[01:23] <Risitide> When i was updating kubuntu 15.04,the plasma crashed.And after updating, I rebooted the systeam.It just showed a blackscreen only with a mouse.Is it  a driver problem?
[01:23] <Risitide> I'm using GTX970
[04:24] <these_eyes> Why isnt empathy salut registering on mdns?
[04:31] <Cay> Hey Kubuntu friends
[04:31] <Cay> any guesses why plasma just stops responding?
[04:31] <Cay> (is kde now called plasma)
[04:31] <Cay> ?
[04:31] <Cay> I can't left click or right click on anything on the desktop, this would be okay if I was given a konsole
[04:32] <these_eyes> Cay bad headache? Low electrolyte?
[04:32] <Cay> apparently
[04:32] <Cay> it's doing it both on my laptop and desktop
[04:32] <Cay> 15.04
[04:33] <these_eyes> Try asprin?
[04:34] <Cay> sadly, I don't believe that will cure what ailes me
[04:34] <Cay> throwing my server from the balcony might help, but I just finally got passed the bios forcing me to overclock my processor
[04:35] <Cay> (no seriously, it was running at 4.1ghz instead of 3.1ghz so if it spun up to 90% cpu usage it'd cook itself and crash)
[04:35] <these_eyes> What is the symptoms?
[04:36] <Cay> Boots up, logs in fine, once in I simply can't left or right click on anything but mouse and keyboard still respond
[04:36] <Cay> (I can't ctrl+alt+f1 though, it crashes trying to switch between X and text mode)
[04:37] <Cay> I do however have ssh installed
[04:37] <these_eyes> There's more to it than heat there's electrical differences.
[04:38] <Cay> these_eyes, in regards to the voltage on the cpu, yeah the bios was out of date with a bug. I was 8 revisions behind
[04:38] <Cay> it's all good now
[04:38] <these_eyes> It can cause errors.
[04:39] <Cay> Eh, I'd agree but it's happening on my laptop too
[04:39] <Cay> which is clocked fine
[04:40] <these_eyes> Cay can you send for guns?
[04:40] <Cay> rm -rf ~/.cache/* seems to work as a temporary stop gap
[04:41] <these_eyes> I keep tellung them to open carry.
[04:41] <these_eyes> They just make noises.
[04:42] <these_eyes> "We call police."
[04:46] <these_eyes> Every citizen can open carry.
[04:47] <Cay> come on man, if you are going to try to troll put more than 10% effort into it
[04:47] <Cay> that's gotta be the laziest trolling I've seen in awhile
[04:48] <these_eyes> Load up about 10 phone lines.
[04:48] <these_eyes> On sip.
[04:48] <Cay> careful, you might be chatting long distance
[04:49] <Cay> don't want to pay international fee's for chatting on irc
[04:49] <these_eyes> Not text.
[04:49] <these_eyes> Fish dont eat text.
[04:50] <Cay> but dolphins with lasers, those eat tasty texts
[04:50] <these_eyes> Cay it isnt a troll it is a call to open carry.
[04:50] <these_eyes> I want to see open carry on my daily walks.
[04:50] <Cay> go forth young man, challenge the world. Just avoid those dolphins
[04:50] <Cay> they are scary little guys
[04:53] <these_eyes> Some modulation changed recently.
[04:54] <Cay> I think I'm showing my age, so I shall bid adieu before it becomes obvious just how old I am
[04:54] <Cay> Good night, and thanks for all the fish.
[04:54] <these_eyes> It hurts plazma.
[04:56] <these_eyes> Hiding age, hmph
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[06:52] <SDEF> Hi, small issue installing Kubuntu for the first time... Can anyone help me ?
[06:54] <SDEF> Downloaded Kubuntu 15.04 iso, then unetbootin to create a USB Install
[06:54] <SDEF> All went well, but when I am lbooting the laptop again, it is stuck on Kubuntu splash screen...
[07:36] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:58] <svend-ev> Good morning
[08:01] <lordievader> o/
[08:14] <hiall> hallo all!
[08:16] <hiall> which ubuntu version should i use,  which one is stable
[08:17] <hiall> sorry kubuntu ;-)
[08:19] <hiall> is plasma desktop not stable ? before i have some troubles
[08:19] <lordievader> If you want stable go with the LTS (14.04).
[08:25] <hiall> in 15.04 gives interesting features
[08:26] <lordievader> Yes, if you want new stuff go with 15.04.
[08:28] <hiall> is 15.04 stable enough to work with kontakt and standard programs.
[08:29] <lordievader> Haven't tried Vivid in awhile, can't tell. I guess it is stable though ;)
[08:32] <hiall> ok, i jump, to kubuntu with 15.04 because i hate windows so much
[08:36] <hiall> also i hate UEFI secure boot, it make it very hard to install kubuntu.
[09:14] <Intel_HD> js
[09:33] <andreas> someone here u cant help me with GNUsocial ?
[10:35] <hiall> back
[10:44] <LogicalDash> The update manager applet keeps telling me I have 2 upgrades available, but when I click Upgrade it says my software is up to date...
[11:11] <Xavi92> I'm using Kubuntu 12.04 Precise, but I'm missing some packages from the repository
[11:11] <Xavi92> I can't find libsdl2-dev
[11:12] <lordievader> !info libsdl2-dev
[11:12] <lordievader> !info libsdl2-dev precise
[11:12] <lordievader> Xavi92: I guess Precise is too old to have it.
[11:12] <Xavi92> But apparently Precise is still supported until 2017, isn't it?
[11:12] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:13] <lordievader> Xavi92: Yes, but that doesn't mean everything is backported to it.
[11:13] <Xavi92> Hmmm
[11:13] <Xavi92> How could I get this package without updating the whole thing?
[11:15] <lordievader> Xavi92: Depending on how integrated this library is you might backport it manually (install the deb of trusty/vivid), however this is not recommended and might break ~everything.
[11:16] <Xavi92> Probably
[11:16] <Xavi92> Apart from that, libsdl2-dev depends on lots of other packages which I don't have, either
[11:16] <lordievader> Xavi92: Likely easier to upgrade to trusty.
[11:17] <lordievader> !info libsdl2-dev trusty
[11:17] <Xavi92> Hmm I'm using Precise on a netbook, Trusty is way too heavy for it
[11:17] <lordievader> How so?
[11:21] <Xavi92> Well, I tested it for a few days and it worked pretty slow
[11:22] <TJ-> Xavi92: Probably you're referring to the compositor load
[11:23] <lordievader> You could switch to LXDE or XFCE.
[12:38] <sheytan> Hey. I'm using 15.04 with the latest nvidia driver, but can't get sound through HDMI. On Nouveau driver is the same. even if i set in phonon settings to play sound through HDMI, it doesn't. I installed the pulse audio volume controll app and it says that Digital Stereo HDMI is unplugged. What can i do? I was reading alot of articles on the Web, but nothing helps ;/
[13:06] <BluesKaj> sheytan,  open alsamixer and make sure your spdif ctl is enabled and unmuted as well as the pcm ctl, those 2 digital ctls feed the hdmi audio out
[13:08] <BluesKaj> sheytan,  also in alsamixer disable the automute with the up or down arrow key
[13:12] <Guest13855> Hi everybody..I am new to kubuntu......I have some basic knowledge of python programming.....is there any option for me to get involved?
[13:15] <mparillo_> Guest13855: I think so. For example, I believe the installer for Kubuntu is written in python, as is much of the build automation. Best place to offer would be #kubuntu-devel, but I expect things are quiet there until Monday.
[13:19] <Guest13855> mparillo_: in kubuntu dev page I have seen that I should have a mentor....is there any standard process for that?
[13:24] <mparillo_> Not that I know of. Basically from what I have seen, you join #kubuntu-devel, say what you know, and (if you have one, your preferred itch to scratch) and somebody replies with a matching need (often their preferred itch), and it goes from there.
[13:25] <mparillo_> But generally you will be asked to join Launchpad.net, sign the code of conduct and upload your keys.
[13:26] <mparillo_> If the itch turns out to be upstream, you may also be asked to create a KDE identity.
[13:28] <Guest13855> So can I can approach anyone there for help?
[13:32] <ahoneybun> Guest13855: you can ask for help to "scratch the itch" if that's what you mean
[13:32] <BluesKaj> kind of quiet there today
[13:32] <ahoneybun> yea it's sunday
[13:33] <Guest13855> Sorry I am new here...I am not habituated with the terms....can you please elaborate?
[13:41] <ahoneybun> Guest13855: most people are out for the day (I'll be out in a little bit)
[13:44] <mparillo_> Basically you offer what you know, and what you think you might want to work on (scratching the itch means some little thing that is bothering you that you might want to improve). Yes, you can introduce yourself and ask a question and if somebody is around who can help you will get a response. If you get none, maybe wait a couple of hours and ask again.
[13:44] <Guest13855> ok...thanks..
[13:44] <mparillo_> But if you have nothing particular you want to work on, just a general desire to help, then somebody might ask you to work on his/her perception of what needs improving.
[13:46] <yofel> Guest13855: first thing you'll want to hang around in #kubuntu-devel to see what's going during the day and get to know all the folks. You probably also want to subscribe to the mailing list and offer your help there, there you'll have a wide audience and reach even the people that aren't on IRC all the time
[13:47] <Guest13855> ok....these informations are very helpful....
[13:50] <yofel> Guest13855: well, we don't have much written down documentation (most is probably on the trello TODO lists https://trello.com/kubuntu). The best thing really would be to be in #kubuntu-devel, see what's going on, see if there's something you believe you can help with and offer your help for that
[13:50] <yofel> we're short before 15.10 release, so we esp. need help with QA
[13:56] <Guest13855> can please share some other information I need to know about the community?
[13:58] <TJ-> Guest13855: for 15.10 the list of bugs tagged for attention before release is at http://www.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-w-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:58] <TJ-> Guest13855: you might want to help out with additional triage, or even fixing some if they're trivial
[13:58] <BluesKaj> Guest13855,  https://trello.com/kubuntu , http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ , http://goo.gl/AOx7bx
[14:00] <kabuby> hi everyone
[14:01] <kabuby> I'm a newbie on kubuntu and I'm facing some problems during installation/configuration settings.
[14:01] <kabuby> Please can someone help me?
[14:01] <kabuby> I'm writing from Italy
[14:01] <kabuby> thanks in advance everybody
[14:02] <low_rider> What are your problems?
[14:02] <kabuby> I'm trying to install kubuntu 15.05
[14:02] <kabuby> I'm trying to install kubuntu 15.04
[14:02] <BluesKaj> kabuby,  tell us your problem in more detail, maybe we can help
[14:02] <kabuby> on a Thinkpad W530
[14:03] <kabuby> dual boot with efi with Windows 8.1
[14:03] <low_rider> What's going wrong?
