCMC> I mean, from maas/next to maas/stable.
[18:33] <pmatulis> yes, correct, if you're on 2.2.0
[18:33] <pmatulis> ThiagoCMC, personally, i would just comment out the 'next' PPA lines (in its file) and then add 'stable'. then un/commenting lines you can toggle in the future
[18:34] <ThiagoCMC> Hmm... That might be a better idea.
[18:34] <ThiagoCMC> =)
[18:35] <ThiagoCMC> But I already executed the ppa-purge... lol
[18:35] <ThiagoCMC> Nothing really happened: "maas is already the newest version (2.2.0+bzr6054-0ubuntu1~16.04.1)."    Damn...
[18:36] <ThiagoCMC> "Unpacking curtin-common (0.1.0~bzr505-0ubuntu1~16.04.1) over (0.1.0~bzr482-0ubuntu1~16.04.1)"
[18:36] <ThiagoCMC> Cheers!
[18:36] <pmatulis> it's all good. nicely done
[18:38] <ThiagoCMC> Thanks!


[12:14] <pef> good night !
[12:19] <jp> jdub, are you there?
[12:33] <HiddenWolf> jp, the fashionable way to ask that around here is "ping?"
[12:33] <HiddenWolf> the proper response being "pong"
[12:33] <HiddenWolf> ;)
[12:34] <robitaille> but variations have been known to occur on the ping/pong front
[01:09] <jp> hahahha
[01:09] <jp> ok HiddenWolf and robitaille :)
[01:56] <Riddell> what's the services program jorge is blogging about here? http://www.whiprush.org/2005/07/services.html
[02:01] <tiglionabbit> when I try to print something from firefox, it omits most of the text on the page.  I can print properly from other programs like OpenOffice.  What could be configured wrong?
[02:01] <JanC> Riddell : it's in GNOME in System --> Administration (or something like that, my locale is in Dutch)
[02:04] <tiglionabbit> could someone help me?  I can find no information on this problem..
[02:09] <JanC> Riddell : services-admin
[02:09] <Riddell> JanC: does it work on Ubuntu?
[02:10] <Riddell> JanC: is there a package?  apt-cache doesn't know about it
[02:10] <JanC> never changed anything with it   :)
[02:10] <tiglionabbit> when I try to print a postcript file it says "Cannot execute print command:    ".  What is the print command I should configure it with?
[02:12] <carstenh> Riddell: it is included in gnome-system-tools in breezy
[02:13] <tiglionabbit> guys
[02:14] <tiglionabbit> when I lpr a postscript file, it skips printing a lot of the text in it.  It's awful
[02:14] <tiglionabbit> what's up with this?
[02:27] <tiglionabbit> somebody help me, please
[02:29] <tiglionabbit> it wont print pdfs or postscript files or html files
[02:59] <dos> hi guys, 13 july I downloaded the 13 july dialy iso and on the installation (blue iinstaller) I got: initnrd error, and today I downloaded 15 july iso and I got the same... :/ just saying that error...
[02:59] <dos> :(
[03:01] <dos> initrd
[03:01] <dos> :/
[03:01] <dos> I think I'll download the colony :)
[03:04] <tiglionabbit> does anyone know how I can configure my printer properly?  It is ommitting large amounts of text from postscript and pdf files
[03:04] <schweeb> sounds like you're using the raw driver
[03:05] <tiglionabbit> what should I do to fix it?
[03:05] <schweeb> you need to select a driver specific for your printer
[03:05] <tiglionabbit> I did
[03:05] <tiglionabbit> I have an HP Deskjet 920C.  I added my printer as exactly that
[03:05] <schweeb> think you need  to install ghostscript or something
[03:05] <schweeb> are you using cups?
[03:05] <schweeb> btw, this is a #ubuntu question
[03:05] <tiglionabbit> I think.  I tried to print using the "lps" command
[03:06] <tiglionabbit> I'm not sure how it's set up, but it's Hoary Hedgehog and I haven't changed anything
[03:06] <tiglionabbit> about the printer
[03:06] <tiglionabbit> it doesn't print the text that should be on the sample page
[03:07] <tiglionabbit> how do I install ghostscript?  I have gsfonts
[03:08] <tiglionabbit> I've been in #ubuntu and haven't gotten any help
[03:08] <tiglionabbit> I'm usually the one helping other peopel
[03:12] <LinuxJones> tiglionabbit, have you run gnome-cups-manager ?
[03:13] <carstenh_> tiglionabbit: do you know apt-cache? if not install gs :)
[03:14] <tiglionabbit> what I have done is system -> admin -> printers, and added my printer
[03:14] <tiglionabbit> er, printing
[03:14] <LinuxJones> tiglionabbit, was your printer listed ?
[03:15] <tiglionabbit> yes
[03:16] <calc> whats going on between capplets and gnome-control-center?
[03:16] <calc> is capplets deprecated now?
[03:17] <tiglionabbit> Okay, I've removed the printer and added it again from detected, and it still misses the text.  And what gs package do you want me to install?  There are 8 packages that start with "gs"
[03:20] <calc> hmm it seems gnome-control-center replaces capplets but hasn't been updated
[03:20] <carstenh_> tiglionabbit: i did not read the complete discussion, but there are three  different flavors of the Ghostscript PostScript interpreter... (see apt-cache show gs-common). i don't know which is the best
[03:27] <tiglionabbit> http://nickr.kicks-ass.net/~nick/badprint.jpg
[03:27] <tiglionabbit> there's a pdf, looky, no text!  wtf
[04:17] <lamont-away> mdz/elmo/kamion: anyone know if python-apt got updated to deal with tilde's?  could we get that into hoary-updates?
[04:17] <lamont-away> kthx
[05:16] <davyd> has bad things happened in breezy re the syncing of version numbers for GNOME?
[05:25] <jdub> davyd: ?
[05:25] <davyd> jdub: it's trying to uninstall a lot of things
[05:25] <davyd> because of version mismatches
[05:26] <davyd> this is on amd64, so it could be specific to that
[05:27] <jdub> ah, more X
[05:40] <mrd`> The X fixes that have been uploaded include fulfilling the dependencies for xbase-clients -42?
