[22:42] <JimBuntu> evdubs, you may be able to get more direct and personally experienced support in #ubuntu+1, but... they may also say you have to come here... but hopefully anyone with the same issue will then come here to give details/suggestions for next time
[22:42] <pragmaticenigma> raver: Perhaps you should look at their home page: https://kx.studio/index.php
[22:42] <pragmaticenigma> raver: Also, that is not maintained by Canonical or the Ubuntu community, it is off topic here.
[22:43] <raver> yea sorry and thanks for the info didn't knew it was suspended
[22:43] <raver> upgrade did run great by the way :)
[22:48] <OerHeks> raver, contact the ppa maintainer?
[22:51] <dax> JimBuntu: #ubuntu+1 is currently for sustained silent reading and other quiet activities until 19.10 becomes a thing. they don't do 19.04 support in there
[22:52] <dax> we used to +m the channel but people were sad so we don't
[22:55] <OerHeks> i think it is a good idea to leave it over the weekend, lots of people want 19.04 ofcourse
[22:56] <ChunkzZ> 19.04 is broken asf.
[22:56] <ChunkzZ> I done the minimal install from the mini.iso and couldn't load anything, something about a helper error. no thunar, terminal etc.
[22:56] <ChunkzZ> does anyone check the mini iso's?
[22:57] <OerHeks> no terminal, that is odd..
[22:57] <migmolrod> the miniQA department? dunno
[22:57] <ChunkzZ> OerHeks, yeah everytime I clicked it an error happened.
[22:58] <ChunkzZ> thought it was the install so I installed it again and it was the same. minimal from the mini iso and xubuntu minimal.
[22:58] <ChunkzZ> off to try lxqt anyway. *waves*
[23:01] <stevendale> Don't bother ChunkzZ
[23:01] <stevendale> Lubuntu 18.10 / LXQt is horrible
[23:05] <Bashing-om> ChunkzZ: All good per: https://lubuntu.me/disco-released/ .
[23:11] <Mead> I have lubuntu on a syste,  tried go from 18.04 to 18.10.... I could go back quick enough. Whomever is making decisions for Lubuntu to change the direction of the distro are going to drive it into the ground.
[23:11] <stevendale> It's my aunty's birthday today
[23:12] <OerHeks> stevendale, go to #ubuntu-offtopic, as you  seem to have no support question
[23:13] <coelho> ola pessoal boa noite
[23:13] <Mead> habla english poor favor
[23:13] <coelho> ok
[23:22] <zealsham_> i have a file in folder and i want to move that file to a parent folder, how do i do that
[23:23] <Mead> cp filename /newlocation/filename
[23:25] <EriC^^> zealsham_: mv filename ../
[23:25] <migmolrod> ^
[23:26] <zealsham_> thanks eric
[23:26] <EriC^^> you're welcome
[23:40] <BlackDalek> I have no third party PPAs. I am getting http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/d8WrKSVJ6m/ from apt-get upgrade and http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hCD38d5FQ/ from apt upgrade
[23:41] <migmolrod> second link seems broken
[23:42] <EriC^^> BlackDalek: try with 'apt-get dist-upgrade' ?
[23:42] <Bashing-om> BlackDalek: The Paste you are looking for does not currently exist. <- http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hCD38d5FQ/ .
[23:42] <BlackDalek> sorry.. sorry.. 2nd link is http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hqCD38d5FQ/
[23:43] <OerHeks> BlackDalek, run full-upgrade or dist-upgrade .. 782 not to upgrade.
[23:43] <OerHeks> that seems a long long time no update
[23:44] <BlackDalek> This is not my laptop. The owner probably hasn't updated it for years.
[23:44] <stevendale> BlackDalek You might be better off doing a clean install
[23:44] <stevendale> That upgrade can only cause problems
[23:44] <Bashing-om> BlackDalek: Where does python3-aptdaemon.pkcompat come from ? show ' apt policy python3-aptdaemon.pkcompat ' .
[23:45] <migmolrod> in an 'askubuntu' post they suggest to "sudo apt-get --with-new-pkgs upgrade" but it's a slightly different case i think (only a few packages and after adding a ppa)
[23:45] <Bashing-om> !info python3-aptdaemon.pkcompat bionic
[23:45] <BlackDalek> this laptop has 16.04 LT installed
[23:45] <BlackDalek> LTS*
[23:46] <Bashing-om> !info python3-aptdaemon.pkcompat xenial
[23:46] <OerHeks> that error can be fixed with dist-upgreade, i guess.
[23:48] <ChunkzZ> how can I get rid of "device not manager" under nm-applet????
[23:48] <ChunkzZ> managed*
[23:49] <EriC^^> BlackDalek: can you paste the output of "cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999"
[23:51] <OerHeks> ChunkzZ, we need more info, what device?
[23:51] <BlackDalek> EriC^^, https://termbin.com/xyse
[23:51] <OerHeks> if it is wireless, then there might be a driver/firmware missing..
[23:51] <ChunkzZ> my desktop OerHeks
[23:52] <ChunkzZ> ethernet.
[23:52] <EriC^^> BlackDalek: the bionic(18.04) sources are there instead of xenial, type "lsb_release -ds" to confirm it's 16.04
[23:52] <ChunkzZ> https://askubuntu.com/questions/71159/network-manager-says-device-not-managed I done this + I've tried to edit interfaces but it says ifupdown is disabled because of netplan?
[23:53] <ChunkzZ> wtf?
[23:53] <ChunkzZ> 19.04 too.
[23:53] <ChunkzZ> OerHeks, ^
[23:54] <OerHeks> .. please Chunkz, keep this channel family friendly.
[23:54] <ChunkzZ> what?>
[23:54] <OerHeks> i feen no need helping, goodluck
[23:54] <ChunkzZ> what have I done?
[23:54] <ChunkzZ> ugh, what did I do?
[23:55] <migmolrod> that "what the fryingpan" abbreviation? it's the only thing i see
[23:55] <ChunkzZ> yeah like wth
[23:56] <BlackDalek> EriC^^, maybe the owner tried to do an upgrade to bionic and it failed?
[23:56] <jcotton> are we not actually allowed to drop the F bomb in here?
[23:56] <jcotton> I don't mind either way, just wondering
[23:56] <EriC^^> BlackDalek: yeah, that's my guess too
[23:56] <ChunkzZ> EriC^^, any ideas?
[23:56] <EriC^^> BlackDalek: probably best to backup and clean install at this point
[23:57] <EriC^^> ChunkzZ: nope, sorry
[23:58] <dax> jcotton: correct, including abbreviations of such
[23:58] <dax> family friendly, and all that
[23:59] <jcotton> fair
[23:59] <ChunkzZ> dude, even young 3 year olds swear lol


[01:23] <UBuxuBU> i am downloading lubuntu for the 1st time from the website. i have never used it or onstalled it. it is going into one of my clients manines. is there anything i need to know? i have been using ubuntu along side windows for awhile now.
[01:23] <UBuxuBU> installed*
[01:24] <UBuxuBU> machines*
[01:45] <UBuxuBU> dou recommend 1010 or 1004
[01:53] <UBuxuBU> oh well thanks anyway...here goes 10.10
[04:17] <phillw> bug #1
[04:17]  * phillw you got to love them bots :D
[04:23] <bioterror> well, opensource still lacks something like Exchange and that's the best solution in corporate world
[04:24] <bioterror> and we cant talk about evolution and outlook on same day
[08:01] <aktomariel_2012> Hi! I ma from Kiev, Ukraine
[08:02] <aktomariel_2012> I want install lubuntu on 8 gb USB stuck for use with Sony Vaio VGN p530N is 8gb enough for normal system & I wan istalk minimum then instal sime extra soft for network
[08:11] <aktomariel_2012> anybady alive *
[08:11] <aktomariel_2012> ?
