[01:39] <bwright> What version of C++ is unity targetting the 03 or the 11 standard?
[07:34] <smspillaz> fhd: vala is still in development and sometimes doesn't generate code that compiles
[07:35] <smspillaz> it is a very nice concept, but there are still bugs in the implementation
[08:05] <fhd> smspillaz: Oh, I see. Glad to hear it wasn't for political reasons :)
[08:06] <smspillaz> of course not
[08:06] <smspillaz> also, nux doesn't use GObject etc etc
[08:07] <fhd> smspillaz: Yeah, it's pretty hard wired towards GObject, I'm a bit concerned about that. What if we want to port our app to Qt for some reason at some point? Probably going to get ugly.
[08:08] <smspillaz> you can use it without GObject support in your target library, but you'll need to write wrapper classes
[08:09] <fhd> smspillaz: I know, doesn't sound like fun though.
[08:09] <smspillaz> is anything :p ?
[08:09] <fhd> smspillaz: But I'm not too concerned, we're mainly targeting Unity and GNOME, so I don't see a reason for premature portability considerations.
[12:30] <thorwil> something is swallowing all <Super>-somenumber shortcuts, even though such shortcuts are not defined anywhere in gconf
[21:13] <mgedmin> is this the right place to talk about notify-osd?  I'm trying to build trunk, and getting a link-time error: http://pastie.org/2784642


[12:58] <nixternal> jjesse: just watchin' some TV. now I think I am going to work on some docs seeing as we only have 19 days left until freeze
[12:59] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: holler at your boy if you need help
[01:00] <Admiral_Chicago> show me the way..I've never done doc work but I'm down for whatever
[01:01] <nixternal> I will take plane text right about now, as with 19 days to go, it would be difficult to learn all the way in which we do and don't do things with DocBook XML
[01:01] <nixternal> man, I picked the wrong time to update the KDE repos
[01:04] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: so where can I get started?
[01:10] <nixternal> one sec
[01:11] <nixternal> Admiral_Chicago: have you been using the new Adept lately?
[01:11] <nixternal> how familiar are you with the new codecs stuff?
[01:11] <nixternal> my lord there is still a ton it feels like
[01:14] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: hold on a sec, let my eyes read this
[01:15] <nixternal> hehe
[01:15] <Admiral_Chicago> no I install via terminal but I can explore it
[01:15] <Admiral_Chicago> again, i installed my codecs from the command line
[01:15] <nixternal> what about printing?
[01:15] <nixternal> programming?
[01:16] <nixternal> grr, brb
[01:17] <Admiral_Chicago> programming..what do you have for me
[01:22] <nixternal> I have no idea, I need to look at it
[01:22] <nixternal> ahh nevermind the programming, I will steal it from the Ubuntu side
[01:23] <nixternal> jjesse: are you still working on the office docs?
[01:24] <nixternal> Admiral_Chicago: http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/printing/C/index.html
[01:24] <Admiral_Chicago> okay
[01:24] <nixternal> what can you do with that?
[01:24] <Admiral_Chicago> looking now
[01:24] <nixternal> that needs content big time
[01:25] <nixternal> you can use info from the wiki for printers and work something up
[01:25] <Admiral_Chicago> oh wow, hmm I can start writing *something*
[01:25] <Admiral_Chicago> i don't even use a printer so I'll look around for information
[01:25] <nixternal> rock on!
[01:25] <nixternal> the wiki should have some decent info
[01:26] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: i don't even have Printers section in System Settings
[01:26] <nixternal> alright, I am going to be at the keyboard but not paying attention to IRC, so if it is a few minutes until I answer don't worry, I will be here
[01:26] <nixternal> Admiral_Chicago: Feisty?
[01:26] <nixternal> under computer administration
[01:26] <Admiral_Chicago> hold on a sec. of course Feisty
[01:27] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: nope
[01:27] <nixternal> umm, something is messed up then
[01:27] <Admiral_Chicago> maybe, i'll check the status on cups
[01:28] <Admiral_Chicago> one more thing, how do I *edit* this page
[01:28] <nixternal> you can either download the .xml file, or just do something up in oo.o if you want to
[01:29] <nixternal> https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/kubuntu/printing/C/printing.xml
[01:29] <Admiral_Chicago> i'll mail you the .odt
[01:29] <nixternal> there is the xml file
[01:29] <nixternal> .odt is good
[01:29] <Admiral_Chicago> eww, SVN.
