[00:04] <IntuitiveNipple> ahhh, temporary issue... reboot of the VM solved it
[02:04] <histo> There is a bug with compiz right now and nvidia
[02:04] <histo> Just kill compiz.real and you can get in.
[02:05] <histo> ctrl+alt+F1 killall compiz.real   then CTRL+ALT+F7 and log in.
[02:41] <histo> wow very little activity on this channel for this release?
[02:41] <histo> are we losing that many users?
[02:41] <maco> is dinner on the US west coast, and bedtime on the east coast
[02:42] <maco> and "kids, do your homework that's due monday!" time all across the US
[02:42] <maco> and its way past bedtime for europe
[02:48] <histo> I've just never seen this channel so slow with a release at this stage.
[02:48] <histo> hell even the ubuntu channel is slow
[02:49] <|syockit|> it's monday morning in east side of the globe
[02:54] <danbhfive> !schedule
[03:42] <Chriz212> Hi ya people =)
[03:43] <Chriz212> how can i restore grub from usb?, i installed windows 7 after jaunty =\
[03:49] <|syockit|> Chriz212: mount your root partition somewhere (eg /mnt/ubuntu), mount boot inside the root (eg /mnt/ubuntu/boot)
[03:49] <|syockit|> *boot partition
[03:50] <|syockit|> Chriz212: i wish I could show you a good page on that
[03:51] <|syockit|> Chriz212: try http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351
[03:52] <Chriz212> |syockit|i am outta cds =(
[03:52] <Chriz212> i need to uuse usb =\
[03:52] <|syockit|> no, it's for livecd/liveusb all sorts
[03:52] <|syockit|> Chriz212: do you have liveusb?
[03:53] <Chriz212> liveusb?
[03:53] <|syockit|> as long as you can boot, you can fix
[03:53] <Chriz212> i should be able to boot my usb =)
[03:53] <|syockit|> does it have a shell?
[03:53] <|syockit|> ubuntu shell of course
[03:54] <Chriz212> i am on windows 7 =\
[03:54] <Chriz212> the usb drive i blank....
[03:54] <Chriz212> is*
[03:54] <|syockit|> okay, if it's at least 1gb, then use unetbootin to install livecd on it
[03:55] <|syockit|> http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[03:56] <Chriz212> woot brb 3hours....
[03:57] <Chriz212> gotta dl ubuntu....
[04:02] <|syockit|> If I only knew a smaller distro with the tools needed...
[04:02] <|syockit|> maybe DSL was good enough
[04:12] <centaur5> !blueprints
[04:55] <john_> hello all
[04:55] <john_> how can you recover ubuntu when it is booting only to (initramfs), can anyone help please please please
[05:02] <FFForever> how do i regenerate my config for grub to add windows 7?
[05:07] <kab> FFForever, boot with your ubuntu cd
[05:07] <kab> open a terminal
[05:07] <kab> do sudo
[05:07] <kab> sudo su -
[05:07] <kab> mount your ubuntu root partition
[05:07] <kab> example
[05:07] <kab> if your partition is /dev/sda3
[05:07] <kab> mkdir /media/sda3
[05:08] <FFForever> kab i am already in ubuntu =)
[05:08] <kab> mount /dev/sda3 /media/sda3
[05:08] <kab> bind your dev and proc in /media/sda3
[05:08] <kab> cd /media/sda3
[05:08] <FFForever> how do i add run the grub auto configuration?
[05:08] <kab> mount -t proc proc proc
[05:08] <kab> then mount your dev
[05:09] <kab> mount -bind /dev /media/sda3/dev
[05:09] <kab> after you have that, you chroot your partition sda3
[05:09] <kab> chroot /media/sda3 /bin/bash
[05:09] <kab> and reinstall your grub
[05:09] <kab> grub-install /dev/sda
[05:10] <kab> and that's all
[05:13] <|syockit|> kab: does it detect win7 partition?
[05:13] <kab> |syockit|, you need to configure your menu.lst
[05:13] <kab> in your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:13] <|syockit|> I take it as no then?
[05:13] <kab> you need to configure your Windows
[05:14] <kab> title Your WIndows, XP, Vista, etc
[05:14] <kab> rootnoverify	(hd0,0)
[05:14] <kab> savedefault
[05:14] <kab> makeactive
[05:14] <kab> chainloader	+1
[05:14] <kab> this is a simple example, but you can get the idea
[05:14] <kab> where sda1 is a windows partition
[05:15] <kab> if your windows partition is in sda2 you need to setup your rootnoverifi (hd0,1)
[05:26] <john_> I got it fixed never mind thank for looking
[05:39] <clp> anyone successfully installed office 2003?
[05:41] <ryanprior> clp: appdb.winehq.org
[08:26] <peterz> gah, the gnome plop plop sounds are back!!
[08:26] <scizzo-> peterz: its a feature
[08:26] <peterz> scizzo-: no its not, its driving me insane
[08:27] <peterz> scizzo-: worst part is, I had them disabled, but they came back after an upgrade
[08:28] <maco> redisable them?
[08:28] <peterz> maco: that gnome-volume-control doesn't appear to have the switch anymore :/
[08:29] <peterz> nor could I find anything usable in gconf-editor
[08:29] <maco> l
[08:29] <maco> l
[08:30] <maco> sorry, i just missed krunner
[08:30] <peterz> :-)
[08:30] <maco> WOAH
[08:30] <maco> it just went back to the old one
[08:30] <maco> probably because if you dont use pulseaudio the new one breaks *completely*
[08:30] <peterz> lovely
[08:31] <peterz> I also noticed I don't have to kill pulse anymore, because it stopped starting itself ;-)
[08:31] <maco> hm gnome-sound-properties doesnt exist anymore?
[08:32] <peterz> not on my machine apparently
[08:32] <maco> mine either
[08:32] <peterz> I tried apt-cache search, but that didn't find it either
[08:32] <maco> i dont know what's going on
[08:32] <maco> and dtchen is sick, so probably sleeping instead of going online all the time. maybe themuso would know?
[08:33] <peterz> what actually generates the plop plop stuff?
[08:33] <peterz> is that gtk?
[08:33] <peterz> or some gnome lib
[08:33] <maco> i dont know
[08:34] <peterz> right,... because I'm almost at the point where I'm going to leech the source package and teach it to not plop
[08:34] <peterz> of course, that requires knowing which source package...
[08:35] <maco> uh
[08:35] <maco> why not just rename the sound file in /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/ so it cant find it?
[08:36] <peterz> ok, let me do that
[08:37] <peterz> yay, that did it
[08:37] <peterz> rm -rf /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu ftw!
[08:37] <maco> doh
[08:37] <maco> er
[08:37] <maco> now you have no login sounds either you know
[08:37] <peterz> I don't care ;-)
[08:37] <maco> or the little drums when it tells you "go put in your password"
[08:38] <maco> oh. um. ok.
[08:38] <peterz> those didn't annoy me as much, because that only happens like rarely
[08:50] <howlingmadhowie> hi everybody :) jaunty is cool :)
[08:52] <CoreyOn> Hey guys, I just updated my system (already had jaunty) and now when I boot I get a black screen before the login. I have a geforce card, and I'm 100% sure it's something to do with nvidia, can anyone help with this? I've tried changing the driver to nv in xorg.conf, but no luck.
[09:02] <syockit> if nv doesn't work, then I don't think it's just nvidia. but just in case, try vesa
[09:12] <Cruster> hi there...I have a problem...when I try to disable vsync or direct rendering in advanced effects menu, effects cannot start. What could be the problem? Should I provide xorg.conf?
[09:47] <syockit> You can't have effects with direct rendering disabled. no comment on vsync though
[10:33] <Sergeant_Pony> I trued in #ubuntu and got no reply... sorry. but I need to know about xforms. I need it to compile echolinux and can't seem to find any help.? please?
[10:38] <syockit> why does it need xforms? no gtk/qt?
[10:38] <Sergeant_Pony> according to the doc's it's required and doesn't compile without it
[10:39] <Sergeant_Pony> there is no gui for the program, it's all command line
[10:41] <syockit> but xforms got something to do with x11 gui
[10:41] <syockit> try libx11-dev
[10:44] <syockit> found it: libforms1-dev
[10:44] <syockit> Sergeant_Pony: pinging you for answer
[10:44] <Sergeant_Pony> ok, cool. I'll give it a shot. thanks
[10:44] <syockit> Sergeant_Pony: sorry it's libforms-dev
[10:46] <Sergeant_Pony> thanks... now hopefully it compiles ;)
[10:48] <Sergeant_Pony> :) it worked. thanks
[10:59] <BUGabundo> good morning everyone
[11:22] <|ns|nR8> CPU- +57┬░C Fan: 4192 RPM | M/B- +39.0┬░C | GPU- +51┬░C | HDD- +38┬░C
[11:57] <gourgi> hi i have a problem  with ecryptfs
[11:59] <gourgi> i installed ecryptfs-utils , i created a second account to test --encrypt-home option, and i could login to the  2nd account butu i couldn't login to my primary
[12:00] <gourgi> actually i could login from my virtual terminals but not from GDM, it  just return back there
[12:01] <gourgi> what i did : uninstall ecryptfs-utils, login through GDM, install ecryptfs-utils and generate passprhase for the primary account
[12:01] <gourgi> so both work well now :D
[12:31] <rasta`> greetz
[13:03] <nblracer> havinge some problems with Jaunty
[13:03] <nblracer> just did an upgrade last night to oo it, and i hate to say it broke my system
[13:03] <nblracer> i have a feeling the problem is with X but unsure
[13:04] <nblracer> When i boot up it is unresponsice  on the login screen
[13:04] <nblracer> the user name text and icon are un clear
[13:05] <nblracer> I'm also not able to drop down to a terminal screen at this time
[13:07] <nblracer> After several tries i was able to login once, but then it froze while loading my user data
[13:15] <nblracer> is therea simple way i can repaire this
[13:15] <nblracer> or should i down grade?
[13:17] <platius> nblracer;  you might look at this post http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1061919
[13:20] <nblracer> thanks
[13:22] <platius> nblracer; the forumache post worked for me.
[13:23] <ali1234> well it seems like the DPI thing has opened up a huge can of worms
[13:25] <nblracer> taking some notes now, and will give it a go in a few
[13:26] <vbgunz> has Kubuntu Jaunty updating broke? I have not gotten an update in 4 days :/
[13:26] <vbgunz> I do sudo apt-get update && upgrade and nothing is coming down.
[13:28] <vbgunz> ahh getting them now. unusual though. I've tried the last 3 days this being the 4th and I've never seen a development version go a day without an update. things slowing down?
[13:31] <vbgunz> 27 updates in 4 days :|
[13:32] <vbgunz> brb, hopefully it fixed kwin compositing crash :)
[13:33] <nblracer> brb goinging to try this
[13:56] <nblracer> still having problems
[13:57] <nblracer> i tried deleting xorg.conf
[13:57] <nblracer> and killing compiz
[13:58] <nblracer> also im using an intergrated on board vid by intel not nvidia
[14:00] <ali1234> my intel video has suddenly become really flaky too
[14:00] <ali1234> not to the point of being unusable though
[14:01] <nblracer> well my whole sytem seems to lock up
[14:01] <ali1234> compix is going really slow and the sound is crackly like it's using 101% cpu...
[14:02] <nblracer> but i dont know what my problem is
[14:02] <ali1234> a reboot seems to have fixed it actually
[14:03] <nblracer> i think it is X, since sometimes when i can enter my PW, i get a black screen of flashing colors, then it locks up
[14:11] <nblracer> bah
[14:11] <nblracer> i think  i fond the probelm
[14:23] <nblracer> here is my problem
[14:23] <nblracer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/304871
[14:24] <nblracer> and it is on the main page of jaunty as a known big
[14:24] <nblracer> gug
[14:24] <nblracer> baw cant type
[14:24] <nblracer> bug!
