[12:14] <rickspencer3> good morning all
[12:23] <marcoceppi> rickspencer3: o/
[12:30] <rickspencer3> marcoceppi, looks like the release is going fine, (according to infinity and cjwatson)
[12:30] <rickspencer3> now just waiting for sabdfl to name the next release :)
[12:30] <marcoceppi> huzzah
[12:31] <marcoceppi> rickspencer3: I seem to remember he naming them a few weeks before the release, seems he's a bit too busy these days ;)
[12:31] <rickspencer3> marcoceppi, yeah, he used to name them around beta time


[08:48] <GunnarHj> Hi cjwatson, Any chance you can fix this:
[08:48] <GunnarHj> https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=61059
[08:48] <GunnarHj> Such tickets have previouly been dealt with almost instantly. Not this time.
[09:57] <cjwatson> GunnarHj: Sorry, no, that's not something I have access to do
[09:58] <GunnarHj> cjwatson: Do you know someone who has and who I could ping?
[10:50] <cjwatson> GunnarHj: I think RT is already the right place.  But #canonical-sysadmin I suppose.
[10:50] <cjwatson> GunnarHj: The only people who can reassign ownership of teams they don't own are members of ~admins, i.e. IS>
[10:52] <GunnarHj> cjwatson: Thanks! I may try that channel later.
[14:43] <axino> hello Launchpad team, not sure if you're aware but LP git prod in PS5 has no VM in AZ3
[14:49] <cjwatson> axino: ... ok?  can you expand?
[14:51] <cjwatson> (taken to internal ops channel)


[02:11] <jrwren> anyone have issues with python/requests... actually all of ubuntu... not supporting LetsEncrypt root certs?  python/requests/curl fails for me, but on my mac the same root cert works.
[02:11] <jrwren> I get * TLSv1.2 (OUT), TLS alert, handshake failure (552):
[02:11] <jrwren> * error:1414D172:SSL routines:tls12_check_peer_sigalg:wrong signature type
[02:14] <cmaloney> Which version of python / requests?
[02:21] <jrwren> python 3.8, not sure about requests.
[02:21] <jrwren> but it seems to be system wide as curl is also effected.
[02:21] <jrwren> can anyone compare this file on tehir system?
[02:21] <jrwren> 2a02:840:1:1:1::1
[02:21] <jrwren>  200348 Jun  3 22:15 /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt
[02:21] <jrwren> gah, I thought maybe it was ipv6, but no, evne on ipv4 same error.
[02:21] <jrwren> my only guess is ca-certifactes.crt is no good.
[02:25] <jrwren> ca-certificates is already the newest version (20190110ubuntu1.1).
[02:25] <jrwren> that does seem too old.
[02:26] <jrwren> hrm... or not... despite the version it is from June of 2020
[02:31] <cmaloney> Does it work on other sites?
[02:37] <jrwren> yes
[02:37] <jrwren> i'm thinking it is this, but the fix didn't work for me.
[02:37] <jrwren> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=900984
[02:41] <jrwren> yeah, adding --ciphers DEFAULT@SECLEVEL=1  to the curl command makes it pass, but I've no idea how to set default openssl client ciphers
[02:43] <jrwren> well, curl is excellent, so ciphers = in ~/.curlrc works great, but that doesn't fix requests.
[02:44] <jrwren> https://github.com/psf/requests/issues/4775
[02:48] <jrwren> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1233186/ubuntu-20-04-how-to-set-lower-ssl-security-level  WINS
[02:51] <jrwren> well that was really interesting
[11:56] <cmaloney> Wow, that's fun. :)
[12:10] <jrwren> it really was. I'm glad I solved it.


 @NotKit [there is a separate repo for each package, but what you need to download really …], I understand, I want to start migration for my smartphone and start working on the project and if possible help in something
 if you want to port it for your smartphone, look into http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/. Download size of Halium tree would be around 10 GiB
 @NotKit [if you want to port it for your smartphone, look into http://docs.halium.org/en/ …], A ticket size, Android is approximately 80GB
 @NotKit [if you want to port it for your smartphone, look into http://docs.halium.org/en/ …], Thanks
 80 GB of Android is probably for unpacked tree on hard drive, but it is a bit smaller during download due to Git compression
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 Porting UEFI to random A5-A10 device, post pictures of `HAL_INITIALIZATION_FAILED` BSoD because AIC incompatibility might still be cool
 And random people will think “oh Windows will run on iDevices”
 If I went through the lk code correctly, QSD8250 has VIC instead of GIC
 And we know Windows RT boots on HD2
 So early Windows RT (at least 9200) support VIC maybe
 Where is your video of UT running unity ?? 😸 can't wait to see it man
 @malditobastardo [Where is your video of UT running unity ?? 😸 can't wait to see it man], you mean Unreal Engine. not sure what the other stuff has to do with UT though
 Yeah unreal engine 😹😸
 Me neither
 and "ue4 running on nexus" != "ue4 running on UT"
 Been mostly busy these past few days
 it was implied, by being in this group, but i don't think UE4 has mirclient support
 I will put a pull request to UE4 github if I dont get enough time to make a recording
 It's very early but it works ™
 Id still like to see a video of it
 same
 so say we all
 How did you get it working? @samzn
 Doesnt have to be super high quality or anything, hell, Ill even compile it myself and record it if you wanna point me in the direction of your github
 Speaking of which, and maybe a bit offtopic, anyone knows how full is GLES support on wined3d? I have a pitch I wanted to work on
 what does wined3d have to do with ubports or UT?
 @hacker12455 [How did you get it working? @samzn], Got the GLES driver to work on desktop linux plus some SDL fixes and things to get it building on ARM
 there is https://t.me/UBportsOF for those "a bit off topic" things
 Jetson K1 port of UE4 helped a lot
 yeah let's go to UBOF
 but basically projects have to be adapted to work with GLES as well?
 @NotKit [but basically projects have to be adapted to work with GLES as well?], with some extra work I could just make it "Deploy to Linux ARM" and it would cook it
 Like you can deploy with one click to iOS
 @samzn [Got the GLES driver to work on desktop linux plus some SDL fixes and things to g …], Funny how the UE4 GLES driver is entirely ifdeffed out if you are targeting "desktop"
 I'd really honestly just want to get my work running on mobile, but there's probably some contractual problems from multiple parties that would stop that 😛
 @samzn [Porting UEFI to random A5-A10 device, post pictures of HAL_INITIALIZATION_FAILED …], And if anyone has an A10 device and wants to try UT here's your starting point https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/KD8fYgkhhF/
 @samzn [Porting UEFI to random A5-A10 device, post pictures of HAL_INITIALIZATION_FAILED …], And if anyone with A10 wants to try a starting point for UT, here you go https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/KD8fYgkhhF/
 i fail to see at all how an EFI? device tree is at all helpful to anyone who wants to port UT to anything, especially apple devices which do not have android 7.1 kernels
 by running mainline Linux of course
 That's a DT straight from AAPL
 AAPL uses Linux for silicon validation
 what is AAPL?
 Apple
 Apple's stock ticker
 @NotKit [what is AAPL?], stock ticker
 @samzn [AAPL uses Linux for silicon validation], so they have open source drivers they publish in upstream linux kernel and make it easy to unlock and replace the bootloader to install linux system son their phones/tablets?
 It's for private use so they're not bound to the release terms of the GPLv2
 A14 might see a change in that
 So it'd be "Really really difficult" then.
 right, so completely useless for UT
 Still super fun
 Most A* chips talks and feels like Exynos
 I might be a little masochists, but that doesn't sound very fun at all. :P
 if someone wants to hack on that, sure, but we have much lower laying targets like Pine*
 and basically an unlimited list of android phones to try and port, which is hard enough already
 maybe the postmarket crowd would be more interesting for the stuff you keep posting @samzn given it's more along the lines of RE and mainlining devices
 Is there a tagger-app version working on OneplusOne (edge) ?
 what doesn't work?
 Focus don't work therefor no detection of  codes
 does authenticator-ng work?
 @dohbee [does authenticator-ng work?], No, focus don't work
 even with latest version? weird
 yes, latest version
 does focus work in camera app?
 Yes, camera app works fine
 hmm, i don't know what could be wrong then
 is there anything in the app's log file?
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/nR1XIj3t.png
 would be better to pastebin the log. if it's not working, in the log viewer app, go to settings and set a username, then it should work
 @dohbee [would be better to pastebin the log. if it's not working, in the log viewer app, …], Thanks for this. Now pastebin works.
 http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XHtddMjYxc/
 hmm, nothing that would indicate a focus issue in there unfortunately :-/
 @dohbee [hmm, nothing that would indicate a focus issue in there unfortunately :-/], I'll try to find the bug. I have 2 Oneplus One here and on both devices tagger don't work. We will see... Thanks a lot for your help for now.
 @Waldbursche [I'll try to find the bug. I have 2 Oneplus One here and on both devices tagger d …], latest authenticator-ng has some fixes related to barcode focusing, but you will only see a visible result when scanning 2FA barcodes for authenticator. you can do an image search to find some example codes to test it with, especially if you
[20:22] <ubptgbot> don't use authenticator normally
 @dohbee [latest authenticator-ng has some fixes related to barcode focusing, but you will …], Mmmh... installed <IP_ADDRESS> from gitlab and authenticator ng works with 2FA barcode
 tagger might need similar adjustments to the camera settings to work better for barcodes
 tagger read also 2FA barcode i see currently but don't work with simple barcode
 qr code works also with tagger
 mmmh...
 i think it only works with QR codes
 @dohbee [i think it only works with QR codes], i see. But in my memory i think tagger was working with simple barcode
 @Waldbursche [i see. But in my memory i think tagger was working with simple barcode], It does if you import a picture from gallery for example
 @Volkmar [It does if you import a picture from gallery for example], QR Code works fine with tagger directly with camera. … When i import a picture from gallery as simple barcode the tagger app says no code detected
 It looks that tagger don't work with simple barcode
 It does sometimes... I have a working example
 Interesting...
