[12:00] <matt_> someone must have done this before
[12:00] <matt_> please
[12:00] <gotonpo> but wild cherry pepsi kicks cherry coke's ass
[12:00] <nalioth> matt_: come back later
[12:00] <jasoncohen> matt_, you're having problems with a mouse driver?
[12:00] <nalioth> matt_: you've been asking that for hours now
[12:01] <nalioth> matt_: someone will be in here who can help you
[12:01] <matt_> I'm stuck
[12:01] <unome> matt_ I got MX 700 mouse working the same way I told you
[12:01] <matt_> this command is giving me problems
[12:01] <unome> http://floam.sh.nu/index.xhtml?page=guides&section=mx1000
[12:01] <scizho> search the web matt_
[12:01] <matt_> gcc evtest.c -o evtest|
[12:01] <remyforbes777> socomm: that didnt work
[12:02] <matt_> gcc evtest.c -o evtest
[12:02] <matt_> it doesn;t compile
[12:02] <Saithr> Hey, quick question, first time installer of kubuntu, is this the place to ask questions or is there a seperatae channel for kubuntu?
[12:03] <mrzero> #kubuntu
[12:03] <Saithr> thanks
[12:03] <socomm> remyforbes777: What didn't work?
[12:03] <matt_> errors when I run gcc evtest.c -o evtest can u help unome
[12:03] <remyforbes777> im sorry
[12:04] <remyforbes777> for some reason my nickname was guys
[12:04] <unome> matt_ I wish, sorry
[12:04] <nalioth> Saithr: you can ask here or #kubuntu
[12:04] <remyforbes777> you told me to do make modules && and then make modules_install
[12:04] <remyforbes777> i still get that error
[12:04] <concept10> matt_, what is your mouse model?
[12:04] <socomm> Hmmmm.
[12:05] <topyli> matt_: without seeing evtest.c, no-one can tell why it's not correct
[12:05] <matt_> mx 1000 laser
[12:05] <matt_> logitech
[12:05] <socomm> remyforbes777: Join #linux, they'll be able to help you there.
[12:05] <remyforbes777> ok
[12:05] <ChurcH> whats the diffrent type of media players out there? besides beep and xmms
[12:05] <mirak> how to change the temporary folder that nautilus uses to burn dvd's ?
[12:06] <ChurcH> there was a really snazzy one that could play almost anything you through at it
[12:06] <matt_> evtest.c:96: error: `KEY_ZENKAKUHANKAKU' undeclared here (not in a function)
[12:06] <matt_> evtest.c:96: error: nonconstant array index in initializer
[12:06] <unome> ChurcH: amarok is what i use
[12:06] <stisev> Hi all
[12:06] <cavediver> Hi, i have a problem with thunderbird. It seems the enigmail module fail to start... anyone have that problem ?
[12:06] <stisev> I just switched to KDE
[12:06] <stisev> ****************WOW**************
[12:06] <stisev> What a difference
[12:06] <ChurcH> is that the one that looks like winsucks media player
[12:06] <socomm> KDE == Bloat.
[12:06] <topyli> stisev: it is different yes
[12:06] <stisev> Gnome is nice (seems less bloated) but KDE has some really nice stuff
[12:06] <unome> stisev: you've seen the light? :)
[12:06] <stisev> unome: Yep!
[12:06] <stisev> KDE also came with konversation
[12:07] <stisev> which I'm really, REALLY liing
[12:07] <stisev> liking
[12:07] <stisev> XChat is nice and all but konversation is nicer imo :)
[12:07] <unome> Konvie is lil bugy tho ;(
[12:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it was a media player and i can't remeber what it was
[12:07] <stisev> Really?
[12:07] <unome> yes atleast for me
[12:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but it was kinda round the main control
[12:07] <virgule> how to disable some modules? ie: ieee1394?
[12:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> in the center
[12:07] <nalioth> stisev: irssi
[12:08] <concept10> virgule, rmmod
[12:08] <unome> irssi is DA bomb :)
[12:08] <virgule> thx, does it disable permanently?
[12:08] <topyli> ChurcH_of_FoamY: are you talking about audio player or all-round media players?
[12:08] <stisev> What;s weird is there's no "open terminal" in the context menu of KDE
[12:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> all round
[12:08] <concept10> virgule, I think you can comment it out in /etc/modules
[12:08] <nalioth> stisev: its under 'actions'
[12:09] <topyli> ChurcH_of_FoamY: mplayer, xine, vlc
[12:09] <unome> stisev: it's under utilities
[12:09] <socomm> My god, Konversation is a great piece of poop.
[12:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> mplayer i think thats it and vlc isen't that bad either
[12:09] <nalioth> unome: he's talking context menu
[12:09] <unome> oh
[12:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i think mplayer comes really close to wm9
[12:10] <topyli> ChurcH_of_FoamY: crappy playlist though
[12:10] <socomm> mplayer is alot better than wm9 ....
[12:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea
[12:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hey i used windows most of my life
[12:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so i have to compare stuff to that
[12:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> even though there is no comarason for most of the things
[12:11] <scizho> windows is the best
[12:11] <stisev> irssi? hehe
[12:11] <scizho> for gaming
[12:11] <unome> ChurcH_of_FoamY: you are forgiven for your sins (using windoze)
[12:11] <scizho> :P
[12:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[12:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^ yay
[12:11] <topyli> ChurcH_of_FoamY: i've let go of the dream of an do-all-end-all media player
[12:11] <topyli> ChurcH_of_FoamY: so i've separated audio and video stuff
[12:11] <stisev> irsii is OK for a CLI IRC client
[12:11] <concept10> matt_, this may help you: http://floam.sh.nu/index.xhtml?page=guides&section=mx1000
[12:11] <stisev> socomm: What??? Why do you say that?
[12:12] <stisev> (Konversation)
[12:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea but i use file assoiciations to take care of that
[12:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i use multiple players for diffrent things
[12:12] <stisev> I like Konsole heh
[12:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> some are better than others at a specific type of media
[12:12] <Dr_Melectaus> Hi there
[12:12] <nalioth> stisev: you'll like gnome-terminal better (and eterm is better than both)
[12:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so i make the associations as needed
[12:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i love ubuntu's console
[12:13] <stisev> nalioth: I've tried gnome-terminal
[12:13] <topyli> ChurcH_of_FoamY: with video, you don't need much of a playlist. with audio, it's the n:o 1 factor
[12:13] <nalioth> stisev: try eterm
[12:13] <stisev> It's nice I guess but KDE's looks really nice
[12:13] <stisev> eterm?
[12:13] <dennis_> anyone has any ideas on this: Gaim has sound in Gnome, but not in KDE?
[12:13] <stisev> nalioth is that in KDE too?
[12:13] <dennis_> on my laptop
[12:13] <unome> eterm, aterm xterm ...
[12:13] <stisev> ok
[12:13] <stisev> unome: KDE has xterm
[12:13] <scizho> doesnt kde use kopete?
[12:14] <nalioth> stisev: you'll need to use apt or synaptic to get it
[12:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea
[12:14] <stisev> what's the difference in Xterm
[12:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> my suggestion to you all
[12:14] <stisev> nalioth: I used synaptic to install KDE
[12:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> from a linux noobs point of view
[12:14] <stisev> nalioth: It looks like I have xterm
[12:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> never install kubuntu alone
[12:14] <stisev> nalioth: is that OK?
[12:14] <stisev> (the same thing_)
[12:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it's way to difficult to use
[12:14] <virgule> is this really mendatory to have like 3 gpg-agents and 3 dbus-daemon- running?
[12:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so install ubuntu first than apt-get kubuntu
[12:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and you'll have extreem ease of use
[12:14] <stisev> Is there any way to bind the START MENU BUTTON on my laptop to KDE's start menu-type thing
[12:15] <Fazer> I am soo bored that I ate all my cookies
[12:15] <^thehatsrule^> windows button? should do that auto
[12:15] <cavediver> Noone have problems installing enigmail for thunderbird 1.0.2 ?
[12:15] <concept10> cavediver, nope, whats the problem?
[12:16] <nalioth> stisev: there are plenty of terminal emulators
[12:16] <unome> stisev: try Kcontrol > Regional & Accessibilities > Keyboard Shortcuts
[12:16] <nalioth> stisev: i personally think Konsole blows
[12:16] <conffrey> hi everybody
[12:16] <cavediver> concept10:  Warning: Enigmime module not available
[12:16] <cavediver> ERROR: Failed to access Enigmime service!
[12:16] <nalioth> stisev: gnome-terminal is satisfying
[12:16] <cavediver> Enigmime Service not available
[12:16] <stisev> nalioth: why though?
[12:16] <nalioth> stisev: but eterm roX0rs
[12:16] <stisev> nalioth: it all seems the same tko me.
[12:16] <stisev> nalioth: I like the tabs in Konsole
[12:16] <virgule> xterminal is my personal fav (part of XFce4 desktop)
[12:16] <concept10> cavediver, how did you install it?
[12:16] <stisev> nalioth: instead of having tens of terminal windows open, I have one with tabs
[12:16] <mig`> o
[12:17] <nalioth> stisev: then use Konsole, and leave the tweaks and mods to us folks who can't stay away from the .rc files
[12:17] <airmikey> yo guys  hows breezy
[12:17] <cavediver> concept10: using the xpi.
[12:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> broken still
[12:17] <cavediver> airmikey: it's a mess.
[12:17] <nalioth> stisev: two words "gnu screen"
[12:17] <airmikey> any 1 here running it in 64 bit mode
[12:17] <cavediver> went back to hoary
[12:17] <airmikey> really
[12:17] <stisev> nalioth: GNU screen?
[12:17] <cavediver> airmikey: i did.. went back to hoary i386 from breezy AMD64
[12:17] <stisev> nalioth: You have to understand that I'm still somewhat new to Linux :p
[12:17] <nalioth> stisev: i can have hundreds of terminal sessions going in ONE gnome-term
[12:18] <stisev> Ah cool
[12:18] <stisev> nalioth: cool
[12:18] <stisev> nalioth: Do you know how to change from 24 hour time to 12 hour time in GDE
[12:18] <concept10> cavediver, hmm, i dont know, maybe try reinstall
[12:18] <mig`> i'm about to install ubuntu from the dvd, however in order for it to work, i am going to have to make sure the initrd file loads usb2.0 drivers (so that the kernel can find the hdd where i'm going to install ubuntu to), is there a way to do this from the installer? or do i have to install ubuntu, then boot into the livecd and recompile the initrd file?
