[00:58] <cerr> Hi everyone!
[00:58] <cerr> Quick question, what version of libusb is built into the kernel of the current 11.10 version of Kubuntu? Anyone?
[00:59] <cerr> (running kernel 3.0.0-12)
[01:01] <Darkwing> in 11.10?
[01:01] <cerr> Darkwing: yes
[01:03] <Darkwing> cerr: I'm running a higher kernal but, on google it looks like both libusb 0.1-4 [2:0.1.12-18] an libusb 1.0-0 are in ubuntus 3.0.0-12. Lemme check another couple sources
[01:09] <Darkwing> cerr: I know I answered in PM but, here it is here for ref. http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libusb&searchon=names&suite=oneiric&section=all
[01:47] <Servertx> hi all
[06:38] <bigbrovar> Hi guys, anyone here running kde 4.8 backport on Kubuntu 11.10 has been able to get the new kde password manager kde secret service (or something like that)  to work ? I can even seem to find it in the repository :/
[06:41] <coder2> Hello. Please help me with resolv.conf - it becomes empty after boot. I've specified dns-nameservers in the /etc/network/interfaces. After ifdown eth0/ifup eth0 resolv.conf become normal, but why it is empty right after boot? My OS version is 11.10. Network manager is not installed.
[07:02] <irancplusplus> hhsh
[07:03] <irancplusplus> test
[07:04] <irancplusplus> winde doen't work in Kubuntu
[07:57] <changhe> Hi
[10:18] <amichair> will kernel 3.3 or later be available in precise?
[10:21] <Angelforget> no is kernel 3.2.0
[10:34] <amichair> will it be upgraded at some point? or will remain 3.2 for the next 6 months?
[10:35] <Tm_T> amichair: will remain, that's the idea of stable release, they stay stable
[10:53] <szal> amichair: not only for the next 6 months, but for the next 5 years ;)
[10:56] <eagles0513875> hey guys :)
[11:10] <eagles0513875> hey guys i am trying to connect to my desktop pc's windows drive what is the best way to connect to it. the pc is on my lan and has a static ip
[11:10] <Oxymoron> Why doesnt this work? konsole --noclose --new-tab --workdir $PWD -e "$f" I get file not found.
[11:10] <Oxymoron> The files where $f is the same as the working dir my bash script is in.
[11:11] <eagles0513875> hey Oxymoron
[11:11] <Oxymoron> eagles0513875: hi :)
[11:11] <eagles0513875> im no help there Oxymoron
[11:13] <eagles0513875> havvent been in this channel in ages :)
[11:14] <SunTsu> eagles0513875: looks like you are looking for samba
[11:14] <eagles0513875> humm ok let me try something
[11:14] <SunTsu> Oxymoron: what does $f contain?
[11:15] <Oxymoron> SunTsu: "client" or "server"
[11:15] <Oxymoron> SunTsu: http://pastie.org/3822082
[11:15] <eagles0513875> bah have try this after i finish upgrading to 12.04
[11:16] <Oxymoron> SunTsu: I am using it to run server first and then client in same konsole window, but different tabs. Thats when I do running from Kdevelop
[11:20] <SunTsu> Oxymoron: what are server and client? Scripts, binaries?
[11:20] <Oxymoron> SunTsu: Binaries
[11:20] <zk_> moun software center is broken
[11:21] <zk_> muon
[11:25] <SunTsu> Oxymoron: in your example above you don't run it with "./" prepended, in your pastey you do. Without it you need to add "." to $PATH, which is a bad idea
[11:28] <Oxymoron> SunTsu: So how to do it properly then?
[11:28] <SunTsu> Oxymoron: "./$f"
[11:28] <SunTsu> like the way you do it in your pastey
[11:33] <Oxymoron> SunTsu: Which do not work ...
[11:33] <Oxymoron> SunTsu: The error I get is Warning: Could not find '/ home/joel/Dropbox/KTH/HI1026 - Project, Internet Technology / Project / build / client'. Starts '/ bin / bash' instead. Check your profile settings.
[11:34] <SunTsu> Oxymoron: Er, you may think really hard why that won't work
[11:35] <SunTsu> what the heck is that path name?
[11:37] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:38] <lethu> hya
[11:38] <Oxymoron> SunTsu: Absolute path to binary? Is there any chars in my directory name that is illegal?
[11:39] <SunTsu> Oxymoron: at least here it looks as if that path name is fubar, lots of stray spaces
[11:39] <SunTsu> "/ home"? " Project / build / client"?
[11:40] <Oxymoron> SunTsu: Ah sorry, no it is not spaces between, I did google translate :D
[11:42] <SunTsu> Oxymoron: still, how can "./client" end up with a fully qualified path name? You are not telling us everything. Please, paste everything you are doing exactly like you do it and do the same with the results
[11:43] <SunTsu> Oxymoron: else we're running aroung inside a huge fog
[11:44] <Oxymoron> SunTsu: This is exactly what I do at the moment http://pastie.org/3822219
[11:47] <SunTsu> Oxymoron: Then konsole doesn't like that path, try it with something more sane
[11:48] <Oxymoron> SunTsu: Why should it be different than other ones? Just want the freaking binaries to run parallell in two different processes in whatever bash that will run it.
[11:49] <SunTsu> Oxymoron: Well, I asked you to paste stuff, and you did only paste part of it, I offer you something to try, which you don't want to. Good luck from here
[11:50] <Oxymoron> SunTsu: No I paste ALL of it ;) I tried different things, nothing works.
[11:50] <Oxymoron> Konsole is bugging
[11:53] <SunTsu> Oxymoron: No, I asked you to paste everything you do, which you didn't, you only pasted that script. I asked you to paste the results exactly the way they are, which you didn't. I addition you argue with me. As I said, good luck, I don't want to put more effort in helping you than you do in helping me help you.
[11:54] <BluesKaj> Oxymoron, maybe you should stick with one chat instead of posting in 2 , that's bad behaviour
[11:54] <Oxymoron> seriously ...
[11:55] <BluesKaj> SunTsu, he's busy trying get answers in 2 chats at once
[11:55] <Oxymoron> I pasted evrything, both error result and bash script.
[11:56] <SunTsu> Oxymoron: Welcome to my ignore list, have a nice stay
[11:56] <Oxymoron> Both my pasties get same end result, so please no difference.
[11:56] <BluesKaj> !COC | Oxymoron
[12:06] <BluesKaj> SunTsu, he was posting in #kde as well ...he fianlly admitted he was try to run the script from kdevelop
[12:07] <SunTsu> BluesKaj: I don't care. I don't people who don't want to work with me resolving their problem
[12:07] <SunTsu> er, put a "help" wherever you see fit in above sentence ;)
[12:07] <BluesKaj> :)
[12:10] <BluesKaj> he's the type , "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing"...bites off way more than he can handle , then expects us to get him out of his jams ...he's been doing this for yrs ...never properly researches his probs or projexts , tthen he expects us to hold his hand
[12:10] <BluesKaj> frustrating
[12:11] <lethu> talking about Stallman by any hazard?
[12:12] <BluesKaj> nope ..
[12:12] <lethu> oh, k
[12:13] <BluesKaj> oxy-moron
[12:14] <lethu> I see
[12:17] <MrWobz> Hello does anybody have experiance sharing an internet connection ?
[12:17] <lethu> Hello MrWobz
[12:17] <jussi> !ics
[12:18] <SunTsu> MrWobz: ask what you want to know or state your issue
[12:18] <MrWobz> I need server a to let server b use the internet feed from the nic1 while giving out on nic2
[12:18] <MrWobz> Basically I have a server colocated, I want to colocate another but dont want to buy a switch
[12:19] <MrWobz> I am only allowed one internet feed, both servers have two nics
[12:20] <MrWobz> basically Im pretty sure it can be done via /network/interfaces
[12:21] <pangolin> MrWobz, see what ubottu just said
[12:21] <MrWobz> yes thats an iptables method
[12:36] <BluesKaj> MrWobz,  this is not an exact example of what you're looking for , but it might help http://nixcraft.com/networking-firewalls-security/17041-how-configure-2-nics-one-lan-other-internet.html
[12:36] <eagles0513875> wowie :D
[12:37] <eagles0513875> 12.04 is zippy
[12:37] <eagles0513875> on my netbook
[12:37] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: there is also untangled which is debian based and has an easy to manage webinterface for all sorts of aspects
[12:38] <eagles0513875> you need 2 nic's with it one for the external interface and one for internal interface
[12:40] <MrWobz> BluesKaj that is what I want, I have static ip routing for eth0 (internet) but in regards to eth1 the ip addresses and broadcast info...  will that be the new ips that ive been allocated? also gateway? Do I use what gateway they have set up for me or do I configure a gateway and dns server on of the servers ?
