[00:05] <Pici> ping!
[00:05] <Pici> er
[00:05] <Pici> !ping
[01:34] <Jordan_U> terr is now complaining to me in #debian about the fact that I banned them from #ubuntu.
[01:36] <terr> Jordan_U: I'm here
[01:38] <IdleOne> going to guess he is typing
[01:38] <IdleOne> give him a sec or two :)
[01:38] <Jordan_U> terr: Hi. I banned you from #ubuntu because you did not stop non-support related discussion when asked to. I happen to agree that Ubuntu isos should be dd able and have personally worked toward making that possible. That does not excuse unproductive ranting in a support channel, and I gave you ample warning.
[01:40] <terr> Jordan_U: I thought we were just chatting.  I'm new to #ubuntu having only come in about a week ago because I can't get a install done.
[01:41] <terr> Jordan_U: but I know how to do this and I know how to lift the mbr and I'm a consultant who hires consultants so how come we have these issues?
[01:41] <Jordan_U> terr: #ubuntu is a particularly busy channel. #ubuntu-offtopic is for non support related discussion. More importantly though, I told you this clearly and yet you did not stop.
[01:42] <terr> Jordan_U: besides which we have lots of offtopic and it spices up discussions.  We are not one dimensional.  goodnerd is a student and wants some C-code help and I can help him.  Can't reach him for now
[01:42] <terr> Jordan_U: I was only replying to your messages
[01:43] <Jordan_U> terr: If you cannot accept that #ubuntu is only for support then I cannot unban you. Please read the channel guidelines.
[01:43] <terr> Jordan_U: I'd like to investigate how to improve things
[01:43] <Jordan_U> !guidelines | terr
[01:43] <terr> Jordan_U: where is a general discussion forum?
[01:44] <Jordan_U> terr: #ubuntu-offtopic.
[01:44] <terr> Jordan_U: I am new here.  Only last week and only because I ran into serious issues which I should not run into.
[01:45] <terr> Jordan_U: on this IRC we have 60,000 channels.  I did not know of that one and I cannot even ask for a list
[01:45] <IdleOne> terr: Like Jordan_U already said he agrees with you and has helped to get it fixed, for now Ubuntu iso's are not dd able next month with the release of 11.10 it will be.
[01:46] <terr> IdleOne: that soon?  WOW
[01:46] <IdleOne> sarcasm doesn't help.
[01:46] <terr> Like /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:46] <IdleOne> correct.
[01:47] <terr> IdleOne: no.  I mean WOW.  I can wait a month!
[01:47] <terr> Jordan_U: please ask someone to pop to a new channel instead of saying negatives.
[01:49] <IdleOne> Do you tell your consultants to leave the meeting when they insist on discussing a strategy you have rejected or do you remind them that you are the one who makes and enforces the rules?
[01:49] <terr> IdleOne: I have been planing on installing ubuntu instead of debian for a few years now.  I want to see it.  From what I can tell it looks great
[01:50] <IdleOne> point here is #ubuntu has guidelines and you were not following them.
[01:50] <terr> IdleOne: I try to not enforce rules.  But I have an off topic true story which I will ask your opinion on.
[01:50] <IdleOne> I'll chat with you in #ubuntu-offtopic not in here.
[01:51] <terr> IdleOne: its also about over 100 million in property and its real time.
[01:52] <IdleOne> I'll leave the ban removal or not up to Jordan_U.
[01:53] <Jordan_U> terr: If you agree to read and follow the channel guidelines then I will remove the ban.
[01:59] <terr> Jordan_U: you have my appologies.
[02:00] <Jordan_U> terr: Apology accepted. Do you agree to follow the channel guidelines if I allow you back in #ubuntu?
[02:01] <terr> Jordan_U: of course but I don't yet know whta they are
[02:01] <Jordan_U> !guidelines | terr
[02:01] <terr> Jordan_U: I'm suppose to read all this?
[02:02] <Jordan_U> terr: Yes.
[02:09] <terr> Jordan_U: if I can get Ubuntu loaded which is what I want to do then I'll write a new shell which will blow your socks off and I happen to know I can do it since we did it before and HP sold it as Transact and you can likely google it.
[02:09] <rww> terr: regardless, please read and then agree to our guidelines ;)
[02:09] <terr> Jordan_U: I just want to get the O/S installed.  That is all.  I'm quite frustrated
[02:10] <terr> rww: ok.  I will agree to read them tomorrow.  I'
[02:10] <rww> terr: okay. please come back when you've read them, then.
[02:11] <terr> I'm going to have to install a new MB in a puter any=way and if I can get ubuntu installed then I won't need to come back
[02:12] <rww> *shrug*
[02:12] <terr> Jordan_U:  rww I don't want to create trouble.  Far from it.
[02:12] <rww> If you're not planning on reading them today, please /part for now and come back when you're able to agree to our guidelines.
[02:13] <terr> rww: Why should I read them today.  Its only common sense
[02:14] <IdleOne> terr: We need you to either agree to the guidelines so we can remove the ban and allow you back in #ubuntu OR /part this channel now.
[02:14] <rww> terr: because you agreeing to follow them without knowing what they are is pointless
[02:14] <rww> terr: and if you're not going to agree to follow them, I'm not going to unban you, and there's thus not much point in you being here :)
[02:15] <terr> rww: you don't need me to help goodnerd with his c-code which is out of channel and which I can help him with out of channel.. but he asked in channel because this is where he finds help.  And I can help him
[02:16] <rww> terr: Again, if you don't plan on reading and agreeing to our guidelines today, please leave and come back when you're able to.
[02:16] <terr> rww:  just like a judge.  Of course I agree.
[02:16] <rww> terr: Have you read them?
[02:16] <terr> in 2 seconds?
[02:16] <rww> terr: No, in the fifteen minutes since you were given a link to them.
[02:17] <terr> rww:  I will look tomorrow.
[02:17] <rww> terr: Then come back tomorrow after you've read them, say you agree to them and have read them, and you'll be unbanned.
[02:17] <rww> This seems like a rather clear instruction, I'm not sure why I've had to repeat it so many times.
[02:18] <terr> rww:  I know a bit about law.  a contract has to be negotiated.  I happen to know the dean of law at the UofC and he calls me by my first name.
[02:19] <terr> rww: because i was carrrying in a conversation with Jordan_U  and he bannned me
[02:19] <IdleOne> terr: Please part now or I will be forced to remove you.
[02:19] <terr> IdleOne: I will part
[02:23] <IdleOne> Evening PerfieM
[02:23] <IdleOne> How may we help you?
[02:23] <PerfieM> IdleOne: I'm been doing some serious thinking
[02:23] <IdleOne> right.
[02:24] <IdleOne> go on :)
[02:24] <PerfieM> And I've realized if I want to become an ubuntu op, I'm going to have to be unbanned from all the ubuntu channels, no?
[02:24] <IdleOne> at some point yes
[02:24] <PerfieM> I think the time has come
[02:24] <IdleOne> hmm, no it hasn't.
[02:24] <PerfieM> Are you sure?
[02:24] <rww> yes
[02:24] <IdleOne> PerfieM: but...
[02:25] <PerfieM> 100% sure?
[02:25] <PerfieM> IdleOne: I like the sound of that, but what?
[02:25] <rww> I believe I've made my opinion of your #ubuntu bans rather clear, PerfieM.
[02:25] <IdleOne> I will discuss it with the rest of the team and some of the freenode staff and perhaps in 3 months if we see some marked and sustained behavioral improvement we can see about removing the ban
[02:26] <PerfieM> 3 months?
[02:26] <IdleOne> yes.
[02:26] <PerfieM> Ohhhh godddd
[02:26] <IdleOne> minimum
[02:26] <PerfieM> Thats how long it'll take for me to become an oper?
[02:26] <rww> No, that's how long it'll take before I consider removing the bans I set on you in #ubuntu.
[02:26] <rww> also, op != oper
[02:26] <IdleOne> I didn't say anything about you becoming an op. All I said was we will see about removing the ban
[02:27] <PerfieM> rww: Why you hatin?
[02:27] <PerfieM> This is so heartbreaking
[02:27] <rww> PerfieM: because you've been given chances in #ubuntu over and over again and have screwed them up
[02:27] <PerfieM> my dreams are being crushed and I havent even started dreaming
[02:27] <PerfieM> rww: I'm a changed person!
[02:27] <IdleOne> PerfieM: if you are serious about this and I hope you are you will try really hard and 3 months on the internet is nothing.
[02:27] <rww> PerfieM: You said that at least two times before and weren't.
[02:28] <PerfieM> rww: Well, I'm a NEW changed person
[02:28] <IdleOne> PerfieM: focus here.
[02:28] <rww> fun fact: you've been banned from #ubuntu on at least five separate occasions at this point, and then unbanned with promises of change
[02:28] <rww> you'll forgive me for not believing you this time
[02:28] <IdleOne> We need to see a minimum of 3 months of actuall good behavior as set forth in the !coc.
