[02:35] <lamont> pardon the disturbance in the i386 virtual buildd world
[14:46] <tseliot> pitti: can you reject my upload of nvidia-graphics-drivers-updates in oneiric-proposed, please?
[14:47] <pitti> tseliot: sure, done
[14:47] <tseliot> pitti: thanks
[16:12] <zul> can someone review python-passlib for me?
[18:37] <ogasawara> skaet: will there be a release team meeting this friday?
[18:38] <cjwatson> ogasawara: no, US bank holiday
[18:38] <cjwatson> 18:40 <skaet> just noticed that 11/11 is a holiday here in the US,  so will be starting up the release weekly meetings on the 18th.   (unless someone wants to volunteer to host it ;) )
[18:39] <ogasawara> cjwatson: nice, I didn't know that :)
[18:39] <cjwatson> heh
[18:44] <skaet> thanks cjwatson.  :)   yup no meeting.
[18:47]  * lamont sticks the pandafarm on manual, since there seems to be a brief lull in the storm, and he needs to stab it


[04:59] <mannyv> hi fabrice_sp
[05:00] <fabrice_sp> mannyv, Hi :-)
[05:01] <mannyv> im looking over bug 488417
[05:02] <fabrice_sp> mannyv, ok. I think the actual package also fails in lucid
[05:02] <fabrice_sp> but if we can fix it, better :-)
[05:02] <fabrice_sp> (or even better: report to Debian the fix ;-) )
[05:04] <mannyv> fabrice_sp, the problem is this line: JAVA_HOME=$(dirname $(dirname $(dirname $(readlink /etc/alternatives/java))))
[05:04] <mannyv> it does not produce the same result as it does in karmic
[05:05] <fabrice_sp> mannyv, that's what I've seen, yes
[05:05] <fabrice_sp> but why?
[05:05] <fabrice_sp> :-D
[05:17] <mannyv> fabrice_sp, so if i replace that file with  JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj it runs but then it crashes with a null pointer exception
[05:17] <fabrice_sp> :-/
[05:17] <mannyv> if i install openjdk-6-jre it runs fine
[05:18] <mannyv> with no changes
[05:18] <fabrice_sp> so maybe, we should change the package dependency?
[05:18] <mannyv> that happens to be what JAVA_HOME=$(dirname $(dirname $(dirname $(readlink /etc/alternatives/java)))) points to for me in karmic
[05:20] <mannyv> i could try that, but java packages confuse me
[05:20] <fabrice_sp> and in lucid? here. the result is /
[05:21] <mannyv> yeah
[05:21] <mannyv> and readlink /etc/alternatives/java points to /usr/bin/gij-4.4
[05:22] <fabrice_sp> exactly: that's why the hack does not work
[05:22] <fabrice_sp> 3 times dirname gives you /
[05:22] <fabrice_sp> it's a really ugly hack :-/
[05:23] <mannyv> yean in karmic at least for me it points to /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/bin/java
[05:23] <mannyv> but imagine that could vary depending on which jre people decide to run
[05:24] <fabrice_sp> yes: that's the point. Did you check how it's done in the unstable version?
[05:24] <fabrice_sp> 1.43k
[05:24] <mannyv> ill check now
[05:25] <fabrice_sp> thanks :-D
[05:28] <mannyv> it does it the same way: JAVA_HOME=$(dirname $(dirname $(dirname $(readlink /etc/alternatives/java))))
[05:30] <fabrice_sp> so this is something that should be fixed, then
[05:33] <mannyv> yeah i just test built and installed 1.43k and it is broken there too
[05:35] <mannyv> also i installed 1.43g in karmic and it runs fine
[05:35] <fabrice_sp> yeah: default java interpreter has changed...
[05:36] <mannyv> but when i change it so that JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj  instead of open-6-jre
[05:36] <mannyv> it also crashes with null pointer
[05:37] <mannyv> so i am thinking that changing it so it depends on openjdk-6 instead of java-gcj will fix our problems
[05:38] <fabrice_sp> could you try with /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj-4.4 ?
[05:39] <mannyv> /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj is a symlink to /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj-4.4
[05:40] <fabrice_sp_> sorry: got disconnected
[05:40] <mannyv> i said: /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj is a symlink to /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj-4.
[05:41] <mannyv> err: /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj-4.4
[05:41] <fabrice_sp_> yeah: that's the last thing I tried to type :-)
[05:43] <fabrice_sp_> mannyv, the Debian version depends on openjdk-6-jdk (the binary part)
[05:44] <mannyv> i got that message before you disconnected, dont worry i cant read your mind
[05:44] <mannyv> really?
[05:44] <fabrice_sp_> yes
[05:44] <mannyv> this is what debian/control says for the binary: Depends: ${java:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, java-gcj-compat | java2-runtime
[05:44] <fabrice_sp_> oh: the source package
[05:45] <mannyv> but it Build-Depends: openjdk-6-jdk, cdbs, debhelper (>=7), ant, gif2png
[05:45] <fabrice_sp_> yes
[05:45] <fabrice_sp_> a bit strange, no? Build depends on a specific java compiler and run with whatecer your system has :-/
[05:45] <mannyv> yeah
[05:46] <mannyv> ok so i am going the binary dependency, do you think i should do  1.43g or k?
[05:46] <mannyv> going t ochange*
[05:47] <fabrice_sp_> I would say report to Debian :-D
[05:48] <fabrice_sp_> with the null pointer exception, when running with java-gcj
[05:50] <ScottK> Should probably go upstream too, I'd think.
[05:51] <micahg> ScottK: \sh said to poke you about zend-framework backports
[05:51] <ScottK> micahg: OK.  Is there a backports bug that says it builds/installs/runs?
[05:51] <micahg> yep
[05:52] <micahg> bug 488633
[05:52] <micahg> hmm
[05:52] <micahg> installs, let me check :)
[05:52]  * ScottK looks
[05:55] <ScottK> micahg: Once you've checked it builds/installs/runs on a release, mark that task confirmed and ping me again.
[05:55] <micahg> ok, I only have karmic installed right now
[05:57] <ScottK> Often you can test these in chroots.  If you plan to do a lot of backportings, having multiple VMs laying around is handy.
[05:58] <micahg> ok
[05:58] <ScottK> BTW, runs does not mean a complete functional evaluation, just that the packages starts and can do something useful.
[05:58] <micahg> ScottK: it's a PHP library
[05:58] <ScottK> Generally that's enough to know.
[05:59] <mannyv> fabrice_sp_, so i changed it to depend on openjdk-6-jre and also changed it to ur updates-java-alternative instead of the dirname hack and it runs fine. I will report to debian with the fix
[05:59] <micahg> ScottK: it seems to run my local site fine
[05:59] <ScottK> micahg: OK.  Mark it in the bug.
[06:00] <fabrice_sp_> mannyv, ok. Thanks!
[06:00] <micahg> thanks ScottK
[06:01] <mannyv> fabrice_sp_, thanks for taking the time to work through this with me
[06:01] <ScottK> micahg: One more thing: Please edit the bug to include the exact version being requested/tested.
[06:02] <fabrice_sp_> mannyv, yw. If you want more work, I have some merges pending ;-)
[06:02] <micahg> ScottK: in the subject?
[06:02] <ScottK> micahg: Subject or body, doesn't matter much.  Subject is probably slightly better.
[06:02] <micahg> ScottK: done
[06:03]  * micahg is still learning :)
[06:04] <ScottK> micahg: No problem.  Approved.
[06:05] <ScottK> No it'll wait for an archive admin with appropriate access to process the backport and put it into karmic-backports
[06:12] <mannyv> fabrice_sp_, would you mark this grave,serious, or important?
[06:14] <fabrice_sp_> mannyv, important
[06:14] <fabrice_sp_> except if the default java is gcj
[06:23] <mannyv> fabrice_sp_, should I link the launchpad sync bug to the debian bugreport?
[06:23] <fabrice_sp_> hmmm, why not, yes
[06:41] <mannyv> fabrice_sp_, ok linked did you do that fakesyn with checkgmail ?
[06:41] <fabrice_sp_> mannyv, not yet: didn't had time :-)
[06:42] <fabrice_sp_> the only advantage of that fakesync is that it states clearly in the changelog that this package can be synced. Actually, both packages are identical, so no rush ;-)
[06:43] <mannyv> ok
[06:43] <mannyv> was just checking up on the packages ive touched and remembered that one. So i will stop worrying about that one and leave it in your hands =)
[06:44] <mannyv> and with that i am off to bed, gnight
[06:44] <fabrice_sp_> g'night
[06:52] <wrapster> if a pkg requires mercurial-common( >=1.3.0)  how do i add it to the control file .. can i just say mercurial-common or should i specify the version as well?
[06:52] <wrapster> and is specifiying the version just for understandability purposes or something else to it?
[06:54] <jmarsden> wrapster: It matters; specify the version if a particular version (or later) is needed, so the package will only install if such a version is available.
[06:57] <wrapster> so is this the way i specify it "mercurial-common (>= 1.3.0)"
[06:58] <jmarsden> Yes, that looks good to me.  lintian will complain if you mess it up :)
[09:00] <MTecknology> Amaranth: If you're still after bug 410407; i just changed the description to hopefully help new bug reporters catch that instead of reporting a dupe
[09:08] <micahg> \sh: are low prioirity bugs every SRUd for LTSs?
