[12:20] <giangy> yawn
[12:54] <Riddell> manchicken: get my e-mail?
[12:54] <nixternal> did it have any money attached?
[12:54] <nixternal> ;)
[12:55] <manchicken> The one about it killing the indicator icon?
[12:55] <manchicken> Yeah, I've been trying to shoot that one down for an hour or so  now.
[12:55] <manchicken> I'm sure that as I get more comfortable with C++ it will be easier, but the semantics of the language are just biting me in the ass.
[12:56] <Riddell> adept is more difficult than most because it uses stl stuff rather than nice Qt
[12:56] <manchicken> Right now I'm trying to figure out how to get the overridden pixmap method to call a parent pixmap method, but due to constness it's proving to be more trouble than I thought.
[12:56] <manchicken> Yes.
[12:56] <manchicken> I totally agree.
[12:56] <manchicken> though this problem is 100% a weirdness in how the Qt stuff is done.
[12:56] <Riddell> yes, qt 3 list views are curious things
[12:56] <manchicken> Overriding the virtuals in Qt seems to cause headache sometimes.
[12:56] <Riddell> adept takes it to the limit really
[12:57] <manchicken> Curious is an exceptionally polite term for them :)
[12:58] <manchicken> I wish I could tell the compiler "yes, I know it's a const.  I'd like to treat it like a const as well... but you're bitching about nothing"
[12:58] <manchicken> But I can't... because it's only a program.
[12:58] <manchicken> And no matter how much you'd like to, you can't slap the sense into a program.
[01:04] <giangy> uhm
[01:09] <Riddell> consts are crazy things
[01:10] <Riddell> it means about 10 different things in c++
[01:10] <nixternal> heh, I know named constants, and you mean there are more? ;p
[01:13] <giangy> Riddell: have you see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/102345 ?
[01:13] <ubotu> Malone bug 102345 in kde-guidance "kde guidance does not display cpu frequency" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[01:14] <nixternal> heh, I just noticed that, my CPU is 0mhz
[01:16] <Riddell> giangy: lure or sebas might respond faster to that than me
[01:16] <giangy> okey, I'll ping lure or sebas tomorrow
[01:29] <yuriy> what's stl?
[01:29] <nixternal> standard template library
[01:31] <yuriy> i wonder how adept 3 is going and whether it'll be less complicated dev-wise
[01:47] <yuriy> wth i just randomly got logged out. and lost my session :-\
[01:49] <manchicken> Riddell: It took a while, and it's a little hacky, but I got it done.
[01:51] <Riddell> manchicken: ooh!
[01:51] <yuriy> does qt4 listview allow for these things without being hacky?
[01:51] <Riddell> yuriy: qt 4 treewidget seems pretty flexible
[01:51] <manchicken> And now I'm going to try to do it without creating separate objects for each item :)
[01:52] <Tm_T> Riddell: kde4admin  - graphics applications for KDE 4 testing
[01:52] <Tm_T> that seems bit funny
[01:52] <manchicken> Riddell: Disregard that previous patch altogether.
[01:53] <manchicken> Riddell: This one is quite different from it.
[01:53] <manchicken> I hate not having a bzr branch to go off of though.
[01:53] <manchicken> I have to clean up the patches manually due to conflicts.
[01:54] <yuriy> i don't see a kde4admin..
[01:56] <Jucato> neither do I...
[02:00] <Riddell> it'll still be in NEW
[02:00] <Riddell> alleeEdgy32_<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has been removed from kubuntu-devel"
[02:04] <manchicken> mornfall will probably yell at me for this patch.
[02:09] <manchicken> Riddell: Enjoy your patch.  I'm off to drink beer and eat spicy chicken fried in only God knows what.
[02:15] <Riddell> manchicken|away: enjoy the beer
[02:15] <jjesse> mmmm beer
[06:37] <manchicken> So did we roll back the tabbed interface for kde-systemsettings?
[11:24] <Riddell> allee<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has been removed from kubuntu-devel"
[11:51] <allee> Riddell: oh, why?
[11:55] <Riddell> allee: no idea, that's all I got
[11:55] <Riddell> a number were unsubscribed at the same time
[11:55] <allee> Riddell: no, info about it in my mailbox.  I'll resubscribe again.  Thx for the hint
[12:22] <larsivi> finally! KNetworkManager is usable!
[12:24] <Riddell> yay!
[12:25] <larsivi> (it was the WPA support that did it, btw)
[12:26] <mhb> larsivi: has there been an update recently?
[12:27] <larsivi> mhb: with feisty I suppose?
[12:28] <mhb> larsivi: you said that it is usable ... network-manager with wpa support fails to connect for some chipsets
[12:28] <mhb> larsivi: so I wondered if there has been an update in Feisty recently that fixes bugs or something
[12:28] <larsivi> wpa_supplicant has been working fairly well for me, but something with feisty has made it unstable (networkdeamon,avahid or similar) so I decided to test knetworkmanager again
[12:28] <larsivi> wpa_supplicant has been working for me for 2 years (having the ipw2200 chipset)
[12:29] <larsivi> socalled WPA personal setup (which confused me a bit, since it is not what is commonly used elsewhere)
[12:30] <larsivi> also, on Windows I don't think passkey protected networks are differentiated between at all (WEP or WPA)
[12:36] <Tonio_> hi
[12:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: want me to upload adedpt with the patch ?
[12:37] <larsivi> did the kdm login graphics change for feisty? I think I didn't get them because the install thought I had made local changes
[12:52] <Riddell> Tonio_: no, I'm onto it
[12:52] <Riddell> larsivi: they didn't, check Theme=/usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu in /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[12:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay ;)
[12:54] <larsivi> Riddell: thx, what I have
[01:36] <Hobbsee> anyone seen https://launchpad.net/bugs/103607 ?
[01:36] <ubotu> Malone bug 103607 in adept "Adept-updater announces new version of Kubuntu but does not allow it to be installed (dup-of: 102782)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[01:36] <ubotu> Malone bug 102782 in adept "Cannot upgrade Kubuntu - 'next' button is disabled" [Low,Fix committed]
[01:36] <Hobbsee> ah, fix committed
[01:36] <Jucato> s/talking/asking
[01:36] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:37] <Jucato> imho, it's a "false" notfication though...
[01:40] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i've been looking at MOTU-type documentation stuff, btw.  i'd be interested to see what you thought of it, at some point
[01:40] <Jucato> Hobbsee: resuming MOTU studies on Monday or Tuesday :)
[01:40] <Jucato> loooong holiday :)
[01:40] <Hobbsee> :D
[01:40] <Jucato> not that I don't want to "work"... just that I can't...
[01:40] <Hobbsee> bah.  this wont be done anytime soon
[01:41] <Jucato> just 2 general preliminary comments though: info/link overload (for the wiki) and probably too high an entry level (for the packaging guide). emphasis on the "probably" there
[01:43] <Jucato> I think I came across a MOTU page about cleaning up and organizing the MOTU docs though. MOTU/Documentation/TODO iirc
[01:43] <Hobbsee> yeah.  it's all pretty bad
[01:43] <Jucato> heh :)
[01:57] <Hobbsee> </end panic>
[02:00] <Jucato> heh :)
[02:00] <rouzic> Hi
[02:01] <\sh> Czessi: when you are online, please login into your jabber account ;)
[02:04] <rouzic> Hobbsee: Hi
[02:05] <Hobbsee> hi rouzic :)
[02:06] <rouzic> Hobbsee: 2 days ago actualiz the packages avahi - *, and from this moment the take-off me is late almost 2 minutes when the message appears " start the configuration network "
[02:07] <Hobbsee> rouzic: sorry?
