[00:41] <wallyworld> wgrant: StevenK: local search removal was "inadvertent" http://www.androidcentral.com/international-galaxy-s3-local-search-removal-inadvertent-says-samsung-patch-coming
[00:43] <StevenK> Hah
[00:44] <wallyworld> at least the UK courts have some sense. i can't wait to see those Apple "We are sorry" ads they will be forced to run
[00:48] <wgrant> :)
[00:49] <StevenK> wallyworld: Have you read The Rainmaker by John Grisham?
[00:50] <wallyworld> StevenK: no. what;s it about?
[00:50] <StevenK> A lawyer, effectively.
[00:50] <wallyworld> of course, stuoid question :-)
[00:52] <StevenK> wallyworld: I can just draw a few parallels between the court battle in The Rainmaker and Samsung v Apple in the US and the UK
[00:53] <wallyworld> i for the life of me will never understand how Apple has got away with all their shit in the US. i mean wtf. how did things get so broken
[00:53] <wallyworld> they must have photos of judges or something
[00:54] <StevenK> Or the judges are Apple fans.
[00:54] <StevenK> "The American company MUST win, the Koreans obviously stole everything." etc
[00:55] <wallyworld> yeah :-( But their Korean CEO wasn't quoted as saying "Good artists copy, great artists steal" or whatever it was
[00:57] <StevenK> Oh my god, can I delete lib/lp/bugs/doc/bugnotification-sending.txt for being utterly disgusting?
[01:01] <wallyworld> only if you convert to unit tests :-P
[01:01] <StevenK> wallyworld: Read through it and then say that with a straight face.
[01:02] <wallyworld> but then how could I push your buttons
[01:07] <wgrant> StevenK: I think that was the first LP test I touched
[01:07] <wgrant> So it has a special place in my heart.
[01:07] <wgrant> Kill.
[01:08] <StevenK> wgrant: I've stopped it failing at least.
[01:08] <StevenK> 12 files changed, 21 insertions(+), 299 deletions(-)
[01:09] <wgrant> Yeah
[01:09] <wgrant> I changed most of that test
[01:09] <wgrant> Well, reordered
[01:09] <wgrant> Since my first LP change caused the order to no longer be undefined
[01:09] <StevenK> 1407 lib/lp/bugs/doc/bugnotification-sending.txt
[01:09] <StevenK> Holy crap
[01:09] <wgrant> $ bzr cdiff -c8976 'lib/lp/bugs/doc/bugnotification-sending.txt' | wc -l
[01:09] <wgrant> 1060
[01:10] <StevenK> wgrant: So I can bzr rm it from the tree for making peoples lives miserable?
[01:11] <wgrant> Heh
[01:21] <StevenK> wallyworld, wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/no-implicit-maintainer-sub/+merge/116991
[01:22] <wallyworld> looking
[01:22] <wgrant> StevenK: +21? What is this treachery?
[01:23] <StevenK> I've got a locksmith turning up in about five
[01:23] <wallyworld> StevenK: couldn't you open the handcuffs? you still attached to the bed?
[01:23] <StevenK> wallyworld: Hah
[01:24] <StevenK> wallyworld: The deadbolt on the front door stopped working on Tuesday. The bolt is fully retracted and no amount of fiddling has made it come out.
[01:24] <wgrant> StevenK: 521	-Foo Bar and Sample Person got subscribed to the bug. Foo Bar got
[01:24] <wgrant> 522	-subscribed "implicitly", because he's the product owner.
[01:24]  * wallyworld bites his tongue
[01:24] <wgrant> 523	+Foo Bar got subscribed to the bug.
[01:24] <wgrant> StevenK: Was the original text the wrong way around?
[01:24] <StevenK> wgrant: I have NFI
[01:24] <StevenK> I made a guess
[01:25] <StevenK> wallyworld: Oh?
[01:25] <wgrant> The code changes look correct, but that test change seems the wrong way around. I guess if it passes it doesn't matter...
[01:25] <wallyworld> StevenK: don't worry. my mind is full of things which are best left unsaid
[01:25] <StevenK> Is foo.bar Foo Bar or Sample Person?
[01:26] <wallyworld> should that line say "Sample Person ..."
[01:26] <wallyworld> since it previously said Foo Bar was the one implicitly subscribed
[01:26] <wgrant> StevenK: Hm. I am confuse
[01:27] <wgrant> StevenK: I think that code might be separate...
[01:28] <wgrant> StevenK: Observe that the same logic is present in get_also_notified_subscribers
[01:28] <wgrant> Maybe that's just to add the reason.
[01:29] <StevenK> if pillar.owner in also_notified_subscribers:
[01:29] <wgrant> Yeah
[01:29] <wgrant> So kill that block
[01:29] <wgrant> And addRegistrant
[01:29] <StevenK> Right
[01:29] <wgrant> And addRegistrant's tests
[01:29] <StevenK> MOAR KILLING
[01:30] <wgrant>     def addMaintainer(self, person):
[01:30] <wgrant>         """Registers a maintainer of a bugtask's pillar of this bug."""
[01:30] <wgrant> Looks suspicious as well, but I don't think it's actually used
[01:30] <wgrant> wtf
[01:31] <wgrant> wtf
[01:31] <wgrant> wtf
[01:31] <wgrant> lib/lp/bugs/subscribers/bug.py
[01:31] <wgrant> search for addMaintainer
[01:31] <wgrant> I've often wondered why that strangeness happened
[01:31] <wgrant> Now I know
[01:32] <wgrant> I'll a card for reworking that
[01:32] <wgrant> Or a bug
[01:32] <wgrant> It's separate code from what you're working on
[01:32] <wgrant> But should be reexamined in light of private structsubs
[01:32]  * StevenK watches the four bugnotificationrecipients.txt fall over in a heap of fail
[01:33] <wgrant> wallyworld, StevenK: Do you see any reason to keep the maintainer/bugsupervisor section of add_bug_change_notifications? I'm pretty sure it becomes irrelevant once structsubs work
[01:35] <wallyworld> wgrant: i think it can go
[01:35] <wgrant> StevenK: addSecurityContact isn't used or tested
[01:35] <wgrant> addBugSupervisor is used, but only in the condemned code like addMaintainer is
[01:37] <StevenK> wgrant: I'm to kill addMaintainer, or is that for later?
[01:37] <wgrant> StevenK: This branch is big enough. Kill addSecurityContact since it's unused, and we'll investigate addMaintainer/addBugSupervisor's single callsite later
[01:37] <wgrant> "later" may mean after lunch
[01:38] <StevenK> wgrant: add{Registrant,SecurityContact}()'s killing has been pushed
[01:38] <wgrant> BugNotificationRecipients is going to be like 2 lines by the time you're done
[01:39] <StevenK> This sounds like an excellent plan
[01:42] <StevenK> wgrant, wallyworld: Diff updated
[01:42] <wgrant> StevenK: Thanks
[01:42] <wgrant> I've verified that the suspicious changes were just a bug in the old test.
[01:43] <wgrant> r=me
[01:43] <StevenK> This is my surprised face.
[01:44] <StevenK> wgrant: no-qa or is there a bug for this?
[01:44] <wgrant> Now now
[01:44] <wgrant> Doctests are people too
[01:44] <wallyworld> this? :O
[01:44] <wgrant> StevenK: There may not be a bug, but there should be
[01:44] <StevenK> Let me file one and create a card
[01:44] <wgrant> ie. if there isn't, file
[01:46] <wgrant> I thought there was one, but I can't find it. So file a new one :)
[01:46] <wgrant> StevenK: Bug #483521 is relevant to the next phase of this
[01:46] <_mup_> Bug #483521: Allow the project owner to appoint other people as the bug supervisor <lp-bugs> <supervisor> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/483521 >
[01:48] <StevenK> Bug #113825 could also be
[01:48] <_mup_> Bug #113825: Null bug supervisor is confusing <confusing-ui> <disclosure> <lp-bugs> <sharing> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/113825 >
[01:49] <wgrant> StevenK: Sort of
[01:49] <wgrant> But not directly.
