[00:46]  * pleia2 settles in at ubuntu hour
[00:46] <pleia2> debian stickers came in on time for debian dinner later :D
[00:48] <pleia2> although, I am feeling a bit of an "if anyone comes" moment right now ;)
[00:48] <pleia2> paulproteus: coming out to the debian dinner tonight at 7? I have stickers!
[00:49] <pleia2> forgot squeeze and wheezy though, will have to run upstairs and get them at some point
[00:49] <pleia2> yay, michelle is here
[00:54] <paulproteus> pleia2: Oh *man* I can't make it tonight, but I will aim to in the future.
[00:54] <paulproteus> How long do you folks stay?
[00:54] <pleia2> 8:30 or 9
[00:54] <paulproteus> i.e., if I want to come for 30 min, can I come by at 9? (:
[00:54] <paulproteus> Interesting. Good to know.
[00:54] <pleia2> the restaurant closes at 9, so we are gone by then
[00:55] <paulproteus> Hah, okay (-:
[00:55]  * greg-g should get out to more of those, as well.
[00:57] <paulproteus> Oh, hi there (:
[01:00] <greg-g> ;)
[04:06] <philipballew_> pleia2, I like the Debian stickers you had.  I have to type 5 papers for my christian tradition class this weekend so I am outlining them tonight and was gonna do post meeting this thursday
[06:28] <pleia2> so much to do, good luck :)
[06:29] <philipballew> Thank you. When you have a lot of stuff to do, the best thing to do, is well... Just do it. Dont wait around because it wont do itself
[06:29] <philipballew> well thats my plan at least
[06:31] <pleia2> I also highly recommend taking naps
[06:31] <philipballew> I do that as well. a 30 minute power nap has never hurt anyone
[06:31] <pleia2> indeed!
[06:35]  * pleia2 sleep &
[06:43] <Swagbodian> hello filipballew
[06:43] <Swagbodian> im a new user
[06:43] <Swagbodian> any tips for meh?
[06:45] <Swagbodian> :(
[06:46] <philipballew> Swagbodian, sure! what areas would you like tips in?
[06:46] <philipballew> sorry, had to step away and make some soup
[06:46] <philipballew> this is irc, were not just always sitting here waiting to talk to someone
[06:46] <Swagbodian> haha i know
[06:47] <Swagbodian> ehh
[06:47] <Swagbodian> idk basics?
[06:47] <Swagbodian> like backtrack only works on linux not windowsz?
[06:47] <philipballew> backtrack is a linux distro
[06:48] <Swagbodian> distro?
[06:48] <philipballew> it doesnt work on linux as it is linux in many ways
[06:48] <philipballew> the same way ubuntu or debian or fedora is linux
[06:48] <Swagbodian> what does distro mean
[06:48] <Swagbodian> sorry im only 13
[06:48] <philipballew> distro is a operating system that uses linux as the heart of the system
[06:49] <philipballew> 13 is good.
[06:49] <Swagbodian> oh
[06:49] <philipballew> were always welcoming youth in to ubuntu
[06:49] <Swagbodian> so its a seperate type of linux iso?
[06:49] <Swagbodian> backtrack*
[06:49] <philipballew> backtrack is based off ubuntu?
[06:50] <philipballew> you wanna be a hacker I see?
[06:50] <Swagbodian> no
[06:50] <Swagbodian> i wanna be a anti hacker
[06:50] <Swagbodian> just gotta learn the basics. hopefully my future job as a cyberspace security
[06:50] <Swagbodian> i read that china is going to win the war
[06:50] <philipballew> war with who?
[06:51] <Swagbodian> against usa
[06:51] <Swagbodian> they say there is a lot of cyber warefare
[06:51] <philipballew> we go to war with china, we stop buying hot wheels. Now who's out of a job...
[06:51] <philipballew> but are you now running ubuntu?
[06:52] <Swagbodian> i just downloaded it.
[06:52] <Swagbodian> so after do i download back track?
[06:52] <philipballew> no, backtrack is a different distro
[06:52] <philipballew> there two different operating systems
[06:52] <Swagbodian> oh okay i see.
[06:52] <Swagbodian> thanx for the clarification
[06:53] <Swagbodian> hopefully i can get a job by 18
[06:53] <philipballew> Im a hacker
[06:53] <Swagbodian> oh rlly?
[06:53] <Swagbodian> im scared
[06:53] <gua> "distro" as in "distribution" generally means "linux-kernel-based OS". both distros and OSes are just a kernel plus a collection of tools.
[06:53] <Swagbodian> what is "kernel"
[06:53] <philipballew> you should be scared
[06:53] <gua> backtrack has a lot of penetration testing tools
[06:53] <Swagbodian> O.O
[06:53] <philipballew> its ubuntu based
[06:54] <Swagbodian> hold on
[06:54] <Swagbodian> lemme google what kernel means
[06:54] <gua> Swagbodian: the kernel is software that handles your devices directly. cpu, memory/ram, mouse, etc. a kernel is like a bunch of drivers stuck together.
[06:54]  * philipballew holds
[06:54] <gua> Swagbodian: googling is good too
[06:54] <philipballew> !kernel
[06:54] <Eureka> The core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - See also: /msg ubottu stages
[06:55] <philipballew> !backtrack
[06:55] <Eureka> Factoid backtrack not found
[06:55] <philipballew> well I tried...
[06:55] <Swagbodian> god this irc chat is all tons of priceless information
[06:55] <philipballew> actually it costs
[06:55] <gua> enough to lie for, enough to start fires for
[06:56] <philipballew> 20 bucks an hour, you have to mail me the money
[06:56] <gua> i'd actually like to understand cars as well as i understand computers
[06:56] <Swagbodian> haha
[06:56] <philipballew> Cars are fun to play with
[06:56] <Swagbodian> i work on cars with me popz
[06:56] <gua> just got a coolant leak and i'm at a loss how to fix it
[06:56] <gua> ;/
[06:56] <Swagbodian> google is your best friend dude
[06:56] <gua> so many hundreds to mechanics
[06:56] <gua> Swagbodian: well, i don't want to break anything
[06:57] <Swagbodian> if you can follow instructions
[06:57] <gua> computers you can reinstall. cars you have to be more careful
[06:57] <Swagbodian> nothing will be broken
[06:57] <Swagbodian> im pretty sure there are pretty clear pictures
[06:57] <Swagbodian> online that shows u how to do it
[06:57] <Swagbodian> or diagnose w.e
[06:57] <philipballew> Swagbodian, so you live in California I assume?
[06:57] <Swagbodian> yuppppppppppppppp
[06:57] <Swagbodian> lol no
[06:57] <Swagbodian> i have a car already
[06:57] <gua> yeah maybe. latest directions i heard were you hose down the car
[06:58] <Swagbodian> just drive illegally
[06:58] <Swagbodian> philip. what is a good website for noobie hackers such as myself
[06:58] <philipballew> Im a cop
[06:58] <Swagbodian> O.O
[06:58] <Swagbodian> lol
[06:58] <Swagbodian> your  scary dude
[06:58] <gua> you hose it down, then you wait for it to leak, then you look where white marks have been left
[06:59] <gua> Swagbodian: backtrack forums
[06:59] <philipballew>  the term hacker is misused these days
[06:59] <Swagbodian> hacker sounds scary
[06:59] <Swagbodian> reminds me of ANONYMOUSE
[06:59] <philipballew> Thats a problem
[06:59] <gua> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
[07:00] <philipballew> do you like reading Swagbodian ?
[07:00] <gua> Swagbodian: read that
[07:00] <Swagbodian> im a visual kid but i like to read interesting books
[07:00] <Swagbodian> okay ill read it
[07:00] <philipballew> I read a book once
[07:01] <Swagbodian> LOL you only read one book?
[07:01] <Swagbodian> how old r u?
[07:01] <philipballew> 20
[07:01] <philipballew> and I actually read a lot
[07:01] <gua> books are like webpages
[07:01] <Swagbodian> oh yeah
[07:02] <Swagbodian> like runescape
[07:02] <Swagbodian> xD
[07:02] <Swagbodian> wat sckool do u attend'?
[07:02] <philipballew> what makes you think I go to school?
[07:02] <gua> What school do you attend?*
[07:02] <Swagbodian> lik
[07:02] <Swagbodian> lol
[07:03] <Swagbodian> your 20
[07:03] <Swagbodian> arent people suppose to go to college?
[07:03] <philipballew> I go to school in San Diego
[07:03] <gua> when you go to the school, the school goes back to you
[07:04] <Swagbodian> gua how does that make sense?
[07:04] <Swagbodian> oh san diego state?
[07:04] <philipballew> Swagbodian, dont question gua
[07:04] <Swagbodian> my friends older brother goes there
[07:04] <Swagbodian> not a question
[07:04] <Swagbodian> confusion
[07:04] <Swagbodian> O.O
[07:05] <philipballew> gua, is really smart
[07:05] <Swagbodian> i know that's why i dont understand O.O
[07:07] <gua> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
[07:08] <philipballew> so what part of ca do you live in?