[14:25] <nblracer> may have to down grade :(
[14:25] <nblracer> let me try a few things..
[14:31] <incubii> will jauntys new kernel come with update iwl3945 drivers ?
[14:31] <bardyr> Hey, im going to install jaunty on a laptop with two disk in a raid 0 with ext4, the raid is going to hold 2 partitions one for the system one for data. one of the disk are going to have a /boot partition and the other a swap
[14:32] <bardyr> has anyone tried this or have any comments?
[14:32] <incubii> i have 4 disks in raid 0 with ext4 running, but its hardware raid
[14:32] <bardyr> incubii, did you use the alternative cd?
[14:33] <incubii> yes
[14:33] <bardyr> incubii, how is it running?
[14:33] <incubii> i dont know of any other way to install with ext4
[14:33] <incubii> runs good, no hiccups yet
[14:33] <incubii> file operations feel a little snappier
[14:34] <Like> i have a truble shot hard
[14:34] <IntuitiveNipple> ext4? Yes... deletes on large trees are impressively fast (e.g. linux kernel)
[14:34] <IntuitiveNipple> Ext4 can be selected in the Ubiquity desktop installer
[14:34] <Like> rhythmbox dont work dont launch the link
[14:34] <Like> off any link
[14:35] <Like> the suport has faded
[14:35] <Like> im out
[14:36] <incubii> um ok
[14:48] <bardyr> is jaunty going to have kernel 2.6.29?
[14:51] <custombrush> so now i will booting jaunty and check updates
[15:07] <incubii> bardyr, it looks like it will
[15:48] <unixdawg> ok I just ran the upgrades that came out and they failed.
[15:49] <vbgunz> how in the world do you set 256 colors for vim in screen? screen keeps botching my colors down to 8. why?
[15:51] <alex-weej> because vim is rubbish, use gedit
[15:57] <Volkodav> anybody else has this uprgade that can not be fully installed &
[15:59] <gnomefreak> depends on what upgrade you mean
[16:02] <Volkodav> well whatever popped up this morning with update manager
[16:02] <charlie-tca> yes
[16:03] <charlie-tca> I used apt-get and it ran all of them
[16:03] <Volkodav> some packages are not marked for download and install
[16:04] <charlie-tca> I know. Running "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" ran all of them, though
[16:04] <Volkodav> I wonder if I wait or go with partial
[16:04] <unixdawg> jaunty is turning out nice
[16:05] <rainmanp7> .
[16:07] <unixdawg> I just got realplayer installed and it works great
[16:07] <unixdawg> but still need koffice2
[16:07] <fujimitsu> new driver version 180 is active but visual effects will not run. blank screen with a cursor.
[16:08] <fujimitsu> had to force a shutdown. it turned unresponsive. but could restart normally without visual effects
[16:10] <fujimitsu> this is nvidia
[16:11] <syldeb35> fujimitsu: known Bug #326344
[16:12] <fujimitsu> alright
[16:13] <unixdawg> ok mplayer wont install on jaunty
[16:17] <Sebastian> Some update from the last 24 hours broke something for me. When GDM starts on my ThinkPad X60s, all I see is a blank screen. Known issue?
[16:19] <kuaera> Anyone have any information on enabling desktop window transparency? I feel it might be a driver issue, as I am running "ati" and the composite X extension is loaded.
[16:21] <vbgunz> screen doesn't see .screenrc *unless* I use the -c switch to point to it. anyone know why?
[16:27] <unixdawg> any idea when mythtv will install and work on jaunty
[16:35] <Volkodav> I am getting this error after recent upgrade ==> http://pastie.org/384063
[16:35] <Volkodav> any ideas guys ?
[16:40] <rainmanp7> I got errors where the Nvidia driver wouldn't even let me boot into the desktop
[16:41] <Volkodav> happenned too
[16:41] <Volkodav> second reboot helped
[16:42] <Volkodav> compiz is the least of the concerns really
[16:42] <Volkodav> something you can live without
[16:42] <Volkodav> that's for sure
[16:58] <fujimitsu> npviewer just crashed web surfing
[17:28] <nblracer> hello i was on earlyer this morning, reporting a problem with X, just wont to state that i was able to use the workaround provided
[17:36] <^hashbang^> I just installed Alpha 4 amd64  and I can't for the life of me get the 173, 177, or  the 180 drivers to work. I can logon to GDM but then  my screen goes to a black background, and a mouse  arrow and nothing else happens. if I go to a console I  can see that the gnome bar has started, along with  other gnomeish bits..
[17:36] <^hashbang^>
[17:36] <^hashbang^> nvidia card that is =)
[17:37] <^hashbang^> any idea's? thoughts...
[17:37] <nblracer> hmm yes
[17:37] <^hashbang^> cool ok..
[17:37] <^hashbang^> what?
[17:38] <nblracer> i had a simmilar problem and there is know bug with nvidia, Some one gave me the link, to the work around
[17:38] <^hashbang^> btw, this is a quadro fs 560
[17:38] <nblracer> let me look though the logs
[17:38] <^hashbang^> ok cool, ty
[17:39] <nblracer> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1061919
[17:39] <^hashbang^> ty, i'm reading now =)
[17:39] <nblracer> how ever that was not my problem
[17:40] <nblracer> mine was this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/304871
[17:40] <nblracer> thats if you had a intel vid card, so dont worry about that
[17:40] <^hashbang^> ok
[17:41] <^hashbang^> funny enough, I didn't see any errors... just a black background... and I didn't have compiz enabled. I had just installed from apt-get and then rebooted...
[17:42] <^hashbang^> ah so it's a compiz and glx driver issue?
[17:42] <^hashbang^> hmm
[17:42] <nblracer> i think compiz is on by defult
[17:42] <^hashbang^> ok well, let me try it again... thanks for the link
[17:42] <maxb> ^hashbang^: bug 326344
[17:42] <nblracer> np
[17:45] <nblracer> if there a highly recomended GUI for xorg.conf?
[17:46] <^hashbang^> ok brb
[17:46] <maxb> nblracer: Your favourite text editor! :-)
[17:48]  * charlie-tca thought gedit would be the wrong answer...
[17:49] <maco> vim?
[17:49] <maco> er, gui....uh....gvim?
[17:50]  * syockit vims
[17:57] <charlie-tca> yeah, gvim for gui
[18:00] <^hashbang^> cool guys that worked
[18:00] <^hashbang^> export LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 did the trick
[18:07] <vbgunz> compositing is broken in the latest jaunty. been like this for several days. anyone know whats going on?
[18:07] <maco> vbgunz: be more specific
[18:08] <maco> what video driver?
[18:08] <vbgunz> maco: I enable effects, I see the login wallpaper, and boom, stuck ... nothing happens at all. I have to edit .kde/share/config/kwinrc and disable compositing, restart X just to get it work again
[18:08] <vbgunz> Nvidias 180.22 I believe
[18:08] <maco> ok so it could be kwin or nvidia
[18:09] <maco> lemme install myupdates and ill tell if it affects my intel system
[18:09] <vbgunz> maco: I have an AMD system if it makes a difference :)
[18:11] <vbgunz> effects were working fine until a few days ago. I don't know why, but effects make everything feel faster
[18:12] <zdobersek> Is anybody having a working wireless connection in Jaunty Alpha4? With Belkin's USB adapter, NetworkManager appears to be connected to the wifi network with ~90% signal strength, but no packages seem to transmit and loading any page in firefox fails. Anybody having same problem or even solution for it?
[18:13] <vbgunz> zdobersek: are you mac filtering on the router? just curious. my only tip really :|
[18:13] <maco> zdobersek: did you use wireshark to confirm that no packets are moving?
[18:14] <zdobersek> maco: I saw incredibly low amount of packages receives/sent when looking at wlan0 connection properties.
[18:15] <maco> can you try doing "sudo /etc/init.d/NetworkManager stop" then connect using iwconfig?
[18:16] <nikolam> HI. Can I add EXT4 support to my current Hardy install?
[18:17] <nikolam> liko compile module or soemthing?
[18:17] <BUGabundo> nikolam: you are better asking in #ubuntu-server
[18:17] <BUGabundo> nikolam: you are better asking in #ubuntu-kernel
[18:17] <BUGabundo> or the kernel ML
[18:18] <maco> sounds like a bad idea...
[18:18] <maco> defnitely need to move the data and copyit back if you DO do it
[18:18] <fujimitsu> firefox is behaving pretty well. i'll even postpone installing galeon
[18:19] <vbgunz> I would love to convert my ext3 to ext4 ... I just haven't found a definitive up-to-date trusted guide or walkthrough on it :/
[18:19] <vbgunz> maco: I just did an update that requires a reboot, maybe this will fix it?
[18:19] <vbgunz> one sec, going to check for latest nvidia drivers
[18:19] <fujimitsu> convert? wouldnt you have to check off that option on installation
[18:20] <nikolam> maco, I am not using ext4 for anything but testing jaunty on another partition
[18:20] <nikolam> I know ext4 is not recommended in present time for default fs
[18:20] <vbgunz> fujimitsu: yeah, you can do it like that but I believe it is also possible to "convert" ab exisiting ext3 installation
[18:20] <nikolam> I just want access to ext4 from hardy
[18:21] <maco> fujimitsu: you can move teh data off it, format the partition, and move the data back on. it cannot upgrade in-place because the inode sizes change (or something like that)
[18:21] <maco> nikolam: might wnat to wait til they figure out that thing where files saved on ext
[18:21] <maco> on ext4 magically become 0-byte files
[18:22] <fujimitsu> right. that sounds more like the way to do it. but since i dont know how much time vs. doing a fresh install... well
[18:22] <vbgunz> going to reboot
[18:22] <vbgunz> brb
[18:22] <nikolam> maco yes, ext4 is not god for use now, bur read only or something is ok for me.
[18:24] <fujimitsu> when is that web integration thing happening (havent checked milestone)
[18:24] <maco> web integration?
[18:25] <fujimitsu> well.. thats what jaunty is about fast startup and web apps from desktop type thing.. i guess i have to read some more
[18:26] <fujimitsu> one thing i know for sure.. its still not faster than 8.10 startup yet
[18:27] <_MMA_> Any ides why desktop effects cannot be enabled on Intel 82852/855GM atm?
[18:29] <fujimitsu> visual effects are a no-go even on nvidia driver version 180
[18:30] <_MMA_> fujimitsu: Ok. Haven't tested Jaunty on nVidia yet. Thanx for the heads up.
[18:30] <Alexia_Death> fujimitsu: visual effects are entirely a go. but not with alpha4.
[18:31] <Alexia_Death> the X in that version is buggy. two versions back works nice.
[18:31] <vbgunz> maco: I just upgraded the kernel, reinstalled the nvidia driver and kwin compositing still doesn't work. I see the login screen, login, and the default splash freezes with the last 3 items still fuzzy :/
[18:31]  * Alexia_Death is using kwin with visual effects.
[18:31] <fujimitsu> driver is active.. just cannot enable visual effects properly
[18:31] <vbgunz> Alexia_Death: you're having problems with compositing too?
[18:31] <andersk> bug 326344
[18:31] <Alexia_Death> vbgunz: known bug
[18:32] <maxb> Alexia_Death: 3 versions back now
[18:32] <vbgunz> awesome, link?
[18:32] <Alexia_Death> maxb: Still there?
[18:32] <maxb> Well, I'm extrapolating from the changelog not touching anything relevant at all
[18:32] <Alexia_Death> fujimitsu: I could not enable it either some time back but it does work wuith 180.27 and the xorg version that ended in 1ubuntu0
[18:33] <andersk> 0ubuntu1.  ItŌĆÖs all in the bug report.