[09:09] <\sh> micahg, I don't know...I'm trying to avoid SRUs ;)
[09:09] <micahg> ah
[09:09] <\sh> micahg, btw...thx for the backport requests :)
[09:09] <micahg> ok
[09:09] <micahg> \sh: np
[09:10] <soren> micahg: If someone wants to work on them, sure.
[09:10] <micahg> ok
[09:10] <micahg> thanks soren
[09:24] <ajmitch> 444
[10:00] <timmi> hello, I have a question regarding dependencies:
[10:00] <timmi> My control file contains:
[10:00] <timmi> Depends: python-qscintilla2, python-qt4, ${python:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}
[10:00] <timmi> Recommends: pylint, python-scipy, python-numpy, python-matplotlib
[10:00] <timmi> Now, a user installing from my PPA reports:
[10:01] <timmi> [CODE]
[10:01] <timmi> Setting up python2.5-minimal (2.5.4-1ubuntu6) ...
[10:01] <timmi> Linking and byte-compiling packages for runtime python2.5...
[10:01] <timmi> /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/Onboard/KeyboardSVG.py:104: Warning:
[10:01] <timmi> 'with' will become a reserved keyword in Python 2.6
[10:01] <timmi> Compiling /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/Onboard/KeyboardSVG.py ...
[10:01] <timmi>   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/Onboard/KeyboardSVG.py", line
[10:01] <timmi> 104
[10:01] <timmi>     with open(pane_svg_filename) as svg_file:
[10:01] <timmi>             ^
[10:01] <timmi> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
[10:01] <timmi> [/CODE]
[10:01] <timmi> why do there errors with Python 2.5 arrise?
[10:02] <soren> Because you're using python2.6 specific language features.
[10:02] <soren> ...yet your package claims to work with 2.5.
[10:03] <POX> timmi: from __future__ import with_statement
[10:04] <timmi> the upstream source says that it works with Python (>= 2.5).
[10:04] <timmi> so what should I use?
[10:05] <POX> bump it to 2.6 or patch the code
[10:05] <timmi> Is 2.6 default in Karcmic?
[10:11] <timmi> is there a way I can upload a screenshot for my application?
[10:13] <DktrKranz> timmi: yes, 2.6 is default in Karmic, for screenshots: screenshots.debian.net
[10:14] <timmi> does screenshots.debian.net apply regardless where the application is hosted?
[10:14] <timmi> PPA, Ubuntu, Debian?
[10:16] <DktrKranz> it's relevant for Debian packages, which in turn are included in Ubuntu
[10:16] <timmi> and PPA packages?
[10:17] <DktrKranz> no, unless they're available in the archives already
[10:18] <DktrKranz> say, with a lower or different version than the PPA one
[10:21] <timmi> Is there any naming convention?
[10:21] <timmi> if the upstream packages is called: scikits.timeseries, how shall I name the Ubuntu package?
[10:21] <tsimpson> probably scikits-timeseries
[10:23] <DktrKranz> dot are allowed in package names as well
[10:23] <DktrKranz> *dots
[10:24] <tsimpson> looks horrible though imo
[10:24] <timmi> I noted that all python modules start with python-*
[10:25] <timmi> IS this the official way?
[10:25] <tsimpson> for python
[10:25] <DktrKranz> for Python packaging is having python-$modulename, so module zope.whatever has packagename python-zope.whatever
[10:26] <timmi> thanks. that helps.
[10:29] <timmi> How do I create packages from a SVN or BZR repos, how do I create the source distribution?
[10:29] <p3rror> is there any one experienced with snort
[10:29] <p3rror> all i need is to add a second sensor ?
[10:30] <timmi> just export the current status of the last revision and create a *.orig.tar.gz?
[10:43] <timmi> BTW, thanks a lot to this channel.
[10:43] <timmi> I could at least succed building all packages uploaded to the PPA
[10:43] <fatal^> hello, I see gupnp has been synced with debian in lucid.... any chance you could sync in the newly added package called rygel as well ? :)
[10:48] <randomaction> fatal^: it will be auto-synced from testing at some point
[10:53] <fatal^> randomaction: "at some point" means its triggered by a "randomaction" ? .... j/k.... thanks. :)
[10:54] <randomaction> by archive admins, I would say :)
[13:16] <LucidFox> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/geany/+bug/282972 <-- thoughts on this?
[13:17] <LucidFox> I don't think it was a good idea to unilaterally close the bug like this just because Geany isn't technically a GNOME application.
[13:21] <cyberix> How do I suggest something for inclusion in main?
[13:21] <slytherin> LucidFox: Ideally it should have x-terminal-emulator and not a specific app.
[13:21] <slytherin> !mir | cyberix
[13:21] <LucidFox> Works!
[13:30] <LucidFox> I think we need a more user-friendly application to manage alternatives. galternatives hasn't been updated for a long while, and its UI is hideous.
[13:33] <LucidFox> kalternatives seems to have been recently uploaded, though, I'll look at that one.
[13:39] <SevenMachines> qbittorrent fails to start with missing symbols on lucid but this is fixed with a simple rebuild, how do you go about that? does it need a version bump to request a rebuild?
[13:40] <ScottK> SevenMachines: It does.
[13:41] <SevenMachines> ok, thanks
[13:42] <slytherin> SevenMachines: Is there any urgency? It will eventually get version bump in lucid, won't it
[13:43] <LucidFox> Speaking of which
[13:43] <SevenMachines> i was wondering that, its the version synced from debian testing but there its still early days
[13:44] <SevenMachines> so theres no rush, best to just wait?
[13:44] <LucidFox> Well, even after it enters testing, there will still be some days before it gets autosynced.
[13:48] <SevenMachines> suppose might just do it anyway, allows people to test other bugs on it, and allows me to avoid doing the work i'm supposed to be doing which is not inspirational stuff on a friday :)
[13:50] <MenZa> For a lack of a better place to ask - do deb packages support localised meta data?
[13:50] <directhe`> MenZa, you mean translations of the info like the package description?
[13:50] <MenZa> yep
[13:51] <MenZa> I see it as being a pretty big issue for non-English speakers to use stuff like the software centre if they have to do that in a different language
[13:51] <MenZa> I've always wondered
[13:51] <directhe`> "kinda"
[13:51] <MenZa> That sounds pretty... shifty
[13:52] <directhe`> i'd talk to the debian-l10n guys
[13:52] <directhe`> er, debian-i18n
[13:52] <directhe`> same difference
[13:52] <directhe`> i agree with you, FWIW
[13:52] <MenZa> Hang on, I found *something*
[13:52] <directhe`> but they're the guys to discuss specifics with
[13:53] <MenZa> Basically, .po files can be included within the package?
[13:53] <Laney> there's a translation project in debian
[13:53] <Laney> for doing package descriptions
[13:53] <MenZa> hmm
[13:53] <joaopinto> MenZa, software center does use description translations, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/app-install-data-ubuntu
[13:53] <directhe`> Laney, i don't remember the implementation of consumers though
[13:53] <Laney> no, no idea how it works
[13:53] <Laney> but it must work somehow
[13:53] <MenZa> joaopinto: ah
[13:54] <MenZa> joaopinto: Excellent.
[13:55] <MenZa> Thanks :)
[14:58] <DerickH> can I download a minimal 10.04 cd somewhere?
[14:59] <moustafa> The first alpha for Lucid is set for December 10th
[14:59] <DerickH> ok
[14:59] <DerickH> thanks
[14:59] <DerickH> then there is also an minimal cd?
[15:00] <moustafa> There's the alternate installer, if that's what you mean
[15:00] <moustafa> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors#alternate
[15:01] <DerickH> I mean ubuntu minimal https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[15:02] <moustafa> Ah, it should be available when the alpha appears
[15:44] <LucidFox> "I'm busy with the university, at least until December 15. I'd like to improve the build system and, eventually, publish the program
[15:44] <LucidFox> on a hosting service (such as Google Code, Launchpad...): these are time consuming tasks, and they would break your package. "
[15:44] <LucidFox> Wow. An upstream actually concerned about breaking packages? :)
[15:47] <directhex> lies! no such creature exists!
[15:53] <siretart`> sorry, for not having announced that earlier, but I need to take
[15:53] <siretart`> spooky (the Host on which REVU is running) down until sunday
[15:53] <siretart`> the reason is maintenance on the power supply at the campus here
[15:56] <bddebian> dtchen: I'm going to start playing with sdl 1.2.14
[15:56] <siretart`> ajmitch: around? - see ^^
[17:25] <fabrice_sp_> Hi. Who should I ping to have motu access to  revu? RainCT ?
[17:26] <av`> fabrice_sp_, any REVU Admin listed on the REVU LP team
[17:27] <fabrice_sp_> ok. Will check. Thanks av` :-)
[17:27] <av`> np
[17:31] <RainCT> fabrice_sp_: Yeah. REVU is currently offline until Sunday, but feel free to ping me again once it's up and I'll change your permissions.
[17:31] <fabrice_sp_> ohh, right. Forgot about that. Thanks :-)
[17:41] <fabrice_sp_> anyone know of a script that download the Debian source giving him the name of the source package ?