[12:47] <BluesKaj> MrWobz, if you are using static IP on LAN then list those in /etc/hosts.allow , and the dns nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf ...if you have a  /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d file might overwrite the resolv.conf file so you have to list the dns nameservers there
[12:48] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875, it's not me who's trying to configure 2 nics
[12:48] <eagles0513875> ok im just saying if you want to relay the message
[12:49] <MrWobz> Okay, If somebody can help me out via PM I will donate to a charity of their choice... im in a bit of a rush and this is a first time deal for me
[12:50] <BluesKaj> MrWobz, I have no experience with 2 nics connected to the same gateway ...I use a router
[12:50] <eagles0513875> MrWobz: are you trying to setup some sort of security or something?
[12:51] <MrWobz> no im trying to colocate my second server but ive just been told im only allowed one internet feed
[12:51] <BluesKaj> I was hoping that URL wouls answer you questions
[12:51] <BluesKaj> colocate ..what's that mean?
[12:51] <MrWobz> putting a server into a datacentre
[12:52] <BluesKaj> I understand co-locate but in terms of connections?
[12:55] <BluesKaj> MrWobz, too bad you can't find a router somewhere
[12:55] <MrWobz> BluesKaj paying for a switch is an extra £20 a month,
[12:55] <BluesKaj> or a hub
[12:56] <BluesKaj> without modem
[12:56] <MrWobz> I dont think you understand what Im trying to do, I have 1x 100mb line
[12:56] <MrWobz> only allowed one cable,
[12:57] <MrWobz> so I need to have server one share internet with server two so server two has its own outbound ips
[12:58] <MrWobz> I need one nic to work like a switch
[12:58] <BluesKaj> I suppose I don't ..I picture 3 pcs connected to a router which then feeds the internet modem
[13:00] <BluesKaj> I think I get it , but my experience with configuring server nics is nil
[13:10] <BluesKaj> MrWobz, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/basic-kubuntu-router-dhcp-functioning-what-about-internet-accessk-887816/
[15:10] <velayo> Hi there
[15:11] <BluesKaj> hey
[15:11] <velayo> I'm new to kubuntu and need some help.
[15:11] <jessie> What's up?
[15:12] <BluesKaj> velayo, just ask your question
[15:12] <velayo> I installed precise on my laptop and although its working perfectly, it wont let me set my secondary desktop to : left of
[15:12] <velayo> the main laptop screen
[15:13] <velayo> I can't change the absolute value from the laptops lvds.  My laptop is an HP G62 Ati Vision gpu
[15:16] <BluesKaj> secondary desktop ?
[15:16] <jessie> So you have 2 screens?
[15:18] <BluesKaj> or virtual desktop?
[15:19] <velayo> yes secondary
[15:19] <velayo> vga output
[15:26] <jessie> And you are attempting to do this with the system settings option?
[15:33] <velayo> @jessie yes with the system option
[15:34] <jessie> Interesting. I've never used that to configure my dual screens, so I am not going to be of much help.
[15:34] <unknown__> hey
[15:35] <velayo> what do you use?
[15:37] <velayo> @jessie do you mind telling me how do you configure it?  Is it fidling with xorg settings?
[15:38] <jessie> I use the nvidia-settings tool.
[15:39] <jessie> I use the proprietary Nvidia driver, so the tool works well for me.
[15:40] <unknown__> This ubuntu is pretty cool (Y)
[15:42] <ct529> hi everybody .... I do not seem to be able to migrate all my old emails from 474 to 482 .... when I launch kontact it keeps crashing
[15:44] <velayo> @jessie I tried using the ati config thing but it messes the system's ability to wake from sleep.  The comp actually thinks that there are two monitors conected regardless
[15:45] <ct529> it has started happening since I migrated from 11.04 to 11.10 (kubuntu 11.10 64bit with kde 482 now)
[15:56] <Xabster> Anyone else have problems with skype crashing (stops to respond and needs to be restarted via kill -9 PID) ?
[15:57] <dewar> hello hello. i have a sata hardrive plugged into kde and os is not seeing it when i fdisk -l
[15:57] <BluesKaj> !kmail | ct529
[15:58] <BluesKaj> !info kmail | ct529
[15:58] <genii-around> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot/Final/Kubuntu/Kmail2 has some stuff to try
[15:59] <BluesKaj> hmmm, there used to be a factoid about upgrading kmail and the problems with migratng contacts and eails
[15:59] <BluesKaj> emails
[15:59] <Darkwing> Xabster: Are you using skype from the site or, repositories?
[16:00] <ct529> BluesKaj: thanks but .... wher eis the information? :-)
[16:01] <ct529> Xabster: I solved it by installing the package static
[16:01] <ct529> Xabster: it seems to work
[16:01] <Xabster> Darkwing, i honestly forgot...
[16:02] <Xabster> ct529, package static? what is that?
[16:02] <ct529> Xabster: go to the skype website and download the package that uses the static libraries, not the shared libraries
[16:03] <Darkwing> I've just enabled canonical partners and installed it via apt
[16:04] <BluesKaj> ct529, use genii-around's post above and scroll down to Failed Migration
[16:06] <ct529> BluesKaj: genii-around: yes, this is what I am doing at the moment .... :-)
[16:07] <Xabster> ct529, okay, got it - do you know how i make the extracted executable "look like" it has been installed so that my launcher recognizes it?
[16:09] <henry_> hello
[16:10] <henry_> anybody here
[16:13] <BluesKaj> guess not :)
[16:14] <BluesKaj> BBL
[16:29] <HelenB> How do I find the Window ID of a program?
[16:31] <hispeed88> Hi
[16:33] <hispeed88> someone here :)?
[16:34] <tsimpson> HelenB: open a terminal, type "xwininfo", then click the window you want to know the ID of
[16:34] <lethu> hello hispeed88
[16:34] <lethu> hispeed88, just go on about your question if you have any
[16:35] <hispeed88> no questions yet lethu will begin with using Linux this weekend -> Linux winn :)
[16:36] <lethu> hispeed88, nice, good luck!
[16:37] <hispeed88> thanks yes it will be a long way. After 15 years windows. I have tried once Archlinux but this was a little bit confusing to start-up and now I thought about this step another few years and yesterday I just said.. yes now it's time to begin a switch/move
[16:38] <HelenB> tsimpson: thanks for the reminder :3
[16:38] <lethu> hispeed88, never too late to make the switch ;)
[16:40] <lethu> hispeed88, I suggest you try the livecd environment before installing, one never knows
[16:40] <hispeed88> yes that was my idea i found a good installation guide on a german website (i'm swiss)
[16:40] <lethu> good
[16:41] <HelenB> tsimpson: that's funny though...
[16:41] <HelenB> I got the ID right.
[16:41] <HelenB> I set up the Window behaviour of Quassel to start up minimized. lol
[16:41] <HelenB> and it starts up
[16:41] <HelenB> but not minimized
[16:41] <HelenB> there are no settings for it within quassel.
[16:42] <hispeed88> today i can't start because maybe i have to use this laptop ;=) for streaming a movie on my TV ^^ women visit :D you never know
[16:42] <lethu> HelenB, the id you are supposed to use is "Quassel" not the number series
[16:42] <lethu> hispeed88, :)
[16:42] <HelenB> lethu: I didn't use the number
[16:42] <HelenB> I used Quassel IRC
[16:43] <lethu> HelenB, try just "Quassel"
[16:43]  * HelenB sighs
[16:43] <lethu> brb
[16:44] <HelenB> lethu: is window behaviour case sensative.
[16:44] <HelenB> the Window class decapitalized.
[16:44] <hispeed88> lethu from where are you?
[16:45] <HelenB> okay brb
[16:49] <hispeed88> HelenB back in town
[16:50] <HelenB> oh
[16:50] <HelenB> hispeed88: Eh?
[16:51] <hispeed88> just said that youre welcome back
[16:51] <hispeed88> we used to say that when we were younger :D
[16:51] <hispeed88> my last irc chat is a few years ago
[16:52] <HelenB> kay
[16:52] <HelenB> erm...
