[07:20] <ara> morning all!
[09:13]  * ara -> takes a break
[12:45]  * ara -> lunch
[16:13] <ara> cr3: morning :)
[16:13] <cr3> ara: morning! how's that auto.txt coming along?
[16:13] <ara> well, still struggling a bit :)
[16:13] <ara> cr3: ^
[16:14] <ara> I have filled a couple of bugs with the new packaging, btw
[16:14] <cr3> ara: ok, lets get this show on the road before the meeting then
[16:14] <ara> bug 304689
[16:14] <ara> launchpad bug 304689
[16:15] <ara> and launchpad bug 304736
[16:15] <cr3> ara: thanks for the bugs, I'll have a look right away
[16:16] <ara> cr3: cool, thanks
[16:17] <ara> cr3: what would be the minimum script (bash script, i.e.) that auto plugin would consider as a "pass"?
[16:18] <ara> cr3: do I explain myself properly?
[16:18] <cr3> ara: command: true
[16:18] <ara> cr3: ok, so, it is not 0,1 anymore?
[16:20] <cr3> what makes you say that? the true command has a return value of 0 which is a pass
[16:21] <cr3> ara: and, by the way, it's 0 for pass and non-0 for fail, not 1 strictly speaking
[16:21] <cr3> just general unix standard
[16:26] <cr3> ara: regarding the first bug, can you try reinstalling using the package maintainers configuration files?
[16:26] <cr3> ara: regarding the second bug, can you try CHECKBOX_DATA=/tmp sudo -E ./bin/checkbox-gtk
[16:26] <cr3> (note the -E option to sudo)
[16:27] <ara> cr3: that's what I tried
[16:27] <cr3> that's what you tried for which bug, the first or the second?
[16:29] <ara> cr3: second
[16:29] <ara> cr3: with the -E option
[16:30] <cr3> ara: could you either pastebin or send me /etc/checkbox.d/checkbox.ini
[16:32] <ara> cr3: http://paste.ubuntu.com/79880/
[16:32] <cr3> ara: aha! you're absolutely right regarding the second bug, I'll fix in trunk
[16:33] <ara> cr3: great, thanks
[16:38] <sbeattie> what's the url for the checkbox ppa?
[16:40] <cr3> sbeattie: https://edge.launchpad.net/~hardware-testing/+archive
[16:41] <sbeattie> cr3: thanks
[16:43] <cr3> ara: fix committed for the second bug, now the first one is probably a more general upgrade issue :(
[16:44] <ara> cr3: ok, I instaled ubuntu14 on top of ubuntu13
[16:45] <cr3> ara: I believe I also have issues when migrating from hwtest to checkbox (renaming), which is why I haven't pushed for checkbox in intrepid and haven't done yet in jaunty
[16:45] <cr3> for example, /etc/hwtest.d/hwtest* need to be renamed accordingly
[16:46] <ara> cr3: ok
[16:47] <ara> cr3: another question. i have the simplest script named test and just doing "true", placed in scripts folder
[16:48] <ara> cr3: and I get a fail
[16:48] <cr3> ara: very interesting, could you pastebin the debug output: --log-level=debug. you know, I really wish we had a pastebin where we could upload files instead of pasting :(
[16:51] <ara> cr3: http://paste.ubuntu.com/79891/
[16:54] <cr3> ara: that's weird, you're getting a permission denied error when reading: '/var/log/installer/casper.log'
[16:54] <cr3> ara: 1. are you running with sudo? 2. what's the permission of that file if it exists?
[16:54] <cr3> that shouldn't be the reason why your test is not running though
[16:55] <ara> cr3: 1. no, i am running it with  ./bin/checkbox-cli --config="checkbox/plugins/blacklist=permission_prompt"  --log-level=debug
[16:55] <ara> cr3: let me check permissions of that particular one
[16:55] <cr3> ara: cool, I should change the plugin to attempt to read the file only if it has permissions
[16:56] <cr3> (by the way, you rock for blacklisting premission_prompt like that :)
[17:49] <cr3> ara: ok, so the disk_info plugin has been fixed in trunk so that it can run as non-root. now, lets determine why your test is failing
[17:51] <cr3> ara: I tried creating a quick test and it worked fine: plugin: auto, name: foo, description: Foo test, command: true
[17:53] <cr3> ara: in the logs, I see: 2008-12-03 12:50:52,151 INFO     Running command: true
[18:08] <ara> cr3: Running automatic tests... 2008-12-03 17:50:48,984 INFO     Running command: test
[18:09] <ara> can you change your command: true to command: foo and let foo be the script that just runs true?
[18:09] <ara> cr3: and place foo in the scripts folder?
[18:11] <cr3> ara: sure, testing...
[18:15] <cr3> ara: brb


[16:01] <savetheWorld> " user should not ever start any servers "  the systems today start lots of "servers" which are transparently enabled by the user (mostly at install time) and the user has know idea they are even doing it. We cannot place such a restriction in place today.
[16:01] <savetheWorld> LimCore: see the documentation on PAM?
[16:01] <LimCore> savetheWorld: bvasicly
[16:01] <savetheWorld> LimCore: I reccomend finding a tutorial or howto
[16:01] <nosrednaekim> vinnie_: hello?
[16:01] <savetheWorld> LimCore: the man page (iirc) wasnt wonderful... ;-)
[16:02] <vinnie_> nosrednaekim: im here
[16:02] <nosrednaekim> vinnie_: you quit that application?
[16:02] <vinnie_> nosrednaekim: i just closed the terminal
[16:02] <nosrednaekim> ok.
[16:02] <nosrednaekim> now,open another one, and log into su again
[16:02] <LimCore> ubuntu uses own patches to kernel?
[16:03] <LimCore> I tried running selfbuilded kernel and it was not very well working... it worked ok in example on my debian box
[16:03] <vinnie_> nosrednaekim: im in
[16:03] <flipstar> yes the ubuntu kernel is modified from the original
[16:03] <nosrednaekim> vinnie_: and run "cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /mnt/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[16:04] <simi> hi, i am comming from ubuntu, i installed compiz but after a relogin it does not start automaticaly, i can make a script to start it but why it does not start automaticaly?
[16:04] <vinnie_> nosrednaekim: its asking me if i want to overwrite
[16:04] <nosrednaekim> say yes
[16:05] <nosrednaekim> simi: use fusion-icon
[16:05] <vinnie_> is this going to overwrite pclos file
[16:05] <nosrednaekim> no
[16:05] <vinnie_> ok
[16:05] <nosrednaekim> it will overwrite the ubuntu one
[16:06] <simi> in the advanced desktop effects wjen i try to set my keys for the zoom in and zoom out  when i type the key combination CTRL+1 is not  working, in ubuntu it worked fine
[16:06] <flipstar> ctrl+1 is default size
[16:06] <nosrednaekim> simi: switch to the flat file config under general
[16:06] <flipstar> try ctrl+2
[16:07] <flipstar> btw here its super+<num>
[16:07] <simi> iwhere is the file configuration ? in my home/.configure?
[16:07] <flipstar> in ccsm
[16:07] <Azzco> How do I check CPU temp? What do I need to install and do I need to mess with the kernel?
[16:07] <flipstar> lm-sensors
[16:08] <flipstar> Azzco: after that just run sensors from terminal or use gkrellm or so
[16:08] <flipstar> no you can leave the kernel as it is
[16:08] <Azzco> lm-sensors is allready installed, should I be able to see cpu temp in karamba themes with just that?
[16:09] <flipstar> karamba might be need mbmon or so
[16:09] <feistel> hi
[16:10] <nosrednaekim> !sensors
[16:10] <ubotu> You might find something useful at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto
[16:10] <feistel> what is the best way for migrate from DAPPER DRAKE to GUTSY GIBBON ?
[16:10] <LimCore> Azzco: run:  sensors
[16:10] <vinnie_> nosrednaekim: is that all i need to do?
[16:11] <d3NieD> can anyone help make my usb optical mouse go in a straight line ? PLZ
[16:11] <feistel> without re-install Kubuntu
[16:11] <nosrednaekim> vinnie_: yes, sorry, try rebooting into kubuntu
[16:11] <flipstar> feistel: afaik you need to go over edgy and feisty..
[16:11] <nosrednaekim> !upgrade | feistel
[16:11] <ubotu> feistel: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[16:12] <feistel> flipstar, dapper -> edgy -> feisty -> gutsy ?
[16:12] <flipstar> just take a look at the link :)
[16:12] <feistel> ok , thanks !
