[03:55] <Andantino> im having a problem with compiz and the desktop cube and all that
[03:56] <Andantino> when i try to run it, all my windows lose their maximize and minimize buttons
[03:57] <Andantino> and the cube will switch screens but every screen is the same with the same tabs open
[08:12] <Wizard> hi
[08:12] <Wizard> what happened with places menu in natty?
[08:49] <eee> hello everyone. Does anybody know how to set firewall up?
[08:55] <eee> I'm newbie in irc. can anybody answer me: can you see my posts? is this correct channel?
[08:56] <Unit193> eee: This is the correct channel
[08:57] <eee> is firewall for xubuntu really necessary ?
[08:57] <Unit193> eee: You may want to look at gufw since it's a gui
[08:58] <Unit193> !firewall | eee
[09:03] <eee> unit193: ty. but i did not quite understand what are you talking about. can you give me links. and i mean real firewall with interface like firestarter etc
[09:10] <Unit193> You could use firestarter... But you can look at some info about gufw in synaptic
[09:13] <Wizard> eee: all of this apps Unit193 mentioned comes from network traffic control and they don't have many common options known from 'firewalls' for windoze
[09:13] <eee> ok. ty all
[09:14] <Wizard> you will find possibilities of traffic shaping, nat, port blocking and forwarding, packet filtering, deep packet analysis and so forth
[09:14] <Wizard> what features do you expect from a firewall?
[09:18] <eee> i prefer something like Comodo fw. i dont like any application starting or sharing resources without permission
[09:19] <Wizard> sorry, i haven't used windows for ages, i don't know comodo, what does it do?
[09:20] <eee> i got message from Pidgin. and i guess its already runing , but i dont allowed anything like that
[09:22] <Unit193> Wizard: He wants something like whitelisting
[09:22] <eee> comodo asked you every time , when some appl or program want to use your resources or connections
[09:23] <Wizard> i'm never gonna understand windows..
[09:24] <Wizard> i would kill myself if any app was bothering me to send something or not :/
[09:24] <Wizard> eee: i've never heared about such tool
[09:24] <eee> you can make a rules))
[09:25] <Unit193> Wizard: You can change settings in it (I've used an older version, seems nice)
[09:25] <eee> but. i find Pidgin running and i dont allowed this. is it normal?
[09:26] <Wizard> no
[09:26] <Wizard> xubuntu starts no network tools by defautl, iirc
[09:27] <eee> ok . let me see.
[09:28] <Wizard> maybe you started it once and forgot about it.. xubuntu saves session by default
[09:28] <Wizard> (this is another nightmares causing behaviour)
[09:30] <eee> its my 3rd session, and i dont think i did started it before, but anyway i found it suspicious.
[09:35] <eee> i choose linux for security reasons. and all i worried about is a my passwords. i dont keep any private info here. but i really need something to protect my emails. can you give a advise about my worries? )))
[09:44] <eee> does anybody knows anything about threats such as worms or troyans for xubuntu?
[09:44] <eee> and what i should do first to minimize risks?
[09:51] <eee> ok)) so can anybody explain me how to install firestarter ? i could find::::To install, open the Applications!!!! (where is it???) menu and choose Add/Remove.Select Show: All available applications and search for Firestarter.
[09:51] <eee> *i could not   )))
[09:53] <Unit193> Menu > System > Synaptic Package Manager
[09:54] <eee> ok
[09:54] <eee> and then?
[09:54] <Unit193> There should be a search button
[09:55] <Sysi> basically firewall is quite useless, you anyway don't have anything listening those closed ports, open ones need to be open anyway
[09:56] <Wizard> eee: there were some malicious scripts hidden in packages with screensaver on gnome-look.org
[09:56] <eee> ok .ty
[09:57] <Wizard> basic security hint is to use only official repositories, keep away from ppa and don't install any debs downloaded directly
[09:58] <Wizard> i think using LTS will also help you maintaining consistent and secure system
[09:58] <eee> ty wise wizzard
[09:58] <Wizard> нет проблема
[09:59] <eee> LTS? how can i install it. Speak Russian?
[09:59] <Wizard> a bit
[10:00] <Unit193> There is also a russian channel
[10:00] <Wizard> lts - long term support - is a older version of xubuntu, which still recieves security updates
[10:00] <Sysi> 10.04 currently
[10:00] <Wizard> yup
[10:00] <cYmen> Does anybody know how to turn on the nocaps modifier for a keyboard layout?
