[15:49] <papa__> PatrickDickey delete multiple messages
[15:49] <juniour> guys plz look at this www.pastebin.com/D1qSXLWwa
[15:50] <adamu> MrHacks, Oh okay I was not aware of that
[15:51] <PatrickDickey> papa__: You could try CTRL key + A key to select all, then Shift+ Delete (or just Delete if you want them to go to the trash folder).
[15:51] <OerHeks> juniour, that paste is deleted, so what now?
[15:52] <PatrickDickey> Make sure you click on one of the messages first though (so it deletes those).
[15:52] <juniour> wait
[15:52] <juniour> will send you agin
[15:52] <juniour> check now http://pastebin.com/jmx1QnVC
[15:53] <papa__> PatrickDickey, I get that.. but what I am looking for is to check on a box on the left side of the message and be able to select several then click on the trash icon and have them gone.
[15:53] <papa__> He needs simple process, would like to keep it the same as it always has been for him
[15:54] <juniour> i am not able to install linux header
[15:54] <coryn|drunk> is there a package for manpages for developers? I'm missing a few things,
[15:54] <juniour> uname -r give 3.6.11+
[15:55] <ActionParsnip> Papa__: right click email -> delete
[15:55] <ActionParsnip> Juniour: what is the output of: cat /etc/issue
[15:55] <papa__> ActionParsnip then we run into the problem not doing multiple at a time..
[15:55] <MrHacks> Plugging in the device to one of the back USB ports did not resolve the issue. as, using a different USB port has failed and has only repeated problem in dmesg
[15:55] <juniour> ActionParsnip its raspberry pi
[15:56] <OerHeks> juniour, seems like an old kernel/ubuntu version to me, what version are you on?
[15:56] <papa__> i guess i'll have to give him the option of going online and getting it or trying to use the cntrl key
[15:56] <adamu> papa__, Why not keep using gmail and just install a good ad blocker because it sounds like that is what he is already using so it might be easier for him to keep using that and the ad blocker should block the ads
[15:56] <ActionParsnip> Juniour: doesnt answer my question
[15:56] <papa__> because its netscape not gmail....
[15:56] <papa__> believe me Gmail would be much better
[15:56] <juniour> uname -a output :Linux raspberrypi 3.6.11+ #538 PREEMPT Fri Aug 30 20:42:08 BST 2013 armv6l GNU/Linux
[15:57] <juniour> cat /etc/issue output : Raspbian GNU/Linux 7 \n \l
[15:57] <adamu> papa__, Oh okay.. for some reason I thought he was using gmail :/
[15:57] <papa__> adamu, I wish!
[15:57] <ActionParsnip> Juniour: raspian isnt suported here
[15:57] <as> Sorry to hear that MrHacks, that was my one recommendation :)
[15:57] <mustafa_> hi>>>>>i want to build a cloud with open stack >>>>i only can offer 2 machines>>>>with core2 duo E7400 cpu and 4GB ram each
[15:57] <juniour> ActionParsnip both linux man so concept will be same
[15:58] <ActionParsnip> Juniour: true but this channel is ubuntu support only
[15:58] <DJones> juniour: Raspian isn't based on Ubuntu, however I think they have their own support channel #rasbian (could be a ##rasbian)
[15:58] <Maddeth> Hey all, anyone know if there is a netatalk channel? Or anyone able to help me with some netatalk issues?
[15:58] <juniour> DJones i talked about linux
[15:58] <adamu> juniour, There might not be a linux headers package available for arm architectures??
[15:59] <ActionParsnip> Juniour: every distro has its own channel. You can get distro unspecific support in #linux
[15:59] <DJones> juniour: This channel only supports the official Ubuntu releases, you'll need to ask in the channel for your distro
[15:59] <ActionParsnip> Juniour: you arent using Ubuntu so are not supported here
[15:59] <juniour> adamu i given thsi command to search sudo apt-cache search linux-headers*
[15:59] <ActionParsnip> Juniour: its that clean cut.
[15:59] <papa__> My other question is, Does anyone know how to change the double click speed in Lubuntu?
[16:00] <juniour> ActionParsnip i am on ubuntu  12.04 but need to configure my other pc
[16:00] <ActionParsnip> Papa__: let me searCNN
[16:00] <ActionParsnip> Search*
[16:00] <wsky> why do you guys rewrite boot sector every time anything grub related gets updated :/
[16:00] <wsky> i just fried a tc encrypted volume because of that
[16:00] <ActionParsnip> Juniour: you arent. You are using raspian which is not supported here
[16:00] <mustafa_> hi>>>>>i want to build a cloud with open stack >>>>i only can offer 2 machines>>>>with core2 duo E7400 cpu and 4GB ram each .......can it be done ?
[16:00] <adamu> mustafa_, Yeah I don't see why you couldn't
[16:01] <juniour> ActionParsnip k bro chill. i am user of ubuntu only
[16:01] <wsky> ok then a question, what console locale should i set to use a preboot-identical keymap?
[16:01] <ActionParsnip> Juniour: you issue file says raspian. So its not ubuntu
[16:02] <MrMonkey31> hay, openCL -- does anyone know if it can increase performance on my 4 core cpu system (directly or indirectly)?  is that what it is for?
[16:02] <wsky> keymap/locale
[16:02] <ActionParsnip> Papa__: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Mouse
[16:02] <juniour> ActionParsnip what you say about this bro .Linux juniour 3.2.0-56-generic-pae #86-Ubuntu SMP Wed Oct 23 17:51:27 UTC 2013 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
 isn't there any minimium requirement for the cloud os
[16:03] <papa__> ActionParsnip, Funny thing is I changed the speed several times like that and its still not taking affect I thought i was wrong
[16:03] <wsky> google is useless nodays
[16:03] <ActionParsnip> Juniour: i asked you for the output of the file and you said raspian, the kernel you want headers for is raspian. You may have another pc with ubuntu but the issue you are having is with raspian which is not supported here
[16:04] <papa__> Just saw that you have to log out and log back in
[16:04] <papa__> haha
[16:04] <papa__> thanks yoU!
[16:04] <papa__> i'll try it now
[16:05] <r0x> hi
[16:05] <r0x> i have a little annoying problem with ubuntu
[16:06] <r0x> after i little time when i don't use my pc
[16:06] <r0x> when i do something
[16:06] <ActionParsnip> R0x: ease up on the ENTER key dude :-)
[16:06] <r0x> the brightness of the display comes up to maximum
[16:06] <ActionParsnip> R0x: after screensaver you mean?
[16:07] <Togusa> r0x: mine goes to the minimum :D
[16:07] <r0x> nope, i don't have any screensaver
[16:07] <PatrickDickey> r0x: On a laptop or a desktop?
[16:07] <r0x> laptop
[16:07] <gambi> I want to get xmonad to work with unity. unfortunately, in 13.04 "Unable to find default provider 'unity-2d-panel'" unity-2d doesn't work anymore. how can I get xmonad to work with unity?
[16:07] <ActionParsnip> R0x: so the screen randomly goes 100% brightness?
[16:08] <r0x> ActionParsnip: after x minute of disuse
[16:08] <Togusa> r0x: you can try with acpi_backlight=vendor (google it), it may or may not improve it
[16:08] <Togusa> unless someone has a better idea
[16:08] <ActionParsnip> R0x: what is the make and model of the system?
[16:08] <r0x> it's an Asus K53SJ
[16:08] <papa> ActionParsnip , I logged out however the speed stays the same
[16:08] <ActionParsnip> R0x: what is the output of: cat /etc/issue
[16:09] <papa> I also set the resolution lower and that doesn't save
[16:09] <r0x> Ubuntu 12.04.3 LTS \n \l
[16:09] <pozz> hi, so this is the bug I have: Everytime I open a text file with gedit, nothing happens until the second time I open it
[16:10] <pozz> I know there is a solution, I found one with google a few months ago for a different computer I have.
[16:10] <ActionParsnip> Pozz: is it the same with other text editors likebleafpad?
[16:10] <ActionParsnip> Like leafpad
[16:11] <r0x> ActionParsnip: so... can u help me?
[16:12] <ActionParsnip> R0x: patience child. Jesus
[16:12] <ActionParsnip> R0x: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2124825.html
[16:12] <cristian_c> Hi
[16:12] <pozz> I am not sure about leafpad
[16:13] <cristian_c> I installed qt4-qtconfig. When I open the qt configuration tool, I change the font type and size. Then I select File-> Save, and the string 'Saved changes.' appears in the statusbar
[16:13] <cristian_c> But if I close and reopen the configuration tool, I find the previous settings, as if I had not made any changes
[16:13] <pozz> leafpad works fine
[16:13] <PatrickDickey> pozz: Why are you not sure about it?
[16:14] <jhutchins> r0x: Did you try what Togusa suggested?
[16:14] <cristian_c> I installed the libqt4-core package but it had no effect. Same result installing qt4 qtconfig again. It seems to be an issue related to fonts: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=564548 but I did not understand the meaning of the last message in that report
[16:14] <ActionParsnip> Pozz: then you know it is only gedit with issue
[16:14]  * PatrickDickey scratch that. I missed the first part of the issue.
[16:14] <cristian_c> I tried to make a change in the settings either with the guest user or creating a new user. Unfortunately, the problem also occurs in these cases. Any idea?
[16:14] <pozz> PatrickDickey, because I did not try it until now
[16:15] <ActionParsnip> Pozz: is there a config for gedit in settings somewhere youncan remove to get default configs
[16:15] <pozz> Thanks ActionParsnip, it is good to know
[16:15] <cristian_c> *ideas
[16:15] <r0x> ActionParsnip: i think it's useless to edito rc.local 'cause it will modify the startup configuration of my pc
[16:15] <ActionParsnip> Pozz: is it the same in all sessions. Try Unity2D if you are using Precise
[16:15] <r0x> My problem, instead, occurs all during the execution time of the OS
[16:15] <pozz> ActionParsnip, so you are suggesting this might be somthing I configured? I don't think I changed anything about gedit
[16:16] <ActionParsnip> R0x: yes, why is that useless?
[16:17] <r0x> because, in that way, you will modify the brightness of the display at startup but it will don't override the brightness during all the time you logged in
[16:17] <pozz> okay, well I will have to log out for a brief moment to try unity 2D, brb
[16:17] <ActionParsnip> R0x:did you try the boot options on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1875982&page=3
[16:17] <r0x> it must be something related to the power saving or something like that
[16:18] <MrHacks> OK, new theory. I looked at /var/lib/usbutils/usb.ids. (see http://www.linux-usb.org/usb.ids) Every Kindle except the HD 7 and the HDX is listed in this file.  Although I wrote a /etc/udev/rules.d/51-android.rules file, the fact that the KFHD7 is not listed as one of the devices in usb.ids could be a clue as to why things are not recognized.
[16:19] <r0x> The guy said that: You can adjust the brightness to remain at a "fixed desired" level at each reboot by following this:
[16:19] <MrHacks> cat /etc/udev/rules.d/51-android.rules only has one line in it
[16:19] <MrHacks> SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTR={idVendor}=="1949", ATTR{idProduct}=="0007", MODE="0666"
[16:19] <llutz> MrHacks: "sudo update-usbids"
[16:20] <r0x> but i think that are something of ubuntu that change the brightness indipendently
[16:20] <r0x> however, i'll try it
[16:20] <pozz> ActionParsnip, the bug continues in ubuntu 2D. but there is more, in 2D, it opens a flashy icon in the launcher that just does nothing, even when click. it is replace with the text document the second time I try to open the file
[16:21] <ActionParsnip> R0x: did you try the boot options listed?
[16:21] <MrHacks> llutz: The file is up to date. However, the device is not listed.  'Amazon Kindle Fire HD 8.9"' is listed but not 'Amazon Kindle HD 7"'
[16:21] <llutz> MrHacks: isn't the syntax  "ATTRS{idVendor}=="0xxx", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0xyy" " now?
[16:21] <ActionParsnip> Pozzz: ok it definately is gedit then and not the WM causing the issue
[16:22] <r0x> ActionParsnip: yes... some time ago...
[16:22] <MrHacks> llutz: No, ATTR is correct. ATTRS is incorrect
[16:22] <ActionParsnip> R0x: i siggest you report a bug then. Arebyou on the 3.8 kernel?
[16:24] <MrHacks> I only have less than a half hour left to hang out here. So if we can wrap this up so, that would be most helpful
[16:24] <MrHacks> s/up so/up soon/
[16:24] <llutz> MrHacks: ok, but why are you using 2 different syntaxes here? ATTR={idVendor}=="1949", ATTR{idProduct}=="0007"
[16:25] <pozz> So anyone else have the 'have to open gedit twice' bug?
[16:25] <MrHacks> Explain?  One is the attribute for the manufacturer. The other is the attrbute for the possible device ID. I wrote this based on a file floating around online
[16:26]  * riskinho hi people,do you wanna earn some money?this is the best way www.libertagia.com/riskinho,create your Network and get some money folks!
[16:26] <llutz>  ATTR={idVendor}==  vs  ATTR{idProduct}==   mr
[16:26] <llutz>  ATTR={idVendor}==  vs  ATTR{idProduct}==   MrHacks
[16:26] <llutz> MrHacks: ATTR= vs ATTR{
[16:27] <adamu> Hello
[16:27] <Rexter> I just did a fresh install of 13.10 on a Dell Inspiron 5030 Laptop. Ethernet worked during the install, but isn't even showing now.
[16:27] <MrHacks> llutz: I just read the manpage for udev. I see your point.
[16:28] <ActionParsnip> Rexter: if you run: sudo lshw -C network ,do you see the Ethernet as 'unclaimed'?
[16:29] <llutz> MrHacks: according to man udev, it's "ATTR{filename}" , no =
[16:30] <x__> Hello guys
[16:30] <adamu> x__,  Hello
[16:30] <MrHacks> llutz: I caught that typo just a few seonds ago
[16:30] <x__> I have an onboard sound card that shares an output connection with a mic connection
[16:30] <x__> how can I alternate between them in Linux?
[16:30] <x__> (When I plug in a microphone)
[16:30] <MrHacks> What is the command to restart udev?
[16:31] <llutz> MrHacks: sudo restart udev
[16:31] <x__> hello?
[16:31] <hoyang> :)
[16:32] <Rexter> ActionParsnip; no I don't see "unclaimed" anywhere. driver=atl1c
[16:32] <MrHacks> Same error -71 issue. Although I corrected the rules file, the problem remains the same.
[16:32] <MrHacks>  SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTR{idVendor}=="1949", ATTR{idProduct}=="0007", MODE="0666"
[16:33] <ActionParsnip> Rexter: unload and reload the module. May help
[16:33] <Rexter> ActionParsnip; how do I do that?
[16:34] <ActionParsnip> Rexter: sudo modprobe -r atl1c; sleep 3; sudo modprobe atl1c
[16:34] <llutz> MrHacks: sry no idea then. my (working) rules always use ATTRS{xx}, but i'm on debian
[16:34] <Danato> can anybody help me test a kernel? Its for a bug test
[16:35] <llutz> !info udev
[16:35] <llutz> 204, same
[16:35] <i3luefire> i cannot log into my ubuntu machine via ssh anymore. i am not sure what changed but i am getting a "bad service request" error
[16:36] <MrHacks> llutz: I just tried adding an S to ATTR to (ATTRS). Still got the same error
[16:38] <syeekick> what app is best for a vnc gui ?
