[20:35] <Na3iL> o/ hey folks
[20:50] <Na3iL> ubuntiste-msakni, do u think it's a good idea? :P
[20:54] <ubuntiste-msakni> Yo Na3iL ! What idea?
[20:55] <Na3iL> the TGLUG
[20:55] <Na3iL> am thinking on it after I saw the list on Ubuntu africa
[21:01] <ubuntiste-msakni> It's a nice idea :)
[21:03] <Na3iL> I'll see how can I work on the website :D


[00:18] <wallyworld_> thumper: did you see that question in #juju-dev and ask ubuntu about local provider and not being able to mount /var/log/juju-<user>-local? Do you recall what might cause that?
[00:18] <thumper> yeah
[00:18] <thumper> sadly
[00:18] <thumper> can we chat after I have some food?
[00:18] <thumper> catch up should be good
[00:19] <wallyworld_> sure, or you could answer his question :-)
[00:19] <wallyworld_> catch up sounds good anyway
[00:19] <wallyworld_> i might grab some food too
[00:27] <perrito666> wallyworld_: btw, I wanted to ask you so Ill leave the question here
[00:27] <perrito666> there are descriptions for most of the other statuses describing where they are used and what for, do we have those for the new ones?
[00:27] <perrito666> waigani: tx for the review btw
[00:27] <wallyworld_> perrito666: yep, all in the spec
[00:28] <wallyworld_> the ones in code now are wrong
[00:28] <wallyworld_> thy are really only there as placeholders
[00:28] <perrito666> wallyworld_: I guessed so, but abstained from changing them until it was set in stone
[00:28] <waigani> perrito666: np, I agree with wallyworld_ on the func name, on second thought
[00:28] <waigani> anastasiamac: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/888/
[00:28] <anastasiamac> waigani: just saw :D tyvm!!
[00:28] <waigani> anastasiamac: sorry for the wait, running low on fuel, need food!
[00:28] <perrito666> wallyworld_: since they have to change all over in tests too which is a bit of a pain to do more than once :p
[00:29] <anastasiamac> waigani: np. eat!!
[00:30] <wallyworld_> perrito666: agreed. i didn't want us to do anything with the actual values until the spec is finalised
[00:30] <wallyworld_> even the ones there now aren't complete at the time they were added
[00:31] <perrito666> wallyworld_: well I finally changed then or you would add a comment that I those are nto the right ones each time I pushed to go from one computer to the other :p
[00:32] <wallyworld_> wot? did i do that? i don't recall. i didn't mean to
[00:33] <perrito666> ts ok, you reviewed each of my pushes, even the ones I did forgetting that they changed rb lol
[00:40] <anastasiamac> davecheney: thnx for review :D
[00:40] <anastasiamac> davecheney: there is no better feeling than seeing Shipit :D
[00:48] <thumper> wallyworld_: ready when you are
[00:48] <thumper> anastasiamac: really? no better feeling?
[00:48] <wallyworld_> one minute
[00:48] <anastasiamac> thumper: at work? yes - no beta :D
[00:50] <anastasiamac> thumper: outside of work - driving fast cars does it :D
[00:50] <thumper> anastasiamac: I wasn't even going to go there :)
[00:50] <anastasiamac> thumper: where?..
[00:50] <thumper> outside work
[00:53] <thumper> wallyworld_: I'm in our 1:1 hangout when you are ready
[00:53] <anastasiamac> why, thumper... what gives u  a good feeling at work?
[00:53] <thumper> and reviewing waigani's branch while I wait
[01:38] <thumper> waigani: getting down to relatively small issues now
[01:38] <thumper> waigani: I think most comments were about improving readability
[01:39] <waigani> thumper: okay, thanks
[02:23] <thumper> hello reviewers: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/912/
[02:35] <thumper> menn0, waigani, davecheney: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/912/
[02:38] <menn0> thumper: looking
[02:53] <menn0> thumper: shit it
[02:53] <menn0> thumper: or ship it :)
[02:53] <thumper> heh
[02:53] <thumper> I was going to ask if that was a slip
[02:54] <menn0> only wrt to how i'm currently feeling, not the code :)
[02:56] <menn0> thumper: only one more component to go with this logging POC. with a bit of luck i'll have logs streaming through the API end-to-end
[02:56] <menn0> soon
[02:58] <thumper> menn0: \o/
[02:58] <menn0> thumper: it's a bit rough and has no tests and there's a few details to iron out but it should work
[02:58] <thumper> menn0: sounds like a spike to me :)
[02:59] <menn0> thumper: the code is mostly reasonable quality. writing tests and cleaning it up will probably add a day or 2
[03:02] <thumper> waigani: shipit... when the queue is unblocked
[03:03] <waigani> thumper: great, thanks. I'm going to have some merge conflicts.