[07:08] <gua> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[07:09] <Swagbodian> i live in norcal
[07:09] <philipballew> nice! I grew up in Auburn
[07:10] <Swagbodian> oh i been there for church gathering its woody
[07:10] <philipballew> what church did you go to?
[07:10] <philipballew> its not that woody, but areas around it are
[07:11] <Swagbodian> united methodist
[07:11] <philipballew>  nice!
[07:11] <Swagbodian> man pretty interesting stuff im reading
[07:11]  * philipballew is off to bed
[20:42] <bkerensa> pleia2: Are you going to possibly make a openphoto account for Ubuntu CA?
[20:42] <bkerensa> :D
[20:43] <pleia2> bkerensa: once openphoto hooks in to all the tagging, grouping and other features we use to communicate with other teams on flickr, sure!
[20:43] <bkerensa> pleia2: I will ping you when it does... I have to go over our top feature requests with our lead dev tonight and turn them into wishlist items to work on
[20:43] <bkerensa> :D
[20:44] <bkerensa> I want shotwell support myself :P
[20:45] <pleia2> ubuntu pennsylvania still uses a gallery install, didn't go that route with california because 1) gallery2 mostly sucks :( 2) flickr has all the social tools and works with loco.ubuntu.com
[20:45] <pleia2> (we also considered picasa(|web))
[20:46] <bkerensa> pleia2: Well I think in the near future we will support auto-importing from Flickr/Picasa
[20:46] <pleia2> yeah, right now you have to do something crazy like dump from flickr to dropbox and import from there or something
[20:47] <pleia2> I went to a talk about it a couple months ago
[20:47] <bkerensa> pleia2: I am making a juju charm to deploy Openphoto in the cloud and also going to re-write a lot of our docs and perhaps improve the auto install scripts
[20:47] <bkerensa> :D
[20:47] <bkerensa> I leave the api monkeying for other people ;p
[20:48] <pleia2> juju isn't really my thing, I need rapid, reliable maintenance, not deployment ;)
[20:48]  * pleia2 doesn't do cloud-things yet
[20:48] <philipballew_> juju charms are interesting in some ways
[20:49] <bkerensa> juju charms are interesting when Canonical sends me $100 gift cards ;p
[20:49] <pleia2> lol
[20:49] <philipballew_> what language bkerensa do you write them in?
[20:50] <bkerensa> nah juju is fun... Kees Cook made a really cool sbuild charm which we used for Debian multi-arch stuffs
[20:50] <bkerensa> philipballew: any language you want
[20:50] <bkerensa> :D
[20:50] <bkerensa> juju charms can be written in almost any language... py, C#, ruby, php
[20:50] <bkerensa> bash script?
[20:50] <philipballew_> maybe bash, thats interesting
[20:51] <philipballew_> Id need to understand how juju charms work more before I understand how id write a charm
[20:51] <bkerensa> philipballew: they deploy cloud instances of your favorite apps and allow you to stack
[20:52] <bkerensa> so you can for instance use the apache, mysql and php charms as dependencies to deploy a "phpmyadmin charm"
[20:53] <bkerensa> like the openphoto charm I am going to write will use LAMP which saves me a lot of writing and then I just write hooks to install openphoto, config it in apache and start/stop/upgrade/expose
[20:53] <bkerensa> :D
[20:53] <philipballew_> I have looked into the cloud a few times, but whats the real difference between that and a vps?
[20:53] <philipballew_> because cant i just use a vps and lamp to run and webstuff anyway?
[20:55] <bkerensa> philipballew: VPS and Cloud's are the same thing physically in that they are isolated instances running on hardware
[20:55] <bkerensa> but a VPS is intended to host all or a good portion of the load
[20:55] <bkerensa> while Cloud is intended for bigger load balancing
[20:56] <bkerensa> Like a One VPS to run a site or two or three is normal but not 200 because of cost
[20:56] <philipballew_> so why would I want to use a cloud vs a vps?
[20:56] <bkerensa> philipballew: cost
[20:56] <bkerensa> VPSes are more expensive
[20:56] <pleia2> rapid deployment
[20:56] <bkerensa> for large deployments
[20:56] <bkerensa> and rapid ^
[20:57] <pleia2> more flexible scalability
[20:57] <bkerensa> pleia2 explains it much better then me :P
[20:57] <philipballew_> but if im just running say one website, I would want a vps, but if i have many things, a cloud is better?
[20:57] <bkerensa> VPS caters to people who dont quite need a Dedicated
[20:57] <pleia2> and most "cloud" offerings have swappable storage options, where VPSes really attempt to be "pretend like this is a colo box"
[20:57] <bkerensa> ^
[20:58] <pleia2> if you're just running a website you might just want a $5/mo account with dreamhost ;)
[20:58] <bkerensa> ugh
[20:58] <bkerensa> dreamhost hosts Ubuntu Oregon but imho I would likely not use them for a person site
[20:58] <bkerensa> personal*
[20:59] <pleia2> probably a bad example, but you don't need a whole linux box if you just need a single service
[20:59] <bkerensa> $19.95 for a Linode
[20:59] <philipballew_> I used to run it myself but then the place a was storing the desktop at found out I pluged it in and opened ports...
[20:59] <bkerensa> Use their stack scripts and you can have a Wordpress deployment in one click
[20:59] <philipballew_> my friend found a 5 dollar a month vps somewhere
[20:59] <philipballew_> okay, but not for anything major
[20:59] <bkerensa> philipballew: FDC Servers? :P
[21:00] <bkerensa> They charge about that with unlimited bandwidth (they oversell their pipes)
[21:00] <philipballew_> I need to look into that with the cloud
[21:00] <philipballew_> for a linux user/technology user, I am always behind with technology
[21:01] <philipballew_> My desktop is still a pentium 4
[21:02] <philipballew_> bkerensa, If i want to write charms, I need to have a cloud service paid for though. I am way to cheep for that.
[21:02] <bkerensa> philipballew: you can run juju in lxc
[21:02] <bkerensa> so you can run it off your desktop or laptop
[21:02] <bkerensa> for testing etc
[21:03] <philipballew_> yeah, but i need to have instances to test it with?
[21:03] <pleia2> http://askubuntu.com/questions/65359/how-do-i-configure-juju-for-local-usage still applicable?
[21:03] <pleia2> there are a few guides floating around
[21:04] <philipballew_> maybe a use for my old desktop running ubuntu server 10.04
[21:04] <pleia2> philipballew_: lxc is kind of a type of virtualization, you create a fake series of instances that believe they are all separate, and hook them together with juju
[21:04] <philipballew_> I need to upgrade that to 12.04
[21:04] <pleia2> yeah, 12.04 is a must for any of this stuff
[21:05] <philipballew_> hum. Something to add to my "summer projects"
[21:05] <bkerensa> philipballew: believe it or not I never even tested my charm :P
[21:05]  * pleia2 lunchtime
[21:05] <bkerensa> ding
[21:06] <bkerensa> Well I did a single time but mostly I just had the charmers team review and test it since they were the ones who wanted me to write it :P
[21:08]  * philipballew_ has sucky programing skills
[21:08] <philipballew_> well, thats only because I never take the time to debug
[21:09] <philipballew_> what ones have you wrote bkerensa ?
[21:10] <bkerensa> philipballew: I wrote Subway using very simple bash scripting http://jujucharms.com/charms/oneiric/subway
[21:10] <bkerensa> philipballew: although I hope to write my next (Openphoto charm) in Python or at least bits and pieces Python and the rest in Bash
[21:10] <bkerensa> :D
[21:10] <bkerensa> you can also mix languages
[21:10] <philipballew_> bkerensa, I really enjoy their five dollar footlongs
[21:11] <bkerensa> philipballew: I know right
[21:11] <bkerensa> :P
[21:11] <bkerensa> philipballew: if you write a charm you get a juju t-shirt and Ubuntu travel mug
[21:11] <bkerensa> and in some cases I think they might hold more juju charm contests http://cloud.ubuntu.com/2012/04/juju-charm-contest-winners/
[21:12] <philipballew_> there having a charm school this december about a half mile from my dorm here in San Diego
[21:12] <philipballew_> Im gonna go
[21:13]  * philipballew_ needs to figure out a way to sneak into it or something
[21:13] <philipballew_> there will be one at the uds I assume.
[21:38] <bkerensa> philipballew: I hope so.... so far there is really nothing on the UDS schedule
[21:38] <bkerensa> :D
[21:38] <bkerensa> and its just weeks away
[21:40] <philipballew_> yeah, I have SO much school to do before then, I finish school friday and uds starts monday
[21:40] <gua> a charm school sounds pretty neat. is there a list of planned charm schools?
[21:40] <philipballew_> somehow I need to figure out how to get there and drop off a car load of stuff in the meantime
[21:41] <philipballew_> gua, yeah!!!!