[16:38] <DRice7> hey guys, I installed Ubuntu 13.10 server on a machine with an LG TV as a monitor connected to the ASRock E3C224-V+ motherboard integrated VGA. I moved the server to it's new location and now it won't boot with any other VGA monitor attached. I can detach a monitor and it boots after a little extra time. I can even plug the monitor in after booting to get tty access by using CTRL-ALT-F1, but getting into tty7 takes the monitor out of range. This has been plagui
[16:39] <PDilyard> my HP Pavilion laptop wont wake from suspend. When I close the lid or click suspend, it will just remain at a black screen until i power it off and restart it. if i set the close lid action to "nothing" my fan runs quite a lot and the computer gets a little hot inside its case
[16:39] <nashant> Hey, is it possible to use an array of values from a defaults file in an init script? I'm trying to start multiple vnc servers with different resolutions (one for laptop connection, one for tablet)
[16:39] <schmiedc> i3luefire: is you ssh-daemon running?
[16:39] <i3luefire> should be
[16:40] <DRice7> nashant: I would like to know how you got that working...once you get it working :)
[16:40] <schmiedc> to you get a response from your server via ping
[16:40] <schmiedc> or maybe some firewall blocks your ssh port
[16:40] <DRice7> if you are talking to me, yes i can ping and firewall is not a problem
[16:41] <ActionParsnip> Drice7: is there a GUI installed on the system? With mouse pointer and Firefox web browser etc?
[16:41] <DRice7> Action, I installed ubuntu desktop...yes i know - it's a server but i did it anyway lol
[16:42] <ActionParsnip> Drice7: then its a server OS. If you needed a desktop OS why not just install the desktop ISO?
[16:42] <DRice7> lets not go with the freakin grumbles here. I needed it - it happened, let's move forward
[16:43] <PDilyard> my HP Pavilion laptop wont wake from suspend. When I close the lid or click suspend, it will just remain at a black screen until i power it off and restart it. if i set the close lid action to "nothing" my fan runs quite a lot and the computer gets a little hot inside its case
[16:43] <boris> hi
[16:43] <i3luefire> i can log into it with webmin
[16:44] <ActionParsnip> Drice7: do the services given by the server start ok? Can you SSH to the server?
[16:44] <ActionParsnip> I3lufire: webmin will break yoir OS
[16:44] <DRice7> yeah, everything works like a dream except for the DISPLAY which always goes to "Unable to Open Display"
[16:44] <DRice7> i tried changing the env variable but that didn't help
[16:45] <i3luefire> schmiedc, it says type 2 (protocol error) now
[16:45] <ActionParsnip> Drice7: then who cares what the GUI is doing? Server is operational and doing it's job....
[16:45] <DRice7> I've decided that it is a resolution issue, and my monitor is not being detected because it's running through VGA
[16:45] <DRice7> I need to move Terabytes of files, and filezilla is preferable
[16:46] <ActionParsnip> Drice7: why not connect to the server using Nautilus and it will act like local storage. Lots easier
[16:46] <DRice7> Nautilus?
[16:46] <PDilyard> the file explorer
[16:46] <ActionParsnip> Drice7: yes, the default file manager in Ubuntu
[16:46] <DRice7> mmm, pulling files off of a DLINKNAS on the network
[16:47] <ab`> how can i get radeon card shut up when i wake up my system from hibernation? i have followed internet guides and disabled it, but after hibernating and waking up, it again goes to its hungry state. it works fine if i did a normal shut down, though.
[16:47] <medsopq236> hello
[16:47] <ActionParsnip> Drice7: you will see the remote files and can copy and paste files as if they were local and its all managed for you. It can connect to SSHFS
[16:47] <adamu> DRice7, Try restarting the ssh server through webmin?
[16:48] <adamu> medsopq236, Hello how are you?
[16:48] <DRice7> i broke my webmin install at some point, need to fix that
[16:48] <ActionParsnip> Drice7: if you port forward through your router you can access the data at any time from anywhere with a web connection and securely
[16:48] <DRice7> sweet, can i setup nautilus in the CLI
[16:48] <ActionParsnip> !webmin
[16:48] <DRice7> lol, that explains alot - what's the webmin alternative
[16:48] <PDilyard> my HP Pavilion laptop wont wake from suspend. When I close the lid or click suspend, it will just remain at a black screen until i power it off and restart it. if i set the close lid action to "nothing" my fan runs quite a lot and the computer gets a little hot inside its case
[16:49] <ActionParsnip> Drice7: nautilus is used on the client pc, not the server side
[16:49] <adamu> Alright I don't use webmin so I wouldn't know
[16:49]  * PatrickDickey wonders how accurate the webmin information is... Just saying because the webmin site says they've tested it against Ubuntu and other debian based distros without issues.
[16:49] <ActionParsnip> Drice7: for a webmin alternative, read ubottu's output fully
[16:49] <alocer> DRice7, go duckduckgo and search for "alternative to webmin "
[16:49] <DRice7> PatrickDickey: It worked fine for me..until it stopped working on init.d
[16:49] <ActionParsnip> Drice7: oh the factoid changed
[16:49] <schmiedc> i3luefire, didn't got this one before
[16:49] <ActionParsnip> !ebox
[16:50] <nashant> Will this work in my init script? OPTIONS[${COUNT}]="-name \"${NAME}[${COUNT}]\" -depth \"${DEPTH}[${COUNT}]\" -geometry \"${GEOMETRY}[${COUNT}]\" :${DISPLAY}[${COUNT}]"
[16:50] <Rexter> ActionParsnip; ok, it shows in the network setting, but says unmanaged.
[16:51] <MrHacks> OK, new theory.  Do I really need ATTR{idProduct} when I write a udev rule?  I know who the vendor is, and the vendor is listed, just not the product itself.
[16:51] <ActionParsnip> Rexter: did you set it's IP in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[16:52] <MrMonkey31> sorry if this is badly formed: is there a short answer to why'd I get "make[2]: *** No rule to make target `relpath'.  Stop." when running make? building 32-bit wine, just looking for a "duh" type mistake I might have made. ideas?
[16:52]  * MrHacks only has a few minutes left to chat
[16:52] <i3luefire> schmiedc, i think that was there before but fully it says http://pastebin.com/CtYXKNCm
[16:53] <Rexter> ActionParsnip; no
[16:53] <ActionParsnip> Mrmonkey31: wine is in the repos. Why are you building it
[16:54] <ActionParsnip> Rexter: hmm, try: sudo dhclient eth0
[16:54] <Rexter> ActionParsnip; Nothing special. I'll want it dhcp
[16:54] <ActionParsnip> Rexter: does it succeed?
[16:54] <adamu> MrMonkey31, What is the full output of make
[16:55] <DRice7> ActionParsnip: I run windows - Nautilus was not built for me
[16:55] <adamu> DRice7, Maybe try connecting to the SSH server with filezilla over SFTP?
[16:56] <ActionParsnip> Drice7: ahhh there is an application for windows so you can map a network drive to SSHFS
[16:56] <PatrickDickey> DRice7: Why do you say that? 99% of the people who are using Linux probably used Windows before.
[16:56] <Rexter> ActionParsnip; Cannot find device "eth0"
[16:56] <DRice7> and still need to figure out why I can't boot my machine if it's connected VGA
[16:56] <bunnyflop> v
[16:56] <DRice7> PatrickDickey: what?
[16:56] <MrMonkey31> adamu: oh boy.... http://pastebin.com/yC46hyHi  - thanks for readin'!
[16:56] <DRice7> ActionParsnip: reaalllly
[16:57] <PatrickDickey> DRice7: You said I run Windows - Nautilus was not built for me.
[16:57] <DRice7> PatrickDickey: You took it too literally, slow your roll homie
[16:57] <DRice7> PatrickDickey: As in, the binary will not run on my system.
[16:57] <MrMonkey31> ActionParsnip: why are you NOT building wine? don't you want to squeeze the max goodness out of your win32 bins?
[16:57] <PatrickDickey> lol I'm blaming lack of sleep, and the fact that I've spent the last few days staring Windows 8 in the face...
[16:58] <pozz> Can anyone tell me if this is a bad idea: I moved the gedit binary to gedit.bin, then I created a shell-script named "gedit" that calls gedit.bin with the --standalone option
[16:58] <DRice7> Windows 8 is the worst thing that ever happened to PCs
[16:58] <pozz> it solved my 'have to open gedit twice' bug
[16:58] <DRice7> pozz: that should be legit
[16:59] <ActionParsnip> Mrmonkey31: unless you change thebbuild config you will get the exact same config and performance of the Ubuntu build
[16:59] <adamu> MrMonkey31, I am not sure what the problem is.. are you trying to build 32bit wine on a 64bit system?
[16:59] <ActionParsnip> Mrmonkey31: did you change anything in the configuration file, or any code
[16:59] <pozz> Thanks DRice7. My concern is if i ever try to remove gedit... what would happen if the binary has been renamed to a .bin
[16:59] <ActionParsnip> Pozz: what was the magic bullet?
[17:00] <DRice7> it will error out, or remove everything but the bin
[17:00] <pozz>  I moved the gedit binary to gedit.bin, then I created a shell-script named "gedit" that calls gedit.bin with the --standalone option
[17:00] <adamu> ActionParsnip, Wouldn't he get 'slightly' better performance with processor specific compiler optimizations?
[17:00] <sacto1358> ey guys where are you from?
[17:00] <ActionParsnip> Adamu: very very little
[17:00] <MrMonkey31> adamu: indeed I am.  I've gotten this error periodically, no idea why, no radical alterations to the config line, was looking for a really short, obvious answer that only a newbie mighta been unaware of.  dw about it, I'm content to leave this
[17:00] <DRice7> sacto1358: murica - why are we playing a/s/l?
[17:00] <ActionParsnip> Adamu: its a common misconception
[17:00] <jhutchins> adamu: If you think that makes a difference you should run gentoo.
[17:00] <pozz> DRice7, that scares me a little
[17:01] <DRice7> pozz: don't remove gedit, problem solved.
[17:01] <ActionParsnip> Jhutchins: i have a gentoo box
[17:01] <adamu> jhutchins, I was just wondering I didn't think it made that much of a different
[17:01] <pozz> DRice7, I may want to reinstall it to try fixing a different, unknown to me at this moment, bug...
[17:02] <DRice7> pozz: the just create a small bash script to call the binary with the option
[17:02] <DRice7> again, problem solved
[17:02] <Rexter> ActionParsnip; thanks for your help on this. Cannot find device "eth0"
[17:02] <sacto1358> guys where are you from?
[17:02] <sacto1358> usa?
[17:02] <DRice7> sacto1358: it's the internet - probably from everywhere.
[17:02] <ActionParsnip> Rexter: ok run the lshw command again, what interface name does it have?
[17:02] <OerHeks> sacto1358, do you have an ubuntu support issue?
[17:03] <ActionParsnip> Sacto1358: that is moot here, this is support
[17:03] <DRice7> ActionParsnip, do you have a rec. for that program that maps SSHFS in windows?
[17:03] <sacto1358> i try use other chat
[17:03] <ActionParsnip> MrMonkey31: if you dont change the build options, you will get the exact same binaries which come in via apt-get
[17:03] <jhutchins> MrMonkey31: Perhaps it's time to read up on the format of makefiles.  If make reports no target "foo" it means that the makefile doesn't have a section named "foo".
[17:03] <adamu> MrMonkey31, When I was building wine on Slackware on a 64bit system I had to setup multilib
[17:04] <ActionParsnip> Drice7: you do, press UP cursor in the terminal, magic!
[17:04] <jhutchins> MrMonkey31: This is why it is useful to read the README and INSTALL files, if provided.
[17:05] <ActionParsnip> Drice7: then change the interface name in the command I gave
[17:05] <DRice7> ActionParsnip: not catching the subtle comedy in your response...
[17:05] <DRice7> oh snap
[17:05] <DRice7> I didn't see a command brb
[17:05] <Belial`> anyone having issues with thunderbird no sending notifications of new mail?
[17:06] <MrMonkey31> adamu: aye, and go through a minor heck involving it.  but you can't build the 64 bit wine if you want to do what most wine users use wine for. to clarify, I'm not noob at this task, just in general I am.
[17:06] <Rexter> ActionParsnip; same as before. I thought it was a driver issue. What we have done has changed my mind in that. I think the interface is installed, just to connected to the  network management tool somehow.
[17:06] <Thibaultmol> Hi all, I'm having a hard time figuring out how to add what I have to put in the custom_40 file to make a entry to boot into init3
[17:06] <MrMonkey31> jhutchins: I try to be effective, but don't you agree that sometimes there's a really short quick reason, but you've got to ask that right question?  guess this wasn't one of those cases, that's all
[17:06] <adamu> MrMonkey31, Okay
[17:07] <DRice7> ActionParsnip: okay i scrolled up, I see no command lol - can you throw it out again
[17:08] <david__> hello
[17:08] <ActionParsnip> Drice7: sudo lshw -C network
[17:08] <DRice7> ty
[17:08] <saotome> I am trying to make an upstart service. I created the .conf file in /etc/init (https://gist.github.com/enmanuelr/7721603). When I try to start the service I get the usual "start/running" state, but the process isn't actually running. What am I doing wrong?
[17:10] <Thibaultmol> Does anyone know how to add an entry in GRUB to make linux boot in init3?
[17:10] <llutz> !runlevel | Thibaultmol there is no "init 3" in ubuntu
[17:11] <llutz> !nox | Thibaultmol this might do what you want
[17:11] <ActionParsnip> Thibaultmol: add the boot option "text" and it will boot to runlevel 3
[17:12] <Thibaultmol> Basicly what I'm trying to do is install the official Nvidia driver and I'm kinda new to all of this and all of it seems like I'm doing something wrong
[17:13] <Thibaultmol> I tried using the ctrl + alt + F1 thing but it doesn't seem to recognize my login details as root
[17:14] <llutz> Thibaultmol: there is no active root-account in *buntu, use useraccount + sudo then
[17:14] <Rexter> Thibaultmol; can't you use the repositories?
[17:14] <Thibaultmol> The weird thing was that it says I have to pop in the install disk which makes me thing I'm doing something wrong
[17:15] <PatrickDickey> Thibaultmol: If you have the .deb file downloaded, you use sudo dpkg -i name.deb
[17:15] <i3luefire> where can i read the log files for sshd?
[17:15] <anchx> I am having troubles installing py_bcrypt OR bcrypt at 12.04 with python 3.2, any idea?
[17:15] <PatrickDickey> Thibaultmol: That probably means that your disc is still listed in the sources files.
[17:15] <adamu> Thibaultmol,  make sure you blacklist nouveau in /etc/modprobe.d/  since you can't install the nvidia drivers while nouveau is loaded
[17:16] <_root_> In nginx i get 2013/11/30 20:06:01 [crit] 2403#0: *8 connect() to unix:/var/run/php5-fpm/forums.socket failed (2: No such file or directory) while connecting to upstream, but i did mkdir -p /var/run/php5-fpm/
[17:17] <Thibaultmol> adamu: I have blacklisted that, I need to restart I assume
[17:17] <adamu> i3luefire, I believe it is /var/log/auth.log or /var/log/auth
[17:17] <adamu> Thibaultmol, Yeah
[17:19] <pos_> I need to be root to init 6, but why don't I need to be root to reboot with the gui?
[17:19] <ActionParsnip> Pos_: no you dont
[17:19] <stowelly> Hi, I have 13,10 but my keyboard seems to be stuck in US layout, when i need UK, all settings in menus seem to display english uk, but still the layout isnt changing. any ideas?
