[00:43] <keithzg> Seriously, any ideas how best to troubleshoot/diagnose a server being unable to resolve names?
[00:44] <keithzg> It's perfectly fine for pure IP addresses, for the record, so I can ping <IP_ADDRESS> or local servers to my heart's content.
[00:57] <sarnold> keithzg: what's in /etc/resolv.conf?
[00:57] <sarnold> keithzg: what's in /etc/nsswitch.conf?
[01:00] <keithzg> sarnold: the contents of both (with my company name removed, heh) are up at http://paste.ubuntu.com/5556793/
[01:02] <keithzg> I fear I have inherited a sprawling, interlocking and precarious beast from the previous sysadmin (the central router which ostensibly acts as one of the nameservers----it's the <IP_ADDRESS> one---is running Trustix, to give you an idea.)
[01:03] <sarnold> oh my. blast from the past.
[02:23] <mattwj2002> howdy room
[02:23] <mattwj2002> I have a question about software raid
[02:24] <mattwj2002> if you add an additional drive in a software raid 5 set does it expand the total data capability of the raid set?  can you even add an additional drive?
[02:25] <lifeless> you can and it does. See man mdadm and look for --add
[02:26] <mattwj2002> thanks lifeless
[02:26] <mattwj2002> you don't seem very lifeless to me
[02:26] <mattwj2002> :P
[02:27] <escott> mattrae, you cant easily add drives to a raid 5 type device
[02:27] <lifeless> escott: why do you say that?
[02:28] <escott> lifeless, because it is stripped (with a checksum)
[02:29] <escott> mattwj2002, sorry not mattrae
[02:29] <lifeless> escott: that just makes the software to do it complex, it doesn't make it hard to use.
[02:29] <mattwj2002> no problem escott
[02:29] <mattwj2002> has anyone ever done that?
[02:29] <lifeless> escott: mdadm --add /dev/mdX /dev/sd<whatever>; mdadm --grow /dev/mdX --size max; resize2fs /path/to/mountpoint
[02:30] <lifeless> escott: the whole stack supports online resizes upwards :)
[02:30] <lifeless> escott: see the man pages, but its most definitely easy.
[02:31] <escott> lifeless, but it does require moving the data around. which is not exactly in the spirit of just adding a device and it being immediately available
[02:31] <lifeless> escott: you don't have to wait tough
[02:32] <escott> lifeless, im more skeptical of online personality switches
[02:32] <lifeless> escott: all unmigrated data is safe to read, all new writes go into the new layout
[02:32] <mattwj2002> thanks guys
[02:33] <lifeless> may need a --raid-disks parameter in the grow, its been a while.
[02:33] <mattwj2002> no problem
[02:33] <lifeless> escott: raid5-6? Thats quite simple too; the Q parity is first calculated onto the new disk
[02:33] <mattwj2002> I just wanted to know if it was possible
[02:34] <lifeless> escott: then the whole array is walked migrating from the transient 5+Q layout to the final layout (normally left-symmetric)
[02:34] <escott> mattwj2002, it is certainly possible and it can be done online, but it is a personality switch and is therefore equivalent to reading all the disk off and writing it all back
[02:34] <escott> mattwj2002, im super cautious about stuff like that
[02:34] <mattwj2002> I hear ya
[02:35] <lifeless> one thing that is worth doing is adding a bitmap first
[02:35] <lifeless> mdadm --grow --bitmap internal /dev/mdX
[02:35] <mattwj2002> bitmap?
[02:35] <mattwj2002> what is that?
[02:35] <lifeless> that makes poweroff's in the middle of the rebuilds not require rescanning anything on the new disks
[02:35] <escott> lifeless, i get how it works and i dont dispute there is online switching capability. its just that if i put something into raid its because i want to be really careful
[02:36] <lifeless> mattwj2002: gives you transactional writes - writes to bitmap marking blocks as dirty, writes to the blocks, clears the bitmap.
[02:36] <lifeless> mattwj2002: its a bit of overhead so normally off, but useful to have on when doing rebuilds or reshapes
[02:37] <mattwj2002> okay cool
[02:37] <mattwj2002> thanks guys :)
[03:01] <rurufufuss> hey guys, if I get say, 32 GB ram, will the OS Be able to utilize all that ram for caching _everything_ after being accessed, without ever having to decache them?
[03:01] <rurufufuss> as in, is there a setting somewhere to specify how much RAM is to be used for disk caching?
[03:02] <escott> rurufufuss, there are tunables for the kernel caches
[03:02] <keithzg> vm.swappiness for the win.
[03:02] <patdk-lap> you can adjust it as much as you want, but default is to use all ram for cache/buffers
[03:03] <patdk-lap> and even program memory :)
[03:03] <rurufufuss> oh, so by default it already tries that huh
[03:03] <patdk-lap> rurufufuss, well, atleast for the last 15years or so
[03:03] <rurufufuss> so I guess this cheap ram I'm eyeing could be beneficial after all? reduces potential swapping and the likes
[03:04] <rurufufuss> awesome
[03:04] <patdk-lap> really depends
[03:04] <patdk-lap> my desktop machine has 16gigs ram, I normally dont get over 8gigs, unless I start kvm up
[03:04] <patdk-lap> really depends exactly what the machine does
[03:05] <rurufufuss> also, is it possible to see how much space a ramdisk (mounted tmpfs) is using?
[03:06] <patdk-lap> as much space as is in it, df -h
[03:06] <patdk-lap> unless it has swapped it to disk
[03:07] <rurufufuss> hmm, it has multiple tmpfs listing.. I thought I did unmount it though
[03:07] <rurufufuss> with umount -V thedirectory/itwas/mountedto
[03:07] <patdk-lap> normally there are like 3 tmpfs
[03:07] <rurufufuss> there's like 13 here
[03:08] <patdk-lap> hmm, no more /dev/shm
[03:08] <patdk-lap> ah, it's just /run now, with symlinks
[03:08] <patdk-lap> I use a lot of tmpfs on my servers
[03:09] <rurufufuss> ever unmount them?
[03:09] <patdk-lap> many times
[03:09] <rurufufuss> so they should disappear from df-h afterwards right?
[03:10] <patdk-lap> only if nothing is using it
[03:10] <rurufufuss> wait, so you can unmount and it'll still "exist"?
[03:11] <rurufufuss> I think I better buy that 32gb ram
[03:12] <patdk-lap> these days, I see no point in not loading up ram, at $50 per 8gigs a stick
[03:12] <patdk-lap> loading up new servers with 512gigs
[03:13] <rurufufuss> that's true I guess, they're so cheap
[03:45] <autojack> does anyone know if I can mount a linux RAID 1 disk with an ext4 partition as just a regular drive in a different system, and access the data?
[03:45] <autojack> I should say, software RAID 1.
[03:46] <lifeless> mdadm partitions have their own metadata and uuid on the disks
[03:47] <lifeless> if you take a single disk from a 2-disk raid1 set, you can assemble it in degraded mode and mount the fs from it, yes.
[03:47] <lifeless> you'll want to make sure you tell mdadm to expose it readonly if you want to take it backw ithout doing a full consistency scan
[03:48] <autojack> OK.
[03:48] <lifeless> if its a 3-or-4-or-more raid1 set, I don't believe you can
[03:48] <lifeless> because they are more complex layouts
[03:48] <autojack> nope, it's just 2.
[03:49] <autojack> to elaborate a little, I have an oldish Debian system with RAID 1, and I want to switch to Ubuntu. so I was thinking I would break the mirror, install Ubuntu to one drive as a degraded RAID 1 if possible, then copy the data off the other drive before adding it into the RAID.
[03:58] <EvoX> hello
[04:51] <roaksoax> /win/win 13
[04:58] <xxiao> need build a powerpc cloud image, what's special about that image? just a network enabled rootfs will be fine?
[04:59] <xxiao> not sure if i should use vmbuilder or lxc-creator, want to build it so i can load it under openstack/lxc
[10:51] <scarleo>  Hi, just configured IPv6 on my Ubuntu server but when I try to ping external addresses it tries to ping from my Scope:Link address instead of the Scope:Global address. Does anyone know what might cause this?
[10:51] <scarleo> And of course it then fails with: Destination unreachable: Beyond scope of source address
[10:52] <scarleo> I can ping my IPv6 address from external sources just fine
[10:56] <Ben64> route?
[10:58] <scarleo> # ip -6 route 2a02:28f0:0:c::/64 dev eth0  proto kernel  metric 256 fe80::/64 dev eth0  proto kernel  metric 256 default via 2a02:28f0:0:c::1 dev eth0  metric 1024
[11:12] <scarleo> Ben64, was that what you were asking for?
[11:15] <Ben64> dunno, i've never had a problem with ipv6
[11:15] <Ben64> but if you can't ping out but you can ping in, sounds like routing
[11:15] <Ben64> had something similar with ipv4 recently
[12:50] <duncan-nz> I've got a samba server running (at least it should be running) and I've installed Swat t ostart configuring it. But I get no reply in the browser when I try localhost:901 from another machine on the network (via wireless) What can I check to see hwat's wrong?
[13:00] <yeats> duncan-nz: 'localhost' is the machine you're on - if you replace 'localhost' with the IP (or hostname if you have DNS or a hosts file configured), that should work
[13:01] <yeats> IP of the *server* that is
[13:01] <duncan-nz> hi thanks. first though how do I stop the ping I started on localhost ... ? :)
[13:02] <yeats> duncan-nz: ctrl-c?
[13:03] <duncan-nz> whew! thanks.
[13:06] <duncan-nz> this is where i always get confused. when i run ifconfig i get quite a few ip addresses.
[13:06] <duncan-nz> i've tried the one listed as inet and Bcast but they don't work...
[13:07] <duncan-nz> (gotta go out and help the kids for a few minutes)
[13:11] <yeats> duncan-nz: the inet one is the one that matters... is the server on the same network as the computer you're trying to access it on?
[13:13] <yeats> other things to consider: firewall on the client machine? firewall on the server? can the server ping the client? can the client ping the server?
[13:17] <duncan-nz> well, ping localhost:901 on the server machine doesn't work, but ping localhost there works fine.
[13:18] <duncan-nz> when you ask if there server can ping the client. I haven't got samba up and running with access from other machines yet, i guess that's what you mean by clients?
[13:21] <yeats> duncan-nz: client in this case just means "the machine with which you're trying to reach the server"
[13:21] <yeats> ping localhost:901 will ping the machine you're on at that time, whether that's the client machine or the server
[13:22] <yeats> get the IP address of each machine (inet address) and try pinging one from the other (without the ":901"
[13:22] <duncan-nz> and ping localhost:901 on the server machine (SSH via Putty) gives no reaction.
[13:22] <yeats> )
[13:23] <yeats> "ping localhost" = "ping myself" - is that what you're trying to do?
[13:24] <yeats> duncan-nz: this might help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Localhost
[13:24] <duncan-nz> just now i'm trying to see if there is any reply from port 901 on the server. when I try to get a reaction on the server from a SSH to the server I get no reaction. I'm assuming that localhost when written in SSH is regarded as on the machine I'm accesing.
[13:24] <yeats> I see
[13:25] <duncan-nz> so I don't think Swat is running, or maybe samba itself is not... that's what I'm tryingt ot work out.
[13:26] <yeats> ping doesn't work that way - you can't ping a specific port
[13:26] <yeats> just a host
[13:26] <duncan-nz> oh, so I can't use it to test what's wrong! well that's an important thing to learn. Thanks.
[13:26] <yeats> you could try 'nmap localhost' (nmap may need to be installed)
[13:26] <yeats> ping just tests whether a host is "up" (available on the network)
[13:27] <yeats> nmap will show which ports are open
[13:28] <duncan-nz> I have four open ports, all tcp and each for ssh, netbios-ssn, microsoft-da and port 901 for samba-swat
[13:29] <yeats> okay, so the port is open - now the question is can you reach the server from the other machine
[13:29] <duncan-nz> I think I should do some more reading about the config files. sounds like I've overseen or misunderstood something critical.
[13:30] <yeats> duncan-nz: is the "client" machine a Windows machine?
[13:30] <duncan-nz> I can see that the server has turned up under networks in explorer in windows on this machine. so that's something.
[13:31] <yeats> duncan-nz: if so, open cmd and do 'ping ip-of-server' (where 'ip-of-server' is the actual IP of the server)
[13:31] <duncan-nz> client is windows. but i can jump onto a linux machine if you think that would be better for me to learn and understand this stuff.
[13:31] <duncan-nz> ok
[13:31] <yeats> duncan-nz: I will always recommend linux over windows, but no need for what you're trying to do right this minute
[13:32] <duncan-nz> that answers fine when pinged from this windows client to the servers inet ip.