[01:49]  * StevenK files a new bug
[01:52] <StevenK> wgrant: Bug #1029725
[01:52] <_mup_> Bug #1029725: Pillar owners should not be implicity notified about bugs <bugs> <disclosure> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1029725 >
[01:52] <wallyworld> wgrant: as far as i can tell, there's no api to get a bug by id honouring the privacy rules. i can add a bug_id parameter to BugTaskSearchParams. do you have an issue with this?
[01:52] <wgrant> StevenK: Bug #1029724
[01:52] <_mup_> Bug #1029724: Retargeting a private bug notifies maintainer and bug supervisor without subscriptions <disclosure> <email> <sharing> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1029724 >
[01:53] <wgrant> wallyworld: bug= should work
[01:53] <wgrant> It's meant to cope with an ID too, I'm pretty sure
[01:53] <wallyworld> ok, i didn't realise that supported taking an id
[01:53] <wallyworld> will check
[01:54] <wgrant>     standard_args = {                                                                                |                self.distroseries = distroseries
[01:54] <wgrant>         BugTaskFlat.bug: params.bug,
[01:54] <StevenK> wgrant: Hm.
[01:54] <wgrant> It'll compare it with the Storm Reference
[01:54] <StevenK> wgrant: Both of them?
[01:54] <wgrant> Which should work for an ID
[01:54] <wgrant> StevenK: ?
[01:54] <StevenK> wgrant: Oh, is the 724 the upcoming work?
[01:54] <wgrant> StevenK: Yeah, 724 is the next bit
[01:55] <wgrant> 724 is about removing the implicit, hardcoded, un-opt-outable subscription
[01:55] <wgrant> 521 is part of removing the automatic structural subscription given to bugsupervisors
[01:55]  * StevenK notes Coding has been wallyworld'd
[01:56] <wallyworld> StevenK: i have a branch which fixes 4 bugs
[01:56] <wgrant> Hm
[01:56] <wgrant> I think that's all of it
[01:57] <wgrant> After fixing those two, you'll only be notified about a project's bugs if you ask to be notified about a project's bugs :)
[01:57] <wgrant> A revolutionary concept, I know
[01:57] <StevenK> wgrant: Tossing it at ec2.
[01:58] <wgrant> Great.
[01:58]  * wgrant wanders off for a while.
[02:42] <StevenK> wgrant: Can haz pre-impl? Or a review?
[02:42] <wgrant> As for preimp... you basically just need to copy the status/importance stuff
[02:42] <wgrant> It's identical
[02:44] <StevenK> wgrant: Where does that get stuffed into the DB?
[02:44] <wgrant>     TABLE "bugsubscriptionfilterstatus" CONSTRAINT "bugsubscriptionfilterstatus_filter_fkey" FOREIGN KEY (filter) REFERENCES bugsubscriptionfilter(id)
[02:45] <StevenK> Right
[02:51] <StevenK> Rargh, it's a new table, not even a column :-(
[02:51] <wgrant> Right
[02:51] <wgrant> Since it's many-to-many
[03:51] <StevenK> wgrant: Uhhhh. lib/lp/archiveuploader/tests/nascentupload-closing-bugs.txt fails with the death, murder and destruction we did this morning.
[03:52] <wgrant> StevenK: Failure is expected, but in what manner?
[03:52] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1113149/
[03:53] <wgrant> StevenK: Right, is there anything odd in the slightest about that?
[03:53] <wgrant> Seems completely expected
[03:53] <wgrant> You removed a notification mechanism
[03:53] <wgrant> And now some notifications aren't happening.
[04:36] <lifeless> wgrant: StevenK: https://code.launchpad.net/~lifeless/python-oops-tools/report-recipient/+merge/116999 if you want less mail.
[04:40] <wgrant> lifeless: r=me
[05:00] <StevenK> wgrant: Review?
[05:02] <wgrant> StevenK: I'm trying to break it
[05:03] <wgrant> It's not going very well
[05:03] <StevenK> Hahaha
[05:04] <StevenK> I guess this means I am smart enough to write it
[05:06] <wgrant> I need more monitors
[05:08] <StevenK> Hah
[05:09] <StevenK> wgrant: I have the DB patch up
[05:10] <wgrant> StevenK: Is it as immense as I expect?
[05:10] <StevenK> +24
[05:11] <wgrant> Looks good
[05:19] <wgrant> StevenK: How's no-implicit-maintainer-sub doing in EC2?
[05:19] <StevenK> no-implicit-maintainer-sub => devel       [FAILED]   (up for 3:19:34) i-96b9b5ee
[05:20] <StevenK> nascentupload-closing-bugs.txt is the only failure
[05:20] <wgrant> Excellent
[05:21] <StevenK> So I guess I can lp-land it in about an hour
[05:42] <wgrant> StevenK: r not quite equals me
[05:42] <StevenK> wgrant: Oh? Why?
[05:46] <StevenK> wgrant: assignees behaves differently depending if there is a bugtask or not, I wanted to support both.
[05:47] <wgrant> StevenK: Which bit's that about?
[05:47] <StevenK> Why have you split the subquery out into a separate local? Might as well inline it, or at least not shadow a builtin. Also, did you consider inlining the subsequent filter into load_people's where argument?
[05:48] <StevenK> I considered the Or/True thing for whatever I rename forbidden_recipients_filter to, so I'll do that.
[05:53] <wgrant> Ah
[06:30] <StevenK> wgrant: no-implicit-maintainer-sub is in r15699
[06:30] <wgrant> So I saw
[06:31] <poolie> lifeless, hi
[06:31] <poolie> hi all
[06:31] <wgrant> Hi poolie.
[06:31] <poolie> well done on the privacy and other recent changes
[06:35] <spm> hey poolie
[06:35] <lifeless> poolie: hi
[06:35] <StevenK> poolie: O hai
[06:37]  * StevenK steals r15700
[07:45] <adeuring> good morning
[07:51] <czajkowski> hey adeuring
[07:51] <adeuring> hi czajkowski!
[08:08] <jml> gary_poster, benji (others welcome): we're looking at switching our dependency management to buildout and were wondering if you could help us get started.
[09:54] <czajkowski> jcsackett: ping me when you're online please :)
[10:58] <benji> jml: I am about to be AFK for an hour and then I have calls and interviews for much of the day (similar for Gary) but I would love to help you with buildout if I can.
[10:58] <jml> benji: thanks!
[10:59] <jml> benji: https://code.launchpad.net/~james-w/pkgme-service-python/buildout/+merge/116980 has a summary of where we're at
[10:59] <benji> cool, I'll take a look when I have a spare moment; is there anything in particular you need added next or are you looking more for suggestions with what you have?
[11:01] <jml> benji: wondering if there are known workarounds for https://bugs.launchpad.net/zc.buildout/+bug/1029715 and possibly some direction in fixing it.
[11:01] <_mup_> Bug #1029715: bootstrap.py fails if there is a system-wide install of the desired buildout version <Buildout:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1029715 >
[11:01] <jml> benji: also confirmation of our approach in sharing eggs
[11:02] <benji> sounds good, I'll take a look when I can
[11:02] <jml> benji: and of course we'd welcome any feedback from you & gary since you've got way more experience with this and will probably have suggestions on things we wouldn't think to ask about.
