[08:31] <JamesTait> Goooooooooooooooood morning all! :)
[09:51] <ralsina> good morning!
[09:54] <mandel> ralsina, morning!
[09:55] <mandel> ralsina, we have ui bugs for you in mac os x
[09:55] <ralsina> mandel: cool
[09:55] <mandel> ralsina, question, this week I'm helping alecu, right?
[09:55] <ralsina> mandel: the one about retina displays is for mmcc though
[09:55] <ralsina> mandel: yes please
[09:55] <mandel> ralsina, is there docs or emails I  should read to catch up?
[09:55] <ralsina> mandel: yes let me find some
[09:57] <mandel> ralsina, lisette wants to know about this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-sso-client/+bug/974637
[09:57] <mandel> ralsina, you shall talk with here :)
[09:57] <ralsina> mandel: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1LvOxNHxY-t6NjqL7l7DrH801HaKw50CR2DdbkKSmL1Q/edit#
[09:57] <ralsina> mandel: yes, I know, but it's 7AM here, I am just catching up with email ;-)
[09:57] <ralsina> mandel: but yes, that's probably the 1st thing I will work on today
[10:02] <mandel> ralsina, I'll be catching up today more than anything, so If you have reviews let me know
[10:02] <mandel> also, upgrading to Q
[10:07] <mandel> ralsina, I'm approving branches with a single review in the fsevents root daemon project.. I s better than having them there for ages
[10:21] <ralsina> mandel: sure. Looks like you got one out of order there.
[10:21] <ralsina> mandel: what do you think of mmcc's proposal to get the fsevents code into your daemon?
[10:21] <mandel> oh, I'll fix that
[10:23] <mandel> ralsina, is doable and not too much work in regards of the communication between python and the daemon since we can expose the same interface
[10:23] <mandel> ralsina, if that fixes the crashes we have I'm up for it
[10:24] <mandel> ralsina, though, remember that the knowledge of objective-c in the team is limited.. should it could be a problem in the future when looking for new members etc..
[10:38] <ralsina> mandel: I expect our need for obj-c to go down not up
[10:39] <mandel> ralsina, we can always push that project to the ios team ;)
[10:39] <ralsina> mandel: ja!
[10:40] <mandel> ralsina, well, they have the knowledge, and is a project that should not require too many changes..
[10:41] <ralsina> mandel: yes, but they are swamped already
[10:44] <ralsina> Whoa, need to wake up the kid
[10:44] <ralsina> will be back later
[12:06] <alecu> hello all!
[12:08] <diogobaeder> alecu, hello!
[12:08] <mandel> alecu, morning!
[12:09] <alecu> hola manuel, hola diogo :-)
[12:09] <alecu> I mean... bom dia, diogo!
[12:09] <mandel> alecu, AFAIK I'm helping you at least this week, do you mind if I have lunch and have a mumble?
[12:09] <alecu> mandel: no problem. I can catch up with mail in that case
[12:10] <mandel> alecu, awesome, I really need an intro on what is going etc..
[12:25] <mandel> off to have lunch
[12:25]  * mandel lunch
[12:40] <ralsina> buen dia alecu
[12:41] <ralsina> alecu: I think it's spanish-speaker day in #ubuntuone today since it's holiday in the US :-)
[13:05] <facundobatista> ralsina, like if USA wouldn't be almost spanish-speaking already!
[13:05] <ralsina> facundobatista: slowly we are taking them there
[13:05] <ralsina> facundobatista: thisfred is getting much better at it :-)
[13:06] <facundobatista> :)
[13:46] <mandel> alecu, mumble whenever you can :)
[13:47] <mandel> facundobatista, it the new way to conquer a country, if you do not have a bigger army just make their women fall in love with us :)
[13:47] <mandel> I think banderas helped a lot in our case :P
[13:50] <alecu> mandel: poor banderas... he is single handedly fighting on that!
[13:50] <alecu> mandel: let's mumble!
[13:50] <thisfred> mandel is balancing him out, probably
[13:50] <ralsina> and all he got for his worries was Melanie Griffith
[13:50] <ralsina> banderas, not mandel
[13:51]  * thisfred goes back to celebrating labour day by doing nothing.
[13:51] <thisfred> or maybe a little light coding ;)
[14:50] <ralsina> alecu, mandel: there's too few of us, let's skip standup.
[14:51] <alecu> ack
[14:51] <mandel> toma!
[14:51] <mandel> ok :)
[14:51] <mandel> I was about to write the notes
[15:06] <ralsina> alecu: tech leads
[15:48] <joshuahoover> ralsina: any idea what would cause this error? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1183782/
[16:02] <ralsina> joshuahoover: looking...
[16:02] <ralsina> joshuahoover: last I saw that, missing or broken syncdaemon.conf
[16:02] <joshuahoover> thanks
[16:02] <joshuahoover> ralsina: k, that's what i was thinking but seemed strange since this is a user who had a working setup for quite some time
[16:03] <ralsina> joshuahoover: strange then
[16:11] <mandel> EOD here, I need to pick up the family from the airport
[16:12] <mandel> ralsina, joshuahoover, seems like a bad command line param.. weird
[16:13] <ralsina> mandel: IIRC that happens if for example, you delete debug.conf
[16:14] <mandel> ralsina, no idea, let me check quickly
[16:15] <mandel> ralsina, running from source gives no error
[16:16] <mandel> well, I need to go or parents will be pissed off that I left them at the airport
[16:16] <ralsina> go go go
[20:09] <rye> thisfred: extreme twitter
[20:09] <rye> awesome, my scroll was at 2PM here, when thisfred was talking about IRC in thunderbird
[22:18] <Troy^> ok i'm trying to use ubuntuone via terminal is there a guide somewhere i can't seem to find it
[22:19] <Troy^> nvm found it https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Headless
[22:38] <Troy^> i;m having difficulties starting u1sdtool
[22:40] <Troy^> aparently bus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NotSupported: Unable to autolaunch a dbus-daemon without a $DISPLAY for X11
[22:40] <Troy^> i need a display?
[22:41] <Troy^> and the guide is for headless


[04:33] <micahg> ubuntu package bugs pages have been timing out for 3 days
[04:34] <micahg> on edge, regular LP works
[04:35] <mwhudson> micahg: can you check the same page on staging?
[04:36] <wgrant> That's known.
[04:36] <wgrant> I think the fix landed over night.
[04:36]  * wgrant checks.
[04:36] <wgrant> Yes, db-devel r8929
[04:36] <wgrant> So edge will remain broken until release.
[04:37] <micahg> yep
[04:37] <micahg> broke on staging
[04:37] <micahg> k
[04:39] <mwhudson> oh right, i think staging might be down entirely...
[04:46] <j^> hi, i want to import bugs from an old bug tracker
[04:46] <j^> i created an xml import file with the track migration code
[04:46] <j^> whats the next step?
[04:47] <j^> *xml created with trac-launchpad-migrator
[04:48] <wgrant> j^: Wait for the response on that question of yours. The Bugs developers were sprinting last week. If you don't get a response, perhaps poke gmb in here during London working hours.
[04:49] <j^> ok
[07:25] <mrooney> hello all, does anyone know if it is possible to have launchpad import translations automatically from an arbitrary branch, ie not just the "main" branch associated with the project?
[07:26] <dpm> jtv1, ^
[07:27] <mrooney> thanks :)
[07:31] <mrooney> I guess maybe I could make a 'translations' series and set the branch for that to my desired branch
[07:34] <al-maisan> Good morning!
[07:35] <mrooney> as a side question, does anyone know if a bug involving the display of launchpad.net/foobar/+translations is a bug in launchpad or rosetta?
[07:37] <dpm> mrooney, the Translations devs are not here yet, so in case you don't get any answer, you might want to try a bit later on
[07:41] <mrooney> dpm: okay, thanks :)
[07:51] <jtv> mrooney: it depends... can you show me what's going wrong?
[07:51] <jtv> (Sorry for the delay... a guy called Nick Serv was trying to pick a fight with me)
[07:52] <mrooney> jtv: https://translations.launchpad.net/wxbanker/trunk/+translations sort by last changed
[07:52] <mrooney> it seems to do a string sort, making "14 hours ago" the oldest
[07:53] <jtv> mrooney: yes, unfortunately it's a naïve string sort
[07:54] <jtv> as for whose bug it is... that is a matter of long-standing debate.  :)
[07:54] <mrooney> haha. is it already filed or shall I?
[07:54] <jtv> it's already filed somewhere... probably a long time ago.
[07:54] <mrooney> :'[
[07:56] <mrooney> if you happen to be able to dig it up, let me know, I was unable to find it but would love to subscribe
[07:56] <jtv> mrooney: actually, there's a whole constellation of concerns with this stuff; I don't think the specific issue of date sorting has been filed yet.
[07:57] <jtv> mrooney: one thing that I could imagine us doing is to embed a "normalized" date like 2010-01-26 invisibly in the HTML, and sorting by that.
[07:58] <jtv> But it does bloat the html and js, without fixing the wider problems of column-sorting.
[08:04] <jtv> hi jelmer!
[08:04] <jelmer> hey Jeroen!
[08:13] <dupondje> somebody else has the problem that the right part of launchpad is not floating right ?
[08:13] <dupondje> but on the right under the main items ?
[08:14] <persia> dupondje: Yep.
[08:14] <dupondje> who fucked the css ? ;)
[08:14] <persia> bug #493518
[08:14] <dupondje> k :)
[08:14] <persia> Someone probably ought set that Fix Committed, because it's fixed on edge.
[08:15] <persia> Also, !ohmy
[08:15] <persia> Err.
[08:15] <persia> !ohmy
[08:16] <persia> (Not that this is precisely an Ubuntu channel, but the same guidelines apply)
[08:23] <jtv> mrooney: the broken sorting is done in sorttable.js, which apparently is 3rd-party stuff...  It does have separate provisions for sorting by date, in theory, but pretty ugly and mostly irrelevant to us.
[09:34] <KaOS-bEat> There's a bug I want to report and launchpad always ends with an oops, contact an administrator, erasing all my careful bugreporting... so why is the oops, and how do I report a bug in such case?
[09:35] <persia> KaOS-bEat: What URL are you using to report the bug?
[09:35] <KaOS-bEat> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/?no-redirect
[09:36] <persia> Hrm.  I used that yesterday successfully, and wouldn't think it would be hit by the known timeouts issue.
[09:36] <KaOS-bEat> well, I was clicking on "this bug affects me too and got a similar OOPS"
[09:36] <persia> If you paste the OOPS ID it generates a URL that lets support folk review the issue.  That said, there doesn't seem to be a support contact right now.
[09:36] <persia> (see /topic)
[09:38] <KaOS-bEat> ok, I'll just try again, I typed it into a text editor lkast time, so I can just copy paste it back
[09:40] <KaOS-bEat> persia: ok bug submitted :)
[09:40] <KaOS-bEat> it didn't work the first three times :)
[09:41] <persia> Annoying, that.
[09:47] <wgrant> KaOS-bEat: Why are you using ?no-redirect?
[10:16] <KaOS-bEat> wgrant: I don't know, I just ckicked through, I didn't manually add this
[10:40] <lifeless> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~om26er is timing out for me, is this a known issue?
[10:40] <lifeless> OOPS-1487EA546
[11:25] <persia> lifeless: edge timeouts have been reported a *lot* recently.  I saw a comment that there was a fix that might land with the next release.  production seems to timeout less.
[11:26] <lifeless> persia: yes, its an edge bug and there is a fix going to pqm ~ now as it happens
[11:27] <persia> Aha!
[12:39] <jtv> mrooney: bug 512718... adiroiban and/or Ursinha may possibly know more about it
[12:49] <matsubara> jpds, ping
[12:50] <jpds> matsubara: Hi.
[13:52] <hyperair> is there a way to use the email interface to change the status of distro release targets? e.g. ubuntu/pm-utils/karmic or something?
