[12:00] <daveon> :-/
[12:00] <Cuga_> asdfv, the first thing ubuntu tells you after install is done, is it explains why their is virtually no root account (there is, but its pretty much disabled everywhere)
[12:00] <kensai> jdz_, yep
[12:01] <daveon> I will only install monodevelop and then I'll comment again the universe sources ...
[12:01] <asdfv> thank you
[12:01] <jpvcx> asdfv: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:01] <Cuga_> asdfv, use sudo whenever you need to do something with 'root' priveleges
[12:01] <jdz_> daveon: You shouldn't recomment them, that will break upgrades.
[12:01] <Cuga_> yeah thats the link i was looking for :)
[12:01] <jdz_> daveon: It's OK to use Universe, just realise that it's "unsupported".
[12:02] <asdfv> the problem is that i want to configure the web because it doesn't work
[12:02] <Cuga_> what is your problem with 'the web' ?
[12:02] <daveon> jdz_, ok
[12:02] <RuffianSoldier> does anyone here know qtparted?
[12:03] <asdfv> i can' connect
[12:03] <asdfv> i've a lan t3 connection (fastweb) but it doesn't work
[12:04] <asdfv> why?
[12:04] <Cuga_> what do you connect to? a gateway? a router? ICS ?
[12:04] <asdfv> it says INACTIVE
[12:04] <Majestic|LinuX> I know qtparted
[12:04] <Majestic|LinuX> but I prefer cfdisk
[12:04] <asdfv> gateaway
[12:05] <Cuga_> asdfv, ok so are you supposed to get a ip via dhcp, or specify a static entry?
[12:05] <asdfv> static, i suppose
[12:06] <king_arthur> asdfv: Fastweb is handlig your ip with DHCP
[12:06] <asdfv> king: are you sure?
[12:06] <asdfv> are you italian?
[12:07] <king_arthur> asdfv: I am positive
[12:07] <asdfv> positive what?
[12:07] <Cuga_> asdfv, thats something you should know, what are you chatting with right now? a system on the same network? if soo check its network settings to see if its dhcp or static
[12:07] <king_arthur> asdfv: no ma parlo italiano :-)
[12:07] <asdfv> wow
[12:07] <asdfv> now i'using win2000
[12:08] <asdfv> how do i check if it's static?
[12:08] <king_arthur> asdfv: check your win settings
[12:08] <Cuga_> asdfv, ifconfig
[12:08] <Cuga_> err
[12:08] <Cuga_> ipconfig
[12:09] <Cuga_> ipconfig/all
[12:09] <king_arthur> asdfv: ipconfig with Win 2000?
[12:10] <king_arthur> looks like he's been checking... :-)
[12:11] <asdfv> ops my win2000 crashed
[12:11] <asdfv> said buffer overrun problem
[12:12] <king_arthur> asdfv: no surprise with win, I guesss one more reason to switch over
[12:12] <Cuga_> haha kinda funny hehe
[12:12] <asdfv> oh yes but without the net i can't swithc
[12:12] <Cuga_> using win2k to help troubleshoot linux issue to help switch over... and windows crashes
[12:12] <Cuga_> lol
[12:13] <asdfv> eheh
[12:13] <asdfv> i use win only for videogames
[12:13] <Cuga_> asdfv, im assuming the connection to pc is via cat-5 cable? not usb or anything right?
[12:13] <asdfv> right
[12:14] <Cuga_> can you try things on the box or are you dual booted to windows?
[12:15] <asdfv> i have dual boot
[12:16] <Cuga_> makes it hard to help that way, no other pcs in the house that you can hop on here with us while you logged into the ubuntu box?
[12:16] <asdfv> no
[12:16] <asdfv> i'm a student
[12:16] <asdfv> i've got only 1 oc
[12:16] <asdfv> pc
[12:16] <Cuga_> so you are in a dorm?
[12:17] <Scognito> hi
[12:17] <Cuga_> if so basic dhcp should work fine
[12:17] <Scognito> someone uses hoary and gdm ?
[12:17] <asdfv> i'm not in a dorm
[12:17] <asdfv> i live in a flat
[12:18] <htaccess> if there is anyone from cannonical here, has ubuntu been invited to join the Linux Core Consortium?
[12:18] <Cuga_> check your /etc/network/interfaces file and see if there is anything in there other then the loopback, if not then add these 2 lines
[12:18] <Cuga_> auto eth0
[12:18] <Cuga_> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[12:18] <asdfv> ok i'll write them down
[12:19] <Cuga_> did you check if you are on static or dynamic on this windows partition yet?
[12:19] <Cuga_> ipconfig/all
[12:19] <paper> Anyone use enlightenmnet in ubuntu?
[12:22] <Gwildor_> hihi
[12:22] <king_arthur> Cuga: IMHO you are making things unnecessary difficult :-)
[12:23] <king_arthur> in any case it's ifconfig
[12:23] <Cuga_> king_arthur, he is in windows right now
[12:24] <Cuga_> king_arthur, in windows, its ipconfig/all
[12:24] <king_arthur> Cuga: I know, that' the problem, he should do it all from Linux
[12:24] <king_arthur> I know fastweb, they have DHCP access
[12:24] <Cuga_> well he doesn't even know weither or not hes using DHCP
[12:24] <king_arthur> I am positive
[12:25] <king_arthur> :-)
[12:25] <ultrakorne^2> hi i installed ubuntu on my laptop, touch pad was working, but it stops (dont know why... maybe when i change mouse sensivity)
[12:25] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) hoary is UTF8 isn't it
[12:25] <king_arthur> He probably doesn't even know the difference.. 8-)
[12:25] (mjr/#ubuntu) HrdwrBoB, that's what they say
[12:25] (mjr/#ubuntu) (good thing too)
[12:25] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) yeah
[12:26] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) one of the guys here is madcrazy about locales
[12:26] <Gwildor_> utf8 is .......
[12:26] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) I just want to appease him :)
[12:26] <Gwildor_> ??that was a question...sorry??
[12:26] (mjr/#ubuntu) you need'nt wait for hoary, you can set up utf-8 locales on Warty ok; it's a question of defaults :)
[12:27] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) mjr: yeah
[12:27] <dre22pl> hello all
[12:27] (mjr/#ubuntu) (actually, I'm using Warty with UTF-8 locales)
[12:27] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) cool
[12:27] <king_arthur> Cuga: I am leaving now, I told him with to do in Italian on private channell
[12:28] <dre22pl> I've installed the Warty release several days ago, have a problem with alsa, who can i ask about it?
[12:28] <Gwildor_> umm, just upgraded about 3 seconds ago, nautalis upgraded, now it crashes when i try to open it
[12:28] <Cuga_> king_arthur, ok cool thanks, my italian is a lil rusty ;)
[12:28] <cardador> Gwildor_: restart x
[12:28] (mjr/#ubuntu) HrdwrBoB, yes
[12:28] <Gwildor_> kk, thnx
[12:28] <king_arthur> Cuga: it's better he uses GUI tool
[12:29] <king_arthur> Cuga: just select DHCP server and he will be connected
[12:31] <dre22pl> I've installed the Warty release several days ago, have a problem with alsa, who can i ask about it?
[12:31] (mjr/#ubuntu) dre22pl, this channel, among other things
[12:32] <dre22pl> ok :) thanks, sound works, as GDM loads there is some kind of a bell, so i know it works.
[12:32] <dre22pl> but when the actual gnome (or KDE) loads the sound stops working.
[12:33] <dre22pl> However if i start an app as root it does work, i thinkit's something minor, just dunno what to fix...
[12:33] <scoon> dre22pl: find a .wav file and test out alsa with aplay
[12:34] <dre22pl> if i do it as a user it says permisiion denied :| "aplay: main:507: audio open error: Permission denied"
[12:34] <dre22pl> and it works for root
[12:35] (mjr/#ubuntu) try "id"
[12:35] <Lowry> Hi all
[12:35] (mjr/#ubuntu) does it say that you're in the audio group?
[12:35] <Cuga_> dre22pl, sudo adduser username audio then log out and back in
[12:35] <thomas_> evening together
[12:35] <thomas_> is it german in here?
[12:36] <scoon> dre22pl: id user, make certain you are in the audio group.  just like Cuga_ says
[12:36] <thomas_> oh, i see
[12:36] <Lowry> Is there a way to get dri support with a powerbook g3? - via expert install?
[12:36] (mjr/#ubuntu) Lowry, what display hardware?
[12:36] <Lowry> mach64
[12:36] <thomas_> i _really_  would like to burn audio cds with my ubuntu system by not having to install k3b or any kde program
[12:37] <Lowry> ati rage pro lt 8 meg
[12:37] <thomas_> is this possible?
[12:37] (mjr/#ubuntu) thomas_, yes, what were there, xcdroast or gcombust or something
[12:38] <thomas_> i recently tried xcdroast, but i am too stupid to handle it burning audio cds
[12:38] <Cuga_> thomas_, Gnome is seriously lacking in this department, im not aware of any 'good' gnome based apps for this but there are some like mjr just mentionned, or you can learn from cml
[12:38] <thomas_> gcombust didnt recordnize my ide devie
[12:38] <dhasst> why cant i aptget mplayer
[12:38] (mjr/#ubuntu) Lowry, hmh, dunno really
[12:38] <dre22pl> thanks Cuga_, i'll check if it helps, I've indeed forgotten to add the user to that group.
[12:40] <thomas_> what is with coaster
[12:40] (mjr/#ubuntu) Lowry, seems that mach64 dri isn't being built by default due to security issues; see http://dri.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ATIMach64?action=highlight&value=CategoryHardware
[12:40] <thomas_> does it work allready?
[12:40] (mjr/#ubuntu) Lowry, you could probably install it yourself but that'd require manual work
[12:41] <Lowry> I see custum-expert-power3
[12:41] <Lowry> custum-power3
[12:41] <Lowry> expert-power3
[12:41] <Lowry> and install-power3
[12:42] <Lowry> Any suggestions?
[12:42] (ryan/#ubuntu) ls
[12:42] (ryan/#ubuntu) oops
[12:43] <thomas_> hey, i gcombust now seems to be working for me!
[12:43] <thomas_> great
[12:43] <thomas_> but it really looks ugly
[12:43] (mjr/#ubuntu) thomas_, cross your fingers so that Hoary's Rhythmbox would support writing audio CDs ;)
[12:43] <thomas_> What do you think, how long have we to wait for  a eye candy and cool burning app for gnome?
[12:44] <thomas_> mjr, this would be _really- great work
[12:44] <Agrajag> nautilus-cd-burner looks fine to me
[12:44] (mjr/#ubuntu) thomas_, not that long, the above functionality, I hear, is in Rhythmbox's CVS. Haven't checked myself though
[12:44] <thomas_> Agrajag, to mee as well, but it cant burn audio-cds, can it?
[12:44] <Despair> Agrajag: does it still crash after every 2nd cd, and erratically while dragging files?
[12:45] <Agrajag> no, it can't. It should be able to, they have gstreamer to handle audio after all
[12:45] <Agrajag> Despair: not that I know of
[12:46] <thomas_> i love nautilus-cd-burner to burn data dvds
[12:46] <cardador> hmm now there is an Ubuntu-update-manager!
[12:47] <Gwildor> where?
[12:47] <kent> thomas_, coaster seems lika a bright future for Gnome. It dont even use cdrecord :)
[12:47] <kent> cardador, in Hoary?
[12:47] <thomas_> but we need a audio burning app
[12:47] <thomas_> i cant force my freinds to use something like gcombust or something
[12:48] <cardador> kent: yes
[12:48] <Gwildor> cardador, where?
[12:48] <cardador> Gwildor: applications -> syst tools, last one
[12:48] <kent> thomas_, coaster will burn audios in time.
[12:49] <thomas_> but as the screenshots tell, coaster isnt able to burn audio at the moment
[12:49] <thomas_> and further, i cant compile it
[12:49] <Gwildor> cardador, i dont have it, i just upgraded like 10 mins ago, let my try again
[12:49] <thomas_> are there any debs for coaster anywhere?
[12:49] <kent> cardador, you wouldn't mind sending me a screenshot? I dont use Hoary :(
[12:49] <cardador> kent: wait a min
[12:50] <Gwildor> cardador, wonder why i dont have it?
[12:50] <kent> thomas_, i guess you will have to wait for coaster to mature a bit. Right now, installing k3b seems like the easiest way to be able to burn audio.
[12:50] <thomas_> gcombust didnt work; it just destroyed my empty cd...
[12:50] <Amaranth> Gwildor: apt-get install update-manager
[12:51] <Matt|> is it possible to get bashcompletion working with things like "apt-get install" or "killall" and suchlike on ubuntu? or is it something to do with the way you compile the packages?
[12:51] <thomas_> kent, but i dont want the easiest way, i want an more integrated solution
[12:51] <cardador> thomas_: k3b
[12:51] <Gwildor> Amaranth, thnx, tis going now
[12:51] <thomas_> not for me; i can use k3b, but i want to make ubuntu more popular to my friends and so on...
[12:51] <Cuga_> Matt|, just make an aliased command for them
[12:51] <ultrakorne> my touch pad stops running.... was running fine and something happen... now it didnt work at all...
[12:51] <Amaranth> Gwildor: If it doesn't show up in the menu I think you need to logout and log back in.
[12:52] <Amaranth> Or just run gksudo update-manager from a shell. :)
[12:52] <Gwildor> Amaranth, nah, it wasnt installed, besides, i just restarted X, just had to install it
[12:52] <bigbrother0074> anyone with experience getting skype to work on an AMD64?
[12:52] <Cuga_> Matt|, for example you could make apti -> apt-get install
[12:52] <Matt|> Cuga_, is that difficult?
[12:53] <Gwildor> Amaranth, sorry, i see your point now, restarting X, brb
[12:53] <Cuga_> Matt|, not at all
[12:54] <Matt|> Cuga_, would you describe how to do it, or point me to an easy howto or something?
[12:55] <bigbrother0074> anybody know what prgm i might need to communicate w/ a Creative Nomad IIc mp3 player?
[12:55] <Gwildor> ooh, got the update manager now, its kinda nice
[12:55] <Matt|> carlos, you here too?
[12:55] <Gwildor> too bad im up to date atm
[12:55] <carlos> Matt|: yep
[12:55] <thomas_> ciao
[12:56] <Matt|> carlos, what do those files do
[12:56] (mjr/#ubuntu) bigbrother0074, since skype is closed and proprietary, the "internet telephony that just works" will probably be easiest to set up within an x86 chroot environment
[12:56] <carlos> Matt|: carlos@frodo ~ $ dpkg -S /etc/bash_completion.d/pon
[12:56] <carlos> ppp: /etc/bash_completion.d/pon
[12:56] <carlos> install ppp and you will get an example
[12:56] <kent> cardador, do that program work as an applet or is it a program like synaptic?
[12:56] <carlos> Matt|: feed bash with the needed information so the autocompletion works
[12:56] <Matt|> carlos, ok and how do I do that?
[12:56] <bigbrother0074> mjr, i'm not sure i understand....i'm pretty new to ubuntu and linux, etc
[12:57] <carlos> Matt|: just read one of the already existing files
[12:57] (mjr/#ubuntu) bigbrother0074, then the answer is "ask skype to open up the code or at least release an amd64 version"
[12:57] <carlos> and do the same with the command you want
[12:57] <Matt|> carlos, there aren't any :)
[12:57] <bigbrother0074> mjr, ok, thanks
[12:57] <carlos> Matt|: as I said, install ppp
[12:58] <carlos> and you will get an example for pon
[12:58] <Matt|> what is pon?
[12:58] <carlos> just an example
[12:58] <Matt|> ok i'll try both yours and seb128 's methods
[12:58] <carlos> it's to execute dialup connections
[12:58] <seb128> carlos: I think you're getting too in the details, uncommenting should be enough
[12:59] <carlos> Matt|: you need what seb128 told you to use this feature
[12:59] <carlos> seb128: yeah, I thought he had it already activated
[12:59] <Matt|> ok have done that
[12:59] <Matt|> how can i restart it?
[01:00] <pdaoust> hey, chaps, I'm having a hell of a time getting this one PHP4 module working... anyone know why a module, after installed, would still not be available to PHP?
[01:01] <pdaoust> wow, quiet forum today
[01:01] <Matt|> carlos?
[01:01] <ajmitch_> because it's not enabled in the php.ini?
[01:01] <Matt|> sorry pdaoust no idea
[01:01] <pdaoust> ajmitch_: what an ass I am
[01:01] <pdaoust> ajmitch_: actually, I kinda assumed dpkg would handle the reconfiguration
[01:02] <Deft> mdz: are you availible?
[01:02] <ajmitch_> that'd probably depend on how it was packaged, I guess
[01:02] <carlos> Matt|: you need to restart your session
[01:02] <Matt|> carlos, ok
[01:03] <carlos> Matt|: perhaps it's enough restarting the terminal
[01:03] <Matt|> carlos, seb128 thanks for all your help
[01:03] <carlos> but I'm not sure
[01:03] <Matt|> i will try
[01:03] <Matt|> byeeeeee
[01:03] <bigbrother0074> anybody know what prgm i might need to communicate w/ a Creative Nomad IIc mp3 player?
[01:03] <Cuga_> Ubuntu forums seem to be back up, if anybody can update the /topic
[01:04] <pdaoust> ajmitch_: I checked, and, sure enough, the extension wasn't enabled :)
[01:04] <pdaoust> ajmitch_: thanks!
[01:04] <ajmitch_> no problems
[01:05] <OrngeTide> oh my, people actually run this.
[01:05] <kent> bigbrother0074, http://libnjb.sourceforge.net/
[01:06] <bigbrother0074> kent, thanks
[01:06] <ajmitch_> OrngeTide: surprised at that? :)
[01:06] <kent> bigbrother0074, there is a list on there homepage of programs.
