[08:05] <sil2100> jibel, Mirv, davmor2: you guys want to have the meeting today? ;)
[08:06] <jibel> sil2100, no
[08:06] <jibel> good morning :)
[08:09] <sil2100> Morning!
[08:10] <sil2100> Mirv: anything to discuss from your side?
[08:13] <Mirv> sil2100: nothing in particular. seeing you folks is nice of course, but if there's nothing to discuss... :)
[08:32] <oSoMoN> trainguards: can the i386 and amd64 builds of webbrowser-app be re-tried in silo 46 (for both series) ?
[08:32] <sil2100> oSoMoN: sure
[08:32] <oSoMoN> thanks!
[08:33] <oSoMoN> jibel, I’m rebuilding silo 46 with an additional bug fix, it is currently marked as ready for QA in the trello board but I’ll need to revalidate it quickly before it’s actually ready
[08:33] <jibel> oSoMoN, okay, just add a comment on the card
[08:33] <sil2100> Done
[08:33] <oSoMoN> ok
[08:34] <jibel> oSoMoN, otherwise, remove the status "ready for QA" in bileto and a card will be recreated when you change it to ready again
[08:35] <oSoMoN> jibel, I just added a comment, hopefully this will be quick enough that it isn’t picked up by a QE in the meantime anyway
[08:35] <oSoMoN> if it turned out to be more time-consuming than I expected, I’d update the status in bileto
[09:04] <Mirv> oSoMoN: looks ok now, I'm running watch_only on 46
[09:06] <oSoMoN> Mirv, thanks
[09:14] <jibel> sil2100, does phablet-tools has to land in the overlay, shouldn't it be an SRU in vivid?
[09:14] <jibel> sil2100, silo 51
[09:14] <jibel> for reference
[09:20] <sil2100> jibel: from what I know we had a discussion where phablet-tools should be landing
[09:23] <jibel> sil2100, and the conclusion was to land in the overlay,
[09:23] <jibel> s/,/?/
[09:33] <Mirv> jibel: + SDK PPA copy after that, me/bzoltan can handle that
[09:36] <jibel> Mirv, my question was more how do we decide if a package not seeded on the phone goes to the overlay or should be an SRU? in this case phablet-tools.
[09:39] <Mirv> jibel: good questoon... SRU would be the best, although fpr dev tools SDK PPA os just as fine. overlay is unneeded for phablet-tools really, could be just wily too.
[09:40] <Mirv> -typos, walking to lunch. damn ubuntu-keyboard! :)
[09:42] <jibel> morphis, ^ about silo 51. you can land in wily and the SDK PPA. unless there is a reason I miss to land it in the overlay too.
[09:42] <morphis> jibel: ok
[09:42] <morphis> jibel: I think overlay isn't needed
[10:24] <Mirv> morphis: do you want to still do something with 051 or should it be published?
[10:25] <morphis> Mirv: no, can be published
[10:25] <Mirv> morphis: ok, I'll just modify it to be wily only
[10:25] <morphis> Mirv: great
[10:27] <Mirv> morphis: nice fixes, appreciated!
[10:27] <Mirv> and thanks to QA too
[10:28] <morphis> Mirv: yeah, was really time to get this tool improved
[10:40] <oSoMoN> jibel, FYI, silo 46 is now ready for QA validation again (I commented on the trello card)
[10:48] <Mirv> bzoltan_: FYI copying latest phablet-tools for vivid and trusty to SDK Release PPA
[11:18] <Mirv> bah
[12:24] <rvr> abeato: Take a look to my comments at https://trello.com/c/BWPvIkY7/2276-269-ubuntu-landing-055-qtubuntu-media-media-hub-jhodapp
[12:53] <bzoltan_> Mirv:  thank you
[13:01] <sil2100> slangasek: hey! Could you merge in a system-image branch for me?
[13:01] <sil2100> slangasek: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/ubuntu-system-image/server-fix-pd-builds/+merge/272445
[13:09] <sil2100> jibel: ugh, just now I noticed that I answered on a completely unrelated channel, yes, it's like Mirv said ;p geez...
[13:11] <jibel> sil2100, heh
[13:36] <sil2100> barry: hey! Could you merge in https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/ubuntu-system-image/server-fix-pd-builds/+merge/272445 ? Added changes as per your comment ;)
[13:59] <barry> sil2100: sure, i can merge it, but i can't publish it.
[14:00] <sil2100> barry: I'll publish it, no worries :)
[14:04] <barry> sil2100: i made one minor change to the comments, and i'm running the tests locally.  if they pass, i'll commit and push
[14:05] <barry> pep8 unhappiness :(
[14:08] <sil2100> Worked fine here ;)
[14:08] <sil2100>   fast-py34: commands succeeded
[14:08] <sil2100>   congratulations :)
[14:08] <sil2100> PEP8 is not ran as part of this test-suite?