[14:03] <kabuby> I'm having some big problem with
[14:03] <kabuby> Nvidia drivers
[14:03] <kabuby> this laptop has 2 video card
[14:03] <kabuby> Intel GMA4000 and Nvidia K2000N
[14:03] <kabuby> with optimus
[14:04] <kabuby> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:W530
[14:04] <BluesKaj> kabuby,  install nvidia-prime first otf all
[14:04] <kabuby> first try
[14:04] <kabuby> after install kubuntu just freeze after grub and with the logo in the center of the page
[14:04] <kabuby> I changed bios setting to discrete graphics and disable the intel one
[14:05] <kabuby> kubuntu start
[14:05] <kabuby> but when I try to run Driver Manager
[14:06] <kabuby> the driver manager app freeze when I try to check OpenGL section
[14:06] <kabuby> I've tried to download from Nvidia website the latest proprietary driver
[14:06] <low_rider> Do you have this certain problem only with Kubuntu?
[14:06] <kabuby> but install cannot continue due to plasma...I have to close plasma and run it from shell
[14:07] <kabuby> It's first time that I try to install linux on this laptop
[14:07] <kabuby> I've installed linux in other notebook and desktop pc
[14:07] <kabuby> but no one have this hardware configuration
[14:08] <kabuby> after the nvidia driver fail and I found an unofficiale driver "caught" from Driver Manager and try to install it
[14:08] <kabuby> but the system cannot complete the startup process.
[14:09] <kabuby> I read some forum around
[14:09] <BluesKaj> optimus systems require nvidia-prime on kubuntu , kabuby .... if you'll just stop typing and read for a minute
[14:09] <kabuby> and it seem it's a combination of 2 problem...official nvidia driver and acpi with nvidia
[14:09] <kabuby> ISorry bluska
[14:10] <kabuby> I was just telling all that I've done
[14:10] <kabuby> ok.
[14:10] <kabuby> how can i find/install nvidia-prime driver?
[14:10] <BluesKaj> it's in the repos/ package manager
[14:10] <kabuby> Sorry for mistipyng BluesKaj
[14:11] <BluesKaj> that's ok
[14:11] <kabuby> I just try to search for "nvidia-prime" in Muon discover
[14:12] <kabuby> but cannot find anything
[14:13] <BluesKaj> kabuby,  that's why use just plain muon, it's still better than the muon discover
[14:14] <kabuby> Sorry Blueskaj I cannot get it.
[14:14] <kabuby> I'm a really newbie
[14:14] <BluesKaj> nvidia-prime might be installed by default, depending on your kubuntu version
[14:14] <kabuby> I'm really a newbie
[14:14] <kabuby> ok
[14:14] <kabuby> How can I check it?
[14:15] <BluesKaj> which kubuntu did you install?
[14:15] <kabuby> 15.04
[14:15] <kabuby> x64
[14:16] <kabuby> kernel 19.0-28-generic
[14:16] <kabuby> xorg 1.17.1
[14:18] <BluesKaj> ok, after the nvidia logho flashes try ctl+alt +F1 - F6 which is a virtual terminal aka VT/TTY , login, then do sudo apt upgrade && sudo apt uipdate . Then sudo apt install nvidia-prime , then reboot
[14:18] <kabuby> I didn't see the nvidia logo during startup process
[14:19] <BluesKaj> ok do you get any blinking cursor or erro message
[14:19] <kabuby> i just saw once after I try to install the driver that device manager
[14:20] <lordievader> You want to reverse the order on the apt commands: sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[14:21] <BluesKaj> oops yes lordievader is correct kabuby sudo apt uipdate && sudo apt upgrade
[14:21] <lordievader> update* ;)
[14:22] <kabuby> ok
[14:22] <BluesKaj> yeah, my eyes abit foggy today ..allergies
[14:22] <kabuby> can I try via shell now
[14:22] <kabuby> or I need to reboot?
[14:22] <kabuby> what If I didn't see any nvidia logo?
[14:23] <BluesKaj> try now
[14:23] <kabuby> ok
[14:25] <MoonUnit`> in a fit of madness i updated the mobo bios today, after booting back into Wily i was shocked, shocked to discover the screen rotation still didn't work. imagine that.
[14:25] <MoonUnit`> updated the launchpad bug, i'll see what he suggests next.
[14:26] <BluesKaj> screen rotataion 90 degrees ?
[14:26] <kabuby> "sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade" return me <<unable to lock /var//lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11: resource tmeporarly not available)
[14:26] <kabuby> @MoonUnit the Bios is up to date
[14:27] <kabuby> mmm
[14:27] <kabuby> Update manager was running on background
[14:27] <kabuby> maybe this is the problem why the command was unsuccesfull
[14:28] <kabuby> I try after updates finish
[14:28] <BluesKaj> kabuby,  yes
[14:29] <kabuby> thanks in advance BluesKaj
[14:30] <BluesKaj> MoonUnit`, , if you have a regular BIOS I don't think there are many firmware changes since the shift to UEFI
[14:32] <kabuby> I need to restart...se you later.
[14:32] <Guest13855> I was checking Linux desktop environments and found that kde is most resource hungry...how much RAM do I require for kubuntu 15.04?
[14:33] <lordievader> Guest13855: How much do you have?
[14:34] <BluesKaj> 1Gb is recommended minimum, but it's not realistic
[14:35] <Guest13855> Currently running on a lenovo b40....CDC/2GB RAM
[14:35] <lordievader> Guest13855: Would run fine on there, if you don't multitask a lot.
[14:36] <kabuby> back
[14:37] <kabuby> I try again
[14:39] <kabuby> "udo apt update && sudo apt upgrade" some repository return an error 404 not found
[14:39] <kabuby> but most are ok
[14:39] <kabuby> proceed with nvidia-prime install
[14:41] <BluesKaj> sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[14:41] <kabuby> yes
[14:41] <kabuby> installation complete
[14:44] <kabuby> how can I check if everything it's ok?
[14:45] <BluesKaj> you can run startx or reboot
[14:46] <kabuby> ok
[14:46] <kabuby> see you later :)
[14:46] <BluesKaj> think you should check your bios and re-enable the intel gpu if you disabled it
[14:46] <kabuby> and thanks again
[14:46] <kabuby> ok
[14:47] <BluesKaj> thank me if you get a dektop :-)
[14:47] <BluesKaj> desktop even
[14:51] <kabuby> I'm back...
[14:51] <kabuby> BluesKaj you're safe :)
[14:53] <kabuby> information center on OpenGL section still freeze
[14:53] <kabuby> I know it's not a real test
[14:54] <kabuby> How can I check if the driver is loaded correctly?
[14:54] <lordievader> kabuby: lspci -k|grep -A3 VGA
[14:56] <kabuby> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09)         Subsystem: Lenovo Device 21f5         Kernel driver in use: i915 00:14.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family USB xHCI Host Controller (rev 04) -- 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GK107GLM [Quadro K2000M] (rev a1)         Subsystem: Lenovo Device 21f5 02:00.0 System per
[14:56] <kabuby> both intel and nvidia driver are shown
[14:56] <BluesKaj> yup
[14:56] <lordievader> !paste
[14:57] <lordievader> This is unreadable. I am not sure if the nvidia driver is loaded or not.
[14:57] <kabuby> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12591304/
[14:57] <kabuby> ok?
[14:58] <BluesKaj> you can get a shorter output if you you have mesa-utils installed and use the command, glxinfo | grep OpenGL
[14:58] <lordievader> Nope, no nvidia driver loaded.
[14:58] <lordievader> Or nouveau for that matter.
[14:58] <BluesKaj> lordievader,  it won't load until required afaik
[14:59] <BluesKaj> kabuby,  install mesa-utils
[14:59] <lordievader> That sounds very strange. But I have no experience with hybrid systems (luckily).
[14:59] <kabuby> true lordievader...luckily
[15:00] <kabuby> ok
[15:00] <kabuby> sorry for my incompetence but...how can I install mesa-utils?
[15:00] <kabuby> I try "sudo apt-get mesa-utils"
[15:00] <kabuby> with no success
[15:01] <TJ-> I thonk some hybrid GPU systems disable (in firmware) all but the PCI config space. So we get the device listed but the driver doesn't load since the GPU IOMEM mapping BARs aren't present
[15:02] <kabuby> maybe I can try to disable the intel vga
[15:02] <BluesKaj> sudo apt install mesa-utils
[15:02] <BluesKaj> don't disable anything
[15:02] <kabuby> Yes..
[15:02] <kabuby> i get it through google :)
[15:03] <kabuby> done
[15:03] <BluesKaj> ok, glxinfo | grep OpenGL
[15:03] <kabuby> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12591363/
[15:03] <kabuby> here is the result
[15:03] <kabuby> fu%£"%$£%ng intel video card
[15:04] <kabuby> I try to enable nvidia card and disable the intel
[15:04] <kabuby> and reboot
[15:04] <kabuby> ok?
[15:04] <BluesKaj> oops wrong command
[15:05] <kabuby> ???
[15:07] <BluesKaj> dpkg -l | grep nvidia
[15:07] <kabuby> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12591391/
[15:07] <kabuby> sudo lshw -c video
[15:07] <BluesKaj> then dpkg -l | grep intel , the i915 driver should show
[15:09] <BluesKaj> lshw shows the hardware
[15:09] <kabuby> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12591402/
[15:10] <BluesKaj> kabuby,  do you still have the intel gpu turned off in the BIOS
[15:11] <kabuby> no
[15:11] <kabuby> as you told me I enable the Optimus settings
[15:12] <kabuby> that mean the system "decide" which graphic card has to be enabled
[15:12] <kabuby> I would like to try to exclude the Intel GMA and enable oinly the Nvidia driver
[15:12] <kabuby> and try if the nvidia-prime driver load correctly
[15:12] <kabuby> ok?
[15:14] <BluesKaj> check your bios , kabuby , make sure the intel is still in use
[15:15] <BluesKaj> the intel driver handles the lighter loads, then the nvidia takes over for the heavier stuff using the switcheroo
[15:28] <kabuby> the intel is active
[15:28] <kabuby> both graphic card are active
[15:28] <kabuby> but it seems nvidia is not working
[15:28] <kabuby> and only intel is
[15:29] <kabuby> running
[15:29] <kabuby> I will try to disable it
[15:29] <kabuby> and see if the nvidia-prime driver load correctly
[15:29] <kabuby> if this work I will re-enable intel video card
[15:29] <kabuby> and look for switching funcionality
[15:30] <kabuby> functionality
[15:31] <kabuby> see you later
[15:37] <kabuby> back again
[15:37] <kabuby> situation get worst
[15:42] <ZeroEra> How do I update from 14.10 LTS to 15.04?
[15:43] <ZeroEra> How do I update from 14.10 LTS to 15.04?
[15:44] <lordievader> ZeroEra: First change the setting to allow to upgrade to non LTS releases.
[15:44] <lordievader> Then upgrade.
[15:46] <ZeroEra> I've done that. I get an error message saying "An update from trusty to vivid is not avaible with this tool"
[15:49] <alxd> hello, how can I open debug / logs for kubuntu installer on live usb?
