[04:22] <Crell> Hi folks.  I recently upgraded my 9.10 system to Kubuntu 10.04.  As always it's been a bit bumpy, but of note is that PHP seems to not be active anymore.  It says it's enabled in the Apache log when I restart apache, but if I visit a PHP page I simply get a download offer back from the web seriver.
[04:22] <Crell> Any idea what could have broken?  I've not seen this sort of problem in years.
[04:41]  * CrellAwaaay wanders off.
[04:42] <ThECaJuN> hello?
[04:42]  * Crell is back.
[04:43] <ThECaJuN> Is there someone here that can help me?
[05:03] <lyhana8> hi, I created a new user in a server but when I `su` to it the prompt only show $ (no name, no host), and doesn't autocomplete
[05:07] <wastrel> lyhana8: did you create a home directory for the new user?
[05:07] <wastrel> lyhana8: ls /home/
[05:08] <lyhana8> wastrel: yep but there is nothing
[05:08] <wastrel> lyhana8:  there's nothing in the home directory you mean?
[05:08] <lyhana8> and I'm running on a sh prompt not a bash on :S
[05:08] <wastrel> well you need to change the user's default shell
[05:09] <wastrel> in /etc/passwd the line for  the user has /bin/sh  instead of /bin/bash in the shell
[05:09] <lyhana8> wastrel: there is my user folder, but 3 files inside (hidden)
[05:09] <maco> ...like i just said in #ubuntu
[05:09] <wastrel> i'm not in #ubuntu :]
[05:09] <maco> wastrel: lyhana8 is though and i just said to check /etc/passwd
[05:09] <lyhana8> maco: yeah just see it :)
[05:09] <wastrel> usermod -s   will let you change the shell
[05:10] <lyhana8> you were right: jstarservice:x:1000:1000::/home/jstarservice:/bin/sh
[05:10] <wastrel> sudo usermod -s /bin/bash <username>
[05:10] <lyhana8> wastrel: frmo the same account ?
[05:10] <wastrel> from any account that has sudo rights
[05:11] <ThECaJuN> Kubuntu 10.04 won't let me use the unalocated space on a partition for installation, only my whole hd
[05:12] <lyhana8> wastrel: maco thanks that ok now :)
[05:30] <vbgunz> I would like to encrypt the contents of an external disk
[05:31] <vbgunz> where should I begin without going too far beyond what Kubuntu may already provide  for me?
[05:46] <guest> where to download  initrd.gz image of kubuntu?
[05:59] <shadow> hd-media files
[07:08] <poyntz> the last update (incl. nvidia), broke my graphics drivers. how do i fix this?
[07:09] <poyntz> as in. the update's didn't work
[07:09] <poyntz> for nvidia
[07:09] <poyntz> the packages weren't properly installed or had bugs
[07:10] <poyntz> the three core nvidia packages are... nvidia-current nvidia-common and, what
[07:10] <poyntz> what's the other one?
[07:14] <poyntz> found a fix. trying it now...
[07:49] <OrnateHybrid> Hay guyz
[07:50] <nobarking> hello!
[07:56] <OrnateHybrid> What browser do you guys use?
[08:00] <OrnateHybrid> Just ran some speed tests on my browsers
[08:00] <OrnateHybrid> on the internet speed I think Chrome wins
[08:01] <OrnateHybrid> It had 15.8 MB/s as compared to FireFox with 12.38
[08:01] <OrnateHybrid> and it had 2ms less ping
[08:01] <Vojtaeus> Opera is IMHO much more better.
[08:01] <OrnateHybrid> The only time I ever used an Opera based browser
[08:01] <OrnateHybrid> was on my Wii
[08:02] <OrnateHybrid> Also, I don't mean to be a grammar nazi
[08:02] <OrnateHybrid> but "much more better."
[08:02] <OrnateHybrid> Thats just bad grammar
[08:04] <OrnateHybrid> Mozilla is still a 90 on the Acid3
[08:04] <OrnateHybrid> But Chrome is a 98
[08:04] <OrnateHybrid> I feel sad
[08:04] <OrnateHybrid> I used to love Mozilla
[08:05] <OrnateHybrid> Ooh
[08:05] <OrnateHybrid> Chrome just went to 100
[08:05] <OrnateHybrid> Wait no
[08:05] <OrnateHybrid> I'm wrong
[08:05] <OrnateHybrid> it's still 98
[08:05] <OrnateHybrid> Still
[08:05] <OrnateHybrid> Sadly Chrome has outperformed Mozilla
[08:10] <OrnateHybrid> Holy shit
[08:10] <OrnateHybrid> that's pretty badass
[08:10] <OrnateHybrid> I can make my desktop so that it changes itself based on the weather
[08:18] <torsten> hello. just recently Kontact starts with summary. And then there no click has an effect in Kontact. I can't switch to calendar, news or mail. How can I get Kontact working again?
[08:21] <OrnateHybrid> I've never used Kontact
[08:21] <OrnateHybrid> I never really plan things ahead of time
[08:22] <OrnateHybrid> I'm far too lazy for that
[08:22] <OrnateHybrid> And when I do, I usually put stuff in my iPod Touch's calander
[08:22] <OrnateHybrid> calendar*
[08:22] <OrnateHybrid> cause I always have that with me
[08:22] <OrnateHybrid> xD
[08:22] <FloodBotK2> OrnateHybrid: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:26] <torsten> thx, thats really helpful. I dont have an ipod. but its fine to hear u have one
[08:29] <OrnateHybrid> Someone is grumpy
[08:29] <OrnateHybrid> But anways
[08:29] <OrnateHybrid> If you can't get the app to work
[08:29] <OrnateHybrid> Maybe that isn't the right app for you
[08:29] <FloodBotK2> OrnateHybrid: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:29] <OrnateHybrid> Try going to google and searching like
[08:29] <OrnateHybrid> "Best Ubuntu Calendar"
[08:29] <OrnateHybrid> Or something
[08:32] <torsten> the problem is that worked fine now for years and for a week now it frozes at start. thats not a problem of getting the app working, its an error of the app. And I am asking for a hint how manage that.
[08:38] <OrnateHybrid> Hmm
[08:38] <OrnateHybrid> It just freezes?
[08:38] <OrnateHybrid> It doesn't crash?
[08:38] <OrnateHybrid> So no error codes?
[08:40] <torsten> when trying to quit kontact, theres an message, that it doesnt react.
[08:40] <torsten> freezes at start
[08:42] <torsten> I now found how to start with another plugin. but same effect at start of app
[08:42] <OrnateHybrid> It gives you a message?
[08:42] <OrnateHybrid> Mind telling me the message?
[08:43] <torsten> have to translate it. its on germen here. one moment please.
[08:47] <torsten> "The window 'Summary - Kontact' doesn't react. It belongs to the application kontact (PID: 2560). Do you want to quit this app incl. all child processes? In case of this all data not saved will be lost"
[08:54] <OrnateHybrid> Have you tried hitting no?
