[01:12] <pmatulis> teward: not sure what you mean by 'isn't depending on the management features'. nothing is forcing you to send it management commands
[04:13] <ksx4system> what would be safest possible disk pool solution without hardware RAID controller? what would be safest filesystem?
[04:13] <ksx4system> (preferably something that works on 14.04 LTS)
[04:14] <sarnold> ksx4system: it's not exactly easy or transparent, but zfs provides checksums, compression, multiple redundancy methods to choose from
[04:14] <ksx4system> sarnold: unfortunately ZFS is insanely resource hungry :(
[04:15] <sarnold> ksx4system: there's a lot to learn about zfs before jumping in, http://zfsonlinux.org/ https://pthree.org/2012/12/04/zfs-administration-part-i-vdevs/ good starting points..
[04:15] <sarnold> ksx4system: oh? granted you do currently want a 64 bit system, but if you don't use dedup (and you shuoldn't use dedup) it shouldn't be too bad; lots of folks use it in 4 or 8 gig machines..
[04:15] <ksx4system> I'd like to build a server which eats up under 100W at full load (so some kind of 64-bit Atom board with 2-4GB of ram and four 2TB critical appliance grade disks)
[04:17] <ksx4system> is ZFS only solution (given that I'm going to build that array of super-expensive critical appliance grade disks)
[04:17] <sarnold> yeah that sounds like something zfs should do alright; you could do raidz2 if you want any two drives to die and IOPS aren't too important, or mirrors if iops are more important, but with mirrors only the 'right' two drives could die, hehe
[04:18] <sarnold> no, you could also use mdadm to build your system, but it doesn't do checksums; it's more designed to handle disks outright dying, rather than corrupting data slowly via cosmic rays
[04:18] <ksx4system> IOPS are quite important (it'll act as NAS for 3-4 of my desktop computers for nearly everything)
[04:18] <sarnold> I went right to zfs because you started with "safest" :)
[04:18] <ksx4system> I know, I know
[04:18] <ksx4system> but I don't want to wreck my ultra low power home with loud and extremely power hungry server to handle ZFS properly
[04:18] <sarnold> to be fair there's more people using mdadm than zfs on linux, but checksums and compression are good stuff..
[04:19] <sarnold> amen.
[04:20] <ksx4system> sarnold: if I don't really want ZFS (because of its requirements) - what else? mdadm with ext4?
[04:20] <sarnold> ksx4system: yeah, that's a decent second choice
[04:21] <ksx4system> how many drives could die in 4 disk array with this one?
[04:21] <ksx4system> (one for sure, two maybe?)
[04:21] <sarnold> two, if the right two die
[04:21] <ksx4system> yeah, not the 1+mirror1 drive
[04:23] <ksx4system> isn't it better to run ZFS on Solaris anyway?
[04:23] <sarnold> aha, here's the guide on md method, https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/advanced-installation.html
[04:23] <ksx4system> oh, one more thing: OS will not sit on data array
[04:23] <ksx4system> dedicated SSD for this
[04:24] <sarnold> perhaps; but the zfsonlinux software is storing unfathomable amounts of data at the moment and the devs only know a few data-loss events that were caused by the software
[04:25] <sarnold> that really helps, I think ubuntu's installer or boot or something is cranky with some kinds of md raid, and getting rpool on zfs is possible but looksl ike more effort than I want to spend :)
[04:25] <ksx4system> would it be safer to just buy hardware RAID card for PCI-express and run two RAID1/one RAID10/one RAID5 or even 6?
[04:26] <sarnold> I don't much like the hardware raid solutions, I've heard of too many cases of the raid card dying and the resulting pile of disks not reassembling when the card is replaced
[04:26] <ksx4system> sarnold: while music, those ultra large backup tarballs and other non-exec stuff could live on HDD operating systems are unsusably slow without SSD
[04:26] <ksx4system> and 16-32Gb ones are really cheap
[04:26] <sarnold> other people swear by them, of course, they sell like hotcakes :) -- but I'd rather have something that is software only so I stand a chance of rebuilding it without exotic or expensive or high-end services..
[04:27] <sarnold> hehe, I've had my eye on those pcie intel 750 ssd monsters for a while.. $950 for 1.2 tb of 400kiops.
[04:28] <ksx4system> an example: server dies, I move disks to new identical one (software RAID) - do I have 100% chance to access my data again?
[04:28] <ksx4system> (ofc given that hard drives are ok)
[04:28] <sarnold> ksx4system: yeah, assuming the drives survive
[04:28] <ksx4system> ok, so I don't care about hardware cards (more money to build server, less reliable solution)
[04:28] <sarnold> right
[04:30]  * ksx4system will backup most important stuff to some cheapskate board like Orange Pi/Banana Pi with 1Tb 2,5" drive on SATA anyway
[04:31] <ksx4system> and the uber important stuff on DVDs also
[04:31] <ksx4system> is there anything to improve?
[04:31] <sarnold> good plan, raid is for availability, not to avoid backups :)
[04:31] <ksx4system> I never really did backups
[04:32] <ksx4system> after another lost drive (80% data retrieved, the rest... well, fsck it) I've decided to backup *everything possible*
[04:32] <ksx4system> daily
[04:32] <sarnold> you may wish to look into systems with multiple NICs that you can gang together to get e.g. 2gig ethernet out of them; doing LACP may require a nicer switch, too, but might be worth it i fyou'v egot several machines doing IO to it at once
[04:33] <ksx4system> well, those will be 100Base-T boxes (two Raspberry Pis, one Intel Compute Stick with USB 100Base-T and another Raspberry Pi)
[04:33] <sarnold> one nice thing about zfs is you can use an ssd as both l2arc and slog, to handle data that hasn't fallen out of RAM and to take bursts of synchronous storage requests faster than spinning metal drives can keep up
[04:33] <ksx4system> single gigabit will handle it without even hitting 50% load
[04:33] <sarnold> ohhh, so the l2arc and slog probably aren't a big deal either :)
[04:34] <ksx4system> laptops will sync over Wi-Fi so the same crappy performance
[04:35] <ksx4system> still, I have quad 100Base-T nic - I could use it for those tiny computers on desktop
[04:36] <sarnold> do you use those little pis and intel compute stick as desktops? server things? bridges to devices?
[04:36] <ksx4system> desktops
[04:36] <sarnold> how do they work out for that?
[04:37] <ksx4system> ICS is wonderful for low resource stuff (LibreOffice, Spotify, HexChat, Cygwin, modern browser)
[04:37] <sarnold> when I installed my pandaboard es I played in the desktop for ten minutes and thought it did well enough but I never _used_ it..
[04:37] <ksx4system> one Pi runs RISC OS (B+ and it's blazing fast)
[04:37] <ksx4system> but RISC OS will be blazing fast on anything 200MHz+
[04:38] <ksx4system> another one will run... some kind of Linux, i've got to install stuff there (probably bare-bones Ubuntu/Debian with Fluxbox)
[04:39] <ksx4system> for more demanding tasks (audio editing) I still have that old quadcore/16Gb RAM/500+1000 HDDs/60 SSD
[04:39] <ksx4system> 90% of time I'm happy with those ultra low power boxes :)
[04:40] <ksx4system> btw ICS feels faster than dual core AMD box with 5Gb ram but only HDD (320Gb, for system and data)
[04:41] <sarnold> wow
[04:41] <ksx4system> this one is ultra-sluggish and will retire as soon as I'll finish with Pi2
[04:41] <sarnold> it's been so long since I used hard-drive based OS, it's hard to even remember those days..
[04:42] <ksx4system> I was forced to do so (failed power supply in quad core monster, failed motherboard in monster ThinkPad)
[04:42] <ianorlin> sarnold: yeah I can relate to that I have an ssd in my core 2 duo laptop and it feels much more responsive than a junky hp laptop with a 5400 rpm drive
[04:42] <sarnold> ksx4system: ouch :/
[04:42] <ksx4system> ianorlin: good SD card is faster than 5400k drive...
[04:42] <sarnold> ianorlin: yeah, an ssd is a cheap way to bring an older system back to life for a while..
[04:43] <ksx4system> i3 dual 1,33GHz laptop with two gigs of ram and SSD faster than its SATA bus = this thing fscking flies
[04:43] <sarnold> my panda killed an sd card in ~one year of light torrenting, package updates, light logging..
[04:44] <ksx4system> I log to ram (and copy periodically to USB drive)
[04:44] <ksx4system> noatime mounts
[04:44] <ksx4system> cards live more than two years without problems
[04:44] <ianorlin> yeah but it won't magically give it vt-x so I still can't host virtual machines on my laptop, I can however over ssh use virt0manager and even create them with that
[04:45] <ksx4system> ianorlin, omg no vt-x/amdv
[04:45]  * ksx4system doesn't even remember seeing desktop/laptop box that old
[04:45] <sarnold> ksx4system: yeah.. no more torrenting on that machine for me, and the second card seems to hav elsated 1.2 years or so now :)
[04:45] <ianorlin> althogh since I got this beast desktop I have done so many testcases in virtual machines to help quality
[04:46] <ksx4system> even ICS has vt-x (but it's useless with two gigs of ram)
[04:47] <ianorlin> is setting up vnc on the ICS hard? putting it in the back of a tv and running like inkscape on it could do interesting stuff like dnd maps in inkscape
[04:48] <ksx4system> ianorlin: no, just install your VNC server of choice :) quadcore Atom will take care
[04:49] <ksx4system> but it might not support your TV (only goes up to 1920x1080, nothing higher)
[04:50] <ksx4system> not even 1920x1440 (those huge LCDs)
[04:50] <ianorlin> ksx4system: unfortaenly my tvs are ancient it doesn't have component out
[04:51] <ksx4system> only HDMI :( but accepts HDMI-DVI dumb converter (but then you have to use USB soundcard/DAC)
[04:51] <ksx4system> and yes, afaik it will boot Linux (but it'll break warranty to install it on eMMC instead of Windows 8)
[04:53]  * ksx4system runs his desktop on three identical XGA 15" LCDs, ultra low power (around 10-12W/piece)
[05:28] <arooni> Awould like to run to vhosts on the same vps using ubuntu 14.04 and nginx.... but now getting "[emerg] 19896#0: duplicate listen options for [::]:80 in /etc/nginx/sites-enabled/sitename"  ... can i have no default server listed?
[05:29] <sarnold> virtual hosts share an ip address, listening socket, etc
[05:29] <sarnold> they only notice which virtual host to use when they aceept and then read from the socket
[05:30] <sarnold> you'll need to have exactly one listen config option in the entire process
[07:58] <lordievader> Good morning.
[15:39] <penw> hello beautiful people
[15:40] <penw> how can I go about running a cronjob every 30 minutes between hours
[15:40] <penw> e.g 8-14
[15:40] <penw> on one line
[15:40] <penw> if I specify 30 8-14 it will run on 14:30 as well
[15:40] <penw> well 0,30 :^)
[15:43] <penw> after 3 minutes of using the powerful search engine named Google the cleanest option would be to just have two lines
[15:43] <penw> oh well
[16:32] <jamespage> coreycb, just testing to see if we can patch out ryu from the neutron deps
[16:33] <coreycb> jamespage, ok, tough go getting it into main I see
[16:33] <jamespage> coreycb, I have a hunch that the test suite is patch-tastic
[16:34] <jamespage> coreycb, and its for an experimental driver anyway
[16:34] <jamespage> alternative to the command line driver for ovs
[16:34] <jamespage> so its not default
[16:34] <coreycb> jamespage, ok
[16:34] <jamespage> coreycb, testr did not crap out with an import error so fingers crossed
[16:34] <coreycb> jamespage, cool


[00:56] <cprofitt> bodhi_zazen: you here?
[02:03] <nigel_nb> morning learning team :)
[02:05] <doctormo> hey nigel_nb
[02:05] <nigel_nb> hey doctormo :)
[02:08] <nigel_nb> Pendulum: ping
[02:09] <Pendulum> nigel_nb: heya, what's up?
[02:09] <nigel_nb> Pendulum: heya :), did u get the link to the video ?
[02:10] <Pendulum> yep, i downloaded it
[02:11] <Pendulum> and now my sound has died (again) so it will have to wait until I have time to sort that first (so this weekend)
[02:11] <nigel_nb> no problem :)
[02:11] <nigel_nb> is the video okay ? was I too fast or somethin?
[02:13] <doctormo> nigel_nb: Did you see Sita sings the Blues?
[02:13] <pleia2> nigel_nb: hey, sorry I didn't return last night, was dead tired
[02:13] <nigel_nb> doctormo: lemme try today.  Yesterday my flash was acting up
[02:13] <nigel_nb> pleia2: no problem, thought so :)
[02:13] <doctormo> nigel_nb: should be for download too
[02:13]  * pleia2 started watching sita
[02:13] <nigel_nb> doctormo: lemme check out
[02:13] <pleia2> great stuff :)
[02:14] <nigel_nb> doctormo: I finally started blogging :)
[02:14] <doctormo> nigel_nb: Welcome to the fold, what is your reasoning?
