[19:09] <pfifo> CountryfiedLinux, well seeing as how you didnt really 'create a distro' why dont you just provide instructions on how to install mate and stuff on ubuntu?
[19:09] <AndreeeCZ> marawan2, did you check your sound settings?
[19:09] <marawan2> tozen, mic says 0
[19:09] <marawan2> AndreeeCZ: how do i do
[19:09] <marawan2> AndreeeCZ: i am new to linux
[19:09] <tozen> marawan2: use arrows buttons to manage it
[19:09] <pfifo> CountryfiedLinux, or provide a PPA for your stuff, that will earn you points in my book
[19:10] <AndreeeCZ> marawan2, well some menu->settings->sound (or something similar)
[19:10] <kostkon> marawan2, press on the speaker icon, the select sound settings
[19:10] <kostkon> then*
[19:10] <marawan2> kostkon, where is that speaker icon
[19:10] <CountryfiedLinux> pfifo, Why not just roll it out as a distro? Its no different really. BTW I helped with fixing bad instructions in the Mate wiki repos for Ubuntu, so there's the points there.
[19:10] <HungryHungryPoke> CountryfiedLinux,  hmm... if you want to role your own distro, there should probably be a better channel. maybe ##linux , #distro, #debian (to base it on debian and such), etc. Not sure where exactly
[19:10] <kostkon> marawan2, in your tray, up right
[19:10] <marawan2> and AndreeeCZ: no there is no menu -> setting -> sound
[19:11] <gilles> So here it goes: I'm currently running XBMCBuntu on an old laptop. I was tinkering with XBMC but I wanted to get a Joystick to work so for that I had to log out and login to Ubuntu. So that's exactly what I did, entered everything correctly and clicked 'Login'. However, nothing show up, I'm only seeing a 'blue screen' (not a windows one lol). So I CTRL-ALT-F1'ed and now I'm in some kind of terminal.
[19:11] <gilles> Now my question to you guys is how do I relogin to XBMC via the terminal?
[19:11] <CountryfiedLinux> HungryHungryPoke, I dunno where either, but there's a lot of people here and its hard getting help in whats most likely "dead channels".
[19:12] <HungryHungryPoke> CountryfiedLinux, stay connected after you post your questoin. Those "dead" channels are visited every once in a while (say, every few hours) by people that can often help. But they're busy doing other things.
[19:12] <cloudgeek> hey all
[19:12] <cloudgeek> back to my irc after 6 months
[19:12] <pfifo> CountryfiedLinux, making your own distro involes alot more than just making a livecd.
[19:12] <kostkon> cloudgeek, hey you
[19:12] <HungryHungryPoke> CountryfiedLinux, I've had questions answered after leaving it open for half a day, a day, and so forth.
[19:12] <Hiig|2> hey guys, just popping in with a quick question. i royally screwed over my virtual machine, and have to reinstall it, but i want to take this opportunity to change the OS. whats the absolute smallest RAM consuming distro available? as long as it has apt-get, im game
[19:12] <kostkon> cloudgeek, wb
[19:12] <Spooney> Hi,,
[19:13] <CountryfiedLinux> pfifo, Not really. I could just roll out another live iso every 6 months. Just wanna learn how.
[19:13] <CountryfiedLinux> Maybe clonezilla?
[19:13] <Spooney> Can someone tiny bit help meh ?
[19:13] <kostkon> Spooney, just ask the question
[19:13] <cloudgeek> I am appyling for fall admission in master in computer science ,any irc or guidance ,some sort university for geeks
[19:13] <cloudgeek> kostkon: heyyyy
[19:13] <marawan2> kostkon: please specify, what is the tray?
[19:13] <cloudgeek> Spooney: heyyy
[19:13] <marawan2> kostkon: i use a laptopo
[19:13] <Spooney> I need to get skype >.> no i am not noob that's not able to but its just impossible to install over dependecies
[19:13] <marawan2> laptop*
[19:14] <pfifo> CountryfiedLinux, well, if thats really what you want todo, learning to make livecd's is step #1 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomizationFromScratch
[19:14] <Spooney> i tried some magic stuff heh but i didnt succesed ,,, :/
[19:14] <kostkon> marawan2, see the image http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/yeti-1.png
[19:15] <wilee-nilee> !details | Spooney
[19:15] <Spooney> ah sure sorry 13.04 64bit
 that is what i am trying to find, is there any terminal command that would take me to the mic settings
[19:15] <gilles> When I'm in CTRL-ALT-F1, what's the exact command to login with another username and session?
[19:15] <Spooney> well i have it so meesed up now , but when i tried to install it i got missing libsound2 what was impossible to install because missing candidates
[19:15] <gilles> I can't CTRL-ALT-F7 'cause I'm getting a black screen.
[19:16] <HungryHungryPoke> gilles, just enter your username, then enter your password
[19:16] <cloudgeek> kostkon: any irc for research students ??
[19:16] <MonkeyDust> gilles  did you create a different user ?
[19:16] <pfifo> gilles, try F8 yet?
[19:16] <kostkon> cloudgeek, no idea :/
[19:16] <wilee-nilee> Spooney, For best help put all the details in a single post or it will be lost.
[19:16] <Spooney> yup i see,,,
[19:16] <wilee-nilee> ;)
[19:16] <tozen> marawan2: what about alsamixer? where the problem to setup volume in there?
[19:16] <MonkeyDust> !alis | cloudgeek
[19:16] <HungryHungryPoke> gilles, also, with ctrl+alt+f7, sometimes it takes a minute to load. I don't know why.
[19:16] <marawan2> kostkon: again i am using lubuntu
[19:16] <kostkon> marawan2, oh right
[19:17] <marawan2> tozen: i don't find anything in that command
[19:17] <kostkon> marawan2, then, yeah, your only option is alsamixer
[19:17] <marawan2> it just shows me some stats
[19:17] <Spooney> wilee-nilee, 13.04 64bit, Wanna to install skype > missing libasound2, impossible to install because missing candidates :/
[19:17] <tozen> marawan2:  did u read what i said u carefully?
[19:17] <wilee-nilee> !skype
[19:18] <wilee-nilee> !libasound2
[19:18] <gilles> HungryHungryPoke, MonkeyDust, pfifo: I logged into Ubuntu but it's giving me nothing but a blue screen, so I went to ctrl alt f1 to try and get back to the xbmcbuntu session
[19:18] <wilee-nilee> !info libasound2,
[19:18] <renebarbosa> !filezilla
[19:18] <marawan2> tozen: sorry man but all i see is screen with stats that i don't understand
[19:18] <wilee-nilee> Spooney, you see the bots messages?
[19:18] <Orfeous> hi everyone! is it possible to move the physical harddrive from computer 1 (x86) to computer 2 (x64). harddrive is current running latest ubuntu 13.04 x86
[19:19] <Spooney> more or less wilee-nilee, however manual not workin ,,,
[19:19] <tozen> marawan2: u can use arrow buttons to setup levels and move right and left trough the table, pal
[19:19] <reisio> Orfeous: yup
[19:19] <gilles> pfifo CTRL-ALT-F8 is just giving me a black screen...
[19:19] <reisio> Orfeous: might have to alter your kernel/modules/drivers
[19:19] <pfifo> gilles, I dont think thats supported here, doesnt the xbmc stuff have its own channel
[19:19] <marawan2> tozen: ! how didn't i think of that
[19:20] <Orfeous> reisio: i want it to run with x64 kernel etc..
[19:20] <gilles> pfifo I don't know, but it's based on ubuntu, so the command should be exactly the same, I'd think.
[19:20] <Spooney> wilee-nilee because missing dependecies its impossible to, and i have special conact there so i need to log in >.<
[19:21] <Orfeous> reisio: ah, just found some guides with "upgrading..."
[19:21] <val___> anyone know how to fix the problem with apt-get? stuck at 0% [Connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com (2001:67c:1562::13)]
[19:21] <tozen> marawan2: did u get it?
[19:21] <reisio> Orfeous: you'd have to reinstall for that
[19:21] <pfifo> gilles, I have no idea what window manager it uses, and I know 3 different commands for starting a desktop manager
[19:21] <val___> ive been looking everywhere, and i dont think its a mirror issue,
[19:21] <wilee-nilee> Spooney, seems to be libasound2-dev is needed not sure really.
[19:21] <marawan2> tozen: ok, now that the mic bar went all the way up
[19:21] <val___> because i am able to run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade without any problems
[19:21] <marawan2> tozen: how do i test it
[19:21] <Hiig|2> no suggestions for me? least ram consuming distro that uses apt-get?
[19:21] <wilee-nilee> Spooney, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/amd64/libasound2-dev
[19:22] <tozen> marawan2: whistl up
[19:22] <MonkeyDust> Hiig|2  xubuntu and lubuntu are light
[19:22] <pfifo> Hiig|2, headless ubuntu-server
[19:22] <Hiig|2> currently running ubuntu server on my virtual machine, and its using 500 megs of ram straight after the install
[19:22] <marawan2> tozen: ?
[19:22] <wilee-nilee> Spooney, I thought the skype install from there site gets all the dependencies for you you would just run the latest.
[19:23] <Spooney> wille-nilee Impossible to find package~ no its not it stuck at this
[19:23] <Hiig|2> i just need something completely stripped down, and able to use apt-get
[19:23] <Spooney> it never did this before wilee-nilee
[19:23] <entreri> hi
[19:23] <cloudgeek> MonkeyDust: thanks
[19:23] <Spooney> wilee-nilee also it's completly fresh install ~
[19:23] <pfifo> Hiig|2, are you sure you dont have X running?
[19:23] <Hiig|2> pfifo: ill double check
[19:24] <Hiig|2> yep. sure
[19:24] <wilee-nilee> Spooney, Try this install, this is out of my area if exacting info, however skype is not a difficult thing in general.
[19:24] <pfifo> Hiig|2, learn to debootstrap
[19:24] <nl287> Hiig|2: my ubuntu server using only 350 mb ram, mysql,nginx,ftp
[19:24] <wilee-nilee> Spooney, http://www.skype.com/en/download-skype/skype-for-linux/downloading/?type=ubuntu64
[19:24] <entreri> i need change pictute size, is there a program for this
[19:24] <Hiig|2> pfifo: i are linux retard
[19:24] <Guest10097> when i try to install pygame i get this error  http://paste.ubuntu.com/5997147/
[19:25] <entreri> but picture dont damage
[19:25] <MonkeyDust> entreri  gimp is good
[19:25] <entreri> thanks
[19:25] <pfifo> Guest10097, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:26] <Spooney> wilee-nilee http://13q.imghost.us/Xg/Screenshot%20from%202013-08-17%2021:25:32.png
[19:26] <Hiig|2> nl287: okay thats confusing me. how are you using that little, when im literally staring at top directly after installation?
[19:26] <wilee-nilee> Spooney, I'm in windows and norton is blocking that site as malicious
[19:26] <cyber5am> hi guys any ideas i made usb multiboot using yumi and some of isos were unlisted and dont show up in the bootmenu
[19:27] <Hiig|2> top shows i already have 556808 kib used
[19:27] <pfifo> Hiig|2, ohh, well cant help you there, but you can use the debootstrap program to build little mini-ubuntu's with nothing installed but like 42 core packages (including apt-get)
[19:27] <Spooney> wilee-nilee its just another site its direct to picture ~ i promise
[19:27] <wilee-nilee> Spooney, Picture means nothing.
[19:27] <Spooney> wilee-nille i know theoreticaly it sounds easy , but its not -.-
[19:27] <Hiig|2> pfifo: okay, where do i find this?
[19:28] <Spooney> wilee-nilee wanna get ssh?
[19:28] <entreri> everyone hear elementary os
[19:28] <pfifo> Hiig|2, its in the repos, `sudo apt-get install debootstrap` google and the man page can offer suggestions on how to get the most out of it
[19:28] <wilee-nilee> Spooney, at least without an explanation, no ssh, there are channel norms here, it means explain your problem.
[19:28] <tozen> marawan2: tipe in console gnome-control-center then push on Sound and Input then make some nois and see on the bar
[19:29] <marlinc> Is there any application for Ubuntu server than can organize music and video's? So automatically place music in a specific directory and video in another. And maybe can even tag music
[19:29] <Spooney> wilee-nilee how more may i explain ?
[19:29] <nl287> Hiig|2: i do not do anything. Just ubuntu 12.04 server with some services
[19:29] <Hiig|2> pfifo: oh so i used debootstrap on an already installed OS?
[19:29] <wilee-nilee> Spooney, Honestly I'm not your best help here, so the channel will be better in general. ;)
[19:29] <marawan2> i am sending a screen shot tozen
[19:29] <cyber5am> would the mini ubuntus be good for a tablet or phone
[19:29] <marawan2> http://imgur.com/IPISj60
[19:30] <marawan2> Tozen: http://imgur.com/IPISj60
[19:30] <Spooney> Anoyone more knows how install wors-ever skype ?
