[01:13] <zhukov> if it doesnt work just remove it
[01:13] <HaRDaWaY> ok, thanks zhukov im going to try it
[01:13] <zhukov> HaRDaWaY, you know were to add it, right?
[01:14] <HaRDaWaY> yes
[01:14] <HaRDaWaY> i know
[01:14] <zhukov> :)
[01:14] <HaRDaWaY> i have add yesterday something as noapic and nolapic
[01:14] <HaRDaWaY> but..i dont put pci= before
[01:15] <zhukov> ?
[01:15] <HaRDaWaY> sorry for my english
[01:15] <zhukov> it isnt needed?
[01:15] <mhz> What do I need to specify in order to let FireStarter accpet NFS from certain range of local IP's???
[01:15] <HaRDaWaY> ok, zhukov im going to try it
[01:15] <zhukov> i thought it was... :P well sorry then
[01:15] <jmazaredo> if i want to change the ownership of a directory to root will "chown root:root FOLDER" will sufice?
[01:15] <radix> jmazaredo: for that directly only; if you want to recurse to the files and so forth it contains, add -R
[01:16] <jmazaredo> will it affect mailing?
[01:16] <radix> mailing?
[01:16] <zhukov> and v to
[01:16] <jmazaredo> yup
[01:16] <zhukov> -Rv so you can see whats going on :)
[01:16] <radix> I have no idea what you're talking about. you didn't say anything about mail...
[01:17] <jmazaredo> because recently I added an account to my system i chowned the some directory to get it accessed by that user then somehow it can't receive mail but it can send mail. :)
[01:18] <radix> what directory?
[01:18] <jmazaredo> html
[01:18] <radix> html where?
[01:18] <jmazaredo> in apache default like the www/html
[01:19] <jmazaredo> is there something to do with chowning?
[01:19] <radix> ok, that shouldn't affect your mail setup. But maybe you accidentally chowned something else, like the user's spool file.
[01:20] <jmazaredo> i added a group named www and add a webmaster account under it
[01:20] <jmazaredo> then chowned the html directory
[01:20] <jmazaredo> weird
[01:20] <jmazaredo> hehe
[01:21] <jmazaredo> but all account that i create in " adduser NAME " can send and retrieve mail
[01:21] <jmazaredo> just that one
[01:21] <jmazaredo> ;]
[01:23] <zhukov> shes big, shes black and she pump a lot of air she a 500mm fan shes a 500mm fan...lalalalalalala  musical moment of the day...
[01:24] <zhukov> its a she :D
[01:24] <zerokills> i have one of the hugest fans on my cpu, its as loud as my vacuum cleaner
[01:24] <zhukov> in english you just treat a fan sexless...as the printers
[01:25] <zhukov> in portuguese printer is a female...
[01:25] <pmjdebruijn> it's also kinda pointless to brag about a noisy fan ... :p
[01:25] <zerokills> lol
[01:25] <zhukov> :)
[01:25] <zerokills> hey, but my cpu stays cool
[01:26] <radix> zhukov: we still say that computers are female, though ;)
[01:26] <zhukov> mine too...and silent :) and the room is cool to :D
[01:26] <radix> just like cars ;)
[01:26] <pmjdebruijn> my fans are near silent, and stuff keeps cool to... everything under 50 degrees while under load
[01:26] <zhukov> true?
[01:26] <zhukov> radix, why female?
[01:26] <pmjdebruijn> radix: hey, whatever floats your boat...
[01:27] <radix> zhukov: it's probably a sexual thing ;)
[01:27] <zhukov> in here they're male :(
[01:27] <zhukov> i want a female pc!!
[01:27] <radix> hehe
[01:27] <zhukov> from now on my pcs are all female
[01:28] <dwing> hi
[01:28] <zerokills> hola
[01:28] <zhukov> mouse will be rata, keyboar will be teclada, screen will be ecrana, printer will continue impressora
[01:28] <zhukov> thats it :D surrounded :)
[01:28] <dwing> is it possible to copy a directory without any hidden subdirectories?
[01:28] <radix> haha
[01:29] <deco> yeah, this xfce is much better than gnome with this slow computer, thanks mjr
[01:30] <podge> pmjdebruijn: What CPU are you running?
[01:30] <pmjdebruijn> podge: AMD Athlon XP 2200+
[01:30] <Ben_Babcock> This tapping thing is annoying . . . how do I turn off the "tap-to-click" feature of my touchpad in Ubuntu?
[01:30] <podge> pmjdebruijn: What CPU fan?
[01:31] <mhz> What do I need to specify in order to let FireStarter accpet NFS from certain range of local IP's???
[01:31] <pmjdebruijn> podge: GlacialTech SilentBreeze 462 III, and a GlacialTech 80x80 casefan
[01:31] <podge> pmjdebruijn: I need some high volume fans on my AMD 2600.. it is a bit whiney..
[01:32] <jmazaredo> whats the command for deleting a file? hehe i have setuped web/mail/internet but i can delete a file :)
[01:32] <pmjdebruijn> and of course a dual fan power supply
[01:32] <madsen> Weird... My firefox just started exiting with status 0 when run... It's like it doesn't even try to start up.
[01:32] <radix> madsen: does "ifconfig" show that your lo interface is up?
[01:33] <podge> madsen: Are you running firefox from a terminal window?
[01:33] <madsen> radix: Yup, lo is up.
[01:33] <madsen> podge: Yup
[01:34] <podge> madsen: Installed any plugins or extensions recently?
[01:34] <madsen> strace firefox doesn't really reveal anything useful.
[01:34] <zhukov> damn i just spilled 1 litre of juice on top of me
[01:34] <madsen> podge: Yeah, but it ran fine for a while. Untill X crashed.
[01:34] <solli> Does anybody know about a good mp3-player (HDD) which works as a mountable hdd on linux?
[01:35] <Funraiser> zhukov, beer juice?
[01:35] <podge> madsen: Was it a plugin or an extension?
[01:35] <madsen> podge: I had to restart firefox to finish the extension install and it came up just fine afterwards.
[01:35] <madsen> podge: extension.
[01:35] <podge> madsen: yep..
[01:35] <zhukov> Funraiser, apple and lichia juice
[01:35] <zhukov> damnit
[01:35] <Funraiser> zhukov, too bad
[01:35] <madsen> podge: I installed like 6 extensions...
[01:35] <zerokills> lichia?
[01:35] <zhukov> sudo apt-get remove all_this_juicy_mess
[01:36] <madsen> podge: But I think I've started firefox 8 times since then --- no problems.
[01:36] <podge> madsen: Try running the profile manager.. firefox -ProfileManager
[01:36] <zhukov> command not found?? what do you mean with command not found?
[01:36] <Funraiser> sudo rm -rf juice
[01:36] <podge> madsen: Maybe something stuffed with the default profile..
[01:36] <Max> how are you doing guys.
[01:36] <zerokills> sudo apt-get install dry-towel
[01:36] <zhukov> oh that worked :D
[01:36] <madsen> Hmm, the profileManager comes up fine. :)
[01:37] <zerokills> hiya max
[01:37] <podge> madsen: Create a new profile..
[01:37] <Funraiser> lol
[01:37] <podge> madsen: And run with that..
[01:37] <zhukov> nice towel :D
[01:37] <Max> when the next release of ubuntu is due?
[01:37] <zerokills> hehe
[01:37] <mjr> Max, October
[01:37] <madsen> podge: I'm trying, but nothing happens. :(
[01:37] <Max> zerokills, hello are you today
[01:37] <Max> mjr, what will be special there?
[01:37] <podge> madsen: So you can't even create a new profile?
[01:38] <Max> how can i download kubuntu???
[01:38] <zerokills> max, good yourself?
[01:38] <deco> i have some hauppauges capture card or something like that, what software would be best to download with apt-get?
[01:38] <madsen> podge: Yeah, I can, but I can't run ff with it.
[01:38] <Max> zerokills, i am fine.. thank you
[01:38] <mjr> Max, well, special and special... There'll be the new Gnome, and I hear that Mono and Beagle will make an appearance
[01:38] <zerokills> guys, 30 seconds left of download.. omg omg omg
[01:38] <podge> madsen: firefox -P profile
[01:38] <Max> mjr, thats cool
[01:38] <podge> madsen: Doesn't work?
[01:39] <Max> zerokills, what are you downloading?
[01:39] <Funraiser> deco, xawview works fine on mine
[01:39] <Max> mjr, how can i download kubuntu..?
[01:39] <madsen> podge: Nope, it just hangs.
[01:39] <Funraiser> deco, installed by default
[01:39] <Max> is it worth?
[01:39] <zerokills> max: Half-Life 2
[01:39] <zerokills> brb
[01:39] <Max> zerokills, thats cool
[01:39] <deco> Funraiser: ok tnx
[01:39] <Max> zerokills, from where are you downloading it?
[01:40] <zerokills> thru steam
[01:40] <podge> madsen: Hmm... that hurts bad..
[01:40] <Funraiser> deco, look on applications/debian/etc...somewhere over there
[01:40] <madsen> podge: Indeed...
[01:40] <madsen> podge: I tried debugging a little with strace, but it doesn't say anything unusual.
[01:40] <deco> Funraiser: ain't there
[01:40] <podge> madsen: Time to reinstall or delete your .mozilla directory..
[01:40] <Funraiser> deco, do u see the debian apps?
[01:40] <deco> Funraiser: not at all
[01:40] <Funraiser> the debian directory
[01:40] <Funraiser> ?
[01:40] <Max> does anyone using kubuntu??
[01:41] <Funraiser> deco, is it the ubuntu english?
[01:41] <deco> Funraiser: and apt-get won't found it either
[01:41] <madsen> podge: Well, my .mozilla dir ain't going nowhere... So perhaps an FF reinstall...
[01:41] <deco> Funraiser: yeah?
[01:41] <podge> madsen: Maybe only delete the /home/madsen/.mozilla/firefox directory..
[01:41] <bigfoot1> anybody interested in a personality hack?
[01:41] <deco> Funraiser: im using xfce4 right now, but that doesn't matter right?
[01:42] <Funraiser> deco, don't know
[01:42] <Max> anyone??
[01:42] <bigfoot1> you interested, max?
[01:42] <deco> it should start from terminal anyways...
[01:42] <madsen> podge: Yeah, that's the one I want to keep. :) Well, perhaps copy the firefox-dir to a different location and then try replacing the pref-files one by one and see which one b0rks it.
[01:42] <Max> bigfoot1, yes
[01:42] <Funraiser> anyway xawview works with happauge tv cards
[01:42] <deco> Funraiser: ok, maybe google tells
[01:42] <Funraiser> well mine works
[01:43] <Max> Funraiser, my tv card does not work in linux.. i am so sad :(
[01:43] <bigfoot1> okay, hold on. but while i'm gone (few seconds), tell me what you think this personality hack is. 8-)
[01:43] <deco> Funraiser: can you open it from the terminal usin xawview?
[01:43] <Mez> mine works great in ubuntu :D
[01:43] <Mez> using tvtim
[01:43] <Mez> tvtime *
[01:43] <madsen> podge: But I doubt it's anything with my profile since I can't create a new one...
[01:43] <Funraiser> deco, well i'm on my laptop right now, the tv card is on the desktop,can't tell u from here, but i 'm pretty sure i can open it from the terminal
[01:43] <deco> Mez: can you record as well with that?
[01:44] <Funraiser> Max,  did u try xawview?
[01:44] <deco> Funraiser: yeah, im just wondering is the command same as the program name
[01:44] <zerokills> brb, rebooting
[01:44] <Fr0Gs> how can i make a ntfs drive writeable not just readonly
[01:44] <Max> Funraiser, the fact is that my card doesnot support linux.. so no point trying
[01:44] <bigfoot1> Okay, the personality hack is here http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4579681.stm
[01:45] <bigfoot1> max, how come the non-response 8-)
[01:45] <bigfoot1> ?
[01:45] <Funraiser> Max, do u know the chipset? bt878?
[01:45] <Max> bigfoot1, about what
[01:45] <Seveas> Fr0Gs, you can't...
[01:45] <madsen> podge: Hmm, removing the .mozilla/firefox dir didn't do anything... It still just hangs... (Instead of returning 0 as it did with the original profile.)
[01:45] <Seveas> ntfs write support is not available
[01:45] <bigfoot1> max, about the personality hack. i was asking you what you think it was?
[01:45] <Max> bigfoot1, oh i am sorry
[01:46] <zhukov> Seveas, you can...but you may destroy data
[01:46] <Seveas> zhukov, i know, captive...
[01:46] <bigfoot1> anyway, the link's up there.
[01:46] <Seveas> but it's too difficult & dangerous
[01:46] <Max> bigfoot1, okay let me check
[01:46] <Linforcer> Hey can anyone tell me where I can set different programs to open on specific desktops?
[01:46] <zhukov> DAMN IT FOR (/"&"()/&"()/&!"$ OUT LOUD! why does firefox keep crashing!!
[01:46] <zhukov> ???
[01:47] <zhukov> downgrading right NOW!
[01:47] <Max> bigfoot1, hmm i need to read it
[01:47] <Max> so anyone using kubuntu???
[01:47] <bigfoot1> not I, max.
[01:47] <Funraiser> Max, i tried
[01:47] <Max> Funraiser, so how is it??
[01:48] <Max> Funraiser, worth trying?
[01:48] <Funraiser> Max, it kinda fu**** my ubuntu gnome install but maybe it's my fault
[01:48] <zhukov> Max, its worthless in my opinion
[01:48] <Max> Funraiser, gow did you installed it?
[01:49] <Max> zhukov, coz its more like xp??? lol :D
[01:49] <podge> madsen: So I guess a reinstall is in order.. :(
[01:49] <ussss> shinu, ?
[01:49] <Funraiser> Max, i did an apt-get install i believe
[01:49] <ussss> u there ?
[01:49] <zhukov> Max, I hate KDE
[01:49] <Max> Funraiser, u installed KDE??
[01:49] <Linforcer> Funraiser: yeah that'll mess it up
[01:49] <podge> zhukov: hate? :)
[01:49] <zhukov> hate
[01:49] <Funraiser> Max, well kubuntu is kde
[01:49] <zhukov> completly
[01:49] <Linforcer> Funraiser: I tried that with Warty back in the day
[01:49] <zhukov> more than windows
[01:50] <madsen> podge: Yup, and that did the job. Now it even works again with my old profile and settings. :)
[01:50] <zhukov> a lot more
[01:50] <bigfoot1> anybody a mac-lover?
[01:50] <podge> zhukov: KDE is configurable.. unlike windows..
[01:50] <Firetech> hmm, how do I start udev with correct permissions? "sudo /etc/init.d/udev start" sets wrong group on some devices (as tty), which causes some programs to stop working...
[01:50] <Max> Funraiser, well i was asking only kde or the whole distro
[01:50] <madsen> podge: Thanks for your time. :)
[01:50] <podge> madsen: Strange..
[01:50] <zhukov> podge, gnome rules
[01:50] <Linforcer> Funraiser: yeah but thuy made  a different thinger mfor it BECAUSE of the problems of installing Gnome and KDE together
[01:50] <podge> madsen: So you still have the extensions etc?
[01:50] <Max> zhukov, i have no problem with anything.. right now i am using xfce4
[01:50] <podge> zhukov: I run gnome everywhere.. minimalist interface..
[01:50] <Funraiser> Max, from ubuntu gnome i did apt-get install kubuntu i think
[01:50] <zhukov> :
[01:50] <Linforcer> Funraiser: therefore installing KDE under Ubuntu != Kubuntu
[01:50] <zhukov> :
[01:50] <podge> zhukov: KDE is good for Windows cronies.. :)
[01:51] <zhukov> damn keyboard ;MMNHOHmkjmnjm
[01:51] <zhukov> :)
[01:51] <Max> Funraiser, okay..
[01:51] <madsen> podge: yup!
[01:51] <zhukov> ah!
[01:51] <Linforcer> Hmm well I see one upside to KDE
[01:51] <madsen> podge: But yeah, indeed odd...
[01:51] <Max> zhukov, cool down dude
[01:51] <zhukov> podge, cronies?
[01:51] <Funraiser> Linforcer, well someone told me it was safe to install Kubuntu form ubuntu so i did it
[01:51] <podge> madsen: I have trouble understanding how the system firefox install was corrupted...
[01:51] <Funraiser> Linforcer, but funny stuff happened since
[01:51] <Max> he means cousines
[01:51] <bigfoot1> can i share a great article i found? From PC World, 30 Things You Didn't Know You Could Do on the Internet. http://www.pcworld.com/resource/printable/article/0,aid,120784,00.asp Do you know of "other things you didn't know could be done on the internet"
[01:51] <Linforcer> Funraiser: maybe it is supposed to be in Hoary
[01:51] <zhukov> Max, this keyboard only works with some punches
[01:52] <madsen> podge: Yeah, me too.
[01:52] <bigfoot1> let me know what you think of the article.
[01:52] <Linforcer> Funraiser: I just remember in Warty it did weeeeird things with sound
[01:52] <Max> zhukov, then u must have good meals..lol
[01:52] <Funraiser> Linforcer, like kde windows opening in gnome...:-(
[01:52] <podge> zhukov: http://www.google.com.au/search?q=define+cronies&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial
[01:52] <madsen> podge: It might have something to do with my X crashing. (That's when it stopped working.)
[01:52] <Linforcer> heh
[01:52] <Linforcer> anyway... The only thing about Kd I like is Konqueror
[01:52] <madsen> podge: I'm playing with the composite extension and stuff and it _is_ pretty unstable after all...