[13:52] <hyperair> it's quite annoying to not be able to change the statuses of multiple targets in a bug at once.
[13:53] <hyperair> especially when touching a particularly large bug report with a particularly large number of comments over a slow connection.
[13:56] <akheron> I've uploaded an invalid orig.tar.gz to a PPA, can it be overridden somehow?
[13:57] <noodles775> akheron: only by incrementing the version and re-uploading.
[13:57] <noodles775> oic
[13:57] <akheron> incrementing the upstream version...
[13:58] <akheron> which isn't really in my hands, right :)
[14:00] <noodles775> akheron: sure. If you build another source package and include the new valid orig.tar.gz and dput that to you PPA, it should just work (as the md5 won't match the previous one)?
[14:00] <noodles775> (just a guess, but bigjools will know).
[14:00] <noodles775> s/another/another version of your
[14:01] <akheron> no
[14:02] <akheron> I uploaded another version and got rejected because the orig.tar.gz doesn't match the one already uploaded
[14:02] <noodles775> akheron: ok, I'll dig around, what's the exact error?
[14:02] <akheron> OTOH, this upload didn't supersede the previous one as it was for hardy and the previous one was for karmic
[14:03] <akheron> Rejected:
[14:03] <akheron> File jansson_1.2.orig.tar.gz already exists in PPA for Petri Lehtinen, but uploaded version has
[14:03] <akheron> different contents.
[14:03] <noodles775> Thanks.
[14:08] <wgrant> hyperair: affects ubuntu/karmic/pm-utils
[14:09] <wgrant> akheron: You cannot upload a different file with the same name.
[14:09] <akheron> yeah, seems reasonable
[14:10] <mars> deryck, just wondering if you caught this: http://davidsiegel.org/improving-bug-workflow-for-opportunistic-programmers/
[14:10] <deryck> mars, no.  will look later, thanks!
[14:10] <akheron> wgrant: so I have to mangle the upstream version somehow
[14:10] <noodles775> wgrant: so he has to supply an orig.tar.gz that's different....
[14:11] <noodles775> (what he said :)
[14:12] <jtv> If Mr. Patrick of HSBC really wants to transfer "$22,500,000.00 Dollars" to my account he could at least say whether they're US$ or HK$.
[14:24] <maxb> akheron: Generally people will append a short alphabetic string to the upstream version in this sort of situation
[14:24] <maxb> e.g. 1.2.3repack
[14:30] <akheron> maxb: ok
[14:30] <akheron> thinking again, I think I can live with the orig.tar.gz
[14:38] <lifeless> abentley: around?
[14:38] <lifeless> abentley: I have a vcs-imports <-> branch question
[14:38] <abentley> lifeless: Shoot
[14:38] <lifeless> this branch; https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/utils/main
[14:38] <lifeless> is a vcs import
[14:38] <lifeless> it is trunk for lp:utils
[14:39] <lifeless> however, we want to 'delete' lp:utils (or at least make it readonly or something) as there is also a project 'lp:bluez-utils'
[14:39] <lifeless> which is the same thing but more sensibly named
[14:39] <lifeless> however, https://edge.launchpad.net/bluez-utils/main has no branch associated ;)
[14:40] <lifeless> whats the best way to get a vcs import, of the url that https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/utils/main imports from, for https://edge.launchpad.net/bluez-utils/main
[14:40] <lifeless> I'm happy with renaming the branch across projects (if that works), push + pull + setup a new import, or whatever you recommend
[14:40] <lifeless> in fact, all the branches of lp:utils can sensibly be moved to lp:bluez-utils via a DB query, I suspect
[14:41] <lifeless> as lp:bluez-utils has no branches
[14:41] <lifeless> mthaddon: or perhaps we should delete bluez-utils and then do a rename
[14:42] <lifeless> mthaddon: no translations, bugs or specs in bluez-utils. I think we should delete it.
[14:43] <abentley> lifeless: The normal thing would be to just create a new import.
[14:43] <abentley> lifeless: I have no idea whether anyone is using lp:utils right now.
[14:43] <lifeless> mthaddon: the package bluez-utils has been renamed to bluez in Ubuntu I think. compare https://edge.launchpad.net/bluez-utils https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez
[14:43] <lifeless> abentley: And its ok to have two imports pointing at the same url ?
[14:43] <abentley> lifeless: If people are using it, deleting the project would break their link.
[14:44] <abentley> lifeless: I don't know whether it's okay to have two imports pointing at the same URL.  I'm guessing it is.
[14:45] <lifeless> abentley: I'm very sure they are not using it currently based on last modified dates for the 3 branches that are there.
[14:45] <lifeless> more than 1 year for all except a stale packaging branch
[14:45] <abentley> lifeless: On the whole, I'm okay with deleting it, because it's such a bad name.
[14:45] <bialix> hi, some odd question maybe, about translations @ LP (former Rosetta)
[14:46] <bialix> is it possible to use this service for closed source software?
[14:46] <henninge> bialix: shoot!
[14:46] <lifeless> abentley: there is also a libs, but it can be renamed because there isn't a bluez-libs yet
[14:46] <henninge> bialix: you will have to talk to bac about commercial subsriptions.
[14:47] <abentley> lifeless: So, I don't think you need an admin to disable the bluez-utils project and then rename the utils project to bluez-utils.
[14:47] <henninge> bialix: You can restrict who can do translations for you project.
[14:47] <lifeless> abentley: do you mean I can do it ?
[14:47] <henninge> bialix: but Rosetta does not have any privacy features, if that is what you want.
[14:47] <bac> bialix:  yes, you can use launchpad for closed source but we require you to purchase a commercial-use subscription
[14:47] <abentley> lifeless: Yes, because you are a registry expert.
[14:47] <bac> bialix:  yes, your translation strings will be exposed.
[14:48] <bialix> that's ok
[14:48] <lifeless> abentley: so, for clarity. you are suggesting clicking the 'active' field in 'review project'
[14:49] <abentley> lifeless: Right.
[14:49] <lifeless> abentley: how do you rename projects though? It used to be in +admin, but +admin isn't given by registry-experts
[14:49] <bialix> bac: so, if I'm OK to expose my strings, but don't host my branches there? is it OK?
[14:50] <lifeless> abentley: mthaddon so I've made bluez-utils inactive
[14:50] <lifeless> mthaddon: ^
[14:50] <bialix> I will give a talk about gettext and Rosetta this saturday, so if people will ask me about this for their project, what should I answer them to be correct?
[14:50] <abentley> lifeless: I guess you can't change the name of a project, only its title and display name?
[14:51] <maxb> bialix: I believe it says somewhere that you must licence your strings as BSD to use rosetta
[14:51] <mthaddon> lifeless: so what's been suggested (I haven't been following all of backscroll)?
[14:51] <bialix> maxb: that's fine
[14:51] <henninge> bialix: hosting your branches is not a requirement for free Launchpad usage but that the source code is available somewhere.
[14:51] <henninge> bialix: AFAIK we actually do have a privacy feature for branches - with a commercial subscription.
[14:51] <lifeless> mthaddon: current bluez-utils -> delete. rename utils to bluez-utils
[14:52] <lifeless> mthaddon: AFAICT rename is still admin only, not registry-experts (and we should change that, I think).
[14:52] <mthaddon> lifeless: and that isn't going to break anything for any of the distro folks?
[14:52] <bialix> henninge: so if the po files available under BSD and hosted at LP?
[14:52] <henninge> bialix: no ;-)
[14:52] <bialix> is it derived work in some sort?
[14:52] <henninge> bialix: the po files can be GPL
[14:53] <henninge> or anything else
[14:53] <bialix> ok, GPL
[14:53] <bialix> they are not linked with main code
[14:53] <bialix> mo files used as is
[14:53] <lifeless> mthaddon: I've found nothign on bluez-utils except some packaging links that I'm switching over to the utils project now
[14:54] <mthaddon> lifeless: done
[14:54] <henninge> bialix: any translations added in Launchpad will be BSD licensed but once  you export the po file again, it is a derivative of the original file and therefore GPL'ed.
[14:55] <henninge> talking about the file as a whole while single strings may be BSD because they were created in LP.
[14:55] <henninge> s/may/will/
[14:55] <bialix> henninge: ok, then I publish the po, translate it to mo and use it with my application?
[14:56] <bialix> henninge: bac: so safe answer: buy commercial license?
[14:56] <lifeless> mthaddon: thanks, I see you've renamed it to -old
[14:56] <bialix> and then do what you need?
[14:56] <henninge> bialix: Now I understand what you are getting at
[14:56] <mthaddon> lifeless: yep, you can't delete projects in LP
[14:56] <henninge> !
[14:56] <lifeless> mthaddon: we have one remaining packaging link that the web ui won't let us fix. jelmer is going to put togethe ra little db update for us
[14:56] <mthaddon> lifeless: and a bug report I assume?
[14:56] <bac> bialix:  yes, if your overall product is closed source then you'll need the commercial subscription.  they are US$250/project/year.
[14:57] <henninge> bialix: In order to use Launchpad for free, the source code must be open source. If the source code is not open source, buy a commercial license. This is independent of how you license the po files.
[14:57] <lifeless> mthaddon: once i get confirmation that it is duplicate, uneditable data - hell yes.
[14:57] <bialix> henninge: bac: ok, many thanks for clarifications!
[14:57] <mthaddon> cool
[14:58] <bac> bialix:  np.  contact me directly if you have additional questions.
[14:58] <henninge> bialix: licensing po files as GPL when the source code is closed source is tricky, though.
[14:59] <bialix> bac: I have one more: why commercial usage is not promoted as on github or bitbucket? It's really hard to get this sort of info
[14:59] <lifeless> heh, commercial usage came up nearly every day at lca.
[14:59] <lifeless> folk want it
[14:59] <henninge> bialix: The internationlized version of the program could be viewed as derivative work of the translations and therefore be violating the GPL if it's not GPL'ed.
[14:59] <bialix> henninge: I don't understand?
[15:00] <bialix> mo files are not linked in the usual sense
[15:00] <henninge> bialix: that is why I said "may" ;-)
[15:00] <lifeless> henninge: mmmm not really. You could argue its not 'mere aggregation' but it is definitely not derivation
[15:00] <bialix> okay :-)
[15:01] <henninge> bialix, lifeless: All I am saying that it's shaky legal ground, AFAIK.
[15:01] <bialix> henninge: fair enough for me
[15:01] <henninge> bialix: publish po files as BSD and you are fine.
[15:02]  * bialix nods
[15:02] <abentley> lifeless: But if I translate Les Miserables into English, that's certainly a derived work, so I guess it's a matter of degree.
[15:03] <bac> bialix:  fair point.  we do have links off the front page of LP but should promote it more conspicuously
[15:04] <lifeless> abentley: the translations are derived
[15:04] <lifeless> abentley: but if you have an opera reporter that takes data files in any language, and you feed it your english les mis, th ereporter doesn't become a derivation of les mis :)
[15:05] <lifeless> bac: noone hits the front page ;)
[15:05] <lifeless> bac: because its static and unchanging there is little of interest to users.
[15:05] <bac> lifeless:  you're right!  i think we need a pop-up banner on each page advertising commercial subscriptions!  :)
[15:06] <lifeless> bac: might be overboard, but yes.
[15:06] <bac> that'll endear us to our users...
[15:06] <lifeless> I do think a 'commercial services' link in the footer might be useful.
[15:06] <lifeless> or something
[15:07] <lifeless> certainly I suspect folk haven't googled for 'launchpad closed source' if they have trouble figuring this out
[15:09] <bialix> lifeless: the answer https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/40633 said you can't host private branches
[15:09] <bialix> do you know better answer?
[15:10] <bialix> this is btw the first link google gave me
[15:14] <henninge> bialix: That is outdated. I added a comment. Thanks for the pointer! :)
[15:14] <bialix> maybe not a pop-up banner but something in the footer in light gray will be nice to have
[15:15] <henninge> bialix: please file a bug!