[08:54] <OrnateHybrid> It says do you want to quit
[08:54] <OrnateHybrid> Try hitting know
[08:55] <OrnateHybrid> no*
[08:55] <OrnateHybrid> Why did I type know
[08:55] <OrnateHybrid> I'm far too tired to help anyone right now
[08:55] <OrnateHybrid> I'm gonna go get some lseep
[08:55] <FloodBotK2> OrnateHybrid: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:55] <OrnateHybrid> sleep*
[09:40] <lyhana8_> hi doesn't fish (SSH) support copying symlink ?
[11:14] <jtheuer> hi, I noticed that I cannot copy'n'paste if the 'copy' program is closed - the 'paste' is just empty. I think this was working a few month ago. any Idea what I have to configure the clipboard?
[11:15] <well_laid_lawn> !info klipper
[11:24] <Torch> jtheuer: it's the way X11 was designed to work. and this in turn is the primary reason to use klipper.
[12:06] <chavalot_> hello /hola
[12:50] <bb_> Hi all - just wanted to inform you that KDE 4.5 RC2 seems to ship an buggy and outdated version of Kleopatra. With the version available it is not possible to create a new X.509 Key. As developers tell me this bug is known and fixed in newer versions of kleopatra. Please take care to ship a newer version in final packages! Thx!
[12:52] <James147> bb_: Kleopatra? dont think thats part of kde sc...
[12:53] <bb_> James147: Well it is a KDE app :)
[12:53] <James147> bb_: that dosnt mean it has to be upto date with kde 4.5 :S ...
[12:54] <James147> bb_: and also means it has nothing to do with teh release of kde 4.5... if you want to more to update version then is in the repos I would think you need to go to the developers for a .deb or the source
[12:55] <bb_> James147: ok, then i would like correct my comment: the current available version of kleopatra is outdated (having Version 2.0.12 installed)
[12:55] <javier> Hi to everyone. Have problems wirh amarok. Doesn't start after updgrading 10.04
[12:55] <javier> someone knows how to deal with that?
[12:56] <James147> bb_: kubuntu dont tend to update to newer package version during a release... things like kde 4.5 arent in offical ppa, just ones the developers create to keep us up to date :)
[12:56] <James147> javier: upgrading from what?
[12:57] <javier> from previous kubuntu
[12:57] <javier> (from karmic)
[12:58] <James147> javier: :S ... not entirly sure whats wrong but you can see if its a config error by creating a new user... or by renaming ~/.kde/share/config/amarok*
[12:58] <bb_> James147: hm now I am confused. I installed kleopatra - and the version available has a blocking bug (not beeing able to create a new key). Now what better reason would there be to provide new packages? Esp. if this problem is known and fixed?
[12:58] <renat> hi guys, can someone help me with CentOS software update..? plz.... :)
[12:58] <James147> javier: renaming ~/.kde/share/config/amarok* will reset amarok to teh default settings
[12:59] <javier> mhm
[12:59] <javier> I'll find it with a diferent name?
[12:59] <James147> renat: centos? try they channel
[12:59] <James147> javier: amarok* refers to all the files starting with amarok
[13:00] <javier> mhm
[13:00] <javier> I have them in my screen
[13:00] <renat> James147: wich channel? #centos ?
[13:01] <James147> bb_: there are allot of packages... its very hard to update them all, checking for errors and new bugs during a release...
[13:01] <James147> renat: i dont know the exact channel name but i would start with that
[13:02] <James147> bb_: some things get added to the backports ppa, you could try that
[13:02] <James147> bb_: although it will require you updating kde to 4.4.5
[13:03] <James147> and 4.5 as soon as its packaged
[13:03] <javier> James147, how am I supposed to change that config problem in order to restart amarok configuration?
[13:03] <James147> javier: rename/delete the files
[13:03] <javier> amm
[13:03] <James147> javier: then restart amarok
[13:03] <javier> just delete all them?
[13:03] <javier> ok
[13:04] <bb_> James147: I am using KDE 4.5 RC2
[13:04] <James147> javier: if you dont care about recovering them at all then yes other wise rename (its like creating a backup)
[13:04] <James147> bb_: so you have beta ppa, do you also have backports?
[13:05] <javier> James147, thanks! looks like the problem dissapeared and I learned how to backup a program. Thanks very much!
[13:06] <James147> javier: all kde program settings are stored in ~/.kde/share/config   extra info for the programs (things like databases and such) are stored in ~/.kde/share/apps
[13:06] <javier> great
[13:07] <javier> :S but collection of music desappeared, of course
[13:07] <javier> I will investigate how to organize it again
[13:08] <James147> javier: you should be able to rescan the collection... in teh settings of amarok
[13:09] <bb_> James147: yeah backports are activated as well
[13:09] <James147> bb_: then if you wish to upgrade i would look for a more uptodate ppa/.deb/source
[13:11] <bb_> James147: I hoped it could find its way into inproving the packages - as I said there is a blocker bug in the package - that should be reason enauge to ditro-upgrade the packe imho
[13:11] <bb_> distro-upgrade
[13:12] <James147> bb_: sorry... i lied to you... seems it is part of kde :S
[13:13] <bb_> James147: :)
[13:15] <James147> bb_: well, kubuntu have seemed to miss the 4.5 RC3 release, and kde 4.5 release was push back to lots of last miniut commits... it `could` have been fixed but to find out I would ask in #kde  or #kontact (ithink)
[13:16] <Torch> bb_: where's the bug report for your bug?
[13:20] <bb_> Torch: I dont know where to report bugs to Kubuntu - this is why i mentioned it here
[13:20] <Torch> bb_: well, you mentioned a "blocking bug". thus i thought there was a bug report.
[13:21] <Torch> bb_: report bugs in the software to bugs.kde.org, only packaging bugs should be reported to kubuntu
[13:21] <bb_> Torch: this is what I experience as I need to create a X.509 Key with kleopatra - which is not possible atm
[13:21] <James147> ^^ although if you said its already fixed in a newer verion there is little point in reporting it to kde
[13:21] <bb_> Torch:  it is a packaging bug
[13:22] <Torch> James147: ah, missed that part.
[13:23] <James147> bb_: and dont really see it as a packaging bug.. its a bug in kde... afraid there is little that can be done at this point if its not already in kde 4.5
[13:48] <BluesKaj> 'morning folks
[14:03] <clovis> isnt there a menu.lst in /boot/grub anymore?!?
[14:03] <clovis> I cant find it to edit...
[14:03] <James147> clovis: no
[14:03] <James147> clovis: grud 2 auto generates one by running "sudo update-grub"
[14:04] <clovis> oh..
[14:04] <James147> clovis: you can edit some settings in /etc/default/grub
[14:04] <clovis> okay James147, thanks ;)
[14:04] <James147> !grub2 | clovis
[14:12] <BluesKaj> bbl
[14:26] <disco-disco> hi
[14:26] <disco-disco> how to go to russian channel?   what command?