[01:52] <Linforcer> minus the web abilities that is
[01:52] <Max> okay zhukov tell me why do u hate KDE?
[01:53] <Funraiser> I had konqueror opening without asking in ubuntu
[01:53] <podge> madsen: Doing your own extension work?
[01:53] <madsen> Linforcer: KWord is alright too.
[01:53] <Linforcer> it's imo a much better file browser than nautilus
[01:53] <zhukov> now i have no firefox...
[01:53] <madsen> podge: No, just messing around with drop-shadows in Xorg and stuff.
[01:53] <podge> madsen: Cool.. looks good no doubt (when it is running)..
[01:53] <Max> what is the downloading size of KDE???
[01:53] <Linforcer> I'm planning on using fluxbox once I've made my switch to gentoo anyway
[01:54] <podge> madsen: any screenshots?
[01:54] <zhukov> Max, i dunno...it seems all so...fragile. So like all is going down if I sneeze
[01:54] <madsen> podge: It runs alright here, but it is a bit unstable.
[01:54] <madsen> podge: I can make you one, just a sec.
[01:54] <Funraiser> Max, i think you should at least try KDE, personnaly i prefer gnome, KDE is too MS-windows-like to me
[01:54] <zhukov> and i dont like crystal.and i hate the bar
[01:54] <zhukov> yes
[01:54] <Seveas> zhukov, haaatchooooo!
[01:54] <Linforcer> Funraiser: what about KDE is like Windows?
[01:54] <zhukov> :D
[01:54] <Max> Funraiser, yeah thats waht its aim was
[01:54] <Seveas> and it;s broken :)
[01:55] <zhukov> gnome is rock-solid
[01:55] <zhukov> I love this word :)
[01:55] <Funraiser> Linforcer, i dunno know, a general feeling
[01:55] <podge> kde is light years ahead of windows..
[01:55] <Linforcer> hmm
[01:55] <zhukov> thats why came to linux
[01:55] <Max> Funraiser, what is the size of KDE?
[01:55] <Funraiser> no idea
[01:55] <podge> purely because it is so configurable..
[01:55] <zhukov> and i came across ubuntu because o gdesklets :D
[01:55] <zhukov> *of
[01:56] <podge> zhukov: Desklets are cool..
[01:56] <Max> i love ubuntu
[01:56] <Funraiser> podge, when they work
[01:56] <Linforcer> Max:  I get 422 MB
[01:56] <podge> Funraiser: yep..
[01:56] <zhukov> right after warty came out, i installed hoary :D I was using suse, but suse is mainly kde, and i wanted the gdesklets bar :) MacOs freak back then...
[01:56] <Linforcer> Max:  152 MB download
[01:56] <podge> Funraiser: I do remember them being a bit unstable..
[01:56] <Max> zhukov, why do u use desklets?
[01:56] <zhukov> so i googled gnome based distro
[01:56] <zhukov> and ubuntu came along :D
[01:57] <Funraiser> the google mail desklet works at least
[01:57] <zhukov> Max, i use them only only on my laptop for mail and news...and to see the free space of / and /home
[01:57] <Max> zhukov, okay
[01:58] <Linforcer> zhukov: I used SuSE first too... I hate it. but if you could get Novell Linux Desktop which basically is SuSE with Gnome and a Novell theme
[01:58] <Funraiser> Max, gdesklets make your desktop look really cool have a look (and it's useful too) http://www.lynucs.org/?gdesklets
[01:58] <Max> today i got free cds of ubuntu... 5 months after i ordered...lol
[01:58] <Max> i already downloaded 2 releases
[01:58] <Max> lol
[01:58] <Funraiser> lol
[01:58] <Max> but i am happy
[01:58] <Funraiser> still waiting for mine
[01:58] <podge> Max : They were delivered freepost.. :)
[01:58] <Linforcer> my ubuntu with desklets: http://img275.echo.cx/img275/174/screenshot2yh.png
[01:58] <pmjdebruijn> got Hoary yesterday :)
[01:58] <zhukov> oh, and what about that proggy to use your gmail account as a drive?
[01:58] <Max> Funraiser, where are you from?
[01:59] <Funraiser> France why
[01:59] <Funraiser> Max, did u look at the screenshots?
[01:59] <Linforcer> La France!
[01:59] <Linforcer> xD
[01:59] <podge> Linforcer: The post it notes are good..
[01:59] <zhukov> firefox isnt working... :S
[02:00] <Max> Funraiser, yes i did
[02:00] <podge> madsen: How is your screenshot going?
[02:00] <Linforcer> podge: very unfunctional this one though the gnome post its  can do much more... but this one is prettier
[02:00] <reka> hmmm, anyone know how to set xpdf's zoom level to fit the whole page on load-time?  i tried -z="page", -z='page' and -z=page and it none of them seem to work.
[02:01] <Max> linux is cool... very much customizable
[02:01] <podge> Linforcer: I remember that it was difficult to move the desklets around once placed on the desktop.. is that still a problem?
[02:01] <zhukov> 200 or 400 :D
[02:01] <zhukov> podge, i never had that problem
[02:01] <podge> Linforcer: How about a PSP on your list?
[02:01] <Linforcer> podge: not at all rightclick any and say "move desklet"
[02:01] <Linforcer> podge: naaaah
[02:02] <Linforcer> I really should change hthe amount of money >.>
[02:02] <Linforcer> I only need about 380
[02:02] <podge> zhukov: Linforcer: I tried them a while back so they have probably improved heaps!
[02:02] <Max> Linforcer, u better...lol
[02:02] <podge> Linforcer: You also need to add a PS3.. :)
[02:02] <Linforcer> haha
[02:02] <Linforcer> my cube is all I need for now
[02:03] <Funraiser> Max, with gdesklets u could for example have an RSS feed to the desktop or check if u have a new email on a tiny window
[02:03] <podge> Linforcer: Not many details on the Nintendo Revolution..
[02:03] <Linforcer> I bought paper mario for it and for days lator I finished it and it had 60 hrs on the clock
[02:03] <Max> Funraiser, how did u make the bottom icon colorful i dont know how to do that
[02:04] <Linforcer> podge: but apparently (though these are always just rumours) it would lot you buy old nes/snes/n64 games off the web
[02:04] <podge> Linforcer: I bought some old Amiga games off ebay the other day..
[02:05] <Linforcer> amiga >.< that's far back
[02:05] <Funraiser> Max, bottom...icon...(?)
[02:05] <zhukov> http://zhukov.com.sapo.pt/Screenshot.png and http://zhukov.com.sapo.pt/Screenshot2.png     <--- back in the Suse days
[02:05] <Max> Funraiser, yes on the bottom half of ur screen
[02:06] <Linforcer> zhukov: macish
[02:06] <Funraiser> Max, are u using xchat?
[02:06] <podge> Linforcer: Yep.. but I can't deny my past.. :)
[02:06] <Max> Funraiser, yes
[02:06] <zhukov> this is my server right now :  http://zhukov.com.sapo.pt/CapturaEcra.png
[02:06] <Max> Funraiser, why did u ask that>
[02:06] <zhukov> i've solves my mac paranoia with ubuntu
[02:06] <Funraiser> Max, i didn't show u my screen...
[02:06] <Funraiser> ?
[02:07] <Rocha> zhukov, is that your desktop?
[02:07] <zhukov> the last one
[02:07] <zhukov> http://zhukov.com.sapo.pt/CapturaEcra.png
[02:07] <Rocha> zhukov, icon theme very ugly
[02:07] <Max> Funraiser, how do i start desklet?
[02:07] <Linforcer> zhukov: what language is that >.>
[02:07] <zhukov> portuges
[02:07] <Rocha> zhukov, at least the folder icons, very ugly
[02:07] <zhukov> *portuguese
[02:07] <madsen> podge: http://lillesvin.net/stuff/ubuntu_shadows.png
[02:07] <zhukov> i love mac icons :)
[02:07] <Funraiser> Max, follow http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#gdesklets
[02:07] <Max> i am so sorry it was Linforcer's
[02:07] <madsen> podge: Sorry about the delay, my X crashed again (probably because of the composite ext.)
[02:08] <Linforcer> zhukov:  more importantly, who's the chick
[02:08] <Max> Funraiser, i have desklets installed
[02:08] <Linforcer> Max: you don't like my icons?
[02:08] <zhukov> my girlfriend :)
[02:08] <Max> Linforcer, i did
[02:08] <Linforcer> zhukov: sweeetttt
[02:08] <Funraiser> Max, applications, accessories, gdesklets
[02:09] <Max> i just wanted to know how u made them colorful. Linforcer
[02:09] <Linforcer> Max: ah, kay... "Gartoon" theme :P
[02:09] <podge> madsen: Nice!!
[02:09] <madsen> podge: :)
[02:09] <Linforcer> Max: got em off Gnome art ;)
[02:09] <podge> madsen: Only problem is the gnome panels look so plain compared to the window toolbars..
[02:10] <Linforcer> zhukov: can't you show me one of the pics on yer desktop instead of the screenie? :P
[02:10] <madsen> podge: Yeah, but the menu and the clock overlays the bg image, so it's really hard to make it look better.
[02:10] <zhukov> Linforcer, dont push it :P
[02:10] <Max> Linforcer, cool
[02:10] <Linforcer> zhukov: aaaaw :(
[02:11] <podge> madsen: So are you a tester or are you just interested in crashing every 15 minutes? :)
[02:11] <Max> Funraiser, do i need to install desklet-data?
[02:11] <madsen> podge: the latter. :)
[02:11] <zhukov> NOIOOOO
[02:11] <zhukov> DONT
[02:11] <Funraiser> Max, yes it's best to follow the guide
[02:11] <zhukov> it has problems
[02:11] <Linforcer> NOOOOO INDEED
[02:11] <madsen> podge: Just had to try it out. I've spent sooo long on Debian missing such options.
[02:11] <Max> Funraiser,  thankx i will
[02:11] <Linforcer> the data messes in up
[02:12] <Linforcer> since the new versions use "controls" rather tha sensors
[02:12] <Linforcer> or was that ermmmm
[02:12] <Linforcer> displays rather than sensors
[02:12] <Linforcer> I think the former
[02:12] <podge> madsen: Do any other window managers have that feature?
[02:13] <Linforcer> Has anyone tried aDesklets?
[02:13] <Funraiser> nope
[02:13] <Max> Funraiser, i am using xfce not GNOME
[02:13] <Funraiser> oh
[02:13] <Linforcer> xfce eeew\
[02:13] <madsen> podge: Well, the feature is implemented in Xorg and the WMs can utilize it... So basically all WMs have it...
[02:13] <Linforcer> xffm is an abomonation
[02:13] <Funraiser> Max, dunno then if it's the same or not
[02:14] <Max> Linforcer, did u say xfce is not good..
[02:14] <Linforcer> Max: I don't have good experiences with it, no
[02:14] <podge> madsen: Nice.. seems like the Xorg guys are really firing up..
[02:14] <Max> Linforcer, well i am trying it.. using from last 3 days
[02:15] <Linforcer> Max:  does it have a mini commander?
[02:15] <madsen> podge: Yeah. Alpha transparency is also supported now, though I don't know how to use it. Hehe.
[02:15] <Max> so i dont have enough experience to comment on it..
[02:15] <Max> but its faster
[02:15] <Linforcer> because at the friend where I used it it didn't anywhere
[02:15] <Linforcer> also xffm is awful
[02:16] <madsen> podge: In reasonably short time translucent menus and good drop shadows should be a reality in Linux.
[02:16] <podge> madsen: What country are you from?
[02:16] <zhukov> madsen, they will
[02:16] <madsen> podge: Denmark, why?
[02:16] <zhukov> brezzy will have them
[02:16] <madsen> zhukov: :)
[02:16] <podge> madsen: It's not filled out in your profile.. :)
[02:16] <madsen> podge: What profile?
[02:16] <Linforcer> will breezy also have a splash screen for grub?
[02:16] <Max> now i want to give away my linux cds to my friends
[02:16] <podge> madsen: When I right click on your IRC username..
[02:17] <madsen> Linforcer: hopefully it'll have bootsplash.
[02:17] <madsen> podge: Oh! :)
[02:17] <zhukov> as well as (not conifrmed) some sort of expose and that sleek animation of the window minimizing to the bar  la mac os :D
[02:17] <madsen> podge: I use irssi, so I don't "right click" anywhere. ;)
[02:17] <zhukov> *confirmed
[02:17] <podge> madsen: My project at the moment is getting my Sun Rays to work on Ubuntu.. pretty much everything figured out except ALSA sound..
[02:18] <Max> hey gotta go guys
[02:18] <madsen> zhukov: I saw some cool stuff somewhere with window movement, minimizing and maximizing.  Sun Ray thin clients..
[02:18] <Max> bye zhukov
[02:18] <zhukov> bye Max
[02:18] <Linforcer> does anyone know why a desklet that simply counts down to a darn date takes up 30% processor usage?
[02:18] <Funraiser> lol
[02:18] <Linforcer> because it's still a mystery to me
[02:19] <Funraiser> does it count down from<PHONE_NUMBER>6545?
[02:19] <madsen> podge: Oh! Sweet!
[02:19] <zhukov> because it is very complicated...
[02:20] <Funraiser> nevermind
[02:20] <podge> madsen: http://nz.sun.com/product-images/large/I1_hw_sunray150_lg.jpg
[02:20] <Seveas> * Funraiser thinks Seveas is very quiet
[02:20] <Seveas> i am at work :)
[02:20] <zhukov> they have to put the cpu in reverse...
[02:20] <zhukov> the all computer is working backwards
[02:20] <podge> madsen: Picked them up for $85 (Australian Dollars)..
[02:20] <madsen> podge: Nice! :)
[02:20] <zhukov> soon enough youll have linux 0.01 :D
[02:20] <madsen> podge: The library in a town where I used to live had like 40 of those. They're pretty nice!
[02:21] <podge> Seveas: Where do you work?
[02:21] <Linforcer> man... I talked to this guy the other day that thought his cpu was like his whole case with contents as oppossed to his processor
[02:21] <zhukov> you can also try aDesklets
[02:21] <zhukov> it is available as an autopackage
[02:21] <zhukov> better bars and so on
[02:21] <zhukov> :)
[02:21] <podge> madsen: I have a few around the house.. so I have Internet/Music roaming with my smart card..
[02:22] <Seveas> podge, University of Amsterdam
[02:22] <luminerd> so many people here, someone must have configured a wacom?
[02:22] <Funraiser> what's a wacom lol?
[02:22] <madsen> podge: Hehe, neat!
[02:22] <Seveas> Funraiser, a tablet
[02:22] <luminerd> Funraiser, a tablet that lets you draw on a little pad and it goes into the comp
[02:22] <madsen> luminerd: I have!
[02:22] <podge> Seveas: What do you do there?
[02:22] <madsen> luminerd: The Volito.
[02:22] <luminerd> madsen, sweet :) I have a volito!!!
[02:23] <Seveas> podge, programming, research, system administration...
[02:23] <luminerd> madsen, do you have a bit of time?
[02:23] <madsen> luminerd: What's the problem? :)
[02:23] <luminerd> madsen, I just can't get it to work!  what kernel btw?
[02:23] <zhukov> welll
[02:23] <zhukov> im of nopw
[02:23] <zhukov> gonna eat and see my princess
[02:23] <podge> Seveas: Cool.. Sounds like my job minus the research..
[02:23] <zhukov> enough ubuntu for now
[02:23] <madsen> luminerd: I used kernel 2.6.11 on debian
[02:24] <podge> zhukov: Was that the girl in the photos?
[02:24] <zhukov> bye!!
[02:24] <zhukov> yup :)
[02:24] <luminerd> madsen, I don't really understand the linuxwacom.sf.net docs...they make little sense to me, I'm really a n00b!  and someone walked me through everything when I was on 2.4...couldn't get it to work :(...now I'm on 2.6 and I just can't understand a bit of the docs. not sure whether to start over, assess where I'm at, or what
[02:24] <podge> zhukov: Daughter or girlfriend? Hard to tell..
[02:24] <zhukov> loool
[02:24] <luminerd> madsen, I'm <IP_ADDRESS> on Slackware XD
[02:24] <zhukov> girlfriend
[02:24] <erb> hello
[02:24] <podge> zhukov: The screenshots were pretty small..
[02:24] <zhukov> im still young :)
[02:24] <zhukov> just a kid
[02:25] <luminerd> madsen, ironic that though we're in #ubuntu we are both non-ubuntu distros XD
[02:25] <madsen> zhukov: http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/xshots <- There
[02:25] <podge> zhukov: haha.. have fun..
[02:25] <madsen> luminerd: I installed Ubuntu yesterday. :)
[02:25] <luminerd> madsen, ah, I see
[02:25] <podge> luminerd: We are just interesting people .. :)
[02:25] <luminerd> lol
[02:25] <Funraiser> all right i'm off too, SUL
[02:25] <zhukov> madsen, thanks
[02:25] <iluciv> ok why would I have opengl direct rendering but no 3d acceleration (this is point2play/cadgera test btw) on a radeon 9250 horay
[02:25] <zhukov> you're all grown up... :D
[02:25] <madsen> zhukov: np. :) Take a look at the videos, they're pretty cool. :)
[02:25] <zhukov> im probbly the youngest here
[02:26] <podge> wobbly windows..
[02:27] <cpop> hello, i'm considering switching to ubuntu for a desktop system, have a few questions
[02:27] <zhukov> but this a new desktop manager or add-ons for gnome?