[19:30] <pfifo> Hiig|2, yeah, like you can make a ubuntu-core on a directory somewhere and have qemu or what not run it
[19:30] <marawan2> tozen: this is how my alsamixer looks like
[19:30] <wilee-nilee> cyber5am, The mini is just a net install.
[19:30] <Hiig|2> okay, installed it. going to look through the wiki now
[19:30] <tozen> marawan2: tipe in console gnome-control-center then push on Sound go to Input then make some noise and see on the bar
[19:31] <wilee-nilee> !touch | cyber5am for phone
[19:31] <cyber5am> hmm sound like worth a look got an old tablet i wanna mess with
[19:31] <marawan2> tozen: tipe? what is the console gnome-control-center
[19:31] <Ghost7> Yo
[19:31] <wilee-nilee> cyber5am, 12.04 it is called the mini, after that it is called the alternative, for a mini net install.
[19:31] <entreri> brightness is lower i open the laptop  on Fn  how i fixed this?
[19:31] <Ghost7> Anyone can jelp me?
[19:32] <Ghost7> help*
[19:32] <tozen> marawan2: console is console Ctrl+Alt+T
[19:32] <BluesKaj> !ask | Ghost7
[19:32] <wilee-nilee> Ghost7, Not without a a question on your issues
[19:32] <Ghost7> ok mates calm down
[19:33] <BluesKaj> guess he doesn't help after all :)
[19:33] <BluesKaj> need
[19:33] <xkernel> why this archive is not working http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports?
[19:34] <marawan2>  tozen: it is not installed, should i install it
[19:35] <wilee-nilee> xkernel, Opens here how are you using it?
[19:35] <tozen> marawan2: what isn't installed?
[19:35] <xkernel> wilee-nilee, it open in the browser but i'm trying to use it with rootstock which is not working
[19:36] <wilee-nilee> xkernel, Not sure, however details are what is needed for good help.
[19:36] <marawan2> the gnome control center
[19:36] <marawan2> it is not installed
[19:36] <cyber5am> ok thanks wilee
[19:37] <tozen> marawan2: well click on speaker icon on your tray then choose Sound Settings option
[19:37] <Spooney> wilee-nilee what should i doooo >D
[19:37] <jcorgan> anyone here familiar with the livecd process or is there a better channelf or that?
[19:37] <wilee-nilee> cyber5am, No problem, with the switching of names on the mini and alternative it can be confusing.
[19:37] <xkernel> wilee-nilee, "Invalid Release file, no entry for main/binary-armel/Packages"
[19:37] <MonkeyDust> jcorgan  just ask your question
[19:38] <wilee-nilee> xkernel, I'm not your best help here. ;)
[19:38] <jcorgan> when the livecd discovers partitions on a local hard drive, it mounts them noexec, i am remastering a livecd but want to change that behavior
[19:38] <marawan2> have you checked http://imgur.com/IPISj60, tozen?
[19:39] <jcorgan> i'm familiar with the mastering process, so only need to find out  about changing the mounting options
[19:39] <MonkeyDust> jcorgan  i guess you that in /etc/fstab
[19:39] <MonkeyDust> you do*
[19:41] <jcorgan> etc/fstab is blank on the livecd master
[19:41] <jcorgan> i don't know what the automounter is on the livecd but i'm sure the config for that is what i need to change
[19:42] <marawan2> tozen
[19:43] <Spooney> omgg almost nothing is possible to instal heh , tried to virtualbox but loool nope dependecies again
[19:44] <marawan2> !mic
[19:45] <cyber5am> as youve probly guessed im new to linux but im loving it tryed it out years ago but didnt have the patients to stick with it i wish i had i prefer ubuntu but am trying out others im on pinguy at moment but im thinking debian could be good longterm choice for the stability but i do like to customize a bit and it dosen't seem  to be as easy to do as some of the others
[19:47] <wilee-nilee> cyber5am, Hardly no support for pinguy, not here as well, debian has pretty good support, however they may expect some basic skills, in general.
[19:48] <Jeeves_Moss> why am I getting a "do-release-upgrade" in the MOTD, yet when I run the command I'm told there is no release?
[19:48] <Darkness_of_Time> hello everybody!
[19:49] <compdoc> Jeeves_Moss, maybe motd isnt updated
[19:50] <Darkness_of_Time> a few hours ago I removed my sound card X-Fi (PCI) which was working perfectly on linux and I installed an EMU 0404 (PCI)
[19:50] <Darkness_of_Time> the problem is that now... I have no sound and I don't know how to install the drivers for the new sound card on my system
[19:50] <Darkness_of_Time> could you help me?
[19:50] <BluesKaj>  Jeeves_Moss , do you mean upgrade notification from the software center ?
[19:51] <BluesKaj> Darkness_of_Time, did you set the new pci card as default in the bios?
[19:51] <cyber5am> can you recomend any good channels for noobs im interested in improving my commandline skills
[19:52] <BluesKaj> !cli | cyber5am
[19:52] <cyber5am> thanks
[19:53] <Darkness_of_Time> BluesKaj, this is the only sound card installed now. the old one was removed and the on board is already dissabled. and I don't think that I can set this EMU as the default sound card in the BIOS... I think that there is no such an option
[19:54] <maheanuu> I have a printer problem, Ubuntu shows me the printer but when I try to print, it gives me pending and that is all,  I have HPlips installed but still no print
[19:55] <BluesKaj> Darkness_of_Time, usually one can find the soundcards in the bios peripherals option
[19:56] <Darkness_of_Time> BluesKaj, ok I'll check it when I boot my system again.
[19:56] <Darkness_of_Time> thanks
[19:57] <BluesKaj> Darkness_of_Time, pastebin the output of cat /proc/asound/modules
[19:59] <sauraedron> Ampelbein : resiso: here's what i got after 15-20 mins working http://pastebin.com/g0tRcDU3
[19:59] <sauraedron> Ampelbein : resiso: Thank you very much :) good night
[20:00] <maheanuu> I am running Ubuntu 12.04.2 on a new Toshiba S875-S7356  and from what I am seeing, it isn't liking Ubuntu very well at all
[20:01] <maheanuu> I removed Wintoze Hate from it as soon as I received it.....  I want to keep using Ubuntu, but finding the setup a little difficult in certain areas
[20:01] <sauraedron> when i decrease the brightnes on my laptop (DELL N5010 15R) it hangs Ubuntu 12.04 :| any possible solutions?? Currently i decrease brightness using bash script
[20:02] <Darkness_of_Time> BluesKaj,  1 snd_hda_intel
[20:02] <wilee-nilee> maheanuu, maligning windows is not acceptable here.
[20:02] <pfifo> maheanuu, I have to run hp-setup to actually get hplip running
[20:02] <Darkness_of_Time> I think that this the audio output of my graphics card
[20:02] <maheanuu> Sorry, I didn't know, I apologise
[20:03] <maheanuu> I did that already and still the same
[20:03] <BluesKaj> ok Darkness_of_Time , lspci | grep -i audio
[20:03] <maheanuu> pfifo, the above is for you
[20:03] <pfifo> maheanuu, thats all I really got
[20:03] <BluesKaj> Darkness_of_Time, the hda-intel is most likely your motherboard soundchip
[20:04] <sauraedron> any one ??
[20:04] <maheanuu> That is the reason I am here, I called Toshiba and they told me that this laptop was designed with Windows in mind....   Makes me wonder???
[20:04] <Darkness_of_Time> BluesKaj, this one is disabled. this one is the HDMI output of my graphics card.
[20:05] <Darkness_of_Time> or at least, this is what my audio mixer says...
[20:05] <sasha__> O hai
[20:05] <Darkness_of_Time> is there any command that scans the new hardware?
[20:05] <pfifo> maheanuu, corprate world doesnt support linux stuff at all
[20:05] <hogilber> query melissaherrera
[20:05] <sasha__> I'm setting up Ubuntu on my mac, and I've allocated 15gb of disk in total. How much should I use of that for swap? I have 4gb of ram.
[20:06] <pfifo> sasha__, none of it?
[20:07] <sasha__> really? the guide on wiki says that I should make one though...
[20:07] <pfifo> but it doesnt say how big?
[20:07] <maheanuu_> Looks like the Post Office here is having a hiccup or three....  I am dropping off line and it is a long weekend so there will be no repair service till Monday
[20:08] <BluesKaj> darken, yes it it may be , but the motherboard soundchip sends it's audio thru the HDMI out
[20:08] <sasha__> nop
[20:09] <sasha__> but I read that swap partitions aren't really neccesary with more recent releases, is this true?
[20:09] <BluesKaj> Darkness_of_Time, read my post above ^
[20:09] <Jeeves_Moss> sasha__, depends on how much RAM you have
[20:09] <wilee-nilee> sasha__, If you hibernate yes.
[20:09] <pfifo> sasha__, in order to support suspend/resume you need atleast enough swap to hold all your physical memory, most people recommend double your ram, i recommend none what so ever, I like my computers to reboot when they run out of memory
[20:09] <Darkness_of_Time> BluesKaj, so... the only way is to reboot and make these changes in the BIOS
[20:10] <Darkness_of_Time> I'll try it
[20:10] <Darkness_of_Time> thanks
[20:10] <sasha__> well, tbh, I don't know what I want. this is the first time I'm running ubuntu on my mac
[20:10] <wilee-nilee> suspend does not need a swap
[20:10] <sasha__> generally speaking, there isn't a 'hibernation' mode on mac
[20:11] <sasha__> it just figures out when it needs to go into deep sleep
[20:11] <pfifo> sasha__, linux doesnt do that
[20:11] <sasha__> yeah, I know
[20:12] <sasha__> so that's why I don't know if I'll need to hibernate :)
[20:12] <maheanuu_> I am planning on taking the laptop with me to PPT tomorrow as I am going in for Cataract surgery, and possibly I will run into one of the Lug people there, here there is no one other than I using Linux on a PC
[20:13] <maheanuu_> Trying to read this with any rapidity, is a pain in the neither regions at present....
[20:13] <pfifo> sasha__, try 8gb if yr system partition biggerou want a swap, but youll likely never use it, it could be hard to add a swap partition later on, but easy to remove it and make you
[20:14] <sasha____> okies
[20:14] <pfifo> sasha__, try 8gb if you want a swap, but youll likely never use it, it could be hard to add a swap partition later on, but easy to remove it and make your system partition bigger*
[20:14] <sasha____> yup, I saw, thanks :D
[20:15] <BluesKaj> sasha____, you can alwayscreate a swapfile if needed , buit if your RAM is greater thasn 4-6G , then you probly won't need swap of any kind
[20:15] <sasha____> i always max out my ram with 100+ tabs
[20:15] <pfifo> ^ no swap :D
[20:17] <pfifo> sasha___, I dont think the number of tabs you have open is going to have much impact on your memory in linux
[20:18] <sasha____> ok
[20:18] <sasha____> and how much impact does standby instead of hibernation have on battery life?
[20:19] <kostkon> sasha____, mine on standby is 1% for every hour
[20:19] <sasha____> ah that should be find
[20:19] <sasha____> macbook?
[20:19] <kostkon> sasha____, netbook
[20:19] <pfifo> i dont think hibernation uses any battery at all
[20:20] <sasha____> well i never sleep my computer for more than a couple of hours at most
[20:20] <sasha____> so that should be fine
[20:20] <kostkon> pfifo, it's disabled by default in ubuntu though
[20:20] <MonkeyDust> sasha____  hibernation saves the session to disk, suspend saves to ram
[20:20] <pfifo> kostkon, my system has a hibernate option when i choose to shutdown/
[20:21] <MonkeyDust> sasha____  suspend uses battery, hibernation doesnt
[20:21] <pfifo> IM GOING TO PRESS IT!
[20:21] <sasha____> yes, yes, ok
[20:21] <kostkon> pfifo, hmm that would be strange. is it vanilla ubuntu?
[20:21] <sasha____> i shall not be needing it then
[20:21] <pfifo> lol it said 'not authorized'
[20:21] <kostkon> sasha____, now about your 100+ tabs. consider using this http://getpocket.com/
[20:21] <kostkon> pfifo, interesting error msg
[20:22] <pfifo> kostkon, im using lubuntu atm
[20:22] <kostkon> pfifo, ah. that could explain why the option is available, but not working
[20:25] <pfifo> I allocated 4GB of swap for a non-functional hibernte button then?
[20:26] <reisio> not familiar with LXDE's power manager
[20:27] <kostkon> pfifo, check here http://www.howtogeek.com/113923/how-to-re-enable-hibernate-in-ubuntu-12.04/ it talks about creating a policykit file.
