[05:18] <JerOfPanic> morning
[05:18]  * rs2009 waves
[06:06] <firstwaswhen> hello
[06:07] <firstwaswhen> is this channel active?
[06:08] <guiverc> firstwaswhen, the chanel is active, people will answer support questions when the can.
[06:09] <guiverc> If you want to just talk/chat, please use #ubuntu-offtopic; this channel is support only
[06:09] <firstwaswhen> ok thank you.
[06:10] <firstwaswhen> I'm fairly new to linux in a way and I'm on ubuntu trying to pair my Airpod Pros to bluetooth for audio/voice and i'm having issues. I see it appear in the bluetooth list and click and it just spins and nothing happens.
[06:11] <firstwaswhen> I have tried editing the main.conf under /etc/bluetooth/main.conf and changing controller type to bredr which i heard fixes the issue but it hasn't worked for me
[06:12] <oerheks> to scan, pair and trust i use blues to fix those issues.
[06:12] <oerheks> !info blues
[06:12] <oerheks> !info bluez
[06:13] <firstwaswhen> ok i have read about bluez a little bit I will look into it thank you
[06:53] <firstwaswhen> just wanted to pop in and say that I got my airpods working. I'm a complete idiot and didn't realize that the Controller Type was commented out so while I did change it to bredr the change wasnt actually effective
[06:53] <firstwaswhen> thank you for your help though
[10:38] <Confusioned> Hi, how can I reset my monitor configuration of a monitor that is not plugged in? If I plug it in it doesn't show a thing anymore so it would be kind of good... think in the past there were xml files for it which could be just deleted... but now I have to construct a complicated gdbus-command, right? Or is there maybe an additional application for gnome where I can manage stored monitor profiles?
[12:04] <BluesKaj> Hi all
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[14:45] <fn31ln3> Hi, I have an Ubuntu install with an lvm2 encrypted partition, whenever I try to find out how much free space I got left, gparted, vgs etc, it says 20 GB, that cannot be right. I should have 100s of gigs free. Do I get incorrect info because its encrypted?
[14:45] <fn31ln3> how can I actually find out how much GB I have left?
[16:09] <iomari891> greetings, what cli network tool can I use to monitor network bandwidth per ip address. I'm using a linux box as my firewall router.
[16:13] <genii> iomari891: iftop, generally
[16:15] <iomari891> genii: thanks
[16:30] <lntl> Can ed(1) write to stdout?
[16:32] <BayouBilly> has there been a new zoom version for ubuntu lately
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> BayouBilly: there's a zoom snap if you like
[16:32] <BayouBilly> one that recognizes jack 48000 sampling and sink
[16:32] <silentfury> has anyone joined an ubuntu server and then pointed it to an RODC successfully? anything special aside from creating the AD computer account first?
[16:33] <BayouBilly> lotuspsychje..i tried the old snap  the other day and it crashes
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> BayouBilly: old snap?
[16:34] <BayouBilly> lotuspsychje...well when i reported it crashed they said it hadn't been updated since 2016
[16:34] <leftyfb> BayouBilly: <IP_ADDRESS>5 doesn't crash for me
[16:34] <leftyfb> BayouBilly: that's not true
[16:34] <BayouBilly> leftyfb..are you using jack
[16:34] <leftyfb> BayouBilly: no
[16:34] <leftyfb> BayouBilly: if you are crashing due to jack, then the issue should be reported with jack
[16:35] <BayouBilly> leftyfb well i need it for rosegarden and i reset audacious to use it and to use 48000 resampling
[16:35] <ravage> the current snap stable is still 5.9 because in newer versions clicking zoom-URLs does not work correctly. thats a limitation with snap atm
[16:35] <BayouBilly> leftyfb....well i don't know why it crashes
[16:35] <ravage> you can install the edge version if you dont mind that
[16:36] <leftyfb> BayouBilly: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/outdated-zoom-client/30743
[16:37] <ravage> you can also just download the .deb from the zoom website and update it manually
[16:38] <BayouBilly> well i can dpkg -i *.deb but i don't know how to remove a file with dpkg
[16:38] <BayouBilly> ravage that is why i use apt
[16:38] <ravage> you can use apt to remove it
[16:38] <BayouBilly> ravage oh ok
[16:38] <ravage> and also to install it
[16:38] <ravage> apt install ./your-app.deb
[16:39] <BayouBilly> ok
[16:42] <BayouBilly> well i would like to get zoom working on ubuntu...i have it on the windows 10 partition but i dont' have a 3d driver support for windows 10 so i can't use blender
[16:42] <BayouBilly> the hardware creeps won't supply drivers for windows 10
[16:43] <jhutchins> BayouBilly: According to the dpkg man page, you can remove a package with -r
[16:43] <jhutchins> BayouBilly: There are a lot of other options, you can use / to search for terms and phrases.
[16:43] <BayouBilly> hutchins oh great i did not know that...that is great it goes with dpkg -i
[16:44] <BayouBilly> anyway intel has some opengl support on ubuntu so i can use blender 2.79 here
[16:44] <BayouBilly> even though they won't support windows
[16:46] <wad> Uh oh. My IT guy just asked me to try and install the "Rippling" device management tool on my laptop. I'm running Ubuntu, and it's "not supported", though there is apparently a mac version.
[16:48] <user9d> ok
[16:48] <user9d> so you re-negotiate with the IT guy or ...?
[16:49] <user9d> buy a mac?
[16:49] <wad> LOL, I was hoping to find the source code for this MDM client, and build it for Linux....
[16:49] <leftyfb> wad: sorry, it's not supported on Ubuntu. You'll have to take that up with your IT guy. Good luck
[16:50] <BayouBilly> i guess intel expects people to keep buying the latest hardware just to get windows 10 drivers
[16:50] <user9d> wad: ooooo man. that sounds like an adventure. *hands wad a ring and points south-east*. Just a virtual 220 mile hike [unless you can get a giant Tesla-eagle].
[16:51] <user9d> what
[16:51] <leftyfb> lets stay on topic please
[16:51] <BayouBilly> that is terrible for people like me on hand me down hardware
[16:51] <ravage> BayouBilly, https://askubuntu.com/questions/1271154/updating-zoom-in-the-terminal there are 2 scripts that may be useful. one is a hook for apt. the 2nd a manual update script
[16:52] <BayouBilly> ravage ok let me go read it
[16:57] <BayouBilly> intel wrote a driver with opengl support for windows 7 for this old hardware but refused to write a decent driver for windows 10
[16:58] <BayouBilly> that is the kind of stuff that keeps radeon and nvidia in business
[16:59] <leftyfb> BayouBilly: lets stay on topic please (Ubuntu support). Feel free to /join #ubuntu-offtopic to discuss other topics
[16:59] <clarkk> If I install a package via apt that has a load of dependencies, just for that package, I try it, and realise it's not what I want, and then remove the package, how do I get a list of all the packages were installed so I can remove them too?
[16:59] <BayouBilly> leftyfb..ok i need to try to get zoom working on ubuntu
[17:00] <leftyfb> clarkk: sudo apt autoremove
[17:00] <clarkk> leftyfb, how do I get a list?
[17:00] <ravage> with that command
[17:00] <leftyfb> clarkk: it'll show you a list and confirm you want to remove them
[17:01] <clarkk> leftyfb, just for that specific package?
[17:01] <leftyfb> no
[17:01] <clarkk> how do I get that original list of dependencies?
[17:01] <leftyfb> clarkk: if you want a list of dependencies for a specific package that's been removed but you still have the deps, you'll need to write your own script
[17:02] <clarkk> I'm surprised this hasn't already been done
[17:02] <leftyfb> clarkk: apt-cache depends <packagename>
[17:02] <ravage> clarkk, https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy/nano shows the dependencies of that package
[17:02] <BayouBilly> clarkk..before you remove it..or just reinstall it temporarily and use gobj to examine its dependencies
[17:04] <leftyfb> BayouBilly: gobj isn't a default installed application
[17:04] <leftyfb> BayouBilly: when managing apt/dpkg, it's best to use the apt/dpkg tools
[17:04] <BayouBilly> leftyfb well isn't it part of gcc toolset
[17:05] <BayouBilly> to see what dependencies are running when you debug an app
[17:05] <leftyfb> BayouBilly: I can't seem to find any binary called "gobj" in the ubuntu repos
[17:05] <BayouBilly> leftyfb let me boot into ubuntu and find it
[17:06] <clarkk> thanks for your help everyone
[17:19] <user9d> your welcome clark
[17:28] <wad> I need that eagle... lol
[17:34] <laguna> i can't find the old gobj command but try ldd /usr/bin/gtkam for example to see all the dependencies
[17:35] <laguna> for programs built with gcc
[17:37] <laguna> if that helps you to remove all the dependencies
[17:38] <laguna> leftyfb does that help you
[17:38] <wad> Wow, I _really_ need a way to set the title of a tab in gnome-terminal!! O_O
[17:40] <wad> I've got multiple tabs open, spewing output, and I can't kill it to run a command to set the title of that tab, so I'm writing notes on paper, which tab is which output. :(
[17:40] <laguna> wow that no 3d hardware acceleration support for windows 10 really ticks me off
[17:40] <leftyfb> laguna: lets please stay on topic
[17:41] <laguna> leftyfb ok i am going back to trying to get zoom working
[17:50] <laguna> ok i did snap refresh zoom-client and now it is in a meeting room with video and jack audio works
[17:50] <laguna> is there someone with zoom that can join the room
[17:52] <laguna> to test it further
[18:00] <laguna> 735 5372 5789 is the meeting room number if somone can join in to test zoom
[18:10] <laguna> i still don't see anyone in the meeting room
[18:21] <laguna> is there anyone that can check  into the zoom meeting room to test the audio
[18:22] <jhutchins> laguna: Who is your target audience for zoom calls?
[18:22] <laguna> jhuthcins i don't have any target audience...just a computer enthusiast is needed to test the program
[18:23] <jhutchins> laguna: Doesn't zoom have a test connection in the setup?
[18:24] <jhutchins> (It's been a couple of years and this laptop doesn't have a mic or camera.)
[18:24] <laguna> jhutchins no i did not see any...but it did set up a meetingroom and i already pasted the number
[18:25] <laguna> jhuthins well don't feel bad..windows 10 doesn't have a driver for this old laptop that supports 3d hardware acceleration so i can't even run the windows blender app
[18:26] <laguna> i don't know why intel put some acceleration support in windows 7 but not in 10
[18:28] <TheViperMan> Probably the same reason nvidia give us awful drivers in linux, just because.
[18:28] <laguna> Viper..yeah right..just because
[18:28] <jhutchins> laguna: https://zoom.us/test
[18:30] <TheViperMan> The awfulness which is windows 10 is why im now here....and im a long time window user....kind of given up, windows 11 is even worse....
[18:30] <ravage> Please stay on topic here
[18:33] <jhutchins> laguna: Does the test link work?
[18:33] <laguna> i don't see anyone to test it with..
[18:34] <laguna> it does not call up the zoom client but it sets up a web based meeting with a meeting room...but i still don't see anyway to test it
[18:34] <jhutchins> laguna: What happens when you try to join the test meeting?
[18:34] <jhutchins> laguna: ... in a browser?
[18:34] <ash_worksi> is there a good tool to fix indent formatting on a php+html file with embedded javascript?
[18:35] <ash_worksi> (that is distributed with ubuntu or in canonical?)
[18:35] <johnfg> hi folks
[18:35] <jhutchins> ash_worksi: There's probably a lint plugin for various editors.
[18:36] <jhutchins> ash_worksi: Mixed languages is a little tougher.
[18:36] <ash_worksi> indeed :\
[18:36] <nteodosio> nicolasbock: Does it start with "sudo systemctl start gdm3"?
[18:36] <johnfg> I'm not getting tightvnc server to run.  I installed per some online instructions for 22.04, but I'm getting this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rmCqWPd5XK/
[18:36] <jhutchins> ash_worksi: You might consider separating the code and fixing each section.
[18:36] <laguna> hutchins it joins the test meeting in the browser but there is no one to test audio communications with
[18:36] <ash_worksi> hmm
[18:37] <jhutchins> jitsi
[18:38] <laguna> jhutchins i never could get jitsi to work...i tried it several years ago
[18:39] <jhutchins> laguna: Yeah, it's like pidgin.  Pidgin has been on the verge of working video calls for 20 years or so,
[18:39] <laguna> jhutchins ...yes i still have a copy of pidgin installed and unused it used to be gaim
[18:41] <jhutchins> laguna: There's also Duo - it's cross-platform.
