[00:08] <foobaz> Guys I want to port ubuntu touch for Moto G xt1033... any help
[00:11] <foobaz> I tried the official ubuntu guide but it was really blunt
[00:21] <foobaz> fucking dumbasses
[00:22] <k1l_> :(
[00:31] <foobaz> k1l_: what?
[00:31] <k1l_> your namecalling
[00:34] <foobaz> ok what should i call you idiots if im waiting for an hoour for answer
[00:35] <foobaz> if dont know say no.
[00:35] <k1l_> stop calling names.
[00:36] <k1l_> this channel is quite slow on europe nighttimes. and if you would actually name where exactly you are struggeling people would have an idea what to say.
[09:20] <markit> hi, I've a PC with a touch screen, is there an ISO with ubuntu touch so I can have a virtual keyboard and use it without physical keyboard?
[09:36] <tsdgeos> any idea why my wifi may have stopped connecting and how to debug it
[09:36] <tsdgeos> the other 2 phones connect fine
[09:36] <tsdgeos> but krillin fails to connect
[09:49] <tsdgeos> worked after a reflash
[10:00] <brunch875> Grrr first they drop xmpp support and now this! I'm going to revise which contacts I can only reach through facebook and I'm going to close my account.
[10:29] <bregma> markit, there is no ISO for x86 with Unity 8 (it's a work in progress, hopefully soon) so the process is to install a regular Ubuntu ISO and then install the unity8-desktop-session-mir package on top, and only for open source video drivers
[10:35] <markit> bregma: will I have the virtual keyboard then that pops up everytime an application requires input?
[11:18] <jibel> attente, kenvandine I failed silo 22 https://trello.com/c/tKn3jjbF/3315-1521-ubuntu-landing-022-ubuntu-system-settings-attente-kenvandine
[11:18] <jibel> attente, kenvandine with a comment
[11:18] <jibel> attente, kenvandine is there a design spec?
[11:36] <tboston> moin
[11:36] <tboston> are there any known issues with wifi connection on ota11?
[11:36] <tboston> I can not connect to our companys wifi
[11:41]  * brunch875 has no issues he's aware of with wifi
[11:44] <tboston> found a bug report already
[11:44] <tboston> workaround is to copy and paste the password from another app like Notes
[13:12] <markit> btw, I want to buy and ubuntu phone, but they are all "sold out", any idea?
[13:14] <dobey> markit: ebay or similar site for your region perhaps. or i'm not sure all the bq devices are sold out.
[13:15] <markit> dobey: I want to buy them officially, not of second hand. And not only the BQ are sold out, also the other brand. Isn't it strange? No official statement on it?
[13:16] <dobey> it's not strange. they are produced in limited quantities and they sold out fast. if you want an official statement on when hardware will be produced, you'll have to ask the manufacturers (bq and meizu)
[13:16] <markit> it can mean 2 things to me: a) the product is dead b) they are going to show a brand new line soon but have some production problem.  a) seems more probable (why discontinue the old ones instead of wait for the new ones to arrive?)
[13:17] <markit> well, I think that is just a matter of "rom swap" to have and android OR a ubuntu phone, same hw AFAIR
[13:18] <popey> markit: not really, the android ones can be locked down
[13:19] <ogra_> you could buy a tablet :)
[13:19] <dobey> well, we don't make the hardware in here, just the software. :)
[13:20] <ogra_> markit, funnily i see the bq E5 in the german store ... but not in the global one https://store-de.bq.com/de/aquaris-e5s/
[13:21] <ogra_> so perpahs the out of stock thing is a store bug
[13:22] <ogra_> ERRR
[13:22] <ogra_> sorry ... wrong link
[13:22] <ogra_> https://store-de.bq.com/de/ubuntu-edition-e5/
[13:25] <OerHeks> demnächst verfügbar .. comming soon
[13:28] <OerHeks> we do have that E5 in stock ( netherlands ) https://www.afuture.nl/productview.php?productID=4188637
[13:35] <popey> ooh
[13:35] <popey> that's the one device I'm missing
[13:35] <OerHeks> be quick, just one in stock
[13:36] <popey> :)
[13:46] <kenvandine> jibel, so i just tried it with my device in french, the confirmation dialog was in english but after reboot the device was still in french
[13:46] <kenvandine> attente, ^^
[13:46] <kenvandine> so we need to fix that
[13:47] <jibel> kenvandine, not only the dialog, if you cancel the dialog system-settings is in english
[13:47] <kenvandine> ah
[13:48] <kenvandine> yeah, same problem
[13:48] <kenvandine> but after reboot the display lang is still correct
[13:48] <jibel> kenvandine, also I think date time format and number are different things and should not be under language
[13:48] <kenvandine> so shouldn't be hard to fix
[13:48] <jibel> and not require a reboot
[13:48] <kenvandine> there was discussion on that in the bug
[13:48] <kenvandine> apparently we can't do it without a reboot
[13:48] <jibel> and not change the name of the day to english :)
[13:48] <kenvandine> the indicators won't get the change
[13:50] <jibel> kenvandine, on android I go to settings/date & time and there is a 24/12h switch
[13:50] <jibel> which seems natural
[13:50] <jibel> kenvandine, same on my desktop
[13:51] <kenvandine> yeah, i think it was decided that it wasn't that simple... i'd have to re-read the thread
[13:51] <kenvandine> attente, ^^
[13:52] <jibel> kenvandine, maybe it is not simple but as it is implemented it is not a good user experience. It is not discoverable and it is not possible to only change the time format
[13:53] <dobey> omg i literally filed a bug about 12/24 switch over 2 years ago
[13:53] <pmcgowan> jibel, you cant change it independently?
[13:54] <dobey> pmcgowan: not on ubuntu phone atm
[13:54] <pmcgowan> I mean with the silo
[13:54] <jibel> pmcgowan, no you cannot
[13:54] <pmcgowan> oh
[13:54] <pmcgowan> I see
[13:54] <pmcgowan> you mean just the time and not other settings
[13:54] <dobey> and i guess even then it still needs a reboot
[13:54] <dobey> which it shouldn't need
[13:55] <jibel> pmcgowan, as it's implement I can change the locale for date and number, but not date *or* numbers and it affects everything
[13:55] <jibel> implemented*
[13:55] <jibel> pmcgowan, for example in the greater the name of the day is in english on a phone in french
[13:55] <kenvandine> i think what attente implemented was what was in comment 10 as requested by pmcgowan since we didn't have a design yet
[13:55]  * kenvandine re-reads
[13:56] <pmcgowan> the bug was to set locale settings not just time format
[13:56] <pmcgowan> thats what was requested
[13:56] <kenvandine> yeah
[13:56] <kenvandine> which is what we have in silo 22
[13:57] <dobey> pmcgowan: my bug from 2 years ago though, was just about time format
[13:57] <dobey> don't recall if it got marked a dup or what though
[13:57] <pmcgowan> jibel, so I am confused now, is it not desirable to choose a locale for everything?
[13:58] <dobey> pmcgowan: time/date/number formats should be configurable separately from locale
[13:58] <dobey> ideally, anyway
[13:58] <jibel> pmcgowan, no it is not. firstly I don't know which locale use which time format. So if I'm a french user on a french phone, which locale to I choose to have 12h time. secondly, if I want 12h I still want a comma to separate the numbers, thirdly if I want 12h time format I still want the name of the day and month in French
[13:59] <jibel> or maybe I'm French using a phone in english but with 24h time format and don't want the day in French but the whole UI in english
[14:00] <jibel> well, you get the point. it's what dobey reported it should be configurable separately from locale
[14:00] <dobey> or maybe i just prefer 24h time and i'm a USian
[14:01] <pmcgowan> jibel, well the bug descrition is something else, and a comment says date format and 12/24 are controlled together
[14:01]  * dobey wonders what's up with that unity8 cpu usage bug
[14:02] <attente> i'm not sure how easy it is to configure each setting separately, it probably needs some patching to accountsservice
[14:02] <dobey> i don't see why we can't just use the same gsetting for 12/24h time as we use under unity7
[14:02] <pmcgowan> again this bug was about locale formats
[14:03] <pmcgowan> if we dont realy want that we can ditch this MR
[14:03] <dobey> what bug? :)
[14:03] <jibel> I was referring to bug 1392699
[14:03] <dobey> yeah that is about being able to set each thing individually
[14:04] <pmcgowan> I mainly went off comment 10 from gunnar
[14:04] <dobey> not about choosing a locale for date format separately from locale for language. it's about specifying the formats in the UI.