[15:15] <bialix> sorry, not today
[15:16]  * bialix often hard to understand where to file bugs against some parts of lp itself
[15:16] <henninge> bialix: true, if in doubt file it on /launchpad, it should get sorted correctly from there.
[15:17]  * bialix will try to remember
[16:25] <bencer> i'm building asterisk on my ppa, but it seems it doesn't wget the sound files needed to build the package, are downloads cut off on the build hosts ?
[16:26] <ScottK> bencer: Yes.
[16:26] <ScottK> This is a feature, not a bug.
[16:26] <bencer> ScottK: are debian buildd hosts configured the same way ?
[16:26] <ScottK> bencer: Yes.
[16:27] <bencer> ok, going to see how to fix this, thanks
[17:02] <bdrung> who approved the gnome-colors imports? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/gnome-colors/trunk can be dropped now.
[17:22] <jamalta> Hey, sorry if I'm asking in the wrong place, but I added a PPA and the packages aren't showing up in apt-get after an update
[17:22] <jamalta> The PPA in question is https://edge.launchpad.net/~mjeanson/+archive/iphone/+packages
[17:23] <jamalta> It seems the PPA added succesfully
[17:23] <jamalta> I can see it listed in Software Soruces, along with the key
[17:23] <bigjools> jamalta: how do you know it added successfully?
[17:23] <bigjools> ok
[17:23] <jamalta> bigjools: Any other way of testing?
[17:24] <jamalta> His key is also showing up in software sources / Authentication
[17:24] <bigjools> apt-get update, then apt-get install something from that PPA
[17:24] <jamalta> bigjools: i've done apt-get update a few times :(
[17:24] <bigjools> did you try installing one of his packages?
[17:24] <bigjools> you can also do apt-cache show <packagename>
[17:24] <deadwill> guys, i need some help to merge my old LP account.
[17:25] <jamalta> bigjools: yeah, shows the wrong version (the version that is in the main repos)
[17:25] <jamalta> bigjools: and for new packages, it cant' find them at all
[17:25] <bigjools> jamalta: check your /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:25] <jamalta> bigjools: it shows up as a .list file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[17:26] <jamalta> the syntax looks right as far as i can tell
[17:26] <jamalta> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/mjeanson/iphone/ubuntu karmic main
[17:27] <jamalta> and just made sure I am on Karmic, with amd64 ;)
[17:27] <bigjools> so if you do apt-get install ifuse=0.9.5-1~karmic1 does it work?
[17:28] <jamalta> bigjools: well, i wasn't aware of that syntax
[17:28] <jamalta> it looks to be working
[17:28] <jamalta> oddly enough it's downloading the packages from the right place
[17:28] <bigjools> so something is superseding the version you want
[17:28] <jamalta> from the ppa i mean
[17:28] <jamalta> bigjools: right, seems like that's the case
[17:28] <bigjools> you must have already installed it?
[17:28] <bigjools> anyway, glad to have pointed you in the right direction
[17:29]  * bigjools leaves for the day
[17:29] <jamalta> bigjools: i didn't have either version installed.. but thanks so much, it seems to be working :)
[17:29] <jamalta> bigjools: have a great rest of the day then :)
[17:29] <bigjools> np :)
[17:39] <NateW> how would you delete ppa's?
[17:40] <ScottK> You don't.
[17:40] <NateW> ScottK: isnt it possible for an admin to delete it from your account?
[17:40] <ScottK> Not currently.
[17:41] <NateW> Can you hide them?
[17:43] <ScottK> You can disable them
[17:44] <rdb> hey jcastro
[17:44] <rdb> 15:36 < jcastro> rdb: it's in the development release of ubuntu already, so someone just needs to backport it
[17:45] <rdb> however, according to this: http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/nvidia-cg-toolkit its still the installer package
[17:46] <rdb> Or am I missing something?
[17:47] <jcastro> rdb: hrpmh, indeed it is
[17:47] <jcastro> will that not work?
[17:48] <rdb> No, because I want to use it from a PPA.
[17:49] <rdb> Is there any way I can help to get this fixed in the lucid repo and karmic-backports?
[17:49] <rdb> Because I know that if I package it and file a bug report or blueprint about including it, nothing happens
[17:50] <jcastro> unfortunately it's all mostly who has the time to help.
[17:50] <jcastro> rdb: you might want to try asking in #ubuntu-motu and see if anyone has time
[17:51] <rdb> well, usually I have the time to package stuff, but nobody has the time to flip a switch and include it
[17:52] <rdb> but thanks for your help
[17:52] <rdb> I'll package it for my PPA
[18:27] <pantzir> not accessible?  http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/508192
[18:27] <pantzir> it wasn't yersterday?
[18:37] <hyperair> how does one add an upstream bug watch?
[18:37] <hyperair> using the email interface, i mean
[19:20] <sinzui> hyperair: I do not think the email interface supports bug watches: https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/EmailInterface
[19:21] <blueyed> Today I've thought about using BOINC to distribute package builds: any user could participate in helping with builds. However, trust must be ensured and that's not possible probably, is it? (idea: launchpad provides packets with builds to make and clients can fetch those and have to return them in a particular timeframe).
[19:22] <blueyed> Other BOINC projects manage to trust their users, so it may be possible with launchpad, too: e.g. an environment where the build gets done is created, which gets verified via hashes?!
[19:24] <hyperair> sinzui: i was hoping that it was an undocumented feature =(
[19:25] <sinzui> I believe there is a bug requesting the feature, but I cannot find it. (bug search on edge is very painful this week)
[19:39] <maxb> blueyed: quoting the BOINC wiki: "Because volunteer hosts may be error-prone or malicious, volunteer computing requires result validation. The general way to do this is by replication: run each job on 2 computers and make sure the results agree." ... this approach fails for software builds. They are not expected to be bytewise reproducible
[19:43] <blueyed> maxb: and it would not be possible to ensure builds are being made in a validated, secured environment? Like creating a chroot and validating the files before and after the build? But I agree that it would be difficult and needs more thought. But the idea is compelling: it would help both Launchpad and BOINC, if Ubuntu users would start using BOINC to help out Launchpad/Ubuntu.
[19:43] <maxb> No it would not be possible. There's no way to validate that the thing doing the validation hasn't itself been compromized
[19:44] <beuno> blueyed, have you verified that Canonical doesn't plan to add more builders?  it sounds like a big effort with a lot of risk (potential root access gain on million of computers)
[19:46] <blueyed> beuno: I've ranted about this yesterday.. they are apparently happy with the current state. The same applies to Launchpad: it's slow, takes time, but they are not throwing (enough) new hardware at it.
[19:46] <blueyed> maxb: ok, thanks for making this clear.. it's a pity though.
[19:46] <beuno> blueyed, I've told you, launchpad's speed is not a hardware issue
[19:47] <beuno> the builders may be, and I'm sure that if there's a problem, it will be fixed
[19:47] <beuno> launchpad's general performance is a very hard one
[19:47] <mwhudson> didn't someone say yesterday, it's not only a matter of hardware
[19:47] <beuno> mwhudson, I did  :)
[19:54] <blueyed> beuno: but you cannot say that with adding 10 more servers for page processing and 5 more memcached servers this would still be bad: it's software for sure, but when you add proper caching mechanisms everywhere, this should fly despite the complexity.
[19:55] <blueyed> imaging just a 5gb memcache cluster: that could easily bump performance a lot (given software changes, yes, of course).
[19:57] <beuno> blueyed, we don't use memcached
[19:57] <blueyed> beuno: other mem cachers?
[19:57] <beuno> no
[19:57] <blueyed> beuno: well, that's the root problem then :D
[19:58] <mwhudson> blueyed: which you will notice ISN'T HARDWARE!
[19:58] <beuno> blueyed, yes. Welcome to "fixing the software"
[19:58] <blueyed> beuno: why do 200+ queries for some page, if you could query a single memcache key?
[19:58] <blueyed> mwhudson: well, still.. it's RAM!
[19:59]  * mwhudson sighs, gives up on this conversation
[20:00] <blueyed> mwhudson: I'm right, not? it's both, but after all, it's just RAM, used in an intelligent way.
[20:00] <blueyed> mwhudson: and if you would increase the number of backend servers by twice as much, it would be faster too.. but now you're saying maybe: we have no proxy/load balancer.. well..
[20:00] <beuno> blueyed, no
[20:01] <blueyed> beuno: I really can't imagine given the number of engineers LP.net has after all, that there's no memcache in place..?!
[20:01] <blueyed> beuno: what no? no load balancer/proxy?
[20:02] <blueyed> How many machines are running LP.net (just the frontend - without any backend jobs like build services)?
[20:02] <geser> blueyed: and what about the increased overhead to invalidate the caches when someone changes data in LP?
[20:03] <cody-somerville> blueyed, FYI, Canonical does have intentions to add more dedicated buildds to the PPA buildd pool. It just takes time for resources like that to materialize.
[20:04] <cody-somerville> blueyed, That is to say, its recognized that the current set of buildds are under a high degree of load.
[20:04] <blueyed> geser: that's minimal.
[20:04] <blueyed> cody-somerville: great.
[20:06] <cody-somerville> blueyed, Also, if you feel you have expertise in the area of performance that would be of benefit to the launchpad team then I'd encourage you to send in your resume to our HR department. :)
[20:06] <cody-somerville> blueyed, Or just take the code and start hacking! :)
[20:06] <blueyed> geser: just imagine the home page.. this needs to get invalided only if the numbers displayed there get changed, e.g. when a new bug or answer is entered. and this could save 132 DB queries (i.e. one instead of 132) - you can use the DB to cache things, too (instead of memcache, it's just a tad slower)
[20:07] <blueyed> cody-somerville: yes, good idea - I've started once with that, but have given up on the setup procedure.. thanks for reminding me.
[20:08] <blueyed> I could not have imagined, that it's in such a bad shape.. ;)
[20:11] <FuturePilot> I'm a little confused about the deletion of source files. I'm not sure what I need to backup, if anything.
[20:11] <maxb> FuturePilot: what do you mean?
[20:11] <maxb> more context please
[20:12] <FuturePilot> it says they will be deleting source files that are in PPAs or that are not published
[20:13] <FuturePilot> does that mean *all* the source files in a PPA?
[20:13] <jontai> cody-somerville: any plans to allow third parties to "donate" buildds, seti@home-style? :)
[20:14] <ripps> jontai: the problem with that would be security, how can we be sure someone isn't poising a build with viral code
[20:14] <maxb> FuturePilot: "it says" ?
[20:14] <FuturePilot> this says http://blog.launchpad.net/general/action-back-up-old-sources-from-ppas
[20:15] <jontai> ripps: yea, I figured that's the reason it's not currently done that way
[20:15] <ripps> jontai: a better option would be to donate an old server for them to setup the way they want
[20:16] <maxb> FuturePilot: That bulleted list is a list of logical AND terms, not ORs
[20:16] <jontai> ripps: does LP/Canonical take hardware donations for buildds?
[20:17] <maxb> Except old servers are inefficient in power and rackspace
[20:19] <FuturePilot> maxb: well that was a error on my part, but I'm still confused. Do I need to download every single source file from my PPA? It says I may not need to download everything.
[20:20] <maxb> If you care about keeping every single source file, then yes
[20:20] <maxb> The question is: do you care about keeping a copy of every single version of every package you've ever uploaded
[20:21] <FuturePilot> just the current ones
[20:24] <FuturePilot> oh, now I see. That answers my question.
[20:28] <aboSamoor> I want to ask for advice, I want to translate reddit to my native language. Is launchpad the platform to use in such scenario ?
[20:31] <aboSamoor> abentley, ^
[20:32] <abentley> aboSamoor: Sorry, I'm in a call right now.