[17:19] <ActionParsnip> Pos_: sudo init 6
[17:20] <pos_> ActionParsnip: ok, sudo then.  How come I don't need to sudo with the GUI?
[17:20] <ActionParsnip> Pos_: or use the menu in the top right
[17:20] <ActionParsnip> Pos_: it uses polkit
[17:20] <pos_> ActionParsnip: I want a user to be able to reboot the box from a terminal without giving them root privs
[17:21] <ActionParsnip> Pos_: you could add shutdown to not need a password entry (it will still need sudo)
[17:21] <MrMonkey31> jhutchins: thanks for the tips.  it's actually *past* time that I studied the format of makefiles.  but so far I'm just trying to get by, for my first few months of linux usage :>)
[17:21] <pos_> ActionParsnip: Ahhh.  I'll look into that then.  THanks
[17:21] <stowelly> even the @keyboard layout chart@ that it shows in the settings shows UK layout, so i dont understand the issue....
[17:21] <adamu>  you could make it suid? sudo chmod +s /usr/sbin/reboot - (would this be secure)
[17:21] <ActionParsnip> Pos_: or you can add it in sudoers so that certain users can use the shutdown command etc.
[17:22] <ActionParsnip> Adanu: nice!
[17:22] <ActionParsnip> Pos_: use suid as above :-)
[17:22] <llutz> adamu: you don't want set suid-root if its not really needed
[17:24] <ActionParsnip> Llutz: lets anyone use the binary :-)
[17:24] <llutz> ActionParsnip: nice idea
[17:24] <ActionParsnip> Llutz: shutdown etc, you get the idea
[17:25] <adamu> can you exploit /etc/sudoers if you don't use absolute paths?
[17:25] <thibaultmol_> Adamu: I rebooted so how am I supposed to install the driver in the best way?
[17:25] <adamu> not you but an external attacker
[17:25] <adamu> thibaultmol_, I would go into init 3 and run NVIDIA-INSTALLER.run
[17:26] <thibaultmol_> adamu: but I can't login for some reason. it says my login is incorrect even though I enter with root and my root password which I have checked in the terminal
[17:27] <adamu> thibaultmol_, login your user (e.g. thibaultmol_ ) then sudo su
[17:27] <llutz> sudo -i
[17:27] <thibaultmol_> adamu: that doesn't work either for some reason
[17:27] <adamu> what doesn't logging in as thibaultmol_  ?
[17:28] <thibaultmol_> adamu: Well my username is thibaultmol but somehow after I enter my password it says that they are incorrect
[17:28] <as> good choice for a username. types easily :P
[17:28] <adamu> thibaultmol_, oh well thats a different problem in and of itself make sure caps lock is disabled..
[17:29] <ActionParsnip> Thibaultmol_: try: less /etc/passwd ,verify the username
[17:29] <thibaultmol_> adamu: I have typed my password in the username box at some point to check if it was typed correctly and that was fine
[17:30] <thibaultmol_> ActionParsnip: ill check that, sec
[17:30] <llutz> thibaultmol_: "getent passwd thibaultmol"
[17:30] <adamu> thibaultmol_, Is there an account you can login to on the system?
[17:32] <thibaultmol_> ActionParsnip: Don't exactly understand what I need to check for there
[17:32] <thibaultmol_> llutz: I get this as a result: thibaultmol:x:1000:1000:Thibault Molleman,,,:/home/thibaultmol:/bin/bash
[17:32] <thibaultmol_> llutz: so I get that means it works
[17:32] <llutz> thibaultmol_: at least the username is correct
[17:33] <ActionParsnip> It shows you are using the right username.
[17:33] <thibaultmol_> ActionParsnip: well I got a big list of things, that good?
[17:33] <ActionParsnip> Thibaultmol_: yes those are the user and system accounts
[17:34] <thibaultmol_> ActionParsnip: 'thibaultmol' is in there
[17:35] <thibaultmol_> Ill have to figure out the issue another time, I have to.. bye
[17:45] <Mysterytrain> I know i can open up sources.list but is there a command to show the repositories you have enabled
[17:48] <thor_> do any of you know a wiki desktop software that allows collaboration?
[17:51] <thor_> haha.. asking questions on a saturday night. optimistic :D
[17:51] <usr13> thor_: There are several
[17:52] <thor_> usr13, can you remember some of them?
[17:52] <thor_> usr13, or do you use one yourself?
[17:53] <thor_> usr13, I use Zim wiki, and love it. but Im not sure It can do collaboration
[17:53] <usr13> thor_: Well, don't know about "desktop" software, (not sure what "desktop software" means).  But I've used pmwiki
[17:53] <usr13> http://www.pmwiki.org/
[17:53] <saotome> I am trying to make an upstart service. I created the .conf file in /etc/init (https://gist.github.com/enmanuelr/7721603). When I try to start the service I get the usual "start/running" state, but the process isn't actually running. What am I doing wrong?
[17:53] <usr13> saotome: Is the executable bit set for it?
[17:55] <usr13> saotome: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[17:55] <saotome> usr13, it was not. I changed it but it made no difference
[17:55] <usr13> saotome: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/getting-started.html
[17:55] <thor_> usr13, thanks man :) pmwiki looks like the right thing for me :) have a fun Saturday night
[17:56] <i3luefire> ok. i am still having issues logging into my system via ssh. here are some logs and the error putty gives http://pastebin.com/9u4Waiun
[17:58] <DRice7> Anyone have experience dealing with generic monitors not being detected?
[18:00] <usr13> saotome: Do you get any results runing the script from a terminal?
[18:01] <usr13> saotome: Is the script operational?
[18:01] <saotome> usr13, yup everything is fine if I run manually.
[18:05] <mdkess> Does anyone have experience with Ubuntu and high res screens? I want to pick up the Dell XPS 15 9530, which has a not too shabby 15.6" 3200x1800 screen, and I was wondering how well that would work out. Anyone have experience with this sort of thing?
[18:05] <usr13> saotome: ls -l /etc/init/your-scrip   #Tell us what it says.
[18:06] <usr13> -rw-r--r--  or -rwxr-xr-x  ?
[18:06] <saotome> usr13, -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 580 Nov 30 13:04 /etc/init/panacea.conf
[18:07] <usr13> saotome: sudo chmod +x /etc/init/panacea.conf
[18:07] <saotome> usr13, the getting start page says it shouldn't be executable, and none of the other existing .conf files are executable
[18:07] <usr13> (you need to enable the executable bit for it.)
[18:07] <saotome> usr13 "Jobs are defined in files placed in /etc/init, the name of the job is the filename under this directory without the .conf extension. They are plain text files and should not be executable."
[18:07] <saotome> usr13, ok
[18:07] <usr13> Oh, it's not the script?
[18:08] <saotome> usr13, I feel like I'm missing something
[18:08] <usr13> saotome: That is not where the conf file goes.  Just in /etc  is ok
[18:08] <saotome> usr13, I have the conf file, and the exec line points to a binary. There is no "script". Is that what I'm missing?
[18:09] <usr13> saotome: You are missing something.  .conf is for a config file, not a start script.
[18:09] <saotome> usr13, so the conf should point to the script, and the script should point to the binary?
[18:10] <rallias_compbad> Is there an ISO available that supports all drivers in the full desktop install that fits on a CD?
[18:11] <hassen> why in most of caricature pictures ,they  present ubuntu as the winner while windows as the sick/loser one?
[18:11] <saotome> hassen, who makes the caricatures?
[18:11] <compdoc> racism
[18:11] <hassen> saotome, e.g google images ubuntu vs windows
[18:12] <hassen> or linux vs windows
[18:12] <saotome> hassen, why does PC lose to Mac in ads commissioned by Apple?
[18:12] <hassen> saotome, become apple has made those ads in such context
[18:13] <saotome> hassen, a lot of us think that linux is superior to windows in many respect. Some of us have a lot of free time and express that sentimient in the form of immature images.
[18:13] <saotome> hassen, people will always defend that which they like
[18:13] <rallias_compbad> Is there any way to add my wireless driver to the mini.iso distribution item?
[18:13] <hassen> saotome, according to you which one?
[18:14] <usr13> saotome: Usually, not always.
[18:14] <nashant> Is this valid in a init.d default file? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6500244/
[18:16] <usr13> saotome: Actually, some will objectively state that one OS would be better for some things, and another would be good for others, one has more overall versatility, has more customizable features, easier to secure, etc. etc.
[18:17] <saotome> usr13, completely agree. The ones that aren't objective, among other things, make silly pictures.
[18:17] <saotome> usr13, which is what hassen is asking after all
[18:17] <Kartagis> what's the command to reload a module in use?
[18:18] <usr13> One particular Ford may be better than a Chevy but another particular Chevy may be better than another particular Ford model in some respects but not in others.
[18:19] <m0rt> Ребят, говорит кто по русски
[18:19] <bonhoeffer> so ubuntu is hung at the splash screen, any options?
[18:19] <llutz> nashant: dash (ubuntus default system shell) has no var[index] syntax for arrays, that's a bashism
[18:20] <lonewulf85> dimmer switch does not work in ubuntu 12.04
[18:20] <geirha> nashant: In other words, yes, if you set the script's shebang to #!/bin/bash
[18:20] <usr13> bonhoeffer: Any errors?  (Hit Esc key and see if there is anyting more...)
[18:21] <bonhoeffer> usr13: esc key doesn't do anything
[18:21] <geirha> nashant: You should use lowercase variable names though, to avoid accidentally overriding special shell variables (which are all uppercase)
[18:21] <bonhoeffer> still logo with five bullets underneath
[18:22] <usr13> bonhoeffer: Not much telling....
[18:22] <louisdk> I'm doing some partition work with Gparted. I'm just wordering if the swap should be inside or outside an extended partition?
[18:22] <usr13> bonhoeffer: Are the bullets flashing?
[18:23] <llutz> louisdk: makes no difference
[18:23] <bonhoeffer> usr13: no
[18:23] <louisdk> llutz: Okay. Thanks.
[18:23] <usr13> louisdk: Partitions are partitions, no matter if they are logical or primary ones.
[18:23] <SASDOE> can anyone test my website for me? I would like to know if the redirection works. And if it is masked or not: http://4242.co/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=42e5e7537289b08515edc43e75beb475
[18:25] <usr13> louisdk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_partitioning
[18:26] <hassen> wew,doing stuff in ubuntu requires some manual work,unlike windows where you just get the mouse and double click in ane exe installation thingy to get things
[18:27] <SASDOE> hassen: that what some people want
[18:27] <usr13> hassen: That is true in some cases and not in others.
[18:28] <hassen> that's good for learning IT i guess
[18:28] <zerowaitstate> hassen: the upside to that is if you want something very specific you can usually beat Linux into submission.
[18:28] <usr13> hassen: Most any task on a modern GUI can be set to a point and click experience no matter if it is MS-Windos or Linux
[18:28] <zerowaitstate> Linux has a lot more knobs to turn and buttons to push
[18:28] <usr13> hassen: So pointing and clicking is not a good comparison
[18:29] <Danato> SASDOE: what is it supposed to show?
[18:29] <SASDOE> a screenshot
[18:30] <hassen> usr13, yep,you learn typing scripts
[18:30] <bonhoeffer> usr13: any troubleshooting options?
[18:30] <usr13> hassen: Comparing one computer OS to another is very complicated - would be an endless conversation.
[18:30] <SASDOE> if I try via HMA web it works, but a friend tells me he sees the it works page. How could that be possible?
[18:31] <usr13> bonhoeffer: You might test your RAM.  (Not knowing much about your system, it is hard to tell)
[18:31] <usr13> bonhoeffer: Did you try the recovery option at boot?
[18:32] <SASDOE> Danato: what do you see?
[18:32] <Danato> SASDOE: all i see is a blank page, but i checked the source and i found this http://4242.no-ip.org/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=42e5e7537289b08515edc43e75beb475
[18:32] <usr13> !recovery bonhoeffer
[18:32] <usr13> !recovery | bonhoeffer
[18:33] <usr13> !text | bonhoeffer
[18:33] <SASDOE> Danato: annoying
[18:33] <SASDOE> Danato: Thanks though
[18:34] <Danato> SASDOE: no problem
[18:35] <hassen> bhow to run a 'file_name.deb' file?by "suso bash file_name.deb" ?
[18:35] <hassen> how*
[18:36] <zerowaitstate> !dpkg
[18:36] <SASDOE> Danato: any ideas why I can access it fine with hma web?
[18:36] <zerowaitstate> dpkg -i blah.deb
[18:36] <hassen> zerowaitstate, understood,thanks
[18:37] <zerowaitstate> well sudo dpkg -i blah.deb
[18:37] <Danato> SASDOE: whats hma?
[18:37] <lonewulf85> dimmer no work in Ubuntu 12.04 x64
[18:37] <SASDOE> Danato: hide my ass. a web proxy
[18:38] <Danato> SASDOE: jst wanted to make sure, let me try
[18:39] <Danato> SASDOE: yeah i see it too
[18:40] <SASDOE> Danato: does 4242.co/owncloud work or not at all?
[18:40] <Danato> it works using hide my ass
[18:40] <zeldak> I can't configure Debian, so I came to ubuntu ;'(
[18:41] <SASDOE> Danato: how can it work through a web proxy but not without?
[18:42] <jack2091> ciao
[18:42] <jack2091> ! list
[18:42] <jack2091> ciao!
[18:42] <geirha> zeldak: and now you need help configuring ubuntu, or ...?
[18:42] <jack2091> list
[18:42] <DJones> !piracy | jack2091
[18:43] <zeldak> geirha, well it's like ... no
[18:43] <Danato> SASDOE: ive never seen that tbh
[18:43] <zeldak> geirha, but you could awnser me a thing?
[18:44] <SASDOE> Danato: could it have something to do with more up to date DNS servers than others?
[18:44] <geirha> zeldak: Depends on whether I know the answer or not
[18:44] <zeldak> geirha, if you know you would awnswer me?
[18:44] <usr13> zeldak: If you have a question, ask it.
[18:45] <zeldak> usr13, geirha, well why do we have 3 FloodBots?
[18:45] <usr13> zeldak: If you have a question about Ubuntu, ask it.
[18:46] <zeldak> usr13, ;'(
[18:46] <Danato> SASDOE: I dont know much about servers and how they work to be able to give you any valuable information
[18:46] <usr13> !topic
[18:47] <SASDOE> Danato: Thanks any way!
[18:47] <Danato> SASDOE: anytime
[18:51] <jack2091> ciao
[18:51] <geirha> zeldak: Probably to increase the chance of being on both sides of a netsplit. #ubuntu-bots may have a more correct answer.
[18:51] <jack2091> ! list
[18:52] <bonhoeffer> usr13: got it i'll try recovery mode
[18:52] <zeldak> geirha, hmm cool
[18:53] <jack2091> ciao
[18:56] <awesomess3> I noticed the ubuntu CD image is 883 MB. Can't a CD only store ~700 MB?
[18:57] <fedosgad> Yes
[18:57] <awesomess3> So it's more or less a DVD image, per say?
[18:57] <fedosgad> I think it's less
[18:59] <DJones> awesomess3: Yes they've been dvd/usb images for a couple of releases
[19:00] <jhutchins> awesomess3: The days when a whole distro fit on two CDs are long gone.
[19:03] <somersett> I'm getting excruciatingly slow samba speeds (0.03MB/sec)
[19:04] <dreamon_> Need help Usb3.0 is not working on lenovo g580 notebook. plug it in usb2.0 hdd works without problem.(on same machine) http://paste.ubuntu.com/6500291/
[19:05] <fuzzball> If I put, lets say, /bin and /lib into a ramdisk, with links in / to them, if I do an 'ls' into '/lib' or '/lib/modules/, would the harddisk be woken up from the call to / ?
