[03:40] <Thom_Holwerda> waiting for ubuntu-sparc mini.iso to get fixed and then i can dump my x86 again
[03:40] <da_bon_bon> khinester: right
[03:40] <Sysace> can anybody help / offer suggestions???
[03:41] <Thom_Holwerda> Sysace, it might have to do with the fact that b/w g3's are pretty old--  i have no idea
[03:41] <fsc> still can't play mp3, but gnome sounds work. i wonder if it has something to do with esd.  i did download gstreamer-mad
[03:41] <Thom_Holwerda> ubuntu worked fine on my g4 imac
[03:42] <tritium> worked fine our G3s
[03:42] <Sysace> Thom_Holwerda:  yellowdog installed fine.. and according to what I see on forums.. it has installed on older hardware
[03:42] <khinester> da_bon_bon: and what is the next command?
[03:42] <Thom_Holwerda> mmmm okayokay, i really have ni idea :(
[03:42] <da_bon_bon> khinester: apt-get install apache
[03:42] <khinester> thats simple
[03:43] <tritium> khinester, you don't want apache2?
[03:43] <SiRrUs> fsc what are you using to play the mp3s
[03:43] <khinester> i do
[03:43] <da_bon_bon> khinester: isnt it :) or rather, use synaptic - simpler
[03:43] <Sysace> anybody else with any ideas?  or is there anywhere else i can go for help??
[03:43] <da_bon_bon> Sysace: whats the prob. ?
[03:44] <tritium> khinester, then don't get apache.  Get apache2.
[03:44] <Skid> i recently just pulled an unused drive out my machine, and now when i try to boot it up, I get a grub error 21 - can't get to any menus any ideas?
[03:44] <Sysace> da_bon_bon:  I've completed the first stage of the install, when asked to reboot, I get yaboot, choose gnu/linux, choose Linux (Linux/old are the options), then i get error:  /pci@80000000/pci-bridge@d/pci-ata@1/@0/disk@0:11,\\linux:  No such file or directory
[03:44] <da_bon_bon> Sysace: why not grub ?
[03:44] <khinester> tritium: so, sudo apt-get install apache2
[03:44] <Thom_Holwerda> lol
[03:44] <tritium> khinester, yep
[03:44] <khinester> or apache2-common
[03:44] <Thom_Holwerda> grub isnt for ppc
[03:44] <Sysace> da_bon_bon:  I didn't get a choice ..
[03:44] <Thom_Holwerda> on ppc you need yaboot to boot linux
[03:45] <tritium> khinester, apache2.  It'll pull in apache2-common.
[03:45] <njan> Skid, yes, you broke grub :)
[03:45] <Skid> oh nm, sorted
[03:45] <Skid> odd.
[03:45] <da_bon_bon> Thom_Holwerda: oh ok..
[03:45] <Skid> just scanned the bios again after putting the drive back in
[03:45] <njan> Skid, ah :)
[03:45] <Skid> how can I remov ethe drive, and still have it working?
[03:45] <da_bon_bon> Sysace: sorry no idea for ppc
[03:45] <Skid> grub doesn't reference the drive
[03:45] <njan> Skid, you'll have to reconfigure grub
[03:45] <Skid> hmph, how strange
[03:45] <njan> Skid, what other drives do you have, and how are they configured?
[03:45] <Sysace> da_bon_bon:  thanks anyways... any idea where else I could try to get support?
[03:45] <Thom_Holwerda> the ubuntu forums
[03:46] <Thom_Holwerda> post a msg there
[03:46] <Skid> 2 others, master + 2nd slave
[03:46] <Skid> 2nd slave = ubuntu
[03:46] <da_bon_bon> Sysace: #ubuntu-devel the mailing list. the wiki.
[03:46] <njan> Skid, and this is the secondary master?
[03:46] <Skid> i'll have a poke
[03:46] <Sysace> ubuntu-devel via irc right?
[03:46] <Skid> no, this is the primary slave that i've taken out
[03:46] <da_bon_bon> www.ubuntuforums.org - your best choice
[03:46] <njan> Skid, gotcha
[03:46] <Skid> which is odd.
[03:46] <njan> Skid, by default, grub assigns hard drives numbers from hd0 upwards
[03:46] <da_bon_bon> anyone running OOo 2 on oary ?
[03:47] <njan> Skid, it would be my guess that removing your primary slave (which it probably sees as hd1) makes it see your ubuntu drive (which was hd3) as hd2..
[03:47] <da_bon_bon> Sysace: yes.
[03:47] <njan> ..so it's looking for hd3 to boot ubuntu off, and hd3 isn't there, because all of the drives after that one have moved down a number..
[03:47] <Skid> mm
[03:47] <Skid> heh
[03:47] <Skid> probably
[03:47] <da_bon_bon> anyone running OOo 2 on oary ?
[03:47] <njan> Skid, you can reinstall grub fairly easily.
[03:47] <acidmaxd> many people have problems with yesterdays kernel update (kernel-restricted-modules). maybe we should put the explanation on the topic?
[03:47] <da_bon_bon> Skid: grub-install /dev/hda
[03:48] <da_bon_bon> Skid: do grub-update first
[03:48] <thesilverhand> da_bon_bon: i've got OOo 2 on hoary...not exactly using it...but got it to have a look
[03:48] <Thom_Holwerda> acid
[03:48] <njan> Skid, as da_bon_bon points out :)
[03:48] <Thom_Holwerda> acidmaxd, it broke ubuntu-sparc, apparently
[03:48] <Skid> :)
[03:48] <Skid> hda != linux drive
[03:48] <Skid> but i'll sort it from it, thanks
[03:49] <da_bon_bon> thesilverhand: it reqs. kde right ?
[03:49] <acidmaxd> Thom_Holwerda: it broke i386 too :)
[03:49] <Thom_Holwerda> acidmaxd: all arch. got fixed-- except for sparc, so it seems, i posted a new bug on it
[03:50] <acidmaxd> Thom_Holwerda: are we talking about the same issue?
[03:50] <Thom_Holwerda> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6606
[03:54] <acidmaxd> Thom_Holwerda: not the same problem. I am talking about the recent kernel upgrade, released without corespondenting restricted modules. Result: nvidia/ati users cannot start GDM/X
[03:54] <Thom_Holwerda> okay; im not that educated in kernels and such, so i assumed we were talking about the same
[03:55] <SiRrUs> acidmaxd which kernel
[03:55] <acidmaxd> SiRrUs: just a second
[03:56] <Corvus> err. where could i see the boot up log ?
[03:56] <acidmaxd> Corvus: "dmesg"
[03:56] <Corvus> ok, thx
[03:56] <acidmaxd> SiRrUs: <IP_ADDRESS>-5, released yesterday
[03:56] <acidmaxd> <IP_ADDRESS>-5-386
[03:57] <LinuxJones> acidmaxd, there is a new nvidia-glx module for download
[03:57] <SiRrUs> ooh thats why i have not seen the trouble i have 2.6.10-3-686-smp
[03:58] <LinuxJones> acidmaxd,  nvidia-glx reverted back to version 1.0-6111 from August.
[03:59] <AndyR> and very runs too
[03:59] <AndyR> and very nicely it runs too
[04:00] <SiRrUs> :)
[04:02] <acidmaxd> LinuxJones: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. (linux-restricted-modules-2.6-386 kept back)
[04:02] <acidmaxd> acidmaxd: doesn't seem to be in the repos
[04:02] <LinuxJones> acidmaxd, ya I don't know what's up with that. I am still using the vesa driver atm.
[04:03] <acidmaxd> LinuxJones: me too, until this issue is fixed
[04:03] <tritium> acidmaxd, dist-upgrade
[04:03] <LinuxJones> acidmaxd, broken dependencies I guess
[04:03] <tritium> acidmaxd, or explicitly install the l-r-m
[04:03] <acidmaxd> tritium: didn't help either: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[04:03] <tritium> acidmaxd, I was able to install it this morning.
[04:03] <acidmaxd> tritium: unsatisfied depends
[04:03] <tritium> not for me
[04:04] <LinuxJones> acidmaxd, doesn't look good for the stable release of a desktop based distro, but that's what you get with binary only drivers :(
[04:04] <acidmaxd> linux-restricted-modules-2.6-386: Depends: linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-5-386 but it is not installable
[04:04] <jacquesmerde> my ubuntu system broke when i did a dist-upgrade. it works now that i've fiddled, but i want to go to a vanilla 5.04. is that possible without reinstalling from scratch?
[04:04] <tritium> acidmaxd, you must have a mirror that isn't updated yet
[04:05] <acidmaxd> tritium: i am using my own ubuntu mirror, synchronized every hour with archive.ubuntulinux.org
[04:05] <tritium> acidmaxd, something is wrong then
[04:05] <LinuxJones> tritium, I am having the same problem
[04:05] <acidmaxd> tritium: yes, the wrong thing is that kernel ABI is changed, and ati and nvidia drivers aren't synchronized with the kernel release yet
[04:06] <tritium> They are fixed now.
[04:06] <tritium> apt-cache policy linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-5-686
[04:06] <tritium> linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-5-686:
[04:06] <tritium>   Installed: <IP_ADDRESS>.3-7
[04:06] <Ephemeral> how do i edit my GRUB conf again? after the last Ubuntu updates it seems to have lost my Win2000 entry
[04:07] <acidmaxd> tritium: let's see, resyncing my mirror
[04:07] <tritium> acidmaxd, are you mirroring warty-security?
[04:07] <tritium> LinuxJones, do you have warty-security in your sources.list?
[04:08] <Bandit> tritium you are the man
[04:08] <tritium> Bandit, :)
[04:09] <LinuxJones> tritium, yeah
[04:09] <Tommy> heya
[04:09] <Tommy> i tried installing ubuntu
[04:09] <Tommy> but it can't find my cd-rom drives
[04:09] <Ephemeral> ?
[04:09] <Tommy> how fucked up is that? it installs from cd-rom though can't find them
[04:09] <jacquesmerde> my ubuntu system broke when i did a dist-upgrade. it works now that i've fiddled, but i want to go to a vanilla 5.04. is that possible without reinstalling from scratch?
[04:09] <tritium> Bandit, what did you do?  add warty-security?
[04:09] <tritium> jacquesmerde, dist-upgrade is dangerous
[04:10] <tritium> if used without care
[04:10] <Ephemeral> how do i edit my GRUB conf again? after the last Ubuntu updates it seems to have lost my Win2000 entry
[04:10] <tritium> Ephemeral, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:10] <Skid> nano -w /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:10] <Bandit> tritium not a thing i am perfectly happy and content with hoary...works great for me ;)
[04:10] <tritium> Bandit, ah, cool.  Well, thanks, then!
[04:10] <khinester> how do you update the packages from the shell
[04:11] <Bandit> just enjoy reading the complaints
[04:11] <jacquesmerde> tritium, yeah, i've learnt this....know! but it seems to me linux is all about learning from mistakes. how does one take care with dist-upgrade?
[04:11] <tritium> khinester, "sudo apt-get update"
[04:11] <tritium> jacquesmerde, I told you yesterday about the "-u" switch, and paying attention to what will be removed/installed/replaced...
[04:11] <LinuxJones> khinester, you should check this out >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptgetHowto/
[04:12] <khinester> ok thx
[04:12] <kakorna> Hi, i have a question - what can be wrong if the computer stops at 'Preconfiguring packages...' when im doing 'apt-get install xserver-xfree86', its a 3.2ghz so it should work fine - ive tried both warty and hoary - the CD works fine on my laptop, any sugguestions?
[04:12] <tritium> acidmaxd, what's the story?
[04:13] <tritium> LinuxJones, still no luck?
[04:13] <jacquesmerde> tritium, yeah, but if its gonna remove a package thats important, how do i stop dist-upgrade and get around it?
[04:13] <LinuxJones> tritium, no it's still the same
[04:14] <Ephemeral> how do i write to GRUB/MENU.LST ? im in Nano
[04:14] <tritium> jacquesmerde, say "N" to the apt-get -u dist-upgrade
[04:14] <Ephemeral> ive made my changes
[04:14] <tritium> LinuxJones, I can send the package to you if you want it
[04:14] <LinuxJones> Ephemeral, ctrl + o then enter
[04:15] <LinuxJones> tritium, thanks dude I am in no real rush atm and can wait :)
[04:15] <Ephemeral> cant open file for writing
[04:15] <Ephemeral> permission denied
[04:15] <LinuxJones> Ephemeral, you need to be in root shell
[04:15] <tritium> LinuxJones, okay
[04:15] <jacquesmerde> so is my best way to get to a vaniall 5.04 now to just wipe my ubuntu partition and reinstall my warty cd?
[04:16] <LinuxJones> Ephemeral, sudo -s (enter your password) nano /boot/grub/whatever
[04:16] <jacquesmerde> tritium, so is my best way to get to a vaniall 5.04 now to just wipe my ubuntu partition and reinstall my warty cd?
[04:16] <khinester> i changed the hosname of the server and now i get an error|'sudo: unable to lookup ubuntu-mp3 via gethostbyname()
[04:16] <SiRrUs> jacquesmerde download and install array4
[04:16] <Ephemeral> ok ta
[04:17] <felix_1> jacquesmerde: 5.04? isn't a Hoary version ?
[04:17] <jacquesmerde> nup, hence dist-upgrade
[04:17] <SiRrUs> jacquesmerde ?
[04:18] <felix_1> jacquesmerde: about your nickname, it is a funny and curious one ... in french...
[04:18] <acidmaxd> tritium: i am mirroring warty-security too
[04:18] <jacquesmerde> whats "array4"? is that a version of 5.04?
[04:18] <tritium> jacquesmerde, "vanilla" 5.04 is kind of a moving target
[04:18] <acidmaxd> tritium: yes, there is updates ... checked 30 mins ago and there was none
[04:19] <tritium> acidmaxd, strange
[04:19] <felix_1> jacquesmerde: I am running array-cd 4 ...
[04:19] <SiRrUs> jacquesmerde take a look at the channel topic
[04:19] <acidmaxd> tritium: now downloading 12 archives
[04:19] <Bandit> tritium damm it man youi did it again ;)
[04:20] <felix_1> tritium: ouch! there is actually 59 update waiting: :-)
[04:20] <tritium> Bandit, heh
[04:20] <tritium> felix_1, okay...
[04:20] <felix_1> tritium: Should I go on woth those updates ? ( hoary repos )
[04:21] <jacquesmerde> tritium, oh yeah. how dies this sound...i do a fresh warty install, change my sources to hoary, then do a aptitude upgrade, but NOT an aptitude dist-upgrade (until hoary is no longer moving target)
[04:21] <tritium> felix_1, why not?
[04:21] <acidmaxd> tritium: The following packages will be upgraded: lesstif2 nvidia-glx
[04:21] <tritium> jacquesmerde, if you really wnat Hoary, I'd use either a daily build or array-4 install CD
[04:21] <SiRrUs> jacquesmerde or an array 4 install same difference
[04:22] <acidmaxd> tritium: linux-restricted-modules-2.6-386 kept back, is this a problem?
[04:22] <felix_1> tritium: I dunno if you are well with nvidia kernel and glx, what if I update linux-image 2.6.10-2 to something higher, is the nvidia-gls will still work?
[04:22] <tritium> acidmaxd, what does "apt-get -u dist-upgrade" want to do?
[04:22] <tritium> felix_1, you're on Hoary?  I have nvidia myself with latest kernel.
[04:22] <acidmaxd> tritium: yeah, i've forgot about dist-upgrade. all OK now :)
[04:22] <acidmaxd> thanks you very much :)
[04:22] <tritium> acidmaxd, excellent :)
[04:22] <jerome_stix> Re bonjours  tous
[04:22] <felix_1> tritium: (H)
[04:23] <tritium> felix_1, yes, the latest kernel and l-r-m are working with nvidia
[04:23] <jerome_stix> Terminator est parti ?
[04:23] <tsjubu> hello: i have a golden tip
[04:23] <tsjubu> after upgrading to hoary
[04:23] <SiRrUs> ah an esound upgrade is up now
[04:23] <jacquesmerde> tritium, SiRrUs, i dont really want hoary that much at all. i want the less broken packages (rhythmbox, etc) of hoary, but gernerally a mroe stable warty system..so wary -> hoary repos  -> upgrade -> NO dist-upgrade?
[04:23] <tsjubu> remove firefox and reinstall it
[04:24] <felix_1> But I am booting with LILO because grub won't install. if I update the kernel, I dunno how the lilo will be screwing my boot installation ...
[04:24] <tsjubu> your firefox will load now more guickly
[04:24] <tritium> jacquesmerde, you can always do daily updates, yes
[04:25] <SiRrUs> tsjubu does that apply to everything or just firefox
[04:25] <jacquesmerde> tritium: what are daily updates? that thing hoary has but warty doesnt?
[04:25] <tritium> jacquesmerde, no
[04:25] <tsjubu> FF
[04:25] <SiRrUs> :)
[04:25] <felix_1> Strange, there is no kernel upgrade, lots gnome and kde stuff, and of course apache2 stuff...
[04:25] <tsjubu> it is more smoothly upstarting
[04:26] <tritium> jacquesmerde, simply apt-get upgrade
[04:26] <tsjubu> and your streams are more stable!!
[04:26] <tsjubu> only FF
[04:26] <SiRrUs> felix_1 what kernel you looking for
[04:26] <tritium> jacquesmerde, you're better off with an Hoary daily build or array install CD
[04:26] <tritium> jacquesmerde, then, just do daily updates & upgrades
[04:27] <aleitner> in what dir does one put custom latex styles, so that they are automatically found?