[18:34] <vbgunz> am going to try it without direct rendering... see what happens
[18:34] <vbgunz> if I log out, something went horribly wrong, call police!
[18:35] <vbgunz> hmm, disabling direct rendering works
[18:35] <vbgunz> I see my shadows and things are smooth :)
[18:36] <Alexia_Death> doesnt disabling direct rendering kill performance?
[18:39] <vbgunz> Alexia_Death: not sure, it seems good so far *but* I believe it should
[18:39] <unixdawg> ok having a issue on jaunty with oss/alsa/arts fighting for audio
[18:39] <unixdawg> cant get any softphone to work
[18:40] <ryoushi19> anyone having trouble starting gnome on 9.04?
[18:42] <ryoushi19> Like, I actually can't start gnome whatsoever the normal way.  I have use a failsafe terminal session, start gnome-panel, go in and start the network manager and metacity, etc etc.
[18:42] <ryoushi19> it's kind of a pain.
[18:43] <ryoushi19> and then my sound doesn't even work.
[18:43] <ryoushi19> anyone have any suggestions at all?
[18:43] <maco> evolution is using 99% CPU on trying to send an email
[18:44] <maco> it uses 38% just sitting there, then i hit send and it spikes to 101% then settles down to 98%
[18:47] <ryoushi19> so, does anyone know any way to get gnome to start normally?
[18:47] <maxb> bug 326344
[18:47] <maco> as opposed to abnormally?
[18:48] <custombrush> by putting this line in your ~/.gnomerc:
[18:48] <custombrush>   export LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1  it works
[18:48] <maco> what about for kde users?
[18:48] <histo> ryoushi19: ctrl+alt+f1 kill compiz.real then switch back
[18:48] <ryoushi19> well, starting abnormally would be having to open an xterm session, starting gnome panel, then starting everything else from there.
[18:48] <ryoushi19> but thank you for your suggestions, I'll try them.
[18:48] <histo> Just basically kill compiz.real and it works for the time being.
[18:48] <maco> check your xsession-errors because gnome-session sounds like not running
[18:48] <maco> sure you didnt choose Run Xclient Script?
[18:49] <ryoushi19> no, I chose failsafe terminal.
[18:49] <ryoushi19> to get it to actually work.
[18:49] <maco> er....well that's what a failsafe terminal is supposed to be like...
[18:49] <ryoushi19> well, yes, I know.  I'm saying that was what I did to work around it.  the normal gnome session wouldn't start.
[18:49] <ryoushi19> and I was starting the normal gnome session.
[18:51] <maco> what happens when you try to start the nomral one?
[18:59] <ryoushi19> K, the whole "kill compiz.real from a terminal" thing didn't work out.  what were the other methods again?
[19:03] <kulight> i have moved to jaunty today every thing went well except when trying to  enable nvidia 173 drivers it installs well but when booting up again i get only the desktop wallpaper and nothing else. any idea's ?
[19:04] <kulight> !Bug 326215
[19:04] <andersk> It's happening to everyone.  bug 326344.  (Which I think I might have just figured out, by the way!)
[19:04] <andersk> I'm currently testing a debdif that should fix it.
[19:04] <kulight> yay :)
[19:05] <andersk> We'll know as soon as xorg finishes building...
[19:05] <kulight> i'll wait ill help test if you want
[19:07] <kulight> there is pretty big performance boost...
[19:07] <histo> kulight: ON WHAT?
[19:07] <kulight> jaunty jeneral fell
[19:07] <kulight> feel
[19:08] <histo> no big performance boost on what jaunty?
[19:08] <histo> with the new kernel and xorg?
[19:08] <histo> I don't see it.
[19:08] <kulight> no just the general feel of the system compare to intrepid
[19:09] <kulight> histo: ^
[19:10] <maco> anyone reproduce: evolution uses ~ 100% CPU trying to send signed mails then fails to sign/send them anyway?
[19:10] <custombrush> i use thunderbird
[19:10] <maco> well that doesnt count...
[19:12] <andersk> Hmm.  That debdiff didn't work.  I'll keep looking.
[19:34] <maxb> Could the "increase max clients" thing get reverted temporarily?
[19:37] <maco> maxb: what?
[19:39] <maxb> bug 326344
[19:46] <CoreyOn> Hello, I just updated my system (already had Jaunty) and now when I restart I get a black screen, and it'll never load the log in menu. I've read this is a problem with the latest xorg version.  Do you not even get to the login screen?
[19:47] <CoreyOn> It is nvidia, no I can't get to the login screen
[19:48] <CoreyOn> Even tried changing my xorg.conf in a live cd to the driver mode as nv, that didnt work as well
[19:48] <histo> CoreyOn: try safe graphics mode
[19:49] <kulight> CoreyOn: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[19:49] <maxb> hrm, this is sounding somewhat different to what other people are experiencing
[19:49] <CoreyOn> I've read fixes for this problem, I can't seem to get out of the black screen
[19:49] <CoreyOn> How do I get to safe graphics mode?
[19:50] <histo> Your botting the live cd or this is on your hd?
[19:50] <maxb> I suggest first attempting a rollback of the troublesome xserver update: dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/xserver-xorg-core_2%3a<IP_ADDRESS>2-0ubuntu1_*.deb
[19:50] <CoreyOn> hard drive
[19:50] <histo> CoreyOn: oh kill compiz.real
[19:50] <CoreyOn> maxb: I cant get out of the black screen -> meaning I can't get to a terminal
[19:50] <histo> CoreyOn: boot up hit ctrl+alt+F1 the ps aux | grep compiz find hte pid number sudo kill thatpid  then ctrl+alt+f7
[19:50] <maxb> You can't even switch to a text VT ?
[19:51] <CoreyOn> i've tried ctrl+alt+f1, that doesnt do anything either
[19:51] <CoreyOn> still is a black screen
[19:52] <CoreyOn> it might be different from what other people said because it's loading kubuntu, with the kdm instead of gdm
[19:53] <histo> CoreyOn: well right now there is a problem with compiz and nvidia
[19:53] <CoreyOn> I knew this, but nobody else mentioned that they couldn't get to the terminal, where I can't seem to do it
[19:54] <histo> bug 326344
[19:54] <histo> Try booting to recover mode.
[19:54] <maxb> CoreyOn: What about booting, choosing the recovery mode option at the bootloader menu?
[19:54] <CoreyOn> Ok, but these people can get to the terminal
[19:55] <CoreyOn> also i've tried recovery mode, that didnt do anything either
[19:55] <maxb> Define "not do anything"
[19:55] <CoreyOn> black screen
[19:55] <CoreyOn> blank
[19:55] <CoreyOn> nothing
[19:56] <maxb> Well, I don't think recovery mode even goes into X, does it?
[19:56] <CoreyOn> sorry, i meant when it does boot after
[19:56] <maxb> Well, get a text mode prompt via recovery mode and fix things there, then
[19:56] <CoreyOn> it gives me the menu of choices, i've tried the one that trys to fix the graphics
[19:56] <CoreyOn> that didnt fix it
[19:57] <maxb> BTW, I've pushed a package with the troublesome patch reverted to my PPA.
[19:57] <CoreyOn> which option is that?
[19:57] <maxb> Binaries haven't been published yet, I expect they will be at the top-of-the-hour publisher run.
[19:58] <CoreyOn> how do i get to the prompt from recovery mode?
[19:58] <maxb> Doesn't it just give you that option?
[19:58] <CoreyOn> i dont remember it being there, i guss i'll try it again
[19:59] <CoreyOn> if i do get in, what command shoudl i type?
[19:59] <CoreyOn> i'm not using compiz, its kwin
[19:59] <kulight> CoreyOn: ū¤ūÉūō ūØū× ūóū©ūĢūĀ ū”ū¦ū×ūĢ
[20:00] <kulight> CoreyOn: its on grub menu
[20:00] <CoreyOn> kulight, i cant see that text
[20:00] <kulight> when booting up you dont see anything ?
[20:01] <CoreyOn> Yes, I see my bootup screen as normal
[20:01] <CoreyOn>  CoreyOn: ū¤ūÉūō ūØū× ūóū©ūĢūĀ ū”ū¦ū×ūĢ that I cannot read
[20:02] <kulight> oh sorry its the wrong lang (im switching between chats)
[20:09] <CoreyUn> ok so i'm in root via the recovery option, what command should i use now?
[20:10] <kulight> CoreyUn: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[20:11] <maxb> Maybe try rolling back to the earlier x server first?
[20:11] <maxb> dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/xserver-xorg-core_2%3a<IP_ADDRESS>2-0ubuntu1_*.deb
[20:11] <maxb> assuming it's still in cache
[20:11] <CoreyUn> ok well it says xserver=xorg isnt installed
[20:15] <maxb> The name is xserver-xorg-core
[20:15] <CoreyUn> yes yours worked, i'm retarting now to see if its fixed
[20:16] <CoreyUn> nice its working
[20:19] <CoreyUn> ok new problem, i can now login, but once i try logging into kde, it'll try to log in, and then go back to the login window... however i can log into gnome
[20:24] <unixdawg> ok having random lockups in jaunty
[20:24] <unixdawg> runs fine then I open seamonkey or another app and it locks the system up
[20:58] <_VIM_> are there no Kubuntu version of Jaunty? When i go to this site, none of them are labeled Kubuntu, only Ubuntu-desktop-i386-iso
[20:59] <_VIM_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/jaunty/alpha-4/
[20:59] <BUGabundo> _VIM_:
[20:59] <BUGabundo>  !daily
[21:00] <BUGabundo> _VIM_: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[21:00] <_VIM_> ok i was going by the site in the topic :D
[21:01] <_VIM_> lol they're labeled the same
[21:02] <_VIM_> they should have the word kubuntu in them :/
[21:10] <BUGabundo> yeah
[21:10] <BUGabundo> I had to change my rsync scripts
[21:11] <bardyr_> Hey, does anybody else have a problem with compiz feezing the desktop environment?
[21:11] <andersk> Everyone.
[21:11] <andersk> bug 326344
[21:12] <bardyr_> kk
[21:12] <BUGabundo> LOL
[21:12] <bardyr_> #326344
[21:12] <BUGabundo> andersk: eheh already on trigger?
[21:12] <maco> any evolution users experiencing extremely high cpu load when attempting to sign emails?
[21:13] <andersk> PGP sign?  No, seems to work fine for me.
[21:15] <geser> does somebody know what's the current way to setup the (gstreamer) audiosink in jaunty? I used till now gnome-sound-properties but it seems to be gone.
[21:15] <BUGabundo> is there even sound working??
[21:16] <maco> sound works for me in kde...'
[21:16] <maco> have not rebooted today though
[21:18] <BUGabundo> maco: are you on jaunty now?
[21:18] <BUGabundo> I have to kill PA a few times just for it to connect
[21:18] <BUGabundo> and then it fails to accept connections from any other app, other then the 1st
[21:19] <geser> I can use totem to play some mp4 from youtube, but I don't use PA but plain alsa
[21:20] <geser> but I don't know where I can change from analog output to digital output
[21:20] <geser> trying PA to get sound on both analog and digital output at the same time is on my TODO list
[21:20] <maco> BUGabundo: note the "kde" part of that
[21:21] <maco> kde doesnt use pulse
[21:21] <maco> BUGabundo: if youre only getting connections from the first app, i really doubt pulse is in use
[21:21] <maco> thats what happens when you use pure alsa with no dmix
[21:22] <maco> andersk: its using 100% cpu for a few minutes before finally bringing up the passphrase box. then i enter the passphrase correctly. then it always tells me i did it wrong.
[21:24] <andersk> maco: Yeah, I definitely don't see that problem.
[21:25] <maco> :-/ wonder if evo's having troube using gpg-agent instead of seahorse-agent... it *should* work. it worked yesterday.