[11:03] <jml> benji: thanks.
[11:59] <Brooklyn> How can I configure launchpad to send notifications(email)?  Any hints?
[12:03] <gary_poster> jml, hi.  I will be more than happy to leave that to benji's capable hands, but also will be happy to help later if needed.
[14:29] <sinzui> jcsackett: can you investigate why comment hiding is broken on a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1029668
[14:29] <_mup_> Bug #1029668: Hide Comment works sometimes, doesn't work other times <comments> <disclosure> <information-type> <javascript> <regression> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1029668 >
[14:30] <jcsackett> sinzui: looking.
[14:32] <sinzui> jcsackett: maybe comment hiding does not work with the comments that are loaded in the sceond phase
[14:33] <jcsackett> sinzui: i think it has been fixed by my last comment js branch, which has landed.
[14:33] <jcsackett> sinzui: open the same bug on qastaging and see if you can reproduce. i cannot, though i can on production.
[14:34] <sinzui> jcsackett: the low number comments can be hidden, but I cannot hide the high number comments. I think the division is the comments that are loaded by the timer are inserted into the dom, but they are not wired for comments
[14:34] <jcsackett> sinzui: right, and that isn't an issue in the refactor i did, as it just puts a delegate listener on the container for all comments.
[14:36] <sinzui> jcsackett: I agree that delegates fixed the issue.
[14:36] <jcsackett> sinzui: fantastic.
[14:36] <sinzui> jcsackett: claim the bug, mark it fix committed, and a card in the ready lane
[14:36] <jcsackett> will do.
[14:40] <czajkowski> jcsackett: ignore ping that was the bug I was looking for you for.
[14:44] <abentley> adeuring: Could you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~abentley/launchpad/re-roll-r15692/+merge/117070 ?
[14:44] <adeuring> abentley: sure
[14:50] <adeuring> abentley: r=me
[14:51] <abentley> adeuring: Thanks!
[15:11] <czajkowski> benji: sorry I go by the online calendar :)
[15:12] <benji> czajkowski: as you should; I am sorry I didn't get my leave in earlier
[15:12] <abentley> sinzui: http://people.canonical.com/~curtis/lp-milestone/report.html is in the iso-8859-1 encoding, but contains what appears to be a utf-8-encoded character after "In progress and fix committed", etc.
[15:12] <sinzui> that sucks.
[15:12] <sinzui> I will fix that today
[15:13] <sinzui> thank you abentley
[15:13] <abentley> sinzui: np
[15:13] <czajkowski> benji: no bother I try and sent out it out late UK time on a Friday
[18:10] <sinzui> jcsackett: I like your proposal to keep the bug info in one column. I think the misalignment of ids is acceptable and will not happen often. You may have noticed that when we moved the related bug to the MP summary, we got phantom space caused by attempts to handle unwanted table columns...your code might be reusable to fix the MP page
[18:24] <jcsackett> sinzui: awesome, thanks.
[19:05] <jcsackett> sinzui: do you have time to look at the finished branch for me? https://code.launchpad.net/~jcsackett/launchpad/misaligned-details/+merge/117118
[19:05] <sinzui> I will do that now
[19:05] <jcsackett> thanks.
[19:07] <sinzui> jcsackett: I don't think class="amount" is needed
[19:07] <jcsackett> sinzui: no? i'll remove it and check how it looks.
[19:07] <jcsackett> i think that was just cribbed from other layouts.
[19:08] <sinzui> jcsackett: yes, it means right align the number in the table column
[19:08] <sinzui> is class="icon left" really doing something? I think it want to float an icon, but we are using a sprite
[19:09] <sinzui> oh, jcsackett you may need to add action-icon to the sprite so that older browsers see it
[19:10] <jcsackett> sinzui: not sure. it was "icon right" which had the sprite sort of misaligned with the edge of the table.
[19:10] <jcsackett> "icon left" fixed that.
[19:10] <sinzui> Older browser do not show empty spans, so we need the action-icon, and that turns the span into an inline-block which will change the float behaviour.
[19:12] <sinzui> jcsackett: okay, I understand. we might need it, check that it is still needed after action-icon. I don't think anything should be floated, but we might have to if something else is making other parts float
[19:14] <jcsackett> sinzui: dig.
[19:14] <sinzui> jcsackett:  the sprite could also be on the bug id so we do not need the action-icon and we have less markup to manage
[19:14] <jcsackett> sinzui: ah, nice idea.
[19:14] <sinzui> oh, and that makes the table item rules from bugs and branch almost the same
[19:19] <jcsackett> sinzui: hm. adding sprite onto the bug id span and removing the enclosing span ends up with everything floating a bit too far right from the edge of the table.
[19:19] <jcsackett> getting you a screenshot.
[19:20] <jcsackett> sinzui: http://people.canonical.com/~jc/images/misaligned-with-new-markup.png
[19:22] <sinzui> jcsackett: with the removal of 3 columns, we have ambigous colspans being used by bugs and branches. We just want one column for the td
[19:32] <sinzui> jcsackett: when I hack the html in https://qastaging.launchpad.net/launchpad/+sharing/abentley to do what what you tried, I see the bug sprites finally line up with the branch sprites.
[19:35] <sinzui> jcsackett: I see the issue, it is not just the colspan, it is the extra cols in colgroups
[19:36] <sinzui> we do not need the first two with your change
[19:36] <jcsackett> sinzui: ok. so i'll remove the extra col stuff and ping you when i've got that all working.
[20:26] <jcsackett> sinzui: fixes pushed up. sorry for the delay, my znc server has crashed.
[20:26] <sinzui> np
[20:28] <sinzui> jcsackett: move {{bug_id}} from amount into the sprite
[20:28] <sinzui> then delete the amount span
[20:28] <sinzui> and most importantly, does it look good after you make the change?
[20:29] <jcsackett> sinzui: it looked perfect post change. http://people.canonical.com/~jc/images/simplified-markup.png
[20:29] <sinzui> fab.
[20:29] <sinzui> Then r=me


[12:50] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[20:23] -queuebot:#kubuntu-devel- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Kinetic Beta] (20220927.1) has been added


[01:07] <telexl> hello room.  I've just booted the Xubuntu 9.10 live CD on my Compaq Presario notebook.  I needed to boot with 'safe graphics mode', or nothing appeared on the screen.  I've got a login prompt, which surprises me.  What do I login as?
[01:08] <hatake_kakashi> try ubuntu or live
[01:08] <telexl> hatake_kakashi: thanks.  i'll try it now.
[01:09] <telexl> it's rather slow - it's got a 500 MHz Celeron and 192MB RAM - takes a long time.
[01:10] <hatake_kakashi> yeah you do realise you are somewhat pushing the limits
[01:10] <hatake_kakashi> but probably the biggest bottleneck would be going through cd
[01:14] <telexl> hatake_kakashi: yes - it's quite slow.  I've tried various combinations of 'ubuntu' and 'live' as the username and password, and it's not accepting it.  I think something else is going on here.
[01:14] <telexl> Maybe I should try something 'leaner', such as Slackware?
[01:18] <hatake_kakashi> that or maybe something like puppylinux
[01:19] <telexl> hatake_kakashi: :)  Actually I have Puppy installed, but I needed a live environment to flash the firmware of a prism2 CF wireless card that is from a Zaurus SL-5500.  It's all got quite complicated.
[01:30] <telexl> thanks.  logging out
[02:45] <bearodactyl> anyone know how to adjust mouse DPI or otherwise lower the sensitivity in xfce?
