[00:14] <guiverc> arooni, I'd check you have plenty of disk space, homework if you rely on Qt4 or python2 apps/scripts/etc
[00:33] <tripleb> 20.04 re DE. I have no alternatives for DE on the login screen (that I know of) but I altered things so there is a top panel -- applications Places (space for shortcuts, space, space for shirtcuts, system icons time, last icon (about, logout... shutdown). Also a bottom panel taskbar, workspaces. --- I want to go back to vanilla 20.04 Ganome. How do I do that?
[00:33] <tripleb> ((flashback sounds familiar but nothing on the login screen.))
[01:03] <tripleb> a recent study found that COVID-19 transmission was 18.7 times higher indoors than outdoors
[01:04] <tripleb> oops
[01:14] <Apachez> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[04:16] <turboginger> Anyone here pretty good at trouble shooting vnc / xserver issues?
[04:17] <turboginger> I seemed to have delted my xservers or something. X11vnc connects but then breaks.
[04:29] <moonfmdesire> Hi I am trying to add a printer in ubuntu 20.04, an hp
[04:29] <moonfmdesire> model # laserjet p10006
[04:29] <moonfmdesire> I tried hp lip, no dice
[04:30] <moonfmdesire> the add printer dialog in default ubuntu, no dice
[04:30] <moonfmdesire> any ideas?
[04:31] <moonfmdesire> The interface sees the printer but the printer will not...print.
[04:36] <moonfmdesire> CUPS is not working either
[04:37] <moonfmdesire> Anyone home?
[04:38] <guiverc> moonfmdesire, people will respond when/if they're able to help
[04:38] <moonfmdesire> I guess the problem is too deep, then.
[05:22] <furycd001> HI guys.. I have a lenovo monitor connected to my laptop via hdmi. Using xrandr I'm trying to set a non-native resolution of 1920 x 1080 to match my laptop. It works but I get a box with the following text bouncing around the screen.. "Input Signal Out of Range. Please Change to 1366 x 768 @60Hz" Is there any way I can chnage to a non-native resolution without this box appearing & bouncing around the screen :?
[05:28] <turboginger> @fury -- unless I am mistaken you can only set to a 'non-native' res if it is <= your max res.
[05:28] <turboginger> so if your monitor has a max res of 1366x768, that might be it
[05:30] <furycd001> Yea that's the max resolution for the monitor because I checked. It's just that I can changed the resolution to 1920x1080 no problem. The box bouncing around the screen is terribly annoying so I just end up switching back to 1366x768....
[05:34] <celrocAmaul> Hi all, I've been out of the Linux loop for a hot minute, and just wanted to sanity check something before I tried it.  With EFI, it should be possible to install Ubuntu to, say, an external hard disk or USB thumb-drive without even touching the internal drives, if I'm not mistaken?  And then if the external drive isn't present, the computer will just boot Windows as previous, like nothing's ever happened?
[05:38] <celrocAmaul> Ah, sorry, I think I meant UEFI
[05:53] <furycd001> You can definitely install Linux to an external drive without touching the internal. If you set the external drive to boot first in the bios boot menu, your computer should automatically switch to the main internal drive if it can't boot from the external one. Could be wrong....
[05:54] <furycd001> Well my old dell dimension worked like that....
[05:55] <celrocAmaul> furycd001: Thank you!  :-D
[05:55] <furycd001> Not a problem :)
[05:56] <furycd001> Oh & if your worried about installing to the wrong drive or anything you could always disconnect the internal drive while doing the installation. That's what I did the first time I installed to an external drive....
[05:57] <celrocAmaul> furycd001: I've been reading through the guides on it, and it looks like I mainly need to creat a UEFI partition on the external drive, mount it to /boot/efi and set the "boot" flag.  The only thing that I'm a little fuzzy on at the moment is how the Ubuntu installer will know to use the external drive's UEFI partition and not touch the internal one
[05:57] <celrocAmaul> furycd001: That's a really good idea.  I might just do that to double-ensure that I don't muck things up lol
[05:57] <twb> in Ubuntu 20.04 default GUI (gnome-shell, I guess?), is there a way to run a foo.sh script from the file manager?  Double-clicking opens an editor.  Right-click context menu doesn't offer anything like "just run the thing"
[05:58] <twb> I can spin up gnome-terminal I'm just wondering if there's still a GUI way
[05:59] <furycd001> Yea I was worried the first time, but after doing it a few times I was fine....
[05:59] <furycd001> Gimme a sec I'm looking for a link I have on uefi....
[05:59] <celrocAmaul> furycd001: By the sounds of it, you've installed it without detaching the disk, and everything worked fine?
[06:01] <furycd001> Yea everything working fine as far as I could tell....
[06:03] <matsaman> twb: yes of course
[06:03] <celrocAmaul> furycd001: Thank you kindly, that helps put my mind at ease ^.^
[06:03] <twb> matsaman: OK, cool.  Where should I be looking?
[06:04] <Hashtag> I've done this before but I forgot how... how do you change the permissions of a directory so you can mess with the contents without having to sudo every time?