[17:42] <RainCT> fabrice_sp_: pull-debian-source
[17:43] <fabrice_sp_> cool! Thanks again RainCT :-)
[17:45] <porthose> fabrice_sp_, pull-lp-source comes in handy also ;)
[17:45] <RainCT> Or you can add Debian to your sources.list and then use  apt-get source <pkgname> -t unstable
[17:46] <fabrice_sp_> ok. I'm trying to automate the sync request sponsoring, by unsubscribing u-u-s, subscribing myself to the bug, downloading the source from Debian and building it
[17:46] <fabrice_sp_> as of now, I'm able to do the lp part, and do manually the download (already has a script for building )
[18:02] <randomaction> I have a trivial script for this, which does mkdir; cd; pull-debian-source; pbuilder-dist
[18:04] <fabrice_sp__> pull-debian-source extract the dsc, that shouldn't be necessary in that case
[18:05] <fabrice_sp__> the fun part was to interact with lp ;-)
[18:05] <geser> I've also a small script to ACK sync-request (and do the subscribing/unsubscribing)
[18:06] <fabrice_sp__> so do I now :-)
[18:06] <fabrice_sp__> it's called ack-sync
[18:06] <geser> I called mine syncack :)
[18:07] <fabrice_sp__> I also have one called sponsor, that unsunscribe u-u-s, and subscribe myself, put as In progress, and put Whishlist
[18:10] <mannyv> my error of the day:  'sudo apt-get reboot
[18:10] <mannyv> '
[18:12] <fabrice_sp> :-) Could have been worst ;-)
[18:13] <mannyv> i found it pretty amusing
[19:01] <wattazoum> hello
[19:05] <wattazoum> Can anyone tell me if there is a way using dh_override (debhelper > 7.0.50) to handle multi package build including arch indep packages ?
[19:42] <ajmitch> siretart: ok, thanks for the warning :)
[20:55] <maxb> wattazoum: AFAIK, the best way is to use if [ `dh_listpackages` ....... in the shell commands of the override target
[20:57] <wattazoum> wow, someone answering ! Thank you very much maxb. I will look at it
[22:28] <PMantis> Where's the best place to ask about writing upstart jobs? can anyone here help?
[23:47] <strycore> hi all
[23:47] <dhillon-v10> strycore, hi :)
[23:48] <strycore> could somebody take a look at this bug ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/convertall/+bug/474341
[23:48] <strycore> I've send a patch to the maintainer but no fix has been released yet
[23:49] <strycore> it's been more than two weeks now
[23:50] <strycore> sorry, i didn't attach a clean debdiff , it's just a regular diff
[23:52] <strycore> oh, wgrant you're actually here :)


[02:40] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: So glad to see you back!!!
[02:41] <OvenWerks> :)
[02:41] <OvenWerks> no I havn't doen anything for a week.
[02:41] <OvenWerks> I could have I guess, but no access to do much
[02:43] <Eickmeyer> What happened? Last I saw you your client had timed-out.
[02:45] <OvenWerks> Our telco basically decied not to serve us any more.
[02:46] <OvenWerks> We were doing adsl through a second company beside the the teco who paid for use of their line
[02:47] <OvenWerks> the telco has changed all te phones in this area to fiber but left our inet on the copper... I guess the deal is, even though they promise adsl will not be effected, that after a while they "loose" the port and want $10 extra per month to get it back.
[02:47] <OvenWerks>  or $30 more per month to switch to fibre
[02:48] <OvenWerks> ... So we are now on cable and I expect our land line will go digital as well...
[03:09] <Eickmeyer> Oh, I see.
[03:11] <Eickmeyer> That's crazy, and not unlike a telco.
[03:11] <OvenWerks> well they were getting paid for two services... maybe none any more
[03:12] <OvenWerks> by the time we move away the gear they put in for the fibre may be too old to use too...
[03:13] <OvenWerks> course the telco may be gone first if they mess with too many people
[03:17] <Eickmeyer> Areound here all they do is pay off the government more and the government looks the other way.
[03:18] <OvenWerks> It looks like I can go digital (VoIP) for about the same cost for a year what I am paying per month right now.
[03:20] <OvenWerks> The one advantage the telco had (worked even with power otu) is now gone as the fibre end requires power.
[03:21] <OvenWerks> So I guess the cell phone is now emergency line anyway
[03:23] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yep, that's what we do.
[03:27] <OvenWerks> Now that my server is dhcp instead of pppoe might be a goos time to switch the server to the "new" box which is 64bit... instead of the P4
[03:28] <Eickmeyer[m]> Oooo, yeah, probably.
[03:29] <OvenWerks> new one is a two core Atom based board... not good for much else besides server anyway.
[03:43] <Eickmeyer[m]> Still 64 bit is better.
[03:44] <OvenWerks> The atom has 100m ethernet ports, I think the P4 has 10m NICs
[03:44] <OvenWerks> And our net work service is now more than 10m
[03:46] <OvenWerks> I'll check, downloading an ISO now :)
[03:52] <OvenWerks> hmm, maybe the old box has 100 M too
[03:57] <OvenWerks> This is about 10 times faster
[03:58] <OvenWerks> just so you know, my wife is away fro a few weeks and my son has surgery as well. My mind may well be else where.
[03:58] <OvenWerks> off and on.
[05:49] <Eickmeyer[m]> That's just fine. Feature freeze is a week from Sunday, so that's the deadline for the wacom stuff, otherwise we'll have to revert the commit(s) and go with what we've got. :/
[05:49] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: And, sorry for the silence, I was watching a movie with my family.
[05:49] <OvenWerks> NP


[02:57] <tsimonq2> I'm struggling a bit with this
[02:57] <tsimonq2> how would I trigger a code import using the Launchpad API and cURL?
[05:52] <pbek> Hi folks, is this error message I get via email anything to be concerned of? `Launchpad uploaded this snap package to the store, but the store failed to scan it: 404 Client Error: Not Found`
[14:45] <mop> hi all, please: what is the command that LP uses to convert git commit date to revtime entry in recipes ?


[18:06] <olychron> is there a review process for submissions to this site?
[18:18] <olychron> just curious how this community polices usage of brand out there in the world. anyone know?


[08:33] <Kilos> heehee hee
[08:34] <Kilos> hiya inetpro i have just installed aptoncd. hit me this morning
[08:34] <Kilos> hi superfly and everyone else
[08:35] <superfly> morning Kilos!
[08:35] <Kilos> hi charlvn are you the Charl in the lists
[08:36] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm...
[08:36] <Kilos> inetpro, dunno if its great minds think alike or fools never differ
[08:37] <inetpro> it is one of those apps that is no longer working so nicely on oneiric
[08:37]  * Kilos wonders if there isnt some file in update-manager that keeps record of what it has updated
[08:37] <inetpro> the restore part seems to be broken
[08:37] <Kilos> that sucks inetpro
[08:38] <Kilos> but with lots of help i will keep maverick alive and kicking here
[08:38] <Kilos> just need to get a maverick server cd
[08:38] <inetpro> but if you know how to put the repo into the sources.list you should be able to get by without the gui restore option
[08:39] <Kilos> i think restore still works on maverick
[08:39] <Kilos> will need to change drives to check
[08:39] <inetpro> try it out and let us know how it goes
[08:40] <Kilos> doing partitions as in the lpi course hampers me on the 6g drive
[08:40] <Kilos> rdyncing /var/cache/apt/archives fill the /root somehow
[08:41] <Kilos> and root is 3g
[08:41] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[08:41]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[08:41] <Kilos> i dont think ubuntu is a good distro to practise lpi on unless one has a large drive
[08:41] <Kilos> ooo
[08:42] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[08:42] <Maaz> Kilos: Done
[08:42] <inetpro> Kilos: the ideal solution would be to have a vm to play on
[08:42] <Kilos> Maaz, with cremora
[08:42] <Maaz> Ah! At last someone with taste
[08:42]  * inetpro lol
[08:43] <Kilos> Maaz, with milk
[08:43] <Maaz> Yay Kilos You aren't one of those skinny guys that needs to drink black coffee to cast a shadow
[08:43] <Kilos> i tried virual box here but wouldnt work inetpro
[08:43] <Kilos> the fly said pc no up to it
[08:45] <Kilos> was quite a laugh to do aptoncd then come online here and then be asked why im not using aptoncd
[08:45] <Kilos> hehe
[08:45] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!
[08:46] <Kilos> Maaz, thank you so much kind bot
[08:46] <Maaz> Kilos: my pleasure
[08:59] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie oom
[08:59] <Maaz> inetpro: Sorry...
[09:04] <Kilos> hah
[09:04] <Kilos> hes a young bot
[09:06] <Kilos> i go try aptoncd restore on 6g. be good guys
[10:38] <Kilos> inetpro, with a new installed os, you put the aptoncd cd in the cdrom/dvdrom and it should bring up a window that asks if it can open with package manager. tick ja then it will open synaptic package manager. tick mark all upgrades which here was 356m worth then tick apply and its all done
[10:39] <Kilos> im on the 6g now
[10:40] <inetpro> Kilos: easy yes if you burn the aptoncd to a cd/dvd but not quite so simple if you just copy the iso from one system to another
[10:40] <Kilos> i plugged in the external and went packsM and then installed xchat-common lib sexy and xchat with the software centre with no internet connected
[10:41] <Kilos> oh no you gotta burn the cd
[10:41]  * inetpro can't remember when last I burnt a cd
[10:41] <Kilos> thats why its called aptoncd not apt from iso
[10:42] <Kilos> hehe
[10:42] <inetpro> Kilos: that is where the apt-move thing would be perfect for me
[10:42] <inetpro> just one simple command and no gui
[10:43]  * inetpro loves simplicity
[10:43] <inetpro> will have to figure how we can get that thing working again
[10:43] <Kilos> yay then you can tell me sometime what command to use. i have read it over and over but as you know i sukkel some with converting man pages to the actual deed
[10:44] <Kilos> lol not simple for me
[10:44] <Kilos> i put it in a mail to charl this morning
[10:45] <Kilos> there is a link to the man page with some more in the explanation
[10:45] <Kilos> will chat later, gonna go off 6g again
[10:46] <Kilos> but looks like if apt-move works like aptoncd then with those 2 i should be able to use maverick foreeeeever
[10:49]  * Kilos deserves a cuppa
[10:49] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[10:49]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[10:50] <Kilos> dLimit, you the ols squire?