[16:14] <d3NieD> how do I change mouse hardware settings/driver ?
[16:15] <LimCore> how to disable sshd from starting at startup?
[16:15] <nosrednaekim> !mouse
[16:15] <ubotu> Enabling extra mouse buttons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto  - Enabling serial mouse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[16:16] <d3NieD> mouse is optical usb
[16:16] <d3NieD> wont go in straight line !
[16:17] <alexbe01__> yay for defective pointing devices!
[16:17] <nosrednaekim> d3NieD: 0.o
[16:17] <d3NieD>  :'(
[16:17] <Daisuke_Laptop> in seriousness though, that's the first time i've ever heard of a problem like that
[16:18] <romunov> how do i choose which kde version do i want - kubuntu 8.04 with kde3 or kde4?
[16:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> all depends on what ISO you download
[16:18] <romunov> ah, never mind. i see the remix download section
[16:22] <LimCore> noone knows how to disable sshd from starting at srtar?
[16:22] <flipstar> probably in systemsetting>services
[16:24] <LimCore> and command line?
[16:24] <flipstar> sudo rcconf
[16:24] <LimCore> flipstar: nope, it is not there
[16:25] <LimCore> funny, it is not in rcconf, but it indeed is in services gui program... wtf
[16:28] <m4n> can someone help me with setting up vpnc in network manager
[16:28] <m4n> it doesnt seem to recognise my username and password
[16:28] <m4n> basically, I dont see an option to specify the IPSec secret
[16:29] <vinnie_> nosrednaekim: still no go
[16:29] <nosrednaekim> vinnie_: still the monitor problem?
[16:30] <vinnie_> nosrednaekim: http://pastebin.com/m5c26e177
[16:35] <nosrednaekim> vinnie_: mount the ubuntu partition again... lets have a look at its xorg.conf
[16:37] <chef_> hallo
[16:37] <nosrednaekim> vinnie_: pastebin it...
[16:38] <vinnie_> nosrednaekim: is this right "mount /dev/hdb7 /mnt"
[16:38] <chef_> jemand aus deutschland auch da
[16:38] <nosrednaekim> vinnie_: yes
[16:38] <vinnie_> and whats after that?
[16:39] <nosrednaekim> vinnie_: cat /mnt/etc/X11/xorg.conf and pastebin that
[16:40] <vinnie_> nosrednaekim: http://pastebin.com/d724fb7bd
[16:41] <euroxers_> Hello everyone ... I have installed compiz−fusion (it works) and my keybord doesn't work very well anymore .. i can't write special character with the touch Alt Gr
[16:42] <WeaponX> is there anyway to boot an iso file off a slave drive?
[16:44] <jussio1> !install | WeaponX
[16:44] <ubotu> WeaponX: Ubuntu can be installed in a lot of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall. Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[16:44] <jussio1> WeaponX: see the last link
[16:45] <WeaponX> can this work for other bootable isos aswell or only linux?
[16:45] <jussio1> I m not certain, sorry
[16:46] <WeaponX> kk thanks anywayz
[16:46] <nosrednaekim> vinnie_: looking... sorry, had to grab something to eat
[16:47] <vinnie_> nosrednaekim: np
[16:48] <nosrednaekim> vinnie_: ok, I see your problem here, you are telling it to use the nvidia drivers when you don't have them installed yet in ubuntu.
[16:48] <vinnie_> nosrednaekim: ok
[16:49] <vinnie_> nosrednaekim: we copied that conf file over earlier
[16:49] <nosrednaekim> right... :)
[16:50] <euroxers_> nobody can help me?
[16:50] <vinnie_> nosrednaekim: should i just do a reinstall?
[16:50] <vinnie_> nosrednaekim: or boot with the cd?
[16:50] <flipstar> euroxers_: its usally alt+altgr+key..
[16:50] <nosrednaekim> vinnie_: no... don't.... you need to add the failsafe recovery boot option, just one moment
[16:50] <vinnie_> ok
[16:52] <nosrednaekim> add this to the menu.lst http://pastebin.com/m3e2aae2
[16:52] <euroxers_> flipstar: it doesn't work: when i try to make appear the sign under 8 with Alt Gr, it doesn't work any more
[16:53] <luke__> does anyone here know hot to format an external hard drive into ntfs while running kde?
[16:54] <jussio1> luke__: I dont think you can...
[16:54] <jussio1> unles you do it from a vm
[16:54] <luke__> any fs type that xp will recognize?
[16:54] <flipstar> euroxers_: nothing appears then? but works without compiz ?
[16:54] <flipstar> luke__: fat
[16:54] <jussio1> luke__: you can get xp to recognise ext3
[16:55] <jussio1> !ext3 | luke__
[16:55] <ubotu> luke__: ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[16:55] <luke__> how? i have a bootable under linux hd that xp wont read
[16:55] <jussio1> luke__: see the last link there
[16:55] <luke__> is it because i made it bootable that it wont read?
[16:55] <vinnie_> nosrednaekim: ok... brb
[16:56] <nosrednaekim> wait...
[16:56] <flipstar> luke__: no .. you have to install those drivers
[16:56] <euroxers_> flipstar: my keybord worked normally this afternoon before i installed compiz fusion: non, when i try to make appear a sign with Alt Gr, the wrong character appears
[16:57] <luke__> oh i see.... well fat will work automatically right?
[16:57] <flipstar> euroxers_: just check systemsetting->language/keyboard once.. and then ask in #compiz-fusion :)
[16:57] <flipstar> luke__: right..fat and fat32
[16:58] <flipstar> for ext2/ext3 you have to install drivers
[16:58] <luke__> if i format it in fat (because the windows is on a different cpu that im not at liberty to configure) will it work without extra drivers?
[16:58] <euroxers_> flipstar: thanks for help
[16:59] <luke__> fat32 is for amd64 and i386 64 archs only, right?
[17:00] <nosrednaekim> luke__: no...
[17:00] <flipstar> fat can even readed from dos
[17:00] <luke__> i see.... you've been very helpful; and i'm grateful
[17:02] <luke__> i run a amd64 and had alot of  hassle last year with the lack of suppport for the processor...but the new distros like gutsy and hardy seem to have bridged the coompatability issues.....
[17:02] <nosrednaekim> yep... its much better now
[17:03] <luke__> what do you run nosre?
[17:03] <nosrednaekim> amd64
[17:04] <luke__> have you used the compiz effects like the cube?
[17:04] <nosrednaekim> yes..... but I am running kde4 now, so there is no need
[17:05] <luke__> really? i'm runnind kde gutsy and i have to run the command "compiz --replace' to get the 3d effects, and have little quirks pop up in the dm sometimes....
[17:06] <luke__> does kde4 fully integrate without any meddling?
[17:07] <nosrednaekim> not really.
[17:07] <nosrednaekim> you need to do the same thing
[17:07] <flipstar> wired apt-get autoremove just remove kdesu :O
[17:07] <luke__> does your dm wig out sometmes, like when confifuring your screensavers?
[17:08] <nosrednaekim> not really
[17:08] <nosrednaekim> flipstar: as long as you stillhave kdesudo, thats ok
[17:08] <flipstar> just installed it
[17:08] <luke__> hmmmmm.... methinks i might have conflicts between x and compiz
[17:08] <flipstar> luke__: might be an question of the graphic card ..
[17:09] <luke__> true....its not a great one...nvidia 6500
[17:09] <nosrednaekim> thats good enough
[17:09] <flipstar> 6600 here
[17:09] <luke__> but it borrows system memory and leaves me with 1.3 gigs ram
[17:10] <luke__> for high end games, i need a bit more
[17:11] <luke__> flipstar what enviornment you use? kde, gnome?
[17:11] <flipstar> kde of corse :P:P:D
[17:11] <luke__> wait were all on kde arent we?