 I'll try some different codes
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[09:47] <zequence> http://www.davidrevoy.com/article154/mypaint-1-1-a-guide-through-the-new-features#.UOdo1GF7gT0.google_plusone_share
[16:54] <len-1304> zequence, can you see a good reason for having more than one rtirq setup to run?
[16:54] <len-1304> I'm thinking for more than one sound card.
[16:55] <len-1304> In the case where sometimes an internal card is used, but sometimes a USB card is used.
[16:56] <zequence> len-1304: I've done very little testing with rtirq. The times I've looked at the result from the default config, it has looked fine. And then, I've had no effect from using it. But then I haven't used anything else than pci and firewire, where I've been lucky enough to never have a problem with firewire
[16:57] <zequence> len-1304: One thing I was thinking about for -controls was a way to adjust prio for devices
[16:57] <len-1304> With FW, if it is not plugged in then PCI or internal comes out top anyway.
[16:57] <zequence> So, someone not wanting to spend time with config files could do it from the gui
[16:58] <len-1304> With USB, I do not want a BUS stick to have priority over an internal sound card
[16:58] <zequence> len-1304: Does it make a difference for you in performance?
[16:58] <len-1304> Yes.
[16:58] <len-1304> with USB it does
[16:59] <len-1304> there is a more than this of course but it does help
[16:59] <zequence> having a usb stick get high prio from the default config sounds like a bug, but how to determine if the usb port is connected to an audio device?
[16:59] <len-1304> I am thinking there could be three stock rtirq files.
[17:00] <len-1304> It takes some user know how.
[17:00] <len-1304> I had to find out wich USB port has it's own irq and then set that one higher than the others
[17:01] <len-1304> The thing is, in some ways rtirq should be run after the USB sound IF is plugged in
[17:01] <zequence> It would be best if the prios were set in a plug and play fashion too
[17:01] <len-1304> Ya
[17:02] <len-1304> That is kind of what I was saying
[17:02] <zequence> len-1304: Any chance you could work out some method for doing this? btw, are you still planning on working on the menu?
[17:02] <len-1304> How working on the menu?
[17:03] <len-1304> I have done the icons... just waiy=ting for the upload.
[17:03] <zequence> len-1304: The stuff we talked about a couple of months ago. making it freedesktop based as much as possible, etc
[17:03] <len-1304> The icons are there, but -settings has not yet been released to make use of them.
[17:04] <len-1304> I have sort of done that, all our new menus are based on standard icon file names now.
[17:04] <len-1304> I have not gone through the categories though.
[17:05] <zequence> Well, there's no particular hurry. It's a long term work in progress thing
[17:05] <zequence> I'm getting closer to taking over kernel maintenance
[17:05] <len-1304> I am thinking of updating my mode switch glue.
[17:06] <zequence> Should do some testing with some configs. Probably dropping debug stuff should improve things somewhat
[17:06] <len-1304> That would mean redoing packages
[17:06] <zequence> redoing what packages
[17:07] <len-1304> Almost all the a/v packages have some debug stuff in them, I think.
[17:07] <zequence> I'm talking about the build config for linux-lowlatency. So, just one file in the source.
[17:07] <len-1304> Ah, good
[17:07] <zequence> But, that thing is also todo, yues
[17:08] <zequence> len-1304: I had a talk with David H about jackd and PA integration
[17:08] <len-1304> OK and
[17:09] <zequence> So, the code that makes jack2 able to grab the audio device from pulseaudio is something that only exists in PA and jackd
[17:09] <zequence> It's a Poettering solution
[17:09] <zequence> It happens through dbus
[17:09] <zequence> Now, it doesn't seem to be working as intended though
[17:09] <len-1304> Thats what I hear... that would be why it is a "package problem"
[17:09] <zequence> Cause, at least for me, jackd can only grab the card, if PA is not playing something
[17:10] <len-1304> I think there just needs to be some small delay added to the jackd end of things.
[17:10] <zequence> Well, I wouldn't call it a packaging problem, as it's a problem with the source
[17:10] <len-1304> I was talking about from the jack people's POV
[17:10] <zequence> Either the code in jackd, or PA, or both needs to be improved
[17:11] <len-1304> There is a "if we didn't put it there it's a packaging problem"
[17:11] <zequence> I don't know which. I only know it's dbus stuff that Poettering wrote, and I have no idea how it's used in the whole scheme of things
[17:11] <len-1304> PA releases the port.
[17:12] <len-1304> PA tells jack it is released? or jack just assumes it asked and tries to grab it.
[17:12] <zequence> It's a mechanism existing in PA, which jackd can interface with through dbus
[17:12] <zequence> jackd asks PA to release the card through dbusd
[17:12] <len-1304> anyway jack seems to try to take it before PA has released.
[17:12] <len-1304> Sometimes it just works. (1 in 20)
[17:12] <zequence> It works fine, as long as PA is not playing something. Which is not how it's supposed to be
[17:13] <zequence> At least for me
[17:13] <zequence> So, anyway, it's a code problem
[17:13] <len-1304> I mean even when PA is streaming
[17:13] <zequence> Yeah, ok.
[17:14] <zequence> qjackctl has a wrapper script that is broken. It's supposed to start with the pasuspender tool, if present. The wrapper script has an error which does not start it. So, I'm going to fix that
[17:14] <len-1304> I have had one or two time audacious streaming and started jack and the stream just switches from going to the port to going through jack.... very nice.
[17:14] <zequence> I'm going to rewrite it, make it only do pasuspender if jackd1 is installed, as jackd2 doesn't need it.
[17:14] <len-1304> We don't want pasuspender. It breacks PA-jack bridging.
[17:15] <zequence> len-1304: We don't want it for jackd2, but we do want it for jackd1
[17:15] <len-1304> OK, we don't ship jack1 though.
[17:15] <zequence> Doesn't matter. Some people need it
[17:15] <len-1304> My thought is fix what we ship first
[17:15] <zequence> And it should work on any Debian derived distro
[17:16] <zequence> I'm doing it in Debian
[17:16] <len-1304> sure makes sense.
[17:18] <len-1304> I'm going to add zita-ajbridge to the seeds. It is only 96k installed (19k DL)
[17:18] <zequence> len-1304: Right. Haven't yet checked what that was
[17:19] <len-1304> It is a high quality, less cpu version of alsa-in
[17:20] <len-1304> It allows adding two cards to jack. No xruns. Even if they are synced it seems to work better than making a muti card in alsa
[17:21] <len-1304> It is possible that the author will make an even lower cpu one for synced cards
[17:21] <zequence> len-1304: I should try that. That's another thing that would be nice to have in -controls. Ability to do multi card setting up
[17:22] <len-1304> using xita-ajbridge it is possible to get lower latencies than with the alsa multi setup.
[17:23] <zequence> For recording studios, that kind of things is gold
[17:23] <len-1304> His standalone reverb is really nice too
[17:24] <len-1304> Anyway, I am going to add zita-ajbridge.
[17:25] <zequence> someone give me a million dollars and a team of developers, please
[17:25] <len-1304> It would be nice to have a tool like qjackctl that deals with a2j and zita-ajbridge as well as jack because these are things that would all be started at the same time.
[17:26] <astraljava> zequence: I'll be happy to be one of that team, please. :)
[17:26] <len-1304> Using a script started by qjackctl is less than optimal.
[17:26] <zequence> astraljava: Let me just buy a lotto ticket first
[17:26] <astraljava> B(u)y all means.
[17:31] <len-1304> zequence, It appears we should set the sound cards to default to 48K
[17:33] <len-1304> There was a really good discussion as to why in LAU. And there seems to be more than one reason for us to do so
[17:34] <zequence> len-1304: You're talking about ~/.jackrc, right?
[17:34] <zequence> or .jackdrc
[17:34] <zequence> ..I mean
[17:37] <zequence> hmm, nope. qjackctl doesn't edit that file
[17:38] <zequence> ah, yes it does
[17:39] <zequence> The file is changed only after starting jack after changing settings in qjackctl
[17:39] <zequence> I'd assume jackdbus uses those settings, no matter from where you start it?
[17:39] <zequence> jackd, started from the command line, needs arguments
[17:40] <zequence> But not jackdbus, when using jack_control
[17:42] <zequence> len-1304: So, change the default settings in qjackctl?
[17:43] <zequence> no, jack_control starts jack without that file present
[17:44] <zequence> And qjackctl I think has it's own savefile for settings, but edits the jackdrc when starting jackd
[17:47] <zequence> So, where does qjackctl get the default config?
[17:53] <zequence> len-1304: From what it seems, the default config is in the source for qjackctl. There's no file that can be altered in the package. The change needs to be done upstream
[17:55] <zequence> In src/qjackctlSetup.cpp
[17:55] <zequence> The line: preset.iSampleRate  = m_settings.value("/SampleRate", 44100).toInt();
[17:56] <zequence> line 360
[17:57] <zequence> len-1304: You could take it up with the author
[18:32] <zequence> Either done upstream, or add a patch in the Debian or Ubuntu package
[18:45] <len-1304> zequence, sorry went for breakfast :)
[18:45] <len-1304> looking through the man page for jack_control explains a bit how qjackctl must work too.
[18:46] <zequence> len-1304: man page?
[18:46] <len-1304> when settings are set with qjackctl (one at a time over dbus) it appears jackdbus saves the config.