[02:27] <cpop> i understand it's based on debian, right?
[02:27] <hornsby_> cpop, go ahead
[02:27] <Seveas> cpop, right
[02:27] <cpop> i'm most interested in the update system
[02:27] <hornsby_> cpop, true
[02:27] <reka> cpop: ask away.
[02:27] <Seveas> cpop, same apt system as debian :)
[02:28] <melanoma> rc-hispano.org
[02:28] <cpop> i used debian testing on some server systems and i liked the whole apt deal
[02:28] <Seveas> including a GUI client
[02:28] <cpop> apt-get upgrade, apt-get update, done.
[02:28] <cpop> so same thing works on ubuntu, i take it
[02:28] <Seveas> cpop, other way around :)
[02:28] <hornsby_> cpop, same
[02:28] <cpop> well ok.
[02:28] <Seveas> apt-get update; apt-get upgrade
[02:28] <hornsby_> sudo  in front :)
[02:28] <Seveas> but yeah, Ubuntu uses apt too
[02:29] <cpop> what debian does ubuntu use? testing, unstable, stable?
[02:29] <cpop> or can you customize it just like debian?
[02:29] <hornsby_> cpop, you can if you know what you do
[02:29] <Seveas> cpop, ubuntu is based on sid (unstable) and can be customized to whatever you want basically
[02:29] <kristoffe> im trying to make an raid array from 2x partitions i have, sda1/sdb1, they are both linux raid autodetect types, but when i try to do mkraid /dev/md0 i get cannot determine md version: no MD device file in /dev. , i try to do a MAKEDEV md but it isnt working
[02:29] <AnguS> i thought it was based on sarge...
[02:30] <cpop> can it use debian mirrors or does it need ubuntu specific mirrors?
[02:30] <kristoffe> i dont have the md in /dev, and cant create it
[02:30] <Seveas> AnguS, it is not
[02:30] <delire> out of interest.. anyone here know of a blog/site detailing a migration from OSX to Ubuntu? a friend that uses OSX is switching and asked for some reference material.
[02:30] <Seveas> cpop, right now yu should not use debian mirrors
[02:30] <hornsby_> cpop, you can use debian mirror, again if you know what you do :)
[02:30] <AnguS> i feel a little unconfortable now ahha
[02:30] <Seveas> cpop, and morevover: all debian stuff is also in ubuntu mirrors
[02:30] <cpop> so what's the diff between debian and ubuntu? i gather it's more than just an installer and a desktop theme
[02:31] <cpop> new software, perhaps?
[02:31] <Seveas> cpop, from the next version on you can use mirrors for debian stable again
[02:31] <podge> madsen: Those wobbly windows are pretty cool!
[02:31] <tweakism_> Is it OK to and how do I install the kernel package from breezy on my hoary system?
[02:31] <delire> cpop: sensible defaults to the ends of desktop use.
[02:31] <Seveas> cpop, see www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship for all the info
[02:31] <madsen> podge: Yeah. :)
[02:31] <AnguS> cpop: it's the release process... ubuntu releases about every 6 months, and yes the customize the desktop a bit etc... but all in all it's just debian packages
[02:31] <Seveas> tweakism_, it is not ok
[02:31] <tweakism_> Seveas: :/  Why not?
[02:31] <cpop> can an ubuntu system once installed be updated solely via apt?
[02:32] <AnguS> yes
[02:32] <delire> yes
[02:32] <d3bian> ytes
[02:32] <NicP> yes
[02:32] <NicP> :D
[02:32] <d3bian> si
[02:32] <Seveas> tweakism_, well, basically it can (and will) break stuff...
[02:32] <cpop> that's one of the strong points i think
[02:32] <d3bian> u can upgrade all linux systems from apt or yum
[02:32] <d3bian> in freebsd from ports
[02:33] <d3bian> as well as gentoo
[02:33] <Seveas> d3bian, hmm, yum and upgrading
[02:33] <Seveas> lol!
[02:33] <Seveas> breakage galore...
[02:33] <d3bian> yes!! u can upgrade fedora thru yum
[02:33] <podge> madsen: So what do I need to have the wobbly windows on Ubuntu? :)
[02:33] <delire> eww fedora
[02:33] <d3bian> be advised yum is an rpm version of apt
[02:33] <Seveas> d3bian, not if you don't want to ruin your system :)
[02:33] <tweakism_> Seveas: Ok...  I could compile my own kernel, and that would work.  What exactly does Ubuntu do to warty kernels to break them on hoary?
[02:33] <madsen> podge: Hehe, I have absolutely no clue. :)
[02:33] <Seveas> d3bian, i know, rpms simply aren't good enough for this...
[02:33] <cpop> thanx for the help
[02:33] <kkanto> someone know gdesklets
[02:34] <kkanto> ?????
[02:34] <d3bian> no all the desktops that run on my servers run fedora and ive upgrade them all thru yum
[02:34] <madsen> podge: Perhaps the latest CVS version of Xorg and some patches for it and an insane gfx card. ;)
[02:34] <kkanto> I have the problem
[02:34] <Seveas> kkanto, asking specific questions helps better...
[02:34] <d3bian> what makes u think that seveas
[02:34] <Seveas> d3bian, my experience with fedora crap.
[02:34] <zhukov> hey look
[02:34] <d3bian> im a debian freak but the good guys @ duke created a good tech
[02:34] <zhukov> so it is possible to make this work in ubuntu? :D
[02:34] <zhukov> lets do it
[02:35] <d3bian> well that maybe ur ecperience, mines have been wonderful
[02:35] <Seveas> d3bian, well, you were lucky then...
[02:35] <d3bian> no not really fedora is a good distro
[02:35] <zhukov> he made it wth and extremly shitty card :) i know it because i have one :D
[02:35] <kkanto> My gdesklets daemon failled "vivible property"
[02:35] <d3bian> unfortunately i dont use it but it works for all the users in my network
[02:35] <podge> madsen: Good point!
[02:36] <hornsby_> question : how do you guys based a good or bad distro on ?
[02:36] <madsen> podge: :)
[02:36] <Seveas> d3bian, hmm, fedora a good distro, you are either insane or a troll...
[02:36] <Seveas> hornsby_, sensible defaults, available software, upgrading system, release schedule, policy for including software...
[02:36] <podge> madsen: What do you think of the Sun Looking Glass interface?
[02:37] <d3bian> no u r the insane one just cause ur experience mightve been bad that doesnt mean its bad for the whole world
[02:37] <madsen> podge: Looks pretty nice, but a bit over the top for me. :)
[02:37] <d3bian> what distro do u use let me guess ubuntu
[02:37] <zhukov> im gonna make it... lalalalalalala
[02:37] <hornsby_> Seveas, then fedora suck :) only ubuntu rock
[02:37] <d3bian> where is all configed for you
[02:37] <Seveas> d3bian, it's not just *my* experience....
[02:37] <Shorty--> sifnt fedora suck
[02:37] <Shorty--> :P
[02:37] <Seveas> 100's of peoples experience actually...
[02:37] <xurra> hi all
[02:37] <d3bian> sure buddy
[02:38] <d3bian> hey just check how many fedora users are out there
[02:38] <xurra> i need some help please
[02:38] <d3bian> sup xurra what ur problem
[02:38] <Seveas> xurra, just state the problem/question please
[02:38] <podge> madsen: I loaded it up on SUSE a while ago.. it was cool.. but limited..
[02:38] <xurra> sorry...it'll have to be later
[02:38] <Linforcer> d3bian: Dude... nice English.
[02:39] <Seveas> d3bian, hmm, if you say usercount says all: look how many people use windows....
[02:39] <kafeine> d3bian, just check how many windows users are out there
[02:39] <Linforcer> Haha.
[02:39] <kafeine> Seveas :)
[02:39] <madsen> podge: Didn't it require your first born and an evil gfx card?
[02:39] <podge> madsen: It ran okay on my GeForce 2 GTS..
[02:39] <d3bian> so , whats the problem with that , so are u sayin that win is a bad os?
[02:39] <Linforcer> d3bian: yes
[02:39] <Linforcer> d3bian: the worst
[02:39] <Seveas> d3bian, please stop trolling, this is a help channel, not an advocacy channel...
[02:40] <hornsby_> lets say it is just a matter of taste weither you like or not a distro
[02:40] <Seveas> and yes, i think windows is bad for many reasons
[02:40] <d3bian> if u do then obviously u r either a brainwashed 17 yr old that have not been involved with computers at all
[02:40] <Linforcer> d3bian: and if you troll at least spell "you" and "your"
[02:40] <Seveas> d3bian, please speak proper english...
[02:40] <madsen> podge: Really! I'll have to try it out some time. :)
[02:40] <d3bian> dont worry bout it u understand what im sayin
[02:40] <kafeine> d3bian, you seem to be the brainwashed 17... err... 12 years old
[02:40] <d3bian> im not wastin my time correctin myself
[02:41] <d3bian> in case u forgot ubuntu looks very much like win
[02:41] <Seveas> there
[02:41] <kafeine> sweet:)
[02:41] <Linforcer> ^^
[02:41] <Linforcer> good
[02:41] <deco> hurray \o/
[02:41] <Seveas> no trolling allowed in here, let's get back to helping people
[02:41] <delire> d3bian: ubuntu is more popular than fedora in distrowatch.org at least (if that's any indication).
[02:42] <deco> it doesn't matter if it's popular or not
[02:42] <hornsby_> d3bian, there are some times when one has to know when to stop trolling
[02:42] <Seveas> delire, distrowatch gives an indication of the hype-factor of a distro :)
[02:42] <delire> Seveas: certainly does
[02:42] <haller> can i start gnome using ssh? can i login to gdm using ssh?
[02:42] <Linforcer> Seriously, since when did linux start getting used by people who say "ur"
[02:42] <Seveas> but it's nice to lead it though
[02:43] <dos000> anyone know why i am getting unmet dependencies for mozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb when i do dist-upgrade ? i just installed a clean hoary on this system yesterday.
[02:43] <delire> Seveas: Mepis is certainly up there in the hype of late. a fine distro also.
[02:43] <Seveas> haller, you should look at xdmcp or freenx
[02:43] <Seveas> dos000, can you paste the error on pastebin.kaarsemaker.net please
[02:43] <zhukov> this is a pointless discussion
[02:43] <Seveas> dos000, paste your sources.list too
[02:43] <zhukov> and sincerly i'va had enough of this type of discussion
[02:43] <zhukov> c u later
[02:44] <Seveas> hmm, the discussion ended already :)
[02:44] <Linforcer> xD=
[02:44] <Linforcer> Seveas: it must've felt good :P
[02:44] <Seveas> Linforcer, what..?
[02:44] <hornsby_> dos000, paste in flood
[02:44] <hornsby_> #flood
[02:44] <Linforcer> Seveas: Mode #ubuntu +q d3bian!*@* by Seveas
[02:45] <Seveas> no not really, I dont like muting people.
[02:45] <Linforcer> hm
[02:45] <Seveas> But pointless trolling is too disturbing for a help channel
[02:45] <Linforcer> m'kay
[02:45] <delire> a point there though, in-fighting between linux distro's is silly. especially given nasties out there like OSX and windows really ought to be the target.
[02:45] <Linforcer> heh #ubuntu-trolls :P
[02:46] <Seveas> delire, not even that, and certainly not in here
[02:46] <delire> yes, sure
[02:46] <Seveas> windows and osx have their strong points too
[02:46] <pmjdebruijn> Well OS X anyway...
[02:46] <Linforcer> xDI
[02:46] <dos000> Seveas, hornsby_ http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/68
[02:46] <Linforcer> pmjdebruijn: mij thoughts
[02:46] <Seveas> dos000, ahm you are using the us mirror
[02:47] <Seveas> dos000, that mirror is broken
[02:47] <Seveas> dos000: To switch to a working mirror type the following:  sudo sed -e 's/us.archive/archive/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update
[02:47] <pmjdebruijn> Windows and Strong Points don't go well in the same sentance...
[02:47] <hornsby_> dos000, Seveas said everything :)
[02:47] <delire> pmjdebruijn: OT but having tried OSX I found i dislike it nearly as much as win32.
[02:48] <hornsby_> dos000, I would also uncomment the universe rep.
[02:48] <pmjdebruijn> delire: hmmm but it still has some strong points...
[02:48] <delire> pmjdebruijn: some yes
[02:49] <dos000> Seveas, i still get the same error . i also did the update.
[02:49] <pmjdebruijn> delire: i mean i still have nightmares about the '95 / '98 days... when sysadmins still needed to wair platemail...
[02:49] <Seveas> dos000, hmm, can you try: apt-get install mozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb
[02:50] <delire> pmjdebruijn: win98 was the last win32 OS i really used, so i'm very out of touch with what the company offers now.
[02:50] <dos000> Seveas, it depens on thesaurus !
[02:50] <Seveas> dos000, on both
[02:51] <hornsby_> dos000, apt-get install openoffice.org-thesaurus-en-us
[02:51] <Seveas> dos000, but generally, when you try to install a dependency that cannot be installed you get a more helpful error message
[02:51] <hornsby_> dos000, have you uncomment the rep universe ?
[02:51] <dos000> openoffice.org-thesaurus-en-us depends on  mozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb  ... looks like there is a cyclic dependency here !
[02:51] <pmjdebruijn> delire: well Windows 2000 / XP aren't *that* bad... especially 2k was nice and stable...
[02:51] <delire> pmjdebruijn: right.
[02:52] <delire> dos000: you did apt-get update first?
[02:52] <dos000> hornsby_, i am trying to avoid universe
[02:52] <dos000> delire, yes
[02:52] <Seveas> dos000, apt can handle cyclic dependencies
[02:52] <Seveas> dos000, have you removed openoffice.org?
[02:53] <delire> dos000: note you can apt-get install two or more packages at the same time. this can sometimes resolve dependencies not satisfied by apt automagically.
[02:53] <dos000> Seveas, not yet .. i can do that tho. as i said this a fresh install.
[02:53] <Seveas> dos000, well, you should *not* remove it, i was just checking
[02:53] <Seveas> dos000, hmm, can you try: apt-get install mozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb openoffice-thesaurus-en-us
[02:54] <hornsby_> try to apt-get install openoffice.org-thesaurus-en-us mozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb
[02:54] <hornsby_> :D
[02:54] <Seveas> hornsby_, beat ya :p
[02:54] <dos000> Seveas, i tried install both on cmd line .. and .. it looks like it works !
[02:54] <delire> dos000: as i said, this is often a good thing to try before harsher methods
[02:54] <hornsby_> Seveas, great minds ... :)
[02:54] <eruin> I'm trolling d3bian in a pm :P
[02:54] <Seveas> dos000, nice, and now try to install the language-support package again :)
[02:54] <eruin> it's great fun
[02:54] <eruin> ;>
[02:55] <Phreakazoid> hornsby_, your nickname is a suburb near me.. how odd
[02:55] <Seveas> eruin, don't. Or at least keep it to yourself...
[02:55] <delire> eruin: you know what they say about trolls and feeding.
[02:55] <hornsby_> Phreakazoid, it is not my nick, it is my name :9
[02:55] <Phreakazoid> yeah?
[02:55] <hornsby_> yep
[02:55] <Phreakazoid> well there is a place named after you then
[02:55] <dos000> Seveas, i get "language-support-en is already the newest version"
[02:55] <hornsby_> hehe :)
[02:56] <Phreakazoid> except the place Hornsby here was named after someone called "Horne"
[02:56] <Seveas> dos000, well, then you're done :)
[02:56] <hornsby_> Phreakazoid,  thanks for the info :)
[02:56] <dos000> Seveas, thanks !
[02:56] <hornsby_> Phreakazoid, where is that place ?
[02:56] <jind_> How can I get apt-get to ignore missing / faulty MD5Sums?
[02:57] <Seveas> jind_, by using a correct server
[02:57] <Phreakazoid> hornsby_, its a suburb of Sydney, Australia
[02:57] <hornsby_> nice :)
[02:57] <Seveas> the us.archive server is faulty
[02:57] <Seveas> jind_, and you really really really shouldn't ignore md5sum mismatches, they're there for a very good reason...
[02:57] <hornsby_> jind_, sudo sed -e 's/us.archive/archive/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update
[02:58] <Seveas> hornsby_, copycat :p
[02:58] <hornsby_> :P
[02:58] <jind_> I know. But in this case it's just some unofficial repos
[02:58] <hornsby_> info as fast as possible :)
[02:58] <hornsby_> Seveas, sorry :P
[02:58] <Seveas> jind_, marillat?
[02:59] <jind_> hornsby_, what does that mean?
[02:59] <jind_> What does it do?
[02:59] <Seveas> you should not use that anyway..
[02:59] <Seveas> jind_, but manually downloading and installing the .debs can help you
[02:59] <jind_> I installed the repos from www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:59] <Seveas> jind_, ubuntuguide is bad
[02:59] <jind_> Hm, alright
[02:59] <Seveas> and should not be used
[03:00] <delire> jind_: s/something/newthing is a substitution. the UNIX program sed performs this using the command above on the file sources.list which contains a list of package repositories for use by apt.
[03:00] <CruNcher> hi got a question http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/software/sources-ui.png <- is this allready available ?
[03:00] <jind_> Alright. Do you have a alternative page to get good repos?
[03:01] <Seveas> CruNcher, looks like the synaptic dialog for editing repositories...