[18:41] <laguna> jhutchins...i have not heard of duo
[18:42] <laguna> it will be an accomplishment just to get zoom working on linux
[18:42] <jhutchins> laguna: It's Google's conference product.  https://www.businessinsider.in/tech/news/whatsapp-skype-google-duo-and-other-zoom-alternatives-for-video-calling/articleshow/75407080.cms#:~:text=Google%20Duo%20allows%20a%20maximum,such%20limit%20for%20Google%20Duo.B
[18:43] <jhutchins> I've had skype, duo, and zoom working on Dell hardware in Linux, but working once for one person doesn't mean anything.
[18:47] <laguna> jhuthins..yea right...that google duo looks interesting because you can just use a phone number to set up a meeting
[18:48] <laguna> but you already have to pay for a phone with google..so it defeats the purpose of free web voice communications
[19:06] <nicolasbock> nteodosio: no. I am getting an error screen
[19:08] <nicolasbock> I can share journald logs if that helps nteodosio
[19:09] <nteodosio> nicolasbock: Is that error screen a generic and opaque screen or does it contain actual error messages?
[19:11] <nicolasbock> It just says oh no something has gone wrong
[19:11] <nicolasbock> It has a grayish background
[19:13] <nteodosio> nicolasbock: Ah yes, I feared that. In that case a pastebin of the journal should be more useful, but did you do something special before that happened?
[19:14] <nicolasbock> We can move this discussion to #ubuntu-next if that's more appropriate nteodosio
[19:14] <nicolasbock> No nothing special nteodosio
[19:14] <nicolasbock> Just a apt uograde
[19:16] <nteodosio> nicolasbock: Yes moved there since you're on Kinetic
[19:23] <laguna> jhuthins...see once you have to pay for a google phone plus a monthly phone bill..it defeats the purpose of free web based voice communications for everyone interested in the free lunch effort of the free software foundation and the free hardware foundation
[19:23] <laguna> a google phone is not free and neither is the monthly phone bill
[19:26] <laguna> jhutchins ..the free software and free hardware foundations have succeeded in keeping prices down but still they are not zero or free
[19:28] <laguna> jhutchins and you don't make money in prisons....so lower prices matter.
[19:35] <laguna> if people got paid fabulous salaries while in jails and prisons then we could afford more and not care so much about the free software and free hardware foundations
[19:37] <arraybolt3[m]> laguna: Feel free to talk about off-topic stuff in #ubuntu-offtopic (we like to keep this channel mostly for technical support).
[19:37] <laguna> arraybolt3 ok i am waiting to test zoom on ubuntu but no one else has it set up
[19:39] <tomreyn> laguna: this may help: https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/115002262083-Joining-a-Zoom-test-meeting
[19:40] <laguna> tomreyn.i already tried that but there is no one to test free audio communications with
[19:40] <tomreyn> i see
[19:40] <InPhase> laguna: Just install it on your phone and talk to yourself.
[19:40] <laguna> to avoid costly telephones and monthly telephone bills
[19:48] <laguna> ubuntu is getting more popular...over 1000 people in this chat room
[19:54] <leftyfb> laguna: this isn't the place to test such things
[19:55] <laguna> leftyfb..yes maybe not since no one was available to test it
[19:58] <laguna> probably millions of people will still pay for telephones and monthly phone bills since there is little interest in web based voice communications with free software on give away free hardware
[19:59] <johnfg> laguna, Not much time now, but in certain contexts, I know that Signal is *very* big (and free!).
[19:59] <johnfg> I meant I don't have time now.
[19:59] <laguna> johnfg..ok i will read about it
[20:10] <Linux> Hi
[20:10] <Linux> does anyone know when 5.19 will be officially available for 22.04? or it won't be?
[20:11] <laguna> what changes are in 5.19 from 5.15
[20:12] <ravage> Linux, at some time after the 22.10 release i guess. my current status us that 22.10 will ship with 5.19
[20:12] <ravage> but it may be a newer kernel. nothing is final here yet
[20:13] <laguna> ravage is 22.10 going to be an lts upgrade from22.04 or is it not long term
[20:13] <ravage> 22.10 will not be a LTS release
[20:13] <Linux> I'm guessing 6.0 might be done by theh.
[20:13] <laguna> ravage ok just the latest and greatest with all the bugs
[20:13] <Linux> I use btrfs, and for @ and @home and afaik they say use the latest kernel for latest btrfs code and stability
[20:14] <ravage> Ubuntu never aims for latest and greatest. But the non-LTS releases usually get some more "new" features
[20:14] <laguna> Linux what makes btrfs so much better than ext4
[20:15] <Linux> Well, in general, I am not interested in latest/greatest/bleeding edge. I'm just interested in having the latest kernel for btrfs stability etc.
[20:15] <Linux> It's advised that if you use btrfs, use the latest stable kernel.
[20:15] <ravage> i think btrfs works just fine in 5.15
[20:15] <Linux> laguna: many features what I like such as snapshots, subvolumes, timeshift, copy on write, self healing, data checksums, etc. etc.
[20:16] <ravage> it is not a filesystem that gets much attention in Ubuntu. They chose ZFS
[20:16] <laguna> Linux what make btrfs better than jfs or ext4
[20:16] <Linux> I don't know jfs.
[20:16] <laguna> Linux jfs for large video files
[20:16] <laguna> Linux the silicon graphics stuff
[20:16] <Linux> Linux ZFS is still not native and is a separate kernel module built by dkms
[20:17] <Linux> btrfs is included and shipped with the linux kernel
[20:17] <sarnold> ubuntu builds the zfs kernel modules for you
[20:17] <sarnold> no dkms required
[20:17] <Linux> Linus Torvaldes refuses to include zfs into linux for various legal reasons
[20:17] <Linux> sarnold: come again
[20:18] <Linux> sarnold: please link me to some literature I can consume about ubuntu ZFS root
[20:18] <laguna> Linux what  is the advantage of zfs is it a compressed file system
[20:18] <ravage> the Ubuntu kernel comes with ZFS. no need to build anything
[20:18] <Linux> I read on openzfs.org that they use https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/Getting%20Started/Ubuntu/Ubuntu%2020.04%20Root%20on%20ZFS.html
[20:18] <sarnold> Linux: when you use the desktop installer, select zfs if you wish
[20:18] <Linux> https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/Getting%20Started/Ubuntu/Ubuntu%2022.04%20Root%20on%20ZFS.html
[20:18] <Linux> Sorry this one.
[20:18] <Linux> The Ubuntu installer still has ZFS support, but it was almost removed for 22.04 and it no longer installs zsys. At the moment, this HOWTO still uses zsys, but that will be probably be removed in the near future.
[20:18] <Linux> This dissuaded me from using ZFS on root on ubuntu so i went with btr
[20:18] <sarnold> Linux: I followed an earlier version of that guide to install my laptop before 20.04 was released
[20:19] <sarnold> I'm not sure ubuntu root on zfs is necessarily a great idea; we haven't invested nearly as much into it as I hoped
[20:19] <ravage> my 22.04 install on encrypted ZFS did come with zsys
[20:19] <sarnold> it isn't as 'easy' a path as ext4
[20:19] <Linux> Well that's what I'm intersted in, ZFS on root and /home to be a dataset (like zfs subvolume)
[20:20] <ravage> btrfs subvolumes exist since the first releases
[20:20] <ravage> no new kernel required her
[20:20] <ravage> e
[20:20] <ravage> that even works on 4.x
[20:20] <Linux> https://bpa.st/WPLA
[20:21] <Linux> I chose btrfs in 22 installer, and this scheme ended up
[20:21] <Linux> one partition for boot, one for / and @home as a subvol under /
[20:21] <ravage> as i said before there is no special btrfs support in the installer
[20:21] <ravage> you have to chosse the manual layout
[20:22] <Linux> This is what the 22 installer did as partition scheme for btrfs
[20:22] <Linux> I didn't do anything manual.
[20:22] <ravage> see above
[20:22] <Linux> I'm having trouble understanding you.
[20:23] <Linux> Well, I'm saying, I'd like this configuration on zfs on root on ubuntu.
[20:23] <ravage> that is includes in the installer
[20:23] <Linux> I'm just finding out now.
[20:23] <ravage> it creates a home subvolume
[20:24] <Linux> Are you talking about zfs?
[20:24] <ravage> called "userdata"
[20:24] <ravage> yes
[20:24] <Linux> zfs doesn't have subvolumes
[20:24] <Linux> It has datasets.
[20:24] <ravage> same thing
[20:24] <ravage> you can mount that dataset as home
[20:24] <Linux> I know, but please use the correvt terminlogy to reduce confusion
[20:24] <ravage> heh
[20:24] <Linux> Be precise, if you won't mind
[20:24] <Linux> :)
[20:25] <ravage> i dont mind minding my own business then
[20:25] <Linux> Aww, really?
[20:25] <Linux> Ok. Have a good day.
[20:25] <Guest9167> hello. I was trying to update to Ubuntu 22.04 but it failed because I have only 311 MB of space on my /boot partition. It says that it needs 353 MB. I tried „sudo apt autoremove” as it was telling me but it did not free any space on /boot. Does it realy need that much space on /boot? Thanks
[20:25] <johnny_Linux> lol ravage
[20:26] <Linux> If a simple request for precision offends you to the point where you decide, I'll not help another, perhaps supprot on libera.chat isn't your cup of tea to begin with.
[20:26] <laguna> not really...see if you have too many kernels in boot
[20:26] <Linux> Just a sincere thought.
[20:27] <johnny_Linux> this is a support channel chill
[20:27] <laguna> you should be able to operate will with only 100megs for boot
[20:27] <InPhase> Guest9167: Did you look in there to see if there are some old kernels you can clear out?
[20:27] <Linux> johnny_Linux: https://libera.chat/guides/catalyst
[20:28] <InPhase> Guest9167: Even one kernel version should be enough to make up that difference.
[20:28] <Guest9167> I have vmlinuz-5.15.0-43-generic and vmlinuz-5.15.0-46-generic
[20:28] <laguna> 2 kernels and inits should not need 350 megs for boot
[20:28] <jhutchins> laguna: Duo has nothing to do with Google Phone, it is a free conferencing service.
[20:29] <jhutchins> laguna: I don't know how open it is, but it is OS compatible.
[20:29] <laguna> jhutchins..ok i will try to test it later
[20:29] <Linux> Should I switch? Backup and reinstall and restore to zfs on root? Or is that not a good idea in Ubuntu?
[20:29] <laguna> jhutchins i did finally make a zoom contact so it is working on ubuntu with jack audio
[20:30] <tomreyn> Guest9167: how large is your /boot exactly? df -h /boot
[20:30] <Guest9167> 512 MB
[20:30] <Linux> sarnold | I'm not sure ubuntu root on zfs is necessarily a great idea; <- other than not investing time into its development or whatever, any other reason why it might be a bad idea?
[20:30] <Linux> Or that we just don't know what might happen due to the lack of investd time into its dev.
[20:31] <Helenah> Linux: Nice nick! :D
[20:31] <Linux> You too!
[20:31] <Helenah> Nice username. :D
[20:31] <Linux> You're from Dead or Alive!
[20:31] <jhutchins> Has the instasller been fixed so that it doesn't create a separate /boot partition yet?
[20:31] <Linux> But that's probably off topic
[20:31] <Helenah> Yes, it is, but there is #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:32] <tomreyn> Guest9167: what you can do is use a different compression for the initrd. which ubuntu version are you using there now?
[20:32] <Guest9167> tomreyn 20.04
[20:34] <tomreyn> Guest9167: this should make them smaller:   echo COMPRESS=xz | sudo tee /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/compress && sudo update-initramfs -k all -c
[20:34] <InPhase> Guest9167: Something is amiss.  You say you are upgrading to 22.04, but your /boot has only 22.04 kernels.
[20:35] <InPhase> Guest9167: Did you check the wrong system?  Or is something else going wrong here?
[20:37] <ravage> InPhase: https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04
[20:37] <Guest9167> InPhase I am checking my PC /boot partition
[20:37] <InPhase> ravage: Ah.  Thanks.
