[06:54] <A|i> when i enable compiz, i don't see: Option "Composite" "Enable", in my xorg.conf?
[06:54] <A|i> (ati radeon 9600, ubuntu 9.04, xorg driver)
[06:56] <Duke`> check in Xorg.0.log for COMPOSITE
[06:57] <A|i> Duke`, maybe zorg 7.4 doesn't need that?
[06:59] <Duke`> this option is probably automatically enabled, look in your Xorg.0.log
[06:59] <A|i> Duke`, thanks, it is
[06:59] <Duke`> it's the case for intel
[06:59] <A|i> Duke`, i have very slow scrolling in firefox though
[06:59] <tjaalton> hasn't been needed for a long time
[07:00] <A|i> i tried Option "MigrationHeuristic" "greedy", but scroll is not smooth at all
[07:34] <tjaalton> A|i: dunno, maybe the upcoming xserver 1.6.2 might help with exa performance
[07:34] <A|i> tjaalton, any idea when is it due to?
[07:37] <tjaalton> this week, but not coming to 9.04
[07:38] <A|i> tjaalton, so we have to wait for 9.10?
[07:38] <tjaalton> although it'll likely end up in a ppa where you can install it from
[12:44] <tjaalton> bryce: what do you think if failsafe would be reworked to just move the conffile out of the way if it causes trouble? the server handles fallbacks in that case anyway
[12:47] <jcristau> tjaalton: can you file a debian bug for this fdi thing?
[12:50] <tjaalton> jcristau: I can "forward" the ubuntu bug, there's the proper explanation about it
[12:51] <tjaalton> jcristau: also, if xserver-xorg postinst for some reason fails to restart hal, the configuration fails.. maybe it should continue regardless?
[12:52] <jcristau> why would hal restart fail?
[12:53] <seb128> does it makes a difference?
[12:53] <tjaalton> I don't know, but for instance in bug 393948 it happened to someone
[12:54] <seb128> it happened on the buildds yesterday too, sysfs was used or something
[12:54] <seb128> +not
[12:54] <jcristau> on buildds invoke-rc.d should be a nop
[12:54] <seb128> in any case package installs should be robust, there is no reason an upgrade should break if a service doesn't start
[13:04] <tjaalton> jcristau: bug sent
[13:04] <tjaalton> now tennis ->
[13:16] <jcristau> tjaalton: btw i sent a [vac] message to d-private, as i'll be busy with rl stuff for the next months
[15:36] <tjaalton> jcristau: oh, I guess congrats are in order then ;)
[15:38] <jcristau> hmm?
[15:39] <jcristau> if you're thinking child, then no.  just need to write my phd thesis, and i can't do that and maintain X in debian at the same time :)
[15:41] <tjaalton> no I mean taking some time off, for whatever the reason :)
[15:41] <jcristau> hah
[15:55] <jcristau> tjaalton: it's not really time off :)
[16:30] <tjaalton> jcristau:
[16:30] <tjaalton> uh
[16:31] <tjaalton> jcristau: I know.. I need to get cracking with my master's next month
[18:03] <bryce> tjaalton, with failsafe x, maybe we ought to re-analyze what situations it is actually useful for
[18:04] <bryce> tjaalton, like, if it is to get around driver bugs, then moving xorg.conf aside would not help much, but if it is mainly for goofed up xorg.conf syntax, then yeah
[18:09] <tjaalton> bryce: right
[18:10] <tjaalton> I don't know if the fallbacks work in the first scenario
[18:11] <tjaalton> although I believe they should
[18:11] <tjaalton> and in that case failsafe would be suited for the second scenario
[18:15] <Ng> how much do we care about 2.6.31 producing an i915 related oops immediately on booting?
[18:15] <tjaalton> not much
[18:15] <tjaalton> :)
[18:15] <tjaalton> happens here too
[18:15] <tjaalton> probably best wait for rc2
[18:15] <Ng> yeah I figured a first upload would be a bit rough :)
[18:16] <tjaalton> also, once X tries to start, the driver says "no modes"
[18:16] <tjaalton> and fails there
[18:16] <tjaalton> kms works though
[18:17] <Ng> mine didn't even get as far as kms, it was just right after grub it exploded
[18:25] <tjaalton> did you wait long enough?
[18:25] <tjaalton> my boot takes several minutes
[20:20] <Sarvatt> hmm i've been getting alot of these errors during boot since somewhere around 2.6.30-git11 and it makes my touchpad get detected as a generic mouse until i rmmod psmouse/modprobe psmouse atkbd.c: Spurious NAK on isa0060/serio0. Some program might be trying access hardware directly.
[20:21] <Sarvatt> happens like every third boot
[20:21] <maxb> Sarvatt: I'm getting occasional misdetection of my touchpad too, but I don't think I've seen those errors, do I need to turn up some debugging level somewhere?
[20:22] <maxb> oh, no, I'm just unobservant - I *do* get that error
[20:22] <Sarvatt> time to dig through kernel.org bugzilla to see if theres anything about it
[20:24] <maxb> Don't know if this helps at all, but I've seen two different failure modes: sometimes detected as "PS/2 Generic Mouse", other times detected as "PS/2 Synaptics TouchPad" NB not "SynPS/2" which is what it's supposed to be, and is on a good boot
[20:24] <maxb> For me it's happening only 1 in 10 boots or so
[20:27] <Sarvatt> ah hah
[20:27] <Sarvatt> are you on a netbook too maxb?
[20:27] <Sarvatt> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/dtor/input.git;a=blobdiff;f=drivers/input/serio/i8042-x86ia64io.h;h=924e8ed7f2cf777f5d48767c18d5618027c031e6;hp=fb8a3cd3ffd0ab4685e8e68f5f14b07068266b94;hb=9230ccb1071d2d7e4ecb6314e67203b9f7f08140;hpb=eef3e4cab72eaf5345e3c73b2975c194a714f6cd
[20:27] <Sarvatt> crap, that is matching Acer as well as AOA150 DMI's
[20:27] <Sarvatt> I'm using the gateway bios so mine shows as Gateway AOA150
[20:28] <Sarvatt> going to send him an email
[20:36] <maxb> Mine's an Acer AOA150
[20:36] <Sarvatt> that explains it
[20:36] <Sarvatt> it'll be fixed by that commit
[20:36] <Sarvatt> not in linus' tree yet though
[20:37] <maxb> Weird thing is that I only ever noticed this problem starting from 2.6.30-10
[20:44] <Sarvatt> i dont know what i8042_dmi_reset_table does yet, might be an option we can add to /etc/modprobe.d/ to do the equivalent of what its doing in that commit
[20:46] <Sarvatt> ah boot with i8042.reset=1 on the grub command line maxb
[20:48] <bryce> any opinions on whether we should just expire out the xfree86-driver-synaptics bugs, or transfer them to xserver-xorg-input-synaptics?
[20:48] <Sarvatt> my grub additional options stanza is getting rediculious here, quiet enable_mtrr_cleanup mtrr_spare_reg_nr=1 pcie_aspm=force i8042.reset=1
[20:48] <bryce> there are 19 bugs
[20:48] <Sarvatt> enable_mtrr_cleanup mtrr_spare_reg_nr=1 is required on AOA150 to have mtrrs for video if you arent using it btw maxb
[20:49] <tjaalton> bryce: it's the same driver, just renamed, so maybe best to transfer them
[20:50] <jbarnes> hm latest bits won't let me enable compiz
[20:50] <jbarnes> even though compiz --replace works fine from a terminal
[20:50] <bryce> okie
[20:52] <maxb> Sarvatt: I only get the PS/2 issue on 1 in 10 boots anyway, so it's a bit hard to test for me
[20:52] <maxb> Sarvatt: erm, what's a MTRR and how would I know if I wanted one? :-)
[20:53] <Sarvatt> well just add i8042.reset=1 to /etc/default/grub, it'll fix it up and will happen automatically here soon anyhow
[20:53] <bryce> maxb, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Glossary
[20:54] <Sarvatt> cat /proc/mtrr
[20:56] <Sarvatt> when you boot with enable_mtrr_cleanup it tells you mtrr 7 is filled with bogus data and you've got a buggy bios
[20:58] <maxb> ok.... so what practical effect should I be looking for when adding these options? Is it simply a matter of enabling a faster way of talking to the GPU ?
[20:58] <Sarvatt> [    0.000000] WARNING: BIOS bug: VAR MTRR 7 contains strange UC entry under 1M, check with your system vendor!
[20:59] <maxb> I don't see that in my dmesg
[20:59] <maxb> [    0.000000]   7 base 000000000 mask 0FFFE0000 uncachable
[20:59] <Sarvatt> yeah enable_mtrr_cleanup shows that
[21:00] <Sarvatt> mtrr_spare_reg_nr=1 makes it clean things up so theres a spare one available for the GPU to open a WC one for X
[21:01] <Sarvatt> you dont notice like, slow scrolling speed for firefox and stuff?
[21:01] <maxb> So essentially "make it possible to turn write-combining on" ?
[21:01] <Sarvatt> yep
[21:02] <maxb> my scrolling seems fine
[21:03]  * maxb fiddles with grub cfg
[21:04] <Sarvatt> you do it in /etc/default/grub now then update-grub2 after if you dont want to lose it next time you update-grub :D
[21:05] <Sarvatt> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="x" line in there
[21:05] <maxb> !
[21:05] <maxb> New to me
[21:06] <maxb> Though on the netbook I'm manually maintaining the menu.lst since it's triple-boot intrepid/jaunty/karmic
[21:07] <Sarvatt> ah yeah goes in the # defoptions= line in there
[21:08] <tjaalton> uh, so .31 is now the default kernel
[21:08] <Sarvatt> glxgears fps will double, not that thats indicative of anything :D
[21:08] <Sarvatt> yeah, and nvidia doesnt compile under it, fun stuff
[21:09] <bryce> wee
[21:10] <Sarvatt> and a large number of systems cant even boot it because of the null dereference in acpi_get_pci_dev() that was fixed right after
[21:10] <bryce> have the -intel pci quirks been ported into the kernel yet?
[21:10] <maxb> Sarvatt: well, I get the WARNING you mention, but I don't observe subjectively any performance difference.