[02:14] <Pendulum> nigel_nb: looks good to me
[02:14] <nigel_nb> doctormo: basically anything that I'd like to share, now its about ubuntu user days and using IRC
[02:15] <nigel_nb> Pendulum: I was afraid I would be too fast
[02:16]  * nigel_nb and flash are friends today :)
[02:18] <nigel_nb> doctormo: if some hard core religious facists see its, you might get executed :P
[02:19] <doctormo> nigel_nb: If some religious facists see it, then _I_ might get killed? why me?
[02:19] <nigel_nb> doctormo: basically, they dont care, they just need to make a point... hehe
[02:19] <doctormo> nigel_nb: No I'm saying, I don't understand your english, I think I'm reading it wrong.
[02:19] <doctormo> could you repeat please?
[02:20] <nigel_nb> doctormo: they dont really care who they kill, they'll make an example of you for posting it
[02:20] <nigel_nb> just kiddin though :P
[02:20] <nigel_nb> I hope you didn't take it seriously :)
[02:21] <nigel_nb> pleia2: the best part, I totally forgot what I wanted to talk to you about :P
[02:21] <pleia2> nigel_nb: hehe
[02:21] <pleia2> I know bios and you were combining your quickstart document, maybe that?
[02:22] <pleia2> I know cprofitt is eager to get his hands on it to start looking into the transfer to moodle
[02:26] <cprofitt> yes -- I think it is a critical step for our project
[02:26] <cprofitt> we need to ensure that the asciidoc 'content' can be migrated to Moodle and vice/versa
[02:26] <cprofitt> we also need to get things set so people can contribute
[02:27] <doctormo> Indeed it is.
[02:28] <pleia2> nigel and I will be fleshing some of it out on saturday, looks like
[02:28] <pleia2> hopefully finishing
[02:28] <cprofitt> sounds great
[02:28] <doctormo> cprofitt: Which part of the process is more interesting for moodle to take from? Currently it goes: asciidocs -BUILD> docbooks -RENDER> html/pdf
[02:29] <pleia2> I think html
[02:31] <cprofitt> doctormo: hard to say until I try it.
[02:31] <cprofitt> I still have serious doubts about it actually working as a source since there are significant differences in pedagogy in the delivery of the course
[02:32] <cprofitt> but I am willing to give it the old college try and see if it can work
[02:33] <cprofitt> the raw text parts of the course can certainly transfer, but even has HTML it ends up being cut-n-paste
[02:33] <nigel_nb> doctormo: a small doubt
[02:34] <cprofitt> unless I am missing something
[02:35] <nigel_nb> cprofitt: it mind up with you taking the text from html
[02:35] <nigel_nb> s/mind/might
[02:35] <cprofitt> I agree nigel_nb
[02:36] <cprofitt> the issue I have been most concerned with is how to plug the asciidoc stuff in with activities, assignments and quizes
[02:36] <cprofitt> I also want to see how asciidoc handles the stufff we just link too
[02:36] <nigel_nb> cprofitt: we have to work full time on conversion, they are a bit different type of formats
[02:36] <cprofitt> I agree...
[02:37] <nigel_nb> though the team has to decide whether there should be a group of people to handle or the course writer only
[02:37] <cprofitt> I think doctormo downloaded the zip file to look at it -- not sure how his analysis went
[02:37] <doctormo> cprofitt: There was a lot of stuff in those xml files
[02:37] <nigel_nb> cprofitt: moodle is the same thing that corporate training takes place right?
[02:38] <nigel_nb> our moodle site looks extremely familiar from my company's intranet learning site too
[02:38] <cprofitt> Well... unless a decision was made that I am unaware of the course writer was able to pick their development tool and the 'team' would translate
[02:38] <pleia2> canonical uses moodle for their online classes, if that's what you mean
[02:38] <doctormo> cprofitt: It scared me a little, complexity. But I think the core of items should be transferable. If my understanding of moodle from what you were showing is correct.
[02:38] <cprofitt> doctormo: that is very good news...
[02:38] <cprofitt> you think you might be able to develop an automated process to produce an uploadable course instead of cut-n-paste?
[02:38] <pleia2> Pendulum: thanks for dropping that note about UUD to -women!
[02:39] <Pendulum> pleia2: no problem. i meant to get it out days ago and it's been sitting on my todo list
[02:39] <doctormo> cprofitt: When I'm not coughing every 5 seconds, sure thing! :-)
[02:39] <doctormo> At the very least, I think an automated html submit should be trivial.
[02:39] <nigel_nb> cprofitt: okay, I didn't know about it
[02:39] <nigel_nb> I joined later
[02:40] <nigel_nb> doctormo: do u want me to update my trunk to the new rev that you pushed?
[02:40] <cprofitt> doctormo what woudl the html submit do?
[02:40] <doctormo> nigel_nb: Please do, if you have dificulty merging, let me know and I'll do the merge.
[02:40] <doctormo> cprofitt: It's possible.
[02:40] <cprofitt> nigel_nb: I think as we grow we may be able to require one format or the other...
[02:40] <cprofitt> but to get started that may inhibit would be contributors
[02:41] <nigel_nb> I agree
[02:42] <cprofitt> that and if we have courses on how to use Moodle ... How to use Asciidoc it should help -- currently we do not have those...
[02:42] <cprofitt> though we are close to Asciidoc
[02:42] <cprofitt> I hope :-)
[02:42] <pleia2> yeah, hopefully we'll have something pushed up by sunday
[02:42] <cprofitt> what document type are we using?
[02:42] <cprofitt> I assume article or book
[02:43] <pleia2> nigel has all the basic bzr stuff down, and we have loads of documentation to base on
[02:43] <pleia2> base the asciidoc stuff on, I mean
[02:44] <pleia2> plus nigel's example
[02:44] <cprofitt> so hopefully soon we can reach the milestone of one complete course published
[02:44] <pleia2> I don't know about "articles" or "books" - if you take a look at doctormo's trunk it has the structure though
[02:44] <nigel_nb> pleia2: the best way for an asciidoc course is an example course
[02:44] <cprofitt> I was just reading the Asciidoc user guide
[02:45] <nigel_nb> I worked on top of doctormo's course
[02:45] <pleia2> nigel_nb: yeah, that helps a lot :)
[02:45] <cprofitt> and it had three doct types -- Man Page, Book, Article
[02:45] <pleia2> so you can see the trunk/Subject Area/Topic/01 structure in action, plus the asciidoc markup
[02:45] <pleia2> cprofitt: ah, book I think
[02:46] <cprofitt> Cool.
[02:47] <pleia2> but you can compile individual chapters (is that what they are called?) independently of the book
[02:48] <cprofitt> right... and I think we have a way to break it down even more than that... from talking to bios
[02:48] <pleia2> so far the chapters have been pretty small
[02:49] <pleia2> but that's something that will evolve as we get more done
[02:49] <cprofitt> I am just reflecting on many 'books' I have read -- that may cover a subject -- and parts of that chapter may be needed for another 'book' but not to the same depth
[02:50] <pleia2> ah, I think while our format is "book" each "book" only covers a portion of a subject (so, something that can probably be taught in an hour or so)
[02:50] <doctormo> cprofitt: I was always taught that you should be brief in the first paragraph, and then add depth with each paragraph afterwards.
[02:50]  * pleia2 gets dragged off by phone call
[02:51] <cprofitt> paragraph?
[02:58] <doctormo> cprofitt: Er, yes, I've spelt that right?
[02:58] <cprofitt> I need to go assist my wife... be off for a little while
[03:20] <nigel_nb> doctormo: how long are you gonna be around?
[03:25] <doctormo> nigel_nb: I don't know yet.
[03:25] <nigel_nb> doctormo: If possible when I finish the bzr course I want a review, fixing some stupid formatting mistakes (my very own)
[03:25] <doctormo> nigel_nb: ok
[03:28] <pleia2> doctormo: wait, which side of the ocean are you on now?
[03:28] <doctormo> pleia2: UK
[03:28]  * pleia2 peers at thet ime
[03:28] <doctormo> It's 3:30
[03:28] <pleia2> don't you sleep? :)
[03:29] <doctormo> Not very well when I'm sick, not coughing like this.
[03:29] <pleia2> I was taking cough medicine at night so I could sleep
[03:29] <nigel_nb> doctormo: you need a cough syrup
[03:29] <nigel_nb> keeps you cough away
[03:29] <nigel_nb> and you'll be floating ;)
[03:29] <pleia2> hehe
[03:30] <doctormo> I think i do, but with not a chemist in sight at 3am
[03:30] <pleia2> yeah :\
[03:30] <nigel_nb> I suppose pleia2 was doing that a few days back
[03:30] <pleia2> yeah, it was great
[03:30] <pleia2> knocked me right out, I'd sleep for like 10 hours :)
[03:30] <pleia2> then wake up coughing after 10 hours, but at least I got the sleep
[03:31] <nigel_nb> pleia2: thats why cough medicines are q.h.s.
[03:31] <nigel_nb> oops, I mean "at bed time"
[03:31] <pleia2> yeah
[03:32] <nigel_nb> Imagine me taking a cough medicine at night time
[03:32] <nigel_nb> I'll sleep on the way to work lol :P
[04:06] <cprofitt> hey bodhizazen
[04:46] <cprofitt> doctormo: you here?
[04:46] <doctormo> yes
[04:47] <cprofitt> sorry I had to cut and run on you...
[04:47] <cprofitt> wife called
[04:59] <doctormo> cprofitt: No problem
[10:32] <AlanBell> hi
[10:32] <AlanBell> I like the concept of the Ubuntu user days
[10:32] <Pendulum> hiya :)
[10:33] <AlanBell> and it will be a great opportunity to give Lernid a bit of a hammering
[10:33] <Pendulum> heh
[10:33] <AlanBell> I would like to suggest doing a business focussed event on the same lines
[10:33] <AlanBell> "how do I start using Ubuntu in my company"
[10:33] <Pendulum> (btw, most of us doing a lot of User Days stuff are in the US so I may be the only one around)
[10:33] <Pendulum> that's a really good idea
[10:34] <AlanBell> there are an assortment of companies that are Canonical partners and lots of people who do Ubuntu stuff as their day job
[10:34] <AlanBell> who could run sessions
[10:35] <Pendulum> *nods*
[10:36] <AlanBell> I am absolutely willing to put time, effort and, if needed, money into such a thing
[10:45] <Pendulum> AlanBell: I think it's a good idea for a future user day (not this one because we're also kinda finding our feet with it) :)
[10:47] <AlanBell> oh, certainly not for this one
[10:47] <AlanBell> because for one thing it is on a saturday :-)
[10:48] <Pendulum> yeah, that's because we figured most new users weren't about to skip work to attend a user day :P
[10:48] <AlanBell> yes, totally understand the target audience for this one
[12:22] <_marx_> interesting idea AlanBell ; accounting software (read Quicken) seems to be one _big missing piece
[12:23] <AlanBell> actually gnucash works pretty well
[12:23] <_marx_> nigel_nb: ping
[12:23] <AlanBell> been running a business on it since . . .
[12:23] <_marx_> it does but there is a large existing user base for quicken
[12:24] <pleia2> AlanBell: I think the consensus was that lernid won't be ready for primte time use in time
[12:24] <pleia2> -t
[12:25] <pleia2> plus it's still hard for newbies to install (ppa and all)
[12:25] <AlanBell> 30/04/2003 was the first transaction
[12:25] <Pendulum> yeah
[12:25] <pleia2> a couple of folks on the team were working on an irc screencast though
[12:25] <AlanBell> well you can't really stop people using Lernid if they want
[12:25] <pleia2> so make getting on irc through a client easier :)
[12:26] <AlanBell> but you can indeed not push it very hard
[12:26] <pleia2> sure, they can if they want
[12:26] <Pendulum> pleia2: not to mention I have at least one friend who has shown interest in attending who probably won't actually be running Ubuntu on that day, but will use it to figure out how to get started
[12:26] <pleia2> Pendulum: ah, good to know :)
[12:26] <AlanBell> I think some people will be using Lernid (me for a start) in order to give it a good test
[12:27] <Pendulum> I'm going to set her up with webchat or some sort of Windows IRC client (probably webchat since I know nothing about windows IRC clients)
[12:27] <AlanBell> OpenERP is quite a powerful accounting tool for the larger business
[12:27]  * _marx_ hates accounting therefore subs it out
[12:28] <AlanBell> Pendulum: yes, it would be good to have lernid running cross platform
[12:28] <_marx_> Pendulum: XChat is available for windows and a big plus for XChat is detachable tabs
[12:29] <_marx_> so one can have -classroom in a window and -classroom-chat in another window
[12:29] <Pendulum> _marx_: the official xchat for windows is also free 30-day trial and then pay
[12:30] <_marx_> no swithcing between tabs to see both parts of the action
[12:30]  * _marx_ not aware of that
[12:30] <_marx_> i've never used winders much
[12:31] <Pendulum> yeah, I discovered this when we first got my roommate on IRC
[12:34] <Pendulum> i should ask him what he's using now since I can't remember. I think it has detachable tabs
[12:34] <_marx_> empathy doesn't and i can see that being a problem
[12:35] <pleia2> there are some great completely free builds of xchat
[12:35] <pleia2> most people use the silverex.org build
[12:35] <pleia2> (for windows)
[12:35] <Pendulum> _marx_: empathy on Ubuntu has detachable tabs
[12:36] <_marx_> it does!