[10:28] <manfredrasta> hi all
[10:28] <bioterror> hi
[10:29] <manfredrasta> i need help, where is the update manager in my lubuntu 10.04?
[10:29] <bioterror> I think synaptic
[10:29] <bioterror> that's the tool
[10:29] <bioterror> but ofcourse you can say in terminal "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"
[10:29] <bioterror> without ""
[10:30] <manfredrasta> synaptics is the package manager. Is the same thing?
[10:30] <manfredrasta> I mean with the interface
[10:31] <manfredrasta> hi?
[10:31] <bioterror> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9016857&postcount=3
[10:33] <bioterror> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/KeepLubuntuUptoDate
[10:34] <manfredrasta> thanks
[10:35] <manfredrasta> will i install lubuntu 10.10 doing that?
[10:35] <bioterror> nope
[10:36] <manfredrasta> ok
[10:36] <manfredrasta> the thing is that I want to do that
[10:36] <manfredrasta> :)
[10:36] <manfredrasta> dont need update manager ?
[10:36] <friTTe|> think you should do a dist upgrade
[10:37] <manfredrasta> yes
[10:37] <friTTe|> you on 10.04 now?
[10:37] <manfredrasta> yes
[10:37] <manfredrasta> and want 10.10
[10:37] <bioterror> manfredrasta, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[10:37] <manfredrasta> ok
[10:37] <friTTe|> ;)
[10:37] <manfredrasta> should i make a backup first?
[10:37] <bioterror> tjena friTTe|
[10:37] <friTTe|> tjena
[10:37] <friTTe|> manfredrasta,  backup is always good
[10:38] <manfredrasta> friTTe|, and how do i do a backup? Me noob
[10:38] <friTTe|> hmm well, i only backup when doing reinstallations, save the important stuff to an external or something like that
[10:38] <friTTe|> like documents and such
[10:39] <friTTe|> but there are several diferent pure backup programs but ive never used the
[10:39] <friTTe|> *them
[10:39] <manfredrasta> ok
[10:39] <manfredrasta> the thing is that to make lubuntu working good in my laptop i needed to change the Xorg
[10:40] <friTTe|> i always try to kjeep stuff i wanna have on another hdd or partition
[10:40] <bioterror> cp -Rv /home/username /media/Backup
[10:40] <bioterror> that's how I did it last night
[10:40] <friTTe|> nice
[10:41] <bioterror> so fritte
[10:41] <bioterror> what have you been upto lately, havent seen you for a while
[10:41] <bioterror> we could even use a sentence "we've been missing you" :D
[10:41] <friTTe|> hehe
[10:41] <friTTe|> well studying
[10:41] <friTTe|> and im about to move to another city now in january
[10:41] <bioterror> where are you going to move? GOTHborg?
[10:42] <bioterror> it would be awesome to live in a city called GOTHborg
[10:42] <friTTe|> and took the step over to Debian based stuff, so Debian Sid Xfce and Crunchbang is my addicions
[10:42] <friTTe|> gothenburg
[10:42] <friTTe|> göteborg
[10:42] <friTTe|> haha
[10:42] <bioterror> götis as we call it
[10:42] <bioterror> :D
[10:42] <friTTe|> yeah, well my city is called Karlskoga, near Örebro
[10:42] <bioterror> oh
[10:42] <bioterror> skog :D
[10:42] <friTTe|> 11mil from here, about 1 hour drive
[10:43] <bioterror> you and your mil
[10:43] <friTTe|> yeah
[10:43] <bioterror> 11mil = 110km
[10:43] <friTTe|> yes
[10:44] <friTTe|> so lifes rolling on finally, start a brand new life
[10:44] <bioterror> oh
[10:44] <bioterror> you're high on a life
[10:44] <friTTe|> sort of
[10:44] <friTTe|> but i need that, been down for a long time and medicated =)
[10:45] <friTTe|> my turn now
[11:02] <bioterror> friTTe|, well, nice to hear
[11:02] <friTTe|> yeah
[11:23] <phillw> hiyas friTTe|:)
[11:25] <friTTe|> \o
[11:25] <phillw> friTTe|: pop onto #lubuntu-offtopic :)
[15:39] <cobra-the-joker> hey guys ... can i work with lubuntu on 512 MB ?
[15:40] <phillw> cobra-the-joker: most certainly can :)
[15:41] <cobra-the-joker> nice then
[15:41] <phillw> 128MB is about the minimum
[15:41] <cobra-the-joker> wow ... thats amazing
[15:41] <cobra-the-joker> what about the cpu ?
[15:42] <phillw> cobra-the-joker: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#System%20requirements
[15:42] <Yorvyk> cobra-the-joker, if you’ve got ½ gig of RAM anything over 200MHz should be OK
[15:42] <Yorvyk> Hi phillw
[15:43] <phillw> hiyas Yorvyk
[15:44] <Yorvyk> phillw, just seen the email to the list about proof reading the wiki
[15:45] <phillw> cobra-the-joker: it was a decision by the linux kernel team to drop the older processors. It has put extra workload on the developers for Lubuntu, but it was a case that we really had to commit to.
[15:45] <Yorvyk> phillw, who what where should I inform of an erros
[15:46] <phillw> Yorvyk: I'm still in slight shock over how much Zach did. Just reply to the email.
[15:46] <Yorvyk> phillw, some are just trivial typos should I edit them
[15:47] <phillw> Yorvyk: by all means.
[15:47] <Yorvyk> phillw, OK Ta.
[15:47] <phillw> Yorvyk: if you flag it as trivial changes when you go to save, it will stop us getting email alerts :P
[15:48] <Yorvyk> phillw, OK, I’ve spammed myself before with this sort of thing. will do.
[16:51] <patrick_> hello i have a big problem.  Movie?
[16:52] <patrick_> Program
[16:52] <zkriesse> Ok, program as in?
[16:52] <zkriesse> We thrive on details my good man
[16:53] <patrick_> sorry my english arent so god i try it explain
[16:54] <patrick_> if i insert a cd in the computer then Lubuntu doesnt show a disc
[16:55] <zkriesse> Ok, hmmm
[16:55] <zkriesse> phillw: any ideas?
[16:56] <Yorvyk> patrick_, which version of Lubuntu are you using
[16:57] <patrick_> 10.10
[16:58] <Yorvyk> patrick_, give me a second while I boot up 10.10
[16:59] <patrick_> ok
[16:59] <phillw> patrick_: it will there via pcmanfm, they do not show on the desktop
[17:00] <patrick_> pcmanfm show no disc
[17:00] <Yorvyk> patrick_, on the left hand side in the panel
[17:03] <patrick_> pcmanfm does not show a cd drive that's the problem
[17:05] <patrick_> only the cd drive will not be displayed
[17:05] <Yorvyk> patrick_, from the menu go to System Tools > System Profiler and Benchmark > Storage
[17:07] <patrick_> there is indicated the cd but not in pcmanfm
[17:09] <Yorvyk> patrick_, so the computer knows it’s got a CD drive
[17:09] <patrick_> its strange
[17:10] <Yorvyk> patrick_, got to Edit > Preferences > Volume Management in pcmanfm
[17:10] <Yorvyk> patrick_, are the options there ticked?