[04:27] <felix_1> tritium: I have the one installed with arraycd4 (2.6.10-2) I saw 2.6.10-4 avail... I hesite to get those...
[04:27] <felix_1> eho: even 2.6.11 ! :-)
[04:27] <SiRrUs> i couldnt get 2.6.11 to work
[04:28] <felix_1> SiRrUs: Thanks for your hint ! :-)
[04:28] <jacquesmerde> tritium: thanks for you help, i'll do just that (the array option). wanna throw a .torrent link this way?
[04:28] <tritium> jacquesmerde, see the URL in the topic ;)
[04:28] <SiRrUs> but i may try again I  am a sucker for punishment
[04:28] <SiRrUs> anyway brb
[04:28] <felix_1> :-)
[04:28] <jacquesmerde> i did!
[04:29] <tritium> felix_1, you mean linux-image-2.6.10-3?
[04:29] <jacquesmerde> i just saw straight dload links. it must just be my idiocy, i'll look again
[04:29] <tritium> jacquesmerde, torrents are listed at the bottom
[04:30] <felix_1> tritium: yes... whay ?
[04:30] <felix_1> oh! sorry... read why
[04:30] <acidmaxd> tritium: thanks god ubuntu has debian roots :))
[04:30] <acidmaxd> apt is awesome :)
[04:30] <tritium> felix_1, because 2.6.10-3 works just fine with nvidia
[04:30] <jacquesmerde> tritum..ah, thanks...for your patience with me
[04:30] <tritium> acidmaxd, indeed it is
[04:31] <tritium> jacquesmerde, of course, buddy
[04:32] <felix_1> tritium: okay, but 2.6.10-2 run well too actually :-)
[04:32] <tritium> felix_1, it's your call
[04:33] <Bandit> tritium dammit anyway
[04:33] <tritium> Bandit, damn what?
[04:33] <XineL> hello all
[04:34] <gazakii> hi all
[04:34] <XineL> anybody know how to boot into a previous kernel using command line?
[04:34] <acidmaxd> hello
[04:34] <tritium> XineL, grub-reboot with the proper argument
[04:34] <acidmaxd> XineL: you can press Esc on GRUB screen
[04:35] <XineL> so grub-reboot "kernel"
[04:35] <XineL> ?
[04:35] <tritium> XineL, why does it have to be the command line?
[04:35] <gazakii> is there an easy way to configure linux-source for module compiling?
[04:35] <XineL> can't get into gnome
[04:35] <tritium> XineL, but you can use the grub menu
[04:35] <Bandit> ;) I need to go out and shovel the 10cm of snow in my driveway >>> jut had to complain
[04:36] <tritium> XineL, anyway, if you choose the command-line approach, it's "sudo grub-reboot #", where # is the entry you want from /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:36] <XineL> i don;t have a menu that pops up straight away that i know of, it just boots my current kernel
[04:36] <XineL> ah thanx tritium
[04:36] <CarlK> "gurb screen" = the words "grub... press esc for menu"
[04:36] <tritium> XineL, hit Esc or the space bar
[04:36] <shock> now i feel bad - I am running OSX and enjoying it :(
[04:36] <XineL> bbs
[04:36] <shock> to ease my pain - does anyone need help?
[04:36] <tritium> Bandit, don't hurt yourself
[04:36] <shock> :P
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[04:37] <adidas[> Not ! sexy.maturesites.net and http://freesex.maturesites.net
[04:37] <Bandit> :) thanks
[04:37] <tritium> :)
[04:37] <Xappe> hmm
[04:37] <gazakii> is there an easy way to configure linux-source for module compiling?
[04:38] <CarlK> "apt-get install gnome" said among other things: "...package is simply not installable and a bug report against that package should be filed."
[04:38] <wm_eddie> did the chan just get spamed by a porn site!
[04:38] <meuserj|work> lol
[04:38] <CarlK> where do I file?
[04:38] <tritium> gazakii, most modules can be compiled with linux-headers packages that match your kernel version
[04:39] <meuserj|work> CarlK, bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org
[04:39] <wm_eddie> CarlK: I don't think we are supposed to install that package.
[04:39] <CarlK> um, what package should I install?
[04:39] <wm_eddie> CarlK: It's also in Universe
[04:39] <wm_eddie> Ubuntu-desktop?
[04:39] <wm_eddie> don't you already have gnome?
[04:39] <jacquesmerde> tritium, sorry to bug you with another question, but i'm used to using aptitude. does synaptic use aptitude's layer or just plain apt?
[04:40] <gazakii> tritium:yeah but this one needs a makefile that contains rules for module compiling
[04:40] <hitu> hey
[04:40] <hitu> *** The command 'cc -o conftest -g   conftest.c' failed.
[04:40] <CarlK> I did a server install - small box, wanted it a bit more custome
[04:40] <hitu> i get that when i tried to do configure on gcc
[04:40] <hitu> what package am i missing ?
[04:40] <CarlK> E: Couldn't find package Ubuntu-desktop
[04:40] <wm_eddie> CarlK: look at the dependencies of ubuntu-desktop
[04:40] <tritium> jacquesmerde, it's just a front-end to apt
[04:41] <wm_eddie> (That capitol U was a type
[04:41] <wm_eddie> typo...)
[04:41] <tritium> gazakii, which module is that?
[04:41] <CarlK> wow... After unpacking 1072MB of additional disk space will be used.
[04:41] <gazakii> Intel 536.
[04:41] <wm_eddie> CarlK: It's not just GNOME but everything Ubuntu comes with installed by default.
[04:42] <XineL> tritium: thanx u saved me
[04:42] <wm_eddie> CarlK: I wonder if there's a way to do apt-get install gnome-*
[04:42] <CarlK> gnomemeeting and samba-common?!
[04:42] <tritium> XineL, :)
[04:42] <CarlK> yeah, this is not what I want...
[04:42] <hitu> anyone ? :|
[04:43] <hitu> ./configure: line 2332: cc: command not found
[04:43] <hitu> *** The command 'cc -o conftest -g   conftest.c' failed.
[04:43] <hitu> *** You must set the environment variable CC to a working compiler.
[04:43] <hitu> what package am i missing ?
[04:43] <tritium> hitu, you're best off installing build-essential
[04:43] <hitu> cool
[04:43] <hitu> yah thats what i did last time too
[04:43] <hitu> ehehe
[04:44] <XineL> ok thanx for the help ppl seeya
[04:44] <jacquesmerde> tritium, so is one better off using aptitude than synaptic?
[04:44] <wm_eddie> CarlK: I'm sure you can use aptitude or something to install a program that depends on a gnome desktop
[04:45] <wm_eddie> and just go with that.
[04:45] <gazakii> i had some probs with the headers. it was looking in the wrong folder. i copied the .h files there. and now it asked for rules for compiling modules that were supposed to be in lib/modulesarch/include/build now i have the linux source package installed. i extrcted the source but apparently it needs configuring. i have o idea what the default <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 configuration is though
[04:45] <tritium> jacquesmerde, not necessarily.  That's a personal prefernce.  I use apt, myself.
[04:45] <tritium> gazakii, it should be in /boot
[04:46] <CarlK> how do I install firefox?
[04:46] <Nermal> there
[04:46] <Nermal> one more machine on ubuntu :D
[04:46] <tritium> sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[04:47] <CarlK> mozilla... thanks
[04:47] <gazakii> i set the makefile to look in /boot but it doesnt seem to find it. do you what it is called? i will try copying it to /lib/modules... dir
[04:47] <tritium> CarlK, do you know how to search for packages with apt-cache search?
[04:47] <khinester> i ma trying to install the libapache2-mod-musicindex, but get an error E: Couldn't find package libapache2-mod-musicindex
[04:47] <tritium> gazakii, config-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686, or whatever your arch is
[04:47] <CarlK> kinda - when I am 3 levels deap in trying to solve a problem I start looking for easy answers
[04:48] <tritium> khinester, is that the only reason you're installing a web server?
[04:48] <khinester> yep
[04:48] <tritium> khinester, gnump3d works without needing a web server
[04:48] <khinester> i need it to be online
[04:48] <tritium> khinester, no problem
[04:49] <CarlK> why does mozilla-firefox depend on libcdparanoia0 ?
[04:49] <khinester> so, how about this error
[04:49] <AngryClip> anyone know why the "sessions" configuration panel thing (that you can get to via gnome-control-panel) always comes up when ubuntu starts?
[04:49] <acidmaxd> khinester: is this a streaming server? a-la shoutcast?
[04:49] <gazakii> tritium:thanks
[04:49] <khinester> yes, i want to have a selections of mp3's
[04:49] <tritium> khinester, anyway, it's an easier way to setup an online server
[04:49] <LinuxJones> AngryClip, because it's set to run @ startup.
[04:49] <Nakah> Hi, I need the ncurses-dev in order to configure my kernel with the "make menuconfig". I've already tryed "apt-get install ncurses-dev".
[04:50] <khinester> tritim, which is?
[04:50] <acidmaxd> i am wondering which themes/icons are you using
[04:50] <acidmaxd> i find the combination of Glider and Gnant very smooth :)
[04:50] <tritium> Nakah, libncurses5-dev
[04:50] <LinuxJones> AngryClip, gnome-session-properties and look in startup programs
[04:51] <AngryClip> LinuxJones: where would that be?
[04:51] <LinuxJones> AngryClip, alt + F2 then start typing gnome-session-properties
[04:51] <Nakah> tritium, I tryed this one but it doesn't found the package
[04:51] <tritium> or Alt-F1 ... Alt-F6
[04:51] <AngryClip> LinuxJones: it is in the "current sessions" tab, but everytime I kill it, it comes back on startup
[04:51] <LinuxJones> AngryClip, it has auto-complete
[04:51] <AngryClip> auto-complete?
[04:52] <AngryClip> alt+f2 doesn't seem to do anything
[04:52] <tritium> Nakah, why are you building your own kernel, anyway?
[04:52] <tritium> AngryClip, Ctrl-Alt-F1
[04:52] <LinuxJones> AngryClip, then under session options tab uncheck automatically save session
[04:52] <AngryClip> it is not in startup programs
[04:52] <Nakah> I need to add some stuff
[04:52] <AngryClip> it is already unckecked LinuxJones
[04:52] <tritium> Nakah, it's not in linux-restricted-modules?
[04:52] <LinuxJones> AngryClip, wtf
[04:53] <AngryClip> indeed
[04:53] <tritium> Nakah, well, that's the package you need
[04:53] <AngryClip> I shall consult google
[04:54] <tritium> Nakah, check that you spelled it right.  It's in main, so you should be able to get it.
[04:55] <linuxboy> Im synaptic, theres a row called S then theres a row with ubuntu logos in it. Whats that about?
[04:55] <Thom_Ubuntu> what version of gnome is currenty in hoary?
[04:55] <Thom_Ubuntu> 2.9.??
[04:55] <tritium> yes
[04:55] <tritium> 2.9.91
[04:55] <Thom_Ubuntu> ah okay, thought so, thanks
[04:55] <Nakah> tritium, I've checked the spelling, but it doesn't found the package ?
[04:55] <Tsjoklat> thoreauputic, heya
[04:56] <thoreauputic> hi :)
[04:56] <tritium> Nakah, it's in main.  You can't miss it.
[04:56] <tritium> Nakah, you likely don't even need a custom kernel anyway.
[04:56] <Tsjoklat> thoreauputic, long time no see :)
[04:56] <Nakah> but I want to test it
[04:56] <lonewolff> i wonder if anyone can help me, i have a friend with a laptop, ATI ac'97 sound but i cant get it to work
[04:57] <Tsjoklat> Nakah, http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html#INSTALL-KERNEL-PKG
[04:57] <Tsjoklat> Nakah, there you'll find the info you need
[04:57] <thoreauputic> Tsjoklat: ah, well, I've been tweakig my new install :)
[04:57] <LinuxJones> linuxboy, the s is the a checkbox, the ubuntu logo means that the package is maintained by the Ubuntu dev's
[04:57] <thoreauputic> *tweaking
[04:57] <Tsjoklat> thoreauputic, you tell more? what have you been doing?
[04:57] <CarlK> speaking of sound.. what is the script that help sets up sound?
[04:57] <Tsjoklat> thoreauputic, minus the first 'you'
[04:58] <Tsjoklat> CarlK, alsaconf --> alsa-utils
[04:58] <CarlK> thanks
[04:58] <thoreauputic> Tsjoklat: nothing special - just playing with sound mainly - first time I got it working on this box
[04:58] <tritium> alsaconf is not in alsa-utils
[04:58] <Tsjoklat> thoreauputic, what are you running now?
[04:58] <jacquesmerde> linuxboy: synaptic -> help -> icon legend
[04:58] <Tsjoklat> tritium, it is
[04:58] <tritium> Tsjoklat, no
[04:58] <Tsjoklat> tritium, whatever
[04:59] <tritium> Tsjoklat, perhaps on Warty
[04:59] <thoreauputic> Tsjoklat: just a bog standard Warty with extras from universe and multiverse
[04:59] <Tsjoklat> CarlK, type: apt-cache search alsaconf and you will get this
[04:59] <Tsjoklat> alsa-utils - ALSA utilities
[04:59] <tritium> dpkg -L alsa-utils will reveal no alsaconf, however
[04:59] <Tsjoklat> thoreauputic, still not on hoary? I am liking it
[05:00] <thoreauputic> Tsjoklat: also had to compile a few things that weren't available, like the latest Fluxbox
[05:00] <Tsjoklat> thoreauputic, ah I want to give that a try someday
[05:00] <thoreauputic> Tsjoklat: I'm on dialup - I'll wait for the release ;)
[05:00] <Tsjoklat> thoreauputic, be brave.. so am I :P I did a sudo apt-get -d dist-upgrade
[05:00] <thoreauputic> Tsjoklat: I use checkinstall to keep track
[05:01] <kakorna> Hi, i have a question - what can be wrong if the computer stops at 'Preconfiguring packages...' when im doing 'apt-get install xserver-xfree86', its a 3.2ghz so it should work fine - ive tried both warty and hoary - the CD works fine on my laptop, any sugguestions?
[05:01] <Tsjoklat> kakorna, what do you mean? you get an error?
[05:01] <tritium> CarlK, if you install alsa-utils, you'll discover that alsaconf is not in the package
[05:02] <thoreauputic> Tsjoklat: If you had any idea how I struggled with Debian and Alsa trying to get this sound working - and Ubuntu just did it "out of the box" :)
[05:02] <lonewolff> that is very true
[05:02] <lonewolff> alsaconf is not in alsa-utils
[05:02] <lonewolff> which is why i have a bit of a problem
[05:02] <tritium> lonewolff, I know.  Tsjoklat doesn't believe me
[05:03] <Tsjoklat> thoreauputic, well sound is a bit warped in hoary at the moment.. apparently polyaudio is not all bug free
[05:03] <Bandit> tritium ;)
[05:03] <tritium> Bandit, hey
[05:03] <tritium> Back from shoveling snow?
[05:03] <Tsjoklat> tritium, you got a mission now :)
[05:03] <Bandit> he hasnt seen you in action is all
[05:03] <tritium> Tsjoklat, what's that?
[05:03] <tritium> heh
[05:03] <Xappe> polypaudio is a total mess imo right now
[05:04] <Tsjoklat> tritium, to convince me :)
[05:04] <tritium> Tsjoklat, install it for yourself and see
[05:04] <Tsjoklat> Bandit, were you talking about me?
[05:04] <Bandit> tritium i cheated started the snow blower
[05:04] <tritium> nice
[05:04] <CarlK> cat /usr/lib/menu/alsa-utils shows command="/usr/sbin/su-to-root -p root -c /usr/sbin/alsaconf" but /usr/sbin/alsaconf doesn't exist
[05:04] <tritium> CarlK, I told you so...
[05:04] <Bandit> Tsjoklat yes sir I was
[05:05] <tritium> Tsjoklat, there's your proof
[05:05] <Tsjoklat> Bandit, correction:  he hasnt seen you in action is all should be SHE hasn't seen you in action is all
[05:05] <tritium> CarlK, for Tsjoklat please paste output of "dpkg -L alsa-utils | grep alsaconf"
[05:05] <lonewolff> so is there any other easy way to configure a soundcard (im trying to explain this to someone over msn) seeing as alsaconf doesent exitst
[05:05] <Bandit> ah another one of us
[05:06] <CarlK> tritium - nothing returned
[05:06] <tritium> CarlK, thank you very much :)
[05:07] <tritium> Tsjoklat, Q.E.D
[05:07] <CarlK> but apt-get... says alsa-utils is already the newest version.
[05:07] <Tsjoklat> tritium, translate into?
[05:07] <CarlK> lonewolff - yes - explain to them what IRC is ;)
[05:07] <tritium> Tsjoklat, latin for "that which was to be proved"
[05:08] <Xappe> oh oh, alsaconf wrestling
[05:08] <tritium> Tsjoklat, it's used in mathematical proofs
[05:08] <Tsjoklat> tritium, impressive
[05:08] <Tsjoklat> tritium, marvelous
[05:08] <tritium> Tsjoklat, no, just assumed you knew it
[05:08] <CarlK> and yet, I have no beep... ;)
[05:08] <thoreauputic> I think the Ubuntu maintainer forgot about alsaconf... Debian has it of course
[05:08] <CarlK> i have alsaconf
[05:09] <CarlK> no wait...