[20:29] <Pinkamen1_D> what would be the best filesystem for long term storage  - low amount of writes, mostly large sequential reads.
[20:30] <reisio> not ext2, not reiser
[20:30] <kostkon> Pinkamen1_D, xfs?
[20:31] <Pinkamen1_D> xfs..ill look into it
[20:31] <reisio> storing files is what most FSes are all about...
[20:33] <Bjond> reisio: https://github.com/philipl/pifs
[20:34] <reisio> heheh
[20:35] <reisio> that might be better than http://web.archive.org/web/20050514074112/http://lzip.sourceforge.net/
[20:36] <pfifo> kostkon, intersting, but this is my moms computer and I dont want her to have that option anyway
[20:36] <BluesKaj> or applepifs
[20:37] <goguda55> Okay guys... I've got a really strange problem. JACK audio server refuses to stop running. Anyone know how to force it to stop?
[20:37] <kostkon> pfifo, yeap, i agree.
[20:37] <hadifarnoud> I do a $ssh -D 8080 remote-host-ip on my mac to use my server as a proxy in order to bypass internet censorship in Iran. If i enter that command on my server itself, can I use it from any device? I guess I have to open the port with iptables too?
[20:38] <pfifo> hadifarnoud, nope
[20:38] <BluesKaj> goguda55, system monitor or ctrl+escape then kill the process
[20:39] <pfifo> hadifarnoud, you need a VPN to your server, and hook all your devices to the VPN
[20:40] <hadifarnoud> sorry I was disconnected pfifo. how can I do this then?
[20:40] <pfifo> hadifarnoud, you need a VPN
[20:41] <BluesKaj> hadifarnoud, checkout http://www.vpngate.net/en/
[20:42] <hadifarnoud> BluesKaj, pfifo: they blocked VPN all together. only ssh tunnel works. Squid proxy works but not on every site. they sniff packets or something and block it
[20:42] <hadifarnoud> I tried both L2TP and PPTP. followed a few tutorials on a fresh server each time. didn't work.
[20:43] <BluesKaj> hadifarnoud, they probly block openvpn , but there are other methods like l2tp/ipsec that work well
[20:43] <pfifo> hadifarnoud, you might be able to setup you mac as a NAT server, and route packets through your socks
[20:43] <gordonjcp> hadifarnoud: pptp isn't very secure
[20:44] <gordonjcp> hadifarnoud: you could try running it over an odd port
[20:44] <hadifarnoud> BluesKaj: they either managed to block l2tp or I'm following wrong tutorials. I tried a few now.
[20:45] <BluesKaj> hadifarnoud, including vpngate ?
[20:45] <hadifarnoud> pfifo: I was hoping if I could do that with my server
[20:45] <hadifarnoud> BluesKaj: didn't try that yet
[20:45] <pfifo> hadifarnoud, are you sure you using l2tp over ipsec?
[20:46] <hadifarnoud> pfifo: 100% sure
[20:46] <pfifo> hadifarnoud, you should be able to do what I said, not sure how to setup the masquerading to use socks though
[20:47] <superbmat> is it possible to have a linux distro such as a server distro without a windows manager display a remote desktop?
[20:47] <hadifarnoud> can someone try my vpn and see if it works? not sure my setup is wrong or I'm being blocked
[20:48] <pfifo> superbmat, youll need X on the server if you want to use remote desktop with it
[20:48] <LIP> superbmat: it would have to have a windows manager on it in order to serve that as a remote desktop, but it doesn't need to run an X instance on a local display
[20:49] <BluesKaj> hadifarnoud, try this app l2tp-ipsec-vpn , it's in the repos
[20:49] <hadifarnoud> BluesKaj: is it a client for L2TP?
[20:50] <BluesKaj> yes
[20:52] <superbmat> LIP do you mean to say that I could boot without X running but remotely connectand utilitze the installed X system? What if I wanted to run without X and then remote desktop on the same machine (localhost)
[20:55] <pfifo> superbmat, you mean use remote-desktop from the command line? Thats impossible
[20:55] <LIP> superbmat: when you utilize the installed X system, you would have to run it. Now it wouldn't show up on a display locally, but it still would be running
[20:58] <superbmat> thats what I was looking for pfifo thank you. and LIP thank you for your response, this is for instances of remote accessing things such as a headless server but maintaining a gui correct?
[20:58] <waterlite> hello all
[20:59] <pfifo> superbmat, well I shouldnt say its impossible... there might be some sort of curses based remote-desktop viewer, or maybe a non graphical one for the visual impaired that speaks everything to you
[21:00] <isasha> o hai
[21:00] <isasha> I just installed ubuntu on my macbook, and I'm having a bit of an issue...
[21:01] <gordonjcp> isasha: don't ask to ask
[21:01] <isasha> gordonjcp: I was coming to the point...
[21:01] <isasha> it says that I have to launch the rEFIt shell, which I cannot find
[21:01] <gordonjcp> isasha: don't use refit, use refind
[21:01] <isasha> is it at boot, in the OS? I can boot into mac os x, but not into ubuntu
[21:02] <gordonjcp> isasha: from OSX you download and run reFIND
[21:02] <isasha> ok
[21:02] <anonee> what are the default parameters that I should use when mounting an ext4 partition?
[21:02] <gordonjcp> isasha: that puts in a bootloader similar to GRUB that will let you load either OSX or Linux
[21:02] <gordonjcp> isasha: when you load Linux, it will chainload GRUB off your Linux partition
[21:02] <pfifo> anonee, you dont have to specify anything to get the default parameters, hence there called default
[21:03] <daftykins> anonee: do you mean within fstab or just the mount command?
[21:03] <gordonjcp> isasha: make sure you paypal the refind guy a donation, it's worth it
[21:03] <isasha> are you 'that guy' ^^ :P
[21:03] <gordonjcp> isasha: no
[21:03] <gordonjcp> isasha: just a very satisfied customer ;-)
[21:03] <isasha> :)
[21:03] <isasha> I guess I can make an exception in my no-paying-for-software-ever policy :)
[21:04] <gordonjcp> isasha: FWIW I am running 12.10 on a Macbook 3,1 dualbooting with OSX Lion
[21:04] <pfifo> freedom isnt fre
[21:04] <Bjond> so long as it's free software, you shouldn't feel bad paying
[21:04] <isasha> I'm using 4,2 gonna dual boot 13 and lion
[21:04] <gordonjcp> I should update from 12.10 but I'm lazy
[21:04] <isasha> does hw acceleration work with videos and stuff?
[21:04] <isasha> I read conflicting information online
[21:06] <dzoni> hello
[21:07] <dzoni> why evrytimes im trying to install ubuntu server i get message that GRUB isnt installed
[21:09] <anonee> daftykins fstab or Storage Device Manager, I got an error "encrypted signatures detected" when I tried to let some script or software write to the partition, when writing a file manually there is no problems though, could it be because I checked "Allow any user to mount the file system",  "Allow a user to mount and unmount the file system", and "The owner of the device can mount it"? I mean these options are not supposed to encrypt anything or am I wrong? the
[21:10] <anonee>  parameters added when I use these checkboxes are: users,user,owner
[21:11] <jellf> hi all
[21:12] <jellf> i have 2 PC
[21:12] <doomlord> bzr branch lp:ubuntu/raing/compiz << is this where to get the source for ubuntu/unity's versions of Scale and other compiz plugins
[21:12] <jellf> with Ubuntu 12.04
[21:12] <jellf> and each PC installed thunderbird
[21:12] <jellf> how i can sync both thunderbird
[21:12] <jellf> so they have same content of email
[21:12] <dzoni> why evrytimes im trying to install ubuntu server i get message that GRUB isnt installed
[21:12] <daftykins> anonee: so it wasn't ever an encrypted disk?
[21:13] <totuz> hello
[21:14] <daftykins> hi
[21:14] <totuz> I am trying to install Gnoppix
[21:15] <daftykins> totuz: ubuntu support only here, sorry
[21:16] <jellf> anyone can help me
[21:16] <totuz> ok
[21:16] <gordonjcp> !help | jellf
[21:16] <jellf> ubottu: ok sorry
[21:17] <hadifarnoud> how can I find what CPU I have? It's a VPS.
[21:17] <MrAlexandro> gordonjcp, if you still remember me, hi :)
[21:17] <gordonjcp> MrAlexandro: hi
[21:17] <gordonjcp> dzoni: are you getting the option to install GRUB?
[21:17] <gordonjcp> dzoni: during the install, make sure you install GRUB to the right disk!
[21:17] <daftykins> hadifarnoud: well you probably won't be shown the real one, have you cat'd /proc/cpuinfo ?
[21:17] <gordonjcp> MrAlexandro: vaguely, can't remember what you were having problems with...?
[21:18] <anonee> daftykins I created the volume using gparted, I didn't encrypt it or anything...
[21:18] <hadifarnoud> daftykins: That's good enough for me. I needed it for a package I want to install
[21:18] <MrAlexandro> gordonjcp me neither :D but i remember your nick, so you obviously helped me. think it could have been both bootlaoder and Apache … :)
[21:19] <daftykins> anonee: sure it's nothing in your script doing it? i take it you've tried making this script point elsewhere to confirm?
[21:20] <anonee> daftykins its not my script it's deluge, youtube-dl and so.... :(
[21:20] <gordonjcp> MrAlexandro: possibly, that rings a bell
[21:20] <daftykins> anonee: what does your fstab entry look like then?
[21:21] <PoolShark_> need some help getting a highpoint rocket 620 working in precise...
[21:21] <PoolShark_> 04:00.1 IDE interface: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88SE91A4 SATA 6Gb/s Controller (rev 11)
[21:22] <daftykins> PoolShark_: no driver so you're seeing no disks i take it?
[21:22] <PoolShark_> correct
[21:22] <PoolShark_> although highpoint says support is native in linux
[21:22] <PoolShark_> I imagine there is not not a module for it in the precise distro
[21:22] <PoolShark_> but it would be nice to confirm :)
[21:23] <Kyos> list
[21:24] <daftykins> PoolShark_: so your install is on a separate motherboard attached disk and is fully updated and upgraded?
[21:24] <PoolShark_> yep
[21:25] <daftykins> PoolShark_: has highpoint given a clue as to what module might provide it?
[21:25] <PoolShark_> nope!
[21:26] <PoolShark_> just says "Native Linux Support"
[21:26] <daftykins> PoolShark_: ok i got some info
[21:26] <daftykins> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RocketRaid
[21:26] <daftykins> PoolShark_: take a look at that, install dkms then there's a .tar.gz with driver .debs in
[21:27] <daftykins> PoolShark_: if you're comfortable with what that involves go for it, otherwise let me know and i can assist
[21:27] <PoolShark_> this isn't a RocketRaid
[21:27] <PoolShark_> it's a Rocket
[21:27] <daftykins> i see '620' though
[21:27] <daftykins> probably same thing
[21:27] <PoolShark_> the Rocket 620 and RocketRaid 620 are different products
[21:27] <daftykins> oh right
[21:27] <PoolShark_> Rocket 620 is just an HBA with no RAID functionality and a different SATA controller
[21:28] <PoolShark_> the RocketRaid620 is an 88SE9123 or 9128 depending on vintage with native fakeraid functionality
[21:28] <BlackDalek> Does anyone here know how to get qjoypad to work in ubuntu 13.04?
[21:28] <daftykins> PoolShark_: can you pastebin the relevant entry from lspci -vv ?
[21:29] <PoolShark_> http://pastebin.com/4KpzJERm
[21:30] <PoolShark_> ahh
[21:30] <PoolShark_> pata_marvell!
[21:31] <PoolShark_> so I modprobed it and it loaded
[21:31] <PoolShark_> but still no disks
[21:32] <daftykins> PoolShark_: worth a reboot perhaps
[21:32] <BlackDalek> I am trying to install qjoypad but make fails every time. http://paste.ubuntu.com/5997514/ what do I need to do to fix this?
[21:32] <daftykins> PoolShark_: fdisk -l is what you're checking for disks with?
[21:33] <PoolShark_> yeah fdisk -l and blkid both return nothing
[21:33] <BluesKaj> PoolShark_, what type of HDDs are you connecting to the adapter ,IDE / ATA ?
[21:34] <daftykins> i'm confused at the PATA talk when its' output refers to SATA 6Gb
[21:34] <PoolShark_> it's an external port multiplier chassis with 4 WD RE3 500GB drives in it
[21:34] <PoolShark_> all sata
[21:34] <daftykins> aww babies ;)
[21:36] <BluesKaj> PoolShark_, ok , so it's an expansion
[21:36] <PoolShark_> yeah
[21:36] <PoolShark_> Sans Digital TR4M+
[21:36] <PoolShark_> or something
[21:36] <SteveBell> hi all. is there a combatibility table for ubuntu 13 and netbooks? found several wikis but some for ubuntu 9 others very chaotic.
