[05:46] <stickyboy> et.archive.ubuntu.com sux
[06:24] <philipballew> Kilos, saw your email about Ubuntu Africa. Figured I should join here.
[06:24] <Kilos> haha hi there philipballew
[06:24] <Kilos> welcome
[06:25] <philipballew> Kilos, yeah! Seems like cool stuff here.
[06:25] <Kilos> we have the top and bottom ends of africa connected with some in between
[06:26] <Kilos> have you had a look at the site?
[06:30] <Kilos> philipballew  are you part of the news team?
[06:31] <philipballew> Kilos, I am on the email list for the news team.
[06:31] <philipballew> Kilos, whats up with the nation in between?
[06:31] <Kilos> oh cool. i hope it gets into the news letter
[06:32] <philipballew> Kilos, only news articles are usually added
[06:32] <Kilos> many have faded away or been sucked into lugs
[06:32] <philipballew> but we can do that
[06:32] <philipballew> Kilos, does Africa have any large Linux events?
[06:32] <Kilos> yes please i think this is news
[06:34] <Kilos> i have found some stuff about an event in drc in february and last night i got some peeps to translate my greeting i use to contact countries with into french to mail them
[06:34] <Kilos> i havent had much luck with english to some of the countries
[06:37] <Kilos> stickyboy  look in the topic here
[06:38] <stickyboy> Kilos: Ahhhhhh
[06:38] <stickyboy> yes.
[06:38] <stickyboy> Lemme look.
[06:38] <Jacques_Stry> Site looks awesome
[06:39] <stickyboy> Kilos: Just emailed tsega to warn him of my impending arrival in Addis. ;)
[06:40] <stickyboy> Trying to see if we can meet up with some Linux people on Saturday.
[06:40] <stickyboy> Kilos: Awesome site, br0. Looks great.
[06:40] <Kilos> lovely hey Jacques_Stry
[06:40] <Jacques_Stry> Yes!
[06:41] <Kilos> the guys did a wonderful job
[06:43] <Kilos> stickyboy  please impress in tsegas head the importance of getting contacts for us all along that west coast
[06:43] <Kilos> and tell him to tell them facebook isnt the only way one can communicate
[06:44] <stickyboy> lol
[06:44] <stickyboy> I tweet with teh hashtags of #Africa, #Linux, and #Ethiopia. :D
[06:44] <stickyboy> Nobody responded...
[06:44] <Kilos> eish
[06:44] <Kilos> bunch of slackers
[06:45] <Kilos> oh stickyboy  on the site just refresh the first page a few times and watch
[06:46] <philipballew> Kilos, link to the event in the drc?
[06:46] <Kilos> im looking for the email i got the info on philipballew
[06:47] <stickyboy> Kilos: Ok, just tweeted from Nairobi LUG to Ubuntu ZA, Uganda LUG, and JoziLUG...
[06:47] <stickyboy> https://twitter.com/mralanorth/status/590043658646196225
[06:47] <philipballew> Kilos, where are you based out of?
[06:48] <stickyboy> Hopefully get some retweets... and some people to meetup with in Addis.
[06:48] <Kilos> south africa
[06:48] <stickyboy> Sud Afriq
[06:49] <philipballew> Kilos, nice.
[06:49] <Kilos> philipballew  for some reason when i need to find a mail it will hide away
[06:50] <Kilos> ill ping you as soon as i locate it
[06:50] <philipballew> Kilos, my problem as well.
[06:50] <Kilos> lol
[06:51] <Kilos> it was actually from someone on the board i think
[06:51] <philipballew> Starting an Ubucon is a cool thing to do as well
[06:52] <Kilos> well as soon as we have taught peeps that irc is a cool tool we can go further
[06:52] <Kilos> atm im still hunting connections to the missing locos
[06:53] <philipballew> Kilos, how long have you been an Ubuntu member
[06:53] <Kilos> since february\
[06:53] <Kilos> newbie me
[06:55] <philipballew> Kilos, welcome!
[06:55] <Kilos> ty
[07:04] <Kilos> oh philipballew  i just remembered the mail was from toddy
[07:04] <Kilos> he is still offline
[07:05] <philipballew> Kilos, ah  see
[07:08] <Kilos> oh no his was about mali
[07:08] <Kilos> eish
[07:10]  * Kilos goes digging some more
[07:21] <Kilos> Padroni  site link in topic
[08:05] <Kilos> spotty  tell philipballew  http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-cd/3026-ubuntu-global-jam-at-dr-congo/
[08:05] <spotty> Kilos: Okay, I'll tell philipballew on freenode
[08:42] <stickyboy> Kilos: http://www.iceaddis.com/
[08:42] <stickyboy> Gonna maybe meet up there...
[08:42] <stickyboy> Who knew they had a hipster startup hub.
[08:42] <Kilos> cool
[08:42] <stickyboy> Already got some dude on Twitter saying he might come.
[08:43] <stickyboy> And tsega is super excited too.
[08:43] <Kilos> they are active just not on irc
[08:43] <Kilos> sigh
[08:46] <Kilos> i just mailed the drc ubuntu group so if you know french and they cant speak english please help stickyboy
[08:47] <Kilos> hard work trying to find groups and point them here
[08:48] <Kilos> even tsega forgets to come here so give him a kick as well
[08:49] <Kilos> he was going to find all the west coast groups and point them here but seems to have forgotten as well
[08:57] <Kilos> drc just replied in french, i have no idea what they said
[08:57] <stickyboy> Wow!
[08:57] <stickyboy> Nice.
[08:57] <stickyboy> lol
[08:57] <stickyboy> I will kick tsega.
[08:57] <Kilos> lol
[08:57] <stickyboy> Kilos: I need to add links to the Ubuntu sites on our blog.
[08:57] <stickyboy> And you need to add on your sites.
[08:57] <stickyboy> We need to build a real network.
[08:59] <stickyboy> pieter2627: Sup
[08:59] <Kilos> well pieter2627  is one of my dev team
[08:59] <Kilos> he knows how to add links
[09:00] <Kilos> but our site is already linked to here with the embedded irc client
[09:01] <stickyboy> Kilos: #winning
[09:01] <stickyboy> I'll work to push FLOSS in Africa, and you focus on Ubuntu. ;)
[09:01] <stickyboy> bazinga
[09:02] <Kilos> yip stickyboy  together we can move mountains
[09:02] <stickyboy> w00t
[09:03]  * pieter2627 seems to have connection issues, now wonders if he was called upon or just mentioned (sup)
[09:04] <Kilos> mentioned and sticky greeted you some where too i think
[09:05] <pieter2627> oh hi stickyboy o/
[09:05] <Kilos> stickyboy  you guys can do the twitter thing and facebook
[09:05] <Kilos> i dont enjoy either
[09:05] <Kilos> im an irc person
[09:06] <Kilos> stickyboy  tweet the site link too
[09:06] <Kilos> if that doesnt bring peeps here i dont know what will
[09:07] <stickyboy> I don't use Facebook. :D
[09:08] <stickyboy> Kilos: I'm all about mailing lists too.
[09:09] <Kilos> eish
[09:09] <Kilos> i lose mails
[09:09] <stickyboy> Kilos: When you use gmail it just files them away under a label "Nairobi LUG" :D
[09:09] <stickyboy> Pretty simple.
[09:09] <stickyboy> But yeah.
[09:09] <Kilos> well there is a link to the mailing list on the sir=te as well
[09:09] <stickyboy> We need all of these methods.
[09:09] <stickyboy> And we will move mountains together.
[09:09] <stickyboy> I have 28 people idling in #nairobilug.
[09:10] <Kilos> im to old to keep up man
[09:10] <stickyboy> Damn idlers... need to have people chat.
[09:10] <Kilos> lol
[09:10] <elacheche> Hey boys!
[09:10] <Kilos> hi elacheche
[09:10] <elacheche> :)
[09:10] <stickyboy> elacheche: Hey now, we have ladies too. :D
[09:11] <Kilos> elacheche  i need help
[09:13] <elacheche> stickyboy, sorry :D hey GUYS :D
[09:13] <elacheche> Kilos, how can I help?
[09:14] <Kilos> i goti contacted the drc with a greeting i had translated into french and they replied in french and the only word i know is merde
[09:15] <Kilos> ill forward to you
[09:15] <elacheche> Go ahead :) I'll translate that for you :)
[09:15] <stickyboy> Man, you know the Ethiopian government are some tricky bastards.
[09:16] <stickyboy> Hacking activists in the diaspora...
[09:18] <stickyboy> Gotta encrypt all teh things here...
[09:19] <Kilos> ai! i always forget to delete the mail to : bit
[09:19] <Kilos> what a twit
[09:20] <Kilos> elacheche  you cant take over the contact with them too if you like, it will save all this translating
[09:21] <Kilos> or fint one that can do english and point him here
[09:21] <Kilos> s/fint/find
[09:22] <elacheche> Kilos, that was what LoCo Team?
[09:22] <Kilos> drc
[09:23] <Kilos> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cd
[09:23]  * elacheche never seen that word before.. He googled it.. Now he feels more intelligent :D thanks Kilos
[09:23] <Kilos> what word
[09:23] <elacheche> drc :D
[09:23] <Kilos> lol
[09:24] <elacheche> Really I never seen it before :D Now I know what that means :)
[09:24] <Kilos> good
[09:25] <Kilos> they seem to be going strong, now to get them here
[09:25] <Kilos> you guys can chat in french
[09:25] <elacheche> OK.. :)
[09:26] <Kilos> hehe
[09:33] <elacheche> Kilos, check inbox :)
[09:33] <elacheche> wanna me to translate or no need?
[09:33] <Kilos> you will find i sometimes use ai! that is equal to eish
[09:33] <stickyboy> elacheche: Where are you from?
[09:33] <elacheche> stickyboy, Tunisia
[09:33] <Kilos> elacheche  please take over that whole contact
[09:33] <elacheche> OK :) I'll try to get him in here..
[09:34] <Kilos> ty very much
[09:36] <stickyboy> elacheche: Ooh, cool. :D
[09:36] <stickyboy> elacheche: How is Tunisia? Cheap? Good food? I want to come somewhere... :D
[09:36]  * stickyboy is in Nairobi, Kenya.
[09:45] <elacheche> stickyboy, good food yeah that sure but can't really help on the other thing.. :)  you need ask someone else.. There is many Students here from Africa, for sure there is many from Kenya too.. they can tell you if ti's cheap or not.. :/
[09:46]  * elacheche need to dive in an important job task.. See you later guys :)
[09:46] <stickyboy> elacheche: Adios
[09:46] <Kilos> cool
[09:51] <Kilos> hi lin
[09:52] <Padroni> hi lin
[09:52] <lin> hey guys
[12:43] <waraba> hi
[12:43] <Kilos> hi waraba
[12:43] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-africa
[12:44] <Kilos> where are you waraba  ?
[12:44] <waraba> thank i come fro
[12:44] <waraba>  mali
[12:44] <Kilos> welcome here
[12:44] <Jacques_Stry> Welcome
[12:45] <waraba> thank you
[12:45] <Kilos> waraba   see http://ubuntu-africa.info
[12:46] <waraba> so i am francophone
[12:46] <waraba> i come after the mail of miles
[12:46] <Kilos> yes i was worried when i sent the greeting no one would understand
[12:46] <Kilos> i am miles
[12:47] <Kilos> we have guys from tunisia that also speak french
[12:47] <waraba> i am the admin of mali loco team
[12:48] <Kilos> congrats
[12:48] <Kilos> please invite your members here
[12:49] <waraba> ok
[12:52] <Kilos> and if you know guys in the surroung countries invite them for me please
[12:52] <Kilos> surrounding
[12:53] <Kilos> this is a massive project but we are getting there
[12:54] <waraba> ok i undertsand the project
[12:55] <Kilos> elacheche  you here?
[12:55] <elacheche> for minutes Kilos :)
[12:55] <Kilos> say hi in french to waraba
[12:55] <elacheche> hey waraba
[12:56] <elacheche> Salut waraba :) :)
[12:56] <elacheche> Kilos, already got a domain name?
[12:57] <Kilos> for?
[12:57] <elacheche> I think that if you ask the LoCo Team they can give us http://ubuntu-africa.org :)
[12:57] <Kilos> i did before we atrted and they said we must find out own host
[12:58] <Kilos> but you are welcome to try again
[12:58] <elacheche> You know what I like in it:
[12:58] <Kilos> what
[13:00] <elacheche> it's simple.. and have all the infos.. Since 2007 my people tried to make a website.. many tried and failed.. 3 months ago I knew why.. They all did the same mistake, they tried to make it the perfect website with all the features in the world.. So I started my own project based on 1 page website.. hope that I'll make it public during may :)
[13:00] <Kilos> ah
[13:01] <Jacques_Stry> :) Rather add features as you go yes
[13:01] <Kilos> this one is bzr and nikola
[13:02] <Kilos> all you guys use github things
[13:02] <elacheche> And it's based on Nikola :D
[13:02] <elacheche> awesome :)
[13:03] <elacheche> Kilos, I use bzr too :)
[13:03] <Kilos> good
[13:03] <Kilos> our superfly  is very clever
[13:04] <elacheche> Time to go back to work :)
[13:04] <Kilos> enjoy
[14:42] <Kilos> hi philipballew
[14:42] <Kilos> did you get the bots message
[14:43] <Kilos> oh you need to say something first maybe
[14:46] <philipballew> Kilos, I see it now
[14:46] <philipballew> I opened it and I'll look at it today.