[01:07] <bigbrother0074> kent, so i would use gnomeDAP or something?
[01:07] <derek> anyone here have a danger hiptop2 (t-mobile sidekick2)
[01:07] <kent> bigbrother0074, it seems like that would be a good program. Bug i dont own a nomad, so i cant say :)
[01:09] <OrngeTide> ajmitch_, well i never heard of it until like 5 seconds ago. i was running gentoo on my ibook, but it took a big dump on me. so i tried out crux, and it had issues that i didn't feel like resolving.
[01:09] <kent> bigbrother0074, but if you follow the link to gnomedap you'l see that it has changed name into neutrino.   http://neutrino.sourceforge.net/
[01:09] <OrngeTide> ajmitch_, just surprised to see this many people in the channel. so i'm downloading the iso now
[01:10] <Pugio> hello
[01:10] <bigbrother0074> kent, i see that.... but i can't find either on my synaptic package manager.... do i need to find a repository for it?
[01:10] <Pugio> does anyone know when the first batch of CD's are expected to arrive?
[01:10] <Pugio> I 'ordered' mine early October
[01:11] <cardador> kent: i dont know because it says my system is up to date
[01:11] <cardador> kent: sorry the late reply :)
[01:11] <kent> bigbrother0074, i guess so. Or find a debian-package.  If your lucky, you can install it as a normal debian-package. (debian unstable/testing might have it?)
[01:12] <bigbrother0074> OrngeTide, what do you mean?
[01:12] <scorpix> hello
[01:12] <Amaranth> this update manager is neat
[01:12] <Amaranth> it's like OS X
[01:12] <pixelmonkey> Does anyone here have the J2EE 1.4.2 SDK downloaded on their machine (from Sun)?
[01:12] <bigbrother0074> kent, how would i go about finding a debian-package?  look for it at apt-get.org
[01:12] <cerebrix> bigbrother0074: you should post on the message board if you get that figured out, i have a nomad zen i need to replace the hd in and when i do, ill be looking for an answer to that question myself heh
[01:12] <pixelmonkey> I need to download it, but Sun's website is fscked due to Solaris' release.
[01:13] <cardador> Amaranth: have you figured out how it runs?
[01:13] <bigbrother0074> cerebrix, where's the msg board?
[01:13] <cardador> Amaranth: like synaptic?
[01:13] <Amaranth> cardador: yeah, pretty simple
[01:13] <Amaranth> you run it and if there are updates it shows them and has an "Update" button
[01:13] <Amaranth> click and and kick back
[01:13] <cardador> Amaranth: but does it auto update the packages?
[01:13] <cerebrix> under community on www.ubuntulinux.org =D
[01:13] <Amaranth> if there are no updates then it tells you so
[01:13] <Amaranth> just a simplified GUI
[01:13] <bigbrother0074> cerebrix, oh..ok
[01:13] <scorpix> when i try boot the ubuntu livece my screem card wont work its nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] , so is it from xorg or ubuntu? cuz it works fine in debian(sarge).
[01:14] <cardador> Amaranth: i have it already installed, but it says it is up to date
[01:14] <Amaranth> for times you want to update only, not install
[01:14] <Amaranth> then you are up to date
[01:14] <Amaranth> although i've found that it says i am until i apt-get update
[01:14] <asdfv> hi
[01:14] <Amaranth> thats an apt thing though, not an update-manager thing
[01:14] <cardador> Amaranth: so from time to time it connects to the repositories to check for upgrades?
[01:14] <asdfv> how can I login as root in ubuntu?
[01:14] <OrngeTide> bigbrother0074, i'm just spouting off a bit of trivia. I used QSSL's neutrino at a previous job, it's the main thing they sell (it's the kernel for QNX)
[01:14] <Amaranth> cardador: not that i'm aware of
[01:14] <cardador> asdfv: no need for root, use sudo
[01:14] <Amaranth> although i think that would be the point
[01:15] <Lowry> What is laptop-detect?
[01:15] <asdfv> so name:sudo passw:???
[01:15] <Amaranth> Lowry: apt-cache show laptop-detect
[01:15] <bigbrother0074> OrngeTide, oh, i didn't know if that was supposed to help me or not.  ok.
[01:15] <Amaranth> asdfv: sudo command
[01:15] <cerebrix> i just think i realized something.  if i intended to patch my kernel source w/ new alsa drivers, i should probobly have done that to the source before i started compiling a .deb for the source huh?
[01:15] <cardador> asdfv: what exactly you want to do?
[01:15] <Amaranth> then it asks for your password
[01:15] <Deft> Lowry, laptop-detect just return whether or not it thinks you are using a laptop
[01:15] <OrngeTide> bigbrother0074, no. i'm not being helpful at all. :P
[01:16] <Amaranth> Lowry: I'm assuming it's used by GNOME to know whether or not to monitor battery life.
[01:16] <asdfv> i have to modify the file etc/network/interfaces but i can't because i'm not a rott
[01:16] <Lowry> So - any interesting new options?
[01:16] <bigbrother0074> OrngeTide, haha, ok
[01:16] <aaroncuk> hi all, can someone tell me if a MSI KM3M-V will work with ubuntu, my current board doesnt seem to want to
[01:16] <cerebrix> am i correct in that assumption?
[01:18] <cardador> asdfv: sudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces
[01:18] <asdfv> thx
[01:18] <scorpix> when i try boot the ubuntu livece my screem card wont work its nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] , so is it from xorg or ubuntu? cuz it works fine in debian(sarge).
[01:20] <s0cks> lol
[01:20] <s0cks> Had to get the udontkowz0rs
[01:23] <paper> anyone mind telling me how i can turn off the graphical login screen, so its just the terminal?
[01:24] <nevyn> paper: mv /etc/rc2.d/S99[gkx] dm /etc/rc2.d/K99[gkx] dm
[01:25] <paper> nevyn, as root?
[01:26] <Cuga_> paper, sudo
[01:27] <paper> yes
[01:27] <paper> thats what i meant
[01:27] <paper> :)
[01:33] <osiris_22> how do i update ubuntu?
[01:33] <Gwildor> synaptic
[01:34] <Gwildor> or sudoapt-get update
[01:34] <osiris_22> does it update the kernal?
[01:34] <Gwildor> or sudo apt-get update
[01:34] <Gwildor> sorry
[01:34] <Gwildor> then sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:34] <giannicola> cuga?
[01:34] <Cuga_> Heya
[01:35] <cardador> osiris_22: yes it does
[01:35] <giannicola> i'm the guy of dhcp
[01:35] <giannicola> no everything work
[01:35] <Cuga_> giannicola, nice so it worked?
[01:35] <giannicola> i'm on ubuntu
[01:35] <giannicola> yes
[01:35] <Cuga_> great
[01:35] <giannicola> thank you very much
[01:35] <giannicola> i'm a little inexpert
[01:35] <Cuga_> np, its weird that the installer didnt catch that thos (the fact that you were on dhcp)
[01:35] <dimgr> hi
[01:36] <giannicola> now i'm going to bed
[01:36] <giannicola> here in italy is almost 2am
[01:36] <giannicola> where are you from cuga?
[01:36] <Cuga_> Canada, its about 7:30pm here
[01:36] <giannicola> wow
[01:36] <giannicola> i've got alot of relatives over there
[01:36] <Amaranth> 6:30pm here in Iowa, USA
[01:36] <giannicola> montreal and toronto
[01:36] <leonel> chihuahua, Mex  is  5:30 PM
[01:37] <Cuga_> Cool
[01:37] <dimgr> 2.30 in Athens Greece
[01:37] <giannicola> here in italy is dark outside
[01:37] <giannicola> wow
[01:37] <Cuga_> oh its dark here too hehe but not late
[01:37] <hey2k5> lol> here in italy is dark outside
[01:37] <Molgrew> I just used the live cd and at first things like help would open but after some time they would not, only things on the desktop, like the folders on there
[01:37] <giannicola> goodnigth to everybody
[01:38] <leonel> http://taint.org/xplanet/   <-- it's  dark over Italy
[01:38] <dimgr> ubuntu has a livecd? i downloaded a iso image but its not the live :P
[01:38] <Lowry> You can boot and install
[01:38] <Molgrew> Is it a fully capable live cd? I couldn't figure out how to go online with it
[01:41] <Lowry> Are you wanting gnoppix linux? gnoppix.org?
[01:41] <NewComer> leonel, it's dark over here too, yet that image says the opposite
[01:42] <leonel> :)
[01:42] <Molgrew> I thought since it was called live cd, that it was a live cd
[01:43] <NewComer> mmm, the thumbnails were decieving, the actual image are correct
[01:43] <Cuga_> theres no reason you can't go online with it (unless i'm wrong, i haven't tryed it) but did you look into why you couldn't get online, did you see if it detected your network card and such?
[01:44] <Molgrew> It was not very foolproof
[01:45] <Molgrew> It detected it, but I expected something like "go online" and just having to fill in my isp account info
[01:46] <Gwildor> tis not a microsoft product
[01:47] <NewComer> what's the difference between ubunutu live cd and gnoppix warty (new gnoppix release)?
[01:47] <Molgrew> knoppix had something to that effect
[01:47] <Gwildor> newcomer, good question
[01:48] <Scognito> someone uses hoary and gdm ?
[01:49] <Gwildor> i use hoary?
[01:50] <Gwildor> idk if that means i use gdm
[01:51] <Scognito> gdm of hoary cannot load new themes
[01:52] <Gwildor> havent tried
[01:52] <Scognito> i have installed new themes from art.gnome.org
[01:52] <Scognito> and no one works
[01:52] <Scognito> they are installed ok
[01:53] <Scognito> but when i reload gdm or start a new session i got a strange error...
[01:55] <osiris_22> can you use rpm files in ubuntu?
[01:55] <Gwildor> i dont think so.......if you can, they dont recommend it
[01:55] <Gwildor> ubuntu
[01:55] <Cuga_> osiris_22, change them to debs first, even then its not recommended ... find a premade deb file
[01:55] <osiris_22> they dont have one they only have an rpm for winamp
[01:56] <Gwildor> Scognito, i realy dont know, just pulled the question outta ya, so someone could answer it, sorry
[01:56] <osiris_22> and my friend is bitchen wanting win amp
[01:56] <Cuga_> give him xmms
[01:56] <Cuga_> winamp on linux is pretty crappy
[01:56] <Scognito> tnx
[01:56] <Cuga_> they gave up long time ago on it
[01:57] <Cuga_> hence the name WINamp
[02:03] <EricNeon> morning all
[02:03] <cardador> osiris_22: check out beep media player
[02:03] <EricNeon> this is ShangHai morning~
[02:04] <Cuga_> This is Canadian evening :)
[02:04] <Rene_S> This is Irish New Year
[02:08] <Cuga_> any channel ops in here?
[02:11] <Gwildor> what is a good mp3 manager/ player.....i dont really have playlists, i just like a library
[02:11] <NewComer> there's only ONE guy seeding the warty livecd?!!!!
[02:11] <Deft> Gwildor, is rhythmbox not ok?
[02:11] <Gwildor> deft, do i have that?
[02:12] <Deft> you should do, if you've only just installed it won't play mp3s yet though
[02:12] <Gwildor> deft, hoary, mp3 stuff is done....just havent had any on here yet?
[02:12] <Cuga_> Hey, lil off topic question....I just got handed a workorder to do tommorow at client site, anychange anybody know what the expression FOB means in the sentence Products are FOB Customer site? does that mean i have to bring it or they have to provide when i'm there?
[02:13] <Cuga_> *anychance
[02:13] <Gwildor> maybe ask the boss?
[02:13] <Gwildor> lol
[02:13] <Cuga_> gone for the day
[02:13] <Cuga_> lol
[02:13] <Gwildor> wonderful
[02:14] (sladen/#ubuntu) NewComer: that seed is probably from the Ubuntu servers
[02:14] <Deft> dictionary.com says free on board...
[02:14] <Cuga_> man, i hate acromins.. hell i can't even spell acronims
[02:14] <Cuga_> hrmm.. and how do you enterprete free on board ?
[02:14] <Gwildor> cuga, yup free on board, was just gonna say that
[02:15] <Deft> even better than that is "Followers of the Bananameister"
[02:15] <Cuga_> does that mean i have to provide ?
[02:15] <Deft> http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?p=dict&String=exact&Acronym=FOB
[02:15] <Cuga_> hahaha
[02:15] <Gwildor> cuga_, thats means grab some for everyone.........take all you can carry
[02:15] (sladen/#ubuntu) Cuga_: IIRC,
[02:16] (sladen/#ubuntu) Cuga_: IIRC,  'Fright-on-board'---the customer pays based the distance you have to transport the items
[02:17] <osiris_22> i cant seem to get totum to play any mpgs for some reason
[02:17] <Rene_1> Odd, gaim has irc he
[02:17] <Gaaruto> i just to upgrade my hoary, now nautilus is very slow, why ?
[02:17] <Gwildor> gaaruto,maybe try and upgrade again?, idk, i just got a new nautalis upgrade, bout 20 mins ago
[02:17] <Cuga_> ahh means i gotta bring em... here comes an hour of burning.. :(
[02:17] <Gwildor> hahahaha
[02:18] <Deft> osiris_22, do you have the plugins installed?
[02:18] <cardador> Gaaruto: sudo apt-get install gamin
[02:18] (sladen/#ubuntu) Cuga_: (or the customer organises their own transport)
[02:18] <Gaaruto> ok thanks
[02:18] <osiris_22> i didnt know there were plugins deft
[02:18] <Gwildor> thats what gamin does
[02:19] <cardador> osiris_22: search for w32codecs, but you must have multiverse enabled
[02:19] <Deft> osiris_22, if you are using the included totem, it's based on gstreamer; you'll likely be better off installed totem-xine instead, which can uses the w32codecs
[02:19] <Gaaruto> what is gamin ?
[02:19] <Falstius> anyone have suggestions for good Palm Pilot software in addition to Evolution?  My brother is asking for something like "WordToGo"
[02:19] <cardador> Gaaruto: it replaces fam
[02:19] <osiris_22> so i should look for xine on synaptic?
[02:19] <Deft> Gaaruto, gamin is a replacement for fam, the file alteration monitor
[02:19] <Rene_S> Gotta Love Linux, learn something new everyday :)
[02:20] <cardador> osiris_22: w32codecs
[02:20] <Deft> osiris_22, you'll need a new apt source first
[02:20] <Gaaruto> thanks it works :)
[02:20] <cardador> Gaaruto: :)
[02:20] <Deft> osiris_22, "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main"
[02:20] <Deft> then you can install totem-xine and w32codecs
[02:22] <cardador> Deft: i think its better to use multiverse
[02:22] <Majestic|LinuX> how can I get hoary
[02:22] <cardador> osiris_22: edit sources.list and add universe and multiverse to the repository
[02:22] <Gwildor> umm, why cant i use rythmbox?, its not in the menu, i cant right click on an mp3 and say "add to library", anyone know why?
[02:23] <Deft> cardador, not for w32codecs surely
[02:23] <Rene_S> Dont shave for a week, you will get pretty Hoary by then :)
[02:23] <Deft> Gwildor, it should be listed as Music Player
[02:23] <Gwildor> Majestic|LinuX, changes the word warty in your source list to say hoary
[02:23] <Majestic|LinuX> thanks
[02:23] <Majestic|LinuX> Whats up G ;)
[02:23] <Deft> Gwildor, I don't know where the Add to Library menu is though, it got lost when I upgraded from warty
[02:25] <Gwildor> deft, thats what im saying
[02:26] <Gwildor> deft, wonderful, no sound from rythmbox
[02:26] <Gwildor> lol, sure gort sound from gaim though, man that was loud
[02:26] <migueliyus> what software is available like kazza on ubuntu ?
[02:26] <Deft> Gwildor, if it doesn't work on the second try, you might see what gstreamer-properties gives you
[02:26] <Cuga_> limewire, gnutella...
[02:26] <Gwildor> migueliyus, i use overnet, was pretty easy to set up
[02:27] <Deft> Gwildor, although I'm not very convinced by the current hoary build of rhythmbox, crashes a bit too much
[02:27] <NewComer> migueliyus, use gift, with giFToxic as frontend
[02:27] <Rene_S> I use Apollon, its a KDE front end to giFt but it uses FastTrack
[02:27] <osiris_22> i got xine with out adding a repository
[02:27] <Rene_S> supports rather
[02:27] <osiris_22> and it works jsut fine
[02:27] <osiris_22> hrm
[02:27] <Deft> migueliyus, just to join in, gtk-gnutella with the gtk2 frontend is nice for gnutella1 network
[02:28] <Gwildor> deft, what should gstreamer-properties show me....it gives me like a config window
[02:28] <osiris_22> amsn sucks ass
[02:28] <Gwildor> natalus window
[02:28] <Deft> osiris_22, you should get most basic codecs, but not mpeg4
[02:28] <osiris_22> should it play dvds?
[02:28] <Deft> Gwildor, try changing the audio output to alsa, if it isn't there already
[02:29] <osiris_22> err
[02:29] <osiris_22> will it play dvds
[02:29] <osiris_22> lmao
[02:29] <Deft> osiris_22, you need libdvdcss2 for that
[02:29] <Deft> osiris_22, if they are protected dvds anyway
[02:29] <Gwildor> deft, works now
[02:29] <Gwildor> deft, thnx
[02:32] <nixman> anyone seen problems where the ubuntu installer is incapable of mounting the cdrom ?
[02:32] <Rene_S> Its never happened to me personally
[02:33] <nixman> the cdrom in question is a normal dvd drive easily recognized by knoppix/fedora
[02:33] <nixman> any idea why this could be happening ?