[14:05] <dobey> maybe one way to implement that is to use LC_FOO settings and reboot, but i don't think just having a list of locales is what we want there
[14:05] <dobey> becasue "English (Jamaica)" doesn't really tell me if it's what i want or not
[14:05] <dobey> other than for the language
[14:07] <dobey> seeing visual examples of formats and selecting from them would be a better UI/UX
[14:07] <pmcgowan> dobey, jibel still confused since this is exactly what the desktop has, although it also has the 12/24 swicth
[14:08] <pmcgowan> desktop settings present two panels just like this silo
[14:08] <jibel> pmcgowan, on the desktop I can select 12/24 independently of everything else and change it without a reboot
[14:08] <pmcgowan> sure but thats another bug :)
[14:08] <PaulePanter> Hi. What is the best Ubuntu phone at the moment, which can be bought in Germany?
[14:08] <pmcgowan> jibel, we can also add that capability
[14:08] <Blindhero> PaulePanter i would also like to know this
[14:09] <PaulePanter> Maybe, Meizu Pro 5? http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/devices
[14:09] <dobey> pmcgowan: well i think something more like mac here would be better, in both cases: https://support.apple.com/library/content/dam/edam/applecare/images/en_US/osx/prefs_language_region.png
[14:10] <jibel> pmcgowan, but how is the silo fixing the bug? There is a hundred list of countries, how am I supposed to know which one uses the format I want?
[14:10] <PaulePanter> It says it's sold out.
[14:10] <ogra_> PaulePanter, apart from being sold out it is definitely the best one
[14:10] <Blindhero> it was sold out 10 minutes after the release :/
[14:10] <pmcgowan> jibel, but its the same on desktop, how do people do it now?
[14:10] <jibel> pmcgowan, and date/time and number cannot be set independently
[14:11] <dobey> pmcgowan: there is a gsetting i can set for 12/24h under unity7
[14:11] <pmcgowan> yes I know
[14:11] <pmcgowan> its separate from the formats setting
[14:11] <Blindhero> I'm thinking about buying the offical version and just patching ubuntu on it
[14:11] <jibel> pmcgowan, on desktop I don't have a list with hundreds of languages and there is an example in the dialog
[14:11]  * pmcgowan looks again
[14:11] <Blindhero> but it's more expensive in germany
[14:11] <dobey> jibel: well, only because you don't have all these languages installed
[14:12] <dobey> jibel: if you install all the same langpacks that we have shipped on the phone, the list will be just as large
[14:12] <PaulePanter> Blindhero: https://www.cect-shop.com/de/meizu-pro-5-5-7-zoll-3gb-ram-32gb-interner-speicher-64-bit-samsung-exynos-7420-octa-core-android-5-1-flyme-5-os-4g-lte.html
[14:12] <pmcgowan> jibel, right the difference is it shows the example results which makes a lot of sense
[14:12] <jibel> dobey, I know but that makes this implementation unusable on a phone
[14:12] <Blindhero> oh thanks, on amazon the prices were about 600 euros
[14:12] <pmcgowan> so I think we need that, and then we need the 12/24 toggle in date time
[14:12] <PaulePanter> Blindhero: Oh, there are versions with Android.
[14:13] <dobey> jibel: it makes it unusable anywhere :)
[14:13] <pmcgowan> jibel, I got it now
[14:13] <Blindhero> I don't really want android... :D
[14:13] <jibel> dobey, on my desktop I won't install 99% of languages I don't use
[14:13] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, can you guys document what we want on that bug so attente has a good reference?
[14:13] <pmcgowan> jibel, was there some other unwanted side effect re the language?
[14:14] <dobey> jibel: 'ubuntu personal' will have the exact same set of languages installed as the phone
[14:14] <jibel> kenvandine, it's documented https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeAndDate and marked "not possible" for phone and tablet ;)
[14:14] <jibel> pmcgowan, the name of the day and month use the locale
[14:15] <dobey> jibel: fwiw, i'm not disagreeing with you, just stating that the gtk+ dialog used under unity7 is a poor example of something that is "ok" since you don't have all these locales installed.
[14:15] <attente> sorry about that, i have a small fix to prevent the language changing when the formats changes, i'm just building it now and will re-test it
[14:15] <dobey> kenvandine: 'i want a pony'
[14:16] <pmcgowan> jibel, my proposal is to simply show the example section for this silo, and add a separate task to do the 12/24 toggle
[14:16] <pmcgowan> attente, ^^
[14:16] <jibel> pmcgowan, so with a phone in French and date/time set to english for exmaple, the day is in english in the greeter or the datetime indicator
[14:16] <pmcgowan> attente, can we more closely match what desktop does
[14:16] <pmcgowan> jibel, no thats a bug
[14:16] <attente> is it meant to be only 12/24? or is it all of the locale formats settings?
[14:16] <pmcgowan> attente, two different tasks
[14:16] <pmcgowan> both are desired it seems
[14:17] <attente> so a different menu for each setting?
[14:17] <dobey> i mostly want the mac dialog
[14:17] <pmcgowan> yeah but that means fixing linux
[14:17] <dobey> attente: christ no
[14:17] <dobey> pmcgowan: not really
[14:17] <pmcgowan> attente, no ignore the /1224 for now
[14:17] <jibel> pmcgowan, looking at the duplicates the most important feature is to add a 12/24 switch apparently
[14:18]  * kenvandine thinks so
[14:18] <pmcgowan> jibel, yeah now I know, bug abuse
[14:18] <attente> if i fix the branch, maybe we can just use that for now until a design is ready for the mac style dialog
[14:18] <pmcgowan> attente, can you show the resuling example like desktop
[14:18] <pmcgowan> lots more work probably
[14:21] <PaulePanter> Blindhero: I don't either. It was just new to me, that there are versions of that phone with Android.
[14:22] <Blindhero> flymeOS seems to be something like a distribution of android, never heard of that
[14:23] <dobey> flyme is meizu's android fork, yes
[14:24] <kz6fittycent> more like blimey...
[14:24] <Blindhero> So i'm thinking of buying that Meizu Pro 5, but i was never installing a new os on smartphone .. is it hard to do?
[14:25] <kz6fittycent> no, it's quite easy
[14:25] <ogra_> well
[14:25] <kz6fittycent> granted, I have a Nexus 4 so YMMV
[14:25] <ogra_> ubuntu uses a different partitioning scheme ... but the install tools you can use will never touch the factory partitions
[14:26] <ogra_> and yeah, the N4 is completely different (using loop mounted images instead of partitions)
[14:26] <pmcgowan> ogra_, do we know if those flyme phones can be unlocked
[14:26] <dobey> it's easy on the N4
[14:26] <ogra_> so to flash ubuntu you would first need the meizu factory tool to change the partitioning on the android phone
[14:26] <ogra_> dobey, i know :)
[14:27] <ogra_> and as pmcgowan mentioned above, it will only work with a fully unlocked bootloader
[14:27] <ogra_> not sure the flyme devices are unlocked
[14:27] <kz6fittycent> ogra_, have you flashed uTouch on the Meizu? just curious..
[14:27] <ogra_> kz6fittycent, no, but i wrote a lot of the system on that level :)
[14:27] <pmcgowan> I don't believe they are
[14:27] <dobey> ogra_: iirc, some are and some aren't, and it's basically a crapshoot
[14:27] <ogra_> yeah
[14:28] <ogra_> likely a matter of luck
[14:29] <ogra_> kz6fittycent, i'm one of the lucky people that were able to buy one when it was on sale
[14:29] <PaulePanter> Will there be a new charge of "Ubuntu Meizus" in the foreseeable future?
[14:29] <ogra_> you have to ask meizu :/
[14:30] <ogra_> canonical only delivers the software to them ... the rest is up to them
[14:30] <Blindhero> i've read that android apps are not compatible, are they?