[01:29] <nixternal> eww?
[01:29] <Admiral_Chicago> i like bazaar more. :)
[01:29] <nixternal> Subversion > Bazaar any day of the week, until Bazaar gets faster
[01:30] <Admiral_Chicago> there is a lot of work being done on bazaar for that
[01:30] <nixternal> Admiral_Chicago: they have been working on it for a year now, until then Subversion is the puppy of choice
[01:31] <LaserJock> bzr 0.14 is tons faster
[01:31] <LaserJock> but svn is still very nice for a centralized repo
[01:31] <nixternal> yup
[01:31] <Admiral_Chicago> plus, I like the idea of decentralized systems.
[01:31] <nixternal> 0.14 still takes a solid hour for the docs
[01:32] <LaserJock> Admiral_Chicago: I don't ;-)
[01:32] <nixternal> ya, centralized all the way
[01:32] <Admiral_Chicago> it seems a bit exclusive to me
[01:32] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: and what do you do when you looks your log in :)
[01:32] <LaserJock> seems a bit more sane to me
[01:32] <nixternal> but then again, I was the same way with CVS years back :)
[01:32] <nixternal> Admiral_Chicago: say that again, this time in English :)
[01:32] <LaserJock> yeah, the upstream project I work on is all CVS
[01:32] <LaserJock> I went from bzr -> SVN -> CVS
[01:33] <Admiral_Chicago> lose* quiet.
[01:33] <nixternal> I was heartbroken with the KDE repos went from CVS to SVN
[01:33] <nixternal> Admiral_Chicago: svn+ssh, if you loose your login, you lost your ssh rsa_id
[01:33] <Admiral_Chicago> so just write anything about printing
[01:33] <nixternal> plus, with regular http svn you login once and that's it, you take that key and save it to usb
[01:34] <nixternal> you are good to go
[01:34] <nixternal> Admiral_Chicago: yes
[01:34] <Admiral_Chicago> okay
[01:34] <nixternal> some, anything. Take a look at the Ubuntu docs for guidance maybe
[01:34] <LaserJock> lol, I so wish savannah would move to SVN
[01:34] <nixternal> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/printing/C/index.html
[01:34] <nixternal> hrmm
[01:34] <Admiral_Chicago> ty
[01:34] <LaserJock> nixternal: gnome finally went to SVN
[01:35] <nixternal> Admiral_Chicago: kde'ize that
[01:35] <Admiral_Chicago> i will
[01:35] <nixternal> LaserJock: ya, thats where I stole my planetplanet layout for chi
[01:35] <LaserJock> nixternal: is Riddell up?
[01:35] <nixternal> man, GNOME would be the shizzy with a Konqueror like package
[01:36] <nixternal> LaserJock: there is no telling
[01:39] <Admiral_Chicago> says GNOME cups manager handles cups in GNOME, is there anything for KDE, i did an apt-cache search but nothing
[01:39] <Admiral_Chicago> ohh kdeprint. i'm blind
[01:39] <nixternal> haha
[01:40] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, i didn't have that installed, that might make a difference
[01:54] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: i'm going to look at this tomorrow, can't focus right now
[02:17] <nixternal> anybody an NFS or ZeroConf guru?