[21:27] <hggdh> maco, my experience is that gpg-agent slightly clobbers seahorse-agent (so I was getting the KDE password dialog instead of the Gnome one). But I do not know what else could happen
[21:28] <quentusrex> Can someone tell me how to delete a gconf tree?
[21:28] <quentusrex> I have a f***ing piece of software that improperly wrote to gconf, and now I can't remove it... I can't remove the tree....
[21:29] <maco> hggdh: for some reason im getting the gnome one today. i guess evo is trying to use the not-running seahorse-agent even though it is *perfectly capable* of using gpg-agent...as it did before seahorse-agent existed
[21:29] <quentusrex> and the gconftool-2 --recursive-unset won't unset all of the keys... only half of them.... I need to delete the tree....
[21:29] <BUGabundo> quentusrex: gconf-editor ??
[21:29] <maco> BUGabundo: gconf-editor cant do that
[21:29] <maco> it can delete individual keys, but not folders
[21:30] <quentusrex> yeah, I need to delete whole folders....
[21:32] <BUGabundo> dunno
[21:32] <BUGabundo> welcome RAOF
[21:40] <quentusrex> ARGHHH....
[21:40] <quentusrex> Why would there be something that the root user can't erase???
[21:40] <BUGabundo> AO: [pulse] Failed to connect to server: Connection refused
[21:40] <BUGabundo> AO: [alsa] 48000Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample)
[21:40] <BUGabundo> this is nice!
[21:40] <BUGabundo> :((((((
[21:51] <quentusrex> what's the grep command to search for text in a directory of files recurisvly?
[21:52] <andersk> -r
[21:54] <quentusrex> I mean look inside each of the text files?
[21:56] <andersk> You mean look only at text files and not binary files or devices?  See --binary-files and --devices in the grep(1) manpage.
[21:57] <quentusrex> Will I have to reinstall to get rid of glorified registry errors?
[21:57] <quentusrex> andersk: yes, only text files.
[21:57] <quentusrex> andersk: just in case you missed the original problem. gconf won't allow me to delete a particular tree... I need to delete the directory.
[21:58] <quentusrex> and I'm told it might do this if there is a default setting for gconf somewhere, but gconf won't tell me where that damn file is, or even if there is one....
[21:58] <quentusrex> So because of the inability to delete a gconf directory I might have to install.... :(
[21:59] <andersk> You almost certainly don't want to delete the defaults.
[21:59] <andersk> You could try reinstalling the package that contains the defaults, if you suspect that the defaults have somehow been messed up.
[21:59] <quentusrex> I have purged an application from my system, but the gconf stuff isn't removed...
[21:59] <quentusrex> and I have no way to manually remove them.
[22:00] <andersk> `dpkg -S /usr/share/gconf/defaults` will print a list of packages that own files in /usr/share/gconf/defaults.
[22:00] <andersk> Try reinstalling those packages, then run sudo update-gconf-defaults.
[22:01] <quentusrex> the app isn't in there...
[22:01] <quentusrex> thanks andersk somehow that worked....
[22:02] <quentusrex> I think it was the update-gconf-defaults...
[22:02] <quentusrex> it seems not to do that automatically....
[22:02] <andersk> Which package?
[22:03] <quentusrex> I tried to install ekiga 3.0
[22:03] <quentusrex> but that failed...
[22:04] <quentusrex> and then I removed it, and tried to install ekiga 2.0 from package,
[22:04] <quentusrex> but ekiga 3.0 left 'problems'
[22:05] <brucealdridge> running jaunty, ran updated, rebooted, blank screen, can still login/ssh ... just no display.
[23:04] <brucealdridge> running jaunty, ran updated, rebooted, blank screen, can still login/ssh ... just no display.
[23:07] <quentusrex> is it possible to take a package from jaunty and install it in intrepid?
[23:14] <dou213> hi guys, can somebody help me set up my ftp-server correctly? i am behind my router, trying to connect with FileZilla within the lan on an ubuntu server box, when i connect unencrypted it works just fine, when i do it with SSL it gives me an error: Connection timed out!
[23:18] <bernz> dou213, try to avoid cross-posting to unrelated channels -- this is not an appropriate one for general help  ;-)
[23:18] <bernz> (you can pm me and i can try to suggest some things to help, but i'm not an expert or anything)
[23:19] <dou213> ok thx bernz
[23:22] <andersk> quentusrex: Sometimes.
[23:23] <andersk> Check the package dependencies for a good approximation of whether it's likely to work.
[23:55] <bernz> is jaunty the first release to use a moniker based on a non-existent animal?  :-)
[23:56] <FFForever> how do i find out what partition windows is?
[23:56] <FFForever> (so i can add it to menu.lst
[23:56] <FFForever> )
[23:56] <maxb> Try "blkid"


[00:11] <tomreyn> LilUFO: i don't know this one, but generally speaking, gnome-shell-extensions are dragon lands ("here be dragons").
[00:11] <LilUFO> ah
[00:12] <LilUFO> I'm running arch, but I use the tray extension that is part of the ubuntu desktop
[00:12] <LilUFO> just curious if there were similar problems
[00:12] <leftyfb_> :/
[00:12] <LilUFO> I've read about hp-systray working improperly with the ubuntu tray extension
[00:13] <LilUFO> If I were to guess it might be the explicit lack of support for tooltips :P
[00:13] <LilUFO> which in that case it really isn't doing anything wrong
[00:13] <leftyfb> #arch | LilUFO
[00:14] <leftyfb> #archlinux | LilUFO
[00:14] <leftyfb> bah
[00:14] <leftyfb> !arch | LilUFO
[00:14] <leftyfb> !archlinux | LilUFO
[00:15] <LilUFO> hah sorry didn't mean to be rude
[00:15] <LilUFO> I just thought this might be the place to ask about that ubuntu-specific tray extension
[00:16] <leftyfb> how is it ubuntu-specific?
[00:16] <LilUFO> ah true, it really is just the tray used in Ubuntu
[00:17] <LilUFO> it was a silly question, sorry to ask :/
[00:36] <tripp4h> sarnold: what would you help with amixer?
[00:39] <sarnold> tripp4h: it might show you muted devices or something similar
[03:58] <shark> Hi All!!
[03:58] <shark> Lot of crashes happening.
[03:58] <webchat0> Hey.
[03:58] <webchat0> Bot?
[03:58] <webchat0> Nope.
[03:58] <webchat0> Sorry.
[03:59] <webchat0> I've just killed systemd from system monitor, and now all icons (including terminal), wallpaper, menu, (almost everything) disappeared. All I've access to now is file system.
[03:59] <shark> -rw-r--r--  1 kernoops whoopsie      750 Jul 30 01:14 linux-image-4.15.0-151-generic.31772.crash
[03:59] <shark> -rw-r--r--  1 kernoops whoopsie      755 Jul 30 01:14 linux-image-4.15.0-151-generic.31702.crash
[03:59] <shark> -rw-r--r--  1 kernoops whoopsie     3085 Jul 30 01:47 linux-image-4.15.0-151-generic.205774.crash
[03:59] <shark> -rw-r--r--  1 kernoops whoopsie      735 Jul 30 08:37 linux-image-4.15.0-151-generic.33389.crash
[03:59] <shark> -rw-r--r--  1 kernoops whoopsie     3200 Jul 30 08:38 linux-image-4.15.0-151-generic.216214.crash
[03:59] <shark> -rw-r--r--  1 kernoops whoopsie     3228 Jul 30 09:43 linux-image-4.15.0-151-generic.220453.crash
[04:00] <webchat0> What to do restore everythin back to normal?
[04:00] <matsaman> webchat0: restart the systemd service, or just reboot
[04:01] <shark> My system is getting freezed.
[04:01] <shark> While working.
[04:01] <webchat0> how? I restarted it couple of times.
[04:01] <webchat0> But it didn't helped.
[04:01] <webchat0> Can you please tell how to restart systemd?
[04:03] <matsaman> just restart the OS then
[04:04] <webchat0> Sorry. Is restarting OS equivalent to restarting computer?
[04:07] <shark> My system is getting freezed.
[04:07] <shark> While working.
[04:08] <shark> Ubuntu 18 LTS
[04:08] <webchat21> I restarted it, but it didn't helped.
[04:09] <webchat21> It seems I'm not the "owner" of the system, because I cannot change the permission of executions of files.
[04:09] <webchat21> (Don't get me wrong, I own the machine, it is the machine who is not aware of this fact)
[04:09] <webchat21> XD
[04:10] <webchat21> (Now, how to really convince it that I'm the owner?)
[04:23] <shark> Here is the link having details->
[04:23] <shark> https://drive.google.com/file/d/16svmsj0XoP6zWDxtYfsD425s113Wk5x8/view?usp=sharing
[04:23] <shark> Pls help.
[04:38] <shark> ok putting here
[04:38] <shark>  BUG: Bad rss-counter state mm:00000000969bc6a1 idx:2 val:-1
[04:38] <shark>  BUG: Bad rss-counter state mm:00000000969bc6a1 idx:3 val:1
[04:38] <shark>  wlp2s0: authenticate with f8:da:0c:37:de:d5
[04:38] <shark>  wlp2s0: send auth to f8:da:0c:37:de:d5 (try 1/3)
[04:38] <shark>  wlp2s0: send auth to f8:da:0c:37:de:d5 (try 2/3)
[04:59] <Aro> I think there might be a bug where when I have Ubuntu running for over somewhere between 12 and 24 hours, it freezes up. I'm running Ubuntu 21.04 64-bit on the Raspberry Pi 4B.
[05:01] <Aro> Another thing I noticed is a portion of my RAM allocated for video memory, but Ubuntu still things that's available as normal memory.
[05:09] <kwilczynski> shark: That is a detailed issue report!
[05:10] <kwilczynski> shark: 4.15.0-151 - what version of Ubuntu do you run?
[05:43] <Guest83> hi all
[05:43] <Aro> Hi
[05:44] <Guest83> Aro hi
[05:45] <Aro> :(
[08:21] <unstablewifi4448> Can anybody help me with my wifi or direct me where I can get help, please?
[14:49] <movah4c> Hello, i have a little problem with the lazarus-ide and compiled programs. The IDE start takes 20-30 seconds to show up. I fixed that with addding "--no-splash-screen --primary-config-path=/home/mov/.lazarus/ %f" to the "startlazarus" program. But the compiled programs have the same problem. They are all starting with a delay of 20-30 seconds. How can i fix that?
[14:51] <leftyfb> movah4c: sudo apt install appmenu-gtk2-module
[14:53] <movah4c> leftyfb, tank you i try it out now
[14:53] <leftyfb> movah4c: I found that solution by typing "ubuntu lazarus slow" into google and clicking on the first result
[14:55] <movah4c> leftyfb,  then my search phrase was to long :)
[14:55] <movah4c> leftyfb,  not working
[14:58] <leftyfb> movah4c: maybe try recompiling the application you're using to test with?
[14:58] <movah4c> did that just now
[14:59] <movah4c> same result compiling takes a few seconds and starting takes  20-30 sec.
[14:59] <leftyfb> some other possible solutions: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1184774/some-applications-on-ubuntu-19-10-very-slow-to-start
[14:59] <leftyfb> other than that, I have no idea
[15:00] <movah4c> ok i look at that page now
[15:02] <arh> Hello. Does anyone here know how can I encrypt/password-protect a folder?
[15:02] <movah4c> hmm, if i launch it with "dbus-launch <progname>" it's there in 1-2 seconds
[15:03] <arh> I tried ecryptfs but I was unsuccessful making it work
[15:04] <TJ-> arh: depends on which file-system ; ext4 supports encryption per directory
[15:04] <arh> TJ-, really? Is there a GUI for that?