[14:26] <disco-disco> ?
[14:27] <disco-disco> "go ru-kubuntu"  ???
[14:27] <disco-disco> join ?
[14:27] <slinker1> !RU
[14:27] <disco-disco> join ru-kubuntu
[14:27] <Pici> disco-disco: /join #kubuntu-ru
[14:27] <disco-disco> Pici  thenks
[14:58] <betacheer> hello everybody :D
[14:59] <betacheer> is there anybody?
[14:59] <James147> !hi | betacheer
[15:00] <betacheer> Where can i find xorg.conf in kubuntu?
[15:00] <James147> betacheer: /etc/X11
[15:00] <betacheer> I know but i do not have it here :(
[15:00] <James147> betacheer: note that bydefault there isnt one
[15:00] <betacheer> Why?
[15:00] <James147> betacheer: its not needed in most cases anymroe
[15:01] <betacheer> I want to try uxa acceleration method because I have Intel graphics
[15:01] <James147> since X can now auto detect settings
[15:01] <betacheer> And uxa can be enabled only in xorg.conf
[15:01] <James147> betacheer: if you create one at that location it will be used
[15:01] <betacheer> thx I will try it, but will X11 create structure of this file, or I must do it manually?
[15:02] <James147> betacheer: possibally, but dont know how to do it with out an nvidia card :)
[15:03] <betacheer> You have nvidia card?
[15:03] <disco-zohan> ьаьаь
[15:03] <disco-zohan> дракон
[15:03] <FloodBotK2> disco-zohan: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:03] <James147> !ru | disco-zohan
[15:03] <James147> betacheer: yeah
[15:03] <disco-zohan> James147 отвали
[15:04] <betacheer> So I have an old IBM computer with Pentium 4 and integrated Intel graphics :D
[15:04] <betacheer> But thank you for help
[15:06] <betacheer> But from Dolphin I cannot create file in this location
[15:06] <betacheer> Must I do it with Terminal?
[15:06] <disco-zohan> !man man | betacheer
[15:06] <disco-zohan> !man | betacheer
[15:07] <betacheer> Why man?
[15:07] <James147> betacheer: you need to be root to do that... best from terminal but you can use "kdesudo dolphin" to do it (not generally advised as it makes it allot easier to accdently delete somehting important :)
[15:07] <betacheer> ok thank you :D
[15:07] <disco-zohan> betacheer  do not you like man-tracks?    may be iveco ?
[15:08] <disco-zohan> or tatra
[15:08] <betacheer> I do not like trucks at all :)
[15:10] <James147> betacheer: ^^ better then using dolphin to create a file you should use kate as root (kdesudo kate)  its slightly safer :)
[15:10] <James147> betacheer: or even "kdesudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[15:11] <betacheer> thank you for your help...
[15:13] <betacheer> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1130582
[15:13] <betacheer> Can I use this howto to accelerate my graphics?
[15:15] <James147> betacheer: I would think so, as long as you make appopiate changes (kdesudo kate rather then gksudo gedit)
[15:16] <betacheer> ok I am working on it :D
[15:17] <James147> betacheer: which part are you going to follow?
[15:18] <betacheer> Optimal or safe, bleeding edge might be unstable, this howto is wrtitten for ubuntu so i really do not know if bleedin edge will work on kubuntu
[15:18] <James147> betacheer: kubuntu and ubuntu use the same repos/backends so it shouldnt make a difference
[15:20] <betacheer> ok so I'll try bleeding edge, because I want to have some fun :D:D
[15:22] <betacheer> $ sudo ln -s /usr/local/bin/fixmtrr.sh /etc/gdm/PostLogin/Default
[15:22] <betacheer> i want to start this executable evry time the kubuntu starts
[15:22] <betacheer> but there is written " This works only if you are using the GNOME Display Manager (GDM). KDE/other users need to execute this script manually"
[15:23] <betacheer> Any chance to execute it automatically?
[15:24] <James147> betacheer: add the script to system settings > advanced > auto start   will do it for your user
[15:24] <disco-zohan> HI
[15:25] <disco-zohan> somebody can me say where is jurist-channel ?
[15:25] <disco-zohan> juridical chennel
[15:26] <betacheer> auto start program or script, I think script, but.....?
[15:27] <James147> betacheer: script should be fine....
[15:27] <James147> betacheer: yeah, script, adding a program just opens the program menu to pick a program :)
[15:28] <betacheer> Ok and should I run it before or after KDE starts, it is script that have something to do with graphical environment, so I think after, but.....?
[15:30] <James147> betacheer:  I would say before... but if that dosnt work you can change it :)
[15:33] <pushkaraj> Hello everybody, I am having a problem while setting up environment for compilation of kate
[15:33] <betacheer> But this howto is for Jaunty..... There is written, "upgrade to <IP_ADDRESS> kernel", has 10.04 kubuntu newer kernel?
[15:33] <pushkaraj> 'sudo aptitude install git-core kdelibs5-dev' is failing by dependency error
[15:33] <James147> betacheer: lucid has 2.6.32
[15:33] <pushkaraj> is there anyother workarround, like, without installing -and just copy paste- it i can compile my code
[15:34] <betacheer> pushkaraj: You have to install all dependencies that it tells you.
[15:34] <James147> pushkaraj: what is the error?
[15:34] <betacheer> ok
[15:34] <pushkaraj> this is the o/p
[15:35] <pushkaraj> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[15:35] <pushkaraj>   libsoprano-dev: Depends: libsoprano4 (= 2.1.1+dfsg.1-0lenny1) but 2.4.2+dfsg.1-0ubuntu1 is installed.
[15:35] <pushkaraj>   kdelibs5-dev: Depends: kdelibs5 (= 4:4.1.0-3) but 4:4.4.2-0ubuntu4 is installed.
[15:35] <pushkaraj>   libphonon-dev: Depends: libphonon4 (= 4:4.2.0-2) but 4:4.6.2-0ubuntu5 is installed.
[15:35] <pushkaraj>   soprano-daemon: Conflicts: libsoprano-dev (< 2.3.0+dfsg.1-1) but 2.1.1+dfsg.1-0lenny1 is to be installed.
[15:35] <FloodBotK2> pushkaraj: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:35] <pushkaraj> open: 5114; closed: 4960; defer: 0; conflict: 7                                                                                .No solution found within the allotted time.  Try harder? [Y/n]Y
[15:35] <betacheer> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/xorg-edgers/ppa/kubuntu jaunty main #xorg-edgers PPA
[15:36] <betacheer> Orginally this link points to ubuntu jaunty, if I rewrite ubuntu to kubuntu and jaunty to lucid will thic link work?