[12:36] <Pendulum> yes
[12:36]  * _marx_ goes to redo some screencasts :(
[12:36] <Pendulum> just double checked
[12:36] <Pendulum> aww
[12:37] <_marx_> having video issues anyway
[12:37] <_marx_> issues = problems
[12:37] <Pendulum> if you have tabs open, in the "Tabs" menu there's the option to detatch each tab
[12:37] <Pendulum> and in preferances you can select the option to open each chat in a new window
[12:39] <_marx_> Pendulum: thanks that's really good to know
[12:41]  * _marx_ video captures are coming out 1/3 of audio: 4 minute audio 1:15 minute video
[12:42] <pleia2> doh
[13:47] <nigel_nb> _marx_: pong :)
[13:47] <doctormo> nigel_nb: hello
[13:48] <nigel_nb> hey doctormo
[13:48] <nigel_nb> doctormo: no sleep?
[13:48] <doctormo> There was sleep
[14:10] <nigel_nb> _marx_: went through your screencasts, you might wanna slow down a bit, its a bit too fast
[14:13] <_marx_> indeed nigel_nb not sure what is making them so fast
[14:13] <nigel_nb> just speak out what you think needs to be the voice over and then do, forget your keyboard skills and act like a newbie ;)
[14:13] <nigel_nb> worked for me
[14:14] <nigel_nb> the first time I made mine, I couldn't even see it (I was way too fast)
[14:17] <_marx_> hum, after 10+ years that is difficult
[14:18] <nigel_nb> haha
[15:12] <popey> _marx_: where are your screencasts? can I see?
[15:21] <nigel_nb> pleia2: forgot to tell you, convinced the BT to put up user day alerts on the /topic in #ubuntu-beginners and #ubuntu-beginners-help :)
[15:21] <pleia2> nigel_nb: great! :)
[15:23] <_marx_> popey: PM?
[15:23] <popey> sure
[16:00] <nigel_nb> popey: got a min?
[16:00] <popey> ya
[16:00] <nigel_nb> will give the link for the raw video I made for the screencast
[16:00] <popey> cool
[16:00] <nigel_nb> can you tell if I need to change something?
[16:00] <popey> i cant lok at it for another 3 hours or so, when I get home
[16:00] <popey> *look
[16:01] <nigel_nb> um, I'm leaving for work in 20 mins
[16:01] <nigel_nb> I'll give you my mail id
[16:01] <nigel_nb> mail you comments
[16:01] <popey> sure
[16:03] <nigel_nb> popey: thanks a lot. much appreciated :)
[16:03] <popey> np
[18:11] <MrShah> HI THERE
[18:11] <bazhang> hi
[18:14] <MrShah> which topic are dicussed here
[18:14] <MrShah> only 4 ubuntu or othrer linux releted
[18:14] <bazhang> MrShah, /topic
[18:15] <MrShah> i have a problem with vim when i give the following command this are not work in ubuntu 8.10 but also work in fc10 the command is vim -x file
[18:15] <MrShah> can you help me
[18:15] <pleia2> you might want to try #vim or #ubuntu
[18:15] <pleia2> this channel is for developing learning materials
[18:17] <MrShah> can you plz tell me which type of learning materials
[18:17] <MrShah> such as rhce
[18:18] <bazhang> MrShah, try ##linux
[18:20] <pleia2> MrShah: no certification, we just have courses for local teams to teach, or irc sessions, or for moodle
[18:24] <MrShah> can i learn something form your channel
[18:30] <bazhang> he is trolling ##windows just a fyi
[18:30] <mhall119|work> not exactly trolling, just pimping
[18:30] <bazhang> blogspam
[18:31] <mhall119|work> yeah
[18:31] <mhall119|work> though he's stopped that now
[18:31] <mhall119|work> and dropped the all caps
[18:31] <bazhang> oh right you are in there, sorry
[18:34] <cprofitt> hello all
[18:37] <mhall119|work> hey cprofitt
[18:38] <mhall119|work> I see the NY Team is now listed as approved
[18:38] <mhall119|work> proving once again that pleia2 is both omniscient and omnipotent
[19:41] <nigel_nb> doctormo: got a min?
[19:44] <nigel_nb> doctormo: merged the new trunk
[19:45] <doctormo> nigel_nb: Great, do you want me to merge it in?
[19:45] <nigel_nb> doctormo: you want me to change the formatting to that of the new trunk?
[19:45] <nigel_nb> i mean the sections being outside instead of side the sections folder?
[19:49] <doctormo> nigel_nb: So you've modified your code to be like the trunk, but you've not merged in the trunk it's self?
[23:24] <cprofitt> bodhi_zazen: you here?
[23:39] <bodhi_zazen> yes cprofitt


[21:26] <lessent> i cant open any video on youtube.. why is that? i use ubuntu, mint and xp ( invirtualbox).. youtube doesnt work any os on my pc..
[21:26] <Draxelis> does anyone use nod32?
[21:26] <iderik> Crashed, did anyone asnwer my question? :)
[21:26] <kostkon> azomb, i think xubuntu uses pulseaudio by default. to make sure, does the command:  "ps -A | grep pulse"  produce any output
[21:26] <azomb> kostkon, i thought it would be close to ubuntu since it's based on it so i came here :\
[21:26] <Draxelis> eset antivirus?
[21:27] <kostkon> azomb, yeah np. if yes, then you could install the pulseuadio volume control utility and set your xfi as the default device from there.
[21:28] <MonkeyDust> !av | Draxelis
[21:28] <mac_> good evening all.. (newb) i have a big question over sharing fodlers.. to be  exact with the problem .. i have comp-comp connection with LAN cable.. both computers have internet, great.. now, the question is, how to make windows xp to share folders to linux ubuntu 12.04 lts and back.. can someone please help me over that?
[21:28] <Draxelis> MonkeyDust,  I know. But I still have eset licenses
[21:28] <Draxelis> i use it on win and on ubuntu
[21:28] <Jordan_U> lessent: What happens when you try to watch a youtube video?
[21:29] <azomb> kostkon, command not found
[21:29] <Draxelis> but this new ubuntu 13.04 has many problems. a lot of stuff doesnt work on it ;/
[21:29] <kostkon> azomb, just:  ps -A | grep pulse
[21:29] <Draxelis> personally for me 13.04 is worse than 12.10
[21:29] <miciu86> sera
[21:29] <miciu86> !lista
[21:29] <Dayofswords> Draxelis: use something else then?
[21:29] <MonkeyDust> Draxelis  eset is not GPL, so i guess you cannot use it in linux
[21:30] <azomb> kostkon, it worked. I messed up a space
[21:30] <lessent> Jordan_U: I tried to use vpn server.. and it works when i use vpn server.. but it doesnt work on my normal connection.. now vpn doesnt work too and i dont play youtube
[21:30] <Draxelis> Dayofswords, i'm not going to jump the ship. just saying that it's worse for some reason. I had many issues. Hope they will be sorted on the coming releases.
[21:30] <azomb> kostkon, it says pulseaudio
[21:31] <MonkeyDust> Draxelis  no rants please
[21:31] <kostkon> azomb, try installing the utility ive mentioned, in the terminal like this:  sudo apt-get install pavucontrol
[21:31] <Kjell> Hi,
[21:31] <Draxelis> MonkeyDust,  why can'tt use it? not all soft needs to be gpl to use it on linux
[21:31] <Dayofswords> Draxelis: I use Xubuntu and everything is fine for me, but I'm on the LTS.
[21:31] <Draxelis> LTS is all good
[21:31] <Draxelis> i'm talking about 13.04
[21:31] <MonkeyDust> Draxelis  i guess it's beyond this channel
[21:31] <Draxelis> even 12.10 is all good ;)
[21:32] <Kjell> When I start my pc I do not have an internet connection and have to wait 60s to get into the desktop. Then I need to start the network-manager service to get internet.
[21:32] <azomb> kostkon, should i test it now?
[21:33] <MonkeyDust> Draxelis  maybe the people in ##linux can help you with this eset and GPL issue
[21:33] <Draxelis> look: skype issues, chrome probs, this new nautilus crashes in certain circumstances
[21:33] <kostkon> azomb, if you have already set it as the default device yes
[21:33] <mac_> any1 copy?
[21:33] <MonkeyDust> Draxelis  i have no issue with all that
[21:33] <MonkeyDust> issues*
[21:34] <Draxelis> that's why I say that I personally have these problems
[21:34] <asdefe> Ubuntu stuck at splash screen 5 dot screen
[21:34] <hello_world_newb> Draxelis: can u tell me what problem are you facing with eset ?
[21:34] <Draxelis> due to hardware
[21:34] <takeyourhatoff> Why do I get this: http://pastebin.com/Fm7kuRNX every time I use apt-get?
[21:34] <Aprel> Does ubuntu have any software to manually increase my cpu fan speed?
[21:34] <azomb> kostkon, I didn't do that
[21:34] <Draxelis> hello_world_newb,  I can't install it in 13.04. it asks SU password
[21:34] <Draxelis> :)
[21:34] <Jordan_U> MonkeyDust: Completely aside from eset, there is no requirement that software run on GNU/Linux be GPL or even Free/Open Source.
[21:35] <Draxelis> i don't have su password, only sudo :)
[21:35] <Jordan_U> !pm | lessent
[21:35] <asdefe> Ubuntu stuck at splash screen 5 dot screen. it wont go beyond it
[21:36] <Kjell> When I start my pc I do not have an internet connection and have to wait 60s to get into the desktop. Then I need to start the network-manager service to get internet.
[21:36] <azomb> kostkon, pulse audio doesn't give me the option to set it to default
[21:36] <Draxelis> hello_world_newb,  any idea how to overcome this? When it asks for SU, i type in my password and authentication fails as you would expect
[21:36] <Draxelis> :)
[21:36] <asdefe> SOS
[21:36] <hello_world_newb> http://kb.eset.com/esetkb/index?page=content&id=SOLN2653&locale=en_US
[21:37] <th0r> Draxelis: I believe the church of ubuntu has declared su persona non grata. But if I remember correctly you can still install it from the repos
[21:37] <asdefe> HELP PLEASE! CRISIS SITUATION
[21:37] <hello_world_newb> it has the solution
[21:37] <MonkeyDust> asdefe  caps
[21:37] <genii> !ask | asdefe
[21:37] <kostkon> azomb, hmm yeah
[21:37] <lessent> hi all, is there anyone who doesnt watch anythion on youtube? cuz i have 2 os on my hd and youtube doesnt work any os on my pc..
[21:38] <azomb> kostkon, no worry
[21:38] <Jordan_U> lessent: What happens when you try to watch a youtube video?
[21:38] <kostkon> azomb, in the output devices tab, press the tick button that says set as fallback
[21:38] <Kjell> When I start my pc I do not have an internet connection and have to wait 60s to get into the desktop. Then I need to start the network-manager service to get internet.
[21:38] <lessent> Jordan_U: it shows me black screen
[21:38] <mac_> good evening all.. (newb) i have a big question over sharing fodlers.. to be  exact with the problem .. i have comp-comp connection with LAN cable.. both computers have internet, great.. now, the question is, how to make windows xp to share folders to linux ubuntu 12.04 lts and back.. can someone please help me over that?
[21:39] <jrib> !samba | mac_
[21:39] <hello_world_newb> Draxelis, got it ?
[21:39] <Draxelis> hello_world_newb, this page doesnt have a solution to the problem. Problem is that nod32 asks ROOT (su) password, but I don't have it. Ubuntu asks only for "sudo"
[21:40] <mac_> jrib yes.. thanku but it does not shown on win xp
[21:40] <Jordan_U> lessent: Do other flash videos work? Does youtube work via html5? ( http://youtube.com/html5 )
[21:40] <Draxelis> hello_world_newb,  authentication fails
[21:40] <MonkeyDust> mac_  gigolo manages different types of networks, try it
[21:40] <azomb> kostkon, I've done that before but it doesn't work. Could it be the lack of a driver?
[21:40] <hello_world_newb> i guess you can use your sudo password
[21:41] <Draxelis> hello_world_newb,  i used. says "su: authentication failed"
[21:41] <lessent> Jordan_U: no... all flash doesnt work.. html5 doesnt work too
[21:41] <kostkon> azomb, what do you mean?
[21:42] <lil_danger> hello
[21:42] <Draxelis> hello_world_newb,  i think nod32 is not compatible with 13.04 ;/
[21:42] <lessent> i also installed chromioum.. but it doesnt work too, Jordan_U:
[21:42] <hello_world_newb> well it says it is
[21:42] <Kjell> When I start my pc I do not have an internet connection and have to wait 60s to get into the desktop. Then I need to start the network-manager service to get internet.