[12:18] <topyli> nalioth: i didn't ever realize "gnu screen" was two words
[12:18] <nalioth> stisev: completely new and learning exponentially, i'd say
[12:18] <stisev> nalioth: ??
[12:18] <mig`> please someone help me, its the only thing keeping me from using ubuntu at the moment, and i want to use ubuntu
[12:19] <nalioth> stisev: you've just learned of many different terminal emulators
[12:19] <mig`> i dont know how to make an initrd file, or (better yet) can i specify built in usb 2.0 support into the kernel?
[12:19] <nalioth> stisev: not to mention 'gnu screen'
[12:19] <mig`> (from the installer)
[12:19] <stisev> nalioth: Do you know how to change form 24 hour time -> 12 hour itime in KDE
[12:19] <zenlunatic> how will one upgrade to breezy from hoary when breezy is made available for final release?
[12:19] <nalioth> topyli: how many words did you think it was?
[12:19] <stisev> nalioth: also, do you know how to change the one click open behavior to two clicks (to open a file)
[12:19] <topyli> nalioth: one of course :)
[12:19] <cavediver> concept10: it's funny. I'm installing 0.92 and that's what it sais after installing. But after a restart it sais 0.90
[12:20] <nalioth> stisev: in the clock settings (or international) i'm not sure, i dont use KDE all that much
[12:20] <nalioth> stisev: the oneclicktwoclick stuff is in konqerors prefs, i believe
[12:20] <Afroman> hej
[12:21] <nalioth> stisev: but if anyone is in there, #kubuntu would be better to ask
[12:21] <concept10> mig`, you are trying to install to usb external drive?
[12:21] <jasoncohen> stisev, that can be changed in kcontrol
[12:21] <mig`> concept10: correct
[12:21] <concept10> mig`, why not internal and forget the hassle?
[12:21] <mig`> i've completed 1st stage of install before, however i can't boot into the system after the reboot
[12:21] <nalioth> zenlunatic: by simply changing 'hoary' to 'breezy' in your sources.list (people dont do this now, or you'll be sorry)
[12:21] <mig`> concept10: internal is windows (which i use for work), plus i'd like to walk with my ubuntu installation
[12:21] <Afroman> I have a question guys, how does one sees what hardware is in the computer, and if their drivers work fine
[12:22] <stisev> nalioth: what exactly IS #kubuntu?
[12:22] <jasoncohen> stisev, open kcontrol, go to peripherals and then mouse- choose double click rather than the default single click
[12:22] <stisev> nalioth: KDE ubuntu?
[12:22] <nalioth> stisev: the chat room concerning kubuntu
[12:22] <nalioth> stisev: chat rooms names all start with #
[12:22] <concept10> mig`, bios must support booting from USB, check the wiki, someone wrote a page up, you just have to look around
[12:22] <virgule> ANYTHING working with breezy
[12:22] <jasoncohen> stisev, you can install KDE on ubuntu. apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:22] <virgule> ?
[12:22] <Afroman> I have a question guys, how does one sees what hardware is in the computer, and if their drivers work fine
[12:22] <mig`> concept10: the problem is that after 'linux is uncompressed' i can't get past pivot_root
[12:23] <mig`> my guess is that it can't find the block device (because the usb driver hasn't been installed and thus it cant detect it)
[12:23] <jasoncohen> stisev, kubuntu allows users to install KDE by default w/o having to install it themselves
[12:23] <mig`> concept10: my bios does all of this
[12:23] <jasoncohen> stisev, basically, anything in debian is also in ubuntu
[12:23] <Xira> oh my god.
[12:23] <mig`> i install grub to the usb hdd, and in bios i make it primary disk, so i just boot into ubuntu (if its plugged in)
[12:23] <Afroman> I have a question guys, how does one sees what hardware is in the computer, and if their drivers work fine
[12:24] <Xira> Ubuntu even detected my wireless card that isn't supported by ndiswrapper
[12:24] <Xira> i heart ubuntu
[12:24] <Xira> ^_^
[12:24] <inemo> does anyone know if WINE running under ubuntu will run MSN 7?
[12:24] <mig`> heh, my wireless card was detected too :p
[12:24] <mig`> ok, i'm checking out the wiki
[12:24] <thenuke> inemo: do not use wine for such task X-I
[12:24] <unome> inemo: wine runs everything for me under Ubuntu
[12:24] <thenuke> inemo: try AMSN
[12:25] <mig`> concept10: you have any idea where i should look in the wiki?
[12:25] <mig`> any keywords to search for maybe?
[12:25] <Afroman> how does one see if hardwares in the computer and if the computer has detected them???
[12:25] <inemo> thenuke: used it, prefer adium under OS X, but want to run MSN 7 on ubuntu as VPC is too slow on my old iMac
[12:25] <topyli> inemo: isn't gaim installed by default? it will handle msn
[12:25] <nalioth> mig`: this may help a little https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TitleIndex
[12:25] <Afroman> anybody can help me??
[12:25] <concept10> mig`, usb install
[12:25] <unome> Xira: dont you love it, Ubuntu detected my digital camera/dl'ed the pics and I was browsing the cam in no time
[12:25] <inemo> topyli: yeah, wanted the webcam support more than anything though
[12:25] <mig`> ok
[12:25] <nalioth> Afroman: lspci
[12:26] <concept10> mig`, http://www.google.com/search?q=install+ubuntu+usb&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial
[12:26] <Afroman> nalioth, and how do I know if they are working fine???
[12:26] <nalioth> concept10: nice browser ;)
[12:26] <Xira> yeah, I even donated and I pass out ubuntu cds at weekly lan partys
[12:26] <Xira> http://synchronizedesigns.us/ubuntu/
[12:26] <unome> Afroman: what nalioth said lspci and lshw
[12:27] <nalioth> Afroman: you can also go to system > admin > device manager  (its at the top)
[12:27] <Afroman> nalioth, unome, what is what???
[12:27] <nalioth> Xira: keep up the good work
[12:27] <Xira> my wireless network's SSID is "all connections are logged mofo" :>
[12:27] <Xira> thx nalioth
[12:27] <matt_> how do I make all windows open in one
[12:27] <confrey> hi, I can't mount two cdrom, how can I recover datas from them?
[12:27] <unome> it's what is says lspci for pci and lshw for all
[12:27] <nalioth> Afroman: open a terminal and type "sudo lshw"
[12:28] <matt_> instead of seprate
[12:28] <Afroman> nalioth, done that...
[12:28] <concept10> nalioth, unoffical firefox?!
[12:28] <nalioth> Xira: i drive a taxi in houston, tx. you should SEE some of the ssids i pick up
[12:28] <Afroman> nalioth, but I don't see my modem, that is the one I'm looking for
[12:28] <Xira> I can imagine
[12:28] <nalioth> concept10: you let your underwear show
[12:29] <concept10> nalioth, what do you use ?
[12:29] <nalioth> Afroman: if its a winmodem, you are probably out of luck
[12:29] <Xira> my network just uses 128bit WEP.. if they break that it's logged, and it pinpoints their lat/long
[12:29] <Xira> so i can go outside and bash them up with a baseball bat
[12:29] <Xira> :D
[12:29] <unome> hehe
[12:29] <Afroman> nalioth, and how do I know if it is a win modem or not??
[12:29] <James_Ward> Hi, I have a low memory machine without a bootable CD that I would like to install ubuntu on.  Is there a way to boot from sarge diskettes and then invoke ubuntu deoo
[12:29] <nalioth> concept10: what i use is not the thing, when i direct someone to google i tell them to google "search terms" not send a browser string
[12:29] <mig`> i'm following the links, haven't found anything yet, still looking though
[12:29] <Quest-Master> lmao Xira
[12:29] <James_Ward> debootstarp instead of debian?
[12:29] <nalioth> concept10: i'm very privacy aware
[12:30] <concept10> nalioth, I mean what app do you use to see wlan networks
[12:30] <nalioth> Xira: i dont even stop for locked APs, i just drive around the corner to the next shared one
[12:30] <concept10> netstumbler?
[12:30] <Afroman> nalioth, and how do I know if it is a win modem or not??
[12:30] <nalioth> James_Ward: use woody diskettes
[12:30] <Xira> nalioth: good man
[12:30] <nalioth> Afroman: pull the box out of the closet?
[12:31] <James_Ward> nalioth, Does that allow me to install ubuntu?
[12:31] <nalioth> concept10: macstumbler i believe
[12:31] <Xira> i can understand trying to break WEP keys, but when my SSID is "all connections are logged mofo" i hope they undertstand I mean buisness
[12:31] <synthetic_> How do you get file-roller to work with .RAR
[12:31] <Xira> :)
[12:31] <concept10> nalioth, I dont care about if someone knows my browser type, that is always broadcasted to every site you goto, unless you have hacked it off
[12:31] <nalioth> James_Ward: after you get your minimal network-aware debian up and running, you can change the sources list to point to ubuntu sources
[12:31] <nalioth> James_Ward: then you'll be fixed right up
[12:32] <nalioths_dog> James_Ward: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[12:32] <James_Ward> nalioth, I tried that with sarge and it didn't go well.  Woody will?
[12:32] <Xira> concept10: I have my user agent spoofed to Google Browser .3 Internal just to spook people :)
[12:32] <nalioth> concept10: it doesnt matter bout browser type
[12:32] <concept10> I want to change my type to IE
[12:32] <nalioth> James_Ward: yes, woody is far behind current ubuntu
[12:33] <synthetic_> When Google takes over the world, I will gladly join their army.
[12:33] <concept10> there is a firefox extension for it I believe
[12:33] <Xira> yea
[12:33] <James_Ward> nalioth , Thanks, I'll try that!
[12:33] <Xira> try the extension page
[12:33] <Xira> there are a few agent spoofers
[12:33] <nalioth> Xira: i respect locked APs, cuz for every locked one, there are 12 open ones
[12:33] <Xira> nalioth: amen
[12:33] <synthetic_> Anyone know how to get file-roller to work for rars?