[03:03] <thumper> waigani: best get them sorted now then :)
[03:03] <waigani> thumper: yep
[03:03]  * thumper needs coffee
[03:03] <thumper> bbs
[03:08] <anastasiamac> waigani: thumper: environments can be annotated
[03:08] <anastasiamac> waigani: thumper: for all other entities that can be annotated, we remove annotations on entity destruction/removal
[03:09] <anastasiamac> waigani: thumper: i could be blond but m not seeing it for environment destruction
[03:09] <anastasiamac> waigani: thumper: s/blond/blind
[03:09] <waigani> anastasiamac: when an env is destroyed, all docs associated with that env are removed
[03:10] <waigani> anastasiamac: at least for non state server envs
[03:11] <anastasiamac> waigani: to ease my mind, would it b possible to have a test for it :D
[03:11] <waigani> anastasiamac: yep, sounds like a good idea
[03:11] <anastasiamac> waigani: much appreciated!
[03:12] <anastasiamac> waigani: plz let me know when env desruction lands
[03:13] <anastasiamac> waigani: i may need to go over old annotations impl too  as environments r special l:D
[03:13] <waigani> anastasiamac: just got a shipit, so once the IC blocker is moved ... where's menno?
[03:13] <anastasiamac> waigani: menno is blocking ci?
[03:14] <waigani> anastasiamac: no, he is THE UNBLOCKER
[03:14] <waigani> anastasiamac: so in your annotation's tests your using RemoveEnvironment (or something like that)
[03:14] <waigani> anastasiamac: that just removes the env doc
[03:14] <anastasiamac> waigani: yes ;D I had to despite the comment that u guys were not happy with it
[03:15] <waigani> anastasiamac: once destroy lands, there will be a RemoveAllEnvironDocs func
[03:15] <anastasiamac> waigani: hence m happy to go over annotation stuff once ur branch lands :D
[03:15] <anastasiamac> waigani: awesome! m look n forward to it
[03:15] <waigani> anastasiamac: that func will remove the env doc and ANY doc that has a env-uuid field with a matching UUID
[03:16] <anastasiamac> waigani: sounds exactly like what i want
[03:16] <waigani> anastasiamac: so that should clear out any annotation docs associated with the env
[03:17] <waigani> anastasiamac: but yeah, I'll land the branch and then we can take a look at the annotation tests and make sure it's all covered.
[03:18] <anastasiamac> waigani: sounds gr8 :D
[03:18] <anastasiamac> waigani: annotation impl treats env differntly than other entities for historical reasons
[03:19] <anastasiamac> waigani: so i'll fix this once JES is capable of destroying env D
[03:20] <waigani> anastasiamac: okay. I haven't looked into annotations at all. But happy to help from the JES side
[03:20] <anastasiamac> waigani: np
[03:20] <anastasiamac> waigani: i'll ask if i'll get lost with JES :D
[03:20] <waigani> sounds good
[04:18]  * thumper sighs
[04:18] <thumper> seems like a bad test in state
[04:18] <thumper> intermittent failure
[04:18] <thumper> stopped eric's fix branch landing more than once
[04:18] <thumper> http://juju-ci.vapour.ws:8080/job/github-merge-juju/2093/?
[04:20] <thumper> FAIL: machine_test.go:1038: MachineSuite.TestMachinePrincipalUnits
[04:20]  * thumper must write the spec
[04:20] <thumper> gah, distractions
[04:53] <axw> wallyworld: I'm not going to go there yet, but I'm starting to wonder whether the machine provisioner should be made more generic, to handle de/provisioning storage as well
[04:54] <axw> we're going to need to do pretty much all the same things... e.g. "harvesting" volumes that we fail to record in state
[04:55] <axw> and the machine/container provisioning is very similar to env/machine volume scope
[05:11] <mattyw> davecheney, ping?
[05:12] <davecheney> mattyw: pong
[05:31] <wallyworld> axw: yes, it may com to that
[07:58] <TheMue> morning
[08:01] <anastasiamac> TheMue: morning :D
[08:01] <TheMue> anastasiamac: o/
[09:01] <anastasiamac> ericsnow: about ci blocker, bug 1420426
[09:01] <mup> Bug #1420426: backups_nonlinux.go import error <ci> <osx> <regression> <windows> <juju-core:Triaged by ericsnowcurrently> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1420426>
[09:01] <anastasiamac> ericsnow: i just got trunk and it looks like the offensive import is not there...