[02:28] <rww> come back in three months
[02:29] <PerfieM> rww: I feel like you and Plazma have been talking, he said the same thing to me.
[02:29] <PerfieM> buncha heartbreakers
[02:29] <rww> PerfieM: no, actually
[02:30] <PerfieM> IdleOne: But, if you unban me I can show you good behaviour and than we can take it from there.
[02:30] <IdleOne> PerfieM: the deal is non negotiable
[02:30]  * PerfieM facepalms
[02:30] <IdleOne> I hope to see you back in 3 months.
[02:30] <IdleOne> Have a good night.
[02:32] <IdleOne> PerfieM: was there anything else?
[02:33] <IdleOne> c'mon dude, you know you're not supposed to idle in here this isn't the first time we listen to this record.
[02:34] <IdleOne> you really want to be an op you are going to have to jump through hoops to get it.
[02:34] <IdleOne> first hoop is listen to the people handing you an olive branch....errr
[02:39] <rww> (they ping timeouted shortly after that, btw. it's theoretically possible their client died)
[02:40] <PerfieM> So, my internet crashed!
[02:40] <IdleOne> happens
[02:41] <PerfieM> But where were we?
[02:41] <PerfieM> Oh right. anyways~
[02:41] <rww> come back in three months
[02:41] <IdleOne> gimme a sec I'll pastebin it
[02:41] <PerfieM> IdleOne: it's okay, I've got it
[02:41] <IdleOne> ok.
[02:42] <IdleOne> PerfieM: the no idle rule.
[02:42] <IdleOne> please.
[02:42] <PerfieM> IdleOne: I'm typing up a deal.
[02:44] <PerfieM> You and your "team" unban me from just #ubuntu.  I show you what a wonderful addition I would be. BUT if for some reason I seem to be acting out, than you can totally do whatever seems necessary, and we can totally forget about my dreams and goals.
[02:44] <PerfieM> Sounds good, right?
[02:45] <rww> PerfieM: No. The entirely non-negotiable deal is that if you come back in three months, I will consider unbanning you. If you persist in arguing now, that deal goes away. No other op is going to unban you at this point, because there are a bunch of notices from me in our bantracker saying not to. In all caps.
[02:45] <IdleOne> PerfieM: my deal is the only one that we will consider
[02:45] <rww> So, come back in three months.
[02:45] <PerfieM> rww: hater
[02:46] <IdleOne> PerfieM: deal is off.
[02:46] <IdleOne> part now. good night.
[02:46] <elky> We do see you elsewhere on the network anyway. So you have incentive to behave and generally avoid taunting our ops in other channels.
[02:46] <PerfieM> what? I'm so confused. We made a deal?
[02:46] <IdleOne> elky: doesn't matter anymore. deal is off.
[02:46] <PerfieM> noooooo
[02:46] <IdleOne> PerfieM: the bans will stay.
[02:46] <PerfieM> This is so unfair
[02:46] <PerfieM> IdleOne: until 3 months right?
[02:47] <IdleOne> no
[02:47] <PerfieM> Why?
[02:47] <IdleOne> because calling an op a hater is not part of the deal.
[02:47] <PerfieM> Because I called rww a hater?
[02:47] <IdleOne> you had a chance. I offered you a hell of a chance against the advice of the entire ops team and you messed it up.
[02:48] <PerfieM> Oh kids, you're so gonna regret this
[02:48] <IdleOne> I am now done.
[02:48] <rww> PerfieM: If you /part now and don't come back until the start of 2012, we'll see then. The best thing for you to do right now would be /part without saying anything :)
[02:48] <IdleOne> threats? that is real Ubuntu of you.
[02:49] <PerfieM> rww: well you see, the NEW and imporved PerfieM would part. But since IdleOne decided to not give me a "hell of a chance" I'm gonna say this: What ever happens next you all deserve it.
[02:49] <rww> PerfieM: Yeah, that wasn't /parting without saying anything. Shame.
[02:49] <PerfieM> And here I was, thinking you actually had a soul
[02:49] <PerfieM> rww++ well done, chief
[02:50] <rww> @mark #ubuntu-ops PerfieM
[03:11] <IdleOne> G7|Cloud: hello.
[03:11] <G7|Cloud> Hello, I was just reading about this channel.
[03:11] <G7|Cloud> If you'd like, I'll leave
[03:12] <IdleOne> G7|Cloud: if you don't have any business with us, please do as per the topic
[03:12] <IdleOne> :)
[03:12] <G7|Cloud> No problem ;)
[03:12] <IdleOne> thank you.
[03:13] <rww> I'm guessing phillw is in here to get used to it for when 11.10 comes out?
[03:13] <IdleOne> not sure
[03:14] <IdleOne> i think he may be waiting for topyli
[04:46] <topyli> resent the reply, i previously seem to have replied to list only
[05:44] <syrinx_> hi everyone
[05:44] <syrinx_> I have an issue i'd like to raise.
[05:45] <elky> What would that be?
[05:46] <syrinx_> why was I banned?
[05:46] <syrinx_> do some research, check your logs, etc, and let me know
[05:49] <syrinx_> ???
[05:49] <syrinx_> no offense, but I signed the CoC, followed the rules for a LONG time, even applied for op, I think I deserve an answer.
[05:51] <Flannel> syrinx_: I think this is the part where people are 'checking your logs, etc', please be patient.
[05:52] <syrinx_> ill be here
[05:56] <ikonia> syrinx_: you know why you where banned
[05:56] <syrinx_> I do not, actually.
[05:56] <ikonia> syrinx_: you also sent me a message informing me you'd like to stay band as you don't like those channels and have them on auto join by default
[05:57] <syrinx_> I did; I never asked to be reinstated, I just want to know "why"
[05:57] <ikonia> syrinx_: I explained to you
[05:57] <ikonia> so lets not do this to start another argument
[05:57] <syrinx_> no second opinions, eh?
[05:57] <ikonia> you don't want to be unbanned, you know why you where banned, lets move on
[05:58] <ikonia> there is no need for a second opinion, I'm the one who banned you and I know why I did it, and I explained it to you
[05:58] <syrinx_> for "recruiting", when no evidence of recruiting is present.
[05:58] <ikonia> syrinx_: apart from you activly admiting it
[05:58] <Corey> syrinx_: What's your actual issue?
[05:59] <syrinx_> ikonia: admitting it where, exactly?
[05:59] <ikonia> syrinx_: please, lets not waste time going over this again, it's just going to start a row that's uncalled for. you know why, you know you did it, you don't want to be unbanned, lets move on. Please.
[06:00] <syrinx_> I love your policies. Send IdleOne and chu_ my regards.
[09:18] <ikonia> hello bioterror
[09:18] <bioterror> hi
[09:19] <ikonia> how can we help you today ?
[09:19] <ikonia> ahh, I see you are an operator in #lubuntu
[09:19] <bioterror> you're too fast ; )
[09:19] <ikonia> looks like that's not been setup yet in here
[09:20] <bioterror> yes, I saw this morning email on the list about this and I decided to pop-in and see what's in here
[09:20] <ikonia> well, hello there then
[09:22] <Tm_T> bioterror: welcome to our cave, please find a nice, dry spot next to the bonfire to keep you warm (:
[09:22] <bioterror> thanks tm_t ;)
[09:22] <bioterror> should I take acoustis guitar with me?-)
[09:22] <bioterror> acoustic
[09:23] <Tm_T> it'll help keeping the wolves out so why not
[09:23] <ikonia> (that wasn't meant sarcastic)
[09:25] <Tm_T> sarcasm on IRC is a myth, it just doesn't exist (;
[09:28] <elky> I do believe you're being sarcastic there, Tm_T
[09:29] <Tm_T> I do believe you're right
[09:30] <Tm_T> hmmm, I wonder if there's any scientific data if singing and playing on bonfire do actually keep wolves out
[09:31] <elky> i'd imagine fire itself would
[09:33] <Tm_T> sure, but if you rule that out
[09:33] <knome> singing loudly scares wolves?
[09:34] <bioterror> and way out of note ;)
[09:34] <Tm_T> knome: we haven't tested yet, but you clearly volunteered
[09:34] <Gary> my singing would!
[09:34] <knome> heh
[09:35] <Gary> it scares most things
[11:24] <ikonia> hello rhce7320 can we help you ?
[11:25] <rhce7320> Hi, I do some tech support for #l10n-bem translator team (still finding our feet...).   I've just started looking into the IRC side of the effort.  What is required to get a bot on #l10n-bem?
[11:25] <ikonia> ubuntu wouldn't really host a bot on non-ubuntu projects
[11:26] <rhce7320> It is the ubuntu Bemba translator team
[11:26] <ikonia> it's not an ubuntu channel though
[11:26] <ikonia> and there is no-one in that channel
[11:27] <rhce7320> tks.  So I guess that I should be asking around the translator channel?