[18:46] <zequence> I haven't found any docs on it. Assumed there was no manpage
[18:47] <len-1304> Oops you are right... jack_control --help?
[18:47] <zequence> len-1304: Nope
[18:47] <len-1304> nope
[18:47] <len-1304> jack_control with no
[18:48] <len-1304> on it's own
[18:48] <zequence> Ah
[18:48] <len-1304> I knew I had seen it somewhere
[18:48] <len-1304> Everything qjackctl does can be done from jack)control for server start
[18:49] <len-1304> But it takes another command to do connections
[18:49] <zequence> Another jack tool, yes
[18:51] <len-1304> qjackctl config is stored in ~/.config/rncbc.org
[18:52] <len-1304> in QjackCtl.conf
[18:52] <len-1304> including sample rate
[18:52] <zequence> Yes, but there's no default config file though
[18:52] <zequence> So, there's no way to replace it
[18:52] <len-1304> /etc/skel
[18:52] <zequence> Ah, ok
[18:53] <len-1304> (not there now, but could be)
[18:53] <len-1304> micahg, wouldn't like it :)
[18:53] <zequence> len-1304: But, considering there was a good reason to change to 48kHz, why not do it upstream so everyone gets the benefit of the change
[18:54] <len-1304> Yup. Is it something the author chose? debian? or ubuntu?
[18:54] <zequence> It's in the code, so it's the author
[18:54] <zequence> If the author doesn't want to change it, we can add a debian patch in the package
[18:55] <zequence> But, if it in deed is the best choice, than I guess the author wouldn't mind changing it
[18:56] <len-1304> He was probably thinking the way I was (before some better minds explained) that if it is made for CD why not start in the finish format.
[18:57] <len-1304> However, 48k means a less sharp roll off at the top end about 1/4 less processing.
[18:57] <len-1304> and less in band effects.
[18:58] <len-1304>  The sample rate change at export for cd is the same (same code in fact) as a low pass filter.
[18:59] <len-1304> We support video as well. Video audio is standard at 48k
[19:00] <len-1304> Many cards are designed around 48k with 44.1k added as an after thought sometime with less care/poorer quality components/design as well.
[19:02] <len-1304> ... thats the quick recap.
[19:04] <zequence> len-1304: I'm sure Rui reads the list. I missed the posts about this myself, and don't have a good idea of the problem. You could take it up here https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/qjackctl-devel
[19:04] <len-1304> zequence, we should Talk to David H as well about setting PA to default to 48K as well. Ask if it would hurt any of the desktop operation. (It doesn't seem to have on my netbook)
[19:05] <zequence> I don't think you can set PA rate. It's application based, isn't it?
[19:06] <len-1304> Rui only seems to post announcements on there, so I don't know that he reads through.
[19:06] <zequence> It plays any samplerates
[19:06] <len-1304> PA has a default rate setting in its config.
[19:06] <zequence> Some on the fly conversion probably
[19:06] <zequence> Oh?
[19:06] <len-1304> I had to change it on my netbook for a built in mic problem
[19:06] <len-1304> The built in mic is a 48k device only.
[19:06] <zequence> You could ask for a merge to the source too
[19:06] <zequence> http://sourceforge.net/p/qjackctl/code/743/tree/
[19:07] <zequence> With an explanation of the problem
[19:07] <len-1304> It has extra nioce when run at 44.2
[19:07] <zequence> I could prepare the patch for you, if you want. I just don't know what to tell him about this
[19:07] <len-1304> *noise
[19:07] <len-1304> I should talk to him first.
[19:08] <len-1304> If he has a reason for 44.1 that is fine by me.
[19:09] <zequence> I'm sure he reads the mail list. There are other ways to contact him too. His personal forum http://www.rncbc.org/drupal/
[19:09] <zequence> Or just email him
[19:10] <len-1304> I have emailed him before so I have it here.
[19:17] <len-1304> I will ask if qjackctl looks at any environment variables. It may be we can set default rate as well as default device... it would be nice to do it once for both PA and jackd
[19:38] <len-1304> Ubuntu doesn't set anything


[15:42] <Pici> 45
[18:36] <akgraner> pleia2, do you know what the new wiki page or the link to the new wiki page that tells how to contribute to the fridge is?
[18:36] <pleia2> lemme dig it up
[18:36] <akgraner> awesome I need to add it to the book chapter :-)
[18:39] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge/Submit
[18:39] <pleia2> it needs polish, but it's on our todo list
[18:42] <pleia2> in fact, I'll work on that this week
[18:48] <akgraner> thanks pleia2 just as long as we can do it by June :-)
[18:49] <pleia2> :)


[12:23] <geser> imbrandon: does aurora has problems again?
[03:18] <Fujitsu> Are we keeping beryl and co. around for any particular reason? emerald/heliodor have already been removed, and the new compiz is meant to replace them...
[03:50] <nixternal> I want to play with the compiz fusion, but when I install it here I don't get the borders..and I can't use it on my big box because it has a Radeon
[03:52] <Vorian> nixternal, which card?
[03:52] <Vorian> and howdy :)
[03:52] <nixternal> 9700
[03:52] <nixternal> howdy mr. Vorian :)
[03:52] <Vorian> open drivers don't work?
[03:53] <nixternal> open drivers don't work with a 1440x900
[03:53] <Vorian> :-/
[03:53] <Vorian> no fun
[03:53] <Vorian> emerald --replace no workie either ?
[03:54] <nixternal> haven't tried emerald..isn't that a beryl thing?
[03:54] <Vorian> ah, that's what fusion is all about :)
[03:54] <nixternal> and I thought you couldn't use the binary blogs
[03:54] <Vorian> try this diddy
[03:54] <nixternal> blobs
[03:54] <Vorian> compiz --replace -c emerald &
[03:54] <nixternal> heh
[03:54] <Vorian> it should activate your default emerald theme
[03:56] <nixternal> can I still mess with the fusion stuff?
[03:56] <Vorian> yepper
[03:56] <nixternal> sweet arse then
[03:56] <Vorian> \o/
[03:56] <Vorian> it's fun stuff
[03:57] <nixternal> are there any funky settings with the binary blobs I need to do in xorg.conf?
[03:57] <Vorian> I havent had to
[03:57] <Vorian> but I have an older radeon
[03:58] <Vorian> actually
[03:58] <Vorian> the setting will be the same as beryl
[04:20] <nixternal> bah
[04:21] <Fujitsu> nixternal: What went wrong?
[04:22] <nixternal> some silly texture error with it
[04:22] <nixternal> I am gonna go enjoy some pizza now
[04:22] <Fujitsu> There's some special xorg.conf setting you need for ATI cards.
[04:56] <Fujitsu> Lutin: Are you going to merge gtk2hs at some point? It currently has unmetdeps, and the Debian package fixes that.
[04:59] <bronson> Anyone know how to create an apt mirror from packages on an ISO?
[04:59] <bronson> (I'm trying to install Gutsy but my machine doesn't have a CD-ROM drive...  Any way to feed tribe2's packages over the net?)
[05:01] <TheMuso> StevenK: Mind if I take your ecasound2.2 merge?
[05:24] <StevenK> TheMuso: Not at all. I touched it for the libflac transition.
[05:25] <StevenK> Fujitsu: I doubt it. File a removal bug, it worked for emerald. :-)
[05:25] <StevenK> bronson: I've done it before, it's just messy.
[05:26] <StevenK> bronson: Requires a second Linux machine, too.
[05:26] <bronson> StevenK:   Messy?  Yikes.  That's a shame.
[05:26] <bronson> Did you write anything up?
[05:27] <TheMuso> StevenK: Ok, filed syncs on ecasound2.2 and ecawave, as the transition has now been done in Debian.
[05:27] <StevenK> Not so much. Mainly because I did it around 3 years ago. :-)
[05:27] <StevenK> TheMuso: Excellent.
[05:27] <bronson> Maybe I should just try to serve the packages off the iso over nfs or something...?
[05:27] <bronson> Bummer.  Owell, thanks for saving me from that dead end.  :)
[05:27] <StevenK> One of those two didn't build, do they both now build?
[05:28] <TheMuso> Yeah.
[05:32] <StevenK> Actually, I was wrong, but that's okay. :-)
[05:38] <TheMuso> Wrong?
[05:39] <StevenK> They both built, from what I can recall.
[05:40] <TheMuso> ah ok
[05:40] <TheMuso> Well they did for me as well, so thats all good.
[05:44] <StevenK> Yay!
[05:46] <Fujitsu> Why do we still have a lot of libapache-mod-* around? Shouldn't those have vanished?
[05:47] <Fujitsu> They make up more than 1/5 of the universe unmetdeps.
[05:49] <StevenK> The problem with that is, all of these bugs have been filed on them in Debian saying, "Fix your package to work with Apache 2 or remove it" and none of them have done anything.
[05:50] <StevenK> I'm loathe to remove 25 libapache-* packages if Debian is going to fix 23 of them, just not right away.
[05:51] <Fujitsu> These are libapache-* source packages.
[05:51] <Fujitsu> Surely they're not likely to be producing apache2 binaries in the near future.
[05:54] <StevenK> Heh, yay!
[05:56] <Fujitsu> Hm, are we going to want an upgrade path from Feisty's beryl?
[05:56] <ScottK> If by 'we' you mean me, then No.
[05:56] <ScottK> ;-)
[05:57] <Fujitsu> I don't see how we can, as it's all very different.
[05:57] <Fujitsu> Hi ScottK.
[05:57] <ScottK> Hi Fujitsu
[06:08] <bharanee> hello
[06:08] <bharanee> ;
[06:11] <Megaqwerty> could anyone point me to a guide for signing .deb files? (For a repository)
[07:43] <man-di> hello persia
[07:43] <persia> Hi man-di
[07:52] <man-di> persia: when two packages need to be synced at the same time, one from main and another from universe, should I subscribe ubuntu-archive to both?