[17:11] <patrick_> all is ticked
[17:13] <Yorvyk> patrick_, close that and go to Preferences > Users and Groups > Advanced Settings
[17:14] <Yorvyk> patrick_, User Privileges and scroll down the list to see if Use CD-ROM drives is ticked.
[17:17] <patrick_> its ticked
[17:24] <patrick_> it doesnt work
[17:25] <Yorvyk> patrick_, I’m stumped as those are the only things I’ve seen that prevent the CD-ROM showing in pcmanfm if it’s known to the system
[17:25] <Yorvyk> patrick_, which version og pcmanfm are you using
[17:26] <patrick_> 0.9.7
[17:28] <Yorvyk> patrick_, just a thought as there is a problem with 0.98
[17:29] <Yorvyk> patrick_, if you go to Go > My Computer in pcmanfm does it show there
[17:31] <patrick_> only the disc drive are not show
[17:36] <patrick_> its very strange
[19:31] <JLuc> hello !
[19:44] <JLuc> i have downloaded nautilus through synaptics tool
[19:44] <JLuc> but it doesnt appear anywhere
[19:45] <JLuc> i wanted to try it instead of pcmanfm
[19:45] <JLuc> how could i proceed now ?
[19:47] <bioterror> alt+f2 and type "nautilus" without ""
[19:50] <JLuc> ok its there
[19:51] <JLuc> i'm quite a newcomer to linux :-/
[19:51] <JLuc> how do I create a shortcut on the desktop toward nautilus ?
[19:52] <JLuc> well i'll look on the web for ubuntu's hints
[19:55] <Yorvyk> JLuc, are you using Ubuntu or Lubuntu
[19:55] <JLuc> i"m on lubuntu yes
[19:56] <Yorvyk> So have you installed Nautilus
[19:56] <JLuc> yes it is ok i wanted to try it
[19:57] <JLuc> thanks bioterror for the ALT F2 = exec trick
[19:57] <bioterror> np
[19:57] <JLuc> I have everything to discover so i try
[19:57] <JLuc> and sometime i ask
[19:58] <Yorvyk> OK if you navigate to /usr/share/applications and copy the nautilus.desktop file to desktop
[20:04] <JLuc> i have no nautilus file in this folder
[20:04] <bioterror> look example from another file and make yourself a nautilus one ;)
[20:05] <JLuc> ok i try !
[20:05] <bioterror> you can copy any file
[20:05] <bioterror> rename it to nautilus.desktop
[20:05] <bioterror> and modify it
[20:05] <bioterror> :D
[20:05] <bioterror> like real script kiddies do
[20:05] <JLuc> i dont see the .desktop extension for the files in this folder
[20:05] <JLuc> that'll be another question..
[20:05] <JLuc> ...
[20:06] <Yorvyk> Just looked through the logs and realised if it doesn’t appear in the menu there is no .desktop file
[20:07] <Yorvyk> JLuc, you won’t see the extension unless you change the view to detailed.  they a re all .desktop files in /usr/share/application
[20:08] <JLuc> ok thats easy :-)
[20:10] <JLuc> ermmm
[20:11] <JLuc> the detailled view shows a description of the file type, but doesnt show the extension itself...
[20:11] <JLuc> and when I save to nautilus.desktop it says "allready exists" but i cant see it
[20:11] <JLuc> it seems i dont see the real name of the files
[20:11] <JLuc> there are many "file manager" files
[20:12] <JLuc> one of them might be the nautilus.desktop
[20:13] <JLuc> I got it !
[20:13] <Yorvyk> \o/
[20:13] <JLuc> its strange I can't see the real name of these files !
[20:14] <Yorvyk> .desktop files are like that - they try to hide there true selves  :D
[20:16] <JLuc> ermmm
[20:16] <JLuc> i copied it on the desktop
[20:16] <JLuc> and there again "do you want to overwrite existing file with same name"
[20:17] <JLuc> before answering, a new icon (first on desktop) appeard : file manager
[20:17] <JLuc> i yessed
[20:17] <JLuc> yes'd
[20:17] <JLuc> now i dont understand :
[20:18] <JLuc> the icon launches pcmanfm !
[20:18] <JLuc> and alt F2 nautilus launchs pcmanfm aswell !
[20:19] <JLuc> well...
[20:19] <JLuc> i'll keep keep some more with pcmanfm
[20:19] <JLuc> maybe  lubuntu is less newbee friendly as ubuntu ?
[20:20] <Yorvyk> Yes No Maybe
[20:20] <bioterror> it is
[20:20] <bioterror> but you can handle configuring openbox with text editor, it's okay
[20:21] <Yorvyk> It’s assumed that a Newbie would stick with the default applications
[20:21] <JLuc> ok i can stick with pcmanfm
[20:22] <JLuc> however nautilus seemed to have a search ability
[20:22] <JLuc> Ooah nevermind
[20:24] <Yorvyk> Nautilus does have search but I tend to use 'find'
[20:25] <phillw> Yorvyk: 'locate' is also a good one to master :)
[20:26] <Yorvyk> phillw, yep I keep forgetting that one
[20:26] <bioterror> find / |grep word
[20:27] <bioterror> you dont need that database
[20:27] <phillw> locate == where the blooming heck did I put that file :P
[20:28] <phillw> bioterror: as we have the dayabase, we may as well use it :)
[20:28] <phillw> *dayabase*
[20:28] <phillw> *database*..... Grrrrr...
[20:28] <bioterror> and updatedb requires to have computer open around 3am or something it used to be
[20:29] <phillw> bioterror: as mine is on 24/7, that is not a problem :D
[20:29] <bioterror> well same for me
[20:33] <JLuc> i typed man find and got 10 pages of doc !
[20:33] <bioterror> JLuc, info is okay too, it's more interactive
[20:33] <JLuc> lxterminal
[20:33] <JLuc> oups
[20:34] <JLuc> but couldnt manage to get out of it and had to kill the console...
[20:34] <bioterror> q usually works
[20:34] <JLuc> ah !
[20:35] <JLuc> yesterday i'm glad i managed to add skype into the autostart apps !
[20:35] <JLuc> that was not easy neither
[20:35] <bioterror> hahaha, true dat
[20:35] <bioterror> it could be done a little more easier in lxde
[20:35] <bioterror> or openbox
[20:37] <Yorvyk> Pity skype is down though
[20:39] <JLuc> ok so .deskto files are shortcuts.
[20:39] <JLuc> .desktop
[20:39] <bioterror> yes
[20:39] <bioterror> "launchers"
[20:40] <JLuc> fine
[20:42] <JLuc> well i was wrong : nautilus launches nautilus ok
[20:43] <JLuc> it looks much the same as pcmanfm
[20:43] <JLuc> but there is a search option !
[20:43] <JLuc> in int
[20:43] <JLuc> in it
[20:44] <JLuc> now i have problem installing dropbox
[20:44] <JLuc> there are 2 versions : ubuntu 32 and ubuntu 64
[20:45] <JLuc> in the system profiler i dont see whether it is 32 or 64
[20:46] <JLuc> however there are lots of technical specs appearing there
[20:46] <bioterror> open terminal
[20:46] <bioterror> uname -a
[20:46] <bioterror> if it says i686 it's 32bit
[20:46] <bioterror> if it says amd64, it's 64
[20:46] <JLuc> ok thanks !