[11:27] <ikonia> I'm not aware of a translator channel
[11:27] <ikonia> so I don't know
[11:27] <rhce7320> tks. bye
[11:27] <ikonia> bye
[11:28] <elky> bem? rhce? bots? whaaaaa...
[14:38] <ikonia> hello terr_
[14:38] <terr_> ikonia: hello to you.
[14:38] <mneptok> elky: 14 eels Sunday ventriloquism Donatist controversy
[14:38] <ikonia> terr_: how can we help you today ?
[14:39] <terr_> ikonia: unban me?
[14:39] <ikonia> from where, and why where yo ubanned ?
[14:39] <terr_> ikonia: I'm still a wee bit ticked.  I point out a serious problem and I'm at fault?
[14:40] <mneptok> terr_: depends on *how* you pointed it out. and where.
[14:40] <ikonia> could you refresh my memory, and I'll pull up the details
[14:40] <terr_> ikonia: because I told Jordan_U That we have serious install issues
[14:40] <ikonia> could you expand a little while I grab the details
[14:41] <mneptok> terr_: try telling someone that cigarettes cause cancer by jamming a gun in their mouth. you're right about the smokes, but you're still going to jail.
[14:41] <terr_> ikonia: look at the log.  I was talking with Jordan and suggested that we really need to improve things and he got ticked and took it personally
[14:41] <ikonia> terr_: 2 minutes please.
[14:41] <terr_> mneptok: I don't even buy cookeis from girl scouts because I know the tobacco industry (like imasco) make them.
[14:43] <mneptok> terr_: do you see my point, though?
[14:43] <terr_> ikonia: look.  I don't like to fight.  I want to install ubuntu because I've heard great things about it.  But I don't need this greif.  I'll just install Debian instead.
[14:43] <ikonia> terr_: ok then. Bye.
[14:43] <Koheleth> its been a week, am I still banned?
[14:44] <ikonia> Koheleth: totally, it's not a time thing, it's your attitude thing
[14:44] <Koheleth> ikonia:  you still miffed a bit?
[14:44] <ikonia> when you attitude changes, we'll look at removing the ban
[14:44] <mneptok> terr_: #ubuntu is a support channel. for users to get help with problems. if you have identified a problem, discuss it in #ubuntu-devel, #ubuntu+1 or, better yet, file a bug on Launchpad.
[14:44] <mneptok> *sigh*
[14:44] <Koheleth> I dont change tho?
[14:44] <Koheleth> it's just the situations I come across, sry
[14:47] <Koheleth> I love to help people getting programs to run, it(s my speciality :)
[14:47] <ikonia> well, not in #ubuntu it wasn't
[14:48] <Koheleth> did, BlueWolf but he split
[14:48] <Koheleth> great game actually
[14:48] <ikonia> well, look, come back when your attitude changes and we'll remove the ban
[14:49] <Koheleth> it has changed
[14:49] <ikonia> oh, when did this happen ?
[14:49] <Koheleth> I just want back in and behave
[14:49] <Koheleth> ikonia:  you have the guage
[14:50] <Koheleth> I love helping guys
[14:50] <ikonia> every time you come to this channel to discuss your ban, you behave in an silly manner
[14:50] <Koheleth> its my manner!
[14:50] <ikonia> that doesn't leave me to believe you really have changed
[14:50] <ikonia> and the fact that #ubuntu-offtopic isn't a support channel but you keep offering help isn't really helping
[14:50] <Koheleth> loads ask for personal help there
[14:51] <Koheleth> besides I am always on a beta not stable
[14:51] <ikonia> well, one of the other operators may choose to unban you, but at this time I just don't believe your intentions, being honest.
[14:51] <Koheleth> ok
[14:53] <Koheleth> ikonia:  hope your well and having a great day anyway :)
[14:54] <ikonia> thank you. I am
[14:54] <Koheleth> where you live, or is that offtopic?
[14:54] <ikonia> not important.
[14:54] <ikonia> juding by the response of this channel, none of the other operators are available, or wish to remove the ban at this time, I suggest trying back later
[14:54] <ikonia> judging even
[14:55] <Koheleth> yeah, syntax is important :)
[14:57] <Koheleth> anyway its been a week as promised so will try
[14:57] <ikonia> it's not been a week
[14:57] <ikonia> you've been in here a few times being a fool and trying to give silly answers to normal questions,
[14:57] <Koheleth> lifetime for me
[14:58] <ikonia> you where in here on Wednesday doing it.
[14:58] <Koheleth> I am no fool pal
[14:58] <ikonia> Koheleth: ok, then seen you when someone else is free who has a different opinion of you than me
[14:58] <Koheleth> ok
[14:59] <ikonia> Koheleth: I suggest leaving the channel and coming back later/tomorrow, and it will help if you just come with a normal response to questions.
[14:59] <Koheleth> ok
[15:13] <mneptok> terr_ needs to travel back in time, and help me set up Xubuntu on this UEFI laptop. it would change perspective. :)
[15:14] <ikonia> whats teh difference between UEFI and EFI ?
[15:17] <mneptok> UEFI spent the $9.99/month for a vowel upgrade
[15:17] <mneptok> (i.e. "I have no idea.")
[15:17] <ikonia> I've just found Terr's problem
[15:17] <ikonia> he's using it on a DX/Pentium 1 machine, which as i386 has been removed support of may be a problem for him
[15:18] <mneptok> yup, unless it's Pentium Pro or newer
[15:19] <ikonia> so the massive bug with the installers is.....he doesn't meet the hardware requirements by about 12 years
[15:19] <mneptok> eh ... shorter cut-off. whoever bought that machine in 1995 should have waited 6 months.
[15:21] <phillw> he needs to use one of 10.04LTS releases for i386 support :)
[15:22] <ikonia> I think he's beyond that
[15:23] <phillw> IDK, lubuntu 10.04 even though it was only ever released as a stable beta may well work for him.
[15:23] <ikonia> 16 meg of ram
[15:23] <ikonia> and a DX4
[15:24] <phillw> oooh... 16 meg RAM :(
[15:24] <mneptok> he should spend the time it would take setting up that old machine in more fruitful ways. like weeding lawns to earn money for a newer computer.
[15:26] <genii-around> Could probably even pick up a P3 or P4 box from the thrift store for about $30
[15:50]  * jrib is confused by gredeu's parting message...
[17:08] <Myrtti> theres new devices that need that kernel too
[17:09] <Myrtti> geodes
[17:09] <ikonia> ?
[17:10] <Myrtti> i386
[17:10] <Myrtti> Viglen MPC-L
[17:10] <ikonia> ooh
[17:11] <genii-around> Doesn't OLPC use them as well?
[17:21]  * Pici sighs
[17:21] <ikonia> after I helped him too
[17:21] <ikonia> you help someone, and then he tries to take down peoples machines
[17:21] <ikonia> how dissapointing
[17:22] <Pici> It didn't help that they were just doing the same thing a second ago in #debian
[17:22] <rww> who, pudger?
[17:22] <ikonia> that's odd, my #debian window had closed
[17:22] <rww> if so, that's negger, who's been acting like an idiot in #ubuntu and #debian for days
[17:22] <ikonia> ooh
[17:22] <ikonia> I helped him earlier in #ubuntu
[17:22] <h00k> :/
[17:23] <ikonia> didn't realise it was the same guy
[17:23] <rww> stalker.pl <3
[17:23] <h00k> I should get that, and learn to use it.
[17:23] <rww> also realname, but yeah
[17:24] <ikonia> didn't whois him, just thought he was cluelesss
[17:25] <h00k> Howcome -b?
[17:26] <ikonia> flooded himself off, I suspect he won't be back quickly
[17:26] <ikonia> plus probably come back with a different IP
[17:26] <ikonia> leave it on for a while if you think worth while
[17:37] <rww> !msgthebot > GTRsdk
[17:38] <h00k> rww: you win.
[17:44] <Pici> rww: btw ubottu will respond to a pm even if she isn't sharing a channel with you.
[17:45] <rww> Pici: no, she won't
[17:45] <ikonia> the lies continue
[17:45] <Pici> rww: I just did it.
[17:45] <h00k> a new twist!
[17:45] <rww> gives an error message about "Sorry, I don't know rww..." when I do it :\
[17:45] <Pici> ...
[17:46] <Pici> msgthebot > user  wont work, of course.
[17:46] <ikonia> doesn't work for me
[17:46] <ikonia> messaing her for help and she's ignoring me
[17:46] <ikonia> messaging
[17:46] <rww> 1) open new client, in no channels 2) /msg ubottu !test 3) get message about lack of knowledge
[17:47] <ikonia> rww: she doesn't know me
[17:47] <Pici> ohhh
[17:47] <Pici> Thats a bug then.