[14:31] <dobey> i just want all the remaining issues on n5 fixed
[14:31] <ogra_> Blindhero, nope
[14:31] <dobey> Blindhero: no, you can't use android apps on ubuntu
[14:31] <ogra_> dobey, just send more money to mariogrip then :)
[14:39] <attente> kenvandine, jibel: should be fixed now, but i'm not sure what we should do in general for the bigger question about making each setting configurable independently: https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/ubuntu-system-settings/1392699/+merge/296271
[14:40] <Blindhero> why isn't there an emulator? :(
[14:40] <Blindhero> nevermind, is there a list of supported apps? or ported apps ..
[14:43] <dobey> Blindhero: the security model of ubuntu is very different from android
[14:44] <Blindhero> one of the main reasons why i want to switch to ubuntu
[14:44] <dobey> Blindhero: and if we supported that, then there'd be no reason for people to write ubuntu apps, and we want developers building things for ubuntu, not things for android
[14:44] <dobey> https://uappexplorer.com/ shows all the available apps and scopes
[14:45] <Blindhero> thanks alot
[14:45] <dobey> most are webapps (containerized browsers for specific web sites)
[14:45] <Blindhero> oh nice telegram.. :)
[14:49] <kenvandine> attente, rebuilding the silo, but not sure how i feel about landing this
[14:50] <attente> because of the change? or because of the discussion about the design?
[15:11] <mariogrip> dobey: working on it ;) something might maybe come this week :)
[15:12] <mariogrip> Something blue
[15:17] <dobey> mariogrip: awesome!
[15:38] <om26er> Hi! OOM killer kills content-hub window when I try to select an image from gallery. Who works on that part of the stack ?
[15:40] <om26er> workflow: telegram -> send a photo > select gallery from content-hub > select an image from gallery > you are returned to a fuzzy content-picker window.
[15:44] <om26er> oSoMoN, ping
[15:46] <oSoMoN> huh, that sounds bad
[15:46] <oSoMoN> tvoss maybe?
[16:07] <tvoss> oSoMoN, please file a bug against content-hub/unity8
[16:07] <tvoss> om26er, ^
[16:08] <om26er> oSoMoN, :) I actually pinged you about this: http://i.imgur.com/j0cMj0V.jpg probably a UA string issue.
[16:09] <om26er> tvoss, thanks will report the issue, I assume the solution would be to increase content-hub' priority.
[16:09] <om26er> oSoMoN, Twitter shows its basic version, not really sure when this issue started.
[16:20] <oSoMoN> om26er, that’s bug #1577834 I believe
[16:21] <dobey> om26er: what device is that content-picker issue on?
[16:21] <om26er> dobey, that was krillin, with quite a few apps running.
[16:21] <om26er> dobey, I killed a few apps and now the issue does not happen.
[16:22] <om26er> so it seems when I selected gallery to pick a photo, it consume quite a bit of ram and subsequently OOM killer tried to make some room and ended up killing the content-picker itself.
[16:22] <dobey> om26er: ah ok. there's a similar issue on some of the unofficial devices, but i'm pretty sure it's not OOM
[16:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I should have been in here now I am again
[16:31] <kz6fittycent> hello SebthreeBQM10HD
[16:31] <kz6fittycent> haha
[16:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> kz6fittycent, hello stranger :d
[16:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or not quite h eh he h
[16:34] <Mickle> Hi
[16:34] <brunch875> hello!
[16:34] <Mickle> Actually, i have some question abou ubuntu touch
[16:35] <Mickle> i'm not sure , im in the right place or not
[16:35] <brunch875> haha this is probably the best place to ask such a question
[16:35] <Mickle> ok
[16:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Mickle yes this is the right place whats your question
[16:36] <kz6fittycent> SebthreeBQM10HD, I just in here now...
[16:36] <Mickle> I wondering why ubuntu touch is too slow
[16:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> kz6fittycent, hmm?
[16:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Mickle, slow how and on what device?
[16:36] <kz6fittycent> man, I need a new laptop...my keyboard isn't typing all the letters...
[16:36] <Mickle> and don't have very typical feature
[16:36] <Mickle> ?
[16:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> kz6fittycent, oh I see you have left the other channel
[16:36] <kz6fittycent> SebthreeBQM10HD, were you not in the ubuntu-on-air channel
[16:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yep we can continue our chat here
[16:37] <kz6fittycent> okay, good, I was worried that there were two of you!
[16:37] <dobey> it's not too slow on my nexus 5; and it has typical features
[16:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Mickle, which device?
[16:37] <Mickle> i try in nexus 4
[16:37] <dobey> Mickle: so what "typical features" do you mean?
[16:37] <Mickle> in my meizu pro 5 ofcource it's better
[16:37] <dobey> it's generally pretty smooth on my nexus 4 too
[16:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Ubuntu Touch has worked nicely on my BQ Aquarias E 4.5
[16:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and
[16:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Meizu MX 4
[16:38] <Mickle> but in that one also alow
[16:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and if it was to slow on my tablet well
[16:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I woudn/t be using it right now with this name :d
[16:38] <s`> it's not smoothless indeed
[16:38] <s`> even on my pro5
[16:38] <dobey> Mickle: i think you need to clarify what exactly you mean by "slow" because in general, slow is not how i'd describe it
[16:38] <kz6fittycent> I only use uTouch. I've been using it on my nexus 4
[16:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> can sometimes depending on what using the bluetooth keyboard with b be a bit slow to type with though, but other then that its fine enough for speed
[16:39] <dobey> but if you think it's slow, get a 2012 Nexus 7 and try running android 5 on it
[16:39] <Mickle> dobey: when i open note or other apps
[16:39] <dobey> app start can be a little latent, yes. there are performance optimizations being worked on to improve that
[16:40] <Mickle> WORST THING IS in terminal i don't have full control
[16:40] <dobey> ?
[16:40] <Mickle> most of the commands in terminal doesn't work
[16:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dobey, if I buy the Full HD  version of the Android E5, and then try and put Ubuntu on it myself, I guess that would work?  seems BQ no longer sell the Ubuntu Edition of the 4.5 and E5 HD so
[16:40] <dobey> what commands?
[16:41] <kz6fittycent> Mickle, are you referring to "apt-get" commands?
[16:41] <Mickle> everything u thinkex, man
[16:41] <Mickle> info
[16:41] <dobey> SebthreeBQM10HD: you need the tools from bq to repartition the device; and i'm not sure if the full hd one is the same hardware exactly
[16:41] <dobey> Mickle: well, the terminal app is not shipped by default, if you want to use CLI tools, make a chroot and install the things you want to use, inside that chroot
[16:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dobey, yeah they got like a flashing software  on a  site for download I seen that
[16:41] <kz6fittycent> Mickle, or are you referring to commands like ssh, cd, ls, etc?
[16:42] <dobey> Mickle: so man/info pages are a waste of disk space for a consumer phone device
[16:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dobey, seems the E5 thats on sale on Amazon is the FHD so
[16:42] <Mickle> Kz6fittycen: actually i'm nit sure
[16:42] <Mickle> but i find command on net
[16:42] <dobey> SebthreeBQM10HD: i'd say "ask bq" :)
[16:42] <Mickle> adn follow them
[16:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dobey, the Flashing software will work with the Android version, but indeed hardwaer may be diffenret.  there customer support is usless mostly
[16:42] <dobey> Mickle: http://askubuntu.com/a/623311/50737
[16:43] <mhall119> kz6fittycent: GPS takes a long time to acquire on the Nexus 4
[16:43] <mhall119> even using the Aquaris channel with the Nokia HERE AGPS
[16:43] <mhall119> it's been my experience that the AGPS works well in some areas, and not at all in others, which indicates holes in Nokia's data
[16:44] <kz6fittycent> So, yesterday, I was going to update my /etc/hosts file on my N4 to do some adblocking...alas /etc/hosts is "read-only" and I'm too chicken to change that!
[16:44] <mhall119> not surprisingly, Google is has much more data and does a better job at this with Android
[16:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> kz6fittycent, I got mhall119 to message you here :d since he started replying in the other channel
[16:44] <mhall119> yeah, didn't realize you had already left there
[16:44] <kz6fittycent> ah! mhall119 I was worried that I'd missed something!!
[16:45] <kz6fittycent> thanks SebthreeBQM10HD
[16:45] <kz6fittycent> mhall119, yeah same with mine. Sometimes it's dead on and fast and at others, it thinks I'm on another street.
[16:46] <kz6fittycent> mhall119, so, I am sorry to pester you about uDropCabin but it's actually working for you?
