[00:16] <stevepearce> evening all, I am experiencing a problem with groundcontrol on two machines.
[00:16] <stevepearce> I would like to know how to debug the issue, but im not too sure how
[00:16] <stevepearce> basically, I cannot login using my launchpad credentials
[00:16] <stevepearce> so far, I have tried erasing cache, changing login credentials.
[00:16] <jpds> stevepearce: Talk to doctormo.
[00:17] <kermiac_> hmmm... bug 11334 has denegrated into an umm... "not very nice issue" containing nasty 4 letter words  <-- https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/11334/comments/201
[00:17] <ubot4> kermiac_: Bug 11334 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/11334 is private
[00:17] <stevepearce> I had a feeling that's who I needed to speak to
[00:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 11334 in ubuntu (and 2 other projects) "MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste (affects: 81) (dups: 22)" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[00:17] <kermiac_> we file a question on LP answers to get bug comments modified/ deleted, right?
[00:18] <jpds> kermiac: Yep.
[00:19] <bdmurray> well, I don't think that's that bad
[00:19] <kermiac> bdmurray: aren't we supposed to keep things "family friendly"?
[00:20] <bdmurray> kermiac: yes, there is some value in the rest of the comment and deleeting it because of 1 word seems a bit extreme to me
[00:21] <kermiac> yes, I agree... that's why i mentioned modified/ deleted. are LP admins able to simply remove the offending word in the comments?
[00:21] <bdmurray> I don't believe so, but I'm not certain.
[00:22] <kamalmostafa> bug process question:  Who should set the "Target to Milestone" value?  E.g. for bug 260406 -- is it appropriate for me (as the triager / FFe-requester) to set the Target Milestone to 10.04 because that's what I *want*?  Or will the Target Milestone get set by somebody else after "approval"?
[00:22] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 260406 in gnuradio (Ubuntu) "Sync gnuradio 3.2.2.dfsg-1 (multiverse) from Debian unstable (main) (affects: 3) (dups: 1)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/260406
[00:22] <kermiac> ok, I'll file a question asking if it can simply be modified or maybe deleted & re-added minus the offending word
[00:22] <bdmurray> kamalmostafa: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RCBugTargetting
[00:23] <jpds> kermiac: Well, it's too late for that.
[00:23] <kermiac> jpds: what do you mean?
[00:24] <jpds> kermiac: Emails have already been sent, mailing lists already have the word archived.
[00:24] <kermiac> jpds: ok, I didn't think of that.... I may as well leave it then
[00:24] <jpds> kermiac: And the next commenter quoted him...
[00:27] <kamalmostafa> bdmurray: thanks for the pointer -- I think I understand this to mean that there need not be any "Target to Milestone" for this wholly non-release-critical bug.
[00:27] <kermiac> jpds: yes, i noticed someone else quoted him so i *was* going to ask LP admins to modify that too.... but no point really because, as you said, it's been archived on ML
[00:27] <kermiac> ty for the discussion bdmurray & jpds :)
[00:28] <bdmurray> kamalmostafa: we could target to lucid if you like though and it'd be a target of opportunity
[00:29] <jpds> kermiac: Also the lists get archived on USENET, which you're never going to be able to delete stuff from. :-/
[00:29] <kermiac> oh, I didn't realise it was also archived on usenet. you learn something new every day... ty jpds :)
[00:29] <kamalmostafa> bdmurray: no, actually i wouldn't want to imply in any way that this sync is 'critical' for Lucid (and I bet it will get approved regardless) -- I was more curious about how I was supposed to use that field (or, as it turns out, not use it).
[00:40] <Anzenketh> There that spreadsheet should improve the quality of my checks by a great multitude
[00:45] <Anzenketh> Sujest Wishlist bug 528781 possibley 100 Papercuts.
[00:45] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 528781 in empathy (Ubuntu) "Empathy doesn't give irc option in account setup wizard (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/528781
[00:55] <kermiac> Anzenketh: bug 528781 was marked as dupe. Original upstream bug states that this is by design
[00:55] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 528781 in empathy (Ubuntu) "Empathy doesn't give irc option in account setup wizard (dup-of: 433714)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/528781
[00:55] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 433714 in empathy (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "initial empathy account wizard does not offer IRC as an account (affects: 4) (dups: 1)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/433714
[00:55] <kermiac> Anzenketh: but they (upstream) are currently discussing if this behavoiur should be changed
[00:56] <Anzenketh> I am starting to get anoyed with a feature missing in openoffice. I have half the mind to write a patch and submit it.
[00:57] <Anzenketh> Bit scared too becouse I am not the best programer in the world.
[00:57] <Anzenketh> Still novice.
[00:57] <Anzenketh> Thanks for the help on that kermiac
[00:57] <kermiac> np Anzenketh :)
[01:40] <ddecator> anyone know how i can add/edit stock responses to the firefox-lp-improvements add-on?
[01:46] <kermiac> ddecator: should be a link to edit responses when you are using them on a bug report
[01:46] <kermiac> hang on, I didn't explain it very well
[01:46] <kermiac> at the end of the list of responses there is reload & edit. just click edit
[01:47] <kermiac> you need to be on a bug report page to do this afaik
[01:48] <ddecator> kermiac, and so there is...i wondered what that link did, haha
[01:48] <kermiac> well now you know :)
[01:50] <ddecator> this is gonna be a big help...thanks kermiac =)
[01:51] <kermiac> np ddecator :)
[01:51] <ddecator> i'm doing some cleanup for firefox and i'm using the same things over and over, but they aren't included by default
[01:52] <kermiac> yeah, so now you can add it. don't forget you can also change the task,importance,status, etc when you add in a new response
[01:52] <ddecator> yah i just noticed that. very nice
[01:52] <kermiac> yup, it is :) It saves us a lot of hard work
[01:53] <Anzenketh> I desided to work on linking upstream bugs using QA report http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/launchpad-database/unlinked-bugwatch.html
[01:53] <kermiac> well, maybe not *hard* work, but it does make triaging a lot easier :)
[01:53] <ddecator> and faster
[01:53] <Anzenketh> If the bug is upstream but is not confirmed upstream or downstream what do we do with the bug triage it as normal?
[01:53] <ddecator> Anzenketh, we triage our reports separately from the upstream reports
[01:53] <kermiac> and ddecator beat me to it :)
[01:54] <Anzenketh> Ok so the answer is yes
[01:54]  * kermiac nods
[01:54] <ddecator> i try my best ;)
[01:54] <Anzenketh> That looked like something rather easy for me to do.
[01:55] <Anzenketh> When does the tracker run?
[01:55] <Anzenketh> I found a bug marked closed upstream but after I added the tracker it is not marked closed downstream
[01:57] <kermiac> I *may* be able to help... bug #?
[01:57] <ddecator> Anzenketh, upstream links don't automatically change our statuses, only the status of the link
[01:57] <nigelb> Anzenketh: upstream gnome?
[01:57] <Anzenketh> nope this is a kernal upstream
[01:57] <nigelb> a few upstream trackers are currently disabled, so you need to add a comment about upstream fix/close and do the needful downstream
[01:57] <Anzenketh> I know gnome Upstream does not due to the !
[01:58] <nigelb> on another node, launchpad takes some timeto update the upstream trackers
[01:59] <Anzenketh> I figured that was the case that is why I asked the question.
[01:59] <Anzenketh> Well sence I know it is closed I will just close it.
[02:05] <ddecator> i forgot to save my new replies -_-
[02:06] <nigelb> ddecator: lol, gm scripts?
[02:06] <ddecator> nigelb, yah, i hit reload before saving them, haha
[02:06]  * nigelb has done it plenty
[02:15] <Anzenketh> freedesktop trackers are always xorg packages right?
[02:16] <Anzenketh> Nevermind answered my own question
[02:16] <ddecator> there we go!
[02:16] <ddecator> that's going to save a lot of time
[02:18] <Anzenketh> Trying to figure out how to attach the upstream for bug http://launchpad.net/bugs/521163
[02:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 521163 in ttf-wqy-zenhei (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "WenQuanYi Zen Hei is prioritised above Japanese fonts for Japanese language text (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New]
[02:18] <ddecator> dinner time, bbl
[02:26] <phixxor> heyo -- I have a but that's unassigned and is said to expire in two weeks -- is there anything I can do about it? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/322592
[02:26] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 322592 in linux (Ubuntu) "Support, but poor support, added for WUSB54Gv2 - wifi problem" [Medium,Incomplete]
[02:35] <Anzenketh> There now it is not
[02:36] <Anzenketh> 8.04 is losing support in april can you test it on a live cd of lucid.
[02:36] <rww> April 20*11*...
[02:37] <rww> LTS is 3 year support on the desktop, 5 on server.
[02:37] <Anzenketh> I must have read that wrong
[02:37] <Anzenketh> It is a desktop install
[02:37] <Anzenketh> though
[02:38] <rww> 8.04 came out in April 2008 (hence the version number). 2008 + 3 = 2011.
[02:39] <phixxor> well the problem continues to exist in karmic
[02:40] <phixxor> it's actually gotten worse, it seems
[02:42] <phixxor> downloading the live alpha 3 :)
[02:47] <Anzenketh> lucid is likely to get more attention due to it is the next LTS
[02:47] <Anzenketh> If it is not in lucid a bug fix may be on it's way.
[02:49] <Anzenketh> Yay for 5 days I have been touching 5 bugs a day.
[02:53] <phixxor> I forget, can old PCs boot from cd rws
[03:14] <kermiac> Anzenketh: I have added the upstream bugwatch to bug 521163. I believe i have done it correctly, but am not 100% as I don't know much at all about the referenced package
[03:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 521163 in ttf-wqy-zenhei (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "WenQuanYi Zen Hei is prioritised above Japanese fonts for Japanese language text (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/521163
[03:17] <Anzenketh> ????? X just restarted on me
[03:19] <Anzenketh> Looks good
[03:20] <Anzenketh> But I only started about 5 days ago
[03:24] <Anzenketh> Do not know what to do with bug 528277 He can not start the live cd at all just gets a no signal.
[03:24] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 528277 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "screen goes blank when booting to live environment with some nouveau Graphics Cards (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/528277
[03:32] <zubin71> could smone tell me when the next bug week is going to be held?
[03:45] <Anzenketh> It is being held on my birthday
[03:45] <Anzenketh> Not that that helps you much
[03:45] <Anzenketh> March 9th
[04:11] <zubin71> Anzenketh: i`ll be around to wish you then! :)
[04:12] <zubin71> Anzenketh: thnkx for the info!
[04:12] <ddecator> what's up?
[04:15] <Anzenketh> Going though all my existing bugs
[04:15] <Anzenketh> That I am watching
[04:16] <zubin71> Anzenketh: are you a python developer? what kind of bugs do you work on? just curious...