[06:04] <matsaman> twb: you should at most have to associate it with an executable that just passes it to a terminal; most terminals have a param for executing a particular command or path
[06:04] <furycd001> This was the link I found whenever I was trying to boot the netinstall.iso from efi on a 2009 white macbook....
[06:04] <furycd001> https://www.onetransistor.eu/2015/12/install-ubuntu-minimal-cd-uefi-enabled.html
[06:05] <celrocAmaul> furycd001: Oh, thank you, I'll definitely give that a look
[06:05] <twb> matsaman: oh OK.  I didn't mean to run in a terminal at all, just execute it the same as if I did alt+f2 /home/alice/foo.sh"
[06:06] <twb> matsaman: I did find the file association thing but it didn't offer gnome-terminal.desktop for text/x-shell-script or whatever
[06:06] <twb> matsaman: I can sort that out if that's the only way
[06:06] <furycd001> As long as you set up the drive correctly & then select the right one during the installation everything should be fine :)
[06:06] <twb> matsaman: in the old days nautilus would just run stuff if you double-clicked on it
[06:06] <matsaman> twb: no you can run it without a terminal open, too, a command is a command
[06:07] <matsaman> twb: you won't get much visual feed back or confirmation, though, unless you bake it in, though of course
[06:08] <celrocAmaul> furycd001: Ohhh!  And I bet I can go into the installer, click the internal drive's EFI partition, and choose "Do not use this partition" to unset it altogether!  Thanks man, I think that was the missing piece of the puzzle that I'd needed!
[06:09] <furycd001> @Hashtag: you could use the following to change the folder permission to your user. Just change $USER to your user & the folder location at the end.... sudo chown -R $USER ~/.locationforfolder
[06:11] <furycd001> I've never noticed that before, but you probably could do that. Glad I could help....
[06:12] <Hashtag> furycd001: Ah, that is explains it. The directory was owned by root
[06:13] <furycd001> Would explain why you've needed sudo lol....
[06:31] <furycd001> n
[06:52] <kevr> my vim plugins stderr is just painting on top of my buffer now, im not sure what i changed: https://i.postimg.cc/50Lf5rTd/error.png
[06:52] <kevr> any tips on debugging this through vim?
[07:08] <nikolam> Hi, what is the best way to debug/save debug information, When I have screen freezing after comping back form Standby?
[07:09] <nikolam> It had AMD graphics, (7850) and I can log into machine via ssh.. but screen is frozen, yet mouse cursor is able to move
[07:10] <nikolam> Both ps/2 and USB mouse are able to move mouse cursor but all the rest of the X session is frozen (also Ctrl+Alt+F1, F2.. doe snot react on keyboard press.. I also tried USB and PS/2 keyboards
[07:10] <nikolam> I think it has something to do with firefox "i think". when coming back form the Standby state
[07:11] <nikolam> and possibly graphics driver.. (Graphics have separate power supply as disks too, and it didn't went into standby mode)
[07:12] <nikolam> I had something like this before/recently (after 20.04) and I think it does not happen IF Firefox is not running after coming back from the standby.
[07:12] <luna_> Firefox 80 is released now
[07:13] <nikolam> I started typing something into Firefox in some web page form and screen freezes
[07:13] <nikolam> Can I collect some debug data, since I can ssh to machine, before restart?
[07:14] <matsaman> nikolam: sure you can't just killall firefox and avoid the restart?
[07:14] <nikolam> there are some threads named "Web Content" and "WebExtensions" eve I just killed firefox
[07:16] <nikolam> when I try to kill them, they are now <defunct>
[07:17] <nikolam> and can't be removed witth kill -9 anymore
[07:20] <nikolam> I have ssh -X session so I am collecting with apport-collect about X server
[07:22] <nikolam> Maybe the problem is that graphics card external power, does not also cut-off/goes into standby, when machine goes into standby and then driver misbihaves after coming back from standby, but that is  a new since 20.04
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> nikolam: easy on the enter button please, try to ask 1 question then patiently wait until volunteers reply
[07:24] <nikolam> apport-collect reported it managed to send debug data, but failed to open firefox over ssh -X, it detected firefox running.. even not running.
[07:26] <nikolam> lotuspsychje, any suggestion how to collect more debug data before reboot.. apport-collect said it maanged to send some debug data but couldn't open firefox to, presumely log into Launchpad and post a bug report.
[08:39] <Intelo> My headphones/ laptops speakers dont work for any audio when I have pluggin behringer um2 audio interface for handheld mic. What can be wrong? is this normal?  https://imgur.com/o4qLe5i.png   https://imgur.com/olU6x2g.png
[08:40] <viran> Hey, i've got a new machine, with an auros+570x motherboard, after installing ubuntu, do i need to install anything else to ensure the motherboard is working a peek performance?
[08:40] <viran> chipset drivers... etc
[09:27] <halvar> 4
[09:40] <rtyuiop> hi there
[09:42] <rtyuiop> getting this kind of message : https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/bNrw5jGjVS/ with rsync
[09:42] <rtyuiop> bash: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (en_US.utf-8) i don't know why ?
[09:44] <shailangsa> why are you using rsync?
[09:47] <rtyuiop> what is the issue with rsync i m not aware ?
[09:51] <shailangsa> where are you syncing from?
