[00:01] <johnnee> check
[00:09] <ice__> oi
[00:09] <ice__> oi
[00:09] <ice__> ed
[00:09] <ice1> io
[00:10] <arraybolt3> ice1, ice__: #test
[00:38] <eferneng> Hey guys, I just started using Ubuntu moving from Windows and I liked so far. However there is one issue, unlike windows the CAPS LOCK button doesn't affect the numbers row so if I want to type a number I have to press shift. Is there anyway I can change this behavior. My keboard is AZERTY and the layout is French by the way.
[00:39] <ice1> BAGUVIX
[00:40] <ice1> HEZOYAM
[00:41] <ice2> oi
[00:41] <ice2> #include <stdio.h>
[00:41] <ice2> int impar(int x)
[00:41] <ice2> {
[00:41] <ice2>     int i;
[00:41] <ice2>     for(i=0;i<=x;i++){
[00:41] <ice2>
[00:47] <ravage> eferneng, my guess it that you want one of these options in "Tweaks" https://i.imgur.com/zCdmxP2.png
[00:47] <ravage> related to shift lock
[00:51] <eferneng> ravage This might be exactly what I am looking for! How can I install this "Tweaks"?
[00:51] <ravage> it comes with Ubuntu 22.04
[00:52] <ravage> i may be wrong. in that case do "sudo apt install gnome-tweaks"
[00:56] <eferneng> ravage Yeah, I had to install it. And dude, thank you so much it worked!
[00:56] <ravage> great. you are welcome :)
[01:25] <lilh4x0r> hhhh
[01:53] <jhutchins> ravage: Wow, good shot.
[01:53] <jhutchins> I blew a job interview because they asked me to use a computer that was set to have a Hungarian keyboard.
[02:13] <johnnee> hungray rox
[02:13] <johnnee> hopefully brazil gets it right
[02:14] <johnnee> good nite folks, pray people get it right and god prevails. thanks.
[02:16] <rogstrix> https://termbin.com/m1bn
[02:16] <rogstrix> I can't create a .desktop file for a shell script
[02:16] <rogstrix> it launches a gui window
[02:17] <rogstrix> well it doesn't, but it's supposed to
[02:30] <tomreyn> rogstrix: please don't cross-post (#linux), or when you do, state so.
[02:30] <rogstrix> sorry
[02:48] <_enigma9o7_> Terminal=true
[03:02] <vipminske> What command sshows which IP you're on?
[03:03] <vipminske>
[03:03] <vipminske> What command sshows which IP you're on?
[03:04] <vipminske> iiiiipconfig doesn't work.
[03:04] <vipminske> ipconfig doewsn't work.
[03:08] <Bashing-om> vipminske: One such ' ip a ' .
[03:13] <vipminske> Bashing-on, I didn't understand.
[03:16] <Bashing-om> vipminske: Terminal command ' ip a ' to show some of the aspects of the link, What do you need to find out ?
[03:19] <vipminske> I need to find out what ping will show me byes of data.
[03:19] <vipminske> I noticed it depends on which WiFi network I'm on.
[03:19] <Bashing-om> vipminske: like ' ip -s link ' ?
[03:21] <vipminske> With my cat 5 connection ping <IP_ADDRESS> shows it.
[03:22] <vipminske> I noticed that with the  .ricket Wifi, I got it with ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:22] <Bashing-om> vipminske: <IP_ADDRESS> is your router.
[03:22] <rogstrix> How do I install Node v16.14.2 on Ubuntu (crossposted to #ubuntu and #linux)
[03:24] <vipminske> My TV cable moden is <IP_ADDRESS> .
[03:26] <vipminske> With my Cricket Mobile Wifi (MIFI) it seems to be <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:27] <vipminske> That is, ping <IP_ADDRESS> gives me the bytes of data.
[03:31] <caiofelipessanto> wth is this??
[03:33] <vipminske> I guess it's the IP that the system seeks.
[03:40] <vipminske> Hello diamondbond
[03:42] <diamondbond> hey vipminske :)
[03:42] <diamondbond> how are you doing?
[06:01] <Macwinner> hi, what's the proper way to get postfix 3.6.x installed on Ubuntu 20.04?  Focal has postfix 3.4 by default.  Jammy has 3.6.  We can't upgrade to jammy because mongodb doesn't support it yet.
[06:01] <Macwinner> we are a little new to ubuntu.. just wanted to see if there is a official/semi-official way of doing this with pre-built packages rather than compiling from source
[06:39] <gebbione> hi folks, i just tried updating terraform on my ubuntu. I had an older version at /usr/local/bin/terraform . I installed the latest version with APT and it sits at /usr/bin/terraform but now if i type terraform i get `bash: /usr/local/bin/terraform: No such file or directory` . Creating a symlink does not sound right
[06:39] <gebbione> any idea where this error might be coming from?
[06:39] <gebbione> my bashrc files does not seem to have anything specific for terraform
[06:41] <WoodenIdol1> does the file actually exist in file explorer
[06:42] <gebbione> i removed it
[06:50] <matsaman> gebbione: there was a file at /usr/local/bin/ and you removed it?
[06:54] <gebbione> yes, when installing terraform manually it is downloaded and placed under that location
[06:54] <gebbione> not there is an APT so i just wanted to removed the one installed manually
[06:58] <gebbione> sed /not/now/
[07:08] <gebbione> any ideas?
[07:11] <murmel> gebbione: do you maybe happen to have an alias or the likes
[07:11] <gebbione> i checked bashrc
[07:12] <gebbione> i m going to double check around
[07:22] <dob1> when you have more than one monitor and you boot the system you have the login window on all the monitors or just one?  I was sure on all the monitor but when I boot today the system it is just on one monitor, maybe I am wrong
[07:23] <murmel> dob1: which flavor?
[07:24] <dob1> murmel: what you mean?
[07:24] <dob1> what I prefer?
[07:24] <murmel> dob1: are you on ubuntu proper or some kind of "spin"
[07:24] <murmel> as in kubuntu for example
[07:24] <dob1> ubuntu
[07:24] <murmel> kk
[07:24] <murmel> then it should only ever be on 1 screen
[07:24] <dob1> ah just one, ok then so I was wrong
[07:25] <oerheks> on the primairy screen only, indeed
[07:25] <dob1> ok thanks
[07:28] <gebbione> and it might not be on the one you expect it :)
[07:31] <murmel> gebbione: oO?
[07:31] <gebbione> murmel, i have other weird problems with double screen setup, one of them is where the log in is shown, sometimes goes to the other screen
[07:32] <oerheks> it might track focus of your mouse
[07:32] <oerheks> not weird at all
[07:33] <murmel> gebbione: it really depends on which dm you are using, sddm (used by kde for example) tracks where the mouse is
[07:33] <murmel> but it can also show on all at the same time
[07:34] <gebbione> it is definitely weird when i tries to recover from screen sleep
[07:34] <gebbione> ie it is a broken view where the login field is on the top left of the screen in a broken UI
[07:36] <WoodenIdol2> i need to access an article behind a paywall, seeking advice, its a doi.org article
[07:36] <WoodenIdol2> ive tried sci hub, libgen and zlib
[07:38] <oerheks> WoodenIdol2, we do not help with that.
[07:38] <oerheks> pay for it.
[07:38] <WoodenIdol2> someone here might now\
[07:38] <WoodenIdol2> know
[07:38] <WoodenIdol2> how to access the article
[07:38] <murmel> very wrong channel
[07:39] <WoodenIdol2> im using ubuntu so its relevant
[07:39] <oerheks> !ot | WoodenIdol2
[07:39] <oerheks> no
[07:39] <gebbione> ahhahaha
[07:39] <gebbione> you need to try kali for that
[07:39] <WoodenIdol2> omg just, try to help me instead of being rule nazis
[07:39] <murmel> lol, hey, I am using ubuntu, so tell me where to get this thing for free. _sure_
[07:40] <oerheks> time to go, WoodenIdol2
[07:40] <gebbione> why having him go, sounds like fun
[07:44] <WoodenIdol2> I'm using Ubuntu so send me free things!
[07:44] <WoodenIdol2> =)
[07:46] <oerheks> lets get back to ubuntu support, thanks.
[08:01] <matsaman> gebbione: oh you used some horrible binary upstream installer? First mistake
[08:01] <matsaman> you know it's wrong because it's using /usr/local/
[08:01] <matsaman> horrible binary upstream trash belongs in /opt/, but only if you're foolish enough to run it in the first place
[08:02] <gebbione> no it was just a manual installation, anything i install manually goes there
[08:02] <gebbione> else terraform installs correctly
[08:02] <gebbione> https://developer.hashicorp.com/terraform/cli/install/apt
[08:02] <gebbione> the problem was that some cache/config files are centralised and i think they still point to the old installation until the new binary is run
[08:02] <gebbione> now the error is gone
[08:04] <murmel> matsaman: idk, but a single binary is perfectly fine in /usr/local, and not /opt
[08:06] <matsaman> anything is perfectly fine in /usr/local/, if _you put it there personally_
[08:06] <matsaman> although with most single user systems, somewhere in ~/ is more sensible
[08:40] <slvn> join #SDL
[09:49] <jan_> Hallo
[09:54] <kerfluffy> hi
[09:54] <kerfluffy> i'm having issues installing python3-pip
[09:54] <kerfluffy> i keep getting the error: python3-pip : Depends: python-pip-whl (= 20.0.2-5ubuntu1.5) but 20.0.2-5ubuntu1.6 is to be installed
[09:55] <kerfluffy> i'm on 20.04
[09:55] <kerfluffy> anyone know how to make it depend on 1.6 instead of 1.5?
[09:56] <geirha> you have refereshed the package lists by running   sudo apt update   ?
[09:56] <kerfluffy> yep
[09:57] <geirha> apt policy python3-pip python3-pip-whl   shows them coming from the same repo?
[09:58] <kerfluffy> hmm
[09:59] <kerfluffy> python-pip-whl and python3-pip yes
[09:59] <kerfluffy> python-pip-whl:
[09:59] <kerfluffy>   Installed: 20.0.2-5ubuntu1.6
[09:59] <kerfluffy>   Candidate: 20.0.2-5ubuntu1.6
[09:59] <kerfluffy> both coming from http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal/universe amd64 Packages
[10:02] <geirha> ok, in 22.04 it's named python3-pip-whl, but I checked a 20.04 box now and I see 1.5 and 1.6 entries for both python3-pip and python-pip-whl. Are trying to explicitly install the older 1.5 ones?
[10:02] <kerfluffy> i'm just trying to install python3-pip
[10:03] <kerfluffy> it seems to depend on 1.5
[10:03] <kerfluffy> but i've got 1.6 installed. not sure if it's a good idea to downgrade python-pip-whl
[10:03] <geirha> Hm. Weird.  apt depends python3-pip   says it depends on the 1.6 version of python-pip-whl here
[10:04] <kerfluffy> hmm mine says 'Depends: python-pip-whl (= 20.0.2-5ubuntu1.5)'
[10:06] <geirha> the apt policy from before. Does it inlcude the 1.6 version of python3-pip too?
[10:07] <kerfluffy> geirha this is what i get: https://dpaste.org/jfrxA
[10:08] <geirha> so it looks like the au mirror is lagging behind. It has the newest version of python-pip-whl, but not of python3-pip
[10:09] <kerfluffy> looks like it
[10:10] <geirha> you could try downgrading python-pip-whl with   apt install python-pip-whl=20.0.2-5ubuntu1.5
[10:12] <geirha> and then once the au mirror gets the 1.6 versions of both, an apt upgrade should upgrade both
[10:14] <geirha> or wait ... the 1.6 should be coming from security.ubuntu.com which is not a mirror. So that's really odd
[10:23] <ravage> works on a fresh 20.04 container: https://p.haxxors.com/yymjcyua.txt
[10:25] <ravage> sources.list : https://p.haxxors.com/7fkncxyw.txt
[10:28] <kerfluffy> should i remove the au mirrors?