[04:16] <Anzenketh> Not watching touching.
[04:17] <Anzenketh> Treaging.
[04:17] <Anzenketh> I don't know python yet
[04:17] <Anzenketh> Just C++,c, Perl, PHP, Java.
[04:18] <Anzenketh> And just the basics of those.
[04:41] <Damascene> hi,
[04:42] <ddecator> hey Damascene
[04:42] <Damascene> hey ddecator
[04:43] <Damascene> Is page for lucid bugs like the one for qa iso testing tema
[04:43] <Damascene> team
[04:43] <ddecator> what do you mean by a page for lucid bugs?
[04:43] <Damascene> one minute
[04:44] <Damascene> like this http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[04:45] <ddecator> i've never done official iso testing so i'm not sure how that site works. are you asking if there is a similar page for lucid?
[04:47] <Damascene> yes
[04:47] <Damascene> only lucid bugs
[04:48] <Damascene> I might search for lucid but I want the professional way
[04:48] <ddecator> you can go to launchpad, go to ubuntu, then bugs, and there should be a link on the right where you can select "lucid" to see all lucid bugs, but there isn't really a site that i know of where there is postings of specific bugs that need testing...other than some bugs have a tag saying they need dev-release testing
[04:52] <Damascene> ok, hope some one give another way
[04:52] <ddecator> are you looking to test bugs in lucid?
[04:54] <Damascene> yes
[04:56] <ddecator> ah, in that case you should (theoretically) be able to find bugs with the 'needs-devrelease-testing' tag, but usually this isn't added since we either test it ourselves or have the reporter test their bug on a live cd since they know how to reproduce the bug...
[04:58] <Damascene> I think maybe the tag "lucid" is enough
[04:59] <ddecator> that can work too, although you'll also find bugs that have already been tested in lucid, so you'd just have to sift through the results
[05:11] <Anzenketh> The problem comes into play is most pepole do not know to add the tag lucid.
[05:12] <ddecator> it's not that we don't know, it just really easy to forget
[05:12] <Anzenketh> No I am talking about the reporters
[05:12] <ddecator> that's true too
[05:13] <ddecator> bug triagers forget to add them too...i should probably go through my subscribed reports and check the tags, haha
[05:13] <Anzenketh> In the perfect world we would not need so many pepole in the bug squad becouse everyone would be able to follow the instructions on the bug reporting page.
[05:13] <Anzenketh> ddecator: May I recommend creating a spreadsheet checklist
[05:14] <Anzenketh> Helped me a lot on DUH I forgot to add that.
[05:14] <ddecator> Anzenketh, haha, i hate using spreadsheets so i just need to get in the habit of checking
[05:15] <Anzenketh> If you hate creating them then I can send you mine.
[05:15] <ddecator> Anzenketh, thanks, but that's alright, tags are just about the only thing i forget to double-check. if i follow a list, then i don't learn to do it automatically...just a personal thing
[05:16] <Anzenketh> Ahh that makes sence
[05:18] <ddecator> my main problem is tags don't seem altogether as important to me as everything else since i just use google to search for bugs, and that searches the descriptions which almost always has the ubuntu version listed
[05:22] <ddecator> especially since there is a site with tags we should use, but not many people follow that site, so it doesn't exactly make searching consistent =p
[05:35] <Anzenketh> Tags Increae the liklyhood that they will get adressed
[05:35] <Anzenketh> For example the patch tag will likely be looked at by a developer reviewing code
[05:35] <Anzenketh> lucid for those wanting to work on lucid issues
[05:36] <Anzenketh> Makes things a lot easier to find.
[05:36] <ddecator> true, the tags included in the lp-improvement add-on are important
[05:47]  * Anzenketh needs to keep a eye on why OO is crashing on me.
[05:47] <ddecator> is it consistent with a certain action?
[05:52] <Anzenketh> nope
[05:52] <Anzenketh> that is the problem
[05:54]  * Anzenketh is going to uninstall the ubuntu version and install the non ubuntu version to make sure it is not something ubuntu did.
[05:56] <ddecator> 3.2 has been stable for me
[05:56] <Anzenketh> You don't like spreadsheets
[05:57] <ddecator> but i'm also a college student who has to write a LOT of papers
[05:57] <Anzenketh> This is in calc
[05:57] <ddecator> well you never said that
[06:14] <Anzenketh> ddecator:  you a member of 5 a day?
[06:14] <ddecator> Anzenketh, yes
[06:16] <Anzenketh> bug 1 is funny
[06:16] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 1 in tilix (and 16 other projects) "Microsoft has a majority market share (affects: 218)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[06:16] <ddecator> also very famous amongst the community =)
[06:29] <Anzenketh> OHh I figured out what I can do with my extra laptop
[06:29] <ddecator> make it a server?
[06:30] <Anzenketh> Nope lucid install testing.
[06:30] <Anzenketh> I have a server
[06:30] <Anzenketh> It is running 8.04 LTS
[06:40] <ddecator> alright, i have a question. if a reporter says that the bug is fixed in a new release, then marks it "fix released" but there is no specific evidence in the changelogs for the fix, should i change it to "invalid" and mark that it's closed because of the fact that the update fixed it?
[06:41] <Anzenketh> I belive the lp addon marks it as fix released
[06:41] <Anzenketh> Let me check
[06:41] <ddecator> the "unknown fix" marks it inavlid
[06:41] <ddecator> invalid
[06:41] <Anzenketh> Hum.
[06:41] <Anzenketh> Ya
[06:42] <Anzenketh> It makes sence with invalid
[06:42] <Anzenketh> You should have installed your update
[06:42] <ddecator> well it was just an old untouched bug
[06:42] <ddecator> kermiac, do you think it's appropriate to switch it to "invalid"?
[06:43] <kermiac> ddecator: bug #?
[06:43] <ddecator> bug 500708
[06:43] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 500708 in firefox (Ubuntu) "Gtk Error Message (affects: 1)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/500708
[06:43] <ddecator> might have never been a firefox problem to begin with given the error message
[06:44]  * kermiac is looking
[06:45] <kermiac> seems like possibly a configuration issue to me
[06:45] <kermiac> and
[06:45] <kermiac> Bugs resolved after update or config change
[06:45] <kermiac> Ocassionally bug reporters will indicate that a bug has been fixed after some software update or after changing a configuration value back to its default value. These bug reports should be set to 'Invalid' since we don't know the root cause. When closing the bug report it is a good idea to take an opportunity to let the reporter know how to manage bug statuses.
[06:45] <kermiac> so invalid would make sense
[06:45] <ddecator> kermiac, thanks, just wanted a second opinion
[06:45] <kermiac> np ddecator :)
[06:46] <ddecator> and thanks for your opinion too Anzenketh , i just wanted a -control opinion as well =)
[06:46] <kermiac> I'm only a new -control member ddecator - still learning too :)
[06:46] <Anzenketh> You are better then me I only joined 5 days ago
[06:47] <kermiac> well, you're doing a rocking job so far Anzenketh - thanks for all of your help :)
[06:47] <ddecator> kermiac, true, but i still value you're opinion. and, i may be a -control member soon too ;)
[06:48] <Anzenketh> 5 days and 70 bugs later?????
[06:49] <kermiac> ddecator: yeah, I saw your application :)
[06:49] <ddecator> kermiac, got one +1 so far
[06:50] <kermiac> excellent :)
[06:51] <Anzenketh> A +1?
[06:52] <ddecator> Anzenketh, it just means that one of the reviewers approves of me being a -control member
[06:55] <jazz> has anyone mention the f-stop bug?
[06:55] <ddecator> jazz, can you be more specific?
[06:56] <jazz> where it crshes on opening?
[06:56] <ddecator> have you checked lp?
[06:56] <jazz> i have  i fixed mine
[06:56] <Anzenketh> kermiac: do you know what bug gravity means?
[06:56] <ddecator> did you find a report?
[06:57] <ddecator> jazz, ^
[06:57] <jazz> ddecator,  i did http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8841324 comment #10
[06:58] <jazz> i changed my theme and it sovled my problem...but if i revert back to my theme it still breaks
[06:58] <ddecator> jave you looked for an official bug report?
[06:58] <ddecator> have*
[06:59] <kermiac> Anzenketh: basically it refers to how much of an impact the bug is having
[06:59] <Anzenketh> Ahhh ok
[06:59] <kermiac> habg on a sec... I think brian murray wrote something about it on his blog
[06:59] <Anzenketh> So those would be high targets to get triaged.
[06:59] <jazz> ddecator,  no i have not.
[06:59] <kermiac> Anzenketh: http://www.murraytwins.com/blog/?p=40
[07:00] <Anzenketh> kermiac: looking
[07:01] <ddecator> jazz, it looks like it was reported. let me see if i can find it...
[07:01] <kermiac> Anzenketh: here's the report brian (i am pretty sure it's brian) looks after   http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/bugnumbers/yesterday.html
[07:01] <jazz> ddecator,  i  didnt think it was a bug so i asked in the channel i was in and  had help sussing  it out.
[07:02] <Anzenketh> Ya that is what poped the question.
[07:02] <ddecator> jazz, well it's not behaving how it should, so it makes it a bug =), https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/f-spot/+bug/520186
[07:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 520186 in f-spot (Ubuntu) "opens for a few seconds then closes. (affects: 2)" [Medium,Incomplete]
[07:02] <jazz> i never opened up the program before  and when i do it crashed... bad things always happen to me
[07:03] <kermiac> Anzenketh: you can see at the bottom of the report what factors make up the total gravity of the bug(s)
[07:03] <Anzenketh> Yep
[07:03] <Anzenketh> I am all for working smarter that is why I am asking
[07:03] <ddecator> jazz, go ahead and click the "does this bug affect you?" link at the top of the report =)
[07:04] <ddecator> jazz, you can also try to run the commands pedro mentioned at the top since the reporter couldn't seem to get it to work right
[07:06] <ddecator> jazz, then add the file produced. but up to you, you don't have to if you're not comfortable with the command line
[07:06] <jazz> ddecator,  i dont see where it affect me  up top
[07:06] <ddecator> jazz, it's right under the title. it should say "This bug affects 2 people. Does this bug affect you?"
[07:07] <ddecator> jazz, just click that link and select "Yes"
[07:07] <jazz> just says this bug affect 2  people
[07:07] <ddecator> jazz, you might need to be signed into launchpad to do that then
[07:08] <jazz> one sec let me sign  in
[07:09] <jazz> ddecator,  yeah i got it signing in  was the ticket.. ok
[07:09]  * Anzenketh is excited becouse he has himself a live testing system not a vm
[07:09] <ddecator> Anzenketh, that's always nicer
[07:10] <ddecator> jazz, thanks! now you can either leave it as is and know that it's reported, or if you want to help then you can try to produce the file pedro asked for. up to you
[07:10] <Anzenketh> I rememberd I had a Old System lying around.