[14:09] <barry> sil2100: it is apparently when you run `tox`
[14:10] <sil2100> What made it unhappy?
[14:11] <barry> sil2100: it's a bunch of the bin scripts and some of the lib/systemimage/testing modules.  i will look at fixing them before i push your branch
[14:11] <sil2100> But I didn't touch those now did I?
[14:11] <barry> sil2100: nope
[14:12] <barry> so clearly the test suite isn't getting run much ;)
[14:12] <sil2100> ;)
[14:12] <sil2100> I'm just running the fast ones, though that runs everything
[14:13] <sil2100> barry: hmm... just checked and it looks like fast-py34 also runs PEP8 tests and it doesn't say anything on my local machine
[14:15] <barry> sil2100: well, that's interesting
[14:15] <barry> sil2100: wonder if it's a wily thing?  are you running 15.10?
[14:16] <sil2100> 15.04 still, maybe that's it?
[14:16] <sil2100> test_pep8_clean (systemimage.tests.test_static.StaticTests) ... ok
[14:16] <barry> sil2100: possibly.  but pep8 is the only failures so they should be easy to fix.  i will commit and push your branch, and then do another pep8 fix branch next
[14:16] <barry> sil2100: weird!
[14:16] <sil2100> Thanks, I'll try to publish it at s-i :)
[14:17] <barry> sil2100: merged
[14:45] <nerochiaro> cihelp: is it just me or is jenkins taking forever to run tests on merge requests today ?
[14:54] <dbarth_> o/ hi, i need a trainguard to retry a ppa build failing on a unit test on wily (silo 025)
[14:54] <sil2100> dbarth_: on it!
[14:54] <sil2100> Webbrowser?
[14:54] <dbarth_> the i386 and amd64 builds namely; armhf passed already
[14:54] <dbarth_> sil2100: yeah
[15:01] <sil2100> Rebuilding itself
[15:01] <rvr> alf_: kgunn: Approving silo 28
[15:01] <kgunn> rvr: thanks ....we've got another landing right behind that one :)
[15:08] <fginther> nerochiaro, there are a couple of makos offline. If you're MPs rely on mako testing, that is likely the problem... Assuming they aren't dead for good, they should be up again soon.
[15:09] <nerochiaro> fginther: ok. so if they come back up, i don't need to restart the jobs, they will be taken care of
[15:10] <nerochiaro> ?
[15:10] <awe_> sil2100, cyphermox, question about NM wily landing ( 010 ); it's currently in the UNAPPROVED queue; can one of you explain?  Is there any action needed for me or cyphermox to move fwd?
[15:11] <cyphermox> awe_: no actions from you
[15:11] <sil2100> awe_: wily is now in manual-approve mode
[15:11] <cyphermox> it's up to an archive admin to review, I already mentioned it to infinity.
[15:12] <fginther> nerochiaro, correct. In most cases the devices take themselves offline so as not to impact builds and jobs will just wait until a device is available
[15:12] <awe_> thanks guys
[15:12] <nerochiaro> fginther: thanks
[15:12] <awe_> and thanks for the help fri afternoon cyphermox!
[15:13] <cyphermox> yes
[15:13] <cyphermox> awe_: NM should be top notch on the phone.
[15:13] <fginther> nerochiaro, in a few cases, the devices can fail in the middle of a test in which case it will need to be restarted. These will appear as a failed jenkins job.
[15:13] <awe_> cyphermox, well...we need to land all those changes to the overlay PPA next.  ;)-
[15:14] <cyphermox> yes, of course.
[15:14] <awe_> but yes, it continues to improve
[15:14] <nerochiaro> fginther: also i am having an hard time figuring out what is wrong with the mako failures in thir MR: https://code.launchpad.net/~uriboni/webbrowser-app/topsite-previews/+merge/269771 - i have been told some tests timeout causing the whole to timeout, but that doesn't help me figure out what is actually causing the initial problem
[15:23] <fginther> nerochiaro, I can't help much on those test failures. The device was provisioned successfully with ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu image 241, the packages from the MP were installed, and the screen was unlocked to run the tests. That's about as far as I can diagnose.
[15:24] <nerochiaro> fginther: do you know who might be able to help ? to be clear: i don't need help in fixing the tests, but in figuring out which one is making the whole CI run choke
[15:25] <nerochiaro> fginther: as I understand it, it should not happen. tests that fail should not make the whole fail
[15:26] <fginther> nerochiaro, Maybe I'm ansering the wrong question. Why wouldn't a failing test not make the whole thing fail? Do you expect CI to mark this MP as PASSED instead of FAILED?