[10:50] <Kilos> *old
[10:51] <dLimit> Lol yes Kilos
[10:52] <Kilos> whew something i membered
[10:53] <Kilos> drussell, are you on our mailing list?
[10:53] <Kilos> good morning
[10:53] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[10:53] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[10:53] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[10:53] <drussell> Kilos: hmm don't think so.... /me see's the url in the channel subject
[10:53] <drussell> sees even
[10:53] <drussell> Kilos: will subscribe :o)
[10:53] <drussell> Kilos: morning btw :o)
[10:53] <Kilos> lol you at canonical hey?
[10:54] <Kilos> hi darksurferza
[10:54] <darksurferza> hi
[10:54] <drussell> Kilos: yup, just got back from a few days in Denmark visiting a partner, back home now ;o)
[10:55] <Kilos> drubin, how much influence do you have with the big nobs
[10:55] <darksurferza> interesting. been a unix fan boy for well over 7 years now and this is the first time i am connecting to this channel
[10:55] <Kilos> wow darksurferza thats a while
[10:55] <Kilos> you never needed help?
[10:56] <darksurferza> needed lots of help
[10:56] <darksurferza> just never found this channel before
[10:56] <Kilos> this is the place to get it
[10:57] <darksurferza> cool. noted
[10:57] <Kilos> you shoulda started with the za mailing list for help and someone would have told you about #ubuntu-za
[10:57] <darksurferza> i assume the topic is all thing ubuntu?
[10:57] <Kilos> mainly yes
[10:57] <Kilos> and sometimes hows things onna farm
[10:57] <darksurferza> cool
[10:58] <darksurferza> lol
[10:58] <drussell> Kilos: hehe some... but not loads ;o)
[10:58] <inetpro> darksurferza: welcome to #ubuntu-za
[10:58] <Kilos> i think one get help here with most linux probs because some of the guys try everything
[10:59] <darksurferza> well, anyone know where i can get some good reading on linux kernel and package developement?
[10:59] <darksurferza> looking for some ubuntu and gnome specific docs if possible
[10:59] <Kilos> drussell, how would i go about asking them to keep just the maverick update function alive forever
[11:00] <Kilos> darksurferza, have you tried google
[11:00] <Kilos> Maaz, google ;inux kernel developement
[11:00] <Kilos> eish
[11:00] <inetpro> Kilos: talk to sabdfl and friends at #ubuntu-meeting
[11:00] <Maaz> Kilos: "Linux Kernel Development: Getting Started" http://www.xenotime.net/linux/mentor/linux-mentoring.pdf :: "Linux Kernel Newbies" http://kernelnewbies.org/ :: "Linux kernel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel :: "The Linux Kernel Archives" http://www.kernel.org/ :: "Linux Kernel Development - Google Code" http://stid.googlecode.com/files/Linux.Kernel.Development.3rd.Edition.pdf :: "Linux Kernel
[11:01] <Kilos> will try them ty inetpro
[11:01] <darksurferza> tried. looking for someone to say: "i've tried this and it is good", as apposed to me trying everything until my will to live is exhausted
[11:01] <inetpro> Kilos: or try the #ubuntu-community-team
[11:01] <Kilos> lol darksurferza see the above links
[11:02] <darksurferza> thanks for the links. anyone tried and aprove them? or is this the "this should be good source"?
[11:02] <Kilos> or be patient here, someone will give you the right info
[11:03]  * inetpro goes back to work some more
[11:03] <Kilos> Maaz, google linux package developement
[11:03] <Maaz> Kilos: "Software Development on Linux" http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialSoftwareDevelopment.html :: "Linux C++ Software Development" http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialC++.html :: "Linux - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux :: "Debian Linux Install GNU GCC Compiler and Development ..." http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-linux-install-gnu-gcc-compiler/ :: "CentOS Linux Install Core D
[11:03] <inetpro> wbbl
[11:03] <Kilos> enjoy inet ty again
[11:04] <Kilos> darksurferza, we have a guy here who is on the ubuntu dev team so he should be able to point you in the right direction
[11:05] <Kilos> hes not actively online at the mo tho
[11:05] <drussell> Kilos: hmm, it's really unlikely, what's the reason you'd want that?
[11:05] <darksurferza> oh, crud, was just about to send an UPPERCASE broadcast asking politely for ubuntu dev guys to make themselves known...
[11:06] <Kilos> drussell, my pc cant do unity and i dont have data to do all the updating and installing of new stuff
[11:07] <darksurferza> anyway, these resources should fill in all the free time i have between working, studying, and brewing beer at home
[11:07] <Kilos> drussell, there must be many peeps out there with older pcs
[11:07] <darksurferza> tasty past time might i add
[11:07] <Kilos> lol
[11:07] <drussell> Kilos: can't handle unity2d either?
[11:08] <Kilos> drussell, i tried 11.04 and had so many hassles that i came back to maverick which works great here
[11:09] <darksurferza> Well i have a samsung netbook with the bear minimum amount of ram and unity 2d works fine.
[11:09] <darksurferza> what problem are you having?
[11:09] <drussell> Kilos: hmm, unity2d has improved a lot, and to be honest, either that, or something even lighter like xfce is going to be the best way for you to go
[11:09] <Kilos> and i have all my archives saved so can do clean installs if necessary without breaking the bank
[11:10] <drussell> Kilos: at least when 12.04 comes out you can keep it running for 5 years on the desktop ;o)
[11:10] <drussell> Kilos: yeah, the data is tricky...
[11:10] <Kilos> i tried xubuntu drussell but not my cuppa
[11:10] <Kilos> i love gnome
[11:11] <drussell> Kilos: unfortunately, gnome 2.x is slipping away into a coma never to return
[11:11] <Kilos> yes drussell but if i have everything saved here i should be able to go on indefinitely with maverick
[11:12] <drussell> Kilos: you can, but the updates will stop and there will be no security fixes
[11:12] <Kilos> its just with a clean install that first sudo apt-get update thats needed
[11:13] <drussell> Kilos: both for canonical and the community, it's just too much work to support non lts releases for any longer than their scheduled lifetime
[11:13] <darksurferza> Kilos, you tried enlightenment or even window maker?
[11:14] <drussell> Kilos: also we can't really support something long term when the upstream has died, we'd need to do all the engineering work ourselves (canonical+community_
[11:14] <drussell> darksurferza: I love enlightenment, I try it out once every few years :o)
[11:15] <drussell> darksurferza: http://bodhilinux.com/
[11:15] <darksurferza> me too, but then KDE comes along with shiny buttons, and now unity (that actually works)
[11:16] <darksurferza> soz, unity made me do a kde remix for the 10.X releases
[11:16] <darksurferza> the bodhi release is awesome, just a little maturing, then i will switch.
[11:17] <darksurferza> (ok, a lot of matuirng)
[11:17] <Kilos> drussell, does update not just show my OS what is available
[11:17] <Kilos> like existing packages
[11:18] <Kilos> darksurferza, no data to spare for other goodies
[11:18] <Kilos> use mobile broadband donations to keep going
[11:18] <drussell> Kilos: you could order/get a CD from a magazine for 12.04 to at least try it, then start with updates fom 12.04 onwards?
[11:20] <Kilos> drussell, i am sure one of the guys will supply me with a cd but then its 100s of megs data again
[11:20] <darksurferza> oh, if bodhi really wants to be cool, then they should allow people to click on the "desktop of the week" and make their desktop like that. ie, bundle it as a theme/package bundle?
[11:20] <darksurferza> kilos, what data plan are you on? maybe a switch?
[11:21] <Kilos> pay as you go
[11:21] <darksurferza> which provider?
[11:22] <Kilos> vodacom or 8ta
[11:23] <drussell> darksurferza: you're right, that would be a stunning feature
[11:23] <drussell> Kilos: have you heard of debdelta?
[11:23] <darksurferza> crud, vodacom has the most expensive data at the moment. is the 8ta 10Gb deal not an option?
[11:25] <darksurferza> drussel, is that like the fedora package delta thing? think its called presto or something
[11:26] <Kilos> nope drussell what is that
[11:27] <drussell> darksurferza: yup
[11:27] <drussell> Kilos: it's a method of just downloading the diffs on updates, rather than whole updates
[11:27] <drussell> Kilos: it's not mainstream in ubuntu yet
[11:27] <drussell> Kilos: but sounds perfect for what you're facing...