[07:12] <jazz> ddecator,  (im new been using since 9.10) i'd like to help becuase it isnt working with a theme i enjoy ubuntu with
[07:13] <ddecator> jazz, alright, i can help you out then
[07:13] <ddecator> jazz, to start, use the theme that caused it to crash
[07:14] <jazz> ddecator,  i still have the paste bin up from  earlier
[07:14] <ddecator> jazz, what does it contain?
[07:14] <jazz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/384853/
[07:16] <ddecator> looks the same as the description, so you don't need to add that
[07:16] <jazz> ddecator,  i googled  line 19  and  it lead me to the forum where i read switching themes  was a work around (i guess)
[07:16] <ddecator> jazz, good deal, workarounds are always nice, but getting the program to work without workarounds is even nicer ;)
[07:17] <jazz> ddecator,  so we got a third bug report, and a crash report. whats next?
[07:17] <ddecator> jazz, you ran the commands from the comment?
[07:18] <jazz> nope....
[07:18] <ddecator> what third bug report and crash report are you talking about then?
[07:18] <jazz> wich comment?
[07:19] <jazz> oh i was the 3rd since  there was two others affected...
[07:19] <ddecator> jazz, oh alright. comment #1 has a several commands that will produce a report. you should need to run each one separately. want me to walk you through it?
[07:20] <jazz> yes  please ifn you dont  mind.
[07:20] <ddecator> not at all. before you begin, can you please let me know what version of ubuntu you are using and can you confirm that you are using the latest version of f-spot?
[07:20] <ddecator> before we begin*
[07:21] <jazz> ok 9.10 and  a sec on f-spot
[07:22] <jazz> f-spot is  0.6.15 from the help>about  on the progra,
[07:23] <ddecator> perfect! alright, let me just run the commands myself a second so i know what they will do...
[07:24] <jazz> ok
[07:27]  * Anzenketh is thinking of orgenizing a bug hug day
[07:27] <ddecator> jazz, sorry, i'm having some trouble with it so it's taking me a sec to figure out...
[07:28] <kermiac> Anzenketh: for what app?
[07:28] <Anzenketh> Haven't decided yet
[07:28] <jazz> ddecator,  no worries.
[07:28] <Anzenketh> I need to see what one needs the most help in my opinion
[07:28] <kermiac> ok, let me know if you decide... If it's something I know about I'll help out :)
[07:29] <jazz> ddecator,  in the mean time bugs can be defined by something not working as intended?
[07:29] <kermiac> Anzenketh: you seen the wiki info about hug days?
[07:29] <Anzenketh> That is what braught up the comment
[07:29] <kermiac> ok :)
[07:29] <ddecator> jazz, correct
[07:29] <Anzenketh> Last bug hug day was last month
[07:30] <kermiac> yeah, that was the kernel one, i think
[07:30] <kermiac> suspend/resume issues
[07:30]  * kermiac missed it due to work commitments :(
[07:32] <jazz> ddecator, is trhere a channel to launchpad guys?
[07:33] <ddecator> jazz, do you mean a channel for the launchpad admins?
[07:33] <jazz> how can i contact them about  passwords username and  profiles?
[07:33] <ddecator> for your launchpad account?
[07:33] <jazz> yes,
[07:33] <ddecator> kermiac, do you have any gdb experience?
[07:34] <kermiac> ddecator: not really, sorry mate
[07:34]  * Anzenketh is trying to remember what gdb is.
[07:34] <Anzenketh> Ahh that
[07:34] <ddecator> kermiac, np, i just can't get gdb to recognize f-spot as an executable file, even if i run it with sudo
[07:35] <Anzenketh> You really do go all out don't you ddecator
[07:35] <kermiac> strange
[07:35] <ddecator> jazz, what are you wondering about your lp account?
[07:35] <ddecator> Anzenketh, it was requested in the report, haha
[07:35] <jazz> when  i first got redirected to the launchpad site i wasnt sure of  LP. and gave my spamcatcher email. (you know the one where you give ppl but you dont check it but once every 2 months)
[07:35] <Anzenketh> Ahh
[07:35] <kermiac> ddecator: want me to fire up my karmic vm & have a look?
[07:36] <ddecator> kermiac, what are you on right now?
[07:36] <ddecator> jazz, so you just want to change your email?
[07:36] <kermiac> jaunty on this particular box, but I've got karmic & lucid boxes... plus vm's
[07:37] <jazz> the pass word  on the account  im on now and  the other profile  can be deleted pretty much
[07:37] <ddecator> kermiac, well lets give a shot in jaunty...try 'gdb f-spot' and tell me if it comes back saying it doesn't recognize the format
[07:37] <ddecator> jazz, what do you mean that the password can be deleted?
[07:38] <jazz> i got 2 "profile" with lp. i only need the one,
[07:38] <kermiac> not recognised on jaunty either.... I'll look into it a bit
[07:39] <ddecator> kermiac, thanks, i appreciate it. i checked and the file is executable and running f-spot from the terminal works fine. idk much about how gdb works though
[07:39] <ddecator> jazz, so you just want to deactivate one of the accounts?
[07:40] <jazz> i guess after a while they will just delete it for inactivity then, ...
[07:40] <jazz> dda yep,..
[07:41] <ddecator> jazz, if you sign into the account you want to deactivate, then click the name in the top right corner (so it brings it to the profile page), you can click "change details" in the top right, then at the bottom is an option to deactivate the account
[07:41] <jazz> it aint a big deal i was  wondering if they had admins or  the ling  for deactivating
[07:42] <ddecator> jazz, yes there are admins, but we usually only bother them for things like people needing to be banned due to purposefully messing up reports or harassing users
[07:42] <kermiac> ddecator: found it on the wiki
[07:42] <Anzenketh> kermiac: the majority of work on cordnating a bug day comes before the day right?
[07:42] <kermiac> To obtain a backtrace from a Mono application such as Beagle or F-Spot, use Mono's --debug option, e.g.
[07:42] <kermiac> mono --debug /usr/lib/f-spot/f-spot.exe
[07:42] <kermiac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace
[07:42] <ddecator> kermiac, perfect! thanks
[07:42] <ddecator> i was looking at that page but didn't notice that section
[07:42] <kermiac> np ddecator - it worked here
[07:44] <ddecator> jazz, you ready to try and get that report?
[07:44] <jazz> guys want to know something funny about this bug repot?  i never used f-stop before or know what it does. 2 nights ago i think i tried to open it and  it wouldnt  lol
[07:44] <jazz> ddecator,  lets do it
[07:44] <ddecator> jazz, alright, do you have the theme set that caused it to crash?
[07:45] <jazz> not applied atm, but its installed   when i right click
[07:45] <ddecator> jazz, apply it. we need to make f-spot crash ;)
[07:45] <jazz> ok done
[07:46] <ddecator> alright, try to open f-spot to make sure it will still crash
[07:46] <jazz>  :0 yep
[07:46] <ddecator> good! so f-spot is closed now, yes? (since it crashed)
[07:46] <jazz> yep
[07:47] <ddecator> alright, then open a terminal and run 'mono --debug /usr/lib/f-spot/f-spot.exe' (without the quotes)
[07:47] <ddecator> f-spot should open then, with any luck, crash like before
[07:47] <kermiac> Anzenketh: yes, that's right. I believe that you need to do a fair amount of work before the actual bug day - it should all be laid out in the wiki.
[07:47] <kermiac> Anzenketh: I haven't organised a bug day
[07:48] <jazz> is there a space between --debug and /usr  it wrapped on xchat
[07:48] <Anzenketh> Ya I know I just figured you were around for one once.
[07:48] <ddecator> jazz, yes
[07:49] <ddecator> jazz, you can also copy-paste if you want
[07:49] <jazz> ddecator,  i was never abled to copy-paste in x chat how do i do that? also program open and crash as you said
[07:50] <kermiac> Anzenketh: This is a good outline of what kind of things need to be organised before the bug day - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/BugDays
[07:50] <ddecator> jazz, i never noticed you couldn't do that...using ctrl+c may work for copying but i'm not sure
[07:50] <ddecator> yah ctrl+c works
[07:51] <ddecator> anyway, is there a bunch of output in the terminal?
[07:51] <jazz> ddecator,  yes there is text  in terminal
[07:52] <jazz> ctrl c did work  thanks learn new things!
[07:52] <ddecator> jazz, alright, keep the terminal open for now until i see what the output is. can you copy the output into a paste bin like before?
[07:52] <ddecator> (keyboard shortcuts are always fun to learn =))
[07:53] <jazz> yes one  momemnt.
[07:53] <ddecator> ty
[07:53] <ddecator> Anzenketh, organizing a bug day is something that is good to do with a mentor =)
[07:53] <jazz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/384924/
[07:53] <jazz> ddecator, ^
[07:54] <ddecator> same output as before...hm
[07:54] <Anzenketh> ddecator: Ya would love to no mentor yet.
[07:54] <ddecator> Anzenketh, usually takes a while. you applied for one though, yes?
[07:54] <Anzenketh> Ya
[07:54] <ddecator> jazz, let me look into it a sec
[07:54] <jazz> also if you dont mind and have the time can you explain whats being done  so as i can learn?
[07:55] <jazz> ddecator,  take your time
[07:55] <ddecator> jazz, we're trying to get a report that tells us what exactly is causing the crash so we can know how to fix it
[07:56] <jazz> ddecator,  :0 yeh the over all point. but what was the command line  you had me type.
[07:57] <ddecator> aha!
[07:57] <jazz> xD
[07:57] <ddecator> jazz, i didn't have you type the right thing before, but i got it figured out
[07:58] <jazz> sweet, lets give the right one a go!
[07:58] <ddecator> jazz, alright, open the terminal, then type (or copy paste ;)) 'gdb /usr/lib/f-spot/f-spot.exe'
[07:58] <ddecator> kermiac, this is something good to know for the future
[07:59] <jazz> ddecator,  a new termina;?
[07:59] <ddecator> jazz, preferably, so there isn't the old output cluttering everything
[07:59] <ddecator> jazz, you can close the old terminal
[07:59] <jazz> done
[08:00] <ddecator> alright, in the same terminal, run 'break gdk_x_error'
[08:00] <ddecator> it will ask you a question. put 'y' for yes and hit enter
[08:01] <jazz> i got a (gdb) and my cursor
[08:01] <ddecator> yes, that's right. did you type the second command yet?