[16:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dobey, I guess got a Android phone if it doesnt work :d I havent flashed any phone yet
[16:46] <mhall119> kz6fittycent: yeah, just tried it again after you said you were having problems and I was able to download files just fine
[16:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dobey, but was thinking of maybe buying that one and then trying to flash it later on some time :d
[16:47] <kz6fittycent> wow... I've tried several times to get it to work. Visited the dev's Git page and he's got nothing to help me out. I can sign in but that's it...
[16:47] <dobey> SebthreeBQM10HD: well, feel free to try :)
[16:47] <Mickle> dobey: in the terminal i can't dellet or go into directory full like desktop?
[16:47] <Mickle> wy
[16:47] <Mickle> *why?
[16:47] <mhall119> kz6fittycent: that's very odd, do you need to give the app access within dropbox's settings somewhere?
[16:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dobey, on Amazon anyway they don't have the HD on sale, but there was one or two or so Full HD, so might buy that next month or something, and try
[16:47] <dobey> Mickle: it's a phone, not a PC. / is a small partition, and read-only, because updates are done via system images, not via apt
[16:48] <kz6fittycent> mhall119, If so, the dev didn't specify. Maybe I'll check that out...
[16:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dobey, Ebay didnt come up with much either
[16:48] <Mickle> is there any tools i can have more access?
[16:48] <kz6fittycent> mhall119, though there's that lame webapp in store for uTouch....
[16:48] <dobey> Mickle: if you want to use legacy X apps, then you need to do it via libertine container. if you want CLI tools, you should use libertine container or a chroot
[16:48] <dobey> Mickle: i just pasted you the answer
[16:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dobey, An Android phone with kit kat though hmm a older version, but that woudnt be to bad
[16:49] <dobey> Mickle: of course, you can also break your phone and keep all the pieces. it's unsupported if you do though. it's still ubuntu, so you can technically do whatever you want in it. but making / r/w and breaking your phone isn't supported :)
[16:49] <mhall119> kz6fittycent: try going to https://www.dropbox.com/account#security and seeing if uDropCabin is listed at the bottom with "Full Dropbox" Access type
[16:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dobey, it did say on the site that should be able to put UBuntu on  the Android phones with there software,  but yes maybe there is enough difference for it not to work since the screens are diffenret for a start hmm
[16:50] <dobey> SebthreeBQM10HD: if it has the same kernel and just a different device name, then might be easy enough to flash
[16:50] <dobey> SebthreeBQM10HD: but like i said, i don't know the details :)
[16:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dobey, well I guess  they have two E5 's  the HD and the FHD probably rather similar hardware between the two as well except for the screen
[16:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I coudnt find a HD for sale so
[16:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but a Fhd or two or so yep
[16:51] <dobey> SebthreeBQM10HD: right, that's usually how it is, but i can't say for certain
[16:52] <dobey> i don't build the phones :)
[16:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dobey, true but you know about Ubuntu on phones :d more than me
[16:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh and an actsual Ubuntu Edition  BQ HD E5 may go on sale  some wehre in a year or so, but then it will be a even older phone etc
[16:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> annoyingly BQ  seem to no longer sell the two phones
[16:53] <Mickle> dobey: thanks, just where can i tell about bugs and Suggestion about apps and ubuntu touch?
[16:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dobey, I have like pretty much eveyr other Ubuntu device so far it seems,  as in the 4.5 and MX 4,  and M10 HD, but missing something h eh
[16:54] <dobey> Mickle: see the topic
[16:54] <Mickle> i write a lot of idea ubuntu touch and aome aps
[16:54] <kz6fittycent> Dang SebthreeBQM10HD you've been busy buying all those uTouch devices
[16:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> kz6fittycent, yes seems so :d
[16:54] <kz6fittycent> lol
[16:54] <dobey> though app suggestions aren't generally helpful. there are plenty of "app suggestion" lists floating around
[16:55] <dobey> but nothing official
[16:55] <Mickle> ok thanks
[16:55] <kz6fittycent> dobey, suggestions are like ...opinions... everyone's got one!! LOL
[16:55] <Mickle> have good time
[16:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> kz6fittycent, I kept on h9olidng off  the maybe buying the BQ  E5 Ubuntu Edidition, since I already had the other two phones, and didnt really need that one as a result etc
[16:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> kz6fittycent, plus it kept on being in stock on BQs website untill more recently
[16:57] <dobey> kz6fittycent: pretty much
[16:57]  * SebthreeBQM10HD doesnt really have a Android phone anymore as well except for that old  Samsuing Galasxy S3  and  a really old one same one gave me like thre years ago if that counts.  so maybe getting a Android phone upgrade if  what I put  above doesnt work etc,  wo9udnt be to bad :d
[16:57] <kz6fittycent> mhall119, well, it's not showing up...
[16:57] <kz6fittycent> mhall119, the linked apps in Dropbox that is
[16:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> kz6fittycent, I guess once you reolise you have nearly everything so far,  you sometimes think, oh but I am missing.... maybe I will buy that eventually or I will but when h eh
[16:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> kz6fittycent, luckily I dont seem to be interested in it being ported to things lilke the one plus  or fair phone  in the sense of then wanting to go and buy those phones myself :d
[16:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> :) not :d
[16:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> kz6fittycent, and when some more common make finally probably sels an Ubuntu Phone,   Sony or whoever it may be, I probably won't just be running off to buy that one, if you get what I mean :d
[16:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> may not buy at all,  I don/t want to many phones :d
[16:59] <kz6fittycent> mhall119, yeah when I kill the app and restart it, it just asks me to sign in again...I give up.
[17:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> kz6fittycent, the Meizu Pro 5 is good, I will be buying that  maybe later on  this summer hmm
[17:00] <kz6fittycent> SebthreeBQM10HD, yeah I do. If the Meizu Pro 5 would support LTE in the US (different freq.) then I wouldn't hesitate to buy one..
[17:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> kz6fittycent, well I am in the UK so it will be fine for networks here :d and not our fault the rest of the world :d, that you in the US have some diffenret network h  eh
[17:01] <kz6fittycent> SebthreeBQM10HD, don't hate!! :)
[17:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> kz6fittycent, and I am not so sure I would want to go to the US again :d  since the air port stuff hmm
[17:02] <mhall119> kz6fittycent: there's a github URL listed as the contact for the app developer (long-click the app icon in the launcher to see it), best to open an issue for him there
[17:03] <mariogrip> mhall119: we are having the meeting today in 30 mins right?
[17:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> kz6fittycent, I think you can buy the M10 tablet to US
[17:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> kz6fittycent, those are good devices  :)
[17:03] <mhall119> mariogrip: I'm good to go if you are
[17:04] <kz6fittycent> SebthreeBQM10HD, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/05/meizu-pro-5-unboxing this guy lives in the US and uses ATT. He said that he gets HSPA or whatever it's called. But not 4g/LTE
[17:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mhall119, mariogrip what kind of meeting :d ?
[17:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> kz6fittycent, yeah I havr read about that that it deosnt quite work with the US networks
[17:04] <mariogrip> mhall119: yeah
[17:04] <mhall119> SebthreeBQM10HD: he and I have weekly meetings to talk about his work
[17:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> kz6fittycent, but with the tablet  that woudnt be an issue since  thats not for use on mobile networks anyway
[17:05] <kz6fittycent> SebthreeBQM10HD, uTouch only supports GSM networks right now. We have both CDMA and GSM in the US. It's the LTE part for GSM that's the only issue.
[17:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> kz6fittycent, oh well move to EUrope then :d,  yes I am joking :)
[17:06] <kz6fittycent> SebthreeBQM10HD, I thought about buying a Nexus 7 and running Touch on it. My brother does. Though he doesn't ever really use it. He's more of an Android guy. He
[17:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> kz6fittycent, if you want a nice Ubuntu device!
[17:06] <kz6fittycent> SebthreeBQM10HD, I wouldn't mind visiting again
[17:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> kz6fittycent, I would suggest recommend the tablet, I guess not hte HD but the Fhd  like the fan boys :d
[17:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> kz6fittycent, eventaully I will buy the FHD as well thats the plan, yes b oth M10's :d
[17:07] <kz6fittycent> SebthreeBQM10HD, but alas, I am 'merikan through and through!