[05:40] <infinity> mrd` : Not yet.  Wait until mid-week.
[05:41] <infinity> davyd : amd64 is currently out of date, cause the buildds are down.
[05:42] <davyd> infinity: aah, wonderful
[05:42] <infinity> davyd : Should clear up in a few days, but then X will be broken for a bit. :)
[05:42] <mrd`> Hm... in the mean time it's causing xkeyboard-config to conflict... is it safe to force xkeyboard-config to install?
[05:42] <davyd> that would explain my world of pain
[05:42] <davyd> I wish that had been mentioned before I dist-upgraded
[05:44] <infinity> mrd` : Check the -devel mailing list.  There's lots of talk about this, including advice (and links) to install xbase-clients -36 to work around current breakage.
[05:45] <mrd`> infinity: Hm, too late... I just --force-overwrite'd xkeyboard-config. :)
[05:48] <mrd`> Poo, swap-caps-lock still doesn't work. :/
[05:52] <bddebian> Poo? :-)
[05:52] <mrd`> Yeah, poo.
[05:52] <mrd`> I like having a usable control key. :)
[05:57] <bddebian> Yes I could see where that would be useful. :-)
[05:57] <mrd`> Yeah... every once in a while I find a use for the control key on the command line.
[05:58] <mrd`> Oh well.  I'm l33t h4x0r that lives on the bleeding edge... this is what I deserve.
[05:58] <bddebian> heh
[06:00] <mrd`> ... oddly ctrl+alt+f1 now just results in 'P' being entered.
[06:01] <bddebian> Nice feature
[06:02] <davyd> yeah, imagine when you break your P key
[06:02] <mrd`> Thank God.
[06:02] <bddebian> davyd: lol
[06:04] <mrd`> Bah, I don't seem to be able to get a lowercase p though.
[06:04] <daniels> 'vt switch key does not respect modifiers'
[06:04] <bddebian> I was just gonna say that... haha
[06:05] <mgalvin_away> hey guys, whats a good irc logging bot, er which do we use here?
[06:05] <mrd`> daniels: Pfft, you and your technicalities.
[06:05] <mrd`> At least 'sudo chvt 1' works.
[06:06] <bddebian> mgalvin: I have used supybot in the past and liked it
[06:07] <mgalvin> bddebian, thnx, i will give that one a try
[06:08] <bddebian> NP
[06:08] <mrd`> daniels: Are you already aware of this problem, or should I file with bugzilla?
[06:08] <daniels> nope, but sounds cool.  bz, please
[06:08] <mrd`> Alright.
[06:09] <mrd`> File on package 'xorg'?
[06:10] <daniels> file it on xlibs-data for the time being
[06:19] <mrd`> Filed.
[06:49] <seth_k> can somebody with editbugs mark #12568 as dupe of #8925 sometime, thanks
[06:50] <seth_k> also how does one apply for editbugs; i've reported some and patched some... wouldn't use it a whole lot, but would be nice to mark the occasional dupe or invalid
[07:24] <Mitario> mornin everyone
[07:24] <Mitario> has anyone seen mdz lately?
[07:33] <jdub> Mitario: he's at debconf
[07:33] <Mitario> hmm, ok
[07:33] <Mitario> (which I think should be in breezy)
[07:37] <dilinger> Mitario: he was up a few hours ago, playing guitar
[07:37] <dilinger> 's what i'm told, anyways
[07:37] <Mitario> ah
[07:37] <Mitario> well yeah i knew he was busy with debconf, but i was hoping for my e-mail to peak trough his work schedule :)
[07:38] <Mitario> and since michael vogt is on vacation now :/
[07:38] <Mitario> and upstream version freeze is in place..
[07:39] <whiprush> seth_k: marked. see /topic on #ubuntu-bugs for the edit bugs thing.
[07:46] <Mitario> when will debconf be over?
[08:39] <davyd> what is messed up with xlibs-42?
[08:46] <sivang> hi all
[09:29] <\sh> morning
[09:33] <pef> hi
[09:34] <lamont-away> xorg_6.8.2-42_hppa.changes
[09:34] <Lathiat> heh
[09:34] <lamont-away> (it replaces -32, which was the last one that built
[09:34] <siretart> any buildd admin available?
[09:35] <lamont-away> siretart: sup?
[09:35] <siretart> Can someone check http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/c/cpphs/0.7-2ubuntu1/
[09:35] <\sh> hmm
[09:35] <siretart> lamont: the package builds on my pbuilder, but not in sbuild. I think there is some manual intervention needed, but I'm not that sure about this
[09:36] <siretart> it tries to install ghc6 (which is not installable), but has hugs as alternative (which is)
[09:36] <lamont> those are totally whacked build-deps, but that shouldn't prevent it...
[09:36] <siretart> the whole process is because of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUGhc6Transition
[09:36] <lamont> ghc6 is in the archive, and listed first, so sbuild tries it.
[09:36] <lamont> pbuilder does it in the reverse order.
[09:36] <lamont> have we mentioned recently that or'ed build-deps are evil?
[09:36] <siretart> ghc6 is broken
[09:37] <lamont> right
[09:37] <lamont> what
[09:37] <lamont> what's broken about it?
[09:37] <siretart> lamont: this is designed by the debian maintainer. should I change that?
[09:37] <siretart> ghc6 is uninstallable because there is no libgmp3 anymore available
[09:37] <lamont> well, in _theory_ the first package listed in the or-list is preferred.
[09:37] <siretart> it was renamed to libgmp3c2
[09:38] <lamont> is ghc6 buildable?
[09:38] <siretart> it build depends on ghc6
[09:38] <siretart> :/
[09:38] <\sh> wow..my spamassasin is so good to me, it filters spam from debian-devel..clever
[09:38] <siretart> so we try to work around this, sistpoty did create ghc6-bootstrap package
[09:38] <lamont> that would be most cool
[09:38] <siretart> but this needs other build dependencies, e.g. cpphs
[09:39] <siretart> the status for this is on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUGhc6Transition
[09:39] <lamont> and so it's really still circular
[09:39] <siretart> cpphs builds with hugs!
[09:39] <lamont> too late here for me to coherently think about working on it tonight.....