[13:32] <yeats> okay, then try opening a browser and entering ip-of-server:901
[13:33] <duncan-nz> i'm trying to do everything over SSH and whatching what happens in this windows machine.
[13:33] <yeats> okay - I was just looking back at the original question you asked - you're no longer trying to access the GUI?
[13:34] <duncan-nz> when i send firefox to the server I get 'can't make connection' when i try the server machine at port 901 i get 'connection reset'. so something must be reacting to my attempt at connection, or no?
[13:35] <duncan-nz> I want to get into swat to configure Samba - I doubt I have configured samba correctly and thought Swat would be easier to learn and understand.
[13:36] <duncan-nz> Swat is a Samba gui isn't it?
[13:36] <yeats> I've not used it.  My samba knowledge is basically limited to getting a windows machine to see the printer hooked to my linux box ;-)
[13:37] <yeats> I would recommend asking in #samba, though
[13:37] <duncan-nz> ok. I think i sould spend some more time here: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/samba-fileserver.html working on getting the config right.
[13:37] <yeats> yeah - and I would read up on networking basics
[13:38] <duncan-nz> yeah, i've realised I need to get some basic knowledge here. fun projekt... thanks for the help.
[13:42] <yeats> duncan-nz: sure ;-)
[15:01] <Katronix> Greetings all, I'm currently setting up a new web server running Apache. I would like each file to be owned by its own owner and for scripts like WordPress to be able to edit the files. Can you give recommendations on what I need to install?
[15:03] <ikonia> Katronix: they just need to share a common group, and that group be the web server group, that's it
[15:04] <Katronix>     ikonia so instead of it being owned by chris:chris it would be chris:nobody ?
[15:08] <ikonia> Katronix: if nobody is the group of the webserver, sure
[15:08] <Katronix> ikonia ok thanks
[15:20] <Katronix> gotta love it when you ask your new hosting company for your IPs, and they say "yes you get 4 IPs"
[15:22] <ruben231> hi guys how do i unmount an NFS share..?
[15:22] <melmoth> like any other volumes. umount
[15:23] <ruben231> melmoth:  exact coomand.?
[15:23] <ruben231> command*
[15:23] <melmoth> umount /path/to/mountpoint
[15:23] <ruben231> if i unmount it the storage file of it will be delete or not..?
[15:23] <melmoth> no, just unmounted
[15:23] <Katronix> ruben231 unmount just tells the server not to access it
[15:24] <Katronix> may want to make sure your not using any files on it before unmounting it
[15:28] <ruben231>  Katronix:but i have this mount as NFS share -----------------> <IP_ADDRESS>:/volume1/NewMP3Recordings  -  5.4T  4.8T  637G  89% /var/spool/asterisk/monitorDONE/MP3
[15:28] <ruben231> how do i unmount that
[15:28] <ikonia> it won't unmount if it's got open files
[15:28] <ikonia> ruben231: umount /var/spool/asterisk/monitorDONE/MP3
[15:33] <ruben231>  ikonia: thanks
[15:54] <Katronix> to configure an ubuntu server for an additional IP on eth0 would you refer to it as eth0:1 ?
[15:54] <duncan-nz> I've made basic changes to my smb.conf file, created a smb.conf.master file, but when I try to run $ sudo testparm -s smb.conf.master > smb.conf
[15:55] <duncan-nz> it says "-bash: smb.conf: permission denied"
[15:55] <RoyK> Katronix: just add "up ip addr add <IP_ADDRESS>/24 dev eth0" to the end of the interfaces block
[15:55] <RoyK> eth0:x is deprecated
[15:56] <duncan-nz> ... that should have ended with "... >smb.conf"
[16:04] <Katronix> Roy OK, what is the newest way to start networking?
[16:06] <Katronix> or restart that is
[16:07] <duncan-nz> sudo restart smbd
[16:08] <duncan-nz> (if it's samba you're talking about)
[16:08] <Katronix> duncan-nz no I was refering to networking
[16:08] <duncan-nz> bummer, for 2 secs I thought I'd understood something...
[16:09] <duncan-nz> but I have just learnt that restarting services is no longer done with init scripts.
[16:09] <Katronix> yeah I just saw that too
[16:09] <Katronix> I've tried service networking restart and it says it doesn't know what is meant by stop and then says its stopped lol
[16:11] <duncan-nz> what do you mean by networking, surely there's a specific package to call?
[16:11] <duncan-nz> or is 'networking' a package?
[16:11] <Katronix> added a new IP to the server, networking at least used to be the way to tell it to re-read its configuration for what IPs it had
[16:12] <duncan-nz> so we're two people looking for help talking to each other? bummer again.
[16:12] <Katronix> lol yep guess so seems everyone else are off doing other things
[16:13] <duncan-nz> so you know Samba
[16:13] <duncan-nz> ?
[16:13] <Katronix> a little, been a while since I used it
[16:15] <duncan-nz> I get why I need to restart smbd, but what is nmbd - how do I get info on what something is in bash?
[16:15] <Katronix> nmbd is something that works with smb
[16:16] <ruben231>  hi guys im having hardtime...finding what cause the huge storage of my server HDD, any idea how to find it..? -----------> http://pastebin.com/1W9ct6du
[16:17] <Katronix> ruben231 you don't know what is causing: /home/openweb/.Private ?
[16:20] <Katronix> Are you still here RoyK?
[16:21] <RoyK> yep
[16:22] <Katronix> RoyK so this should work: http://pastebin.com/VBVMtPiD ?
[16:25] <RoyK> I would have written it as this http://pastebin.com/DKtzwTvm
[16:25] <RoyK> but then - keep in mind that those two addresses are on different subnets
[16:27] <RoyK> Katronix: $HOME/.Private is a symlink used if you encrypt the homedir
[16:27] <Katronix> OK and then after that what command do I run to get ubuntu to reconfigure the network? is it service network restart?
[16:27] <RoyK> networking
[16:28] <Katronix> ok
[16:29] <Katronix>  service networking restart does not seem to have the desired effect :(
[16:29] <RoyK> /etc/init.d/networking restart
[16:29] <RoyK> perhaps
[16:30] <RoyK> btw, can you manually do 'ip addr add <IP_ADDRESS>/24 dev eth0' ?
[16:31] <Katronix> you mean type that in at a bash prompt?
[16:31] <RoyK> yes
[16:31] <RoyK> 'up (something)' in interfaces means 'when this nic goes up, run this'
[16:31] <Katronix> RTNETLINK answers: File exists <<< was the response
[16:34] <RoyK> so what does ip addr list tell?
[16:36] <Katronix> http://pastebin.com/DUpgX4pP so I guess it is there? even if ifconfig doesn't list it?
[16:36] <RoyK> no, ifconfig won't list more than one IP per nic
[16:37] <RoyK> unless you use the older ethx:X
[16:38] <Katronix> ok, so going by that it should work if i ping it?
[16:39] <RoyK> it should
[16:39] <Katronix> yay it works
[16:39] <RoyK> but clients on <IP_ADDRESS>/24 probably won't be able to reach it unless you setup routing correctly
[16:40] <Katronix> I didn't have any control of the IP, it was the host who assigned it
[16:47] <RoyK> so the one on 192.95.29.x is from dhcp?
[16:48] <Katronix> they are both from the company I'm getting the dedi from
[16:50] <Katronix> thanks for the help all, time to go off and do other things
[17:02] <lyda> for your weekend amusement: a venn diagram of unix commands/utils, us states and territories and irish license plate codes: http://goo.gl/Zy3eY
[20:24] <an_de> I do " sudo service dovecot start" service seems to start, i have enabled logging in docecot.conf, service seems to instant die, and my logs are empty. any advice? i have tried to touch the logfiles and gave them chmod 777 to amke sure dovecot could write them if the user\group or anything like that should be wrong.
[20:25] <an_de> I am logging to info_log_path = /var/log/dovecot-info.log        log_path = /var/log/dovecot.log
[21:27] <Styler2go> Hey Guys. What can i do if i accidently blocked port 22?
[21:29] <maswan> login on the console and unblock it
[21:29] <Styler2go> ssh is on port 22...
[21:29] <maswan> that's why I suggested the console
[21:29] <Styler2go> what console do you mean?
[21:30] <genii-around> The physical keyboard
[21:30] <Styler2go> its a root...
[21:30] <Styler2go> i dont have physical access
[21:30] <maswan> or a serial remote console or remote management console if you have a real server in there
[21:30] <Styler2go> the only thing working is port 80 and the CP
[21:31] <genii-around> Styler2go: So no telnet either?
[21:32] <Styler2go> only port 80 and the cp seems to work
[21:33] <Styler2go> what options do i have?
[21:34] <genii-around> Probably depends on your control panel options there.
[21:34] <Styler2go> a restart wont help anything, or?
[21:34] <Styler2go> its a parallels plesk power panel
[21:35] <genii-around> Styler2go: Did you turn off/remove sshd, or did you just do something like make an iptables rule which locked you out?
[21:35] <Styler2go> ufw
[21:35] <Styler2go> but i made ufw 22 allow...
[21:37] <Styler2go> i could uninstall ufw.. would thi shelp?
[21:40] <genii-around> Styler2go: I'd probably try that, yes
[21:41] <Styler2go> ok it got removed successfully...
[21:41] <Styler2go> semms not...
[21:46] <genii-around> Styler2go: Since there is probably a way to re-enable ssh access from Plesk, I'd suggest to call your site provider tech support. I do see a page explaining how to let ftp users access by ssh here http://kb.mediatemple.net/questions/914/Enable+SSH+Terminal+for+FTP+user+within+Plesk#dv_40
[21:47] <genii-around> But they would know more about the inner workings of that control panel
[21:47] <Styler2go> grr
[21:47] <Styler2go> ok i have to think about it
[21:49] <genii-around> ( and, it's not really a support question for ubuntu server in the sense that it's something you did within the control panel which is the issue, and not the underlying operating system is having some issue)
[21:49] <Styler2go> i also cant restart the server..
[21:50] <Styler2go> the guys in #ubuntu told me to go here
[21:51] <Styler2go> ok i got the restart working, i have access to ssh back...
[21:52] <genii-around> Styler2go: Good, the reboot would have flushed the iptables rules
[21:53] <Styler2go> maybe you could help me now with the real ubuntu... i want to set up a firewall to block if there are coming more than X/sex requests from one ip
[21:55] <genii-around> Styler2go: I have to go to a hockey game shortly. But someone else might take it up. If you just want to slow down people trying to brute-force password attack maybe look at fail2ban though
[21:55] <lenios> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fail2ban
[22:22] <_KaszpiR_> yawn
[22:23] <_KaszpiR_> I'd like to install ubuntu LTS minimal ion UEFI via usb
[22:23] <_KaszpiR_> any tutorial?
[22:43] <_KaszpiR_> ugh now I know, the md5sums got borked
[22:54] <_KaszpiR_> ok, looks like it is working
[23:06] <_KaszpiR_> whehe, works
[23:15] <Plizzo> I have a RAID5 array which used to consist of three 2TB drives. Last week I added another drive and after that I grew the array to include four devices. Although, I forgot to modify the filesystem size. I will attempt to do this overnight, but I'm wondering if this command is correct: "mdadm --grow /dev/md0 --size=max"


[08:10] <Morganvd> Morning all
[08:19] <nuvolari_> o/
[08:19] <nuvolari_> mornings
[08:19] <nuvolari_> :>
[08:47] <nuvolari_> >:'(
[08:47] <nuvolari_> upgrades and installs are about the same size as a fresh install :P
[08:47] <nuvolari_> and whoppee.. ath the end of the month again.
[14:01] <pietie> gnome 3 parties?
[14:01] <pietie> I'm having a 1-man party :P
[15:40] <Morganvd> yay all the kids are on linux now
[20:53] <Rilac> evening all


[10:03] <DarkTrick> Anyone knows what widget the css class "row" amounts to?
[10:51] <DarkTrick> Any idea when the css class ".selection-mode button.titlebutton" gets visible?
[11:04] <DarkTrick> ochosi, Unit193 @ Greybird: bad news: I made a mistake in my last commit. This line is not supposed to be there: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/blob/master/light/gtk-3.0/_common.scss#L4515, because it's under `%nobg_...`. I.e. some items will have grey background even though they're supposed to have no background.
[11:04] <DarkTrick> Good news, though: I think this is not severe. This affects only 3 specific cases. And - as far as I could figure out so far - they seem to be rather specific and don't happen in day-to-day life.