[21:37] <daftykins> SteveBell: it seems, given netbook owners coming in of late, #1 point is do you have enough storage XD
[21:37] <DigitalIceCream> hello
[21:37] <MonkeyDust> !hardware | SteveBell start here
[21:37] <captainfixerpc14> Could someone possibly assist in overcoming a type please in terminal ? I did this -sudo chown -R notroot:notroot /*    meant to do current folder not drive
[21:37] <BlackDalek> I need help with installing qjoypad in ubuntu.... anyone? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5997514/
[21:37] <captainfixerpc14> out put is bad - :-(  http://paste.ubuntu.com/5997353/
[21:37] <PoolShark_> whoops
[21:38] <captainfixerpc14> indeed
[21:38] <zafrix> buenas
[21:38] <DigitalIceCream> !list
[21:38] <PoolShark_> you tried just chowning it back?
[21:38] <PoolShark_> root should be able to do that
[21:38] <OerHeks> captainfixerpc14, backup your home and reinstall
[21:38] <PoolShark_> unless it just broke everything
[21:39] <PoolShark_> worse comes to worst boot a live CD and mount the partition and chown it back
[21:39] <captainfixerpc14> OerHeks, brand new install - almost done and ready to return - argggg
[21:39] <captainfixerpc14> thats what I was hoping to do
[21:39] <PoolShark_> ok gotta make dinner
[21:39] <PoolShark_> thanks for your help
[21:39] <ttom> did anyone ever try booting ubuntu live-cd from pxe and having the persistent storage?
[21:39] <cazandobits> hi
[21:40] <SteveBell> thanks MonkeyDust & daftykins but I read that this site will be discontinued on 15th sept. https://friendly.ubuntu.com/
[21:40] <cazandobits> anyone knows how I can add items to gnome-control-center
[21:41] <SteveBell> what alternatives are there? this seems to be a weak point in ubuntu spreading if this question remains unanswered
[21:42] <OerHeks> cazandobits, maybe this page is your answer http://askubuntu.com/questions/108060/is-it-possible-to-add-custom-items-to-system-settings-window
[21:42] <cazandobits> OerHeks, I already read it
[21:43] <MonkeyDust> SteveBell  what's a weakness? altrenatives to what?
[21:43] <SteveBell> weakness = if people don't know previous to install if ubuntu will run on their hardware. alternatives to "friendly ubuntu" page
[21:44] <BlackDalek> I need help with installing qjoypad in ubuntu.... anyone? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5997514/
[21:45] <MonkeyDust> SteveBell  the !hardware list is more exhaustive, i guess, i had never seen that "friendly" page before
[21:46] <SteveBell> MonkeyDust: well there's the certified program, where mark is trying to make some money and then there's tons of discontinued programms. so correct me if I'm wrong but I can't find a current and maintained answer to my question
[21:47] <MonkeyDust> SteveBell  as this is support only, try asking in #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:47] <SteveBell> hm isn't asking if ubuntu runs on certain hardware support related?
[21:47] <magesing> Hi everyone, I'm trying to get a ubuntu web server set up... Where does ubuntu hide httpd.conf?
[21:48] <MonkeyDust> SteveBell  yes, but we have the !hardware list for that
[21:48] <magesing> Do I write a fresh one and stick it in /etc?
[21:48] <linuxliam> is preload proven to help system performance?
[21:48] <MonkeyDust> linuxliam  it's nice
[21:48] <SteveBell> could you post a link? I can't seem to find that
[21:49] <MonkeyDust> linuxliam  in a terminal, type           apt-cache show preload    , see what it says
[21:49] <MonkeyDust> SteveBell  ubottu just showed you, scroll down on this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[21:50] <SteveBell> MonkeyDust: I'm on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/Machines/Netbooks but the netbook in question is not listed
[21:50] <MonkeyDust> SteveBell  any reason why you think it shouldnt work?
[21:52] <ttom> is there a way to have persistent storage when booting live-cd from network (pxe)
[21:53] <SteveBell> yes, I tried installing ubuntu 13.04 a couple of month ago and had very slow boot times (8mins) as the regular boot. fell back to ubuntu 12.10 with boot times around 1;30-2mins. maybe the problem has already addressed but since I can't find any info on hardware compatibility about this netbook I wonder if it would be a good idea to give 13 another try. I really like the changes in ubuntu from 12 to 13
[21:54] <MonkeyDust> SteveBell  a couple of months, you say. maybe it was before the official release? when it was unstable?
[21:54] <anonee> daftykins: it's working now, it's   /dev/sdc1   /mount/mydrive   ext4   defaults   0   0
[21:54] <anonee> however, there was user,users,owner instead of defaults when it wasn't working, the question is: how on earth could the options ("Allow any user to mount the file system",  "Allow a user to mount and unmount the file system", and "The owner of the device can mount it") prevent an application from writting on the file system since this application is run as my user account?!
[21:54] <SteveBell> no it was officially released at that point
[21:54] <daftykins> anonee: *shrug* :)
[21:55] <MonkeyDust> SteveBell  then try and see what it does now
[21:55] <SteveBell> MonkeyDust: so maybe I should wait for 2014 for 13.10 and LTS?
[21:55] <anonee> daftykins lol
[21:55] <Dr_willis> anonee,  even if the user mounts the ext2/3/4 - the permissions On the files on the fileysstem could prevent the user from accessing the files.
[21:55] <ttom> SteveBell: i would advice using lubuntu on slower HW
[21:56] <Dr_willis> anonee,  just because the user mounts the ext4  - dosent make everything on th eext4 owned by them
[21:56] <SteveBell> ttom ok will have a look
[21:57] <ttom> is there a way to increase the verbosity of casper through boot params?
[21:58] <anonee> Dr_willis, daftykins, you know what? I think the real question is: what are the defaults? I mean since when I replaced "users, user, owner" by "defaults" everything worked as it should, then what I may wanna know is "what are these defaults" and this I will have to read more about debian in order to know more about. agree?
[21:59] <Sta1ker> hello, what would be the best option to run a script on system startup? my scenario goes like this i have made an encrypted volume using trucrypt and opensc i would like to write a script the makes sure that the card is in the reader and everytime i take it out or in it would auto mount or dismount. what would be the best option, running a system v script or making a script when lightdm logs in? is there lightdmrc?
[21:59] <holstein> anonee: re: your question about latency.. i wouldnt bother with the lowlatency kernel, unless you are interested in lowering your latency
[22:02] <anonee> holstein thank you very much for remembering, and it's now set to 256 milliseconds and I'm happy, but you know what I should have used linux a few years ago before ASIO4ALL for windows was written, that was when I was struggling with midi :D
[22:02] <Dr_willis> anonee,  the defaults for a ext2/3/4 would be the permissiopns on the filesystem. I do NOT think any of those options would override the permissions/ownership of the files on the filesystem
[22:03] <Dr_willis> anonee,  you are using a USB flash drive with ext4 as a removeable drive going from one pc to another? or what exactly? i missed theoriginal  question
[22:04] <amireldor> is there a way to install let's say `kubuntu-desktop` and later on removing it completly, returning to the original state with only-Unity (or LXDE in my case) installed?
[22:05] <holstein> amireldor: yes
[22:05] <Dr_willis> amireldor,  its possible.. but not as easially done. since kuuntu-desktopis a meta package.
[22:05] <doomlord> anyone here know how to build compiz plugins..
[22:05] <Dr_willis> amireldor,  i just leave allthe *-desktops installed. ;)
[22:07] <amireldor> holstein, can you elaborate please?
[22:07] <amireldor> holstein, is there some way like `checkinstall` on make's?
[22:08] <Dr_willis> amireldor,    Installing kubuntu-desktop installs the meta package that pulls in dozens+ of other packages.. removeing them can be a pain. ;)  but possible
[22:08] <holstein> !purexfce
[22:08] <holstein> amireldor: ^^ for example..
[22:08] <amireldor> holstein, hmm ok, will read
[22:08] <anonee> Dr_willis ofcourse they're the permissions :) no it's not a USB it's a hard disk.. btw when I first formatted the volume everything seemed to fail until i used gparted, then  somebody helped me to chown that mount point dir from root to me, I left the drive for a couple of days just because I needed to add a dot in the end of the chown command,
[22:09] <amireldor> Dr_willis, yeah I know it's a metapackage, thanks for the help
[22:09] <holstein> amireldor: you can always manually keep track of what is being installed, and see that the pacakges are removed
[22:10] <Dr_willis> anonee,  dont forget you have to chown/chmod after its mounted. :)  seen a few people get confused about that and try to chown the mountpoint beofr the fs was mounted
[22:10] <amireldor> holstein, there's probably a way to get a list of packages in a meta-package
[22:11] <holstein> amireldor: i run 'sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop', then i copy what is being installed to a text file.. i could name that "thingsTOremoveLATER.txt"
[22:13] <Bjond> holstein: cat /var/log/apt/history.log
[22:14] <holstein> Bjond: you want me to direct that to amireldor ? i save the text file.. otherwise, go ahead and share that with the person asking the question.. thanks!
[22:15] <kevlar555> Hi folks!
[22:16] <vadi> Is it possible to pipe output to something that will highlight certain words for me? I don't want to use grep as that will eliminate other text.
[22:18] <Dr_willis> vadi,  check out 'colortail'
[22:18] <vadi> Appreciated.
[22:18] <Slart> vadi: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7393906/highlight-text-similar-to-grep-but-dont-filter-out-text   lots of good suggestions there
[22:18] <Dr_willis> vadi,  theres also several similer tools.. they rely on regular expressions to colorize stuff
[22:19] <vadi>  ty!
[22:20] <vadi> Weird why they suggest grep, it wipes all lines it doesn't match on.
[22:21] <Slart> Dr_willis: colortail looks nice.. never heard of it before
[22:21] <Slart> vadi: I think they either make grep match all lines (but just a small part) or make grep print out lines before and after the match
[22:23] <Dr_willis> i imagine with regular expressons you could make grep match all lines.. AND also do somthing to lines that match a differnt regular expression
[22:24] <Sta1ker> hello, what would be the best option to run a script on system startup? my scenario goes like this i have made an encrypted volume using trucrypt and opensc i would like to write a script the makes sure that the card is in the reader and everytime i take it out or in it would auto mount or dismount. what would be the best option, running a system v script or making a script when lightdm logs in? is there lightdmrc?
[22:24] <vadi> That's more work than I'd like to do... and colortail doesn't work with a command line argument, requires a .conf file beforehand. I do wish there was a tool that let me just colorize something in the output.
[22:24] <Dr_willis> !find ack
[22:25] <Dr_willis> Sta1ker,  /etc/rc.local runs near the end of the boot sequence, it runs even if lightdm dosent start up
[22:25] <linuxliam> how would i set time to 12 hour format from terminal ?
[22:26] <PoolShark_> back
[22:26] <PoolShark_> so anyway
[22:26] <Dr_willis> while read line ; do (echo $line | grep PATTERN) || echo $line  ; done < inputfile
[22:26] <Dr_willis>                seems easy vadi
[22:26] <Sta1ker> Dr_willis: is it part of init or sysv?
[22:26] <Dr_willis> linuxliam,  set it where?
[22:27] <Dr_willis> Sta1ker,  /etc/rc.local  is ran as part of the default init process.   which is UPSTART
[22:27] <Dr_willis> Sta1ker,  sysv on ubuntu is actually Upstart  in the background just sort of emulateing sysv
[22:27] <Dr_willis> !upstart
[22:28] <linuxliam> Dr_willis: the time format on a default ubuntu is 24 hours not 12 i was wondering if there is a way to set it to 12 hour using the terminal
[22:28] <Dr_willis> time default where exactly? You mean the panel clock somewhere? I dont have ubuntu sitting here in front of me
[22:28] <Sta1ker> Dr_willis: init is the main one, upstart is the second init process that supports multithreading m i right?
[22:29] <Dr_willis> Sta1ker,  upsart replaces sysv.   so however they all go together. :) i rarely need to mess with the details
[22:29] <Sta1ker> Dr_willis: thx
[22:29] <linuxliam> Dr_willis: my apologise yes i do mean the panel clock
[22:30] <dougl> anyone use digikam?
[22:30] <Dr_willis> linuxliam,  there may be some gconf or dconf settings to change it. those can be changed via the command line
[22:30] <breaker313> Hi .* After Upgrading to 13.04 - having trouble with Unity and solved it - I can't configure alternative wallpapers ... any ideas?
[22:30] <dougl> question for an experienced digikam user... when viewing the map with thumnail representing group of pics how do you view or select that group?
[22:30] <Dr_willis> breaker313,  test with a newly made user. see if they have the same issue.
[22:35] <breaker313> Dr_willis Yes, having the same issue, but curious: the loginscreen has the chosen wallpaper ...