[21:42] <hello_world_newb> let me check give me a min
[21:42] <lil_danger> my laptop is not burning cds or dvds but can read them fine
[21:43] <Draxelis> ok ;)
[21:43] <lil_danger> i already tried to use different programs to burn
[21:43] <lil_danger> any ideas??
[21:43] <azomb> kostkon, when I hit set as fallback I can hear through the card, but by hardware volume keys only affect the volume level of the built in audio even though it's not in use?
[21:44] <Jordan_U> lessent: Can you play videos in any video player? Do you at least hear sound when you "play" youtube or other flash videos?
[21:44] <kostkon> azomb, :/
[21:44] <codephobic> hi
[21:44] <hello_world_newb> Draxelis, well are u using eset smart security or nod32 antivirus ?
[21:44] <Nadja> I'm about to switch from FreeBSD to Ubuntu as my router OS. The box connects to the INET via PPPoE and is an accesspoint. What I cannot get to work is bridging between the wlan and the lan. I can ping and stuff, but large packets seem to "hang". Anyone has any ideas what could be the problem?
[21:44] <Draxelis> hello_world_newb,  nod32 because only that is available for linux
[21:44] <azomb> kostkon, :(
[21:44] <codephobic> how do you set up default directories to look through, for the desktop wallpaper settings tool?
[21:44] <Draxelis> nod32 version 4
[21:44] <hello_world_newb> ok
[21:45] <codephobic> I'm using Ubuntu 13.04, btw.
[21:45] <houser> codephobic, nice...is it fast?
[21:46] <azomb> kostkon, I have a newer version of xubuntu ready to install to maybe fix the problem, so I guess it's come to that
[21:46] <lessent> Jordan_U: yes it works for "vimeo", "rt.com/on-air/"
[21:46] <kostkon> azomb, you could check this post first:  http://askubuntu.com/questions/137421/volume-keys-are-working-in-unity-but-not-in-xfce4
[21:47] <SonikkuAmerica> Nadja: A network issue at the very least... are packets hanging in FreeBSD?
[21:47] <Jordan_U> lessent: "it" works as in audio, or does video work with vimeo also?
[21:47] <no9to5blogger> hello
[21:47] <codephobic> blj
[21:48] <codephobic> oops
[21:48] <lessent> "audio" and "video" work on vimeo.. Jordan_U:
[21:48] <azomb> kostkon, that seems like it'll work, thanks
[21:48] <codephobic> houser, hi yeah much more responsive than 12.10.
[21:48] <kostkon> azomb, np
[21:48] <Nadja> Sonikku: Absolutely not. Bridging and being accesspoint works flawlessly in FreeBSD. Is it possible to debug why packets seem to get lost?
[21:49] <codephobic> quite a dramatic improvement. I'd gotten used to the heavy feel of ubuntu since 11.04/unity ... this is the first version that's actually been 'nice' to use.
[21:49] <houser> im still on 1210
[21:49] <SonikkuAmerica> Nadja: I'm not sure... maybe the people in #ubuntu-server might now about this.
[21:50] <houser> i considered changing for  a while
[21:50] <SonikkuAmerica> houser: Changing?
[21:50] <hello_world_newb> Draxelis, i am downloading it and will try to install it lets see if i face any prob
[21:50] <Nadja> Sonikku: Ah, I'll try and ask them then. Thank you :o)
[21:50] <Draxelis> hello_world_newb,  cool,  thanks
[21:50] <Draxelis> :)
[21:50] <houser> SonikkuAmerica, to 1304
[21:50] <Draxelis> Maybe my permission are messed up?
[21:50] <SonikkuAmerica> houser: Oh
[21:51] <mac_> sow, gigolo is installed..
[21:51] <houser> SonikkuAmerica, also im a bit unhappy with the crash rate
[21:51] <houser> SonikkuAmerica, my machine crashes on avg. once a day
[21:51] <houser> SonikkuAmerica, but i think also thats partly skypes fault
[21:51] <vod1k> close
[21:52] <houser> although ubuntu is also doing weird stuff often :/
[21:52] <kostkon> houser, that's definitely not normal. even with skype
[21:52] <SonikkuAmerica> houser: It might be. I've heard of problems with it
[21:52] <kostkon> houser, you mean crashing completely, or just getting the crash report popup?
[21:52] <houser> kostkon, completely...have to do hard reset
[21:53] <kostkon> houser, it could be a hardware prob, possibly ram?
[21:53] <houser> yeah...im gonne go for 1304 and see if it helps
[21:54] <kostkon> houser, you can do the memtest, although you;ll need to leave your pc on overnight to allow it to finish
[21:54] <houser> another thing that annoys me about ubuntu is that its not consistent with active window always being on top :(
[21:54] <hello_world_newb> Draxelis, well for me it asked sudo password
[21:54] <lessent> audio and video works for vimeo Jordan_U:
[21:54] <ubuntu101> I'm having trouble setting up transmission web interface. When i start downloading it gives me an error "permssion denied ~/Downloads/downloadfilename" even though chmod 770 the folder any know what it might be?
[21:54] <Draxelis> hello_world_newb,  so installation works?
[21:54] <hello_world_newb> Draxelis,  and it worked
[21:54] <Draxelis> damn
[21:55] <Draxelis> so, what could be the problem? ;/
[21:55] <hello_world_newb> Draxelis, well i set the permission to execute the file
[21:55] <Draxelis> i did as well
[21:56] <Draxelis> then it asked for pass?
[21:56] <hello_world_newb> Draxelis, yep
[21:56] <Draxelis> ye
[21:56] <codephobic> houser, I'd wait for 13.10 to come out, to be honest.
[21:56] <comradzilla> i've never installed ubuntu before and i'm quite new.  I have virtual box installed and i want to install ubuntu that way
[21:56] <Draxelis> I type the pass i use for loggin in
[21:56] <comradzilla> i have the ubuntu iso, what do i do from here? :)
[21:56] <Draxelis> and it gives "su: authentication failed"
[21:56] <hello_world_newb> Draxelis, it wont work
[21:57] <codephobic> although 13.04 is much faster and more robust in operation, than 12.10, I get a lot of "kernal panics" when booting into it.
[21:57] <hello_world_newb> Draxelis, sudo password are different
[21:57] <houser> codemaniac, why?
[21:57] <houser> codephobic, ^
[21:57] <codephobic> but that might be due to conflicts with virtualbox, as I have a bunch of headless vms running on boot too.
[21:57] <Draxelis> hello_world_newb,  but why it works for you and not for me?
[21:57] <Draxelis> what's the difference?
[21:58] <codephobic> houser, I haven't really looked into the nitty gritty, I just see the code go by, with "kernal panic" chatter and trace procedures and such ...
[21:58] <hello_world_newb> Draxelis, based on your installation user password and sudo password can be different
[21:58] <houser> codemaniac, in 1304?
[21:58] <codephobic> I'm more interested in getting on with my dev work than looking at the gubbins of ubuntu
[21:58] <codephobic> houser, yes 13.04
[21:59] <houser> codepal, i thought it was very stqble
[21:59] <houser> stable
[21:59] <codephobic> my on-board graphics chip is outdated and no longer supported by ati, but that's an Xorg (or whatever it's called) issue...
[21:59] <Draxelis> hello_world_newb, I've installed ubuntu many times and it seems I did the regular steps. dont know why I'm having problems now. any ideas how to solve this? or should I just abandon the idea? hello_world_newb
[21:59] <codephobic> houser, in operation yes it is stable... I have tonnes of stuff running within it.
[22:00] <th0r> Draxelis: have you tried to install su?
[22:00] <codephobic> but boot time is dicey ... frequent kernal panics, which force me to reboot.
[22:00] <hello_world_newb> Draxelis, well you can set a su password
[22:00] <Draxelis> can I set su password temporarily as I read that it's not safe to have su?
[22:01] <jrib> Draxelis: why do you want to?
[22:01] <Draxelis> to install this damn nod32 antivirus
[22:01] <Draxelis> ;/
[22:02] <zykotick9> Draxelis: if you "really" need root, try "sudo -i"
[22:02] <jrib> Draxelis: well first of all, you should use sudo, not su (see ubottu).  Second of all, why do you want to install an antivirus?
[22:02] <jrib> !sudo | Draxelis
[22:03] <Draxelis> jrib, antivirus is quite useful, especially if you dual boot or email to windows users
[22:03] <Draxelis> :)
[22:03] <Draxelis> hello_world_newb,  any way to run this nod32.linux with su privileges?
[22:03] <jrib> Draxelis: you aren't reading what we say
[22:04] <Draxelis> ok
[22:04] <Draxelis> if I du
[22:04] <Draxelis> do
[22:04] <zykotick9> !noroot > hello_world_newb
[22:04] <Draxelis> su *username* it works
[22:04] <Draxelis> accepts
[22:04] <Draxelis> password
[22:04] <FloodBot1> Draxelis: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:04] <jrib> Draxelis: stop and read what we are telling you about su and sudo
[22:05] <Draxelis> jrib,  I know about su and sudo. I read an article about it :)
[22:05] <newbie|4> hola
[22:05] <newbie|4> quiero saber algo como puedo desactivar el autoarranque de un modem 3g desde ubuntu
[22:05] <zykotick9> !es | newbie|4
[22:05] <jrib> Draxelis: ok, then you know not to use "su" to gain root access
[22:05] <newbie|4> cuek
[22:05] <newbie|4> xupenlo
[22:05] <newbie|4> :D
[22:05] <Draxelis> jrib,  so how do i install this nod32 ?:))
[22:05] <adam_g> is there any glue between seahorse and gpg-agent required to have my gpg passphrase cached for my session? my 13.04 fresh install seems unable/unwilling to save my passphrase after first prompt.
[22:06] <jrib> Draxelis: If they provide repositories for your ubuntu version, use the repositories.  if it's a .deb, double click on it
[22:06] <Draxelis> it's different
[22:06] <Draxelis> anyway, doesnt matter
[22:07] <Draxelis> i have too many probs with 13.04 :(
[22:07] <hello_world_newb> Draxelis, well thats funny i have none
[22:07] <Draxelis> i guess it depends on hardware
[22:07] <thomasfuston> Aloha, is it possible, that evolution destroys emails?
[22:07] <hello_world_newb> give me a min
[22:07] <Draxelis> 12.10 was good
[22:07] <jrib> Draxelis: what's your question?
[22:08] <Draxelis> jrib, What fast and accurate commercial antivirus would you recommend for ubuntu?
[22:08] <hello_world_newb> Draxelis, if antivirus is important
[22:09] <jrib> !antivirus | Draxelis
[22:09] <KyouReeus4nfo> apt-get install clamav
[22:09] <Draxelis> jrib,  hehe, you didnt read what i said earlier :))
[22:09] <MonkeyDust> clamtk is the GUI for it
[22:09] <jrib> Draxelis: I did.  The link recommends several
[22:09] <Draxelis> hello_world_newb,  yep it's important
[22:09] <dthorman> So I am having some issues using socket.io on the stock AWS ubuntu 12.04LTS AMI does anyone know where I might go to get support for that? It seems like it is having issues connecting a simple websockets client to a simple websockets server. What is weird is that it works just fine on a normal install or on an Ubuntu 12.04 linode
[22:09] <Draxelis> jrib,  ye but they are basic
[22:10] <jrib> Draxelis: I don't know what that means
[22:10] <jumpstart> Hallo!
[22:10] <Draxelis> detection rate is much worse
[22:10] <Draxelis> jrib,
[22:10] <hello_world_newb> Draxelis, well give me minute to figure out an alternative method
[22:10] <thomasfuston> I opened a email from an account and evolution wasnt able to show the content of the email, this happend with several emails, after i checkt, it wasnt possible to open them on the web interface either!
[22:10] <Draxelis> hello_world_newb,  ok cool. Maybe I'll end up reinstalling ubuntu one day :)
[22:11] <genii> Draxelis: For commercial paid linux av scanner, Kaspersky
[22:11] <genii> Draxelis: AVG also makes a linux paid version
[22:11] <Draxelis> kaspersky is slowing down pc alot isnt it, genii ? I used eset coz it's super light
[22:12] <genii> Draxelis: You can have good, or you can have fast. Not both
[22:12] <Draxelis> genii,  eset detection rate is very good;)
[22:12] <Draxelis> genii,  http://www.virusbtn.com/vb100/RAP/RAP-quadrant-Oct12-Apr13-12.jpg
[22:13] <Draxelis> look
[22:13]  * chalcedony smiles
[22:13] <OerHeks> if eset detects something, it is good?
[22:13] <hello_world_newb> Draxelis, are you able to do a sudo su
[22:14] <k1l> hello_world_newb: :/
[22:14] <zykotick9> hello_world_newb: DON'T suggest "sudo su" - it's WRONG
[22:14] <chalcedony> generally figured with a firewall, linux doesn't get many infections period
[22:14] <jrib> !sudo | hello_world_newb
[22:14] <k1l> hello_world_newb: dont suggest that here. you were given the root botcommand before
[22:14] <marianne> hello, any one know if there is a 'room' where you can talk about linux certifications?
[22:14] <jrib> hello_world_newb: please don't recommend "sudo su".  Use "sudo -i" if you really need a root prompt
[22:14] <hello_world_newb> i think its temp...
