[02:06] <claydoh> is launchpad appropriate for edgy krita (koffice 1.6.1) bugs?
[02:06] <claydoh> bug #71711 makes me wonder
[02:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71711 in koffice "Krita in Edgy doen't open gifs" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71711
[02:06] <claydoh> but thats not the bug
[02:07] <claydoh> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=11660.0;topicseen
[02:09] <Jucato> claydoh: if it's something that Kubuntu did to affect Krita, it should go in LP. if it's a general Krita problem, bugs.kde.org. that's afaik
[02:10] <Jucato> if unsure, you can either file it in LP and wait for it to be pushed upstream if it's a general Krita bug, or file in both (which I did recently with Adept...)
[02:10] <claydoh> ty I'll look over there first
[02:11] <Jucato> of course, if you have time, you could also search to check if it hasn't been filed before :)
[02:14] <jdong> above being quite a bit above
[02:14] <jdong> "'m not too keen on doing SRU if they're not obviously necessary, it's quite time consuming"
[02:16] <claydoh> Jucato: i don't see it on LP, but the existing bug made me question the correct place to try
[02:16] <Jucato> yeah... I find reporting KDE bugs in Kubuntu to be quite tricky...
[02:20] <lotusleaf> Jucato: I'm rather fond of bug 62699
[02:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62699 in kdar "[edgy]  wrong dependencies in kdar" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62699
[02:20] <Jucato> :)
[02:20] <Jucato> that's a clear example of a Kubuntu-specific bug. :)
[02:20] <lotusleaf> :D
[02:21] <lotusleaf> it's a lovely one, too
[02:21] <claydoh> ahhh bugzilla just plain does not rock
[02:22] <Jucato> heh :)
[02:23] <Jucato> (for now)
[02:27] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: that's a example of "upstream doesnt build with later versions of related apps" bug
[02:28] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee: :)
[02:28] <Hobbsee> :P
[02:28] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee: did I mention I like burritos?
[02:28] <Hobbsee> no?
[02:28] <lotusleaf> ok, well, I do. (=
[02:29] <pinheiro> gnight guys
[02:29] <Jucato> night pinheiro! :)
[02:30] <pinheiro> btw http://pinheiro-kde.blogspot.com/2006/12/mery-xmas-from-oxygen.html
[02:30] <Hobbsee> night
[02:30] <pinheiro> night
[02:31] <Jucato> oh... (unrelated topic)... us.archive.ubuntu.com seem to be having some problems
[02:31] <Hobbsee> it is, yes
[02:31] <crimsun> poke it with the stick of doom or something.
[02:33] <Jucato> ah so it's a confirmed problem... thanks
[02:36] <jdong> doom! that reminds me
[02:36] <nixternal> t
[02:36] <nixternal> man it was funny, but oh so bad
[02:37] <Jucato> :)
[02:37] <Jucato> mind sharing it? hehe :P
[02:37] <nixternal> no, it could definitely offend
[02:37] <jdong> lol
[02:38] <lotusleaf> jdong: blood multiplayer rocks
[02:38] <jdong> is it any worse than the "Kim Jong-Il uses KDE in Ubuntu" quote I found on the forums?
[02:38] <Jucato> nixternal: btw, was the mockup for khelpcenter approved? I really like it. I was also wondering if I could use that sidebar instead and make the normal navigation panel disappear. :)
[02:39] <nixternal> no approval on that, that was just an idea
[02:40] <nixternal> you aren't replacing that side bar w/o hacking KHelpCenter big time
[02:40] <gnomefreak> yeah i liked it too if you mean that page :)
[02:40] <nixternal> KHelpCenter is hopefully getting chucked in KDE4, well at least that is what I was told from one of the KDE devs today
[02:41] <Jucato> nixternal: by replacing, I meant hiding the navigation panel. I thought that your sidebar was something that won't change
[02:42] <gnomefreak> this page is what i was talking about http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/stuff/doc/ktbh/
[02:42] <nixternal> don't know yet..that mock-up could take longer than 7.04 dev time
[02:42] <Jucato> gnomefreak: yep that one :)
[02:42] <nixternal> well, the kde devs said to take the html stuff and create a small c++ viewer implemented with khtml
[02:43] <nixternal> shoot, konqi does everything as it is, why not have it do help as well, that would be the easiest ;)
[02:43] <gnomefreak> nixternal: so it becomes an app instead of a site?
[02:43] <Jucato> it's very nice. and since the Search function in khelpcenter is barely useful in Kubuntu, I have no use for the navigation panel...
[02:44] <gnomefreak> example have a menu item for it like the spec on xubuntu help center and the ubuntu one that was out there for a while
[02:44] <nixternal> ya gnomefreak
[02:44] <gnomefreak> or have it show on boot :)
[02:46] <nixternal> at the same time, we really don't want to do something massive int he terms of a help setup w/o going upstream with it
[02:46] <nixternal> and with that, it would need big time kde support, and since they have an idea in the making for kde4..
[02:46] <nixternal> guess you could fill in the blank there
[02:47] <Jucato> they have plans for khelpcenter in kde4?
[02:47] <nixternal> tossing it
[02:47] <Jucato> ha! :)
[02:47] <nixternal> hopefully going with a better suited Topic Based Help setup
[02:47] <Jucato> (good)
[02:48] <gnomefreak> if you dont want to go upstream make it a kubuntu help[ center instead of a kde help center
[02:48] <nixternal> which is what the ubuntu doc team is currently working on
[02:48] <gnomefreak> might be more benifits with kubuntu help center instead of kde anyway
[02:49] <nixternal> well, that isn't up to me..but would definitely be a Riddell type of thing
[02:49] <nixternal> i think working close with the KDE guys is the best way though
[02:49] <robotgeek> ++
[02:49] <nixternal> try to remain as close to upstream with the DE as much as possible
[02:49] <Jucato> +1
[02:49] <Jucato> :)
[02:49] <gnomefreak> i agree but we dont really ship kde. i mean we do but most users other than power users grab -desktop
[02:50] <Jucato> everyone could benefit from a new help center
[02:50] <nixternal> when they grab -desktop they are getting the kit-and-kaboodle (wth is kit-and-kaboodle anyways?)
[02:50] <Jucato> although a better search function in the help center is also be needed
[02:50] <gnomefreak> or make one for kde and add things to it to add to kubuntu for kubuntu
[02:50] <nixternal> heh, KHelpCenter search is horrid, unless you want to search man pages
[02:51] <gnomefreak> i hate man pages
[02:51] <Jucato> :P
[02:51] <nixternal> gnomefreak: that is what would work, have a KDE help center that we could add to more than just documentation
[02:51] <Jucato> we don't install htdig by default, so the Applications index could not be built
[02:51] <gnomefreak> i can read them fine but i have to try to explain it to new users
[02:51] <nixternal> as it stands, you really can't add or implement with KHelpCenter w/o massively changing it
[02:51] <gnomefreak> correct
[02:51] <Jucato> sad... but true
[02:51] <gnomefreak> nixternal: but its a great outline/mock up
[02:52] <nixternal> and in order for it to read our documentation, it is nothing but nasty hacks
[02:52] <nixternal> thanks gnomefreak, a lot of people have actually expressed interest in it, i.e., the kde devs for one
[02:52] <Jucato> nice job nixternal! :)
[02:52] <nixternal> that was pretty cool, and actually they were like turn that in to C++, and I chuckled
[02:52] <nixternal> i was like you turn it into C++
[02:53] <gnomefreak> lol
[02:53] <nixternal> obviously my contributions are mainly documentation for a reason ;)
[02:53] <Jucato> or... have someone help you do it :)
[02:53] <gnomefreak> im looking for bugs in a C app and i cant remember C nor CC++
[02:53] <gnomefreak> -c
[02:53] <nixternal> however, i have always enjoyed tech-writing for some odd reason
[02:53] <nixternal> i can't even remember basic, let alone c
[02:54] <Jucato> brb.. quick breakfast
[02:54] <nixternal> ya, i need dinner myself
[02:54] <Jucato> :)
[02:54] <nixternal> at least some food
[02:54] <gnomefreak> i remember if  else void(sort of) return() but thats about it oh and ifelse :)
[02:54] <Jucato> anyway nixternal, I really like that help center idea and mockup :)
[02:54] <Jucato> for (;;)
[02:54] <Jucato> :P
[02:54] <nixternal> thanks, maybe we can hack it together eventually
[02:54] <nixternal> heh
[02:54] <Jucato> heh... there's a reason I'm not into packaging yet
[02:55] <Jucato> same reason you're contributions are mainly docs :P
[02:55] <Jucato> ok I'm really hungry now brb
[02:55] <nixternal> i do packaging too now..i can multitask
[02:55] <nixternal> ;)
[02:55] <Hobbsee> gah.  murphy's law is very accurate!
[02:56] <nixternal> hehe
[02:56] <nixternal> Hobbsee: i am the exact same
[02:57] <nixternal> i know enough where i can read it and understand some of it, but don't ask me to hack it
[02:57] <Hobbsee> lol
[02:57] <nixternal> well, i can hack it, but don't expect it to work
[02:58] <nixternal> got my first tux issue today...haven't gotten a chance to read it
[02:59] <nixternal> http://www.spidertools.com/ubuntu_training.php
[02:59] <jdong> nixternal: when I hack code, it usually gives developers (1) a hysterical amount of entertainment or (2) a heart attack
[02:59] <nixternal> neat, ubuntu server course
[02:59] <nixternal> jdong: same here
[02:59] <nixternal> oh wait (3) anger and resentment towards $me
[03:00] <Hobbsee> nixternal: same here.  well, first from the subscription, anyway
[03:00] <nixternal> ya, where is my magazine
[03:00] <nixternal> they are late, or this is early
[03:00] <jdong> nixternal: it's in a 20MB PDF in that huge hairy URL :)
[03:00] <Hobbsee> the hyperlink in the email?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:01] <nixternal> i download it into my TUX folder, and then just read it later, but i don't like the "presentation" mode they try to force on ya
[03:01] <jdong> likewise, it's irritating
[03:03] <Hobbsee> you can hit escape
[03:03] <nixternal> hehe
[03:03] <nixternal> really? ;p
[03:04] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:04] <Hobbsee> to make it go back to normal
[03:04] <nixternal> ya, i hit escape to get out of it, and it went to normal earlier, i was like, ahhhhh
[03:04] <nixternal> but when i did it, i was expecting it to totally close out
[04:15] <lotusleaf> cool, errors updating koffice
[04:16] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: which koffice?
[04:17] <robotgeek> hmm, yesterday i had errors installing kde-core on dapper, possibly due to security and kde-3.5.5, i am not sure
[04:17] <lotusleaf> oh, darn it, it's not an error after all =(
[04:17] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee: latest posted at top on kubuntu.org
[04:18] <lotusleaf> I thought it was an error but one package hadn't installed because of a time out or something
[04:18] <nixternal> where is the us.archives server located? it needs its arse kicked
[04:18] <nixternal> been down for a day now
[04:18] <Jucato> nixternal: yeah, lot of questions about that a while ago
[04:18] <Jucato> tried to make them switch temporarily to some other server
[04:21] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: can you pastebin them please?