[21:41] <gua> i was just googling and only found the main wikipage for charmschools, listed some web seminars, but i didn't see upcoming ones
[21:42] <philipballew_> I think there is one in the bay area in june
[21:42] <philipballew_> and also maybe uds will have one
[21:43] <gua> ah that sounds good
[21:43] <philipballew_> Id look for you, but in about 2 minutes I have to go to class
[21:44]  * philipballew_ off to chem lab
[21:49] <bkerensa> gua: https://juju.ubuntu.com/Events
[22:24] <gua> ah thanks!


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[11:15] <Mirv> Saviq: it seems though rvr took your silo into testing first now
[11:16] <Saviq> hum
[11:16] <rvr> Is there any problem with it?
[11:16] <Saviq> didn't even know it got QA ready ;)
[11:17] <Saviq> rvr, no, but there's a conflict with https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2519
[11:17] <Mirv> rvr: no, we just assumed Saviq's landing was stuck and that you get to 2519 first. either wise, one of needs to rebuild qtmir afterwards.
[11:17] <Saviq> that one's xenial-only, though
[11:17] <Saviq> so I suppose it's better to get the one affecting zesty in, first
[11:17] <rvr> Mirv: Ok, I'll block 2519 until 2555 is approved
[11:17] <Mirv> rvr: thanks
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[11:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2621 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/ubuntu-system-settings). Successfully built (xenial/ubuntu-system-settings)
[11:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2623 Generating diffs
[11:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2624 Generating diffs
[11:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2623 Successfully built
[11:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2624 Pending binary packages
[11:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2373 Bad merges (zesty/qtmir). Failed to build (xenial/qtmir-gles). Failed to upload (xenial/qtmir, zesty/qtmir-gles). Pending binary packages (zesty/unity8). Successfully built (xenial/unity-api, xenial/unity8, zesty/unity-api)
[12:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh bfiller boiko, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2311 Failed to build (xenial/telepathy-qt, zesty/telepathy-qt). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/address-book-service). Successfully built (xenial/address-book-app, xenial/address-book-service, xenial/libircclient, xenial/messaging-app, xenial/messaging-framework, xenial/mfw-plugin-irc, zesty/address-book-app, zesty/libircclient, zesty/messaging-app, zesty/messaging-framework, ze
[12:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2624 Successfully built
[12:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2373 Bad merges (zesty/qtmir). Failed to build (xenial/qtmir-gles). Failed to upload (xenial/qtmir, zesty/qtmir-gles). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/unity8). Successfully built (xenial/unity-api, xenial/unity8, zesty/unity-api)
[12:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ahayzen, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2605 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/ubuntu-ui-extras). Pending binary packages (xenial/ubuntu-printing-app, zesty/ubuntu-printing-app). Successfully built (xenial/qtubuntu-print, xenial/ubuntu-ui-extras, zesty/qtubuntu-print)
[12:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- morphis, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2625 zesty/aethercast: Failed to commit https://git.launchpad.net/~rbalint/aethercast. You must supply either a Commit Message on your MP, or a custom debian/changelog entry
[12:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- morphis, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2625 Preparing packages
[12:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2381 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/ubuntu-ui-extras). Successfully built (xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/ubuntu-ui-extras, zesty/ubuntu-system-settings)
[12:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ahayzen, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2605 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/ubuntu-ui-extras). Successfully built (xenial/qtubuntu-print, xenial/ubuntu-printing-app, xenial/ubuntu-ui-extras, zesty/qtubuntu-print, zesty/ubuntu-printing-app)
[12:58] <oSoMoN> ubuntu-qa: please unblock the validation of silo 2615, the MR has been top-approved
[13:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- morphis, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2625 Failed to build
[13:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ltinkl, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2626 Preparing packages
[13:16] <jibel> oSoMoN, done
[13:16] <oSoMoN> thanks!
[13:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Mirv, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1949 Currently building (xenial/qtbase-opensource-src). Failed to build (xenial/qtdeclarative-opensource-src, xenial/qtdeclarative-opensource-src-gles). Successfully built (xenial/qtbase-opensource-src-gles, xenial/qtquickcontrols2-opensource-src)
[13:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ahayzen,jgdx, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2605 Preparing packages
[13:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2562 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/ubuntu-filemanager-app). Successfully built (xenial/ubuntu-filemanager-app)
[13:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ltinkl, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2626 Pending binary packages (zesty/qtmir). Successfully built (xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, zesty/qtmir-gles)
[13:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho tiagosh boiko, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2318 Preparing packages
[14:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko tiagosh renato, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2451 Bad merges (vivid/telephony-service). Needs rebuild due to new commits (vivid/address-book-app, vivid/dialer-app, vivid/history-service, vivid/messaging-app, vivid/messaging-framework, vivid/mfw-plugin-irc, vivid/ubuntu-system-settings). Successfully built (vivid/telepathy-ofono)
[14:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ltinkl, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2626 Successfully built
[14:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Mirv, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1949 Failed to build (xenial/qtdeclarative-opensource-src, xenial/qtdeclarative-opensource-src-gles). Successfully built (xenial/qtbase-opensource-src, xenial/qtbase-opensource-src-gles, xenial/qtquickcontrols2-opensource-src)
[14:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2562 Preparing packages
[14:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko tiagosh renato, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2451 Bad merges (vivid/history-service, vivid/telephony-service). Needs rebuild due to new commits (vivid/address-book-app, vivid/dialer-app, vivid/messaging-app, vivid/messaging-framework, vivid/mfw-plugin-irc, vivid/ubuntu-system-settings). Successfully built (vivid/telepathy-ofono)
[14:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2562 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/ubuntu-filemanager-app). Pending binary packages (xenial/ubuntu-filemanager-app)
[14:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh bfiller boiko, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2311 Failed to build (xenial/telepathy-qt, zesty/telepathy-qt). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/address-book-service, zesty/mfw-plugin-irc). Successfully built (xenial/address-book-app, xenial/address-book-service, xenial/libircclient, xenial/messaging-app, xenial/messaging-framework, xenial/mfw-plugin-irc, zesty/address-book-app, zesty/libircclient, zesty/messaging-app, zesty/m
[14:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho tiagosh boiko, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2318 Failed to build (xenial/history-service, zesty/telepathy-ofono, zesty/telephony-service). Successfully built (xenial/empathy, xenial/telepathy-mission-control-5, xenial/telepathy-ofono, xenial/telephony-service, zesty/empathy, zesty/history-service, zesty/telepathy-mission-control-5)
[14:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ahayzen jgdx, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2605 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/ubuntu-ui-extras). Successfully built (xenial/qtubuntu-print, xenial/ubuntu-printing-app, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/ubuntu-ui-extras, zesty/qtubuntu-print, zesty/ubuntu-printing-app, zesty/ubuntu-system-settings)
[14:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh bfiller boiko, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2311 Preparing packages
[14:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2562 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/ubuntu-filemanager-app). Successfully built (xenial/ubuntu-filemanager-app)
[15:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2562 Preparing packages
[15:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ahayzen jgdx, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2605 Preparing packages
[15:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2627 Preparing packages
[15:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2562 Pending binary packages
[15:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh bfiller boiko, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2311 Failed to build (xenial/telepathy-qt, zesty/telepathy-qt). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/address-book-service, zesty/messaging-app). Successfully built (xenial/address-book-app, xenial/address-book-service, xenial/libircclient, xenial/messaging-app, xenial/messaging-framework, xenial/mfw-plugin-irc, zesty/address-book-app, zesty/libircclient, zesty/messaging-framework, ze
[15:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2562 Failed to understand "https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/ubuntu-filemanager-app/rename_old_click/+merge/319493". Is it a merge?
[15:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2627 Successfully built
[15:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ahayzen jgdx, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2605 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/ubuntu-ui-extras). Successfully built (xenial/qtubuntu-print, xenial/ubuntu-printing-app, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/ubuntu-ui-extras, zesty/qtubuntu-print, zesty/ubuntu-printing-app, zesty/ubuntu-system-settings)
[16:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2381 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/ubuntu-system-settings, zesty/ubuntu-ui-extras). Successfully built (xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/ubuntu-ui-extras)
[16:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ahayzen jgdx, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2605 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/ubuntu-ui-extras). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/ubuntu-system-settings). Successfully built (xenial/qtubuntu-print, xenial/ubuntu-printing-app, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/ubuntu-ui-extras, zesty/qtubuntu-print, zesty/ubuntu-printing-app)
[16:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko tiagosh, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2283 Preparing packages
[16:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho tiagosh boiko, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2318 Failed to build (xenial/history-service, zesty/telepathy-ofono). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/telephony-service). Successfully built (xenial/empathy, xenial/telepathy-mission-control-5, xenial/telepathy-ofono, xenial/telephony-service, zesty/empathy, zesty/history-service, zesty/telepathy-mission-control-5)
[16:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jbicha, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2447 Needs rebuild due to new commits
[16:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko tiagosh renato, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2451 Bad merges (vivid/dialer-app, vivid/history-service, vivid/telephony-service). Needs rebuild due to new commits (vivid/address-book-app, vivid/messaging-app, vivid/messaging-framework, vivid/mfw-plugin-irc, vivid/ubuntu-system-settings). Successfully built (vivid/telepathy-ofono)
[16:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko tiagosh, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2283 Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-system-settings). Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination (zesty/ubuntu-system-settings). Successfully built (xenial/dialer-app, xenial/tone-generator, zesty/dialer-app, zesty/tone-generator)
[17:05] <dobey> kenvandine, mterry: could one of you hit https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=xenial&arch=i386&package=unity-scope-click&trigger=ubuntu-app-launch%2F0.11%2B16.04.20170321-0ubuntu1&ppa=ci-train-ppa-service%2Fstable-phone-overlay&ppa=ci-train-ppa-service%2F2577 please?