[10:00] <Wizard> eee: wikipedia has pretty nice explanation of ubuntu releases
[10:00] <Sysi> i think you'd need selinux and noscript to have really secure system, if even then
[10:01] <cYmen> (It maps caps-lock to control.)
[10:01] <Sysi> !lts
[10:01] <Wizard> cYmen: setxkbmap -option nocaps <your_layout_here>
[10:02] <eee> ty all
[10:02] <Wizard> cYmen: unfortunately xfce does not have neat xkb options editor (like gnome or kde)
[10:03] <cYmen> mkay...so where do I autoload that?
[10:03] <Sysi> settings -> sessions and startup should work
[10:03] <Wizard> yup
[10:05] <Wizard> cYmen: first try it in terminal, if it works
[10:07]  * cYmen reboots.
[10:08] <Wizard> does anybody use xubuntu with touchscreen device?
[10:10] <cYmen> Wizard: Seems to work fine. Thanks!
[10:10] <Wizard> your welcome
[10:10] <Wizard> cYmen: you didn't have to reboot, btw
[10:11] <Sysi> for testing it he did
[10:12] <Wizard> eee: if it comes about my russian skills - i've been learning it for 1,5 year
[10:14] <eee> anybody knows how to make youtube play videos?
[10:14] <Wizard> sure
[10:14] <Wizard> it says flash is not installed?
[10:15] <Wizard> look for flashplugin in synaptic
[10:16] <eee> ok. let me see.
[10:17] <eee> what is a best package?
[10:18] <Wizard> flashplugin-installer
[10:18] <Wizard> it does everyting for you
[10:20] <cYmen> How can I add shortcuts to network shares to the file manager?
[10:20] <cYmen> Like network drives in windows..
[10:23] <cYmen> ugh I'll just use the shell
[10:23] <cYmen> gui-schmui :p
[10:23] <Wizard> lol
[10:31] <eee> when i mark Adobe Flash Player plugin installer it shows "!" sign and cant be applied before "fix broken package" . does anybody know anything about it?
[10:34] <Sysi> update package list, if your system is up-to-date
[10:37] <Wizard> o_O
[10:37] <Wizard> synaptics also has 'fix broken' somewhere
[10:38] <Sysi> my guess still is outdated package database
[10:38] <Wizard> me too
[10:38] <eee> update helped. ty
[10:45] <eee> still black screen on youtube, do i need to restart to apply changes?
[10:46] <Sysi> make sure you don't have gnash installed
[10:46] <Sysi> restarting firefox should be enough
[10:46] <Sysi> what graphics driver and is your system 32 or 64 bit?
[10:47] <eee> let me see. min
[10:49] <eee> how can i find out about gnash?
[10:49] <Sysi> synaptic, or see what plugin you have on firefox
[10:53] <eee> gnash is not installed. where i can find out  about firefox plugins? ( i know its too noobish(((
[10:54] <Wizard> about:plugins
[10:54] <Wizard> as Sysi said - firefox restart should be enough
[10:54] <visitor1> hi, anybody manages to play flash video fluently under xubuntu 10.04?
[10:55]  * Wizard
[10:56] <visitor1> under firefox it crashes and under opera it uses almost 100% cpu
[10:57] <Sysi> what graphics card/drivers, 32 or 64bit?
[10:57] <Sysi> what cpu, fullscreen or always?
[10:58] <visitor1> the nvdidia drivers 32 bit, pentium 6300
[10:58] <visitor1> always
[10:59] <visitor1> 9600gt
[10:59] <Sysi> right click on some video and set off hardware acceleration from settings
[10:59] <Sysi> flash is known to eat lots of cpu though
[11:00] <visitor1> ok, i will check it out, tough i think i already tried this also
[11:00] <visitor1> i heard about light spark?
[11:00] <visitor1> but i think its still beta and also needs a newer os version
[11:16] <Wizard> what is light spark?
[11:16] <Wizard> btw, flash should die a painfull death ;)
[11:44] <Belserusk> How do people find 11.04?
[11:45] <Belserusk> Rating out of 10?
[11:55] <Wizard> works fine
[11:55] <Wizard> ah, he quit :P
[14:13] <jrgifford> Any idea on how I could reset a users Xubuntu session?
[14:38] <Wizard> jrgifford: you can delete xfce session configuration
[14:38] <jrgifford> Wizard: where is that stored?
[14:38] <TheSheep> in ~/.cache/sessions
[14:39] <jrgifford> I'd like to reset this guys desktop without losing any data (like pidgin/empathy/chrome/ config etc)
[14:39] <Wizard> ah, desktop
[14:40] <Wizard> than look at ~/.config/xfce
[14:44] <jrgifford> Thanks Wizard and TheSheep!
