[20:08] <filipsohajek> Hi, can you please set status of bug to triaged and importance to high? Thanks https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcre3/+bug/1361610


[02:15] <tsimonq2> is anyone else not able to access wiki.ubuntu.com?
[02:16] <tsimonq2> weird
[02:16] <tsimonq2> in Incognito it works
[02:17] <tsimonq2> I just had to clear Cached images and files
[09:19] <ancaemanuel> Hi, can someone look at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#apt ?
[09:33] <ancaemanuel> https://juliank.wordpress.com/2015/12/30/apt-1-1-8-to-1-1-10-going-faster
[10:09] <ancaemanuel> retry test on autopkgtest on amd64: "ERROR: testbed failure"<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:12] <ogra_> ancaemanuel, canonical shuts down from before christmas to new year every year ... will be a matter of luck to find someone willing to work on that during the holidays
[12:08] <juliank> Oh no, autopkgtest seems to have a regression. This seems to be blocking apt 1.1.10 from migrating to release.
[12:08] <juliank> It does not seem to be caused by the APT upload, though
[12:24] <cjwatson> ancaemanuel,juliank: retried
[12:39] <cjwatson> ancaemanuel: by the way, regarding your suggestion from the other day, most of our builders already automatically boot from fresh images for every build.  when you see a load of them disabled, that's typically because the automation infrastructure has failed in some way.  (fortunately it's usually transient ...)
[12:40] <cjwatson> ancaemanuel: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2014/10/30/scalingstack-2x-performance-in-launchpads-build-farm-with-openstack/ roughly describes the current setup
[12:55] <juliank> cjwatson: Thanks, that seems to have worked, apt is now migrating.
[13:42] <cjwatson> juliank: ah good
[13:56] <ancaemanuel> thanks, tested apt 1.1.10. More speed :)
[14:12] <cjwatson> Right, I think now would be a decent time for a mass give-back
[14:16] <cjwatson> There, that'll give the builders something to chew on today
[15:16] <jack098> hi
[15:16] <jack098> hello what you all discuss here
[15:26] <ricotz> cjwatson, hi, there is a newer "autoconf-archive" maybe you could push this to debian and sync it back https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+sourcepub/5781882/+listing-archive-extra
[15:54] <cjwatson> ricotz: um, I'm not the autoconf-archive maintainer
[15:54] <cjwatson> ricotz: so no, ask somebody else :-)
[16:05] <ricotz> cjwatson, alright ;)
[19:00] <bluefoxxx> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/RemoveOldKernels this giving an ISE for anyone else?
[19:00] <teward> bluefoxxx: by ISE i assume you mean a 500 error?
[19:00] <teward> ooop yes confirmed, internal serv. error
[19:01] <bluefoxxx> k
[19:02] <bluefoxxx> 23.04 Ubuntu Libidinous Lagomorph?
[20:02] <bluefoxxx> Ian Murdock is dead?
[20:02] <Unit193> Yes, https://bits.debian.org/2015/12/mourning-ian-murdock.html
[20:04] <bluefoxxx> no information on how he died
[20:05] <teward> bluefoxxx: might be being kept secret for now at the family's request?
[20:05] <maswan> I stopped speculating after the family called for privacy, but it seems like lots of parts of the internet is going at that
[20:05] <maswan> which is kind of sad, so I think I'm going to head off and call it a night
[20:05] <bluefoxxx> does privacy mean sabdfl won't be arriving at the funeral in a flying tesla to give his respects?
[20:10] <bluefoxxx> o.o oh.  Shit.  That was unexpected.
[20:10] <bluefoxxx> Well I have nothing to say about this.
[23:10] <hzut> hi
[23:10] <hzut> please
[23:10] <hzut> each clic on middle button copy twice instead of one!
[23:16] <hzut> i installed ubuntu on my mac - what is the best thing to do with keyboard and trackpad?
[23:18] <dobey> #ubuntu is the help channel


[15:10] <Jemt_> Hello. Can someone tell me how to make isolinux/gfxboot NOT auto-open the language menu? I want it to default to English
[15:11] <Jemt> Hello. Can someone tell me how to make isolinux/gfxboot NOT auto-open the language menu? I want it to default to English
[23:54] <cjwatson> JanC: create an /isolinux/lang file on the CD that just contains 'en' (without the quotes)
[23:54] <cjwatson> err
[23:54] <cjwatson> drat, sorry, that was for Jemt who left
[23:54] <cjwatson> silly people who can't be bothered to wait for answers
[23:54]  * cjwatson eyes the topic ...