[14:46]  * philipballew rides off to work on his bike
[14:46] <Kilos> cool, i need to get a french backup here
[14:47] <Kilos> go safe
[15:09] <stickyboy> Kilos: In airport.
[15:09] <stickyboy> So excite. Going to preach Arch Linux and GitHub to the Ethiopians :D
[15:09] <Kilos> fly safe stickyboy
[15:10] <Kilos> nono
[15:10] <stickyboy> (lol)
[15:10] <stickyboy> lol
[15:10] <Kilos> you should have a buntu shirt on
[15:10] <stickyboy> lol
[15:10] <stickyboy> :D
[15:10] <stickyboy> While I'm preaching? :D
[15:10] <Kilos> lol well you are stepping up in the world so why not
[15:10] <stickyboy> I have two GitHub t-shirts I got in the USA last week. I'll give them out at the meetup. :D
[15:11] <Kilos> haha
[15:13]  * elacheche back to tell that I have Ubuntu SWAG → http://ubuntiste-msakni.legtux.org/node/27 and going back to work :D
[15:14] <stickyboy> elacheche: Don't go back to work!
[15:14] <stickyboy> I want to hear about delicious Tunisian food.
[15:14] <Kilos> lol
[15:15] <Kilos> what doies this mean
[15:15] <Kilos> does
[15:15] <Kilos> Donc il ya un rendez-vous prévu sur le canal IRC?
[15:15] <Kilos> Sinon, c'est mieux qu'on échange en anglais alors ;)
[15:15] <elacheche> stickyboy, so sorry dude.. But am already late.. I was supposed to deliver this project since last month :-s
[15:16] <Kilos> eish hurry
[15:16] <elacheche> Donc il ya un rendez-vous prévu sur le canal IRC? → So there is a planned meeting on IRC?
[15:16] <elacheche> Sinon, c'est mieux qu'on échange en anglais alors ;) → Otherwise, it's better to communicate in English
[15:17] <Kilos> yay they can do english
[15:17] <elacheche> Pas de RDV, on est toujours sur irc.. → There is no meeting, we are always on IRC
[15:17] <stickyboy> elacheche: Go work, then take pictures of what you eat for dinner. k?
[15:18] <Kilos> hahaha
[15:18] <Kilos> all you think about is food stickyboy  , dont you nairobi peeps eat
[15:18] <elacheche> Les gars veulent que tout les LoCo de l'Afrique seront là bas pour faire connaissance et peut être Kilos a un planning pour quelque chose ensemble prochainement :) → The guys wants that all Adricain LoCo teams be there to know each others, maybe kilos have other plans soon
[15:19] <Kilos> whew
[15:19]  * stickyboy is eating mexican beans and rice with guacamole at the airport.
[15:19] <stickyboy> With a cappucino, of course.
[15:19] <elacheche> Pour l'instant il essaie de réunir tlm là bas..→ For now he tries to group everybody right there
[15:19] <elacheche> Oui ça sera cool si  on discute en Anglais.. Sinon je pourrai être le traducteur :D → It'll be cool if you can speak English, otherwise I'll be a translator :D
[15:19] <stickyboy> Sweet, I want to register linux.africa and then put the page up on GitHub.
[15:20] <Kilos> yay
[15:21] <elacheche> stickyboy, I already ate.. Next time i'll get photos for you :) I didn't take food photos since last summer maybe, you can take a look here https://instagram.com/elacheche/ maybe you find something you like
[15:21]  * elacheche BRB
[15:21] <Kilos> lol
[15:22] <stickyboy> elacheche: I was in Lebanon a few months ago. Ate the best shawarma of my lifeeeeee.
[15:23] <stickyboy> When the guy gave it to me he said, "Welcome to Syria!" in this thick accent... but he was smiling. LOL.
[15:23] <Kilos> now you talking
[15:25] <stickyboy> elacheche: All I see are pictures of some cat. :D
[15:25] <Kilos> shhhh now he has to go work
[15:26] <stickyboy> Well you're not talking to me!
[15:26] <Kilos> no the noisy person
[15:27] <Kilos> stickyboy  here is one of my site building team
[15:27] <Kilos> pieter2627  meet stickyboy
[15:28] <Kilos> he makes a lot of noise but actually not a bad guy
[15:28] <pieter2627> great to meet you stickyboy
[15:28] <Kilos> now he is sulking
[15:29]  * pieter2627 made one change and is on the site building team :P
[15:29] <Kilos> well did you or didnt you
[15:31] <stickyboy> Kilos: :P
[15:31] <stickyboy> I am only on the site critiquing team. :P
[15:31] <Kilos> why you all stick tongue out at me
[15:32] <Kilos> yeah
[15:32] <Kilos> :D
[15:32]  * pieter2627 learned it from his happy dog :P
[15:32] <Kilos> lol
[15:33] <pieter2627> ah, a critique. that is always valuable
[15:35] <Kilos> oh pieter2627  there is a wrong word used there
[15:35] <Kilos> Kubuntu is Ubuntu using the KDE interface which is a more tradition User Interface.
[15:35] <stickyboy> pieter2627: Actually, I'm heavily involved in the Nairobi GNU/Linux Users Group.
[15:36] <stickyboy> :P
[15:36] <Kilos> should be traditional
[15:36] <Kilos> if you can fix it and propose im sure pro will merge
[15:38] <pieter2627> Kilos: which one?
[15:39] <Kilos>  Kubuntu is Ubuntu using the KDE interface which is a more tradition User Interface.
[15:39] <Kilos> tradition should be traditional
[15:39] <Kilos> on the africa site
[15:40] <pieter2627> yeah traditional sounds better
[15:44] <stickyboy> Time to get on a plane.
[15:44] <Kilos> get on man
[15:44] <Kilos> and fly safe
[15:44] <stickyboy> Peace out
[19:21] <elacheche_anis> o/
[19:22] <Kilos> h elacheche_anis
[19:22] <Kilos> hi too
[19:23] <Kilos> have you answered those mails
[19:27] <elacheche_anis> what mails?
[19:27] <Kilos> from the drc guys
[19:28] <Kilos> or was i looking wrong again
[19:28] <elacheche_anis> Yep.. I already sent you the translation :) check my last discussion here.. → BTW we need an irc bot here..
[19:29] <inetpro> !
[19:29] <inetpro> spotty: hi
[19:29] <spotty> hello
[19:29] <inetpro> elacheche_anis: talk to spotty
[19:30] <Kilos> spotty coffee on
[19:30]  * spotty flips the salt-timer
[19:30] <elacheche_anis> Hey inetpro spotty..
[19:30] <elacheche_anis> About what inetpro
[19:30] <inetpro> spotty: who are you?
[19:30] <spotty> inetpro: Erk, dunno
[19:31] <elacheche_anis> Hold on guys :)
[19:31] <inetpro> spotty: what can you do?
[19:31] <spotty> inetpro: I can help you with: administrative functions, bot accounts and permissions, debugging me, looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff.
[19:31] <spotty> Ask me "help me with ..." for more details.
[19:31] <elacheche_anis> Oh! a bot :D
[19:31] <Kilos> lol
[19:31] <inetpro> elacheche_anis: yep, she's a bot
[19:31] <elacheche_anis> Did it log? Where the logs are?
[19:32] <elacheche_anis> sorry, my bad, I should use she not it :D
[19:32] <elacheche_anis> Can she log?
[19:32] <elacheche_anis> Where are the logs? I was about to ask canonical's sysadmin team to add ubuntulog to our channel
[19:33] <inetpro> elacheche_anis: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/04/20/%23ubuntu-africa.html
[19:33] <Kilos> ubuntulog is here
[19:33] <Kilos> you think i sleep all day elacheche_anis
[19:33] <elacheche_anis> I need a coffee :'( didn't seen him
[19:34] <elacheche_anis> Sorry Kilos.. I was sleeping x( not you
[19:34] <Kilos> lol
[19:34] <spotty> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[19:34] <Kilos> spotty  ty
[19:34] <spotty> My pleasure Kilos
[19:35] <elacheche_anis> Kilos, here is my answer about the email → http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/04/20/%23ubuntu-africa.html#t15:17
[19:37]  * elacheche_anis is very happy to know you guys.. There is a good africain spirit in here :D
[19:37] <Kilos> ohi belkinsa
[19:37] <elacheche_anis> Hey belkinsa, welcome to AFRICA :D
[19:37] <belkinsa> o/ all, thank you.
[19:37] <belkinsa> brb
[19:37] <elacheche_anis> tyt
[19:38] <Kilos> whew what happened now
[19:38] <inetpro> Kilos: chanserv added logs
[19:38] <Kilos> oh
[19:39] <Kilos> inetpro  link for africa list plse
[19:39] <Kilos> belkinsa  has some ideas for us but im swamped atm
[19:40] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm...
[19:40] <Kilos> http://uds.ubuntu.com
[19:40] <inetpro> guess we need to add that on the site now as well
[19:40] <Kilos> i even forgot why i pinged you
[19:41] <Kilos> oh isnt it there yet
[19:41] <Kilos> oh my
[19:42] <inetpro> we'll flood the topic line for now and prune it later again
[19:43] <Kilos> yeah good idea
[19:43] <Kilos> i asked pieter to fix one prob on site but dont know if he got that far
[19:44] <Kilos>  Kubuntu is Ubuntu using the KDE interface which is a more tradition User Interface.
[19:44] <inetpro> actually....
[19:44] <Kilos> should be traditional
[19:44] <inetpro> I got it wrong
[19:44] <inetpro> fixed!
[19:45] <Kilos> good man
[19:46] <Kilos> so elacheche_anis  why havent they arrived here yet
[19:46] <belkinsa> Back.
[19:46] <belkinsa> So anyways...
[19:46] <Kilos> wb belkinsa
[19:47] <inetpro> Kilos: sometimes it's a good thing to have a few mistakes on the website
[19:47] <inetpro> gets people to talk to you :-)
[19:47] <Kilos> lol
[19:48] <Kilos> so far everyone likes it
[19:48] <belkinsa> I'm a Community track lead for the UOS (http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/) and I wanted to offer you all a session where you can plan what you will be doing for the next cycle.  You can have this session all in IRC if you want or you can have Hangouts On Air also.
[19:48] <Kilos> only drussel pointed out the error
[19:49] <Kilos> inetpro  in your court sir
[19:50] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:50] <Kilos> belkinsa  if its on irc ill join np
[19:51] <inetpro> sounds interesting
[19:51] <belkinsa> http://uds.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/propose-a-session/ for more info
[19:52] <Kilos> elacheche_anis  are you paying attention
[19:52] <inetpro> belkinsa: when is the deadline?
[19:52] <belkinsa> I also sent that message to your mailing-list
[19:53] <belkinsa> May 5th before the start of the UOS, but it can be flexable.  You can have a last minute one.
[19:53] <inetpro> will have to think about it and talk to others
[19:54] <belkinsa> Alright, I'm just here to throw the idea to you guys.
[19:54] <Kilos> ty for thinking of us
[19:54] <inetpro> good idea, thanks belkinsa
[19:54]  * elacheche_anis is back.. Let him read all that
[19:54] <belkinsa> Not  a problem.
[19:55] <Kilos> we could also go for the next session right?
[19:55]  * inetpro thinking we should also consider this at #ubuntu-za
[19:56] <Kilos> belkinsa  throw it to #ubuntu-za as well
[19:57] <Kilos> there is more life there andmany are involved here too
[19:57] <belkinsa> Kilos, the event starts on May 5th 14 UTC and ends at May 7th at 20 UTC.  The days are only 14 UTC to 20 UTC for three days.
[19:58] <elacheche_anis> Great idea.. For my self I'll try to attend that session if there is any.. My TZ is UTC+1 and I work during UOS.. So I can't manage a thing (sorry) just I'll try to attend..
[19:58] <belkinsa> One of the track leads was at work during the last one and I was in class during one of the days from the last one.
[19:59]  * elacheche_anis will brb.. Have a meeting on our IRC..
[19:59] <inetpro> right now I have no idea what we would talk about but maybe someone has a few ideas already
[20:00] <belkinsa> The sessions can be 5 minutes to 55 minutes long
[20:00] <superfly> heh, I'm going to be away from the 4th to the 6th
[20:11] <Kilos> belkinsa  meet superfly  the main dev man behind our site
[20:11] <Kilos> and inetpro  his main helper
[20:11] <belkinsa> Nice to meet you, superfly.  I think I have seen you in another Ubuntu channel here.
[20:11] <belkinsa> And nice to meet you, inetpro.
[20:11] <Kilos> he is on locoteams too
[20:12] <superfly> belkinsa: I'm the second contact for ubuntu-za, so I'm in #ubuntu-locoteams too
[20:12] <Kilos> the two of them took me from a mechanic to an ubuntu member
[20:13] <Kilos> they just dont have time to chat like i do
[20:13] <belkinsa> pleia2 is the one who mentored me in the beginning before I jumped on board in other teams.
[20:14] <Kilos> yes but she had an easy job
[20:14] <Kilos> these 2 battled with me
[20:14] <belkinsa> Bummer.
[20:15] <Kilos> lol
[20:17] <inetpro> belkinsa: thanks, nice to meet you as well
[20:17]  * inetpro never sleeps but is mostly active here in the evening on weekdays or otherwise on weekends when free
[20:18] <Kilos> the diffs in timezones makes things difficult
[20:18] <belkinsa> It does.
[20:19] <stickyboy> No difference in timezones when you go UPPPPP.