[21:11] <Sarvatt> do you see a write-combining mtrr covering your video ram when you cat /proc/mtrr now?
[21:12] <maxb> There's a write-combining one base=1G size=256M - sounds likely?
[21:12] <maxb> though it's reg4 not reg7
[21:13] <Sarvatt> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=412af97838828bc6d035a1902c8974f944663da6 -- those systems cant even boot 31-rc1
[21:19] <maxb> Sarvatt: In conclusion I see about a 25% improvement in glxgears fps with the mtrr cleanup. Apparently that's not enough to be perceptible in my usual workloads
[21:20] <maxb> but thanks for the tip regardless :-)
[21:21] <maxb> ooh, my keyboard doesn't work in 31-rc1
[21:22] <Sarvatt> it was really noticible on jaunty's 2.6.28 kernel, firefox scrolling speed and video playback were horrible. not so noticible now for some reason but at least that way its working as intended :D
[21:24] <maxb> Very timely advice Sarvatt, I seem to need i8042.reset=1 to make my keyboard work in 31-rc1
[21:24] <maxb> :-)
[21:24] <Sarvatt> :D
[21:24] <Sarvatt> that'll be fixed by rc2 hopefully if linus pulls dtor's input tree by then
[21:25] <Sarvatt> it'll force i8042.reset=1 for Acer AOA150's
[21:27] <maxb> ah, keyboard sometimes works without. I guess it's a new manifestation of the same issue affecting the synaptics
[21:30] <Sarvatt> i'm using evdev 2.2.99 and dont have any problems with the keyboard not starting up, wonder if its some change in there in that case
[21:31] <Sarvatt> we have the same system after all
[22:19] <proti> morning
[22:19]  * bryce waves
[22:20]  * proti waves too :-)
[22:21] <proti> Need some help with intel kms...
[22:21] <proti> At boot I get black screen immediately.
[22:21] <tjaalton> problem in the current kernel
[22:21] <tjaalton> .31 ftw
[22:21] <proti> Problem since 2.6.29-10.
[22:22] <tjaalton> ok..
[22:22] <proti> X fails to start.
[22:23] <proti> Says (EE) intel(0): Incorrect KMS mode.
[22:23] <proti> On karmic koala of course.
[22:25] <proti> The funniest thing is that the machines boots ok, and shuting down the laptop shows the splash screen.
[22:30] <proti> X.0.log is there http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/207743/
[22:31] <proti> And kern.log is here http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/207745/
[22:38] <bryce> Sarvatt, your -synaptics debdiff is uploaded
[22:49] <proti> Hum, seems that the kernel sets is wrong. '[drm] LVDS-8: set mode 0x0 19'
[23:21] <jbarnes> pitti made my day... then rained on it :p


[00:58] <ScottK> cjwatson: Particularly for things like the installer I think there is zero reason to be concerned about supporting python < 2.7.
[13:11] <cjwatson> bug 864618 - anyone else think this is RC?
[13:11] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 864618 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "UTF-8 locale no longer set (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/864618
[13:13] <infinity> cjwatson: Quite.
[13:15] <infinity> cjwatson: I'm curious why 'locale -a' returns *.utf8 rather than *.UTF-8, though.
[13:16] <infinity> cjwatson: Given that we use the other naming nearly universally, wouldn't we want that tool to output the same format?
[13:17] <cjwatson> s'always been like that ...
[13:18] <infinity> Not saying it hasn't.  Just curious. :P
[13:18] <cjwatson> I think .utf8 is glibc's preferred internal naming but .UTF-8 is what you see in SUPPORTED
[13:18] <cjwatson> personally I see it as a good thing because it makes sure people NOTICE if they break locale aliases
[13:18] <infinity> Heh.
[13:19] <infinity> Well, hunting the bit that broke lightdm should be easy enough.
[13:19] <Laney> I see "[+6.73s] DEBUG: Failed to find locale for language en
[13:19] <infinity> As for the jasper thing, I think I might just sprinkle some syncs in and see if that magically fixes it.
[13:20] <cjwatson>     - Add ability to set the language of a user from the greeter (LP: #803858)
[13:20] <cjwatson>     - Set LANG variable based on the user language
[13:20] <cjwatson>     - Add language selector into GTK greeter (disabled by default)
[13:20] <cjwatson> fairly significant set of additions
[13:21] <infinity> Just confuses me a tad that it's not trusting PAM's return and just going with it.
[13:22] <infinity> So, entirely off-topic, but does anyone know off-hand if 'mount -o remount,ro /foo' forces a sync?
[15:11] <infinity> ^--- accepted that libav upstream version bump with was basically just merging in the ~70 patches that were already in debian/patches, and then 2 or 3 small/isolated fixes.
[15:12] <infinity> Seemed like a sensible thing to do so the security team would have a stable version to play with, rather than a stable version plus 70 cherry-picks.
[17:57] <slangasek> nvidia-graphics-drivers - hurrah
[18:00] <infinity> Those aren't words oft-uttered.
[18:02] <slangasek> dude, console-setup, what's the deal
[18:03] <slangasek> why does your build make my laptop overheat
[18:04] <slangasek> yes, my ACPI tables are screwed up, but why is *console-setup* running hotter than running gcc? :P
[18:09] <stgraber> slangasek: is your laptop shutting down because of overheat?
[18:09] <slangasek> yes
[18:09] <stgraber> is it also doing it when AC is unplugged?
[18:09] <slangasek> I've got screwed up values in my ACPI, the critical threshold is lower than the passive cooling threshold
[18:09] <slangasek> so the first time the kernel knows there's a problem is when ACPI tells it to panic-shutdown :P
[18:11] <stgraber> yeah, I had a similar issue on my x201s until I noticed my power management setting was set to "performance" when on AC, setting that to the same value (don't remember) as when on battery "fixed" it
[18:11] <stgraber> I can now happily 3 installs in kvm, do some other work and not have my laptop shutdown every 5 minutes
[18:12] <slangasek> what "power management setting" do you mean?
[18:13] <stgraber> some value in the BIOS power management section
[18:13] <slangasek> it's ridiculous that there is any setting that would give this behavior
[18:13] <slangasek> ok, next time it powers off I'll have a look :)
[18:13] <slangasek> the other thing is that the fan fails to spin up appropriately
[18:13] <slangasek> levels 0-7 are all "meh"
[18:14] <slangasek> only disengaged/full-speed actually pushes any air :P
[18:14] <slangasek> (and thinkfan doesn't support specifying full-speed :P)
[18:16] <stgraber> fun. apparently that's one issue the x201s doesn't share with the x201, my fan seems to work fine (set to auto and running at 4531rpm according to /proc/acpi/ibm/fan)
[18:31] <slangasek> apparently it's ckbcomp that chews the CPU up.  Really efficient, or really inefficient?
[18:39] <stgraber> yeah! just reinstalled my server at home on Oneiric (used to be Hardy) using a single stack IPv6 network. Only issue I noticed was archive.u.c not having a AAAA record so had to switch to uk.archive.u.c
[18:55] <slangasek> whee, 'totextmode' works for bug #864466
[18:55] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 864466 in kbd (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 3 other projects) "break=foo boot option incompatible with gfxpayload=keep (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/864466
[18:57] <slangasek> oh, doh, no it doesn't
[18:57] <slangasek> it just looked like it did because plymouth was being helpful :P
[19:05] <slangasek> ah right, because totextmode didn't actually get copied to the initramfs
[19:26] <cjwatson> slangasek: I tried to optimise ckbcomp earlier in the cycle, but ran out of time ...
[19:27] <cjwatson> argh, why does oneiric now want to suspend my laptop every time I step away from it for a while
[19:27] <infinity> Because GNOME knows best?
[19:27] <infinity> Don't question it.
[19:29] <slangasek> cjwatson: because the GNOME3 default sleep policy is ridiculous - though fortunately we at least now have a setting to change the policy
[19:29] <cjwatson> I went into System Settings -> Power after the last time it happened and told it not to do this.  It did it again.
[19:30] <slangasek> hmm
[19:30] <slangasek> perhaps the setting isn't wired up correctly then
[19:30] <cjwatson> I suppose it might be confused by apparently thinking I have two batteries
[19:31] <infinity> Do you?
[19:32] <cjwatson> No
[19:32] <stgraber> cjwatson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/701188/
[19:33] <stgraber> I gave up trying to do it through the UI last time...
[19:33] <cjwatson> stgraber: ah, thanks!
[19:33] <cjwatson> I'm sure this won't bother any of our users at all
[19:34] <cjwatson> err.
[19:35] <slangasek> well, the UI is supposed to address precisely those settings; if it's not doing so, I'd say that's a critical bug
[19:35] <slangasek> I have these settings here:
[19:35] <slangasek> org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power sleep-inactive-ac false
[19:35] <slangasek> org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power sleep-inactive-ac-timeout 1800
[19:35] <slangasek> org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power sleep-inactive-ac-type 'nothing'
[19:37] <infinity> Does the UI not touch all the settings that stgraber pastebinned?
[19:37] <infinity> If it's exposing them but not actually setting them, that's unpleasant.
[19:38] <cjwatson> slangasek: I had those values for sleep-inactive-ac and sleep-inactive-ac-timeout before, but sleep-inactive-ac-type was set to 'suspend'
[19:39] <cjwatson> is it possible that that was introduced after an upgrade and not migrated properly?  maybe the UI would have done it if I'd changed to something else and back again
[19:39] <stgraber> infinity: there's the "Suspend when inactive for:" in the power section of gnome-control-center but at least at some point this week it wasn't setting it properly...
[19:39] <infinity> Grand.
[19:40] <infinity> Perhaps we should be testing that control panel with some vigor on upgraded and fresh systems?
[19:40] <slangasek> infinity: dunno, I haven't tested, I already set it by hand before the GUI existed
[19:40] <stgraber> some actions are also missing from the UI. I kind of like my screen to just go blank when I close the lid but that option isn't in the drop down (though it's a valid value in the gsettings schema)
[19:40] <infinity> Surprising suspend behaviour is one of the nastier user experiences. :/
[19:41] <cjwatson> if I change sleep-inactive-ac-type to 'nothing' and then tell it to suspend after 1 hour in the UI, it remains at 'nothing'
[19:41] <cjwatson> bug 864479
[19:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 864479 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "System goes to hibernate or suspend even when set to "Don't suspend" (affects: 4) (heat: 20)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/864479
[19:42] <cjwatson> shall I crank the priority on that and milestone it?