[03:31] <fbc> what is the recommeded note taking app for xubuntu? and how do you load it?
[03:33] <cody-somerville> fbc, there is a notes panel applet
[03:33] <cody-somerville> right click the panel and click add
[03:33] <cody-somerville> and select the appropriate applet from the dialogue box
[03:33] <fbc> got it... thanks..
[03:51] <maxamillion> cody-somerville: hi hi :)
[03:51] <maxamillion> cody-somerville: long time no speak
[04:35] <pkodon> Okay, I have this little 6G drive I want to put some sstuff I downloaded on, so I can put it in my Win98SE machine and have the stuff available to Windows on that machine. I created a FAT32 partition using the entire disk space. I created a /media/PC1 directory as a mountpoint for it, but when I go into a root shell and try to mount it, using "mount -t fat32 /dev/sdc1 /media/PC1", I'm told there's no such file system as "fat32".
[04:38] <pkodon> Anyone know what's going on there?
[04:43] <pkodon> Okay, I have this little 6G drive I want to put some sstuff I downloaded on, so I can put it in my Win98SE machine and have the stuff available to Windows on that machine. I created a FAT32 partition using the entire disk space. I created a /media/PC1 directory as a mountpoint for it, but when I go into a root shell and try to mount it, using "mount -t fat32 /dev/sdc1 /media/PC1", I'm told there's no such file system as "fat32".
[04:43] <pkodon> (Second try.)
[04:46] <pkodon> This is weird. I can join this channel, but #kubuntu and #ubuntu seem to be missing or empty.
[04:47] <pkodon> Oh, there's #kubuntu.
[05:32] <tajlero> hello
[05:33] <tajlero> how can I use wine with root without changing it to root priviages cause in order to install portable apps with wine on my usb key I have to use root access in order to do it or I get an error
[05:33] <tajlero> it says wine is not owned by me
[05:33] <tajlero> I know how to change ownership
[05:34] <tajlero> so that it is owned by root
[05:34] <tajlero> but I do not think that is very safe to do
[05:34] <tajlero> so you any of you guys have an idea of what I could do?
[05:53] <source> tajlero, sudo wine
[05:59] <tajlero> that is what I do source
[05:59] <tajlero> it tells me that I can not because it is not owned by me
[06:13] <source> tajlero, sudo su
[06:13] <source> then
[06:13] <source> wine
[06:14] <source> or
[06:14] <source> gksu wine
[06:16] <tajlero> I Know source
[06:16] <tajlero> I used sudo and it told me I cannot because it is not owned by me
[06:16] <source> anythings works?
[08:48] <|ntegra|> How can I restart my sound? I play a song in xmms (etc) and then have no sound in youtube
[08:49] <|ntegra|> until I reboot
[09:25] <|ntegra|> well, does anyone wanna talk some?
[09:27] <knome> |ntegra|, 'sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart' might work, but this situation shouldn't happen in the first place
[09:30] <|ntegra|> knome: thanx but that didn't work
[09:31] <|ntegra|> I might have to restart x ithink, I've posted on the forums and'll wait as long as it takes
[09:31] <knome> |ntegra|, see the second comment; http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2742327
[09:32] <|ntegra|> shot will do
[09:37] <|ntegra|> o i c
[09:38] <|ntegra|> I've $lsof | grep /dev/snd  ,,and I get xfce4-mix and controlC0
[09:38] <|ntegra|> lets kill something
[09:44] <|ntegra|> damnit, no luck there, but I've still got xmms so sweet
[09:44] <skymebill> hello a good player for mp3?
[09:44] <|ntegra|> xmms
[09:45] <knome> skymebill, depends on what you want.
[09:45] <knome> skymebill, light player? possibility to connect to ipod? networked listening?
[09:47] <TheSheep> xmms is ancient
[09:47] <|ntegra|> really?
[09:47] <TheSheep> use audacious :)
[09:48] <|ntegra|> trudat, for the library scan
[09:48] <|ntegra|> TheSheep: can you skin audacious wikidly yet though?
[09:49] <skymebill> to work good with xfce
[09:50] <|ntegra|> audacious
[09:51] <|ntegra|> http://www.linuxr.com/2007/09/changing-skins-for-audacious.html shux you can use winamp skins >cool
[09:52] <|ntegra|> TheSheep: do you use winamp 5 skins or what?
[09:57] <skymebill> i select mp3's  press "enter" but nothing happen...
[09:59] <|ntegra|> haha
[10:00] <|ntegra|> ubuntu doesn't come with mp3 playing codecs, you'll have to download them
[10:00] <|ntegra|> !mp3 skymebill
[10:00] <|ntegra|> !pm3
[10:00] <|ntegra|> !mp3
[10:00] <|ntegra|> lol
[10:08] <Araneidae> I've noticed that my xubuntu desktop has the really bad habit of restarting lots of programs that were running the last time I exited.  Can I suppress this behaviour?
[10:09] <knome> !session
[10:09] <knome> forget that.
[10:09] <knome> Araneidae, when you log out, you see a tickbox to save your session
[10:09] <knome> Araneidae, log out once with no programs running and that box selected
[10:10] <knome> Araneidae, after that, uncheck the box
[10:10] <Araneidae> Thanks, I'd never noticed that
[10:11] <Araneidae> Do you know where that information is actually stored?  In a hidden file somewhere, I guess...
[10:12] <knome> Araneidae, i'm not sure.
[10:13] <Araneidae> I've got far too many . files in my root -- I've tried gnome (ubuntu), kde, and now xfce.  Finding Ubuntu a bit too bloated for my taste now... can't find anything!
[10:13] <knome> you mean your home?
[10:14] <Araneidae> Yes, I mean `ls -A ~`
[10:14] <Araneidae> http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/ looks like a good starting place, I guess
[10:17] <Araneidae> Are there any howtos for getting rid of all the unnecessary gnome and kde residue on my system?  (I started with Ubuntu, installed kde-desktop and then xfce-desktop, now I guess I'm running a hybrid xubunut!)
[10:17] <knome> !purexfce | Araneidae
[10:18] <Araneidae> Wow!
[13:05] <armadillio> anyone know how to do a shared internet connection between a wireless and ethernet?
[13:10] <DaDa|Urka> network-bridge?
[13:20] <armadillio> yea
[13:26]  * DaDa|Urka is away: Fott!
[13:27]  * DaDa|Urka is back (gone 00:00:04)
[13:27]  * DaDa|Urka is away: Fott!
[13:27]  * DaDa|Urka is away: Fott!
[13:27]  * DaDa|Urka is away: Fott!
[13:27]  * DaDa|Urka is away: Fott!
[14:24] <simo_> hello all, can any1 plz help me with xubuntu panel problem?
[14:26] <knome> !ask | simo_
[14:26] <simo_> sorry about that
[14:27] <simo_> I tried to customize my Xubuntu panel so i tried to move around my icons, the prob is that I cannot place my icons wherever I want, they all stack up on the left side one by one
[14:28] <simo_> I am quite a newb so please help me out
[14:30] <knome> simo_, add a new "Separator or Spacing" item to panel and select "Expand" in the opening window. you can unselect "Draw Separator" if you don't want it.
[14:33] <knome> simo_, after you have that, the icons can be on both sides of the separator
[14:35] <simo_> knome, I think its working
[14:35] <simo_> let me try it out some more and I'll let you know.
[14:36] <simo_> knome, thanx a lot man it does exactly what I was looking for
[14:37] <simo_> Have a great day
[15:47] <tajlero> respect
[15:47] <tajlero> your
[15:47] <tajlero> inna nigga
[15:47] <tajlero> for real
[15:51] <cody-somerville> tajlero, thats not appropriate
[15:59] <tajlero> what
[15:59] <tajlero> how so
[15:59] <tajlero> do you not respect ah brother cody-somerville ?
[15:59] <tajlero> are you racist ?
[15:59] <tajlero> is it because I am BLACK
[16:06] <cody-somerville> This channel is for support tajlero
[16:10] <tajlero> I see
[16:10] <tajlero> you be haten the black man
[16:10] <knome> tajlero, #xubuntu-offtopic for other than support discussions.
[16:10] <knome> tajlero, this is nothing about your race, gender or anything.
[16:39] <flammenwurfer> Is there a reason that "cat cpuinfo" says my cpu is running at 1000 Mhz when it's supposed to be a 2.5 Ghz cpu?
[16:42] <cody-somerville> flammenwurfer, is it a laptop?
[16:42] <cody-somerville> or dual core?
[16:46] <flammenwurfer> it's a desktop, yes, it's a dual core amd athlon 4850e
[16:46] <flammenwurfer> 2.5 Ghz dual core
[16:46] <flammenwurfer> when I do cat cpuinfo it says both cores are 1000 Mhz
[16:50] <knome> flammenwurfer, cat just prints the contents of cpuinfo.
[16:51] <cody-somerville> flammenwurfer, probably has to do with something regarding its energy efficiency
[16:51] <flammenwurfer> yeah, that makes sense
[16:51] <flammenwurfer> is there any other way in xubuntu that I can see more detailed info abut my processor?
[16:53] <cody-somerville> http://linuxshellaccount.blogspot.com/2008/11/getting-cpu-information-from-various.html
[16:54] <cody-somerville> You might also look at the sysstat package
[16:54] <cody-somerville> !sysstat
[16:54] <cody-somerville> !info sysstat
[16:57] <flammenwurfer> i just installed sysinfo and it shows me some info
[16:57] <flammenwurfer> about the cpu and memory and mobo etc..
[16:58] <flammenwurfer> So, I'm guessing it must be a setting I need to change in the BIOS
[17:07] <spasticteapot> I have a very strange problem: While my PC will recognize everything from my Unreal Tournament Deluxe DVD to my burned CD of Terry Pratchett PDFs, it won't mount my Ben Folds CD.
[17:07] <pkodon> Okay, now that I'm back online, let me try this question again.
[17:08] <spasticteapot> Hmm...that's odd.
[17:08] <spasticteapot> I can play my CD through the default XFCE music player, but I can't find it via Nautilus or import them via Rythmbox.
[17:09] <knome> spasticteapot, maybe it has some kind of copy protection?
[17:09] <pkodon> I noticed the question about "cat cpuspeed" or something like that, (if someone can tell me what it was, I'd apreciate it...
[17:09] <spasticteapot> It says "recorded in 1996".
[17:09] <spasticteapot> CD-RWs cost maybe $25.
[17:10] <knome> spasticteapot, that doesn't justify anything, but ok.
[17:10] <pkodon> Anyway, whatever it was, I tried it in a shell, and got back a response that there was no such directory as "cpu...".
[17:10] <spasticteapot> knome: What do you mean "That doesn't justify anything?"
[17:10] <spasticteapot> I paid for the CD, fair and square.
[17:10] <pkodon> The help in the shell for "cat" says it's for joining files.
[17:10] <knome> spasticteapot, well even if it was recorded in 1996, it doesn't mean it couldn't have a copy protection :)
[17:10] <pkodon> So, what was this person using to find out his CPU info?
[17:11] <spasticteapot> knome: Weird.
[17:11] <flammenwurfer> that was me
[17:11] <pkodon> flammenwurfer: Ahh, yes, now I remember the nick.
[17:11] <flammenwurfer> pkodon, I have an AMD 4850e that is supposed to be 2.5 Ghz but is reporting as 1000 Mhz
[17:11] <charlie-tca> pkodon: | !info sysstat
[17:12] <spasticteapot> flammenwurfer: Don't those have CPU throttling?
[17:12] <charlie-tca> !info sysstat | pkodon
[17:12] <spasticteapot> Clock speed varies with load, IIRC.
[17:12] <flammenwurfer> I think so, but I'm encoding a video and both cores are at 90-100% load and it's still saying 1000Mhz
[17:12] <pkodon> charlie-tca: Thanks.
[17:13] <spasticteapot> Does anyone know where Ubuntu puts CDs in the filesystem?
[17:13] <charlie-tca> no problem.
[17:13] <flammenwurfer> /dev/Scd0?
[17:13] <pkodon> spasticteapot: Have you looked in /media?
[17:14] <knome> spasticteapot, /media/cdrom is the default place.
[17:14] <spasticteapot> It's empty.
[17:17] <flammenwurfer> did you try mounting it manually?
[17:20] <pkodon> !info atsar
[17:20] <Kiption> it's an audio cd?
[17:22] <spasticteapot> Does anyone here know anything about the Listen music player?
[17:23] <spasticteapot> Whenever I insert a CD I can't find it in the filesystem, and Rythmbox can't find it either, but the Listen player (the default for Xubuntu) pops up and offers to play or rip it.
[17:23] <spasticteapot> WTF?
[17:23] <charlie-tca> Listen is the default player in Xubuntu
[17:23] <pkodon> !info catfish
[17:24] <cody-somerville> spasticteapot, is that nice? :)
[17:26] <pkodon> spasticteapot: You can probably change which program pops up in the default programs section of the Settings Manager.
[17:27] <knome> my default app for audio cds is grip ;)
[17:28] <flammenwurfer> nope, that only gives you options to change the default browser, mail app and terminal emulator
[17:28] <pkodon> spasticteapot: Oops, try the Multimedia tab under removeable media in the Settings Manager.
[17:30] <pkodon> flammenwurfer: Yeah, I went to look, then checked the removable media section.
[17:30] <flammenwurfer> hey, thanks pkodon, I've been wondering where those options were
[17:31] <pkodon> flammenwurfer: Well, I just keep poking my nose around and eventually I find things.
[17:31] <knome> pkodon, nose? ouch.
[17:31] <knome> pkodon, and eww. ;P
[17:31] <pkodon> knome: You know what I mean.
[17:31] <flammenwurfer> yeah, I usually do to, I just hadn't thought to look there yet
[17:31] <spasticteapot> Rhythmbox seems to be broken.
[17:32] <knome> pkodon, O;)
[17:32] <flammenwurfer> I use Amarok for all my music playing.  I've tried many other programs but Amarok is still the only one that will let me setup my podcasts the way I want to
[17:32] <spasticteapot> (rhythmbox:6907): Gtk-WARNING **: AudioCdSourcePopupCopyCd: missing action MusicAudioCDDuplicate
[17:34] <pkodon> knome: You know, I installed this fancy set of animated emoticons in Kopete, but you just sent me two that it doesn
[17:34] <knome> pkodon, aww ;> even my irssi supports those ;)
[17:34] <pkodon> knome: Er, doesn't recognize as such.
[17:35] <knome> pkodon, not animated though but...
[17:36] <pkodon> Well, I'm going to have to find out some more about IM/IRC programs. I don't like Pidgin because it doesn't support "buzz" in IM, but Kopete seems to open every conversation in a new window, instead of a new tab in the main window.
[17:37] <flammenwurfer> what do you mean "buzz?
[17:37] <knome> pkodon, you shouldn't. irssi is for major geeks who like text-based software ;)
[17:37] <knome> flammenwurfer, wake up? prod?
[17:37] <flammenwurfer> ah
[17:58] <pkodon> Hmm. I installed that sysstat package with apt-get, and now bash says there is no such command.
[17:59] <knome> package doesn't necessarily install executable named $[PACKAGE_NAME]
[18:00] <pkodon> knome: Oh. That doesn't help when it doesn't put an icon anywhere in the menus.
[18:01] <tajlero> HELLO
[18:01] <tajlero> JELLO
[18:01] <tajlero> FELLO
[18:01] <tajlero> KELLO
[18:01] <tajlero> saluton
[18:01] <tajlero> kiel ciuj fartas?
[18:02] <spasticteapot> I wonder if Exaile will work?
[18:02] <tajlero> no go
[18:02] <tajlero> it will FAIL
[18:02] <knome> tajlero, please, stop now.
[18:02] <knome> spasticteapot, it works.
[18:02] <pkodon> !info sysstat
[18:02] <knome> spasticteapot, i don't know whether it can access the cd you're trying to.
[18:03] <spasticteapot> The problem seems primarily to be with Rythmbox.
[18:03] <spasticteapot> Whenever I run Rhythmbox under Ubuntu, I get this error message:  Gtk-WARNING **: AudioCdSourcePopupCopyCd: missing action MusicAudioCDDuplicate
[18:03] <pkodon> knome: I take it those three names are the actual programs (sar, iostat and mpstat)?
[18:03] <spasticteapot> Apparently it's a registered bug.
[18:03] <knome> pkodon, yes
[18:06] <pkodon> knome: Hmm, sar returns: Cannot open /var/log/sysstat/sa17: No such file or directory
[18:06] <knome> pkodon, you might need to run with sudo
[18:07] <pkodon> I get the same thing.
[18:07] <knome> pkodon, oh... i don't know sar/sysstat, sorry :(
[18:08] <pkodon> knome: That's okay. :(
[18:08] <knome> pkodon, maybe ask #ubuntu, because individual packages are never xubuntu-specific
[18:08] <j4nh12r> anyone using xubuntu on a thinkpad x23 ?
[18:10] <pkodon> knome: Yeah, I've noticed that, even though I have Xfce as my UI, shell-based programs are UI independend, and even the ones that use KDE/Gnome can be run in Xfce.
[18:10] <knome> pkodon, that concerns also gui programs. any program in *buntu* repository can be run in xfce, kde or gnome
[18:12] <pkodon> I had installed a desktop called openGUE or something like that, which claimed to be more efficient than Xfce, but was some combination of Gnome and Enlightenment.
[18:12] <pkodon> openGEU, that is.
[18:13] <knome> pkodon, the problem with many "light" window managers are that they miss functionality, are somewhat fuzzy if you're not familiar with them and that they can have a very small dev group (even one person) which makes the progress really slow.
[18:14] <knome> pkodon, and slow progress many times get people copying code from other projects and that becomes really soon a big mess.
[18:15] <knome> pkodon, not that you always should reinvent the wheel :)
[18:15] <knome> pkodon, and efficiency is not (only) cpu and/or memory efficiency
[18:39] <spasticteapot> Does anyone here use Rhythmbox with Xubuntu?
[18:39] <spasticteapot> It worked before, and now it just stopped!
[18:39] <spasticteapot> WTF?
[18:52] <cody-somerville> spasticteapot, Lets avoid that acronym :)
[19:11] <tajlero> help http://pastebin.ca/raw/1311022
[19:35] <Pres-Gas> *sigh* My delicious bookmarks are getting out of hand
[19:38] <fbc> how do you unmout a volume with having remount again automatically?
[19:52] <charlie-tca> fbc: It is probably in /etc/fstab if it mounts at boot. just comment it in fstab if it is not needed to boot
[20:04] <paulievox> Hi there,
[20:04] <paulievox> quick question about routing
[20:05] <paulievox> I'm running Zoneminder (linux security camera platform) on an Intrepid 8.1 PC (xubuntu)
[20:05] <paulievox> with two NIC cards. I have 6 "IP" security cameras, which i placed
[20:05] <paulievox> on their own network (10.0.1.x) with its own router.
[20:05] <paulievox> The "Front Of House" connection lives on a 192.168.1.x network
[20:05] <paulievox> with its own router.
[20:05] <paulievox> Currently i'm bridging the connections on the Linux PC,
[20:05] <paulievox> by setting the secondary NIC card up with a 10.0.1.x address,
[20:05] <paulievox> but entering <IP_ADDRESS> for the gateway (the only way it seems
[20:05] <paulievox> to work).
[20:05] <paulievox> I found that by separating the cameras from my FOH connection,
[20:05] <paulievox> i don't run into bandwidth problems (they're greedy devils).
[20:05] <paulievox> Pardon my ignorance, but is there a more streamlined way to
[20:05] <paulievox> set this up? Should I include a static route on the <IP_ADDRESS> gateway
[20:05] <paulievox> to the 10.0.1.x subnet?
[20:05] <paulievox> ((the PC needs to live on the FOH network so Apache can be accessed
[20:05] <paulievox> by other FOH machines)).
[20:07] <fbc> how do you unmount a volume with having remount again automatically?
[20:07] <fbc> I have an external drive I would like to format and I can't because it remount automatically.
[20:08] <paulievox> ((sorry for the wrong text encoding spam))
[20:11] <knome> fbc, if it mounts automagically from fstab, you can unmount it and it will mount again on boot
[20:14] <knome> paulievox, #ubuntu might be better place to ask. as this is a general linux/routing question, also other channels/forums might be helpful
[20:14] <fbc> knome, no it's an external drive that has no entry in fstab
[20:14] <knome> fbc, so how is it automatically mounted?
[20:14] <paulievox> ok.  thanks knome
[20:14] <knome> paulievox, np. sorry i'm not able to help myself. :)
[20:15] <knome> paulievox, for your convenience you might post that info into forums (ubuntuforums.org for example) and just give link there
[20:19] <charding> Is there no firewall enabled by default in xubuntu? running iptables -L gives all ACCEPTS
[20:34] <knome> charding, correct.
[21:01] <Ahmuck> what are the min mem requirments for xubuntu now
[21:02] <gabkdlly> Ahmuck: i think 256 for the live CD
[21:03] <charlie-tca> Ahmuck: There here: http://xubuntu.org/get ; 128MB ram, 1.5GB hard drive space
[21:03] <charlie-tca> oops, looks like 128MB ram to run it
[21:04] <charlie-tca> No, 192MB to run it
[21:14] <Ahmuck> does it run well at 192?
[21:15] <knome> Ahmuck, not really.
[21:15] <Ahmuck> we have someone that wants to switch, however, i don't want to put on something that won't run as quickly as windows xp would.  i've found lately that the *untu and linux in general is getting processor usage heavy
[21:15] <Ahmuck> :(
[21:16] <Ahmuck> i did try crunchbang ealier, but it still needs some work imho to be a user distro.  very nice, and polished, but i don't want to support another user forever
[21:17] <knome> Ahmuck, i think it depends on what you are running if you compare xp to xubuntu with 192 ram
[21:17] <knome> Ahmuck, if the user wants to make the change, then i'd go for it.
[21:18] <Ahmuck> the user is forced into the change.  being the local helpful tech person, when thier xp computer went down i volunteered to assist.  however, it appears it's a "pirated" copy from another helpful tech person, which i won't fix
[21:19] <Ahmuck> not wanting to purchase, or buy into a new computer, the only choice left was linux
[21:19]  * Ahmuck loves it when i run across these situations
[21:23] <knome> okay...
[21:23] <Ahmuck> nm, the drive bad
[22:16] <retour> How under XFCE change color depth? I only see some basic options for resolution and referesh rate
[22:30] <sellyoursoul> new to xubuntu.  i'm trying to turn off of 'tap to click' for my synaptics touch pad.  i installed gsynaptic, but i didn't see any gui afterward for configuring the touch pad.  any ideas?
[22:43] <spastic_teapot> I just created a partition on some unused hard drive space. How can I make Xubuntu mount it?
[22:44] <spastic_teapot> I'm trying the manual method - editng /etc/fstab - and I'm confused as to what my UUID should be.
[23:26] <yertosaurus> Hello. What is the default browser for Xubuntu 8.10?
[23:26] <Look4Help> Hi guys... I am thinking of trying xubuntu but in the download there are two i86 isos.... "Alternate" and "Desktop" witch one of these do i want for a leaptop?
[23:28] <Look4Help> hello
[23:29] <yertosaurus> Nobody here imo
[23:29] <yertosaurus> Do you know what the default browser of Xbuntu is?
[23:29] <yertosaurus> xubuntu*
[23:29] <Look4Help> yertosaurus: do you know the diffrence between Alternate and Desktop?
[23:29] <Look4Help> no idea.. .I havn't ever used it... I am tyreyingto find out what iso to download to try it out for 1st time
[23:29] <yertosaurus> not really, but I think desktop would proabably be better
[23:30] <yertosaurus> idk tho... never eitehr
[23:30] <yertosaurus> either*
[23:30] <yertosaurus> Just doing browser research for an article
[23:30] <yertosaurus> Might have to omit Xubuntu from the list
[23:31] <antonehammers> hey all.  i'm very close to being able to use my file server.  but i cannot get permission to copy files onto my hard drive.  i'm lost
[23:31] <antonehammers> anyone know a bit about this?  seems like it'd be pretty easy to do
[23:32] <yertosaurus> nvm.. got it from the site... Firefox
[23:32] <Look4Help> no one seams to be in channel ant
[23:32] <antonehammers> oh, that's too bad
[23:45] <fbc> How do I stop a volume from remounting immediately after I right click on it and click unmount?
[23:50] <charlie-tca> Look4Help: Desktop has a GUI interface and gives a chance to try Xubuntu before installing. Alternate is text interface