[22:39] <Dr_willis> breaker313,  so where is the wallpaper not being used at?
[22:40] <Dr_willis> work time for me.. back in about an hr or 2..
[22:49] <MisterT> hello
[22:51] <daftykins> hi
[22:52] <MisterT> hi daftykins
[22:53] <daftykins> got a question or just arrived for the evening?
[22:53] <lucian> who wanna talk me create private chat with me
[22:55] <MisterT> Actually I was wondering if anyone had an expierce installing SpotWeb, I've been trying to install through the Software Center and it just hangs there after a while.
[22:57] <daftykins> MisterT: have you tried installing it via the command line to watch what it does?
[22:58] <MisterT> would that be something like sudo aptget -instal spoweb? sorry I'm kinda new to this
[23:05] <aquarat> is there any way of reseting a machine from the bash terminal, remotely via ssh if every command you issue returns "bus error" ?
[23:06] <reisio> I s'pose you'd have to try all ways to be sure :p
[23:06] <Random832> aquarat: any way of doing so would probably involve executing a command
[23:06] <FaxinBerlin> Bot Error: 2938 Sudo /attempt .run script-fail
[23:07] <Random832> aquarat: you could try /sbin/reboot -f, but no guarantees... everything returning "bus error" probably means some kind of hardware problem anyway
[23:07] <aquarat> yes
[23:07] <aquarat> I tried /sbin/shutdown -r now
[23:07] <aquarat> but that also returns bus error
[23:07] <FaxinBerlin> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/cautionary.png < #ubuntu problems.
[23:07] <aquarat> I'm hoping there's a built in reset command in bash?
[23:07] <Random832> reboot (and halt) -f bypass the normal shutdown process
[23:08]  * aquarat tries
[23:08] <aquarat> ... I also can't log back into the machine
[23:08] <Random832> but no guarantees - you may have to do a hard reboot... you may have to call your hosting company, if you don't have physical access
[23:08] <aquarat> via ssh
[23:08] <aquarat> it gives a key exchange error
[23:08] <Random832> of course you can't, i'm not sure why you expected to be able to
[23:08] <Random832> i thought you meant you already had a session open from before
[23:08] <aquarat> well yes
[23:08] <aquarat> I do
[23:08] <aquarat> I have a session open
[23:08] <aquarat> so I either fix it now
[23:08] <aquarat> or don't :P
[23:09] <FloodBot1> aquarat: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:09] <Random832> anyway, try reboot -f, or do a hard reset, those are your options
[23:09] <Random832> i'll bet it doesn't come back up afterward either way
[23:09] <aquarat> no such file or directory bus error
[23:10] <aquarat> I should have set up a watchdog :(
[23:10] <Random832> is this a server you physically control, or is it at a hosting company?
[23:10] <PocketDog> e-uac regularly crashes my display with 'segmentation fault'. Not even running as root. Annoying
[23:10] <aquarat> hosting company
[23:10] <Random832> call them - it's probably a hardware problem anyway, you can have them try a hard reboot, but i'll bet it doesn't come back up
[23:11] <aquarat> cool
[23:11] <aquarat> thanks for your help :)
[23:11] <Random832> anyway, if you can't run shutdown or reboot, you're out of options, unless you have something like an already-running interactive python or something
[23:12] <aquarat> mmm
[23:12] <Random832> there's nothing built in to bash
[23:12] <aquarat> unlike busybox
[23:13] <PoolShark_> hrm... still can't get this marvell sata controller working
[23:14] <aquarat> "echo" is built in
[23:14] <aquarat> :D
[23:14]  * aquarat tries echoing to proc
[23:14] <aquarat> or dev
[23:14] <brafa81> español?
[23:14] <aquarat> lolol, echo to /dev/null works :D
[23:14] <PoolShark_> un poco
[23:14] <brafa81> spanis ?
[23:14] <brafa81> jajajj ok
[23:15] <brafa81> donde puedo conectarme que sea en español ?
[23:15] <phaedra> !es | brafa81
[23:15] <aquarat> Random832, is there any way you can think of of resetting an Ubuntu machine by echoing something to a /dev or /proc, etc. file ?
[23:16] <aquarat> like echo "1" >> /dev/reboot
[23:16] <brafa81> ok gracias
[23:18] <FaxinBerlin> Hi I deleted my C:// I think, how do I fix problem? My friend helped me delete my C:// to speed up computer.
[23:19] <dr_willis> aquarat:  cant say ive ever seen that done.. dosent mean theres not ;0 just never needed to do it that way
[23:19] <dr_willis> FaxinBerlin:  ask in #windows perhaps
[23:19] <FaxinBerlin> My computer wont work
[23:19] <FaxinBerlin> i use ubuntu
[23:19] <dr_willis> FaxinBerlin:  ubuntu dosent use c:\
[23:19] <FaxinBerlin> i renamed it
[23:19] <FaxinBerlin> looks nicer
[23:20] <aquarat> thanks dr_willis
[23:20] <aquarat> there must be a way
[23:20] <dr_willis> aquarat:  i do seem to recall some heartbeat services that could reboot a machine automatically in some cases
[23:20] <dr_willis> aquarat:  what are you trying to do exactly and why?
[23:21] <Random832> aquarat: hang on
[23:21] <aquarat> I have a remote machine, which I'm connected to via ssh
[23:21] <aquarat> it started giving a "bus error" output to commands in bash
[23:21] <aquarat> now I can't log in from other ssh clients
[23:21] <aquarat> and I can't run anything other than "echo"
[23:21] <dr_willis> you are seeing dmesg/syslog messages in your ssh session?
[23:21] <aquarat> no
[23:22] <aquarat> dmesg is one of the many commands that results in "command not found\nbus error"
[23:22] <aquarat> where \n is printed as new line
[23:22] <Random832> aquarat: try kill -9 1 (NOTE to everyone else: this is normally a highly dangerous command, and is not normally useful outside of aquarat's situation - don't try this at home)
[23:22] <dr_willis> echo is  a bash builtin,   so its possible theres been some very nasty hard disk or other hardware faliure
[23:23] <aquarat> that's quite smart Random832
[23:23] <dr_willis> there may  be other ;builtins' you can run.. but  the system might not even comeback  up if you reboot it
[23:23] <Random832> kill is a bash builtin
[23:23] <aquarat> ah
[23:23] <aquarat> session terminated
[23:23]  * aquarat waits
[23:23] <Random832> good luck
[23:23] <aquarat> awesome
[23:23] <dr_willis> exTerminated! ;)  Like a Dalak! ;P
[23:23] <aquarat> I figured there must be some built in commands
[23:23] <Random832> i bet it won't come up, though, in which case call your hosting company
[23:23] <aquarat> lolol @ dalek
[23:23] <aquarat> egggs
[23:23] <FloodBot1> aquarat: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:24] <dr_willis> this is a Virtual machine> or a real physical server?
[23:24] <aquarat> physical server
[23:25] <Random832> the issue he described sounds like a hardware fault, probably in memory (or in some part of the motherboard relevant to accessing memory)
[23:25] <dr_willis> yep. dosent sound good..
[23:25] <aquarat> it appears that killing 1 (init?) has kicked me off but not reset the machine
[23:25] <aquarat> but that's okay
[23:25] <aquarat> I'll e-mail the hosting company and ask them to reset
[23:26] <aquarat> should be interesting to see if it does come up
[23:27] <aquarat> thanks for your help :)
[23:27] <Random832> yes, 1 is init
[23:27] <Random832> killing it causes a kernel panic, if i remember correctly
[23:27] <aquarat> I must admit I've never seen the bus error message before
[23:28] <dr_willis> the mother-in-law of all processes
[23:28] <dr_willis> ;)
[23:28] <aquarat> haha
[23:28] <dr_willis> Me either.. never seen the bus stuff
[23:28] <aquarat> the machine still responds to network comms
[23:28] <Random832> i've never seen it in an intel
[23:28] <aquarat> it just doesn't allow ssh connections
[23:28] <aquarat> it's not an intel ;)
[23:28] <Random832> you get it on sparc solaris for unaligned memory access
[23:28] <Random832> and on some other UNIXes for stuff that would be a segmentation fault on linux
[23:29] <aquarat> it's an arm machine
[23:29] <Random832> ah
[23:29] <dr_willis> an arm server? thats a little unusual
[23:29] <aquarat> well it's used for simple stuff
[23:29] <dr_willis> its not a raspberry-pi on a big fat fiber line? ;)
[23:30] <aquarat> I'm sure this isn't the best way of doing things but I have a whole bunch of other machines creating reverse ssh tunnels into it
[23:30] <aquarat> haha
[23:30] <aquarat> it's an O-droid x
[23:30] <aquarat> or odroid-x
[23:30] <Random832> dr_willis: no, a repurposed surface RT
[23:30] <aquarat> quad core 1.4GHz machine
[23:30] <dr_willis> getting to be a lot of neat little arm-mini pcs out there.
[23:30] <aquarat> yes...
[23:30] <aquarat> I've just ordered the odroid-xu
[23:31] <aquarat> that's one of the new arm BIG.little cpus
[23:31] <aquarat> which is effectively an 8-core processor
[23:31] <Random832> http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/main.php - looks like a pi-like-object to me
[23:31] <aquarat> but it switches between low power cores and high power cores depending on work load
[23:31] <aquarat> it's very similar to the pi, just with a lot more memory and with a lot more processing power
[23:32] <aquarat> ...but obviously more costly
[23:32] <Random832> i was thinking of getting a pi to replace my aging "home server" computer
[23:32] <dr_willis> hmm that odroid-xu looks like a Raspberry-pi on steroids.  ;)
[23:32] <Random832> how much does this thing cost
[23:32] <aquarat> oh
[23:32] <aquarat> I love pis
[23:32] <aquarat> well
[23:32] <dr_willis> Pi $35 odroid xu = $140 from what i just saw
[23:32] <aquarat> arm sbcs in general... there's awesome
[23:33] <aquarat> there's also olimex...
[23:33] <aquarat> it all depends on what you're trying to achieve
[23:33] <dr_willis> Better Mame Arcade  Machine! ;)
[23:33] <aquarat> my home alarm system is driven by an olimex machine :P
[23:34] <aquarat> https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/iMX233/
[23:34] <dr_willis> Been using Plex on Ubuntu - serveing videos to my Pi-Plex  raspberry pis. :)
[23:34] <Random832> [i run mostly IRC and various random command line stuff off a 1GHZ Athlon64 X2
[23:34] <dr_willis> makes for a nice setup once you fnd a decent remote for the pis
[23:34] <linuxliam> i remeber how to edit gconf strings via the terminal but i don’t remember the layout if the command
[23:34] <aquarat> lol Random832
[23:34] <Random832> and file serving / backups
[23:34] <Random832> with a massive external hard drive
[23:35] <Random832> well my primary computer is a laptop, which isn't conducive to either A) always-on things like IRC or B) attaching an external hard drive to
[23:35] <aquarat> I use a combination of different arm sbcs for different tasks... I use a Solidrun Cubox as a file server, it runs Ubuntu and mdadm on an a set of esata drives. It has a gbit ethernet link, so it's great for file serving
[23:36] <dr_willis> its always nice when you can replace a huge old desktop box with a little Pi. ;)
[23:36] <aquarat> hehe
[23:36] <Random832> yeah it's basically an old desktop my parents were throwing away
[23:36] <dr_willis> i just have to get the wife trained to use Plex and XBMC now on the tvs so she can dump her other set top boxs
[23:36] <Random832> set up headless next to the TV (it can't output video to the TV for some reason even though the TV has vga-in)
[23:37] <aquarat> I feel a bit sad when I can't find a use for old desktop PCs... there was a time in my life when there was always place for an old machine
[23:37] <dr_willis> been cleaning out ones all weekend here from the garrage.
[23:37] <dr_willis> set up MAME for the grandkids on them. is about all i have done lately
[23:37] <daftykins> aquarat: i know that pain :(
[23:37] <dr_willis> bbl
[23:38] <aquarat> well I'm glad I'm not alone :P
[23:38] <Random832> do any of these pi-alikes have wi-fi?
[23:38] <aquarat> er
[23:38] <aquarat> the olimex boards do
[23:38] <Random832> i'd love to shove it in a corner and not have it take up an ethernet outlet
[23:38] <aquarat> not all of them, but the A13 in particular does, it has 1 GHz dual core arm cpu on it
[23:38] <aquarat> with vga output and a bucketload of gpios
[23:39] <aquarat> I have some of my pis running on the wifi network using small wifi usb dongles... they work reliably, provided they're close to the access Point
[23:39] <Random832> since my ATT router only has four ethernet ports - i've been making excuses not to set up the magic wifi box that the secondary [wireless, but doesn't work off of home wifi] DVR needs
[23:39] <aquarat> where close is < 20 meters
[23:40] <aquarat> I've cabled my home... I have gigabit ethernet everywhere :P
[23:40] <aquarat> I have 4gbit ethernet linking my desktop (upstairs) to my server (downstairs)
[23:40] <aquarat> speed :(
[23:40] <lauratika> everytime i start ubuntu or login after lock screen resolution changes and adds a black strip on top of the screen or the bottom, then i have to set manually another resolution to have the screen work again, any iadea what can be the issue?