[15:31] <fginther> nerochiaro, you can also follow the instructions here for re-creating the CI testing locally: http://ubuntu-test-cases-touch.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
[15:31] <fginther> nerochiaro, testing of MPs is specifically covered here: http://ubuntu-test-cases-touch.readthedocs.org/en/latest/#provisioning-and-executing-autopilot-tests-for-an-mp
[15:32] <nerochiaro> fginther: i would expect it to mark the failing AP test as failed, but not the majority of AP tests as failed (108 over 150, which were passing in previous runs). but I will try your suggestion and see what I can reproduce locally
[15:34] <fginther> nerochiaro, Ah, I understand. One failure should not impact the other tests in this case... One thing to aware of is that CI is running both the webapp_container and webbrowser_app tests, with the webapp_container tests running first
[15:36] <nerochiaro> fginther: i'll keep that in mind
[16:08] <sil2100> kgunn: hey! Can you approve https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-system-compositor-team/unity-system-compositor/0.1/+merge/272394 ?
[16:13] <robru> Mirv: can you copy a vivid version of phablet-tools to https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ubuntu/tools please?
[16:13] <ogra_> robru, why cant you ?
[16:13] <ogra_> arent you in phablet-team ?
[16:14] <ogra_> as the quasi maintainer of phablet-tools you should really be i think :)
[16:14] <robru> ogra_: well somebody deleted the vivid version of the package that I built then published & freed the silo, so...
[16:15] <robru> ogra_: it's not about permissions it's about "please rebuild the package you deleted"
[16:15] <ogra_> ah :)
[18:06] <boiko> robru: any idea on what went wrong here: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-016-2-publish/107/console
[18:11] <robru> crap
[18:11] <robru> boiko: hang on
[18:13] <renatu> robru, what I need to do to get the debug packages for a specific silo available on apt
[18:13] <robru> boiko: ok I pushed a fix, should be live in 5 minutes.
[18:14] <robru> renatu: not sure, ask infinity
[18:14] <boiko> robru, thanks
[18:18] <robru> boiko: ok try it now
[18:20] <boiko> robru: now it said the silo is dirty, that I need to rebuild messaging-app, I don't remember anything landing in there
[18:20] <robru> hmmm
[18:21] <boiko> robru: or at least it was not showing the silo dirty message when I first tried to publish it
[18:22] <robru> boiko: yeah, that's a known bug, if the silo is dirty and you rebuild only part of the silo it will report 'packages built' even though the silo is technically dirty. I'm just trying to find why it thinks it's dirty
[18:23] <boiko> robru: ah ok, well, the last package rebuilt there was messaging-app anyways
[18:24] <renatu> Ursinha, do you know how I can make the silo/ppa debug packages available on apt list?
[18:26] <robru> boiko: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/cyphermox-test/1160/console your changelog seems to be missing v 0.1+15.10.20150923.1-0ubuntu1 which is in wily, apparently you never rebuilt since publishing whatever silo that came from on spet 25)
[18:26] <robru> boiko: so it seems no mistake, you really do need to rebuild.
[18:26] <boiko> robru: oups, ok, my bad then
[18:26] <boiko> robru: yep, sorry about that
[18:26] <robru> boiko: no worries, glad this check saved us from clobbering your previous release ;-)
[18:27] <boiko> :)
[21:09] <dobey> trainguards: can someone please cancel all the builds for https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-026/+sourcepub/5415761/+listing-archive-extra ? seems the tests are hanging for some reason :(
[21:09] <robru> dobey: on it
[21:10] <robru> dobey: ok done
[21:11] <dobey> robru: thanks
[21:11] <robru> you're welcome
[22:04] <tedg> robru: Do you by change have a script that copies source package from one repo to another?
[22:04] <tedg> by chance
[22:04] <robru> tedg: nope I just use the LP web interface when I need to do that
[22:05] <robru> tedg: IIRC there's a copy-package tool in some kind of archive-tools repo though
[22:06] <robru> tedg: yeah https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-archive-tools
[22:12] <tedg> robru: Cool, thanks!
[22:12] <robru> tedg: you're welcome


 @tsimonq2 That could even be something specific to that monitor. Probably not a bug worth chasing.
[20:14] <arraybolt3> Interesting observation - I just started a 22.04 install in a VM and the geolocation put me in Denver. Which is wrong, BUT it's not in New York, meaning the service is working.
[20:15] <arraybolt3> If the service always puts us in New York on Noble, that is officially a bug.
[20:15] <tsimonq2> agreed
[20:15] <arraybolt3> I have yet for the service to figure out even once that I'm in Missouri or even in Central Time. :-/
[20:16] <arraybolt3> tl;dr: hotspots are unreliable for geolocation
[20:16] <arraybolt3> oh nice, looks like I just got a SIGBUS install crash on Jammy. Sigh, I remember this...
[20:16] <tsimonq2> Which is honestly to be expected.