[17:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko tiagosh, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2283 Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-system-settings). Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination (zesty/ubuntu-system-settings). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/dialer-app). Successfully built (xenial/dialer-app, xenial/tone-generator, zesty/tone-generator)
[17:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ltinkl, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2626 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/qtmir). Successfully built (xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, zesty/qtmir-gles)
[17:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2562 Preparing packages
[17:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho tiagosh boiko, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2318 Failed to build (xenial/history-service, zesty/telepathy-ofono). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/history-service, zesty/telephony-service). Successfully built (xenial/empathy, xenial/telepathy-mission-control-5, xenial/telepathy-ofono, xenial/telephony-service, zesty/empathy, zesty/telepathy-mission-control-5)
[17:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2562 Successfully built
[17:57] <kenvandine> dobey, i did that earlier
[17:57] <kenvandine> dobey, they are done now
[17:57] <kenvandine> dobey, hopefully bileto realizes that soon :)
[17:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko tiagosh, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2283 Abandoning ticket
[17:59] <dobey> oh ok
[18:00] <dobey> well britney noticed
[18:00] <dobey> come on bileto
[18:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ahayzen jgdx, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2605 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/ubuntu-system-settings). Successfully built (xenial/qtubuntu-print, xenial/ubuntu-printing-app, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/ubuntu-ui-extras, zesty/qtubuntu-print, zesty/ubuntu-printing-app, zesty/ubuntu-ui-extras)
[18:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ahayzen jgdx, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2605 Preparing packages
[18:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2381 Bad merges (zesty/ubuntu-ui-extras). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/ubuntu-system-settings). Successfully built (xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/ubuntu-ui-extras)
[18:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg kenvandine pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2577 Preparing packages
[18:27] <kenvandine> dobey, it's now complaining about some indicators that don't have s390 binaries... i added no-change rebuilds for those to the silo
[18:28] <dobey> erg ok
[18:32] <dobey> kenvandine: approved them, hopefully it'll be happy now
[18:32] <kenvandine> dobey, thx
[18:32] <kenvandine> hopefully all of those land with branches to trunk... not from staging branches
[18:32] <kenvandine> i didn't actually check :)
[18:33] <dobey> they do
[18:36] <kenvandine> woot
[19:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg kenvandine pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2577 Failed to build (zesty/indicator-datetime). Pending binary packages (zesty/indicator-network). Successfully built (xenial/content-hub, xenial/indicator-bluetooth, xenial/indicator-datetime, xenial/indicator-network, xenial/indicator-power, xenial/libertine, xenial/ubuntu-app-launch, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/url-dispatcher, zesty/content-hub, zesty/indicator-blueto
[19:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ahayzen jgdx, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2605 Pending binary packages (xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, zesty/ubuntu-system-settings). Successfully built (xenial/qtubuntu-print, xenial/ubuntu-printing-app, xenial/ubuntu-ui-extras, zesty/qtubuntu-print, zesty/ubuntu-printing-app, zesty/ubuntu-ui-extras)
[19:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg kenvandine pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2577 Failed to build (zesty/indicator-datetime). Successfully built (xenial/content-hub, xenial/indicator-bluetooth, xenial/indicator-datetime, xenial/indicator-network, xenial/indicator-power, xenial/libertine, xenial/ubuntu-app-launch, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/url-dispatcher, zesty/content-hub, zesty/indicator-bluetooth, zesty/indicator-network, zesty/indicator-power
[19:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ahayzen jgdx, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2605 Successfully built
[19:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg kenvandine pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2577 Successfully built
[19:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jbicha, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2447 Preparing packages
[20:01] <jbicha> sil2100: rober_ancell approved both my mp's so I'll probably push 2447 to zesty once it rebuilds and I make sure Unity still works
[20:01] <sil2100> jbicha: ok then, I'll wait in that case and build a new silo on top of those
[20:01] <sil2100> I'm EOD now anyway so I wouldn't make it
[20:02] <jbicha> unless you want to take care of it tomorrow
[20:02] <jbicha> we're in beta freeze so it won't actually publish out of zesty-proposed today anyway
[20:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jbicha, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2447 Successfully built
[20:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2562 Preparing packages
[21:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2562 Successfully built
[21:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko tiagosh renato, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2451 Abandoning ticket
[21:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho tiagosh boiko, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2318 Failed to build (xenial/history-service). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/history-service, zesty/telepathy-ofono, zesty/telephony-service). Successfully built (xenial/empathy, xenial/telepathy-mission-control-5, xenial/telepathy-ofono, xenial/telephony-service, zesty/empathy, zesty/telepathy-mission-control-5)
[21:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh bfiller boiko, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2311 Failed to build (xenial/telepathy-qt, zesty/telepathy-qt). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/address-book-service, zesty/messaging-app, zesty/messaging-framework). Successfully built (xenial/address-book-app, xenial/address-book-service, xenial/libircclient, xenial/messaging-app, xenial/messaging-framework, xenial/mfw-plugin-irc, zesty/address-book-app, zesty/libircclient, ze
[21:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jbicha, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2447 Publishing packages
[21:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko tiagosh renato bfiller, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2629 Preparing packages
[21:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko tiagosh renato bfiller, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2629 zesty/mfw-plugin-irc: Failed to branch https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/mfw-plugin-irc/dummy-branch
[21:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko tiagosh renato bfiller, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2629 Preparing packages
[22:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jbicha, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2447 UNAPPROVED queue
[22:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko tiagosh renato bfiller, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2629 Currently building (xenial/dialer-app, xenial/history-service, xenial/messaging-framework, xenial/telepathy-ofono, xenial/telephony-service, zesty/history-service, zesty/messaging-framework, zesty/telepathy-ofono). Dependency wait (zesty/telephony-service). Failed to build (xenial/mfw-plugin-irc, zesty/mfw-plugin-irc). Pending binary packages (xenial/address-book-app, xenial
[22:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko tiagosh renato bfiller, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2629 Failed to build (xenial/mfw-plugin-irc, zesty/mfw-plugin-irc, zesty/telepathy-ofono, zesty/telephony-service). Pending binary packages (zesty/history-service, zesty/messaging-framework). Successfully built (xenial/address-book-app, xenial/address-book-service, xenial/dialer-app, xenial/history-service, xenial/messaging-framework, xenial/telepathy-ofono, xenial/telephony-serv
[22:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko tiagosh renato bfiller, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2629 Preparing packages
[23:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko tiagosh renato bfiller, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2629 Currently building (xenial/address-book-service, zesty/address-book-service, zesty/history-service). Dependency wait (zesty/telephony-service). Failed to build (xenial/telephony-service). Pending binary packages (zesty/messaging-app, zesty/messaging-framework, zesty/telepathy-ofono). Successfully built (xenial/address-book-app, xenial/dialer-app, xenial/history-service, xeni
[23:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko tiagosh renato bfiller, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2629 Dependency wait (zesty/telephony-service). Failed to build (xenial/telephony-service). Successfully built (xenial/address-book-app, xenial/address-book-service, xenial/dialer-app, xenial/history-service, xenial/messaging-app, xenial/messaging-framework, xenial/mfw-plugin-irc, xenial/telepathy-ofono, xenial/tone-generator, zesty/address-book-app, zesty/address-book-service, z
[23:46] <boiko> trainguards: could you please copy telepathy-qt and libircclient from silo 2311 to silo 2629?
[23:46] <boiko> trainguards: and also copy empathy and telepathy-mission-control-5 from silo 2318 to silo 2629?
[23:47] <robru> boiko: yeah one sec
[23:47] <boiko> robru: thanks!
[23:50] <robru> boiko: ok done, lemme know if https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/2629/+packages looks right


[12:09] <jetienne_> q. in a config script of a service, can i do "if this daemon crash or stop running, relaunch it" ? if so how ?