[14:45] <xubuntu258> ciao a tutti
[14:45] <xubuntu258> ho un problema
[14:45] <xubuntu258> cè qualcuno che m aiutaaa
[14:46] <Sysi> !it
[16:20] <Pres-Gas> Hey, what is the proper way to disable the ability to have non-admin users shut down/restart a machine?
[16:21] <Pres-Gas> I saw some pages that talked about gconf editing the gnome-power-manager, but we are using the xfce4-power-manager
[16:21] <Pres-Gas> ...or would I be editing something else?
[16:26] <GridCube> mm
[16:26] <GridCube> i don't know
[16:27] <GridCube> let me find out
[16:27] <Pres-Gas> Yeah, I am still googling as well....
[16:29] <xrdodrx> what would stop them from hitting the power button?
[16:29] <ablomen> http://embraceubuntu.com/2006/03/20/disable-shutdown-for-normal-users/ << try this
[16:29] <xrdodrx> seems like a pointless setting to me
[16:30] <ablomen> (also disables the power button on some pc's)
[16:46] <cYmen> Hm...how do I login to the cups admin page?
[16:47] <cYmen> ah my user...gna...nvm :)
[16:49] <freed0m> Есть которые по-русски понимают?
[16:50] <charlie-tca> !ru | freed0m
[16:51] <freed0m> та ппц ребята. у меня вопрос по xubuntu а не ubuntu
[16:52] <charlie-tca> Как правило, # Ubuntu-RU должны быть в состоянии помочь и с Ubuntu и Xubuntu. Это, к сожалению, только на английском языке канала.
[16:53] <cYmen> hm... my printer stopped working and I don't know why :/
[16:53] <charlie-tca> check the cables?
[16:53] <freed0m> Блин)) так ты же на чистом русском написал)))) товарищ)) а переводчик нам поможет?
[16:53] <charlie-tca> out of paper, out of ink?
[16:54] <charlie-tca> Я использую Google Translate для этого
[16:54] <cYmen> hehe sadly no
[16:54] <cYmen> cups is complaining about the cups/foo/backend/hp failing
[16:55] <cYmen> There are some reports about this but I have yet to find a way to fix it that works.
[16:55] <charlie-tca> Maybe it needs a restart?
[16:55] <cYmen> Seems to be a generic error message.
[16:55] <charlie-tca> I don't really know much about printers.
[16:55] <charlie-tca> freed0m: I can try maybe.
[16:56] <cYmen> Nobody does. Everybody hates printers and wants them to just work. :)
[16:57] <charlie-tca> There is a couple of developers that works the printer stuff, to the best of my knowledge.  You agreed to follow the guidelines when you log in to any #ubuntu/#xubuntu channel
[17:00] <charlie-tca> !guidelines
[17:01] <charlie-tca> or any variation on those words, including a placeholder type word/character
[17:02] <freed0m> How to configure your desktop so you can create links to the program (icon) as for example in Lubuntu / runtu / ubuntu?
[17:03] <charlie-tca> freed0m: just right click on the desktop, add a launcher
[17:03] <charlie-tca> freed0m: in Xubuntu 11.04, you can drag the icon from the menu to the desktop, too.
[17:04] <charlie-tca> I lied to you
[17:04] <charlie-tca> you can't drag it.
[17:05] <charlie-tca> freed0m: the other way is to open Application Finder, and drag the application to the desktop
 freed0m: just right click on the desktop, add a launcher:With this method, I know, but it is not very convenient. System xubunru 10.10
[17:06] <charlie-tca> I think you drag the icon from Application Finder, even in 10.10, but am not sure.
[17:06] <Sysi> drag from xfce4-appfinder
[17:08] <freed0m> Finder is available in ubuntu repositories?
[17:09] <Sysi> should there by default
[17:09] <charlie-tca> yes, it should already be installed in menu -> Accessories
[17:09] <charlie-tca> uses the magnifying glass icon
[17:11] <freed0m> No, I do not see this program in the settings
[17:11] <charlie-tca> попробуйте установить его тогда. это называется xfce4-appfinder
[17:12] <charlie-tca> I don't the translation for the Application Finder in the menu
[17:12] <freed0m> Sorry. I found it))) but my questions are not over yet) I have still not tired?
[17:13] <charlie-tca> You are doing fine. Let's keep trying to answer them.