[04:21] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: heh
[04:22] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee: ya, I was about to, but sadly, my excitement was rained upon by my own stupidity ;)
[04:22] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:22] <lotusleaf> no errors, it works!
[04:22] <lotusleaf> happy dance ensues
[04:22] <Hobbsee> yay!
[04:44] <jjesse> why are we doing th ehappy dance?
[04:49] <lotusleaf> jjesse: why not? :)
[04:49] <lotusleaf> jjesse: using kubuntu should be reason enough! :)
[04:51] <jjesse> grin sure is, but Hobbsee was doing it for a special reason?
[04:51] <Hobbsee> jjesse: because lotusleaf got koffice to work, with no errors
[04:52] <jjesse> yay
[04:52] <Jucato> now you're doing the dance, too. :)
[04:52] <jjesse> boy i hate working at a place that blocks irc :(  i miss chatting w/ all my kubuntu friends
[04:53] <Jucato> jjesse: have you tried CGI-IRC?
[04:53] <jjesse> no i haven't, how/were do i go for it?
[04:53] <Jucato> http://cgiirc.sourceforge.net/
[04:53] <Jucato> err.. hold on...
[04:54] <Jucato> sorry... I need to get the proper link... darn...
[04:54] <Jucato> I had that link a few weeks ago :(
[04:54] <jjesse> Jucato : if you find it mind if you email it to me?
[04:55] <Jucato> jjesse: once I find it again, I will
[04:59] <jjesse> Jucato: thanks
[04:59] <jjesse> sorry half asleep here :)
[05:00] <Jucato> jjesse: this is the one: http://www.ircatwork.com/
[05:00] <Jucato> seems to be also based on CGI:IRC :)
[05:01] <jjesse> cool have to try that at work
[05:02] <Jucato> :)
[05:21] <Jucato> oh?
[05:21] <Jucato> what version is it now?
[05:23] <Hobbsee> 1.0 rc1
[05:24] <Jucato> ah
[05:43] <Hobbsee> doen
[05:43] <Hobbsee> *done
[05:44] <Hobbsee> awaiting approval
[05:51] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: what version number did you pick?
[05:51] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: Version: 0.99+1.0rc1-0ubuntu1
[05:52] <ajmitch> ugly but it works
[05:52] <Hobbsee> true.  the original was similar
[05:52] <ajmitch> rather annoying
[05:54] <Hobbsee> ocuh
[05:54] <Hobbsee> yes
[11:41] <\sh> moins
[12:06] <Riddell> hi \sh baby
[12:07] <Jucato> hi Riddell. how was your vacation?
[12:08] <Riddell> groovy
[12:08] <Jucato> nice :)
[12:08] <Jucato> now you're recharged and ready to work again. hehehe :)
[12:09] <Riddell> straight into testing Herd CDs
[12:09] <Riddell> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20061204/ if anyone wants to join in
[12:10] <Jucato> oh cool it was finally fixed
[12:10] <Jucato> btw, Riddell, you're an editor in the Dot right?
[12:11] <Riddell> I amm yes
[12:11] <Riddell> what was fixed?
[12:11] <Jucato> latest article has some link errors
[12:11] <Riddell> I've no idea if anything has been fixed, I've not tested the CDs yet
[12:11] <Jucato> ah that, no herd 1 cd's a few days ago
[12:12] <Riddell> commit digest story?
[12:12] <Jucato> yep
[12:12] <Jucato> http://dot.kde.org/1165180284/
[12:12] <Riddell> what needs fixed?
[12:13] <Jucato> link for KGeography and Kross
[12:14] <Jucato> KGeography link points to the KVocTrain page, and Kross link points to a non-existing page
[12:15] <Riddell> fixed, thanks
[12:15] <Jucato> glad to help :)
[12:16] <Riddell> if you feel like helping more there's a story to submit :)
[12:18] <Jucato> heh. I think I need to take a bit of a break from writing this week. :)
[12:31] <Riddell> morning Hobbsee
[12:31] <Riddell> Hobbsee: should we have a meeting sometime this week?
[12:31] <Riddell> we've not had a kubuntu meeting in ages
[12:37] <Riddell> hi Hobbsee
[12:39] <Hobbsee_> hey Riddell!  i'm away until saturday this week, sorry
[12:40] <Hobbsee_> family funeral :(
[12:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: however, that does sound like a good idea, if we've got stuff to discuss
[12:42] <Hobbsee> Riddell: unless you wanted to call one in the next... <14 hours or so
[12:47] <Riddell> I don't have anything specific to discuss
[12:49] <Tonio_> hey ;)
[12:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[12:51] <Riddell> Tonio_!
[12:52] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_!
[12:53] <Tonio_> hi Riddell, Hobbsee
[12:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: how was your vacation ?
[12:53] <Tonio_> had time to find Luka ?
[12:54] <Riddell> didn't get to find luka, but found a bunch of other Ubuntu people
[12:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe cool :)
[12:56] <Riddell> Tonio_: did you need something?  I'm about to reboot to install Herd CDs
[12:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: now back to work....
[12:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: no issues concerning herd, but I want to talk you about the bunch of qt issues....
[12:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is not possible to build any python based package, since checkpyqt fails
[12:58] <Tonio_> that's why guidance isn't installed at the moment, and that's due to your latest pyqt upload
[12:58] <freeflying_> Riddell: have you remove the gcc patch from qt?
[12:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: even using the existing guidance packages, all modules are failing
[12:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: and second point, special keys are broken on feisty, which is due to qt-X11-free package.... I'm trying to fix this
[12:59] <Tonio_> ^e^e^e e^i -> works on gtk apps but not on qt ones
[12:59] <Riddell> freeflying_: no, I'll do that after Herd CDs are out
[01:00] <Riddell> if pykde is broken does this mean ubiquity will be broken?
[01:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning checkpyqt, I haven't been able to find out where is that script....
[01:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: probably yes, unfortunately
[01:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: but the issue is probably pyqt, not pykde
[01:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning qt-x11-free I'll try to sync with debian, this is the way I fixed the same error on edgy
[01:02] <Tonio_> we should miss a patch probably
[01:07] <Riddell> what do you mean by special keys?
[01:08] <Tonio_> ^e ->
[01:08] <Tonio_> they don't work in all qt apps....
[01:08] <Tonio_> no issues for english keyboard of course :)
[01:08] <Riddell> but they work in non-qt apps?
[01:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, that's why I think about the qt-x11-free package
[01:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: we had the same issue during the edgy cycle and I fixed this by synching with debian on that package
[01:09] <Tonio_> I'll try the same fix today
[01:10] <Tonio_> probably just rebuild might also fix eventually...
[01:10] <Tonio_> no issues in firefox for example
[01:10] <Tonio_> OOo works too
[01:11] <Tonio_> I have to go for an our (interview for a job)
[01:11] <Tonio_> brb
[01:11] <Riddell> good luck
[01:11] <sebas> Tonio_: Can you give me a list of icons that are superflouus in powermanager, and those that are missing?
[01:12] <sebas> I think it's broken right now?
[01:12] <sebas> wb Riddell
[01:12] <Riddell> hi sebas
[01:13] <sebas> How was the week off?
[01:18] <Hobbsee> sebas: out of curiousity, when will we get a new upstream for kde-guidance?  it'd be cool to get the original guidance-p-m message to hide, and the display module to load again, at least
[01:20] <Riddell> sebas: nice, thanks
[01:20] <Tonio_> sebas: just a minutes
[01:20] <Tonio_> sebas: can you receive dcc ?
[01:20] <Tonio_> sebas: all "80%" icons are missing
[01:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73912 in python-qt3 "[Feisty]  qt module is busted" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[01:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what are you pondering?
[01:21] <Tonio_> sebas: my computer is to be repared and I forgot to make a backup of this package.... I'll send you the missing icons tomorrow or wednesday
[01:22] <Riddell> Hobbsee: how the heck to fix it!
[01:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: heh.  well, you could revert to edgy version if you wanted, as a temporary work around for the cds.  but that's not a permanent fix
[01:23] <sebas> Tonio_: Thanks!
[01:23] <Tonio_> sebas: you're welcome
[01:24] <Tonio_> leaving now !
[01:24] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I don't have any way of doing that
[01:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh yeah, good point
[01:31] <\sh> Riddell: I'll have a quick look on it
[01:34] <Riddell> \sh: some conversation in #ubuntu-devel
[01:49] <\sh> Riddell: that's really strange...who is setting the default values for our build envs?
[01:49] <\sh> and where
[01:50] <Riddell> \sh: it must be sip
[01:50] <Riddell> sip has a makefile generator thingy
[01:50] <Riddell> and I think sip gets it from qmake
[01:50] <Riddell> hi kwwii
[01:53] <raphink> hmmm
[01:53] <raphink> is there a new format for .ssh/known_hosts?
[01:53] <raphink> the name of the machines doesn't appear anymore in the beginning of the lines
[01:53] <\sh> Riddell: but sip doesn't define any -fvisibility=hidden
[01:53] <raphink> but it's used for autocompletion with ssh
[01:54] <Riddell> raphink: md5 hashing host names has been turned on for some time
[01:55] <Riddell> raphink: the worry is that someone might break into your machine then be able to see all the other machines that might use the same key/password
[01:55] <raphink> hmmm
[01:55] <raphink> well
[01:55] <\sh> Riddell: sorry..it declares a qmake spec file where -fvisibility-inlines-hidden is set
[01:55] <raphink> .ssh is supposed to be 700
[01:55] <raphink> and people who use ssh are supposed to know what they do
[01:56] <raphink> and turn off password login and root login
[01:56] <raphink> and use keys
[01:56] <raphink> I mean
[01:56] <raphink> I get the point
[01:56] <raphink> but I don't really agree
[01:56] <raphink> ;)
[01:56] <raphink> on the other hand
[01:57] <raphink> if we began with putting a 750 or 700 on the home directories, it might be a good start :)
[01:57] <raphink> aswell as trying to get people to stop recommending to enter a root password
[01:57] <raphink> ;)
[01:57] <Riddell> \sh: I'm going to just compile qt without visibility, let me know if you work out how to change it from just sip
[01:58] <raphink> I think security is about educating people when it comes to such things :)
[01:58] <Riddell> raphink: 700 doesn't make any difference if I manage to brute force guess your password and log in as you
[01:58] <Riddell> which isn't hard to do in most cases
[01:58] <raphink> Riddell: if people began to stop using the root account and use keys for ssh login
[01:59] <raphink> that wouldn't happen
[01:59] <raphink> there are safe network technologies that are not hard to use
[01:59] <Riddell> I can't use keys for login everywhere, I need to be able to get to my e-mail from random machines
[01:59] <raphink> hmmm
[01:59] <Riddell> yes, like hashing the hostnames of machines you've logged in to :)
[02:00] <raphink> well about the key, you could keep it in your pocket
[02:00] <raphink> even if someone found the key, found out that there's a hidden public key on it, probably encrypted with a gpg key on the same usb key
[02:00] <raphink> and found out the code of both the gpg and ssh key
[02:01] <raphink> ...