[09:39] <siretart> oh
[09:40] <lamont> if hugs would be preferable (and break the circle)... then an upload with hugs listed first would be a solution
[09:40] <siretart> hugs is an alternative to ghc6, cpphs need either ghc6 or hugs, (ghc6 preffered, of course)
[09:40] <lamont> and btw, the new charlie and the chocolate factory movie is sick.  Highly recommended
[09:40] <\sh> and to early to get my X running again..
[09:40] <siretart> lamont: ok, then I'll prepare a new transitional cpphs package. right?
[09:41] <lamont> E: Package hugs has no installation candidate
[09:41] <lamont> that's on {i386,ppc,ia64}, at least
[09:42] <siretart> damn
[09:43] <siretart> err
[09:43] <lamont> worst case is to come up with a set of .debs and a sequence of builds that will produce success.  Provide me with those and I'll make it happen.  The ideal is to have it just happen in the archive/autobuilders.  but I fear we may need to re-bootstrap ghc6
[09:43] <siretart> in my breezy chroot, there is hugs
[09:43] <lamont> oh...
[09:43] <lamont> my bad.
[09:43] <lamont> probably just have main in the sources.list on those chroots.
[09:43] <siretart> yes, this is universe stuff
[09:43] <lamont> so an upload of cpphs listing hugs first might be all that is needed
[09:44] <siretart> ok. on my way
[09:44] <lamont> but if you do that, please _leave_ it that way for a good long time...
[09:45] <lamont> that is, if you build cpphs with hugs, does it then Depend: hugs, or does ghc6 provide the same virtual package (if any Depend is present)???
[09:45] <siretart> will check that, but I don't think so
[09:45] <siretart> cpphs uploaded
[09:46] <siretart> lamont: the idea is to get cpphs and haskell-utils built without any need of ghc6, which seems possible
[09:47] <siretart> lamont: after that we try to build ghc6-bootstrap (a completly new package packaged by sistpoty), which can build ghc6 itself
[09:51] <siretart> ok, it got accepted. now let's see what the autobuilders do ;)
[09:57] <lamont> siretart: part of my desire here is that sparc and hppa just work when they finally get that far...
[09:58] <siretart> lamont: I see. the way described on MOTUGhc6Transition should allow that. if you have any objections, feel free to give us cluebats ;)
[09:59] <lamont> ok.  I'll try to remember to give it a read tomorrow...  of course, if I actually even knew what ghc6 was (other than in rough conceptual terms), I might actually care...
[09:59] <lamont> care more.  I meant to say more. :-)
[09:59] <siretart> :)
[09:59] <\sh> lol
[10:00] <siretart> ghc6 is the most grown up haskell implementation available
[10:00] <lamont> right.  so if I knew anything about what haskell is......
[10:00] <siretart> nearly everything which is written in haskell (darcs and whitspace to name prominent examples) build depend on ghc6
[10:00] <siretart> :)
[10:00] <siretart> ok
[10:00] <siretart> gotta do more stuff here. *wave*
[10:06] <lamont> enjoy
[10:06] <Kamion> Riddell: the seeds aren't always the same between Ubuntu and Kubuntu/Edubuntu though - in particular the seeds looked at by the ./update script are almost certainly not the same
[10:09] <Kamion> aargh
[10:09] <Kamion> Riddell: 'chmod g+w<EMAIL_ADDRESS>on chinstrap please
[10:09] <Kamion> then I can do this merge ...
[10:12] <lamont> Riddell: and fix your umask, too. :-)
[10:13] <nomeata> Hi. Is there a list of souces for Ubuntu's universe?
[10:14] <daniels> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/universe/source/Sources.gz?
[10:17] <nomeata> daniels: no, I'm looking for the origins of the packages. There is debian unstable, but supposedly, there are more
[10:17] <jdub> tjere
[10:17] <jdub> there aren't much more
[10:17] <jdub> and the extras we have are in main
[10:18] <jdub> if anywhere
[10:18] <jdub> well
[10:18] <jdub> that's not entirely true
[10:18] <nomeata> so there are more :-)
[10:18] <Kamion> there're a few bits in multiverse actually
[10:18] <Kamion> but it's like marillat, apt-get.org, blah
[10:18] <jdub> there are a bunch of other things in multi-- yeah
[10:18] <nomeata> Kamion: only multiverse? So universe is a proper subset of debian unstable?
[10:18] <bob2> no
[10:19] <Kamion> making set-theoretic claims about a distribution is kind of tricky
[10:19] <Kamion> there were some new packages introduced into universe by the universe maintainers
[10:20] <nomeata> ok, I rephrase: For all package in universe, that have not originated from debian unstable, where do they come from.
[10:20] <maswan> jdub: poked jbailey yet? :)
[10:20] <nomeata> Ok, so it is either debian unstable, or manual upload by MOTU?
[10:20] <Kamion> where do packages in unstable come from? (same answer.)
[10:20] <jdub> maswan: yeah, i'll poke again :)
[10:20] <maswan> jdub: ta
[10:20] <nomeata> Kamion: well, unstable does not autmatically pull from anywhere. while universe seemts to (from unstable, in this case)
[10:21] <Kamion> nomeata: I *think* that's true at the moment but I'd have to run a full comparison to be sure
[10:21] <nomeata> Kamion: thanks. Is there a list of manually uplaoded packages, that are not in unstable?
[10:21] <Kamion> no, not without essentially performing the set subtraction yourself
[10:21] <Kamion> you could go look at the archives of the *-changes lists and get it that way
[10:21] <jdub> would packages.ubuntu.com have something that could determine that?
[10:22] <Kamion> oh, also anything with a version number matching *ubuntu* was manually uploaded
[10:22] <Kamion> that's the mechanism by which we suppress auto-syncing
[10:22] <jdub> though some of our packages don't have that
[10:22] <nomeata> Kamion: ah, that's a nice tipp
[10:24] <Kamion> jdub: right, some - I think that's mostly main rather than universe, though I haven't checked
[10:24] <nomeata> this should do the job,right: lynx -source http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/universe/source/Sources.gz|zcat|grep-dctrl -FVersion ubuntu -s Package
[10:25] <Kamion> that'll get you most of them, but (a) isn't guaranteed to include everything, (b) will also include packages from unstable/whatever that we've modified
[10:25] <nomeata> ok, thanks
[10:25] <jdub> nomeata: that will only really tell you about packages with ubuntu changes
[10:26] <nomeata> jdub: so not packages that are uploaded to ubuntu directly?