[23:41] <holstein> lauratika: graphics driver support... an xorg.conf that is not "right"...
[23:43] <lauratika> holstein: how can i change this?
[23:43] <holstein> lauratika: you would need to test, to confirm what needs to be changed. and there is always an option that that is as good as it gets
[23:44] <lauratika> so where i start?
[23:44] <holstein> lauratika: ?
[23:45] <lauratika> holstein: yeah, what can i do then?
[23:45] <holstein> lauratika: do you have an xorg.conf? if not, then that is not the problem.. are the drivers available for you hardware?,, if so, try them
[23:46] <cazandobits> hi
[23:46] <cazandobits> How I can remove all tool for universal acess (orca...)
[23:47] <cazandobits> ¿?
[23:47] <lauratika> where should xorg.conf should be?
[23:47] <ZIPY> !xorg
[23:48] <holstein> cazandobits: i would use a package manager to remove packages.. whatever i am comfortable with
[23:48] <ZIPY> lauratika: !xorgconf
[23:49] <ZIPY> !xorgconf | lauratika
[23:56] <cazandobits> I want to delete ubuntu software center
[23:56] <kostkon> cazandobits, why??
[23:56] <cazandobits> I preffer synaptic and gdebi
[23:57] <daftykins> cazandobits: no point
[23:57] <cazandobits> why?
[23:58] <cazandobits> daftykins, why?
[23:58] <PocketDog> the software centre is hopeless. It takes forever to do anything
[23:58] <daftykins> cazandobits: it's not going to be large, taking up space...


[11:13] <rmg51> Morning
[13:09] <rmg51> off to PACS
[13:10] <JonathanD> Heading to the airport shortly.
[14:06] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs and turkeys
[14:46] <waltman> ah, pacs day
[22:52] <rmg51> Teddy is not a happy teddy bear right now
[22:52] <rmg51> seems the power supply for his laptop died
[23:20] <rmg51> I should have said the power adapter


[03:06] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Alan Pope: Snapcraft metrics @ https://popey.com/blog/2023/10/snapcraft-metrics/
[03:55] <guiverc> UWN (I forget the number sorry & closed the window) looks good Bashing-om , no comments
[04:08] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Outstanding :) Put 808 to bed :D
[19:32] <Bashing-om> UWN: Pulling "WIP" - Log checked and no edits are known - will start the push soonest.
[19:50] <Bashing-om> UWN: M/L is away - Doing the Forums posting next.
[20:05] <Bashing-om> UWN: Forums post done > Discourse next.
[20:27] <Bashing-om> UWN:  Posted to Discurse - Re-directs are next up :D
[20:46] <Bashing-om> UWN: Re-directs completed - making up a Mastodon blog next.
[21:11] <Bashing-om> UWN: Blogged Mastodon -- Pending now is release to the other Social Media platforms.
[22:15] <guiverc> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2023/10/09/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-808/
[22:15] <guiverc> (one link changed)
[22:19] <Bashing-om> Fridge: Spot check and all looks good.
[22:19] <guiverc> thanks Bashing-om , tweeted only extra at this stage
[22:23] <guiverc> posted to telegram (mewe)
[22:25] <guiverc> A "X.Org" in a article title opens to a page on discourse; but appropriate page so not a problem (likely not intended)
[22:31] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I too noted X.Org as camel case on discourse - but pleased that it opens the page - left well enough alone.
[22:31] <guiverc> :) & thanks (checking & fair enough)
[22:32] <guiverc> I 'heart' the discourse page after I've read it
[22:32] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Good now to wipe away our evidence ?
[22:32] <guiverc> yep scrub away thanks Bashing-om
[22:32] <Bashing-om> doing ^
[22:52] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue809 off and running :D
[23:53] <guiverc> :)


[19:55]  * zxmpi pokes wobbly internet connection
[20:04]  * daftykins hands over the emergency tape
[20:04] <daftykins> might be challenging to use for a wireless connection, but i believe in you!
[20:08] <zxmpi> was a convergence of flamingo ups. went down on a bank holiday weekend, no prob. can wait till tuesday. tech support: your ap is ancient we'll send a tech on thursday. tech support arrives and finds line is dead. we need to re run cable. please hold...
[20:09] <daftykins> o0
[20:10] <daftykins> pretty much blamed everything except your computer(s)!
[20:10] <zxmpi> my pi abides
[20:11] <zxmpi> tried using libera chat on web interface but it barfed every attempt. tried setting up irc on dumb nokia via java client but it didn't play as nice as freenode. will have to try again later
[20:11] <daftykins> hrmm
[20:12] <daftykins> and to think, whilst you were gone the channel suddenly roared back into life with a dozen active chatters each day complaining of the winter weather!
[20:12] <daftykins> ...just kidding ;)
[20:13] <zxmpi> did make me think of an alternate config for home irc. picked up a mifi. might use a newer rasp pi connected via cable to that for a backup irc connection
[20:23] <daftykins> sounds like a plan, genii used to run quassel i think it was on one but the logging killed the microSD card xD
[20:27] <zxmpi> i'll stick with console based apps. might be time to make it accessible from outside home network though
[20:44] <daftykins> i think that's what that one does, can connect in from irssi or hexchat or anything as i understand it
[21:18] <daftykins> low stock around here, let's see if i can struggle through that rubbish chocolate orange from the other day
[21:19]  * zxmpi stocked up on generic kitkats today.


[10:21] <bilalakhtar> So ben is back?
[10:23] <nisshh> bilalakhtar, he said on the ML he will check in on Monday, supposedly he has finished exams
[10:23] <bilalakhtar> hmm
[10:24] <bilalakhtar> I read that mail
[10:25] <nisshh> bilalakhtar, so why do you sound not convinced?
[10:25] <bilalakhtar> since he told me a week aho that it would be another 2 weeks for his xams to finish
[10:25] <bilalakhtar> *exams
[10:26] <bilalakhtar> was surprised to see his mail
[10:26] <nisshh> bilalakhtar, heh, maybe he was just saying 'about' two weeks ;)
[10:26] <bilalakhtar> From his tone it seemed like he hates manual stuff
[10:27] <bilalakhtar> since the other day he said so
[10:27] <nisshh> bilalakhtar, i think that's sarcasm
[10:27] <bilalakhtar> He kept blogging on OMG! during exams
[10:27] <bilalakhtar> nisshh: yup it is
[10:27] <nisshh> blogging doesnt take up nearly as much time as manual stuff
[11:51] <Hannie> In Tex Live: Overfull \hbox and Underfull \hbox. What does this mean?
[11:51] <Hannie> I suppose the text is too long, but underfull?
[20:48] <humphreybc> Who's around?
[20:48] <nisshh> yo humphreybc :)
[20:50] <humphreybc> sup
[20:50] <humphreybc> I just mailed the list
[20:50] <humphreybc> you're up early
[20:51] <nisshh> humphreybc, no, im up late :)
[20:51] <humphreybc> ha
[20:51] <humphreybc> what time is it?
[20:51] <nisshh> 3:51am
[20:51] <humphreybc> nice
[20:51] <nisshh> and i have college tomorrow :)
[20:51] <humphreybc> almost 9am here
[20:52]  * humphreybc is in the future, as usual
[20:52] <nisshh> lol
[20:52] <nisshh> humphreybc, i just had the most awesome thing happen
[20:52] <nisshh> i was trying out vendetta online
[20:52] <nisshh> a guy goes: so what OS are we all using?
[20:52] <nisshh> one guy: windows
[20:52] <nisshh> 3 guys: mac
[20:53] <nisshh> then 40+ people: Ubuntu
[20:53] <humphreybc> hahaha
[20:53] <humphreybc> wicked
[20:53] <humphreybc> yeah Ubuntu's pretty well known now
[20:53] <nisshh> i was like "WOOO!" :)
[20:53] <nisshh> yeah
[20:53] <humphreybc> I've actually mentioned it to people around campus, and even though they aren't using it, they're like "oh yeah, i've heard of that"
[20:53] <nisshh> oh wow
[20:54] <nisshh> im starting to see it more too
[20:54] <Muscovy> I'm starting to run into more people who've heard of it too.
[20:54] <nisshh> my dads mate has one of those linux based media things that you plug into your TV
[20:54] <humphreybc> too bad releases don't get more mainstream attention
[20:54] <humphreybc> engadget's article for maverick was shithouse
[20:54] <nisshh> i didnt see it
[20:55] <nisshh> what kind of crap did they say?
[20:55] <humphreybc> they got it from a tip off, for pete's sake
[20:55] <humphreybc> lemme find it
[20:55] <nisshh> a tip off?
[20:55] <humphreybc> yeah
[20:55] <humphreybc> ie someone emailed them and reminded them it was out
[20:55] <humphreybc> they didn't even know :)
[20:55] <Muscovy> I've tried unsuccessfully to get the CBC's tech show to talk about the last 2 Ubuntu releases.
[20:56] <Muscovy> Ah well, maybe Natty.
[20:56] <nisshh> hehe
[20:56] <nisshh> humphreybc, is it this one: http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/10/ubuntu-10-10-maverick-meerkat-officially-released-get-your-cl/
[20:56] <humphreybc> yup
[20:57] <humphreybc> it's a fairly lackluster post
[20:57] <nisshh> yeah
[20:58] <nisshh> "more of the same" bah!
[20:58] <Muscovy> "software purchase support might legitimize Ubuntu as an app platform" makes it sound like we've got 12 apps or something.
[20:58] <humphreybc> little do they know we have 1
[20:58] <Muscovy> I meant apps in general.
[20:58] <Muscovy> But yeah, that department is a little empty.
[20:58] <Muscovy> Well, very.
[20:58] <nisshh> hehe
[20:59] <nisshh> well, 2 now :)
[20:59] <humphreybc> you'll see some of our games in there soon :P
[20:59] <nisshh> yeah
[20:59] <nisshh> saw the post
[20:59] <nisshh> post's
[20:59] <humphreybc> you guys read the email i just sent to the list?
[21:00] <nisshh> just looking now
[21:01] <nisshh> humphreybc, if you read the mail i sent to the list, thorwil mentioned in a reply that the title page for maverick was done and in trunk
[21:01] <humphreybc> yup
[21:01] <nisshh> ive been asked by translators all week when will writing freeze happen
[21:02] <nisshh> i keep having to tell them, soon
[21:02] <nisshh> i havent had a chance to do a glossary sweep yet either
[21:02] <nisshh> i have had three of my own projects to work on
[21:03] <nisshh> and my own manual team to lead :)
[21:03] <humphreybc> lol
[21:03] <nisshh> yep, im a busy man now :)
[21:04] <humphreybc> welcome to the club!
[21:04] <nisshh> hehe
[21:04] <nisshh> ive been mingling with the Canonical guys and other people a lot too
[21:04] <humphreybc> awesome
[21:05] <nisshh> i have been talking to jono, jcastro, micahg, etc :)
[21:05] <nisshh> akgraner
[21:05] <humphreybc> that's awesome Ryan
[21:05] <nisshh> yeah
[21:05] <nisshh> did my own session at App Week too :0
[21:05] <humphreybc> mint
[21:06] <nisshh> what?
[21:16] <daker> hi
[21:16] <Muscovy> Hello.
[21:20] <daker> humphreybc, you didn't send those changes :)
[21:21] <humphreybc> daker: will get onto it this week
[21:21] <daker> oki
[21:21] <daker> btw we need to know who is going to host the new website
[21:22] <humphreybc> yeah
[21:22] <humphreybc> kevin or josh
[21:22] <daker> ok
[21:23] <daker> i don't know if we can ask canonical to host it
[21:23] <humphreybc> maybe but doubt it
[21:23] <Muscovy> What does the hosting entail? Does it just need LAMP?
[21:24] <daker> Muscovy, django
[21:24] <daker> +lamp
[21:34] <godbyk> daker: josh said he could host the django part on his server.  I was going to host the static files on my server to help offload some of the bandwidth.
[21:34] <godbyk> django hates me on my server right now.
[21:34] <daker> oki
[21:34] <godbyk> I could set up a VPS with my host, too, but it costs extra.
[21:35] <humphreybc> if josh can host it for now, that's great. we might be able to pull enough money off donations for hosting eventually
[21:35] <humphreybc> godbyk: you read the email I sent to the list?