[12:22] <Stevee> just add a simple "respawn" to your job file
[12:31] <jetienne_> Stevee: thanks
[12:32] <Stevee> np


[18:47] <nneul> Is there any good solution for lightning plugin w/ thunderbird-next ppa? I always wind up having to go grab an arbitrary xpi download and edit/repack to mark it as compatible with v 55. Is there any better way?
[18:48] <nneul> All of the "official" beta builds identify as 54.x


[02:07] <smoser> zooz, still around ?
[02:15] <smoser> zooz, i merged your changes, with some of mine though.
[02:15] <smoser> some general things about datasources:
[02:16] <smoser> a.) don't say you're "found" if you're not sure
[02:16] <smoser> b.) WARN is annoying, and should only be used for something that the user really should see.
[02:21] <smoser> utlemming, ping
[05:15] <smoser> ok.
[05:15] <smoser> please , everyone test trunk
[05:15] <smoser> zooz for GCE
[05:16] <smoser> harlowja_away, for openstack
[05:16] <smoser> utlemming, for smartos
[07:12] <zooz> smoser, great. Thanks
[17:25] <harlowja_at_home> smoser: fyi, i'll be out till next thuresday (Skiinggg), don't think i let u know, but now am letting u know (just incase)
[17:28] <smoser> harlowja_away, have fun
[19:13] <smoser> harlowja_away, around ?
[19:13] <smoser> zooz, did you try on google compute?
[19:17] <zooz> smoser, yeah
[19:17] <zooz> it fails
[19:17] <smoser> boo
[19:17] <smoser> what'd i break?
[19:17] <smoser> i'm sorry for breaking it.
[19:17] <zooz> is_resolvable() fails
[19:17] <zooz> oh no, no worries
[19:17] <smoser> really?
[19:17] <smoser> you have an instance up now ?
[19:18] <zooz> yeah socket.getaddrinfo does take a hostname
[19:18] <smoser> you can 'ssh-import-id smoser' to let me in if you'd like.
[19:18] <zooz> you're giving it a URL instead of a hostname
[19:18] <zooz> sure, I can spin up a box on GCE for you
[19:18] <zooz> give me a sec
[19:19] <smoser> zooz, is_resolvable_url
[19:19] <smoser> is what it should have used.
[19:19] <smoser> can you test that really quick ?
[19:19] <zooz> sure
[19:19] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6932936/
[19:21] <zooz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6932940/
[19:21] <zooz> works now
[19:25] <smoser> zooz, you got that error ?
[19:25] <smoser> that shouldt be a warning.
[19:25] <smoser> hm..
[19:26] <zooz> user-data was not available
[19:26] <zooz> I just added user-data item and it does work now
[19:27] <zooz> so that warning is expected, unless it should use a different log level
[19:27] <smoser> yeah. thats what i meant.
[19:27] <smoser> generally i dont want WARN
[19:27] <smoser> as that goes to console
[19:27] <zooz> oh, OK, I was not aware of that
[19:27] <smoser> well, i did that one :)
[19:27] <zooz> it's easy to change it
[19:27] <smoser> but generally, WARN only things that really should be seen.
[19:28] <smoser> yeah, i'll fix that
[19:28] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6932974/
[19:29] <smoser> thanks.
[19:29] <zooz> smoser, can you give me your ssh public key?
[19:29] <smoser> oh
[19:29] <smoser> ssh-import-id
[19:29] <smoser> (ubuntu ?
[19:29] <zooz> no, fedora
[19:29] <smoser> its also in debian
[19:29] <smoser> oh for petes sake.
[19:30] <zooz> :-)
[19:30] <smoser> https://launchpad.net/%7Esmoser/+sshkeys
[19:30] <zooz> I am not a big fan of ubuntu :-)
[19:30] <smoser> ssh-import-id basically takes a launchpad (or github) username and does what you'd expect.
[19:30] <zooz> ah that's pretty cool
[19:31] <smoser> yeah, its extremely conveneint.
[19:32] <zooz> ssh -l fedora <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:32] <zooz> you'd have to scp the DataSourceGCE.py file over
[19:38] <zooz> smoser, I just added user-data item for you to test
[19:40] <smoser> zooz, actually, i'm good.
[19:40] <smoser> you can add or remove user-data ?
[19:40] <smoser> i guess they're just keys.
[19:40] <smoser> but you can add and remove them.
[19:40] <smoser> hm..
[19:40] <smoser> we shoudl think about that.
[19:40] <smoser> the other thing to think about, is doing base64 encoding in user-data
[19:40] <smoser> maybe useful, maybe not.
[19:41] <zooz> removed
[19:43] <smoser> zooz, ok. i'm done there. i just uploaded to ubuntu.
[19:43] <smoser> thanks.
[19:54] <zooz> cool thanks


[07:57] <emonkey> LjL, thank you for your Memo unfortunately I was not used to read them because I got not a hell of a lot messages. I think know I should have done all required things. Thank you very much for poking me about that and please feel free to contact me again if there are any questions.
[07:57] <emonkey> s/know/now/
[15:08] <mhzchile> hi you all
[15:10] <mhzchile> I have my nick (mhz) cloaked by Moin developers. However, the last 7 days I have tried to log to IRC and I have to do it using a diff nick (mhzchile) because someone is using "mhz". Anyways, I would like to have "mhz" (only mhz) cloaked by Ubuntu. Is that possible?
[15:10]  * mhzchile is Ubuntu Memeber
[15:11] <mhzchile> well, mhz is :)
[15:13] <LjL> mhzchile, you can get your nickname even if it's in use
[15:13] <LjL> mhz can be cloaked if you're an ubuntu member, but i don't think it's possible to keep the moinmoin cloak too on it
[15:15] <Pici> !ghost
[15:15] <ubotu> On IRC, if you own a nick that is currently being used, you can make it quit by typing: /msg nickserv GHOST <username> <password>
[15:16] <mhzchile> LjL: thx. Indeed, I understand I'd be giving up the Moin cloak, np. Regarding the other person using mhz, I pong him 30 mins ago, still no answer
[15:16] <Pici> mhzchile: see ubotu's message above.
[15:16] <LjL> then ghost them, it won't be the end of the world
[15:16] <mhzchile> ubotu: great. I was just waiting for a pong but yes...it's been too long now
[15:16] <LjL> they've been notified, after all, that the nickname they chose was already taken
[15:17]  * mhzchile ghosting then
[15:17] <LjL> mhz, please give me your Launchpad address, and make sure that you have an alternate nickname set up and linked to mhz, and an email address stored in NickServ (detailed instructions at  http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration )
[15:19] <mhz> LjL: thx, I will
[15:21] <mhz> in the meantime...which is the prefered policy? I gotta do something else now, so, should I change my nich to 'mhz_brb' or change status, or do nothing?
[15:35] <LjL> !away | mhz
[15:35] <ubotu> mhz: You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair to new users.  (Please set your preferred nick in your client's settings instead.)  The same goes for using noisy away messages; use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently.  See also «/msg ubotu Guidelines»
[15:36] <mhz> excellent policy (that's why I asked)
[15:37] <[NikO]> LjL, hi, perhaps this sort of message should be notice to the nick targeted ?
[15:37] <LjL> hm? not sure what you mean there
[15:38] <[NikO]> that s like flood chan i mean
[15:38] <[NikO]> when bot answer with big text on the channel
[15:38] <LjL> !away > [NikO]    ([NikO], see the private message from Ubotu)
[15:38] <LjL> if this had been #ubuntu, i'd have done it like this
[15:38] <[NikO]> better :)
[15:39] <LjL> !tell ljl about away
[15:39] <LjL> also works
[15:39] <[NikO]> ok
[15:39] <LjL> PriceChild, could you ubuntu/member/ cloak mhz please?
[15:39]  * PriceChild checks
[15:40] <PriceChild> mhz: do you want the ubuntu one instead of your moinmoin one?
[15:42] <mhz> yes, please, PriceChild (with some sorrow on the heart though...snif)
[15:42] <PriceChild> mhz: did you just register mhzchile?
[15:42] <mhz> yes, as alternate nick
[15:43] <PriceChild> mhz: you should link them /msg nickserv link mhzchile password
[15:43] <PriceChild> mhz: you already have an alternate nick btw, but you can have more than one if you want.
[15:44] <mhz> PriceChild: done
[15:45] <PriceChild> mhz: done
[15:46] <mhz> PriceChild: thanks a lot!
[15:52]  * jpatrick wonders why ubuntu/member/moinmoin.fan.mhz couldn't have been done
[15:54] <erUSUL> jpatrick: hi! is botijo still M.I.A. ? ;P
[15:57] <jpatrick> erUSUL: meh..
[15:57] <fetova> :(
[22:06] <heartsmagic> hello


[15:56]  * james_w waves
[15:57] <evand> hiya
[15:58]  * mterry waits until #startmeeting
[16:00] <cjwatson> hi
[16:01] <james_w> what's the main airport for Dallas?