[20:19] <Kilos> haha you there stickyboy  ?
[20:19] <belkinsa> lol
[20:20] <stickyboy> Kilos: Yep, landed and in the hostel already.
[20:20] <stickyboy> Now drinking wine and rooting.
[20:20] <stickyboy> w00t?
[20:20] <Kilos> lol
[20:20] <Kilos> did you find tsega
[20:21] <stickyboy> Kilos: No, but I won't sleep until I do.
[20:21] <Kilos> good man
[20:21] <inetpro> belkinsa: do you perhaps have examples from previous sessions to give us a hint or two?
[20:22] <belkinsa> Sure.
[20:22] <belkinsa> One hint is that having a IRC-only session is okay.
[20:23] <Kilos> lol
[20:24] <Kilos> what is the show and tell about and who will be there
[20:24] <belkinsa> Here is the page from last one http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/
[20:24] <Kilos> everyone that is here knows what has been done
[20:25] <belkinsa> Kilos, it's when you talk about something that you are showing and I don't know who will be there yet.
[20:26] <belkinsa> Here is a good example of one from two UOSs back: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1406/meeting/22245/maximizing-your-productivity-with-unity/
[20:27] <belkinsa> I don't have a LoCo one
[20:28] <belkinsa> I guess this one could be a LoCo one: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22372/community-1411-ubuntu-us-oregon/
[20:30] <inetpro> Kilos: remember to add this to our Agenda for our meeting on Tuesday next week
[20:30] <belkinsa> When is your meeting?
[20:30] <Kilos> 28th
[20:30] <belkinsa> Time?
[20:30] <inetpro> belkinsa: Tue, 28 April 20:30, Agenda: http://bit.ly/1OxvO8K
[20:31] <inetpro> 20:30 SAST
[20:31] <Kilos> @ 20.30 utc +2
[20:31] <inetpro> belkinsa: maybe a good idea if you can attend that
[20:31] <Kilos> you are welcome to join us
[20:31] <belkinsa> I can't, I have exam at that time.
[20:32] <inetpro> hmm...
[20:32] <belkinsa> But I can follow up by e-mail.
[20:33] <belkinsa> I joined the LP team and the mailing-list.  So I will be in the loop of things
[20:34] <inetpro> nice!
[20:35] <Kilos> belkinsa  he is talking about our ubuntu-za meeting hey
[20:35] <belkinsa> I figured.
[20:36] <Kilos> you young peeps are quick on the uptake
[20:36] <Kilos> and clever on top of it
[20:43] <inetpro> belkinsa: thanks for the suggestions
[20:43]  * inetpro has to call it a day
[20:44] <inetpro> good night
[20:44] <Kilos> night inetpro  sleep tight
[20:44] <belkinsa> Not a problem.  Night.
[20:45] <Kilos> ill see you tomorrow belkinsa  its 2246 here
[20:45] <Kilos> have a good evening


[01:16] <PatrickDK> are going to use vdpau?
[01:16] <PatrickDK> gt220 is enough, gt240 is overkill :) but nice :)
[01:17] <PatrickDK> if you aren't using vdpau, it's doesnt matter at all, since the video card won't be doing anything
[01:18]  * PatrickDK doesn't like vdpau at all, I have two gt220 and 3 gt240 cards
[01:49]  * biffhero likes vdpau, it's what makes his acer revo work acceptibly
[02:00] <RickEvans> Planning on VDPAU, yes.
[02:13] <RickEvans> thanks, patrickdk
[02:14] <RickEvans> So, the HD-Home-Run gadgets are acceptable instead of an internal card?
[02:15] <patdk-lap> if your recording atsc, yes
[02:15] <RickEvans> I 'feel' a reasonable amount of support from both the vendor and devel side...
[02:15] <RickEvans> Perfect.  Yes, just ATSC.  Thanks.
[04:22] <miststlkr> when I "reset metadata" it does not remove the incorrect artwork, is there a way do do this auto-magically?
[04:41] <rhpot1991> RickEvans: HDHR is a great choice
[04:51] <patdk-lap> hmm, mythvideo in 0.24 is so unstable for me, always crashing, and wiped my metadata once :(
[04:55] <DHR> (naive question) how does a viewer corrupt data?
[04:55] <patdk-lap> dhr, to me?
[04:55] <DHR> yeah
[04:56] <patdk-lap> it's not a viewer
[04:56] <patdk-lap> it's a index, and the meta data is editable
[04:56] <DHR> OK
[04:57] <patdk-lap> how can you call mythvideo a viewer?
[04:57] <patdk-lap> doing a scan, does all hell to the database
[04:57] <Zinn> patdk-lap: Please watch your language.
[04:57] <DHR> I'm running Ubuntu 10.04 LTS and I was going to ask if 0.24 is available for 10.04.  Sounds like I might be better without the adventure.
[04:58] <patdk-lap> Zinn, language? the only word I used was hell
[04:58] <Zinn> Hi patdk-lap, something I can help you with today?  I am a bot, use !help to see what I can do.
[04:58] <Zinn> patdk-lap: Please watch your language.
[04:58] <patdk-lap> heh, bots
[04:58] <DHR> (I thought/assumed mythvideo was only for viewing.)
[04:58] <patdk-lap> I'm currently using 10.04 with myth 0.24
[04:59] <DHR> did you backport it?  Or is it available for 10.04?
[04:59] <patdk-lap> 0.23 has some issues for me too, but only like very rarely
[04:59] <patdk-lap> but now with 0.24 I'm hitting it like every other minute
[04:59] <patdk-lap> it's available
[05:00] <Gibby> patdk-lap: what is the issue?
[05:00] <patdk-lap> just going through updating metadata in mythvideo
[05:00] <patdk-lap> about every 10 files or so, I update, the frontend crashs
[05:01] <patdk-lap> and it hangs the backend up, till I restart the backend
[05:01] <Gibby> move to mythtv-users and then pastebin your frontend logs
[05:01] <DHR> that sounds severe enough that it might be easy to debug (are you a programmer?).
[05:02] <patdk-lap> heh, ya, sounds and is are two different things :)
[05:02] <patdk-lap> if your familure with the source, it wouldn't be hard
[05:02] <Gibby> lol
[05:02] <patdk-lap> but it's more than just a frontend/database thing
[05:02] <patdk-lap> the backend in involed too
[05:02] <patdk-lap> so that is many different levels of software
[05:02] <patdk-lap> then the python metadata grabbers ontop of that
[05:04] <DHR> In my early days of using myth, I found and fixed a long standing bug.  My advantage?  On my system it was repeatable.  (The developers ignored my fix but accepted my diagnosis.)
[05:04] <rhpot1991> DHR: yes it is use autobuilds
[05:04] <rhpot1991> !auto% | DHR
[05:04] <Zinn> DHR: Auto builds contain more recent bug fixes than the normal Ubuntu repository contains. See http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds for more info.
[05:05] <rhpot1991> and I'd say its stable enough
[05:05] <DHR> Ahh.  Thanks, rhpot199
[05:05] <rhpot1991> patdk-lap: no hints in the logs, are you up to date?
[05:06] <patdk-lap> I was up to date a few days ago :)
[05:06] <patdk-lap> it seems it updates every day
[05:06] <rhpot1991> patdk-lap: try updating again and see if its still causing issues
[05:06] <rhpot1991> patdk-lap: well we do build every day as long as there are upstream fixes
[05:06] <patdk-lap> I just upgraded my frontend
[05:06] <patdk-lap> I'll have to try updating the backend tomorrow
[05:07] <Gibby> rhpot1991: i thought we changed the name from auto-builds?
[05:07] <rhpot1991> Gibby: to?
[05:07] <Gibby> mythbuntu-updates
[05:07] <DHR>     * AutoBuilds rebranded to MythTV-Updates and Mythbuntu-Updates!
[05:07] <DHR> from front page
[05:08] <rhpot1991> Gibby: I must have missed that
[05:08] <patdk-lap> frontend log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/537750/
[05:09] <patdk-lap> backend: http://paste.ubuntu.com/537751/
[05:10] <Gibby> what HW is your backend?
[05:10] <patdk-lap> p4 3.2ghz 32bit os
[05:11] <Gibby> ram?
[05:11] <patdk-lap> 3gig
[05:11] <Gibby> do resources look ok on it? do you have sysstat installed?
[05:12] <patdk-lap> what resource?
[05:12] <DHR> why this?  2010-11-28 23:52:35.139 MythSocket(87d28b8:-1): readData: Error, socket went unconnected
[05:12] <Gibby> top and vmstat
[05:12] <DHR> can you do a tcpdump on it?
[05:12] <patdk-lap> they are all fine
[05:12] <patdk-lap> well, at the point, mythbackend becomes extreemly slow to respond
[05:12] <patdk-lap> restarthing the backend fixs it up
[05:13] <patdk-lap> it goes unconnected cause the frontend crashed :)
[05:13] <DHR> are clocks synchronized?
[05:13] <patdk-lap> within 2ms
[05:14] <DHR> the message I quoted from the backend precedes any message on the client log
[05:16] <patdk-lap> well the only thing before that is
[05:16] <patdk-lap> 2010-11-28 23:53:07.510 Running Grabber: /usr/share/mythtv/metadata/Television/ttvdb.py -l en -D 75886 4 29
[05:16] <patdk-lap> 2010-11-28 23:53:09.836 Returning Metadata Results: SpongeBob SquarePants 4 29
[05:17] <patdk-lap> hundreds of hundreds of them
[05:17] <patdk-lap> maybe the backend can't hand the flood of those? where ever they are coming from
[05:17] <patdk-lap> cause I was not anywhere near the spongebob directory when I was updating metadata
[05:19] <Gibby> that only returns 64 lines
[05:20] <RickEvans> rhpot1991:  Thanks.  Do I want a single-chan HDHR or the fancier dual-chan one?
[05:22] <DHR> just for fun, why don't you see what  "/usr/share/mythtv/metadata/Television/ttvdb.py -l en -D 75886 4 29" yields when you run it manually
[05:22] <rhpot1991> RickEvans: I'd go with the dual, better price per tuner
[05:22] <rhpot1991> newegg had them on sale lets see if they still are
[05:23] <rhpot1991> RickEvans: you are in luck: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815327005&cm_re=hdhomerun-_-15-327-005-_-Product
[05:23] <Zinn> [www.newegg.com] Newegg.com - SiliconDust - HDHomeRun Network-based Dual Digital - HDTV Tuner Ethernet Interface
[05:23] <rhpot1991> thats a fantastic price too
[05:23] <RickEvans> Done.  It's been in my cart for 30 minutes.
[05:25] <DHR> that's pretty amazing.  Too bad I can't use one too.  (All digital cable signals are encrypted here (Canada); I cannot use an antenna because I'm in a valley.)
[05:25] <RickEvans> As long as I'm getting biased advice, Slam-Dunk-Works Remote Control?
[05:25] <RickEvans> :)
[05:26] <rhpot1991> RickEvans: give me a second to find a link
[05:26] <RickEvans> ok.
[05:26] <rhpot1991> RickEvans: I'm told this works easily: http://www.amazon.com/Noah-Company-MediaGate-GP-IR02BK-Ultimate/dp/B000W5GK5C/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1291008382&sr=8-3
[05:45] <RickEvans> Remote purchased.  Thanks.
[06:00] <RickEvans> Newegg is sending me stuff, too.  That was fun.
[17:07] <Carl__> Any one know how mythbuntu-control-center configures x11vnc?  I'd like to change some parameters but don't know where to find the config file.
[19:54] <pmcenery> Hi. Anyone here running 0.24 autobuilds? I have a question about browse mode during livetv. When I hit up or down arrow, it pops up the OSD on the very first channel in the database when first entering livetv
[19:55] <pmcenery> It never used to do this in 0.23. Has anyone else noticed this?
[19:56] <pmcenery> So you want to see whats on the next channel up, and you have to type in the number of (a) where you were, or (b) roughtly where you want to be. Quite annoying, and I cant see where you change this behaviour
[19:56] <tgm4883> pmcenery, i'm assuming you want it to pop open on the channel it is currently tuned to?
[19:56] <pmcenery> toorima: Yep.
[19:56] <tgm4883> IIRC, there is a setting to change that in the frontend
[19:56] <pmcenery> tgm4883: sorry... yep
[19:56] <tgm4883> but i'm not at home to check it
[19:57] <pmcenery> Ok... thanks. I see there are some options around some sort of groups... will look at it again now
[20:01] <pmcenery> tgm4883: I thought browse all channels might be doing it - cos I switched it on at some point. Just restarting mythfrontend to make sure it didnt need a restart.
[20:04] <pmcenery> tgm4883: I think I found it. In frontend settings -> general there is one about browse/change channels from a specified group. I had that ticked - and it had all channels selected. I think this was the one...
[20:08] <pmcenery> tgm4883: mmm. maybe not.
[20:08] <tgm4883> pmcenery, I doubt it has to do with groups
[20:08] <pmcenery> Still defaulting to the first channel.
[20:09] <pmcenery> tgm4883: If you manage to look it up at any pont... please ping it across... I'll hang around
[20:09] <tgm4883> pmcenery, ok, you might try asking in #mythtv-users as well
[20:09] <tgm4883> there will be more 0.24 users there and this isn't specific to mythbuntu
[20:12] <pmcenery> tgm4883: Thanks
[20:13] <pmcenery> I have a question about browse mode during livetv. When I hit up or down arrow, it pops up the OSD on the very first channel in the database when first entering livetv
[20:13] <pmcenery> oops... wrong paste
[20:14] <pmcenery> not having a good day :(
[20:52] <pcuser> good evening. Does anyone has a skript for the movie database lookup in german. System is running mythbuntu 10.10. Thanks in advance.