[09:54] <rtyuiop> local to remote
[09:57] <shailangsa> have you ran tried to sync it from the remote side?
[09:58] <rtyuiop> no
[09:59] <rtyuiop> let me check
[09:59] <rtyuiop> rsync not yet present on remote server
[10:01] <shailangsa> have you tried to use wget?
[10:01] <jpds> rtyuiop: rsync needs to be installed on both sides for you to use it
[10:02] <rtyuiop> ok thanks
[11:05] <isene> Need help with Letsencrypt. I followed a broken howto on how to fix renewal of my cert. I ended up deleting the domain under the letsencrypt directories archive, live and renewal. Now, I cannot get the certs reinstalled. See https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VSm3htNwnN/ How can I reset the whole shebang?
[11:06] <isene> Server is 18.04 running Apache/Mediawiki over at DigitalOcean
[11:08] <shailangsa> did you restore the certificate file?
[11:11] <isene> When I try running ' sudo certbot certonly -d d6gaming.org ' - I get to this (and don't know what to do): https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/W9qghdyPJR/
[11:18] <lotuspsychje> isene: are you on ubuntu-server?
[11:18] <lotuspsychje> isene: try asking at #ubuntu-server perhaps
[11:20] <isene> lotuspsychje: OK
[11:27] <isene> Fixed it :-)
[11:51] <leeyaa> hello
[11:51] <leeyaa> any tip how to debug network resets? https://bpa.st/GT5Q
[11:51] <leeyaa> it happens under heavy load. eventually the machine dies and i have to reboot it
[11:56] <pyzozord> hey my chromium doesn't have knetic scrolling, can someone help?
[11:58] <radraw> jq package is broken in Ubuntu 20.04 repository ? Try of install with "apt install jq" fails with the following error message:  File has unexpected size (1296 != 50232). Mirror sync in progress?
[12:00] <yeats> radraw: try 'sudo apt update' then try again
[12:05] <radraw> I already tried that, and tried different mirrors but effect is the same.
[12:11] <furycd001> #pyzozord: knetic scrolling may be disable for whatever reason. You can go into the flags section of chromium & enable it there I think.. chrome://flags/#smooth-scrolling
[12:18] <sub526> Need help in configuring the watchdog service in Ubuntu 16.04. Basically i'd like to know how to get the verbose logging enabled? From this logging , is there a way to confirm the last reboot reason is due to watchdog timeout?
[12:20] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:21] <shailangsa> hello
[12:25] <shailangsa> verbose logging for where?
[12:29] <sub526> shailangsa: watchdog daemon writes to the watchdog  device every interval. I want these messages is written into the syslog
[12:33] <sub526> sudo service watchdog start
[12:41] <OiYouYeahYou> Hi, I have an issue where the "Show Applications" menu is not showing any installed applications nor am I able to search for applications. I'm on the latest Ubuntu using GNOME
[12:57] <gideon> hi
[12:57] <gideon> is there an op available ?
[12:58] <gideon> i need to make a complaint. Pricey  is offering me  to buy crack via PM.
[13:03] <BluesKaj> gideon, just use "ignore"
[13:04] <gideon> Pricey is offering me to purchase "Ubuntu crack".
[13:04] <gideon> whatever that means
[13:04] <furycd001> @gideon: Some useful links,  but yea just ignore....
[13:04] <furycd001> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil && https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam
[13:04] <OiYouYeahYou> fixed my issue it by resetting `org/gnome/desktop/app-folders`
[13:23] <Intelo> how to set something as 'default' input/output for all apps?
[13:23] <Intelo> https://imgur.com/o4qLe5i.png   https://imgur.com/olU6x2g.png
[13:34] <dbugger> Fellas, I need help. I am going insane. I have a clean install of 20.04.1 and whenever when I log in, my monitors are set up like this (https://paste.pics/9X1CM).  I tried switching to 435, but then it is even worse... my X server will not even initiate.
[13:36] <dbugger> nouveau works fine, but yeah... performance...
[13:36] <dbugger> I have no idea what to do now
[13:52] <furycd001> @dbugger: not sure if this will help, but under display there should be a drop-down for rotation....
[14:11] <Katronix> Greetings all, just installed Ubuntu on a HP Omen computer, under Windows the sound works fine. Under Ubuntu however while it claims its playing sound nothing comes out of the speakers. Windows detects the sound card as a Realtek, Ubuntu detects it as a Starship/Matissse HD Audio Controller
[14:11] <Katronix> Any suggestions?
[14:18] <Katronix> I've tried the suggestions here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1242766/ubuntu-20-04-dummy-output-no-sound-card-in-use and it seems that I don't have timidity installed
[14:41] <coconut> Will firefox 80 come to focal ?
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> coconut: kep your system up to date
[14:50] <coconut> lotuspsychje, always doing that
[15:08] <croraf> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1892714 what does this mean: you need to remove "options snd-hda-intel dmic_detect=0", and upload a new dmesg with that removed.
[15:08] <croraf> what is dmesg, is this another apport-collect 1892714?