[19:42] <slangasek> IMHO yes
[19:42] <slangasek> (though probably -updates material at this point?){
[19:42] <cjwatson> depends how big a change it is?
[19:43] <slangasek> I'd like to see the schema fixed as well to give a sensible default policy on AC :P
[19:44] <cjwatson> that would be a separate bug I think ...
[19:44] <cjwatson> (though I agree)
[19:44] <infinity> slangasek / cjwatson: Can I get one of you to review 'bzr diff /home/adconrad/debian-cd/' on antimony?
[19:46] <infinity> Should fix the short image bugs I was seeing.
[19:46] <cjwatson> um, well, the code's OK, I really can't vouch for accuracy of what it's intended to do ...
[19:46] <infinity> And then I can get back to fixing jasper. :P
[19:46] <infinity> cjwatson: The problem, in both cases, was that no one was accounting for the "reserved blocks" before the boot/ext partitions.
[19:47] <infinity> cjwatson: On mx5, that's 1 sector, on omap, that's one track (32 sectors).
[19:47] <infinity> Represented by these two errors:
[19:48] <infinity> [164532.491847] EXT4-fs (sdb3): bad geometry: block count 1580032 exceeds size of device (1580031 blocks)
[19:48] <infinity> [145254.594400] EXT4-fs (sdb2): bad geometry: block count 1505280 exceeds size of device (1505264 blocks)
[19:48] <infinity> (Note those are in 1k blocks, not 512 byte, hence the count being a bit confusing)
[19:49] <infinity> That is EXT4 is whining in 1k blocks, but the debian-cd code is in 512 byte sectors.
[19:50] <stgraber> looking at the code of the power configuration plugin, the state of sleep-inactive-battery seems to change the value of sleep-inactive-battery-timeout but not the other way around. So having sleep-inactive-battery=False will set sleep-inactive-battery-timeout=0 but choosing sleep-inactive-battery-timeout=0 in the drop-down won't set sleep-inactive-battery=False
[19:51] <cjwatson> infinity: seems plausible, then
[19:51] <infinity> cjwatson: I can live with plausible.
[19:51] <cjwatson> stgraber: sleep-inactive-battery was set to false for me, so I don't think that's my problem
[19:52] <slangasek> stgraber: but is sleep-inactive-{ac,battery} even the right key, or does it need sleep-inactive-{ac,battery}-type?
[19:52] <infinity> cjwatson: It can't actually make it more broken to add more space.  I'm just hoping all the cross-eyed reading made me get the right amount. ;)
[19:52] <cjwatson> stgraber: (well, -ac)
[19:52] <cjwatson> infinity: right, makes sense
[19:53]  * infinity wonders if checking to see if /usr/lib/klibc/bin/reboot takes a --help argument will lead to his system rebooting.
[19:53] <infinity> ... and maybe I'll try on another computer. :P
[19:54] <stgraber> cjwatson: Poking through the UI I actually see both sleep-inactive-battery and sleep-inactive-battery-timeout being updated to the right value ... that gsettings stuff is way too magical. The only key that's not changed is sleep-inactive-battery-type but it shouldn't need to be changed anyway...
[19:54] <cjwatson> infinity: I think it might actually give you a usage message by coincidence
[19:55] <cjwatson> looking at the code
[19:55] <stgraber> slangasek: I'd have expected timeout=0 + option being set to False to be enough for it not to do anything but maybe that's where the bug actually is :)
[19:55] <cjwatson> stgraber: well, -type is what your paste changes
[19:55] <cjwatson> stgraber: I guess I'll find out after the next time I come back to my laptop
[19:56] <infinity> cjwatson: It did, yes.  Not a terribly helpful one.
[19:56]  * infinity goes to look at the code instead.
[19:57] <stgraber> ok, grabbing gnome-settings-daemon's code then as gnome-control-center seems to do what it's supposed to
[20:15] <cjwatson> bug 864787 - d'oh
[20:15] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 864787 in ntfs-3g (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 1 other project) "Cannot mmap file /usr/lib/libntfs-3g.so (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/864787
[20:15] <cjwatson> will fix tomorrow
[22:23] <infinity> slangasek / ScottK / anyone: Around for a quick review of jasper-initramfs for me?
[22:23] <infinity> Maybe I should have asked that when we weren't horribly netsplit. :P
[22:24] <infinity> slangasek / ScottK / anyone: Around for a quick review of jasper-initramfs for me?
[22:26] <infinity> cjwatson: Or you, if you're not asleep or otherwise occupied? :)
[22:30] <infinity> We really need a way to make cron.daily not run for a day after installation.  I have it running right now during oem-config-remove (yeah, I don't even have a login yet) and apt-xapian-destroyer-of-worlds is pretty much just telling me where to go and how to get there.
[22:40] <slangasek> infinity: 'service cron stop' during the install maybe?
[22:41] <infinity> slangasek: Maybe.  Would be nice to avoid it for some undetermined amount of time post-install too, though.
[22:41] <infinity> If your very first user experience is "everything is slow", it kinda sucks.
[22:42] <infinity> I assume it's anacron going "holy crap, we haven't booted in FOREVER" and just firing everything.
[22:42] <slangasek> hmm
[22:44] <slangasek> I'd rather we figure out if we're running things we shouldn't need to and stop doing that, than just deferring everything 24h and leaving stuff out of date
[22:44] <infinity> See -devel too.
[22:45] <infinity> But yeah, I don't think a universal defer is sane.
[22:45] <infinity> And I think that if you happen to install at 4am, or whenever daily is MEANT to happen, sucks to be you.
[22:45] <infinity> But anacron running daily unconditionally after install is broken.
[22:46] <infinity> Or during install, even.
[22:47] <infinity> oem-config-remove-gtk timed out a dbus call due to apt-xapian.  Oh dear.
[22:47] <infinity> So, part of the problem here is installing a desktop OS to an SD card on a cell phone.
[22:48] <infinity> But still, this can't be pleasant on desktop hardware either, just less awful.
[22:48] <Laney> Don't we run under {,io}nice?
[22:49] <infinity> We, being.. The installer?
[22:49] <infinity> Niced up or down?
[22:49] <Laney> Jobs spawned from anacron. Niced to be ... nice
[22:49] <infinity> Oh, yes.
[22:49] <infinity> Generally.
[22:50] <infinity> But on slow systems, now amount of nice can fix this sort of thing.
[22:50] <infinity> s/now/no/
[22:51] <stgraber> "nice ionice -c3 update-apt-xapian-index -q" (from cron.daily/apt) but that's probably not enough on a system with very slow I/Os
[22:52] <infinity> It's really not.
[22:52] <Laney> I guess, yeah.
[22:52] <infinity> update-apt-xapian-index is vicious.
[22:52] <infinity> It brings some of my laptops and netbooks with real hard drives to their knees.
[22:52] <infinity> On SD, it's... Well... Hahaha is the only real description.
[22:53] <infinity> And part of that is mvo needing to profile the heck out of it, and he knows.
[22:53] <infinity> But I still think the general idea of "anacron running cron.daily within seconds of the install completing" is never going to be the best user experience.
[22:53] <stgraber> infinity: touching /var/lib/apt/periodic/update-stamp should be enough to delay it for a while
[22:54] <infinity> stgraber: That would solve the update-apt-xapian-index one, I guess?
[22:54] <infinity> stgraber: Which is the big one for now.
[22:54] <Laney> Still, having it delayed just long enough for you to get down to some real work also sucks.
[22:54] <infinity> (anacron is still the actual complaint for me, I think, but that workaround might be lightweight enough to even be doable for release)
[22:54] <stgraber> yep, that's the one being checked just before calling update-apt-xapian-index
[22:55] <Laney> you can probably touch /var/spool/anacron/cron.daily
[22:56] <infinity> I might do one or both of these as an ARM-only hack, if people aren't keen on doing it to, say, ubiquity.  But I'll toss it around tomorrow when people are "at work".
[22:57] <infinity> Thanks for the ideas and digging.
[22:57] <stgraber> I guess touching /var/spool/anacron/cron.daily just before unmounting /target in ubiquity would be a good way of avoiding most of the pain
[22:58] <infinity> Might need to happen earlier than that for the oem-config case.
[22:59] <infinity> What's the default delay for cron.daily?
[22:59] <Laney> Aaaargh. Why has my compose key mapping disappeared and where has the UI gone?
[22:59]  * Laney wonders why these things are breaking after final freeze
[23:00] <infinity> It'll fire 5 minutes after boot.
[23:00] <infinity> Yeah.  Maybe I'll just hack around it in jasper for ARM for now.
[23:01] <infinity> And revisit it in ubiquity later, when I can generalise an oem-config/live-install solution that works for both.
[23:01] <infinity> (Well, okay, I guess it's just touching it early if oem-config mode, and later if not, but whatever)
[23:01] <infinity> I have gin and tonic calling me.  Beckoning, even.


[02:24] <thumper> axw: got some time?
[02:24] <thumper> axw: I need to talk through some crazy
[02:24] <axw> thumper: sure
[02:25] <thumper> axw: https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/broken-magic
[02:54] <thumper> axw: you might be right on that stashing thing
[02:54] <axw> thumper: what did you find?
[02:54] <axw> I haven't found anything yet...
[02:54] <thumper> I just ran again on lxd
[02:55] <thumper> and before the machine could come up and write in, both had been set
[02:55] <thumper> so something else must cut in for it to operate differently
[02:55] <thumper> it is just a deduction thing,
[02:55] <thumper> there must be something
[02:55] <axw> thumper: can you pastebin that output for me?
