[16:31] <Zehava> How can I get firefox java plugin to work with kubuntu please
[16:31] <michael__> they are slower then grandma going to the restroom
[16:32] <eagles0513875> !ot | michael__
[16:33] <michael__> don't know all the rules, since going linux crazy.
[16:34] <genii> michael__: Do you know exact make and model of your winmodem?
[16:35] <michael__> it would not matter genii. either linux preconfigures it for me or i toss it.
[16:36] <michael__> its nice with kubuntu and ubuntu it configures most devices for you.
[16:36] <genii> michael__: Tossing is better for those pieces of crap anyhow
[16:36] <michael__> !!!
[16:37] <michael__> that what they are, pieces of crap for the landfill ehheheeh.
[16:37] <genii> michael__: Pretty much.
[16:37] <michael__> but seems like no matter what else i throw at linux usb device, all of them work.
[16:37] <genii> michael__: You *MAY* be able to get it working past the 14.4 speed the linuxant drivers provide if you use the Dell linux driver for ubuntu
[16:38] <michael__> genii you know i am not worried about it, after being on dsl for the past 4 years.
[16:38] <michael__> the modem can sit there in my pc and do nothing, i will never hook no telephone wire to it.
[16:39] <michael__> except a ethernet cable heheeh.
[16:39] <genii> michael__: If you use dsl for nternet, the linuxant driver is still useful then for faxing, etc
[16:39] <michael__> its been 20 years  since i faxed something
[16:40] <michael__> if you can't send it email style through the internet, forget it.
[16:40] <michael__> thats another goody they can toss fax machines.
[16:41] <eagles0513875> michale offtopic bro keep ur ranting to offtopic plz this is support channel
[16:42] <michael__> actually someone can be some help here.
[16:42] <michael__> i tried kubuntu 8.1 the only thing i don't like about it, it will not keep my screen resolution settings
[16:43] <michael__> when i go to restart it, it defaults back to 1024,768
[16:43] <andreas_> hi
[16:43] <eagles0513875> !hi | andreas_
[16:43] <michael__> that is one reason i went back to kubuntu 8.04 once i set it to 800x600 85hz it saves it
[16:44] <andreas_> thanx
[16:44] <andreas_> my first 64Bit Kubuntu runs
[16:44] <andreas_> :-)
[16:45] <andreas_> and i have nothing in my brain
[16:45] <andreas_> im helpless
[16:46] <eagles0513875> !enter | andreas_
[16:47] <michael__> thank you whoever invented kubuntu and ubuntu as debian based linux, it really not hard to use
[16:48] <eagles0513875> did u fix it mich
[16:52] <genii> michael__: At any rate, the Dell winmodem driver for ubuntu is found at http://linux.dell.com/files/ubuntu/hardy/modem-drivers/hsf/hsfmodem_<IP_ADDRESS>oem_i386.deb  and works with all Conexant types. If yours is not Conexant , your mileage may vary
[16:55] <genii> michael__: Please do not private message me, I assist in public channel only. As the directory path of the download shows, this is for hsf modems.
[16:56] <michael__> excuse me, i didn't know we had alot unpolite  people on here.
[16:57] <genii> michael__: The Rockwell modems generally use internally a Conexant chipset, so this driver is more than likely to work.
[16:57] <farapa> hi guys
[16:57] <farapa> i have kubuntu intrepid. guidance power manager does not show cpu frequency. is there any other program for power management to try? Solid also says that it uses hal-power
[16:58] <michael__> i will give it a try if not like i said GENII, i don't really care!! i used linux this long without a stupid modem
[16:58] <michael__> been using ethernet for the past 5 years
[16:58] <michael__> and all the modems gradually been seeing the trash can heheeh.
[16:59] <desu> farapa: try doing a `cat /proc/cpuinfo'. that should show you the frequency
[16:59] <genii> michael__: Then toss it, or not, as you prefer. Otherwise why come here and complain about it if's not something that matters to you
[16:59] <farapa> desu: thanks. just a min
[17:01] <farapa> desu: ok the problem is not to see cpu freq. the problem is that i suspect that power management does not work correctly, because my laptop some times closes unexpectedly, and i suppose that is overheating or something, and i supposed that power management has problem since i dont see cpufreq. anyway the question is how i m sure powermanagent works, and if i have other alternatives to use
[17:02] <robotboy_> how do you install abobe flash player?
[17:02] <michael> the most easiset wasy robotboy.
[17:02] <desu> farapa: can you try doing a `sudo grep kernel /boot/grub/menu.lst' and paste the output to rafb.net/paste?
[17:02] <bazhang> michael, ??
[17:02] <michael> copy  the flashlib.so directly to the plugins if you are using firefox
[17:02] <michael> it would be firefox/plugins
[17:03] <robotboy_> yes
[17:03] <Tm_T> michael: no
[17:03] <nicola> Hi
[17:03] <desu> there's a package available in the repositories
[17:03] <robotboy_> hi
[17:03] <michael> as with anyone using opera don't use that browser it doesn't support flash 10
[17:03] <bazhang> that is not the recommended method
[17:03] <Tm_T> !flash | robotboy_
[17:03] <desu> !gnash
[17:03] <Tm_T> michael: I might disagree you there
[17:03] <grendal_prime> ok this is crazy, i need to be able to use sftp in quanta.  Im running ubuntu but quanta is a kde application...what is the mininmum reqs for the kio slave to function?
[17:03] <michael> because the flash is broken with ubunu
[17:04] <robotboy_> ok
[17:04] <Tm_T> michael: is not
[17:04] <bazhang> michael, that is simply not true
[17:04] <farapa> desu: i ll do
[17:04] <Mamarok> michael: running opera 9.6 here, with flash working quite well
[17:04] <ikonia> michael: flash is not broken in ubuntu, adobe has taken down the package
[17:04] <michael> firefox has won the war. opera loses
[17:04] <bazhang> !ot > michael
[17:04] <nicola> I'm tring to install pkg-kde-tools from "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu intrepid main" but there is a bug
[17:05] <jussi01> nicola: whats the errror message?
[17:05] <nicola> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/303468
[17:05] <Tm_T> michael: FYI: this is not a place fore oneman wars
[17:05] <nicola> do you know any workaround?
[17:05] <robotboy_> that website did not work
[17:05] <robotboy_> no
[17:06] <robotboy_> whant to see my website
[17:06] <robotboy_> http://jarod.dime-software.co.uk
[17:06] <Pici> robotboy_: This is a support channel, please do not advertise  here.
[17:06] <bazhang> robotboy_, you want to install flashplugin-nonfree
[17:06] <robotboy_> yes
[17:07] <farapa> desu: http://rafb.net/p/wU9JTX48.html
[17:07] <nicola> This is the error message:
[17:07] <robotboy_>  i am not bothed about that any more
[17:07] <desu> hmm.... doesn't seem to be an acpi issue...
[17:08] <robotboy_> whats acpi
[17:08] <nicola> trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kubuntu-desktop-i18n/findfiles', which is also in package kdesdk-scripts
[17:08] <robotboy_> oh
[17:08] <desu> !acpi
[17:08] <desu> hmm...
[17:08] <desu> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACPI
[17:08] <farapa> anyway ,. thanks for the effort desu
[17:09] <desu> farapa: can i know the brand and the model number of your laptop?
[17:09] <farapa> desu: hp compaq nx9020
[17:10] <robotboy_> i love computers
[17:11] <robotboy_> hello
[17:11] <ikonia> robotboy_: stop now please.
[17:11] <ikonia> robotboy_: this is a support channel only
[17:11] <robotboy_> i will go of this then
[17:13] <farapa> thanks
[17:13] <michael__> anyone know how to make the wired ethernet to stay connected when restarting kubuntu
[17:13] <farapa> see u
[17:13] <ikonia> michael__: you can't be connected without an OS
[17:14] <robotboy_> no i don't think that is possble
[17:14] <alonea> how do I get linux to set the clock with local time instead of utc so it doesn't screw up my windows?
[17:14] <ikonia> michael__: the OS controls your network, so if you reboot/restart it disconnects
[17:14] <robotboy_> oh it can work
[17:14] <nicola> ok, I found a solution. I first removed kdesdk-scripts with "dpkg -r".
[17:14] <michael__> well with kubuntu 7.04 it stayed connected soon as i started kubuntu
[17:14] <michael__> after that version, everything just went their own seperate way.
[17:15] <pteague_work> anybody know when the virtual box kernels will get updated to current ubuntu kernel?
[17:15] <michael__> there has to be solution for this problem.
[17:15] <alonea> how do I get linux to set the clock with local time instead of utc so it doesn't screw up my windows?
[17:15] <ikonia> michael__: please be specific saying "everything went it's own way makes nosense"
[17:15] <eagles0513875> ikonia got my problem sloved bout mp3's not playing
[17:16] <ikonia> michael__: other #kubuntu versions will connect automaically on boot if you have dhcp setup on that nic and a dhcp server listening on the network, OR if you have a working static IP config
[17:16] <michael__> why does  everyone have to, "YOU MUST BE SPECIFIC"
[17:16] <michael__> i say it the way it is
[17:16] <robotboy_> anybody know how to install webmin
[17:16] <robotboy_> with sudo
[17:16] <pteague_work> alonea: i thought there was a way during the install process to select that the clock should be based on local time
[17:16] <robotboy_> ok
[17:17] <ikonia> michael__: your not saying it the way it is
[17:17] <ikonia> robotboy_: webmin is not packaged or supported by ubuntu any more
[17:17] <michael__> i used to like kubuntu 7.04
[17:17] <ikonia> michael__: to get help you need to be specific saying "it goes it's own way" means nothing
[17:17] <robotboy_> oh weh i forgot that
[17:17] <bazhang> !ebox > robotboy_
[17:18] <michael__> kubuntu 8.04 is nice but when going to kubuntu 8.10 it gets out of hand. like not saving screen resolution
[17:18] <alonea> pteague_work: I have no idea and I certainly am not going to reinstall to fix this. I don't remember seeing that option, but with kde4 I can't seem to find any of the options I used to could find on kde3
[17:18] <robotboy_> ok
[17:18] <ikonia> michael__: screen resolution issues can normally be resolved with xorg configuration/driver configuration, due to the later version 8.10 comes with later driver versions and not all cards work out of the box or at all
[17:19] <michael__> well i am all total auto piolet not manual
[17:19] <michael__> here ikonia
[17:19] <ikonia> michael__: then stick with kubuntu 8.04 unless you are certain your hardwae is supported out of the box
[17:20] <pteague_work> alonea: yeah, i'm wondering if there might be a way via ntp or some such
[17:20] <michael__> so til they get all those bugs out of kubuntu 8.1 i am using kubuntu 8.04 and its pretty much all AUTO PIOLET MODE.
[17:20] <ikonia> michael__: ok, great.
[17:20] <alonea> I saw a thing that said right click on clock and uncheck utc...but I dont see that anywhere on here.
[17:20] <michael__> except for the ethernet not staying connected when i restart kubuntu
[17:21] <ikonia> michael__: as I say, if you have the correct configuration on your card/network there is no reason why it won't connect on boot up
[17:21] <amerigo> !openoffice
[17:21] <michael__> sorry ikonia LIKE I SAID, i like it WHEN kubuntu is fully AUTO PILOT MODE not manual
[17:21] <alonea> !utc
[17:22] <ikonia> michael__: please stop using caps
[17:22] <michael__> please stopping this and that.
[17:22] <ikonia> michael__: sometimes you have to make a configuation change,
[17:22] <michael__> junk
[17:22] <ikonia> michael__: drop the attitude, if you want help, I'm helping
[17:22] <michael__> ikonia, you are not helping you giving more detail then just the basic file to make it work right.
[17:23] <ikonia> michael__: I'm not giving you any files
[17:23] <ikonia> michael__: I'm explaining that in some situations you have to make a change from the default configuration to make it compatible on your network
[17:23] <michael__> for now kubuntu 8.04 i like it because it keeping everything in AUTO PILOT
[17:23] <ikonia> michael__: it should work with minor changes or out of the box, but sometimes there are deeper faults
[17:23] <michael__> except for the network
[17:24] <ikonia> michael__: stop using caps, auto pilot is not a real thing, I'm assuming you mean the default settings when you set auto pilot
[17:24] <michael__> i think this channel is filled with some people that don't understand english.