[21:38] <godbyk> humphreybc: yep
[21:38] <humphreybc> sweet, whaddyou think?
[21:40] <godbyk> I'd love to see some activity on the project again.
[21:40] <humphreybc> that's a very diplomatic answer
[21:41] <godbyk> I think I'll have to define my role a bit better, especially with regard to boundaries -- what I will and won't do -- as my time is a bit more limited than it was during the first release.
[21:41] <humphreybc> indeed
[21:43] <godbyk> I'm happy to continue the hosting that I can do (I still don't know why django is giving my so many headaches), to manage the release of the PDFs and Lulu books, to handle building things (I need to fix the build scripts), and to work on the LaTeX code and book design, but I will probably have to leave most of the editing and writing to others.
[21:43] <daker> ah thanks godbyk  coze i forgot lulu links :)
[22:19] <dutchie> humphreybc: i looked at setting it up, and it turned out to be a bit of a pain to separate out the static and dynamic hosting
[22:19] <dutchie> university is also insanely busy
[22:20] <humphreybc> hm ok
[22:20] <humphreybc> this could be an issue
[22:20] <humphreybc> we could host it on Ohso's server mayhaps
[22:22] <godbyk> dutchie: do the static files take up a lot of space/bandwidth?  (I assume it's still easy to redirect the PDF downloads to a url on my server, right?)
[22:23] <dutchie> godbyk: i haven't had a chance to look at it
[22:23] <godbyk> dutchie: fair enough. I'm in the same boat. :)
[22:23] <dutchie> what's the bandwidth requirement been like?
[22:23] <godbyk> good question. let me see if I can find an answer.
[22:24] <daker> godbyk, yep you can host the static files & the pdfs too
[22:24] <godbyk> wow
[22:24] <godbyk> from the 16th to the 23rd, I have the following stats:
[22:25] <godbyk> ubuntu-manual.org - 170 MB/day
[22:25] <godbyk> builds.ubuntu-manual.org - 24 MB/day
[22:25] <godbyk> files.ubuntu-manual.org - 3030 MB/day
[22:25] <humphreybc> heh
[22:25] <daker> Wow
[22:25] <humphreybc> omgubuntu.co.uk serves up about 25GB a day
[22:26] <godbyk> all the other *.ubuntu-manual.org sites have negligible traffic.
[22:27] <Omega> Speaking of omgubuntu, it was down a minute ago
[22:28] <daker> humphreybc, i guess you are nor using a cache system that's why
[22:28] <humphreybc> Omega: moving to a new server (yet again) next weekend
[22:28] <humphreybc> daker: we have some pretty intense optimization going on
[22:29] <humphreybc> we're just getting so many freakin' page views
[22:29] <godbyk> well, files.ubuntu-manual.org is primarily serving the PDFs of the manual.
[22:32] <dutchie> godbyk: if there's no significant increase then there is no need to split stuff up
[22:33] <godbyk> dutchie: doesn't matter much to me. (I don't know how daker's new site compares in terms of size/bandwidth requirements.)
[22:33] <dutchie> i will set it up when i have more than 5 minutes at a time free
[22:33] <godbyk> dutchie: I'm happy to continuing hosting whatever I can to help out.
[22:33] <godbyk> dutchie: no problem.
[22:34] <dutchie> i have 100GB/mo bandwidth basically none of which i use
[22:36] <Omega> dutchie: You could host a mirror repository/help a project with downloads (I believe kubuntu was in need)
[22:36] <dutchie> well, i'm about to start hosting u-m
[22:36] <humphreybc> yeah
[22:36] <dutchie> the problem with mirrors is that my disk space is limited
[22:36] <humphreybc> godbyk could host a mirror
[22:36] <dutchie> i used to mirror the ubuntu uk podcast
[22:36] <Omega> Ah, yeah that could be a problem
[22:36] <humphreybc> we could appeal for mirrors too
[22:37] <Muscovy> I have hosting I could volunteer, but I can't get ssh access to add django.
[22:38] <godbyk> the biggest 'problem' is that we're going to be using django.
[22:38] <dutchie> i can do django when i have a chance
[22:38] <godbyk> I could setup a VPS through my hosting company (with 'unlimited' bandwidth/disk space), but it costs extra.  and the costs depend on how much memory+cpu you require.
[22:38] <Muscovy> What pages use it? Is it all or just stuff like the bug reporter?
[22:38] <dutchie> there are about 3 different django instances running off my vps, so it's fine
[22:39] <dutchie> i know what i'm doing, more or less
[22:39] <dutchie> i just need a time when i can do it :)
[22:39] <humphreybc> godbyk: how much extra?
[22:40] <humphreybc> godbyk: is your server a shared one/
[22:40] <humphreybc> or dedicated?
[22:40] <Omega> You probably don't need a dedicated server.
[22:41] <godbyk> humphreybc: http://www.dreamhost.com/vps-pricing.html
[22:41] <godbyk> humphreybc: I have a shared server right now.
[22:41] <humphreybc> I dunno if we can do $15 a month
[22:42] <Omega> godbyk: How has dreamhost been for you?
[22:42] <humphreybc> we're moving all of our ohso sites away from dreamhost
[22:42] <Omega> Good
[22:42] <Omega> Dedicated?
[22:42] <humphreybc> VPS for now
[22:42] <godbyk> Omega: It's been okay. It's had its ups and downs. But since I'm not serving a lot of mission-critical stuff, it's worked pretty well for my needs.  It's been really solid the past year or so.
[22:42] <humphreybc> no need for dedicated just yet
[22:43] <Omega> I would advise against a dedicated
[22:45] <godbyk> btw, here are the numbers on the lulu book purchases:
[22:45] <godbyk> 8709550	Getting Started with Ubuntu 10.04 -- Print	131
[22:45] <godbyk> 9121535	Ξεκινώντας με το Ubuntu 10.04 -- Print	3
[22:45] <godbyk> 9148542	Erste Schritte mit Ubuntu 10.04 -- Print	13
[22:45] <godbyk> 9235313	Getting Started with Ubuntu 10.04 - Second Edition -- Print	25
[22:45] <humphreybc> neat
[22:45] <humphreybc> we should add a couple of dollars to the price to help cover hosting costs
[22:45] <humphreybc> they're like $7 at the moment right?
[22:46] <dutchie> humphreybc: i think we should have a "dirt cheap" version and one with a small markup
[22:46] <humphreybc> ok
[22:46] <dutchie> ubuntu philosophy and all that
[22:46] <humphreybc> and point people to which one by default?
[22:46] <dutchie> i'd say the marked up one, but make it clear that there is a cheaper option
[22:47] <humphreybc> ok
[22:47] <godbyk> the second edition is $9.70, for example. (the others are similarly priced.)
[22:47] <humphreybc> we can do that
[22:49] <godbyk> lulu takes 20% off the net profit typically.
[22:50] <humphreybc> ah that's a pain
[22:50] <godbyk> so if the book is 9.70 minimum cost and we sell it for 12.00, we get 1.84 and lulu gets 0.46.
[22:53] <humphreybc> hm
[22:53] <humphreybc> what do you think?
[22:53] <humphreybc> if we offer a cheap one
[22:53] <humphreybc> it should be fine
[22:56] <godbyk> As long as there are links to both and they're clearly marked (one is the at-cost version, the other is the 'donate' version). and we'd have to make it clear as to what the money is for.
[22:57] <humphreybc> sure
[22:57] <dutchie> how would we deal with getting the donations to people paying for hosting fairly?
[22:58] <godbyk> dutchie: I can mail you a crisp new American dollar bill if you like. ;-)
[22:59] <dutchie> 63.8 pence
[22:59] <godbyk> Shut up.
[22:59] <dutchie> that will buy me one largish chocolate bar
[22:59] <dutchie> sort of mars duo range
[22:59] <godbyk> Doesn't buy a largish anything here.
[23:00] <godbyk> (Though our definitions of 'large' may vary -- especially when it comes to candy bars!)
[23:00] <dutchie> well, yeah
[23:00] <dutchie> in this case, "largish" means the second smallest size
[23:02] <godbyk> gotcha
[23:02] <dutchie> i need to buy some coffee
[23:02] <dutchie> but tesco's closed 2 minutes ago :(
[23:04] <godbyk> no candy bars for you!
[23:04] <dutchie> no :(
[23:38] <daker> oki i'll call it a day
[23:38] <daker> see y
[23:38] <godbyk> see ya, daker
[23:38] <humphreybc> see ya
[23:39] <daker> humphreybc, i need you to prepare something for me
[23:39] <humphreybc> daker: yep, I will
[23:39] <daker> for the website
[23:39] <humphreybc> can
[23:39] <humphreybc> can you please email me the instructions to get it working again to test
[23:39] <humphreybc> I did a fresh install
[23:39] <humphreybc> so no longer have it
[23:39] <daker> ok
[23:39] <daker> not now i'll do it tomorrow at work


[00:31] <pleia2> ok, stats still need to be added, but otherwise it's off for editorial review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue303
[00:52] <Unit193> Nothing unexpected, link wise.
[03:03] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: think I should cross-post the wrap-up?
[03:03] <pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: sure
[03:04] <JoseeAntonioR> ok, working on it then
[03:29] <JoseeAntonioR> submitted for review
[03:32] <pleia2> thanks, published
[03:39] <JoseeAntonioR> :)
[07:46] <dholbach> good morning
[17:56] <pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: have some time to add stats?
[17:56] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: sure! I just woke up :)
[17:56] <pleia2> thanks :)
[18:00] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: erm, we're having some problems with brainstorm, we have *no* popular ideas this week, should I just delete that part?
[18:00] <pleia2> yep
[18:01] <JoseeAntonioR> ok!
[18:19] <JoseeAntonioR> is it usual for the scripts to give tabs instead of spaces sometimes?
[18:19] <pleia2> for example?
[18:19] <pleia2> I suspect the answer is "probably"
[18:21] <JoseeAntonioR> like, between the package name and version, or after the version, it inserts a tab instead of an space to separate
[18:21] <pleia2> ah yeah, it does that, usually when the package name ends in .gz
[18:22] <pleia2> it's not a huge deal, I just paste it in
[18:22] <JoseeAntonioR> I'm fixing that, though
[18:22] <pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: no need
[18:22] <JoseeAntonioR> blargh, ok
[18:22] <pleia2> we never fix it, not worth the effort :)
[18:22] <JoseeAntonioR> ok then! won't do it next time
[18:23] <pleia2> you do probably want to clean up security alerts though, bring the link up to the same line as the name of the package
[18:23] <pleia2> ah, you did that
[18:23] <pleia2> if some native english speakers have some time, it would be great to have some editorial review on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue303
[18:24] <pleia2> (looks like both of our regular editors haven't had time yet)
[18:24]  * pleia2 back2work
[18:32] <Unit193> pleia2: Can you run it through whatever you used to do, to audit my script?  :P
[22:08] <pleia2> Unit193: I used http://validator.w3.org/


[21:15] <Kangarooo> Hello! How can i search all users that have put that they speak latvian, so i can add all to loco team and they could help in loco team?


[01:38] <haywire> I'm having a desktop problem in xubuntu 9.10... panels have all disappeared...
[02:33] <Kip> Hey folks. New Ubuntu sci-fi game under development for those interested: https://www.avaneya.com
[03:29] <Phrea> http://i.imgur.com/y7Zuf.jpg why is my Nautilus and rightclick menu so unlike Lucid? :? [the rest is like it should be, including app/etc menus]
[03:30] <Phrea> sorry for the big picture, I've got dualscreen
[03:31] <Chesamo> Come again, Phrea? That looks like the normal menu to me.
[03:31] <Phrea> it should be like the applications menu etc
[03:32] <Phrea> and Nautilus looks rediculously outdated
[03:32] <Phrea> it does NOT look like this on my other box
[03:32] <Phrea> at all
[03:32] <Chesamo> The Applications menu doesn't come up on right-click in GNOME.
[03:32] <Appl6> Phrea: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9307380
[03:33] <Phrea> Chesamo: talking about different things here, see screenshot
[03:33] <Phrea> Appl6: having a look :)
[03:34] <Phrea> I'm not sure about this...
[03:34] <Phrea> should I blindly c/p those commands?
[03:34] <Chesamo> Yes
[03:34] <Chesamo> Phrea: They won't do any damage
[03:35] <Phrea> you didnt even understand what I meant
[03:35] <Chesamo> phrea: But only do one or the other. I reccomend the second one.
[03:35] <Phrea> I'm not sure...
[03:35] <Chesamo> Phrea: It's explained in the post ;-)
[03:35] <Phrea> then I have to reboot... :x
[03:35] <Appl6> Phrea: I think he did.  To the point, you can mv that directory out of the way if rm makes you uncomfortable.