[16:52] <HelenB> It's annoying that everytime I log in KDE needs access to the kwallet.
[16:52] <hispeed88> what is kwallet?
[16:52] <tsimpson> so set the password to blank
[16:53] <HelenB> How?
[16:53] <HelenB> It set it to my login pass.
[16:53] <HelenB> How do I blank it?
[16:53] <tsimpson> go into the wallet manager, right-click the wallet, change password
[16:53] <tsimpson> just press OK
[16:54] <HelenB> hispeed88: It's that things that you put your money in! :3
[16:54] <tsimpson> and as for quassel, you can right-click the window title, or press Alt-F3, then go to Advanced -> Special Application Settings
[16:54] <hispeed88> first.. i'm guy and i'm not blonde :D i will see it when i have installed kubuntu
[16:55] <tsimpson> then Size & Position, and check the "Minimized" box, and choose "Apply Initially", and press OK
[16:55] <HelenB> I know
[16:55] <HelenB> I know I know
[16:55] <HelenB> lol
[16:55] <HelenB> I did that ages ago
[16:55] <FloodBotK1> HelenB: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:55] <tsimpson> hispeed88: It's the secure information storage system used in KDE, for passwords, WiFi keys etc
[16:55] <HelenB> FloodBotK1: Ignored.
[16:55] <tsimpson> HelenB: it's a bad idea to ignore the bots
[16:56] <HelenB> tsimpson: They keep highlighting me and it's annoying.
[16:56] <tsimpson> then stop flooding...
[16:57] <HelenB> brb
[17:00] <BluesKaj> she has a habit ..addicted to the enter key
[17:01] <HelenB> What?
[17:02] <HelenB> It failed again :(
[17:02] <BluesKaj> you're ddicted to enter key
[17:02] <BluesKaj> addicted rather
[17:04] <BluesKaj> poor rekonq it's a mess on 1920x1080
[17:05] <ct529> BluesKaj: why?
[17:05] <ct529> BluesKaj: genii-around: it seems to be migrating btw
[17:05] <genii-around> ct529: Good!
[17:35] <hispeed88> can't wait to install kubuntu :D
[17:41] <DarthFrog> No reason to wait.
[17:41] <hispeed88> I do have one
[17:42] <copacetic> I am running Kubuntu 12.04, I just did an update today and restarted my system, I get to the log in screen, but after logging in rather than booting my desktop I just get a black screen, all I can see is my mouse pointer, and it just hangs like that, can someone tell me how to best debug this problem
[17:49] <ScottyK> Greetings! Is there a way for Dolphin to search for files with only a lower case extension (.jpg) instead of upper case (.JPG)?
[17:54] <HelenB> Why wont Kopete work?
[17:54] <HelenB> I click add user and nothing happens.
[17:55] <lethu> HelenB, what protocol are you wishing to use?
[17:56] <HelenB> lethu, IRC if possible. lol
[17:56] <lethu> huh
[17:57] <lethu> don't you have XChat or Quassel already for that?
[17:57] <HelenB> ?
[17:57] <HelenB> lethu, it's annoying
[17:57] <HelenB> on my netbook
[17:57] <HelenB> just tell me
[17:57] <HelenB> how do I add a user?
[17:57] <FloodBotK1> HelenB: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:58] <lethu> HelenB, I have never tried using irc on kopete, sorry :s
[17:58] <lethu> furthermore, Kopete isn't that stable to my knowledge
[17:58] <HelenB> oh
[17:58] <HelenB> hmm okay :3
[17:59] <HelenB> lethu, I'm trying to use a client that is supported by the notification indicator.
[17:59] <HelenB> Quassel was annoying
[17:59] <HelenB> and so is Konversation
[17:59] <lethu> HelenB, you might want to try Pidgin then
[17:59] <tsimpson> will you please just lay off the enter key
[18:00] <tsimpson> use a comma, it's much easier to read
[18:00] <HelenB> lethu, It uses channel tabs but I want channel lists.
[18:01] <HelenB> Also pidgin isn't supported by message indicator.
[18:02] <lethu> HelenB, it is
[18:02] <HelenB> It doesn't say it.
[18:02] <HelenB> I don't want tabs for my channels.
[18:02] <lethu> it shows KDE notifications for me
[18:02] <lethu> mhhh
[18:03] <lethu> HelenB, you could try IRSSI
[18:03] <HelenB> lethu, No because I want lists for the channels.
[18:03] <HelenB> Irssi is an ass to set up.
[18:03] <lethu> lol
[18:04] <HelenB> Also when someone highlights me KDE wont notify me.
[18:04] <lethu> mhhh
[18:06] <BluesKaj> must be tqlking about the irssi gui version
[18:14] <HelenB> lethu, Does pidgin support facebook chat? :o
[18:20] <lethu> HelenB, let me check
[18:21] <lethu> HelenB, yes it does
[18:28] <bazhang> pidgin-facebookchat   HelenB is the package
[18:33] <HelenB> bazhang, Why would I need to install that when I can just install pidgin and configure a facebook account in there?
[19:05] <brad__> random comuter trouble shoot here... people in youtube videos have blue skin, even after restarting the brwser, ideas?
[19:06] <Pici> brad__: right click on the video to get to the flash preferences, and then toggle hardware acceleration.
[19:07] <Pici> You might need to go to fullscreen to do that.
[19:09] <brad__> pici; i disabled hardware acceleration and it worked! what is that btw?
[19:09] <savio> hey i'm having problem while loading opengl driver in desktop effects
[19:09] <savio> anyone help?
[19:09] <Pici> brad__: Has to do with how flash talks to your graphics card.  I haven researched the bugfix myself though, just have seen others get things fixed with that solution.
[19:10] <brad__> pici any reason i should need to turn it back on that you're aware of?
[19:11] <Pici> brad__: Unless you're having really bad problems with dropped frames, you shouldn't need it.
[19:11] <brad__> thanks a lot
[19:11] <Pici> np
[20:39] <waeter> can anyone tell me why i have, or more importantly how to fix the fact that in my grub i'm only showing 3 recovery kernels and a windows partition? :(
[20:49] <Xabster> skype can't figure out my mic because of pulseaudio - anything i need to know?
[21:00] <Angelforget> Kubuntu 4.12 Beta 2 is great compliment to all the staff
[21:01] <jessie> Yeah, so far I am loving it. After the few bugs I had got straightened out, life is now good.
[21:04] <Angelforget> jessie, say that with the latest updates and no bugs then there are only 5 days to official release
[21:28] <graft> so, how do i map a shell command to a keyboard shortcut?
[21:28] <graft> i thought this would be a pizza cake, but i'm drowning in confusing menus
[21:32] <lethu> graft, go to Settings
[21:32] <lethu> system settings*
[21:32] <lethu> then "Shortcuts and Gestures"
[21:33] <graft> you mean the input actions stuff, yeah, i found it
[21:33] <graft> terrible design
[21:33] <graft> and i mean TERRIBLE
[21:33] <lethu> graft, well I didn't have any problem with it
[21:33] <graft> you can use it, sure... it is just really badly designed
[21:33] <lethu> might be a question of taste or something along those lines
[21:34] <graft> like why is the first tab when you click on something "Comment"?
[21:34] <graft> makes no sense
[21:34] <graft> you can call it taste, but to some extent it is just objectively bad
[21:34] <lethu> graft, be glad you have the option to set shortcuts at all
[21:34] <lethu> if you were under Windows for instance you wouldn't even dream of that
[21:35] <lethu> >custom shortcuts
[21:35] <graft> what's your point? that things could be worse?
[21:35] <lethu> graft, exactly
[21:35] <graft> my point is things could be better, so, i guess that's just a difference between us
[21:36] <lethu> graft, then post a suggestion on the KDE community message board and try to contribute
[21:37] <lethu> besides, one can't really complain about *free* stuff...
[21:37] <lethu> let alone free stuff which you can modify or influence
[21:44] <graft> sure, i can do that, and i often do if i feel it would be useful
[21:44] <graft> still, i feel like i have the right to complain if i feel like it... just because it's free doesn't mean i can't have an opinion about it
[21:45] <jessie> How else would it be improved if no one complained?