[02:17] <nixternal> that is the last 2 sections I have for networking
[02:21] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3811 kubuntu/network/C/network.xml: more network content - NFS and ZeroConf needs content
[03:27] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3812 kubuntu/ (libs/kde-menus-C.ent programming/C/programming.xml): Kubuntu Programming section 99% complete - added new menuchoices for some apps
[03:32] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3813 kubuntu/ (releasenotes/ unused/releasenotes/): release notes moving to kubuntu.org
[03:32] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3814 kubuntu/ (misc/ unused/misc/): old desktop guide
[03:35] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3815 kubuntu/ (5 files in 5 dirs): moving, removing, unusing
[05:25] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3816 kubuntu/add-applications/C/add-applications.xml: add-applications 95% complete - needs aptitude procedure and info
[05:27] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3817 kubuntu/getting-help/C/getting-help.xml: getting-help about ready
[05:44] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3818 kubuntu/newtokubuntu/C/newtokubuntu.xml: newtokubuntu section rewritten - need Windows and Mac switching links
[05:46] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3819 kubuntu/unused/ (desktopguide/ misc/ quickguide/ quicktour/ releasenotes/): removing, renaming, cleaning up
[05:47] <nixternal> ooh, sorry for the flooding
[05:48] <LaserJock> nixternal: lol
[05:52] <nixternal> heh, I have 18 days to get Kubuntu docs finished
[05:53] <nixternal> jjesse: I cheated, the programming.xml I stole/borrowed from Ubuntu, moved all the GTK junk towards the bottom and added all the C++ and Qt stuff at the top :)
[05:53] <nixternal> tomorrow I have massive LUG event, yay
[06:09] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: bhuvan * r3820 generic/serverguide/C/ (file-server.xml mail.xml web-servers.xml wikis.xml): (log message trimmed)
[06:09] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: Add material for ruby-on-rails and ejabberd instant messaging server. In
[06:09] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: addtion, it includes some brush-up fixes.
[06:09] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: * generic/serverguide/C/mail.xml
[06:09] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation:  Fix the URL.
[06:09] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation:  Add material for ejabberd server. The configuration section is
[06:09] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation:  incomplete.
[06:47] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3821 kubuntu/ (4 files in 3 dirs): copied over keeping-safe from ubuntu and edited accordingly
[06:50] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3822 kubuntu/index.xml: fixed the temp index for doc.ubuntu.com
[06:54] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3823 kubuntu/Makefile: added new docs and cleaned up Kubuntu Makefile
[05:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86058 in xubuntu-docs (main) "Minor spelling correction - "Add Applications -> Synaptic"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86058
[07:08] <GatoLoko> hi
[07:10] <jjesse> hello GatoLoko
[07:10] <GatoLoko> is there any convention about naming wiki pages or about translated pages?
[07:12] <jjesse> GatoLoko:  umm i'm probabllyu not the best person to answer your question
[07:17] <nixternal> hiya jjesse
[07:19] <GatoLoko> i've read something about not trying to translate the wiki because it's huge and changes fast, but someone asked for a translation of one page and I don't know if I must do it in the wiki or put the translation in another site and give him a link
[07:19] <jjesse> hiya nixternal
[08:23] <Admiral_Chicago> its really hard to try this printing thing when I don't have it on my computer
[08:23] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: ^^
[08:37] <nixternal> Admiral_Chicago: don't worry about it, I will work on it tonight
[08:37] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: i'll translate the packages, and make sure there is content
[08:38] <Admiral_Chicago> i'll do my best, maybe I can virtualize my Edgy Cd
[09:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86124 in xubuntu-docs (main) "Instructions on how to add/chge repositories needs updating" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86124
[10:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86126 in ubuntu-doc "Packaging Guide -- unclear instructions on page "Packaging from Scratch"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86126
[10:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86127 in xubuntu-docs (main) "Calendar listed as "Calendar" in Xfce menu, not "Orage"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86127
[10:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86128 in xubuntu-docs (main) "Docs reference Xfmedia, but Xubuntu now uses gxine by default" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86128


[17:47] <kshep> Hi folks... soo... what starts upstart? Trying to tshoot some ubuntu startup sequencing, and it looks like upstart services all start after all the sysvinit services


[06:34] <magic_silver_box> UNITOR NO WORKY
[06:34] <magic_silver_box> ~~~~~~~::/
[08:35] <cfhowlett> Change the login icon: I'm running Ubuntustudio 12.04.  Want to customize the default login icon
[09:09] <cfhowlett> How do I change the login icon in Ubuntustudio 12.04  http://imagebin.org/249823
[09:10] <zequence> cfhowlett: Don't have lightgdm installed on this machine, but if I would make a wild guess, there might be configs in /etc/lightgdm/*
[09:12] <cfhowlett> zequence, I found that.  there's nothing in there that directs to an icon ...