[20:16] <tsimonq2> (Not the crash!)
[20:17] <arraybolt3> I
[20:17] <arraybolt3> hit Enter too early
 The geolocation is IP based
[20:17] <arraybolt3> I've never had the installer crash like that in a VM on my Focus, but I *have* had it crash relentlessly on one particular Chromebook, and guiverc shared a workaround that got me up and running. Going to try that now (setting Cala into maximum debug mode)
[20:18] <tsimonq2> uh wat o_O XD
[20:18] <arraybolt3> yes, that's the workaround
[20:18] <tsimonq2> So ... setting debug mode ... just fixes your issue????
[20:18] <arraybolt3> yep
[20:18] <arraybolt3> dunno why, but alas
[20:18] <tsimonq2> waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
[20:18] <arraybolt3> I think we have maximum debug mode set by default on our ISOs now for logging purposes :P
[20:19] <tsimonq2> bah that's not maximum
[20:19] <arraybolt3> oh, no, we use level 6
[20:19] <arraybolt3> so now I'mma try level 8
 Dial it up to 12 ;)
[20:19] <arraybolt3> heh, --help says there is no level 12
 Lol
 That's quitter talk :P
[20:20] <arraybolt3> `aptitude moo`
[20:20] <arraybolt3> `aptitude -v moo`
[20:20] <arraybolt3> `aptitude -vv moo`
[20:20] <arraybolt3> keep adding v's, it's funny what happens
 :D
[20:22] <arraybolt3> yep, using debug level 8, now the installation is moving along just fine.
[20:23] <arraybolt3> Which is a fascinating combination of useful and frustrating.
[20:23] <arraybolt3> Maybe we should set the default debug level to 8 via SRU before 22.04.4 releases :P
[20:23] <arraybolt3> since this is now two machines I've encountered problems on when not using that debug level
[20:44] <tsimonq2> https://twitter.com/tsimonquigley2/status/1740110615404806483


[10:22] <maswan> fabbione: btw, http://www.clusterfs.com/pr/2005-11-16.html <- perhaps an update to UbuntuClusters would be in order? (lustre GPL public releases not lagging anymore)
[10:24] <fabbione> maswan: isn't the same we discussed not too long ago?
[10:24] <maswan> fabbione: oh, might be. I just browsed through the wiki just now
[10:25] <fabbione> indeed it is
[10:25] <fabbione> 2.6.10 afaict from 1.4.6beta
[10:26] <maswan> Also: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerCandy  links to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuCluster without the trailing s in UbuntuClusters
[10:26] <fabbione> ok
[10:28] <fabbione> typo fixed..
[10:28] <maswan> Thanks
[10:28] <fabbione> maswan: if you can get a kernel patch for .15 we can try it
[10:29] <fabbione> as it is their patch system really sucks
[10:29] <fabbione> anyway i need to go afk for a while
[10:29] <maswan> Well, in a while, not very soon though.
[10:29] <maswan> Ok
[10:29] <fabbione> bbl
[10:29] <maswan> We're currently in the middle of upgrading woody->breezy :)
[04:13] <spike> hi there
[04:13] <spike> I just noticed that the advertised installation mode, server-expert isnt actually available
[04:13] <spike> am I missing somthing?
[04:31] <jammcq> hello server team
[06:44] <beezly> I've just been reading the wiki/ServerCandy page - great stuff in there - particularly /etc under RCS and Xen
[06:44] <beezly> does anyone know anything about things happening with 3rd party app vendors? I'm particularly interested in Oracle support under Ubuntu
[07:59] <leonel> can Squirrelmail  be included on  main ?
[11:15] <gustavor> what kind of changes should I do to in sources.list to get server edition?
[11:16] <gustavor> i'm using breezy
[11:33] <Nafallo> gustavor: none. it's the same archive with the same applications.


[09:34] <slickymaster> good morning all
[11:03] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:05] <slickymaster> morning davmor2 :)
[14:06] <samgabbay> Hello World
[14:11] <elfy> o/
[14:11] <DanChapman> afternoon elfy
[14:11] <elfy> DanChapman: hi there :)
[14:12] <elfy> I was after you this morning then I got called to work ...
[14:12] <elfy> now I'm up to my eyes in other stuff :)
[14:13] <DanChapman> elfy lol they called you in on your holiday??
[14:14] <elfy> DanChapman: oh - no, not holiday - I only work part time unfortunately - week on, week off - and the other one is a bit ummm work shy ;)
[14:14] <samgabbay> back
[14:15]  * samgabbay slaps elfy around a bit with a large trout
[14:15] <elfy> I'm often working during my week off - good for the wallet at least :)
[14:15] <elfy> being an old hippy elfy rarely responds to threats of mild violence with fish
[14:15] <DanChapman> elfy ahhh i see :-)
[14:15] <DanChapman> elfy lol
[14:16] <samgabbay> LOL
[14:16] <samgabbay> how are ya dan
[14:17] <DanChapman> samgabbay, good thanks. you?
