[12:44] <PriceChild> Hey there are several people in #ubuntu saying that ubuntu  mentors aren't at something they need to be for ubuntu to do Google SoC...
[12:45] <mc44> PriceChild: someone is sorting it on -devel, never fear
[12:45] <PriceChild> ah ok cool :)
[12:45] <PriceChild> I just joined to try ther e:)
[12:46] <mc44> not that it will do much good considering they seem to have given about 3 minutes notice, and the right people are unsurprisngly not around
[12:46] <PriceChild> :)
[12:52] <Flannel> I know this is completely inappropriate for this channel, but apparently the Google Summer of Code guys are missing some mandatory meeting right now.  *I* have no idea who any of them might be.  Some of you might.
[12:54] <mc44> Flannel: it was brought up in -devel, dont worry
[12:54] <mc44> not that they are actually around, but anyhoo
[12:54] <Flannel> heh
[12:54] <Flannel> Alright, sounds good.  Just wanted to make sure someone knew about it
[12:59] <ubotu> bruenig called the ops in #ubuntu
[01:13] <ubotu> bruenig called the ops in #ubuntu
[02:24] <ubotu> cables called the ops in #ubuntu
[02:24] <ubotu> Lunar_Lamp called the ops in #ubuntu
[02:25] <gnomefreak> jrib: congrats on op
[02:25] <gnomefreak> .win 3
[02:25] <ubotu> In ubotu, dejenji said: where is the Alternate CD?
[02:25] <jrib> gnomefreak: thanks
[02:26] <gnomefreak> yw
[03:53] <ubotu> In ubotu, ardchoille said: partimage is Partition Image is a Linux/UNIX utility which saves partitions in many formats to an image file. The image file can be compressed in the GZIP/BZIP2 formats to save disk. More information at http://www.partimage.org/Main_Page
[03:55] <ubotu> In ubotu, ardchoille said: xdvdshrink is XDVDShrink is a project in BASH and Perl-Gtk2 that allows you to create fair-use archival copies of DVD content on single-layer writable DVDs. More information at http://dvdshrink.sourceforge.net
[04:58] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ohio, Vorian said: !scoobysnack is Yuck!
[05:41] <Elder_Dvorak> nalioth: how'd you set your timestamp to the unix epoch?
[05:43] <atoponce> i assume you're using irssi
[05:45] <atoponce> just curious
[05:54] <atoponce> question: what is necessary to have chanserv forward users to another channel?
[05:54] <atoponce> just +f <channel>?
[05:55] <atoponce> seems to me, there is something else to add, in case services are reset
[05:55] <tonyyarusso> atoponce: Forward on what condition?
[05:55] <atoponce> anyone who joins
[05:55] <LordVorian> +if <channel>
[05:55] <tonyyarusso> +if <channel> then
[05:55] <LordVorian> :)
[05:56] <tonyyarusso> The i will block them - f only takes effect when someone's already blocked for some other reaosn
[05:56] <tonyyarusso> *reason
[05:56] <atoponce> +i for invite?
[05:56] <atoponce> oh. i see
[05:56] <tonyyarusso> "invitation only", yeah
[05:56] <atoponce> cool
[05:56] <atoponce> thx
[06:50] <ubotu> mjbrooks called the ops in #ubuntu
[06:50] <tonyyarusso> We need an "<ubotu> tonyyarusso took care of it - go back to sleep"
[07:29] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, that would still require interaction from one of us. the bot isnt *that* smart. there's little diff between /msg ubotu done or saying done in here
[07:30] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: It's supposed to be omnicient, duh.
[08:02] <ubotu> In #kubuntu, anees said: ubotu: is there any terminal command to check whcih package is installed and how to remove it from terminal
[08:38] <Madpilot> is that msg from Ziandia legit or not?
[08:38] <mneptok> opers?
[08:39] <Madpilot> ...
[08:39] <mneptok> Madpilot: "Ziandia" sending fake !wallops
[08:40] <Madpilot> not cool.  How was your vacation?'
[12:44] <jenda> Fine, thanks :) You?
[12:44] <gnomefreak> lol
[12:45] <gnomefreak> jenda: ive seen you almost everyday (did you go on vacation?)
[12:45] <elkbuntu> jenda, hehe
[12:45] <jenda> gnomefreak: I haven't even touched IRC the past 6 days.
[12:45] <gnomefreak> oh oops
[12:45] <jenda> gnomefreak: it's sweet that you've been imagining me, though :)
[12:45] <jenda> s
[12:45] <gnomefreak> :)
[12:46] <gnomefreak> sorry my mind has been on vacation for a few years now and it doesnt want to come back
[12:47] <jenda> :)
[12:47] <gnomefreak> ok off for a bit
[12:49] <jenda> gnomefreak: smoking kills ;)
[12:50] <mc44> jenda: no seeing mneptok naked kills
[01:04] <jenda> muhehe
[01:14] <mneptok> jenda: i wouldn't object. i just haven't bothered to ask for a cloak. :)
[01:14] <jenda> hehe
[01:14] <jenda> that's what they all say
[01:14] <jenda> mneptok: there were no cloaks till a while ago, and I'll get you all sorted once kiko comes back.
[01:14] <jenda> So far, we did all the launchpad folks.
[01:15] <mneptok> and i'm waiting a good long time before applying for Ubuntu membership. both to set an example and avoid calls of favoritism.
[01:15] <jenda> righty-o
[01:16] <jenda> :)
[01:16] <jenda> as long as you're not naked, you have my support ;)
[01:16] <mneptok> oh. uhhh ...
[01:16] <mneptok> 06:14 <+jenda> mneptok: you might soon be getting a canonical/something cloak...
[01:17] <mneptok> let's go with Canonical. your idea of "something" makes me uneasy.
[01:17] <jenda> mneptok/something/canonical? :)
[01:17] <jenda> it's up to kiko to decide that.
[01:17] <mneptok> i was imagining /asshat/maximus
[01:18] <jenda> I think it'll be canonical/support/mneptok
[01:18] <jenda> if that's what you do.
[01:18] <jenda> (because we have canonical/launchpad/everyone-there)
[01:18] <mneptok> it's what i do, who i do it for, and what i call myself
[01:19] <mneptok> THREE TASTES IN ONE!
[01:19] <jenda> O.o
[01:19] <mneptok> i'm a sexy lollipop
[01:19] <mneptok> or ... something.
[01:20] <mneptok> but yeah, in the Canonical org chart i would be "support" if kiko is "launchpad"
[01:23] <jenda> cool
[01:23] <jenda> I'll still have to wait for kiko to tell me that ;)
[01:28] <mneptok> right.
[02:10] <gnomefreak> )
[02:11] <mc44> na they have to go through the membership process the same as everyone else
[02:12] <gnomefreak> ah
[02:12] <tsmithe> that's silly
[02:13] <mc44> why?
[02:16] <gnomefreak> i dont remember him having to apply
[04:58] <gdb> Hello, I'd like to have my nick unbanned again in #ubuntu.  Where's the channel I go to for one of you to do you test thing?
[04:59] <gdb> My router does not have the DCC issue that I'm banned for, I simply forgot to put -p 8001 at the end of my irssi command the last time I connected.
[05:00] <Pici> Just wait for an op to notice your message, they seem to all be AFK at the moment.
[05:01] <gdb> Thanks.
[05:21] <PriceChild> gdb, Hey there
[05:21] <PriceChild> gdb, Sorry for your wait. Still need a test?
[05:45] <Pici> I'm suprised that you two didn't ban Auschwitz in #ubuntu, any particular reason?
[05:47] <micahcowan> PriceChild, the ban on daverocks wasn't for his signoff, was it?
[05:47] <PriceChild> It was yes.
[05:48] <PriceChild> Am I being silly? :)
[05:48] <micahcowan> I'm pretty sure that was shell code for "all your base belong to us", not an actual dangerous command per se
[05:49] <PriceChild> ah.
[05:49] <micahcowan> :)
[05:58] <gdb> PriceChild: Yes, sorry, I was doing something else.
[05:58] <jenda> mneptok: check your host :)
[05:58] <PriceChild> please join #pricechild :)
[06:00] <mc44> jenda: damn, no more naked mneptok
[06:00] <PriceChild> gdb, please join #pricechild :)
[06:01] <tsmithe> mc44, damn?!!!
[06:06] <jenda> :)
[06:14] <PriceChild> gdb, You can rejoin #ubuntu :)
[06:16] <gdb> Thank you very much!
[06:16] <gdb> And ah before I do that, I am going disconnect for a bit as I need to reboot this machine. ;-)  Thank you again!
[07:00] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, xtknight said: !custom is <alias> customlivecd
[07:29] <ubotu> In ubotu, tonyyarusso said: nvu =~ /is not the/is not in the/
[07:29] <tonyyarusso> %login
[08:22] <mago_oscuro> buenas
[08:23] <mago_oscuro> soy nuevo en esto
[08:24] <mago_oscuro> alguien con kien ablar
[08:52] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ohio, Vorian said: !werd is You Go Girl!
[08:56] <tsmithe> Vorian, "werd"?
[08:57] <Vorian> tsmithe, its a ebonics thing
[08:57] <Vorian> an*
[08:57] <tsmithe> ahhh
[08:57] <tsmithe> i have no idea what that is, so i'll rtfs
[08:57] <tsmithe> *rtfm
[08:57] <Vorian> you go tsmithe =]
[08:57] <Vorian> ebony+phonics
[08:57] <Vorian> ebony= African American
[08:58] <Vorian> hence "ebonics"
[08:59] <tsmithe> uhuh
[08:59] <tsmithe> so "werd"?
[08:59] <Vorian> werd tsmithe
[08:59] <Pici> its street slang
[08:59] <Vorian> pronounced "word"
[08:59] <Vorian> with a ghetto tang
[09:00] <Pici> And when you say 'you go girl' you need to shake your head side to side
[09:00] <tsmithe> oh "word"...
[09:00] <tsmithe> i always thought it was spelt like word
[09:01] <Pici> Its not normally spelt at all
[09:04] <tsmithe> true
[09:04] <tsmithe> but obviously Vorian decided it should
[09:05] <Vorian> :)
[09:12] <aljmrojasvela> hola  a todos
[09:13] <Pici> k
[09:27] <LordVorian> 1
[09:28] <Madpilot> 2
[09:29] <Pici> 3
[09:30] <tsmithe> 4
[09:34] <ompaul> 6
[09:35] <ompaul> gap analysis
[09:35] <ompaul> #ubuntu has crossed the line - I don't know what the line is called but it has crossed it
[09:36] <tsmithe> line eh...
[09:42] <Madpilot> ompaul, the line from 'busy' to 'unusably chaotic'?
[09:43] <ompaul> Madpilot, ahh thats the one
[09:47] <Madpilot> actually, #u isn't that busy right now. Just lots of joins/parts cluttering the place up...
[09:48] <ompaul> it was
[09:49] <ompaul> where is the dutch man?
[09:49] <ompaul> I got a job for the bot
[09:51] <tsmithe> ompaul, there
[09:52] <ompaul> Seveas, yo I want your brain cells for a moment
[09:52] <ompaul> have you got such a thing to share with me?