[05:09] <CarlK> I have alsactl... got confused
[05:09] <lonewolff> thats the only probs i have with this laptop, pcmcia doesent work and sound doesent work (i thot ac97sound would work out of the box but alas no)
[05:09] <Tsjoklat> well thoreauputic since it is my birthday today I have two options.. either I stay here and be obnoxious and make tritium happy or go and have myself a birthday breakfast.. I opted for the last :) see you soon! take care
[05:10] <tritium> Tsjoklat, happy birthday
[05:10] <LinuxJones> thoreauputic, the dev's left it out cause it's too buggy
[05:10] <CarlK> happy Birthgday !
[05:10] <CarlK> Tsjoklat - how close to chicago are you?
[05:10] <thoreauputic> Tsjoklat: Happy Birthday!
[05:10] <Tsjoklat> CarlK, errrr about seven hours flying or so? lol
[05:10] <Tsjoklat> and thanks everybody for the birthday wishes
[05:10] <Tsjoklat> be good :)
[05:11] <thoreauputic> LinuxJones: yeah, well it didn't help me on Debian, and I didn't need it on Ubuntu....
[05:11] <tritium> Tsjoklat, :)
[05:11] <CarlK> awww... http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/pics/cam/Kelli/cakes/Rachel/small/P1010007.JPG
[05:11] <CarlK> best I could do on short notice
[05:11] <lonewolff> do does anyone know how im goign to get ac97 sound working without aslaconf?
[05:12] <Bandit> lonewolff you dint get anysound at all? even when you login
[05:12] <CarlK> lonewolff - same as me: hum
[05:13] <Xappe> hmm. new updates: esound-clients, esound-common, libesd0, libesd0-dev...
[05:13] <Bandit> Xappe they are trouble
[05:14] <CarlK> i think something removed esound
[05:14] <tritium> CarlK, yes, polypaudio replaced it if you upgraded ubuntu-desktop
[05:14] <lonewolff> hmm i just saw a post on the forum that says ati ac97 works in hoary i shall try a dist-upgrade
[05:14] <tritium> CarlK, if you dist-upgraded you may not have noticed this
[05:14] <CarlK> I didn't do ubuntu-desktop
[05:15] <tritium> CarlK, if you didn't dist-upgrade, then you should still have esound
[05:15] <CarlK> um, should I do dist-upgrade?
[05:16] <tritium> it's up to you
[05:16] <tritium> polypaudio might not work for you
[05:16] <CarlK> damm, landed in my coffee cup
[05:16] <tritium> in fact, will probably not work for you
[05:16] <tritium> it's more of a poopaudio at the moment
[05:17] <CarlK> poop?  tee hee
[05:17] <lonewolff> hmm so its  not worth upgrading to try to get sound to work then .....
[05:17] <tritium> lonewolff, you can, but I recommend esound until the poopaudio issue is resolved
[05:18] <lonewolff> ok, is there a config program for esound?
[05:19] <CarlK> well, we don't really need alsaconf to make it work, thats just a handy config generator, right?
[05:19] <tritium> not that I recall, and I don't have it installed anymore to check
[05:19] <jdub> tritium: what's your problem with polypaudio?
[05:19] <lonewolff> i just need a way to get this persons sound working for them
[05:20] <lonewolff> i dont have ubuntu installed here so i cant try things :S
[05:20] <CarlK> lonewolff - why don't they join this channel?
[05:20] <tritium> jdub, #define MAX_CONNECTIONS 10
[05:21] <jdub> tritium: ...
[05:21] <jdub> tritium: boggle :)
[05:21] <tritium> jdub, /var/log/messagesL protocol-esound.c: Warning! Too many connections (10), dropping incoming connections
[05:21] <jdub> haha
[05:21] <jdub> what on earth are you running?
[05:22] <tritium> nothing, really
[05:22] <tritium> Xappe, you're getting the same thing, correct?
[05:22] <tritium> And another yesterday was getting the same thing,
[05:22] <tritium> All I've got open right now is gaim
[05:23] <lonewolff> would alsaconf deom a debian repo work on ubuntu?
[05:23] <lonewolff> s/deom/from
[05:23] <jdub> tritium: c'mon, more than ten clients?
[05:23] <crimsun_> lonewolff: please don't use alsaconf, it's broken in many ways
[05:24] <tritium> jdub, I get that message simply on startup
[05:24] <lonewolff> well how am i going to get sound to work then?
[05:24] <CarlK> lonewolff - why don't they join this channel?
[05:24] <tritium> The only things in my session are terminals and gaim
[05:25] <Nakah> has someone managed to use madwifi drivers ?
[05:25] <netmonk> hello! i just upgraded to hoary and have problem with locale settings. any ideas?
[05:25] <crimsun_> lonewolff: need lspci -v information (only the relevant sound line)
[05:25] <racoontje|clone> Wow, evilwm rocks.
[05:25] <CarlK> tritium - stop trying to do voip with all of your gaim contacts ;)
[05:26] <tritium> CarlK, heh
[05:26] <tritium> Xappe, buddy, where are you?
[05:26] <lonewolff> crimsun_: on its way
[05:26] <thoreauputic> $ netmonk , maybe sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales for a start...
[05:26] <priest> what is voip? ip-telephone?
[05:26] <Xappe> tritium, last time i checked there were some polypaudio modules not loading and so on and forth
[05:26] <CarlK> Voice Over IP
[05:27] <priest> CarlK: is there gaim support for that?
[05:27] <Xappe> here I am Don tritiumo
[05:27] <CarlK> priest - I have no clue really
[05:27] <priest> CarlK: ok..
[05:27] <tritium> Xappe, so, you no longer have the same messages in /var/log/messages?
[05:27] <CarlK> lscpi dosn't show any sound, but lspnp shows 05 ESS0004 multimedia controller: audio ; 06 ESS1878 multimedia controller: audio
[05:28] <Xappe> tritium, i'll check, hold on
[05:28] <lonewolff> crimsun_: 0000:00:14.5 Multimedia audio controller: ATI Technologies Inc IXP150 AC'97 Audio Controller
[05:28] <racoontje|clone> lonewolff, intel-i810
[05:28] <racoontje|clone> lonewolff, for alssa
[05:28] <racoontje|clone> ehh alsa
[05:29] <lonewolff> so modprobe intel-i810 should do it for a test?
[05:29] <tritium> jdub, you don't honestly think I'm running several audio clients...
[05:29] <crimsun_> lonewolff: you need a newer version of ALSA, unfortunately there's no good way of getting those packages built. I will mark this a high priority problem and have a solution for you in 8 hours.
[05:29] <netmonk> thoreauputic, i get: perl warning: setting locale failed
[05:29] <crimsun_> lonewolff: you need to use the 'snd-atiixp' module.
[05:30] <lonewolff> crimsum_: ok
[05:30] <Xappe> tritium, lots of "protocol-esound.c: read() failed: EOF "
[05:30] <crimsun_> Xappe: polypaudio is being invoked from gnome-session; you're not manually starting it, are you?
[05:31] <thoreauputic> netmonk: have you tried re-running base-config ?
[05:31] <tritium> crimsun, similar problems here
[05:31] <crimsun_> Xappe: does Desktop>Preferences>Multimedia Systems Selector>Default Sink>ESD>Test work for you?
[05:31] <crimsun_> tritium: ^^
[05:31] <netmonk> thoreauputic, how?
[05:31] <tritium> crimsun, no, doesn't work
[05:32] <thoreauputic> netmonk: err... by typing  base-config ? sudo base-config I suppose...
[05:32] <crimsun_> tritium: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-February/022670.html
[05:32] <tritium> heck, Multimedia System Selector crashes
[05:32] <tritium> crimsun, thanks, I'll try that after my lunch meeting. I need to go now.
[05:32] <Xappe> crimsun, well, acually i haven't played around so much with it. but i should not have to either...have it turned off right now, waiting for updates...
[05:32] <tritium> Thanks again.
[05:34] <crimsun_> lonewolff: I presume this is occurring under Warty?
[05:34] <crimsun_> lonewolff: (it's moot under Hoary, because the ALSA version in Hoary is new enough)
[05:35] <qlo-xael> Hi, i just tried compiling something in ubuntu and there is no gcc
[05:35] <Xappe> crimsun, but i'll try that
[05:35] <lonewolff> crimsun_: yeah under warty
[05:35] <qlo-xael> is this a mistake did the install not work correctly?
[05:35] <crimsun_> qlo-xael: absolutely not a mistake. Not every desktop user needs gcc.  sudo aptitude install build-essential
[05:35] <linuxboy> How do I play DVDs in ubuntu? what must i install ?
[05:36] <crimsun_> linuxboy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[05:36] <netmonk> thoreauputic, it just asked about GMT and Area for time zone: Europe
[05:36] <crimsun_> linuxboy: err, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:36] <thoreauputic> by the way, for any devs listening - having the gnome-cd player start up by default is kind of annoying if you can only use digital output for CD playing - I take it gnome-cd has no digital option?
[05:36] <qlo-xael> oh thank god, i was afraid ubuntu didnt like compiling or something
[05:37] <thoreauputic> netmonk: hmm... there should be something you can run that will let you chose your locale - maybe someone else knows?
[05:37] <qlo-xael> crimsun_ any other commands i should run from a fresh install
[05:37] <qlo-xael> .. installed ubuntu last night
[05:37] <crimsun_> qlo-xael: might want to check the guide (see /topic)
[05:38] <qlo-xael> is there any command to use the mouse in the console?
[05:38] <qlo-xael> not finding gpm
[05:38] <sc_> I have a problem with my screen resolution. It is set at 1024x768, but when i try to change it to the supported 1400x1050 it "repeats" the different parts of the screen. Anyone can help me? Or need more info?
[05:39] <crimsun_> qlo-xael: 'gpm' is in 'universe'
[05:39] <qlo-xael> no comprende, what is universe?
[05:39] <crimsun_> qlo-xael: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages
[05:39] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: if you are going tpo compile stuff, enable universe and multiverse
[05:40] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: synaptic, look for "repositories"
[05:40] <Xappe> off@reboot
[05:40] <qlo-xael> my apologies, slackware is the only linux i've used, debian is sorta foreign
[05:40] <crimsun_> qlo-xael: the FAQ in the topic is a good place to start.
[05:40] <qlo-xael> thanks
[05:41] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: and I suggest you also install "checkinstall"
[05:41] <netmonk> thoreauputic, it tells me: please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = "en_GB:en_US", LC_ALL = (unset), LANG = "en" are supported and installed on your system. Perl: warning: Falling back to the standart locale ("C"). locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: no such file or directory (and the same message for LC-MESSAGES and LC_ALL
[05:43] <thoreauputic> netmonk: this is Warty? rather surprising: are you sure you answered the questions in th einstall correctly?
[05:43] <timothy> I have windows partitions mounted successfully and can access them through their mounted location, but they aren't showing up in my 'Disks' window, does anyone know why?
[05:43] <bluefoxicy> well that was unstable
[05:43] <bluefoxicy> I closed one window and 5 programs all closed.
[05:43] <netmonk> thoreauputic, i just upgraded to hoary
[05:44] <thoreauputic> timothy: you have them in /etc/fstab?
[05:44] <thoreauputic> netmonk: ah, well, you get to keep the pieces then, I guess ;)
[05:45] <qlo-xael> This is an odd problem, I have ubuntu on my laptop with a touchpad type of mouse, the buttons worked, but tapping the pad which usually denotes a single click doesnt work.
[05:45] <timothy> thoreauputic: yes, and after mounting they do appear where they are supposed to (/mnt/win) but not in along with the other mounted disks
[05:45] <qlo-xael> any suggestions?
[05:46] <qlo-xael> also, after running xf86config, the /dev/mouse link disappears and i am having one hell of a time getting the mouse working again
[05:46] <thoreauputic> timothy: just guessing, but I suspect a syntax error in /etc/fstab
[05:47] <timothy> thoreauputic: well, if it helps, these are the lines I appended: /dev/hda1       /mnt/win        ntfs    defaults,uid=1000   0       0                   /dev/sda1       /mnt/winsata    ntfs    defaults,uid=1000   0       0
[05:47] <timothy> with /dev/sda1 beginning a new line
[05:47] <timothy> do you see anything?
[05:48] <Bandit> tritium if your still here do you know how to correct this error/  your session only lasted 10sec......?
[05:48] <jamin> Bandit, I'm having the same problem after doing an apt-get upgrade this morning.  really annoying and I can't find any errors in the log files
[05:48] <thoreauputic> timothy: try   noauto,users,exec,ro,uid=1000,gid=1000  0 0
[05:49] <Bandit> jamin yep thats what happened to me as well
[05:49] <qlo-xael> What boot loader does ubuntu use and where is its configuration file?
[05:49] <meuserj|work> wierd error.. I'm attempting to try out polypaudio, but when I enable esd in gconf, it kills my icon and gtk themes
[05:49] <myzt1qu3> i want some help with my linux OS
[05:49] <Get> How I do for remove a startup script to start when the computer start?
[05:49] <timothy> thoreauputic: wow, that worked. Thanks
[05:49] <Xappe> damnit, can't logon to gnome after reboot
[05:50] <Bandit> Xappe same here
[05:50] <jamin> that makes three of us now
[05:50] <Bandit> i told you those d/l were trouble
[05:50] <meuserj|work> I can fix it... you need to remove the enable_esd in your gconf
[05:50] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: grub, in /boot/grub/menu.lst from memory
[05:50] <Xappe> Bandit: didn't think they were that bad
[05:50] <Bandit> Xappe> hmm. new updates: esound-clients, esound-common, libesd0, libesd0-dev...
 Xappe they are trouble
[05:50] <meuserj|work> happened to me too
[05:50] <Bandit> lol
[05:50] <blah09> cant you just reinstall esound?
[05:51] <meuserj|work> might work.. but I don't usually use esound, so I didn't go that route
[05:51] <qlo-xael> How do i change my console font to say 800x600?
[05:51] <Xappe> hmm, now I have to learn irssi ;)
[05:51] <netmonk> how do I uninstall package form the console?
[05:52] <qlo-xael> thanks thoreauputic, btw
[05:52] <racoontje|clone> evilwm rocks!!1!1
[05:52] <meuserj|work> sudo apt-get install packagename
[05:52] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: no worries :)
[05:52] <r3v3rb> how come synaptic isn't a gtk2 themeable application ?
[05:52] <thoreauputic> netmonk: sudo apt-get remove packagename
[05:52] <blah09> the fact taht you have to run it as root would be my guess
[05:52] <r3v3rb> wierd considering most other system apps are
[05:53] <Nermal> meuserj|work, how did you get round the esound problem ?
[05:53] <kent> r3v3rb, it is.
[05:53] <qlo-xael> How do i change my console font?
[05:53] <r3v3rb> doesnt look like the rest of my apps
[05:53] <r3v3rb> crappy buttons and icons
[05:53] <r3v3rb> compared to the rest
[05:53] <Nermal> is there a workaround for the esound problem ?
[05:54] <Nermal> why would it stop people logging into gnome ?
[05:54] <meuserj|work> I went into my gconf directory (~/.gconf) and edited the xml file "gnome/sound/%gconf.xml"
[05:54] <meuserj|work> and set enable_esd to false
[05:54] <kent> r3v3rb, im not sure if it defaults to that. Have you changed something, like allowing the use of root?
[05:54] <thoreauputic> r3v3rb: try a different theme, or look in the icons for your theme and replace them
[05:54] <Nermal> meuserj|work, all ok then ? :)
[05:54] <meuserj|work> yeah
[05:55] <Nermal> cheers :)
[05:57] <qlo-xael> Would anyone know why my /dev/mouse link would disappear after running xf86config?
[05:57] <CarlK> looks like snd-es18xx.ko is for my "ESS1878 multimedia controller" - do I just put snd-es18xx in /etc/modules?
[05:57] <Xappe> hmm, how do you connect to a second irc server with irssi?
[05:58] <thenuke> /server +new.server
[05:58] <Xappe> thenuke: ok
[05:58] <Xappe> thnx
[05:59] <Bandit> anyone know of a fix to "your session only lated 10 seconds"
[05:59] <thoreauputic> Get: if you're still ther, read about update-rc,d (there's a maual page)
[05:59] <thoreauputic> *there
[05:59] <thoreauputic> update-rc.d sorry
[06:00] <Get> thoreauputic: k, thanks :)
[06:00] <thoreauputic> Get: it isn't hard to use, but you need to read about it first :)
[06:01] <Get> thoreauputic: should the link still be in the rcX.d dir?
[06:02] <thoreauputic> Get: in /etc/init.d - search the man page for "REMOVING SCRIPTS" (I have it in front of me)
[06:03] <qlo-xael> Anyone know what file defines which console font will be used?
[06:03] <thoreauputic> Get: the rc.d scripts and init.d scripts are linked
[06:04] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: with lilo, you can specify the font in lilo.conf - don't know about grub
[06:04] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: it's done with a numbe code in lilo.conf, as I recall
[06:04] <thoreauputic> *number
[06:05] <qlo-xael> lilo i know how to do
[06:05] <qlo-xael> grub, this mystifies me
[06:05] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: heh - yeah I'm new to grub too :)
[06:05] <njan> grub's far simpler
[06:05] <njan> lilo is a pita
[06:05] <Echylo> yaay full ubuntu now! :D
[06:05] <qlo-xael> do you know njan how i specify a console font with grub?
[06:06] <njan> qlo-xael, no clue, never tried :)
[06:06] <Echylo> lol
[06:06] <Bandit> Echylo just dont do an updat today if your running hoary
[06:06] <Echylo> ?
[06:06] <Echylo> I have warthy
[06:06] <njan> Bandit, why noT?