[10:28] <ravage> you can try to backup your sources file and try mine
[10:29] <ravage> maybe you are just missing something
[10:29] <ravage> like focal-updates for example
[10:29] <kerfluffy> yeah
[10:30] <alkisg> Eeeh did I understand correctly that snap forces apps to save files in ~/snap/xx? So if I want to use normal firefox I use ~/.mozilla, if I switch to snap I use ~/snap/firefox, and if I use flatpak or next-years-store I'll use ~/next-years-store?!?!
[10:30] <ravage> all user data for snaps are in ~/snap
[10:32] <alkisg> But then our data and paths are specific to the packaging...!
[10:33] <alkisg> We'd need to redo everything by just changing to a different packaging system or distribution or whatever :/
[10:43] <Guest60>     SCRIPT_DIR=$(cd `dirname $0` && pwd)  SyntaxError: invalid syntax
[10:44] <Guest60> https://o3debinaries.org/download/linux.html
[10:45] <Guest60> any multiplayer 3d game engine that comes with easy installation and easy configuration?
[10:45] <clarkk> I'm on ubuntu 20.04. After installing the latest updates, that I had put off for a week or two, video in my browsers stops working after a short time. If it stops in firefox, I try it in chrome and it also won't load videos. I can just see a spinner in the video window but it never starts. Can someone advise, please?
[10:46] <zaggynl> Guest60: no direct experience but uh, unity?
[10:46] <clarkk> Now firefox will load the first frame, but won't play the video. If I jump to another point in the video, it shows that frame but doesn't play
[10:46] <lotuspsychje> Guest60: are you trying that on xorg or wayland?
[10:46] <Guest60> I am running ubuntu 22.04 with openbox on xord
[10:46] <Guest60> xorg
[10:47] <clarkk> One remedy that I've seen online is to install ffmpeg, but I've always had that installed.
[10:48] <sarnold> Guest60: why do the cd `..` and so on? just use dirname directly
[10:49] <Guest60> it's written in o3de script
[10:49] <clarkk> I already have ubuntu-restricted-extras installed
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> clarkk: check your /var/log/dpkg logs to see wich updates could have borked it
[10:56] <alkisg> Using snap firefox, trying to save a web page in /tmp; sometimes it works sometimes it fails; then trying to open the same page gets me to file:///run/user/1001/doc/29348793/test.html. So I guess enforced sandboxing will destroy many development workflows that need to ping-pong some files and dirs between many applications.
[10:56] <alkisg> Is there a way to use snaps without sandboxing?
[10:56] <sarnold> alkisg: some 'classic' snaps can bypass sandboxing, but they have to sign up for it
[10:57] <alkisg> Not a user choice then... thank you sarnold , I guess I'll stick to my existing workflows for as long as I can then :)
[10:57] <Piraty> alkisg: grab the upstream mozilla release , drop in $HOME/app/firefox , put that into PATH . done . no more snap pain
[10:58] <alkisg> Piraty: I'm using the mozilla ppa, I don't have snap installed; I was testing if it would be possible to "go with the flow", but I really can't
[10:58] <Piraty> i mean https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/download/
[10:58] <Piraty> ppa suck
[10:59] <oerheks> that ppa would give updates, Piraty, just that download does not.
[11:00] <oerheks> so, https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/download/ is not helpfull
[11:00] <Piraty> oerheks: firefox has self-update feature
[11:00] <Piraty> that runs more often than you do `apt upgrade` i bet
[11:00] <alkisg> Fortunately https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa is maintained by ubuntu devs, as long as they keep it around I'll prefer it, although I did switch my main browser to google-chrome in the summer...
[11:03] <oerheks> alkisg, for the snap, in settings>applications > firefox it gives ' systemfiles: allow access.."
[11:05] <sarnold> Piraty: unattended-upgrade runs daily
[11:05] <alkisg> oerheks: it's already enabled by default, but it's still not using the files directly, it's moving them around in temp dirs, making them useless for development
[11:05] <sarnold> alkisg: you can do some bind mount games .. it's not great
[11:06] <alkisg> So a web developer would have to move all their ~/development/html tree under ~/snap/firefox to work with firefox, and then move it to ~/snap/chromium-browser the test there...
[11:06]  * alkisg stops the subject to avoid spamming the channel and goes to his corner to cry in silence :/
[11:08] <sarnold> or if you connect the right snap interfaces you should be able to do anything anywhere, try connecting the home interface or something like that
[11:08] <sarnold> check the settings page? this is kind of old but hopefully still relevant https://ubuntu.com/blog/a-guide-to-snap-permissions-and-interfaces
[11:09] <alkisg> Thank you sarnold , will give that a go
[11:09] <lacrymology> after the latest kernel upgrade, my computer doesn't seem to recognize the video card or network adapters. I have to boot on the previous kernel for things to work.
[11:10] <Lynx-> Can I install xfce on Ubuntu but not make it default? I just want to install it to use via X2GO.
[11:10] <lacrymology> when it boots, it's stuck in very low resolution
[11:11] <lacrymology> and there's no network, of course
[11:12] <clarkk> I found a workaround for my video stopping working in all browsers. I switched my bluetooth headset off and on again
[11:12] <clarkk> thanks for the reply lotuspsychje
[11:23] <Guest60> is linux generally stuck in random video/office/calculator software stage?
[11:23] <Lartza> What?
[11:24] <Guest60> I don't find solution to modify any multiplayer 3d game
[11:24] <Guest60> not even the ones that would suck
[11:24] <Guest60> is 3d sp
[11:25] <Guest60> sphere is copyrighted by microsoft and somebody sold rights to stuff like that
[11:27] <Lartza> modify? What are you talking about
[11:42] <Guest60> i think You can't read or You generally think toys
[11:44] <Lartza> No I just think your english is a bit broken
[11:44] <Lartza> Nothing wrong with that I just don't really understand what you mean
[11:45] <Guest60> Your mind is broken
[11:46] <Guest60> You modify program code
[11:46] <Guest60> logic
[11:46] <ravage> !ot | Guest60
[11:48] <Guest60> ravage I'm asking for support for ubuntu, what else is there in my questions
[11:49] <Lartza> Well that's the issue, kind of nothing
[11:49] <Lartza> Are you trying to cheat in multiplayer games? Or what do you mean by modify
[11:49] <Lartza> What does sphere have to do with anything
[11:50] <Lartza> What do you mean stuck in "random video/office/calculator software stage"?
[11:50] <ravage> programming multiplayer 3d game is not an ubuntu support issue. and copyright issues are no support issue
[11:50] <Guest60> why do You need to program a basic 3d game in 2022
[11:50] <Guest60> ask Yourself
[11:50] <ravage> so if you have an actual ubuntu support question ask. if not: see above
[11:50] <Guest60> this
[11:51] <Guest60> that is actual question as I guess ubuntu supposed to be opensource platform with all capabilities
[11:51] <Lartza> And it is
[11:51] <Guest60> it is clearly not if I and nobody else can do this thing I
[11:51] <Guest60> 'm searching for
[11:51] <Lartza> Make games?
[11:52] <ravage> Lartza, dont feed the troll
[11:52] <Guest60> that is very wide term but technically
[11:52] <Guest60> there is only one way of 3d game
[11:53] <Guest60> so far none of the things I tried to make a legit multiplayer template
[11:53] <Guest60> godot, javascript nothing
[11:53] <Guest60> lugar c++
[11:53] <Guest60> lugaru]
[11:53] <Guest60> it's cracked out not open
[11:54] <Lartza> Unity and Unreal both work on Ubuntu
[11:55] <Lartza> But I got places to be now so good luck
[11:55] <Guest60> unity is c# and no it does not prolly , unreal too
[12:28] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:43] <ogra> alkisg, both browsers connect the home interface by default, so sharing html pages should be possible through ~/my-project or some such ... /tmp is indeed a per-snap thing, but you should in any cas always be able to save something to it, if you can not, there is a bug
[12:45] <alkisg> Thank you ogra, I'll give ~/my-project a go as well
[12:47] <ogra> the tmp issue you describe is worrying though ... looks like an incompatibility between portals (who operate in /run/user/<uid>/doc) and /tmp
[12:47] <ogra> i.e. some kind of race condition
[13:03] <alkisg> We also need a /home/shared folder for students, I guess the interfaces thing is the way to do that
[13:06] <stevenm_> What exactly /is/ the system fixed width font?
[13:11] <sarnold> stevenm_: in what context?
[13:12] <stevenm_> e.g. your on a terminal program (for example MATE Terminal) and tick a box that says "Use the system fixed width font"
[13:12] <stevenm_> if it's reading the name of a font from the system... how might someone actually know what font that is?
[13:12] <stevenm_> because whatever it is on ubuntu isn't properly fixed width at all
[13:17] <sarnold> hrmph. I expected to find something like a fixed.pcf somewhere around here, I wonder what I'm missing
[13:23] <stevenm_> ah it's Ubuntu Mono Regular
[13:24] <stevenm_> which apparently thinks ♥ should be wider than H
[13:24] <sarnold> hah, that isn't what I expected :)
[13:24] <stevenm_> so much for monospace
[13:25]  * jsbach .
[13:32] <stevenm_> NEW QUESTION :)
[13:32] <stevenm_> How does someone *change* the system fixed width font ? :D
[13:33] <stevenm_> As "Ubuntu Mono" in size 13 is crap (and not fixed width after all anyway)... and it seems "DejaVu Sans Mono Book" in size 11 is virtually identical in lettering (mostly) and the same size... but actually /IS/ fixed width :P
[13:34] <stevenm_> maybe it's a GTK+ thing?  /desktop/gnome/interface/monospace_font_name perhaps
[13:40] <kevin_> Hi
[13:44] <rubick> Is there a good resource for documentation on creating pam profiles in /usr/share/pam-configs?
[13:48] <sarnold> rubick: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PAMConfigFrameworkSpec
[13:48] <yrdsb> Why is interim ubuntu release unstable
[13:49] <sarnold> because the bulk of the 'new development' happens in those releases; with the bug reports from users, the LTS releases can be more predictable and mor ereliable
[13:49] <yrdsb> Also why did 21.10 end support so early
[13:50] <yrdsb> It ended support less then a year ago
[13:50] <yrdsb> I mean why only 9 monthes
[13:50] <yrdsb> That way too short
[13:50] <leftyfb> yrdsb: that is how it's always been
[13:50] <yrdsb> Leftydn but 9 monthes is too short
[13:50] <leftyfb> this is why we have LTS releases. Stick with those if you need longer support
[13:51] <yrdsb> What the difference between lts and interim
[13:51] <leftyfb> longer support
[13:51] <yrdsb> Also I tried ubuntu 21.10 but it had stability issues
[13:51] <leftyfb> also, pretty sure it's just "LTS" and not "LTS". I don't think it's ever been referred to as "interim"
[13:52] <yrdsb> Why people say don't use interim releases
[13:52] <leftyfb> I'm pretty sure this was all just explained to you
[13:52] <sarnold> yrdsb: the interim releases used to get 18 months of support, but it was a lot of extra work to fix bugs and security problems for releases that very few people used
[13:52] <yrdsb> What do most peoppe use lts or interim
[13:52] <sarnold> yrdsb: LTS releases are vastly more popular
[13:53] <leftyfb> yrdsb: stick with LTS
[13:53] <yrdsb> What happen if I attemt to upgrade to a interim release
[13:53] <leftyfb> :/
[13:53] <leftyfb> then it will only get support for 9 months
[13:53] <yrdsb> When will interim stop being unstable
[13:54] <yrdsb> I need stability not new features
[13:54] <leftyfb> then stick with LTS
[13:54] <yrdsb> Bye
[14:11] <useregio> lol
[14:11] <useregio> since when did ubunto got its own chat service
[14:14] <Piraty> why does `apt dist-upgrade` show multiple packages 'are held back'? isn't dist-upgrade's purpose to install/uninstall automatic dependencies
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> can you pastebin whats happening exactly Piraty so volunteers can think along with you?