[11:32] <DarkTrick> Uh.. maybe it's worse than I thought :( :( :( Here you can see the consequences: https://imgur.com/a/KYILqvK
[11:37] <DarkTrick> Deep apologies for the trouble :(  In case you want it fixed quickly, I created another PR containing the fix: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/pull/305  (tiny diff)


[18:40] <Rinchen> FunnyLookinHat: did you guys get a turnout yesterday? I ended up not feeling well in the afternoon and didn't make the haul down
[18:40] <Rinchen> I was a bit bummed. I wanted to go down
[18:41] <FunnyLookinHat> joey, couldn't make it myself because of another obligation
[18:41] <FunnyLookinHat> But I think 5 or 6 total?
[18:42] <joey> :-/
[18:43] <FunnyLookinHat> 14.10 - not a huge release....  also I don't think Sunday nights are the best time for people


[07:49] <ford0318> hi~
[07:49] <ford0318> 新手加入請多多指教
[09:47] <marksy1ee> hello everybody
[09:50] <RJHsiao> Hi~
[18:05]  * mosesofmason appears out of a wisp of smoke.


[21:19] <pleia2> we need more summaries, if anyone is around this afternoon :)
[21:21] <tsimonq2> as soon as this room cools down'
[21:21] <tsimonq2> :P
[21:22]  * tsimonq2 can't be efficient when it's 80 degrees F
[21:22] <pleia2> darn summer :)
[21:23] <tsimonq2> well it's that, and dad made us shut off the AC overnight, so I woke up at noon really hot (meanwhile he has the AC on in the living room :|)
[21:24] <pleia2> x_x
[21:24] <pleia2> crazy


[04:09] <lotuspsychje> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/Grooveshark-to-Be-Removed-from-Ubuntu-Touch-480487.shtml
[06:10] <morphis> ogra_, rsalveti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11021064/ .. its going to work
[06:35] <cylonmath2> Guys for some reason, my phone's battery lasts much much longer. I would say she spends the nights with a %5 battery loss, previously it was like %40 loss. Is this only because I turned off 3G?
[06:40] <ulrichard> Why can't I start the video player from the terminal like so :  mediaplayer-app video:///home/phablet/Videos/2015_SpeedFlyingAndermatt_phone.mp4
[07:01] <dholbach> good morning
[08:07] <mardy> what is the component responsible for bringing up the incoming call dialog?
[08:08] <mardy> (bug 1453004 is currently assigned to ubuntu-ux, but it's actually a bug in some component)
[08:41] <jgdx> mardy, you could file against canonical-devices-system-image instead of ubuntu-ux.
[08:41] <mardy> jgdx: thanks, I'll move it there
[08:44] <SturmFlut> Interesting, the bq E4.5 seems to identify as "device::ro.product.name=occam;ro.product.model=Nexus 4;ro.product.device=mako" via ADB
[08:44] <ogra_> SturmFlut, yeah, there is a bug open for that ...
[08:44] <SturmFlut> ogra_: Oh, great
[08:48] <ogra_> bug 1297927
[08:56] <mardy> greyback: hi! I'm watching now the UOS session about unity8 in desktop mode. About your QtCreator demo, does that mean that now it's possible to run QWidget based apps in unity8 without passing via xmir?
[08:57] <greyback> mardy: it's possible, but there's lots of window-management corner cases we need to fix up. That demo was using not-yet-landed code
[09:00] <cousteau> a bit of speculative conversation:  would it be possible to develop an Android APK compatibility layer?  I imagine this would be similar to Wine for running Windows programs
[09:00] <cousteau> (so not everything would just "run natively" but would need some back-ends and compatibility layers)
[09:01] <ogra_> cousteau, thats surely possible, but you would have to ship the whole layer inside your click package
[09:01] <cousteau> maybe the word was "feasible", not "possible"
[09:02] <cousteau> ogra_, do you mean that it should be shipped per app, rather than as a single emulator-ish app?
[09:02] <ogra_> click apps cant see each other ... (or much of the system) so each apk app would have to ship it
[09:03] <ogra_> there is a bitcoin app in the store i think ... thats shipping a whole java layer
[09:04] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy No Socks Day! 😃
[09:04] <cousteau> oh, there's no java package for ubuntu touch just like there is for ubuntu desktop?
[09:04] <ogra_> there are debs ... you could use the binaries from there inside your click
[09:05] <ogra_> but no, click packages do not work like debs ...
[09:05] <cousteau> anyway, I guess the solution could be to have a single "Android app" and have the .apk installed inside that
[09:05] <ogra_> with the switch to snappy (which is supposed to happen in ~6 months) it will be possible to have a framework package
[09:05] <cousteau> oh, that sounds better :)
[09:05] <ogra_> that could then provide a systemwide framework for your app
[09:06] <ogra_> until then, you will have to fully bundle all deps in your click package
[09:06] <cousteau> having all apps be self-contained sounds like an elegant and clean solution but may not be very optimal
[09:07] <cousteau> but still, as I said there could be a single Android app and have the .apk install inside it
[09:08] <cousteau> although that would probably not be "transparent" enough for the user, since ideally one would want the app switcher to display all instances of running Android apps, not just a single one
[09:09] <cousteau> and I'm not sure if the app switcher restricts each package to a single "window" or if they can spawn several windows
[09:11] <cousteau> Touch doesn't have a Back button/gesture like Android, right?
[09:12] <morphis> cousteau: https://code.google.com/p/gentroid/ might be interesting for you
[09:12]  * cousteau is thinking that maybe swipe from left/right should be app-specific gestures such as back/menu or back/forward
[09:13] <morphis> last time I looked at it some of the code was missing so not able to reproduce that from the existing source
[09:13] <cousteau> ouch
[09:15] <cousteau> has it been considered to add "swipe from corners" as extra gestures?  Or would that overcomplicate things?
[09:16] <cylonmath2> do we have chance to use swipe typing?
[09:18] <cousteau> that way you'd add 4 extra features, and could free "swipe left/right" for application-specific actions.  Swipe left looks like an intuitive gesture for "go back", and swipe right could open a narrow menu on the right
[09:22] <tsdgeos> oSoMoN: i think the usermetrics stuff may have been fixid in vivid
[09:22] <tsdgeos> pete-woods: have you had a look at the bug oSoMoN filed today/yesterday?
[09:22] <oSoMoN> tsdgeos, nope, I’m seeing that on vivid-proposed
[09:22] <oSoMoN> wait, actually I’m seeing it on image #199, I’ll update to the latest now and see if it fixes it
[09:23] <tsdgeos> oSoMoN: ah, then it may be it's the apps fault, i want to remember usermetrics introduced a way to give the text in english+catalog so the translation would be on run time instead of in insert time
[09:23] <tsdgeos> but i may be dreaming :D
[09:23] <tsdgeos> oSoMoN: so i gather the talk went well yesterday? full house?
[09:24] <pete-woods> tsdgeos: yeah, that feature works, but only for system installed clicks
[09:24] <pete-woods> I can't find a way of accessing the user's list of packages without actually being that user
[09:25] <oSoMoN> tsdgeos, it went ok, there were about ~25 attendees (I had the impression there were more after the talk for the free beer and pizzas though)
[09:26] <tsdgeos> lol
[09:26] <tsdgeos> that's weird, there were more than 50 people signed up at the meetup page
[09:26] <tsdgeos> i guess that's bound to happen when signing up is "free"
[09:26] <oSoMoN> yeah, I know, but the organizers told me it’s not uncommon for about 1/3 of the attendees to not show up
[09:27] <oSoMoN> but it went well and they’re all a friendly crowd
[09:37] <oSoMoN> tsdgeos, nope, updating to the latest image in devel-proposed (#207 on krillin) didn’t fix the issue
[09:42] <tsdgeos> oSoMoN: oh sure, once the db is broken it'll be broken i guess
[09:42] <tsdgeos> i mean the text is already there in catalan
[09:43] <tsdgeos> it can't automatically be fixed to french
[09:43] <tsdgeos> anyway pete-woods is your man fr usermetrics
[09:44] <oSoMoN> ok, thanks for triaging the bug
[09:53] <brunch875> GAH! Wake up this morning and do my toilet-newspaper routine on my uphone.
[09:53] <brunch875> El Pais talks about the convergence project with Microsoft and how others have tried and failed
[09:53] <brunch875> pointing at ubuntu edge
[09:53] <brunch875> it made me grind my teeth
[09:54] <popey> heh
[09:56] <brunch875> Ironically El Pais should know better since it's the only spanish news scope
[10:00] <mpt> Where can I report bugs on the NearBy scope? It isn’t listed on <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers>, and <https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=nearby+scope+site%3Abugs.launchpad.net> doesn’t seem to show any Nearby-specific bugs
[10:01] <davmor2> brunch875: technically Edge did fail but the concepts didn't and live on as this UOS has clearly shown :)
[10:02] <brunch875> Yeah, what I mean is that article pointed how convergence died with Edge
[10:03] <davmor2> brunch875: so correct them and point them at the UOS videos so they can get it right :)
[10:04] <brunch875> Already have! Left a comment there. I would contact the author directly but I don't think it's possible
[10:04] <popey> mpt: poke cwayne i think
[10:05] <popey> mpt: when you find out, let me know, i have a couple to file
[10:05] <brunch875> Cooke's videos are great to see convergence working
[10:06] <davmor2> mpt: hanloon project I think
[10:07] <mpt> davmor2, judging by cwayne’s assigned bugs list, that looks right :) Thanks
[10:09] <mpt> popey, added. <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers?action=diff&rev2=66&rev1=65>
[10:09] <popey> mpt: thats no good, its private
[10:10] <popey> avengers should really only link to public bug projects
[10:11] <mpt> It’s public on <http://www.bq.com/gb/ubuntu.html>, why does it need to be private on Launchpad?
[10:12] <popey> the code isn't public, that's the problem
[10:12] <popey> we had this with the today scope
[10:12] <popey> I'm sure there are others
[10:13] <popey> mpt: → victorp
[10:15] <mpt> That doesn’t mean the entire project needs to be private … Launchpad itself was for years a public LP project with private code
[10:18] <popey> I agree with you.
[10:32] <mpt> Reported bug 1453091 on making the project public (the bug report is private because of the bug itself)
[10:32]  * mpt pats ubot5 on the head
[11:05] <mpt> I wonder what the “Nearby” scope looks like in the village of Sviača, Belarus
[11:05] <mpt> Maybe I could expense the flights + bus + tractor ride to find out? :-)
[11:06] <mpt> (Or anywhere that isn’t a city covered by Time Out, basically)
[11:13] <SturmFlut> mpt: I think at least the "NearBy Wikipedia articles" part would show the "Belarus" article
[11:36] <cwayne> mpt, sturmflut2 it would still probably have stuff from yelp/wiki articles sure
[11:36] <cwayne> I live in not-a-city so I don't see nearly as much as when im travelling, but tbh it's still been really useful
[12:06] <pete-woods> pitti: if you could see it in your heart to get my dbusmock MR into the vivid overlay PPA, I would be eternally grateful! it'd be very nice to be able to land my bugfixes to indicator-network with tests enabled :)
[12:06] <pete-woods> (https://github.com/martinpitt/python-dbusmock/pull/9)
[12:06] <pitti> pete-woods: heh; sorry; UOS, apport security vuln, stuff just keeps coming :(
[12:07] <pitti> pete-woods: ah, that's a simple one indeed; the other two are much larger
[12:07] <pete-woods> pitti: sure, I understand you're busy. obviously I'd prefer to self-serve the release with citrain, but you're my bottleneck here :)
[12:07] <pitti> pete-woods: btw, why does that block you? packages can always ship their own mocks
[12:08] <pete-woods> pitti: I know, but I don't want to have to start copying the whole template and maintaining a separate copy
[12:08] <pitti> (or set/update the status at runtime, like this MP)
[12:08] <jgdx> ^ this :p
[12:08] <pitti> ok
[12:08] <pete-woods> pitti: and seriously, other people's tests need to be fixed if they depend on the broken rsn flags thing that's there at the moment
[12:08] <jgdx> pitti, did you see that subtle comment
[12:09] <pitti> jgdx: I did :)
[12:09] <jgdx> :p
[12:09] <jgdx> pitti, qa has said they can help out reviewing
[12:09] <jgdx> just fyi
[12:09] <pete-woods> is there much that QA can do, besides check a few packages' tests still pass?
[12:10] <pete-woods> it's not like dbusmock has "user" users
[12:10] <jgdx> they can look at the code too
[12:11] <pete-woods> but are QA intimately familiar with network manager / ofono internals?
[12:11] <pete-woods> I kinda wish I wasn't :p
[12:11] <jgdx> you and me both
[12:12]  * pitti looks at the pull requests while some builds/tests are running
[12:12] <pete-woods> :D
[12:12] <jgdx> http://i.imgur.com/u02K30c.png
[12:13] <pete-woods> pitti: I checked that jgdx's branch doesn't break my indicator-network tests, btw
[12:13] <pete-woods> and they still work afterwards
[12:13] <jgdx> the bribe helped
[12:13] <pitti> ah, good; you mean https://github.com/martinpitt/python-dbusmock/pull/6 ?