[15:04] <Aro> I think there might be a bug where it freezes up when I have Ubuntu running for over somewhere between 16 and 24 hours. I'm running Ubuntu 21.04 64-bit on the Raspberry Pi 4B. Does anyone have any tips of how I could definitively test this and rule out other causes?
[15:05] <TJ-> Aro: enable kernel 'debug' log-level and then review what was recorded just before it next locks up, in case there are clues
[15:05] <Aro> Also, I noticed is a portion of my RAM allocated for video memory, but Ubuntu still things that's available as normal memory. This causes a crash for sure when I use up everything.
[15:06] <Elliria> Hey there, I can use history | tail -5 to see the last five commands that I've issued in a terminal window. Is there a similar command to see the last five desktop or menu shortcuts that I've clicked?
[15:07] <TJ-> Elliria: no
[15:07] <Elliria> It doesn't have to be five, by the way. That was just an example.
[15:07] <Elliria> Blast.
[15:09] <Aro> TJ-, the problem is, I don't know when exactly it would freeze. It might be too late to check when I know it freezes.
[15:10] <TJ-> Aro: you'd check afterwards when it's rebooted, in the hope the log caught some clue
[15:10] <Aro> Oh they get retained?
[15:10] <leftyfb> Aro: journalctl -k -b1
[15:10] <Aro> Where?
[15:10] <leftyfb> Aro: that'll show you kernel messages from before the last boot
[15:11] <Aro> Ahh
[15:12] <alkisg> If it's a kernel panic, it might not show up in the logs. Try to make it freeze while at vt2 (ctrl+alt+f2), so that you see the kernel panic messages on screen (or get a serial cable...)
[15:13] <leftyfb> Aro: right, to add to alkisg's suggestion, open up a virtual terminal (VT2) and run dmesg -Tw. Then wait till it freezes and see if there's anything that shows up on the screen. Make sure to disable suspend or the screen blanking/sleeping
[15:17] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[15:17] <Aro> Oh let me try that.
[15:32] <movah4c> leftyfb, here they the same problem "https://forum.lazarus.freepascal.org/index.php?topic=51016.0". I try it now with a reboot. Thank you.
[15:58] <movah4c> leaftype, this did it: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure appmenu-gtk-module-common"
[15:59] <leaftype> movah4c: think you auto-corrected to the wrong person. I'm assuming you meant leftyfb
[15:59] <movah4c> leaftype, oh yes :) sorry
[16:00] <movah4c> leftyfb, this did it: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure appmenu-gtk-module-common"
[16:09] <shimbles> how do I find out who is filling up my root volume and what file(s)
[16:10] <Mekaneck> older kernels maybe?
[16:11] <oerheks> nowadays ubuntu removes old kernels after reboot and update again
[16:11] <shimbles> my root volume is going from 0 to 100% during a workload; how do I find out exactly what's up
[16:11] <leftyfb> shimbles: sudo apt install ncdu ; sudo ncdu -x /
[16:12] <Mekaneck> oerheks: thanks, good to know
[16:12] <oerheks> those are 0kb updates :-D
[16:13] <shimbles> more specifically, disk utilization reported by df -ha for /dev/xvda1 mapped to / goes from about 100G free to about 0G free during a workload, after which it is cleaned up; i'd like to find out who is doing that, and tell them to do it somewhere else
[16:14] <shimbles> who being, some code that i wrote
[16:14] <shimbles> which calls some code that someone else wrote
[16:14] <leftyfb> shimbles: uhm it's your code. Write it to write data elsewhere.
[16:15] <shimbles> so, disk utilization is going up, but no file tools seem to be able to pinpoint where its happening
[16:16] <leftyfb> shimbles: you're looking for iotop
[16:17] <shimbles> i am looking for the specific location on disk that's being written to
[16:17] <shimbles> no tool that i've tried shows me; but eventually the disk fills up, program dies, which frees up the disk again
[16:17] <leftyfb> shimbles: use ncdu like I showed above while the disk space is mostly filled up
[16:18] <shimbles> it's not revealed by ncdu
[16:18] <shimbles> the only place i can see the utilization changing, is df -ha
[16:19] <leftyfb> shimbles: wait till your disk is almost full, then pause the program with CTRL+Z, then use ncdu to see where most of your disk utilization is taken up
[16:20] <shimbles> the utilization is several multiples above the known files on disk; ncdu can't see what is taking up that space
[16:20] <leftyfb> huh?
[16:20] <leftyfb> nc will tell you which directories/files take up the most space starting with your top level directory if you tell it to start at /
[16:20] <leftyfb> ncdu*
[16:21] <shimbles> according to ncdu, /var 13G /usr 6G /home 1G, and how there are 45G used on /, constantly increasing
[16:22] <leftyfb> shimbles: ncdu isn't realtime. It reads it once. Fill up the space with your $program and pause it, then use ncdu to see a snapshot of disk utilization and determine where most of it is
[16:23] <shimbles> that tool doesn't work for this problem; moreover, it's not particularly useful
[16:23] <leftyfb> shimbles: ok, good luck
[16:23] <shimbles> compared to more standard tools
[16:23] <movah4c> shimbles, maybe try lsof
[16:24] <shimbles> lsof strongly suggests the culprite is pyspark
[16:25] <shimbles> which i have instructed to keep its data elsewhere; also, where exactly it would be writing, such that it can't be seen as an actual file, i am not sure about
[16:28] <alkisg> shimbles: if an app creates a temp file, then deletes it while still open, the app still has a handle to it and can write to it and it won't show up in `ls`. Sometimes this is used for temp files.
[16:29] <alkisg> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/68523/find-and-remove-large-files-that-are-open-but-have-been-deleted
[16:34] <shimbles> thanks alkisg
[19:30] <akulbe> I have an Nvidia GPU and I can't get resolution past 1024x768, even though I have the recommended nvidia-drivers-470 package installed. Help?
[19:31] <akulbe> this is on 20.04, btw
[20:37] <locsmif> I have a few packages about to be upgraded. Of at least one of them, I'd like to its changelog before I upgrade. Can I do that from the cli, right now, before installing, or do I have to download the package, unpack it and try to find it in there?
[20:38] <leftyfb> locsmif: apt changelog <package name>
[21:06] <Walex> locsmif: also "C" in Aptitude
[21:07] <ludiusvox> hello
[22:00] <the_restless> quit
[22:23] <Guest25> I have been trying ubuntu out on a 2015 iMac. It seems to work fine except for shutdown. It won't shutdown. It ends up hanging up and then rebooting. Choosing to restart instead of shutdown works fine. I've looked through a bunch of threads various places I've found searching the internet but none of the typical grub kernel command line tricks seem
[22:23] <Guest25> to work. Does anyone have any experience with this issue on a 2015 21.5" iMac?
[22:33] <src> Guest25: just out of interest, same issue when initiating shutdown from cli?
[22:33] <src> poweroff or shutdown -H now
[22:34] <src> Guest25: also we need the exact version of ubuntu you're using
[22:38] <Guest25> Yes, same issue.
[22:40] <Guest25> I reinstalled a couple of times after reloading mac os and making sure it shutdowns properly which it does. Latest test was the current LTS version which I just downloaded. <IP_ADDRESS>. I booted from USB and did the try instead of install and it happens there too.
[22:43] <Guest25> I was considering trying debian testing or something next just to see if it's a kernel issue that might be fixed in a newer kernel. I was just hoping someone had run into this before. I've only had to deal with issues like this once or twice in linux before and I don't know very much about troubleshooting issues like this. This feels like it might
[22:43] <Guest25> be a tricky one to sort out.
[22:44] <src> how about downloading 21.04 before going so far as to install debian testing
[22:45] <src> Guest25: but let me have a look online
[22:46] <src> I assume you tried acpi=force in grub, did you have a look in your bios settings btw? If something could be related to it somehow?
[22:48] <src> Guest25: you should also check your logs via $ journalctl -b -1 -r
[22:50] <Guest25> Yes, I tried acpi=force. No real bios to speak of on an iMac. At least not in the traditional PC sense. There are some settings that can be made in Mac OS that stick between reboots, and I did try turning off wake on lan as I saw some reports of that curing the problem on some PCs, but it didn't help.
[22:51] <Guest25> I'll load 21.04 and see what happens.
[22:52] <src> Guest25: I would definitely save the systemd logs though
[22:52] <src> see journalctl command
[22:52] <src> on what the exact error is
[22:52] <src> so you can compare with 21.04 if the issue still persists and see if it's the same which might be valuable
[22:53] <leftyfb> Guest25: you can run the 5.10 and 5.11 kernel in ubuntu 20.04. No need to upgrade to 21.04
[22:53] <src> Guest25: hopefully needless to say, but your 20.04 installation is fully up to date?
[22:54] <leftyfb> Guest25: linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04-edge will give you the 5.11 kernel
[22:55] <Guest25> It's got Mac OS on it right now. I just ran 20.04 again from the USB drive to see if changing the wake on lan or power settings would make a difference. Didn't seem to change anything so I'll go ahead and try 21.04 since I've got in downloading to USB now. Shouldn't take too long to install.
[22:55] <leftyfb> Guest25: the only real difference that's probably going to affect you is the kernel, which you can run in 20.04 as mentioned above. Save you a lot of time by just installing that and rebooting
[23:13] <tomreyn> !acpi_osi | Guest25
[23:14] <tomreyn> this approach (trying to make it look like windows) may seem weird here, but it could still work.
[23:15] <tomreyn> acpi is the "advanced configuration and power interface", it's a way for firmware and OS to talk to each other, and handle power management (such as power off) events and firmware configurations queries.
[23:16] <Guest25> Interesting. I haven't tried that yet. Right now I'm waiting to see what happens with 21.04. I loaded it up and it booted fine. On shutdown it's hung at the little spinner. I'm just waiting to see if it's going to reboot or just freeze forever. Usually in the past it would reboot. If it just hangs that's at least different behavior.
[23:17] <tomreyn> if this firmware (the mac's) doesn't properly understand the way linux is teling it to "power off now", then trying to make it look like a more well known (to this firmware) OS is telling it to do so (windows) might actually make it do so properly. but it's really guessing. it helps on some systems but not others.
[23:19] <leftyfb> Guest25:  yeah, I guess you could have just completely ignored my suggestion to try the same kernel in 21.04 on the 20.04 install you already had and save you some time. That works as well
[23:19] <optimant> Guest25: do you know the model name of your specific iMac? you said 2015 and 21.5" so I think it's iMac16,1 or iMac16,2 but that can help search for bug reports and the like. (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201634)
[23:22] <tomreyn> the only things that should really matter there linux-wise are the kernel version and * really just maybe * the systemd version. as leftyfb pointed out (twice now ;-) ) you can switch between different kernel versions while you have an LTS release (20.04 being the latest) installed - it's probably good enough for testing.
[23:23] <Guest25> Yes, it's a 16,2
[23:24] <Guest25> Looks like it's just frozen at this point. It would have usually restarted on it's own by now on previous versions.
[23:32] <optimant> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103211 seems related - different hardware but similar presentation. that was patched with a model specific quirk, if you're up for building a kernel from source you could try editing the quirk to match your model instead. but the offending address range might be different, or it may be something completely unrelated
[23:32] <optimant> if messing with acpi config etc. doesn't yield anything that's where i would spend time trying to pick up the trail myself.
[23:35] <noarb-> I'm trying to study the layout of an apt repo in ubuntu. I was referencing the debian https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_debian_package_management_internals details about top-level and Archive-level Release files. Does ubuntu maintain a separate reference?
[23:40] <tomreyn> noarb-: i don't think there's separate documentation for ubuntu, things should be identical for .deb and apt repositories for the very most part. note there is also #ubuntu-devel
[23:53] <Guest25> I ran the updates to 21.04 and rebooted.  After the reboot I shutdown and it seemed to shutdown quickly. However after a minute or two it rebooted. I then tried suspend on a whim, and that behaved almost identically.  After it came back up I tried shutdown again, and it's been
[23:53] <Guest25> quiet for many minutes now with no reboot. I tried hitting keys on the keyboard and clicking the mouse and nothing, so I think it actually shutdown this time. Odd.