[17:25] <alonea> anyone know how to get linux to do local instead of utc? I can't find the setting.
[17:25] <ikonia> michael__: we understand english perfectly,
[17:25] <bazhang> michael__, chat in #kubuntu-offtopic
[17:25] <ikonia> michael__: hence why I'm asking you to be a little more specific so we can take it forward
[17:25] <michael__> ask a simple question and put in little funiness they all go crazy
[17:26] <ikonia> michael__: no, we can't understand the problem %100 when you don't make things clear
[17:26] <ikonia> michael__: hence again why I'm asking when you say auto pilot you mean the default settings from a default install yes/no ?
[17:26] <michael__> anyone might have a solution for this network thing, i tried going into it telling it to start when linux starts
[17:27] <michael__> but it just defaults right back to its stupid setting, manual connect
[17:27] <ikonia> michael__: if you give us the detail I've asked for we can hopefully work it through
[17:27] <bazhang> michael__, you are doing this with the gui? or the cli?
[17:27] <eagles0513875> michael__ listen to ikonia we want to help but your not answering any questions hes been asking
[17:28] <michael__> all i know when i installed kubuntu it has this network icon that starts with kubuntu. and i right click it and go with wired
[17:28] <bazhang> honestly michael__ you are not giving clear answers
[17:28] <michael__> because i am a windows user not some stupid linux users like you people are
[17:28] <bazhang> michael__, no need for that kind of talk
[17:28] <alonea> I solved my own problem..../etc/default/rcS
[17:29] <ikonia> michael__: people are tyring to help you - consider this a warning drop the attitude if you want help
[17:29] <alonea> why even bother helping people who wont help themselves?
[17:44] <master_> My baby moves my start button over to the far right.. How can I put it on the left again?
[17:49] <nicola> Hi, I've installed kde 4.2 beta1. But after login all the window are without the top bar. I've experienced problems with pkg-kde-tools installation.
[17:50] <JontheEchidna> nicola: ok, first could you pastebin the output of "sudo apt-get install pkg-kde-tools" ?
[17:51] <nicola> I've resolved the problem with pkg-kde-tools
[17:51] <JontheEchidna> ok
[17:52] <nicola> but I have problems with windows
[17:52] <solifugus> nicola: that's great.. now can you work on the unified theory..
[17:52] <JontheEchidna> make sure everything is upgraded (sudo apt-get dist-upgrade) just to be safe
[17:52] <JontheEchidna> then you could run kwin --replace if everything's upgraded
[17:53] <JontheEchidna> which would bring back the window manager
[17:54] <nicola> The following packages have been kept back:  gwenview
[17:54] <nicola> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[17:54] <JontheEchidna> ok, you should be able to just run kwin --replace
[17:54] <nicola> this is the output from sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:58] <Black_Monkey> how do I change widget styles for kde3 apps in 8.10?
[18:00] <nicola> I've tried to kwin --replace
[18:00] <nicola> no way
[18:02] <nicola> now I'm using kde neon
[18:02] <eagles0513875> nicola are you on 4.2
[18:02] <nicola> the nightly build
[18:02] <eagles0513875> kool
[18:03] <nicola> I've upgraded to 4.2 but I can't use it
[18:03] <nicola> I've logged
[18:03] <nicola> but I can't switch between windows
[18:06] <mellhen> hello@all!  are there packages for KDE4.2 Beta2 available?
[18:07] <yurimxpxman> I just upgraded to the latest kubuntu, and the volume keys change the PCM instead of the master volume.. any ideas on how to fix this?
[18:08] <JontheEchidna> yurimxpxman: yup, upgrade to KDE 4.1.3
[18:08] <JontheEchidna> (default kubuntu install is 4.1.2
[18:08]  * JontheEchidna grabs install instructions
[18:08] <JontheEchidna> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1.3
[18:09] <yurimxpxman> JontheEchidna: cool, gonna try that now
[18:10] <yurimxpxman> JontheEchidna: actually, I just realised I'm already on 4.1.3
[18:10] <JontheEchidna> oh, really?
[18:10] <JontheEchidna> that bug was supposed to be fixed in 4.1.3...
[18:10] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[18:10] <hyper_ch> huhu
[18:10] <hyper_ch> hi JontheEchidna
[18:10] <JontheEchidna> hi
[18:10] <yurimxpxman> JontheEchidna: yeah, cause I upgraded from 8.04 with the unsupported updates enabled, I guess
[18:11] <yurimxpxman> JontheEchidna: but, yeah, still changes the PCM volume
[18:11] <JontheEchidna> hmmmmm
[18:11] <jco> hi, is anyone having problems since a few weeks with knetworkmanager on iwl wireless cards? I read on google many had problems but can't understand if/how issues have been solved
[18:11] <JontheEchidna> you could try changing the main kmix channel to front
[18:11] <jco> jco: (8.04, forgot to mention)
[18:12] <yurimxpxman> JontheEchidna: perfect! I didn't realise that option was there :-)
[18:13] <nicola> I've found the problem
[18:14] <nicola> kwin can't start
[18:14] <bazhang> nicola, what error are you getting?
[18:15] <hyper_ch> JontheEchidna: thx for providing repos for kde 4.2 :)
[18:15] <nicola> KDecorationPlugin
[18:16] <nicola> ::loadPlugin
[18:16] <JontheEchidna> hyper_ch: you're welcome
[18:16] <JontheEchidna> btw I think we should have beta2 packages ready tomorrow for Intrepid
[18:16] <hyper_ch> JontheEchidna: did you sort out the kmail / jots bug there?
[18:18] <JontheEchidna> hyper_ch: uh, dunno
[18:18] <JontheEchidna> hyper_ch: in jaunty, yes
[18:18] <JontheEchidna> the intrepid packages should pick up the fix in beta2
[18:18] <hyper_ch> JontheEchidna: you use jaunty?
[18:19] <JontheEchidna> nope
[18:19] <olskolirc> im on Intrepid....how to I change the clock to 12 hour time instead of this military time please?
[18:19] <michael__> same problem to
[18:19] <michael__> but its nice. all days are in 24 hour format.
[18:19] <michael__> easier to understand.
[18:20] <olskolirc> i hate military time
[18:20] <hyper_ch> JontheEchidna: well, kmail and jots wanted to create/write the same file so I had to force install jots
[18:20] <olskolirc> if i knew where the config file was i could change it there
[18:20] <JontheEchidna> olskolirc: Sytem Settings -> regional and language -> dates and time tab
[18:20] <olskolirc> pH:MM:SS
[18:20] <olskolirc> thanks JontheEchidna
[18:21] <nicola> Sorry, I cannot past the complete error
[18:22] <nicola> I don't know how to cut and paste from console without a mouse!
[18:25] <LjL> !info gpm | nicola
[18:25] <LjL> !info pastebinit | nicola, also, you can use this, it's handy
[18:25] <mellhen> jonth; thx
[18:27] <olskolirc> I set my clock for 1:26 est...after midnight its going to read 13:00 isn't it?  I want it to stay stuck on 12 hour time but I don't see where I can edit it as: p:H
[18:28] <blitZ> kde4 is not ready for desktop
[18:28] <blitZ> cause it is too slow...
[18:29] <olskolirc> ohhhhh i got it
[18:30] <blitZ> switch to Gnome, it's easier and nicer !
[18:30] <rickest> olskolirc: also just so you know, 13 is an hour past noon, not an hour past midnight :)
[18:30] <jussi01> blitZ: you are not being helpful, please refrain
[18:30] <olskolirc> i know rickest
[18:30] <olskolirc> i found it i put a pH: in there
[18:30] <olskolirc> now I have 12 hour time
[18:31] <mellhen> please blitZ use GNOME ;)
[18:31] <olskolirc> instead of flipping it backwards every 12 hours
[18:31] <blitZ> i use fvwm ! ;)
[18:32] <eppan> what r u doing in here then?
[18:33] <blitZ> i want to use compiz with my fvwm desktop
[18:33] <blitZ> ...
[18:34] <blitZ> so i try kde 4, but this is too slow for me
[18:34] <blitZ> then i try gnome with compiz fusion, it's more usable
[18:35] <blitZ> but this is like using a elephant to cross the desert
[18:35] <JontheEchidna> probably your graphic driver's fault. It's nice and snappy with my old nvidia geforce 4
[18:36] <blitZ> perhaps
[18:36] <blitZ> i will see...
[18:37] <bazhang> kde4 seems superb here
[18:37] <DivineSpectrum> i've gotta a ques. kde 4.2 will be in kubuntu 8.10 or 9.04?
[18:38] <Tm_T> DivineSpectrum: in both, first thru extra repository and latter has it by default
[18:38] <mellhen> JontheEchi: which driver do you use for kde4. my one sucks in comparison with compiz (fusion)
[18:39] <DivineSpectrum> Tm_T: then in january kde 4.2 will update in kubuntu
[18:39] <Tm_T> DivineSpectrum: if you use extra repository yes
[18:39] <Tm_T> like neon
[18:39] <Tm_T> !neon | DivineSpectrum
[18:40] <DivineSpectrum> wow
[18:40] <DivineSpectrum> windows suck
[18:40] <DivineSpectrum> haaahaha
[18:40] <zorael> 4.2b2 hasn't been released yet though, right? Don't see any release notes on kde.org at least
[18:40] <elwood> hi DivineSpectrum
[18:40] <Tm_T> zorael: right
[18:40] <DivineSpectrum> hi elwood
[18:41] <zorael> Tm_T: Thanks
[18:41] <DivineSpectrum> hou r u?
[18:42] <elwood> !chat
[18:43] <simone> buonasera
[18:43] <jussi01> !it | simone
[18:43] <simone> ok
[18:44] <elwood> !pl
[18:44] <elwood> great.
[18:47] <ActionParsnip> is there a room for kde4.2 support?
[18:47] <hyper_ch> this one here
[18:49] <ActionParsnip> awesome
[18:49] <ActionParsnip> ok in sight of new information...
[18:50] <ActionParsnip> I have kde4.2 nightly. My monitor powers off with screensaver and asks for a password when i wiggle the mouse. I hammer my password in and it does NOT go back to desktop. The only way is to restart the x server (ctrl + alt + backspace) and I can log in with the identical password. Has anyone seen this
[18:51] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip i would check every few hrs on those nightly things cuz seems they constantly releasing updates every few hrs
[18:51] <JontheEchidna> nightly?
[18:51] <JontheEchidna> !neon
[18:51] <ActionParsnip> yep neon
[18:51] <JontheEchidna> neon support goes in #amarok.neon
[18:51] <ActionParsnip> its kde
[18:52] <ActionParsnip> not amarok
[18:52] <hyper_ch> apachelogger also make nightly kde builds?
[18:52] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip run update upgrade and see if if finds any updates
[18:52] <Bou> amarok support neon right?
[18:52] <elwood> ActionParsnip: but same repository
[18:52] <ActionParsnip> JontheEchidna: will check it out
[18:53] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: I even removed all screensavers to see if itd help
[18:58] <ActionParsnip> gonna try setting a screensaver, see if it helps
[19:03] <kuvenom> some one rus?
[19:03] <Pici> !ru | kuvenom
[19:03] <kuvenom> thx
[19:04] <bentob0x> was there some kind of recent update on Kubuntu 8.10 that has resolved a few plasma rendering issues?
[19:04] <webas> is it possible to make konqueror as a base instead of dolphin? in 4.1>
[19:04] <JontheEchidna> bentob0x: : what kind of issues
[19:04] <bentob0x> under thunderbird for instance
[19:05] <JontheEchidna> you mean making the panel go funky?
[19:05] <bentob0x> when I was replying to an email, the clock was blinking
[19:05] <bentob0x> yea
[19:05] <JontheEchidna> the latest nvidia beta drivers should fix that
[19:05] <JontheEchidna> though I dunno if they're in Ubuntu yet
[19:05] <bentob0x> gosh, why is nvidia so bad with kde4?
[19:06] <michael__> what channel do i go to for compiling
[19:08] <bazhang> michael__, what do you need to compile
[19:08] <michael__> pidgin package
[19:08] <bazhang> michael__, that is in the repos
[19:08] <michael__> 2.52 since ubunu only has 2.4
[19:08] <bazhang> michael__, any reason other than the higher number?