[09:52] <Seveas> ompaul, they're all on vacation
[09:52] <Seveas> just got back from a 5 hour traintrip from paris
[09:52] <ompaul> fun
[09:53] <ompaul> chuck chug
[09:54] <ompaul> Seveas, so there I was thinking that the bot should remove people for nick changes in #ubuntu
[09:54] <ompaul> think about it
[09:54] <Seveas> ompaul, Closed, Rejected
[09:55] <ompaul> okay
[09:56] <mc44> the bot should remove ompaul when he makes "helpful" suggestions :p
[09:57] <tsmithe> pah. even the bot gets more privileges than me
[11:14] <ubotu> In ubotu, dyrne said: sip is SIP clients (Ekiga, KCall, KPhone, Minisip etc.) have several advantages to closed networks such as !skype. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetAndNetworking


[10:17] <nysosym> hi all :))))
[10:18] <BHSPitLappy> hi one!
[10:23] <nysosym> hi BHSPitLappy, how are u? :)
[10:24] <BHSPitLappy> good, you
[12:11] <fschoep> Hello everyone
[12:16] <HiddenWolf> G'day
[12:16] <lapo> hi
[12:16] <fschoep> Hey HiddenWolf, hi lapo
[01:12] <Seveas> fschoep, mjg59 fixed the bug
[01:12] <Seveas> theme is coming up
[01:13] <fschoep> Seveas: OK, nice
[01:13] <fschoep> Seveas: fixing the bug didn't cause new problems for Kamion?
[01:16] <Seveas> fschoep, hmm, text display is still broken it seems
[01:17] <fschoep> Seveas: is that very bad, I mean - is usplash working properly on any machine?
[01:18] <Seveas> on all x86 machines with no framebuffer (the default) it is broken
[01:18] <Seveas> so, the large majority
[01:18] <fschoep> Oh dear
[01:18] <fschoep> Did we have it working once previously?
[01:18] <fschoep> Except for PPC
[01:19] <HiddenWolf> Yes, for dapper. ;)
[01:19] <fschoep> Right ;)
[01:19] <Seveas> for edgy it was working as well, but not on all hardware
[01:19] <Seveas> this was a fix to get it working on more hardware
[01:19] <fschoep> I see
[01:19] <Seveas> anyway, the progressbar now looks ok
[01:20] <fschoep> That's great
[01:20] <fschoep> and the logo is animated?
[01:20] <Seveas> yes
[01:21] <fschoep> awesome
[01:21] <nysosym> hi all :)
[01:21] <fschoep> hi nysosym
[01:21] <nysosym> hi frank :)
[01:22] <nysosym> how are u? :)
[01:22] <fschoep> fine thanks, you?
[01:22] <nysosym> fine, like ever :D
[01:22] <fschoep> Good to hear
[01:22] <nysosym> any news? :D
[01:22] <fschoep> Not really, for it's been a bit quiet over the weekend
[01:23] <nysosym> fschoep: yes, i know.. :-/
[01:23] <nysosym> any new wallpaper concepts? :D
[01:23] <fschoep> nysosym: working on them
[01:23] <fschoep> call with Mark this evening
[01:24] <nysosym> can i have a little preview? ;)
[01:24] <nysosym> please :D
[01:25] <fschoep> Not really, it doesn't seem to be uploaded anywhere and we're still trying things
[01:25] <fschoep> sorry :)
[01:25] <nysosym> no problem, some company secrets :D
[01:27] <nysosym> frank, what does the gdm at moment? :)
[01:28] <fschoep> can you rephrase that, I'm not sure what your question is, sorry :)
[01:28] <nysosym> which state does the gdm have :D
[01:28] <fschoep> Right - changing as well
[01:28] <nysosym> sry, i'm german with a stupid english ^^
[01:28] <fschoep> We're trying different variations for it
[01:28] <fschoep> There are some ideas on the Wiki
[01:28] <fschoep> :
[01:29] <fschoep> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkPlan/Polish/Incoming?highlight=%28polish%29
[01:29] <fschoep> Scroll down a bit on that page for ideas
[01:32] <nysosym> aa very nice, thx
[01:32] <nysosym> this is my favorite https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkPlan/Polish/Incoming?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=JAustin_gdm.png :D
[01:32] <fschoep> I see, it's one of the later uploads
[01:32] <fschoep> We'll discuss it tonight
[01:34] <nysosym> fschoep: which is your favorite?
[01:34] <fschoep> nysosym: still working on creating that one
[01:34] <nysosym> ok :D
[01:34] <fschoep> nysosym: all of the designs on that page can be improved still, so that's what I'm doing
[01:35] <fschoep> It's hard to say "this one's my favourite" if you know there's something wrong with it :)
[01:35] <nysosym> hehe :)
[01:35] <nysosym> what would u prefer? :D
[01:35] <fschoep> I think I'd go for a heavily modified version of troy_s GDM 3
[01:36] <fschoep> But ...
[01:36] <fschoep> I can give a lot of reasons to use elements from other designs as well :0
[01:37] <nysosym> i understand, surprise me (and any others) ^^
[01:37] <fschoep> I'll do that :0
[01:37] <fschoep> :)
[01:37] <nysosym> can`t wait :DDD
[01:38] <fschoep> I'm going to do some development and design work now - need to log off IRC, do you mind?
[01:38] <nysosym> sure, have fun :)
[01:38] <fschoep> OK, cu later :)
[01:38] <nysosym> cu my friend
[01:57] <Seveas> fschoep: seveas.demon.nl/~dennis/usplash
[01:57] <Seveas> meh, he's gone
[04:58] <bersace> hi all
[04:58] <bersace> i agree with Alex Fraser
[04:59] <bersace> i think that le logout sound should have some percussions
[04:59] <bersace> low and bass percussions
[04:59] <bersace> just a though anyway
[05:02] <lapo> yo bersace
[05:02] <lapo> and be shorter, It gets cutted on my machines
[05:08] <bersace> lapo: even the new one ???
[05:08] <lapo> new one?
[05:08] <lapo> probably I'm speaking the former one then
[05:09] <lapo> about
[05:10] <bersace> lapo: you should upgrade
[05:11] <troy_s> hey guys
[05:11] <lapo> I don't upgrade since uhm-..two days ago, I wasn't home yesterday :-)
[05:11] <troy_s> good to see you all.
[05:11] <lapo> ciao troy_s
[05:11] <troy_s> how have you been lapo?
[05:12] <lapo> fine thanks, kinda busy with g-i-t and stuff (apart for RealLife(TM))
[05:12] <troy_s> reallife is a busy one ;)
[05:13] <troy_s> bersace -- how are you my brother?
[05:16] <bersace> troy_s: fine
[05:16] <bersace> i got a macbook
[05:16] <bersace> thanks Google :D
[05:16] <bersace> I drop Os X and install Ubuntu
[05:16] <bersace> without BootCamp !
[05:16] <bersace> Beryl run fine
[05:17] <bersace> that's just amazing
[05:17] <bersace> i don't have PC anymore on my desktop :D
[05:17] <lapo> beryl is the compiz fork, right?
[05:27] <troy_s> wow bersace
[05:27] <troy_s> congrats.
[05:48] <bersace> lapo: right
[06:18] <effraie> bersace: what about ppc..
[06:18] <effraie> ;)
[06:19] <bersace> effraie: still waiting for iMac G5 support from Linux :|
[06:19] <effraie> that's right ;)
[06:29] <bersace> effraie: and i'm about to give he iMac G3
[07:18] <fschoep> troy_s: ping
[07:27] <cbx33> hey fschoep
[07:27] <fschoep> hi cbx33
[07:27] <cbx33> I saw the email about the sounds
[07:27] <cbx33> heh
[07:27] <bersace> fschoep: i think that the sound is still too short
[07:28] <cbx33> heh
[07:28] <Seveas> fschoep: http://seveas.demon.nl/~dennis/usplash
[07:28] <fschoep> on the phone brb
[07:28] <cbx33> bersace, yeh, but we can't stall shutdown
[07:28] <cbx33> and some machiens shutdown way too quickly
[07:28] <cbx33> all we can gaurantee is 500ms
[07:29] <bersace> O_o
[07:29] <bersace> so why not drop the shutdown sound ?
[07:29] <cbx33> well that was also discussed
[07:29] <bersace> my macbook play 4 sounds
[07:30] <bersace> boot shime, login ready (the only useful), gnome startup and gnome shutdown
[07:30] <bersace> that's quite a lot !
[07:30] <cbx33> yeh
[07:32] <bersace> i don't know how to shut up EFI :)
[07:33] <cbx33> bersace, so you'd opt for dropping it completely
[07:52] <bersace> cbx33: yep
[07:52] <cbx33> hey fschoep
[07:53] <fschoep> cbx33: hi
[07:53] <fschoep> I'm here
[08:50] <troy_s> greetings all.
[08:51] <cbx33> hey troy_s
[08:51] <troy_s> how goes it cbx33 ?
[08:51] <cbx33> yeh
[08:51] <cbx33> good thans
[08:51] <cbx33> k
[08:51] <cbx33> >k<
[08:53] <troy_s> when is your online session?
[08:53] <troy_s> frank was just here... i missed him by a few seconds.
[08:53] <troy_s> bersace what are you up to my friend?
[08:53] <bersace> wait
[08:54] <cbx33> um.....troy_s not sure yet
[08:55] <troy_s> wait?
[08:55] <troy_s> laf.
[08:55] <troy_s> erm
[08:55] <troy_s> lol
[08:55] <cbx33> heheh
[08:55] <cbx33> laf  = lol
[08:55] <troy_s> <laf means something different in dutch>
[08:55] <troy_s> <so i need to avoid using it considering our high dutch component here.>


[03:33] <Takyoji> Ooo nice
[03:33] <Takyoji> Didn't know there was a "Mobile Broadband" section in the Network Connections panel
[03:33] <Takyoji> with a convenient wizard
[03:34] <_diablo> indeed
[03:35] <Takyoji> Now only if there was something convenient for tethering as well
[04:08] <Takyoji> Interesting; Fennec is available in the standard repositories
[04:08] <_diablo> for ubuntu?
[04:08] <Takyoji> yes
[04:09] <Takyoji> in the Ubuntu Software Centre
[04:10] <Takyoji> Is there a graphical method in Ubuntu to start and use an SSH connection for SOCKS tunnelling in GNOME?
[04:11] <_diablo> uhhh, I don't know much about it, sorry
[04:11] <Takyoji> While acting under the GNOME connection settings, so that all other applications would utilize it as well
[04:12] <Takyoji> otherwise when I was referring to the idea of there being a vendor that sells Linux-supported hardware; I meant more like something similar to Newegg; not something for buying premade desktops/laptops
[04:13] <_diablo> ah, I see.
[04:13] <_diablo> you could just cross-reference newegg and linuxhardware
[04:13] <_diablo> or google it :)
[04:26] <Takyoji> and that can be considerably a bit of work
[04:27] <Takyoji> thus if there was a vendor that could be a fusion of the two; then that would be wonderful
[04:27] <Takyoji> Perhaps I should run off right now and try to start such a firm. :P
[04:27] <Takyoji> at age 18
[04:27] <_diablo> do it!
[04:27] <_diablo> it wouldn't cost much for the domain name either...
[04:28] <Takyoji> I believe it was also Mr. Gates that started MS at age 18. :P
[04:28] <_diablo> so you're basically already a billionaire :)
[04:47] <Takyoji> otherwise I meant it more in a retailer aspect
[04:48] <Takyoji> only thing is that I don't have sufficient funds for start-up costs, otherwise I'm not sure if common manufacturers do direct-to-customer shipping
[04:49] <Takyoji> In the pond construction industry, retailers/distributors are completely needed, there's no manufacturers that also work as a distributor of their own products (except one perhaps)
[05:00] <Takyoji> Anyone know of a decent media server solution?