[06:39] <Quintasan> Good morning.
[07:38] <dholbach> good morning
[07:42] <philipballew> good evining from CA dholbach
[07:45] <dholbach> hi philipballew
[07:46] <philipballew> how's wherever you are dholbach ?
[07:47] <dholbach> Germany's waking up, I guess :)
[07:48] <philipballew> haha, I think you were the man in the packaging how to video i watched 2 weeks ago?
[07:48] <philipballew> unless i am mastaken. the 4 part one or something?
[07:49] <dholbach> yeah, those are a bit dusty already :)
[07:50] <dholbach> but yes, that could well have been me :)
[07:50] <philipballew> they looked a little dusty. is there a newer packaging guide? I have some tar's I need to get goin on? i was thinking the debian maintainers guide?
[08:00] <ajmitch> morning dholbach
[08:00] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[08:01] <dholbach> there's http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/packaging-guide/html/ (which is being worked on right now, but at least the introduction should be there)
[08:02] <philipballew> seemes easy enough
[08:04] <philipballew> thanks!
[08:45] <oier__> good morning
[08:45] <oier__> is anybody up for reviewing my package indicator-bug? I already have one advocate and I am looking for second one http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=9151
[11:13] <oier__> hi again, as many of you already know, I'm looking for a second advocate for my package indicator-bug at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=9151
[11:13] <oier__> I would love your help
[12:50] <dnivra> Laney: highvoltage: hey. Did you check out the packaging of openteacher at http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/o/openteacher/ ?
[12:52] <geser> dnivra: you need at least also python in Build-Depends
[12:52] <geser> have you tried to build it in a pbuilder?
[12:53] <dnivra> geser: I just started it the build process now.
[13:03] <tumbleweed> dnivra: I don't see a setup.py, so you'll need to write one (or use dh_install or dh_python2's undocumented pyinstall feature)
[13:03] <dnivra> that's odd. I was sure I added those fields yesterday. but they're nowhere to be seen! I was sure.
[13:03] <tumbleweed> also it doesn't look architecture specific
[13:04] <tumbleweed> oh, sorry they are documented, just not in the release I was looking at
[13:04] <dnivra> what did you mean by architecture specific?
[13:04] <dnivra> tumbleweed: ^^
[13:05] <tumbleweed> dnivra: you have "Architecture: any", but it should probably be "all"
[13:05] <highvoltage> dnivra: yesterday was a bit crazy, but I haven't forgotten about it
[13:05] <dnivra> highvoltage: no problemo. I was just asking that's all :).
[13:06] <dnivra> Oh right. Will change it.
[23:25] <wibblymat> I have a question about a package I'm trying to update. The Apache Solr and Lucene projects have been merged upstream so you get both in the same source tarball. If I want to update the solr package to the latest version, should I make both lucene2 and solr source packages be replaced?
[23:29] <wibblymat> I guess another good question would be about the pacakge name. Lucene is now on version 3.4, which makes lucene2 a bad name. Why lucene2 in the first place? Is it better to have it as lucene3 or just lucene in the future?
[23:49] <cdunlap> Hello.
[23:49] <cdunlap> I have a quick 'man' page question
[23:49] <cdunlap> I am trying to add options to the mountall man page but I can't get a line break to be recognized
[23:50] <cdunlap> I am using gmanedit
[23:50] <cdunlap> is there something special you need to do, that I am obviously missing?