[19:08] <michael__> sorry i am new to linxu andkubuntu
[19:09] <michael__> i am the type wanting the latest programs for linux
[19:09] <bazhang> michael__, the problem with compiling is that it wont be updated with your package manager
[19:09] <michael__> thats why i like it when the latest is already compiled i just install it.
[19:09] <bazhang> michael__, and the apt-get system with ubuntu (and debian) is by far the most solid (ie dont want to break it)
[19:10] <michael__> even kubuntu 8.04 don't have the latest of open office
[19:10] <michael__> only 2.4
[19:10] <bazhang> michael__, you can get the ppa for that if you must, though it is not recommended
[19:10] <michael__> i have managed to install all the debians from the open office 3 debian packages.
[19:11] <michael__> and have a fully open office 3 working with debian
[19:11] <bazhang> michael__, you are using debian?
[19:11] <michael__> no kubuntu and ubuntu is based on debian
[19:11] <michael__> meaning that you can use debian packages with ubuntu
[19:11] <bazhang> but the packaging has some significant differences
[19:11] <bazhang> michael__, err no you cant
[19:12] <michael__> ok answer this question, i have manged to install open office 3
[19:12] <michael__> from  openoffice.org
[19:12] <michael__> for debian
[19:12] <michael__> dpkg -i *.deb
[19:12] <michael__> and all installed and the icons are there to.
[19:13] <michael__> so i know somewhat about ubuntu
[19:13] <bazhang> not a good idea
[19:13] <michael__> just the trouble is finding the latest debian packages.
[19:13] <michael__> not a good idea
[19:13] <michael__> open office 3 loads without trouble.
[19:14] <bazhang> well, for one thing you have gone into unsupported ground
[19:14] <bazhang> for another, it wont be updated and may well cause conflicts
[19:14] <michael__> i used apt-get to uninstal the 2.4 office
[19:15] <GodKilla-> hey all
[19:15] <michael__> open office 2.4 don't support docx extension so i must use open office 3
[19:15] <bazhang> michael__, apart from the higher number, is there a reason to install the newer packages?
[19:15] <GodKilla-> im having problems setting up the internet on a daily image installed 2 days ago
[19:15] <GodKilla-> knetworkmanager doesnt have any use at all
[19:15] <hyper_ch> michael__: docx shouldn't be supported at all
[19:15] <michael__> yes, new features not found in previous versions.
[19:16] <michael__> docx is a microsoft office 2007 format
[19:16] <GodKilla-> using ifconfig i can set it up so i can ping myself and my gateway, but everything else returns "network unreachable" or "unknown host"
[19:16] <hyper_ch> michael__: I know what it is
[19:16] <michael__> so when i open a 1.docx in open office 2.4 it does not reconize the extention.
[19:16] <genii> We just went through this about pidgin in #kubunt-offtopic    .... the 2.5 version is in the -backports and you don't need to compile anything
[19:16] <hyper_ch> michael__: and for that reason it shouldn't be used
[19:17] <michael__> open office 3 opens those types of files without trouble.
[19:17] <michael__> well i am searching the net, because kubuntu and ubuntu, their support groups are just scattered out everywhere.
[19:17] <genii> GodKilla-: Can you ping a host at large on the internet by IP only?
[19:18] <GodKilla-> no
[19:18] <GodKilla-> ive tried with google <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:18] <michael__> so where i go to get this so called pidgin 2.5 debian package
[19:18] <bazhang> michael__, what you are attempting is neither supported nor recommended
[19:19] <michael__> unsupported it is
[19:19] <michael__> i managed to do some things that some people refuse to understand
[19:19] <michael__> is that ubuntu and kubuntu is based on the debian linux distro
[19:20] <Pici> michael__: We understand that.
[19:20] <Pici> !debian | michael__
[19:20] <michael__> if you used apt-get, the packages it download is *.deb
[19:20] <Pici> michael__: The versioning scheme that debian and ubuntu use are not compatible with each other for one.
[19:21] <michael__> so once i find the latest prebuilt debian package of whatever program i am using is all i need
[19:21] <michael__> one nice thing about debian, once you unistall that package all the files are removed.
[19:21] <genii> michael__: a .deb file could be for any system which uses the dpkg system of packaging for applications. It does not mean all .deb files can be used on all debian or debian based systems interchangeably
[19:21] <bazhang> michael__, does not sound like you are looking for support
[19:22] <michael__> i ask a simple question, quit with the extra crap and just give me the channel for whatever i am looking for.
[19:22] <michael__> this case is pidgin.
[19:22] <genii> michael__: Go to #pidgin then
[19:22] <bazhang> michael__, and as this is a support channel, you should go elsewhere
[19:37] <toby_> How do I stop KNetworkManager loading at startup? It's not in ~/.kde/Autostart
[19:37] <brad__> Hi, what is the best program to use to run a hardware diagnostic, my computer is acting screwy in a few ways
[19:38] <brad__> and is there a way to reinstall essential files/test the integrity of the install without reinstalling? (or does apt-get do that automatically?)
[19:40] <[Relic]> Anyone good with flash awake?  Wondering if the debug version would give me more info on why the flash on a certain site won't work
[19:40] <_Groo_> hi/2 all...
[19:41] <michael__> can't flash working?
[19:41] <michael__> simple if i may say, don't use the apt-get to get flash the package broken
[19:42] <lyhana> hi, i'm having problem reading a DVD, dmesg give me :
[19:42] <lyhana> [ 2564.935246] UDF-fs: No partition found (1)[ 2565.113180] ISOFS: Unable to identify CD-ROM format.[ 2574.639586] UDF-fs: No partition found (1)[ 2574.812296] ISOFS: Unable to identify CD-ROM format
[19:43] <bazhang> michael__, that is simply not true
[19:43] <bazhang> michael__, please stop saying that here.
[19:43] <michael__> i tried it bazhang
[19:43] <michael__> apt-get and it does not work
[19:44] <bazhang> michael__, I have and it works flawlessly.
[19:44] <michael__> i even used apt-get to install firefox 3.04 that is supported and installed it the correct way
[19:44] <michael__> and flash would not work whatssoever
[19:44] <michael__> so i did a manual instal, put all the plugins under firefox/plugins and works
[19:44] <_gunni_> michael__: For me flash over apt-get is working, too. So package cant be broken
[19:44] <bazhang> michael__, well considering all the third party packages you have installed then it is no surprise.
[19:45] <[Relic]> didn't workmthe first time then on the second run it did
[19:45] <michael__> i don't know why i use apt-get to install firefox 3.04 and flash doesn't want to work
[19:45] <michael__> yet the manual install works without trouble.
[19:45] <bazhang> michael__, this is why it is never a good idea to break the package management system
[19:45] <michael__> well i had to break the package management this time
[19:45] <bazhang> michael__, no.
[19:45] <michael__> because it simply refused to work
[19:46] <michael__> every computer works different
[19:46] <saki> You kids and your silly package management. Back in my day, if we wanted something to run, we had to compile it.
[19:46] <bazhang> michael__, what you are doing is neither supported nor recommended, and you have been told this on more than one occasion.
[19:46] <michael__> thank goodness i don't use this for support.
[19:46] <bazhang> michael__, indeed you dont
[19:47] <bazhang> michael__, and since this is a support channel, you should depart.
[19:47] <michael__> i tried to ask for one issue and everyone keeps giving me the run abouts!.
[19:48] <michael__> come on people, there should be one channel for kubuntu 8.04 and one for 8.10
[19:48] <michael__> to help keep the distro easy
[19:48] <bazhang> !offtopic | michael__
[19:48] <bazhang> michael__, please chat elsewhere. this is for support only.
[19:51] <alt> добрый вечер! помогите решить проблему...!
[19:51] <Pici> !ru | alt
[19:53] <[Relic]> anyway back to the original, am I just going to have to remove the package version and install from the adobe site the debug version?
[19:53] <godkilla> hey
[19:54] <godkilla> i managed to get the inet running, but the settings are not saved, do i have to make a rc script or is there another way?
[19:54] <godkilla> im using "ifconfig eth1 bla.."; "route add default gw ..";
[19:55] <Tm_T> godkilla: /etc/network/interfaces is the place for that kind of things
[19:56] <godkilla> Tm_T: and how to add the route stuff there?
[19:56] <alexei> why does my firefox 3.0 zoom images? They become jaggy, looks not good. You can probably achive the same by hitting Cntrl-+ several times.
[19:57] <Tm_T> !network
[19:57] <Tm_T> bah
[19:57] <Tm_T> godkilla: I cannot remember rightaway where's proper guides for that
[19:58] <godkilla> ok the rc script will do for now
[20:10] <ech0s7> hi
[20:10] <ech0s7> anybody that uses fglrx (catalyst) can try if works gettemperature ?  aticonfig --adapter=0 --od-gettemperature ... thanks!
[20:12] <hellsing> ech0s7 how should it work?
[20:12] <eagles05> !smbmount
[20:12] <eagles05> !info smbmount
[20:12] <eagles05> O_o
[20:12] <ech0s7> hellsing: aticonfig --help tell you
[20:13] <hellsing>  aticonfig --adapter=0 --od-gettemperature
[20:13] <hellsing> >_<
[20:13] <eagles05> !smbmount
[20:13] <hellsing> Adapter 0 - ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series
[20:13] <hellsing>             Sensor 0: Temperature - 77.00 C
[20:13] <eagles05> :( anyone know what repo smbmount is in
[20:13] <hellsing> it work
[20:13] <eagles05> hellsing watch that temp thats rather hot
[20:13] <ech0s7> hellsing: what version of fglrx you are using ?
[20:13] <ech0s7> 8.12 ?
[20:13] <ech0s7> or 8.11 ?
[20:13] <hellsing> yes
[20:14] <hellsing> 8.12
[20:14] <hellsing> ati 4850
[20:14] <Pici> eagles05: its part of the smbfs package iirc
[20:14] <eagles05> Pici ty
[20:14] <ech0s7> hellsing: can you tell me where is your libatiadlxx.so ?
[20:14] <ech0s7> $ locate libatiadlxx.so
[20:14] <ech0s7> tell you
[20:16] <hellsing> in /usr/lib
[20:16] <ech0s7> hellsing: ok
[20:16] <ech0s7> because on my machine not works
[20:16] <ech0s7> $ sudo aticonfig --adapter=0 --od-gettemperature
[20:16] <ech0s7> ERROR - Could not find library: libatiadlxx.so
[20:16] <eagles05> !smbclient
[20:16] <eagles05> !info smbclient
[20:17] <ech0s7> but this library is in /usr/lib
[20:17] <hellsing> do you reinstall the fglrx (just in case...)
[20:18] <ech0s7> done
[20:18] <ech0s7> with no result positive
[20:19] <hellsing> do you have a thermal sensor?
[20:19] <hellsing> on old card like 9800 pro there is no sensor i know
[20:20] <ech0s7> i have a hd3470
[20:20] <ech0s7> card
[20:20] <hellsing> i don't know if there is a sensor in
[20:24] <ech0s7> hellsing: i thinks yes
[20:25] <ech0s7> i would know temperature
[20:25] <hellsing> i guess so
[20:25] <ech0s7> because the fan of my pc is always on
[20:25] <ech0s7> (sony vaio sr21m)
[20:25] <ech0s7> notebook
[20:25] <hellsing> oh notebook
[20:26] <hellsing> same probleme under my notebook
[20:26] <Tm_T> !neon
[20:26] <hellsing> this f****g fan is always on top speed...
[20:28] <ech0s7> hellsing: but you have the same problem also under windows ?
[20:28] <ech0s7> have you tried ?
[20:28] <hellsing> under windows no problem on my notebook
[20:28] <hellsing> (on my desktop i don't care)
[20:28] <ech0s7> what model ?
[20:29] <hellsing> just a minute i will tell you if i can get the temperature under linux on my notebook
[20:30] <hellsing> it doesn't work
[20:30] <hellsing> but another error XD
[20:31] <hellsing> ati overdrive not supported
[20:31] <nicola> hellsing: try with "cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature"
[20:31] <hellsing> 44c
[20:31] <nicola> low
[20:32] <hellsing> (the notebook just start)
[20:32] <ech0s7> $ cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/TZ00/temperature
[20:32] <ech0s7> temperature:             38 C
[20:32] <ech0s7> and the fun is turned ON
[20:33] <ech0s7> have i to send my notebook to assistance ?