[17:48] <Pici> Shall I log one?
[17:49] <h00k> doeet
[17:57] <Pici> tsimpson: Before I log a bug, is it intended that ubottu not reply in pm to users that don't share any channels with her?
[18:01] <IdleOne> Pici: I believe so, to prevent outside users flooding a user with factoids
[18:01]  * rww suspects "lol supybot" will be answer
[18:43] <h00k> Called the ops, lol'd, then left.
[18:46] <Myrtti> steve troll?
[18:46] <h00k> yep.
[18:46] <h00k> Myrtti: ^
[20:49] <genii-around> Darn. I feel the sudden need for blinky icons now too.
[20:49] <h00k> heh.
[20:49]  * h00k installs marquee-everything-always on genii-around's computer
[20:50] <genii-around> ooooooo
[20:51] <h00k> I feel like he's just a troll.
[22:47] <Corey> todd__ is getting a little tiresome.
[22:56] <IdleOne> what's with the pirate talk?
[22:57] <rww> it's pirate talk day
[22:57] <IdleOne> every other week?
[22:58] <Pici> every year
[22:58] <IdleOne> geez has it been a year already
[23:01] <Corey> IdleOne: Avast, ye be behind the times there, matey!
[23:01] <IdleOne> just not into the pirate thing
[23:02] <IdleOne> I have been known to wear an eye patch once or twice
[23:04] <Corey> IdleOne: Aye, but that be because ye has trouble with complex equipment such as forks, ye scallywag!
[23:06] <IdleOne> and spoons :/


[19:04] <gaghiel> hey all
[19:04] <gaghiel> got a small prob with upstart
[19:04] <gaghiel> have a weird pre-start script that wants to implement sth like a retry logik
[19:05] <gaghiel> much like: pre-start script: while(tries<max_tries) do; some command; done
[19:05] <gaghiel> it pretty much works but the moment the command fails it bails out of the script completely
[19:06] <gaghiel> is there a way to do sth like set +/-e ?
[20:16] <hallyn> gaghiel: i don't think so, but you can do some version of "some_command || true"
[21:32] <gaghiel> hallyn: :) nice one. I'll try that.
[21:32] <gaghiel> many thanks!
[21:33] <hallyn> np


[02:43] <phillw> ;JoeMaverickSett:
[02:43] <phillw> welcome :)
[02:44] <phillw> ;JoeMaverickSett
[02:44] <phillw> ahhh, still no dragon eyes :(
[02:45] <phillw> and here's me supposed to be doing a slave transfer.
[02:59] <phillw> hay, who invited meetingology in?
[04:09] <andri> Hellllo :)
[04:39] <lubatic> Uh.. so there's no xorg.conf in Lubuntu?
[04:41] <bioterror> only if you make one
[04:41] <bioterror> it will override the settings
[04:45] <andri> arffh
[04:45] <andri> I have no sound! :o
[04:46] <bioterror> where did it go?
[04:46] <andri> It doesn't work! :(
[04:46] <andri> Just formatted my OS drive
[04:46] <bioterror> you havent muted it?-)
[04:46] <andri> And now I installed lubuntu
[04:46] <andri> I just don't think they are installed or something..
[04:46] <bioterror> you should say in terminal dmesg |more
[04:46] <bioterror> or lspci |more
[04:47] <andri> Cause there's not even an Volume Control when the panel settings say it should.
[04:47] <bioterror> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio C
[04:47] <bioterror> ontroller (rev 01)
[04:48] <andri> wtf.. AMI BIOS detected: BIOS may corrupt low RAM, working around it.
[04:49] <andri> Audio device: Creative Labs [SB X-Fi Xtreme Audio] CA0110-IBG
[04:50] <andri> Well I'm trying to play a youtube video and it gives me no sound..
[04:51] <bioterror> does something else works?
[04:52] <andri> I haven't heard any sound whatsoever
[04:55] <andri> Btw, is there a way to mount a disk that's dynamic volume of two disks?
[04:55] <bioterror> RAID=
[04:55] <bioterror> ?
[04:55] <andri> Don't think so
[04:55] <andri> It was just done with windows partition manager
[04:55] <andri> Disk manager or something
[04:56] <andri> But now that windows doesn't exist :S
[04:56] <bioterror> you should see it with gparted
[04:56] <andri> Don't think I have that installed
[04:57] <andri> Where can I get gparted?
[04:59] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install gparted
[05:00] <andri> Ok thanks! :D
[05:00] <andri> Wuth
[05:00] <andri> It doesn't work, it instantly closes down after I start it up.
[05:00] <bioterror> gksudo gparted
[05:01] <andri> glibmm-ERROR **:
[05:01] <andri> unhandled exception (type std::exception) in signal handler:
[05:01] <andri> what: basic_string::_S_create
[05:02] <bioterror> works fine in here
[05:02] <andri> Doesn't work for me
[05:02] <andri> weird
[05:03] <bioterror> what could be wrong with your system
[05:04] <andri> Gonna reboot brb
[05:06] <andri> Nope
[05:06] <andri> gparted still don't work
[05:06] <andri> how can I reinstall it?
[05:06] <bioterror> that was fast boot
[05:06] <andri> it was faster I was fooling around a bit before I opened irc
[05:06] <andri> :P
[05:06] <andri> and I also have to boot manually into the 3rd hdd i'm too lazy to edit the bios lol
[05:07] <andri> Cause last lubuntu install installed the bootloader into sda
[05:07] <andri> while my OS is on sdc
[05:08] <andri> But I still don't have sound or working gparted
[05:11] <andri> :o
[05:13] <andri> Anyways, I gotta go sleep. I'll work it out later!  Thanks for your help! :))
[05:15] <bioterror> mystical man he is :-)
[11:38] <daira> Hello, how to permanently change keyboard layout in lubuntu?
[11:52] <head_victim> daira: http://foo-gr.blogspot.com/2010/04/keyboard-layout-configuration-for.html looks promising
[11:53] <head_victim> You might just need to work out what the keyboard layout acronym is for the language you are wanting to use.
[11:56] <daira> head_victim, thx
[11:56] <head_victim> daira: no worries, also just saw https://edge.launchpad.net/lxkeymap
[11:57] <head_victim> But I can't seem to find anywhere to get the files for that gui version I just posted.
[11:59] <head_victim> Oh hang on the deb is available at http://zevenos.com/files/lxkeymap_0.2_all.deb according to https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg02406.html
[11:59] <JoeMaverickSett> it's in the synaptics package manager. :)
[11:59] <head_victim> JoeMaverickSett: I couldn't find it
[11:59] <head_victim> What's it called?
[11:59] <JoeMaverickSett> head_victim: lxkeymap
[12:00] <head_victim> Hmm
[12:00] <head_victim> Oh I haven't added the PPA yet, it might be there but it's not on my Lubuntu here :/
[12:00] <daira> head_victim, i have no xorg.conf.d folder in X11
[12:00] <JoeMaverickSett> head_victim: i've never added any ppa for my lubuntu. O_o?
[12:01] <JoeMaverickSett> daira: try finding "lxkeymap" first in synaptics package manager.
[12:01] <daira> thx
[12:01] <head_victim> JoeMaverickSett: I don't seem to have it, I'm running 10.10 if that matters?
[12:02] <head_victim> I was just using apt-get from command line but I double checked in synaptic
[12:02] <JoeMaverickSett> head_victim: i have no idea now. i'm also running 10.10
[12:03] <daira> i cant find it also
[12:03] <head_victim> JoeMaverickSett:  I think you have the PPA installed
[12:03] <JoeMaverickSett> weird. :/
[12:04] <daira> can i modify /etc/default/locale?
[12:05] <daira> can i modify /etc/default/locale     ?
[12:05] <head_victim> daira: what version are you running? 10.10?
[12:05] <daira> zes
[12:05] <daira> yes : )
[12:05] <head_victim> daira: head to https://edge.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=maverick
[12:06] <head_victim> Follow the instructions to add that PPA and then you can just install the lxkeymap program which looks the best way of achieving your desired results.
[12:06] <JoeMaverickSett> okie, although i now have the lxkeymap, my language is not listed. :(
[12:06] <JoeMaverickSett> how sad! :'(
[12:08] <head_victim> I use English (en_AU locale) so pretty easy to find stuff that works fortunately.
[12:14] <daira> it says that my locale is not installed on my system
[12:15] <head_victim> daira: what is your locale?
[12:15] <daira> it is croatian, hr
[12:15] <daira> although i can type on my locale now, i will try to reboot
[12:16] <JoeMaverickSett> does the lucid-bleed ppa work for you guys?
[12:16] <JoeMaverickSett> mine always fails to download.
[12:22] <daira> Hello, as i said it is back to us
[12:22] <daira> after reboot
[12:23] <head_victim> Odd.
[12:23] <head_victim> Hang on I'll have another google.