[03:01] <Seveas> jind_, all official Ubuntu repositories are listed at http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/38
[03:01] <delire> the ubuntuguide should be updated to include this
[03:02] <Seveas> the Ubuntuguide person doesn't cooperate with others
[03:02] <jind_> thanks a lot. I didn't know ubuntuguide.org is bad. But I have had a some problems with missing dependencies and such from there
[03:02] <haller> XDMCP is too much for me.. can i start a gnome session per bash with ssh?
[03:02] <jind_> I'll take a look at that last link
[03:02] <mjr> haller, yes, just run gnome-session
[03:03] <delire> Seveas: it should be a wiki
[03:03] <delire> s/wiki/"public wiki"
[03:03] <Seveas> delire, indeed
[03:04] <CruNcher> Seveas thx
[03:05] <CruNcher> useing Kubuntu thats why i didn't realized it it seems ;P
[03:05] <delire> hehe yes. does Kubuntu have 'KPackage'?
[03:06] <BurgerMann> does anyone know a consoleprog that scales jpegs fast and efficient?.. this digital camera age kills me when I have to scale photos :s
[03:06] <Seveas> delire, yes
[03:06] <Seveas> BurgerMann, convert
[03:06] <Seveas> part of imagemagick
[03:06] <delire> BurgerMann: ImageMagick
[03:06] <Seveas> BurgerMann, i used that to convert 100's of photos in one command
[03:06] <BurgerMann> Oh... I'll have a look.. thx =)
[03:06] <BurgerMann> Seveas, sweeet!
[03:07] <delire> BurgerMann: convert, display and others are part of the IM set of tools.
[03:07] <delire> .. all fantastic
[03:07] <Seveas> indeed
[03:07] <Seveas> ImageMagick rocks
[03:07] <delire> truly.
[03:07] <Efwis> question, what is a good choice for a fax program for Ubuntu?
[03:08] <delire> Efwis: apt-cache search fax gnome
[03:09] <delire> ok, just drop the 'gnome' ;)
[03:09] <Efwis> I did that, there are 2 listed efax and hylafax
[03:09] <delire> apt-cache show efax
[03:09] <bigfoot1> can anyone tell me how to use a perl (.pl) script? I want to import my firefox bookmarks to del.icio.us
[03:09] <bigfoot1> http://www.hybernaut.com/bdv/delicious-import.html
[03:10] <Seveas> bigfoot1, perl -w filename.pl
[03:10] <delire> perl script.pl?
[03:10] <bigfoot1> delire, Seveas thank you.
[03:10] <delire> yes, the -w switch
[03:10] <Seveas> ALWAYS use the -w switch
[03:10] <delire> yes, wise.
[03:10] <bigfoot1> what's -w?
[03:11] <delire> Efwis: if you don't mind using KDE applications, check out kfax
[03:11] <Seveas> bigfoot1, it will generate warnings when the perl programmer does icky stuff
[03:11] <bigfoot1> and this script requires "requires XML::LibXML (tested with 1.56) and HTML::Parser (tested with 3.26)." where do i get these? Do i already have these?
[03:11] <Seveas> apart from using perl, which is icky by definition :)
[03:11] <delire> hehe, rise Python, Lord of Snakes
[03:12] <Efwis> will it work with gnome?? i didn't think that would work on it
[03:12] <bigfoot1> where do i get the two pre-requisites?
[03:12] <Seveas> bigfoot1, aptitude install libxml-libxml-perl
[03:12] <bigfoot1> efwis, are you talking about this delicious script?
[03:12] <chrissturm> hey, how can i configure xchat to automatically identify with nickserv? :)
[03:12] <Efwis> norm_, i'm talking fax
[03:12] <bigfoot1> Seveas, delire why is perl icky?
[03:12] <Seveas> chrissturm, see the xchat docs :)
[03:12] <bigfoot1> why do yo think so, anyway?
[03:12] <Efwis> damn auto-complete
[03:12] <ryan_> hi,all
[03:13] <mhz> #join squirrelmail
[03:13] <Seveas> bigfoot1, aptitude install libhtml-parser-perl
[03:13] <chrissturm> seveas: any more concrete hint?
[03:13] <delire> bigfoot1: it's not very human readable and uses many 'magic' characters that can get you into a real jam when using inside other programming contexts, like other scripts.
[03:13] <bigfoot1> how did you know the exact filenames? have you installed them yourself?
[03:13] <Seveas> chrissturm, menu x-chat -> server list
[03:14] <Seveas> pick a server
[03:14] <Seveas> choose edit server
[03:14] <Seveas> and put ns identify YOUR_PASSWORD in the connect command box
[03:14] <bigfoot1> interesting i ran "aptitude install libxml-libxml-perl" without the sudo. i thought i would have needed to do sudo with it.
[03:14] <bigfoot1> oh right. the error message was at the end.
[03:14] <bigfoot1> 8)
[03:14] <delire> hehe
[03:14] <mhz> bigfoot1, :)
[03:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> has anyone got the backports mirrors working?
[03:14] <Seveas> bigfoot1, apt-cache search libxml | grep perl :)
[03:15] <bigfoot1> Seveas, The following packages are not AUTHENTICATED:
[03:15] <bigfoot1>   libxml-libxml-common-perl libxml-namespacesupport-perl libxml-libxml-perl
[03:15] <bigfoot1>   libxml-sax-perl
[03:15] <bigfoot1> . is this ok?
[03:15] <Seveas> bigfoot1, what delire said. Plus perl uses really weird things like () not being mandatory etc...
[03:15] <Seveas> bigfoot1, no
[03:15] <chrissturm> wohoo
[03:15] <bigfoot1> it needs to be authenticated?
[03:15] <Seveas> bigfoot1, stop using backports/other non-offical repos :)
[03:15] <bigfoot1> Seveas,  i just ran the command you gave me.
[03:15] <chrissturm> i just had to enter my password into the nickserv password field :)
[03:16] <bigfoot1> isn't authentication just like those certificates that pop up when browsing the web?
[03:16] <Seveas> bigfoot1, if you use the official repositories, you will not get this error
[03:16] <bigfoot1> so are these 2 files absent from the official repo's?
[03:17] <Seveas> bigfoot1, no
[03:17] <delire> i doubt it
[03:17] <chrissturm> i have an ati 9700 with fglrx drivers, how can i use tv out? i would like to watch a movie on tvout while having my desktop on my primary monitor. is that possible?
[03:17] <bigfoot1> Seveas, do you use some sort of online bookmark manager? what do you recommend?
[03:17] <Seveas> i only use official repos and could find them :)
[03:17] <bigfoot1> have you heard of del.icio.us?
[03:17] <chrissturm> del.icio.us is great!
[03:17] <bigfoot1> could find what?
[03:17] <Seveas> bigfoot1, i use no online bookmark manager
[03:17] <bigfoot1> chrissturm, how do you import your firefox bookmarks into it?
[03:17] <delire> chrissturm: see the option "NoTV" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:17] <Seveas> i only use official repos and could find them :) <-- the 2 packages you asked about
[03:18] <bigfoot1> oh, so you did find them in the official repos. then why did i get the error?
[03:18] <delire> chrissturm: you might also want to consider backing up your xorg.conf and generating the file using fglrxconfig
[03:18] <delire> chrissturm: this process will supply you with an option to define TV out settings.
[03:18] <chrissturm> delire: and what player do i use then?
[03:18] <Seveas> bigfoot1, because you use non-official repositories...
[03:18] <bigfoot1> huh? really?
[03:18] <bigfoot1> I have the official ones on.
[03:19] <Seveas> bigfoot1, i cannot see another option...
[03:19] <bigfoot1> okay, let me check synaptic.
[03:19] <Seveas> bigfoot1, can you paste your sources.list on pastebin.kaarsemaker.net
[03:19] <delire> chrissturm: you mean video player? all should be fine.
[03:19] <bigfoot1> Seveas, how do i get the sources.list?
[03:19] <Seveas> bigfoot1, gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:20] <chrissturm> delire: thx
[03:20] <delire> chrissturm: np
[03:20] <bigfoot1> Seveas, http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/69
[03:21] <mz2> how do i make dmix work with polypaudio?
[03:21] <chrissturm> i think breezy is going to be a rocking release
[03:21] <mz2> seems to work fine with all apps that use the alsa interface
[03:21] <haller> mjr: gnome-session says "(gnome-session:7354): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:"
[03:21] <delire> chrissturm: sure looks to be, with the Summer of Code bounties.
[03:21] <CruNcher> Kpackage doesn't accepts my root password
[03:22] <delire> mz2: that's one for crimsun
[03:22] <Seveas> bigfoot1, your sources.list is f*ed up massively :)
[03:22] <delire> CruNcher: odd.
[03:22] <bigfoot1> what's wrong, Seveas ?
[03:22] <mjr> haller, you don't have the X display set correctly, possibly because ssh's X forwarding isn't enabled (ssh -X)
[03:22] <bigfoot1> Seveas, how do i fix it?
[03:22] <Seveas> bigfoot1, use the one at pastebin.kaarsemaker.net 38 and add the java repository to it
[03:22] <Seveas> ow and massively is overexxagerated :)
[03:23] <mz2> oh right, i think i got it now
[03:23] <CruNcher> yeah with kynaptic it works
[03:23] <reka> a little off-topic but: does sarge have the quirks hoary seems to have? (low default res, sound problems)
[03:23] <haller> mir: i am on a windows box here. is X forwarding an issue. or do i need x11 as a client for that?
[03:23] <CruNcher> but with kpackage it doesn't :(
[03:24] <Seveas> haller, you really should look into freenx
[03:24] <bigfoot1> seveas, okay, i've copied it. do i just paste it into the sources.list? erasing my current list?
[03:24] <CruNcher> bug ?
[03:24] <Seveas> bigfoot1, yes
[03:24] <Seveas> bigfoot1, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:24] <Seveas> otherwise you cannot save it :)
[03:24] <bigfoot1> Seveas, and how do i add the java repository, as you said?
[03:24] <Seveas> add this line: deb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ hoary java
[03:25] <delire> CruNcher: i have no idea why that would happen.
[03:25] <CruNcher> it say su authentification failed
[03:25] <mjr> haller, you need an X server for your windows, and to enable X forwarding from your ssh client
[03:25] <CruNcher> Entschuldigung
[03:25] <CruNcher> lol
[03:25] <haller> ok
[03:25] <haller> thx
[03:25] <bigfoot1> Seveas, that's strange. another gedit window popped up. it didn't use my old window. but when i didn't have the sudo command (read-only), it used my old window.
[03:25] <CruNcher> aren't su and sudo different handled on ubuntu ?
[03:26] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> haller: why not use vnc?
[03:26] <Seveas> CruNcher, everywhere, not just on Ubuntu, simply because they are different :)
[03:26] <CruNcher> ok so thats the problem then
[03:26] <CruNcher> :D
[03:26] <bigfoot1> seveas, all right. all done.
[03:26] <Seveas> bigfoot1, nice
[03:26] <CruNcher> it should use sudo for ubuntu hehe
[03:26] <Seveas> now do apt-get update
[03:26] <delire> CruNcher: sudo is defined by the su in a file called /etc/sudoers
[03:26] <Seveas> and retry installing
[03:27] <haller> nalioth_zZzZzZzZ: i want to but cant start gnome / vino from ssh..
[03:27] <bigfoot1> seveas, can i delete the "source" repos?
[03:27] <chrissturm> is there a way to get automount to work with the breezy 2.6.12 kernel?
[03:27] <bigfoot1> Seveas,  I'm not a developer.
[03:27] <delire> s/"sudo is"/"sudo rules are"
[03:27] <nalioth> haller: really? hmm
[03:28] <haller> nalioth: or i dont know how to do it. do you?
[03:28] <delire> bigfoot1: it's no problem to comment out the sources repository
[03:28] <CruNcher> thx delire :)
[03:28] <nalioth> haller: i'm lookin
[03:28] <delire> CruNcher: had me worried ;)
[03:28] <nalioth> haller: you WILL need an xserver of some sort for x-forwarding
[03:28] <Seveas> bigfoot1, yes you can
[03:28] <delire> CruNcher: are you using KDE or Gnome there?
[03:28] <Seveas> but they don't hurt :)
[03:28] <CruNcher> KDE
[03:28] <bigfoot1> comment out? that's not the same as removing them in synaptic, is it?
[03:29] <delire> CruNcher: ahah, then you'll benefit with the integration anyway.
[03:29] <bigfoot1> Seveas, will i ever need the sources repos?
[03:29] <Seveas> bigfoot1, no you won't probably :)
[03:29] <delire> CruNcher: KDE has a very cool suite of integrated administration apps.
[03:29] <bigfoot1> do you need them?
[03:29] <nalioth> bigfoot1: anything in a text file with a # in front of the line, is called "commented out" and is ignored by the programs using that text file
[03:29] <nalioth> bigfoot1: i recommend you comment them out, because you might need them sometime
[03:30] <bigfoot1> nalioth, hello. nice to hear from you again. thank you for  "commenting in". in what kind of circumstances do you think one needs the source repos?
[03:30] <delire> bigfoot1: it's good to get into the habit of commenting out that which you don't need. leave yourself little commented notes (comments) also.
[03:30] <nalioth> bigfoot1: and in any case, they are not doing any harm in the txt file, since they are only used when you ask apt t0 build from source
[03:31] <bigfoot1> when is it necessary to build from source?
[03:31] <nalioth> bigfoot1: there are some binaries (esp on amd64 and ppc arches) not available. so on those platforms, building from deb-src archives gets you a 'home-rolled' ubuntu packaged binary
[03:32] <bigfoot1> nalioth, but if i'm on a x86, then the sources repos are useless?
[03:33] <delire> bigfoot1: barely necessary. having them in there will only slow down your apt-get update time, very slightly.
[03:33] <delire> bigfoot1: but there's no need to take those sources repos out of there altogether
[03:34] <nalioth> bigfoot1: they are probably not gonna be needed by an x86 user, but comment them out for insurance
[03:34] <nalioth> bigfoot1: even uncommented, as i said, they are not used unless you request a source build using apt
[03:35] <bigfoot1> okay.
[03:35] <bigfoot1> i'll put the pound sign in front of them.
[03:36] <ryan_> the default ubuntu can't play mp3?
[03:36] <nalioth> ryan_: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:37] <delire> bigfoot1: is "the pound sign" the same as '#'
[03:37] <nalioth>  delire in the USA, yes
[03:37] <ryan_> thank you nalioth
[03:37] <bigfoot1> yes delire . 8-)
[03:38] <delire> nalioth: ahah, i know little about america :0
[03:38] <nalioth> delire: make one
[03:38] <bigfoot1> I didn't mean the currency symbol. 8-)
[03:38] <delire> nalioth: i have one. perhaps i should submit it.
[03:38] <nalioth> delire: yes, metapackages i would think are not so closely inspected (i mean, what are they but pointers to other pkgs, right?)
[03:39] <delire> nalioth: yes. i have made a few for debian, though am unfamiliar with the ubuntu process, where submission and maintenance is concerned.
[03:40] <delire> nalioth: eg if a package name changes, the metapackage must too. this is where 'maintenance' comes in..
[03:40] <nalioth> delire: you can go to the wiki and sign up to be a dev
[03:40] <nalioth> delire: and you can be the maintainer of the metapkg
[03:40] <delire> nalioth: mayhaps. i want to see where m.shuttleworth goes with breezy first.
[03:40] <delire> nalioth: tempting.
[03:41] <stevegriff> is there a site where I can search what packages are available for ubuntu users?
[03:41] <nalioth> delire: if you are a dev (no matter what sort) you have influence in the direction of breezy (and sinister squirrel, and rowdy rabbit, and so on)
[03:41] <nalioth> stevegriff: packages.ubuntu.com, i believe
[03:41] <stevegriff> thanks nagesh
[03:41] <bigfoot1> stevegriff, what about synaptic?
[03:41] <delire> nalioth: hehe you're joking, they are the forthcoming version names ?
[03:41] <pmjdebruijn> nalioth: meritocrasy?
[03:41] <stevegriff> nalioth even :D
[03:42] <nalioth> delire: i made them up
[03:42] <coulix> is there a fix for the totem error under ati driver ? i have to use mplayer :/
[03:42] <nalioth> pmjdebruijn: whatever works
[03:42] <delire> nalioth: you can go to the wiki and sign up to be a brand-imager ;)
[03:42] <stevegriff> ahhh cool apache2 is there
[03:42] <nalioth> delire: me in marketing?
[03:43] <stevegriff> I'm moving from Gentoo to ubuntu but with my desktop I need some server stuff
[03:43] <wijnand> is there a recommended method to resize a windows (ntfs) partition before installing ubuntu? i'm trying to set it up on a friends machine
[03:43] <delire> nalioth: "sinister squirrel" has an edge, you have to admit.
[03:43] <nalioth> delire: eats other distros nuts
[03:43] <delire> wijnand: do it from windows land AFAIK
[03:43] <delire> nalioth: there you have it. now go forth and market with ferocity.
[03:44] <nalioth> wijnand: use partition magic from windoze, or wipe the system and start clean
[03:44] <stevegriff> does Ubuntu ask you what file format you want your partitions formatted in?
[03:44] <coulix> yes
[03:44] <wijnand> nalioth: PM costs lots of money though, doesn't it?
[03:44] <nalioth> stevegriff: ext3 mostly
[03:44] <wijnand> nalioth: starting over is never a bad idea for windos though ;)
[03:44] <nalioth> wijnand: yes it is a commercial product
[03:44] <wijnand> stevegriff: yup
[03:45] <bigfoot1> is there a way i could remotely (and securely) connect to my home ubuntu PC from a Windows PC at work?