[20:52] <pcuser> or how I can get this information?
[20:53] <pcuser> The lookup shows only english, russian and maybe france
[20:53] <pcuser> change of the language in the skript dos not fix my problem
[20:53] <pcuser> or I did it wrong
[21:08] <splashd> Has anyone used the mythbuntu repos deb to update 10.10 to mythtv .24?
[21:08] <superm1> should work fine
[21:09] <rhpot1991> splashd: yes
[21:09] <splashd> I have a backend and multiple frontends. My wife will freak out if I break our myth-box, but I'd like to install the repo and keep the features up to date if it's low risk
[21:09] <splashd> I guess I'll give it a try
[21:13] <rhpot1991> it should go pretty smoothly
[21:13] <rhpot1991> initially you were required to reconfigure your sound, but that may not be necessary any longer
[21:18] <biffhero> [1:09] <splashd> I have a backend and multiple frontends. My wife will freak out if I break our myth-box, but I'd like to install the repo and keep the features up to date if it's low risk <<< that's where I am at.  I am worried about the transition from non-storage groups to storage-groups on the /videos/ directories.  I did see, however, some db adds in the online diffs that make me be impressed by the myth team, though.  and also
[21:19] <biffhero> my mythtv-notes buffer has 3307 lines in it, detailing almost every thing I did during installations.  Wife would kill me if there wasn't any TV.
[21:30] <mrand> heh.  pick a weekend morning when you should have the maximum amount of time to mess with things.  Just make sure to capture a backup of the database if anything goes wrong.
[21:35] <rhpot1991> yep, never upgrade on a weekday
[21:45]  * tgm4883 prefers to upgrade 17 minutes before a must record show comes on
[21:53] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: http://xkcd.com/349/
[21:53] <Zinn> [xkcd.com] xkcd: Success
[21:54] <splashd> Agreed
[21:58] <mrand> rhpot1991: that reminds me of my efforts to fix my mothers laptop.    Dad installed some software and suddenly she couldn't do a lot of stuff... so it was either ESET, or the HP printer software.  For not very good reasons, after stabbing at it half-heartedly for a couple hours, I decided to do a windows (XP) repair on it.  Unfortunately, windows repair would not complete install...
[21:58] <mrand> I now know that it is well documented that many things can cause windows repair install to hang, among them drivers for devices XP doesn't understand.  And virus programs can cause problems too (ESET).  I spent a couple days on that, and finally gave up.  In the course of trying to figure out which drivers to slip-stream into an install disk, I clicked on an Intel wireless driver on *my* laptop.  Needless to say, then my wireless stopped working.
[22:00] <mrand> Thankfully "driver rollback" worked on my machine.
[22:00] <BenB> is it possible that the scripts in /usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/ are outdated, specifically tmdb.py?
[22:01] <mrand> But my mom's is still not working properly.  I did introduce the idea of installing Ubuntu on it, and my dad sent an email this morning asking about getting the wireless printer to work on Ubuntu, so there is hope.
[22:01] <BenB> a user over in #ubuntu-de just reported problems getting localized descriptions that apparently were fixed after updating. he installed mythbuntu yesterday.
[22:01] <mrand> BenB: what version of Myth and what version of Mythbuntu?
[22:01] <mrand> 0.23.1 on 10.10?
[22:01] <tgm4883> BenB, probably. Installing yesterday means nothing if he didn't do updates
[22:02] <BenB> tgm4883: well, seems like it should mean something. maybe the installer should offer the update, if it's that important.
[22:02] <tgm4883> BenB, can't
[22:02] <BenB> ubuntu installer IIRC does that
[22:03] <tgm4883> The update isn't in the official repositories
[22:03] <BenB> tgm4883: well, that's the problem then.
[22:03] <tgm4883> Well thats an issue with the repositories
[22:03] <BenB> ok. consider this a bug report that they should be fixed.
[22:03] <BenB> I'm just the messenger.
[22:04] <mrand> BenB: the biggest problem is that it is man-power shortage.   Official Ubuntu repo's aren't easy to update
[22:04] <BenB> mrand: why's that?
[22:04] <mrand> Ubuntu processes say that you have to justify every change.  And myth is undergoing fairly rapid development, so there are lots of changes.
[22:05] <tgm4883> BenB, we recommend using the mythbuntu-repos package to add additional repositories
[22:05] <tgm4883> !updates
[22:05] <BenB> mrand: well, that's broken. update to stable upstream should always be possible.
[22:05] <Zinn> The Mythbuntu team provides updates for MythTV and Mythbuntu package using the Mythbuntu Repos http://mythbuntu.org/repos
[22:05] <mrand> BenB: I don't disagree with you :-)
[22:06] <BenB> tgm4883: irrevelant. download mythbuntu CD, install, go. it should work (that's the whole idea of mythbuntu, right?) it doesn't. bug.
[22:06] <tgm4883> BenB, show me how to fix it in a way that isn't going to cause one dev to constantly attempt to get updates into the official repos  Bug: Invalid
[22:06] <BenB> tgm4883: I'
[22:07] <BenB> tgm4883: I'm not a mythbuntu dev. I'm just the messenger.
[22:07] <tgm4883> BenB, I am
[22:07] <tgm4883> messengers are great, until they expect the world
[22:07] <BenB> bug is valid. that you don't know how to fix it doesn't make it invalid.
[22:08] <tgm4883> BenB, 1) I don't see a bug for that at launchpad.net/mythbuntu
[22:08] <Zinn> [launchpad.net] Mythbuntu, Ubuntu derivative focused upon MythTV in Launchpad
[22:08] <tgm4883> 2) Something that I cannot fix is going to get marked that way
[22:08] <BenB> tgm4883: if you don't want to fix it, just ignore me, ok?
[22:08] <tgm4883> BenB, I do want to fix it
[22:09] <tgm4883> You just get Ubuntu to allow a way to get this fixes in easier and I'll do what it takes
[22:09] <BenB> pcuser: that's to you. can you answer, please? <mrand> BenB: what version of Myth and what version of Mythbuntu? <mrand> 0.23.1 on 10.10?
[22:09] <BenB> tgm4883: mythbuntu<->ubuntu project relationship is something for the mythbuntu project to fix, not me.
[22:09] <tgm4883> Where did he upgrade tmdb.py from to fix it?
[22:10] <tgm4883> BenB, are you part of the community?
[22:10] <tgm4883> or do you work for canonical?
[22:10] <BenB> tgm4883: I am a resident on #mythtv-de
[22:10] <tgm4883> which I assume makes you part of the community then
[22:11] <BenB> tgm4883: what's your point? I just reported a bug.
[22:12] <BenB> fix it, or don't and let users suffer. what do you want from me?
[22:12] <BenB> I don't care.
[22:12] <tgm4883> BenB, My point is that you have as much power as I do to get Canonical to fix stuff like that
[22:13] <BenB> no, I don't. until 5 minutes ago I didn't even know that you have problems with canonical, and I don't know the exact nature of these problems, nor do I know anybody who could fix it nor how to approach him that it gets fixed.
[22:13] <BenB> tgm4883: instead of fighting me, why don't you use the same time to contact that person?
[22:13] <tgm4883> BTW, you didn't report a bug. Bugs are reported here https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu
[22:13] <Zinn> [bugs.launchpad.net] Bugs in Mythbuntu, Ubuntu derivative focused upon MythTV
[22:14] <tgm4883> I'm not fighting you
[22:14]  * tgm4883 rolls eyes
[22:14] <BenB> you do
[22:14] <rhpot1991> BenB: its not a single person
[22:14] <rhpot1991> that is the way updates happen currently, there are too many mythtv changes for us to be able to push them into the ubuntu repositories in between releases
[22:15] <rhpot1991> hence why we offer mythbuntu-updates
[22:15] <tgm4883> BenB, anyway to get back to the original issue
 a user over in #ubuntu-de just reported problems getting localized descriptions that apparently were fixed after updating. he installed mythbuntu yesterday.
[22:15] <tgm4883> where did he update from?
[22:15] <BenB> tgm4883: I wouldn't know. pcuser is here.
 [try to update] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-mythtv/2010-November/000681.html
[22:16] <Zinn> [lists.ubuntu.com] [ubuntu-mythtv] MythVideo metadata grabber scripts broken in frontend-only systems
[22:16] <BenB>  <pcuser> [i'm currently looking at the script at http://www.cuymedia.net/mythtv-trunk/tmdb_8py-source.html]
[22:16] <Zinn> [www.cuymedia.net] MythTV: tmdb.py Source File
[22:17] <PatrickDK> mine isn't broken :)
 dekarl [thanks, that [probably the first] was the right one]
[22:17] <tgm4883> BenB, sweet, so they used -repos to get updated
[22:17] <tgm4883> which is what is recommended
[22:18] <BenB> tgm4883: right... problem is that the default install was broken and we had to diagnose the problem.
[22:18] <BenB> default install should work, out of the box, without manual fixes. everything else is a bug.
[22:18] <PatrickDK> benb, no software works like that
[22:18] <tgm4883> BenB, great
[22:18] <PatrickDK> all software has updates
[22:19] <BenB> PatrickDK: oh yes. ubuntu works outof the box for me.
[22:19] <PatrickDK> even cars do
[22:19] <tgm4883> BenB, install software, find bug, update using -repos, bug fixed
[22:19] <PatrickDK> benb, ubunut out of the box, corrupts my harddrive and reformats itself on install :)
[22:19] <BenB> tgm4883: ubuntu updates after install. if that had worked, with the right repos, the problem would not have existed.
[22:20] <BenB> anyways, problem is clear. I'm out here.
[22:20] <tgm4883> bye
[22:20] <tgm4883> don't forget to file a bug
[22:20] <BenB> tgm4883: just so that you mark it INVALID? why would I waste my time?
[22:21] <rhpot1991> other can see the issue and know its fixed in the updates
[22:21] <tgm4883> apparently you think you are wasting your time now
[22:21] <BenB> tgm4883: yes, because of your reaction. you're arguing with me instead of trying to find a solution. seen that many times before. useless to continue.
[22:22] <tgm4883> BenB, I want to find a solution
[22:22] <BenB> strike that, don't want to provoke you
[22:22] <tgm4883> I have multiple times already asked you about a solution
[22:22] <tgm4883> your response is it's broke, and that it needs fixed
[22:22] <tgm4883> ok, not much I can do with that
[22:22] <BenB> that's the nature of a bug report, yes :)
[22:23] <tgm4883> BenB, and yet, there is no bug report
[22:23] <BenB> bug reports come optionally with fixes, but not mandatorily :)
[22:23] <tgm4883> yes
[22:23] <BenB> tgm4883: so, are you going to try to fix it?
[22:23] <tgm4883> well I won't close it
[22:23] <BenB> nevermind the fact that launchpad doesn't work for me due to https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-foundations/+bug/560246
[22:23] <Zinn> [bugs.launchpad.net] Bug #560246 in Launchpad Foundations: âRequiring REFERER makes user privacy more difficult and CSRF could be prevented more robustlyâ
[22:24] <BenB> phone call
[22:24] <BenB> see you
[22:24] <tgm4883> and depending on how 11.04 plays out specifically with some stuff that mark said during UDS, I might be able to do something
[22:24] <tgm4883> but I need a bug report to do that
[22:24] <BenB> (and you can't file that, with this info)
[22:24] <tgm4883> I'm at work
[22:25] <tgm4883> as are most of the mythbuntu developers
[22:25] <tgm4883> maybe i'll remember when I get home
[23:51] <Chaorain> Hey all, I just got my tunner working but I'm not getting all the channels, 12 and up are a no show, I get them just fine under windows though, any sugestions?
[23:54] <rhpot1991> Chaorain: check your broadcast type in mythtv-setup
[23:54] <rhpot1991> somewhere in general
[23:55] <rhpot1991> make sure its cable and not broadcast
[23:56] <Chaorain> rhpot1991: uh, frontend or back?


[10:21] <cpaelzer> versioning question - current version in Debian is <IP_ADDRESS>-1~unstable  and I need a no change rebuild - dch -R will make <IP_ADDRESS>-1~unstablebuild1 out of that - is that a pattern that will work in all tools?
[10:21] <cpaelzer> the fused "unstablebuild1" suffix makes me suspicious that might e.g. no more be auto-synced
[10:22] <cpaelzer> does anyone know for sure what the proper no change rebuild version for this would be?
[10:22] <cjwatson> Only an "ubuntu" substring inhibits auto-sync
[10:22] <cpaelzer> thanks cjwatson I was afraid it might have more complex rules
[10:23] <cjwatson> <IP_ADDRESS>-1~unstablebuild1 seems fine.  I might possibly make it be <IP_ADDRESS>-1~unstable+build1 for clarity for humans, but it's also OK to stick with the autogenerated version IMO
[10:25] <cjwatson> There are a few other non-version-related things that can cause auto-sync to refuse to touch a package, but the "ubuntu" substring has always been the only version-related rule
[11:32] <ahasenack> hi, any idea what this autopkgtest failure means? https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/mZyyPzZxSF/ "badpkg: rules extract failed with exit code 1"
[11:32] <ahasenack> on apt-source
[13:39] <ejat> hi .. how to troubleshoot if i cant login ubuntu using xorg but if i using wayland can login ?