[00:01] <ronny> lifeless: is git alternates networking-cappable?
[00:05] <ChrisMorgan> I have another something which occurred to me; Inkscape has a devlibs SVN repository which has lots of binaries and things in it such as are used to compile Inkscape for Windows (Python, GTK, everything except MinGW).  This could be migrated to Bazaar now without it becoming enormous with lightweight branches, couldn't it?
[00:05] <ChrisMorgan> Historically it wasn't feasible but I /think/ lightweight branches should do it.
[00:13] <rpcesar> hello. the server I am trying to make a checkout using sftp, but its not published publicly via http://. In addition, the server uses a private key (works with putty and scpftp just fine). when I attempt to set the url to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>it fails with unable to authenticate host. then says something about supported auth types and public key. I am trying to figure out how to connect using my private key.
[00:15] <Peng> Bazaar should find it automagically.
[00:15] <Peng> Specifying the password in the URL is weird -- it's probably making bzr decide to use password auth or somethin'.
[00:16] <Peng> I don't know any of the details on how to get SSH keys working with bzr on Windows... It's easier on *nix. :P
[00:16] <Peng> Probably something in the docs, though.
[00:18] <Peng> rpcesar: http://wiki.bazaar.canonical.com/Bzr_and_SSH maybe?
[00:18] <rpcesar> i removed the password and username, it still doesent work right. and yes, this is on windows
[00:18] <rpcesar> im aware of placing keys in certain directories on unix, cant seem to find an equiv here
[00:19] <rpcesar> putty logs in fine, but I cannot seem to find the settings for sftp
[00:20] <Peng> There's nothing SFTP-specific here... It's just SSH.
[00:21] <ChrisMorgan> rpcesar: have you used Pageant?
[00:21] <Peng> rpcesar: Did you try that link?
[00:21] <ChrisMorgan> You should start Pageant and load the key in it
[00:23] <rpcesar> ok, im in it
[00:23] <Peng> In fact, that link discusses Pageant.
[00:23] <rpcesar> yep, that worked
[00:24] <Peng> Good. :)
[00:24] <rpcesar> I need to keep pageant open correct?
[00:24] <rpcesar> (as it provides the keys I assume)?
[00:24] <rpcesar> now, im still getting a different (probably unrelated) error stating that it is "not a branch"
[00:24] <rpcesar> the folder I am browsing to contains the .bzr folder
[00:25] <rpcesar> but its still saying "Not a branch"
[00:26] <Peng> rpcesar: Note that paths are relative from the root.
[00:26] <Peng> rpcesar: sftp://example.com/home/you/...
[00:26] <Peng> rpcesar: Or, equivalently, sftp://example.com/~/
[00:26] <rpcesar> hmm.. ok well I am actually working with a subdomain
[00:26] <rpcesar> mybranch.website.com
[00:27] <rpcesar> which points to the folder that contains the .bzr file (the beginning of the branch)
[00:27] <rpcesar> if I log in via scp it takes me to the right folder
[00:29] <Peng> Welll...bzr wants the path from the root of the server.
[00:30] <AfC> [I hate that]
[00:31] <rpcesar><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:32] <rpcesar> I just tried this, it navigates to the the web home directory, etc, right to the file semi absolutely
[00:32] <rpcesar> its saying not a branch aswell
[00:32] <rpcesar> (~ moves it back to home)
[00:33] <rpcesar> I also used a symbolic link of the server to link to it, and no dice
[00:33] <Peng> Maybe it really isn't a branch. :D
[00:33] <Peng> On the server, what does "bzr info" say there?
[00:33] <Peng> You might have the path wrong. Or even a typo1
[00:34] <Peng> Nice. I typod the first character after "typo".
[00:34] <Peng> typoed? typod?
[00:34] <rpcesar> nevermind, i got it. had to actually type in<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:34] <rpcesar> I dont quite understand though how it does not automatically take it to the proper path
[00:35] <fullermd> Peng: The future tense is obviously "You know beforehand, just don't do it"
[00:35] <rpcesar> load branch.website.com into any sftp program and it goes right to the folder.
[00:35] <rpcesar> but thank you so much for your help guys
[00:36] <rpcesar> today is my first time using bzr, come rom an svn background, that just seemed so much easier :)
[00:37] <ChrisMorgan> rpcesar: you'll need to have the key loaded in Pageant whenever you want an SSH connection
[00:37] <ChrisMorgan> Don't worry, I had trouble with it a month or two ago when I started with Bazaar on Windows too.
[00:38] <ChrisMorgan> The people in here helped me to understand it though :-)
[00:38] <ChrisMorgan> Since then, just this week I've moved to Ubuntu as my main OS and it really is a lot simpler.
[00:41] <rpcesar> yes, i love ubunto. unfortunately, when dealing with clients, unfortunately this is for work and not allowed :)
[00:42] <rpcesar> ok, ran into another issue.  Perhaps its a special sftp server?
[01:13] <EdWyse_Office> could someone familiar with setup.py take a look at http://paste2.org/p/600644 and tell me if that's the correct way of including the include file in MANIFEST?
[01:15] <lifeless> MANIFEST.in is the normal way
[01:15] <EdWyse_Office> Except MANIFEST.in isn't in the dev tree.
[01:16] <EdWyse_Office> My intention is to create a patch that will allow bdist_rpm to be made.
[01:21] <lifeless> EdWyse_Office: do add MANIFEST.in
[01:21] <lifeless> EdWyse_Office: didn't jam paste a patch for you the other day
[01:21] <EdWyse_Office> Yeah, and it didn't work.
[01:22] <aidalgol> My clone operation just failed with a 110 error.  How can I tell bzr to pick up where it left off?
[01:22] <EdWyse_Office> So I grabbed the source repo and I'm looking at how the devs designed it to work.
[01:22] <EdWyse_Office> Since I have more time now...
[01:22] <GPHemsley> How do I get $Id$ to expand again?
[01:24] <aidalgol> xb
[01:24] <aidalgol> Oops!  Ignore that.
[01:30] <spiv> GPHemsley: the bzr-keywords plugin
[01:31] <GPHemsley> spiv: Remind me how to activate that? :/
[01:31] <spiv> GPHemsley: it should come with docs
[01:31] <spiv> GPHemsley: (I'd have to go read them too)
[01:32] <fullermd> It's not really usable in practice.
[01:32] <GPHemsley> where are they? `bzr help keywords` didn't work
[01:32] <fullermd> It does once you install the plugin  8-}
[01:33] <GPHemsley> oh, I thought it said it comes with Bzr... I hate Launchpad.... *grumble grumble*
[01:36] <GPHemsley> so, uh, how do I install it?
[01:36] <lifeless> EdWyse_Office: We haven't tried to make bdist_rpm work :)
[01:36] <lifeless> EdWyse_Office: so don't limit yourself to what we do at the moment
[01:37] <fullermd> GPHemsley: Something like `bzr branch lp:bzr-keywords ~/.bazaar/plugins/keywords/`
[01:38] <EdWyse_Office> lifeless: I found the right way to do it using distutils.extension now, so unless you /really/ don't want me to do it in setup.py...
[01:39] <GPHemsley> $Id$ isn't in the list of supported keywords now output by `bzr help keywords` :/
[01:39] <lifeless> EdWyse_Office: I don't particularly care; the reason I say MANIFEST.in is because thats what is usually used for increasing the manifest
[01:40] <EdWyse_Office> ok
[01:42] <spiv> GPHemsley: yeah.  It should probably be added, although it is a bit of an odd fit because bzr versions trees, whereas cvs versions individual files.
[01:43] <GPHemsley> well, SVN has it, too...
[01:43] <lifeless> GPHemsley: svn also versions individual files
[01:43] <fullermd> Well.  All the existing keywords all refer to just the file too anyway.
[01:44] <GPHemsley> lifeless: Not insofar as assigning an ID number
[01:44] <lifeless> While I think we're too tree orientated, we're the same as git/hg/monotone/codeville/etc
[01:44] <spiv> fullermd: yeah
[01:44] <fullermd> It just misses the aggregation of $Id$
[01:44] <spiv> fullermd: like I say I think it probably ought to be added
[01:44] <lifeless> GPHemsley: Last I checked the internals, it did.
[01:44] <GPHemsley> lifeless: a revision ID refers to a whole collection of files
[01:45] <GPHemsley> lifeless: How it stores it internally may be another story
[01:46] <lifeless> GPHemsley: thats precisely what I mean, ids refer to things changed in svn, not to the state of a whole tree
[01:46] <GPHemsley> oh
[01:48] <lifeless> you can infer the state of a whole tree, but if compare with bzr/git/etc the whole tree /changes/ to record a commit
[01:48] <lifeless> which is a fundamental difference
[01:48] <GPHemsley> well, I'm not interested in the rev ID for $Id$ so much as all the rest of the data
[01:49] <lifeless> what data is that
[01:52] <fullermd> ...  well, I use $CVSHeader$ rather than $Id$, but it's the same aside from the path...    Path, version, date, committer, state.
[02:01] <lifeless> GPHemsley: you probably want a pre commit start hook then
[02:01] <lifeless> GPHemsley: or something like that
[02:03] <GPHemsley> lifeless: Here's an example from SVN: $Id: LICENSE 50 2009-06-24 22:12:19Z gphemsley $
[02:03] <lifeless> GPHemsley: and that adds lines on each commit?
[02:03] <lifeless> or just the one line
[02:03] <GPHemsley> just the one
[02:03] <lifeless> ok keywords probably does it then
[02:04] <fullermd> It has the individual pieces of information; it doesn't have a keyword that aggregates 'em all.
[02:05] <fullermd> So you could just put a /* $Path$ $Revision-Id$ $Date$ $Committer$ */ sorta thing together.
[02:09] <GPHemsley> yeah, but that's a bit much
[02:12] <fullermd> I doubt it'll be too hard to add $Id$; it'll probably show up eventually.
[02:13] <fullermd> 'minds me, I need to file a bug about the collapsing...
[02:31] <EdWyse_Office> Ok, lifeless, I apologize. I was wrong about distutils (though I still consider it a bug not to include dependencies in the manifest). I'll make the MANIFEST.in file
[02:42] <lifeless> EdWyse_Office: if it works for you, thats all that matters; the rest is detail
[02:43] <EdWyse_Office> Yeah, it didn't, but now I know why at least.
[02:45] <lifeless> why didn't it work?
[02:48] <EdWyse_Office> It's just not designed to include .h files, regardless of the Extension declaration. Making my rpm now, let's see if it works...
[03:20] <EdWyse_Office> Same problem as last time... bdist_rpm fails to build the package because rpm is expecting to find the manpage bzr.1 and instead finds bzr.1.gz. It turns out to actually be a distutils bug: http://bugs.python.org/issue644744
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> is there any reason in particular why bzr log -r -3.. acts differently to bzr diff -r -3..? (the former displays the last 3 log entries, the later does nothing)
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm, perhaps i ran it wrong
[03:26] <fullermd> Well, if there aren't any differences between the files in -3 and -1...
[03:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> looks like thats the case - commit -1 is nothing but a commit entry
[03:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> joys of rebasing *heh*
[03:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks for the quick responce too
[03:42] <HFSPLUS> !ops
[03:43] <poolie> HFSPLUS: ?
[03:43] <RAOF> Again?
[03:43] <HFSPLUS> !ops
[03:43] <RAOF> poolie: They come on to Ubuntu-related channels and call the ops untill they get kicked.  Don't ask me why.
[03:44] <fullermd> Some filesystems are weird like that.
[03:45] <RAOF> Heh.  I've seen a number of people complaining about hfs+ recently :)
[03:51] <lifeless> EdWyse_Office: sounds like you need to fix distutils :(
[07:39] <ruki> i am getting this error: http://pastebin.com/m3965372f while pushing to my branch
[07:43] <lifeless> ruki: give break lock the same url you pushed too
[07:44] <lifeless> the error is misleading about the url to use
[07:50] <ruki> lifeless: http://pastebin.com/d6fd1ce8a
[07:54] <Peng> ruki: Follow what it says. :P
[07:54] <ruki> Peng: ok
[07:54] <Peng> ...
[08:55] <lifeless> poolie: #subunit exists btw, if you like
[09:18] <lifeless> poolie: I wish lp bugs mail was a little friskier
[12:14] <Adys> wasn't there a way to avoid committing files unless specified in bzr ci, without adding them to bzrignore?
[12:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> --strict?
[12:15] <Adys> no, more like; i have some local.py file; i run bzr something local.py; bzr ci; it doesn't commit local.py but commits the rest
[12:16] <Adys> until I bind it again to the branch
[12:16] <Adys> a local bzrignore basically
[12:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. bzr shelve?
[12:16] <Adys> looks right, thanks!
[12:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> np :)
[12:17] <spiv> There's a --exclude option for bzr ci, too.
[12:17] <Adys> spiv: yeah but that involves typing it every time
[12:17] <spiv> Well, not really any worse than bzr shelve.
[12:17] <spiv> You could make an alias for it, though, if it's always the same file(s).
[12:18] <Adys> bzr shelve is only typed one until unshelve
[12:18] <spiv> Oh, I see.
[12:18] <spiv> I was thinking that you'd still want it in the workingtree after the commit.
[12:19] <Adys> well the files themselves stay in the working tree, its just ignored by bzr commit
[12:19] <Adys> from what I understand, anyway
[12:19] <spiv> 'bzr shelve' will move uncommitted changes from your working copy onto a "shelf"
[12:20] <spiv> So if you did e.g. "bzr shelve --all", then "bzr st" would show no changes.
[12:20] <Adys> well yeah
[12:20] <spiv> And if you opened the files in an editor, you wouldn't see the changes either.
[12:20] <Adys> uh
[12:20] <Adys> oh
[12:20] <Adys> hmm yeah thats not it
[12:20] <spiv> (Until you unshelved them, of course)
[12:22] <spiv> It would be fairly easy to write a plugin to do what you want, I think.
[12:22] <Adys> hmmm I was sure it was in bzr
[12:23] <spiv> Perhaps add a 'bzr hold-file FILE ...' command that adds file-ids to a list in .bzr/checkout/held-files, and a corresponding 'unhold-file' command.
[12:24] <spiv> And it would wrap 'bzr commit' to automatically pass those files to commit's --exclude.
[12:24] <Adys> yep
[12:24] <spiv> (Possibly add an --override-holds option too)
[12:24] <spiv> If it wasn't getting late here I might try doing it now :)
[12:25] <Adys> I'll try doing it
[12:25] <spiv> Cool.
[12:25] <Adys> reading up on bzr plugin doc
[12:25] <spiv> Ask here or on the list if you get stuck.
[12:25] <Adys> kay :)
[12:25] <spiv> As far as your original question, as you've probably gathered I don't know of an existing solution for that.
[12:26] <spiv> Well...
[12:26] <spiv> You could perhaps use looms like this, sort of, but that would be overkill and clumsy.
[12:27] <Adys> spiv: how do you pass multiple arguments to --exclude?
[12:27] <Adys> --exclude "foo.py bar.py" ?
[12:29] <Adys> also good to note --exclude / -x isn't in bzr help ci
[12:32] <spiv> Adys: Hmm, I see it in that help
[12:33] <spiv> Adys: I would expect you can pass multipe -x options
[12:33] <Adys> http://dpaste.com/142859/
[12:33] <spiv> Adys: i.e. -x foo.py -x bar.py
[12:33] <Adys> ill try
[12:33] <spiv> Adys: it's there on line 20 of that paste?
[12:34] <Adys> I'm blind :/
[12:34] <Adys> and yes, multiple -x works
[12:34] <Adys> thanks :)
[12:34] <spiv> It doesn't help that there's no obvious ordering to the list of options.
[12:55] <lifeless> spiv: BTW,  have I pointed you at lp:testrepository ?
[13:11] <spiv> lifeless: not until just then ;
[13:11] <spiv> ;)
[13:15] <spiv> Gar, the "Subscribe to mailing list" link fails to take to me a page from which I could actually subscribe to the mailing list.
[13:32] <lifeless> spiv: which link? I can fixness
[13:35] <spiv> lifeless: the one on https://edge.launchpad.net/~testrepository-dev, I'm not sure if you can actually fix that.
[13:35] <lifeless> oh, maybe not as easily ;)
[13:35] <spiv> lifeless: (it was where the "Unsubscribe" button now is for me)
[13:36] <lifeless> spiv: did you file a bug for barry?
[13:36] <spiv> It took my to my +editemails page, which isn't particularly useful.
[13:36] <lifeless> oh right, yes.
[13:36] <spiv> No, but only because it's much too late at night to be filing coherent bugs.
[13:36] <spiv> Especially in this heat.
[13:36] <lifeless> bugs aren't lasers :). speaking of the time... gnight.
[15:21] <ruk> do i have to add, commit everytime i have to update my branch ?
[15:21] <ruk> or do i just have to bzr push?
[15:22] <luks> can you reformulate the question?
[15:22] <luks> what do you want to do?
[15:43] <Colonel-Rosa> morning, does bzr have commit globbing?
[15:43] <Colonel-Rosa> bzr ci *index.php
[15:43] <Colonel-Rosa> commits all index files
[15:44] <luks> your shell does that
[15:44] <Colonel-Rosa> nvm, got it
[18:43] <bendj> Hi.  With scheme=ssh in my ~/.bazaar/authentication.conf, how/where do I specify a *different* ssh config file?  atm, i get: "Bad owner or permissions on /root/.ssh/config" if I, e.g., try to exec 'bzr branch lp:pressflow pressflow6-core'.  Not surprising, since my ssh config is at a different, non-default file path...
[18:45] <bendj> Reading @ http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/latest/developers/authentication-ring.html, I don't see (?) any way to spec the ssh config path :-/
[19:01] <Peng> ...You're running bzr as root...?
[19:01] <Peng> Oh, you're gone too.
[20:29] <EdWyse_Mobile> Any idea how to fix this segfault, http://paste2.org/p/601692 , in the 2.0 branch? ( or at least where to start looking )
[20:30] <poolie> hi EdWyse_Mobile
[20:30] <poolie> wow
[20:30] <poolie> please file a bug for it
[20:30] <poolie> basically i'd look at why that pointer could get to be null
[20:59] <Supertanker> Would it be appropriate to use bazaar to keep track of versions and revisions of my novella document files? Or am I looking for some other sort of backup/revision solution?
[21:32] <gutworth> Supertanker: do you write them?
[21:34] <ronny> anyone got an idea where jelmer is, i got a pair of trivial subvertpy patches for him
[21:46] <Supertanker> gutworth, yep
[21:46] <Supertanker> My current system is tons of .odt files in a directory with different names :P
[21:46] <gutworth> then that would be reasonable
[21:47] <Supertanker> Huh, okay.
[21:47] <gutworth> ah, bzr doesn't do great with binary files
[21:47] <Supertanker> I was just wondering if there was another way to do it.
[21:47] <Supertanker> I thought .odt was a sort of .xmlish format?
[21:47] <Supertanker> (Probably not :P)
[21:47] <gutworth> it's a compressed directory of xml files I believe
[21:47] <gutworth> so binary
[21:47] <Supertanker> O.o
[21:47] <Supertanker> Nope, it's not text
[21:47] <gutworth> /compressed/
[21:48] <Supertanker> Yeah, that makes sense
[21:48] <Supertanker> What about .abw files?
[21:48] <Supertanker> I believe those are plaintext.
[21:48] <Supertanker> Unless specifically saved as .abwz or .abwbz
[21:49] <Supertanker> Oh, there we go
[21:49] <Supertanker> I could save it as Open Document Text (Flat XML)
[23:11] <bendj> I'm setting up a bzr-based development/staging/production workflow.  Seems there are countless ways to do this.   It's just for me -- no other devs -- and I'm wondering (1) with atomic commits @dev, do I really need a standalone staging step? (2) should production be a branch, checkout, or rsync of a 'working' dev/staging branch? What do folks here do for 'best practice'?
[23:26] <spiv> bendj: it depends on what you want from your production rollouts
[23:27] <spiv> bendj: but keep in mind for example that neither 'bzr co' or 'rsync' will atomically update a tree on disk.  So if this a website, a client might hit the site while only half the files are updated.
[23:27] <bendj> spiv In my case, the production site is my live drupal (actually, pressflow) site.  and, no, i haven't figured out yet how i'll stage the databases .... ;-)
[23:28] <spiv> bendj: so you might want to checkout or rsync to a separate directory, then do a rename or update a config file to point at the new location, if that scenario concerns you.
[23:29] <spiv> bendj: but basically any of a checkout, rsync, or say the bzr-upload plugin will do an decent job of actually getting onto disk on your production server.
[23:30] <bendj> spiv Hm.. Hadn't considered the rename/update options.  Was thinking that I *need* to drive everything via bzr.
[23:30] <spiv> s/actually getting/actually getting files/
[23:31] <spiv> Well, a checkout that you update would have an advantage that it's easy to see which version has been rolled out compared to the current development version.
[23:31] <bendj> spiv except that rsync would leave the production site itself NOT under revision control, tight?
[23:31] <spiv> But depending on how tightly you control your rollout process, perhaps you'd already know that anyway.
[23:31] <bendj> Oh, ... didn't look up
[23:31] <spiv> bendj: right, but you're not going to be editing files on production are you? :)
[23:32] <bendj> Who me? Never! UhUh! Nope! No Sir!  That would be nuts! ;-p
[23:32] <spiv> :)
[23:34] <bendj> Well, to be technically correct -- I'll not be editing the production site's files.  I will be editing (occassionally0 ON the production box, but in dev/staging checkouts; I'm thinking about a bzr-server centralized repo scenario, and checkouts,etc to numerous locations as required (e.g., home, laptop, remote, etc etc)
[23:37] <bendj> Unrelated (mostly) question.  Can bzr be KDE (or would it be @filesystem) -integrated, so that the last N (say 10 ...) saved versions of a file are available?  E.g., doing image editing in a directory using GIMP, I could certainly do that if I checked out the file/directory first using bzr, then commit after edit.  But anything integrated as of yet?  I've seem such capabilities @ a Solaris demo once, but I think that was embodied in the ZFS file system.
[23:38] <bendj> s/seem/seen/
[23:44] <spiv> bendj: nothing integrated as yet, sadly
[23:44] <spiv> bendj: it would be lovely to have, of course!
[23:45] <spiv> bendj: I think it really would need to work at the app level rather than filesystem to work well, the filesystem just isn't given enough information to know reliably when a change has been fully written or if a replaced file is a new version of the old one or not.
[23:55] <bendj> spiv found it! -> http://www.serverwatch.com/tutorials/article.php/3831881/Say-Cheese-OpenSolaris-Time-Slider.htm
[23:55] <bendj> iirc, it's file-level restoration across numerous prior versions
[23:56] <bendj> using ZFS' capabilities.  i.e. @ the filesystem level
[23:59] <RAOF> Yeah; something similar will be possible with brtfs.


