[01:17] <thewrath> i have a pcap i want to replay on my network. hwo can i do that
[03:04] <N7OKL> help please....set up XP/10.04LTS dual booot....worked fine for several months...now will only boot from windows media....will not boot anything linux...not even from a live CD....help please
[03:05] <holstein> N7OKL: what live CD? the same one?
[03:06] <holstein> could be you got a kernel upgrade, and that broke something... look in your grub list for an older kernel to try and boot
[03:07] <N7OKL> have tried several different live cd....nothing linux will boot......could it be a windows virus that has messed up bios?
[03:07] <holstein> N7OKL: have you tried the same one? the 10.04 one you installed with?
[03:07] <N7OKL> yup....will not boot from it
[03:07] <holstein> otherwise, you could be booting newer kernels that dont support your graphics card.. a kernel that you could have upgraded to
[03:08] <holstein> N7OKL: OK... then that does *not* support my theory
[03:08] <holstein> N7OKL: i think thats got something to do with the media, or the way you are trying to boot from the bios or something user error related
[03:08] <holstein> i still say, try booting an older kernel in the list... kernel upgrades break things sometimes
[03:09] <N7OKL> made an image of just the windows instal and the dual boot using clonezilla....will not boot from that disk either
[03:09] <holstein> N7OKL: right.. i think something is up with your hardware then
[03:09] <holstein> the rom drive, the ram... the motherboard
[03:09] <holstein> i would test the ram and swap out the rom drive
[03:10] <holstein> try and use the *exact* same disc you installed ubuntu with, then you know the iso is known good
[03:10] <N7OKL> think it might help to go back to the windows factory restore and update the bios?
[03:10] <holstein> N7OKL: ?
[03:11] <holstein> take the hard drive out if you like
[03:11] <holstein> you need to troubleshoot why CD's arent booting
[03:11] <holstein> check cables
[03:11] <holstein> check connections
[03:13] <N7OKL> have spent 4 hours trying 4 versions of linux (all work on my desktops) and 3 'repair tools' (again, work fine on my desktops)...so far, the only thing it will boot from is the windows partion and the windows factory restore disk
[03:13] <holstein> N7OKL: right, so take the hard drive out of the equation
[03:13] <holstein> check the connection and cables to the rom drive
[03:14] <holstein> swap that out if you have a spare
[03:14] <holstein> test the ram with a live CD when you get it booting
[03:14] <holstein> double check the bios settings
[03:14] <N7OKL> Will try that....will you be around in an hour or so?
[03:14] <holstein> maybe
[03:14] <holstein> someone is always here :)
[03:14] <N7OKL> ok.....
[03:14] <holstein> i might crash
[03:14] <holstein> but im logged in
[03:15] <N7OKL> must be a few hours ahead of me....near Seattle, WA
[03:34] <mirza> Hi..
[05:58] <N7OKL> ok....can use clonezille to backup an image to an external hard drive....how do I do it to span DVDS?
[06:00] <N7OKL> is there a live cd that will back up a drive image to DVDs?
[07:01] <galinganmd> hi, does anybody know how to make jasperserver (of jasper reports) get permissions to write files
[14:33] <de_horse_> anyone alive?
[14:34] <Snicksie> yeah, i am ;)
[14:34] <Snicksie> just ask your question de_horse_ ;)
[14:35] <de_horse_> nice... another insomniac or up early for work
[14:35] <de_horse_> or east coast i guess lol
[14:37] <Snicksie> europe ;)
[14:52] <de_horse> where is everyone?
[16:39] <deper29> question: my network applet is gone. when I run nm-applet I get this http://paste.ubuntu.com/765083/
[16:39] <deper29> it is still in my startup applications, but has just disappeared :/
[16:44] <deper29> anybody able to help?
[16:45] <geirha> Hm. Which Ubuntu release?
[16:45] <deper29> 10.04
[16:45] <geirha> deper29: Then the notification area has probably just been removed from your panel for whatever reason.
[16:46] <geirha> Right-click panel -> Add to panel -> notification area
[16:46] <deper29> gah! easy. thanks :)
[16:46] <geirha> :)
[16:46] <deper29> fixes everything perfectly :)
[18:02] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I recently installed Ubuntu 11.10 and never really used Linux before except for Mac OS X.  I downloaded Firefox 8.0.1 from the Mozilla website and cannot figure out how to install files with the file extension it had.
[18:04] <pleia2> SthrnDixieCwgrl: you really want to be using a package manager rather than downloading it from the website, there are some instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion
[18:04] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> What
[18:04] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I am still in the Linux for Dummies stage
[18:05] <pleia2> that link I gave has instructions :)
[18:05] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I know 20 years of windows and 19 months of Mac OS X
[18:05] <pleia2> you don't want to download from the mozilla website, you want to follow the directions on that link I gave
[18:06] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I have always used the Mozilla site for all my OS
[18:06] <pleia2> typically in Linux things are installed using the Software Center (or similar package installer), you very rarely want to go to a website to download software like you would in Windows
[18:07] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I went to the google website and downloaded Chrome and it installed with no issue
[18:07] <pleia2> chrome is one of the exceptions, since Google maintains a repository for it that you can use with the Software Center
[18:08] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> is that what they call a .deb file
[18:08] <pleia2> a .deb file is a software package, in the case of Chrome it not only installs the package, but also adds itself to the Software Center so you get updates too
[18:09] <pleia2> firefox doesn't do this, so you need to look at the instructions I linked
[18:09] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> Is a .deb file in linux do something a similar to what a .exe file does in windows
[18:10] <pleia2> similar to an .exe installer file
[18:10] <pleia2> but you don't run a deb to launch a program like you would run an exe
[18:10] <pleia2> a .deb just installs stuff
[18:10] <Unit193> !software | SthrnDixieCwgrl
[18:10] <ubot2> SthrnDixieCwgrl: A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents
[18:10] <pleia2> thanks Unit193 :)
[18:11] <Unit193> pleia2: No problem :)
[18:11]  * pleia2 gets back to her work
[18:12] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> so the deb file i downloaded for Chrome to install it on Ubuntu is just like me downloading the exe file for it in windows to install it on that OS
[18:13] <Unit193> For the most part, yes, but installing stuff in Ubuntu isn't the same as for Mac OS X and Windows
[18:14] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> i learned where the applications are installed in mac (/Applications/<whatever app I want) but I cannot find that location in Ubuntu
[18:18] <Unit193> Have a look at either https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwitchingToUbuntu/FromWindows or https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwitchingToUbuntu/FromMacOSX   There are a few locations the bins are located in, but normally you could just open a terminal and type the name (eg, chrome )
[18:19] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I went to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion  and it took me to https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-stable  and then I cannot figure out from that list which one I want
[18:22] <Unit193> There should be something called "Ubuntu Software Center" in your "start" menu, if you open that and search for Firefox, you should get the new one
[18:24] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> It came with Firefox 7.0.1 and I went to Help>about to check for updates and that option was not there, so I uninstalled firefox and went to the Mozilla site to get the new version
[18:25] <pleia2> is there a specific reason you need the new version?
[18:25] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> stabilithy
[18:25] <pleia2> it ships with 7.0.1 because it's fully tested and secure, newer versions may not be as much
[18:25] <Unit193> pleia2: 8 is in repo, I think she just needs to run updates
[18:26] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> 7.0.1q is outdated
[18:26] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> 7.x is old
[18:26] <pleia2> Unit193: aha, you're right :)
[18:27] <pleia2> SthrnDixieCwgrl: Unit193 is correct, just open the "Ubuntu Software Center" and install firefox, you will get 8.0
[18:28] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> If i get it from software center it is a 78.0MB download but if I get it from Mozilla it is a 16.2MB download
[18:29] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> Why is there a 61.8MB difference
[18:30] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> i have never had to download a file over 70MB for a web browser
[18:30] <Unit193> That'll get the rest of the programs it needs, that also may be installed size, not download size
[18:30] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> The install size according to software center is over 100MB
[18:31] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> 188MB when installed
[18:33] <Unit193> Does it tell you what depends it's also getting?
[18:34] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I don't know
[18:35] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> Also Adobe wants to give me an apt file for flash player
[18:35] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> what ever that is
[18:36] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> Adobe Reader downloaded a bin file
[18:38] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> Java gives me a bin and a .rpm.bin files to download
[18:39] <Unit193> No, that's NOT how you normally install things in Ubuntu. There have been a few links to guide you to how you're supposed to do it
[18:39] <Unit193> !java
[18:39] <ubot2> To just use java you need a "Java Runtime Environment" (JRE) and/or a browser plugin. If that is not sufficient you will need a "Java Development Kit" (JDK) aka "Software  Development Kit" (SDK).  Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java about how to install one of three current implementations.
[18:40] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I tried to install java and it says Could not display "/home/<user name/Downloads/jre-6u29-linux-i586-rpm.bin".
[18:40] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I cannot install Adobe Flash Player and Adobe Reader either
[18:43] <Unit193> For Java, you have to enable the "third party repository" and for flash, search the Software Center, not their site
[18:43] <hobgoblin> evening
[18:45] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I still cannot get adobe reader to install
[18:45] <Unit193> Ubuntu comes with a PDF reader already, it's just not called "Adobe Reader" and flashplugin-installer should be3 the thing to install (IIRC)
[18:46] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I like Adobe
[18:46] <tuxampol> hello Unit193
[18:46] <Unit193> Howdy, tuxampol
[18:47] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> that is why I want that one installed
[18:48] <Unit193> Well, if you have to have Adobe Reader, you can install it via the repo once you enable the "Partner Repo"
[18:48] <Unit193> !partner
[18:48] <ubot2> Canonical's partner repositories provide packages a location for software vendors to publish applications. The repo itself can be added by running this in a !terminal: « sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ $(lsb_release -sc) partner" »
[18:49] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> terminal is where
[18:49] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I cannot find the Utilies folder in the Applications folder
[18:49] <Unit193> hobgoblin: You use Unity, where is the terminal?
[18:50] <hobgoblin> I use xubuntu
[18:50] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I ccannot find/Applications/Utilities/Terminal
[18:51] <Unit193> It's in Accessories
[18:51] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> Where is /Applications/Utilities
[18:51] <Unit193> Part of the menu, so Menu > Accessories > Terminal
[18:51] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> :-/
[18:51] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> what
[18:52] <hobgoblin> SthrnDixieCwgrl: go to the ubuntu symbol at the the top - click it = when you get the dash open - just start to type terminal and it will show up - then click on it
[18:52] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> in Mac OS X terms
[18:52] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> Me Mac OS X 10.6 and 10.7 user
[18:52] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I need translation
[18:52] <hobgoblin> if not try - Alt+F2 then type terminal in the box and enter
[18:53] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> run a command
[18:54] <hobgoblin> what command?