[14:16] <Piraty> yes
[14:16] <Piraty> another odd find: `apt purge --no-install-recommends gnome-shell`  is going to install a few new ones oO
[14:18] <Piraty> http://ix.io/4eVy
[14:19] <Piraty> do-release upgrade refuses to do its thing , i suspect due to the 'hold back' packages
[14:19] <Piraty> https://termbin.com/gjas
[14:21] <Piraty> https://ttm.sh/0WE.txt  ( in this case i'm in fact fine with uninstalling this gnome package as i don't use gnome)
[14:22] <pickanick> Pardon me.  How to get the info pages for mmap and other commands? when I say info mmap it appears that info is presenting man pages
[14:23] <WaV> man nmap?
[14:23] <Piraty> WaV: `man info`
[14:27] <jhutchins> https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/info-command-in-linux-with-examples/
[14:27] <jhutchins> The interface can be frustrating for a modern user.
[14:29] <yrdsb> Which one is better if I want faster expeeumde duel boot or vm
[14:29] <yrdsb> I using vm rightnnow
[14:29] <yrdsb> If dual boot faster I will delete my vm and try to duel boot
[14:31] <yrdsb> Which one is better if I want faster experience
[14:31] <yrdsb> Since my vm is a bit slow
[14:33] <yrdsb> My PC main os is windows 11
[14:34] <hggdh> Piraty: you probably want the package glibc-doc-reference
[14:35] <Piraty> will check
[14:35] <Piraty> why?
[14:35] <hggdh> sorry, why what?
[14:39] <Piraty> why would i want glibc-doc-reference
[14:39] <yrdsb> ,can you give me a 1 hour +q
[14:39] <Piraty> maybe that was meant for pickanick
[14:40] <yrdsb>  #ubuntu-ops
[14:40] <hggdh> Piraty: I apologise, it is indeed for pickanick
[14:41] <Piraty> no harm inflicted ;)
[14:57] <pickanick> no, I mean, how to make sure various info pages are installed?
[14:58] <pickanick> If they are installed, info X will not display the man pages for X
[14:58] <jhutchins> pickanick: Most packages do not have info pages.
[14:58] <jhutchins> (Some barely have man pages.)
[14:59] <jhutchins> pickanick: Graphical programs also tend to avoid text manuals in favor of either help files or more often on-line documentation (web pages).
[15:00] <jhutchins> pickanick: Some packages have separate documentaion modules that are not installed by default.
[15:02] <pickanick> mmap is a linux programmer's function with GNU extensions and so I imagine it would come with GNU info pages
[15:03] <pickanick> but it's possible it simply does not
[15:03] <pickanick> hmm more info at https://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/
[15:04] <pickanick> no mention of info. ah well
[15:04] <jhutchins> Many early man pages were auto-converted from info pages.  Some projects never bothered to update them.
[15:07] <hggdh> GNU offerings all use 'info' and usually have a summarised 'man' page as well. In general the corresponding package has both of them, together with the binaries
[15:09] <jhutchins> hggdh: Sometimes.
[15:10] <hggdh> that's why I said "in general"
[15:15] <hggdh> the GLIBC doc is (1) a large package; (2) not needed for *most* Linux users. IIRC there was of old some sort of encumbrance on it as well (but I may as well be confusing things)
[15:23] <hggdh> by default the manpages-dev (at least) will carry the GLIBC-equivalent 'man' entries
[15:25] <hggdh> but, once glibc-doc-reference is installed, then an 'info libc' will give one access to all
[15:49] <yrdsb> why is kubuntu installation possiblr on ubuntu
[15:50] <yrdsb> is both  ubuntu and linux mint linux
[16:00] <bittin> hey
[16:25] <johnnee> check
[16:59] <pycurious> I want to delete a file so that it is not recoverable. What is the right tool in Ubuntu to do this?
[16:59] <omart> i think its rm -rf
[16:59] <omart> but that deletes the entire follder
[16:59] <xx> pycurious: there are no guarantees that a file is not recoverable
[16:59] <pycurious> omart: that is no where close to secure deletion
[17:00] <xx> wipe the entire drive if you have to
[17:00] <xx> a single overwrite of entire drive with zeros is enough
[17:00] <johnnee> right click open as admin, delete contents.. to start
[17:01] <ogra> pycurious, ook at "shred"
[17:01] <ogra> *look
[17:02] <ogra> (it will overwrite the data on the filesystem with zeros while deleting the file)
[17:02] <ogra> shred -uvz /path/t👋file
[17:03] <ogra> (sorry, rougue emoji plugin in my client 😛 )
[17:04] <ogra> using the -n option you can have it overwrite the data multiple times bw
[17:04] <ogra> there is also the "secure-delete" package that ships the "srm" tool doing something similar (but shred is pre-installed i think)
[17:46] <johnnee> X- surely is broke.
[17:46] <johnnee> I dont know how we survived it.
[17:46] <tomreyn> can't be, it's maintained by redhat. do you have an ubuntu support question, though?
[17:47] <johnnee> no worries tomreyn , thank you for your response.
[17:52] <johnnee> I have a silly "ubuntu" question - Its been yrs since i ran Quassel - and - cant seem to find the command on how to eliinate previous text in the room. silly, i know, but I cant even find it in their own faq's.
[17:54] <johnnee> eliminate *
[17:54] <tomreyn> i never used it, but https://bugs.quassel-irc.org/projects/quassel-irc/wiki/quassel_logging says it does not forget. there is #quassel
[17:55] <johnnee> exactly
[17:55] <johnnee> thanks
[17:55] <johnnee> god bless you tomreyn
[17:57] <johnnee> but: thats not what my silly complaint was: it is - how can i like Hexchat do = ?clear ??
[17:57] <johnnee>   /clear
[17:58] <johnnee> ?
[17:58] <tomreyn> ask in #quassel - they should know, if anyone.
[17:58] <johnnee> ok. thanks man.
[18:01] <johnnee> I was trying to avoid the 72 hour waiting period.. but, thanks anyways.
[18:16] <johnnee> god bless you  tomreyn
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> did you find your solution johnnee ?
[18:17] <johnnee> AND - Thank You for your services to the community.
[18:17] <johnnee> lotuspsychje:  no, not at this time.
[18:18] <johnnee> It seems like a hard find, being the community faq is completely vague
[18:19] <johnnee> My apologies in taking too much space in the room over silly complaints.
[18:20] <lotuspsychje> we try to focus on ubuntu issues in this channel johnnee
[18:20] <johnnee> Im 78 yrs old and might be a bit silly at times, thank you for your time and efforts.
[18:20] <lotuspsychje> !chat | johnnee but feel free to join
[18:21] <johnnee> ok lotuspsychje thank you for your concerns.
[18:24] <johnnee> lotuspsychje: , on a personal level, could you help me ?  . thanks.
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> johnnee: tomreyn already pointed you to quassel support
[18:27] <johnnee> Only reason this attribute applys to me is this.. i cant see very well and want to make sure i am not reading old posts and repete silliness.
[18:28] <johnnee> Thank you in advance.
[18:28] <johnnee> god bless you.
[18:31] <johnnee> AND quassel gives me better colors that make it easy. sorry.
[18:35] <johnnee> Just to be clear, - I am a retired engineere, - I repaired tv / vcr/ 2way radio / ham radio / dvd / cd / police radio / commercial radio / anything electronic.. thank you.
[18:36] <johnnee> linux is my 5th adventure.. thank you for your patience.
[18:36] <johnnee> god bless you
[18:37] <lotuspsychje> johnnee: please dont use this channel for chatting, have respect to the users needing real ubuntu help
[18:38] <johnnee> thank you lotuspsychje, will do, thank you.
[18:39] <johnnee> lotuspsychje:  can you help me. thank you sir.
[18:43] <johnnee> Im looking for a simple answer, why, is this a hard avenue within a critical structure that elevates itself as top dog, please review the question in venue. thanks.
[18:44] <Guest77> Heyy, my distro is not suspending after Nvidia driver update...
[18:44] <johnnee> re-do your drivers .. pick another one.
[18:45] <johnnee> rewboot 2wice and try again
[18:45] <Guest77> Nvidia drivers are hot garbage, I'm tired of this..  What is a good FS to use for this?
[18:47] <tomreyn> Guest77: what's your distro?
[18:47] <Guest77> Pop OS 22.04 Nvidia
[18:48] <tomreyn> Guest77: i'm afraid you won't find help with this here, we support ubuntu
[18:48] <johnnee> guest77  google.. how to delete nvidia..  and... re- install
[18:48] <johnnee> gheeze  pop
[18:49] <Guest77> I want to permanently disable nvidia.. its causing more issues than its use
[18:49] <johnnee> go some where else
[18:50] <Guest77> tomreyn Before Installing Pop OS I screwed up Ubuntu installation lol
[18:50] <tomreyn> Guest77: if you want to try again and get help with it here, if needed, let us know
[18:50] <tomreyn> Guest77: if you want to try again and get help with it here, if needed, let us know
[18:51] <pycurious> Good encrypted FS suggestions? Is EXT4 good for this?
[18:51] <tomreyn> pycurious: supposedly yes, but i have not read much about it, and it's still somewhat new.
[18:51] <johnnee> lotuspsychje:  - still waiting. thank you for your time and efforts.
[18:52] <tomreyn> pycurious: there is also cryptsetup / dmcrypt-luks (but that's not file system encryption)
[18:53] <Guest77> tomreyn I want to try Lubuntu next, I hope it is supported here
[18:53] <tomreyn> pycurious: also zfs and btrfs support encryption, i think, maybe the xfs, too, not sure.
[18:53] <tomreyn> !flavors | Guest77
[18:53] <tomreyn> (Lubuntu is one of them)
[18:54] <Guest77> Thanks, you guys are amazing!! I'm moving back to my ubuntu
[18:55] <johnnee> good answer
[18:56] <johnnee> usually, anything that re-writes itself as "ubuntu" is broke.
[18:56] <tomreyn> pycurious: actually i seem to be wrong there, btrfs doesn't support file system encryption.
[18:57] <Guest77> johnnee I learnt that hard way, hehe
[18:57] <johnnee> me 2 16 yrs ago
[18:57] <johnnee> back when we installed 6.06
[18:58] <johnnee> 7.04 was killer
[18:58] <johnnee> like kde 3.5
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> !ot | johnnee
[18:59] <Guest77> Now, I had tried Ubuntu 20.04, which ran without any issues at all... except Bluetooth audio with PulseAudio... Should I go with that or I try the latest 22.04?
[19:00] <tomreyn> johnnee: we have a couple ubuntu channels. this one is really just for support Q & A. it's fine to share experiences when it adds to an answer someone asked an ubuntu question on.
[19:00] <johnnee> Guest77:  with each "point" release.. it gets better.
[19:01] <ravage> Guest77, the latest LTS is usually a good idea
[19:01] <Guest77> tomreyn do we have people from Canonical here or it is community driven support ?
[19:01] <tomreyn> Guest77: community, which does not rule out people who also work for Canonical
[19:01] <Guest77> ravage thanks, I'll give it a try
[19:03] <johnnee> lotuspsychje: , you have yet to respond to my cry for help, please respond, thank you for your time and efforts.
[19:03] <Guest77> Can I keep my home existing directory while installing Ubuntu ?
[19:03] <Guest77> I mean, is it possible to install Ubuntu without losing data?
[19:04] <tomreyn> johnnee: i'm not sure which ubuntu question you asked, but note that there is no guarantee that a specific person will respond to some question you asked, or anyone.
[19:04] <ravage> if you have /home on a seperate partition a manual partition setup is possible that keeps data
[19:05] <johnnee> tomreyn:  they in person "did" respont, it was not an accurate response. thanks
[19:05] <ravage> i still would not recommend it. especially not coming from a foreign distro
[19:05] <Guest77> I do have it on a separate partition
[19:06] <johnnee> Is lotuspsychje a bot ?
[19:07] <tomreyn> johnnee: no. and i don't think you can insist on a response.
[19:07] <johnnee> I see whats coming.. i will leave for now.. thank you ubuntu for your efforts
[19:07] <SeeBergD> Hello! Is it possible to encrypt the linux partition even after installation?
[19:08] <Guest77> Why is Ublock blocking Lubuntu's official website for badware risk?
[19:09] <tomreyn> SeeBergD: this depends a bit on what / how you installed. but let's say it's not a common approach. you probably want to do the encryption during installation.