[12:33] <Fazer> synthetic_: might wanna start early and rack up on your PhDs ;)
[12:33] <nalioth> concept10: just change it in about:config
[12:34] <concept10> Xira, nalioth  whats the point besides compatibilty?
[12:34] <Xira> nalioth: I understand WEPs are rather easy to break, that's why I have a neat logger + lat/long pinpointer
[12:34] <Xira> concept10: to spook log hunters
[12:34] <takmadeus> anyone here has an ATI card?
[12:34] <Xira> have fun
[12:34] <synthetic_> Fazer:  good idea
[12:34] <Xira> get a free .mac trial but spoofing your user agent to safari
[12:34] <Xira> etc
[12:34] <nalioth> concept10: there are no ups/downs for user agent strings
[12:34] <Xira> IE only sites
[12:34] <Xira> etc
[12:34] <Xira> takmadeus: yes, but i only run 2d drivers
[12:34] <nalioth> concept10: some sorry bastiches send you to differnt pages if you report anything other than IE
[12:34] <Xira> ati writes horrible drivers
[12:34] <Xira> i'm sorry
[12:35] <nalioth> i make up the weiredest user-agent-string i cna imagine
[12:35] <synthetic_> No one knows how to get .rar to work in ubuntu?
[12:35] <takmadeus> Xira: can you give me a copy of fglrx.ko?
[12:35] <nalioth> im sure it makes the webmaster chuckle at who has visited
[12:35] <Dr_Melectaus> is slackware a nix distro? or a seperate OS
[12:35] <Xira> takmadeus: where's that located?
[12:35] <nalioth> synthetic_: install unrar or unrar-nonfree
[12:35] <Quest-Master> Dr_Melectaus: nix distro.
[12:35] <takmadeus> Xira: I deleted mine by mistake
[12:35] <mig`> concept10: how about if i just go with the regular install, but boot into the live environment after install, mount up the hard drive, and re-make the initrd file to load up the usb driver ?
[12:35] <Xira> what dir is it in?
[12:35] <concept10> Xira, nalioth: I was thinking about sending out some flyers in the area telling residents I will secure thier networks for $20 bucks, I drove around with my laptop on day for about 20 mins and found about 30 unsecured wlans
[12:35] <synthetic_> nalioth where do i get those?
[12:35] <nalioth> Dr_Melectaus: slackware is a linux distro
[12:35] <mig`> i just dont know how to do that, (i haven't found anything in the wiki, or the google links)
[12:36] <Xira> that's a misleading advertisement
[12:36] <nalioth> synthetic_: use synaptic (and have all the repos enabled)
[12:36] <Dr_Melectaus> ahhh k thanks nalioth
[12:36] <Xira> you can secure their network to an extent
[12:36] <Xira> :)
[12:36] <nalioths_dog> synthetic_: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[12:36] <nalioths_dog> synthetic_: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:36] <takmadeus> Xira: /lib/modules/(kernel number)/kernel/drivers/video
[12:36] <socomm> apt-get install unrar
[12:36] <Amaranth> takmadeus: Why does he have to give it to you?
[12:36] <nalioth> concept10: i wouldnt do the flyer thing
[12:36] <Amaranth> i'd recommend unrar-nonfree
[12:36] <Amaranth> since it opens more files
[12:36] <concept10> mig`, sounds like a plan, but I cant help you with that one
[12:37] <Amaranth> takmadeus: Ubuntu provides that
[12:37] <Amaranth> search in synaptic for fglrx
[12:37] <takmadeus> Amaranth: well, I asked him if he could give it to me, as I deleted my fglrx.ko by mistake
[12:37] <nalioth> concept10: i'd put flyers up advertising "tired of windows? i'll help you gain freedom!!" and help em with ubuntu
[12:37] <Amaranth> takmadeus: Reinstall the package
[12:37] <jasoncohen> does only main & restricted get non-security updates after a release?
[12:37] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: Err, you mean super critical crasher fixes?
[12:37] <takmadeus> Amaranth: what is its name?
[12:37] <jasoncohen> i.e - should there be a hoary-updates line for universe and multiverse
[12:37] <Amaranth> takmadeus: search in synaptic for fglrx
[12:38] <mig`> can anyone help me?
[12:38] <mig`> hmm, let me google it
[12:38] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: those exist but i don't think the MOTUs have time to put anything in them
[12:38] <concept10> nalioth, when people come to my house they always want to use my computer, I have setup another box in the back room for guests, they always ask "What is this umboontoom thing?"
[12:38] <mig`> what is the command to switch into the environment of the installed system from the livecd, is it: chroot ?
[12:38] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, yeah- well ubuntu's sources.list file does not include a hoary-updates for multiverse or universe. i'm wondering why.
[12:38] <concept10> mig`, yes
[12:38] <Amaranth> mig`: yeah
[12:38] <nalioth> concept10: and i hope you send them home with the fancy official ubuntu cd package
[12:38] <Xira> takmadeus: http://synchronizedesigns.us/fglrx.ko
[12:38] <takmadeus> Amaranth: I have fglrx aready installed.... but in its files there is no flgrx.ko....
[12:39] <Xira> that's mine using the 2d drivers
[12:39] <Amaranth> takmadeus: Tell synaptic to reinstall the package
[12:39] <concept10> nalioth, I want to order some, do they take forvever? Im in texas also
[12:39] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, also, there appears not to be a security line for multiverse
[12:39] <mig`> ok
[12:39] <takmadeus> Amaranth: OK, I'll do it, thanks
[12:39] <mig`> i guess i'll just read up
[12:39] <nalioth> concept10: burn copies off, until you recieve the official ones
[12:39] <mig`> on it... thanks
[12:39] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: yeah, multiverse is mostly closed source things that are packaged, they can't make security updates for them
[12:39] <nalioth> concept10: i have a mac and give away more x86 copies
[12:40] <Amaranth> err
[12:40] <strider> hi
[12:40] <Will__> I have little linux goody-bags at the door at my place
[12:40] <Will__> Some sweeties, some CDs and a little tux doll to take home
[12:40] <James_Ward> nalioth, I need root.bin and what else from woody?
[12:40] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, so, there's no reason to add a hoary-updates line for universe or multiverse?
[12:40] <Amaranth> concept10: You'll get your hoary CDs some time after breezy+1 is released
[12:40] <concept10> nalioth, you say you drive a cab?  do you pass them out to passengers?
[12:40] <Amaranth> concept10: hehe, they are swamped with orders
[12:40] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: No, not really.
[12:40] <concept10> Amaranth, :) I think some people are abusing the system
[12:41] <Amaranth> concept10: You mean ordering 400 CDs just for fun?
[12:41] <takmadeus> thanks guys, I think I cn solve the problem now thanks to you..... I'm off to try it out.... I'll tell you if it worked, thanks
[12:41] <craigevil> is there an official cd cover image
[12:41] <nalioth> James_Ward: you can go to debian.com and get floppy images from there for woody
[12:41] <concept10> Amaranth, nalioth: Ive seen people auctioning the box of CDs
[12:41] <Xira> openoffice packages are so huge
[12:41] <Seveas> cya all
[12:41] <Fazer> bye
[12:41] <nalioth> concept10: if the passenger is interested, yes
[12:41] <synthetic_> so i got rar and unrar and i'm trying to unrar it but it's failing for every file
[12:41] <synthetic_> i did normal and sudo
[12:41] <James_Ward> nalioth, I am looking at the 1.44 images directory, but it isn't obvious which is the boot disk?
[12:41] <Fazer> Xira: indeed
[12:42] <concept10> Amaranth, go home!!!!!!!!
[12:42] <Amaranth> otherwise i'll be back tomorrow night on crap dialup on windows ME for another week
[12:42] <Fazer> synthetic_: what type of file is it?
[12:42] <Fazer> synthetic_: is it a multiple big rar file?
[12:42] <nalioth> concept10: well i hope they get caught and their nuts roasted (charred nuts taste awful)
[12:42] <nalioth> James_Ward: you'll need several, i believe
[12:42] <thespiritoftal> hi I am a beginner to linux can someone explain me step by step how to install java in ubuntu?
[12:42] <synthetic_> just one rar
[12:42] <cavediver> How can I play .nsv streams ? It should be audio+video. I think it's shoutcast
[12:42] <Xira> hmm.. whenever i boot into ubuntu, reboot into windows after booting into ubuntu, my display is corrupted on windows with artifacts until i restart
[12:43] <Xira> it's really weiurd
[12:43] <James_Ward> nalioth, I see a bunch of driver disks and a root disk, but which one is the boot?  Any idea?
[12:43] <nalioths_dog> thespiritoftal: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file]
[12:43] <craigevil> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[12:43] <concept10> Xira, have you tried streamtuner?
[12:43] <nalioth> James_Ward: i'd imagine it would be the root disk
[12:43] <Xira> concept10: no, what's that?
[12:44] <James_Ward> nalioth, Oh, okay, I'll try that, thanks!
[12:44] <nalioths_dog> craigevil: Please do not advise ubuntuguide. Item 3 here explains https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[12:44] <concept10> Xira, sudo apt-get install streamtuner streamripper     and report back!
[12:44] <Xira> what's it do..?
[12:44] <jasoncohen> huh, apparently there are hoary-updates for universe- and quite a few
[12:45] <concept10> Xira, http://www.nongnu.org/streamtuner/
[12:45] <thespiritoftal> apt-get install gives error saying Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied) Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[12:45] <TokenBad> use sudo
[12:45] <thespiritoftal> how?
[12:46] <TokenBad> sudo apt-get install streamtuner streamripper
[12:46] <synthetic_> Anyone know?
[12:46] <Xira> btw
[12:46] <synthetic_> I'm trying to unrar a .rar and it fails on every picture inside
[12:46] <Xira> when i do an apt-get update
[12:46] <Xira> I'm getting this
[12:46] <nalioths_dog> thespiritoftal: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[12:46] <thespiritoftal> plz someone help me
[12:46] <cavediver> Noone know how to play .nsv files ?