[21:46] <lethu> well, I have obviously made a mistake, I called your behavior "complaining" whereas it actually was bitching
[21:46] <graft> i guess lethu's point is, complaint is only useful (and therefore allowed) if it's in a forum where it can result in change
[21:46] <maco> hey folks, lets keep it civil
[21:47] <maco> and less with the swearing, yeesh
[21:47] <maco> by which i mean: no swearing
[21:49] <lethu> yeah, well it wasn't me who used such means as HYPERBOLE and redundancy first as if I was touched in my dignity or who knows what else....
[21:49] <lethu> and yes graft, you guessed it right
[21:49] <lethu> you aren't going to make things progress by complaining here
[21:49] <lethu> *here* is merely a support place
[21:50] <lethu> not a feedback collecting one
[21:50] <jussi> graft: bugs.kde.org is th place, preferably with a description of how it should be done.
[22:24] <tiziana> hi
[23:05] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[23:33] <markburberry32> good morning.  Wonder if anyone's about to help me with something - i'm housesitting for a friend, he's let me use his computer which is running something called 12.04 LTS - something just popped up on his machine, I don't know what it is, and I don't want to press it in case I break something.
[23:33] <markburberry32> I should mention, I don't normally use KDE - my own machine at my house runs on Debian 6.0.4
[23:34] <markburberry32> The thing is in the system tray on his taskbar, and it looks like a cogwheel with an arrow pointing downwards in it.


[12:13] <davmor2> ev: how's your monodevelop destruction going
[12:15] <ev> davmor2: I've abandoned it
[12:15] <ev> it was taking too much time to work around things
[12:15] <ev> it's getting there though
[12:16] <ev> a few minor bug fixes and it will be fully usable for me, I think
[12:16] <davmor2> ev: That's good to know at least they are heading in the right direction
[12:18] <ev> yeah
[12:18] <ev> we definitely need something there though
[12:18] <ev> that is, we don't have a development platform as such
[12:18] <ev> expanding on that, we don't have a single place to get developer documentation either
[12:18] <ev> I think these things hurt us


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[18:51] <joey> ooh a webchat system76chick!
[18:51]  * joey likes webchats!
[18:52] <joey> please poke me if I'm asleep
[18:53] <joey> I've just poked some other folks
[19:02] <system76chick> Thanks for joining!
[19:03] <system76chick> How are you?
[19:03] <joey> well it seems that I've been remiss system76chick
[19:03] <joey> let me fix your privs
[19:04] <joey> ah well, system76chick, please go register with nickserv!
[19:04] <joey> so I can give you irc privs
[19:05] <system76chick> I'll have to Google that real quick...
[19:05] <joey> http://www.freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[19:05] <nealmcb> ahh - getting down to the real basis of power in the Colorado Ubuntu Linux Team!  ;)
[19:07] <joey> oops
[19:07] <system76chick> Thanks for being here Neal!
[19:07] <joey> med_: what's your normal IRC nick?
[19:08] <joey> saluton nealmcb!
[19:09] <joey> wow nealmcb... do you realize we started this channel 6 years, 18 weeks, 2 days, 22:01:47 ago?
[19:09] <joey> chanserv info is a wonderful thing
[19:10] <joey> at least that's when we renamed it
[19:10] <joey> I can't remember the original name any more... #colorado-team...#ubuntu-colorado...something
[19:16] <joey> Makyo, I figured you were bored anyway today :-D
[19:17] <Makyo> Code reviews upon code reviews upon code reviews.
[19:17] <joey> just what I like to hear!
[19:19] <joey> ok system76chick, you can now op yourself if you ever need to
[19:20] <joey> and change the topic
[19:20] <joey> etc
[19:22] <system76chick> ok!
[19:27] <FunnyLookinHat> Hello system76chick !
[19:29] <system76chick> I just received my crash course in IRC. Thank you David and Joey!
[19:30] <joey> Glad to be of service
[19:30] <joey> I also did some serious pruning of the ACL
[19:30] <joey> I should probably set verbose on so everyone sees that when I (or someone else) does it
[19:31] <med_> joey, med_ on freenode is my normal.
[19:31] <med_> wassup?
[19:32] <joey> really I thought it was something different med_
[19:32] <joey> like medberry
[19:32] <med_> that's my fullname
[19:32] <med_> and what I originally registered
[19:32] <med_> med_ is an alias
[19:32] <joey> gotcha
[19:32] <med_> but I consider the alias "regular"
[19:32] <med_> I tend to use it more.
[19:32] <nealmcb> Kaj saluton al vi, Jxoi!
[19:33]  * med_ is in Prague atm
[19:33] <med_> on that thing called "vacation".
[19:33] <joey> med_: ah well in 30 minutes system76chick is going to have a meeting! here!
[19:33] <joey> I hear she brought cookies
[19:34] <nealmcb> Lets hope they're opt-in :)
[19:34] <nealmcb> And thanks, system76chick!
[19:34]  * med_ would love some cookies but settles for TRDLO/Trdelník
[19:34] <nealmcb> I just made the first post on http://coloco.ubuntu-rocks.org/ in 16 months....
[19:35] <system76chick> Neal, that's awesome
[19:35] <joey> nice!
[19:35] <joey> Does anyone have access to our FB page? twitter?
[19:36] <Cheri703> Hey folks
[19:36] <system76chick> I manage those. I will share the blog post there now :)
[19:36] <system76chick> Hey Cheri!
[19:36] <med_> hello system76chick
[19:36] <joey> system76chick: nice!
[19:36] <system76chick> Hello med_!
[19:37] <nealmcb> system76chick: Do you have the G+ page also?
[19:37] <system76chick> I do :)
[19:37] <joey> I was just looking at all those pictures!
[19:38] <joey> I seem to be well behind the times
[19:42] <system76chick> I've been busy busy
[19:43] <system76chick> I can't get any attachments uploaded to the wiki though :(
[19:45] <Garheade> Well, system76chick is here, all we need is ian and we can start social media court
[19:45] <system76chick> LoL, Ian won't be joining us today. He's doing an onsite repair in Loveland
[19:46] <JudgeGar> Ugh... Icky day to be driving long distance.
[19:46] <system76chick> We had a great time laughing about that all day in the office.
[19:47] <Garheade> It was entertaining.
[19:49] <Garheade> I was trying to get Ian to clean your desk for you.
[19:49] <system76chick> I ended up cleaning my desk that day. I did get dinner out of it though!
[19:50] <Garheade> Well, theres that.
[20:01] <system76chick> Thank you for joining the Colorado Ubuntu Team meeting today! I wanted to reach out to everyone and see if anyone wanted to contribute to or volunteer for or add to any of the proposed Team Roadmap items listed on our meeting agenda. I can go through some of the items and see who can volunteer.
[20:01] <Cheri703> that was weird
[20:02] <system76chick> silly quassel...
[20:02] <Garheade> It might help to go through the list or a link to it
[20:02] <TonyNoOne> Possibly. I would need to dig up the roadmap again to review.
[20:02] <TonyNoOne> I would certainly be interested in taking a more active role.
[20:03] <decious> is there a link to the roadmap?
[20:03] <system76chick> 1. Post photos and events on the team Wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColoradoTeam
[20:03] <system76chick> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-us-co/768/detail/
[20:03] <system76chick> Agenda: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-us-co/768/detail/
[20:03] <Garheade> Thank you
[20:05] <TonyNoOne> I don't have the chops yet to contribute on a tech level but, I would be down for "outreach" and what not.
[20:05] <TonyNoOne> The Geeks Who Drink events sound fun....just need to stick with root beer, though.
[20:06] <system76chick> TonyNoOne: That's great. Root Beer is tasty! Geeks Who Drink is really fun.
[20:06] <Garheade> I don't mean to be critical but how does GWD help spread and support ubuntu?
[20:06] <Garheade> s/GWD/GHD/
[20:06] <Garheade> er...
[20:07] <system76chick> People ask us about Ubuntu when we go. It's a great networking opportunity
[20:07] <Cheri703> it also helps build community among local members
[20:07] <TonyNoOne> I saw the photos of this week's event.
[20:07] <CoreyM-Denver> I am here to get familiar with this process, not sure how or if I can help just yet.
[20:07] <TonyNoOne> Just the sign alone should prompt questions.
[20:08] <system76chick> The sign's effective and definitely drew attention to us
[20:08] <system76chick> Face Time with your local members is always good too, no matter what you're doing.
[20:09] <TonyNoOne> Agreed.