[09:13] <cfhowlett> shame because this is the replacement icon ... http://imagebin.org/249824
[09:14] <SunStar> i dont wanna log out to try it but perhapse this will work?
[09:15] <SunStar> http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?p=1585548#post1585548
[09:16] <cfhowlett> SunStar, I'll look again.  It appears to be a specific lightdm config ...
[09:19] <zequence> cfhowlett: Cool looking icon in deed
[09:20] <cfhowlett> zequence, yep.  now to incorporate it ...
[09:20] <cfhowlett> zequence, hey I sent a couple of wallpaper suggestions to the list. did you see?
[09:21] <SunStar> lol you can just rename it to the current icon
[09:21] <zequence> cfhowlett: Not yet, but we actually already went ahead and changed the default, adding the two I did. This is for the Beta 1, which is to be built later today
[09:21] <cfhowlett> zequence, OK ...
[09:22] <cfhowlett> zequence, I install LTS only, but I have been know to harvest artwork from interim releases.  Of course, "rolling release" or whatever happens ...
[09:22] <SunStar> i mean replace the old icon with your new one by renameing the old one to something else, and the new one uses the old ones name
[09:22] <cfhowlett> SunStar, right method, but wrong greeter program.  I need to configure lightDM ...
[09:26] <SunStar> try adding "Icon=/path/to/image" into file:///var/lib/lightdm/.cache/lightdm-gtk-greeter/state ?
[09:27] <SunStar> no that doesnt seem right n/m
[11:29] <mano> hi
[11:36] <mano> hi
[11:39] <zequence> mano: hello
[11:40] <mano> may u help me plz . iam gonna destroy my laptop if u don't
[11:41] <zequence> mano: I hardly think your laptop will be destroyed by Linux, but tell us, what seems to be the problem?
[11:42] <mano> i loved LINUX very much it's very smart easy and fast .... i am a music producer recently sed ubuntu studio to have the chance to try ardour ...... qJACKctl is making me crazy don't wanna work
[11:42] <mano> always : ERROR ERROR EROOR
[11:43] <zequence> mano: There's a bug with jackdbus. Makes it crash often, when you try to stop it
[11:43] <zequence> mano: When that happens, kill it in a terminal, like this: killall -9 jackdbus
[11:43] <zequence> Then try again
[11:43] <zequence> Also, make sure you aren't using desktop audio, while trying to start jack.
[11:43] <zequence> Close down all pulseaudio applications
[11:43] <mano> the problem isn't that it don't wanna stop .. it deosn't even work
[11:44] <zequence> ..this is, if you are using the same audio card with pulseaudio and jack
[11:44] <zequence> mano: Have you ever got jack to start?
[11:45] <zequence> mano: do this command: cat /proc/asound/cards
[11:45] <zequence> mano: paste here http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[11:45] <mano> one time after installing LINUX . then i tryed to connect my studio tools on the laptop . then it stoped
[11:45] <zequence> mano: I'll help you. Just follow my instructions
[11:45] <mano> so what is the first thing to do
[11:46] <zequence> mano: as I said, do this command: cat /proc/asound/cards
[11:46] <zequence> paste here http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[11:49] <mano> done
[11:50] <zequence> mano: Give me the link
[11:50] <mano> ouch i think i lost it : y don't i write here ?
[11:51] <zequence> mano: Each paste gets it's own link. You can use Shift+Ctrl+T to open closed tabs
[11:51] <zequence> Just make another paste, if you can't find it
[11:52] <mano> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5604552/
[11:53] <zequence> mano: So, which device are you attempting to start jack with? The onboard, or the headset?
[11:54] <mano> the laptop card is SRS premium sound but i don't use it . all my sound system is connected to the USB card - C media
[11:54] <mano> i managed to play the sound using the usb but ardour don't work because of jack
[11:55] <zequence> mano: First, let's see if the onboard device works. We begin by killing jack, just in case
[11:55] <zequence> killall -9 jackdbus
[11:55] <zequence> Then, we start jack, and suspending pulseaudio at the same time:
[11:55] <zequence> pasuspender -- jackd -d alsa -d hw:0
[11:56] <mano> i typed the first command
[11:56] <mano>  killall -9 jackdbus
[11:57] <zequence> If it says nothing, it killed jackdbus. If it says "no process found", jackdbus was not running
[11:57] <zequence> Now, try the second command: pasuspender -- jackd -d alsa -d hw:0
[11:57] <mano> i typed it twice and got the 2 answers
[11:58] <mano> ooops i saw the word failed
[11:59] <mano> will i paste the new info for you ?