[17:13] <charlie-tca> Sysi: you write any Russian?
[17:21] <freed0m> I removed the standard package of sound control Mixer. I downloaded a new (gnome). I put the sound icon in the system Trey?
[17:22] <charlie-tca> I do not know how to do that.
[17:23] <freed0m> (((
[17:23] <dr4c4n> freed0m: which new sound control?
[17:23] <freed0m> yes, yes
[17:24] <dr4c4n> which one did u install other than mixer?
[17:24] <dr4c4n> I have three
[17:25] <freed0m> I removed the mixer and set a new.
[17:26] <dr4c4n> ok.. but what is the new one called
[17:26] <dr4c4n> is it the pulse audio mixer
[17:26] <GridCube> he said it was the gnome mixer
[17:26] <dr4c4n> ok, those two actually link to the same thing
[17:27] <dr4c4n> i just type mixer or pavucontrol
[17:27] <dr4c4n> or gnome-mixer on cmd line
[17:27] <dr4c4n> u can setup a connection from the control panel if you want, but i just go to CLI
[17:27] <dr4c4n> (terminal)
[17:27] <dr4c4n> what's the problem exactly?
[17:28] <freed0m> wait please) i'm translate
[17:31] <freed0m> The problem is how to control the mixer icon in the system tray
[17:34] <charlie-tca> left-click it, I think
[17:35] <freed0m> The question may seem ridiculous: What are the official system requirements in xubuntu? :)
ok)
[17:37] <charlie-tca> not ridiculous :-)      400MHz CPU, 192MB ram to install, works really slow. Better is 512MB ram, 550MHz CPU
[17:37] <charlie-tca> Installing using the alternate cd requires 2.5GB hard drive
[17:38] <freed0m> graphics card?
[17:38] <charlie-tca> yes
[17:38] <freed0m> parameters?
[17:38] <charlie-tca> any graphics card should work. Some of the old cards fail, like the ATI Rage
[17:39] <charlie-tca> We have no parameters for graphics cards.
[17:39] <charlie-tca> freed0m: I have graphics cards from 1998 still working with Xubuntu, but they won't work for Ubuntu.
[17:41] <GridCube> where can i get help on abiword?
[17:41] <GridCube> :/
[17:41] <GridCube> for some reason it started to think for me and decided i dont whant to write what im writing
[17:41] <freed0m> My system: Intel Celeron 2.00GHz (400mhz), 1.2GB RAM, Graphics Card NVIDIA 128MB frames, but for some reason the system freezes.
[17:42] <freed0m> %)
[17:42] <GridCube> it doesnt let me use " it chages it to « and then it turns ' and ` to "
[17:43] <GridCube> oh there is a "smart quotes" thing
[17:43] <GridCube> who in earth...
[17:45] <freed0m> :/
[17:46] <GridCube> freed0m, how it frezees? when you open thunar?
[17:48] <freed0m> At the opening of the Center Ubuntu Applications
[17:48] <freed0m> CPU 100%
[17:50] <charlie-tca> freed0m: system is good for Xubuntu, freezes is because of something else. Probably looking for network or you need to run update-manager
[17:50] <charlie-tca> GridCube: abiword help here or online docs
[17:51] <charlie-tca> GridCube: http://www.abisource.com/help/en-US/index.html
[17:51] <charlie-tca> all abiword help is now online. It opens in firefox, so if firefox is already open, help opens there.
[17:52] <GridCube> thanks charlie-tca i found out what was the thing that was messing whit my writing, lets see if i can end this paper
 run $ sudo apt-get update?
[18:00] <charlie-tca> freed0m: yes
[18:00] <freed0m> thanks
[18:00] <charlie-tca> and also sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:00] <charlie-tca> see if it helps
[18:02] <freed0m> apt-get dist-upgrade I upgraded to version 11.04, but it is not good
[18:03] <charlie-tca> apt-get dist-upgrade won't upgrade to 11.04 unless you change the file in /etc/apt/sources.list to natty instead of maverick
[18:04] <charlie-tca> however, if you do sudo apt-get upgrade, you only get some of the updates, and many will not be installed for you.
[18:04] <charlie-tca> You need to use either apt-get dist-upgrade or the update-manager to get all the updates installed
[18:07] <freed0m> Well. I listened to your advice. )
[18:08] <charlie-tca> Debian uses dist-upgrade to upgrade to the next release. We use it for updates only, it will not upgrade to the next release for us without more work.
[18:09] <charlie-tca> Now I got to go walk the dog here. I will be back in a few minutes.