[15:50] <lordievader> ZeroEra: What does 'sudo do-release-upgrade' do?
[15:51] <ZeroEra> I get the same message
[15:52] <lordievader> !eolupgrade
[15:52] <lordievader> Perhaps ^ is why.
[15:54] <mparillo> ZeroEra: I would not recommend it unless you should be giving advice here. 14.04 LTS and 14.10 (non-LTS, but the main edition) were Plasma 4. 15.04 was Plasma 5, and even the 14.10 Plasma 5 Tech Preview upgrade to 15.04 was unsupported (probably because it did not come close to working well).
[15:54] <Guest13855> kubuntu will work out of the box in ubuntu preinstalled laptops?
[16:00] <ZeroEra> Thanks for your advices
[16:54] <BluesKaj-phone> testing the mobile irc client
[16:54] <sheytan> BluesKaj: the SPDIF is enabled but the volume is down and i can't change it with the up/down arrows
[16:54] <BluesKaj> which volume ctl, sheytan?
[16:55] <BluesKaj-phone> phone client worms
[16:56] <BluesKaj-phone> works
[16:56] <sheytan> BluesKaj http://i.imgur.com/w4HOn0D.jpg
[16:57] <BluesKaj> sheytan,  the pcm determines the spdif volume
[16:58] <sheytan> BluesKaj: So it's enabled, right?
[16:58] <sheytan> and volume is up
[16:58] <sheytan> and it should work?
[17:00] <BluesKaj> sheytan,  yes just make sure your output in system settings>phonon devices shows spdif and hdmi out
[17:02] <BluesKaj> sys settings >multimedia
[17:02] <sheytan> BluesKaj: http://i.imgur.com/ULaPjB6.jpg
[17:02] <sheytan> no matter which one i choose, there's still no sound through hdmi
[17:03] <sheytan> but, pavucontrol shows HDMI Digital Output (unplugged). Why unplugged?
[17:03] <unique_> can anyone here tell me how to reset timer on screen saver?
[17:03] <BluesKaj> sheytan,  is it plugged into the target device ?
[17:04] <sheytan> sure :D
[17:04] <BluesKaj> is the device turned on?
[17:04] <sheytan> I got the vision
[17:04] <sheytan> just no sound
[17:04] <BluesKaj> I have to ask
[17:04] <sheytan> i get it, but im not that noob :D
[17:04] <BluesKaj> is it a tv?
[17:04] <sheytan> yep
[17:05] <BluesKaj> maybe your sound setup on the tv ic still in analog, check your tv preferences and audio settings
[17:05] <sheytan> i did
[17:06] <sheytan> and it switches to HDMI automatically
[17:06] <sheytan> it's a new tv
[17:08] <BluesKaj> my panasonic needs to be setup according to the source which can be analog or digital
[17:08] <sheytan> Well, ill check that again :)
[17:55] <PadanFain> hi
[18:01] <mikkle> Any good qt5 music players that do global shortcuts?
[18:08] <unique_> can someone please check this pastebin link and tell me if I have a Genuine copy of Kubuntu?      http://pastebin.com/VXLtC05K
[18:17] <unique_> hello
[18:25] <BluesKaj> hi unique_
[19:24] <bwins> Hi, installed 15.10 beta2 and now can't seem to login to the desktop after updates, anyone else experience this problem?
[19:26] <BluesKaj> bwins,  do you get to a blinking cursor or error or what?
[19:27] <bwins> BluesKaj:  I can enter my password, cursor changes to an X but nothing more happens
[19:28] <bwins> I can ctrol-alt-f2 to a terminal window and that runs fine
[19:32] <BluesKaj> bwins, ok in the terminal/VT run sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade, then you'll see some packages install, run startx, and you should be able to get to the desktop after logging in
[19:39] <bwins> Blueskaj: I did a sudo apt-get update/upgrade but didn't try startx again, I did a reboot with no luck
[19:40] <bwins> I'll try startx if you think it might help
[19:40] <bwins> be back in a minute
[19:40] <BluesKaj> no startx won' help
[19:40] <bwins> ok
[19:41] <bwins> when first installed the desktop ran great, so there was an update that messed it up
[19:41] <BluesKaj> bwins,  which graphics gpu?
[19:42] <bwins> BluesKaj, intel graphics
[19:43] <bwins> intel HD 3000 graphics on Acer laptop
[19:49] <dajomu> Hi, anyone knows why I cannot find my NAS on my network using Dolphin? I am running Kubuntu 15.10, but I had the same problem on 15.04. I get the message "unable to find any workgroups on your local network" It works fine if I write smb:/"ipaddress"
[19:49] <bwins> BluesKaj, back in a few - will try a few things
[19:51] <lordievader> dajomu: Are you in the same workgroup? (This whole workgroup thing is a mess anyways)
[19:51] <BluesKaj> bwins,  try , sudo apt install xserver-xorg-video-intel
[19:51] <dajomu> lordievader: yes I am
[19:52] <lordievader> Hmm ,I guess you could add the smb link to your places.
[19:52] <lordievader> dajomu: ^
[19:52] <dajomu> lordievader: that is a solution, but I was interested in why it does not work
[19:53] <lordievader> dajomu: Perhaps a firewall somewhere, I guess a packet capture will tell you.
[19:53] <dajomu> lordievader: no firewall. I have no problems browsing to the nas using windoes
[19:53] <dajomu> windows
[19:53] <BluesKaj> dajomu,  try using dolphin>network>add network folder
[19:54] <dajomu> or android
[19:55] <dajomu> BluesKaj: thanks, that actually worked
[19:57] <dajomu> But it still is a bit irritating that Dolphin does not find it by scanning.
[19:58] <BluesKaj> dajomu,  never used any scan option in dolphin, never heard of it.
[19:59] <dajomu> BluesKaj: when you go to network, and then click or double-click network again it will scan for shared drives
[20:01] <dajomu> sorry, try click on samba shares instead. then it will scan
[20:05] <BluesKaj> I don't use samba much , prefer sftp for linux machines or the windows network drive for windows machines
[20:06] <lordievader> BluesKaj: The Windows network drive is samba ;)
[20:06] <lordievader> Samba is the reverse engineerd CIFS protocol, CIFS is used in Windows to share files.
[20:09] <BluesKaj> well it' s smab yes, but I don't have samba gui installed
[20:09] <BluesKaj> or smb even
[20:10] <lordievader> No need, samba is a protocol.
[20:18] <TJ-> samba is the F/OSS server project name
[20:23] <BluesKaj> I do agree about the windows homegroup , it's a mess since W7
[21:50] <ugly_cat> Hello, I have a boot issue.. I have two Linux distros installed. An old kubuntu one drive and another kubuntu on a newer drive. Problem is that it always tries to boot to into the older kubuntu.
[21:51] <ugly_cat> Shows the old kubuntu splash and then sits there with a black screen.
[21:51] <TJ-> ugly_cat: the PC BIOS/UEFI boot manager chooses which device to boot from
[21:51] <ugly_cat> It boots into grub fine though.
[21:52] <ugly_cat> Even when I select the newer kubuntu it shows the old splash.
[21:52] <ugly_cat> I have to go into the new kubuntu recovery and then select resume boot to get into the new one.
[21:59] <bprompt> hmmm
[21:59] <bprompt> ugly_cat:    did you ever remove the old installation? or both are there side by side?
[22:04] <ugly_cat> There side by side.
[22:05] <ugly_cat> I pretty much just use the old one as storage.
[22:05] <bprompt> ugly_cat:    why not just reformat it? :)
[22:06] <bprompt> ugly_cat:     that way it'll be actually a storage, and update-grub won't add it :)
[22:07] <bprompt> ugly_cat:    but I assume, you can just get rid of /boot in the old installation, and update-grub won't add it to the grub menu, but, I see no good reason to simply reformat it, and make your directories for storing files as needed
[22:07] <ugly_cat> I just deleted everything but my home dir... Which is lazy and probably not ideal
[22:07] <ugly_cat> Update-grub didn't add it though :D
[22:08] <bprompt> ok... so is not in the grub menu anymore
[22:09] <ugly_cat> Yeah, it's not there.  My impatience usually causes me hours more trouble.
[22:10] <bprompt> get some chamomille tea box of 20 bags or something :P
[22:11] <ugly_cat> I should
[22:11] <ugly_cat> How do I get myself out of this mess?  Because of her, I have to sit here like an animal!Serenity now! Serenity now! George: What is that? Frank: Doctor gave me a relaxation cassette. When my blood pressure getstoo high, the man on the tape tells me to say, 'Serenity now!' George: Are you supposed to yell it? Frank: The man on the tape wasn't specific.
[22:13] <bprompt> seinfeld episode :P
[22:13] <bprompt> ugly_cat:     so...  I understood you've fixed your issue, or so I read you
[22:14] <TJ-> ugly_cat: have you tried unplugging the old drive to ensure a clean boot on the 'new' drive, and after confirming that is OK, reconnecting the 'old' drive and removing its boot-loader boot-strap code from sector 0 (or if UEFI, removing its .efi boot-loader from the ESP) ?
[22:19] <ugly_cat> TJ-:  a lot of that went over my head. My mobo is uefi, but I'm not sure how to remove the .efi.
[22:21] <ugly_cat> I can get into a busybox (initramfs) prompt.
[22:21] <ugly_cat> But that's it.
[22:22] <ugly_cat> Whoa
[22:23] <ugly_cat> Pressed ctrl-d and I now have a bash prompt.
[22:23] <ugly_cat> Except it's read only...
[22:24] <TJ-> ugly_cat: UEFI is far easier to work with than legacy/BIOS boot method, if that's how the system is configured
[22:38] <ugly_cat> Is there an easy way to regenerate the boot folder.........
[22:40] <ugly_cat> Great, now I can't even get that bash prompt.
[23:19] <amundsen> hi
[23:20] <bprompt> allo
[23:20] <amundsen> some time ago, in summer, there were some rumours about 15.10 as the last kubuntu version
[23:20] <bprompt> k
[23:21] <amundsen> those problems finally get solved?
[23:21] <bprompt> sometime ago, there were some rumors also about a bigfoot mammal, with the name of "sasquatch", btw
[23:21] <bprompt> amundsen:     I never knew they existed to begin with
[23:22] <bprompt> wait... I think someone mentioned something a while ago, but for all we know, as good as the sasquatch story though
[23:23] <amundsen> ok
[23:24] <amundsen> thx for the info
[23:34] <KNRO> bprompt: Everyone knows sasquatch is real but no one knows about 16.04
[23:35] <bprompt> hehe
[23:35] <bprompt> yeah, sasquatch has been singing with Elvis over at vegas pretty sure =)


[10:38] <palhmbs> hey guys - I'm looking for a update.gif icon (an animated one)
[10:39] <palhmbs> I've looked in a few icons sets, but it seems to be missing.
[10:41] <thorwil> palhmbs: where do you have the name from?