[12:46] <Xira> root@evermore:/home/nicholas # apt-get update
[12:46] <Xira> Ign http://people.debian.org ./ Release.gpg
[12:46] <Xira> Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release.gpg [189B]
[12:46] <Xira> Get:2 http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release.gpg [189B]
[12:46] <Xira> Ign http://people.debian.org ./ Release
[12:46] <Xira> Ign http://people.debian.org ./ Packages
[12:46] <Xira> Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release
[12:46] <Xira> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release
[12:46] <TokenBad> thespiritoftal
[12:46] <Xira> Hit http://people.debian.org ./ Packages
[12:46] <nalioth> xira
[12:46] <nalioth> xira
[12:46] <freddy> i cant believe this...this is amazing...and ironic at the same time......all this years i had so much problem trying to plug my ipod on linux....and now that i get ubuntu it is so easy......but the ironic part is...now the basics wont work.....SOUND and WIRELESS.....shit :(
[12:46] <TokenBad> use sudo
[12:46] <cavediver> no spam !!!
[12:46] <TokenBad> like I showed xira
[12:47] <nalioth> please dont flood
[12:47] <nalioth> Xira: you will be ground into sausage for sure
[12:47] <Seveas> good thing i didn't go yet :)
[12:47] <^thehatsrule^> synthetic_: use unrar x files.rar ?
[12:47] <synthetic_> x?
[12:47] <ryan_> anyone here using Nvidia module and AMD k7 kernel?
[12:47] <virgule> oops
[12:47] <^thehatsrule^> synthetic_: thats the command for eXtract with paths
[12:48] <unome> ryan_: yes.   Nvagp is set to what in your setup
[12:51] <Seveas> (and uses these a lot by default)
[12:51] <freddy> Quest-Master, no card, integrated.
[12:51] <nalioth> synthetic_: when you ask unrar for help, it will tell you how to keep all damaged files
[12:51] <unome> ryan_: let me check.
[12:51] <synthetic_> Seveas, on a technical standpoint i'm sure it's a lot more streamlined, but from my perspective, I'm on a soundless, mouseless laptop that is using my Xbox's cat5 because I can't get wireless
[12:52] <flugh> where's the desktop switching app?
[12:52] <jode> I need help with Apollon.
[12:52] <cavediver> nsv someone ?
[12:52] <Quest-Master> Melectaus_: What?
[12:52] <cavediver> I need help
[12:52] <craigevil> Anyone know wher you can get cd cover images for ubuntu?
[12:53] <ryan_> jode: Gift can be found in /usr/bin or sbin, just look.  All settings are in your home in .gift
[12:53] <unome> ryan_: dont have Nvagp.
[12:53] <ryan_> unome: cool, I'll try disabeling the NVagp and use the linux AGP  thanks
[12:53] <unome> yw
[12:53] <jode> thanks ryan!
[12:53] <ryan_> np
[12:54] <synthetic_> nalioth, i'm in the help menu right now, and i see nothing
[12:54] <Xira> http://rafb.net/paste/results/3g1oR228.html -- can anyone help me?
[12:54] <synthetic_> nothing that will solve my problem at least
[12:54] <synthetic_> and no, the files aren't corrupt
[12:55] <ryan_> Xira:  that shows that two repos are not found...maybe wrongly typed?
[12:55] <Xira> ryan_: I haven't booted into Ubuntu in a long time
[12:55] <Xira> a few months
[12:55] <Melectaus_> you know how your ethernet is eth, what would a wifi pcmcia card be?
[12:55] <Seveas> nerim has changed
[12:55] <Seveas> and should not be used for hoary anymore
[12:56] <Xira> Seveas: so what should I do? I'm sort of lost
[12:56] <Seveas> remove all deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net entries from your sources.list
[12:56] <ryan_> Xira: and now you want to do work in it?  check your /etc/apt/sources.lst and make sure all those repos are still active
[12:56] <synthetic_> Can anyone please helpme
[12:57] <synthetic_> I'm really getting frustrated
[12:57] <Xira> what should i replace the nerim entries with?
[12:57] <synthetic_> No mouse, no wireless, no sound, and I can't even unrar
[12:57] <Seveas> wb
[12:57] <unome> ty :p
[12:57] <Xira> anyone?
[12:57] <Xira> what should i replace the nerim entries with?
[12:57] <Seveas> nothing
[12:58] <Seveas> or possibly backports
[12:58] <Seveas> Xira: To find out the location of backports, go to backports.ubuntuforums.org/url.php
[12:58] <ryan_> Xira what packages in particular are you looking for?
[12:59] <Xira> erm
[12:59] <Xira> http://rafb.net/paste/results/
[12:59] <Xira> oi
[12:59] <Xira> paste is broke
[12:59] <zenlunatic> how official is this channel?
[01:00] <Xira> http://rafb.net/paste/results/IlAgtA58.html
[01:00] <Xira> that's my sources.list
[01:00] <Xira> what should i replace the nerim entries with?
[01:00] <Xira> it's been a few months since i've booted into ubuntu
[01:01] <anto9us> zenlunatic: it's listed on here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/
[01:02] <Xira> anyone? :<
[01:02] <crazyfox> Xira, anyone what?
[01:02] <ryan_> Xira: try ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/ ...add the /dist/ to each entry
[01:02] <jasoncohen> it's strange that ubuntu's sources.list doesn't have a line for hoary-updates universe when there are actually updates available for universe
[01:02] <crazyfox> jasoncohen, i think its for stabilty
[01:03] <x0563511> Anyone have an idea how long a shipit order for 8 standard, 1 amd64, and 1 ppc would take?
[01:03] <afroman> hi
[01:03] <afroman> back
[01:04] <Xira> ryan_: so for example, deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/dist/debian-marillat/ ?
[01:04] <x0563511> anyone?
[01:04] <crazyfox> x0563511, the same time for one disk or 100 (6-8 weeks)
[01:05] <robitaille> x0563511:  who knows.  I'm still waiting for my CDs months after ordering them. But many others have received them already.
[01:05] <afroman> nalioth, about the modem, I don't know if it is a win modem or not
[01:05] <crazyfox> afroman, what kind of puter is it?
[01:05] <afroman> nalioth, I can't even figure out what brand it is
[01:05] <Xira> ryan_: hm?
[01:05] <afroman> crazyfox, I have it in my laptop
[01:05] <ryan_> Xira: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/
[01:06] <afroman> anyone can help me??
[01:06] <jasoncohen> does backports have a GPG key that can be imported to get rid of the annoying authentication errors?
[01:06] <jasoncohen> i don't see anything on the site
[01:06] <anto9us> afroman: what's the model of your laptop?
[01:06] <afroman> Fujitsu Amilo M1420
[01:07] <afroman> anto9us,  Fujitsu Amilo M1420
[01:07] <nalioth> afroman: what kind of puter is it?
[01:07] <nalioth> afroman: i'm 95% certain you have a winmodem
[01:07] <x0563511> so nobody can give me an idea how long the shipit order will take? I seem to remember my first order (2 disks) taking several months, coming from sweden.
[01:07] <afroman> nalioth, what do U mean puter???
[01:08] <afroman> nalioth, it is in the laptop
[01:08] <visor> hi
[01:08] <nalioth> afroman: "puter" substandared abbreviation for "computer"
[01:08] <unome> jasoncohen: if you are using backports.ubuntuforums.org then wget http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports/pubkey.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -
[01:08] <visor> is there an encoder to convert mp4 to another format in gstreamer?
[01:08] <nalioth> afroman: is it built in? if so, i'm pretty sure its a winmodem
[01:08] <afroman> nalioth, sorry...:D
[01:08] <afroman> nalioth, yes it is build in
[01:09] <jasoncohen> unome, it's asking for a username/passwd
[01:09] <jasoncohen> nevermind, sorry
[01:09] <unome> not public any more then
[01:09] <afroman> nalioth, but wasn't that there was a way to install drivers for win modems??
[01:10] <LinuxSword> hi
[01:10] <LinuxSword> anybody there?
[01:10] <x0563511> Will I be able to find a way to play with my motorolla phone under Ubuntu?>
[01:10] <nalioth> afroman: winmodem support is still very small
[01:10] <jasoncohen> unome, HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 401 Authorization Required
[01:10] <jasoncohen> Authorization failed.
[01:10] <mike333> hi
[01:10] <jasoncohen> guess it requries a username/passwd to access the key
[01:10] <nalioth> afroman: you'd be quicker finding a supported usb or hardware modem
[01:11] <x0563511> ok.... respond if you can read this message please
[01:11] <mike333> hpw do i set up dhcp terminal server with ubuntu
[01:11] <jtan325> has anyone gotten gdesklets working?
[01:11] <unome> jasoncohen: I dont think you can use ubuntuforms backports any more, my bad
[01:11] <afroman> nalioth, no, I know it is possible to fix this
[01:11] <ccc> x0563511: yes?
[01:11] <LinuxSword> i have a UT99 installing problem
[01:11] <jasoncohen> does http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net have the key?
[01:11] <x0563511> ccc: thanks, just checking whether I was being ignored or not :D
[01:11] <nalioth> afroman: there is a way for everything
[01:11] <LinuxSword> anyone can help me?
[01:12] <visor> x0563511: which model you have?
[01:12] <x0563511> v400
[01:12] <unome> jasoncohen: I wouldnt know let me check
[01:12] <nalioth> LinuxSword: you need to ask a question first
[01:12] <ccc> x0563511: oh ok :D svensk?
[01:12] <unome> doesnt seem like it
[01:12] <LinuxSword> well... what can i do about an installtrap thingy?
[01:12] <x0563511> the windows program "P2Kman" works fine, I would assume there is something out there in FOSS
[01:12] <afroman> nalioth, so what is the way
[01:13] <nalioth> afroman: i have no idea, i run a iBook
[01:13] <mike333> im shure its easy, i just cant figure it out . any help would be apreciated. :)
[01:13] <grogoreo> hi
[01:13] <jasoncohen> unome, none of the mirrors seem to have anything but /dists
[01:13] <afroman> nalioth, the modem is a PCtel HSP56 MR Modem
[01:13] <grogoreo> for some reason badblocks is stopping at 35 with the command sudo badblock -c 256 /dev/hde
[01:13] <unome> jason, it would be great if they did
[01:14] <afroman> nalioth, what linux do U run on an iBook
[01:14] <mindphasr> how broken is breezy right now?