[18:10] <freed0m> okey. Thanks you
[18:29] <Wizard> good evening
[18:30] <freed0m> good
[18:30] <Wizard> of course it's good
[18:31] <freed0m> ))
[18:31] <GridCube> :D
[18:31] <GridCube> good
[18:36] <Wizard> freed0m: you're the one who was here earlier with nick eee?


[22:44] <TonyStone> so i have an ubuntu server setup running.  i have a few programs i start from an SSH session... problem is when i start these programs they tie up my terminal... so i cant do anything else. is there any multitasking methods?
[22:44] <TonyStone> also how can i make some of these programs start automatically after boot and be able to "open" the running instance in a remote terminal?
[22:47] <tomreyn> !tty | TonyStone
[22:47] <TonyStone> there is no graphical login... hmmm
[22:48] <tomreyn> there are also so-called terminal multiplexers which can also give you multiple 'screens', such as tmux (and byobu) and GNU screen
[22:48] <tomreyn> it's a server, that's why there's no graphical login
[22:48] <TonyStone> so when i SSH into my ubuntu server i can have different terminals via ctrl-alt f2-f6   m..... im trying now
[22:49] <tomreyn> you can also start processes and keep them running int he background, by adding "&" to the end of the command, then typing "bg" as in "background"
[22:49] <TonyStone> lol... except the ctrl-alt f3 changes my desktop to a terminal...
[22:49] <TonyStone> gotta send it through the ssh client some how... ok
[22:49] <tomreyn> and last but not least you can write systemd unit files to have daemons start automatically at boot, or based on a schedule, or just when you start them manually.
[22:49] <TonyStone> space between & BG ?
[22:50] <tomreyn> oh you're not sitting in front of the server, connected with ssh, then tty switching by hotkeys won't work
[22:50] <TonyStone> im gonna need them to start automnatically... so i will read up on systemd unit files
[22:50] <tomreyn> enter between & and bg
[22:50] <TonyStone> yeah i am remote
[22:51] <TonyStone> ok im trying these now... hold on...  ill be a half-arsed linux admin some day! lol
[22:51] <TonyStone> ok the & works great!
[22:52] <tomreyn> TonyStone: if yuo have more details on what you're trying to accomplish / what these applications are supposed to do, maybe we can provide more targeted suggestions.
[22:53] <TonyStone> so i have my server setup with TheLounge IRC web client...
[22:53] <TonyStone> but in order for me to access it so far i have been logging in via SSH and then starting it. but then it ties up my terminal...
[22:53] <TonyStone> so when i type BG it shows tony@irontowel:~$ sudo -u thelounge thelounge start &
[22:53] <TonyStone> [1] 337886
[22:53] <TonyStone> tony@irontowel:~$ bg
[22:53] <TonyStone> [1]+ sudo -u thelounge thelounge start &
[22:53] <tomreyn> i.e. proper services / daemons are usually written in a way that they output primarily to a log file, not to screen (unless you start them in a verbose / debugging / stay in front mode), and come with a service file so that you can manage them with "systemctl"
[22:54] <TonyStone> sorry if i posted too many lines here... so now how do i access that application again to see if there is output
[22:54] <tomreyn> fg to put it into foreground again
[22:54] <TonyStone> ok... noted systemctl i will also read up on
[22:55] <TonyStone> awesome!!!  that is great for the time being!
[22:55] <TonyStone> so i am sure there would be arguments or parameters for fg command if i put several programs in the background...
[22:56] <TonyStone> except now i am stuck in that program tying up my terminal again... how do i get back out of it now that i did fg?
[22:56] <tomreyn> try "help bg"
[22:56] <tomreyn> or "help fg" for that matter
[22:57] <tomreyn> the "337886" you posted above is the process id of the process that you paused (using "&"), and later backgrounded.
[22:57] <TonyStone> ok will do... but then i have to exit the program i brought to fg. lol... i will get it now.. i am capable of reading help files.  my main problem is i dont know what to look for with some stuff that is very basic to lots of you guys, i am sure
[22:57] <tomreyn> "1" is the job spec
[22:58] <tomreyn> !terminal
[22:58] <tomreyn> !shell
[22:59] <tomreyn> try this guide
[23:00] <TonyStone> skimming that guide now :)
[23:00] <TonyStone> crtl+ R  thats gonna be a good one! lol
[23:03] <TonyStone> in the past couple days i have learned so many linux server related things... setting up TheLounge.... and there is still so much more to go!  i setup haproxy on my bsd firewall to access the server... i dont know how sys admins remeber all this stuff!