[12:13] <pete-woods> pitti: yep, that one
[12:14] <pete-woods> with any luck there shouldn't be a huge amount left to implement in there
[12:14] <pete-woods> expect another PR with secret agent support at some point, then I really think we've covered about everything the phone does
[12:16] <jgdx> then we start on the ofono mock
[12:17] <pete-woods> yeah, we still need to be able to test sim unlock cancel
[12:17] <pete-woods> seriously cannot figure out how to get that working
[12:18] <jgdx> pete-woods, kenvandine expanded our ofono template with some pin locking functionality. http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~system-settings-touch/ubuntu-system-settings/trunk/view/head:/tests/autopilot/ubuntu_system_settings/tests/ofono.py#L120
[12:19] <SturmFlut> Might be interesting for some: http://sturmflut.github.io/ubuntu/touch/2015/05/08/hacking-ubuntu-touch-part-4-developer-mode-and-ADB/
[12:21] <pete-woods> jgdx: hrm, kinda looks like a lot of the high level logic in there should have actually moved into the template
[12:21] <jgdx> pete-woods, that's the plan.
[12:21] <pete-woods> oh wait
[12:21] <pete-woods> that's the template
[12:21] <pete-woods> but a copy
[12:21] <jgdx> oui
[12:21] <pete-woods> right, this is why I want the PRs in core dbusmock, not in each individual's project
[12:22] <pete-woods> free stuff for me!
[12:23] <pitti> jgdx: please run the full test suite -- pep8 is barfing like mad
[12:23] <jgdx> pitti, hm, ok
[12:23] <pitti> jgdx: (fixing now, but would be easier in the future)
[12:23] <pete-woods> jgdx: you need to run it once with ./setup test
[12:24] <pete-woods> jgdx: and again with python setup test
[12:24] <pete-woods> # tests must succeed for Python 2 and 3
[12:24] <pete-woods> ./setup.py test
[12:24] <pete-woods> python setup.py test
[12:24] <pete-woods> see do-release
[12:25] <jgdx> pitti, oh my
[12:28] <mpt> SturmFlut, Wikipedia’s Belarus article doesn’t have coordinates (too large, I guess), so probably not
[12:28] <pitti> jgdx: ok, got it fixed
[12:29] <jgdx> pitti, thanks. I gotta configure my editor properly. Sorry bout that
[12:29] <pitti> jgdx: no worries, just for next time
[12:29] <jgdx> pitti, yup
[12:31] <SturmFlut> mpt: Oh, interesting. I somehow assumed every country had a set of coordinates.
[12:37] <mpt> SturmFlut, most countries (or at least, the countries that most people are in at any moment) would be too large for that to be useful
[12:53] <pitti> jgdx, pete-woods: FYI, https://tracker.debian.org/news/683190; I'll sync it into wily this evening, when it gets imported into LP
[12:54] <pete-woods> pitti: the vivid overlay PPA would be the most helpful, if that's possible :)
[12:54] <pete-woods> as it will help me land a fairly good set of bugfixes there
[12:54] <pitti> pete-woods: we can sync from wily to that PPA, can't we?
[12:54] <pitti> or do we need magic version numbers there?
[12:54] <pete-woods> pitti: I have absolutely no idea. I have no package rights, etc
[12:54] <pitti> pete-woods: what and where is the overlay PPA?
[12:54] <pete-woods> as long as some version of it ends up in the overlay PPA, via whatever means, that's good for me
[12:55] <pitti> can/should people just upload there, or does that need to go through the train/spreadsheet?
[12:55] <pete-woods> pitti: phone images are now produced from vivid + "overlay PPA"
[12:55] <pete-woods> pitti: I don't know about upload rights. I have no rights anywhere, so citrain is everything for me
[12:55] <pete-woods> pitti: but you probably have more packge-fu than me, so I don't know if that applies to you or now=t
[12:55] <pete-woods> not
[12:56] <ogra_> pitti, nobody is exactly sure what the plan for landing is, development is supposed to all happen in vivid now so that wily is free for snappy work ... perhaps the syncing will only happen in the other direction
[12:56] <pitti> ogra_: well, I can also upload a ~vivid backport to a PPA, if (1) someone tells me where that is, and (2) that it's okay to upload there
[12:56] <ogra_> sil2100, ^^^ or do you know more yet ?
[12:57] <pete-woods> pitti: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ci-train-ppa-service/stable-phone-overlay/ubuntu vivid main
[12:57] <pete-woods> is what's on the phone now
[12:58] <pete-woods> that's about the limit of my knowledge
[12:58]  * pitti looks at https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay
[12:58] <pitti> ok, there are CI train landings, but apparently also direct uploads
[12:58] <pete-woods> so there are some manual uploads
[12:59] <pete-woods> must be great to be able to totally skip the QA process :p
[12:59] <pete-woods> (sarcasm)
[12:59] <pitti> eek -- there are packages which are newer than in wily
[12:59] <ogra_> lots :)
[12:59] <pete-woods> this is where trunk dev for phone-centric stuff is happening, so I guess that makes sense
[12:59] <pitti> didn't that cause the very mess that we got when updating from rtm to utopic and vivid?
[13:00] <Tm_T> hi
[13:00] <Tm_T> I'm currently in Happy Hacking Day event in Helsinki
[13:00] <ogra_> pitti, well, it will  be synced somehow :)
[13:00] <pitti> anyway, if it's ok to upload there, I'm happy to; otherwise, as dbusmock isn't set up for auto-landing, what needs to happen?
[13:00] <ogra_> pitti, the final policy just hasnt been decided yet afaik
[13:00] <Tm_T> will show up Ubuntu phone to the audience in an hour, also will try put finnish national broadcasting companys news to Ubuntu phone
[13:01] <Tm_T> I might come and ask things about scopes, just FYI (:
[13:01] <pitti> ogra_: ok; since I don't seem to be the first one and this is just a QA tool (not on the image) -- stick finger in ear, dput, run away? :-)
[13:01] <Mister_Q> Tm_T: great :)
[13:01] <ogra_> pitti, i would say yes, but the final word should be sil2100's
[13:02] <ogra_> (probably at lunch)
[13:02] <sil2100> Uploads needed to the overlay?
[13:02] <sil2100> Let me backlog a bit
[13:02] <ogra_> sil2100, test fixes only
[13:03] <sil2100> pitti: the overlay PPA follows the same rules as the archive - we have strict requirements for QA sign-off, but if a package is not directly used in the touch images then it can be published directly by a core-dev as anywhere else :)
[13:03] <pitti> sil2100: syncing a wily package into the PPA (or uploading a ~vivid backport) for dbusmock
[13:04] <pitti> sil2100: right, for dbusmock (test dependency only, not on images)
[13:04] <sil2100> pitti: I would say it's safe to land, if anything goes wrong we'll see by tests failing ;p
[13:05] <pitti> sil2100: right -- or, in pete-woods's case - succeeding :)
[13:07] <pitti> pete-woods: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay/+sourcepub/5046790/+listing-archive-extra
[13:07]  * pitti bbiab
[13:08] <pete-woods> pitti: woot! thanks!
[14:14] <cwayne> mardy, pingaling, is there any way to use an account-plugin with 'password' method with libaccounts-glib?
[14:23] <ulrichard> Why can't I start the video player from the terminal like so :  mediaplayer-app video:///home/phablet/Videos/2015_SpeedFlyingAndermatt_phone.mp4
[14:31] <dobey> ulrichard: short answer: security. you can't run gui apps directly from the terminal due to the way confinement works.
[14:31] <ulrichard> dobey, are there any workarounds?
[14:32] <dobey> i'm not quite sure how to pass a url via cli
[14:32] <ogra_> you could start a local ssh server and ssh to localhost ... that might work (not sure if graphical output works that way though)
[14:33] <dobey> it needs to go through url-dispatcher, but i don't know how to do that via cli on the phone
[14:33] <dobey> ogra_: probably don't want to play video over ssh -X though :)
[14:33] <ogra_> no, not -X indeed :)
[14:37] <jgdx> bfiller, kenvandine, mpt, just kicked off a build for the apn editor. Look for 0.3+15.04.20150508-ppa3
[14:38] <kenvandine> jgdx, thx
[14:38] <jgdx> bfiller, should fix most of the focus issues.
[14:38] <kenvandine> jgdx, how about the active/preferred check?
[14:38] <jgdx> kenvandine, coming as soon as it's done
[14:38] <kenvandine> ok
[14:38] <kenvandine> thx!
[14:43] <dobey> ogra_: well, you can't connect to mir without going through the proper channels, whether you're using Terminal app, adb shell, or ssh.
[14:44] <ogra_> dobey, you only need socket access though
[14:45] <dobey> ogra_: yes, which is why you need the tools to launch apps
[14:45] <Elleo> ulrichard: mediaplayer-app /path/to/your/file.mp4 --desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/applications/mediaplayer-app.desktop
[14:45] <ogra_> well, mediaplayer works from adb
[14:48] <mpt> jgdx, what was the address of the PPA? I lost it when I closed the hangout
[14:50] <jgdx> mpt, http://ppa.launchpad.net/phablet-team/ppa/ubuntu
[14:51] <ulrichard> Elleo: That seems to work, but if I include video:// in the path, it starts the media player, and shows something like an hourglass. Without video:// It says opening the file failed.
[14:53] <jgdx> mpt, I'm not sure my instructions are good for this ppa
[14:54] <jgdx> mpt, hm, no they are. But you might have to also install the following packages: libqofono-qt5-0 qtdeclarative5-ofono0.2
[14:54] <jgdx> kenvandine, ^? Those are in the ppa you said
[14:55] <brunch875> Hello!
[14:56] <Elleo> ulrichard: does the video play when launched normally from the gallery/video scope?
[14:57] <ulrichard> yes
[14:57] <Elleo> ulrichard: not sure what's up then, pretty sure I've played videos that way when testing in the past
[14:58] <jgdx> kenvandine, active+preferred thing done
[15:04] <kenvandine> jgdx, they are in the same ppa
[15:48] <elopio_> mzanetti: https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/reminders-app/update_token/+merge/258646
[15:50] <mzanetti> elopio_, \o/
[15:50] <mzanetti> elopio_, will wait for jenkins to run over it, then approve. thanks so much
[15:53] <elopio_> mzanetti: I couldn't confirm that all the tests pass, my machines gets crazy. But at least the new token is valid. Ping me if you see something weird.
[15:53] <mzanetti> ack
[16:20] <sturmflut2> What are the other advantages of phablet-shell besides using the correct terminal size and optionally copying the .bashrc?
[16:23] <ogra_> it supports everything ssh supports ... like ctrl chars in nano ;)
[16:24] <ogra_> (which adb doesnt, it doesnt integrate with termcap at all)
[16:24] <sturmflut2> Ah, that's a good point
[16:27] <sturmflut2> ogra_: Hm, the Ctrl chars also work with "adb shell" here.
[16:28] <ogra_> in nano ?
[16:28] <sturmflut2> ogra_: Jep
[16:28] <ogra_> try to edit something and exist
[16:28] <ogra_> exit
[16:28] <cwayne> nah, try to exist :P
[16:28] <sturmflut2> haha
[16:29] <sturmflut2> ogra_: Okay, this is strange. I start nano, edit the text, press Ctrl+x, tell it to save the modified buffer, and when it comes to the filename, I can't press "Enter" at the end.
[16:30] <ogra_> right
[16:30] <ogra_> thats adb :)
[16:30] <sturmflut2> Geniuses: Only at Google
[16:58] <sturmflut2> ogra_: Any known problems/disadvantages with phablet-shell?
[18:08] <kenvandine> jgdx, bfiller, mpt: libqofono is now published for vivid in the overlay, so i deleted it from the phablet-team PPA
[18:53] <jgdx> kenvandine, awesome
[20:41] <AZby> Tcastihola buenas
[20:43] <AZby> pues alguien sabe porque el móvil se queda buscando wifi y no cambia a 3G... El aquaris ubuntu
[20:43] <AZby> ?
[20:44] <AZby> hay algunas cosas que no van del todo bien y me gustaría saber si a alguien le pasa lo mismo
[20:45] <AZby> no?
[20:45] <AZby> nadie?
[20:45] <AZby> 😐
[20:45] <jgdx> AZby, not everyone in here speak Spanish.