[10:27] <Kamion> some of those too - many get *-0ubuntu1
[10:28] <jdub> everything with ubuntu in the version number is uploaded directly
[10:28] <jdub> but it doesn't guarantee they're exclusive to ubuntu at all, far from it
[10:29] <jdub> it really means "changed by ubuntu", and i don't think we've made sure that *all* exclusive to ubuntu packages have it in their version number
[10:29] <jdub> or even that there's any special origin or anything
[10:29] <\sh> daniels: sorry to bug u, but any workaround for "fatal error: ca't find ffixed font" which I didn't try out already?
[10:32] <\sh> daniels: ok..the last shot was correct...missing link to /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc
[10:33] <cat> ):D
[10:33] <\sh> thx to cat...I owe him some beer..
[10:33] <cat> yeah i'm gonna go read a lil bit check you later \sh a pleasured to meet ya
[10:34] <\sh> cat: thx for u r help...sometimes someone doesn't see the forrest with all those trees in front of it
[10:34] <cat> true
[10:35] <\sh> ok..switching to work mode ;)
[10:37] <nomeata> ok, thanks guys. this command seems to give me packages missing in debian (run on debian): for package in  $(cat /tmp/Sources|grep-dctrl -FVersion ubuntu -s Package|cut -c10-); do apt-cache search --names-only $package |grep -q . || echo $package ; done
[11:13] <lamont> g'night
[11:18] <Riddell> Kamion: g+w done (and I'm sure I had my umask set...)
[11:23] <TPC> I thougt this keyboard layout problem was supposed to be fixed, but after just updating my breezy test machine I get it again
[11:23] <TPC> it defaults to us layoyut, and if I try to change to a Swedish one it crashes
[11:24] <TPC> so now I can only type a to z the way I\m used to
[11:24] <TPC> I am
[11:24] <TPC> see, can t even shorten things like that
[11:24] <TPC> just reporting that its broken again
[11:27] <TPC> here is a screenshot of the error: http://www.tpwch.com/temp/error.png
[11:27] <TPC> is there some better place to report this -questionmark-
[11:28] <bob2> the bts...
[01:53] <seb128> thom: roooh
[01:54] <seb128> thom: no way!
[01:54] <thom> the new upload appears to work, fwiw
[01:54] <seb128> I knew it, you do an upload for something and next day people point you as new maintainer :p
[01:55] <seb128> thom: nice :) But some people start asking why we don't have 1.0.5 :/
[01:55] <thom> seb128: heh
[02:15] <chrissturm> will gtk 2.7 land in breezy?
[02:16] <seb128> when upstream state that GNOME 2.12 will use 2.8
[02:16] <chrissturm> and thats not decided yet?
[02:16] <seb128> they are not sure between 2.6 and 2.8 (though it seems that 2.8 will be fine)
[02:16] <seb128> no
[02:16] <seb128> you can use my people.ubuntu.com page to get i
[02:16] <seb128> i386 packages
[02:16] <chrissturm> cool
[02:16] <tseng> seb128: fonts seem odd with 2.8
[02:16] <seb128> tseng: no bug, no fix
[02:17] <seb128> they are fine here ...
[02:17] <seb128> what's wrong with your fonts?
[02:17] <tseng> they are much larger than with 2.6
[02:17] <tseng> at the same dpi
[02:18] <seb128> they don't use the dpi setting
[02:18] <seb128> that's a known issue
[02:18] <tseng> figured as much.
[02:19] <seb128> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=305391
[02:19] <tseng> rock.
[02:20] <ogra> seb128, did you recognize that xscreensaver stops working as soon as you have gnome-screensaver installed ? even if xscreensaver runs, locking doesnt work for me... seems they clash soehow
[02:21] <seb128> GNOME starts xscreensaver
[02:21] <seb128> it needs a patch to use gnome-screensaver
[02:21] <seb128> but killing xscreensaver before starting gnome-screensaver works fine here
[02:21] <ogra> yep, but xscreensaver doesnt work anymore...
[02:22] <thom> yeah, the hinting seems very different
[02:22] <mdke> just out of interest, is anyone developing a grub configuration tool @gnome/ubuntu?
[02:22] <seb128> ogra: maybe they should conflict yep
[02:23] <seb128> mdke: gnome-system-tools has one, but it needs to be fixed to handle the autogenerated format for update-grub
[02:23] <ogra> mdke, GraphicalConfigTools has a minimal one.... i didnt move it to breezy yet and am not sure if i find the time
[02:23] <mdke> thanks
[02:23] <mdke> so basically, help needed
[02:24] <seb128> always welcome
[02:24] <seb128> same as for patches :)
[02:24] <ogra> mdke, not really, i have a bounty student who should care for it
[02:24] <mdke> ah good
[02:24] <seb128> ogra: fixing the gst one or reinventing the wheel ?
[02:24] <ogra> and his ndiswrapper gui is ready soon, so he'll be out of order then :)
[02:24] <mdke> eugh
[02:24] <chrissturm> what about "boot manager settings" in breezy. isnt that some kind of grub config? :)
[02:24] <ogra> seb128, fixing either of them
[02:24] <mdke> grub > ndiswrapper ;)
[02:25] <seb128> chrissturm: that's it
[02:25] <chrissturm> whats the problem with it?
[02:25] <ogra> mdke, but ndiswrapper was good for training pygtk skills... its a simple fileselector for the .inf file
[02:26] <mdke> all good
[02:26] <ogra> now he's ready for something bigger :)
[02:26] <mdke> heh
[02:26] <mdke> ogra has an apprentice
[02:26] <ogra> seb128, i dont like the gst one, too many options to break your system....
[02:27] <ogra> seb128, while in fact you only need two options to adjust... timeout and default OS
[02:27] <ogra> (for grub)
[02:27] <mdke> hmm
[02:27] <ogra> mdke, ?