[11:33] <wolfger> morning
[11:34] <rick_h_> ugh
[11:34] <rick_h_> it'll all get better tomorrow...it'll all get better tomorrow
[11:36] <wolfger> That doesn't sound like a promising mid-week mantra
[12:01] <brousch_> rick_h_: Why will it get better tomorrow?
[12:02] <cmaloney> Good morning
[12:03] <cmaloney> I think that's release day, no?
[12:03] <cmaloney> Also: if anyone wants to practice their presenting skills we have a unique opportunity this month t MUG. :)
[12:11] <brousch_> Oh, right, what day is that?
[12:13] <brousch_> I'm trying to schedule my RPi/Python talk with the Kalamazoo Linux Users Group and Kzoo Makers too
[12:18] <rick_h_> yes, release day
[12:19] <rick_h_> well, it's our release day for our team for work we've been doing since Feb
[12:19] <rick_h_> Ubuntu release is end of next month
[12:20] <brousch_> How is this possible? http://www.modulecounts.com/
[12:20] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/bgFoE - Modulecounts
[12:20] <rick_h_> how is which part possible?
[12:21] <brousch_> RubyGems and NPM having more modules than pypi
[12:21] <rick_h_> yes, they reinvent the wheel more than anyone
[12:21] <rick_h_> at one point when doing nodejs stuff there were more than 5 different postgres modules to use
[12:21] <rick_h_> all of which had one feature you want while missing one feature from every other lib
[12:22] <brousch_> So immaturity breeds more modules?
[12:22] <rick_h_> yes
[12:22] <rick_h_> and yes
[12:22] <rick_h_> ime with them and all that
[12:22] <brousch_> I guess that makes sense
[12:32] <cmaloney> brousch_: Second Tuesday of the month
[12:32] <cmaloney> so Oct. 14th
[12:32] <cmaloney> Free dinner for speakers. :)
[12:39] <brousch_> Hm, still looks open for me
[12:41] <cmaloney> brousch_: If you're willing to make the trek we'll talk specifics.
[12:41] <cmaloney> eg: topic, expenses, etc.
[12:42] <mrgoodcat> what happened in july?
[12:44] <cmaloney> At MUG?
[12:45] <cmaloney> http://www.mug.org/2014/07/july-8th-2014-mug-meeting/
[12:45] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/v71uCi - July 8th, 2014 MUG Meeting | Michigan!/usr/group
[12:45] <cmaloney> http://www.mug.org/2014/07/video-july-8th-2014-meeting/
[12:45] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/8nxjEI - Video: July 8th 2014 Meeting | Michigan!/usr/group
[13:05] <brousch_> My only expense is probably $20 in gas
[13:07] <rick_h_> and the $100 brain tax
[13:07] <rick_h_> as his agent I'd like to make sure my client is properly compensated for his expense of brain power
[13:08] <cmaloney> Ah yes of course.
[13:08] <cmaloney> The brain tax is always the harshest one.
[13:08] <brousch_> I haven't seen rick_h_ in more than a year. So you will have to guarantee he will be present
[13:08] <rick_h_> hah, when is this?
[13:08] <cmaloney> October 14th. I think you're out-and-about
[13:09] <rick_h_> oh yea, I'll be helping another of my clients across a big pond
[13:14] <wolfger> Lifestyles of the rich and geek-famous?
[13:15] <rick_h_> lifestyles of the "boss wants to see you face to face and tell you what's up"
[13:15] <rick_h_> but it is fun, got my 'christmas' gifts for the new hires in so that's a fun part.
[13:16] <wolfger> face to face... that's so 20th-century. Who do you work for again? ;-)
[13:16] <rick_h_> well, it is in little doses. I don't think he could stand to have us in an actual office with him full time :P
[13:17] <cmaloney> I think it's more for your sanity
[13:17] <rick_h_> 30-60min boxes of time wheee
[13:17] <rick_h_> hah, yea.
[13:17] <cmaloney> You'd have a task list about as long as your collective arms if you spent more than 30 mintues with Mark.
[13:19]  * rick_h_ checks arms
[13:21] <cmaloney> https://p.gr-assets.com/540x540/fit/hostedimages/1379790382/535782.jpg
[13:21] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/cwtWFo - image/jpeg
[13:22] <rick_h_> heh, not sure if I'm incrementing each day in the job or to the next end of cycle there :)
[13:31] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: no not at mug. on modulecounts.com there is some interesting activity in july
[13:33] <jrwren_> haha, just read rick_h_ from 7:30... now I want to sing Annie.
[13:33] <rick_h_> jrwren_: hah! good call
[13:33]  * rick_h_ makes a 'happy' playlist
[13:34] <jrwren_> "The sun'll come out... tomorrow."
[13:37] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Ah, not sure.
[14:14] <jrwren_> brousch_: I'm running with the devil.
[14:14] <jrwren_> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2014/09/23/oracle-and-canonical-collaborate-on-support-for-oracle-linux-on-ubuntu/
[14:14] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/T6UP1A - Oracle and Canonical collaborate on support for Oracle Linux on Ubuntu | Ubuntu Insights
[14:14] <rick_h_> lol
[14:15] <jrwren_> rick_h_: :)
[14:19] <brousch_> waaaaat
[14:19] <brousch_> Sorry, makes sense if I RTFA
[14:22] <rick_h_> hah
[14:22] <rick_h_> yea, headlines fml
[14:30] <cmaloney> Hm, Oracle announces Larry Ellison leaving, next day Oracle and Ubuntu collaborate
[14:30] <cmaloney> coincidence?
[14:31] <rick_h_> http://blog.lusis.org/blog/2014/09/23/end-of-linux/ interesting
[14:31] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/rgrQhB - The End of Linux - blog dot lusis
[14:31] <rick_h_> and yea, because I'm a systemd monolith hater
[14:33] <wolfger> jrwren_: Van Halen earworm ftw!
[14:34] <jrwren_> wolfger: that is for what I was aiming, but my aim was more at cmaloney :)
[14:35] <wolfger> VH might be too soft for him :-p
[14:35] <cmaloney> I am impervious to a Van Halen earworm
[14:35] <rick_h_> "You might as well JUMP!"