[19:07] <paulicious> quelqu'un à un bug souri où on peut pas utiliser le clic gauche ?
[19:07] <geoffmcc> somersett: do you have a firewall enabled?
[19:08] <BluesKaj> !fr > paulicious
[19:08] <Somelauw> I don't know if more people experience this bug, but  update-alternatives --list javaws doesn't show /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/jre/bin/javaw for me
[19:09] <somersett> I don't believe so. This is on a LAN, pushing files from a Ubuntu PC to a Windows 7 public folder, both have gigabit NICs and are connected to a gigabit switch
[19:09] <Somelauw> too lazy to register on the main site, so i hope i can report it here
[19:09] <geirha> Somelauw: Well, is icedtea installed?
[19:10] <geirha> Somelauw: Also, easier to use update-java-alternatives. It sets the symlinks for all the java files in one go
[19:12] <somersett> geoffmcc: This is on a LAN, pushing files from a Ubuntu PC to a Windows 7 public folder, both have gigabit NICs and are connected to a gigabit switch
[19:13] <daftykins> somersett: what's your speed the other way around? have you tested with 'iperf' to confirm there's no driver issue?
[19:13] <PatrickDickey> somersett: does it happen the other way around also (pushing a file from Windows 7 to Ubuntu)?
[19:13] <geoffmcc> somersett: i was just looking into it and some people said disable firewall caused to speed up, dont sound like that your problem. others say is driver issue for network card
[19:14] <somersett> I did try accesssing a FTP server on the Ubuntu box from the Win7 box and got the same 0.03MB/sec
[19:14] <daftykins> somersett: right, get iperf and test your throughput
[19:14] <hassen> Given that a partition labelled "2nd" is already mounted,how to access it in the terminal?
[19:14] <daftykins> it'll rule out protocols and hard disks
[19:15] <somersett> However Dropbox yields 5MB/sec
[19:15] <daftykins> hassen: type "mount" and see where it's been put
[19:15] <deserteagle> hello all!
[19:15] <deserteagle> anyone know how to work with inotify?
[19:15] <PatrickDickey> hassen: mount will show you the location that it's mounted at, and then cd /path-to-mount-point will take you there.
[19:15] <jmgk> hi all
[19:15] <vasku> ciaooooo :)
[19:16] <vasku> !list
[19:16] <PatrickDickey> somersett: Is either one of the directories located on a USB drive?
[19:16] <DRice7> So I have an error in my Xorg.log about the AST module not being loaded: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6500424/ then I found this driver: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-ast/ - can someone walk me through how to get this installed?
[19:17] <dondopa> Ubuntu 13.10 is quite buggy with nautilus when using Samba
[19:17] <jmgk> hi a..
[19:17] <dondopa> Sometimes I turn on the computer and as a I log in i get random system error messages
[19:17] <somersett> No. Win7 is on an internal SATA. Ubuntu is on IDE. When the box was running Windows XP, throughput was 10-30MB/sec.
[19:17] <dondopa> But nothing serious
[19:17] <Brute> yay ubuntu#
[19:17] <rodney77> Hi, I'm having a hard time getting ubuntu to support the features of my ultrabook. it's an MSI s20 and it supports auto screen rotation, multitouch, and HD graphics, none of which work right now. I'm on 12.04. Does anyone have any help for me on that?
[19:18] <hassen> daftykins, PatrickDickey understood,thanks.
[19:18] <PatrickDickey> DRice7: I'd say download it, and check the README file. They typically have installation instructions.
[19:18] <dondopa> rodney try Ubuntu 13.10
[19:18] <daftykins> DRice7: which graphics card is it?
[19:18] <DRice7> PatrickDickey: I git cloned it and it just says what the git clone is, in the README
[19:18] <daftykins> somersett: like i said, look into iperf.
[19:18] <DRice7> daftykins: it's the built in VGA card on an ASRock E3C224-V+
[19:19] <DRice7> Anytime I plug an external monitor in, I can't boot the server having problems redirection the DISPLAY variable, etc etc...I think this is my fix
[19:19] <PatrickDickey> DRice7: ./Configure typically will be a good place to start, then make and sudo make install. But I'd look around their site for documentation then.
[19:19] <Brute> who has skype
[19:20]  * PatrickDickey I have skype.
[19:20] <daftykins> DRice7: is this not a server system with a server OS though?
[19:20] <DRice7> PatrickDickey: The site is a bit shoddy for navigation - thanks for the info :)
[19:20] <Brute> message me your skype
[19:20] <DRice7> daftykins: I know, I know - why do I need a GUI...I'm moving a bunch of files using Filezilla from my DLINKNAS to the local hard drives
[19:21] <PatrickDickey> Brute: Um, I only message my skype name to hot women. LOL Is there a particular problem that you're having?
[19:21] <Somelauw> not sure what ice tea is, but the file I mentioned does exist, so there is no reason update-alternatives shouldn't find it
[19:21] <Brute> yes with Tor
[19:21] <Brute> I do all the things people say on ubuntuforums and i still get the same error
[19:21] <daftykins> DRice7: which protocols does said NAS file share with? it'd be easy to copy them over with samba access
[19:22] <PatrickDickey> What error are you getting Brute?
[19:22] <DRice7> samba is super slow
[19:22] <DRice7> talking about TBs of data
[19:22] <PatrickDickey> Somelauw: icedtea is the open source version of Java.
[19:22] <daftykins> DRice7: hrmm over gigabit LAN it shouldn't be :D
[19:22] <PatrickDickey> !java > Somelauw
[19:22] <Brute> Vidalia was unable to start Tor. Check your settings to ensure the correct name and location of your Tor executable is specified.
[19:22] <Somelauw> I didn't know about update-java-alternatives. I first tried setting them each manually, then I just uninstalled java6, so everything got updated automatically.
[19:22] <Brute> i downloaded tor from ubuntu software thingy.
[19:22] <Somelauw> PatrickDickey: if apt-get install openjdk7 install icetea, then yes
[19:22] <DRice7> dafty, 10 MB/s vs 25 MB/s difference using FTP over samba for this configuration
[19:23] <Somelauw> then i got icetea
[19:23] <PatrickDickey> tor | Brute
[19:23] <PatrickDickey> Sorry.
[19:23] <Brute> yes
[19:23] <PatrickDickey> !tor | Brute
[19:23] <Brute> i know
[19:23] <daftykins> DRice7: anyway, i see googling the exact graphics driver gives ubuntu and other distro downloads for a graphics driver from Asus
[19:23] <DRice7> PatrickDickey: I have an auutogen.sh - but when I run it, I get an error about autoreconf not being found
[19:24] <Somelauw> PatrickDickey: So icetea is a codename for openjdk?
[19:24] <daftykins> DRice7: i would certainly trust Asus file downloads, or even the graphics manufacturer 'ASpeed' themselves
[19:24] <PatrickDickey> Brute: It sounds like it didn't install right, or you need a symlink to the actual bin file.
[19:24] <DRice7> daftykins, holy hell what google search did you do
[19:24] <PatrickDickey> Somelauw: It's the version name, If I remember right.
[19:24] <Brute> i installed it from Ubuntu Software center not torproject
[19:25] <daftykins> DRice7: first i googled the motherboard and came up with: http://www.asrock.com/server/overview.asp?Model=E3C224-V%2B
[19:25] <PatrickDickey> Brute: That doesn't matter. Their documentation will still help you figure out the problem.
[19:25] <daftykins> DRice7: that told me the adapter is an Aspeed AST1300 (perhaps you can confirm with 'lspci' ?)
[19:25] <dougl> I thot tor users were up to no good?
[19:26] <Siva> Hi Guys..
[19:26] <DRice7> 06:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ASPEED Technology, Inc. ASPEED Graphics Family (rev 21)
[19:26] <PatrickDickey> dougl: Only the ones who use it for malicious reasons. But there are a lot of people using it for good. It was one of the main ways to report on the Olympics in Bejing a few years ago, for example.
[19:26] <daftykins> DRice7: so a completely different board admittedly, but it has downloads for that adapter for Ubuntu versions, give it a try: http://www.asus.com/gr/support/Download/5/33/P9D-C4L/8/
[19:27] <daftykins> DRice7: 0.98 appears the newest as per the aspeed website
[19:27] <dougl> PatrickDickey, enuff said - lesson learned = thank you :)
[19:27]  * PatrickDickey knows people who use it so they can watch BBC programs in America.
[19:27] <PatrickDickey> dougl: Not a problem.
[19:27] <dougl> ah
[19:27] <DRice7> daftykins, you are the man - hang tight while I download this stuff
[19:27] <daftykins> DRice7: ok i'm going to cook now - let me know how it goes :)
[19:28] <PatrickDickey> dougl: There are "grey areas" though. One of my friends used it to play a game off of a European server. It was a faster server than the ones in the US.
[19:29] <dougl> PatrickDickey, I understand... everything is a double edged sword these days
[19:29] <PatrickDickey> dougl: Exactly.
[19:29] <jmgk> hi all
[19:30] <dougl> hi
[19:33] <pero> i have a laptop that often slows down to a crawl with / on an ssd, and /home on a regular drive; running iotop sees  gnome-key~nts=pkcs11 writing intermittently at 3m/s and [jbd2/sdb1-8] soemtimes going crazy - thoughts?
[19:34] <jmgk> ok guys
[19:34] <hitsujiTMO> pero: can you pastebin the output of: df -h
[19:34] <jmgk> overall what is a better client for Ubuntu. Irssi or chat?
[19:34] <dougl> jmgk, we will get frowned at if we chat in here but is this text colored
[19:34] <jmgk> I know it depends on the preferences
[19:34] <dougl> xchat
[19:34] <jmgk> ?
[19:34] <jmgk> hm
[19:35] <dougl> xchat is what I found years ago and I am comfortable with it jmgk
[19:35] <jmgk> ah
[19:35] <hitsujiTMO> dougl: if you want a graphical client go with hexchat, otherwise irssi or weechat seem to be the more popular in cli
[19:35] <jmgk> I feel like more and more are going to text based clients per se
[19:35] <dougl> pirc and mirc on windows
[19:35] <pero> hitsujiTMO: http://pastebin.com/X9EGGxR4
[19:35] <jmgk> hitsujiTMO:  do you prefer CLI ?
[19:36] <hitsujiTMO> jmgk: i'm using hexchat. I haven't actually tested the cli clients
[19:36]  * dougl googling hexchat
[19:36] <jmgk> ah
[19:36] <jmgk> Hexchat is a newer version of Xchat dougl
[19:36] <jmgk> its the same thing
[19:36] <dougl> lol
[19:36] <dougl> thanks
[19:37] <jmgk> hehe yeah
[19:37] <jmgk> :P
[19:37] <hassen> omg...i got many thoughts about what to install and try in ubuntu so much that i became confused ,and finally i ended up staring at the scren haha
[19:37] <hassen> *screen*
[19:38] <hitsujiTMO> pero: have you tried running?: fstrim -v /
[19:38] <pero> hitsujiTMO: no - should i?
[19:39] <dougl> hassen, what do you do on your computer?
[19:39] <hitsujiTMO> pero: try it. although i don't think its your issue, but can be worth a shot
[19:39] <hitsujiTMO> pero: also have you enabled automatic trim?
[19:39] <hassen> dougl, can't tell what exactly..maybe i must refresh my mind a bit.
[19:40] <pero> trim should be enabled
[19:40] <pero> ,/:<PHONE_NUMBER>8 bytes were trimmed
[19:40]  * hassen is curious about ubuntu
[19:41] <dougl> hassen, pm?
[19:41] <hassen> dougl, sure
[19:41] <hitsujiTMO> pero: looks like its not. if those apps are dealing with a lot of tiny files then having auto trim on may cause problems.
[19:41] <hitsujiTMO> pero: from that output i'm guessing trim is not enabled atleast
[19:41] <pero> yeah, that's 55gb
[19:43] <hitsujiTMO> pero: when it slows down, what exactly is happening?
[19:43] <pero> hitsujiTMO: just really slow reads/writes
[19:43] <pero> like a movie will take 30 minutes to seek
[19:44] <pero> hitsujiTMO: i think that did the trick actually
[19:45] <hitsujiTMO> pero: give it a bit of time and if that worked then the best thing to do is set that as a daily cron
[19:45] <pero> hitsujiTMO: can't i enable autotrim somewhere?
[19:46] <hitsujiTMO> pero: you can but that could cause a similar issue if any app is deleting a lot of small files
[19:47] <pero> hitsujiTMO: it's just a regular computer - i don't really do much other than use a browser
[19:47] <somersett> daftykins: I got 562Mbps between the Win7 and Ubuntu machines on iperf
[19:47] <daftykins> somersett: be sure to use a good 32KB or so packet size
[19:48] <balrog-k1n> hi, i'm trying to install wine on a 64-bit system, i did dpkg --add-architecture i386 but now everytime i ask apt-get to install a i386 package it wants to remove everything 64-bit (or so it looks), what's wrong?
[19:48] <daftykins> somersett: and mix up which is the host and which is the client in order to be sure
[19:48] <hitsujiTMO> pero: its best to just run it as a daily cron. you can just create a bash script with just "fstrim /" and put it in /etc/cron.daily   or if you really want to enable auto trim. add the discard option to your ssd mounts in /etc/fstab
[19:49] <somersett> daftykins, what am I testing for here. We know that iperf has good throughput, so obviously the issue isn't in this application.
[19:49] <pero> hitsujiTMO: i'll take your word for it - thanks
[19:50] <daftykins> somersett: you're confirming the network adapter drivers are good for that throughput
[19:51] <daftykins> somersett: was it Windows 7 you said at the other end? have you made the registry tweaks which make it better at file serving?
[19:52] <rodney77> is there a way yet to get unity to autohide the top panel?
[19:53] <Danato> hitsujiTMO: are you here?
[19:54] <DRice7> daftykins: I'm running into issues creating an xorg.conf
[19:54] <daftykins> DRice7: how-so?
[19:54] <daftykins> DRice7: you might not even need one
[19:55] <somersett> daftykins. It's 562Mbps with the Win7 machine as server and 635Mbps with the Ubuntu as server.
[19:55] <DRice7> Number of created screens does not match number of detected devices.
[19:55] <daftykins> somersett: with a TCP window of 32KB?
[19:55] <DRice7> just skip xorg.conf?
[19:55] <daftykins> DRice7: your log before showed it was already trying to look for the module, if what you installed has provided that module, you may not need a config
[19:55] <somersett> WIndow size jumps around. One was 22KB, another was 85.3KB
[19:56] <daftykins> DRice7: if you do, i would expect you just need the one device section with the name of the module that that driver installed - hopefully it came with a readme to suggest what it provided
[19:56] <DRice7> daftykins: I like your logic - the auto-update.sh seems to have taken care of things...now to reboot
[19:57] <daftykins> somersett: no, it's a value you set on the command line when creating both a server and a client
[19:57] <daftykins> somersett: e.g. iirc: "iperf -s -w 32K" and "iperf -w 32K -c <IP>"
[19:58] <dreamon_> Need help Usb3.0 is not working on lenovo g580 notebook. plug it in usb2.0 hdd works without problem.(on same machine) http://paste.ubuntu.com/6500291/
[19:58] <daftykins> dreamon_: so is it an external hard disk?