[06:06] <njan> s/noT/not/
[06:06] <Bandit> cause you will crash and burn
[06:06] <Echylo> I still have those shipped cd's
[06:07] <thoreauputic> njan: Hoary is broken, as usual for a development distro :)
[06:07] <Bandit> no just the last update i did today
[06:07] <tolstoy> downloaded updates today (not even a new kernel) and now X won't start!  Get all the way to the gnome splash screen.
[06:07] <Bandit> other then that hoary is great
[06:07] <Echylo> it even detects my extra buttons on a microsoft keyboard
[06:07] <tolstoy> hoary, of course.
[06:08] <njan> thoreauputic, good to know. No-one told me :)
[06:08] <Bandit> you to tolstoy?
[06:08] <Bandit> njan I just did
[06:08] <twisted_steel> my gnome session won't start so I have to use the ttys :)
[06:08] <tolstoy> Bandit: you're experiencing that?  Phew!  Good to know it's not JUST my system.
[06:08] <Bandit> there are about 5 or 6 of us now
[06:09] <thoreauputic> twisted_steel: apt-get install fluxbox ;)
[06:09] <Bandit> numbers are building :)
[06:09] <tolstoy> so it's a gnome-session issue, eh?
[06:09] <tolstoy> at least I know what to look for via apt-get.
[06:09] <Bandit> seems to be
[06:09] <twisted_steel> thoreauputic: just a problem with hoary, that's all :)
[06:09] <tolstoy> I even tried a different kernel. heh heh.
[06:09] <twisted_steel> thoreauputic: I do need to put one of those on my machine at some point
[06:09] <Bandit> I reinstalled :(
[06:09] <thoreauputic> twisted_steel: yes, goes with the territory I guess
[06:10] <thoreauputic> twisted_steel: I compiled the recent version on Warty - using flux as we speak
[06:10] <thoreauputic> 0.9.12
[06:11] <Bandit> Xappe any luck?
[06:11] <Xappe> i booted to windows
[06:11] <Bandit> yuk ;)
[06:11] <Xappe> mhm
[06:11] <Xappe> first time in nonths
[06:11] <Xappe> *months
[06:11] <thoreauputic> I have  a checkinstall deb for it if anyone is interested - but it's for warty I guess
[06:11] <Echylo> I just deleted windows :D
[06:12] <qlo-xael> It doesnt appear grub has anything to do with the console font in use, does anyone know of any way to change my console font in ubuntu
[06:12] <Xappe> Bandit, did you get into gnome?
[06:12] <Bandit> Xappe i am but i didnt update, SiRrUs updated and cant get into gnome
[06:12] <Bandit> stupid bugger :)
[06:13] <Xappe> mhm
[06:13] <twisted_steel> thoreauputic: I'm patiently waiting for enlightenment - haven't used it since it was set as default in gnome 1.x
[06:13] <tolstoy> I wouldn't mind the TTY so much but I can never get ubuntu to shut off the terminal bell.  the setting in inputrc makes no diff
[06:13] <Echylo> hmm, I search a program to connect to a news server, and that has the ability to downlad
[06:13] <Echylo> download*
[06:13] <tolstoy> Echylo, pan?
[06:13] <Echylo> pan?
[06:13] <Echylo> just like that?
[06:14] <thoreauputic> twisted_steel: ah, yes - they say E17 moght even be out before Longhorn ! </joke>
[06:14] <thoreauputic> *might
[06:14] <twisted_steel> thoreauputic: heh
[06:14] <tolstoy> pan, a gnomeish newsreader, lets you download binaries, puts 'em together, etc.
[06:14] <Echylo> tolstoy, what do you mean?
[06:14] <scoon> anyone in hoary having gnome crash becuase of a locale problem ?
[06:14] <tolstoy>  scoon, it's crashing for me.  didn't know it was a locale prob, tho.
[06:15] <thoreauputic> Echylo: pan is quite a nice app - sudo apt-get install pan
[06:15] <Echylo> can I download?
[06:15] <Bandit> scoon many of us
[06:15] <Echylo> can the program download I mean
[06:15] <Xappe> it does not crash for me, because i can't get into gnome at all ;(
[06:15] <tolstoy> Echylo, download what?
[06:15] <Echylo> stuff
[06:15] <tolstoy> Xappe, ditto.
[06:15] <Echylo> you can download through newservers
[06:15] <tolstoy> Echylo, yes.  You can "save attachments".
[06:15] <mirak> what services in the runlevel 2 are trying to acces to the pci bus ?
[06:16] <Echylo> ok
[06:16] <Echylo> thanks
[06:16] <tolstoy> Echylo, it's easy enough to install it, try it out.
[06:16] <Echylo> won't be the last question ;)
[06:16] <Echylo> yea already installing
[06:16] <Echylo> :p
[06:16] <mirak> what ubuntu is doing that is different from a debian in runlevel 2 ?
[06:16] <Echylo> I prefer the synaptic package manager
[06:16] <Echylo> :p
[06:16] <Echylo> instead of terminal
[06:16] <thoreauputic> Echylo: type apt-cache show pan to read about it, enable universe, then install it with synaptic or just sudo apt-get install pan
[06:16] <scoon> Bandit, and tolstoy good to know that i am not the only one.  any leads on fixing it ?
[06:16] <tolstoy> Echylo, sounds good, but hard to describe on irc.
[06:17] <Bandit> lets see if this fixes it
[06:17] <Bandit> I will let you know in a couple mins
[06:17] <tolstoy> scoon, I've heard nothing.  Just tried LOCALE=C startx.  Blah.
[06:17] <qlo-xael> What is that command that lets me start usin gcc?
[06:17] <scoon> tolstoy, that sux.  I bet it will get resolved in a few hours.
[06:17] <marcin_ant> hi folks do you know something about problems with win xp and ubuntu?
[06:18] <marcin_ant> I installed ubuntu and then win xp and after reboot I got "no system disk found"
[06:18] <Xappe> my dual boot is working just fine
[06:18] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: be more specific? sudo apt-get install build-essential?
[06:18] <Webpit> If one has ideas to improve some of the modules in Ubuntu/Debian like printer install, Nautilus, how the heck do you find out where to go to contribute?
[06:18] <qlo-xael> thats the one, thans
[06:18] <CarlK> has modules.conf been replaced?
[06:18] <qlo-xael> thanks
[06:18] <Echylo> marcin_ant, you should check your grub file
[06:18] <dr_willis> Hmm.  I got a new machine with a Via-SATA Raid built in. with 2 hard drives in a raid all ready set up (xp is on it now) about to trash xp and install linux. Sould i be watching out for any problems with this setup?
[06:18] <tolstoy> scoon, I wish I knew which deb to backport to.
[06:18] <thoreauputic> marcin_ant: win has tried to wipe your mbr
[06:18] <Webpit> dr_willis
[06:18] <Webpit> yes
[06:19] <Webpit> be sure you research the driver issue
[06:19] <dr_willis> Webpit,  :P thats why i am asking here befor i do it. lol :p
[06:19] <Webpit> i had a nightmare with this recently
[06:19] <Webpit> and ended up sticking with windows 2003 server :(
[06:19] <Xappe> Bandit, have to go. send me a query if you see any fixes to the gnome problem
[06:19] <Bandit> nope there were some new gnome updates but they didnt help
[06:19] <thoreauputic> marcin_ant: you need to install win first - or do a lot of fiddling if you don't - windows doesn't recognise any other OS
[06:19] <dr_willis> Webpit,  I got an ide drive also in the box.  I had tried install ing linux to it.. it isntalled. but then the system dident boot. Grub some how dident boot the right drive or somthing.
[06:19] <Webpit> what i have been able to find out is... SATA RAID drivers are "experimental" at best in linux
[06:20] <tolstoy> Bandit, system tools?  Yeah, I was hoping against common sense, too.
[06:20] <Echylo> thoreauputic, I think I would work if he would reinstall ubuntu at the same partition
[06:20] <Echylo> then it recognizes windows
[06:20] <dr_willis> Webpit,  lol :P i could just disable the raid controller and use the 2 sata in a non-raid i guess.
[06:20] <Echylo> and it will configure grub for him
[06:20] <Bandit> :) they will come soon
[06:20] <dr_willis> Webpit,  i think they are experimental in windows XP also.. they just dont tell you that.  Lol
[06:20] <tolstoy> how do you turn off the terminal bell (in tty mode) for backspace?
[06:20] <tbenita> hi, I get a message saying that /lib/iptables/libipt_nat.so: isn't available ; is there nat support in the ubuntu kernel ?
[06:20] <Webpit> the stuff i've read and i have no way to back this up... speculation i guess... that the manufacturers product crappy linux drivers simply to have "linux drivers"
[06:21] <thoreauputic> Echylo: I'm not going to attempt to explain chroot to him, so a reinstall is simpler
[06:21] <Webpit> i read an article this guy benchmarked his computer with Win2k and linux drivers ... linux drivers performed horribly
[06:21] <thoreauputic> Echylo: just to get his mbr working
[06:21] <Nic> hi
[06:21] <Nic> Webpit, which driver?
[06:21] <Xappe> omg, the fonts in windows look ugly
[06:21] <pocket> hile, is there somebody who knows how to uninstall a deb package manually?
[06:21] <Webpit> i bought two supermicro servers with the adaptec marvel H1 chipset
[06:22] <pocket> pls PN me
[06:22] <marcin_ant> Echylo: I don't have access to my grub file
[06:22] <Webpit> well, supermicro says that their drivers are not available on kernel 2.6
[06:22] <Webpit> only < 2.4.8
[06:22] <Echylo> marcin
[06:22] <Echylo> reinstall ubuntu
[06:22] <Echylo> at the same partition
[06:22] <marcin_ant> Echylo: I just did
[06:22] <Webpit> well that was it for ubuntu, CentOS etc
[06:22] <Echylo> ow
[06:22] <thoreauputic> pocket: dpkg -r packagename
[06:22] <qlo-xael> is it wise to allow ubuntu's install program to partition your hard drive as it sees fit?
[06:22] <Echylo> and after that you installed XP ?
[06:22] <marcin_ant> Echylo: and I had "critical error" trying to install grub
[06:23] <Echylo> ow sorry then I can't help you, my knowledge doesn't reaches that far :p
[06:23] <Webpit> So willis, what im saying is check Via's website for exact match of your kernel and their driver
[06:23] <minimec> Hi. It seems that my dpkg database is broken (error 10). Well that's what I learned when I 'googles' around. The problem is, that I don't know how to fix that. May be you know the answer?
[06:23] <pocket> this wont work.. i have tried.. it is the sun J2sdk.. and it tries to remove a file which isnt there and breaks up then..
[06:24] <Echylo> wooow lovely
[06:24] <Echylo> usenet downs @ 300kbs
[06:24] <Echylo> pan rules!
[06:24] <Webpit> still there willis?
[06:24] <Webpit> ubuntu rules!
[06:24] <marcin_ant> Echylo: now I got lilo - but no access to XP
[06:24] <Echylo> hmm as I said, I don't know much from bootloaders
[06:24] <Echylo> have you checked the ubuntu site?
[06:25] <marcin_ant> thoreauputic: I installed ubuntu first on entire partition
[06:26] <marcin_ant> then I installed XP (repartitioned hdd - 40 GB - 5GB ubuntu, 5GB XP, ~30 data)
[06:26] <thoreauputic> marcin_ant: frankly, I would reinstall windows and then reinstall linux - that's the order you should have used: otherwise you will be tearing your hair out
[06:26] <marcin_ant> thoreauputic: I did !
[06:26] <marcin_ant> thoreauputic: the problem is that when I reboot after XP installation
[06:26] <Webpit> windows will always install its MBR over yours, but grub is nicer about it
[06:26] <marcin_ant> thoreauputic: then I got "no operating system"
[06:26] <Echylo> marcin_ant, FIRST Windows XP THEN Linux
[06:26] <Webpit> oh, marcin
[06:26] <Webpit> one more thing
[06:27] <Webpit> make sure windows is the FIRST partition
[06:27] <thoreauputic> marcin_ant: the order is IMPORTANT
[06:27] <Echylo> Webpit, that doesn't matter
[06:27] <Echylo> I installed XP on the 3rth
[06:27] <Webpit> it doesnt?
[06:27] <marcin_ant> guys I'll write this again:
[06:27] <Webpit> used to
[06:27] <Echylo> and it worked
[06:27] <Webpit> ;)
[06:27] <Webpit> i may be old and senile
[06:27] <Echylo> it has to be installed on the first HD
[06:27] <marcin_ant> I installed ubuntu on entire hdd
[06:27] <Webpit> ah thats it
[06:27] <Webpit> right
[06:27] <Echylo> :)
[06:27] <Echylo> you are old? ;p
[06:27] <marcin_ant> then I removed this parition and created new partitions 5+5+30
[06:28] <marcin_ant> installed XP on first partition and rebooted
[06:28] <marcin_ant> and then "no operating system found"
[06:28] <Echylo> marcin
[06:28] <marcin_ant> I booted from ubuntu cd
[06:28] <Echylo> install XP and leave free space for ubuntu
[06:28] <Echylo> then install ubuntu on the remaining space
[06:28] <marcin_ant> installed ubuntu bu I had "critical error" trying to install grub
[06:29] <Webpit> the only partitioning you ned to do for ubuntu at minimum is swap and an ext3 for the / mount point
[06:29] <thoreauputic> marcin_ant: I think your partition table is foo - bar
[06:29] <tolstoy> hm. maybe ubuntu forums has some hints about gnome tanking.
[06:29] <sw0> hi
[06:29] <Echylo> fubar
[06:30] <Webpit> fubar
[06:30] <Echylo> "fucked up beyond all repair" then
[06:30] <thoreauputic> Echylo: whatever ;)
[06:30] <Echylo> :p
[06:30] <Webpit> hahahaha
[06:30] <Webpit> thats my seagate hard drive
[06:30] <marcin_ant> thoreauputic: hmm now I got ubuntu - with LILO
[06:30] <Echylo> loool
[06:30] <Webpit> $2700 for data recovery can you believe that
[06:30] <Echylo> got a maxtor
[06:30] <Echylo> I don't do recovery's :p
[06:30] <Echylo> I redownload
[06:30] <Webpit> ha
[06:31] <marcin_ant> thoreauputic: so what should I do to remove lilo and install grub and add XP to grub configuration?
[06:31] <marcin_ant> thoreauputic: what is the procedure to replace lilo with grub?
[06:31] <Webpit> search for grub install
[06:31] <Nic> marcin_ant, just remove xp and install linux only
[06:31] <Webpit> it'll do it
[06:31] <Nic> you'll have more space and it'll be easier
[06:31] <Webpit> lol
[06:31] <Echylo> haha
[06:32] <Echylo> and then you come back and ask for emulators/alternatives etc
[06:32] <Webpit> google has the answers to life's questions
[06:32] <marcin_ant> Nic: ha ha ha - not funny at tall
[06:32] <marcin_ant> s/tall/all
[06:32] <Webpit> marcin
[06:32] <Webpit> what can you do in windows tha tyou cant do in linux?
[06:32] <Nic> marcin_ant, I didn't want to be funny, sorry
[06:32] <Webpit> heck i just converted a week ago and im not going back
[06:32] <Echylo> damn thats kewl
[06:32] <thoreauputic> *sigh* - It would be a pain to go through all this on IRC - but basically grub install should work - if nor you can use a floppy with grub on it
[06:32] <Echylo> being funny if you don't want too :p
[06:32] <Nic> marcin_ant, that's what I do actually, and thats what a lot of ppl do here as well
[06:32] <Webpit> albeit theres a learning curve
[06:32] <marcin_ant> Webpit: why do you thing that this installation is for me?
[06:33] <Echylo> step 1: Cool down
[06:33] <Webpit> well i dont know your background, but i understand your pain
[06:33] <Echylo> step 2: format your HD
[06:33] <marcin_ant> Nic: this machine is for my customer which is Photoshop and Corel user
[06:33] <Webpit> ah
[06:33] <Echylo> step 3: Install XP & leave space for Ubuntu
[06:33] <Webpit> well
[06:33] <Nic> marcin_ant, I see
[06:33] <Webpit> you should look at Gimp
[06:33] <Echylo> step 4: Install Ubuntu & reboot
[06:33] <Webpit> its wonderful
[06:33] <Echylo> Step 5: Keep breathing and hope
[06:33] <Webpit> butyou cant convert your customer
[06:33] <Webpit> thats for sure
[06:33] <marcin_ant> Webpit: again - it is not funny
[06:33] <Webpit> who's laughing
[06:34] <Echylo> me!
[06:34] <Echylo> me!
[06:34] <marcin_ant> Webpit: my customer works in printing house he cannot use gimp
[06:35] <Echylo> ooh
[06:35] <Echylo> install photoshop on his linux
[06:35] <Echylo> corel sucks anyway
[06:35] <dredg> marcin_ant: so why is he trying to use linux? right tool for the job and all that, and clearly in this case linux is not the right tool for the job
[06:35] <marcin_ant> Echylo: but he needs Corel because he gets files from his customers in corel format
[06:35] <Echylo> I see
[06:36] <Echylo> then you follow my 5 steps ^
[06:36] <marcin_ant> dredg: because he wants to learn linux
[06:36] <Nic> its too bad. so many ppl are forced to use windows for their work :p
[06:36] <marcin_ant> dredg: and I want him to switch to linux for web/mail/office etc.
[06:36] <Echylo> and you have to install it?