[02:01] <raphink> well
[02:01] <raphink> anyway
[02:01] <raphink> lol
[02:01] <Riddell> mindterm doesn't accept ssh keys as far as I know
[02:01] <raphink> ok for hashing the hostnames... but then the ssh bash_completion will have to be redone
[02:02] <raphink> I don't know mindterm...
[02:02] <raphink> let's see
[02:02] <raphink> a freeware java ssh client
[02:02] <raphink> hmm...
[02:03] <raphink> I don't know that I adapt my coding to java freeware :)
[02:04] <raphink> is there another way we can get a list of machines to ssh to?
[02:04] <raphink> cause when you work as a sysadmin, hostname completion with ssh is something you really enjoy when there's a problem on your platform at 4AM
[02:04] <raphink> and several of my colleagues have complained of this lack in Ubuntu
[02:05] <Riddell> I can't think of any other way, I just keep a bunch of bash aliases
[02:05] <raphink> not having this, I end up with bookmarks in konsole
[02:05] <raphink> which is worse
[02:06] <raphink> restricting security by removing info often leads people to write the info somewhere else
[02:06] <raphink> if you try to give them a new password for each service every week
[02:06] <raphink> they're going to write all the passwords on post-its on their screen
[02:06] <raphink> which is worse than given them one good password
[02:07] <raphink> I guess these are just different approaches
[02:10] <kwwii> Riddell: howdy...how was your vacation?
[02:10] <Riddell> groovy thanks
[02:11] <gnomefreak> who is the person to speak to about adept?
[02:11] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: mornfall
[02:11] <raphink> but he's not here
[02:11] <gnomefreak> isnt he upstream?
[02:12] <Hobbsee> yes
[02:12] <gnomefreak> ok if i see him ill ping him about it
[02:12] <raphink> about what?
[02:12] <gnomefreak> if its gonna stay we need to add features like complete removal and dist-upgrade
[02:19] <Jucato> gnomefreak: adept uses dist-upgrade when you use Full Upgrade, afaik (if that's what you meant by dist-upgrade)
[02:19] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: complete removal == purge
[02:19] <gnomefreak> dist-upgrade from like dapper > edgy
[02:19] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: its not the same i was told
[02:19] <gnomefreak> it doesnt remove depends
[02:20] <Jucato> it does. but in a rather "weird" way
[02:20] <gnomefreak> like synaptic does for complete removal
[02:20] <Riddell> autoremove
[02:21] <Riddell> it wouldn't be hard to add, but I don't know how
[02:21] <Hobbsee> oh right
[02:21] <Riddell> however I don't know if mornfall is wanting to work on adept at the moment
[02:21] <Jucato> :(
[02:22] <Jucato> gnomefreak: adept's weird behavior regarding purging is that it only allows you to mark one package to be purged. If other packages will be marked to be removed because of that one package, you can't mark them to be purged as well, unlike in Synaptic
[02:23] <Riddell> that's not weird, it's how apt has always done it
[02:23] <Riddell> it just doesn't support autoremove yet
[02:23] <Jucato> ah... how does Synaptic do it?
[02:24] <gnomefreak> i would have to look for the bug on it but the person wants an aptitude like feature and someone lastweek said its not the same
[02:25] <Riddell> synaptic passes the "please use autoremove" option to apt, it wouldn't be hard to do it in adept for someone who knew libept and adept code
[02:26] <gnomefreak> ah it was fdovin^g and he said it doesnt autoremove packages and that is what the user is looking for
[02:26] <Jucato> ah...
[02:26] <gnomefreak> https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/74045
[02:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74045 in adept "WISHLIST: aptitude-like behaviour for Adept" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]
[02:58] <Riddell> freeflying: ok, qt uploaded without gcc visibility patch
[03:08] <\sh> Riddell: the easiest thing is to remove those flags from the specs of sip for qmail
[03:08] <\sh> s/qmail/qmake/
[03:09] <\sh> I'll prepare a patch for sip
[03:10] <jjesse> good morning :)
[03:10] <Riddell> morning jjesse
[03:10] <Hobbsee> hey jjesse!
[03:11] <Hobbsee> jjesse: you found a way to log in from work - yay!
[03:11] <jjesse> hiya Hobbsee using that ircatwork that Jucato told me about
[03:11] <Hobbsee> jjesse: yes, i can see from your hostname :)
[03:11] <Jucato> hi jjesse! :)
[03:11] <Jucato> working nicely?
[03:11] <jjesse> grin thanks
[03:11] <jjesse> yes it is
[03:11] <Jucato> hope it doesn't get you into trouble at work :D
[03:11] <jjesse> me too, i won't spend too much time, i'll login and off :)
[03:14] <Hobbsee> jjesse: i wonder if screen works
[03:14] <jjesse> screen?
[03:15] <Hobbsee> jjesse: you dont know about screen?
[03:15] <Hobbsee> jjesse: ie, attach screen, detach screen, all of that
[03:15] <jjesse> d'oh sorry still haven't finished my coffee
[03:15] <jjesse> yeah i do, wasn't think straight
[03:15] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:17] <jjesse> hmm ok i'll be on and off all day, talk to you later :)
[03:19] <Roey> hehehe
[03:24] <Tonio_> re
[03:24] <Tonio_> I refused the job.....
[03:24] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: why?
[03:24] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: 6 month contract for win 2000 arch to win 2003 migration
[03:24] <Hobbsee> ugh
[03:25] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: done that 10 times already and I don't want a job that will not learn me anything
[03:25] <Hobbsee> yep
[03:25] <Tonio_> and the salary was bad
[03:25] <Hobbsee> teach you anything, you mean
[03:25] <Tonio_> the only interesting point was deploying "sharepoint" which I don't know, but that's a 1 week job only
[03:25] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:25] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yeah teach me, sorry
[03:25] <Hobbsee> :0
[03:25] <Hobbsee> * :)
[03:26] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: sorry...i've been to work
[03:26] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: ;)
[03:26] <Hobbsee> there's a bottle there that says "please dont loose me" - enough said, really.
[03:26] <Tonio_> I have a perfect job but 1h30 ride from home....
[03:26] <Tonio_> they expect in that order :
[03:26] <Tonio_> - great linux experience
[03:26] <Tonio_> - Win 2003 good experience
[03:27] <Tonio_> - web devel experience
[03:27] <Tonio_> that's EXACTLY my cv
[03:27] <Tonio_> but that's far.......... 3 hours a day to go work and come back....
[03:28] <\sh> Tonio_: it's near...here in germany you have to be able to spend 6 hours for driving back and from work
[03:29] <Tonio_> \sh: yeah I know it isn't that much, but I never had less than 1h30 in my life (last 8 years) to go work.....
[03:29] <Tonio_> \sh: I'd like to change that a bit in fact
[03:30] <Tonio_> I mean how can I improve and study docs for example if I spend my life in a car....
[03:30] <Tonio_> \sh: but yeah I know that's the way it comes in most europe now....
[03:36] <Riddell> time to listen to podcasts
[03:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm working on qt-x11-free
[03:40] <Riddell> Tonio_: note I just uploaded a new version
[03:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay I'll test and give you feedback
[03:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have a few offline stuff to upload but I currently miss my gpg key, as my laptop got back to sony to be repaired.... will have to wait a bit for upload
[03:43] <Riddell> Tonio_: feel free to send them to me for upload
[03:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: they are on the laptop hehe !)
[03:44] <Riddell> oh, oops
[03:44] <Tonio_> the motherboard died and I couldn't open it to get the warranty to work
[03:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: you uploaded qt-x11-free or other qt packages ?
[03:45] <Riddell> qt-x11-free, pyqt3 and pykde
[03:45] <Tonio_> great (I couldn't see it yet on launchpad)
[03:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: ho and concerning kdebindings, the issue is also due to qt....
[03:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: I tried to build without java support, but then it also fails on building kalyptus etc....
[03:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: same error -> unable to find class qauserver
[03:50] <Tonio_> I hope last upload will also fix this
[03:51] <bddebian> Heya
[03:52] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[03:52] <Tonio_> yo bddebian
[03:53] <bddebian> Hi Jucato, Tonio_
[03:53] <fabo> Riddell, Tonio_ : you use kderc. if i want to use and other default artwork dir, i must overwrite kderc ?
[03:53] <fabo> s/and/an
[03:54] <Tonio_> fabo: I think yes, indeed
[03:56] <klerfayt> this is not there you can discuss artwork?
[03:56] <fabo> Tonio_: as we can create several profile, i wonder if there isn't any tool to select the profile to use
[03:57] <Tonio_> fabo: hum dunno on that point, I don't play with profiles so.... :)
[03:58] <Jucato> klerfayt: #ubuntu-artwork
[03:59] <fabo> Tonio_: kioskadmintool let you create several profiles, but how can i select the default i want without breaking the others ... that's the question
[03:59] <Tonio_> fabo: bah if you can't select manually the kderc file to use, I'm affraid that'll be overwriten, indeed....
[04:01] <fabo> strange
[04:01] <Riddell> Jucato: kubuntu artwork is fine here too
[04:02] <Riddell> fabo: yes, or remove kubuntu-default-settings
[04:02] <Jucato> Riddell: ah :)
[04:03] <fabo> Riddell: i can use alternatives, but kioskadmintool write on kderc ...
[04:06] <Riddell> fabo: it should preseve what's alreay there
[04:06] <Riddell> or do you mean it installs a kderc filer?
[04:06] <Riddell> file
[04:07] <fabo> yes it preserves the file, and append changes
[04:27] <klerfayt> have you considered to get icon set different than crystalsvg for Feisty Fawn?
[04:28] <Riddell> klerfayt: nope
[04:28] <Riddell> klerfayt: for the most part we want to keep close to the native KDE style
[04:29] <klerfayt> why is that?
[04:31] <\sh> Riddell: I patches sip to remove those compiler flags (-fvisibility=hidden and -fvisibility-inlines-hidden) should I upload or do you want to test it first...right now I'm too busy to test it with a new compile of python-qt3
[04:32] <Riddell> \sh: could you e-mail me the patch please<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:32] <Riddell> klerfayt: because we like KDE's artwork and we like to stay close to KDE unless there's a good reason not to
[04:32] <\sh> sure
[04:32] <klerfayt> I read that Feisty Fawn will include beryl - does it apply to kubuntu also?
[04:33] <Riddell> no, that sort of thing will have to wait until KDE 4
[04:33] <Riddell> although it'll be easy to install
[04:34] <klerfayt> what if beryl suddenly becomes integrated very well into kde? :D
[04:35] <\sh> Riddell: send
[04:35] <Riddell> if it started to use qt instead of gtk we'd consider it yes
[04:37] <klerfayt> iirc then suse played system sounds even then arts was not running - can you please do similar thing with system sounds in Feisty Fawn?
[04:40] <Riddell> I'm not very minded to patch out arts, it seems like a hard patch to maintain, but if someone wants to investigate it they'd be welcome to
[04:41] <\sh> Riddell: I think you have to revert your qt patch ;)
[04:45] <\sh> Riddell: and btw..could you have a look into https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/arts/+bug/55973 if the patch can be applied to our arts? :)
[04:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55973 in arts "Patch for crash with message "can't create MCOP directory"" [Unknown,Confirmed]
[04:48] <Riddell> \sh: which qt patch?