[02:08] <rouzic> Kubuntu's take-off is late 2 minutes since I updated the paquetea avahi-
[02:17] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'll patch dolphin to support urls
[02:17] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: nice
[02:17] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: there is an issue in the desktop file so that you get an error message when opening trash:/ or remote:/ with dolphin
[02:17] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[02:17] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: the famous s/%f/ ;)
[02:17] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[02:18] <Tonio_> simple exec command in the desktop file that doesn't consider urls
[02:18] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'l propose the patch upstream but I'm pretty sure that's already fixed, du to kde4 inclusion by default
[02:18] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:18] <Jucato> Tonio_: URLs? as in http:/ O.o
[02:19] <Tonio_> Jucato: no, ioslaves
[02:19] <Jucato> aaaaah :)
[02:19] <Jucato> for a moment there, I thought... :D
[02:19] <Tonio_> Jucato: for example if you set dolphin as the default file manager, it'll complain when you try to open the trash
[02:19] <Tonio_> because the ioslave url isn't parsed
[02:19] <Tonio_> Jucato: ioslave == protocol somehow :)
[02:19] <Hobbsee> fun
[02:20] <Jucato> :D
[02:20] <Jucato> that reminds me...
[02:20] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: bah that's pretty easy to patch btw, just that nobody seems to use dolphin by default here :)
[02:20] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:20] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I want to force myself for it now, as it'll be the kde4 default :)
[02:21] <Tonio_> this is something we should have consider for feisty or feisty+1 in order to make the kde3 -> kde4 less disruptive for the user
[02:21] <Tonio_> at least that's my opinion ;)
[02:21] <Tonio_> Jucato: if you do so, do the following :
[02:22] <Jucato> another thing we'll have to consider will be the Kate vs KWrite thing
[02:22] <Tonio_> edit kmenu and change exec for dolphin to : dolphin
[02:22] <Tonio_> Jucato: then go in kcontrol, components, file associations
[02:22] <Tonio_> choose inode and then directory
[02:22] <Tonio_> and add dolphin by default instead of konq
[02:22] <Tonio_> Jucato: if you don't do that the integration will be really bad
[02:22] <Hobbsee> Jucato: why would we go with kwrite?
[02:22] <Tonio_> bt with those settings, it is pretty nice
[02:23] <Jucato> Hobbsee: because Kate has been removed from kdebase
[02:23] <Hobbsee> ahh
[02:23] <Jucato> kwrite will be the default and only text editor for KDE 4
[02:23] <Tonio_> maybe I should patch the desktop file to handle directory by default
[02:23] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: wouldnt you need both dolphin and konqi?
[02:23] <Jucato> (actually kwrite is the default text editor on kde 3 afaik)
[02:23] <Hobbsee> Jucato: but kate seems to have mroe stuff, and work better
[02:23] <Tonio_> so that the user would only have to choose which is the default in fact, instead of adding dolphin...... let's do that
[02:23] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I agree with you. but apparently, upstream guys in charge don't :(
[02:24] <Jucato> Tonio_: that was what I was going to ask btw. when I compiled dolphin 0.8.2 from source, there wasn't a Dolphin entry added to File Associations
[02:24] <Tonio_> Jucato: I'm patching this right now
[02:25] <Jucato> Tonio_: ah ok. so it was a known bug
[02:25] <Tonio_> lot of users might test it in the future so we have to get it correctly integrated
[02:25] <Jucato> (btw, there's no entry for kmplayer also)
[02:25] <Tonio_> Jucato: not a bug, but annoying missing feature, yes
[02:25] <Tonio_> :)
[02:26] <Jucato> Tonio_: so I change dolphin %i %m -caption "%c" to plain "dolphin" in the K Menu entry?
[02:28] <Tonio_> Jucato: dolphin
[02:28] <Tonio_> Jucato: dolphin ""
[02:28] <Tonio_> argh....
[02:28] <Jucato> ah
[02:28] <Tonio_> dolphin 'percent U'
[02:28] <Tonio_> %
[02:28] <Tonio_> % U
[02:28] <Jucato> hehe %U
[02:28] <Tonio_> without a space....
[02:28] <Tonio_> what's that bug ?
[02:28] <Jucato> having troubles with Konvi? :P
[02:28] <Jucato> no it's not a bug. %Uword%U = word
[02:29] <Tonio_> Jucato: hehe, look like yes
[02:29] <Jucato> Tonio_: you have to put % twice to "escape" the %
[02:31] <Tonio_> %U
[02:31] <Tonio_> right
[02:32] <Tonio_> so dolphin %U
[02:32] <Tonio_> or wait for my update to go in the repos :)
[02:32] <Jucato> ok :)
[02:32] <Jucato> hm... does your update also update Dolphin to 0.8.2? :D
[02:33] <Jucato> I have a few "topics" in mind too btw
[02:33] <Jucato> er sorry wrong window lol
[02:33] <Jucato> (wrong tab sheesh!)
[02:37] <Tonio_> Jucato: no
[02:37] <Tonio_> Jucato: requires uvf exception, I'll look at that later
[02:37] <Tonio_> maybe this we
[02:37] <Tonio_> Jucato: depends if the new version changes many things
[02:38] <Jucato> hm... it's the last release for KDE 3.5.x, so I thought it would be in Feisty. just realized now that it wasn't :)
[02:39] <Tonio_> Jucato: hum, it dissapeared from kde-apps
[02:39] <Tonio_> Jucato: have a url ?
[02:39] <Jucato> http://enzosworld.gmxhome.de/download.html
[02:39] <Jucato> I guess nothing changed much anyway
[02:39] <Tonio_> Changes:
[02:39] <Tonio_> Updated German translation (thanks to Jannick Kuhr)
[02:39] <Tonio_> Updated Polish translation (thanks to Piotr Malinski)
[02:39] <Jucato> just translations
[02:39] <Tonio_> yup, no need to go with uvf for this
[02:40] <Tonio_> Jucato: better patching the current for good integration
[02:40] <Tonio_> :)
[02:40] <Jucato> :)
[02:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: can that be a topic for the UDS ?
[02:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: provide dolphin as the default file manager for smooth transition to kde4 for the user ?
[02:41] <Riddell> Tonio_: what?
[02:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: hmm
[02:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'd like to consider and discuss this
[02:42] <Riddell> could do
[02:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: as long as there is a very easy way to switch back to konqueror as the default for those who would like too :)
[02:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: thanks :) I'll prepare a little speech for the uds then
[02:43] <Jucato> how about a patch to default applications kcm? adding a File Manager entry? wouldn't that be a better way than going through File Associations?
[02:44] <rouzic> Tonio_, Riddell, Jucato: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/103413
[02:44] <ubotu> Malone bug 103413 in linux-source-2.6.20 "(Feisty) During boot, configuring network interface is very slow" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[02:44] <Tonio_> yep, confirmed here
[02:44] <Tonio_> booting takes about 5 minutes for I'd say 3 or 4 days
[02:46] <rouzic> Tonio_: when there can be a solution for this bug?
[02:46] <Tonio_> rouzic: better ask #ubuntu-devel on that point
[02:46] <rouzic> Thanks Tonio_
[02:46] <Tonio_> or #ubuntu-kernel
[02:48] <Erunno> Happy Eastern all :) Does anyone here know if the kxdocker packages have been fixed in Feisty ?
[02:49] <Hobbsee> Erunno: what's broken with them?
[02:51] <Erunno> Hobbsee: There seems to be a configuration file missing and without it kxdocker refuses to start. I'll install the package and tell you which one.
[02:53] <Erunno> Hobbsee: It's kxdocker_conf.xml
[02:57] <Hobbsee> why oh why must flash instantly die when i try to show it to someone?
[02:58] <larsivi> can the Java plugin that Firefox use be easily integrated in Konqueror?