[02:28] <mdke> my grub menu had two copies of everything after i installed a breezy partition. i would have used a graphical tool to remove the duplicates
[02:28] <ogra> mdke, but you know what youre doing
[02:28] <mdke> debateable
[02:28] <mdke> but i know what you mean
[02:28] <chrissturm> mdke, dont you have system/administration/boot ?
[02:28] <ogra> mdke, imagine you remove the wrong one :)
[02:29] <mdke> chrissturm, i'm on hoary so I haven't looked yet
[02:29] <mdke> ogra, true
[02:29] <chrissturm> ogra, just dont let him remove the one that he is currently running
[02:30] <ogra> that was my main concern with bum.... thesaltydog wasnt to convince that he should supress the option to remove udev, else i would have promoted it for main inclusion
[02:30] <mdke> ogra, i guess you could put in the ability to change colours and other such things in the grub config
[02:30] <ogra> chrissturm, yes, good idea, but gst doesnt provide uch functionallity yet
[02:31] <ogra> mdke, sure.... everything that doesnt break your system is fine
[02:31] <mdke> passwords, hiddenmenu, timeout, colour, default OS
[02:31] <ogra> yep
[02:47] <Keybuk> Kamion: ping?
[03:06] <opi> smurfix: ping, are you there? :-)
[03:07] <smurfix> opi: not really
[03:07] <smurfix> anything important?
[03:07] <opi> smurfix: not really, I just wanted to ask you for planet.ubuntu-pl.org IN A ;)
[03:07] <opi> smurfix: but that's low pri, if you have something more important
[03:08] <smurfix> opi: send email please
[03:08] <opi> smurfix: I'll pas
[03:08] <opi> smurfix: OK, have fun
[03:08] <smurfix> opi: I'm going to take my hammock, two trees, and a few hours ;-)
[03:08] <opi> smurfix: looks like hi priority task to me
[03:08] <smurfix> opi: exactly ;-)
[03:08] <opi> smurfix: throw a beer, too ;)
[03:09] <opi> OK, off with me
[03:10] <ogra> smurfix, have fun :)
[03:26] <\sh> ogra: hammock? translate ,-) i'm too lazy right now ;)
[03:26] <ogra> haengematte
[03:26] <\sh> hmm....
[03:26] <ogra> \sh, have you seen this ? http://www.ubuntu-de.org/viewtopic.php?t=3759&highlight=thunderbird
[03:27] <\sh> ogra: I'm not in this forum business ;)
[03:27] <ogra> "...the taskbar has a buttonbar to switch between 4 monitors in the lower right.... why do they include it? i only have one monitor..." *g*
[03:29] <davyd> I think GNOME could really benefit from better documentation for some of these things
[03:29] <\sh> well..yes...read on my german weblog...there is link...and that's really annoying to read for 2005
[03:29] <ogra> "a very important folder is 'etc' , from the latin 'et cetera' thats the folder where programmers put all the stuff they dont know where to put durig development... thus you will also find some important files here..."
[03:30] <davyd> where is that from?
[03:31] <dilinger> i'd put $5 down on slashdot
[03:31] <ogra> "the files from the CDROM are copied into the /dev/cdrom folder, dev stands for 'development' this shall show that the cdrom support in linux is still under development and not stable..."
[03:31] <ogra> davyd, http://www.ubuntu-de.org/viewtopic.php?t=3759&highlight=thunderbird
[03:32] <ogra> the german ubuntu forum... but quotes from a linux help site...http://linuxpraxis.li.funpic.de/
[03:33] <ogra> "linux uses harddisks as virtual images but since you even cant access these as root directly you need a image manipulation program like the gimp to make them accessible..."
[03:34] <jdub> ?!
[03:34] <jdub> creative
[03:34] <ogra> ^^ my favorite... :)
[03:41] <davyd> too many years of working in IT support taught me that all manner of things are awfully serious
[03:41] <davyd> particularly to managing directors, who seem incapable of comprehending the fact that something malicious might be able to ask questions of him, that somehow aren't identified as that software
[03:41] <tseng> much better.
[03:41] <infinity> ogra : Please tell me this is a joke.
[03:48] <\sh> tseng: wow...now the reiser looks like my xfs ,-)
[03:49] <tseng> \sh: me? reiser? no thanks.
[03:50] <davyd> 1000% more elite then any competing filesystem
[03:51] <davyd> incidently, my breezy installs are a little hosed, I hope I don't lose power before I can fix them up
[03:51] <davyd> if this was Debian, our Sunday morning and Monday morning were always the best time for new code
[03:52] <davyd> I've never noticed a trend with Ubuntu
[03:52] <tseng> davyd: !weekend
[03:52] <tseng> the canonical dudes burn most of the oil during the working week
[03:52] <davyd> yeah, I live in fear that it's going to be Wednesday or Thursday before I feel I can reboot
[03:53] <tseng> you cant reboot?
[03:53] <davyd> there are currently things running in memory
[03:53] <davyd> that the installed versions are a little fucked up
[03:53] <\sh> davyd: if u speak about Xorg...I think with 1mio bucks for daniels...you will get Xorg working tomorrow ,-)
[03:53] <davyd> \sh: I asked him if there was a Melbourne based mail order liquor store
[03:53] <lsuactiafner> is there an app that reinitialises the display, like when you lose the console running x and going back to console brings the console up again...
[03:54] <davyd> there would be a six pack from Mr James Squire heading his way
[03:54] <bytee_> he's not in melbourne atm, i think
[03:54] <davyd> man, he gets around... where is he?
[03:54] <\sh> davyd: well...I got it running..after some hours
[03:54] <\sh> 34h now
[03:55] <davyd> \sh: this is the xlibs uninstallableness?
[03:55] <\sh> davyd: this is xlibs, xbase-clients, and font problems again..
[03:55] <davyd> \sh: is it an easy fix once you know?
[03:55] <\sh> install xlibs 6.8.2-36, and xbase-clients
[03:56] <\sh> apt-pin xlibs to this version
[03:56] <\sh> install the apps from utils
[03:56] <\sh> xutils
[03:56] <\sh> old version as well :)
[03:56] <davyd> is there an ubuntu version of snapshot?