[09:02] <anastasiamac> ericsnow: should the bug be marked "fix committed" and hopefully unblock CI
[09:16] <jam> fwereade: greetings
[09:16] <fwereade> jam, ahoy
[09:16] <jam> fwereade: How's Leia doing?
[09:21] <jam>  fwereade: are you coming to leader-election?
[09:22] <perrito666> morning all
[09:32] <perrito666> anastasiamac: Block ok pr 916 refers to the action of blocking?
[09:33] <anastasiamac> perrito666: m lost... could u re-phrase? :D
[09:33] <perrito666> sure
[09:33] <perrito666> http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/916/diff/#
[09:34] <perrito666> Block, means blocking as in preventing something to be done?
[09:35] <anastasiamac> perrito666: yes :) PR 916 is about adding env blocks to prevent some operations from runnng
[09:35] <anastasiamac> perrito666: currently, u can 'juju block' whatever
[09:35] <anastasiamac> perrito666: however, it just adds env variable
[09:35] <perrito666> anastasiamac: :p as a non native english speaker let me drop a word of advice :) when seen in the code, "block" is a veeery ambiguous word
[09:36] <anastasiamac> perrito666: we want to be able to desribe why we are blocking smth
[09:36] <anastasiamac> perrito666: not my choice of vocabulary :D
[09:37] <perrito666> I first read the pr backwards and was thinking on block as "piece of something" :p
[09:37] <anastasiamac> perrito666: altho in this instance it is actually descriptive of what it does...
[10:02] <TheMue> voidspace: ping
[10:02] <voidspace> TheMue: omw
[10:04] <voidspace> TheMue: dooferlad: firefox crash!
[10:04] <voidspace> rejoining
[10:06] <voidspace> dooferlad: tried chrome, video still didn't work...
[10:07] <wallyworld> jam: you around?
[10:55] <voidspace> getting maas running locally again
[10:55] <voidspace> switching off "disk erase on release" helps...
[10:56] <voidspace> I'd switched it on for bug hunting previously
[10:56] <voidspace> desperately hoping I get to successful bootstrap before timeout
[10:56] <voidspace> and fail...
[10:59] <voidspace> ooh, now pxe boot is working again for no specific reason
[10:59] <voidspace> that's nice
[10:59] <voidspace> possibly due to an update
[11:00] <voidspace> nope, it boots then shuts down
[11:00] <voidspace> dammit
[11:01] <voidspace> ah, the wrong machine pxe booted
[11:01] <voidspace> starting the second node kicks things off
[11:01] <voidspace> how odd
[11:01] <voidspace> race against timeout again
[11:01] <voidspace> must increase the timeout...
[11:03] <voidspace> bootstrap!
[11:05] <voidspace> wwitzel3: ping
[11:06] <voidspace> wwitzel3: I can (finally) bootstrap and deploy to MAAS with no problem
[11:06] <voidspace> wwitzel3: can't reproduce the x509 cert issue
[11:06] <voidspace> wwitzel3: I've added a note on the issue
[11:31] <anastasiamac> fwereade: o/
[11:32] <fwereade> anastasiamac, heyhey
[11:32] <anastasiamac> fwereade: how r u?
[11:33] <fwereade> anastasiamac, good thanks, and yourself?
[11:33] <anastasiamac> fwereade: m good... :)
[11:33] <anastasiamac> fwereade: i need to distract u
[11:33] <anastasiamac> fwereade: and beg for a favour...
[11:34] <fwereade> anastasiamac, np :)
[11:34] <anastasiamac> fwereade: could u plz chnage my subscription to juju-dev from digest at one stage?..
[11:34] <anastasiamac> fwereade: m getting delayed correspondence
[11:34] <anastasiamac> fwereade: it'd b gr8 if I could do it myself
[11:35] <anastasiamac> fwereade: but when I tried, i was sternly told that m already subscribed and need to contact u :D
[11:35] <fwereade> anastasiamac, hummmm I am technically an administrator there aren't I? :/
[11:35] <anastasiamac> fwereade: it's not urgent but would b gr8
[11:35] <anastasiamac> fwereade: yes u r :)
[11:36] <fwereade> anastasiamac, figuring out what to do is not going to be a 5-min thing so I need to put it on the stack -- can I suggest unsub/resub as a possibly quicker method?