[07:54] <persia> man-di: If it needs to be at exactly the same time, it should be one bug (and remember that you need a developer ACK before subscribing ubuntu-archive).  If the dependency is one-way, two bugs is OK (but one bug may be preferred), but I'd recommend feeding them one at a time.  In general, if you know in advance, I think one bug is better.
[07:54] <StevenK> Download 16Mb. Build fails. Patch. Rinse and repeat.
[07:55] <man-di> persia: hmmm, okay
[07:55] <persia> StevenK: What about local mirroring or using a proxy, or are you just short processor power today?
[07:55] <man-di> persia: I have already two bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ant/+bug/98638 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ow-util-ant-tasks/+bug/124699
[07:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 98638 in ant "Upgrade to 1.7.0" [Undecided,New]
[07:56] <man-di> persia: I think will need doko to ACK this
[07:56] <man-di> persia: thx
[07:57] <persia> man-di: For main, you need a main ACK.  Those who you work with are probably your best choice, but you may get some benefit from the ubuntu-main-sponsors queue.
[07:58] <man-di> persia: you mean subscribing to ubuntu-main-sponsors?
[07:58] <persia> man-di: Just out of curiosity, how does the upgrade to ant affect netbeans?
[07:58] <man-di> persia: it shouldnt
[07:58] <persia> man-di: Right.  I don't know much about their queue processing procedure, but the queue does exist.
[07:59] <man-di> persia: I rebuild nearly all packages which B-D on ant and found only the ow-util-ant-tasks issue
[07:59] <man-di> I dont rebuild openoffice with new ant
[07:59] <persia> man-di: Ah.  Good.  I worry about API changes, but perhaps it was only some interfaces :)
[07:59] <man-di> I found one API change
[08:00] <man-di> which broke ow-util-ant-tasks
[08:00] <man-di> but I have to say I havent tested netbeans
[08:01] <man-di> its not in Debian main yet
[08:01] <man-di> I work with SUN to get it in
[08:04] <StevenK> man-di: Is sear any closer to being uploaded?
[08:06] <man-di> nope, I wait for eris 1.3.12 coming out of NEW and guichan which needs a library transition and maintainer is moving and has no internet access yet
[08:07] <man-di> StevenK: I think I will just do guichan
[08:07] <man-di> I'm his sponsor and he said I can do all I want with this packages
[08:07] <man-di> but I dont like to do work others should do, I have a lot of other tasks
[08:10] <man-di> StevenK: and sear doesnt build in current unstable
[08:41] <man-di> I wonder what to do with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ant/+bug/43973 ? Are bugs in hoary still considered to be fixed?
[08:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 43973 in ant "ant 1.6.2-2ubuntu2 has ant version 1.6.5, not 1.6.2" [Medium,New]
[08:42] <Fujitsu> man-di: No. Hoary has been unsupported for 8 months.
[08:42] <man-di> Fujitsu: then just close the bug?
[08:42] <Fujitsu> man-di: That's right.
[08:42] <man-di> thx Fujitsu
[08:42] <Fujitsu> np
[08:42] <man-di> as "Invalid"?
[08:43] <Fujitsu> Hm... Hard to say.
[08:43] <Fujitsu> Invalid will do, as it's not a valid complaint for any current version.
[08:43] <man-di> its definitely not Fix Released
[08:43] <man-di> I will use Invalid
[08:43] <Fujitsu> If it had a Hoary distrorelease task, it would be wontfix, but Invalid is correct here.
[08:45] <man-di> where can I find the dates for support for each distro?
[08:48] <Fujitsu> man-di: It's mentioned in the release announcement, and it's not difficult to work out from the version number.
[08:48] <Fujitsu> There's also a table on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28Linux_distribution%29
[08:49] <Fujitsu> But I don't know of an official page giving such information.
[09:37] <RAOF> It's nice and quiet here, so I'll drop in some of my stupidity.  I've re-arranged my keyboard to be dvorak... but my Sid install is on crypt-lvm, and the luks prompt isnt dvorak, and I can't remember querty well enough! :(
[09:38] <TheMuso> haha
[09:38] <TheMuso> Hobbsee!!
[09:38] <Hobbsee> TheMuso!!!
[09:38] <RAOF> Hey Hobbsee, TheMuso :)
[09:39] <RAOF> I wanted to see if I could help do some nouveau testing, but that's trapped behind impenetrable crypto :)
[09:41] <TheMuso> Well that was smart.
[09:41] <RAOF> Absolutely
[09:42] <StevenK> RAOF: I can type out the layout if that helps. :-)
[09:43] <RAOF> Oooh. I probably have a game keyboard cheatsheet somewhere :)
[09:43] <Fujitsu> RAOF: Hahah.
[09:43] <RAOF> :P
[09:50] <Fujitsu> Heh. Why?
[09:51] <Fujitsu> One pixel, hey?  In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.7-2ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 2976 kB, installed size 6096 kB
[09:52] <Fujitsu> Ah. KDE. 'nuff said.
[09:52] <StevenK> Hah
[09:52] <StevenK> Hrm.
[09:52] <StevenK> Why can't I ssh into anything?
[09:53] <StevenK> I get SERVICE_ACCEPT, and then nothing.
[09:53] <DarkSun88> Giorno
[09:53] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[09:53] <Fujitsu> StevenK: How long have you waited?
[09:54] <StevenK> Still waiting.
[09:55] <Fujitsu> Hm... Haven't seen it that bad before.
[09:59] <StevenK> connect(4, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/tmp/ssh-UJVxkX1674/agent.1674.seahorse"}, 110 <unfinished ...>
[09:59] <StevenK> Ah ha
[10:01] <StevenK> Right, fixed.
[10:07] <Fujitsu> Hah.
[10:14] <Fujitsu> Hmm... dcc 1.3.42-4build1 has been published on all archs but sparc, but the sparc build finished almost 4 hours ago. Is that really normal?
[10:18] <StevenK> Check NEW?
[10:18] <StevenK> Maybe?
[10:18] <Fujitsu> StevenK: I guess that's a possibility that I hadn't thought of.
[10:18] <Fujitsu> No :(
[10:19] <StevenK> Maybe it failed to upload.
[10:20] <Fujitsu> Possible.
[10:20] <Fujitsu> Is there a history thing like there is for sources?
[10:21] <StevenK> No idea.
[10:21] <persia> Fujitsu: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue (and also look at "Accepted")
[10:22] <Fujitsu> persia: I meant a page like that one finds if one browses to http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/somesourcepackage
[10:22] <Fujitsu> gutsy sparc Release: Published version 1.3.42-4build1 in component universe and section mail 3 hours ago
[10:22] <Fujitsu> But it hasn't hit archive.u.c yet :S
[10:23] <persia> Fujitsu: Ah.  I don't know of anything like that.
[10:23] <StevenK> Probably needs someone to dig through logs on drescher.
[10:24] <Fujitsu> There is a (very ugly) publishing history on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/sparc/dcc-common/, it turns out.
[10:24] <Fujitsu> StevenK: That's what I thought. I'll poke someone when I see them.
[10:24] <Fujitsu> Is dak this hungry?
[10:30] <jussi01> morning all!
[10:30] <Fujitsu> Hi jussi01.
[10:31] <jussi01> hey Fujitsu
[02:00] <DktrKranz> could you please have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5924? thank you.
[02:04] <persia> Hmmm...  I thought that was supposed to be part of the php-universe package.
[02:11] <mruiz> ping anibal
[02:41] <ranf> hello
[02:43] <tuxmaniac> Any idea of how much badwidth will be consumed in setting up a pbuilder environment?
[02:43] <geser> Fujitsu: any idea where to look for build logs for ppa?
[02:44] <man-di> tuxmaniac: my pbuilder tarballs are around 100 MB, so when you count on 200 MB per pbuilder you are on the save side
[02:44] <man-di> safe
[02:44] <tuxmaniac> man-di, thanks
[02:45] <TheMuso> Note that yo uwill still need disk space for package building, as well as downloaded dependencies.
[02:45] <ryanakca> hmm... since #debian-devel seems to be dead, can a debian maintainer/dev reupload 'aoeui' please? (It got rejected because the copyright file said "GPLv2 or later" instead of "GPLv2 _only_"...)
[02:46] <ryanakca> `dget http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/a/aoeui/aoeui_1.0~alpha5-1.dsc`
[02:46] <Fujitsu> geser: I think you'll have to check the history of the individual buildds, or links in the email.
[02:46] <ranf> Does anybody know where I find a text version of " LDP GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE"? Closest I found is here: http://tldp.org/LDP-COPYRIGHT.html
[02:50] <tuxmaniac> can i create a gutsy pbuilder environment being in Feisty?
[02:50] <ryanakca> tuxmaniac: yes
[02:50] <Fujitsu> tuxmaniac: Yes, but you'll need the Gutsy debootstrap package.
[02:51] <tuxmaniac> because it seems like the debootstrap gutsy package
[02:51] <tuxmaniac> Fujitsu, true. thats exactly the problem
[02:51] <tuxmaniac> :)
[02:51] <Fujitsu> Why not install it?
[02:52] <tuxmaniac> Fujitsu, install gutsy or the debootstrap package for gutsy?
[02:52] <Fujitsu> deboostrap package.