[18:54] <hobgoblin> it's of no use telling me what a thing might be in Mac - closest I get is walking past the apple shop
[18:54] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I pressed Alt+F2 and it said on the screen run a command
[18:55] <hobgoblin> oic - try terminal or gnome-terminal
[18:55] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I am a mac/Windows person I have used Linux/Unix/Ubuntu for about 5 hours
[18:55] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I have used Mac for 19 months and Windows 20 years
[18:56] <hobgoblin> yep - that's cool - just let me get my virtual thing going and I'll see if I can help you some
[18:56] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> the only thing i know about unix is Mac os X is based on it and there are no viruses
[18:56] <hobgoblin> but - the first thing to try and get is that it is much easier and simpler to install from repositories than getting stuff from sites
[18:57] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I have used Windows since 3.0 so what does that tell you
[18:57] <Unit193> Tells me you beat me by one version point ;)
[18:57] <hobgoblin> lol
[18:57] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I have been a Bill gates follower for many many years
[18:57] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I take it you started with Windows 95
[18:57] <hobgoblin> SthrnDixieCwgrl: the hardest thing is going to be that it is different
[18:58] <Unit193> No, 3.1
[18:58] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I forgot about 3.1 and 3.11
[18:59] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I know in  windows if you download a file you double click on it and follow the instructions on the screen
[18:59] <hobgoblin> yep - different here :)
[19:00] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I went to Mozilla and downloaded Firefox 8.0.1 and it gave me a tar.bz2 file
[19:00] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> what is that
[19:00] <hobgoblin> liek a zip file - just a different format
[19:00] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> then I went to adobe to get reader and it gives me a bin file
[19:01] <hobgoblin> lol
[19:01] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> then while at that site i went to get Flash player and I get a apt file
[19:01] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> what is apt
[19:01] <Unit193> Bin is easier to handly actually
[19:01] <hobgoblin> let's just do one thing at a time
[19:01] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> does that mean apartment
[19:01] <Unit193> One at a time is a good idea
[19:01] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> java.com gave me 2 files, one is a bin file the other a rpm.bin
[19:02] <hobgoblin> SthrnDixieCwgrl: you don't want rpm's ever
[19:02] <hobgoblin> well not now anyway
[19:02] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I need a windows converter
[19:02] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> What is wrong with RPM files
[19:02] <Unit193> It's used in RedHat based systems, you're using a Debian based system
[19:02] <hobgoblin> different format of packaging fro applications
[19:03] <hobgoblin> SthrnDixieCwgrl: ok - got the vm up now - have you got the terminal open yet?
[19:03] <LemonAid> Hi folks. Can anyone explain or link to a good description of what the "Users folders update" does?
[19:03] <LemonAid> (startup service)
[19:04] <hobgoblin> SthrnDixieCwgrl: so one at a time what are you trying to accomplish
[19:04] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> All I know is that I went to Ubuntu.com and downloaded the iso file, burned it to a disc and used wubi.exe to install it
[19:04] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> i just want my java/Adobe plugins and firefirefox
[19:05] <hobgoblin> have you got the terminal open yet?
[19:05] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> When i made the change to Mac OS X I need a Windows to mac OS X translation guide to tell me this is the windows term and in Mac OS x it will now be called this
[19:06] <Unit193> LemonAid: "Update common folders names to match current locale"
[19:06] <Unit193> LemonAid: http://askubuntu.com/questions/11415/which-startup-applications-can-i-safely-turn-off
[19:07] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> When ubot told me to use « sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ $(lsb_release -sc) partner" » terminal told me command not found
[19:07] <hobgoblin> SthrnDixieCwgrl: shall we deal with firefox?
[19:07] <LemonAid> I saw the description and also looked at the answer before asking here, didn`t help me much. Thanx anyway.
[19:08] <Unit193> LemonAid: This is also a good one to check http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1326766
[19:08] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I have the firefox-8.0.1.tar.bz2 file downloaded
[19:08] <LemonAid> Unit193, that looks like it might actually help. Thank you!
[19:09] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: thats not the way you want to do it
[19:09] <holstein> are you trying to get the latest firefox?
[19:09] <hobgoblin> if you use that then everytime it updates then you need to get the new file - there is a way to add a stabe updated version without
[19:09] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> yes since I don't have it at all on Ubuntu 11.10
[19:09] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: we use a package manger for everything.... its not like windows in that, you dont go to each place to get updates.. you set the package manager sources, and update all at once
[19:10] <hobgoblin> http://pastebin.com/xyDDQbgs
[19:10] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: you dont have firefox? you go to the software center and search firefox.. you can search flash there as well
[19:10] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> then why does Mozilla give you the option to download it
[19:10] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: ?
[19:10] <hobgoblin> run those commands in a terminal SthrnDixieCwgrl and it will set you up with the latest stabel
[19:10] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: you dont *have * to do it this way.. its just easier
[19:11] <holstein> then, you dont have to bother with manual updates
[19:11] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> it came with 7.0.1 and when i went to help.about there was no chek for update option so I removed it from the system and went to mozilla to get the current version
[19:11] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: its more like OSX is that regard.. with the system updates that come in all at once, and some key apple components are updated there as well
[19:11] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: sure... i can give you a ppa for the current stable build
[19:11] <hobgoblin> SthrnDixieCwgrl: look at http://pastebin.com/xyDDQbgs
[19:11] <hobgoblin> that will get you what you want
[19:11] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-stable
[19:12] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> i have Chromium and google chrome installed are they the same thing
[19:12] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> are they technically the same browser
[19:12] <Unit193> Chromium is the OpenSource "version" of Chome
[19:12] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: sure.. and you can add the source for firefox stable, and get updates automatically
[19:13] <holstein> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:mozillateam/firefox-stable
[19:13] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[19:13] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: then, you can look in the software center, or apt-get install firefox, or whatever you are comfortable with
[19:13] <hobgoblin> holstein: those are all in the pastebin ...
[19:15] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I went to terminal and i put in sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mozillateam/firefox-stable  followed the on screen instructions and i still have no firefox installed
[19:15] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: right. that gives you the source for the updated firefox
[19:15] <Unit193> Now paste   sudo apt-get install firefox
[19:15] <holstein> sudo apt-get update updates the package list on the machine
[19:15] <LemonAid> Unit193, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1326766 got me to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89491 witch is actually the sort of guide i needed in the first place, so thanx for the help :)
[19:15] <holstein> and sudo apt-get install firefox installs the firefox back that you removed
[19:16] <Unit193> LemonAid: Awesome, glad that helped!
[19:16] <Unit193> That is a good one
[19:20] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> Where is the option When updates to firefox are found Ask Me what I want to do
[19:20] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: you can take a screenshot if you need.. but i assume you are talking about your plugins
[19:21] <holstein> thats going to depend on if mozilla has kept support for your plugins
[19:21] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I have that option in Firefox for windows and Mac OS X but not in Ubuntu
[19:21] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: "that" option?
[19:21] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: OH
[19:21] <holstein> yeah, its all in the package manager
[19:22] <holstein> you dont go to each application and upgrade them
[19:22] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: its all done at the same time by whatever tool you choose
[19:22] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I have it where the browser will not upgrade to the next version unless it asks first
[19:22] <holstein> the upgrade manager for example
[19:22] <holstein> it'll popup, and check for upgrades
[19:23] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: you dont ask FF to upgrade... in ubuntu, its more of a 'set it and forget it' kind of thing
[19:23] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I went to Tools>Options>Advaned>Update in Firefox in Windows
[19:23] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: right
[19:23] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: its different
[19:23] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: its in the upgrade manager that you will look now
[19:24] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: this is considered a convenience by some.. i know i prefer it
[19:24] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I like that option that Firefox has for the Windows version and that option also exists in the Firefox application in Mac OS X
[19:24] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: you can run the windows version of FF in wine
[19:24] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> i do not like applications updating without my knowledge
[19:24] <holstein> you can run windows in virtual box
[19:24] <holstein> you can run linux in virtual box
[19:24] <holstein> there are literally all kinds of options to get *exactly* what you want
[19:25] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: the upgrade manager can be set to do whatever you choose
[19:25] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> In Windows I have the wuapp.exe (Windows Update) set to the option Check for updates but let me choose to download and install them
[19:25] <holstein> by default, i believe it checks and repots
[19:25] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> i have that set for a reason
[19:25] <holstein> it will not upgrade automatically
[19:25] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: rigth
[19:25] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: you can mirror that workflow
[19:25] <holstein> in the upgrade manager
[19:26] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: you dont do it for *each* *individual* *application* though
[19:26] <holstein> you do it once in the upgrade manager
[19:26] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> if I didnt then windows would download updates for Outlook 2010 when i  do not have that part of Offie installed
[19:26] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> Office
[19:26] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> why install an update for a program that you do not have installed
[19:26] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: right... the upgrade manger is checking the sources for upgrades to libreoffice.. FF.. chrome.. everything
[19:27] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: that doesnt happen
[19:27] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> have you used windows
[19:27] <holstein> you have applications installed, and they get upgraded
[19:27] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: yes
[19:27] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> What is the Ubuntu version of Windows Update
[19:27] <hobgoblin> SthrnDixieCwgrl: loits of us have - we have all been where you are
[19:27] <hobgoblin> update manager
[19:27] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> which is where
[19:27] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: there is none.. its entire system upgrade
[19:27] <holstein> everything all in one go
[19:28] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: update manger is what the application is called
[19:28] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> meaning when i go from version 11.10 to 11.x that will be me using the Ubuntu version of windows Update
[19:28] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: if you are new to ubuntu/linux, i would say, take your time, and "get your feet wet"
[19:29] <holstein> if you used the older version of FF, it wouldnt hurt anything... security patches are applied to 11.10 for 18 months
[19:29] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: you will go from 11.10 to 12.04 *if* you choose
[19:30] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> that will be kinda like using windows Update for Ubuntu
[19:30] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: you can use that upgrade tool, or the command line.. or synaptic
[19:30] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> synaptic is the manufacturer of my trackpad
[19:30] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: synaptic is a package manager
[19:30] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> and you cannot find driver for Ubuntu for it
[19:31] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> but i can find the Windows drivers for it
[19:31] <holstein> you can install packages, you can upgrade the system.. its similar to the software center
[19:31] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: the linux kernel is modular
[19:31] <holstein> if drivers can be included, they generally are.. is your touchpad not working?
[19:31] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> synaptics made the mouse thing in my laptop
[19:31] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: yes... is it not functionign?
[19:31] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> there are no linux drivers for it but there are Windows drivers
[19:32] <Unit193> Just remember that Synaptics and Synaptic are different
[19:32] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: ?
[19:32] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: so, its not working?