[01:14] <nalioth> afroman: ubuntu of course
[01:14] <nalioth> mindphasr: scary broken
[01:15] <jasoncohen> i hope backports does become an official project. then we wont' have to deal with the authentication issues + will have source and changelogs
[01:15] <mindphasr> eek
[01:15] <nalioth> afroman: go here http://www.linmodems.org/
[01:15] <visor> x0563511: im trying the same but with an E380, so far i found 4 apps to to something with cellphones, gnokii, p3nfs, kmobile and the other one i cant remember its name, have a look at kmobile.sf.net or at moto4lin.sf.net
[01:15] <James_Ward> nalioth, It's not recognizing my PCMCIA ethernet card.  Any ideas?  It's a NE2000 clone.
[01:16] <nalioth> James_Ward: i'm sorry, but we're out of my league here
[01:16] <unome> jason, yeah I saw some discussion about that in the forums.
[01:16] <x0563511> The requested URL / was not found on this server.
[01:16] <x0563511> Apache/1.3.33 Server at kmobile.sourceforge.net Port 80
[01:16] <James_Ward> nalioth, I was afraid of that.
[01:16] <jode> what is a good file sharing program for ubuntu?
[01:17] <nalioth> James_Ward: got any other pcmcia cards around (friends perhaps)?
[01:17] <James_Ward> nalioth, Maybe I could install from CD, but I don't see the woddy CD images?
[01:17] <James_Ward> nalioth, I do... I have a 3com.
[01:17] <nalioth> James_Ward: they were at the same place as the floppy images (or close by)
[01:17] <x0563511> visor: all I need is file and .seem access... would I have that with some of those apps?
[01:17] <cmatheson> hey, does anyone know the command to switch to the dvorak keyboard layout in X?
[01:17] <nalioth> jode: what protocol do you like?
[01:18] <jode> doesn't matter
[01:18] <visor> x0563511: i misswrote the server name, it is http://kmobiletools.berlios.de/
[01:18] <nalioth> James_Ward: dont waste time/bandwidth on the full cd image, there are woody netinst cd images available
[01:18] <ccc> jode: for direct connect i'd recommend linuxdc++, for bittorrent: azureus
[01:18] <nalioth> jode: there's emule, gtk-gnutella, bittorrent
[01:18] <nalioth> jode: dc++
[01:19] <soulfly> hi. im trying to " # aptitude install ~g.* " on hoary with uni, multiverse, backport and a few others. The command takes all cpu in the background (takes very long time). Anyone know the complexity of the algorithm?  anyone has a solution?
[01:19] <nalioth> jode: whatever you are used to using
[01:19] <ookii> i'm having the hardest time trying to unrar something, i've downloaded the unrar package but it still isn't working, does anyone have any suggestions?
[01:19] <x0563511> ookii: smack the publisher for using rar?
[01:19] <jode> ok, thanks
[01:19] <nalioth> soulfly: comment the backports until you need something from them
[01:19] <ookii> x0563511: ha, i wish
[01:20] <James_Ward> nalioth, Oooo, I got net!  ;-)
[01:20] <soulfly> nalioth: okay, some cyclic dependancy there that aptitude cannot handle?
[01:20] <mindphasr> cd WebIS.Pocket.Informant.2005.v6.00.ALL.PPC.Keymaker.Only-COREPDA
[01:20] <mindphasr> dir
[01:20] <ookii> ha strider, you're in rockville maryland, i'm from bethesda :-)
[01:20] <lsuactiafner> hey nalioth
[01:20] <lsuactiafner> compared to other ppl
[01:20] <lsuactiafner> how much do i help?
[01:20] <mike333> kan someone help me set up a DHCP  terminal server with ubuntu ?
[01:20] <lsuactiafner> ppl like seveas are great tho
[01:20] <lsuactiafner> i think he helps most?
[01:20] <strider> could anyone help me with cups? I have serched the web, checked the manual but still cannot find any information as to how to fix it
[01:21] <nalioth> soulfly: nah, i just recommend official ubuntu sources
[01:21] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: help? hinder? it's all in the eye of the beholder   ;)
[01:21] <strider> I am a newbie
[01:21] <lsuactiafner> strider : all you need a is a c-cup..
[01:21] <lsuactiafner> rofl
[01:21] <strider> cool ookii
[01:21] <lsuactiafner> yeh suppose i hinder more
[01:22] <ratbert90> hey, is there a unstable/super up-to-date/beta repository server?
[01:22] <lsuactiafner> is there a way to play avi with mplayer on a remote machine via ssh and have the sound also stream along to the local machine?
[01:22] <soulfly> nalioth: ahh. thanks. but it doesn't address my problem
[01:22] <ratbert90> for packages and whatnot?
[01:22] <xxtreme> anyone know how to install spca5xxx for webcams
[01:22] <nalioth> soulfly: nah, but might solve some problems b4 they happen
[01:22] <nalioth> soulfly: apt-get not workin?
[01:22] <nalioth> soulfly: or synaptic?
[01:22] <mike333>  kan someone help me set up a DHCP  terminal server with ubuntu ?   pleease
[01:22] <x0563511> visor: kmobiletools seems to be... lacking in what I want.  Already done so in windows...
[01:23] <James_Ward> nalioth, Can you give me that link to ubuntu sources.list again?
[01:23] <nalioths_dog> James_Ward: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[01:23] <define> hi guys,
[01:23] <define> just one question:
[01:23] <soulfly> nalioth: I tried to install all packages and now it finished with the biggest dependancy problems list I've ever seen
[01:23] <visor> x0563511: then i must say im sorry because thats all i know about mobile phone in linux
[01:23] <nalioth> soulfly: backports
[01:23] <define> Is the ubuntuguide.org guide trustworthy
[01:24] <nalioth> define: not really
[01:24] <define> why not?
[01:24] <nalioth> define: here ya go
[01:24] <nalioths_dog> define: Please do not advise ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead.  Item 3 here explains why https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[01:24] <x0563511> visor: well thanks though. Nobody else even responded\
[01:24] <define> thank you
[01:25] <FLD> I am root If you see me laughing you better have a backup!!
[01:25] <zukalk> how do i 'chmod -r' my entire $HOME dir to other users, so that only i (and root..) can see what's in it?
[01:25] <strider> lsuactifner: could you please elaborate?
[01:26] <lsuactiafner> i dont think i will
[01:26] <lsuactiafner> maybe i should
[01:26] <SpaceminD> hello
[01:26] <SpaceminD> :)
[01:26] <soulfly> zukalk: i think it's chmod you want..   remove the x-flags from the directories as others... $ find /home/myself -type d | xargs chmod o-x
[01:26] <SpaceminD> i need some help to change my screen resolution,
[01:27] <SpaceminD> i cannot change it to 1024*768
[01:27] <anto9us> zukalk: make them nontraversable -x
[01:27] <define> ok thank you,
[01:27] <SpaceminD> i only have 1280*1024 and higher resolutions :(
[01:27] <define> if i entered a few commands found on the ubuntuguide.org...
[01:27] <ratbert90> What is a good unofficial repository server?
[01:27] <define> what should i do
[01:28] <zukalk> soulfly, anto9us, thanks both. what are the x-flags?
[01:28] <define> like, i changed a few sources lists for my updates an stuff
[01:28] <nalioth> SpaceminD: that is the first time i've seen someone complain about a large rez
[01:28] <SpaceminD> alguns tugas aki ?
[01:28] <zukalk> SpaceminD, h
[01:28] <James_Ward> Me too.
[01:28] <nalioths_dog> define: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[01:28] <anto9us> zukalk: on directories it's traverse ie. "see what's in them"
[01:29] <SpaceminD> nalioth, i did edit xorg.conf and removed the "1280" and rebooted, but i only get 1280*1027 damn
[01:29] <define> thanks...
[01:29] <nalioth> define: how long have you been using the unofficial sources?
[01:29] <define> but when i tryed uodating via the package manager afterwards
[01:29] <nalioth> SpaceminD: add 1024x768
[01:29] <define> i go alot of CANNOT IDENTIFY PACKAGE!
[01:29] <SpaceminD> and in xorg.conf the monitor model ir compaq v500 and mine is a daewoo
[01:29] <zukalk> anto9us, do i need to -r too?
[01:29] <define> err AUTHENTIFY*
[01:29] <nalioth> define: that is common when the packager doesnt provide a gpg key
[01:30] <n3C> daewoo suX
[01:30] <nalioth> define: but for system stability, stick with official repos
[01:30] <anto9us> zukalk: yes, otherwise they can access by using an explicit path
[01:30] <n3C> i have daewoo tico :>
[01:30] <define> ok, doesnt really meen my sysem i compromised does it...
[01:30] <nalioth> define: if you NEED something from backports or marillat, uncomment those lines for that program only, and then comment them back out when you've gotten it
[01:30] <SpaceminD> Section "Monitor"
[01:30] <SpaceminD>         Identifier      "default"
[01:30] <SpaceminD>         Option          "DPMS"
[01:30] <SpaceminD> EndSection
[01:31] <SpaceminD> SubSection "Display"
[01:31] <SpaceminD>                 Depth           24
[01:31] <SpaceminD>                 Modes           "1024x768" "800x600"
[01:31] <SpaceminD>         EndSubSection
[01:31] <zukalk> anto9us, thanks
[01:31] <nalioth> define: prolonged use of unofficial repos, can cause your system to be nonupgradeable (and nondowngradeable)
[01:31] <SpaceminD> i have like tis and i cant get the 1024*768 res :(
[01:31] <James_Ward> nalioth, edit sources.list, apt-get update and the apt-get dist-upgrade?
[01:31] <nalioth> define: seen a lot of user have to reinstall cuz of prolonged use of unofficial repos
[01:31] <nalioth> James_Ward: yes
[01:31] <define> ok,
[01:31] <nalioth> SpaceminD: please dont flood
[01:32] <SpaceminD> sorry
[01:32] <nalioth> SpaceminD: you will be turned into hamburger
[01:32] <define> so, basicly, i should undo what i did here, which is this: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[01:32] <cyphase> I just converted someone to Ubuntu
[01:32] <SpaceminD> i am an hamburger now with this 1280* resolution :(
[01:32] <cyphase> from windows
[01:32] <nalioth> SpaceminD: you can try to reconfigure xorg if you wish
[01:32] <cyphase> :)
[01:33] <SpaceminD> nalioth, what is the command to do that ?
[01:33] <nalioth> define: yes, stick with the official repos for your daily updates, and what i said about proggys you just have to have
[01:33] <nalioth> SpaceminD: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[01:33] <anto9us> cyphase: well done :)
[01:33] <define> excelllent then its settled
[01:33] <MachineScrew> will ubuntu run on a P2 300MHz using GNOME
[01:33] <nalioth> cyphase: keep up the good work!