[20:47] <AZby> sorry
[20:49] <jgdx> AZby, I see wifi and 3g. Are you describing this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1435328
[22:03] <Tm_T> hi, I have issues installing click now
[22:03] <Tm_T> which blocks whole ubuntu-sdk install http://paste.ubuntu.com/11032622/
[22:06] <OerHeks> Tm_T, maybe answer #3 is any help ? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2276928
[22:09] <Tm_T> OerHeks: oo thanks your google-fu was mightier than mine
[22:09]  * Tm_T is stuck with lynx
[22:09] <OerHeks> I just found it with the last part, "Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/click_<IP_ADDRESS>_amd64.deb"
[22:10] <OerHeks> maybe worth a bugreport ?
[22:10] <Tm_T> yeah
[22:31] <belkinsa> Hello all, the Ubuntu Touch version 15.04 r2 image number 20150413 on Nexus 7 doesn't allow me to download and install updates after a system update.
[22:44] <mark32> planning to install ubuntu touch on nexus 7 , also have a slimport connector with me, will I get the ubuntu desktop on my external display when I connect the nexus 7 with ubuntu to the display ?
[22:45] <mark32> nexus 7 2013*
[22:45] <belkinsa> Oh, mine is  Nexus 7 2013 also
[22:47] <mark32> belkinsa: any idea if desktop feature available on latest ubuntu touch
[22:47] <mark32> ?
[22:47] <belkinsa> I don't know, I'm a new user of Ubuntu Touch too.


[00:25] <ubuntu_> Hello, how can I change the File Manager icons to details please?  I've searched about 5 results on this and checked File Manager preferences but it's proving to be a complicated process?
[00:27] <ubuntu_> Amazing, ubuntu docs talk about it, but don't show any navigation path? https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/nautilus-preview.html.en
[00:27] <Bashing-om> ubuntu_: Depends - please tell the channel what flavor and release you are running.
[00:31] <ubuntu_> Bashing-om, I'm running Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS.
[00:32] <EriC^^> ubuntu_: there should be a button in the right top corner i think, next to the down arrow
[00:34] <ubuntu_> EriC^^, yes, I've looked there in the Preferences, however nothing intuitive or obvious how to change from icons to details?
[00:35] <EriC^^> not the preferences, there's a button to the left of the arrow that has the caption 'show list'
[00:36] <ubuntu_> EriC^^, ah, thank you, that finally solved that epic.
[00:36] <EriC^^> ubuntu_: no problem
[00:38] <Bashing-om> ubuntu_: A Turorial on the file manager: https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/files.html.en#common-file-tasks
[01:35] <svm_invictvs> Using the ubuntu docker image, what's a command that can just test for a connection to another service?
[01:35] <svm_invictvs> like, curl hostname.com
[01:35] <svm_invictvs> something very simple
[01:36] <rbox> what do you mean "service"
[01:36] <docchi77> *, depending on what you need to test connection to curl itself could be sufficient
[02:14] <webchat68> Hello
[02:14] <webchat68> Hello
[02:14] <webchat68> I need help
[02:15] <webchat68> I need solution for Nouveau driver error in Ubuntu
[02:15] <Bashing-om> !ask | webchat68
[02:16] <webchat68> What is solution for Nouveau driver error in Ubuntu?
[02:18] <Bashing-om> webchat68: Share the error in a pastebin - give us something to work with :D
[03:14] <stacy> hi all i recently bought a used laptop  2 in 1 (lenovo yoga 12) on the lenovo  sit about that version  it talk about linux , so i guess they have some version sol wiht linux (ubuntu and som ewiht fedora)iplan on  making a dual bouot (windows linux ) on it  what ubuntu flavor woul work best with a converting  2 in 1 laptop
[03:17] <wontfix[m]> The latest version possible.
[03:17] <Liowenex> stacy, Just regular Ubuntu tbh
[03:27] <stacy> Liowenex, ok sowihtthe regular version the touch screen will work  and so will  the pen?thanskcause some site said  ubuntu mate other ubuntu unity  that why i said  ill log on this chat and ask
[03:28] <stacy> Liowenex, Thanks forthe help
[03:28] <stacy> i get the laptop next week
[04:34] <bobdobbs> I'm running ubuntu 22.04 as my main desktop machine. At some point I installed docker, but I don't remember how I did it. I want to remove it.
[04:35] <bobdobbs> 'apt purge docker' tells me that docker isn't installed.  But I aspire not to be a dolt.
[04:40] <Bashing-om> bobdobbs: Any hints ' apt policy docker ; snap find dicker ' ?
[04:40] <Bashing-om> docker*
[04:40] <bobdobbs> all good, I think. I uninstalled the binaries with dpkg
[04:41] <bobdobbs> then, like a semi-dolt, I went aroudn manually removing data
[04:44] <juno__> I'm looking for a laptop under $600 that can run ubuntu 22.04 with at least 8GB of memory and 256GB SSD. Any suggestions?
[04:51] <matsaman> juno__: whereabouts are you geographically?
[04:51] <juno__> matsaman, US
[04:52] <matsaman> ok let's see
[04:52] <matsaman> I mean, for starters, any chromebook that you can both 1) change the OS on [some make this easy, some hard] and 2) access & upgrade memory slots/m.2/storage slots on
[04:53] <matsaman> you could easily buy a really cheap chromebook (<$200), upgrade the ram & storage for cheap, and swap the OS
[04:53] <matsaman> also chromebooks' default OS, Chrome OS, actually uses the Linux kernel, so in a real way the hardware is designed for Linux
[04:53] <matsaman> downside: you encourage Google =P
[04:54] <matsaman> damn, are low end chromebooks $50 now? =P
[04:54] <juno__> matsaman, yeah I thought about that. Was hoping to find something a bit more ready made. I was looking at the HP Envy x360 but some people are saying there are wifi issues.
[04:55] <matsaman> yeah you'll be able to find something readymade
[04:55] <matsaman> for slightly more money (but less effort)
[04:55] <juno__> I currently have an HP laptop and the wifi doesn't work on the newest kernel. I have to load up an old kernel every time I start it up
[04:55] <matsaman> what kinda screensize you want?
[04:56] <juno__> 14 inches FHD
[04:56] <matsaman> newest or newest? =)
[04:57] <juno__> Anything after version 5.11.0-46 wifi doesn't work
[05:01] <matsaman> what's the wifi hardware?
[05:01] <matsaman> regressions happen, and sometimes drivers are fully deprecated and replaced with others
[05:02] <juno__> matsaman, how do I check it? I think it's RealTek or something
[05:02] <matsaman> juno__: probably lspci or lsusb
[05:03] <matsaman> or lshw if you want to get overkilly
[05:03] <matsaman> I'd bet this issue is fixable
[05:03] <matsaman> HP uses really common ordinary cheap but functional parts
[05:03] <juno__> I've been trying for like a year to fix this. Would be nice
[05:04] <matsaman> and, honestly, I've never run into a laptop I couldn't get the wifi to work on. I know they exist, especially in the past, but still
[05:04] <juno__> lshw, what am I looking for?
[05:05] <matsaman> wireless, network, and so on
[05:05] <matsaman> Here's BestBuy for 8gb (not necessarily 8gb or higher), 250+ storage, new: https://is.gd/oziluq
[05:06] <matsaman> if you get a new one, you can just boot a live OS, check it works, and if it doesn't, return it
[05:06] <matsaman> you can even backup Windows or set up a dual boot, make sure a to-metal install works, and if it doesn't, undo your changes and return it
[05:07] <matsaman> bestbuy, walmart, staples, office depot, they'll all have really good deals all the time, online & locally
[05:07] <juno__> Yeah that's what I think I'll do with the HP Envy
[05:07] <juno__> I don't see the brand in that network section
[05:07] <matsaman> what about like, lspci | grep -i net
[05:08] <juno__> Network controller: Intel Corporation Device a0f0
[05:09] <juno__> I do see this though: Unassigned class [ff00]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTS522A PCI Express Card Reader (rev 01)
[05:10] <matsaman> juno__: maybe just pastebin all of lspci
[05:10] <matsaman> shouldn't be anything sensitive in there =P just hardware
[05:11] <juno__> matsaman, https://pastebin.com/duXtkHs3
[05:13] <matsaman> juno__: okay how about lspci -n
[05:13] <matsaman> juno__: erm, -nn, even
[05:13] <matsaman> such a weird app =P
[05:13] <juno__> Looks about the same
[05:14] <matsaman> yeah but I want the ids
[05:14] <matsaman> they're more specific
[05:14] <juno__> matsaman, https://pastebin.com/TbAMQA25
[05:15] <matsaman> juno__: okay and if you lspci -k | less, what driver does it say is in use for the intel network controller
[05:16] <juno__> Kernel driver in use: iwlwifi
[05:18] <matsaman> mmm maybe this: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=268094
[05:20] <juno__> So clone the kernel, change the line, and compile and install?
[05:21] <matsaman> mmmmmmmm
[05:21] <matsaman> oh yeah we're in #ubuntu
[05:21] <matsaman> yeah that seems a reasonable suspicion, based on the last comment
[05:22] <matsaman> more ... discussion at that referred to fedora bug
[05:22] <matsaman> red hat* bug
[05:23] <matsaman> if that's the issue, I think it just means they haven't mapped this particular offering in the series to the driver in the linux upstream
[05:23] <matsaman> so if it works, a pretty easy fix, and eventually probably they'll fix it in upstream linux
[05:23] <juno__> How do I fix it? I've never done this before. ::removes panties::
[05:23] <matsaman> which is, honestly probably always what a "my wifi doesn't work after version foo" bug was going to be about
[05:23] <matsaman> hurr
[05:24] <matsaman> I haven't done it on Ubuntu, let's see
[05:24] <matsaman> this would probably work: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel
[05:25] <matsaman> if you have um, zcat /proc/kconfig.gz
[05:25] <matsaman> that's your running, existing kernel config
[05:25] <matsaman> and you can just copy it to build a new kernel from sources
[05:25] <juno__> I think this is way beyond my understanding. I write Java for a living. I've never touched metal before
[05:26] <matsaman> nah it's not a big deal
[05:26] <juno__> What are the risks here? Bricking the machine?
[05:26] <matsaman> it's easier on the distro I'm on, but it's just a process
[05:26] <matsaman> nah
[05:26] <matsaman> what you do is...
[05:28] <matsaman> you might want to customize GRUB's config a little
[05:28] <matsaman> https://askubuntu.com/questions/532238/how-do-i-customize-the-grub-menu
[05:30] <matsaman> the worst conceivably that could happen is that you configure GRUB to only be easily aware of one kernel and that kernel is so without support for your hardware that it won't boot, and you have to fix that from a live OS which is easy
[05:31] <juno__> matsaman, it's ok. I'll keep the old kernel for now. When I get the new laptop I'll test the wife on 22.04
[05:31] <juno__> wifi*
[05:31] <alkisg> juno__: what's the output of this? dpkg -l | grep iwlwi
[05:31] <matsaman> if you want a new laptop anyway, yeah, makes sense
[05:31] <juno__> No output
[05:32] <alkisg> OK, and I assume dkms status also shows no output?
[05:33] <juno__> virtualbox, 6.1.38, 5.11.0-46-generic, x86_64: installed
[05:33] <juno__> virtualbox, 6.1.38, 5.15.0-71-generic, x86_64: installed
[05:33] <alkisg> OK. In which kernel version it works, and in which it doesn't? And I assume you haven't tested with the latest 5.19 kernel, right?
[05:34] <juno__> 5.11 works. Others don't. Latest I have tried is 5.15
[05:34] <alkisg> You can try this: sudo apt install linux-generic-hwe-22.04
[05:35] <juno__> I'm on 20.04 and I don't think I've gotten a newer kernel through apt upgrade
[05:35] <alkisg> This gives you the 5.19 kernel that most ubuntu 22.04 installations have
[05:35] <alkisg> Ah sorry I thought you were on 22.04
[05:35] <alkisg> Then you'd want the opposite, sudo apt install linux-generic
[05:35] <alkisg> That would give you the 5.4 kernel, but it would be still maintained, receiving security updates etc
[05:36] <juno__> I can try that
[05:36] <alkisg> (Ubuntu LTS versions get two separate kernel series, the generic and the hwe)
[05:36] <juno__> Let me reboot and see if it works
[05:36] <juno__> brb
[05:41] <junebug> Well that was interesting alkisg. Screen was super dark and the mouse didn't work at all but I had wifi
[05:41] <junebug> Had to switch back to the old kernel to come on here though
[05:41] <alkisg> When you do such tests, run: sudo dmesg >~/test1.txt
[05:42] <alkisg> Then when you're back online, upload the outputs of dmesg, it'll help with kernel module issues
[05:42] <alkisg> But if you're moving to a different hardware, you can also just stick with 5.11 till then :D
[05:42] <junebug> Yeah prob easier
[05:42] <junebug> What security risks should I be aware of though?