[11:59] <zequence> mano: No
[11:59] <zequence> The first command is not important. It's just for making sure jackdbus is killed
[11:59] <zequence> Once you're done, try the second command
[11:59] <zequence> If the second command gives you an error, please do paste
[12:00] <mano> i did and got alot of sentence but the last one is enogh  it said /: failed to oped server
[12:00] <zequence> mano: Paste the entire message from jack
[12:00] <zequence> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[12:01] <mano> from the terminal r8 ?
[12:01] <zequence> Yes, from the terminal
[12:01] <mano> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5604572/
[12:03] <zequence> hmm, that's weird
[12:04] <mano> what do you think ? won't it work ?
[12:06] <mano> take a look on the last message from jack
[12:06] <mano> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5604585/
[12:07] <zequence> mano: The key error here is Mon Mar 11 14:05:26 2013: [1m[31mERROR: Failed to acquire device name : Audio1 error : Method "RequestRelease" with signature "i" on interface "org.freedesktop.ReserveDevice1" doesn't exist
[12:07] <zequence> [0m
[12:07] <zequence> Which is strange, because we were suspending pulseaudio
[12:07] <zequence> It seems like pulseaudio is blocking your device
[12:08] <zequence> mano: Could you please disconnect your usb device, reboot, and then try starting jack with the command again
[12:08] <zequence> pasuspender -- jackd -d alsa -d hw:0
[12:09] <zequence> mano: Use the Up Arrow key to find old commands in the bash history
[12:09] <mano> ok i will try . will i be able to talk to u again ?
[12:09] <zequence> I'll be here
[12:10] <mano> really thank you . i took alot of your time
[12:11] <mano> i will reboot now
[12:17] <mano> i am back . u r genius
[12:18] <devtekbeta> I AM SPARTACUS!
[12:18] <mano> i was talking to SO here and helped me 2 solve a problem
[12:19] <devtekbeta> then you are in his debt
[12:20] <zequence> mano: Seems like pulseaudio might have become entangled somehow. One thing you might want to keep in mind is that when you start jack, make sure pulseaudio is not doing anything
[12:20] <zequence> mano: I don't know if your usb device will work with jack though
[12:20] <mano> ok ok but wait there is a notice ... why i can't here any thing ?
[12:20] <mano> you mean i have to use the main sound card ?
[12:21] <zequence> You can try plugging in the usb device, then try: pasuspender -- jackd -d alsa -d hw:1
[12:21] <zequence> !proaudio
[12:21] <zequence> that page deals with the audio systems on Ubuntu
[12:21] <zequence> Has some helpful tips
[12:22] <mano> i wanna know something plz
[12:22] <zequence> mano: Also, try just with the command: jackd -d alsa -d hw:0
[12:23] <zequence> mano: What you need to understand about pasuspender is that it suspends pulseaudio. You don't need to do that normally. And if you use card A for pulseaudio and card B for jack, you really don't need it
[12:23] <mano> jack is on . and the usb capture signal . why when i play anything on audacious it don't play ?
[12:23] <zequence> I don't know what audactious is set to use for output
[12:24] <zequence> mano: try hydrogen
[12:24] <zequence> That's usually how I do sound checks
[12:24] <zequence> Ok, I need to get something to eat.
[12:25] <zequence> mano: I think with what we talked about now, you should be able to figure out most of your problems
[12:25] <zequence> mano: Another thing: jackd is not the same as jackdbus
[12:25] <zequence> qjackctl is by default starting jackdbus
[12:25] <zequence> The problem should not be different. Just a different way to control jack
[12:25] <mano> yeah yeah i will complete from this point
[12:25] <mano> thank you guys
[12:25] <zequence> np
[12:26] <zequence> It's really too bad with these bugs
[14:01] <magic_silver_box> eEeEEEEEEE
[14:01] <magic_silver_box> my midi interface is no workky
[14:01] <magic_silver_box> don't know what to dew
[14:01] <magic_silver_box> so confusing
[14:02] <magic_silver_box> emagic unitor8 mk1
[14:02] <magic_silver_box> serial 8x8 midi interface
[14:10] <ronator> hello, may I speak german ? Have some questions relating to xfce under ubuntustudio .. thx
[14:14] <ronator> nobody there ?