[01:33] <nalioth> MachineScrew: yes
[01:34] <nalioth> MachineScrew: if you have lots of ram
[01:34] <cyphase> thanx
[01:34] <cyphase> lol
[01:34] <define> and apart from installing a firewall and nessus, is there anything that is an absolute must for my desktop right now?
[01:34] <anto9us> MachineScrew: yes
[01:34] <nalioth> define: you do not need a firewall, by default ubuntu has no open ports
[01:34] <MachineScrew> nalioth: 512mb but not much video ram
[01:34] <IceDC571> MachineScrew: i think you should run a lightweight windowmanger like xfce
[01:34] <nalioth> MachineScrew: gnome will work
[01:34] <IceDC571> ohh.. if you have 512mb of ram then thats fine
[01:35] <MachineScrew> ok
[01:35] <define> oh ok
[01:35] <define> is it counter productive to have though?
[01:35] <define> or useless?
[01:35] <MachineScrew> because my girlfriend got a P2 laptop on ebay for 170
[01:35] <nalioth> define: and no 'phone-home' software that i know of, either
[01:35] <MachineScrew> it has windows 2000
[01:35] <define> lol
[01:35] <MachineScrew> I thought to give her an upgrade
[01:36] <nalioth> define: no, you can have what you like, it's your puter
[01:36] <define> ok thank you for your help
[01:36] <nalioth> define: you might give this a read, its about firewalls http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/05/09/1846213&tid=78&tid=130
[01:36] <ratbert90> ok, HOW do I get mplayer?  Do I have to install it from source?
[01:37] <nalioth> define: actually its about firewall frontends
[01:37] <zukalk> soulfly, i get an error about xargs
[01:37] <crimsun> ratbert90, get it from multiverse. You'll need both universe and multiverse repos enabled.
[01:37] <ratbert90> ok
[01:37] <x0563511> visor: check this out: http://moto4lin.sourceforge.net/
[01:38] <ratbert90> crimsun, what is a good repository server for ubuntu
[01:38] <ratbert90> ?
[01:38] <define> ok, yea i see...
[01:38] <crimsun> ratbert90, the default ones in your /etc/apt/sources.list suffice
[01:38] <nalioths_dog> ratbert90: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[01:38] <visor> x0563511: yep yesterday i did, but it seems my model isnt supported
[01:38] <zenlunatic> MachineScrew: give her free software
[01:38] <define> well i need somehting like that, cuz, well, im not quite the software engineer i may seem to be (lol)
[01:38] <zenlunatic> MachineScrew: istead of propreitary
[01:38] <nalioth> define: nothing wrong with frontends to ease the text drudgery
[01:39] <x0563511> visor: sorry. Mine is a v400, they support the one before, and the one after.
[01:39] <x0563511> visor: so I assume mine will work
[01:39] <IceDC571> visor: which model do you have?
[01:39] <chibifs> AptGetOrg page in the wiki also shows some repositories that have semi-compatible package listings.
[01:40] <visor> IceDC571: E380
[01:40] <chibifs> Though I really don't think they should list the repo's that have the playstation bios files and Scumm full games :P
[01:40] <James_Ward> nalioth, Should I let it do the coreutils and stuf, or interrupt and swap sources now?
[01:41] <nalioth> James_Ward: as long as you have a minimal system running (can see the net, have terminal, etc), you can swap sources
[01:41] <rob^> can someone give me some advice on this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=45684&highlight=dvd+burn
[01:41] <nalioth> James_Ward: you want to install "ubuntu-desktop"
[01:42] <vladuz976> hi i am running ubuntu from live CD right now. i wanted to test hardware before install. seems that i have a problem with screen resolution. can someone help?
[01:42] <nalioth> rob^: try k3b
[01:43] <nalioth> vladuz976: system > prefs > screen rez
[01:43] <rob^> nalioth, ok, but why isnt gnomebaker etc working?
[01:43] <vladuz976> nalioth, i know but that drop down menu is very limited
[01:44] <nalioth> rob^: idk, but i've used lots of em, and for me k3b works best (graveman and gnomebaker seem kinda 'unfinished' to me)
[01:44] <vladuz976> nalioth, best i get is
[01:44] <James_Ward> nalioth, Will xfce4 suffice, I doubt gome will be useful in 32M RAM.
[01:44] <vladuz976> 1024x768
[01:44] <nalioth> vladuz976: on the liveCD i believe you are limited, but you might try the help when the disk first boots
[01:44] <rob^> nalioth, well if it works I'll be happy either way
[01:44] <nalioth> vladuz976: i believe you may be able to pass rez to the kernel at that point
[01:44] <zenlunatic> James_Ward: um. X won't be useful in 32M ram.
[01:44] <vladuz976> nalioth, what do you mean?
[01:44] <vladuz976> nalioth, the live cd?
[01:45] <rob^> thanks
[01:45] <nalioth> James_Ward: heh yup, you are gonna be a console cowboy on that thing
[01:45] <zenlunatic> James_Ward: links, lynx, w3m, bitlbee, irssi, screen get to know them
[01:45] <nalioth> vladuz976: when the livecd first boots, it says "press <whatever> for help, <enter> to start ubuntu"
[01:45] <James_Ward> nalioth, What I am after is the ubuntu flawless wireless.  The ultimate goal is svncviewer and madwifi.
[01:46] <nalioth> vladuz976: press for help
[01:46] <vladuz976> nalioth, ok i am gonna reboot and try that
[01:46] <zenlunatic> James_Ward: and get some paper porn because you won't be viewing it online
[01:46] <vladuz976> nalioth, what to you press to get into the help menu?
[01:46] <James_Ward> nalioth, What is the cool gnome wireless package?  gnome-config?
[01:46] <nalioth> James_Ward: doubtful you are gonna see any gui goodness
[01:46] <nalioth> vladuz976: i have no idea, it will tell you when it boots
[01:46] <James_Ward> nalioth, svncviewer works very fine.
[01:46] <vladuz976> nalioth, thanks
[01:47] <IceDC571> i dont see why windows 98 can run on 32mb of ram but X cant
[01:47] <nalioth> James_Ward: there is a wm for older systems called 'matchbox' i believe
[01:47] <nightswim> and X server from the 90's probably can
[01:47] <zenlunatic> IceDC571: I blieve 98 needs 64 megs actually
[01:47] <crimsun> IceDC571, it can if you have at least 64 MB of swap
[01:48] <James_Ward> nalioth, No worries, what do I load to get madwifi and wireless goodness?
[01:48] <crimsun> IceDC571, you'd have to run a really slim wm (or none at all) with very few extensions loaded
[01:48] <zenlunatic> James_Ward: wtf is "wireless goodness"?
[01:48] <nalioth> James_Ward: not sure, i have ubuntu-desktop on mine
[01:48] <James_Ward> zen, iwconfig and friends.
[01:49] <nalioth> James_Ward: after you get your stuff switched and d/l you can use aptitude to search for the wireless stuff
[01:49] <nalioth> James_Ward: lots of it is there by default
[01:49] <James_Ward> I don't need X at all really, if I can get the wireless working reliably.
[01:50] <James_Ward> I haven't found a distritubtion whose wireless works even as remotely well as ubuntu.
[01:51] <James_Ward> WHat I mean to say is, Ubuntu's wireless is peerless!
[01:51] <James_Ward> :-)
[01:51] <pavel> yeah
[01:51] <pavel> you are right
[01:52] <nalioth> James_Ward: you making puns?
[01:52] <zenlunatic> James_Ward: why would you need X to get wireless working?
[01:52] <James_Ward> zen, I don't, but I love the gui network config tool.
[01:52] <unome> http://www.kde-look.org/content/pre1/23444-1.jpg
[01:52] <nalioth> James_Ward is being punny
[01:52] <zenlunatic> James_Ward: i didn't even know there was a gui network config tool
[01:52] <James_Ward> ;-)
[01:53] <James_Ward> zen, Oh you should try it, it's excellent!
[01:53] <matt_> any way to get my thumb buttons and wheel working in ubuntu
[01:53] <zenlunatic> James_Ward: um my networking has worked out of the box
[01:53] <bpuccio> unome: nice background, sort of has a blair with feel to it
[01:53] <unome> I like it =)
[01:53] <vladuz976> nalioth, hey i rebooted, i didn't get any help option
[01:54] <JDigital_> Hello, everyone. I have the same problem as this fellow, and request a solution, if anyone can give one! http://lists.debian.org/debian-ssh/2005/02/msg00036.html
[01:54] <nalioth> guys, whats the button to push for the help (boot options, res options, etc) on the liveCD?
[01:54] <James_Ward> zen, You don't have challenged hardware.  ;-)
[01:54] <IceDC571> unome: i dont get it..?
[01:54] <zenlunatic> James_Ward: i guess not
[01:54] <unome> IceDC571: get what?
[01:54] <zenlunatic> James_Ward: i buy apples for a reason
[01:54] <zenlunatic> James_Ward: apple computers that is
[01:54] <IceDC571> "its coming, can you hear it?"
[01:54] <nalioth> zenlunatic: be nice
[01:54] <James_Ward> zen, I'm installing on a p166 MMX with 32M RAM and no bootable CD.
[01:54] <nalioth> James_Ward is hardcore
[01:55] <unome> IceDC571: you mean you can't hear anything? check your sound lol
[01:55] <James_Ward> zen, I have an 17" powerbook... it runs OS X.
[01:55] <IceDC571> unome: there we go, got some alsa static
[01:55] <borkdox> any breezy amd64 users?
[01:55] <nalioth> James_Ward: it'll run ubuntu fine, too if ya got a supported usb wifi dongle (or a cat5 cable)
[01:55] <vladuz976> no one else here has the resolution problem i have?
[01:55] <James_Ward> nalioth, I had ubuntu on it, but th tou
[01:56] <James_Ward> nalioth, I couldn't stand that it wouldn't use the builtin wireless.