[14:36] <cmaloney> Hot for Teacher
[14:36] <rick_h_> oooh, good one there
[14:36] <cmaloney> pretty much the entire 1984 album
[14:36] <rick_h_> lol
[14:37] <wolfger> 1984 album?  Eh. entire VH and VH2 albums
[14:37] <wolfger> with the exception of Atomic Punk
[14:37] <cmaloney> VH is pretty good
[14:38] <cmaloney> I like OU812, but I think I'm in the minority on that one
[14:39] <wolfger> I recall that album being alright, though off the top of my head I can't name any song from it
[14:40] <cmaloney> Mine all Mine
[14:40] <cmaloney> When It's Love
[14:40] <cmaloney> Cabo Wabo
[14:40] <cmaloney> I think those are the biggies
[14:42] <jrwren_> Ain't talkin bout love is about the only riff that I get stuck.
[14:42] <jrwren_> and its the guitar, not the lyrics.
[14:42] <jrwren_> "Might as well jump" and "running with the devil" just makes me think of Nerf Herder
[14:43] <jrwren_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC3tJ_Nu7GQ  saw 'em back in '96. pretty funny show.  Blink182 was the little known opening band at the time.
[14:43] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/H2YSGI - Nerf Herder - Van Halen - YouTube
[14:43] <jrwren_> I had no idea Nerf Herder had a video for this until today.
[14:48]  * wolfger is now listening to VH and VH2...
[14:57] <wolfger> rick_h_: interesting blog post. I'm not sure how I feel about this gem: "Linux is becoming the thing that we adopted Linux to get away from."
[14:59] <wolfger> I suspect the author adopted Linux for different reasons than myself.
[15:01] <jrwren_> haters gonna hate & there doesn't have to be logic behind the hate.
[15:01] <jrwren_> kinda like my android hate :)
[15:22] <jrwren_> that lusis blog post is just nonsense.


[02:58] <shepherd> hi. how do I use vesa instead of nouveau? nouveau is being used by default, and X wont start up "AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0", this is a dell inspiron 8109
[03:16] <Unit193> Should be as a boot option https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions
[07:15] <morri> hallloooo
[07:15] <morri> how do I get the desktop image to change again via terminal?
[07:16] <Unit193> morri: pcmanfm --help
[07:31] <morri> pcmanfm --desktop-pref just putting it i to remember lol
[09:30] <ActionParsnip> hi guys, when I press ALT+F2 does the run dialogue not get the focus for anyone?
[09:31] <bioterror> it annoys me too
[09:31] <bioterror> my solution was to install gmrun and configure alt+f2 to execute gmrun
[09:33] <ActionParsnip> was thinking that
[09:33] <ActionParsnip> os there a bug reported?
[09:35] <bioterror> yes
[09:35] <bioterror> if I remember right :D
[09:37] <ActionParsnip> found this https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=992240
[09:38] <ActionParsnip> double press works :)
[09:50] <ActionParsnip> fixed via #9 here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/+bug/889414
[18:50] <saleem> hi , if i wanna enable this ppa https://launchpad.net/~gilir/+archive/lubuntu should i remove the stable one i.e https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa  ?
[18:51] <wxl> saleem: since gilir will have bleeding edge stuff and the version numbers will be higher not necessarily
[18:51] <wxl> say you've got 3 repos that all have package x
[18:51] <wxl> apt-get update will update the highest version number across all three repos
[18:52] <wxl> make sense?
[18:52] <saleem> should should i keep the stable there ? im sort of confused tbh
[18:52] <wxl> if you're, say, trying to get the latest lightdm-gtk-greeter on precise, you could always add gilir's, update, install the package, and then remove the repo
[18:53] <wxl> that would keep you from getting other updates that maybe you didn't want
[18:53] <saleem> right
[18:53] <wxl> but you can leave lubuntu-desktop and it won't hurt anything
[18:53] <wxl> they won't confuse one another
[18:53] <wxl> so to be more explicit:
[18:53] <wxl> repo 1 has package x version 1
[18:53] <saleem> that sounds much safer
[18:53] <wxl> repo 2 has package x version 2
[18:53] <wxl> repo 3 has package x version 5
[18:54] <wxl> if you apt-get update or install package x with all those repos installed, it will install version 5
[18:54] <Unit193> Well, either way you'll still be using testing software
[18:54] <wxl> well kind of
[18:54] <wxl> gilir's is about as bleeding edge as it gets
[18:54] <wxl> the dev staging ppa is a little less bleeding edge
[18:55]  * gilir will not recommend his PPA, unless you know what you realy do ...
[18:55] <saleem> out of all ubuntu derivatives i like lubuntu , it does everything which ubuntu / unity could do for me
[18:55] <wxl> i certainly wouldn't install it ;)
[18:55] <gilir> there is a big warning on the PPA page for a reason
[18:56] <saleem> yes i read that warning about being unstable packages on it gilir
[18:57] <wxl> if i were you i'd just wait
[18:57] <wxl> which reminds me. when *IS* lightdm-gtk-greeter giong to be in dev staging gilir ?
[18:58] <wxl> i know we're all impatient and all but… :)
[19:04] <gilir> wxl, I just fixed it and pushed it, it should be ok shortly (I hope ...)
[19:10] <saleem> lubuntu control center doesnt come anymore on latest version?
[19:15] <saleem> cant find it on synaptic
[19:21] <eaburns> Hi
[19:22] <eaburns> Has anyone tried using rhythmbox on lubuntu?
[19:22] <eaburns> I installed it from apt-get and it mostly seems to work, however, it segfaults whenever I try to play music
[19:25] <saleem> weird, i have desktop ppa enabled but still cant find lubuntu-control-center
[19:47] <saleem> :(
[19:53] <saleem> lot of people complained they cant find the lubuntu-control-center
[19:54] <saleem> howcome if the desktop ppa is enabled why wont it show on synaptic?
[20:08] <downbeam_> hello
[20:08] <downbeam_> !!!
[20:31] <MrChrisDruif> downbeam_; 'lo


[02:24] <pepee> hi
[02:25] <pepee> the open source radeon driver supports video decoding and opencl now. will this be supported in ubuntu trusty?
[02:30] <Logan_> pepee: 7.3.0 is currently packaged for trusty
[02:33] <pepee> Logan_, AFAIK, you would still need to add some packages to the repos
[02:35] <Logan_> oh?
[02:35] <pepee> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=656719  http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=717500
[02:37] <Logan_> pepee: to be honest, I'm not an expert on this
[02:38] <pepee> ok
[02:38] <Logan_> pepee: it might behoove you to ask about it here: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati
[02:39] <pepee> IIRC, there was a bug report already
[02:40] <pepee> but I guess debian is slowing things...
[02:40] <Logan_> or even irc://irc.debian.org/debian-x
[02:40] <pepee> this is mesa, though, not related to X
[02:41] <Logan_> well, you're asking about the radeon driver, which the X Strike Force manages
[02:41] <Logan_> !package xserver-xorg-video-radeon
[02:42] <Logan_> bleu, I forgot the command
[02:42] <Logan_> *bleh
[02:42] <Logan_> pepee: http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xserver-xorg-video-ati.html
[02:42] <pepee> yeah, the bugs were already reported, as I just showed
[02:43] <Logan_> okay
[02:43] <pepee> I'm not expert too, but looks like the bug reports have been there for quite some time, and it hasn't been fixed
[02:44] <rww> Logan_: !info
[02:44] <Logan_> thanks dax
[04:22] <pepee> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/1002224
[11:53] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:49] <pip__> Hi how's trustr running at the mo?
[14:49] <pip__> planning on setting up a home server & might just go with it now instead of reinstalling in april
[14:49] <pip__> ^ trusty even
[15:29] <soee> there was an update for nvidia-331 drivers today but sadly nvidia-prime doesnt work
[18:20] <mamarley> Could someone have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mplayer2/+bug/1271794 ?  It has a really easy solution already in the comments, but isn't fixed yet in the repository.
[20:15] <Dysmas> hi everyone
[20:16] <Dysmas> i'm new here, but looking to get involved in development
[20:16] <Dysmas> i have been using ubuntu for years now and figured I would see how i could hlep
[20:59] <genii> !volunteer
[20:59]  * genii smacks the bot
[20:59] <genii> !contribute
[21:00] <genii> Ah, there it is.
[21:00] <rww> !-contribute
[21:00] <rww> !-getinvolved
[21:00] <rww> lol alias of alias
[21:00] <rww> !volunteer is <alias> contribute
[21:01]  * genii slides rww a coffee
[21:41] <soee> someone who tried lately nvidia-prime and can confirm it doesn't work (system wont boot) ?
[21:42] <Dysmas> soee: I did try it a few days ago and it worked but a recent update killed it and I went back to optimus
[21:42] <Dysmas> *bumblebee
[21:42] <soee> Dysmas: few days ago it worked for you with kernel 3.13 ?
[21:42] <Dysmas> 3.12
[21:42] <soee> ah thats the difference :)
[21:43] <Dysmas> yep I think so
[21:43] <soee> Dysmas: you are on 14.04 ?
[21:44] <Dysmas> yes
[21:44] <soee> and did you tested maybe steam on it ?
[21:44] <Dysmas> installed it, but haven't tried it yet lol
[21:44] <Dysmas> one sec I will fire it up
[21:44] <soee> ah ok, there is huge problem with performance in games :/
[21:45] <Dysmas> using prime???
[21:45] <soee> bumblebee
[21:45] <Dysmas> ah
[21:46] <soee> primusrun steam


[19:42] <veebers> barry: ping, following up my email :-)
[19:58] <barry> veebers: hi.  the problem is that pybootchartgui is i think unmaintained and has no effective test suite.  i really don't know much about the code, so my fix was just a bandaid to get it past the given sample data.  if you have other sample data that it's crashing on, i can try to take a look, but i'd need that sample data
[19:59] <barry> i see comment #8
[19:59] <veebers> barry: Ah I see. I have the sample data here, would you like me to email it to you?
[19:59]  * veebers looks
[19:59] <veebers> barry: ack
[20:00] <barry> veebers: i'll see what i can do about that failure
[20:04] <veebers> barry: have emailed the data, let me know if you get it (~8MB should get through, right? :-))
[20:05] <barry> veebers: maybe ;)  can you attach it to LP: #1381177?
[20:05] <veebers> barry: that's a much better idea, doing that now
[20:12] <barry> veebers: looks like the email got through
[20:16] <veebers> barry: ah cool, sorry was checking that there wasn't any private data in that data file before attaching
[20:18] <barry> veebers: no worries, i see the crash.  this is probably going to be a onsie-twosie type fix.  e.g. you give me data it crashes on, i tried to fix it knowing so little about the code, rinse, repeat ;)
[20:18] <veebers> barry: heh, hopefully we get lucky and this is the one time
[20:20] <barry> veebers: yeah.  this code is ancient, obscurely written, etc.
[20:21] <veebers> oh . . . I see :-P
[20:23] <barry> veebers: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8925948/
[20:32] <barry> veebers: do you want to test this before i upload to vivid?
[20:45]  * veebers look
[20:45] <veebers> s
[20:46] <veebers> barry: sure, I'll pull the branch and build itn ow
[20:54] <veebers> barry: d'oh, now I get this error: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8926432/
[21:00] <veebers> barry: it looks like that parse code is called a couple of times?
[21:02] <barry> veebers: maybe.  i just ran it like so:
[21:02] <barry> python pybootchartgui.py ../bootchart.tgz
[21:03] <barry> haven't seen that latest pastebin bug
[21:05] <barry> can you tell me how you got it?  i wonder if this isn't just a losing battle
[21:05] <barry> veebers: https://code.google.com/p/pybootchartgui/
[21:05] <barry> veebers: https://github.com/mmeeks/bootchart
[21:07] <veebers> barry: sorry I thought that I had shared the command I use: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8926726/
[21:08] <barry> veebers: let me try that in a chroot with the patched package
[21:15] <barry> veebers: that command with the posted patch wfm
[21:16] <veebers> barry: let me try again
[21:17] <veebers> barry: Actually I'm still running utopic and just built the package locally, but that shouldn't be an issue. . . .right?
[21:17] <barry> veebers: shouldn't be, since there's not much changed since then, but i am testing it in a vivid chroot
[21:17] <barry> veebers: i can give you a deb if that's helpful
[21:18] <veebers> barry: I might as well try that, yes please
[21:18] <veebers> (make sure we're testing the same thign
[21:18] <veebers> )
[21:21] <barry> veebers: dget http://barry.warsaw.us/debian/pybootchartgui_0+r141-0ubuntu5_amd64.changes
[21:21] <barry>
[21:21] <barry> then install the .deb
[21:21] <veebers>  barry ack, thanks
[21:27] <veebers> barry: ok, installing that deb worked for me (although I get 'False' printed out, but meh). I must have screwed something up when I built from scratch
[21:29] <veebers> barry: also, thanks for those other links, it looks like there will be work items coming up to transition to the newer stuff
[21:32] <barry> veebers: cool.  yeah, no idea what that False is but i see it too.  if this works for you, i'll upload this to vivid and we'll wait for the next failure ;)
[21:32] <veebers> barry: heh, awesome, thanks
[21:35] <thomi> veebers: just curious, do you know why we need the gui module at all?
[21:35] <thomi> I mean, we never display the actual gui graph anywhere, right?
[21:36] <thomi> or do we scrape it for the data points or something?
[21:36] <veebers> thomi: Um, that's a good question. Perhaps nuclearbob can weigh in here. I'm not sure, I just know there is this bug
[21:36] <thomi> fair nuff
[21:37] <nuclearbob> thomi veebers: I don't know, actually.  If there's a non-gui tool to generate those data points, that would probably be better.  The tests themselves haven't really be examined in a while, mostly just the way they're run