[08:01] <jazz> nope, was waiting incase it wasnt finsihed
[08:02] <ddecator> jazz, go ahead, it's a command that we're giving to gdb
[08:02] <jazz> ok breakpoint 1 (gdk_x_error) pending
[08:03] <ddecator> good, now enter 'run --sync'
[08:03] <jazz> ddecator,  thats another meaning as to explain what were doing --- ok
[08:04] <jazz> back to the  (gdb)
[08:04] <ddecator> jazz, we're using gdb, a program, to watch f-spot open and crash, so then it will tell us what caused it
[08:05] <ddecator> ok, with the terminal still open, launch f-spot from your applications menu and have it crash
[08:05] <Anzenketh> Ugh
[08:05] <Anzenketh> my lucid i386 iso is broken.
[08:05] <jazz> ran and crashed
[08:05] <ddecator> jazz, good, now go back to the terminal and run 'thread apply all bt'
[08:06] <jazz> ddecator,  last txt is ---type <return> to continue, or q<return> to quit---
[08:07] <ddecator> one sec, let me get it on my comp...
[08:08] <ddecator> jazz, keep hitting the <return> key until you get (gdb) again
[08:08] <jazz> ddecator,  2 times, got ot
[08:08] <ddecator> jazz, perfect. can you paste bin all of the results for me?
[08:09] <jazz> one sec.
[08:10] <jazz> ddecator,  http://paste.ubuntu.com/384933/
[08:13] <jazz> ddecator,  mind if i pm'ed  you?
[08:14] <ddecator> unfortunately i have no idea what backtrace should look like, but that's what commands were requested, so we can add that to the report as a comment
[08:14] <ddecator> jazz, go ahead
[08:16] <jazz> so then copy the pastebin link  as a comment?
[08:17] <ddecator> yes, just put at the top that you ran the command differently in order to get it to run properly. i subscribed to the bug so i can monitor what happens. you can subscribe too if you want emails updating you on any more comments added to the report
[08:18] <jazz> one sec  let me post the comment.
[08:19] <ddecator> sure thing. and, if you want to subscribe to the bug, just click the "Subscribe" button on the right side, at the top of the whole list of names
[08:20] <kermiac> Anzenketh: did you check the iso md5sum to ensure it wasn't corrupt?
[08:20] <Anzenketh> I keep on forgeting to do that
[08:21] <Anzenketh> It was alpha 2 anyways
[08:21] <ddecator> Anzenketh, does the comp have an nvidia graphics card?
[08:21] <jazz> ddecator,  that pastebin link for the gdb was what was asked for right?
[08:21] <Anzenketh> Mine that I am working on yes
[08:22] <ddecator> jazz, yes, that last pastebin you put. that's the output requested
[08:22] <Anzenketh> That is part of the reason why I was excited to do this due to some of the issues with lucid and nvidia
[08:22] <jazz> ddecator,  cuz we did a few just making sure i post the right one.  safe to close the terminals?
[08:22] <ddecator> Anzenketh, i know alpha 3 has some trouble with nouveau (for nvidia) and plymouth...for some people (including me), hitting <enter> returns you to gdm, haha
[08:23] <Anzenketh> Do you know a master bug for that.
[08:23] <ddecator> jazz, please wait till i see the comment and verify it has everything we need
[08:23] <ddecator> Anzenketh, yah, let me find it...
[08:23] <Anzenketh> Becouse that one if it is not done and triaged yet it needs to be.
[08:24] <kermiac> Anzenketh: if you want to save some time/bandwidth when updating your iso to alpha 3, you  should look at zsync
[08:24] <ddecator> Anzenketh, bug 522692
[08:24] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 522692 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "Pressing <Enter> key causes gdm to restart on VGA16FB system (affects: 34) (dups: 2)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/522692
[08:24] <ddecator> branched off of the fixed bug report
[08:26] <jazz> ddecator,  ok i sent the comment  and this is a copy and paste from the earlier conversation i had with a team member about this ...
[08:26] <jazz> ddecator, After testing, this seems to be a problem with gtk+-2.0 pixmap engine. Any theme using the pixmap engine crashes with fspot in the same manner.
[08:26] <jazz> which brought the workaround of not using my theme hehehe :)
[08:26] <Anzenketh> kermiac: ya unfortently my cdrom did not burn the last few ico's verry well
[08:28] <kermiac> Anzenketh: you could always use the usb startup disk creator to get around optical drive issues
[08:28] <kermiac> if you have a flash drive
[08:28] <Anzenketh> Good point.
[08:28] <kermiac> :)
[08:28] <ddecator> jazz, alright, good, i also saved a copy of the backtrace jic. you can also put that idea as a comment on the report so the devs can look into that possibility =)
[08:29] <ddecator> Anzenketh, burning at the slowest speed also helps with burning live cds
[08:29] <jazz> ddecator,  the gtk2.0 comment
[08:30] <ddecator> jazz, yes. was that from the forums?
[08:30] <Anzenketh> Just relized something
[08:30] <ddecator> what's that?
[08:30] <jazz> i think so,
[08:30] <Anzenketh> USB installers are great for testing hardware
[08:31] <Anzenketh> I don't need a extra system
[08:31] <ddecator> jazz, then just say something like "The following was suggested as a possible cause on the Ubuntu forums: <copy of comment> <link to forum page if you have it>"
[08:32] <ddecator> Anzenketh, usb works just like a live cd, so not all bugs will show up. up to you though =)
[08:32] <Anzenketh> Duno about that.
[08:32] <Anzenketh> maby ones hdd related but that is about it
[08:33] <ddecator> yah the difference is minimal...and you can setup the usb to save settings and allow you to install software. however, i've had usb loaders stop working on me without being able to work out the problem
[08:34] <ddecator> could be the image went bad somewhere, could be an update issue...but without a recovery mode, no way to tell ;)
[08:34] <Anzenketh> If the USB installer works that is great becouse then I get to test it on a wide range of systems.
[08:35] <kermiac> Anzenketh: I was suggesting that you use usb creator to do an install (as a workaround for your optical drive issues) as what ddecator said is right - it's pretty much like a live cd
[08:35] <jazz> ddecator,  check it out then, i posted the comment.
[08:37] <Anzenketh> cccccccbighrvkrrfvbfgrucugcdbrkucdbfdtgctbli
[08:37] <ddecator> jazz, looks good, although comment #10 on the forum doesn't show that quote for me...
[08:39] <jazz> ddecator,  from the original pastebin we googled line 19 and followed it to the page and comment 10 was what got us  thinking changeing  themes would be a workaround
[08:39] <jazz>  brb
[08:44] <ddecator> ah, ic
[08:44] <ddecator> well there, that was a good learning experience =)
[08:46] <jazz> im back
[08:46]  * kermiac agrees
[08:46] <ddecator> wb jacob
[08:46] <jazz> im quite happy.
[08:47] <ddecator> jazz, sorry we don't have a workaround right now that will allow you to use the theme you want along with f-spot...but hopefully the devs will be able to fix the issue for 10.04 =)
[08:50] <jazz> ddecator,  its ok, its a workaround to get it to work,  i change themes often. in fact i use drapes and was going to look into epidermis
[08:52]  * ddecator loves his homosapien custom metacity with the human theme
[08:53] <jazz> once i find a theme wot i like then i leave themes alone.  however many look too plain or cartoony
[08:53] <jazz> brb
[08:55] <ddecator> jazz, it's kinda plain, but you can adjust homosapien to look how you want (http://www.zacbarton.com/homosapien/customizer/) and it works with f-spot, haha
[08:56] <jazz> haha ....well first let me see what the darn thing looks like and what fspot does.
[08:57]  * Anzenketh just love how development hooks slow things down
[08:58] <ddecator> Anzenketh, what do you mean?
[08:58] <Anzenketh> It is taking forever to start the Live session.
[08:58] <ddecator> for alpha 3?
[08:58] <Anzenketh> ya
[08:58] <ddecator> started on my comp in less than 30 sec
[08:59] <kermiac> alpha3 boots in about 12 secs for me :)
[08:59] <ddecator> installed or live?
[08:59] <kermiac> installed
[08:59] <ddecator> very nice, mines live...i couldn't believe it at first
[09:01] <ddecator> 3:00am already?
[09:01] <kermiac> not here, lol
[09:01] <ddecator> where are you?
[09:01] <kermiac> only 8pm here :)
[09:01] <kermiac> australia
[09:01] <Anzenketh> ddecator: I think that that bug hit me too
[09:01] <ddecator> o_O
[09:01] <ddecator> kermiac, very nice, i want to visit australia someday
[09:02] <Anzenketh> Where you have to press enter to get gdm to come up
[09:02] <ddecator> Anzenketh, after you login, does hitting <enter> return you to gdm?
[09:02] <Anzenketh> Oh
[09:02] <Anzenketh> Duno have not been able to login yet
[09:02] <ddecator> what's it doing?
[09:03] <Anzenketh> I duno
[09:03] <Anzenketh> Cant bring up a terminal
[09:03] <ddecator> do you have a black screen with just a white cursor?
[09:04] <Anzenketh> Think so I did a few other things though
[09:04] <Anzenketh> what was that bug again
[09:04] <ddecator> mine?
[09:04] <ddecator> or rather the one i'm experiencing?
[09:05] <ddecator> it's, after you auto-login, if you hit <enter> at ANY time, you end up back at gdm. it used to crash x, but it's been "fixed" enough that it just seems to log you out, haha
[09:06] <Anzenketh> Nope I got a blank screen white curor
[09:06] <Anzenketh> cursor*
[09:06] <ddecator> try restarting the comp. i had that the first time but restarting worked for me (for some reason)
[09:07]  * Anzenketh wishes had access to Vertual terminals on the live install.
[09:07] <jazz> i made ramen noodels just now, i  put crushed red peppers, but the lid was broken and  i got a  jar full of crushed red peppers  in my ramen... ;(
[09:08] <ddecator> haha, that sucks
[09:08] <jazz> ddecator,  so terminal can be closed safley  now?
[09:08] <ddecator> jazz, oh, haha, sorry, forgot abou that. yes, go ahead
[09:08] <Anzenketh> does it have a # with a blinking cursor
[09:08] <Anzenketh> Oh wait that is linux
[09:08] <jazz> yes it does, i dont mind red peppers i love spicey but when my  food taste like the inside of a woodchipper....
[09:08] <Anzenketh> unix
[09:09]  * Anzenketh just aged himself on how long he has been using linux
[09:09] <jazz> i got a(gdb) still
[09:09] <ddecator> Anzenketh, mine was, after selecting the option to run without changing the system, it went to a black screen with a white cursor and froze...but i just remembered that only happened when i was trying to get it to work in vbox...
[09:09] <ddecator> jazz, that's fine, just close the terminal anyway
[09:10]  * Anzenketh loves the terminal and how it is not crippled
[09:10] <ddecator> Anzenketh, did you get it to boot?
[09:11] <Anzenketh> Waiting.
[09:11] <ddecator> still?
[09:11] <Anzenketh> Yep
[09:11] <Anzenketh> I told you it was slow
[09:11] <ddecator> is it a really old system?