[01:56] <nalioth> James_Ward: to me, that'd be a small thing
[01:56] <nalioth> James_Ward: i'm fixin to buy a new imac, and its gonna have ubuntu on it
[01:57] <nalioth> James_Ward: cat5 plugged into the back
[01:57] <James_Ward> nalioth, It is small, but it just didn't lok right with a wireless card sticking out of it... ;-)
[01:57] <matt_> anyone in here using a mx 1000 laser mouse..... need some help please
[01:57] <nalioth> James_Ward: you're not so hardcore to open it up and hardwire it right to the board?
[01:57] <James_Ward> nalioth, I don't do hardware.  :-)
[01:58] <nalioth> James_Ward: it's easy. i've replaced the HD in this iBook myself
[01:58] <JDigital_> Hello, everyone. I have the same problem as this fellow, and request a solution, if anyone can give one! http://lists.debian.org/debian-ssh/2005/02/msg00036.html
[01:58] <James_Ward> nalioth, HDs are pretty plug 'N play.
[01:58] <nalioth> James_Ward: have a new G4 ibook that i'm debating opening and hardwiring a supported usb wifi thing inside
[01:58] <James_Ward> nalioth, Replacing the wireless would be another story?
[01:59] <James_Ward> nalioth Really?  I thought that would be hard?
[02:00] <nalioth> James_Ward: not at all
[02:00] <James_Ward> nalioth, I wish someone else would have suggested installing from woody before the last 10 attempts from sarge.
[02:00] <nalioth> James_Ward: well, we come and go in here, guess you have been missing me (or some1 who could've suggested woody)
[02:00] <James_Ward> nalioth, You should get that idea out there for low memory install solution.
[02:01] <nalioth> James_Ward: which idea?
[02:01] <James_Ward> nalioth, Installing from woody.  It's not out there on the website/FAQs.
[02:01] <nalioth> James_Ward: will put it somewhere
[02:01] <James_Ward> nalioth, And so far, it is proceeding exceedingly smooth.
[02:02] <James_Ward> nalioth, Sarge go into a horrible mess.
[02:03] <borkdox> there is currently a horrible mess in breezy's 32bit libs on amd64
[02:03] <borkdox> openoffice is broken
[02:03] <borkdox> cedega does not run
[02:03] <James_Ward> Woody install is a bit primitive, but anyone trying to do this will maybe be able to figure it out.
[02:03] <crimsun> borkdox, one word: "Breezy"
[02:03] <crimsun> :-)
[02:04] <borkdox> crimsun, i like bleeding edge
[02:04] <James_Ward> borkdox, Then you must be willing to bleed...
[02:04] <JDigital_> Hello, everyone. I have the same problem as this fellow, and request a solution, if anyone can give one! http://lists.debian.org/debian-ssh/2005/02/msg00036.html
[02:04] <crimsun> borkdox, then it's a lovable mess
[02:04] <BluesRocker> anybody can help me with install of ubunyu 5.04 ?
[02:04] <nalioth> borkdox: and now you are bleeding
[02:05] <James_Ward> BluesRocker, What the problem is?
[02:05] <BluesRocker> i cant start gnome
[02:05] <James_Ward> BluesRocker, It's never started?
[02:05] <borkdox> nalioth, doom3 runs nice tough, because it has its own libs
[02:06] <BluesRocker> no, i login and that s it
[02:06] <borkdox> the thing is i cannot run half life 2 which was running very nice under cedega without chroot
[02:06] <nalioth> borkdox: i'm sure amd64-breezy has its oohs and ahhs (but also its' "ouch #*$&)(EE*#" too)
[02:06] <BluesRocker> it s fresh instalation
[02:06] <nalioth> BluesRocker: how do you login?
[02:06] <nalioth> BluesRocker: picture or text?
[02:06] <jasoncohen> JDigital_, so, your ssh client hangs on ubuntu if you try to connect to a remote SSH server or does the SSH server on ubuntu hang when a remote user tries to connect to your SSH server?
[02:06] <BluesRocker> text
[02:07] <nalioth> BluesRocker: type "startx" at the prompt (after you log in)
[02:07] <BluesRocker> i tried
[02:07] <BluesRocker> not know command
[02:07] <nalioth> BluesRocker: and what happened?
[02:07] <nalioth> BluesRocker: the command is "startx"
[02:08] <James_Ward> nalioth, A kernel upgrade will likely contain madwifi modules?
[02:08] <goldfish> BluesRocker: you got an nvidia card?
[02:08] <BluesRocker> yes fx5200
[02:08] <nalioth> James_Ward: i have no clue what madwifi is
[02:08] <goldfish> BluesRocker: you might need to get the nvidia drivers.
[02:08] <goldfish> !binary
[02:08] <BluesRocker> ok, where?
[02:08] <ubotu> goldfish: I haven't a clue
[02:08] <James_Ward> nalioth, Provides device drivers for Atheros wireless cards.
[02:08] <goldfish> hmmm
[02:08] <nalioth> goldfish: VESA drivers would get him goin
[02:08] <goldfish> nalioth: Ah roight.
[02:08] <James_Ward> nalioth, Is stock ubuntu.
[02:09] <cafuego> James_Ward: they're not in the kernel. You need additional packages for 'em
[02:09] <goldfish> nalioth: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[02:09] <crimsun> BluesRocker, install nvidia-glx, then execute sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[02:09] <nalioth> goldfish: http://lists.debian.org/debian-ssh/2005/02/msg00036.html
[02:09] <borkdox> i just wish there was a distro with the way of gentoo but precompiled/binaried (long compiles was my main reason for leaving gentoo and adopting ubuntu)...
[02:09] <nalioth> crap
[02:09] <nalioth> goldfish: disregard
[02:09] <nalioth> fsckig buffer
[02:09] <James_Ward> cafuego, I'm dist-upgrading from woody.  Any idea what package would have madwifi in it?
[02:09] <nalioth> goldfish: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:09] <JDigital_> jasoncohen: My ssh client is Ubuntu. It hangs regardless of which of the four servers I connect to; one freebsd, one unknown, two debian woody.
[02:10] <BluesRocker> tnx
[02:10] <BluesRocker> i ll try
[02:10] <nalioth> BluesRocker: run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and choose the VESA driver
[02:10] <jasoncohen> JDigital_, have you tried purging and re-installing SSH?
[02:11] <nalioth> James_Ward: you can search at packages.ubuntu.com for madwifi
[02:11] <thenuke> James_Ward: google ubuntu + madwifi
[02:11] <James_Ward> Thanks.
[02:11] <jasoncohen> JDigital_, apt-get remove --purge openssh-server openssh-client
[02:11] <thenuke> James_Ward: packages.com wont find it
[02:11] <jasoncohen> JDigital_, or you can use synaptic's complete remove option
[02:12] <JDigital_> I'll try that...
[02:12] <James_Ward> thenuke, No?  If I search for ath~pci?
[02:12] <James_Ward> ath_pci I meant.
[02:12] <cafuego> James_Ward: Debian doesn't contain madwifi.
[02:12] <thenuke> I dont know about ath_pci
[02:13] <JDigital_> Removing ubuntu-base ...
[02:13] <JDigital_> Removing ubuntu-desktop ...
[02:13] <JDigital_> Removing ssh-askpass-gnome ...
[02:13] <JDigital_> Removing openssh-client ...
[02:13] <JDigital_> wtf
[02:13] <freddy> ok totem by default can play...NOTHING
[02:13] <James_Ward> cafuego, I'm on an ubuntu system via an atheros card as I type.
[02:13] <freddy> lol
[02:13] <JDigital_> Don't I need ubuntu-base?
[02:13] <thenuke> James_Ward: don't flood the channe
[02:13] <thenuke> l
[02:13] <JDigital_> freddy: that's why I use mplayer
[02:13] <cafuego> James_Ward: Yes, but ubuntu is not Debian.
[02:13] <JDigital_> tabbing out loud
[02:13] <James_Ward> cafuego, I know.  That's why I want ubuntu, it just works.
[02:14] <freddy> does mplayer have a GUI?
[02:14] <freddy> i mean...
[02:14] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[02:14] <JDigital_> gmplayer does
[02:14] <HrdwrBoB> but it sucks
[02:14] <freddy> i know it has one
[02:14] <cafuego> James_Ward: Yes. In the mean time, Debian does not contain madwifi drivers, as they are not free.
[02:14] <JDigital_> gmplayer is mplayer with gui
[02:14] <jasoncohen> James_Ward, madwifi is actually already included in ubuntu
[02:14] <freddy> ah ok nice
[02:14] <JDigital_> mplayer is easy to learn the keyboard controls to
[02:14] <jasoncohen> James_Ward, it's in linux-restricted-modules
[02:14] <cafuego> James_Ward: join #debian and type '/msg dpkg madwifi'
[02:14] <jasoncohen> just modprobe ath_pci
[02:14] <cafuego> James_Ward: ... that will tell you where to find the debian ones.
[02:14] <James_Ward> cafuego, I've been there, done that.  It wasn't stable.
[02:14] <jasoncohen> he doesn't need to if he's in ubuntu
[02:15] <James_Ward> jasoncohen, I'm dist-upgrading from woody.
[02:15] <cafuego> James_Ward: Then perhaps ndiswrapper
[02:15] <jasoncohen> does that work?
[02:15] <James_Ward> jasoncohen, sounds like I need linux-restricted-modules then?
[02:15] <cafuego> James_Ward: upgrading from woody? If you know what you're doing, yes.
[02:15] <jasoncohen> James_Ward, yes
[02:16] <James_Ward> jasoncohen, Thanks!
[02:16] <jasoncohen> use aptitude - not apt-get
[02:16] <jasoncohen> James_Ward, aptitude -f dist-upgrade --with-recommends
[02:16] <James_Ward> jasoncohen, Oh?
[02:16] <jasoncohen> definitely
[02:16] <cafuego> maybe, aptitude fuckes up depends on occasion
[02:16] <xinel> do n do n do oo hey all
[02:16] <James_Ward> jasoncohen, Uhoh, the apt-get dist-upgrade is already well in progress.
[02:16] <jasoncohen> that's what the sarge release notes recommends- apt-get simply can't handle the complex dependencies introduced between distros 3 years apart
[02:16] <jasoncohen> James_Ward, just pray then
[02:17] <freddy> hrmm question...my sound wasnt working....on xmms i opened xmms and changed the driver to eesound....does that means is going to work everywhere in the system?
[02:17] <James_Ward> jasoncohen, Seems to e doing great so far.