[06:36] <Echylo> that's not the way you learn linux
[06:36] <Echylo> :p
[06:37] <marcin_ant> Echylo: he is 55 y. old guy
[06:37] <Nic> Echylo, well he can use it, it isnt a bad thing
[06:37] <Webpit> ugh
[06:37] <Webpit> marcin, walk away from that
[06:37] <marcin_ant> Echylo: he doesn't want to learn linux in the way you think
[06:37] <Webpit> he will break you in "how do you do this, how do i do that" i know... my father wanted to "learn linux" translate:  wanted me to teach him
[06:37] <marcin_ant> Echylo: he just want "virus free" mail etc.
[06:37] <Nic> Echylo, yep it's hard learning when you're old. same for my parents. my dad want to use it, but I guess he wouldn't be able to install it
[06:38] <Bandit> Nic i am old
[06:38] <Echylo> marcin
[06:38] <Echylo> virus free mail
[06:38] <Echylo> install thunderbird
[06:38] <Echylo> antivir
[06:38] <Echylo> firefox
[06:38] <Echylo> zone alarm
[06:38] <marcin_ant> Webpit: I switched him to mozilla thunderbird and firefox already and open office
[06:38] <Echylo> he won't have troubles
[06:38] <Echylo> ow
[06:38] <Echylo> damn
[06:39] <Nic> well, if you're free time, you can have time to learn. when you are busy with your work, it's quite hard
[06:39] <Echylo> ok I understand
[06:39] <marcin_ant> Webpit: and now it should be easy for him to use these tools on linux
[06:39] <marcin_ant> ok guys now I need to fix this fuc*** partition
[06:39] <Webpit> yeah
[06:39] <marcin_ant> brb
[06:39] <Webpit> the more peoplel ike this see that there are options
[06:40] <Webpit> the more freedom they feel
[06:40] <Webpit> he should really look at gimp
[06:40] <Webpit> its a nice program or imagemagick
[06:40] <dredg> the gimp is not the be-all and end-all of graphics
[06:40] <Webpit> no
[06:40] <dredg> openoffice is not the be-all and end-all of office apps
[06:40] <Webpit> but i havent explored others
[06:40] <dr_willis> but for the Price - the Gimp is hard to beat...
[06:40] <dr_willis> :P
[06:40] <Webpit> yet
[06:40] <dredg> in fact things like excel and oo clash horribly
[06:41] <Webpit> oh man dont get me started on how excel killed my 100 hour + spreadsheet
[06:41] <dr_willis> lol
[06:41] <IRCMonkey> I'm wondering if ubuntu has some kind of port or package system?
[06:41] <ssam> does anyone know what is the command to run the application choosen as the mailto handler in the preferred applications control panel
[06:41] <dr_willis> IRCMonkey,  its uses the apt system.
[06:41] <dredg> sorry, i'm way too practical to switch to something just cos it's linux.
[06:41] <IRCMonkey> I see, thanks
[06:42] <ssam> i guess something like gnome-mail-handler or something
[06:44] <Echylo> question, when I saved attachements in Pan, I can't retrieve them in the fold I specified
[06:45] <marcin_ant> hmm what could be a reason for "critical error" when trying to install grub
[06:45] <marcin_ant> while lilo works perfectly?
[06:45] <Echylo> your computer likes lilo
[06:45] <Webpit> dredg i think for me its more a matter of freedom of choice now
[06:45] <Echylo> and hates grub
[06:46] <marcin_ant> Echylo: :)
[06:46] <Echylo> not funny I gues
[06:46] <Echylo>  :p
[06:46] <dredg> Webpit: i got bored with bludgeoning things into working with linux years ago. either i can do everything i need to do in one place or i cannot. if i cannot, then i won't.
[06:47] <Webpit> yeah
[06:47] <Echylo> any1 has Pan in here?
[06:47] <draxula> hi everyone
[06:47] <Webpit> i had the same problem a few years ago with redhat/gnome
[06:47] <Webpit> then i tried this dist came with a magazine
[06:47] <Webpit> i havent had to bludgeon yet
[06:47] <Webpit> even my printer works [same printer didnt work before under RH cups]
[06:47] <Webpit> and sound
[06:48] <draxula> just installed warty and strugling with wireless
[06:48] <Webpit> yeah i dont know if its the distribution [debian vs RH]  that makes the difference, or just a new crop of tools for "graphical" users that makes life more livable on linux
[06:48] <Echylo> anyone? I can't retrieve downloads from "Pan" usenet
[06:48] <tolstoy> Echylo, I use it, but it works for me.
[06:49] <jcoxon77> draxula, what is your wireless card?
[06:49] <Echylo> but It doesn't downloads the thing to my folder
[06:49] <Echylo> an mp3 btw
[06:49] <marcin_ant> Echylo: I propably have an explanation... http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyWarthogInstallNotes
[06:49] <tolstoy> maybe it placed it somewhere else?  Can you search your homedir?
[06:49] <Echylo> hmm
[06:49] <Echylo> how to search?
[06:49] <dr_willis> Echylo,  by defauklt they download to News/Pan
[06:50] <Echylo> yes
[06:50] <Echylo> that folder doesn't exists here
[06:50] <Echylo> save attachements in this directory : /home/echylo/News/Pan
[06:50] <Echylo> w8 a second
[06:50] <Echylo> god
[06:50] <dr_willis> hmm. Make the directory perhaps? no idea. I use pan on all tehse other disrtos.
[06:50] <tolstoy> maybe it somehow ended up in .pan?
[06:51] <Echylo> dr_willis said the answer
[06:51] <Echylo> wrong folder
[06:51] <Echylo> maybe he didn't saved them
[06:51] <Webpit> lol
[06:51] <Echylo> lets try
[06:51] <tolstoy> i've been running hoary since not long after warty.  this is the first time I've been locked out of my desktop!  I guess that's amazing, actually.
[06:52] <Echylo> hmm
[06:53] <Bandit> tolstoy same for me
[06:53] <Echylo> nope
[06:53] <Echylo> dr_willis, still not working
[06:53] <tolstoy> Bandit, someone just posted to the forums, claiming it's a session manager prob, but I don't seem to get as far as he did.
[06:53] <tolstoy> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=15742
[06:54] <thoreauputic> marcin_ant: if you're still fighting grub, there's a good article here: http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netos/article.php/3340051
[06:54] <Bandit> let me look
[06:54] <draxula> Intel 2200 onFujitsu Siemens Amilo Pro V2000
[06:55] <draxula> seems to picked up by the drivers, but no joy in configurating it.
[06:55] <zeR> I want to install a program, that includes a kernel module (fuse 2.2). I am installing linux-source right now. Can i simply modprobe the module after installing fuse or do i have to configure and build the kernel?
[06:55] <draxula> is there support for WPA yet on Ubuntu?
[06:56] <chrissturm> hey guys! i am running hoary, and after the latest updates my xsession ends after one second. anyone else experiencing this?
[06:56] <Bandit> tolstoy yeah mine is a bit different mine stops at your session only lasted 10 seconds
[06:56] <thoreauputic> chrissturm: just about everyone, it seems :/
[06:57] <Bandit> chrissturm thoreauputic said it
[06:57] <draxula> wait, let me first walk through the forums :-)
[06:57] <dr_willis> egads -- its amazeing the amount of Cruft that collects on a XP install...  :P replaceing XP with linux is like gaining back  2 new hard drives. :P
[06:58] <tolstoy> Bandit, are you using GDM?  I'm not, which is maybe why I don't see the same things.  I'll try it, then I'm off to a damned staff infection, er, meeting.
[06:58] <thoreauputic> has anyone tried ctrl-alt-F2, login, then try to run on tty8 by issuing `startx `which gnome-session` -- :1
[06:58] <Bandit> tolstoy isnt gnome GDM
[06:58] <thoreauputic> or startx /usr/bin/gnome-session -- :1
[06:59] <neighborlee> dr_willis, not only the Cruft...but the errors...IE wont display pages anymore and I can't even 'remove' IE to try to 'reinstall' it...talik about a mesed up OS ;-))..ridiculous <<<
[06:59] <dr_willis> note the 2 dashes - - :P
[06:59] <tolstoy> Bandit: I get that error as well when I start from gdm.
[06:59] <jem73> hola, alguien habla espaol???
[06:59] <thoreauputic> and the spaces !
[06:59] <tolstoy> thoreauputic, I generally startx from the tty all the time.
[06:59] <neighborlee> dr_willis, the reason its an issue is because I use gamespy for online gaming with a friend..and it requires IE to function...isn't that lovely ;-))
[06:59] <dr_willis> neighborlee,  my main issue now - is that XP isenting seeing the CD's change.. makes a little hard to install a 10 cd game when it cant see that youce put in disk #2 like it asked.
[06:59] <snowblink> jem73: #ubuntu-es
[06:59] <Bandit> tolstoy i always assumed that GDM was gnome display manager
[07:00] <thoreauputic> tolstoy: so did I until Ubuntu - now I'm cursing gdm all the time ;)
[07:00] <jem73> snowblink: gracias... :D
[07:00] <Echylo> ok tolstoy or dr_willis the Pan thing won't download any thing to the map I specified
[07:00] <dr_willis> neighborlee,  ive been useing GameSpy and its kin for ages.. :O  been testing out Xfire lately.
[07:00] <thoreauputic> tolstoy: but I still do the startx thing quite a bit
[07:00] <Echylo> ow Wait!
[07:00] <Nic> gamespy is hell, I hate it
[07:01] <Echylo> no
[07:01] <Echylo> now it downs txt's
[07:01] <tolstoy> Even gnome failsafe mode didn't work.
[07:01] <neighborlee> dr_willis,so whoever said that you can't uninstall IE was right apparatnly <G>...really bunrs me and i'm thinking only way out is to reinstall the entire OS....siiigh...too bad I can't get by totally without windows but atm I rely on msaccess and few others
[07:01] <Nic> same kind as steam
[07:01] <thoreauputic> Bandit: gdm *is* gnome display manager - gnome-session is one session you can start from it
[07:02] <thoreauputic> xdm and kdm are two other dm incarnations that do the same sort of thing...
[07:03] <vincent_> chrissturm: stop the starting of the sound daemon during the start of gnome (the option is in sound properties)
[07:04] <chrissturm> vincent_: in what config file? i cant run any gui app :)
[07:04] <Bandit> ok lets try this
[07:04] <vincent_> try to log in icewm
[07:05] <nanomad> i need help...
[07:05] <chrissturm> thx vincent_
[07:05] <vincent_> no problem
[07:06] <nanomad> anyone could help? I have upgraded my hoary and now gnome isn't working
[07:06] <Bandit> nanomad join the club
[07:06] <nanomad> any solutions?
[07:06] <thoreauputic> nanomad: you and all the rest of the universe, my friend :)
[07:06] <nanomad> dho!
[07:06] <nanomad> well, at least the shell works :)
[07:07] <nanomad> i'm using irssi
[07:07] <vincent_> nanomad : : stop the starting of the sound daemon during the start of gnome (the option is in sound properties)
[07:07] <nanomad> i'll try, tjx
[07:07] <thoreauputic> ... heh.. emacs is installed by default -some people *live* in emacs ;)
[07:07] <nanomad> ..err thx
[07:07] <vincent_> no problem
[07:07] <dr_willis> Emacs/OS :P
[07:08] <thoreauputic> dr_willis: "nice OS, pity about the editor..." ;)
[07:08] <Bandit> vincent_ that fixes the issue?
[07:08] <vincent_> yep
[07:08] <Bandit> hmmm how do you stop it
[07:08] <vincent_> it's due to the upgrade of esd this afternoon
[07:08] <dr_willis> thoreauputic,  now we need a Nice Channel Argument over weather or not "emacs" is an "IDE"
[07:08] <Bandit> yeah that was the last upgrade i made
[07:09] <vincent_> Bandit: go to System>preference>Sound
[07:09] <Bandit> how do you go about stopping the starting of it
[07:09] <nanomad> same question...
[07:09] <Bandit> vincent_ thats the problem i cant
[07:09] <vincent_> why ?
[07:10] <thoreauputic> dr_willis: http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/edistheeditor.txt
[07:10] <Bandit> you mean from terminal
[07:10] <thoreauputic> ;-)
[07:10] <vincent_> try to apt-get install icewm or something like that
[07:10] <dr_willis> i used to USE ed. you Young Wipper Snapper!
[07:10] <dr_willis> :P
[07:10] <dr_willis> i also used to irc on a "printing" greenbar terminal.
[07:10] <thoreauputic> dr_willis: when I were lad, used to stack punch cards !!
[07:11] <vincent_> so you can log in icewm and launch gnome-sound-properties
[07:11] <dr_willis> Lol.. they were just getting phased out  - i got to help throw them away.
[07:11] <vincent_> icewm, fluxbox or e16 ....
[07:11] <dr_willis> I do seem to recall an "Analog" computer in one of the labs.
[07:11] <nanomad> vincent_: thx i'll try. see ya!
[07:11] <spiral> hmmm...Does anyone here know whether the openoffice2 testing packages will be updated in hoary ?
[07:11] <vincent_> ok
[07:12] <thoreauputic> dr_willis: my laptop is *much* more powerful than the mainframe we used to do Fortran IV on !
[07:12] <dr_willis> "fortran" -- ARGH! dont use that word!
[07:12] <dr_willis> :P
[07:12] <thoreauputic> hehe
[07:12] <thoreauputic> better than *cough* COBOL
[07:13] <dr_willis> Comal  :P
[07:13] <MeMa|Sorcerer> hallo
[07:13] <racoontje|clone> How can I install Ubuntu on a PC without a CD-rom?
[07:14] <chrissturm> hmm, i cant run gnome-sesssion properties from xfce :(
[07:15] <Bandit> :)
[07:15] <nanomad> me too (i'm back)
[07:15] <vincent_> why do you want to run gnome-session-properties ?
[07:15] <vincent_> it's gnome-sound-properties
[07:15] <nanomad> it crashes (tryed now...)
[07:15] <chrissturm> vincent_: gnome-sound properties doesnt run too
[07:16] <vincent_> uh ?
[07:16] <vincent_> it works at home. sorry guys :)
[07:16] <thoreauputic> chrissturm: you seem to be missing a hyphen there...
[07:16] <chrissturm> thoreaputic: but only here :)
[07:17] <nanomad> there must be a conf file somewhere for esd...
[07:17] <vincent_> man gconf
[07:17] <nanomad> yhea!
[07:17] <thoreauputic> *grin* sudo apt-get remove --purge esd
[07:18] <ulisse> hi channel
[07:18] <njan> thoreauputic, what a delightful command.
[07:18] <njan> :)
[07:18] <ulisse> i have an emergency, help me please!
[07:18] <tritium> crimsun, I'm back now.
[07:18] <thoreauputic> no such package, unfortunately :(
[07:18] <njan> ulisse, ask your question / describe your problem
[07:18] <dr_willis> hmm
[07:18] <tritium> Any new developments on the polypaudio issue?
[07:18] <ulisse> I cannot login to gnome, it says that the session lasts less than 10 s
[07:18] <nanomad> another one :)
[07:18] <ulisse> it is not due to .ICEauthorithy
[07:19] <dr_willis> try a different window manager
[07:19] <thoreauputic> ulisse: welcome to the queue
[07:19] <nanomad> ulisse: welcome to the club...
[07:19] <ulisse> Is it a common issue?
[07:19] <nanomad> ya
[07:19] <ulisse> PPHHEEEOOOW.... i feel better now...
[07:19] <thoreauputic> ulisse: it has monopolised conversation here for some time...
[07:20] <ulisse> i tought i messed up my system...
[07:20] <ulisse> so we only have to wait for an update?
[07:20] <thoreauputic> well, you  did, but it wasn't your fault ;)
[07:20] <nanomad> or u can try do solve the problem by yourself...
[07:21] <chrissturm> the strange thing is that i am running polypaudio.
[07:21] <ulisse> i am almost a newbie...
[07:21] <ulisse> or better, i know exactly how to mess up a system, but i'm unable to solve this...
[07:21] <rapha> Hi all!
[07:22] <nanomad> as I know its a esd problem
[07:22] <stuNNed> hi rapha
[07:22] <nanomad> Hi
[07:22] <ulisse> ehm... what is ESD? :-P
[07:22] <rapha> I just installed the latest Ubuntu Hoary build (daily image), and it installed fine. Now, however, GNOME doesn't come up. When I start gnome-session from a terminal, this is what happens:
[07:22] <rapha> rapha@proactivity:~$ gnome-session
[07:22] <rapha> SESSION_MANAGER=local/proactivity:/tmp/.ICE-unix/6972
[07:22] <rapha> rapha@proactivity:~$
[07:22] <tritium> ulisse, sound server
[07:23] <nanomad> another one :)
[07:23] <rapha> Could somebody point me to a solution for this problem?
[07:23] <ulisse> welcome rapha
[07:23] <Rocha> hello, do you know the name of the package that has the svn client?
[07:23] <tritium> nanomad, another what?
[07:23] <Rocha> I can't find it! :/
[07:23] <dr_willis> lol
[07:23] <ulisse> you're not alone
[07:23] <paolo> Hi guys! My ubuntu pc makes something strange: Nautilus can't delete to trash the files of a vfat mounted partition. Note that I can delete them in a terminal, but not in Nautilus. Is there a reason?
[07:23] <dr_willis> should i be ashamed that i  normally use "windowmaker"  under Ubuntu? :P
[07:23] <Amaranth> Yes. :P
[07:24] <tritium> jdub, I had to leave shortly after our "10 clients" discussion.  Any new developments?
[07:24] <lapo> ulisse, maybe I know you, am I right?