[17:11] <flipstar> yep
[17:11] <luke__> duh
[17:11] <nosrednaekim> should be
[17:11] <luke__> i like gnome too
[17:11]  * nosrednaekim goes on witch-hunt
[17:12] <NickPresta> Gnome is evil ;)
[17:12] <luke__> the way the configs are set up in gnome makes more sense to me
[17:12] <Daisuke_Laptop> gnome is just a choice
[17:12] <luke__> but i digress because kde rocks
[17:13] <flipstar> its totally confusing..i searched an hour or so to find one simple thing :/
[17:13] <luke__> i know, but the administrator options are setup nice if you get used to it
[17:13] <diop> salut
[17:14] <diop> what's up men
[17:14] <NickPresta> hi, diop
[17:14] <luke__> greetings
[17:14] <diop> hi nick
[17:15] <luke__> anyone have the story behind beryl and the new compiz effects? they seem to be the same stuff, but i cant get the beryl repos. like i had it last year, where it would work with emerald
[17:16] <flipstar> they just merged
[17:16] <NickPresta> luke__, beryl is now compiz-fusion. They merged back together
[17:16] <luke__> i see
[17:16] <flipstar> beryl+compiz=compiz-fusion
[17:16] <luke__> i really liked the beryl setup
[17:17] <NickPresta> beryl is no longer in development (although you're free to use it if you really want to). Compiz-fusion and fusion-icon should satisfy your needs. It is almost identical to beryl
[17:17] <vinnie_> nosrednaekim: guess i should have figured out what to do before i left...lol
[17:17] <luke__> but compiz has that awesome paper airplane....
[17:17] <luke__> lol
[17:18] <luke__> anybody try virtualbox yet?
[17:18] <nosrednaekim> vinnie_: hehe
[17:18] <nosrednaekim> vinnie_: run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg"
[17:19] <nosrednaekim> then run "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart"
[17:19] <vinnie_> nosrednaekim: what then?
[17:19] <luke__> i use it(virtualbox) to run yahoo messenger and veohtv, but the graphical abilities are limited
[17:19] <nosrednaekim> that should give you a login scree,
[17:22] <vinnie_> nosrednaekim: ok
[17:23] <vinnie_> nosrednaekim: will that get me to a desktop?
[17:23] <kkerwin> Hi. I upgraded to 8.04, only to find that it broke my wireless network. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to figure out what went wrong. I was wondering if there was an easy way to downgrade back to Gutsy?
[17:26] <feistel> flipstar, I read the page and run update-manager
[17:26] <flipstar> cool
[17:26] <feistel> but say: Cannot install all available updates
[17:27] <feistel> Some updates require the removal of further software.
[17:27] <feistel> run "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" in a terminal to update your system completely.
[17:27] <feistel> and show 3 packages: gtk2-engines-gtk-qt kdebluetooth wpasupplicant
[17:27] <nosrednaekim> 1hardy | kkerwin
[17:28] <nosrednaekim> !hardy | kkerwin
[17:28] <ubotu> kkerwin: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[17:28] <kkerwin> nosrednaekim: Thank you.
[17:28] <flipstar> feistel: did you run that ?
[17:28] <feistel> flipstar, then I run "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade", and say:
[17:28] <feistel> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
[17:29] <feistel> I have my box up-to-date
[17:29] <flipstar> you might try to remove these packages manually and then run update-manager again
[17:29] <feistel> yes, I try but: kubuntu-desktop depends on kdebluetooth. :-(
[17:29] <feistel> ubuntu-minimal depends on wpasupplicant.
[17:30] <feistel> I can't remove that packages
[17:30] <feistel> because are basic pckages
[17:30] <flipstar> kubuntu-desktop is only an metapackage..you can reinstall after the upgrade is complete
[17:31] <feistel> flipstar, but wpasupplicant depends on ubuntu-minimal !
[17:31] <feistel> flipstar, you say : "dpkg -r kubuntu-desktop" ???
[17:32] <feistel> I need my desktop :-)
[17:32] <flipstar> its the same..but usally you shouldnt do so while updgrading..
[17:32] <flipstar> feistel: so update-manager just stopped with that message ?
[17:32] <feistel> yes
[17:32] <feistel> and show the window "Software Updates"
[17:33] <feistel> empty
[17:33] <feistel> with "INSTALL UPDATE" button disabled
[17:33] <feistel> without Changes
[17:33] <flipstar> hm..nothing more on the site..?
[17:34] <feistel> flipstar, yes : Upgrading using apt-get -- NOT RECOMMENDED
[17:35] <flipstar> hm you could remove kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-minimal for upgrading..but these file are usally helpful with upgrading..
[17:35] <flipstar> i would wait until i get a better tip :)
[17:35] <feistel> yes
[17:35] <feistel> ok, :-(
[17:36] <feistel> flipstar, I am upgradding  to 6.10 "Edgy Eft" from Ubuntu 6.06 ("Dapper Drake")
[17:36] <feistel> the 1st step
[17:37] <martijn81> what kde4 packages come with the latest beta?
[17:37] <flipstar> the latest stable..kde 4.0.2
[17:37] <deMz> hi
[17:38] <deMz> how can I make a downgrade of lib xine ?
[17:38] <Arwen> deMz, apt-get install package=version
[17:40] <deMz> ok
[17:40] <deMz> I tried this, how can I check now my xine version?
[17:40] <Arwen> damn it, anyone using Konversation? can I make it not reply to CTCPs?
[17:41] <flipstar> feistel: dont know it this helps.. http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_upgrade_from_Hoary_Hedgehog_-.3E_Breezy_Badger_-.3E_Dapper_Drake
[17:41] <flipstar> CTCPs ?
[17:42] <feistel> flipstar, ok
[17:43] <feistel> flipstar, that page say the same
[17:43] <feistel> have a copy+paste content from ubuntu official website
[17:43] <WeaponX> uhoh
[17:44] <feistel> flipstar, the B method say : Change every occurrence of dapper to edgy, and then apt-get update/upgrade
[17:46] <Fabio_> hi
[17:47] <jussio1> hi Fabio_
[17:47] <Fabio_> i need something
[17:47] <jussio1> ask away
[17:47] <Fabio_> please can you send me a kde desktop wallpaper ?
[17:47] <Fabio_> kde 4*
[17:48] <Fabio_> fields of peace
[17:48] <romunov> how about if you google for kde4 desktop? :>
[17:48] <jussio1> Fabio_: here is for kde3, I suggest you try in #kubuntu-kde4
[17:48] <Fabio_> there is no one there...
[17:49] <Fabio_> nobody using kde 4 ?
[17:49] <jussio1> Fabio_: not in here
[17:49] <romunov> i'm about to burn the remixed 8.04 beta
[17:49] <romunov> whopee
[17:49] <blekos> is there a specific channel for 8.04?
[17:49] <Fabio_> ok thank you
[17:49] <flipstar> #ubuntu+1 blekos
[17:49] <jussio1> #ubuntu+1 blekos
[17:49] <flipstar> hm
[17:49] <Jucato> #ubuntu+1 blekos
[17:49] <blekos> thnx
[17:49]  * Jucato yawns
[17:49] <jussio1> hehe
[17:49] <mado> hello guys ...
[17:50] <jussio1> hi
[17:50] <mado> http://phpfi.com/304467 ... currently my hard disk looks like this ...
[17:51] <mado> i wanted to know if i can delete all partitions and create new ones because i want to reinstall windows and also want linux installed on my computer
[17:51] <flipstar> sure..if you dont use it right now..why not
[17:51] <mado> well flipstar ... the problem is ...
[17:52] <ramzay> дыц-дыц-дыц все гениальное просто
[17:52] <Jucato> !ru
[17:52] <ubotu> Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[17:52] <mado> i don't know if i need the "DellRestore" and "DellMD3Play" partitions
[17:53] <ramzay>  yes it is = )
[17:53] <flipstar> mado: since they keep usally tools to restore..you should keep them
[17:53] <jckffyi> I have a laptop with windows xp installed, I am trying to set it up to dual boot with kubuntu, the issue is when the installer gets to the point about partitioning disks, is says that the hard disk is blank, I know that the drive is not blank since xp boots, Ive googled the laptop and the problem, but no luck at all, any one have any ideas?
[17:53] <mado> so ... all i can delete is "sda2" ?
[17:54] <flipstar> mada what is sda4 ?
[17:54] <mado> qtparted tells me that "sda4" was "DellRestore"
[17:55] <flipstar> okay then you should keep sda4 and sda1
[17:55] <mado> and "sda5" is "DellMD3Play" ...
[17:55] <mado> why keep "sda1" ?
[17:55] <flipstar> it says dell utilies..
[17:56] <nosrednaekim> recovery partition
[17:56] <tzanger> hmm, how on earth do I copy a movie dvd?  k3b says it can't play copy-protected data, and mplayer dvd:// won't even play it
[17:56] <tzanger> I do have libdvdread installed
[17:56] <mado> hmm ... yeah ... but isn't there a way to burn those partitions on a dvd?
[17:57] <philipp_> does someone know a charakter resignation software?