[11:28] <drussell> Kilos: so instead of a libreoffice update needing to download 100's of MB, it just downloads the differences between the package you have, and the update
[11:28] <drussell> Kilos: recombines them on your machine, and applies the update
[11:29] <drussell> Kilos: bit of an old link, but good summary https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-in/2009-September/006049.html
[11:29] <Kilos> will look at it ty drussell
[11:30] <Kilos> i dont even use office. just xchat pidgin and mail
[11:32] <Kilos> and epiphany for the odd link
[11:34] <darksurferza> kilos, have you looked at http://www.8ta.co.za/plans/2gbpromo/
[11:35] <darksurferza> 149 zars for 3 Gbs
[11:35] <darksurferza> well, 2 + 1
[11:35] <darksurferza> if you're on the 8ta network (not roaming on mtn)
[11:36] <Kilos> roams here i think
[11:37] <Kilos> darksurferza, some of the guys are doing lpi Q+A classes if you interested
[11:37] <Kilos> you young hey?
[11:38] <darksurferza> crums. well then R149 for 2 Gb then. should cover a full download and updates
[11:38] <darksurferza> young... that is relative
[11:38] <Kilos> haha
[11:38] <Kilos> relative to what
[11:39] <darksurferza> young when compared to Nelson Mandela, or young when compared to Justin Bieber?
[11:40] <darksurferza> Anyway, i dont think we need to be bias on the grounds of age. I am "young", and interested in the LPI. who, where, how much
[11:40] <Kilos> free
[11:40] <Kilos> Maaz, lpi manual
[11:40] <Maaz> http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/lpi-study-manual
[11:41] <Kilos> i need to be on my other drive to give you the other info
[11:41] <darksurferza> sweet
[11:41] <darksurferza> when, how.... etc?
[11:41] <Kilos> join the sa mailing lists
[11:41] <Kilos> i will be back now now
[11:42] <Kilos> just installed here to use this drive for practising on
[11:46] <darksurferza> surprised I dont see mark clarke on here (@mxc4). He is quite the linux zeolot.  I got a VPS in the UK and can offer hosting if need be. maybe ask the hoster to give me a shout next time we are both online
[11:51] <darksurferza> at home, xirc. right now, one of those internet irc proxy things.
[11:52] <Kilos> arent you using ubutnu
[11:52] <Kilos> windows
[11:54] <darksurferza> windows and linux at work, and linux at home. corperate software suite determines my work OS.
[11:54] <superfly> My VPS is currently experiencing some issues. I'm currently looking into them.
[11:54] <superfly> Also, MediaWiki needs some serious optimisation.
[11:55] <Kilos> darksurferza, superfly is our resident python expert
[11:55] <Kilos> will be giving python after the lpi course is done
[11:55] <darksurferza> superfly, cool. If you need a hosting partner, just shout, my honeypots can be put to more effective use....
[11:57] <superfly> darksurferza: it's usually OK, just something seems to be up with my VPS at the moment... probably one of the Django apps *grrr*
[11:57] <darksurferza> no issues. Invitation stands for the forseable future.
[11:58] <superfly> seems to be a little better now
[12:00] <darksurferza> yip. whats with the 2c3d at the top of http://linux-studies.za.net/wiki/Linux_Studies:Current_events ?
[12:00] <darksurferza> oh, and the floating zero on the right hand side?
[12:00] <darksurferza> sorry, other right.... :(
[12:01] <Kilos> hehe
[12:01] <superfly> it's probably kbmonkey trying to embed a Google Calendar
[12:01] <superfly> he asked me to install some extension the other day
[12:03] <Kilos> darksurferza, here is the study groups mail addy
[12:03] <Kilos><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:04] <darksurferza> just subscribed now.
[12:05] <Kilos> you might need to wait for the second site verification mail
[12:05] <Kilos> its a manual accept
[12:05] <darksurferza> used the blank email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>option. trying to keep all my subs in one mailbox.
[12:07] <Kilos> nice meeting you darksurferza ill be back tonight\
[12:07] <Kilos> later all
[12:44] <inetpro> hmm...
[12:46]  * inetpro wonders why kilos ignored drussell about the 8ta suggestions
[12:46] <inetpro> think he may have missed it in between other talk
[12:46] <drussell> inetpro: not my suggestions, but yeah, darksurferza had some good ideas
[12:47] <drussell> inetpro: I'd hate to be stuck at the end of such a low bandwidth/expensive link :o(
[12:47]  * drussell is lucky enough to have 100MBit fibre to his home
[12:48] <inetpro> yikes!
[12:48] <inetpro> drussell: that is very unfair
[12:48] <inetpro> :-(
[12:49] <drussell> inetpro: went to a hotel in Taipei... had gigabit internet... I could literally download from fast local mirrors at 1000mbit
[12:49] <drussell> inetpro: now that's insane
[12:50]  * inetpro goes back to work, sulking
[12:51] <inetpro> to be honest I think kilos needs that 10gig subscription from 8ta
[12:51] <inetpro> even myself I need it
[12:51] <inetpro> the sad part about it is that it is for a fixed 24 months
[12:51]  * inetpro hates contracts
[12:52] <tumbleweed> superfly: hrm, the ubuntu-za website DB is at 77MB
[12:52] <inetpro> tumbleweed: what!?
[12:53] <inetpro> what would be taking up 77MB?
[12:57] <darksurferza> gentle-peeps, I must be off to bottle beers, If all goes well, and we (physically) cross paths again, free beer at the crossing.... :)
[12:57] <tumbleweed> inetpro: I'm guessing spam:P
[12:58] <inetpro> must be
[12:59] <tumbleweed> 19MB of comments, 14MB of sessinos
[12:59] <drussell> darksurferza: sounds like a plan ;o)
[13:00] <darksurferza> drussell, you in JHB?
[13:03] <darksurferza> crud, must be off. Chat another time. cheers
[13:04] <drussell> darksurferza: nope UK
[13:04] <drussell> darksurferza: cu!
[14:45] <Kilos> whats ubuntu calistoga
[14:47] <Kilos> gou maak inetpro storm kom
[14:51] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[14:51]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[14:52] <Kilos> Maaz, and grandpas
[14:52] <Maaz> Try hitting your head against a brick wall Kilos
[14:55] <Kilos> Maaz, hurry
[14:55] <Maaz> Making decent coffee is an art Kilos and should never be rushed
[14:55] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[14:55] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[14:55] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[14:56] <Kilos> Maaz, later
[14:56] <Maaz> Chow for now Kilos See you soon
[18:03] <Kilos> evening guys and gal
[18:09] <Kilos> inetpro, hierdie kan baie spaar as ons dit kan opstel
[18:09] <Squirm> hello
[18:09] <Kilos> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-in/2009-September/006049.html
[18:09] <Kilos> illl paste what i did can someone check if its right please
[18:10] <Kilos> hiya Squirm
[18:11] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s21NQTKgVe
[18:11] <Kilos> slexy is flying tonight
[18:11] <Kilos> drussell, that looks like a winner for mobile broadband users
[18:11] <Kilos> ty
[18:12] <drussell> Kilos: yvw
[18:12] <Kilos> hope it does the same with linux kernels and headers
[18:13] <Kilos> hi frozty_sa long time no see
[18:15] <Kilos> hehe
[18:38] <Kilos> drussell, are you from here before
[18:38] <Kilos> another nick maybe
[18:38] <drussell> yup, it's me, am at a hotel with crap wifi, so seems to keep dropping
[18:38] <Kilos> hi sakhi_
[18:39] <Kilos> peeps complain all over the world about hotels wifi
[18:39] <drussell> Kilos: yup it works the same way for kernels and headers also
[18:39] <Kilos> wow drussell that will save a fortune
[18:40] <drussell> Kilos: I actually met the main developer last year http://mennucc1.debian.net/ @ UDS
[18:40] <Kilos> like i have blocked the last 210m of upgrades
[18:40] <Kilos> blocked/stopped
[18:41] <Kilos> why didnt you tell me this 2 years ago
[18:42] <drussell> Kilos: hehe didn't know you then ;o)
[18:42] <Kilos> does one just change the last bit in that conf file
[18:42] <Kilos> hehe
[18:43] <Kilos> and i think we can get past that update bit with aptoncd
[18:44] <Kilos> nuvolari, lewe jy nog?
[18:46] <Kilos> Maaz, announce 5 days to our monthly meet hey guys
[18:46] <Maaz> Announcement from Kilos! 5 days to our monthly meet hey guys
[19:19] <Kilos> Squirm, you still using broadband mobile
[19:19] <Kilos> ?
[19:20] <Squirm> work internet :)
[19:20] <Kilos> at home?
[19:20] <Squirm> mmhmm
[19:20] <Kilos> lekker to have work internet hey
[19:22] <Squirm> yeah
[19:22] <Squirm> live on the property
[19:22] <Squirm> uncapped 4mb line
[19:22] <Kilos> great
[19:22] <Kilos> wonderful,
[19:28] <Kilos> inetpro, ping
[19:43] <Kilos> me gotta crash. night all
[19:43] <Kilos> Maaz, cheers
[19:43] <Maaz> May the force be with you Kilos
[19:43] <Kilos> hehe


[11:23] <filisko> guys, is there a way to change the background color of lubuntu icons when they are selected?
[11:23] <filisko> so, the background of the text
[11:23] <filisko> which is blue usually I think
[11:23] <filisko> lubuntu's blue :))
[11:24] <sgo11> hi, my lxpanel's input method, bluetooth, wireless, volume icons are not using my icon theme. I don't know what icons are they using. how can I change those icons? thanks a lot.
[11:32] <leszek> filisko: should be using the gtk3 selection color. So changing the theme can help here
[11:33] <leszek> sgo11: hard to tell. Your icon theme might be not complete or missing those icons.