[23:55] <Guest25> Spoke too soon. It was hung up. The power button wouldn't reboot it. Had to hold down the button for a while and then press it again. :-(
[23:56] <britho> FWIW, I was getting a 500 error trying to access a specific page in the wiki a few times.  Once I visited the wiki's homepage, there 500 error went away.


[14:25] <_Marcus> I heard you guiys do contests for the backgrounds for the new releases, right?
[14:25] <_Marcus> Or am I in the wrong channel
[14:26] <iainfarrell> Hey _Marcus
[14:26] <iainfarrell> not a contest as such
[14:26] <iainfarrell> there's a submission and selection process each cycle though
[14:26] <_Marcus> Where can I find more information about this?
[14:26] <iainfarrell> hang on a sec
[14:27] <iainfarrell> This was how we kicked it off this time
[14:27] <iainfarrell> http://design.canonical.com/2012/01/precisely-how-were-going-to-make-the-wallpapers-in-12-04-the-best-ever/
[14:27] <iainfarrell> but it's finished now
[14:27] <iainfarrell> for 12.04
[14:27] <_Marcus> Aw, okay
[14:27] <_Marcus> Thank you
[14:27] <iainfarrell> we'll do it again for 12.10 though
[14:27] <iainfarrell> nw :)
[14:27] <_Marcus> Bye


[02:51] <nigelb> morning
[05:59] <duanedesign> morning all
[05:59] <pleia2> evening, duanedesign
[05:59] <duanedesign> :)
[07:27] <duanedesign> anyone seen ircanswers.com?
[07:27] <nigelb> neat
[07:28]  * duanedesign nods
[07:28] <nigelb> basically generating ad revenue through some good progamming work.
[07:28] <duanedesign> i just found an answer to a question from that site
[07:28] <nigelb> I like the idea :)
[07:29] <duanedesign> looks like it queues in on ?
[07:29] <nigelb> looks like it works of irclogs.ubuntu.com
[07:29] <nigelb> Its not hard to run an irssi session and get it working that way.
[07:31] <duanedesign> they kinda overdid it with the Google ads though
[07:31] <duanedesign> 4 google ad windows per page
[07:32] <duanedesign> plus a banner ad
[07:32] <duanedesign> .25
[07:32] <duanedesign> ahh
[07:32] <nigelb> yeah, that's what I'm a bit irritated about.
[07:42] <kim0> Morning everyone
[08:13] <duanedesign> o/
[08:16] <duanedesign> anyone with an ati card care to give an opinion about a wiki page?
[08:16] <dholbach> good morning
[08:17] <duanedesign> o/
[08:17] <kim0> o/
[08:17] <dpm> good morning all
[08:17] <duanedesign> .28
[08:17] <duanedesign> ugh
[08:18] <kim0> what's the .28 ? :)
[08:19] <duanedesign> supposed to be /28
[08:19] <duanedesign> to change windows in irrsi :P
[08:19] <kim0> ah hehe
[08:22] <duanedesign> still dark here and I am bad at typing :)
[08:23] <kim0> :)
[08:23] <kim0> Illuminated kbs ftw :)
[08:23] <dholbach> hey kim0, duanedesign, dpm
[08:23] <duanedesign> +1
[08:24] <kim0> dholbach: howdy
[08:26] <duanedesign> i was just showing nigel this site i found this morning http://ircanswers.com/
[08:30] <dpm> hey dholbach and all :)
[08:32] <duanedesign> nigelb: you had that bug  where you got the blank question while apport was collecting info
[08:33] <duanedesign> nigelb: for a kernel bug. Did you ever find anything out about that?
[08:55] <nigelb> duanedesign: don't know about tat
[08:56] <duanedesign> kk
[09:12] <nigelb> duanedesign: but if you need some help in apport, feel free to poke :)
[15:22] <jcastro> akgraner: ping
[15:27] <akgraner> jcastro, pong
[15:27] <jcastro> hey how is the new castle?
[15:27] <akgraner> awesome...:-)
[15:28] <akgraner> still need curtains and a desks for the offices but we are getting there :-)
[15:30] <akgraner> you all are invited to stop by and visit if you are ever in NC
[15:31] <akgraner> no to tell some more people about kim0 's cloud days :-)
[15:31] <kim0> akgraner: hehe :D
[15:32] <akgraner> I upgraded to Natty and well I set the classic desktop back...but I kept unity on my netbook
[15:32] <akgraner> not sure how I feel about using Unity but I like how it looks :-)
[15:34] <akgraner> grrr I can't get qwibber to open - it keeps closing unexpectedly now :-(
[15:36] <popey> akgraner: broken for me too
[15:37] <popey> bug filed
[15:37] <akgraner> looks like I was stuck in some kind of loop
[15:37] <popey> yeah
[15:37] <popey> have you unwedged it?
[15:37] <akgraner> load meter was pegged...and it finally opened
[15:38] <akgraner> yep it finally opened for me now I am going to see if I can post anything
[15:38] <popey> BAH!
[15:38] <akgraner> could be I just got lucky too
[15:39] <popey> bug 736848
[15:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 736848 in gwibber "gwibber crashed with DBusException in call_blocking(): org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken." [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/736848
[15:42] <akgraner> hmmm...I need to find aout exactly where the issues was at and file a bug b/c I just closed qwibber and tried to reopen it and got "gwibber crasher unexpectedly" again
[15:57] <dholbach> jono, enjoy the recording
[15:57]  * nigelb wavse
[15:57] <nigelb> waves even
[15:57] <nigelb> today is a fail day.  sigh.
[15:57] <jono> thanks dholbach
[15:58] <dholbach> jono, I had nothing to discuss for our call anyway ;-)
[15:58] <jcastro> MORE BASS.
[15:58] <jcastro> "I don't know, I just feel like the bass is taking away from the vocals"
[15:58]  * dholbach gets back to presentation material
[16:07] <jono> dholbach, cool :-)
[16:11] <akgraner> jcastro, no needs more cowbell ;-)
[16:11] <nigelb> so are we getting the gong for lightning talks this time?
[16:12] <akgraner> we really need a gong...wonder if rackspace will let us borrow theirs?
[16:12] <akgraner> they have one in their Austin office
[16:12] <nigelb> jcastro: ^^
[16:12] <nigelb> ask soren to pick it up his way :P
[16:13] <jcastro> if someone brings a gong
[16:13] <jcastro> I will use it
[16:13] <akgraner> if not we can give jcastro the cowbell to use
[16:13] <nigelb> haha
[16:13] <nigelb> give the bell to the person doing the talk
[16:14] <akgraner> I have cowbell on the brain today.../me goes back to work on that note and returns everyone to their regularly scheduled channel chat :-P
[16:14] <jcastro> woo
[16:28] <nigelb> I wonder if we should try lighting talks for uadw too.
[16:47] <jcastro> AlanBell: something I am just noticing now
[16:47] <jcastro> is how unideal the new wiki skin is with tables: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/Lenses/Ideas
[16:48] <nigelb> jcastro: its missing css for the tables
[16:48] <nigelb> we can submit a patch for it if you'd like
[16:48] <jcastro> sure, but it's no big deal
[16:48] <jcastro> would be nice though!
[16:48] <nigelb> (well, they actually removed the table borders, we can put it right back)
[16:49] <AlanBell> yeah, that can be fixed
[16:49] <AlanBell> that was broken in the last version too, someone really doesn't like table borders
[16:50] <nigelb> AlanBell: you need to find the desingers and give them a heart to heart talk ;)
[16:50] <nigelb> especially about fluid layouts
[16:50] <AlanBell> heh
[16:50] <AlanBell> I think they know my views on that
[16:51] <nigelb> jcastro: ^^ if we arrange that, there will be nor more design issues like /ever/ :-P
[16:51] <jcastro> well
[16:51] <jcastro> assuming we had a meeting on the wiki
[16:51] <jcastro> and I was in it
[16:52] <jcastro> I would say "I don't know why we bother fixing the default skin, everyone who uses GOOGLE ends up using an edubuntu skin ANYWAY."
[16:52] <nigelb> haha
[16:52] <nigelb> true!
[16:52] <jcastro> greatest irony, Canonical unable to use a canonical tag
[16:52] <AlanBell> yup :)
[16:52] <nigelb> lol
[16:52] <nigelb> dpm: ping?
[16:52] <AlanBell> I was coding up a fix for that in the old skin
[16:53] <dpm> hey nigelb
[16:53] <nigelb> dpm: hey, I'm trying to coordiate that UGJ set of classroom sessions
[16:53] <dpm> cool
[16:53] <nigelb> dpm: would you be interested in a translations session on monday 28th, or can you recommend someone who could possibly do it?
[16:54] <dpm> nigelb, yeah, I'd be up for it. What times are you thinking of?
[16:54] <nigelb> dpm: 1600 UTC?
[16:54] <nigelb> or 1700 UTC if you want
[16:55] <dpm> nigelb, 16:00 UTC sounds great
[16:55] <nigelb> awesome thanks :)
[16:55] <nigelb> dpm: what should I title your talk as? "How to start helping with translations"?
[16:56] <dpm> nigelb, yeah, or "How to run a translations jam", depending on what the general topic for the sessions is
[16:57] <nigelb> the general topic is how to rock UGJ :)
[17:03] <dpm> nigelb, yeah, whichever fits in best, "How to start helping with translations" sounds good
[17:03] <nigelb> dpm: :)
[17:03] <dpm> doctormo, around? Would you be up for a session on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek?
[17:03] <doctormo> dpm: What would you want tought?
[17:07] <akgraner> kim0, what's the hashtag for Ubuntu Cloud Days? UCD?
[17:08] <kim0> akgraner: yep
[17:08] <nigelb> akgraner: #kim0onthecloud :P
[17:08] <kim0> oh nooo :)
[17:08] <dpm> doctormo, what about something along the lines of "Ground Control + Launchpad: Application Development Made Easy"? What do you think?
[17:08] <akgraner> k thanks!
[17:08] <kim0> thank you!
[17:08] <nigelb> dpm: if you can't fill the last session on last day
[17:08] <nigelb> dpm: I can organize a set of lightning talks :)
[17:09] <doctormo> dpm: Sounds like a good idea, I'll check my calednar and get back to you tomorrow?
[17:10] <dpm> doctormo, sure, thanks!
[17:11] <dpm> nigelb, sounds great, do you want to add it as a suggestion to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek/Prep?
[17:11] <nigelb> yup, will do
[17:14] <dpm> doctormo, btw, http://ground-control.org/ seems to be down
[17:14]  * nigelb stabs the wiki
[17:15] <doctormo> dpm: Seems to work here, are you in india?
[17:15] <nigelb> lol
[17:18] <dpm> doctormo, worse (internetwise): in Spain
[17:18] <doctormo> nigelb: Can you access ground-control.org?
[17:20] <nigelb> doctormo: YES! India fares good :P
[17:21] <doctormo> dpm: Can you send me a route log? Would be interested in seeing where is failing.
[17:21] <dpm> doctormo, if you tell me how to, I'll be happy to do it :)
[17:23] <popey> dpm: mtr ground-control.org
[17:23] <popey> (site works for me in the UK btw)
[17:24] <dholbach> I'll call it a day - see you all tomorrow!
[17:24]  * dholbach hugs you all
[17:25]  * nigelb hugs dholbach :)
[17:26] <nigelb> dpm: is it possible that I can bump you to 1700 instead of 1600?
[17:29] <nigelb> popey: poke
[17:29] <nigelb> popey: (yes, I'm going to ask you for an IRC session :P)
[17:30] <popey> heh
[17:30] <popey> about what?