[17:57] <LjL-Temp> philipp_: err... perhaps "character recognition" is what you mean?
[17:58] <philipp_> LjL-Temp yea
[17:58] <LjL-Temp> !ocr | philipp_
[17:58] <ubotu> philipp_: OCR software for Ubuntu includes Tesseract, Ocrad and GOcr. GNOME users can use 'gocr-gtk' as a front-end to GOcr, while KDE users have Kooka available as a front-end to Ocrad and GOcr.
[17:58] <bulio> I have installed ubuntu 7.10 on my laptop
[17:58] <bulio> then I did apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[17:59] <bulio> now how can I remove the gnome section of ubntu?
[17:59] <bulio> any ideas how?
[17:59] <mado> flipstar: ... one more thing ... i thought i could delete every partition because i got some "driver and utilities"-cds
[17:59] <jussio1> !purekde | bulio:
[17:59] <ubotu> bulio:: purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »
[17:59] <LjL-Temp> bulio: removing libgnome-whateveritscalled will probably remove most things
[18:00] <flipstar> madar__: if you dont care about looding this partitions (support from dell) sure you can delete it
[18:00] <flipstar> *loosing
[18:00] <LimCore> bulio: why do that
[18:00] <LimCore> this is silly
[18:00] <bulio> thanks
[18:00] <nosrednaekim> !purekde
[18:00] <ubotu> purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »
[18:00] <jussio1> mado: I would not delete the dell partition, as you cannot replace it
[18:00] <LimCore> there are many good (well, as for linux) apps that are created using gnome libs, so what
[18:00] <mado> i will lose my support from dell when i delete it?
[18:01] <mado> so i have to keep every "dell partition" ?
[18:01] <jussio1> mado: we cannot anser that
[18:01] <flipstar> mado:  at least you wont be able to restore..ask the dell support
[18:01] <jussio1> mado: again, a dell question we cannot answer. :(
[18:02] <mado> uhuu ... ok ... then i will wait until tuesday to ask dell
[18:02] <mado> but thanks for your help
[18:03] <jussio1> :)
[18:03] <mado> erm ...
[18:03] <andrasteff>      /msg nickserv set hide email on
[18:04] <mado> currently i am using the live-cd ...
[18:04] <mado> the "speaker"-symbol near the clock ...
[18:04] <mado> it has a white X on red background on it
[18:04] <jussio1> mado: which sound card?
[18:04] <mado> i guess that's why i haven't heard any sound yet
[18:05] <flipstar> means:disabled..
[18:05] <mado> i don't know what sound card the computer has in it ... isn't there a command to detect that?
[18:05] <flipstar> sure
[18:05] <jussio1> yeah, lspci
[18:05] <mado> thanks ... just a sec
[18:06] <mado> well ... let's see
[18:06] <flipstar> mado: rather use lspci|grep -i audio
[18:06] <mado> http://phpfi.com/304486 ... the only thin with audio is "00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller
[18:06] <mado>  (rev 02)"
[18:07] <flipstar> thats it :)
[18:07] <mado> thanks *g*
[18:07] <mado> :)
[18:07] <mado> *g* is :) isn't it?
[18:07] <jussio1> mado: ahhh yes, that particular card needs some attention in gutsy
[18:07] <flipstar> btw how can i make a script call a terminal and then run in it ?
[18:07] <nosrednaekim> !intelHDA
[18:07] <ubotu> For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[18:08] <nosrednaekim> flipstar: "run in terminal"?
[18:08] <flipstar> yes
[18:08] <mado> is that for me nosrednaekim?
[18:08] <jussio1> mado: yep, thats for you
[18:09] <nosrednaekim> flipstar: right click on the script in kde->open with-> put in bash, check run in terminal
[18:09] <flipstar> nosrednaekim: for interactive autostart scripts for e.g.
[18:09] <mado> thanks jussio1 ... nosrednaekim ... flipstar
[18:10] <ether_c> Hi
[18:10] <mado> oh! ... do i really have to use the "compile" and "make install" commands?
[18:10] <ether_c> is this the channel for discussion on the new Kubuntu 4 beta?
[18:10] <ether_c> or is there a separate one for that?
[18:10] <flipstar> mado: you can also use checkinstall i guess
[18:11] <flipstar> ether_c: nope.. kde4 in #kubuntu-kde4
[18:11] <ether_c> thanks
[18:11] <nosrednaekim> ether_c: or #ubuntu+1 if they aren't kde4 specific
[18:11] <flipstar> nosrednaekim: does this work with autostart scripts ?
[18:12] <meydey> siema
[18:12] <meydey> dziala?
[18:12] <mado> isn't kde4 already stable?
[18:12] <nosrednaekim> flipstar: under .kde/Autostart? probably
[18:12] <flipstar> cool..thanks
[18:13] <mado> erm ...
[18:13] <mado> so thank you guys ...
[18:14] <mado> have a nice day ... see you soon
[18:15] <flipstar> open with-> put in bash, check run in terminal for a script..doesnt work..seems like it dont remember the setting..when i click on in it runs in background
[18:16] <Manad> hi
[18:16] <Manad> newbie question: if I have the .ttf file for a Windows font, can I use it in Kubuntu?
[18:17] <flipstar> yes..see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto
[18:18] <william_> manad: excellant question
[18:19] <Manad> if I write documents to use a certain font that is not available on other peoples' OS, will they still be able to display them (for example, by using <insert free font here> instead of MS Sans Comic)?
[18:19] <Manad> thanks for the link flip
[18:20] <flipstar> Manad: no i guess not since you need that font to display it
[18:22] <Lam> i set my screensaver to turn on automatically and lock my computer after 30 minutes, and it worked up till a while ago and now it doesn't do it automatically anymore.  can someone help?
[18:25] <flipstar> Lam: is it still enabled ?
[18:26] <Lam> flipstar: yeah. i can see that it's enabled and set to start after 30 minutes
[18:27] <william_> i had a weird thing.  i had a widget in kde that worked fine unless my system went into powersave mode.  if this happend sometimes i had to ctrl+alt+bksp and even sometimes a hardreboot
[18:28] <sebbar> what's the package to install xv?
[18:28] <nosrednaekim> !find xv
[18:28] <ubotu> Found: kfaxview, libxcb-xv0, libxcb-xv0-dbg, libxcb-xv0-dev, libxcb-xvmc0 (and 46 others)
[18:29] <sebbar> that doesn't help too much :)
[18:29] <nosrednaekim> no.... :)
[18:36] <sebbar> wow, this is turning out to be incredibly complicated... what a pain!
[18:37] <flipstar> what actually is xv ?
[18:38] <devon> has anybody else experienced some problems after updating hardy today?
[18:39] <flipstar> nope
[18:40] <sebbar> flipstar: a fast and functional image viewer/editor that's been around for ages... well I guess I have to compile it
[18:40] <sebbar> found this... http://blog.trivadis.com/blogs/yannneuhaus/archive/2007/09/19/xv-an-image-viewer-quot-on-ubuntu-7-04.aspx
[18:41] <devon> he left..
[18:43] <_Angelus_> how is hardy beta doing dudes?
[18:44] <hydrogen> #ubuntu+1
[18:46] <Manad> is there any way I can disable the shadow effect that occurs when I bring up the shutdown menu?
[18:46] <Arwen> _Angelus_, poorly
[18:46] <Manad> i just looked all over System Settings
[18:47] <_Angelus_> Arwen: :/
[18:47] <_Angelus_> is it so bad?
[18:47] <_Angelus_> :o
[18:52] <Arwen> the newest kernel doesn't like me
[18:52] <Arwen> it kernel panics if I have both X11 and vesafb at the same time
[18:53] <m15k> hey
[18:53] <maxym> freenode
[18:53] <alucardromero> knetattach needs to be fixed in KDE4
[18:53] <m15k> someoney might give me some hints installing kde4?
[18:54] <maxym> what is the server for freenote
[18:54] <alucardromero> irc.freenode.net
[18:54] <Manad> arwen, the next release is behind in terms of progress?
[18:54] <maxym> \irc.freenode.net
[18:55] <maxym> .irc.freenode.net
[18:55] <maxym> not connect
[18:55] <Manad> just "irc.freenode.net"
[18:55] <Arwen> actually, it's more properly "chat.freenode.net" now
[18:55] <Manad> do "/server irc.freenode.net"
[18:55] <maxym> irc.freenode.net
[18:55] <m15k> if i try to install kd4 vie apg-get install kde4-core apt-get messeges "kaputte pakete | corrupt packages"
[18:55] <alucardromero>  "/server irc.freenode.net"
[18:55] <maxym> thank
[18:55] <maxym> :D
[18:56] <Jucato> maxym: btw, this is in freenode already
[18:56] <Jucato> irc.ubuntu.org is an alias for freenode
[18:57] <alucardromero> I was gonna say that, but.... hehe
[18:57] <m15k> no ideas?