[03:45] <wijnand> stevegriff: ext3 by default but reiserfs and others are available
[03:45] <mjr> wijnand, the free way is "ntfsresize", dunno about reliability though
[03:45] <delire> wijnand: start over, or back up and take the risk (if you can't afford PM).
[03:45] <hornsby> wijnand, the partition manager from ubuntu worked great for me, resized a partition ntfs, moved data ...
[03:45] <nalioth> wijnand: please don't ask me what to do with windoze.. .. (i'll tell ya every time to wave bye-bye)
[03:45] <bigfoot1> i'd like to, for instance, browse my hard drive.
[03:45] <mjr> bigfoot1, ssh; install ssh server and putty for the windows box
[03:45] <nalioth> bigfoot1: vnc over ssh
[03:45] <mjr> (ssh server for the ubu box)
[03:45] <delire> wijnand: what do you use win32 for currently?
[03:45] <wijnand> nalioth: that's my normal strategy too :)
[03:45] <nalioth> wijnand: just keep in mind re hornsby that ntfs writing is still considered 'unstable' under linux
[03:46] <stevegriff> wijnand - thanks. I've used reiserfs for the last couple of years but I'm just wondering if there's better filesystems on the horizon
[03:46] <wijnand> delire: it's a friend who wants to migrate to linux in time... dualboot is the way to begin :)
[03:46] <wijnand> nalioth: yeah i know
[03:46] <hornsby> nalioth, true but it worked well for me few times
[03:46] <mjr> nalioth, ntfs writing and ntfs resizing are somewhat different things though
[03:46] <delire> wijnand: right..
[03:46] <thenuke> bigfoot1: ssh?
[03:47] <thenuke> bigfoot1: if you really cant live without the x-windows then use that VNC
[03:47] <nalioth> wijnand: then clean your friends HD, reinstall winduhs (using fat32 filessystem (for easier file sharing on the box)) and go from there
[03:47] <wijnand> yeah i suppose that's the easiest thing to do
[03:47] <thenuke> bigfoot1: but vnc might need much upload power from your connection
[03:47] <bigfoot1> so on the windows pc at work, i can browse thru my home ubuntu pc via the Network World (or something like that) icon on the windows desktop?
[03:47] <wijnand> i never make just one partition on any harddisk, just to make moving files around easier
[03:47] <nalioth> wijnand: i build/service/etc boxen, and i never install windoze on ntfs
[03:48] <ahal> howdy.. any iptables gurus here, i need to block *.prima.net.ar someone is messing with my server, how do i find out what iprange to block?
[03:48] <thenuke> bigfoot1: with 800x600x16 it took about 600Kb/sec
[03:48] <wijnand> ok well thanks everyone, i'll get to work on it :D
[03:48] <nalioth> bigfoot1: not so simple, (cuz windoze doesnt allow simplicity) but yes you can log in and browse from work
[03:48] <spiderworm> those dame argentines, always messing with other people's boxes
[03:48] <bigfoot1> oh i see, you mean that using VNC will make the remote computer act as if you are stantding in front of the faraway computer, right?
[03:49] <pfp> ahal: use 'whois i.p.add.ress' (not IRC /whois :)
[03:49] <nalioth> ahal: at a terminal type "host whatever.prima.net.ar" and you should get a dns number
[03:49] <delire> ahal: i'd use nslookup
[03:49] <nalioth> bigfoot1: yes
[03:49] <ahal> whois prima.net.ar
[03:49] <ahal> This TLD has no whois server, but you can access the whois database at
[03:49] <ahal> http://www.nic.ar/
[03:50] <jasoncohen> is there a list of packages not available in the amd64 port of hoary? I noticed that flashplayer and mplayer aren't
[03:50] <ahal> ill try that then :)
[03:50] <bigfoot1> ahal, how did you know that someone is messing with your server? what do you mean by "my server"? you running a website or something?
[03:50] <ahal> yepp webserver logs... upto 500M traffick a day
[03:51] <ahal> 500M should amount to the whole months traffick
[03:51] <bigfoot1> what was he doing then?
[03:51] <mindspin> ahal did you have a look at /var/log/auth.log ?
[03:51] <pfp> ahal: using the whois command w/ raw IP address might get you a usable IP range
[03:51] <bigfoot1> maybe he was doing some offline browsing by downloading your whole website, ahal ?
[03:51] <xam0x> How do I get DVD's to play with the latest release? I have libdvd installed but it's still complaining that I don't have Decryption support on xine, totem, etc.
[03:52] <bigfoot1> if not, why then would he get 500M from your server?
[03:52] <jasoncohen> xam0x, you have libdvdcss2 installed?
[03:52] <delire> xam0x libdvdcss
[03:52] <nalioth> bigfoot1: there are programs that monitor your network and can tell you if anyone is trying to access your box
[03:52] <ahal> repeated requests.. and i dont have a total of 500M stuff there
[03:52] <bigfoot1> by access, nalioth, do you mean "hacking"?
[03:52] <nalioth> xam0x: libdvdcss
[03:52] <xam0x> nope, thx
[03:52] <bigfoot1> is there anything wrong with accessing? don't we all access boxes when we go to any website?
[03:53] <islander> Does anybody knows where can I get Alienware themes for linux
[03:53] <nalioth> bigfoot1: yes i mean 'cracking'
[03:53] <xam0x> Where is a package for that
[03:53] <delire> ahal i use 'watch -d netstat -tupa'
[03:53] <bigfoot1> what is to crack?
[03:53] <bigfoot1> does ahal have some credit card numbers on his box or something?
[03:53] <nalioth> bigfoot1: nothing wrong with legitimate access, but probing for holes/older unpatched software, etc, is not cool
[03:53] <nalioth> xam0x: universe or multiverse
[03:53] <delire> bigfoot1: 'cracking' relates to the breaking or decoding of keys used in a digital security context.
[03:54] <bigfoot1> you mean someone can find out about your holes?
[03:54] <lessshaste> If you go to http://www.apple.com/itunes/store/ and click on one of today's top songs does it work for anybody here?
[03:54] <nalioth> bigfoot1: would you want your box to be operated by someone else?
[03:54] <ahal> bigfoot1: just some fucking recipes
[03:54] <bigfoot1> nalioth, no.
[03:54] <mindspin> check your server with nessus
[03:54] <islander> Hello, fellows, Does anybody knows where can I  get Alienware theme for linux ubuntu
[03:54] <nalioth> bigfoot1: these crackers are looking for unpatched windoze boxen to infect
[03:54] <lessshaste> I get "itms is not a registered protocol"
[03:54] <bigfoot1> ahal, why then would someone want to get those recipes? there are thousands of howto's on sexual intercourse on the net.
[03:55] <mindspin> install chkrootkit or something similiar to have a look wether your machine is "cracked"
[03:55] <bigfoot1> 8-)
[03:55] <nalioth> bigfoot1: and in ahals case, who knows what they're doing
[03:55] <bigfoot1> nalioth, but if ahal's box is ubuntu, it's safe, right?
[03:55] <delire> mindspin ahal i use 'tiger' to detect for rootkits and evidence of other exploits.
[03:55] <delire> bigfoot1: yes, very in the relative scheme of things.
[03:55] <ahal> bigfoot1: i dont care why, i just want to block them as they are clearly fucking with me
[03:56] <jasoncohen> does anyone here use the amd64 port?
[03:56] <optik> i fif.....
[03:56] <delire> ahal if you have a firewall just build a rule. i use shorewall for this.
[03:56] <nalioth> bigfoot1: a default install of ubuntu is considered 'safe', but we don't know what ahal has added/changed
[03:56] <stevegriff> ok, vmware - is there a ubuntu package for this or do I have to install it myself? there's no record of it on packages.ubuntu.com
[03:57] <bigfoot1> nalioth, what changes/additions would make ubuntu less safe?
[03:57] <nalioth> jasoncohen: no, but i might be able to help (don't know pkgs, tho)
[03:57] <mindspin> and what scripts are running, cgi-bin can be harmful
[03:57] <vie> hiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[03:57] <nalioth> ahal: i have a fix for you, give me a minute
[03:57] <optik> did*
[03:57] <optik> but not for long
[03:57] <optik> couldnt stand the lack of packages
[03:57] <ahal> i have my own firewall rules that are safe.. they keep hitting my webserver port 80, with repeated requests leeching my bandwidht
[03:57] <mindspin> inproper apache cconfiguration
[03:57] <mindspin> and the well known php holes
[03:57] <nalioth> bigfoot1: adding insecure pkgs, configuring secure pkgs in an insecure manner
[03:58] <ahal> maybe mod_rewrite could block *.some.net ?
[03:58] <mindspin> drop instead of reject limits traffic too
[03:58] <delire> yes
[03:58] <nalioth> ahal: here is a good article on what you are wantin to know
[03:58] <pfp> i'd block their ip range, doing a reverse dns on _all_ clients would be kinda expensive imo..
[03:58] <nalioth> ahal: http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/05/09/1846213&tid=78&tid=130
[03:59] <jasoncohen> nalioth, i asked in #debian if the performance increase was worth it and i was told it was but it seems the amd64 ports are missing quite a few packages I use often. debian doesn't have OO ported yet, and ubuntu doesn't have mplayer
[03:59] <nalioth> jasoncohen: are you familiar with apt-gets capabilitys?
[03:59] <jasoncohen> yes
[03:59] <thenuke> jasoncohen: uff, if mplayer is not in ubuntus repos, it does not prevent you from adding some extra repos
[03:59] <mindspin> blocking complete ip-ranges can cost you a lot of customers if you running a site for business purposes
[03:59] <nalioth> jasoncohen: unfortunately, you (amd64) and I (ppc) are redheaded stepchildren
[04:00] <thenuke> jasoncohen: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer
[04:00] <nalioth> jasoncohen: mplayer does exist in the ubuntu source repos, and you can have apt build it for you
[04:00] <jasoncohen> yeah, apt-get build dep mplayer ; apt-get -b source mplayer
[04:00] <nalioth> jasoncohen: you will probably have to have apt build several pkgs (cuz binaries don't exist for amd64 and ppc)
[04:00] <nalioth> jasoncohen: you got it
[04:01] <nalioth> jasoncohen: have fun
[04:01] <delire> jasoncohen: apt-get build-dep*
[04:01] <jasoncohen> yeah, my mistake
[04:01] <delire> no biggie ;)
[04:01] <jasoncohen> was trying to fax something at the same time
[04:02] <nalioth> jasoncohen: we know you know what you're doing
[04:02] <nalioth> jasoncohen: but that is the deal, amd64/ppc binarys are not as available as binarys for x86
[04:02] <jasoncohen> i'm just worried that the packages won't build and that's the reason they're not available in the first place. for example, i know debian hasn't included OO because they've had some problems getting clean builds
[04:02] <bob2> wtf
[04:02] <nalioth> jasoncohen: but the pkg does exist in source form
[04:02] <bob2> OO doesn't even build on amd64 at all
[04:03] <delire> jasoncohen they aren't in the native repo's because they contain, or are, non-free software
[04:03] <nalioth> jasoncohen: not at all, i've had to build mplayer  here on my ppc box (along with other things like transcode)
[04:03] <jasoncohen> bob2, http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin//search_packages.pl?version=all&subword=1&exact=&arch=any&releases=all&case=insensitive&keywords=openoffice&searchon=names
[04:03] <bob2> jasoncohen: yes, on amd64 it's a 32-bit binary
[04:03] <jasoncohen> ah, so not pure64
[04:03] <bob2> "pure64" is a silly term
[04:04] <jasoncohen> bob2, do you run the amd64 port of ubuntu? how does it compare performance wise to the i386 version?
[04:05] <jasoncohen> bob2, the debian port describes itself as pure64- so i imagine all their packages are 64 bit binaries?
[04:05] <bob2> no, I don't
[04:05] <bob2> "pure64" is still a silly term
[04:05] <delire> hehe
[04:07] <Choubaka> Hm.
[04:08] <bob2> jasoncohen: basically everything in ubuntu's amd64 port are amd64 binaries
[04:08] <Choubaka> Can't ubuntu autodetect my USB-mass storage digital camera?
[04:08] <bob2> I think OO is the only exception
[04:08] <xurra> hi all...
[04:08] <bob2> Choubaka: it can for thousands of other people
[04:08] <Choubaka> I thought it could, but it apparently isn't.
[04:08] <xurra> I need some help in adding a new printer
[04:08] <Choubaka> bob2: ok. So I need some help with making it work.
[04:08] <Choubaka> bob2: any ideas?
[04:09] <bob2> Choubaka: find out what isn't working
[04:09] <bob2> Choubaka: does dmesg notice it?  does syslog?
[04:09] <Choubaka> the mass storage device is detected, and is shown in dmesg, and is reported as sda
[04:09] <bob2> Choubaka: do other devices work?
[04:09] <bob2> is the card partitioned?
[04:09] <Choubaka> ls /dev/sda* returns "file not found"
[04:09] <Choubaka> yes.
[04:09] <Choubaka> to all of those.
[04:10] <toran> hey guys, do you know of any video players similar to kaffeine that I can use? The latest version of kaffeine is REALLY crashing a lot, and it's driving me nuts
[04:10] <Choubaka> though "other devices" means cdrom and floppy in this case, since I have no other usb peripherals.
[04:10] <Choubaka> Normally I wouldn't even care, because I mount these things manually.
[04:11] <Choubaka> but I'm setting ubuntu to do things automagically now, so my family can operate it on their own.
[04:11] <xurra> can anybody explain me how to add a new printer, please?
[04:11] <Choubaka> xurra: sudo gnome-cups-manager iirc.
[04:11] <bob2> Choubaka: so you have or have not tried other usb devices?
[04:11] <Choubaka> but it seems udev isn't even generating the device file.
[04:11] <Choubaka> bob2: no, since I don't have any.
[04:12] <bob2> xurra: system -> administration -> printers
[04:12] <Choubaka> bob2: but the USB _is_ working, since it's shown in dmesg :/
[04:12] <mhz> xurra, or, adduser cupsys shadow, so you can use http://localhost:631
[04:12] <xurra> i've tried in system>administration>printers, and everything went good, but the printer is not printing at all
[04:13] <Choubaka> Oh, damn, I need food. brb.
[04:13] <mrpull-> -
[04:13] <sky_> hi
[04:14] <GazaM> hi, anybody here have skype working?
[04:14] <Hajuu> Heya
[04:14] <qos> hmmm
[04:14] <sky_> I have skype but on my other computer
[04:15] <toran> hey guys, do you know of any video players similar to kaffeine that I can use? The latest version of kaffeine is REALLY crashing a lot, and it's driving me nuts
[04:15] <GazaM> I never recieved an email confirmation when I registered, did you?
[04:15] <sky_> Yeah I did
[04:15] <albacker> toran : mplayer, xine
[04:15] <GazaM> Toran, VLC is by far my favourite video player
[04:15] <bob2> toran: might be easier if you tell us what you want in a video player
[04:15] <toran> albacker: kaffeine is a frontend to xine
[04:15] <toran> I'm looking for a nice frontend with playlist support, etc.
[04:15] <lleberg_> GazaM, Admint it's only because of the logo ;)
[04:15] <toran> easy access to choosing subtitles/audio channel
[04:15] <lleberg_> ehum, admit*
[04:16] <lessshaste> how can you play this (free to download) music file? http://a1576.phobos.apple.com/Music/y2005/m03/d27/h20/s07.oscpmguv.p.m4p
[04:16] <Hajuu> I installed cedega the other day.. got warcraft 3 running perfectly under it out of the box... But now im trying to install something on a second drive (mounted under /mnt/storage/) but the installer picks up that the / is full and doesnt allow me to install...
[04:16] <GazaM> lol
[04:16] <Hajuu> How do I fix this?
[04:16] <Hajuu> can I go to that drive directly?
[04:16] <nalioth> lessshaste: you need libfaac
[04:16] <delire> lessshaste shouldn't that suffix be *.mp4
[04:17] <chrissturm> is there a plugin for firefox search that searches the ubuntu bugzilla?
[04:17] <nalioth> lessshaste: and probably gstreamer faac plugin
[04:17] <bob2> I don't even think there's a bugzilla plugin for usefully searching bugzilla
[04:18] <islander> Bob2: How are you, I hope that you are doing fine, I would like to know if you know where can I get an Alienware theme for my linux Ubuntu
[04:18] <lessshaste> nalioth, hmm... ok... You don't think I need some special apple stuff then
[04:18] <bob2> I have no idea what "alienware" is
[04:18] <delire> islander: isn't alienware a laptop (re)brand?
[04:18] <GazaM> Alienware is a high-end pc manufacturer
[04:18] <islander> yes
[04:18] <nalioth> lessshaste: libfaac and the plugin will play mp4 and aac files (but not encrypted ones)
[04:18] <GazaM> Enthusiast machines
[04:18] <bob2> don't they make ugly laptops?
[04:18] <lessshaste> delire, apparently not.... it is the itunes extension. Normally drm protected
[04:18] <islander> they have a nice cool modern theme
[04:18] <lessshaste> nalioth, well.. it is a preview so presumably not encryptedf
[04:18] <islander> www.alienware.com
[04:18] <Seveas> <shameless plug> #ubuntu pastebin :) http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ </shameless plug>
[04:18] <delire> GazaM: re-badged Sager notebooks actually ;)
[04:19] <GazaM> not only notebooks
[04:19] <GazaM> I prefer to make my own pc anyway
[04:19] <bob2> oh, awesome, flash on the frontpage
[04:19] <GazaM> I just know what they are, doesn't mean I like them
[04:19] <nalioth> lessshaste: well, that info will get you goin with aac and mp4 files
[04:19] <lessshaste> nalioth, yes but the fourcc is drms
[04:20] <martin_> what's up ppl
[04:20] <thenuke> martin_: sky and the roof,
[04:20] <nalioth> lessshaste: it will play unencrypted stuff, the encrtypted itms files, you'll need a mac
[04:20] <delire> lessshaste: i steer clear of Apple and their nasty ways, no idea how to get around their increasing support of DRM sorry.