[20:47] <JLuc> so i downloaded ubuntu 32
[20:47] <JLuc> its a .deb
[20:47] <bioterror> $ apt-cache search dropbox
[20:47] <bioterror> dropbox - secure backup, sync and sharing util
[20:47] <bioterror> why not use apt-get install dropbox?
[20:48] <JLuc> i dont know these commands
[20:48] <JLuc> i cant get the .deb to launch
[20:48] <JLuc> i try apt-get install dropbox
[20:49] <JLuc> with sudo
[20:49] <bioterror> yes
[20:50] <JLuc> but there is a lock : /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[20:50] <JLuc> not available
[20:51] <Yorvyk> JLuc, do you have synaptic open
[20:51] <JLuc> maybe some other process uses it
[20:51] <JLuc> yes it was
[20:51] <JLuc> i closed it
[20:51] <JLuc> its better now
[20:51] <JLuc> but i guess i must do that in the download directory
[20:54] <JLuc> there is a nautilus-dropbox_0.6.7_i386.deb	file in the dl dir
[20:54] <JLuc> when i sudo apt-get install dropbox
[20:55] <JLuc> it reads the packets ("paquets" in french) ok
[20:55] <JLuc> it reads the states ok
[20:55] <JLuc> but cannot find the dropbox packet
[20:58] <JLuc> amof it might be a plugin for nautilus
[20:59] <JLuc> ok i will follow http://wiki.dropbox.com/TipsAndTricks/TextBasedLinuxInstall
[21:00] <JLuc> errrrr
[21:00] <bioterror> take it easy
[21:00] <bioterror> you're rushing now
[21:00] <bioterror> dpkg -L dropbox
[21:01] <bioterror> tells what files it did install
[21:01] <bioterror> and usually from /usr/bin/ you can find executable file
[21:02] <Yorvyk> There should be an entry in the Internet menu which you click to continue the installation
[21:07] <JLuc> no the .deb was very small and didnt install anything it was just a kind of launcher
[21:07] <JLuc> but now i managed to install dropbox
[21:07] <JLuc> using the link page
[21:07] <bioterror> :D
[21:07] <JLuc> it works fine :-)
[21:08] <JLuc> yep
[21:08] <bioterror> dep is like .msi file on windows
[21:08] <bioterror> .deb
[21:10] <JLuc> ok thank you all
[21:10] <JLuc> i manage to do the important things
[21:10] <JLuc> thats what matters
[21:14] <JLuc> Bye !


[09:57] <jam> timClicks, are you around today? are we still doing the charming doc meeting? I know both Facundo and chipaca are out, and I didn't know if you were or not
[09:59] <timClicks> jam: yes, I had intended on being there.. but I'm happy to chat you to later in the week
[09:59] <jam> timClicks, I'm happy to be there, we can talk through what you commented on last week.
[10:00] <timClicks> perfect
[10:00] <timClicks> jam: would you like to chat now rather than in 30 mins?
[10:01] <timClicks> jam: actually, I've just noticed that niemeyer has indicated that he would like to take part
[14:02] <achilleasa> hml: can I get a CR on https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11526 please? QA steps will take a while... sorry ;-)
[14:08] <hml> achilleasa:  sure
[14:42] <hml> achilleasa:  line 46 of: https://pastebin.canonical.com/p/b46yRMvvmJ/
[14:42] <hml> ran the k8s charm qa steps.  unsure of the last result
[14:45] <achilleasa> hml: that looks correct. If you don't set the application databag via mariadb-k8s/0 it shows up empty
[14:46] <achilleasa> note that these charms are pre 2.7 so they are storing the credentials in the unit databags
[14:46] <achilleasa> instead of the app one
[14:46] <hml> achilleasa:  am i using the correct charms/ bundle then?
[14:47] <achilleasa> yes. you need to run the 'relation-set' command from the QA steps to populate the databag
[14:48] <achilleasa> if you run the last command on rc0 you would hit the bug
[14:48] <hml> achilleasa: i only ran relation-set on 1 of the units, not both
[14:49] <achilleasa> hml: yes, you ran it on /1 which is not the leader so nothing got set
[14:49] <achilleasa> (the set reported an error in the pastebin output)
[14:51] <hml> achilleasa:  crap - hit a new bug after i added a model to the controller to start over…. : ERROR cannot deploy bundle: cannot deploy application "mariadb-k8s": cannot add application "mariadb-k8s": series "kubernetes" in a non container model not valid.
[14:52] <hml> achilleasa:  nm… let me figure this out. s omething is off in my config
[15:38] <jam> achilleasa, https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11527 adds appropriate behavior to 'juju debug-code'
[15:38] <jam> and adds tests of how debugAt interacts with shell scripts.
[15:39]  * jam eod
[16:01] <hml> achilleasa:  is it necessary to update the uniter api version?  i’m having an internal debate
[16:09] <achilleasa> hml: since rc0 is out we need to if we want to ensure a proper upgrade path, right?
[16:24] <hml> achilleasa:  rc0 would be fuzzy for me with this.  better safe than sorry though
[16:30] <jam> achilleasa, we have only officially released beta1, right?
[16:30] <jam> rc1 is the 'edge' not officially released
[16:30] <jam> achilleasa, so we have to have a way to *upgrade* from beta1 to final, but that doesn't mean beta1 has to be compatible with final
[16:31] <jam> achilleasa, so if what you are changing would affect *upgrade* then you definitely need to version it. if there is an error, but upgrading still works, that is ok.
[16:35] <achilleasa> jam: I bumped it to be on the safe side as I was not entirely sure about facade schemas (my change adds a new call) and pylibjuju
[16:46] <hml> achilleasa:  a comment and a question.
[21:05]  * thumper is looking at a very mocked worker trying to work out how to write a test for the current failure
[21:26] <thumper> :( I can't help feel that these tests are racy
[21:26] <thumper> perhaps I don't understand the mocks
[22:43] <babbageclunk> kelvinliu: if you're around could you take a look at https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11528 please?
[23:02] <kelvinliu> babbageclunk: sure
[23:03] <kelvinliu> babbageclunk: could u take look this one as well https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11505 please?


[06:58] <dholbach> good morning
[08:42] <MooDoo> morning
[08:49] <Claudinux> hi MooDoo
[08:49] <MooDoo> Claudinux: hullo :)


[00:17] <noaxess_mobile> hey all
[00:18] <noaxess_mobile> upgraded to 13.10 now i see login screen but can't login.. i can enter password and press enter.. after 2seconds logon screen is back
[00:19] <noaxess_mobile> have nvidia on a asus n76vz
[00:38] <noaXess> hi there
[00:39] <noaXess> my problem.. upgraded right now a machine from 13.04 to 13.10.. and now i get X.Org Segmentation fault at address 0x88
[00:45] <noaXess> back.. grrr
[00:46] <noaXess> thats what i get, if i try to login on the upgraded 13.10 machine http://paste.ubuntu.com/6373686/
[00:46] <noaXess> any elp is welcome
[00:47] <gassho> aloha
[00:56] <noaXess> hey gassho
[00:56] <noaXess> any hint about my problem?
[01:06] <ablyss> noaXess, looks like you could disable glx
[01:06] <noaXess> how to?