[22:14] <Draxelis> :D
[22:14] <hello_world_newb> ok
[22:14] <Draxelis> so
[22:15] <Draxelis> sudo -i?
[22:15] <Draxelis> how to do it?
[22:15] <MonkeyDust> at this point, i miss ikonia
[22:17] <hello_world_newb> jrib, can sudo -i be suggested ?
[22:17] <chalcedony> i'm looking for some advice about my husband's computer- he has ubuntu 12.04. my friend suggested that he might do better if he upgrades to 13.04 than trying to get the printer, scanner, and sound to work on 12.10 - that there might be more drivers for it, true?
[22:17] <Draxelis> you know what's cool about eset? that it counts only computers and not OSs per license. so basically one license can cover  windows, macosx, linux  and some stuff in virtual box
[22:17] <zykotick9> hello_world_newb: fyi, if you "need" a root prompt in ubuntu = you're doing something wrong ;)
[22:17] <Dr_willis> chalcedony,  test with a 13.04 live dvd
[22:17] <lasindi> When I connect to another computer using Remmina, the top menu panel shadow still appears over the screen from the remote computer. Is there a way to stop the shadow from appearing?
[22:17] <k1l> Draxelis: could you stop that eset commercial and stick to ubuntu support questions?
[22:18] <Dr_willis> chalcedony,  it may depend on the exact printer and scanner
[22:18] <Draxelis> k1l,  :D
[22:18] <marianne> chalcedony: what kind of printer does he use?
[22:18] <Draxelis> k1l,  more people use eset, the better will be support on linux
[22:18] <k1l> Draxelis: that is not a topic for this ubuntu support channel.
[22:19] <Draxelis> k1l,  anyway. you should try it lol. :))
[22:19] <chalcedony> marianne we have a brother MFC-J6710DW and the scanner is a Memorex 48u flatbed scanner (separate)
[22:19] <chalcedony> Dr_willis, lovely to see you, thank you
[22:20] <marianne> chalcedony: have you looked at 'additional drivers'? The guys here helped me get my HP running and get my video card working better with additional drivers
[22:20] <kostkon> chalcedony, 13.04 has only 9 months of support. before thinking about upgrading, you could install the hardware enablement stuck that offers a new kernel and thus support for newer hardware: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[22:21] <marianne> chalcedony: go to the dash and type in additional drivers, then open and run it... be sure the printer is turned on and connected, and it might 'discover' it
[22:21] <chalcedony> marianne, cool thanks!
[22:22] <marianne> chalcedony: there is also a lot of info out there... just google your printer brand and include that it's running ubuntu 12.04 in the search
[22:23] <chalcedony> marianne, been trying for months with the brother printer. id suggest buying ANYTHING other than brother, it interfaces badly
[22:24] <chalcedony> if for instance you want to run it wired, it will erase your wireless settings and password, and to change back to wireless you have to re-enter manually on their screen
[22:25] <chalcedony> they have no live support for Linux
[22:25] <chalcedony> email support doesnt know one linux distro from another
[22:25] <marianne> chalcedony: try here   http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/faq_prn.html
[22:25] <chalcedony> been there
[22:26] <marianne> chalcedony: well poo.... worth a try
[22:26] <chalcedony> thanks :)
[22:27] <chalcedony> lots of great errors there, marianne thanks!
[22:27] <marianne> chalcedony: what sound card does he have?
[22:28] <chalcedony> marianne, do you remember the command line command to find out?
[22:28] <marianne> chalcedony: not off hand.... I suck at command line ...
[22:29] <chalcedony> ah i'm ssh'd to his box
[22:32] <marianne> chalcedony: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iTlJ8BfqXUjaHO__TEdlkvuqB1WLOkGaudngc5SFLMI/edit    I'm assuming you've been here?
[22:33] <chalcedony> marianne, cool guide! thank you :)
[22:34] <ncmcxx> is there a a way to get a desktop that looks like chrome os?
[22:35] <chalcedony> i'm looking for anything that seems like sound card - tried  lspci, lshw and lsubs
[22:35] <ncmcxx> skin ubuntu to look something like this http://images.wikia.com/en.linux/images/6/66/Chrome_OS_21.0.1172_Aura_Dev.png
[22:36] <ur0pl> hi
[22:36] <UTF-8> hi
[22:36] <UTF-8> how are you?
[22:36] <ur0pl> i installed fglrx, then i installed generic, then i installed CCC, then i install fglrx again, and now unity does not start when i load start
[22:36] <ur0pl> hi
[22:37] <ur0pl> better than i could be i guess
[22:37] <UTF-8> problem with unity
[22:38] <UTF-8> have you got the reboot
[22:38] <UTF-8> ?
[22:38] <chalcedony> marianne, still here?
[22:38] <ur0pl> reboot lots
[22:40] <UTF-8> i think that if you have save a copy of SO, better choice is to reinstall all
[22:41] <ur0pl> is dmesg or sometihng supposed to say why unity does not automatically start?
[22:42] <UTF-8> what version of linux?
[22:42] <Quest> I have connected wired dsl on eth0, how can I make my laptop a hotspot so that my phone and one other laptop can share the internet from my laptop?
[22:42] <Yud_Zroc> how to I set my hdmi to duplicate the screen to my tv and not extend it? Note: Nvidia card
[22:43] <abc_harold> hi
[22:43] <ur0pl> i type in unity, and it says another window manager is already running on screen
[22:43] <ur0pl> compiz says that
[22:43] <k1l> ur0pl: that is not how you start unity
[22:43] <ur0pl> k1l, please enlighten me
[22:44] <k1l> ur0pl: use "sudo restart lightdm" but this will shutdown the x-server and show the loginscreen again
[22:45] <k1l> ur0pl: if unity doesnt start see the .xsession-errors in the user /home for details
[22:46] <hello_world_newb> ur0pl: check this out - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer-updates/+bug/1069199
[22:47] <k1l> ur0pl: make sure you have the headers insatlled
[22:47] <UTF-8> ur0pl, have you done?
[22:49] <OiCory> Hey guys, I'm trying to install Seamonkey and I followed all of the instructions in 3 different tuts, but it will not work
[22:49] <abc_harold> hey, i've got a brand new ubuntu server set up. anyone got any ideas for projects?
[22:49] <ur0pl> restart lightdm works, but it does not have unity with the left hand panel, that is what unity is right
[22:49] <OiCory> abc_harold: minecraft server, LAMP stack, and personal dropbox client is always healpful and learning intensive
[22:50] <c_smith> abc_harold: you might get more help with that with a social channel, as that is not a support question.
[22:50] <abc_harold> ok thanks guys
[22:50] <UTF-8> bye guys
[22:51] <ur0pl> unity is that thing with the panel on the levft right
[22:51] <ur0pl> i dont have that
[22:51] <g0to> hi there
[22:51] <SonikkuAmerica> ur0pl: You have Ubuntu, without any letters in front of it, right?
[22:52] <g0to> anyone know how could I apply the patch mentioned in the first post of this bug? -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zeroc-ice/+bug/1067545
[22:52] <OiCory> So I extracted seamonkey into my /opt and created a symlink from /opt/seamonkey to /usr/local/bin/seamonkey but it doesnt work
[22:52] <Dr_willis> OiCory,  make a script that cd's to the  seamonkey directory, then runs the binary. there miught be a script in the package that does that allready
[22:53] <OiCory> ok holdon
[22:53] <dario_> does anyone know why in xubuntu the script rfkill block bluetooth is runned before that it need?
[22:54] <ur0pl> i have regular ubuntu, right
[22:54] <SonikkuAmerica> ur0pl: And you use fglrx right?
[22:55] <dario_> goodnight guys, i leave the chat ;)
[22:55] <g0to> bye, dario_
[22:55] <ur0pl> i'm going to uninstall everything and see what is up
[22:56] <OiCory> Dr_willis: I'm not very good at scripting... Would a .sh file with the commands "cd /opt.seamonkey*/seamonkey && ./seamonkey" work?
[22:57] <Dr_willis> use the full and proper paths.
[22:57] <Dr_willis> one command per line
[22:57] <Dr_willis> #!/bin/sh
[22:58] <Dr_willis> cd /path/to/the/app
[22:58] <Dr_willis> ./theapp &
[22:58] <todd_> hello anyone? I have trouble with Ubuntu after update cause my wifi stop working.
[22:58] <Dr_willis> there might be some seamonkey 'run' script allready in the seamonkey package.
[22:58] <c_smith> OiCory: generally you want to use full paths even when you're doing a script, easier to read after the though.
[22:58] <c_smith> *thought
[22:58] <OiCory> Dr_willis: There is, it is called 'seamonkey' I am trying to run it.
[22:59] <OiCory> c_smith: Ok, fixed it but it just opens a blank terminal logged in as root
[23:00] <c_smith> OiCory: that might point to a problem with the script they wrote.
[23:00] <loiuashd> 12.04: What setting/settings manager can change the window resize from the simple outline to actually show the window's content?
[23:01] <mercury00> oicory: btw in a script I've found it's safer to use pushd than cd,
[23:01] <loiuashd> Specifically I want this for testing responsive websites during development.
[23:01] <OiCory> c_smith: Ok, hold on, I jsut physically went into the file and ran 'seamonkey' through gui file browser and it gives me this error "Failed to execute process /opt/seamonkey2/seamonkey/seamonkey (no such file or directory"
[23:01] <mercury00> oicory: depending on how the script is called and how it exits
[23:02] <mercury00> iocory: is seamonkey executable? I haven't seen your previous conversation but thought I'd ask
[23:03] <c_smith> OiCory: that points to either  it calling the seamonkey executable wrong, or like mercury00 said, the executable isn't actually marked as executable.
[23:03] <mercury00> oicory: is /that/ seamonkey file a symlink to a nonexistant file?
[23:05] <mercury00> iocory: I'd 1) make sure you can ls that exact file name (caps, extension, etc), and if so, ls -Flah that file to see if it's a symlink or something, or in the terminal just run 'file /path/to/seamonkey' and see what it says about the file
[23:05] <SonikkuAmerica> bbiab
[23:05] <OiCory> mercury00 & c_smith : It is executable, I just used chmod a+x /opt/seamonkey and they physical file is in /opt/seamonkey the symlink is in /usr/local/bin
[23:05] <mercury00> iocory: file will say either it's a symlink, a script, or a binary executable
[23:06] <mercury00> iocory: ah.
[23:06] <OiCory> actually there isnt a symlink in /usr/local/bin
[23:06] <OiCory> should I make one
[23:07] <OiCory> ?
[23:07] <mercury00> Anyone an NFS/idmapd expert?
[23:07] <mercury00> iocory: if you like, so that seamonkey is in the path. IE, if you type 'which seamonkey' on the terminal now, what does it say?
[23:07] <Dr_willis> once you figure out what command in  /opt/seamonkey/ works. you make a script  in /usr/local/bin to cd to that dir, and run that command
[23:08] <OiCory> mercury00: typing "which seamonkey" results in nothing
[23:08] <mercury00> iocory: oh yeah, what dr_willis says, make a script because the rest of the seamonkey files may want to be in the current working directory when called
[23:09] <Dr_willis> id check askubuntu.com to seeif they got some info on setting up seamonkey
[23:09] <OiCory> all the executable files in the folder give the same error, that the file or folder isnt found
[23:09] <MelRay> WNDR4500 dual band router..getting static ip's next week so I can run my own services. I will use one in my router configuration, but am unsure how I will point the other 4 back to services I want to run on the server? like ftp, mail,apache
[23:09] <mercury00> iocory: yes so, currently seamonkey is not in the path, so placing a script in /usr/local/bin will change that. again, I'd suggest using pushd when changing the working directory in a script
[23:10] <mercury00> melray: will you install dd-wrt or other such open firmware?
[23:10] <Dr_willis> OiCory,  you may want to ask in #seamonkey if it exists
[23:10] <OiCory> mercury00: so the script should look like #!/bin/sh
[23:10] <OiCory> pushd /opt/seamonkey2/seamonkey
[23:10] <MelRay> mercury00: I had not planned on it, though had looked on open router
[23:10] <OiCory> ./seamonkey &    ?
[23:11] <mercury00> melray: it's pretty simple in something like dd-wrt, but fine in other router software too, just suggesting dd-wrt because it's extremely customizable and has so many possbile features,
[23:11]  * Dr_willis noticed in the seamonkey archives theres a 'run-mozilla.sh'
[23:11] <Dr_willis> so THATS what you run
[23:12] <OiCory> Dr_willis: btw there is not #seamonkey
[23:12] <Dr_willis> !lis
[23:12] <Dr_willis> !alis
[23:12] <MelRay> mercury00: So what kind of risk is there in flashing my firmware over to use it? I assume the usual you could really bork your router if you don't follow the directions?
[23:12] <mercury00> oicory: ah, right, seamonkey needs to set up all kinds of env and profile stuff, so I think something like run-mozilla.sh does that
[23:13] <mercury00> melray: anyway, you're basically just looking for port forwarding.