[10:42] <thorwil> the only GIFs in /usr/share/icons here are ./hicolor/32x32/animations/softwarecenter-loading-installed.gif and ./hicolor/32x32/animations/softwarecenter-loading.gif
[10:42] <palhmbs> well the name _could_ be wrong - all I'm interested in is a moving web element that GPL really - to show the user that the item is being "updated"
[10:42] <palhmbs> thorwil, I have absolutely nothing in that directory :(
[10:44] <palhmbs> I've grepp'ed for gif's but none in the icons folder at all.
[10:44] <thorwil> grepped?
[10:44] <thorwil> find -name "*.gif"
[10:44] <palhmbs> yeah that
[10:46] <palhmbs> any ideas - is there any OSS site devoted to GPL icons ?
[10:48] <thorwil> you could use http://ajaxload.info/, though it just says free use
[10:49] <palhmbs> thorwil, yeah it's for a OSS web project - so I have to be able to verify the GPL.
[10:51] <thorwil> palhmbs: i doubt including what is essentially public domain in a gpl project will be an issue
[10:52] <thorwil> the gpl isn't even a good match for icons
[10:53] <palhmbs> well I tried slipping in a tick mark to show progress on a UL list - and got asked where the icon came from - ended up having to use an openclipart.org one :(
[10:53] <thorwil> palhmbs: you could look into the source tree of a gpl project that uses such a loading animation, as it might end up baked into the binary, i guess
[10:54] <thorwil> or create one yourself
[10:55] <palhmbs> that's a thought - but I think I'll try slipping past the ajaxload one for now... at least that page says it's "free"
[10:55] <thorwil> oh, and you can extract softwarecenter-loading.gif from a package
[10:56] <thorwil> it's listed for http://pkgs.org/ubuntu-10.10/ubuntu-updates-main-i386/software-center_3.0.8_all.deb.html
[10:57] <palhmbs> I look into that, & thanks for your thoughtfulness - it'd be nice if we OSS web developers had a central repository of this sort somewhere!
[10:59] <thorwil> you're welcome. you mean a central multi-icon-set repository?
[11:00] <palhmbs> yeah, just for different free license based stuff. - That has an awesome index / search capability - easy to use and find things, and has _almost everything_
[11:00]  * palhmbs dreams on.
[22:14] <aced125> hey guys
[22:16] <aced125> any1 there?


[10:48] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[14:40] <ChinnoDog> Anyone booting with /boot on an encrypted partition?
[14:57] <icey> ahoy
[15:25] <jthan> ChinnoDog: I do
[15:25] <jthan> Wait
[15:25] <jthan> I have
[15:25] <jthan> I don't anymore because it was a pita and not worth it
[15:25] <jthan> because chances are nothing on /boot is /that/ important anyway
[15:28] <icey> jthan: I think the idea behind encrypting /boot is to protect the OS area, ie: if I get ahold of your computer and you haven't gotten /boot encrypted, I could muck with the environment itself
[15:29] <jthan> but if / is still encrypted
[15:29] <jthan> your data is protected still
[15:29] <icey> until I give you a bad kernel?
[15:29] <ChinnoDog> That and it is annoying to randomly run out of space on /boot
[15:29] <jthan> What's a bad kernel going to do?
[15:29] <ChinnoDog> Also if you use btrfs snapshots and root is a separate partition then reverting to a previous snapshot will not revert your kernel
[15:29] <jthan> ugh don't use btrfs yet. lol
[15:30] <ChinnoDog> In any case, what do you have to do to get grub to boot from your encrypted partition?
[15:30] <ChinnoDog> I think the problem is that it won't load cryptodisk because running "ls" at the grub prompt doesn't show they decrypted block device
[15:31] <jthan> ChinnoDog:     linux   /vmlinuz-linux root=UUID=f3a0f99b-56ac-495b-98e1-2ec2c160b008 rw cryptdevice=/dev/sda2:cryptroot quiet
[15:32] <jthan> however it depends which method to encrypt it in the first place you used
[15:32] <ChinnoDog> That is the boot string but it doesn't seem to work when I enable cryptodisk in /etc/defaults/grub
[15:32] <jthan> icey: You can give me a bad kernel but my data is still safe and that's more important to me.
[15:33] <icey> jthan: until you boot my malicious thing and get your data that way?
[15:33] <jthan> icey: your malicious thing is still going to decrypt my /?
[15:33] <jthan> ChinnoDog: jonathan@karma:~$ cat /etc/default/grub | grep -i crypt
[15:33] <jthan> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="cryptdevice=/dev/sda2:cryptroot"
[15:33] <ChinnoDog> Did that
[15:33] <jthan> that's all I've got
[15:33] <ChinnoDog> hmm
[15:33] <jthan> and it Just Works(TM)
[15:33] <icey> jthan: ideally, you don't know it's malicious and you decrypt it yourself ;-)
[15:34] <jthan> icey: Yeah, but if someone had their hands on my laptop the last thing I'm going to do is log in. However, I'm curious if you're referring to a specific exploit or have done this
[15:34] <ChinnoDog> I tried to do it with Ubuntu 16.04 at install. Chrooted to disk after installation and made those modifications but it doesn't work. I guess I will have to debug it further.
[15:35] <jthan> I always setup my partitioning and encrypted volumes and then install
[15:35] <jthan> idk how flexible the Ubuntu installer is
[15:35] <icey> jthan: haven't, just considering the theoretical reason for encrypted /boot; do you mean that you would reformat the device if somebody else had unrestricted access to your machine for ...say 10 minutes?
[15:35] <ChinnoDog> jthan: What if a boot sector virus patches your /boot before grub loads?
[15:35] <jthan> icey: nobody would, first of all. But second of all, what's low level enough that you're going to be able to use entirely system calls that will send you my password
[15:35] <jthan> Which, btw, is a one-use password
[15:35] <jthan> I just think you're proposing something that isn't actually plausible.
[15:36] <icey> jthan: how do you encrypt the device with an OTP?
[15:36] <jthan> Not "one time"
[15:36] <jthan> I said one use
[15:36] <jthan> it's the only place that password is used.
[15:36] <icey> ah, cool
[15:36] <jthan> So you could get it, but unless you're on my laptop again it's a no go
[15:36] <jthan> but I also VERY highly doubt anyone would be on my laptop without me sitting there
[15:37] <jthan> and if they were, I'm dead and no longer care, but still encourage anyone to try.
[15:37] <jthan> There are a lot of measures in place on $worklaptop to protect me and my data
[17:03] <r00t^2> icey: there are boot-time verifiers that attempt to mitigate evil maid attacks as well, i.e. https://github.com/grazzolini/mkinitcpio-chkcryptoboot


[02:47] <tensor> hello, anyone know of a good how-to on chroot-ing apache2 on ubuntu?
[02:49] <tensor> let's try again
[02:49] <tensor> hello, anyone know of a good how-to on chroot-ing apache2 on ubuntu?
[07:36] <supervillain> Hello, what is the size does squid occupies on it's cache? I have a default squid.conf without modifications.
[07:37] <supervillain> I'm just asking because I'm afraid squid might occupy all of the disk space.
[01:17] <re-align> How do I set a server to run things on boot?


[10:07] <zetheroo> what does it take for a bug fix to get incorporated into the official kernel?
[10:33] <lifeless> do you mean linus' tree ?
[10:39] <zetheroo> do I?
[10:41] <zetheroo> I think what I was meaning was the Ubuntu kernel
[13:13] <tgardner> apw, no joy on the LBM firmware issue yet. the 2 patches I pushed are righteous, but neither actually fix my problem. More digging tomorrow.
[20:44] <cnd> apw, you around?


 it worked fine under XP
[01:41] <bazhang> @random blameubuntu blameHURD
[01:42] <k1l_> nah, just blameRMS :)
[01:42] <bazhang> hah!
 I wasn't asked for a credit card number
[02:30] <bazhang> just trolling at this point
[02:47] <bazhang> hilarious
[02:47] <bazhang> they have skype already
[02:47] <bazhang> "it suddenly started working!!111"
[02:48] <bazhang> @random totallysurprised whodathunk
[02:50] <k1l> he, my mum, we, seems like its a whole family task to entertain #u
[02:51] <Unit193> < ~Jan-> so, we downloaded the ubuntu 12.04 version and got a .deb file, and ran that, then hit the "install" button
[02:55] <k1l> sounds like "his mother" made him to install ubuntu for her but he doesnt like it? so often he complains about it
[04:08] <ste7endale> I'd like to be unbanned from #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:14] <elky> yet another nick?
[04:16] <ste7endale> An operator said changing nicks is okay, as long as it's not used to talk to someone who has previously ignored me
[04:19] <phunyguy> what's wrong with "retroispresto"?
[04:19] <rww> Please hold while we attempt to find an #ubuntu-offtopic operator who has not already told you "no".
[04:21] <rww> seriously though, I'm trying to find one. All the active ones don't qualify.
[04:21] <elky> ste7endale: i'm curious as to which op. One from here?
[04:23] <rww> I have located an operator! Unfortunately, they are currently eating a burrito.
[04:23] <rww> Please hold while burrito-related happenings are afoot.
[04:29] <rww> Said operator is now giving phunyguy burrito recipies in the op discussion channel.  But I can't help myself.
[04:38] <PerfM> banning me isn't helping me
[04:38] <PerfM> it's just fueling my needs you feel
[04:38] <rww> So when I ban you you need me more?
[04:39] <rww> ste7endale: are you even still around
[04:39] <ste7endale> Yes.
[04:40] <rww> oh okay good
 | ste7endale: i'm curious as to which op. One from here?
[04:40] <rww> you missed that ^
[04:40] <ste7endale> I know.
[04:40] <rww> Plan on answering it?
[04:40] <phunyguy> It's kind of inportant.
[04:40] <phunyguy> important*
[04:40] <rww> not really, but now we're all curious
[04:40] <phunyguy> hence important.
[04:41] <elky> especially since you think this op trumps what we've all been asking of you
[04:46] <Flannel> Hi ste7endale.  Are you around?
[04:48] <ste7endale> Yes.
[04:49] <Flannel> ste7endale: Alright.  Hi, so, you're here and interested in being unbanned from -ot, correct? (just to make sure I'm on the right page)
[04:50] <ste7endale> You're on the right page, yes.
[04:50] <Flannel> ste7endale: Can you please explain to me why you were banned in the first place?
[04:56] <rww> ...
[04:56] <ste7endale> Asking for support in the ot channel, repeating my question every few minutes, cross posting my questions, abusing bots, being annoying, swearing, ban evasion, talking about potentially illegal activites, linking people to potentially illegal downloads
[04:56] <ste7endale> sharing malicious code in a public channel, repeatedly changing nicks to bypass ignores individuals have set, discussing politics, discussing religion
[04:57] <ste7endale> Did I cover it all rww?
[04:58] <Flannel> ste7endale: That's quite the list.
[05:10] <Flannel> ste7endale: Still around?