[02:33] <Deft> nixman, have you looked in the bugzilla?
[02:34] <nixman> Deft, checking it now.
[02:35] <Pugio> does anyone have an ETA on the pressed CD's?
[02:36] <benja> i installed giftui and i get this error :[22:34:52]  *** GIFT-ERROR: failed to open /usr/share/giFT/mime.types
[02:36] <benja> giftui : No host to connect /apps/giftui/daemon/host.
[02:37] <migueliyus> so me I benja
[02:38] <cardador> benja: install apollon instead, you can acess gnutella, openft and fasttrack (kazaa) networks
[02:39] <cardador> benja: and limewire is pretty good also, but itll connect only to gnutella
[02:39] <benja> ok, thanks
[02:40] <cardador> bye
[02:44] <benja> my giftd does not start :( gives me errors
[02:44] <Gwildor> see why i sad go with overnet
[02:45] <Rene_S> try running gift-setup
[02:45] <robertj> why does exporting the display to <IP_ADDRESS>:0.0 and running xcalc from the chroot not cause the window to display?
[02:45] <Gwildor> 2 debs to install.......on you go
[02:46] <nixman> Deft, looks like i am experiencing https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1440
[02:47] <benja> now works :D
[02:47] <Rene_S> Ill send ya my bill in the mail
[02:48] <Gwildor> why does FF take days to start?
[02:49] <Rene_S> No idea, I use Mozilla mostly but when i used FF I never had any trouble
[02:49] <Gwildor> try it now......hoary
[02:50] <Gwildor> like 6 long seconds....hahaha
[02:50] <Gwildor> i guess it varys......some times it takes longer
[02:50] <Rene_S> Look at it this way, at least its not IE
[02:51] <Gwildor> hahahahaha......good point
[02:51] <Rene_S> I unfortunatly have it on my Linux box to test webpages with, makes me nervous everytime it opens
[02:52] <Gwildor> hahhaha
[02:53] <Gwildor> dont wanna get spyware..........
[02:53] <Gwildor> hehe
[02:53] <Rene_S> Most of the time i just disconnect the internet, but sometimes I forget
[02:55] <hcker2000> any one else here us the ppc distro?
[02:55] <Gwildor> ogra does, i think
[02:55] <Lowry> I have ppc
[02:55] <_Maragato_> hello hello godnight everybody
[02:56] <Gwildor> not on atm though
[02:56] <Gwildor> goodnite
[02:56] <_Maragato_> may I bug you with 3 questions?
[02:56] <Gwildor> me.sure
[02:56] <EricNeon> good morning!
[02:56] <hcker2000> Lowry, what mac are u runing it on?
[02:56] <Rene_S> Hmmm that Conectiva Linux looks kinda nice .
[02:57] <Lowry> g3 powerbook
[02:57] <EricNeon> woh
[02:57] <EricNeon> I like it
[02:57] <hcker2000> dose it have a built in modem?
[02:58] <Lowry> Yes - but I share internet with my g4
[02:58] <EricNeon> but I have no meney
[02:58] <WildCode> I'm having problems installing ubuntu 4.10, I get unmet dependencies when installing the base system in with the dependancy being modutils (which apparently isn't installed and isn't going to be)
[02:58] <Lowry> I have not tested the modem yet
[02:58] <jdub> WildCode: how are you installing it?
[02:59] <WildCode> letting the cd do its thing
[02:59] <Lowry> What mac do you have?
[02:59] <jdub> have you checked the md5sum of the cd?
[02:59] <WildCode> yes, it was a clean burn
[03:00] <WildCode> jdub: dunno about md5, but the burning software I used said the cd was fine and matched the image it used
[03:01] <Lowry> Try a different burning app and brand of cdr
[03:01] <Lowry> Might help
[03:01] <jdub> WildCode: the image and/or cd may be corrupted
[03:01] <WildCode> lol, I would if I had a different brand ... never had a problem with the app or cd brand before
[03:01] <jdub> WildCode: you should check the md5sum of the image, at the very least
[03:01] <Gaaruto> good night everybody
[03:01] <Gaaruto> and thanks
[03:02] <Lowry> night
[03:02] <Gwildor> maybe burn the  image at a slower speed?
[03:02] <EricNeon> lol,this is morning
[03:02] <Gaaruto> EricNeon, not for me
[03:02] <Gaaruto> :)
[03:02] <Gaaruto> bye
[03:02] <Lowry> Run a md5sum app and see if the dl was ok
[03:04] <Lowry> The forums have many questions/solutions to cdr problems on pc/ppc
[03:05] <EricNeon> I use gentoo linux now
[03:05] <EricNeon> and I'll test my garnome-cn patch
[03:05] <WildCode> md5sum: a491903a2d2197651864dec3836d85e0 ... matches what ubuntu site says
[03:05] <yz> edd: Couldn't find package ncurses-devel
[03:06] <yz>   when i did: sudo apt-get install ncurses-devel
[03:06] <EricNeon> yes
[03:06] <EricNeon> or install ncurses5-dev?
[03:06] <hcker2000> Lowry, u have any idea if the modem in the powerbook g4's is suported?
[03:07] <yz> lemme try than ericneon
[03:07] <yz> that (not than)
[03:07] <Lowry> Sorry -no
[03:08] <WildCode> jdub: md5sum matches whats on the ubuntu site, so what do you suggest ... is there anyway to force it to install modutils ...
[03:08] <hcker2000> darn i wish i could find some info on it. i got to go to work in less than an hour and my old laptop died and im trying to get my wife laptop to dial up so i can get on the net at work
[03:08] <Lowry> Try the ppc forums - if it is not working post your info
[03:08] <Deft> can anyone tell me if there's any current work on Thunderbird 0.9 for hoary?
[03:09] <yz>   when i did: sudo apt-get install ncurses5-devel
[03:09] <yz> edd: Couldn't find package ncurses5-devel
[03:09] <Deft> libncurses5-dev
[03:11] <jdub> WildCode: if the cd is correct, then there shouldn't be any problems between the packages at all
[03:11] <jdub> WildCode: are you sure you got the warty cd? what steps are you going through?
[03:12] <EricNeon> Deft, I use Thunderbird 0.9 (chinese)
[03:12] <Lowry> I used a cdrdao based cdr app
[03:12] <Lowry> Worked well
[03:12] <Deft> EricNeon, just the package straight from mozilla.org?
[03:12] <hcker2000> well looks like no one uses the ppc forums
[03:12] <EricNeon> from gentoo mirrors
[03:13] <lil_anthony> question: anyone besides me get the alsas /dev/mixer error when using gmplayer? My video will play and my sound will play but i get a looping popup that will not go away until the file is closed.
[03:13] <EricNeon> I 'm use gentoo
[03:13] <Lowry> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=9
[03:13] <Lowry> ppc forum
[03:14] <hcker2000> yea 98 whoal posts lol
[03:14] <EricNeon> Deft,why u down package from mozilla.org?
[03:15] <WildCode> jdub: boot from the cd, setup the partition, letting it know I'm an aussie, choosing my keyboard, then let it do its thing, it then comes up with a message saying that the installation has failed during installing the base system, and to check console 3 for info .. trying to go
[03:15] <Deft> EricNeon, because there isn't a deb yet for ubuntu, that's why I was asking...
[03:15] <EricNeon> if you use ubuntu ,only just et
[03:15] <WildCode> trying to go further brings you to the list of steps (much like debians list)
[03:15] <EricNeon> o?
[03:15] <EricNeon> I see
[03:17] <WildCode> jdub: confirmed: cd fine as well ... ripped image from cd, md5sum'd it, compared it to the image I have and to the md5sum listed on the ubuntu site. All match
[03:17] <EricNeon> debian have no thunderbird?
[03:17] <Phr0stByte> Its imposible to find good help anymore....
[03:17] <jdub> EricNeon: which package manager do you use?
[03:18] <jdub> oh
[03:18] <osiris_22> anyone know the site where to get the newer gtk-guntella .deb file?
[03:18] <jdub> Deft: thunderbird will be updated when debian updates it
[03:18] <EricNeon> gentoo emerge
[03:18] <WildCode> jdub: and yes, its the warty cd -> warty-release-install-i386.iso
[03:19] <jdub> WildCode: failure during base system. badness.
[03:19] <jdub> WildCode: what kinda machine?
[03:19] <osiris_22> someones gotta know where to get it lmao
[03:19] <osiris_22> come on
[03:19] <Deft> jdub, actually, they have already, missted that; good suggestion EricNeon
[03:19] <EricNeon> jdub,do you remenber me?
[03:19] <jdub> EricNeon: hrm, no?
[03:19] <jdub> Deft: it ought to be in hoary soon then
[03:19] <EricNeon> I am menber of gnome-cn
[03:19] <jdub> cool
[03:20] <jdub> enjoying ubuntu?
[03:20] <WildCode> jdub: athlon xp 2400 ... 1gig ram, 120 gig total hdd space ... radeon 9600 xt (256megs) ...
[03:20] <EricNeon> we had test gar-cn patch
[03:20] <Deft> jdub, too late! I'm annoyed with the broken evo now! :)
[03:20] <EricNeon> yes ,I used ubuntu last eek
[03:35] <Phr0stByte> Deft: Hoary?
[03:35] <Deft> Phr0stByte, yes, IMAP not working
[03:35] <EricNeon> I'm also member of hiweed-debian distro dev team
[03:35] <WildCode> jdub: gigabyte mb .. network card (which the installer detected correctly)
[03:35] <Phr0stByte> Deft: How can you get annoyed with something still in developement?
[03:35] <EricNeon> we love debian and gentoo
[03:35] <Deft> Phr0stByte, I'm not that annoyed really, it wasn't unexpected; but I want to see the changes, and it's too much hassle to rool back
[03:35] <Deft> * wanted, roll
[03:35] <Phr0stByte> Deft: Understood. If you want bug free functionality, warty is great!
[03:35] <jdub> WildCode: hrm. weird.
[03:35] <EricNeon> jdub,we had test a chinese patch to garnome2.8.1,it's very good
[03:35] <WildCode> jdub, I didn't do anything fancy, I just followed the steps the installer took ...
[03:35] <Els|lappy> hi, i got my free cd's a few days ago, i'v just gone to install ubuntu and it;s tryingto up date from ubuntu.com, is there any way of stop this update ?
[03:35] <Deft> Phr0stByte, I know, I used it for a few weeks with no upgrading, which is an achievement for me, given that I was using debian sid+experimental most of the time before
[03:35] <jdub> EricNeon: what did you change?
[03:35] <jdub> EricNeon: (i don't maintain garnome anymore, btw)
[03:35] <EricNeon> only any chinese patch
[03:35] <Phr0stByte> Deft: Going on two months with warty here - loving every minute of it!
[03:35] <EricNeon> http://www.gnome-cn.org/getstart/
[03:35] <EricNeon> we will named it
[03:35] <EricNeon> now ,we call it as gar-cn
[03:35] <WildCode> jdub: any suggestions?
[03:35] <jdub> WildCode: no, perhaps when Kamion is around, he can help you (UK time)
[03:35] <jdub> EricNeon: cool :-)
[03:35] <jdub> EricNeon: you don't have ubuntu on your preinstalled gnome page ;-0
[03:35] <jdub> ;-)
[03:35] <WildCode> I'll do the install again and write down every step so it "might" be able to be reproduced ...
[03:35] <EricNeon> today I'll test garnome2.9.1
[03:35] <EricNeon> hoho,I'll do it
[03:35] <EricNeon> ubuntu~
[03:35] <hcker2000> oh well i guess i can play net hack for 10 hours
[03:35] <jdub> EricNeon: do all chinese gnome users input with pin yin?
[03:35] <EricNeon> there are alot of pepole at chinese used ubuntu
[03:35] <EricNeon> no,we input with any chineseinput
[03:35] <jdub> EricNeon: do most know pin yin?
[03:35] <EricNeon> pinyin,WuBi,so on
[03:35] <EricNeon> every chinese must stady pinyin at school
[03:35] <jdub> really?
[03:35] <jdub> wow
[03:35] <EricNeon> yes,must
[03:35] <jdub> my fiance speaks mandarin
[03:35] <jdub> and said that when she was there, no one understood when she wrote in pin yin :)
[03:35] <jdub> but now she has learnt to write in characters
[03:35] <jdub> i only know a little bit
[03:35] <jdub> ni hao :-)
[03:35] <EricNeon> cool!
[03:35] <escoz> hi guys
[03:35] <jdub> hola escoz
[03:35] <escoz> does anybody knows where can I install mysql-server from?
[03:35] <|QuaD|> escoz: apt-get
[03:35] <escoz> i tried apt-get install mysql-server, but it says that the package is not on the repository
[03:35] <jdub> escoz: it's available in the main repository
[03:36] <mazzabr> ok.
[03:36] <EricNeon> pin yin is chinese nation standard
[03:36] <mazzabr> ubuntu newbie here.
[03:36] <escoz> this is what I'm getting: Package mysql-server is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[03:36] <jdub> escoz: hve you done an apt-get update?
[03:36] <mazzabr> ex-slackware.
[03:36] <escoz> yes..
[03:37] <jdub> escoz: that is very strange :)
[03:37] <|QuaD|> escoz: apt-cache search?
[03:37] <mazzabr> I have some problems here.
[03:37] <mazzabr> eth0 is being configured at startup.
[03:37] <jdub> escoz: what are the uncommented lines in your sources.list?
[03:37] <mazzabr> including default route.
[03:37] <mazzabr> it shouldn't be happening.
[03:37] <EricNeon> complete with PL of CHina ,taiwan,hongkong
[03:37] <escoz> ok, thanks a lot jdub
[03:37] <mazzabr> how can I disable eth0 boot setup?
[03:38] <escoz> the main repository was not setup..
[03:38] <escoz> i don't know why, but anyway.. :) thanks a lot
[03:38] <jdub> mazzabr: either turn it off with the networking dialogue, or remove the 'auto eth0' line in /etc/network/interfaces
[03:38] <mazzabr> I used to edit rc.inet1.
[03:38] <mazzabr> /etc/network/interfaces.
[03:38] <mazzabr> jdub, thanks. I'm not used to SysV init.
[03:39] <childe> Hello. I've enabled XComposite in xorg.conf, and how to enable Metacity's dropshadow?
[03:39] <mazzabr> another question.
[03:39] <mazzabr> how can I be sure that my video card is correctly configure.
[03:39] <mazzabr> ?
[03:39] <jdub> childe: that's a build-time thing, and metacity's composite support is b0rk atm.
[03:39] <jdub> childe: best to install xcompmgr and try it.
[03:39] <mazzabr> I have an ATi Radeon 9200.
[03:39] <jdub> mazzabr: is it working properly?
[03:40] <mazzabr> jdub, it's working ok at slackware.
[03:40] <childe> idub: So I can't get dropshadow without re-compile Metacity?
[03:41] <jdub> childe: you won't be able to do it with metacity at the moment. use xcompmgr (which runs along side metacity).
[03:41] <mazzabr> jdub, when using slackware I used to run a 3d app to verify frame-rate. I'm afraid this app is not avaiable in Ubuntu.
[03:41] <EricNeon> xcompmgr intrude more memory
[03:42] <childe> jdub: EricNeon: What's the best way to get dropshadow in GNOME?
[03:42] <escoz> another question.. is there any easy way (apt-get) to get the microsoft fonts?
[03:42] <jdub> mazzabr: glxgears ought to be there. but is your video card working in ubuntu?
[03:42] <jdub> escoz: apt-get install msttcorefonts
[03:42] <escoz> thanks !: )
[03:42] <jdub> childe: install xcompmgr!
[03:42] <mazzabr> jdub, it's working.
[03:42] <smeg_> i want to install Mono and there is no debian package at the site is there another one elsewhere?
[03:42] <mazzabr> jdub, 1280x1024 including.
[03:42] <jdub> smeg_: there are packages for mono in universe
[03:43] <childe> jdub: But I can't find the xcompmgr package in the repository?
[03:43] <EricNeon> letm think
[03:43] <jdub> mazzabr: so i deduce that it's correctly configured :)
[03:43] <jdub> childe: it's in daniels's repository, mentioned on ubuntu-devel
[03:43] <mazzabr> jdub, : yes, it is!
[03:43] <mazzabr> 2862 frames in 5.0 seconds = 572.400 FPS
[03:43] <mazzabr> 3012 frames in 5.0 seconds = 602.400 FPS
[03:44] <mazzabr> jdub, now fullscreen:
[03:44] <mazzabr> 375 frames in 5.0 seconds = 75.000 FPS
[03:44] <mazzabr> 379 frames in 5.0 seconds = 75.800 FPS
[03:44] <childe> jdub: Please tell me how to get that package, or how to add daniels's repository to my sources.list.
[03:44] <mazzabr> IMO it's good enough.
[03:44] <Deft> jdub, has anything bad happened to users-admin recently? I seem to have thrown myself out of video and plugdev by running the latest version
[03:45] <jdub> Deft: on hoary/
[03:45] <jdub> ?
[03:45] <jdub> childe: you'll have to get his deb line from his post on the ubuntu-devel mailing list
[03:45] <|QuaD|> 15794 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3158.800 FPS
[03:46] <mazzabr> |QuaD|, full screen?
[03:46] <|QuaD|> no
[03:46] <mazzabr> |QuaD|, which video card?
[03:46] <Deft> jdub, yes, the version with the fancy UI for selecting groups
[03:46] <|QuaD|> 1379 frames in 5.0 seconds = 275.800 FPS
[03:46] <|QuaD|> some old nvidia that i am dual monitoring on
[03:46] <jdub> Deft: could be broken in hoary :)
[03:47] <mazzabr> |QuaD|, well, I'm satisfied, I'm able to run NFSU 1024x768 full quality.