[15:11] <tomreyn> croraf: you must have a coniguration in /etc/modprobe.d/ which passes this option to this module
[15:11] <croraf> I know how to remove this option
[15:11] <tomreyn> croraf: dmesg is a command you can run, it prints the kernel log
[15:11] <croraf> (althouhg my pc crashes without it)
[15:12] <croraf> So he wants me to restart with this option. Do a dmesg command and past somehow? tomreyn
[15:12] <tomreyn> apport automatically gatehered the dmesg output when you ran ubuntu-bug / apport to collect logs
[15:12] <tomreyn> the request is that you disable the module option and reboot, then run dmesg, captuire its output to a file, and attach this file to the bug report
[15:14] <tomreyn> hui has a @canonoical.com email address, so we should assume this is a serious request, not just a random person trying to give clues.
[15:15] <zamba> anyone worked with librosa? i have a set of very long audio files in mp3 format (each file is around 24 hours long) and i want to handle all these files as a continous stream and then detect whenever there's sound above a certain threshold in these files.. anyone done something like that?
[15:18] <leftyfb> !ot | zamba
[15:18] <leftyfb> zamba: please try #ubuntu-offtopic for software recommendations
[15:55] <arooni> just upgraded to 20.04 and its great; but not sure what this recycle icon is or how to get rid of it https://imgur.com/a/8Oeu2iT
[15:55] <arooni> (far left icon)
[15:58] <tomreyn> arooni: have you tried clicking it?
[16:01] <arooni> tomreyn: i have; its a mystery
[16:01] <arooni> https://imgur.com/a/DXeLKic
[16:04] <tomreyn> arooni: this doesn't look like a default 20.04 ubuntu desktop anyways. my guess is this is a reboot prompt after updates were installed. but... just a guess.
[16:05] <arooni> well i do have some gnome shell extensions installed
[16:05] <arooni> but nothing too crazy
[16:05] <ledeni> arooni: it is openweather extension  and dont load weather for location you set
[16:06] <arooni> yay!  mystery solved!
[16:06] <lotuspsychje> what a fast solution oO
[16:07] <arooni> according to https://extensions.gnome.org/local/ ; i dont have have openweather installed
[16:07] <arooni> i did though when i logged in; maybe i need to restart
[16:07] <arooni> i uninstalled some
[16:07] <arooni> brb in a bit
[16:07] <tomreyn> apt list gnome-shell-extension-weather
[16:23] <viran> I need to shutdown the window server / GUI service to update my display drivers (CUDA) .. how do i get to that state?
[16:27] <leftyfb> viran: log out and/or reboot
[16:27] <leftyfb> viran: a reboot would be best when messing with video drivers
[16:27] <viran> how do i boot back into 'text mode'
[16:28] <viran> leftyfb
[16:28] <leftyfb> viran: why do you need that if you're playing with video drivers?
[16:29] <viran> i need to install something called Cuda 11, it will not let me install while the Nvidia drivers are in use... i need to reboot into a state where they are not used
[16:31] <tomreyn> !recovery | viran
[16:31] <leftyfb> viran: maybe try: sudo systemctl stop gdm
[16:32] <viran> will try, thanks
[16:32] <tomreyn> systemctl isolate multi-user.target
[16:39] <viran> worked fine, thanks
[16:44] <disi> anyone out there use a custom umask? why (not)?
[16:45] <CuChulaind> Hello. In gnome I an attempting to enable screen share. Sharing is enabled, when I turn on screen sharing I check the allow connections box, access options is require a password, and down below for Networks is says No networks selected for sharing
[16:45] <CuChulaind> I can not get past the point. Any ideas on what else needs to be enabled?
[16:55] <tvnn5r> You guys remember when Ubuntu had an option to install within Windows without partitioning?
[16:56] <leftyfb> !wsl | tvnn5r
[17:03] <arooni> whats everyones favorite new features of 20.04 that you didnt have in 18.04; it certainly feels snappier and i like that i can login with fingerprint auth
[17:03] <arooni> *what are
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | arooni
[17:59] <rangergord> Remember a long time ago when Ubuntu provided a way to install it from Windows, where it would write to a virtual filesystem located in C:/Ubuntu/disk.whatever ? Basically a way to run Ubuntu natively without touching the partitions? What was the name of this feature?
[18:04] <arooni> does anyone notice that with a bunch of gnome extensions installed the clock/date gets pushed farther and farther right so its either partially visible or not visible at all?
[18:11] <KonTh3D0n> /join ##weather-mi-us
[18:11] <KonTh3D0n>
[18:13] <RonWhoCaresHP520> Can anyone tell me what I should be doing?   https://askubuntu.com/q/1269939/453336
[18:17] <MazinKaesar> anyone is using Ubuntu on DELL Precision M4800?
[19:00] <DWSR> Hi all, are there instructions anywhere on how to build a custom Ubuntu image for a Raspberry Pi? I'm trying to build an image that is as small as possible for my Pi.
[19:04] <sarnold> DWSR: it'd probably be easier to take the existing images and apt-get purge whatever you don't want
[19:07] <DWSR> sarnold: That's my fallback, but I'd rather build from scratch repeatably than kludge backwards.