[19:32] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: you dont need drivers the same way as in windows
[19:32] <holstein> again... i suggest taking your time, and getting used to the way things work
[19:33] <hobgoblin> SthrnDixieCwgrl: please - do you actually want help with specific issues - or are you now just trying to tell us the differences between linux and windows - if that is the case - we know the differences :)
[19:33] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> my touchpad/trackpad/mouse thing is made by synaptics.com
[19:33] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> whoever they are
[19:33] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: there are several reasons why you wont see linux drivers for download
[19:34] <holstein> they arent needed in a lot of cases
[19:34] <holstein> they are just "in the kernel" typically
[19:34] <holstein> and, vendors that dont support linux, just dont support linux
[19:34] <holstein> so, we either go around them, or deal with the breakage
[19:34] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> cause there are about 5 billion different kinds of linux/unix/ubuntu out there
[19:35] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> all having a penguin for there logo
[19:35] <holstein> ?
[19:35] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: linux is the kernel, and its opensource
[19:35] <holstein> *anyone* can use it as they please
[19:35] <holstein> just the few subtle differences you are pointing out should give you an idea as to why there would be so many different versions
[19:36] <holstein> with different funcionalities
[19:36] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> the last time i used linux was redhat 5.0  whenever that version first came out
[19:37] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I needed an elective in college and the only way i passed the course was that every test we had was open book
[19:37] <holstein> cool... that will help
[19:37] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> that is how i passed and if it was not opened book then i would have failed
[19:38] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: yup.. i understand.. openbook tests.. you didnt really absorb anything...
[19:38] <holstein> but, i still say, i think that experience will help you :)
[19:38] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> The closest thing I came to Unix after that was making the move to Mac OS X in may 2010
[19:38] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> from the time I had that red hat course to making the move to Apple I was a WINDOWS user
[19:39] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I went to Apple where the hardware plays well with each other unlike with Windows
[19:39] <holstein> yeah, its easier when there is a smaller base of hardware
[19:40] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> and the 3 years of misery with Vista
[19:40] <holstein> i mean, its not fair to compare the 2 really... things that dont work in OSX, just literally dont work
[19:40] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> Microsoft bringing back Windows Me and turning it into a NT version of Windows
[19:41] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> That is what vista is Windows Me on an NT platform
[19:41] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> what were they thinking
[19:41] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> both went in the garbage
[19:42] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> vista is the reason I went to Apple
[19:42] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: you get FF upgraded?
[19:42] <holstein> you might want to try #mac or #windows for those other questions/comments
[19:43] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> is there a way that you can the the File edit View et menus to permanently stay on the sreen when using Firefox
[19:43] <holstein> or one of the ubuntu-offtopic channels.. otherwise... im glad you found us SthrnDixieCwgrl , and welcome!
[19:43] <hobgoblin> hi squaregoldfish
[19:43] <squaregoldfish> Hi
[19:43] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: you right click and have the main menu shown, correct?
[19:45] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I right clicked in firefox and there is no main menu option
[19:45] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: 'menubar'
[19:46] <holstein> ticking the 'menubar' option gives the space at the top of the screen back to the file menus
[19:46] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> there is no mun bar and the option for me to enable that does not exist
[19:46] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: would you like me to take a screenshot?
[19:46] <Unit193> SthrnDixieCwgrl: There should be a "Firefox" thing next to the tabs, click that and go to Preferences > Menu Bar
[19:47] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> Navigation addon Boomarks tabs on top customize
[19:47] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> which one do I choose
[19:48] <hobgoblin> menu bar SthrnDixieCwgrl
[19:48] <hobgoblin> is it not in the list?
[19:48] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> Navigation addon Boomarks tabs on top customize
[19:48] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> those are the choices
[19:48] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> pick one
[19:49] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: please relax and be patient... we are all volunteers here... thanks :)
[19:49]  * holstein is uploading a screenshot
[19:50] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> if i right-click next to the tabs i get a Menu bar option
[19:50] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> in windows 7
[19:50] <holstein> http://imagebin.org/187826 SthrnDixieCwgrl
[19:50] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: i dont know what plugins you have that might break that functionality
[19:51] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> i have all of them options except in menubar
[19:51] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: not sure what to suggest... maybe open up in safe mode or whatever... could be your config
[19:52] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I dont have any plugins since the adobe flash player and Adobe reader files form adobe and the java plugin from java.com will not install
[19:52] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: you get java and flash from the software center
[19:52] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: would you like to share a screenshot?
[19:52] <holstein> would you like to temporarily remove you .mozilla directory?
[19:52] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> of what
[19:52] <holstein> would you like to reinstall?
[19:53] <hobgoblin> SthrnDixieCwgrl: can you do this - close firefox and then start it from a terminal like this         firefox -safe-mode
[19:53] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> screenshot of what
[19:53] <hobgoblin> then see if you get the menu bar as an option
[19:53] <holstein> hobgoblin: i like that... that'll bypass the config right?
[19:53] <hobgoblin> yep
[19:53] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> holstein: SthrnDixieCwgrl: would you like to share a screenshot?
[19:53] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> of what
[19:53] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: ?
[19:54] <holstein> the issue SthrnDixieCwgrl
[19:54] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> what do i need to share a screen shot of
[19:54] <holstein> the problem.. the lack of menu
[19:54] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: whatever you think might help me help you
[19:54] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I have a .apt flash plaer file from adobe
[19:54] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> a bin file for adobe reader
[19:54] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: lets work on one thing at a time please
[19:54] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> and a .bin and .rpm.bin files for java from java.com
[19:54] <holstein> do you want to sort out flash? or the menu? or java?
[19:54] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> dont forget adobe reader
[19:54] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: you open the software center and search 'flash'
[19:55] <holstein> OR, the browser and search 'installing flash in ubuntu 11.10'
[19:55] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I opened software center to find Adobe reader and it did not find it
[19:55] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> that is why I went to adobe.com
[19:56] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: you can also search more generla
[19:56] <holstein> gerneral*
[19:56] <holstein> you can find a pdf reader
[19:56] <hobgoblin> SthrnDixieCwgrl: you were told you needed the partner repo enabled - adobe reader is available - bit it is called acroreader
[19:56] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AcrobatHowTo
[19:56] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: you already have a pdf reader installed anyways
[19:56] <hobgoblin> SthrnDixieCwgrl: have you opened firefox in safe mode now? is the menu option there
[19:57] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> what
[19:57] <hobgoblin> SthrnDixieCwgrl: can you do this - close firefox and then start it from a terminal like this         firefox -safe-mode
[19:57] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I have firefox opened
[19:57] <hobgoblin> have you done that ^^ as asked
[19:57] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: this will bypass your configs
[19:57] <hobgoblin> twice
[19:58] <holstein> open a terminal and type that it, or copy and paste
[19:58] <holstein> firefox -safe-mode
[19:58] <holstein> right click and see if you have the 'menubar' option
[20:00] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> no
[20:00] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I found dom.disable_window_open_feature.menubar
[20:01] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> and dom.disable_window_open_feature.menubar
[20:02] <hobgoblin> that is something completely different
[20:05] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I was in about:config
[20:06] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: and im afraid you have tweaked around in there, or somewhere else, and broken it
[20:06] <holstein> thus, we will be wasting time trying to sort it out
[20:06] <holstein> you can look for .mozilla, and temporarily move it out of the way
[20:07] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> what
[20:07] <holstein> *or* just relax about it for a bit, and 'get your feet wet'
[20:07] <holstein> remember, these are not things you would have been doing your first day using windows
[20:07] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I am stuck with a non-working firefox and chromium which is NOThING like google chrome
[20:07] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> great
[20:07] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: install chrome
[20:07] <holstein> whats not working about FF?
[20:07] <holstein> reinstall it
[20:08] <holstein> remove the config directory
[20:08] <hobgoblin> I wonder if the initial removal of firefox caused this
[20:08] <holstein> yup
[20:08] <holstein> thats where my money is...
[20:08] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: how did you uninstall FF?
[20:09] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I used software center
[20:11] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: you would need to give us *exactly* what you have done so far
[20:11] <holstein> and we would need to undo it
[20:13] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I remvoed FF7.0.1 using software center
[20:13] <holstein> right, and downloaded some things, and read something, copied and pasted who knows what
[20:14] <hobgoblin> SthrnDixieCwgrl: did you do a lot of things in a terminal - or not until you got here?
[20:14] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I never installed FF 8.x until I was told to open terminal and type in sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mozillateam/firefox-stable
[20:14] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: you can boot up the live CD you installed from and see how FF is behaving
[20:14] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> which I did and followed the instructions on the screen
[20:15] <holstein> SthrnDixieCwgrl: i need to run, but i say take it easy, and spend some time in the default included applications... more like how you probably used OSX and windows at first
[20:15] <holstein> ubuntu is quite full featured and customizable, and we can and will help you as much as we can !
[20:15] <holstein> enjoy :)
[20:16] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> i did nothing else to firefox after i installed it until I went to some web site and it told me that i had a missing plugin and it sail I was missing something called IcedTea java whatever that is
[20:17] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> the only Java I know is from Sun (it was Sun now it is now known as Oracle)\
[20:18] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I am now stuck with a browser that is worth garbage and one that is broken
[20:19] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I hate chromium and Mozilla does not work
[20:19] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> now i am going to have to format Ubuntu and reinstall it to fix it
[20:20] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> there is 3 hours right there
[20:20] <hobgoblin> really? takes 20 minutes here
[20:21] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> it took me 3 hours last time
[20:22] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> now the only way I can get firefox to work is to reinstall the entire OS
[20:22] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> if this was Mac OS X or Windows I coulod uninstall and reinstall it
[20:23] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> and it would be fixed
[20:23] <hobgoblin> well perhaps you should do that - linux is not windows - if it doesn't work for you then use what does
[20:23] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> if you want something fixed in Ubuntu uninstall the os and reinstall it to fix it
[20:23] <hobgoblin> only when you break it yourself and can't fix it
[20:23] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I should not have to do that for one application
[20:24] <hobgoblin> such is life - but to be honest I am not at all sure that you actually came here for help - you've spent more time talking about windows and mac
[20:25] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> there is nothing compatible with this operating syustem
[20:25] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> adobe reader is not ompatible
[20:25] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> adobe flash player is not ompatible
[20:25] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> java is  not compatible
[20:25] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> firefox is not compatible
[20:25] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I am stuck with hromium and I don't even know what that is
[20:26] <hobgoblin> if you want help backing up stuff to make the update after an install a bit quicker then I am happy to help you
[20:27] <hobgoblin> but why did it take 3 hours to install it - what hardware are you using?
[20:27] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> think Hewlett-packard
[20:27] <LemonAid> How do you boot with GRUB by not using the menu driven interface, but by using the GRUB command line?  (i can`t reboot my system at the moment)
[20:27] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> that is probably the issue right there
[20:28] <hobgoblin> SthrnDixieCwgrl: was it all working before you did what is normal in windows and got stuff from the internet?