[02:59] <Hobbsee> larsivi: not at this point
[02:59] <Jucato> sun-java6-plugin?
[03:00] <larsivi> Jucato: hmm, maybe I've not tried well enough
[03:00] <Hobbsee> (feature freeze)
[03:00] <Jucato> it's in the repos
[03:00] <Hobbsee> Erunno: does it work if you ".kde/share/apps/kxdocker/kxdocker_conf.xml" ?
[03:04] <Erunno> Hobbsee: Not sure what you mean, but the directory is empty.
[03:04] <Hobbsee> argh
[03:04] <Hobbsee> Erunno: does it work if you "touch .kde/share/apps/kxdocker/kxdocker_conf.xml" ?
[03:05] <Erunno> Hobbsee: No, still the same error message.
[03:05] <Hobbsee> thought it might.
[03:06] <Hobbsee> oh, ick.  i remember this
[03:07] <Erunno> Hobbsee: It works (kind of= when you get the xml file from the source package, but there seems to be some problems with the redrawing of the background image.
[03:07] <Hobbsee> the one of length 0?
[03:11] <Erunno> Hobbsee: Err, no ;-) Might be that I got a semi-working xml file from the debian package. It's been a while since I last tried to get the thing working.
[03:11] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[03:11] <Hobbsee> well, if you do, please come in here and tell us :)
[03:13] <Erunno> Hobbsee: O.o
[03:15] <Hobbsee> Erunno: ?
[03:17] <Hobbsee> hrm.  i guess we'd have to make a default kubuntu config file or something for it
[03:23] <Hobbsee> Erunno: argh.  this config file is messy, and is going to be distro-specific
[03:24] <Erunno> Hobbsee: Yeah, I'm looking at it right now. Kxdocker got discontinued by the way.
[03:25] <Hobbsee> i thought it did, yeah.
[03:25] <Hobbsee> may well be why debian hasnt updated it
[03:25] <nixternal> morning
[03:25] <Hobbsee> hi nixternal
[03:25] <nixternal> do we have anything that needs 64bit testing at all, I can finally help out :)
[03:26] <nixternal> my new system worked oob with Kubuntu Beta
[03:26] <Hobbsee> nice!
[03:28] <nixternal> I need to get pbuilder rolling on it as well
[03:29] <Tonio_> honnestly, Dolphin rocks once correctly configured....
[03:31] <nixternal> I will agree to that, it is nice, but I just can't seem to get away from "alt + space -> konqu -> enter"
[03:33] <manchicken> Oh happy day.
[03:33] <nixternal> oh happy days
[03:33] <manchicken> Oh happy daaay.
[03:33] <nixternal> hahahahaha
[03:33] <nixternal> I knew it was coming
[03:33] <manchicken> That's what I'm singin' brother.
[03:33] <manchicken> Sing with me!
[03:33] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:34] <nixternal> my church does not do that song justice, the south side baptist churches rock that song out
[03:34] <manchicken> When Jesus walks, and rescues me from this jerk at DoubleClick and brings me to a new job that will suck just a big less.
[03:34] <nixternal> lol
[03:34] <Hobbsee> haha
[03:34] <nixternal> AMEN!
[03:34] <manchicken> Dude, Dacia and I went to a SERIOUS Holy Rollers church here in Champaign.
[03:34] <Hobbsee> work was too late last night for me to make it
[03:34] <manchicken> It was called the "Glory Center"
[03:35] <manchicken> Like, the drummer and the bass player kept playing all the way through the sermon.
[03:35] <nixternal> manchicken: omg, my x-girlfriend, her granny lives down there, and is a whicked christian, to the point she almost called me the devil. I went to a couple of those churches down there
[03:35] <manchicken> My ears were ringing the rest of the day.
[03:35] <manchicken> I've never been called evil.
[03:36] <nixternal> I have to make it on Saturday night Hobbsee, or my family will throw me away
[03:36] <manchicken> Though my mother-in-law was scared that I was an alcoholic because I keep beer in my house.
[03:36] <nixternal> haha
[03:36] <Riddell> fabo: how does /etc/rcS.d/S60displayconfig-hwprobe.py get created?
[03:38] <manchicken> Riddell: Did that fix do better this time?
[03:39] <Riddell> manchicken: yes thanks, works great, uploaded
[03:39] <manchicken> Sweet.
[03:56] <Tonio_> @zAqw>a>AQ><<<<
[03:56] <Tonio_> sorry...
[03:57] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:58] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: note that <> is the most dirty key :)
[03:58] <Tonio_> to much php ;)
[03:59] <Hobbsee> so it seems :P
[03:59] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: no lock screen key on a mac :)
[04:00] <manchicken> Mornin' Tonio.
[04:00] <manchicken> I can't stand running only windows on this machine.
[04:00] <manchicken> It makes my heard ache.
[04:00] <manchicken> This looks like a job for vmware.
[04:01] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ahh
[04:01] <Tonio_> manchicken: eventually, yes :)
[04:04] <Tonio_> hum there is something I'd like to get fixed for feisty....
[04:04] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: can you confirm this ?
[04:04] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: launch systemsettings, kdeprint
[04:04] <Tonio_> then select "server", "configure"
[04:04] <Tonio_> you'll get a nasty prompt about unknown options
[04:04] <Tonio_> we should patch to remove the message I guess...
[04:04] <nixternal> Tonio_: I can confirm it
[04:05] <Tonio_> the point is I don't understand why he doesn't recognize those options
[04:05] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yep
[04:05] <manchicken> Tonio_: You weird Europeans and your "time zones"
[04:05] <nixternal> haha yes
[04:05] <Tonio_> they are very old in cups
[04:05] <fabo> Riddell: kde-guidance.init (dh_installinit)
[04:05] <nixternal> require = user @OWNER @SYSTEM
[04:05] <nixternal> order = deny,allow
[04:05] <Tonio_> same for me
[04:05] <nixternal> and then some
[04:05] <Tonio_> that should be "unrecognized"
[04:05] <nixternal> ya, I noticed it the other day actually
[04:05] <Tonio_> they are in cups forever
[04:06] <Tonio_> so what to do ?
[04:06] <Tonio_> ;)
[04:06] <nixternal> found the cout and - it
[04:06] <nixternal> heh
[04:06] <Tonio_> patch to remove the prompt sounds a bit hackish, but well......
[04:06] <Tonio_> nixternal: I'll try to get that patched this WE if I have time for this
[04:07] <Tonio_> but there is a bug behind that... better to fix it
[04:07] <Tonio_> I don't want to spend 3 days searching on kde bts, as there are about 50000 kdeprint related bugs :)
[04:07] <Tonio_> I already tried to sync with svn, doesn't help
[04:07] <nixternal> ouch
[04:08] <Tonio_> nixternal: yeah kdeprint is a nightmare for this......
[04:08] <Tonio_> impossible to filter for a specific issue on that bloated kde bts
[04:08] <nixternal> I am looking at it now
[04:09] <nixternal> 28.8mb sounds bloated to me
[04:09] <Tonio_> nixternal: wish tou good luck :)
[04:09] <nixternal> 29.6mb
[04:09] <nixternal> hrmm
[04:09] <nixternal> CUPS isn't even that big
[04:10] <nixternal> derr
[04:11] <nixternal> kdeprint == kdebase which means nixternal == dumbie!
[04:11] <nixternal> dumbie?
[04:11] <nixternal> dummy
[04:12] <manchicken> Pssht.  Can't even spell "dummy" what a dummy.