[02:56] <axw> the ops you showed me before
[02:56] <thumper> axw: https://pastebin.canonical.com/206750/
[02:56] <thumper> oh... yeah
[02:56] <axw> ta
[02:57]  * thumper gets them
[02:57] <thumper> https://pastebin.canonical.com/206751/
[03:14] <axw> thumper: yup, the "u" field gets decoded as a bson.M. https://paste.ubuntu.com/26323241/
[03:14] <thumper> wow
[03:14] <thumper> the stash'll do it then
[03:14] <axw> it's a wonder it ever worked
[03:14] <thumper> yeah
[03:15] <thumper> probably a "feature"
[03:15] <thumper> for the bson.D that is
[03:18] <thumper> axw: pretty weird though that what it said it did, and what it actually did were still different.
[03:20] <thumper> axw: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8259
[03:56] <thumper> axw: mgo.v2/bson/encode.go:219
[03:56] <thumper> slices of DocElem types are treated like key, value pairs of a dict
[03:57] <thumper> then bson.decode gets the bson.M back out
[03:57] <thumper> anyway, patch landed
[03:57] <thumper> I'm at EOW
[03:57] <thumper> have a good one
[03:57] <axw> thumper: thanks, you too


[14:02] <miono> Can't get a KVM-guest installed through MaaS. It boots over PXE and runs some "stuff" as far as I can see, and then it gets to the reboot-stage, but if I then boot it to it's hd it still has the old OS.
[14:02] <miono> Does anyone have any pointers? I'm very new to this.
[15:56] <stormmore> At what stage is the machine, enlistment, commissioned, etc?


[00:14] <bet0x> Hello all
[00:15] <bet0x> anyone here experienced with USB Wifi?
[00:15]  * ObrienDave waves
[00:17] <bet0x> i'm using a Ralink RT3870 driver for a Signal King 10TN
[00:17] <bet0x> here is the log http://pastebin.com/raw/LNqJEnba of my wifi usb
[00:18] <bet0x> for a few seconds the antena did work (i saw it on my iwconfig) http://pastebin.com/raw/Ls7mBUWs then dissapear and kees like detecting the antena
  Couldn't find support for device at '/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb1/1-9': not supported by any plugin and keeps spamming this
[00:39] <bet0x> Bus 001 Device 115: ID 148f:3070 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT2870/RT3070 Wireless Adapter
[00:39] <bet0x> and there is
[00:39] <bet0x> still doesn't work
[00:39] <bet0x> lol
[00:59] <xubuntu140> Is there any way to reset a password on xubuntu?  If you don't remember what it is?
[00:59] <xubuntu140> When I reboot I don't see the grub menu...  I am logged in right now as a guest...
[01:00] <ObrienDave> yes, hang on a sec
[01:03] <ObrienDave> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/resetpassword
[01:04]  * bet0x moving from Xubuntu to LinuxMint
[01:06] <xubuntu140> thanks obrienDave, I don't see that menu option when I reboot... perhaps I need to have the drive be the first item in the boot list?
[01:06] <xubuntu140> this is a removeable drive in my windows machine... I used it for school..
[01:06] <ObrienDave> hold shift key during reboot
[01:07] <ObrienDave> that should get you grub
[01:08] <xubuntu140> I will try again...
[01:09] <ObrienDave> oh, you don't have a dual boot setup?
[01:52] <Legendre> hi hi
[01:53] <Legendre> having an issue here.. the "other" entry randomly disappers and reappears from my XFCE Aplications menus
[01:54] <Legendre> half the time it's there, half the time it's not. Can't make sense of it, and not sure where to look - where is that menu stored?
[01:54] <Unit193> Well, if there's nothing in it, then it'll remove the empty one.
[01:54] <Legendre> Oh no, it has multiple entries that come & go with it.. ;-)
[01:54] <Legendre> like all my VICE emulator executables
[01:54] <Unit193> Are you logging into the same session?
[01:55] <Legendre> yes
[01:55] <Legendre> I don't even log out.. it just comes & goes as it pleases.. very odd
[01:55] <Unit193> OK, you win.  That's odd indeed.  I'd poke with menulibre.
[01:56] <Unit193> And ~/.config/menus/ and ~/.local/share/applications/
[01:56] <Legendre> now what's menulibre about?
[01:59] <Unit193> Menu editor.
[02:00] <Legendre> https://nerp.net/~legendre/misc/no_other.png
[02:00] <Legendre> there's a scrot of it.. "no Other".. lol, it's nuts
[02:01] <Unit193> Oh sure I believe you.  I don't have one either, but also I have nothing that'd be in it.
[02:01] <Legendre> so is menulibre part of xfce?
[02:02] <Unit193> It's installed by default in Xubuntu, not exactly upstream Xfce but an Xubuntu one.
[02:02] <Legendre> ok weird, Other appears in the ML panel..
[02:02] <Legendre> so it sees the section, even tho it's not in the menu
[02:03] <Unit193> You can also alt+f2 → xfce4-panel -r  to restart the panel.
[02:03] <Legendre> ok
[02:03] <Unit193> And you can also check ~/.config/menus/ to see if it is hidden or whatnot.
[02:03] <Legendre> hey maybe you know this.. what is "Debian Sensible Browser"??
[02:03] <Legendre> there's nothing in ~/.config/menus
[02:04] <Legendre> well, other than a dummy file.. I mean to say.
[02:04] <Unit193> Basically, "default browser"
[02:05] <Unit193> There's sensible-editor,  sensible-pager,  and sensible-browser.
[02:06] <Legendre> ok, so then why isn;t it ever set?
[02:07] <Legendre> clicking on the 'web browser' in the meny just brings up a dialog - NOT my default browser?
[02:07] <Legendre> this has +never+ worked for me, in like 10 yrs.
[02:08] <Unit193> By default, if you hit  sensible-browser https://google.com  firefox will open to google.  I'd set it using exo-preferred-applications
[02:09] <Legendre> so it's not set by selecting a 'default' browser (from within the requesting browser) then?
[02:09] <Legendre> I tell Chrome I want it as default all the time, but it still won't launch as a default.
[02:09] <Unit193> Yeah, you want to use something else, update-alternatives for example.
[02:10] <Unit193> Or rather, the one I said before, exo.
[02:11] <Legendre> Ok, we have a clue here.. a big one. The 'Other' entry is FULL of weird garbage.
[02:11] <Legendre> my apps are there, along with all kinds of oddities..
[02:11] <Legendre> and none of the other menu categories look anything like this.. let me get a scrot of it.
[02:13] <Legendre> look at this crap.. https://nerp.net/~legendre/misc/corrupt_other.png
[02:14] <Legendre> what are all those orphan entries doing in there? I'm guessing that they are screwing with the parser in the menu code, and it can't form a menu of them so it punts and ignores the whole category
[02:15] <Unit193> That's fun.  I'd check ~/.local/share/applications/
[02:15] <Unit193> Heh, some of them seemed like bookmarks or Chrome addons even. :D
[02:16] <Legendre> 22 entries
[02:16] <Legendre> yeah, I know.. that eBay link is weird as shite
[02:17] <Legendre> ok then.. so +something+ is crapping in that Other section??
[02:17] <Legendre> what, is it the default for any item that has no defined place, then?
[02:18] <Legendre> I mean "other".. is it a catch-all?
[02:18] <Unit193> Well, if not defined, makes sense for 'other'
[02:18] <Legendre> cos that's what it's looking like atm
[02:20] <Legendre> right.. it's not an unreasonable assumption. But what, in my case, is allowing apps to drop turds like that into the menu on some semi-random basis?
[02:20] <Legendre> should I just manually remove all the ?? entries? What harm could that cause? =P
[02:21] <Unit193> Worth a shot!
[02:25] <Legendre> ok.. some it would NOT allow me to delete. I del'd all I could, then I xfce4-panel -r and the Other is back
[02:25] <Legendre> if nothing else, I think you put me on the right trail, here.. Thanks, man! =)
[02:26] <Unit193> Sure, glad I was able to help some..  Good luck with that.
[02:26] <Legendre> g/l with it is right.. lol
[02:28] <Legendre> funny part.. after using Xu for like almost 10 yrs, I decided to try the 'regular' Ubuntu. That was about two weeks ago, did a full install for eval on a fresh machine.
[02:29] <Legendre> I spent about 15 min trying to understand that idiotic menu system (where you have to like "search" for the app you want!?) and shitcanned it then and there. back to Xu
[02:29] <Unit193> If you've been upgrading a lot, you may want to re-install or at least majorly clean out cruft.
[02:29] <Legendre> Oh I only +ever+ do clean reinstalls..
[02:29] <Legendre> ubgrade == evil and bad for me
[02:30] <Legendre> I usually give the latest LTR a year or so to mature, then back-up and reload everything.
[02:31] <Legendre> a year / a few months, whatever it feels like.. you know. I'm not an early adopter, I let others do that for me.
[02:32] <Legendre> again thanks for your kind assistance - and have a great new year! =)
[02:33] <Unit193> You as well, whenever it hits if it isn't yet.
[02:33] <Legendre> 20:33 CST here
[02:33] <Legendre> so about 3.5 hrs out
[05:55] <CholbyShill> hi
[05:55] <CholbyShill> my coffee maker's broke and needs a new os
[05:55] <CholbyShill> does xubuntu support java
[07:04] <Yato> happy new year #xubuntu !
[07:44] <Legendre> LIKEWISE
[07:44] <Legendre> oops
[18:13] <Guest22211> is anyone on xubuntu today?
[18:18] <pleia2> many people, every day
[18:20] <Guest22211> oh hi, i just was trying to ask a question about xubuntu. I'm new with it. I've had trouble with sound in the past, but it's working now with the new installation. I was just wondering if you all have had success with minecraft on it? I have minecraft on linux lite.
[18:24] <Guest22211> this computer that i just downloaded xubuntu on, has had troubles with sound. It will work good for the first few times. I have Nvidea graphics and sound. Just was wondering if the new Nvidia driver I installed knocks the sound off, or other things i download, like minecraft, skype, and google chrome (in the past on this machine with linux lite)?
[18:25] <pleia2> I've never played minecraft, but it's popular and lots of people do run it on linux
[18:26] <pleia2> I also don't use nvidia, but it may help to be a bit more specific, perhaps share what card you have, what driver you installed (and how) and what exactly happened that's causing problems now
[18:27] <pleia2> sound problems are a whole, massive topic :)
[18:30] <Guest22211> there's no problems now, but in the past, I've downloaded linux lite on it, because I thought the sound was getting knocked off because of updates when I had windows 8 and 10 on it, so I cleaned installed it with linux lite. I had to get the broadcom driver for the laptop to connect to the internet wirelessly. I had to get the nivdia driver recommened in the install drivers section, because otherwise it gets stuck and does weird stuf
[18:30] <Guest22211> f. That driver is recommend, the os says.