[01:10] <ablyss> noaXess, see http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Kubuntu:Saucy  search keyword "Reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[01:11] <ablyss> noaXess, maybe sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg would reset to default mesa driver until you fix the other problem
[01:11] <noaXess> i dont have any /etc/X11/xorg.conf.. so just sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[01:12] <ablyss> noaXess, i would guess yes, shouldn't hurt
[01:13] <noaXess> no way :(
[01:13] <gassho> how do i download complete kubuntu 13.10 source :V
[01:14] <noaXess> i also cant get into cli with CTRL+ALT+F1
[01:14] <noaXess> ablyss: restart after reconfigure or just restart lightdm?
[01:14] <jalcine> gassho: that's a lot of code; I can tell you how to get KDE's sources
[01:14] <ablyss> noaXess, yes that's good TTY1 works.  There you can sudo service lightdm restart
[01:15] <noaXess> ablyss: i can't to to tty.. i'm on the machine from remote over ssh..
[01:15] <noaXess> thats the prob..
[01:15] <noaXess> with 13.04 all has worked fine.. and the intel grafic too...
[01:15] <gassho> 'Could not download all repository indexes'
[01:15] <noaXess> and now.. nothing.. grrr
[01:16] <gassho> how dear jalcine
[01:16] <ablyss> noaXess, just sudo service lightdm restart will suffice
[01:16] <ablyss> noaXess,  no need to reboot
[01:17] <noaXess> but no luck.. same problem, error after enter password and login
[01:17] <jalcine> gassho: using kdesrc-build; a lá apt-get
[01:17] <noaXess> ablyss: reinstall anything? xorg. intel driver?
[01:17] <ablyss> noaXess, sounds like the video card is not supported fully.  hmmm
[01:17] <noaXess> ablyss: in this machine.. also a nvidia card is integrated..
[01:18] <noaXess> but main card is the intel..
[01:18] <noaXess> nvidia is only usable with bumblebee.
[01:18] <noaXess> ablyss: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6373815/
[01:18] <ablyss> noaXess, perhaps switch to VGI.  turn off DVI/hdmi in bios
[01:19] <ablyss> VGA sry
[01:19] <noaXess> ??
[01:19] <noaXess> the notebook display is connected to the intel card
[01:19] <ablyss> noaXess, oh... that's true..
[01:19] <noaXess> and i can't disable hdmi in bios..
[01:20] <ablyss> noaXess, righty.. you  might need to remvoe the nvidia module
[01:20] <noaXess> ablyss: all of them http://paste.ubuntu.com/6373820/
[01:21] <noaXess> all which ar ii, right=
[01:21] <noaXess> all which ar ii, right?
[01:21] <ablyss> noaXess, i would yes
[01:23] <ablyss> noaXess, i notice you dont have nvidia-current listed
[01:23] <noaXess> yes.. it a newer one..
[01:26] <noaXess> ablyss: still no luck ... uaaaa
[01:26] <noaXess> i think it a intel driver problem.. hm..
[01:28] <ablyss> noaXess, maybe this will help http://askubuntu.com/questions/307452/geforce-gt650m-laptop-driver
[01:28] <noaXess> ablyss: this is strange.. its a asus 76vz but look here: Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. N56VZ
[01:30] <noaXess> asus n76vz
[01:31] <ablyss> noaXess, also check this out http://www.nvidia.de/object/cuda_1_1_beta.html
[01:31] <noaXess> it's not nvidia specifix i think.. cause main grafic is intel..
[01:33] <ablyss> noaXess, nope its intel with nvidia VGA
[01:34] <noaXess> ablyss: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6373871/
[01:34] <noaXess> ok.. so you mean nvidia driver need to be installed?
[01:34] <ablyss> noaXess, from what I can tell it's nvidia VGA
[01:35] <ablyss> noaXess, http://support.asus.com/download.aspx?SLanguage=en&m=N76VZ&os=30
[01:35] <noaXess> ill install back nvidia-current
[01:35] <noaXess> ablyss: i see.. but there are two grafic drivers..
[01:35] <noaXess> one for nvidia another for intel
[01:36] <ablyss> noaXess, oh sure is.  I see three. two for nvidia and one for intel
[01:36] <noaXess> but if i look at X.org.0.log it breaks on intel (0)
[01:36] <noaXess> WUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[01:37] <noaXess> installed nvida-current.. and YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[01:37] <noaXess> seas nvidia-319 is buggy for kernel 3.11
[01:37] <ablyss> noaXess, nvidia-current worked?
[01:38] <noaXess> wait.. gimme a minute.. right back ;)
[01:38] <noaXess1> here i am ;)
[01:38] <noaXess1> come back soon
[01:39] <noaXess> here i am realy ;)
[01:39] <noaXess> ablyss: thanks.. for hint ;)
[01:40] <ablyss> noaXess, sure thing..  i'm glad i could be hintful :-)
[01:40] <noaXess> whats now.. seams effects are not enabled .. hm.
[01:41] <noaXess> now just bring back desktop effects.. cause i love them.. now just a 2d desktop..
[01:41] <ablyss> noaXess, shift+Alt+F12
[01:41] <noaXess> no fading and so on..
[01:42] <noaXess> seams destkp effect system not running
[01:43] <noaXess> will try reinstall nvidia-319.. maybe if it is new compiled for kernel 3.11 it works...
[01:44] <gassho> :T
[01:45] <gassho> i meant the source for all the packages
[01:46] <noaXess> ok.. now also with nvidia-319 it works.. hm... bu no desktop effects..
[02:08] <trung_> exit
[02:28] <noaXess> ablyss: i got effects back ;) https://plus.google.com/105093959267719281067/posts/LcTyfzwcAXt
[04:00] <jalcine> noaXess: the best part of KDE ;)
[04:29] <Guest901> test
[04:30] <MangaKaDenza> test  denied
[04:39] <demsking__> hi
[05:39] <TheyTookErJobs> Hello all, I just installed Kubuntu and I must say - it's beautiful.
[05:44] <TheyTookErJobs> I don't see any file browsers though?
[05:44] <TheyTookErJobs> oh, Dolphin, n/m
[05:51] <TheyTookErJobs> Anyone alive?
[05:59] <MangaKaDenza> hai
[06:03] <TheyTookErJobs> Hey Manga, how are ya? This rooms a lively bunch at night ;)
[06:03] <MangaKaDenza> :P
[06:04] <TheyTookErJobs> I just installed Kubuntu for the first time tonight. First time experiencing KDE as well and it's beautiful.
[06:04] <TheyTookErJobs> It really is, it's fantastic
[06:04] <MangaKaDenza> yep
[06:04] <TheyTookErJobs> No need for unity or gnome hah
[06:05] <TheyTookErJobs> KDE was the last one I tried
[06:05] <TheyTookErJobs> I can't seem to get the right default sound output to show in my master volume though? I went into the mixer and set the right one as the master but it still controls some other sound device I didn't know I had
[06:11] <TheyTookErJobs> ah I got it. Had to select the other one even though it was showing as the master and then back to the real one. weird bug.
[07:50] <eagles0513875> hey all I have tried everything under the sun to get my track pad working even stuff I have found online its an elantech trackpad and im at my wits end. I have never had this happen in kubuntu with any release I have used. anyone have any ideas
[07:53] <jussi> eagles0513875: have you tired this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2071125 (youll need to translate the gnome specific commands, but otherwise should work
[07:53] <eagles0513875> jussi: yes and still nothing
[07:55] <jussi> eagles0513875: there are several solutions, the best on seems to be blacklisting, noted abit further down. also, note the turning it on at login item
[07:56] <eagles0513875> tried turning it on at login time and nothing, but how would i determine what i need to black list?