[13:39] <ejat> its happened when im using kernel 4.19.x
[13:40] <ejat> but its working fine if im using kernel 4.18.x
[13:40] <ejat> can someone advise ? thanks
[13:50] <ejat> sorry ... my bad .. suddenly its working :(
[15:56] <teward> anyone know if there's a way I can tell the system what key to use to sign a package when I do debuild -S ?
[15:57] <teward> asking because I recently set my "old" keys to expire because I am doing key rotations every so often, and am providing a new key this time.
[15:57] <xnox> teward, ~/.devscripts ?
[15:57] <teward> xnox: right, but i meant the specific argument to provide in it
[15:58] <teward> i know ~/.devscripts but I made a fubar and lost my .devscripts oops.
[15:58] <teward> so I need to rebuild that.  Don't remember the key/value pair to enter in there
[15:58] <xnox> teward, man debsign -> configuration variable -> DEBSIGN_MAINT DEBSIGN_KEYID etc
[15:58] <teward> ah, thanks xnox :)
[16:01] <teward> xnox: always forget where in the manpages this stuff sits.  heh.  :P
[16:04] <cjwatson> This also suggests that you don't have backups, and you should fix that.
[16:12] <teward> cjwatson: well, actually the problem was drive death
[16:12] <teward> and then LVM2 corruption
[16:13] <teward> so that's the core problem there
[16:13] <teward> everything's backed up now
[16:13] <teward> and copied in at least 5 places :P
[22:44] <bdmurray> coreycb: Does bug 1811098 need to be private? that's frowned upon for SRU bugs
[22:46] <coreycb> bdmurray: i dont think it does based on the feedback in the bug but being a security issue inwas hesitant to switch back to public
[22:46] <coreycb> I was
[22:47] <bdmurray> I think its fine but maybe we should ask a security guru like sarnold
[22:54] <sarnold> bdmurray,coreycb, yes, I believe this bug ought to be public -- the fix is public, and it's not something that is itself exploitable
[22:55] <bdmurray> sarnold: evenly for an "immensely powerful advesary"?
[22:56] <bdmurray> The other day I saw you use those words and I busted up
[22:56] <sarnold> I'm always happy to entertain :)
[22:56]  * jbicha busts up thinking of bdmurray busting up
[22:57] <bdmurray> coreycb: So do you want to make it public?
[23:12] <coreycb> bdmurray: sure and thanks
[23:12] <coreycb> sarnold: thanks for the input
[23:12] <sarnold> you're welcome :)


[11:55] <dandrader> mzanetti, wow, surface-wm has no conflicts with the new trunk. So no need to rebase or anything
[11:55] <mzanetti> dandrader, yep, all fine. silo is built. however, there's still a test issue
[11:56]  * mzanetti tries to find the browser tab with the logs
[11:56] <mzanetti> dandrader, https://unity8-jenkins.ubuntu.com/job/test-ppa-autopkgtest/label=amd64,package=unity8,release=vivid+overlay,testname=qmluitests.sh/130/console
[11:56] <mzanetti> dandrader, saviq said he could reproduce it by launching the qmltests with -j2
[11:57] <mzanetti> dandrader, doesn't happen all the time, but like half of the times at least
[11:58] <dandrader> mzanetti,  "QInotifyFileSystemWatcherEngine::addPaths: inotify_add_watch failed: No such file or directory" <- is that normal in CI logs?
[11:58] <mzanetti> need to check
[11:59] <dandrader> mzanetti, can we give up running qml tests in parallel in CI? I don't know what to look for
[12:00] <mzanetti> not really, no
[12:01] <dandrader> mzanetti, also run tstShell with -j2 as Saviq instructed last Thursday and it didn't crash in my machine.
[12:01] <dandrader> "works for me" (tm) :)
[12:01] <mzanetti> if you're just running testShell, you won't make it happen
[12:01] <mzanetti> because you're only running one test, so the -j2 has no effect
[12:03] <dandrader> mzanetti, we run running two instances of tst_Shell in parallel
[12:03] <dandrader> mzanetti, using that parallel command line tool
[12:03] <dandrader> mzanetti, so Saviq came up with a new method?
[12:04] <mzanetti> not sure what you're talking about tbh :D
[12:04] <mzanetti> ci runs this: make -j4 -k xvfballtests
[12:08] <dandrader> mzanetti, ok run "make xvfballtests -j2" and got a failure somewhere. can work with that.
[12:08] <mzanetti> ack
[12:08] <dandrader> mzanetti, -k not good for us when hunting failures
[12:08] <mzanetti> yeah
[12:09] <mzanetti> just didn't want to obscure the actual thing that jenkins does
[12:09] <mzanetti> who knows, maybe its related
[12:09] <dandrader> right :)
[12:27] <dandrader> mzanetti, ah, it's a regular failure
[12:27] <dandrader> mzanetti, make xvfbtestPreviewExpandable FUNCTION="PreviewExpandableTest::test_all_widgets_height"
[12:27] <dandrader> mzanetti, that fails in trunk in my machine. can you confirm? ^^^^
[12:32] <dandrader> mzanetti,  oh, looks like I'm missing something: qml/Dash/Previews/PreviewSharing.qml:19:1: module "Ubuntu.Content" is not installed
[12:34] <dandrader> tsdgeos, how do I add that xenial overlay repository?
[12:34] <tsdgeos> dandrader: weren't you on holiday?
[12:34] <tsdgeos> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ci-train-ppa-service/stable-phone-overlay/ubuntu xenial main
[12:34] <tsdgeos> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/ci-train-ppa-service/stable-phone-overlay/ubuntu xenial main
[12:35] <tsdgeos> dandrader: ↑
[12:35] <dandrader> tsdgeos, I were last Friday
[12:35] <tsdgeos> ah, thought it was more days
[12:35] <tsdgeos> misread
[12:38] <dandrader> tsdgeos, know how do I get a public key or something for that repo? apt is complaining
[12:38] <tsdgeos> yes
[12:39] <tsdgeos>  sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv
[12:39] <tsdgeos> and the key at the end
[12:39] <tsdgeos> sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv  $KEY
[12:41] <dandrader> tsdgeos, thanks
[13:36] <dandrader> tsdgeos, does "make testGreeterDBus" fail for you in trunk?
[13:36] <tsdgeos> dandrader: let me see
[13:39] <tsdgeos> dandrader: building
[13:44] <sil2100> Trevinho: hey!
[13:45] <sil2100> Trevinho: if you don't mind then I'll do a direct-to-trunk commit for nux since Foundations had to quickly release a packaging change to the archives
[13:57] <tsdgeos> task-0: FAIL!  : GreeterDBusTest::testEntryIsLockedGet() 'dbusList->property("EntryIsLocked").toBool()' returned FALSE. ()
[13:57] <tsdgeos> task-0:    Loc: [/home/tsdgeos_work/phablet/unity8/unity8/tests/plugins/IntegratedLightDM/dbus.cpp(158)]
[13:57] <tsdgeos> dandrader: ↑ ¿
[13:57] <dandrader> tsdgeos, great, the error I get
[13:58] <dandrader> tsdgeos, *same error
[13:59] <dandrader> tsdgeos, passes in CI though. :/
[13:59] <tsdgeos> interesting
[14:00] <tsdgeos> dandrader: i guess ping mterry when he wakes up?
[14:01] <dandrader> tsdgeos, yeah
[14:37] <Trevinho> sil2100: ok that's fine
[18:20] <up123> Hello, are there plans for adapting icons in Unity 8?
[18:20] <up123> like calendar showing the actual date instead of only a 28 all the time?


[10:18] <slyon> skeer: "Lexicographically later files amend/override previous ones", see https://netplan.io/reference#general-structure
[18:18] <skeer> Thanks Sylon!


[07:06] <pitti> Good morning
[07:57] <pitti> jibel: poor wazn, load of 9 and 6 QEMUs running in parallel..
[07:57] <pitti> (DKMS at the moment, apparently)
[07:59] <pitti> jibel: someone disabled the http_proxy setting from wazn's /etc/environment, and it seems when calling prepare-testbed from jenkins it doesn't get read (through PAM) anyway, so on alderamin/aldebaran/wazn I now added them to ~/.adtrc
[07:59] <pitti> jibel: could you please do the same on albali? I. e. append
[07:59] <pitti> http_proxy="http://squid.internal:3128"
[07:59] <pitti> https_proxy="http://squid.internal:3128"
[08:00] <jibel> Bonjour pitti
[08:01] <jibel> pitti, done
[08:17] <pitti> jibel: merci
[08:17] <pitti> jibel: bonjour!
[08:22] <jibel> pitti, do you think autopkgtest of apt timed out because a proxy is set?
[08:23] <jibel> we should also add a no_proxy=localhost
[08:26] <jibel> pitti, also for libreoffice, it fails because a chown of the test tree takes more than 100s and times out
[08:27] <jibel> do we really need all these timeouts in autopkgtest, or only 1 for the build and 1 for the test?
[08:43] <pitti> jibel: re
[08:43] <pitti> jibel: haven't looked at apt yet, next on my list
[08:43] <pitti> jibel: ah, I thought localhost was kind of implied, but sure, let's add that too
[08:44] <pitti> jibel: I didn't introduce them, but I think having *some* time out is good as sometimes copying stuff around involves tar | scp | tar etc. which can easily hang indefinitely
[08:55] <jibel> pitti, I know you didn't, but there are timeouts for nearly every action, which is probably too much e.g for dir copies or chown, I hardly see how these commands can block
[08:57] <jibel> I'll increase the short timeout to see if it makes libreoffice test go further
[08:57] <pitti> *nod*
[09:09] <pitti> jibel: I added no_proxy=localhost to .adtrc on the usual three and pushed a commit to also transition $no_proxy to the VMs
[09:10] <jibel> pitti, added to .adtrc and pulled on albali
[09:10] <pitti> jibel: merci
[09:12] <pitti> jibel: and FTR, yay for fixing the precise-lts-backports upgrades
[09:12]  * pitti looks at the remaining failures
[09:28] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:35] <pitti> jibel:         output_file = '/tmp/obsolete_conffiles.log'
[09:35] <pitti> jibel: how does that become a jenkins artifact?
[09:35] <pitti> jibel: does it just attach /tmp/*.log or do I need to register new files somewhere?
[09:36] <jibel> I think it's hardcoded somewhere :/
[09:36] <pitti> jibel: I want to make the conffile test more verbose, and add old/new files (perhaps a diff) as a new /tmp/conffile_prompts.log
[09:36] <jibel> in UpgradeTestBackendSSH.py
[09:36] <pitti> ./AutoUpgradeTester/UpgradeTestBackendSSH.py:        self._copyFromImage("/tmp/obsolete_conffiles.log", self.resultdir)
[09:36] <pitti> I only see that
[09:37] <pitti> does that apply to LXC as well?
[09:37] <jibel> pitti, it does
[09:37] <pitti> because these tests do get obsolete_conffiles.log
[09:37] <pitti> jibel: ah, ok; thanks!
[09:37] <pitti> # find /etc -name '*.dpkg-dist'
[09:37] <pitti> /etc/default/bind9.dpkg-dist
[09:37] <pitti> I found it, but it's still nicer to see it right away in jenkins
[09:37] <pitti> (reproduced locally in a chroot, I meant)
[09:38] <pitti> but there are half a dozen files in /etc named "bind9", it's too obtuse ATM
[09:39] <jibel> pitti, I should copy to a /tmp/result in the guest and copy that instead of individual files and preserve the directory tree structure, at least in the name
[09:42] <pitti> jibel: right, that should be easy; queueing that
[09:48]  * pitti pushes another commit that fixes upgrade-ubuntu-quantal-saucy-desktop-{i386,amd64}
[10:01] <pitti> jibel: do you know why test_dpkgdist does all that dance with copying stuff to /tmp ?
[10:02] <pitti> jibel: it would seem much more useful to me to compare the whitelist against the original paths, and print out the list comparison with that
[10:02] <pitti> jibel: in other words, do you mind if I completely rewrite that? (I have a work item "fix conffile upgrade test" anyway)
[10:31] <pitti> jibel: I pushed r94 for that, it just puts the diffs into the main log now
[10:31]  * pitti looks into the actual bind issue now
[10:45] <jibel> pitti, sorry was otp, it is just to collect them after the test
[10:45] <jibel> pitti, but it cannot work because conffiles = glob.glob('/tmp/*.dpkg-dist') is executed on the host :/
[10:47] <pitti> jibel: yeah, I think with r94 it's more useful
[10:48] <pitti> http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/Upgrade/job/upgrade-ubuntu-precise-trusty-server-tasks-amd64/30/console
[10:48] <pitti> jibel: of course now the tests fail due to the libgcc mess, but it also has the conffile prompt
[10:48] <pitti> jibel: no diff in this case as .dpkg-dist and /etc/default/bind9 are indeed identical, but I tested it on my workstation where I do have some changed conffiles
[10:49] <pitti> http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/Upgrade/job/upgrade-ubuntu-precise-trusty-server-tasks-amd64/30/artifact/results/bootstrap.log is better
[10:55] <rbasak> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/trusty-adt-php5/106/ looks like an infrastructure related issue.
[10:55] <rbasak> Is there anything I should be doing about this, or anybody I should be pinging? Or is this something that someone already keeps an eye out for?
[10:55] <pitti> rbasak: already handled
[10:55] <rbasak> Ah great. Thanks!