[17:31] <nigelb> "How the ubuntu-uk does it - ubuntu global jam"
[17:31] <nigelb> popey: ^^
[17:32] <popey> never been to one :D
[17:32] <nigelb> darn :p
[17:32] <popey> so I _may_ not be the best person to ask :)
[17:33] <popey> but fire away with other ideas :D
[17:33] <nigelb> I have only 2 more topics to fill
[17:33] <nigelb> one about triaging bugs
[17:33] <nigelb> and one from someone who's hosted/been to one:)
[17:33] <popey> \o/ off the hook
[17:34] <nigelb> Is it too early for a release party session? ;)
[17:34] <dpm> popey, thanks for the tip
[17:34] <popey> np
[17:34] <dpm> doctormo, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/583413/
[17:34] <nigelb> doctormo!
[17:34] <dpm> nigelb, I'd prefer 1600 if possible, or perhaps earlier?
[17:35] <nigelb> dpm: np, then, I'll fill people and make it bigger :)
[17:35]  * nigelb pokes AlanBell
[17:35] <AlanBell> o/
[17:36] <nigelb> AlanBell: would you like to talk about 'how ubuntu-uk does it - UGJ' ?
[17:36] <AlanBell> um, we kind of haven't really
[17:36] <AlanBell> we do plan to do one
[17:36] <nigelb> oh noes.
[17:36] <AlanBell> not sure what we are going to do for it exactly
[17:37] <nigelb> hehe, same here
[17:37] <nigelb> I figured there'd be a lot of people in that situation and we're having a bunch of sessions for that ;)
[17:38]  * nigelb looks at loco.ubuntu.com
[17:41] <nigelb> bah, no paultag.
[18:03] <paultag> what's up nigelb
[19:16] <akgraner> popey, looks like I will be filing a big after all - gwibber opens and it looks like it posts updates but it's a trick :-(  it posts nothing
[19:17] <akgraner> s/big/bug
[22:05] <mhall119> akgraner: which network?
[22:05] <mhall119> oh, you posted that hours ago...


[21:25] <cjohnston> daker!!!!!
[21:28] <daker> cjohnston: o/
[21:28] <cjohnston> daker, daker, daker...
[21:28] <daker> cjohnston, cjohnston, cjohnston
[21:28] <cjohnston> https://code.launchpad.net/~daker/loco-team-portal/ltp-django1.3/+merge/81638
[21:29] <daker> oh django 1.4?
[21:29] <cjohnston> 1.3
[21:29] <cjohnston> Does anyone have 1.4 built for lucid?
[21:30] <daker> they are still using lucid ?
[21:32] <daker> they are using 1.3 from ppa ? or pypi ?
[21:32] <cjohnston> ppa
[21:32] <cjohnston> they dont use pypi
[21:33] <cjohnston> I'm checking about lucid/precise
[21:33] <cjohnston> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/109182616/python-django-openid-auth_0.2%2Bempty%2Bubuntu1.debdiff
[21:40] <daker> cjohnston: explain
[22:12] <cjohnston> sorry, the debdiff wasnt for you
[22:14] <daker> :)
[22:15] <cjohnston> daker: We are still on lucid..
[22:15] <cjohnston> atleast for now
[22:16] <cjohnston> but going to 1.3 is one step closer to 1.4
[22:17] <cjohnston> daker: mhall119 http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/python-django-adminaudit
[22:17] <cjohnston> check out maintainers
[22:18] <daker> wwwoooow
[22:21] <daker> cjohnston: wanna teach me how to do it ?
[22:22] <cjohnston> daker: one day when i learn how
[22:22] <cjohnston> daker: I am going to backport that to precise and really want to get it in ltp
[22:23] <daker> and lucid too
[22:23] <cjohnston> I want to get ltp off lucid
[22:23] <cjohnston> instead of backport it


[06:54] <diplo> Morning all
[07:22] <Myrtti> moin.
[07:48] <awilkins> Obvious question ; is there a patch for Shellshock (CVE-2014-6271) in the Ubuntu repositories yet?  http://www.csoonline.com/article/2687265/application-security/remote-exploit-in-bash-cve-2014-6271.html
[07:49] <Myrtti> what I heard was that Debian and Ubuntu aren't directly affected because they use dash by default instead of bash.
[07:49] <Myrtti> I could be wrong though
[07:51] <awilkins> I think bash is the default user shell
[07:52] <Myrtti> that's new then.
[07:52] <Myrtti> when was that changed from dash?
[07:52] <awilkins> dash is linked to /bin/sh
[07:52] <awilkins> So it will be the default shell that runs most scripts
[07:57] <awilkins> So ; there is a patch, it's already been applied to all my servers because they have automatic security updates on, huzzah.
[07:59] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:05] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Psychotherapy Day! :-D
[08:08] <JamesTait> Is it just here in Derby, or did someone turn summer off completely?
[08:08] <foobarry> ok down south
[08:08] <arsen> colder here in london :)
[08:08] <arsen> all the cars were cold and damp this morning.
[08:09] <JamesTait> I think we've had that for a couple of weeks, but it's normally starting to warm up by this time.
[08:10] <foobarry> agh, the large novel in my bag squashed my morning croissant
[08:10] <JamesTait> This is the first morning I've had to keep stopping typing to warm my hands.
[08:10] <arsen> in the great debate over books vs croissant, croissant has to take priority
[09:18] <foobarry> ebooks usually win, but the book was 50p in charity shop
[09:20] <zmoylan-pi> the number of second hand book shops in dublin has dropped to such a low level
[09:21] <zmoylan-pi> lots of charity shops with tiny book sections but only useful if looking for 50 copies of dan brown
[09:21] <Myrtti> ooh croissants.
[09:21]  * Myrtti cries over myfitnesspal
[09:22] <foobarry> i was amazed to find haruki murakami books in charity shop
[09:22] <foobarry> but this was devon. their charity shops are better than the regular shops
[09:22] <zmoylan-pi> i did see halo jones 2000ad graphic novels in one though, but i already have it
[09:22] <foobarry> charity shops are good for cookery books too
[09:23] <foobarry> but my house is full of books
[09:23] <foobarry> and my attic
[09:24] <foobarry> i have a load of old spiderman/batman et al comics in my loft, probably papier mache by now
[09:27] <zmoylan-pi> if they're in good nick could be worth a few shekels
[09:28] <zmoylan-pi> i have a *lot* of 2000ad in cbr format, i'm still waiting for a good tablet to read them on, i reckon it has to be a3 in size
[09:34] <davmor2> This is the voice of the mysterons
[09:36]  * zmoylan-pi hands davmor2 a lozenge
[09:37] <davmor2> I don't know why captian scarlet intro jumped into my head but there we go :)
[09:37]  * zmoylan-pi is more of a thunderbirds theme opening fan
[09:38] <zmoylan-pi> sorry meant stingray there, memory is still running on low coffee levels
[09:38] <zmoylan-pi> but they were all pretty good theme tunes
[09:39] <foobarry> i had to run yum clean all on a bunch of my boxen before i could see the updated bash package. any idea why?
[10:03] <NET||abuse> foobarry, cause yum.
[11:00] <bigcalm> popey: know the mates rates package we get with VM?
[11:00] <popey> what about it?
[11:01] <bigcalm> popey: I just got VM to apply a £20pcm rolling credit to our account
[11:01] <popey> ooh!
[11:01] <bigcalm> It was the only way to keep me as a customer
[11:01] <popey> how?
[11:01] <popey> you're moving though
[11:01] <bigcalm> Yep
[11:02] <bigcalm> Because we're moving, I knew we'd lose our Mates Rates discount. So I spent over 1 hour on the phone discussing what options we have to keep my custom
[11:02] <Laney> wtf
[11:02]  * bigcalm is grinning
[11:02] <bigcalm> Once bills have settelled, we'll be paying in the region of £35pcm
[11:02] <Laney> here I am eating the 3 £1.50/month increases we've had recently
[11:03] <bigcalm> Disconnection on 10th, connection on the 11th
[11:04] <bigcalm> Looking forward to 100mb connection
[11:04] <bigcalm> popey: what's your upload rate?
[11:04] <popey> 5
[11:05] <bigcalm> Better than the 3 I have
[11:05] <bigcalm> If we didn't keep VM, we would have gone with FTTC ADSL and have 19mb upload
[11:05] <foobarry> "Red Hat has become aware that the patch for CVE-2014-6271 is incomplete. "
[11:05] <foobarry> Red Hat advices customers to upgrade to the version of bash which contains the fix for CVE-2014-6271 and not wait for the patch which fixes CVE-2014-7169. CVE-2014-7169 is a less severe issue and patches for it are being worked on.
[11:09] <popey> i like the way that is worded
[11:09] <popey> what they mean is "some guy on twitter told us" ☻
[11:11] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:13] <foobarry> yeah
[11:31] <knightwise> morning everyone
[11:33] <brobostigon> afternoonings knightwise
[11:39] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[11:39] <knightwise> how are you
[11:40] <brobostigon> not bad, eczema could be better, and you?
[11:42] <knightwise> doin ok, crying a little because I had to give back the Samsung 32inch 4K display I had on a loan for review
[11:44] <directhex> knightwise: i think i'd struggle with a monitor that big
[11:44] <directhex> i already can't keep track of everything on my mac screen and my 27" at once
[11:45] <zmoylan-pi> my biggest monitor is ~21"
[11:46] <popey> 23 here
[11:46] <zmoylan-pi> and it's a wide screen jobbie which i hate
[11:46] <zmoylan-pi> my favourie is a 19" 4:3 monitor i got a few moons ago
[11:54] <knightwise> It is a bit TOO big
[11:54]  * knightwise currently workds with a retina 15 inch mb pro and 2 24 inch in portrait mode
[11:55] <foobarry> so the bash vuln can be exploited with user-agent string :-|
[11:55] <bigcalm> Nice
[11:57] <awilkins> What, in a browser?
[11:59] <foobarry> yes
[11:59] <foobarry> env X="() { :;} ; echo busted" `which bash` -c "echo completed"
[11:59] <foobarry> woops
[11:59] <foobarry> https://twitter.com/securifybv/status/515035044294172673
[11:59] <foobarry> is 13.10 still updated
[12:00] <zmoylan-pi> i seem to remember updating from that because it wasn't...
[12:01] <intrbiz> foobarry: or any other header that will be passed to the CGI
[12:03] <foobarry> worms a-coming
[12:03] <popey> 13.10 EOL July
[12:03] <foobarry> argh
[12:11] <zmoylan-pi> i think it popped up a message then that convinced me to upgrade a few days later
[12:14] <DJones> foobarry: Might be worth subscribing to the ubuntu-announce mailing list, maybe 2-3 messages a month, normally EOL/Release notifications
[12:16] <foobarry> yeah
[12:17] <foobarry> the main issue is just finding non lts boxen
[13:10] <diddledan> oh golly
[13:10] <diddledan> the bash vulnerability announced yesterday covers MANY versions
[13:10] <diddledan> https://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2014-6271
[13:15] <awilkins> Yeah, as someone pointed out, not as bad as OpenSSL because people don't statically link shells....