[04:20] <martin_> ok... if you say so...
[04:21] <nalioth> delire: you dont?
[04:21] <GazaM> Anybody have a PCI-E ATI card?
[04:21] <martin_> gazam, i wish i had...
[04:21] <martin_> does that count
[04:21] <martin_> ?
[04:21] <delire> nalioth: short of doing what i did with a g4 tower, wipe it..
[04:21] <lessshaste> delire, hymn apparently.. but you need an ipod for that. I just want to listen to the preview :)
[04:21] <lessshaste> nalioth, does it work for you?
[04:22] <delire> lessshaste: right.. perhaps gtkpod people have a solution there.
[04:22] <GazaM> martin_, no you don't
[04:22] <GazaM> I'm finding it impossible to get 3d working
[04:22] <nalioth> lessshaste: i dont discuss those sorts of things in here
[04:22] <lessshaste> nalioth, It is free!
[04:22] <lessshaste> nalioth, I just want to play the preview :)
[04:22] <nalioth> lessshaste: i have some unDRMd mp4s and yes libfaac and gstreamer plugin faac works fine
[04:23] <lessshaste> nalioth, ok thx. gstreamer plugin for what?
[04:23] <nalioth> lessshaste: gstreamer faac plugin and libfaac
[04:23] <lessshaste> nalioth, sorry.. what is the media player?
[04:23] <lessshaste> nalioth, gstreamer?
[04:24] <lessshaste> (I use mplayer)
[04:24] <nalioth> lessshaste: use any media player, gstreamer is the backend of most of em
[04:24] <Choubaka> Hmm.
[04:24] <nalioth> lessshaste: i use rythmbox, and it works great
[04:24] <Choubaka> Good food.
[04:24] <Choubaka> Now, I wonder about that usb issue.
[04:24] <delire> Choubaka: what's up?
[04:26] <lessshaste> nalioth, ok.. working on getting rhythmbox to play it
[04:26] <qos> is there a german ubuntu channel?
[04:26] <lessshaste> nalioth, it doesn't play it for you or does it?
[04:26] <nalioth> qos: ubuntu-de
[04:26] <lessshaste> http://a1576.phobos.apple.com/Music/y2005/m03/d27/h20/s07.oscpmguv.p.m4p
[04:26] <chrissturm> qos: #ubuntu-de
[04:26] <nalioth> lessshaste: my  mp4s play fine (they have no DRM)
[04:26] <lessshaste> nalioth, this should have no drm
[04:26] <lessshaste> nalioth, unless the preview ones do in some weird way
[04:26] <nalioth> lessshaste: the m4p i believe is the drm'd file
[04:27] <mag> hi, any1 got .deb with mplayer for hoary ?
[04:27] <chrissturm> mag: i think its in multiverse
[04:27] <thenuke> mag: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer
[04:28] <lessshaste> nalioth, oh I see. so even though it is free it is still drm'ed ... hmmm
[04:29] <Choubaka> delire: Ah, mhm. Ubuntu is not autodetecting my usb mass storage device.
[04:29] <augmentor> hi all
[04:30] <Seveas> hi augmentor
[04:30] <mindspin> qos I only know #kubuntu-de
[04:30] <funky> hi
[04:30] <augmentor> I tried to install gkismet, and it can't seem to run when i execute me, can someone help me out?
[04:30] <bob2> just use kismet
[04:30] <GazaM> Does anyone know if the sound issues will *definitely* be fixed in breexy
[04:30] <GazaM> *breezy
[04:30] <bob2> define "sound issues
[04:30] <reka> augmentor: help execute you? sure.
[04:30] <bob2> dmix will probably be setup by default, yes
[04:31] <Choubaka> in breezy, the sound architecture will change completely. :P
[04:31] <augmentor> gkismet i mean :)
[04:31] <GazaM> The various sound issues everyone has with ubuntu.
[04:31] <Choubaka> which is good.
[04:31] <bob2> GazaM: there are multiple "issues"
[04:31] <GazaM> They using polypaudio?
[04:31] <bob2> GazaM: driver support can't be magically improved
[04:31] <mindspin> I had no sound issues
[04:31] <augmentor> can anyone help?
[04:31] <bob2> other things can
[04:31] <GazaM> bob2, I didn't say magically
[04:31] <bob2> augmentor: you need to be less vague when explaining your problem, or you just use kismet
[04:31] <augmentor> I tried isntalling it with the make install command and everything seemed to go fine
[04:31] <GazaM> I mean bad support for software mixing etc.
[04:32] <Choubaka> bob2: anyway, any ideas as to why udev is not creating a device file for the mass storage device?
[04:32] <augmentor> bob2, okay, i'll paste the output at pastebin.org
[04:32] <mag> hmm i'm not on this, what is multiverse ?!
[04:32] <bob2> GazaM: dmix will hopefully work by default n breezy
[04:32] <bob2> mag: unsupport, non-free software
[04:32] <GazaM> thank you
[04:32] <GazaM> Also...
[04:32] <mag> oh thx
[04:32] <chrissturm> the new clearlooks theme that appeared in breezy today is beautiful!
[04:32] <GazaM> even though I followed the guide to get sound working correctly, I can't use software which uses oss device
[04:33] <nalioth> g2g2 work
[04:33] <augmentor> bob2, is there anywhere else i can paste the output when i try to execute gkismet? pastebin.com is down it seems
[04:33] <zerokills> later nalioth
[04:33] <bob2> augmentor: #flood
[04:33] <Seveas> augmentor, paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[04:33] <augmentor> bob2, okay
[04:33] <Seveas> augmentor, rafb.net/paste
[04:33] <Seveas> there are more :)
[04:33] <bob2> #flood is so much less of a pain in the arse
[04:34] <Seveas> i'd say the opposite
[04:34] <bob2> augmentor: so, install the gnome perl module
[04:34] <Seveas> not everybody is in #flood
[04:34] <bob2> most of the people who answer questions are
[04:34] <Juhaz> there isn't one single advantage #flood has over web pastebins
[04:34] <augmentor> Seveas, thanks for the links
[04:34] <augmentor> bob2, oh okay
[04:34] <bob2> Juhaz: er, requiring one keystroke
[04:34] <bob2> augmentor: install libgnome-perl
[04:35] <Seveas> Juhaz, not having to fire up a browser :)
[04:35] <Juhaz> well... everyone always has a browser on the background :)
[04:35] <Seveas> Juhaz, not really
[04:36] <augmentor> bob2, downloading it, thanks
[04:36] <bob2> augmentor: np
[04:37] <bluefoxicy> wtf my sata isn't showing up
[04:37] <bluefoxicy> piece of shit
[04:41] <Choubaka> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/71 <- hmm?
[04:42] <GazaM> Has anybody here got an onboard Realtek AC97 sound card on an nforce motherboard, and 2 sound cards show up in the audio menu, one Realtek ALC, one nVidia CK804?
[04:43] <rg58sma> hi
[04:43] <GazaM> hi
[04:43] <rg58sma> someone knows how to knows what codecs remains in my avi file?
[04:44] <bob2> mplayer will tell you
[04:44] <rg58sma> yes
[04:44] <rg58sma> but is a amule file
[04:45] <rg58sma> too mplayer close automatly
[04:46] <bob2> I don't know what that means
[04:47] <bob2> Choubaka: how default is this machine?
[04:47] <ussss> how to Eject a CD-rom thru command line ?
[04:47] <bob2> the eject command
[04:47] <Choubaka> bob2: Somewhat old, but new enough. and basic harware. Anyway, seems like a udev restart created the device files.
[04:47] <ussss> yeah
[04:47] <ussss> it is mounted to /media/cdrom0
[04:48] <Choubaka> I think this is weird, since udev should create them automatically :/
[04:48] <Laverne> rg58sma, try "file bla.avi" that will tell you the file type
[04:48] <ussss> i guess, theres an Eject command in linux...
[04:49] <rg58sma> Mr.and Mrs.Smith.avi: RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 544 x 288, 25.00 fps, vide o: DivX 4, audio: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (stereo, 48000 Hz)
[04:49] <rg58sma> that is the result
[04:49] <mindspin> uss umount /media/cdrom0
[04:49] <mindspin> eject
[04:49] <Laverne> rg58sma, looks like it uses a divx codec
[04:50] <ussss> ok
[04:50] <ussss> uss ?
[04:50] <rg58sma> ok
[04:50] <rayde> quick question... if i don't have a /usr/src/linux directory, does that mean i don't have the kernel sources installed?
[04:50] <mindspin> ussss
[04:50] <ussss> awz...
[04:50] <ussss> ic
[04:50] <mindspin> just to address you
[04:50] <ussss> yeah... i think it was also a command
[04:50] <mindspin> hah
[04:50] <mindspin> sorry
[04:51] <ussss> umount: /media/cdrom0 is not mounted (according to mtab)
[04:51] <ussss> ?
[04:51] <mindspin> so try simply "eject"
[04:51] <ussss> eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument
[04:52] <mindspin> funny
[04:52] <mindspin> eject
[04:52] <mindspin> sorry
[04:52] <ussss> lol, not funny to me, coz im starting linux now...
[04:52] <mindspin> its working pretty fine here
[04:52] <ussss> if it fails, i will reinstall it w/ Windows XP
[04:53] <mindspin> its your choice
[04:53] <justin> ussss: what does mount actually say about your cdrom?
[04:53] <ussss> lol
[04:53] <ussss> eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument
[04:53] <BurgerMann> Who knows ImageMagick?
[04:54] <justin> ussss: chance #2 what does mount actually say about your cdrom?
[04:54] <ussss> before i can open the CD rom thru button. when i insert a cd and try to eject it... it wont open now
[04:54] <justin> ussss: chance #3 what does mount actually say about your cdrom?
[04:54] <mindspin> hahaha
[04:55] <ussss> no display
[04:55] <justin> ussss: use full sentences
[04:56] <ussss> pnpa@pnpaserver:/$ mount /media/cdrom0
[04:56] <ussss> pnpa@pnpaserver:/$
[04:56] <ussss> thats it
[04:56] <justin> for fucks sake
[04:56] <ussss> no msg/display
[04:56] <bob2> ussss: no, he means "What does the 'mount' command say about that device?"
[04:56] <bob2> ussss: the command you just ran ensures you can never eject the disk
[04:56] <bob2> c
[04:56] <ussss> what hes talking about ???
[04:57] <bob2> dude
[04:57] <ussss> thats it, no msg/display...
[04:57] <mindspin> now you have to retype the one with umount at the beginning
[04:57] <ussss> what the hell he talking about ?
[04:57] <bob2> ussss: what's your native language?
[04:57] <BurgerMann> Doen't anyone know ImageMagick?
[04:57] <ussss> thai
[04:57] <justin> !tell BurgerMann about polls
[04:57] <egabert> hi all
[04:57] <mindspin> BurgerMan I know ImageMagick
[04:57] <bob2> BurgerMann: why don't you just ask your question?
[04:57] <justin> grr
[04:57] <visor> people, you _cant_ eject the CD/DVD drive with the eject button on it until you deactivate automatic mounting in the gnome properties...
[04:57] <bob2> BurgerMann: lots of people have used it.
[04:57] <bob2> justin: dude, no
[04:57] <bob2> visor: yes, you can
[04:58] <bob2> visor: you just have to unmount it
[04:58] <bob2> ussss: so, run the "mount" command.  does it mention /media/cdrom?
[04:58] <visor> bob2: that doesnt make any sense, i mean in the way windows does
[04:58] <justin> bob2: right clicking the cdrom and picking 'eject' probably works too...
[04:58] <egabert> hi i have a problem how do i install ati drivers for radeon 9600?
[04:58] <bob2> visor: yes, indeed, linux is not like windows
[04:58] <BurgerMann> oh hi Mindspin, u told me about it before :)).. Since I have several pictures to scale, how do I make it scale all images in the directory
[04:58] <bob2> egabert: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:58] <BurgerMann> bob2, cuz I didn't :)
[04:58] <visor> bob2: i know what im saying is that this is an issue that is well known
[04:59] <ussss> sorry for that...... :(
[04:59] <egabert> thx @ bob but i already tried it so
[04:59] <justin> BurgerMann: man mogrify, read the examples at the top
[04:59] <ussss> i was exposed to windows....
[04:59] <bob2> BurgerMann: for i in * ; do convert -scale 800x600 $i $i.thumbnail ; done
[04:59] <bob2> visor: yes, it's well known
[04:59] <egabert> and it doesnt work xterm crashes after the configuration
[04:59] <BurgerMann> bob2, kewlz :)
[05:00] <mindspin> BurgerMan sorry, i dunno, I only use it as part of a web applikation, but a visit at the imagemagick homepage could help
[05:00] <bob2> egabert: er, try again then
[05:00] <bob2> egabert: and then come back and explain exactly what happens
[05:00] <visor> if you dont believe me ask James Henstridge and why he wrote an applet for ubuntu to unmount the CD/DVD ;)
[05:00] <bob2> yes, I know
[05:00] <bob2> (I work with james)
[05:00] <ussss> :)
[05:00] <visor> :O
[05:00] <ussss> lol
[05:00] <Choubaka> :/
[05:01] <bob2> Choubaka: ?
[05:01] <Choubaka> it's still not automounting the camera
[05:01] <egabert> i already tried it 3 times ubuntu said nothing only that the xterm dont work anylonger
[05:01] <visor> i didnt know :P
[05:01] <ussss> is anybody hungry ? :P
[05:01] <tombs> hi ppl
[05:01] <bob2> egabert: you're being too vague
[05:01] <bob2> egabert: what happens when you try to run xterm from a terminal? what error do you get?
[05:01] <Choubaka> even though I added the user to plugdev and udev creates the device now
[05:01] <bob2> egabert: did you REALLY follow the instructions?
[05:01] <Choubaka> Do I need to inform gnome about the usb drive somehow?
[05:01] <egabert> yes exactly
[05:01] <bob2> Choubaka: system -> preferences -> removable media
[05:02] <Choubaka> and?
[05:02] <bob2> and read it and make sure the settings are ok
[05:02] <Choubaka> they seem to be
[05:02] <mhz> How can I know which group is running php???
[05:02] <Choubaka> they're the defaults.
[05:02] <bob2> mhz: ps aux
[05:02] <mhz> (i'd assume it's www-data)
[05:02] <egabert> ok ok i try it once amore x)
[05:02] <visor> and so, is this really hard? i mean to catch the kernel signal when the eject button is pressed and in some way communicate this to HAL/D-Bus to unalocate any use of the drive and so it can be ejected?
[05:03] <bob2> ussss: dude
[05:03] <bob2> ussss: unmount it
[05:03] <bob2> ussss: right click on the icon on the desktop.
[05:03] <ussss> i tried already
[05:03] <bob2> ussss: not hard enough, it seems
[05:03] <Choubaka> nope.
[05:03] <Choubaka> it's not automounting :/
[05:03] <mindspin> ;-)
[05:03] <bob2> ussss: and you're not explaining what isn't working, either
[05:03] <egabert> but i have a question does it work good with this version to install it i want to play quake 3 ??
[05:03] <ussss> eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument
[05:03] <bob2> visor: you can't umount devices which programs are using
[05:03] <bob2> ussss: with sudo?
[05:04] <mhz> bob2, nop, ps ax |grep -i php
[05:04] <mhz>  outputs nothing
[05:04] <ussss> checking...
[05:04] <zerokills> reboot your system, that will unmount it
[05:04] <ussss> not yet...
[05:04] <bob2> mhz: er, presumably you're running it as a module inside apache
[05:04] <mhz> ussss, also, if you use ps ax to see how many process are using your device... then kill em all.
[05:04] <visor> bob2: and why when i call the eject function on nautilus it automatically closes the windows which has the drive content?
[05:05] <mhz> bob2, if so, then it is www-data
[05:05] <ussss> umount: /media/cdrom0: not mounted
[05:05] <mhz> hno73, hey!
[05:05] <egabert> bob how do you speak to me private?
[05:05] <bob2> visor: and when I'm using emacs to access a file on the disk?
[05:05] <bob2> mhz: yes
[05:05] <bob2> egabert: please don't /msg me
[05:05] <egabert> y?
[05:05] <bob2> because it's silly
[05:05] <bob2> ask your questions in here
[05:06] <justin> umount has a nice -l(azy) option for that
[05:06] <mhz> egabert, usually, you type /query the_user_name
[05:06] <Choubaka> hm :/
[05:06] <Choubaka> bob2: any more ideas?
[05:06] <ussss> bob2, theres 9 processes using ps as
[05:06] <visor> bob2: your are very right on that i know, its just that this is suppossed to be a friendly desktop OS
[05:06] <ussss> do i have to kill them all
[05:06] <ussss> ?
[05:06] <bob2> visor: I don't think it's a huge deal
[05:06] <mhz> yes
[05:06] <visor> and if i push the eject button i assume and expect to eject it
[05:06] <bob2> visor: and it requires breaking the kernel to change it
[05:06] <visor> bob2: me neither ;) im just commenting on it
[05:06] <bob2> ussss: no
[05:07] <ussss> what i will do with this ps as
[05:07] <bob2> ussss: what does "sudo umount /media/cdrom0" print out?