[20:28] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I used wubi.exe to install it
[20:28] <hobgoblin> oh
[20:28] <hobgoblin> right
[20:28] <Unit193> That's the major one
[20:28] <hobgoblin> I can understand what the problem you have is now
[20:28] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> i burned Ubuntu to a disc and used wubi to install
[20:28] <hobgoblin> I wish that people would say at the outset that it's wubi :(
[20:28] <Unit193> LemonAid: You should just be able to hold left shift as it's booting
[20:29] <hobgoblin> LemonAid: what exactly is happening?
[20:29] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> that is the only way I found easiest to install
[20:29] <hobgoblin> k
[20:29] <hobgoblin> SthrnDixieCwgrl: can you do this please - we need some very important info if we are going to be able to help
[20:30] <hobgoblin> open a terminal again and then run this command  - the l is a lower case L
[20:30] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> firefox is broken and I have something in appplications called chromium whatever that is
[20:30] <LemonAid> Unit193, thanx. hobgoblin, nothing, i`m just messing around with the GRUB configuration file :)
[20:30] <hobgoblin> sudo fdisk -l
[20:30] <Unit193> LemonAid: /etc/default/grub right?
[20:31] <hobgoblin> LemonAid: you seen the wiki for grub?
[20:31] <LemonAid> Unit193, /boot/grub/grub.cfg.
[20:32] <LemonAid> hobgoblin, yes i did. Have not read it fully though.
[20:32] <hobgoblin> LemonAid: if you fiddle with that then it gets reverted after any update that updates that file - better to do things with the various scripts
[20:32] <LemonAid> hobgoblin, i saw that it gets reverted
[20:34] <hobgoblin> SthrnDixieCwgrl: what do you want to do - we have no real idea of what you have done to get where you are and hence we are not going to be able to get you back again
[20:34] <LemonAid> What i was actually planing on doing was not let anyone boot into any os without a password, but as it turns out, you can get around that by using the command line interface (not the menu driven one).
[20:35] <hobgoblin> you can stop recovery mode appearing in the menu - but that could be an issue if you need to use it :p
[20:36] <hobgoblin> not even sure if it asks for root password if you enable it either
[20:40] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I no longer have an internet browser
[20:40] <hobgoblin> so does firefox not work at all - or is that you can't get it to do what you want?
[20:41] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> it apparently was crippled in the install and that is why that option was not there
[20:41] <hobgoblin> how?
[20:42] <hobgoblin> what is crippled about it - trying to get a straight answer is not proving very successful here at all
[20:43] <hobgoblin> personally I would reinstall - I'd not use wubi either
[20:43] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> i cannot use a browser with no menu bar
[20:43] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> so I removed it
[20:46] <hobgoblin> instead of finding out how to get it
[20:46] <LemonAid> Ehm.. it has a menu bar. It`s only visible when you roll over it.
[20:47] <hobgoblin> well good luck with whatever you choose to do SthrnDixieCwgrl
[20:49] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I don't use web browsers where the menubar does not stay there permanently
[20:49] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> If I cannot enable a feature to show the menubar then I do not use the browser or application
[20:52] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> That means I have no web browser on ubuntu
[20:53] <LemonAid> In case you don`t know it, this is how all the applications behave in Ubuntu if you use the Unity Interface.
[20:54] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> use what
[20:56] <LemonAid> The Unity interface is the default interface for Ubuntu since 10.04(i think) -> the way Ubuntu looks when you first install it.
[20:58] <SthrnDixieCwgrl> I went to terminal and ran sudo apt-get remove appmenu-gtk3 appmenu-gtk appmenu-qt  to see it that will remove it
[20:58] <LemonAid> (well, not all aplications, but firefox is one of them)


[00:10] <jmarsden> DormantOden: The 32 bit library name for which library? :)
[00:11] <DormantOden> ah, sorry, I managed to find the ia32-libs stuff =D
[00:11] <jmarsden> OK.
[00:11] <DormantOden> seems to work ^-^
[01:36] <artillerytx> So i've been having trouble getting my everydns.net servers to point at my ip and i e-mailed the them and this is what they said - http://paste.ubuntu.com/245025/ - I am not too sure what he means
[01:45] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #408155 in openldap (main) "package slapd 2.4.17-1ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 134" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/408155
[01:48] <artillerytx> how do you change a users root directory
[01:48] <jmarsden> artillerytx: It means (a) If you don't understand that you should not be running your own DNS, you have more learning to do first, and (b) you are not allowing the everydns servers to grab copies of your DNS info from your own DNS server, so they can't update with that info.
[01:48] <artillerytx> jmarsden: oh oka
[01:50] <jmarsden> For changing a user's HOME directory (there is only one root directory!), you could edit the passwd file using sudo /usr/sbin/vipw
[01:51] <artillerytx> jmarsden: i've changed the "home" directory for a user but when i try and ftp in it will not let me add or edit files
[01:52] <jmarsden> artillerytx: Then you need to check the permissions on that directory, and the configuration of your FTP server.
[01:52] <artillerytx> jmarsden: default permissions of a directory is 755 right
[01:53] <qman__> artillerytx, a user must have write permission on his home directory, so it must either belong to him, or it must have more write permission
[01:53] <jmarsden> No such thing as default perms.  0755 is Ok for a hom dir, if slightly loose.  I use 0700, but I'm somewhat paranoid from admin work on real servers with many users... :)  If you ssh in as that user can that user edit files etc in that
[01:54] <jmarsden> And as qman__ says, who owns the dir is as important as the perms themselves.
[01:54] <artillerytx> well i just ssh'd into the server with that user and it said restart required
[01:55] <artillerytx> now its showing abunch of ys
[01:55] <artillerytx> Y's
[01:56] <jmarsden> I don't know what you did, but you broke that user's account.  Maybe set his home dir back to /home/username and see if you can then SSH in as him and work OK?
[01:56] <artillerytx> ok
[02:19] <artillerytx> k got it working and i think i figured out the dns issue
[02:32] <ball> Anyone here use Ubuntu Server with LTSP?
[02:34] <twb> I don't.  You can also try #ltsp if nobody responds here.
[02:34] <twb> !anybody
[02:35] <ball> heh.
[02:35] <ball> It's going to take me a while to formulate the real question.
[03:38] <chrislabeard> hey guys for some reason my server is running slow all of a sudden ...
[03:39] <chrislabeard> I takes an extra second now when i log in ssh and after every command
[03:39] <ball> chrislabeard: any clues in "top"?
[03:39] <chrislabeard> top?
[03:40] <ball> chrislabeard: it's a program that lets you list programs and processes that are running, how much RAM and cpu time they're sucking up.
[03:40] <chrislabeard> oh okay
[03:40] <chrislabeard> oh okay
[03:43] <DiViN3> hello there
[03:43] <DiViN3> i need help
[03:43] <DiViN3> anybody to help me plz
[03:45]  * ball waves
[03:45] <DiViN3> ball:can you help me out plz
[03:45] <nickrud> hoping to find someone to help DiViN3 with his dns problems
[03:45] <ball> I won't know until you ask your question.
[03:46] <ball> I know nothing of DNS, sorry.
[03:46] <DiViN3> :(
[03:46] <ball> (at least, nothing about running one)
[03:46] <DiViN3> anyone can help me with dns problems
[03:46] <chrislabeard> ball: i have something running called find_free.cgi and its taking up 2666192 kB
[03:47] <chrislabeard> of my real memory
[03:47] <nickrud> no, he's got no dns. interfaces is correct, resolvconf is correctly populated yet no resolution takes place. Flannel and I are stumped, we hope someone here can offer more insight
[03:48] <ball> DiViN3: do you get your interface configuration via DHCP?
[03:48] <ball> chrislabeard: That looks promising
[03:48] <nickrud> ah, let me provide a little more info. It's a remote dedicated server, uses static interface with resolvconf
[03:48] <chrislabeard> ball: i figured it out i ran look for free ips
[03:48] <DiViN3> :)
[03:48] <chrislabeard> and i guess never stopped
[03:49] <nickrud> http://pastebin.ca/1516223 is his interfaces file
[03:50] <ball> Is resolvconf something like resolv.conf on a BSD box?
[03:51] <ball> Oh, it's a package.
[03:51] <ball> No idea then, I'm in unfamiliar waters.
[03:53] <nickrud> resolvconf simply reads a couple configuration lines in interfaces and populates resolv.conf . A holdover from debian when there was no unified way for the various dhcp dns or other networking packages to cooperate
[03:53] <ball> nickrud: wierd.
[03:53] <ball> What does his resolv.conf look like?
[03:56] <nickrud> DiViN3, put a copy of your /etc/resolv.conf on a pastebin
[03:57] <nickrud> I ssh'ed into his box, and verified all this stuff.
[03:57] <nickrud> That's why I'm utterly stumped.
[03:57] <DiViN3> http://pastebin.ca/1516288
[03:57] <nickrud> now, that was not there before the reboot
[03:58]  * ball grins
[03:58] <nickrud> DiViN3, what is in interfaces now? put a fresh copy up
[03:58] <ball> I think we have a winner.
[03:58] <nickrud> ball, I swear I put opendns in resolv.conf myself :)
[03:59] <nickrud> that would be a winner, for sure
[03:59] <ball> I take it he's not running BIND
[04:00] <nickrud> he intended to, it was uninstalled
[04:00] <nickrud> installed then uninstalled
[04:00] <ball> That could break things
[04:00] <ball> No convenient way to roll back to how things were before BIND was installed?
[04:00] <nickrud> but, since I know nothing about bind ....
[04:01] <DiViN3> nickrud: wats was the command again for the interface
[04:01] <DiViN3> sorry
[04:01] <nickrud> its cat /etc/network/interfaces
[04:01] <nickrud> that will print it for you
[04:02] <DiViN3> http://pastebin.ca/1516294
[04:02] <nickrud> anyway, I'm in over my head. I hope you get some good help DiViN3
[04:03] <DiViN3> i hope so too
[04:03] <DiViN3> i m like awake for 32 hours straight just to get this fixed
[04:06] <ball> DiViN3: hopefully someone here knows more about Linux network interface configuration than I do.
[04:06] <DiViN3> :)
[04:06] <DiViN3> i seriuosly hope so
[04:08] <ball> DiViN3: not difficult.  I'm (sort of) new to Linux.
[04:09] <DiViN3> alrite
[04:10] <Colypso> i have 3 nic and a different public ip address pointed to each one and now aptitude will not resolve the source list hostnames
[04:11] <DiViN3> Colypso: can you try nslookup google.com
[04:11] <Colypso> brb
[04:13] <samd> hi, i have a old computer with ubuntu server, it is connected wirelessly to the network, but if for some reason, the router goes down, or the connection broken, ubuntu server wont autommaticly reconnect, is there any way the server will auto-reconnect in case the connection is broken?