[14:32] <ronator> someone there who can answer support questions ? | jemand da, der support-fragen beantworten kann ?
[14:42] <ronator> ok I try some keyords
[14:42] <ronator> help
[14:42] <ronator> support
[14:42] <ronator> :)
[14:42] <ronator> <-gettin' some coffee
[14:46] <ronator> am I muted ? no !
[15:15] <ronator> clock is ticking
[15:22] <magic_silver_box> i think people are just away
[15:22] <magic_silver_box> wait a bit
[15:22] <magic_silver_box> what is your question?
[15:22] <magic_silver_box> (i know nothing)
[15:23] <ronator> yey, finally there is one :)
[15:23] <ronator> ohm german ok or do you prefer english ?
[15:23] <magic_silver_box> well english, but i know nothing about linux so i probably cant help
[15:23] <magic_silver_box> im just starting and my midi interface isnt showing up
[15:23] <ronator> but u use ubuntu studio ?
[15:23] <ronator> brave guy ;-)
[15:23] <magic_silver_box> just installed it
[15:23] <magic_silver_box> so sick of windows
[15:24] <ronator> ah, okay than u might be right
[15:24] <magic_silver_box> cant take it anymore
[15:24] <magic_silver_box> yeah on irc sometimes you have to wait until people are active
[15:24] <magic_silver_box> people leave it on all day
[15:24] <magic_silver_box> i do
[15:24] <magic_silver_box> even if they are away
[15:24] <ronator> yeah, but i just switched from gnoe to XFCE and things ar very ... strange to me
[15:24] <antto> of course ;]
[15:24] <magic_silver_box> i just want midi outs and audio outs and renoise + ardour
[15:25] <magic_silver_box> might try another interface
[15:25] <ronator> and a low lateny kernel ;-)
[15:25] <ronator> +c
[15:26] <ronator> well i just miss some customisation options - starting with customizing the bootloader without editing /etc/grub.conf manually
[15:26] <magic_silver_box> yeah i like ubuntu a whole lot more than windows already, except i dont even know how to load a driver
[15:26] <magic_silver_box> or check if a device is seen
[15:26] <ronator> depends on ...
[15:26] <magic_silver_box> all the how-to www is incredibly confusing
[15:27] <ronator> usb device or midi / pci ?
[15:27] <magic_silver_box> its an old serial midi interface
[15:27] <magic_silver_box> emagic unitor8 mk1
[15:27] <magic_silver_box> some forum people have said it worked right away after OS install
[15:27] <ronator> well this is a general question, where i might help
[15:27] <magic_silver_box> mine does not appear
[15:27] <magic_silver_box> do i need to install a driver and which one
[15:28] <ronator> you connected it to an RS323 interface ?
[15:28] <magic_silver_box> and how ::\
[15:28] <magic_silver_box> yeah rs232
[15:28] <magic_silver_box> db9 whatever you call it, com port
[15:28] <magic_silver_box> power on before bootup
[15:28] <ronator> and com1 up to com4 is initialized in BIOS ?
[15:28] <magic_silver_box> let me see
[15:29] <magic_silver_box> well i should say yes cause i used a different midi interface on that port when i used windows
[15:29] <magic_silver_box> well theres only one serial port
[15:30] <magic_silver_box> bios says Onboard Serial Port 1
[15:30] <magic_silver_box> 3F8H/IRQ4
[15:31] <ronator> you could do a "cat /proc/tty/drivers" to get more info about currently used drivers
[15:31] <ronator> on root console
[15:31] <magic_silver_box> ill try in a minute
[15:31] <magic_silver_box> loading
[15:31] <ronator> to see all drivers currently loaded do a "lsmod" (list modules)
[15:31] <magic_silver_box> i thought maybe there was an IRQ conflict with my pci soundcard but that would be unlikely
[15:32] <magic_silver_box> worked in windows
[15:33] <ronator> when you switch to linux you cannot suppose everythings works in linux as it did in windows *g
[15:33] <magic_silver_box> ttyS is on
[15:33] <magic_silver_box> it says irq 4
[15:33] <magic_silver_box> 64-111 whatever that means
[15:33] <magic_silver_box> last night i found ttyS0 (com port) is on
[15:33] <magic_silver_box> but it doesnt mention any midi driver
[15:33] <magic_silver_box> or even any sound driver
[15:34] <ronator> whats losmod saying ? anything related to your midi device ?