[05:46] <alkisg> Well you'd be affected by all of the recent kernel vulnerabilities
[05:46] <alkisg> So if you do want to spend some time in getting it to work in a maintained kernel, it would be better
[05:46] <alkisg> ...in which case, do what I mentioned with dmesg
[05:47] <junebug> alkisg, I'll probably try live usb 22.04 on this laptop
[05:47] <junebug> Maybe it will be fixed there
[05:48] <alkisg> I.e. if you upload dmesg-5.4, dmesg-5.11 and dmesg-5.15, we could possibly pinpoint something to solve one of the issues
[05:48] <alkisg> Sure, but try 22.04.2 which has 5.19, not any older version
[05:49] <junebug> 22.04.2 is the newest?
[05:53] <alkisg> Yes, the newest LTS version
[05:55] <junebug> Thanks
[07:16]  * tMH is gone. nsf
[07:17] <silv3r_m00n> hi there, is it possible to write a simple standalone executable in C for linux/ubuntu and when user downloads it, double-clicking it runs it and it encrypts all files in the home directory. what protection mechanism does linux have against such a ransomware
[07:23] <matsaman> silv3r_m00n: none worth bothering with
[07:23] <matsaman> the solution to end users being really silly, on any OS, is for them to not be
[07:24] <silv3r_m00n> matsaman: i have data on external ssds/hdds all are directly writable from my ubuntu desktop user account
[07:24] <matsaman> silv3r_m00n: keep backups
[07:24] <matsaman> you need to do that regardless of ransomware existing
[07:24] <matsaman> you could also practice some separation of permissions & access
[07:26] <silv3r_m00n> okay, so in theory it is possible to write such a standalone portable C executable program that can download on a ubuntu system and atleast modify the home directory in undesirable ways
[07:26] <belst> I don't think downloaded files are +x by default
[07:26] <belst> might be wrong about that tho, but I always had to set the flag explicitly
[07:27] <silv3r_m00n> belst: is it something that chrome/firefox does ?
[07:28] <matsaman> silv3r_m00n: that a silly end user can voluntarily download and voluntarily run, yes
[07:28] <matsaman> silv3r_m00n: that's possible on every OS in the world
[07:29] <matsaman> files that download _themselves_ and run _themselves_? That's really rare on any contemporary OS, and GNU/Linux would easily trend to being the best about avoiding it
[07:29] <matsaman> moreover, ransomware by its very nature generally targets weak links and popular OSes and their implementations
[07:29] <matsaman> you can run an "antivirus" program on GNU/Linux if you want, and have it scan every download, even automatically
[07:30] <matsaman> and known ransomeware apps will be flagged
[07:38] <tarzeau> matsaman: the knife is not dangerous in itself, it's the user of it
[07:40] <matsaman> yeah kinda
[07:40] <matsaman> knives actually are dangerous =P
[07:40] <matsaman> but silly users of knives are moreso
[09:27] <nima> lo
[10:27] <LarsErikP> anyone here know anything about the packaging of ceph in jammy-updates? Would be nice to have the new 17.2.6 version =)
[10:49] <koffeinfriedhof> LarsErikP: stable distributions do not provide newer versions. That's why they are called stable. If you need newer versions for specific packages you can use PPA, snap, AppImage, flatpak, docker,compile yourself… whatever provides it.
[10:52] <p3lim> after installing ubuntu desktop, is there a cloud-config file generated from the options specified during the installation somewhere?
[11:01] <LarsErikP> koffeinfriedhof: so, hypothetically - what happens if it turns out that ceph 17.2.5 has a critical security issue which is fixed in a newer version?
[11:06] <koffeinfriedhof> LarsErikP: Depends on the possibility to backport it and if there is a maintainer for doing so.
[11:09] <LarsErikP> okok. wast just curious
[11:09] <koffeinfriedhof> LarsErikP: https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/c/ceph/ceph_17.2.5-0ubuntu2/changelog shows you what happened to the package. Basicall applying patches from debian maintainers.
[11:11] <koffeinfriedhof> The "cherry picking" is backporting. But this does not work in every case. Some bugs are also related to a higher version. This really depends on the package itself and there can't be a general rule.
[11:12] <LarsErikP> I see. Actually this is the current version: https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/c/ceph/ceph_17.2.5-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>/changelog but I get the point
[11:13] <koffeinfriedhof> This is the version provided in jammy-updates and newer (kinetic, lunar, mantic)
[11:13] <LarsErikP> right. that's the one we're currently using
[11:13] <koffeinfriedhof> → https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=ceph
[11:14] <LarsErikP> my case is that I have a 17.2.6 cluster running on focal; and no upgrading to jammy is impossible since that version is not available, and you can't join a 17.2.5 ceph-mon to a cluster where everything else is 17.2.6
[11:14] <LarsErikP> and now*
[11:16] <koffeinfriedhof> The official way is: remove every non-ubuntu-package, dist-upgrade and reapply needed changes. In your case it would be installing a new release, manual switch to .6 as you did in focal and migrate your stuff after everything is setup. (sounds easy, but isn't)
[11:16] <LarsErikP> not worth it :P
[11:16] <koffeinfriedhof> Nope. Better stick to repo-versions in this case.
[11:17] <LarsErikP> We'll just keep it at focal for now, until there is a version we can use on both focal and jammy
[11:17] <LarsErikP> I guess ceph will build 18.x.x for jammy i.e
[11:32] <Guest76> Hier en marchant dans les rues, j’ai aperçu un mec plutôt canon. Arrivé à mon niveau je l’ai salué il m’a répondu en me regardant avec hésitation de haut en bas mais tout deux on ne s’est pas arrêté pour entamer la conversation
[12:12] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:15] <stefan_> ubuntu-unity
[13:41] <webchat47> Hello.  I just installed Ubuntu 23.04 server on a Raspberry Pi 3 A+.  My use case for this is to record audio from a USB microphone.  Unfortunately, the server does not detect the microphone.  Any ideas on what I can try?  Is this configuration just not possible with the Pi?  Any help would be appreciated
[13:42] <tarzeau> webchat47: so you open a terminal, type "dmesg -Tw" and unplug replug the usb microphone nothing happens?
[13:42] <tarzeau> webchat47: lsusb doesn't show it either? tried all usb plugs?
[13:44] <webchat47> Looks like it does see it after all
[13:44] <webchat47> [Fri May  5 13:44:04 2023] usb 1-1: USB disconnect, device number 2
[13:44] <webchat47> [Fri May  5 13:44:08 2023] usb 1-1: new full-speed USB device number 3 using dwc2
[13:44] <webchat47> [Fri May  5 13:44:08 2023] usb 1-1: New USB device found, idVendor=3142, idProduct=5060, bcdDevice= 1.00
[13:44] <webchat47> [Fri May  5 13:44:08 2023] usb 1-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=0, Product=1, SerialNumber=0
[13:44] <webchat47> [Fri May  5 13:44:08 2023] usb 1-1: Product: Fifine Microphone
[13:47] <webchat47> dmesg -Tw does show that it sees the microphone
[13:47] <webchat47> I'm using "arecord -l" to list devices and it is saying no sound card is found.  Looks like I just need to do some more research on arecord.  Thank you
[13:49] <webchat47> [Fri May  5 13:44:08 2023] usb 1-1: Product: Fifine Microphone
[13:49] <webchat47> [Fri May  5 13:44:08 2023] usb 1-1: Warning! Unlikely big volume range (=496), cval->res is probably wrong.
[13:49] <webchat47> [Fri May  5 13:44:08 2023] usb 1-1: [50] FU [Mic Capture Volume] ch = 1, val = 0/7936/16
[13:49] <webchat47> [Fri May  5 13:44:08 2023] input: Fifine Microphone as /devices/platform/soc/3f980000.usb/usb1/1-1/1-1:1.2/0003:3142:5060.0002/input/input1
[13:49] <webchat47> [Fri May  5 13:44:08 2023] hid-generic 0003:3142:5060.0002: input,hidraw0: USB HID v1.00 Device [Fifine Microphone] on usb-3f980000.usb-1/input2
[13:49] <WaV> !paste | webchat47
[13:50] <lubuntu> hello, my gpu is not working in my linux distro but is detected by the system, is anyone availible to help me out?
[13:50] <webchat47> https://dpaste.com/HK62FHJY2
[13:50] <tarzeau> so the "server" sees the hardware. it's just you must find the right software and right sound api software
[13:50] <tarzeau> i was ok with OSS, and ALSA. gave up aftewards
[13:51] <tarzeau> pulsewhatever and pipestuff
[13:51] <tarzeau> lubuntu: nvidia? which one? (see lspci |grep VGA)
[13:51] <tarzeau> lubuntu: i'm installing nvidia/cuda stuff with: https://github.com/alexmyczko/autoexec.bat/blob/master/config.sys/ubuntu-system-cuda
[13:52] <tarzeau> works like a champion got about 200 machines with that (nvcc, tensorflow, pytorch, biology/photogrammetry/physics stuff)
[13:52] <lubuntu> its amd and is detected with lspci "VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Baffin [Radeon RX 460/560D / Pro 450/455/460/555/555X/560/560X] (rev ff)"
[13:53] <tarzeau> haha, ok i've got two machines with amd 3d stuff, and i had to use the proprietary drivers to get it to work
[13:53] <lubuntu> it also shows my intergrated gpu which is the one that programs use when i run anything, and DRI_PRIME=1 glxinfo shows the IGPU aswell. not the DGPU.
[13:54] <tarzeau> i've got this one: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Raptor Lake-S GT1 [UHD Graphics 770] (rev 04)
[13:54] <tarzeau> i've added this repo: deb [arch=amd64,i386 signed-by=/usr/share/keyrings/intel-graphics.gpg] https://repositories.intel.com/graphics/ubuntu jammy arc
[13:55] <lubuntu> so you think drivers may be the issue?
[13:55] <tarzeau> and made sure that: https://dpaste.com/FFWDW5SSP
[13:55] <tarzeau> no idea. not familiar with non-nvidia gpu. but maybe
[13:55] <ivan_> hello, is there any reason why i dont have firefox in lubuntu on internet section ? iso is valid from lubuntu website
[14:00] <lubuntu> at any attempt of amd_gpu installs im greeted with this https://dpaste.com/6WNMKFGJ2
[14:26] <braga><PHONE_NUMBER>
[14:36] <usercruser> Hello
[14:42] <ravage> lubuntu, does the documentation tell you to enable i386 architecture maybe?
[14:43] <ravage> or run it with --no-32
[15:12] <pycurious> https://github.com/konstruktoid/hardening - is this a dependable repository? I know that the pro version of ubuntu comes with some hardening scripts. How do those compare with this one? Any suggestions?
[15:17] <sgen> Hello, Im trying to upgrade from ubuntu 18 to 22. Since its such a jump I've backed up my old OS and am trying to wipe, then install 22 on the old partition
[15:17] <sgen> Its a dual boot setup.
[15:17] <sgen> I am trying to select "Device for bootloader installation" however when I select '/dev/sda' "Install Now" is disabled
[15:18] <sgen> Its my understanding that I want GRUB on sda. Any idea why the installer wont let me install to /dev/sda?
[15:23] <alkisg> sgen: for example, it's possible that you are booted in uefi mode, yet your disk is mbr
[15:24] <alkisg> sgen:  (sudo lsblk -fe7; sudo ls /sys/firmware/efi) | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:24] <sgen> alkisg: That might be it
[15:24] <alkisg> What's the output of that? ^ Include the parenthesis in the commands
[15:26] <sgen> https://termbin.com/r359x
[15:27] <sgen> alkisg: https://termbin.com/r359x
[15:29] <sgen> Im not sure how to figure out if Im on uefi mode from that output
[15:34] <sgen> So 22 doesnt support mbr?
[15:41] <EriC^^> sgen: something else is amiss, it should be fine for /dev/sda for uefi and mbr
[15:42] <EriC^^> sgen: can you take a screenshot of your partition layout in the installer
[15:42] <EriC^^> did you set a partition as "/" ?
[15:47] <sgen> How would I access the screenshot I just took?
[15:48] <sgen> Im typing this from a laptop beside the desktop Im trying to upgrade
[15:48] <EriC^^> sgen: it's probably in ~/Pictures
[15:48] <EriC^^> ah
[15:48] <EriC^^> no internet on the desktop?
[15:48] <sgen> theres internet
[15:49] <EriC^^> look in ~/Pictures
[15:49] <EriC^^> upload to imgur.com
[15:49] <sgen> Okay. How do I access ~/Pictures from the Install Menu?
[15:49] <EriC^^> oh i see
[15:50] <EriC^^> try ctrl+alt+f2
[15:50] <sgen> that gets me a terminal
[15:50] <sgen> ty
[15:50] <sgen> Whats the default login?