[03:47] <Deft> jdub, Ok, I'll leave it for a few more versions before I look into it then
[03:47] <|QuaD|> 2x 1280x1024
[03:48] <mazzabr> |QuaD|, old nvidea? which one?
[03:48] <|QuaD|> ti4600
[03:48] <mazzabr> |QuaD|, honestly, much better then Radeon 9200 :o)
[03:48] <mazzabr> 64bits. :o)
[03:49] <|QuaD|> haha
[03:49] <gen> i get 200 fps in glxgears, beat that
[03:49] <gen> hurr
[03:49] <billytwowilly> is there any way to make the file copy dialouge boxes more verbose? ie show me the speed at which it is being copied?
[03:50] <mazzabr> |QuaD|, paid so little in this video card.
[03:50] <|QuaD|> heh
[03:50] <mazzabr> |QuaD|, for now is enough.
[03:50] <usual|tv> 16981 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3396.200 FPS
[03:50] <|QuaD|> tiem for me to build a new comp, with new vidcard
[03:50] <escoz> escoz@escoztest:~ $ glxgears
[03:50] <escoz> 2203 frames in 5.0 seconds = 440.600 FPS
[03:51] <mazzabr> mazza@bloodwarz:~ $ glxgears
[03:51] <mazzabr> 2862 frames in 5.0 seconds = 572.400 FPS
[03:51] <Gwildor> i get lik 4k with radeon 7000
[03:51] <escoz> crapy old video card.. :)
[03:51] <usual|tv> geforce4
[03:51] <usual|tv> ti
[03:51] <Gwildor> 4k fps
[03:51] <Gwildor> its crazy.....default mesa drivers and all
[03:51] <mazzabr> sometimes an old video card is enough
[03:51] <usual|tv> nvidia
[03:51] <Els|lappy> can some one help me, i'v just installed ubuntu, and i can;t get to any web pages, i do have in ip address and i can ping the domains.
[03:51] <gen> i have a gf2 gts haha
[03:52] <Gwildor> Els|lappy, you talking to us on the ubuntu box?
[03:52] <mazzabr> Els|lappy, same problem here.
[03:52] <mazzabr> Els|lappy, using adsl?
[03:52] <usual|tv> 21428 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4285.600 FPS
[03:52] <Els|lappy> Gwildor : nope,
[03:52] <Els|lappy> mazzabr  : yep
[03:52] <Gwildor> there you go usual|tv
[03:52] <mazzabr> Els|lappy, : just solved here.
[03:52] <usual|tv> :)\
[03:53] <Els|lappy> <-- adsl modem, router wifi combo :) (dlink dsl-g604t)
[03:53] <mazzabr> Els|lappy, : probably the problem is that you already have your eth0 configured using DHCP.
[03:53] <mazzabr> Els|lappy, : default in instalation.
[03:53] <mazzabr> Els|lappy, : try this
[03:53] <mazzabr> Els|lappy, edit /etc/network/interfaces
[03:54] <mazzabr> Els|lappy, comment auto eth0
[03:54] <usual|tv> maybe I'll put up video tutorials of how to do things in ubuntu
[03:54] <usual|tv> heh
[03:54] <mazzabr> Els|lappy, and iface eth0 inet dhcp
[03:54] <lil_anthony> woo hoo finally figured out how to make gmplayer not give me the alsa /dev/mixer error i'm happy now :)
[03:54] <Gwildor> lol
[03:54] <mazzabr> Els|lappy, : took note?
[03:54] <mazzabr> :o)
[03:54] <Els|lappy> yep
[03:54] <mazzabr> Els, see y ou in 5 minutes.
[03:55] <Els|lappy> lol
[03:55] <mazzabr> Els|lappy, gogogo!
[03:55] <mazzabr> :o)
[03:55] <mazzabr> Els|lappy, hmm... use i to insert
[03:55] <mazzabr> Els|lappy, : use esc to stop inserting
[03:56] <mazzabr> Els|lappy, : use :w to save
[03:56] <mazzabr> Els|lappy, : use :q to quit
[03:56] <lil_anthony> would be against the rules to post a link a free ebook that i find very useful to learn linux? just trying to help is why i ask
[03:56] <mazzabr> Els|lappy, : you can also use pico, installed by default.
[03:56] <Els|lappy> can;t save the file, because it's read only
[03:56] <billytwowilly> does ubuntu have nforce2 support built in? Will I be able to get the network card up and running with the install cd?
[03:56] <Gwildor> lil_anthony, you can pm them too me :)
[03:56] <mazzabr> Els|lappy, : you must use root
[03:56] <lil_anthony> alright
[03:57] <mazzabr> Els|lappy, : if already root, try :w!
[03:57] <mazzabr> Els|lappy, but default installation makes this file rw-r--r--
[03:58] <Els|lappy> or can;t i su as root from my own account ?
[03:58] <mazzabr> Els|lappy, : it didn't for me
[03:58] <mazzabr> Els|lappy, : at GRUB select recovery boot :o)
[03:58] <childe> bg
[03:59] <mazzabr> Els|lappy, : you'll get a root shell.
[03:59] <mazzabr> Els|lappy, : passwd to a password you'll won't forget
[03:59] <mazzabr> Els|lappy, : boot again. :o)
[03:59] <mazzabr> Els|lappy, : I'm getting good on it :o)
[03:59] <mazzabr> Els|lappy, What else?
[04:01] <aasic1> Can someone please help me with adding something to startup?
[04:01] <aasic1> cron ?  init?
[04:01] <mazzabr> aasic1, : first you need to create a startup script.
[04:02] <aasic1> .sh?
[04:02] <mazzabr> aasic1, like de ones you can find in /etc/init.d
[04:02] <aasic1> okay
[04:02] <mazzabr> aasic1, then you need to decide in which runlevel it'll run.
[04:03] <mazzabr> aasic1, once done, you take a look at rc.<runlevel>
[04:03] <mazzabr> I mean, /etc/rc.<runlevel>
[04:04] <mazzabr> aasic1, : at rc.runlevel there are only links, basically to init.d
[04:04] <mazzabr> aasic1, links are executed in alphabetical order.
[04:05] <mazzabr> aasic1, : all you have to do is name your link so it is executed at the right time.
[04:05] <mazzabr> aasic1, : clear?
[04:05] <aasic1> yeah
[04:05] <aasic1> hmm
[04:05] <aasic1> if it changes anything, it's httpd
[04:06] <Els|lappy> mazzabr : still not working
[04:06] <mazzabr> Now it's my turn to ask. where can I find documentation about how to create .deb to Ubuntu repositories.
[04:06] <mazzabr> aasic1, httpd must be started after inetd
[04:06] <mazzabr> Els|lappy, : wtf!
[04:06] <Els|lappy> <- is useing dhcp on a router
[04:07] <ubuntu_hp> hi
[04:07] <mazzabr> Els|lappy, how does your adsl works?
[04:07] <mazzabr> Els|lappy, : may I ask the adsl provider?
[04:07] <Els|lappy> nildram
[04:07] <ubuntu_hp> anyone using ubuntu on HP pavillion laptops?
[04:07] <Els|lappy> but it's 1 ip shaired between 5 pcs
[04:07] <mazzabr> the adsl modem?
[04:07] <Els|lappy> dlink dsl-g604t
[04:08] <childe> jdub: I've installed xcompmgr, but after I used it, when I maximize a window, it occupied all the screen, even covered the GNOME panel.
[04:08] <childe> Is it xcompmgr's bug or GNOME's bug?
[04:08] <mazzabr> Els|lappy, : 5 pcs? 5 real IPs?
[04:08] <electroglas> Anyone know why smb network browsing quit working on Hoary?
[04:08] <jdub> childe: bit of both, really :)
[04:08] <ubuntu_hp> brb guy.. ")
[04:08] <Els|lappy> 5 interil ip (192.168.1.* )
[04:08] <childe> jdub: Have you got the same error when you use it?
[04:08] <mazzabr> Els|lappy, : and a internet router.
[04:08] <jdub> childe: yes
[04:09] <Els|lappy> mazzabr  : bingo
[04:09] <electroglas> I did a fresh install of Warty and smb worked fine. I then changed to Hoary and it quit...
[04:09] <mazzabr> Els|lappy, : so you should't have removed that both lines.
[04:09] <mazzabr> Els|lappy, and you shouldn't also run pppoeconf
[04:10] <mazzabr> Els|lappy, : simply configure eth0 using DHCP.
[04:10] <mazzabr> it should work :o/
[04:10] <mazzabr> Els|lappy, : have you ever tried this?
[04:10] <childe> jdub: OK. But at least I can show my screenshot to my friend who use Mac OS X.
[04:10] <electroglas> "smb:///" is not a valid location error on accessing Windows network
[04:10] <Els|lappy> did not run pppoeconf, but told ubuntu to use dhcp
[04:11] <mazzabr> Els|lappy, : mistery.......
[04:11] <gen> electroglas, i get it also
[04:11] <mazzabr> Els|lappy, sincerely, i don't know.
[04:11] <gen> doesnt break sharing to ubuntu by other machines though
[04:11] <mazzabr> Els|lappy, : i came from slacware TODAY.
[04:11] <mazzabr> Els|lappy:  jdub gave some initial light, and now I'm walking on my on legs.
[04:12] <imanewbie> I've just installed ubuntu
[04:12] <imanewbie> how do I log as root?
[04:12] <gen> why would you want that
[04:13] <imanewbie> cause I have been using linux for ages and I want to install flash, java and this kind of crap
[04:13] <Els|lappy> tbh, i think my router is b0rked
[04:13] <gen> so use sudo
[04:13] <imanewbie> sudo passwd root
[04:13] <imanewbie> ?
[04:13] (ilmari/#ubuntu) imanewbie: do as you were told during the install, use sudo
[04:14] (ilmari/#ubuntu) sudo -s gives you a shell
[04:14] <electroglas> imanewbie - I believe your normal user password will do everything you need
[04:15] <Els|lappy> hole, well, thanks for the help mazzabr
[04:15] <mazzabr> see ya.
[04:19] <imanewbie> cant I damm log as root? =(
[04:19] <electroglas> Loss of smb support reported as bug Bug #4031 on https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4031. Anyone else lose smb with Hoary? Any ideas on how to fix it?
[04:20] <imanewbie> I want to log as root so I can use apt-get =/
[04:21] <jdub> imanewbie: use sudo
[04:21] <jdub> imanewbie: search the FAQ for root to find out more about this
[04:21] <jdub> imanewbie: root is disabled in ubuntu :)
[04:22] <imanewbie> whut?!
[04:22] (ilmari/#ubuntu) imanewbie: you were told during the install
[04:22] <Ruffian|Q|> Everyone, join #dualboot
[04:23] <Gwildor> #dualboot
[04:23] <jdub> electroglas: looks like it wasn't built
[04:23] <Gwildor> tis empty
[04:23] (ilmari/#ubuntu) imanewbie: use sudo. (or aptitude or synaptic, which do it for you)
[04:23] (ilmari/#ubuntu) imanewbie: 'sudo -s' gives you a root shell
[04:24] <jdub> better to use sudo su -
[04:24] <jdub> so you don't mess up root's environment
[04:24] (ilmari/#ubuntu) shoudln't 'sudo -H -s' do the same trick?
[04:24] <imanewbie> oki I got it
[04:24] <jdub> ilmari: not entirely, no
[04:24] <imanewbie> can't I do apt-get install licq?!
[04:24] <imanewbie> can't find the package =(
[04:25] <jdub> imanewbie: use gaim (licq is in universe, which is unsupported - you'll have to enalbe universe yourself if you want to use it)
[04:25] <Ruffian|Q|> Hey everybody, I am trying to get #dualboot started (im the op).  And Im looking for some good ops, with good dual boot experience!  So please join, and help out!
[04:26] <escoz> thanks a lot guys,
[04:26] <escoz> thanks, jdub
[04:26] <escoz> good night
[04:30] <imanewbie> how do I installl kde?
[04:30] <Hikaru79> imanewbie, you could use Synaptic
[04:30] <Amaranth> oh, heh
[04:30] <Amaranth> the ubuntu update manager is a GNOME thing
[04:30] <Amaranth> they just rebrand it
[04:30] <Amaranth> it's new
[04:31] <jdub> it was written for ubuntu
[04:34] <imanewbie> Dudes thanks a lot I think I got it all bye
[04:40] <Nefarous> ndiswrapper question with ubuntu, my wlan0 i/f won't start on boot, I still have to type ifup wlan0 (via sudo) and I even have "auto wlan0" in my interfaces file, help?
[04:41] <BWF89> hey
[04:42] <BWF89> anyone there?
[04:42] <Nefarous> I am here ...
[04:42] <BWF89> yay!
[04:43] <BWF89> I can't copy Ubuntu to my HDD partition 5. weird
[04:43] <imanewbie> hail, sorry bug again, but how do I use apt-get to install kde?
[04:43] <Riddell> imanewbie: sudo apt-get install kde
[04:43] <cbpye> w00t
[04:43] <Riddell> or `sudo apt-get install kdelibs kdebase` if you don't want everything
[04:43] <cbpye> got NVidia drivers going
[04:44] <Riddell> imanewbie: you need to have universe allowed
[04:44] <Nefarous> BWF89: more detail?
[04:44] <|QuaD|> imanewbie: if you are a newbie, why are you going to kde?
[04:44] <|QuaD|> why not use the one that is meant for ubuntu
[04:45] <BWF89> Nef: when Ubuntu live cd boots up it gives me all my options and says "copy to hdd parition 1" why doesn't it have HDD partition 5?
[04:45] <Nefarous> BWF89: hmmm, haven't used the live CD myself, just the install CD ...
[04:46] <BWF89> I tried to install Fefora Core 2 to my partition 5 and it wouldn't work either
[04:46] <cbpye> Hi, My name's CBPye, I'm somewhat new to debain-ish distros, and was wondering how I could easily install this deb I downloaded?
[04:46] <BWF89> NOTE: Partition 5 is my WinXP backup partition. I deleted it to try to install Linux
[04:46] <BWF89> it's only 2.75 gigs
[04:47] <Nefarous> BWF89: what's fdisk -l say for that partition?
[04:47] <BWF89> what
[04:47] <Nefarous> BWF89: can you determine what partition type it is, etc?
[04:47] <thoreauputic> cbpye: the answer is probably: don't. Instead use the synaptic package manager
[04:47] <BWF89> I think it's FAT32
[04:48] <BWF89> i THINK
[04:48] <thoreauputic> cbpye: what is the .deb?
[04:48] <Ruffian|Q|> Anyone here who knows alot about dual booting, please join #dualboot.  I am trying to get it started to help people out with multiple bootloaders (GRUB, GDBS tm, LILO, Windows Loader, and others)  Please join, and if you qualify, you get ops!
[04:48] <cbpye> point2play 1.3.2 (I'm a transgaming subscriber)
[04:48] <Nefarous> BWF89: maybe it's trying to keep you from shooting yourself in foot ... hmmm, ...
[04:48] <imanewbie> cant  Iapt-get install kde?
[04:48] <Ruffian|Q|> yes
[04:49] <Ruffian|Q|> just dont be using it
[04:49] <imanewbie> how?
[04:49] <Nefarous> BWF89: again, I haven't dealt with live cd ... it was pretty straightforward with the install
[04:49] <BWF89> I'm saving up to get my own PC so I won't have to worry for awhile
[04:49] <BWF89> I just use this live cd so I can use IRC chat
[04:49] <Nefarous> cbpye: use dpkg --install <filename>.deb
[04:49] <thoreauputic> cbpye: OK in that case it won't be in the repositories. You can try using :  sudo dpkg -i <name_of_deb>
[04:50] <BWF89> does anyone know what "internet time" is?
[04:50] <thoreauputic> either dpkg -i or dpkg --install should work
[04:50] <Nefarous> ndiswrapper question with ubuntu, my wlan0 i/f won't start on boot, I still have to type ifup wlan0 (via sudo) and I even have "auto wlan0" in my interfaces file, help?
[04:50] <deFrysk> time waisted
[04:51] <socomm> BWF89: http://www.google.com
[04:51] <BWF89> it says it's @994 internet time now
[04:51] <BWF89> k
[04:52] <jdub> BWF89: it's a wacky thing swatch thought would be a good idea
[04:52] <jdub> BWF89: kinda like decimal time ;)
[04:52] <cbpye> w00t
[04:52] <cbpye> workin'
[04:52] <BWF89> what is decmal time?
[04:52] <thoreauputic> Nefarous: quick and dirty solution might be to edit /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh and add that command at the end (not really the "Debian way" but should work)
[04:53] <Nefarous> thoreauputic: thanks ...
[04:53] <cbpye> thanks for the help guys
[04:53] <BWF89> you guys want to read something funny? http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/11/22/2247248
[04:54] <jdub> BWF89: time based on 10 rather than 12
[04:54] <thoreauputic> Nefarous: try it and see... I think it will work: obviously you need to use sudo to edit that file
[04:54] <BWF89> hmmm
[04:54] <cbpye> I may end up liking Ubuntu.  dpkg is enough like slackware's installpkg to make me feel at home.
[04:54] <jdub> BWF89: (or really, 10000 or whatever swatch used)
[04:54] <BWF89> but we have 24 hours not 20
[04:54] <jdub> BWF89: internet time uses 10000 clicks or something
[04:54] <jdub> BWF89: it's totally different
[04:54] <jdub> BWF89: and also totally irrelevant ;)
[04:55] <BWF89> it's just something they put on ubuntu so they can say AH HA! WE HAVE GOT INTERNET TIME! and windows doesn't kind of thign right
[04:56] <socomm> BWF89: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_time
[04:56] <jdub> BWF89: no, it's a gnome thing. i don't know why it hasn't been removed yet.