[23:06] <tomreyn> they don't, they use "help" and "somecomand --help" and most of all "man somecommand"
[23:06] <tomreyn> !man
[23:07] <TonyStone> !jobs
[23:07] <tomreyn> wrong channel, try #mac
[23:08] <TonyStone> thanks for getting me in the right direction
[23:08] <TonyStone> lol
[23:08] <sarnold> sometimes it's reading the source, too
[23:09] <sarnold> I definitely prefer --help or manpages when they have my answers :)
[23:09] <TonyStone> thats the beauty of open source!  but so far... hopefully i wont get into much that serious.... this is all hobby stuff for now
[23:10] <tomreyn> until you realize what a fine hobby that is
[23:10] <TonyStone> yes... i wish i stuck to computer programming and other stuff as a kid... then got a job in the feild... now im mainly a dumb(actually a smart and good)HVAC tech... haha
[23:11] <tomreyn> oh, there is also https://help.ubuntu.com/
[23:11] <TonyStone> yeah i have been in the ubuntu help site a good bit the past few days...
[23:12] <sarnold> TonyStone: there's pros and cons to everything; you're unlikely to be replaced by a team of a dozen in a far flung corner of the world
[23:12] <TonyStone> that is a valid point!
[23:15] <TonyStone> a cron job could be appropriate to automatically start my application after system start up as well?
[23:16] <sarnold> yes, that's very popular because it can be done with a single line in a single file. but it makes it very difficult to restart it properly, or check output from the program while it runs, etc
[23:16] <TonyStone> ahhh. ok.
[23:16] <sarnold> so even though it's easy I think you're better off to set up a systemd service file for the service, so you can stop and start it reliably after boot
[23:16] <TonyStone> so systemd is probably my best route
[23:17] <TonyStone> ok. perfect.
[23:17] <TonyStone> now my program needs to start with a sudo command.  that probably adds complexities... hmmm... reading up on systemd now
[23:18] <sarnold> systemd won't need that :)
[23:19] <TonyStone> so just use -uTheLoung TheLounge start
[23:19] <TonyStone> -u TheL....
[23:20] <TonyStone> because TheLounge documentation says it needs to run under the user TheLounge which i beleive it automatically created the user when i did the install
[23:21] <tomreyn> quite often, ubuntu (debian) packages will already provide systemd integration. how did you install the software?
[23:21] <TonyStone> just downloaded their .deb package
[23:22] <TonyStone> then sudo apt install theloung.....deb
[23:22] <sarnold> TonyStone: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.exec.html#User=
[23:22] <tomreyn> https://github.com/thelounge/thelounge-deb
[23:23] <tomreyn> looks like it comes with systemd service units but just doesn't enable them by default
[23:23] <TonyStone> omg! i missed all that on their dam page before!
[23:23] <TonyStone> systemctl enable --now thelounge.service   oops
[23:29] <TonyStone> welp... their system ctl unit seems to work fine... i think i missed that because i was using their getting started guide... and it doesnt seem to cover systemctl
[23:31] <TonyStone> well... this is pretty exciting... i had lots of little battles setting this thing up!  Between using LeetsEncrypt for valid SSL certificates... haproxy... and so many things i forgot... my https://lazarus.chat irc web client seems to be securely running!    thanks for your time tomreyn and sarnold
[23:35] <tomreyn> TonyStone: congrats. :) keep in mind that the internet *can* be a hostile place, there are constantly bots trying to hack into your services, so just setting things up is not enough, you'll need to maintain them
[23:37] <TonyStone> yeah... i am constantly installing updates... and i do have concerns of security.  i tried following lots of guides for setting up haproxy via my pfsense firewall... so... i think as of now i did things mostly properly.
[23:38] <TonyStone> i think there is some possible issues with my firewall configuration for some not so important issues... but man.. this is like a full time job! lol
[23:38] <TonyStone> i had also setup openvpn and was playing with that for a while... and i became concerned over security issues so i disabled that for now because there was things i didnt understand yet
[23:41] <TonyStone> i remeber back in the 90s doing some web sites. using CGI and perl.  on shared web hosting service.  i was storing my users personal info un-encrypted. ... then the shared server was misconfigured because i had access to everyone elses web sites via FTP and SSH... so god only knows if someone saw the info i stored... i was a kid... i was getting into things with not enough experience lol
[23:48] <tomreyn> TonyStone: you may want to check with the folks in #libera as to whether they're happy with you hosting a public web interface pointing at their servers. there can be reasons not to want this because it can be an entry point for abusive users, who they would not be able to ban (depending on how you have it configured)
[23:49] <TonyStone> i did discuss it with them in their IRC channel yesterday.  they didnt seem to be against it.  however it is gonna be public but for a small handful of people...