[00:33] <emgent> @now
[00:33] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: January 13 2008, 00:33:21 - Next meeting: Edubuntu meeting in 3 days


[07:16] <dholbach> good morning
[14:19] <dholbach> jose, on April 4th, 13 UTC can I have Ubuntu on Air for a session with David Barth and Alexandre Abreu about getting feedback on our HTML5 App developer story?
[15:46] <jose> dholbach: it's all yours, on the calendar now
[15:47] <dholbach> jose, awesome!
[15:47] <jose> dholbach: do you by chance know if jono will be around today?
[15:47] <dholbach> no, he's out at some conference (can't remember which)
[15:47] <dholbach> email might be an optionj
[15:48] <jose> ok, just wanted to know if I was going to delete his Q&A from the cal :)
[15:48] <jose> thanks
[15:49] <dholbach> yeah, sounds like a good idea :)


[00:10]  * PrivateVoid nods
[00:21]  * pleia2 waves to PrivateVoid
[00:21]  * PrivateVoid waves back
[00:22] <PrivateVoid> almost done with the BT team meeting
[00:58]  * PrivateVoid waves again to pleia2
[00:58]  * Rocket2DMn peeks
[01:00] <pleia2> okies, meeting time :)
[01:00] <pleia2> Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom/MeetingAgenda2008Dec3
[01:00] <pleia2> so, who all is here?
[01:00] <pleia2> introduce yourselfs! :)
[01:01] <pleia2> yourselves too
[01:01]  * PrivateVoid PrivateVoid nods
[01:01] <PrivateVoid> hello everyone!
[01:01] <Rocket2DMn> I'm just here to watch (I think)
[01:01] <spiderbatdad> err
[01:01] <bodhi_zazen> Hello classsroom :)
[01:02] <pleia2> hey bodhi_zazen
[01:02] <bodhi_zazen> The Beginners team in interested in assisting with #ubuntu-classroom :)
[01:02] <pleia2> we can start out with that
[01:03] <pleia2> so currently, ubuntu-classroom is mostly a basic project to help teams host courses in irc - we hold sessions here so there is a centralized location, help put folks in touch with resources for promotion
[01:03] <bodhi_zazen> Sounds awesome
[01:04] <pleia2> we also intended to do our own general sessions, which is pretty much the same mandate as the beginners education team
[01:04] <bodhi_zazen> And we can help guide people to IRC (from forums mostly)
[01:04] <pleia2> (early on when classroom was founded we did our own)
[01:04] <pleia2> bodhi_zazen: nice :)
[01:04] <pleia2> so lately we don't have the humanpower to run our own courses, so mostly it's just been a coordination and promotion thing
[01:05] <bodhi_zazen> We can help coordinate on the forums and we have some members who would like to instruct as well
[01:05] <pleia2> excellent
[01:05] <pleia2> Classroom doesn't currently have a forums contingent, and I'm not much of a forums person so I've never pushed it, but it's a great resource
[01:06] <bodhi_zazen> I am afraid I am stealing PrivateVoid's thunder here, PrivateVoid has done some outstanding footwork
[01:06] <PrivateVoid> The beginners team has an education focus group - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Education
[01:06] <PrivateVoid> We would like to run classes that are wiki/forum based with IRC sessions, and IRC based classes, and IRC based Q&A sessions.
[01:06] <PrivateVoid> The type of 'class' I view as a candidate for the mixed sessions is a programming class. The lesson material and assignments are on the wiki or forum and the 'instructor' is available one night a week in IRC.
[01:07] <PrivateVoid> We are building a resources component of the wiki which links people to resources, but those resources do not answer all the questions... that is what the Q&A sessions would be for
[01:07] <bodhi_zazen> Well, the BT is, IMO, not only a resource for beginners on the forums, but I see it as a way of encouraging people to become more involved with the Ubuntu community
[01:07] <PrivateVoid> I currently have a thread on the forums asking people what they would like to see 'taught'
[01:07] <bodhi_zazen> so our members may go to Launchpad, MOTU, wiki, and classroot
[01:07] <bodhi_zazen> *classroom
[01:07] <Rocket2DMn> +1 bodhi_zazen
[01:07] <PrivateVoid> and some threads asking for interested instructors
[01:08] <bodhi_zazen> PrivateVoid, link ?
[01:08] <PrivateVoid> I think the easiest way to build up, as bodhi_zazen suggested in the BT meeting, is to start with the Q&A sessions
[01:08] <pleia2> sounds good
[01:09] <PrivateVoid> bodhi_zazen, they were not stickied... give me a second
[01:09] <bodhi_zazen> np PrivateVoid, don't worry about it
[01:09] <PrivateVoid> call for topics -- http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=984986
[01:09] <pleia2> PrivateVoid: so I'm thinking you get these up and running, and when you want to host one drop a note to ubuntu-classroom list to get put on the wiki schedule (or just add it yourself)
[01:09] <PrivateVoid> call for instructors - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=997940
[01:09] <DarkKnight> hey i m a newbie...and wanted to be on the MOTU team....i read the wiki page...but there are certain things that i didnt understand
[01:09] <PrivateVoid> pleia2, noted
[01:10] <DarkKnight> I did file a bug
[01:10] <bodhi_zazen> DarkKnight, if you wish, come to #ubuntuforums-beginners
[01:10] <bodhi_zazen> we have members who will guide you if needed
[01:10] <DarkKnight> bodhi_zazen; newbie in the sense i m newbie to the development process
[01:11] <bodhi_zazen> As I said, one of our goals is to make the greater Ubuntu community more "accessible"
[01:11] <bodhi_zazen> I'm sure you could teach us all a few tricks DarkKnight :)
[01:11] <DarkKnight> bodhi_zazen; wat tricks
[01:12] <pleia2> so once we have a class scheduled, we'll help promote if you need us
[01:12] <bodhi_zazen> that would be awesome pleia2
[01:12] <bodhi_zazen> I have suggested we start small and build ;)
[01:12]  * pleia2 nods
[01:12] <PrivateVoid> yes bodhi_zazen the Q&A is an excellent starting point
[01:13] <bodhi_zazen> Thank you for your time, we will be in touch
[01:13] <DarkKnight> i didnt get a word of wat u ppl had been saying
[01:13] <pleia2> DarkKnight: we're having a meeting :)
[01:13] <pleia2> PrivateVoid: are there any other ways you can think we can help you guys out?
[01:14] <DarkKnight> pleia2; okkk.....
[01:14] <PrivateVoid> pleia2, we need instructors... and people willing to write some courses
[01:14] <DarkKnight> pleia2; ya i need help
[01:14] <PrivateVoid> FAQs and HowTos are ok, but not really 'courses'
[01:14]  * pleia2 nods
[01:14] <PrivateVoid> so the format has to be slightly different
[01:15] <PrivateVoid> FAQs and How Tos can be preparation material for the Q&A sessions, but the courses would be more 'lesson' based
[01:15] <pleia2> so the way I see things, is Classroom itself really woud like to get our own courses going again, but if we could delegate that to your team it might be a worthwhile thing
[01:15] <PrivateVoid> that would be great... but my 'team' is rather small right now...
[01:15] <PrivateVoid> so it might be best to work in harmony with one another
[01:15] <pleia2> unfortunately we've already been burnt by working with another team for such things, there was a New Users team a long time ago that died :)
[01:16]  * PrivateVoid nods
[01:16] <PrivateVoid> I understand
[01:16] <DarkKnight> pleia2; so wat r being thought in the classroom...and how r ppl across the world going 2 learn
[01:16] <PrivateVoid> bodhi_zazen, will whipe me if I fade away and die
[01:16] <PrivateVoid> so I have no ability to just leave you all hanging
[01:17] <pleia2> DarkKnight: can you hold off new questions until we finish up this discussion?
[01:17] <PrivateVoid> DarkKnight, we will be making classes... about Bash Scripting, programming Python, etc... and then we will offer the courses in the IRC channel and via wiki/forum posts
[01:17] <bodhi_zazen> pleia2, although it is early, I think the BT is getting established and if anything I see growth
[01:17] <pleia2> DarkKnight: the classroom site is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom
[01:17] <pleia2> bodhi_zazen: *nod*
[01:18] <bodhi_zazen> If you have concerns or feedback we would be all ears
[01:18] <DarkKnight> pleia2; thanq.....ohh plzz don't mind for having interrupted
[01:18] <DarkKnight> ur discussion
[01:19] <bodhi_zazen> I think we would add to rather then take over if you will
[01:19] <pleia2> ok, so maybe you guys start off with the q&a sessions, we promote, and take it from there?
[01:19]  * pleia2 nods
[01:19] <bodhi_zazen> We would start small for sure, and build
[01:19]  * PrivateVoid nods
[01:19] <pleia2> honestly Classroom has kinda fizzled out these past couple years, it's been tough to get regoing and perhaps what we ultimately *need* is another team helping out
[01:20] <PrivateVoid> that sounds good pleia2 do you have any instructors... or a good idea on how to recruit them?
[01:20] <PrivateVoid> that, I think, will be the largest challenge
[01:20] <pleia2> thus far we've primarily used planet, posts to UWN, and our own connections within the community (ie - nag people who know stuff to do classes)
[01:20] <PrivateVoid> the forums, the wiki and launchpad all give people, those who seek it, 'exposure' and 'recognition'
[01:21] <PrivateVoid> perhaps if there was a way to give people that 'recognition' for being an instructor we would get some more people interested
[01:21]  * pleia2 notes that nagging has been primary tool
[01:21] <bodhi_zazen> PrivateVoid, do we not have a few interested instructors in the BT ?
[01:22] <bodhi_zazen> It would be a start
[01:22] <PrivateVoid> bodhi_zazen, being honest we have people that have expressed an interest... but only one that I am aware of that ran a class
[01:22] <PrivateVoid> the Q&A sessions would make it easier, I think, to get people to commit to the time
[01:22] <bodhi_zazen> Well, to be honest, I think they will respond to "leadership" and "structure"
[01:23] <bodhi_zazen> It is nebulous, being an instructor
[01:23] <spiderbatdad> most do
[01:23] <bodhi_zazen> but if you tell them what is needed, give them structure, they will follow
[01:23] <bodhi_zazen> you are a natural leader
[01:23] <PrivateVoid> bodhi_zazen, I agree... that is what I am trying to build...
[01:23] <spiderbatdad> +1
[01:24] <pleia2> bodhi_zazen: +1
[01:24] <PrivateVoid> I just enable people to shine
[01:24] <PrivateVoid> not really any leadership in that...
[01:24] <bodhi_zazen> yes there is, and that is my line :)
[01:24] <pleia2> so for classroom stuff, we developed this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom/Guidelines
[01:24]  * PrivateVoid does not take compliments well... they embarrass him... as much as he appreciates them
[01:25]  * PrivateVoid reads wiki
[01:25] <bodhi_zazen> bookmarked pleia2
[01:25] <PrivateVoid> good structure pleia2
[01:25] <pleia2> it's a bit rough around the edges
[01:26] <pleia2> but basic ideas are there
[01:26] <PrivateVoid> it is good... we can buff the edges
[01:26] <pleia2> :)
[01:26] <PrivateVoid> I think writing the wiki ahead of time and adding to it after the class would be a good idea
[01:27] <PrivateVoid> perhaps a wiki for the main 'subject' and logs of previous classes
[01:27] <pleia2> PrivateVoid: like for a series on a similar subject?
[01:27] <PrivateVoid> yes
[01:27]  * pleia2 nods
[01:28] <PrivateVoid> I would think certain classes will see many students pass through the 'doors'
[01:29] <bodhi_zazen> I am going to need to get to my family soon
[01:29] <bodhi_zazen> pleia2, you can always find us at #ubuntuforums-beginners :)
[01:30]  * pleia2 recalls :)
[01:30] <bodhi_zazen> It is a relaxed channel, take care not to click on the links :)
[01:30] <pleia2> I stopped lurking because people were always welcoming me like I was new
[01:30] <pleia2> hehe
[01:30] <PrivateVoid> I hang here... and on many other channels
[01:30] <pleia2> I knew where to find you guys if I needed ;)
[01:30] <bodhi_zazen> We like fresh victims
[01:31] <bodhi_zazen> doh, I mean members
[01:31]  * PrivateVoid evil grin
[01:31] <Rocket2DMn> mmmmm blooooood
[01:31] <pleia2> haha
[01:31] <pleia2> alas, I dislike forums :)
[01:32] <pleia2> ok, so since bodhi_zazen has to scoot soon - I'll work up some gathering instructors ideas and post them to the wiki, you guys start working on a couple pepole to start running classes and then nudge me or the classroom list when you're ready to get help for promotion and stuff?
[01:33] <bodhi_zazen> Well, that is one way we can work together, we are strong on forums, weaker elsewhere
[01:33] <PrivateVoid> sounds good!!
[01:33] <bodhi_zazen> +1 pleia2
[01:34] <pleia2> PrivateVoid: I'd be interested in other thoughst of yours for expanding classes beyond forums/wiki (you had mentioned moodle at some point), but I think that's for a later time
[01:34] <pleia2> don't want to tackle too much at once
[01:34] <PrivateVoid> yes.... if we get things rolling...
[01:34] <PrivateVoid> a app like moodle could really help
[01:35] <PrivateVoid> I wrote an entire course for School Administrators regarding security in Moodle...
[01:35] <PrivateVoid> so I have a bit of experience with it... though not an expert
[01:36]  * pleia2 knows very little about moodle
[01:37]  * PrivateVoid nods and waves
[01:37] <dinda> i know about Moodle
[01:37] <PrivateVoid> thanks for the time on your docket classroom team
[01:37] <PrivateVoid> I appreciate the opportunity
[01:37] <PrivateVoid> and hope that I can assist in moving the education of Ubuntu users forward
[01:39] <pleia2> your enthusiasm is much needed :)
[01:40] <PrivateVoid> I hope it rubs off...
[01:41] <PrivateVoid> to be honest... I gave up computer gaming... and Ubuntu is what I am focused on instead
[01:42] <pleia2> I did the same a while back
[01:42] <PrivateVoid> Cool...
[01:42] <PrivateVoid> I was very, very in to Guild Wars...
[01:42] <PrivateVoid> and World of Warcrack before that
[01:43] <dinda> can I ask a general question about this channel?
[01:43] <pleia2> dinda: sure
[01:43] <dinda> why do so many folks hang out here?  are they waiting for something to happen?  or just like to lurk?
[01:44] <pleia2> Ubuntu Open Week is held here
[01:44] <pleia2> I think a lot of people join during that, and lurk :)
[01:44] <dinda> that's one every 6 months
[01:44] <pleia2> developers week is also hosted here, which is 6-12 months
[01:44] <pleia2> I think most folks just lurk and look in when something is going on if it's interesting
[01:44] <dinda> are there any other regularly scheduled events here?
[01:45] <pleia2> motu school had regular sessions for a while
[01:45] <dinda> yeah James_w was very helpful in trying to get those going
[01:45]  * pleia2 nods
[01:45] <pleia2> they were great :)
[01:45] <pleia2> alas, we don't have much else going on
[01:45]  * Rocket2DMn returns to his tiny corners of the IRC net
[01:45] <pleia2> so I scour the ubuntu community for other teams doing classes, and drag them here
[01:46]  * pleia2 points at PrivateVoid
[01:46] <dinda> :)
[01:46] <pleia2> like beginners team! :)
[01:46] <PrivateVoid> I will try to build it... I will...
[01:46] <dinda> we've had some success with our weekly session in the training team
[01:47] <dinda> but need to add some evening US time sessions
[01:47] <PrivateVoid> dinda, another team for teaching... cool... we really need to pool our resources
[01:47] <PrivateVoid> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Education
[01:47] <PrivateVoid> I am working on getting some stuff going with pleia2
[01:48] <dinda> getting good session leaders is key
[01:48] <PrivateVoid> in using the wiki/forums and IRC to hold classes and Q&A sessions
[01:48] <PrivateVoid> yes, it is...
[01:48] <dinda> one guy found it really hard to lead an irc session with all the crosstalk in the channel
[01:49] <PrivateVoid> +m
[01:49] <PrivateVoid> set the channel to +m
[01:49] <PrivateVoid> that should cut that down
[01:49] <pleia2> yeah, we tend to leave +m up to the instructor
[01:49] <dinda> some topics lend themselves to irc better than others I suppose
[01:50] <pleia2> the ubuntu women open week presentation I did ended up having to be moderated
[01:50] <PrivateVoid> I agree dinda I see IRC being used in some courses as a 'help' session that augments class lessons that are forum/wiki based
[01:50] <PrivateVoid> that have material that is to be learned with assignments
[01:51] <dinda> good luck, let me know if i can help
[01:52] <PrivateVoid> dinda, you can help...
[01:52] <PrivateVoid> how do I contact you?
[01:52] <dinda><EMAIL_ADDRESS>:)
[01:52] <dinda> like pleia2 I'm not much a forums person either
[01:52] <PrivateVoid> k
[01:53] <PrivateVoid> not an issue... I am less a forum person than most of the BT guys
[01:53] <PrivateVoid> I mostly hang on IRC
[01:53] <PrivateVoid> and use LP to answer questions
[02:03] <dinda> ok, gotta go fight with BZR some more
[02:03] <dinda> night all!
[18:22] <DasEI> what happened here today ?