[12:23] <daira> can i make a script that will run on startup that will do sudo setxkbmap hr
[12:23] <head_victim> Surely can (if that's the command that makes it work for you)
[12:24] <head_victim> If you want to do anything like that just add the command to the file /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart on the bottom line with an "@" in front of it.
[12:24] <daira> it works here but not in terminal
[12:25] <daira> when i set it with that command
[12:25] <daira> šđčćž
[12:25] <daira> in terminal i see ??????
[12:25] <head_victim> Ah
[12:26] <daira> i have added that to autostart, i will reboot to check if it works
[12:26] <head_victim> Ok
[12:30] <daira> hey guys, FYI it works : )
[12:31] <daira> šđčćž
[12:31] <head_victim> Glad it works
[12:31] <head_victim> I have no idea what you're typing :D
[12:34] <bioterror> daira, looks good
[12:35] <bioterror> Обучим секретарей и менеджеров работать с сайтом!
[12:35] <bioterror> :D
[13:32] <audio> bioterror: Do I remember correctly from a previous chat that you use Gigolo to access Windows/Samba shares using 10.10? If so does it work OK for you?
[13:33] <audio> I used it fine on 10.04, 10.10 - problems
[13:33] <bioterror> gigolo? :o
[13:33] <bioterror> I use PCmanFM with gvfs-backends
[13:33] <audio> Is that not gigolo - I thought it was the same.
[13:34] <bioterror> gigolo uses gvfs-backends
[13:34] <audio> How do you browse the LAN?
[13:34] <bioterror> browse lan, what do you mean by that
[13:35] <audio> How do you display a list of available shares?
[13:35] <bioterror> PCManFM shows it to me
[13:35] <bioterror> it shows my group called SAPPORO
[13:35] <bioterror> and machines behind SAPPORO
[13:35] <head_victim> PCmanFM works for me as well as long as you install the gvfs-backen
[13:35] <audio> OK that is what Gigolo did for me on 10.04
[13:35]  * phillw waves to bioterror
[13:36] <bioterror> hi phillw
[13:36] <bioterror> gigolo might be something for the xfce users, but we with lxde, we have PCmanFM ;)
[13:36] <phillw> dratted 3G device ran out of bandwidth, and did not automatically switch to the new package I'd put on it :(
[13:37] <audio> is gvfs-backend a standard repo package?
[13:37] <bioterror> it should be, but it's missing from the 10.10 installation package
[13:37] <bioterror> for a mystical, but inhuman reason
[13:37] <phillw> bioterror: I think it was an 'oops' moment :P
[13:37] <bioterror> hahaha
[13:38] <bioterror> yeah, I bet someone left a little "d'
[13:38] <bioterror> yeah, I bet someone left a little "d'oh" out of his mouth
[13:38] <audio> So I have to install gvfs-backend separately is that correct?
[13:38] <bioterror> just say "sudo apt-get install gvfs-backends"
[13:38] <phillw> audio: for the time being, yes.
[13:38] <audio> OK
[13:38] <bioterror> nothing more, nothing less
[13:38] <bioterror> it should be added to lubuntu-desktop or something
[13:39] <phillw> dyfet: SIT STILL !!!! :p
[13:39] <bioterror> :D
[13:39] <bioterror> easy boy, easy!
[13:39] <bioterror> ;D
[13:39] <dyfet> Having connectivity fun today :)
[13:39] <phillw> dyfet: we all have days like that :)
[13:40]  * JoeMaverickSett does everyhour of almost everyday. ;)
[13:40] <phillw> hiyas lab animal, I hope your days goes well :)
[13:40] <JoeMaverickSett> phillw: yes, it is.
[13:41] <JoeMaverickSett> phillw: btw, the dd thing still did not solve the I/o Errors. :/
[13:41] <phillw> kewl, I see that mohi is trying to sell you for 1000USD :D
[13:41] <JoeMaverickSett> phillw: so, i did a fresh install left 20GB for testing, and now i'm on Ubuntu Maverick. :)
[13:41] <phillw> JoeMaverickSett: I suspect the hard drive is poorly.
[13:42] <JoeMaverickSett> phillw: i guess so. :-/ i did wipe everything. but no luck.
[13:42] <phillw> I have a spare 500GB 2.5" SATA laptop drive, but I'm in the UK.
[13:42] <JoeMaverickSett> phillw: i'll get it when i get there. :P
[13:42] <JoeMaverickSett> ah, btw, we are getting offtopic. ;D
[13:43] <phillw> in fact, I'm pretty sure I have 2.
[13:43]  * phillw oops, wrong tab !!
[13:44] <JoeMaverickSett> btw, my lubuntu is showing up that, http://ppa.launchpad.net/lucid-bleed/ppa/ubuntu/  has failed to download. :/
[13:44] <audio> OK I have installed gvfs-backends and started PCmanFM how do I show the remote shares?
[13:47] <head_victim> audio: click "go" and then there should be "network drives"
[13:48] <JoeMaverickSett> head_victim: if we got ppa:lubuntu-desktop/ppa, lxkeymap would have been in the synaptics. :) [just to let you know.]
[13:48] <audio> head_victim: Got it - thanks.
[13:48] <head_victim> JoeMaverickSett: yeah that's where I sent her in the end ;)
[13:48] <head_victim> audio: no worries mate
[13:49] <JoeMaverickSett> head_victim: oh, okie.cool! ;D
[13:49] <head_victim> Hm I assumed a her, could have easily been a he. Sorry for that.
[13:49] <JoeMaverickSett> head_victim: no problem. :D
[13:51] <JoeMaverickSett> what are the other ppa for lubuntu apart from ppa:lubuntu-desktop/ppa?
[13:52] <audio> OK I have all the network shares listed in PCManFM - which is good.
[13:53] <audio> If I create a leafpad document how do I save it to a share?  How do I find the share in leafpad?
[13:54] <head_victim> I'd just navigate through pcmanfm and either right click on what you want to open or just create a new empty document where you wanted it.
[13:55] <audio> Yes I can do that.  However, I would also like to know how to do it from within an app like leafpad.
[13:55] <head_victim> Ah k, I haven't used leafpad much, I generally stick to nano sorry.
[13:55] <audio> Just have to find out wher the mount point for the share is.
[13:58] <audio> Got it.  It is in a hidden directory ~/.gvfs
[13:59] <head_victim> Ah yeah I remember that now you mention it. Sorry I'm a little tired at the moment.
[14:01] <audio> Does anyone know why the shares are in a hidden directory?  It makes it awkward for novice users to find the shares from say a word-processor or graphics editor.
[14:02] <audio> It would be simpler if they were in plain view in either the home dir or on tyhe desktop.
[14:03] <dyfet> .gvfs I recall kind of maps shares arbitarily as needed.  I imagine the theory is that you  don't want it "directly" visible, only instances that are mounted...
[14:03] <dyfet> (and other fuse things, of course...)
[14:03] <head_victim> audio: you can mount them wherever you like from memory that's just the "default" location.
[14:04] <audio> head_victim: any clue how to do that?
[14:04] <head_victim> I use fstab
[14:04] <head_victim> Then it automounts on boot to a location of my choosing
[14:05] <head_victim> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab
[14:05] <head_victim> It's the first real CLI stuff I ever did.
[14:06] <head_victim> Once you get the options right it's really simple.
[14:07] <head_victim> But I have to head off now as I'm falling asleep at my desk.
[14:07] <audio> head_victim: Thanks for the link - I am comfortable with fstab but was looking for a dynamic solution rather than fixed.
[14:07] <audio> sllep well - thanks
[14:07] <audio> *sleep
[14:07] <head_victim> Ah, don't use fstab just use the "mount" command.
[14:07] <head_victim> You can mount and unmount at will.
[14:08] <audio> dynamic and gui based for novice users.
[14:08] <dyfet> There is also autofs/automounter...
[14:08] <head_victim> Oh
[14:08] <audio> something like the old pyneighbourhood.
[14:08] <audio> or Gigolo
[14:09] <audio> dyfet: Don't know autofs.automounter
[14:10] <dyfet> autofs basically is an automount system.  It works particularly well with accessing nfs shares
[14:10] <audio> and Samba too?
[14:11] <dyfet> Not as easily, since it runs as a system daemon.  Hence, you kind of are stuck with which credentials you use.  gvfs is kinda like autofs, but operates at the user level...
[14:11] <head_victim> Good luck audio & dyfet see you later
[14:11] <audio> thanks - bye
[14:12] <audio> dyfet: not sure about that as I have exclusively Samba shares.
[14:14] <dyfet> If you are the only user on the machine, autofs might work fine for you.  If you need to login as different users who have different authentication info for the samba shares, it porbably wont
[14:15] <Mohan_chml> phillw: any new bid for my Lab animal??? I think 0.50 $ is the last one I got
[14:17] <audio> dyfet multiple users here and ultimately a Samba based PDC for authentication printing etc.