[16:01] <james_w> Fort Worth?
[16:01] <robbiew> hello
[16:01] <robbiew> DFW
[16:01] <robbiew> #startmeeting
[16:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:01. The chair is robbiew.
[16:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:02]  * robbiew apologizes for no agenda...up past 4am working on xsplash bug :/
[16:02] <Keybuk> robbiew: congrats on the bug fix ;)
[16:02] <mterry> hello all
[16:03]  * robbiew has to keep is "street cred" with the developers from time to time ;)
[16:04] <cjwatson> ehlo
[16:04] <highvoltage> helo
[16:04] <robbiew> ok
[16:05] <robbiew> is slangasek off today?
[16:05]  * robbiew should probably know that :/
[16:06] <cjwatson> he was around earlier ...
[16:06] <robbiew> so what do we have scheduled for Beta release?
[16:06] <robbiew> anything slip out?
[16:06] <robbiew> feature wise
[16:06] <cjwatson> let's see, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic
[16:06] <doko__> hi
[16:07] <mterry> I think technically my 'oem-config improvements' spec slipped, but that was expected.  remaining work should be deferred
[16:07] <robbiew> eh...I don't count that ;)
[16:07] <cjwatson> boot performance; archive reorg; deb/rsync; kerneloops; oem-config; wubi updates
[16:07] <robbiew> I think BootPerf can be considered done
[16:07] <cjwatson> deb/rsync and wubi updates were deferred
[16:07] <robbiew> just fixing bugs now
[16:07] <robbiew> kerneloops is done
[16:07] <cjwatson> major change expected from archive reorg this cycle is done though we're still working on ongoing changes
[16:08] <robbiew> nice
[16:08] <Keybuk> I'm quite pleased with the SSD boot performance
[16:08] <cjwatson> mvo: more-robust-python-packaging, we should settle the status of that task on releasestatus/karmic one way or another
[16:08] <cjwatson> I think everything else is as out of the way as it's supposed to be
[16:09] <mvo> cjwatson: its partly done, party defered, I would lean toward defered
[16:09] <robbiew> james_w: are you expecting anymore progress with regard to Dist Dev or Daily Builds?
[16:09] <robbiew> or are we "done" for this cycle
[16:09]  * slangasek holds the network wires together with one hand and waves with the other
[16:09] <james_w> hopefully
[16:09] <robbiew> heh
[16:09] <james_w> nothing in the archive though
[16:09] <Keybuk> slangasek: I feel your pain
[16:10] <highvoltage> slangasek: isn't that what teeth are for?
[16:10] <robbiew> Keybuk: is the  Packaging and Upgrade Policy for Upstart stuff done?
[16:10] <Keybuk> robbiew: no
[16:10] <robbiew> will it be for 9.10 :P
[16:10] <Keybuk> probably not ;)
[16:10] <Keybuk> because it'd be changed again by 10.04 :P
[16:11] <robbiew> heh
[16:11] <robbiew> ok...will defer
[16:11] <robbiew> [ACTION] robbiew to defer Packaging and Upgrade Policy for Upstart
[16:11] <MootBot> ACTION received:  robbiew to defer Packaging and Upgrade Policy for Upstart
[16:12] <robbiew> and where are we at with bug 432089
[16:13] <robbiew> Keybuk: ^
[16:13] <Keybuk> deferred
[16:14] <Keybuk> cf. my comment there
[16:14] <cjwatson> well, deferred though substantially improved, right ...
[16:14] <cjwatson> (door)
[16:14] <Keybuk> the deadline scheduler change does certainly improve it
[16:14] <Keybuk> amongst other things
[16:14] <Keybuk> the real problem is that HDD performance optimisation is *hard*
[16:14] <Keybuk> sreadahead is "at least as good" as readahead-list on HDD
[16:14] <Keybuk> though I wouldn't use the word "good" there
[16:15] <robbiew> okay
[16:15] <robbiew> my main fear was regressing people with HDDs
[16:15] <robbiew> if we can say we haven't done that...then I'm okay
[16:15] <Keybuk> I've not seen any evidence that it's worse
[16:16] <robbiew> yeah...there's the usual "stories" of people claiming slowness
[16:16] <robbiew> but without bootcharts to back it up...nothing we can do
[16:17] <Keybuk> indeed
[16:17] <Keybuk> and yes, jaunty boots faster
[16:17] <Keybuk> but jaunty did not have couch potato based fat bastard db
[16:17] <robbiew> lol
[16:17] <robbiew> I thought they were fixing that
[16:17] <robbiew> slangasek: did you get any late fixes around couch?
[16:17] <robbiew> for beta?
[16:17] <james_w> system daemon, or per-user?
[16:19] <james_w> I believe the default install no longer starts the former
[16:19] <slangasek> robbiew: there were some uploads, but they arrived late in the beta freeze with nothing I could see that was beta-critical
[16:20] <slangasek> (in fact, the one bug report that was being tracked was a non-bug)
[16:20] <robbiew> nice
[16:20] <robbiew> ok
[16:20] <james_w> the previous upload was the one that was supposed to fix that
[16:20] <slangasek> so those are in the queue and will be released post-beta
[16:20] <robbiew> james_w: so I shouldn't see couchdb start at all? or does it start after user-login?
[16:21] <james_w> robbiew: it will start in your session if something uses it
[16:21]  * slangasek nods
[16:21] <james_w> but perhaps the fix for the system daemon was incomplete
[16:22] <robbiew> hmmm
[16:23] <slangasek> "perhaps"?
[16:23]  * Keybuk hasn't looked in the last week
[16:24] <james_w> just hypothesising, I believe the system daemon shouldn't start on the beta images
[16:24] <Keybuk> it doesn
[16:24] <Keybuk> argh US keyboard
[16:24] <Keybuk> it doesn't look like it started on this
[16:25] <robbiew> ok
[16:26] <robbiew> cjwatson: so are we looking better for the cloud installer stuff
[16:26]  * robbiew backs away to avoid a swing by cjwatson :P
[16:27] <cjwatson> there are some startup race difficulties at the moment, which ttx and kirkland are working
[16:27] <cjwatson> and Keybuk commented on a short while ago in #ubuntu-devel
[16:27] <cjwatson> the installer as such seems to be largely OK no
[16:27] <cjwatson> w
[16:28] <cjwatson> it's eucalyptus itself and its startup that are busted
[16:28] <robbiew> right...I saw that, thanks
[16:28] <Keybuk> yeah, and the eucalyptus scripts are doing strange things that I don't even know the behaviour of ;)
[16:29] <cjwatson> what was strange about eucalyptus-cloud BTW?
[16:29] <cjwatson> just the timeout?
[16:29] <Keybuk> it uses a post-start script
[16:29] <cjwatson> I already suggested to mdz that that should use respawn limit
[16:29] <Keybuk> without any main process, etc.
[16:29] <Keybuk> I'm not even sure that works
[16:29] <cjwatson> Keybuk: I commented on that yesterday, and ion immediately said it worked
[16:29] <cjwatson> or was supposed to
[16:29] <Keybuk> and I'm certainly not sure of upstart's behaviour when it exits ;)
[16:29] <cjwatson> now, he might have been wrong, I didn't check further after that
[16:30] <Keybuk> since there are bugs in RECENT upstart history which resulted in a kernel panic when using post-start, it's not very well tested code <g>
[16:30] <cjwatson> hah
[16:30] <Keybuk> why is it post-start anyway?
[16:30] <cjwatson> poke ion for me, then ;)
[16:30] <Keybuk> I couldn't find any reason why it shouldn't be pre-start
[16:31] <Keybuk> in fact, if you don't have a main process, there really isn't much difference between pre-start and post-start
[16:31] <cjwatson> I don't know of a good reason for that, no
[16:31] <cjwatson> mdz just said "it worked for me" when I asked about it
[16:31] <Keybuk> :D
[16:32] <Keybuk> I guess I need someone to explain to me what they're trying to do
[16:32] <kirkland> Keybuk: cjwatson: if it helps, i have the precise order that the scripts should run, according to nurmi
[16:33] <Keybuk> kirkland: that would help
[16:33] <robbiew> ok...I don't have anything else
[16:33] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Good News?
[16:33] <MootBot> New Topic:  Good News?
[16:34]  * robbiew can still use gdb :P
[16:34] <Keybuk> I inadvertently tested the GRUB2 menu on recovery feature
[16:34] <Keybuk> and it worked
[16:34] <liw> my home file server's 8 hard disks and SATA controller haven't totally failed yet!
[16:34] <Keybuk> "oh, that's odd, I got the GRUB menu ... ah, it failed to boot"
[16:34] <robbiew> heh
[16:34] <cjwatson> Keybuk: (might be nice if it told you why it was showing the grub menu, but I haven't figured out how yet ...)