[17:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but that's a tablet, not for use as a mobile phone
[17:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> in fact in the OTA `11 upgade I beive hte phone app got remoed as  a result of it not having hardware for that
[17:07] <kz6fittycent> SebthreeBQM10HD, what's the FHD tablet?
[17:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> kz6fittycent, or you could wait for Ubuntu  desktop to pretty much turn into the same thing as ubuntu touch :d
[17:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> thats  where things are going
[17:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> with Unity 8 and libertine etc
[17:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> kz6fittycent, there are two versions  of the BQ M10 tablet, I bought the cheaper of the two first
[17:08] <kz6fittycent> oh okay
[17:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> the rejected by most people versoin first :d
[17:09] <kz6fittycent> Hey, gotta go! Nice meeting you SebthreeBQM10HD! Probably see you next week!
[17:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> kz6fittycent, if you read omgubuntu for example, and read anything about the tablet, you would be see that most of it was banging on about the full HD ,  and in the sense that the HD version what I am using now,  is  not good etc
[17:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh  gone already, oh well
[17:21] <mariogrip> are we ready? https://oneplus.net/oneplus-3
[17:23] <mariogrip> Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 820, 16 MP camera, 6GB RAM (6 yes 6)
[17:38] <dobey> mariogrip: is it < 5"?
[17:40] <dobey> nope :(
[17:40] <dobey> 5.5" screen, and a bunch of space taken up by a button
[17:41] <dobey> lol, type-c, but not usb 3.1? pfft
[18:05] <mariogrip> dobey: :P
[18:06] <dobey> how hard is it to make a phone with a 4.5" screen that's at least 1080p
[18:12] <mariogrip> dobey: that's too small for me :P
[18:17] <dobey> mariogrip: well, you can have a big phone if you want. i just wish they'd make phones with this great quad/octa-core 64bit hardware and massive ram and storage, in a more reasonable size like 4.5"
[18:19] <mariogrip> dobey: yeah, i dunno why, but maybe it's enough  demand for it
[18:20] <mariogrip> or not enough space for that hardware without having a thick phone
[18:23] <dobey> mariogrip: well, iPhone 5S is still that size :)
[18:24] <dobey> and 6S is 4.7"
[18:24] <dobey> 1334x750 pixels
[18:25] <dobey> ooh
[18:25] <mariogrip> dobey: yeah, but that's iphone
[18:25] <dobey> and the new iPhone SE is 4" display
[18:25] <mariogrip> dobey: how about the oneplus x? 5 in
[18:26] <dobey> mariogrip: yeah, but the point is that there is obviously demand for phones of this size
[18:26] <mariogrip> dobey: but not as much as bigger phones
[18:27] <dobey> mariogrip: i don't think there's that much demand for bigger phones. there's demand for features, and android phone makers are only putting features into big phones
[18:27] <mariogrip> dobey: make some sense, bigger phone, more space to put hardware
[18:28] <dobey> mariogrip: the hardware isn't bigger, so that's a non-argument really :)
[18:28] <mariogrip> dobey: :P well, i don't makes phones, so i dunno lol :P
[18:29] <mariogrip> 5.1 on hammerhead needs some testing this week, if that goes well i think it's ready for rc-proposed
[18:30] <dobey> mariogrip: well, the CPUs aren't really any different from commodity PC CPUs in terms of advancement. as time progresses the dies get smaller, not bigger. :)
[18:30] <dobey> so a CPU that once had 2 cores can now have 4, or 8
[18:30] <dobey> anyway
[18:30] <mariogrip> dobey: also, bigger phone, bigger heat sink (the phone)
[18:30] <dobey> mariogrip: cool. so you figured out the crazy framebuffer flicker thing?
[18:31] <mariogrip> dobey: yeah, vsync issue
[18:31] <dobey> mariogrip: i think mostly the reason for the bigger phones is bigger flatter batteries, because android has historically been very bad at power management; especially with arbitrary apps running all the time
[18:31] <dobey> sweet
[18:32] <dobey> mariogrip: and wifi with wpa?
[18:32] <mariogrip> dobey: yeah, after 5.0 has much better power handling
[18:32] <mariogrip> dobey: jup, that works now
[18:33] <mariogrip> I need to do some more debugging on bluetooth, it drops out 3 seconds after i connect something sometimes it does not start
[18:33] <dobey> mariogrip: sweet.
[18:33] <dobey> i might flash it on again later and give it another try then
[18:34] <mariogrip> dobey: i haven't pushed anything yet, i can ping you when i have
[18:34] <mariogrip> dobey: usb setting fixed also, so adb works
[18:35] <dobey> ok great
[18:35] <dobey> yeah, ping me when you get the fixed build pushed up :)
[18:35] <mariogrip> dobey: yup :)
[18:37] <dobey> i have many bt gadgets i want to use with my phone :)
[18:38] <mariogrip> convergence :D
[18:38] <dobey> just ordered a neat fitness bracelet thing; trying to convince them to publish docs for communicating with the device
[18:38] <dobey> nah, keyboard/mouse aren't really things i want to connect to my phone, genrally
[18:39] <mariogrip> dobey: you could "sniff" the calls that get send over bt and create an app using that
[18:40] <dobey> mariogrip: yeah, the problem is their app only works on android or ios phones; and i don't have any of those. only android device i have is a 2012 nexus 7, which the app won't install on :-/
[18:40] <dobey> maybe i can try to do some funky thing with ARC or whatever to get it running on my PC
[18:41] <mariogrip> dobey: yeah, ARC might work
[18:42] <dobey> it's too bad they took down their app for the headset from the play store too. trying to get them to give me info on that so i can do the cool extra things with it
[18:42] <mariogrip> dobey: yeah
[18:44] <dobey> http://www.slashgear.com/jawbone-era-review-2014-16313375/
[18:44] <mariogrip> dobey: there might be something on github that someone else have been working/hacked on
[18:46] <dobey> i haven't found anything
[22:59] <Drew_Neilson> Hi
[23:00] <Drew_Neilson> What are Ubuntu's equivalent of MS Windows' universal apps called?
[23:04] <k1l> do you mean the snap packages? or clickpackages that are used on the phones right now?
[23:05] <Drew_Neilson> I don't know.
[23:06] <k1l> can you rephrase or detail your question?
[23:07] <Drew_Neilson> If I want to do a Google search for a game that works on both Ubuntu Touch and desktop Ubuntu, what is/are the search terms to use?
[23:07] <Drew_Neilson> Game or app
[23:08] <k1l> i am not sure if snap packages are supported on the ubuntu touch right now.
[23:09] <Drew_Neilson> So are you saying that Ubuntu does not have a platform for apps to run on both Ubuntu Touch and desktop Ubuntu?
[23:12] <k1l> that is not surprising since most apps/games are not specialised to be run on small touchscreen devices.  but snap is going to be a universal package format and will close this gap.
[23:15] <Drew_Neilson> So at some point in the future, if I want to find a racing game that works on both Ubuntu Touch and desktop Ubuntu, I'd Google [Ubuntu click package racing game]?
[23:15] <k1l> i guess "snap packages". but that will mean the package is made for all form factors.
[23:17] <k1l> click packages is what is now used on the ubuntu-touch devices
[23:17] <Drew_Neilson> Oops, I meant [Ubuntu snap package racing game]
[23:18] <Drew_Neilson> Ok, so in the future if I want a racing game that works on both Ubuntu Touch and desktop Ubuntu, I'd Google [Ubuntu snap package racing game]?
[23:19] <k1l> i guess so.
[23:21] <Drew_Neilson> Honestly, it sound like Ubuntu and Canonical are WAY behind Microsoft when it comes to universal apps. There are already apps that run on both Windows 10 on desktops and Windows 10 on phones.
[23:22] <Drew_Neilson> The IRC app that I am typing this text into us a universal app that runs on both Windows 10 for phones and for desktops.
[23:22] <k1l> Drew_Neilson: the plan is not to have a ubuntu on desktop and ubuntu on phones in the end. but to have one ubuntu running on all formfactors.
[23:24] <k1l> and on that race windows is far behind ;p
[23:25] <Drew_Neilson> Well Microsoft realized that they can't just dump all of the old software that runs on Windows on  x86
[23:25] <Drew_Neilson> they have to maintain Windows on x86 desktops AND Windows on phones and tablets.