[04:12] <nixternal> haha
[04:14] <Riddell> fabo: I'm quite confused by this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/87381
[04:14] <ubotu> Malone bug 87381 in kde-guidance "[apport]  displayconfig-hwprobe.py crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Medium,Confirmed]
[04:14] <Tonio_> nixternal: kdeprint is divided in kdelibs and kdebase
[04:14] <Riddell> fabo: I don't see how they can have displayconfig-hwprobe.py but not  ScanPCI.py, they're part of the same package in the same directory
[04:15] <nixternal> what package is system-settings apart of?
[04:17] <nixternal> foudn it
[04:28] <Riddell> nixternal: kde-systemsettings
[04:35] <Riddell> fabo: looks like it's from the old dapper install, that's the only place it can be
[04:38] <manchicken_> Riddell: Did we roll the tabs out of kde-systemsettings?
[04:39] <manchicken> (on purpose)
[04:40] <Jucato> roll out how?
[04:40] <manchicken> As in I don't see that tabbed interface I did in kde-systemsettings anymore.
[04:41] <Jucato> hm... unless you update from a different source, I still see them here...
[04:42] <Riddell> manchicken: nope
[04:42] <nixternal> manchicken: I still have the tabbed interface
[04:43] <manchicken> Hmm....
[04:43] <manchicken> AAH!!!
[04:43] <manchicken> I know why I wasn't seeing them.
[04:43] <manchicken> I was ssh -YC'ing to my edgy box.
[04:43] <manchicken> I suppose that would explain it :)
[04:44] <Jucato> :D
[04:44] <nixternal> haha
[04:47] <manchicken> I hear that nexenta is running with dpkg and apt-get...
[04:47] <manchicken> That could make life easier.
[04:49] <Riddell> fabo: is there any way to tell dh_installinit what init number to install at?  I seem to remember it has to be 60 and not 20 because it uses /var
[04:52] <Jucato> manchicken or Riddell: the column sorting in Adept is still not fixed with the latest updates. dunno if it's a bug or a feature or a side-effect
[04:52] <Riddell> Jucato: mm, I noticed that too
[04:52] <Riddell> with much the same conclusion :)
[04:52] <Jucato> hehe :)
[04:53] <manchicken> Does it sort incorrectly or not at all?  I can't remember
[04:53] <Jucato> not at all
[04:53] <manchicken> Let me look at it today.
[04:53] <manchicken> Riddell: Is there an up to date branch?
[04:54] <manchicken> Ewww, nexenta is running gnome
[04:54] <Jucato> :D
[05:00] <Riddell> manchicken: not at all
[05:01] <Riddell> manchicken: my repository is up to date
[05:06] <Riddell> fabo: another infrastructure one, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/72233, the prerm script from powermanager removes all the python-support links for kde-guidance too
[05:06] <ubotu> Malone bug 72233 in kde-guidance "Unable to remove powermanager w/o making displayconfig-restore unuseable" [Low,Confirmed]
[05:18] <manchicken> Hmm...
[05:18] <manchicken> Time to look into the nexenta chan.
[05:19] <asyd> interest by create a new version with kde ?
[05:19] <asyd> (I'm a member of OpenSolaris community)
[06:43] <giangy> 'evening
[08:33] <ryanakca> Is anybody working on http://www.kubuntu.org ?
[08:35] <Riddell> ryanakca: there's a testbed drupal setup that mhb has access to, I scheduled a session at UDS to discuss ideas for it
[08:36] <ryanakca> Riddell: yeah, I have the link to it...
[08:36] <ryanakca> kk
[08:36] <ryanakca> When/where's the next one?
[08:37] <ryanakca> ah, spain
[08:38] <Riddell> ryanakca: link to which?
[08:42] <mhb> nothing
[08:45] <ryanakca> mhb: I'm not that... 'dense'.
[08:47] <mhb> Riddell: kwwii has not yet decided how the page should look, so I havent made much progress on it
[08:47] <nixternal> I think it should look like.... are you ready?
[08:47] <nixternal> I have no clue either, but I got you lookin' didn't I :P
[08:47] <ryanakca> lol
[08:48] <nixternal> I am currently developing a university wiki for our school. and boy does this stink
[08:48] <mhb> nixternal: Ken surely has a clue, he is just way too busy to find the time for that
[08:48] <mhb> understandable
[08:48] <nixternal> web development is fun...sometimes
[08:48] <nixternal> Wikimedia is "a lot"
[08:49] <nixternal> custozing the monobook theme isn't fun either, drupal, plone, joomla, zope, they are easy
[08:49] <vprints> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdegraphics/+bug/102544
[08:49] <ubotu> Malone bug 102544 in kdegraphics "Firefox uses not fully functional Kghostview to open PDF's in KDE instead of the system default KPDF" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[08:49] <nixternal> modifying a wordpress theme is like using a coloring book
[08:49] <vprints> could you comment on that
[08:50] <nixternal> comment like "if you want embedded you use Konqui" :)
[08:51] <nixternal> ahh
[08:51] <vprints> if you nixternal make conqueror eat estonian ID cards and digital signatures, honestly i will
[08:51] <vprints> konqueror
[08:51] <nixternal> that is a good idea actually out of the box, I change ff first thing though to point to kpdf
[08:52] <vprints> * mabe vprints's english is so bad he understood nixternal wrong :)
[08:53] <ryanakca> where would that be fixed? k-d-s?
[08:54] <vprints> question to me ?
[08:54] <ryanakca> anybody
[08:56] <vprints> i actually don't know where the mailcap entries are :D
[08:58] <vprints> could somebody support that?
[09:01] <Riddell> it's kghostview.mime and kpdf.mime in kdepim source
[09:01] <Riddell> they're broth priority 5 but I guess kghost view is alphabetically first so it is the choice
[09:02] <ryanakca> ah
[09:03] <Riddell> vprints: edit the priority in /usr/lib/mime/packages/kpdf to 6, run sudo update-mime and see if that helps
[09:09] <ryanakca> hey allee
[09:09] <allee> hi ryanakca
[09:13] <vprints> Riddell, yes it helps
[09:22] <manchicken> Ooh, I didn't know that gnewsense-kde used adept, too.
[09:22] <Riddell> it has to use something
[09:23] <Riddell> question is how to do stuff like the supported column and dist upgrader for deriviatives like that
[09:23] <manchicken> Yeah.
[09:23] <manchicken> We should probably try to compile adept without KUBUNTU defined and see if it actually compiles.  heh
[09:23] <manchicken> I haven't even tried that.
[09:24] <Riddell> I suspect it doesn't
[09:24] <manchicken> I'll try
[09:28] <manchicken> heh, the about ubuntu package exists for gnewsense
[09:28] <manchicken> I wonder which distro it sprung from....
[09:30] <mhb> manchicken: and Ubuntu uses debian-installer, for example. That's the way it goes...
[09:31] <Riddell> mhb: fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/103394 in rosetta, although I'm still not sure what the actual cause is.  let me know if it works on sunday
[09:31] <ubotu> Malone bug 103394 in kdelibs "broken translations in Kubuntu Feisty (daily langpack)" [Critical,Fix committed]
[09:32] <mhb> Riddell: I've heard, will try
[09:37] <Riddell> thanks
[09:38] <manchicken> mhb: Yeah.  Good fun though. :)
[09:40] <giangy> Riddell: can't your hint above "resolve" this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdegraphics/+bug/102544
[09:40] <ubotu> Malone bug 102544 in kdegraphics "Firefox uses not fully functional Kghostview to open PDF's in KDE instead of the system default KPDF" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]
[09:40] <giangy> I'll try :-)
[09:41] <Riddell> giangy: it does
[09:41] <Riddell> that's what we were talking about
[09:42] <giangy> okey, I'll paste it to this bug and close it
[09:42] <giangy> is it okay?
[09:42] <giangy> ah damn
[09:42] <giangy> it's the same author.
[09:43] <giangy> :))
[09:43] <giangy> vprints, Riddell: sorry heh.