[07:24] <jdub> tritium: not wrt that yet
[07:24] <ulisse> Lapo, yes, I think...
[07:24] <dr_willis> lol. getting rdy to test out the PPC version on my imac. :p
[07:24] <thoreauputic> dr_willis: heretic!
[07:24] <kakalto> what is a media player that supports *.asx music streaming?
[07:24] <thoreauputic> dr_willis: you should be using fluxbox like me ;)
[07:24] <ulisse> lapo, if you are "bat"...
[07:24] <Rocha> fluxbox sucks
[07:24] <tritium> jdub, okay.  I'll try to help.  If there's anything i can do, let me know.
[07:25] <lapo> ulisse, di solito
[07:25] <haggai> spiral: yes, I already tried twice to update them.  http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/o/openoffice.org2/1.9.76-0ubuntu2/
[07:25] <kakalto> anyone know?
[07:26] <Rocha> thoreauputic, :D
[07:26] <binks> hi all
[07:26] <Rocha> thoreauputic, you missed me
[07:26] <H0lyD4wg> how do i make Gnome use another window manager?
[07:26] <Bandit> tritium after the last update i made on hoary today i get this message when attempting to log into gnome   your session only lasted 10 seconds
[07:26] <kent> is there some issues with gnome in Hoary now?
[07:26] <thoreauputic> Rocha: evidently everyone who tried to toss you a manual missed...
[07:26] <thoreauputic> ;)
[07:26] <kakalto> Rocha, then get up off your ass and collect the damn manual :P
[07:26] <thoreauputic> hehe
[07:26] <tritium> Bandit, I believe there's a esound bug related to that.
[07:27] <binks> im just running fglrxconfig and one of the options is do u want  xfree86-dga (y/n)?
[07:27] <Bandit> and by the way welcome back :)
[07:27] <tritium> Bandit, and I think a fix is in the works already.
[07:27] <tritium> Bandit, thanks for noticing :)
[07:27] <Bandit> ah ok perfect thanks
[07:27] <vixus> Hi all.
[07:27] <binks> what is this do i need it i have a ati9600 xtd
[07:27] <stuNNed> binks: default is (n) right?
[07:27] <vixus> In OOo Draw, can I radially copy something? (Like the hour marks for a clock face)
[07:27] <binks> yes n default
[07:27] <Rocha> thoreauputic, nop, the first one didn't miss, that's why i don't use windows.
[07:27] <stuNNed> then that should be ok
[07:27] <thoreauputic> Rocha: :D
[07:28] <stuNNed> binks: checked in #ati?
[07:28] <aadil> greetings
[07:28] <binks> ok its just when i open a new window its always too big for the screen
[07:28] <stuNNed> hi aadil
[07:28] <aadil> hello stuNNed
[07:28] <stuNNed> binks: don't think that has to do with dga afaik
[07:28] <spiral> haggai: all right, I download them... But do you know if they'll be integrated in the official servers as the old one was ?
[07:28] <binks> also i loose my mouse in enemy territory so i cant play
[07:28] <vixus> It's just, #OO.o seems dead.
[07:29] <haggai> spiral: eh?
[07:29] <spiral> haggai: why are them called "*failled" ?
[07:29] <stuNNed> binks: again, have you checked in #ati?
[07:29] <binks> cheers stunned will try #ati
[07:29] <ulisse> lapo, any solution to my (our) problem?
[07:29] <haggai> spiral: those are failed builds
[07:29] <binks> :) thanks
[07:29] <Slant> Has anyone just freshly dist-upgraded and lost the ability to run any gnome programs for more than a second?
[07:29] <spiral> haggai: all right..; So not usable...
[07:29] <stuNNed> binks: yw :)
[07:29] <lapo> ulisse, which one?
[07:29] <haggai> spiral: exactly.  That's why they're not updated yet
[07:29] <Slant> I'm talking about in Hoary.
[07:29] <ulisse> lapo, the gnome session issue
[07:29] <lapo> ulisse, gnome-session hangs on startup?
[07:30] <ulisse> yep
[07:30] <lapo> ulisse, try to kill ganim
[07:30] <spiral> haggai: do you know whether they can be fixed ?
[07:30] <lapo> ulisse, and/or comment anything not needed in /etc/fstab
[07:30] <ulisse> lapo, i'll try and be back ;-)
[07:30] <zenrox> hmmm i just got a nifty error when i started gnome
[07:31] <Slant> zenrox: As did I.
[07:31] <ulisse> ganim, you said? or gamin?
[07:31] <zenrox> "session lasted 10 secs"
[07:31] <Slant> zenrox: No GNOME program can run for more than a second.
[07:31] <zenrox> unable to load .ICEauthorty file
[07:31] <stuNNed> how does gamin work well with nfs?
[07:31] <Slant> I logged in a failsafe session and tried other programs.
[07:31] <fabbione> esound is broken!
[07:31] <fabbione> please hold on
[07:31] <thoreauputic> Rocha: http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/dil-unix.gif  ;)
[07:31] <haggai> spiral: I know what the i386/powerpc problems are but amd64 is more complicated
[07:31] <fabbione> downgrade libesd if you know how to do that
[07:31] <zenrox> Slant: how do we fix this
[07:32] <tritium> haggai, what are the plans for openoffice.org2's database software?
[07:32] <fabbione> otherwise just wait a little bit to upgrade
[07:32] <Rocha> thoreauputic, ROTFL
[07:32] <Slant> zenrox: I wish I had a clue. That's why I came in here.
[07:32] <lapo> ulisse, the fam thingy
[07:32] <zenrox> lol
[07:32] <thoreauputic> Rocha: it's an oldie but goodie :)
[07:32] <Slant> The softare is segfaulting, and then the segfault is being caught.
[07:32] <Slant> strace indicates that.
[07:32] <haggai> tritium: its included already, except for the java bits
[07:32] <spiral> haggai: all right... Does this mean that as long as the amd64 isn't done, none of them will be released ?
[07:33] <tritium> haggai, oh?  Is that a recent addition?
[07:33] <chrissturm> shouldnt i find a "enable esd" flag in some gconf xml file?
[07:33] <spiral> haggai: on debian.org, I saw that they recommended a 32bits chroot for openoffice & things like that... quite astonishing
[07:33] <Slant> fabbione: It's hard to downgrade when you can't check the archives for the version because everything is broken.
[07:33] <Slant> fabbione: Assuming you were referring to the GNOME issue?
[07:34] <fabbione> Slant: it's not a GNOME error. but the result is gnome not starting
[07:34] <Slant> What actually is the error?
[07:34] <Nire-work> ok so whats up with this horay version of ubuntu?
[07:34] <fabbione> lftp http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/esound/
[07:34] <zenrox> so remove esd and that should fix it fabbione
[07:34] <ulisse> lapo, gamin is not running
[07:34] <thenuke> Nire-work: it's unstable version, don't try it
[07:34] <thoreauputic> Nire-work: it's *down* at the moment ;)
[07:34] <Nire-work> ah
[07:35] <Nire-work> well
[07:35] <fabbione> mget *0.2.35-2_*
[07:35] <fabbione> and install the 3 debs you need
[07:35] <lapo> ulisse, I don't have the ubuntu machine at hand, I don't remember exavtly how we managed to fix that
[07:35] <spiral> thoreauputic: hoary broken ?
[07:35] <fabbione> esound-common
[07:35] <fabbione> libesd
[07:35] <fabbione> and esound
[07:35] <fabbione> that's all you need
[07:35] <Nire-work> I need a ppc version that I dont have to run some goofy command on to get booted, and has xorg, and wishful thinking, xfce 4.2
[07:35] <thoreauputic> spiral: esound problem
[07:35] <zenrox> ok fabbione
[07:35] <jc-denton> hi all
[07:35] <spiral> thoreauputic: ah maybe... I use kde & a mix with debian sid...
[07:35] <jc-denton> i'm testing the ubuntu life cd
[07:35] <rapha> Doesn't anybody use today's Hoary?
[07:35] <jc-denton> but i got a few problemes with it..
[07:36] <jc-denton> first
[07:36] <scotth> hey, is there any known brokenness in hoary right now?
[07:36] <Slant> fabbione: Thanks.
[07:36] <spiral> jc-denton: stop playing deus ex :-p
[07:36] <scotth> rapha, yeah... gnome is pissed... specifically gconfd
[07:36] <jc-denton> if i want to load everything in the ram it freezes on my laptop with 512mb
[07:36] <thoreauputic> Nire-work: can I offer you a moon with that order?
[07:36] <jc-denton> i dont do at the mom
[07:36] <spiral> jc-denton: maybe you've been traumatised :-p
[07:36] <jc-denton> it freezes with kernel panic, sayin that there is not enough memory
[07:36] <jc-denton> and second problem
[07:36] <gobgo1> hello, i'm trying to install the warty version of ubuntu on a laptop, but it fails installing the base system, i don't have any floppy drive and i've got the following message: FATAL: Error inserting floppy (/lib/modules/blablabla/floppy.ko), anyone can help please?
[07:37] <Nire-work> well i asked yesterday about getting xorg and someone told me get horay
[07:37] <Nire-work> so now here i am again, and you are telling me its broken, which is fine
[07:37] <rapha> scotth, will that fix itself anytime soon through dist-upgrade?
[07:37] <thoreauputic> Nire-work: temporarily
[07:37] <jc-denton> i cannot use the radeon module as described in the help menu and i can also not set the resolution to anything other then 1024
[07:37] <Nire-work> I can go back to warty and i can get it to boot with the goofy fix
[07:37] <zenrox> fabbione:  whats the apt-get command to get it to install the older version
[07:37] <Nire-work> but that brings me back to my first question, how do I upgrade it to xorg, and get xfce 4.2 on it?
[07:37] <scotth> rapha, my friend right now is dist-upgrading every few minutes... to try... but we have no clue
[07:38] <fabbione> zenrox: what i wrote before. there is no apt command
[07:38] <fabbione> you need to use dpkg
[07:38] <fabbione> or aptitude from console
[07:38] <zenrox> ok
[07:38] <thoreauputic> Nire-work: well, you could install a whole bunch of dev packages and get compiling, I guess
[07:38] <rapha> Ubuntu developers do you HEAR us? Can the community get a first-hand response?
[07:38] <Nire-work> or actually, now that i have horay installed, if it gets fixed, is there a way i can update the current install so i dont have to do a while fresh install?
[07:39] <Nire-work> the machine is a spare, just using it to try out ubuntu heh
[07:39] <kakalto> Rocha, then get up off your ass and collect the damn manual :P
[07:39] <kakalto> woops
[07:39] <kakalto> what is a media player that supports *.asx music streaming?
[07:39] <rapha> Nire-work, that's simple.
[07:39] <jc-denton> how do i get a working live cd?
[07:39] <jc-denton> :D
[07:39] <Rocha> kakalto, i'm coding now, i don't have time for that :P
[07:39] <thoreauputic> Nire-work: seriously, you could compile your own packages if you have the time and patience - and use checkinstall to make debs or whatever
[07:40] <legion> i'm new to any linux system,my mate gave me ubuntu,i am trying to istall mplayer or a equivlent,can anyone help?
[07:40] <Echylo> legion
[07:40] <kakalto> Rocha, sorry, I was pushing up, and didn't realise I had said anything after asking the question :P
[07:40] <thoreauputic> Nire-work: or maybe there's a PPC Gentoo version that has what you want?
[07:40] <legion> yes
[07:40] <Nire-work> yeh well gentoo takes forever to install
[07:40] <Echylo> click on computer, computer configuration, synaptic package manager
[07:40] <lonewolff> if i change the sources.list to say horay where it says warty and do dist-upgrade will that update ubuntu to hoary?
[07:40] <kakalto> maybe if I ask a more direct question...
[07:40] <Rocha> kakalto, ok
[07:40] <Nire-work> and that defeats the purpose of trying out ubuntu
[07:41] <kakalto> Sorry 'bout that :)
[07:41] <Echylo> you need to give password of your account
[07:41] <thoreauputic> legion: search for "restricted formats" on ubuntulinux.org
[07:41] <tritium> haggai, sorry, but which package provides the new oo.org database standalone app?
[07:41] <scotth> DO NOT DISTUPGRADE TO HOARY RIGHT NOW, ITS BROKEN
[07:41] <thoreauputic> Nire-work: true
[07:41] <legion> ok
[07:41] <haggai> spiral: the pkg will be uploaded as soon as it builds on that architecture.  The 64 bit chroot bit is because it isn't 64 bit clean yet
[07:41] <haggai> tritium: openoffice.org-core
[07:41] <kakalto> does bmp support *.asx streaming audio?
[07:42] <haggai> tritium: openoffice.org2-core sorry
[07:42] <tritium> haggai, so it has no .desktop entry...
[07:42] <jc-denton> does nobody here use the live cd?
[07:42] <haggai> tritium: that's right.  There is one in the new (failed to build) packages
[07:42] <Echylo> how you activate root account again?
[07:43] <haggai> Echylo: sudo -s
[07:43] <amphigory> Can anyone suggest how I might go about installing hoary to a RAID1 setup?  My issues is that, no matter what I do, the installer insists that there are no partitions configured as "RAID autodetect"
[07:43] <Echylo> thanks
[07:43] <tritium> haggai, thanks :)
[07:44] <nanomad> I'm back. Any news for the Gnome thing?
[07:44] <bumperland> how do i get streaming audio to work on warty ? as on shoutcast
[07:45] <brushhead> hi does anyone know about iwconfig?
[07:45] <spiral> haggai: so did this mean "not until amd64 compliant" or "will be released asap for i386, with or without amd64 compliance"... Sorry
[07:45] <tritium> brushhead, what about it?
[07:46] <haggai> spiral: i386 will enter the archive as soon as it is ready, amd64 will enter later
[07:46] <zeR> how can i get into the partitioning program that appears in the installation?
[07:46] <brushhead> i'm trying to get my USR2210 wifi card working
[07:46] <hitu> hey can someone try and send me a file
[07:46] <brushhead> but i'm confused about the access opint name
[07:46] <hitu> i wanna check if my dcc works
[07:46] <brushhead> is it the macc address of the ap or what?
[07:47] <seb128> tritium: thanks :)
[07:47] <tritium> seb128, thank you :)
[07:48] <binks> ho do i install xorg into warty anyone got a lnk
[07:49] <Rocha> Change the repositiories from warty to hoary
[07:49] <kent> have any one else got problems with gnome in Hoary now? I have issues with session or something.
[07:49] <Bandit> kent yep a few of us
[07:49] <kokey> who knows about the error with gnome in hoary?
[07:49] <binks> im new to linux is it wise updating to hoary
[07:49] <Bandit> kentjust be patient
[07:49] <thoreauputic> binks: no
[07:49] <nanomad> binks: DON'T DISTUPGRADE FOR NOW AS GNOME IS BROKEN
[07:49] <kokey> Bandit hehehe.. ok...
[07:50] <binks> ok i just want to xorg can i se it in warty
[07:50] <thoreauputic> binks: "new to linux" and "Hoary" should not appear in the same sentence...
[07:50] <gobgo1> :)
[07:50] <hitu> lol thoreauputic
[07:50] <kakorna> Hi, i have a question - what can be wrong if the computer stops at 'Preconfiguring packages...' when im doing 'apt-get install xserver-xfree86', its a 3.2ghz so it should work fine - ive tried both warty and hoary - the CD works fine on my laptop, any sugguestions?
[07:50] <nanomad> lol
[07:50] <binks> i no i just want xorg can i use it in warty
[07:50] <kokey> maybe someone can put about this error something in the topic ;-)
[07:50] <zeR> i get "you may have run out of disk space" when i want to install ubuntu (at copying files to hd). Any ideas?!?
[07:50] <thoreauputic> binks: unless you have masochistic tendencies...
[07:51] <binks> no i cant even play enemy territory in warty yet
[07:51] <kent> Bandit, im patient. Just wanted to know  if its me or Hoary.  Im as happy as can be right now actually, i got my brothers Lexmark printer to work in linux. :)
[07:51] <Bandit> kent perfect
[07:51] <nanomad> binks: for et just disable esd
[07:51] <nanomad> it works :)
[07:52] <binks> ed
[07:52] <binks> esd ?
[07:52] <nanomad> gnome sound manger
[07:52] <sri> has anybody getting problems with gnome-session crashing on hoary?
[07:52] <sri> s/has/is/
[07:52] <evarlast> *cough* enlightenment sound daemon
[07:52] <kent> sri, yes.
[07:52] <nanomad> error: the sound server of gnome
[07:52] <binks> ok how
[07:52] <sri> kent: have you been able to fix it?
[07:53] <kent> sri, now. But just wait, they will fix it when they can..
[07:53] <nanomad> binks: disable it so it won't start on login
[07:53] <sri> kent: ok.
[07:53] <tritium> s/a/an
[07:53] <kent> sri, Im using irc from the terminal with Bitchx instead of Gnome until they fix it :)
[07:53] <sri> kent: hopefully soon. :-)  fluxbox is not as nice as GNOME is :)
[07:53] <thoreauputic> nanomad: everlast was right
[07:54] <sri> kent: as long as someone is working on it.
[07:54] <sri> kent: thanks for the info
[07:54] <thoreauputic> sri: I disagree - I prefer Fluxbox :)
[07:54] <sri> there's one in every crowd :P
[07:54] <Bandit> i am working on it just dont know what I am doing
[07:54] <thoreauputic> sri: do you have the latest version?