[23:26] <Drew_Neilson> And gradually get developers to write for the universal app platform.
[23:27] <Drew_Neilson> Doesn't Ubuntu have the same problem?
[23:27] <troyready> Drew_Neilson: yes -- libertine is the current strategy for handling legacy apps https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Libertine
[23:28] <troyready> (install instructions on that page are out of date iirc -- it comes ootb on recent OTAs)
[23:28] <k1l> ubuntu works on expanding the codebase from the ubuntu-touch base and migrating that with the desktop codebase. look for "convergence" and ubuntu
[23:30] <bregma> right now, clicks work fine under Unity 8 on Ubuntu "yakketty yak", assuming they're build for x86 as well as ARM
[23:32] <bregma> until snaps work on mobile versions of Ubuntu, that's the universal package format
[23:33] <bregma> the hardware graphics acceleration is still not satisfactory for X11-based apps (XApps) though
[23:34] <Drew_Neilson> My head's about to explode. This seems to be MUCH more technical than I thought it would be.
[23:35] <bregma> well, we can run any old desktop app on any device, but it's still rough around the edges and games may be slow...  also, most any old desktop apps don;t work well on small touchscreens as opposed to desktop-sized monitors with mice and keyboards
[23:36] <troyready> Drew_Neilson: that's probably not an incorrect assertation. It's still all pretty dev-preview-esque right now. Not like the works-out-of-the-box state of Ubuntu on the desktop
[23:37] <k1l> most people underestimate what it means to use a regular desktop app on a small touchscreen. most regular desktop apps cant be used in a proper way.
[23:39] <bregma> libertine will come out of the box on *all* devices with OTA-12, but still requires CLI usage to install apps as a barrier to casual use until it's more ready
[23:39] <Drew_Neilson> All I know is, if I want a racing game that works on both Windows 10 desktops and Windows 10 Mobile, I'd need to Google [universal Windows platform racing game]. Simple as that.
[23:40] <bregma> it'll happen with Ubuntu, but it's still under open and public development
[23:42] <k1l> game makers werent that happy about UWPs api beeing not open and other restrictions.
[23:42] <bregma> I suspect you're not going to find Windows does what you're looking for in the next year, either
[23:44] <Drew_Neilson> bregma: There are already several UWP apps. I'm using a Windows 10 Mobile phone with some of them installed on it.
[23:46] <Drew_Neilson> I'm not trying to sound like a MS fanboi, I'm just interested in convergence, which leads me to compare the Windows ecosystem with the Ubuntu (ecosystem?) and the Google ecosystem.
[23:51] <k1l> Drew_Neilson: MS got the best desktop ecosystem, google the best smartphone one. ubuntu is building both combined.
[23:53] <k1l> the ubuntu convergence looks quite promising if you look at how the devices changed in recent years. the desktop is dying( at home) while phones get more powerfull and can run desktops when connected with monitor, mouse and keyboard.
[23:53] <Drew_Neilson> k1l: Yeah but it sounds like Ubuntu Touch is not consumer-ready, whereas Windows 10 Mobile is (I'm using it right now.)
[23:54] <k1l> Drew_Neilson: its consumer ready. a lot of users us it right now.
[23:55] <bregma> Drew_Neilson, there are already several convergent Ubuntu apps (shipping on phones and tablets no less), and we just had the Unity 8 development team dogfooding their development environment using Unity 8 so you know it's gotta be fairly advanced
[23:55] <bregma> that's the same software, phone or desktop
[23:55] <bregma> *that* is convergence
[23:57] <Drew_Neilson> Ok, so I'd there are Ubuntu apps available for downloading that run on phone and desktop, what words denote that they run on both? What words in their store lusting denote that they run on both?
[23:58] <Drew_Neilson> *if
[23:58] <Drew_Neilson> *listing
[23:59] <k1l> Drew_Neilson: ok. lets explain it the other way:


[00:32] <hggdh> ircc -- keeping on with the revamp of the #ubuntu-br-* namespace, please give tiagoscd and myself admin access to #ubuntu-br-pe, and #ubuntu-br-seguranca
[01:13] <JoseeAntonioR> hggdh: hey, please make it in a way it doesn't get confused with #ubuntu-pe, I've sometimes had people message me in portuguese saying 'why are you not active?'
[01:48] <hggdh> JoseeAntonioR: unfortunately, that's the official abbreviation of the state's name
[01:48] <JoseeAntonioR> hggdh: yep, in case I get someone I'll just forward
[01:49] <hggdh> JoseeAntonioR: yes, please do so.
[01:49] <JoseeAntonioR> :)
[08:04] <tannji> hello, as suggested in the ubuntu wiki, I would like to request a cloak.  LP profile:  https://launchpad.net/~onathan1   As far as I know I have fulfilled all the prerequisites
[08:10] <IdleOne> tannji: You haven't actually been approved as a member yet.
[08:11] <IdleOne> make sure you read that link ubottu sent you.
[08:11] <tannji> I want aware that requesting a cloak required membership, just that it was a somewhat more secure way to use IRC, and that asking for a Ubuntu cloak was closely tied to the acceptance of the code of conduct....
[08:11] <tannji> wasnt*
[08:12] <IdleOne> well it is, but it also has some other requirements
[08:12] <IdleOne> you can request an unaffiliated cloak in the mean time in #freenode after you register your nick
[08:13] <tannji> I see, I guess I will do that in the meantime.  at what point did I apply for a membership?  was it implied by signing the code of conduct?
[08:14] <IdleOne> you haven't actually applied yet. Signing the code of conduct is the first step
[08:14] <IdleOne> !membership
[08:15] <IdleOne> the above link gives you all the info needed to get you started on the right track.
[08:16] <tannji> right, read that link....  my contributions to this point have been limited to shedding the occasional tear when I break LightDM yet again, and helping the rare person in #Ubuntu who actually knows less than I do.. or is at least less willing to look stuff up.
[08:16] <tannji> thanks for the info  = )
[08:17] <IdleOne> IRC contribution is definitely a way towards membership
[08:17] <IdleOne> My pleasure.
[13:04] <hggdh> ircc -- keeping on with the #ubuntu-br-* namespace revamp, please give admin access to tiagoscd and myself to #ubuntu-br-pe and #ubuntu-br-seguranca
[15:24] <tsimpson> if you guys have so many channels, it may make sense for you to create an admin account (NickServ) and have that account get all the flags
[15:27] <k1l> that is actually the way we handle that with the german ubuntu channels.
[15:27] <k1l> it makes thinks alot easier when the team-leaders change
[15:27] <k1l> *things
[15:41] <hggdh> tsimpson: I did not know about that (never got to admin that many channels). Will look into it.
[15:42] <hggdh> any pointer to wher I should look for info on that?
[15:53] <tsimpson> hggdh: you can always ask the IRCC, it's what the UbuntuIrcCouncil account is for
[15:54] <tsimpson> you just register an account and share the password (securely) between members of the admin team
[15:54] <tsimpson> and change the password whenever someone leaves
[15:56] <hggdh> ircc -- ^^^ please consider yourselves asked
[16:15] <Pici> hggdh: its up to you to create the account.  Once you do that, just let us know the name and we can grant it access on your channels.
[16:17] <k1l> hggdh: we did set up an nickserv account and gave them the owner flags of the german channels. the team leaders know the nickserv password and can change the flags with that account (regular op or leader accounts dont have that flags)
[16:19] <hggdh> yes, it sounds like the way to go. I really do not want to keep pestering the ircc with those requests. Will discuss it with the BR council, and decide on a course
[16:19] <hggdh> hopefully, this will be the course :-)
[16:20] <Pici> Well, you might still need to pester us, but then it would only be to add one account to a channel.
[16:21] <hggdh> heh. Indeed. But it should happen just once, and just one account (of course, there are, IDK, 20+ channels)
[16:22] <hggdh> 35 that we identified, so far


[00:14] <Wild_Man> Hi Bashing-om is this the same as the other security issue found by Netflix? https://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-outs-important-linux-kernel-security-update-for-all-ubuntu-releases-526440.shtml ?
[00:15] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: looking.