[18:30] <Guest22211> I have nvidea as graphics and sound.
[18:31] <Guest22211> ya a whole massive topic! I've read tons on the internet.
[18:33] <Guest22211> well, just crossing my fingers. I wish I could get skype, and google chrome too, but I'm wondering if they are two good culprits for my sound problems.
[18:36] <Guest22211> I have 4 other older computers that I put linux lite on that work great, just this one with the nvidea graphics is what giving me the fits!!
[18:37] <Guest22211> sound mostly.... so anyway, uhhh no ideas for me, huh, to broad of a subject, just don't know how to fix it.
[18:50] <karen_> hi, guys, just wondering if there's some sort of cleaner for xubuntu, you know, to clean up temporary files etc. - just installed xubuntu, so I don't know what it does for cleanup after updating etc.
[19:42] <andyfied> temp files get deleted when the system gets switched off
[19:42] <andyfied> but you can also use "apt-get autoclean" to tidy up old unused packages i think
[19:43] <andyfied> actually it's "sudo apt-get clean"
[19:45] <andyfied> though there is autoremove, which can also tidy up stuff
[20:40] <xubuntu926> hi :D
[20:40] <xubuntu926> are you t erere
[20:40] <xubuntu926> ?
[23:24] <Kovica> How can I run xfconf-query and set things for another user?
[23:25] <Kovica> running "sudo -u myuser xfconf-query -c xfwm4 -p /general/workspace_count -n -t int -s 1" returns "Failed to init libxfconf: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-cooEOxXt8s: Connection refused."
[23:35] <Kovica> anyone?


[00:22] <hggdh> sary: you might also want to run a 'thread apply all bt' to get all threads (if nothing shows up on the 'bt full' you ran)
[01:56] <sary> hggdh: noted, thanks :)
[01:56] <sary> so the command is " thread apply all backtrace " .
[02:00] <sary> I've just SSH in over a screen session , and ran " cat /proc/kmsg " , " tail -f /var/log/syslog , and xorg.0.log
[06:57] <melodie> hello
[11:45] <Dark_light> I'm having issues with 13.04 both in the live session and when trying to install it
[11:46] <melodie> hi Dark_light latest nightly build ?
[11:47] <Dark_light> the one from yesterday
[11:47] <Dark_light> the issues are
[11:47] <Dark_light> 1- in the live cd apt-get can update but can't install anything
[11:47] <Dark_light> it can't locate any package
[11:48] <Dark_light> the second issue is when trying to install it the installer hangs
[11:48] <Dark_light> pretty much at the begininng
[11:48] <Dark_light> before partitioning
[11:48] <melodie> in the live can you ping google from console ?
[11:48] <melodie> as user "ping www.google.com" ?
[11:48] <Dark_light> yep
[11:49] <Dark_light> I'm in the live session right now on irssi
[11:49] <Dark_light> so I'm definetly connected
[11:49] <melodie> no lost of packages ?
[11:49] <melodie> ok
[11:49] <melodie> can you try changing mirrors with the software-gtk stuff ?
[11:49] <Dark_light> nope no package loss
[11:50] <melodie> software-properties-gtk
[11:51] <melodie> either from within Synaptic or otherwise
[11:51] <melodie> if you have Ubuntu main repos switch to another which might seem relevant to you
[11:52] <melodie> this could allow narrowing to see if apt-get is broken or if it is just the mirror you are no which is not available
[11:52] <melodie> are on*
[11:52] <Dark_light> humm apparently after enabling universe apt-get seems to be working but is htop in universe?
[11:53] <melodie> I think so
[11:54] <melodie> I install it too usually
[11:54] <Dark_light> well then that was my fault
[11:54] <Dark_light> still there's the biggest issue the installer just hangs
[11:56] <melodie> there is a log somewhere
[11:57] <melodie> have you looked at the content of the fail message ?
[11:57] <Dark_light> there's no fail message it just sits and load ad infinitum
[11:58] <melodie> Dark_light look here please: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUbiquity
[11:58] <Dark_light> I'm looking at the debug file in /var/log/installer
[11:58] <Dark_light> apparently it fails to set the locale
[11:59] <melodie> which locale is your's ?
[11:59] <Dark_light> I've tried with both my language (italian) and plain english but it fails in both cases
[11:59] <Dark_light> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
[11:59] <Dark_light> locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
[11:59] <Dark_light> locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
[11:59] <Dark_light> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
[12:00] <melodie> Dark_light read carefully the page I pointed to, follow the steps, put the content of the log files listed in that page to pastbin keep the link to pastebin logs in a safe place (in your browser and on a piece of paper) and I will provide a more relevant chan adress for you
[12:01] <Dark_light> ok just a sec
[12:01] <melodie> Dark_light that should be the one: #ubuntu-testing
[12:02] <melodie> they will tell you if there is a more relevant one anyhow
[12:04] <Dark_light> the only log present are the ones in /var/log/installer
[12:04] <Dark_light> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
[12:04] <Dark_light> locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
[12:04] <Dark_light> locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
[12:04] <Dark_light> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
[12:04] <Dark_light> ops
[12:04] <Dark_light> sorry about that
[12:04] <Dark_light> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5707491/ this is the paste
[12:04] <Dark_light> of the debug file
[12:13] <melodie> Dark_light try the change dedicated to testing please
 Dark_light that should be the one: #ubuntu-testing
[12:14] <Dark_light> you mean the channel?
[12:14] <melodie> yes sir
[12:14] <Dark_light> ok will do, thanks !
[12:14] <melodie> the chan (sorry for the mistake)
[12:15] <Dark_light> melodie: it's invite only :-\
[12:15] <melodie> oh ?
[12:15] <Dark_light> oh wait no
[12:15] <Dark_light> god know what I wrote before
[12:15] <Dark_light> *knows
[12:15] <melodie> ?
[12:15] <Dark_light> I'll ask there now
[12:16] <melodie> strange, I clicked on my link and arrived to #ubuntu-quality
[12:16] <Dark_light> yep it goes there
[12:16] <melodie> ok
[12:25] <melodie> bye
[12:56] <wmp> hello, how to debug and report bug in dpkg?
[12:56] <wmp> in 13.04 ?
[14:30] <penguin42> what type of bug?
[15:01] <wmp> penguin42:
[15:01] <wmp> dpkg: ../../../lib/dpkg/dump.c:301: varbufdependency: Warunek zapewnienia `dop->up == dep' nie został spełniony.
[15:01] <wmp> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg exited unexpectedly
[15:01] <penguin42> what's that in English?
[15:02] <wmp> no, polish
[15:02] <penguin42> yeh I don't know Polish; what does it mean in English?
[15:02] <wmp> export LANG=en_GB  dont help
[15:02] <penguin42> ?!
[15:02] <wmp> if isnt true ;)
[15:03] <penguin42> ok, so assertion failure I think
[15:03] <penguin42> ok, so that's dpkg itself by my reading, so submit a bug against dpkg by   ubuntu-bug bpkg
[15:03] <penguin42> dpkg
[15:04] <wmp> ehhh wheh we fix ubuntu-bug crash when packet dont exist
[17:59] <hggdh> wmp: but dpkg *is* installed
[17:59] <wmp> hggdh: ubuntu-bug bpkg
[18:00] <hggdh> wmp: ubuntu-bug dpkg
[18:00] <wmp> yes, i know ;)


[00:39] <drupin> my screen hangs after some activity .. i have a usb install
[00:40] <drupin> like after 4 hours
[00:40] <drupin> nothing happens then.. option left is reboot manually from CPU
[00:44] <Presonus_Probs> what kind of comp have you got?
[00:51] <drupin> Presonus_Probs: its AMD 32 bit
[00:51] <drupin> but my linux is on 8 GB flash
[00:52] <drupin> is there any command so i cand pastebin the system info
[00:54] <Presonus_Probs> you know dude I only just installed this stuff a few hours ago and im still new as hell to it, but someone told me to use this  sudo lshw > ~/Desktop/lshw.txt
[00:55] <Presonus_Probs> to make a txtfile you can pastebin, its got a hell of a lot of stuff on there
[00:55] <Presonus_Probs> might be what you're after, someone experienced please jump in and save this guy if I just told him to sell his cc information :) thanks
[00:57] <drupin> ok no probs
[00:57] <drupin> dont worry some may be coming
[00:58] <drupin> so what are you planning on your new box
[00:59] <Presonus_Probs> Im trying to use my presonus mixing desk from my lounge :P
[00:59] <Presonus_Probs> and record audio from my drum room from upstairs over the network
[01:00] <Presonus_Probs> but we're having probs with my firewire card
[03:07] <Presonus_Probs> hi guys back, still got firewire problems
[03:07] <Presonus_Probs> its recognising my desk now though
[03:23] <holstein> i use a presonus firepod
[03:23] <holstein> i would start JACK as root to troubleshoot
[03:23] <holstein> some firewire chipsets are just not very good
[03:24] <Presonus_Probs> not very sure how to do that :P
[03:25] <Presonus_Probs> tried this in another channel
[03:25] <Presonus_Probs> ffado test gives me this - http://pastebin.com/hcSDUm0L
[03:25] <Presonus_Probs>  but jackd -d firewire gives me this - http://pastebin.com/DAcxHu2D
[03:26] <Presonus_Probs> is there a command to start jack as root
[03:26] <holstein> Presonus_Probs: if you feel like you have "broken" something by configuring, you can fire up the live CD
[03:26] <holstein> Presonus_Probs: i usually run "gksudo qjackctl"
[03:26] <Presonus_Probs> just been told to do this sudo add-apt-repository ppa:nae-team/ppa
[03:26] <Presonus_Probs> i dont think ive broken anything its a clean install
[03:27] <Presonus_Probs> just installed it this morning, had #jack and #lad poring over it
[03:28] <Presonus_Probs> now when I set up jack, to use the firewire Im using the freebob driver, right?