[14:18] <dyfet> You might try using gigilo then.  There was also a cute utility out there that scans and maps all the samba shares into a directory tree, but you would need to come up with a way to start and stop the daemon as users login and out....
[14:20] <audio> dyfet: Can you recall the name or authors site address for the utility?
[14:20] <dyfet> I am trying to...It was about 6 months ago that I played with it briefly...
[14:20] <audio> Think hard and recall well.  Here's hoping...
[14:21] <dyfet> Ah...I think it was fusesmb...
[14:21] <dyfet> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FuseSmb
[14:23] <audio> Interestingly that page recommends smbnetfs as fusesmb has several outstanding bug reports.
[14:24] <dyfet> What was nice was that each user could have separate authentication credentials and it would automatically map and mount all the shares that user can access which it found into a directory tree on the user's home...but I did not play with it other than trying it out once...
[14:24] <dyfet> So I am not sure of the bug issues :)
[14:25] <audio> Well... it gives me another option.
[14:26] <dyfet> Certainly worth looking at
[14:28] <phillw> audio: you may want to have a quick look at http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=96 It may, or may not, be of help to you.
[14:28] <audio> Also now I have installed gvfs-backends, Gigolo is now working correctly.
[14:37] <audio> phillw: thanks foe the link.  I was hoping to find a GUI mechanism rather than fixed means via fstab.  That way users might be able to do it for themselves. gvfs-backends almost does what I want but seems to need the share to be opened via PCManFM before it is accessible (mounted?)
[14:38] <audio> Gigolo is now working (after installing gvfs-backends) and will automount the shares.
[14:39] <audio> 2 problems it uses the hidden directory ~/.gvfs which is not user friendly, and how to start Gigolo at boot-up?
[14:41] <phillw> audio: it sounds to me that you need some added functionality in pcmanfm, the author is always willing to listen to what people want it to do.
[14:41] <phillw> he does not bite :)
[14:41] <bioterror> pcman is awesome ;)
[14:42] <audio> How to start an X-app from boot-up in Lubuntu?
[14:43] <bioterror> sad157@bukkake ~/.config/autostart $ ls
[14:43] <bioterror> bluetooth-applet.desktop  gnome-at-session.desktop  mintwelcome.desktop  print-applet.desktop
[14:51] <audio> bioterror: 2 questions is the email address sad... for pcman?  Is there a system wide equivalent of ~/.config/autostart i.e. 1 entry per machine which is executed for each user when they boot-up/login?
[14:51] <bioterror> that's done when login
[14:51] <bioterror> maybe someone could help out more, I havent had a need to load anything on login
[14:51] <audio> OK
[14:52] <audio> was the email address for pcman?
[14:53] <bioterror> From: PCMan<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:53] <head_victim> audio: you mean /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart ?
[14:54] <head_victim> (I'm really asleep, honest)
[14:54] <audio> head_victim: does that allow X apps to be started at boot-up/login? (Yawn)
[14:55] <head_victim> That's where I start my conky, amsn, xchat and skype from
[14:55] <head_victim> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1518818
[14:56] <audio> head_victim: That looks good.  Thanks and sleep again.
[14:57] <head_victim> audio: yeah I'm really going this time :)
[14:58] <Kosava> Hello, does is possible to change folder icons in Pcmanfm ?
[14:59] <bioterror> what?
[15:03] <Kosava> I want to add specific icon for specific folder, here is some folder icon pack http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Faenza-Cupertino-LucaMod?content=133876
[15:08] <thevishy> if i need to run lubuntu from harddisk ISO is that possible ?
[15:11] <phillw> thevishy: yes, but you need to need manually edit a grub entry.
[15:12] <thevishy> yeah I can do that fine
[15:12] <thevishy> but need to know what to give . Like i tried a few things but it didnt come up
[15:12] <thevishy> is the iso a LIVE CD ?
[15:17] <phillw> thevishy: yes it is, as well as the install system. you can also consider running from usb with persistance turned on, thus keeping your changes etc.
[15:20] <thevishy> thanks ok
[15:23] <phillw> thevishy: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275 covers about using grub to boot an iso.
[15:23] <phillw> drs305 (Dave) is a really nice guy, and far more an expert on matters grub.
[15:49] <audio> When using gvfs is it possible change the default location for mounts of remote shares from ~/.gvfs to a different directory?
[15:53] <andrii> My internet doesn't work on lubuntu. (Wired) It worked fine yesterday, I've double checked and the cable is definitely connected..
[15:55] <andrii> Any ideas what might be causing this?
[15:58] <phillw> andrii: I've not seen that problem, so cannot really help. You may want to have a read of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall#Unmanaged%20Wired%20Network but I do not think that is the issue :(
[16:03] <audio> andril: Has your PC been given an IP address?
[16:04] <Work|MOP> are you behind a router?
[16:05] <andrii> I am behind a router yes, but my computer with lubuntu wont even open the router (router ip)
[16:06] <andrii> I tried another cable, no go.
[16:06] <Work|MOP> try direct to modem
[16:06] <andrii> I checked system profiler, it detects the ethernet card in the computer
[16:06] <andrii> Direct modem??
[16:06] <Work|MOP> you know how it goes cable modem > router> you
[16:06] <andrii> I don't think that's possible
[16:06] <Work|MOP> go cable modem > you
[16:06] <andrii> Either way it would be too much trouble.. Doesn't make sense since my wireless network works?
[16:07] <Work|MOP> yea it is..grab the source that goes in router from behind =p
[16:07] <Work|MOP> router lan ports could be dead
[16:07] <Work|MOP> this is troubleshooting
[16:07] <Work|MOP> you do stuff like this to troubleshoot
[16:07] <Work|MOP> to narrow down your options
[16:07] <andrii> Our TV works and we get that through LAN port
[16:08] <Work|MOP> where ar eyou at in the world?
[16:08] <andrii> And Ill try to see if my ps3 gets internet access one sec.
[16:08] <Work|MOP> Thats interesting
[16:08] <andrii> ICeland
[16:08] <Work|MOP> Mine goes cable line  >splitter
[16:08] <Work|MOP> splitter one to modem
[16:08] <Work|MOP> splitter 2 to tv
[16:09] <andrii> I go some cable shit mix in the basement storage made by some dudes
[16:09] <andrii> Something cables shit blah > router
[16:10] <andrii> And router gives us all the internet we need.
[16:11] <andrii> Oh and get this, my ps3 can access the internet with the same cable I connected to my PC.
[16:11] <andrii> It's like the lubuntu system is broken or something..
[16:12] <Work|MOP> do you have a livecd?
[16:12] <audio> Do you have the network connection icon on the PC panel (taskbar) 2 small arrows?
[16:12] <andrii> I have one but I'm not running my lubuntu from there
[16:12] <andrii> yeah
[16:12] <andrii> they say no connectino
[16:13] <audio> No IP address?
[16:13] <audio> fort eth0
[16:13] <audio> *for eth0
[16:13] <andrii> Says "No network connection"
[16:14] <Work|MOP> in the eth0 spot?
[16:14] <andrii> eth0 says last used NEVER
[16:14] <andrii> When I used it last night..
[16:14] <andrii> the eth0 spot is there allright
[16:14] <andrii> And I can edit it
[16:15] <audio> Has the PC been rebooted since the connection was lost?
[16:15] <andrii> Yeah
[16:17] <andrii> I deleted the eth0 and I'm rebooting now.
[16:17] <andrii> WHich didn't yield any results.
[16:18] <audio> Is it possible to use a different port to connect the cable to the router?
[16:18] <Work|MOP> maybe ip conflicts
[16:19] <andrii> I've already tried two different cables connected in two different ports.
[16:19] <audio> Is the router your DHCP server?
[16:19] <Work|MOP> two different ports =/= different ip
[16:19] <andrii> I don't know, is there a way to find out?
[16:19] <andrii> How do I assign different ip?
[16:20] <audio> How do you normally configure the router? it is often via a web browser.
[16:20] <andrii> Yeah
[16:21] <audio> can you do that from the machine you are using now?
[16:21] <andrii> Yes
[16:21] <andrii> What should I do?
[16:22] <audio> Check to find the DHCP server in the router and check if the lease has expired for the problem PC.
[16:23] <andrii> when I open up the ethport1 which is my laptop connected with a cable, it says IP address assignment: dhcp
[16:25] <andrii> How would I find the dhcp server?
[16:26] <audio> It is often a web page in the router.  Do you have a menu or something like that?
[16:26] <andrii> Yeah
[16:26] <andrii> But I've been through some menus I can't find anything like a dhcp server.. what does it look like?
[16:27] <audio> Its different with every router but will probably show IP addresses.
[16:28] <andrii> The only thing I find related to this dhcp is on each device on my network
[16:29] <audio> Is the problem PC shown?