[23:49] <TonyStone> i may put some sort of access control on it


[04:47] <Bert_2> Hi guys, I was looking into why logwatch for my NAS wasn't reporting zfs info and I noticed that the zz-zfs.conf service script for logwatch presumes the zfs and zpool binaries are in /usr/sbin while zfsonlinux in 16.04 installs those in /sbin/, should I file this as a logwatch bug or a zfsonlinux bug on launchpad?
[07:59] <JanC> Bert_2: sounds like a logwatch bug to me
[11:24] <MartesZibellina> I need some help.
[11:24] <MartesZibellina> I can't connect to my server on a client PC, even thought apt update and local SSH-ing work fine.
[11:43] <MartesZibellina> Hello?
[11:49] <ikonia> define can't connect
[11:55] <MartesZibellina> Cygwin says: "Could not resolve hostname <hostname>: Name or service not known".
[11:56] <ikonia> ok - so there is no dns entry for it
[11:56] <tomreyn> so this system has a name resolution issue
[11:56] <ikonia> cygwin....ugh
[11:56] <tomreyn> not an ubuntu issue
[11:56] <MartesZibellina> WinSCP also reports the same issue.
[11:57] <ikonia> you have no name server resoution for your ubuntu IP
[11:57] <MartesZibellina> How do I alleviate that issue?
[11:58] <ikonia> fix whatever your name service is
[11:58] <ikonia> or put an entry in the hostfile on the client
[11:58] <MartesZibellina> How?
[11:58] <tomreyn> or connect to the servers' ip address , not hostname
[11:58] <MartesZibellina> Oh.
[11:58] <MartesZibellina> BTW, how do I check my IP address on the server?
[11:58] <tomreyn> ip a
[12:02] <MartesZibellina> Now it says "Connection refused".
[12:13] <MartesZibellina> Which IP address should I connect to?
[12:16] <tomreyn> the one the service your are trying to connect to listens on
[12:17] <tomreyn> "netstat" -pn or "lsof -i" would show.
[12:32] <MartesZibellina> Which IP address, to be exact?
[12:37] <tomreyn> how would we know?
[12:39] <tomreyn> you are trying to connect, using an unknown protocol, from some client (ip address unknown) to some service (unknown) listening on some (unknown) port on a server running ubuntu using an unknown protocol. it is unknown which network the client and the server reside in, and how connectivity between them can be established.
[12:39] <tomreyn> so, without more details from your end, no one will be able to help you.
[12:43] <MartesZibellina> The server and the client reside in the same home network.
[12:43] <MartesZibellina> I can upload a photo if you want.
[12:48] <MartesZibellina> https://s19.postimg.org/51wl94vsj/lsof_-i_output.jpg
[12:49] <MartesZibellina> BTW, how can I scroll text in the non-desktop terminal?
[12:50] <MartesZibellina> Ie., the one that you open with Alt+1-Alt+6.
[13:14] <MartesZibellina> Hello?
[13:15] <FManTropyx> did you try the PgUp/PgDn keys?
[13:18] <MartesZibellina> They don't work and PgDn only yields me a tilde sign.
[13:20] <rsx> Shift+PgUp/PgDn should work
[13:22] <MartesZibellina> It works!
[13:34] <MartesZibellina> But still, what am I supposed to do?
[13:37] <rsx> is sshd running at your server? check i.e. with netstat -tlp | grep sshd
[13:43] <MartesZibellina> https://s19.postimg.org/4b8gh0y7n/20171105_144153.jpg
[13:43] <MartesZibellina> The command's output.
[13:48] <rsx> what does /var/log/auth.log tells about connection refused?
[13:50] <MartesZibellina> On the client?
[13:50] <rsx> on the server
[13:50] <MartesZibellina> May I post a picture of it?
[13:52] <rsx> yes
[13:53] <MartesZibellina> Or you know what? I'll just upload it on hastebin.
[14:01] <MartesZibellina> https://hastebin.com/uyuwucerix.sql
[14:05] <rsx> Can't see any ssh connection from your client. Did you try to ssh via ip address from your client?
[14:12] <MartesZibellina> When I try connecting to the CORRECT IP address, on the correct port, it says "Connection timed out".