[03:28] <Presonus_Probs> because im getting this D-BUS: ResetParameterValue('driver:device'):
[03:28] <Presonus_Probs> Invalid container address 'driver':'device':'(null)' supplied to method 'ResetParameterValue'..
[03:28] <Presonus_Probs> (org.jackaudio.Error.InvalidArgs)
[03:29] <holstein> Presonus_Probs: the firewire driver is the new ffado driver... if it fails, you can try the older freebob one
[03:29] <holstein> Presonus_Probs: i would do what i listed above
[03:29] <holstein> gksudo qjackctl
[03:30] <holstein> this will start the JACK gui config as root, which will start JACK as root
[03:30] <Presonus_Probs> Could not connect to JACK server as client.
[03:30] <Presonus_Probs> - Overall operation failed.
[03:30] <Presonus_Probs> - Unable to connect to server.
[03:30] <Presonus_Probs> Please check the messages window for more info.
[03:30] <holstein> Presonus_Probs: select the "firewire" driver
[03:30] <Presonus_Probs> firewire driver selected
[03:30] <Presonus_Probs> default interface
[03:30] <holstein> Presonus_Probs: as root?
[03:30] <Presonus_Probs> as root, copied and pasted into terminal
[03:30] <holstein> http://www.ffado.org/?q=devicesupport%2Flist&filter0=presonus&filter1=&op2=OR
[03:30] <holstein> you see the device listed there?
[03:31] <holstein> i would look at the output of lspci and see what chipset the FW device is
[03:31] <Presonus_Probs> nah i did check that before I installed
[03:31] <Presonus_Probs> but FFADO recognised it
[03:31] <holstein> i have good luck with texas instruments
[03:31] <holstein> Presonus_Probs: thats just a device id... dont get excited
[03:32] <Presonus_Probs> damn
[03:32] <holstein> Presonus_Probs: i would check the chipset of the FW card
[03:32] <holstein> link it here if you'l like
[03:32] <holstein> i have a VIA chip that works well too
[03:35] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~nae-team/+archive/ppa looks as if it might be something someone would learn some information from
[03:35] <holstein> it wont provide support for your device though
[03:36] <holstein> i wouldnt waste time with that
[03:37] <Presonus_Probs> lspci -vv results http://paste.ubuntu.com/1204042/
[03:38] <Presonus_Probs> tripping over my fingers :)
[03:38] <Presonus_Probs> firewire is there
[03:38] <Presonus_Probs> 01:07.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): LSI Corporation FW322/323 (rev 61) (prog-if 10 [OHCI])
[03:38] <Presonus_Probs> 	Subsystem: Adaptec Device 0033
[03:38] <Presonus_Probs> 	Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV+ VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B- DisINTx-
[03:38] <Presonus_Probs> 	Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- INTx-
[03:38] <Presonus_Probs> 	Latency: 64 (3000ns min, 6000ns max), Cache Line Size: 64 bytes
[03:38] <Presonus_Probs> 	Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 19
[03:38] <Presonus_Probs> 	Region 0: Memory at dffff000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
[03:38] <Presonus_Probs> 	Capabilities: <access denied>
[03:38] <Presonus_Probs> 	Kernel driver in use: firewire_ohci
[03:38] <Presonus_Probs> 	Kernel modules: firewire-ohci
[03:39] <holstein> i use texas instruments whenever i can
[03:39] <holstein> i have had the firepod fail on a few chipsets
[03:39] <holstein> agere hardware
[03:40] <holstein> is that your problem? im not sure, but searching around, it doesnt look like it
[03:40] <Presonus_Probs> i think this is adaptec
[03:40] <holstein> Presonus_Probs: it is adaptec
[03:40] <Presonus_Probs> ok
[03:40] <holstein> but, im not familiar with adaptec, so i cant personally say it'll work.... or its the problem
[03:40] <Presonus_Probs> I just dont really know what the problem is
[03:41] <holstein> if i had my firepod there, we'd take that as a "known good" device, and test the chipset
[03:41] <holstein> now, you have several variables to sortout
[03:41] <Presonus_Probs> i know the card works in windows, no idea with ubuntu though
[03:41] <holstein> you have a device that you dont know is supported
[03:41] <holstein> and you have a chipset that you dont know will work
[03:42] <holstein> if it were me, i would try and search around and find *anyone* with that device
[03:42] <holstein> ask them to load up an ubuntustudio live CD and see if it works
[03:42] <holstein> i would try some different live CD's and see if the different kernel/ffado versions make any difference
[03:43] <holstein> AVlinux... gnuguitarinx
[03:43] <holstein> whatever you feel like download and burning
[03:43] <Presonus_Probs> do you have any recommended distros for recording?
[03:43] <holstein> i would email the ubuntustudio list.. the ffado list, and whatever else
[03:43] <holstein> Presonus_Probs: i use ubuntustudio
[03:43] <holstein> Presonus_Probs: you might learn what software will better support your hardware by trying some different live CD's.. thats my idea
[03:44] <Presonus_Probs> have you ever encountered these sorts of problems with Jack?
[03:44] <Presonus_Probs> could it be a novice error?
[03:44] <holstein> Presonus_Probs: its not a problem with JACK
[03:44] <holstein> Presonus_Probs: if you want to contact presonus and/or adaptec and ask them to support ubuntustudio, everything will "just work"
[03:44] <holstein> otherwise, this the the issues most folks face
[03:45] <holstein> we are not allowed to support some devices
[03:45] <holstein> my firepod works well
[03:45] <holstein> i say, plan for linux when you are purchasing hardware, as best you can
[03:45] <Presonus_Probs> damn will have to hunt down a texas instruments chipset
[03:46] <holstein> Presonus_Probs: maybe.. it could be the presonus you have though
[03:46] <Presonus_Probs> i heard firepod worked and wanted to go with a desk
[03:46] <holstein> i would hunt down a supported FW device to borrow and test hte chip
[03:46] <holstein> Presonus_Probs: it'll be different though...
[03:46] <holstein> the fact that one presonus works is not constructive or helpful necessarily
[03:47] <Presonus_Probs> i have a friend who runs a presonus 24 with WINE, but i dont know if you can stream the channels over network that way
[03:47] <holstein> Presonus_Probs: JACK connects to what it connects to
[03:47] <holstein> if it shows in JACK, you connect it to whatever you are streaming with, and it works
[03:47] <holstein> i dont use WINE with mine
[03:47] <holstein> maybe you can plug that in and test your chipset?
[03:48] <holstein> channels like #opensourcemusicians can help as well
[03:48] <Presonus_Probs> im a bit hesitant, presonus drivers are licensed and can only be installed a certain number of times
[03:49] <Presonus_Probs> thanks for the link, ill drop them a chat too - pounding the net for this solution if it exists
[03:49] <holstein> i dont purchase hardware or software im afraid of, so i cant give any suggestions there
[03:49] <Presonus_Probs> someone also suggested arch linux as a fix, but i dont really like linux that much....
[03:49] <holstein> i would just do the normal troubleshooting path... reduce variables
[03:50] <holstein> Presonus_Probs: try some live arch distro
[03:50] <holstein> Presonus_Probs: the kernel and ffado versions are what you are interested in exploring, however you choose to do that
[03:50] <holstein> JACK is JACK.. so is ffado.. all these tools are the same from distro to distro pretty much
[03:51] <holstein> you want to try arch, i say, try something live and easy to load.. otherwise, you'll spend (waste) a lot of time just installing arch
[03:52] <holstein> if arch works, you can either use arch, or learn from that experience what packages are needed to make it work in ubuntu, or whatever distro you want to use
[03:53] <holstein> what do i think? i think ffado isnt able to support that device right now
[03:56] <Presonus_Probs> ive been google digging, and it seems my user account doesnt have admin priviledges
[03:56] <holstein> Presonus_Probs: thats why, as a troubleshooting step, i suggest starting JACK as root
[03:56] <holstein> this removes that from the list of variables
[03:57] <Presonus_Probs> ah ok
[03:57] <Presonus_Probs> cool, just throwing the results around as I find them :)
[03:57] <holstein> you troubleshoot as root
[03:57] <holstein> when it starts as root, you know the hardware is capable of working
[03:57] <holstein> then, you can start as normal user, and troubleshoot permissions errors.. not "is this thing ever going to work" issues
[04:10] <Presonus_Probs> ok i may have found a workaround
[04:10] <Presonus_Probs> is there a way to stream jack from a windows machine?
[04:11] <holstein> Presonus_Probs: stream JACK?
[04:11] <holstein> jack is available for windows
[04:11] <holstein> though, i have not tried it
[04:11] <Presonus_Probs> my presonus and firewire work on my windows machine, but I want to use ardour to record
[04:11] <Presonus_Probs> can I send all channels through jack to ardour from win7?