[09:11] <Anzenketh> Um centrino processer
[09:11] <Anzenketh> So ya
[09:11] <ddecator> still seems like it would have booted by now...it didn't freeze?
[09:11] <Anzenketh> Nope the cdrom is reading away
[09:12] <ddecator> good deal
[09:12]  * ddecator wants to be a bugsquad mentor someday
[09:12] <ddecator> and an ubuntu member ;)
[09:12] <Anzenketh> You would make a good one.
[09:12] <jazz> ddecator,  you might unofficially become one lol
[09:12] <ddecator> jazz, that's fine with me, haha
[09:13] <ddecator> that's why i'm always in this channel when i'm on irc
[09:13] <jazz> i use x chat and try to make it so whn iopen it  the rooms i am in open too but that dont happen
[09:13] <jazz> only thr  ubuntu  chan does
[09:14] <ddecator> my ubuntu geekiness has gotten to the point that we were talking about empathy in my psych class, and my first thought was the im client...
[09:14] <ddecator> jazz, did you add it to your fav channels? (i use xchat too)
[09:15] <jazz> aye,
[09:15] <jazz> i dont know how to get to my fave chans either  lol
[09:16] <ddecator> XChat > Network List... > FreeNode > Edit > Favorite Channels
[09:16] <ddecator> any channels you add in there (use the "..." icon to make it easier) will automatically be joined when you get on xchat
[09:17] <ddecator> also make sure FreeNode is set to auto connect
[09:17] <ddecator> (same edit window)
[09:17] <jazz> i get the connect screen  at the  xchat>networklist>freenode
[09:17] <ddecator> did you hit "Edit" on the right?
[09:18] <jazz> oh duh!....
[09:18] <ddecator> ;)
[09:18] <jazz> must be them red peppers
[09:18] <ddecator> we'll just say it is, haha
[09:19] <jazz> sweet thanks, now how do i get you profile  in LP
[09:19] <ddecator> how do you view it? http://www.launchpad.net/~ddecator
[09:21] <ddecator> i'm gonna get a jabber id whenever they allow registration again...
[09:22] <jazz> i use pidgin  to keep with my facebook and  myspace fiends
[09:22] <ddecator> i use empathy...i know pidgin is still better, but i think empathy has a lot of potential with the telepathy network, so i'm adopting it early
[09:23] <jazz> what is  5 a day participant?
[09:23] <ddecator> jazz, 5 a day participants agree to try and work on at least 5 bugs a day
[09:23] <yofel> jazz: you will then be listed on http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/five-a-day/
[09:24] <ddecator> hey yofel !
[09:24] <yofel> hi  ddecator
[09:24] <ddecator> idk what's going on that the stats page keeps saying i haven't met my 5 a day...
[09:24] <jazz> i havent even set that up. is empathy like pidgin where you have to have chat set up  to import into pidgin
[09:25] <ddecator> empathy works just like pidgin, and can import settings from pidgin, it just doesn't have quite as many features or as many settings yet
[09:25] <yofel> ddecator: hm? you *are* listed on the stats page...
[09:26] <jazz> lol i only have and use facebook and myspace chat.  and thats barely
[09:26] <ddecator> yofel, for me it just shows that i got 2 weeks at one point, but it doesn't say i got my 5 a day yesterday (even though i worked on 6 or 7 bugs)
[09:26] <Anzenketh> ddecator is your email public
[09:27] <yofel> ah yeah, that seems to be messed up sometimes
[09:27] <yofel> Anzenketh: he wouldn't show up at all if that weren't the case
[09:27] <ddecator> Anzenketh, yup, it was keeping track before
[09:27] <ddecator> yofel, so it has happened before?
[09:28] <ddecator> (btw, congrats on -control yofel , last i talked with you, you were still waiting to get reviewed)
[09:28] <yofel> ddecator: well, sometimes it doesn't show me on the 'currently on a 5 a day streak (5/7 days)' list
[09:28] <Anzenketh> I just confirmed a bug in OO time to file it
[09:29] <yofel> ddecator: thx, I hope brian gets to review your application soon
[09:29] <ddecator> yofel, hm...well maybe it really is keeping track and it's just not displaying right...idk, i've made it a point to work on, at least commenting, 5 different bugs a day
[09:29] <ddecator> ty yofel , i hope so too =)
[09:29] <jazz> ok how would  i know what to do or commands to run tofix bugs. like earlier ddecator  when i asked what we was doing
[09:30] <ddecator> jazz, just something you learn over time...i didn't know about those commands, i only knew to have you run them because pedro (my mentor and much more experienced than me) asked the reporter to run them
[09:31]  * Anzenketh is wondering how he knows who is on that does bugcontrol.
[09:32] <jazz> ok,  and should  i set up  a virtual box for  bugs? id hate to emulate a bug to help figure it out and ruin my own unit
[09:32] <ddecator> Anzenketh, i just look at their lp profile
[09:32] <Anzenketh> Well ya I know that more or less I was wondering how you know who is on
[09:32] <jazz> Anzenketh,  how did you do that lol
[09:33] <ddecator> jazz, you can if you want. we definitely don't recommend upgrading your system to the dev release, but running it in vbox allows you to run it without changing your system. you can work on bugs without doing that though
[09:33] <yofel> Anzenketh: check the bugcontrol team page (lemme fetch it)
[09:33] <ddecator> jazz, you mean the "/me" command?
[09:33] <yofel> Anzenketh: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol
[09:34] <jazz> i think its a /me command thats wot i was asking
[09:34] <jazz> yofel,  ty for the link btw,
[09:34] <ddecator> jazz, yup, just start your post with /me and it will put your name
[09:35] <jazz> ddecator,  i wouldnt have fetched the theme that broke f-stop to help get the report on my  box lol
[09:35]  * jazz is mad about his noodles
[09:35] <jazz> well have a look at that!
[09:35] <ddecator> jazz, no problem, you don't have to confirm bugs if you don't want to. you can just request more info, find duplicates...
[09:35] <jazz> thanks!
[09:37] <jazz> nice, im more interested now actually than i was  before, between these links and chatting over it
[09:37] <ddecator> jazz, that's how it starts, then it pulls you in ;)
[09:38] <Anzenketh> Then you start wondeirng where your day went
[09:38] <jazz> Anzenketh,  well its already 4:49am-just ate dinner
[09:39] <ddecator> 3:39am for me, haha
[09:40] <yofel> 10:39 am here (in germany)
[09:40] <ddecator> this is why i love the ubuntu community...people from everywhere, haha
[09:42] <jazz> yofel,  what part about in germany?, i grew up in wildfliken, 82-83,  frankfurt, 84-86.
[09:43] <yofel> jazz: stuttgart ;)
[09:43] <ddecator> small world o.o
[09:43] <jazz> yay been there too!
[09:43] <yofel> indeed :D
[09:43] <ddecator> i flew out of munich, but that was the extent of my stay in germany...
[09:45] <Anzenketh> What is a trunk version. I am asking becouse some pepole are using the PPA version of network manager.
[09:45] <ddecator> Anzenketh, a nightly build
[09:45] <ddecator> the latest and greatest
[09:45] <jazz>  frankfurt, wildflicken, baumholder, wiesbadden, wurzburg,eshborn, drake edwards, and off post in the country was so awesome with the canal and the meadows
[09:45] <ddecator> Anzenketh, also usually very buggy and unstable
[09:45] <Anzenketh> Thus the bug in it
[09:46] <jazz> speaking about network managers. the icon on docky 2 must have changed its not the 4 squares an more its agreyed out looking window
[09:46] <ddecator> nm is something i've never dared risk being unstable...
[09:46] <ddecator> jazz, docky or gnome-do docky?
[09:46] <Anzenketh> well the pepole in bug 527313 have.
[09:46] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 527313 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "after last update the network manager does not connect to wireless network using trunk build. (affects: 3)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/527313
[09:46] <ddecator> and that's why i don't use it...
[09:47] <Anzenketh> Ya neither would I.
[09:47] <jazz> ddecator,  docky 2 not the gnome docky isnt that just gnome do changed in thier prefrances?
[09:47] <jazz> thus making one docky the other just gnome do with a diferent shirt on?
[09:48] <ddecator> jazz, yah, gnome-do docky is the theme. the nm thing for docky sometimes doesn't show the right icon. at least not with wireless
[09:48]  * Anzenketh keeps forgetting how to check versions on any program
[09:49] <jazz_> grrr!!!! what just happened?!
[09:49] <yofel> jazz_: did your IP change?
[09:50] <ddecator> Anzenketh, at least that guy seems to know nm well
[09:50] <yofel> hm wait, it did not
[09:50] <Anzenketh> Ya
[09:50] <jazz_> dont know.,  wifi signal isnt mine
[09:50] <jazz_> nickserve!?
[09:51] <yofel> well not sure, the message was: jazz<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit (Disconnected by services)
[09:51] <jazz_> who else has jazz im now  jazz_
[09:51] <ddecator> nickserve keeps track of the nicks everyone is using
[09:51] <ddecator> if you don't register your nick, then it isn't guaranteed you'll keep it
[09:51] <rww> jazz_: someone else registered "jazz" about seven years ago, and Nickserv disconnected you at their request.
[09:52] <ddecator> well there you go
[09:52] <jazz_> well screw. lol
[09:52] <jazz_> hey rww  lol
[09:52] <yofel> jazz_: it's to keep the nicks unique and the people recognizable ;)
[09:52] <rww> indeed. This way, people see me coming and have time to run.
[09:53] <ddecator> and why should we run? haha
[09:53] <jazz_> is the nicks case sensitive? could  i get away with Jazz?
[09:53] <rww> jazz_: they're not case sensitive, so no
[09:54] <kermiac> Anzenketh: I was hit by the nm trunk bug yesterday, just had to install nm from nm-ppa
[09:54] <kermiac> or as a workaround, setup a temp static ip
[09:54] <Anzenketh> LOL
[09:55] <kermiac> Anzenketh: seems to only affect dhcp
[09:55] <Anzenketh> kermiac: could you help out on bug 527313 then
[09:55] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 527313 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "after last update the network manager does not connect to wireless network using trunk build. (affects: 3)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/527313
[09:55] <kermiac> ok, I'll have a look
[09:56] <Anzenketh> Trying to get it ready for confirmed status.
[09:57] <ddecator> Anzenketh, it says it affects 3 people and 2 people are discussing it in the comments, so confirmed seems reasonable, maybe just not ready to be triaged
[09:57] <Anzenketh> Yes but in order to be confirmed it has to have enough info
[09:58] <Anzenketh> I am not sure it has that yet.
[10:01] <ddecator> true, if you can't confirm it yourself then it does need sufficient info
[10:02] <mco1> Hello. I just upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 and encounter serious problems with my samba primary domain controller. I posted most of the information here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8889517
[10:02] <mco1> While reading the samba changelogs, I found out that some problems could be resolved by upgrading samba to >3.4.0. Where can I find a package or can someone provide one?