[02:52] <ryanakca> wget http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_1.0.0_all.deb && sudo dpkg -i debootstrap_1.0.0_all.deb
[02:52] <tuxmaniac> Fujitsu, how do I do that. by default it downloads the feisty one
[02:53] <ryanakca> tuxmaniac: ^^
[02:53] <tuxmaniac> ryanakca, aah thanks
[02:54] <tuxmaniac> ryanakca, connection refused :-(
[02:54] <ryanakca> tuxmaniac: pick a random server from http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=all&file=pool%2Fmain%2Fd%2Fdebootstrap%2Fdebootstrap_1.0.0_all.deb&md5sum=f03872a3ba1fa96f9b46d6cb660aefef&arch=all&type=main
[02:55] <tuxmaniac> ok
[02:56] <ryanakca> and I'll be back in a bit.
[02:56] <StevenK> slomo: libdbus-glib-1-2 depends on libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.1.1) ; to answer your question with what's going on about glib-dbus.
[02:56] <tuxmaniac> it works. pbuilder env is getting created
[02:56] <tuxmaniac> thanks a lot peopkle
[03:26] <tuxmaniac> where does the base.tgz get installed? I am unable to find it in /var/cache/pbuilder
[03:27] <geser> /var/cache/pbuilder should be the right place
[03:27] <geser> did you run pbuilder create ?
[03:27] <tuxmaniac> geser, yes I did
[03:27] <tuxmaniac> it said install successful
[03:28] <tuxmaniac> geser, no. It aborted with an error :S
[03:28] <tuxmaniac> sorry
[03:40] <tuxmaniac> having problems here. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29099/ Any pointers?
[03:41] <Hobbsee> tuxmaniac: means that gutsy is broken at the moment
[03:41] <Hobbsee> tuxmaniac: suggest you create a feisty pbuilder, then dist-upgrade that
[03:42] <tuxmaniac> Hobbsee, hmmm ok
[03:53] <tuxmaniac> Hobbsee, thanks. I did not eveen think that gutsy was broken and was wondering whats wrong with my commands :-) Stupid me!
[03:53] <Hobbsee> tuxmaniac: :)
[03:54] <Hobbsee> tuxmaniac: see http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/gutsy_probs.html
[03:54] <tuxmaniac> eeks
[03:58] <Hobbsee> yeah.  that'll be fun to sort out :)
[03:59] <geser> no risk, no fun :)
[04:00] <Hobbsee> geser: how's apt going?
[04:03] <geser> still trying
[04:06] <jussi01> hmmm, can someone tell me how to ssh into a remote machine? ie. me--router--internet--his router (5 machines attatched) -- him ?
[04:06] <Fujitsu> jussi01: You'd need some port-forwarding set up.
[04:06] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: apt breakage
[04:06] <StevenK> jussi01: A port forward on his router.
[04:07] <jussi01> ok, is there a specific port i should use?
[04:08] <minghua> port 22
[04:08] <jussi01> ok, thanks a lot!
[04:08] <minghua> and it's his port 22, not yours
[04:08] <jussi01> yeah :)
[04:17] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: if you're bored, you could always attempt to fix apt into building :P
[04:20] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: At 12:30? I don't think so :P
[04:21] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: sure!  it's a great time to code
[04:21] <Hobbsee> hi asac
[04:30] <Kmos> Hobbsee: http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/balazar.html -> can you update this one from debian unstable
[04:30] <Kmos> ?
[04:31] <Hobbsee> Kmos: can i update it?  as in, sync/merge it?
[04:31] <Kmos> Hobbsee: i need to check first if it can be synced or merged
[04:31] <Kmos> :)
[04:32] <Hobbsee> Kmos: indeed.
[04:32] <Kmos> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/b/balazar/balazar_0.3.3.ds1-1/changelog
[04:32] <man-di> Wow. Ubuntu Linux on german TV
[04:33] <Kmos> Hobbsee: i think it can be synced.. i'm right ?
[04:33] <Hobbsee> Kmos: why do you think that?
[04:33] <Kmos> i checked http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/balazar/news/20070701T151704Z.html (new version)
[04:33] <Kmos> and http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/b/balazar/balazar_0.3.3.ds1-1/changelog
[04:34] <Kmos> nothing specific related to ubuntu
[04:34] <Hobbsee> correct
[04:34] <Hobbsee> you are right, it is a sync
[04:34] <Kmos> :)
[04:34] <Kmos> i report a bug with it ?
[04:34] <Kmos> or you will handle it now ?
[04:34] <Kmos> without report
[04:34] <Hobbsee> and i can approve it
[04:35] <Hobbsee> however, i can file the bug using requestsync from here, which saves a sponsor from approving it later
[04:35] <Hobbsee> done
[04:36] <Kmos> Hobbsee: nice, thx
[04:36] <Hobbsee> no problem
[04:36] <Kmos> Hobbsee: the command to do it.. if isn't done by you.. it's requestsync balazar feisty ?
[04:36] <Kmos> $ requestsync balazar feisty
[04:36] <Hobbsee> gutsy.  you want to sync it to gutsy.
[04:36] <Hobbsee> and you want to use -s, because you need a sponsor for it
[04:36] <Kmos> :)
[04:36] <Hobbsee> because you're not a MOTU or core dev
[04:37] <Kmos> exactly
[04:37] <Kmos> kmos@bash:~$ requestsync balazar gutsy
[04:37] <Kmos> Traceback (most recent call last):
[04:37] <Kmos>   File "/usr/bin/requestsync", line 52, in <module>
[04:37] <Kmos>     (cur_ver, component) = cur_version_component(srcpkg, release)
[04:37] <minghua> Speaking of sync requests, can a non-core MOTU request a main package sync?
[04:37] <Kmos>   File "/usr/bin/requestsync", line 22, in cur_version_component
[04:37] <Kmos>     raise Exception('apt-cache madison does not contain %s/%s' % (sourcepkg, release))
[04:37] <Kmos> Exception: apt-cache madison does not contain balazar/gutsy
[04:37] <Kmos> minghua: yes
[04:37] <minghua> Kmos: Thanks.
[04:37] <Kmos> i've updated gqview that's in main
[04:37] <Hobbsee> minghua: sure
[04:37] <Kmos> and asked a motu for upload
[04:37] <Hobbsee> minghua: you may want ot use -s though
[04:37] <Kmos> sponsor :)
[04:38] <Fujitsu> minghua: Not wihout sponsorship.
[04:38] <Hobbsee> Kmos: is ubuntu-main-sponsors subscribed to the bug?
[04:38] <minghua> Ah, I meant to ask "request without sponsor".
[04:38] <Hobbsee> minghua: not usually
[04:38] <minghua> Thanks guys, especially Fujitsu for guessing what I really meant. :-)
[04:38] <Hobbsee> minghua: i mean, they *might* accept it, if you're known to work a lot in that area, and so they take it that you know what you're doing.  but in teh general case, no
[04:39] <Kmos> bug 124744
[04:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124744 in balazar "Please sync balazar (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124744
[04:39] <Kmos> Hobbsee: it's ubuntu-archive
[04:39] <Hobbsee> Kmos: ...ENOCONTEXT
[04:39] <Hobbsee> Kmos: which bug are you talking about, w.r.t ubuntu-archive?
[04:40] <Kmos> i think you talk about balazar
[04:40] <Hobbsee> Kmos: that balazar sync is correct.  that has ubuntu-archive subscribed.
[04:40] <Kmos> ok
[04:40] <Kmos> so what are you talking about ? =)
[04:41] <Kmos> gqview is already release
[04:41] <Kmos> the package i've done some time ago
[04:41] <Hobbsee> ah right.  the way you said it, you made it seem as if it was waiting for upload
[04:42] <Kmos> :-)
[04:42] <Kmos> geser has done it
[04:42] <Kmos> Hobbsee: bug 115578
[04:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115578 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  Gfreqlet" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115578
[04:42] <Kmos> now i need this one..
[04:43] <Hobbsee> then it clearly wasnt for main...
[04:43] <Kmos> this one is for universe :)
[04:43] <Hobbsee> you just said it was in main.... "i've updated gqview that's in main'
[04:44] <Kmos> i've updated the package :) hehe
[04:45] <Kmos> i'm not an ubuntu/motu member, so i can't do nothing
[04:45] <Kmos> =)
[04:45] <Hobbsee> oh, so locally or something.  right.
[04:45] <DarkMageZ> double negative equals a positive. so you can do something.
[04:46] <Hobbsee> oh wait.  you have updated it, and gqview even *is* in main.  but i'm betting that geser didnt sponsor it.
[04:46] <Kmos> Hobbsee: geser is my sponsor.. but for that one i can't remember
[04:47] <Kmos> if keescock or crimsun upload it
[04:47] <Kmos> but geser checked it
[04:47] <Hobbsee> ah, right
[04:47] <StevenK> crimsun uploaded it
[04:47] <Kmos> =)
[04:49] <Kmos> StevenK: want something to do ? bug 121858
[04:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121858 in squeak-vm "Please upgrade to new upstream version 3.9" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121858
[04:49] <Kmos> hehe
[04:50] <Hobbsee> Kmos: you should probably ask ogra first about that one, before you touch it
[04:50] <Hobbsee> seeing as he's in ubuntu, and he's listed as the maintainer
[04:50] <Kmos> Hobbsee: he's subscribed to the bug for that
[04:50] <Hobbsee> true
[04:51] <Kmos> i've done it =)
[04:51] <StevenK> Kmos: I'm already doing something, kthxbye
[04:51] <Kmos> so i wont touch it
[04:51] <Kmos> StevenK :)
[04:52] <superm1> it is legal to ship a file in /etc/mysql/conf.d that will override settings in /etc/mysql/my.cnf, correct?