[07:57] <mah454> Hello
[07:58] <mah454> Please view this picture : http://pbrd.co/1iOrP4Z and this paste : http://pastebin.com/r70vbhQd
[07:58] <mah454> I can not use kaddressbook
[07:58] <mah454> How can fix it ?
[08:02] <jussi> eagles0513875: the thread tells you which module (never mind the name)
[08:02] <eagles0513875> ok will try them out
[08:03] <eagles0513875> on a different note jussi is there a way in kmix to set permanently which master channel to use as it seems to revert to the one which doesnt work after a reboot
[08:03] <jussi> mah454: Ive no idea how to fix that, perhaps try #kontact ?
[08:04] <jussi> eagles0513875: system settings/multimedia/audio and video settings then make the one you want highest priority (I think that is what you are asking)
[08:05] <eagles0513875> O_o i changed the default in there already and its working just fine as i had no audio output when i first started.
[08:05] <eagles0513875> kmix on the other hand uses the channel which has no output as the master by default. I go in and change it from the kmix master channel select menu but on reboot it doesnt use that same setting
[08:06] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:09] <eagles0513875> hey lordievader
[09:31] <chuwie> hi guys! my setup: kubuntu 13.10, laptop and an external monitor, I want to have a panel on both Monitors (easy) but when I am using just the laptop the panel of my external monitor is shown on the laptop monitor - how can i change that?
[10:16] <Wizard> chuwie: I belive panel has an something like "omnipresent".
[10:16] <Wizard> "An something", sheesh ;P
[10:18] <Wizard> How did you set panel to appear on both screens? You added new panel?
[10:20] <chuwie> i added a new one on my 2nd screen
[10:21] <chuwie> and when I'm going out with my laptop the panel of the 2nd screen appears as well...
[10:21] <Wizard> That's quite logical, you have *two* panels, KDE rearanges them when you turn your seconf monitor off ;)
[10:22] <chuwie> i just switched from gnome to kde so everything is quite new (and better as far as i can see)
[10:22] <chuwie> ok... i didn't know that.. thx wizard
[10:22] <Wizard> Don't worry, I belive KDE has some setting for you.
[10:23] <Wizard> Either check in systemsettings, on click that blob at the end of your panel and look through "more options"
[10:23] <Wizard> There should be something like 'show on all screens'.
[10:24] <chuwie> I will check that out when I am back home! KDE has so much settings - but finally I can customize my desktop out of the box.
[10:34] <Wizard> chuwie: Some conside multitude of options as a blessing. Some - as a nightmare.
[10:37] <chuwie> Wizard: true.. I was quite happy with gnome - until the started to remove stuff...
[10:37] <chuwie> *they
[10:39] <Wizard> Same could be say about KDE. Things change. Some people are happy with changes, others aren't. Nothing unusual.
[10:39] <Wizard> For example, I was mad when linux distros started upgrading KDE 1 to KDE 2.
[10:40] <Wizard> Many people was.
[10:40] <Wizard> Same thing happened during 3 to 4 transition.
[12:20] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[12:21] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[12:58] <apel7> hi, is anybody there willing to help me? I'm doing a course about free software and I need to interview someone involved in free software projects. Is anybody interested in answering some questions? It's only about 15 questions. Thank you
[13:00] <chaudhary> I'm free right now apel7 :)
[13:00] <BluesKaj> apel7. best to ask the devs in #kubuntu-devel or #kde-devel
[13:00] <Wizard> Yup.
[13:00] <apel7> ok, thank you
[13:02] <Wizard> BluesKaj is involved in Kubuntu dev process too!
[13:02]  * Wizard hides.
[13:04] <[Raiden]> I want to install 4.11.3, but I have to wait ...
[13:04] <Wizard> Wait for what?
[13:05] <BluesKaj> I don't do polls , his request has nothing to do wit kubuntu support and I'm not developer , but I am a tester, Wizard
[13:05] <Wizard> :>
[13:06] <[Raiden]> Wizard: no builds for Kubuntu
[13:06] <Wizard> Well, since .3 is a patch release it should apear in main repos soon.
[13:06] <Wizard> No need to hurry.
[13:07] <[Raiden]> ok )
[13:07] <Wizard> In 13.10.
[13:09] <BluesKaj> [Raiden]. make sure you have your backport repos enabled and when it's available you'll just need to upgrade
[13:10] <Wizard> Oh, so .3 won't hit official repos?
[13:10] <Wizard> Or will, but later later?
[13:11] <BluesKaj> usually later
[13:12] <[Raiden]> t's all clear. I would like to say that makes longer than I would like. In opensuse already available.  :)
[13:13] <BluesKaj> but I'm not sure how much later since I don't pay much attention after I have it
[13:13] <Wizard> Well, since KDE is essential part of Kubuntu and it is big, adaptation can take some time.
[13:14] <BluesKaj> [Raiden]. it's not a big change anyway , barely notice any difference
[13:14] <BluesKaj> the big changeis coming with KDE 5 methinks
[13:15] <jussi> nah, kde5 change wont be like the kde3->4 change
[13:15] <Wizard> Rather like 2->3.
[13:16] <BluesKaj> jussi. well I hope not , that was almost a complete disaster
[13:17] <BluesKaj> ruined kmail and kontact for me , just as an example
[13:17] <jussi> kmail is ok, works for me (Im using it on a daily basis at work)
[13:17] <jussi> kontact also
[13:18] <BluesKaj> not here , it segfaults after a week or so
[13:24] <alvin> Kmail works fine here (at the moment). But every hour or so, plasma-desktop crashes and comes back again.
[13:27] <student> tüdelü
[13:28] <student> whats up
[13:29] <BluesKaj> student. kubuntu support , if you need it :)
[13:29] <BluesKaj> alvin. have you updated/upgraded lately?
[13:30] <student> heuren david
[13:30] <student_> mooin
[13:30] <alvin> BluesKaj: Yes, to 13.10. But I remember it happening before. KDE version on raring was the same, right? (when using kubuntu-ppa)
[13:32] <BluesKaj> alvin. do you mean the backports ?
[13:33] <alvin> BluesKaj: yes
[13:34] <BluesKaj> could be a graphics glitch too , alvin , I don't recall many similar issues with other users, alvin
[13:34] <alvin> It's random. Several times during the day. Graphic driver is nouveau.
[13:36] <Wizard> alvin: Is anything being printed to .xsession-errors during crash?
[13:36] <BluesKaj> then you have an nvidia gpu , have you considered the additional drivers available in kmenu>apps>system ?
[13:36] <BluesKaj> alvin.^
[13:36] <alvin> BluesKaj: considered, yes. But I'd rather use the open source drivers for stability.
[13:36] <alvin> Let me see...
[13:37] <BluesKaj> uhm, well doesn't seem stable to me
[13:37] <alvin> Script for cjkv started at run_im.
[13:37] <alvin> Script for default started at run_im.
[13:37] <Wizard> Nothing special :(
[13:37] <alvin> That's the contents of .xsession-errors.
[13:37] <Wizard> When plasma crashes, does KDE spit its crash report window?