[16:34] <mterry> Ah, is that why I've been given the grub menu?  :)
[16:34] <mterry> I thought the timeout got removed somehow
[16:35] <cjwatson> I think I nailed about 75% of the remaining clock handling bugs in the installer
[16:35] <Keybuk> yeah
[16:35] <cjwatson> this is your weekly dose of extremely qualified good news
[16:35] <Keybuk> sadly the reason I failed to boot was one of the other 25% :)
[16:35] <cjwatson> Keybuk: hmm?
[16:35] <Keybuk> I actually, genuinely, think there might be another ext4 bug here
[16:35] <Keybuk> it doesn't look like it updates the last mount time timestamp when you *unmount*
[16:36] <Keybuk> so if you boot with a fast clock
[16:36] <mvo> I managed to spend time on something other than softtware-center last week
[16:36] <Keybuk> and ntpdate fixes it
[16:36] <cjwatson> I also have plans to actively compare NTP with the hardware clock + timezone, and try to guess better
[16:36] <Keybuk> then on shutdown we fix the hardware clock to be right
[16:36] <robbiew> mvo: \o/
[16:36] <Keybuk> but unmounting the ext4 filesystem doesn't fix that
[16:36] <Keybuk> so you reboot with a mount time in the future
[16:36] <cjwatson> but ext4 is bug-free!
[16:36] <cjwatson> ahem
[16:36] <kirkland> Keybuk: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/282246/
[16:37] <Amaranth> mvo: now you can help with compiz stuff instead ;)
[16:37] <slangasek> good news: I can almost make nfs-common start via upstart
[16:37] <slangasek> stopping is another matter
[16:37] <mterry> heh
[16:37] <mvo> Amaranth: heh :)
[16:37] <robbiew> Amaranth: uh...no
[16:38] <Keybuk> kirkland: right
[16:38] <Keybuk> if they're supposed to run in series, these conf files won't do that :p
[16:38] <Keybuk> slangasek: hmm?
[16:38] <slangasek> Keybuk: I was prodding at bug #431248... did you not get my voicemail? :)
[16:39] <Keybuk> I don't have voicemail?
[16:39]  * Keybuk turned it off
[16:39] <slangasek> oh cool
[16:39] <james_w> kayak.co.uk makes looking for flights significantly less painful
[16:39] <Keybuk> the trick to those is to break nfs-common into lots of different conf files
[16:39] <Keybuk> thus /etc/init/rpc.statd.conf
[16:39] <slangasek> too bad the message isn't turned off, inviting me to leave one :P
[16:39] <Keybuk> etc.
[16:39] <slangasek> Keybuk: yes, I'm aware
[16:39] <slangasek> :)
[16:39] <slangasek> it's slow going though, to keep my eyes from bleeding too much
[16:40] <slangasek> (from the existing nfs-common code)
[16:40] <kirkland> Keybuk: well, theoretically some of these can run in parallel, but the euca guys aren't comfortable with that; they've long trusted their series of init scripts
[16:40] <robbiew> okay...I think we're done.  Don't forget to setup your travel for the release sprint (if you are attending) and UDS
[16:40] <robbiew> #endmeeting
[16:40] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:40.
[16:40] <liw> slangasek, ifyou turn off your monitor, your eyes will bleed less
[16:40] <slangasek> thanks
[16:40] <Keybuk> kirkland: OOI, why was this converted to Upstart?
[16:41] <james_w> thanks all
[16:41] <liw> muchas gracias
[16:41] <mvo> thanks
[16:41] <kirkland> Keybuk: i expected to convert to upstart for Lucid, mdz decided to do it immediately
[16:41] <mterry> ta
[16:42] <kirkland> Keybuk: i'm not positive of his rationale, but i suspect it's something along the lines of "those init scripts were an absolute mess"
[16:42] <kirkland> Keybuk: and that we thought we could enforce the dependencies better using upstart
[17:59]  * fader_ waves.
[18:00] <marjo> #startmeeting
[18:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:00. The chair is marjo.
[18:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[18:00] <marjo> Hi folks!
[18:00] <marjo> QA Team Meeting Agenda
[18:00] <davmor2> hello
[18:00] <marjo> Agenda:
[18:00] <marjo>     * SRU testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie)
[18:00] <marjo>     * Bugday highlights -- bdmurray (Brian Murray)
[18:00] <pedro_> hola!
[18:00] <marjo> Are there any new topics you want to add to the agenda?
[18:01] <sbeattie> *cough* beta testing *cough*
[18:01] <marjo> ah, but of course!
[18:01] <davmor2> just don't mention wubi
[18:01] <marjo> ouch
[18:02] <fader_> Wubi?  Never heard of it O:-)
[18:02] <pedro_> heh
[18:02] <marjo> #topic SRU Testing - sbeattie
[18:02] <marjo> [TOPIC] SRU Testing
[18:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  SRU Testing
[18:02] <sbeattie> SRU Activity for the past week (since 2009-09-16):
[18:02] <sbeattie> * Jaunty: 5 new packages in -proposed (apport, dbconfig-common, language-packs, net-snmp, pythonmagick) and 8 packages pushed to -updates (apport, dbconfig-common, firefox-3.5, gitosis, kdenetwork, linux, opencity, xulrunner-1.9.1)
[18:02] <sbeattie> * Intrepid: 1 new package in -proposed (net-snmp) and no packages pushed to -updates
[18:02] <sbeattie> * Hardy: 1 new package in -proposed (net-snmp) and 1 package pushed to -updates (linux-ubuntu-modules)
[18:02] <sbeattie> * Dapper: no changes this week
[18:03] <sbeattie> sorry, since 2009-09-23
[18:03] <sbeattie> Thanks to Alok Kataria, A. Karl Kornel, Pascal DANEK, stgraber, and Jeremy Wilkins for testing SRU packages this week.
[18:04] <marjo> sbeattie: anything else?
[18:04] <sbeattie> That's it for SRUs this week.
[18:04] <marjo> thx
[18:05] <marjo> [TOPIC] Bugday highlights -- bdmurray
[18:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Bugday highlights -- bdmurray
[18:05] <bdmurray> I think that agenda item is stale / left-over from last week's meeting.
[18:05] <marjo> oops, sorry
[18:05] <bdmurray> No problem, I should have looked at it in advance too.
[18:05] <marjo> ara: are you able to give Beta status?
[18:06] <marjo> [TOPIC] Karmic Beta Testing Status
[18:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Karmic Beta Testing Status
[18:06] <ara> yes, the server is a bit slow now, as it has been respun a couple of times due to a UEC bug
[18:06] <ara> but the rest is looking good
[18:06] <marjo> Yeah!
[18:07] <ara> we shouldn't expect (finger x'ed) another respin
[18:07] <ara> but we do need help in testing the untested test cases
[18:07] <ara> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build//inprogress
[18:07] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build//inprogress
[18:07] <marjo> ara: is it true only moblin remix is untested!?
[18:07] <ara> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/untested
[18:07] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/untested
[18:07] <ara> marjo, no, wrong link
[18:08] <ara> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/inprogress
[18:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/inprogress
[18:08] <ara> those two
[18:08] <marjo> ah, got it!
[18:08] <fader_> FYI I'm pulling down the kubuntu DVD now and will start on some of those tests shortly
[18:08] <fader_> *amd64
[18:08] <marjo> Folks: Can anyone on the meeting help out?
[18:08]  * pedro_ starts to sync ubuntu studio i386
[18:09] <cr3> marjo: I'll make sure automated testing is poised for tomorrow
[18:09] <marjo> fader, pedro, cr3: thx!
[18:09] <fader_> ^^ And I plan to head into Lexington tomorrow to hit the netbooks there :)
[18:09]  * sbeattie is working on xubuntu and ubuntu-server upgrade tests
[18:09] <davmor2> I'm about to have tea then kill the last of the ubuntu alternate tests.  Then kill edubuntu then whatever is left
[18:09] <marjo> looking forward to good beta test coverage
[18:10] <marjo> sbeattie, fader: thx
[18:10] <marjo> davmor2: great!
[18:10] <marjo> any ideas on how to get upgrade coverage?
[18:11] <sbeattie> that's what I'm working on
[18:11] <marjo> thx!
[18:11] <davmor2> marjo: edubuntu is being respun to kill sbeatties bug
[18:11] <davmor2> looks like it was just a seed issue
[18:12] <marjo> davmor2: yes, as you suspected
[18:12] <marjo> or hoped for
[18:12]  * Riddell hugs fader_
[18:12] <marjo> ara: if everyone does what they just said, what would be left uncovered?
[18:12] <fader_> :D
[18:13] <ara> well, upgrades needs more people, I guess
[18:13] <marjo> sbeattie: how much of the upgades list can you cover?