[18:58] <Jucato> m15k: try asking in #kubuntu-kde4
[18:58] <Manad> anyone else feels the next 2 years are make-or-break for the linux desktop? (unless the next Windows is as unpopular as Vista)
[18:58] <m15k> okay
[18:58] <m15k> thanks you
[18:58] <alucardromero> It would have been funny to see "maxym has left #kubuntu, maxym has joined #kubuntu".
[18:59] <sebbar> good I made it after I found a xv deb on ubuntuforums :)
[18:59] <nosrednaekim> :)
[19:00] <alucardromero> Manad, if Windows bombs another OS, it's gonna be Mac vs. Linux.
[19:00] <alucardromero> At least, that's what I think.
[19:01] <Evil_Mike> Hi, i have a problem with LCD4Linux 0.10.1-RC2-796, installed over aptitude on Kubuntu 7.10. My display works fine, if i start lcd4linux with -Fvv. If i try to start it without parameters, what should be normal, i get "Error 15: 'problems getting a response from "localhost" on port 6600 : Connection refused' ' Error: Cannot connect to MPD! Is MPD started?'. No, it isn't! I'm not using somethin with mpd in my config and i don't
[19:01] <Evil_Mike> want to use it. How can i get lcd4linux to start?
[19:10] <Evil_Mike> any ideas?
[19:14] <Manad> is there any way I can disable the shadow effect that occurs when I bring up the shutdown menu?
[19:24] <administrator> guru
[19:25] <mkargar> what is best audio editor for kde?(For cut and Paste)
[19:28] <nosredna_ekim> audacity
[19:29] <mkargar> is audacity powerfull?
[19:29] <nosredna_ekim> yes
[19:30] <nosredna_ekim> its not a kde application though... but it works in KDE
[19:30] <mkargar> i want a audio editor only for kde!
[19:32] <nosredna_ekim> I don't know if there is one... but audacity works fine
[19:34] <mkargar> dear friend.i want audio editor that writting by qt!no GTK!
[19:37] <secleinteer> hi, does anyone know if k9copy works with newer dvd drm schemes? i know that dvd shrink fails on these, and k9copy advertises itself as a 'linux dvd shrink'
[20:04] <simi> audacious is not working in kubuntu, it hangs. why?
[20:05] <simi> and i installed compiz set 4 desktops and i had displayed in the task bar 16
[20:05] <simi> in reality i have 4 desktops
[20:16] <p-f> Are there any pdf viewers that allow one to select which fonts to use when rendering documents? I recently got my hands on a particularly blurry pdf (but KPDF allows me to select and copy text from it, so I presume that it's changeable somehow).
[20:19] <p-f> I tried pdftohtml, but it converted the whole thing to underscores
[20:19] <bulio> does anyone have a guide to installing compiz-fusion on Kubuntu?
[20:20] <seventhdog> anyone?? i got problem with no screens found..im using acer 4520...graphic card NVIDIA Geforce 7000M..using ubuntu 7.04.04
[20:21] <bulio> anyone?
[20:21] <asobi> !compiz
[20:21] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[20:21] <bulio> thanks
[20:23] <sercik> Hi!
[20:23] <sercik> kubuntu hurdy is fantastic
[20:23] <sercik> finally my acer 5920 is perfectly suypported
[20:24] <sayers> yeah
[20:27] <dennister> hey folks...having some networking issues here...
[20:27] <dennister> question: can lisa and samba co-exist?
[20:28] <Dark_> ðóññêî ãîâîðÿùèå åñòü òóò?
[20:28] <manuel__> Anybody has an idea why adept says there is a new distribution version available? I'm pretty sure I installed Gutsy
[20:29] <dennister> manuel__: probably it's a kde4 thing
[20:29] <sercik> i think could be hardy??
[20:29] <sercik> hey!! to install nvidia driver??
[20:29] <dennister> !nvidia
[20:29] <ubotu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[20:30] <manuel__> Well it says it's Gutsy Gibbon
[20:30] <dennister> isn't it too early for hardy? april is development cycle
[20:30] <manuel__> I'm confused
[20:30] <luka> hello
[20:30] <dennister> manuel__: check which packages are available in the new distribution...betcha any $ iot has to do with kde
[20:31] <sercik> i have installed manually nvidia-glx-new
[20:31] <dennister> sercik: r u sure that's the right one for ur card? check with the howto
[20:32] <sercik> yes is newer
[20:32] <sercik> geforce 8600
[20:33] <manuel__> dennister: The distribution upgrader program failed, it says there was another packaging program open, which I can't see. How can I open the distribution upgrade tool again?
[20:34] <dennister> sercik: like i said, follow the howto...if you've already manually installed the nvidia-glx-new, and that's the right one for ur card, you shouldn't need to be asking how to install the nvidia driver...u may have already done that
[20:35] <dennister> manuel__: hmmm...another packaging program open that you can't see?
[20:35] <dennister> i'd restartx with ctrl-alt-backspace if i were you, to close any remianing apps and processes u can't see
[20:36] <manuel__> dennister: Adept won't open because it says there is something else open, I guess another packaging program, but I can't see any.
[20:36] <dennister> any networking gurus in here?
[20:37] <dennister> manuel__: that's why i suggested ctrl-alt-backspace to restartx
[20:37] <manuel__> dennister: oh ok, didn't see that.
[20:38] <dennister> <------needs some networking help here...strange stuff happening
[20:46] <nick_> when i try to lisen music he said audio output is in use ?
[20:47] <manueel> I think I installed broken packages or something,  how can I check for broken packages?
[20:47] <dennister> anyone know why a mode/router would, all of a sudden, stop showing the second computer? they're both connected, able to surf on both, but only one computer is showing up, no matter what i do...this wasn't the case a few days ago...
[20:47] <kokkinelle32> salut les gars
[20:48] <kokkinelle32> french
[20:48] <dennister> manueel: sorry, i forgot how to do that...i'm hoping a better helper than i will become active in here soon
[20:48] <manueel> adept says i didn't install firefox, but it appears installed in my menu and I'm running it.
[20:49] <xav__> bonjour je cherche comment pourvoir les pseudo de couleur sur kopete
[20:49] <dennister> manueel: there should be an option in adept to "fix broken packages" somewhere
[20:49] <lotux> anyone can help me to install a gt8800 on kubuntu ?
[20:49] <dennister> xav__: english please
[20:50] <dennister> xav__: !french
[20:50] <xav__> i want to know how i can see the colors in the pseudonyme kopete
[20:50] <philipp__> konqueror dosent find the konqeror-plugin-gnash. Where could it be?
[20:50] <lotux> anyone can help me to install a gt8800 on kubuntu ?
[20:51] <dennister> lotux: u mean the nvidia card?
[20:51] <lotux> yes
[20:51] <manueel> dennister: yeah that's what I'm looking for
[20:51] <dennister> !nvidia
[20:51] <ubotu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[20:52] <lotux> tnx
[20:52] <dennister> DarkWizzard: do I remember you correctly as a good helper in this channel?
[20:53] <DarkWizzard> dennister: maybe :)
[20:53] <xav__> is it forbiden to speak french ? my english is not totaly good
[20:53] <dennister> ok, well i really need a bit of elementary networking assistance here, if i could beg a few minutes of ur time
[20:53] <DarkWizzard> I'll try
[20:54] <dennister> great...question, do u know if samba and lisa can co-exist on the same 2 pc's
[20:55] <xav__> i see that anybody can help me so byebye !
[20:56] <DarkWizzard> No idea
[20:56] <DarkWizzard> never had anything to do with samba or lisa
[20:56] <lotux> DENNISTER: i cant ifind in Kubuntu this shortcut: System -> Administration -> Restricted Driver Manager in Ubuntu .
[20:57] <dennister> ok...how bout this one: why would my modem/router, which saw 2 computers one day, refuse to see the second or list it the next day?...both pcs are cpmmected amd o cam sirf pm bptj
[20:57] <dennister> oops...fingers slipped: both pc's are connected and i can surf with both of them
[20:58] <dennister> but the modem/router only lists one device, unlike yesterday
[20:58] <dennister> lotux: that's probably the howto you want
[20:59] <lotux> dennister: i i dont know where i can find Restricted Driver Manager in Kubuntu...