[20:32] <aboSamoor> abentley, tyt
[20:57] <abentley> aboSamoor: By "translate reddit", you mean the web publication or the underlying application?
[21:54] <rlameiro> Hi all
[21:55] <rlameiro> sorry, can anyone tell me how to make a new branch?
[21:55] <rlameiro> I am using olive, but i can use the cli thas is not a problem
[22:35] <aboSamoor> abentley, the interface. they have a separate git tree to internationalization of the interface
[22:47] <marianom> hey guys. I recently created a project in LP licensed under the GNU Free Documentation License. However I see that Launchpad considers it a propietary license. Is that right?
[22:57] <thumper> marianom: that'd be a question for sinzui
[22:57] <marianom> thanks thumper!
[22:57] <thumper> marianom: although I'd be surprised if it was considered proprietary
[22:58] <RAOF> Aspects of the GFDL are not DFSG-free (particularly invariant sections)
[22:58] <marianom> me too, thumper. not doubt about it. but I'm not a lawyer and maybe there's something with it.
[23:06] <Noldorin> hello
[23:07] <Noldorin> is the launchpad bzr server down at the moment?
[23:07] <Noldorin> i seem unable to commit to existing repos
[23:08] <marianom> oh http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001 thanks RAOF...
[23:08] <marianom> too complicated for me, anyway :)
[23:08] <thumper> Noldorin: not that I know of
[23:08] <thumper> Noldorin: which branch?
[23:08] <Noldorin> thumper, lp:~ircdotnet/0.1
[23:09] <thumper> Noldorin: that isn't a valid branch
[23:09] <Noldorin> thumper, ignore the ~ :)
[23:09]  * thumper looks
[23:10] <thumper> Noldorin: looks ok to me, what errors are you getting?
[23:10] <Noldorin> bzr: ERROR: Server sent an unexpected error: ('error', "Cannot lock LockDir(lp-6
[23:10] <Noldorin> 4843152:///~ircdotnet-dev/ircdotnet/0.1/.bzr/branchlock): File exists: u'/srv/ba
[23:10] <Noldorin> zaar.launchpad.net/push-branches/00/04/ad/b6/.bzr/branch/lock': [Errno 17] File
[23:10] <Noldorin> exists: '/srv/bazaar.launchpad.net/push-branches/00/04/ad/b6/.bzr/branch/lock'")
[23:10] <Noldorin> that's via the command-line
[23:10] <Noldorin> i got another one via tortoise-bzr, which i don't have on record currently
[23:10] <thumper> Noldorin: what that means is someone else has a lock on the branch
[23:11] <Noldorin> thumper, i just tried break-lock. hrmm
[23:11] <thumper> man that is an aweful error
[23:11] <Noldorin> hehe yep
[23:11] <Noldorin> quite horrible
[23:12] <Noldorin> aweful and awful. :P
[23:12] <Noldorin> yeah...
[23:12] <Noldorin> breaking the lock doesn't help
[23:13]  * thumper pokes
[23:14] <thumper> Noldorin: try now
[23:14] <Noldorin> thumper, sorry. same error still
[23:15] <Noldorin> just to note: no problem with local commitsa
[23:15] <thumper> Noldorin: are you sure that no one else is messing with this branch?
[23:15] <Noldorin> thumper, i'm the only one that has access to it currenly.
[23:15] <Noldorin> so i'd hope not
[23:16] <Noldorin> thumper, not sure, but things might have gotten screwed up when i transferred branch ownership from me (noldorin) to ircdot-nev
[23:16] <Noldorin> erm, ircdotnet-dev *
[23:16] <thumper> Noldorin: shouldn't have
[23:16]  * thumper is looking
[23:16] <Noldorin> no indeed
[23:17] <Noldorin> using bzr 2.0.3 btw as the client
[23:18] <thumper> ah, that was going to be my next question
[23:18] <thumper> abentley: ping
[23:19] <abentley> thumper: pong
[23:19] <Noldorin>  /srv/bazaar.launchpad.net/push-branches/00/04/ad/b6/.bzr/branch/lock
[23:19] <thumper> abentley: do you know about what causes the lock error above for Noldorin?
[23:19] <Noldorin> that's a truly nasty path...
[23:20] <thumper> Noldorin: yes, we should be translating that on the way out
[23:20] <thumper> Noldorin: but I don't think there are the hooks in bzr lib yet
[23:20] <Noldorin> ah right
[23:20] <Noldorin> fair enough
[23:20] <Noldorin> as long as it's "expected"
[23:21] <thumper> unfortunately yes, it is expected, but aweful
[23:22] <abentley> thumper: No, but I can verify that there's a lock directory there.
[23:22] <thumper> abentley: yeah, me too
[23:22] <thumper> abentley: all my local branches also have that lock dir, so I don't know what should and shouldn't be there
[23:22] <Noldorin> heh
[23:22] <Noldorin> erm
[23:22] <Noldorin> more bad news
[23:23] <Noldorin> i just tried break-lock, and got the following:
[23:23] <Noldorin> and i tried it again, and it succeeded.
[23:23]  * Noldorin is very confused.
[23:24] <abentley> Noldorin: Both the branch and the repository may have been locked.
[23:24] <Noldorin> thumper, perhaps there is some way to reset the repo and just repush from the local branch?
[23:24] <Noldorin> abentley, i see...
[23:25] <thumper> Noldorin: yes, we can blow it away
[23:25] <Noldorin> wouldn't know how to fix that, though
[23:25] <thumper> and have you repush
[23:25] <thumper> Noldorin: break-lock should break both locks
[23:25] <Noldorin> thumper, i'm curious to figure out what the actual cause of this is (as i'm sure you are)...
[23:25] <Noldorin> but just making it work would be nice for now, i guess
[23:25] <Noldorin> ok
[23:26] <abentley> Noldorin: You're not putting having Launchpad autocommit translations, are you?
[23:26] <Noldorin> abentley, don't believe so, no.
[23:27] <Noldorin> thumper, same error after a plain break-lock
[23:27] <Noldorin> oh, wait:
[23:27] <Noldorin> thumper, http://pastebin.com/m654abab7
[23:28] <thumper> Noldorin: perhaps abentley was clearing it out for you
[23:28] <abentley> thumper: No, I didn't delete anything.
[23:28] <thumper> hmm...
[23:28] <thumper> I'm getting a permission denied
[23:29] <thumper> weird
[23:30] <sinzui> marianom: I approved your project gfdl is fine
[23:30] <thumper> WTF?
[23:31] <Noldorin> ?
[23:31] <abentley> thumper: what's giving permission denied?
[23:31] <thumper> abentley: using hitchhiker and doing "lsl .bzr"
[23:32] <Noldorin> hrmm
[23:32] <abentley> thumper: wfm
[23:32] <thumper> ???
[23:32] <Noldorin> if i had ftp access, i would be tempted just to log in and delete all the files in the repo now. :P
[23:32] <abentley> Noldorin: You have sftp access.
[23:32] <thumper> Noldorin: you can using hitchhiker
[23:32] <Noldorin> oh, cool
[23:33] <Noldorin> abentley, what's the url?
[23:33] <thumper> Noldorin: for sftp or hitchhiker?
[23:33] <abentley> sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ircdotnet-dev/ircdotnet/0.1/
[23:33] <Noldorin> thumper, sftp would be easier for me i guess
[23:33] <Noldorin> cheers
[23:33] <thumper> abentley: user@ ?
[23:34] <abentley> thumper: I suppose.
[23:35] <marianom> sinzui: thanks a lot! and I learnt something new about licenses today (I learnt that I don't understand them) :)
[23:35] <abentley> Noldorin: You may need to specify your username at the front of the URL, e.g<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:37] <Noldorin> thumper, abentley: deleting the .bzr dir via sftp then repushing did the trick :)
[23:37] <Noldorin> many thanks.
[23:38] <Noldorin> (goodness knows what the matter was still...)
[23:38] <thumper> Noldorin: ok cool, although I'm somewhat stumped as to how this got into a fubared situation
[23:38] <Noldorin> mm, no idea really. the only special thing i did with the repo recently was change ownership, i believe.
[23:42] <Noldorin> thumper, abentley: i'm off to bed now. will be idling around here however, so if you figure out what might have been the cause, please do ping me.
[23:44] <thumper> Noldorin: changing the ownership has no impact...
[23:44] <thumper> Noldorin: although you had a checkout right?
[23:44] <Noldorin> thumper, i believe so, yeah
[23:44] <Noldorin> ho hum
[23:44] <thumper> Noldorin: did you rebind?
[23:44]  * Noldorin crosses his fingers that the repo doesn't get clobbered again like this
[23:45] <Noldorin> thumper, erm, you could be onto something there
[23:45] <Noldorin> i'm not sure i did
[23:45] <thumper> hmm..
[23:46] <Noldorin> thumper, if that's the case then the solution is only to make the error message more friendly really, i guess :)
[23:46]  * Noldorin heads off now
[23:46] <Noldorin> thanks for the help...
[23:46] <Noldorin> night


[01:26] <rhpot1991> Ankhwatcher: do you have proof that its connecting to the wrong db then?
[01:28] <rhpot1991> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[01:28] <rhpot1991> mythexport.postinst:        mysql -h$hostname -u$admin_username -p$admin_password mythconverg < /usr/share/mythtv/mythexport.sql
[01:28] <rhpot1991> mythexport.postinst:        mysql -h$hostname -u$admin_username mythconverg < /usr/share/mythtv/mythexport.sql
[01:29] <rhpot1991> Ankhwatcher: so you can run that by hand to get past that, or did it fail to install because of that?
[03:37] <dewman> howdy.. does anyone know of a inexpensive sound card(pci) that has a internal spidif out (2 pins) that I can hook to my 8500gt so I can pass audio to hdmi?
[03:42] <superm1> rhpot1991: i think the problem then is that it's expecting mythconverg (hardcoded in the postinst)
[03:42] <superm1> Ankhwatcher: mentioned yesterday that they have a different db name
[04:22] <Chaorain> hey, I have a Mythbuntu server that I'm moving from a private network to public. How do I stop fileshareing? I'm using it for Minecraft
[04:24] <Chaorain> samba -stop?
[04:46] <superm1> Chaorain: you can just go into MCC and remove it
[04:59] <qwebirc42594> hello everybody
[05:50] <rhpot1991> superm1: yep so I need to pull that from the config
[05:50] <rhpot1991> just not sure if he can work around it now or if he can't even install
[05:52] <superm1> rhpot1991: well he can modify the postinst locally
[05:52] <superm1> and then you fix it in a future version
[05:52] <rhpot1991> superm1: I forget the location of that, maybe say it a him so he knows what to do?
[11:09] <Ankhwatcher> rhpot1991 & superm1 : This is the error message I get when trying to install. http://pastebin.com/Xv7UQywD
[11:09] <Zinn> [pastebin.com] mythexport renamed database install error - Pastebin.com
[13:25] <qwebirc93095> Hi. I have a HD homerun Prime that I wasn tto use with Mythbuntu v11.10. When I scan for channels I get a ton of channels that don't work. I manually added some channels and the std channels look pretty good, but the HD ones are poor quality. Any ideas? Also I tried to update MythTV to .25 and it hangs everytime. Again, any ideas? Thanks for you help!
[13:50] <likwid--_> i use hdhomerun prime + comcast + mythbuntu .24+fixes
[13:50] <likwid--_> works pretty flawlessly
[13:50] <likwid--_> did you follow the howto for adding the hdhomerun prime to your myth setup?