[11:36] <anastasiamac> fwereade: i'll try :D thnx :)
[11:42] <anastasiamac> fwereade: i bow to ur wisdom
[11:42] <anastasiamac> fwereade: when i went to unsubscribe, i had to log in
[11:42] <anastasiamac> fwereade: which allowed me to change from digest subscription :D
[11:42] <fwereade> anastasiamac, excellent :)
[11:42] <anastasiamac> fwereade: all sorted
[11:43] <anastasiamac> fwereade: tyvm!!
[11:43]  * fwereade likes thanks for doing nothing at all ;p
[11:44] <anastasiamac> fwereade: pointing ppl in the right direction is doing smth :D
[11:45] <fwereade> anastasiamac, when you look closely enough, I suppose :)
[11:54] <jam> wallyworld: what's up ?
[11:55] <wallyworld> jam:  hey, re: running-hook in status spec. i'm torn between "executing" as per mark's suggestion, and running-hook and running-action
[11:55] <wallyworld> did you have an opinion
[11:56] <jam> I haven't read that particular bit lately, but just from what you bring up, I'm not sure there is a worthwhile *user* distinction there, is there ?
[11:56] <jam> wallyworld: as in, someone watching "juju status" will wait on running-action but go ahead if it was running-hook
[11:57] <wallyworld> jam: not so much for scripts, but humans, but i guess that's what message is for. so seems like "executing" might be ok
[11:57] <jam> wallyworld: yeah, if its just humans than that's what the message is for.
[11:57] <wallyworld> mark also didn't want like the recent hooks
[11:57] <jam> run it by fwereade as well
[11:57] <jam> wallyworld: that was a gustavo thing that we didn't get a chance to run by him
[11:58] <jam> IIRC
[11:58] <wallyworld> yeah, i think that was the case
[11:58] <jam> I think being able to introspect it is good, I don't think *I* would prefer it to be in default status for sure
[11:58] <jam> possibly when digging deeper
[11:58] <wallyworld> i suggested using a --verbose flag or some such
[11:58] <wallyworld> i didn't want it output by default
[11:58] <wallyworld> but i could see the value
[12:01] <jam> wallyworld: yeah, I feel like this sort of thing falls more into a "debug-log" sort of syntax
[12:02] <jam> juju debug show-recent-hooks $ID
[12:03] <wallyworld> yeah, sounds fine
[12:03] <wallyworld> i could see how it fitted into a status deep dive also
[12:05] <jam> wallyworld: yeah, that *might* be a way to get it, though I'd be hesitant to do it on a command that would try to do it against all 1000 units in the env
[12:05] <wallyworld> true
[12:16] <jam> fwereade: an interesting development, I accidentally messed up while transcribing the tests and I wonder if I'm running into something.
[12:16] <fwereade> jam, oh yes?
[12:16] <jam> specifically, "Set the charmURL to trigger config events" has an assertChange()
[12:16] <jam> and then we change the config
[12:16] <jam> and assert that we get one more change
[12:16] <jam> fwereade: which seems fine, *but*
[12:16] <jam> if I remove the first assertChange
[12:16] <jam> then I get 2 changes on the channel
[12:16] <jam> should those actually be coalesced?
[12:18] <jam> concretely, filter_test.go, line 327, if you comment that out the next "assertChange" fails because it has 2 events in the queue
[12:18] <jam> fwereade: anyway, have to take the dog out, bbiab
[12:20] <fwereade> jam, in general, yes, but... is it plausible that the StartSync (which is not, uh, sync) only causes the second change to be delivered just after the filter sends the event for the first one?
[12:20] <fwereade> jam, which could indicate the potential for races in the tests that *do* check coalescence... hmm
[12:23] <jam> fwereade: I have the feeling it is more that maybeSendMessage actually causes us to send 2
[12:24] <jam> anyway, good that it happened because I "fixed" the test wrong
[12:24] <jam> but made me wonder
[12:53] <jam> fwereade: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/917/diff/# is just my "use nil instead of make(chan)" proposal
[12:53] <fwereade> jam, LGTM
[13:38] <jam> fwereade: I made some progress on updating the tests to use ContentAsserterC and NotifyAsserterC, I'll finish that up tonight and propose it.
[14:22] <alexisb> voidspace, you around?
[14:31] <wwitzel3> voidspace: thanks
[14:44] <natefinch> wwitzel3: want to do our 1:1?
[14:46] <wwitzel3> natefinch: sure
[14:47] <wwitzel3> natefinch: just refilling my coffee
[14:47] <natefinch> wwitzel3: a worthy cause for delay :)
[15:02] <ericsnow> our ReviewBoard site will be having some downtime today
[15:02] <ericsnow> (for real this time)
[15:02] <wwitzel3> ericsnow: :)
[15:02] <ericsnow> I'll send out a message about 10 minutes before taking it down
[15:02] <ericsnow> and right after it comes up
[15:05] <natefinch> ericsnow, perrito666: you guys coming to the standup?