[14:18] <samgabbay> DanChapman: meh the susual high school failing life
[14:19] <elfy> wait till you're my age looking back at school with fond memories of not having to work ;)
[14:20] <samgabbay> elfy: i really hate school at the moment :/ my marks are dying in math and its problimatic
[14:20] <knome> samgabbay, that's much better than being unmotivated for/at work, believe me :)
[14:20] <elfy> :)
[14:21] <samgabbay> knome: how is that better? its terrible i wish i was already a developer/software engineer/hacker
[14:22] <samgabbay> its jsut making me more and more depressed diggin down a grave
[14:22] <knome> once you get unmotivated in work, you realize you're going to have to keep going on for the rest of your life
[14:23] <elfy> which goes reaaaaaaaaaaly slowly at that point ...
[14:23] <knome>  KZyep
[14:23] <knome> hmm
[14:23] <knome> where did that extra crap appear from
[14:23] <samgabbay> your right but if you like doing what you do then whats the problem?
[14:24] <elfy> knome: you're end somewhere :p
[14:24] <knome> samgabbay, i like what i'm doing, but still, sometimes...
[14:24] <knome> samgabbay, and you shouldn't be too certain you'll get a job you'll love doing
[14:24] <knome> not trying to push you down, just make you realize that studying is actually quite cool.
[14:25] <samgabbay> knome: thts for sure but when you try your best and you fail then theres a problem i goto tutoring for math and it just does not help
[14:26] <samgabbay> jesus the #ubuntu is very............annoying
[14:27] <knome> samgabbay, imagine the situation where you're an entrepreneur working on yourself, and you keep failing and being unmotivated for the work... who are you gonna call? (no, ghostbusters are not able to help here)
[14:28] <samgabbay> knome: your right. but i feel right now that im just digging a grave of depression due to all the tests i have failed so far :(
[14:32] <samgabbay> man my life is falling appart
[14:33] <elfy> really not the time nor place to get into that sort of thing - you have no idea what issues other people are dealing with in their lives
[14:34] <samgabbay> your right :/ i jsut wish everything went better for em
[14:34] <knome> let's all remember that feelings are all subjective... and try to understand and empathize each other :)
[14:34] <samgabbay> your rigt knome
[14:36] <samgabbay> like said, i just wish everything went better
[14:37] <jpds> samgabbay: When you're going through a low period, things can only get better.
[14:37] <samgabbay> jpds: thanks i just really hope i dont fail my whole school year
[14:38]  * samgabbay slaps ChanServ around a bit with a large trout
[14:38] <jpds> Not the end of the world.
[14:38] <samgabbay> jpds: if i fail? yes it would be a discrase to my whole family
[14:40] <knome> every failure is a learning experience.
[14:40] <knome> and a good one at that.
[14:40] <samgabbay> i already failed grade to im in high school now i really cannot fail
[14:41] <samgabbay> Yepppp
[14:42] <samgabbay> anyone know a completly off topic chat thread on the ubuntu irc? otehr than #offtopic
[14:42] <knome> samgabbay, #ubuntu-offtopic ##defocus
[14:42] <balloons>  samgabbay #ubuntu-forums :-)
[14:42]  * balloons ducks
[14:43] <elfy> balloons: well that was a fail then
[14:43] <samgabbay> thanks :D
[14:43] <elfy> the channel is #ubuntuforums ;)
[14:43]  * balloons was successful at drawing out elfy !
[14:43] <elfy> lol
[14:43] <samgabbay> got in Hahah
[14:44] <elfy> I'll be there shortly to kick ban you for no reason ...
[14:44] <samgabbay> ME? :(
[14:44] <elfy> yep
[14:44] <elfy> why not - it is offtopic :)
[14:44] <elfy> and forum admins run it with a rod of chocolate
[14:45] <samgabbay> WHy ban me :( im soo lonley
[14:45] <elfy> :)
[14:45] <samgabbay> elfy is not nice :(
[14:45] <elfy> people will talk to you in there probably
[14:45] <knome> samgabbay, don't mind him, he's just a grumpy old man
[14:46] <elfy> :)
[14:46] <elfy> samgabbay: that channel is mostly offtopic unless someone has a forum issue then it's not
[14:47] <samgabbay> knome: fine i wont :D
[14:48] <samgabbay> elfy: YAY FINALLY SOCIETY LOL
[14:49] <samgabbay> Oomg the deoff is like: we have a heart! i laughed hard at thaat
[14:49] <balloons> samgabbay, it's good to have a nice laugh in those places. enjoy yourself
[14:49] <samgabbay> balloons: thanks man how you been?