[03:56] <Mez> davud - the screencaprture program ?
[03:56] <\sh> then create a link from /usr/share/X11/fonts/misc to /usr/lib/X11/fonts/
[03:56] <\sh> update your xorg.conf
[03:56] <Mez> davyd *
[03:57] <davyd> Mez: no, snapshot.debian.net
[03:57] <\sh> change your fontsettings to match /usr/lib/X11/fonts/*
[03:57] <\sh> and hopefully it starts without german keyboard ,-)
[03:57] <davyd> since I only installed this machine, I don't have older packages in my cache
[03:58] <\sh> davyd: read ubuntu-devel...there is a mail with the links to old packages
[03:58] <davyd> cheers
[04:01] <Lathiat> http://morgue.ubuntu.com
[04:01] <davyd> \sh: one of those is architecture dependant
[04:01] <davyd> Lathiat: oh, nice
[04:02] <Lathiat> :) handy
[04:02] <Lathiat> im just waiting for daniels to unbreak it for me
[04:02] <davyd> it appears to only go up to march
[04:23] <bddebian> Hello
[04:23] <Lathiat> seb128: know about file:/// urls nto working?
[04:24] <seb128> "nautilus file:///usr" works here, just tried
[04:24] <Lathiat> seb128: try gnome-open
[04:24] <seb128> I guess "no"
[04:24] <seb128> gnome-open is not made for that
[04:24] <Lathiat> well, places->blah doesnt work
[04:25] <seb128> it works for me
[04:25] <Lathiat> and gives the same error that doesnt for me anyway
[04:25] <Lathiat> ok
[04:25] <Lathiat> what woudl be good debugging info?
[04:25] <seb128> try with an another user
[04:25] <seb128> I would blame a gconf setting
[04:25] <Lathiat> i get "There is no default action associated with thsi location"
[04:25] <Lathiat> righto
[04:26] <seb128> have you set a "/desktop/gnome/url-handlers/file" or some such b0rker
[04:26] <seb128> ?
[04:26] <Lathiat> i dont have one
[04:27] <Lathiat> and it doesnt exist in /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults either
[04:27] <Lathiat> so no
[04:30] <Lathiat> bleh, xnest adn gdmflexiserver are broken
[04:31] <Lathiat> broken with another user too
[04:32] <wasabi> It can be considered a milestone when I actually start using Nautilus for everyday tasks, instead of popping open the terminal.
[04:32] <seb128> Lathiat: good luck to debug, there is no such bug upstream or on the ubuntu bugzilla and that works fine for me
[04:33] <Lathiat> seb128: right, hence my question, what woudl be good debugging info, as i have no idea
[04:34] <Lathiat> wasabi: heh
[04:34] <seb128> Lathiat: "gnomevfs-info file:///usr"?
[04:34] <seb128> what is "MIME type"/"Default app"
[04:34] <Lathiat> want th e toutput?
[04:35] <Lathiat> ahh
[04:35] <Lathiat> it is
[04:35] <Lathiat> x-directory/normal, default ap... dont see one
[04:35] <seb128> what distro do you use?
[04:35] <Lathiat> ubuntu breezy...
[04:35] <seb128> "dpkg -l libgnomevfs2-common" ?
[04:35] <Lathiat> 2.11.3-0ubuntu1
[04:36] <wasabi> gnomevfs-info doesn't show default app for me either.
[04:36] <seb128> update to 2.11.4
[04:36] <wasabi> heh
[04:36] <seb128> it doesn't build probably if you guys don't have it :p
[04:36] <Lathiat> broken X stuff might be holding back an update
[04:36] <Lathiat> yeh
[04:36] <Lathiat> this broken X stuff is holding back the update
[04:37] <seb128> no, it FTFBS http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/g/gnome-vfs2/2.11.4-0ubuntu1/
[04:37] <Lathiat> ah
[04:39] <seb128> Lathiat: grep directory /usr/share/applications/nautilus-folder-handler.desktop ?
[04:39] <Lathiat> nothing
[04:41] <seb128> that's the issue
[04:41] <seb128> dpkg -S /usr/share/applications/nautilus-folder-handler.desktop ?
[04:41] <Lathiat> nautilus
[04:41] <seb128> grumpf
[04:41] <seb128> you have edited this file?
[04:42] <Lathiat> nope
[04:42] <seb128> grep MimeType /usr/share/applications/nautilus-folder-handler.desktop
[04:42] <Lathiat> MimeType=x-directory/gnome-default-handler;x-directory/normal;inode/directory
[04:42] <Lathiat> i make a point of not editing systme config files
[04:42] <seb128> hum
[04:42] <seb128> so grep is b0rked
[04:43] <seb128> it's not able to find "directory" on a line with several instance of the word
[04:43] <seb128> interesting
[04:43] <Lathiat> erm
[04:43] <Lathiat> actually it works now
[04:43] <Lathiat> maybe i mis-spelt it
[04:43] <seb128> ?
[04:43] <seb128> gnome-open works?
[04:43] <seb128> or grep?
[04:44] <Lathiat> grep
[04:44] <seb128> do you use an i386?
[04:44] <Lathiat> yes
[04:44] <Lathiat> err no i spelt directory right
[04:44] <Lathiat> but.. it shows up now
[04:44] <Lathiat> oh
[04:44] <Lathiat> whoah
[04:44] <seb128> what?
[04:44] <Lathiat> archer:/usr/share/applications> grep directory nautilus-folder-handler.desktop
[04:44] <Lathiat> MimeType=x-directory/gnome-default-handler;x-directory/normal;inode/directory
[04:44] <Lathiat> archer:/usr/share/applications> grep /usr/share/applications/directory nautilus-folder-handler.desktop
[04:45] <Lathiat> zsh: 31443 exit 1     egrep /usr/share/applications/directory nautilus-folder-handler.desktop
[04:45] <Lathiat> wtf is with that
[04:45] <Lathiat> eh
[04:45] <Lathiat> somethings screwing with my commands
[04:45] <Lathiat> hrm
[04:45] <seb128> grep /usr/share/applications/directory nautilus-folder-handler.desktop
[04:45] <seb128> no
[04:45] <Lathiat> yes i know
[04:45] <Lathiat> nm that
[04:45] <seb128> grep directoy <path>
[04:45] <Lathiat> dunno how i did that twice
[04:46] <Lathiat> ah
[04:46] <Lathiat> X is reaking havoc on my keyboard
[04:46] <seb128> wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/gnomevfs-info
[04:46] <Lathiat> and randomly tab works, and randomly it prints a tab
[04:46] <seb128> ./gnomevfs-info file:///usr
[04:46] <seb128> and "Default app"?