[10:55] <pitti> rbasak: it's because of the botched libgcc1 which breaks *everything* in trusty now
[10:56] <rbasak> Ah
[10:56] <pitti> we'll wait for the fixed gccgo to go in, then retry everything
[10:56] <pitti> see #u-devel backscroll
[10:56]  * rbasak looks
[10:56] <pitti> rbasak: it's not just php, there are a bazillion failures
[10:56] <pitti> jibel is currently looking why it wasn't held back in -proposed
[11:01] <rbasak> Thanks. That's an interesting/enlightening read.
[11:27] <pitti> jibel: darn, and I was soo close on http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/Upgrade/
[11:27] <pitti> the latter two failures should work as well now, after libgcc
[11:29] <jibel> pitti, nice. and from the logs I cannot find why it libgcc has been promoted :/ now reading the code of britney
[11:29] <jibel> I: [Fri Feb 14 09:42:55 2014] - Requested autopkgtest for glib2.0_2.39.4-0ubuntu1 (NEW gccgo-4.9 1:4.9-20140213-0ubuntu1)
[11:29] <jibel> I: [Fri Feb 14 09:44:03 2014] - Collected autopkgtest status for glib2.0_2.39.4-0ubuntu1: RUNNING
[11:29] <jibel> Copying: gccgo-4.9/4.9-20140213-0ubuntu1
[11:30] <jibel> for example, glib triggered by gccgo, correctly identified as running but gccgo has been copied anyway
[12:03] <pitti> jibel: I moved precise-i386.qcow2 away (to *.old) on alderamin, as they are ancient (may last year), and dist-upgrading them takes very long
[12:03] <pitti> jibel: I was hoping the job would rebuild them, but http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/Upgrade/job/upgrade-ubuntu-precise-trusty-desktop-i386_vm/29/console is just sitting there without any noticeable progress (or started processes)
[12:04] <pitti> jibel: does precise-{i386,amd64}.qcow2 need to be maintained/updated  manually then? (I can do that)
[12:10] <pitti> jibel: ah, I have a ubuntu-kvm-i386-precise/tmpDdXOIt.qcow2, apparently it's rebuilding now (just curious that I don't have a kvm/qemu process), so nevermind
[12:11] <jibel> pitti, no maintenance required, it is all created by vm-builder
[12:13] <jibel> pitti, although the resulting VM may require an update from time to time otherwise the dist-upgrade at the beginning of the test can take a while
[12:13] <jibel> I have a script somewhere to automate this
[12:13] <pitti> jibel: right, that's why I blew it away and let it rebuild
[12:13] <pitti> (well, I kept the previous .qcow until they get rebuilt)
[12:14] <pitti> ah, and there it is, a fresh precise-i386.qcow2 \o/
[12:14] <pitti> not 12.04.2 but .4 now
[12:25] <brain_> hi all
[15:07] <disc0tech> test
[16:05]  * balloons waves happy friday to all
[16:27] <roadmr> balloons: haha don't forget the <3
[16:29] <balloons> roadmr, :-) May cupid's arrow find it's way to all the loves in your life
[16:29] <roadmr> thanks <3
[17:27] <DanChapman> evening folks
[17:27] <elfy> g'evening :)
[19:57] <Letozaf_> balloons, hi
[20:45] <balloons> Letozaf_, hello
[20:47] <Letozaf_> balloons, hi I have a quite strange problem with reminders-app I uninstalled it and now I am unable to install it again I get: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6933106/ the fact is that I cannot find this qtdeclarative5-evernote0.1 anywhere, have you idea how to fix it ?
[20:47] <balloons> Letozaf_, apt-get update?
[20:48] <Letozaf_> balloons, I tried and it does not work, I have been trying a lot of stuff but nothing worked
[20:49] <Letozaf_> balloons, I was thinking to try on a new Trusty install on my notebook to see if it gets installed, because on my PC there is not way to get it installed
[20:49] <balloons> Letozaf_, likely the dependencies are not correct
[20:49] <balloons> so it's a packaging issue
[20:49] <balloons> it's pulling from the ppa
[20:50] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes I know but I cannot find the way to fix this :(
[20:50] <balloons> so, you can force install it anyway, odds are it will work. We have to look at what the package is called now
[20:53] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok I will try to force install
[21:22] <balloons> Letozaf_, any luck?
[21:23] <Letozaf_> balloons, no :(
[21:23] <balloons> Letozaf_, ok, let's look @ the packaging
[21:41] <balloons> Letozaf_, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/+archive/daily?field.series_filter=trusty. you can see the version in there for the plugin
[21:41]  * Letozaf_ is looking at the link
[21:45] <Letozaf_> balloons, I do not see this qtdeclarative5-evernote0
[21:45] <Letozaf_> balloons, and I have already the evernote plugin installed
[21:45] <Letozaf_> account-plugin-evernote
[21:46] <balloons> ok, I removed the package and got the same issue
[21:46] <Letozaf_> balloons, argh!
[21:46] <balloons> Letozaf_, it's a good thing
[21:47] <balloons> it confirms it's a packaging issue
[21:47] <Letozaf_> balloons, good ?
[21:47] <balloons> bug filing time
[21:47] <Letozaf_> balloons, oh! now I understand what you ment with good
[21:47] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok so I will report a bug on this issue, ok?
[21:52] <Letozaf_> balloons, bug 1280459
[21:52] <balloons> Letozaf_, yes :-)
[22:17] <bfiller> balloons: we're getting a failure on an integration test on the latest image. any ideas on this? was previously working fine http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6933841/
[22:17] <bfiller> autopilot test that is
[22:21] <balloons> bfiller, does the test use the uitk emulator?
[22:22] <bfiller> balloons: let me check, here is the full log. getting tons of introspection errors http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6933871/
[22:26] <balloons> bfiller, the toolkit, the toolkit emulator, and autopilot have all changed within the past 24 hours
[22:26] <bfiller> balloons: yup, this broke something
[22:26] <balloons> I take it the codebase did not right?
[22:27] <bfiller> balloons: it's failing on this line: get_proxy_object_for_existing_process(pid) which looks like it's imported from from autopilot.introspection import get_proxy_object_for_existing_process
[22:28] <bfiller> balloons: the code did change in camera-app, but nothing at all that would affect this test
[22:28] <bfiller> balloons: but I'm getting blamed :)
[22:29] <balloons> bfiller, well first things first. Let's pull the old code and run with the new stuff and see what happens
[22:29] <bfiller> balloons: apparently that works, rsalveti tried it. where can I get the previous camera-app package to try?
[22:31] <rsalveti> bfiller: http://ports.ubuntu.com/pool/universe/c/camera-app/
[22:31] <balloons> rsalveti, bfiller I was going to checkout the old code and run it.
[22:31] <rsalveti> previous package is from 06-Nov
[22:31] <balloons> going to grab the code now, reproduce locally and go
[22:31] <balloons> rsalveti, oO why so old?
[22:32] <balloons> do we know what revno the package was built from?
[22:32] <rsalveti> bfiller might know :-)
[22:32] <rsalveti> hm, let me check the changelog
[22:32] <bfiller> rsalveti: let me check trunk
[22:32] <bfiller> trunk here btw https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/camera-app/trunk
[22:33] <rsalveti> yeah, a lot was done that is test related since then
[22:33] <rsalveti> mostly porting to python3
[22:33] <rsalveti> balloons: rev 225
[22:33] <bfiller> ahah
[22:33] <bfiller> I see the problem
[22:33] <balloons> ahh I see omer did a py3 port in between
[22:34] <bfiller> rev 229
[22:34] <bfiller> omer added the test that is failing now
[22:34] <bfiller> so it was never being run previous to this release
[22:34] <bfiller> but I did build from trunk and test it a few days ago and it was working
[22:35] <balloons> unittest.loader.ModuleImportFailure.camera_app.tests.test_gallery_integration
[22:35] <balloons> I pulled trunk and hmm.. ohh, unity 8 :-)
[22:36] <rsalveti> bfiller: just fix it lol
[22:37] <rsalveti> let's land a new version
[22:37] <rsalveti> haha
[22:37] <bfiller> rsalveti: skip()!!!!
[22:37] <bfiller> what
[22:37] <rsalveti> haha
[22:41] <bfiller> balloons: when do you see that ModuleImportFailure error?
[22:41] <balloons> bfiller, trying to list the tests..
[22:43] <bfiller> balloons: shows up fine for me, you need unity8-autopilot installed as well
[22:43] <balloons> yes exactly
[22:43] <balloons> I did install build deps
[22:43] <balloons> *didn't
[22:44] <balloons> is webbrowser tests still ok?
[22:44] <balloons> they use the same calls
[22:49] <balloons> phablet only.. argh
[22:50] <bfiller> balloons: browser seems ok
[23:17] <bfiller> balloons: I need to EOD, I filed this bug if you figure anything out: https://bugs.launchpad.net/camera-app/+bug/1280485
[23:17] <balloons> bfiller, :-) I'm in the same boat
[23:17] <bfiller> balloons: in the mean time, I'm going to skip the test to unblock the image promotion
[23:18] <balloons> bfiller, since you filed a bug, no worries
[23:18] <bfiller> balloons: thanks, have a good weekend
[23:18] <balloons> rsalveti is correct.. it looks like this never ran
[23:18] <balloons> and it's not systematic, so it's just camera
[23:18] <balloons> enjoy bfiller
[23:23] <phillw> balloons: ping


[00:54] <Sweetsha1k> bdrung: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/+junk/libcmis-werror/revision/6
[01:10] <Sweetsha1k> oh, thanks http://lwn.net/ for putting me on the frontpage!
[01:13] <sarnold> Sweetsha1k: five minutes down to 37 seconds? that's awesome :D
[01:13] <sarnold> (probably the least of the accomplishments, but easy for me to grasp. :)
[01:19] <Sweetsha1k> well and a/ in the old times we didnt even have most of the tests run on every build that now take some 8 seconds of that b/ someone told me he has it down to 24 seconds on a slower machine because he used the performance-patched version of GNU make, instead of the distro one: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/contrib/dev-tools/tree/make-3.82-gbuild
[01:20] <Sweetsha1k> but yes, the noop speedup is nice, but the real win is in having one dependency tree covering the full project ...
[01:23] <sarnold> "Do you have a 1000 core distcc cluster you want to testdrive? LibreOffice might be the project you want to try." :D
[01:28]  * SaMOOrai is a cow with a sword.. MooYAH!
[01:39] <doomlord> Does the apple-pattent on using a sin curve to interpolate UI elements prevent this being used for compiz 'scale' plugin
[04:20] <pitti> good morning
[04:21] <pitti> xnox: so it seems it was a deliberate change in Pango after all?
[06:23] <BigWhale> Good Morning.
[06:59] <didrocks> ooopsss, forgot to say "good morning" earlier :)
[07:06] <BigWhale> morning didrocks :)
[07:06] <didrocks> hey BigWhale!
[07:13] <pitti> dobey: hm, clicking on a folder and saying "sync with ubuntuone" stopped working in raring, and it also stopped syncing my ~/Music folder
[07:14] <pitti> dobey: is that a bug or a deliberate change? (syncing of ~/Ubuntu One still seems to work and that has the emblem, but I don't use that folder)
[07:27] <czajkowski> morning
[07:31] <didrocks> hey czajkowski!
[07:32] <czajkowski> on updates from yesterday noticing my scroll bars are very sensative to being touched I kep hitting my chrome one and end up on my terminal, any ideas?
[08:45] <pitti> ricotz: do you happen to have a logind-enabled gdm in some PPA already?
[08:45] <pitti> ricotz: I'm building one locally right now to play around with logind
[08:48] <seb128> hey desktopers
[08:49] <seb128> pitti, hey, wie gehts?
[08:49] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[08:49] <pitti> seb128: gut, danke! ich habe meinen halben Morgen mit email verbracht :)
[08:49] <ricotz> pitti, hey, no, havent played with it yet
[08:49] <ricotz> seb128, he
[08:49] <ricotz> y
[08:50] <jibel> good morning
[08:50] <seb128> pitti, ubuntu-devel@ rolling release fun? ;-)
[08:50] <seb128> hey ricotz
[08:50] <pitti> yeah
[08:50] <pitti> bonjour jibel
[08:50] <seb128> jibel, salut, ca va ?
[08:51] <pitti> our systemd is too old even for gdm 3.6
[08:51]  * pitti uses 195 packages from http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/packages/systemd/
[08:52] <jibel> Bonjour seb128 pitti , ça va bien merci et vous?
[08:52] <seb128> ca va bien, c'est vendredi ;-)
[08:52] <ricotz> pitti, yeah, 44 is pretty old ;)
[08:52] <pitti> jibel: un peu fatigue, mais bien :)
[09:01] <didrocks> salut jibel!
[09:03] <seb128> jibel, can you give another try to the new gtk and unity tests now that autopilot got fixed for the gcalctool issue?
[09:07] <jibel> seb128, running
[09:07] <seb128> jibel, 'ci
[09:07] <jibel> didrocks, Bonjour!
[09:08] <Laney> hey
[09:10] <seb128> Laney, hey, happy friday! how are you?
[09:10] <seb128> Laney, did you get over your cold?
[09:12] <Laney> seb128: yeah, wasn't too bad in the end - only lasted a couple of days
[09:12] <Laney> got a beer festival tonight so happy ;-)
[09:13] <Laney> https://twitter.com/TheJohnsonArms/status/302094965058703360/photo/1
[09:13] <seb128> ahah
[09:15] <mlankhorst> those beer names are silly
[09:16] <Laney> yeah that's the real ale tradition
[09:36] <xnox> pitti: yes, pango noticed green discrepancy after all this time.