[02:45] <bearodactyl> its killing me.  so sensitive
[02:45] <hatake_kakashi> Applications > Settings > Mouse
[02:49] <bearodactyl> Still crazy fast, I tried that two days ago lol.  xset m blah/blah has almost no effect even at crazy settings.  razertool-gtk doesn't work either.
[02:49] <bearodactyl> hang though, i think I found something o nthe forums...
[02:50] <hatake_kakashi> what, even at the lowest setting?
[02:50] <el3ment> hey :P
[02:50] <hatake_kakashi> hi
[02:52] <bearodactyl> hatake_kakashi: yes, it does make a difference, but its still outrageously fast
[02:52] <el3ment> i have a question - where can download ubuntu x64 cuz in official site is only x86
[02:52] <hatake_kakashi> bearodactyl, and you have a razor mouse? isn't there a profile setting on the bottom of the mouse which can be switched on the dial
[02:52] <hatake_kakashi> el3ment, its called amd64
[02:54] <el3ment> hmm
[02:54] <bearodactyl> hatake_kakashi: not on the one I have
[02:54] <el3ment> hatake_kakashi can u give me a link to this 64 bit distribution cant find it
[02:55] <bearodactyl> opps
[02:55] <bearodactyl> oops* lol
[02:55] <hatake_kakashi> bearodactyl, weird, older mouse I gather? the one I had was copperhead
[02:55] <hatake_kakashi> el3ment, you can't see amd64?
[02:56] <bearodactyl> yeah, its a razer pro|click, which is basically a white copperhead marketed at mac users.  few years old.
[02:56] <el3ment> nope oly lin 9.10 32 bit
[02:56] <el3ment> nope oly link 9.10 32 bit
[02:56] <bearodactyl> I have a ps/2 ball mouse that works fine...but its a freaking ball mouse.
[02:56] <bearodactyl> don't want to use it
[02:56] <hatake_kakashi> humm don't have that mouse but on mine its on the bottom of the mouse, there's a button on there
[02:57] <el3ment> hatake_kakashi see --> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
[02:57] <el3ment> only 32 bit version
[02:59] <hatake_kakashi> el3ment, I can see 64 bit version for download, maybe you forgot to select advanced options or something
[02:59] <el3ment> im want to run home desktop ubuntu not server :)
[02:59] <el3ment> advanced option hmm
[03:00] <el3ment> not see any kind of option link on the page :)
[03:01] <hatake_kakashi> its on there, look for it or something similar
[03:02] <el3ment> im stupid or this site is one big mess :D
[03:02] <hatake_kakashi> see alternative download options
[03:03] <el3ment> ohh im find it :)
[03:03] <el3ment> ty :D
[03:03] <bearodactyl> hmmm, xinput list shows it as a diamondback
[03:03] <bearodactyl> with 15 buttons, loll
[03:04] <hatake_kakashi> gotta love autoprobe
[03:05] <bearodactyl> haha, it also thinks my usb headset is a keyboard...wtf
[03:07] <el3ment> can i run kde 4.0 on this ubuntu ? :)
[03:07] <el3ment> sry for my noobish questions :)
[03:07] <hatake_kakashi> its called kubuntu
[03:07] <bearodactyl> kubuntu
[03:08] <bearodactyl> If you're into that sort of thing.  Best thing I ever did with KDE was "apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop && apt-get install xubuntu-desktop"
[03:08] <el3ment> this is part from original 64bit.ubuntu.iso or i must download kubuntu verion specificaly ?
[03:08] <bearodactyl> If there's not a version for download, just get whatever is there and you can change it later
[03:08] <el3ment> whats the diferents ?
[03:08] <hatake_kakashi> different frontend
[03:08] <bearodactyl> different desktop environments
[03:09] <bearodactyl> Just preference mostly.  XFCE (xubuntu) is very lightweight, Gnome and KDE are a little more full featured.
[03:09] <bearodactyl> A lot of people don't like KDE4 though.
[03:10] <bearodactyl> 3 was usable.  4 makes me want to throw up on my computer
[03:10] <el3ment> why cuz everything is shiny in kde 4 ?
[03:10] <hatake_kakashi> there's lxde which to me looks similar to kde3 but someone else said more like kde2
[03:10] <el3ment> and cartoon ? :)
[03:10] <hatake_kakashi> different people different tastes
[03:10] <el3ment> yea thats true
[03:13] <el3ment> i will install ubuntu with windows installer and i see only ubuntu Graphic environments
[03:13] <el3ment> can i change this late with kde4 ?
[03:14] <hatake_kakashi> its called kubuntu-desktop, you have to download and install it, similar to what bearodactyl said
[03:14] <el3ment> ahh
[03:15] <el3ment> this is after im install ubuntu with defoult desktop
[03:15] <hatake_kakashi> or you could have simply downloaded kubuntu
[03:16] <el3ment> hmm
[03:16] <hatake_kakashi> and seriously why aren't you asking these questions in #kubuntu? why here when its not really related to xfce?
[03:18] <el3ment> sry im new ind this area and asking questions everywhere :)
[03:19] <bearodactyl> if you have default, you can do sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop && apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop
[03:19] <bearodactyl> best bet is to just download the one you want to begin with
[03:19] <bearodactyl> so long as it is available
[03:19] <el3ment> ok ty :)
[03:20] <el3ment> i will try first kubuntu :) then others :)
[03:21] <bearodactyl> ok.  Personally I use the minimal iso.  That way you can pick and choose what you want while installing
[03:21] <bearodactyl> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[03:22] <bearodactyl> plus it saves time on updating everything after the install is finished
[03:22] <bearodactyl> and your disc is always up to date
[03:25] <el3ment> what i must choose for instalation size there have option between 5 and 20 GB
[03:28] <bearodactyl> are you using the windows installer?
[03:29] <hatake_kakashi> he left
[03:30] <bearodactyl> oh yeah lol.  I didn't look that closely
[04:09] <robertzaccour> thinkin about the xfce switch. any pros or cons compared to gnome?
[04:26] <robertzaccour> anyone here?
[06:10] <Balsaq> good morning...Lords of the Qode.
[06:20] <moetunes> is there an preferred method of adding to the application menu?
[06:21] <Balsaq> please elaborate moetunes
[06:22] <moetunes> I just installed xvnc4viewer and didn't end up with a menu entry for it in network or anywhere - I want one
[06:22] <moetunes> so I figured I would add it
[07:56] <Balsaq> -FoogatzPipe- if you are good we may be able to use you...but i have a funny feeling you are a numbskull :(
[08:03] <_Techie_> umm, bal wrong channel
[08:03] <moetunes> I had to check my ignore page...
[08:35] <moetunes> how do I get a static ip address on my lan - there's no option in network manager
[08:36] <hatake_kakashi> under IPv4 settings
[08:37] <hatake_kakashi> and no you can't get one, you must set one, to get one you need to configure your router to lease you a static type IP
[08:38] <moetunes> I've always set one in /etc/network/interfaces
[08:38] <moetunes> can I remove network manager since it is so limited
[08:38] <hatake_kakashi> yeah you could still probably do it the old fashioned way, just remove network manager
[08:39] <hatake_kakashi> probably could or better yet make it not manage any device
[08:39] <moetunes> I'll try that thnx
[08:49] <moetunes> woot! - static ip for me :)
[10:45] <_Techie_> moetunes, good to see another user sticking to the good ol' config files
[12:22] <_Techie_> how can i pull cpu information from command line, information such as FSB clock speed, L2 cache size
[12:23] <Sysi> cat /proc/cpuinfo ?
[12:24] <_Techie_> works a charm
[12:24] <_Techie_> once again you save my hide
[12:25] <_Techie_> however not my sanity
[12:27] <_Techie_> does anyone have any spare CPU's about?