[14:51] <elfy> I thought I'd banned balloons
[14:51] <samgabbay> elfy: poor balloons :(
[14:52] <balloons> I have other ip's...
[14:52] <balloons> samgabbay, you have to know how to bribe the forums guys
[14:52]  * balloons hands forestpiskie a chocolate cookie.  I'm good.. how about you ?
[16:55] <balloons> I'm going well, thank you
[16:57] <senan> DanChapman, Thanks for reviewing the code and for the comments :)
[16:58] <senan> DanChapman, so basically I should check whether the title is null instead of verifying the text right ?
[17:01] <senan> balloons, I'm into testing in my day job :)
[17:02] <balloons> senan, nice
[17:03] <senan> balloons, they hired me as .net developer.. since there was no project.. I asked for test automation.. no dealing with SAP and QTP
[17:03] <balloons> ohh.. nice.. what tools are you using?
[17:03] <senan> balloons, QTP
[17:06] <DanChapman> senan, im great thanks.  The choice of which way to test the title is entirely your choice. The majority of the other Gtk tests I think stick with english as the locale so if you prefer that way then do that if it makes writing the tests easier.  I just threw the any locale suggestion out there in case you wanted to go that route :-)
[17:07] <senan> DanChapman, I should have used analyzer instead of analyser :)
[17:20] <senan> DanChapman, I didnt understand completely your second comment :(
[17:28] <DanChapman> senan so the first half of all the other 3 tests are pretty much the same. Click on the cog button, then select a menutitem and so on... You could break that out into a seperate function and say pass in the action_name of the menuitem you want. Does that make sense?
[17:31] <senan> DanChapman, No :(
[17:32] <senan> DanChapman, Still I'm missing something
[17:34] <senan> DanChapman, But the scan folder is a functionality right.. so we should cover the entire path one test correct ?
[17:35] <DanChapman> senan don't worry we will get there. :-) It will probably be easier to explain it better in another comment in the review.
[17:36] <senan> DanChapman,  sorry Dan.. sorry for asking silly questions :)
[17:36] <DanChapman> senan, yes we should cover the entire process to scan a folder. Let me just go an write another comment :)
[17:36] <senan> DanChapman, OK, that will be very helpful .. thanks
[17:39] <senan> DanChapman, the scan remote folder is launching a Nautilus Connect to server dialog, that i am not able to catch
[17:45] <samgabbay> guys whats the ubuntuforum hashtag?
[18:02] <DanChapman> senan ive left a comment :-)
[18:03] <samgabbay> 0.o
[18:03] <senan> DanChapman, Thank you
[18:07] <samgabbay> DanChapman: does nickolas staggs ever come on this irc
[18:07] <balloons> never!
[18:07] <DanChapman> samgabbay, ^^
[18:07] <samgabbay> wait wait wait
[18:08] <samgabbay> whats nicks username?
[18:08] <samgabbay> im so curious
[18:08] <DanChapman> lol
[18:08] <balloons> I'll only give you one guess
[18:08] <samgabbay> Go!
[18:08]  * DanChapman points at balloons
[18:09] <balloons> DanChapman wins :-) but he wasn't guessing, so ... no prize!
[18:09] <elfy> points mean prizes
[18:09]  * DanChapman didn't want one anyway ;-p
[18:09]  * elfy got a cookie earlier
[18:09] <elfy> #proud
[18:09] <DanChapman> LOL
[18:10] <elfy> oh shoot
[18:10] <samgabbay> WAIT NICK IS BALOONS?
[18:10] <samgabbay> 0.0
[18:10] <elfy> no he didn't - forestpiskie got it - he never ever shares with me
[18:10] <elfy> samgabbay: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT
[18:10] <samgabbay> sowy
[18:10] <samgabbay> so baloons is nick
[18:10] <samgabbay> 0.0
[18:11] <samgabbay> Haiii
[18:11] <balloons> forestpiskie isn't supposed to share with elfy
[18:11] <samgabbay> hai nickolas :D
[18:11] <balloons> hi
[18:12] <samgabbay> wait so you know me dont you?
[18:12]  * samgabbay feels very known :D
[18:14] <elfy> so it seems the restart button issue I had is fixed - only one way to test that :p
[18:14] <samgabbay> balloons: so you know me correct?
[18:16] <balloons> samgabbay, tes
[18:16] <balloons> *yes
[18:22] <samgabbay123> i cant log in no more
[20:10] <Letozaf_> balloons, Hello
[20:10] <balloons> Letozaf_, :-)
[20:11] <Letozaf_> balloons, howzit?
[20:12] <Letozaf_> balloons, yesterday I ran a ubiquity autopilot test and got this output at the end: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6337570/
[20:12] <Letozaf_> balloons, got those strange zero length files in the ubiquity-autopilot-runner directory
[20:13] <Letozaf_> balloons, has this ever happened to you guys ?