[23:13] <Gabboz> MelRay, just don't flash over wifi and if you have a UPC, plug the devices into that to avoid power failure.
[23:13] <OiCory> mercury00 dr_willis: ok so I go to /opt/seamonkey and run it?
[23:13] <Dr_willis> OiCory,  try it and see.. i said earlier theres most likely a script you run...
[23:13] <MelRay> mercury00: Got ya..thanks...you too Gabboz
[23:13] <mercury00> melray: yes,  you can totally brick the router, so if you do the firmware update, be sure to carefully read the readme's twice.
[23:14] <Dr_willis> Lots of SeaMonkey developers and users also gather on IRC in the #seamonkey channel on irc.mozilla.org
[23:14] <Dr_willis> from the seamonkey homepage/docs...
[23:14] <Gabboz> MelRay, to add.. DD isn't for everyone.. for many TomatoUSB is a great alternative(based on DD) that has a simpler interface.
[23:14] <mercury00> melray: I updated my 3700 and it was actually extremely easy.  I just used the router's own tool, reset, and was done.
[23:14] <tones> Dr_Willis are you a developer?
[23:14] <Dr_willis> nope
[23:15] <mercury00> melray: but having said that, I did my homework and made sure I had exactly the right firmware files, and also I crossed my fingers.
[23:15] <MelRay> mercury00: Ahh like backing up the firmware to an earlier version...
[23:15] <ur0pl> the panel on the left does not show up when i start my window maanger, the onyl one thing i can think of is to reinstall ubuntu, but i do not want to do that... i rather fix the problem rather than run from it
[23:15] <OiCory> my parents randomly decided to bust up in my appartment. lol brb,
[23:16] <Gabboz> MelRay, another thing, hit the search engines and reference your router and DD/tomato and read up on potential pitfalls others may have experienced with flashing.
[23:16] <mercury00> melray: yes, all the router's I've used have a built in way to upgrade the bios from for example a file downloaded from the manufacturers web site,
[23:17] <mercury00> melray: anyway, what I do on my own network is tell my router the MAC address of my server, and assign it a static ip from the router side, then, set up all the port forwarding to that ip address
[23:17] <DS-labs> Hi
[23:17] <ur0pl> i dont want to reinstall ubuntu whenever i have a problem
[23:17] <DS-labs> What's the problem?
[23:17] <mercury00> melray: everthing that goes to my ip on those ports only see that server
[23:18] <tones> ur0pl, you can make a disk image
[23:18] <MelRay> Ahhh now I get it...makes sense..
[23:18] <SonikkuAmerica> elky: You're still in operator mode...
[23:18] <MelRay> I put in a second nic...I ran a dual homed box many years back...
[23:18] <ur0pl> tones, what do you mean?
[23:19] <DS-labs> any apache2 experts in here?
[23:19] <mercury00> ds-labs: possibly
[23:20] <tones> ur0pl, a program like Clonezilla can act as a quick system restore, and reset your system in just a few minutes
[23:20] <mercury00> ur0pl: the panel on the left should be in , what, the view menu I think? You are using nautilus?
[23:20] <tones> there are others
[23:20] <DS-labs> vhost question if anyone knows a lot about those I'd like to ask for a PM :)
[23:21] <mercury00> DS-labs: ah, is it for sensitive info, or just to not spam the channel?
[23:21] <mercury00> ds-labs: because usually, otherwise, it's fine to ask in this channel
[23:21] <DS-labs> both :)
[23:21] <DS-labs> I don't want to spam the channel with my questions
[23:21] <MelRay> mercury00:: Have you ever played with Zentyal? It is pretty cool..runs on a 12.04 ubuntu server setup...they just added a web interface to setup the different services...pretty fun to do in vmware workstation...
[23:22] <MelRay> DS-labs:: Use pastebin
[23:24] <ur0pl> what is the program, the command line name for that program that allows you to pick sources and what source packages, i need that so i can install additional drivers of fglrx
[23:24] <MelRay> ur0pl:: Ummm apt-get?
[23:25] <MelRay> ur0pl:: You need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list to add the repos
[23:25] <ur0pl> in the control panel
[23:25] <ur0pl> system settings
[23:26] <ur0pl> what is the name of that, how do i load that from CUI
[23:26] <DS-labs> ur0pl you mean sudo add-apt PPA
[23:26] <DS-labs> ooh software sources
[23:26] <RudeViper> Does anyone here have any experience in setting up a NAS on Ubuntu Sever? I'm having trouble getting the data drives set up.
[23:26] <ur0pl> there is one that says "Software & Updates"
[23:26] <ur0pl> i need to load that via CUI
[23:27] <th0r> RudeViper: you will get better answers if you ask better questions
[23:28] <RudeViper> I would if I knew what to ask. Thats why I was specific with the first part of the question....
[23:28] <RudeViper> I'll explain the problem....
[23:29] <flx1rc1> what NAS device u got?
[23:30] <RudeViper> I'm using a computer for the nas
[23:30] <flx1rc1> what os does that computer have?
[23:30] <flx1rc1> so your just setting up a network share
[23:31] <MelRay> !NAS
[23:31] <RudeViper> yes - but I can't seem to access the data portion of the drive
[23:31] <RudeViper> I have a 500 gb hd partitioned to 35 gb for the os and the rest for data - I have been following the directions @ https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hFw1YnH9s-1Y9M4VPLgPOOjm1iH6PJOHefg5NhGC4oA/edit?pli=1
[23:31] <RudeViper> I have added a 1tb also and that one I can access - but not the rest of the 500gb
[23:31] <Archguy> what command will give me this sort of an output for the partitions: http://pastie.org/8002673 ?
[23:33] <flx1rc1> df
[23:33] <Archguy> cheers
[23:34] <Gabboz> RudeViper, you mean you cant access because of permission?
[23:34] <MelRay> Gotta run thanks everyone for the help!
[23:34] <Archguy> not exactly actually df doesn't give me exactly that sort of output, I don't see labels or type
[23:34] <flx1rc1> RudeViper, prolly your samba config is not all setup
[23:35] <RudeViper> I am not sure - It either doesn't show up - or when I rebooted now it just says can't caccess disc01
[23:35] <flx1rc1> df -T for type
[23:35] <zykotick9> Archguy: i've never seen that exact output, so not sure.  but "sudo blkid" will show labels... good luck.
[23:36] <RudeViper> I'm sorry - I typed that wrong - it says can't mount the drive
[23:36] <th0r> RudeViper: have you installed samba? Have you installed swat? Have you defined shares for both shared partitions?
[23:36] <ur0pl> i'm reinstalling ubuntu. this is getting as bad as windows
[23:37] <th0r> RudeViper: have you defined samba users, and given them samba passwords?
[23:37] <RudeViper> samba yes - suat - wasn't in the instructions - and shares worked for the 1tb drive but not the other one
[23:37] <facmed> hello guys, I'm trying yo configure an auto-start script using crontab, but for some reaseon doesn't work
[23:37] <facmed> someone can help me? pls
[23:38] <RudeViper> incidently - the drive I can't access is on the same physical drive as the os
[23:38] <facmed> this is my crontab script:
[23:38] <facmed> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5731046/
[23:38] <facmed> I installed freenet only to see her contrab line; and copy it
[23:38] <flx1rc1> RudeViper: u should spend some time on samba setup tutorial or something, make sure the partition you want to share is mounted somwhere on your file system and make sure that location is in a share section in your samba config
[23:39] <facmed> but still doen't run the script after reboot
[23:39] <facmed> if I run "/home/facmed/.scripts/run.sh" it work fine
[23:39] <facmed> *"sh/home/facmed/.scripts/run.sh"
[23:40] <RudeViper> Actually I have never seen a samba setup tutorial - I was following a set of instructions I posted above - but I'll go look for one
[23:40] <RudeViper> But even if I don't find the answer - this won't be the place I look again
[23:40] <flx1rc1> lol ok
[23:43] <facmed> no one ;_;
[23:43] <flx1rc1> facmed: ive never tried that @reboot thing in my crontab
[23:44] <flx1rc1> ive used initd
[23:44] <facmed> initd?
[23:44] <flx1rc1> yeah
[23:44] <flx1rc1> initd
[23:45] <facmed> but i don't want to run my script in root mode
[23:45] <flx1rc1> init is the first process that starts in user mode after reboot, initd can launch other processes basically you can add a boot-up script i think htats what youre trying to do
[23:45] <facmed> only normal user
[23:45] <facmed> it is hard to learn?
[23:46] <flx1rc1> haha
[23:46] <flx1rc1> only for some
[23:46] <flx1rc1> read this
[23:46] <flx1rc1> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/28
[23:48] <facmed> ok, thanks
[23:48] <facmed> just one more question
[23:48] <facmed> this is my script
[23:48] <facmed> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5731071/
[23:48] <OiCory> ok I'm back
[23:48] <facmed> Can I run this by init.d without problems?
[23:48] <flx1rc1> only 1 way to find out
[23:54] <facmed> thanks
[23:54] <OiCory> Ok, so I am trying to install Seamonkey, I extracted it to /opt/seamonkey, created a symlink in /usr/loca/bin and tried to run 'run-mozilla.sh' but it says cannot execute
[23:55] <Jordan_U> OiCory: Please don't paraphrase error messages. What is the exact text of the error message?
[23:55] <jrib> OiCory: is there a reason you don't just use firefox (and benefit from repository updates)
[23:56] <jrib> oh wait I'm thinking of iceweasel
[23:56] <OiCory> i didnt paraphrase. it says "run-mozilla.sh: Cannot execute."
[23:56] <OiCory> jrib: yea I want it because it is a webdesign suite
[23:57] <flx1rc1> , eh is your sh script executable?
[23:57] <flx1rc1> chmod +x ?
[23:57] <SuperLag> beat me to it
[23:57] <OiCory> flx1rc1: yup,
[23:57] <SuperLag> ls -l
[23:57] <SuperLag> put the perms here
[23:58] <OiCory> SuperLag: -rwxr-xr-x  1 cory cory     8915 Jun  3 19:15
[23:58] <SuperLag> sure enough.
[23:58] <SuperLag> odd
[23:58] <jrib> OiCory: is there a reason you don't use one of the PPAs at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SeaMonkey ?
[23:58] <flx1rc1> you could also try to source it
[23:58] <flx1rc1> . run-mozilla.sh
[23:59] <SuperLag> flx1rc1: what's the difference?
[23:59] <OiCory> jrib: I tried to install it via package manager by adding ppa:bratherlui/seamonkey
[23:59] <flx1rc1> SuperLag: between what
[23:59] <OiCory> jrib: And it doesnt show even after apt-get update
[23:59] <jrib> OiCory: what ubuntu version are you using?


[05:34] <pitti> Good morning
[05:39] <balloons> pitti, man, you have an early timezone :-)
[05:40] <balloons> gout nacht
[05:42] <pitti> balloons: sleep well!
[07:20] <jibel> good morning
[07:23] <pitti> bonjour jibel, ça va?
[07:24] <jibel> bonjour pitti. ça va bien et toi ? I wish it will be a surprise-less day unlike yesterday :)
[07:24] <pitti> jibel: heh, without jenkins crumbling underneath you, you mean?
[07:25] <jibel> pitti, yes
[07:33] <jibel> pitti, I forwarded you a feature request from jodh. He'd like to run tests in a container, inside the testbed
[07:33] <jibel> this is for the case where a test can potentially kill itself
[07:35] <pitti> thanks, I'll have a look
[12:42] <apw> gema, yo ... we have boot speed testing going on on an ongoing basis right ... where is that so i can see when a regression was introduced
[12:43] <gema> apw: it is not completely populated yet
[12:43] <apw> ?
[12:43] <apw> i thought you guys took that over like a year ago
[12:44] <gema> we did and then we realised that the data we were producing was completely irrelevant with variation of up to 50% between runs
[12:44] <gema> so we are refurbishing it
[12:44] <gema> and some bug in the desktop hit us, but let me see how much data we have in staging, just a sec
[12:45] <gema> apw: I was planning to have this up and running before the new year, but we got delayed
[14:23] <rbasak> Battling with adt-run today, and the manpage makes little sense to me
[14:23] <rbasak> How do I get adt-run to test using the tests in an unbuilt local tree, but using a package from the repository?
[14:24] <rbasak> I feel that somebody could really do with going through all the documentation for the "developing dep8 tests for the first time" use case.
[14:31] <rbasak> "SKIP Test breaks testbed but testbed does not advertise revert-full-system" - well OK, but I need to override that. I know that'll break the system.
[14:57] <cprofitt> is Mike still using the jedimike handle on irc?
[15:11] <roadmr> cprofitt: yep, he just doesn't seem to be online right now
[16:22] <cprofitt> roadmr: thanks


[00:00] <bschaefer> sure, that'll be fun
[00:00] <bschaefer> is it a bit different than: ppa:canonical-x/x-staging
[00:01] <bschaefer> oo thats xmirs rebased...nm!
[01:48] <bschaefer> RAOF, Im still dropping a lot of events with the new 1.14 server :(, though it hasnt caused the server to crash yet
[01:48] <RAOF> Hm.