[10:02] <Anzenketh> Even if you can confirm it youself you need suficent info
[10:02] <ddecator> Anzenketh, if you can confirm it yourself, then you can set it as confirmed, it just needs sufficient info to be triaged
[10:03] <Anzenketh> mco1: Support is proved in #ubuntu you might want to try there first
[10:05] <mco1> Anzenketh: I already tried it there, and am currently trying it in #ubuntu-server. But still, I'll try it there again.
[10:06] <Anzenketh> mco1: ubutu-server would problem be able to give you better support due to samba is a server package.
[10:06] <ddecator> mco1, you may also not get a response right away since this tends to be a slow time of day
[10:06] <mco1> Alright, thank you.
[10:07] <ddecator> np =)
[10:07] <Damascene> Xlib:  extension "RECORD" missing on display ":0.0"
[10:07] <Damascene> I get this message when I try to open goldendict
[10:08] <Damascene> from terminal
[10:08] <ddecator> Damascene, are you using dual monitors?
[10:08] <Damascene> no
[10:09] <ddecator> then that's not the same error from a bug i worked on a few days ago, haha
[10:09] <Damascene> Failed to initialize hotkeys monitoring mechanism.
[10:09] <Damascene> Make sure your XServer has RECORD extension turned on.
[10:09] <Damascene> that is the message when you press it's icon
[10:09] <Damascene> but it works
[10:09]  * Anzenketh searching ^
[10:10] <ddecator> not sure what the record ext is, but i'll let Anzenketh find it, haha
[10:11] <Anzenketh> Do not see a bug
[10:11] <Anzenketh> open that is
[10:12] <kermiac> Anzenketh: ok, I have commented on bug 527313 with a work-around & also the temp solution (adding the network-manager ppa instead of network-manager trunk build)
[10:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 527313 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "after last update the network manager does not connect to wireless network using trunk build. (affects: 4)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/527313
[10:12] <kermiac> asac ping^^
[10:12] <Anzenketh> Thanks kermiac
[10:12] <Damascene> can some one test it? it's on lucid
[10:13] <Anzenketh> Damascene: Go ahead and file a bug on the app
[10:13] <kermiac> not setting to confirmed as it says to contact the network-manager lp group regarding issues with the ppa & trunk builds
[10:13] <Anzenketh> kermiac: where does it say that?
[10:14] <Damascene> Anzenketh, I prefer to have some else testing it before I do
[10:14] <yofel> Damascene: anything special to do or just try to launch the app?
[10:14] <Anzenketh> Ok let me fire up my vm
[10:14] <kermiac> Anzenketh: https://edge.launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive/trunk -- just under the part regarding adding the ppa
[10:14] <Damascene> yofel, just try to launch
[10:15] <ddecator> kermiac, good catch...
[10:16] <kermiac> ddecator: I was looking into it yesterday for my own issues :)
[10:16] <ddecator> kermiac, fair enough, haha
[10:16] <ddecator> i think that's fairly standard with a lot of ppas..
[10:17]  * Anzenketh wonders if it would be a good idea to subscribe them to the bug.
[10:17] <kermiac> no, as_ac will see the ping in here & hopefully look at it
[10:17] <kermiac> it's probably a known bug
[10:18] <ddecator> they're auto-subscribed a lot of times anyway
[10:19] <kermiac> yeah, he's also auto subscribed to the bug :)
[10:20] <Damascene> any progress on checking the goldendict error message Anzenketh yofel
[10:21] <yofel> Damascene: I get a window with 'goldendict - initializing'
[10:21] <yofel> (I'm using kde if that matters)
[10:22] <Damascene> ok so I'll wait to find some one with the same issue before reporting
[10:24] <yofel> ok, a window with the same error appears
[10:25] <Zus> hello
[10:25] <Zus> ddecator nick is set.
[10:25] <kermiac> hello Zus
[10:26] <ddecator> Zus, alright, then use "/msg nickserv register <password>"
[10:26] <kermiac> oh, Zus = jazz, lol
[10:26] <Zus> kermiac,  hello, its jazz
[10:26] <Damascene> yofel, so you have the problem?
[10:26] <kermiac> yeah, just noticed
[10:27] <kermiac> ok, time to go - real life calls. night all :)
[10:27] <yofel> Damascene: http://imagebin.ca/view/fg6r1MN.html
[10:27] <ddecator> Zus, after you register the nick, you'll have to add the password to your xchat settings so it can automatically sign you in when you join the server
[10:33] <Damascene> is this in xorg or in goldendict
[10:35] <yofel> Damascene: not sure, I just asked in #ubuntu-x. Lets see if I get an answer
[10:35] <Damascene> ok
[10:38] <Anzenketh> yofel: On bug 527313 Can you set importance to High as if it is not fixed it will effect a lot of pepole. But not too severe yet due to it is in the trunk build.
[10:38] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 527313 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "after last update the network manager does not connect to wireless network using trunk build. (affects: 4)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/527313
[10:39] <Anzenketh> Or would you set that to medium
[10:41] <yofel> Damascene: from ubuntu-x: record extension is turned off cause it's broken ATM, should be fixed soon, see freedesktop 20500
[10:41] <ubot4> Freedesktop bug 20500 in Server/general "Record extension not sending event" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20500
[10:42]  * Zus turns to the channel and bows, with a wry smile
[10:42] <Zus> thanks for the helps!
[10:42] <ddecator> Zus, you're registered then?
[10:42] <Zus> aye, aye i should be
[10:42] <Damascene> yofel, so no need to report that?
[10:43] <ddecator> great! on that note, i'm off to bed. night all
[10:43] <yofel> gn8 ddecator
[10:44] <yofel> Damascene: don't think so as this is an X bug and record is turned off intentionally since the bug I mentioned
[10:46] <yofel> Damascene: from ubuntu-x I got that this should be fixed in Xorg 1.7.6, so I'm not sure if it'll be fixed in lucid but it will be fixed at some point
[10:48] <Damascene> if it's going to take so long I prefer to report it. before someone else has to go through checking again
[10:48] <yofel> Anzenketh: I'll rather leave that to the NM maintainers, as I'm not sure how they handle the ppa bug reports
[10:49] <Anzenketh> ok
[10:49] <yofel> Damascene: see the report, there is a launchpad report listed there
[10:50] <Damascene> I'll check it now
[10:50] <Damascene> yofel, the report is old but this problem is new
[10:51] <Damascene> I don't think I had this problem in karmic
[10:52] <Damascene> it's from Jaunty Alpha 2
[10:52] <yofel> Damascene: maybe goldendict didn't depend on it  then? But seeing bug 315456 record should be re-enabled soon
[10:53] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 315456 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Record extension not sending events (affects: 9) (dups: 1)" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/315456
[10:53] <yofel> maybe wait until then
[10:57] <m0ar> Might this be the place to report bugs in application packings?
[10:57] <Damascene> yeah the fix is recent
[10:58] <Anzenketh> m0ar: sortof
[10:59] <m0ar> Tried to install Shutter from the repos, which can't start if imagemagick isn't installed. Shouldn't imagemagick be installed as a dependency?
[10:59] <Anzenketh> What version of ubuntu are you using?
[10:59] <m0ar> Lucid
[10:59] <Zus> brb
[10:59] <Anzenketh> What is the error message?
[11:00] <m0ar> ERROR: imagemagick is missing --> aborting!
[11:00] <m0ar> Installed imagemagick via apt, now it works
[11:01] <m0ar> Amidoingitrite?
[11:02] <Anzenketh> When did you last run apt-get update
[11:02] <m0ar> A few days I'd guess
[11:02] <Anzenketh> on a alpha system you need to do that almost every 2 hours
[11:02] <Anzenketh> apt-get update apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade every 2 days
[11:03] <Anzenketh> or every day
[11:03] <m0ar> Now I know!   I'm kinda new with using trunk builds and alphas, but I'm learning
[11:03] <m0ar> By the way, is apt-get install dist-upgrade equialent with aptitude full-upgrade?
[11:03] <yofel> pretty much yes
[11:04] <m0ar> Just checked update-manager -d, like 300 mb's och updates. Thanks for telling
[11:05] <yofel> m0ar: if you're using lucid you should update at least once a day (and spend your  time in #ubuntu+1 to see if somethings broken)
[11:05] <m0ar> yofel: Noted!
[11:06] <yofel> m0ar: please install updates and then check if shutter still breaks without imagemagick
[11:06] <m0ar> Sure, np
[11:07] <yofel> right now shutter suggests imagemagick but if it breaks it should at least recommend it, or depend on it if it doesn't work at all without it
[11:07] <m0ar> Hm, update-manager -d want's to install 300MB, dist-upgrade only 250
[11:09] <m0ar> What might be missing in dist-upgrade?
[11:10] <Anzenketh> yofel: when triaging when do you unsubscribe yourself from the bug.
[11:19] <yofel> Anzenketh: ususally never, I like to follow bugs until they are fixed and if someone reports that the issue reappeared, I only unsubscribe myself if I'm not involved anymore in the bug or if someone else takes over
[11:20] <yofel> well, real life's calling me too, bbl
[11:21] <Anzenketh> LOL I have been doing things so much that gmail has now qualified my reponces from launchpad as SPAM.
[11:38] <m0ar> yofel: Now I've done that dist-upgrade
[11:42] <m0ar> Hm, apt-get recommends imagemagick, but doesn't install it even tho it can't run without it?
[11:42] <m0ar> Isn't that.. wrong?
[11:46] <m0ar> Still talking about the installation of Shutter
[11:55]  * Anzenketh looking ^
[11:57] <Anzenketh> Verified Go ahead and report the bug.
[11:59] <Anzenketh> To report type in the terminal apport-bug shutter
[12:04] <Zus> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oCHxB8d20s
[12:04] <Zus> this is funny thought id share with you guyses
[12:06] <Zus> anzenketh,  how can you switch back and forth with the nicks?
[12:06] <anzenketh> Zus: it is /nick
[12:07] <anzenketh> Have you registerd your name yet?
[12:07] <Zus> yep! im all sorted
[12:08]  * Zus learned this today as well
[12:11] <Zus> later all, i shall return later.
[12:15] <m0ar> anzenketh: I'm on it :)
[12:23] <m0ar> Anzenketh: Is this acceptable? Never reported a bug before.
[12:23] <m0ar> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/183439/
[12:23] <m0ar> It's from the webform ofc
[12:24] <m0ar> Eg. do I need to write that my system is fully updated with the repos, or do they take that for given?
[12:24] <Anzenketh> m0ar: That is perfect.
[12:24] <m0ar> Anzenketh: Wonderful
[12:25] <Anzenketh> m0ar: The fact that you reported the version number is enough.