[14:16] <rsx> that means your client cannot access your server at port 22/tcp. Do you get an replay for ping from client to server?
[14:16] <rsx> reply
[14:17] <MartesZibellina> How do I ping it?
[14:17] <MartesZibellina> With cmd?
[14:18] <rsx> cmd: ping <ip address>
[14:18] <MartesZibellina> The host is unreachable.
[14:20] <rsx> can you ping any other machine i.e. router from your client and your server?
[14:23] <MartesZibellina> I can ping my router just fine.
[14:28] <rsx> ping server to router is ok, ping from server to client any vice versa is not?
[14:33] <MartesZibellina> Ping to router from client AND server are both fine.
[14:33] <MartesZibellina> Let me try server->client.
[14:34] <MartesZibellina> That works just fine.
[14:34] <MartesZibellina> How do I stop the pinging process?
[14:35] <rsx> CTRL+C
[14:36] <rsx> do you have any kind of firewall configured on the server?
[14:37] <MartesZibellina> No.
[14:37] <rsx> check iptables -L -n
[14:37] <MartesZibellina> On server?
[14:37] <rsx> yes
[14:38] <rsx> last idea: do all machines have the same netmask?
[14:38] <MartesZibellina> How do I check it?
[14:41] <rsx> ip a
[14:44] <MartesZibellina> https://s19.postimg.org/y0ln9fetf/20171105_154331.jpg
[14:48] <rsx> are client or server connected via WLAN?
[14:49] <rsx> and if so, does your router (access point) allow communication between clients?
[15:06] <ikonia> this is getting silly
[15:06] <ikonia> why is someone trying to run a server who doesn't understand basic networking
[15:11] <MartesZibellina> The client is connected through Ethernet, and the server through a wireless adapter.
[15:12] <ikonia> MartesZibellina: have you got a basic grasp of IP networking
[15:21] <MartesZibellina> I just want my problem to be solved.
[15:22] <ikonia> MartesZibellina: I understand that, that's why I'm asking if you understand basic TCP IP networking
[15:27] <MartesZibellina> I don't think so.
[15:27] <ikonia> ok - so why are you trying to run a server ?
[15:28] <MartesZibellina> I want to make an use of my old PC.
[15:28] <MartesZibellina> Why would it be only lying around, after all?
[15:28] <MartesZibellina> The SSH worked just fine before rebooting.
[15:28] <ikonia> then I suggest you research a basic understanding of networking
[15:29] <MartesZibellina> Are there any good sites?
[15:30] <ikonia> just buy a book
[16:36] <MartesZibellina> Maybe removing desktop environments will help?
[16:41] <MartesZibellina> Also, there's "A job is starting for Wait for Network to be Configured".
[16:41] <MartesZibellina> And it fails.
[16:41] <MartesZibellina> Upon boot.
[17:09] <ikonia> MartesZibellina: again, this is why you need basic understanding of networking
[17:30] <MartesZibellina> Now, the problem's solved!
[17:31] <MartesZibellina> It's the desktop environment that's been interfering with the server!
[17:40] <ikonia> what ?
[17:44] <MartesZibellina> Now I can SSH just fine.
[17:44] <ikonia> the desktop does not touch ssh
[17:45] <MartesZibellina> Maybe the network manager did.
[17:45] <ikonia> if you have configured /etc/interfaces and network manager then of course it will fight
[17:45] <ikonia> as both are trying to manage the network card
[17:50] <MartesZibellina> In any case, now I can rest assured that my client will SSH just fine to the server.
[17:50] <MartesZibellina> I installed lubuntu-desktop before.


[17:23] <SpamapS> Keybuk: so it does look like there's a term handler in ubuntu's upstart..
[17:24] <SpamapS> Keybuk: which just exits init.. I'm looking through the kernel now to see if it somehow handles the re-exec in a weird way
[17:31] <Keybuk> I thought there was
[17:33] <Keybuk> but I can't find it in natty's
[17:33] <Keybuk> I wonder whether bzr has tried to help
[17:35] <Keybuk> if that's been lost, that's the fix
[17:35] <Keybuk> restore the term-handler that just dumbly re-execs init
[17:37] <SpamapS> does the kernel re-exec if init exits?
[17:39] <ion> It panics
[17:42] <SpamapS> right... weird I had to kill 1 twice to get a panic
[22:25] <ashb> (this isn't really the right place to ask but i'm not sure where is) does anyone know anything about how to generate the deb-installer initrd/netboot image for ubuntu?