[04:14] <ball> Best not to use wireless for a server, if you can avoid it.
[04:15] <samd> ball, yeah, i'm working on wiring upstairs where my server is, but i wont be able to connect it throu cable until some 2-3 weeks from now
[04:16] <chrislabeard> is there a way to limit bandwidth of a virtual server
[04:16] <chrislabeard> ?
[04:27] <chrislabeard> any of yall know how to set up wonder shaper
[04:42] <samd> exit
[04:53] <att0> I installed Ubuntu server 9.04 and I went ahead and installed ubuntu-desktop so I could have a GUI. Now I want to remove ubuntu-desktop, but when I try, it says it will only free 52kb. How can I fully uninstall ubuntu-desktop and its dependencies??
[05:01] <nick125> att0: I _think_ sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop then sudo apt-get autoremove will do what you want.
[05:01] <twb> att0: you do not want to remove ALL ubuntu-desktop's dependencies
[05:01] <twb> att0: for example, it probably depends on the kernel
[05:01] <att0> it responds with ""0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded."
[05:02] <twb> I think you want to remove any packages that are 1) installed; 2) depended on by ubuntu-dekstop; and 3) not depended on by any other installed package.
[05:02] <chrislabeard> i can't figure out why my server is running slow
[05:02] <chrislabeard> i can see everything running the only thing that is running high on memory is mysql
[05:02] <att0> twb: exactly, basically I just want to get back to the default server install
[05:03] <twb> att0: good luck with that
[05:03] <twb> You can open up aptitude and limit to installed, unmarkauto'd packages with l ~i!~M.
[05:03] <twb> Then look through and manually remove things that you don't need, probably mostly from the gnome and x11 sections
[05:03] <nick125> chrislabeard: lots of I/O wait? *shrugs*
[05:04] <twb> nick125's solution will work well if you installed ubuntu-desktop with a markauto-capable apt wrapper, which may or may not have happened.
[05:04] <chrislabeard> nick125: i just installed squid but i don't think thats it ...
[05:04] <nick125> chrislabeard: what does top say?
[05:05] <twb> chrislabeard: check your CPU, memory and I/O loads.
[05:05] <att0> I installed it using sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[05:05] <chrislabeard> twb: i just rebooted the server uno momento
[05:06] <chrislabeard> okay its running alot better now
[05:07] <nick125> yeah, sometimes a good kick of the reset switch is easier than finding out the actual cause.
[05:07] <chrislabeard> yeah :-)
[05:07] <chrislabeard> do you think squid is a good way to limit bandwidth
[05:08] <nick125> chrislabeard: Squid is more for caching rather than rate-limiting.
[05:08] <chrislabeard> nick125: oh okay
[05:08] <chrislabeard> does apache have a limit by default or is just full open
[05:09] <nick125> Are you trying to limit clients on a LAN or your httpd?
[05:09] <chrislabeard> httpd
[05:10] <nick125> Ah. You might want to see if Apache has a module for rate-limiting. I know lighttpd does. I used that when my server got slashdotted once.
[05:11] <chrislabeard> ah okay
[05:13] <chrislabeard> i really wanted to see if there was a limit already to give more bandwidth
[05:13] <chrislabeard> i was kinda going to it backwards
[05:13] <nick125> There shouldn't be any kind of bandwidth limiting in Apache built-in.
[05:14] <nick125> If you aren't using all of the super fancy features of Apache, you might want to consider switching to lighttpd.
[05:14] <chrislabeard> well im running several virtual servers
[05:14] <nick125> virtual hosts?
[05:15] <nick125> I like Lighttpd's mod_simple_vhost. I just create /var/www/blah.foo.com/public_html and it will serve blah.foo.com files from that directory. So simple.
[05:16] <nick125> Lighttpd is much better for FastCGI-based applications (RoR, Django, etc) and static files than Apache. It does pretty well at PHP apps as well.
[05:17] <chrislabeard> ahh yeah
[05:17] <chrislabeard> im going to be all drupal installs
[05:19] <nick125> Also, I'd suggest using a cache like xcache or APC.  I'm now removing ubuntu-desktop using "sudo apt-get --purge remove liborbit2"
[05:21] <nick125> chrislabeard: xcache/APC is a byte-code cache for PHP.
[05:23] <nick125> In my opinion, I think Squid is a bit....bloated for a front-end reverse cache/load distributor. If that's what you really want, I'd suggest something like Varnish
[05:24] <twb> att0: this is why people learn how to use aptitude instead of pissing about with apt-get.
[05:25] <nick125> Then again, I haven't used Varnish with Drupal, so I'm not sure what kind of tweaks you would have to do to Drupal to have it set the proper headers and whatnot for Varnish.
[05:25] <chrislabeard> k just installed it
[05:25] <lukehasnoname> I was under the impression aptitude and apt-get did the same thing the same way with a different look
[05:26] <nick125> chrislabeard: How much traffic are you getting?
[05:26] <chrislabeard> nick125: i can't actually check that yet but its going to be medium
[05:26] <chrislabeard> just hosting some small sites
[05:26] <nick125> chrislabeard: 50req/s? 500req/s?<PHONE_NUMBER>req/s?
[05:27] <chrislabeard> 50
[05:27] <nick125> I'd stick with a byte-code cache like xcache and forget varnish and squid.
[05:29] <chrislabeard> why did someone just try and send me a file
[05:29] <chrislabeard> weird
[05:29] <chrislabeard> nick125: what do you think of my server response time http://longhornpcrepair.com
[05:30] <nick125> chrislabeard: Seems pretty decent.
[05:31] <chrislabeard> nick125: great i just hope it doesn't get bogged down
[05:32] <nick125> chrislabeard: I just did 5 concurrent connections and 10 requests with ab (apachebench) and it averaged out to 80ms per request (spread out over the concurrent connections).
[05:33] <chrislabeard> so thats not good
[05:33] <chrislabeard> yikes
[05:33] <nick125> Part of that is network latency, mind you.
[05:33] <chrislabeard> yea
[05:33] <nick125> I'm 60ms away from the last pingable hop.
[05:34] <chrislabeard> yeah
[05:34] <nick125> Run ab localhost (it's in apache2-utils)
[05:34] <nick125> ab -c 5 -n 10 http://<your-site>/
[05:35] <chrislabeard> im on the same network as the server
[05:36] <nick125> Well, then you can discount network latency and find out how long the webserver is taking to fulfill the request
[05:37] <chrislabeard> yeah i got .011
[05:37] <nick125> What was the time-per-request? (across concurrent requests)
[05:37] <chrislabeard> wait time per request - 5.731
[05:37] <chrislabeard> sorry
[05:38] <chrislabeard> 1.146 mean, across all concurrent
[05:38] <nick125> That's pretty good.
[05:38] <chrislabeard> so we should be able to handle at least 5 people at the same time
[05:39] <nick125> haha
[05:39] <nick125> you can increase the concurrent level
[05:39] <nick125> ab -c 50 -n 500 http://<yourhost>/
[05:40] <chrislabeard> let me try that
[05:40] <chrislabeard> TPR: 26.926 //// TPR: 0.539 concurrent
[05:41] <nick125> On my crappy little Celery server with 500 concurrent connections and a static page, I got TPR:3.7ms concurrent and 269req/s
[05:42] <chrislabeard> thats good then
[05:42] <nick125> How many req/s on yours?
[05:42] <chrislabeard> per second
[05:43] <chrislabeard> 1856.91req/s
[05:43] <nick125> (note that on my server, my DSL line would literally catch fire before I'd get 269req/s of traffic)
[05:43] <chrislabeard> yea
[05:44] <chrislabeard> is that not too shabby ?
[05:44] <nick125> 1856req/s is pretty good. Is that for a PHP dynamic page or static?
[05:44] <chrislabeard> php dynamic page
[05:44] <chrislabeard> wait
[05:44] <chrislabeard> actually that was a static
[05:45] <chrislabeard> for the drupal site its 1904.48req/s
[05:45] <chrislabeard> and .525/ms on concurrent
[05:46] <nick125> I wouldn't worry about performance on your system.  Your network drop is likely not gigabit.
[05:51] <chrislabeard> yeah
[05:52] <nick125> When I was in the hosting business, just to GET a gigabit drop to our rack would've costed around $300/month. Not including bandwidth.
[05:54] <chrislabeard> yiiikes
[05:54] <chrislabeard> were using uverse
[05:59] <nick125> Needless to say, we decided that our 100mbit line sufficed quite well.
[06:02] <chrislabeard> i bet it would ... is getting into hosting biz worth it ?
[06:02] <nick125> Nope.
[06:03] <lukehasnoname> Rackspace is doing alright
[06:04] <nick125> It's such a cut-throat market, there is no way to really compete with ABC Host that offers 500GB of disk and 50TB of bandwidth for $3.95.
[06:04] <chrislabeard> whaaaa
[06:05] <chrislabeard> well for our clients we are offering them a solution we design their site and maintain it for a monthly fee
[06:05] <nick125> I looked up a lot of different plans at different providers. For instance, at the time, Dreamhost had a plan for $7.95. If a member actually used all of the resources they provided, it would cost around ~$200.
[06:06] <chrislabeard> yeah... dreamhost is sloowww unfortunately
[06:06] <Colypso> anyone know how to set ubuntu to use more than 1 public ip
[06:06] <nick125> Colypso: IP or interface aliases
[06:06] <Colypso> ip
[06:07] <Colypso> i want to use one ip for ssl
[06:07] <nick125> Well, you can have multiple IPs on the same interface with an IP alias (ip addr add w.x.y.z/nm) or an interface alias (ethN, ethN:0, etc)
[06:07] <nick125> chrislabeard: because they overload their servers beyond belief.
[06:08] <chrislabeard> nick125: yeah
[06:08] <nick125> chrislabeard: I know a friend who had an account there, and they had a 500 load average.
[06:08] <Colypso> i have tried that
[06:08] <chrislabeard> jeeze
[06:08] <Colypso> it will accept 1 public ip but when i point the second to it it stops resolving hostnames
[06:08] <nick125> Note that the load average should not exceed the number of CPUs in the system. If you have 2 CPUs, it shouldn't really exceed 2.00. If you have 4 CPUs, 4.00.
[06:09] <nick125> Colypso: How are you adding the second IP to the interface?
[06:09] <Colypso> nat on the gateway
[06:10] <chrislabeard> nick125: yeah i only have 2 cpus
[06:10] <nick125> Colypso: Do you HAVE to do NAT?