[16:29] <andrii> Nope
[16:30] <andrii> I also kinda did delete eth0 from the problem pc but that was just recently to see if it would automatically acquire new one..
[16:31] <audio> The idea of checking the router/DHCP is to eliminate the possibility of an expiered lease for the problem PC IP address. Can you see any way to do this?
[16:34] <Work|MOP> have you power cycled the router >.>
[16:35] <andrii> The only device on port2 is hulk which is the name of the pc when I was using windows.. but that one says DHCP Lease Time:	0 days, 23:47:57
[16:35] <andrii> Power cycled my router?
[16:35] <Work|MOP> turned it off and unplug it
[16:35] <Work|MOP> for a few minutes
[16:35] <Work|MOP> haha
[16:36] <andrii> Would the problem PC automatically acquire a new eth0 ?
[16:36] <andrii> Cause I deleted it hoping a reboot would generate a new one
[16:36] <andrii> Which it didn't.. :p
[16:37] <Work|MOP> just type eth0 back into the network manager
[16:37] <andrii> network manager?
[16:37] <Work|MOP> just guessing cause in debian for my laptop I just have to type wlan0 for my wireless to work on a fresh install
[16:37] <audio> If the problem PC is set to use DHCP it should get an IP address from the router DHCP server.
[16:38] <andrii> Let me power cycle then 1 moment
[17:53] <andrii> well that didnt work
[17:57] <andrii> well I found out my DHCP server
[17:58] <Work|MOP> yea sorry I have to do this every other month with my router
[17:58] <Work|MOP> So tell more about dhcp
[18:00] <andrii> what u mean?
[18:01] <andrii> the dhcp address is <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:01] <andrii> But I have to go, I'll be back in 15 minutes. Hope u will still be here!+
[18:01] <Work|MOP> my touer begins to stop giving out ips etc so I have to power recycle every so often
[18:01] <Work|MOP> okay
[18:01] <bioterror> hey
[18:02] <bioterror> tell me what's that lubuntu powermanager
[18:02] <bioterror> that battery software
[18:02] <bioterror> gotta know it asap
[18:02] <Work|MOP> can't tell you for sure...
[18:02] <bioterror> gnome-power-manager?
[18:03] <Work|MOP> sounds right to me!
[18:03] <Work|MOP> I dont' have my mini on me
[18:03] <Work|MOP> I have lubuntu in vm but it doesn' tshow a battery
[18:08] <bioterror> hmm
[18:17] <andrii> So
[18:17] <andrii> I'm back.
[18:18] <andrii> I need to start by making a new eth connection. Does it go into wired connection?
[18:19] <Work|MOP> man I could tell you but I am prob just as new as this as you are
[18:19] <Work|MOP> I just know in network manager your wifi usually says wlan0
[18:19] <andrii> Dang
[18:19] <Work|MOP> and wired says eth0
[18:19] <andrii> How do I open network manager?
[18:19] <bioterror> nm-applet
[18:19] <audio> andril: do you want to make some other checks first?
[18:20] <andrii> Okay, which checks?
[18:20] <audio> Just to see that your NIC is recognized etc
[18:20] <andrii> Ok tell me what to do
[18:21] <audio> System tools ->System profiler and benchmarks
[18:21] <audio> Kernel Modules
[18:22] <audio> Scroll down the list looking for an entry with eth0
[18:22] <audio> or Ethernet Driver
[18:23] <andrii> I only see under Benchmarks: CPU Blowfish, CPU CryptoHash, CPU Fibonacci, CPU N-Queens, FPU FFT and FPU Raytracing
[18:23] <audio> At the head of the list Computer-> Kernel Modules
[18:24] <andrii> ah ok
[18:24] <andrii> I found my Gigabyte ethernet driver
[18:24] <andrii> called r8169
[18:24] <audio> good. your machine found it
[18:25] <audio> In the network section
[18:25] <andrii> YEah
[18:25] <audio> Interfaces
[18:25] <audio> is eth0 there?
[18:25] <andrii> Yes
[18:26] <audio> with an IP address?
[18:26] <bioterror> hey
[18:26] <andrii> No+
[18:26] <bioterror> tell me what's that lubuntu volume applet?
[18:26] <bioterror> cant find it from meta package
[18:27] <audio> andril: next section IP connections
[18:27] <andrii> THere's a bunch of stuff there..  6 entries
[18:28] <andrii> Its all just <IP_ADDRESS> stuff
[18:28] <andrii> Some with ports like <IP_ADDRESS>:123
[18:28] <audio> any IP address  192.xxx.xxx.xxx?
[18:28] <andrii> nope
[18:28] <audio> OK
[18:28] <andrii> So this means that my PC needs to be given a IP address by the router?
[18:29] <slow-motion> hi
[18:29] <audio> Your machine has found the, installed the driver but not been allocated an IP address by the DHCP server.
[18:29] <andrii> Is there a way to fix this?
[18:29] <audio> *found the NIC
[18:30] <audio> depends if the problem is the PC or the router.
[18:31] <audio> On the panel left click the network icon 2 arrows
[18:31] <audio> is there an entry for eth0?
[18:32] <audio> andril: panel=task bar
[18:35] <andrii> Sorry, if you said anything I haven't seen it
[18:35] <andrii> My browser crashed after I sent the last message
[18:35] <audio> OK where are you upto?
[18:36] <andrii> Where am I up to?
[18:36] <andrii> Oh
[18:36] <andrii> Well, I told you that the internet was working yesterday
[18:36] <audio> What is the last message you saw before the browser crash?
[18:36] <andrii> The one I sent
[18:37] <audio> send again.
[18:37] <andrii> ----I don't remember it was something about all other devices worked yesterday
[18:37] <andrii> Lol no wait
[18:37] <andrii> All other devices WORK
[18:37] <andrii> And the problem pc worked yesterday
[18:37] <audio> NO No wait...
[18:38] <audio> what is the last part of our conversation you saw?
[18:39] <andrii> BLargh I don't remember you said that the pc got nic and installed drivers but dont got ip from dchp or sumtn and that it couild maybe be fixed depending on if its a router problem or pc problem
[18:39] <audio> andril: Ok  lets continue...
[18:39] <andrii> Then I told you that all other devices that connect to the internet work (all wlan, ps3, laptop via cable, tv etc)
[18:40] <andrii> Ok
[18:40] <audio> On the panel left click the network icon 2 arrows
[18:40] <andrii> Aye
[18:40] <audio> is there an entry for eth0?
[18:40] <audio> Auto eth0 that should be
[18:41] <andrii> ONly grayed out "Wired Network" under it is grayed out disconnected. Then there's vpn connection that let me open some connection manager or someting
[18:42] <audio> OK another question.  Your machine was working yesterday, did you run any Lubuntu updates or cahnge any hardware?
[18:42] <audio> *change
[18:42] <andrii> not that I remember, I just shut it down and went to sleep..
[18:43] <audio> and it closed down normally?
[18:43] <andrii> I did install ati control panel but the internet was working after that
[18:43] <andrii> Yeah
[18:43] <audio> OK
[18:43] <audio> are you OK at the command line?
[18:45] <audio> andril: ?
[18:46] <andrii> So what, I need to reinstall Lubuntu or what?
[18:46] <andrii> haha sorry
[18:46] <andrii> Omg it doesn't auto scroll down..
[18:46] <andrii> Ok... Ok at the command line?
[18:47] <andrii> What do you mean?
[18:47] <audio> have you opened lxterminal?
[18:47] <andrii> yea
[18:47] <audio> OK
[18:48] <audio> copy and paste this
[18:48] <andrii> ok
[18:48] <audio> ifconfig eth0 up
[18:48] <audio> and press return
[18:49] <andrii> done that
[18:49] <andrii> Nothing really happened though..
[18:49] <audio> OK type ifconfig
[18:49] <audio> and press return
[18:49] <audio> look for an IP address
[18:49] <andrii> aye
[18:50] <audio> 192.xxx.xxx.xxx
[18:50] <andrii> only see localhost (<IP_ADDRESS>
[18:50] <audio> OK
[18:50] <audio> nearly out of possibilities now.
[18:50] <andrii> :s
[18:51] <audio> when you came to the room earlier today did you follow the guidance by phillw on the web page link he gave?
[18:52] <andrii> Yes
[18:52] <andrii> They didn't work
[18:52] <audio> OK
[18:53] <audio> the only other thing I can suggest is to remove the software you installed yesterday just in case it is causing some form of conflict
[18:54] <andrii> Hmm ok..
[18:54] <audio> another option would be to try a different network card if you have one.
[18:55] <andrii> I assigned an IP address to eth0
[18:56] <andrii> But that didn't work
[19:00] <andrii>  /sigh I've had nonstop problems with lubuntu and ubuntu since I was introduced to them. Why does it fascinate people??
[19:01] <bioterror> <3 problems <3
[19:01] <audio> It's normally a breeze.