[18:14] <marjo> download info Upgrade Edubuntu amd64 (20090929)  	0/1
[18:14] <marjo> download info Upgrade Edubuntu i386 (20090929) 	0/1
[18:14] <marjo> download info Upgrade Kubuntu amd64 (20090929) 	0/1
[18:14] <marjo> download info Upgrade Ubuntu Server amd64 (20090930) 	0/1
[18:14] <marjo> download info Upgrade Xubuntu amd64 (20090929) 	0/1
[18:14] <marjo> download info Upgrade Xubuntu i386 (20090929) 	0/1
[18:14] <ara> marjo, and also, when edubuntu is done, we need to retest
[18:14] <sbeattie> marjo: I'm working on 3 of those 6 right now, will move to other 3 when I'm finished with these.
[18:15] <marjo> sbeattie: nice!
[18:15] <fader_> sbeattie: Out of curiosity, do you have images of previous installs handy that you might be able to share?
[18:15] <fader_> E.g. put on a server somewhere?
[18:15] <fader_> (I'm assuming you're using virtualization for the upgrade testing)
[18:15] <sbeattie> fader_: not... easily. my outbound bandwidth is pretty slow.
[18:16] <fader_> sbeattie: Okay, I thought that might be the case but it didn't hurt to ask :)
[18:16] <marjo> ara: any ideas for edubuntu DVD amd64? i don't see a subscriber to it
[18:17] <fader_> marjo: I will grab that one if nobody else does by the time I finish the kubuntu DVD
[18:17] <marjo> fader_: thx!
[18:17] <ara> fader_, nice
[18:18] <marjo> so, does that mean all is covered?!
[18:18] <marjo> that would be great, after edubuntu is respun
[18:19] <marjo> all: can you please go ahead and subscribe so that the subscription summary is updated?
[18:19] <marjo> thx
[18:20] <ara> for RC it will be nice to have more people on the platform team testing
[18:20] <fader_> marjo: FYI, the subscriptions go past the immediate testing run and indicate that you're interested in testing every new spin of an image.  I don't mind testing any of them but it might be a good idea to try to find people who use Edubuntu regularly to help test it, for example
[18:20] <marjo> ara: i agree; let's work on that
[18:20] <fader_> I do try to grab images that haven't been tested even if I'm not subscribed
[18:20] <marjo> fader_ : oic
[18:21] <ara> fader_, yes, I think that's what most of us do
[18:21] <fader_> ara: Indeed, I didn't mean to imply that it was just me ;)
[18:21] <ara> fader_, I know :D
[18:21] <cr3> aren't people on the platform team busy frantically fixing bugs, or are there so few bugs that they really have spare cycles for testing?
[18:21] <marjo> fader_ : yes, that's one of the things ara is working on - recruiting regular testers
[18:22] <marjo> cr3: the idea is to get more coverage by folks who know and use the product well
[18:22] <ara> cr3, one test case per person per milestone is achievable, I think
[18:22] <marjo> but in general, the more the better and merrier
[18:23] <ara> cr3, we are about 80 people in the platform team
[18:24] <cr3> marjo: I would suspect that the coverage you speak of is already done before pushing a new package to the repository
[18:25] <marjo> cr3: you're right, but I'm thinking more of "test coverage" as in hitting all the cases called out in the iso tracker
[18:25] <cr3> ara: will we be assigning specific cases to members of the platform team or will they pick cases according to their expertise?
[18:25] <cr3> ara: nevermind, "iso tracker" comment by marjo answers my question :)
[18:26] <ara> cr3, I think that the pick what's untested in the iso tracker is a good strategy
[18:26] <marjo> currently there are 7 red bugs showing
[18:27] <marjo> according to davmor2, https://bugs.launchpad.net/wubi/+bug/439279 is being worked
[18:28] <marjo> davmor2: sorry, i had to mention wubi
[18:28] <marjo> any new status on the other 6?
[18:29] <ara> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/431206 is already milestoned by the mobile team
[18:30] <marjo> ok, folks, anything else on Beta?
[18:31] <marjo> imho, it's looking pretty good, no?
[18:31] <marjo> any other topics for today?
[18:32] <marjo> ok, if nothing else, i propose we adjourn
[18:32] <marjo> thx to all and good luck for Beta release!
[18:32] <marjo> #endmeeting
[18:32] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:32.
[18:32] <fader_> Thanks everyone
[18:33] <pedro_> thanks
[18:49] <katu> Hi, I have a question about the upcoming jams. I'm a programmer and ubuntu user, but haven't done any particularly ubuntu-specific work - is there anything it would be useful to do to prepare for the jam and increase the odds I can do something useful there?


[07:06] <Ashish_newbee> Hi all..
[07:06] <Ashish_newbee> This is ashish
[07:07] <Ashish_newbee> I have just started using ubuntu
[07:07] <persia> Ashish_newbee, Welcome.
[07:07] <Ashish_newbee> thanks...Persia
[07:08] <Ashish_newbee> now I wish, if i could contribute to make it better...........
[07:08] <Ashish_newbee> can you tell me how to I enroll myself for the QA team
[07:08] <Ashish_newbee> Thanks,   in advance..
[07:09] <persia> My recommendation is always just to start doing, and let team membership come to you, rather than trying to join teams first.
[07:09] <persia> If you're up for testing, take a look at some of the links in the topic.  There is always a demand for more testers, and it's a great way to help.
[07:09] <Ashish_newbee> ohh....can i start like that...???
[07:10] <Ashish_newbee> alright..if I can start without Enrollment.....I don't mind doing that...
[07:10] <Ashish_newbee> thanks....Persia
[07:11] <persia> It's probably useful to sign up for accounts in a few places.  You'll want a launchpad account, and a QA account, but that's all stuff you can do yourself.
[07:11] <persia> It's also worth subscribing to some mailing lists, to help keep informed about stuff.
[07:12] <persia> But beyond that, it's mostly a matter of digging in.
[07:12] <Ashish_newbee> ohh..yeah...
[18:02] <fader> eeejay: Around?
[18:02] <eeejay> hey fader
[18:02] <fader> eeejay: Howdy.  Want to jump on a phone call? :)
[18:02] <eeejay> fader, sure!
[19:05] <juanje> hi
[19:06] <juanje> anyone knows why the TopPanel doens't show up to the ldtp?
[19:07] <juanje> I see the rest of the apps, but not the gnome-panel
[19:07] <nagappan> juanje, I could see them
[19:07] <juanje> ummm
[19:07] <nagappan> juanje, could you please get me the output of getwindowlist()
[19:07] <nagappan> juanje, and getapplist() ?
[19:08] <juanje> one moment
[19:08] <juanje> In [9]: ldtp.getapplist()
[19:08] <juanje> Out[9]: [u'epiphany-browser', u'gwibber', u'pidgin']
[19:08] <juanje> In [10]: ldtp.getwindowlist()
[19:08] <juanje> Out[10]:
[19:08] <juanje> [u'frm#ubuntu-testing',
[19:08] <juanje>  u'frmBuddyList',
[19:08] <juanje>  u'frmBug588158-guagua(bus)brokeatgcdstrip(general)',
[19:08] <juanje>  u'frmGwibber',
[19:08] <juanje>  u'frmFrontPage-mago.ubuntu.com']
[19:09] <nagappan> juanje, guess after enabling accessibility, you haven't logged out and logged in once ?
[19:09] <juanje> I did
[19:09] <juanje> few times
[19:09] <nagappan> juanje, oops :)
[19:09] <juanje> I've even rebooted
[19:09] <nagappan> juanje, wow !
[19:09] <nagappan> juanje, I'm not sure then
[19:09] <nagappan> juanje, which Ubuntu version you are using ?
[19:09] <juanje> that's why it seems so weird for me
[19:09] <nagappan> juanje, I'm using 9.04 32-bit
[19:09] <juanje> jaunty
[19:10] <juanje> nagappan: the same
[19:10] <nagappan> juanje, next try, could you see gnome-panel in accerciser ?
[19:10] <juanje> nope
[19:11] <juanje> I've tried as well
[19:11] <juanje> it shows the same than ldtp
[19:11] <juanje> nagappan: thanks, anyway, I'll keep trying. I have to deconect :-/
[19:11] <nagappan> juanje, I think the issue is in your gnome-panel accessibility related setup, not sure, whom to ping
[19:12] <nagappan> juanje, sure
[19:12] <juanje> nagappan: ummmm.... I'll search about it. Thanks
[19:12] <juanje> bye
[19:13] <nagappan> juanje, bye
[23:29] <davmor2> sbeattie: are you about at all?
[23:29] <sbeattie> davmor2: I am, what's up?
[23:30] <davmor2> do you by any chance have a spare box with an nvidia gfx chip in it?
[23:31] <sbeattie> I do, but it's a positively ancient nvidia card.
[23:32] <sbeattie> so it may or may not be a valid test environment. What issue are you looking at?
[23:32] <davmor2> sbeattie: the nvidia drivers in hardy .3 seem to only display at 640X480 or 320x240  I just need to know if there are others or if it's my card not being supported, but as the compiz is working I thought it was.
[23:33] <davmor2> snazzy effects don't look so snazzy with that poorer resolution