[19:58] <dreamon_> YES
[19:59] <daftykins> dreamon_: and you see nothing from 'sudo fdisk -l' after connecting?
[19:59] <somersett> daftykins: This program is kind of screwy. When I test my Debian laptop as client (802.11n), I get 80Mbps. When the laptop is server, I get 34.4Gbps
[19:59] <daftykins> Gbps? heh that's a bit iffy
[19:59] <daftykins> maybe you've just got some sketchy builds
[20:00] <rajumoh> the maximum resolution supported on my laptop is 1360X768, is it possible to increase it to 1600x900?
[20:00] <dreamon_> daftykins, no.. only the existing drivers
[20:00] <daftykins> rajumoh: no
[20:00] <daftykins> rajumoh: unless you mean that the screen is 1600x900 but Ubuntu won't offer you that resolution?
[20:01] <rajumoh> daftykins: u got the question right first time :-D
[20:01] <daftykins> ;)
[20:01] <dreamon_> daftykins, same here -> http://askubuntu.com/questions/218055/usb-3-0-port-with-usb-3-0-device-in-ubuntu-12-10
[20:01] <daftykins> yep you can't draw more pixels on a screen with a finite amount
[20:01] <daftykins> dreamon_: is 12.10 what you're using too?
[20:02] <dreamon_> daftykins, No. 12.04.3 kernel <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:03] <rajumoh> daftykins: i was wondering if it could be as a software wrapper solution, i know the  output might look a bit sketchy but would increase the screen realestate
[20:03] <daftykins> dreamon_: is that the newest raring backport kernel?
[20:03] <jmgk> hi rajumoh
[20:03] <daftykins> rajumoh: if there is, i have no idea - sorry. i think it would become unreadable
[20:04] <rajumoh> daftykins: yeah figured the same, but wanted to actually have a look as to how bad it would be, thanks anyways
[20:04] <daftykins> np
[20:05] <dreamon_> daftykins, I think so. backports are active.System is up to date
[20:06] <FrancisH_> hey guys have any of you ever encrypted and setup a mail server on ubuntu, or ubuntu server?
[20:07] <daftykins> dreamon_: hrmm, it's a bit beyond my experience then i'm afraid. i would maybe boot a live session from the USB 2 port of a newer ubuntu, (with a newer kernel) then connect the drive and see what it does. (or just put a newer kernel on)
[20:08] <gioacchino> ciao
[20:08] <gioacchino> !list
[20:08] <dreamon_> daftykins, I will do so.. think it could be a problem of the usb3.0 to sata adapter I used getting the hdd to work
[20:10] <daftykins> dreamon_: could be - if you had another system to test it on that'd probably be handy too
[20:12] <hallah> I'd like to inteject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
[20:12] <hallah> Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
[20:12] <hallah> There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in
[20:12] <hallah> combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
[20:12] <FloodBot1> hallah: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:12] <fabydonciao> ciao a tutti
[20:13] <\u03b5> I'm not sure I understand how to enable apport's crash intercepter without it transmitting the resulting dump to launchpad and whatnot. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport#Ubuntu_12.04_and_later seems to imply it would transmit them
[20:14] <\u03b5> so is there a better resource than [[Apport]] on how to configure it?
[20:18] <kostkon> hallah, take your propaganda elsewhere please
[20:18] <fabydonciao> !list
[20:19] <hallah> kostkon, it's obvious you do not use software that is free as in freedom
[20:19] <ActionParsnip> Hallah: do you have an Ubuntu support question?
[20:20] <bekks> hallah: It is offtopic in here.
[20:20] <hitsujiTMO> !ot | hallah this is a support channel not a channel on discussing topics you don't fully understand. maybe try #ubuntu-offtopic and someone there might take the time to explain the fallacies in your understanding of what linux and gnu/linux actually are
[20:21] <hallah> yeah, why do you ubuntu users keep refering to GNU/Linux as just "Linux"?
[20:21] <hallah> dumbfucks
[20:21] <ActionParsnip> Hallah: you can chitchat all you want in #ubuntu-offtopic or ##club-ubuntu
[20:21] <hallah> nice wannabe-moderating ActionParsnip
[20:21] <hallah> suck mod dick some more
[20:21] <ActionParsnip> What a strange person
[20:22] <hitsujiTMO> Danato: yes i am here
[20:22] <daftykins> i only wish i were still surprised by such types
[20:22] <Pici> !guidelines > hallah
[20:22] <BluesKaj> hallah , cut  and paste somewhere else
[20:22] <\u03b5> should I restate my question?
[20:22] <bekks> \u03b5: yes please
[20:23] <ActionParsnip> \u03b5: please
[20:23] <\u03b5> I'm not sure I understand how to enable apport's crash intercepter without it transmitting the resulting dump to launchpad and whatnot. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport#Ubuntu_12.04_and_later seems to imply it would transmit them
[20:23] <\u03b5> so is there a better resource than [[Apport]] on how to configure it?
[20:23] <Danato> hitsujiTMO: nice, sorry for bothering you again, but can I have your assistance testing the new kernel again?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1250051
[20:23] <Danato> hitsujiTMO: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.13-rc2-trusty/
[20:23] <somersett> daftykins: With 32KB window size, it's 633Mbps. The link maxes out at 741Mbps at 64KB
[20:23] <\u03b5> I'm looking to enable it so that I may access a crashing program's core dump later
[20:24] <daftykins> somersett: cool - and the win7 reg modifications? have you made them already or not?
[20:24] <\u03b5> the program is not issued from the repos
[20:24] <ActionParsnip> Danato: what is the output of: uname -a
[20:25] <Kishlay> Shutdown button not working on ubunt 13.10   Can someone help please?
[20:25] <somersett> daftykins: What kinds of mods?
[20:25] <aguitel> anyone trying to install epson multifunction cx 5600 ?
[20:25] <ActionParsnip> Kishlay: do you mean in the dropdown in the top right?
[20:25] <Danato> ActionParsnip: 3.11.0-13-generic #20-Ubuntu SMP Wed Oct 23 07:38:26 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
 Yes
[20:26] <daftykins> somersett: two registry key value changes to improve file serving on win7
[20:26] <lazo> hello guy
[20:26] <ActionParsnip> Danato: then get the 2 deb files with 'amd64' in the name and the one will 'all' in it
[20:27] <ActionParsnip> Kishlay: if you run: sudo shutdown -h now ,does it power off
[20:27] <somersett> daftykins: What are they? You would think performance would be decent without them, but I'll try them.
[20:27] <PDilyard> i have a .sh file that starts several terminals and runs commands in each one. how can i ssh into my server, start these scripts, and then close the ssh session but leave those other scripts running?
 Yes I have tried that
 that will shutdown... But i want the dropdown button to work
[20:28] <ActionParsnip> Kishlay: does it power off?
[20:28] <hitsujiTMO>    Danato this should do: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6500964/      just do the same as you did with 3.12 kernel. if this has the same issue where it won't boot. I'd also try grabbing the latest trusty daily build and see if the issue is on the daily build too.
[20:28] <ActionParsnip> Kishlay: ok, i suggest you report a bug, you have a workaround for now
[20:28] <daftykins> somersett: performance is, but it can be kinda buggy. windows 7 is sold as a client OS so no, file serving is not one of its' prerequisites
[20:29] <anew> -bash: !": "event not found"
[20:29] <anew> i get that when i'm running my perl script in ubuntu
[20:29] <anew> any idea wtf it means
[20:29] <daftykins> somersett: http://alan.lamielle.net/2009/09/03/windows-7-nonpaged-pool-srv-error-2017
 Thanks...   I have already reported the bug and I have to use cairo for shutdown now
[20:30] <ActionParsnip> Kishlay: ok sweet
[20:30] <daftykins> somersett: it may not instantly improve speeds, but it's a worthy addition nonetheless. did you say you've tried copying from Windows *TO* Ubuntu also? or just to Windows?
[20:30] <somersett> Both. It's a dead 0.03MB/sec either way.
[20:30] <vovick> anew: what line are you using to run your script?
[20:30] <anew> perl script.pl
[20:31] <Omur> hello
[20:31] <hitsujiTMO> anew is the perl script caslling a bash script?
[20:31] <anew> well i do have perl script.pl -text "text goes here"
[20:31] <jmgk> hi Omur
[20:32] <Omur> selam
[20:32] <anew> no, should be straight perl
[20:32] <ActionParsnip> Doesnt Cairo dock have its own Window Manager
[20:32] <Omur> kimse yokmu yardımıc olacak
[20:32] <anew> let me mess with the cli options see if that does anything
[20:32] <anew> selam lol
[20:32] <hitsujiTMO> anew: can you pastebin the script?
[20:32] <ActionParsnip> Anew: add the top line for perl to set the interpretter
[20:32] <anew> this is a religious free irc room !
[20:32] <Omur> linux da autocad calıştıra bilirmiyim
[20:32] <anew> let me test something
[20:32] <ActionParsnip> Anew: yes it is pure support
[20:32] <\u03b5> anew: perl5 is not a religion, it is heresy
[20:32] <anew> lol
[20:33] <hassen> doh...everytime the mouse right-click generated menu in any sort of flash in the browser makes the browser unresponsive,i wonder what's up.
[20:34] <malimbar> does anyone know a good resource for how to build a .deb package?
[20:34] <anew> ok
[20:34] <anew> seems that when i add parameters
[20:34] <anew> like
[20:35] <zkvvoob> Hi guys! I have some problems receiving mail on a Ubuntu 12.04 server. Would someone like to help me?
[20:35] <anew> perl script.pl -review "test this ... out what's up!"
[20:35] <anew> it gives me that error
[20:35] <anew> if i leave that out it's fine, but shouldnt it run inside the quotes ?
[20:35] <pero> hitsujiTMO: re trim: while that made the computer more usable, web browsing was still noticably laggier and then it completely choked downloading a few large jpgs, and eventually completely froze the system; on reboot it took 1 minute to load whereas it normally takes 30s
[20:35] <Danato> hitsujiTMO: although i got it now, ive got no idea what did i do to install and uninstall the 3.12 kernel. So after dpkg them should i simply reboot now?
[20:35] <Pici> anew: try single quotes
[20:36] <anew> ok
[20:36] <pero> hitsujiTMO: is it maybe time for a new hd? the non-ssd drive is from 2006
[20:36] <ActionParsnip> Anew: i'd ask in #perl too
[20:36] <anew> think that worked
[20:36] <anew> single quotes
[20:37] <ActionParsnip> Danato: install the debs at the same time using dpkg
[20:37] <hitsujiTMO> pero: quite possibly, can you have a look at the smart info. un the disks utility you can find it there
[20:38] <Danato> ActionParsnip: i already installed them using dpkg, it was in hitsujiTMO pastebin, so now i jst reboot right?
[20:38] <zkvvoob> Hi guys! I have some problems receiving mail on a Ubuntu 12.04 server. Would someone like to help me?
[20:38] <hitsujiTMO> Danato: yeah, after you install the debs with dpkg, restart and it sholud boot the kernel. if it fails to boot remember to boot the older kernel by finding it in the advanced menu in grub
[20:38] <ActionParsnip> Anew: if you make the top line be: #!/usr/bin/perl ,you won't need to use the perl binary to run the script, the shell will just know
[20:38] <Danato> hitsujiTMO: got it
[20:38] <ActionParsnip> Danato: yes
[20:39] <hitsujiTMO> Danato: also disable the blacklight script beforee the roboot so you can actually test :P
[20:39] <uBUXUBu> what can cause a desktop computer to refuse to boot from the cd drive?
[20:39] <streulma> who uses Ubuntu on a Mac? :p
[20:39] <pero> hitsujiTMO: disk is OK apparently - this issue only started happening yesterday and i don't remember doing any installations or modifications
[20:39] <malimbar> streulma, I do on an older mac
[20:40] <hitsujiTMO> uBUXUBu: badly burned iso, invalid iso, fastboot enabled, secure boot enabled and the cd doesn't have a secure kernel or shim.
[20:40] <ActionParsnip> Ubuxubu: trying to boot a DVD in a CD only drive
[20:40] <uBUXUBu> hmmm but i have installed OS's on it before?
[20:40] <hitsujiTMO> pero: its a little odd to be honest. can't think off the top of my head what the cause might be
[20:41] <uBUXUBu> ahhh ok action
[20:41] <uBUXUBu> ill check it
[20:41] <uBUXUBu> i have 2 identical dells and i mean identical
[20:41] <Beldar> uBUXUBu, Are you aware of the per-session boot menu?
[20:41] <uBUXUBu> one boots form cd other wont
[20:41] <ActionParsnip> Ubuxubu: did you md5 test the iso you downloaded? Did you burn as slowly as possible
[20:41] <alket> anyone knows how to test internet connection in linux, I have the integrated wireless and two usb wireless , since the integrated one is low I want to test which one is faster
[20:41] <uBUXUBu> well yes its tested because i just installed it on the computers twin bro
[20:42] <uBUXUBu> i have 2 identical dells part for part
[20:42] <Beldar> uBUXUBu, be sure to use nicks here you can tab complete them.
[20:42] <ActionParsnip> Alket: ping <IP_ADDRESS> do you get replies?
[20:42] <hitsujiTMO> alket: try speedtest.net but its not a 100% reliable test. just an indicator
[20:42] <uBUXUBu> ok Beldar, ActionParsnip and hitsujiTMO
[20:43] <ActionParsnip> Ubuxubu: you could use unetbotin and make an install usb using the iso file
[20:43] <alket> ActionParsnip: yes
[20:43] <uBUXUBu> ok ActionParsnip
[20:43] <alket> ActionParsnip: 64 bytes from <IP_ADDRESS>: icmp_seq=3 ttl=50 time=46.2 ms
[20:43] <somersett> daftykins, I added the reg entry and sitll am only getting 0.03MB/s
[20:43] <streulma> malimbar: I want to run it on a Retina, but the screen and fonts are not sharp on 1680 resolution
[20:43] <uBUXUBu> but ima try to fix it
[20:43] <ActionParsnip> Alket: then internet is working
[20:43] <Danato> hitsujiTMO: I'm in, I had some error messages but i was able to boot well, the problem is fixed now :)
[20:43] <uBUXUBu> ty all
[20:44] <alket> ActionParsnip: but I want to know which one is faster
[20:44] <ActionParsnip> Streulma: tried xhanging font hinting?
[20:44] <hitsujiTMO> Danato: you did disable the backlight script first?
[20:44] <daftykins> somersett: it requires a restart, but yeah. like i said. anywho how did you setup SAMBA?
[20:44] <ActionParsnip> Alket: try speedtest.net as hitsujiTMO suggested
[20:44] <somersett> daftykins: smb.conf lol
[20:45] <alket> ActionParsnip: thank you, hitsujiTMO thank you too
[20:45] <Danato> hitsujiTMO: i havent been using it at all
[20:45] <malimbar> streulma, not sharp? ubuntu is saying it's 1680 resolution?
[20:46] <streulma> malimbar: it's 2880px resolution for Retina, but I scaled it
[20:46] <hitsujiTMO> streulma: can you pastebin the output of: xrandr
[20:46] <ActionParsnip> Danato: we cannot support that kernel in here as it is not from the repos but glad things are beter
[20:46] <daftykins> somersett: right, but you configured how much? any other special quirks going on in your setup?