[15:50] <EriC^^> ubuntu and just hit enter for the password
[15:51] <sgen> ok
[15:51] <sgen> The screenshot is in ~/Screenshots
[15:51] <sgen> Now how can I upload it? Launch gnome?
[15:53] <akik> sgen: curl -F<EMAIL_ADDRESS>https://0x0.st/
[15:56] <sgen> https://0x0.st/HZTG.png
[15:56] <sgen> EriC^^, akik ^
[15:57] <sgen> akik: ty
[15:57] <sgen> learning a lot about uploading things from the command line today
[15:57] <EriC^^> same here
[15:57] <EriC^^> sgen: you want to wipe the whole disk and install only ubuntu on it?
[15:57] <akik> sgen: i also have a function to use for termbin if you're interested
[15:58] <EriC^^> akik: i'm interested :D
[15:58] <sgen> It needs to be Dual boot sadly. Until Adobe gets proper linux support
[15:58] <EriC^^> sgen: i see
[15:59] <EriC^^> ok, unfortunately in the pic the sda5 one isnt showing
[15:59] <EriC^^> if you lower down abit or expand the window
[15:59] <sgen> akik: also interested
[15:59] <sgen> EriC^^, will do
[15:59] <EriC^^> do you see next to the ext4 mountpoint as "/"
[15:59] <EriC^^> no need for pic
[16:00] <EriC^^> see if the mountpoint is set to "/" and "format" is selected if you want to erase it and install the new ubuntu there
[16:01] <EriC^^> sgen: probably best to double click it, select ext4 and mountpoint "/" in the installer
[16:01] <sgen> Restarting the installer to get out of terminal
[16:01] <sgen> second
[16:01] <EriC^^> wait
[16:01] <akik> EriC^^: https://paste.linux.chat/?8c533251040067a9#7YaQBjGpacyNGRpbKEwzo9TnLZJDNwxs6ihNPJgEh36e to use it, it's just "grab_termbin command" and it grabs both the command and its output
[16:01] <EriC^^> press ctrl+alt+f7
[16:01] <EriC^^> sgen:
[16:01] <EriC^^> that should take you back to the gui installer
[16:02] <sgen> Too late already back to the installer lol
[16:02] <EriC^^> or f1 possibly
[16:02] <EriC^^> ok
[16:02] <akik> EriC^^: and it also shows the output in the shell
[16:03] <EriC^^> akik: nice, thanks :)
[16:05] <sgen> so /dev/sda5 is there and that is where the current Ubuntu 18 partition resides
[16:05] <sgen> I set it to mount as /
[16:06] <sgen> Thats probaby it
[16:06] <sgen> And this wont overwrite the Windows 10 Installation?
[16:07] <sgen> The installer didn't seem to reognize Windows 10 as being installed
[16:08] <sgen> Im going to backup windows just in case
[16:08] <sgen> EriC^^, akik, alkisg thyvm
[16:09] <EriC^^> sgen: np remember to select format as well
[16:09] <sgen> Will do!
[16:23] <vlm_> is there a way to add a comment to ipset from iptables rule "-j SET --add-set someset" aslong as the set has comments enabled?
[16:24] <hans_> seems im hitting this exact bug on 22.04: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/s390-tools/+bug/1978323
[16:24] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1978323 in s390-tools-signed (Ubuntu Kinetic) "cmsfs-fuse fails to mount file systems on Ubuntu 22.04 with error unknown option(s): '-o hard_remove'" [Medium, Fix Released]
[16:25] <hans_> but it says "fix released" for 22.04 there.. and my system is fully updated
[16:25] <hans_> there it says fix for 22.04 was released 2022-07-06
[16:26] <hans_> sshfs -o transform_symlinks -o follow_symlinks -o allow_other -o hard_remove root@<IP_ADDRESS>:/ waterboi_lan
[16:26] <hans_> fuse: unknown option(s): `-o hard_remove'
[16:27] <hans_> any idea how i can hit that bug on a fully 22.04 when the bugtracker says fix was released 8 months ago? should i fill a new bug? or
[16:28] <hans_> fully updated 22.04*
[16:28] <oerheks> That fix must be hanging in 'proposed'  i guess
[16:28] <wontfix[m]> Is your hostname theme "Bad Adam Sandler films" ?
[16:29] <hans_> wontfix[m]: no, but it's my only watercooled system (all the others use air/fan cooling) and.. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[16:32] <akik> hans_: you're also using a s390 system?
[16:33] <hans_> akik: no, x86_64
[16:34] <akik> hans_: it looks like it's only fixed for s390-tools
[16:34] <hans_> oh
[16:37] <MadMattMan> Hi there everyone in ubuntu IRC land!
[16:37] <pycurious> https://github.com/konstruktoid/hardening - is this a dependable repository? I know that the pro version of ubuntu comes with some hardening scripts. How do those compare with this one? Any suggestions?
[16:39] <oerheks> pycurious, it was last updated 20 hrs ago, so it is active, no clue how it holds on 22.04. there are tons of such pages and githubs
[16:40] <oerheks> just take a read on https://github.com/konstruktoid/hardening/blob/master/systemd.adoc to get the idea
[16:47] <jhutchins> This hardening system is also fairly old and is somewhat RedHat oriented, but very good on theory: http://www.trinityos.com/LINUX/index-linux.html
[16:48] <oerheks> jups, there are tons of them
[16:54] <cybernoized> HELL o
[17:09] <alprolife> w
[17:13] <wontfix[m]> Does the Ubuntu seed blacklist apply for build depends, the final product or both?
[18:12] <murlidhar> hi all. how can i enable/disable my touchpad with a command line ?
[18:13] <murlidhar> xinput isn't working since we have shifted towards xwayland server
[18:15] <murlidhar> earlier we could do xinput disable idno
[18:36] <sigmazer> sdfasad
[18:36] <sigmazer> hello
[18:52] <murlidhar> hello. can anyone tell me how to pastebin an output from terminal. i forgot the app that does it.
[18:52] <murlidhar> i think it is installed by default
[19:13] <vlm> murlidhar: could it be pastebinit ?
[19:16] <murlidhar> vlm: i don't remember. someone a while back gave me a command. it just created a link and pasted back the link to share.
[19:17] <oerheks> ~termbin
[19:17] <oerheks> !termbin
[19:18] <vlm> murlidhar: echo ubuntu | pastebinit
[19:18] <oerheks> ls | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:19] <vlm> murlidhar: my suggestion included the username maybe rather try oerheks suggestion
[19:19] <murlidhar> oerheks: how to use it ?
[19:19] <oerheks> <your command> | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:19] <oerheks> nc is installed
[19:20] <murlidhar> ah okay thanks
[19:22] <murlidhar> oerheks: i did that and no link was provided
[19:23] <oerheks> it can take 30 sec
[19:24] <murlidhar> sudo apt get upgrade | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:25] <murlidhar> this should give the output to a pastebin ?
[19:25] <murlidhar> just a test
[19:26] <murlidhar> WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts.
[19:26] <murlidhar> E: Invalid operation get
[19:26] <oerheks>  (sudo apt update) | nc termbin.com 9999 as it need some time
[19:27] <oerheks> the brackets make it wait until completed
[19:27] <oerheks> local actions are swift
[19:36] <murlidhar> murlidhar@murlidhar-laptop:~$ (/home/murlidhar/test.sh) | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:36] <murlidhar> bash: /home/murlidhar/test.sh: cannot execute: required file not found
[19:36] <murlidhar> murlidhar@murlidhar-laptop:~$
[19:37] <murlidhar> oerheks: nope . this isn't working for reasons i don't know
[19:38] <murlidhar> also i did chmod 750 and still the script isn't running giving this error that required file not found
[19:40] <oerheks> cat /home/murlidhar/test.sh  | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:45] <murlidhar> oerheks: https://termbin.com/qf3n
[19:45] <murlidhar> oerheks: well i am not able to run this script
[19:46] <murlidhar> oerheks: actually trying to append a hotkey for disabling/enabling the touchpad of my laptop
[19:47] <oerheks> i see ..
[19:47] <murlidhar> xinput was easy i mean i got that with some help. it was a learning curve
[19:48] <murlidhar> xwayland is way different
[19:50] <wontfix[m]> It's in the name
[19:51] <tirixta> Sex in a Minecraft world? It is more than possible! Read the spellbinding tale of Justin Bieber, Mariah Carey, and an English teacher from Regina who meet up, have a threesome, and even make hot pockets!  The Minecraft pigs oink with pleasure as they watch the orgy from their pigsty!  Read all about it today! https://justpaste.it/MariahCareyMinecraftALHotPocket
[20:32] <biug> what's proper way to install virtual machine on D drive? (windows)
[20:32] <biug>  i installed once, but it doesn't work when launching , it works fine with C drive
[20:49] <sgen> So having realized how to select a root partition, I have installed ubuntu 22
[20:49] <sgen> Im now trying to restore my backup from last night
[20:49] <sgen> However backup doesnt recognize it
[20:50] <sgen> Any idea how I can trouble shoot that?
[20:50] <sgen> nvm
[21:02] <Snardbafulator> Rosie O'Donnell gets feces shoved in her pussy Hot Pocket style in Tijuana by a famous Mexican folk singer!  Read all about it here! https://justpaste.it/PesoPlumaAlabamaHotPocket
[21:21] <mybalzitch> are they hoping to get justpaste.it taken down?
[21:28] <ornery> Coco Madison, Iker, and Brayan all have a diarrhea threesome at the Charleston Place Hotel on Mayday in 2023. Coco, a negro tranny, and Iker with Brayan, two hot sexy cholo mayates, have diarrhea fun on their trip to Charleston! https://justpaste.it/Charleston_Place_Shitshow
[21:34] <tweak> hi all. been trying to figure out how to get my mute button LED working for about a week now... any ideas? Soundcard is ALC236, using a laptop, kubuntu 23.04
[21:41] <ggerig> Coco Madison, Iker, and Brayan all have a diarrhea threesome at the Charleston Place Hotel on Mayday in 2023.  1. can't get the mute button (f6) LED light to work at all. 2. Numlock for sddm i can't get to work either, even with numlockx. sddm actually requires i press numlock twice to get it to turn on.


[16:56] <scott-work> hi, scott lavender here, ubuntu studio project lead. i believe community council meeting is scheduled to begin in 5 minutes?
[16:56] <pleia2> scott-work: yep :)
[16:56] <knome> no, four minutes.
[16:56] <pleia2> knome: well, we never do start on time ;)
[16:56] <knome> awwh
[16:56] <scott-work> unfortunately i need to be in a meeting at work at the same time, i will ask someone from #ubuntustudio-devel to attend or can xubuntu possible go first and i believe i should be in thirty minutes
[16:57] <knome> we can go first.
[16:57] <pleia2> ok
[16:57] <scott-work> *should be BACK in thirty minutes
[16:57] <scott-work> thank you knome and pleia2
[16:57] <pleia2> scott-work: the more the merrier, so if someone from #ubuntustudio-devel could come in AND you rejoin us in 30 minutes it would be great :)
[16:57] <pleia2> that way someone can start if you don't make it back quite on time
[16:58] <czajkowski> Aloha
[16:58] <knome> hey cjohnston
[16:58] <knome> urm, czajkowski too
[16:58] <cjohnston> :-(
[16:58] <knome> sorry! :)
[17:00] <pleia2> #startmeeting
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[17:00] <czajkowski> aloha
[17:00] <pleia2> hello everyone, welcome to the first Community Council meeting of the year :)
[17:00] <Gwaihir> hello!
[17:01] <pleia2> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[17:01] <pleia2> nothing on the agenda except for our scheduled check ins with the Xubuntu and Studio teams, but at the end of the meeting we'll go through our todo list and then ask for any other feedback/issues/topics anyone wishes to discuss
[17:02] <pleia2> #topic Xubuntu check-in
[17:02] <knome> \o/
[17:02] <pleia2> knome: for these meetings we just try to get a pulse for teams, see if there is any way we can help, any particular challenges
[17:02] <pleia2> so, how's Xubuntu? :)
[17:03] <knome> hehe, well
[17:03] <knome> following the agenda page loosely, here's some things i think we are (or should be proud of):
[17:03] <knome> the progress on last cycle on many many community-related things
[17:04] <knome> including, but not limited to:
[17:04] <knome> revised strategy document
[17:04] <knome> many marketing initiatives
[17:04] <knome> new offline documentation
[17:04] <knome> many improvements on our website and social media outlets
[17:05] <knome> and progress towards a bigger team/community
[17:07] <knome> i should probably specifically mention sean (bluesabre), who's been a huge help working with various things that directly and indirectly improve the quality of xubuntu
[17:07] <knome> i'm hoping and waiting to see him be involved as much in the future and probably take a bigger role if that suits his life/work :)
[17:08] <knome> does somebody from the xubuntu team or community want to add something?