[15:05] <perrito666> my cal says its in 1h but sure
[15:05] <ericsnow> natefinch: yeah, in 55 minutes :)
[15:05] <natefinch> ericsnow, perrito666: I just moved it to now :)
[15:06] <natefinch> ericsnow, perrito666: that way it's always at the same time.... the meetings that had interfered with it in the past are gone, so figured I'd fix it
[15:06] <natefinch> ....somewhat retroactively
[15:09] <Muntaner> how are you, devs?
[15:14] <frankban> voidspace: I proposed a fix for the ports issue here: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/1588
[15:31] <natefinch> alexisb: brt, still in standup
[15:31] <alexisb> nw
[15:32] <alexisb> no rush
[15:35] <perrito666> ericsnow: didn't you fix 1420426?
[15:35] <ericsnow> perrito666: yep
[15:35]  * perrito666 gets denied by juju bot because of it
[15:35] <stokachu> natefinch: you ever heard of https://github.com/moovweb/gvm?
[15:36] <ericsnow> perrito666: Tim landed it last night
[15:36] <stokachu> i think that would be cool to have for managing juju versions
[15:36] <stokachu> a similar tool
[15:36] <stokachu> make it easier to test against development releases
[15:36] <natefinch> stokachu: yeah, I know of it.  For go, I think it's a terrible idea. :)  For Juju, well, it might be a better idea.
[15:38] <stokachu> cool, just a thought i had :)
[15:39] <natefinch> stokachu: ideally we'd make it easier to run different juju clients side by side
[15:39] <voidspace> frankban: ok, thanks
[15:39] <stokachu> natefinch: yea that would be perfect, im trying to work out the best way to automate testing our installer against all available juju versions
[15:40] <voidspace> frankban: reading through it
[15:40] <natefinch> stokachu: in theory, just switching $JUJU_HOME per version of juju can let you run them side by side
[15:40] <frankban> voidspace: thanks
[15:41] <stokachu> natefinch: good point, i could probably script something up for that
[15:41] <stokachu> we use a custom home anyway for juju
[15:44] <frankban> voidspace: dow you know why that MP is not automatically hooked to review board?
[15:51] <voidspace> no
[15:51] <voidspace> frankban: is your membership of the juju team public?
[15:51] <frankban> voidspace: I guess so, and my last proposal was correctly hooked
[15:51] <voidspace> frankban: I think that's a requirement
[15:51] <voidspace> ah
[15:51] <voidspace> ericsnow: ping
[15:51] <ericsnow> voidspace: hey
[15:51] <ericsnow> voidspace: OTP
[15:52] <voidspace> ericsnow: this PR hasn't landed on reviewboard
[15:52] <voidspace> ericsnow: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/1588/files
[15:52] <voidspace> ericsnow: ok
[15:52] <ericsnow> voidspace: I'll take a look in a bit
[15:52] <voidspace> ericsnow: thanks
[15:52] <ericsnow> voidspace: it's probably a unicode issue (Python 2.7) :P
[15:53] <voidspace> ericsnow: hah :-)
[15:53] <ericsnow> voidspace: I'm actually not kidding! (we have unicode somewhere in our mongo package that RB fails on)
[15:54] <voidspace> :-/
[16:03] <voidspace> frankban: so lines 156 on in the megawatcher
[16:03] <voidspace> frankban: you moved the code assigning PortRanges and Ports
[16:04] <voidspace> frankban: to "preserve the current status and ports."
[16:04] <voidspace> frankban: why are we preserving the old ones instead of using the new ones?
[16:06] <frankban> voidspace: on call, back in a minute, but the answer is that we only need to calculate ports on new entities. If an entity is already there, then its ports are updated by the bakingOpenPorts
[16:06] <voidspace> frankban: ah, ok - cool, thanks
[16:06] <voidspace> frankban: that answers my next question too :-)
[16:13] <voidspace> frankban: so your PR LGTM, but I'm not familiar with the intricacies of all the entities involved
[16:14] <voidspace> frankban: in essence is the megawatcher now watching another collection?
[16:14] <frankban> voidspace: yes
[16:14] <voidspace> frankban: cool
[16:14] <voidspace> frankban: I'm going to give it an LGTM
[16:14] <frankban> voidspace: it now watches the openports collection
[16:14] <frankban> voidspace: ty!