[20:13] <balloons> I see...
[20:13] <balloons> wild
[20:13] <Letozaf_> balloons, anyway it was the first time I launched it I will try again today and see if it happens again
[20:14] <Letozaf_> balloons, I commented the VNC part so to see what was going on with qemu
[20:15] <Letozaf_> balloons, I will let you know if it happens again
[20:15] <balloons> Letozaf_, kk.. you going to try and work on a test to install ? :-p
[20:15] <Letozaf_> balloons, I am trying to see if I am able to :P
[20:15] <Letozaf_> balloons, if I am I will :D
[20:16] <Letozaf_> balloons, it would be nice to
[20:17] <balloons> Letozaf_, well did you try the vm version?
[20:17] <balloons> that's how I've done it
[20:17] <balloons> basically boot a vm to a live session
[20:17] <Letozaf_> balloons, not yet, yesterday I had time just to try the first way
[20:18] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes I saw that other way to do the tests
[20:18] <Letozaf_> balloons, is it better that way ?
[20:18] <balloons> well, it's simply the way I've done it :-)
[20:18] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok so I will try it this evening
[20:20] <balloons> k.. if Dan was around he might have more info on the test runner
[20:23] <Letozaf_> balloons, I will first try the vm version and if I can make it this evening see if that "thing" happens to me again
[20:24] <balloons> yes.. the vm I find makes it easy to develop the scripts
[20:25] <balloons> you can run it live, make changes, and do it again
[20:25] <Letozaf_> balloons, sounds good
[20:27] <Letozaf_> balloons, what about rssreader app's bug, do you know if it has been fixed ?
[20:30] <Letozaf_> balloons, but do you install on a VM o run a live on a VM ?
[20:32] <balloons> Letozaf_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-rssreader-app/+bug/1246501
[20:33] <Letozaf_> balloons, thanks so I can see when it-s fixed
[21:00] <Letozaf_> balloons, have you tried Trusty live lately ?
[21:00] <balloons> the livecd? no
[21:01] <Letozaf_> balloons, well I was trying to run Trusty live for the ubiquity autopilot tests, but I cannot open Software & Updates, it just doesn't open
[21:03] <balloons> Letozaf_, you mean to add the repo?
[21:03] <Letozaf_> balloons, not even opening software center and selecting software sources from the Edit menu
[21:03] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes
[21:04] <Letozaf_> balloons, think it's a bug but maybe it still early for Trusty to report bugs, I don't knwo
[21:04] <Letozaf_> sorry know
[21:12] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes it's Trusty's bug on Saucy live it works
[21:13] <balloons> nice..
[21:13] <balloons> well, you can manually add the repo
[21:13] <balloons> sudo add-apt-repository
[21:13] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes, but do I have to report it or is it too early to ?
[21:14] <balloons> Letozaf_, you can report it manually
[21:15] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok


[00:07] <jrwren> rick_h_: yes, turns out i didn't need that anyway
[00:07] <jrwren> rick_h_: defaultdict(dict) is all I needed
[00:08] <rick_h_> jrwren: awesome
[00:08] <rick_h_> jrwren: figured you were doing 2-d counts or something and needed the initial 0 to += 1
[00:09] <jrwren> yup, but since it is a dict, i felt it reads a little better to just use get('count', 0)
[00:09] <snap-l> Python: the infinite spool of rope to happily hang yourself
[00:09] <jrwren> and since I'm doing min/max
[00:09] <jrwren> get('min', value) reads even nicer
[00:09] <jrwren> hehe, C has the same infinite rope. its just easier to string it up with python
[00:10] <snap-l> The secret of C is there is no rope
[00:10] <snap-l> just a pointer to a function to cut off your air supply.
[00:10] <rick_h_> jrwren: http://docs.python.org/dev/library/itertools.html#itertools.accumulate ?
[00:11] <jrwren> fold!
[00:11] <jrwren> yay fold
[00:11] <jrwren> i might be able to write this with fold, but I kinda feel this is more readable
[00:11] <rick_h_> jrwren: cool, just tossing it out there.
[00:11] <jrwren> *nod* thanks.
[00:11] <jrwren> I do like reduce functions
[00:11] <jrwren> wait... doesn't python have built in reduce?
[00:12] <rick_h_> yea, min/max often seem to fit into that more
[00:12] <jrwren> oh, but that one yields, nice
[00:12] <jrwren> the problem is - standard deviation.
[00:12] <jrwren> you have to iterate the list twice to calculate it, AFAIK
[11:30] <rick_h_> jrwren: predicted it yesterday https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/1834
[12:59] <snap-l> So, who has the cajones to mark the bug "invalid"? :)
[12:59] <rick_h_> lol
[13:00] <snap-l> I don't think it's fixed, but I do agree the focus has changed
[13:00] <snap-l> there are bigger and better problems to solve than market dominance.