[19:09] <sarnold> DWSR: alright, if you're feeling adventurous :) https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage  is the starting point for many of the ubuntu 'image' things -- I don't know if it is used for rpi things or not, but it's the threat I've got a hold of :)
[19:10] <DWSR> sarnold: It appears that it is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/1892185
[19:10] <DWSR> That's a helpful thread to pull on
[19:10] <sarnold> hooray! :)
[20:51] <eelstrebor> i got this issue where all my devices work just fine on my network but my son's chromebook connects to the WAP and draws an ip address - dns and gateway is correct - too bad it's so locked down to where i can't try some diagnostic tests
[20:59] <leftyfb> eelstrebor: what is your ubuntu support question?
[21:14] <RadioMan> marnin / afternoon/evenin
[21:15] <RadioMan> I have a question, concernong vpn and ubuntu
[21:15] <RadioMan> here it is
[21:17] <RadioMan> i am new to the game and do not in any way need my ubuntu network manager changed to suffice a vpn, that being said, which commercial vpn will suit the needs of the casual consumer to which will not sacrifice the machines integrity.. thanks
[21:19] <sarnold> RadioMan: any vpn provider that uses wireguard or ipsec or openvpn should work, just so long as you can install it from ubuntu's repository rather than their repository
[21:20] <RadioMan> i see, great points, i have yet to set up open vpn.. thank you sarnold
[21:21] <RadioMan> anything else i may need to know ? .. thank you for your time and efforts
[21:22] <Aavar_> How can I dissable showing window content whilde dragging i cinnamon?
[21:24] <sarnold> RadioMan: just the usual caveat that a vpn doesn't provide magical security dust -- they get to see all the contents of all your connections, so it'd be best if those are done using TLS or SSH or similar, so your VPN provider doesn't just get handed a stream of everything you care the most about
[21:25] <RadioMan> thats what i was worried about sarnold , thanks for the insight. be blessed.. thank you
[21:26] <alichtman> Hey, I've got a really weird issue that popped up for me today. I turned my monitor on when I got up this morning and got a black screen. Couldn't revive it or enter any keystrokes to do anything, so I powered off the computer with the power switch. I restarted and (applied some pending updates I'd installed) now can not type all the characters on my keyboard in chat apps like Discord or Signal. Otherwise everything
[21:26] <alichtman> works fine
[21:26] <alichtman> How do I even start debugging this?
[21:27] <RadioMan> have a good day people
[21:28] <alichtman> My last backup is from 8 days ago so not the worst case if I just have to revert
[21:28] <alichtman> but this seems like it should be fixable
[21:28] <alichtman> and is also the weirdest bug I've ever personally run into
[21:28] <alichtman> I'm not sure if this is the right channel for this. If there's a better place, please let me know
[21:29] <matsaman> alichtman: you got space in your fs?
[21:29] <alichtman> Yeah, I should have plenty
[21:30] <tomreyn> alichtman: both of these are third party applications (not supported here), and both of them are electron applications, i think. they probably have their own support channels somewhere.
[21:30] <alichtman> ~200GB available
[21:31] <alichtman> I figured this was an Ubuntu issue instead of an individual app issue
[21:31] <alichtman> because multiple apps had the same problem
[21:31] <tomreyn> if they're both electron apps that's another unifying factor, and one that probably only applies to those.
[21:32] <alichtman> Gotcha
[21:32] <alichtman> Do you have any suggestions for approaching this problem, even if it's not an Ubuntu issue?
[21:32] <tomreyn> "they probably have their own support channels somewhere."
[21:33] <alichtman> alright, thanks
[21:34] <tomreyn> alichtman: which ubuntu version are you on? which character doesn't work? i got a copy of signal on ubuntu 18.04, so could try.
[21:36] <alichtman> I'm on 20.10, and most characters on my keyboard aren't working (h,a,s,d,etc). y and f do though
[21:37] <alichtman> I've been on 20.10 for a long time (~4 months). Never had an issue like this
[21:37] <alichtman> for today, I've been copying and pasting into my discord chats
[21:38] <alichtman> All punctuation works fine
[21:38] <alichtman> same for numbers
[21:39] <tomreyn> !ubuntu+1 | alichtman
[21:40] <alichtman> tomreyn: I'm new to IRC, what does the syntax in your last message mean?
[21:40] <tomreyn> it instructs ubottu, the channel bot, to tell you what it just did
[21:40] <alichtman> ah okay
[21:40] <alichtman> that's cool. I didn't know IRC bots were a thing
[21:41] <tomreyn> the ubuntu releases supported here, on #ubuntu, are listed in the channel /topic
[21:42] <alichtman> I'll hop over to that channel
[21:42] <alichtman> thanks
[21:45] <sarnold> alichtman: btw, do you by chance have a 'fn' button on your keyboard? or something that changes 'layers' or something similar?
[22:14] <mindbender1> Hello all
[22:15] <arooni> can i move *where* the notification window is on ubuntu 20.04
[22:16] <mindbender1> Please I need links to a guide on how to patch my kernel
[22:17] <tomreyn> arooni: it's under date + time. and you can move date + time using the 'dash to panel' extension
[22:18] <arooni> tomreyn:are we talking about the same thing?  i'm talking about those pop up messages from different apps
[22:19] <arooni> like calendar ; irc chat ; etc
[22:19] <tomreyn> there are different types of pop-up messages. but if you're referring to the gnome-shell notifications, yes, same thing.