[13:50] <likwid--_> i dont think you ever scan for channels.. you only fetch channels from schedules direct
[14:29] <rhpot1991> qwebirc93095: what likwid--_ said, you don't scan for channels with that device
[14:29] <rhpot1991> sounds like you are picking up your 1-70 from clear qam and not anything in HD
[15:23] <superm1> rhpot1991: /var/lib/dpkg/info/mythexport.postinst i'd expect
[15:23] <superm1> fix that file and then apt-get -f install
[15:23] <rhpot1991> Ankhwatcher: ^ try to edit that
[15:23] <superm1> and it should hopefully sort itself out
[15:23] <rhpot1991> swap out mythconverg with your db name
[15:23] <rhpot1991> and see if that works then
[15:24] <rhpot1991> superm1: thanks
[15:45] <dewman> anyone know of a inexpensive sound card(pci) that has a internal spdif out (2 pins)? I found a couple on ebay but unsure of what might be a good option to try.
[15:58] <rhpot1991> dewman: your motherboard should normally have that
[15:58] <rhpot1991> if you are looking to jumper to a video card
[15:59] <dewman> rhpot1991, yeah it doesnt have on...=-(
[18:40] <qwebirc93095> likwid, do you enter the tuners by ip address or tuner id #. I can only add 2 tuners with tuner id... is there any reason not to use ip if I have it reseverved in my routyer? thx
[18:43] <rhpot1991> qwebirc93095: have you read this: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_MythTV_for_the_HDHomeRun_Prime
[18:43] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] Configuring MythTV for the HDHomeRun Prime - MythTV Official Wiki
[18:56] <qwebirc93095> Yes, I tried the sets outlined there and could never get it to set the strating channel.
[18:59] <qwebirc93095> that should say starting chennel
[19:01] <rhpot1991> qwebirc93095: is this your only tuner?
[19:02] <qwebirc93095> I also have a pvr-150 that I put up just for the remote
[19:02] <rhpot1991> ok, did you do the fake tuner part of that wiki doc?
[19:02] <rhpot1991> and then linked your lineup to it so you can fetch the channels
[19:04] <qwebirc93095> I did and it looked like if did fetch the channels, but when tried to set the starting channel I couldn't... it just said add channels or something like that
[19:05] <rhpot1991> "please add channels to this source" ?
[19:06] <rhpot1991> if you do "fetch channels from listings source" that should do it
[19:06] <qwebirc93095> yes, thats it
[19:08] <rhpot1991> actually the wiki claims that is ok
[19:08] <rhpot1991> "Do not press Scan for channels OR Fetch channels from listings source! You will see Starting channel read Please add channels to this source."
[19:08] <rhpot1991> thats not the way I remember it, but maybe
[19:09] <rhpot1991> qwebirc93095: IIRC the idea there is you fetch channels under the fake device
[19:09] <rhpot1991> and then you do not want to fetch them under the HDHR-prime because that screws things up
[19:10] <qwebirc93095> I'll try again. Di you know the proper answer for the field for frequinsies or program channel. I've seen some use just the channel number like 18 or something like 18-2 for the second program on channel 18. I've also see for 639MHz 639000 and also 639000000, I've also gotten some channels to work using something like 639-2.
[19:12] <rhpot1991> qwebirc93095: I use my digital cable channels for mine, I pull them from schedules direct for my hd-pvr and just point my hdhr-prime at those listings
[19:12] <rhpot1991> for my hdhr I had to match up the xmlids for the channels so I can do the same thing there
[19:12] <rhpot1991> otherwise I would see things like 18-2, etc
[19:13] <rhpot1991> qwebirc93095: if you install hdhomerun-config-gui you can use that to mess with the tuner
[19:13] <rhpot1991> try to tuner channels, etc
[19:13] <rhpot1991> I'm assuming you have already paired the cable card with it and everythign?
[19:19] <qwebirc93095> yes, everything works great with the hdhomerun-config-gui. When I look at the channel freq. in there it shows as 639000, I believe? But for some reason when I put 639000 into the channel editor in Mythtv it doesn't tune properly. What format do you use for theat field?
[19:22] <qwebirc93095> From what I've read. MythTv just needs to know the Channel # and program ID. The channel is the same as the channel freq. right? What is the program ID?
[19:24] <qwebirc93095> I'm going to start over when I get home tonight. Should I reinstall Mythbuntu or just clear all of the channels and tuners to start over?
[20:02] <dewman> qwebirc93095, I would just delete all tuners and all sources and do it again.
[20:07] <rhpot1991> delete all channels and lineups too
[20:07] <rhpot1991> and follow that wiki
[20:07] <rhpot1991> myth doesn't know channel frequency like that
[20:08] <rhpot1991> in the end you will use the same channel numbers that show up on your cable box, and they will come form your schedules direct listings
[21:13] <mythfan> I have installed mythbunt 11.10 and would like to know if hdpvr blaster is stble with this version or its better to use another blaster to change channel
[21:33] <rhpot1991> mythfan: have firewire?
[21:42] <mythfan> My motoral have it but it not in fuction
[22:15] <rhpot1991> mythfan: its common to use firewire to do your channel switching
[22:16] <rhpot1991> if you can't use that then irblasting is your next choice
[22:16] <rhpot1991> firewire is more reliable IMO


[00:56] <ScottK> Riddell: I did say that after they approved updating maas based on using code copies for the updates.
[06:31] <soee> good morning
[07:51] <Mamarok> in 13.04 beta 2, if one adds the Oryanos packages in the experimental PPA one has two color mangers in the system settings, the Oryanos one in "Common Appearance and Behavior" and one in "Hardware"
[07:55] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:56] <Mamarok> hi lordievader
[08:00] <lordievader> Hey Mamarok, how are you?
[08:10] <smartboyhw> Hello. Riddell: Any packaging TODO?
[08:10] <Riddell> yo smartboyhw
[08:10] <Riddell> a couple of things
[08:10] <Riddell> take your pick from homerun
[08:11] <Riddell> and lightdm-kde
[08:11] <smartboyhw> Riddell, homerun. Is lightdm-kde fixed?
[08:11] <smartboyhw> And it
[08:11] <Riddell> there's a new version of lightdm-kde
[08:11] <smartboyhw> is kde-telepathy updated/
[08:12] <smartboyhw> Riddell, homerun then:)
[08:12] <Riddell> oh hmm
[08:13] <Riddell> there's a ktp 0.6.1
[08:13] <smartboyhw> Riddell, hmm what?:P
[08:13] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yep.
[08:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer, Quintasan: what's the crack with that?
[08:16] <shadeslayer> I'm not updating ktp this time :P
[08:17] <shadeslayer> I was working this weekend, so I'm taking a break today :)
[08:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer: do you think it should be done?
[08:17]  * smartboyhw does not want to do more than one package today
[08:17] <shadeslayer> Catching up on Game of Thrones ^_^
[08:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: probably worth SRU'ing
[08:17] <shadeslayer> not worth breaking freeze IMHO
[08:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: well I can just do it today if it's needed
[08:18] <Riddell> we're not in freeze for bug fixes if that's what it is
[08:18] <smartboyhw> I can do the lightdm too
[08:18] <shadeslayer> well, yeah, it's a bug fix only release
[08:18] <smartboyhw> But seriously, no ktp:P
[08:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: do you have magic scripts to do it?
[08:18] <shadeslayer> yep, lemme adjust it a bit and pastebin it
[08:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: note that logger-qt isn't being released
[08:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/726218/
[08:21] <Riddell> logger-qt?  is that a local client version of apachelogger?
[08:21] <shadeslayer> haha
[08:22] <smartboyhw> Riddell, please confirm that http://paste.kde.org/726224/ will mean no FFe:P
[08:22] <shadeslayer> tp-logger-qt
[08:22] <smartboyhw> Riddell, nice joke
[08:22] <Riddell> smartboyhw: it won't
[08:23] <shadeslayer> I would have gone with "Is that a cuter version of apachelogger?"
[08:23] <Riddell> :)
[08:23] <Riddell> such a thing is not possible
[08:24] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[08:33] <smartboyhw> Riddell, hmm dh_install --list-missing shows all the translation files.
[08:33] <shadeslayer> does it depend on pkg-kde-tools?
[08:34] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, no. I just ran it on myself:P
[08:34] <shadeslayer> oh
[08:34] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: the way I understand it is, pkg-kde-tools takes care of translation magic
[08:34] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, OK then. Let me depend on it:P
[08:34] <shadeslayer> it takes po files and puts them into lang packs automagically
[08:35] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: though apachelogger probably knows the required magic
[08:37] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, hmm it DOES depend on pkg-kde-tools
[08:37] <shadeslayer> then I don't think you have to do anything
[08:37] <shadeslayer> but srsly, ask apachelogger
[08:38] <yofel__> IIRC pkg-kde-tools only handles *our* translations
[08:38] <yofel__> upstream translations need to be in the package
[08:38] <smartboyhw> yofel__: it IS in the package.
[08:38] <shadeslayer> oh
[08:38] <shadeslayer> hmm
[08:38] <shadeslayer> it's all magical to me
[08:39] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, yofel__:
[08:39] <smartboyhw> http://paste.kde.org/726236/
[08:39] <yofel__> smartboyhw: just ship the translation files. or pastebin the list-missing output for sanity's sake
[08:39] <Riddell> smartboyhw: add them to the package
[08:39] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yofel__: ^
[08:39] <shadeslayer> what Riddell said
[08:39] <yofel__> ack
[08:39] <Riddell> it /can/ be done through launchpad but no point
[08:47] <smartboyhw> Damn it.
[08:49] <smartboyhw> Riddell, dget -x http://people.ubuntu.com/~smartboyhw/homerun_0.2.2-0ubuntu1.dsc and please review.
[08:50] <Riddell> smartboyhw: groovy, I need to have a shower first, wouldn't want it getting smelly
[08:51] <smartboyhw> Riddell, LOL
[08:51] <smartboyhw> Please do take one:P
[08:51]  * smartboyhw goes to lightdm-kde
[09:26] <Riddell> smartboyhw: uploaded
[09:26] <smartboyhw> Riddell, wait for a few minutes for me to do lightdm-kde
[09:31] <smartboyhw> Riddell, dget -x https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/ppa/+files/lightdm-kde_<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1.dsc + review + sponsor for upload please;)
[09:38] <Riddell> smartboyhw: tested it works this time?
[09:42] <smartboyhw> Riddell, works
[09:46] <Riddell> yep, works for me too
[09:50] <smartboyhw> homerun built on all archs without FTBFS
[09:52] <Riddell> yay
[10:02] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: KTp 0.6.1 is out, can you take care of it?
[10:02] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: Riddell said he's on it
[10:03] <Quintasan> I see
[10:03] <shadeslayer> I am doing some visa paperwork :P
[10:08] <Quintasan> Splendid
[10:11] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, ?
[10:19]  * apachelogger cuddles the Riddell
[10:19]  * Riddell giggles
[10:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, smartboyhw: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/l10n ?
[10:21] <apachelogger> iff X-Ubuntu-Use-Langpack: yes is not present there should not be po files in list missing as they will not be stripped
[10:22] <apachelogger> that said I am reasonable certain that they never show up in list missing; if they do, something is wrong with the packaging
[11:00] <ovidiu-florin>  I've set up my enviroment like shown in the techbase website on how to compile a single application. I've got kdepim, akonadi, kdepimlibs, kacitivties from git and compiled them. But when I open Kmail I can see that it has the mail accounts from my system kmail. Why? how do I fix this?
[11:01] <ovidiu-florin> the $KDEHOME is set to my dev env
[11:01] <ovidiu-florin> what am I missing?
[11:02] <apachelogger> XDG_DATA_DIRS I think
[11:02] <apachelogger> also #kde-devel is where you want to ask these things
[11:02] <ovidiu-florin> I did
[11:02] <ovidiu-florin> got no help there...
[11:02] <apachelogger> also akonadi is not kde-bound, hence why I suspect XDG stuff is missing
[11:02] <ovidiu-florin> also no help on #kontact
[11:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you test the kcm_locale patch btw?
[11:03] <ovidiu-florin> I've been struggling with this for about a week
[11:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: not yet, not sure what it changes?
[11:04]  * Riddell hmms at bug 1134492
[11:05] <smartboyhw> Riddell, please let lightdm-kde through:P
[11:05] <smartboyhw> It's in queue now.