[10:15] <seb128> bdrung, hey
[10:15] <seb128> bdrung, so, about libreoffice/Sweetsha1k/ppu/dmb ... what do you recommend as a next step? is he ready to re-apply?
[10:20] <GunnarHj> seb128: Hi Seb, and thanks for uploading the accountsservice patch at bug 1130690 yesterday. Could you please push the button on the l-s MP too? Martin approved it but didn't upload since it depends on the new accountsservice version...
[10:20] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1130690 in language-selector (Ubuntu) "Default papersize should be in sync with regional formats" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1130690
[10:21] <seb128> GunnarHj, hey, can do
[10:21] <GunnarHj> seb128: Great!
[10:32] <jibel> seb128, https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/desktop-ppa-autopilot-release-testing/4/
[10:32] <jibel> 31 failures, 1 didn't compare with unity daily but it is not bad
[10:32] <jibel> s/1 /I /
[10:32] <seb128> jibel, thanks
[10:33] <jibel> seb128, if you need to run the tests again, mterry has access to the platform and can press the button, the job is called desktop-ppa-autopilot-release-testing
[10:33] <seb128> jibel, ok, noted, thank you
[10:34] <seb128> looking to the ati ones, they don't seem like gtk issues
[10:34] <seb128> sil2100, ^ those tests, how do they compare to current trunk?
[10:35] <seb128> sil2100, do you see anything that seems like it could be a side effect of the new gtk?
[10:35] <didrocks> current trunk is way lower
[10:36] <didrocks> 10 on nvidia, 9 on ati and 14 on intel
[10:37] <seb128> didrocks, that's 33 where that run has 31?
[10:37] <seb128> 8 12 11
[10:37] <didrocks> ah you meant in total :)
[10:37] <didrocks> phew
[10:37] <didrocks> yeah, compared the same ;)
[10:37] <seb128> cool
[10:37]  * didrocks is used to talk about per arch
[10:38] <seb128> ah, sorry for the confusion ;-)
[10:38] <didrocks> arch/config
[10:38] <didrocks> seb128: take care of my heart, it's fragile! :)
[10:47] <jibel> chrisccoulson, hey
[10:47] <jibel> chrisccoulson, I can not find an easy way to copy the test artifacts out of the autopkgtest sandbox.
[10:47] <jibel> It seemed trivial but I'm stuck and will have to dig in autopkgtest code :/
[10:48] <jibel> chrisccoulson, but we can cheat a bit and use the fact that the host and the testbed run on the same filesystem.
[10:48] <jibel> chrisccoulson, would something like http://paste.ubuntu.com/5575954/ work for you?
[10:48] <chrisccoulson> jibel, ah, sorry, i didn't realize it would be such a pain :/
[10:48]  * sil2100 looks
[10:49] <jibel> chrisccoulson, no problem
[10:49] <jibel> I didn't realize either :)
[10:50] <sil2100> seb128: it's not bad, it's actually very similar to trunk as didrocks mentioned :)
[10:51] <seb128> sil2100, right, which is good
[10:51] <chrisccoulson> jibel, yeah, i think that should work
[10:51] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, how are you?
[10:51] <seb128> chrisccoulson, did you sleep or fought toolchains all night?
[10:51] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128. i'm good thanks. how are you?
[10:51] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i fell asleep ;)
[10:51] <seb128> I'm good as well, thanks
[10:51] <chrisccoulson> advantage of drinking beer, i guess ;)
[10:52] <chrisccoulson> so fixing this bug is todays job
[10:54] <jibel> chrisccoulson, great. So you'd need to apply this change to all the test scripts in debian/tests/
[10:54] <jibel> chrisccoulson, and I'll update the runner on my side
[10:54] <chrisccoulson> jibel, cool, i'll do that now. thanks
[11:03] <didrocks> grrr, /me is so used to use "j" in gmail, that everytime, I mark emails as junk and have to untag them :p
[11:13] <bdrung> Sweetsha1k: your proposed change look good. can you add a DEP3 header to the patch?
[11:13] <bdrung> Sweetsha1k: the header should tell me if the patch is forwarded to upstream, who wrote it, is it backported, etc
[11:24] <seb128> bdrung, hey, did you see my question before?
[11:25] <seb128> chrisccoulson, tjaalton: I'm running with uxa for a day and I didn't see the corruption in firefox since
[11:25] <seb128> chrisccoulson, tjaalton: it was not happening all the time before but I think I should have run into it by now
[11:25] <seb128> so seems like a sna bug
[11:25] <tjaalton> yeah, sounds like it
[11:26] <tjaalton> so a bug with screenshot(s) would be nice
[11:27] <bdrung> seb128: yes. i like to sponsor Sweetsha1k longer to give him a confident and strong recommendation to reapply. i also want to review the packaging reboot.
[11:27] <seb128> bdrung, ok, thanks
[11:28] <seb128> chrisccoulson, did you have a firefox bug about the image corruption that we can reassign/use?
[11:32] <sil2100> didrocks: btw. I'm getting similar glitches with the menu as you in qtcreator ;)
[11:33] <sil2100> So it seems you're not crazy after all!
[11:33] <sil2100> \o/
[11:33] <sil2100> Or we both are
[11:37] <seb128> bdrung, btw I don't think the packaging reboot is a reasonable requirement to grant a ppu
[11:38] <bdrung> seb128: i agree. the packaging reboot requires big changes in the packaging and therefore is good to have it reviewed.
[11:38] <seb128> right
[11:40] <didrocks> sil2100: ah, I'm not crazy, nor alonnnnnneeeee :)
[11:40] <bdrung> i hope that the size of the packaging will be reduced to a "manageable" size by the reboot
[11:40] <didrocks> sil2100: see? we can't push that to our users :)
[11:45] <seb128> bdrung, well, you can wish that, and that webkit will take 1h to build rather than 10h in the futur
[11:45] <seb128> bdrung, that's pretty irrevelant to ppu though...
[11:55] <didrocks> hum interesting, so opera isn't just moving to webkit, it's moving to chromium webkit :)
[12:34] <Sweetsha1k> bdrung: I did scrub the DEP3, because the upstreaming was still a/ in progress and b/ in a private mail c/ the patch looks completely different as upstream reorged their repo anyway. Once you are there, there is little to fill into the form left ...
[12:34] <Sweetsha1k> bdrung: but sure -- can do.
[12:35] <Sweetsha1k> bdrung: btw wrt package reboot: http://lwn.net/Articles/540550/
[12:36] <bdrung> Sweetsha1k: then you can set "Forwarded: yes"
[12:37] <bdrung> Sweetsha1k: i am subscribed to your blog and read your post yesterday. :) it's very promising
[14:37] <qengho> This chromium stable release has the first Lucid-breaking changes. Just a little bit longer....
[14:47] <seb128> hum
[14:48] <seb128> design wants https://launchpadlibrarian.net/131762588/searching%20the%20dash%20legal%20notice.html in the gnome-control-center info panel
[14:48]  * seb128 ponders if that's best done with GtkTextView and manual hacking or by using webkit
[14:48] <seb128> second is probably easier that textview hackery, but it means making g-c-c use webkit
[14:56] <dobey> pitti: not sure what's not working there exactly. it should be working.
[14:57] <pitti> dobey: ok, thanks for confirming; so I'll search for/file a bug then
[15:22] <chrisccoulson> hmmmm
[15:22] <chrisccoulson> i wonder whether to run the firefox tests in a full desktop session
[15:22] <chrisccoulson> upstream are doing that
[15:22] <chrisccoulson> that might fix some of the failures i have due to font settings etc
[15:26] <ogra_> during build ?
[15:26] <ogra_> the buildds will surely love you :)
[15:31] <chrisccoulson> ogra_, no, during autopkgtest
[15:31] <ogra_> ah :)
[15:32] <chrisccoulson> what i need is a desktop session that doesn't require acceleration. now, where can i get one of those?
[15:32] <chrisccoulson> ;)
[15:32] <ogra_> lol
[15:55] <chrisccoulson> yay, tests! http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-trunk.head/revision/1564
[16:03]  * ogra_ applauds
[17:20] <Sweetsha1k> bdrung: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/+junk/libcmis-werror/revision/7
[17:28] <bdrung> Sweetsha1k: thanks. i uploaded it (after taking the patch description for debian/changelog)
[17:36] <Sweetsha1k> bdrung: also http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-openoffice/libreoffice.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/ubuntu-raring-4.0 <- updated and the rc1 is pushed to the ppas.
[17:37] <Sweetsha1k> bdrung: note that lp#780399 seems not yet to be fixed (I just tried it), so needs some tweaking before it goes into raring.
[18:47]  * didrocks waves good evening
[19:45] <ricotz> Sweetsha1k, big yeah for 4.0.1 rc1! :)
[19:52] <chrisccoulson> hey, who's loading gtk3 in to firefox?
[19:52] <chrisccoulson> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=846863
[19:52] <ubot2`> Mozilla bug 846863 in Widget: Gtk "Crash in IA__gdk_keymap_get_for_display" [Critical,New]
[19:52]  * chrisccoulson prepares stick
[19:54] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, doesnt look like gtk3, libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0.2400.13
[19:55] <ricotz> ah my bad
[19:57] <chrisccoulson> errrrrrr, like, wtf?
[19:57] <chrisccoulson> chr1s@farnsworth:~$ ldd /usr/lib/libunity-webapps.so.0.0.0 | grep gtk
[19:57] <chrisccoulson>         libgtk-3.so.0 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgtk-3.so.0 (0x00007f338380b000)
[19:59] <chrisccoulson> and it's not coming from another library:
[19:59] <chrisccoulson> 0x0000000000000001 (NEEDED)             Shared library: [libgtk-3.so.0]
[20:04] <desrt> hahahah
[20:05] <desrt> this is almost as entertaining as why gnome-shell uses glx
[20:05] <chrisccoulson> lol
[20:06] <chrisccoulson> actually, i don't feel like laughing now. this is ridiculous. i wonder how on earth this has ever worked?
[20:06] <desrt> dynamic linking has always been vaguely non-deterministic
[20:06] <chrisccoulson> i imagine that firefox used to do something that triggered the registration of GdkKeymap before libunity-webapps loaded
[20:07] <chrisccoulson> and now it doesn't, and so type registration fails later on
[20:07] <chrisccoulson> this sucks
[20:21] <chrisccoulson> desrt, bug 1138473 ;)
[20:21] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1138473 in libunity-webapps (Ubuntu Raring) "libunity-webapps pulls gtk 3 in to Firefox" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1138473
[22:24] <bdrung> Sweetsha1k: libcmis fails to build on armhf
[22:25] <bdrung> Sweetsha1k: re libreoffice, the ~ppa1 needs to go away for the version
[22:26] <bdrung> i will look into it more deeply tomorrow if the time permits
[22:31] <bdrung> Sweetsha1k: re libreoffice-common: can you move all files from /usr/lib/libreoffice/share to /usr/share/libreoffice and create a symlink from /usr/lib/libreoffice/share to /usr/share/libreoffice?
[22:32] <bdrung> Sweetsha1k: 2. please fix all breaks-without-version lintian warning
[22:33] <bdrung> Sweetsha1k: 3. can you forward libreoffice-calc spelling-error-in-binary: usr/lib/libreoffice/program/vbaobj.uno.so paramater parameter
[22:34] <bdrung> and there are other spelling errors (see informational lintian warning)
[22:37] <desrt> RAOF: around?


[02:15] <Cimi> omg, dust on unr? who is the man behind that decision?
[04:41] <rsc___> unr?
[04:41] <rsc___> where is that?
[10:22] <kwwii> good morning
[10:25] <SiDi> heya kwwii
[10:25] <SiDi> mac_v: i think you _seriously_ should stop posting about that issue on ayatana
[10:25] <SiDi> at best your last email is insultive towards celeste
[10:26] <mac_v> tries to ignore SiDi
[10:26] <SiDi> and she is an expert because she has A LOT of background in UI design (she's the person with most experience on that field that i know) and because she leads the most serious usability project of the floss world
[10:26] <mac_v> SiDi: that doesnt mean others views should be discouraged
[10:26] <SiDi> She absolutely never said that
[10:27] <mac_v> SiDi: my reply was to scott!
[10:27] <SiDi> yes, but who does it aim ?
[10:27] <SiDi> scott doesnt consider himself an expert
[10:27] <mac_v> SiDi: it is aimed at no one
[10:28] <mac_v> SiDi: stop talking things out of context ;p , i said it in general!
[10:28] <SiDi> he just pointed out that you'd had quite rude words towards a person that is much more likely to point to actual problems than you and me, and whose opinion should be considered. He didnt say only hers had to be considered, just that she shouldnt be ignored
[10:28] <SiDi> mac_v: i know, but it definately looks aimed at _her_
[10:28] <SiDi> which i dont believe is what you wanted
[10:28] <SiDi> but you have serious communication problems, mac_v :p
[10:28]  * mac_v tires to gag SiDi
[10:28] <mac_v> SiDi: you have problems understanding!
[10:29] <SiDi> (when scott says " I think questions from people like Celeste would rate even higher than > ones for implementers." he is right btw :p)
[10:29] <mac_v> SiDi: read carefully , i mention everyone must be equal , several times
[10:29] <SiDi> (she's more likely than anyone else to point out to flaws that need to be addressed. Which doesnt mean only her can)
[10:29] <mac_v> he is wrong!