[17:08] <czajkowski> wow that is impressive knome
[17:08] <knome> thanks :)
[17:09] <knome> last cycle was definitely community-heavy for xubuntu
[17:09] <czajkowski> knome: how have you managed to get people involved, as you couldnt be doing all this on your own :)
[17:10] <YokoZar> Innumerable charms ;)
[17:10] <knome> pleia2 has been awesome!
[17:10]  * pleia2 switches to xubuntu hat for a moment
[17:10] <pleia2> part of it has been we seem to have more users because some people are looking for a more classic desktop
[17:10] <knome> (we don't have xubuntu *hats* yet...)
[17:11] <pleia2> so more users means more of a pool to draw from contributor-wise
[17:11] <czajkowski> nods
[17:11] <knome> yep, we've been getting more questions about how to contribute mainly on our mailing lists
[17:11] <pleia2> we've also been trying to fix up some of our getting involved documentation, last cycle in particular with our documentation rewrite, the core team was regular people on the project, but we got some newcomers too by making it easy for them to help out
[17:12] <knome> yup, that worked out really well!
[17:12] <pleia2> I've also been giving bite-size website tasks to some people looking to help (have some screenshots for updating the website in my queue from a new contributor)
[17:12] <knome> i think we are looking at one or two new (semi-)regular contributors now thanks to the documentation rewrite process
[17:13] <pleia2> knome: how are things going this cycle?
[17:13] <czajkowski> pleia2: great idea
[17:13] <knome> things are starting slowly, but steadily
[17:14] <knome> we haven't done any team reports yet (ugh), but we'll start doing them soon enough i hope
[17:14] <knome> we should start testing the new things that sean (mentioned previously) have been preparing for us
[17:14] <YokoZar> I'm curious if some of the changes in Ubuntu's style of development have affected you in a positive way
[17:14] <YokoZar> For instance the big new emphasis on automated testing
[17:15] <micahg> adding autopkgtests would be nice, but I don't think we've done much with that yet
[17:15] <knome> we've been looking at automated testing and wondering if we can use them in the future (hopefully for next LTS)
[17:15] <YokoZar> My hope was that this would result in, for instance, less breakage for derivatives when we change core packages since those would be caught
[17:15] <micahg> I think the -proposed migrations have kept the ISOs building though which is a good thing
[17:15] <knome> there's not too many things that xubuntu specifically can test with autotests, i think
[17:16] <YokoZar> micahg: That at least is great :)
[17:17] <knome> i think one of the questions for xubuntu for this and the forthcoming cycles is ISO space
[17:17] <knome> we're still trying to fit on a CD, and there's some uncertainty if the ubuntu core extends so much we have no chance of doing that
[17:18]  * pleia2 nods
[17:18] <micahg> we're also stuck with multiple python and gtk stacks for the next 2 cycles most likely
[17:18]  * cprofitt waves
[17:18] <cprofitt> sorry for being a bit late
[17:19] <knome> we ended shuffling the ISO and dropping a lot of things in the last cycle
[17:19] <czajkowski> knome: is there a plan then for that ?
[17:19] <knome> czajkowski, not a definite plan yet
[17:19] <knome> we'll see how the situation looks as we go
[17:20] <pleia2> cprofitt: welcome
[17:20] <knome> and before coming to definite conclusions, we need to investigate what we *can* drop if needed
[17:20] <knome> micahg has been working on that with me
[17:21] <knome> (mostly him though)
[17:22] <knome> as always, more intercommunication would most probably make it easier
[17:22] <pleia2> sounds like things are going well :)
[17:23] <knome> here he is ^
[17:23] <bluesabre_> here I am
[17:23] <bluesabre_> :)
[17:23] <pleia2> bluesabre_: any comments about the current state of xubuntu? :)
[17:24] <bluesabre_> Not really, I think we've got a good focus on quality and user experience
[17:25] <czajkowski> does sound like you have a well thought up plans and good active community
[17:25] <czajkowski> which is great to see
[17:25] <knome> that's true, we aren't targetting on too many new features for R, but focusing on keeping the quality up
[17:25] <czajkowski> nods
[17:25] <czajkowski> that seems like a sensible plan
[17:26] <cprofitt> like to hear the focus on quality and user experience.
[17:26] <knome> and of course, we plan to keep looking good so we'll attract more users.
[17:26] <knome> here's our artwork lead ochosi ;)
[17:27] <pleia2> (but not by filling up our CD with tons of wallpapers ;))
[17:27] <ochosi> just wanted to ask whether "looking good" is my queue
[17:27] <knome> no, not that, we don't have space for that... :)
[17:27]  * scott-work is back and thanks everyone for their patience with my schedule
[17:28] <pleia2> ok, unless anyone else has anything to add, we'll move on to Ubuntu Studio
[17:28] <pleia2> thanks knome, micahg, bluesabre_ and ochosi :)
[17:28] <knome> ta!
[17:28] <czajkowski> thank you
[17:28] <cprofitt> thanks knome micahg bluesabre_ and ochosi
[17:28] <pleia2> #topic Ubuntu Studio check-in
[17:29] <pleia2> scott-work: for these meetings we just try to get a pulse for teams, see if there is any way we can help, any particular challenges
[17:29] <pleia2> successes, progress :)
[17:29] <scott-work> thank you pleia2
[17:29] <cprofitt> hey scott-work
[17:30] <scott-work> development has been slightly restrained lately, however i would attribute that directly to be and my lack of recent involvement
[17:30] <scott-work> hi cprofitt !
[17:30] <scott-work> generally i have been the one to pursue our action items and keep pushing things
[17:31] <scott-work> that isn't to say that all development has stopped because people like zequence (ne ailo or ailo.at) and len have been pushing things along with micahg 's assistance
[17:31] <scott-work> i'm not aware that the council could provide any assistance at this time, but i also admit that i may be lacking in perception or knowledge as well ;)
[17:31] <scott-work> ..
[17:32] <pleia2> does the team have regular meetings?
[17:32] <cprofitt> how does the team track action items?
[17:32] <pleia2> I find it's easy for team members to drift apart when there isn't constant meetings to keep focus and remind of outstanding items
[17:32] <scott-work> the team has not been holding regular meetings. i would say that has dropped off during my limited activity, pleia2
[17:33] <scott-work> cprofitt: typically we use status.ubuntu.com to track items
[17:33] <pleia2> even once a month helps for some of the teams I'm on
[17:34] <czajkowski> scott-work: would it be helpful if people rotated a chair so if you're not there the meeting still can go on ahead and there is a sense of still meeting and getting things done
[17:34] <scott-work> generally i would posit that while there are more active members on the team we still do not have a strong, persistent nucleus for such critical mass
[17:35] <micahg> I think zequence represented Studio pretty well at UDS
[17:35] <scott-work> czajkowski: i agree. we have done so in the past with limited and varied results
[17:35] <scott-work> micahg: agreed. he is a very capable person with good vision
[17:35] <YokoZar> Is there any cause for concern?
[17:35] <czajkowski> scott-work: it may be an idea to try it again if not an hour meeting but a half hour, touch base and a check up and see do folks need a hand
[17:37] <scott-work> YokoZar: excellent question. when assumed project lead i viewed the team/project as dying. i think we have made exceedingly good progress from that point. i am quite proud of what he have done. however, i do not hold an active concern for the project, but i am aware how easily it could slip back without continued stewardship
[17:37] <scott-work> czajkowski: that is very good suggestion. thank you :)
[17:38] <scott-work> we have tried informal meetings on IRC, but the scattered nature of time zones is unfortunately not conducive to comprehensively or completely productive meetings as such
[17:38] <czajkowski> scott-work: if we can help, let us know
[17:38] <scott-work> thank you for the offer, czajkowski
[17:38] <czajkowski> scott-work: even if it's boucning ideas off someone else we're here to help
[17:38] <knome> from a semi-insider point of view, i think ubuntu studio has some good momentum, but it definitely won't hurt to keep checking how things are
[17:39] <knome> we're having some cooperation between xubuntu and ubuntu studio since we both use xfce
[17:40] <scott-work> my personal feeling at this point is that ubuntu studio needs active stewardship and vision. we made huge strides up to, and including, 12.04. since then i have been variably inactive and i feel the project has suffered because of this. this project is especially important to me and i am beginning to recommit myself to seeing ubuntu studio develop into what i believe it can be
[17:40] <scott-work> knome: thank you for your comments. i also share the feeling that the cooperative between xubuntu and ubuntu studio has been incredibly rewarding and i look forward to continuing our relationship :)
[17:40] <scott-work> thank you again czajkowski  :)
[17:41] <czajkowski> No problem
[17:41] <scott-work> one particular probelm i think we face is one of defintion
[17:41] <scott-work> the team has previously defined our target audience but i feel we didn't commit with an entirely whole heart
[17:42] <scott-work> especially when you couple this with some of our current promotional statements
[17:43] <scott-work> i am hoping to really clarify the mission of the project and _exactly_ who are target audience
[17:43] <scott-work> this cycle ( i should have added ;) )
[17:43] <pleia2> the Strategy Document for Xubuntu has helped us a ton: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/StrategyDocument
[17:43] <pleia2> makes expectations clear for developers, new contributors and users
[17:43] <knome> definitely.
[17:44] <scott-work> pleia2: i actually have a paper copy of that setting next to me right now! hehe, it has been an exceedingly good reference for me
[17:44] <pleia2> :)
[17:44] <scott-work> i think this is all that i have at this time, unless others have questions
[17:45] <cprofitt> I think it sound like things are going in the right direction scott-work
[17:45] <pleia2> I think I'm good
[17:45] <czajkowski> I'm good also
[17:45] <scott-work> thank you cprofitt :)
[17:45] <knome> one thing you might want to (re)consider is how the leadership structure works in US
[17:45] <czajkowski> thanks scott-work
[17:45] <cprofitt> the target audience and mission will help
[17:45] <cprofitt> thanks scott-work
[17:45] <scott-work> thank you also pleia2 czajkowski
[17:45] <pleia2> thanks scott-work :)
[17:45] <scott-work> knome: that is another task i am schedule to complete this cycle
[17:46] <knome> that sounds good. i think that helped xubuntu (or at least me as the project lead)
[17:48] <knome> scott-work, feel free to be in touch with me if you need any help with the strategy document or any of that stuff
[17:48] <scott-work> knome: thank you! i will certainly take you up on that :)
[17:48] <pleia2> #topic Any other business
[17:48] <knome> np
[17:49] <pleia2> I think the CC todo list is still looking pretty lean post-holidays
[17:49] <pleia2> does anyone else have anything to bring up?
[17:49] <czajkowski> it is up to date
[17:49] <YokoZar> nope
[17:50] <pleia2> ok, next meeting is February 7th where we are looking to meet with the DMB and Docs teams
[17:50] <czajkowski> nods
[17:50] <pleia2> I can take care of post-meeting wiki things in a bit
[17:51] <scott-work> thank you pleia2 , knome , czajkowski cprofitt YokoZar micahg
[17:51] <knome> thanks everybody
[17:51] <pleia2> I think that's it then :)
[17:51] <pleia2> thanks everyone
[17:51] <scott-work> does anyone know where i might find out information about the upcoming uds?
[17:51] <pleia2> scott-work: no news yet
[17:51] <scott-work> i need to schedule vacation from work
[17:51] <YokoZar> Thank you
[17:51] <czajkowski> pleia2: thanks for chairing.
[17:51] <scott-work> :(
[17:51] <pleia2> I don't think the dates have even been announced :(
[17:52] <scott-work> has it been confirmed that it is in the US at least?
[17:52] <pleia2> I don't think so
[17:52] <pleia2> jono: any UDS updates? people are starting to need to schedule time off and we don't even know *when* it is :)
[17:53] <jono> pleia2, funny you should say that, the contract was just signed
[17:53] <pleia2> \o/
[17:53] <jono> so I will be getting an announcement out on Monday
[17:53] <pleia2> great, thanks!
[17:53] <jono> it will be early May and in Oakland
[17:53] <jono> I am just waiting on the website to be updated and reg form set up
[17:53] <scott-work> jono, do you have literally a minute for quick pm?
[17:53] <pleia2> excellent!
[17:54] <jono> scott-work, I have a min, but a meeting in 5 mins
[17:54] <pleia2> (too bad I'll be soaking up the sun somewhere tropical, w00t honeymoon)
[17:54] <pleia2> ok, thanks everyone
[17:54] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[17:54] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Jan 17 17:54:23 2013 UTC.
[17:54] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-01-17-17.00.moin.txt
[17:54] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-01-17-17.00.html
[17:54] <jono> pleia2, oh no, shame you won't be there, but glad you will be honeymooning :-)