[15:36] <James147> betacheer: replace jaunty with lucid
[15:36] <betacheer> yeah, thanx
[15:36] <James147> betacheer: dont change ubuntu to kubuntu
[15:36] <betacheer> ok
[15:36] <James147> betacheer: kubuntu uses the ubuntu repos so at this level there isnt any difference :)
[15:37] <betacheer> ok I see now :)
[15:37] <pushkaraj> @James147, while installing, i am getting dependency error
[15:37] <pushkaraj> like some of the lib conflicts with what is already installed
[15:37] <James147> pushkaraj: try running "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install -f" first then try it again
[15:39] <betacheer> it is updating now, if it won't be buggy thank you JAMES :D
[15:39] <betacheer> And even if it will be, just thank you :)
[15:40] <betacheer> If you are using Kubuntu or a custom distribution of Ubuntu that does not use the GNOME Display Manager (GDM), you need to execute the fixmtrr.sh script each time X (re)starts. Therefore, executing this script in your rc.local script is not sufficient.
[15:40] <betacheer> am I executing it right way ?
[15:42] <James147> betacheer:  I am not fully sure :)
[15:42] <James147> betacheer:  try it and see
[15:42] <betacheer> ok
[15:43] <James147> betacheer:  if not you can try editing /etc/kde4/kdm/Xstartup   so that it executes the script first.... but I do not know what that will do
[15:43] <James147> or even if thats the right file
[15:44] <betacheer> I configured it that way....
[15:44] <betacheer> So it wil start before kde
[15:44] <betacheer> I will give it a try :D
[15:49] <betacheer> Ok Restarting now,,, whoa :D
[15:53] <betacheer> Helo everybody
[15:54] <betacheer> James thank you for your time
[15:54] <betacheer> Now it is running alot faster and 3d graphics is good
[16:00] <skafti> hello
[16:02] <skafti> does someone know how to install java
[16:02] <James147> skafti: enable the partener repos (easiest to do in kpackagekit)
[16:03] <James147> skafti: then install sun-java6-jre
[16:03] <cortex_sk> skafti: you probably want to install openjdk-6-jre package or openjdk-6-jdk
[16:03] <James147> ^^ or jsut use them
[16:04] <skafti> f*** i just installed kubuntu two days ago trying to make it work, complete noobee
[16:08] <skafti> dont find partener repos
[16:08] <skafti> or openjdk-6-jdk
[16:09] <Pici> !partner | skafti
[16:09] <skafti> must sound like a complete jerk :)
[16:09] <cortex_sk> skafti: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[16:09] <cortex_sk> this might help
[16:11] <cortex_sk> skafti: http://kubuntuguide.org/Lucid
[16:11] <BluesKaj> skafti, one can also edit the /etc/apt/sources list by uncommenting the canonical partner deb repositories , if your install is anew one.
[16:12] <skafti> thanks alot
[16:12] <BluesKaj> err /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:13] <shiki-> hello guys. a short question and maybe someone knows the answer. I installed a new kernel with -ck patchset. Everythin went good, except this part: "sudo cp /usr/share/kernel-package/examples/etc/kernel/postinst.d/initramfs  /etc/kernel/postinst.d/" I skipped these steps, it installed fine, running fine. However, it says it coulndn't find modules.dep (at boot)
[16:13] <shiki-> The file exists, and I have no idea what could I do :/
[16:37] <solifugus> I was using CTL-L to lock my screen.. but it stopped working..  Now I have to use the menu to lock the screen.. Was that a recent software update that broke it?
[16:38] <solifugus> It's borken
[16:38] <James147> solifugus: isnt it crtl+alt+l? you could try changing the global shortcuts
[16:39] <James147> ^^ actually seems to not be working here either :S what version of kde are you using? I am on kde 4.5 RC2
[16:45] <thecat> fuck kbuntu
[16:46] <maco> !language | thecat
[16:46] <thecat> fuck kbuntu
[16:50] <solifugus> James147: ah.. that's why.... ok...
[16:51] <skafti> sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin
[16:52] <skafti> java-common odbcinst1debian1 sun-java6-bin sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin
[16:52] <skafti>   unixodbc
[16:52] <skafti> is this java for for kubuntu
[16:52] <James147> skafti: would think sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin should be enough
[16:53] <skafti> hehe dunno, but when you say it it sounds enough :)
[16:54] <skafti> 100mb of java s***
[16:54] <James147> ^^ welcome to java :)
[16:55] <skafti> aperently im in javaworld now
[17:53] <pushkaraj_> I am trying to compile kate (ref- http://kate-editor.org/get-it/) but stuck on step #5: run the configure process with cmake:cmake ../kate -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=debugfull -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=~/kde/usr
[17:53] <pushkaraj_> error is - CMake Error at app/CMakeLists.txt:33 (kde4_add_library):  Unknown CMake command "kde4_add_library".
[17:54] <pushkaraj_> am i missing anything?
[18:11] <Jobob> Hello?
[18:11] <Jobob> Hello?
[18:12] <Jobob> Anyone im
[18:12] <Jobob> inj
[18:12] <Jobob> in
[18:12] <Jobob> sorry. typos...
[18:12] <James147> Hi
[18:13] <Jobob> I am ready to help with questions related to kubuntu karmic koala and lucid lynx. if you want info on the upcomimg realease, maverick meerkat.
[18:13] <Jobob> please tell me.
[18:14] <Pici> Jobob: Maverick support and discussion is in #ubuntu+1
[18:14] <Jobob> type 1 for karmic koala, type 2 for lucid lynx.  type 3 for other subjects.
[18:14] <James147> Jobob: and generally people just ask questions, if you know the answer reply... you dont need to anounce you are ready to help :)
[18:15] <DarthFrog> Jobob: Don't you think you might learn how this channel operates first?
[18:15] <Jobob> ... now everyones going on at me
[18:15] <Jobob> i know anyway darthfrog..
[18:23] <marv_> hallo an alle
[18:23] <marv_> kann mir grad mal jemand helfen?
[18:24] <wastrel> Ich habe eine Lampe.
[18:24] <wastrel> sorry don't speak german :]
[18:24] <wastrel> !de
[18:25] <marv_> Okay I'll try it in english:P
[18:27] <marv_> I have mount my old wubi kubuntu filesystem (on windows hard disk in disks/root.disk) as /vdisk and i'd like to copy all files from /vdisk into the / mount point to my kubuntu hard disk i am running a live version at the moment to do that
[18:28] <marv_> i tried to use rsync: sudo rsync -r /vdisk /media/disk-1 but rsync doesn't copy anything it prints: skipping non-regular file...
[18:28] <wastrel> the wubi disk is mounted on /vdisk  or that's the disk file?
[18:29] <James147> marv_: try it with -a
[18:29] <wastrel> -avz  is what i normally use
[18:29] <James147> marv_: (or -avh for verbose)
[18:30] <marv_> James147:  instead of -r?
[18:30] <James147> marv_: -a  will include -r ... -a stands for archive mode, it copies the file structre exactly including premisions and symlinks I think
[18:30] <James147> man rsync for more info
[18:31] <DarthFrog> You can access your WUBI file system by mounting the vdisk with the "-o loop" option.