[03:35] <Phrea> I hate rebooting
[03:36] <Chesamo> Phrea: Why? The boot time on Ubuntu is negligible, if anything
[03:36] <Appl6> Phrea: And no, you just have to restart nautilus.
[03:36] <Phrea> ok...
[03:36] <Phrea> if something goes wrong, you dudes are to blame !
[03:36] <Chesamo> Phrea: We live with that risk every day ;-)
[03:40] <Phrea> thank you so much... :x
[03:40] <Phrea> it DID reboot my wole damn computer
[03:41] <Phrea> you can imagine how happy I was about that...
[03:41]  * Chesamo blinks
[03:42] <Chesamo> !language
[03:42] <Chesamo> Shoot. Guess I don't know how to trigger that after all.
[03:42] <Phrea> s/damn/darn
[03:42] <ddecator> Chesamo: you need voice
[03:42] <ZachK_> !language | Phrea
[03:42] <Votebot> Phrea: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[03:42] <Chesamo> Durn.
[03:42] <Phrea> it rebooted my system
[03:42] <ZachK_> Chesamo: you have to be voiced
[03:42] <Phrea> I asked about that
[03:42] <Chesamo> Yeah, I heard :P
[03:43] <Chesamo> Phrea: [22:36]  <Appl6> Phrea: And no, you just have to restart nautilus.
[03:43] <Phrea> I didnt get the chance did I
[03:43] <Appl6> Phrea: Has the problem been resolved?
[03:43] <Phrea> as soon as I entered that command, my computer rebooted
[03:43] <Phrea> Appl6: yes
[03:43] <Appl6> Phrea: You mean the "reboot" command?  It tends to do that.
[03:43] <Phrea> I was going to say that
[03:43] <Chesamo> Phrea: Yeah, that's why it's generally advisable to read the entire post
[03:43] <Phrea> Appl6: I asked about it
[03:44] <Phrea> oh well, it solved the 'problem'
[03:44] <Phrea> but please, be more careful next time
[03:44] <Appl6> !
[03:44] <Phrea> read the commands, know what they do
[03:44] <Appl6> !!
[03:44] <Chesamo> Phrea: We did and do. We gave you the simplest command and did something before I had time to react :/
[03:45] <Phrea> it did however work :)
[03:45] <Phrea> I asked about the reboot command
[03:45] <Phrea> it doesnt matter
[03:45] <Phrea> it worked
[03:45] <Phrea> :)
[03:45] <Appl6> Phrea: You only needed to run _one_ of the commands.  One of the commands did _not_ require you to reboot.  The post clearly explains that you only needed one of them.
[03:45] <Phrea> thanks :)
[03:45] <Chesamo> Phrea: Yes, and I asked if rebooting was a problem...
[03:46] <Phrea> Appl6: one of 1
[03:46] <Phrea> one of 2 that is
[03:46] <Phrea> 2 were posted
[03:46] <Phrea> the second one was reccommended to me
[03:46] <Phrea> it worked, but it did reboot my system
[03:46] <Phrea> it's ok, it worked, it's not a server :)
[03:46] <Phrea> still, be a bit more careful
[03:47] <Appl6> Phrea: I did not recommend the second one, and your blaming me for that is ridiculous.
[03:47] <Chesamo> Appl6: I did.
[03:47] <Phrea> ^ :)
[03:47] <Phrea> I thought he said that it only meant that Nautilus would reboot
[03:47] <Phrea> iso the complete system
[03:47] <Chesamo> Appl6, Phrea: In my defense, I asked if there was a specific _problem_ with rebooting
[03:47] <Phrea> still, it worked
[03:48] <Phrea> Chesamo: I missed that
[03:48] <Chesamo> Phrea: You only use the term "reboot" with system-level restart...
[03:48] <Phrea> and there was NO problem rebooting
[03:48] <Phrea> it's not a server :)
[03:49] <Appl6> Phrea: The problem is with your ludicrous accusations, not whether you were mildly inconvenienced by having to reboot your computer.
[03:49] <Phrea> I'm too lazy to dive into logs, so, I'll take it as is :)
[03:50] <Phrea> I'm sorry
[03:50] <Phrea> thanks for helping me out
[03:50] <Chesamo> Appl6, Phrea: I'm willing to let dead dogs lie, personally
[03:50] <Appl6> (10:34:28 PM) Phrea: then I have to reboot... :x
[03:50] <Appl6> (10:34:34 PM) Phrea: I hate rebooting
[03:50] <Appl6> (10:34:58 PM) Appl6: Phrea: And no, you just have to restart nautilus.
[03:50] <Phrea> it's all ok
[03:51] <Appl6> Phrea: If any part of that was unclear, I'm afraid I cannot help you.
[03:51] <Phrea> Appl6: it was unclear as in that I thought you said that I only needed to restart nautilus
[03:52] <Phrea> maybe I'm not really familiar with all this computer talk then eh
[03:53] <Phrea> also the first AND last time that I take advice from people I dont know
[03:53] <Phrea> mind you it DID work, thanks for that
[03:53]  * Chesamo blinks
[03:54] <Phrea> you should just be a bit more clear, this is a beginners channel
[03:54] <Chesamo> We asked questions, and generally expect answers
[03:54] <Chesamo> Listen, why are you dragging this out>
[03:54] <Phrea> I have no idea
[03:54] <Phrea> well, I was a bit pissed
[03:55] <Phrea> but that has passed
[03:55] <Phrea> it worked
[03:55] <Phrea> and I'm happy
[03:55] <Phrea> what caused this behaviour?
[03:55] <Chesamo> Misconfiguration of GCONF
[03:55] <Phrea> this is a clean Lucid install
[03:55] <Chesamo> It happens sometimes.
[03:55] <Phrea> Chesamo: aha
[03:55] <Phrea> so nothing I did?
[03:56] <Chesamo> Files get corrupt off the CD, things get accidentally run
[03:56] <Chesamo> yeah.
[03:56] <Phrea> aha
[03:56] <Phrea> ok
[03:56] <Phrea> never knew things could get corrupted from cd to pc :o
[03:57] <Phrea> I checked the iso against the md5, etc
[03:57] <Chesamo> Just happens sometimes.
[03:57]  * Chesamo shrugs
[03:57] <Phrea> ok :)
[03:57] <Phrea> I believe you :)
[03:57] <Phrea> sorry that I was a bit pissed
[04:00]  * Phrea licks Chesamo and Appl6 :P
[04:01]  * Chesamo meeps
[04:01]  * Chesamo blinks and looks at her hands. "FurNet? Why have you invaded my behavior on FreeNode?"
[04:02] <Phrea> ah, her no less, well, then I'm extra sorry
[04:02] <Phrea> [Snow - Informer]
[04:02]  * Chesamo wonders what the words inside the braces mean.
[04:03] <Phrea> oh, sorry, it's a song in this case :)
[04:03] <Phrea> I use brackets iso ()
[04:03] <Chesamo> Oh dear. A Now Playing script? I don't think we can be friends anymore.
[04:03] <Phrea> it's easier
[04:03] <Phrea> it's NOT a script
[04:03] <Phrea> I type that by hand, and hardly ever do
[04:03] <Phrea> but I like this song, so I thought I'd post it :)
[04:04] <Phrea> I HATE scripts of any kind
[04:04] <Phrea> grrrrr
[04:04] <Phrea> I ban people for using scripts :D
[04:04] <Phrea> gheh
[04:06] <Phrea> I use a scriptless Xchat
[07:06] <Akos> good morning team
[07:07] <ddecator> morning Akos
[11:57] <tdn> How do I automatically copy files from my CF-card into ~/incoming upon insertion?
[13:07] <ibuclaw> tdn, maybe an autorun.sh file in the top directory of the CF_card?
[13:07] <ibuclaw> idk ... that may only work for cdrom's
[13:14] <ibuclaw> tdn, yep, looks like that works for external storage too
[13:14] <ibuclaw> if you open gconf-editor (Press Alt+F2 and type that into the runbox)
[13:14] <ibuclaw> browse to: /apps/nautilus/preferences/media_automount
[13:14] <ibuclaw> and ensure it is checked
[13:15] <ibuclaw> then close and insert your CF-card
[13:15] <ibuclaw> open the folder location of it, and create a file named autorun.sh
[13:15] <mrxtian> how do people do the zoom in and out of a window when recording a screen cast is there something with more facilities than recordmydesktop? or is it an X/compbiz feature ?
[13:15] <ibuclaw> open it for editting, and put:
[13:15] <ibuclaw> #!/bin/sh
[13:16] <ibuclaw> followed by the scripting commands you will use to cp the data from one location to another.
[13:16] <ibuclaw> save, close, and ensure it is executable
[13:17] <ibuclaw> (Right Click -> Properties. Then under the Permissions tab)
[13:19] <ibuclaw> then unmount / remove and reinsert the CF-Card reader and it should prompt you that the device has software intended to be automatically started, just press OK to run it.
[13:19] <ibuclaw> tdn, ^^
[13:20] <ibuclaw> mrxtian, zoom in/out whilst the screencast is running ?
[13:21] <mrxtian> whilst recording
[13:21] <ibuclaw> I think recordmydesktop allows you to have a "select area" to record before starting.
[13:21] <mrxtian> yes
[13:21] <ibuclaw> if you are zooming in and out, sounds like compiz at work. ;)
[13:21] <mrxtian> arh
[13:22] <mrxtian> tks
[13:22] <ibuclaw> mrxtian, look for "Zoom Desktop" as a plugin, and I think it is Super+Mouse scroll to control it
[13:23] <ibuclaw> Super == WinKey (for the Unix illiterate ;)
[13:56] <Lady_Madonna> Not every keyboard has a windows key on it.... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1037731
[13:59] <ZachK_> welcome bilalakhtar
[14:00] <bilalakhtar> !welcome | ZachK_
[14:00] <bilalakhtar> huh? where is ubottu?
[14:00] <ZachK_> bilalakhtar, ah it only works if you have voice...which you don't
[14:01] <bilalakhtar> ZachK_: ohk. I just came here to help any beginners. As you can see, I am a debian mentor, so I am not a beginner to come here to ask questions !
[14:01] <ZachK_> very cool
[14:01] <ZachK_> welcome to the beginners team
[14:31] <LzrdKing> morning
[14:31] <Lady_Madonna> Hey CK
[16:31] <JoeK> Hi, what is the best Latex editor?
[16:33] <Chesamo> JoeK, that's a very subjective question. Graphical, command-line, what?
[16:34] <JoeK> graphical that can do e.g. tables easily, but also reveals the Latex code
[16:35] <Chesamo> JoeK: Something like gummi? http://www.ubuntugeek.com/gummi-simple-latex-editor-written-in-pythongtk.html
[16:35] <JoeK> sounds good, I will try it, thx
[21:29] <paultag> CONGRATS PabloRubianes!!!!!!!
[21:50]  * drubin missed something
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[00:01] <amurray> cjwatson: thanks for the background re signed commits - cheers
[02:19] <blahdeblah> amurray, cjwatson: Yeah - that was an interesting read.  Not sure how actionable it is, since so much seems to depend on the presentation of signed pushes & tags in the relevant UIs...


[06:32] <memguy> O i see /usr/src/linux-headers-3.13.0-32/include/uapi/linux corrosponds to /usr/include/linux directory
[06:32] <memguy> user space api
[06:37] <memguy> and for the kernel header download not much in any of those  directories other then  include or script directories everything else is left over Kconfig or Kbuild or Makefiles that where not stripped out with the .c files in all the folders
[06:38] <memguy> though there are a few py scripts in the tools subdirectories but thats about it
[06:42] <memguy> So the next step i think for me is to go thru all these header files in the include subdirectories as best i can  catting as many together to see if i can understand a 90 % chunk of the definitions and naming of things. The from there go to source code c files when need if an issue occurs.
[06:44] <memguy> Adding a .h or .c or a menuconfig option isn't so bad any more
[06:44] <memguy> to the linux source code
[07:07] <memguy> its totally do able leaving off the arch folder .h which are the macro or asm code for the different arch's that gcc embeds in when compiling most of the arch where written more as macro's the regular asm instructions probably to make it more portable doing alot of those ifdef ifndef checks to include the right asm for the arch when compiling
[07:08] <memguy> so its not as easy to get even if your pretty good with asm code you still have to be familar with the macro's so that may take a little while
[07:10] <memguy> thats if i was going for arch  porting but i like how if you leave off those arch specific things then the code is really totally distinct from an arch
[07:13] <memguy> And since the code is distinct from an arch at that level its not as difficult to imagine porting to a completely new arch would be just adding macro's and ifdef/ifndef definitions to the arch folder (obviously a little more difficult then that for sure)
[07:14] <memguy> Because one would need to know what arch files are important for adding a new arch on to and which ones are just helper asm .h files for a particular arch