[04:46] <Lathiat> nautilus-folder-handler.desktop
[04:47] <Lathiat> whoah wtf, now its working opening directorys
[04:47] <Lathiat> this is screwed
[04:47] <seb128> bong
[04:47] <seb128> let's say we have fixed it :p
[04:47] <Lathiat> uh
[04:47] <Lathiat> yeh
[04:47] <Lathiat> maybe something ran a postinst that hadnt ran before
[04:47] <Lathiat> not that i can see anything
[04:48] <Lathiat> thanks, sorry for the hassle
[04:48] <seb128> np
[05:08] <jsgotangco> good night
[06:51] <lamont> doh
[06:51] <lamont> _6_ not _8_
[06:51] <lamont> nm
[06:51] <Treenaks> lamont: i368?
[06:52] <lamont> no. 1.7.6 not 1.7.8 (which is current)
[07:12] <mjg59> I've written usplash
[07:12] <jdub> mjg59: yay!
[07:12] <jdub> mjg59: you crazy fucker!
[07:14] <sladen> mjg59: dude you rock!
[07:14] <mjg59> 169 lines of code
[07:15] <jdub> surely you jest
[07:16] <sivang> mjg59: is the laptops testing give away still on? ;-) (now that I catch you here)
[07:17] <pef> libqt3c102-mt-mysql is replaced by libqt3-mt-mysql right ?
[07:18] <Lathiat_> other way around
[07:19] <sladen> jdub: splatter, fifo watcher and watchdog
[07:20] <Riddell> how does someone get edit privilages on bugzilla?
[07:20] <robitaille> Riddell:  ask mdz or ogra
[07:20] <Riddell> there you go seth_k
[07:20] <seth_k> righto Riddell
[07:27] <\sh> pef: let me build libqt3 first :) i adjusted the build-deps...and if this is fine...i send riddell the diffs
[07:28] <pef> \sh: ok, it's because I've found a package with this old dependency
[07:29] <\sh> pef: put it on UnmetDeps
[07:30] <Riddell> pef: yes, libqt3c102-mt-mysql is replaced by libqt3-mt-mysql
[07:30] <bddebian> libqt3 is a PITA
[07:30] <Riddell> bddebian: how so?
[07:31] <bddebian> A lot of dependencies.  At least it was a PITA building on GNU/Hurd :-)
[07:32] <Kamion> Riddell: ok, Kubuntu seeds fixed up
[07:32] <pef> \sh: already in, but can I correct this then upload a new version ?
[07:32] <Kamion> thanks
[07:32] <schweeb> mjg59: any status on sata suspend?  i saw a patch on lkml, haven't yet had the time to try it yet
[07:33] <\sh> pef: sure..w8 for new libqt3 ,-)
[07:33] <mjg59> schweeb: It's not currently mergable
[07:33] <pef> breezy-changes
[07:34] <pef> breezy-changes
[07:34] <pef> \sh: when you have done I will be announce on
[07:34] <pef> oups :)
[07:34] <mjg59> It breaks other things
[07:34] <mjg59> I'll be looking into that shortly
[07:34] <schweeb> okay
[07:35] <schweeb> need any help testing, I'm more than happy to... just ping me
[07:39] <infinity> mjg59 : If you need a lab rat, I just got an SATA laptop.
[07:40] <infinity> mjg59 : I'm also very good at performing repetitive tasks for very little reward.
[07:41] <seth_k> food pellets?
[07:41] <daniels> it's true.  i've made him run through mazes for no apparent reason before.  good entertainment.
[07:42] <schweeb> infinity: lol
[07:42] <schweeb> infinity: which laptop?
[07:42] <schweeb> mine's an X41
[07:42] <daniels> schweeb: some battletank
[07:42] <infinity> schweeb : T43.
[07:42] <schweeb> so, similar hardware
[07:42] <schweeb> <3 IBM
[07:42] <infinity> Quite likely, yes.
[07:48] <\sh> my laptop is burning in this heat compiling qt
[08:15] <highvolt1ge> before it's too late to play i've-got-a-thinkpad-too, i have a T42 :)
[08:29] <tseng> Kamion: do you have to approve universe syncs?
[08:42] <sivang> seb128: hey Seb, just before posting the source pkg somehwere so you can download, do configure.ac changes need go inside a debian/patch or is it ok to just have the source build include it?
[09:49] <opi> smurfix: are you still busy? :)
[11:04] <trygvebw> evening
[11:05] <trygvebw> i see that the xorg fix has been uploaded, but i can't find anything in dist-upgrade. is there a special package i need to install?
[11:06] <seth_k> I think that message is old
[11:06] <seth_k> last version of Xorg that really works is -36
[11:06] <seth_k> -42 is still death
[11:07] <trygvebw> oh
[11:07] <trygvebw> :(
[11:07] <trygvebw> so is there anyway i could fix my xorg installation, or do i have to boot into my old hoary install? :p
[11:10] <schweeb> do you have your packages in your apt archives?
[11:10] <schweeb> /var/cache/apt/archives
[11:10] <trygvebw> probably not :(
[11:10] <schweeb> the older versions should still be inthere
[11:10] <trygvebw> hm
[11:10] <schweeb> unless you explicitly cleared them out
[11:10] <trygvebw> what packages should i install?
[11:11] <schweeb> or it's a new install
[11:11] <trygvebw> from there?
[11:11] <schweeb> you'll have to manually dpkg -i the older X packages from there
[11:11] <schweeb> any more info than that, and you should probably ask in #ubuntu
[11:12] <trygvebw> :(
[11:12] <trygvebw> ok
[11:12] <trygvebw> thanks for the help :]
[11:30] <lamont> hrmpf.