[20:59] <dennister> lotux: follow the ubuntu one, it'll work
[21:01] <lotux> dennister: yes i have no doubt that works bun to follow it i have to go in Restricted Driver Manager and i cant find it in Kubuntu
[21:03] <shadowbox> how do I get movies tp play? I forgot
[21:04] <nick_> how to see what i listen in my kopete from amarok
[21:07] <philipp__> konqueror dosent find the konqeror-plugin-gnash. Where could it be?
[21:07] <shadowbox> never mind I got it
[21:13] <shadowbox> what lib file do I need to play restricted formats?
[21:16] <shadowbox> what lib file do I need to play restricted formats?
[21:16] <emilsedgh> !mp3 | shadowbox
[21:16] <ubotu> shadowbox: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[21:16] <emilsedgh> !patience | shadowbox
[21:16] <ubotu> shadowbox: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[21:16] <shadowbox> thanks
[21:16] <emilsedgh> !repeat | shadowbox
[21:16] <ubotu> shadowbox: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com  http://wiki.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntuforums.org or http://www.kubuntuforums.net while you wait. Also see !patience
[21:16] <emilsedgh> shadowbox: ;)
[21:17] <sourcemaker> I have read the release notes of the new kubuntu version. This release notes descriptes the possibility of using an encrypted file system... Is this working well? Performance Issue?
[21:20] <william_> hey shadowbox
[21:21] <william_> do an add/remove and search for restricted and you should be fine
[21:21] <shadowbox> oh ok
[21:22] <william_> i like when people ask questions that even i know the answer to, because then i can actually help for a change :D
[21:22] <shadowbox> lol that worked
[21:22] <shadowbox> great thanks
[21:22] <william_> good stuff :) anytime
[21:23] <shadowbox> if you need any whole pc/ipod stuff. Look me up
[21:23] <shadowbox> :o)
[21:23] <nonewmsgs> shadowbox will do (this is my forum and registered nick)
[21:25] <nonewmsgs> everytime a new version is coming out i keep hearing how great it is and it makes it sooooo hard to wait
[21:27] <nick_> salut tlm
[21:27] <nonewmsgs> oh what is the gtksudo command for kde?
[21:27] <nick_> jaurai une petite question
[21:27] <nick_> doh sorry
[21:27] <nick_> mt
[21:28] <Dragnslcr> nonewmsgs- kdesudo
[21:28] <nonewmsgs> thanks
[21:34] <sourcemaker> can I use the SAP GUI with Linux? For example with wine?
[21:36] <nick_> hey guy
[21:37] <nick_> i install wow
[21:37] <nick_> and i want the icone in my destop do he have a way to do that ?
[21:38] <nick_> nvm
[21:51] <philipp_> how can i cange dolphin with konqueror?
[21:59]  * bnex-AFK is back.
[22:00] <martijn81> philipp_: +1 i also like to know that
[22:00] <martijn81> doing an smxi upgrade...
[22:04] <sourcemaker> how can I allow users to change the image on kde
[22:05] <bnex10> the desktop background?
[22:07] <vonMannstein> has anyone encountered a loss of video signal + freezing up of the install right after initializing?
[22:08] <klerfayt> vonMannstein: install of what?
[22:08] <vonMannstein> Kubuntu OS
[22:09] <klerfayt> vonMannstein: tried "safe graphics" mode install?
[22:09] <vonMannstein> safe graphics mode doesn't make a difference, made sure dvd-rom/hd were running in IDE mode (SATA)
[22:09] <vonMannstein> yeah :(
[22:10] <vonMannstein> trying to install on a abit ip35 board, quad core intel
[22:11] <vonMannstein> i even tried disconnecting my sata drives and attempting the install with straight IDE dvdrom and HD, to see if it was a sata controller driver issue
[22:11] <klerfayt> vonMannstein: tried googling for similar problems?
[22:11] <vonMannstein> starts initializing the installation....then blank screen, no video feed, dvdrom spins down
[22:12] <klerfayt> vonMannstein: it would make sense to make sure that motherboard will run on linux before buying it
[22:13] <sercik> !kde4
[22:13] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[22:14] <sercik> |hardy
[22:14] <sercik> !hardy
[22:14] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[22:15] <jpatrick> !msgthebot | sercik
[22:15] <ubotu> sercik: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.
[22:15] <scott_> greetings...  I am a linux/kubuntu noob... I need some assistance with a couple installs...please..
[22:15] <sercik> !msgthebot | jpatrick
[22:15] <ubotu> jpatrick: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.
[22:16] <vonMannstein> the one result i did find via googling suggested i switch from IDE to AHCI mode for both drives
[22:16] <nosrednaekim> ooooh, watch it!
[22:16] <sourcemaker> how can I change the user account image...
[22:18] <sercik> jpatrick: you have much humour, congratulation!
[22:19] <jpatrick> !opabuse | sercik (joke)
[22:19] <ubotu> sercik (joke): Leave the ops alone!
[22:20] <bnex10> sourcemaker: Settings > Apperance and Themes > Background
[22:20] <sourcemaker> bnex10: thanks
[22:20] <sourcemaker> bnex10: "Your administrator has disallowed changing your image"
[22:20] <nosrednaekim> scott_: whats the trouble?
[22:20] <bnex10> well your adminstrator have to allow it
[22:21] <bnex10> sourcemaker: let me poke around a bit
[22:21] <scott_> 1.  trying to d/l a good version if GIMP... IIRC 2.4 is the newest, but I am looking for a source.  2. skype for ubuntu
[22:22] <bnex10> sourcemaker: you want to change the desktop wallpaper (background) right?
[22:22] <scott_> gimp is separated into a bunch of separate tar files... not just a single d/l
[22:22] <sourcemaker> bnex10:  no... Security-Privacy/Password & User Account
[22:23] <bnex10> scott_: or use add/remove programs
[22:23] <bnex10> oh hold on
[22:23] <bnex10> sourcemaker: are you at your user info?
[22:23] <sourcemaker> bnex10:  yes.. I am
[22:24] <bnex10> sourcemaker: ok
[22:24] <nosrednaekim> !source | scott_
[22:24] <ubotu> scott_: You can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html
[22:24] <bnex10> sourcemaker: click on the grey button in the upper left corner
[22:25] <scott_> ok.. found the "add program"  installing gimp...thanks so far...
[22:25] <sourcemaker> bnex10: thats me problem... I am not allowed to change the image
[22:25] <bnex10> hmm
[22:25] <scott_> adept is scary good...  :-|
[22:25] <bnex10> sourcemaker: well it shouldn't forbid you
[22:26] <bnex10> sourcemaker: since it doesn't affect the rest of the system
[22:26] <bnex10> sourcemaker: let me switch to a non administrator account
[22:28] <scott_> question:  what do you folks recommend for a good wysiwyg  HTML editor for kubuntu?
[22:29] <sourcemaker> bnex10: problem solved...
[22:29] <bnex10> sourcemaker: ah wth it won't let me spawn a new kde session
[22:29] <bnex10> sourcemaker: and good
[22:30] <bnex10> sourcemaker: what was wrong?
[22:30] <nosrednaekim> scott_: kompozer
[22:30] <sourcemaker> bnex10: I have to change the user image source at the Login Manager.. and enable "Show List"... really strange feature
[22:30] <scott_> ok.. I will try that!
[22:31] <bnex10> sourcemaker: weird, oh well
[22:32] <sourcemaker> how can I clean my home directory for unused configuration files?
[22:32] <scott_> As noob to linux (decades of windoze)  it's amazing how much power you get for free, and kubuntu is just a little more work to learn.  Worth it to save $$$$
[22:32] <nosrednaekim> :)
[22:33] <bnex10> yep
[22:33] <bnex10> too bad that only dell offer ubuntu computers
[22:34] <bnex10> wish i could get an empty laptop without vista
[22:34] <sourcemaker> bnex10: that's right... by the problem is... that a beginner can't use linux... :-)
[22:34] <nosrednaekim> kubuntu is simple to add
[22:35] <bnex10> nosredkaekim: yes i know
[22:36] <nosrednaekim> bnex10: oh.. I read the "only" in the wrong place ;)
[22:36] <scott_> ok, this rocks!!!  I have completed gimp and skype install.  It's going to be easier than I though to have a full-function system to ween me off windoze...