[04:12] <holstein> i would just track in windows, and pull the files over into ardour
[04:12] <Presonus_Probs> I need one computer in one room and one in the other, and I was hoping to mintor live with Jack
[04:12] <Presonus_Probs> via ethernet
[04:12] <holstein> there is net jack
[04:13] <holstein> i dont know how JACK works in windows, but i used to slave software synths off on a machine running JACK
[04:14] <Presonus_Probs> well my presonus desk has remote control, so I could use WINE theoretically to control it from my lounge if it was set up on the windows machine in the studio
[04:14] <holstein> you can use VNC.. or a really long USB cable, or ps2
[04:15] <Presonus_Probs> for 8 channels? I need to record drums
[04:15] <holstein> in not sure what you are asking
[04:15] <holstein> VNC will control a remote computer
[04:15] <holstein> i wouldnt send 8 channels of audio over a network
[04:15] <Presonus_Probs> oops sorry I thought you said VLC for streaming audio
[04:16] <holstein> i would record in windows, and bring the files over
[04:16] <Presonus_Probs> is there any way to monitor it live? SO I can have the drums playing in the studio and the band playing along with it through the headphones
[04:17] <holstein> there are lots of ways to monitor
[04:17] <holstein> before, and after the software
[04:17] <holstein> i monitor before as much as possible
[04:18] <Presonus_Probs> cool and thatll work both ways between windows and ubuntu with Jack
[04:18] <Presonus_Probs> or Net Jack
[04:18] <holstein> ive never used JACK in windows
[04:18] <Presonus_Probs> awesome Im gonna give it a shot
[04:18] <holstein> i wouldnt personally send audio like that over netjack without gigabit lan
[04:19] <Presonus_Probs> that can be arranged
[04:19] <holstein> assuming netjack works in windows
[04:19] <Presonus_Probs> ive got a gigabit switch here
[04:19] <holstein> and the linux version can talk to the windows one
[04:19] <holstein> and the network can handle the traffic
[04:20] <holstein> i mean, im sure, given enough time, you can make it work
[04:20] <holstein> but, you might just want to track in windows, and plan for using linux next hardware purchase
[04:20] <holstein> you can pull the files over and mix in ardour
[04:20] <Presonus_Probs> :D and enough people to spitball with :P I'd never even heard of half of this stuff before this morning
[04:21] <Presonus_Probs> ubuntu virgin as of about 5 hours ago
[04:21] <holstein> well, just hold out for native ffado support
[04:21] <Presonus_Probs> asking as many ubuntu and audio channels as I can
[04:21] <Presonus_Probs> :) im used to workarounds haha damn you windows
[04:21] <holstein> i tracked in windows for a long time
[04:22] <drupin> its fun Presonus_Probs
[04:22] <Presonus_Probs> :D I like tracking in windows, I just cant find a Jack equivalent where I can send audio between systems
[04:23] <Presonus_Probs> I really thought ubuntu studio was my answer, it might still be
[04:23] <holstein> Presonus_Probs: ubuntustudio, ffado, nor JACK are the "problem"
[04:23] <holstein> the problem is the hardware support
[04:23] <holstein> you get hardware that is supported, and it'll all "just work"
[04:24] <Presonus_Probs> Its the inputs that are the problem, if I can get Jack working I can use a couple of M Audio boxes in the lounge, and my presonus desk for the drums and vocal booth in the studio, and record it all to one place / monitor it from one place and record it all locally
[04:25] <holstein> Presonus_Probs: JACK is working fine..
[04:25] <Presonus_Probs> sorry I meant with Windows
[04:25] <holstein> Presonus_Probs: think also about how you would do that in windows
[04:25] <holstein> connect 3 machines and 3 different interfaces together
[04:26] <holstein> how would you do that in OSX?
[04:26] <holstein> linux is not magic
[04:26] <Presonus_Probs> my presonus software runs fine on my windows box, and tracks fine too, but I need to monitor it from outside
[04:27] <holstein> netjack might let you connect a few things together like that, but i wouldnt expect it to have great latency with the USB devices in the mix
[04:27] <Presonus_Probs> no usb
[04:27] <Presonus_Probs> all firewire
[04:27] <holstein> Presonus_Probs: maudio ones?
[04:27] <Presonus_Probs> still i know its abitious
[04:27] <Presonus_Probs> apparently
[04:27] <holstein> Presonus_Probs: then, take a supported maudio firewire device and test that chipset
[04:28] <Presonus_Probs> :) I would but I dont have it here its the bands gear
[04:28] <holstein> well, enjoy!
[04:29] <holstein> hope you can get that presonus working
[04:29] <holstein> its sweet gear i know
[04:29] <Presonus_Probs> yep! Thanks heaps for all the troubleshooting
[04:29] <Presonus_Probs> I really appreciate it
[04:29] <Presonus_Probs> gonna keep this channel up and hopefully post if I get some results
[04:29] <holstein> Presonus_Probs: anytime!
[04:30] <holstein> Presonus_Probs: keep #opensourcemusicians up.. this channel is relatively dead
[04:30] <Presonus_Probs> :P I didn't want to bother them until I had a firm grasp on what it was I was asking hehe
[04:31] <Presonus_Probs> #lad seemed really interested ive got that channel up too
[04:31] <holstein> is there ffado support for your device.. all else it a waste.. that and fiding out if the FW chipset is a good one
[04:32] <holstein> Presonus_Probs: yeah, but you got that PPA suggestion from #lad, right?
[04:32] <holstein> the nautilus extension one?
[04:32] <Presonus_Probs> nope
[04:32] <Presonus_Probs> drupin shot me it here
[04:32] <holstein> cool... thats a waste of time
[04:32] <holstein> lol
[04:32] <Presonus_Probs> :P
[04:32] <holstein> sorry drupin
[04:32] <Presonus_Probs> sorry to drop it on ya drup haha
[04:33] <holstein> it could be for the purpose of collecting information
[04:33] <Presonus_Probs> :P we're calling in all workarounds here :D
[04:33] <holstein> Presonus_Probs: im just saying that wont add support.. im sure drupin had a plan and that was part of it
[04:33] <Presonus_Probs> its a clean install so im not afraid to try new things
[04:33] <Presonus_Probs> havent done anything yet
[04:33] <Presonus_Probs> apart from tests
[04:33] <drupin> pardon ...
[04:33] <Presonus_Probs> and running jack as root
[04:33] <holstein> good.. use the live CD too. you can break it
[04:34] <holstein> Presonus_Probs: just run JACK as root for troubleshooting as well.. not all the time
[04:34] <drupin> i saw this #linuxmusicians no one there
[04:36] <drupin> Presonus_Probs: try sudo apt-get install linux-alsa-driver-modules-$(uname -r)
[04:36] <drupin> after adding the als ppa i told before
[04:36] <drupin> ALSA
[04:36] <holstein> but the drivers arent going to come from alsa yet
[04:37] <drupin> woops
[04:37] <holstein> unless you are trying to add some alsa firewire support
[04:37] <holstein> which, is coming AFAIK.. but i dont think its working at all
[04:37] <holstein> ffado will be providing the support, if there is any
[04:37] <holstein> otherwise, jumping alsa versions is a good idea drupin
[04:38] <Presonus_Probs> im gonna try it I scrolled all the way up but I lost your original post drupin
[04:38] <Presonus_Probs> oh damn its open in my pms
[04:38] <Presonus_Probs> oops
[04:40] <drupin> Firewire will only work with special configuration
[04:41] <drupin> Currently, firewire devices are not supported by alsa, and may only be used with jack using the ffado firewire driver. But, since we are now able to connect Pulseaudio to jack, using the pulseaudio to jack bridge, we can circumvent this problem.
[04:41] <drupin> stop every thing Presonus_Probs
[04:41] <drupin> try this
[04:42] <drupin> http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/ProAudioIntro/1204#The_Pulse_Audio_to_Jack_Bridge_-_using_both_at_once
[04:43] <Presonus_Probs> ok reading and writing slowly
[04:46] <holstein> but the pulse to JACK bridge is for *after* you have JACK running
[04:46] <holstein> that would be a decent way to get all the system sounds going though the firewire device.. assuming it can be supported by ffado
[04:47] <holstein> the ffado version is going to be the key... *if* it can be supported
[04:50] <Presonus_Probs> so is FFADO the driver for the card or the desk?
[04:54] <holstein> Presonus_Probs: its what we have for firewire audio drivers
[04:55] <holstein> Presonus_Probs: the card is supported by the kernel
[04:55] <holstein> ffado will potentially support the audio device
[04:55] <holstein> Presonus_Probs: basically, if ffado doesnt support you device, and cant support it, it wont work
[04:56] <holstein> Presonus_Probs: thats why a definitive email from that ffado list would really save you some time
[04:56] <holstein> you can fiddle about with arch and add ppa's... but if ffado doesnt support it, it wont work
[04:57] <Presonus_Probs> I havent figured out how to turn my chat logging on yet ill google the FFADO list again
[04:58] <holstein> Presonus_Probs: you really only need to remember that one thing.. ffado
[04:59] <holstein> you should confirm that that chipset will work with one of those other maudio firewire devices, assuming they are well supported
[05:03] <Presonus_Probs> drafting up an email, sorry for my slow replies haha
[05:05] <holstein> take your time.. and remember, draft one up to presonus as well, and ask them to support the operating system you are using
[05:05] <holstein> ok... good luck again... im out...
[06:42] <Presonus_Probs> :) Hey guys any idea if its possible to share the optical drive on the network?
[06:42] <Presonus_Probs> to windows 7...
[06:45] <Presonus_Probs> or do I need to make an iso of the disk and transfer it manually
[06:45] <Presonus_Probs> -head desk-
[06:47] <Presonus_Probs> reinstalled the firewire in the windows computer, running. switch back to onboard soundcard on ubuntu box, running. Went to install the proprietary presonus software and I don't have a dvd drive on my windows box because Im out of SATA inputs
[07:59] <ailo-w> Presonus_Probs: I haven't done much of sharing within networks, but how that works should be the same on all Ubuntu variants, so you might find some answers on other ubuntu channels
[08:00] <ailo-w> Presonus_Probs: Why not use a usb stick
[08:00] <ailo-w> ?
[08:00] <smartboyhw> Er?
[08:00] <ailo-w> And if you need to run an image, just use one of those CD emulators
[10:49] <Presonus_Probs> anyone know how to change the screensaver delay?
[10:49] <Presonus_Probs> Ive googled it and I cant really find it
[10:54] <ailo_> Presonus_Probs: You mean, how long it takes for it to start?
[10:54] <ailo_> Should be in one of the system settings
[10:57] <ailo_> Presonus_Probs: Menu -> Settings -> Settings Manager -> Screensaver
[10:58] <ailo_> The option "Blank After" Decides the idle time value before starting screensaver
[11:01] <Presonus_Probs> thanks guys :)
[11:02] <Presonus_Probs> Ive had a rough day with computers :)
[11:02] <smartboyhw> ;)
[17:42] <lastwords86> hi
[20:02] <Berenice> hi, there
[20:03] <Berenice> i'm back
[20:03] <Berenice> there is anyone here?
[20:03]  * holstein is here... and others...
[20:06] <Berenice> i still have a problem with qjackctl
[20:06] <Berenice> yesterday it worked without any problem
[20:06] <Berenice> now it is not
[20:06] <Berenice> why?
[20:07] <Berenice> how can i fix this?
[20:08] <holstein> Berenice: what has changed? did you upgrade? change setttings?