[20:46] <malimbar> streulma, well scaling is going to cause non-sharpness
[20:47] <Danato> ActionParsnip: It was only for testing, in fact I still need help to uninstall this kernel. I'll wait for the stable release
[20:47] <Danato> jst going to reboot, brb
[20:47] <hitsujiTMO> Danato: can you pastebin the output of: dpkg --get-selections | grep linux-
[20:48] <zkvvoob> Hi guys! I have some problems receiving mail on a Ubuntu 12.04 server. Would someone like to help me?
[20:48] <malimbar> streulma, especially when you scale something with fixed pixels. Scaling means they have to guess what the missing pixels are, and then fuzz them together ot make them take up a weird area
[20:48] <ActionParsnip> Danato: you can use software centre or apt-get
[20:48] <Danato> hitsujiTMO: ok
[20:48] <Calinou> ask your question zkvvoob
[20:48] <ActionParsnip> Stremula: is this on Aple hardware?
[20:50] <malimbar> ActionParsnip, that's what he said. Not sure why that woudl matter though?
[20:50] <hitsujiTMO> streulma: have you correctly set a resolution with the same aspect ratio as your screen. 1680 * 1050 is 16:10 but a normal standard would be 16:9
[20:50] <zkvvoob> Here it is, then. I have a Ubuntu 12.04 server with Postfix/Dovecot installed. Up until a couple of weeks ago things worked fine. Right now I discovered that while I can send emails (notably from Rouncube which I use as webmail client), I can't receive any - either from telnet, or from outside
[20:50] <ActionParsnip> Malimbar: just curious
[20:50] <malimbar> jus t wondering if you had some magical knowledge I didn't know :)
[20:51] <ActionParsnip> Zkvvoob: can you ping the mail server it sends on to etc
[20:51] <Danato> hitsujiTMO: http://pastebin.com/SCrPXnwY
[20:51] <hitsujiTMO> streulma: having the wrong aspect ratio would certainly make the screen look a bit awful
[20:51] <zkvvoob> yes
[20:51] <zkvvoob> ActionParsnip: yes
[20:51] <Danato> ActionParsnip: it seems to update fine, and software center opens fine. anything in specific?
[20:52] <ActionParsnip> Danato: sudo apt-get --purge remove linux-image-3.13.0-031300rc2-generic ,will remove the kernel
[20:52] <hitsujiTMO> Danato: sudo apt-get purge linux-headers-3.13.0-031300rc2-generic linux-headers-3.13.0-031300rc2 linux-image-3.13.0-031300rc2-generic
[20:52] <ActionParsnip> Zkvvob: is it set right in the config? With SSL and authentication as needed
[20:53] <DRice7> daftykins: so the AST driver loads now and appears to be working. Now I am having problems with the monitor hah.
[20:53] <Danato> ActionParsnip: sorry, i misunderstood you before
[20:53] <zkvvoob> ActionParsnip: followed a tutorial on HowToForge - the Perfect server. It was months ago and it's been working fine.
[20:53] <Danato> hitsujiTMO: done, thanks. rebooting now
[20:54] <ActionParsnip> Zkvvoob: tried a reboot
[20:54] <zkvvoob> ActionParsnip: tried all the usual stuff
[20:55] <ActionParsnip> Does Cairo-Dock come with it's own Window manager?
[20:55] <Beldar> ActionParsnip, Yeah it installs its own de
[20:55] <omni_1991> Hello; This is new: http://omidnikta.github.io/qtmind , Play it please, enjoy it, and report bugs.
[20:55] <ActionParsnip> Zkvvoob: also ask in #ubuntu-server ,may want to check logs too
[20:56] <hitsujiTMO> ActionParsnip: no afaik. doesan't even have its own composite manager and it needs one
[20:56] <ActionParsnip> Beldar: thanks trying it now :-)
[20:56] <Beldar> ActionParsnip, I use just the dock in the shell for example though.
[20:57] <daftykins> DRice7: if it isn't one thing... :D is it just not getting the correct resolution? be aware that adapter seems very basic so you would likely get a poor picture
[20:57] <zkvvoob> ActionParsnip: ok, thanks!
[21:02] <Guest40427> Hi! Can you tell me how to run two audio apps at the same time in Ubuntu?
[21:02] <Guest40427> Ubuntu 13.10
[21:04] <Beldar> Guest40427, Can you give a little more detail and the end goal here.
[21:06] <linuxuz3r> what version of firefox on latest ubuntu?
[21:07] <malimbar> linuxuz3r, looking at mine it looks like 25.0.1
[21:07] <Beldar> linuxuz3r, 25 same as all releases
[21:07] <DJones> !info firefox
[21:07] <linuxuz3r> ok 25 here too
[21:07] <DJones> linuxuz3r: As above
[21:08] <linuxuz3r> but it is slow when watching multiple videos
[21:08] <bekks> linuxuz3r: flash videos?
[21:08] <linuxuz3r> yes
[21:08] <linuxuz3r> i need to upgrade flash?
[21:08] <streulma> then you have a slow cpu linuxuz3r?
[21:08] <bekks> You cant. Native flash isnbt supported by Adobe anymore. You have to use Chrom and the PepperFlash builtin.
[21:08] <streulma> I thought you run Linux on Mac linuxuz3r?
[21:09] <pero> hitsujiTMO: any chance you have any other angles for triaging? i'm downloading a torrent at 700kbps and everything is at a crawl
[21:09] <linuxuz3r> i have pc and macbookpro
[21:09] <linuxuz3r> i mostly run ubuntu on pc
[21:09] <linuxuz3r> bekks, i want ff instead of chrome
[21:09] <linuxuz3r> chrome logs to many things
[21:09] <Calinou> Guest40427, it is possible to do that by default just fine?
[21:09] <Calinou> what do you want to run?
[21:09] <Calinou> linuxuz3r, chromium.
[21:10] <Calinou> chrome without the downsides
[21:10] <Calinou> if you tweak it
[21:10] <merlin1978> I just want my ubuntu server to send email using java. what will I need to setup?
[21:10] <Calinou> linuxuz3r, flash eats CPU, if you run many videos at once it can use all of it
[21:10] <linuxuz3r> yes
[21:10] <linuxuz3r> Calinou, ok
[21:10] <bekks> linuxuz3r: If you dont like chrome, then you have to live with your old flash version.
[21:11] <streulma> anyone has thoughts over using linux on Mac?
[21:11] <Beldar> chromium will use the same flash as FF
[21:11] <Calinou> streulma, not that good to do
[21:11] <bekks> streulma: Whats the specific reason of your question?
[21:12] <bekks> Calinou: Thats how it is shipped.
[21:12] <streulma> I would install Ubuntu on Mac, because I don't want to change the Mac for PC, but I would run Ubuntu, because it's free and for the Mac stuff I have to pay
[21:12] <jevon> is there an extension for chrome that i can resize the tabs just like in opera?
[21:12] <Calinou> OS X updates are free as of 10.9 :P
[21:13] <streulma> Calinou: ALL updates from 10.9 ?
[21:13] <jevon>  that i have a thumbnail like preview of the content in the tab?
[21:13] <streulma> so 11.0 and 11.1 and 2 also?
[21:13] <bekks> streulma: Yes.
[21:14] <daftykins> streulma: 10.9 and potentially future releases will no longer cost - but likely they will slowly remove hardware support with future editions
[21:14] <streulma> daftykins: there is my point, I would run my PC longer :) so I must install Ubuntu
[21:14] <jevon> please let me know
[21:15] <bekks> jevon: Did you search the chrome addons yet?
[21:17] <jevon> yes, i tried "too many tabs" but it wasn't what i was looking for...
[21:22] <jevon> just like this: http://postimg.org/image/giwulljk9/
[21:22] <pedahzur> I am trying to do an 12.04 install via the mini.iso.  I get through the first part of setup OK (network, etc), but when I get to Load Installer Components, it just hangs on a purple screenn.  The log screen (ctrl-f4) shows it downloading three GPG keys, but then after that it just hangs, nothing in the logs, nothing on the installer screen. Ideas?  I'm at a loss here.
[21:23] <Steve132> Can someone tell me how UEFI works?
[21:23] <Steve132> I have a new laptop that came with windows 8 on it, and I installed windows 8.1 on it with their update manager
[21:23] <Beldar> Steve132, Probably not with any real definitive, whats the issue?
[21:24] <Beldar> you loose the grub boot?
[21:24] <Steve132> I want to dual boot...  I know this means that I have to do one of 1) disable UEFI and disable secure boot 2) Disable secure boot but not UEFI 3) Install a linux flavor with a secure boot key,
[21:24] <Beldar> !uefi | Steve132
[21:24] <Steve132> And I was just hoping someone could enlighten me on which of those options is best
[21:25] <ResQue> where can i find grub.efi boot manager, i have a mac and need to install grub manually
[21:25] <ResQue> i am looking just for the grub.efi file
[21:26] <Beldar> Steve132, Each manufacturer has there own tweaked version, this link may be helpful as well. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147295  Back up the windows first.
[21:26] <hitsujiTMO> ResQue: use grub-install
[21:27] <ResQue> hitsujiTMO: i would prefer to do this manualy, could you please tell me where the file is location or how i could find it
[21:28] <hitsujiTMO> Steve132: simply install ubuntu away. you can safely install ubuntu with secure boot enabled. the only issue that i notice with uefi is that if any OS updates the kernel or bootloader it will update the efi boot manager, which sets then itself as the default OS. so you generally need to select the OS from the uefi boot menu
[21:28] <Steve132> So ubuntu detects secure boot and works and configures itself?
[21:28] <hitsujiTMO> ResQue: you can't do it manually. it needs to have entries pertaining to as to where grub actually is
[21:28] <hitsujiTMO> Steve132: yup
[21:29] <Beldar> Steve132, On a good day hopefully.
[21:29] <Steve132> ok
[21:29] <Steve132> is that recommended?
[21:29] <Steve132> like, does it cause any bugs in either system to do it that way?
[21:30] <hitsujiTMO> Steve132: yeah, some peeps seem to have issues booting oem copies of windows with secure boot disabled so its best to keep it enabled
[21:30] <ResQue> hitsujiTMO: grub-install would run a lot of unnessary  commands, some of which try to access nvram which in the past has been known to damage macs.
[21:30] <Steve132> ok
[21:30] <Steve132> I'll try it
[21:30] <Steve132> also, I wanted to try mint.  I know mint is based on ubuntu...is mint likely to have the same support built in?
[21:30] <ResQue> hitsujiTMO: "cant do it manually" i dont  understand isnt the very point of a efi file is that you can just select and boot from it
[21:30] <Beldar> Steve132, Make sure you have made a recovery cd or usb from W8.1 and back it up.
[21:31] <Steve132> It's a brand-new laptop, so I don't care if I lose everything
[21:31] <Beldar> Steve132, Problem with that is its gpt, you can run into problems be prepared.
[21:31] <streulma> Steve132: I make a recovery disk from Win 8 on USB, then did from Linux a DD to the NAS
[21:32] <hitsujiTMO> ResQue: the efi file needs to be patched such that it points to exactly where grub is.
[21:32] <Steve132> Beldar: I don't understand..what do you mean?
[21:32] <Beldar> Steve132, gpt is a different partition type which includes the partition table.
[21:32] <Steve132> right, I get that
[21:33] <Steve132> but I'm not sure I understand what that has to do with the backup media
[21:33] <streulma> guys, how more I read here about Ubuntu, how more it is time to run Linux on my Mac :p
[21:33] <streulma> I have to devide the hdd
[21:34] <Beldar> Steve132, Your choice I just see almost daily people not backing this up and or making a recovery which is tiny and having problems is all, this is like when you drive your car you wear a seatbelt.
[21:34] <hitsujiTMO> ResQue: this means that for ANY changes to grub, it will have to run grub-install anyway. I also sincerely doubt grub-install damages a mac
[21:34] <Beldar> cover your booty in other words
[21:34] <Steve132> What I'm saying is that I don't understand what risk I'm taking.   You are saying there is a risk of data loss or something, but I have no data to lose.  What's the problem?
[21:35] <Steve132> Then you said that I'll lose my gpt table or something, but I don't get that either.
[21:35] <hitsujiTMO> ResQue: also the file you are reffering to is called: grubx64.efi
[21:36] <Beldar> Steve132, I did not say you would loose it, I just stated you have one. Lets say you had to return this computer, you might want the ability to have it be stock, lets say soemthing goes wrong and returning back to stock is the best option. Anyway do what you want.
[21:37] <mrproper> Whenever I try to boot Ubuntu 12.04 on my server (netboot) it looks to download the package list and then stops, does nothing. The debug console says it had finished checking certificates. Any suggestions?
[21:39] <hassen> doh,now flash player keeps crashing in ustream and youtube
[21:39] <Beldar> hassen, In firefox?
[21:39] <hassen> Beldar, yes
[21:39] <hassen> Beldar, and when i get that allow/deny hardware menu,it freezes
[21:40] <Beldar> hassen, Adobe does not support linux, so the flash version is a bit older than one can get in Windows or that chrome provides, it is unstable basically.
[21:40] <Steve132> Beldar: Ah, ok.  I get what you mean.  I do have recovery media for factory settings, thanks
 Steve132, Problem with that is its gpt, you can run into problems be prepared.
[21:40] <Steve132> came with the laptop in the box
[21:40] <Calinou> GPT isn't the problem, UEFI is
[21:41] <Calinou> installing linux in GPT is no problem these days
[21:41] <Calinou> as of 2011 windows is always preinstalled in UEFI though
[21:41] <Calinou> but you _can_ boot in BIOS mode with GPT partition table!
[21:41] <hassen> Beldar, i see..is chrome better then?download it?
[21:42] <Beldar> Calinou, gpt is not a problem if the user knows what they are doing, part of the problem with uefi is that the manufacturers have their own versions.
[21:42] <Beldar> hassen, Some think so I don't use it myself.
[21:43] <hassen> whatever..i see
[21:43] <hitsujiTMO> ResQue: if you must know thought, the .efi file os generated from the correct module in /boot/grub/x86_64-efi/ afaik
[21:43] <hitsujiTMO> s/os/is
[21:43] <hassen> even in browser-based MMO the graphism in win7 seems 3D-accelerated ,while in linux,it seemed like there is any sort of 3D acceleration
[21:44] <hassen> same tested MMO: tankionline.com
[21:44] <Beldar> hassen, Freezes I would check the OS using htop as well, could be swapping or the chip is maxed out, or other issues.
[21:44] <syeekick> Where multiplayer is available, it can only be played between similar platforms: Windows VS Windows, Linux VS Linux.   regarding cross platforms games is this true? worms reloaded in question
[21:44] <wiciu> join #cyanogenmod
[21:45] <Calinou> syeekick, it depends, but cross platform is almost always possible
[21:45] <Danato> hitsujiTMO: is he asking me to install ubuntu 14.04 as a.... third boot?
[21:45] <Beldar> wiciu, /join
[21:45] <Danato> hitsujiTMO: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1250051
[21:45] <Danato> hitsujiTMO: last comment
[21:46] <hitsujiTMO> Danato: hes asking to just boot the iso and see if the issue exists on the iso
[21:46] <Danato> hitsujiTMO: aah right
[21:47] <hitsujiTMO> Danato: just boot as a live cd. I presume he's trying to figure out whewre the issues stems from. was it an issue in the mainline kernel pre 3.13 or was it caused by an ubuntu patch
[21:48] <Danato> hitsujiTMO: got it, ill try to find an usb around
[21:49] <somersett> daftykins: I set auth to open, and added a folder
[21:50] <wiciu> hey guys! I open irc client after roughly 10years, I need some professional advise concerning privacy and what happened with my win8. I dunno if I could try to find out the reason of what happened. Is there some specialist of privacy online? I got obsessed by the fact that I was spied. Now I switched to Ubuntu and I feel it better. Much better.