[05:00] <Takyoji> (that could run in background on a standard Ubuntu desktop installation)
[05:02] <tonyyarusso> you mean like mt-daapd?
[05:03] <Takyoji> So would that provide music files on-demand, or would it work on like a streaming playlist concept?
[05:04] <tonyyarusso> on-demand I think
[05:05] <Takyoji> I believe that would be what I'm looking for
[05:05] <Takyoji> additionally I wonder if there's anything for video as well
[05:06] <tonyyarusso> that I don't know
[05:06] <Takyoji> without the need of encoding
[05:06] <Takyoji> for use on an intranet
[05:06] <Takyoji> otherwise I could just do SAMBA or HTTP for something like that
[05:07] <tonyyarusso> You could just do a fi-le share if nothing else.
[05:07] <tonyyarusso> yeah
[05:07] <Takyoji> That's pretty much how I remotely access my content over my LAN; but over SSH


[03:56] <sinman> was wondering if i might can get some help in this channel since I'm not getting any in the #ubuntu channel
[03:56] <holstein> sinman: whatsup?
[03:57] <sinman> I have completely redone my computer several times now and the trash is still showing the same things in it in both ubuntu and ubuntu studio
[03:57] <holstein> 'trash' ??
[03:57] <sinman> and both of these isn't sharing nothing except the swap
[03:57] <holstein> you mean the trash can?
[03:57] <sinman> yes
[03:57] <holstein> AH
[03:57] <holstein> exactly mirrored?
[03:58] <holstein> the trash cans?
[03:58] <sinman> it look like it
[03:58] <holstein> whats the issue?
[03:58] <sinman> yes they both have the same thing
[03:58] <holstein> can you restore from either one?
[03:58] <holstein> that would be kinda cool
[03:59] <holstein> whats you partitioning like?
[03:59] <holstein> did you add a shared volume to /etc/fstab or something?
[03:59] <holstein> maybe some partition is being read by both installations
[03:59] <sinman> about a week ago i was doing some clean up of things i downloaded, and I moved them to the trash. I forgotten about but had to redo everything including the install and ever since I keep getting the same files in the trash can
[03:59] <sinman> no
[04:00] <holstein> sinman: have you cleared the trash
[04:00] <sinman> this is fresh install of both as of today
[04:00] <holstein> yeah?
[04:00] <sinman> i tried but it won't clear them
[04:00] <holstein> sinman: why dual boot?
[04:00] <sinman> i want to use ubuntu for gaming, and learn programmin, and use ubuntu studio for multimedia stuff only
[04:01] <holstein> there the same
[04:01] <holstein> really
[04:01] <holstein> when i used XP
[04:01] <holstein> i had 2 installs
[04:01] <holstein> one that i used daily
[04:01] <holstein> and one for studio work
[04:02] <holstein> a really minimal install
[04:02] <holstein> linux doesnt really need that
[04:02] <holstein> but, do what you want
[04:02] <holstein> sinman: i think you should research forcing the trash to clear
[04:02] <holstein> and then run some tests
[04:02] <sinman> i have a 1TB HDD so I figure doing a dual boot would use the space be a better choice
[04:03] <sinman> but why are they still there when i delete the partition and change the size of / and /home partition
[04:03] <sinman> and this time I'm using LVM
[04:04] <holstein> not sure
[04:04] <holstein> thats interesting
[04:04] <sinman> exactly
[04:04] <holstein> i would still research forcing the trash to empty
[04:04] <holstein> and run some test
[04:05] <holstein> throw some things away
[04:05] <holstein> and monitor the behavior
[04:05] <sinman> the /home is nowhere the size that they use to be before i started to use LVM (which is today)
[04:05] <sinman> i will
[04:06] <sinman> another question the synaptic when u download from it where does it save the files at. I know someplace in the /var folder
[04:07] <holstein> hmmm
[04:07] <holstein> i dont think you can dig a .deb out of there though
[04:07]  * holstein looking
[04:08] <sinman> i found them they are in /var/cache/apt/archive
[04:09] <holstein> var/cache/apt/archives
[04:09] <holstein> AH yeah
[04:09] <holstein> :)
[04:09] <sinman> i see a file that came from the update manager, anyway would it be safe to remove those packages if i ever need to free up space for /
[04:10] <holstein> sinman: i wouldnt mess around in there
[04:10] <sinman> k
[04:10] <holstein> and you got a TB ;)
[04:10] <sinman> couldn't hurt to ask
[04:10] <holstein> you could do sudo apt-get clean ??
[04:10] <holstein> theres a system janitor too
[04:11] <sinman> yep 498GB for ubuntu and 498GB for ubuntustudio
[04:11] <holstein> sinman: check out ubuntutweak too
[04:11] <sinman> k i will
[04:11] <holstein> theres some interesting package management options in there
[04:11] <holstein> if it were my box
[04:11] <holstein> i would do a 200GB ubuntu install
[04:11] <holstein> and partition the rest and call it storage or whatever
[04:14] <holstein> just my opinion
[04:14] <sinman> right now how i got the partition setup is /boot (200MB) the first LVM ubuntu with 2 groups / (65GB) and /home (150) sda3 swap (4GB) then second lvm my ubuntu studio setup like the first LVM
[04:15] <holstein> is it a desktop?
[04:15] <sinman> yes, it's my desktop computer
[04:15] <holstein> i probably wouldnt do LVM then either
[04:15] <sinman> i have the /home encrypted
[04:16] <sinman> today was the first day messing with LVM I just wanted to check it out and learn how to do it
[04:16] <holstein> i dont do anything on my audio box that would decrease performance
[04:16] <holstein> maybe that doesnt
[04:16] <holstein> sinman: i hear you
[04:16] <holstein> learning experience :)
[04:17] <sinman> yes it is
[04:18] <sinman> I use to mess with linux in the past for a very short time and went back to windows. but this time I been using linux for about couple of weeks and don't have the urge to put windows 7 back in
[04:19] <holstein> looks like its this easy
[04:19] <holstein> sudo rm -fr /home/USERNAME/.Trash
[04:20] <holstein> http://everyjoe.com/technology/force-empty-your-trash-from-the-command-line/
[04:20] <sinman> i done that and nothing
[04:20] <holstein> yeah, when you get something stable rockin, you'll be converted
[04:21] <sinman> the thing this time i'm using a completely different username than what i used in the past, so would that matter
[04:21] <holstein> sinman: the files are still in the trash?
[04:21] <sinman> yes
[04:22] <holstein> is this lucid?
[04:22] <holstein> not maverick?
[04:22] <sinman> yes
[04:22] <holstein> hmmmm
[04:23] <holstein> we..
[04:23] <holstein> well*
[04:23] <sinman> i only have ubuntu alternative amd64 10.04.01 lts and ubuntu studio alternatyive amd64 10.04
[04:23] <holstein> you can boot from a live CD
[04:23] <holstein> and nuke 'em
[04:23] <sinman> how would i do that from the live cd
[04:24] <holstein> but im skeptical that this is not a symptom of a larger promlem
[04:24] <holstein> sinman: same way
[04:24] <sinman> k
[04:24] <holstein> just sudo rm the files
[04:24] <holstein> just be careful in there ;)
[04:24] <sinman> always
[04:24] <holstein> if it were me
[04:25] <holstein> id boot the other install
[04:25] <holstein> and try it there
[04:25] <holstein> probably google for a couple more hours
[04:25] <sinman> but i'm afraid even cd to the location i won't see anything like i do now, just in the trash can
[04:25] <holstein> then try the live CD
[04:25] <holstein> sinman: maybe
[04:25] <holstein> thats interesting
[04:25] <sinman> I been thinking of doing a full format of my HDD
[04:26] <holstein> you got fresh installs though
[04:26] <holstein> that might not be a bad idea
[04:26] <holstein> really wipe it
[04:26] <holstein> test it really good while your at it
[04:26] <sinman> need to goto seagate and see if i can download something from there site and put on a cd
[04:27] <sinman> if i can do a slow format with 0's then I know it will fix this problem. lol
[04:27] <holstein> sinman: check out
[04:27] <holstein> http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[04:28] <holstein> all kinds of vendor tools on there
[04:28] <sinman> kewl on the page now
[04:28] <holstein> and parted magic
[04:28] <holstein> photorec
[04:28] <holstein> not that you need that
[04:28] <holstein> but some handy tools
[19:58] <Anvoid> is there a recommend list of setup equipment to use with ubuntustudio audio production? new to field and trying to search for suggest setup that's compatible with ubuntu
[20:18] <jussi> !hcl | Anvoid
[20:18] <jussi> not sure how well maintained that is
[20:19] <jussi> Anvoid: however, most stuff from m-audio is pretty good.
[22:15] <dku> Hi all! I'm looking for a simple program where i could load up drops and quickly access them (prequeued, of course, ready to play) during a live performance. No mixing of fading or anything needed, just a simple drop player, any suggestions?
[22:15] <dku> *mixing or fading
[22:15] <holstein> dku: hey
[22:15] <holstein> can you just que them up in a player?
[22:16] <dku> holstein, do you know of any ones that would play instantly? (i tried out banshee and rhythmbox, but they take a split second to load the file)
[22:17] <holstein> maybe VLC ??
[22:17] <holstein> not sure about the playlist support
[22:17] <holstein> something light though should do it
[22:17] <holstein> lemme look
[22:17] <dku> well, it's not really a playlist, they would be played on demand
[22:17] <dku> i just need quick access to them, and for them to play instantly
[22:18] <holstein> dku: a also looke at http://sourceforge.net/projects/jbuzzer/
[22:18] <holstein> you can map to qwerty keys
[22:18] <dku> ooh that's pretty cool
[22:18] <holstein> and it seemed to play right off
[22:18] <holstein> it was probably jaunty or karmic when i last tried it
[22:19] <dku> i'm gonna try that out right now, thanks!
[22:19] <holstein> but it should still work
[22:19] <holstein> didnt really need much
[22:19] <holstein> dku: :)
[22:34] <prep> How do I uninstall Ubuntu Studio? I upgraded to Maervick, would just like it only, installed on this particular machine.
[22:35] <holstein> hey prep
[22:35] <holstein> just go to synaptic
[22:35] <holstein> and search ubuntustudio
[22:35] <prep> what up Holstein.
[22:35] <holstein> uninstall whatever is installed
[22:35] <holstein> and make sure you have ubuntu-dekstop installed
[22:35] <holstein> should be that easy
[22:37] <holstein> prep: if you upgraded the packages
[22:37] <holstein> you should be able to just change the theme back to the normal ubuntu one
[22:37] <prep> cool. Done kicking tires on this machine. Ordering the new atom dual core in a few weeks
[22:38] <holstein> prep: nice
[22:38] <prep> I'll wait for the 10/10 release of maverick
[22:38] <holstein> you mean the final?
[22:39] <holstein> 10.10?
[22:39] <prep> yep
[22:39] <prep> release date
[22:39] <holstein> not sure much will change
[22:39] <holstein> i think we're past beta freeze
[22:39] <prep> weird thing is, my ubuntu one music store will not play the samples.
[22:39] <holstein> do you have codecs installed?
[22:40] <holstein> are they mp3's?