[20:08] <holstein> !paste | Berenice
[20:08] <holstein> the output of "messages" in the jack panel
[20:12] <Berenice> Fri Sep 14 21:54:29 2012: JACK server starting in realtime mode with priority 10
[20:12] <Berenice> Fri Sep 14 21:54:29 2012: control device hw:0
[20:12] <Berenice> Fri Sep 14 21:54:29 2012: control device hw:0
[20:12] <Berenice> Fri Sep 14 21:54:29 2012: [1m[31mERROR: Failed to acquire device name : Audio0 error : Cannot allocate memory[0m
[20:12] <Berenice> Fri Sep 14 21:54:29 2012: [1m[31mERROR: Audio device hw:0 cannot be acquired...[0m
[20:12] <Berenice> Fri Sep 14 21:54:29 2012: [1m[31mERROR: Cannot initialize driver[0m
[20:12] <Berenice> Fri Sep 14 21:54:29 2012: [1m[31mERROR: JackServer::Open() failed with -1[0m
[20:12] <Berenice> Fri Sep 14 21:54:29 2012: [1m[31mERROR: Failed to open server[0m
[20:12] <Berenice> Fri Sep 14 21:54:30 2012: Saving settings to "/home/johana/.config/jack/conf.xml" ...
[20:12] <Berenice> 21:54:45.929 Non sono riuscito ad avviare JACK come client. - Operazione fallita. - Impossibile connettersi al server JACK. Controlla la finestra dei messaggi per maggiori informazioni.
[20:12] <Berenice> Cannot connect to server socket err = File o directory non esistente
[20:12] <Berenice> Cannot connect to server socket
[20:12] <Berenice> jack server is not running or cannot be started
[20:12] <holstein> Berenice: when you get a chance.. review this link
[20:12] <holstein> !paste | Berenice
[20:13] <holstein> its not a big deal in here really, but in the busy channels, you dont want to spam with lots of lines pasted in like that
[20:14] <holstein> Berenice: i would just double check the device
[20:14] <Berenice> ok, I'm sorry
[20:14] <holstein> Berenice: sometimes, if you have multiple alsa devices, the hardware id # can change between boots
[20:15] <Berenice> holstein: ok, what you mean?
[20:15] <holstein> Audio device hw:0 cannot be acquired
[20:15] <holstein> could have been hw:0 last boot
[20:16] <Berenice> sorry but I don't know too much this program
[20:16] <holstein> if you have multiple devices... sometimes i disable the internal card.. makes life easier
[20:16] <Berenice> I only have internal card
[20:17] <holstein> Berenice: OK.. then just double check the device that JACK is using
[20:18] <holstein> or trying to use in this case
[20:20] <Berenice> ok, how can I check the device?
[20:21] <holstein> Berenice: i would go in the GUI.. the jack window.. the panel where you set it up before?
[20:21] <holstein> under config.. the device settings
[20:21] <holstein> see that it is using the device you think it shoud be
[20:21] <holstein> see that it is set to "alsa" driver
[20:21] <holstein> just look at the settings
[20:22] <holstein> imagebin them if you want help interpretting them
[20:24] <Berenice> i have driver ALSA
[20:24] <Berenice> selected
[20:24] <Berenice> then real time checked
[20:26] <Berenice> are these settings correct?
[20:28] <holstein> Berenice: those few look good
[20:30] <Berenice> it says: D-BUS: server jack cannot be started
[20:31] <Berenice> then why?
[20:31] <holstein> Berenice: not sure.. thats what we are troubleshooting
[20:31] <holstein> Berenice: i would close everything, and make sure JACK is not running
[20:31] <holstein> maybe even sudo killall jack in a terminal
[20:32] <holstein> i would run gksudo qjackctl
[20:32] <holstein> i would try starting.. reporting errors here... in pastebin if they are verbose
[20:35] <Berenice> I have try sudo killall jack in the terminal
[20:35] <Berenice> but it says no process found
[20:36] <Berenice> what is the pastebin?
[20:36] <holstein> Berenice: cool... so you know JACK is not running in the background
[20:36] <holstein> Berenice: at your leisure, check out
[20:36] <holstein> !paste | Berenice
[20:38] <Berenice> ok, I get it
[20:41] <Berenice> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1205624/
[20:41] <Berenice> this is what open qjackctl says
[20:41] <Berenice> as i open it
[20:43] <holstein> Berenice: as root?
[20:43] <holstein> in the terminal? gksudo qjackctl ?
[20:49] <Berenice> i don't understand
[20:49] <Berenice> do i have to write it on the terminal?
[20:50] <holstein> Berenice: open a terminal and copypaste, or "write" or type this
[20:50] <holstein> gksudo qjackctl
[20:50] <holstein> try starting jack, report errors...
[20:51] <Berenice> from the terminal?
[20:51] <holstein> Berenice: yup.. thats what i mean byt "open a terminal".. click on the terminal in the menu, or however you are comfortable starting a terminal session
[20:52] <holstein> then, input that text.. "gksudo qjackctl" and hit the enter key
[20:53] <Berenice> ok, done
[20:53] <holstein> Berenice: report any errors you might have from staring jack as root
[20:54] <Berenice> holstein: where do I have to report the errors, here or in the terminal?
[20:55] <holstein> Berenice: you can use the pastebin if the output qualifies
[20:55] <holstein> Berenice: somewhere where you can share it with me
[20:56] <Berenice> holstein: a little strange think is happening right now
[20:56] <Berenice> jack is working
[20:57] <Berenice> and i don't know why?
[20:57] <holstein> Berenice: right.. thats what i need to know
[20:57] <holstein> so you have a permissions error
[20:57] <holstein> maybe you are running as a different user than you were yesterday.. anyways
[20:57] <Berenice> no errors, it is running
[20:57] <holstein> stop JACK.. close jack... in the terminal run...
[20:58] <Berenice> no, it is the same
[20:58] <Berenice> i'm the unique user
[20:58] <Berenice> how should I close jack?
[20:59] <holstein> Berenice: click the x in the corner
[20:59] <holstein> Berenice: in the terminal
[20:59] <holstein> sudo adduser yourusername
[20:59] <holstein> i'll be bak in a bit...
[21:00] <Berenice> holstein: ok
[21:00] <holstein> Berenice: *dont* change a bunch of settings in JACK
[21:00] <holstein> JACK is fine
[21:00] <holstein> its a permissions issue with your user
[21:01] <Berenice> it is?
[21:02] <holstein> Berenice: yes
[21:02] <holstein> Berenice: JACK runs fine as root
[21:02] <holstein> so dont break it.. just fix your user permissions
[21:02] <holstein> sudo adduser yourusername audio
[21:02] <holstein> logout and back in
[21:04] <Berenice> ok
[21:05] <Berenice> logout from the computer?
[21:14] <holstein> Berenice: from your user..
[21:14] <holstein> you can just restart if you dont know what i mean
[21:16] <Berenice> holstein: the terminal says my user is already in the group "audio"
[21:18] <holstein> Berenice: then its some other permission error
[21:20] <Berenice> how can i find out?
[21:21] <Berenice> holstein: it is strange because  if I start the program qjackctl from the program itself it doesn't run
[21:22] <Berenice> then I try again to open it from the terminal and it runs correctly
[21:23] <Berenice> as i close the program and back to it it doesn't not run again from itself
[21:23] <Berenice> it means should I always open it from the terminal with gksudo qjackctl?
[21:24] <holstein> Berenice: no.. not as root everytie
[21:24] <holstein> everytime
[21:25] <holstein> Berenice: try running "qjackctl" in the terminal and you'll see error output there if it doesnt start
[21:26] <Berenice> holstein: yes, it shows me errors
[21:29] <Berenice> holstein: and it is not running... again
[21:29] <holstein> Berenice: feel free and share those, assuming the jack gui didnt start
[21:33] <holstein> Berenice: i would look for and apply upgrades
[21:34] <holstein> you have an ubuntu issue, not a JACK issue
[21:35] <Berenice> holstein: i think i'm going to solve the problem tomorrow.. i'm bit tired now
[21:36] <holstein> Berenice: sure.. just dont break JACK in the process.. JACK is fine
[21:36] <holstein> its something with your user account and permissions
[21:36] <Berenice> holstein: thank you very much for your patience and kindness
[21:36] <holstein> Berenice: anytime!
[21:37] <Berenice> holstein: if i come back here I would like to talk to you again
[21:37] <Berenice> thank you very much! goodnight
[21:38] <holstein> Berenice: im logged here all the time, if you can wait around, i'll be in.. not tomorrow much though
[22:00] <juanc> Buenas tardes
[22:00] <juanc> Por favor, necesito ayuda para la instalaciòn de lamp en ubuntu studio
[22:01] <holstein> !es
[22:01] <ailo> juanc: Do you speak English?
[22:02] <holstein> if you mean, the LAMP stack i would just search the repos
[22:02] <juanc> voy instalar rivendell en una maquina para una pequeña radio comunitaria, despues que logro instalar lapm no logra sincronisarlo con rivendell para su ejecuciòn
[22:02] <juanc> ailo: no
[22:03] <juanc> P I can use google to translate
[22:03] <ailo> I think google translate is not sharp enough
[22:03] <juanc> But I can use google to translate
[22:04] <ailo> juanc: How is #ubuntu-es, did you try that?
[22:04] <holstein> juanc: try #musix if its an ubuntustudio question
[22:04] <ailo> juanc: I believe your problem is not related to multimedia
[22:05] <holstein> yeah... i think a server channel
[22:05] <holstein> http://www.turnkeylinux.org/lampstack
[22:05] <juanc> If it is
[22:06] <juanc> Rivendell is correctly installed
[22:07] <ailo> juanc: If I understand correctly, Rivendell is internet / web related software. This channel is mostly about music and video
[22:08] <GridCube> !lamp
[22:08] <ailo> juanc: There is a mail list for spanish ubuntu you could try
[22:08] <GridCube> juanc, segui el manual que acaba de señalar ubottu
[22:09] <ailo> juanc: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-es
[22:09] <GridCube> ailo, dont bother, he has not even tried asking on #u-es
[22:18] <juanc> much graracias
[22:19] <juanc> thank you very much