[04:52] <\sh> Riddell: this removing of the visibility flag
[04:52] <\sh> I really think it was the qmake spec file of sip
[04:53] <Riddell> \sh: ok, but we need to work out if we can get scim working with the visibility thing too
[04:53] <\sh> Riddell: oh no...not again scim :(
[04:53] <Riddell> mm hmm
[04:58] <\sh> ok...need to rush..
[05:03] <nixternal> hidey ho neighbors
[05:03] <jjesse> hello :)
[05:03] <nixternal> hiya jjesse
[05:03] <nixternal> noticed you did some work on the switching guide...maybe i should do some as well ;)
[05:03] <jjesse> hiya just checking in w/ ircatwork
[05:04] <nixternal> hehe
[05:04] <nixternal> you should setup irssi at home and ssh into it and use it
[05:04] <jjesse> yeah i did a lot of document work this weeked
[05:04] <nixternal> i noticed
[05:04] <nixternal> all i did was create a mock-up of a KHelpCenter front page for the Topic Based Help
[05:04] <nixternal> http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/stuff/doc/ktbh
[05:05] <jjesse> i like that a lot
[05:05] <nixternal> thanks...just need to figure out where to go with it, and how to go about doing it
[05:06] <jjesse> agreed
[05:06] <nixternal> i talked to Phil Rodriguez and frierc? of KDE yesterday and they both liked the idea of having a similar help setup for KDE
[05:07] <jjesse> cool, i need to get the adept stuff started upstream
[05:07] <nixternal> so maybe we will see an improved KHelpCenter in KDE4 that will allow us to add and implement as needed
[05:07] <jjesse> so hopefully that comes soon
[05:07] <nixternal> only thing I have done lately for upstream is the katapult handbook
[05:08] <jjesse> ah
[05:08] <jjesse> i'm working on adept and also on keep
[05:08] <nixternal> nice..i need to do more upstream myself
[05:09] <jjesse> i just brought a debian box and installed kde on it so i can look at things
[05:09] <nixternal> cool
[05:10] <jjesse> ok need to sign off here for abit
[05:10] <jjesse> don't want to casue too many problems
[05:10] <nixternal> ttyl
[05:10] <nixternal> hehe
[05:10] <Riddell> fdoving: I've uploaded your adept change, thanks
[05:10] <nixternal> hiya Riddell! how is your holiday so far?
[05:11] <Riddell> fdoving: you shouldn't include Makefile.in changes in patches (they will be in the big .diff after you run buildprep) and I included the filename of the patch in the changelog
[05:11] <Riddell> nixternal: all over
[05:12] <nixternal> ahh, i thought you were out for a couple of weeks
[05:12] <Riddell> nah, although I have some days off next week (until the end of the year actually)
[05:12] <nixternal> nice
[05:42] <seele> Riddell: how was your holiday?
[05:42] <seele> ah, someone already asked, hehe
[05:42] <nixternal> hehe
[05:42] <Jucato> moin seele
[05:43] <seele> morning
[05:43] <seele> (almost noon here)
[05:43] <Riddell> seele: lots of people have asked, thanks :)
[05:43] <nixternal> hiya seele, so how is DC doing on this fine Monday?
[05:43] <pinheiro> Riddell: hey
[05:43] <seele> nixternal: blustery (i wonder if that is a real word or just used in winnie the pooh)
[05:43] <nixternal> hehe
[05:44] <nixternal> i miss living in DC so bad
[05:44] <seele> where do you live now?
[05:44] <nixternal> Chicago
[05:44] <seele> bummer.. i need more friends in DC :)
[05:44] <nixternal> i used to be stationed in southern maryland
[05:44] <fdoving> Riddell: ok roger that. kopete sru is accepted and available in -proposed.
[05:44] <seele> nice.. i live in Gaithersburg
[05:44] <nixternal> cool
[05:45] <nixternal> my x-wife and daughter live in California, MD (had to specify the MD there)
[05:45] <seele> haha, yeah
[05:45] <Riddell> fdoving: when did it get into proposed?
[05:46] <fdoving> Riddell: today. ~4-5 hours ago.
[05:47] <Riddell> great
[05:48] <Riddell> I wonder if katapult got into proposed
[05:48] <fdoving> what's the version number of the fix?
[05:50] <pinheiro> Riddell: could you not use my gmail acount it dosent work often
[05:50] <Riddell> pinheiro: then you need to update the KDE accounts file
[05:51] <pinheiro> were is it?
[05:51] <Riddell> /trunk/KDE/kde-common/accounts
[05:52] <pinheiro> shhh a parto of svn i dont have :P
[05:52] <pinheiro> part
[05:53] <pinheiro> i will downlod it now
[05:53] <Riddell> Lure: dobra dan
[05:54] <Lure> Riddell: almost "dobar dan" (in Croatian) or "dober dan" (in Slovene) ;-)
[05:55] <Lure> Riddell: was vacation good?
[05:55] <Riddell> it was, hrvala
[05:58] <Riddell> Lure: do you know if anyone has uploaded kdebase to edgy-updates?
[05:58] <Lure> Riddell: I do not think so (but I did not follow closely) - at least I did not get new copy
[05:59] <Lure> Riddell: apt-cache only mentions edgy-main and edgy-proposed version
[06:00] <Riddell> I'll upload to -updates
[06:00] <Riddell> is imbrandon still alive?
[06:00] <fdoving> was yesterday.. iirc.
[06:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: imbrandon got a new job and therefore isn't there during the day anymore
[06:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: he'll probably be there at about 2am
[06:01] <Tonio_> 2am gmt+1
[06:01] <Riddell> oh, bummer, was handy having him around at european times
[06:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah I know....
[06:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: good point is that my vaio should be there on wednesday, it'll not take long for me to upload again....
[06:02] <Tonio_> sony just called me
[06:02] <Riddell> yay
[06:03] <kwwii> Riddell: is there a reason for changing all the artwork specs to low priority or was it just to give them some priority at first?
[06:04] <Riddell> kwwii: it's just to give them a priority rather than None
[06:05] <kwwii> cool
[06:06] <pinheiro> just changed it
[06:06] <mhb> hi all
[06:06] <pinheiro> hi mhb
[06:06] <kwwii> hi mhb
[06:08] <mhb> Tonio_: you're practically the guy responsible for the Kubuntu multimedia simplification, right?
[06:09] <Tonio_> mhb: yes
[06:09] <Tonio_> mhb: just a couple of uploads and the implementation will be done, hopefully
[06:09] <Tonio_> a few seeds modifications required too
[06:09] <mhb> Tonio_: I wondered the other day if you're gonna make track ripping as easy as it is on Edgy with Kaffeine
[06:10] <fdoving> is there some way to get view the current sycoca.. values of all config variables?
[06:10] <Tonio_> mhb: yes, done already, using k3b
[06:10] <mhb> Tonio_: but you cannot call that from amarok, or can you?
[06:10] <Tonio_> mhb: the advantage of k3b is that it supports more formats than kaffeine
[06:10] <Tonio_> mhb: nope since amarok requires scripts + multiverse stuff
[06:11] <Tonio_> mhb: the idea is currently to patch k3b for correct kdesktop integration
[06:11] <Tonio_> so that you can choose "extract using k3B" when you insert an audio cd
[06:11] <mhb> Tonio_: too bad
[06:11] <Tonio_> why ?
[06:12] <mhb> Tonio_: well, it's just my own personal experience, but what I liked on playing CDs with Kaffeine was the fact I can listen to them and then easily select tracks to rip etc
[06:12] <Tonio_> mhb: k3b is the only software that allows both good performances and multiple formats support
[06:12] <mhb> Tonio_: it's not that I disagree with k3b
[06:12] <Tonio_> mhb: bah you still can use kaffeine too, but that's ogg only
[06:12] <mhb> Tonio_: I just liked the integration of playing&ripping
[06:13] <Tonio_> mhb: the choice of k3b is a technical one, just that it's the best app to do that
[06:13] <mhb> Tonio_: that I understand
[06:13] <Tonio_> if kaffeine was able to rip in several formats without beeing compiled with lame for example, I'd do that, but that's not possible yet
[06:14] <Tonio_> and since kaffeine is in main, we cannot compile with multiverse stuff....
[06:14] <Tonio_> same with amarok btw
[06:14] <Tonio_> and kaudiocreator is slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow !
[06:14] <mhb> Tonio_: that's not my point
[06:14] <Tonio_> so k3b is the choice
[06:14] <mhb> Tonio_: I'm fine with k3b
[06:15] <Tonio_> yeah I understand your point, you'd like the play&rip to be the same app, which makes sense
[06:15] <Tonio_> I'll do that if it were possible.... maybe one day :)
[06:15] <Riddell> fdoving: will you take on getting testers and approval for upload to -updates from sfllaw?
[06:15] <Tonio_> mhb: the good point is that it'll be the same app with kde4 afaik
[06:16] <mhb> Tonio_: can't you/we/someone else make a script for amarok that enables ripping the selected track with k3b?
[06:16] <Tonio_> mhb: hum, should be possible indeed, since it is just a matter of calling a desktop file
[06:17] <Tonio_> we can think about a script that calls k3b via the context menu, indeed, that's a nice idae
[06:17] <Tonio_> s/idae/idea
[06:17] <fdoving> Riddell: I'm working on that now. sfllaw is notified. both irc and mail :)
[06:18] <Tonio_> mhb: I'll try something like this toonight, and feedback tomorrow okay ?
[06:19] <mhb> Tonio_: sure
[06:19] <mhb> Tonio_: thanks
[06:19] <Riddell> fdoving: thanks
[06:19] <Tonio_> mhb: your servant :)
[06:20] <mhb> Tonio_: I'm actually happy one of my ideas is not that bad :o) poke me when you have something ready, I'll be more than happy to test it
[06:20] <Tonio_> mhb: sure ;)
[06:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=40125&PHPSESSID=b9ce845638372ec80172adab13060728
[06:20] <fdoving> Riddell: do you know how testers should repport success? comments to the bugreport?
[06:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: we miss that package !
[06:20] <mhb> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=40125&PHPSESSID=b9ce845638372ec80172adab13060728
[06:21] <mhb> sry
[06:21] <mhb> .o)
[06:21] <mhb> bad copy, bad copy .o)
[06:21] <Riddell> fdoving: yes, comment on bug report
[06:21] <Tonio_> hum, added to "to package list"
[06:22] <Riddell> Tonio_: looks like a multiverse job but
[06:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah I know, but we don't have any good video app, when gnome has kino...
[06:24] <Riddell> oh, we still want it of course :)
[06:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll patch the "install flash" patch for konqueror, launching a script that install the debian package
[06:25] <Tonio_> probably tomorrow since I'm finishing the multimedia spec toonight
[06:26] <Riddell> installs which debian package?
[06:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: flashplayer
[06:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: the current patch installs it from adobe website, which is an issue for updates
[06:28] <Riddell> isn't that all the debian package does?