[22:40] <prep> yes, everything else is fine, bu the stoe
[22:40] <prep> store
[22:40] <holstein> who knows
[22:40] <holstein> i think that is still a work in progress
[22:40] <prep> kind of a bummer, was working, as was Jack
[22:41] <holstein> when?
[22:41] <holstein> in lucid?
[22:41] <prep> yep
[22:41] <holstein> yeah, i ran lucid early alpha
[22:42] <prep> Bad thing about the HP, is no firewire or express slot
[22:42] <holstein> it can be a lot of work
[22:42] <holstein> reporting all the errors
[22:42] <holstein> and trying all the fixes
[22:42] <holstein> prep: :/
[22:42] <holstein> yeah, that sucks
[22:43] <prep> maybe I can wait see if someone releases a netbook that will. I asked System 76, no plans for new machines
[22:43] <holstein> nah
[22:44] <holstein> they wont
[22:44] <holstein> i have an early mininote
[22:44] <holstein> HP
[22:44] <holstein> with an express card slot
[22:44] <holstein> but thats over now
[22:44] <prep> wish someone would start a company geared towards multimedia work
[22:46] <holstein> indamix
[22:47] <holstein> http://www.indamixx.com/
[22:47] <prep> yeah, it's kinda cool. what version of tux are they running
[22:47] <holstein> transmission is pretty much 64studio
[22:47] <prep> oh, well I favore Ubuntu
[22:47] <holstein> probably is ubuntu
[22:47] <holstein> probably hardy
[22:48] <holstein> like the last stable 64studio
[22:48] <prep> but non of the cool new stuff
[22:48] <holstein> yeah, but stable
[22:48] <holstein> and you can pay for it :)
[22:48] <holstein> some folks feel more comfortable paying for things
[22:49] <holstein> really not a bad price
[22:49] <holstein> i think its 90 bucks
[22:49] <holstein> try buying OSX or win + protools for that ;)
[22:51] <prep> HA, I just left Apple. Worked there for 3 months. I have been a Mac user since 98, but after working there, too much corporate kool-aid being poured
[22:54] <prep> So there's not any USB interfaces that work well with linux?
[22:55] <holstein> sure
[22:55] <holstein> i dont like them
[22:55] <prep> like?
[22:55] <holstein> but the zoom H4 is quite nice
[22:55] <holstein> i would have a zoom H4
[22:55] <holstein> other than that, i dont like to do audio over USB
[22:57] <prep> That's pretty cool. I didn't know it was also an interface. Works out of the box?
[22:57] <holstein> prep: if its not out of the box
[22:57] <holstein> its easy
[22:57] <holstein> and i know it works well
[22:57] <holstein> pipeman has one
[22:57] <prep> well.......
[22:57] <holstein> over in #opensourcemusicians
[22:57] <prep> does it have balanced outputs?
[22:57] <holstein> and the preamps are pretty sweet
[22:58] <holstein> prep: its got xlr ins
[22:58] <holstein> with phantom powere
[22:58] <prep> Ok, so how do you run out to your mons?
[22:58] <holstein> never really asked about the way ou
[22:58] <holstein> t
[22:59] <holstein> as long as i can get from source to hard drive balanced
[22:59] <holstein> im OK
[22:59] <prep> hmmm
[23:00] <prep> it has 1/4 out, ;-/
[23:00] <prep> dang
[23:00] <holstein> balanced ins
[23:00] <prep> yes
[23:01] <holstein> you'll never need to transfer fromit
[23:01] <holstein> from it*
[23:01] <holstein> you can do USB tranfer
[23:01] <holstein> transfer*
[23:01] <prep> I have to monitor out
[23:01] <holstein> sure
[23:01] <holstein> just plug it in
[23:01] <holstein> prep: you use headhones?
[23:01] <holstein> those are unbalanced
[23:02] <prep> yes when tracking, but when I mix I used powered monitors, which I prefer balanced
[23:02] <holstein> well, sure
[23:02] <holstein> but the signal going to tape is balanced
[23:02] <holstein> so i wouldnt lose any sleep over it
[23:02] <prep> true
[23:03] <prep> http://www.pssl.com/!ztmEYNLMBJ0QrFRsnJis6A!/Zoom-H4N-Stereo-Portable-Field-Recorder-s
[23:04] <holstein> yup
[23:04] <holstein> i would look around though
[23:04] <holstein> i think we can get them under 200 US
[23:04] <prep> I'll look. That would be perfect with my new machine, Ardour Maverick
[23:05] <holstein> its quite nice
[23:05] <holstein> if you only need 2 channels at a time
[23:06] <holstein> and the preamps will push whatever
[23:06] <holstein> so you dont need any other gear if you get a fancy mic
[23:06] <prep> very true
[23:06] <prep> thanks for the info
[23:07] <holstein> AND
[23:07] <holstein> its stand alone too
[23:07] <holstein> so you can carry that and your fancy mic
[23:07] <holstein> and do whatever anywhere
[23:07] <prep> I'm liking that a lot
[23:07] <holstein> and bring the .wav's back to ardour
[23:07] <holstein> i would totally have one
[23:08] <holstein> if my firepod wasnt portable
[23:08] <holstein> if i just have a couple extra hundred bucks laying about
[23:08] <prep> well looks like I found the perfect solution
[23:08] <holstein> thats top of my list
[23:09] <prep> Now if Ardour would release 3 with MIDI. I'd be in heaven
[23:09] <holstein> soon i bet
[23:09] <holstein> i think there are beta's out for testing
[23:10] <prep> really?
[23:10] <prep> This will be a great fall
[23:10] <prep> Ok, I have to get ready, Tennessee State Fair, get my fat on
[23:10] <prep> thanks a heap
[23:10] <prep> be easy
[23:11] <holstein> prep: laterx
[23:22] <dku> holstein: interestingly enough, my final solution was to use mc and mpg321
[23:23] <holstein> dku: hey
[23:23] <holstein> whatever works :)
[23:23] <dku> yep, gotta love the ol' midnight commander ;)
[23:23] <dku> and mpg321 loads really fast


[14:51] <PaoloRotolo> Hi all!
[16:01] <jamespage> o/
[16:01] <arosales> hello
[16:01] <m_3> o/
[16:02] <smartboyhw> o/
[16:02] <hallyn_> \o
[16:02] <arosales> I think I am up next on the chair list
[16:02] <zul> hola
[16:02] <smoser> o/
[16:03]  * arosales gets set up ready
[16:03] <utlemming> 0/
[16:03] <utlemming> er, o/
[16:03] <arosales> 3 minutes past lets get started :-)
[16:03] <arosales> #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team
[16:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Aug 28 16:03:48 2012 UTC.  The chair is arosales. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:03] <zul> utlemming: thats an odd shape head
[16:03] <arosales> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:04] <arosales> smoser follow up on bug 1028453
[16:04] <smoser> hm.. /me did not do that.
[16:05] <arosales> do we need to carry that forward, no not really
[16:05] <arosales> smoser: ^
[16:05] <smoser> well we need to fix it. i'll get an answer.
[16:06] <arosales> #action smoser follow up on bug 1028453
[16:06] <meetingology> ACTION: smoser follow up on bug 1028453
[16:06] <arosales> #topic Quantal Development
[16:06] <arosales> #topic Release Bugs - http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html
[16:07] <arosales> bug 1028453
[16:07] <arosales> utlemming: looks like you touched this last week
[16:07] <utlemming> arosales: that was an accidental assignment on my part
[16:07] <Daviey> Hmm, i thought this was resolved
[16:07] <arosales> Any takers on getting this resolved before beta1?
[16:08] <arosales> Daviey: could you comment in the bug?
[16:08] <arosales> bug 1030914
[16:08] <Daviey> yeah, leave it with me
[16:08] <Daviey> zul: ^^
[16:08] <arosales> Daviey: thanks
[16:08] <zul> Daviey: thanks
[16:09] <Daviey> (zul bug 1030914)
[16:10] <arosales> in parallel bug 1034701
[16:11] <arosales> adam_g: ^ any idea on import settings on this one ^
[16:11] <m_3> adam's in transit to cloud open I think
[16:11] <arosales> m_3: ah yes, thanks.
[16:12] <arosales> zul: Daviey: the list is largly openstack :-)
[16:12] <Daviey> arosales: is that because the infra teams marks them up better? :)
[16:12] <arosales> less cobbler, couchdb, and the oversized disk install
[16:13] <arosales> Daviey: or just flakey code that produces bugs
[16:13] <arosales> :-)
[16:13] <jamespage> bug 1034701 should be fixed now - its just not been closed
[16:13] <arosales> but probably the former
[16:13] <arosales> ok, so moving on to the next bug then
[16:13] <arosales> bug 1028509
[16:13]  * arosales starts broken record
[16:14] <arosales> Daviey: zul ^
[16:14] <zul> havent gotten to that one
[16:14] <arosales> zul:  ok thanks
[16:14]  * arosales going to list the remaining openstack bugs for daviey and zul:
[16:14] <arosales> bug 995285
[16:15] <arosales> bug 1024281
[16:15] <arosales> bug 1025203
[16:15] <jamespage> dupe of bug 1030914
[16:16] <arosales> jamespage: roger that, can up update the bug?
[16:16] <jamespage> ack
[16:17] <arosales> I think adam_g is working on 1024281
[16:17] <arosales> zul any update on 995285
[16:17] <jamespage> he is
[16:17] <zul> *sigh* i just need to keep my head down
[16:18] <Daviey> :)
[16:18] <arosales> poor zul, sorry :-/
[16:18] <zul> none yet im expecting when the first glanceclient bug is fixed then the rest will follow
[16:18] <arosales> zul: ok thanks
[16:18] <arosales> one for roaksoax:  bug 858867
[16:18] <zul> only one? ;)
[16:18] <arosales> one that made it to the list
[16:18] <jamespage> that should not be in the list any more
[16:19] <jamespage> removed from tracking
[16:19] <arosales> jamespage: thanks
[16:19] <arosales> and any update on the couchdb bug 844995
[16:20] <jamespage> I think that just needs demoting now
[16:20] <arosales> who has the action there?
[16:20] <jamespage> yep - its in the component mismatches list
[16:21] <jamespage> it will get swept up by the archive admins - no further action required really - but I'll update the ticket to suggest demotion.
[16:21] <arosales> jamespage: ok, thanks
[16:22] <arosales> next up blueprints
[16:22]  * arosales guesses these should be more of links than topic changes
[16:22] <arosales> #link http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/ubuntu-server.html
[16:22] <arosales> #action arosales update IRCComands for Quantal dev
[16:22] <meetingology> ACTION: arosales update IRCComands for Quantal dev
[16:22] <Daviey> jamespage: i cna demote couch.
[16:23] <jamespage> Daviey, please do then and close the bug report
[16:23] <arosales> so we are keeping out of the red, but not in the green
[16:24] <jamespage> hrm - this one http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/ubuntu-server.html
[16:24] <arosales> jamespage: yes, sorry
[16:24] <Daviey> jamespage: yes sir!
[16:24] <arosales> another one to udpate in the IRCCommands
[16:24] <arosales> :-)
[16:24]  * jamespage is feeling bossy today for some reason!
[16:24] <arosales> to go over a few of the essential and highs that are in the red.
[16:24] <arosales> jamespage: no thank you !
[16:25] <arosales> openstack ha
[16:25] <arosales> @27% https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-q-openstack-qa
[16:25] <meetingology> arosales: Error: "27%" is not a valid command.
[16:25] <Daviey> Yeah, that is totally invalid.