[07:55] <sri> thoreauputic: whatever is i in hoary
[07:55] <thoreauputic> sri:  0.9.12 is current, and very nice with the rightthemes and transparency etc
[07:56] <thoreauputic> sri: I'm guessing Hoary is still using 1.14.something, but I may be wrong
[07:56] <sri> thoreauputic: version number changed?
[07:56] <tritium> Bandit, what are you working on?
[07:56] <sri> 1.14 is greater than 0.9.12 :-)\
[07:57] <Bandit> tritium not being a smartass :)
[07:57] <tritium> Bandit, heh
[07:57] <thoreauputic> sri: no, the "stable" branch just hasn't been updated for ages - the ones to get are the development versions O.9.*
[07:57] <thoreauputic> http://fluxbox.org
[07:58] <Hannes_>    svn checkout<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:58] <Hannes_> no...
[07:58] <thoreauputic> sri: I agree the numbers are counter-intuitive
[07:59] <zenrox> fabbione: i cant for the life of me get aptitude you use the older esound files
[07:59] <jesuel> ooo, im getting fios...!
[08:00] <jesuel> mmm i actually love verizon today ;p
[08:00] <zenrox> lol vz sucks
[08:00] <zenrox> lol
[08:00] <jesuel> 30mbit download/5mbit upload is nice :)
[08:00] <zenrox> lickey you 768k in 128k out
[08:01] <jesuel> course im not getting that package, im getting the 15mbit down/2mbit upload package
[08:01] <jesuel> 49.95 a month :)
[08:02] <lonewolff> wow i pay 350gbp/month for 4mbit up/down
[08:03] <thoreauputic> sri: actually I just checked: the stable version of flux is 0.1.14
[08:03] <jesuel> yeah i been paying 21.95 for 3mbit down/384k up from my isp currently, but 15down/2up for 50. Fine with me
[08:03] <evarlast> where are you?
[08:04] <evarlast> I want that! ;)
[08:04] <jesuel> the 15down/2up will be in keller, texas
[08:04] <thoreauputic> so 0.9.*  *is* in fact >  0.1.14  ;)
[08:04] <Nisse> Hello?
[08:05] <tolstoy> so, is it the sound daemon that's crashing gnome in today's hoary updates?
[08:05] <zenrox> tolstoy: yep
[08:07] <tolstoy> ah, saw the forum posting.  libesd, or something.
[08:07] <jdub> tolstoy: upgrade on the way, or you can downgrade temporarily
[08:08] <zenrox> ill just wate for the upgrade
[08:08] <Nisse> Hate to ask, but i have had linux for 2 hours now, and i finally getting somewhere.. I want to compile something from terminal, but it gives me the error: configure: error: "no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH" What and how and when? Feel so lost.. Ok, i know, im lame..
[08:08] <zenrox> casue i cant get it to downgrade
[08:08] <tolstoy> Nisse, isn't there a development package you have to apt-get?  Forgot the name of it.
[08:08] <tolstoy> development-essentials, or something.
[08:09] <Nisse> apr-get?
[08:09] <tolstoy> Nisse, I don't think ubuntu has devel tools installed by default.
[08:09] <zenrox> Nisse:  do a sudo apt-get install essentials
[08:09] <jdub> build-essential
[08:09] <zenrox> or something liek that
[08:09] <zenrox> yep jdub is right
[08:10] <thoreauputic> Nisse: to get the compiler do  sudo apt-get install build-essential
[08:10] <zenrox> yep
[08:10] <thoreauputic> ah, too slow ;)
[08:10] <Nisse> Ok, hmm. What do you mean with do sudo apt-get?
[08:10] <Nisse> is that a command?
[08:10] <tolstoy> Nisse, and if your build fails, you might have to install other -dev packages.
[08:10] <Bandit> well lets see if that will bring up SiRrUs
[08:10] <thoreauputic> Nisse: suggest you read the FAQ on ubuntulinux.org
[08:11] <tolstoy> wooo wooo gnome be back!
[08:11] <Nisse> Thor, yepp... =)
[08:11] <Cutman> I cant boot the Ubuntu Live CD...whats wrong?
[08:11] <thoreauputic> Nisse: and read about the package manager synaptic (easier to use)
[08:12] <thoreauputic> Nisse: also you might want to enable more repositories in the package manager
[08:12] <Nisse> Ok, this is to much. Maybe linux is nt my thing..
[08:12] <SiRrUs> lol i am back
[08:12] <Cutman> When I use the Live CD....will I get to choose between Ubuntu and Windows at startup?
[08:13] <SiRrUs> damm didnt have to reinstall grrrrrrrr  but thanks for the fix
[08:13] <thoreauputic> Nisse: no, synaptic is really easy to use - just do a bit of reading
[08:13] <thoreauputic> Nisse: it is quite magical in fact
[08:14] <sri> kent: it's fixed now
[08:14] <sri> kent: esound was borked
[08:14] <Bandit> yep it is
[08:14] <thoreauputic> Nisse: where did you disappear to?
[08:14] <thoreauputic> Nisse: try again if you wish
[08:14] <Nisse> God knows, soz..shrugh. =)
[08:14] <sri> kent: for some reason I was using esound instead of polypaudio (removed esound and brought back polypaudio)
[08:15] <thoreauputic> Nisse: it's better to keep it in channel so others can help or learn :)
[08:15] <Nisse> Ok. =)
[08:15] <sri> thoreauputic: okay, cool. :)
[08:15] <sri> thoreauputic: I need to turn on that antialias option in fluxbox, thats cool.
[08:15] <thoreauputic> Nisse: if you read a bit on the ubuntu site, you will get the hang of it - use the search functions
[08:16] <Cutman> Do I have to enter the BIOS when I'm going to boot from the CD?
[08:16] <Nisse> Ok, what i need is a dev-"kit" for ubuntu, becouse it doesnt come in the distro?
[08:16] <thoreauputic> sri: yes, also there's an alpha option that gives you transparent menus etc
[08:16] <thoreauputic> Nisse: what are you wanting to install?
[08:16] <tsjubu> are the gnome loggin prob fix alreay?
[08:17] <thoreauputic> Nisse: most apps are available without compiling
[08:17] <Akiyuki> Are X and gnome packaged with i386.iso or are those installed via apt-get?
[08:17] <seacyd> Hi, my microphone is not working. Mixer is on, Audacity complains Audio-E/A-Layer could not be initialized
[08:17] <Nisse> gdesklets and xmms
[08:17] <thoreauputic> Nisse: you just need to open the package manager and enable universe in the repositories (it's just a check box)
[08:18] <kent> sri, did it work after you upgraded?
[08:18] <Akiyuki> Are X and gnome packaged with i386.iso or are those installed via apt-get?
[08:18] <thoreauputic> Nisse: then update with the refresh/reload button, and browse or search for xmms and gdesklets
[08:18] <zenrox> hmm still dont work with me
[08:18] <Nisse> One thing at a time. Im swedish, my linux is in swedish. Package manager?
[08:19] <thoreauputic> Nisse: it's the application that installs things for you
[08:19] <zenrox> gnome still wont load
[08:19] <Nisse> Ok, and that app is called packade manager.
[08:19] <Akiyuki> zenrox: When you installed ubuntu did it install X and gnome for you? Or did it have to go and download those later?
[08:20] <Bandit> zenrox did you update just now
[08:20] <zenrox> Bandit:  yes
[08:20] <thoreauputic> Nisse: yes - it's also nicknamed "Synaptic" - but you don't need to know that ;)
[08:20] <zenrox> Akiyuki:  it installed gnome at install
[08:20] <Rocha> What is the ubuntu hoary deb-src repository?
[08:20] <dredg> thoreauputic: wow, a statement that might have come from apple :)
[08:20] <Akiyuki> That's what I was wondering. I didn't know if it only installs the base files, and then connects to the internet to get the rest of it?
[08:21] <Bandit> zenrox worked good for me
[08:21] <zenrox> Akiyuki: it sonnect to inet and get the rest
[08:21] <thoreauputic> dredg: heh - and I was going to say apt-cache search && apt-get update && apt-get install xmms ;)
[08:21] <zenrox> Bandit:  iknow i wonder why its not for me
[08:21] <Akiyuki> Well, if you do not have the internet are X and gnome on the iso image?
[08:22] <Bandit> did you apt-get update  and apt-get upgrade
[08:22] <thoreauputic> Aikyes
[08:22] <zenrox> Akiyuki:  yes
[08:22] <thoreauputic> Akiyuki: yes
[08:22] <Bandit> zenrox ?
[08:22] <zenrox> just not the updated gnome
[08:22] <Akiyuki> Thank you, because I do not have an internet connection to the machine I installing them on.
[08:22] <zenrox> ya Bandit
[08:22] <GuBA> hello... in where encounter the folder of cgi-bin in my Ubuntu?
[08:22] <seacyd> Microphone is still not working, any help?
[08:23] <Kokey> Bandit, It's working here! great!
[08:23] <Bandit> zenrox you updated and upgraded
[08:23] <Bandit> and for me it is as well
[08:23] <thoreauputic> GuBA: you won't, unless you install apache and various other bits and pieces
[08:23] <zenrox> Bandit: yep updated and upgraded gnome will not load (casue of the esound prob)
[08:23] <Bandit> zenrox the problems been fixed
[08:24] <froust> I want to set up a secure (no username/password in clear text) ftp server at home - can anyone point me to a howto?
[08:24] <zenrox> Bandit:  its not worken
[08:24] <zenrox> dont know why
[08:24] <lonewolff> is it safe to dist-upgrade hoary now then?
[08:24] <thoreauputic> froust: why not use ssh? you can use scp and sftp with it for security
[08:25] <Bandit> zenrox how long ago did you upgrade
[08:25] <froust> thoreauputic: i don't know how to set that up... i'm connecting from a windows box
[08:25] <thoreauputic> froust: ssh is installed by default
[08:25] <zenrox> Bandit:  i have bine running the update every min for the last 10 mins
[08:25] <thoreauputic> froust: use putty on windows
[08:25] <froust> i have an ssh client, but i don't know how to do ftp over ssh
[08:26] <zenrox> Bandit:  and the upgrade too
[08:26] <Bandit> zenrox maybe you need to update your sources
[08:26] <zenrox> Bandit:  dont think thats the prob
[08:26] <zenrox> i have updated my sources
[08:27] <zenrox> 1 millon time
[08:27] <Bandit> zenrox ok thought it might be cause there are a few of us that have been fixed in the last 10 mins
[08:27] <thoreauputic> froust: starting point -> http://www.google.com.au/search?q=sftp+howto&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official
[08:28] <zenrox> Bandit:  i know thats why i am frustrated
[08:28] <thoreauputic> froust: or  http://pigtail.net/LRP/printsrv/cygwin-sshd.html
[08:28] <bruno> hey
[08:28] <froust> thoreauputic: if i had had any luck with google, i wouldn't be asking
[08:28] <Bandit> zenrox try a dist-upgrade
[08:29] <zenrox> have no go
[08:29] <bruno> i have a screen related problem
[08:29] <thoreauputic> froust: not to be rude, but there is a huge number of googlable howtos on this subject
[08:29] <bruno> i changed screens, and when ubuntu boots, i see all the start up details flashing by
[08:30] <bruno> but when x should start, the screen goes in standby
[08:30] <bruno> anyone know why this is happening?
[08:30] <froust> thoreauputic: i know that. i've been using linux for a month, and i don't quite understand what it's saying.
[08:30] <zenrox> Bandit:  nothen still broke
[08:30] <thoreauputic> froust:  http://www.openssh.com/windows.html
[08:30] <thoreauputic> windows related + putty
[08:31] <Bandit> zenrox then you need your sources updated
[08:31] <tritium> thanks for the fixes, jdub
[08:31] <zenrox> Bandit: apt-get update
[08:31] <zenrox> then
[08:31] <zenrox> i do a apt-get upgrade
[08:31] <zenrox> and then thare is nothen to update
[08:31] <Kokey> zenrox, apt-get -u dist-upgrade
[08:31] <froust> thoreauputic: i can get the client side working fine
[08:32] <froust> that's a no brainer, i just don't know how to set up my linux box to be the server.
[08:32] <Bandit> no need for the -u
[08:32] <zenrox> Kokey:  nothen
[08:32] <thoreauputic> froust: the server is linux, right?
[08:32] <thoreauputic> ah sorry
[08:32] <froust> yes.
[08:32] <froust> i was using vsftpd
[08:32] <zenrox> Bandit:  it might be all ready installed but not worken
[08:32] <froust> until i found out that it transmits in clear text
[08:33] <Bandit> zenrox if it were there it would fix your problem
[08:33] <zenrox> hmmm
[08:33] <zenrox> well i dont know then
[08:33] <Diegote> Hi all
[08:34] <thoreauputic> froust: once you ahve ssh running on the linux box (which it does by default I believe), you just need to open port 22 and login, as far as I know, using the instructions for putty.
[08:34] <zenrox> maby a format and install then upgrade back to hoary will fix it but i dont want to do that
[08:34] <Ubupimp> If my cdrom is not able to boot at startup, is there a floppy image that can boot the cdrom?
[08:34] <krism> thoreauputic : ubuntu doesnt install sshd by default.
[08:34] <krism> thoreauputic : iirc, it's openssh-server
[08:34] <froust> so it uses a normal ftp server, but does it through an ssh tunnel?
[08:34] <tritium> zenrox, maybe your mirror doesn't have the updated packages yet
[08:34] <thoreauputic> krism: hmm.. you're right - you need to pt-get install it
[08:35] <Bandit> tritium i told him that several times
[08:35] <zenrox> tritium:  maby
[08:35] <krism> thoreauputic : do you mean 'pwn3d-get install it'? :)
[08:35] <Ubupimp> If my cdrom is not able to boot at startup, is there a floppy image that can boot the cdrom?
[08:35] <thoreauputic> krism: hehe
[08:35] <bruno> can anyone help me with a display related problem?
[08:35] <froust> so i don't need to set up anything special on my linux box, i just need to tweak putty?
[08:35] <tritium> Bandit, sorry...
[08:36] <tritium> Bandit, I'm distracted here
[08:36] <thoreauputic> krism: here I just did an apt-get install ssh I believe - it seems to be all that's needed
[08:36] <thoreauputic> krism: sshd isn't a separate package
[08:36] <Diegote> I would like to build a customized hoary-live, but I have Debian sid installed, not Ubuntu. In the wiki it says I should use an ubuntu kernel. Do I really have to install Ubuntu?
[08:36] <froust> that's where i get lost.
[08:36] <Ubupimp> ARE THERE ANY BOOT IMAGES TO BOOT FROM FLOPPY IF CDROM DOESNT BOOT BY ITSSELF?
[08:37] <tritium> shhh...
[08:37] <sege> hmm
[08:37] <sege> i just went blind
[08:37] <bruno> lol
[08:37] <Ubupimp> Does anyone know?
[08:37] <thoreauputic> krism: apt-cache show ssh says >> Description: Secure shell client and server
[08:38] <bruno> can anyone help me with a display related problem?
[08:38] <thoreauputic> Ubupimp: well, we certainly *heard* you :/
[08:38] <tritium> that's because ssh depends on openssh-client and openssh-server
[08:38] <zenrox> now its just got added to the sources
[08:39] <thoreauputic> tritium: yup
[08:39] <tritium> thoreauputic, :)
[08:39] <zenrox> but nothen to upgade
[08:39] <zenrox> hmmm
[08:39] <H0lyD4wg> Ubupimp, install this : http://btmgr.webframe.org/index.php3?body=download.html on your floppy. once you boot it from the floppy it'll give you an option to boot from CD even if your BIOS doesn't support it.
[08:39] <tritium> zenrox, patience
[08:39] <tritium> bruno, what kind of problem
[08:39] <zenrox> tritium:  i dont have any of thoes
[08:39] <zenrox> lol
[08:39] <Ubupimp> Thanks H0lyD4wg
[08:39] <bruno> i changed screens, and when ubuntu boots, i see all the start up details flashing by
[08:39] <bruno> but when x should start, the screen goes in standby
[08:40] <froust> thoreauputic: thanks for the help
[08:40] <bruno> how do i set the configuration for the new screen?
[08:41] <H0lyD4wg> So, how do i make Gnome use Openbox for window-management instead of Metacity?
[08:41] <Nisse> thoreauputic: Ok, found the program, clicked a boit and now its downloadin stuff. Is the program gettin needed files?
[08:41] <tritium> bruno, by screen, you mean monitor?
[08:42] <bruno> yes
[08:42] <thoreauputic> Nisse: umm.. sorry my clairvoyant isn't available to answer that one ;)
[08:42] <tritium> bruno, goes to standby...I've only seen that happen on Windows.
[08:43] <Nisse> thoreauputic: Ha, ha, ok.. =)
[08:43] <thoreauputic> Nisse: it rather depends what you clicked :)
[08:43] <tritium> bruno, you're running Warty or Hoary?
[08:43] <bruno> tritium: well, the monitor goes blank :)
[08:43] <bruno> warty
[08:43] <RU63> in hoary it seems like you can't delete any apps without deleting the ubuntu-desktop.... is there a way around this?
[08:43] <Nisse> Well, selected xmms, then the apply button and then apply again.
[08:44] <namaste`> hello. is there any known bug, that when i add any server into xchat / thunderbirds serverlist, i won't be able to ping it no more?
[08:44] <tritium> bruno, did you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86?
[08:44] <RU63> i mean remove
[08:44] <Nisse> thoreauputic: Its dl package files.
[08:44] <thoreauputic> RU63: it's adummy package - losing it won't matter
[08:44] <RU63> thoreauputic: thanks..