[20:38] <coconut> Are there known problems with the firmware upgrader of gnome these days?
[20:38] <InPhase> Guest9167: Nevermind.  I didn't check that security release.  (And don't have any 20.04 systems anymore.)
[20:38] <Guest9167> Could I just delete the old files?
[20:39] <ravage> Guest9167, did you try what tomreyn suggested?
[20:39] <Guest9167> Just delete this: vmlinuz-5.15.0-43-generic and initrd.img-5.15.0-43-generic
[20:39] <Guest9167> No I did not do the compression
[20:40] <arraybolt3[m]> Guest9167: That is not how you uninstall a kernel.
[20:40] <ravage> then try that first before you start deleting stuff
[20:40] <ravage> and if you want to remove a kernel do it the right way with apt
[20:40] <karol_> hi
[20:40] <karol_> how to update 22.04 lts to rolling release?
[20:40] <ravage> there is no Ubuntu rolling release
[20:40] <Guest9167> ravage: how do I do it with apt?
[20:40] <leftyfb> karol_: ubuntu is not a rolling release distro
[20:41] <ravage> Guest9167, something like "dpkg -l|grep 5.15.0-43" should show you all packages related to that kernel
[20:41] <ravage> remove them with apt remove
[20:41] <karol_> and what to do to keep the packages always the newest?
[20:41] <karol_> kernel included
[20:42] <leftyfb> karol_: sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade
[20:42] <leftyfb> !latest | karol_
[20:42] <ravage> !latest | karol_
[20:42] <ravage> hmm
[20:42] <ravage> there was some command for that
[20:42] <karol_> tu guys
[20:42] <tomreyn> ravage: your request was ignored since lefty triggered the same second before
[20:43] <ravage> oh i did miss that completely
[20:43] <arraybolt3[m]> karol_: The closest thing Ubuntu has to a rolling release is the Development Release, but it is **not** intended for production use.
[20:43] <ravage> nerver mind :)
[20:43] <karol_> arraybolt3[m], thx
[20:43] <leftyfb> arraybolt3[m]: that doesn't act like a rolling release
[20:43] <ravage> it acts as a timebomb :D
[20:44] <arraybolt3[m]> leftyfb: Well it sorta does (guiverc runs his system as one).
[20:44] <leftyfb> arraybolt3[m]: all releases of ubuntu require you to go through the do-release-upgrade process which is not the same as a rolling release where you just continue to upgrade packages and you'll always have the latest
[20:44] <InPhase> karol_: If you are asking about non-lts releases, there is a /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades config file that has an "lts" that you can switch to "normal".
[20:44] <arraybolt3[m]> leftyfb: Yeah but if you do a do-release-upgrade to the latest development release when you were just on a development release, it works somewhat like a rolling release.
[20:45] <arraybolt3[m]> You "roll" while it's in development, then "freeze" when the final release hits, but a do-release-upgrade just after the "freeze" will essentially tell your system to keep rolling.
[20:45] <leftyfb> arraybolt3[m]: the point of a rolling release is you don't have to concern yourself with updating releases. It just happens as part of regular updates
[20:45] <karol_> InPhase, but as i know, there is no newer version than 22.04 now
[20:45] <karol_> so lts is the newsest
[20:45] <InPhase> karol_: That is correct.  It would kick in this October.
[20:46] <arraybolt3[m]> And I think there's even a way to tweak /etc/apt/sources.list to make it so that the do-release-upgrade is never necessary, but we've entered #ubuntu-discuss land at this point.
[20:46] <leftyfb> arraybolt3[m]: nope, that isn't a thing
[20:46] <leftyfb> well
[20:47] <leftyfb> it will attempt to update packages to whatever release you put into sources, but it skips over all the checks and balances that d-r-u does
[20:47] <leftyfb> which isn't recommended
[20:47] <arraybolt3[m]> leftyfb: You don't just put "devel" in where "jammy" or whatever usually goes? Also see https://github.com/wimpysworld/rolling-rhino
[20:47] <leftyfb> also, still not the same as a rolling release
[20:47] <InPhase> karol_: And yes, it's correct that lts is the thing for production use or users who just want reliability.  But it's perfectly reasonable to stay on normal for personal use if you're looking for cutting edge features and willing to learn and deal with issues that might come at a slightly higher rate.
[20:48] <arraybolt3[m]> leftyfb: Well it's still the closest Ubuntu gets to a rolling release. I'm well aware that the way Ubuntu works isn't really rolling-release compatible, but if you absolutely have to try and fit an Ubuntu peg in a rolling hole, that's the closest you'll get even if it's not a good match.
[20:48] <leftyfb> arraybolt3[m]: no, you change jammy to kinetic
[20:48] <ravage> well. anything else than a supported release is off topic here anyway. so lets move on or move the conversation
[20:48] <Linux> Hello, how can I make Ubuntu installer be served over LAN to install on another machine?
[20:48] <karol_> so u recomend to update in october
[20:48] <InPhase> karol_: I used to run on normal regularly, and it was not really that bad if you are comfortable dealing with some bugs here and there.  Somebody needs to be riding that edge and testing things.  :)
[20:48] <Linux> Or maybe just boot live ubuntu 22 from over the network
[20:48]  * arraybolt3[m] switches to -discuss
[20:49] <leftyfb> Linux: PXE
[20:49] <Linux> Oh that hasn't changed, still the same bootp tftp pxe stuff?
[20:49] <infinitylinux999> anyone here use Rolling Rhino? I use the LTS releases, but I'm curious about Rolling Rhino
[20:49] <leftyfb> karol_: I don't. I recommend sticking with 22.04 which is an LTS release where you get 5 years of support as opposed to 9 months
[20:49] <leftyfb> !ot | infinitylinux999
[20:49] <Linux> https://linuxhint.com/pxe_boot_ubuntu_server/ I found this
[20:49] <karol_> oh, thx for advice
[20:50] <Linux> Can you peek this over and see if it's okay?
[20:50] <Linux> Nothing dangerous
[20:50] <ravage> Linux, https://www.molnar-peter.hu/en/ubuntu-jammy-netinstall-pxe.html
[20:50] <InPhase> leftyfb: There are different use cases for Linux.  Not everyone needs or prefers the stability of lts.  It really depends on what you're using a system for, and your capacity to deal with things.
[20:50] <leftyfb> Linux: there's lots of tutorials for PXE. You'll have to pick one and try it out
[20:50] <Guest9167> ravage: alright I removed the old kernel. Now I have more space. Now I will try the update
[20:51] <Linux> Well I'm not wanting to install really
[20:51] <ravage> Guest9167, good luck. let us know if you run into any problems or report succeess :)
[20:51] <leftyfb> InPhase: they asked for a recommendation. I gave my recommendation which happens to be the same recommendation that is given here
[20:51] <Linux> But I want to serve up a ubuntu 22 live cd over the network, so people can boot from it over LAN and use the live cd without usb etc.
[20:51] <Linux> That way anyone on my LAN can boot any machine with Ubuntu without using a usb
[20:52] <Linux> If they want to install it later, they can.
[20:52] <leftyfb> Linux: yes, there are plenty of tutorials online to do that
[20:52] <Linux> Ok awesome
[20:52] <ravage> Linux, maybe have a look at https://netboot.xyz/ for a more general netboot thing
[20:52] <Linux> Ok
[20:52] <Guest9167> ravage: I have to restart first. So bye. I will tell you if everything worked or not.
[20:53] <ravage> see ya :)
[20:53] <tomreyn> Guest9167: the release upgrade may succeed now (it probably will), but the underlying issue (too small /boot for standard initrd's with most modules and standard compression) will remain, and you'll be in the same situation again.
[20:53] <Linux> Yeah, that's cool. They can boot into diff number of linux distro and try them out
[20:53] <Linux> If that's how I think it does
[20:53] <Linux> Reading now
[20:53] <ravage> Linux, exactly :)
[20:53] <leftyfb> Linux: good luck
[20:54] <Linux> This is a better solution, as you'd need multiple USBs, one for each machine and you can't plug it out and boot another, and buying all kinds of USB and keeping track of them and updating each's ISO and grub2 menu's will be a hassle. Netboot idea is better
[20:54] <enigma9o7[m]> @infinity I have a rolling rhino machine
[20:54] <michael_> how doo I reachh my windows netwrok
[20:55] <Linux> michael_: https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-and-configure-samba#1-overview
[20:55] <michael_> thanks
[20:55] <Linux> Just install the samba package, create share in smb.conf, set your security to user, use smbpasswd to make a password, and voila
[20:56] <Linux> Or you can try security=share
[20:56] <ravage> the default ubuntu installation should be able to access samba shares. you can access them with your Files application
[20:56] <Linux> KDE and Gnome I think have ways to mount smb shares
[20:56] <ravage> [+] Other Locations -> Windows Network
[20:56] <Linux> I use Ubuntu 22 but I don't use their GUI
[20:56] <Linux> I use a different smaller window manager
[20:57] <leftyfb> michael_: click on "other locations" in your file manager
[20:57] <leftyfb> Linux: none of that is necessary
[20:58] <Linux> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently what about this?
[20:58] <leftyfb> Linux: everything you suggest is a method of sharing smb/cifs shares TO Windows and other clients. Not their Ubuntu client reaching existing Windows shares
[20:58] <Linux> I think the gnome/kde samba mount/access options don't have a custom mount point
[20:58] <ravage> that was not the question
[20:59] <leftyfb> Linux: they didn't specify a custom mount point as a requirement
[20:59] <Linux> Oh I went the other way around
[20:59] <Linux> So for ubuntu 22 you don't need to install samba to access windows share?
[21:00] <leftyfb> !yy.mm | Linux
[21:00] <leftyfb> Linux: no, you do not
[21:00] <Linux> I understand. but .10 isn't out yet.
[21:00] <Linux> When .10 comes out, I can specify .04 or .10
[21:00] <leftyfb> Linux: 22.04 is the latest release
[21:00] <Linux> Until then, it's understood that ubuntu 22 means 22.04. Once 22.10 comes out, we can specify
[21:00] <Linux> Unless I'm wrong.
[21:01] <leftyfb> Linux: the next version of ubuntu starts development right after the latest is released. So there will always be a next release available (22.10)
[21:01] <Linux> Oh
[21:01] <leftyfb> Linux: you talked about being precise earlier
[21:01] <Linux> Ok then
[21:01] <Linux> Yes, thanks for the reminder then
[21:02] <Linux> It's easy to be imprecise and we need one another to keep each other on point.
[21:02] <Linux> Good stuff.
[22:01] <guzzlefry> Is there something like the `time` command that can also record peak ram usage?
[22:03] <sarnold> guzzlefry: /usr/bin/time ?
[22:07] <ravage> i think he means a command that outputs the peak ram usage after the command end
[22:07] <ravage> like time does with cpu time
[22:08] <ravage> i dont know any tool that does that
[22:10] <ravage> heh. ok it is time. sorry sarnold :D
[22:10] <ravage> i never used those format outputs
[22:11] <sarnold> ravage: the shell builtin time is nice and quick and easy but the command time gives way more details :)
[22:12] <ravage> guzzlefry, /usr/bin/time -f '%M' find /usr/bin
[22:12] <ravage> just as a quick example. see the manpage. thats what i did now too :)
[22:16] <Linux> Hello
[22:16] <Linux> How may I enable resume/hibernate in Ubuntu 22.04?
[22:16] <Linux> I'm trying to figure out
[22:18] <Linux> I run into this problem: they say get the uuid of the swap from the fstab. But I don't have a swap partition with uuid. Iuse a /swapfile instead
[22:20] <DynamiteDan> Linux, you need to have space to store memory contents and when shutting down you there is the Suspend option
[22:20] <DynamiteDan> ops
[22:20] <Linux> I have created a btrfs subvolume at /swap
[22:20] <DynamiteDan> Linux, you need to have space to store memory contents and when shutting down you have there the Suspend option
[22:20] <DynamiteDan> it is not swap
[22:20] <DynamiteDan> it in a diferent file
[22:20] <Linux> I can create a 64GB file for hibernate as I have 64 gb RAM
[22:21] <DynamiteDan> the system creates for you
[22:22] <DynamiteDan> just have the space
[23:05] <Guest5395> tomreyn the update worked. Thanks for the help.