[00:15] <Wild_Man> I have to take my wife to the Doctor tomorrow afternoon so I may be late arriving to publish
[00:15] <Wild_Man> Just asking, not wanting you to change anything
[00:17] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Same same :) For tomorrow - I do not know that there is set deadline to do the media publishing :P
[00:18] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, just letting you know so you do not panic if no one is here early
[00:19] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Ho-kay :) Will not sweat it :P
[00:19] <Wild_Man> Okay, I just like keeping people informed
[00:20] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: I take it that you have looked over UWN584 and all looks good ?
[00:20] <Wild_Man> Yes, it looks good
[00:20] <Wild_Man> Great Job!:)
[00:20] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: One down 2 to go for acceptance :)
[01:18] <guiverc2> i'm just reading 584 on wiki,  we possibly should have posted https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2019-June/000245.html to fridge?  probably too late now..
[01:20] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, have a look please, seems to be contradicting info https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/06/is-ubuntu-not-dropping-32-bit-app-support-after-all
[01:20] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: looking.
[01:21] <Wild_Man> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/i386-architecture-will-be-dropped-starting-with-eoan-ubuntu-19-10/11263/84?u=d0od
[01:22] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: "Updated 9 hours ago" ^^ for consideration to next week's edition. For now I suggest we go with what is.
[01:23] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I understand that it is a time issue but we have people of the forum and other places already jumping ship, I think it would be bad press to report what we know is not the true intentions of Canonical and to cause more users to stop using Ubuntu
[01:24] <Wild_Man> stop/start
[01:24] <Wild_Man> May just had the correction below the one there already?
[01:24] <Wild_Man> had/add
[01:28] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Well .. Yeah - we can do that .. and agree here that publishing the amendment is a good thing. And too will be good to make it early :)
[01:32] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I know we like to keep the news in the week that it belongs but I think doing that over mitigating the the damage that can be done by not correcting the report is far worse, we have a duty to report the facts as we know them
[01:33] <Wild_Man> This is just a fluke that does not happen often
[01:33] <Wild_Man> Steam had already decided to drop support for Ubuntu, so it was snowing balling quickly
[01:39] <guiverc2> I finished read-thru #584, looks great.
[01:45] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: guiverc2 :: Joey Sneddon on a clarification of intent by Canonical’s Steve Langasek. Steve relates that rather than dropping 32 bit support in the 19.10 release, 32 bit libraries are to be frozen at the 18.04 LTS versions. Meaning that 32 bit libraries will continue to work on Ubuntu 19.10. Further information of how i386 applications "can be run on versions of Ubuntu later than
[01:45] <Bashing-om> 19.10” is pending.
[01:47] <guiverc2> i haven't read that latest; but looking back I'd agree with Wild_Man in that being accurate (to fact) outweighs being week perfect (as to time.. this time now; pre-actual-release allows us to correct/update minor things before final publish..)
[01:49] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: guiverc2 :: Doing so ... Any comments on what I propose to add ^^ ?
[01:49] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, looks good
[01:50] <guiverc2> I'd add (still reading it though)
[01:51] <guiverc2> do you want me to write summary (in gdoc or wherever?)
[01:53] <Wild_Man> guiverc2, Bashing-om is adding it to the wiki so I see no reason to add it to gdoc unless you just want to
[01:54] <guiverc2> no need at all; it was I thought an easier place to write a summary if wanted..
[01:54] <guiverc2> (thinking of the wiki timer; and remembering prior summaries I've tried to write in under wiki.timer..)
[01:59] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: guiverc2 See UWN584 now. Have added the clarification ( editied); see if yall like it.
[02:04] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, looking
[02:04] <guiverc2> Excellent !   .. (though not a fan of having Rumour in the heading, but it's in the heading and consistent with uwn practices)
[02:06] <Bashing-om> guiverc2: Not to shabby for something done in haste :P - If I do say so myself. Wild_Man ?
[02:07] <guiverc2> :)
[02:07] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, it does look good, I am think you may want to include the two links that I have here as well https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2395520&page=3
[02:08] <Wild_Man> Sorry for the extra work this late in the game
[02:08] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Hey - not done until it is done !
[02:09] <Wild_Man> Very unusual situation
[02:13] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: "https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/i386-architecture-will-be-dropped-starting-with-eoan-ubuntu-19-10/11263/82" is  not the article reference "A link to the Discourse " good enough ?
[02:15] <Wild_Man> That link says page not found
[02:17] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Which link ? All I have tried here do complete.
[02:20] <Wild_Man> This link lets people stay up to date and participate in the discussion https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2019-June/000245.html and this one is the direct conversation form the person that was was misinterpreted https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/i386-architecture-will-be-dropped-starting-with-eoan-ubuntu-19-10/11263/84?u=d0od he goes by vorlon
[02:21] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, ^^^
[02:22] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Considering :)
[02:22] <Wild_Man> For whatever reason I am not able to get that link to work correctly, but I will leave it up to you, I think at least the link that lets people participate in the discussion
[02:23] <Wild_Man> should be included, it makes people feel good
[02:23] <Wild_Man> to have a voice
[02:24] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: "with eoan (Ubuntu 19.10)" is our lead article. Looking next at the announcemnt.
[02:25] <Wild_Man> Okay Bashing-om
[02:30] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: I do recoomend we leave the Article as is. We wnat to pronmpt the reader to open a article and read it, thus I feel "A link to the Discourse..." will serve better that purpose.
[02:30] <Bashing-om> we want to prompt*
[02:31] <Wild_Man> Ok Bashing-om it works for me
[02:32] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: :D .. not set in concrete until I push that Big Red Button at 20:00 hours GMT tomnorrow.
[02:33] <Wild_Man> :)
[02:35] <Bashing-om> (and even then it has been known to have to go back and fix an Ooopps )
[02:35] <Bashing-om> If we are all set now - I am logging out of UWN.
[02:49] <Wild_Man> good night Bashing-om
[02:51] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: NN :)
[03:43] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: Valve Says Steam for Linux Won't Support Ubuntu 19.10 and Future Releases @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/valve-says-steam-for-linux-won-t-support-ubuntu-19-10-and-future-releases-526495.shtml (by Marius Nestor)
[13:56] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: Official Raspberry Pi OS Updated with Raspberry Pi 4 Support, Based on Debian 10 @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/official-raspberry-pi-os-updated-with-raspberry-pi-4-support-based-on-debian-10-526507.shtml (by Marius Nestor)
[14:39] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: The Raspberry Pi 4 is Here — And It Sounds Like a BEAST! @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=145358 (by Joey Sneddon)
[15:05] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: Canonical Assures Users 32-bit Apps Will Run on Ubuntu 19.10 and Future Releases @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-assures-users-32-bit-apps-will-run-on-ubuntu-19-10-and-future-releases-526508.shtml (by Marius Nestor)
[16:33] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Full Circle Magazine: Full Circle Weekly News #136 @ https://fullcirclemagazine.org/podcast/full-circle-weekly-news-136/
[17:33] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Canonical Design Team: Statement on 32-bit i386 packages for Ubuntu 19.10 and 20.04 LTS @ https://insights.ubuntu.com/2019/06/24/statement-on-32-bit-i386-packages-for-ubuntu-19-10-and-20-04-lts/
[18:07] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Ubuntu Reverses Decision, Says It Will Continue To Support 32-bit Apps @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=145443 (by Joey Sneddon)
[19:24] <Bashing-om> Pulling "WIP" target time to pish 20:00 GMT.
[20:03] <Bashing-om> M/L is away - doing the forum post next.
[20:32] <Bashing-om> Forum post -finally- done .. doing the re-directs next.
[20:42] <Bashing-om> Hey ! https://ubuntu.com/blog/statement-on-32-bit-i386-packages-for-ubuntu-19-10-and-20-04-lts .. Gonna again do a quick edit!
[20:48] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: Canonical Releases Linux Kernel Security Patch for 64-Bit PowerPC Ubuntu Systems @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-releases-linux-kernel-security-patch-for-64-bit-powerpc-ubuntu-systems-526512.shtml (by Marius Nestor)
[20:57] <Bashing-om> edited the WIKI and the forum post . See if what I have done is acceptable.
[21:05] <Bashing-om> Re-directs done. See the edits I made to the WIKI before we do more .
[21:34] <Bashing-om> Editing the WIKI again: http://ubuntustudio.org/2019/06/regarding-ubuntus-statement-on-32-bit-i386-packages/ .