[15:34] <ronator> lsmod
[15:34] <ronator> did you try to install a driver already ?
[15:34] <magic_silver_box> there are some midi things that look generic
[15:34] <magic_silver_box> nothing specific
[15:34] <magic_silver_box> i didnt try to install a driver
[15:34] <magic_silver_box> i dont know how
[15:35] <magic_silver_box> ::/
[15:35] <ronator> do you know if there is a linuxdriver out there for your device ?
[15:35] <magic_silver_box> i haven't found one
[15:35] <magic_silver_box> much searching
[15:35] <ronator> if you can find that ypou could try it the easy way
[15:35] <ronator> with "insmod /path/to/devicedriver"
[15:35] <ronator> insmod takes care that other needed modules are loaded
[15:36] <magic_silver_box> maybe i can find a generic one
[15:36] <ronator> well since you must know the BAUD rate it would be better yu find the individual driver . but maybe you should ask those dudes in the froum
[15:36] <ronator> forum
[15:37] <ronator> they should do a "lsmod" that could help you to find out which driver they are actually using
[15:38] <ronator> if they have the same OS (version) and the same device ....
[15:38] <ronator> I really wonder why yours doesn't work out of thebox
[15:38] <magic_silver_box> yeah
[15:43] <ronator> maybe the vendor of your old serial device even offers generic linux drivers - if the company still exists ... did you check their website ?
[15:44] <ronator> I just have no linux here and no experience with serial devices - tty0, ttyS0 - I do not know anything *g
[15:44] <ronator> but as I said: if someone has this device running, a "lsmod" will provide the needed info for you
[15:46] <ronator> display detected system's serial support: "dmesg | grep tty"
[15:46] <ronator> output something like
[15:46] <ronator> [   37.531286] serial8250: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
[15:46] <ronator> [   37.531841] 00:0b: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
[15:46] <ronator> [   37.532138] 0000:04:00.3: ttyS1 at I/O 0x1020 (irq = 18) is a 16550A
[15:47] <magic_silver_box> yEAH i got ThaT
[15:47] <magic_silver_box> so the port is active
[15:47] <ronator> yes
[15:47] <magic_silver_box> i have to find a driver
[15:47] <magic_silver_box> but like
[15:48] <magic_silver_box> i can't even find a generic driver
[15:48] <magic_silver_box> just cryptic how-to wikis
[15:48] <ronator> :)
[15:48] <ronator> from which vendor is your device ?
[15:48] <magic_silver_box> emagic
[15:48] <magic_silver_box> they were bought by apple in 2002
[15:48] <magic_silver_box> no linux support
[15:48] <ronator> whats your system saying after that cmd:
[15:48] <ronator> setserial -g /dev/ttyS[0123]
[15:49] <ronator> should be something like
[15:49] <magic_silver_box> the program 'setserial' is not installed
[15:49] <magic_silver_box> you can install it by typing sudo apt-get install setserial
[15:49] <ronator> is not ^^ ?
[15:49] <ronator> hm
[15:49] <ronator> do it
[15:50] <magic_silver_box> oh i have to get it online
[15:50] <magic_silver_box> only hardwire www
[15:50] <magic_silver_box> got to move it to other room
[15:51] <ronator> ./dev/ttyS0, UART: 16550A, Port: 0x03f8, IRQ: 4
[15:51] <ronator> ./dev/ttyS1, UART: 16550A, Port: 0x1020, IRQ: 18
[15:51] <ronator> ./dev/ttyS2, UART: unknown, Port: 0x03e8, IRQ: 4
[15:51] <ronator> ./dev/ttyS3, UART: unknown, Port: 0x02e8, IRQ: 3
[15:51] <magic_silver_box> brb
[15:52] <magic_silver_box> booting in other room
[15:53] <magic_silver_box> there are a bunch of updates it wants to install, but i ignored
[15:53] <magic_silver_box> being a windows user, i normally ignore the pc when it tells me to update!