[01:49] <RAOF> Still dropping events in a libdrm-intel ioctl?
[01:49]  * bschaefer looks
[01:50] <bschaefer> seems to be: (EE) 11: /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (ioctl+0x19) [0xb72160c9]
[01:50] <bschaefer> which is above:
[01:50] <bschaefer> (EE) 13: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libdrm_intel.so.1 (0xb6aff000+0x5d6c) [0xb6b04d6c]
[01:50] <bschaefer> (EE) 14: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libdrm_intel.so.1 (drm_intel_bo_subdata+0x28) [0xb6b011f8]
[01:51] <bschaefer> though this time mir isn't mentioned in the stacktraces
[02:09] <RAOF> bschaefer: Do you know if that happens outside of Mir?
[02:12] <bschaefer> RAOF, I have not tested that, but i've not noticed theses things until I swiched to xmir
[02:12] <bschaefer> RAOF, let me see if I can get these problems when just using plain old X
[02:13] <RAOF> Ta.
[02:14] <bschaefer> np, and thanks for looking at the log!
[02:32] <bschaefer> so far, plain X everythings fine...but Ill see what happens with working on it all day tomorrow
[03:10] <RAOF> setup-partial-android-chroot.sh is annoying :(
[03:18] <duflu> RAOF: Yep. Enhancements welcome
[03:19] <duflu> RAOF: How so?
[03:19] <duflu> RAOF: Also, if you're still tinkering in this, please unset Needs review: prober-drm-device-probe
[03:19] <RAOF> duflu: No, should now be good.
[03:19] <RAOF> Should have been good the last go around, but setup-partial-android-chroot.sh broke it.
[03:20] <duflu> ?
[03:20] <duflu> Farq. Another ABI bump?!
[03:20] <RAOF> Because libhybris added a dependency, and setup-partial-android-chroot doesn't use apt.
[03:20] <duflu> Come on people...
[03:21] <RAOF> What? When?
[03:23] <duflu> RAOF: Ahem. Just in the proposal I'm testing. Not as bad as I feared
[03:25] <duflu> RAOF: What's the new dep?
[03:25] <RAOF> libandroid-properties1
[03:25]  * duflu shrugs
[03:25] <RAOF> (Or see the merge proposal)
[03:43] <duflu> RAOF: Hmm, so I can't run any *-tests any more? Is there a compromise possible?
[03:44] <RAOF> I could push down the check so that you can't run any gbm tests, but I'm not sure if that's a good idea.
[03:45] <RAOF> Basically, the further down I push that check, (a) the more complicated it is, and (b) the less obvious it is that you're not running the full test suite.
[03:45] <duflu> RAOF: Yeah that's what I was suggesting originally
[03:46]  * duflu hacks it up
[03:54] <kgunn> since i am xmir'ing now....ran my own data
[03:55] <duflu> ?...
[05:09] <robert_ancell> RAOF, is vladmir the correct branch on https://github.com/RAOF/xserver?
[05:10] <robert_ancell> and egl-platform-mir on https://github.com/RAOF/mesa?
[05:10] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Correct.
[05:41] <RAOF> Anyone want to top-approve https://code.launchpad.net/~raof/mir/prober-drm-device-probe/+merge/170765 ? There have been enough changes since the other two approvals that it's probably worth a second lookover.
[06:01] <tvoss> kgunn, ping
[06:07] <duflu> Hmm 1am. Good luck :)
[06:11] <RAOF> tvoss: Good morning!
[06:12] <tvoss> RAOF, good afternoon :) how goes?
[06:12] <RAOF> tvoss: Feel like top-approving https://code.launchpad.net/~raof/mir/prober-drm-device-probe/+merge/170765 ? :)
[06:12] <tvoss> RAOF, for sure :
[06:12] <tvoss> )
[06:12] <RAOF> Assuming you approve of disabling the whole testsuite when umockdev is not available.
[06:22] <tvoss> RAOF, mind renaming TESTS_ENABLED to MIR_TESTS_ENABLED?
[06:23] <RAOF> Not at all.
[06:23] <mlankhorst> smurf everything
[06:24] <RAOF> tvoss: Anything else?
[06:25]  * duflu thinks mlankhorst might have a valid point
[06:28] <tvoss> RAOF, nope
[06:30] <RAOF> Dear System76 Galago: make with the getting here faster.
[06:33]  * duflu gives in and grabs the Mesa source as *documentation*
[06:36] <RAOF> duflu: Hunting down bypass support? :)
[06:36] <duflu> RAOF: Not even that. Hunting down an understanding of src/server/*
[06:37] <RAOF> Ah.
[06:37] <duflu> Hmm. GBM has documentation but it's buried in the source package as alf mentioned. They really should have put it in the header
[06:38] <RAOF> Or even build it and ship it? :)
[06:39] <duflu> Yeah, shipping the docs would be nice.
[06:54] <duflu> alf: Hello...
[06:54] <alf> duflu: hi :)
[06:54] <duflu> alf: "Schedule the current front buffer object for display" ... how is it GBM doesn't think the "front buffer" is front?
[06:55] <duflu> Or is it just a "new" frontbuffer object each time?
[06:56] <tvoss> duflu, mind if I top-approve the prober-mp?
[06:56] <duflu> tvoss: My eyes are closed.
[06:57] <duflu> .. which means I will mind later when I open them. But that won't be today
[06:57] <tvoss> duflu, ack ;)
[06:58] <alf> duflu: gbm doesn't handle display itself, it just has a surface with two (or conceivably) more buffers. When we swap the buffers we get a new front buffer that we are responsible for displaying if we want.
[06:58] <duflu> alf: I am very confused by that terminology. "Front" usually means the one and only buffer visible right now
[07:03] <alf> duflu: this is the front buffer from the surface's perspective (the one that should be visible, gbm_surface_lock_front_buffer()), independent of what is actually displayed.
[07:05] <duflu> alf: That makes sense. I'm just trying to understand why GBM says you call gbm_surface_lock_front_buffer _after_ swap buffers
[07:06] <duflu> alf: Oh, yes, I see. Because swap buffers is not "visible" either. You still have to flip it (which is another buffer swap of sorts)
[07:07] <alf> duflu: right, the swapping operation is independent of displaying any buffers, it's literally just swapping two buffers.
[07:41] <hikiko> I forgot my objectives :/
[07:44] <tvoss> hikiko, ?
[07:45] <hikiko> I forgot to set them this weekend and now I can't do it anymore
[07:45] <hikiko> :s
[07:51]  * RAOF returns from his impromptu IRC bouncer explosion
[08:12] <alan_g> Good morning all, you've had a busy week and a day!
[08:18] <duflu> alan_g: Hello. Yes it seems to always be busy
[08:18] <duflu> I find myself drawing up a class  diagram for parts of mirserver. Has anyone else does this yet?...
[08:19] <alan_g> hi duflu - I see you've taken on comp-bypass. Got all you need>
[08:19] <alan_g> *?
[08:19] <alan_g> @diagram - only the one in the source tree (which is less granular)
[08:20] <duflu> alan_g: All except about 1 month of learning libmirserver's workings I think
[08:20] <duflu> alan_g: Yeah my diagram is quite disparate to the Architecture.dia
[08:20] <alan_g> Doesn't doygen do diagrams if you've got dot?
[08:21] <duflu> Hmm, I suspect it might
[08:22] <duflu> alan_g: Yes doxygen does one diagram per class. I need more
[08:25] <duflu> Oh, there's a more complete one: http://unity.ubuntu.com/mir/inherits.html
[08:27] <alan_g> If that doesn't suit it ought to be possible to munge the doxygen representation - I know folks do that
[08:33] <duflu> On that note, the doxygen style feels a bit ugly and more difficult to navigate than it should be. Can we configure it for other HTML styles?
[08:35] <alan_g> duflu: there are a lot of config options.  IIRC tvoss found a volunteer to investigate (I don't remember who) but I never heard any more.
[08:35] <tvoss> alan_g, that guy never came back to me :/
[08:35] <tvoss> alan_g, welcome back
[08:36] <alan_g> duflu: here's one starting point: http://www.stack.nl/~dimitri/doxygen/manual/customize.html
[08:37] <duflu> Ah, too technical. I was thinking more like pick and choose a "theme"
[08:38] <alan_g> duflu: I've seen mention of a graphical front-end.
[08:39]  * alan_g doesn't believe it is as easy as wordpress
[08:40] <iceroot> hi
[08:41] <RAOF> hey.
[08:41] <iceroot> i am running MIR at the moment and i dont see a real difference to X11 (just a broken mouse pointer), can you recommend a ressource where i will find examples to test out the advantages of MIR? so it would be easier to understand MIR
[08:43] <RAOF> At the moment the advantages are mostly latent. There are a bunch of demos in the mir-demos package, but nothing particularly "wow"
[08:44] <RAOF> Mostly the advantages are when the shell (ie: unity) becomes the display server as well.
[08:45] <iceroot> maybe there is something like "ssh -X" which is running much better then on old X11
[08:45] <RAOF> Nope; we've got no special remote protocol.
[08:46] <RAOF> What we should have for 13.10 is nicer boot→greeter→login→user switch→shutdown transitions.
[08:48] <iceroot> when my vga is fully supported will i face differences/problems when using games from steam? or is this not realted to MIR but just the display driver itself? the programs dont need a change?
[08:52] <RAOF> The programs don't need to change; we'll support running X11 apps for the forseeable future.
[08:52] <RAOF> (They may get the ability to be more awesome if they do change, though)
[08:56] <duflu> alf: Roughly speaking a DisplayBuffer is presently an output, and "Display" is the set of all outputs, right?
[08:57] <duflu> So in Compiz-speak DisplayBuffer==Output and Display==Screen
[08:57] <duflu> Though it would all sound the same to the casual reader
[08:58] <dholbach> hey, so I'm trying to follow the build instructions for mir, but I run into the following:
[08:58] <dholbach> CMake Error at shared/protobuf/CMakeLists.txt:11 (protobuf_generate_cpp):
[08:58] <dholbach>   Unknown CMake command "protobuf_generate_cpp".
[08:58] <dholbach> ^ any advice?
[09:00] <alf> duflu: correct, with the detail that a DisplayBuffer could be shared by different physical monitors (e.g. if we are cloning), so it's not strictly DisplayBuffer==Output
[09:00] <duflu> alf: Sure. OK thanks
[09:00] <iceroot> RAOF: thank you for the useful info
[09:02] <alan_g> dholbach: that sounds like you're missing the protobuf dependency. Did you get errors running "sudo mk-build-deps --install --tool "apt-get -y" --build-dep debian/control"?
[09:03] <duflu> dholbach: It's actually part of CMake (you need a newer CMake): http://www.cmake.org/cmake/help/v2.8.8/cmake.html#module:FindProtobuf
[09:04] <dholbach> duflu, I'm on saucy - how do we build mir in the ppa then? I didn't see a newer cmake in there
[09:05] <duflu> dholbach: Oh actually seems like we might be missing:
[09:05] <duflu> find_package(Protobuf REQUIRED)
[09:05] <duflu> Which should come before the function
[09:05] <duflu> Not sure why it works for the rest of us
[09:06] <dholbach> so if I install all the build dependencies, should  bzr branch lp:mir; cd mir;mkdir build; cd build; cmake ..  succeed?
[09:06] <duflu> dholbach: Yes. Otherwise it's a bug (which is quite possible)
[09:06] <duflu> dholbach: Actually the top-level CMakeLists.txt gets protobuf, which should be inherited in subdirs
[09:07] <dholbach> ok, nevermind - I got it working now - I had to regenerate the cmake data bits after I installed all the build-deps
[09:07] <dholbach> thanks duflu
[09:07] <duflu> dholbach: Cool. Yes CMake often thinks its cache is clean when it's not :/
[09:09] <NikTh> Hello everyone
[09:10] <NikTh> duflu: available ?
[09:10] <duflu> NikTh, yes?
[09:10] <NikTh> Is it a good idea to re-install the system, make all the updates and activate again the PPA to see what's happen ?
[09:11] <NikTh> Now things are messed up. From 4 reboots, 1 can start the display manager with a corrupted desktop (but as you said this is not xmir's problem) and other 3 cannot even start a display manager, I cannot even switch to a VT.
[09:11] <NikTh> If I re-install the system and things are good, we can close this bug as fix released or invalid.. maybe.
[09:11] <NikTh> What you say ?
[09:11] <NikTh> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1196355
[09:13] <duflu> NikTh, I find sometimes with similar issues, I just need to delete ".Xauthority" from the home directory to get my desktop back
[09:13] <duflu> Delete it and then reboot, try again
[09:13] <NikTh> duflu: I have already tried this but to no avail :)
[09:15] <duflu> NikTh: OK, well if it's causing such system-wide issues and you can't debug it further by yourself, then yes I would suggest a full re-install and avoiding all PPAs. Because PPAs are use-at-your-own-risk
[09:16] <NikTh> duflu: The PPA and my own-risk is not the problem. I created this installation to test xmir and help.. (in any way I can- I'm not a programmer)
[09:16] <NikTh> To report bugs.. etc
[09:17] <NikTh> But now, I cannot do much. The system is unusable. If I re-install and after full updates, the same problem occurs, then this is definitely a bug. And you(we) should check it, seriously.