[06:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll probably use the same script than the amarok mp3 one
[06:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, but they allow updates
[06:28] <Tonio_> the current konqueror patch install from adobe once, and that's it....
[06:28] <Tonio_> it works of course, but isn't very convenient for dist-upgrades
[06:29] <fdoving> anyone up for testing the kopete package in edgy-proposed? ICQ account is needed. package is available from http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kopete/kopete_3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu2.1_i386.deb comments success/fail and info on the bug are at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kopete/+bug/69583 thanks.
[06:30] <Tonio_> fdoving: no icq and feisty.... sorry
[06:30] <fdoving> what's the name of the testing team again.. #kubuntu-testers?
[06:30] <Riddell> yes, mhb's lot are needed for this :)
[06:31] <Riddell> could also ask on kubuntu-devel mailing list
[06:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm packaging new kaffeine toonight too, fyi
[06:31] <fdoving> is there a team I can subscribe to the bug?
[06:31] <fdoving> kubuntu-testers.
[06:33] <Riddell> Tonio_: cool
[06:35] <mhb> fdoving: we're needed, cool
[06:40] <fdoving> mhb: kubuntu-testers is now subscribed to the bug. I made a comment with direct links to the package etc.
[06:44] <mhb> fdoving: thanks
[06:45] <mhb> fdoving: I'll dist-upgrade to Feisty today and then I'll test it
[06:45] <fdoving> mhb: it's for edgy.
[06:45] <mhb> fdoving: really?
[06:45] <fdoving> yes.
[06:45] <mhb> fdoving: oh, I must have overlooked that
[06:45] <fdoving> it's for edgy-updates
[06:45] <mhb> in that case I'll test it now
[06:46] <fdoving> please add comment to the bug with results. thanks for testing. I have to go.. bbl.
[06:48] <mhb> ok
[06:55] <Riddell> Tonio_: each time I right click on a .gz file I have two actions for unzipping, this is madness that must be stopped
[06:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah I know
[06:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: the issue is that if I "hide" the kpart desktop file, it'll not work at all....
[06:57] <Tonio_> no way to configure konqueror to use it... that's the problem
[06:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: the other solution is simply to not install it, but we'll miss the kpart integration in konqueror
[06:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: let me just test something
[06:58] <Riddell> but surely the right click action is separate from that somehow?
[06:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: nope, it is the same kpart desktop file I use for konqueror config.... that's the problem
[07:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay.... it is not possible to graphically configure konqueror to use the kpart since it is hidden, but the configuration via rc files still work
[07:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll patch the desktop file to be hidden and still put the konq's config via kds, that'll work
[07:00] <Tonio_> but someone changing the default config will not be able to switch back
[07:00] <Tonio_> because the kpart is also hidden in the file associations dialog box
[07:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just found my gpg key backup, but no ssh key....
[07:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: can you change the seeds to remove kscd and kaudiocreator ?
[07:02] <Tonio_> maybe we should also remove wlassistant since it'll not be there when the release is done
[07:02] <Riddell> yes, we said we'd remove wlassistant
[07:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm looking at kwlan to check if there is now a way to autodetect the card and the driver to use....
[07:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: if yes, that's probably better default choice than knetworkmanager since there is already a way to control ip settings
[07:10] <Riddell> hmm, any idea if k3b still needs vorbis-tools?
[07:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: to rip with ogg, yes, that's still needed
[07:12] <Riddell> ok, kscd, kaudiocreator and wlassistant gone
[07:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: great
[08:13] <Guest492> hi, everybody from Argentina
[08:14] <Riddell> hello Guest492
[08:14] <Guest492> anybody here?
[08:14] <Riddell> we're all here
[08:14] <Guest492> hi Riddell
[08:14] <mhb> Guest492: not from argentina, but we're here alright
[08:15] <Guest492> ok
[08:15] <Guest492> I'm searching the site of FaceFox but in spanish, who know it?
[08:15] <Guest492> pls
[08:15] <jdong_> DONT ASK :)
[08:16] <jdong_> it's a looong story
[08:16] <Guest492> because I was search with google, and I don't found it
[08:16] <Riddell> Guest492: I've never heard of it
[08:17] <Guest492> thanks Riddell
[08:17] <Czessi> Riddell: Hi, I have packaging Klear. Can you take a look pls.
[08:20] <Riddell> Czessi: what is it and where can I find it?
[08:21] <Czessi> Riddell: Klear is an DVB harddisk recorder http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3658
[08:33] <toma> Riddell: can we/you pick a date for a meeting?
[08:34] <Riddell> toma: please do
[08:35] <toma> Riddell: Thursday, 22utc?
[08:35] <TheInfinity> hmm ... hello
[08:35] <Riddell> hi TheInfinity
[08:35] <Riddell> toma: good for me.  Tonio_? allee?
[08:36] <allee> mhmm?
[08:36] <Riddell> allee: kubuntu meeting, thursday 22utc?
[08:36] <toma> hm, what's utc - cet this time a year?
[08:36] <Riddell> you are +1
[08:36] <toma> okay
[08:36] <allee> Riddell: fine with me
[08:36] <Riddell> I am a nice and sensible +0
[08:37] <toma> okay, i'll put it up there and mail
[08:37] <Riddell> thanks toma
[08:38] <allee> toma: assumed you computer is correctly setup: date --utc; date
[08:39] <toma> allee: I think asking around is more social
[08:39] <TheInfinity> kwwii: perhaps there? i am the guy with the kubuntu.de layout suggestion ... was almost not here on weekend because i lay in bed - damn cold
[08:39] <allee> lol
[08:42] <Riddell> Czessi: a couple of issues to fix, see comments http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3658
[08:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: hu ? toma: what's the point ?
[08:43] <Tonio_> ho meeting !
[08:43] <toma> Tonio_: meeting thursday?
[08:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay for me
[08:43] <toma> Tonio_: good
[08:44] <Czessi> Riddell: ok, thanks. I'll fix this.
[08:45] <kwwii> TheInfinity: hi! did Zerlinna give you my email address?
[08:45] <kwwii> hehe, colds are nasty
[08:46] <TheInfinity> yes, but i thought it would be more directly by using the chat
[08:46] <kwwii> sure, I love chat...but not everyone does :-)
[08:46] <TheInfinity> and instead learning for university and writing a mail i became this cold, so i am here now ;)
[08:46] <TheInfinity> got
[08:46] <fdoving> Riddell: are the kubuntu specific merges in http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html wanted? like kdebase etc..
[08:47] <TheInfinity> and my english training is not very good ... :/
[08:48] <kwwii> hehe
[08:48] <kwwii> no worries about english...we can talk in german as well (but then probably in another channel)
[08:49] <TheInfinity> yes ;)
[08:49] <TheInfinity> where? or query?
[08:49] <kwwii> doesn't matter to me :-)
[08:49] <kwwii> we could talk in kubuntu-de
[08:53] <Riddell> fdoving: kdebase has already been merged, we tend to just do 1 merge per cycle since we don't want to keep tracking all the debian changes or we would never release
[08:53] <Riddell> fdoving: but if there's good stuff from debian that makes a difference to users we can merge that in, sure
[08:54] <fdoving> Riddell: ok, understood.
[09:23] <fdoving> Riddell: as far as i can see kwin-style-crystal can now be synced from debian, overwriting the kubuntu changes, looks to me, like upstream (1.0.2) include the improved icons by kwwii, which is the only diff i can see, from debian that is.
[09:24] <Riddell> including the edgy buttons?
[09:25] <fdoving> Riddell: yes, they are now in the .orig.tar.gz
[09:25] <fdoving> http://merges.ubuntu.com/k/kwin-style-crystal/kwin-style-crystal_1.0.2.orig.tar.gz
[09:25] <kwwii> haha...I win!
[09:25] <fdoving> should I make a sync request?
[09:25] <fdoving> or do we change that later anyway, with new feisty icons?
[09:26] <Riddell> fdoving: please do a sync request
[09:27] <fdoving> Riddell: ok. will do.
[09:29] <Riddell> fdoving: and poke me to confirm it
[09:29] <fdoving> Riddell: I will.
[10:11] <fdoving> Riddell: bug 74431
[10:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74431 in kwin-style-crystal "[Feisty]  Please sync kwin-style-crystal from Debian unstable (main)." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74431
[10:25] <gnomefreak> is there a way to get a backtrace of konqueror at a website? i have debug package for konq and it crashes on a certain site how would i run the backtrace on that?
[10:26] <Lure> gnomefreak: connect to process with gdb?
[10:27] <gnomefreak> like (gdb) konqueror www.bleh.com than (gdb) run?
[10:27] <Lure> gnomefreak: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace
[10:34] <nixternal> snootchies
[10:37] <gnomefreak> nixternal: that wasnt real helpful :(
[10:38] <gnomefreak> nixternal: i ran backtrace on konq. for the crash with pittis debug repo and his konq-debug package
[10:39] <gnomefreak> so it has the symbols that yours didnt but thats all it has
[10:39] <gnomefreak> im wondering if i should have left a command out
[10:40] <nixternal> well, i have a new backtrace up there now if you didn't see it
[10:41] <gnomefreak> that just gave me an idea
[10:45] <gnomefreak> well atleast i got the debug symbols of the crash. the ones that say no debug symbols on yours is on mine
[10:49] <Tonio_> Riddell:  -> works thanks :)
[10:49] <Tonio_> Lure: ping ?
[10:50] <Lure> Tonio_: good evening
[10:50] <Tonio_> hey luka ;)
[10:50] <Tonio_> Lure: you are responsible for the patch that adds hibernate and suspend to the kde logout window right ?
[10:50] <Lure> right
[10:51] <Tonio_> Lure: I noticed the icons are missing
[10:51] <Lure> Tonio_: Riddell added icons somewhere...
[10:51] <Tonio_> Lure: I get the options but the yellow and blue (I think) icons are not there
[10:51] <Tonio_> Lure: which package to touch concerning this ?
[10:51] <Lure> Tonio_: my patch is for ksmserver, I am not sure where Riddell has put the icons though...
[10:52] <Tonio_> Lure: okay I'll ask him then :)
[10:52] <Tonio_> let's build kds
[10:53] <Lure> Tonio_: they are in kdelibs-data
[10:54] <Tonio_> Lure: okay I'll have a look thanks :)
[10:54] <Tonio_> maybe they are just missing in the debian folder or something
[11:07] <Riddell> Tonio_: with new qt?
[11:08] <kwwii> hi Tonio_! How goes life?
[11:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes
[11:09] <Tonio_> kwwii: hehe, great :) and you ?
[11:09] <gnomefreak> ok i give for now the bug has as much info as we can give feel free to ask for more info
[11:09] <Riddell> Tonio_: very strange, visibility shouldn't affect hat
[11:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm trying to merge kdebindings and wengophone, debian now has a good package so there is no need uploading mine
[11:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: maybe that's just because it has been rebuilt
[11:10] <kwwii> Tonio_: pretty good until now...got a job offer from a larger sized software company today (but based on windows)
[11:10] <Tonio_> Riddell:  -> strange but working
[11:10] <Riddell> Tonio_: debian has a package of what?