[16:25] <arosales> milestone is beta1?
[16:26] <arosales> zul more of beta2?
[16:26] <arosales> beta1 is sept 6th
[16:26] <zul> beta2
[16:26] <arosales> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule
[16:26] <arosales> zul ok, thanks updated
[16:27] <arosales> arm deployment @ 50% https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-q-arm-deployment
[16:27] <arosales> rbasak: ^
[16:27] <arosales> rbasak: beta1 target
[16:28] <rbasak> The remaining pieces are maas related. I'm not sure they're going to make beta1
[16:28] <arosales> rbasak: any eta on arm support landing in MAAS?
[16:28] <rbasak> Not yet
[16:29] <arosales> ok, keep us up todate on that progress, and thanks for working in it.
[16:29] <arosales> Daviey: folsom @36% https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-q-openstack-folsom
[16:29] <arosales> target beta1
[16:30] <Daviey> yep!
[16:31] <arosales> so good for beta1?
[16:31] <Daviey> I suspect it needs refreshing
[16:31]  * arosales trusts daviey :-)
[16:31] <Daviey> arosales: we continually release state code, so we are rocking
[16:31] <arosales> roger that
[16:31] <arosales> Daviey:  same with https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-q-openstack-stable
[16:32] <arosales> no milestone on this one . . .
[16:32] <Daviey> ok, will check through them shortly
[16:32] <arosales> progress @ 24% on that one
[16:32] <arosales> Daviey: thanks
[16:32] <arosales> jamespage: I think we just need to update the bug process with the reports that are coming for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-q-server-iso-tests-review
[16:33] <arosales> jamespage: sorry that was for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-q-bug-triage-review
[16:33] <jamespage> arosales, I'll be working on that BP this/next week
[16:33] <arosales> test review is also in the queue for UTAH
[16:33] <arosales> jamespage: thanks
[16:34] <jamespage> arosales, yes - the gravity report is now looking pretty good - I need to catchup with Ursinha on the automated bug closure stuff
[16:34] <arosales> maas next steps @ 53% https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-q-maas-next-steps
[16:34] <Ursinha> :D
[16:34] <arosales> roaksoax:  ^
[16:34]  * roaksoax looks
[16:35] <roaksoax> most likely to postpone a few items
[16:35] <arosales> SpamapS: I think this one we need to sync up with the juju core team https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-q-juju-charms-release-policy
[16:35] <roaksoax> the most important things are don't
[16:35] <arosales> roaksoax: ok, please postpone where appropriate
[16:36] <arosales> roaksoax: how do you feel about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-q-openstack-ha
[16:36] <arosales> on target for beta1?
[16:36] <roaksoax> arosales: debian maintainer was on hollidays so I was hoping he would reply this week, Otherwise we'll have to do something ourselves
[16:36] <arosales> utlemming: /me guesses some of these will go to done this week https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-q-jenkins-cloud-builder
[16:37] <roaksoax> (some stuff should hut OpenStack trunk), but if it doesn't we can ship it ourselves
[16:37] <arosales> roaksoax: ok, I'll leave as beta1 and check again next week
[16:37] <utlemming> arosales: as I type, I'm attempting to online it now
[16:37] <arosales> utlemming:  thanks.
[16:37] <arosales> m_3: still now love for unit testing https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-q-juju-charm-unit-tests
[16:37] <arosales> at 10% :-(
[16:38] <arosales> m_3, jimbaker: could we get that updated this week please
[16:38] <m_3> arosales: will do
[16:38] <arosales> m_3 it has a beta1 target, are you ok with that milestone?
[16:39] <arosales> m_3: thanks or taking a look
[16:39] <arosales> #topic 12.04.1 Development (jamespage & smoser)
[16:39] <jamespage> released - please remove from agenda
[16:39] <smoser> shipped.
[16:39] <arosales> :-)
[16:39]  * arosales wonders if there will be a 12.04.2
[16:40] <jamespage> thanks to everybody who fixed bugs that targetted 12.04.1 - v much appreciated
[16:40] <arosales> but for now lets focus on qunatal
[16:40] <arosales> jamespage: yes +1 to that
[16:40] <arosales> 12.04.2 team that is (of course there will be a release :-)
[16:40] <arosales> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:40]  * jamespage hides
[16:40] <arosales> CloudOpen is currently undeway https://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/cloudopen
[16:41] <SpamapS> err
[16:41] <SpamapS> starts tonight
[16:41] <arosales> SpamapS: ah ok
[16:41] <arosales> SpamapS: you and adam_g are presenting there, correct?
[16:41] <SpamapS> otherwise crap I'm missing it! :)
[16:41] <SpamapS> Yes, I'll be speaking tomorrow, and Adam on Friday
[16:41] <arosales> great, let us know if there is a recording
[16:42] <arosales> jimbaker: your speaking at UCAR seminar this week too, correct?
[16:42] <jimbaker> arosales, on thur afternoon
[16:42] <jimbaker> 3p iirc
[16:42] <arosales> great, let us know how it goes
[16:42] <arosales> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[16:43]  * arosales doesn't see hggdh online
[16:43] <SpamapS> perhaps we should seek a different QA contact?
[16:43] <SpamapS> hggdh hasn't joined us in a *long* time
[16:43] <arosales> we did meet with the QA team, and we are going to do some investigation into UTAH
[16:43] <SpamapS> and I feel like we have QA more integrated into our team
[16:44] <arosales> #link http://utah.readthedocs.org/en/latest/index.html
[16:44] <arosales> #action arosales to follow up with hggdh and QA team on Server IRC contact
[16:44] <meetingology> ACTION: arosales to follow up with hggdh and QA team on Server IRC contact
[16:44] <arosales> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)
[16:45] <arosales> smb`: Hello, andy updates from the kernel side?
[16:46] <arosales> smb`: please feel free to interrupt if you have an update later in the meeting
[16:46] <arosales> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (rbasak)
[16:46] <rbasak> Calxeda ECX-1000 was announced as part of the 12.04.1 release, although we've had it in precise-updates for a while now.
[16:46] <rbasak> Any questions for me?
[16:46] <arosales> +1 on additional arm support in server :-)
[16:47]  * arosales already bugged rbask on arm support in maas :-)
[16:47] <arosales> next topic
[16:47] <arosales> #topic Open Discussion
[16:47] <SpamapS> Hey I had an idea..
[16:48] <SpamapS> we should probably mention CFP's that are open in the events section
[16:48] <m_3> SpamapS: yeah, that'd be useful
[16:48] <arosales> #action arosales to update events to include CFP
[16:48] <meetingology> ACTION: arosales to update events to include CFP
[16:48] <SpamapS> http://www.openstack.org/summit/san-diego-2012/call-for-speakers/
[16:48] <m_3> along with the cfp deadlines please
[16:49] <SpamapS> CFP for OpenStack summit/conf is Thursday
[16:49] <SpamapS> err, deadline for ^^
[16:50] <SpamapS> I'd suggest also that people add all open CFP's that are relevant to Ubuntu Server to the agenda while they're open
[16:50] <arosales> SpamapS: nice suggestion. Folks please feel free to update the meeting wiki with any CFPs you know about or bring them up when the events section comes around.
[16:51] <jimbaker> arosales, sounds good
[16:51] <arosales> Any other topics?
[16:51] <SpamapS> zul: did you ever know that you're my hero?
[16:51] <SpamapS> OT?
[16:51] <arosales> and on that note :-)
[16:51] <zul> SpamapS:  hmmm/
[16:51] <arosales> #topic Announce next meeting date and time
[16:52] <arosales> next meeting = Tuesday 2012-09-04 at 1600 UTC
[16:52] <arosales> Thanks all for joining the server irc meeting :-)
[16:52] <arosales> #endmeeting
[16:52] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Aug 28 16:52:28 2012 UTC.
[16:52] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-28-16.03.moin.txt
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[16:52] <jamespage> thanks arosales!
[17:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Aug 28 17:00:14 2012 UTC.  The chair is jsalisbury. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:00] <jsalisbury> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Quantal
[17:00] <apw> o/
[17:00] <arges> o/
[17:00] <henrix> o/
[17:00] <herton> o/
[17:00] <sconklin> o/
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] ARM Status (ppisati)
[17:01] <jsalisbury> no update this week.
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury)
[17:02] <jsalisbury> Release metrics and incoming bug data can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kt-meeting.txt
[17:02] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Milestone Targeted Work Items (ogasawara)
[17:02] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/canonical-kernel-distro-team-ubuntu-12.10-beta-1.html
[17:02] <ogasawara> || apw         || hardware-q-kernel-config-review || 3 work item  ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> ||             || hardware-q-kernel-delta-review  || 3 work items ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> ||             || hardware-q-kernel-misc          || 1 work item  ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> ||             || desktop-q-clean-old-kernels     || 1 work item ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> || cking       || hardware-q-kernel-misc          || 1 work item  ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> || ogasawara   || hardware-q-kernel-misc          || 4 work items ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> || tgardner    || hardware-q-kernel-misc          || 1 work item  ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> If your name is in the above table, please review your Beta-1 work items.
[17:02] <ogasawara> ..
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Quantal Development Kernel (ogasawara)
[17:03] <ogasawara> We've recently uploaded the 3.5.0-13.13 Quantal kernel to the release
[17:03] <ogasawara> pocket.  This upload most notably provides a rebase to the v3.5.3
[17:03] <ogasawara> upstream stable release.  This was also uploaded to the q-lts-backport
[17:03] <ogasawara> [1] PPA to help facilitate testing of the 12.10 kernel in 12.04.  We
[17:03] <ogasawara> welcome anyone to please install, test, and let us know your feedback.
[17:03] <ogasawara> [1] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/q-lts-backport
[17:03] <ogasawara> Note that we are 2 days away from Beta-1 Freeze and ~1 week away from
[17:03] <ogasawara> Beta-1 intself.  I do not foresee any further uploads before Thursday,
[17:03] <ogasawara> ie. Beta-1 Freeze.  If there are any critical fixes which need to land,
[17:03] <ogasawara> we need to know now.  Any uploades after Beta-1 Freeze will require
[17:03] <ogasawara> approval from the release team.
[17:03] <ogasawara> Important upcoming dates:
[17:03] <ogasawara>  * Thurs Aug 30 - Beta 1 Freeze (2 days)
[17:03] <ogasawara>  * Thurs Sept 6 - Beta 1 (~1 week)
[17:03] <ogasawara> ..
[17:04] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: CVE's (sconklin)
[17:04] <sconklin> == 2012-08-28 (weekly) ==
[17:04] <sconklin> Currently we have 88 CVEs on our radar, with two CVEs added and two CVEs retired this week.
[17:04] <sconklin> See the CVE matrix for the current list:
[17:04] <sconklin> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/ALL-linux.html
[17:04] <sconklin> Overall the backlog has decreased slightly this week:
[17:04] <sconklin> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/status/cve-metrics.txt
[17:04] <sconklin> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/CVE-linux.txt
[17:04] <sconklin> ..