[19:09] <ravage> Guest77: you are not on the official website
[19:09] <ravage> https://lubuntu.me/
[19:10] <Guest77> Yup got it, i was accessing lubuntu . net
[19:10] <SeeBergD> Tomreyn: Okay thank you for your advice, will probably install it again!
[19:12] <tomreyn> SeeBergD: yes, that's probably what you want. both desktop and server installer support it. it's a bit more complicated to setup with the server installer, but you get more flexibility there, too.
[19:14] <SeeBergD> Thank you, tomreyn!
[19:16] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[19:42] <matt3> hello : dreaming an ubuntu solid ... i think xorg + display manager is double ... why not xorg and stop with inside gnome or cinnamonn or mate ...
[19:42] <arraybolt3> I think you're describing Wayland vs. X?
[19:42] <arraybolt3> Wayland has the display manager and display server all in one thing.
[19:43] <arraybolt3> It should be the default display manager mode on Ubuntu 22.04 and higher.
[19:43] <oerheks> +1 both sessions are installed standard
[19:43] <arraybolt3> (Might have been even before that but I don't remember.)
[19:45] <matt3> arraybolt3 : thanks very much : studing wayland ... :D
[19:48] <matt3> yes, reading, very fine i am happy ... thanks
[19:51] <matt3> cu tomorrow, thanks 4 Wayland ...
[20:04] <jhutchins> Many of the functions of a display manager are surplus for a single-user workstation.
[20:34] <mjt0k> Hi! What's the kernel package name on Ubuntu? I can't seem to find linux-image-amd64 in main - the one which I usually install on Debian..  Is it linux-image-generic?
[20:37] <mjt0k> ..looks like it is
[20:45] <alkisg> mjt0k: usually linux-generic-hwe-22.04, which includes the newer kernels and their headers
[20:46] <mjt0k> aha! thank you! :)
[20:47] <pycurious> tomreyn: have you ever encrypted an external drive from ubuntu? Perhaps with a password - so that it can only be mounted using a password used as a key for encryption.
[21:06] <ravage> Disks can do that
[21:37] <jilocasin> evening everyone
[21:37] <jilocasin> can anyone point me in the direction of some docs on how to upgrade ubuntu server 22.04.1 to 22.04.5? thanks.
[21:39] <oerheks> just run sudo apt dist-upgrade # and reboot
[21:39] <oerheks> !distupgrade
[21:40] <jilocasin> oerheks: did, doesn't do anything
[21:41] <oerheks> really? so what kernel do you have now?
[21:41] <jilocasin> oerheks: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[21:42] <oerheks> oh, 22.04.5 is not out .. we are all at 22.04.1 now.
[21:43] <jilocasin> oerheks: 5.15.0-52-generic
[21:43] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[21:43] <jilocasin> oerheks: k, no .2, or .3, etc.?
[21:43] <oerheks> 22.04.2 will be ready in feb '23
[21:43] <jilocasin> oerheks: thanks, good to know.
[21:44] <oerheks> have fun! you are up2date
[21:44] <jilocasin> oerheks: wanted to make sure this box is fully current *before* I start loading it up.
[21:44] <jilocasin> oerheks: :>
[21:44] <jilocasin> thanks for all you help.
[22:12] <brkcore>  can i see the progress of moving files in terminal, if I started it with gui?
[22:12] <brkcore> moving big files from vm to usb
[22:12] <brkcore> stuck on 6 hrs left
[22:15] <oerheks> one could see the size of the usb, repeatedly to check progress..
[22:15] <oerheks> maybe even with your filemanager
[22:16] <brkcore> I can see only the speed varies with +/- 0.01kbs (moving it with around 248kb/s
[22:16] <brkcore> maybe something wrong with a file that is moving now
[22:19] <brkcore> its been 3 hours already i forgot what im moving
[22:22] <oerheks> good luck!
[22:22] <brkcore> if I see which file is taking so long i can delete it so it can carry on moving the next files
[22:23] <oerheks> well, crossposting is not helping ..
[22:24] <brkcore> i didnt expect someone will answer thats why , sorry
[22:31] <jhutchins> brkcore: rsync -av?
[22:32] <jhutchins> brkcore: rsync -av --progress?
[22:32] <jhutchins> brkcore: What command are you using to move?
[22:33] <brkcore> jhutchins, rsyng -av progress  error syntax
[22:33] <brkcore> jhutchins, i used gui
[22:33] <jhutchins> brkcore: man rsync to get the correct syntax, but I think it's what I suggested, --progress
[22:33] <xx> never use gui for stuff that matters
[22:34] <xx> gui fails in unexpected ways and gives no helpful logging
[22:34] <brkcore> jhutchins, yes its correct, it works
[22:34] <jhutchins> brkcore: There's an old tradition that abreviated (single letter) options are - and full-word options are --
[22:35] <jhutchins> brkcore: The rsync command will also skip any portion of the file already copied.
[22:35] <brkcore> I see now pdf file is moving with 8/37kb/s
[22:35] <jhutchins> brkcore: You _can_ tell rsync to delete after moving, but it's probably better to copy-then-clean.
[22:36] <brkcore> jhutchins, can rsync delete a file that is already moving?
[22:36] <jhutchins> brkcore: That requires a better knowledge of the processes involved and where they are in progress.
[22:37] <brkcore> in general all files are mobing very slow, i was thinking its because im moving very big file
[22:37] <jhutchins> brkcore: There is no actual "move" operation.  There are only copy and delete.
[22:37] <brkcore> but now with rsync I see even small files are moving slow
[22:38] <brkcore> jhutchins, mhm, thats right good point
[22:38] <jhutchins> (Actually, there is no "copy", just "read" and "write".
[22:39] <brkcore> yeah, its writing
[22:40] <brkcore> and its writing with 240kb/s for almost 3 hours now. 6 hours left. That's not right
[23:02] <brkcore> but what could be the reason for such a slow writing on the usb? the VM is set to use 3.0 controller , the speed is under 30kn/s
[23:03] <brkcore> the port is 2.0 and the usb is v3.0
[23:35] <acidlist> hi all
[23:40] <MonoL> Hi
[23:40] <acidlist> hi monol
[23:42] <MonoL> If I do "conda list" I see the anaconda-navigator 2.3.2.. great but how do I run it?
[23:44] <MonoL> anaconda-navigator: command not found


[06:37] <nixternal> trappist: you around?
[06:43] <CarlFK> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpdatingADeb - what does "Immutable Page" mean?
[06:43] <CarlFK> and why can't I find the login so I can change it
[06:45] <nixternal> means you and i don't have the rights to edit that page
[06:45] <nixternal> you have to file a bug against it
[06:46] <nixternal> interesting..you edited that page before?
[06:46] <CarlFK> yup
[06:46] <CarlFK> I wrote that page :)
[06:47] <nixternal> you can't edit any of the pages on the h.u.c now
[06:47] <nixternal> that is stupid
[06:47] <nixternal> the entire wiki is immutable
[06:47] <CarlFK> ducky
[08:49] <dsas>  hmm, wasn't someone doing work on the wiki earlier?
[08:51] <CarlFK> i would hope it didn't lock itself down ;)
[08:51] <CarlFK> oh no! the wiki has become self aware!
[09:38] <LaserJock> nixternal: ping
[09:38] <nixternal> hurry...im in the middle of dressing here ;)
[09:38] <nixternal> i heard my lappy beep fromt he bathroom ;)
[09:39] <LaserJock> did you file a bug on the immutable wiki
[09:39] <nixternal> getting ready to head to the wedding ;)
[09:39] <LaserJock> heh
[09:39] <nixternal> no i didn't
[09:39] <LaserJock> I have no idea why it'd do that
[09:39] <nixternal> my buddy is screaming, get off the pc nerd
[09:39] <LaserJock> cya
[09:39] <nixternal> haha
[09:39] <LaserJock> have fun
[09:39] <nixternal> roger that...ttyl
[09:39] <nixternal> tomorrow when i get home more than likely
[09:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62070 in ubuntu-doc "How to mount/unmount Windows partitions (NTFS) manually, and allow all users to read only" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62070
[10:58] <LaserJock> Burgundavia!
[10:58] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: did you see that the help wiki is immutable?
[11:04] <Burgundavia> umm, no
[11:04] <Burgundavia> oh, fun
[11:04] <LaserJock> mhm
[11:07] <Burgundavia><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:07] <Burgundavia> open a ticket by emailing them
[11:10] <LaserJock> me?
[11:12] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: can you view tickets anywere? or are they just done via email?
[11:13] <Burgundavia> just via email
[11:21] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: I'll do it if you haven't
[11:44] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: I have not
[11:45] <LaserJock> fine then :-)


[10:13] <minasota> cyberanger: has noaa changed something that would keep my weather-util from working. Can't fetch forecast from the command line any longer
[10:20] <minasota> http://weather.noaa.gov/pub site was deprecated. Fixed in version 2.1. Debian has 2.0-1
[10:32] <cyberanger> minasota: Don't see a version in experimental either. How about metar?
[10:33] <Unit193> Temp: 35°F (2 C) ~ Clear ~ Windchill: 31 F (0 C) ~ Humidity: 96% ~ Observed: Tue 25, 05:52
[10:34] <cyberanger> metar still works too
[10:35] <minasota> curl wttr.in/ still works
[10:37] <minasota> To get weather-util to work it seems I need to update airports, places, stations zctas, and zones with the new link http://tgftp.nws.noaa.gov. Then rebuild all those sets
[10:38] <minasota> I think I'll use curl wttr.in/ for now
[10:42] <cyberanger> That works
[10:43]  * cyberanger really needs a nap


[00:48] <jacoody> I'm having a problem getting my pchdtv card installed for analog use.  The dmesg errors are "[  654.241426] tuner: disagrees about version of symbol tea5767_attach
[00:48] <jacoody> [  654.241437] tuner: Unknown symbol tea5767_attach
[00:48] <jacoody> [  654.241630] tuner: Unknown symbol tda8290_probe
[00:48] <jacoody> [  654.241712] tuner: Unknown symbol tda8290_attach
[00:48] <jacoody> [  654.242050] tuner: disagrees about version of symbol simple_tuner_attach
[00:48] <jacoody> [  654.242053] tuner: Unknown symbol simple_tuner_attach
[00:48] <jacoody> [  654.242102] tuner: disagrees about version of symbol microtune_attach
[00:48] <jacoody> [  654.242106] tuner: Unknown symbol microtune_attach
[00:48] <jacoody> [  654.242310] tuner: disagrees about version of symbol tea5761_attach
[00:48] <jacoody> [  654.242314] tuner: Unknown symbol tea5761_attach
[05:18] <moj0rising> Hello. Is anyone here at the moment?
[10:23] <MythbuntuGuest86> Hallo
[10:24] <MythbuntuGuest86> Just want to find out a bit more about mythbuntu.  Is it hard to configure and understand for a new user?  Is file sharing betwean a winxp and mythbuntu pc possible and finally what IR device do you need to be able to change channels on your decoder?
[10:37] <laga> hello
[10:38] <laga> well, for 1) not sure - depends on you :) but it's supposed to be easy and if you run into problems, there's a lot of ressources
[10:38] <laga> 2) yes, that's possible. it's linux after all
[10:38] <laga> 3) i don't know - these are called "ir blasters"
[10:43] <MythbuntuGuest86> Nice, yeah im kinda new to Linux.  Allways been a windows user, time to port over now.
[10:43] <MythbuntuGuest86> I have tried ubuntu before, but never could manage to get my wireless card to work, its smc.
[10:44] <hads> The MS MCE remotes come with a blaster which is supported by lirc
[10:44] <hads> Easy
[10:44] <laga> depends which version of ubuntu you tried before.. if it doesn't work in ubuntu 8.04, it's not going to work in mythbuntu 8.04 either. but if you tried an earlier version, it's quite possible that it works now
[10:45] <MythbuntuGuest86> Yeah, well if it does not work on the wireless lan I can always use my extra lan cable.  :)
[10:45] <MythbuntuGuest86> MS MCE remote sounds cool.