[05:11] <ste7endale> Yes.
[05:12] <Flannel> ste7endale: How do you think we should work this out?
[05:16] <ste7endale> I honestly think I should be unbanned.
[05:17] <Flannel> ste7endale: and why is that?
[05:18] <ste7endale> Because re-reading the guidelines is tiring and I know I wouldn't make the same mistakes again.
[05:19] <Flannel> ste7endale: So, you do understand the guidelines? and think you'll be able to not do any of those things in the future?
[05:19] <ste7endale> I do.
[05:20] <Flannel> Alright.  So, just as one easy thing to do, can you please pick just one nick, and stay on that nick for the foreseeable future?
[05:20] <Flannel> (if ste7endale isn't the one you'd prefer, go ahead and switch to whatever it'll be now)
[05:21] <ste7endale> Okay.
[05:24] <Flannel> ste7endale: Alright.  So, just so we're both clear, this last ban was for a month.  If you end up getting into the same troubles in the future, it'll likely be an even longer ban.
[05:24] <Flannel> ste7endale: Do you understand that?
[05:24] <ste7endale> I do.
[05:25] <Flannel> Alright.
[05:27] <Flannel> ste7endale: Alright.  I believe I've successfully removed your ban in #ubuntu-offtopic.  Please head there now and say something (to verify you can speak)
[05:27] <elky> did my question get answered yet?
[05:49] <valorie> rww: permission to PM?
[05:49] <rww> valorie: I don't do PMs.
[05:50] <valorie> ok
[05:50] <valorie> just an amusing PM from our friend perfm
[12:15] <Tm_T> Myrtti: did you get it?
[12:15] <Myrtti> nope
[12:16] <Myrtti> it might sniff my cloak though
[12:16] <bazhang>  [darkpt] (~user@a89-155-51-159.cpe.netcabo.pt): the ##k spam inviter
[12:16] <Myrtti> as they usually do
[12:16] <bazhang> gives auto voice on join
[12:16] <DJones> I didn't get it
[12:17] <Myrtti> idletime is odd though
[12:17] <Tm_T> got it
[12:18] <bazhang> very similar topic and links etc
[12:18] <Tm_T> [14:17] == darkpt invites you to join ##kubuntu
[12:32] <ikonia> why does ##kubuntu exist
[12:35] <Tm_T> ikonia: someone didn't like #kubuntu enough?
[12:36] <Tm_T> nazis (some kind of rules) and all that jazz
[12:36] <Tm_T> just a wild guess, no insight
[13:58] <Pici> k1l: I removed the ban you had set for<EMAIL_ADDRESS>looks like it was set to expire in june or so (6 months after being set), which seems like a long time for such a wide ban.  We can review if it causes problems.
[16:20] <k1l_> NckSrv<EMAIL_ADDRESS> known issue user, now in #ubuntu-arm
[16:33] <genii> k1l_: Yep, I talked to them briefly in there before my lunch. Gone now
[16:42] <k1l_> he is banned from #u for trolling with 2 clients and tried to stirr up drama in -touch and a jolla channel
[19:12] <Guest85183> Can somebody set a ban on
[19:12] <Guest85183> 19:11 [freenode]      nick  | darkpt
[19:12] <Guest85183> 19:11 [freenode]      host  |<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:12] <Guest85183> While I sort my juped nick out
[19:13] <Guest85183> Asking to join ##kubuntu
[19:13] <Guest85183> 19:10 [freenode] darkpt invites you to ##kubuntu
[19:14] <Pici> ?
[19:20] <elky> i guess darkpt is recruiting in #freenode
[19:22] <IdleOne> he has it set to +v on join
[19:23] <Pici> I see that Tm_T kicked him from #ubuntu the other day for something like this..
[19:23] <IdleOne> Sounds like a job for IRCC members!
[19:23] <Pici> I wonder if anyone spoke to him
[19:24] <elky> tm_t usually does, afaik
[19:24] <Pici> yeah
[19:25] <Pici> let me send them a message.. see where it goes.
[19:25] <elky> darkpt isn't in #freenode so now i'm confused
[19:26] <Pici> elky: why did you think they were?
[19:26] <IdleOne> they are in #u u-server and #k
[19:26] <elky> Pici: because we don't help with account problems
[19:26] <IdleOne> least they share those with me
[19:26] <elky> which i assume a juped nick is
[19:28] <Pici> I don't think juped was used correctly
[19:28] <bazhang> on join to #u spammer is darkpt
[19:28] <Pici> Did you get a message?
[19:28] <bazhang> yes
[19:28] <IdleOne> I didn't
[19:28] <IdleOne> but I believe bazhang
[19:29] <elky> lemme check
[19:29] <IdleOne> he has proven himself trustworthy over the last 9 years
[19:29] <IdleOne> someone should make him an op
[19:29] <IdleOne> :)
[19:29] <Pici> I tried via webchat, nothing from there tiehr
[19:32] <elky> nothing for me either
[19:38] <Tm_T> it has delay
[19:38] <elky> i still have nothing
[19:39] <elky> maybe he stopped it when pici pm'd
[19:39] <Tm_T> could be (:
[19:40] <Pici> fwiw, I dind't get a response
[19:42] <Tm_T> allright, good night
[19:43] <Unit193> 15:42 -!- darkPT invites you to ##kubuntu
[19:43] <Unit193> Was likely from #ubuntu-devel.
[19:44] <genii> I haven't gotten any invites and that's one of the few #ubuntu channels I'm not in
[19:52] <elky> yep it's on join to devel
[19:54] <elky> 12:51 -!- Irssi: Join to #ubuntu-devel was synced in 0 secs ... 12:51 -!- darkPT invites you to ##kubuntu
[19:55] <elky> Pici: Tm_T: ^
[19:55]  * Pici sighs
[19:56] <elky> IdleOne: how many in there?
[19:58] <Unit193> I cycle'd #ubuntu and got one there too now.
[20:01] <elky> heh, he invited me after pici removed him
[20:21] <genii> Pici:  Ah, didn't know usewy was a recidivist
[20:21] <Pici> genii: this is the second time. I'm not sure if they used the same nick earlier today.
[20:22] <genii> OK
[20:30] <elky> eyes on sta7ic
[20:33] <genii> I think he's fine, if frustrated. ObrienDave poked him a bit there.
[20:52] <elky> genii: look again, still sure? :P
[20:55] <genii> All I see in backscroll is them talking to Trudko about cpu scaling and then to gueriLLaPunK before that
[20:55] <elky> genii: look at what delinquentme said
[20:56] <genii> Ah, OK, see it now
[20:57] <elky> looks like he has a penchant for bullying, worth watching
[20:57] <elky> anyway, i need to step away, have fun
[20:57] <genii> I thought at first it was delinqentme talking to sta7ic instead of quoting a PM
[20:57] <elky> genii: ah
[21:14] <genii> k1l_: What the... their sources.list is a symlink? That sounds fishy
[21:15] <k1l_> genii: yes, never heard of that
[21:20] <genii> k1l_: Looks like there used to be a package called debian-helper-scripts circa Gutsy which used used this method
[21:21] <genii> eg: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/gutsy/en/man8/sources.8.html
[21:22] <popey> wow, gusty...
[21:23] <k1l_> he said its a 10.04. the sources.list i saw did heave a 8.04 cdrom header
[21:23] <genii> Maybe their box was continuously upgraded since that release ( if they are not on something EOL) ... or else, some other dist
[21:24] <genii> Very unusual either way
 we are legion!      joins with that and its ip is redstation uk.
[21:45] <hggdh> /
[21:49] <elky> k1l_: could you respond to judget in some way so he doesn't keep  nagging for your attention?
[21:50] <k1l_> elky: i am the whole time
[22:04] <elky> i believe i'm being called a fdog
[22:08] <genii> Wha.. ? < checks backscroll for the last 15-20 minutes )
[22:09] <elky> in -ot
[22:10] <elky> he was calling someone a moron for typos, i asked him to stop, he started being belligerent
[22:11] <genii> Yes, I'm caught up now. Looks like miight be longterm problemmatic type.
[22:11] <elky> indeed
[22:16] <genii> Seemed to have the modus operandi in #u earlier that after delinquent called him out in public on the PM that he shut up and also continued to assist the user. I'm wondering if it's some initial belligerence to see who's in charge or who can be pushed around etc
[22:43] <elky> well he moved to PM for delinquent because i already told him off for namecalling obriendave
[22:43] <elky> "fat dave" iirc
[22:44] <elky> bullies tend to not expect to be called out on private bullying, so that probably smarted
[22:44] <genii> Heh


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[03:49] <nishit> Hello team, there are two security releases for jammy (PAM regression and Thunderbird) are pending, Should I go and continue with the jammy update? Since jammy is approaching milestone ubuntu-22.04.2, I thought asking here would be a better idea
[03:53] <vorlon> nishit: we are not close enough to the point release to pause security updates yet.  Also, in case the message didn't make the rounds, 22.04.2 isn't until Feb 23 https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-22-04-2-delayed-until-february-23/33319
[03:54] <amurray> vorlon: so our tooling uses the date listed for the milestone in LP - could this be updated to reflect the new planned release date?
[03:54] <vorlon> ack
[03:54] <amurray> thanks
[03:54] <nishit> vorlon: thanks
[03:54] <vorlon> done
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[08:44] <schopin> vorlon: ack, I'm looking into the i386 issue.
[10:16] <LocutusOfBorg> mdeslaur, hello, I see you did use gcc/g++-11 to opencv
[10:16] <LocutusOfBorg> I don't see an associated bug, but I would like to sync opencv again from Debian, dropping that change
[12:10] <mdeslaur> LocutusOfBorg: let me remember, one sec
[12:12] <mdeslaur> LocutusOfBorg: doesn't look like debian changed anything that would fix that, is there a reason you think it's fixed?
[12:12] <mdeslaur> LocutusOfBorg: it was causing autopkgtest failures in other packages that were depending on opencv
[12:14] <mdeslaur> LocutusOfBorg: here's what I wrote to someone back then "gst-plugins-bad1.0 is crashing at the tests during build because of opencv, which is miscompiling with gcc12 and spewing out "illegal instruction"!!! during its autopkgtest"
[12:16] <mdeslaur> LocutusOfBorg: so if you build with gcc12, and gst-plugin-bad1.0 still builds, I think it's ok
[12:17] <seb128> mdeslaur, ideally the changelog would include those details so it's possible for the next person to know what to check for
[12:18] <mdeslaur> seb128: definitely
[12:21] <jbicha> I'm working on merging -bad btw, a bit more work because of handling i386
[12:21] <jbicha> good morning
[13:50] <LocutusOfBorg> jbicha, can you please wait to upload then?