[09:18] <NikTh> But If I re-install and after full updates, this is not happen , maybe we can close this as invalid or something ;)
[09:19] <NikTh> xmir will be the default Display Server in 13.10 as I know. If I (or some other people) cannot install and use 13.10... well I guess this is a problem :)
[09:20] <NikTh> What you suggest. To re-install, or wait for updates ? I can still update the system. I can chroot.
[09:21] <duflu> NikTh: I know it's something that needs wider testing. But at the same time, we can only easily fix the bugs that we (any Mir developer) can reproduce.
[09:22] <duflu> Other bugs are still bugs, certainly, but we can't fix them (knowingly and confidently) without reproducing them
[09:23] <NikTh> hmm.. I think I understand that. Then I guess 13.10 will be a "testing release" for xmir. When you getting in to universe and apport works, It will be easier to report bugs.
[09:25] <duflu> NikTh: Certainly managing bugs will be easier when everyone is using the same installation and updates (13.10)
[09:25] <NikTh> Then I will leave it to your judge to do whatever you want with my report :)
[09:26] <duflu> NikTh: Incomplete can stay so indefinitely. And if more information comes up, even from other people, then it can be re-opened and work continue on that bug
[09:26] <NikTh> More info came from me last night. See the last logs but I don't know if they help.
[09:27] <NikTh> OK, nice talking to you.. I have to leave now. :)
[09:27] <NikTh> duflu: Thanks )
[09:35] <duflu> Hmm, doxygen documents deleted methods. Useful
[10:00] <alf> duflu: @threadsafe-clients, are the locks recursive to handle the protobuf RPC "done" callbacks?
[10:01] <duflu> alf: Actually they're recursive because they used to be around all client callbacks too. But no longer. I'm not sure if there's a remaining need for recursiveness, but that bug is still open
[10:02] <duflu> Good point, but I must go set dinner on fire
[10:11] <dholbach> so I just built mir locally and built RAOF's xserver branch with --enable-xmir - it can't seem to find mir_client_library.h though (it was placed in /usr/local/include/mirclient/mir_toolkit/mir_client_library.h) - anything I probably missed somewhere?
[10:11] <dholbach> basically what I ran into was: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5835758/
[11:31] <greyback> hi folks, am having problem with Mir with egl clients. They fail with libegl - unsupported platform (null)
[11:32] <greyback> alan_g: ^ any idea?
[11:34] <alan_g> greyback: on desktop?
[11:34] <greyback> alan_g: yep
[11:35] <alan_g> Last time I had that it was because of a bad mesa version (caused by the repo being messed up)
[11:36] <greyback> alan_g: what mesa package version have you? Are accelerated demo clients working ok for you? I'm using mir staging
[11:38] <alan_g> greyback: I'm about a week out of date - been on vacation and not updated
[11:39] <greyback> ok
[11:39] <alan_g> alf: anything you're aware of ^^
[11:44] <alf> greyback: what version does dpkg -s libegl1-mesa give you?
[11:44] <alf> alan_g: I am not aware of any problems
[11:44] <greyback> alf: 9.2~git20130628.g6b676e6-0ubuntu0+mir1-jenkins83saucy0
[11:45] <alf> greyback: is mir from the ppa too, or are you building from source?
[11:45] <greyback> alf: from mir staging ppa
[11:46] <greyback> as are all the mir-related packages on my machine right now
[12:15] <greyback> alf: any ideas? My problem or no?
[12:19] <alf> greyback: Does mir server start fine, only clients fail?
[12:22] <greyback> alf: server fine. unaccelerated clients fine. Only those using egl
[12:25] <kgunn> greyback: i would change ppa to be system-compositor-testing
[12:25] <kgunn> http://unity.ubuntu.com/mir/installing_prebuilt_on_pc.html
[12:25] <kgunn> the staging ppa is wild west
[12:26] <greyback> kgunn: apparantly so.
[12:27] <kgunn> greyback: note, if you're running xmir....they moved type==unity to a "unitysystemcompositor" conf file (out of lightdm)
[12:27] <kgunn> just in case you're toggling xmir/x in lightdm....it could trip you up
[12:27] <greyback> kgunn: noted, thanks
[12:31] <greyback> rebooting
[13:15] <didrocks> kgunn: hey! how are you?
[13:15] <kgunn> didrocks: good (crazy times)
[13:16] <didrocks> kgunn: I'm looking at the progress on https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bugs?field.tag=entering-saucy and it doesn't seem good (the only ones which are fixed committed are the copyright stuff my team worked on with robert)
[13:16] <didrocks> kgunn: FYI, since Thursday, I have nothing I can do more to get mir under dailies, the ball is in your team's camp :)
[13:16] <didrocks> (for daily release and then distro)
[13:16] <didrocks> just as a reminder, the armhf FTBFS is a blocker for dailies
[13:17] <kgunn> didrocks: understood...
[13:17] <didrocks> the rest are blockers for distro
[13:17] <didrocks> kgunn: do you have any idea for a date at least to get dailies?
[13:17] <kgunn> didrocks: yeah, bregma was looking at arm build and it was canadian holiday yesterday
[13:17] <didrocks> kgunn: ok, please keep me in touch :)
[13:18]  * bregma lifts his groggy head
[13:18] <kgunn> :)
[13:44] <kgunn> alan_g: alf question...regarding swapinterval(0), i noticed a caveat on kdub's mp, that it'll work for work for gbm ipc clients only
[13:45] <kgunn> doesn't that only really mean you couldn't get the shell to set it via this mech
[13:45] <kgunn> ?
[13:45] <kgunn> e.g. any other app will work just fine
[13:52] <alf> kgunn: that MP implements SwapInterval support for IPC clients only, native client (e.g. the shell) support hasn't been implemented yet.
[13:53] <kgunn> alf thanks...i was just verifying my thot/understanding. hooray...i understood
[13:54] <kgunn> alf: which also means, we need a cooresponding bit in xmir to pass it through....which probably isn't there yet ?
[13:54] <alf> kgunn: I think the code in Mesa is already hooked up
[13:55] <alf> kgunn: so in theory now eglSwapInterval(0) from a IPC client should work
[13:57] <alan_g> WTF? ctest only runs 2 tests
[13:57] <kgunn> alf: thanks
[13:58] <alf> alan_g: there were some changes while you were away... we decided that TDD isn't worth it after all :D
[13:58]  * alan_g is glad he hasn't signed the new contract
[14:00] <kgunn> :)
[14:03] <alan_g> alf: is it just me? OR has something changed?
[14:05] <alf> alan_g: ctest runs fine for me. I remember having come across a similar situation and the solution was a fresh build in my case.
[14:06] <alan_g> alf: tried that, and deleting the cmake cache and regenerating
[14:06] <alf> alan_g: ahh, got it... apt-get install libumockdev-dev
[14:07] <alan_g> ?
[14:07] <alan_g> That's why my test binaries are old?
[14:09] <alan_g> Couldn't cmake give me a useful message instead of dropping build targets?
[14:09] <alf> alan_g: https://code.launchpad.net/~raof/mir/prober-drm-device-probe/+merge/170765 check comments from 2013-07-01 and on
[14:12]  * alan_g glad he's not the only one not happy with this
[14:12] <kdub> good morning
[14:13] <alan_g> LOL
[14:36] <kdub> welcome back alan_g
[14:36] <alan_g> thanks kdub - looks like fun has been had while I was away
[14:36] <greyback> hey, I'm using the cross-compiler script to build Mir. Is failing with this error: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5836380/
[14:37] <greyback> where do I get libandroid-properties.so.1 ?
[14:38] <kdub> greyback, i'll look for it...
[14:38] <kdub> hopefully the script isnt broken
[14:41] <greyback> kdub: thanks!
[14:46] <kdub> greyback, i see the script in lp:mir downloading that dependency... perhaps merge the tip of lp:mir?
[14:46] <kdub> and regenerate the ndk
[14:48] <greyback> kdub: by "regenerate the ndk" you mean what exactly?
[14:49] <kdub> rm the partial-armhf-chroot in the build directory
[14:49] <greyback> gotcha
[14:49] <kdub> greyback, the file appears to be in 'libandroid-properties1', by the way
[14:50] <greyback> kdub: makes sense :)
[14:50] <greyback> it's been downloaded into the chroot anyway
[14:58] <kgunn> rebooting
[15:08] <kdub> doh, my mir-devel mails were ending up in a never checked gmail folder -_-
[15:14] <greyback> oh today is not my day with Mir. I'm on GalaxyNexus, using saucy flipped image, installed the mir-team/staging PPA, now mir_demo_server* fails this this error : http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5836465/
[15:15] <kdub> greyback, somehow, you look to be loading the mesa drivers
[15:16]  * alf is unhappy that umockdev is leaking memory and his tests fail under valgrind :/
[15:17] <greyback> kdub: sorry to sound like an idiot, but what driver should load?
[15:17] <alan_g> alf should punish those that approved the MP
[15:17] <kdub> greyback, it should link tho the hybris egl implementations, not the mesa ones. check where libEGL.so is resolving into
[15:18] <greyback> alan_g: that's what reverting is for :)
[15:18] <alan_g> alf: ^
[15:18] <alf> greyback: alan_g: that's what whips are for ;)
[15:26] <greyback> kdub: yep is mesa. but no idea where the hybris egl implementation is.
[15:29] <kdub> greyback, i'd make sure you have libhybris installed (although i think its default on phablet)
[15:29] <kdub> /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libhybris-egl/libEGL.so.1.0.0
[15:39] <greyback> kdub: libhybris installed ok, but seems all mir demos are linked to mesa
[16:36]  * alan_g has just lost all his window decorations
[16:47] <kdub> we have like an 'on air' meeting in a bit?
[16:48] <kdub> is that still true jono? :)
[16:49] <dholbach> kdub, AFAIK it's kgunn, jono, pmcgowan, mramm, thostr_ (and a few others) giving a weekly update on ubuntuonair.com
[16:50] <dholbach> or did kgunn send you as his replacement? :)
[16:50] <kgunn> dholbach: coming....
[16:50] <kdub> dholbach, nah, just made a note of 'mir meeting 5pm utc today' while reading planet ubuntu a while back
[16:51] <dholbach> ahhhh ok
[16:51] <kgunn> work still happens before the weekly ;)
[16:52] <jono> kdub, Mir meeting is after the weekly update
[17:02] <alan_g> Goodbye all
[17:10] <kdub> english needs more synonyms for 'surface'
[17:22] <kdub> racarr got lucky revno #800
[17:30] <kgunn> kdub: i feel totally challenged....synonyms for surface
[17:30] <kgunn> kdub: skin
[17:35] <baronos> the last daily-live image the ubuntu is already with the mir by default?
[17:42] <ogra_> baronos, images are only built from packages in the ubuntu archive ... Mir is not in the archive yet
[17:42] <baronos> ok, thanks :)
[17:57] <tvoss> RAOF, you about?
[17:58] <RAOF> Yes.
[17:59] <robert_ancell> thomi, there?
[17:59] <tvoss> RAOF, mute mic and cam
[17:59] <tvoss> :)
[18:56] <thomi> robert_ancell: no, sorry, but I am now
[18:56] <robert_ancell> thomi, np, on air session finishing now.
[19:02] <robert_ancell> thomi, there wasn't any major testing questions for you :)
[19:03] <thomi> robert_ancell: nuts, sorry, I completely forgot. TBH, somehow it never made it on my calendar
[19:03] <thomi> sorry about that
[21:56] <kdub> wait... is desktop using boost 1.53?
[21:57] <racarr> Seems so
[21:58] <kdub> doh. android is still using 1.49
[22:00] <kdub> well, rather... if you cross compile using the scripts, its 1.49 (pbuilder probably does the right thing)
[22:07] <racarr> somehow I am not getting a vtable for my interface
[22:08] <racarr> SessionAuthorizer, when I remove the std::string argument
[22:08] <racarr> the method gets inlined and there is no vtable for the whole class as far as I can tell
[22:08] <racarr> what does it mean :
[22:08] <racarr> (
[22:08] <racarr> oh it means I deleted the = 0
[22:38] <robert_ancell> RAOF, ping
[22:50] <robert_ancell> RAOF, It seems the vladmir-ubuntu branch is the correct xserver branch, not vladmir - Is there a way to set up github to use vladmir-ubuntu by default? Or delete the old branch / update it?
[22:51] <racarr> for each acceptance test client that is connecting
[22:51] <racarr> SocketSession::on_new_connection is being called twice
[22:51] <racarr> and it's being added to the
[22:51] <racarr> connected sessions list twice
[22:51] <racarr> except the first time the socket credentials are nonsense
[22:52] <racarr> and the second time they are the correct client PID
[22:52] <racarr> oO
[23:54] <RAOF> robert_ancell: github now shows vladmir-ubuntu by default. I forgot that I'd started to just make changes directly to the ubuntu branch.