[23:08] <tomreyn> Guest5395: very well. :)
 Guest9167: the release upgrade may succeed now (it probably will), but the underlying issue (too small /boot for standard initrd's with most modules and standard compression) will remain, and you'll be in the same situation again.
[23:09] <tomreyn> Guest5395: ^ not sure you saw this previously
[23:33] <agwentworth> Hi folks! How can I run a script as soon as I login to the desktop? I would like to apply my XModMap settings. Systemd service doesn't work since it triggers after wake when xmodmap doesn't have a "display"
[23:34] <Eickmeyer[m]> agwentworth: Make a .desktop file, similar to what you would find in /usr/share/applications, have it point to your script, and place it in ~/.config/autostart
[23:35] <Eickmeyer[m]> The Exec= line of the .desktop file specifically.
[23:38] <agwentworth> Eickmeyer[m], that seems to only apply on startup, but doesn't apply if the computer goes to sleep and wakes. I am applying xmodmap settings on boot OK, it just gets unset after sleep
[23:39] <sarnold> ~/.config/autostart should apply on login to the desktop, nothing to do with starting or suspending
[23:39] <oerheks> that is a valid way, or the old way store them in ~/.Xmodmap, then  echo xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap >> ~/.bashrc
[23:39] <sarnold> don't do that ^^ :) that'll swap your keys around every time you open a terminal
[23:40] <oerheks> oh
[23:40] <sarnold> and if you ssh in, it'll run it even when there's no X ..
[23:40] <oerheks> no, you don't want that indeed
[23:40] <sarnold> the worst thing is, it'll *look* like it worked when you're testing it, but then it'll drive you insane :)
[23:40] <agwentworth> hmmm doesn't seem to work. I think it doesn't like the $DISPLAY var after wake
[23:41] <sarnold> agwentworth: so, the thing is (a) I wouldn't expect X to forget your settings across sleep (b) I wouldn't expect your DISPLAY to suddenly not be set ..
[23:41] <sarnold> agwentworth: maybe you've got something already set up on suspend or resume that's breaking things?
[23:42] <sarnold> granted, I haven't tried suspending a machine in ages
[23:42] <Eickmeyer[m]> agwentworth: you might be able to do something by placing a script in /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d and have a "case $1 in hybernate|suspend)" your data here ";; resume | thaw)" your data here " ;; esac" or somethin g to that effect.
[23:45] <agwentworth> hmmm Eickmeyer[m] do you know how I can check the logs of the script running there? I tried this and it didn't work
[23:46] <agwentworth> I see /usr/bin/xmodmap:  unable to open display ''
[23:46] <agwentworth> on a systemd unit with After=sleep.target :(
[23:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> agwentworth: Then it might not work as it might not have access to the display as it probably runs as root. I don't know any way to do it as the user.
[23:47] <agwentworth> the [Service] section has User=Allen in it :D in the .service file
[23:48] <agwentworth> but anywho thank yall so much for taking a stab at this. I will continue to poke around. Seriously, I appreciate yall's input
[23:49] <Eickmeyer[m]> Oh, you might have to make a user systemd service, do you know how to do that?
[23:51] <agwentworth> ah no I don't Eickmeyer[m]
[23:56] <agwentworth> ah I found it. gotcha, this looks good Eick. Thank you!
[23:56] <sarnold> I don't know if I'd expect a user server to have access to the DISPLAY or XAUTHORITY variables..
[23:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> sarnold: It's worth a shot.
[23:56] <sarnold> yeah
[23:56] <sarnold> but I still suspect an earlier effort to do somethign has caused more problems than it's solved
[23:57] <Eickmeyer[m]> At least, that's how pulseaudio.x11 and pipewire both work.
[23:57] <Eickmeyer[m]> sarnold: That's fair.


[03:37] <logical123> Anyone willing to help a scripting noob?
[03:39] <logical123> nvm
[05:22] <jo-erlend> will xubuntu natty use xfce 4.8?
[07:07] <msk8> hey
[07:12] <msk8> sup
[07:45] <hsaliak> hello, will there be any xfce 4.8 backport for maverick?
[12:34] <knome> Sysi, hmm...
[12:35] <Sysi> i'm innocent |o|
[12:35] <knome> Sysi, where have you been kid?
[12:37] <Sysi> "mental issues" :P
[12:37] <knome> aha
[12:37] <Sysi> not about girl :/
[12:37] <knome> hope you're feeling better now
[12:38] <Sysi> two weeks and final exams left at school
[12:46] <knome> mmh
[13:00] <waldosworld> wheres
[13:01] <waldosworld> i'm trying to merge top panel with bottom panel, I can't find internet icon, battery icon, know how I can add it?
[13:02] <knome> waldosworld, try "notification area"
[13:03] <waldosworld> thanks but thats not it
[13:04] <waldosworld> that's for programs that are running, like firefox symbol if browser is open
[13:04] <knome> no, that's "task list"
[13:05] <waldosworld> well I've added notification area, and the internet and battery level symbols appear
[13:05] <waldosworld> didn't*
[13:06] <waldosworld> doesn't look like u can drag em to the bottom panel either
[13:06] <knome> that should be the item you want to add
[13:07] <waldosworld> perhaps because it's still running in top panel it's not showing in bottom panel?
[13:07] <waldosworld> I'll remove the top panel and see what happens
[13:10] <waldosworld> ya that works, had to re add though
[13:10] <waldosworld> thanks :)
[18:48] <mark76> I see someone's made a PPA for 4.8
[18:48] <mark76> But only if you have Lucid :(
[18:49]  * mark76 wants to play with 4.8
[18:49] <Sysi> good to support LTS
[18:50] <charlie-tca> Natty has it
[18:50] <mark76> Bah humbug :p
[18:50] <mark76> Maverick doesn't
[18:50] <charlie-tca> Maybe after we get it all working, we can backport it to maverick
[18:52] <mark76> That's be cool :)
[19:05] <maxamillion> cody-somerville: ping - I apparently can't speak in #xfce-dev without voice so I thought I'd ping you :D .... are there dev docs for 4.8 yet?
[19:05] <maxamillion> cody-somerville: many thanks! :D
[20:10] <logical123> Will installing Xubuntu make a wireless lan card (thinkpad t60) work, because from research, I read that the intel pro wifi card is supported by the kernel
[20:11] <Sysi> intel cards are well supported, if hw is okay, should work
[20:11] <logical123> hw?
[20:11] <Sysi> hardware
[20:11] <logical123> ah
[20:11] <logical123> well it works in windows
[20:12] <logical123> is there a way to see if it's being recognized at all?
[20:12] <Sysi> you can test on livecd
[20:13] <logical123> using "lspci | grep 802.11" ?
[20:17] <logical123> Okay, lspci shows the card as the Intel PRO 3945ABG, so it knows it's there, but doesn't want to let me to use it.
[20:19] <logical123> anyone?
[22:22] <ShootEmUp> Hi everyone
[22:29] <jujido> hi, can anyone tell me how to mount my xubuntu partition in bt 4? commented out 1 line too much in /etc/pam.d/common-auth, now i can't login in xubuntu... any chance to fix this, or can i just make a fresh install?
[22:29] <ShootEmUp> I think a fresh install is best for you
[22:29] <charlie-tca> restart
[22:29] <charlie-tca> use the grub menu to go to recovery mode, and you can fix it from root
[22:30] <jujido> ok lets try it... thx so far!
[22:30] <charlie-tca> saves reinstalling
[23:45] <likemindead> Will Xubuntu 11.04 be rocking the new Xfce 4.8?
[23:45] <charlie-tca> yes
[23:46] <likemindead> w00t
[23:46] <charlie-tca> It's already in Natty
[23:55] <likemindead> I got a new 7200 RPM 500 GB SATA hdd for my laptop. Running Linux Mint 10 at the moment. But definitely switching back to Xubuntu as soon as 11.04 Beta drops. :D
[23:55] <charlie-tca> very nice
[23:57] <likemindead> My wife bought it via NewEgg on Black Friday for $49 shipped! It's a Seagate Momentus. ^__^


[23:00] <huwshimi> Morning
[23:04] <rick_h_> morning huwshimi
[23:05] <huwshimi> rick_h_: Hey. Had a good weekend?
[23:05] <rick_h_> huwshimi: yea, wife was working a lot so kind of crazy
[23:05] <rick_h_> but all good
[23:06] <huwshimi> :)
[23:14] <huwshimi> What's happened to our checkboxes (true/false labels)?
[23:35] <rick_h_> that's the new design
[23:36] <rick_h_> huwshimi: see https://codereview.appspot.com/13516044/ with links to the design images/etc
[23:40] <huwshimi> Seems like a strange design. I guess they might be trying to expose what the yaml has or something?
[23:41] <rick_h_> yea, the wanted to keep the two line format of the other fields and needed to fill the negative space imo


[09:58] <amitsharma928> Hi Folks, in Ubuntu 16.04 when I Right click..."Move to Trash" is not shown. I can't delete files using Delete key. Though <Shift> + <Delete> is working


[01:32] <sethj> How far alone is the email app?
[01:34] <sethj> Does it support MS exchange?
[01:41] <AskUbuntu> Does Ubuntu Phone connect natively to Exchange? | http://askubuntu.com/q/339896
[01:42] <sethj> oh lol
[01:59] <discopig> hi
[04:05] <AskUbuntu> Phablet-tools install | http://askubuntu.com/q/339915
[04:43] <RobbyF> kind of a shot in the dark here but anyone awake?
[04:44] <RobbyF> the gmail app is essentially a tabbed browser right? can some techy person make a google plus version of it :)
[04:58] <OrokuSaki> https://github.com/jshafer817/UbuntuTouch for myself.. and others.. but more for me
[04:58] <OrokuSaki> Have to add notes
[05:54] <OrokuSaki> Notes added. https://github.com/jshafer817/UbuntuTouch
[06:44] <just> hello
[06:44] <Guest74442> ?
[06:45] <Guest74442> help..
[06:45] <Guest74442> for installing
[06:45] <Guest74442> ubuntu on tablet
[06:45] <Guest74442> slept?
[06:45] <smartboyhw> Guest74442, what happened?
[06:45] <smartboyhw> I mean, what's your problem on installing?
[06:45] <Guest74442> i wanna install ubuntu on my tablet
[06:46] <smartboyhw> Guest74442, yes
[06:46] <Guest74442> from starting..
[06:46] <smartboyhw> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[06:46] <Guest74442> see i have my tab..
[06:46] <Guest74442>  7" ics
[06:46] <Guest74442> is it possible to mod it?
[06:46] <Guest74442> dual core..
[06:46] <Guest74442> 512
[06:47] <Guest74442> 4gb internal
[06:54] <Guest74442> ?
[06:54] <Guest74442> are u hre to help
[06:55] <Guest74442> then hepl me man
[06:55] <Guest74442> i cant install it on my desktop
[06:57] <Guest74442> ?
[06:57] <Guest74442> hey
[07:00] <balachmar> Guest74442: This channel is about Ubuntu Touch, to be installed on mobile devices, what do you want to install on your desktop?
[07:06] <OrokuSaki> lol
[07:06] <OrokuSaki> HELP ME!!!!
[07:06] <OrokuSaki> I will pound sand if you don't!!!
[07:07] <auronandace> poor sand
[07:07] <OrokuSaki> hehe
[07:07] <balachmar> lol
[07:07] <OrokuSaki> hows it going balachmar
[07:07] <OrokuSaki> did you get the kernel config message?
[07:07] <balachmar> I always like to give them the friendly response :)
[07:08] <OrokuSaki> I hate that!
[07:08] <OrokuSaki> Happy Holidays.. says the walmart greeter with a smile.. and I yell.. Merry Fucking Christmas you wench!
[07:09] <balachmar> No such experiences here in Europe I can guarantee you that :)
[07:09] <OrokuSaki> =)
[07:09] <balachmar> When I was in the US, I thought it was weird that the waiter would introduce himself....
[07:09] <OrokuSaki> It's really bad when they go on and on about the restaurant your at
[07:10] <balachmar> But about UT, if I understood you correctly, I just changed a file, where I should have run some config thing on the kernel. But you lost me on how I could actually do it :)
[07:10] <balachmar> So help me, or I will pound sand! :P
[07:10] <OrokuSaki> okay do this
[07:11] <OrokuSaki> mkdir ~/kernel
[07:11] <OrokuSaki> copy your kernel source into that folder
[07:11] <OrokuSaki> what is the name of your defconfig file?