[20:33] <hellsing> i don't think so, it works
[20:33] <hellsing> under windows, does it work?
[20:34] <ech0s7> also under windows
[20:34] <ech0s7> the fan is always on
[20:34] <ech0s7> never it stop
[20:34] <seele> what folder do cameras usually automount to?  i plugged in my camera like i normally do but the open with dialog isn't popping up
[20:34] <nicola> I've the same problem with my fun
[20:34] <ech0s7> nicola: what model notebook ?
[20:35] <nicola> When did you notice the problem with the fun?
[20:35] <jussi01> seele: webcam?
[20:35] <nicola> asus
[20:35] <seele> jussi01: digital camera
[20:35] <seele> jussi01: usb
[20:35] <hellsing> seele /media/device_name
[20:35] <ech0s7> i have a sony sr21m (1,300€)
[20:35] <ech0s7> from 7 days
[20:35] <nicola> F3S
[20:35] <seele> booo.. not there
[20:35] <jussi01> seele: ahh, mine usually goes into /media
[20:35] <seele> yeah.. it didn't get mounted
[20:35] <nicola> 2 year old
[20:36] <jussi01> seele: Ive seen a few issues with peoples mass storage drives not being loaded, possibly the same.
[20:37] <DaSkreech> seele: Is it in Dolphin's side bar or the Device manager?
[20:37] <hellsing> ech0s7 it's depend : sometimes the fan is on top speed,, wifi doesn't work, and after a reboot everything is fine
[20:37] <seele> DaSkreech: no
[20:37] <DaSkreech> seele: is the /dev/devicename there ?
[20:38] <ech0s7> i have always wifi on
[20:38] <ech0s7> the wifi can be the cause that fan is always on ?
[20:38] <hellsing> no, it just under my notebook sometimes it doesn't work
[20:39] <ech0s7> ah ok
[20:39] <ech0s7> i haven't files in /proc/acpi/fan
[20:41] <hellsing> me neither
[20:42] <s0101> sony ericsson w980 problems i cant transfer music to the phone due to a bug the phone only detects the camera
[20:42] <s0101> anybody who might know about this?
[20:43] <hellsing> no
[20:44] <s0101> i tried to google but i dont manage to fix it pls help me
[20:47] <alt> привет! как попасть на русский IRC?
[20:47] <genii> !ru | alt
[20:47] <alt> спс!
[20:53] <bob_> Hi - is it possible to mount an smb share on startup?
[20:53] <blabla_> DaSkreech: i was able to recover the most important files from the disk with photorec, testdisk was unable to recover the partition table... but now i have another problem, /home/user is empty and kde crashes after logging in immediately i think because of that(what do you think) it also shows Welcome to localhost.localdomain instead of Welcome to lnetbook(the ttys show Ubuntu 8.10 lnetbook tty* but after i login and logout they also show U
[20:53] <blabla_> localhost.localdomain tty*) what can i do?
[20:53] <hellsing> yes bob
[20:54] <bob_> hellsing: mind helping?
[20:54] <hellsing> i try to find it, i already do that 2 years ago
[20:55] <leigh> i just installed kubuntu on a dell 1420...everything is working pretty good except when i open certain things they are black with some weird lines in them, and than open correctly
[20:55] <leigh> this happens with various programs (firefox, and when i just opened up konversation) and with menu's such as file, edit, ect
[20:55] <leigh> can anyone help me out?
[20:56] <DaSkreech> blabla_: You got back all your files ?
[20:56] <hellsing> bob do it with fstab
[20:56] <DaSkreech> leigh: Driver bug for compositing
[20:57] <leigh> daskreech: no way to fix this for now than?
[20:57] <DaSkreech> leigh: turn of compositing ?
[20:57] <bob_> yeah fstab - any idea on the syntax
[20:57] <DaSkreech> !fstab
[20:58] <hellsing> bob_ : //stonegiga/partage /home/hanoteau/mnt/stonegiga/partage smbfs rw,user,uid=1000,gid=1000,credentials=/etc/samba/pub.cred 0 0
[20:58] <leigh> daskreech: ok thanks
[20:58] <blabla_> DaSkreech: yes but without the correct filenames, i just needed some files an i found everyone of them
[20:58] <bob_> cool, that helps
[20:58] <hellsing> bob_  and in pub.cred :username=user
[20:58] <hellsing> password=pass
[20:59] <leigh> also what is the best way to speed up my pointer?  I change the acceleration value in the mouse settings but that seems to give me weird feedback...
[20:59] <hellsing> bob_  /etc/samba/pub.cred
[20:59] <bob_> sweet, i've got a project :)
[21:00] <hellsing> great
[21:00] <DaSkreech> leigh: You can turn it off temporarily with alt+shift+F12 to try stuff out
[21:00] <DaSkreech> blabla_: That's good
[21:01] <leigh> daskreech: yea that worked...what does compositing do?
[21:02] <DaSkreech> leigh: Pretty stuff.
[21:02] <leigh> yea i just noticed by cairo-dock has a weird block around it when it's off
[21:02] <DaSkreech> I think Cairo dock requires it
[21:03] <leigh> cairo still worked...it just didn't look as good
[21:03] <leigh> like u said...pretty stuff
[21:04] <R_Rios> Amarok 2 is not working here
[21:04] <R_Rios> I use Kubuntu Intrepid
[21:05] <blabla_> DaSkreech: can i fix kde? kdm.log shows only Errors from xkbcomp wich are not fatal...
[21:05] <R_Rios> When I run it on the terminal, I get this:
[21:05] <R_Rios> FAILURE (KCmdLineArgs):
[21:05] <R_Rios> Application requests for isSet("multipleinstances") but the "multipleinstances"option
[21:05] <R_Rios> has never been specified via addCmdLineOptions( ... )
[21:05] <R_Rios> ASSERT: "0" in file /build/buildd/kde4libs-4.1.3/kdecore/kernel/kcmdlineargs.cpp, line 1499
[21:05] <R_Rios> Cancelado
[21:05] <R_Rios> What's happening?
[21:05] <DaSkreech> R_Rios: #kubuntu-devel
[21:05] <R_Rios> Thanks
[21:05] <DaSkreech> blabla_: certainly can you pastebin ls -a ~ ?
[21:07] <DaSkreech> um ok
[21:08] <DaSkreech> blabla_: Still here?
[21:08] <blabla_> DaSkreech: ls -a ~ prints out . ..
[21:08] <DaSkreech> blabla_: ok so everything is in fact dead
[21:08] <blabla_> DaSkreech: yes
[21:08] <DaSkreech> you have your ~ mounted from somewhere ?
[21:09] <blabla_>  /dev/mmcblk0 is mounted on /home
[21:09] <DaSkreech> Alright and you can login on the terminal?
[21:12] <blabla_> yes
[21:14] <shad0w0fsin> is anyone else experiencing a problem with global keyboard shortcuts in Kubuntu 8.10?
[21:14] <blabla_> DaSkreech: yes i can
[21:18] <DaSkreech> blabla: ok if You login on the terminal and run startx what happens ?
[21:20] <blabla> DaSkreech: Fatal Server Error: Server is already running for display 0. (i can tell you x is running, but after i enter my username and password in the kde login dialog kde crashes and the login dialog appears again)
[21:21] <DaSkreech> blabla: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop && startx
[21:24] <n4mu> bonjour
[21:24] <n4mu> i have a "serious" question . ..
[21:24] <n4mu> :]
[21:24] <blabla> DaSkreech: http://paste.ubuntu.com/86550/
[21:24] <n4mu> i just updated from 8.04 to 8.10
[21:24] <n4mu> and i'm wondering...  where is kcontrol nowadays ?
[21:25] <n4mu> i'm looking for the "real" kde control panel, not the one with only a few options
[21:25] <jussi01> n4mu: its called system settings
[21:25] <DaSkreech> blabla: do you have space on /
[21:25] <n4mu> jussi01: yes, but that one only has so many options
[21:25] <blabla> there should be >1,5GB
[21:25] <DaSkreech> n4mu: No one wanted to port kcontrol to KDE4 as soon as someone does so you can have it back
[21:26] <ruhaan_jslip> i have a problem with amarok
[21:26] <n4mu> DaSkreech: thanks :]
[21:26] <ruhaan_jslip> where it changes teh name of the song
[21:26] <ruhaan_jslip> can any1 help?
[21:26] <ruhaan_jslip> this only happens with 2 albums on my coolection
[21:26] <ruhaan_jslip>  but this problem is not apparent in other players i use
[21:26] <ruhaan_jslip>  help?
[21:26] <n4mu> ruhaan_jslip: just wondering, maybe it's just an id tag problem
[21:26] <ruhaan_jslip> nope
[21:26] <DaSkreech> blabla: does there exist a /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old ?
[21:26] <ruhaan_jslip> coz it works fine in other players
[21:27] <ruhaan_jslip> like rhythmy box etc
[21:27] <blabla> DaSkreech: yes
[21:27] <DaSkreech> When was it made ?
[21:27] <n4mu> ruhaan_jslip: there are different types of id tags, and a file can have multiple formats
[21:27] <ruhaan_jslip> the file is in FLAC
[21:28] <ruhaan_jslip> but see the problem is amarok reads the name of the song correct
[21:28] <ruhaan_jslip> in the pane on the right
[21:28] <ruhaan_jslip> and even when i add it to playlist its fine
[21:28] <ruhaan_jslip> but when i play the song
[21:28] <ruhaan_jslip> the name chnages
[21:28] <ruhaan_jslip> to one partiucalr song in the whole album
[21:28] <n4mu> ruhaan_jslip: i'm just guessing since i've seen files with multiple idtags and the soft will only use one of them.
[21:29] <ruhaan_jslip> lemem show u a screenshot
[21:29] <n4mu> other than that, i don't know.
[21:29] <DaSkreech> blabla: also what does "which xinit" print ?
[21:30] <n4mu> otherwise, since there is no kcontrol, i am very very very sad.
[21:30] <n4mu> i mean kde4 is like a shock to me
[21:30] <blabla> DaSkreech: Xorg.0.log.old: 2008-12-16 and which xinit: /usr/bin/xinit
[21:31] <harolddong> I thought beta 2 was supposed to be released today
[21:31] <ruhaan_jslip> http://i43.tinypic.com/mtnsw1.png
[21:31] <DaSkreech> harolddong: delayed a day
[21:31] <n4mu> i liked kde as long as i can mangage to tone it down to something simple yet functionnal..  and now i don't see how to deactivate and customize stuff
[21:31] <Danu> Hello, sorry my english is very bad, but i'm having some trouble with kde4, really just one: the screen blink constantly, every 10 seconds
[21:31] <DaSkreech> n4mu: What do you want to deactivate ?
[21:31] <harolddong> thanks
[21:31] <n4mu> and the background, it's all weird, i just want a solid color backgroudn.. .
[21:32] <DaSkreech> Danu: alt+shift+F12
[21:32] <n4mu> lol Danu that sounds a bit like what i'm getting here too.
[21:32] <Danu> Mister DaSkreech thanks, i'll try
[21:33] <JontheEchidna> Danu: http://blog.nixternal.com/2008.10.22/kubuntu-intrepid-dual-monitor-blinking/
[21:33] <DaSkreech> n4mu: all seems doable so far
[21:33] <n4mu> DaSkreech: i have conky running ...  :]
[21:34] <DaSkreech> ;-)
[21:34] <n4mu> so either the background is "grey" like i set (but no visible conky), or is all white and shows conky
[21:34] <n4mu> depends if im right cliking or something
[21:34] <n4mu> so it's purrty ugly ... :/
[21:35] <Danu> Oh my god mi connection is horrible (128 kbps) it's very unstable :(, sure i'll be gone in seconds
[21:36] <DaSkreech> n4mu: Good call by Danu
[21:36] <n4mu> DaSkreech: ?
[21:37] <n4mu> hmm
[21:38] <DaSkreech> n4mu: How does conky handle compositing ? or does it use fake transparency ?
[21:38] <n4mu> anyway, i don't want to be "bashy" at all...  i just think that my experience here with 8.10 is just going to "force" me to either revert to 8.04, or xfce, or maybe even just debian/stable.. :]
[21:38] <n4mu> DaSkreech: good question
[21:40] <n4mu> (all this just to "maybe" be able to launch kdenlive)
[21:40] <DaSkreech> n4mu: Hmm ? whats that all about?