[16:57] <Muntaner> guys, where can I start to study something about using Juju with Windows Machines?
[17:11] <gsamfira> Muntaner: hi there. I think I may be able to help
[17:11] <gsamfira> Muntaner: on which provider would you like to use Windows?
[17:11] <gsamfira> MaaS, OpenStack, etc?
[17:12] <Muntaner> gsamfira: I don't have the details under my hands right now - bosses will tell me them soon
[17:12] <voidspace> gsamfira: o/
[17:12] <voidspace> gsamfira: hi
[17:12] <Muntaner> and I wanted to start studying the situatio
[17:12] <Muntaner> n
[17:12] <Muntaner> in general
[17:13] <gsamfira> Muntaner: okay then. So in general there are a few requirements to get windows up and running. And it depends on the provider you are planning to use
[17:13] <gsamfira> for an Openstack private cloud, you will need 2 things. The windows agent tools, and a windows image preinstalled with cloudbase-init
[17:14] <gsamfira> I am not sure if the windows agent tools are part of the official simplestreams that juju offers for 1.21
[17:14] <gsamfira> but if it is not, I can help you build them
[17:14] <gsamfira> Muntaner: a windows image can be downloaded freely from: http://www.cloudbase.it/ws2012r2/
[17:15] <gsamfira> its an evaluation image valid for 180 days (I think)
[17:15] <gsamfira> I can write up a wiki page on setting up your OpenStack private cloud (Incidentally I need to set one up anyway....I can just document the steps)
[17:15] <Muntaner> gsamfira: thanks!
[17:16] <gsamfira> My pleasure
[17:16] <gsamfira> If you plan to use MaaS, you'll need a windows image for that as well. There is a image builder in the works at the moment that will be released as part of MaaS
[17:18] <gsamfira> Muntaner: in any case, I'll be online a lot in the next couple of weeks. Ping me anytime on IRC :)
[17:18] <gsamfira> voidspace: hi :D
[17:18] <Muntaner> gsamfira: great! thanks :D
[18:43] <voidspace> g'night all
[18:43] <voidspace> EOD
[19:35] <ericsnow> in 10 minutes I'm going to be taking reviewboard down for a little while (to move to a new host)
[19:37]  * perrito666 panics and runs in circles
[19:45] <ericsnow> reviewboard going down now
[19:49] <natefinch> If you want to know why GCE isnt finished being reviewed, you can blame ericsnow ;)
[19:50] <ericsnow> haha
[19:56] <thumper> morning folks
[19:57] <thumper> fwereade: if you are around this evening, it would be great to have a catch up call
[20:03] <ericsnow> reviewboard is back up (on the new host)
[20:03] <ericsnow> let me know if anything is amiss
[20:07] <perrito666> ericsnow: no new features :p
[20:07] <ericsnow> perrito666: wasn't an upgrade ;P
[20:07] <perrito666> i know
[20:07] <perrito666> I just fancy upgrades
[20:07] <perrito666> :p
[20:08] <natefinch> ericsnow: I'm getting a 500
[20:08] <natefinch> ericsnow:  http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/771/
[20:08] <ericsnow> natefinch: impossible
[20:08] <ericsnow> natefinch: ;)
[20:10] <ericsnow> natefinch: ah, I guess the charm doesn't install git for you
[20:10] <ericsnow> natefinch: problem solved
[20:11] <perrito666> ericsnow: I could do with a different theme (?)
[20:11] <ericsnow> perrito666: go for it <wink>
[20:11] <perrito666> ericsnow: oh :( I thought these where canned things
[20:11] <ericsnow> perrito666: perhaps (I don't know)
[20:19] <perrito666> hey, next tue i am ocr but its a holiday here, anyone wants to trade?
[20:21] <katco> perrito666: i can trade, i'm the next day (wed.)
[20:21] <perrito666> sweet, tx :D
[20:22] <katco> perrito666: happy holiday :)
[20:22] <perrito666> tx, its carnival :D
[20:22] <katco> fun times
[20:22] <perrito666> though since cellphones we can no longer have as much fun :p
[20:22] <katco> lol because of cameras everywhere?
[20:22] <perrito666> and well there is the fact that being a grown up I no longer have one of those wather proof wallets
[20:23] <perrito666> katco: because of cellphones not being nice with wather
[20:23] <katco> ah
[20:23] <perrito666> when I was a kid you would walk pass a neigborhood with kids an they would splash you throwing these small balloons filled with wather
[20:25] <katco> yeah that would not be too fun with an expensive computer in your pocket
[20:29] <ericsnow-dentist> be back online ~1 hour
[21:09] <anastasiamac> CI is blocked... still :(
[21:18] <thumper> again
[21:18] <thumper> not still
[21:45] <alexisb> menn0, you available for a call at the top of the hour?