[05:07] <bob2> ussss: ignore ps
[05:07] <VRH> ussss, umount /dev/hdc
[05:07] <visor> plus its not like i have the skills to do something about it thats why im asking
[05:07] <ussss> umount: /media/cdrom0: not mounted
[05:07] <ussss> hdc, i guess its not a cdrom...
[05:07] <ussss> HD - Hardisk
[05:07] <Davey> visor: I use the Gnome Panel Applet for mounting :)
[05:07] <visor> ussss: what are you trying to do? eject the drive?
[05:07] <ussss> thats what i guess
[05:07] <VRH> ussss, but is linked
[05:07] <Davey> ussss: quite often the CD drives are seen as harddrives :)
[05:08] <ussss> visor, YEAH
[05:08] <Davey> hd* == IDE device, really :)
[05:08] <mhz> ussss, what does cat /etc/fstab say?
[05:08] <ussss> ok
[05:08] <ussss> i try
[05:08] <visor> ussss: "lsof | grep /media/cdrom*"  <- try this on the terminal and see what throws
[05:08] <ussss> umount: /dev/hdc is not mounted (according to mtab)
[05:08] <mhz> ussss, it all depends on the order the IDE devices are placed
[05:09] <VRH> yes
[05:09] <ussss> visor, blank ?
[05:09] <ussss> i mean blank
[05:09] <VRH> it can be hdX
[05:09] <ussss> no msg
[05:09] <visor> ussss: ok, then do a "sudo /sbin/eject"
[05:10] <mhz> ussss, for instance: 1st master is hda, 1st slave is hdb, 2nd master is hdc, 2nd slave is hdd
[05:10] <ussss> sudo: /sbin/eject: command not found
[05:10] <chrissturm> /usr/bin/eject
[05:10] <mhz> ussss, whereis eject
[05:10] <chrissturm> so just sudo eject should work
[05:10] <mindspin> or locate eject
[05:10] <ussss> thats what visor said
[05:11] <mhz> ussss, lso man eject
[05:11] <mhz> also
[05:11] <visor> if that does not work neither then do a "sudo tail -F /var/log/messages" and try again to umount then it must show some debug info
[05:11] <mhz> ussss, is man eject says nothing, then no eject installed :)
[05:11] <visor> ohh i lost that it was /usr/bin/eject
[05:12] <mhz> ussss, OR you can always use a good clip :)
[05:12] <chrissturm> visor: /usr/bin and /sbin are both in the path
[05:12] <ussss> lol
[05:12] <visor> and finally you can just reboot
[05:12] <ussss> u also said Ubuntu doesnt have eject
[05:12] <visor> chrissturm: i know, i just want to let him know
[05:13] <visor> well gotta go, talk to u later folks
[05:14] <VRH> ussss,  ls -al /dev/ | grep cdrom
[05:14] <justin> VRH: what is that going to do?
[05:14] <mhz> ussss, what does your /etc/fstab say?
[05:14] <VRH> the line for the linked
[05:14] <ussss> yehey! it ejects now
[05:14] <mhz> ussss, you should see a lin elike /dev/hdc /cdrom
[05:14] <ussss> pnpa@pnpaserver:/$ sudo /usr/bin/eject <--- using that command
[05:14] <VRH> fe: lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root           3 2005-06-13 17:00 cdrom -> hdc
[05:15] <justin> 'sudo /usr/bin/eject' is the same thing as 'sudo eject'
[05:15] <ussss> you're greate visor
[05:15] <ussss> :D
[05:15] <GNULinuxer> how do I enable UserDir in apache2 ? It says UserDir is now a module and uncommenting the options doesn't seem to work
[05:15] <toxicaway> whats the binary in ubuntu that can play sound even from the console? "play" doesn't exist right?
[05:16] <bob2> toxicaway: it does if you install sox
[05:16] <bob2> GNULinuxer: it works by default
[05:16] <Choubaka> hm
[05:16] <Choubaka> the gphoto2 database does not seem to contain my camera model.
[05:17] <GNULinuxer> bob2, it's raising an Internal Server Error ...
[05:17] <bob2> GNULinuxer: what is?
[05:17] <bob2> Choubaka: oh, your camera doesn't do usb-storage?
[05:18] <Choubaka> it does.
[05:18] <GNULinuxer> bob2, If I try to access ~/usename dir
[05:18] <bob2> Choubaka: if it doesn't, it's not supposed to automount (since the kernel doesn't know squat)
[05:18] <bob2> GNULinuxer: that's broken, but the url should http://foo/~username/
[05:18] <Choubaka> the kernel does know about it
[05:18] <Choubaka> it's still not automounting though.
[05:18] <bob2> no
[05:18] <bob2> the kernel knows about all usb devices that get plugged in
[05:18] <GNULinuxer> bob2, I know that I meant http://ip.addr/~username/  of course
[05:18] <bob2> it may not have any idea how to mount it, tho
[05:19] <bob2> which is the case for non-usb-storage cameras
[05:19] <Choubaka> bob2: this is a usb-storage camera.
[05:19] <bob2> Choubaka: you're sure?
[05:19] <Choubaka> I've never used gphoto2 to access it.
[05:19] <Choubaka> I just wondered if it had any relevance :P
[05:19] <justin> GNULinuxer: read the error log then
[05:19] <egabert> hi so whats the next  step?
[05:19] <egabert> root@FUCKUP:/home/egabert # lsmod | grep "_agp"
[05:19] <egabert> sis_agp                 8068  1
[05:19] <egabert> agpgart                31784  1 sis_agp
[05:19] <stazz> There is something wrong with my networking, every time dhclient trys a renewal, the connection goes down, I think it's related to sit0, can anyone tell me how to get rid of it?
[05:20] <bob2> Choubaka: so it has worked before?
[05:20] <bob2> stazz: it's not related to sit0
[05:20] <Choubaka> never with automounting
[05:20] <stazz> bob2: ok, I'm all ears
[05:20] <Choubaka> but I can mount it with a mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mountpoint
[05:20] <bob2> Choubaka: so it creates the device node, and you can 'sudo mount ...' it fine?
[05:20] <bob2> ah
[05:20] <egabert> please i need help i think it takes a second from youre time
[05:20] <egabert> root@FUCKUP:/home/egabert # lsmod | grep "_agp"
[05:20] <egabert> sis_agp                 8068  1
[05:20] <egabert> agpgart                31784  1 sis_agp
[05:21] <ussss> how do i kill a Wine-Systray ?
[05:21] <rk4n> hi2all
[05:21] <bob2> egabert: please stop it
[05:21] <Choubaka> So now I'm wondering how to make it automount.
[05:22] <Choubaka> or, well, making gnome see it when it's plugged in would be nice, too
[05:22] <bob2> Choubaka: if you run "dbus-monitor" and plug it in, do you get an event?
[05:22] <bob2> egabert: please don't /msg me
[05:22] <egabert> i only wanted a simple help thanks x(
[05:22] <bob2> egabert: you haven't given enough information for anyone to help you, and your attitude isn't very enticing
[05:22] <Choubaka> hmm
[05:23] <GNULinuxer> bob2, I had a malformed .htaccess ... now it's working ...
[05:23] <bob2> hah
[05:23] <stazz> bob2: you wouldn't happen to know why it disconnects on ip renewal?
[05:23] <egabert> @ bob sorry but i thought you could help me quickly so i followed the steps on the page and thats my result
[05:23] <GNULinuxer> bob2, BTW, when did you migrate to Ubuntu from Debian?
[05:23] <bob2> stazz: I don't know what you mean by "disconnect"
[05:24] <Sepheebear> hey guys is there any way to get video out of video/x-ms-asf into avi or something I can put on a dvd?
[05:24] <ussss> thanks to Ubuntu, i can run my existing mIRC.exe bot
[05:24] <stazz> bob2: well, the internet connection dies for several minutes when dhclient starts renewing
[05:24] <bob2> GNULinuxer: I started using ubuntu in may or so last year, but I still use both
[05:24] <bob2> stazz: well, yes, you won't be able to use it while dhclient does it's thing
[05:24] <yaaar_work> word
[05:24] <bob2> stazz: it shouldn't take more than 30s or so, tho
[05:24] <bob2> egabert: that's not your result
[05:24] <bob2> egabert: presumably somthing isn't working, why don't you tell us what?
[05:24] <GNULinuxer> bob2, you may not remember me, but we used to know each other sometime back on #Debian
[05:24] <stazz> bob2: I am very confident this isn't normal behaviour
[05:25] <bob2> GNULinuxer: yeah, I do
[05:25] <Choubaka> bob2: doesn
[05:25] <Choubaka> doesn't seem so.
[05:25] <bob2> Choubaka: that's odd
[05:25] <bob2> well, let me check I get anything, first
[05:25] <egabert> i already done it but nothing had changed so in the howto is written that you could tell me the next step with this informations
[05:26] <Choubaka> wtf.
[05:26] <bob2> egabert: dude
[05:26] <Choubaka> there was a "import photos" dialog on the screen now.
[05:26] <bob2> egabert: all we know is what you tell us
[05:26] <bob2> egabert: and you haven't even explained what isn't working yet
[05:26] <Choubaka> but it doesn't reappear if I unplug and replug
[05:26] <bob2> there's nothing any one can do to help you
[05:27] <GNULinuxer> bob2, I shifted to Ubuntu a couple of days back ... which repos contain unstable packages like PHP5 ?
[05:27] <bob2> GNULinuxer: none, afaik
[05:27] <GNULinuxer> bob2, why?
[05:27] <seth_k> GNULinuxer, PHP5 is super duper experimental. It's not even in Debian yet
[05:28] <bob2> GNULinuxer: because no one has made useful php5 packages yet, aiui
[05:28] <egabert> i will post it
[05:28] <seth_k> GNULinuxer, there's a tutorial on the wiki to build it from source
[05:28] <Davey> seth_k: ROFL... thats too funny
[05:28] <Davey> Debian is so behind the times for PHP its not funny.
[05:28] <bob2> oh lordy
[05:28] <egabert> 1. das AGP-Modul fr den Speichercontroller. Zu finden mit
[05:28] <egabert> lsmod | grep "_agp"
[05:29] <bob2> egabert: this is an english channel
[05:29] <Davey> PHP 5 is production ready, 5.0.4 especially.
[05:29] <Davey> GNULinuxer: compile PHP from scratch
[05:29] <Davey> Amaranth: !
[05:29] <mindspin> Davey this is arguable
[05:29] <GNULinuxer> Davey, okay
[05:29] <Amaranth> hey
[05:29] <bob2> anyway, #php-silliness
[05:29] <egabert> ok how do i change in a german channel?
[05:29] <Amaranth> egabert: /join #ubuntu-de
[05:29] <Davey> mindspin: I'd wager I'm more qualified to decide though ;)
[05:29] <bob2> egabert: #ubuntu.de or -de
[05:30] <mindspin> I only know #kubuntu-de
[05:30] <egabert> thx
[05:30] <Davey> GNULinuxer: http://davey.is-a-geek.com/info thats what I use :)
[05:30] <Davey> GNULinuxer: though it requires a number of packages, just ./configure and apt-get install necessary packages till it finishes successfully :)
[05:30] <stazz> And the dhclient seems to remove the address from the loopback device too!
[05:30] <bob2> stazz: how are you running it?
[05:30] <GNULinuxer> Davey, fine
[05:30] <bob2> stazz: "dhclient" by itself does very unpelasent things
[05:30] <stazz> bob2: the very default
[05:31] <bob2> stazz: so, don't run that
[05:31] <bob2> stazz: "sudo dhclient eth1" or whatever
[05:32] <mindspin> Davey I do not want to discuss php here
[05:32] <dennis_> Hi, I am a newbie to linux. Could someone give me a pointer to a good walkthrough how to install/switch between different fonts? I am using FireFox and would like to be able to type in russian. I tried searching ubuntu forums and google but no luck.
[05:33] <mindspin> isn't there a language pack for russian on the firefox site?
[05:33] <Davey> mindframe: thats fine, I'm working ;)
[05:34] <dennis_> I will take a look
[05:34] <mindspin> Davey you are not alone ;-)
[05:34] <Deffy> Hi, I successfully installed ubuntu and I went to install my wifi drivers, but hitting a snag
[05:35] <Deffy> I don't ever recall being asked to set a root password
[05:35] <dennis_> but is it firefox problem? What if I want to use russian in OpenOffice. Will I have to download additional packs?
[05:35] <bob2> Deffy: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[05:35] <bob2> Deffy: it explaiend this during the install
[05:35] <dennis_> Deffy: sudo passwd root
[05:35] <ninwa> Does the base Ubuntu install have DRI support? Where do I begin to configure my card to use it? I checked the Wiki and there's no information on it, and I checked the DRI site but their information is on how to rebuild X.org with DRI support and I want to reserve that until I'm sure I have to.
[05:36] <Deffy> thanks
[05:36] <mjr> ninwa, it does; what's your card?
[05:36] <ninwa> S3 Savage IX
[05:36] <ninwa> I checked the list, it's supported.
[05:36] <mjr> well, dunno about that
[05:36] <bob2> ouch, savage
[05:36] <bob2> it's probably not worth spending too much time on DRI for it
[05:37] <ninwa> http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/S3Savage?action=highlight&value=CategoryHardware
[05:37] <ninwa> Why? I want OpenGL support.
[05:37] <bob2> you have software opengl
[05:38] <Choubaka> Hm
[05:38] <Choubaka> No, dbus does not generate anything :/
[05:38] <Choubaka> it seems to almost work if I manually do /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart
[05:39] <Choubaka> but even then not always
[05:39] <ninwa> It must not be functioning properly then because when I attempt to play a game called StepMania it reports that "Your system is reporting that direct rendering is not available.  Please obtain an updated driver from your video card manufacturer."
[05:39] <ninwa> I wish the error was a little more specific, but that's what I get.
[05:40] <Efwis> whats the command in terminal to remove an installed component?
[05:40] <mjr> apt-get remove
[05:40] <Choubaka> bob2: dbus-monitor gives me this when I start it, but nothing else: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/72
[05:40] <Efwis> ty
[05:40] <ninwa> Anyone have any direction they can point me in?
[05:41] <bob2> ninwa: try asking on the mailing list
[05:41] <bob2> Choubaka: odd
[05:41] <Choubaka> bob2: indeed :/
[05:42] <ninwa> Alright, thank you, I'll see if I can go to the developers of the game for support. I had assumed it was an issue with my setup, I still presume it is but thanks again.
[05:43] <anacron> hello
[05:43] <bob2> Choubaka: time to file a bug, I guess
[05:43] <anacron> how can i watch windows media with linux, or can i?
[05:44] <bob2> anacron: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:45] <anacron> bob2: how is that going to help me?
[05:45] <anacron> if i need a codec
[05:45] <bob2> er
[05:45] <Amaranth> anacron: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:45] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:46] <anacron> ok, looks better now :) tnx
[05:47] <wulfepup> hey hi all
[05:47] <ternary_digit> Hi everyone... Is possible to use KDE in ubuntu ?
[05:47] <wulfepup> ternary_digit: yup...
[05:47] <bob2> ternary_digit: sure, install the kubuntu-desktop package
[05:49] <Tatster> Hi - I have a question....
[05:49] <Invis> lol
[05:49] <ternary_digit> but can i alternate between gnome and kde?
[05:49] <Tatster> Is there a way to use Windows GPO settings when using Ubuntu (Samba) as a PDC
[05:50] <Choubaka> hmm
[05:50] <f> Mit wehm Chate ich?
[05:50] <Choubaka> It does detect and mount the camera _if_ and when I manually restart dbus
[05:50] <f> sprichst du Deutsch?
[05:51] <wulfepup> f: please English only .. and you are chatting with an entire room of people.
[05:51] <jind_> ternary_digit, sure. Just install and the graphcical login program will let you choose to start whatever you choose
[05:51] <jind_> I have kde, gnome and xfce4 installed here. Works great
[05:51] <ternary_digit> fine!
[05:51] <f> Tu parles francais?
[05:51] <pedro_> f: hablas espaol  ?
[05:52] <pedro_> same thing, speak english please
[05:52] <yaaar_work> f; un peu
[05:52] <ternary_digit> should i use apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[05:52] <f> No
[05:52] <bob2> ternary_digit: use aptitude
[05:52] <ternary_digit> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[05:52] <wulfepup> ternary_digit: aptitude or synaptic.
[05:52] <ternary_digit> ok
[05:52] <f> sPRICHT HIER JEMAND dEUTSCH
[05:52] <mag> apt-get will work
[05:52] <mag> flawlessly
[05:52] <ternary_digit> thanks everyone... i will try it!!!
[05:53] <jind_> "apt-get update && apt-get install kde" works great
[05:53] <jind_> Synaptic is just a frontend
[05:53] <f> Tu parles almond?
[05:53] <f> Hello
[05:53] <f> hello
[05:54] <bob2> f: please stop it, or leave
[05:54] <f> seid ihr zfrieden mit ubuntu?
[05:54] <wulfepup> jind_: true enough but aptitude and synaptic are easier to use, just in case one isn't sure of the exact name...
[05:55] <pedro_> is my idead or the X is fucked up on breezy ?