[20:09] <system76chick> Cheri suggested Ubuntu hours at Panera
[20:09] <TonyNoOne> It's good for me to practice my social skills in front of real people.
[20:09] <system76chick> lol
[20:09] <Garheade> I ask only because, the other day, on CLUE, one person was talking about starting their own because GWD turned them off.
[20:09] <TonyNoOne> How so?
[20:09] <Cheri703> clue?
[20:09] <Garheade> Colorado Linux Users and Enthusiasts
[20:10] <joey> Another idea would be to interact with the local LUGs (again) and let them know that there is a local Ubuntu community. We could offer to have some folks join their install fests for example.
[20:10] <CoreyM-Denver> I like Joey's idea
[20:10] <system76chick> I think having a variety of events in different places is great, and people can pick and choose. I like Joey's idea too
[20:11] <TonyNoOne> I would be down for that, as well!
[20:11] <joey> (another = in addition to)
[20:11] <Cheri703> What the ohio team did was to have "ReLoCos" "really/regional local communities" which held ubuntu hours in various parts of the state, just basically one person committed to being at a panera during a certain time at least once a month, and other ubuntu folks could come hang out
[20:11] <joey> that's a catchy name!
[20:11] <Garheade> I like the ubuntu hours idea.
[20:12] <system76chick> Does anyone want to volunteer for hosting an Ubuntu hour in April?
[20:13] <joey> Something else that might be effective would be to run a free ad in some of the university news papers for an upcoming release party (for example). "Hey, did you know Colorado has it's own Ubuntu Local Community team? Come join us at X to celebrate the Release of Y!"
[20:13] <Cheri703> the ideal is to eventually have a set time at least once per month so we can put it on the website/wiki and new people can go find it without having to wonder/worry if the time/schedule is up to date.
[20:13] <joey> might be able to pull in folks that way
[20:13] <joey> where I'm going with this is outreach
[20:13] <TonyNoOne> I do think a monthly event is a good idea.
[20:13] <joey> We converted 3 or 4 schools that way to Ubuntu
[20:13] <TonyNoOne> Whether it's Ubuntu specific or...
[20:13] <joey> (sorry I'm drifting off topic a bit)
[20:14] <TonyNoOne> ...if we had an Ubuntu precense at existing events.
[20:14] <Cheri703> I think both would be positive
[20:15] <Cheri703> because while yes, other linux users might have interest in ubuntu, many ubuntu users won't give any ...cares about arch or fedora or whatever else.
[20:15] <TonyNoOne> I would be willing to setup an April "Ubuntu Hour".
[20:16] <TonyNoOne> Is there a reason why it would be at Panera?
[20:16] <system76chick> TonyNoOne: That's great! No, anywhere you'd like
[20:16] <TonyNoOne> OK. I'll put that on my to do list and get it done.
[20:16] <TonyNoOne> Likely the end of tghe month, though.
[20:17] <Cheri703> generally panera was what we chose in ohio because: free wifi, lots of food/drink options that range in price, so people have choices, comfy seating
[20:17] <TonyNoOne> Did you get with the Panera folks or just descend upon them?
[20:17] <joey> We've done lots at Panera here over the years
[20:17] <Cheri703> if you can find somewhere else that has choices *other* than just coffee and sugary sweets, that'd be ideal. :)
[20:17] <John___> Panera wifi is limited during lunch hour to half-hour.  I think the exact hours are 11 to 1:30.
[20:17] <joey> including that place FunnyLookinHat found that was not on any map
[20:17] <TonyNoOne> There are other choices?
[20:17] <Garheade> Normally I would step up to help but I'm traveling to North West Linux Fest end of the month.
[20:17] <Cheri703> nope, just showed up. I mean, we often didn't have more than like 6 people, so yeah
[20:17] <Cheri703> if we had like 17 people, then probably a good call to check with them
[20:18] <TonyNoOne> Makes sense.
[20:18] <joey> if someone plans something near Longmont I'll commit to showing up
[20:18] <system76chick> If you want to let us know a day/time/place in an email, we can add it to the wiki
[20:18] <Garheade> You could look at local hackespaces. Denhac Concotory Tinkermill
[20:18] <TonyNoOne> Will do.
[20:18] <TonyNoOne> joey, I may try to set up a couple...
[20:18] <Cheri703> Yeah, volunteers all over the place! That's the idea of the really/regional (depending on who you asked) local communities. So people don't have to drive 2 hours to sit and chat
[20:19] <TonyNoOne> One in the Denver area, one in Boulder Co.
[20:19] <joey> Garheade: those would be good places. Mar Mar's Concotory would be terrible for my liver though
[20:19] <TonyNoOne> If things go well, I could likely handle that a couple times a month.
[20:19] <system76chick> That would be great
[20:20] <TonyNoOne> Like I said, I need the practice...
[20:20] <TonyNoOne> ...or so my wife tells me.
[20:20] <system76chick> I think we have the Ubuntu Hours taken care of for April. Thank you TonyNoOne for volunteering.
[20:20] <TonyNoOne> No sweat
[20:20] <Cheri703> the beauty of it is that *everyone* is at least somewhat geeky, and everyone has something in common. :)
[20:21] <Cheri703> if anyone in other place (ft collins, springs, wherever else (I am relatively new to the state, I have no concept of where stuff is)) wants to plan others, that's ok too! (just in case people figure "oh, other ones are happening elsewhere, I shouldn't plan one for my location)
[20:21] <Cheri703> *places
[20:22] <Makyo> Yeah, I think a Fort Collins one would be good.  CSU is all Fedora/Windows, but it'd be good to get some exposure out there.
[20:23] <Makyo> (There's also Cohere, a coworking place in town)
[20:23] <TonyNoOne> Any examples of Ubuntu Hour topics?
[20:23] <TonyNoOne> Any format?
[20:23] <system76chick> Yes, doing them everywhere is full of win! Just make sure to let the mailing list know so we can promote accordingly
[20:24] <joey> Another idea I had was that doing a special event to teach people how to develop apps for the Ubuntu phone (and/or Ubuntu) would be good. I don't do that myself so it couldn't be me.
[20:24] <joey> I find that specialty events like that draw people out
[20:24] <joey> They don't always care for the social aspects but really want to learn something new
[20:24] <Makyo> joey, We might want to hit up jcastro about charmschool, too, if we want to get some of the enterprise side.
[20:24] <joey> yeah
[20:24] <TonyNoOne> Qt is cross platform, too, so that could draw people in.
[20:25] <joey> charmschool, quickly, etc
[20:25] <Cheri703> topics are usually "hang out and whatever"
[20:25] <TonyNoOne> I know how to hang out AND how to whatever.
[20:25] <Cheri703> but you can expand on that as desired. :)
[20:25] <joey> right. we need something to draw folks away from Elder Scrolls Online
[20:25] <TonyNoOne> This will be easy!
[20:25] <Cheri703> perfect!
[20:26] <system76chick> Awesome
[20:26] <system76chick> Another outreach idea that would be helpful is CD Distribution. I don't know when ours will arrive, but it should be before the end of the month.
[20:27] <TonyNoOne> It may be helpful to have CDs at events for noobs and the curious.
[20:27] <Garheade> I can take the CD's to CLUE, SFS Classes and the like but most of these people already know how to get their hands on it.
[20:27] <system76chick> If anyone is willing to take a stack and pass them out locally, maybe at libraries or on campus, that would be great.
[20:27] <joey> and one of those nice iMac style System76 all-in-ones
[20:27] <Makyo> system76chick, +1
[20:28] <system76chick> we'll be sure to throw a couple of those in the stack as well Joey
[20:28]  * joey laughs
[20:28] <Makyo> Would be nice to have them at Gophercon, too, April 24-26
[20:28] <TonyNoOne> The only people I see are coworkers and they're all Apple fanatics.
[20:28] <Makyo> There should be a bunch of us there.
[20:28] <TonyNoOne> Ain't gettin' anywhere with 'em.
[20:28] <Makyo> Me, hatch, arosales, hazmat, six others, I think.
[20:29] <nealmcb> Oh yeah - meeting now.....
[20:29] <system76chick> Please email me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>directly so we can make a time and place so I can get the CDs to you.
[20:30] <Cheri703> alright folks, I have to head out but I'll read the logs when I get back.
[20:30] <system76chick> Thanks for the great input, Cheri!