[13:38] <BluesKaj> alvin. have you even tried the proprietary drivers , they are very stable on most nvidia equipped pcs
[13:39] <alvin> I believe so. I normally read it every time nepomuk/virtuoso/akonadi crashes, but the plasma-desktop actually recovers. I'll see if I can read something next time.
[13:39] <alvin> BluesKaj: Yes, but it was years ago.
[13:39] <alvin> I believe in the open source drivers, so I use them. If something goes wrong, I'll be sure to report it :-)
[13:40] <BluesKaj> alvin. then don't carry an opinion for yrs that isn't valid anymore
[13:41] <alvin> I can imagine the nVidia drivers to be faster, but not to be more integrated with the rest of the system.
[13:42] <Wizard> I belive this may be bug.
[13:43] <alvin> Switching between X and the command line was easier with the open source drivers. It might be that this has changed of course.  This is my workstation at work. On my laptop the proprietary drivers don't detect the DPI correctly, while nouveau does. So, it's really easier.
[13:47] <student__> jo als pute
[13:48] <BluesKaj> student__. English please or join #ubuntu-de
[13:48] <alvin> I think nouveau as default was and is still a good choice.
[13:48] <student> safd
[13:48] <student___> 8[13:48] <student___> decken bunnes
[13:48] <student> penisverlängerungsgerär
[13:48] <student___> xD
[13:48] <student__> deng mamm jitzt op dech
[13:48] <student> Blueskaj shudup bitsch
[13:48] <student> *bitch
[13:48] <BluesKaj> alvin. not if plasma keeps crashing intermittently
[13:49] <alvin> I doubt that that's the reason, but I'll try to find out.
[13:49] <BluesKaj> !COC | student
[13:52] <BluesKaj> alvin. it's certainly worth a try tho.
[13:53] <alvin> BluesKaj: True. i'll wait for another crash and after that, I'll switch the driver. That's still by using jockey, no?
[13:56] <BluesKaj> alvin , the additional drivers GUI in kmenu>apps>system, is the best method and it uses jockey
[13:56] <alvin> thx
[14:09] <BluesKaj> IdleOne. , ah , you picked up on all the joins from one IP ...good eyes
[14:10] <IdleOne> I figured they might get bored, they didn't :/
[14:10] <Wizard> IdleOne++
[14:11] <BluesKaj> yeah , silly stuff , thinking all those joins would muck things up for us
[14:11] <eagles0513875> hey agai n
[14:21] <konsu> Wizard: then let us be happy about how things are now... and welcome change :D
[14:26] <Wizard> konsu: ?
[14:27] <konsu> Wizard: former chuwie
[14:28] <Wizard> You change nicks often than I change pants.
[14:29] <konsu> lolz - just forgot to change it back and now i am to lazy to do it...
[14:39] <Wizard> konsu: So, did you find this setting?
[14:57] <konsu> Wizard: not home yet.. still sitting in Uni, Software Quality lecture
[14:57] <Wizard> Boring! Go home and code something useful.
[14:57] <Wizard> Nobody cares about software quality. Trust me. I'm an engeeneer.
[14:58] <konsu> Wizard: I can't otherwise i will not get a mark
[14:58] <Wizard> (And let's take it to #kubuntu-offtopic)
[14:58] <konsu> k
[15:14] <ovidiu-florin> I just installed a 12.04.3 at someone, and installed all the updates using a 3G modem. I can't get the DSL connection to work. it just won't connect. what am I missing? is there something broken?
[15:17] <alvin> I haven't used DSL in years. Maybe an extra package is needed? Let's see...
[15:17] <genii> ovidiu-florin: Did you go through the checklist: Cord is good? Ethernet adapter works? Router/modem is doing the authentication and just giving DHCP to computer? Ethernet adapter is brought up last so that it's settings are the ones being used?
[15:18] <ovidiu-florin> genii: Everything works on windows. There is no router/modem envolved. It's a direct connection using pppoe
[15:18] <alvin> My first idea was a missing network-manager-pptp package, but that seems to be installed by default
[15:19] <alvin> No modem involved?
[15:19] <alvin> ovidiu-florin: Do you mean, a LAN connection? What device creates the connection? The pc?
[15:20] <ovidiu-florin> alvin: yes. maybe it's the internal "modem" of the laptop. But I'm connecting using an standard RJ-45 cable
[15:20] <ovidiu-florin> alvin: yes
[15:21] <alvin> If you're using RJ45 the modem creates the connection.
[15:21] <genii> There must be a modem of some sort in the equation. Perhaps it's in bridged mode and the PC has to do the auth
[15:21] <alvin> So, what network devices do you have? eth0 I suppose?
[15:21] <ovidiu-florin> I have a cable that comes from a ISP device on the hallway to all the neighbours as an upt cable with an rj-45 at the end
[15:21] <CollinAspire> Hi
[15:22] <alvin> ovidiu-florin: Try the command nm-tool and look for "Device"
[15:23] <ovidiu-florin> alvin: I'm not at that computer right now
[15:23] <ovidiu-florin> but I've also found that problem with every Kubuntu I've used on that tipe of connection
[15:24] <alvin> Oh, ok. Well, if you don't have to do any settings in Windows, it should be the same in Kubuntu. Kubuntu uses NetworkManager, and when you put in a cable, that'll ask an address by DHCP.
[15:25] <ovidiu-florin> I have to do something in windows
[15:25] <ovidiu-florin> alvin: here: http://tutoriale.eul.ro/aplicatii/cum-se-creeaza-conexiune-de-internet-pppoe-de-la-rds-in-windows-xp-tutorial/
[15:25] <ovidiu-florin> it's in romanian
[15:26] <ovidiu-florin> but the images are in english
[15:26] <ovidiu-florin> this is how it must be done on windows
[15:26]  * Wizard lurks only to check how does Romanian langage look :>
[15:27] <alvin> ovidiu-florin: I see. Well, then Kubuntu is more or less the same. There's a DSL type in NetworkManager
[15:27] <genii> So the modem is in bridged mode and the computers all authenticate to the ISP
[15:28] <genii> With this type of way, if you have more than 2-3 computers hooked up each authenticating, the ISP normally will only let only 2 connect at the same time. This is why most people would use a router in between to do the authentication instead.
[15:28] <ovidiu-florin> I know that
[15:28] <ovidiu-florin> the router is broken
[15:28] <ovidiu-florin> they'll get a new one later this month
[15:28] <alvin> That is correct. The trick is to let Windows end the connection and release the IP. (ipconfig /release)
[15:29] <ovidiu-florin> but this still needs to work.
[15:29] <alvin> ovidiu-florin: Have you tried using NetworkManager (Add Connection > DSL)
[15:29] <ovidiu-florin> yes
[15:29] <ovidiu-florin> and I've added the Username and password
[15:30] <ovidiu-florin> and used the defaults for the rest
[15:30] <ovidiu-florin> does not connect
[15:30] <alvin> ovidiu-florin: If that didn't work, look in /var/log/syslog what goes wrong when making the connection
[15:30] <ovidiu-florin> I've tried to check and uncheck the authentication and other things and still it does not connect
[15:30] <ovidiu-florin> aham
[15:30] <ovidiu-florin> I always forget about the logs
[15:31] <alvin> They can come in handy :-)
[15:31] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[15:31] <ovidiu-florin> hey lordievader
[15:31] <ovidiu-florin> any experience in pppoe connections in Kubuntu?
[15:31] <lordievader> Nope, sorry.