[04:56] <ajmitch_> jdub: surely there'd be thousands of users complaining if it's removed?
[04:57] <socomm> BWF89: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatch_Internet_time
[04:58] <jdub> ajmitch_: somehow i don't think so :)
[04:58] <socomm> BWF89: that's probably the one you'd like to read.
[04:58] <BWF89> pretty interesting thx
[04:58] <BWF89> gotta go to bed
[04:58] <BWF89> cya guys tomarrow
[04:58] <ajmitch_> jdub: do you know if anyone is working on a gnome nx client?
[04:58] <jdub> ajmitch_: nup, haven't heard
[04:58] <socomm> ajmitch_: I'm sure there are millions of users that don't know of it's exsistence [sp?] . :^P
[04:58] <BWF89> CYA
[05:00] <ajmitch_> jdub: ok, I just thought it might be useful, since the libs are available under the GPL
[05:00] <htaccess> ajmitch_: where you ever in DunLUG?
[05:00] <jdub> ajmitch_: it'd be g-rad
[05:00] <ajmitch_> htaccess: yes
[05:01] <htaccess> thought i recognised thename
[05:01] <ajmitch_> heh
[05:01] <ajmitch_> I'm just in aus for a few weeks
[05:03] <|QuaD|> what are decent ide's other than kdevelop?
[05:03] <|QuaD|> comparable for gtk
[05:03] <cbpye> anyone know how to enable scrollwheel-on-the-desktop-for-changing-workspaces?
[05:03] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) |QuaD|: anjuta
[05:03] <thoreauputic> |QuaD|: anjuta is one
[05:04] <|QuaD|> any others?
[05:04] <socomm> anjuta is *the one*
[05:04] <|QuaD|> heh
[05:04] <socomm> Eclipse maybe?
[05:06] <|QuaD|> i was just curious what choices were out there
[05:06] <ubuntu_hp> hello
[05:06] <socomm> Hello.
[05:06] <ubuntu_hp> need some help with configuring sound on my hp laptop :)
[05:06] <socomm> |QuaD|: Anjuta is probably the best alternative to kdevelop.
[05:06] <|QuaD|> ok :)
[05:07] <ubuntu_hp> anyone?
[05:10] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) hrmm
[05:10] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) im doing an upgrade and anythign whcih does something this > 11:58 <@neil> tat
[05:10] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) not that
[05:10] <htaccess> obviously doensnt know about the freenode school of dont ask to ask just ask
[05:10] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) gconftool-2 --makefile-install-rule /usr/share/gconf/schemas/yelp.schemas
[05:10] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) that
[05:10] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) just sits there, if i strace it its hung on a poll()
[05:13] <mass> hmm, any hints on getting cyrus working? I'm having cyrus probs
[05:14] <socomm> Don't you just hated when people come on here and ask for help?
[05:15] <socomm> :^P
[05:16] <ajmitch_> socomm: sure, but isn't that why most people come here? :)
[05:16] <ubuntu-geek> any channel ops around?
[05:16] <mass> hmm, I don't mind at all
[05:17] <ajmitch_> helping people can be good
[05:17] <|rufius|> yay for splits!
[05:18] <socomm> Yikes, NetSplit.
[05:19] <neighborlee> hey guys does ubuntu have kde now as well ?
[05:19] <neighborlee> verifying for someone
[05:20] <neighborlee> you know..windows converts LOL
[05:20] <deFrysk> not really
[05:20] <socomm> neighborlee: you mean as on the CD?
[05:20] <neighborlee> no...in repos.
[05:20] <socomm> neighborlee: it is in the default reps.
[05:20] <neighborlee> I thought it might be
[05:20] <socomm> s/reps/repos
[05:20] <neighborlee> ok thx
[05:20] <neighborlee> yeah
[05:20] <socomm> Yeah just `apt-get install kde', all should be well.
[05:21] <jdub> socomm: it's in the unsupported universe repo.
[05:22] <socomm> jdub: but it's there. :^/
[05:23] <imanewbie> anyone using kde?
[05:24] <thoreauputic> I try to avoid it, but very occasionally I do </joke>
[05:24] <ajmitch_> yes, but on sid, not ubuntu
[05:25] <EricNeon> ubuntu=debian+gnome
[05:25] <EricNeon> no kde
[05:25] <imanewbie> =/
[05:25] <thoreauputic> EricNeon: it's possible to install KDE
[05:25] <EricNeon> possible?
[05:26] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, lol
[05:26] <thoreauputic> EricNeon: scroll up ;)
[05:26] <imanewbie> how is it possible?
[05:26] <neighborlee> EricNeon, and i'm glad of it...enough kde already LOL
[05:26] <deFrysk> start with kdebase and continue from there
[05:26] <thoreauputic> quote>> <jdub> socomm: it's in the unsupported universe repo.
[05:26] <deFrysk> the kde metapack does not work
[05:27] <need_help> hello room
[05:27] <EricNeon> I had not used KDE
[05:28] <need_help> any tips on configuring alsa?
[05:28] <socomm> EricNeon: I've installed kde from the Universe repo without much fuss, but that was a few months back.
[05:28] <EricNeon> lol
[05:29] <thoreauputic> need_help: waiting for the right phase of the moon and sacrificing your first-born can help
[05:29] <jjh> I concur
[05:30] <EricNeon> many pepole like talk about KDE or gnome in chinese
[05:31] <EricNeon> they maybe brush day and day
[05:31] <imanewbie> how do I change my repositories for universal?
[05:31] <socomm> need_help: why don't you tell us what your problem is, we may be able to help.
[05:31] <socomm> imanewbie: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:32] <EricNeon> apt-setup
[05:32] <need_help> sure.. was scared to open my mouth after that!
[05:32] <EricNeon> choose a mirrors near by you
[05:32] <Lowry> Are the forums ok http://www.ubuntuforums.org/?
[05:33] <Lowry> I get the test page
[05:33] <need_help> im trying to get sound up on my laptop
[05:33] <need_help> its using the atiixp driver
[05:33] <need_help> i can modprobe it okay.. but .. kinda lost how to proceed after that
[05:34] <imanewbie> socomm: thx
[05:34] <thoreauputic> need_help: if it works when you modprobe it, put it in /etc/modules
[05:34] <thoreauputic> then it should load on boot
[05:35] <need_help> i can modprobe the module. but alsamixer doesnt work.
[05:35] <need_help> it fails. no sound device found
[05:35] <thoreauputic> need_help: try running alsaconf after you modprobe
[05:35] <need_help> is alsaconf installed by default?
[05:35] <thoreauputic> sudo alasconf actually
[05:36] <socomm> need_help: yes
[05:36] <thoreauputic> *alsaconf
[05:36] <need_help> thanks.. trying now
[05:36] <need_help> yeah.. lol.. alas..
[05:36] <thoreauputic> oh , alas , me alsa has gone away, .... lalala
[05:37] <EricNeon> hoho
[05:39] <imanewbie> use a walkman =)
[05:39] <need_help> umm guys.. cant find alsaconf
[05:39] <EricNeon>  dining
[05:39] <thoreauputic> "Alas, poor alsa, I knew him well... a fellow of infinite jest"
[05:40] <zuluwarrior> hi
[05:40] <jmhodges> heya
[05:40] <jmhodges> madsen, the fix from last night didnt work :-/
[05:41] <mitochondyu> hot question!~
[05:41] <mitochondyu> how to make xscreensaver to use as wallpaper?
[05:41] <mitochondyu> anyone?
[05:42] <socomm> mitochondyu: -root
[05:42] <zuluwarrior> i had some general questions about ubuntu, being a newbie at linux and it looking really good
[05:42] <thoreauputic> mitochondyu: find the hck you want, and run it on the root window
[05:42] <jmhodges> ok, im on the ubuntu live cd and i've got a ubuntu partition on this drive that i can't reach due to a windows install overwriting the MBR
[05:42] <jmhodges> how the heck do i get it back to the way it was?
[05:42] <mitochondyu> ????
[05:42] <mitochondyu> xscreensaver -root>?
[05:42] <mitochondyu> am really newb here
[05:42] <mitochondyu> sprry
[05:42] <zuluwarrior> knoppix
[05:42] <socomm> mitochondyu: you need to run the screen saver with the -root flag.
[05:42] <thoreauputic> mitochondyu: no
[05:43] <jmhodges> i tried using the grub command line, but "install (hd0,0)/boot/grub/stage1 (hd0) (hd0,0)/boot/grub/stage2" didnt seem to do it
[05:43] <mitochondyu> an example will be really appreciated
[05:43] <thoreauputic> mitochondyu: hold on a minute
[05:43] <mitochondyu> very newb here
[05:43] <mitochondyu> thanks alot tho
[05:43] <socomm> mitochondyu: let me check.
[05:43] <mitochondyu> thanks so
[05:44] <jmhodges> can anybody help me with my grub-fu ?
[05:45] <thoreauputic> mitochondyu: for instance, firat try running e.g.  /usr/lib/xscreensaver/drift
[05:45] <socomm> mitochondyu: the screen saver are under /usr/lib/xscreensaver
[05:45] <thoreauputic> mitochondyu: it should run in a window (run it from a terminal, just as above)
[05:45] <need_help> socomm.. sorry pal.. but I cant find alsaconf
[05:45] <mitochondyu> ok so i type,  xscreensaver -root /usr,,....???
[05:46] <socomm> mitochondyu: you can run a screensaver like so /usr/lib/xscreensaver/goop -root
[05:46] <thoreauputic> mitochondyu: the -root option is given to the particular program
[05:46] <mitochondyu> ok let me try thanks alot guys
[05:47] <s0cks> Hey people
[05:47] <thoreauputic> mitochondyu: no, you type /usr/lib/xscreensaver/name-of-hack-here -root
[05:47] <jjh> jmhodges: man grub-install
[05:47] <socomm> need_help: apt-cache search alsaconf
[05:47] <need_help> trying
[05:47] <socomm> need_help: apt-get install alsa-utils
[05:47] <need_help> alsa utils is installed
[05:48] <Lowry> later
[05:48] <socomm> make sure you typed alsaconf not alasconf
[05:48] <socomm> :P
[05:48] <thoreauputic> need_help: you need to run alsaconf with sudo, BTW
[05:48] <socomm> yeah sudo alsaconf
[05:48] <thoreauputic> socomm: heheh
[05:48] <need_help> yup.. running it
[05:48] <need_help> with sudo
[05:48] <jmhodges> jjh, i've..
[05:48] <jmhodges> argh..
[05:48] <socomm> hmmm doesn't seem like alsaconf is here
[05:49] <need_help> yeah.. where the hell did it go?
[05:49] <thoreauputic> sudo apt-get install alsa-utils
[05:49] <mitochondyu> hmmm... it will display it in a window box, but not as wallpaper
[05:49] <zuluwarrior> is the kernel that is installed with ubuntu heavily modified, or can one install a vanilla kernel? Or, instead does ubuntu include the kernel sources with installation?
[05:50] <mitochondyu> :((
[05:50] <jmhodges> jjh, that doesn't work at all, it gives me issues about missing /lib files
[05:50] <thoreauputic> mitochondyu: it will - you just need the right -root flag
[05:50] <need_help> thanks.. guys ..
[05:50] <need_help> be back in a lil while
[05:50] <mitochondyu> using -root dont display anything
[05:50] <thoreauputic> mitochondyu: see if there's a man page for the hack you are running
[05:50] <mitochondyu> hack?
[05:50] <jmhodges> grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/hda1/boot/grub/ /dev/hda
[05:50] <jmhodges> cp: listing attributes of `//lib/grub/i386-pc/stage1': Unknown error 524
[05:50] <thoreauputic> mitochondyu: this is in gnome, right?
[05:51] <mitochondyu> yupe
[05:51] <socomm> mitochondyu: that's because nautilus is over your -root window
[05:51] <mitochondyu> oh so what to do?
[05:51] <jjh> jmhodges: did you mount your ubuntu partition?
[05:51] <socomm> kill nautilus
[05:51] <jmhodges> jjh, well yes
[05:51] <thoreauputic> mitochondyu: gnome has a silly thing where it writes on the root window -- as a result things that want to run on that window don't get seen
[05:51] <socomm> or find the name of the nautilus window
[05:51] <jmhodges> jjh, and i also try /mnt/hda1
[05:52] <jjh> jmhodges: chroot into it and try running grub-install
[05:52] <thoreauputic> mitochondyu: what socomm says ^^^
[05:52] <mitochondyu> ok, guess am gonna kill nautilus and try again
[05:52] <mitochondyu> thanks again guys
[05:52] <zuluwarrior> are the kernel sources included with the install cd?
[05:53] <jmhodges> jjh, that doesn't work since chroot does not create the proper /devs
[05:53] <socomm> zuluwarrior: think so, though not installed by default.
[05:53] <jmhodges> er.. /dev's
[05:53] <zuluwarrior> i have some patches i must apply for my hardware :|
[05:53] <thoreauputic> zuluwarrior: I don't think so
[05:53] <jmhodges> i've been down this road before..
[05:53] <jjh> ok
[05:53] <zuluwarrior> wow, 2 different answeres hehe
[05:53] <socomm> zuluwarrior: mount the cd and see for yourself.
[05:53] <Rene_S> I can come up with something and make it 3 if ya like
[05:54] <jmhodges> jjh, /sbin/grub-install: line 479: /dev/null: Permission denied
[05:54] <jmhodges> The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly.
[05:54] <s0cks> Hey people.
[05:54] <jmhodges> the first of those two is repeated ~10 times
[05:54] <jjh> you're root too?
[05:54] <thoreauputic> why would kernel sources be on the CD? Few people would need them , and they are apt-gettable
[05:54] <jjh> oh, I see what you mean
[05:55] <socomm> thoreauputic: for those who don't have access to the internet.
[05:55] <jmhodges> jjh, yes, i am :)
[05:55] <socomm> thoreauputic: and to roll your own kernel :^/
[05:56] <jmhodges> jjh, its a root terminal, and then i tossed sudo on top of that just to be sure
[05:56] <thoreauputic> socomm: ah, but then you would need a seven CD set a-la-Debian ;-)
[05:56] <zuluwarrior> because thoreauputic, i have patches i must install for my hardware to work properly, like the battery indicator and other acpi stuff
[05:56] <socomm> thoreauputic: the kernel is only like ~30 megs.
[05:57] <thoreauputic> zuluwarrior: yes, I understand - maybe what you need is linux-headers or linux-source
[05:57] <zuluwarrior> oh maybe, i am new to linux so i dont know
[05:57] <cbpye> anyone got a source address for synaptic that will include wxPython or PyGTK?
[05:57] <socomm> ~35.4 to be exact.
[05:57] <jjh> jmhodges: so there are no dev's under the chrooted directory?
[05:57] <thoreauputic> they changed the name from kernel-headers I believe
[05:58] <zuluwarrior> can you use the linux source to somehow inject the patches into the kernel?
[05:58] <socomm> zuluwarrior: you can compile modules and load them that way.
[05:58] <socomm> zuluwarrior: but if you have to patch the whole kernel, you'll have to roll your own.
[05:59] <zuluwarrior> oh that sounds complicated :|
[05:59] <bborkk> cbpye: Which version of wxPython are you looking for?
[05:59] <zuluwarrior> that is what i have to do though
[05:59] <jmhodges> jjh, no, chroot just doesn't make the proper devs.. even though im root, it claims that /dev/null cannot be touched by grub-install
[05:59] <socomm> zuluwarrior: not really.
[05:59] <jmhodges> which is ludicrous
[05:59] <socomm> zuluwarrior: it's a snap once you get the hang of it.
[05:59] <cbpye> bborkk: one that works well with BitTornado.
[06:00] <socomm> zuluwarrior: http://linuxjunior.org/cgi-bin/pet/pet.cgi?SUBMIT=Display&id=110
[06:00] <jmhodges> root@ubuntu:/# grub-install /dev/hda
[06:00] <jmhodges> /sbin/grub-install: line 477: /dev/null: Permission denied
[06:00] <zuluwarrior> so if install ubuntu, and then apt-get the kernel sources, and then apply the patches, and then roll the kernel, it would work? and nothing that worked before would be broken?
[06:00] <jmhodges> crw-rw-rw-  1 root root 1, 3 Oct 29 15:15 /dev/null
[06:00] <jmhodges> see?
[06:00] <jjh> I see
[06:00] <socomm> zuluwarrior: yes assuming that you use ubuntu's kernel config.
[06:01] <zuluwarrior> yes that is what i would use i suppose
[06:01] <bborkk> cbpye: Well, there's a big difference between wxPython 2.4 and 2.5.
[06:02] <socomm> zuluwarrior: yes that should do it, just the same kernel with new functionality.
[06:02] <zuluwarrior> cool
[06:02] <zuluwarrior> i think i almost have enough confidence to install this ubuntu :O
[06:02] <bborkk> cbpye: 2.4 should be available from any standard Debian unstable repository.  2.5 is available from experimental repositories.  Check the Debian packages website for exact addresses.
[06:03] <socomm> zuluwarrior: good luck.
[06:03] <socomm> I'm off to bed now, cya guys.
[06:03] <zuluwarrior> good night
[06:04] <jmhodges> so anyone know whtas going on with this?
[06:04] <jmhodges> ..
[06:07] <bborkk> Anyone have any success with ACPI, wireless (ipw2200), and a FireGL card working together in harmony?