[20:31] <system76chick> Does anyone want to volunteer to post on the Ubuntu Rocks Blog?
[20:32] <John___> I would be up for that or the wiki.
[20:34] <nealmcb> cds => lug
[20:34] <joey> system76chick: if you find someone who is good at graphic design, I think my waaaaay out of date CoLoCo logo needs to be redone. And I think it should be refreshed so we can get a shirt order going
[20:34] <system76chick> John__: That's fantastic!
[20:34] <joey> system76chick: the company that did the previous shirt order is out of business
[20:35] <joey> system76chick: but I have lead one another company that does great work (we used them to make our Disaster shirts)
[20:35] <Makyo> joey, system76chick we've had good luck with teespring
[20:35] <Makyo> Oh, that works!
[20:35] <system76chick> I have good connections for T-shirts, but not graphic design
[20:35] <joey> Polos
[20:35] <joey> :-)
[20:35] <joey> Need the collar to look professional
[20:35] <system76chick> Fancy
[20:36] <TonyNoOne> Professional? I wouldn't even know where to begin.
[20:36] <system76chick> Lol
[20:36] <system76chick> with a polo...
[20:36] <Makyo> And plaid shorts.
[20:36] <joey> we could also do up a conference badge.... like the one I did for Ubuntu Hams
[20:36] <TonyNoOne> ...mmmmm....I might look good in plaid shorts.
[20:37] <Makyo> Have an example, joey ?
[20:37] <joey> scroll down to the badges  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHams
[20:37] <joey> When we used to have physical UDSes we would wear these smaller badges above our conference badge
[20:37] <joey> and people would come and ask us about it
[20:37] <system76chick> I like that idea!
[20:37] <joey> so if you're at Plumbers or gophercon... Ubuntu people can find each other
[20:37] <Makyo> Oh, awsome
[20:38] <CoreyM-Denver> i like the polo idea myself, looks much nicer, but they wont be cheap
[20:38] <Makyo> I like the badges.  Will wear my canonical/ubuntu lanyard, too.  Another good bit of swag to add recognition
[20:38] <nealmcb> ...That is, I'd love some CDs to bring to a future Linux Users Group meeting (2nd Thursday at Applied Trust, with free beer and pizza, 11th and Walnut in Boulder :) http://lug.boulder.co.us/)
[20:39] <joey> the last order was $15 a shirt.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColoradoTeam/Tshirts
[20:39] <system76chick> Neal, I will get you some once they arrive
[20:39] <joey> I got 3 and wore them everywhere :-)
[20:39] <Makyo> Oh, hey, there's a NoCo one too http://nclug.org/
[20:39] <nealmcb> system76chick: Thanks!
[20:40] <TonyNoOne> I, too, would certainly order a shirt.
[20:40] <Garheade> I would order two or three shirts
[20:40] <Makyo> Several here, too.
[20:40] <system76chick> Yes, shirts would be fantastic. Our whole office would probably sport them
[20:41] <joey> Maybe someone could volunteer to start a new shirt page on the wiki
[20:41] <system76chick> John__?
[20:41] <joey> and we could do some soft commits for numbers
[20:41] <joey> and then finish up the design
[20:41] <John___> Sure, I could start a new shirt page.
[20:41] <system76chick> Awesome!
[20:44] <TonyNoOne> Yes. Awesome indeed.
[20:44] <system76chick> Team, we've covered a lot of ground today, I appreciate everyone's participation!
[20:44] <joey> system76chick: I just sent you a pic of the old shirts so you have it for reference
[20:44] <system76chick> Cool, thanks
[20:44] <TonyNoOne> Glad to do it. I will use the mailing list to let you know what I come up with,
[20:45] <system76chick> Great! If anyone else plans Ubuntu hours or Linux meetups, please let us know so we can share them!
[20:46] <system76chick> Does anyone have any other agenda items to discuss?
[20:46] <joey> system76chick: I just sent you my polo supplier
[20:47] <joey> $12.75 for a polo
[20:47] <system76chick> awesome
[20:47] <joey> it'll be a little less thick than the original ones
[20:47] <joey> but someone can have a look and maybe select a better variety
[20:47] <system76chick> cool
[20:48] <CoreyM-Denver> i like the sounds of that
[20:48] <joey> if folks want the conference badges, we can start a signup for that and I can go talk to Rick to see if he is willing to do it and for how much
[20:48] <joey> We probably will want a refreshed logo for both the polos and the badge
[20:49] <joey> or
[20:49] <joey> simply use the Ubuntu logo
[20:49] <system76chick> Let's send a message out to the mailing list to see if anyone can volunteer for the graphic
[20:49] <system76chick> or that idea too!
[20:49] <joey> I have to admit I really like the logo in the flag idea but I'm biased
[20:50] <CoreyM-Denver> +1 Joey
[20:50] <system76chick> I think it's super cool... but the solid color of the Ubuntu logo is a must... it will look much better
[20:50] <system76chick> I bet I could GIMP something up
[20:50] <joey> Yep. On Ubuntu.com there are full res files of the logo that can be used as part of the process
[20:51] <joey> http://design.ubuntu.com/brand
[20:52] <joey> and for the log, when we kicked off the loco team I got blanket permission to remix the logo
[20:52] <joey> from Canonical
[20:53] <joey> although I'm not sure I can find that email if you ask me to
[20:53] <system76chick> haha, I'm sure it will be fine
[20:54] <joey> I think I've added more work the plate instead of what you set out to do system76chick
[20:54] <system76chick> it's fun work :)
[20:55] <system76chick> Team, does anyone have any other main topics to discuss? I think we have a great April ahead of us.
[20:56] <nealmcb> Why prefer the solid color logo vs the earlier 3-color one?  I like our current logo :)
[20:56] <system76chick> I will send out a summary of our meeting and the wonderful volunteers who are taking on some team tasks. I really appreciate everyone's support!
[20:59] <system76chick> I think the colors would blend better with a single color logo
[21:00] <nealmcb> I'm no color expert (colorblind :), and imagine it would be easier to find a background to go with a single color logo.  But the symbolism of the earlier one is nice
[21:02] <joey> well, because it's not the Ubuntu logo anymore :-)
[21:02] <joey> it's still the circle of friends
[21:03] <joey> although to old timers like me it probably is and always will be THE definitive Ubuntu logo
[21:03] <system76chick> yes, I can understand that
[21:03] <joey> I agree with system76chick that the new logo will look better on things.
[21:03] <joey> it certainly looks better on my things
[21:03] <system76chick> Especially if we'll be doing T-shirts and badges
[21:09] <nealmcb> Good points  :)
[21:42] <joey> nealmcb: also, we're broncos fans
[21:42] <joey> nealmcb: orange on blue :-)
[22:14] <Cheri703> Joey, just saw the ubuntu hams link (just got back home) I have my license but no radio at this point >_< so probably not a good addition, but figured I'd mention it. :)
[22:15] <joey> no radio!
[22:15] <joey> You can get a dual-bander on Amazon.com for $35!
[22:15] <joey> a lot of folks have moved to DMR (digital). Harder to program but even those are $180
[22:15] <Cheri703> huh, I hadn't checked amazon
[22:15] <Cheri703> I just have technician class
[22:16] <Cheri703> always meant to go for general, but never got around to it. last month was ...13 years? I think from when I got my license
[22:16] <joey> http://smile.amazon.com/BaoFeng-Dual-Band-Improved-Stronger-Enhanced/dp/B00C83AU9S/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1396563374&sr=8-3&keywords=baofeng
[22:16] <joey> and the DMR one is http://www.rmham.org/wordpress/new-dmr-portable-radio-available-for-ham-and-commercial-use
[22:17] <joey> you have to call to get the $180 price
[22:17] <joey> I'm one of the 3 guys who maintains the backbone for RMHAM... and we use a mix of Ubuntu and CentOS machiens
[22:17] <joey> well there are a few more than 3 but only us 3 have logins everywhere and fix stuff regularly
[22:18] <Cheri703> I don't even know anything about the dmr stuff
[22:18] <Cheri703> it has been a WHILE since I did anything with it
[22:19] <joey> There is also D-STAR and we have that here too. I run two of the boxes plus do the state health check
[22:19] <joey> (dstar.nv0n.net)
[22:19] <joey> Tech is good for everything except wanting to do HF
[22:20] <joey> since the code requirement has been dropped a lot of folks have been able to upgrade since it's just studying a book
[22:21] <Cheri703> yeah, I just haven't prioritized it :/
[22:21] <joey> Yeah if you don't have anyone that you like talking to there is not a lot of motivation
[22:21] <joey> but now you know me!