[13:50] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks mdeslaur :)
[13:50] <LocutusOfBorg> we can try to sync opencv once it migrates
[13:51] <LocutusOfBorg> and then upload -bad
[13:51] <jbicha> LocutusOfBorg: ok
[13:51] <LocutusOfBorg> opencv should migrate soon (TM)
[13:52] <LocutusOfBorg> (this run I mean)
[13:54] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, do you think we can hint dkms to go though release? autopkgtests are regressions due to kernel 6.1, not due to dkms itself
[13:54] <LocutusOfBorg> sadly my hints and triggers are not working... :/
[13:54] <LocutusOfBorg> they need sourceful fixes when the kernel 6.1 needs to migrate anyway
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[19:00] <vorlon> python3-defaults has been hinted; as pointed out by ginggs the difference here is that python3.10 has been dropped, there's no reason that /dropping/ a python version should regress the tests, so the tests in the queue are a lot of busywork at a time when we have a lot of other tests that need running.  I'm in the process of filtering the python-triggered tests out of the queues - takes multiple
[19:00] <vorlon> iterations.
[19:02] <jbicha> vorlon: we need to rebuild nodejs for icu72. Do you want to do that and filter out the old nodejs tests?
[19:03] <vorlon> seems to have reduced the s390x queue by half.  amd64 by only a third, so far
[19:03] <vorlon> (and only around ~200 tests left to be deleted, so won't get much further than than)
[19:04] <vorlon> *that
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[19:10] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: walk me through why<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is pulling the kernel from -proposed? I don't recall running into this before
[19:10] <ginggs> vorlon: thanks!
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[20:05] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: why does llvm-toolchain-13 even trigger pythran tests?  I don't see it in reverse-depends or reverse-build-depends
[20:06] <vorlon> ah because Depends: c++-compiler :P
[20:06] <vorlon> so this looks flaky (timeouts under load), I'm just going to skiptest
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[21:20] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks <3
[21:26] <LocutusOfBorg> jbicha, opencv uploaded
[21:27] <LocutusOfBorg> still not built everywhere
[21:41] <UnivrslSuprBox> I've found a package that cannot be built from source in jammy (apt-get build-dep fails with a dependency error). src:node-deep-for-each depends on node-babel7 (>= 7.17.4+~cs214.260.190-2~), but only 7.12.12+~cs150.141.84-8 exists in the archive. It appears that bin:node-deep-for-each found its dependencies in -proposed, but they no longer exist. What happened?
[21:45] <vorlon> UnivrslSuprBox: the version of node-babel7 in question failed to be releasable and never propagated to the jammy release pocket.  This is a class of problem we're generally aware of and is a reason for trying to get the -proposed pocket as empty as possible before release
[21:45] <vorlon> we don't enforce build-dependencies when migrating from -proposed to release because that would make migrations too brittle to manage
[21:50] <UnivrslSuprBox> Interesting. Another thing I'll have to work around, then!
[21:52] <vorlon> UnivrslSuprBox: well, it is something that by all rights should be a candidate for SRU.  My recommended approach is to introduce a new package e.g. node-babel7-update which has a versioned Provides: that satisfies the build dependency
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[08:55] <tenderjuicy> hi there
[08:56] <tenderjuicy> is anyone home? i have a question to ask
[09:08] <tenderjuicy> hi ther
[09:08] <tenderjuicy> anybody here?
[09:13] <alkisg> !ask | tenderjuicy
[09:14] <tenderjuicy> i set up iTalc-master on edubuntu but it cannot access edubuntu clients (which has italc-client installed automatically). im taling about edubuntu 8.04. im not using thin clients
[09:15] <alkisg> I don't think autodetection works in 8.04, you need to add the italc ppa sources, or get ica-launcher and italc-launcher from a later version (e.g. from jaunty)
[09:15] <alkisg> italc ppa: https://launchpad.net/~edubuntu-italc-devel/+archive/ppa
[09:16] <tenderjuicy> i can add the IP address of each workstation, that's no problem with me
[09:16] <alkisg> ok then, what's the problem?
[09:16] <tenderjuicy> but when i assigned fixed IP address to the clients, port 5900 is removed when i do netstat -pant
[09:16] <alkisg> Ah, you need to also transfer the keys
[09:17] <alkisg> The clients need to have the public key of the server, did you do that?
[09:17] <tenderjuicy> but port 5800 is open listening on ly to <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:17] <tenderjuicy> yes i did
[09:17] <tenderjuicy> when i enable roaming on clients, port 5900 is back
[09:18] <alkisg> what's roaming?
[09:18] <tenderjuicy> i copied public keys for teachers from the servers to the clients
[09:18] <alkisg> Installation should be similar to the chroot installation described here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/iTalc
[09:18]  * alkisg gotta go


 Supply --use-existing-dir to push there anyway.
[01:57] <Hobbsee> (was asked ~10 hours ago)
[01:58] <Hobbsee> strange.  i presume you want to redo the bzr directory there, or something.  i don't know.
[01:58] <ffm> Hobbsee: this is an init push;.
[01:58] <Hobbsee> poolie: can you help?
[01:59] <mwhudson> ffm: that's pretty odd
[02:01] <poolie> Hobbsee: hi
[02:02] <mwhudson> ffm: did you manage to push your branch ?
[02:02] <poolie> ffm, if you don't have launchpad-login using ssh is a direct substitute
[02:02] <ffm> mwhudson: I _think_ so.
[02:02] <mwhudson> it looks ok to me
[02:02] <poolie> does it work if you do use --use-existing-dir?
[02:02] <ffm> poolie: yeah
[02:03] <poolie> that's kind of odd
[02:03] <poolie> this can occur if you interrupt bzr in the middle of an initial push
[02:03] <poolie> so it's made the directory but can't really see it's a bzr directory
[03:08] <mib> hi.
[03:09] <mib> can someone update the repository for R package to 2.7.1 which is the latest one?
[03:09] <mib> thanks
[03:11] <Hobbsee> ?
[03:12] <mib> yea
[03:12] <mib> hobbsee
[03:12]  * Hobbsee suggests fail on multiple levele.s
[03:12] <Hobbsee> er, levels
[03:12]  * Hobbsee advocates reading the topic?
[03:12] <mib> ??
[03:12] <Hobbsee> which repository?
[03:13] <mib> R
[03:13] <mib> rbase
[03:14] <RAOF> That's a software package, not a repository.  Also, this doesn't seem very relevant to launchpad.
[03:15] <Hobbsee> and whatever it is, it's not in ubuntu either.
[03:17] <Peng> He's referring to http://www.r-project.org/
[03:17] <RAOF> mib: Aaah.  I see.  R version 2.7.1 is available in the current development release of Ubuntu (Intrepid).
[03:18] <RAOF> So, since this is an Ubuntu issue, it's off-topic for #launchpad.  But what you probably want to do is to request that this package gets backported.
[03:18] <Hobbsee> either way a) this is the wrong place, b) it's already there, and c) a package is not a repository, nor vice versa.
[03:19] <Hobbsee> and d) if the topic doesn't mention something related to ubuntu, apart from where the logs are, it's *probably* not where you're looking for.
[03:20] <RAOF> mib: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports#How%20to%20request%20new%20packages is what you're after.
[03:24] <poolie> hello Hobbsee btw
[03:24] <mib> RAOF,Hobb: do you mean 2.7.1 is available in Hardy but not in 6.06?
[03:25] <Hobbsee> hey poolie!
[03:25] <mib> in this case, i need to request the package to be installed in the specific release of ubuntu?
[03:25] <Peng> Is 6.06 even maintained anymore?
[03:25] <Hobbsee> mib: no.
[03:25] <Hobbsee> Peng: yes.
[03:25] <RAOF> mib: No.  I mean 2.7.1 is available in Intrepid but not 8.04 (Hardy) or 6.06 (Dapper)
[03:25]  * Peng forgets how the LTS thing works.
[03:25] <Hobbsee> [12:17] <RAOF> mib: Aaah.  I see.  R version 2.7.1 is available in the current development release of Ubuntu (Intrepid).
[03:25] <Peng> Really long-term, then?
[03:25] <Hobbsee> nowhere does that mention it being available in hardy.
[03:25] <mib> oh.
[03:25] <Hobbsee> Peng: yeah - 3 years on desktop, 5 on server.
[03:26] <mib> btw, what is intrepid
[03:26] <mib> kinda noob in this thing
[03:26] <mib> sorry
[03:26] <Peng> mib: The next release of Ubuntu.
[03:26] <Peng> (It's in development.)
[03:26]  * Hobbsee suggests reading the part that she *just* quoted again.
[03:26] <mib> ohh
[03:28] <RAOF> The backport advice stands, however.
[03:29] <Peng> Dapper has version 2.2.1.. They probably won't backport it, right?
[03:30] <mib> dapper has 2.5.1
[03:30] <Hobbsee> Peng: they can stick it in the unofficial backports, if it builds and doesn't require much other stuff to also be backported
[03:31] <Peng> Oh.
[03:31] <mib> but certain packages only supported by 2.7.1
[03:31] <Hobbsee>     r-base |    2.2.1-2 | dapper/universe | source, all
[03:31] <RAOF> Right.  And this is where you get to choose between "stable" and "new".
[03:31]  * Hobbsee has no idea how mib qualifies his statement.
[03:32] <mib> well, i want to use this bioconductor package
[03:32] <RAOF> It's not 2.5.1 in backports?
[03:32] <mib> and in order to use this package, they onl work with 2.7.1 of R
[03:32] <Hobbsee> RAOF: i thought rmadison showed backports
[03:32] <Hobbsee> mib: no, the one about dapper having 2.5.1
[03:33] <RAOF> mib: If youv'e got 2.5.1 you may be using Gutsy (7.10).
[03:33] <mib> oops..
[03:33] <mib> my mistakes.
[03:33] <mib> im using gutsy
[03:33] <mib> so *blur*
[03:34] <mib> http://www.bioconductor.org/News/2008-05-01-Release
[03:34] <mib> sorry guys
[03:35] <mib> yeah..i tried on another pc of mine using hardy
[03:35] <RAOF> And that will have 2.6.2.
[03:35] <RAOF> We know.
[03:35] <mib> okie
[03:36] <RAOF> If you would like to have 2.7.1 available in an unsupported repository, follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports#How%20to%20request%20new%20packages is what you're after.
[03:36] <RAOF> Failing that, I suggest #ubuntu is a more appropriate support channel.
[03:36] <mib> yeah.
[03:36] <RAOF> Or launchpad.net/answers
[03:36] <mib> i have requested just a min ago
[03:42] <mib> thanks
[06:45] <Peng> jml: So...bzr+http branches should start working again soon?
[06:46] <jml> Peng: I hope so.
[06:48] <Peng> jml: But nosmart+http will be used, right?
[06:49] <jml> Peng: no, we're turning that off.
[06:49] <Peng> So it'll really use bzr+http?
[06:49]  * Peng gets confused.
[06:49] <jml> Peng: it'll use http and let the server figure it out
[06:49] <Peng> Yay. :)
[06:50] <jml> Peng: but! the underlying bug that caused us to switch to using nosmart+ in the first place still hasn't been fixed.