[13:01] <snap-l> but of course this is going to cause all sorts of shitstorm on the net and waste time
[13:24] <jrwren> hahah! yes!
[13:25] <jrwren> bug #1
[13:27] <brousch> Aren't there more Android devices than windows computers now?
[13:27] <brousch> So maybe it should be switched to unseating Google
[13:54] <jrwren> join #csharp
[13:54] <jrwren> oops
[13:54] <brousch> ew
[13:55] <jrwren> join #python
[13:55] <jrwren> even worse
[15:00] <snap-l> Sheesh, Dropbox goes down, and you'd think the internet went down with it
[15:04] <brousch> I didn't notice
[15:05] <jcastro> don't care, once it's up my clients will do their thang
[15:06] <jcastro> though if I was out and about it'd probably be annoying
[15:06] <snap-l> I care only because my GTD stuff is on Dropbox
[15:06] <snap-l> and if it gets out of sync it can  be a pita
[15:06] <snap-l> Tha's all. :)
[15:07] <snap-l> but the way some people go on, you'd think their entire shared drive is on Dropbox for their company
[15:08] <brousch> I'm afraid that might be true
[15:09] <snap-l> https://forums.dropbox.com/topic.php?id=101181&page=2
[15:09] <snap-l> Funny thing is I think this was the same ass that complained loudly the last time
[15:16] <jcastro> "Does anyone know Drew Houston's cell phone number or home address?"
[15:16] <jcastro> creepy
[15:22] <brousch> wat? Shuttleworth closed Bug #1?
[15:23] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, that was the point. He marked it fix released :P
[15:23] <brousch> I missed that part
[15:30] <jrwren> i like shuttleworth.
[15:30] <jrwren> he elaborated on a lot of the things I was feeling yesterday
[15:42] <greg-g> I find this line funny: "nd I hope soon also how to be amazing for developers on their desktops" cc rick_h_
[15:47] <greg-g> but man, Wikimedia's bug 1 is never going to die: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1
[15:47] <rick_h_> lol
[15:48] <rick_h_> greg-g: how were the sprints
[15:49] <greg-g> rick_h_: great! but man, I'm getting old. Jetlag is killing me now
[15:50] <brousch> Sure. blame it on the jetlag instead of the weed
[16:45] <greg-g> see what happens when you disrespect your tech team? http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/
[17:02] <snap-l> greg-g: Yeah, saw a report of that
[17:02] <snap-l> Our docs are teh suck. Fix them up.
[17:03] <snap-l> Nice bug #1. Guaranteed never to be closed. :)
[17:03] <jjesse> i thought mark closed bug #1 today
[17:04] <jrwren> wikimedia, not ubuntu
[17:04] <jjesse> oh
[17:04] <jjesse> sorry i'll go back to sleep
[17:05] <greg-g> jjesse: me too me too!
[17:12] <snap-l> http://earache.bandcamp.com/album/skull
[17:54] <snap-l> Why yes, I like getting more requirements days before something is suppsed to launch, and then realizing I have two days less than I thought in order to launch it.
[17:55] <brousch> You are a rare developer
[17:55] <greg-g> Enjoy!
[17:55] <snap-l> which I found out about a few weeks ago just before you were heading on vacation
[17:56] <snap-l> and I'm sure was only then disclosed because you would be out during the normal "throw it over the wall" time that everything else comes along
[17:56] <snap-l> and thank you very much for the design that involves several departments to do something that would have been best handled in one process
[17:57] <snap-l> And we wonder why developers have alcohol fetishes.
[18:01] <jrwren> i like that too.
[18:01] <jrwren> nothing like a good challenge
[18:18] <snap-l> jrwren: I wish I had your attitude
[18:19] <snap-l> because I like challenges, but sometimes I see it as an affront.
[18:19] <brousch> I wish i had his waistline
[18:19] <snap-l> s/sometimes/most times/
[18:19] <snap-l> and his rocking hair
[18:19] <brousch> Trudat
[18:27] <jrwren> i got a buzzcut. i've no hair
[18:28] <jrwren> and my waistline is big. i need to drop a couple inches.
[18:28] <jrwren> now if only you were both really hot women from outer space that wanted me just for my hair and body and my wife would never find out...
[18:29] <greg-g> just tell her before hand
[18:30] <jrwren> good idea.
[18:30] <jrwren> i wonder what she will say. I'll tell her tonight.
[18:30] <greg-g> :)
[18:38] <snap-l> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZVVOzLyt3fo
[18:39] <snap-l> also: jrwren, I'm flattered you'd think of me as a hot woman from outer space. :)