[13:15] <awilkins> One update and you're covered
[13:16] <awilkins> And all the embedded things use Busybox / ash anyway
[13:38] <foobarry> cgi-bin
[14:08] <intrbiz> presumably there are less people using publicly available CGIs than were running affected OpenSSL
[14:09] <diplo> 1 in 50 ish it seems
[14:09] <diplo> According to some sites I've read
[14:09] <diplo> Things like cpanel can be affected
[14:09] <intrbiz> diplo: interesting
[14:10] <jpds> awilkins / diddledan: Seen the NSS vuln? :)
[14:10] <diddledan> jpds: I heard a rumour but not heard what it actually entails
[14:10] <jpds> diddledan: $  host -t txt istheinternetonfire.com
[14:11] <diplo> intrbiz, I've not seen any confirmed stuff yet though, lots of speculation
[14:13] <intrbiz> diddledan: NSS bug was an ASN.1 parsing issue which could allow forged certs IIRC
[14:25] <bigcalm> fewer
[14:25]  * bigcalm goes back to cobbling together a bash script
[15:10] <bigcalm> Anybody know how to use "readarray" in bash? I'm struggling to read a text file into an array
[15:10] <awilkins> bigcalm, one record per line?
[15:11] <bigcalm> awilkins: yes
[15:12] <awilkins> while read LINE ; do echo "STUFF WITH $LINE" ; done < file-with-lines
[15:12] <bigcalm> Oh
[15:12] <bigcalm> I guess that works :)
[15:14] <bigcalm> awilkins: yay
[15:14] <bigcalm> My crontab combiner works :D
[15:14] <intrbiz> you can also do: cat file | while read l ; do echo $l ; done
[15:14] <intrbiz> type thing
[15:18] <bigcalm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8426112/
[15:18] <bigcalm> Does the job but could do with improvement
[15:18] <bigcalm> Bash is not my 1st language ;)
[15:19] <bigcalm> The point of this script is to combine crontab files from different projects by different developers using the same user account on a client's server
[15:21] <bigcalm> Just spotted a ; that didn't need to be there. I struggle to write code and not end a line with ;
[15:32]  * diddledan wanders off on a chocolate hunt
[15:33] <zmoylan-pi> be careful, wounded chocolate can turn nasty :-)
[15:53] <daftykins> hahaha
[15:57] <bigcalm> My bowls have turned nasty, they feel wounded as well
[15:58] <bigcalm> *bowels
[15:58] <NET||abuse> TMI
[15:58] <daftykins> +1 to the TMI
[15:59]  * bigcalm slithers off
[16:00] <daftykins> eww
[16:00] <daftykins> :)
[16:02] <bigcalm> o.O
[16:02] <bigcalm> That's your own imagination now
[16:02] <daftykins> yip
[16:03]  * bigcalm tuts
[16:09] <davmor2> bigcalm: I would hope that English was your first language :P
[16:11] <bigcalm> davmor2: debateable
[16:11] <bigcalm> Or debatable
[16:11] <bigcalm> No spell checker with X-chat in windows...
[16:12] <davmor2> bigcalm: I've seen your code, your English is definitely better :P
[16:12] <dutchie> zing
[16:12] <bigcalm> :O
[16:13] <bigcalm> Going to oggcamp this year?
[16:13] <dutchie> i am!
[16:13] <dutchie> i even have half a talk (so far)
[16:13] <daftykins> :D
[16:14] <dutchie> need to work out when i am drinking with oggcampy people and when with oxfordy people thoguh
[16:14] <dutchie> though
[16:14] <davmor2> bigcalm: no, I was planning on it, but then the Councils scheduled, a load of works on our home at the same time :(
[16:14] <daftykins> ah the social cameleon bit, eh
[16:14] <bigcalm> davmor2: poo
[16:14] <dutchie> daftykins: something like that
[16:15] <dutchie> hmm, should also check the buses from city centre out to the venue
[16:20] <daftykins> i've noticed the growing popularity of that term
[16:20] <daftykins> i remember times when things either were or weren't ;)
[16:29] <popey> \o/ oggcamp
[16:29] <daftykins> the name of that confuses me, makes me think it's a whole event about an audio format
[16:34] <zmoylan-pi> or nanny ogg :-)
[16:34] <bigcalm> Nanny Ogg was anything but camp!
[16:35] <popey> looking forward to oggcamp this year
[16:35] <zmoylan-pi> but you could imagine an entire camp of oggs
[16:36] <bigcalm> popey: have you been in training for giving out the raffle prizes?
[16:37] <zmoylan-pi> he's put together a sparkly costume? :-)
[16:37] <popey> newp
[16:37] <bigcalm> zmoylan-pi: quite, she did have a few off spring...
[16:37] <bigcalm> popey: yes, go with the sparkely!
[16:41] <Myrtti> we're coming too!
[16:41] <Myrtti> I'll try not to hoard everything from the raffle this time
[16:41] <Myrtti> :->
[16:42] <bigcalm> :D
[16:43] <popey> yay!
[16:44] <zmoylan-pi> how many leds can one aurdino control for maximum sparkles on a costume? :-)
[16:45] <Myrtti> zmoylan-pi: sounds like you're trying to do exactly my project
[16:45] <daftykins> Myrtti: did you have an unusual spate of good luck, once before?
[16:45] <Myrtti> daftykins: back in 2011
[16:46] <bigcalm> Myrtti: won my penguin!
[16:46] <Myrtti> and some Ubuntu swag
[16:46] <Myrtti> dsample uses the bag for his laptop nowadays
[16:47] <Myrtti> I used it for a good while too
[16:47] <popey> I am going to win everything so I don't need to run anywhere
[16:47] <Myrtti> bigcalm: that penguin is one of the few plushies that actually made the trip back to UK with my moving boxes
[16:48] <Myrtti> most I've given away
[16:48] <bigcalm> Wow
[16:48] <bigcalm> Myrtti: that's cool :)
[19:18] <dogmatic69> The following packages have unmet dependencies.
[19:18] <dogmatic69>  linux-headers-3.13.0-36-generic : Depends: linux-headers-3.13.0-36 but it is not installed
[19:18] <dogmatic69> so 3.13.0-36 requires 3.13.0-36?
[19:22] <diddledan> interesting job posting: http://woto.com/code
[20:13] <ali1234> diddledan: they want you to sign up for their website, make a page on it, then share it to social media. ie applying requires you to promote their terrible idea. and the "job" is an internship.
[20:18] <ali1234> it's an interesting solution to the situation where your company gets more resumes than your website gets users
[20:37] <diddledan> does facebook know me that well? they just advertised slippers at me
[20:48] <zmoylan-pi> your age, gender and location would be all you'd need to recommend slippers?
[21:02] <betternick> hi!
[21:03] <betternick> hi!
[21:15] <diddledan> http://www.startrek.com/article/chase-masterson-scott-palm-guest-blog-in-real-life
[21:15] <diddledan> awesome
[21:48] <diddledan> new hacking thriller: http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi1687990041
[22:01] <zmoylan-pi> the best hacking movie remains http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091464/ no computers whatsoever :-)
[22:17] <ali1234> carmack wants to bring back interlace
[22:20] <ali1234> and he wants high dynamic range displays
[22:20] <ali1234> lol
[22:21] <zmoylan-pi> that'll make tetris so much better :-p
[22:23] <ali1234> plus trolls will be able to blind people by posting photos of the sun
[22:25] <zmoylan-pi> flushing out epileptics will never be so easy
[22:31] <diddledan> yey for the FSF using shellshock (bash's bug) to promote freedom
[22:33] <diddledan> if you want to read, it's over here: https://fsf.org/news/free-software-foundation-statement-on-the-gnu-bash-shellshock-vulnerability
[22:51] <directhex> pfft
[22:51] <directhex> diddledan, attacking apple over it... every mac ships with bash
[22:52] <ali1234> is there a new patch yet?
[22:52] <daftykins> i just installed a second one on lucid server here
[22:53] <diddledan> ali1234: I received a followup announcement just this minute from ubuntu securtiy
[22:53] <ali1234> ah yeah i see a new package now, that's not more than 2 hours old
[23:00] <zmoylan-pi> when i try env X="() { :;} ; echo busted" /bin/sh -c "echo stuff" on both my ubuntu and 1 rasp pi it seems fine
[23:00] <ali1234> because /bin/sh is dash on ubuntu
[23:00] <ali1234> change it to /bin/bash
[23:00] <zmoylan-pi> ah
[23:01] <zmoylan-pi> my bad :-)
[23:01] <ali1234> same is true of debian and therefor raspbian
[23:34] <daftykins> why won't my cat let me type? :(
[23:34] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/2vtznfi3kd56smk/IMG_20140926_002500.jpg?dl=0
[23:34] <diddledan> nawww, soo coot
[23:35] <daftykins> 8D
[23:35] <diddledan> soft kitty, warm kitty
[23:43] <zmoylan-pi> little sharp bitey ball of fur kitty
[23:44] <daftykins> it can be quite frustrating when they knead on you in a thin t-shirt
[23:44] <daftykins> *stabbity stab stab to the stomach*
[23:44] <zmoylan-pi> it's i'm being nice, you just have to hope it stops soon
[23:44] <diddledan> yeah, but we're martyrs and won't make them stop


[00:07] <phillw> SonikkuAmerica:  as the community re-spin is exactly a community re-spin. For what is currently occurring and being trialled can not really be discussed on here. Until Unit193 gives me further direction, I can state that #phillw is a primary channel and all areas I'm involved with are welcome on there. But... I'm not allowed to adverstise.... :: SHRUG ::.
[01:01] <SonikkuAmerica> phillw: Well yeah, we take for granted the "i386" designation
[01:03] <phillw> SonikkuAmerica: let us not go there for what the release team should actually call it.... I'm no longer a ubuntu person because of what the release team get up to :D
[01:03] <SonikkuAmerica> hehe
[01:05] <SonikkuAmerica> So anyway, more i686 testing to follow, now that I have my VBox up and raring to go
[01:09] <phillw> SonikkuAmerica: as long as you are happy with Vbox :P
[01:10] <SonikkuAmerica> Remind me: QEMU?
[01:11] <phillw> SonikkuAmerica: yup, it has that
[01:13] <phillw> SonikkuAmerica:  kvm is the part of the kernel that is used for cloud... so, as the various people argue the toss, if it has been accepted into the kernel by the people who over see the linux kernel... That's good enough for me :)
[01:14] <SonikkuAmerica> :)
[01:22] <phillw> SonikkuAmerica: and, for any community respins, they are not actually supported on #lubuntu.
[06:56] <anth0ny_> Is it possible to install Lubuntu without the desktop?  Or is that basically Ubuntu Server?
[06:57] <Unit193> It'd be more like the mini.
[07:04] <anth0ny_> Unit193: do you know how the mini compares to Ubuntu Server?
[07:04] <Unit193> Doesn't come with much, you install what you want.  Lubuntu without the desktop is like saying Lubuntu without Lubuntu.
[07:04] <Unit193> !mini
[07:28] <JordanJ2> Can anyone help me have lubuntu in VMWare workstation, installed VMWare tools and getting this error runnung it: http://trashb.info/7f254376
[16:46] <sgo11> hi, how to change lxde logo in the panel? and lxde image in the shutdown menu? thanks.
[17:54] <michael__> hello
[17:55] <michael__> may i ask some question as a linux beginner ?
[17:55] <qin> Perhaps.
[17:56] <michael__> i am new at the linux platform.. i worked a lot with windows.. but i want to try something new for me... so i installed lubuntu on my samsung netbook.. now i try to install drivers..  but i got some problems
[17:57] <michael__> oh..
[17:57] <michael__> some text is cut.. sorry
[17:58] <michael__> i tried to install samsung-backlight from the voria package.. but it's unable to locate.. so i looked for another solution.. and found a samsung-laptop driver from greg koah-hartman, but i am unable to install it
[18:03] <vlouvet> michael__, what samsung model is it?
[18:06] <michael__> nf110
[18:28] <TiredOldCoder> Any developers out there?
[18:32] <phillw> TiredOldCoder: Julien, our head of dev is not about, at present we have few devs.
[18:33] <TiredOldCoder> I was trying to get all the headers I needed to do lxpanel plugin development and I have hosed up my system.  Now it boots to tty1 window.
[18:34] <TiredOldCoder> And I have no recollection of everything I installed.