[09:47] <mhb> hmm, one big stupid mhb-like question: is having "automatic updates" as in "user doesn't have to do anything except maybe issuing a password" against the K/ubuntu way?
[09:52] <vprints> Ridell, who is the maintainer of the mime system?
[10:04] <Riddell> mhb: where do you see that?
[10:04] <Riddell> mhb: but no it wouldn't be
[10:04] <Riddell> vprints: nobody, it's per package
[10:05] <vprints> k
[10:05] <mhb> Riddell: neither in ubuntu nor in kubuntu is a system which would allow for 100% automatic updates, so I thought it is not desired maybe
[10:06] <vprints> Riddell, can you support it ?
[10:47] <mhb> when I open systemsettings the Monitor & Display icon is blurred ... does somebody experience that too?
[10:51] <vprints> Yes, i was thinking about reporting that
[10:52] <vprints> but i thought then i'll get too annoying :)
[10:52] <nrg88> hi guys, i made a patch which fixes bug #57102 on launchpad, and attached the diff file to the bugreport ( for kubuntu-default-settings ), can anyone apply it and check it out?
[10:52] <ubotu> Malone bug 57102 in kubuntu-default-settings "Kubuntu Package Manager problem: package doesn't get installed when it is in a directory with spaces on its name" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/57102
[10:52] <vprints> it seems as it is just lower resolution than the others
[10:56] <fdoving> nrg88: diff looks good :)
[10:58] <fdoving> nrg88: tonio_ is the k-d-s man. poke him or mail him.
[10:58] <nrg88> yep, though i was working quite a bit on it, because i don't really know Shell scripts, only Pascal, PHP and HTML code ;)
[10:59] <fdoving> it's all about the "" around variables when it comes to spaces and weird chars.
[11:00] <nrg88> exactly :)
[11:00] <fdoving> great work.
[11:00] <nrg88> thanks... but how do i find out Tonio_'s email address? :D
[11:01] <giangy> nrg88: https://launchpad.net/~tonio
[11:01] <giangy><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:01] <nrg88> thanks :)
[11:12] <nrg88> next time if i have a patch, should i contact the package maintainer or the package uploader?
[11:15] <mhb> um
[11:15] <mhb> why does system settings have a menu bar?
[11:16] <mhb> it's really kind of useless and the usability review mockups don't have it, either
[11:21] <Riddell> mhb: you can set updates to install automatically in software-properties-kde
[11:23] <mhb> Riddell: nice
[11:24] <mhb> Riddell: thanks .o)
[11:26] <nrg88> shouldn't there be a Report a problem menu entry in the KDE Menu?
[11:26] <nrg88> in System?
[11:26] <nrg88> with an exclamation mark on yellow background?
[11:28] <fdoving> i don't have that.
[11:28] <fdoving> probably rebortbug or something.
[11:28] <nrg88> i've installed two copies of feisty in vmware
[11:29] <nrg88> and i upgraded one
[11:29] <nrg88> and it dissapeared from the menu
[11:29] <nrg88> did the kubuntu developers want this Report a problem or Report a bug menu entry be present in only the beta version?
[11:29] <nrg88> or is this a bug?
[11:30] <fdoving> find it in the menu, right-click and 'edit' or what it's named.. then find out what the binary is named.
[11:31] <fdoving> then use dpkg -S /usr/bin/yourresult
[11:31] <fdoving> that will tell you what package it belongs to.
[11:34] <nrg88> looks like i found it in the changelog
[11:34] <nrg88>   * debian/apport-{gtk,qt}.install: Do not install .desktop files for now, until we get a proper guided bug reporting.
[11:36] <manchicken> I found a nasty bug.
[11:37] <manchicken> In kontact, when you click links on the summary page sometimes it segfaults.
[11:41] <nrg88> links?
[11:41] <manchicken> Yeah.
[11:41] <nrg88> you mean links created when you have mail or to-dos?
[11:42] <manchicken> Yup
[11:42] <nrg88> i'll check it out...
[11:42] <nrg88> did click on a specific category of links (for example mail), or it segfaults no matter what link you click on?
[11:43] <manchicken> email
[11:44] <manchicken> I think it's done it for akregator stuff, too.
[11:48] <nrg88> i think i'll do some tests
[11:48] <nrg88> if it can be reproduced, a bug report should be filled in LP
[11:50] <fdoving> file it with upstream instead.. or first anyway.
[11:51] <fdoving> most bugs that are not packaging related should be filed upstream.
[11:51] <fdoving> an LP-bug with links to the upstream BTS doesn't hurt though.


[01:16] <shalabhgoel1312> so we cannot see the old chat here?
[03:06] <mup> Bug #1914527 opened: Commissioning/testing form sometimes doesn't auto select any scripts <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1914527>
[03:09] <mup> Bug #1914527 changed: Commissioning/testing form sometimes doesn't auto select any scripts <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1914527>
[03:12] <mup> Bug #1914527 opened: Commissioning/testing form sometimes doesn't auto select any scripts <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1914527>
[03:18] <mup> Bug #1914527 changed: Commissioning/testing form sometimes doesn't auto select any scripts <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1914527>
[03:21] <mup> Bug #1914527 opened: Commissioning/testing form sometimes doesn't auto select any scripts <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1914527>
[08:39] <mup> Bug #1897946 changed: hi1620-based ARM Servers are shown as "Unknown model" <kunpeng920:Fix Committed by taihsiangho> <lxd:New> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1897946>
[08:45] <mup> Bug #1897946 opened: hi1620-based ARM Servers are shown as "Unknown model" <kunpeng920:Fix Committed by taihsiangho> <lxd:New> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1897946>
[08:54] <mup> Bug #1897946 changed: hi1620-based ARM Servers are shown as "Unknown model" <kunpeng920:Fix Committed by taihsiangho> <lxd:New> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1897946>
[11:42] <mup> Bug #1914588 opened: Enabling debug from snap traceback <MAAS:Fix Committed by adam-collard> <MAAS 2.9:In Progress by adam-collard> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1914588>
[12:12] <mup> Bug #1914590 opened: Support composing LXD VMs with multiple disks in the UI <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1914590>
[12:15] <mup> Bug #1914590 changed: Support composing LXD VMs with multiple disks in the UI <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1914590>
[12:18] <mup> Bug #1914590 opened: Support composing LXD VMs with multiple disks in the UI <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1914590>


[00:00] <GridCube> holly canoli
[00:00] <Haohmaru> grab that with a phone camera ;]
[00:00] <GridCube> send that to a gallery o:
[00:00] <GridCube> i mean in imgur
[00:01] <zequence> Haohmaru: More detail than the eye can see
[00:01] <Haohmaru> http://i.imgur.com/1XUkN.jpg
[00:02] <GridCube> nice, this is as good as mine gets, http://i.imgur.com/wZWFe3d.jpg
[00:03] <GridCube> no wait, thats from the canon camera XD
[00:03] <Haohmaru> nice cat ;P~
[00:03] <Haohmaru> well, i don't think you can do even this with a phone camera: http://i.imgur.com/37URe.jpg
[00:04] <Haohmaru> so it's not worth paying for those 40MP on a phone camera, no matter what ;]
[00:05] <GridCube> here, this is a picture i took with my cellphone http://imagebin.org/247876
[00:05] <GridCube> P: all that granularity
[00:06] <Haohmaru> thing is, the sensor is small
[00:06] <Haohmaru> you can't get bokeh
[00:07] <Haohmaru> not to mention you can't play with lenses ;]
[01:24] <clivie-user438> hey i need help how can i login   to the desktop
[01:24] <clivie-user438> any one ?