[18:31] <James147> wastrel: is -z needed for a local to local copy? dosnt it just take longer to compress teh files in emeory, and uncompress them again...
[18:32] <marv_> DarthFrog:  i did it
[18:32] <DarthFrog> marv_: Can you see the files?
[18:32] <wastrel> James147: probably true :]  it's in my muscle memory
[18:32] <marv_> yes i can
[18:33] <marv_> but copying with the GUI doesn't work, the paste option is disabled so i would try it with the terminal
[18:34] <DarthFrog> marv_: To migrate a WUBI installation to a real partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=wubi-move-to-partition
[18:35] <James147> would think its also possible to use dd :)
[18:35] <James147> although that might be considered more dangrous
[18:36] <marv_> i replace every new file from a new installation with the old ones, do you think it works?
[18:38] <James147> marv_: the script DarthFrog linked should work... although you might want to back anyhting on the partition before you use it
[18:41] <James147> marv_: note that it looks like it will format the partition first ^^
[18:42] <betacheer> how can i create script taht will run every startup, or how to modify startup of plasma-desktop?
[18:42] <betacheer> And hello everybody :D
[18:42] <James147> betacheer: startup scripts can be set in system settings > advanced > Autostart
[18:43] <betacheer> But how can i modify startup of plasma desktop?
[18:43] <betacheer> I wan to use raster graphicssystem
[18:44] <marv_> i have to run the script in the wubi installed kubuntu?
[18:44] <James147> not entirly sure about that one :) probally edit the session start up files
[18:44] <rackIT> is there a package like Quanta for web dev that I can use with Lucid?
[18:45] <James147> rackIT: quanta exists in lucid
[18:47] <rackIT> James147: I have some dependency issues to resolve then. kpackagekit claims the install will break something
[18:48] <James147> betacheer: you could edit ~/.config/autostart/plasma-desktop.desktop   i think and change "Exec=" to what you need it to be
[18:50] <DarthFrog> !wubi
[18:51] <DarthFrog> marv_: the info you need is there.
[18:51] <rackIT> James147: BTW, 64 bit live disk didn't throw errors until I tried to do an install. I assume that means the "live" portion is 32bit?
[18:51] <betacheer> yeah, i will give it a try
[18:51] <betacheer> When i compile powertweak from tar.fz will it have GUI ?
[18:52] <James147> rackIT: dont think so... i have tryed launching a 64bit live usb on a 32 bit mechiene and it failes on trying to load the kernal
[18:53]  * James147 searches for a 64bit live disk to make sure...
[18:54] <James147> rackIT: yeah, get an error when i try to boot a 64bit live usb on a 32 bit comp
[18:55] <mike> have some questions about unraring files if someone could help out
[18:55] <James147> !ask | Guest74834
[18:56] <wastrel> hi
[18:56] <Guest4995> I have 47mb rar files... r01 r02 etc.  containing 1 iso file... how do i extract?? im really new to kubuntu
[18:57] <James147> Guest4995: use ark... i think it can handel split files  (i would open teh first one either .rar or .r00/1)
[18:58] <Pici> !unrar
[18:58] <DarthFrog> unrar -x <rar file>
[18:58] <tax> does can help me? i am newbie in kubuntu
[18:58] <James147> !ask | tax
[18:58] <DarthFrog> unrar will find and extract all the .r0* files.
[18:58] <Guest4995> james that is what i did, and it did nothing... i used ark... picked r00, picked extract to /me/desktop and it did nothing... dropped an .iso file... 4kb
[18:59] <Guest4995> darth how do you specify the location to extract to, or where does it extract to
[18:59] <DarthFrog> Guest4995: Use "unrar" and specify the file named .rar
[18:59] <James147> Guest4995: try opening the *.rar if there is one, if not do what DarthFrog suggests
[19:00] <DarthFrog> Guest4995: I'd move the rar files into the directory you want them extracted into.
[19:00] <tax> i want to remove hyla4fax from my system how i can that?
[19:01] <rackIT> James147: i installed the KDE 4 web dev package - that's what stopped Quant. It's gone now and I have Quanta!
[19:01] <DarthFrog> tax: Use the Software Management utility (in System) to remove it.
[19:01] <tax> i try synaptic but it says me wrong
[19:03] <tax> it shows me that : E: capi4hylafax: subprocess installed pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
[19:04] <DarthFrog> tax: From the command line, run "apt-get -f install"
[19:05] <James147> tax: ^^ "sudo apt-get -f install"  needs root :)
[19:05] <glaucous> I'm having a problem that sometimes some windows to not re-render. What I mean is that part of a program/window is black, and I need to move the window off-screen and back so that it re-renders.
[19:05] <vinnie_> when i choose to show delete command in dolphin my setting doesnt stick..... can someone please help me??
[19:06] <DarthFrog> James147: Oops!  Thanks. :)
[19:06] <glaucous> do not*
[19:06] <betacheer> how to remove corrupted package, I tried to get a deb package from .rpm with alien but after installing it, it refusues to uninstall agin, because uninstaller cannot find 2 patchs, even this"sudo dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq " don§t work, any help???
[19:06] <betacheer> *paths
[19:07] <James147> vinnie_: do the other settings stick?
[19:08] <tax> sorry how i became root
[19:08] <vinnie_> James147: let me check
[19:08] <James147> tax: just run the command i gave
[19:08] <James147> tax: sudo will run things as root :)
[19:08] <tax> it says :E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
[19:08] <tax> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[19:08] <James147> tax: and you need to close synctpic
[19:09] <maco> tax: you need to use "sudo"
[19:09] <James147> tax: and any other package mangment program you have open
[19:09] <maco> James147: permission denied, not already locked
[19:09] <tax> ok sorry
[19:10] <James147> maco: already said that ^^ was also making sure he didnt leave synaptic open
[19:10] <vinnie_> James147: yes... other settings stick
[19:10] <James147> vinnie_: hmm...
[19:13] <vinnie_> James147: its working now
[19:13] <James147> heh
[19:14] <tax> thanks now its ok , thanks for the help
[19:14] <vinnie_> James147: im gonna reboot to see if it changes
[19:25] <Tranquil_Waters> Does anyone have any idea when kde4.5 will be available for Lucid?
[19:26] <Tranquil_Waters> kde 4.5 RC3 has been released a few days agao, but it's not in the beta ppa yet :/
[19:26] <Tranquil_Waters> correction, RC3 was released on july 26th already
[19:26] <Tranquil_Waters> :/
[19:26] <James147> ^^ more then a few days ago :)
[19:26] <betacheer> anybody can help with removing corrupted package?
[19:26] <Tranquil_Waters> yeah I noticed
[19:27] <Tranquil_Waters> sudo aptitude purge package?
[19:27] <Tranquil_Waters> in konsole
[19:27] <James147> I would expect it to be within the week... keep in mind that kde 4.5 hasnt been released yet (although it should be today)
[19:28] <Tranquil_Waters> ok, I already thought that they would maybe skip the RC3 for kubuntu and wait till final
[19:28] <Tranquil_Waters> I'm running the RC2 now, and it looks nice :)
[19:28] <swien> Hi, I've got some problem with the upstart. It does not start all of my services.