[22:19] <arooni> gnome-shell notifications i believe yes
[22:20] <arooni> but they dont appera on the menu bar
[22:21] <tomreyn> mindbender1: why?
[22:21] <tomreyn> and patch how?
[22:21] <mindbender1> tomreyn, I have a patch I want to apply
[22:22] <tomreyn> against which kernel version?
[22:22] <mindbender1> tomreyn, The kernel for 20.04 i.e , 5.4 ...
[22:24] <tomreyn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel
[22:24] <mindbender1> The docs on ubuntu.com seem to be advising just in case you need to contribute
[22:25] <mindbender1> tomreyn, what about the issue around signing?
[22:25] <tomreyn> mindbender1: disable secureboot. or spend a lot of time on understanding how to properly sign it yourself and make the mainboard firmware accept that signature
[22:26] <mindbender1> tomreyn, I have already read a lot about signing
[22:26] <tomreyn> to spend a lot of time, start here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/SecureBoot
[22:26] <mindbender1> I just need that article that ties it up!
[22:26] <tomreyn> it's all there, i would think
[22:27] <mindbender1> tomreyn, not really
[22:28] <mindbender1> The signing seems centered around kernel modules
[22:28] <mindbender1> Not the kernel itself
[22:29] <mindbender1> I remember reading it up on speed but can;t really get to it again
[22:32] <tomreyn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/SecureBoot/KeyManagement/ImageSigning discusses how to sign a kernel image with an existing private key, you'd need to generate that key beforehand, and import the matching certificate (or that of its signing (intermedia) CA) via mokmanager
[22:32] <jeremy31> If the secure boot enforcement flag isn't set in the kernel, signed modules shouldn't be an issue
[22:33] <xbfrog> hi, i have 2 laptops both running ubuntu 20.04 both fully updated both connected to the same wifi. yesterday i got a message from the other laptop in chrome that site ubuntuupdates.org cannot be reached. check your internet connection check dns..but it doesnt happen with that laptop on every site just some. this laptop "can" connect to that page what's going on?
[22:42] <tomreyn> xbfrog: maybe it has a shaky wireless lan connection?
[22:43] <tomreyn> this sounds like intermittent network stability issues
[22:44] <xbfrog> ok
[22:45] <xbfrog> been using the same desk and internet connection. just started happening
[22:45] <xbfrog> what would cause the connection to be unstable?
[22:46] <xbfrog> nothings changed but updates
[22:46] <xbfrog> just seems odd
[22:50] <tomreyn> is the wireless chipset supported by ubuntu?
[22:51] <tomreyn> if it depends on an out of tree kernel moduleyou may need to update this from the source and rebuild it.
[23:52] <mrstrange> hey guys i apt-removed nginx and then i removed /etc/nginx
[23:52] <mrstrange> now when i reinstall nginx
[23:52] <mrstrange> it doesnt recreate the /etc/nginx folder
[23:52] <mrstrange> suggestions?
[23:54] <sarnold> mrstrange: try dpkg -l '*nginx*' | grep '^ii' --- then apt-get purge all those packages
[23:54] <sarnold> mrstrange: then try again
[23:58] <mrstrange> yes great thanks


[01:39] <alek_desk> amitk: ping
[08:35] <alek_desk> amitk: ping
[08:35] <amitk> alek_desk: hi
[08:36] <alek_desk> I saw your mail, and Rob also talked me about the 2.6.24 patches about Poulsbo
[08:36] <alek_desk> according to my comparison and test, I did not find any issue in the patches.
[08:37] <amitk> alek_desk: right. So were you able to use them as-is in your tree?
[08:38] <alek_desk> amitk: I did not use your patches directly (except for sigmatel patch), but I DID compare them with yours
[08:38] <amitk> alek_desk: any reason not to use the patches as-is?
[08:39] <amitk> I ask because it would be easier for us to keep our trees in sync if we used the same set of patches
[08:39] <alek_desk> before I knew you already converted those patches, I also finished and tested many of them.
[08:40] <alek_desk> BTW: amitk, I did not see your USBC patches
[08:41] <amitk> alek_desk: I didn't get the USBC patch from Intel yet, IIRC.
[08:41] <alek_desk> oh.
[08:42] <amitk> alek_desk: I would really like to keep our patchset in sync, so that we can drag-n-drop patches from one tree to another. This will help when you update patches in your tree and I need to put them in the Ubuntu tree.
[08:42] <alek_desk> I guess you could directly get the patch from Moblin now. Though some guy would drop a new release for me to integrate after new Poulsbo stepping
[08:43] <alek_desk> amitk, agree
[08:44] <amitk> alek_desk: Should we make a list of all known patches applied to both trees and see which ones can be common?
[08:44] <alek_desk> amitk, this would be helpful.
[08:44] <amitk> Could you reply to my email with the moblin list of patches. I will reply with the Ubuntu list and lets sync from there.
[08:45] <alek_desk> amitk, ok, will do.
[08:45] <amitk> alek_desk: I will clone your git repo in the meanwhile.
[08:46] <amitk> thanks alek_desk
[08:46] <alek_desk> amitk, thanks. the git tree should be under http://moblin.org/repos/projects/kernel-mid-2.6.24.git
[08:48] <amitk> alek_desk: BTW, what timezone are you in?