[17:04] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Precise/Oneiric/Natty/Lucid/Hardy (bjf/herton/henrix)
[17:04] <henrix> Here is the status for the main kernels, until today (August 28):
[17:04] <henrix>  * Hardy - Nothing in this cycle
[17:04] <henrix>  * Lucid - In Testing; 3 CVEs; (6 commits)
[17:04] <henrix>  * Natty - Ready for -updates; 1 CVEs; (4 commits)
[17:04] <henrix>  * Oneiric - In Testing; 1 CVEs; 2 upstream stable release(s); (98 commits)
[17:04] <henrix>  * Precise - In Testing; 0 CVEs; 3 upstream stable release(s); (167 commits)
[17:04] <henrix>
[17:04] <henrix> Current opened tracking bugs details:
[17:04] <henrix>  * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kernel-sru-workflow.html
[17:04] <henrix>
[17:04] <henrix> For SRUs, SRU report is a good source of information:
[17:05] <henrix>  * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/sru-report.html
[17:05] <henrix>
[17:05] <henrix> Future stable cadence cycles:
[17:05] <henrix>  * https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseInterlock
[17:05] <henrix>
[17:05] <henrix> NOTE: next week is the week the last Natty kernel will be built.
[17:05] <henrix> ..
[17:05] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:05] <jsalisbury> Thanks everyone
[17:05] <jsalisbury> #endmeeting
[17:05] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Aug 28 17:05:50 2012 UTC.
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[03:02] <tasker> my maas server is running out of disk space. I don't want to turn off the  maas-proxy service, but I do want to clean it up. is there an "official" way to do this? or can I simply "rm -r /var/spool/maas-proxy/*"?
[15:11] <xygnal> roaksoax: please give me more detail about your larger unimpacted environment where this issue is not seen.  what kind of hardware capacity?  what sysctl settings on the OS?
[15:23] <roaksoax> xygnal: i don't have the details i hand as wasn't given that information. But 32GB of ram seems plenty to me. I have a feeling that this could be related to it running on vmware
[15:24] <roaksoax> that said
[15:24] <roaksoax> how UI intensive are you ?
[15:55] <xygnal> we are very UI intensive.  we have as many as probably 4-6 people refreshing at the same time impatiently, beacuse refresh takes a long time.
[15:57] <xygnal> like i have implied before, if the first scan of nodes is slow. any further scans and reloads-of-scans just caues memory to go craaaaazy until its killed
[15:58] <xygnal> and that source reason of the first scan being SLOW is likely why we see it trigger so often
[15:58] <roaksoax> xygnal: so the devices list has bene testing with 8000+ nodes
[15:58] <roaksoax> the machine listing with 2000+ "fake nodes"
[15:59] <xygnal> and what data do these fake nodes have in them, that a real node would have, such as all of the logs of its commissions?
[15:59] <xygnal> are those not, normal, regular things to have in a node history? a real node hstory?
[15:59] <roaksoax> xygnal: the only difference is power paramaters
[15:59] <roaksoax> but everything else is filled
[16:00] <roaksoax> e.g. commissioning data, events, hardware testing data, etc
[16:00] <xygnal> ah if they are not checking power then i would expect them to simply breeze by at high speeds
[16:00] <xygnal> no hardware, no slowdowns
[16:00] <xygnal> that doest seem very effective testing to me :/
[16:00] <roaksoax> xygnal: so why dont you try to start a couple workers ?
[16:00] <roaksoax> xygnal: or at least an extra worker ?
[16:00] <roaksoax> xygnal: in 2.3 that's all done in systemd
[16:00] <xygnal> we can do that? i thought 4 was the limit
[16:01] <roaksoax> xygnal: we dont support more owrkers on 2.3, but its been done in te past afaik
[16:01] <roaksoax> xygnal: 2.4 will introduce dynamic worker up to 8 workers
[16:03] <xygnal> i'll look into adding a worker in systemd
[16:03] <xygnal> would that actally  cause any difference scans or just UI response?
[16:03] <roaksoax> xygnal: it should spread the load more, we dont pin specific workers to specific services
[16:03] <roaksoax> at least not on 2.3
[16:04] <roaksoax> 2.4 will have some worker separation between what each worker does
[16:04] <roaksoax> xygnal: also, i would be interested in knowing what data is being setn over the websocket
[16:04] <xygnal> I provided screen shots of that in the bug report
[16:04] <xygnal> but mike confirmed we cannot export the logs for web socket
[16:05] <roaksoax> xygnal: yea we can't but I mean, see how big the data being sent is
[16:05] <xygnal> it didnt look that big to me
[16:05] <xygnal> look at the attached screen shots :)
[16:05] <roaksoax> xygnal: have the bug link in hand ?
[16:06] <xygnal> if you want network traces, or database dumps, core dumps from memory kills, just tell us what to gather to get you deeper
[16:06] <roaksoax> what i'm more interested in knowing is what data is loading over the websocket and how big it is
[16:07] <roaksoax> for example, it could be loading data for the 500 machines
[16:07] <roaksoax> instead of loading data only for the machines that you can see
[16:07] <roaksoax> although that should have gotten fixed
[16:07] <xygnal> https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1744765
[16:07] <roaksoax> maybe the hardware testing is loading more dat
[16:07] <xygnal> it looks to be grabbing them 50 at a time
[16:07] <xygnal> from what i saw in the websocket calls
[16:08] <roaksoax> xygnal: https://i355451027.restricted.launchpadlibrarian.net/355451027/Screen%20Shot%202018-02-01%20at%202.42.35%20PM.png?token=PqMK4FCvf7Dfg9cp83g88PzFwD0K4hMd
[16:08] <roaksoax> xygnal: in thta screenshot, the above has a length of 75489
[16:08] <xygnal> what is *in* that request
[16:08] <xygnal> what is the payload to make it so big
[16:09] <xygnal> or rather, what CAN it be that would make it so big
[16:09] <roaksoax> xygnal: i would like to see the expanded output
[16:09] <roaksoax> to know for sure
[16:09] <roaksoax> xygnal: but in the one that's already expanded
[16:09] <xygnal> not sure how to do that since it was not letting me export
[16:09] <roaksoax> xygnal: you can see it seems to be for various machines
[16:09] <xygnal> web sockets does not support export to file
[16:10] <roaksoax> xygnal: right, that's fine screenshots are fine
[16:10] <xygnal> will see if i can copy it, i thought i had trouble getting it to LET me
[16:10] <roaksoax> but for example, in that 75k length one
[16:10] <xygnal> what you want a 10 page screen shot?
[16:10] <xygnal> ;)
[16:10] <roaksoax> xygnal: the data will be organized per machine, so first things first would be to see for how many machines its showing that data
[16:11] <xygnal> it looked like it was 50 machines at a time, in those requests
[16:11] <xygnal> when iwas expanding and digging around
[16:11] <roaksoax> e.g. if it is showing for 590... even though the UI is only rendering 10, then that seems like a bug
[16:11] <roaksoax> xygnal: and tin the 75k one, per ecah machine, what data is being sent
[16:11] <roaksoax> so i would need to know those two things
[16:12] <xygnal> I will see what I can  get
[16:14] <roaksoax> thanks
[16:15] <xygnal> btw, when thsi happens, we dont see all of the twistd3 processes going nuts at the same time.
[16:15] <xygnal> it's usually one or two processes that just grow grow grow in cpu and memory
[16:15] <xygnal> so i dont think threading is going to do much
[16:16] <xygnal> if you think our commission logs could be part of the problem, is there a quick database query you could propose to see just how much of that data we have?
[16:18] <roaksoax> i dont think the commissioning logs are the problem actually, since I believe you applied a fix in the websockets to not load the whole file
[16:19] <roaksoax> but rather, if virtual scrolling is working as expected, it should not be loading the data from the 500 machines
[16:19] <roaksoax> only from the ones you see rendered
[16:20] <roaksoax> xygnal: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/29953531/how-to-save-websocket-frames-in-chrome
[16:23] <xygnal> nice find :)
[16:23] <xygnal> we did apply a fix that as proposed, but we backed it out in prod after it did not have affect.
[16:24] <xygnal> fyi
[16:37] <roaksoax> yeah that was only for machine details
[16:37] <roaksoax> not really for the listing
[19:56] <xygnal> roaksoax: any change increased threads may cause problems connecting to rack controllers? none of mine can connect now.
[20:32] <mup> Bug #1748538 opened: [2.4] Updating the boot source can cause duplicate entries in the boot source cache <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1748538>
[20:45] <xygnal> roaksoax:  soemthing caused all the rackd's to hang, so i restarted their service..  I tried that code in the inspector console, it fails. syntax is not right.  not sure how to write proper syntax to do this.
[21:11] <mup> Bug #1748542 opened: [2.4, API] Pods create do not document the parameters needed per type <doc> <pod> <trivial> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1748542>
[22:20] <xygnal> roaksoax:  bug updated with requested WS traces


[07:58] <Allentown> Hello all!
[09:35] <rmg511> Morning
[10:45] <JonathanD> Morning.
[11:29] <rmg511> bye-bye
[11:35] <waltman> Morning
[11:42] <JonathanD> Hey waltman
[11:42] <waltman> coffee++
[11:42] <JonathanD> coffee would be nice.
[11:45] <waltman> I hardly ever make coffee in the morning during the week, but today seemed like a good day for it
[11:49] <JonathanD> I'll get some at work.
[11:52] <waltman> I think it was the combination of post-wedding sleepiness, plus the weather
[12:09] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else
[12:21] <waltman> This is nice having coffee in the morning before I leave for work. :)
[12:22] <JonathanD> the weather is not nice.
[12:22] <JonathanD> I was going to run, and it's really a cop-out, but I  stepped outside and just couldn't do it.
[12:23] <JonathanD> So instead I cooked. The opposite of running :P
[12:24] <waltman> You need energy to run!
[12:25] <JonathanD> Perhaps tomorrow I'll have some.
[12:25] <JonathanD> The coffee pot here is not functioning.
[12:26] <waltman> !
[12:26] <JonathanD> This may be worthy of calling off work :P
[12:26] <JonathanD> Except there will be coffee there, so maybe not.
[12:30] <waltman> You know who I bet will have coffee? Andy.
[13:16] <jedijf> damn you waltman - i still am gonna try andy's
[13:21] <JonathanD> waltman: too late, at work now.
[13:21] <JonathanD> 13:19:50 < JonathanD> Just made a cup of coffee in the keurig here at work.
[13:21] <JonathanD> 13:19:57 < JonathanD> Forgot to put the cup under it first.
[13:21] <JonathanD> My coffee adventures so far.
[13:45] <ChinnoDog> Yous were up early.
[13:45] <andrew> meh
[13:45] <JonathanD> Yeah.
[13:58]  * waltman sets up an intravenous quintuple espresso drip for JonathanD
[14:01] <andrew> drip? Might be too slow
[14:03] <waltman> Hmm, good point
[14:16] <andrew> pressurize that line
[20:41] <jedijf> pleia2: great wedding and all, but how the heck can you go to jim's and get the small steak? or was that a lens/perception issue?
[20:41] <andrew> ha
[20:42] <jedijf> lucky i didn't see that until after the wedding
[20:55] <waltman> I didn't even know Jim's HAD small steaks!
[20:56] <JonathanD> cheesesteaks?
[20:58] <jedijf> waltman: either did/do I; that's why i though lens perspective issue
[20:58] <jedijf> the damn Maine'ys may have smooshed it too
[20:59] <jedijf> waltman: check pleia2's twitter/facebook - i saw it on there - looked small
[20:59] <jedijf> family in philly pre-wedding fun stuff
[20:59] <jedijf> i was tired; i saw it after the wedding
[21:03] <waltman> http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/8686889206/in/contacts/ # I think that's a proper cheesesteak
[21:05] <waltman> http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/8685786353/ # what's the red stuff here?