[11:06] <smartboyhw> Riddell, Hmm that xserver bug :O
[11:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/725600/ line 66 to 103
[11:06] <apachelogger> you don't need to test, though I reckon it would be good if you did ^^
[11:09] <Riddell> incase anyone cares about powerpc:  kubuntu/daily-live: raring-desktop-powerpc.iso oversized by 55304192 bytes<PHONE_NUMBER>)
[11:09] <apachelogger> still :O
[11:10] <smartboyhw> Riddell, seriously I don't and I would want to see it die:P
[11:10] <Riddell> me too but it lives on!
[11:10] <apachelogger> there is still zenity on the iso
[11:10] <apachelogger> DAFUQ
[11:10] <Riddell> I wonder when we can get rid of i386
[11:10] <Riddell> apachelogger: grr to zenity
[11:10] <apachelogger> eh
[11:10] <smartboyhw> I'm not a Lubuntu-eer, so I don't understand what's the point of supporting old hardware when technology is continuously evoloving
[11:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: it appears oversized because it is from apr 3
[11:10] <smartboyhw> *evoling
[11:10] <smartboyhw> Damn
[11:10] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, :O
[11:11] <apachelogger> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/raring-desktop-i386.manifest <- no zenity
[11:11] <apachelogger> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/raring-desktop-powerpc.manifest <- zenity
[11:11] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I wonder when we can get rid of amd64:P
[11:11] <apachelogger> powerpc has not been built in ages it appears
[11:11] <apachelogger> or failed autoqa or something
[11:11] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, build failures?
[11:11] <apachelogger> dunno
[11:11] <apachelogger> I do not care
[11:12]  * smartboyhw doesn't either.
[11:12] <apachelogger> I said it before and I will say it again... if no one cares for powerpc it will be set on fire
[11:12] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, I rather want the Kubuntu PowerPC ISO removed NOW:P
[11:13] <apachelogger> and not noticing that it was not built for half a month sounds rather no-one-careish
[11:13] <smartboyhw> It saves us manpower:P
[11:13] <yofel__> that image is even less maintained than our alternate images were.....
[11:13] <smartboyhw> yofel__: :P
[11:13] <smartboyhw> Riddell, can you ask for what happened to PowerPC in #ubuntu-release please?
[11:14] <smartboyhw> For interestness sake
[11:16] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:17] <yofel__> ovidiu-florin: if it helps you: the 2 environment files in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~neon/project-neon/project-neon-runtime/files/head:/opt/project-neon/share/project-neon/ show what's set for project-neon
[11:17] <yofel__> just adjusting the folder paths should work for you
[11:18] <smartboyhw> Riddell, apachelogger yofel__: Should I officially propose to the Kubuntu Development Mailing List that we should just get rid of PowerPC (once and for all)?
[11:19] <Riddell> it's been proposed plenty of times and every time someone says it should be kept incase anyone wants to test it
[11:22] <Tm_T> after failing to get charger fixed I'm ok dropping powerpc image simply because we don't have testers for it
[11:22] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :O if someone wants to test it, please install Lubuntu (seriously, PowerPC will just be our blocking stone)
[11:23] <smartboyhw> I never thought I would say that, but it does not have a good manpower-to-value ratio
[11:23] <Riddell> smartboyhw: Tm_T seems to have a good reason
[11:23] <smartboyhw> Riddell, +1
[11:23] <yofel__> shadeslayer: btw. the upgrades mostly work now: http://kyofel2.dyndns.org/upgrade6/ - but I don't get how to debug that stupid failure on i386
[11:23] <Tm_T> if we had people testing it I would rather keep it but yeah
[11:23] <shadeslayer> heh
[11:24] <Tm_T> so, does this mean no powerpc packages at all for KDE?
[11:24] <shadeslayer> there are packages
[11:24] <shadeslayer> but the ISO is a different beast
[11:24] <Tm_T> roger
[11:25] <shadeslayer> I believe the powerpc machines can't boot usb drives
[11:25] <Tm_T> so no real change for user POV
[11:25] <smartboyhw> Tm_T, yep.
[11:25] <shadeslayer> I'd rather have a very small net install ISO for powerpc
[11:25] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: atleast not those I've seen
[11:25] <smartboyhw> The problem is that the Ubuntu Technical Board can't force to remove PowerPC in at least 3 years
[11:26] <smartboyhw> The Lubuntu guys will rather quit than not supporting PowerPC...
[11:26] <Tm_T> smartboyhw: which is fine if they're up to a task
[11:26] <shadeslayer> yofel__: you haven't violated the BuyVM TOS yet? :P
[11:26] <shadeslayer> I was readin their TOS, they're quite strict
[11:26] <shadeslayer> *Reading
[11:26] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, +1 on the Net ISO
[11:31] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I think it would be a better idea if you could propose a Kubuntu Council vote on kubuntu-devel mailing lsit
[11:31] <smartboyhw> s/lsit/list/
[11:31] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "Riddell, I think it would be a better idea if you could propose a Kubuntu Council vote on kubuntu-devel mailing list"
[11:31] <yofel__> shadeslayer: haven't gotten a ticket yet ^^ - and it's not like I can actually *measure* how much I affect other systems. The upgrades don't have a constant resources usage anyway, so it should be fine I think
[11:31] <yofel__> *resource
[11:31] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[11:32] <shadeslayer> they actually monitor your swap usage I think
[11:32] <shadeslayer> I have 500 MB's which has been fine so far
[11:33] <yofel__> why would swap matter o.O?
[11:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: package update for runtime ready just waiting for you :P
[11:33] <shadeslayer> yofel__: http://wiki.buyvm.net/doku.php/kvm
[11:33] <shadeslayer> "Please set reasonable Pagefile/Swap sizes as excessive IO caused by abusing these will result in suspension, repeated abuse will result in termination without credit nor refund."
[11:34] <Riddell> apachelogger: anything exciting?
[11:34]  * smartboyhw has been waiting for Riddell to ACK lightdm
[11:34] <yofel__> shadeslayer: IOP measurement makes sense, anything else, not much
[11:34] <Riddell> smartboyhw: shrug, we can keep our current policy of not releasing it if it doesn't get testers and that'll happen automatically
[11:34] <smartboyhw> Riddell, we didn't test?:P
[11:35] <smartboyhw> I thought you and me did.
[11:35] <smartboyhw> Riddell, or do you mean PowerPC?
[11:35]  * smartboyhw faints
[11:35] <smartboyhw> Riddell, oh well OK
[11:35]  * shadeslayer gives smartboyhw some Irn Bru
[11:36]  * smartboyhw doesn't hope there will be testers for PowerPC:P
[11:36] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, no need thanks:)
[11:37] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yes powerpc
[11:37] <smartboyhw> Riddell, well O.K. then
[11:40] <yofel__> shadeslayer: I need to change something in the script anyway. Only running cleanup() after everything finishes doesn't scale
[11:40] <shadeslayer> ah :)
[11:41] <shadeslayer> we should get stgraber to merge the changes back into upstream
[11:43] <yofel__> yeah, need to talk to him about tmpfs too. Does that work correctly for you?
[11:43] <yofel__> here it's not freeing memory
[11:45] <shadeslayer> I tried it a couple of times, seemed to work
[11:46] <apachelogger> yofel__: all your memory are belong to us?
[11:47] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ping
[11:49] <yofel__> apachelogger: me running OOM won't help you much :P
[11:49] <yofel__> shadeslayer: I don't get what's wrong, tmpfs itself works fine, but tmpfs+overlayfs+lxc doesn't
[11:49] <apachelogger> that's you think...
[11:49] <apachelogger> oh there is a buggy in the kcm codez
[11:49] <apachelogger> hooray
[11:49] <apachelogger> -.-
[11:50] <shadeslayer> yofel__: heh
[12:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: what needs done with kde-runtime?
[12:04] <Riddell> just testing the patch?
[12:04] <apachelogger> yeah
[12:05] <apachelogger> known issue: if you set a language and then remove it again (i.e. empty selection) you get a broken LANGUAGE, already fixed localy
[12:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: kscreen with all translations arriving in queue soon
[12:06] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, it arrived:P
[12:07] <apachelogger> fast daemons today
[12:07] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: pong
[12:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: are you ontop of the muon l10n mess?
[12:07] <apachelogger> any plans on how to fix it for raring?
[12:08] <JontheEchidna> so basically Messages.sh just needs fixing, yes?
[12:08] <apachelogger> I think
[12:08] <apachelogger> https://trello.com/c/5olZz0DJ
[12:09] <apachelogger> list of all stuff I noticed
[12:09] <apachelogger> most of which should be from libmuonapt not being covered at all
[12:09] <JontheEchidna> I'm not sure why libmuonapt is broken though :s
[12:09] <apachelogger> it's not in messages.sh at all
[12:10] <JontheEchidna> ah, there's only an extractrc call
[12:10] <JontheEchidna> dang
[12:10] <apachelogger> yeah
[12:11] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: perhaps creatina messages.sh for each component would make these things easier to notice?
[12:11] <apachelogger> though you'd still need to actually look at it, so :P
[12:11] <apachelogger> FWIW ... simply getting the xx psuedo-translation and doing a pre-release QA with it should prevent 99% of all l10n issues
[12:12] <apachelogger> that applies to all and every broken app in raring
[12:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: awooga! how did you do that?
[12:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: kscreen?
[12:17] <Riddell> yeah
[12:17] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/726464/
[12:17] <apachelogger> releaseme for world domination
[12:18] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, lOL
[12:18] <Riddell> apachelogger: that your releaseme script?
[12:18] <apachelogger> created a new tar, copied po to old tar, dpkg-source --commit, done :)
[12:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah
[12:18] <Riddell> nice
[12:31] <apachelogger> !find im-config.mo raring
[12:31]  * apachelogger blinks
[12:32] <apachelogger> ubottu: are you drunk?
[12:32] <apachelogger> ...
[12:32] <apachelogger> anyone got a raring ubuntu install at hand?
[12:33] <smartboyhw> lol
[12:34] <soee> apachelogger, im working on it right now
[12:34] <apachelogger> soee: please run dpkg -S im-config.mo
[12:35] <apachelogger> and paste the output
[12:35] <soee> apachelogger, dpkg-query: nie znaleziono ścieżki pasującej do wzorca *im-config.mo*
[12:36] <soee> path matching pattern not found
[12:36] <apachelogger> meh
[12:36] <apachelogger> oh
[12:36] <apachelogger> soee: is the system localized?
[12:36] <apachelogger> i.e. not english
[12:36] <soee> not sure :)
[12:36] <apachelogger> well does unity speak polish or english? :P
[12:36] <soee> apachelogger, well yes apps are localized
[12:37] <soee> PL
[12:37] <apachelogger> ok thanks
[12:37] <apachelogger> I guess im-config's translations is really in no languagepack then :S
[12:38] <soee> one moment
[12:39] <soee> i addded Polsih to prefered languages
[12:39] <soee> but the same result as before
[12:39] <apachelogger> that's a good thing... means we did not screw up ^^
[12:42] <apachelogger> hah
[12:42] <apachelogger> I think this im-config package has broken l10n
[12:42] <apachelogger> or at least it does not strip the desktop file
[12:42] <apachelogger> which probably is a sign of that
[13:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: kubuntu l10n should be sorted now, there is a bug with pot-package mapping that makes the export tool ignore universe packages unless manually mapped
[13:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: so answer is to ping pitti when we want one added?
[13:08] <apachelogger> pitti added mappings now so they should be in the next batch export
[13:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah
[13:08] <Riddell> lovely thanks
[13:08] <apachelogger> I added a note about it to the wiki
[13:08]  * Riddell compiling kde-runtime
[13:08] <apachelogger> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/l10n
[13:21] <Riddell> apachelogger: ok how do I test this kcmlocale patch?