[01:26] <clivie-user438> msg
[01:31] <clivie-user438> hello
[11:33] <SuperRoach> Good evening :) Good evening. I've just noticed my 12.10 ubuntustudio, apps  has lost their menu with the min/close icons. http://i.imgur.com/SCFC43t.png What can I use to restore it?    I'm using an Intel HD 4000, reboot doesn't solve it. Multiwindow seems disabled too.
[11:53] <zequence> SuperRoach: Metacity has crashed
[11:53] <zequence> Or, no
[11:53] <zequence> It's something else
[11:53] <zequence> It's the program that draws the window borders
[11:54] <zequence> SuperRoach: Do you have Desktop FX enabled? Try disbling them.
[11:54] <zequence> SuperRoach: And, is it like this every time you restart?
[11:55] <SuperRoach> zequence, yeah its every time I restart
[11:55] <SuperRoach> I'll have a look at disabling desktop fx
[11:56] <zequence> Metacity is what draws window borders to Gnome. FXCE has something else
[11:57] <zequence> And there's also Compiz somehow baked into all of that
[11:57] <zequence> If used..
[11:58] <zequence> Compiz is often used for fancy FX
[11:59] <SuperRoach> apparantly I don't have compiz installed, nor metacity
[12:02] <SuperRoach> zequence, to make things tricky, if I look at settings ("customize your desktop"), clicking on "window manager" hangs instead of giving me a dialog
[12:03] <zequence> SuperRoach: Have you installed any graphic drivers lately?
[12:04] <SuperRoach> zequence, not that I'm aware of no.
[12:04] <SuperRoach> A stock 12.10 install was working ok. I think it may have been after a firefox update possibly.
[12:04] <SuperRoach> A bit annoying not being able to bring up the window manager to look further.
[12:05] <zequence> SuperRoach: Could be some user files that have gone bad
[12:06] <zequence> SuperRoach: No change in theming?
[12:07] <SuperRoach> zequence, fixed after more googling! :)
[12:07] <zequence> SuperRoach: Yeah?
[12:07] <SuperRoach> The problem was my "xfce session seems to have been corrupted" . I had to rm -r ~/.cache/sessions
[12:08] <SuperRoach> Ref: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1955078
[12:08] <zequence> SuperRoach: Cool. I'll try to remember that next time someone has weird problems :)
[12:09] <SuperRoach> Was a bit of luck finding that one. I was looking at compiz and window manager as well.
[12:10] <zequence> SuperRoach: It might be a good idea to clean the home totally sometimes. At least cache and settings that one will not miss
[12:10] <zequence> Those will be autoreplaced with default settings
[12:10] <zequence> Well, at least if one is having problems
[12:11] <SuperRoach> Agreed. Might add it to bash lest I'll probably forget.
[13:00] <Patero-ng> what does wise up douche
[13:36] <Haohmaru> where should i be looking for to see what serial ports are available?
[13:51] <zequence> Haohmaru: usb, SATA and Firewire are all serial, but are you talking about the old classic style?
[13:51] <zequence> same size as VGA, but less pins
[13:52] <zequence> I think the last paralell port to vanish was IDE
[13:55] <Haohmaru> zequence, yeah, RS232
[13:56] <Haohmaru> actually there's a device which connects to USB but acts as a serial port
[13:56] <Haohmaru> it uses the FTDI usb<->serial driver (which seems to be already part of ubuntu)
[13:56] <Haohmaru> so on windows - this driver creates a virtual serial port
[13:58] <zequence> Haohmaru: So, you want to see if the port is usable, or not?
[13:59] <zequence> Haohmaru: lsusb
[13:59] <zequence> Try that for usb devices
[14:00] <zequence> lspci for MB attached chips
[14:00] <zequence> Haohmaru: To see what they can do, do: lsusb --help, or to read the manual: man lsusb
[14:00] <zequence> Hit "q" go quit the manual


[06:17] <Tm_T> morning
[06:32] <bazhang> !canibeanop
[06:32] <bazhang> hydrox24, ^
[06:32] <hydrox24> Hi, I would like to apply for ops on ubuntu? what's the best way to do this?
[06:32] <hydrox24> bazhang: ah, thanks.
[06:32] <bazhang> np
[06:33] <Jordan_U> hydrox24: Also, in the future please don't discuss trolls when they've been dealt with. Feeding the trolls just makes them more likely to want to come back.
[06:34] <hydrox24> Jordan_U: fair enough, sorry about that one then.
[06:34] <Jordan_U> hydrox24: Np :)
[14:19] <ikonia> ubottu: is not in #ubuntu ?
[14:19] <ikonia> ah, it is there
[14:19] <Pici> ikonia: only if you spell things properly.
[14:20] <ikonia> even then it should say "I don't know anything about that"
[14:20] <Pici> Not in #ubuntu it won't.
[14:20] <ikonia> which it did....it sent me a pm
[14:20] <ikonia> oops
 Would switching to Linux from Ubuntu make a difference?
[15:22] <Pici> lagging here :/
[17:26] <bazhang> was he ban evading?
[17:27] <ikonia> yes, and he's just a long term troll
[17:27] <bazhang> the troll part no doubt
[17:27] <ikonia> I'd have had more belief that this was an "honest" or genuine question if he wasn't busy trolling other channels at the same time
[17:27] <ikonia> I've got him as quite a few +b and +q
[17:27] <ikonia> I'm going to tidy them up now
[17:28] <orionsonofneptun> i want to know exactly what i did that is trolling
[17:28] <orionsonofneptun> ive said nothing of the sort ill assure you
[17:28] <ikonia> one moment
[17:29] <orionsonofneptun> ikonia is confused obviously
[17:29] <ikonia> I'm not
[17:29] <orionsonofneptun> i know i havent trolled son
[17:29] <orionsonofneptun> its been all technical
[17:30] <orionsonofneptun> why do ikeep gettig banned for others actions?????? where to find irc cop im sick of this crap ive got enough trouble getting anseres as it is
[17:30] <ikonia> orionsonofneptun: please hold on
[17:31] <bazhang> orionsonofneptun, thats more than enough
[17:31] <orionsonofneptun> this is uppsetting sorry
[17:32] <bazhang> orionsonofneptun, then be patient.
[17:32] <orionsonofneptun> ok then
[17:32] <bazhang> ranting and such as you have done will *not* get this resolved
[17:32] <orionsonofneptun> just now???
[17:33] <orionsonofneptun> just now is the only ranting ive done since the last incident where i thougt we got this straitened out
[17:34] <orionsonofneptun> lets be clear on what were talking about please
[17:34] <bazhang> which time
[17:34] <orionsonofneptun> in ops channel right now
[17:34] <ikonia> orionsonofneptun: ok, I'm free node
[17:34] <ikonia> now
[17:34] <ikonia> orionsonofneptun: I've previously muted you two times in #ubuntu, and I believe I've actually banned you once, correct yes / no ?
[17:35] <orionsonofneptun> no i dont think i recall you ever doing anything to me
[17:35] <ikonia> orionsonofneptun: really
[17:35] <orionsonofneptun> thier was a incident a couple of days ago
[17:35] <ikonia> where I muted you
[17:36] <ikonia> (stopped you from being able to talk in #ubuntu)
[17:36] <orionsonofneptun> but we came to ops and resolved
[17:36] <ikonia> I don't believe it was
[17:36] <orionsonofneptun> my nick must be cloned
[17:36] <ikonia> that's why you where muted a second time
[17:36] <ikonia> no, it's not cloned
[17:36] <orionsonofneptun> what did i say then???