[22:22]  * joey laughs
[22:23] <Cheri703> haha, true! I haven't listened in at all in CO, this was in fairly rural ohio last time I had a radio
[22:23] <Cheri703> do we know what the difference between the "5r" and "5ra" are on that amazon listing?
[22:35] <system76chick> Signing out for the day guys... Thank you so much for all your support and ideas today! Have a great night!


[04:20] <mappps> quite fond of ths the strain
[04:20] <mappps> anupne else watch?
[04:47] <mappps> hmm need to find some good films last few have been rubbish
[04:57] <mappps> noone awake?!
[05:02] <Myrtti> just considering going to bed myself
[05:03] <mappps> O_o
[05:04] <mappps> what you been doin all night
[05:04] <Myrtti> it's just past 22 here
[05:05] <mappps> oh
[05:05] <mappps> 7am here=]
[05:05] <Myrtti> I know
[05:06] <Myrtti> trip is coming to an end soon, back to good old Blighty on Sunday
[05:06] <Myrtti> but tomorrow is sea otters!
[05:06] <Myrtti> so excited
[05:06] <mappps> nice
[05:06] <mappps> where?
[05:06] <Myrtti> Monterey Aquarium
[05:07] <mappps> cool:D
[05:08] <mappps> sounds fun;]
[05:09] <mappps> i used to have a season pass to the aquarium in portsmouth;D
[05:10] <Myrtti> I'm at this level of excitement: https://instagram.com/p/6ZLGrmIEwg/
[05:11] <mappps> ;D
[05:43] <knightwise> morning
[05:43] <mappps> morning;]
[05:43] <knightwise> Damn :( . Synology cloud station doesnt appear to work on my ubuntu machine
[05:44] <knightwise> downloaded the deb file from their site , installed it , and the first couple of reboots it syncs and works fine
[05:44] <mappps> wathed 2 eps of the strain now murder in the first
[05:44] <knightwise> then the icon disappears from the taskbar and the whole thing stops syncing
[05:44] <mappps> hm that sucks
[05:45] <knightwise> Damn :( I sync my work folders using that app
[05:49] <mappps> what is it synolog cloud station
[05:49] <knightwise> its kinda like a dropbox service but for your synology NAS folders
[06:20] <knightwise> hmm.. reinstalled it . hope it works now.
[07:28] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:01] <MooDoo> wow didn't realise I owned the first Ubuntu UK team on launchpad - better close that one then :D - https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-united-kingdom
[08:01] <MooDoo> Ubuntu United Kingdom
[08:06] <MooDoo> still makes me smile that I've been on launchpad since 2006
[08:07] <davmor2> MooDoo: 2005-09-12
[08:08] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:09] <MooDoo> davmor2: that your launchpad creation date?
[08:10] <davmor2> MooDoo: Yeap
[08:10] <davmor2> MooDoo: member since
[08:13] <MooDoo> nice, still not done enough for Ubuntu to become a member
[08:15] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:15] <bashrc> morning
[08:18] <brobostigon> morning bashrc
[08:33] <davmor2> diddledan_: let see what you make of this mornings head song :)
[13:30] <trrfdkgsakdl> Is this a supprot channel?
[13:30] <popey> sure
[13:30] <trrfdkgsakdl> Why do we need uk-specific support channels wtf
[13:30] <popey> well, it's not uk specific
[13:30] <popey> it's a team channel
[13:30] <trrfdkgsakdl> Why is it -uk then?
[13:30] <popey> the official support channel is #ubuntu
[13:30] <popey> because most of us are from the UK
[13:30] <trrfdkgsakdl> I don't get it
[13:30] <popey> it's a team channel
[13:30] <popey> not a dedicated support channel
[13:31] <trrfdkgsakdl> wtf is a team channel?
[13:31] <popey> a channel used by a team of people
[13:31] <popey> to.. uh.. communicate
[13:31] <trrfdkgsakdl> I wanted to ask how can I book holiday in the UK if it is for after my job is due to end
[13:31] <trrfdkgsakdl> Because I have accrued holiday days
[13:32] <trrfdkgsakdl> But I want to go in November, but my job will end in october
[13:32] <trrfdkgsakdl> So how do I?
[13:32] <Knightwork> so .. what does this have to do with Ubuntu  ?:)
[13:32] <popey> Ask your employer?
[13:32] <popey> Knightwork: there's a lot we talk about here that's nothing to do with ubuntu :)
[13:32] <Knightwork> afternoon popey , good podcast show again.
[13:32] <trrfdkgsakdl> popey:Okay, good idea
[13:32] <Knightwork> popey: that is true
[13:32] <popey> Knightwork: thanks
[13:33]  * popey notes Knightwork isn't from the UK :)
[13:33]  * Knightwork is Belgian ! :)
[13:33] <trrfdkgsakdl> What Linux distribution does David Cameron use?
[13:33] <popey> He seems like a RHEL kinda guy to me.
[13:34] <trrfdkgsakdl> Is there a Linux distribution for users who hate poor people?
[13:34] <popey> probably.
[13:35] <popey> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions
[13:35]  * czajkowski is irish
[13:35] <bashrc> Ubuntu satanic edition?
[13:35] <czajkowski> fun nice friendly channel
[13:35] <trrfdkgsakdl> Does anyone else sometimes feel a lot of distributions are pointless?
[13:36] <Knightwork> bashrc: believe it or not .. i used it on my EEEPc
[13:36] <Knightwork> it wasnt bad !
[13:36] <trrfdkgsakdl> When they are just a mainstream distro with a few different default packages and artwork
[13:36] <trrfdkgsakdl> knightwise:What's the point when you could just use Ubuntu and install Satanic artwork?
[13:36] <Knightwork> trrfdkgsakdl: I was a noob at the time and wanted to try something new :) + they had a nice spin for the EEEpc
[13:37] <trrfdkgsakdl> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJYGddE0vHc
[13:37] <trrfdkgsakdl> knightwise:I have an EeePC
[13:37] <trrfdkgsakdl> One of the old ones
[13:37] <popey> kinda wish i still had my 701
[13:37] <trrfdkgsakdl> I still have my 901
[13:37]  * Knightwork still has his
[13:37] <trrfdkgsakdl> popey:Why did you get rid of your 701?
[13:38] <popey> i quite liked the distro it came with
[13:38] <popey> sold it
[13:38] <popey> i had two, sold one, one broke iirc
[13:38] <czajkowski> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-33989384 ohh how weird!
[13:38] <popey> blame Knightwork
[13:47] <bashrc> divine retribution?
[13:53] <trrfdkgsakdl> You can't run from heaven
[14:33] <diddledan_> ello
[14:33] <nucc1> y'ello
[14:36] <diddledan_> I wonder what that 0.000001% of data amounts to in MB/GB
[14:36] <nucc1> NaN
[14:37] <diddledan_> (referencing czajkowski's link)
[14:38] <MooDoo> ello
[14:39] <diddledan_> m00
[14:39] <MooDoo> 0.000001% of (1 megabyte) =
[14:39] <MooDoo> 0.01 bytes
[14:39] <diddledan_> MooDoo: yeah but how many megabytes does google have in it's belgian datacentre
[14:40] <davmor2> you'd think they would have lightning rods really wouldn't you
[14:41] <nucc1> of course they do :)
[14:41] <nucc1> but they were struck 4 times
[14:43] <MooDoo> diddledan_: well looking at the US each DC has beetween 40 and 400+ thoousand sservers
[14:43] <MooDoo> so then think about if each server had 1TB drives in it, etc etc etc
[14:44] <MooDoo> no one apart from google knows how many servers exactly
[14:46] <nucc1> diddledan_: this is why i said NaN :p
[14:53] <shauno> I was led to believe they multihomed so much that no data should be unique to one DC.  but apparently not!
[14:53] <diddledan_> shauno: yeah I was surprised by that too
[14:54] <nucc1> my impression is that the data was lost was the data that hadn't been replicated yet, which would explain why it is such a small percentage
[15:36] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[19:15] <webpigeon> o/
[19:17] <webpigeon> oo someone is having connection related troubles
[19:17] <zmoylan-pi> hokey cokey wifi
[19:18] <webpigeon> you put the irc user in, the irc user out, in, out?