[04:02] <CarlFK> https://launchpad.net/~carlfk/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+build/8748885
[04:02] <CarlFK> how long from "      Successfully built..." till I can apt-get it ?
[04:02] <CarlFK> oh wait.. wrong package...
[07:29] <ESphynx> hey guys, I always get an error trying to delete a recipe... (Error ID: OOPS-9b43fcb814667c3eba45473fb24f31bd)
[07:45] <wgrant> ESphynx: That's a timeout due to the number of builds that recipe has. If you retry a few times it might work.
[07:45] <wgrant> But if there are too many builds it might simply take too long to break the links.
[07:46] <wgrant> ESphynx: Do you particularly need to delete it?
[07:48] <ESphynx> wgrant: I did retry many times
[07:48] <ESphynx> wgrant: It's an old recipe that was for Lucid builds, since Launchpad no longer supports Lucid builds...
[07:48] <ESphynx> https://code.launchpad.net/~jerstlouis/+recipe/ecere-daily-lucid  -- That's the recipe
[07:52] <wgrant> ESphynx: Try now?
[07:55] <ESphynx> Timeout error
[08:15] <wgrant> :(
[13:58] <kyrofa> Hey all, I have an LP API question
[13:58] <kyrofa> Actually, perhaps a number of questions. First of all, does anyone know of a script already written that will verify that a developer with a given email address has signed the CLA?
[13:59] <kyrofa> (which is what I'm trying to do)
[14:02] <kyrofa> If not, I'm trying to figure out a way to check is a given user is a member of the CLA signers group. But I'm not sure how to work up to the group from the user, especially with the ability for a user to be a member of a group by being a member of another group :P
[14:04] <cjwatson> kyrofa: I don't know of such a script, but that should basically be a one-liner: lp.people.getByEmail(email=foo) in lp.people['contributor-agreement-canonical'].participants
[14:04] <cjwatson> (participants contains both direct and indirect members)
[14:05] <cjwatson> kyrofa: (beware that Canonical employees won't necessarily have explicitly signed the CLA, so you may want to check for participation in ~canonical too; and this will only work for people whose e-mail address is public)
[14:05] <kyrofa> cjwatson, ah, quick and easy!
[14:06] <kyrofa> cjwatson, and yeah, I personally haven't signed it, so that was exactly my plan :)
[14:08] <kyrofa> cjwatson, oh, except that group is private-- I can't check membership anonymously
[14:08] <kyrofa> Hmm
[14:17] <cjwatson> kyrofa: tarmac has an allowedcontributors plugin that does something similar, BTW.  of course it would still have to have access to ~canonical membership somehow, I forget how that typically works
[14:18] <kyrofa> cjwatson, I'm working on a github integration
[14:18] <cjwatson> sure, just as example code
[14:19] <kyrofa> cjwatson, oh, good idea. I'll go take a look :)
[14:24] <kyrofa> cjwatson, ah, it logs in as some tarmac user


[19:21] <zippo^> Hi members of Ubuntu-members, how do I change a color of about:blank for Firefox?
[19:22] <diogenes_> zippo^, change to what?
[19:22] <zippo^> a color
[19:22] <zippo^> current is white
[19:22] <zippo^> but I want black
[19:32] <diogenes_> zippo^, in your /home/username/.mozilla/firefox/xyzprofile make a forder called chrome
[19:32] <diogenes_> in /home/username/.mozilla/firefox/xyzprofile/chrome create a file called userContent.css
[19:33] <zippo^> ok
[19:34] <diogenes_> in that file userContent.css paste the following: http://dpaste.com/1BPCCK2
[19:34] <diogenes_> after that save, close the file and in Firefox address bar type the following: about:profiles and pick 'restart normally'
[19:35] <diogenes_> and you should be having a black about:blank
[19:35] <zippo^> I cannot find: folder "chrome", diogenes_
[19:36] <diogenes_> zippo^, you need to create it.
[19:41] <zippo^> yes, i am making...
[19:45] <zippo^> it happen nothing, diogenes_
[19:47] <diogenes_> zippo^, in about:config lok for: toolkit.legacyUserProfileCustomizations.stylesheets
[19:47] <diogenes_> is it set to true or false?
[19:49] <zippo^> false, diogenes_
[19:49] <zippo^> Must I change to true?
[19:50] <diogenes_> yes change to true and restart browser.
[19:50] <zippo^> YES! It works, diogenes_ !
[19:50] <zippo^> thank you
[19:51] <diogenes_> you're welcome.
[19:51] <zippo^> effe edit, for the future
[19:56] <zippo^> Done :)
[20:00] <zippo^> Is it possible that I do manual sync an address book between Google Contacts and Thunderbird without extension of Thunderbird, diogenes_ ?
[20:04] <diogenes_> zippo^, i use neither of those so can't help. sorry.
[21:02] <zippo^> ok dio
[21:19] <zippo^> Do I need a knowledig for theme make: CSS?


[00:29] <cyberanger> wrst: Ouch
[01:18] <wrst> Just hard to get people together
[03:35] <cyberanger> wrst: true, granted I've seen groups where the physical meetings stopped, but the mailing list stayed active
[22:23] <wrst> I don't think either has been strong
[22:54] <cyberanger> wrst: Mailing list has been dead for years
[22:54] <cyberanger> (I'm on it)