[07:11] <OrokuSaki> mine is cyanogenmod_tenderloin_defconfig
[07:11] <OrokuSaki> so what I do is this
[07:12] <OrokuSaki> cd ~/kernel
[07:12] <balachmar> cyanogenmod_galaxysmtd_defconfig
[07:12] <OrokuSaki> cp arch/arm/configs/cyanogenmod_tenderloin_defconfig ~/kernel/.config
[07:12] <balachmar> I guess you want me to copy the entire source tree, including samsung etc, correct?
[07:12] <OrokuSaki> or cp ~/kernel/arch/arm/configs/cyanogenmod_tenderloin_defconfig ~/kernel/.config
[07:12] <OrokuSaki> then since your in ~/kernel
[07:13] <OrokuSaki> pico .config (make all your changes)
[07:13] <OrokuSaki> make oldconfig ARCH=arm
[07:13] <balachmar> Should I now revert my changes to that file?
[07:13] <OrokuSaki> this will ask yes or no questions.. answer them
[07:13] <OrokuSaki> yes you should
[07:13] <OrokuSaki> well... yeah
[07:13] <balachmar> ok :)
[07:13] <OrokuSaki> probably not actually
[07:13] <OrokuSaki> you don't have to
[07:14] <balachmar> ok, because it will overwrite it... yes?
[07:14] <balachmar> I amtrying to understand the proces
[07:14] <OrokuSaki> anways.. when you run make oldconfig ARCH=arm hang on well get back to that.. you then answer yes or no questions
[07:14] <balachmar> ok
[07:15] <OrokuSaki> because you changed the .config file, this now creates new yes or no questions for the kernel that are not present in the .config file but need to be
[07:15] <OrokuSaki> so running make oldconfig ARCH=arm will answer the questions
[07:15] <OrokuSaki> then you do this
[07:15] <OrokuSaki> cp .config arch/arm/configs/cyanogenmod_tenderloin_defconfig
[07:15] <OrokuSaki> or just copy it back to the Ubuntu Touch directory
[07:16] <OrokuSaki> the kernel source MUST be clean so run make mrproper if all else fails
[07:16] <OrokuSaki> Now back to if you should use your current defconfig as your .config file
[07:16] <OrokuSaki> Shouldn't hurt.. you made changes to the config file so.. even if you used a stock defconfig file... you will still have to recreate your changes
[07:17] <OrokuSaki> Make sense?
[07:17] <balachmar> yes
[07:18] <OrokuSaki> I cannot use make menuconfig on my kernel source.. so we make the changes manually in the .config file and then run make oldconfig
[07:18] <OrokuSaki> Or that is what I have been doing
[07:18] <OrokuSaki> Sweet
[07:18] <balachmar> ok, I need to type this in the terminal?: "make oldconfig ARCH=arm"
[07:19] <OrokuSaki> smoke break.. I need to quit.. working on camera.. I think mine is being detected as front facing when I need bak
[07:19] <OrokuSaki> yep
[07:19] <balachmar> Because that doesn't work
[07:19] <OrokuSaki> what happens?
[07:19] <balachmar> make: *** No rule to make target `oldconfig'.  Stop.
[07:19] <OrokuSaki> that means the .config file is not in the root of your kernel source
[07:19] <OrokuSaki> it is hidden when it's called .config
[07:19] <OrokuSaki> you can see it with ls -a
[07:19] <OrokuSaki> you may know that, you may not
[07:19] <balachmar> I know :)
[07:20] <OrokuSaki> =)
[07:20] <OrokuSaki> or try make ARCH=arm oldconfig
[07:20] <balachmar> I think I shouldn't have copied the tree, but just the contents of /kernel/samsung/aries to ~/kernel
[07:20] <OrokuSaki> yes!
[07:20] <balachmar> :)
[07:20] <OrokuSaki> smoke break!
[07:20] <balachmar> (I did ask :P )
[07:20] <balachmar> sure
[07:21] <balachmar> ok, now it is doing something
[07:21] <balachmar> and asking questions
[07:22] <balachmar> ok, nut how do I know the answers to all of those questions?
[07:22] <balachmar> nut = but
[07:24] <OrokuSaki> You don't hang on
[07:24] <OrokuSaki> I looked at a mako config file that was hard to find
[07:26] <OrokuSaki> http://pastebin.com/PuyL1qBe Here it is
[07:26] <OrokuSaki> search that paste for CONFIG_ whatever and see what the answer is
[07:26] <balachmar> ok, thanks!
[07:27] <OrokuSaki> config-3.4.0-3-mako
[07:27] <OrokuSaki> that was the filename
[07:27] <OrokuSaki> you brunch mako and then look at the config file
[07:27] <OrokuSaki> NP
[07:28] <OrokuSaki> Oh yeah... you know the proc patch on the ubuntu porting guide?
[07:28] <OrokuSaki> you don't need that anymore.. that was for quantal
[07:28] <OrokuSaki> Saucy uses LXC container and so this is not required.. I guess that is the reason
[07:29] <balachmar> the procfs patch?
[07:29] <OrokuSaki> and your kernel cmdline needs to be console=tty1
[07:29] <OrokuSaki> will append that console=tty1 to the rest of the cmdline
[07:29] <balachmar> because I did perform that change...
[07:30] <OrokuSaki> You will need to enable apparmor
[07:30] <OrokuSaki> undo it.. it is no longer required
[07:30] <OrokuSaki> I felt the same way.. the ubuntu porting guide is outdated
[07:30] <OrokuSaki> very outdated
[07:30] <balachmar> bummer
[07:30] <OrokuSaki> I think its because saucy is not really.. finished.. as is changing.. and so why right a guide to something your changing?
[07:31] <balachmar> not set is the same as answering no to a question?
[07:31] <OrokuSaki> no this was editing a .c file in the kernel source
[07:31] <balachmar> the last question was about the kernel config bit :)
[07:31] <balachmar> doing two things at the same time :)
[07:31] <OrokuSaki> a/fs/proc/array.c that file
[07:32] <OrokuSaki> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting
[07:32] <OrokuSaki> don't do that
[07:32] <OrokuSaki> not necessary
[07:32] <OrokuSaki> What kernel do you have? 2.x or 3.x?
[07:32] <balachmar> 3.x
[07:32] <balachmar> running 13.04
[07:33] <OrokuSaki> Good.. look at mako's security and apparmor settings..
[07:33] <OrokuSaki> if you want to know if your cmdline change took affect when the kernel boots
[07:33] <OrokuSaki> cat /proc/cmdline
[07:33] <OrokuSaki> I had to tell my config to force the cmdline or something
[07:33] <OrokuSaki> there was a y n for that
[07:34] <balachmar> ok, patch undone
[07:34] <OrokuSaki> sweet
[07:35] <balachmar> ok, but when in the config of mako it says unset, is that answering no to the question?
[07:35] <jjohansen> OrokuSaki: git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-saucy.git has the apparmor patches broken out for the different kernel versions. Which might help porting to a new kernel
[07:35] <balachmar> And sometimes there is a "" as a value in the config file, that is just pressing return on that question?
[07:35] <OrokuSaki> @jjohansen Oh yeah.. thanks!
[07:36] <OrokuSaki> my kernel is 2.6.35 so I don't have apparmor and had to do apparmor=0 for my cmdline
[07:36] <OrokuSaki> https://raw.github.com/jshafer817/UbuntuTouch/master/Source%20to%20compile/kernel/hp/tenderloin/arch/arm/configs/cyanogenmod_tenderloin_defconfig
[07:37] <OrokuSaki> I remember enabling these... CONFIG_FAIR_GROUP_SCHED=y CONFIG_RT_GROUP_SCHED=y
[07:38] <jjohansen> OrokuSaki: Hrrmm, the apparmor3 patches have only been backported as far as 3.0 atm
[07:38] <OrokuSaki> Yep... I will never get apparmor... =) Or fanotify
[07:45] <jjohansen> OrokuSaki: hrmm a 2.6.35 apparmor is possible and may happen, just not yet
[07:46] <OrokuSaki> sweet.. my friend did it for 2.6.35 but he also backported KGSL.. and I cannot use both.. I tried his patches.. and they appled.. but.. wouldn't boot
[07:46] <OrokuSaki> his backporting kgsl from 3.0.8 from webos kernel... broke the anroid egl driver
[07:46] <OrokuSaki> but works great on freedreno
[07:47] <OrokuSaki> Freedreno is an open source gpu driver for qualcomm adreno gpu's
[07:47] <OrokuSaki> I use it on Ubuntu 13.04
[07:47] <OrokuSaki> non touch
[07:47] <jjohansen> ah, right
[07:47] <OrokuSaki> That is where I was going
[07:47] <OrokuSaki> =)
[07:48] <OrokuSaki> Intereted to see Mir on Desktop with Nvidia
[07:48] <OrokuSaki> Or Mir on Desktop version of ubuntu but on msm8660 as the gpu =)
[07:48] <OrokuSaki> So I can run mono apps
[07:49] <OrokuSaki> My touchpad triple boots webos, Ubuntu 13.04, and Ubuntu Touch =)
[07:50] <OrokuSaki> I should not have brewed coffee
[07:51] <jjohansen> right, well the current apparmor3 backports have been done so that they don't change the kernel abi, everything is internal to the apparmor module, I think that can be done back to 2.6.35 but I don't have time to do it atm
[07:51] <OrokuSaki> Oh wow.. you do that? Sweet! Well... uhh..  that would be neat
[07:52] <OrokuSaki> What about fanotify?
[07:52] <OrokuSaki> Is that really important?
[07:55] <OrokuSaki> if (read_mode_from_config("preview_mode") == 1) {         info->facing = CAMERA_FACING_BACK;     }
[07:55] <OrokuSaki> I notice when I run the camera app.. I believe it says preview mode is 2 or a mode is 2
[07:56] <OrokuSaki> so maybe that is causing ubuntu to say this camera is not facing back
[07:56] <OrokuSaki> and then causing the image to mirror, and rotate 90 degrees
[07:56] <OrokuSaki> dmesg says that mode 2 something 5
[07:57] <jjohansen> fanotify is a lot harder and would require changing the abi to backport it
[07:57] <OrokuSaki> yeah.. I saw that
[07:57] <jjohansen> I don't see it happening
[07:57] <OrokuSaki> I tried it one time.. and I suck at backporting... I realized you were successful, then it changes the android code that goes along with it
[07:57] <OrokuSaki> Which is why qualcomm updates the android code along with an updated kernel
[07:57] <OrokuSaki> something to do with ashmem or memory changes
[07:58] <OrokuSaki> at this point your more or less upgrading the kernel to 3.0.x and you might as well.. just.. use that kernel
[07:58] <OrokuSaki> right?
[07:58] <jjohansen> yeah ashmem, binder, wakelocks
[07:58] <OrokuSaki> yah
[07:58] <OrokuSaki> I remember posting somewhere.. this should be easy... NOT
[07:59] <OrokuSaki> greped for 3 days straight or something
[08:01] <jjohansen> ouch
[09:37] <AskUbuntu> I need help with my Ubuntu touch | http://askubuntu.com/q/339996
[10:19] <markusN00b> Hi, is there a way to access hardware with your app. (SDK)
[10:20] <markusN00b> Let's say I want to turn the light on/off
[12:30] <WebbyIT> popey, mhall119 , did you see that? http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge-reprise-developer-edition
[12:31] <popey> yes, reported it to indiegogo
[12:31] <WebbyIT> good
[12:42] <OrokuSaki> Anyone know if the camera app can take a 640x480 image and change the orientation, or does it not use overlay, etc?
[12:42] <OrokuSaki> I want to rotate 90 degrees
[12:43] <OrokuSaki> I have tried setting info->orientation = 90; info->orientation = 0; in my cameraHAL.cpp file
[14:25] <lauri> Hello, is Eoghan here? The dude who was planning to port Ubuntu Touch to Oppo Find 5?