[15:53] <magic_silver_box> windows updates make it worse 100% of the time
[15:53] <magic_silver_box> like don't do it!
[15:53] <ronator> no good idea, specially on windows ^^
[15:53] <magic_silver_box> NO!
[15:53] <magic_silver_box> sometimes it updates somehow
[15:53] <magic_silver_box> and windows gets even more annoying
[15:54] <magic_silver_box> oK brb i think it booted
[15:54] <ronator> maybe your hardware will be detected if you do get all those updates ?
[15:54] <ronator> i would cleary recommend to do regular updates
[15:55] <ronator> even from evil guys like M$
[15:55] <magic_silver_box> oK it is downloading 300 things ::]
[15:55] <ronator> btw: is that device a midi keyboard ?
[15:55] <magic_silver_box> this will take a while ::] ::]
[15:56] <magic_silver_box> no its an 8x8 midi interface
[15:56] <magic_silver_box> for all my synths
[15:56] <ronator> yeah, i bet you get a new kernel, maybe this will fix everything ;-)
[15:56] <magic_silver_box> yeah maybe a simple fix
[15:56] <magic_silver_box> ::} ::}
[15:56] <magic_silver_box> then i can learn linux at a normal rate instead of trying to learn everything at once
[15:57] <magic_silver_box> all i want to do is make beatsssss
[15:57] <magic_silver_box> http://www.deepsonic.ch/deep/manuals/emagic_unitor8_mkII_amt8_manual.pdf
[15:57] <magic_silver_box> mine is the unitor8 m1
[15:57] <magic_silver_box> mk1
[15:59] <magic_silver_box> very old interface, but people say it is excellent
[15:59] <magic_silver_box> i figure if midi is 30 years old, i don't need a new interface, just a well-made one
[15:59] <ronator> people say much about old times and old stuff ;-)
[16:00] <magic_silver_box> my midiman 4x2 serial one was excellent
[16:00] <magic_silver_box> just need more ports
[16:00] <magic_silver_box> too many synths :;}
[16:02] <magic_silver_box> i can just fit everything on 4 outs and 2 ins, but i think if i put fewer than 16 channels on each output, the timing will be better
[16:02] <magic_silver_box> of course midi cannot have 2 simultaneous events on one cable
[16:03] <magic_silver_box> so if you have 16 channels on a cable, you can get some timing errors
[16:03] <ronator> if you say so ;)
[16:03] <magic_silver_box> i used to do things like putting a tiny silence before the sample and moving the midi notes back
[16:03] <magic_silver_box> so they wont be at the same time as other notes
[16:04] <magic_silver_box> but the sound play at the same moment
[16:04] <magic_silver_box> +s
[16:04] <ronator> i'd suggest you do all those updates, reboot it and maybe we will meet here later again. I am about to leave the office ;-)
[16:05] <ronator> meanwhile you could ask those who got that device running what "lsmod" is saying ...
[16:05] <magic_silver_box> yes
[16:05] <magic_silver_box> i will do these things
[16:05] <magic_silver_box> you have been very helpful!
[16:05] <ronator> i tried to at least - serial is not my world ^^
[16:05] <magic_silver_box> ::} ::}
[16:05] <ronator> maybe i get some karma and soe one can help ME :)
[16:06] <ronator> so see you later then ....
[16:06] <ronator> and good luck !!!
[16:32] <magic_silver_box> what a nice guy
[16:32] <magic_silver_box> still installing things
[17:15] <magic_silver_box> still installing! i guess 310 updates take a whie
[17:16] <magic_silver_box> l
[17:38] <magic_silver_box> no worky
[18:22] <Tbone> Hi !
[18:23] <Tbone> Am i alone ?
[19:11] <magic_silver_box> y0~
[23:30] <SunStar> when cfhowlett was looking for how to change the login answer, this was the solution: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LightDM#Changing_the_Icon
[23:30] <SunStar> login icon*