[21:51] <wiciu> I know that I won't get any help in the small town I live now :P
[21:54] <wiciu> If the only way to start your ubuntu is to reset BIOS I guess it's not friendly marketing practice...
[21:55] <ActionParsnip> Wiciu: its not like that. Where did you get that idea from?
[21:55] <Beldar> wiciu, Not really a support issue, if you go on the web you have no privacy, privacy is a myth so don't go full OCD on it. ;)
[21:56] <ActionParsnip> Wiciu: windows8 is not supported here.
[21:56] <wiciu> yeah but now I would like to manage my switch to Ubu
[21:58] <Beldar> wiciu, go to settings privacy and clear it and turn off the save.
[21:58] <eddwan> hi there
[21:58] <ActionParsnip> Wiciu: you can also change what is logged etc.
[22:01] <hassen> !sudo -i
[22:01] <hassen> !sudo
[22:02] <Beldar> hassen, be careful rooting the terminal it is rarely needed, just use sudo
[22:02] <hassen> wow..that funny ubottu bot..
[22:02] <hassen> Beldar, yes,sure thing.
[22:02] <ActionParsnip> hassen: she is useful
[22:02] <hassen> ActionParsnip, indeed.
[22:02] <Beldar> many are used to doing it from other distros like debian is all
[22:03] <hassen> Beldar, read haphazardly in an article that sudo -i affers using root with the current username's pass
[22:03] <hassen> wanted to try anyway
[22:03] <hassen> *offers6
[22:03] <Beldar> hassen, Cool.
[22:04] <ilmen_> Hello
[22:04] <Beldar> wiciu, Do you use social media like facebook....etc
[22:05] <wiciu> yeah I know that. I've changed recently all my important passwords and I created kind of matrix to memorize all different passwords :)
[22:06] <oal> How can I run "adduser" without it asking me for Full name etc? Basically run the command and add the user, without asking questions?
[22:06] <wiciu> I have no clue that someone tried to log in in my social accounts recently
[22:07] <Beldar> wiciu, Personally I use none of that for some privacy is all.
[22:07] <ActionParsnip> Oal: checked the man page, there may be a way to supress it, or just add the data at creation
[22:07] <wiciu> but what I feel is that windows wanted to collect a lot info about me
[22:07] <ActionParsnip> Wiciu: those 2 things are not linked
[22:08] <ilmen_> I'm trying to install Ubuntu 13.10 64bit on a laptop (along with Windows 8) via LiveUSB, but I couldn't use the "install alongside Windows 8" option because it throws an error telling it's not able to unmount some drive; so I'm trying to figure out how to properly use the custom partitioning mode
[22:08] <adamu> ls
[22:08] <adamu> oops hello
[22:09] <Beldar> windows, google creditors, addware, creditors, nsa take your pick that is just a few
[22:09] <ActionParsnip> Ilmen_: resize your NTFS in Windows and run a chkdsk too, make sure the partition is consistant
[22:09] <adamu> Beldar, Of what?
[22:09] <wiciu> ActionParsnip: yeah I know I got obsessed too much recently but is it normal that your BIOS become upgraded to make boot win8 and anly win8 all the time?
[22:09] <Beldar> adamu, org collecting info
[22:09] <Beldar> orgs
[22:09] <ilmen_> I created from Win8 a FAT32 partition of 30GB for Ubuntu and a 4.20 GB one for the swap
[22:10] <ActionParsnip> Wiciu: no it is set how it is at manufacture. Upgrading a bios is a bit more complex than running windows updates
[22:10] <wiciu> , I needed to reset CMOS to boot my Ubuntu from another disk
[22:10] <Beldar> adamu, I believe you just signed on you have missed the whole conversation.
[22:10] <ActionParsnip> Ilmen_: fat32 is not suitable for Linux
[22:11] <adamu> Beldar, Yeah.. too bad I missed it
[22:11] <ActionParsnip> Ilen_delete the fat32 partition and leave the space free, then install to that
[22:11] <ActionParsnip> Ilmen_: also delete the other one for swap
[22:12] <ilmen_> (respectively sda6 and sda7);   I guess I have to select sda6 for "Drive where the startup program will be installed", right?
[22:12] <ilmen_> Hmm
[22:12] <wiciu> OK! Anyway it was like this that my win8 updated to win 8 'Pro' - yep it was written like this, that was a server version and all that process of upgrade was not really approved by user- I mean, me
[22:14] <ilmen_> And I want to have Ubuntu booting in  EFI mode; should I do something now for this purpose or wait having Ubuntu installed first?
[22:18] <wiciu> ActionParsnip, Now I use Ubu ntu that is the server too but it was my choice
[22:19] <adamu> bye!
[22:20] <ilmen_> Well, I can format my sd6 and giving it a mount point; would deleting it and installing in the freed space be really better?
[22:20] <wiciu> ActionParsnip: I would like to get some practical advices how to manage it now. I see that I have 32bit version, my PC is pretty modern the performance wouldn't be better on x64?
[22:22] <wiciu> what about the NTSF file system? If I don't want to use windows for multimedia is it rational to keep it? Should I format my disk to ext4 better?
[22:22] <hassen> sorry for reposting: how to execute .deb files in the terminal?
[22:23] <somersett> "sudo dpkg -i [package name]" to install
[22:23] <Beldar> hassen, Before doing this you checked the repos for what your installing?
[22:23] <jhutchins> ilmen_: Generally grub should be installed to the device, not to a partition.
[22:23] <jhutchins> ilmen_: sda, not sda#
[22:23] <hassen> Beldar, google chrome browser
[22:23] <ilmen_> Is ext3 the best format for my ubuntu partition (30GB)?
[22:24] <hassen> somersett, i see,thanks.
[22:24] <bekks> ilmen_: use ext4
[22:24] <wiciu> I have also 64GB SD disk inside my PC would't be better to use it as / for Ubu?
[22:24] <ilmen_> Beldar: yeah, but I don't want my preinstalled windows 8 to be deleted
[22:24] <Beldar> hassen, It will install from the software center, I use gdebi personally.
[22:24] <jhutchins> wiciu: I would reformat the ntfs to ext - permissions and ownership will be more consistent through the system.
[22:24] <Beldar> ilmen_, why are you telling me?
[22:24] <bekks> wiciu: for dualboot, it is vital to not format your windows partitions.
[22:24] <hassen> Beldar, yes,but i got enought of move/click mouse :)
[22:25] <hassen> time to dive in terminal command line world
[22:25] <hassen> so we use the 'sudo' to install stuff in the system?
[22:25] <hassen> is the root the only one who can install and add softwares?
[22:25] <bekks> hassen: we use dpkg, and it requires sudo
[22:26] <hassen> yeah the sudo
[22:26] <hassen> even sudo bash blah.run
[22:26] <hassen> sudo is always present
[22:26] <hassen> no?
[22:26] <bekks> No.
[22:27] <Beldar> ilmen_, I would be backing up the W8 and have the recovery cd/usb generated to start with.
[22:27] <bekks> Installing software like sudo bash blah.run might break your box - dont do it.
[22:27] <somersett> Has anyone ever experience extremely slow network copy speeds? Like 0.03MB/sec?
[22:27] <hassen> bekks, why?
[22:28] <bekks> hassen: because blah.run might break your system.
[22:28] <jhutchins> Beldar: Be aware that a factory recovery image is likely to destroy the ubuntu installation rather than restore to a selected partition.
[22:28] <hassen> bekks, e.g i tried to install my ATI gpu prioritary driver with ati*.run file
[22:29] <Beldar> jhutchins, and?
[22:29] <bekks> hassen: that will break with every kernel update
[22:29] <jhutchins> Beldar: Also, an NTFS data partition is useful for sharing files between the Windows and Linux environments.
[22:29] <ilmen_> I guess that making a backup with a tool like Macrium would be wiser
[22:29] <Beldar> jhutchins, I did not tell anyone to use a factory recovery
[22:30] <hassen> bekks, :o
[22:30] <jhutchins> Beldar: I seem to have gotten the wrong nick here.
[22:30] <Beldar> jhutchins, I think you are a bit mixed up I have not addressed a shred ntfs as well.
[22:30] <Beldar> ;)
[22:30] <jhutchins> Beldar: Got you mixed up with ilmen
[22:31] <hassen> seems like windows is getting bugs/errors/viruses from such stuff...
[22:31] <hassen> unlike linux
[22:31] <Beldar> hassen, Started on open source, and used windows of and on last 5 years, never had an infection in any.
[22:32] <bekks> hassen: linux still might break
[22:33] <Beldar> any OS can be compromised if you are careless hassen
[22:33] <hassen> reasonable
[22:36] <wiciu> I don't play games. Just the reason to keep Win8 would be for me graphic and video editing software. Maybe there are some substitutions for that on Linux now? I was not using Ubu fro ~5 years. Can you recommend my some good video software, this is what I would like to work with. I am able to pay but also I don't need too professional stuff.
[22:36] <Beldar> ilmen_, Macrium is a good tool, W8 has no mbr and this app does not save the mbr.
[22:37]  * hassen is testing the chrome's flash plugin in a 3D MMO
[22:40] <Calinou> wiciu, openshot, kdenline, lightworks (currently in beta), gimp, krita
[22:40] <Calinou> the last two are for image editing/creating
[22:40] <Calinou> the 3 first ones are video editing
[22:41] <Daekdroom> !12.04
[22:42] <PDilyard> i have a shell script that i want to run on a server that i have ssh access to. how can i start the script via ssh, but then leave it running when i quit the session?
[22:42] <ActionParsnip> Hassen: windows is the same, the run as admin nag thing, no different
[22:42] <wiciu> Calinou, thanks!
[22:43] <ActionParsnip> hassen: your user is a user, not root. You are sinply a member of the 'sudo' group which is allowed to run commands as root using the sudo command (and gksudo for GUI apps)
[22:45] <ActionParsnip> Pdilyard: use scp to copy the script over. You can then run: ssh user@server "/path/to/file" and it will run, outputs will be shown in your terminal
[22:46] <wiciu> I remember that reading/writing NTSF on Linux was an issue before. How is it know? There is no difference if I store my music or videos on NTSF or ext partition?
[22:46] <PDilyard> ActionParsnip, thanks!
[22:46] <bekks> wiciu: ntfs, not ntsf
[22:47] <ActionParsnip> Pdilyard: this feature allows easy managability of many servers
[22:47] <ActionParsnip> Pdilyard: as you can image, bash loop of server names with the command to run on them all
[22:48] <wiciu> bekks, system file,  file system, we say in Polish- 'one dog' ;)
[22:48] <i3luefire> best method for xferring large amounts of data from ubuntu to freenas
[22:48] <jmgk> hmm
[22:48] <i3luefire> ?
[22:49] <wiciu> bekks, no, OK file system sounds better
[22:50] <Xeronix> Hey guys, I'm having trouble installing Ubuntu Server. My keyboard is not being recognized once the installation wizard begins (the very first step - selecting language)
[22:51] <pero> i have really high load, and i/o operations bring the system to a standstill, with almost nothing running - and the issue came out of nowere yesterday
[22:52] <Beldar> Xeronix, If needed there is #ubuntu-server
[22:52] <gabe_> hi
[22:53] <Danato> how do i format a bootable usb?
[22:53] <Beldar> Danato, fat32
[22:54] <Danato> Beldar: yes
[22:54] <Beldar> Danato, Than use  a usb loader app, there are handfulls
[22:54] <gabe_> hello
[22:54] <gabe_> Im new to this xchat can you chat in differnt servers
[22:55] <Danato> Beldar: anything that comes pre-installed?
[22:55] <gabe_> how do I join other channels
[22:55] <Beldar> Danato, USB?
[22:55] <Beldar> gabe_, /join "channel"
[22:56] <gabe_> where can I search for other channels
[22:56] <Beldar> !alis | gabe_
[22:56] <gabe_> yes
[22:56] <CyberGabber> gabe_: http://searchirc.com/
[22:56] <Danato> Beldar: a usb loader app to format a bootable usb
[22:56] <gabe_> ok thanks
[22:57] <Beldar> Danato, Are you doing this in ubuntu?
[22:57] <Danato> Beldar: yeah
[22:58] <Beldar> Danato, I'm kinda fond of this one you can load multiple ISO, format the usb in gparted though. http://www.pendrivelinux.com/multiboot-create-a-multiboot-usb-from-linux/
[22:59] <gabe_> this is a nice channel
[22:59] <Danato> Beldar: I should have thought about gparted, thanks :)
[22:59] <Beldar> Danato, I have a 16 gig usb with a bunch of linux and a W8.1 iso on it.
[22:59] <SonikkuAmerica> Danato: Yes, GParted is probably the best tool
[23:00] <SonikkuAmerica> Danato: Also, if you're preparing a Live USB drive, format it to the FAT32 standard.
[23:00] <Beldar> including supergrub hehe
[23:00] <Ika> hey
[23:00] <Jay_R> Have any of you had issues with dedicated graphics card that aren't recognized after your box times out?
[23:01] <bekks> Jay_R: What do you mean by "box times out"?
[23:01] <Jay_R> Goes to sleep.
[23:01] <Beldar> Jay_R, Name the card and the issues in detail for help to the channel.
[23:01] <Jay_R> Like you log out.
[23:01] <Danato> SonikkuAmerica: I know, I already have it formated and made it bootable, but now i jst need it back to a normal flash drive
[23:01] <SonikkuAmerica> Danato: OK then, if you want to use it on Windows, use NTFS
[23:02] <SonikkuAmerica> Danato: Otherwise, use ext3 or ext4
[23:02] <SonikkuAmerica> (the latter is preferable)
[23:02] <Ika> anyone got an idea why my laptop wont boot anymore? all i did was upgrade from 11.04 to 13.10?
[23:02] <Jay_R> Card is an NVIDIA GeForce 660 TI.
[23:02] <Beldar> Ika, Through all the releases between?
[23:02] <SonikkuAmerica> =j ##usb
[23:03] <Ika> nope just booted 13.10 through usb and used the upgrade feature in the installation
[23:03] <Jay_R> So... Sometimes when I walk away from my box and it monitor goes to sleep, I'll come back to a display setting of 800x600.
[23:03] <Calinou> Jay_R, suspend using proprietary drivers is unreliable
[23:03] <Calinou> don't use it
[23:03] <Beldar> Ika, Or a fresh install?
[23:03] <DRice7> Can someone help me with my Xorg starting problem? Issue is at the bottom of: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6501600/
[23:03] <Jay_R> Calinou, noted. So screensaver is a better option then?
[23:04] <Ika> Beldar, i booted 13.10 through usb stick after using the disk creator tool then chose upgrade when the option came up
[23:04] <Jay_R> If I unplug the monitor and plug it back in, it goes back to normal.
[23:04] <Calinou> Jay_R,  screensaver is useless
[23:05] <Calinou> just use something that shuts down screen
[23:05] <Beldar> Ika, Not sure if that was designed to go from a eol or anything but the previous release. What is the no boot symptoms?
[23:05] <SonikkuAmerica> DRice7: Are you using a proprietary driver?