[06:10] <Colypso> I cant use the public ips any other way
[06:11] <nick125> Okay. Here's what you probably need to do: add a new IP alias on your Ubuntu server. Then NAT that new aliased private IP.
[06:12] <Colypso> ok but shouldnt that work with 2 nics
[06:12] <nick125> What do you mean?
[06:12] <Colypso> i have 2 gigabit network interface cards
[06:13] <nick125> You can add both IPs on the same interface without issues.
[06:13] <Colypso> and 5 ip addreses
[06:13] <Colypso> i will try to alias again
[06:13] <nick125> How are you trying to alias on your Ubuntu box?
[06:14] <Colypso> eth1, eth1:1 and so on
[06:14] <nick125> Okay. If that doesn't work, try adding an IP alias
[06:14] <nick125> ip addr add <IP>/<netmask> <interface>
[06:14] <nick125> I believe
[06:15] <nick125> ip addr add <IP>/<netmask> dev <interface>
[06:15] <nick125> If that ends up working for you, then you can add it with a post-up in your /etc/network/interfaces
[06:15] <Colypso> ok
[06:21] <chrislabeard> nick125: do you know of any good bandwidth monitors ?
[06:21] <nick125> How do you need to break the bandwidth usage down?
[06:21] <chrislabeard> I have no preference
[06:22] <nick125> Well, do you need it based on IP, interface, etc?
[06:22] <chrislabeard> IP probly
[06:24] <nick125> chrislabeard: I would look into using iptables. That's what I used.
[06:25] <chrislabeard> yeah webmin has some bandwidth monitor but i can't get it to work using iptables
[06:25] <nick125> http://www.linux.com/archive/articles/50649
[06:26] <nick125> I've never had webmin actually work properly.
[06:26] <chrislabeard> yeah no one likes it
[06:26] <chrislabeard> i just like being able to edit my conf files than actually visually see it show up on webmin
[06:26] <chrislabeard> cause i know webmin doesn't write the conf files correctly
[06:27] <nick125> Or it does what you want in the entirely wrong way.
[06:27] <chrislabeard> yeah
[06:27] <Colypso> no luck
[06:28] <chrislabeard> but its a pretty good user management tool
[06:29] <nick125> Colypso: What happened when you added the alias?
[06:29] <Colypso> nothing
[06:29] <Colypso> i can ping the first public ip but the second one i pushed to the alias times out
[06:30] <nick125> Colypso: and the netmask was correct?
[06:30] <Colypso> same as the first was
[06:31] <Colypso> interal ips all work fine
[06:31] <nick125> So, you assigned a private IP alias to the Ubuntu box and then NATed the second public IP to it?
[06:32] <Colypso> yes
[06:32] <nick125> and you could ping the alias just fine?
[06:32] <Colypso> i can ping eth1 public and private ips
[06:33] <Colypso> but
[06:33] <Colypso> eth1:1 i can only ping private ip
[06:33] <nick125> Are you doing 1:1 NAT on eth1:1?
[06:33] <Colypso> yes
[06:34] <nick125> I wonder if that's part of the problem. What kind of router is doing the NAT?
[06:34] <Colypso> sdmc business gateway/router
[06:35] <Colypso> smc
[06:35] <Colypso> sorry
[06:35] <Colypso> it works with window
[06:35] <Colypso> windows
[06:35] <Colypso> but windows is not what i need
[06:35] <nick125> with IP aliasing?
[06:36] <Colypso> no i can point the public ips to each nic
[06:36] <nick125> Okay. Well, we can try two NICs, just for the heck of it.
[06:36] <Colypso> i have tried already for 2 days
[06:37] <nick125> What happens when you assign the IPs to both NICs?
[06:37] <Colypso> it wont resolv hostnames
[06:37] <nick125> Can you ping out to an IP? (i.e., <IP_ADDRESS>)
[06:38] <Colypso> cant remember
[06:38] <chrislabeard> nick125: im heading out thanks for your help
[06:38] <nick125> chrislabeard: Have a good one.
[06:38] <chrislabeard> nick125: you too
[06:38] <nick125> Colypso: Both IPs are in the same subnet?
[06:39] <Colypso> yes
[06:39] <nick125> That might be part of the problem.
[06:40] <Colypso> the internal ips are on the same subnet
[06:41] <nick125> And were you setting default gws on both interfaces?
[06:41] <nick125> (gateways)
[06:41] <Colypso> yes
[06:42] <nick125> try setting it on just one interface
[06:42] <Colypso> k
[06:43] <Colypso> that worked
[06:43] <Colypso> i can ping both now
[06:43] <nick125> Can you ping that machine from another machine in the local network?
[06:44] <nick125> (with a local IP)
[06:44] <Colypso> havent tried local
[06:44] <Colypso> yes
[06:44] <Colypso> both local and public
[06:45] <Colypso> thank you
[06:45] <Colypso> you are a genius
[06:45] <nick125> Great. Glad we could get it working.
[06:45] <Colypso> been trying to get this working for 2 days lol
[06:46] <Colypso> decided to give you guys a try
[06:46] <Colypso> thanks
[06:46] <nick125> no problem.
[07:02] <nick125> Dang, the Ubuntu asterisk package has a lot of deps.
[07:04] <nick125> I guess it could be worse - it could be two major releases behind like some other distro that will not be named.
[07:30] <oh_noes> is there any filesystem that can handle a vmware hard disk size increase without needing a reboot?
[07:30] <oh_noes> or, 'will see the new size on the next reboot, and resize (up) accordingly'
[07:41] <chrislabeard> how do you move a directory
[07:41] <chrislabeard> movedir
[07:42] <simplexio> chrislabeard: mv dir dir
[07:42] <chrislabeard> mmk thanks
[07:43] <chrislabeard> how can i move just the content
[07:43] <chrislabeard> from that directory
[07:43] <simplexio> oh_noes: far as i can remember ext3 should work
[07:44] <simplexio> chrislabeard: cd to some dir; mv * ../another dir
[07:44] <simplexio> chrislabeard: or mv dir/* anotherdir/
[07:44] <simplexio> chrislabeard: man mv / cp / rm
[07:44] <chrislabeard> mv apples/* pineapple/
[07:44] <chrislabeard> does that look about right
[07:44] <simplexio> if pineabble is ther allready. it works
[07:44] <chrislabeard> k
[07:45] <chrislabeard> yeah im moving apples content into pineapple
[07:45] <simplexio> mkdir if there is no pineabble dir
[08:08] <chrislabeard> how do i copy a directory from one directory to the parent directory
[08:08] <chrislabeard> i was trying cp -R apples/oranges /apples
[08:08] <chrislabeard> is that correct
[08:21] <chrislabeard> why can't i delete files in one of my users home directory
[08:24] <chrislabeard> im logged in as the user and its his home directory
[08:27] <simplexio> chrislabeard: ls -la shows long file list
[08:27] <chrislabeard> yes it does
[08:27] <simplexio> chrislabeard: you see permission  there and owner, usually reason to that is that you dont have right permission
[08:28] <simplexio> chrislabeard: so chmod u+w file
[08:28] <chrislabeard> that will assign this whole directory to that user
[08:29] <chrislabeard> i thought if its the users home directory they have permissions all over it
[08:29] <simplexio> chrislabeard: chmod u+w file, gives write permission to file owner
[08:30] <simplexio> chrislabeard: and sometimes is good idea to remove w permission files that you own
[08:30] <chrislabeard> yeah
[08:30] <chrislabeard> that didn't work
[08:30] <chrislabeard> its still all root
[08:30] <simplexio> like no "I accidentally whole directory" / " all files "
[08:31] <simplexio> chrislabeard: chown user:group if you want to change owner to something else
[08:32] <chrislabeard> so how do i make all the files in that directory owned by the owner
[08:33] <simplexio> chrislabeard: if you dont want to give new owner from cmd line you need to write little script.. else chown user:group * -R
[08:40] <chrislabeard> simplexio: if i use "chown joe:joe -R ~joe"
[08:40] <chrislabeard> what if my user doesn't have a group
[08:44] <chrislabeard> oh by default the group is user
[08:45] <twb> Then you'd use that group instead.
[08:49] <simplexio> chrislabeard: something like that
[08:50] <simplexio> chrislabeard: by default there is group with username, if you want others to be able access files then best way is change droup owner to other and give r permission to file
[09:18] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #408258 in lsb (main) "lsb_release crashed with ImportError in <module>() (dup-of: 383697)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/408258
[09:20] <cjwatson> andol: hoping to deal with it by way of packaging 5.2p1, but haven't quite had time to do the version control wrangling yet
[09:20] <cjwatson> andol: I've set a karmic target on that bug so that I don't forget
[09:22] <andol> cjwatson: Great, thanks.
[10:39] <benno_fra_dk> Trying to connegt bluetooth gps on ubuntu server(hardy) console. Every attempt to communicate with the device returns "invalid exchange".
[11:10] <solorvox> hey all, is there a way to install desktop alternative CD as a server edition?  I'm on a restricted (3GB/mo) ISP and would like to setup a server without downloading another 800MB. :)
[12:05] <Bilge> Oh shit
[12:06] <Bilge> I just did a deluser for a system account that I added which was in nogroup
[12:06] <Bilge> I wanted to rename it later so I removed the user and was going to readd it
[12:06] <Bilge> But when I removed it this happened
[12:06] <Bilge> Warning: Removing group `nogroup', since no other user is part of it.
[12:06] <Bilge> So now I lost my nogroup group
[12:11] <andol> Bilge: Are you sure that it is actually deleted?
[12:12] <Bilge> Actually no it isn't
[12:12] <Bilge> I don't know why
[12:12] <Bilge> I also just realised I could have just renamed the user with usermod
[12:29] <Bilge> Is it OK to add admins to the group 'adm'?
[12:29] <Bilge> Is that what's it's intended for?
[12:30] <simplexio> cant remember
[12:30] <simplexio> admin group is for sudoers in ubuntu
[12:30] <Bilge> I'd like to see a list of descriptions for the purpose of built in groups
[12:31] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #408333 in mysql-dfsg-5.1 (universe) "MIR for mysql 5.1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/408333
[12:31] <simplexio> adm is some relic from debian packaging
[12:32] <Bilge> Quite a few files are in the adm group
[12:32] <Bilge> Particularly in /etc and /var/log
[12:32] <simplexio> offcourse i can be wrong.. all my sudo users are in adm and admin groups. but i looked /etc/sudoers
[12:34] <jpds> Bilge:  I thought that group was to stop system process from running as root by letting them run as adm?
[12:35] <jpds> Oh well.
[12:39] <Bilge> I don't know
[12:39] <Bilge> That's why I'm asking
[13:39] <heath|work> There seems to be a problem with cups and App Armor
[17:20] <nick125> Good morning Ubuntuers.