[10:49] <MythbuntuGuest86> Thanks a lot for the info so far, im going to download the iso tonight and hold thumbs.
[10:58] <MythbuntuGuest86> Ok guys im on my way, will download and report back my experience, thank you.
[13:51] <jmichel> Hi, I think it is an easy question because I already did it 2 months ago on another machine but I can't remeber how: I have a MythBuntu pc with 3 Hauppauge PVR cards and 1 digital ATSC card. Whenever I select LiveTV, the digital card is always the first one to be used but I'd prefer to use the PVR first. I lowered the digital's card priority in mythtv-setup and I made sure the digital card was the last in the list of devic
[14:02] <jacoody> anyone here at the moment?
[14:07] <sabhain> what's your question?
[14:07] <jacoody> I left a log on pastebin but my tuner is conflicting.
[14:07] <jphillip> !ask | jacoody
[14:07] <Zinn> jacoody: Please don't ask if anyone is around or if it is alright to ask a question.  Many people check back periodically and may answer your question when they see it.  IRC is not normally an instant fix so check back often for an answer.
[14:08] <jacoody> I'm trying to use the v4l drivers for analog cable with pc-5500
[14:08] <jacoody> sorry zinn.  i didn't know the protocol.  I asked 13 hours ago so i wasn't sure what to do
[14:17] <jphillip> jacoody no problem, just sometimes people ask if thye can ask and never ask the question
[14:17] <jphillip> if you don't get an answer here you can always try the forums
[14:17] <jacoody> yeah, I tried them and tried everything on the internet :)
[14:17] <jacoody> when I upgrade the v4l-dvb as suggested I get a sound error instead heh
[14:18] <jphillip> you posted in there, or just searched them?
[14:18] <jacoody> posted in ubuntuforums.org
[14:18] <jacoody> and on the mythtv-users email list
[14:19] <jacoody> basically with built in drivers the tuner doesn't work and with the upgrade drivers the sound doesn't work.  I'm not a linux guru so I'm not sure what to do next
[14:22] <jacoody> i'll check back later
[14:23] <jphillip> hey darthanubis
[14:26] <jphillip> ls
[14:27] <jphillip> darthanubis want to run through the process that you are doing to test mythexpot, I was thinking about it and something doesn't seem right
[14:51] <jmichel> Have you seen my question posted right before jacoody?
[14:53] <jphillip> jmichel http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/341861
[14:57] <jmichel> thanks for the link... I'll try the reorder my input as stated
[14:59] <jphillip> you can try the avoid livetv conflicts that is mentioned as well
[15:00] <jphillip> also, when you launch livetv, in the menu you can change the input/source/etc
[15:20] <jmichel> jphillip: I know I can change input once into liveTV but because most of the time I watch analog TV I find it anoying to always change :)
[15:36] <thatdood> you would think it would just remember the last channel AND input you were last on. /shrug
[16:19] <MythbuntuGuest22> hello all...  Setting up a Client box and need assistance selecting a USB Network Adapter
[16:20] <MythbuntuGuest22> Using the DLINK Dir-655;  wanting a Draft-N adapter that is STABLE...  ANY HELP?
[16:21] <MythbuntuGuest22> *Foxbuntu...  You availavle?
[16:22] <foxbuntu> MythbuntuGuest22, Network manager should have no problem with the USB NIC, I use one myself
[16:23] <foxbuntu> MythbuntuGuest22, Why draft-N?
[16:24] <laga> foxbuntu: well, it needs to be supported by linux ;()
[16:24] <foxbuntu> laga, well N spec wireless needs supported by the IEEE first
[16:24] <foxbuntu> ;)
[16:25] <laga> haha
[16:25] <laga> yeah, that's a shame
[16:25] <MythbuntuGuest22> wanting to get the fastest speeds; know there are issues with it in the past
[16:25] <MythbuntuGuest22> not sure if there is anything out yet that is compliant and stable
[16:26] <foxbuntu> MythbuntuGuest22, nope
[16:26] <MythbuntuGuest22> Had the Linksys WUSB300N working but it would error the ports; very unstable...
[16:27] <foxbuntu> MythbuntuGuest22, I am a network engineer and work with Wireless allot, draft N is a big no no in the enterprise world yet
[16:27] <laga> well, for SOHO use..
[16:27] <foxbuntu> still, I personally would stay away until its spec'd
[16:27] <MythbuntuGuest22> Thanks Foxbuntu...  What would you recommend; speed, reliability...  range not so much
[16:28] <foxbuntu> MythbuntuGuest22, the WRT-54G's from linksys seem pretty good
[16:29] <foxbuntu> ASUS has a pretty good g router
[16:29] <foxbuntu> Netgear has a new Open-Source G router
[16:29] <MythbuntuGuest22> So you are saying I should replace the router?
[16:29] <MythbuntuGuest22> It is running pretty damb good
[16:30] <foxbuntu> oh you are just wanting a new card?
[16:30] <foxbuntu> what router do you have?
[16:30] <MythbuntuGuest22> Using the Dlink 655
[16:30] <foxbuntu> any old G card will do
[16:30] <foxbuntu> well
[16:31] <foxbuntu> linksys, dlink
[16:31] <MythbuntuGuest22> im sure any will...  Which gives the most BANG for the buck... you know///
[16:31] <foxbuntu> MythbuntuGuest22, G is G, its a spec
[16:31] <foxbuntu> the expanded speed is based on the router
[16:31] <laga> yeah, but some are cheaper.. and some perform better :)
[16:31] <laga> and the quality of the linux driver varies etc
[16:31] <laga> MythbuntuGuest22: are you going to stream hdtv?
[16:32] <foxbuntu> laga, over g?
[16:32] <laga> well, he wanted draft N initially that's why i asked :)
[16:32] <MythbuntuGuest22> right on....  Not yet, just know I will eventually
[16:32] <foxbuntu> yeah...but everyone does because its supposed to be faster :-)
[16:32] <foxbuntu> lol
[16:33] <MythbuntuGuest22> lol
[16:33] <laga> i don't want it, i can't afford it ;)
[16:33] <foxbuntu> laga, yeah...but your the exception to the rule
[16:33] <laga> ouch!
[16:34] <foxbuntu> haha
[16:34] <MythbuntuGuest22> liked what the DIR-160 offers....  pricy ($74) there are issues installing on Hardy; from what I have read.  That was the reasoning..
[16:34] <foxbuntu> laga, its alright though...I havent made any shots at germans latley]
[16:34] <laga> MythbuntuGuest22: you could always buy another draft-n router and use that as a bridge.. that's probably more expensive, tho
[16:35] <MythbuntuGuest22> Thats an idea laga.  Would not need to worry about drivers than....
[16:36] <MythbuntuGuest22> laga:  thanks for the thought; will check into that...
[16:36] <foxbuntu> MythbuntuGuest22, or...you could do like I did, just have a long arse cat5 cable laying on the floor
[16:37] <MythbuntuGuest22> In an apartment (family owned) and dont want to drill the wall...  Think I like the bridge idea!  Ok, got to get to work now..... THANKS FOXBUNTU and LAGA.  You guys are great!!!
[16:38] <laga> make sure the AP supports bridging mode ;)
[16:38] <laga> have fun at work
[16:38] <foxbuntu> later
[16:38] <MythbuntuGuest22> cya
[16:39] <jphillip> streaming over wifi is a mess :)
[19:29] <ownatsch__> hi, i have a hauppauge hvr-4000 card, installed the multifrontend drivers, i managed to run a successful scan but apparently i'm not abled to get the thing working in mythtv or even get a picture in mplayer, could someone help me out here?
[21:22] <SHADOW__X> hello
[21:22] <SHADOW__X> i have my hauppauge hvr-1800 working in linux
[21:23] <SHADOW__X> tvtime and mplayer work with analog
[21:24] <SHADOW__X> but when i try and use it in mythtv it doesnt work right if i use tvtime or ivtv-tune to tune to a channel i can watch that channel on the front end but it wont know what c hannel i am on and changing the channel just makes it hang
[21:40] <zabbadapp> SHADOW__X: can you scan for channels in mythtv-setup? does it find any?
[21:42] <SHADOW__X> yup
[21:42] <SHADOW__X> that works fine
[21:43] <zabbadapp> so what does arrow up/down do in myth-frontend while watching tv (should change channel)
[21:43] <SHADOW__X> nope
[21:44] <SHADOW__X> it doesnt know what channel its on
[21:44] <SHADOW__X> if i change the  channel it just hangs
[21:44] <SHADOW__X> i can just goto a channel i have to first use tvtime or ivtv-tune to tune to a channel then the channel i tuned to will be availble in myth
[21:44] <SHADOW__X> but it wont know what channel its on and it cant change the channel
[21:48] <zabbadapp> can you change channel using the v4lctl command? if that works, you could as a workaround use what is called "external change command" in myth-setup to call a script that will do "v4lctl -c /dev/video0 setchannel $1" for you.
[21:57] <SHADOW__X> zabbadapp: i already wrote a script using ivtv-tune
[22:00] <zabbadapp> ah, ok ... can you change channel that way from the command line?
[22:00] <SHADOW__X> yes
[22:00] <SHADOW__X> but that wont work in myth
[22:30] <SHADOW__X> zabbadapp:  any ideas
[22:34] <zabbadapp> are you using $1 as the channel passed from mythtv correctly? (first argument)
[22:36] <SHADOW__X> #!/bin/sh
[22:36] <SHADOW__X> /usr/bin/ivtv-tune -tus-cable-hrc -d/dev/video2 -c $1
[22:36] <SHADOW__X> thats the script
[22:51] <SHADOW__X> should i make a script like the one you said but i couldnt use your command
[23:16] <SHADOW__X> zabbadapp: you there
[23:17] <zabbadapp> hmm .. but that script works for you on the commandline?
[23:18] <SHADOW__X> yup i just type analog.sh 72 and that works
[23:21] <SHADOW__X> also where it says external channel change command i have /usr/local/bin/analog.sh then the next line where it says preset tuner to channel is blank
[23:22] <zabbadapp> are the permissions correct? try to add a line: echo 'hello from channel change script' > /tmp/alive.txt  ... in there to see if it actually executes
[23:22] <SHADOW__X> alright
[23:23] <SHADOW__X> i also made the file permissions for everytone
[23:23] <zabbadapp> rwx for all?
[23:23] <SHADOW__X> mhm
[23:23] <zabbadapp> or rx atleast :-)
[23:23] <SHADOW__X> everything for everyone lol
[23:24] <SHADOW__X> although i need root access to edit the file
[23:33] <SHADOW__X> zabbadapp:  it doesnt run
[23:48] <zabbadapp> no wonder you can't change the channel
[23:50] <SHADOW__X> right
[23:50] <SHADOW__X> why isnt it running the script
[23:50] <SHADOW__X> i can run it in terminal
[23:56] <SHADOW__X> any suggestions


[16:35] <k1l> ah it linuxlove
[16:59] <Pici> !cloak
[16:59] <Pici> oh, launchpad is mispelled
[17:00] <Pici> !cloak =~ s/laundpad/launchpad
[17:00] <Pici> !cloak =~ s/laundpad/launchpad/
[17:03] <Myrtti> !cloak =~ s/cloak is //
[17:03] <Myrtti> good good
[17:03] <Myrtti> probably my typo
[17:04] <Myrtti> and error
[17:09] <Pici> Myrtti: I'll fix in a moment, in a meeting (needs <reply>)
[17:09] <Myrtti> ♥
[17:10] <Pici> Myrtti: thanks for noticing though, I missed it.
 I want to be arch linux user
[23:23] <Pici> !cloak =~ s/^/<reply>/


[10:56] <stgraber> just did a bunch of bare metal installs of Edubuntu and I have one specific machine giving me "Illegal instructions" when starting the slideshow
[10:56] <stgraber> removing the slideshow fixed it
[10:56] <stgraber> this appears as one of these "int 10" python stacktrace, no sign of the Illegal instruction unless it's started from a shell
[10:57] <stgraber> that's an old AMD Athlon 1ghz machine
[10:58] <stgraber> I'll get apport to send a basic report from that machine just so I have a record of it. I strongly suspect a webkit bug or some other weirdness (that machine is over 12 years old)
[11:00] <ogra_> stgraber, stop using the armhf images on AMD machines :P
[11:01] <stgraber> ;)


[04:59] <ScottL> oh, troy_s, making some progress thinking about ubuntu studio, target audience, and delivery
[04:59] <troy_s> ScottL: Well that's optimistic.