[17:36] <ikonia> I'm showing you as "signed" in
[17:36] <ikonia> which means it's you
[17:36] <ikonia> I'm not getting the logs up - as the bottom line is I don't trust anything you are saying in #ubuntu is genuine
[17:37] <ikonia> you seem to just cause a problem, then try to get around the ban
[17:37] <ikonia> I'm watching you troll other channels at the same time and that leads me to believe you are again trying to cause a problem in #ubuntu
[17:37] <orionsonofneptun> how do i cause a problem please??? by needing a technical question ansered
[17:37] <ikonia> sorry if that's not a "nice" way to judge it, but based on your previous comments in the channel, and how you are behaving I don't believe what you are saying
[17:38] <ikonia> your history has now got you a reputation that you are not doing anything to correct,
[17:38] <ikonia> I'd rather you didn't use #ubuntu for a while until you've thought about how you behave and present yourself to channels
[17:38] <orionsonofneptun> thats not fair to judge what you dont understand
[17:38] <ikonia> possibly not, but that is how it is
[17:39] <orionsonofneptun> i havent trolled!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[17:39] <orionsonofneptun> tell me exact words please
[17:39] <ikonia> I'm sorry but I don't believe you, and I don't believe your intention
[17:39] <ikonia> the fact is, there are two mutes active for you in #ubuntu that you are trying to evade,
[17:39] <ikonia> they are not resolved, so I've removed you until they can be resolved
[17:40] <orionsonofneptun> i will sue the ones keeping from real world knowledge i assure you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[17:40] <ikonia> at this time I do not believe you are trying to use #ubuntu properly
[17:40] <ikonia> orionsonofneptun: you're welcome to sue me
[17:40] <orionsonofneptun> you are not ikonia
[17:40] <ikonia> orionsonofneptun: however at this time there are two mutes for you active in #ubuntu, and until they are resolved by me/others having confidence in your behaviour you won't gain access to #ubuntu
[17:40] <ikonia> orionsonofneptun: is that a little more clear to you ?
[17:41] <orionsonofneptun> i am so mad right now i cant think you wont even show me the proof!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[17:41] <ikonia> the logs of your behaviour and you being muted/banned in the paste are publicly available
[17:42] <ikonia> !logs | orionsonofneptun
[17:42] <ikonia> I suggest you have a read of them if you want to asses your behaviour
[17:42] <orionsonofneptun> i was learning u buntu for once and you cut me off for that reason i assure you
[17:42] <ikonia> "for once" and there we have it
[17:42] <ikonia> orionsonofneptun: sorry, but that's the position, you've wasted the channels time too often that I don't believe what you are saying
[17:43] <ikonia> so until we have confidence in your behaviour you can keep out of #ubuntu.
[17:43] <orionsonofneptun> beacause i have brain issues your are confused agian
[17:43] <ikonia> I'm not confused
[17:43] <orionsonofneptun> yes you are son!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[17:43] <ikonia> so I'll now ask you to leave the channel, and come back in 7 days time
[17:43] <ikonia> orionsonofneptun: if you can present yourself positivly and explain that you've like to use #ubuntu for support use, I'll be happy to remove the ban
[17:44] <orionsonofneptun> ive tryed a thousand times
[17:44] <ikonia> (or one of the other operators can - it doesn't have to be me)
[17:44] <orionsonofneptun> thier is no reason for this
[17:44] <bazhang> orionsonofneptun, please. thats enough for today
[17:44] <ikonia> orionsonofneptun: one moment you say has never been a problem, now you say you've tried a thousand times
[17:44] <ikonia> this is what I mean about I cannot believe anything you say or your purpose
[17:45] <ikonia> I'd suggest having a think about it and come back in 7 days
[17:45] <ikonia> if you are genuine about wanting to use the channel, I'm sure we can allow you back in
[17:45] <orionsonofneptun> i need to learn dangit you are screwing me out of vital knowledge dangit this unjustice will not go unseen i will get justice for this
[17:45] <ikonia> orionsonofneptun: that's fine, we'll speak to you in 7 days and hopefully we can let you back into #ubuntu
[17:46] <orionsonofneptun> im getting cheated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
[17:46] <ikonia> orionsonofneptun: clam down, this is part of the reason you've had problems in the past how you talk to people
[17:46] <ikonia> calm even
[17:46] <orionsonofneptun> its a  confusion  of my nick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[17:46] <orionsonofneptun> i cant calm down its like this every day
[17:46] <ikonia> orionsonofneptun: it's not, please don't lie
[17:46] <ikonia> come back in 7 days and we'll review your ban then
[17:46] <orionsonofneptun> i seek knowledge and some jerk calls me a troll
[17:47] <ikonia> orionsonofneptun: final request, take some time out
[17:47] <orionsonofneptun> this is unfair and you know it thier is no excus
[17:47] <orionsonofneptun> s
[17:47] <ikonia> !guidelines | orionsonofneptun
[17:47] <ikonia> orionsonofneptun: have a read through that link that ubottu sent you
[17:47] <ikonia> orionsonofneptun: it may give you a better idea of how you are expected to behave in the channels
[17:47] <bazhang> orionsonofneptun, please thats enough now
[17:47] <ikonia> orionsonofneptun: clear ?
[17:47] <orionsonofneptun> i did and i abide!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[17:48] <orionsonofneptun> clear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
[17:48] <ikonia> orionsonofneptun: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! is not needed and part of the reason you are causing a problem
[17:48] <ikonia> orionsonofneptun: there are two mutes on you already in the channel that you tried to get around rather than resolve, so it's hard to believe your actions
[17:48] <orionsonofneptun> you dont want me learning vital ecc correctable error knowledge to save my own life
[17:48] <ikonia> come back in 7 days and we'll try to clear it all down
[17:48] <orionsonofneptun> you are a killer
[17:49] <ikonia> ok - save your own life, this is enough now
 #bitcoin-bot(s) cant remember would ove mary2000 tho
[18:50] <bazhang> bitcoin bots?
[18:55] <oCean> was pjwaffle's bot, talk in pm, he promised not to bring it back
[19:47] <bazhang> AP065ED87P0, hi
[19:47] <AP065ED87P0> HI
[19:48] <bazhang> how can we help you
[19:48] <AP065ED87P0> hmm
[19:49] <bazhang> orionsonofneptun, hi
[19:49] <orionsonofneptun> hey
[19:49] <ikonia> orionsonofneptun: please come back in 7 days as you know
[19:49] <bazhang> orionsonofneptun, 7 days, not today
[19:49] <orionsonofneptun> im working real hard to make a positive nick formyself
[19:49] <ikonia> orionsonofneptun: please don't start up again - return in 7 days
[19:49] <ikonia> orionsonofneptun: you've just been a problem in #freenode - I suggest trying harder
[19:49] <ikonia> come back in 7 days
[19:49] <ikonia> not before
[19:49] <orionsonofneptun> just please let me explain
[19:50] <ikonia> no
[19:50] <ikonia> come back in 7 days not before
[19:50] <bazhang> orionsonofneptun, it can be more than 7 days.
[19:50] <bazhang> orionsonofneptun, so please lets make it only 7 days.
[19:51] <orionsonofneptun> i need it now very desperatly please use some discression here all i said was what is ecc correctional errors
[19:51] <orionsonofneptun> thats ne reason to ban me
[19:52] <bazhang> orionsonofneptun, come back in 7 days.
[19:53] <bazhang> orionsonofneptun, or is that too soon.
[19:53] <bazhang> perhaps 14 would be better
[19:53] <orionsonofneptun> havent i been delayed in life enough???????? i mean this in the calmest most polite way
[19:54] <bazhang> so 14?