[21:46] <menn0> alexisb: yep
[21:46] <alexisb> thumper, ^^?
[21:46] <thumper> sure
[21:46] <thumper> call about?
[21:46] <alexisb> this re the issue menn0 worked last week
[21:46] <thumper> ok
[21:47] <alexisb> and menn0 we are not volunteering you for anything but we need to determine next step for the customer
[22:49] <alexisb> wwitzel3, ping
[22:49] <wwitzel3> alexisb: pong
[22:50] <alexisb> wwitzel3, nevermind, I see #juju
[23:08] <whit> any know issues with upgrading local charms in 1.22-beta3-trusty-amd64?
[23:08]  * whit is experiencing a hang on aws
[23:14] <sinzui> whit, nonw
[23:14] <sinzui> none
[23:14] <sinzui> whit, these are the known issues https://launchpad.net/juju-core/+milestone/1.22-beta4
[23:14] <whit> ok, I'll report it
[23:29] <ericsnow> sinzui: FYI, I don't think bugs #1403243 and #1391276 apply to 1.22 and 1.23.
[23:29] <mup> Bug #1403243: juju-backup restarts rabbitmq, reconnect is unstable <canonical-bootstack> <canonical-is> <cts> <upgrade-juju> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1403243>
[23:29] <mup> Bug #1391276: a terminated juju backup can leaves server in a dirty state <backup-restore> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1391276>
[23:30] <ericsnow> sinzui: also, why is #1399310 marked as high priority?
[23:30] <mup> Bug #1399310: The code in apiserver/backup.go belongs in apiserver/backups. <backup-restore> <tech-debt> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1399310>
[23:31] <thumper> I think it is hilarious that google docs is happy with rick_h, fwereade, and niemeyer, but thinks that mramm is a misspelling
[23:31] <perrito666> lol
[23:33] <sinzui> ericsnow Tour welcome to lower them. bug 1391276 is high because some of our customers might be upset if they cannot backup and restore as cts advises
[23:33] <mup> Bug #1391276: a terminated juju backup can leaves server in a dirty state <backup-restore> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1391276>
[23:34] <sinzui> ericsnow, if you know a bug is  not high, you can mark it as such when you report it
[23:35] <ericsnow> sinzui: I did (for #1399310) :)
[23:35] <mup> Bug #1399310: The code in apiserver/backup.go belongs in apiserver/backups. <backup-restore> <tech-debt> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1399310>
[23:36] <sinzui> ericsnow, but you didn't remove the bug from the milestone.
[23:36] <ericsnow> sinzui: ah


[09:14] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:59] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[10:01] <brobostigon> o/
[10:01] <zmoylan-pi> now time to get up and check to see if my lottery ticket turned into a pumpkin overnight... :-)
[10:02] <brobostigon> :)
[10:28] <zmoylan-pi> confirmed.... enough winnings to buy a nokia 3310 3g :-)
[10:29] <brobostigon> thats about 50quid then.
[10:29] <zmoylan-pi> €80 here in the republic
[10:30] <brobostigon> ah.
[10:30] <zmoylan-pi> 2g version is 50 quid in uk and 3g is abit pricier
[10:31] <zmoylan-pi> a 4g version is coming out in china to make your sms even faster :-)
[10:31] <brobostigon> :)
[10:36] <zmoylan-pi> and nokia have become #3 phone seller in uk in last few months... so not bad for a company killed by ms...
[10:37] <brobostigon> :)
[10:37] <brobostigon> nokia/hmd
[10:38] <zmoylan-pi> yes well there are a few /nokias/ now... nokia-nokia the original, ms nokia *spit*, hmd nokia... and i think foxconn have a nokia brand they can use in china...
[10:39] <brobostigon> and it definitly helps that they seem to be keeping their phones well up to date, unlike most phone manifacturers.
[10:39] <zmoylan-pi> not a lot of nokia in that... :-P
[10:39] <brobostigon> good point.
[10:39] <zmoylan-pi> nice to see a company i really like bounce back post elop
[10:39] <brobostigon> definitly.
[10:39] <zmoylan-pi> and having made a few billion off ms... not many companies do that and survive
[10:40] <brobostigon> quite.