[05:55] <pedro_> s/idea/idead
[05:56] <ivoks> pedro_: nothing is fcked up
[05:56] <goye2cz> the glutton for punishment is back again tryin to install the us122. I'm stuck trying to find an RPM. I'm running into broken links and am wondering if anyone knows of an alternative? http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/4/idpl/1419735/com/alsa-firmware-1.0.6-1.cvs.rhfc2.ccrma.i386.rpm.html
[05:56] <ivoks> pedro_: it's under development
[05:56] <jind_> wulfepup, sure. But still not a valid argument to use aptitude/synaptic over apt-get. No techical reason ;)
[05:56] <ivoks> pedro_: smart people assume development things aren't much usable :)
[05:56] <bob2> pedro_: lots of things are broken in breezy
[05:56] <f> wadysase
[05:56] <bob2> pedro_: if you want a working system, don't use it
[05:56] <pedro_> ivoks: well is broken :-)
[05:56] <pedro_> i have a lot of packages installed that are under development
[05:57] <pedro_> and they arent broken
[05:57] <pedro_> so..
[05:57] <wulfepup> Anywho ... time for my n00b question: If I needed to add "setpci -s 0:a.0 SUBORDINATE_BUS=0x0A" to my /etc/init.d/pcmcia where in the code would it go?
[05:57] <pedro_> im just asking :-)
[05:57] <Funraiser> yesterday i asked here if this http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseandkeyboard/productdetails.aspx?pid=036 existed on linux, well it does and it's here http://linuxbiometrics.com/modules/news/
[05:57] <bob2> pedro_: yes, it is known that X is broken
[05:57] <bob2> pedro_: the fix is in th BTS; if you want a reliable system, do not use breezy
[05:57] <tandy> anyone know how I can limit download/upload speeds for differnt users on same box
[05:57] <seth_k> although pedro_, there is a fix for the X problem on the forums if you really wish to pursue it
[05:58] <pedro_> bob2: yeah but i want to use the gnome development releases
[05:58] <pedro_> just for development
[05:58] <pedro_> so i guess im going to upgrade only that packages
[05:58] <pedro_> thanks bob2
[05:58] <jind_> I personally find apt-cache / apt-get easier and faster to use then their graphical counterparts :)
[05:58] <Choubaka> :((
[05:58] <Choubaka> This just isn't working.
[05:59] <jind_> Actually, I had forgotten they even existed
[05:59] <jind_> Does anybody know when xorg 6.9 is coming?
[05:59] <wulfepup> jind_: being new to Linux in general, I like using them to see what is available for easy dl and install...
[06:00] <tandy> is there a way to throttle bandwidth for differnt users
[06:00] <jind_> wulfepup, chances are you will learn to appreciate the console tools for such things quite fast. But, sure - graphical tools are easy to use
[06:01] <tandy> when i have someonel oggedo n and they downlaod something they use all the bandwidth
[06:01] <ivoks> tandy: sure there is
[06:01] <bob2> tandy: trickle
[06:01] <ivoks> but, AFAIK, there is no GUI tool for that
[06:02] <Tatster> exit
[06:02] <tandy> bob2 trickle?
[06:02] <bob2> tandy: yes
[06:02] <ivoks> hm... trickle :)
[06:02] <bob2> if you have hostile users, tho, kill them
[06:02] <tandy> im just talkign about regular users
[06:02] <zzorn_away> Hi, is there some official packages of SUNs Java JDKs for Ubuntu?
[06:02] <bob2> no
[06:02] <ivoks> zzorn: no
[06:02] <zzorn> okay
[06:02] <bob2> no one has official packages of Sun's JDK
[06:02] <bob2> because sun's license sucks
[06:02] <ivoks> like for any other platform, you have to download sun't package
[06:03] <tandy> bob: tricle banwidth shaper?
[06:03] <zzorn> I guess they can still be manually installed pretty easily.  Just a pity that they don't integrate into the directory structure.
[06:03] <mhz> hno73, ping?
[06:04] <hno73> mhz: Hi!
[06:04] <tandy> ivoks: is there anything elseb esides trickle ican ivnestigate
[06:04] <caonex> can anybody tell me the meaning of: /sbin/init: 428 cannot open device console.  I get that when i try to boot my kernel.
[06:04] <ivoks> tandy: QoS/Netfilter
[06:04] <stazz> Why in some programs, such as xmms, the fonts are terribly small?
[06:05] <ivoks> caonex: udev problem
[06:05] <ivoks> caonex: did you upgrade from sarge?
[06:06] <goye2cz> I'm trying to install alsa firmware does anyone know how to translate these instructions? To utilitarian for me. http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/stable/multimedia/alsa-firmware.html Also I'm using gnome if that makes a difference.
[06:06] <ivoks> caonex: ah, that's your own kernel? i guess you didn't compile it right :)
[06:06] <james__> what do people use to edit mp3 tags? rythmbox doesnt see to support this?
[06:06] <stazz> james__: kid3 :)
[06:09] <goye2cz> hondje: do you have time to help with some jibberish?
[06:09] <james__> Can I get a patch that will let me edit them in rythmbox?
[06:09] <Amaranth> james__: tagtool or easytag
[06:09] <Amaranth> james__: rhythmbox in CVS supports it
[06:09] <james__> CVS?
[06:10] <Amaranth> james__: that means the next version of rhythmbox will have it
[06:10] <james__> ok, what do CVS actually stand for, anyway?
[06:10] <chrissturm> concurrent versioning system
[06:10] <james__> thanks
[06:11] <caonex> ivoks, no i did not. I installed ubuntu from scratch.
[06:11] <wulfepup> bbiab
[06:11] <caonex> ivoks, that is not my own actually, that error i get when booting the one from ubuntu thta i had to reinstall for some conflicts
[06:11] <raptoid> help me help me
[06:11] <raptoid> raptoid@ubuntu:~$ sudo -s -H
[06:11] <raptoid> raptoid is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[06:11] <raptoid> raptoid@ubuntu:~$ sudo -s
[06:11] <raptoid> raptoid is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[06:11] <raptoid> raptoid@ubuntu:~$
[06:11] <raptoid> ?
[06:12] <raptoid> help me
[06:12] <sgbirch> I am having trouble installing emacs21 from us.archive.ubuntu.com.  Synaptic indicates there is a MD5Sum mispatch.  Anyone else see this?
[06:12] <bob2> sgbirch: /topic
[06:12] <gnuyen> Hi guys, when I stick a USB key in it automounts
[06:12] <pedro_> sgbirch: see the topic
[06:12] <sgbirch> s/mispatch/mismatch/
[06:12] <bob2> bah
[06:12] <raz> Best CD writting software under ubuntu?
[06:12] <bob2> raz: nautilus
[06:13] <sgbirch> duh ... thanks
[06:13] <gnuyen> but when I stick my ihp-120 (iriver mp3 player) which is also a USB storage device
[06:13] <raptoid> raptoid@ubuntu:~$ sudo -s -H
[06:13] <raptoid> raptoid is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[06:13] <gnuyen> it dosen't autmount
[06:13] <raptoid> help me ?
[06:13] <xxenon> is there a file in which I add startup iptables rules ?
[06:13] <Choubaka> Hm.
[06:13] <gnuyen> automount
[06:13] <ninwa> 'ello. I was told earlier that Ubuntu comes with DRI installed. I've done a little researched and it seems that it may've, but mine doesn't seem to be configured properly. xdriinfo says: "Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0""... Could I get some direction on how to fix this?
[06:13] <gnuyen> how can I get it to automount and show an icon on the desktop
[06:13] <lleberg_> How much.. does a camel (the desert animal) cost?
[06:13] <Choubaka> My camera still doesn't automount, but I guess it's ok :P
[06:13] <pedro_> see you later
[06:13] <bob2> xxenon: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian
[06:13] <bob2> ninwa: yes, it doesn't include it for savage
[06:13] <xxenon> bob2 - thx
[06:13] <gnuyen> It automounted in FC3
[06:13] <bob2> lleberg_: #blah
[06:14] <ninwa> bob2, I doubt there's a package I can download for an instafix, should I download dri manually then? Their Wiki claims support for Savage
[06:14] <gnuyen> I have "Mount removable drives when hot plugged"
[06:14] <gnuyen> checked
[06:15] <gnuyen> in side the removable drives and media preferences
[06:15] <Lafitte-> bob2,  how do you get nautilas for burning ?
[06:15] <raz> bob2, nautilus' a cd-writting software?!! :|
[06:15] <bob2> Lafitte-: put in a blank cd.  enjoy.
[06:15] <bob2> raz: yes
[06:15] <zelurxunil> quick question...im going through a Hoary install and am at the partitioner right now...i have a windows fat32 partition and 50mb for a /boot partition along with the / partition....which ones do i put the bootable flag on.../boot or the windows and / partition?
[06:15] <bob2> ninwa: no idea, I'd ask on the mailing list
[06:15] <Lafitte-> bob2,  mine opens gnomebaker
[06:16] <goye2cz> I'm about to scream here. any help for installing alsa firmware?
[06:16] <bob2> ouch
[06:16] <chaitat> ?hello world
[06:16] <bob2> goye2cz: try asking on the mailing list
[06:16] <bob2> since no one here seems to know
[06:16] <bob2> (and I'v never even heard of playing with sound card firmware)
[06:16] <goye2cz> bob2: mailing list for alsa firmware?
[06:16] <chaitat> i add second ram into my pc, bios recognised it but
[06:16] <chaitat> linux doesn't
[06:16] <chaitat> ???
[06:16] <raz> bob2.. anything like nero for linux?
[06:16] <bob2> goye2cz: http://lists.ubuntu.com/
[06:16] <bob2> raz: you can buy nero for linux
[06:17] <goye2cz> bob2: thx
[06:17] <Lafitte-> raz,  gnomebaker is like that
[06:17] <zelurxunil> do you set the bootable flag on /boot or the partitions with OSes?
[06:17] <bob2> no
[06:17] <bob2> neither
[06:18] <yaaar_work> raz, actually, if you already own nero for windows, nero for linux is free. just download it and give it your windows license key
[06:18] <holycow> speaking of sound cards ....
[06:18] <bob2> only windows cares
[06:18] <holycow> my issue last night with alsa pumping a high pitched noise into my speakers ...
[06:18] <raz> yaaar, aighties.
[06:18] <zelurxunil> alright thanks
[06:18] <holycow> turned out to be a mixer issue related to mythtv installation
[06:18] <holycow> after installing myth, if i block signal input from the mic, the high pitch sound is produced
[06:19] <holycow> if i unblock input from mic but mute it, it goes away
[06:19] <holycow> maybe that will help someone if they run into the same issue
[06:19] <Matthew_W> How do I get my OpenGL support to work?  I'm trying to play games using cedega, but... no OpenGL..
[06:20] <Nightcr8w> greetings
[06:20] <Nightcr8w> have a question
[06:20] <Nightcr8w> has anyone ran into a problem while installing gnome on a clean server?
[06:21] <Lafitte-> bob2,  man   great tip    on the software
[06:21] <Nightcr8w> I am getting what seems to be a dependency problem while installing gnome-applets-data
[06:22] <Efwis> is there a way to get my modem to be used as a fax machine while hooked up on eth0 for my net connection?
[06:24] <Nightcr8w> has anyone experienced a problem while installing gnome with the app called gnome-applets-data????
[06:24] <Matthew_W> bob2: you still around here?
[06:25] <chrissturm> someone should port quicksilver to gnome
[06:25] <mjr> Efwis, try hylafax
[06:26] <Efwis> it just sits there trying to talk to the modem continuously,
[06:27] <anacron> hey guys, how can i get my wlan work with ndiswrapper?
[06:27] <Efwis> tried it for like 5 minutes
[06:27] <sniff> which card?
[06:27] <Amaranth> chrissturm: quicksilver? you mean someone should add autocomplete to Alt-F2? :)
[06:27] <anacron> i have an pci card (d-link dwl-510)
[06:28] <anacron> i already downloaded those drivers and made that ndiswrapper i + inf thing
[06:28] <sniff> modprobe
[06:28] <anacron> modprobe?
[06:28] <sniff> modprobe ndiswrapper
[06:28] <bolsh> heya! I got a problem with gnome when I upgraded to <IP_ADDRESS>, seems like the dhclient is causing it to break, anyone heard about this ?
[06:28] <debian_> is ubuntuforums.org timing out for anyone else when they try and visit it?
[06:29] <sniff> than it should work d-link cards are good supported
[06:29] <Efwis> i'll try hylafax again, but when I did the scan modem it said something about needing kernel headers
[06:29] <anacron> sniff: what next?
[06:29] <chrissturm> Amaranth, that would be a good start
[06:29] <anacron> sniff: oh nothing, i found out already
[06:29] <Shachaf> Has anybody else here had trouble getting Ubuntu working with an eepro100?
[06:30] <makaveli> alright guys i have a situation i backed up my linux patition using acronis true image i was duall booting windows xp and i had a bootsect.lnx where i used the dd command to us nt's boot loader to boot linux now i had to zero out my hard drive and i am currently re-installing the only problem is that after i have restored the linux partition the bootsect.lnx won't work is there anyway to use a live cd to get into gnome so that i
[06:30] <sniff> does the power led work?
[06:30] <Stuttergart> Is it just me or are the download archives completely screwed right now?
[06:30] <goye2cz> what does it mean when I try to install something and it says no acceptable c compiler found?
[06:30] <Stuttergart> I'm getting MD5 mismatches on almost everything.
[06:31] <mjr> Stuttergart, I hear the us mirror is borken
[06:31] <mjr> Stuttergart, see topic
[06:31] <GNULinuxer> which package contains db2html ?
[06:31] <wulfe_afk> Stuttergart: check the /topic ?
[06:31] <Nightcr8w> is there a problem installing gnome-applets-data when installing gnome ???
[06:31] <nalioth> Stuttergart: open your sources.list and remove the us. part of us.archive.etc
[06:31] <Stuttergart> ic
[06:31] <nalioth> Stuttergart: on all lines with us.whatever
[06:32] <Stuttergart> not sure how I overlooked that in the topic
[06:32] <makaveli> ?
[06:32] <mjr> GNULinuxer, dunno, but you can use apt-file to search (install it first)
[06:32] <GNULinuxer> mjr, fine
[06:34] <PhantomFreak> Does the mwave modem work out of the box?
[06:34] <albacker> guys can someone help me here ? : http://rafb.net/paste/results/mOa0ic54.html
[06:36] <thenuke> albacker: well, did you install mplayer without apt-get?
[06:37] <albacker> thenuke, i dont remember. what if i have installed it from a deb package ?
[06:37] <justin> albacker: use aptitude to look at your installed packages. the name isn't exactly 'mplayer'
[06:37] <thenuke> if you had, apt-get should know it
[06:37] <Efwis> for faxsetup, how do I go about finding out what port my modem is on in Ubuntu?
[06:38] <albacker> justin, what is it ?
[06:38] <thenuke> yup, try aptiude from console or synaptic
[06:38] <justin> albacker: uh, look?
[06:38] <ivoks> Efwis: /dev/modem is good choice :)
[06:38] <Efwis> ty
[06:38] <albacker> justin, where ?
[06:38] <^egg^> po
[06:39] <^egg^> hi
[06:40] <hac> y cpu use is 100% when I resize a window...Why?I'm using Gnome 2.10
[06:40] <hac> *My
[06:40] <albacker> does anyone know how to delete packages installed with dpkg ?
[06:41] <ninwa> cant you apt-get remove pkg_name ?
[06:41] <justin> albacker: 12:37 < justin> albacker: use aptitude to look at your installed packages. the name isn't exactly 'mplayer'
[06:41] <albacker> justin, what is it than ?
[06:41] <justin> albacker: or synaptic, or even dpkg. pick one and look. stop guessing
[06:41] <^egg^> hac:  no
[06:41] <Efwis> whats this? local identification string???, sorry I'm a noob at Linux
[06:41] <justin> albacker: why don't you LOOK
[06:42] <albacker> root@galaxy:/home/eni # dpkg -r mplayer
[06:42] <albacker> dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove mplayer which isn't installed.
[06:42] <^egg^> Efwis:  what string?
[06:42] <Matthew_W> Hey - Do any of you know any program that would allow me to edit my cell phone through linux?  Or drivers for LG phones?  Or if they're supported etc.
[06:42] <justin> albacker: use aptitude to look at your installed packages. the name isn't exactly 'mplayer'
[06:42] <justin> albacker: or synaptic, or even dpkg. pick one and look. stop guessing
[06:43] <Efwis> ^egg^, its says "Local identification string (for TSI/CIG) ["NothingSetup"] ?
[06:43] <albacker> ok justin thanks a lot
[06:43] <^egg^> Efwis:  o.o
[06:44] <anacron> yeah i got my wlan working <3
[06:44] <anacron> *dancing*
[06:44] <^egg^> ...
[06:44] <^egg^> idiot
[06:45] <justin> Efwis: are you trying to set up faxing
[06:45] <dbernar1> s\
[06:45] <Efwis> yes
[06:46] <justin> Efwis: press enter or make up something then
[06:46] <Efwis> k
[06:47] <raptoid> hi
[06:47] <raptoid> guyz..
[06:47] <raptoid> help me pls..
[06:47] <^egg^> hi
[06:47] <^egg^> what?
[06:47] <Matthew_W> justin: as you seem to be the only person responding, I suppose I'll have to ask you - what on Earth is wrong with my serial/com ports... I have a cable for my phone (usb to serial) and when I try to detect it, it says that there are no com ports on my computer, but.. I'm looking at them
[06:47] <raptoid> raptoid@ubuntu:/home$ sudo -s
[06:47] <raptoid> raptoid is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.