[06:08] <jmhodges> argh! i have so much in that partition.. fsck
[06:12] <jmhodges> oh fsck.. apparently my stage2 file is missing
[06:19] <wildcode> anyone here installed fglrx-driver without issue ... I get it installed and use the fglrxconfig, but X is refusing to use the fglrx driver ... it keeps telling me its using indirect more
[06:19] <wildcode> mode
[06:20] <wildcode> its also saying that XFree86-DRI extention is missing
[06:39] <billytwowilly> I'm trying to create a 120 gig partition on a 160 gig drive so I can software raid it with 2 120 gig drives. It won't create a 120 gig partion, just 119.9 saying 120 is too large. Why is this doing that?
[06:40] <Tomcat_> Uh.
[06:40] <Tomcat_> 120 Gig sounds like one of those magical addressing marks...
[06:41] <billytwowilly> the 120's show a primary partition of 120.0 GB
[06:41] <billytwowilly> it's 137 gb isn't it?
[06:41] <billytwowilly> This is a brand new nforce2 board
[06:41] <Tomcat_> Yeah 137 as well, but I think I've read something about 120 GB-problems as well...
[06:41] <Tomcat_> Mh...
[06:41] <billytwowilly> can you point me to anything?
[06:41] <Tomcat_> No idea then.
[06:41] <Tomcat_> No, I'm not really one of the techies here anyway. :)
[06:41] <Chib1> My partition is 10 gigs D:
[06:41] <Chib1> 160*
[06:42] <billytwowilly> oh well... 400 mb isn't that big a deal I suppose..
[06:42] <wildcode> ok, got fglrx working, eventually
[06:43] <wildcode> can someone please explain why I can only use 1 net application at a time, ie: if I try to open the browser and goto goole, I get dns issues, but if I close xchat then open the browser and goto google, it works np
[06:43] <nevyn> that's whack.
[06:43] <Tomcat_> wildcode: Bad router or modem?
[06:44] <Tomcat_> I've heard that some routers have problems with the many connections of P2P apps... maybe yours has taken it a step further. :)
[06:44] <wildcode> Tomcat_, nar, works fine in windows without touching the router
[06:44] <Tomcat_> Oh, alright.
[06:45] <billytwowilly> hmm.
[06:45] <mario> Hello
[06:45] <billytwowilly> the software raid thing says "When RAID is configured, no additional changes to the partitions in the disks containing phsical volumes are allowed." Does this mean I can't change partitions on the same disk as a software raid partition, or just that I can't change the partitions in the software raid?
[06:48] <mario> I found a bug on Eye of GNOME, may be it's reported, or isn't a bug, but in two Ubuntu machine this freeze the system.  When EOG show a image, resize the paned complete to left, and then resize very very slow to right, this freeze my GNOME.
[06:49] <tolstoy-> is there a nice readme for ssh'ing from one ubuntu to another and running X software?  It used to be so easy...
[06:51] <stuNNed> tolstoy-, set it in sshd_config then 'ssh -X user@host' afaik
[06:51] <stuNNed> tolstoy-, and restart sshd of course
[06:52] <Chib1> tolstoy- FreeNX? :/
[06:52] <cowbud> java?
[06:52] <cowbud> FAq
[06:52] <cowbud> hrmm no match
[06:52] <cowbud> ahh
[06:52] <cowbud> :)
[06:52] <tolstoy-> Hm. sshd_config has ForwardX11 to "yes".  Is that what you meant?  Seemed installed that way.
[06:52] <stuNNed> yep
[06:53] <tolstoy-> I'll try the -X
[06:53] <tolstoy-> Ah, that did it.
[06:53] <tolstoy-> Who'd've thought.
[06:55] <billytwowilly> Is the installer supposed to only let me configure a software RAID0 or RAID1 and not RAID5, or have I done something wrong?
[06:56] <dr_willis> hmm - i set up this windo2ws machine with raid. :P it seemed to help a lot. Need to try it in linux sometime.
[06:56] <billytwowilly> dr_willis,  linux raid destroys windows raid. Linux can do it in software
[06:57] <dr_willis> that remminds me - this new machine  i built had a serial ata raid controller that could do raid 0, or raid 1, or raid 1/0 - But I saw no mention of what '1/0' does.
[06:57] <dr_willis> billytwowilly,  but if the hardware is there - isent it a better idea to let it do it in hardware.
[06:57] <billytwowilly> dr_willis, Depends. you may well get better performance out of software
[06:58] <dr_willis> seems most every new motherboard has onboard raid these days. this is the first machine ive actually used it in.
[06:58] <billytwowilly> dr_willis, you will take a cpu hit though. 15-20 % to do raid 5 on a decent machine.. atleast that's what I've been quoted
[06:58] <OrngeTide> hrm. ubuntu has the best installation program for a ppc linux distro. nice
[06:58] <billytwowilly> some onboard raid cards suck hardcore. Your mileage may vary.
[06:58] <dr_willis> yea - im not even sure what raid 5 does. :P i just wanted SPEED on the xp box.
[06:59] <dr_willis> OrngeTide,  heh - i used linux on my little old imac ages ago.. and it wasent pretty... :P
[06:59] <billytwowilly> dr_willis, http://linux.cudeso.be/raid.php
[06:59] <OrngeTide> dr_willis, ah. i used to run gentoo on this ibook but gentoo got in a wierd state where i couldn't fix it unless i rebuilt gcc for ppc on some other machine. so i gave up on it.
[07:00] <billytwowilly> basically, raid0= fast, but no fault tolerence, one drive goes and you are screwed for the whole array. raid one is just mirrored. raid 5= parity blocks on each drive so you get fast but you also get fault tolerence
[07:00] <htaccess_> OrngeTide: do you dual boot osx?
[07:00] <dr_willis> yea - i am still tyrying to figure out what the MB manual ment by Raid 1/0
[07:00] <OrngeTide> raid5 can only tolerate single failures. but that's  better than nothing.
[07:01] <dr_willis> that page mentioons raid 1+0, but not sure they are talking the same.
[07:01] <billytwowilly> dr_willis, you need 4 drives to do that.
[07:01] <billytwowilly> dr_willis, basically, it is a raid 0 of 2 or more raid 1 arrays
[07:01] <OrngeTide> htaccess_, yea. although mainly because linux support for the original airport card is mediocre.
[07:01] <dr_willis> billytwowilly,  yea thats what i just read.
[07:02] <dr_willis> so it still makes me wonder what the mb manual ment by raid 1/0 - perhaps they were to refering to a setting where you used EITHER raid 0 or 1
[07:02] <billytwowilly> dr_willis,  that page is quite decent for explaining. God bless google;)
[07:02] <dr_willis> But heck - this little box is decent for me now. :P
[07:02] <OrngeTide> i used to have linux only on this machine. but when i broke down and paid for osx 10.3 i started doing dual boot. (10.3 is a lot faster on this rage128-based ibook than PB - 10.2 was)
[07:02] <dr_willis> billytwowilly,  right :p i think the mb manual is the error
[07:02] <billytwowilly> dr_willis, they probably mean RIAD 10
[07:02] <dr_willis> OrngeTide,  my pooor little imac dv barely handles OS-X :) but it sure looks purty!
[07:03] <dr_willis> billytwowilly,  heh - i dont see how the MB can do that. it just has 2, serial ata cionectors.
[07:03] <OrngeTide> we use 48-drive LVM at work. linux performs pretty well. managed to max out the bandwidth of 48 sata150 7200rpm drives just as a few raid5s
[07:03] <OrngeTide> dr_willis, yea. that's really pushing it for osx.
[07:04] <dr_willis> OrngeTide,  heh its just a little 'ssh' to the linux box machine. and some light web surfing. so it does its job.
[07:04] <dr_willis> poor imac's monitor is slowly dieing out on me. *sigh*
[07:04] <OrngeTide> my ibook is 500mhz and has 256mb ram. so osx is pretty reasonable on it
[07:04] <dr_willis> yea i need more ram for it. but its barely wiorth the efrfort. the thing is only used a few hrs a month.
[07:05] <OrngeTide> i use it for a dvd player to my tv (star trek:ds9) while i download stuff, what more could i ask for out of a laptop. :)
[07:05] <dr_willis> i noticed the imac dv. i got plays dvd.. but when they come out.. they are very very very warm..
[07:06] <OrngeTide> dr_willis, linux on it with a light-weight window manager (ion, blackbox, etc) would make it a pretty handy remote terminal.
[07:06] <dr_willis> sad that apple couldent put a little fan in the case at least.
[07:06] <dr_willis> OrngeTide,  yea. :P i use vnc/ssh on it is about all.
[07:06] <dr_willis> kids ocasionally use it for web surfing/yahoo when iother pcs are busy
[07:06] <OrngeTide> they should've but a subwoofer in the case. then to cool it you could turn up the volume and push the hot air out like a pump. :)
[07:07] <Arioc1> Could someone help me with a widescreen resolution problem?
[07:07] <OrngeTide> i really like the eMac .. it's cheap and fast. i'm probably going to get one of those next.
[07:07] <dr_willis> hee hee - i considered ripping apart the imac dv. and trying to get it into a more normal pc case.
[07:07] <OrngeTide> don't bother. they are worth quite a bit on ebay as is
[07:08] <OrngeTide> since they have a lot of upgrade potential people(suckers) will pay extra
[07:08] <dr_willis> I just build a AMD64 pc
[07:08] <Arioc1> Anyone?
[07:08] <billytwowilly> anyone what?
[07:08] <billytwowilly> oh
[07:08] <billytwowilly> nm
[07:08] <OrngeTide> it turns out that an upgradable mac is worth almost as much as the same model that has all the upgrades(processor, ram, hdd, etc)
[07:09] <Arioc1> Widescreen resolution problem...
[07:10] <OrngeTide> there are cpu kits for imac dv to do a faster G3 or a G4 on it. even though those kits cost almost as much as a new mac, people will tl buy them on ebay.
[07:11] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) haha
[07:11] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) I bought a playstation 2 s/h from EB
[07:11] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) and I'm selling it for more on ebay
[07:11] <Surt> you could always run os x on your pc
[07:11] <Amaranth> i have pearpc
[07:12] <Surt> k?
[07:12] <Amaranth> I already run OS X on my PC. :P
[07:12] <Surt> thanks for sharing
[07:12] <Rene_S> How well does that work ?
[07:12] <Amaranth> It doesn't. :P
[07:12] <Surt> http://infinity.servebeer.com/~surtq/PearPC.jpg
[07:12] <cowbud> is it just me or does it seem logical that with multi desktops if I open an application then change desktops that application should still appear on the desktop it was originally started on?
[07:12] <Surt> pearpc works
[07:13] <Amaranth> I was one of the first to wait the 8 hours for an OS X install on it.
[07:13] <Amaranth> But it isn't usable.
[07:13] <Surt> just gotta put a lil elbow greese into it
[07:13] <cowbud> Amaranth: hah
[07:13] <Surt> well yeah
[07:13] <OrngeTide> Surt, i'm trying to get rid of my pcs. pcs stink
[07:13] <Surt> 8 hours?
[07:13] <gen> pcs don't stink
[07:13] <Surt> how crap
[07:13] <Amaranth> Surt: Did you ever use 0.1?
[07:13] <OrngeTide> my only pc i like is an 800mhz via c3. :P
[07:14] <Surt> needs abotu half a gig of memory allocated to it to run decent
[07:14] <OrngeTide> my athlon is just a pig.
[07:14] <cowbud> PCs are cheaper hardware
[07:14] <OrngeTide> yea. *cheap*
[07:14] <cowbud> and therefore win in my book
[07:14] <OrngeTide> cheaply made:P
[07:14] <gen> orngetide, hush
[07:14] <cowbud> yah well I have sat down at plenty of macs and been surprised at how slow applications react..
[07:14] <Surt> macs tend to be better hardware if you care to put 4 grand into a machine
[07:14] <cowbud> I see no insentive to move to Mac
[07:14] <gen> cowbud, same
[07:14] <billytwowilly> anyone want to post in here the warty metaverse deb source and save me the trouble of finding another mouse to find it on this computer?
[07:15] <Amaranth> a Pentium M with SSE3 and x86-64 for the desktop would _rock_
[07:15] <OrngeTide> Surt, yea. that's the problem i have. I just buy a pcs and use the money left over to buy anime
[07:15] <Surt> lol
[07:15] <Amaranth> that thing can run at 600Mhz and use 3.5W of power
[07:15] <Rene_S> Well Mac does, apparently alot of there new sales are a direct connection from there ipod sales
[07:15] <OrngeTide> Amaranth, oh man. that would be nice. i wish the pentium m mini-itx boards were more available
[07:15] <Surt> i find the complete lack of a moderator in here...
[07:15] <Amaranth> and you can cool it without a fan
[07:15] <Surt> ...scary
[07:15] <Surt> lol
[07:15] <gen> this is so incredibly off topic guys
[07:15] <Surt> *operator
[07:16] <Surt> you could run ubuntu on a mac
[07:16] <OrngeTide> my athlon only has two fans in it. one for the power supply. and one for the radiator. :)
[07:16] <Surt> so it isn't _that_ ot
[07:16] <OrngeTide> Surt, i'm installing ubuntu on my ibook right now.
[07:16] <Surt> lol
[07:16] <Rene_S> Well if I buy a mac and an Ipod i will be sure to run Ubuntu on it .... back on topic
[07:16] <Amaranth> What a waste of a good iBook.
[07:16] <Amaranth> :P
[07:16] <gen> a newer ibook?
[07:16] <OrngeTide> nice thing is that ssh seems to work find while it's doing all it's apt-get and final installation crap.
[07:17] <OrngeTide> laptops have slow harddrives so this sort of stuff takes forever.
[07:17] <OrngeTide> gen, no. i have a white dual-usb 500mhz G3 ibook
[07:17] <gen> k
[07:17] <Surt> i kinda like os x
[07:17] <OrngeTide> it's a replacement for my ugly toilet seat ibook g3 that i smashed
[07:17] <Surt> if i had a newer mac i'd just leave it
[07:18] <Surt> that reminds me
[07:18] <Amaranth> OS X > Ubuntu > * ;)
[07:18] <Amaranth> Soon DragonflyBSD might move Ubuntu out of the #2 position.
[07:18] <gen> position in what
[07:18] <OrngeTide> os x is actually setup better than linux right now for me. there aren't any good linux ppc patches to swap capslock and control. but there is uControl for osx that does a great job at it. (i gotta have ctrl next to A)
[07:20] <OrngeTide> well osx doesn't support a lot of my weird junk i have. like i use a funny cheap usb serial adapter on my ibook to debug my gumstix ( http://www.gumstix.com/ )
[07:20] <OrngeTide> Surt, yea. i used to do that. but i ended up with about 3 cheap keyboards piling up in my trash and thought it was silly
[07:20] <Amaranth> OrngeTide: damn, i was going to ask you if you were a sun fan right before you pointed that out
[07:21] <Surt> :p
[07:21] <Surt> no keyboards
[07:21] <Surt> don't think i have ever had a keyboard break on my
[07:21] <OrngeTide> i have some sparc stations and stuff. but they are too noisey to really play with.
[07:21] <Surt> *me
[07:21] <Amaranth> OrngeTide: Threaten to gun down your coworkers if they don't use an OSI approved license for Solaris. :)
[07:21] <OrngeTide> surt, oh. i'm always breaking them.
[07:21] <Surt> lol
[07:21] <Amaranth> all my keyboards where broken by me
[07:21] <Surt> well that is a different
[07:22] <Surt> i break mice instead
[07:22] <Amaranth> the one i'm on now has a busted shift key because i broke one of the clips off when i took the keys off
[07:22] <OrngeTide> my last keyboard got a whole bottle of water dumped into it at night by my cat. and it just sit there. it swelled up the particle board of my desk and corroded all the contacts on the keyboard.
[07:22] <RuffianSoldier> Do I need a swap partition on a second HD?  I am going to triple boot Ubuntu on hda, and FC3 and Vector on hdb
[07:22] <Surt> i have a crap load of cheap logitech mice
[07:22] <OrngeTide> i managed to fix every key except up arrow and right shift. ... so it went in the trash
[07:22] <billytwowilly> RuffianSoldier, one swap should be fine
[07:22] <Surt> RuffianSoldier, no
[07:23] <billytwowilly> hmm
[07:23] <OrngeTide> linux 2.6 swap do some smart mapping of sector addresses so swap partitions benchmarks the same as swap files (if the files are mostly contigious)
[07:24] <OrngeTide> so if you mainly/only do 2.6 it wouldn't be a terrible thing to use a swapfile
[07:24] <Surt> how do i allow higher resolutions?
[07:24] <Surt> in the setup i just clicked through and can only get it up to 1024x768
[07:25] <OrngeTide> really? yuck:(
[07:25] <Surt> should pay more attention in the install
[07:25] <OrngeTide> i need 1900x1024 :P
[07:25] <Surt> i have a 19 inch monitor
[07:25] <OrngeTide> er.. 1920x1080
[07:25] <Surt> so 1280x1024 does it for me
[07:25] <htaccess_> is there truly no way to have more than one item on the clipboard in gnome??
[07:26] <OrngeTide> HDTV :)
[07:26] <OrngeTide> htaccess_, i wonder if those gnome clipboard items show up on xclipboard .. or if they are just special gnome/corba objects
[07:27] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) OrngeTide: xclipboard
[07:27] <OrngeTide> i never understood why people would ignore all the thing X gives and reinvent a bunch of it. usually the reinvented stuff doesn't even work as well as X11 from 10 years ago
[07:27] <htaccess_> when i use wordpress (blog software) you highlight the word you want to create a link with and click the link button and try paste the url you had on the clipboard but now the highlighted word is the one on the clipboard, very annoying but at least in kde you can select the correct item in klipper
[07:28] <OrngeTide> Lathiat, yea?