[12:27] <_Techie_> most likely someone whose upgraded from a p4 to a dual core of the same socket type
[13:25] <IlmariL> win 8
[13:25] <IlmariL> sorry :)
[13:27] <Sysi> luckily not win 7 :P
[13:39] <moetunes> I just installed 9.10 alongside a dapper server based install - vlc in 9.10 uses 40% cpu to play an avi and vlc on dapper uses 0-1% to play the same file?
[14:31] <xubuntu278> I have just tried installing xubuntu 10.4 beta 1. But on rebooting grub couldn't find the primary hard disk. Anything I could do?
[14:31] <charlie-tca> !grub
[14:31] <charlie-tca> !grub2
[15:01] <Arpad2> hello
[15:01] <charlie-tca> !hi
[15:02] <Arpad2> ok, thx!
[15:02] <Arpad2> can I add a program icon to my xubuntu desktop, for instance the icon of the opera browser?
[15:03] <charlie-tca> sure, but if you want to run opera from the desktop, you need to add a launcher
[15:03] <Arpad2> thx, and how can I get the launcher?
[15:03] <charlie-tca> just right click the desktop, left click create launcher
[15:04] <Arpad2> ok , I will try this, Thx!:)
[15:04] <Sysi> btw. it's fun that xfce is "wiser" adding launchers to desktop than panel
[15:05]  * charlie-tca thinks adding to the panel was an after the facts thing
[15:06] <Arpad2> I did it ! it works ! thank you charlie-tca!
[15:06] <Sysi> charlie-tca: but on desktop you get suggestions while starting to type
[15:06] <charlie-tca> Arpad2: You are welcome
[15:07] <Arpad2> next question. How can I play mp3 files without converting them to ogg files?
[15:07] <charlie-tca> Sysi: you do? I have not used that in a very long time
[15:07] <charlie-tca> Arpad2: should be able to use exaile
[15:07] <Arpad2> but it doesnt like mp3
[15:08] <Sysi> install xubuntu-restricted-extras (which also contais other useful stuff)
[15:08] <Arpad2> ok, where can I fins these xtras?
[15:08] <Arpad2> find
[15:09] <Arpad2> sorry, Im barely I week old linus user
[15:09] <Sysi> synaptic
[15:09] <Arpad2> ok
[15:09] <Arpad2> i look into it
[15:09] <Sysi> in menu under system
[15:09] <Arpad2> thx
[15:11] <moetunes> g++ doesn't support shared libraries - what am I missing pls?
[15:55] <Arpad2> can I copy files from Drive C on which is XP, to drive E on which is xubuntu, the file manager doest see the drive c nor d
[15:55] <Arpad2> ?
[15:56] <charlie-tca> yes, you should be able to, if you can see the files already on E
[15:56] <moetunes> Arpad2: those drives prob aren't mounted in xubuntu
[15:57] <Arpad2> which means what exactly? i installed the linux on on drive e
[15:57] <Arpad2> drives c and d are still left for microsoft
[15:58] <Sysi> did you use wubi?
[15:58] <moetunes> the file manager doesn't see the drive c nor d - is that what you meant?
[15:58] <Arpad2> yes
[15:59] <Arpad2> but i didnt use wubi
[15:59] <Arpad2> should I try?
[15:59] <moetunes> no you did a better thing installing to a partition
[16:00] <moetunes> are the windows partitions ntfs?
[16:00] <Arpad2> interesting that neither the xp sees now the drive e
[16:01] <moetunes> windows never sees the linux partitions
[16:01] <Arpad2> hello moetunes
[16:01] <Arpad2> ok
[16:01] <moetunes> hi there Arpad2
[16:01] <Arpad2> what is ntfs?
[16:01] <moetunes> a choice of file system for windows - it's the default
[16:02] <moetunes> most linux is on ext3 filesystem
[16:03] <Arpad2> sorry I dont know the answer, which kind of filesystem the OS is using
[16:03] <moetunes> more than likely it is ntfs - I have never used ntfs so maybe someone with windows experience will speak up...
[16:05] <Arpad2> interestingly if i search for files than the two windows drives appear
[16:06] <moetunes> be interesting to know if your /etc/fstab file shows those drives
[16:06] <charlie-tca> I would guess xp and vista will be ntfs
[16:06] <Arpad2> ok
[16:07] <charlie-tca> That is what they default to
[16:08] <Arpad2> no fstab folder
[16:08] <moetunes> isn't ntfs-3g needed then?
[16:08] <moetunes> fstab is a file in /etc
[16:08] <Arpad2> ok
[16:08] <moetunes> further down
[16:09] <Arpad2> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[16:09] <Arpad2> #
[16:09] <Arpad2> # Use 'blkid -o value -s UUID' to print the universally unique identifier
[16:09] <Arpad2> # for a device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name
[16:09] <Arpad2> # devices that works even if disks are added and removed. See fstab(5).
[16:09] <Arpad2> #
[16:09] <Arpad2> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[16:09] <Arpad2> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[16:09] <Arpad2> # / was on /dev/sdb1 during installation
[16:09] <Arpad2> UUID=5dc16851-0f57-4645-88e1-94a3d3d20714 /               ext4    errors=remount-ro 0       1
[16:09] <Arpad2> # swap was on /dev/sdb5 during installation
[16:09] <Arpad2> UUID=10b52446-4652-4366-86de-251582d21d5d none            swap    sw              0       0
[16:09] <Arpad2> /dev/scd0       /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0       0
[16:09] <Arpad2> /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto,exec,utf8 0       0
[16:09] <Arpad2> this is it :)
[16:10] <charlie-tca> !pastebin
[16:10] <moetunes> hehe - doesn't seem like they are
[16:10] <moetunes> isn't ntfs-3g needed then? - charlie-tca
[16:10] <charlie-tca> It is needed in the mount command, yes
[16:11] <charlie-tca> something like 'sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/??? /media/???
[16:12] <moetunes> be good to put it in fstab for Arpad2
[16:12] <charlie-tca> or in fstab "/dev/sd? /media/window-c ntfs-3g,user,auto     0     0
[16:12] <moetunes> thnx :)
[16:12] <charlie-tca> without the quotes
[16:13] <charlie-tca> You also have to create the directories to mount in /media
[16:13] <Arpad2> i should type sth in the terminal?
[16:13] <charlie-tca> Windows should be on sda1
[16:13] <Arpad2> correct
[16:14] <charlie-tca> in terminal, type    sudo mkdir /media/windows-c
[16:14] <Arpad2> ok
[16:14] <charlie-tca> Then type       sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /media/windows-c
[16:15] <charlie-tca> then try to look at the drive in thunar
[16:15] <charlie-tca> now that I think of it, you could use gigolo to see the windows drives, too
[16:16] <charlie-tca> Applications -> system -> shared drives  or  Gigolo ?
[16:16] <Arpad2> ok
[16:16] <Arpad2> i did the two sudo commands
[16:17] <charlie-tca> any errors?
[16:17] <Misio> Hello to everyone and happy easter
[16:17] <Arpad2> arpad@arpad-desktop:~/Desktop$  sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /media/windows-cThe disk contains an unclean file system (0, 0).
[16:17] <Arpad2> The file system wasn't safely closed on Windows. Fixing.
[16:17] <Arpad2> arpad@arpad-desktop:~/Desktop$
[16:17] <charlie-tca> !hi | Misio
[16:18] <charlie-tca> okay
[16:18] <Misio> I don't know if this is the right place but I wish to understand why 3D acceleration doesn't seems to work for me
[16:18] <charlie-tca> Arpad2: you should be able to see the windows files in the file manager now
[16:18] <Misio> Could anyone help me?