[04:57] <sacater> can I please speak to a planet ubuntu savv
[04:57] <sacater> savvy*
[04:57] <Hobbsee> !ask
[04:57] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:14] <sacater> Hobbsee: k
[05:14] <sacater> I want to speak to a planet ubuntu savvy
[05:14] <Hobbsee> that's not a question
[05:14] <Hobbsee> !someone
[05:14] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[05:18] <sacater> is there a planet ubuntu savvy here
[05:18] <Hobbsee> you dont appaer to get it...
[05:18] <Hobbsee> sacater: the answer to that will depend on how savvy they need to be to answer your, as yet, unknown question.
[05:18] <Hobbsee> so, on balance, no there isnt.
[05:19] <Nafallo> sacater: why don't you just ask your question instead of asking if someone is able to answer what you haven't asked? :-)
[05:20] <Hobbsee> mmm...sometime
[05:20] <minghua> IIRC sacater asked earlier here about he/she not being able to put his/her RSS feed onto planet ubuntu.
[05:20] <minghua> Not sure if it's still the same problem though.
[05:23] <pochu> !planet
[05:23] <ubotu> Planet Ubuntu (blogs of Ubuntu developers and members) can be found at http://planet.ubuntu.com
[05:24] <sacater> right
[05:24] <sacater> here is the problem
[05:24] <pochu> sacater: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu
[05:24] <pochu> It's a nice tutorial to add yourself :)
[05:24] <sacater> I have done everything that guide says, and yet my blog posts are not showing on planet ubuntu
[05:24] <sacater> and when you hilight my name down the side
[05:24] <sacater> my feed is linked okay
[05:25] <sacater> but my 'name' is not
[05:25] <pochu> No, it's not.
[05:25] <pochu> sacater: the link is http://sacater.codewiz.net/?cat=3, but it should be a feed.
[05:25] <pochu> e.g. rss, atom...
[05:27] <pochu> sacater: http://sacater.codewiz.net/?cat=3&feed=rss2
[05:27] <pochu> I think that's the good one.
[05:27] <pochu> Which will just show up the posts in the Ubuntu category.
[05:29] <sacater> aha
[05:29] <sacater> didnt realise I could get an rss feed for that particular section
[05:30] <pochu> That's what everybody should have.
[05:30] <sacater> pochu: so if I change cat=3 to cat-3&feed=rss2 might it work?
[05:30] <pochu> cat=3&feed=rss2, yes
[05:30] <sacater> k
[05:30] <pochu> sacater: just try it in a feed reader, e.g. liferea
[05:30] <sacater> let me try changing it
[05:31] <pochu> And you will see whether it works or not :)
[05:31] <pochu> If it works on a feed reader, will work in planet.u.c too.
[05:32] <pochu> And everybody should just feed the Ubuntu entries. I don't think most people care if you have a new dog or things like that...
[05:32] <Nafallo> pochu++
[05:32] <vijay2000> Hi all
[05:32] <vijay2000> can anybody help me with this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29106/
[05:33] <pochu> Or even worse, if you write in [your_LOCALE] , which 95% of us don't understand (unless it's german, since a lot of developers here seem to be german hehe)
[05:33] <minghua> I would feed ubuntu and debian entries if I have a English blog...
[05:34] <pochu> you can just create a 'Planet Ubuntu' and a 'Planet Debian' categories, and feed them.
[05:34] <superm1>  vijay2000, perhaps add libglut3-dev to build-deps
[05:34] <pochu> As sacater is just doing :)
[05:35] <minghua> Nah, creating categories is not the problem; finding interesting things to write about is the problem. :-)
[05:36] <pochu> :)
[05:43] <sacater> pochu: right I think I have done it
[05:46] <sacater> pochu: ill give it a while to update
[05:49] <sacater> YAYS
[05:49] <sacater> it worked!
[05:49] <sacater> now to make a blog post..
[05:57] <pochu> sacater: cool
[05:57] <pochu> and nice that you've added just the Ubuntu category :)
[06:03] <sacater> pochu: :D
[06:03] <sacater> pochu: its spelt hugs btw
[06:03] <sacater> :P
[06:04] <pochu> Oh, right.
[06:04] <pochu> Thanks for it, I really appreciate it! :)
[06:11] <sacater> :P
[06:25] <jekil> hello
[06:26] <jekil> anyone please can review my obextool? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5896
[06:38] <slomo> StevenK: you must use debian's dbus-glib :P Depends: libc6 (>= 2.6), libdbus-1-3 (>= 0.94), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.13.5)
[07:09] <StevenK> slomo: Ah. I'll look at merging dbus-glib, then.
[07:09] <slomo> StevenK: merging?
[07:10] <StevenK> Um, actually dbus-glib in Ubuntu and Debian are the same version...
[07:10] <StevenK> Maybe it needs a rebuild.
[07:11] <slomo> i have no idea where your dbus 1.1 dependency comes from, it's not in the archive
[07:18] <StevenK> slomo: This is strange...
[07:18] <StevenK> slomo: Before I install it:
[07:18] <StevenK> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.6), libdbus-1-3 (>= 0.94), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.13.5)
[07:18] <slomo> yes... the debian binary depends on dbus 1.1 though
[07:19] <StevenK> And then after:
[07:19] <StevenK> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.5-5), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.1.1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.9)
[07:19] <slomo> nice
[07:19] <slomo> the latter can't be built on our buildds
[07:20] <StevenK> But what causes Depends to change on install?!
[07:20] <slomo> we never had glib << 2.13 at the time dbus-glib 0.74 was uploaded
[07:20] <slomo> no idea
[07:21] <StevenK> slomo: Can you reproduce?
[07:21] <slomo> no
[07:21] <StevenK> Hrm. I think I know what's going on.
[07:22] <StevenK> slomo: Hand that dunce cap over there, will you? :-)
[07:23] <vijay2000> Hi can anybody help me with this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29124/
[07:24] <vijay2000> how do i get libqalculate-dev (>= 0.9.4)
[07:24] <vijay2000> my current version is libqalculate-dev (>= 0.9.4)
[07:24] <vijay2000> sorry 0.9.2-1
[07:25] <geser> is that a dapper pbuilder?
[07:25] <man-di> vijay2000: use something more recent than dapper
[07:25] <StevenK> slomo: Thanks for your help.
[07:25] <vijay2000> geser: yes it is a dapper builder
[07:26] <slomo> StevenK: np ;)
[07:26] <vijay2000> man-di: Thanks
[07:26] <geser> then you need to fix the versioned build-depends for this package and see if it builds on dapper
[07:27] <vijay2000> geser: Shall try it out .. thanks for you help
[07:45] <jikanter> if I fix a bug in a package, I am not 100% clear on what to do after that. I ran debdiff on the package. Should I now build and upload to review? Could someone steer me in the correct direction?
[07:45] <jikanter> sorry, revu
[07:45] <Hobbsee> jikanter: attach the debdiff to the bug, and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[07:46] <minghua> jikanter: no need to upload to REVU, just attach the debdiff
[07:46] <jikanter> cool, thanks Hobsee, mingua I appreciate it.
[07:46] <minghua> Hobbsee is always faster :-(
[07:46] <Hobbsee> minghua: not always
[07:47] <StevenK> Yeah, but Christian Edition makes it sound like we're all going to hell.
[07:48] <Q-FUNK> shiver at the thought of remixing Christianity.
[07:49] <jussi01> Hmmm, how do i check if a package is synced or native (tremulous-server)?
[07:49] <Q-FUNK> the version
[07:57] <ScottK> jekil: Did you build your package in a Gutsy pbuilder?  Did it build?  Was the resulting binary lintian/linda clean?
[07:58] <jekil> ScottK: i build it in a feisty pbuilder
[07:59] <ScottK> jekil: You ought to make (by dist-upgrading) a Gutsy pbuilder and test it in that environment.
[07:59] <StevenK> Ugh.
[07:59] <jekil> ScottK: ok, thansk
[07:59] <ScottK> StevenK: Doesn't that line belong to TheMuso?
[07:59] <StevenK> I stole it fair and square, since he's sleeping.
[08:01] <ScottK> Ah.  No problem then.
[08:25] <siretart> slomo: around?
[08:26] <siretart> slomo: I see a new version of seahorse has been uploaded?
[08:41] <icf7> How do I add a "repository" (like "universe", "multiverse" etc.) to an already installed pbuilder? I tried pbuilder update with a config file specifying COMPONENTS="..", but that doesn't seem to have any effect
[08:43] <Biagi> http://biagi.miniville.fr/env
[08:44] <geser> icf7: --override-config when you update your pbuilder should do it
[08:45] <slomo> siretart: yes
[08:45] <icf7> geser: Thanks, I should rtfm next time.
[08:45] <siretart> slomo: to what conclusion did you come regarding the agents? should both be run by default on user login?
[08:46] <slomo> siretart: until there's a better solution (like gnome-session integration) yes
[08:46] <ryanakca> what would be the appropriate version for aoeui 1.0, alpha5? I've been recommended 1.0-1~alpha5.0, so that 1.0-1 is higher, but that causes the problem of naming the .orig.tar.gz...
[08:47] <slomo> at least it will work fine now in all cases, no matter what is running or installed
[08:57] <siretart> slomo: :(
[08:57] <siretart> this means that we always get undefined behavior if both are installed
[09:01] <astronouth7303> when I'm writing my debian control file, is it ok to require any version of a package but then recommend a newer version?
[09:13] <ScottK> astronouth7303: What would be the point?  Unless somebody is holding things back for a reason they will have the newest version they have available.
[09:13] <astronouth7303> debian stable doesn't have python-gtk2 2.10
[09:14] <astronouth7303> and I can code around it
[09:14] <astronouth7303> so I require any version of python-gtk2, but I recommend python-gtk2 >= 2.10
[09:15] <man-di> astronouth7303: what will a user gain if he/she installs a newer version? Will the programm show additional features?