[11:10] <Tonio_> kwwii: hehe great ;)
[11:10] <gnomefreak> nixternal: do you have either konqueror-nsplugins or konq-plugins installed?
[11:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: wengophone 2.0
[11:10] <kwwii> Tonio_: when I told them that I do not have a PC they told me that I would have to buy one to work for them :p
[11:10] <fdoving> nite all.
[11:10] <gnomefreak> nite fdoving
[11:11] <Tonio_> kwwii: wow cool !
[11:14] <kwwii> Tonio_: if it were up to me, I would stay in the area of linux artwork
[11:14] <Tonio_> of course that seems logic...
[11:19] <kwwii> I have so much experience in the linux side of things, that I would like to see my determination pay off :p
[11:20] <gnomefreak> who is the local konqueror guy?
[11:20] <gnomefreak> local == not upstream
[11:24] <Riddell> most of the kubuntu-default-settings changes have been done by me and Tonio_
[11:25] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: any question ?
[11:25] <gnomefreak> Tonio_: look at a bug real fast let me know if you need more info
[11:25] <gnomefreak> let me get bug
[11:25] <gnomefreak> Tonio_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/73291
[11:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73291 in kdebase "[Feisty] Konqueror crash on website" [Low,Confirmed]
[11:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks like kdebindings builds now, thanks to the latest qt packages
[11:26] <Riddell> well, that visibility patch did cause problems
[11:26] <gnomefreak> the backtraces are lacking symbols so i got the symbols but i cant get a normal backtrace now
[11:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay
[11:26] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: that's khtml issue, and we don't touch it at all
[11:26] <gnomefreak> upstream?
[11:27] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: would be interesting to compare with another distro, but that's probably upstream issue
[11:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning wengophone the qt4.2 bug is due to scons build, building with cmake works..... weird.....
[11:27] <gnomefreak> ok
[11:27] <gnomefreak> ty
[11:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: I still wonder why they use 2 build systems :)
[11:27] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: your welcome
[11:28] <paddy> guys, what would you suggest me to do, to get a Feisty testing system?
[11:30] <gnomefreak> paddy: why would we suggest that?
[11:30] <paddy> gnomefreak, since you ask like that: next please.
[11:31] <gnomefreak> paddy: my point feisty is not a version that will work at times if at all. there are many things broken with it. so i asked why would we as in do you plan to buiold packages for feisty (better off using a feisty pbuilder)
[11:33] <gnomefreak> i dont suggest anyone that cant fix it to use it at this point. seeing as the ISOs for herd1 are late because of big issues with some main packages
[11:33] <paddy> i dont plan to argue about my reasons who running a test system. i asked a pretty straight forward question. nothing more, nothing less.
[11:33] <paddy> s/who/for/
[11:33] <gnomefreak> ok no i dont suggest it
[11:34] <paddy> and i did not ask for opinions if that is good or bad, i asked for the best method.
[11:34] <gnomefreak> paddy: there is only one way upgrade
[11:36] <paddy> why so complicated if the answer is so easy? so i will setup a base system with edgy, change the package source and the APT::Default-Release and dist-upgrade. alright.
[12:13] <nixternal> gnomefreak: ya i have them installed
[12:13] <gnomefreak> i checked them both no help
[12:13] <nixternal> im sure there is some script on that page that is crashing it
[12:13] <gnomefreak> nixternal: i removed them and it still crashes its a khtml issue and kubuntu doesnt do anything with that its all upstream
[12:14] <gnomefreak> i dont see why its only that page though even if it is khtml issue


[19:47] <sbraz> hello, how would we go about removing https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/ubuntu.bhs.mirrors.ovh.net-archive? i can edit it but not delete it, it's the same as https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/ubuntu.mirrors.ovh.net-archive (except the certificate is only valid for the latter), both DNS records point to the same IP and anycast is used so that requests land in either FR or CA
[20:36] <sarnold> I think<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is the Right Way -- but I have to ask if it really matters?
[20:37] <sarnold> if the DNS name is going away, hopefully the mirror-prober would notice within a few days


[00:17] <sseiersen> :O
[01:11] <sseiersen> :O
[01:11] <sseiersen> Oh noes
[03:32] <U2GB> Hi, can I make chroot with openssh-server on ubuntu 8.04 server?
[03:47] <qman__> U2GB, yes, it requires additional software though
[03:50] <U2GB> ok, I get this message when I restart ssh service "ChrootDirectory is not allowed within a Match block"
[03:50] <U2GB> do you now what software?
[03:58] <qman__> I use jailkit  http://olivier.sessink.nl/jailkit/index.html#download
[03:59] <U2GB> ok thanks
[05:09] <sseiersen>
[05:37] <sarthor> Hi, Hi, i am trying to configure linux computer with multi isp, having shorewall-perl 2.4.10, but there is error, all of my configuration are here, http://pastebin.com/m283087d6 Error says eth1 is not usable.
[05:49] <brunokrebs> hi there
[05:50] <brunokrebs> if my firewall rules are empty, and I type "iptables -P OUTPUT DROP" this will revoke any rules about outputs that I might add after that?
[05:50]  * ball stares blankly
[05:57] <qman__> no
[05:57] <qman__> that will cause it to drop all traffic unless rules specify otherwise
[05:57] <qman__> if you want to clear all your rules, use "iptables -F"
[06:04] <brunokrebs> yes, thanks
[06:05] <brunokrebs> I asked that because I was reading a book that have some examples
[06:05] <brunokrebs> but the examples are not working properly
[06:05] <brunokrebs> and I thouth it could be that first rule that they told me to put
[06:05] <brunokrebs> that is drop from the three chains
[06:06] <brunokrebs> but I made a few tests now and I could find that other rules can revoke this drop all first rule
[06:06] <brunokrebs> thanks again
[06:09] <brunokrebs> thought*
[06:28] <brunokrebs> ok I was able to, after setting the firewall to drop all from all chains, ping the localhost adding a few rules
[06:29] <brunokrebs> like: "iptables -A INPUT -i localhost -j ACCEPT" and "iptabls -A OUTPUT -j ACCEPT"
[06:30] <brunokrebs> but I can't accomplish to enable access to a server outside, like google
[06:30] <brunokrebs> how would I do that?
[06:39] <ball> How do I tell Ubuntu Server which ntp server to use?
[07:07] <duvnell> I'm currently booted from my old drive on /dev/sda1 .. I've now mounted my new drive's partition, /dev/sdb1.  Now I want to install grub on sdb1 because I'm about to remove the old drive on sda ... so when it boots next, the new drive will be sda...   How do I install grub on sdb?
[07:24] <Dustan> Hey guys, I'm pulling out my hair here, hoping someone can offer some solutions to my issue.
[07:24] <Dustan> I am moving a site from a managed host to a vps
[07:24] <Dustan> I am running ubuntu 8.04 on my vps
[07:25] <Dustan> on of the sites I am moving over uses a form/php script to email my client when they want a quote
[07:25] <Dustan> http://www.harrysflooring.com/contact.html
[07:26] <Dustan> php file processing the form
[07:26] <Dustan> http://pastebin.com/d43357a34
[07:26] <Dustan> I set up a simple lamp server and planned to use google apps for email
[07:26] <Dustan> How can I make this function without the fun of setting up a full blown mail server on my vps
[07:27] <Dustan> ? 1,000,000 internet points to man/lady who can save my day
[07:36] <ball> Dustan: why not have it dump them to a flat file and use something like logrotate to chop that up for downloading via rsync or sftp?
[07:37] <ball> Hang on though, you wouldn't need a main /server/, just a scriptable mail user agent
[07:37] <ball> (something like the ancient Berkeley mail program, which could mail text from standard input)
[07:41] <Dustan> here is the thing, I am a very young server admin, less than a year, so some of this stuff is way over my head. I am getting a grasp of things though.
[07:41] <Dustan> would installing postfix fix my problem>
[07:41] <Dustan> the form/php functioned fine on my managed host
[07:41] <ball> No
[07:42] <ball> At least, not without potentially introducing many more.
[07:42] <Dustan> I see.
[07:43] <Dustan> It's funny, when I found google apps I though that all my email nightmares were over.
[07:44] <ball> Mail wouldn't be my choice.
[07:45] <ball> Does your VPS have any kind of database on it?
[07:45] <Dustan> mysql
[07:45] <Dustan> it's a linode, it can have whatever we want
[07:46] <ball> Just tuck them away in a table somewhere and add an admin interface that lets your customer click a button and download the lot.
[07:47] <Dustan> what about  ssmtp
[07:48] <ball> putting mail on your Web server is a bad idea in my opinion because of what could happen when your VPS is compromised
[07:48] <Dustan> What he like about the email was I could have the email cc'd to his cell<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:49]  * ball shrugs
[07:49] <Dustan> he could call the contact from his worksite
[07:49] <ball> He'll like that until the spammers hit.
[07:50] <Dustan> captchas?
[07:50] <ball> Anyone here happen to know how to ask an Ubuntu Server box to suspend?
[08:01]  * ball gives up and goes to bed.
[10:53] <orogor> hi here
[10:54] <orogor> anyone may help me to switch from a single drive install to a raid 10 install using only 4 drives?
[11:01] <qiyong> i lost my clipboard, what is its widget name?
[11:01] <qiyong> i lost my clipboard, what is its widget name?
[11:16] <Speedy059> root@changeme:~# apt-get install yum
[11:16] <Speedy059> Reading package lists... Done
[11:16] <Speedy059> Building dependency tree... Done
[11:16] <Speedy059> E: Couldn't find package yum
[11:16] <Speedy059> root@changeme:~#
[11:16] <Speedy059> How do you install YUM?
[11:16] <Speedy059> Wont work for me :/
[11:27]  * RoyK slaps Speedy059
[11:27] <RoyK> orogor: switch?
[11:27] <RoyK> Speedy059: alias yum='apt-get'
[11:29] <RoyK> orogor: there are several ways to do that. I'd recommend backup/reinstall/restore
[12:22] <freelancer4> hey guys, i have acoupple of questions in ragards to replacing m$ sbs, with ubuntu, im starting at the base, and wanting some good hints / tips on building a working openldap + samba setup
[12:39] <RoyK> freeflying: ask away - about openldap + samba, try google
[13:05] <Speedy059> When I install KDE, ubuntu-desktop, VNC..when I connect VNC all I get is a command prompt and a black/white screen with now desktop. Any ideas?
[13:07] <RoyK> Speedy059: on a server?
[14:14] <NorthByNorthWest> Hi! Need som help with server and vbox... I have installed a Ubuntu Server Edition with everything that I need on my desktop computer, works really well! Now I want to migrate the VM-server to a dedicated server computer running Ubuntu Server Edition...
[14:15] <NorthByNorthWest> which is the best way forward? I installed the virtualization options on the ubuntu server, but does that give me the option to simply move the virtual harddrive file and boot my virtual machine?
[14:42] <avalonstable> hi folks, is pam required for kerberos?