[07:28] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) OrngeTide: ya
[07:28] <OrngeTide> clipboard and selection buffers in x11 are pretty confusing to users. but man is it powerful
[07:29] <gen> ahaha
[07:29] <gen> http://www.smoothwall.org
[07:29] <htaccess_> hmm xclipboard seems to be here, but firefox items dont seem to be on it
[07:29] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) :q
[07:29] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) gah
[07:29] <htaccess_> i like to highlight and click with middle mouse button
[07:30] <OrngeTide> htaccess_, not even firefox items? hrm. those should be in the selection buffer unless you explicitly told it cut/copy
[07:30] <htaccess_> no i just highlighted a url in the bar
[07:31] <OrngeTide> (xterm and xclipboard use the same calls, so if it works in xterm it should work in xclipboard)
[07:31] <OrngeTide> htaccess_, yea. it's in the selection buffer then
[07:31] <htaccess_> hmm i can paste it in gnome term but if i run xclipboard its not there
[07:32] <OrngeTide> xclipboard has two modes.
[07:32] (lhb/#ubuntu) jdub: ?
[07:33] <OrngeTide> htaccess_, xcutsel will let you put a selection buffer into the clipboard. then you can see it in xclipboard
[07:33] <htaccess_> hmm looks like i should try http://gcm.sourceforge.net/
[07:33] <OrngeTide> selection buffers are only 1 level deep. but clipboard is stackable.
[07:34] <OrngeTide> hrm. that looks like what you need:)
[07:34] <htaccess_> OrngeTide: yea, i guess so, ideally i would just like an applet that just works like klipper on gnome
[07:34] <OrngeTide> i'm anti-gnome and anti-kde. :P
[07:34] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) step
[07:34] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) gah
[07:35] <OrngeTide> i'm a Xaw & motif person myself.
[07:35] <OrngeTide> openlook was nice too. but it died. :(
[07:35] <visor> hi everybody
[07:35] <OrngeTide> openlook kicked openstep's butt. but sun flaked on it.
[07:36] <htaccess_> i used to run fluxbox but always end up using the distro default cause i cant be bothered installing and custommising each time i upgrade distros
[07:36] <jdub> lhb: yes?
[07:36] <OrngeTide> sun has made tons of cool stuff that they later abandoned. it's sad really.
[07:36] (lhb/#ubuntu) jdub: hi, i saw in a mailing list that you know about multisync
[07:36] <jdub> lhb: 'know' :)
[07:37] <OrngeTide> htaccess_, yea. customizations can be annoying. i carry around about 30kb of .vimrc junk wherever I go. i'm thinking I could fit the source to a small text editor in 30kb and just carry that around instead. :P
[07:37] (lhb/#ubuntu) jdub: wondered if you have deb packages built from the latest cvs version somewhere?
[07:37] <billytwowilly> woot
[07:37] (lhb/#ubuntu) jdub: you know, the version that supports evolution 2 nowadays
[07:37] <OrngeTide> i like ion. it does want i want out of the box. but it's really just a what if 'screen' was your x wm. :P
[07:37] <billytwowilly> I'm making RAID baby!
[07:38] <jdub> lhb: no
[07:38] <OrngeTide> billytwowilly, alright!
[07:38] <htaccess_> hmm no gcm in debian packages :(
[07:38] <jdub> lhb: there's a mail on ubuntu-devel that points to a repo with updated versions in it
[07:39] (lhb/#ubuntu) jdub: really, will have a look, thanks
[07:39] <OrngeTide> i made a 6Tb raid-0 at work for fun once. thank god xfs doesn't need to fsck
[07:40] <OrngeTide> yay. ubuntu is done installing. it even started making little sound effects.
[07:40] <OrngeTide> this brown theme clashes with my ibook though. :P
[07:41] <visor> OrngeTide: theres plenty of themes ported from macosx to gtk ;)
[07:42] <visor> OrngeTide: http://art.gnome.org and http://gnome-look.org ;)
[07:43] <visor> i was thinking on making some kind of blueish theme for gdm/splash so it matches the colors of my theme
[07:43] <billytwowilly> so will md0 be formatted with the reiserfs already on there or do I have to format it as well?
[07:44] <OrngeTide> visor, i prefer solid black and white themes. the more it looks like MacOS System 7, the better.
[07:50] <TongMaster> yeah!
[07:50] <TongMaster> finally fixed it :)
[07:50] <TongMaster> ww :)
[07:50] <visor> OrngeTide: uhmm you dont like child interfaces like osx then? :P
[07:51] <OrngeTide> billytwowilly, md0 will look like an unitialized block device. so you can format it as whatever filesystem you want to use
[07:51] <OrngeTide> visor, not really.
[07:51] <visor> OrngeTide: me neither, but yet, i like something pretty just not too "crystal"
[07:51] <OrngeTide> i wish apple would get "back to the basics" of user interfaces and usability.
[07:51] <billytwowilly> OrngeTide, is there a gui type formatting thing for ubuntu?
[07:52] <OrngeTide> billytwowilly, type formatting?
[07:52] <OrngeTide> oh. disk thingy. hrm
[07:52] <OrngeTide> no idea. i'd just do mkreiserfs /dev/md0
[07:52] <FartClone> qtparted
[07:52] <visor> smooth scooped its one of the best themes i ever seen so far
[07:53] <OrngeTide> my idea of gui is having one fullscreen xterm. so i'm not really a good person to ask about gui tools. :P
[07:53] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) heh same
[07:53] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) i dont like guis
[07:53] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) zsh/make/gdb/vim does me sweet
[07:53] <visor> theres people who will need guis, ever
[07:54] <billytwowilly> will mkreiserfs /dev/md0 just format the entire partition as reiser?
[07:54] <jdub> billytwowilly: yes
[07:54] <OrngeTide> certain kinds of apps should be graphical. but i'm not really into having a bunch of weird desktop icons and buttons and things just to navigate to different apps. i'd rather cycle through them with a hot key or something. :P
[07:54] <billytwowilly> It's 360 GB. Are there any options I should pass to maximize the benefit for large files? mostly videos and mp3s will be on there.
[07:55] <OrngeTide> billytwowilly, yup. make sure you don't screw up and give it the wrong thing. or it will hose you good
[07:55] <OrngeTide> billytwowilly, all file systems are really good at large files. it's small files that they have trouble with.
[07:55] <billytwowilly> OrngeTide, heh. Ok.
[07:55] <OrngeTide> billytwowilly, when you mount i'd recommend mounting with notail on your reiser volumes.
[07:56] <billytwowilly> ok. why? what does notail do?
[07:56] <OrngeTide> it wastes space, but it will make small file access and appends a lot faster
[07:57] <OrngeTide> the default leads to suboptimial caching, so notail fixes that as well.
[07:57] <billytwowilly> ok. is reiser4 stable enough to use yet?
[07:57] <jdub> billytwowilly: no
[07:58] <jdub> billytwowilly: neither is reiser3 :)
[07:58] <OrngeTide> i'd use it. but i always backup my data because i don't trust anything
[07:58] <OrngeTide> NTFS isn't stable enough to use either. :)
[07:58] <billytwowilly> hmm. does blocksize: 4096 mean that each block will be 4 mb?
[07:58] <OrngeTide> billytwowilly, no. 4kB
[07:59] <cowbud> any coaster debs?
[07:59] <OrngeTide> i wouldn't tweak the blocksize in reiser... the behavior isn't well tested.
[07:59] <pastyhermit> can I install ubuntu over network off a floppy disk?
[07:59] <visor> cowdub: im affraid no
[07:59] <billytwowilly> hmm.
[08:00] <visor> i was looking for a burning application too, still cant find one
[08:00] <visor> a decent one
[08:00] <billytwowilly> so when it says there are 87889440 blocks that would mean it thinks there are roughly 34 gb of space???
[08:00] <visor> for gnome of course
[08:00] <OrngeTide> i think i'm going to uninstall all this gnome nonsense and see if ubuntu survives.
[08:00] <visor> then you have to load all those deps for kde :S just for kde
[08:01] <pastyhermit> dudes?
[08:02] <visor> err, for k3b
[08:02] <OrngeTide> visor, kde? no...
[08:02] <jdub> pastyhermit: floppy, no. netboot, yeah.
[08:03] <OrngeTide> ubuntu is neat and i'd highly recommend it. but i think i probably meant to install debian. since i didn't want a lot of this stuff.
[08:03] <OrngeTide> like openoffice. what the heck is wrong with just using troff?
[08:03] <pastyhermit> jdub: :(
[08:03] <pastyhermit> bleh
[08:03] <pastyhermit> perhaps I will put gentoo on my P233 :D
[08:03] <deadshell> OrngeTide,  try thishttp://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
[08:04] <Adrenal> i can't install ffmpeg
[08:04] <OrngeTide> gentoo is great. until it gets confused :P
[08:04] <pastyhermit> thankx
[08:04] <Adrenal> some dependency issues
[08:04] <Adrenal> broken pipe
[08:04] <OrngeTide> oh and it's python based package mangement takes forever on my 1.7Ghz. i'm sure it will take forever++ on your P233
[08:05] <OrngeTide> and it takes about 30-40 hours to install gentoo on my 500mhz laptop. i'm guessing it will take 40-50 on your p233 :P
[08:05] <OrngeTide> deadshell, thanks
[08:05] <deadshell> np
[08:05] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) gentoo users gain miniscule speed boosts by compiling their software with hand-tuned compiler flags, which they then throw away by waiting seven hours for an emerge
[08:06] <deadshell> gentoo is a test to see how long they can keep you at your comp before you throw it thru the window
[08:06] <OrngeTide> i never did that. i just liked to compile packages that were released only hours ago. debian likes to test stuff before they put it in. i'd rather test it myself than wait. :)
[08:07] <Adrenal> anyone got anymore tools i can use to convert .wmv to .mov
[08:07] <Adrenal> prefably an installer, not synaptic
[08:08] <wartyuser> Hey
[08:08] <deadshell> Hey
[08:08] <mirak> hi
[08:08] <wartyuser> What does warty actually have besides open office that makes it such a big file
[08:08] <mirak> anyone have problems with sane ?
[08:08] <wartyuser> I am using it now and it seems to have less than KNoppixe
[08:08] <wartyuser> *knoppix
[08:09] <mirak> my tv card is detected as the capture device instead of the scanner
[08:09] <deadshell> wartyuser, try mepis :)
[08:09] <jdub> wartyuser: file?
[08:09] <vincent> Sane only works if you are root.
[08:09] <jdub> wartyuser: the cd, or...?
[08:09] <mirak> wartyuser: knoppix is just a lice cd, not a real distibution
[08:10] <wartyuser> Yeah for the holidays I am getting MEpis, Linspire, FC2, and some others all on cd for 30 bucks 26 cds in all from easylinuxcds.com it is a pretrty good deal
[08:10] <jdub> wartyuser: the live cd also includes a bunch of windows free software apps.
[08:10] <deadshell> cable modem i got em for free
[08:10] <wartyuser> oh okay thanks jdub
[08:10] <deadshell> o_0
[08:10] <wartyuser> I Will cehck it out in windows
[08:10] <jdub> wartyuser: they'll disappear as we fill the cd with more stuff on the live side
[08:10] <wartyuser> *chec
[08:10] <wartyuser> oKAY
[08:11] <mirak> vincent: it doesn't work either
[08:11] <mirak> I can't choose my scanner
[08:11] <mirak> sane default to tv card
[08:11] <vincent> mirak: is it a scsi scanner ? I had to do "modprobe sg" to detect it
[08:11] <mirak> scsi yes
[08:12] <wartyuser> Anyways I Have ordered 15 ubuntu cds to give to friends of mien and for them to give to their friends so when I Receive those I WIll explore Warty more than I am now whichI am using a cd I burned cya
[08:12] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) 987
[08:13] <OrngeTide> hrm. debian/sarge looks to be 14 isos ...
[08:13] <mirak> vincent: do a normal pv
[08:13] <wartyuser> Oh one more q
[08:13] <wartyuser> Can I run UBUntu from the ramdisk?
[08:14] <wartyuser> I have 512mb of memory
[08:14] <mirak> vincent: it doesn't work
[08:14] <wartyuser> Ill be back to see the answers in a minute
[08:14] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) wartyuser: no
[08:14] <vincent> mirak : first tiem I use IRC, tried to chat with you but doesn't seem to work... :-/
[08:14] <mirak> do opean dialog
[08:15] <mirak> ot talk here
[08:15] <vincent> Well lets talk here then.  Open terminal as root, and type "modprobe sg", what does it say ?
[08:16] <jdub> OrngeTide: only one of which you need to install it.
[08:16] <mirak> is says nothing
[08:16] <OrngeTide> jdub, yea. i see the netboot and minimal installs now too.
[08:16] <vincent> THat's ok don't worry. Now do "ls /ded/sg*" what does it say ?
[08:17] <OrngeTide> hrm. great. i just locked it up
[08:17] <mirak> vincent: it's ok it works as root
[08:17] <mass> is there a way I can get a newer version of subversion on ubuntu? if I build packages, is there a way for me to share them?
[08:18] <vincent> mirak: you mean xsane found it, and asked you to chose between your TV card and Scanner ?
[08:19] <mirak> yes
[08:19] <mirak> but not as a user
[08:20] <vincent> Yes I know, it's a Ubuntu bug. I think I saw a worfkaround on  www.ubuntuforums.org, but can't remember what it is. Just search the forum you will find it
[08:35] <billytwowilly> where would I find the mkdev.sh script?
[08:36] (bob2/#ubuntu) do you meane MAKEDEV?
[08:37] <billytwowilly> I'm trying to setup lm-sensors. when I run sensors-detect it says "no i2c device files found. use prog/mkdev/mkdev.sh to create them."
[08:37] (bob2/#ubuntu) you should just need to load the i2c modules
[08:37] <billytwowilly> would MAKEDEV do that?
[08:37] (bob2/#ubuntu) then udev will make the device nodes
[08:37] <billytwowilly> I modprobed the one I thought I needed for my nforce2 board
[08:38] <billytwowilly> i2c_nforce2 is there
[08:39] <billytwowilly> still no sensors found and I get that message when I run sensors-detect
[08:39] <billytwowilly> can I run udev?
[08:39] (bob2/#ubuntu) udev is already running
[08:40] <billytwowilly> any ideas why sensors-detect isn't working or how to fix it?
[08:40] <billytwowilly> sensors-detect
[08:40] <billytwowilly> argh. sorry
[08:40] (bob2/#ubuntu) ask on the user list I guess, loading the module should make the /dev nodes magically
[08:40] (bob2/#ubuntu) maybe you loaded the wrong module
[08:40] (bob2/#ubuntu) tho you'd get  told that by modprobe
[08:41] <billytwowilly> what should the dev nodes look like?
[08:41] (bob2/#ubuntu) /dev/i2c I guess
[08:41] (bob2/#ubuntu) you could find out by reading the sensors-detect script
[08:44] <billytwowilly> sensors-detect is for figuring out what modules to probe though.
[08:44] (bob2/#ubuntu) ok
[08:45] <billytwowilly> so i've modprobed the right one now but sensors doesn't find it..
[08:45] <billytwowilly> That's the real problem
[08:45] (bob2/#ubuntu) does dmesg show it's the right one?
[08:46] <billytwowilly> lspci -v shows that it is the right one according to the docs on the sensor
[08:46] (bob2/#ubuntu) dmesg is the important thing
[08:47] <billytwowilly> dmesg shows
[08:47] <billytwowilly> i2c-adapter i2c-o: nForce2 SMBus adapter at 0x500
[08:47] <billytwowilly> and the same thing again but with i2c-1: and 0x5100
[08:57] <Shadow2> windows has overwritten the mbr on my ubuntu install, is there a way to get grub back without losing the current ubuntu install?
[08:58] <bigbrother0074> what app can i use to play a .m4a audio file?
[08:58] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) bigbrother0074: mplayer, totem should do it
[08:58] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) mplayer plays my video .m4as
[08:58] <bigbrother0074> Lathiat, they don't seem to want to play them
[08:58] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) Shadow2: oh wait
[08:58] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) bigbrother0074: sorry you mean ALAC apple stuff?
[08:58] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) Shadow2: sorry not you
[08:59] <bigbrother0074> Lathiat, i don't know....a friend gave me a soundtrack in that format
[08:59] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) bigbrother0074: yeh its probabky apple, you cant play it, its a closed codec with patent restrictions and no ones written a decoder
[08:59] <bigbrother0074> damn
[09:00] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) you could play it in itunes for windows but that doesnt help :)
[09:00] <mexp> Hi there.. Where do I disable ntp sync at boot time? It fails anyway, as the PPPoE is initiated only later?
[09:00] <bigbrother0074> Lathiat, no, http://www.m4a.com says it's just mpeg 4 audio file --- the nu .mp3
[09:00] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Shadow2: you need to boot w/ a rescue disk and reinstall grub
[09:01] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) bigbrother0074: yes but the only things i am aware of that use m4a atm is apple encoded stuff, and you wont be able to play that
[09:01] <bigbrother0074> oh
[09:01] <bigbrother0074> well shit
[09:01] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Shadow2: try booting w/ the install cd.. you can press escape to see a menu of options
[09:02] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Shadow2: I'm not really sure if there is one included.. and I'm not sure how to install grub
[09:02] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) bigbrother0074: if you like you can go convince them to release the specs to the gstreamer team so someone can write a decoder :)
[09:02] <bigbrother0074> Lathiat, wouldn't that be nice of em
[09:02] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) bigbrother0074: it would, but good luck :P
[09:07] <atu13439> hey guys i aborted the ubuntu linux installation on my x86 machine after choosing language and country settings now I cant even boot onto WinXP??? Any suggestions
[09:08] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) atu13439: Define can't boot into WinXP
[09:08] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) atu13439: What come up / what error / where do you get up to / etc
[09:09] <atu13439> thanks for the reply...error I get is please insert valid system disk
[09:09] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) do you have a floppy in your floppy drive
[09:09] <atu13439> no, no floppy
[09:09] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) and no cd?