[19:28] <Tranquil_Waters> I only filed one minor bug report :P
[19:28] <James147> Tranquil_Waters: not sure why they didnt package RC3 ^^  but I am getting the feeling that they are skipping it now
[19:30] <Tranquil_Waters> James147: Yeah you're probably right.. though usually they package things quite fast. Oh well... If final comes out tonight (Netherlands time here :P) maybe the final will be available in repo's tomorrow :)
[19:30] <betacheer> Isn't Newest kubuntu already tunning on KDE 4.5?
[19:31] <James147> Tranquil_Waters: ^^ heres hopeing,
[19:31] <betacheer> *runnig :D
[19:31] <Tranquil_Waters> betacheer: Yeah Maverick is.. but that's still in alpha
[19:31] <Tranquil_Waters> :-)
[19:31] <James147> betacheer: it has kde RC, 4.5 isent out yet
[19:31] <Tranquil_Waters> I usually wait until it's at least beta
[19:31] <Tranquil_Waters> or RC
[19:31] <Tranquil_Waters> :)
[19:32] <betacheer> Yeah sometimes RC aor beta packages have more functions or they are graphicaly nicer than final "product" :D
[19:32] <James147> betacheer: finals are better then RC/betas ^^
[19:33] <Tranquil_Waters> ^^
[19:33] <betacheer> sometimes (for me) betas are nicer than final
[19:33] <James147> betacheer: but kde 4.5 final isnt out yet so RC is the latest
[19:34] <Tranquil_Waters> I always try to keep myself from adding to much instable stuff... but then I read the kubuntu news and they talk about all kinds of new shiny stuff... ^_^
[19:34] <betacheer> But i am not talking only abou KDE but abou programs all
[19:34] <betacheer> :D
[19:34] <Tranquil_Waters> At least I figured out a nice way for me to quickly reinstall kubuntu without too much hassle (A)
[19:34] <Tranquil_Waters> O:-)
[19:35] <betacheer> bye, i am restarting :D
[19:35] <James147> Tranquil_Waters: :) what do you mean figured out a way? its never been the much hassel :)
[19:36] <Tranquil_Waters> nah installing isn't, but I always want to start with a clean home folder as well
[19:37] <DarthFrog>  Tranquil_Waters: A clean home folder?  Why?
[19:37] <James147> Tranquil_Waters: ahh :) i tend to use a dirt /home  ...makes it quicker to set up
[19:37] <DarthFrog> What about all your data, your mail?
[19:37] <Tranquil_Waters> so now I have my data on /mnt/data/ in some folders (separate partition), and I do not use a separate /home partition. I just make a few symlinks to replace the standard folders in home
[19:37] <James147> Tranquil_Waters: and delete .kde every now and then
[19:38] <Tranquil_Waters> I usually screw thinks up completely by tinkering around, not just .kde
[19:38] <Tranquil_Waters> just deleting .kde every now and then was not enough to clean up my mess XD
[19:39] <James147> Tranquil_Waters: then I would rm ~/.*  :)
[19:39] <Tranquil_Waters> which is basically the same as I do :P
[19:39] <Tranquil_Waters> I just remove all and create a few new symlinks in dolphin with dragNdrop :P
[19:39] <Tranquil_Waters> not really a hassle
[19:39] <James147> :)
[19:43] <Tranquil_Waters> On another note: is there any program/protocol that has voice chat working yet? GoogleTalk? MSN?
[19:43] <Tranquil_Waters> voice + video chat?
[19:46] <tax> nothing i am wrong i run sudo apt-get -f install again and says
[19:46] <tax> dpkg: error processing capi4hylafax (--configure):
[19:46] <tax>  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[19:46] <tax> Errors were encountered while processing:
[19:46] <tax>  capi4hylafax
[19:46] <tax> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[19:46] <FloodBotK2> tax: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:46] <tax> ok sorry
[19:46] <tax> i am newbie
[19:49] <tax> how i can remove capi4hylafax
[19:49] <DarthFrog> tax: you can try "sudo dpkg -r --force-remove-reinstreq capi4hylafax"
[19:50] <DarthFrog> tax: Actually, try "sudo dpkg --reconfigure -a" first.
[19:53] <glaucous> I can't get SPDIF to work. I've tried both SMPlayer and VLC, none of them can bitstream to SPDIF. Please note that 2 channel audio to the Digital device works (2 channel over SPDIF).
[19:55] <luis__> hey James147 good to see you you think you can help me please?
[19:55] <James147> luis__: just ask you question
[19:56] <luis__> i am trying to fix my panel but i can't this is what i got i want to reduce the black section they it suppose to be right now is this what i have: http://www.uploadscreenshot.com/image/102619/9356177
[19:57] <James147> luis__: thats because your missing the task manager... what version of kubuntu/kde are you running?
[19:57] <luis__> the one i installed yesterday kubuntu9.04
[19:58] <luis__> and i am still having some issues
[19:58] <luis__> this is one of them
[19:58] <James147> luis__: cant remember if you can on that version... but at some point there was a spacer widget
[19:58] <maco> 9.04 does not have a spacer widget
[19:58] <tax> darthforg i try your 2 advise but says unknow option --reconfigure
[19:58] <maco> that was introduced in 9.10
[19:59] <James147>  :(
[19:59] <luis__> it was ok but i restart my pc after some update and then the panel became like that
[19:59] <maco> possibly you can get it through Get Hot New Stuff though?
[19:59] <DarthFrog> tax: Then it's --configure instead. :-)
[19:59] <James147> luis__: did you remove the "task magment" widget on purpose?
[19:59] <luis__> what do you mean with get new stuff?
[20:00] <luis__> i dont know probably
[20:00] <luis__> not sure
[20:00] <luis__> what do i do to get everything back?
[20:00] <maco> luis__: the add widget thing has an option to download new widgets from the internet
[20:00] <luis__> ok lets see
[20:01] <James147> luis__: you might want to add it back (it will also fix your problem) right click the panel > add widget > search Task maganager > drag it back to where you want it
[20:01] <luis__> ok
[20:03] <tax> i try --configure it says cp:cannot stat '/etc/hylafax/config.faxCAPI':no such file or directory
[20:04] <tax> i have unistall hylafax but i can't remove capi4hylafax
[20:06] <DarthFrog> tax:  Do you need hylafax?
[20:06] <tax> no
[20:06] <tax> just i try to use it for fax
[20:06] <luis__> thanks a lot James147 i got it back :P
[20:06] <luis__> now the other thing
[20:07] <DarthFrog> tax:  Did you try:  "sudo dpkg -r --force-remove-reinstreq capi4hylafax"?