[22:37] <bnex10> :D
[22:38] <scott_> I dove into linux, because *something*  blew past my macaffee anti-virus and wiped out my XP box...
[22:38] <scott_> removed the windows system files
[22:38] <bnex10> ooooo
[22:38] <bnex10> that's not good
[22:38] <bnex10> but linux is as vulnable as windoze
[22:38] <bnex10> virus writers target windows
[22:38] <scott_> ..and of course, my win xp install dvd got cracked in half :(
[22:39] <bnex10> wow
[22:39] <scott_> kubuntu would not install on my blister pack (sony viao)  desktop, too much proprietary crap to recognize
[22:40] <scott_> I build an amd x2 6000+  machine and it worked 1st try
[22:40] <nosrednaekim> bnex10: thats not true.... UNIX is inherently more protected
[22:40] <bnex10> i read that somewhere
[22:40] <bnex10> source is wrong :D
[22:40] <scott_> I did read that 98% of all viruses are written for win, and other platforms are more difficult
[22:41] <bnex10> yes
[22:41] <scott_> now if I can get the system to work with my maxtor 1-touch 4 I'll be happy
[22:41] <bnex10> stupid menu
[22:42] <bnex10> ok....
[22:42]  * bnex10 tries kde im client
[22:42] <nosrednaekim> scott_: external HD?
[22:42] <bnex10> kopete? weird name for an im client
[22:44] <scott_> yep, it's a one-touch 250gb backup/ usb 2.0
[22:44] <sourcemaker> bnex10: where is there orginal name from?
[22:44] <bnex10> name for what?
[22:44] <sourcemaker> bnex10: kopete
[22:44] <nosrednaekim> scott_: should work fine.
[22:45] <bnex10> sourcemaker: no idea
[22:45] <bnex10> sourcemaker: it's a IM client for kde
[22:45] <sourcemaker> bnex10: I know
[22:45] <sourcemaker> are there any translation tools like babylon for windows available?
[22:47] <nosrednaekim> scott_: try just plugging it in
[22:48] <scott_> it's plugged in, I am working on accessing it...to see if it appears on the system.  Also, I am installing kompozer atm
[22:49] <scott_> I am also looking for GIMP plgins
[23:05] <bnex10> awwww adept installer crashed
[23:08] <nonewmsgs> thats a bad time
[23:27] <drbrown> is it possible to create a custom kicker menu for one user and only give them access to a small number of apps?  I have locked down the users desktop with kiosktool, but want to eliminate items from the kicker menu as well.
[23:28] <duke_> hello
[23:29] <duke_> I need help please
[23:29] <nosrednaekim> drbrown: I believe you an do that under "apps to be excluded from session"
[23:29] <SlimeyPete> !ask | duke_
[23:30] <ubotu> duke_: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[23:30] <nosrednaekim> hi duke_, whats the problem?
[23:31] <bnex10> i notice Qtparted in adept
[23:32] <bnex10> i have gparted
[23:32] <duke_> I need to know how to rename the file initrd.img-2.6.22-14-generic.bak in the boot directory because I have to change the filename everytime I boot kubuntu, this appened after I updated in adept manager
[23:32] <bnex10> should i install qtparted and remove gparted?
[23:32] <Knightlust> bnex10: heh, don't use qtparted... it killed my (3) 1GB flash disks
[23:33] <bnex10> thx
[23:33] <bnex10> Knightlust: what about gparted?
[23:33] <Knightlust> gparted's nice, it's actually better than qtparted
[23:33] <bfrog> hows the new kubuntu?
[23:33] <bnex10> i still have feisty
[23:34] <nosrednaekim> duke_: what do you have to change it to?
[23:34] <duke_> I need to remove the .bak entension
[23:35]  * bnex10 is removing all gnome packages
[23:36] <duke_> there was an error during the update and i found out in the forums that the file was renamed after the error and it prevents Kubuntu from booting since the file needed has been renameed
[23:36] <Apple_Cat> just rename it with sudo, duke,sudo mv intitrd........-generic.bak initrd............generic
[23:36] <bnex10> huh
[23:36] <drbobb> hi, how does the hardy beta do wrt broadcom wireless?
[23:37] <dthacker> drbobb: hardy discussions are in #ubuntu+1
[23:37] <SlimeyPete> to rename a file, use "mv oldfilename newfilename" e.g. "mv file1.txt file2.txt". If you don't have permission to move the file you may need to use sudo e.g. "sudo mv file1.txt file2.txt"
[23:37] <drbobb> ie. will i spend most of a day struggling to regain connectivity if i update?;)
[23:37] <drbobb> dthacker: ok thx
[23:37] <bnex10> why not put hardy stuff in #ubutnu-hardy instead?
[23:38] <bnex10> just pointing that out
[23:38] <duke_> i'll try that SmileyPete
[23:38] <dthacker> bnex10: because there is always a +1.....
[23:38] <bnex10> ok
[23:42] <duke_> its says 'file' is not a directory....
[23:42] <duke_> sorry i'm nnooob
[23:43] <SlimeyPete> duke_: what exactly are you typing?
[23:43] <duke_> sudo mv /root/boot/ initrd.img-2.6.22-14-generic.bak /root/boot/  initrd.img-2.6.22-14-generic
[23:44] <SlimeyPete> you've too many spaces in there, I'd guess
[23:44] <SlimeyPete> surely it's /root/boot/initrd... each time
[23:44] <SlimeyPete> though.... it's probably meant to be /boot
[23:44] <bnex10> yep
[23:45] <SlimeyPete> because the initrd files are in /boot, not /root/boot
[23:45] <SlimeyPete> "/" is known as the "root directory", which may have confused you
[23:45] <duke_> ok
[23:45] <SlimeyPete> so in summary I reckon you want: sudo mv /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-14-generic.bak /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-14-generic
[23:46] <duke_> wow it worked
[23:46] <duke_> thanks a lot
[23:47] <SlimeyPete> no problem :)
[23:47]  * bnex10 is now removing a ton of gnome crap
[23:47] <duke_> I'll reboot to see if it solved my problem
[23:48] <brmassa> Guys, will Hardy KDE4 have a IRC client (konversation is not installed by default)?
[23:48] <accrc> Hi
[23:48] <Ashex> has anyone else been having issues messaging aim user with kopete?
[23:48] <brmassa> ops... sorry. didnt see about a proper forum for kde4
[23:49] <nosrednaekim> brmassa: I guess not
[23:50] <nosrednaekim> Ashex: in kde4?
[23:50] <Ashex> nosrednaekim, nah, I'm running hardy in kde3
[23:50] <nosrednaekim> Ashex: then, no...
[23:50] <bnex10> kde4 better have konversation installed
[23:50] <Ashex> nutters
[23:50] <Ashex> I'm running pidgin just so I can talk to the woman
[23:51] <bnex10> i got pidgin too
[23:51] <nosrednaekim> ok.... later ya'll
[23:51] <we6jbo> hi
[23:51] <we6jbo> I'm trying to setup NIS
[23:51] <Ashex> the computer runs sloooooooow when I'm updating the amarok database
[23:51] <Ashex> doesn't help that it's thousands of songs all at once
[23:51] <bnex10> Load average: 5.59 5.10 3.00
[23:51] <bnex10> not good :D
[23:52] <Ashex> heh
[23:52] <Ashex> highest I've had was 100
[23:52] <bnex10> damn
[23:52] <Ashex> how I love apache
[23:52] <we6jbo> but when I type ypcat I get, YPBINDPROC_DOMAIN: Domain not bound No such map passwd.byname. Reason: Can't bind to server which serves this domain
[23:53] <bnex10> Sysinfo for 'brant-desktop': Linux 2.6.22-14-generic running KDE 3.5.8, CPU: PentiumIII(Coppermine) at 548 MHz (1097 bogomips), , RAM: 115/122MB, 116 proc's, 2.1d up
[23:53] <bnex10> wish that have disk space usage, load average, and uptime
[23:54] <bnex10> Uptime: 2 days, 01:40:20
[23:54] <Ashex> heh
[23:55] <Ashex> your computer is blazing
[23:55] <bnex10> i'm going to reboot when adept finishes removing all of gnome crap
[23:55] <bnex10> :D
[23:55] <bnex10> if you have konversation, type "/exec sysinfo"
[23:56] <Ashex> heh
[23:56]  * Ashex loads up konversation
[23:57] <bnex10> this is taking longer to remove than it would to install
[23:57] <bnex10> wtf
[23:57] <Generic> Sysinfo for 'Phorin': Linux 2.6.24-12-generic running KDE 3.5.9, CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 5000+ at 1000 MHz (2011 bogomips), HD: 502/679GB, RAM: 1975/2025MB, 173 proc's, 37.32min up
[23:58] <Ashex> :D
[23:58] <bnex10> 173 running
[23:58] <profx> how do you add Flash to Konquero ?