[12:25] <m0ar> Anzenketh: Good :)
[12:25] <Anzenketh> Now if only all the bugs we get could be like that.
[12:25] <m0ar> Baha
[12:26] <m0ar> How do they usually look?
[12:26] <Anzenketh> Hurried.
[12:26] <m0ar> Any examples? :)
[12:27] <Anzenketh> Plenty just look at just about any bug in launchpad
[12:28] <Anzenketh> m0ar:  you might want to think about joining the bugsquad
[12:28] <m0ar> Anzenketh: What and how
[12:28] <Anzenketh> Detials are https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad
[12:28] <Anzenketh> Basicly their job is to get the bug reports to look like that.
[12:29] <Anzenketh> Verify bugs and move them on their way.
[12:29] <m0ar> verify bugs etc?
[12:29] <Anzenketh> Ya verify bugs,Find duplicate,Set status, Clean up the bug discription and title.
[12:30] <m0ar> Sounds like a pretty decent timekiller
[12:30] <m0ar> I'll jump it
[12:30] <m0ar> I'm no genious in linux yet tho
[12:30] <Anzenketh> The good thing is you can stick to what you are good at.
[12:30] <m0ar> :)
[12:31] <Anzenketh> I am no linux genius but there are pepole to help.
[12:31] <Anzenketh> And the information is out there as long as you read it
[12:31] <m0ar> Yeah
[12:31] <Anzenketh> You will learn a ton.
[12:31] <m0ar> I figured :)
[12:32] <m0ar> And that's always good
[12:32] <Anzenketh> If you are ever thinking about becoming a developer one day bugsquad is a great place to start
[12:35] <kermiac> hey cyphermox, you're one of the network-manager team, right?
[12:36] <cyphermox> yes
[12:36] <kermiac> bug 527313 is regarding the nm trunk ppa
[12:36] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 527313 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "after last update the network manager does not connect to wireless network using trunk build. (affects: 4)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/527313
[12:36] <kermiac> is it a known issue - re dhcp not working due to update
[12:36] <cyphermox> karmiac, yeah, i recall that one :)
[12:37] <kermiac> how do you guys like those bugs handled? just set them to triaged once enough info is there?
[12:37] <kermiac> or anything special you want/ need?
[12:39] <cyphermox> no, triaged/low should be fine I think
[12:39] <kermiac> ok, ty cyphermox :)
[12:39] <cyphermox> I'm thinking maybe it would be worth have a separate project for the NetworkManager ppa issues
[12:40] <m0ar> ^ what he said
[12:40] <cyphermox> m0ar, ?
[12:41] <m0ar> I think it would be good
[12:41] <cyphermox> ah :)
[12:41] <kermiac> yeah, can't change the task to nm-trunk-ppa... if more people are starting to use it I believe it would be a good idea
[12:41] <persia> It's definitely worth having a separate project for any PPA with a significant number of users, so long as launchpad doesn't permit one to file bugs against PPAs.
[12:42] <persia> The longstanding loose policy has been that bugs in PPAs are Invalid, although that gets murky for teams that use PPAs for staging into Ubuntu.
[12:42]  * kermiac agrees
[12:42] <persia> Encouraging those teams to set up projects helps them see bugs from their testers specifically, and helps us better reject bugs from arbitrary PPAs.
[12:42] <kermiac> hi persia :)
[12:42] <persia> hi
[12:43] <m0ar> Anzenketh: What's the meaning of an Upstream bug?
[12:43] <cyphermox> there's also the issue of it being *daily* builds, so there's always a chance that it fails... I'm going to see if I get the time this morning to get a stable version in the *archive* ppa, and add stuff to the whiteboard of trunk to say it's potentially unstable :)
[12:43] <Anzenketh> Most of the software you are using is not written by ubuntu.
[12:43] <persia> My recommendation would be to send a not to contact the team using such a staging PPA.  Confirm it *is* a staging PPA, rather than a postrelease bugfix PPA, and if it is, get them to set up a project.
[12:43] <persia> If it's not a staging PPA, we don't care about it.
[12:44] <cyphermox> persia, thanks for the tips. I'll discuss my ideas with asac, to see what he thinks too.
[12:45] <persia> I've not been able to find him for the past few hours (and I've been looking), so it may be a bit before you get an answer :)
[12:46] <cyphermox> won't be the first time I bug him
[12:46] <persia> heh :)
[12:46] <cyphermox> for something else NM-related?
[12:47] <Anzenketh> m0ar: A lot of software you use is not created by ubuntu. Upstream is the tearm used for those projects. Like a sammon swims upstream.
[12:47] <m0ar> Anzenketh: I fiured, thanks
[12:52] <m0ar> Should it really take more than a few minutes to genereate a PGP key?
[12:55] <vish> cyphermox: hi.. i'm having a bug in nm [0.8 lucid] , where wireless[WEP protected] does not connect automatically , in the sense , i can see the wireless icon and the connected bars , but there is no actual connection , i have firefox / thunderbird / liferea to auto-launch at session start and all of them complain/throw errors that there is no connection , if i do a debugging according to > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingNetworkManager , the info is
[12:55] <vish>  sufficient or is there anything else i need to check for this bug?
[12:56] <vish> btw , this has been a recent problem in lucid and didnt have it earlier
[12:59] <cyphermox> vish, yeah, the info from the debugging wiki page should be sufficient. using ubuntu-bug is good too. you should probably open a bug about this
[12:59] <vish> sure..
[12:59] <vish> ty
[13:15]  * vish facepalm ;s
[13:17] <vish> cyphermox: false alarm  , not a nm bug :)   it turns out transmission was hogging the bandwidth fully and not allowing anything else to even sneak a byte :s
[13:17] <vish> removing transmission from auto-launch solves the problem ;)
[13:19] <cyphermox> wow, fun ;)
[13:19] <vish> kklimonda: grrr... ;p
[13:19] <kklimonda> vish: what? don't grown at me without reason :P
[13:20] <vish> kklimonda:  anything transmission its you ;D
[13:20] <kklimonda> vish: what have you done this time? :P
[13:20] <persia> vish: How did you measure that?  I had a situation in lucid some time ago where transmission blocked everything else while also not hitting decent speeds.  I find that the ubuntu desktop livecd torrent tends to be a good one for testing.
[13:21] <kklimonda> vish: damn, how.. slow is your internet connection? :D
[13:21] <vish> kklimonda: heh , what i thought was a nm bug for a week , turned out to be a transmission super speed feature ;)
[13:21] <vish> kklimonda: well , 256 ;)  anything higher costs a lot :)
[13:22] <vish> 256kbps*
[13:25] <kklimonda> right
[13:26] <vish> persia: Bug #460733 , transmission is bad at speed limiting ... also , as soon as my session is launched i notice the sysmonitor recording network usage , and i notice transmission launches fast and transmitting  , but all other apps are not having any connection
[13:26] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 460733 in transmission (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Transmission bit-torrent doesn't honor speed limitation preferences (affects: 5)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/460733
[13:31] <persia> vish: But in unlimited mode, are you actually saturating your uplink?  The behaviour I saw was the computer running transmission having no access, and nothing else on the same uplink even noticing anything at all.
[13:33] <vish> persia: yup , unlimited mode the problem is even worse.. i was able to do nothing else on my system , even irc would start lagging horribly... hence i _try_ to set and force limits , but that doesnt work well either :(
[13:35] <m0ar> Anzenketh: Just got a mail about Ubiquity. What is that? :)
[13:35] <vish> heh .. earlier[when i was downloading a lot] i would have liked these speeds ;)
[13:36] <m0ar> Or rather, why si it so darn buggy?
[13:36] <Anzenketh> Ubiquity is the installer and it is not buggy.
[13:36] <m0ar> Anzenketh: Houses over 1000 bugs?
[13:36] <Anzenketh> Just needs some TLC
[13:36] <Anzenketh> A lot of those are from alpha testers.
[13:36] <m0ar> Which is? *blushes*
[13:36] <Anzenketh> Tender love and care.
[13:37] <m0ar> Rofl
[13:40] <persia> vish: Yeah.  I think it's breaking the system, not overloading the uplink, but that takes multiple machines on the same uplink to verify, and it's painful to test.
[13:45] <nigelb> I think I see a bug in launchpad gm scripts
[13:45] <nigelb> the highlight function seems to sometimes gobble up the comments until the first highlighted word
[16:33] <kklimonda> nigelb: ping - why did you close bug 42686? it doesn't look fixed to me :)
[16:33] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 42686 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "audioscrobbler password saved as plaintext in gconf (affects: 3)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42686
[16:33] <nigelb> kklimonda: checking
[16:34] <nigelb> kklimonda: I believe upstream said they have modified to use gnome keyring
[16:35] <kklimonda> nigelb: upstream bug is still "it would be great to use gnome keyring" and it still stores password in gconf :/
[16:35] <nigelb> kklimonda: ugh, apologies
[16:35] <nigelb> kklimonda: I'll correct it
[16:35] <kklimonda> thanks
[16:35] <nigelb> kklimonda: thanks for letting me know
[16:36] <nigelb> kklimonda: I should probably see if I can fix that one ;)
[16:37] <kklimonda> nigelb: I've written half of the patch and got stuck on some weird problem
[16:37] <nigelb> kklimonda: oh
[16:37] <nigelb> kklimonda: ask in #rhythmbox on gimpnet?
[16:39] <kklimonda> nigelb: yeah - I just did
[16:41] <vish> kklimonda: hei , i'm trying to get a gdb , but when i do crtl+c in step 5 [ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace#Already%20running%20programs ]  the program [gnome-keyring-daemon] does not end and allow me to get the backtrace.. :(  any ideas ?
[16:42] <vish> i'v tried kill -11 but upstream wants a more complete gdb :s
[16:42] <kklimonda> hmm
[16:43] <kklimonda> have you run it in the foreground?
[16:43] <vish> i didnt understand^ .. as in without gdb?
[16:43] <kklimonda> no
[16:44] <kklimonda> do gdb gnome-keyring-daemon
[16:44] <kklimonda> set args -f
[16:44] <kklimonda> run
[16:44]  * vish tries
[16:44] <kklimonda> and it should run in the foreground so you can pass it ^C
[16:44] <vish> kklimonda: can i also attach? since this would be already running?
[16:45] <kklimonda> no - if you attach it's going to stop immediately and when you do continue you won't be able to ^C it
[16:46] <vish> kklimonda: so how do i do this? since gnome-keyring-daemon has a lot of variables , i remove it from the startup items?
[16:47] <vish> no need for the variables? it has 3 startup items :/     --start --components=ssh  and 2 other
[16:47] <kklimonda> vish: it's a pain in the ass ;)
[16:48] <vish> you bet it is ;)  mine is really sore since the latest update ;p
[16:48] <kklimonda> vish: you should set up all arguments you want to pass to the gnome-keyring-daemon by using set args in gdb
[16:49] <vish> ah , righto..