[14:26] <paco664> good morning.. curious as to what version to install for a galaxy nexus "toro"
[14:36] <OrokuSaki> Anyone know how the camera-app gets the orientation?? grrr
[15:32] <RobbyF> Good Morning Ubuntu Touch friends
[15:55] <rathamst> how much space does a default installation of ubuntu touch take on mako?
[16:15] <AskUbuntu> How much space does a default installation of Ubuntu Touch take on mako? | http://askubuntu.com/q/340097
[17:23] <DrDangerousDave> Nexus 10 keyboard closes when key pressed - known bug?
[18:34] <RobbyF> the gmail app is essentially a tabbed browser right? can some techy person make a google plus version of it? :)
[18:40] <DrDangerousDave> Is there a terminal app I can install on Nexus 10 / manta ?
[18:43] <qdhfgfgh3gg1> Do skype,yahoo,other chat and social communication prog (facebook&twitter) spy 4 israel&usa???
[18:43] <qdhfgfgh3gg1> Do they record and analyse everything we type on the internet???
[18:43] <qdhfgfgh3gg1> هل تتجسس برامج الشات و التواصل الاجتماعى لاسرائيل و امريكا؟؟؟؟
[18:43] <qdhfgfgh3gg1> Do skype,yahoo,other chat and social communication prog(facebook&twitter) spy4israel&usa???
[18:43] <qdhfgfgh3gg1> Do they record and analyse everything we type on the internet???
[18:43] <qdhfgfgh3gg1> هل تتجسس برامج الشات و التواصل الاجتماعى لاسرائيل و امريكا؟؟؟؟
[18:43] <ahayzen-mobile> !ops
[18:44] <Codesmith> Hi, I've flashed ubuntu-touch onto my nexus 4, and I'm wondering if it is recomended to create and use another user besides the default phablet user?
[18:45] <deiu> Codesmith, you should at least change the default password
[18:49] <wellsb> Dang, still network issues on latest build, but this time wpa_supplicant isn't resolving them
[18:54] <abhi_> could someone please give me the link to the latest build for nexus 4 ?
[19:07] <wellsb> finally
[19:15] <pyrex> has anyone tried to install ubuntu on the nexus 7 2013
[19:19] <DrDangerousDave> Anybody out there using Touch on Nexus 10?
[19:26] <discopig> nope, just nexus 4
[19:27] <DrDangerousDave> How is it on Nexus 4? I get all kinds of app lockups and goofy screens on Nexus 10
[19:46] <NitroZZeLLo> Hi Guys! Need info of whom is working on the HTC One S in order to offer myself to help in porting Ubuntu Touch to that phone
[20:16] <petr> hey
[20:17] <Guest78151> someone who already installed the ubuntu touch
[20:19] <DrDangerousDave> Was that a question?
[20:57] <balachmar> OrokuSaki: wow man, many questions for the kernel config. Takes a while if you check everything with another config file... (Haven't been on it continuously, but I have been on it for a bit :) )
[21:23] <OrokuSaki> I have changed my cameraHAL.cpp to say both info->facing = CAMERA_FACING_FRONT;         info->orientation = 270; for all preview modes.. and no change if I change my camera to back or orientation, etc
[21:23] <ulr1ch> et le hack tu t'en sors ?
[21:24] <OrokuSaki> did I hack the sensors?
[21:28] <ulr1ch> (sorry, wrong channel)
[21:28] <OrokuSaki> =)
[23:49] <NYL> should i use flippedin instead of standard tutorial?


[02:14] <cmaloney> ugh
[10:38] <rick_h_> morning
[12:27] <cmaloney> good morning
[12:27] <cmaloney> rick_h_: JoDee says your pictures are lovely, but she said "bite me" re: the hashtags ;)
[12:27] <rick_h_> cmaloney: :)
[15:34] <dzho> jrwren: water, uh, finds a way
[20:36] <cmaloney> Just got back from Frankenmuth for the anniversary weekend.
[20:38] <jrwren> happy anniversary.
[20:38] <cmaloney> Thank you.
[20:38] <cmaloney> 12 years of JoDee putting up with me in wedlock.
[20:40] <mthx> Congrats! I'm at -1 month for that same statment.
[20:46] <brousch> cmaloney: It's a miracle you're both still alive. Congrats
[20:50] <cmaloney> Thank you. :)
[20:50] <cmaloney> brousch: no doubt.


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[16:10] <eylul> is there something we need to do from our end to make sure yakkety beta gets on tracker?
[16:11] <sakrecoer> i don't get it... http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/367/builds
[16:11] <sakrecoer> ah.. you too eylul
[16:11] <sakrecoer> haha
[16:11] <eylul> heh yeah
[16:11] <sakrecoer> i don't know. i asked in -release, but no one answers me...
[16:12] <eylul> *nods*
[16:12] <sakrecoer> flocculant: do you know what we are missing?
[16:12] <eylul> (we could also try Ross, if flocculant doesn't know. Not sure who else could potentially know)
[16:14] <eylul> sakrecoer: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/360/builds
[16:14] <eylul> it looks like everything that went to beta is today's build. ubuntu base is currently rebuilding, possibly we are after that?
[16:15] <sakrecoer> maybe...
[16:16] <sakrecoer> eylul: how do you see ubuntu base is reuilding?
[16:16] <sakrecoer> rebuilding even
[16:16] <eylul> it says (re-building) in parenthesis on daily
[16:16] <eylul> and ubuntu studio just begun rebuilding
[16:16]  * sakrecoer *faceplams*
[16:17] <sakrecoer> right...
[16:17] <sakrecoer> :D
[16:17] <sakrecoer> well... crossing fingers then...
[16:17] <eylul> *snorts*
[16:17] <eylul> it happens to best of us :)
[16:22] <Nicowe> Hi all
[16:24] <Nicowe> Is there a good soul to help me through the iso testing process ?
[16:28] <flocculant> sakrecoer: looks like no buildy again - 64bit failed ~2 minutes ago
[16:30] <flocculant> Nicowe: hi - generically iso testing is pretty much the same for any of the flavours - so a look at this I did for 'my' lot will at least give you a start http://wiki.xubuntu.org/qa/isotesting
[16:31] <flocculant> though at the moment it seems there are no studio isos on the tracker
[16:31] <eylul> hi Nicowe! and we are here if you have any particular questions.
[16:32] <eylul> flocculant thanks, is there anything we can do from our end to fix it?
[16:34] <eylul> huh... is it normal for a build to fail with no log at all?
[16:35] <sakrecoer> hi Nicowe ! :)
[16:35] <flocculant> eylul: no idea I'm afraid
[16:35] <sakrecoer> flocculant: oh snap...
[16:36] <sakrecoer> this time arround we got no eamil about it :/
[16:36] <eylul> sakrecoer we just did it seems
[16:36] <eylul> (literally just now) but its only 64bit one so far that failed, and no.. log?
[16:36] <flocculant> sakrecoer: there wouldn't be a 'you want to join in' mail - everyone is added in for it
[16:36] <Nicowe> flocculant: Thank you, this will be helpful !
[16:37] <flocculant> Nicowe: you're welcome :)
[16:38] <sakrecoer> flocculant: afair, usualy we get a mail sent to the devel list about failed ISO..
[16:38] <Nicowe> I think my first question is answered : the iso that should be tested is not avaible yet, right ?
[16:38] <sakrecoer> Nicowe: yes, that is right
[16:38] <sakrecoer> Nicowe: are you the nicoas i've been in touch with about this testing thing?
[16:39] <sakrecoer> *Nicolas even, sorry
[16:39] <sakrecoer> ah, here came the fail mail :D
[16:39] <Nicowe> sakrecoer: yes, the same :=
[16:39] <Nicowe> :)
[16:39] <sakrecoer> good to see you here Nicowe ! :)
[16:40] <sakrecoer> welcome!
[16:40] <Nicowe> Thanks, I followed your advice and here I am, trying to learn a few things !
[16:40] <flocculant> sakrecoer: oic - no idea about that - thought you were talking about iso's :p also it has 'just' failed, and do you get e-mail when it fails to build or later when the log bit is complete :)
[16:41] <sakrecoer> probably when the log bit is complete :)
[16:41] <sakrecoer> flocculant: ^
[16:41] <sakrecoer> i just got the mail that is...
[16:42] <flocculant> then not the log bit - that's not there yet :p
[16:42] <eylul> Nicowe you can probably start downloading the daily iso from 09/20 with zsync, when the new one builds, it will sync the differences, and will be a lot faster.
[16:43] <eylul> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/360/builds/131642/downloads
[16:43] <sakrecoer> true... the mail came empty..
[16:44] <sakrecoer> never seen that before though...
[16:44] <Nicowe> eylul: This is the daily build ? I am running this right now
[16:44] <Nicowe> I will try this zsync thing
[16:44] <eylul> yeah! (also it seems like the 32bit did build, and it is attempting again the 64bit so it might be a random accident)
[16:45] <sakrecoer> Nicowe: yes, and you can use a program called zsync to just download the changes instead of the entire iso
[16:45] <sakrecoer> eylul is full of great advices :)
[16:45] <eylul> basically nicowe it makes sure you don't download the whole 3GB again and again. :)
[16:45] <flocculant> definitely something awry there >  Started 7 hours ago  Finished 20 minutes ago (took 7 hours, 23 minutes, 58.5 seconds)
[16:46] <eylul> sakrecoer: :) just passing on what you guys taught me. ;)
[16:46] <flocculant> anyway - too many cooks etc
[16:46] <eylul> too many cooks?
[16:46] <flocculant> and I've got xubuntu to not worry about too much
[16:47] <flocculant> eylul: spoil the broth :)
[16:47] <sakrecoer> flocculant: thanks! :) that is very long indeed
[16:51] <Nicowe> So I should zsync the iso I have and then burn it again to install ?
[16:51] <eylul> Nicowe do you actually use DVD to install, or a usb?
[16:51] <Nicowe> I use DVD because I install on an external hard drive
[16:51] <eylul> if you do a dvd, I would download but wait before burning it because it looks like the iso is trying to rebuild right now
[16:52] <flocculant> Nicowe: you can 'always' zsync - if the iso has no changes it will tell you that and do nothing :)
[16:53] <Nicowe> Okay !
[16:57] <sakrecoer> Nicowe: you have tried with an usb already right?
[16:58] <sakrecoer> (asking because: better safe than sorry)
[16:58] <Nicowe> What do you mean ? burning the iso on a usb stick ?
[17:00] <eylul> Nicowe, you can also put the iso on an USB stick
[17:01] <eylul> as in boot from a usb and install that way, not all computers have a cd drive so..
[17:04] <Nicowe> Yes I have done that for other installs
[17:04] <Nicowe> but from what I've read you cannot do this and then install on an external drive
[17:05] <eylul> huh
[17:06] <Nicowe> not completely sure about that last assertion !
[17:06] <eylul> it is possible
[17:07] <eylul> I just haven't tried testing outside a VM yet, which reminds me, I need to get my act together and setup something to do just that
[18:27] <sakrecoer> i can't seemt to find a build log for the failed build..
[18:27] <sakrecoer> *seem
[18:28] <flocculant> which is odd in itself - which is why I think it's actually stuck somewhere/how
[19:05] <sakrecoer> hello chamois :)
[19:05] <chamois> Hello sakrecoer!
[20:22] <eylul> sakrecoer: we have a build
[20:34] <sakrecoer> \*/ <- mind blown and happy :)
[20:36] <sakrecoer> i'll test tomorrow though...
[20:40] <eylul> its not uploaded yet


[01:05] <teward> RoyK: running memtest86 right now, but I don't think there'll be anything failing, this thing's passed memtest in the past
[01:06] <teward> memtest86+ *
[01:10] <RoyK> good
[01:14] <teward> RoyK: so far, 41% of the tests are done, and it's passing them all.  I'm fairly sure it's not a memory or CPU problem, this happened on an 18.04 plain install too, kernels updated and then *wham* dead with panics on boot
[01:14] <teward> maybe i need to go yell at #ubuntu-kernel...
[01:15] <teward> (memtest also takes some time when the system as 24GB of RAM :| )
[01:33] <RoyK> teward: make sure you have netconsole running in case something happens
[01:37] <teward> RoyK: again, how do I enable netconsole when I can't even get into the system with any boot process?