[19:54] <ikonia> don't care now
[19:54] <ikonia> not playing stupid games
[19:54] <ikonia> he's just been a total fool wasting peoples time in #freenode, why let him waste peoples in #ubuntu
[20:02] <ikonia> mauke: hi
[20:02] <mauke> ban<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[by ikonia!~irc@unaffiliated/ikonia, -2498 secs ago]
[20:02] <mauke> this one
[20:03] <ikonia> probably chanserv just being a bit screwy from a netsplit or something
[20:03] <mauke> huh. ok
[20:18] <bazhang> and he ban evaded right in the middle of asking for staff-ship
[20:18] <Pici> heh
[20:18] <ikonia> silly
[20:18] <bazhang> a+ for chutzpah
[20:19] <ikonia> ?
[21:22] <bazhang> M4dH4TT3r, hello
[21:22] <M4dH4TT3r> hello bazhang
[21:23] <M4dH4TT3r> can the ban/bans in #ubuntu be lifted
[21:24] <bazhang> not at this time, no
[21:24] <M4dH4TT3r> let me guess another week?
[21:24] <bazhang> doubtful
[21:24] <M4dH4TT3r> lol
[21:24] <bazhang> try askubuntu.com in the meantime
[21:25] <M4dH4TT3r> so why cant it be removed?
[21:25] <ikonia> M4dH4TT3r: come on - lets be honest
[21:25] <M4dH4TT3r> ok lets
[21:25] <ikonia> you don't want support, you just want to cause a problem and troll
[21:25] <M4dH4TT3r> not true
[21:25] <ikonia> so why don't you just do it elsewhere
[21:25] <M4dH4TT3r> i do
[21:26] <ikonia> then why do you persistantly cause a problem with bad language/attitude/trolling ?
[21:26] <ikonia> if you genuinly want support, why do you try to be a problem
[21:26] <M4dH4TT3r> disagreeing with someone is not a bad attitude
[21:26] <M4dH4TT3r> or trolling
[21:27] <ikonia> M4dH4TT3r: welcome to disagree, I have no issue with that
[21:27] <ikonia> but then breaking the rules is not disagreeing
[21:27] <ikonia> that's just trying to be a problem
[21:27] <M4dH4TT3r> so lets be honest ikonia you have banned me for a typo before
[21:27] <ikonia> it's just tedious, so why don't you use other channels
[21:27] <ikonia> then using excuses like "I was drunk"
[21:27] <ikonia> never banned you or anyone for a typo
[21:28] <ikonia> you're banned from a ton of channels, it's not just ubuntu
[21:28] <bazhang> M4dH4TT3r, lets stop here please
[21:28] <ikonia> you are a problem in many channels, so look - use other channels
[21:28] <M4dH4TT3r> let me guess that wasnt you in other rooms i was in yelling troll and getting me banned either?
[21:28] <M4dH4TT3r> before i even spoke
[21:28] <ikonia> you're not getting back into #ubuntu channels anytime soon, so find somewhere else
[21:28] <ikonia> no "wait a week" or anything like that - just find somewhere else
[21:28] <M4dH4TT3r> was that a "yes i did that"?
[21:29] <ikonia> no, not at all
[21:29] <M4dH4TT3r> liez
[21:29] <ikonia> but I'm just interested in being realistic with you here - you're not getting back in for a long time, so I suggest look for somewhere else
[21:29] <M4dH4TT3r> its been a long time think about it
[21:30] <ikonia> you've had the ban removed many times and then put back on
[21:30] <ikonia> so you can't get in line - so find somewhere else
[21:30] <ikonia> thats the bottom line
[21:30] <ikonia> best of luck with whatever different channels you use, or support resources you want to use forum/askubuntu etc etc
[21:30] <M4dH4TT3r> in line ive been in line a long time and still havent gotten past the bouncer
[21:31] <ikonia> M4dH4TT3r: nothing more to discuss
[21:31] <ikonia> M4dH4TT3r: please leave now, and start looking for support alternatives
[21:31] <M4dH4TT3r> and thats always how you play it ikonia you start spouting communist bs and then try to end the conversation
 because I dont like the lsb standard    I have no idea how to answer that
[22:01] <ikonia> it's just nonsense
[22:02] <Fuchs> ikonia: I assume that M4dH4TT3r is aware of the possible actions if unhappy with operators here?
[22:02] <ikonia> very much
[22:03] <ikonia> he's a long term idiot banned from tons of channels
[22:03] <ikonia> he's just trying to kick up a fuss, he knows everything there is to know about what to do/how to resolve etc
[22:03] <Fuchs> oh, I already had the pleasure with him in the past,
[22:03] <Fuchs> I just wondered why he rambles on #freenode instead
[22:03] <ikonia> because he's trying to kick up a fuss
[22:05] <Fuchs> oh well
[22:05] <ikonia> sorry about him
[22:06] <ikonia> hi pfifo
[22:06] <pfifo> what did i do wrong?
[22:06] <Fuchs> ikonia: no worries, not your fault (I hope!) ;)
[22:06] <ikonia> pfifo: did you see the bit where I asked you to stop making things up ?
[22:06] <ikonia> Fuchs: I assure you it's not
[22:07] <pfifo> yeah, so i quit messing around
[22:07] <ikonia> pfifo: then you made a comment about canonical locking you in with handcuffs
[22:07] <ikonia> you did this straight after I told you to stop it
[22:07] <ikonia> which is again just nonsense rambling
[22:07] <ikonia> so I removed you
[22:08] <ikonia> what did you think was going to happen - I ask you to stop making things up (it missleads other users) and straight away, you make up more stuff and post it to the channel
[22:08] <pfifo> ok, i will really stop
[22:08] <ikonia> well, you have stopped
[22:08] <ikonia> I've banned you from the channel now
[22:08] <ikonia> I shouldn't have had to
[22:08] <ikonia> do you think it's funny to just make up stuff in front of 1400 people ?
[22:09] <ikonia> no, it's not, it's not helpful and missleading
[22:09] <ikonia> then when I ask you to stop you do it again,
[22:09] <ikonia> I shouldn't need to ban you to get you to use your head to realise that making stuff up is just stupid and unhelpful and then to do it straight after an op asks you not to.....you can take some time out from #ubuntu
[22:10] <pfifo> fine, how long?
[22:10] <ikonia> come back in a week
[22:10] <pfifo> you really think it deserve a whole week?
[22:10] <ikonia> yeah, after you did it 30 seconds after I told you not to
[22:11] <ikonia> that's just trying to be smart and push your luck
[22:11] <ikonia> so take a week to think about if you want to try to tell lies in the channel again
[22:11] <ikonia> I don't find it funny when 1400+ other users are watching you tell them nosense
[22:11] <pfifo> well I didnt realize you were ordering me to stop
[22:12] <ikonia> I shoudln't have to
[22:12] <ikonia> common sense kicks in
[22:12] <ikonia> pfifo: how would you feel if when you come back in week and I said - sorry it's actually 1 month
[22:12] <ikonia> I just lied and misslead you to be funny
[22:13] <ikonia> I shouldn't have to tell you that "telling people lies about ubuntu is a bad thing to do in an ubuntu channel"
[22:13] <ikonia> and then when I DO tell you to stop, you do it again ???? come on think it through, is that a good thing to do
[22:14] <pfifo> you could have said 'pfifo if you dont shut up I will ban you'
[22:14] <ikonia> anyway, see you in a week, have a think about if you want to start speading nonsense information in #ubuntu again
[22:14] <ikonia> pfifo: I shouldn't have to
[22:14] <pfifo> and yes you do have to
[22:15] <ikonia> you should have enough common sense to realise that doing it is wrong, and doing it after you've been told not to is just rude
[22:15] <ikonia> pfifo: well, no you know
[22:15] <ikonia> now
[22:15] <ikonia> see you in a week
[22:15] <pfifo> mybe I dont have enough common sense then
[22:15] <ikonia> clearly not
[22:15] <ikonia> think it through for a week
[22:15] <ikonia> bye
[22:17] <Fuchs> right, have a nice day / evening  *waves*