[06:50] <Peng> What will happen then?
[06:52]  * jml takes a step back.
[06:53] <jml> Peng: when (if) that cherrypick lands, bzr+http branches won't mirror.
[06:53] <jml> Peng: however, I hope that this will be fixed at the next release.
[06:54] <jml> which is about a week away.
[06:54] <Peng> Okay.
[06:56] <jml> Peng: basically, switching to nosmart+ exposed another, more severe bug in bzr and so we're switching back.
[06:58] <Peng> nice
[07:00] <mwhudson> bzr branch nosmart+<http url that redirects> explodes
[07:19] <Peng> Awesome. Shouldn't nosmart+ be simple enough that that's impossible?
[07:19] <mwhudson> it looks a bit like bzr's handling of redirects is just clever enough to be stupid
[07:19] <mwhudson> spiv: did you see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/245964 yet?
[07:20] <spiv> mwhudson: yeah
[07:20] <spiv> Ooh, my left mouse button is starting to misbehave.
[07:20]  * mwhudson changes the summary of that bug
[07:21] <spiv> I saw abentley chatting with you about it on #bzr too, I think.
[07:21] <Peng> spiv: What type of mouse?
[07:21] <spiv> Peng: trackpad in laptop.
[07:21] <Peng> Oh.
[07:21] <spiv> :)
[07:21] <Peng> How easy will it be to replace?
[07:22] <mwhudson> spiv: ah good
[07:22] <mwhudson> spiv: it seems the code in do_catching_redirections in bzrdir.py to see if the end of the path bzr is being redirected to is the same as the end of the path bzr asked for is a bit screwy
[07:22] <spiv> Peng: probably not very.  The laptop isn't exactly new, anyway.
[07:23] <Peng> That's good.
[07:23] <spiv> mwhudson: sounds likely.  You should make that observation in the bug comments :)
[07:23] <mwhudson> yeah
[07:50] <Hobbsee> how do i unsubscribe someone from a bug now?
[07:51] <Hobbsee> is it possible?
[07:53] <Hobbsee> right, i'm told i have to hit "subscribe yourself" to unsubscribe a team you belong to.  okay then...
[07:53] <persia> It's decidedly nonintuitive
[07:54] <Hobbsee> moreso than usual, too
[07:54] <Hobbsee> ah well
[07:55] <spiv> Hobbsee: or you can go to Subscribe "Someone else", then there's a "Subscribe/Unsubscribe" link (for yourself/your team) in the portlet on that page.
[07:55] <Hobbsee> spiv: tried that.  there isn't, anymore.
[07:55] <Hobbsee> spiv: (are you using edge)?
[07:55] <spiv> Hobbsee: Hmm, I'm looking right at it
[07:55] <spiv> yes
[07:56] <Hobbsee> spiv: want a screenshot of what i get?
[07:56] <spiv> Maybe I'm special because I'm a ~launchpad-dev person, or something.
[07:56] <Hobbsee> probably
[07:57] <ion_> Any comments about https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+spec/base-36-bug-ids?
[07:58] <Hobbsee> spiv: http://hobbsee.com/tmp/launchpad.png is all i get on that screen
[08:02] <spiv> Hobbsee: um, I see a "Subscribe/Unsubscribe" link in tha screenshot
[08:03] <Hobbsee> spiv: oh, so do you have to go through two menu options to get to the unsubscribe section now?  if you start via subscribing someone else?
[08:04] <spiv> Hobbsee: I have no idea what the intended UI design is, I just happened to notice that link. :)
[08:04] <Hobbsee> spiv: that link apperas to take you to the standard "subscribe yourself" screen.
[08:08] <spiv> Hobbsee: it's probably time to ignore my random misguided observations and file a bug :)
[08:09] <Hobbsee> spiv: heh.  thanks for your help :)
[08:09] <Hobbsee> spiv: i think they are aware it's all different, and difficult to understand.
[08:09] <Hobbsee> it just means more people coming in here asking how do to do something they could do with no problems a month ago
[08:10] <Peng> mwhudson: Bug 245964's title is messed up now -- "interacts redirects".
[08:10] <Hobbsee> (so they can still get their regular stuff done, without searching for a while about where a particular option has moved to now)
[08:10] <mwhudson> Peng: oops
[08:12] <mwhudson> Peng: it's "nosmart+http interacts badly with http redirects" now
[08:12] <Peng> :)
[09:10] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[09:12] <Hobbsee> hey mpt!
[09:13] <mpt> If you can read this, I have convinced this laptop to start up
[09:13] <Hobbsee> indeed!  well done!
[09:34] <siretart> mwhudson: hi there. any chance you could import a non-trunk svn branch? question #38158 has the background
[10:58] <mrevell> \sh: ping
[11:27] <\sh> mrevell: pong
[11:27] <mrevell> hi \sh
[11:56] <Stavros> hello
[11:57] <Stavros> can i push some code to my branch without my public key (i don't have it on hand here)?
[11:58] <Peng> no
[11:58] <Stavros> the only way i can push code is with an ssh key?
[11:58] <Peng> For whatever reason, LP doesn't do password auth with SSH.
[11:58] <Peng> AFAIK, yes.
[11:58] <Stavros> ah, thanks
[11:59] <Stavros> can i move a milestone to another series, or delete the milestone or a series?
[13:05] <Tirion> Hello! Can anyone help me with registering project on Launchpad?
[13:09] <Peng> I probably can't, but what's going on?
[13:09] <sivang> hi all
[13:09] <Hobbsee> heya sivang!
[13:09] <sivang> Hobbsee: hi there Sara
[13:09] <sivang> Hobbsee: how are you doing ?
[13:10] <Hobbsee> sivang: with an h!
[13:11] <Tirion> Peng, how can I create project with four or five developers? May be it must be a team? But how can I connect team with project?
[13:11] <Hobbsee> sivang: doing OK - trying to find out who's done this gorgeous wallpaper on one of the intrepid wiki pages
[13:11] <Peng> Tirion: I have no idea, but it should be obvious enough. Create your project, create your team, and assign the team as the owner of the project or something.
[13:12] <sivang> i wonder if someone could tell me if launchpad qa vacancy  is still relevant (the ad is still online) as i've sent my application 2 days ago and want to know if i should expect a response or so.
[13:13] <LarstiQ> sivang: you know there's a weekend inbetween? :)
[13:15] <sivang> LarstiQ: sure :) it's just hit me that it might be already too late, i just wanted to make sure
[13:16] <LarstiQ> sivang: that I do not know, but I'd expect to hear that from whomever you sent it to in due time?
[13:18] <andrea-bs> Tirion: maybe this can help you: https://help.launchpad.net/Projects/Registering
[13:23] <Tirion> andrea-bs, I've read it. This text : To register a project group, file a support request with the Launchpad team.
[13:24] <andrea-bs> Tirion: warning: a project group is not a team
[13:24] <andrea-bs> Tirion: Some larger free software projects are actually several related projects working under the same banner. For example: Firefox is part of the Mozilla project. Launchpad represents these as projects (Firefox) and project groups (Mozilla).
[13:25] <andrea-bs> Tirion: here you can read how to create a team: https://help.launchpad.net/Teams/CreatingAndRunning ;)
[13:25] <Tirion> Oh sorry. And what do I need?
[13:27] <sivang> LarstiQ: probably
[13:27] <andrea-bs> Tirion: you have to create a project, then a team and to link them you should read here and choose whatever you prefer: https://help.launchpad.net/Projects/Registering#Roles%20within%20projects
[13:28] <Tirion> andrea-bs, thank you.
[13:28] <andrea-bs> Tirion: you are welcome :)
[14:01] <siretart> does the vcs-importer support svn:externals nowadays?
[14:26]  * Yhouse e' away (Sto andando via)
[14:33] <Snaggen> Any member of the VCSImport team here?
[16:10] <Blingham> Good morning all - I've searched through the LP website, and all of it's answers/help/FAQ topics, and was wondering if someone could help me with a very simple question with regard to the bugs.launchpad.net mailing list for Ubuntu, that I just can't seem to find an answer to?
[16:14] <andrea-bs> Blingham: are you talking about the list desktop-bugs? https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[16:20] <Blingham> andrea-bs: that is EXACTLY what I was looking for.  I knew I had come to the right place.. Thanks!
[16:21] <andrea-bs> Blingham: you are welcome :)
[19:01] <tsoiland> How often is the staging server reset?
[19:02] <Peng> I'm pretty sure it says somewhere.
[19:02] <Peng> Daily maybe?
[19:04] <tsoiland> I hope so. I changed my password on launchpad, and It seems I have to wait for the reset before I can log in to staging with the new password.
[22:26] <newz2000> hi, lemon and I are trying to figure out how to colloborate on code in launchpad
[22:26] <newz2000> he created a branch from my code and now wants to publish changes
[22:26] <Peng> He could push to his own branch and you could merge it.
[22:27] <lemon> well, I've never user bazaar before
[22:27] <Peng> Or you could create a team for yourselves and create a shared branch.
[22:27] <newz2000> it is a shared branch under ubuntu-website
[22:27] <newz2000> I think
[22:27] <newz2000> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~newz/ubuntu-website/start-page
[22:27] <lemon> I did what under svn is a checkout :-)
[22:27] <Peng> Unless ~newz is a team, not so much.
[22:27] <newz2000> ah, bummer
[22:27]  * newz2000 is learning too
[22:28] <lemon> so, I got a copy on my local computer and modified it there...
[22:28] <newz2000> can I make it a shared branch for him to merge into?
[22:28] <wgrant> newz2000: YOu could transfer the branch ownership to a team.
[22:28] <wgrant> Note that that will change the URL.
[22:29] <newz2000> wgrant: will that be the best in the long run?
[22:29] <wgrant> newz2000: Unless you want to manually merge every change, yes.
[22:29] <newz2000> (more people will be working on this)
[22:30] <wgrant> This is good.
[22:30] <wgrant> Has somebody fixed the focus yet?
[22:30] <newz2000> not sure what the focus is
[22:31] <lemon> Must go to get something to dinner. Will leave this open and try to read what you decide later.
[22:31] <wgrant> The start page's search box steals (or stole, until I changed it because it was so annoying) focus.
[22:31] <newz2000> ok, I'll let you know lemon, thanks
[22:31] <newz2000> wgrant: yes, actually, lemon has done that
[22:31] <wgrant> Wonderful.
[22:31] <newz2000> well, fixed it so it happens instantly rather than delayed after 2-3 seconds
[22:32] <wgrant> That is my largest gripe with a fresh 8.04.1 installation yesterday.
[22:32] <wgrant> Arrrgh.
[22:32] <wgrant> We have a perfectly good search box in Firefox already!
[22:32] <lemon> focus stealing is always very irritating
[22:32] <newz2000> there are other forces at work
[22:32] <wgrant> If we need a special searchbox on our start page, it should be in Firefox instead.
[22:32] <newz2000> so it's "less annoying" now
[22:34] <newz2000> I think for now I'd like to keep ownership since I don't know what team should own it.