[13:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: set language via kcm confirm that ~/.kde/env/setlocale.sh has sane contents
[13:22] <apachelogger> alternatively log out and log in, confirm that kdesudo software-properties-kde is localized
[13:34] <Riddell> apachelogger: yep seems to work
[13:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: ok, uploading
[13:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: runtime and workspace heading towards the queue
[13:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's in workspace?
[13:43] <apachelogger> patched away kde-default.png showing up in the dialog and moved stripes.png to kdm package (where it belongs)
[13:44] <Riddell> oh cool
[13:44] <Riddell> I think the download new wallpapers button needs to be more prominent
[13:44] <Riddell> just from that video review where the person said there weren't many wallpapers
[13:44] <Riddell> random thought
[13:45] <apachelogger> I'd be more interested in whether we can have it localized in raring ^^
[13:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: how much more prominent could it be
[13:45] <apachelogger> short of embedding fake items in the model that will upon selection download on-the-fly
[13:46]  * smartboyhw really hates powerpc
[13:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: last wallpaper option should be the "download more" button I think
[13:47] <apachelogger> hm
[13:47] <apachelogger> same thing except not as fancy :P
[13:47] <apachelogger> rectangle or wallpaper icon with centered plus overlay
[13:48] <apachelogger> could look nice I guess
[13:48] <apachelogger> oh actually it needs to be a star
[13:48] <apachelogger> -.-
[13:51] <apachelogger> well
[13:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: only colord is missing for l10n it seems
[13:52] <apachelogger> and ktp
[13:52] <apachelogger> the issue presented on the card is not fixed in the upload, but another one ^^
[13:53] <apachelogger> im-config and disk-creator should get fixed in the next langpack upload (or so I hope)
[13:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: oh what's up with ktp?
[13:54] <apachelogger> ksplash needs addressing upstream and I am not sure that is going to happen until workspace5
[13:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: see screenshot
[13:54] <apachelogger> in the contacts list app the states are not localized because the internals libs does not load its own catalog
[13:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: are you trying to land ktp 0.6.1 before release?
[13:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: 0.6.1 is in
[13:55] <apachelogger> oh
[13:55] <apachelogger> oh :O
[13:56] <Riddell> oh?
[13:57] <apachelogger> need to test :P
[13:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: when did it land?
[13:57] <Quintasan> Did I hear testing?
[13:57]  * Quintasan boots his pc
[13:57] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: so there is this qapt dialog you get when running software-properties and it wants to refresh the cache
[13:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: this morning?
[13:57] <apachelogger> cool
[13:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: and when showing the details it says remaining time
[13:58] <apachelogger> and that is 15 and then it countts down to 0, and then it is unkown, and then it is 15 again counting down to 0....
[13:59] <apachelogger> so here's my view on time estimates: either you make a good estimate or you should make any... -.-
[13:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: not yet in repos it seems
[14:00] <apachelogger> homerun arrived though \o/
[14:01] <apachelogger> lol, not any more translated than before ^^
[14:08] <apachelogger> hm
[14:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: please reject runtime
[14:09] <apachelogger> on my other VM setlocale.sh only manages to set LANGUAGE with export
[14:09] <apachelogger> LANG works for some reason
[14:09] <apachelogger> so I guess we should simply use export to be extra safe
[14:11] <Riddell> rejected
[14:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: fixed version uploaded
[14:26] <xnox> ScottK: reading/searching for previous Qt5 plans from riverbanksoftware the drift I perceived is "yeah we are working on it behind the closed doors, but nobody paid us enough yet for a swift full/proper PyQt5"
[14:26] <Riddell> Darkwing: so any ideas how to get translations into the docs?
[14:26] <Riddell> "we" isn't quite the right term for riverbanksoftware, it's a one man operation
[14:51] <shadeslayer> hurrah, I figured out how to use errors.ubuntu.com
[14:51] <shadeslayer> https://errors.ubuntu.com/?user=kubuntu-bugs&period=month
[14:52] <shadeslayer> pretty graphs
[14:55] <Quintasan> ScottK: Do you know how make KMail send mails from @kubuntu.org?
[15:27] <davmor2> Quintasan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuEmail
[15:29] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: you setup another identity I think
[15:29] <shadeslayer> the alias thingy doesn't quite work
[15:54] <lordievader> Good afternoon
[15:58] <Riddell> ug, I do dislike docs and translations
[15:58] <smartboyhw_> lol
[16:19] <Riddell> yep, our docs translations are screwed
[16:20] <smartboyhw> Riddell: That's not good
[16:20] <smartboyhw> apachelogger: ^
[16:33] <Riddell> jr@gallus:~⚡cat ~/.kde/env/setlocale.sh
[16:33] <Riddell> LANG=fr_GB.ISO-8859-1
[16:33] <Riddell> apachelogger: fr_GB?  is that supposed to happen?
[16:52] <debfx> does anyone object to adding this patch to kmix? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=313579#c10
[16:53] <debfx> currently the volume changes by 15% when you scroll on the kmix icon
[17:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^
[17:30] <Mamarok> debfx: +1 from me, the current step is just stupid, everybody is complaining about
[17:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes, the encoding is crap though
[17:33] <apachelogger> how did you do that?
[17:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: what's the content of LANGUAGE
[17:49] <apachelogger> debfx: I'd ask why it was not backported
[18:59] <soee> hi, anybody here, i have urgent question
[19:02] <soee> apachelogger, maybe you ?
[19:07] <shadeslayer> soee: just ask :-)
[19:08] <soee> shadeslayer, yesterday i think i wrote about my problems with latest nvidia drivers, the problem was more complex, a lot of packages was missing, kwin, workspace, etc oO
[19:08] <soee> what do i have to install to be sure full kde desktop is here ?
[19:08] <shadeslayer> kubuntu-desktop
[19:10] <soee> also what can be the reason i can install any nvidia drivers ?
[19:13] <soee> if i add edgers ppa
[19:13] <soee> and try to install nvidia-current it will instal 304
[19:14] <yofel> the edgers ppa itself? that thing isn't supported in any way
[19:14]  * yofel uses nvidia-310, works fine
[19:14] <soee> :<
[19:15] <soee> brb reboot i hope i can boot again
[19:36] <soee> ok i think i fixed all now :/
[21:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: jr@gallus:~⚡cat .kde/env/setlocale.sh
[21:47] <Riddell> LANG=fr_GB.ISO-8859-1
[21:47] <Riddell> LANGUAGE=fr:es:en_US:en
[21:49] <Riddell> https://plus.google.com/105682810766335536482/posts/Qb4JxkieNHQ  "100 things that are great about Kubuntu?"
[22:04] <Riddell> http://blogs.kde.org/2013/04/17/100-things-are-great-about-kubuntu
[22:51] <ScottK> Quintasan: as shadeslayer says.
[22:51] <ScottK> xnox: OK.
[22:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: ah, that may be the export issue then
[22:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: add exports and change the encoding to UTF-8
[22:53] <apachelogger> then try to change the language again
[22:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: sorry what?  add where?
[23:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: in setlocale.sh prepend each line with export
[23:17] <apachelogger> and change ISO-8859-1 to UTF-8
[23:17] <apachelogger> then logout and back in again
[23:17] <apachelogger> then make spanish your top language choice and check that the encoding is still UTF-8
[23:19] <apachelogger> and about the fr_GB, while that does not exist it reflects what you selected, country GB and language fr, if you choose country France you'll get fr_FR
[23:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: that is exactly the issue I faced in my VM ... without export the LANGUAGE variable would be left empty and then stuff falls over and things the encoding is ISO8859 and that in turn causes encoding problems
[23:22] <apachelogger> e.g. I am reasonable certain if you run apt with your present envrionment you'll get illformed accented characters
[23:29] <Riddell> yes I do
[23:30] <Riddell> apachelogger: but shouldn't it not be possible to end up with ISO-8859-1 and fr_GB?
[23:33] <apachelogger> not with LANGUAGE is broken
[23:33] <apachelogger> problem is LANGUAGE=\0
[23:34] <apachelogger> so KDE and a whole bunch of other things get confused and think the encoding is ISO8859
[23:34] <apachelogger> and fr_GB you can argue about
[23:35] <apachelogger> it is what you configured, yet it makes no sense so everything will default to fr_FR anyway
[23:35] <Riddell> oh I see
[23:36] <apachelogger> point being matching KDE locale to Linux locale is almost impossible
[23:36] <apachelogger> so the best thing one can do is check does fr_GB exist and if not fiddle it to something else
[23:36] <Riddell> I'm not convinced I did configure fr_GB, there's no such thing as a british dialect of french
[23:36] <apachelogger> though that requires excessive xml parsing and crap ^^
[23:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: you country in the kcm is GB
[23:37] <apachelogger> first tab
[23:37] <apachelogger> that's where that comes from
[23:38] <apachelogger> FWIW ultimately we'd also set a bunch of other variables for numeric format and whatnot but there the mapping from what KDE supports and what Linux supports is even more impossible
[23:40] <apachelogger> http://community.kde.org/KDE_Core/ISO_Codes outlines pretty much all the differences


[11:28] <Bicyus> Hello everyone!
[12:04] <Bicyus> guys wich package is responsible for DHCP in PPA maas-maintainers/stable?
[12:05] <Bicyus> can't make it to work on 12.04
[12:30] <roaksoax> Bicyus: maas-dhcp
[12:30] <roaksoax> install that and maas-dns
[12:36] <Bicyus> roaksoax: Thanks. they are installed but cant see wich procces is responsible for DHCP,
[12:37] <Bicyus> nothing on  "ps aux|grep dhcp" after "service maas-dhcp restart"
[12:49] <roaksoax> Bicyus: did you configure dchp/dns on the webui?
[13:21] <Bicyus> webUI? seem there is nothing about dhco/dns!
[13:21] <Bicyus> double checking...
[13:58] <roaksoax> Bicyus: Go to the settings and there you will see the cluster controller, edit the cluster controller and config the DNS/DHCP stuff for an interfae of it
[13:59] <Bicyus> thanks roaksoax!
[13:59] <Bicyus> i'm reinstalling from 0 again ;-)
[16:39] <smoser> roaksoax, is there a way to move a node from 'available' to commissioning?
[16:40] <smoser> oh. wow, it looks like rvba is near there
[16:40] <smoser> https://code.launchpad.net/~rvb/maas/en-masse-delete/+merge/166513
[16:41] <smoser> rvba, can you confirm that ? that your branch there plans on letting me move nodes into commissioning (or any valid state transition even!) from the api ?
[16:43] <rvba> smoser: that branch implements bulk actions in the UI.  But all the logic is in a form that will be reüsed by the API to let you do the same thing using the API.  I'll do that as a follow-up branch.
[16:43] <smoser> so that is "in plan" ?
[16:43] <smoser> is there a blueprint task or something  for that ? or a bug ?
[16:44] <smoser> i can open a bug if you'd like
[16:44] <rvba> There is a blueprint.
[16:44] <roaksoax> smoser: yes it is if you play with the db
[16:47] <rvba> smoser: I thought it was mentioned on the blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cdo-dev/+spec/s-cloud-maas-scale-ui … but it's not there :)
[16:47] <rvba> smoser: if everything goes according to plan, I'll do the API stuff tomorrow.
[16:48] <smoser> rvba, hoorah
[16:56] <rvba> smoser: would you mind filing a bug still?  I have the impression that the method you need is a bit different from what I'm planning to add.
[16:57]  * rvba is off.
[17:02] <smoser> rvba, bug 1185897
[17:27] <Bicyus> bye guys! ;-) have a nice day!


[08:35] <fossfreedom_> Anyone around who can tweak https://packages.ubuntu.com/ to default now to mantic?  its still defaulting to kinetic.  TIA.