[21:40] <n4mu> i upgraded because i heard that was needed to run kdenlive
[21:41] <n4mu> and kdenlive was just crashing, beit the official ubuntu packages or the "other"
[21:42] <n4mu> http://www.kdenlive.org/user-manual/downloading-and-installing-kdenlive/pre-compiled-packages/ubuntu-packages
[21:43] <n4mu> ach !!  plus the update did not import kdenetworking settings, nor application shortcuts
[21:45] <neo> наконецто
[21:45] <neo> всем привет
[21:46] <genii> !ru | neo
[21:46] <neo> ok
[21:47] <gnice> Anyone willing to offer help with a dual0-head fglrx config?
[21:47] <gnice> dual-head, rather 8)
[21:48] <blabla> DaSkreech: sudo startx worked... but starx does not work, could that be that i have set the wrong permissions for some files? because i played with chmod, chown and chgrp...
[21:50] <DaSkreech> blabla: sounds likely
[21:51] <DaSkreech> can you pull out your commands that dealt with that?
[21:52] <blabla> chmod 755 -R * i think (i wanted: ./*)
[21:53] <GLGS_85> ciao
[21:53] <GLGS_85> !list
[21:55] <Daskreec1> Bah X just hung up
[21:56] <Daskreec1> Is there a way to send KDE a logout command over dbus ?
[21:56] <Daskreec1> HI Danu
[21:56] <n4mu> omg, really. ..  . the more i look into the "update" the more i regret.. ..  what happened to my old firefox2
[21:57] <Danu> Hi Mister Daskreec1
[21:57] <n4mu> there isn't even 3, must reinstall. .. : [
[21:57] <n4mu> this is all but smooth..  .
[21:57] <Danu> i still have the blink issue
[21:57] <Danu> :(
[21:57] <n4mu> and now i guess i have to reinstall the whole system to get back what i had this morning
[21:57] <Daskreec1> n4mu: Thre is a Firefox 3
[21:57] <Danu> i've been tryin' almost everything
[21:58] <hulk> list
[21:58] <Daskreec1> I think 2 is there as well but Mozilla killed it lastweek so don't expect that much longer
[21:58] <n4mu> i had 2
[21:58] <n4mu> but i guess it either was uninstalled and not "upgraded" or something
[21:58] <Daskreec1> On hardy but Mozilla killed all support for it so you would have lost it in the next update in any case
[21:59] <cuznt> i am trying to point a device to a jre i get an error message
[21:59] <n4mu> anyway, things seem so messed up..
[21:59] <n4mu> twinkle kept it's settings, that's a +1 though
[22:00] <Daskreec1> n4mu: Ah no I remember now Ubuntu did remove Firefox 2
[22:00] <Daskreec1> There was a big thing about them shipping with a beta Firefox and all
[22:01] <Bundestrojaner> hello
[22:01] <Bundestrojaner> i'm running kubuntu 8.10
[22:01] <n4mu> Daskreec1: aha.. . thanks :]
[22:01] <Bundestrojaner> is it possible to downgrade to kde 3.5?
[22:01] <Danu> Hello Mr Bundestrojaner
[22:01] <blabla> Daskreec1: chmod 755 -R * i think (i wanted: ./*)
[22:02] <Psi-Jack> Hey, how do I make the digital clock on the kpanel not be in 24 hour time, but in 12hour time?
[22:02] <Daskreec1> blabla: what dir was that done in ?
[22:02] <Bundestrojaner> is it possible to downgrade to kde 3.5 in kubuntu 8.10?
[22:03] <blabla> Daskreec1: /home/user/anything
[22:03] <Daskreec1> n4mu: Unfortunately despite all the gumbling about closed source software noone drops support faster than FOSS
[22:03] <n4mu> ah, another big +1, the sound card works alot better . .. :]]
[22:03] <Daskreec1> Bundestrojaner: Yes but not officially
[22:03] <Daskreec1> blabla: That's fine then
[22:03] <n4mu> the internal swith (headset) seems to work now
[22:03] <Bundestrojaner> Daskreec1: i know^^ how can i do this?
[22:03] <Daskreec1> Bundestrojaner: Check the ubuntu forums for KDE3 ibex PPA
[22:04] <Daskreec1> Be careful about which repos you add some people have packaged KDE3 in a way that will miss up your computer
[22:04] <Bundestrojaner> which ubuntu forums?
[22:04] <zce> how can i stop knetworkmanager from starting? i want to use only gnome's one
[22:04] <n4mu> Daskreec1: i'm just very used to debian, this is my first "real" experience with (k)ubuntu, my first "dist-upgrade"
[22:04] <Psi-Jack> Bleh, I actually hate gnome's network manager.
[22:04] <Bundestrojaner> there must be millions of ubuntu-forums on the net
[22:05] <zce> althought i love kde, i hate knetworkmanager :P
[22:05] <n4mu> whereas with debian i never had any real issues since woody, on either servers or desk/lap-tops ... (well of course the upgrades come every 10 years.. :] )
[22:05] <Psi-Jack> zce: Why? Just curious. I hate that a WIRED network connection, gnome's nm-applet constantly tells you it's connected.
[22:06] <Daskreec1> n4mu: I'll give this to Debian the long periods of testing help a lot
[22:06] <Daskreec1> !forums
[22:06] <PSiL0> Psi-Jack: 24-clock settings: Settings->International
[22:06] <PSiL0> more specifically: system systems->regional&Language
[22:07] <zce> Psi-Jack: well im on wireless mostly, and like to see all avaiable networks on the popup (and apparently it shows much more networks than knetwork).. also, gnome-nm connects automatically my cdma modem, in kde-nm i would have to configure manually (and i couldnt get it to work anyway)
[22:07] <PSiL0> !wireless bug
[22:07] <PSiL0> !wireless
[22:07] <Psi-Jack> PSiL0: Ahh, Regional & Language?
[22:07] <n4mu> Daskreec1: yeppe. .. it's always a (hard?) choice between stable (and old) or bleeding edge (or bleeding something/one)
[22:07] <PSiL0> Psi-Jack: [14:06] <PSiL0> more specifically: system systems->regional&Language
[22:07] <PSiL0> whoops, system settings
[22:08] <Daskreec1> n4mu: Welcome to consumer marketing where you bleed from the stable releases :)
[22:08] <Bundestrojaner> btw: the reason why i want to downgrade is: i have Kubuntu 8.10 on my eeepc
[22:08] <Bundestrojaner> if i play a video, it "stops" every 5 seconds for a half second
[22:08] <Daskreec1> lol
[22:08] <n4mu> Daskreec1: yah :]]
[22:08] <Bundestrojaner> if i start mplayer on blackbox, there's no problem
[22:08] <Daskreec1> Bundestrojaner: Hmm yeah check the ubuntuforums
[22:09] <Daskreec1> !forums | In case ya missed it Bundestrojaner
[22:09] <Daskreec1> n4mu: Overall it's nice but you do strongly start to feel that you should have two machines with ubuntu
[22:10] <Daskreec1> One to be stable and one to keep up since it seems like you have a month or two of being comfortable before it upgrade time again
[22:10] <Bundestrojaner> Daskreec1: are you a bot who says "check ubuntuforums"?
[22:11] <n4mu> Daskreec1: i'm going to see what i can this evening with this 8.10, because sound issues where starting to become important, and here it now works (okay, everything else is a bit broken :] ) and then i'll go back to good old debian prolly...
[22:11] <Bundestrojaner> i searched on google for the problem
[22:11] <Bundestrojaner> i found nothing
[22:11] <Bundestrojaner> that's why i ask here
[22:11] <n4mu> Bundestrojaner: maybe don't search on google, but search on ubuntuforums ?
[22:12] <Bundestrojaner> i also searched there - nothing
[22:12] <n4mu> ah.
[22:12] <Bundestrojaner> there are results about problems with flash-videos
[22:12] <Daskreec1> n4mu: ok well have a list of issues written down Likely some of the m are easily resolved
[22:12] <n4mu> then i cannot say, i just upgraded too, but i'm not even to the point of testing videos
[22:13] <Bundestrojaner> i also made a analysis of the problem:
[22:13] <Bundestrojaner> the most strange thing is, that the video player takes only 25% of cpu-power
[22:13] <n4mu> Daskreec1: okay
[22:14] <Bundestrojaner> so i have no idea what the problem is
[22:14] <Bundestrojaner> but it works with mplayer on blackbox
[22:14] <Bundestrojaner> so the problem is somewhere in kde 4.1 and it's not a too slow cpu
[22:14] <jjproctor_> POOOP
[22:15] <mozzy> hi all - installed flash 10 64bit today - very pleased so far
[22:16] <jjproctor_> I GOT TO POOOOOP
[22:16] <jjproctor_> RUNN
[22:16]  * Psi-Jack shakes his head.
[22:16] <jjproctor_> OOHH NOO SOMEONE IN THE BATHROOM!!!!!!
[22:17] <Psi-Jack> Thank gods.
[22:17] <n4mu> jpds: poop in a plastic bag.
[22:17] <n4mu> oops
[22:17] <loldude> i know right
[22:17] <jussi01> loldude: please behave!
[22:18] <Daskreec1> Bundestrojaner: why don't you just use mplayer in KDE4 ?
[22:18] <loldude> ahhh i feel better now
[22:18] <loldude> thz plastic bag dude
[22:18] <Psi-Jack> Or better yet, VLC, which is by far, better than mplayer.
[22:19] <Bundestrojaner> Bundestrojaner: i tried mplayer, kmplayer, kaffeine,...
[22:19] <Bundestrojaner> every program has the same problem
[22:19] <Bundestrojaner> that's why i think, kde4 is the problem
[22:19] <Psi-Jack> Bundestrojaner: Okay, you may've done this before.
[22:19] <Bundestrojaner> and it works on blackbox
[22:19] <Psi-Jack> Bundestrojaner: But what is the problem?
[22:20] <loldude>                                                                                poop tastes good just like kandy
[22:20] <Bundestrojaner> every 5 Seconds the Video "stops" for a half second
[22:20] <Psi-Jack> Geez.
[22:20] <Psi-Jack> loldude: GROW up
[22:20] <Bundestrojaner> it's like a empty buffer...
[22:20] <loldude> NO IT SOOOO GOOOOD
[22:21] <Psi-Jack> Bundestrojaner: Are you using KDE with composting turned on?
[22:21] <Bundestrojaner> composting? :D
[22:21] <Bundestrojaner> you mean compiz?
[22:21] <Psi-Jack> Bundestrojaner: Compiz with XRender or OpenGL, yes.
[22:21] <Psi-Jack> Aka: Composting.
[22:21] <jussi01> compositing :D
[22:22] <Bundestrojaner> Psi-Jack: i didn't change anything, i have a "normal" kubuntu 8.10 atm
[22:22] <Bundestrojaner> i installed it yesterday
[22:22] <Psi-Jack> Bundestrojaner: OKay, So do you get transparent windows, and the likes?
[22:22] <Bundestrojaner> yes
[22:22] <Psi-Jack> Bundestrojaner: Okay, then.. Go into the KStart menu, System Settings
[22:22] <Bundestrojaner> if i move a window, it get's transparent
[22:22] <Psi-Jack> Bundestrojaner: Go to Desktop
[22:23] <Bundestrojaner> k
[22:23] <Psi-Jack> Bundestrojaner: Tick off Enable desktop effects.
[22:23] <jean> tem algum brasileiro ae?
[22:23] <Psi-Jack> And run because ticking it off may not be too friendly. ;}
[22:23] <mooglinux> under kubuntu i have poorer sound quality than i did under gnome. what gives?
[22:23] <Psi-Jack> Bundestrojaner: If that solves your problem, it will be related to it, which could be your video drivers or options/extensions related to your video drivers.
[22:24] <Bundestrojaner> Psi-Jack: no change
[22:24] <jussi01> !br | jean
[22:25] <Bundestrojaner> or must i restart kde after the setting?
[22:25] <Psi-Jack> Bundestrojaner: No need to restart. What video card are you using?
[22:25] <Bundestrojaner> it's an eeePC
[22:25] <Psi-Jack> And?