[11:36] <sgo11> leszek, I am using Paper icon theme. They have all that icons in /usr/share/icons/Paper/24x24/panel/. I have no idea how lxpanel panel config file works and which icons are they looking at. I can not find any useful information online by google.
[11:37] <sgo11> to solve this issue, 1, if I can provide custom icon in the panel config file. something like config { icon = /path/a.svg }. 2, if I know which icon file they are using, i can simply put those icon files to the desired destination locations. but I can not find any docs about this.
[11:37] <leszek> 1st don't use google. 2nd usually no doc mention this.
[11:38] <leszek> most of the items in the panel use the icon provided by the application itself
[11:38] <leszek> so network-manager uses whatever is defined as default icon in its code
[11:38] <leszek> no way to change that besides switching the icon theme itself
[11:39] <leszek> the same goes for plugin items of the panel itself. They use the default theme icons
[11:39] <leszek> If you want to know which icons exactly take a look at the source code of lxpanel
[11:42] <sgo11> leszek, I am checking the config file "~/.config/lxpanel/Lubuntu/panels/panel" file. and the input method seems to be the line "Plugin { type = tray }". I have no idea how to check which application this is... why doesn't lxde/openbox/lxpanel have a doc? this is kinda unbelievable.
[11:48] <leszek> sgo11: the closest to a documentation you can find here http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXPanel
[11:49] <leszek> though it might be outdated
[11:49] <leszek> in general I never saw a documentation for any tool mentioning the icon names it uses from the default theme
[11:52] <sgo11> leszek, I read that page already. It doesn't really mention which icon those indicators are using...
[13:33] <sgo11> I changed the lxpanel background color to be solid black. but the task bar fonts are all black too. I can not change the task bar font colors. how to do that? I did change Global { fontcolor=#ffffff }, but it does nothing.
[13:35] <sgo11> How to change focused task color and unfocused task color in the taskbar too? I can't do anything with lxpanel...
[13:49] <swift110> hey all
[13:51] <leszek> sgo11: this depends on the gtk theme. So you need to adapt the gtk theme either globally for buttons or only for the lxpanel itself. See the wikipage it has some instructions linked for gtk theming
[13:54] <sgo11> leszek, thanks. so the lxpanel is not really using that one config file, instead, I have to config gtk theme too. Currently, I am using the nightmare theme which only has one directory called "openbox-3". it does not have index.theme file and gtk-2.0 etc.. I have no idea which gtk theme I am using now...
[14:11] <leszek> sgo11: a normal config file. I don't know any other desktop not using the themes for that purposes
[14:12] <leszek> sgo11: you can see what gtk theme you are using in the appearance settings
[14:13] <sgo11> leszek, do you mean lxappearance app? thanks.
[14:13] <leszek> yeah exactly
[14:14] <sgo11> leszek, thanks.
[14:54] <sgo11> After changing gtk theme, the width of "menu" and "clock" in the lxpanel is not correct. It only shows half of the text. the menu means the start menu in the left corner. I did google. I haven't found how to fix this issue in gtkrc file. Do anyone know? thanks a lot.
[19:46] <lopta> Is it possible to have UK English as my language of choice but with a US keyboard layout?
[19:46] <lopta> ...or are those two things bound somehow?
[19:54] <krytarik> lopta: Yes, those aren't tied.
[19:59] <lopta> Thanks krytarik
[20:58] <lopta> Will Lubuntu know or care if I take it out of one 32-bit PC and put it into another one?
[21:00]  * lopta tries it
[21:01] <wxl> lopta: you mean move the drive?
[21:06] <lopta> wxl: Yes.
[21:06] <wxl> lopta: oh yeah, linux generally doesn't care.
[21:06] <wxl> lopta: you might run into some graphics issues but even those are easily resolved.
[21:06] <lopta> I just tried it. It didn't work but I may have used a 64-bit image for the first machine, even though it only has 1G RAM
[21:07] <wxl> lopta: yeah, 64 bit will NOT work on a 32 bit machine. vice versa is fine.
[21:07] <lopta> The second machine definitely isn't amd64-capable.
[21:07] <lopta> ...so that's understandable.
[21:07] <Kamilion> lopta: yeah, ubuntu's totally fine with hardware moves as long as the hardware supports it.
[21:07] <Kamilion> lopta: there's also some tricks to go from 64bit to 32bit if needed
[21:07] <lopta> Kamilion: That's useful to know, thanks.
[21:08] <Kamilion> it requires a partial reinstall
[21:08] <Kamilion> dump your currently installed list of packages, a copy of your /etc, and your /home
[21:09] <Kamilion> the packages are the only thing that determine 64bitness or 32bitness, the configuration files are agnostic, as well as the contents of user homedirs
[21:10] <Kamilion> 32bit'll run everywhere, currently. It supports basic PAE and should handle 64bit machines with up to 64GB of ram.
[21:11] <wxl> you can do 64 -> 32 with multiarch but yeah there's a fair amount of work that needs to be done to make it work "right"
[21:12] <lopta> For "Severity" would I put "trivial" or "feature"?
[21:12] <wxl> hm?
[21:14] <Kamilion> Reporting a bug?
[21:15] <lopta> Oh you know what, that's for a totally different channel! :-)
[21:18] <lopta> The Lubuntu question sprang to mind because that's what was on the disk. The PR/bug was for something else entirely.


[04:23] <DasKreech> Anyone uses Blogilo? I can't add a blog
[04:51] <Kolia> DasKreech: i did use it, and never got a problem. has it ever worked for you?
[04:53] <clashingwave> Hello all I'm running Kubuntu 11.04 with kde 4.7.1 And I can't get kubuntu to auto connect to my 5G Connection on my router but it auto connects to the 2.5G connection just fine at start up, is there a way to fix this?
[04:54] <DasKreech> Kolia: No that's what's annoying
[04:57] <Kolia> DasKreech: does blogilo manage to retrieve the existing blog posts from your blog?
[04:57] <DasKreech> Nope
[04:57] <DasKreech> It doesn't even add the entry in the list of blogs
[04:57] <DasKreech>  it pretends to but then doesn't do anythign
[04:58] <Kolia> what kind of blog is it?
[04:58] <Kolia> wordpress?
[04:59] <Kolia> i just tried again: i add my blog information and click "autoconfigure" and it found the xml-rpc interface page, and after clicking ok, i can see it retrieved all the existing posts, in the right column
[05:02] <Kolia> DasKreech: but when you say blog, do u mean "blog" or "blog post" ?
[05:02] <DasKreech> Blog
[05:02] <DasKreech> not a post
[05:02] <DasKreech> The blogID
[05:03] <Kolia> ok
[05:03] <Kolia> is it a wordpress blog?
[05:04] <Kolia> it's blogilo 1.0.1 here
[05:14] <DasKreech> It's umm
[05:14] <DasKreech> Livejournal
[05:14] <DasKreech> Blogger 1.0 API
[05:17] <Kolia> yeah.. it's supposed to be supported.. is something detected when you click "auto-configure"?
[05:21] <Kolia> DasKreech: have you tried to enter directly the url to the blogger API of ur site?
[05:21] <Kolia> DasKreech: http://www.livejournal.com/support/faqbrowse.bml?faqid=218
[05:21] <DasKreech> Yes
[05:22] <Kolia> could it be restricted to only paid accounts in livejournal?
[05:22] <DasKreech> Oh
[05:22] <DasKreech> never thought of that
[05:22] <DasKreech> hmm >_>
[05:22] <DasKreech> ok thanks
[05:23] <Kolia> + http://www.livejournal.com/doc/server/ljp.csp.blogger.html
[05:23] <Kolia> DasKreech: "experimental and alpha, and will not be developped further" really sounds like "not supported" to me  ^^
[05:24] <DasKreech> Bleah
[05:24] <DasKreech> ok I'll try huntit down thanks for pointing that out
[05:24] <Kolia> yw
[07:47] <ct529> hi there! I have a problem .... when I press an email link in firefox kmail does not open. Why? kde 471 on kubuntu1104 64 bit.
[07:47] <ahox> When I run dicomscope I get an /usr/lib/libdcmtls.so.2: undefined symbol: _ZTI22DcmTransportConnection - any ideas?
[08:03] <ct529> hi there! I have a problem .... when I press an email link in firefox kmail does not open. Why? kde 471 on kubuntu1104 64 bit.
[08:44] <ct529> hi there! I have a problem .... when I press an email link in firefox kmail does not open. Why? kde 471 on kubuntu1104 64 bit.
[08:46] <valorie> ct529: have you set the default email client in systemsettings?
[08:47] <valorie> you may have to do it in FF as well
[08:47] <valorie> whatever
[09:19] <noaXess> hey
[09:20] <noaXess> updating my packages to latest has stopped at installing/upgrading libkdewebkit5.... since 10 mins no any progres.. :(.. any idea? wait? kill and do it over konsole?
[09:23] <noaXess> see here: http://i.imgur.com/LUeCj.png
[09:25] <noaXess> still no progress.. still same situation..
[09:30] <noaXess> done.. killed and runed it manually..
[09:40] <valorie> oh good lord kpackagekit!
[09:40] <valorie> muon good
[09:40] <valorie> kpk bad
[09:40] <valorie> apt good too
[09:54] <tonymc> i like both
[10:55] <ct529> hi guys. I would like to reset of my kde (471 on kubuntu 1104), without removing kamil and kontact configuration of course, or loosing local emails
[11:17] <naftilos76> Hi, i have noticed that when i respond to any received email (kmail), the text of the body contains more newline characters that the original message sent. Is this a known bug or a setting ?