[21:06] <jedijf> the first shot still looks small - but it must be the perspective and re: the red stuff; no clue
[21:08] <jedijf> pleia2: if that's the new camera, send it back - makes steaks look small
[21:08] <JonathanD> That would be a great review.
[21:08] <JonathanD> "Camera defective, makes steaks look small"
[21:09] <jedijf> and petrifies condiments
[21:15] <waltman> That reminds me of a billboard I saw once -- "No one ever lost weight eating our hoagies"
[21:15] <jedijf> sweet
[21:19] <jedijf> JonathanD: for the record, in the lyz shot, you can neither confirn nor deny the presence of cheese - nicely played lyz!
[21:21] <jedijf> that's class 6 material
[21:41] <Samuraialba> Good bacon to all and to all some good bacon!


[18:36] <mhall119> just pushed a Django template based on the new theme, proposed for merging into lp:~kuzeko/ubuntu-website/light-base-theme
[18:36] <mhall119> Here's how it looks so far: http://img822.imageshack.us/f/classroomtheme.png/
[18:51] <cjohnston> mhall119: i cant merge into that branch
[19:26] <mhall119> I know, I'm not sure why the review was assigned to you
[19:26] <mhall119> there isn't anything in the ubunt-website/light-base-theme branch at the moment
[19:27] <mhall119> you might just need to copy what's in my branch into that one
[19:29] <cjohnston> k


[11:15] <groundwalker> אהלן
[11:25] <avihay_> hello
[11:30] <groundwalker> אהלן
[11:30] <groundwalker> אני צריך קצת עזרה
[11:30] <groundwalker> עם DVB
[11:40] <avihay_> groundwalker: throw more details in, hopefully someone will know
[11:41] <groundwalker> thanks
[11:42] <avihay_> feel free to use hebrew
[11:45] <groundwalker> looking to run a apex usb stick in ubuntu but wont find any channels
[11:46] <groundwalker> via vlc or wscan
[11:49] <avihay> groundwalker:  can you show me the output of lsusb (list USB devices) for that device? it's easyer to search that  way
[11:49] <groundwalker> 15a4:9016 Afatech Technologies, Inc. AF9015 DVB-T USB2.0 stick
[11:55] <avihay> well, you might need to perform a procedure to install some firmware on it first, I havn't finnished reading. http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_USB_Devices#Supported_DVB-T_USB_Devices_.28old_data.29
[11:56] <groundwalker> ok
[11:59] <groundwalker> ubuntu made a install
[11:59] <groundwalker> automaticly
[12:00] <avihay> http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Afatech_AF9015 is for your specific chip, but it doesn't list a vendor called apex
[12:01] <groundwalker> yea but its looks like the same chip
[12:04] <avihay> yes. they claim that it should just work(tm) but that there are a few other drivers that might work better or worse
[12:06] <avihay> well, I've downloaded most of the tv viewing software I found in the repositories untill I found some that work with my capture card
[12:06] <groundwalker> '/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0': 16 Device or resource busy
[12:06] <groundwalker> i think i found the problem
[12:07] <groundwalker>  w_scan -a 0 -f t
[12:07] <groundwalker> this was the command
[12:07] <groundwalker> that gave me the output
[12:09] <avihay> anyone knows if you can lsof a block device?
[12:09] <groundwalker> what?
[12:10] <avihay> try                 lsof /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0
[12:11] <avihay> you might want to paste the results in a pastebing
[12:11] <groundwalker> do i need sudo?
[12:11] <avihay> like http://pastebin.kde.org/
[12:11] <avihay> don't think so
[12:12] <avihay> bin*
[12:12] <groundwalker> COMMAND  PID USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME
[12:12] <groundwalker> w_scan  3086 home    3u   CHR  212,3      0t0 7264 /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0
[12:13] <groundwalker> http://pastebin.kde.org/448508/
[12:13] <avihay> ok, it might be that a previous attempt by you to run w_scan is causeing the device to be busy
[12:14] <groundwalker> k i gonna reboot
[12:14] <avihay> try to kill the previous instance of w_scan, and try again            kill 3086            <---the pid. you can alternativly perform                   killall w_scan
[12:15] <avihay> groundwalker: this isn't windows, there are other options other then reset solves all
[12:15] <groundwalker> i tried lots of programs thoe
[12:15] <groundwalker> you right
[12:16] <groundwalker> i wscan
[12:16] <groundwalker> its
[12:16] <avihay> try kill 3086, perform the lsof check again (should come out empty) then try w_scan again
[12:16] <avihay> I kinda have to go to clas
[12:16] <avihay> class
[12:16] <groundwalker> k
[12:17] <groundwalker> thanks
[12:17] <avihay> good luck, if your english is good, you can try the #ubuntu or #kubuntu support channles, way more treffic
[12:17] <avihay> traffic*
[12:17] <groundwalker> thaks alot
[12:17] <groundwalker> i think i can take it
[12:17] <groundwalker> from here
[12:18] <groundwalker> now that iknow
[12:18] <groundwalker> the problem
[12:18] <groundwalker> thanks*
[19:26] <cobico> יש משהו בבית?


[13:51] <dholbach> davidcalle, did you note any other importer issues since we last talked? :)
[13:51] <dholbach> davidcalle, I'm going to look into adding the versioning support into the importer now
[13:51] <dholbach> maybe we can have a chat tomorrow and think about we could integrate this UI wise
[13:52] <dholbach> we could also have a chat with didrocks to see what's still needed to put the hero tour online
[14:28] <davidcalle> dholbach: the importer stripped all snappy guides friday, even though it was disabled
[14:28] <dholbach> what?
[14:29] <dholbach> how did you fix it?
[14:29] <davidcalle> dholbach: well, pages were not stripped but unpublished iirc
[14:29] <davidcalle> dholbach: and not "pending changes", they were 404
[14:30] <dholbach> davidcalle, could this be a similar issue to snappy/build-apps, where the already-existing-index-page was an issue(?)
[14:31] <dholbach> I'll try it out on staging
[14:31] <davidcalle> dholbach: I re-published and disabled snapcraft imports (just in case). No new issue so far.
[14:32] <davidcalle> dholbach: maybe, yes
[14:40] <dholbach> davidcalle, I added an import to staging to import to snappy/guides2, so we can take a look at it and maybe add that kind of import to prod too
[14:41] <dholbach> that'd let us transition more safely
[14:41] <dholbach> unfortunately kicking off the import in the admin interface on staging gives me an error message
[14:42] <davidcalle> dholbach: tried it on prod with a "snappo/" path. Do you think the fact that I changed it to "snappy/" (but with the import disabled), has caused the mayhem?
[14:42] <davidcalle> dholbach: let me look at the staging log.
[14:42] <dholbach> davidcalle, not that I know of, no
[14:44] <davidcalle> dholbach: I see a worker timeout 5 min ago in the log, let me try to see what happens if I run it wia the cli
[14:44] <davidcalle> via
[14:44] <dholbach> thanks!
[14:53] <davidcalle> dholbach: no issues in the cli. Just a bit long-ish (~5 min), but that's the three pulls, not sure what we can do about it.
[14:53] <dholbach> ok
[14:54] <dholbach> Looks like the import to snappy/guides went fine
[14:54] <dholbach> sorry, I meant snappy/guides2
[14:55] <dholbach> oh... I think I know what happened
[14:56] <dholbach> davidcalle, shall we hop on the team hangout already?
[14:56] <davidcalle> dholbach: can't just yet
[14:56] <dholbach> ok, no worries
[14:57] <dholbach> in any case: when the import is finished, it notes down the urls of the imported articles for internal notekeeping
[14:57] <dholbach> I guess when we said "hey, let's import to newpath/x/y/z" now, it looked to the importer like the old paths were abandoned pages
[14:57] <dholbach> and it cleaned up :)
[14:58] <dholbach> so when we import to a new place, we might have to fix the importers brain somewhat :-/
[14:58] <davidcalle> dholbach: you answered the question I was typing :)
[14:58] <dholbach> wow, that was unexpected, but it's quite clear what fails now :)
[14:59] <davidcalle> dholbach: that feels like a corner case that's actually not a corner case.
[14:59] <dholbach> let's talk about it tomorrow again :)
[14:59] <dholbach> we'll figure it out
[14:59] <davidcalle> :)


[07:08] <ducasse> morning all!
[07:37] <EriC^^> morning ducasse :)
[07:38] <ducasse> hiya EriC^^ - happy new year :) how are things?
[07:38] <EriC^^> thanks you too :)
[07:38] <EriC^^> good yourself?
[07:39] <EriC^^> today's actually my birthday, haha
[07:39] <ducasse> aah, congrats! mine's the 23rd :)
[07:39] <EriC^^> thanks
[07:39] <EriC^^> cool, how old will you be then?
[07:39] <ducasse> 43
[07:39] <EriC^^> cool
[07:40] <EriC^^> i'm 31 today
[07:40] <ducasse> wish i still was :)
[07:41] <EriC^^> quit that smoking and you'll get an extra 10 years of life ;)
[07:41] <ducasse> i'm down to 3-4/day, so i'm getting there :)
[07:42] <EriC^^> cool
[07:42] <EriC^^> :)
[07:42] <ducasse> any plans for your birthday?
[07:42] <EriC^^> not much
[07:43] <ducasse> go out and eat - have some fun :)
[07:43] <EriC^^> yeah :)
[07:45] <ducasse> i don't usually do much for mine either, maybe my sister brings the kids and we go have a pizza. more for them than for me :)
[07:45] <EriC^^> hehe yeah same here
[07:45] <EriC^^> the family usually gets a cake and i cut it
[07:46] <ducasse> we're old enough we have to buy our own presents ;) i bought a third screen a week ago :)
[07:46] <EriC^^> nice! :)
[07:47] <ducasse> i3 is amazing at handling multiple screens. i've never seen anything do it better.
[07:49] <EriC^^> cool i want to give a try some day
[07:49] <EriC^^> i think i downloaded it but forgot to launch it once, yup
[07:49] <EriC^^> i'll try it out in a few! brb making some coffee :)
[07:51] <ducasse> almost every de/wm will switch workspace on every omnitor if you switch on one, due to a moronic freedesktop.org standard. i3 switches them individually, and can also move a workspace to another screen.
[14:05] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:34] <ducasse> \o BluesKaj - how are you today?
[14:34] <BluesKaj> doing ok ducasse, how are you?
[14:35] <ducasse> good, thanks. snowing outside, pretty cold as well so staying inside.
[14:38] <BluesKaj> yeah, it's clear but -17 here
[14:39] <BluesKaj> for our American friends , that's 0F :-0
[14:40] <ducasse> about the same here
[14:47] <BluesKaj> my 16.10 Yakkety installation is shakey so I'm running the Zesty 17.04 atm, but as i mentioned before the plasma desktop is to blame and testing on an official release one would thinh the devs would be more cautious about uploading to the ppa repos
[14:48] <BluesKaj>  thinh=think
[14:53] <ducasse> i'm sort of considering upgrading my desktop to zesty, but then again the arch install i made on it is becoming comfy enough that i just might switch to that. i don't want to upgrade my laptop, because a fully working machine is a nice thing to have :)
[15:06] <BluesKaj> yeah, arch is nice, just too much work to install
[15:09] <ducasse> it's even less automated than i remember slackware being back when i started when linux :)
[15:10] <ducasse> i set it up from an existing (ubuntu) install, which is a lot more comfy than booting the installer imo
[15:22] <BluesKaj> I ran the the installer and followed the commands/procedure copied from the arch wiki. It worked fine, but I thought it was somehow too geeky and excusive in the sense that if you can't do these commands you don't deserve our 'wonderful OS' .. the result was to me was anticlimactic ..arch is nice but nothing special compared to other OSs that are easier to install
[15:25] <BluesKaj> and their support chat is full anti social kids with attitude ...or so it seems .. that was my experience
[15:27] <ducasse> i can imaginge their support is bad, arch has become very popular with a really unattractive crowd, imo
[15:29] <ducasse> haven't tried it myself, though, i'd rather ask in ##linux, i think
[15:30] <lordievader> Their wiki is quite good though.