[15:36] <genii> ovidiu-florin: The alternate way is to use pppoeconf at commandline to set up the connection, then in /etc/network/interfaces to put a post-up directive of pon dsl-provider and a post-down directive of poff dsl-provider
[15:37] <genii> The pppoeconf package is usually on the CD/DVD so that you don't require a connection to install it
[15:38] <ovidiu-florin> I made it work like that once before, but why does  network manager work?
[15:38] <ovidiu-florin> still
[15:39] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: I tried to kill and restart plasma-desktop and no difference
[15:40] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: And restarting lightdm?
[15:41] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: haven't tried that
[15:41] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Also kill sigint (thought that was default) or sigkill (-9?) (not sure of the conversion.. let me check)
[15:42] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: I use pkill
[15:43] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: But just pkill? No additional flags?
[15:43] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: killed and started again plasma-desktop
[15:43] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: yup
[15:43] <ovidiu-florin> and it works now
[15:43] <ovidiu-florin> yeeey
[15:43] <ovidiu-florin> :D
[15:43] <ovidiu-florin> so it was owncloud
[15:44] <ovidiu-florin> aparently there is a probem in owncloud it it looses the connection to the server, it breaks plasma
[15:44] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: That is odd, file a bug ;)
[15:45] <ovidiu-florin> I don't know if I can deplicate this environment
[15:47] <bjrohan> For those who were helping me get my graphics and sound back on track after the 13.10 upgrade. They now work . .  I think. I have yet to replug into the HDMI output to TV, but it is all back to normal. For beats audio in the sound settings I changed from the intel =ref to hp_dv something or other
[15:52] <bjrohan> Hey everyone. I have been a Kubuntu user for a little over a year.  I like it. That being said I want to get more into the nuts and bolts of Linux, and honestly will need something that forces me to do so, or at least gives me more of a reason to. Does that make sense? Would arch do this
[15:53] <genii> bjrohan: For a good learning exercise about Linux in general, I would recommend to do at least once the Linux From Scratch
[15:53] <genii> !lfs
[15:55] <bjrohan> I had used Linux from scratch . . . in 1996 when I first used Linux via RedHat :-)
[15:55] <bjrohan> had to compile my own kernel with the correct drivers. But, that was long ago
[15:57] <bjrohan> genii: Another question, can I save the file in my home dir, and then reuse them when I switch to a new distro?
[15:58] <genii> bjrohan: If you are again using KDE desktop, all the stuff in /home/yourname/.kde   directory should still be relevant. But since different distros often use different paths for things, there may be some breakage on other things.
[15:59] <bjrohan> genii: gotcha, but if I install LibreOffice, all of those files will still work, mp3's etc
[16:00] <bjrohan> May have to redo desktop settings, etc
[16:00] <genii> bjrohan: LibreOffice I'm not sure. But if you just have say a bunch of mp3 in your Downloads folder or so, those will still be good of course
[16:01] <bjrohan> I figured as much, but just wanted some thoughts
[16:02] <bjrohan> I imagine I could use a Live USB to test it out and see?
[16:09] <ronnoc> Hi all. Can someone remind me of the app that lets you take 2 or 3 pictures and merges them into one allowing you to adjust the angles of the pictures, etc? Like the one used in the latest KDE announcement: http://kde.org/announcements/4.11/screenshots/jpg/send-later.jpg
[16:09] <ronnoc> I totally forgot the name >.<
[16:24] <genii> !info enblend
[16:28] <eagles0513875> any audio experts in here i change the master channel that kmix should use but on reboot it reverts to previous setting
[16:29] <eagles0513875> it seems like the settings for audio in system settings are totally ignored and at least what ever i change to there are ignored
[16:33] <wissam> Hi,kubuntu 13.10 freezes completely when unplugging charger at random times ,i try to boot with "edd=off" and so far no freezes happenned. so what does edd=off means?
[16:47] <george_> hello. where is the location folder of kde weather icons?
[17:14] <genii> george: It uses the icons of the theme you use. So /usr/share/icons/<theme-name>/ <icon-dimensions>/status/
[17:14] <ronnoc> thx genii!
[17:15] <genii> ronnoc: You're welcome
[17:17] <ovidiu-florin> genii: I have a kubuntu 13.10 in forn ot fme with the same pppoe connection
[17:17] <ovidiu-florin> how do I do this in the new interface?
[17:17] <ovidiu-florin> I don't see a connect button
[17:17] <ovidiu-florin> the eth0 network devide does not apear in the NM
[17:17] <ronnoc> genii: There was / is a GUI app for this as well, but the console version will work for me & is already installed by default.
[17:18] <ovidiu-florin> alvin: ^^
[17:19] <genii> ovidiu-florin: Probably will be not named eth0 but ppp0
[17:19] <genii> Apologies on lag, my work is somewhat busy right now.
[17:20] <ovidiu-florin> genii: I've added a dsl connection in the new network manager
[17:20] <ovidiu-florin> what now?
[17:24] <genii> ovidiu-florin: Can you ping any place?
[17:25] <ovidiu-florin> I'm also using wireless
[17:25] <ovidiu-florin> wireless is connected and it works
[17:25] <ovidiu-florin> and in the edit connections in NM it shows that the DSL is not connected
[17:27] <genii> ovidiu-florin: My connections are manually set in interfaces file so I don't normally bother with the network manager. But I think you can connect if it is double-clicked, or perhaps it's right click for context menu of connect/disconnect
[17:27] <ovidiu-florin> there is no context menu
[17:28] <genii> alvin or some other who uses NM regularly could probably assist more
[17:29] <genii> ovidiu-florin: Apologies on not being of more assistance, but as I said, I don't even normally use it :)
[18:17] <volkan> hello, do you know the reason why kde 4.11. update did not arrive for Kubuntu?
[18:25] <ovidiu-florin> volkan: not packaged yet?
[18:28] <soee> 4.11.3 ?
[18:53] <volkan> ovidiu-florin: i dont know, i guess, i have backports enabled but have not come yet
[18:53] <volkan> soee: yes
[18:56] <DarthCodus> My kubuntu freezes on wakeup from sustpend after the 13.10 upgrade
[18:56] <DarthCodus> the dmesg has:
[18:57] <DarthCodus> *ERROR* atombios stuck in loop for more than 5secs aborting
[18:57] <DarthCodus> errors
[18:57] <DarthCodus> thinsg have been fine with the 3.8.0-19 kernel though
[18:58] <Rory> DarthCodus: Just to clarify, you mean things are now fine, or things are now broken?
[18:58] <DarthCodus> Rory: they are broken on the newer kernel
[18:59] <Rory> DarthCodus: What hardware do you have, is it a laptop?
[18:59] <DarthCodus> yep
[19:04] <DarthCodus> it's a dell 7520, gpu: amd 7730m, cpu: i7-3612qm
[19:16] <DarthCodus> Rory: ^
[19:56] <gassho> how do i play a dvd on this here dragon player
[20:10] <genii> gassho: Usually Play Media... then choose Disc
[20:22] <Gabriella-Keilan> Why is it that every time I join a channel there is absolutely nothing going on? There are a lot of people here, but absolutely no activity other than xxx has joined, yyy has left.
[20:24] <Gabriella-Keilan> This is no use, I am out of here. Goodbye.
[20:28] <genii> No news is usually good news.
[20:29]  * genii goes back to coffee
[21:12] <glenrock> when i right click an open window and choose "Show a launcher when not running", how do you control the size of those launcher icons?