[04:59] <ScottL> troy_s, staying with ISO's for the moment and I do have a good reason
[04:59] <ScottL> but i'm too tired to go into it right now
[05:00] <ScottL> troy_s, right now my "fun" is trying to get someone to help work on the website
[05:00] <ScottL> troy_s, some people seem to think that giving each other titles and setting up forums is "helping" *sigh*
[05:01] <troy_s> ScottL: It sure does doesn't it?
[05:01] <troy_s> ScottL: Seems to me not having a damn project is likely the bigger problem.
[05:02] <ScottL> troy_s, eh, i think we have a project, natty will see some significant changes, direction included
[05:03] <ScottL> troy_s, but i'm tired, work has been hard today, and i'm going to bed
[05:03] <troy_s> Aight.


[04:03] <Unit193> yano: Hard to tell when you're alive, so I have to ask now... Are you? :P
[05:26] <yano> Unit193: i am alive
[05:30] <Unit193> Yey!
[05:37] <yano> hah
[18:08] <gilbert> paultag: i apparently have a doppleganger ;)
[18:10] <gilbert> people that share my name seem to like chromium :)
[18:32] <paultag> gilbert: :D
[18:53] <gilbert> paultag: i'm kinda surprised that there was no blow up after the init decision.  seems like everyone just accepted it and moved on (except for the trolls)
[18:54] <paultag> yeah, most people were pretty willing to just accept *a* decision
[18:55] <paultag> everyone just had an opinion
[18:55] <paultag> but once someone says it's the way it is, tha'ts tghe way it is
[18:55] <paultag> well, people seem cool to do that
[18:56] <gilbert> yeah
[18:57] <gilbert> ubuntu abandoning upstart also helped i think
[18:57] <paultag> yeah
[18:57] <paultag> truth
[18:58] <gilbert> which was pretty surprising in itself
[18:58] <paultag> meanwhile, I'm getting death threats \o/
[18:58] <gilbert> would be nice to see the same w mir
[18:58] <paultag> well, vorlon said as much
[18:58] <gilbert> in real life?
[18:58] <paultag> no, on the lists
[18:58] <paultag> can't remember where
[18:58] <paultag> but it was basically that he wasn't going to fight a losing war
[18:58] <paultag> or something
[18:58] <paultag> it was implied he'd give up if Debian droped it
[18:59] <gilbert> oh
[19:00] <gilbert> anyway the fact that it is selected does i think mean that it was in the end the right decision
[19:00] <gilbert> i mean the fact that the decision isn't being fought means that it was the right one
[19:01] <gilbert> (although the fact that it got done via political brinkmanship doesn't still doesn't sit well with me)
[19:03] <paultag> yeah
[19:03] <paultag> but I'm glad it's over
[19:03] <paultag> finally
[19:04] <gilbert> yeah, at least the arguing is finally done and everyone can move on
[19:05] <paultag> truth


[11:21] <djm62> h36sa: I spent the night attempting to get windows working, for a woman who consistently called IE "google" and didn't know that firefox, which was installed on her system, was a web browser
[11:21] <linuxboyfriend> gnomefreak, what do u mean?
[11:22] <gnomefreak> linuxboyfriend: go to the link that ubotu posted about apt
[11:22] <avs> hello, can anyone tell me why ctrl-alt-backspace just dumps me to a text terminal instead of restarting X
[11:22] <gnomefreak> avs: log in type startx
[11:22] <h36sa> samuel_: yeah.. you can use xnest or load kde, then start new session->gnome then ctrl+alt+f7/f8
[11:22] <samuel_> thanks everyone, i'll try that
[11:22] <paganini> Is there any way to get the background image in gnome-terminal to scale to whatever size your terminal window is?
[11:22] <gnomefreak> avs: it drops you to tty because tty is non X
[11:23] <mwright1night> does epiphany use the gecko engine?
[11:23] <ruzgar> how can i format a etc3 harddisk partition in gnome interface
[11:23] <djm62> h36sa: she is who HIG are aimed at: scared to use things with funny names, scared to update windows because it's pirated, scared by the whole damn affair
[11:23] <h36sa> djm62: you think ubuntu is the answer?
[11:23] <gnomefreak> mwright1night: yes iirc
[11:23] <samuel_> ok it's asking for a password.... on installation it only asked me to create a user password, what is the root password ?
[11:23] <gnomefreak> user password
[11:23] <FlannelKing> !sudo
[11:23] <ubotu> By default, the root password is locked in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[11:23] <Mnemic> Guys, do u have any idea why my Sound card aint working ?
[11:24] <h36sa> sudo passwd root
[11:24] <h36sa> sudo su
[11:24] <djm62> h36sa: this is -offtopic, but using a computer is so damn painful for her, ubuntu would certainly be no worse, and probably much better, than XP
[11:24] <ompaul> samuel_, you can change the order of booting (open a terminal Applicaitons Accessories Terminal and then >>sudo  nano /boot/grub/menu.lst<< and there look for the word "default" it has a "0" opposite it change it something higher maybe 3 or 2  try rebooting it will sort that and she does not have to do anything
[11:24] <avs> gnomefreak: thanks, that worked. If I can't go over 1024x768, is that a monitor thing or graphics card? installed nvidia drivers but that didnt help
[11:24] <samuel_> thank you
[11:25] <h36sa> djm62: one problem is that, being clueless, she is going to need lots of support. and there are a LOT more people knowledgable in XP than in *ix
[11:25] <Mnemic> !sound
[11:25] <ubotu> [sound]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[11:25] <gnomefreak> avs: that could be any of the above ill have ubotu send you a link
[11:25] <gnomefreak> ubotu tell avs about fixres
[11:25] <avs> thanks
[11:25] <gnomefreak> yw
[11:26] <ompaul> !offtopic
[11:26] <ubotu> Non Ubuntu support related discussions may be carried out in #ubuntu-offtopic. Editor/Language wars are welcome there!
[11:26] <mrj> Can anyone explain how to change the name it shows for one of my mounted partitions?  All are normal (size then the word Volume,) except for one that says "r($course);"
[11:26] <h36sa> mrj: samba share?
[11:26] <h36sa> mrj: check the bottom of /etc/samba/smb.conf
[11:26] <mrj> h36sa:  Nope, just a regular partition (vfat)
[11:27] <h36sa> er?
[11:27] <silvaran> Is there a good util to share sets of folders (not an entire home directory) between two ubuntu installations, mirroring them and keeping them sync'd, even after a (12-24 hour) disconnect?
[11:27] <h36sa> they don't really have names
[11:27] <h36sa> just device and mount points
[11:27] <h36sa> silvaran: rsync
[11:27] <h36sa> but it's hard to configure
[11:28] <silvaran> The difficulty is I don't want to have to do it manually (cron's not enough), and if I'm connected, I want any changes on one machine to appear on the other immediately.
[11:28] <ruzgar> in gparted i cant change disc partitons it is always "locked"
[11:28] <fluoro> Hi guys, quick question: Is gcc-4.1 in Dapper?  I'm searching for it in synaptic and I can't find it.
[11:28] <ruzgar> can anyone help me
[11:28] <fluoro> But I see gcj-4.1, so I'm confused.
[11:28] <silvaran> rsync's not really peer-to-peer, it's more of a server->client / repository thing
[11:28] <Athirson> how do i complie a rpm
[11:29] <silvaran> fluoro: #ubuntu+1 might be a better place.
[11:29] <_jason> ruzgar: are the partitions mounted?
[11:29] <ruzgar> yes
[11:29] <Russel> hiho i have a problem with upgrading
[11:29] <ruzgar> when i right click them i only see "unmount" button
[11:29] <ruzgar> i open it with root user
[11:29] <Athirson> how do i complie a rpm package
[11:29] <_jason> ruzgar: unmount them or boot a livecd and use gparted from there
[11:29] <fluoro> silvaran: Thanks.
[11:29] <h36sa> silvaran: let me know if you figure something out
[11:29] <silvaran> h36sa: yah
[11:29] <ruzgar> hm ok i'll try
[11:29] <samuel_> I have been searching for an alternative to Windows for two years and ubuntu is the first distro that kicks ass!
[11:29] <_jason> Athirson: why?
[11:29] <fernashes> Athirson: use alien
[11:30] <Athirson> how
[11:30] <mrj> ruzgar:  the lock means they are mounted.  You can't mess with a mounted partition safely.  You should boot from a livecd and them make alterations to the drives while they are all unmounted.
[11:30] <Russel> i have a package that should be removed but the remove skript inside dpkg trhows an error at me... is it possible to delete the package from the deb list?
[11:30] <fernashes> first... sudo apt-get install alien
[11:30] <ruzgar> mrj i have only knoppix live cd
[11:30] <h36sa> samuel_: not quite the first :)
[11:30] <silvaran> Does ubuntu come with gfs?
[11:30] <ruzgar> how can i formak a harddisk with kde interface
[11:30] <mrj> ruzgar:  Thats ok, you can use any livecd with qtparted or gparted
[11:30] <_jason> Athirson: if it is in the repositories or avaiable as an ubuntu deb it is preferrable to using the rpm.  rpm's can break your system
[11:30] <fernashes> then... providing your terminal is already in the correct directory, e.g. desktop, sudo alien docname
[11:30] <joh6nn> where would i go to report that the dependencies for a package need to be updated?
[11:30] <mrj> rezgar:  qtparted
[11:30] <Superslash> Good Morning Ubuntunam! Having a hell of a time installing breezy badger 5.10, it works fine up until the partition manager and that works fine too. But it doesnt recognize that i've already formatted and partitioned the drive for winxp, and left about 80gigs of unformatted space for ubuntu to install to.
[11:30] <Athirson> thx
[11:31] <ruzgar> ok i'll try qtparted
[11:31] <fernashes> then ... sudo dkpg -i packagename.deb
[11:31] <Athirson> so how do i open deb files
[11:31] <fernashes> see my last comment
[11:31] <joh6nn> Superslash: define "doesn't recognize"
[11:31] <fernashes> then ... sudo dkpg -i packagename.deb
[11:32] <fernashes> Athirson: note that alien is fairly experimental, could be that it won't compile correctly.
[11:32] <samuel_> how do I convert my wife and children to ubuntu, they have a voice in their head that says "use windows or bill gates will kill you, and your life will turn to shit"
[11:32] <Athirson> ok
[11:32] <snowblink> samuel_, frozen bubble
[11:32] <NickGarve1> samuel_: dual boot
[11:32] <miro> e
[11:32] <NickGarve1> hahaha
[11:32] <NickGarve1> I love that game
[11:32] <fernashes> Athirson, good luck
[11:32] <Athirson> thnx
[11:32] <fernashes> samuel_, lol!
[11:32] <_jason> samuel_: install a virus on window?
[11:33] <Tiberian> wohoo :D Finally i made the screen!! :D
[11:33] <NickGarve1> haha samuel_, I know a way to force a blue screen
[11:33] <fernashes> samuel_, install Ubuntu with a dual boot, and the next time they use the computer, make sure Ubuntu is already booted and cofigured?
[11:33] <_jason> samuel_: seriously just exaplin to them what you like about it and let them try it
[11:33] <Tiberian> Ubugtu, sound asap :p
[11:33] <_jason> explain even
[11:33] <snowblink> samuel_, I'm actually being serious about frozen bubble BTW. It works on kids and adults very well
[11:33] <Tiberian> hm..
[11:34] <Tiberian> !sound
[11:34] <ubotu> [sound]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[11:34] <Bilange> i think samuel needs to install xgl/compiz on its ubuntu installation ;)
[11:34] <jdprc06> hey i need some help
[11:34] <samuel_> I dual boot, but when ubuntu is loaded they are like 'where is the any key?" and they freak out...