[22:25] <Bundestrojaner> Intel 945
[22:25] <Psi-Jack> That doesn't tell me the vid... Okay.
[22:26] <Bundestrojaner> shall i enable the effects again?
[22:26] <Daskreec1> Bundestrojaner: tried increasing your buffer?
[22:26] <Bundestrojaner> how?
[22:26] <Bundestrojaner> and what buffer?
[22:26] <Psi-Jack> Bundestrojaner: Have you done all the latest updates since your install?
[22:26] <Bundestrojaner> yes
[22:26] <Daskreec1> !br
[22:27] <Daskreec1> video buffer
[22:27] <Bundestrojaner> how can i set this on kde?
[22:27] <Bundestrojaner> or do you mean the ram for the video card?
[22:31] <jean> meldels so novato to mais perdido que cego em tiroteio
[22:32] <Daskreec1> !br
[22:32] <Daskreec1> Bundestrojaner: There should be a setting in your video player settings I think
[22:33] <Bundestrojaner> setting for what? :(
[22:33] <qcjn> hi,
[22:33] <Bundestrojaner> i tried nearly every video output plugin
[22:33] <Psi-Jack> Bundestrojaner: Seems to be a lot of problems with Xorg support for the Intel 945, or anything past the i810. heh
[22:35] <mooglinux> after installing kubuntu my sound system is messed up. sound quality playing music with amarok (in gnome or kde) is opoor, and in gnome i cannot get any media playing application besides amarok to work
[22:35] <jean> #ubuntu-br
[22:35] <jean> aff
[22:35] <Bundestrojaner> i found it!!!
[22:35] <qcjn> Daskreec1: are you DaSkReech
[22:36] <Bundestrojaner> i stopt the "Detecting RANDR (monitor) changes" deamon
[22:36] <ActionParsnip> !sound | mooglinux
[22:36] <Daskreec1> jean: type /join #ubuntu-br
[22:36] <Daskreec1> qcjn: yes
[22:38] <jean> ok thank u
[22:40] <blabla_> Daskreec1: do you know why sudo startx works perfect and startx stops?
[22:40] <qcjn> DaSkreech: you finished by telling me "install the package compiz-kde and compiz should play nicely with KDE in the future"
[22:40] <DaSkreech> Yes
[22:40] <qcjn> but
[22:40] <DaSkreech> hi BluesKaj
[22:40] <DaSkreech> blabla_: Permissions
[22:40] <blabla_> DaSkreech: do you know why sudo startx works perfect and startx stops?
[22:41] <mooglinux> !sound
[22:41] <DaSkreech> something is messed up on your X permissions
[22:41] <ActionParsnip> blabla_ what messages do you get when you startx?
[22:41] <cuznt> !kopete
[22:41] <cuznt> !yim
[22:42] <DaSkreech> ActionParsnip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/86550/
[22:42] <DaSkreech> ActionParsnip: which xinit gives a correct result
[22:42] <holycow> what happened to kpilot in kde4? has it been renamed or replaced with a new project?
[22:42] <csc_> i would like to know where i can find a  working usplash screen after grub starts for replacing the actual "xubuntu". i tried many but they either have other "ubuntu" text logos or do not support every resolution like the default one. please help
[22:42] <DaSkreech> holycow: Being ported almost done needs testers #kpilot to apply
[22:42] <qcjn> DaSkreech: i don't think this was the problem, at first..cause there was something to install and i couldn't even type the pasword, so you suggested me to kwin --replace..if i remember well,,,then my computer crashed
[22:43] <berilio> hey guys, ive installed kubuntu-desktop im currently in ubuntu, but i cant see packages with adept, i cant find a solution... and i see firefox very guffy
[22:43] <DaSkreech> qcjn: Yes I tld you to switch out to compiz
[22:43] <DaSkreech> berilio: You have to rebuild your cache manually I think it's a known bug
[22:43] <blabla_> DaSkreech: the same as before: http://paste.ubuntu.com/86550/
[22:44] <ActionParsnip> DaSkreech: try: sudo chown <user name> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[22:44] <berilio> DaSkreech, speaking in english, what would that be...
[22:44] <DaSkreech> berilio: sudo update-apt-xapian-index
[22:44] <DaSkreech> ActionParsnip: Why should the Xor log be owned by one user?
[22:45] <holycow> DaSkreech: thank you sir
[22:45] <ActionParsnip> DaSkreech: you could make it be owned by the users group
[22:45] <berilio> DaSkreech, do i have to type that everysingle time i want to update my sources?
[22:45] <DaSkreech> ActionParsnip: Might work but that smells of wide spread breakage in any case
[22:45] <DaSkreech> berilio: No I think only when you add a new repo
[22:46] <qcjn> DaSkreech: but , compiz want working under ked desktop...ok, first i ll try to relog to kde desktop, cause now i'm under gnome
[22:46] <ActionParsnip> DaSkreech: possibly, but if the user doesnt have access...
[22:46] <qcjn> be back !
[22:46] <berilio> DaSkreech, thanks man for the help
[22:47] <ActionParsnip> DaSkreech: mines -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 14171 2008-12-16 /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[22:48] <qcjn> i'm back
[22:48] <DaSkreech> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 56325 2008-12-16 17:37 /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[22:48] <DaSkreech> qcjn: Hai!
[22:48] <DaSkreech> !compiz
[22:49] <DaSkreech> qcjn: Try that ^^^
[22:49] <qcjn> yes what ?
[22:49] <antiroach> why is kde 4.1 so terrible? :(
[22:49] <antiroach> is there a way to downgrade to 3.6. im currently using 4.1 on kubuntu 8.10
[22:50] <DaSkreech> antiroach: To make KDE 4.2 more impressive :)
[22:50] <ActionParsnip> antiroach: works fine with fluxbox instead of kwin
[22:50] <antiroach> heh ActionParsnip
[22:50] <antiroach> i didnt mind kde 3.6
[22:50] <antiroach> or whatever was standard on 7.10
[22:51] <antiroach> 4.1 is making my cpu/video card beg for mercy
 why is kde 4.1 so terrible? :(   where is my katapult??/
[22:51] <antiroach> cuznt, yes!
[22:52] <antiroach> why all the widgets and transparency stuff
[22:52] <qcjn> DaSkreech: Try what ? compiz-kde
[22:52] <antiroach> and why is there a huge gap between the maximize and close buttons
[22:52] <cuznt> i just learned hot to use katapult
[22:52] <DaSkreech> !compiz | qcjn try this
[22:53] <DaSkreech> cuznt: try krunner
[22:53] <antiroach> krunner is the replacement i guess
[22:53] <antiroach> but no hotkey to launch it. alt+space was awesome
[22:53] <DaSkreech> antiroach: Turn off compositing ?
[22:53] <DaSkreech> antiroach: you can do alt+space in 4.2
[22:53] <antiroach> DaSkreech, how can i do that ?
[22:54] <antiroach> i cant find any place where to configure the way kde 4.1 looks
[22:54] <antiroach> aside from like colors/fonts
[22:54] <antiroach> no more kcontrol?
[22:54] <DaSkreech> antiroach: alt+f3 -> Window Behaviour -> Desktop Effects -> Enable Desktop effects
[22:54] <antiroach> DaSkreech, cool thanks
[22:54] <DaSkreech> antiroach: No one wanted to port it as soon as some one does you have that back
[22:55] <DaSkreech> Getting ready to go out I'll pop over hereto look like once every 5 minutes or so
[22:55] <cuznt> !krunner
[22:56] <antiroach> cuznt, right click -> run command
[22:56] <antiroach> right click on the desktop that is
[22:56] <cuznt> oh that
[22:56] <antiroach> ya
[22:56] <ActionParsnip> antiroach: you could compile katapult
[22:56] <cuznt> i got that
[22:56] <DaSkreech> cuznt: Alt+f2
[22:56] <ActionParsnip> antiroach: kcontrol is now systemsettings
[22:56] <antiroach> katapult is the least of my problems with kde
[22:57] <cuznt> i liked katapult better is all
[22:57] <antiroach> ActionParsnip, yeah except its pretty skimpy on configuration options
[22:57] <cuznt> alt+space is closer
[22:57] <cuznt> not as far a reach...
[22:57] <cuznt> im old and arthritic ya know....
[22:58] <antiroach> is there a way to get rid of the gap between the minimize/maximize buttons and the close button?
[22:58] <DaSkreech> cuznt: You can do that easily in 4.2
[22:59] <HappySmileMan> antiroach: Yeah, in system setting program in appearance settings
[22:59] <DaSkreech>  Might be able to do it in 4.1 as well don't know if it's easy though
[22:59] <werdnum> man my KDE is so stuffed up.
[22:59] <werdnum> It doesn't know about my battery anymore, my DPI is ridiculously large, etc.
[23:00] <antiroach> HappySmileMan, do you happen to know which tab that is in ?
[23:00] <blabla_> DaSkreech: mine(Xorg.0.log) is -rw-r--r-- root root 33184 2008-12-17 ...?
[23:01] <HappySmileMan> "Windows" part I think, then there's a "buttons" tab
[23:01] <HappySmileMan> You can customise locations there
[23:02] <antiroach> HappySmileMan, nice i got it
[23:02] <Danu> the blink is still there :(
[23:03] <birnisson> hi, is there a way I can get kpdf on intrepid?
[23:03] <Danu> I've been doing almost everything :(
[23:03] <HappySmileMan> sudo apt-get remove kpdf?
[23:03] <antiroach> im assuming he wants to install it
[23:03] <antiroach> its not in the default repos
[23:04] <Danu> i turn off all the efects (i have a SiS anyway) i also did the Services thing and nothing :(
[23:04] <antiroach> how can i get rid of the 'popups' that occur when you drag your mouse over a tab in the task bar
[23:05] <antiroach> Danu, what blink ?
[23:05] <Danu> in the screen
[23:05] <antiroach> thats not very descriptive :/
[23:05] <Danu> my english is very bad, nd in the spanish channel send me here
[23:05] <Danu> and*
[23:05] <antiroach> gotcha
[23:06] <kalorin> does anyone else think that firefox 3 just feels "wrong"
[23:06] <Danu> i don't know how say it :(
[23:06] <antiroach> is it something wrong with the display?
[23:06] <kalorin> like right now I'm uploading pictures to shutterfly via their java applet thing, and it's basically locked all the instances that are firefox
[23:06] <Danu> is like what stars do
[23:06] <Danu> a blink
[23:06] <antiroach> are you talking about when you click on an application
[23:06] <Danu> and the screen suddenly go black sometimes
[23:06] <Danu> No
[23:06] <antiroach> it has a little icon by the mouse and it jumps around
[23:06] <kalorin> I can't flip between tabs, in iether window that's firefox
[23:07] <kalorin> just strange feeling
[23:07] <Danu> it's every ten seconds
[23:07] <antiroach> oh weird, that doesnt happen to me
[23:07] <kalorin> yes, they're big images but still
[23:07] <antiroach> how can i get rid of the 'popups' that occur when you drag your mouse over a tab in the task bar
[23:07] <Danu> i turn off all the efects (i have a SiS anyway) i also did the Services thing and nothing :(
[23:07] <kalorin> top says it's using 4% of a CPU and it's a dual core
[23:07] <kalorin> w/ 4 gb of ram
[23:08] <ActionParsnip> Danu: set a lower refresh rate
[23:08] <kalorin> just doesn't seem to thread right or something
[23:09] <Danu> Mr ActionParsnip how?
[23:09] <ActionParsnip> Danu: xorg.conf maybe or nvidia settings if yuo use nvidia
[23:09] <Danu> Mr. ActionParsnip i use SiS
[23:09] <Danu> :(
[23:09] <robinr> is kdebluetooth working in 8.10?
[23:09] <antiroach> is there a winamp like player for kde?
[23:10] <antiroach> thats not xmms2
[23:10] <robinr> antiroach: amarok? Not sure what winamp is like...
[23:10] <Danu> Well nice to meet you all but i gotta go, thanks anyway :)
[23:10] <ActionParsnip> Danu: then itll probably be in xorg.conf
[23:11] <antiroach> anything but amarok :(. i dont want something that looks like itunes
[23:11] <DaSkreech> blabla_: Hmm
[23:11] <antiroach> i liked xmms but its depracated
[23:12] <werdnum> antiroach: amarok rox.