[16:51] <vish> the three are >   gnome-keyring-daemon --start --components=ssh , gnome-keyring-daemon --start --components=secrets  , gnome-keyring-daemon --start --components=pkcs11
[16:51] <vish> kklimonda: so it is (gdb)  run components=pkcs11 components=secrets components=ssh
[16:51] <kklimonda> whoa :D
[16:51] <vish> ?
[16:51] <kklimonda> no
[16:51] <vish> :(
[16:51] <kklimonda> set args --components=pkcs11
[16:52] <kklimonda> there are three different processes running?
[16:52] <kklimonda> each one with different component?
[16:52] <vish> heh , yeah i meant args :/
[16:52] <vish> kklimonda: there is a single process but three startup items
[16:53] <kklimonda> vish: no idea then - you should ask chrisccoulson
[16:53]  * kklimonda whistles
[16:53] <vish> ;p
[16:55] <chrisccoulson> whats the issue? ;)
[16:55] <vish> chrisccoulson: ? so it is ?   set args --components=ssh --components=secrets --components=pkcs11
[16:55] <vish> chrisccoulson: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=610678
[16:55] <ubot4> Gnome bug 610678 in keyring files "starts eating cpu when trying to unlock screen" [Critical,Resolved: incomplete]
[16:56] <vish>  i'm trying to get a gdb , but when i do crtl+c in step 5 [ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace#Already%20running%20programs ]  the program [gnome-keyring-daemon] does not end and allow me to retrieve the backtrace.. :(
[16:57] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i'm not sure why that is
[16:57] <chrisccoulson> i can try in a minute, but i need to do some other things first ;)
[16:57] <vish> sure , np.. :)
[16:59] <kklimonda> great, this is the last time I'm running a development release on my main machine
[16:59] <kklimonda> from now on only virtualbox
[16:59] <vish> +1
[16:59]  * kklimonda just lost his bugreport :/
[16:59] <charlie-tca> kklimonda: I tried that in karmic, it about killed me
[16:59] <kklimonda> charlie-tca: it wasn't that bad in Karmic
[17:00] <kklimonda> but now it's ridiculous
[17:00] <charlie-tca> Now I run two systems, one development and one production
[17:00] <charlie-tca> You didn't run xubuntu?
[17:00] <vish> apart from this keyring bug , Lucid has been better than karmic for me ;)
[17:00] <kklimonda> no - I'm Ubuntu only guy ;)
[17:00] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I was down a week at a time
[17:00] <kklimonda> vish: you have a moment to test something?
[17:01] <vish> sure..
[17:01] <chrisccoulson> lucid is a pain for me at the moment. i get sata errors every couple of hours or so which ends up in file system corruption daily
[17:01] <charlie-tca> I have a lucid machine running, too
[17:01] <kklimonda> http://pastebin.com/Mzc72KWw - can you build it, lock your keyring and then run program and paste somewhere what is printed on console?
[17:01] <kklimonda> vish: it's going to ask you to unlock your keyring
[17:02] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: your laptop is cursed ;)
[17:02] <vish> kklimonda: oh , no.. not touching another keyring issue :) sry
[17:02] <kklimonda> vish: it's simple
[17:02] <kklimonda> and I'd like to know if it's something that is broken on my system or in the library itself.
[17:02] <kklimonda> I should probably have another lucid in vm
[17:03] <kklimonda> oh well, it's not like I use all this free space for anything
[17:03] <vish> kklimonda: i dual boot lucid and karmic ;)  [usually ubuntu and Ubuntu+1]
[17:04] <kklimonda> I hate dual boot because I'm never on the right system when I need it ;)
[17:04] <vish> heh , make it quadruple boot [+ XP + win7]
[17:05] <kklimonda> thank you but no :P
[17:05] <vish> nah , i was mentioning my setup :)
[17:07] <acicula> or do anosinaos, boot ubuntu(win7(winxp)) ?
[17:07] <acicula> dunno if you can boot winxp inside a virtualized win7
[17:22]  * kklimonda worders how is "git checkout file" intuitive way of reverting changes made to file..
[17:25]  * vish waits for chrisccoulson :)
[19:07] <anish> bdmurray: do i talk to you about an expiring bugsquad membership ?
[19:57] <nigelb> anish: mail him :)
[20:04] <BUGabundo> boas meninos
[20:06] <malev> boas meninos? es inglés por favor
[20:08] <BUGabundo> don't mind
[20:08] <BUGabundo> just saying Hi
[20:08] <malev> BUGabundo, I knos, just fooling around
[20:09] <Darkpsy> hi malev.  thanks for your welcome.
[20:09] <malev> Darkpsy, hi! jeni or ed?
[20:10] <eveah-bot> Jen
[20:10] <malev> eveah-bot, then... hi Jen! :D
[20:16] <malev> so, eveah-bot how are you taking bugs triagging?
[22:51] <bsmith093> a quick question regarding karmic to lucid upgrade has anyone fisured out the sound problems yet
[23:09] <Anzenketh> So many packages so many instructions.
[23:34] <BUGabundo> OT : do you guys agree with this diff?
[23:34]  * BUGabundo wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkShuttleworth?action=diff&rev1=38&rev2=39
[23:44] <greg-g> BUGabundo: why change it? that piece of writing was obviously written at a specific time in the past, and people can understand that. "at the time of writing" indicates that. So no, glad you reverted it.
[23:45] <BUGabundo> I know
[23:45] <BUGabundo> thanks for approving
[23:46]  * Anzenketh wonders why users-admin states shortname for username.
[23:47] <Anzenketh> Ugh they changed it in lucid.
[23:47] <Anzenketh> I like the new layout but not the wording.
[23:51]  * Anzenketh tries to find if it has been braught up already


[04:16] <vibhav> good morning
[06:14] <bkerensa> mmm
[06:36] <dholbach> good morning
[06:41] <bkerensa> \o/ Happy 15th Birthday Mozilla!
[06:48] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, there's going to be a hangout before the one about QA, I'll update the page title
[06:48] <dholbach> bkerensa, did the soc application still go in?
[06:48] <bkerensa> dholbach: yes
[06:48] <dholbach> great
[11:18] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, we've got to find a clever way to tell people on the page "we're live now", "we'll be live in 25 minutes - you're watching an old video" - best if we can do it in all the languages of the world
[11:18] <dholbach> nobody understands what UTC is :)
[11:18] <dholbach> but anyway, I'll take the dog for a walk - bbl
[11:19] <popey> dholbach: steal the code in the top right from http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/
[11:19] <popey> which changes from a countdown timer to a "Live now" link when we go live, and it pulls data from a google calendar
[11:21] <popey> might also be prudent to make any times a link to timeanddate
[11:57] <JoseeAntonioR> popey: times are linked to a timeanddate.com page
[11:57] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: yes, that needs to be done, I'll think about it today, maybe popey's code can work
[12:00] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: and calendar updated, will tweet at twitter.com/ubuntuonair 15mins before
[12:00]  * JoseeAntonioR runs to school
[12:15] <cjohnston> mhall119: https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/summit/attendee-from-launchpad/+merge/156531 please
[12:34] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, awesome!
[15:01] <dholbach> hey jono_ :)
[15:01] <jono_> dholbach, hey
[15:01] <dholbach> balloons, you might have to update ubuntuonair.com - I had a session before yours
[15:01] <jono_> one sec and will be there
[15:01] <dholbach> sure sure
[15:02] <dholbach> balloons, but I changed the channel to -quality already
[15:24] <balloons> dholbach, :-)
[15:30] <jono_> mhall119, good for our call?
[15:32] <jcastro> mhall119: hey keeping that prevalidation ppa won't hurt me right? I can just keep moving on and follow the work?
[15:32] <mhall119> jono_: already there
[15:32] <mhall119> jcastro: as far as I know, didrocks might be a better one to ask about the future of that PPA though
[15:33] <jcastro> nod
[15:33] <jono_> mhall119, ok, on my way
[15:41] <jcastro> jono_: I have a conflict on mondays at that time
[15:59] <jcastro> mhall119: If you install the ubuntu-unity-experimental-prevalidation package and keep the PPA you can follow along
[15:59] <jcastro> acording to didrocks. jono_ ^^^
[15:59] <jcastro> it'll stay on raring and not conflict with distro
[15:59] <jono_> jcastro, can you do an hour earlier?
[15:59] <jono_> for that weekly call
[16:00] <jcastro> that's the Juju UI call
[16:00] <jono_> I uninstalled that PPA
[16:00] <jcastro> My monday mornings are pretty much booked
[16:00] <jono_> jcastro, well, something needs to be moved
[16:00] <jcastro> and after that time biweekly is our mark call
[16:00] <jono_> and I want our team call to be on Mondays
[16:00] <jono_> jcastro, right
[16:00] <jcastro> oh is this moving the wednesday calls?
[16:00] <jono_> jcastro, lets discuss later, I have a call now
[16:00] <jcastro> ok
[16:01] <jono_> jcastro, no, this is in addition, will explain later
[16:01] <jcastro> ok
[16:25] <elfy> balloons: quick question ... on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs do you know if the count of bugs on the right is 'only' bugs from currently supported releases, or is it open bugs that are still open even if release is no longer supported?
[16:25] <elfy> or anyone else who can answer :)
[16:26] <elfy> and hello everyone to - hope you had a good weekend
[16:32] <balloons> elfy, I believe it's only the open actve bugs
[16:33] <balloons> remember things can expire.. and I'm not sure what they do with bugs that are open after EOL for releases
[16:33] <balloons> and hello elfy !
[16:34] <elfy> ok thanks - just trying to get information for someone, so I thought I'd ask my fave buggy sort of person :p
[16:35] <czajkowski> most bugs expire if it's set to expire on a project
[16:36] <elfy> k - thanks czajkowski
[16:36] <czajkowski> Ubuntu ones and LP ones dor for exxample, but some people who have their projects on there don't have expiring bugs
[16:37] <elfy> so it it's marked it would expire, but if it's not then it'll sit there waiting for a fix or the end of the universe as we know it
[16:38] <elfy> makes sense - thanks both :)
[16:39] <elfy> just trying to talk to someone who's commented on the number of bugs showing increasing
[16:39] <elfy> I'm not sure that 156,000 open bugs would be a true reflection
[16:50] <balloons> elfy, ahh.. yes, bugs is a dubious stat as well.. not sure what they might be trying to draw from that
[16:51] <elfy> panic I assumed - was trying to divert them a bit
[17:04] <jcastro> jono_: ok, your original time works for me now, I just got a proposal mail to move the juju cross team off of monday, so I should be set.
[17:04] <dholbach> all right my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow
[17:06] <jono_> jcastro, cool
[17:06] <jono_> thanks!