[11:30] <lamont> no mdz.  no elmo.
[11:31] <lamont> jdub!
[11:31] <\sh> but qt built
[11:31] <\sh> *dancetheqtdance*
[11:31] <lamont> \sh: really?
[11:32] <lamont> qt-x11-free is d-w libglu-dev-xorg (>=6.8.2-42) for me....
[11:32] <lamont> Kamion: you about?
[11:32] <\sh> lamot: ubuntu8 ;)
[11:32] <\sh> not 7 anymore
[11:32] <lamont> ah, woot
[11:33] <highvolt1ge> when is debconf over?
[11:33] <\sh> apt-get update fast...qt is hot and spicy now.tomorrow
[11:33] <highvolt1ge> mdz and elmo really need to come back.
[11:33] <Nafallo> amd64 needs to come back ;-)
[11:34] <\sh> hmm...I wonder if kdelibs4 builds now...
[11:34] <lamont> Nafallo: that's dep-wait: elmo
[11:34] <\sh> *laptopburningtime*
[11:35] <Nafallo> lamont: I know. I'm not sure it's a bad thing they are down. I still got working X :-)
[11:36] <lamont> hehe
[11:36] <Nafallo> \sh++
[11:36] <\sh> kicking kdelibs4 through the hell of the buildd ,-)
[11:37] <\sh> riddell: dch -i and kick it please ,-)
[11:43] <lamont> \sh: if it's ftbfs already, just have me kick it
[11:44] <\sh> lamont: I think it was only because of qt...cause right now my pbuilder is saying: yes
[11:44] <\sh> lamont: i can't upload
[11:44] <\sh> give me 3 hours ,-)
[11:44] <eruin> gnome-keyboard-properties crashes when I try to add a new keyboard layout... I guess this is due to X being broken... should I hold submitting a bug about it?
[11:45] <lamont> actually, kdelibs is marked as "Installed"
[11:45] <lamont> or does it need a rebuild to be installable?
[11:45] <\sh> yes
[11:45] <Gnobody> does x work in Breezy yet after a dist-upgrade?
[11:45] <\sh> rebuild
[11:45] <eruin> Gnobody, yes
[11:45] <Amaranth> Gnobody: sort of
[11:45] <\sh> well..strange
[11:45] <Amaranth> Gnobody: did you get my PM?
[11:45] <Gnobody> sort of?
[11:45] <Gnobody> yes
[11:45] <Amaranth> Gnobody: You need xbase-clients 6.8.2-36
[11:46] <eruin> Gnobody, your keyboard might get toasted... some packages are still missing
[11:46] <Amaranth> which you can't get from the archives anymore
[11:46] <Gnobody> oh
[11:46] <lamont> Amaranth: rooting around on morgue.ubuntu.com can be productive
[11:46] <Amaranth> If I said I had a window 'with all the chrome turned on' to you guys, would you know what I meant?
[11:46] <Amaranth> lamont: irc logs and the forums produce about 10 mirrors of it as well
[11:48] <\sh> strange...
[11:49] <Gnobody> Amaranth does "chrome" involve nude pictures of the girl from Lacuna Coil?
[11:49] <Amaranth> no...
[11:50] <Gnobody> damn
[11:50] <Amaranth> and nude pictures of her don't exist
[11:50] <eruin> Gnobody, down boy!
[11:50] <Gnobody> are you sure
[11:50] <Gnobody> ?
[11:50] <Amaranth> yeah, pretty sure
[11:50] <Gnobody> damn my life is screwed then
[11:50] <\sh> looks like we need to rebuild kdelibs4
[11:51] <highvoltage> Gnobody: I think if you're in ubuntu-devel you're not supposed to have much of a life to begin with ;)
[11:51] <Gnobody> ;)
[11:51] <Gnobody> Damn free software and it's lack of fun

[11:52] <highvoltage> Gnobody: free software is fun!
[11:52] <Gnobody> yeah
[11:55] <Gnobody> free software sex goes something like this: mount /dev/mounter /media/bush ; fsck ; unzip thestuff.zip ; fsck ; umount /media/bush ; slocate pants
[11:55] <highvoltage> hehe
[11:55] <Gnobody> in a root terminal of course
[11:55] <highvoltage> no no no.
[11:56] <Gnobody> ?
[11:56] <highvoltage> never do that as root. you might end up with a std.
[11:56] <Gnobody> lol
[11:56] <Gnobody> you mean fu-ware
[11:56] <highvoltage> of course.
[11:56] <Gnobody> or a windows virus in wine
[11:56] <highvoltage> you might be infected with software with an incompatible license.
[11:56] <highvoltage> we don't want that.
[11:56] <highvoltage> what will the children look like !?
[11:56] <Gnobody> eww a bsd/gpl system
[11:57] <Gnobody> what a bastard
[11:57] <highvoltage> exactly.
[11:57] <Gnobody> it would look like Darrel McBride
[11:57] <highvoltage> or a Michael Jackson.
[11:58] <highvoltage> or a Rosie O'Donnel
[11:58] <highvoltage> or a Jerry Springer
[11:58] <Gnobody> nah michael can't be as low as Darrel McBride
[11:58] <Gnobody> and talkshow hosts
[11:58] <highvoltage> ok then, Arnold Swarchenegger
[11:58] <Gnobody> agreed
[11:58] <Gnobody> eww republicans
[11:59] <highvoltage> or Britney Spears. okay, she's republican too.
[11:59] <Gnobody> really?  does she even know how to spell conservative?
[12:00] <highvoltage> No, but she can spell B.M.W.
[12:00] <highvoltage> first post, btw
[12:00] <Gnobody> she thought Canada was an "over-seas country"
[12:00] <schweeb> pretty sure politics is way off topic
[12:01] <Gnobody> Oh come on there are know republicans in free software
[12:01] <schweeb> ...
[12:01] <schweeb> I would suggest ending it at that.
[12:02] <Burgundavia> Gnobody, schweeb highvoltage this is completely offtopic for this channel, please take it elsewhere
[12:02] <Gnobody> sorry burgundavia
[12:02] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: right, sorry.
[12:02] <schweeb> Burgundavia: ... I was trying to end it.


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