[16:18] <charlie-tca> Misio: what kind of video card?
[16:19] <charlie-tca> Did you install the hardware drivers?
[16:19] <Misio> I've a ATI Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x
[16:19] <Misio> It should use the Mesa drivers, already installed
[16:19] <charlie-tca> Hardware drivers installed? applications -> System -> Hardware Drivers
[16:20] <Misio> none listed
[16:20] <Misio> I don't understand that application... there is nothing listed...
[16:20] <charlie-tca> That is why you don't have 3d
[16:21] <charlie-tca> It doesn't see any ati specific hardware drivers for that card. It may be too old now
[16:21] <Misio> :s
[16:21] <moetunes> I thought the 2x meant agp at 2x - too slow for dri
[16:21] <charlie-tca> ati mobility is quite an old card
[16:21] <Misio> hmmm
[16:21] <charlie-tca> no, ati rage
[16:22] <Misio> glxinfo reports direct rendering enabled however
[16:22] <charlie-tca> hardware or software?
[16:22] <charlie-tca> doesn't matter
[16:22] <charlie-tca> you can have software direct rendering enabled without having 3d support
[16:22] <Arpad2> charlie-tca: I have shared folder only, not shared drives, and it says sharing services are not installed
[16:22] <Misio> so... there is nothing to do?
[16:23] <charlie-tca> Arpad2: doesn't it ask if you want to install them?
[16:23] <Arpad2> i does
[16:23] <charlie-tca> Misio: I don't have answers for ati, all my cards are nvidia
[16:23] <charlie-tca> !ati | Misio
[16:23] <Arpad2> it does
[16:23] <Misio> oh... thank you ubottu
[16:24] <charlie-tca> Arpad2: install samba
[16:24] <charlie-tca> ubottu is a robot
[16:24] <charlie-tca> ubottu, tell Misio about yourself
[16:24] <Arpad2> ok
[16:25] <Misio> oh... :D
[16:25] <charlie-tca> :-)
[16:29] <Arpad2> charlie-tca: samba has been installed
[16:30] <charlie-tca> okay. I think you can use the drive now, but if you want it permanent, you should add the mount to /etc/fstab
[16:31] <charlie-tca> I don't really use windows at all. Have not had a copy since windows 3.1
[16:31] <Arpad2> ok
[16:31] <Arpad2> :)
[16:31] <Arpad2> I have some password in keepass on windows
[16:31] <charlie-tca> been a year or two, I guess
[16:32] <Arpad2> is it possible to retrieve these from linux?
[16:32] <charlie-tca> I believe keepassx is compatible in ubuntu
[16:32] <charlie-tca> !keepassx
[16:32] <charlie-tca> broke it
[16:32] <charlie-tca> !info keepassx
[16:33] <charlie-tca> There is some documentation in /usr/share/doc/keepassx after you install it
[16:33] <Arpad2> ok, thank you!
[16:33] <charlie-tca> You should be able to use the same password file in both Xubuntu and Windows
[16:35] <Arpad2> ok
[16:44] <Arpad2> the exaile now plas the mp3s:), but file manager doest see the win
[16:45] <Misio> It seems that I'm unlucky
[16:46] <Misio> I already should have the best driver installed
[16:52] <charlie-tca> !gigolo | Arpad2
[16:52] <charlie-tca> !samba | Arpad2
[16:54] <Arpad2> ok
[16:54] <Arpad2> thank you charlie-tca
[16:55] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[16:56] <Arpad2> where can I find gigolo?
[16:57] <Arpad2>  :(
[16:57] <charlie-tca> applications -> System -> Gigolo  or  Applications -> System -> Shared ...
[16:59] <schlaftier> Applications -> System -> Remote Filesystems
[17:00] <charlie-tca> that too
[17:01] <Arpad2> ok
[17:06] <Arpad2> in remote is the gigolo:)
[17:07] <charlie-tca> yup
[17:07] <Arpad2> however it sees c only
[17:07] <charlie-tca> You never mounted d:
[17:07] <Arpad2> which means?
[17:08] <Arpad2> im still dummy... :(
[17:08] <charlie-tca> you created a directory in /media called windows-c, and then mounted it with sudo mount ...
[17:08] <charlie-tca> What drive is d: ? sda?
[17:08] <charlie-tca> maybe that is sda2
[17:08] <Misio> just another question... is it possible to configure HAL to force Xorg to load a specific driver?
[17:09] <Misio> I see that Xorg uses MATCH64
[17:09] <Misio> but it should use Rage128
[17:09] <charlie-tca> in terminal, type    sudo mkdir /media/windows-d
[17:09] <Arpad2> ok
[17:09] <Arpad2> :)
[17:09] <Arpad2> this i understand:)
[17:09] <charlie-tca> Then type       sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda2 /media/windows-d
[17:10] <Arpad2> ok
[17:10] <Misio> I don't think that it will help but it's just to try
[17:10] <charlie-tca> Misio: I think it can be done using /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[17:10] <charlie-tca> !xorg.conf
[17:11] <charlie-tca> Misio: or maybe google to find an example
[17:11] <Misio> Yes, I know but I've no xorg.conf because I use HAL
[17:11] <charlie-tca> You can create one
[17:11] <Misio> Yes charlie-tca... I was just wandering if it is possibile through HAL
[17:12] <charlie-tca> Yes, you can create it and it will work
[17:12] <Arpad2> ....
[17:13] <Arpad2> arpad@arpad-desktop:~/Desktop$ sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda2 /media/windows-d
[17:13] <Arpad2> NTFS signature is missing.
[17:13] <Arpad2> Failed to mount '/dev/sda2': Invalid argument
[17:13] <Arpad2> The device '/dev/sda2' doesn't seem to have a valid NTFS.
[17:13] <Arpad2> Maybe the wrong device is used? Or the whole disk instead of a
[17:13] <Arpad2> partition (e.g. /dev/sda, not /dev/sda1)? Or the other way around?
[17:13] <Arpad2> arpad@arpad-desktop:~/Desktop$
[17:14] <charlie-tca> okay, that is not the right number
[17:14] <Arpad2> :)
[17:14] <charlie-tca> how many hard drives do you have?
[17:14] <Arpad2> i thought so
[17:14] <Misio> well.. thank you charlie, happy easter to all... see you
[17:14] <Arpad2> 2
[17:14] <Arpad2> 3
[17:14] <Arpad2> rhree
[17:14] <Arpad2> three
[17:15] <Arpad2> sprry
[17:15] <Arpad2> sorry
[17:15] <charlie-tca> ah-ha
[17:15] <charlie-tca> and Xubuntu is on ?
[17:15] <Arpad2> two partitions( c,d) on one drive
[17:15] <Arpad2> on the second drive
[17:15] <Arpad2> drive E
[17:16] <Arpad2> that has ubuntu
[17:16] <charlie-tca> What is the third drive?
[17:16] <charlie-tca> two drives
[17:16] <Arpad2> I think im confusing the terms
[17:16] <Arpad2> i have two psisical HDD s
[17:17] <Arpad2> and one hdd has two partitions  ie c and d
[17:17] <Arpad2> and the other hdd has xubuntu
[17:18] <charlie-tca> okay
[17:19] <charlie-tca> go to /dev/disk/by-id and look at them
[17:19] <Arpad2> ok
[17:19] <charlie-tca> if you right click, left click properties, you can see the sd?? numbers
[17:19] <charlie-tca> what is there besides sda1 and sdb1  ?