[23:05] <DRice7> SonikkuAmerica, I just installed this driver from ASRock - because the ast module was not being found
[23:06] <Ika> Beldar, now when i boot up my laptop it comes up with a page similar to the windows one after a bad shutdown (eg. start normal, start safe mode) but linux 2.6 etc
[23:06] <YellowGTO> Hey guys I installed xfce and now I have an error when trying to use software center
[23:06] <Ika> Beldar, after i select the top option a small line blips in the top left corner of the screen for a while then it shuts off the whole laptop
[23:07] <TmvC> http://www.pixtr.org/image/195.html hahaha f kids
[23:07] <YellowGTO> Software cant be installed or removed because the authentication service is not available
[23:07] <DRice7> Ika, sounds lke you need to toss 'nomodeset' into grub before you boot
[23:07] <Beldar> Ika, Not sure what that would be, if it were me I would would boot the usb pull what you need and do a fresh install. Trying to fix that may not be easy if at all and would you know if really fixed in the end.
[23:08] <DRice7> Ika, I've been researching the same problem all day.
[23:08] <Beldar> Ika, depends on what you want in the end.
[23:08] <Ika> Beldar, well i've tried rebooting from the same usb stick and it skips it in the boot list saying that it isn't there, same with CD Roms
[23:08] <DRice7> If you google: 'nvidia blank screen', you should find what you need
[23:09] <Ika> DRice7, i was never really good at cmd lines :S
[23:09] <DRice7> Ika, real easy step by step guides
[23:09] <Ika> DRice7, was that "no"modeset or "nc"?
[23:09] <Beldar> Ika, You aware of the per-session boot menu? Hard to tell what really happened so far with your description is all.
[23:09] <DRice7> nomodeset
[23:10] <Ika> the o merges with the m so i couldnt tell :3
[23:10] <Beldar> !nomodeset | Ika
[23:11] <DRice7> SonikkuAmerica, I need to go cook dinner apparently - PM me if you have any thoughts
[23:11] <YellowGTO> Any ideas?
[23:12] <Beldar> YellowGTO, You in the install account?
[23:12] <YellowGTO> account?
[23:12] <YellowGTO> Sorry im pretty new
[23:12] <Beldar> YellowGTO, keeo the issue with all posts.
[23:13] <Beldar> YellowGTO, You have a account that was made when you installed it is an admin are you in it?
[23:13] <Ika> DRice7, is this for nvidia cards only? i believe i have AMD
[23:13] <YellowGTO> Yeah Beldar
[23:13] <Calinou> nomodeset works everywhere, Ika
[23:14] <Beldar> YellowGTO, Try a update sudo apt-get update
[23:14] <Ika> ok thanks Calinou, i shall try and be back in a bit
[23:14] <wiciu> any help abut if ntfs/ex4 does make a difference for reading the media files?
[23:15] <xangua> wiciu: please elaborate
[23:15] <YellowGTO> I tried that Beldar
[23:16] <Beldar> YellowGTO, and what happens running it with a sudo apt-get upgrade pastebinned would be helpful here.
[23:16] <mvhenten> Hi, I have a working postfix setup I can connect to from the machine (telnet localhost 25) however, the same trick is not working from remote (home).
[23:16] <mvhenten> I've opened port 25 AFAIK using iptables
[23:16] <mvhenten> but nmap still lists it as "fitered"
[23:17] <mvhenten> I've had trouble setting this up since it's a VPS and I cannot use UFW at all, so down to iptables and mucking about in the mu
[23:17] <mvhenten> mud
[23:17] <Guiri> I'm having trouble with a new Gateway LT netbook.  I am trying to boot to USB, but the netbook doesn't recognize any bootable media (except windows boot manager which leads to windows 8)
[23:17] <YellowGTO> 1 second ill paste it up
[23:17] <Beldar> !pastebin | YellowGTO
[23:17] <mvhenten> any pointers where I should be prodding around?
[23:18] <Beldar> mvhenten, keep the posts all in one to have a concise read for us.
[23:18] <Ika> i tried the nomodeset but it said the command wasnt found
[23:18] <Beldar> Ika, when and where?
[23:19] <Guiri> Anyone want to help me out with setting up Ubuntu on this netbook
[23:19] <Ika> when the grub menu opened it said press c to open cmd line, so i did then i typed in nomodeset
[23:19] <Beldar> !anyone | Guiri
[23:19] <wiciu> I switched from Win8 tu Ubu 12.04 LTS . Now I recognize that I don't need Win so much to live. I have one big partition of my PC with NTFS would it be beneficial to format it to ext file system?
[23:19] <mvhenten> ok sorry. so I can connect smtp from localhost, not from remote, I have tried to enable port 25 trough iptables but it still is "filtered" according to nmap...
[23:19] <Guiri> Beldar I already asked my question and no one responded
[23:19] <Beldar> Ika, you would use e edit read the link.
[23:19] <Ika> ah ok
[23:19] <jevon> !details
[23:19] <Ika> sorry i skim read and didnt see it
[23:20] <Beldar> !uefi | Guiri
[23:20] <jmgk_> lol Billymays
[23:20] <jmgk_> DarkAce-Z:
[23:20] <jmgk_> :P
[23:20] <Guiri> Well this chat is clearly useless
[23:21] <Beldar> hehe of well
[23:21] <jevon> lol
[23:21] <Beldar> oh*
[23:22] <Beldar> 10 min and gives up
[23:23] <koyetsu> can anyone give me an assist on setting up a linux live dvd pxe? i have my ubuntu server installer working but i'm not sure how to setup the live dvd. it isn't ubuntu but i hope it's not too far off for someone to assist
[23:24] <mvhenten> sooo anyone have an idea where I should start looking to enable smtp from the outside? I cannot use UFW it's a virtuozzo vps. I'd really like some email tho.
[23:26] <arpad2> I tried to install  Bumblebee from wiki.ubuntu.com/Bumblebee, but after following the instructions the 'optirun opera' gave me an error message http://paste.ubuntu.com/6501697  where can be an user added to the 'bumblebee' group?
[23:27] <hitsujiTMO> arpad2: did you add yourself to the bumblebee group?
[23:28] <arpad2> hitsujiTMO>: no, I couldn't find where it is
[23:29] <hitsujiTMO> arpad2: type this EXACTLY: sudo usermod -aG bumblebee `whoami`
[23:29] <hitsujiTMO> arpad2: once that's done you need to relog to be part of the group
[23:30] <mvhenten> ok a more pragmatic question: I see /etc/firewall.conf and I have removed ufw. I assume I can safely remove :ufw rules there right?
[23:30] <arpad2> the thing is now I am not logged in with the user who has sudo priviledges
[23:31] <Beldar> koyetsu, This is ubuntu support you might try ##linux
[23:31] <Beldar> or the actual distros channel
[23:31] <hitsujiTMO> arpad2: then log in with the user that has sudo proviledges and type: sudo usermod -aG bumblebee <user>                   replacing <user> with the user that you want to give bumblebee access to
[23:32] <silver073000> !help
[23:32] <koyetsu> i was just hoping someone could point me in the right direction....i tried the distro's chan 80 ppl no response
 thank you
[23:32] <zykotick9> hitsujiTMO: i think using "sudo adduser USERNAME GROUP" is MUCH safer suggestion then usermod - prevents the, "why am i only in one group now?"  ;)
[23:32] <hitsujiTMO> zykotick9: cool, will note that
[23:33] <Ika> nomodeset didnt work
[23:34] <bodom> Hi there. I've made some customiziations to my initrd's "init" script. What is the correct place to put them so that they will not get overwritten by update-initrd?
 should I make a reboot after?
[23:36] <_dan_> hi, any way to install openjdk-7-jre on old version of ubuntu (9.04)?
[23:36] <hitsujiTMO> arpad2: no, just logging into the users account AFTER the change has been made is enough
[23:36] <zykotick9> arpad2: just logout and back in (to apply new group memebership)
[23:37] <arpad2> thank you
[23:37] <xangua> _dan_: please upgrade to a supported ubuntu distro
[23:37] <hitsujiTMO> _dan_: end of line versions are not supported here. best to upgrade
[23:37] <_dan_> i am a bit worried if i upgrade i will not be able to connect to it anymore
[23:38] <YellowGTO> Beldar, digging in the logs I found 2 crash reports
[23:38] <hitsujiTMO> _dan_: is this a server?
[23:38] <_dan_> yeah
[23:38] <YellowGTO> paste.ubuntu.com/6501745
[23:38] <Balzy> Hello! I'm currently installing root on my kubuntu machine and I have a little doubt about the following line:    (g)make        [or, make -j n, for n core machines].
[23:38] <hitsujiTMO> _dan_: so you are aware that you have been running a server with a insecure version of ubuntu for at least 2 years?
[23:39] <YellowGTO> And http://paste.ubuntu.com/6501750
[23:39] <Balzy> My computer is a Intel core i3 so  I think the core number is 4, is that right?
[23:39] <_dan_> yep
[23:39] <Calinou> Balzy, that's 4 THREADS not cores
[23:39] <Calinou> i3s have hyperthreading, which doubles the number of threads available
[23:39] <Calinou> (it is enabled by default)
[23:39] <Calinou> so yes, you should use make -j4
[23:39] <bitbagel> I had a boyfriend named Ubuntu once.    He would "play the bongos" on my ass.
[23:39] <FloodBot1> bitbagel: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:40] <hitsujiTMO> _dan_: best thing to do is backup what you can and then begin the upgrade process.
[23:40] <Balzy> Calinou yeah that was my doubt, what is exactly the number I should use?
[23:40] <bitbagel> I had a boyfriend named Ubuntu once.  He would "play the bongos" on my assssss.
[23:40] <bitbagel> I had a boyfriend named Ubuntu once.  He would "play the bongos" on my ass.
[23:40] <xangua> !ops | bitbagel
[23:40] <Balzy> okay 4
[23:40] <Balzy> thanks
[23:40] <Calinou> Balzy, 4
 now it started the program, is it using now the videocard?
[23:41] <_dan_> alright, i will try to upgrade...
[23:41] <_dan_> what is the command to start it?
[23:41] <Balzy> Calinou so if a program or whatelse asks me the number of cores I should always refer to the number of threads that is 4?
[23:42] <hitsujiTMO> arpad2: it should be. best thing to do is to run glxgears ( or similar app ), then run glxgears throu optirun and see if there's a difference. that should show if its working or not
[23:42] <Calinou> Balzy, yes
[23:42] <zykotick9> _dan_: be aware you'd have to upgrade 9.04->9.10->10.04->12.04 at least... fresh install would probably be easier...
[23:42] <hitsujiTMO> !eol | _dan_ all info should be here. eol upgrades are a little more involved afaik
 ok, here glxgears not installed
[23:43] <Balzy> Calinou while the physical cores are only 2?
[23:43] <Beldar> YellowGTO, seems the software center is having some problem, I'm not really able to see what exactly, however just seeing if you can use apt-get as I asked would be a good start. YOu can start the software center from the command line will give better errors.
[23:43] <YellowGTO> I can use apt-get
[23:43] <hitsujiTMO> arpad2: i think its part of mesautils
[23:43] <Calinou> Balzy, yes, there are 2 physical cores on an i3
[23:43] <zykotick9> arpad2: btw it's in the mesa-utils package
[23:43] <YellowGTO> It show I found out I had this issue actually
[23:44] <bekks> Balzy: 2 physical cores supporting hyperthreading result in four logical cores.
[23:44] <Beldar> YellowGTO, always use nicks here, run software-center
[23:45] <Balzy> Calinou okay! Thank you very much, now I understand what lscpu was telling me
[23:45] <hitsujiTMO> Balzy: a program should not be asking you how many cores you have ... unless its virtualisation software and its asking you how many cores you want to use on a guest
[23:45] <Calinou> np
 ok
[23:45] <Calinou> hitsujiTMO, it can ask you.
[23:45] <Calinou> yes, it can
[23:45] <Calinou> a decent amount of programs do that
[23:45] <Calinou> compilers, some game stuff...
[23:45] <zykotick9> hitsujiTMO: it's the -j for compiling...
[23:45] <hitsujiTMO> Calinou: really? when it can just check itself?
[23:45] <Balzy> hitsujiTMO I'm installing Root and I'm following cern instructions
[23:46] <Balzy> hitsujiTMO   (g)make                 [or, make -j n, for n core machines]
[23:46] <YellowGTO> I need to add a key manually to my sources because apt-get update wont work
[23:46] <YellowGTO> So i opened up sources and discovered this error
[23:46] <hitsujiTMO> ahh yeah, thats same thing, its asking for how many cores you want to use. not have
[23:47] <Calinou> hitsujiTMO, it is not always done, because it is not trivial
[23:47] <Balzy> hitsujiTMO since my computer has a multicore processor I think I should provide the cores number
[23:47] <xangua> !gpgerr | YellowGTO
[23:47] <Beldar> YellowGTO, if you need a key you can use sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys "key here"
[23:48] <zykotick9> YellowGTO: i assume you added a PPA manually?  BTW, if you use ppa-add-repository (<- or very similar), it will automatically add the keys for you
[23:48] <Balzy> Calinou, hitsujiTMO, what number shall I use? 4 or perhaps a small one?
[23:48] <Calinou> 4
[23:48] <zykotick9> Balzy: fyi, it doesn't really matter...
[23:48] <Calinou> unless you want to do something CPU intensive at the same time
[23:48] <hitsujiTMO> Balzy: 4 if you want it to be as fast as possible
[23:49] <Balzy> okay thanks! I think I'm going with 4, since sometimes I have to run intensive stuff
[23:50] <_dan_> i am a bit confused by that page... how exactly do i run the do-release-upgrade?
[23:50] <_dan_> with no args it just tells me it can't do it
[23:50] <hitsujiTMO> _dan_ whats the exact error?
[23:50] <Beldar> _dan_, What release are you on?
[23:50] <hitsujiTMO> 9.04 Beldar
[23:51] <_dan_> An upgrade from 'jaunty' to 'lucid' is not supported with this tool.
[23:51] <Beldar> ah it wont work with that command then, needs a eol upgrade
[23:52] <Beldar> _dan_, You are better off with a fresh install, much faster and more likely to be a good install.
 optirun glsgears crashed
[23:52] <hitsujiTMO> _dan_: you must upgrade to 9.10 not 10.04
[23:52] <_dan_> not feasible - i only have access over ssh
[23:52] <arpad2> glxgears
[23:53] <hitsujiTMO> _dan_: your provider should have 12.04 templates and have some way of allowing you to reinstall
[23:54] <hitsujiTMO> arpad2: well the fact that its crashing prob means you're on the other gpu. but ... yeah ... should not crash... what gpu do you have?
 you mean which dedicated? thats nvidia gtx675mx
[23:55] <_dan_> yeah, my provider did not think that far ahead :)
[23:55] <hitsujiTMO> _dan_: then maybes its time to switch to a propper provider
[23:56] <_dan_> it is my own machine
[23:56] <_dan_> from a few year ago
[23:56] <hassen> reconnected
[23:57] <hitsujiTMO> _dan_: ahh so you're just renting shelfspace and a connection?
[23:58] <_dan_> no, it runs at my parents house actually
[23:58] <_dan_> who live very far away
[23:59] <_dan_> i am pretty sure if i hose the ssh connection noone there will be able to fix it
[23:59] <hitsujiTMO> arpad2: maybe try nvidia-prime instead of bumblebee. http://www.webupd8.org/2013/08/using-nvidia-graphics-drivers-with.html
[23:59] <mappum> my networking isn't working. eth0 shows up on ifconfig, but all it says all TX packets have been dropped
[23:59] <mappum> this is a new motherboard, maybe it's not compatible?
[23:59] <mappum> i've tested on server 13.10 and desktop 13.10
[23:59] <mappum> anything i should try?