[09:15] <astronouth7303> yes
[09:15] <astronouth7303> StatusIcon
[09:15] <astronouth7303> which is the systray icon
[09:16] <man-di> astronouth7303: but it fully works with the older verions dont supporting systray icon?
[09:16] <astronouth7303> yeah
[09:17] <man-di> then I would just depend on the minimal version
[09:17] <man-di> most people will use the version provided by their distro anyway
[09:17] <astronouth7303> ok
[09:18] <astronouth7303> I just wanted to make sure that it wouldn't freak out the various package managers
[09:32] <ScottK> FYI, MOTU FAQ appears to have lost some info when revised recently.  If you have time, you might want to have a look and see if stuff needs to be added back.
[09:33] <bluekuja> ScottK, thanks for your comment on the list, I think I gonna add a point for that for next motu meeting
[09:33] <bluekuja> ScottK, trying to find a common rule for everyone
[09:36] <bluekuja> (I hope I will be available for that hour, if work will let me^^)
[10:42] <cbx33> anyone here got the nokia n800?
[10:59] <slavik> what is a good place to ask for backports?
[10:59] <Lamego> what package do you like to see backported?
[11:00] <Lamego> would you
[11:00] <slavik> pidgin 2.0.2
[11:00] <slavik> or the upcomming 2.1.0 :)
[11:00] <Lamego> i have an unoffical backport :P
[11:01] <slavik> Lamego: getdeb.net doesn't count :P
[11:01] <Lamego> why not ?
[11:02] <slavik> because they don't :P
[11:02] <Lamego> well, ok, I like that justification for someone who lost some time building it :)
[11:04] <Lamego> lost = spent
[11:07] <sacater> hey, who should I talk to if I want to start a launchpad 'Q+A Day'
[11:07] <TheMuso> Heya folks.
[11:11] <minghua> slavik: I don't know if the page is up-to-date or not, but it has a lot of pointers: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BackportRequestProcess
[11:11] <minghua> hello there TheMuso
[11:12] <cbx33> hey TheMuso
[11:12] <cbx33> howz it going
[11:12] <TheMuso> cbx33: Vey well thanks. Yourself?
[11:12] <cbx33> yeh good
[11:12] <cbx33> hopefully placing an order for a nokia n800
[11:12] <cbx33> pretty excited
[11:14] <TheMuso> I'll bet.
[11:25] <sacater> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QADays
[11:27] <RainCT> sacater: nice idea :)
[11:27] <sacater> RainCT: thank ye
[11:27] <sacater> RainCT: like it says
[11:27] <sacater> RainCT: add your name if you are interested
[11:28] <RainCT> sacater: I'd, but I don't think I could answer much...
[11:30] <sacater> RainCT: its not hard
[11:31] <sacater> there are over 9000 questions
[11:31] <sacater> there must be a few you can do RainCT
[11:32] <RainCT> :p
[11:32] <RainCT> sacater: well, will try then
[11:33] <sacater> RainCT: add your name :D
[11:33] <RainCT> sacater: already done ;)
[11:33] <sacater> RainCT: promote it around a bit for me :D
[11:34] <RainCT> sacater: but I want you to digg http://www.digg.com/linux_unix/QtTube... lool
[11:35] <sacater> RainCT: looking
[11:35] <RainCT> sacater: (just joking :P, well but would be nice :)). will tell about it on the Catalan LoCo meeting (running now) later :)
[11:36] <sacater> RainCT: k
[11:36] <sacater> RainCT: im adding a few more feilds
[11:42] <RainCT> sacater: the table was broken, repaired it :P
[11:43] <sacater> RainCT: ty
[11:43] <sacater> RainCT: add your details on the extra tables :P
[11:51] <RainCT> good night
[11:56] <ryanakca> hmm... I have a build machine (<IP_ADDRESS>) so that pbuilder doesn't slow up my desktop... I have ssh keys set up, any way to dput my sources to <IP_ADDRESS>, instead of having to open up SFTP?
[11:59] <minghua> ryanakca: what is the problem of using sftp?
[12:00] <ryanakca> minghua: I'm lazy... :) In fact, I'm kindof interested in setting up a build daemon so that the whole process is automated for me :)
[12:00] <ryanakca> And, just for the fun of it... a challenge (so I hope)
[12:01] <minghua> Setting up buildd is not for lazy people AFAIK. :-)
[12:01] <ryanakca> meh, It's a challenge :)


[06:21] <superm1> antnash_: yeah you should be able to fine
[15:01] <sidewalk> how do i change resolution in mythbuntu from the default to something else?
[15:02] <sidewalk> n/m
[15:54] <goibhniu> Hi, I just asked a question on #mythtv-users, but it might be more relevant here ...
[15:54] <goibhniu> when I run mythfilldatabase as the mythtv user it updates correctly and "Backend Status" in MythWeb reports it as successful, but when I let it run itself I get "mythfilldatabase ran, but did not insert any new data into the Guide for  1 of 1 sources. This can indicate a potential grabber failure." and I'm not sure how to debug this
[15:54] <goibhniu> I can't see any mention of mythfilldatabase in cron etc.
[15:54] <goibhniu> the output when I run it looks identical to the log in mythbackend.log
[15:55] <goibhniu> I guess i could just run mythfilldatabase in a cron job .. but I must surely have something misconfigured
[17:41] <tgm4883> goibhniu, mythfilldatabase doesn't run via cron, the backend spawns i
[17:41] <tgm4883> it
[17:43] <goibhniu> thanks .. someone on #mythtv-users suggested to avoid trying to get the guide from both EIT and XMLTV, so I can try that
[17:43] <goibhniu> I guess I have to wait until it gets run again to find out
[17:44] <tgm4883> goibhniu, you're getting something like this  Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2011-11-12 03:00:39 and ended on 2011-11-12 03:00:39. mythfilldatabase ran, but did not insert any new data into the Guide for 3 of 3 sources. This can indicate a potential grabber failure.
[17:44] <goibhniu> exactly
[17:44] <tgm4883> I get that too, but I still get data. Been too busy to look into it
[17:44] <goibhniu> oh .. well .. the number of days of listings goes down every day
[17:45] <tgm4883> hmm, yours sounds different then
[17:45] <tgm4883> I have 15 days guide data
[17:45] <tgm4883> SD only
[17:46] <goibhniu> ah ok
[17:48] <goibhniu> does anyone happen to be using MythExport? .. I'm not sure if the ffmpeg parameters are just out of date
[17:48] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, ^
[17:49] <goibhniu> with the default H264 profiles it fails saying it can't find a slowfirstpass profile
[17:50] <goibhniu> with the older ones it says e.g. the -ab parameter is wrong .. it should be 192k but it actually is 192kb .. and it doesn't like that "b"
[17:50]  * goibhniu might be using the wrong ffmpeg?
[17:50] <tgm4883> goibhniu, I don't use mythexport, but rhpot1991 developed it so he should know
[17:50] <goibhniu> cool, thanks
[17:51] <goibhniu> I need to go do some shopping now, I'll check back later
[17:51] <goibhniu> I assume I can come up with some ffmpeg incantation that will do the job
[18:56] <rhpot1991> goibhniu: what version of mythbuntu/ubuntu?
[19:00] <rhpot1991> goibhniu: incase I'm not here when you get back, the easiest way to test is to go grab the ffmpeg line from the config in /usr/share/mythexport
[19:00] <rhpot1991> run it by hand and replace the input/output file names, etc
[19:00] <rhpot1991> you can see what its yelling about then, correct then update your config
[19:01] <rhpot1991> if its one of the configs that came packaged or from my website let me know and I'll update it
[21:03] <goibhniu> hi rhpot1991, I'm running mythbuntu 11.10, I've tried both the two configs that come with MythExport and the other two from your website
[21:03] <goibhniu> I'm not familiar with ffmpeg profiles, but both of the H264 configs fail with: "File for preset 'slowfirstpass' not found"
[21:05] <goibhniu> I gather it should find something in "/usr/share/ffmpeg/"
[21:05] <goibhniu> e.g. `ffmpeg -i /myth/recordings/1003_20111110193000.mpg -y -pass 1 -an -vcodec libx264 -vpre slowfirstpass -vpre ipod320 -b 1500kb -bt 1000kb -threads 0 -s 480x320 -aspect 16:9 -f ipod /myth/videos/out.mp4`
[21:14] <goibhniu> `ls /usr/share/ffmpeg/` looks like this: http://sprunge.us/HdDT
[21:14] <Zinn> [sprunge.us] N/A
[21:16] <goibhniu> hmm .. on a different (Mint) box there are some extra entries: http://sprunge.us/dBBj
[21:16] <Zinn> [sprunge.us] N/A
[21:23] <TandyUK2> does anyone know of a good media file pack, which includes (maybe the same movie), but in umpteen different codecs/containers so i could try playinng them all and work out what a device really supports
[21:23] <TandyUK2> the manual states "normal xvid" is supported, but none of my xvid files will play
[21:25] <patdk-lap> I have been pretty happy with the wd live+
[21:26] <patdk-lap> latest firmware added flac support, and better subtitles
[21:26] <TandyUK2> this is a samsung freesat hd+ box
[21:26] <TandyUK2> another thng is it supports usb flash drives, but not usb hard disks
[21:26] <TandyUK2> just refused to detect a pluggedi n hdd
[21:27] <TandyUK2> my 32gb usb pen however works perfectly
[21:27] <TandyUK2> just seems theyre trying to annoy anyone trying use use it to play media
[21:27] <TandyUK2> also. it will work as a 'dlna type client' with windows media player, but NOT dlna
[22:27]  * goibhniu seems to have WebM exporting working with MythExport


[01:32] <mup> PR snapcraft#4022 closed: lint: ignore snapd-testing-tools, venv <Created by mr-cal> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4022>
[14:19] <mup> PR snapd#12518 closed: tests: remove 2 patches used by debian-sid <Test Robustness> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12518>
[16:19] <mup> PR snapd#12519 opened: snap,snapdtool: introduce SnapdAssertionMaxFormatsFromSnapFile <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12519>
[16:24] <mup> PR snapcraft#4023 opened: Sgmoore/update neon ext core22 <Created by ScarlettGatelyMoore> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4023>
[16:39] <mup> PR snapd#12520 opened: tests: add check that removal of snaps with user data works <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12520>
[17:34] <mup> PR snapcraft#4001 closed: kernel: publish to temporary branch <Created by mr-cal> <Closed by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4001>
[17:34] <mup> PR snapcraft#4019 closed: extension: use minimum necessary build packages for ros foxy extension (core20) <Created by artivis> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4019>
[18:05] <mup> PR snapd#12345 closed: spread: add external:ubuntu-core-24-64 <Created by valentindavid> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12345>
[19:05] <mup> PR snapd#12522 opened: releasing package snapd version 2.58.2 <Squash-merge> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12522>
[20:15] <mup> PR snapd#12523 opened: tests: new smoke test to check the version is not dirty <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12523>
[20:30] <mup> PR snapd#12524 opened: store: provide ways to override the assertion max formats sent as supported <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12524>
[20:40] <mup> PR snapd#12522 closed: release: snapd version 2.58.2 <Squash-merge> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12522>


[21:23] <Andre_Gondim> godbyk, did you see anything about lucid-e2 pt_BR?