[17:19] <Arpad2> just a sec
[17:22] <Arpad2> there is no mention of sda at all
[17:23] <charlie-tca> look at each one, in properties will be 'Link Target: ../../sd?
[17:24] <charlie-tca> every drive and partition should be listed
[17:25] <Arpad2> for first folder is sdb
[17:25] <Arpad2> but there are 16 folders
[17:25] <Arpad2> in by-id
[17:26] <charlie-tca> got to look at each one
[17:26] <Arpad2> in 2nd sdb1
[17:28] <charlie-tca> okay
[17:28] <Arpad2> shell i look into all 16?
[17:28] <charlie-tca> there will be sda, sda1, sdb, sdb1, sdb2
[17:28] <charlie-tca> yup
[17:28] <charlie-tca> each one is different
[17:29] <Arpad2> ok
[17:29] <Arpad2> what are these files?
[17:29] <Arpad2> (too comlicated?)
[17:29] <charlie-tca> you hard drives are sda and sdb
[17:29] <Arpad2> yea
[17:29] <charlie-tca> your partitions are the sdb1, sda1, etc
[17:29] <Arpad2> ok
[17:30] <charlie-tca> in linux, you will have a designator for each hard drive and for each partition and for each usb drive and each cd/dvd drive
[17:30] <Arpad2> ok
[17:31] <Arpad2> I have cd in my odd at the moment:)
[17:31] <charlie-tca> heh
[17:31] <charlie-tca> sda1 will be the first partition of the first hard drive
[17:31] <charlie-tca> sdb1 is the first partition of the second hard drive
[17:32] <charlie-tca> maybe you have sda1, sda2, sda3
[17:32] <charlie-tca> for windows?
[17:32] <charlie-tca> windows creates partitions you don't always know about
[17:32] <Arpad2> ok
[17:33] <charlie-tca> so, in the terminal, an up arrow will show the last commands, go up and change the sda2 to sda3
[17:33] <Arpad2> ok
[17:36] <Arpad2> is seems i dont have sda3
[17:37] <charlie-tca> sudo mount /dev/sda2 /media/windows-d
[17:38] <charlie-tca> it isn't ntfs, maybe
[17:39] <Arpad2>  you must specify the filesystem type
[17:39] <charlie-tca> I don't know  the filesystem type. I am at a loss now
[17:39] <Arpad2> ok
[17:39] <Arpad2> im sorry
[17:40] <Arpad2> i didnt want to confuse you
[17:40] <charlie-tca> anyone else know how to mount the windows drives?
[17:40] <charlie-tca> doesn't confuse me, I just don't have the knowledge
[17:41] <Sysi> i think it should work without specifing
[17:41] <charlie-tca> I haven't used windows since 2000
[17:41] <Sysi> easiest is to use nautilus :S
[19:55] <craigbass1976> I'm running xub alongside an xp box and using an usb kvm switch.  XP can't seem to figure out how to work correctly with this setup by default, but I've managed to get it so that both computers consistently use the same resolution.  Windows is kicked over to the left about a half an inch in relation to xubuntu though.  Is there a way to adjust this in xfce?
[19:55] <craigbass1976> I worry that trying to fix it in windows will break stuff... typical windows scenario
[19:56] <charlie-tca> Don't know any way in Xubuntu
[19:57] <charlie-tca> My monitors have a one-button alignment; push the button and the screen redraws to fit
[19:58] <craigbass1976> If I hit the auto button (on the monitor) everything is fine in linux.  Hit it when I'm lokoing at windows though, and everything kicks over about six inches
[19:58] <charlie-tca> weird. Gotta be something windows does wrong
[19:58] <craigbass1976> Are you kidding me?  Windows is perfect in every way.
[19:59] <craigbass1976> ;)
[19:59] <charlie-tca> Isn't there a windows channel? like ##windows?
[20:00] <Sysi> !windows
[20:01] <charlie-tca> That's the one. Thanks, Sysi
[20:02] <Sysi> i haven't tried that one but commonly it's very hard to get good help with windows.
[20:02] <charlie-tca> heh
[20:02] <charlie-tca> yup
[20:03] <craigbass1976> Lost cause.  If I could get a kitchen design program for linux, I'd not be needing this kvm switch in the first place
[20:04] <charlie-tca> like this? http://www.isoftwarereviews.com/interior-design-software-free-and-paid-solution/
[20:06] <charlie-tca> or maybe this: http://groups.google.fr/group/z1IiwS/web/free-kitchen-design-software
[20:07] <craigbass1976> No, like those on steroids.  It needs to have the different manufacturers spec books and prices.  I ofund one that's written in java, and so might work, but I haven't tried it out yet.
[20:35] <zoredache> on some systems if you press alt-f2 a dialog box will come up and you can enter a command to be ran?  What is path to the program that displays that box?  Is that part of the windows manager, or is it a seperate program?
[20:38] <craigbass1976> zoredache,  xfrun4 I think
[20:38] <craigbass1976> /usr/bin/xfrun4
[20:39] <charlie-tca> which is part of xfce4-utils
[20:40] <zoredache> craigbass1976, excelent, thanks.  I was trying to make a launcher to it
[20:40] <charlie-tca> zoredache: for xfce it is a separate module
[20:41] <craigbass1976> zoredache, why not just make a keyboard shortcut for a terminal?
[20:41] <zoredache> craigbass1976: because I am doing something very weird and keyboard shortcuts doesn't work with my setup
[20:41] <craigbass1976> Ctrl+k on my box opens up xfce4-terminal
[20:41] <Sysi> in xubuntu alt+f2 works by default
[20:42] <craigbass1976> zoredache, ok, well just stop being so weird.  ;)
[20:42] <knome> hello people.
[20:42] <Sysi> hello knome
[20:42] <zoredache> I would love to, but the requiments of my job make it necessary
[21:40] <kewkies> Hey everyone
[21:40] <Sysi> o hai
[21:40] <kewkies> heh
[22:29] <ramier> hi
[22:29] <ramier> im on xubuntu, and recently, i don't know how, but two volume controls appear in the panel, and my sound is having issues
[22:30] <ramier> two speaker like things, that look different, a new one just appeared recently


[01:05] <wallyworld> axw: quick HO? 1:1
[01:07] <wallyworld> thumper: you around?
[01:10] <axw> wallyworld: just got back, brt
[01:19] <babbageclunk> axw: take a look at https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7547?
[01:19] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: too late?
[01:19] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: no, there's a unit test failure we're trying to fix
[01:19] <wallyworld> i'll look
[01:20] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: thanks
[01:24] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: yeah, i think that looks good. a small surface area
[01:27] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: cool, thanks - hopefully makes it in!
[01:27] <wallyworld> it will :-)
[01:29] <wallyworld> axw: interestingly, i now see the test fails without --race but succeeds with --race. it seems likely related to the mutex i added to fix the race failures
[01:30] <axw> wallyworld: it doesn't matter whether you use -race or not, it's just time sensitive. I *think* the issue is due to flushing on ErrDying
[01:30] <axw> not sure tho yet
[01:30] <wallyworld> ok, i'll check back in soon hopefully
[01:31] <wallyworld> axw: you may need to pull my branch and re-propose  if you get a fix done before i get back
[01:31] <axw> wallyworld: ok
[01:31] <wallyworld> tyvm
[01:33] <wallyworld> axw: yeah, if we don't flush on dying that test passes and another fails
[01:34] <axw> wallyworld: I think the test is kinda bogus, and shouldn't assume it'll return an error
[01:35] <wallyworld> and now i can't get it to faio anymore
[01:36] <wallyworld> *fail
[01:36] <wallyworld> axw: i kinda agree
[01:37] <wallyworld> i might just tweak the test not to check for that error
[01:37] <wallyworld> it still checks that sync returns on shutdown
[01:39] <wallyworld> axw: done that, will land now
[01:39] <axw> wallyworld: we should probably have another tests that checks that that error is returned after the PingBatcher has completely stopped
[01:40] <wallyworld> probably
[01:40] <wallyworld> done
[01:42] <thumper> wallyworld: for now
[01:42] <wallyworld> thumper: tis ok
[01:42] <thumper> ack
[01:43] <wallyworld> axw: landing now, could you keep an eye out while i pop out and remerge if there's a spurious failure?