[14:43] <avalonstable> or is it enough to manually create a ticket (kinit) and login with that
[16:52] <J_5> is their a command to tell me what version of some of the packages I have are (apache, open-ssh etc.) ?
[16:53] <jmarsden> J_5: dpkg-query -W apache2 openssh-client # etc
[16:54] <J_5> sweet, thank you.
[16:55] <jmarsden> No problem.
[17:27] <Byron_> Hello everyone. Thank you all for your help in getting my Ubuntu LAMP server setup. It's running, I can SSH to it from my phone (G1), FTP from my desktop and netbook, but I can't access the index.php file as it tries to download rather than display.
[17:27] <Byron_> What would cause this to happen? All appears to be installed and running for Apache and php5
[17:52] <Byron> when I use 'curl -i http://My.Own.IP.Address' I get the contents of what would display online, but my browser keeps trying to download the index.php file as opposed to displaying it on the browser.
[18:05] <Byron> So it seems that I can only view the contents when I use a browser as root
[18:06] <Byron> Is there a way around this (leaving it as root:root) or should I chown it to $USER:$USER?
[18:13] <Byron> So it seems that chown'ing to $USER:$USER was the solution for /var/www
[18:23] <Byron> www was set to 755, if that doesn't add some oddity
[20:51] <jaredster> can somebody help me with cupsys?
[20:54] <jaredster> https://help.ubuntu.com/6.06/ubuntu/serverguide/C/cups.html
[20:55] <jaredster> this tells me to edit my /etc/cups/cups.d/ports.conf, but it doens't exist
[20:55] <jaredster> even after I installed cups, cupsys, and cupsys-client
[20:59] <heath|home> you're using 6.06?
[20:59] <jaredster> no, ubuntu server 9.04
[21:00] <jaredster> yeah i saw that
[21:01] <jaredster> following this one now https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/cups.html
[21:04] <jaredster>  it still says to look for /etc/cups/cups.d/, but the directory doesnt seem to exist.
[21:06] <jaredster> heath|home, do you have any idea?
[21:09] <heath|home> I'm not sure why it wouldn't be there. Do you want me to pastebin mine?
[21:10] <jaredster> yes please
[21:10] <heath|home> jaredster: did you install cups-common?
[21:11] <jaredster> yes
[21:11] <heath|home> There is 17 files in /etc/cups
[21:12] <jaredster> etc/cups$ ls
[21:12] <jaredster> acroread.conf       mime.convs      oopstops.types  pstopdf.convs  snmp.conf
[21:12] <jaredster> cupsd.conf          mime.types      pdftops.conf    raw.convs      ssl
[21:12] <jaredster> cupsd.conf.default  oopstops.convs  ppd             raw.typ
[21:13] <heath|home> that's everything I have
[21:13] <heath|home> here are the packages I have installed: http://pastie.org/542573
[21:14] <jaredster> I'm kind of new to this.  I'm installing this for the house.
[21:14] <jaredster> Isn't cups.d supposed to be a directory
[21:14] <heath|home> jaredster: are you installing a server for your house?
[21:15] <jaredster> yep
[21:15] <heath|home> jaredster: look into ebox, it makes all this stuff a breeze
[21:16]  * ScottK encourages continued learning about how the system works.
[21:16] <heath|home> I think it's even in the guide
[21:16] <jaredster> I've already invested too much time into this
[21:16] <jaredster> I don't think I'm going to install an other distro
[21:17] <jaredster> this is just one of the few things I'm trying to set up really
[21:17] <heath|home> well, ebox runs on ubuntu. It looks like everything you need is in the dir, what exactly is not working?
[21:18] <jaredster> no cups.d directory, the ubuntu guide tells you to edit files in it
[21:18] <jaredster> /etc/cups/cups.d/ports.conf
[21:18] <heath|home> I don't have that dir either...
[21:18] <jaredster> weird
[21:18] <jaredster> and yours works fine?
[21:19] <heath|home> nor do I have that file
[21:19] <jaredster> so that guide is wrong then
[21:22] <heath|home> jaredster: http://www.debianadmin.com/setup-cups-common-unix-printing-system-server-and-client-in-debian.html
[21:23] <jaredster> thanks heath|home
[21:23] <jaredster> i'll try that
[21:23] <heath|home> That explains what cupsd.conf needs
[22:14] <jaredster> thanks heath|home
[22:14] <jaredster> the main page is up now
[22:14] <heath|home> you get it going?
[22:14] <heath|home> nice!
[22:14] <jaredster> yeah, except now I'm getting a 426 error
[22:14] <jaredster> upgrade requierd
[22:14] <jaredster> required*
[22:14] <jaredster> btw I'm setting this up over the internet
[22:15] <heath|home> That's always the best way to do it!
[22:15] <jaredster> lol
[22:16] <jaredster> I mean the server is in an other state
[22:16] <jaredster> so that's always fun
[22:17] <jaredster> openssh ftw
[22:19] <jaredster> i'm getting an "426 Upgrade Required" whenever I try to access anything other than the main page.
[22:19] <heath|home> main page being site:631 ?
[22:20] <jaredster> yes
[22:20] <jaredster> but if I access server:631/admin I get the error.
[22:20] <jaredster> then it trys to redirect me to the lanip:631, which won't work because I'm not on the network.
[22:20] <heath|home> http://desk.stinkpot.org:8080/tricks/index.php/2007/05/cups-problems-426-upgrade-required/
[22:21] <jaredster> yeah I tried that, people are saying that removing the encryption fixes it
[22:21] <jaredster> which is not the case here.
[22:21] <heath|home> looks like you just need to add two lines for configuring remotely
[22:22] <jaredster> which lines?
[22:22] <heath|home> jaredster: did you try using https://
[22:23] <jaredster> wow that worked
[22:23] <jaredster> thanks!
[22:24] <heath|home> security is #!
[22:24] <heath|home> **1
[22:28] <jaredster> lol
[22:28] <jaredster> so I'll be there tomorrow and I'll hook up the printer
[23:13] <jaredster> one more question heath|home, do you recommend samba or bonjour for sharing this printer to a windows pc?


[03:24] <cmaloney> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23444760/
[03:25] <cmaloney> Recruiter asked me if I knew of anyone who might be interested in this position
[03:25] <cmaloney> I told him "Not to my knowledge, although that would be an awesome position for someone from 2000."
[03:29] <cmaloney> They want someone to contract for 6-12 months to see if they'll be a good fit
[03:30] <cmaloney> with travel to client sites in Illinois, Missouri and Virginia
[03:30] <cmaloney> at up to $35 / hr
[06:50] <Scary_Guy> oh wow, $35 an hour?  where to I sign up to get all that loot!?
[06:52] <Scary_Guy> oops, forgot this /scarcasm tag
[11:33] <cmaloney> morning
[12:55] <jrwren> lol
[12:55] <jrwren> hey, for someone with little experience and no degree, that might be a good deal.
[12:55] <jrwren> We are all just getting old so we forget what it is like to have little experience and/or no degree
[13:05] <wolfger> Hey ya'll!
[13:05] <wolfger> Back from KY
[13:06] <wolfger> just in time to go vote
[13:18] <_stink_> welcome back!
[13:39] <cmaloney> jrwren: possibly
[14:03] <jrwren> whoa... https://www.wallabag.org  someone took bookie to the next level.
[14:06] <cmaloney> wallabag uses a large number of PHP libraries in order to function. These libraries must be installed with a tool called Composer. You need to install it if you have not already done so and be sure to use the 1.2 version (if you already have Composer, run a composer selfupdate).
[14:24] <cmaloney> https://room101music.bandcamp.com/track/terrorball <- Today's theme.
[14:27] <jrwren> cmaloney: lol
[17:44] <cmaloney> https://twitter.com/Culture_Czar/status/795678934641868800
[17:49] <jrwren> yes, that took longer than I thought
[17:49] <jrwren> now that I think of it. it is my first time voting a presidential election in a big city. last election I was still in small town.
[17:54] <greg-g> jrwren: wait, which big city?
[17:54] <jrwren> Ann Arbor ;)
[17:55] <cmaloney> jrwren:  is student voting
[17:55] <jrwren> might have been a few students there, yes.
[17:56] <cmaloney> wonder how much of it ...
[17:56] <cmaloney> stupid keyboard didn't catch up
[17:56] <jrwren> none living in campus housing, but the apt just a couple blocks away are in my precinct and mostly students
[17:56] <jrwren> but the crowd in line did not seem particularly young
[17:58] <cmaloney> non-trad students. ;)
[18:00] <greg-g> :)
[18:12] <brousch__> OMG I have some Python code in production
[18:12] <cmaloney> commence to freaking out
[18:13] <jrwren> brousch__: inconcievable.
[18:13] <jrwren> wow... spelling. lol. sorry
[18:14] <brousch__> Just 10 days shy of my 1 year anniversary here
[18:15] <cmaloney> coolness
[18:15] <brousch__> Next up : Android
[23:45] <cmaloney> https://meet.jit.si/mug20161108


[14:52] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[14:53] <davmor2> charlie-tca: morning
[14:55] <charlie-tca> davmor2: How goes it today?
[14:55] <davmor2> charlie-tca: mostly up I got unity working thanks to njpatel
[14:56] <charlie-tca> Great! He is good with it.
[14:56] <davmor2> charlie-tca: it turned out that compiz got screwed in the upgrade
[14:56] <davmor2> charlie-tca: so half the plugins weren't enabled
[14:57] <charlie-tca> ah-ha. That will do it
[15:02] <charlie-tca> I managed to get caught by bug 678196
[16:11] <persia> charlie-tca, Did you manage to select which installation targets you planned to release for natty?
[16:13] <charlie-tca> persia, I don't understand
[16:13] <charlie-tca> You mean, the default apps?
[16:15] <persia> charlie-tca, So, there are Xubuntu Desktop images that will be published.  I know you want i386 and powerpc images.  I suspect you want amd64 images.  I'm not sure if you want amd64+mac images (if they exist), because I don't know if you have testers for them.  I'm also not sure if you have testers for armel+imx51.  I don't know if you have testers for any other sort of armel.
[16:17] <charlie-tca> Oh, okay. Yes, I want i386 and amd64 images. I have to see if I have the testers for the powerpc and ps3 images. Right now, I have to say I do not have them.
[16:18] <persia> and armel?
[16:18] <charlie-tca> no
[16:18] <cody-somerville> I might be able to commit to testing on armel.
[16:18] <persia> heh.  I heard mumblings from micahg as well.
[16:18]  * SiDi notices new people here.
[16:18] <SiDi> Hi everybody
[16:18] <cody-somerville> Hi SiDi :-)
[16:18] <persia> charlie-tca, So, could you check which targets you can find people to test, and get back to me by alpha 1 release?
[16:18] <charlie-tca> cody-somerville, we don't have armel, but if we have testers, we can commit to them.
[16:19] <charlie-tca> yes, persia
[16:19] <persia> Thanks :)
[16:19] <cody-somerville> Do we currently produce an armel image?
[16:19] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[16:19] <charlie-tca> cody-somerville, no
[16:19] <persia> You don't.   I'd be interested in tinkering with it.