[22:34] <newz2000> So lemon should create his own branch and publish it there, then I'll merge his copy to mine?
[22:34] <wgrant> OK, so lemon will have to push to his own branch.
[22:34] <wgrant> Right.
[22:34] <wgrant> He'll push to ~hisusername/ubuntu-website/something
[22:34] <newz2000> ok, got it
[22:34] <wgrant> And you can `bzr merge lp:~hisusername/ubuntu-website/something`, then commit.
[22:36] <newz2000> so lemon, when you're back, do bzr push lp:~lemon/ubuntu-website/start-page and then ping me (replace ~lemon with ~your-username)
[22:36] <newz2000> thanks for the help wgrant
[22:36] <wgrant> np
[22:54] <lemon> hi again newz2000
[22:54] <newz2000> hey lemon
[22:54] <lemon> can't do it right now as I'm not on the computer where I did the changes
[22:54] <lemon> but I take note and will do it tomorrow morning
[22:55] <newz2000> ok. I'm going to forward details to the mailing list too since others will be working on this. Thanks a bunch for your help!
[23:27] <zyx386> hi
[23:28] <zyx386> everyone from translation team ?


[09:21] <otubo> Do we ever check the kernel version inside cloud-init? I'm trying to grep for an example but can't find it.
[09:23] <otubo> Long story short, on my (already closed) PR[0] I recently found out that the fallocate on XFS bug is hit only on kernels < 4.18 (reference: man 8 swapon).
[09:26] <otubo> So I'd like to introduce a condition ` and util.system_info()['release'] >= '4.18'' to the if statement to cloudinit/config/cc_mounts.py:252
[09:26] <otubo> Couldn't find any trace of packaging.version.parse for that matter, though. Not sure if cloud-init already does this kind of version comparisons in the code base.
[09:27] <otubo> [0] https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/70
[10:07] <meena> otubo: what would packaging.version.parse contain? do we already produce a system_info()['release']?
[10:09] <otubo> meena: packaging.version.parse contains parsers for standard versions systems, we could do things like version.parser(util.system_info()['release']) > version.parse("4.18") for example
[10:09] <otubo> meena: yes we already have util.system_info()['release'] in place
[10:10] <meena> otubo: cut it down to only have a max of one `.` and then compare them like floats :P
[10:10] <meena> I think i did that somewhere in puppet code… and… i'm not proud of it, but not ashamed of it either :P
[10:11] <otubo> :-D if it works, it works
[10:23] <meena> >>> float(str.join('.', os.uname()[2].split('.')[0:2]))
[10:23] <meena> 4.15
[10:23] <meena> this is ugly, and not safe.
[11:27] <otubo> meena: my dear god
[11:35] <meena> otubo: i'm sure there's a less worse way to do this
[11:54] <meena> otubo: https://regex101.com/r/6XkWS3/2
[11:56] <meena> rather, /3. no one should have negative versions >_>
[11:57] <meena> and /4 more performant without those flags.
[12:06] <meena> now with tests, https://regex101.com/r/6XkWS3/5/tests — that website is wonderful 😅
[12:14] <ananke> wonder if the sample test I added now shows up for others
[12:15] <ananke> nah, looks like it would have to be forked
[13:10] <otubo> meena: OMG! That's helpful. Thanks! :-)
[14:05] <DanyC> hi, question - running "cloud-init clean --log --seed" will that be enough for cloud-init to run again the "modules-final/config-scripts" if i'm cloning from this VM ?
[14:06] <DanyC> or do i need to delete "/run/cloud-init/" dir too to erase any state which might make cloud-init think is not a "first time boot" ?
[14:10] <meena> DanyC: i'd think that's what `clean` does. though i don't know what --seed does
[14:12] <DanyC> meena: thanks
[15:22] <Odd_Bloke> otubo: So a danger with matching on kernel versions is that "4.18" on one distro can be very different to "4.18" on others.  However, in this case, I think the two cases we need to worry about are: (a) a version older than 4.18 which has support/fixes backported, and (b) a version that claims to be (at least) 4.18 but doesn't have the support/fixes.  I feel like we can safely dismiss (b), because that
[15:22] <Odd_Bloke> seems likely to be a kernel bug/regression.  For (a), I think the worst case is that we use dd when we could have used fallocate, which isn't a very bad case at all.
[15:30] <Odd_Bloke> meena: I don't think you can compare kernel versions as floats, because kernel version 4.18 > kernel version 4.4 but 4.18 < 4.4.
[15:32] <meena> Odd_Bloke: wat
[15:32] <meena> Odd_Bloke: aah, shite.
[15:32] <Odd_Bloke> :)
[15:32] <rharper> the cheaty way is to break major minor into ints
[15:32] <Odd_Bloke> Yeah, (4, 18) > (4, 4).
[15:32]  * rharper may have cheated a few times
[15:33] <meena> yeah, that way you can compare all dots? (4, 18, 1)
[15:33] <meena> whooaaaah.
[15:34] <meena> rharper: that's so cool
[15:34] <Odd_Bloke> It's barely even cheating, that's why `sys.version_info` is a tuple, so you can do things like `sys.version_info > (3, 3)` for Python version checks.
[15:34] <meena> TIL
[15:34] <meena> wonder if that works in ruby, too
[15:35] <meena> cuz i'm having to teach a developer here what Semver is…
[15:35] <meena> or, all developers.?
[15:35] <Odd_Bloke> It's probably sufficient for kernel major/minor/patch, but it falls over if your versioning has prereleases or postreleases (like apt packages do).
[15:35] <rharper> it just gets strange with extra parts, 4.15.0-72-generic
[15:35] <meena> rharper: LA LA LA LAAAAA
[15:36] <Odd_Bloke> I don't know what you're talking about meena, we just happen to rev major versions on January 1st every year. ;)
[15:36] <rharper> =)
[15:36] <meena> Odd_Bloke: that's 💯 % valid
[15:41] <meena> http://sentimentalversioning.org/
[15:46] <Odd_Bloke> I can only aspire to have an idea as good as using pi for version numbers.


[10:30] <Guest76468> Hi everyone!
[18:40] <kidx> hello guys do you know if I can broadcast with my HD PVR 2?
[18:45] <sunstar> i dont have first hand experience with that one, but i've never had a problem with hauppauge cards in ubuntu studio before.
[18:46] <kidx> so how do I go about setting up this I never done this I jsut want to broiadcast live you know and save on resources as windows is a pain
[18:47] <kidx> how do you setup yours?
[18:47] <kidx> what do you have I have HD PVR 2 Gamign Edition
[18:51] <sunstar> i have a pile of hauppage cards.   i usually use VLC or install WinTV under wine
[18:54] <kidx> will all that work with game play
[18:55] <kidx> i tried installing the programs on linux but nothing worked all crashed
[18:56] <kidx> my issue is I cant find with input it is coming in on you know /dev/hdpvr should be it but it aint working at all any ideas I am thinking Ubuntu Studio my support thgis casue its a studio os ment for this you know?
[18:56] <kidx> I just hope it does casue I need this to work so bad.
[19:00] <sunstar> sorry i have to run. i think you should try asking in the forum or in #ubuntu


[07:36] <dholbach> good morning
[12:02] <elfy> \o/ for 7 of the membership council being in #meeting today :)
[13:33] <belkinsa> Indeed. :D
[13:33] <belkinsa> Is there a Ubuntu Engineering Live today?
[13:56] <popey> yes
[13:57] <belkinsa> Like in four minutes?
[13:59] <belkinsa> I see it now.
[14:47] <balloons> :-)
[15:46] <dholbach> all right my friends - have to rush off to a concert - see you all tomorrow!
[16:45] <belkinsa> OMG, guess what I got in the mail today?  The Certificate of Ubuntu Membership!
[16:55] <mhall119> \o/
[17:23] <jcastro> hey everyone
[17:23] <jcastro> pearson's going to give discounts and free books to Loco teams for the new Official Ubuntu Book!
[17:30] <belkinsa> Sweet
[17:31] <jcastro> pleia2, I forgot the email to send news to to get things onto the newsletter
[17:39] <elfy> jcastro<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:39] <jcastro> ta
[19:28] <bkerensa> jcastro: IIRC they have always done free Ubuntu books and discounts for locos... jono has a blog post on it somewhere
[19:30] <jcastro> bkerensa, yeah I did this last year too
[19:30] <jcastro> http://www.jorgecastro.org/2013/08/14/official-ubuntu-server-book-3rd-edition-now-available/
[19:33] <bkerensa> jcastro: Although I am saddened your name is not yet on a Ubuntu Server Book.
[19:34] <jcastro> we need to redo that entire book imo
[19:35] <jcastro> Though Kyle is way smarter than me, he's better off writing it


 Well, I'm in Charlotte now. Waiting for Aaron...
[03:42] <valorie> is he landing soon, tsimonq2?
 He's 1:34 away...
[03:43] <valorie> oh gosh
 I also can't get into our room without him, sooo I'm just going to grab coffee with Noah and wait for him...
[03:44] <valorie> will be a late night for you two
 Indeed.
[03:44] <valorie> it's already about midnight there, right?
 Especially with me getting three hours of sleep last night because of finals cramming...
 Yeah, 11:44
[03:44] <valorie> coffee seems an ungood idea
[03:45] <valorie> maybe hot chocolate?
 Hah
 *shrug*
[03:45] <valorie> lol
 I'm tempted to fall asleep on top of my luggage near Aaron's gate and wait for him to find me, but I think that might be unwise too. :P
[03:51] <valorie> heh
[09:11] <acheronuk> think my broadband is fixed :)
[09:12] <acheronuk> ISP had set the modem on a 'slower profile' though while the line was dodge. just spent 10 mins persuading them that they had in fact done that (they denied it) and to reset it.
[09:13] <acheronuk> told me there had been no change and re-setting would change nothing
[09:13] <acheronuk> they did it anyway as I insisted
[09:14] <acheronuk> which immediately got my missing 2Mbps download back, and doubled my upload back to where it had been :)
 \o/
[19:33] <valorie> weeeeeeeeeeeeeee
 https://www.zdnet.com/article/mark-shuttleworth-dishes-on-where-canonical-and-ubuntu-linux-are-going-next/
 "because, while "I think GNOME is a nicely done desktop," many Ubuntu users are now objecting to GNOME. Shuttleworth also had kind words about the KDE Neon, MATE, and LXDE desktops. Still, "I do miss Unity, but I use GNOME." "
[19:44] <valorie> not plasma, but KDE Neon?
[19:44] <valorie> ok.....
[19:44] <valorie> still, that's better than the suits against neon that some feared


[02:49] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> https://salsa.debian.org/debian/xscreensaver/-/merge_requests/5 I know no one here probably has the authority to merge this, but review is welcome.
[02:49] -ubot93:#lubuntu-devel- Merge 5 in debian/xscreensaver "Two bugfixes and a usability improvement" [Opened]