[17:23] <giovani|home> afternoon, nick125 :)
[17:28] <nick125> giovani|home: Don't rub it in that I'm up late :P
[17:35] <sgsax> I'm having some major problems with AD auth, anybody help me out?
[18:29] <nick125> What would you guys recommend for doing backups?
[18:30] <nick125> Preferably something multi-server (so I can backup all of my VMs on my server)
[18:33] <qman__> I usually put something together in a bash script, making tarballs
[18:33] <qman__> it's not really all that special and probably not the most efficientb
[18:34] <qman__> but it works
[18:34] <KillMeNow> i remember someone suggesting a open source web based archival tool, but can't remember what it's called
[18:34] <KillMeNow> i usually just tarball and scp it to another server for storage
[18:35] <nick125> I really would like to do something automated that will backup my /home, few directories in /var (www comes to mind), my MySQL DBs, etc.
[18:38] <jmarsden|work> nick125: Too broad a question... rsnapshot would probably work for you... there are *many* backup packages you could use.
[18:38] <Sam-I-Am> bacula isnt too bad... neither is rdiff... depends on what you need.
[18:43] <jtimberman> nick125: i've used dirvish a bit, it seems decent.
[18:44] <nick125> Hmm....it looks like there _ARE_ more backup solutions than there are Linux users.
[18:45] <jmedina> nick125: I recommend bacula
[18:46] <jmedina> and webbacula for reporting and backup jornall
[18:46] <jmedina> http://webacula.sourceforge.net/
[18:46] <nick125> I guess if I'm going to spend the time setting up Bacula, I might as well backup the desktops as well.
[18:47] <jmedina> nick125: just read official documentation
[18:47] <jmedina> and start from the basics, dont try to backup 500 desktops at a time :)
[18:49] <nick125> Well, I only have one other Ubuntu desktop....and the other desktop is getting switched over next week, so it's not like I have that many desktops :)
[18:49] <KillMeNow> yea that was the backup tool i was talking about
[18:49] <jmedina> ok
[18:51] <nick125> On my old setup, I used AMANDA...but that setup kind of bitrotted away.
[21:00] <sgsax> nick125: sorry for the late response, but we use rdiff-backup
[21:00] <sgsax> it's functional, but not terribly user-friendly, nor does it recover from internal errors well
[21:21] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #408562 in ec2-ami-tools (multiverse) "Updgrade ec2-ami-tools to 1.3-34544" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/408562
[21:38] <lukehasnoname> Has anyone read the "Official Ubuntu Server Book" or the "Ubuntu Server 9.04 Reference"?
[21:57] <lukehasnoname> I read through some of the "Official" book yesterday
[21:58] <lukehasnoname> a little confusing at times, but not bad. I think some more section titling and organization would be in order, but the step by step instructions seemed to be accurate
[22:25] <lukehasnoname> I also noticed that the link to ESR's question guide is gone.
[22:25] <lukehasnoname> oh wait
[22:25] <lukehasnoname> not


[15:28] <JohnRL> anyone able to use bzr to checkout from launchpad?  haven't been able to for a full day, can't figure out why not.
[15:51] <fullermd_> I can talk to it via my existing checkouts OK...
[15:52] <fullermd_> Oh, you're gone.  Nevermind.


[02:34] <suba> Has anyone tried to get compiz working on ltsp and gotten the error "No whitelisted driver found"?   I'm using the Intel driver, which is whitelisted in /usr/bin/compiz.
[07:44] <alvin```> help
[07:46] <alvin```> What is good authentication with timer for ubuntu?
[14:29] <ampex> just setup ubuntu 8.04 from the alternate installer and added the edubuntu content via the extra cd
[14:29] <ampex> I have a pc attached to the second nic of this edubuntu box and it's booting via PXE, but I can't seem to get a resolution that my LCD likes
[14:29] <ampex> I've tried multiple PCs and two different LCDs with different native resolutions
[14:30] <ampex> I've also tried editing the /etc/ltsp.conf in the chroot for the thin client image and added an X_MODE_0 = "1440x900"
[14:30] <ampex> still doesn't seem to work properly
[14:30] <ampex> if I add a user to the thin client image and login via ctrl+alt+f1 I can then run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and get ldm to start up with an 800x600 resolution, but it seems that there is no way to change that after the fact
[14:31] <ampex> I don't fully understand xrandr or how ubuntu 8.04 handles desktop resolutions, so I'm a bit stumped
[14:31] <ampex> any ideas?
[14:34] <ogra> wrong place :) lts.conf needs to sit under /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/
[14:38] <ampex> ok, let met go try that
[14:38] <ampex> s/met/me/
[14:40] <ampex> ogra: do I need a [default] at the top of the .conf ? the X_MODE_0 is my only line right now
[14:40] <ogra> yes, you need default
[14:41] <ampex> so the documentation is wrong?
[14:41] <ogra> ?
[15:35] <ampex> http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edubuntu/handbook/C/customizing-thin-client.html
[15:35] <ampex> So, LTSP.org devised a way of specifying the configuration of each thin client. The configuration file is called lts.conf and it lives in the  /opt/ltsp/i386/etc  directory.
[15:35] <ampex> nvm, it is explained later in the document
[15:40] <cberl1> Hi folks.  Can anyone help me decipher what's going on with my edubuntu server?  It's 6.06 based, and it's been running about two years now.  I have one subnet running from it without a hitch (let's call it 10.1.x.x) and I'm trying to get another connected from 10.2.x.x.  I have my switches configured to point back to the server (which uses Windows to get it's DHCP, but the TFTP file settings are correct to point back to the LTSP server).  Instead of logg
[15:42] <cberl1> I think it might help our network guy here if anyone can decipher what the "My IP Address seems to be...ip=x.x.x.x:x.x.x.x" stuff means.
[16:45] <fsgaston> Does anybody know why the Thin Client manager crashes in 8.04 64 bit, is their something Iḿ missing?
[16:50] <stgraber> fsgaston: tcm is no longer used in 8.04
[16:51] <stgraber> not sure why it breaks, but nobody tested it afaik
[18:10] <fsgaston> stgraber, do you have a replacement option, just curious
[18:35] <stgraber> fsgaston: italc
[18:35] <stgraber> it's the new default classroom management software in Edubuntu
[18:47] <ampex> is it possible to access the classroom server from an attached PC without booting the image?
[18:47] <ampex> from windows or linux?
[18:47] <ampex> like a remote desktop connection of some sort?
[18:47] <NiceNerd> hi all
[18:48] <stgraber> ampex: you probably can use VNC for that, gnome has an integrated VNC server
[18:49] <stgraber> ampex: but you'll need to keep a user session opened
[18:49] <ampex> fair enough, thanks
[18:50] <ampex> is it possible to keep user sessions open, but then log on as someone else from a thin client?
[18:50] <ampex> can users jump between thin clients and keep their work/programs open?
[18:51] <fsgaston> In LTSP - students can access their USB drive, but they see all of the USB drives mounted, how do I fix this so they only see theirs?
[18:52] <ogra> fsgaston, i posted an answer to that in #ltsp to you half an hour ago
[18:54] <fsgaston> ogra, my apologizes, I should have seen that, child distractions.   Thanks again, will look into it.
[18:55] <NiceNerd> I am looking at putting edubuntu in our schools but wanted to know how much of a hassle to get a novell client to work
[18:55] <NiceNerd> anyone try this?
[18:55] <NiceNerd> I have been reading that it is a little tricky to get it to work
 --If the novell client is very important, I would go with SLED 10 SP1 or Opensuse 10.2
[18:59] <NiceNerd> yeah I was hoping you wouldnt say that
[19:00] <NiceNerd> :D
 I work with 150 schools in Indiana, many Novell, so I have tried hacking the client a few times.
[19:00] <NiceNerd> no luck with it?
 You don´t have to buy SLED, you can download it do 30 days of update and download again if you need it.
[19:00] <fsgaston> <Nice Nerd> With which version?
[19:01] <NiceNerd> oh that wasnt with Ubuntu
[19:01] <NiceNerd> you said you tried hacking it I figured it was for Ubuntu
[19:01] <fsgaston> <Nice Nerd> The Novell client with SP1 is broken, download the latest version or wait for SP2, which will be out soon.
[19:02] <fsgaston> <I tried hacking with Opensuse 10.3
[19:02] <NiceNerd> oh ok
[19:02] <fsgaston> <Novell keeps their products as reasonable closed as possible
[19:03] <NiceNerd> Well it might be a good excuse to get rid of this Novell 5 server then
[19:03] <NiceNerd> thanks for the info
 A lot of schools are migrating to Novell Open Enterprise or SLES?
[19:03] <NiceNerd> really
[19:04] <NiceNerd> might be something to look  into
[19:04] <ogra> really ?
[19:04] <ogra> where is that documented ?
[19:04]  * ogra only sees people migrating to debian based o ubuntu setups everywhere
[19:04] <ogra> s/o/or/
[19:04] <fsgaston> This is in reference to schools using Netware currently and wanting to stick with Novell
[19:04] <ogra> ah
[19:05] <ogra> o thoght toward SLES from something
[19:05] <NiceNerd>  so does the open source work with Ubuntu then
[19:05] <fsgaston> No  no, I try to promote as open as possible, but with 30,000 plus linux desktops in the state you have to be flexible.
[19:05] <ogra> "the open source" ?
[19:06] <NiceNerd> Novell
[19:06] <fsgaston> None commercial versions.
[19:06] <ogra> ah, no idea
[19:06] <NiceNerd> hmmm
[19:06] <ogra> i only have ubuntu around
 does the Novell Client work on Ubuntu, I don´t think so from what I hear
[19:08] <ogra> is that only for accessing files or for login
[19:08] <ogra> you can easily mount ncpfs volumes afaik
 for access files and Novell Maped drives from their Netware LDAP context.
[19:09] <NiceNerd> hmmm I havent created login scripts for Ubuntu or any linux distro
[19:09] <NiceNerd> is that possible
[19:09] <fsgaston> Most schools I work with authenticate against AD
[19:09] <NiceNerd> Yeah
[19:09] <NiceNerd> I consult for 2 schools
[19:10] <NiceNerd> one is AD the other Linux
[19:10] <NiceNerd> I mean Novell
[19:10] <NiceNerd> :D
 I would recommend LIkewise for Ubuntu
[19:10] <NiceNerd> Yeah I was just reading about that
[19:10] <fsgaston> Novell does make the AD very easy with Opensuse and SLED
[19:10] <NiceNerd> Well of course they do
[19:11] <NiceNerd> its big bad MS
[19:11] <fsgaston> I agree, but you can´t change things overnight.