[11:34] <ompaul> Athirson, you install in ubuntu using syanptic and or apt-get - you need a repo called universe for that package the bot has told you what to do in order to improve your repos so that you may get up to 17500+ packages
[11:34] <cribbon> how do i remove a value from the system->prefs->sessions->autostart using only console commands?
[11:34] <_jason> samuel_: help them
[11:34] <fernashes> jdprc06, what's up?
[11:34] <jdprc06> I get this error when I try to update with apt-get E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[11:34] <jdprc06> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[11:35] <ispiked> jdprc06: sudo
[11:35] <kbrooks> jdprc06, sudo.
[11:35] <fernashes> have you got synapse open?
[11:35] <kbrooks> jdprc06, sudo apt-get update
[11:35] <_jason> cribbon: edit the file ~/.gnome2/session-manual
[11:35] <kbrooks> fernashes, read the error: no
[11:35] <jdprc06> nothing happens
[11:35] <fernashes> kbrooks, isn't that the same error that you get then ? ooh, oops, permission denied - so no. :)
[11:35] <joh6nn> jdprc06: you need to type "sudo apt-get update"
[11:35] <kbrooks> jdprc06, password.
[11:35] <diffuser78> hi
[11:36] <kbrooks> joh6nn, hint hint: wherer?'
[11:36] <jdprc06> nothing happens when i do sudo
[11:36] <diffuser78> hi _thumper_
[11:36] <samuel_> gnome look is a wicked site
[11:36] <joh6nn> kbrooks: err... what?
[11:36] <_jason> jdprc06: don't put sudo by itself, it precedes commands
[11:36] <jdprc06> i know
[11:36] <_jason> jdprc06: what does 'sudo echo hi' do?
[11:36] <jdprc06> joseph@UBUNTUJOey:~$ sudo apt-get autoclean
[11:37] <jdprc06> joseph is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[11:37] <jdprc06> i just added myself to the sudoers group
[11:37] <_jason> jdprc06: is this the user you created during install?
[11:37] <jdprc06> yeah but i used expert
[11:37] <peterx2> jdprc: maybe synaptic is open.
[11:37] <jdprc06> it's given me a lot of problems
[11:37] <_jason> jdprc06: paste what your /etc/sudoers looks like
[11:37] <_jason> jdprc06: on http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[11:38] <Bilange> peterx2: i think it would give him another error message, if synaptic was opened
[11:38] <davro> does any one know of a way to reload the .bashrc once it has been edited, without opening a new terminal ?bash reload ?
[11:38] <joh6nn> davro: "source .bashrc"
[11:38] <avs> hello, tried everything from the FixVideoResolutionHowto, but im still stuck with 1024x768
[11:38] <jdprc06> i can't access it
[11:38] <kbrooks> jdprc06, don't use expert unless you are on a server
[11:38] <cribbon> _jason, hrm, i cannot find the values i addes in ~.gnome2/session
[11:38] <_jason> jdprc06: su to root (type 'su')
[11:39] <cribbon> _jason, the file session-manual does not exist.
[11:39] <jdprc06> ok
[11:39] <GnarusLeo> avs, have you tried to set you res manually by edititing the /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[11:39] <fernashes> error for when synaptic or other apt-get is open: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[11:39] <fernashes> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[11:39] <jdprc06> that worked
[11:39] <avs> yep, been there done that
[11:39] <jdprc06> i can open synaptic now
[11:39] <peterx2> bilange: my eyes focus on the word locked.. just a possibility
[11:39] <yggdrasil> how can i format partition in fat32 .... mkfs.vfat /dev/hda7 ?
[11:39] <ompaul> fernashes, are you using synaptic or apt-get for anything else while your looking for it?
[11:39] <diffuser78> is this the best chat place
[11:40] <mwe> jdprc06: you need to be in the admin group and log out and back in or su - <user>
[11:40] <GnarusLeo> avs, the whole point is to add the proper resolutions to the file, so that gnome can "see" wich res. it can choose from ...
[11:40] <diffuser78> i am waiting for somebody here
[11:40] <_jason> diffuser78: no this is the best support place
[11:40] <lucas> command to check current network usage?
[11:40] <_jason> diffuser78: chat in #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:40] <avs> GnarusLeo
[11:40] <fernashes> ompaul, it's not a problem it was an example for the question what the error would look like if Synaptic was also open. :)
[11:40] <jdprc06> i am in admin
[11:40] <thomas`1> hello
[11:40] <diffuser78> i was waiting on a friend who said
[11:40] <jdprc06> i guess i'm not in sudoers
[11:40] <Russel> any list where apt stores the installed packages?
[11:40] <ompaul> fernashes, well ya had me fooled :0-
[11:40] <diffuser78> he will meet me in freenode
[11:40] <bsm> hi, when i boot ubuntu i get a filesystem check every time. it always fails at 10% and sends me to console, where i can go on booting with ctr+d. filesystem is clean when i run fsck from outside ubuntu, ideas anyone?
[11:40] <peterx2> jdprc06: isf you can open synaptic the sudo must be working.. suspect you can easily download from there.
[11:40] <_jason> jdprc06: did you put /etc/sudoers on http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ ?
[11:40] <DBO> erm, foomatic is asking me for my default keyring password, but I dont think I have one, what do I do
[11:40] <ompaul> fernashes, :-)
[11:40] <thomas`1> i need help fixing my gnome keyboard i set it to 104 instead of pc104 how can i fix?
[11:40] <fernashes> ompaul, thanks for wanting to help, though
[11:40] <diffuser78> is this ubuntu chat forum
[11:40] <ompaul> diffuser78, not in this channel
[11:40] <mwe> jdprc06: you need to be in the admin group
[11:41] <thomas`1> i cant type any letters in my account
[11:41] <jdprc06> i am in the admin group
[11:41] <fernashes> diffuser78,  this is the chat / support forum, for things on topic for ubuntu
[11:41] <thomas`1> so if i cna fix it its gotta be done thru terminal with root account
[11:41] <ompaul> diffuser78, chat in #ubuntu-offtopic this is a help channel
[11:41] <mwe> jdprc06: and you already were?
[11:41] <jdprc06> is this bad? (synaptic:8782): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_accel_label_set_accel_closure: assertion `gtk_accel_group_from_accel_closure (accel_closure) != NULL' failed
[11:41] <jdprc06> (synaptic:8782): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_accel_label_set_accel_closure: assertion `gtk_accel_group_from_accel_closure (accel_closure) != NULL' failed
[11:41] <jdprc06> (synaptic:8782): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_tree_view_unref_tree_helper: assertion `node != NULL' failed
[11:41] <diffuser78> ohh
[11:41] <Skwid_> hey !
[11:41] <avs> GnarusLeo: i did that, not too sure about my hsync and vsync, but they should be right
[11:41] <_jason> jdprc06: admin group only works in expert install if you fix /etc/sudoers
[11:41] <diffuser78> i am ubuntu user
[11:41] <diffuser78> from usa
[11:41] <jdprc06> ok
[11:41] <samuel_> what is the most popular gnome theme out there?
[11:41] <davro> joh6nn, cheers for that !
[11:41] <diffuser78> i love coding and was suppposed to meet a friend for python
[11:41] <Fire> is there a hq for dapper development?
[11:41] <_jason> samuel_: check gnome-look.org
[11:41] <joh6nn> davro: np
[11:41] <ompaul> diffuser78, okay I say one last time, please join the channel #ubuntu-offtopic this is not a chat channel
[11:42] <diffuser78> ok
[11:42] <diffuser78> thans
[11:42] <diffuser78> thanks
[11:42] <GnarusLeo> avs, 4:3 screen? Anyhow, Ill paste my xorg.conf file for you (though its WXGA) ... give me a sec
[11:42] <Athirson> how do i set icons from a program to my desktop
[11:42] <mwe> jdprc06: but can you get root access at all=
[11:42] <avs> GnarusLeo, 16:10 screen
[11:42] <jdprc06> yes
[11:42] <fernashes> samuel_, I prefer clear looks
[11:42] <jdprc06> in terminal
[11:42] <mwe> jdprc06: then as root type visudo
[11:43] <azurehuesofblue> Athirson, find the exec file and makelink... I think.
[11:43] <mwe> jdprc06: then add %admin  ALL=(ALL) ALL
[11:43] <thomas`1> scuse me what is the notepad editor in terminal mode? i cant use gedit
[11:43] <ompaul> Fire, go to the channel #ubuntu+1
[11:43] <Athirson> but i will do it on comandline interface
[11:43] <GnarusLeo> avs, ok, take a look here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10420
[11:43] <NickGarve1> thomas`1: gmacs or vi
[11:43] <thomas`1> k
[11:43] <fernashes> thomas`1, I;d say vim, since I know that's installed and it's my preference
[11:43] <thomas`1> cuz i need to fix my keyboard layout.. i cant type any letters inmy username account
[11:44] <thomas`1> i set it to 104 instead of pc104
[11:44] <thomas`1> and it just screwed...
[11:44] <fernashes> Athirson, is the program you want in the applications menu ?
[11:44] <thomas`1> need to edit gnome kbd somehow
[11:44] <shiv> how do I uninstall programs in wine after installing them?
[11:44] <jdprc06> do i need the %?
[11:44] <thomas`1> from here
[11:44] <_jason> jdprc06: yes
[11:44] <jdprc06> ok
[11:44] <joh6nn> thomas`1: i believe nano is configured by default, with a somewhat intuitive set of shortcuts and what not
[11:44] <ompaul> thomas`1, do this >>>sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg<<<
[11:44] <jdprc06> i added it under user privilege specification
[11:44] <jdprc06> how do i save this
[11:45] <thomas`1> k ill brb if i run into anything
[11:45] <jdprc06> just exit out?
[11:45] <mwe> jdprc06: visudo will only let you save the file if it doesn't have typos
[11:45] <jdprc06> ok but what command saves
[11:45] <_jason> jdprc06: if it opened in vim press ESC, ZZ.  If it was nano, ctrl-o and then ctrl-x
[11:45] <mwe> jdprc06: did you change $EDITOR?
[11:46] <GnarusLeo> why does not "cat /var/syslog > /dev/tty12 && echo" update itself? It just freeses (no update) .. is there a better way to echo the syslog in a tty?
[11:46] <jdprc06> ok i closed out
[11:46] <_jason> jdprc06: exit and try sudo again
[11:46] <mwe> jdprc06: did it save it?
[11:46] <jdprc06> yeah it's still in there
[11:46] <Russel> i want to remove a package, but the post-removal failes, anybody a solution?
[11:46] <jdprc06> yes! my sudo commands work
[11:46] <jdprc06> thank you
[11:47] <mwe> Russel: a simple solution is sometimes to reinstall it, then remove it
[11:47] <fernashes> Russel, how is it failing ?
[11:47] <jdprc06> but what are these errors? (synaptic:8988): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_accel_label_set_accel_closure: assertion `gtk_accel_group_from_accel_closure (accel_closure) != NULL' failed
[11:47] <jdprc06> (synaptic:8988): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_accel_label_set_accel_closure: assertion `gtk_accel_group_from_accel_closure (accel_closure) != NULL' failed
[11:47] <Russel> fernashes, it failes because it doesn't find a tool which is removed by dist-upgrade
[11:48] <mwe> jdprc06: now you can disable root login to increase security
[11:48] <fernashes> Russel: command line or synaptic?
[11:48] <Russel> try installing
[11:48] <Russel> fernashes, command line
[11:48] <jdprc06> in visudo?
[11:48] <jdprc06> i'm sorry. i'm quite a noob here
[11:49] <mwe> jdprc06: no
[11:49] <mwe> jdprc06: sudo passwd -l root
[11:49] <Tiberian> Guys, you have any idea why i don't have sound ? :)
[11:49] <mclamb> hi can you help me... I get this error with GnomeBaker -->  Error trying to open /dev/sg0 exclusively (Permission denied)
[11:49] <paradizelost> anyone know how to get rid of the damn Shift+Backspace that kills Xgl?
[11:49] <ompaul> Tiberian, what kind of sound card have you got
[11:49] <jdprc06> ok
[11:50] <jdprc06> now i don't have root access at all?