[23:12] <DaSkreech> birnisson: You have kpdf it wsa renamed okular
[23:12] <youness_> #kubuntufr
[23:13] <DaSkreech> antiroach: tooltips?
[23:13] <DaSkreech> robinr: no
[23:13] <antiroach> DaSkreech, i turned that off, but apparently it isnt it
[23:13] <DaSkreech> antiroach: beep may be called bmp in the repos
[23:13] <harolddong> if you're on linux and you're not using amarok for music then you're just being a masochist
[23:13] <DaSkreech> !fr
[23:13] <geiseri> has anyone had any experience with the 945 GME and hardy?
[23:14] <antiroach> harolddong, i hate the huge screen. i hate itunes too. i want winamp heh
[23:14] <DaSkreech> antiroach: You know yo ucan fully control amarok from the systray icon ?
[23:15] <cuznt> winamp is like xmms
[23:15] <antiroach> cuznt, exactly. but xmms is deprecated
[23:15] <cuznt> o
[23:15] <cuznt> mist that
[23:15] <antiroach> and i cant find a non bloated / fast gui for xmms2
[23:15] <antiroach> DaSkreech, oh hmm
[23:15] <antiroach> is there some keyboard shortcut for "next track" ?
[23:16] <DaSkreech> Not fully before anyone jumps down my throat but winamp type stuff
[23:16] <antiroach> heh
[23:16] <DaSkreech> antiroach: superkey+B
[23:16] <cuznt> like what exactly DaSkreech?
[23:16] <cuznt> i used to have winamp
[23:16] <DaSkreech> cuznt: No xmms is like winamp
[23:16] <antiroach> DaSkreech, oh cool. but it still takes like a second to switch tracks :/
[23:17] <DaSkreech> It was made to clone winamp before AOL went nuts
[23:17] <cuznt> knew someone with a spiked llama too
[23:17] <DaSkreech> antiroach: cause you have fade on it fades one out and the other in
[23:17] <antiroach> i turned those off heh
[23:18] <DaSkreech> turn off fade and it's near instant
[23:18] <DaSkreech> antiroach: super +zxcvb
[23:18] <DaSkreech> antiroach: Sounds familar ? :)
[23:18] <antiroach> hehe
[23:18] <antiroach> ya xmms/winamp :O
[23:18] <antiroach> ok i guess i can deal with this
[23:19] <antiroach> is there a way to prevent amarok from taking up space in the taskbar ?
[23:19] <DaSkreech> antiroach: That's global too so you can hit those whenever and it works
[23:19] <antiroach> ya i noticed its global. very nice
[23:19] <DaSkreech> antiroach: close the window it will pop to the systray
[23:19] <antiroach> ah
[23:19] <antiroach> ok im liking this more and more
[23:19] <DaSkreech> antiroach: super++ and super+-
[23:19] <antiroach> whats that do ?
[23:19] <DaSkreech> try it :)
[23:20] <antiroach> its not doing anything for me
[23:20] <DaSkreech> :-(
[23:20] <DaSkreech> Boo
[23:20] <DaSkreech> Volume
[23:20] <antiroach> ah
[23:20] <DaSkreech> super+shift++ and super+shift+- is seek
[23:20] <DaSkreech> backwards and forwards
[23:20] <antiroach> + and - works now too
[23:20] <antiroach> wasnt holding it long enough heh
[23:21] <antiroach> is there a way to search with superkey
[23:21] <DaSkreech> search ?
[23:21] <antiroach> like j in winamp
[23:21] <antiroach> search for a particular track
[23:21] <DaSkreech> ah Umm I forget
[23:22] <DaSkreech> check settings -> global shirtcuts
[23:22] <DaSkreech> shortcuts :)
[23:22] <antiroach> guess not heh
[23:22] <DaSkreech> antiroach: Submit a bug!! they must add that
[23:22] <antiroach> lol
[23:22] <DaSkreech> Super+J :)
[23:22] <antiroach> yea exactly
[23:23] <DaSkreech> amarok.kde.org and submit it as a bug :)
[23:23] <antiroach> thanks for all the help DaSkreech :o
[23:23] <michael> could someone help with network pci card or not
[23:24] <antiroach> kde 4.1 is starting to look a lot better now
[23:24] <antiroach> still got a lot of work to do to get it how i like hehe
[23:25] <michael> there be a way to remove the annoying cachew from the upper right hand corner or not in kde 4.1
[23:26] <antiroach> haha michael good question!
[23:26] <antiroach> cashew lol
[23:26] <michael> i love kde 4.1 but the cachew on the upper right hand corner of the screen gotta go.
[23:27] <antiroach> ya its really dumb
[23:27] <DaSkreech> michael: Run a containment that doesn't have it
[23:27] <antiroach> uh oh how do i get the plasma panel back
[23:27] <antiroach> i removed it haha
[23:27] <DaSkreech> right click add panel
[23:27] <michael> containment???
[23:27] <antiroach> whoa wtf
[23:27] <antiroach> it contains no icons
[23:28] <antiroach> i broke kde !
[23:28] <werdnum> How silly of you.
[23:28] <michael> i did download the add widget icon it has a widget for getting rid of the cachew but don;t know to do it manually
[23:28] <antiroach> brb im gonna kill kde :/
[23:29] <michael> this is the support department someone would know something to dispose of the annoying cachew.
[23:29] <DaSkreech> michael: Why is it annoying?
[23:30] <robinr> driving you nuts? :)
[23:30] <michael> because it already on the taskbar by the koo koo clock , i don't need it on the desktop
[23:30] <DaSkreech> michael: They do different things
[23:31] <michael> you can do the same thing by going to add widgits,
[23:31] <DaSkreech> but you can't zoom activites
[23:31] <michael> and kde 3.5 don';t have it, so there anyway of removing it from the desktop.
[23:31] <michael> don't need zoom or any fancy things i just want it gone for good.
[23:31] <DaSkreech> michael: In future you can just swap your desktop for one that doens't have it
[23:32] <michael> i am not going to get involved with adding desktops and this and that, and all the detail
[23:32] <michael> there has to be one simple file you delete using sudo and it goes bye byes
[23:33] <DaSkreech> michael: The desktop :)
[23:33] <michael> i like the desktop
[23:33] <DaSkreech> michael: if you like you can update to KDE 4.2 as per the topic the option is there
[23:33] <michael> kde 4.2 desktop don't have the annoy cachew on the desktop
[23:33] <DaSkreech> It does
[23:34] <DaSkreech> but you have an option for other stuff as well
[23:34] <michael> why give me all the detail? i don't nothing about some things like linux
[23:34] <DaSkreech> In anycase I have to run
[23:34] <DaSkreech> michael: Wha?
[23:35] <michael> cachew cachew its very annoying.
[23:35] <DaSkreech> michael: You can swap out your desktops capabilites in KDE4 the default one has a cashew. Other options may not have them as people add more desktop shells you can choose one that's perfect for you
[23:35] <antiroach> how can i move the panel to the bottom of the screen ? its on top now
[23:35] <DaSkreech> Gotta run :)
[23:36] <DaSkreech> antiroach: Click the cashew and there is a black bar above the panel just drag that balck bar around
[23:36] <mellhen> i have actually 4.1.3 installed. Id dont wonne upgrade to 4.2.80 now and upgrade a few ours later to kde 4.2.* beta2, it takes  a very long time with my bandwith. Can sb tell me how long (hours?) I have to wait for the Beta2 Packages?
[23:36] <antiroach> got it
[23:36] <DaSkreech> mellhen: It will be out by this time tomorrow
[23:36] <DaSkreech> I was delayed a few hours
[23:36] <DaSkreech> it
[23:36] <michael> they need to better improve kde 4.1 before releasing as, alot of people don't like the cachew such as me
[23:36] <mellhen> so in 24H?
[23:36] <DaSkreech> I will be delayed if I don't go now
[23:37] <michael> i don't know nothing bout swaping desktops, and do a complete reinstal forget it.
[23:37] <DaSkreech> mellhen: Yes it needs to be officially announced then it will be publicized here
[23:37] <DaSkreech> mellhen: It was put up earlier today then taken back down so as to not interfere with the Official announcment It's ready just wait for a little
[23:38] <DaSkreech> michael: It's not a complete reinstall it's the same dialog box to change your wallpaper
[23:38] <mellhen> in germany its the 17th of december the shedule would be to late here (for official announcement)
[23:38] <DaSkreech>  You can change your desktop wallpaper and theme at the same place
[23:38] <DaSkreech> Bye!!!
[23:38] <DaSkreech> !bye
[23:38] <mellhen> bye
[23:38] <michael> it doesn't matter what wallpaper i use, its embedded into the desktop
[23:38] <michael> and needs to be removed.
[23:41] <mellhen> its like christmas eve here
[23:41] <mellhen> the presents are ready, but your not allowed to touch them
[23:46] <kevin__> hello all
[23:47] <kevin__> Hello all, I have a debian package downloaded to my desktop It is an install flash player..........could some one tell me what I need to do in order to install this?
[23:49] <ActionParsnip> kevin__: sudo dpkg -i ¬/Desktop/*.deb
[23:49] <ActionParsnip> oops, replace ¬ with ~
[23:50] <kevin__> I will try
[23:51] <kevin__> action parsnip
[23:51] <kevin__> it did not like t he * command
[23:52] <kevin__> says to  pipe it through less or more
[23:52] <BluesKaj> !phonon
[23:52] <kevin__> If I navigate to the desktop could I just run dpkg install
[23:52] <BluesKaj> !info phonon
[23:55] <ActionParsnip> kevin__: sudo dpkg -i ~/Desktop/*.deb
[23:56] <kevin__> Action parsnip
[23:56] <antiroach> hey how can i change the format of the clock? its 24hrs i want it to be 12 hrs
[23:58] <kevin__> sorry in the end I navigated to the desktop and used sudo dpkg -i filename. will this work ok?


[07:05] <dpm> good morning all
[07:24] <dholbach> good morning
[07:31] <hobgoblin> good day dholbach
[07:32] <dholbach> hi hobgoblin
[08:08] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:15] <philipballew> aloha as well czajkowski
[08:15] <czajkowski> philipballew: you're up late
[08:16] <philipballew> I tend to never sleep czajkowski . Well when I do, It's at the weirdest hours.
[08:16] <czajkowski> take a ticket and join the club :)
[08:16] <czajkowski> altough i'm well tired today
[08:18] <philipballew> Why would I ever want to sleep when the Internet is open 24/7 :)
[13:15] <cjohnston> mornin
[13:15] <czajkowski> cjohnston: ello
[13:15] <cjohnston> :-)
[13:15]  * cjohnston is ready to go back to bed
[13:17] <czajkowski> pah tis the weekend :)
[13:18] <cjohnston> thats why I want to go back to bed.. we have a busy weekend planned.. yesterday was my first day back on shift in a month and a half, and we were up most of the night.. it was not a nice welcome back
[13:18] <czajkowski> cjohnston: take less time off so
[13:18] <czajkowski> :)
[13:18]  * czajkowski ducks
[13:18] <cjohnston> czajkowski: I had surgery
[13:18] <cjohnston> czajkowski: taking the kids to downtown disney tomorrow
[13:19] <czajkowski> ohhh nice
[13:19] <czajkowski> I want to go back to disney
[13:19] <czajkowski> was there 2 weeks ago
[13:20] <cjohnston> heh.. we went while we were in Hong Kong.. that was pretty cool
[14:16] <jcastro> heya czajkowski
[14:16] <jcastro> so since there was no quorum I assume the CC will sort it over email and get back to me?
[14:16] <jcastro> I basically forgot to ask what the next step is
[14:17] <pleia2> jcastro: I think it's somewhat unclear whether the CC actually has jurisdiction here, since juju isn't just an Ubuntu project
[14:17] <jcastro> it isn't? that's news to me lol
[14:17] <jcastro> juju.ubuntu.com
[14:17] <pleia2> I thought it had been ported to debian too
[14:17] <jcastro> well yeah
[14:18] <pleia2> and there were plans for other distros
[14:18] <jcastro> sure, the client
[14:18] <pleia2> well if someone is just a debian juju contributor I'm not sure we can be giving them ubuntu membership under your proposed board
[14:19] <jcastro> well all the proposed people are ubuntu members, pending 2, but I only need 3 for an initial board
[14:19] <jcastro> for a total of 5
[14:20] <pleia2> but the board grants ubuntu membership, right?