[09:09] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) ok what you need is some kind of windows bootdisk or CD
[09:09] <atu13439> no cd as well...
[09:09] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) and to run fdisk /mbr
[09:10] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) the windows xp recovery console has a similar tool called 'fixmbr'
[09:10] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) you can run that off booting the cd
[09:10] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) [of winxp]
[09:10] <atu13439> ok so boot from winxp cd and then type in fdisk /mbr
[09:10] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hmm it's a bit disturbing that it would overwrite the MBR before you even partition
[09:10] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) no
[09:10] <atu13439> yeah thats the weird part
[09:11] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) GammaRay: it shouldnt have, not sure what happened there
[09:11] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) Amaranth: run 'fixmbr' in the windwos xp recovery console
[09:11] <atu13439> so how do i get to the command prompt on the win xp cd to type in "fdisk /mbr"
[09:11] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) atu13439: when you start the install
[09:11] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) it has an option to open the recovery console
[09:11] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) when it notices you already ahve a windows install
[09:12] <billytwowilly> can anyone recommend a good blogging software?
[09:12] <atu13439> ohhh ok....hey thanks a lot man...im gonna go try it out and I am new to ubuntu and linux and I heard something about kde not being available?
[09:12] <atu13439> in ubuntu
[09:13] <smo> available, yes .. just not supported / installed by default
[09:13] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) atu13439: you can install it after install, but its not supported
[09:13] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) atu13439: if I were you.. I'd backup your data before doing anything else
[09:14] <atu13439> alright....thanks a lot for all your help again...i really appreciate it...
[09:14] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) nps atu13439
[09:46] <wood1> Can anyone help me solve the problem of:  modprobe: Fatal Error : hotplug ...... ?
[09:46] <wood1> While my PC boots
[09:46] <wood1> Anybody there ?
[09:47] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) wood1: about pciehp or something?
[09:47] <agwibowo> hello..
[09:47] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) 2 messages? they're not important, you can ignore them
[09:47] <wood1> Yes
[09:47] <agwibowo> does anyone know any program to display picture as wallpaper in X (as for fvwm2) in ubuntu..
[09:47] <agwibowo> xsetbg, xv, wmsetbg are not available in ubuntu
[09:47] <agwibowo> i don't know any other program to display picture in ubuntu
[09:47] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) agwibowo: well, you can just right-click the desktop and then click 'Change desktop background'
[09:48] <agwibowo> not gnome
[09:48] <agwibowo> i'm using fvwm2
[09:48] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) agwibowo: you can install wmsetbg or xli or xloadimage
[09:48] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) or imagemagick
[09:48] <agwibowo> oh
[09:48] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) all those can do that
[09:48] <wood1> By the way, I have installed the XFCE4 Window Manager. However I don't get the application menus while right clicking on an empty desktop
[09:48] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) wood1: the desktop is separate from the window manager
[09:48] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) wood1: xfce is a complete desktop environment, like gnome is
[09:48] <wood1> I get the App menu at the first right click of my mouse
[09:49] <wood1> After that I get the same menu as in GNOME Desktop
[09:50] <wood1> What I mean to say is that I want to access all the applications while right-clicking on the XFCE desktop
[09:50] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) wood1: read xfce documentation, I don't know
[09:50] <wood1> Ok , thanks
[09:51] (crimsun/#ubuntu) wood1: you need the package xfdesktop4 installed, too
[09:51] <agwibowo> i reckon fvwm2 is better than xfce
[09:51] <agwibowo> simpler, faster
[09:52] (crimsun/#ubuntu) wood1: and if you're upgrading from a previous version of xfce4, it's a good idea to mv ~/.xfce4 ~/.xfce4_old
[09:52] <wood1> By the way, how do I use Gaim to connect to MSN Messenger, I get connected for about 3 seconds and suddenly get disconnected.
[09:52] <wood1> OK crimsun, thanks
[09:52] <wood1> for the tips
[09:52] (crimsun/#ubuntu) wood1: make sure you're using the latest version of gaim, 1.0.3
[09:53] <agwibowo> how to use imagemagick to display the wallpaper???
[09:53] <agwibowo> what's the command??
[09:53] <agwibowo> imagemagic doesn't seem to exist when i type in command line
[09:53] <carsonc> agwibowo: display filename.jpg
[09:54] <OrngeTide> man. i'm totally not cut out for debian or ubuntu :(
[09:54] (crimsun/#ubuntu) OrngeTide: why's that?
[09:54] <agwibowo> oh
[09:54] <wood1> How do I upgrade from Gaim v1.0.0 to Gaim v1.0.3 ?
[09:54] <agwibowo> i'll be back...
[09:54] <carsonc> wood1:  Well, you could go to http://gaim.sf.net and download and install from source
[09:55] <carsonc> but why do you want to install 1.0.3?  The security stuff gets backported, if I'm not mistaken
[09:55] <OrngeTide> crimsun, well i don't want gnome. at all. but i want gdm
[09:55] (crimsun/#ubuntu) it's not a security issue but a msn issue that was corrected in versions newer than 1.0.0, carsonc.
[09:55] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) still, use the package
[09:56] <carsonc> Ah, I see!  I don't use MSN, so I never pay attention to it. :)
[09:56] (crimsun/#ubuntu) OrngeTide: so use gdm without using gnome. I do that on a couple ubuntu machines.
[09:56] <wood1> Do I have to remove the Older version of Gaim and then install the latest version of Gaim ?
[09:56] <OrngeTide> crimsun, it won't let me. it goes and installs gnome control center and all that garbage
[09:57] (crimsun/#ubuntu) OrngeTide: that's because the binary package was built with those Depends. Just don't use gnome.
[09:57] <agwibowo> well...
[09:57] <agwibowo> how to display the image as the background?
[09:57] <OrngeTide> yea. that's not want I want.
[09:57] <agwibowo> it will open a window
[09:58] <agwibowo> using the command "display"
[09:58] <agwibowo> "display <filename>" will open a window displaying the picture file..
[09:58] (crimsun/#ubuntu) OrngeTide: I'm not entirely positive one can have a functional gdm without at least _some_ gnome libs.
[09:58] <agwibowo> i want it to be the background of my fvwm2
[09:58] <OrngeTide> crimsun, oh i'm entirely positive. i do it all the time on slackware and gentoo
[09:59] <OrngeTide> crimsun, i'll just see if debian has Login.App and i'll use that instead
[09:59] (crimsun/#ubuntu) OrngeTide: well, if you want to be pedantic, check ldd `which gdm`
[09:59] <agwibowo> also, it seems that the programs running in fvwm2 does not have the same font size compared to when i run it in gnome... how to set the font size to be the same? (i want the font to be smaller). The font i'm talking here is the windows fonts.... like "File Edit .. bla bla bla"
[09:59] <jdub> agwibowo: run gnome-settings-daemon
[09:59] <OrngeTide> looks like login.app will do it for me.
[10:00] (crimsun/#ubuntu) I see mostly X Windows and Gtk/Glib/Pango deps, anyhow.
[10:00] <OrngeTide> ldd `which gdm` | grep gnome  .. nothing. :)
[10:01] <agwibowo> jdub: gnome?? but i'm going to run fvwm2
[10:01] <jdub> OrngeTide: that's perfectly understandable.
[10:01] <wood1> What is the command for removing Gaim v1.0.0 ?
[10:01] <agwibowo> jdub: the problem i'm having is the fonts for window widget in fvwm2 are too big
[10:01] <jdub> agwibowo: just run gnome-settings-daemon.
[10:01] <OrngeTide> yea. debian's requirement for a lot of the gnome stuff is somewhat artificial. i think because it can be configured from gnome control center (some xml files it has I guess)
[10:02] <agwibowo> ooooo
[10:02] <agwibowo> good!
[10:02] <agwibowo> thx!
[10:02] <jdub> OrngeTide: no, there are no libs with the string 'gnome' in them that gdm depends on.
[10:02] <agwibowo> where should i include thi sfile?
[10:02] <agwibowo> in .bashrc???
[10:02] <agwibowo> not good...
[10:02] <agwibowo> any idea?
[10:02] <jdub> agwibowo: in .xinitrc or .xsession or your fvwm somethingorother
[10:02] <agwibowo> ic.
[10:02] <OrngeTide> jdub, that's what I just said in shellese
[10:03] <wood1> As you know, my system is quite slow, which Window Manager is best for me? Fluxbox or fvwm2 or xfce ?
[10:03] <jdub> OrngeTide: yes, that is the case everywhere
[10:03] <agwibowo> i don't have .xsession in my home directory... where can i get it from?
[10:03] (crimsun/#ubuntu) wood1: whichever you feel most comfortable with.
[10:03] <agwibowo> woodl: fvwm2 i guess
[10:03] <jdub> agwibowo: you don't. use whatever your xsession is starting with.
[10:03] <OrngeTide> jdub, so?
[10:03] <agwibowo> jdub: how do i know???
[10:03] <OrngeTide> that fact doesn't help me though.
[10:04] <jdub> OrngeTide: there are no additional dependencies for gdm on debian or ubuntu.
[10:04] <jdub> agwibowo: you set it up :)
[10:04] <agwibowo> jdub: errr...  a little more information would help..
[10:04] <jdub> agwibowo: i don't know - you set your system up, you should konw :)
[10:05] <agwibowo> what's the default in ubuntu???
[10:05] <wood1> To install fvwm2, will: apt-get install fvwm2 do the trick ?
[10:05] <jdub> agwibowo: the default doesn't involve fvwm.
[10:05] <agwibowo> woodl: why don't u just use synaptic?? it will help you better....
[10:05] <OrngeTide> i'll just go back to ubuntu. straight debian didn't really get me anything. all the things i want are going to pull in a lot of the same stuff ubuntu installs by default. oh well.
[10:06] <agwibowo> jdub: ic... hmm.. how do i make it so that when i enter fvwm2, the system will look at ~/.xsession ?
[10:07] <jdub> agwibowo: it won't - use fvwm's configuration for startup programs
[10:07] <OrngeTide> i'll just take the path of least resistence and use ubuntu, rather than dedicate my life to installing everything exactly the way I want. btw. thanks for your help everyone.
[10:07] <Skif> agwibowo: ln -sf ~/.xinitrc ~/.xsession (or vice versa)
[10:07] <agwibowo> i know....
[10:07] <agwibowo> it's .fvwm2rc
[10:07] <agwibowo> but the system at my uni also look at ~/.xsession
[10:07] <wood1> I see only fvwm1 in Synaptic, there is no fvwm2
[10:07] <agwibowo> Skif: i don't have ~/.xinitrc either
[10:08] <Skif> agwibowo, well, .fvwm2rc, or whatever.
[10:08] <wood1> how do I install fvwm2 ???
[10:08] <jdub> why on earth are you wanting/using fvwm?
[10:09] <Rene_S> sucker for punishment ?
[10:09] <Skif> fvwm is not exactly teh suck, but it is definitely more suck than is required by law.
[10:10] <agwibowo> Skif: i found fvwm is very good for development environment.
[10:10] <Skif> agwibowo: I generally find perl and ruby to make a good development environment
[10:10] <agwibowo> also, i think woodl mentioned that his system does not have big resources.. so fvwm is suitable.
[10:10] <agwibowo> isn't perl a language?
[10:10] <Skif> agwibowo: exactly
[10:12] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Skif: ex ;)
[10:12] <Skif> Treenaks: technically, 'ed' is the standard editor
[10:12] <Skif> ex is heresy :)
[10:12] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Skif: I just re-type my entire file with cat.. every time..
[10:12] <Skif> anyway, this is not terribly ubuntu-specific, and it's getting rather silly to boot, so I shall stop now
[10:13] <Skif> cat! luxury! in my day we had to dd from the tty device, and we liked it!
[10:13] <Skif> (okay, now I'm REALLY done, sorry)
[10:13] <agwibowo> if i include gnome-settings-daemon in .xsession or .xinitrc.. or whatever, wouldn't it get executed each time i exit & enter fvwm2 again???
[10:14] <agwibowo> also.. can anyone tell me how to use "display" program to set the wallpaper in fvwm2
[10:15] <wood1> By the way, how do I see the services running on my system in graphical view.
[10:16] <wood1> There used to be a tool in Applications>System Tools>Services
[10:16] <wood1> If I remember correctly
[10:17] <Kobalt> good morning ladies :)
[10:18] <agwibowo> Skif: thx
[10:20] <wood1> By the way, I don't see the colors which indicates which are directories and files in my bash shell using the command: ls -l
[10:20] (crimsun/#ubuntu) -F
[10:20] (crimsun/#ubuntu) --color
[10:21] <Kobalt> little problem with mounting sambashares, anyone there who can help ?
[10:21] <wood1> It used to show directories in Blue, Executable files in Green
[10:21] <Agrajag> ls --color=auto
[10:22] <Kobalt> mount -t smbfs -o username=bot,password=xxxxx //<IP_ADDRESS>/all /mnt
[10:22] <Kobalt> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //<IP_ADDRESS>/all,
[10:22] <Kobalt>        or too many mounted file systems
[10:22] <Kobalt> thats waht i get if i try to mount a samba or win share
[10:22] <Kobalt> have another deb box here there it works fine ...
[10:23] <Kobalt> what i do wrong ... ?
[10:24] <wood1> Agrajag, thanks for the tip
[10:26] <Kobalt> no idea here ? :(
[10:34] <Kobalt> ok then not
[10:34] <Kobalt> bye
[10:37] <billytwowilly> anyone around with experience with lvm?
[10:39] <billytwowilly> I have /dev/hda4 and /dev/hdc2 that I want to lvm together. how would I do that?
[10:41] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) billytwowilly: read the LVM howto
[10:41] <billytwowilly> Treenaks, I am. It's too long and complicated
[10:41] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) billytwowilly: well, then don't use lvm..
[10:42] <billytwowilly> It looks like I'd do a vgcreat whateveriwanttocallit /dev/hda4 /dev/hdc2
[10:42] <billytwowilly> But I don't know.
[10:42] <billytwowilly> Treenaks, No, that is a failure of the documentation. There should be a simple example section
[10:43] <billytwowilly> in the examples they do have it menitons pvcreate on the whole disk, but that will destroy the partitions already on the disk according to the documentation
[10:44] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) billytwowilly: there are no partitions on /dev/hda4.. only on /dev/hda
[10:44] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) so use pvcreate on a separate partition :)
[10:45] (bob2/#ubuntu) oDie`: can you turn that off please?
[10:46] <billytwowilly> ok. so I'd go pvcreate /dev/hda4 and pvcreate /dev/hdc2 and then vgcreate /dev/hda4 /dev/hdc2 then lvcreate -L1G -n mylvm then reiserfs /dev/mylvm ?
[10:46] <oDie`> yes, sure ;)
[10:46] <xukun> bob2, do you anything about freenx not working on ubuntu?
[10:46] <xukun> bob2, do you know anything about freenx not working on ubuntu?
[10:46] <Chib1> freenx works fine D:
[10:47] (bob2/#ubuntu) oDie`afk: thanks!
[10:48] <xukun> Chib1, maybe so want you are using ubuntu on both server and the client, but if you are using other os non than ubuntu it will not work
[10:48] <wood1> by the way, what exactly does LVM do ?
[10:48] <wood1> Is it very useful ?
[10:48] (bob2/#ubuntu) xukun: no, sorry
[10:48] <wood1> Or can I just remove it
[10:48] <billytwowilly> wood1, if you have more than 2-3 disks it can be usefull
[10:48] <billytwowilly> err useful
[10:49] <billytwowilly> it can be used to join drives together
[10:49] <wood1> Well I only have 1 hard drive
[10:49] <Chib1> Are you trying to log into another SERVER from ubuntu, or trying to login to ubuntu from another OS?
[10:49] <wood1> Can I remove LVM from my system which has only 1 hard drive ?
[10:50] <billytwowilly> ubuntu adds people to the users group right?
[10:50] <xukun> Chib1, to the ubutnu server, I tryied from winxp machine and other non ubuntu linux machine, I both get the same result
[10:51] <Chib1> Do they have an equivilent version of the client? :/
[10:51] <xukun> bob2, np thanks
[10:51] <xukun> Chib1, ?
[10:52] <xukun> what do you mean by that?
[10:52] <wood1> By the way, how do I login to my Ubuntu from other PCs in my network ?
[10:52] <Chib1> Perhaps the client version you're trying to connect with matters.
[10:53] <xukun> Chib1, the version of nx is the same if that is what you mean
[10:53] <xukun> Chib1, http://drcwww.uvt.nl/~ahassan/remote_nxserver_screenshot.png
[10:53] (bob2/#ubuntu) billytwowilly: no
[10:53] (bob2/#ubuntu) billytwowilly: also, be careful with lvm...if one of those disks die, you lose *all* your data
[10:54] <wood1> How do I open the FTP port of my Ubuntu system ?
[10:54] <Chib1> Eww! KDE ::hides::
[10:54] (bob2/#ubuntu) wood1: "open"?  ubuntu has no firewall by default.
[10:54] <xukun> that shoudnt mater
[10:54] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) bob2: I think he means installing an ftp daemon
[10:54] (bob2/#ubuntu) wood1: note that if you're using some sort of consumer dsl or cable router, you will not be able to serve ftp to outside users
[10:55] (bob2/#ubuntu) (easily)
[10:55] <grelli> "easily"
[10:55] <wood1> I can't Telnet and Ftp to my Ubuntu from other PCs
[10:55] (bob2/#ubuntu) wood1: did you install a ftp server?
[10:55] <grelli> the ease is determined by the level of insanity of the router