[19:18] <zmoylan-pi> looks like it
[19:35]  * diddledan_ shakes it all about. then gets told-off for indecent exposure
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> shake it off, shake it off
[19:41] <diddledan_> MartijnVdS: is that better or worse than pulling it off?
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> diddledan_: depends on your goal I guess
[21:32] <diddledan_> ooh, new beta build of win10
[21:32] <shauno> joy?
[21:33] <diddledan_> not much different according to the blog post
[21:33] <shauno> it still installs windows like the last one?
[21:33] <diddledan_> the most visible thing is apparently the ability to select what to apply the "hint colour" to (taskbar, window borders etc)
[21:34] <diddledan_> it comes via windows update but I've not installed it yet
[21:35] <diddledan_> lookee like it's ready tho. so. *clicks reboob*
[21:35] <daftykins> yay colours!
[21:36] <diddledan> right. that's whirring now
[21:54] <diddledan> shauno: it's doing the pulsing circle upgrade method like the initial win10 upgrade (or for insiders on each of the original prerelease builds)
[21:55] <shauno> fancy
[21:55] <shauno> (never tried those either)
[22:14] <brobostigon> my gf is having issues with IOS, so i am ignoring, populerist, but ultimatly fashionable OS's, like microsoft windows.
[22:15] <brobostigon> fashionable = pop music
[22:16] <daftykins> what's it doing, brobostigon ?
[22:16] <daftykins> or not as the case may be
[22:17] <brobostigon> daftykins: itunes music syncing, apparently.
[22:19] <brobostigon> daftykins: my suggestion was, we export all her music to freedom music, and free her up of the mad apple'ness.
[22:19] <daftykins> ;)
[22:19] <shauno> you should get her to give all her data to the biggest advertising agency in town, seems to work for everyone else ;)
[22:20] <daftykins> does that mean a streaming service?
[22:21] <diddledan> IOS is cisco's router operating system
[22:21] <diddledan> I think you might mean iOS
[22:21]  * brobostigon walks up to shauno and spanks him. but ultimatly agrees with his statement.
[22:21] <diddledan> :-p
[22:23] <diddledan> brobostigon: how does having issues with a iPWN make you ignore windows?
[22:23] <diddledan> methinks that's orthogonal
[22:24] <brobostigon> diddledan: because they are both, popularist, but ultimatly pointless OS's.
[22:24] <diddledan> oic. associative disorder
[22:25] <diddledan> well I'm 44% through on re-selling my soul
[22:26]  * brobostigon is using haiku, so he is heavenly.
[22:26] <diddledan> I've lost count of how many times I've sold my soul now. the problem is I'm actually just getting deeper into soul-debt because I never paid off the first time and subsequent times are just incremental loans
[22:26] <zmoylan-pi> try rent-a-soul :-)
[22:27] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: I went with the bargain-basement rent-a-sole
[22:27] <shauno> they actually take your shoes back when you're done with them?  eww
[22:27] <diddledan> I didn't quite achieve my ambitions through that enterprise
[22:27] <diddledan> shauno: like bowling alleys
[22:30]  * brobostigon would have ultimatly been happy, in designing the perfect workstation with BeOS, however haiku changed this, and still wants the perfect, mulri'procession workstation.
[22:30] <brobostigon> multi*
[22:31] <brobostigon> multi'processing*
[22:32] <diddledan> I don't actually know anything about beos other than it was supposed to be awesome for multimedia
[22:32] <brobostigon> BeOS*
[22:32] <shauno> from what I gather, it's pretty much nirvana for people who want to be the underdog
[22:32] <diddledan> :-p
[22:34] <zmoylan-pi> i thought that was os/2 :-)
[22:35]  * brobostigon thinks haiku is the best designed OS ever, its perfection.
[22:35] <shauno> that's because you're still in the 80s ;)
[22:41] <diddledan> so how many hands do I need to count the power-of-two of the number of haiku users?
[22:41] <diddledan> 1?
[22:42] <diddledan> </troll. in case that wasn't obvious>
[22:43]  * brobostigon resorts to spanking diddledan aswell, for jokes like that,
[22:44] <diddledan> ooh, yeah baby, harder! :-D
[22:44] <brobostigon> :)
[22:44]  * diddledan notices the second link in the topic. what are IR Clogs?
[22:45] <diddledan> hint: I'm a moron
[22:46] <diddledan> speaking of which, have you found jesus?
[22:46] <zmoylan-pi> in a mexican phone book
[22:47] <diddledan> http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Have_828167_352060.jpg
[22:47] <brobostigon> that reminds me, is the pope really catholic, or just plain bat nutty?
[22:47] <diddledan> lol
[22:47] <diddledan> popey: well?
[22:48] <shauno> are the two mutually exclusive?
[22:48] <brobostigon> does the pope have bat wings?
[22:48] <diddledan> shauno: you'd hope so. I really don't want to know what a bat nutty catholic is likely to say
[22:49] <brobostigon> :)
[22:49] <shauno> I dunno man.  9 years in Ireland, I could probably take a good guess :p
[22:49] <diddledan> that's like nuts^2


[03:59] <DirtyEar> Hi, is there anybody?
[04:03] <DirtyEar> I recorded a video with the date and the hour. When I import the videos to my ubuntustudio I can see the info in the video, but when I try to edit the video, the date and hour just gone. I need that info in my video but everytime and every program I've been used, does'n show that info. What I have to do in order to keep that info in the video?
[04:03] <DirtyEar> I have tried Pitivi, Kdenlive and openshot
[14:22] <DirtyEar> Hi.
[14:23] <DirtyEar> I am working on a video in my ubuntustudio, but I have some problem, somediby can help me?
[14:23] <DirtyEar> somebody*
[14:25] <DirtyEar> I recorded a video with date and hour, but when I import the video to pitivi or kdenlive or openshot, that info desapear and I do not know what I have to do in order to keep that info in the video, anybody knows what I have to do?
[14:27] <aleb> DirtyEar: if you file a feature request, we could see what we can do about it: https://phabricator.freedesktop.org/tag/pitivi
[14:28] <aleb> be as detailed as possible, and maybe attach a video file example
[14:30] <aleb> DirtyEar: I'm not at my workstation now. You could click Effects and search for "time" - I see GStreamer has a timeoverlay plugin.
[14:30] <DirtyEar> Thanks aleb
[14:31] <DirtyEar> What you say is to try on pitivi, look for effects>time
[14:31] <DirtyEar> right?
[14:31] <aleb> yes
[14:32] <DirtyEar> Thanks. I'll try
[14:34] <DirtyEar> Ok. I found "Timeout Indicator
[14:35] <DirtyEar> But it doesn-t anything
[14:36] <DirtyEar> When I see the video from the library, it shows the time, but when I add the video to the timeline and play de preview, it doesn't show the time
[14:47] <DirtyEar> Thanks aleb, but that effect doesn't show the date and hour
[14:49] <aleb> ok, thanks for checking. If you file a feature request we can look into using the "timeoverlay" plugin.
[14:49] <aleb> so the functionality is available through an effect
[14:57] <DirtyEar> I don't understand you, excuse me aleb
[15:00] <DirtyEar> I recorded the video with the info. The file is .mts and when I see the file in Parole, the video shows date and hour. When I import the video to any software that info doesn't appear
[15:01] <DirtyEar> I've been try with pitivi, openshot and kdenlive, but any of those shows that info
[15:01] <DirtyEar> Is there any way to import the video with that information, I mean, date and time?
[15:02] <aleb> DirtyEar: I mean if you file a feature request at https://phabricator.freedesktop.org/tag/pitivi (look for "create task"), we can add this feature. It might be something easy in which case we'll implement it soon.
[15:03] <aleb> But we need for example a file so we can test that it works..
[15:03] <aleb> I'm talking about Pitivi, I don't know about the others.
[15:03] <DirtyEar> How can I do that?
[15:04] <aleb> you have to register and then you can click "create task"
[15:04] <aleb> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/lGxIfFaG/Screen%20Shot%202017-07-26%20at%2017.04.08.png
[15:04] <aleb> bbl
[15:05] <DirtyEar> Ok I already registered
[15:06] <DirtyEar> I'm on new task.
[15:06] <DirtyEar> I have to upload the file in order you test the new feature to design?