[23:58] <bnex10> use firefox
[23:58] <bnex10> :D
[23:58] <profx> nope
[23:58] <profx> its not working properly in FF
[23:58] <bnex10> no idea
[23:58] <bnex10> it won't install in FF?
[23:59] <profx> then dont epl :D
[23:59] <profx> :/
[23:59] <profx> help*
[23:59] <bnex10> flash won't install on firefox for me
[23:59] <Ashex> !flash
[23:59] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[23:59] <profx> it installs fine on FF


[12:05] <mgariepy> good morning everyone
[13:32] <mhall119> highvoltage: ping
[13:35] <highvoltage> mhall119: pong
[13:38] <mhall119> highvoltage: so quite obviously I'm not going to have a qimo-gnome-session ready
[13:39] <mhall119> with the changes to the top panel, I'd have to re-think the qimo shell layout
[13:40] <highvoltage> mhall119: I was wondering if it was still relevant, considering Unity. I guess Qimo will be more appropriate for older machines?
[13:40] <mhall119> I think qimo still has a place on newer machines, it's just that the changes to Gnome in Natty were more significant than I expected
[13:44] <doctormo> highvoltage: Have you had any feedback on the background? or specs on what formats you need for other parts of the desktop?
[13:45] <highvoltage> doctormo: yes, I need something for the ldm theme. I took the starry background for that but it was a bit too... stark (not sure if that's a real english word). I think a lighter variation would perhaps be nice. currently the ldm theme is just an edubuntu logo on a light gray background, and it works but it's quite simple
[13:46] <doctormo> highvoltage: Can you send me the current image and perhaps a screenshot of it in context
[13:47] <highvoltage> doctormo: ok, I'm syncing a daily build right now and will test it within the hour or so, will send you a screenshot
[13:47] <doctormo> thanks
[15:04] <highvoltage> doctormo: this is ldm as it now looks for edubuntu: http://jonathancarter.org/files/temp/ldm_edubuntu.png
[15:04] <highvoltage> doctormo: the foreground font can only be a single colour at this stage
[15:05] <doctormo> highvoltage: Ok, so the idea is to make a background which fits around all those items
[15:05] <highvoltage> doctormo: yep
[15:23] <doctormo> highvoltage: Can you make a version with a bright green background? 0,255,0 ? I can make it a layer then and work on a version for it.
[15:31] <highvoltage> doctormo: yep
[16:50] <highvoltage> doctormo: http://jonathancarter.org/files/temp/ldm_edubuntu_greenscreen.png <- if that will help
[16:52] <doctormo> highvoltage: Is it always at the same resolution/aspect ration?
[16:52] <highvoltage> doctormo: nope, it's a login screen, so it will be different resoltions/aspect ratios
[16:52] <doctormo> Do the items move, change size?
[16:54] <highvoltage> the logo is horizontally centered, and the position of the username field is the same position relative to that
[16:54] <highvoltage> the information and preferences button is always at the bottom
[17:03] <doctormo> highvoltage: And always the same size?
[17:06] <highvoltage> doctormo: the text size is always the same, it would be different physical sizes on different displays, of course
[17:06] <highvoltage> doctormo: sorry, one important thing to mention is that ldm always stretches the wallpaper it's supplied with
[17:06] <doctormo> Of course, but I can do a full 2500x1600 image and have you use zoom or some such.
[17:07] <doctormo> OK, so that's harder to do
[17:09] <doctormo> highvoltage: OK so you should choose if it should look bad in widescreen or bad at 4:3
[17:12] <highvoltage> doctormo: I guess I'd rather stick with the plain background then :) (it looks Ok on both)
[17:13] <doctormo> highvoltage: It's one of the reasons plain backgrounds exist.
[17:13] <highvoltage> doctormo: *nod*
[17:14] <highvoltage> doctormo: the debian background worked quite well for ldm. I think it's something that we could probably get right for oreinic (or what ever it's called)
[17:14] <doctormo> highvoltage: Can you show me your ldm configuration please?
[17:15] <highvoltage> doctormo: it's basically just configured via ltsp's lts.conf, the only setting I currently have in there is LDM_THEME=edubuntu
[17:16] <doctormo> highvoltage: And what does that mean?
[17:16] <doctormo> to ldm?
[17:16] <highvoltage> it sets my theme to the edubuntu theme
[17:18] <doctormo> And the edubuntu theme is what kind of theme?
[17:18] <highvoltage> an LDM theme
[17:18] <highvoltage> (as in, a gtkrc file, wallpaper and logo)
[17:24] <doctormo> highvoltage: OK, I'm surprised you can't do much with an LDM theme with a gtkrc file
[17:25] <highvoltage> doctormo: how so?
[17:32] <doctormo> highvoltage: LDM isn't well documented at all, how anyone makes a theme is a mystery to me.
[17:33] <highvoltage> doctormo: I happened to have made a theme last weekend, I link to a tarball to if you want to look at it... http://jonathancarter.org/2011/03/19/spacefun-for-ltsp-on-debian/
[17:34] <highvoltage> doctormo: if you don't believe me about the limitations feel free to ask the authors
[17:34] <doctormo> highvoltage: One page suggests that the ldm theme is created with a simple python script.
[17:35] <highvoltage> yeah that was the old LDM that was still based on python, the newer (well for the last 2-3 years) LDM is rewritten in C
[17:37] <doctormo> highvoltage: I've very surprised that the system they've made doesn't not account for widescreen ratios.
[17:37] <bgarges> I wanted to know about this OS and how it would help our preschoolers
[17:37] <doctormo> But perhaps LTSP tends not to encounter them.
[17:37] <highvoltage> doctormo: it does, it's a known issue
[17:37] <highvoltage> hey bgarges
[17:39] <doctormo> highvoltage: Then any theme I created would look just as good as your debian theme linked
[17:40] <highvoltage> doctormo: that would be fine. we just need one for edubuntu :)
[17:41] <highvoltage> but the plain background will also be ok
[17:41] <highvoltage> (considering artwork freeze is thursday)
[17:42] <doctormo> highvoltage: Does the LDM greeter fall under the hidious Canonical copyright theft, I mean contribution agreement?
[17:43] <highvoltage> doctormo: not at all
[17:45] <doctormo> highvoltage: OK good, it's just that the sources say it's copyright Canonical and authored by a whole bunch of non-canonical people
[17:45] <doctormo> which looks wrong
[17:46] <highvoltage> that's possibly just the packaging itself. some componants are indeed copyright canonical (and rightly so), since mdz and ogra did most of the initial hard work
[17:46] <highvoltage> but there's no copyright assignment
[17:47] <doctormo> highvoltage: Yes, but the copyright would be shared between all authors in that case.
[17:48] <doctormo> Anyway it's not important for youself
[17:52] <doctormo> highvoltage: The code says that the image is scaled, so a 4:3 image would just have black bars to the sides.
[17:53] <highvoltage> doctormo: that's weird, I'm typing this to you now on a thin client with a wide-screen that doesn't have any black bars on LDM
[17:54] <doctormo> I could also be reading it wrong, although it's an easy change to get it to do what we want, the question is are we past the freezing point?
[17:56] <highvoltage> it was around 2 weeks ago
[17:57] <highvoltage> doctormo: I guess changing the behaviour now would be kind of risky (since it would probably affect other themes), so it would be nice to put that on the wall for the next release
[17:59] <doctormo> highvoltage: Does ldm crash if your theme doesn't have one of the icons?
[18:05] <highvoltage> doctormo: yes
[18:14] <doctormo> Have you ever tried to build the package? autogen's a bit of an issue
[18:15] <highvoltage> nope, stgraber might be able to help you there
[18:20] <doctormo> highvoltage: OK got a patched gtkgreeter built, I use an ENV bool LDM_CENTERBG, if it's false then it'll be as usual. If true, then it won't scale
[18:20] <doctormo> But center
[18:20] <doctormo> Even if it's for next release, can you test it for me?
[18:24] <doctormo> highvoltage: http://paste.ubuntu.com/583915/ I can also pop it into a ppa later too if required