[16:20] <charlie-tca> However, without committed testers, we won't have anything except alternate and desktop
[16:20] <charlie-tca> Yes, I believe we can
[16:20] <cody-somerville> SiDi, Not too shabby. Hurt my back last week so am a little sore but besides that in good spirits. Yourself?
[16:21] <persia> cody-somerville, Yes, but not for alpha-1.  Needs to identify specifically which install targets are to be enabled, and have committed testers.
[16:21] <SiDi> cody-somerville: i'm horribly pissed cause i wasted a whole project day doing nothing because of things outside of my control. Apart from that life is cool and i keep myself busy all the time
[16:22] <cody-somerville> persia, Is there no way to just have it built but not be a candidate for alpha-1?
[16:22] <persia> cody-somerville, So you need to determine which of e.g. imx51, omap, omap4 you can test.  Also, just being able to test doesn't mean it works: images which consistently fail to build (e.g. no kernel) are likely to get complaints from the cdimage team.
[16:22] <charlie-tca> persia, we may not have alpha1. We are merging xfce 4.7, and will need to keep gtk1 now
[16:22] <charlie-tca> rather gtk2
[16:22] <persia> charlie-tca, No worries.
[16:22] <persia> cody-somerville, There might be a way, but the way isn't to talk to me and have me put it on the list to give to the release team for alpha-2 candidate planning.
[16:23] <cody-somerville> persia, Aren't you on the cdimage team? :P
[16:23] <persia> No.
[16:23] <cody-somerville> persia, Should I talk to the release team or the cdimage team?
[16:23] <persia> I'm just the person assigned the task of talking to all the flavours to identify people responsible for the set of images being released.
[16:25] <persia> I'd talk to the release team to notify them you don't plan for a certain image to be a candidate, and then to the cdimage team about enabling the build.
[16:25] <persia> But you'll need to tell me who is responsible for which targets for Alpha-2 anyway, and I don't think there are any armel kernels for alpha-1 (well, maybe omap4)
[16:25] <charlie-tca> I will get with the release team on the candidate. I am waiting to be sure before I say no to building it
[16:26] <mr_pouit> mmh, are there actually some powerpc testers/developers for xubuntu?
[16:26] <charlie-tca> We did have some testers for lucid and maverick. I need to see if they are still around
[16:26] <cody-somerville> For playstation, what version of playstation is required to test that?
[16:26] <persia> Lots of the powerpc users seem to want to run Xubuntu, but testing seems not frequent (much of the time the images are oversize, or don't work for some other reason)
[16:27] <persia> I think you need an old (fat) playstation which hasn't been connected to the internet since Sony released the no-more-linux patch.
[16:27] <mr_pouit> well, the core libs of xfce 4.7 ftbfs on powerpc, and I don't have any to debug, so ;]
[16:28] <persia> mr_pouit, Try asking for help in #ubuntu-powerpc.  I don't have time tonight, but sometimes I do, as do others who are there.
[16:28] <cody-somerville> I think I have a playstation 2 but I don't think its 'fat'.
[16:28] <persia> Needs to be a playstation3, and not the slim playstation3.
[16:28] <persia> I think playstation2 was a different architecture.
[16:30] <charlie-tca> cody-somerville, will you talk to the cdimage team about armel?
[16:30] <cody-somerville> Yes.
[16:30] <charlie-tca> I will find out about ps3 and powerpc testers and get back to persia on it
[16:31] <mr_pouit> I think for the products we have i386 and amd64 for sure. All other arches depend on having testers and at least one dev with such hw to fix ftbfs and other arch-specific issues =]
[16:31] <persia> charlie-tca, If you can, telling me who is the best contact to confirm milestone/release approval for each install target would be ideal, once you've collected the information.
[16:31] <charlie-tca> persia, I will do that. thanks
[16:33] <persia> Wonderful.  Thanks a lot!
[16:33] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit, maybe between cody-somerville and micahg we can do the armel images, at least. micahg talked to me about that at uds, too.
[16:34] <mr_pouit> okay, nice
[16:35] <cody-somerville> Okay. We won't be able to do armel for alpha-1 as the ARM board I have required imx51 kernel which won't be available until maybe alpha-2
[16:35] <cody-somerville> Unless someone has a board that does have a working kernel for it
[16:36] <mr_pouit> well, we can decide to drop the alpha 1 (so I can upload xfce4-panel immediately :p)
[16:36] <charlie-tca> Oh, well, I will check with micahg then. He has an armel system too.
[16:36] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit, if we are sure we won't make it, then let's do it.
[16:37] <charlie-tca> Aren't we better off to start now, and make sure we get a good image for alpha2, then to wait and then have things fall apart again?
[16:37] <cody-somerville> Is Xubuntu natty in an installable state currently? We still have a week.
[16:38] <cody-somerville> I see value to getting alpha-1 out to maintain cadence
[16:38] <charlie-tca> The alternate image is. I haven't tried the desktop image this week
[16:39] <charlie-tca> I would prefer we get the images together, and give enough time to get xfce4.7 working right.
[16:40] <cody-somerville> mr_pouit, Are we going to risk being oversized due to gtk2 + gtk3? I assume we'll probably end up pulling in gtk3 as well or are you planning to avoid that?
[16:40] <charlie-tca> delaying 4.7 for alpha1 seems to putting the cart out front of the horse, since we will have to replace the image anyway.
[16:40] <mr_pouit> haha, currently we have gtk2+3 and python2.6+2.7 cody-somerville
[16:40] <mr_pouit> so completely oversized
[16:40] <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, yea, delaying would be worse
[16:41] <charlie-tca> but don't we have to keep gtk2 with xfce 4.8?
[16:41] <mr_pouit> and unless we drop jockey & co, we have to keep gtk3
[16:41] <mr_pouit> so we're basically stuck with gtk2+3 without real choice
[16:41] <charlie-tca> ouch
[16:42] <cody-somerville> Ubuntu is in the same boat.
[16:42] <mr_pouit> no, because they chose to switch to gtk3
[16:42] <mr_pouit> they lead the boat, it's different
[16:43] <cody-somerville> AFAIK, they won't be able to migrate everything to gtk3 in time
[16:43] <cody-somerville> If the list of things pulling in gtk3 is small enough we might be able to maintain two binary packages - one gtk2 and gtk3 - for natty (if necessary).
[16:45] <mr_pouit> anyway, I can wait a week before uploading xfce4-panel 4.7, so let's try to release this alpha 1 :)
[16:46] <charlie-tca> Okay. who will be the contact? Me, you, cody-somerville ?
[16:47] <cody-somerville> Sorry to flip-flop but do we really want to release an alpha-1? In our case, it may indeed be better to just start uploading 4.7. Is there a possibility we can upload 4.7 and still release alpha-1 at all?
[16:47] <mr_pouit> yeah, probability about 0.00000001%
[16:48] <mr_pouit> all 4.6 panel plugins conflict against the 4.7 panel
[16:49] <mr_pouit> (so until they are all rebuilt, the desktop won't be installable)
[16:49] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit, I still am thinking "why alpha1"? If we are making that big a change, alpha1 is not indicative of the natty release.
[16:49] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: yeah, I'm thinking this also, but I prefer if we all agree that we won't release it before I start the breakage :p
[16:50] <charlie-tca> I would prefer we skip alpha1, and just start in with the breaks
[16:51] <charlie-tca> cody-somerville, flip-flop is good. It lets us look at all the issues.
[16:51] <cody-somerville> I'm inclined to agree. Can I suggest that we ask the Ubuntu release team for their opinion? I mean, I'm sure they personally don't care but it would be nice to get their professional opinion on what they'd do if they were in the same shoes.
[16:52] <mr_pouit> probably upload in a ppa, and upload to the archive only when it's fully ready (all plugins rebuilt)
[16:53] <cody-somerville> Is there any reason we're not considering that?
[16:53] <charlie-tca> Good suggestion.
[16:54] <mr_pouit> yeah, some reason like "it's natty, we've not even reached alpha 1, this can break"
[16:55] <mr_pouit> but I can start uploading to ~xubuntu-dev/ppa/natty if you prefer
[16:57] <mr_pouit> (oops, gtg, I'll read the backlog :)
[16:57] <charlie-tca> Let's ask the release team for an opinion. We just ask in #ubuntu-release or is there a mailing list?
[16:57] <cody-somerville> If we can start working on 4.7 without breaking so that we can release alpha-1 (which I think has value) then I think that makes the most sense.
[16:57] <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, I'd just ask in #ubuntu-release.
[16:58] <cody-somerville> Furthermore, if alpha-1 is released, we can note that "hey, 4.7 is starting to brew in this PPA - feel free to help test" which would be a bit more difficult if they can't install Xubuntu natty at all ;)
[16:59] <charlie-tca> what I see as the major thing here is we are going to break natty for month or so. Even if we release alpha1, breaking it for a month is going to be a block for anyone that downloaded alpha1
[17:00] <cody-somerville> I think the benefits from releasing alpha-1 might be more project/community centric then provide any real value development wise.
[17:01] <charlie-tca> I disagree. I don't like the idea that we release alpha1, some will install it, and then we will most likely break it. I would prefer we break it and not advertise an alpha1 release.
[17:03] <charlie-tca> Oh, maybe I am thinking wrong again. The main break will be the desktop images, not the installed systems.
[17:05] <cody-somerville> Well, development release is expected to break and only be somewhat stable/usable around alphas
[17:05] <charlie-tca> Okay, taking this to the release team, then. Got to keep my thinking straight, I guess.
[17:08] <charlie-tca> did I word that right?
[20:37] <mr_pouit> there's already a ppa for lucid, so this "hey, 4.7 is starting to brew in this PPA - feel free to help test" is misleading and not so useful
[23:02] <cody-somerville> mr_pouit, then lets rebuild for natty and then copy the packages into natty? ;)
[23:03] <micahg> I can help with the universe rebuilds if you like
[23:51] <charlie-tca> I'm back, finally
[23:51] <charlie-tca> cody-somerville,
[23:52] <charlie-tca> what happened? I lost internet due to a blizzard here.
[23:54] <micahg> charlie-tca: we released Natty 5 months early :D
[23:55] <charlie-tca> Great!
[23:56]  * micahg has to remember to keep the embellishments believable
[23:56] <charlie-tca> micahg, your name came up earlier today. Are you able to test armel images if we port it?
[23:56] <micahg> charlie-tca: so, I'll install xubuntu on my smarkbook after I recover it
[23:56] <charlie-tca> heh
[23:56] <micahg> yes, assuming I get some help with persia on loading from an SD card
[23:57] <charlie-tca> cody-somerville is interested in getting armel, possibly for alpha2
[23:57] <micahg> charlie-tca: I installed a linaro kernel that was not meant for it and now it won't boot
[23:57] <charlie-tca> Oh, goody
[23:57] <micahg> charlie-tca: I'd like to see what shape the desktop on armel is in first before we commit to any milestone
[23:57]  * micahg would be happy if it's working by 12.04
[23:57] <charlie-tca> I am about 6 hours behind on the earlier discussion now. I don't know what happened
[23:57] <micahg> charlie-tca: not much