[11:50] <Russel> reinstalling doesn't work because initramfs tools depends on a higher kernel (which is installed but doesn't work)
[11:50] <mwe> jdprc06: yes with sudo
[11:50] <paradizelost> Also, how do i change the xterm background back to black?
[11:50] <mwe> jdprc06: sudo -i will give you a root prompt
[11:50] <fernashes> paradizelost: make a profile
[11:50] <Tiberian> ompaul, SB Audigy LS
[11:50] <jdprc06> ok
[11:50] <mwe> jdprc06: but you can't log in as root anymore
[11:50] <thegladiator> i am trying to write an ISO to a cd ... it says 100 % in k3b and is trying to "close session" but that is taking forever , what can I do to interupt this ?
[11:50] <paradizelost> fernashes: what do you mean by make a profile?
[11:50] <paradizelost> fernashes: what kind of profile?
[11:50] <jdprc06> thanks
[11:50] <_jason> jdprc06: you have to do one more thing if you want your recovery mode to work
[11:50] <jdprc06> ok
[11:50] <jdprc06> what?
[11:51] <mclamb> hi can you help me... I get this error with GnomeBaker -->  Error trying to open /dev/sg0 exclusively (Permission denied)
[11:51] <_jason> jdprc06: change the password field in /etc/shadow to '*' without the quotes
[11:51] <_jason> jdprc06: for root of course
[11:51] <fernashes> paradizelost: start xterm, file -> new profile. Enter profile name -> ok. Then you'll be in a config screen for the color schemes and such
[11:51] <mwe> _jason: so what does that do?
[11:51] <thegladiator> i am trying to write an ISO to a cd ... it says 100 % in k3b and is trying to "close session" but that is taking forever , what can I do to interupt this ?
[11:51] <paradizelost> fernashes: xterm doesn't have a file menu
[11:52] <ompaul> Tiberian, ooch, it has been a "horrible" card to work with, for starters double click on the "speaker" icon on the top of your screen
[11:52] <ompaul> Tiberian, second check nothing is muted (and believe me something is)
[11:52] <fernashes> paradizelost: sorry, was thinking of Gnome terminal.
[11:52] <Tiberian> ompaul, trust me... it's not :P~
[11:52] <avs> GnarusLeo: thanks, now ive got my 1680x1050 running at 1280x768, thats a start. I think the problem is in modeline. what exactly goes in there?
[11:52] <ompaul> Tiberian, the other way to do this is to type this in a terminal
[11:52] <_jason> mwe: passwd -l gives root a password that can't be entered.  When you try to enter recovery mode it will prompt you for that password.  Of course, you can't enter it!  This brings it back to normal so that it just brings up the root prompt without requiring a password
[11:53] <_jason> mwe, jdprc06: it's explained in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[11:53] <fernashes> paradizelost: are you using xterm as extra program or do you mean tty1 etc?
[11:53] <paradizelost> _jason: try this.  at your grub prompt, append to the end of the kernel line    init=/bin/bash
[11:53] <paradizelost> fernashes: i mean alt+f2 xterm
[11:53] <Russel> argh big problem: i use an older kernel (2.6.8) and initramfs-tools want a new kernel, but i can't install a new kernel because initramfs-tools aren't properly installed
[11:53] <thegladiator> i am trying to write an ISO to a cd ... it says 100 % in k3b and is trying to "close session" but that is taking forever , what can I do to interupt this ?
[11:53] <GnarusLeo> avs, im not really sure, but you should consider setting these settings in the "dbpk-reconfigure xorg-server" advance option
[11:53] <paradizelost> _jason: then boot, it will take you to a bash shell
[11:54] <paradizelost> then you mount -o remount,rw /
[11:54] <_jason> paradizelost: yep, works too
[11:54] <ompaul> Tiberian, alsamixer and play with that again looking for something muted
[11:54] <thegladiator> i think I am going to close the program and see
[11:54] <_jason> paradizelost: I'm set, I was just exaplining
[11:54] <paradizelost> then type in /usr/bin/passwd
[11:54] <_jason> explaining even
[11:54] <paradizelost> k
[11:54] <paradizelost> ahh k
[11:54] <avs> GnarusLeo: ok, ill do that. does your temperatur monitor work in the nvidia util?
[11:54] <ubushine> hello world
[11:54] <GnarusLeo> avs, as you can see, im using ATI's fglrx
[11:54] <_jason> ubushine: hello
[11:54] <paradizelost> fernashes: i've got Xgl w/ compiz up and running, but it changed the background of the xterms to white.
[11:54] <fernashes> paradizelost: ah, ok. not sure
[11:55] <avs> GnarusLeo: whoops, that was another xorg.conf i was looking at, sorry
[11:55] <fernashes> paradizelost: sorry, over my head
[11:55] <ubushine> anyone using enligtenment? e16 or e17?
[11:55] <paradizelost> fernashes: Ok.  i kinda figured it might be a bit of a toughy
[11:55] <GnarusLeo> avs :)
[11:55] <paradizelost> fernashes: you know where i can change the Shift+backspace that kills X now that Xgl is running?
[11:55] <fernashes> paradizelost: I've seen it mentioned on the starters guide for Ubuntu
[11:56] <h36sa> paradizelost: ctrl+alt+backspace ?
[11:56] <davro> join #lugradio
[11:56] <paradizelost> h36sa: no, now that i'm running Xgl, shift backspace does that as well.
[11:56] <paradizelost> h36sa: and i don't know how to change the behavior
[11:56] <h36sa> lame
[11:56] <h36sa> you in gnome?
[11:56] <paradizelost> yep
[11:57] <h36sa> it might be a gnome key binding..
[11:57] <h36sa> probably not but worth a shot
[11:57] <Tiberian> ompaul, 1) Im sure it's nothing muted.. 2) dont have alsamix... [ o_O ??? ]
[11:57] <RageMax> anyone know what the package name for the fluendo gstreamer mp3 plugin is?
[11:57] <RageMax> on dapper drake that is
[11:57] <paradizelost> can't find anything in gconf-editor
[11:57] <fernashes> RageMax: apt-cache search fluendo ... ?
[11:57] <RageMax> did that
[11:57] <RageMax> only came up with the fluendo server
[11:58] <paradizelost> well, i suppose i should get going to the bar.  it may help me think
[11:58] <ompaul> Tiberian, its one of those cards it is muted - simple - and alsamixer << is the command
[11:58] <fernashes> RageMax: you've got all the standard repositories ?
[11:58] <paradizelost> see ya all later
[11:59] <Superslash> Anyone here good with partitions? Breezy Badger 5.10 doesnt recognize my drive as being already formatted and partitioned (with about 80gigs of unformatted space in a partition just for ubuntu). It just shows a single unformatted 200gig hdd
[11:59] <rysiek|pl> guys, anybody knows where I can disable the autostarting of Konqueror and/or KsCD upon inserting a CD/inserting an USB pendrive? (in Breezy/KDE3.4.3)
[11:59] <zF> What's the deb for mplayer in mozilla?
[11:59] <zF> I forgot the name
[11:59] <jdprc06> in etc/shadow, is everything following 'root : ' the password?


[06:42] <linuxtech> jose: Today the calendar showed Juju Charm School at http://ubuntuonair.com/calendar/ and that didn't happen...  marcoceppi pointed me to https://juju.ubuntu.com/events/ to find the upcoming events.
[06:42] <linuxtech> jose: Jono Bacon @ home is listed at  http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/ on Wednesdays and the details link shows it being hosted on Ustream, and it is no longer broadcast here.  Can you fix that one also?
[06:43] <linuxtech> s/here/there/
[12:58] <daker> smartboyhw: congrats for joining the kubuntu dev team
[13:18] <jose> linuxtech: thank you for the details. I needed the heads-up on the charm school time change, and about Jono's one, it's being hosted at ubuntuonair :)
[13:20] <jose> marcoceppi: are you still hosting the ubuntuonair sessions regularly? and are you doing it on #juju or #ubuntu-on-air? the latter has a questions bot
[15:55] <marcoceppi> jose: we do them every two weeks, directing everyone to go to #juju
[15:55] <marcoceppi> jose: we rarely get questions, so we don't need a question bot per se
[15:56] <jose> ok, so I'll change the channel to #juju and make sure webchat is set to #juju before leaving for school on fridays :)
[15:56] <marcoceppi> jose: thanks!
[15:57] <jose> sure :)
[16:04] <chilicuil> happy ubuntu global jam =D
[16:05] <smartboyhw> Happy Ubuntu Global Jam indeed
[16:05] <chilicuil> smartboyhw: =)
[16:11] <SergioMeneses> chilicuil, smartboyhw \o/
[16:11] <chilicuil> SergioMeneses: =D
[16:22] <SergioMeneses> chilicuil, smartboyhw  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20130914#preview
[16:22] <chilicuil> SergioMeneses: yep, we've work to do!
[16:23] <SergioMeneses> I think so
[16:58] <AskUbuntu> Community Not There | http://askubuntu.com/q/345531


[02:27] <az7> chat night!
[02:37] <TommyT> If I start the meetup and have to go, will it die when I leave?
[02:37] <TommyT> hangout
[02:37] <az7> good question?
[02:37] <TommyT> I guess I can try
[02:39] <TommyT> well, I started it but I don't know how to tell people where it is. I guess my G+ address
[02:39] <TommyT> which is https://plus.google.com/105934210296246902882/ ?
[02:40] <az7> I may just do IRC tonight. I'm kind of awayish.
[02:43] <az7> did you give a VOIP presentation at barcamp Conway?
[02:43] <TommyT> Yes that was me... I hadn't realized how very rusty I've gotten at presenting
[02:45] <TommyT> I have had some strange issues with VoIP that I finally tracked down to Tomato (router software) I think
[02:45] <az7> nah, there was a lot of good information in it.
[02:46] <TommyT> thanks...  Hmmmm I wonder if I can make IRC and Google chat show up together somehow
[02:48] <az7> hey hey
[02:48] <kwadroke> hey
[02:49] <Startrekker> hello
[02:51] <TommyT> my sound went out
[02:52] <TommyT> I am on a different machine this week but having sound trouble again
[02:55] <kwadroke> I'm working on several things at once and on 3 different channels, so I won't be joining the hangout
[02:55] <Startrekker> I don't see the hangout just your profile
[02:55] <TommyT> It's pretty uninteresting ... some guy in front of some boxes typing and no sound
[02:56] <TommyT> do you have to make the hangout "public" somehow?
[02:56] <Startrekker> Maybe otherwise you'll have to be friends with them and add your friends group
[02:57] <kwadroke> don't think you have to
[02:57] <TommyT> when you look at my profile, is there a little camera and "LIVE" below me?
[02:58] <kwadroke> got a join this hangout
[02:58] <TommyT> weird...
[02:58] <TommyT> I don't know how to work this, obviously
[02:58] <Startrekker> there is now
[02:59] <TommyT> It kept warning me about not sharing with just anybody. I guess they don't want it to become "chat roulette" or something
[02:59] <Startrekker> Have to install some plugins
[03:00] <TommyT> Yeah, and then be sure to test your sound... mine quit after I started up Pidgin
[03:01] <kwadroke> It's got the live icon
[03:01] <kwadroke> don't have a mic and webcam tonight
[03:01] <TommyT> I'm here in living color and mute.
[03:01] <TommyT> Or maybe not-so-living color. Looks dark
[03:02] <Startrekker> no video for me....
[03:13] <TommyT> OK Daniel and I hung out briefly but I got the "time to go" text from the house so I'll shut down in a couple of minutes
[03:13] <TommyT> We were finding that the volume control adjusted itself upwards (on both ends) until the echo was pretty bad
[03:14] <Startrekker> Going to try a headset next time
[03:14] <TommyT> a headset would be good...
[03:15] <TommyT> This webcam has a mic on it and I don't really know how good it is
[03:21] <kwadroke> I usually have better luck with webcam mics than onboard mics
[03:27] <TommyT> It may be too far from me... it's about 3.5ft back
[03:56] <TommyT> Good night, all. I'm an hour late leaving the office. Sadly it's typical.