[10:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: firmware-sof (jammy-proposed/restricted) [2.0-1ubuntu4.2 => 2.0-1ubuntu4.3] (no packageset)
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[13:41] <tsimonq2> Ubuntu 24.04 is Noble NANIMAL: https://twitter.com/ubuntu/status/1715303697981362241
[13:44] <tsimonq2> ubuntu-release: Please ping me when you have chroots made and base-files/distro-info-data done. I have vim, devscripts, lintian, debhelper, calamares-settings-ubuntu, and lxqt-powermanagement ready to fire at the archive.
[13:45] <tsimonq2> Oh, and debootstrap too.
[13:52] <tsimonq2> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-transition-trackers/ubuntu-transition-tracker/configs/revision/1049
[13:55] <tsimonq2> https://salsa.debian.org/lintian/lintian/-/merge_requests/483
[13:55] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Merge 483 in lintian/lintian "Add 'noble' as a known Ubuntu distribution." [Opened]
[13:56] <tsimonq2> "    - Update debootstrap to automatically use the gutsy script by default if the target is an Ubuntu release known to distro-info, eliminating the need to upload debootstrap for each new Ubuntu release." oh cool :) I'll update the docs
[13:57] <ricotz> \o/
[13:58] <tsimonq2> I forget where the *handwave* Jira tasks are, someone in Foundations should probably look at that, but I've at least updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewReleaseCycleProcess
[15:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected gdm3 [source] (jammy-proposed) [42.0-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
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[18:47] <ahasenack_> are arm* builders kaput?
[18:48] <ahasenack_> or just overloaded
[18:48] <ahasenack_> (ppa builders, if that makes a difference)
[18:50] <tsimonq2> ahasenack_: I saw some related talk in #launchpad
[19:35] <tsimonq2> Lintian and Vim SRUs coming in bug 2040011 bug 2040012 - uploading now.
[19:35] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Bug 2040011 in vim (Ubuntu Mantic) "[SRU] Ensure supported codenames are accurate" [Wishlist, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2040011
[19:35] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Bug 2040012 in lintian (Ubuntu Mantic) "Add Noble as a known Ubuntu distribution" [Wishlist, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2040012
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[19:39] <tsimonq2> ubuntu-security: We might want to coordinate if you have any staged Vim updates. ^^^^^^^
[19:53] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: FWIW, lintian in Jammy didn't know about mantic this entire past cycle.
[19:54] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: That's part of the diffs. :)
[19:54] <Eickmeyer>  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[19:54] <tsimonq2> :D
[21:11] <mitchdz> Hi, can someone please remove `amazon-ec2-net-utils` 2.3.0-2~ubuntu0.22.04 from -proposed? After working on an E2E test I found an issue with this package and I'd rather not publish this package to Jammy with this known issue. More details in latest comment here - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amazon-ec2-net-utils/+bug/2037437
[21:11] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2037437 in amazon-ec2-net-utils (Ubuntu) "Include amazon-ec2-net-utils in Jammy/Focal archive" [Undecided, New]
[21:16] <tsimonq2> Is something up with upload.ubuntu.com or is it just me?
[21:27] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: Something might be up.
[21:27]  * Eickmeyer had DNS resolution failure
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[13:04] <adham> hi everyone
[13:05] <adham> I have an urgent question I have installed kubernetes on top of maas, then a lot of vms has been created and these nodes can be in MAAS, however these nodes are not available in kubernetes I'm not sure if these 2 are related
[13:05] <adham> I installed The canonical distribution kubernetes
[13:05] <adham> The vms that has been created are as following: aware-code aware-yak casual-corgi casual-whale casual-mole clear-hound close-liger cool-troll decent-beetle divine-bug driven-drake easy-cod equal-frog equal-swan exotic-earwig expert-cow expert-slug fair-bee first-dog frank-monkey gentle-racer good-koi grown-bunny guided-eft handy-wahoo hip-hornet holy-bass holy-hen intent-bear large-kit
[13:06] <adham> do anyone have any idea about those spam vms on maas?
[13:06] <adham> or local vm i'd say?
[13:09] <adham> details I have added to the question here https://stackoverflow.com/questions/50970133/installed-kubernetes-on-ubuntu-and-i-see-a-lot-of-nodes-are-getting-created-in-m
[13:09] <adham> but it seems that noone have knowledge
[13:09] <adham> if anyone here have any idea, it would be very appreciated if you can really assist
[18:43] <mup> Bug #1778258 opened: Commissioning script names cut off in UI <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1778258>
[18:43] <mup> Bug #1778260 opened: [UI] Scipt result actions dropdown has cutoff text <ui> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1778260>


[00:08] <JamesTait> Is anyone else getting a segfault when launching bitcoin-app from the click store?
[00:46] <szymon_w> hi! any idea where is data stored for ubuntu one account on UT ? I removed my u1 account through settings/accounts/ubuntuOne/remove and now I can not add it back...
[01:18] <lops> guy, anyone around? i'm using adb shell and the command "start" is unkown to phablet, but root knows it. Why would that happen? It workd fine a couple hours ago :S
[01:23] <lops> ugh. was missing the -i from 'sudo -i -u phablet
[04:57] <FuLgOrE> good morning
[05:00] <FuLgOrE> I subscribed to the ubuntu touch mail distribution list on launchpad but some thinks don't work. Can anybody tell me, how to reply on mails? Thunderbird guides me to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but I cannot find my answer on the launchpad webpage. Any ideas what could have happened?
[05:00] <FuLgOrE> -k+g
[08:14] <Farid> Hi
[08:15] <Farid> Is there any ubuntu for COBY MID9042?
[09:13] <trutzzi> Good morning all!
[09:13] <trutzzi> I want to know if Ubuntu run on Galaxy S2 ? (ANDROID 4.1.2) ?
[09:16] <j0chn> Hi there.
[09:16] <j0chn> I got a problem flashing my phone with ubuntu touch
[09:16] <j0chn> The phone is in bootload and terminal is waitin gfpr device
[09:16] <j0chn> The tutorial does not provide any help in this case
[09:20] <trutzzi> j0chn, what device do you have?
[09:21] <j0chn> It is a Galaxy Nexus with Android 4.3
[09:21] <trutzzi> you know if can run on galaxy s2 i9100?
[09:21] <j0chn> I already had it on i9100 ;)
[09:22] <trutzzi> tell me more about it
[09:22] <trutzzi> can make calls, camera work ?
[09:23] <j0chn> well I just installed and started it. Then I had problem using it and reflashed to android. So I can't do any comments
[09:24] <trutzzi> and now you try it on nexus?
[09:26] <j0chn> Yes. Because I like to try new things. But with my i9100 was the problem taht it is my main device. And if I can't handle it I don't want it
[09:26] <j0chn> And the Nexus is "free" so I want to test it on it because I don't really need it.
[09:26] <trutzzi> i know what it mine principal phone
[09:27] <trutzzi> i had try 4.3 on galaxy s2... i was in a trip and have really bugs and problems
[09:36] <j0chn> Well, you can't tell me what to do when the device is in bootloader and temrinal is waiting fpr deviceẞ
[09:36] <trutzzi> you have clockwise and backup?
[09:45] <j0chn> Backup: no clockwise = recovrey mode tool ? : twrp
[12:25] <aquarius> I believe the Ubuntu touch  keyboard is Maliit, yes? Can I customise the layout without recompiling? The base maliit keyboard comes with a bunch of plugins to actually do the hard work, some of which are QML (yay!) and some C++, and I don't know how to find out which Ubuntu is using...
[17:51] <Ploppz> At what stage of development is ubuntu for phone yet? Release?
[17:52] <Ploppz> "Developer Preview" it seems
[17:52] <Ploppz> When will the release be?
[17:52] <Ploppz> Oh, will there be something similar to WINE to run foreign apps?
[17:56] <j0chn> hi there
[17:57] <j0chn> I want to add my google and ubuntuone account on ubuntu touch but every time the login disappears to account overview
[19:05] <j0chn> is there an users manual ?
[22:16] <|80N35|> Hello, all ^_^
[22:17] <|80N35|> I think I may have the wrong device...
[22:17] <|80N35|> Here's my error:
[22:17] <|80N35|> INFO:phablet-flash:Device detected as toro
[22:17] <|80N35|> ERROR:phablet-flash:Unsupported device, autodetect fails device
[22:19] <|80N35|> Was the eBay listing wrong?
[22:19] <popey> |80N35|: that's the CMDA version isn't it?
[22:20] <|80N35|> What do you mean, Sir?
[22:20] <popey> toro is the CDMA version of the Samsung Galaxy nexus
[22:20] <popey> maguro is the GSM and HSPA version of the Samsung Galaxy nexus
[22:20] <|80N35|> Why would it list that as an error?
[22:21] <popey> we only support the GSM version, not the CDMA version
[22:21] <|80N35|> So I bought the wrong phone?
[22:21] <popey> I guess.
[22:21] <|80N35|> Nice phone...  :)
[22:22] <|80N35|> Kinda bummed, though.
[22:22] <Ploppz> I will repeat; I asked earlier when release date of Ubuntu Touch is/what stage of development is it currently at? And will there be something similar to WINE to run foreign programs?
[22:23] <bkc_> define "foreign apps" ?
[22:23] <|80N35|> Thanks for the answer, popey.
[22:24] <popey> Ploppz: its under development
[22:24] <popey> do you have specific questions about functionality
[22:24] <popey> ?
[22:25] <bkc_> popey: "will there be something similar to WINE to run foreign apps?"
[22:25] <bkc_> not really sure what he means with "foreign apps" though
[22:25] <popey> indeed
[22:25] <popey> hence my question ☻
[22:26] <Ploppz> Like apps that are made for andriod and other operating systems
[22:26] <|80N35|> Take care, everybody.  Thank you, again.
[22:26] <popey> We dont currently have plans to do that, no.
[22:26] <Ploppz> Okay. Wondering how the app repo will be (does it work like a repo?)
[22:27] <popey> there's a store from which you can install apps
[22:27] <popey> that works already
[22:27] <popey> we'll add the ability for people to add proprietary paid apps soon, currently only free apps are supported
[22:27] <Ploppz> Are there a lot of people working on apps? Would be nice to be able to use common apps like facebook, imgur, snapchat...
[22:28] <popey> there are imgur and facebook webapps
[22:28] <bkc_> iOS would be next to impossible.. Android might be do-able...
[22:28] <Ploppz> What do you mean, bkc_ ?
[22:28] <Ploppz> WINE?
[22:29] <bkc_> what does wie have to do with it? wine is for Windows-apps...
[22:29] <Ploppz> Yeah but my wine question then, that's what I'm referring to.
[22:29] <Ploppz> ANDE
[22:29] <popey> we could certainly potentially add the ability to run android apps in the future
[22:29] <bkc_> you'd have to implement the SW-stack for <insert-os-here> similar to what wine does for windows, yes...
[22:29] <popey> I don't know if that's the direction we want to go in
[22:29] <Ploppz> Ah, well, ubuntu touch looks rather awesome
[22:31] <popey> It is. ☻
[22:31] <bkc_> since Androids stack is open source (afaik) it would be fairly easy to implement a java-stack for it... but iOS is closed, hence it would require reverse-enginnering to implement that...
[22:31] <bkc_> and you'd get bitch-slapped by Apple if you'd release it
[22:32] <bkc_> not sure how Google stands on terms with UbuntuTouch, so no clue there
[22:33] <bkc_> anything else (read windows, os x) isn't feasable, since that would require much more than just wine...
[22:33] <Ploppz> Ah, personally I don't care about iOS :D
[22:33] <bkc_> neither do I, but you didn't specify ;)
[22:33] <Ploppz> Well if it's doable I guess, at some time, someone will do it
[22:34] <bkc_> Android is definitively doable, otherwise the android-simulator wouldn't work ;)
[23:58] <BillyZane> what's the prospect of having ubuntu touch for nexus 5
[23:59] <BillyZane> i notice on the nexus status spreadsheet, nexus 5 is not even listed