[08:49] <alek_desk> well. UTC+8, I guess I will attend next ubuntu-intel meeting in 1AM :-(
[08:53] <amitk> alek_desk: ouch
[14:27] <raji> asac, you there? I would like to know the procedure for sending a patch to the NetworkManager?
[15:15] <InSearchOf> agoliveira, can you point in the right direction to see some screenshots of UME?
[15:16] <agoliveira> InSearchOf: Hmmm... I think we don't have any online but I'm not 100% sure.
[15:16] <_slacker_> hi guys, little question, no ipconfig on UMobile?
[15:17] <InSearchOf> _slacker_, I think you may mean ifconfig?
[15:18] <_slacker_> InSearchOf, sorry! of course
[15:18] <_slacker_> InSearchOf, ifconfig, as well as iwconfig
[15:19] <InSearchOf> _slacker_, I wont work with UME, yet that is :-)
[15:19] <InSearchOf> s/wont/dont
[16:45] <InSearchOf> _slacker_, you still looking for an answer?
[16:49] <_slacker_> InSearchOf, if possible... ;)
[16:49] <InSearchOf> :-) what user are you logged in as?
[20:22] <tonyespy> /away
[23:29] <bryce> I've been having trouble getting libdrm2 and -psb built for ubuntu.


[16:04] <sherlock_> Hello all...
[16:04] <sherlock_> Hi, fossfreedom!
[21:18] <fossfreedom> jbicha, hi - yeah - you are correct about gnome-getting-started-docs.  Not sure why we are.  Definitely a mistake.
[21:19] <fossfreedom> jbicha, I'm more that happy to progress with LP: #1712047 - I've tested this and am happy.
[21:22] <hogpen> i query if someone may know how to remove the option for other... at login screen. i've been looking for a way to make my user the only user and the only option. lmk.
[21:23] <fossfreedom> flexiondotorg, before the new webkit2gtk is backported to zesty and xenial though does mate-welcome have a similar issue that we both had with our welcome apps where gtk threads caused crashing issues in this cycle?
[21:24] <fossfreedom> hogpen, 17.04 with the lightdm-gtk-greeter ?
[21:26] <hogpen> 16.04
[21:27] <fossfreedom> budgie-remix?
[21:27] <hogpen> yeah
[21:31] <fossfreedom> hogpen, I think in lightdm you need to edit /etc/lightdm.conf and add greeter-show-manual-login=false
[21:35] <hogpen> you're saying just add that line to that file? that might work
[21:35] <fossfreedom> yep
[21:39] <hogpen> then do i have to apt update or resart to see if it works?
[21:41] <fossfreedom> a reboot
[21:43] <hogpen> fossfreedom thanks pal for your time. if that works i will let know


[00:44] <jono> cjohnston, sorry I didnt see an email re. this chan
[00:45] <cjohnston> I just resent it to jono at u . c
[00:46] <jono> thanks cjohnston
[00:47] <jono> I have a nightmare inbox, will get to it soon
[00:47] <cjohnston> lol
[00:47] <jono> cjohnston, will post to the design team about this now
[00:47] <cjohnston> thats all it was about :-)
[00:47] <cjohnston> thanks jono
[00:48] <jono> thanks, cjohnston!
[00:49] <jono> mail sent
[00:49] <cjohnston> thanks
[00:50] <jono> I also changed the topic for their internal channel ;-)
[00:50] <jono> hey sladen!
[00:50] <cjohnston> cool
[00:50] <cjohnston> its sladen !
[00:50] <cjohnston> that was quick
[00:50] <jono> sladen is everywhere
[00:50] <cjohnston> true
[00:50] <jono> particularly Best Buy ;-)
[00:55] <sladen> the less said the better
[00:56] <sladen> what exciting things have I missed so far/
[00:56] <cjohnston> we were all waiting for you sladen
[01:13] <jono> sladen, :-)
[01:40] <wendar> sladen: welcome
[01:41]  * wendar realizes that she didn't pass the channel name on to the Canonical designers, and wonders if anyone else did before 1 hour ago
[01:53] <sladen> wendar: prompting is always useful
[09:12] <AlanBell> sladen \o/
[09:30] <doctormo-other> Hey AlanBell
[09:30] <doctormo-other> And peterm-ubuntu
[09:30] <doctormo-other> Know any javascript gurus?
[09:31] <AlanBell> I dabble
[09:31] <AlanBell> going to have to dabble a bit more to get etherpad lite going for UDS-Q
[09:31] <peterm-ubuntu> doctormo-other, what are you looking for?
[09:43] <doctormo-other> peterm-ubuntu: People with a bit of time and some javascript hacking experence
[09:43] <doctormo-other> AlanBell: Coincidentally with etherpad. What's the lite version?
[10:04] <AlanBell> a rewrite in node.js
[10:08] <doctormo-other> AlanBell: I'm rewriting ace2 and replacing the editor with svg-editor, but it's complex and I could do with some help.
[10:24] <AlanBell> what is ace2?