[20:07] <luis__> still having problems with my screen resolution everytime i restart pc i have to fix the screen resolution
[20:08] <luis__> bakc in kubuntu8.04 there was this Monitor Pulg 'n' Play feature that allowed me to find my monitor brand and then it on itself fix the screen resol how do i get that feature here in kubuntu9.04?
[20:09] <tax> i try it now and says use 'dselect' or 'aptitude' for user-friendly package management
[20:09] <luis__> i also already install startupmanager but it doesn't fix anything at all so i think if i get that Monitor Plug 'n' Play and find my monitor brand i might be able to fix that screen resol problem
[20:10] <luis__> an you tell me how to look for that feature in terminal or kpackegekit James please?
[20:10] <luis__> or is there another way to fix that??
[20:10] <James147> luis__: try running krandrtray and using that to set the resolution
[20:11] <luis__> i already try that and it doesn't work
[20:11] <tax> sorry says usage sudo -h | -K | -k | -L | -V
[20:12] <James147> luis__: then you should be able to do it by creating a /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and setting that up
[20:12] <luis__> can you guide me to do that please James???
[20:12] <James147> luis__: not sure on how to configure it though, but there should be lots of guides out there
[20:12] <luis__> ok thanks a lot man i appreciate your wonderful help
[20:15] <James147> luis__: see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[20:16] <luis__> excellent txs i'll check that out
[20:22] <tax> any help
[20:45] <brian> Hello
[20:45] <OrnateHybrid> Sup guys?
[20:53] <OrnateHybrid> Boy
[20:53] <OrnateHybrid> This chat is dead today
[20:53] <James147> OrnateHybrid: just means there are no problems :)
[20:53] <OrnateHybrid> Fine
[20:53] <OrnateHybrid> I have a problem
[20:53] <OrnateHybrid> This chat is dead
[20:53] <OrnateHybrid> that is my problem
[20:53] <OrnateHybrid> Fix it
[20:53] <FloodBotK2> OrnateHybrid: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:54] <Pici> Theres #kubuntu-offtopic and #ubuntu-offtopic for non-support chatter.
[20:54] <James147> Why is that a problem, this is a support channel not a chat room
[20:54] <OrnateHybrid> Ooh
[21:08] <glaucous> I'm having an odd problem here. The only program which can output sound through SPDIF on Kubuntu is Amarok. Even though I set SPDIF as default device for every application, the sound for every other application except Amarok stops working.
[21:11] <joona> Hey, Anyone got any experience on laptop VGA outputs?
[21:45] <kader> hi
[22:08] <Tranquil_Waters> joona: what's your question?
[22:09] <Tranquil_Waters> joona: Mine works fine :P
[22:17] <Tranquil_Waters> Is my internet acting up again or has nothing been said in the past 10 min?
[22:20] <James147> Tranquil_Waters: been quite for more then 10 mins
[22:20] <Tranquil_Waters> ok :-) thanks for the reply.. wouldn't be the first time telfort decides to die on me
[22:20] <Tranquil_Waters> :P
[22:21] <Tranquil_Waters> I guess joona's vga question has solved itself then :)
[22:21] <Tranquil_Waters> anyways.. I'm off to my nest now, cya!
[22:21] <mike_> ok im an idiot... what do i use to ssh into my ubuntu server from kubuntu desktop
[22:22] <James147> Guest38099: ssh USER@SERVERIP
[22:22] <Guest38099> yeah what program? etc
[22:22] <James147> Guest38099: ssh ^^
[22:26] <Guest38099> sweet your awesome james
[22:40] <gustavo_> hi
[22:40] <gustavo_> hello
[22:41] <gustavo_> a ver como se usa esto
[22:41] <gustavo_> esta medio complicado
[22:41] <gustavo_> alguien habla español?
[22:42] <gustavo_> some talk spanish?
[22:43] <gustavo_> ok bye!
[23:36] <nomicarious> hello
[23:36] <nomicarious> everyone
[23:37] <nomicarious> i'd like to ask if there is any way to make a perfect rip of a cd-rom that has defective sectors in it
[23:38] <nomicarious> like using alcohol 120%


[03:27] <Darkwing> Is Mark bringing the penguin suit?
[06:19] <philipballew_> bkerensa, how did yhou block your website? im looking to shutdown my wp hosted site today
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[06:22] <philipballew_> i need to do that on my wp site i beleive
[06:22] <DonkeyHotei> you're late
[06:22] <DonkeyHotei> wikipedia is already blacked out
[06:22] <philipballew_> no im not. here in california its the 17th
[06:22] <DonkeyHotei> i know that
[06:22] <DonkeyHotei> aren't they going by utc?
[06:23] <DonkeyHotei> or at least est
[06:23] <pleia2> est
[06:23] <pleia2> washington dc time ;)
[06:23] <philipballew_> yeah, but i made my script to do pacific
[06:23] <philipballew_> im lame like that
[06:23] <philipballew_> my wp theeme doesnt support pluggins, so im gonna switch
[06:24] <DonkeyHotei> no google's main page today is what's lame
[06:33] <philipballew_> my wordpress site doesnt support plugins :(
[06:41] <philipballew_> http://philipballew.wordpress.com/ down
[06:42]  * philipballew_ signing out
[07:11] <bkerensa_> philipballew: Not sure which one there are many
[07:12] <bkerensa_> :(
[07:12] <bkerensa_> my net is really broke atm so I cant even check
[07:12] <pleia2> bkerensa secretly moved to kenya to replace grantbow and didn't tell us
[07:12] <pleia2> why is your internet so terrible? :)
[07:14] <bkerensa_> well
[07:14] <bkerensa_> the main Access Point went down
[07:14] <bkerensa_> and I cant access it at all
[07:14] <bkerensa_> its not responding to ping, telnet, http nothing
[07:14] <pleia2> main access point?
[07:15] <bkerensa_> Yeah I live adjacent to one of the hotels I do wifi for
[07:15] <pleia2> ah
[07:15] <bkerensa_> so I have to wait maybe till tomorrow for our maintainance guy to come out and go on the roof and take down the AP so I can reset the device
[07:15] <bkerensa_> or potentially replace it
[07:15] <pleia2> fun
[07:15] <bkerensa_> and its snowing
[07:15] <bkerensa_> so idk
[07:15] <bkerensa_> :(
[07:15] <pleia2> I want snow
[07:16] <bkerensa_> I dont
[07:16] <pleia2> but I have to say, it is cold
[07:16]  * bkerensa_ sends to California
[07:16] <pleia2> 38F!
[07:16] <pleia2> actually getting below freezing in the north bay this week
[07:16] <bkerensa_> anyways yeah I cant get this AP to respond for the life of me its not broadcasting at all :( problem is it uses POE
[07:16] <bkerensa_> I think to replace it might cost $1000
[07:17] <pleia2> eek
[07:17] <bkerensa_> maybe I will go get Clear tomorrow :)
[14:01] <ryaxnb_> anyone having internet issues?
[14:01] <ryaxnb_> in Central Coast?