[01:44] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: your pr failed
[01:45] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: I saw - looks spurious
[01:45] <wallyworld> faaaark
[01:45] <wallyworld> yeah it does :-(
[01:46] <axw> wallyworld: yep np
[01:46] <babbageclunk> Running it under race detector now just to see
[01:46] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: tempted to merge by hand
[01:46] <wallyworld> so we can unblock the release
[01:46] <wallyworld> but i gotta run out for an hour]
[01:47] <wallyworld> veebers: burton-aus: race fix landing now. there's another pr from babbageclunk which just failed with a spurious error - we could merge that directly since CI will run the tests anyway
[01:48] <wallyworld> i'll check back in a bit
[01:50] <veebers> wallyworld: ack sounds good. Let us know which lands last, we'll check the build make sure everything is in there and watch the CI run
[02:02] <axw> babbageclunk: I have to go out for a little while too, can you please let veebers know when your branch has landed? wallyworld's just finished
[02:13] <babbageclunk> axw: wilco
[02:16] <babbageclunk> Everyone's going out. I think I'll go out in a bit.
[02:19] <blahdeblah> anyone able to give me a quick update on https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1676279 ?
[02:19] <mup> Bug #1676279: canceling destroy-model prevents further calls to destroy-model to succeed <destroy-model> <list-models> <juju:Fix Committed by anastasia-macmood> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1676279>
[02:19] <blahdeblah> anastasiamac: ^
[02:22]  * anastasiamac looking
[02:22] <anastasiamac> blahdeblah: yes, it would have been included in 2.2.0 as it was committed back in time for 2.2-b3.. I'll answer on the bug as well
[02:24] <blahdeblah> thanks anastasiamac
[02:24] <blahdeblah> also, any idea when 2.2.1 will be out?
[02:25] <blahdeblah> Also, any clarification on https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1699050 as to whether the workaround which wgrant tested needs to be applied to each model?
[02:25] <mup> Bug #1699050: remove-application regression on 2.1 -> 2.2 upgrade with subordinates <juju:In Progress by 2-xtian> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1699050>
[02:25] <blahdeblah> babbageclunk: ^
[02:33] <babbageclunk> veebers: Hey, my PR's just landed: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7547
[02:33] <anastasiamac> blahdeblah: aiming to release 2.2.1 today (last i've heard)
[02:36] <blahdeblah> babbageclunk: that's the one for the last bug above?
[02:36] <babbageclunk> blahdeblah: yup
[02:36] <blahdeblah> cool - thanks
[02:36] <blahdeblah> Anyone able to comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1669046 as well?
[02:36] <mup> Bug #1669046: juju-db very high load on primary controller unit <juju:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1669046>
[02:37] <veebers> babbageclunk: sweet
[02:37] <babbageclunk> blahdeblah: I was answering your second question. (Just in case you weren't sure.) It'll be in 2.2.1.
[02:38] <blahdeblah> yep
[02:38] <veebers> babbageclunk: that went in after Ians pingbatcher fix right?
[02:38] <babbageclunk> blahdeblah: so hopefully you don't need to apply the workaround?
[02:38] <babbageclunk> veebers: I think so - just checking...
[02:38] <blahdeblah> babbageclunk: Once 2.2.1 comes out?
[02:38] <babbageclunk> veebers: yup
[02:38] <babbageclunk> blahdeblah: yes
[02:39] <blahdeblah> We're hoping that 2.2.x will resolve a number of our load issues, but since it was never confirmed that the root cause in 1669046 is 1676279, I wonder whether the former needs more diagnosis.
[02:42] <veebers> babbageclunk: cool, once it gets a revision build we'll monitor it for release
[02:49] <babbageclunk> Are we going to do a mass-merge from 2.2 to develop at some point, or should I be forward-porting things myself?
[03:14]  * babbageclunk goes for a run for a bit
[03:27] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: no, we will merge 2.2 into develop. i was waiting for all the things to land
[04:33] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: yeah, I thought we'd probably be doing that again
[05:06] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: yeah, all done :-)
[05:07] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: nice one!
[05:32] <babbageclunk> Booking my shuttle for the sprint - when are people mostly leaving the place? Don't want to be hanging out all by myself in Mooloolaba when everyone's already left! My flight's not until 7.
[05:32] <babbageclunk> (on the Saturday)
[05:33] <veebers> babbageclunk: I've only booked my shuttle from airport -> venue. Was going to book the return during the week
[05:34] <babbageclunk> veebers: but you're missing out on a $6 saving!
[05:35] <veebers> babbageclunk: hah true. But something better might pop up. In the past I've been able to hitch rides with people heading to the airport etc. Although I geuess this time around it's a bit more of a trip
[05:36] <babbageclunk> veebers: Actually, I like your plan, I'm going to do the same.
[05:36] <babbageclunk> And then say it was my idea all along.
[05:40] <veebers> babbageclunk: well, if we get stranded and miss our flights you can take all the credit you want ^_^
[05:40] <babbageclunk> Yay!
[05:41] <veebers> babbageclunk: any idea how many hours (or days) your supposed to be at BNE before your flight?
[05:41] <babbageclunk> Oh no - that's a good point, I'd forgotten to factor that into my return booking anyway.
[05:42] <veebers> hmm
[05:43]  * veebers needs to make sure he has enough clean cloths to pack
[05:43] <veebers> Will have to break the shorts out of storage, that is if it's not frozen shut
[05:48] <blahdeblah> You folks aren't coming in via MCY?
[05:48] <blahdeblah> Much nicer :-)
[05:49] <veebers> blahdeblah: I'm just glad there is a direct flight from Dunners and I don't need to be waiting around for hours between flights :-)
[05:49] <blahdeblah> Yeah - pretty unlikely to get MCY direct to there, I guess.
[05:49] <blahdeblah> veebers: BTW, standard in .au is 2 hrs for intl. flights; they might be a bit more lenient with NZ flights - not sure.
[05:50] <blahdeblah> (that was re: being there before your flight)
[05:50] <veebers> blahdeblah: ack thanks. That's about what I expected
[05:50] <veebers> (considering the flights only 4 hours :-P)
[06:02] <axw> wallyworld: whenever you're free, https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7550 and https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7551
[06:02] <wallyworld> ok
[06:15] <axw> wallyworld: so how do you did the forward port? branch off develop, merge 2.2, revert whatever things you don't want like version bump?
[06:16] <wallyworld> axw: yeah. i only normally revert the version number in 3 places
[06:19] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: i think we can close pr 7542
[06:19] <wallyworld> as it is obsolete with the new, smaller fix
[08:42] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: Yup yup


[00:12] <swift110> hey all
[00:37] <swift110> hey Joah
[15:12] <dbrass> Can we ask support questions regarding a Ubuntu mate install on this channel?
[15:12] <dbrass> Or is it channel strictly for general discussion?


[09:04] <heartones> hi any one has managed to connect juju to a machine using ssh/juju_id_rsa and id_rsa.pub keys I need to know if you have to put this public key in the maas preference to connect to a machine by juju bootstraping to it