[19:12] <NiceNerd> Well I agree
[19:13] <ogra> well, bets is to set it up free from the beginning
[19:14] <ogra> if you look at spain i.e. guadalinex maintains 500 000 desktops in andalucia on an ubuntu derived distro
[19:14] <fsgaston> Tough battle, when some schools depend 100% on a vendor, what the vendor says goes!
[19:14] <ogra> extremadura just added a 150000 user ltsp setup
[19:15] <ogra> the canary islands build their own ubuntu derived distro managing 200000 installs
[19:15] <ogra> all centrally magaged
[19:15] <ogra> (school stups indeed)
[19:15] <ogra> *setups
 Do they use the Ubuntu managment product on the commercial side?
[19:16] <ogra> no, ldap and friends
 That is awesom, how many servers, do you know?
[19:17] <ogra> no special tools or anything they have some huge ldap clusters
 Do you run LTSP at your location?
[19:18] <ogra> when we were shown the setup a year ago it were 160 server (andalucia) but back then they only had 360000 desktops
[19:18] <ogra> fsgaston, i wrote most of it and yes i run it at my house but have no bigger setup myself :)
[19:19] <stgraber> ogra: btw, if you happen to know some networks deploying Ubuntu 8.04 with italc, can you point them to : http://italc.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?title=Success_stories
[19:19] <stgraber> Toby would like some stats, currently it's almost 100% Windows users ...
[19:19] <ogra> i've put it in my bookmarks :)
  The crazy thing is many schools in Indiana use ITALC, but Iḿ trying to encourage them to donate.
 Do you have a good way to manage printers in LTSP, ie printer by hostname etc
[19:21]  * LaserJock is intrigued and somewhat disturbed to find that he can "read" his data when written as a binary file
[19:22] <ogra> LaserJock, what data ? chem stuff ?
[19:22] <LaserJock> yeah
[19:22] <LaserJock> I just switched from writting my data out as ASCII to binary
[19:22] <LaserJock> and so I thought I'd less it to see what it looks like
[19:23] <ogra> fsgaston, sadly not yet, i was planning to have something that sets the default to automatically point to the client if a printer is detected but never came around to write it
 Okay, do you do any consulting?  If so how much?
[19:23] <ogra> currently you need to use the printer manager and add every printer once
[19:24] <stgraber> ogra: Millexterm has the cups-printer-filter which hooks the libc to show a different list of printers depending on some filters
[19:24] <ogra> no, i work for canonical which hogs about 14h a day on six days of the week
[19:24] <stgraber> but not working with Hardy for some weird reason
[19:25] <ogra> so there is not really time left to do consuling :)
 okay
 Thanks for the tip, will take a look.
[19:26] <juliux> ogra, good luck on the grill;)
[19:26] <stgraber> you'd have to fix it and adapt for your environment, but the idea is there and code is clean enough to easily understand it
[19:26] <ogra> juliux, at linuxtag you mean ?
[19:26] <juliux> ogra, yes
[19:26] <juliux> ogra, i am reading the offical program atm
[19:26] <ogra> we'll probably do it in german this time
[19:27] <ogra> ah
[19:27] <ogra> depending how any german speaking devs we get together, last year it was a slight english speaker overhead
[19:27] <juliux> ogra, only you and torsten? ;)
[19:27] <ogra> s/any/many/
[19:27] <stgraber> fsgaston: https://svn.revolutionlinux.com/MILLE/XTERM/branches/ltsp-cluster/cups-client-filter/
[19:28] <ogra> juliux, only me
[19:28] <juliux> ogra, cool
[19:28] <ogra> torsten doesnt come
[19:28] <juliux> ogra, i will grill you;9
[19:28] <ogra> haha
[19:28] <ogra> well, that ony means i'm leading, like last year we'll collect all available dev on stage :)
[19:29] <ogra> *devs
[19:29] <juliux> torsten said the whole distro team will be in berlin;)
[19:29] <ogra> liar :)
[19:29] <ogra> it wont
[19:29] <juliux> ohh he only said the distro team will be there;9
[19:29] <juliux> he didn't said the whole,)
[19:29] <ogra> heh
[19:31] <ogra> i think asac, dholbach, MacSlow, doko and me come from the distro team
[19:31] <juliux> and pitti?
[19:31] <ogra> likely jono as well
[19:31] <ogra> oh and pitti
[19:31] <juliux> mcslow is cool, i met him at cebit
[19:31] <ogra> not sure about mvo
[19:33] <stgraber> ogra: italc's 1.0.9 candidate built successfully with Intrepid on i386 but not amd64 ... one more amd64 specific bug it seems (usual with iTalc :))
[19:33] <ogra> stgraber, release is far out, no hurry :)
[19:34] <stgraber> checking for DSA_new in -leay32... no
[19:34] <stgraber> configure: error: *** you do not have installed the OpenSSL-library and/or development-files are missing!
[19:34] <stgraber> make: *** [config.status] Error 1
[19:34] <ogra> stgraber, built in ppa or pbuilder ?
[19:34] <ogra> meh
[19:34] <stgraber> pbuilder
[19:34] <ogra> yeah, openssl isnt merged i think thats even on my merge list
[19:35] <stgraber> built fine on i386 though, weird ...
[19:35] <ogra> (which doesnt mean i'll do it now, i had a long day and will stop soon :) )
[19:35] <stgraber> bah, that was just to test gcc/configure on Intrepid, I'll start building real packages once the auto-syncs stuff have finished
[19:36] <ogra> yeah, the archive being happered like never during the last days slowed all tools down
[19:36] <ogra> mom is days behind
[19:39] <stgraber> stgraber@castiana:~/data/dev/python$ python getlpstatus.py | grep -v XEN | grep -E "^(i386|amd64)"
[19:39] <stgraber> amd64:		1144 packages
[19:39] <stgraber> i386:		1739 packages
[19:39] <stgraber> hmm, yeah build servers are busy :)
[19:39] <ogra> yup
[19:40] <ogra> http://merges.ubuntu.com is a week old
[19:40] <ogra> should run daily
[19:40] <stgraber> ouch
[19:41] <ogra>  well, archive.u.c was never hammered like that, i guess our userbase made a quantum jump or something
[19:42] <stgraber> yeah, downloading from archive.u.c at 150kB/s (when you are lucky) is really boring those last days ...
[19:43] <ogra> i think mark has to at least add 50% to his always estimated userbase of 8mio (which is surely way to low anyway, but the safest value he can tell to newspapers)
[19:43] <stgraber> fortunately I have a transparent PROXY at home helping a bit with that
[19:44] <stgraber> some people suggested doing stats on ntp.ubuntu.com, then taking unique IPs. Considering that some users are behind firewall and some others have dynamic IPs, that should give you a good indication of the user base :)
[21:47] <LaserJock> stgraber: still up?
[21:47] <stgraber> yep
[23:13] <rcs_comp> I have xubuntu and want to install the games/child apps from edubuntu but keep xubuntu desktop for system resources sake.  Can someone point me in the right direction of how I would do this?
[23:16] <LaserJock> rcs_comp: get the Addon CD
[23:17] <LaserJock> http://www.edubuntu.org/download#addoncd
[23:18] <rcs_comp> LaserJock: thanks for the suggestion.  Would I really need to use a CD?  Can't I download the packages from somewhere using ubuntu's installer?
[23:18] <LaserJock> oh sure
[23:19] <rcs_comp> LaserJock: I guess, I have two main questions.  1) is there a list of packages that would be on that CD?  2) What does ubuntu use for package management?  I am used to slackware.
[23:20] <LaserJock> rcs_comp: ok, let's tackle those one at a time :-)
[23:20] <LaserJock> 1) installing the edubuntu-desktop package will pull in all the packages
[23:20] <rcs_comp> LaserJock: :)  Thank you!
[23:21] <LaserJock> there is also a set of edubuntu-addon-* packages
[23:21] <LaserJock> for a bit more fine-grained selection
[23:21] <LaserJock> ok, now for 2)
[23:21] <rcs_comp> so, if I was to install the main "edubuntu-desktop" package, is that just a way of bulk installing all the edubuntu-addon-* packages?
[23:22] <LaserJock> well, actually I think there are some small difference
[23:22] <LaserJock> but basically something like that
[23:22] <rcs_comp> ok
[23:22] <LaserJock> edubuntu-desktop is going to pull in quite a bit of Gnome libraries
[23:23] <rcs_comp> which I would be happy to do without
[23:23] <rcs_comp> unless of course the kid apps need htem
[23:23] <LaserJock> although you can still use the xubuntu desktop
[23:23] <rcs_comp> right
[23:23] <LaserJock> roughly what age range are we talking about?
[23:24] <rcs_comp> My kids: 3-11
[23:24] <rcs_comp> Really though, I am happy to pull them all in.  My main emphasis is to get the apps without the KDE desktop.  I am not going to be that picky about which apps I want to install.
[23:25] <LaserJock> ah
[23:25] <LaserJock> actually we do pull in a number of KDE apps generally
[23:25] <LaserJock> as KDE Edu is pretty much the cream of the education apps crop
[23:26] <rcs_comp> or maybe its Gnome Edubuntu installs by default for a desktop, I am not 100% sure.  Yes, I realize I will want to pull in KDE apps but not the KDE desktop.  Or, maybe I can't do that?
[23:26] <LaserJock> Edubuntu uses Gnome but with KDE Edu added on
[23:27] <LaserJock> I think I'd suggest first to install the edubuntu-addon-legacy package
[23:27] <LaserJock> it's just the educational apps without the extras
[23:28] <LaserJock> ok, so back to how to install this stuff
[23:29] <LaserJock> would you like to use a terminal or a simple GUI or a powerful GUI?
[23:29] <rcs_comp> terminal would be great
[23:30] <LaserJock> ok
[23:31] <LaserJock> so, to get it all just run: sudo apt-get install edubuntu-addon-legacy
[23:31] <LaserJock> to search for edubuntu related packages you can run: apt-cache search edubuntu
[23:32] <LaserJock> and to look at a package in more detail: apt-cache show <packagename>
[23:32] <LaserJock> rcs_comp: sorry if you already know all that stuff, not sure if you've used apt much
[23:33] <rcs_comp> actually, never used it at all.  Don't be sorry, that is EXACTLY what I wanted.  I am going to go try it.
[23:35] <LaserJock> it will probably download quite a bit
[23:35] <LaserJock> some of the education games have a lot of graphics/sound
[23:37] <rcs_comp> does ubuntu run SSH by default?
[23:37] <rcs_comp> I can't seem to login from afar :(
[23:45] <LaserJock> ah
[23:45] <LaserJock> no
[23:45] <LaserJock> you want to install openssh-server
[23:46] <LaserJock> rcs_comp: Ubuntu doesn't open ports to the outside world by default so the ssh client is installed by default but not the ssh server
[23:47] <rcs_comp> LaserJock: ok, got that working too.  Thanks again.