[17:02] <pleia2> boo, not sure my chumby8 will be here before I leave
[17:04] <pleia2> supposed to get here tomorrow, but mail comes late, I might need to leave before it arrives
[18:18] <Darkwing> Nice!
[18:18] <Darkwing> Wikipedia is down
[18:19] <Darkwing> :D
[18:20] <DonkeyHotei> has been for ages
[18:20] <Darkwing> just noticed that it's down in protest to SOPA
[18:20] <Darkwing> I'm thinking that is going to be one of my hot topics for this weekend.
[18:22] <DonkeyHotei> it's already been a hot topic in this channel for more than 24 hours
[18:23] <DonkeyHotei> i'm proud to report that i was the one who brought it up here first
[18:26] <akk> Weird, I've been doing a bunch of wikipedia lookups this morning and they've been working here.
[18:27] <DonkeyHotei> wikipedia still works unfettered if you are a user of NoScript, sadly
[18:27] <akk> ah
[18:28] <pleia2> yeah, they just use javascript for the "blackout"
[18:30] <akk> Maybe I should feel guilty that the net's still working for me. :)
[18:32] <DonkeyHotei> yes. BURN, WITCH! j/k
[19:08] <Darkwing> There we go... blacked out my site.
[19:25] <nhaines> Looks like the presenter system for Ubucon is running precise nice and easy.
[19:26] <akk> The presenter system being laptops provided in the rooms?
[19:27] <nhaines> akk: The presenter system being my personal desktop computer with a Velociraptor hard drive donated for the weekend by a coworker, tha I lug to the conference.
[19:27] <nhaines> s/tha/that/
[19:27] <akk> ah, your presenter system, thought you meant something conference-wide
[19:28] <nhaines> Ubucon-wide.  :)
[19:28] <akk> ah
[19:29] <nhaines> Between the Velociraptor drive and backup thumb drives, should be perfect for presentations.
[19:45] <nhaines> It's booting pretty slow, though.  Might drop back to oneiric (or dual boot).
[19:55] <akk> That's a bummer, if boot time has gotten slower.
[19:56] <akk> BTW, I installed oneiric last night on the ExoPC for the booth.
[19:56] <akk> It's pretty much ready to go, but it has some issues -- like Banshee keeps popping up every minute or two, I have no idea why.
[19:57] <akk> Booth people are more than welcome to configure things to make it work better. :)
[19:58] <nhaines> akk: when I unplug the network cable it drops from 49s bootup to 14s bootup.  So It's probably just a work-in-progress sort of thing.
[19:59] <Darkwing> Disable network boot in the BIOS
[19:59] <nhaines> As I'm auditing the boot process from bootloader to desktop, I doubt that is applicable.
[19:59] <akk> Oneiric hangs for 3+ minutes at boot if there's no network available. :( Pangolin probably does too.
[19:59] <Darkwing> ahhh
[20:00] <nhaines> akk: opposite for me!
[20:00] <akk> I can't imagine who thought it was a good idea to make boot dependent on configuring the network, on an OS that can run on laptops.
[20:00] <nhaines> Well, with precise, anyway.  Oneiric doesn't care.
[20:01] <DonkeyHotei> i run oneiric and wifi connects only after the desktop appears, pretty quickly
[20:01] <akk> If there's an entry in /etc/network/interfaces that involves DHCP, then the boot will wait on DHCP for minutes.
[20:01] <nhaines> Hmm, that's odd.
[20:01] <nhaines> Seems like that should background.
[20:01] <akk> You might think.
[20:02] <DonkeyHotei> bug
[20:02] <akk> Unfortunately the networking stuff isn't scriptable to the extent where I can just edit /etc/init.d/networking and add an & after the dhcp
[20:02] <akk> (the dhcp is coming from something deep inside ifconfig or ifup or some other C program)
[20:03] <akk> I should probably add something to /etc/init.d/something-called-early that does a rm /etc/network/interfaces.
[20:03] <DonkeyHotei> not if there's something in there you want
[20:04] <akk> yeah, but at least I can always copy something there later
[20:04] <akk> though I like having the network available early if it's actually there
[20:05] <akk> At SCALE I'll probably have to have networking turned off anyway, unless they have a WPA network available (nobody seems to know).
[20:06] <DonkeyHotei> scale connectivity was never good
[20:07] <akk> I wasn't able to get a signal most of last year ... I think I got one for a few minutes at a time, a few times
[20:07] <akk> but my new laptop doesn't seem able to talk to open/802.11b networks at all (Broadcom, probably a bug in the driver?)
[20:08] <akk> I ordered a new Intel wifi card, but I'm a bit nervous about opening up my laptop for the first time a day before a conference
[20:08] <akk> so I might chicken out on that.
[20:09] <DonkeyHotei> there are several competing drivers for broadcom, so try a different one
[20:10] <akk> I thought there were several drivers because there were several chips? Didn't know I could use a different driver with this chip.
[20:11] <akk> (brcm80211 is the driver, I think)
[20:11] <DonkeyHotei> depends which chip it is
[20:11] <DonkeyHotei> some have more than one driver and some don't
[20:12] <akk> I think it's a brcm4313
[20:12] <DonkeyHotei> follow the dmesg-brick road
[20:12] <akk> (or maybe 3413, I get those confused)
[20:14] <nhaines> akk: nothing like upgrading a computer the day before an important conference to get the adrenaline running!
[20:16] <akk> DonkeyHotei: dmesg doesn't actually give a model, just "Broadcom BCM43xx"
[20:17] <DonkeyHotei> bah
[20:17] <DonkeyHotei> not on any line?
[20:17] <akk> I've grepped -i broadcom and -i brcm
[20:17] <DonkeyHotei> try grepping 43
[20:18] <akk> I knew you were going to say that
[20:18] <DonkeyHotei> though, not every model in the 43xx line actually begins with 43
[20:19] <akk> The only thing 43 matches that wasn't shown in the other lines is: "Applying 4313 WARs"
[20:19] <akk> which I suspect is the chip just because grepping for broadcom linux finds a lot of 4313 references
[20:20] <akk> though I don't know what a WAR is in that context.
[20:20] <nhaines> In A.D. 2101 war was beginning.
[20:20] <akk> (war is not an easy thing to google for :)
[20:21] <DonkeyHotei> definitely not a song by edwin starr
[20:21] <akk> I also never found a way to google for "my broadcom works on WPA but not on open networks"
[20:22] <akk> Lots of pages contain both words WPA and open, or 802.11b and 802.11g -- the trick is googling for cases where one works and the other doesn't.
[20:35] <jtatum> http://thedailywtf.com/ good sopa page
[20:39] <akk> heh
[20:40] <akk> That bit about the joys of discovering a new phone number -- that even applied to the early web (pre search engines).
[20:42] <akk> I remember URLs got passed around word-of-mouth -- "Hey, there's a BOOKSTORE on the web now!" "Oh, yeah? Cool! How do I see it?"
[20:44] <jtatum> pre-working search engines i suppose :)