[10:29] <SiDi> no, he's not
[10:30] <mac_v> SiDi: the idea is the main , not the person
[10:30] <mac_v> SiDi: even a dumbass can at times give good ideas!
[10:30] <SiDi> celeste doesnt call herself an expert for the sake of any diploma, but because she has an awesome background in the matter. I had HMI courses and i dont call myself an expert :p
[10:30] <SiDi> Yes, mac_v AT TIMES
[10:30] <SiDi> she doesnt give good ideas AT TIMES :)
[10:31] <mac_v> yes myself
[10:31] <SiDi> She does it almost systematically
[10:31]  * mac_v ignores SiDi
[10:31]  * mac_v doesnt want to argue
[10:49] <kwwii> actually, celeste does have a degree (she is working on her doctorate currently, iirc) and does this stuff full time for money ;)
[10:50] <mac_v> kwwii: the problem is , Celeste did not take anything wrong with my comments! it was Scott who seems it in wrong vein! :(
[10:50] <mac_v> ti take it*
[10:51] <mac_v> kwwii: she replied off the ML :( , i told Sidi this too! but :(
[10:57] <kwwii> yeah, mailing list arguments can get freaky
[10:57] <kwwii> and scott is easy to piss off, it seems
[11:00] <mac_v> kwwii: why is Bug #405426 , left as "in progress" , this has been fixed right?
[11:01] <mac_v> or is it still in testing?
[12:19] <kwwii> mac_v: I did the work, not sure if it has made it into karmic or not
[12:19] <kwwii> mac_v: essentially, I was waiting for David or someone to make a decision
[12:20] <mac_v> kwwii: oh , it made its way into karmic , didnt you notice the complaints ;p
[12:23] <kwwii> mac_v: lol, nope...lucky me
[12:23] <kwwii> mac_v: just talking to mpt, he showed me the icon you made for the app store
[12:23] <kwwii> pretty good stuff, mind if I work on that idea bit further?
[12:24] <mac_v> sure no probs
[12:24] <mac_v> kwwii: i just couldnt fit more of the apps in the paperbag... :/
[12:24] <mac_v> so was thinking of making use of a basket
[12:51] <kwwii> mac_v: yeah, and right now the most important one is the icon for the menu, which is tiny
[13:14] <mac_v> kwwii: just a wacky idea ;) , how about a building similar to the Canonical headquarters? with an Ubuntu logo?
[13:14] <mac_v> doesnt have to be recognizable to all , but only a few would know ;p
[13:15] <mac_v> hehe , we could just say its a departmental store ;p
[13:18] <kwwii> hehe, unfortunately we only have the 27th floor in this building :p
[13:21] <mac_v> sshh!  no one knows that ;p
[13:31]  * kwwii goes down 27 floors to have a smoke :/
[13:32] <zniavre> haha
[13:33] <zniavre> ooops sorry (but good for your health if you don't use lift)
[13:41] <kwwii> better yet if you go all the way down and *then* realize you forget your passcard to get back in ;)
[14:20] <mac_v> kwwii: has mat gone on vacation?
[14:20] <mac_v> what happened to Boot ?
[14:22] <kwwii> mac_v: yes, he is on vacation this week
[14:22] <mac_v> oh...
[15:49] <mac_v> kwwii: could you show your app store icon? ;p
[16:06] <kwwii> mac_v: sure, let me export it
[16:06] <kwwii> not done yet
[16:09] <kwwii> http://imagebin.ca/view/9EHeRSiR.html
[16:20] <mac_v> kwwii: hmm... \o/ looks nice :)
[16:20] <mac_v> i think the logo could need a bit of contrast
[16:21] <kwwii> true
[16:24] <mac_v> kwwii: was this the same version you started earlier?
[16:24] <kwwii> mac_v: http://imagebin.ca/view/FGCcuVaz.html
[16:24] <kwwii> mac_v: yes, just started playing with it this afternoon
[16:25] <mac_v> the 32 px looks awesome
[16:25] <mac_v> kwwii: hehe , we had the same idea ;)
[16:29] <kwwii> now you know why I asked before I started ;)
[16:37] <mac_v> :)
[17:23] <kwwii> mac_v: http://sinecera.de/softwarestore128.png
[17:28] <mac_v> perfect :)
[17:29] <mac_v> kwwii: lol , at 24px i thought the red thing was a ruler  , now i realize its a screwdriver, right?
[17:30] <kwwii> mac_v: right
[18:57] <mac_v> dashua: hm... you changed the restore ? what happened?
[20:04] <dashua> mac_v, Yeah, you said to do the squares?
[20:05] <mac_v> dashua: yeah , but i thought you liked the arrows... so just asked what changed your mind :)
[20:05] <dashua> I do like the arrows, just thought this looked a little more consistent
[20:06] <mac_v> yeah
[20:07] <dashua> That one user was a mad bug reporter
[20:07] <dashua> Got a lot fixed :)
[20:07] <mac_v> hrm?
[20:07] <mac_v> which reporter?
[20:08] <dashua> rebuilt g-p-m 2.27.92 with all debian patches and it still doesn't work right for sleep
[20:08] <dashua> Wtf?
[20:08] <dashua> bennii89
[20:09] <dashua> He reported 3 or four bugs
[20:09] <mac_v> haha , there was one for humanity just now , 4-5 bugs in a row
[20:09] <mac_v> one was for plugins icon in gedit!
[20:09] <dashua> Ha
[20:09] <mac_v> it wasnt even in the theme ;p
[20:10] <dashua> That spinner is pretty sick the UNR branch
[20:10] <dashua> in*
[20:10] <mac_v> tell that to Dan
[20:10] <mac_v> dashua: he likes his version ;P
[20:10] <dashua> What?
[20:11] <mac_v> that the UNR spinner is better ;p
[20:11] <mac_v> there is another version in Humanity
[20:11] <dashua> mac_v, Fork Breathe and Humanity and make your own killer set ;)
[20:11] <mac_v> hehe , i dont have that much patience...
[20:11] <mac_v> but one day sure \o/
[20:12] <dashua> Nice
[20:12] <dashua> How are would it be to change the grey scale panel icons to the same color you made the Hanso metacity buttons?
[20:12] <dashua> Is that a lot of work?
[20:13] <mac_v> nope its just a simple change
[20:13]  * dashua bribes mac_v with a box a cookie
[20:13] <mac_v> but i wonder if it would look nice
[20:13] <dashua> I dunno
[20:15] <dashua> Probably would not look too good on light panels
[20:15] <mac_v> it would become too bright with the same color i used for metacity...  and light panels it wont show properly :(
[20:15] <dashua> Yeah, maybe a variant or something
[20:16] <dashua> It looks really good in UNR especially with the new window-picker-applet
[20:16] <dashua> As it subdues the icons in almost the same color as the panel icons
[20:16] <dashua> The minimize icons
[20:16] <dashua> minimized*
[20:18] <dashua> brb
[20:21] <dashua> mac_v, The problem with Dan's connection animation is that I can not see it
[20:21] <dashua> Yours is crystal clear
[20:21] <dashua> Like a radar
[20:21] <mac_v> i told him that
[20:22] <FLOZz> Hello all  _o/
[20:22] <mac_v> but everyone has their own bias , so i really cant force it too :)
[20:22] <mac_v> since i'm biased too ;p
[20:22] <dashua> True.
[20:23] <dashua> FLOZz, Hi
[20:23] <FLOZz> hi dashua
[20:23] <dashua> You're not a greeter bot, eh?
[20:24] <mac_v> just what i was about to ask ;p
[20:24] <mac_v> \o_
[20:24] <dashua> FLOZz, ?
[20:24] <mac_v> \o/
[20:24] <mac_v> _o/
[20:24] <dashua> \m/
[20:24] <mac_v> _o_
[20:24] <mac_v> lol
[20:25] <FLOZz> what ?
[20:25] <mac_v> oh !   We use Linux and IRC chat.
[20:28] <FLOZz> Yes... it's true...
[20:28] <dashua> And a majority of the time have just three way conversations.
[20:29] <dashua> mac_v, You mess with new xsplash yet?
[20:30] <mac_v> dashua: hmm , no , BTW when it the final version coming out
[20:30] <mac_v> is*
[20:31] <dashua> Not sure.  It works pretty flawless.
[20:31] <dashua> One minor flicker for me here on Nvidia.
[20:31] <dashua> Should be soon, I guess.
[20:31] <dashua> Maybe Thursday with a DX Team release
[20:32] <mac_v> this time a lot of things are being completed only after feature freeze :(
[20:32] <dashua> Yeah
[20:32] <dashua> The LTS will probably be where it's at
[20:32] <dashua> New GTK theme and all
[20:33] <dashua> Unless GNOME 3 messes that up
[20:34] <mac_v> dashua: Karmic +1 is totally going to be awesome
[20:34] <mac_v> theme wise
[20:36] <MDC1> mac_v, any screens of that wonder theme?
[20:36] <mac_v> MDC1: it was an urban legend ;p
[20:36] <mac_v> so no one has pictures ;)
[20:36] <MDC1> hehe
[20:37] <MDC1> i hoped it was true for once..
[20:37] <mac_v> from what i have been told it is going to turn out nice :)
[20:37] <MDC1> i'm really tired of the brown now..it was cool like 5 min 5 years ago..
[20:42] <MDC1> hmm.. maybe little harsh to say in #u-d ;-)
[20:42] <MDC1> #u-a *
[20:53] <mac_v> \o/ channel split
[20:53] <mac_v> ll
[20:53] <mac_v> crap!
[20:53] <mac_v> \o/
[20:53] <mac_v> |o|
[20:54] <mac_v> \o/
[20:54] <mac_v> |.|
[20:55] <mac_v>  /'\
[20:55] <mac_v>  \o/
[20:55] <mac_v>  |.|
[20:55] <mac_v>  /'\
[20:55] <mac_v>  \o/
[20:56] <mac_v>  |.|
[20:56] <mac_v>  /'\
[20:56]  * SiDi slaps mac_v to wake him up from his inconscient dance
[20:56] <mac_v> oops! i'm not alone
[20:56] <SiDi> :D
[20:56] <FLOZz> It's a stupid techno dance !
[20:57] <mac_v> i thought there was a channel split and i was alone. ... ;p
[20:57] <FLOZz> xD
[21:21] <FLOZz> Bye


[08:10] <mup> PR snapd#12158 closed: image,tests: tweak naming and test for classic UC20+ image <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12158>
[10:36] <mup> PR snapd#12290 closed: testutil: compare unsorted containers nested in maps <Skip spread> <Created by MiguelPires> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12290>
[12:01] <mup> PR snapd#12307 opened: aspects: support placeholders in aspect names <Skip spread> <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12307>
[12:22] <mup> PR snapcraft#3978 opened: linters: fix classic linter interpreter warning <Created by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3978>
[14:23] <murmel> ogra: available for a min?
[14:23] <ogra> sure
[14:24] <murmel> I get this error, but no idea what actually is wrong with the snapcraft, as I even verified there is no dead whitespaces (I have issues sometimes with deadkeys :S) https://paste.debian.net/1260225/
[14:25] <murmel> this is the actual file https://paste.debian.net/1260226/
[14:27] <ogra> murmel, line 32 has a wrong indentation
[14:27] <ogra> (yaml is *very* strinct with that ... also always make use there are no tabs used (vim at time likes to replace spaces with tabs IIRC)
[14:28] <murmel> now i feel dumb :X
[14:28] <murmel> ogra: yeah, I had issues with intendation, as my vimrc was a bit buggy
[14:28] <ogra> not sure why it complains about line 15 though ... there might be something mis-interpreted with the colons in the url of the description line
[14:29] <ogra> .. which then causes it to complain when moving to the next block
[14:29] <murmel> i fixed line 32 and it also fixed the other issue :X
[14:29] <ogra> hah !
[14:29] <murmel> can I pm you?
[14:30] <ogra> sure
[15:47] <mup> PR snapd#12308 opened: interfaces: allow python3.10+ in the default template <Simple 😃> <Needs security review> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12308>
[16:09] <x7upLime> do you still build snapd using snapcraft?
[16:10] <x7upLime> for devel purposes I mean..
[16:10] <x7upLime> referring to the hacking.md file in the snapd repo
[16:18] <mup> PR snapcraft#3979 opened: tests: allow local git submodules <Created by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3979>
[16:32] <mup> PR snapd#12309 opened: o/state: introduce WaitStatus <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12309>
[16:43] <mup> PR snapcraft#3980 opened: plugins: Increase kernel plugin build environments comparability <Created by jocado> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3980>
[17:27] <mup> PR snapd#12310 opened: client: remove classic check for `snap recovery --show-keys` <Simple 😃> <Needs Samuele review> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12310>
[18:23] <mup> PR snapcraft#3979 closed: tests: allow local git submodules <Created by cmatsuoka> <Merged by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3979>
[19:58] <mup> PR snapcraft#3981 opened: [draft] wip provide snapcraft try for core22 <Created by tigarmo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3981>
[21:38] <mup> PR snapcraft#3982 opened: lifecycle: fix double emit.pause() call <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3982>
[22:58] <mup> PR snapcraft#3983 opened: repo: raise error when populating the apt cache directory fails <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3983>
[23:28] <mup> PR snapcraft#3982 closed: lifecycle: fix double emit.pause() call <Created by mr-cal> <Merged by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3982>