[10:26] <doctormo-other> AlanBell: The editor used in etherpad,
[10:27] <doctormo-other> It's a javascript construction which allows one to edit; it creates multiple iframe constructs and manages the calls between the editor and the sync javascript.
[10:28] <AlanBell> oh ok
[10:29] <AlanBell> so you want real time co-editing of arbitary svg objects
[10:31] <doctormo-other> AlanBell: Well that'd be nice. We only really need wire frames and maybe stroke color to be controlled by the highlight color.
[10:31] <doctormo-other> In terms of the sync, svg is only text to be shoveled in.
[10:32] <AlanBell> well, it is continuously valid xml to shovel in
[10:33] <doctormo-other> Ah even better :-D
[10:33] <doctormo-other> I'm still going through the code to get an idea where the graft needs to take place.
[10:34] <doctormo-other> This is the svg editor: http://svg-edit.googlecode.com/svn/branches/2.5.1/editor/svg-editor.html
[11:13] <sladen> doctormo-other: wow
[12:08] <AlanBell> doctormo-other: this is a really really interesting area
[12:08] <AlanBell> I have been pondering in the past how to do realtime co-editing of ODF documents between different office suites
[12:09] <AlanBell> which is basically passing fragments of XML about
[12:10] <AlanBell> I was thinking some kind of protocol that passed an internally valid (tags closed) chunck of XML and an xpath statement of where to insert it, or an xpath location for a node to delete
[14:22] <czajkowski> c
[15:24] <mhall119> AlanBell: you just need an XML diff tool, really
[15:25] <mhall119> which isn't as easy as it sounds
[15:25] <mhall119> if you had that, then you could plug it into bzr or whatever
[15:25] <AlanBell> it needs to not diff the whole thing all the time
[15:26] <AlanBell> and bzr isn't realtime
[15:26] <mhall119> true
[15:26] <mhall119> I suppose it could be though...
[15:27] <mhall119> doctormo-other: if you can make this work, it's going to get massive use I bet
[15:28] <mhall119> doctormo-other: are you looking at the java-based etherpad, or node.js based lite version?
[20:06] <wendar> doctormo-other: oh, I looked at GtkAtlantic, you're right the user experience did make me want to cry :(
[20:07] <wendar> doctormo-other: Not sure about about the client-server aspects, it might make the user journey more complex to sketch out
[20:46] <wendar> whatever we can get people excited about
[20:47] <wendar> I just ran across a little game we might be able to revamp in a week
[20:48] <wendar> http://fourdigits.sourceforge.net/doc/index.html#play
[20:49] <wendar> I suppose it's silly, but when I was a kid my first "big" programming project was writing a Mastermind game in Forth with my dad
[20:49] <wendar> so, I have an irrational fondness for this kind of guessing game
[20:51] <wendar> funny, it even got wikipedia notice http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulls_and_cows
[20:53] <cjohnston> .19
[22:11] <doctormo-other> wendar: Sounds good.
[22:12] <doctormo-other> mhall119: I'm betting it might. XML diff is not too hard, it's just a process that requires structural coherence mathematics.
[22:13] <doctormo-other> But with the svg stuff we have a much more well defined set of events to update the system with.
[22:14] <doctormo-other> When a shape is added, we're adding a node (possibly even a group). When a shape is transformed, we're changing the transform attributes.
[22:19] <mhall119> doctormo-other: yeah, that might be easier, especially if you limit what can be done
[22:35] <doctormo-other> cjohnston, mhall119: Is the Ubuntu website using the lite version or the java version? I've currently set up the java version here at home.
[22:38] <cjohnston> I may be missing something.
[23:17] <mhall119> doctormo-other: I think we're still using the original java one
[23:17] <mhall119> cjohnston: etherpad
[23:18] <mhall119> doctormo-other: AlanBell would be the one to ask though
[23:18] <cjohnston> for now etherpad
[23:18] <cjohnston> we will be switching to lite this cycle im told
[23:18] <AlanBell> java at the moment, yes
[23:18] <AlanBell> but that is a bit of a dead end
[23:19]  * cjohnston personally would love to figure out a way where when its a pad for uds it has a UDS greeting, otherwise, a regular greeting
[23:19] <AlanBell> yeah, we can get that in


[00:59] <mparillo> Same to you.
[09:45] <crydotsnake-M> Thanks ! 😊
[09:45] <crydotsnake-M> Is there anything to test right now?.
 elisa music player should be new on the iso today
[09:50] <crydotsnake-M> On the Kubuntu LTS?
[09:50] <crydotsnake-M> Or on 19.10
 20.04, or in backports PPA for 19.10
[09:52] <crydotsnake-M> Okay.
[09:52] <crydotsnake-M> Do you prefer LTS Versions or Stable Versions ?.
 I usually keep one machine on the LTS and another on latest
[10:12] <crydotsnake-M> Okay.
[14:08] <BluesKaj> Merry Christmas!
[14:26] <mamarley> Looks as if the Launchpad build farm has really crapped the bed.  It seems that the entire thing is frozen and no progress has been made in about 3 hours.
 Probably the buildd-manager process has fallen over again
[14:31] <BluesKaj> mamarley, maybe too much Christmas cheer :-)
[14:32] <mamarley> Too much eggnog? xD