[22:01] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Riccardo Padovani: Using AWS Textract in an automatic fashion with AWS Lambda @ https://rpadovani.com/aws-textract
[22:01] <Bashing-om> And edit yet again: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-Partial-32-Bit-19.10
[22:17] <guiverc> thanks Bashing-om, whilst I'd rather return to bed (only ~5oC outside even with sun)  shall I publish #584 to fridge
[22:22] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I know of no reason presently not to go ahead with publishing. Do you agree with how I handled the addtional developments on the 32 bit scene ?
[22:24] <guiverc> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2019/06/24/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-584/   and I included the word Issue in title :)
[22:25] <guiverc> no issues at all Bashing-om  - because it's so sensitive in Ubuntu-world (i686/386/x86) I feel perfectly appropriate!
[22:26] <guiverc> (note: I haven't read all the latest posts yet)
[22:27] <Bashing-om> guiverc: guiverc I did not summerize any of the latest .. All I did was bullet them uner the "Rumour: Ubuntu NOT Dropping 32-bit App Support After All?" heading.
[22:27] <Bashing-om> under*
[22:28] <guiverc> I saw that, but have NO issues with it at all.  Given the time line of them posting (out-of-week) I have no issues with that at all.
[22:29] <Bashing-om> guiverc: :) .. and considering there are other things in life beside UWN :P - We did well :)
[22:30] <guiverc> You do outstanding Bashing-om , I'm not doing much... (will start social media now though .. posted my mewe stuff)
[22:30] <Bashing-om> guiverc: :D
[22:31] <guiverc> tweeted
[22:32] <Bashing-om> Fridge checks - checks good :)
[22:38] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I just go in, still need to fix dinner, is all publishing done already?
[22:39] <guiverc> :)    though my getting the word "Issue" in heading pleases me..  it doesn't look as good when it's shorter (I don't like editing later as people like me that click links from liferea will get 404s etc)
[22:39] <guiverc> yeah Wild_Man, logged into fb now
[22:39] <guiverc> (not yet posted.. working my way around the..)
[22:39] <Wild_Man> okay guiverc, Thanks
[22:40] <Wild_Man> I am going to fix dinner real quick and if any publishing needs done when I am through I will get on it
[22:40] <guiverc> fb done now also.
[22:41] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: See the edits made IRT 32 bit - 2 more links added .
[22:41] <Wild_Man> Looking
[22:43] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 584 @ http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2019/06/24/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-584/
[22:44] <Wild_Man> Looks good Bashing-om great work everyone
[22:45] <Wild_Man> biab
[22:46] <Bashing-om> Clear now to wipe Gdoc ?
[22:48] <guiverc> can't see why not... we'll get new stuff soon; I'd possibly not delete the latest i386/686 stuff as we may need/want in 585 (esp. items that occur in 585 maybe; but color/mark so clear they've already been in & thus can be deleted during week..)  my 2c
[22:48] <guiverc> occur in #585's week maybe
[22:50] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Good thoght :) cleaning out Gdoc :)
[22:53] <pleia2> nice work guys, quite the job with all the i386 news bouncing around
[22:54] <guiverc> :)
[23:17] <Bashing-om> pleia2: We arise to the ocassion :)
[23:17] <Bashing-om> We now do UWN585 :D
[23:47] <Wild_Man> The late breaking conflicting information keep everyone on there toes last night


[17:26] <arraybolt3> Hey, I have a question related to Matrix moderation that I would like to ask (and possibly bring this to the ops team's attention assuming it's not already on your radar).
[17:26] <arraybolt3> Currently it seems that many of the Ubuntu rooms on Matrix (#support:ubuntu.com for instance) are being transferred to the control of the Ubuntu project and made into official rooms.
[17:27] <arraybolt3> I was made a moderator of the room that is now #support:ubuntu.com back when it was still #ubuntu:matrix.org (and later #ubuntu:xentonix.net IIUC), and still have those privileges there.
[17:27] <arraybolt3> However, as I understand it, the Matrix "officialization" (or whatever it's called) is being done in cooperation with the IRC ops team, which I *think* means the current IRC ops team will probably be taking control of that room once everything's fully ironed out.
[17:29] <arraybolt3> I enjoy helping moderate the Matrix room for Ubuntu support at the moment, and have helped clean up multiple spam events, banned trolls, and recently helped keep the channel in a state of sanity during a two-day long attack by one spammer/troll. I would like to remain a moderator of the Ubuntu Matrix room even after this transition is complete.
[17:29] <arraybolt3> Is there anything in particular I need to do now to make that happen? Or should I just wait and see what happens, and we'll figure this part out later?
[18:24] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: This is at the CC level currently, so patience please.
[18:28] <arraybolt3> Sure thing. If that means I should leave the channel since this will take a while, I'm happy to.
[18:28] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: Yeah, this is going to be a 6+ month thing.
[18:28] <arraybolt3> kk, makes sense.
[21:34] <Unit193> Ah, it is?  OK then.
[21:53] <Eickmeyer> Unit193: Yeah, things are moving slowly, unless you have more information. Per the discourse post, the Matrix instance is only in a test phase and won't even be solidified until after 24.04's release.
[21:53] <Unit193> I don't have more information, I have less. :P
[21:56] <Eickmeyer> But yes, pending CC approval, it looks like all official Ubuntu communication channels will move to a Canonical-hosted Matrix instance. https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/modern-communication-platforms-matrix-testing/40313
[21:59] <Unit193> Unfortunate, but such is life.
[22:00] <Unit193> I imagine they'll be taking a more active role in managing that then.
[22:12] <Eickmeyer> They're hoping for 1:1 governance, meaning the IRCC would be in charge of that and the ops team would move over to it.
[22:13] <Unit193> We plan on maintaining IRC as an alternate medium, aka as the forums are to Discourse.
[22:18] <Eickmeyer> I'm surprised you hadn't heard of this. Mauro had been emailing the IRCC.
[22:18] <Unit193> He's emailed, wanted to set up a call.
[22:20] <Unit193> With the spread of timezones and whatnot, calls are rather hard to do.  It never ended up happening.
[22:20] <Eickmeyer> He's at least been in contact with sarnold.
[22:21] <Unit193> Yeah.
[22:23] <Unit193> (I mean that's not really new news, just they're moving along with it.  Which was expected.)
[22:24] <Eickmeyer> I'd suggest emailing Mauro. His intention wasn't to take-over and he wanted input from the entire IRCC. I knew you would object, but I didn't know whether or not you had raised your concerns.
[22:26] <Unit193> I mean, "object" is a strong term, he can do whatever he likes.  I wouldn't consider it a "take over" either, just launching (or making it official rather) on another platform.  Sure I see it as unfortunate, but no hard feelings.
[22:28] <Unit193> Last we talked, that was the general view of the IRCC.
[22:29] <Eickmeyer> Not really. One of my biggest cautions at the time it was proposed was the governance issue, and he has been using me as an advisor (CC emeritus and all) ever since. It's not set-in-stone yet since it's ultimately up to the CC, and those discussions are underway.
[22:30] <Eickmeyer> Canonical is certainly moving to Matrix, but it's up to the CC to move to Ubuntu to Matrix.
[22:30] <Unit193> Eh, it's what they want so eventually it'll happen.
[22:33] <Unit193> Just gonna suck that I'll lose contact with the release team. :P
[22:43] <Eickmeyer> That sounds like a refusal to move to Matrix which sounds an awful lot like an objection, so I don't think it's a strong term in this case. Correct me if I'm wrong.
[22:45] <Unit193> ...But it's not, I'd prefer if you didn't color it to others like that.  If it can't be helped, then perhaps they should directly communicate with me instead.
[22:49] <Eickmeyer> I've already messaged Mauro to reach out to you.
[22:50] <Eickmeyer> BTW, I'm trying to remain neutral on all of this, not trying to color aything to anybody. :)
[22:52] <Unit193> Oh well.. I mean, you've kinda made your opinion on the whole medium used quite clear in the past. :P
[22:53] <Eickmeyer> I have, but the governance issue is also a big thing.
[22:54] <Unit193> Sure is, migration is quite the task and affects years in the future.
[22:58] <Unit193> Gist is: No as IRCC I don't have any objections, though of course as IRCC I see the move away from IRC as unfortunate.  On a personal, non IRCC note, I don't plan to move on over.