[11:51] <hulk1> hello :)
[11:52] <hulk1> i know this isnt a channel for IRC problems anyway i have a question :)
[11:52] <hulk1> i always get Unknown: ERROR Closing Link: <IP_ADDRESS> (*** Banned (cache)) when i try to connect to efnet !?
[11:55] <hulk1> i honestly dont get what this means and why that would happen :/
[11:57] <shadeslayer> hulk1: if you're using quassel, you could ask on #quassel
[11:57] <shadeslayer> and that error suggests you were banned
[11:58] <hulk1> oh okay will ask in #quassel then thanks
[11:59] <hulk1> its just strange because i only did chat on some channels
[12:09] <BluesKaj> hiyas
[12:09] <blwesse> hi
[13:21] <enrique17> hi hi...
[14:32] <noaXess> does anybody use kate with regular expression search and replace?
[14:33] <noaXess> i got the regex to search the pattern.. but need replace the pattern with itself and some additional caracters..
[15:09] <marchack> ciao
[16:29] <ct529> hi!
[16:30] <ct529> I would like to reset completely my kde, but not the configuration of kmail, kontact and kwallet. How do I do that?
[16:30] <ct529> kde 471 on kubuntu 1104
[16:40] <mah454> I removed KDE panel ! How can create panel with console ?
[16:41] <rork> mah454: I don't know that but can't you just right click the desktop and do "add panel"?
[16:41] <Kottizen> mah454: right click on the desktop and then add a new one
[16:41] <Kottizen> preferably the default panel
[16:41] <mah454> ok ok ok ....
[16:41] <mah454> find it ... :D
[16:42] <mah454> Why in KDE-4.7 can not enable Virtual Desktops ? Pager widgate not work !
[16:49] <Alantas> Try right-clicking the Pager, and there should be something to the effect of "Configure virtual desktops".
[16:50] <Alantas> Failing that, System Settings → Desktop → Multiple Desktops. (At least, so it is in mine.)
[18:05] <alexander__> hello
[18:05] <alexander__> I need help
[18:05] <bazhang> with what
[18:06] <alexander__> bug in kubuntu 11.10
[18:06] <bazhang> #ubuntu+1 please
[18:06] <alexander__> that means?
[18:06] <TheEvilPhoenix> alexander__:  /join #ubuntu+1
[18:07] <TheEvilPhoenix> !11.10 > alexander__
[18:07] <bazhang> alexander__, /join #ubuntu+1
[18:41] <phoenix_firebrd> I am having a problem
[18:42] <genii-around> A general problem or a specific problem?
[18:42] <phoenix_firebrd> specific
[18:42] <genii-around> !details
[18:42] <phoenix_firebrd> genii-around: i am getting headaches when i see microsoft windows
[18:43] <genii-around> phoenix_firebrd: Interesting symptoms... But I'm not sure it's an issue Kubuntu support can really help with !
[18:44] <phoenix_firebrd> genii-around: he he
[18:44] <OerHeks> phoenix_firebrd, i think you have bug 1
[18:45] <phoenix_firebrd> OerHeks: i was joking, i uninstalled microsoft windows 3 years back :)
[18:45] <OerHeks> ah oke, i switched in 12-2009
[18:45] <phoenix_firebrd> genii-around: genii-around: The actual problem is i am not sure if vdpau is working, 1080p videos not playing properly in vlc
[18:45] <phoenix_firebrd> OerHeks: good
[18:46] <phoenix_firebrd> genii-around: using proprietary drivers
[18:47] <genii-around> phoenix_firebrd: Is your card on the supported list found here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU
[18:49] <phoenix_firebrd> genii-around: what is the switch for mplayer to use vdpau as output?
[18:51] <phoenix_firebrd> previously i was using xbmc, right now it is not available , since i am using 11.10, please don't ask me to use the ubuntu+1 channel, my problem is a general one
[18:54] <genii-around> phoenix_firebrd: I think -vo vdpau
[18:54] <phoenix_firebrd> genii-around: i will try that
[19:00] <phoenix_firebrd> genii-around: http://paste.kde.org/129217/
[19:03] <genii-around> phoenix_firebrd: Looks like you need a faster computer.
[19:03] <phoenix_firebrd> genii-around: my card is 9400 gt, it worked fine in xbmc in 11.04
[19:04] <phoenix_firebrd> genii-around: how do i know if the vdpau driver is working?
[19:04] <genii-around> phoenix_firebrd: If it wasn't working, mplayer would have complained it was not a known output
[19:05] <phoenix_firebrd> genii-around: ok
[19:05] <phoenix_firebrd> genii-around: buggy driver?
[19:07] <genii-around> phoenix_firebrd: Conceivable. Did you try some of the options it lists? It might be the hd just can't stream the file that fast. I'd try the -cache 8192
[19:08] <phoenix_firebrd> genii-around:tried the -nocache option, i will try your suggestion now
[19:09] <phoenix_firebrd> genii-around: no good
[19:10] <phoenix_firebrd> i will smplayer
[19:10] <phoenix_firebrd> genii-around: have you tried 11.10?
[19:13] <genii-around> phoenix_firebrd: That's what I'm currently running, with kubuntu ppa. I also have project-neon desktop but use the regular one more.
[19:14] <phoenix_firebrd> genii-around: nice
[19:14] <genii-around> phoenix_firebrd: Have you tried vlc ?
[19:15] <phoenix_firebrd> genii-around: vlc was the first , issue
[19:15] <phoenix_firebrd> genii-around: smplayer seems to play better
[19:15] <genii-around> Ah, OK
[19:15] <phoenix_firebrd> genii-around: but the cpu is still high
[19:17] <phoenix_firebrd> genii-around: think my problem is solved
[19:17] <phoenix_firebrd> genii-around: mplayer is using only 6% of my cpu
[19:17] <phoenix_firebrd> genii-around: pulseaudio is using 9% he he
[19:17] <phoenix_firebrd> genii-around: thanks buddy
[19:18] <genii-around> phoenix_firebrd: No prob.
[19:18] <genii-around> phoenix_firebrd: I wonder if it would give same "your system is too slow to play this" if you ran it re-niced to -10 or -15
[19:19] <genii-around> eg: nice -n=-10 mplayer <options>
[19:53] <youssef> hi
[19:53] <youssef> any 1?
[19:53] <gomiboy> no, we are all bots :P
[19:54] <youssef> hi can someone help me i'm a beginner
[19:54] <youssef> i have a problem with bluetooth
[19:56] <youssef> ...
[19:56] <youssef> help :(
[19:56] <gomiboy> youssef: just ask
[19:57] <youssef> ok thanks the problem is that kubuntu doesn't detect my blurtooth hardware even if it was working perfectly on openSUSE
[19:58] <gomiboy> youssef: usb bluetooth thing?
[19:59] <youssef> no
[19:59] <sfears> youssef: type lspci, does it show bluetooth hardware in there
[20:01] <youssef> no i don't see the word "bluetooth" there :(
[20:02] <genii-around> youssef: does: lsusb   show it?
[20:02] <gomiboy> youssef: is there a hardware switch to turn it on/off?
[20:03] <youssef> nothing in usb
[20:03] <youssef> and yes there is
[20:03] <youssef> and i switched it on a nd off many times
[20:03] <youssef> i told that it worked in openSUSE
[20:04] <sfears> ohh it's a usb device... what if you type lsusb
[20:05] <sfears> Bus 006 Device 002: ID 0a12:0001 Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth Dongle (HCI mode)
[20:05] <sfears> something like that maybe?
[20:05] <youssef> is not a usb supposed to be out of the laptop
[20:06] <sfears> sometimes they're internal
[20:06] <sfears> your bluetooth is a usb? or is it internal?
[20:06] <youssef> internal
[20:07] <OerHeks> use lspci
[20:07] <genii-around> OerHeks: They already said lspci does not show it
[20:08] <yofel> it's common that internal bluetooth devices are wired to the USB bus, so show up as usb devices
[20:08] <sfears> have you turned the bluedevil daemon on youssef?  hit alt+f2 and type blue, click on bluedevil to start it.
[20:08] <youssef> yes did it but showed nothing
[20:09] <sfears> so lspci and lsusb show nothing about bluetooth?
[20:09] <youssef> there is just a tray icon that says "no adapters found"
[20:09] <youssef> nothing
[20:09] <sfears> and you've rebooted?
[20:09] <youssef> yes
[20:10] <sfears> what kind of laptop?
[20:10] <youssef> ive installed many things related to bluetooth that i found one software manger but still not working
[20:10] <genii-around> I wonder if rfkill list shows anything
[20:10] <youssef> DELL N511
[20:10] <youssef> DELL N5110
[20:10] <gomiboy> youssef: use the switch and type dmesg in console, see if it say something like: usb device connected
[20:14] <youssef> it says a lot of things what should i look for :D
[20:14] <gomiboy> just the last couple of lines
[20:15] <youssef>   131.858686] usb 2-1.2: palm_os_4_probe - error -32 getting connection info
[20:15] <youssef> [  131.858695] visor 2-1.2:1.2: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter detected
[20:15] <youssef> [  131.858924] usb 2-1.2: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now attached to ttyUSB0
[20:15] <youssef> [  131.859003] usb 2-1.2: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now attached to ttyUSB1
[20:15] <youssef> [  131.859022] usbcore: registered new interface driver visor
[20:15] <FloodBotK1> youssef: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:15] <youssef> [  131.859025] visor: USB HandSpring Visor / Palm OS driver
[20:20] <sfears> youssef: i see something about booting into windows, then do a reboot into kubuntu without powering off your machine and see if the bluetooth is detected.  if so a bluetooth firmware upgrade may solve your problem
[20:21] <sfears> not sure how the reboot thing would work, but it's easy enough to give it a shot
[20:33] <sfears> youssef:
[21:14] <Alantas> Well, that was fun. I hope this bug is fixed in later versions than KDE 4.4.5 (what I'm using). Basically, if a program spawns a dialog window, and you shade that window, the program vanishes but is still running.