[01:38] <teward> the unanswered question from before there remains
[01:38] <teward> literally the moment after Grub the system panics
[01:38] <teward> not enough time to get in to do anything
[01:38] <teward> same from LiveUSB
[01:42] <teward> RoyK: yeah, 100% memtest pass.  so unless you know how to enable netconsole before the system boots...
[01:43] <teward> ah there it is
[01:43] <teward> hmm i'll work on this tomrrow after work
[01:43] <teward> tired now :p
[01:45] <RoyK> teward: you'll need to reboot
[01:45] <teward> well that's a given
[01:46] <teward> but i'll deal with this tomorrow, CBA to set up a syslog receiver at the moment
[01:46] <teward> (and i'm dead tired and have to be up early so... bed time.)
[01:47] <RoyK> the only issue is that syslog won't send a panic
[04:01] <Checkmate> i've this problem with mod_evasive
[04:02] <Checkmate> everything work fine but if i refresh the url page i can see it and the forbidden message disappear
[04:28] <Checkmate> i've tryed mod_qos and mod_evasive nothing work good
[04:44] <tomreyn> Checkmate: mod_evasive can work ok if properly tuned. but it's kind of a last resort measure, it's much better to optimize the application / service configuration to cause less load (improve application source code, use caching, replace outdated software components by newer ones). alternatively, you can increase system resources and use load balancing, too.
[04:48] <Checkmate> @tomreyn i'm trying to stop multiple POST request
[04:48] <Checkmate> i've tryed all kind of things but seems not working
[04:49] <tomreyn> Checkmate: you said so some hours ago. if you're looking for assitence with this you'll need to provide details (but there may be better places to ask this, such as in #httpd if you use apache httpd, as 'mod_evasive' suggests)
[04:52] <tomreyn> there is also mod_security which can be an option if you cannot modify the application source.
[04:52] <Checkmate> MaxKeepAliveRequests not work with me too
[04:54] <tomreyn> Checkmate: maybe sztart by discussing the web application and versio which is under attack, the ubuntu version and web server you run there.
[04:56] <tomreyn> then discuss the path to the file which is being attacked, and how you can tell (logs). you can rewrite any ip addresses by 127.0.x.1 where you replace x by a different number (1-255) for every new ip address.
[05:00] <Checkmate> @tomreyn i'm under the latest version of Ubuntu getting attack at index.php
[05:00] <Checkmate> multiple post request
[05:01] <tomreyn> Checkmate: and index.php is part of which standard web application, or is it custom code? what do these requests look like?
[05:01] <tomreyn> the latest released version of ubuntu is 18.10. are you sure that'S the one you run? "lsb_release -ds" will tell.
[05:03] <Checkmate> @tomreyn yes apache2
[05:04] <tomreyn> this doesn't answer an of the questions i asked :)
[05:08] <Checkmate> ubuntu are you sure = yes  which standard web application = apache2
[05:08] <Checkmate> maybe i'm losing time here
[05:10] <tomreyn> apache2 is the package name of the Apache HTTPd web server, version 2.x. "index.php" suggests this is PHP code. this PHP code will be part of a web application such as workpress, drupal, typo3, or something you wrote yourself. i'm asking which one it is.
[05:10] <tomreyn> maybe i'm losing time here
[05:11] <Checkmate> yeah my bad its personnel php encoding
[05:13] <tomreyn> then my bet is that this application cariies out too many tasks before authentication is required, allowing anyone to keep the server busy.
[05:14] <tomreyn> you shoould change it so that those actions which cause increased server load are only available after authentication, or for a given set of source ip addresses.
[05:16] <Checkmate> i dont wanna use a database
[05:17] <Checkmate> i want to limit connection request for each ip
[05:17] <tomreyn> if you can share the source code, feel free to do so, i can take a quick look later, but this only makes sense if you can also provide more information on the POST requests which are sent. you can capture them using tcpdump, a proxy server, mod_dumpio (but be casreful there since it will drive up server load further).
[06:20] <lordievader> good morning
[07:45] <muhaha> Is possible to download signing key from keyserver with curl ?  instead of this apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 93C4A3FD7BB9C367 ?
[07:50] <TJ-> muhaha: it should be possible with gpg, using its --dry-run option *or* by setting an empty or null keyring so it doesn't write the retreived key into the trust store
[07:54] <muhaha> TJ-: like this? gpg --dry-run --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv 93C4A3FD7BB9C367
[07:55] <muhaha> I can not pass internet proxy. It has some kind of useragent whitelisting... curl user agent works, thats why I need to download it with curl directly...
[07:55] <muhaha> *trough
[07:58] <TJ-> muhaha: try using hkps://keyserver.ubuntu.com (uses TLS)
[07:58] <Skuggen> muhaha: Have you tried adding --keyserver-options http_proxy=$value?
[07:59] <muhaha> yes, it does not work
[07:59] <Skuggen> Ah
[07:59] <muhaha> like I said, I need to pass curl user agent to access internet
[08:46] <lucylu> Hi guys.. I installed a second WP site on my ubuntu server. On the second site I was able to get the WP install screen and istall it. However when I went to change the theme the site disconnected and I cant connect to it : ERR_conn_timed_out .. Any way to check how to debug this?
[09:02] <tomreyn> lucylu: see #ubuntu
[09:04] <tomreyn> muhaha: curl 'https://keyserver.ubuntu.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x93C4A3FD7BB9C367'
[09:05] <tomreyn> you may need to strip the surrounding html
[11:15] <cqs> hello, I'd like to ask whether there is some known issue while installing postgresql db on ubuntu server
[11:15] <cqs> it just hangs when setting up alternatives..
[11:15] <cqs> it's basically a clean installation
[11:15] <cqs> 18.04
[11:16] <cpaelzer> cqs: I'd not know of one
[11:16] <cqs> sheet
[11:17] <cpaelzer> I have seen an issue that sounds similar, but it was "update alternative ... already owned by <pkg>"
[11:17] <cpaelzer> and said pkg was not in the archive
[11:17] <cqs> update-alternatives: using /usr/share/postgresql/10/man/man1/postmaster.1.gz to provide /usr/share/man/man1/postmaster.1.gz (postmaster.1.gz) in auto mode
[11:17] <cqs> this is where it ends up
[11:17] <cpaelzer> ok, you have a different file at least
[11:17] <cpaelzer> maybe it makes sense for this one (other than the bug I checked a while ago)
[11:18] <cqs> i see
[11:18]  * cpaelzer is checking ...
[11:19] <ahasenack> good morning
[11:20] <cpaelzer> hi ahasenack
[11:20] <ahasenack> hi cpaelzer
[11:20] <cpaelzer> have you seen above already (before I check too deep and you just know it) ^^
[11:21] <cqs> thanks for you time
[11:21] <cpaelzer> cqs: I'm pretty sure you are "after" that update alternatives
[11:21] <cqs> r*
[11:21] <cqs> yes i am
[11:21] <cpaelzer> what is an "ps axlf" showing you
[11:22] <cpaelzer> maybe pastebinit ?
[11:22] <cqs> sure
[11:22] <cpaelzer> just retried postgresql on fresh bionic and cosmic - works as expected
[11:22] <cqs> https://paste.gnome.org/p8dcex7uf
[11:23] <cpaelzer> is that the systemctl start hanging ?
[11:23] <cpaelzer> hmm
[11:23] <cqs> hard to tell u
[11:25] <cpaelzer> yeah looks that way, and that would be the last command of configure_version in /usr/share/postgresql-common/maintscripts-functions
[11:25] <cpaelzer> cqs: what is "systemctl status postgresql.service" showing you atm?
[11:26] <cqs> loaded and active
[11:26] <cqs> looks normal
[11:27] <cpaelzer> cqs: how long is that hanging already?
[11:27] <cqs> all looks fine, it's just apt stayed locked
[11:27] <cqs> 16mins
[11:28] <xnox> I have questions about git-ubuntu.... sometimes the merge proposals diffs look odd in launchpad, is that normal?
[11:28] <ahasenack> xnox: we recon it's a but in python-git
[11:28] <RoyK> cqs: can you connect to the db with 'psql' with user postgres?
[11:28] <xnox> ok
[11:28] <xnox> second question - there is nowhere one should push things? one should just dput & close MP right?
[11:29] <xnox> there is no automagic marking things as merged?
[11:29] <cpaelzer> xnox: there is, if you follow the tagging procedure that we do
[11:29] <cpaelzer> xnox: but I'm not sure if this is reasonable for everyone
[11:29] <xnox> hmmmm
[11:29] <cpaelzer> xnox: that would also retain your git commit history on the import
[11:30] <xnox> i thought i tagged stuff, but all pushes from me were declined.....
[11:30] <cpaelzer> and the importer sees your dput being published, realizes it is the same and then closes things
[11:30] <xnox> and if i can't push things back to origin.... where does one supposed to push?
[11:30] <xnox> are there docs, i did not find/read?
[11:30] <cpaelzer> xnox: the repo "pkg" that is set up by default is the target
[11:31] <cpaelzer> but push access to that is rather restricted
[11:31] <cqs> RoyK: yes i can connect to psql
[11:31] <cpaelzer> especially as we long term don't want to require manual tagging anyways
[11:31] <cpaelzer> we want the importer to find approved MPs and use those
[11:32] <cpaelzer> xnox: it would be in (outdated I think) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging/GitWorkflow#Detailed_workflow
[11:32] <xnox> cpaelzer, tah, i'll read up on that, and will try to use that again.
[11:32] <cpaelzer> xnox: I'd ask you to get in touch with rbasak - I think we need to decide what we should do until the intended future workflow (with just approved MPs) can happen
[11:32] <cpaelzer> he is coordinating the related efforts
[11:33] <cpaelzer> cqs: so it seems all is fine, but the systemctl start did not return and due to that blocks
[11:33] <cpaelzer> I unfortunately have no former case like this to base the next steps on :-/
[11:34] <cqs> so shall i just kill that stuck process and unlock apt?
[11:35] <cpaelzer> I guess, so - that will most likely make it fail
[11:35] <cpaelzer> you might apt install --reinstall afterwards just to be sure
[11:35] <cqs> ok
[11:36] <cqs> it wants to run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' again but i guess it will hang again
[11:36] <cpaelzer> try it
[11:38] <cqs> btw i was installing postgresql-contrib in one shot
[11:38] <cqs> maybe this one is the guilty one
[11:38] <cqs>   Package postgresql-10 which provides postgresql-contrib-10 is not configured yet.
[11:39] <rbasak> xnox: since Launchpad publications are the single source of truth for Ubuntu, we can't allow uploaders to push things to origin since those might mismatch Launchpad publications, and the git view is supposed to be an exact reflection of what Launchpad published. So only the importer pushes after verifying correctness. But then uploaders need to supply rich history to the importer somehow. We don't
[11:39] <rbasak> have a good workflow for this yet. As a stop gap we push "upload tags" but right now they have to be processed manually.
[11:39] <rbasak> When Launchpad per-ref ACL support arrives, we will be able to give uploaders access to push upload tags directly (but that'll still be a stop-gap)
[11:39] <rbasak> Before then, if you want rich history preserved, ping someone in ~usd-import-team to do it.
[11:39] <xnox> ah i see, push a tag, rather than push branch refs.
[11:39] <xnox> fair enough.
[11:40] <xnox> to be fair, i don't mind either way, just didn't know what i should be doing today.
[11:40] <rbasak> The importer will only adopt tag if the upload matches in Lanchpad.
[11:40] <xnox> and if i did `something wrong, by not pushing something somewhere`
[11:40] <rbasak> It's fine to dput without using git. The importer will cope by synthesizing a commit, which will effectively be the squashing of your commits.
[11:48] <cpaelzer> cqs: apt install postgresql postgresql-contrib does not fail for me either
[11:48] <cqs> the only thing that comes to my mind is that i didnt have locales properly set, so it defaulted to som utf8
[11:48] <cqs> but that's all
[11:48] <cqs> some*
[12:36] <rbasak> xnox: that was becoming an FAQ, so here you go: https://askubuntu.com/q/1086094/7808
[12:40] <xnox> heh
[12:49] <mad_moses> Hi, can I use NFSv4 securely in the internet? (Enabling encryption?)