[08:44] <tritium> RU63, you can't change the dependencies, but thoreauputic speaks the truth
[08:44] <thoreauputic> Nisse: well, I guess you'll find out if you got it right then :)
[08:45] <Nisse> thoreauputic: Yepp.
[08:45] <thoreauputic> tritium: as a generalisation, that's true :)
[08:45] <Nisse> thoreauputic: Either it works, or ill format and install xp again. =)
[08:46] <thoreauputic> tritium: but all generalisations are dangerous, espaecially this one ;)
[08:46] <tritium> thoreauputic, I'm glad to hear that :)
[08:46] <tritium> heh
[08:46] <zenrox> man i hate wating
[08:46] <thoreauputic> tritium: see above for caveat ;)
[08:46] <tritium> I saw...
[08:46] <tritium> zenrox, what mirror are you using?
[08:47] <RU63> is this bad?  ** (process:11613): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed
[08:47] <bruno> tritium, how do i get a command line? my monitor doesn't do anything here. or do i do something during start up to get a command line?
[08:47] <zenrox> arcive.ubuntu.com
[08:47] <zenrox> tritium:  arcive.ubuntu.com
[08:47] <namaste`> anyone?
[08:47] <namaste`> iptables are empty...
[08:48] <tritium> bruno, do you have another machine you can ssh into your box with?
[08:48] <thoreauputic> bruno: either open a termianl from a right click on the desktop in gnome, or do ctrl-alt-F2 and log in in the resultant black hole ;)
[08:48] <thoreauputic> *terminal
[08:48] <tritium> why does everybody like virtual console 2?
[08:48] <zenrox> dont know
[08:49] <tritium> what's so special about 2 relative to 1, or 3-6?
[08:49] <searcher`> k this sucks
[08:49] <bruno> thoreauputic: cool :)
[08:49] <froust> which is the most secure? ftp over ssl/tls, ftp over ssl, sftp over ssh, or ftp over tls?
[08:49] <thoreauputic> tritium: habit - I often startx from tty1 so it's easier
[08:49] <searcher`> i think i just messed up my grub install
[08:49] <zenrox> tritium: 1 is for irc 2= updating
[08:49] <searcher`> now when i reboot i just get the grub shell
[08:49] <tritium> LinuxJones likes v.c. 2 also, I think
[08:49] <searcher`> anyone have any ideas on how to fix this?
[08:49] <tritium> zenrox, heh, okay
[08:49] <bruno> tritium: yes, but i'll try via the command line
[08:49] <searcher`> it would be greatly appreciated
[08:50] <searcher`> (using the new hoary livecd till i can get back into my regular system)
[08:50] <zenrox> tritium:  its still not upgrading the esound packages
[08:50] <tritium> bruno, sorry, I thought your monitor wasn't giving you any kind of display
[08:50] <CarlK> booted in knoppix failsafe, sndconfig says "kernel not modular sound enabled (soundcore.o was not found in the module search path)..."  but I can modprobe soundcore and it loads it
[08:50] <CarlK> any idea how to convence sndconfig that things are as they are?
[08:50] <Nisse> thoreauputic: F#ck, it worked. =)) Many thanks for the help!!
[08:50] <tritium> zenrox, want me to send you the updated packages?
[08:51] <CarlK> or is alsaconfig avlible now?
[08:51] <thoreauputic> Nisse: heh - you're welcome :)
[08:51] <tritium> CarlK, no
[08:51] <zenrox> tritium: how
[08:51] <CarlK> rats... I'll go eat some more... ;)
[08:51] <tritium> CarlK, I don't believe there are any plans to include alsaconf
[08:51] <zenrox> tritium:  just tell me whare to wget them
[08:52] <krism> " for filename in `ls`; do ... $filename; done " works great, except when files in the CWD have a space in thier name.
[08:52] <krism> any ideas?
[08:52] <tritium> zenrox, one moment
[08:52] <dud> enclose the filenames in ""
[08:52] <dud> that was directed at krism btw...
[08:52] <Diegote> krism: do ... "$filename"
[08:53] <CarlK> tritium - im still trying to get sound working on my ESS1878 - is there anything new in the last 6 hours?
[08:53] <bruno> tritium: np.. what video driver do you suggest for a matrox millennium G550 card?
[08:53] <jcoiron> hello there
[08:53] <tritium> zenrox, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/esound/
[08:53] <zenrox> ok
[08:53] <tritium> CarlK, updated esound packages
[08:54] <zenrox> exit
[08:54] <Loevborg> is there a package search tool like packages.debian.org for ubuntu?
[08:54] <evarlast> apt-cache search and apt-file search -- you can do it right on your computer w/out web
[08:54] <tritium> Loevborg, there's always apt-cache search
[08:54] <thoreauputic> rats. Chatzilla for firefox doesn't do /lastlog :?
[08:55] <tritium> bruno, let me check
[08:55] <dud> thoreauputic, why not use xchat for a graphical irc client?
[08:55] <Loevborg> tritium, except when you don't have a working ubuntu box ready..
[08:55] <jcoiron> I would like to test Ubuntu, the latest version is http://mir1.ovh.net/ubuntu/releases/4.10/warty-release-install-i386.iso, right ?
[08:55] <krism> Diegote : i tried that, it still seperates filenames with spaces in them to multiple $file
[08:55] <dud> thats the latest stable yes jcoiron
[08:56] <thoreauputic> dud: I do that as well - I'm trying out the firefox extension, because it's convnient
[08:56] <thoreauputic> convenient
[08:56] <krism> Diegote : e.g. "08-Demon of Love-DJ Markitos-vbr" becomes "08-Demon" "of" "Love-DJ" "Markitos-vbr"
[08:56] <tritium> Loevborg, oh, very true :)
[08:56] <thoreauputic> dud: I have a few irc bookmarks in firefox...
[08:56] <tritium> Loevborg, what distro do you have?
[08:56] <jcoiron> dud: ok thx
[08:56] <tritium> bruno, I think "nv" is what you want
[08:57] <Diegote> krism: lemme think...
[08:57] <GenghisKhan> hello, i need help with rosetta
[08:57] <krism> Diegote : i've also tried for file in "`ls`" ..  which returns the output of `ls` as one giant string. roar! such a silly little problem
[08:58] <Diegote> krism: and for file in `ls` ? ie, without ""?
[08:58] <tritium> bruno, hold that
[08:58] <evarlast> krism: find with -print0 and xargs -0
[08:58] <CarlK> tritium - is the esound update avalible through the normal apt-get?
[08:58] <spiral> haggai: thanks for your answer... I was eating, sorry
[08:58] <krism> Diegote : it'll seperate space-including filenames into multiple $file
[08:58] <krism> evarlast : ill try that real quick
[08:58] <tritium> CarlK, yes, it's in the repos
[08:58] <zenrox> tritium:  nope dint help
[08:59] <krism> evarlast same problem :/
[08:59] <tritium> zenrox, they're there
[08:59] <krism> (i did for file in `find -print0`)
[08:59] <zenrox> yep thare thare
[08:59] <tritium> 0.2.35-2ubuntu2
[08:59] <Bandit> zenrox still having troubles?
[08:59] <zenrox> yep
[08:59] <zenrox> and yep
[08:59] <evarlast> krism: no, it works, I do it all the time.
[08:59] <tritium> zenrox, those are the updates
[08:59] <krism> evarlast : for files with spaces in thier names? because it just didn't work for me.
[08:59] <evarlast> krism: lose the for loop entirely, and use find or find+xargs
[09:00] <zenrox> tritium:  dint work tho
[09:00] <dud> perhaps you could save you some trouble by using either perl, python or even tcl krism :)
[09:00] <evarlast> krism: paste or pastebin your whole line - yes, files with spaces, files with unprintable, it is no matter
[09:00] <krism> evarlast : .. i actually need the loop because i need to modify each file :)
[09:00] <dud> they have some much more sophisticated loops and replaces
[09:00] <evarlast> krism: find does that build in with find -exec.  You don't need the for loop
[09:00] <spiral> esound updated ? fixes the problem ?
[09:01] <zenrox> tritium:  maby the updates dint fix it for my setup
[09:01] <tritium> bruno, mga
[09:01] <krism> evarlast : yeah, i know of -exec, i'd rather just not jam it all onto one line, but here;
[09:01] <krism> for file in `find -print0`; do echo "argh: $file"; done
[09:01] <tritium> zenrox, I don't know.  I haven't logged out, and haven't experienced any troubles yet
[09:01] <Bandit> zenrox you are running hoary
[09:01] <krism> is a quick & dirty example
[09:02] <zenrox> Bandit: yep hoary
[09:02] <zenrox> tritium:  i was thinking maby i shouldent have loged out
[09:02] <Bandit> zenrox sorry was just checking
[09:02] <zenrox> Bandit:  its ok
[09:02] <evarlast> krism: bash's for explicitly uses whitespace as a separator, it does not work with spaced files, PERIOD.  That is why you use find.
[09:02] <tritium> zenrox, I usually don't.  I just hibernate instead of shutting down.
[09:03] <krism> evarlast : rofl
[09:03] <ja5on> exit
[09:03] <zenrox> hmm
[09:03] <CarlK> why is ide-generic listed in ide-generic?  (this is a ide box, so it seems a little late)
[09:03] <krism> evarlast : sorry, but that's a little ridiculous
[09:04] <krism> evarlast : see "IFS" in `man bash` for example
[09:04] <zenrox> bbl to try agine lator
[09:04] <evarlast> krism: good call, I'll try it.
[09:04] <legion> can sum1 help me i am trying to get and install a media player,if you can help,plz pm me (i am new to linux so u will have to slow when explaning things)
[09:05] <krism> legion : what's the problem?
[09:05] <krism> legion : can't play mp3 files?
[09:05] <legion> i can't play mp3 or video,totem is not working
[09:06] <krism> legion : for mp3, do 'apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad' from the command line as root,
[09:06] <krism> legion : as for totem, .. sorry, i havent used it
[09:06] <evarlast> krism: you really hate "exec" huh?
[09:06] <wezzer> just type sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:06] <wezzer> that will do the root thing
[09:06] <thoreauputic> krism, legion , I believe some have had success with totem-xine and the windows codecs
[09:07] <krism> evarlast : ah, it's just messy if you want to do a bunch of different things, e.g. extract id3 info, convert to wav, etcetera
[09:07] <krism> evarlast : OTOH, it's great for smaller commands
[09:07] <thoreauputic> but gstreamer0.8-mad is good for the mp3 thing
[09:07] <krism> evarlast : what i should do is write a script to hunt down and rename all files with spaces in their damned names
[09:08] <evarlast> krism: ls --quoting-style=shell
[09:08] <evarlast> for i in `ls --quoting-style=shell` ; do echo $i ;done
[09:08] <CarlK> krism - but they keep comming, so you are better of learning how to work with them
[09:08] <krism> evarlast : w00t :)
[09:08] <krism> evarlast : thanks :)
[09:08] <evarlast> no prob.  Sorry if I was terse before.
[09:08] <krism> CarlK : yeah, sarcasm :)
[09:08] <krism> evarlast eh, everyone does it.
[09:08] <legion> krism:i tryed what you said and this came up in my command line E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:09] <thoreauputic> legion: you need more repositories
[09:09] <legion> huh?
[09:09] <tritium> legion, it's in universe
[09:09] <thoreauputic> legion: enable universe and multiverse
[09:09] <krism> legion : what thoreauputic said
[09:09] <krism> evarlast lol oh no!
[09:09] <krism> it's doing the same effin things <g>
[09:10] <thoreauputic> legion: look for repositories in synaptic
[09:11] <evarlast> krism: really?  it didn't for me.
[09:11] <thoreauputic> legion:  it's under "Settings"
[09:11] <krism> evarlast : hmm. lemme fight with it more before saying yes for sure :)
[09:11] <thoreauputic> legion: then just tick the boxes
[09:12] <thoreauputic> legion: and don't forget to reload ( update your package sources)
[09:13] <linuxboy> Anyone here use synaptic? I want an answer for something
[09:13] <racoontje|clone> linuxboy, just ask
[09:13] <Bandit> linuxboy does anyone not
[09:13] <thoreauputic> linuxboy: no, nobody uses it ;)
[09:13] <racoontje|clone> Bandit, I don't.
[09:13] <iTheA> Now i have install ubuntu i had not a chance to change the root pass, what should i do to change it?
[09:14] <Bandit> racoontje|clone you dont know what your missing
[09:14] <racoontje|clone> Bandit, I use ports/portage, but that's another matter
[09:14] <Bandit> racoontje|clone same shit different pile ;)
[09:14] <linuxboy> Look at synaptic. Theres a colum called Pakcage and one called S. Whats the one inbetween them?
[09:14] <thoreauputic> Bandit: coming from Debian, I trust apt-get on CLi for most things
[09:14] <racoontje|clone> Bandit, the reason you assume I haven't ever used synaptic is?
[09:14] <Bandit> like i said above
[09:14] <CarlK> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems  - any recomendations on something better?
[09:14] <racoontje|clone> been there, done that, went back to cvs
[09:15] <Bandit> :)
[09:15] <racoontje|clone> or cervisia
[09:15] <racoontje|clone> or darcs
[09:15] <bruno> tritium: the problem persists. i tried mga as well as the vega driver. when i manually startx, my monitor does the same thing (going blank, as in going 'stand by')
[09:15] <evarlast> krism: I had some screwy results when IFS was still set to something nonstandard, I just unset IFS
[09:15] <bruno> tritium: vega = vesa
[09:15] <racoontje|clone> Bandit, I'm one of the few people that can say "I maked it" without raping english.
[09:16] <thoreauputic> linuxboy: at a glance, I think the ubuntu icons show what you have installed, in that column
[09:16] <racoontje|clone> For crying out loud
[09:16] <racoontje|clone> open a terminal
[09:17] <linuxboy> thoreauputic: no. The S colum does that
[09:17] <racoontje|clone> dpkg -l | grep foo
[09:17] <tritium> bruno, your video driver was working before with the different monitor.  I don't think you should change the video driver.
[09:17] <thoreauputic> linuxboy: yeah, my bad - I use apt-get so...
[09:17] <thoreauputic> might be packages in "main" ? just guessing...
[09:18] <racoontje|clone> thoreauputic, what might be packages in main
[09:18] <linuxboy> thoreauputic: nope. I have some security packages and they have the ubuntu sign
[09:18] <bruno> tritium, what do you suggest i should do to get the 'new' monitor working then?
[09:19] <evarlast> krism: tested and got it.
[09:19] <evarlast> krism: ls | while read i ; do ... done
[09:19] <thoreauputic> linuxboy: hmm... I don't know then, sorry
[09:19] <seacyd> Are sound experts here? My MIC is not recording while sound is working.
[09:19] <tritium> bruno, does your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 have VertRefresh and HorizSync settings?
[09:19] <racoontje|clone> seacyd, hang on a sec
[09:19] <racoontje|clone> tritium, don't bother,
[09:19] <tritium> bruno, also, can you run "sudo ddcprobe"?
[09:19] <racoontje|clone> bruno, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:19] <FarmerTed> anybody try to install Hoary on an iMac G5? i can't
[09:19] <cavediver> Hi all. Anyone know how to install Rhytmbox plugin for mp3? It doesn't seem to work. And both mplayer and xmms has gone crazy.
[09:19] <tritium> racoontje|clone, we're beyond that
[09:20] <racoontje|clone> tritium, what's the problem?
[09:20] <racoontje|clone> seacyd, check alsamixer. the channel is muted by default
[09:20] <tritium> racoontje|clone, new monitor goes straight to standby mode
[09:20] <seacyd> racoontje|clone: done, it is unmuted
[09:20] <racoontje|clone> toggle mute is M, then you raise the volume
[09:21] <tritium> racoontje|clone, he's not running xorg, either
[09:21] <tritium> bruno, any edid data from ddcprobe?
[09:21] <seacyd> racoontje|clone: volume is up, audio-recording does not work
[09:21] <thoreauputic> cavediver: I'm not sure the G5 is supported - I have an iBook G4 but I seem to recall reading that G5 is problematic (as you are finding) I may be wrong, however
[09:22] <cavediver> cavediver: wrong nick ;)
[09:22] <racoontje|clone> seacyd, getting absolutely nothing? Not even line noise?
[09:22] <cavediver> oh my
[09:22] <cavediver> :)
[09:22] <bruno> tritium: edidfail it says at the end
[09:22] <cavediver> I'm stupid to.
[09:22] <seacyd> racoontje|clone: No, Audacity complains when starting
[09:22] <tritium> bruno, that may be the problem.
[09:22] <thoreauputic> cavediver: oops sorry - Farmer Ted I meant
[09:22] <racoontje|clone> seacyd, define "complains"
[09:23] <tritium> bruno, with this new monitor, we may have to manually configure refresh rates
[09:23] <seacyd> ...had to translate...error in I/O layer initializing
[09:23] <racoontje|clone> tritium, isn't that what dpkg-reconfigure does too?
[09:23] <cavediver> Anyone else having problems with xmms and mplayer in hoary ?
[09:23] <CarlK> there is /usr/bin/speaker-test
[09:23] <racoontje|clone> dpkg-reconfigure allows you to set horizsync and vertsync afaik.
[09:23] <tritium> racoontje|clone, yes, you can
[09:23] <racoontje|clone> at least it did on debian
[09:23] <FarmerTed> Up until Array-3, I couldn't get past yaboot
[09:23] <krism> evarlast : ah har: "IFS=:" then "for file in `find -printf "%p:"`; do echo "argh: $file"; done"
[09:23] <thoreauputic> cavediver: you have gstreamer0.8-mad installed?