[14:20] <jcastro> nope
[14:20] <pleia2> oh
[14:20] <pleia2> I thought that's why you were coming to the CC :)
[14:20] <pleia2> most teams in Ubuntu just define their own leadership structure, you don't need the CC for that
[14:21] <jcastro> well I figured it would be wise to tell the CC that there's a new board that reports to them
[14:21] <jcastro> for the 0 times I expect we'll ever ever have a charm policy dispute.
[14:21] <pleia2> ok, I don't think there is much to discuss then, aside from "thanks for informing us, carry on!" :)
[14:22] <jcastro> yeah I saw no need for such a small thing to need to care/have membership granting powers
[14:23] <pleia2> yeah, that can easily be handled by the membership boards
[14:24] <czajkowski> jcastro: yes the CC will get back to you either way
[14:24] <pleia2> czajkowski: "either way" for what?
[14:24] <jcastro> also does the CC give out ponies?
[14:24] <jcastro> might as well ask
[14:24] <czajkowski> but the meeting finished last niught and I went out to the office to meet people and working now so later on will send mail
[14:24] <paultag> pleia2: I hear you're in Maine :)
[14:24] <czajkowski> pleia2: well rather than leave people hanging
[14:24] <pleia2> paultag: yep!
[14:24] <czajkowski> it's nice to get back to them
[14:24] <paultag> and by I hear, I mean, I saw it on your facebook wall
[14:24] <czajkowski> as we didnt have enough people turning up
[14:24] <jcastro> I'm in no rush, the juju board is basically the same people in ~charmers so we're not blocking on anything
[14:24] <cjohnston> we had something last night where the candidate seemed more appropriate to be applying to the DMB, but the DMB referred him to the regular MB... which was really odd.. someone who has done alot of charm work
[14:24] <pleia2> czajkowski: hanging as far as what? I'm confused as to the discussion...
[14:25] <paultag> pleia2: if you end up near Boston this weekend (or week), let me know (although I'm sure you're going in and out from NH)
[14:25] <pleia2> paultag: I'm just in town for a few days to see my new nephew, no time for side trips :\
[14:25] <paultag> pleia2: figured, no worries :)
[14:26] <czajkowski> pleia2: I'll post the notes later on from the meeting, currently working sorry.
[14:26] <pleia2> czajkowski: I read the logs
[14:26] <pleia2> sounds like they're just another team creating a leadership structure, teams don't need permission from us unless they're asking to grant ubuntu membership
[14:27] <jcastro> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12080436
[14:27] <jcastro> heh
[14:28] <jcastro> pleia2: yeah the reason I put it on the agenda is I didn't want to be like "oh hey CC we need to escalate something" and you all are like "who are you?"
[14:28]  * pleia2 nods
[14:28] <jcastro> "We are the juju witch doctors"
[14:28] <jcastro> ohhh, that's a catchy name, I am saving that for something
[14:28] <pleia2> haha
[14:29] <nigelb> lol
[15:00] <jcastro> we on?
[15:00] <jono> dholbach, jcastro, dpm, mhall119, balloons all set?
[15:00] <jono> dholbach, jcastro, dpm, mhall119, balloons https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/aad9745e894e49a5ecaa9825a764baae6dc22372?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[15:04] <dholbach> bah, Google doesn't let me
[15:04] <dholbach> let me try again
[15:06] <jono> balloons, you coming along?
[15:11] <czajkowski> http://blog.launchpad.net/were-hiring/were-hiring-software-engineers-to-work-on-cloud-projects-in-canonical  if anyone knows people who are looking for work
[15:21] <nigelb> czajkowski: I think "using a major object or oriented application framework" should read "object oriented application framework"
[15:22] <czajkowski> cant change the job spec thats the one on the canonical site which was submitted by boss and his boss
[15:23] <nigelb> well, it reads wrong to me. I don't know if it's actually wrong.
[15:36] <AlanBell> it is wrong, but meh
[15:36] <AlanBell> nobody actually applying for the job would fail to do so based on a badly written spec (neither would they complain to the hiring manager about the error unless totally daft)
[15:37] <czajkowski> AlanBell: well that's also rather true :)
[16:22] <czajkowski> SergioMeneses: plus you can practice speaking english to us in here any time I promise :)
[16:23] <czajkowski> I was saying to SergioMeneses just because people don't speak English fluently it's not a reason to not come to uds
[16:23] <czajkowski> people of all levels of speaking english attend
[16:23] <SergioMeneses> czajkowski, jajaja sure why not
[16:31] <dholbach> alright, I'll call it a day my friends
[16:31] <dholbach> have a great WE
[16:32] <dholbach> I have to go run and buy stuff for a barbecue
[16:32] <dholbach> as I'll have friends coming over in a bit
[17:23] <jcastro> jono: http://www.billboard.com/news/def-leppard-recording-forgeries-of-old-hits-1007484752.story#/news/def-leppard-recording-forgeries-of-old-hits-1007484752.story
[17:24] <jono> thjanks jcastro
[17:24] <jcastro> http://www.noisecreep.com/2012/06/04/def-leppard-pour-some-sugar-on-me-2012/
[17:24] <jcastro> has 2 songs inlined ^^^
[17:29] <jcastro> at the risk of getting made fun of...
[17:29] <jcastro> def leppard does rock pretty hard
[17:30] <paultag> jcastro: try some wildcat - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF_3bPipN8Q
[17:30] <paultag> (or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iexoDhvwGbo)
[20:38] <IdleOne> Did you people know that cyphermox is awesome?
[20:38]  * IdleOne thanks cyphermox for all the great work he does :)
[20:40] <jono> imbrandon, around?
[20:41] <cyphermox> IdleOne: moo?
[20:41] <IdleOne> COW
[20:41] <cyphermox> copy-on-write what?
[20:41] <IdleOne> stop doing that, hurts my brain
[20:41] <IdleOne> :P
[20:41] <jono> we all know cyphermox is awesome :-)
[20:41] <IdleOne> jono: here i thought I discovered something :/
[20:42] <jono> lol
[20:44] <IdleOne> Star Trek time
[22:00] <bkerensa> jcastro: http://techcrunch.com/2012/07/06/so-thats-it-for-thunderbird/
[22:00] <bkerensa> and now its public
[22:30] <imbrandon> jono: pong
[22:34] <JanC> AlanBell: OTOH, if you find 2 more or less similar job descriptions, and one of them isn't written in proper English, which one will you pursue more actively?   ;)


[02:54] <bobweaver> Hello everyone
[02:54] <bobweaver> jhodapp,  did you see that I was able to port to NUX 3.0 and Unity 6 ?
[02:54] <bobweaver> it works like a fart in church
[02:56] <bobweaver> who ever invented NUX must must must be a game developer as this code is so much like a game dev
[02:58] <bobweaver> but for real this is going to be real real flippin hard
[02:59] <bobweaver> there is a million lesss options
[12:30] <jhodapp> bobweaver: nice work man, if you have things that are missing please let me know...I can forward it on to the Nux guys
[12:31] <bobweaver> Oh it is so so so unstable I can only get the background to show up and the indicators
[12:31] <bobweaver> maybe a week or too
[12:31] <bobweaver> I am thinking about trying to port all the qml work that that is to xbmc or myth bunut
[12:32] <bobweaver> let me work on it for like 4 more days and I will push
[12:33] <bobweaver> I see that you can use qml to design skins on mythbuntu
[12:34] <jhodapp> cool, it'll be good to have you pounding on Nux a bit...I've been writing a test app to get familiar with Nux and also pound on it and provide the devs feedback
[12:35] <bobweaver> it is a sharp learning curve so far
[12:36] <bobweaver> like a month to get a simple hello world going with button
[12:37] <jhodapp> bobweaver: it took me a day to get a helloworld app written
[12:42] <bobweaver> Here is the thing I am not sure where this is all going in order to run this (virtual I am ) I had to butcher unity
[12:46] <bobweaver> so what I did was kinda just checkout unity and nux  then start ripping down canvas and then started painting
[12:47] <bobweaver> I am going to get back to it now
[12:47] <bobweaver> Learned alot going to try from the start and learn from last time ;)
[12:51] <bobweaver> so what I am trying to say is that it would kill Unity
[12:51] <jhodapp> Nux will?
[12:52] <bobweaver> no the whole design used nux and what not just like unity2d
[12:52] <bobweaver> the dah in unity3d
[12:52] <bobweaver> sorry
[12:52] <bobweaver> dash *
[12:53] <bobweaver> what I did was kill the whole Unity 3d desktop and start building one for scratch well kinda
[12:53] <bobweaver> using code that was there
[12:53] <bobweaver> trying to make it so that there is no qml code
[12:53] <bobweaver> that is the thing that the team is doing correct ?
[12:54] <bobweaver> nux is just like buttons and and plugin libs
[12:54] <bobweaver> kinda ^^
[12:55] <jhodapp> yes basically
[12:55] <bobweaver> so the real question is how to make a declaritive state that is like the formfactor ?
[12:55] <bobweaver> above my pay grade ;)
[12:55] <jhodapp> Nux is a higher level abstraction on top of OpenGL
[12:55] <bobweaver> yup
[12:55] <bobweaver> hard to explain
[12:55] <bobweaver> so this is what I am doing please tell me if this is wrong lol
[12:56] <bobweaver> one get nux 3 and unity6  rip apart unity 3d and nux to get the Unity 3d to look like the qml and also act like the qml that is the old work
[12:58] <bobweaver> like in unity6/dash/something just do like
[12:58] <bobweaver> nux::View::PostDraw(GfxContext, force_draw);
[12:58] <jhodapp> bobweaver: I don't understand the ripping unity3d apart
[12:58] <bobweaver> changing the over all painting that is going on in Unity6
[12:59] <bobweaver> like how nux paints all the stuff
[12:59] <bobweaver> but this means that Unity is now only Ubuntu tv
[13:00] <jhodapp> no, this effort is across the board
[13:04] <bobweaver> what does that mean ""across the board " sorry
[13:04] <jhodapp> Ubuntu desktop, TV and any other things using Unity
[13:04] <bobweaver> So What I am doing will not work ?
[13:05] <jhodapp> not sure because I don't understand exactly what you're doing
[13:06] <bobweaver> so I am taking Unity 3d and making it look like Ubuntu tv
[13:06] <bobweaver> but it is killing Unity
[13:06] <jhodapp> why are you doing that exactly?
[13:06] <bobweaver> I am sure that there is a work around about this but I am not sure how this would work. Like is ubuntu tv standalone ?
[13:06] <bobweaver> re-writing Unity 3d
[13:07] <bobweaver> to look like Ubuntu tv
[13:07] <bobweaver> and act that is
[13:07] <jhodapp> ubuntu tv will be standalone, but it will share the same unity code as the desktop
[13:08] <bobweaver> but painting over it is all right ?
[13:08] <bobweaver> still using the framework but just changing the design
[13:09] <bobweaver> Kinda like a new desktop manager that is unity just painted different
[13:09] <bobweaver> up keep might be hard thou
[13:15] <jhodapp> bobweaver: yes, basically
[14:18] <tgm4883> jhodapp, does it really need to be standalone? Can't it be extra packages that can be added to a ubuntu desktop?
[14:18] <jhodapp> yes, when I say standalone I mean executables
[14:24] <tgm4883> ok
[20:05] <tgm4883> Saviq, any updates for the weekly updates blog?


[00:27] <thumper> birthday?
[02:59] <ibeardslee> yay for beer o'clock dist upgrade to beta releases
[03:00]  * ajmitch likes the sound of the beer o'clock part of it
[04:08] <ibeardslee> wish me luck
[04:50] <ibeardslee> that seems to be all nice
[05:03] <ajmitch> nothing broke so far?
[05:04] <ibeardslee> had it uninstall and install firefox to get the search engines back
[05:07] <ibeardslee> less config options in the 'control centre'
[05:12] <ibeardslee> and with that success /me wanders away until he has to be back in the office tomorrow
[05:12] <ajmitch> tomorrow?
[07:32] <ajmitch> interesting, nz2.a.u.c seems a whole lot faster than nz.a.u.c from snap
[07:32]  * ajmitch checked, the citylink mirror is the one on WIX, not the one in the US