[21:15] <Alantas> When that happens to a Plasma widget config dialog, it locks up Plasma itself. Good thing I had KSysGuard on a keyboard shortcut. A nice warm cup of SIGKILL followed by starting it again from a Konsole got me back on my feet.
[21:16] <Alantas> Didn't even interrupt my webradio stream. I love Linux.
[21:19] <sfears> anyone having nadroid md5 sum errors when making a backup?
[21:19] <sfears> woops... wrong room
[22:08] <Echelon_1000> Hello everyone, Im not new to irc, but have not used it since the mid 90s does anyone know of any good oldschool hacker servers still true to the ways of the oldschool?
[22:34] <gd01> Help -- installed almost 3 or 4 different flavors of linux and none of them boot up
[22:34] <gd01> =
[22:34] <gd01> =/
[22:34] <gd01> im currently installed with the latest 64 bit kubuntu, and i get unknown filesystem
[22:35] <avihay_> more details
[22:36] <gd01> IBM T61 laptop, single SSD harddrive. drive full formatted with kubuntu
[22:37] <gd01> on boot i get error ---- error: unknown filesystem
[22:37] <gd01> grub rescue>
[22:37] <avihay_> can you mount the hdd from a live cd?
[22:37] <gd01> i boot to a live cd, i dont see anything under mnt
[22:38] <avihay> you need to mount it manually
[22:38] <gd01> i tried to chroot to /dev/sda, /dev/sda1 none worked
[22:38] <avihay> nothing puts it'self automatically under /mnt
[22:39] <gd01> correct, /mnt is emtpy
[22:39] <avihay> ./dev/sda1 is a block device, not a folder
[22:39] <avihay> you can't chroot to it
[22:41] <avihay> try "sudo mkdir /media/hdd" and then "sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/hdd"
[22:45] <gd01> so im in a busy box shell on the installer cd. no sudo
[22:46] <gd01> after mkdir and mount . i get error failed: invalid argument
[22:54] <midnight> !es
[23:07] <avihay> gd01: I was talking about useing a live-cd to look at the hdd
[23:09] <avihay> you can then see if it's accessible, recover files, run fsck or use other techniques that I'm not privy of
[23:27] <shane2peru> quick question, is there a easy way to asign a keyboard shortcut to OpenOffice (LibreOffice) change change text color in Calc with  a few quick keystrokes?


[06:01] <Knightwise> mornin !
[06:08] <daftykins> heya
[06:13] <Knightwise> hey daftykins how are you
[06:13] <daftykins> not bad thanks! you're up early :) how be thee?
[06:13] <Knightwise> Doing fine,
[06:13] <Knightwise> working from home today. Decided to start early so i can knock off early
[06:13] <daftykins> :D
[06:14] <Knightwise> But i'm not gonna have a lot to do today.
[06:14] <Knightwise> the dutch have a holiday today so our entire offices are closed
[06:15] <daftykins> ah-har sounds ideal
[06:15] <Knightwise> yep .. decided to do some backlogged work for the website too :)
[06:15] <daftykins> put your feet up and carry on with the festivities then :)
[06:15] <Knightwise> Well, i'll be behind the computer and have my work phone with me
[06:16] <Knightwise> but i'll mostly be working on some stuff for the website ;)
[06:16] <Knightwise> still have a video episode to edit down
[06:17] <daftykins> sounds quite varied, your work
[06:18] <Knightwise> not for work , for the website :)
[06:18] <Knightwise> www.knightwise.com
[06:18] <daftykins> aaaah
[06:25] <Knightwise> and you ? You are up early too
[06:27] <daftykins> more up late unfortunately :)
[06:27] <daftykins> on a confusing 'schedule' given the time of year
[06:35] <Knightwise> ah
[06:35] <Knightwise> know what you mean :)
[06:38] <Knightwise> seen the last Dr Who episode yet ?
[06:39] <MartijnVdS> No
[06:39] <MartijnVdS> So don't spoil :)
[06:39] <daftykins> don't watch that one myself
[06:43] <Knightwise> morning MartijnVdS !
[06:43] <Knightwise> I'll keep my trap shut :)
[07:41] <Knightwise> hmm.. time for some video editing
[08:39] <dwatkins> merry boxing to all
[10:29] <brobostigon> good morning eveyone.
[10:31] <bashrc> hello
[10:32] <brobostigon> hello bashrc
[10:32] <bashrc> I read the Shuttleworth blog post eariler
[10:33] <bashrc> focussing more on phones and tablets in 2013
[10:56] <marsilainen> cron entries that people add using crontab - where do these get stored on the filesystem?
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> marsilainen: in /var/spool/cron
[10:58] <marsilainen> ah yes, thanks
[11:05] <sprmtt> nexus people: can you put ubuntu on a nexus 10?
[11:22] <marsilainen> right, I think that boxing day fry up brunch is in order
[13:28] <bigcalm> Good afternoon peeps :)
[13:29] <brobostigon> afternoonings bigcalm :)
[13:33] <bigcalm> Anybody able to point me at a good introduction to learning Python, given that I have a very strong background in PHP?
[13:40] <SuperEngineer> bigcalm: home.clara.net/rfwilmut/research/MPFC/intro.html   ;) [sorry, couldn't resist]
[13:43] <bigcalm> Thanks SuperEngineer
[13:45] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[13:52] <SuperEngineer> bigcalm: did a search for "an introduction to Python for PHP programmers". this may prove slightly more useful http://docs.python.org/2/tutorial/
[13:53] <SuperEngineer> [got the link via this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2561362/learning-python-coming-from-php]
[13:55] <bigcalm> Ta
[14:05] <Nafallo> but we're on python 3 now... :-P
[14:16] <Knightwise> howdy dudes
[14:19] <SuperEngineer> Nafallo: perhaps suggestion the number be sub'd with the number 3 in the link would be - ooo I dunno, helpful?
[14:19] <SuperEngineer> ..just tried it... it works
[14:20] <SuperEngineer> [but thanks for the adventure]
[14:20] <Nafallo> SuperEngineer: I didn't try it, so didn't want to change the url :-)
[14:21] <SuperEngineer> http://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/
[14:58] <penguin42> hmm g+ web interface seems a bit broken for me when I click in the text box to write a post
[14:59] <penguin42> hmm ok if I close the tab, odd
[15:20] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: some js got confused?
[15:20] <penguin42> yeh guess so
[17:12] <popey> pip pip
[17:13] <brobostigon> afternoonings popey
[17:45] <bigcalm> Howdy popey
[17:45] <bigcalm> popey: I want your key fob"
[17:45] <bigcalm> !
[17:47] <popey> yo
[17:47] <popey> haha
[17:47] <popey> i randomly put it on my amz wish list ages ago
[17:48] <bigcalm> I got loads of things I forgot that I had added
[17:48] <popey> bit expensive
[17:49] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B006L5SRJO
[17:49] <popey> someone bought it!
[17:50] <dwatkins> well it's quite nice
[17:50] <bigcalm> I could see that making a hole in my pocket
[17:59] <directhex> moo.
[18:00] <popey> moo indeed
[18:00] <directhex> also oink
[18:01] <popey> hmm, internettings a bit bonkers tonight
[18:01] <popey> twitter and G+ both slow
[18:05] <bigcalm> Learning a new programming language is painful when you're already a coder
[18:05] <penguin42> popey: Heck that Vostro is a decent price
[18:06] <bigcalm> I built an X-Wing today. A dangerous present to give me as I now want to build more!
[18:07] <popey> yeah
[18:07] <popey> annoyingly so
[18:07] <popey> i am thinking of doing http://www.onegameamonth.com/ to improve my programming skills
[18:19] <penguin42> what platforms is it form?
[18:21] <popey> brb
[19:35]  * penguin42 updates his Android disassembler app ( http://www.treblig.org/pocketdisassembler/index.html ) - I think that will be the only Android app I ever work on, the GUI stuff is horrible
[20:20] <cliftonts> Hey, Azelphur
[20:42] <TheHustle> Hi
[21:01] <penguin42> oh, for some reason I hadn't realised Gerry Anderson was responsible for Space: 1999
[21:03] <mgdm> Yeah. Sad news :/
[22:12] <DJones> penguin42: Had you seen that there are plans for a "remake" of the Space 1999 series
[22:35] <haqe17> would someone mind telling me if the latest version of blender (2.65) is made available in 12.10 repositories?
[22:35] <Laney> !info blender
[22:35] <haqe17> thanks
[22:36] <haqe17> !info eclipse
[23:20] <penguin42> DJones: Oh dear, that would be very bad
[23:21] <penguin42> DJones: Still, they had video phones (that something Star Trek didn't think of), although their idea of computer pritners was a bit bad