[21:24] <Andre_Gondim> I mean if there is error
[21:26] <godbyk> Andre_Gondim: There are some errors, yeah. I'm waiting to get the screenshots for it, though (as those are the first dozen or so errors it's complaining about).
[21:27] <Andre_Gondim> godbyk, I used the branch that have some screenshots
[21:28] <godbyk> Andre_Gondim: Which branch is that?
[21:32] <Andre_Gondim> godbyk, lp:~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual-screenshots/pt_BR
[21:40] <godbyk> Okay, let me download that branch and try to compile again.
[21:43] <godbyk> Andre_Gondim: The glossary entry for DHCP is missing a \ before 'newglossaryentry'.
[21:46] <godbyk> Andre_Gondim: In that same entry, the 'name' and 'description' words were translated and they shouldn't have been.
[21:47] <godbyk> Andre_Gondim: Same entry: the closing }} were missing.
[21:48] <godbyk> Andre_Gondim: The 'distribution' glossary entry has the 'description' keyword translated. It shouldn't be translated.
[22:01] <Andre_Gondim> godbyk, I have fixed yesterday, if you are talking about https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/lucid-e2/+pots/ubuntu-manual/pt_BR/10/+translate
[22:02] <godbyk> Andre_Gondim: Yeah, that's the one.
[22:02] <godbyk> Okay, I'll update my .po file and try it again, then.


[13:54] <tjaalton> vivid is EOL, so can all the remaining uploads on SRU queue be rejected?
[14:16] <ogra_> tjaalton, it isnt EOL for phone and snappy ... perhaps people want to chrry pick stuf from proposed to their build PPAs first
[14:18] <tjaalton> ok, I won't touch it
[16:49]  * flexiondotorg_ tickles infinity to inquire about Xubuntu Base and Ubuntu MATE Base.
[18:56] <slangasek> utlemming: hi, still working on the raspi2 images and I have some questions about intent of some of the binary hooks that I'm hoping you can shed light on
[18:57] <slangasek> utlemming: specifically, 030-root-tarball.binary - this is doing kernel and bootloader removal... this is because it's creating a separate root tarball artifact, I guess?
[18:59] <slangasek> well, I guess I've answered that particular question by reading on in the code
[18:59] <slangasek> but now I need to see what we should do here... AFAICS when building for a subarch we should simply never build the rootfs bits
[19:07] <xnox> slangasek, rootfs.tar.gz has kernel/bootloader bits removed, and the result becomes lxc image and lxd image (after a metadata tarball is built elsewhere)
[19:08]  * slangasek nods
[19:08] <xnox> slangasek, the generated /boot/grub from ec2 emul remains inside it.
[19:08] <xnox> grub ec2 emul thing
[19:08] <slangasek> so for a subarch build, we should just skip the rootfs generation
[19:11]  * slangasek wonders why cloud image livefs builds only list the manifests as artifacts
[19:24] <xnox> slangasek, i wonder why SHA512SUMS file is not generated.
[19:27] <slangasek> xnox: maybe it is, but is hidden somewhere?
[19:27] <xnox> slangasek, =)))))))) youd't think that, right.
[19:28] <slangasek> but quite specifically, the actual images are not shown as output artifacts
[19:37] <xnox> slangasek, btw they have to be collected pretty fast, as launchpad agreesively expires / deletes them.
[19:37] <xnox> slangasek, this is why cpc builds in jenkins, poll, download and store artifacts in swift.
[19:37] <slangasek> erm ok
[19:38] <xnox> slangasek, oh the irony, if the same swift is used by both.
[19:38] <slangasek> pretty sure it is :)
[19:39] <xnox> slangasek, please RM unity-scope-snappy, defunct, unusable, ftbfs (multiple reasons), not supported upstream, change of api & directly.
[19:39] <xnox> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-scope-snappy/+bug/1542451
[19:39] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1542451 in unity-scope-snappy (Ubuntu) "RM: unity-scope-snappy" [Critical,Triaged]
[19:39] <xnox> slangasek, canonical upstream approved removal.
[19:39] <xnox> not seeded.
[19:39] <xnox> and it has invalid Built-Using tags =)
[19:42] <slangasek> xnox: Task: ubuntu-desktop-next ?
[19:43] <xnox> slangasek, i wonder where you get that idea from
[19:43] <slangasek> from the Packages file
[19:43] <xnox> which is not authoritative, is it?
[19:44] <slangasek> xnox: it's not the source, it is authoritative. Are you cheekily suggesting to me that you've already removed it from the seed?
[19:44] <xnox> slangasek, no, i'm suggesting that desktop team has dropped "ubuntu-desktop-next" a few cycles back.
[19:44] <slangasek> um
[19:45] <slangasek> sounds like they didn't communicate that to the archive admins, then :)
[19:45] <xnox> Laney, is ubuntu-desktop-next a thing?
[19:45] <xnox> slangasek, if I were an AA...
[19:48] <slangasek> ya ba dibba dibba dibba dibba dibba dibba dum?
[19:48] <xnox> slangasek, well, meta pacakge did disappear. so an AA was involved.
[19:48] <xnox> $ rmadison ubuntu-desktop-next
[19:48] <xnox>  ubuntu-desktop-next | 1.221 | vivid/universe | amd64, armhf, i386
[19:48] <xnox> ..
[19:49] <xnox> one time, and one time only, vivid special.
[19:49] <slangasek> removing the metapackage might well be independent of removing the task
[19:49] <xnox> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-touch-meta/1.250
[19:49] <slangasek> and the task still exists in ubuntu-touch.xenial
[19:50] <slangasek> so, lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.xenial please
[19:50] <xnox> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[19:51] <xnox> done
[19:53] <slangasek> hmm ok
[19:53] <slangasek> well, I assigned the bug to the desktop team, so we can still grab their review to confirm before removing the package
[21:13] <teward> when is featurefreeze again?
[21:14] <infinity> In two weeks.
[21:14] <teward> thanks.  i would check but the wiki and my tablet here aren't behaving :/


[11:12] <Mamarok> is there a known problem with 105-key keyboards under X? My numpad digits don't work in GUI apps, only operators do, but all keys perform well in TTY2
[11:13] <Mamarok> there is also a report in the KKDE forum here: https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=225&t=167364 and a slightly older report in ther Arch forum here:  https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=250191
[11:13] <Mamarok> contrary to what some people say in the KDE forum, this is not just KDE apps, same problem in Firefox and Chrome
[11:28] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 @Mamarok, Numeric keypad int 20.04 requires manual Num lock toggle even though System Settings,  Input Devices, keyboard is set on.  Good news, It's fixed in 20.10.
[13:20] <Mamarok> I can't toggle it even manually, already tried that
[13:39] <BluesKaj> the setting on 20.10 is not fixed, number lock is not holding in system settings
[13:40] <BluesKaj> @DarinMiller ^
[13:41] <BluesKaj> I'll try a reboot
[13:44] <BluesKaj> nope, numberlock doesn't hold it's setting
 Strange, numlock working fine on 20.10 my Dell Laptop with keypad. 20.04 keypad does not work on any of my systems (requires manual toggle).
[13:49] <BluesKaj> haven't checked the laptop yet. 20.10 is installed on it as well
 I have an older laptop with keypad, but video card is no longer supported past 20.04, so I have not bothered to update it to 20.10.
 I might try upgrading a test disk to 20.10 on my desktop to as another datapoint....
[13:53] <BluesKaj> well, i'm testing 20.10 on both as requested and my dell laptop is the same as this pc, numberlock isn't holding in system settings
 So system settings input devices keyboard numlock toggles to off after reboot, or plasma does not honor the Turn on option?
[13:56] <BluesKaj> seems to be the latter
[13:57] <BluesKaj> the numberlock key works fine, and it should be disabled in system settings if the turn on there is applied
 Very strange... booted my  desktop into a 20.04 test disk and numlocks is working fine. But in my primary session, it fails.  Hmmmm, I wonder if it's anaconda/python related....
 Anaconda interferes with pastebinit and many other native python based system tools.