[12:50] <Ussat> I would NEVER mount a NFS over the net unless it was over a VPN
[12:51] <Ussat> and then only as a last resort
[12:52] <mad_moses> Ussat: okay, just read that NFSv4 also supports encryption. So I thought it might be safe
[12:52] <sdeziel> mad_moses: you could look at SSHFS maybe
[12:53] <mad_moses> sdeziel: sshfs is doing strange things. I mounted a server folder and try to work remotely with my pycharm on my python project but git and pycharm are doing strange things (refereshing every second)
[13:45] <ahasenack> cpaelzer: if you do a "lxc launch ubuntu-daily:trusty trusty-foo", and then enter that container and run "hostname -f", do you get trusty-foo.lxd?
[13:47] <RoyK> mad_moses: nfs4 uses kerberos for authentication, but sends the data in cleartext
[13:48] <RoyK> mad_moses: that is - nfs4 may use sec=sys and then only checks the client's ip address
[13:51] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: seeing the quesiton just now
[13:51] <cpaelzer> just a sec
[13:51] <ahasenack> no rush
[13:52] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: yes I see the same
[13:52] <ahasenack> ok, thx
[14:16] <mad_moses> RoyK: okay, vpn is the answer ...
[14:37] <mfo> xnox, hey :) so, i noticed there are some regressions in systemd rdeps in pending-sru page.  i gone through them, and apparently none are related to the LP/patch I submitted (LP 1795658), but wondering if you'd like me to review any of them.
[14:37] <xnox> mfo, well, your patch is not the only thing in that upload.
[14:37] <xnox> there are 6 bug fixes.
[14:38] <xnox> as you can see on the pending-sru page
[14:39] <mfo> xnox, yes, I see. that's why I'm asking :)  i could not track the test errors to _that_ part of the upload, but you know, maybe there are symptoms that are not that clearly linked.
[14:39] <mfo> i offered checking some of them in case you were suspicious they were not from the other uploads either.
[14:41] <mfo> xnox, well, and sorry to bother, but I just wanted to offer help in case that helped. no worries :)  if you find something for me about that, please just let me know and I'll take a look.
[14:41] <xnox> mfo, i've hit retry on all of the regressions, to see if any of the flaky ones would clear.
[14:41] <xnox> mfo, and then i'd be writting up to release team for things that are clearly broken.
[14:42] <mfo> xnox, ok. iirc there are a few ones after "rebooting" in autopkgtest, which seems like a couldn't connect post-reboot type of error, not really pkg code itself.
[14:42] <mfo> xnox, thanks!
[14:42] <xnox> mfo, well, or a VM failing to boot with new systemd =/
[14:45] <mfo> xnox, oh, indeed. hopefully not the case!
[16:22] <Checkmate> guys my ip server down after typing this command iptables -L -n
[16:23] <Checkmate> whats i do now ?
[16:23] <tomreyn> what is an ip server?
[16:23] <Checkmate> vps
[16:24] <tomreyn> use your out of bound access to flush iptables, or if you have none, power cycle it.
[16:26] <Checkmate> @tomreyn my vps down its like all opened ports closed do i need to restart server?
[16:26] <TJ-> "iptables -Ln" isn't going to add a rule, it just lists with numerics
[16:27] <tomreyn> yes it should not cause this, but apparently somehow Checkmate was working on iptables and locked themselves out.
[16:27] <Checkmate> well i put this command and same time the vps down
[16:27] <TJ-> Checkmate: did you issue any commands before that one?
[16:28] <tomreyn> Checkmate: if you have no other way to access the system, such as through a virtual serial console or KVM your VPS host provides through e.g. their web panel, you will need to have them power cycle it (maybe also through a self service web panel).
[16:28] <Checkmate> @tomreyn yes iptables -F
[16:29] <TJ-> Checkmate: -F flushes the tables; if the default policy is DROP then you've cut yourself off
[16:30] <Checkmate> damn what i need to do now @TJ-
[16:31] <Checkmate> i have a web shell access please provide me how to get my vps server back
[16:31] <TJ-> Checkmate: tomreyn has told you twice; reboot the server and hope there are saved rules in place to open ports. Otherwise use your host's out-of-band console access to fix it
[16:31] <tomreyn> you need to undo what you did last, or reboot which will undo non permanent configuration changes
[16:34] <Checkmate> @tomreyn after restarting everything work fine thx
[16:36] <tomreyn> good. keep the web shell open while you work on iptables, make sure you know how to undo changes before you make them
[16:43] <Checkmate> @tomreyn do u know how to clear all banned ip fail2ban service
[16:48] <mason> Checkmate: man fail2ban-client - there's probably some sleek way to do it all at once, but this will let you do it granularly.
[16:48] <tomreyn> Checkmate: not of the top of my head, no
[16:49] <Checkmate> i see something about removing fail2ban.sqlite3 its safe?
[16:50] <tomreyn> sqlite is a flat file database, often used for storing configurations. removing this is probably not what you want.
[17:37] <RoyK> Checkmate: if the server goes down with an iptables command, contact the people you got it from - it shouldn't panic or shut down for something like this
[17:38] <RoyK> Checkmate: where do you have this VPS?
[17:38] <RoyK> tomreyn: serial consoles are a bit hard to work out on virtual machines ;)
[17:39] <tomreyn> RoyK: why so?
[17:39] <tomreyn> both KVM + Xen support (virtual) serial consoles just fine.
[17:39] <teward> RoyK: so it did a full blown panic immediately when attempting to boot
[17:39] <RoyK> because there's no serial port, for starters, at least if you rent a VM from some company abroad
[17:39] <teward> on my HP Z400 workstation
[17:40] <teward> i'll have to picture the screen when I get the data up to share the panic error
[17:40] <RoyK> netconsole should work, though
[17:40] <tomreyn> RoyK: you'll just need to add the virtualized equivalent of a serial console switch
[17:41] <RoyK> but then again - if a VM panics just after iptables -Ln, something is very, very wrong
[17:42] <RoyK> tomreyn: something you can't do if someone else controls the hypervisor
[17:45] <tomreyn> RoyK: right
[20:46] <mason> I'm curious how libvirtd presents microcode to VMs. Which is to say, with Ubuntu 18.04, my qemu-kvm VMs show vulnerable to Spectre 3a and 4 where the host does not. Guests tried include Ubuntu 16.04, RHEL 7.5, Debian 9.5.
[20:47] <JanC> I doubt showing microcode to VMs makes any sense at all
[20:48] <mason> JanC: The facility has to be there in the CPU presented, no?
[20:48] <JanC> no
[20:48] <mason> Okay, could you explain how it's supposed to work, then?
[20:50] <ahasenack> mason: can you setting up the cpu in the vm to be a copy of the host?
[20:50] <ChmEarl> mason, qemu-system-x86_64 -cpu ?  , then try some CPUID/CPU combinations
[20:50] <ahasenack> I don't know how to do it with virsh, but in virt-manager you have a dropdown menu in the cpu tab
[20:50] <mason> I've tried a couple CPU combinations, all with IBRS.
[20:51] <JanC> how microcode & all those controller CPUs work isn't really documented
[20:51] <JanC> so there really isn't any way you could implement them virtually
[20:52] <mason> Well. Microcode application, right. But the guests themselves should believe they've got the correct facilities, as I understand it.
[20:53] <JanC> so, did you test if those guests are actually vulnerable?
[20:54] <mason> JanC: Yes. That's why I'm asking.
[20:55] <JanC> I mean, did you test if they are actually vulnerable, or did you just test a kernel flag or something?
[20:56] <mason> JanC: I ran https://github.com/speed47/spectre-meltdown-checker which I believe looks at more than flags. I'm open to suggestions for testing with PoC somehow.
[20:56] <ahasenack> rbasak: still around?
[20:56] <mason> If it's a false positive, that's fine.
[20:57] <mason> I'll migrate the guests to a RHEL hypervisor and test there too I guess, for comparison.
[20:58] <tyhicks> mason: hi - variant 4 mitigations are only enabled when there's a seccomp filter in place for the process in question or the process has opted into mitigation by making a certain prctl(2) systemcall
[20:59] <tyhicks> mason: this is documented in the Mitigations section of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/Variant4
[20:59] <tyhicks> mason: as far as variant 3a goes, that's something that is entirely mitigated in microcode
[20:59] <mason> tyhicks: Thank you. Odd that the spectre-meltdown-checker script doesn't set this. I'll have to read what they're doing.
[20:59] <tyhicks> mason: VMs don't load microcode - it is something that the host is in charge of
[21:00] <mason> tyhicks: That seems fine, but I thought the CPU then presented would have all the bits needed for the kernels to mitigate things. I'm clearly a bit confused.
[21:01] <tyhicks> mason: there's a lot of different ways that your virtual CPUs can be configured, you'd need to paste the contents of /proc/cpuinfo for me to start understanding what's going on inside your vm
[21:01] <mason> tyhicks: kk, coming up
[21:01] <ahasenack> rbasak: n/m, filed a bug :)
[21:02] <tyhicks> mason: going back to variant 4... you can use the ssbd-exec tool that I wrote to enable mitigations and then run the checker script (replace the grep command in the second example with the checker script): https://github.com/tyhicks/ssbd-tools#using-ssbd-exec
[21:03] <mason> tyhicks: https://bpaste.net/show/e19b21dd662e - the first one is https://bpaste.net/show/e5b63791427f on the host, and the second is https://bpaste.net/show/154b82e83888 on the host
[21:03] <mason> tyhicks: ty, will try that
[21:06] <tyhicks> mason: I'm starting to get cloudy on the details but the kernel reports a bogus microcode revision inside of VMs (which is why you see 0x1 reported as the microcode revision in the cpuinfo pasts)... I wonder if the checker script is relying on that revision to be correct...
[21:06]  * tyhicks checks the source
[21:07] <JanC> mason: microcode is never enough to prevent all spectre-style vulnerabilities AFAIK
[21:07] <mason> There's one of the more recent ones that requires guest cooperation, yeah.
[21:08] <mason> I want want the fence to be as high as possible.
[21:08] <JanC> or if it would be enough, it would likely slow down the CPU to the point where you could be using your smartphone instead of that high end Xeon  :P
[21:09] <mason> tyhicks: # ./ssbd-exec -- ~/spectre-meltdown-checker.sh
[21:09] <mason> ERROR: Speculation cannot be controlled via prctl
[21:11] <mason> tyhicks: That's on the second system from that initial bpaste, which has a Skylake Xeon box as a host that shows all green with the script.
[21:12] <tyhicks> mason: the correct command is: $ ./ssbd-exec -p disable -- ~/spectre-meltdown-checker.sh
[21:12] <tyhicks> (but I think you're going to hit the same error)
[21:12] <mason> ah, trying again
[21:12] <mason> Close: https://bpaste.net/show/4efbd9fc3bd8
[21:15] <tyhicks> mason: what kernel version are you running? (cat /proc/version_signature)
[21:15] <mason> tyhicks: Host or guest?
[21:15] <mason> tyhicks: I'll give you both.
[21:15] <tyhicks> both
[21:17] <mason> tyhicks: 3.10.0-862.14.4.el7.x86_64 (RHEL 7.5, guest) seems not to offer this. The host is 4.15.0-36.39-generic.
[21:17] <tyhicks> mason: did you run ssbd-exec in the guest or host?
[21:17] <mason> guest
[21:18] <mason> I didn't bother running it on the host, because the host makes the script happy.
[21:18] <tyhicks> mason: oh, RHEL must not have backported the fix
[21:18] <tyhicks> mason: err, they must not have backported the prctl portion of the fix
[21:18] <mason> tyhicks: I'll try again on an Ubuntu guest.
[21:31] <JanC> there is a big spread between fixing those vulnerabilities entirely and keeping your CPU performant  :)
[21:32] <JanC> I suppose at some point there will have to be host & guest profiles where admins will have to make their choices...
[21:33] <tyhicks> mason: that checker script has become pretty complex - I can't say for sure but I'm pretty confident that the variant 3a failure is a false positive most likely caused by the microcode revision being obscured inside of the VM
[21:35] <mason> tyhicks: I'll look around for other ways to test - a PoC would be the best way I imagine.
[21:37] <JanC> testing 8.04 guest on 8.04 host would probably be a good test too
[21:37] <mason> tyhicks: Thank you very much for your time. Also JanC and ahasenack
[21:37] <ahasenack> welcome
[21:38] <mason> JanC: Oddly, I don't actually have an 18.04 guest, only hypervisors. I'll have to spin one up.