[11:03] <zmoylan-pi> only apple springs to mind when ms invested in them when jobs went back in the 90s... apple did rather well out of that i hear... :-P
[11:06] <zmoylan-pi> ...right off to collect winnings and phone... o/
[11:06] <brobostigon> :)
[11:07] <brobostigon> :12
[11:07] <brobostigon> woops
[18:38]  * zmoylan-pi watches nokia 3310 charge... and waits... and waits...
[18:45] <daftykins> it's akin to a kettle, right?
[18:46] <zmoylan-pi> not really, if i dropped a kettle it might get dented.... :-)
[18:47] <daftykins> a friend had that crazy CAT smartphone with the built in FLIR last night
[18:47] <daftykins> we had fun over the restaurant table looking at how warm each others faces were
[18:47] <Nafallo> daftykins: you went for indian? :-)
[18:48] <daftykins> nah, www.slaughterhouse.gg
[18:48] <zmoylan-pi> oh yeah, i saw pics from one on imgur... guy took a pic and was terrified when a glass door reflected his heat back and made it look like an intruder...
[18:48] <Nafallo> lol
[18:49] <zmoylan-pi> see if they had a nokia in their hand, they'd have +2 bludgeon weapon rating... :-P
[18:49] <daftykins> some fine pork ribs, om nom nom
[19:35] <penguin42> daftykins: I wish I had one of those FLIR things after my encounter with a scalding 13A plug last week
[19:43] <zmoylan-pi> you'd have to wear it strapped to your face to pick up on that though...
[19:46] <penguin42> well, I was looking for what was causing the hot smell
[19:47] <zmoylan-pi> ooooh, good point...
[19:47] <zmoylan-pi> flush out a predator maybe... :-P
[19:52] <zmoylan-pi> the cold drives them inside... we know they like heat... :-D
[21:44] <Nokaji> how do I configure an additional internal drive so I can write to it? - long time since I had to do this
[21:48] <Nokaji> ext3/ext4, currently partitioned but no data
[21:49] <brobostigon> look up the rw flag for mount. :)
[21:49] <Nokaji> okie ... I rememeber something about setting 1000 or maybe 1001 but I can go form there, ty
[21:50] <brobostigon> yw.
[21:51] <brobostigon> but yes also your user needs rw permissions to it as well, as well as telling mount you can read and write to and from it.
[21:53] <Nokaji> Ah ... it's all coming back to me :) ... user and group or something
[21:53] <brobostigon> but nominally if you mounted said internal drive with something like nautilus, which will use fuse, it will do all that for you.
[21:53] <Nokaji> time for a break ... and a drink to er ... celebrate
[21:53] <brobostigon> :)
[21:53] <Nokaji> Oh
[21:54] <Nokaji> I seem to remember it worked for a coupla reboots then no access ... was a while back so could be mistaken
[22:21] <ali1234> penguin42: adafruit has an 8x8 FLIR camera
[22:22] <ali1234> it's really cheap. like £20 i think
[22:23] <ali1234> i've been trying to get the webcam gadget driver working so i can make a FLIR webcam, but it seems to be broken, or the documentation is out of date, i dunno
[23:22] <penguin42> ali1234: Interesting, is it much more use than the IR thermometers?
[23:23] <ali1234> i don't know, i haven't seen it work yet
[23:23] <ali1234> https://www.adafruit.com/product/3538
[23:26] <penguin42> hmm the component by itself without the regultor and shifting is about £15-20
[23:27] <penguin42> (from a normal UK supplier, or £78 on ebay!)
[23:30] <ali1234> it just about fits in the official pi zero case https://photos.app.goo.gl/z5uDCvCFhoByJ5bi1
[23:30] <penguin42> ali1234: Probably not high enough res for cat  recognition
[23:30] <ali1234> probably not but it would work for finding burning plugs :)
[23:30] <penguin42> true :-)
[23:31] <ali1234> i plan to overlay the thermal image on the regular camera image with gstreamer, and then re-expose the result through a USB gadget device
[23:34] <penguin42> nod
[23:34] <penguin42> (Panasonics data sheet points out it's under export regs, I believe that's part of what limits the resolution/update rate available)
[23:35] <ali1234> figures
[23:35] <ali1234> i bought it from pimoroni anyway


[04:23] <studio-user133> my US install is taking forever making filesystems in an lvm vg. but mkfs doesn't show up in the list of running processes. dmesg doesn't show anythign funny. how can I tell if it's actually making progress?
[17:19] <nstewart> can I specify swap partition size while still allowing the US installer to do its own partitioning?
[17:24] <drmacro> Does the desktop in UBStudio 16.04 preclude the use of remote desktop?
[20:39] <Chimpador> hola