[19:01] <andrii> It's been more of a storm than a breeze for me. CONSTANTLY. :<
[19:02] <andrii> And for some reason it doesn't work for me to install windows anymore
[19:02] <andrii> It just gives me cannot create or find existing partition on this disk
[19:02] <bioterror> :D
[19:02] <andrii> Like.. wtf?
[19:02] <audio> andril: We have established your NIC is seen by the system, the kernel modules are installed for it, that the cable is good, and the ports on the router have been changed.  You are not able to diagnose whether the router DHCP lease has expired so that remains a possibility.
[19:03] <audio> But it sounds like you may have other issues.
[19:03] <bioterror> heeeeyy
[19:03] <bioterror> can someone really click the right mouse button on the volume control applet on the systray and tell me what the about says
[19:03] <ode2oddness> hello
[19:03] <ode2oddness> i have some trouble
[19:03] <andrii> What issues?
[19:04] <ode2oddness> Pidgin doesn't places inside SysTray
[19:04] <audio> bioterror: LXPanel 0.5.6
[19:04] <bioterror> audio, daamn
[19:04] <ode2oddness> it's the only problem i encountered in this otherwise Easy to use system ;P
[19:05] <ode2oddness> can anyone help me ?
[19:05] <ode2oddness> or maybe install other IM ??
[19:05] <bioterror> you can try "amsn"
[19:05] <bioterror> if you use pidgin for the msn
[19:05] <audio> being unable to install Windows is not a good indicator
[19:05] <ode2oddness> nah
[19:05] <ode2oddness> i am from Poland and i use mainly GG ;P
[19:06] <ode2oddness> ???
[19:06] <bioterror> have you checked prefences
[19:06] <ode2oddness> i guess
[19:06] <ode2oddness> i will just reinstall that fcking Pidgin\
[19:06] <andrii> What could be wrong with the hdd?
[19:06] <ode2oddness> 2.7.4 version just appeared
[19:07] <audio> andril: I'm curious how long have you had Lubuntu installed and what version is it?
[19:07] <andrii> I deleted the partitions, created a new one, formatted.. and can't install...
[19:07] <ode2oddness> since few hours
[19:07] <ode2oddness> on notebok
[19:07] <ode2oddness> *notebook
[19:07] <andrii> Newest, since yesterday
[19:07] <ode2oddness> ok
[19:07] <bioterror> ode2oddness,
[19:07] <bioterror> hey
[19:08] <bioterror> found it for ya
[19:08] <bioterror> preferences -> interface
[19:08] <bioterror> tools -> preferences -> interface -> your systray
[19:08] <bioterror> I bet it says "never" ;)
[19:08] <audio> andril: I don't like to suggest it but it might be easier to start again than to try and diagnose and fix the current issues.
[19:09] <andrii> Setup was unable to create a new system partition or locate an existing system partition. See the Setup log files for more information. Wtf where are those files?
[19:09] <andrii> Yeah I guess soþþ
[19:09] <andrii> Should I bother with that swap thing?
[19:10] <audio> Is that a message from the Lubuntu installer?
[19:10] <andrii> No, windows one.
[19:10] <ode2oddness> TY anyway for help i will handle it myself
[19:10] <bioterror> hahahaha
[19:10] <audio> Are you now dropping Lubuntu and installing Windows?
[19:11] <bioterror> that was grateful guy
[19:11] <andrii> I'm not, but I want windows as well cause it's a gaming pc :p
[19:11] <andrii> I made two partitions for each OS.
[19:11] <andrii> Turns out that the lubuntu one just effs up and I can't even install the windows lol,..
[19:12] <audio> I don't know why that is I installed Windows and Lubuntu 2 days ago and they just worked OK.
[19:13] <andrii> might this be  related to the bios?
[19:13] <andrii> The computer is overclocked
[19:13] <andrii> Unlocked extra 2 cores etc.
[19:13] <audio> Why do you suspect the bios?
[19:13] <andrii> Just exploring options..
[19:13] <audio> dunno?
[19:15] <audio> andril: does windows still work?
[19:15] <andrii> No I removed windows already
[19:16] <audio> OK
[19:16] <andrii> hmm
[19:16] <audio> andril: another thought occurs
[19:16] <andrii> I think grub is still installed on my OS HDD even though I have deleted all partitions and formatted it??
[19:17] <audio> You have the Lubuntu 10.10 Live CD
[19:17] <andrii> Yeah
[19:17] <andrii> Oh and I also found out that when I first installed lubuntu, it installed grub on sda which is a dynamic drive.
[19:18] <andrii> Might those files be interfering?
[19:18] <audio> If you boot the PC using that in Live mode it might allow a network connection to be established and prove the router DHCP and PC NIC are working OK.
[19:18] <andrii> Hmm Ok I'll do that.
[19:19] <andrii> Oh wait
[19:19] <andrii> Windows installs now
[19:19] <andrii> Wtf
[19:19] <andrii> The only thing I changed was the bootsequence..
[19:20] <Work|MOP> is installing or boots?
[19:20] <andrii> Installing.
[19:20] <andrii> Im going to cancel though cause I'm going to install it on a 50GB partition instead of the whole 500g
[19:21] <andrii> Isn't that smart?
[19:21] <Work|MOP> doesn't use the entire disk
[19:21] <Work|MOP> but yes I'd put it on the smaller HD
[19:21] <audio> When you install windows it will probably overwrite the MBR and possibly stop booting of Lubuntu.
[19:22] <andrii> I already deleted lubuntu
[19:22] <andrii> It was on disk1
[19:22] <andrii> and I deleted all partitions and formatted
[19:22] <andrii> THen I'll install lubuntu again at a later time.
[19:23] <andrii> All this tech hussling makes me dizzy lol
[19:23] <Work|MOP> I had to reformat like 7 times for lubuntu basic to evne work right =/
[19:23] <andrii> >_>;
[19:23] <andrii> If my whole disk1 is only 1 partition (whole size) is it possible to cut it down later?
[19:24] <audio> andril: Well you don't really need us any more if you are installing Windows and not Lubuntu.
[19:24] <andrii> True.
[19:24] <andrii> I was about to go and move some muscles anyway.
[19:24] <andrii> It's saddening that we couldn't figure out the problem but I guess a fresh new install works too :D
[19:25] <audio> Perhaps try it in Live mode first.
[19:25] <andrii> Yeah. Ok I'll try it later cause right now, I need to move some stiff muscles.. :p
[19:25] <andrii> I want to thank you sincerely for all your help today.
[19:25] <andrii> You have been most helpful!
[21:08] <Timo_> hey phillw!
[21:08] <Timo_> and everyone else
[21:08] <Timo_> Has anyone here tried Ubuntu 10.10?
[21:08] <Timo_> oh wait - I'll go to offtopic
[21:48] <nk_> phillw?
[21:58] <aaq> omg
[22:27] <nk_> her var det liv
[22:28] <friTTe|> nja tycker du?
[22:28] <nk_> :)
[23:35] <rob0917> How do I add icons to the desktop?
[23:38] <friTTe|> if its something from the mnu you can right click it then choose "add to desktop"
[23:38] <friTTe|> *menu
[23:41] <rob0917> ok thanks
[23:41] <friTTe|> did it work?
[23:42] <rob0917> yesthank you
[23:42] <rob0917> should have found it myself oh well
[23:43] <friTTe|> hehe its not that selfexplanatory
[23:43] <friTTe|> no problems, glad i could help =)
[23:43] <rob0917> how about adding to the panel?
[23:44] <rob0917> duh never mind
[23:44] <friTTe|> right click there aswell
[23:44] <friTTe|> depends on what you got on it
[23:44] <friTTe|> :)
[23:45] <friTTe|> hmm sucks sometimes when my Lubuntu is swedish when trying to explay hehe
[23:45] <friTTe|> *explain


[17:49] <sacolcor> My apologies if this isn't the correct forum; feel free to redirect me to the proper location.  The installer appears to have hung on me during a Feisty->Gutsy upgrade.  The last line in the terminal window is "Preconfiguring packages ...", but it's been like that for several hours.  Any ideas as to how I could run this down, and/or safely stop and restart the upgrade?  Thanks!
[18:08] <nxvl> hi
[18:08] <nxvl> is someone around?
[18:11] <nxvl> nevermind i just solved it
[23:02] <mshadle> is the order of parameters passed to the vmlinuz kernel important?
[23:02] <mshadle> i am using a CDROM through IPMI
[23:02] <mshadle> it can boot the CD, then it says it can't detect the CD
[23:02] <mshadle> but i hit enter a couple times through the locale settings and then it's like the CD is ready and it can check the installer components and install
[23:03] <mshadle> the weirdest thing
[23:20] <mshadle> weird
[23:20] <mshadle> just hitting enter to re-try the cdrom works.
[23:21] <mshadle> i need some way to delay and then retry automatically