[15:30] <BluesKaj> yes it's well wrtten and comprehensive
[15:31] <ducasse> yep, it's excellent.
[15:32] <lordievader> It is quite nice to see that the Gentoo and Arch wiki often refer to eachother.
[15:32] <BluesKaj> I have considered installing it again due to it's early adoption of new apps and kernels
[15:32] <lordievader> Why write something again if the other party has a decent article on the topic.
[15:37] <ducasse> the arch wiki is probably my favorite online linux resource, it's usually the first place i look for something
[15:37] <ducasse> the ubuntu wiki unfortunately has a lot of stale articles
[15:43] <BluesKaj> well, i had to reinstall windows7 on my laptop yesterday. Revenue Canada requires Windows or Mac for their online apps to file our income taxes...tried windows in a VM last yr and the app kept disconnecting from the internet
[15:44] <nicomach1s> Blame Caaaaaanadaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[15:44] <nicomach1s> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOR38552MJA
[15:47] <BluesKaj> south park ,heh, mindless garbage ..we putr the blame where it really belongs ...Russia  !
[16:50] <BluesKaj> .0.
[20:54] <ducasse> Bashing-om: \o
[20:55] <Bashing-om> I be here, better that you are still here , To cold there to sleep ?
[20:56] <ducasse> glad you're here, after this particular idjit i've lost any interest in following #ubuntu any more tonight...
[20:56] <ducasse> i should get to bed soon anyway, nearly ten at night :)
[20:56] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Yeah, do not fathom why too my fuse this day is so short .
[20:57] <Bashing-om> ducasse: ^ Boy was that some conflugated English !
[20:58] <ducasse> this guy was insisting on installing a udeb on his running system and wondering why it wasn't in the repos. when told to read the page, he said "says not to install it ... but am 1st world anarchist"
[20:58] <ducasse> hehe :)
[21:00] <ducasse> Bashing-om: how is your machine these days? still stable?
[21:01] <Bashing-om> Seen ^ . I too lost interest in his situation at that point , OP not focused, I am not going to waste resources :)
[21:04] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Well, stable so long as I do not have my primary hard drive connected. Have only had on freeze incident . Kinda makes me want to install that drive in a different box, see how it behaves , Disk contoller acting up ?
[21:05] <Bashing-om> on/one** 'e' key sticks ! .. need to clean this keyboard !
[21:05] <ducasse> could be. in one of my old machines the controllers gave me so many problems i bought a couple of pcie controllers and disabled the onboard ones.
[21:09] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Life's little 1st world problems ... gives me something to occupy the mind . Now that I am "trying" to make a desktop install of xubuntu 16.04 on the SSD as my primary .
[21:11] <ducasse> ssd all the things! :)
[21:13] <Bashing-om> ducasse: On this old hardware, I upgraded a 12.04 desktop ubuntu install to 17.04 . Compared to X on the SSD come kind of slow !
[21:15] <ducasse> i was thinking of getting an m.2 ssd for my desktop, but decided a regular sata ssd would be good enough for my use.
[21:16] <Bashing-om> ducasse: :) can only go as fast as the interface will let it .
[21:18] <ducasse> m.2 on my system is 'limited' to 10gbps, on skylake it's 32 iirc.
[21:18] <ducasse> i could have used a pcie nvme device, though.
[21:19] <ducasse> but now it's time for me to disconnect from tmux, ttyl Bashing-om!
[21:19] <Bashing-om> ducasse: K; see ya on the flip side :)


[01:07] <eruditehermit> hi
[17:46] <mardy> question for ACPI people: do I understand correctly that a kernel driver can read any of the fields in the DSDT, by calling acpi_evaluate_integer(device, field_path, NULL, &result) ?
[17:47] <mardy> I'm asking because I see that that function is only use to invoke ACPI methods
[19:54] <Viral> Hi all, does a tickless kernel (CONFIG_NO_HZ=y) effected by CONFIG_HZ_###?
[20:09] <mjg59> Viral: Yes, CONFIG_HZ provides the length of a timer tick while code is running
[20:31] <Viral> uhh, is there something up with the git repos : kernel.ubuntu.com[0: <IP_ADDRESS>]: errno=Connection refused
[20:31] <Viral> locally and remotely
[23:02] <ali1234> git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ appears to be down?
[23:31] <kamal> ali1234: yes, git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ does appear to be down.  I'll report the issue to Canonical information services.
[23:31] <ali1234> thanks
[23:37] <ali1234> since i'm here i might as well ask this question, which is the reason why i need kernel git and not just headers
[23:38] <ali1234> i'm working on a driver for logitech keyboards with built in LCD display
[23:38] <ali1234> i can build the driver out of tree OK
[23:38] <ali1234> but i need to add the USB IDs to the hid blacklist in order for my driver to work, otherwise the standard hid module takes over the device
[23:39] <ali1234> patching the hid blacklist requires rebuilding the hid.ko, which needs full kernel source
[23:39] <ali1234> so is there a way around this?
[23:40] <ali1234> i looked at using kernel bind through sysfs but i couldn't figure out how to use it with hid drivers
[23:42] <kamal> ali1234: sorry, can't help you there, but ...
[23:42] <kamal> I'm happy to report that Canonical IS has fixed git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ for us
[23:42] <ali1234> there's also an easy 50 rep on stack exchange if anyone knows the answer: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/12005/how-to-use-linux-kernel-driver-bind-unbind-interface-for-usb-hid-devices
[23:42] <ali1234> kamal: excellent, thanks
[23:42] <kamal> ali1234: glad to help


[00:16] <Vantrax> Grats on the CC pleia2
[00:45] <pleia2> Vantrax: thank you :)
[00:47] <cprofitt> ?
[00:50] <pleia2> cprofitt: community council!
[00:50] <cprofitt> ah...
[00:50] <cprofitt> meeting right?
[00:50] <pleia2> elections
[00:50] <cprofitt> where?
[00:51] <pleia2> oh, they started a couple weeks ago, I was a nominee and now I'm a member :)
[00:52] <cprofitt> where does one vote?
[00:53] <pleia2> mark sent out ballots to all ubuntu members a couple weeks ago, voting closed this morning
[00:53] <cprofitt> odd... I do not believe I got one.
[00:53] <pleia2> :\
[00:54] <cprofitt> how was it addressed?
[00:54] <pleia2> let's see..
[00:55] <pleia2> from: Mark Shuttleworth, CIVS poll supervisor<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:55] <pleia2> to: my default launchpad email addres
[00:55] <cprofitt> I wanted to vote for you and bodhi_zazen
[00:55] <pleia2> subject: CIVS Poll now available for voting: Ubuntu Community Council 2009
[00:55] <pleia2> bodhi_zazen wasn't on the ballot :(
[00:56] <cprofitt> :-(
[00:56] <cprofitt> I thought he was
[00:56] <pleia2> and I made it!
[00:56] <pleia2> the ballot only had 12 names
[00:56] <cprofitt> grats
[00:58] <pleia2> thanks :)
[00:59] <cprofitt> no record of it...
[00:59] <pleia2> aw
[00:59] <cprofitt> I have to check the stupid spam folder on-line for my ISP
[00:59] <Vantrax> lol
[01:00] <cprofitt> what date ?
[01:00] <Vantrax> btw pleia2 swoody is going for ubuntu membership
[01:00] <Vantrax> I probably wont be there but he has my full backing
[01:00] <pleia2> Vantrax: hm, for some reason I thought he was already a member
[01:00] <Vantrax> nope
[01:00] <pleia2> noted :)
[01:00] <Vantrax> but he should be
[01:01] <cprofitt> pleia2, what date was the email on?
[01:01] <pleia2> cprofitt: sept 22nd
[01:02] <cprofitt> there it is in my junk mail folder on the ISP -- I gotta figure out how to turn that off
[01:02] <cprofitt> I would prefer to have my program handle it
[01:02] <Vantrax> pity
[01:02] <Vantrax> but popey and pleia2 got in so im happy
[01:02] <Vantrax> anyway afk a bit
[01:03] <cprofitt> Yes... I just want to contribute and be a part... and not getting the email...
[01:03] <cprofitt> gah
[01:03] <pleia2> darn email, unreliable thing
[01:03] <cprofitt> nah... just Time Warner
[01:03] <cprofitt> with their before it gets to your email spam filter
[01:06] <cprofitt> gotta go spend time with daughter
[01:06] <cprofitt> bbl
[01:08] <bodhi_zazen> pleia2: and you will make a fine member on the CC =)
[01:09] <bodhi_zazen> And +1 on my support of swoody as well
[01:09] <pleia2> bodhi_zazen: thank you :)
[01:11] <bodhi_zazen> FYI: I was going to put Zenbutnu on the CC agenda after the election, more a FYI, both for you and the CC
[01:11] <bodhi_zazen> I send an email to Canonical re: trademark several weeks ago and have not heard back
[01:12] <pleia2> response time for the trademark department tends to be slow
[01:12] <bodhi_zazen> as I read the trademark page I do not see a violation as I am not selling Zenbuntu nor am I promoting it as a non-ubuntu distro
[01:12] <bodhi_zazen> but that is more of a FYI then anything else
[01:13] <pleia2> yeah, I think it's more useful as an FYI, I get the impression that they'll take action if there is an issue but mostly ignore things they think are fine
[01:14] <bodhi_zazen> that has been my impression
[01:14] <bodhi_zazen> they don't want to say yes as they wish to reserve the right to say no in the future
[01:15]  * pleia2 nods
[01:15] <bodhi_zazen> Based on my experience with this project it seems some on the CC wish to have a heads up on community projects, lol
[01:15] <pleia2> yeah, they seemed to appreciate it when this team showed up :)
[01:15] <Zachk18> well understandably so
[01:27] <swoody> hello again everyone :)
[01:27] <pleia2> hey swoody
[01:27] <swoody> completely forgot that I didn't add this channel after my last fresh install :(
[01:27] <swoody> hello pleia2 :)
[01:27] <pleia2> welcome back :)
[01:27] <swoody> how are you this evening?
[01:28] <pleia2> doing good
[01:28] <swoody> oh it's good to be back :)
[01:28] <pleia2> you?
[01:28] <swoody> oh I can't complain, thank you :)
[01:30] <Zachk18> heya swoody
[01:31] <swoody> hello Zachk18 :)
[01:31] <swoody> and congrats again on becoming a BT member!
[01:31] <Zachk18> ty
[01:33] <pleia2> swoody: your email address always makes me hungry
[01:33] <swoody> pleia2, heh, me too :)
[01:33] <swoody> sushi's good any time of day!
[01:33] <pleia2> hehe
[01:34] <pleia2> yum yum sushi, I could go for some sushi
[02:06] <Vantrax> mmmm sushi.... sashimi....