[02:17] <JDigital_> So do I actually need these packages, "ubuntu-base" and "ubuntu-desktop"?
[02:17] <jasoncohen> James_Ward, you can use apt-get dist-upgrade w/o issue to upgrade from one ubuntu release to another but woody is over 3 years old. the differences between sarge & woody are staggering
[02:17] <crimsun> freddy, if you use the default Ubuntu sound configuration, yes, using esound will work.
[02:17] <jasoncohen> there are 2x the packages- from 8k to 15,250
[02:17] <James_Ward> jasoncohen, nalioth recommended woody as it was old enough that the dist-upgrade would be more likely to work.
[02:18] <jasoncohen> JDigital_, they're meta packages
[02:18] <cafuego> !dstats hoary
[02:18] <ubotu> Ubuntu Distro Stats on hoary... 16270 packages, 1437 maintainers, 31005 MB installed size, 9820 MB compressed size.
[02:18] <tiglionabbit> jasoncohen: those packages are of nothing.  They are just to pull in a large amount of programs typical of an install.  You can remove them and nothing bad will happen
[02:18] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, i know
[02:18] <tiglionabbit> oops, i meant that to JDigital_
[02:19] <jasoncohen> JDigital_, you can remove them but why bother? they take up no space
[02:19] <jasoncohen> they're really just there to make it easier for you to install a base system
[02:19] <JDigital_> They removed themselves when I removed openssh-client and openssh-server like someone up there told me
[02:19] <nalioth> JDigital_: you can put them back later
[02:19] <nalioth> JDigital_: after you reinstall the ssh
[02:19] <JDigital_> jasoncohen
[02:19] <jasoncohen> JDigital_, ah, yeah, ok- well now you can apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ubuntu-base to get the packages you lost back
[02:19] <JDigital_> I have uninstalled and reinstalled it. No effect!
[02:20] <nalioth> jasoncohen: what is the difference 'tween aptitude and synaptic (besides curses and X)?
[02:20] <xinel> anybody know of a site that explains how to remotely manage a linux pc?
[02:20] <jasoncohen> nalioth, aptitude is supposed to have better package handling when dealing with massive ugrades between distributions that have great differences and complex dependencies
[02:20] <jasoncohen> nalioth, it's not really an issue on ubuntu
[02:20] <JDigital_> I like synaptic
[02:20] <JDigital_> good solid program
[02:21] <nalioth> jasoncohen: ah, i was just wondering (cuz of the aptitude zealotry i see in here, lol)
[02:21] <jasoncohen> nalioth, apt-get is fine for ubuntu
[02:21] <nalioth> xinel: use ssh to access the pc, then you have control of it
[02:21] <jasoncohen> and aptitude can't be used together with apt-get/synaptic
[02:21] <jasoncohen> the databases will get out of sync and you'll see aptitude trying to re-isntall already installed apps or apps that were uninstalled for no apparent reason
[02:21] <James_Ward> jasoncohen, Ever?
[02:22] <jasoncohen> and you have to purge and re-install
[02:22] <jasoncohen> aptitude that is
[02:22] <JDigital_> I use apt-get and synaptic
[02:22] <nalioth> thought aptitude used the same dpkg database as apt-get?
[02:22] <jasoncohen> James_Ward, well, most ubuntu users probably upgrade every 6-12 months so i don't really see the need for aptitude
[02:22] <jasoncohen> James_Ward, synaptic can install recommends just as well as aptitude
[02:22] <James_Ward> jasoncohen, but one should never mix hem?
[02:23] <James_Ward> them?
[02:23] <jasoncohen> no
[02:23] <xinel> nalioth: thnx
[02:23] <jasoncohen> it'll completely screw up aptitude
[02:23] <thenuke>  /last James_Ward
[02:23] <jasoncohen> i tried- beleive me
[02:23] <jasoncohen> aptitude's database gets out of sync and it doesn't know what's installed and what's uninstalled
[02:23] <James_Ward> jasoncohen, So having done my dist-upgrade via apt, I should never run aptitude.
[02:23] <jasoncohen> it'll start doing really weird things like trying to install apps which were uninstalled and there's no obvious reason why
[02:23] <nalioth> James_Ward: apt-get is fine for ubuntu
[02:24] <jasoncohen> if you do an apt-get remove --purge aptitude and an apt-get install aptitude the problem goes away
[02:24] <JDigital_> I wish someone would have paid me for the time I've spent trying to get to the root of this problem. I'd be rich.
[02:24] <jasoncohen> yeah, on debian you need aptitude
[02:24] <JDigital_> I've been struggling with it since February. There's a thread about it on the forums that nobody reads.
[02:24] <jasoncohen> woody and sarge are completely different distros- 7-8,000 new packages, completely different dependencies, 3 years of changes
[02:24] <jasoncohen> ubuntu doesn't really have that issue with 6 month releases
[02:24] <James_Ward> All I have ever used is apt-get, the gui-ish ones confuse me.  :^)
[02:25] <jasoncohen> i like synaptic for checking changelogs, holding packages etc.
[02:25] <arbeck> has anyone ever seen a server get owned where after reboot it displays a login prompt that doesn't work?
[02:25] <James_Ward> What's the curses one?  I absolutlely loathe it.
[02:25] <crimsun> dselect? aptitude?
[02:25] <James_Ward> dselect.,
[02:25] <jasoncohen> synaptic is a very good package management gui and apt is the best package management system
[02:26] <crimsun> I prefer aptitude's apt-get form
[02:26] <nalioth> dselect suX0rs
[02:26] <jasoncohen> James_Ward, aptitude has a curses gui that's kind of ugly/hard to use
[02:26] <jasoncohen> synaptic is 100x better
[02:26] <crimsun> dselect is just fine; I simply prefer aptitude
[02:26] <nalioth> James_Ward: but on a console-only system ya take what's available
[02:26] <James_Ward> So, should I ever require a gui, I can use synaptic.
[02:26] <jasoncohen> but dselect is pretty cool
[02:26] <jasoncohen> James_Ward, yes- use synaptic
[02:26] <jasoncohen> the other guis are crap frankly
[02:27] <jasoncohen> like gnome-apt and ksynaptic
[02:27] <nalioth> i personally have never understood how to use dselect or aptitude
[02:27] <jasoncohen> with dselect you can do a clone of a system
[02:27] <nalioth> jasoncohen: ya mean kpackage and kynaptic?
[02:27] <nalioth> lol
[02:27] <crimsun> aptitude can be used identically to apt-get (with the exception of source and build-dep)
[02:27] <jasoncohen> "dpkg --get-selections > foo.txt" on the source, copy foo.txt to the destination and run "dpkg --set-selections < foo.txt ; apt-get -u dselect-upgrade" on the destination.
[02:27] <JDigital_> $10 paypal to the man who can get ssh working for me.
[02:28] <James_Ward> JDigital, :-)
[02:28] <tiglionabbit> JDigital_: apt-get install openssh
[02:28] <jasoncohen> nalioth, isn't there a gnome apt frontend?
[02:28] <DonL> JDigital_, you're serious aren't you? lol
[02:28] <jasoncohen> JDigital_, apt-get install openssh-server openssh-client
[02:28] <jasoncohen> or apt-get install ssh
[02:28] <cafuego> How about real money and not paypal toy money?
[02:28] <JDigital_> I apt-get installed openssh-client after I uninstalled it earlier. No effect. Still won't work.
[02:29] <nalioth> jasoncohen: idk, i use synaptic
[02:29] <JDigital_> Still broke like it has been since I switched to Ubuntu in February.
[02:29] <jasoncohen> nalioth, i was right- apt-cache show gnome-apt
[02:29] <cafuego> Well, my rates start at $165/h or part thereof, so sorry.
[02:29] <nalioth> JDigital_: do you live in the houston area?
[02:29] <jasoncohen> JDigital_, perhaps you might want to try breezy's openssh - 4.1
[02:30] <jasoncohen> sorry- sids
[02:30] <JDigital_> nalioth: no.
[02:30] <jasoncohen> i don't know if breezy has 4.1 yet
[02:30] <nalioth> JDigital_: and if you're considering breezy, perhaps you might want to compile ssh by hand
[02:30] <cafuego> !info ssh breezy
[02:30] <ubotu> ssh: (Secure shell client and server (transitional package)), section net, is optional. Version: 1:4.1p1-4ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 32 kB, Installed size: 72 kB
[02:30] <BluesRocker> i tried xserver-xorg but said it is not installed
[02:30] <jasoncohen> i guess they have
[02:30] <cafuego> BluesRocker: Time to install it, then.
[02:30] <JDigital_> The topic advises me not to use breezy :)
[02:30] <BluesRocker> from where?
[02:31] <nalioth> BluesRocker: type this: "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"
[02:31] <cafuego> BluesRocker: apt-get install x-window-system
[02:31] <jasoncohen> JDigital_, add a deb-src line for breezy, apt-get update, apt-get build-dep ssh, apt-get source -b ssh
[02:31] <nalioth> JDigital_: yes, that is a safe way to sample breezy
[02:32] <cafuego> jasoncohen: Doing that will make you end up with an ssh package identical to the precompiled one. What would be the point?
[02:32] <nalioth> cafuego: JDigital_ is not running breezy
[02:32] <JDigital_> how do I get a deb-src for breezy
[02:32] <jasoncohen> cafuego, from breezy- not hoary
[02:32] <cafuego> Aah :-)
[02:32] <jasoncohen> JDigital_, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:32] <cafuego> The best way to sample breezy is to switch off your machine and then try to use X.
[02:33] <JDigital_> I mean, what is the URL?
[02:33] <nalioth> JDigital_: clone one of the deb-src lines from your sources.list and change hoary to breezy (anyone else do this, they will pay with their sanity)
[02:33] <cafuego> Gives you the same experience without the frustration of havuing to actually fix it.
[02:33] <jasoncohen> JDigital_, copy your deb lines and change to deb-src
[02:33] <JDigital_> aha
[02:33] <xinel> haha
[02:33] <mig`> hmm, the initrd that ubuntu default install makes available loads usb-storage (which technically should load a usb hdd right?)
[02:33] <nalioth> something like that, anyway
[02:33] <mig`> but its still not loading
[02:33] <jasoncohen> is  ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net down?
[02:34] <crimsun> mig`, well, usb mass storage, yes
[02:34] <freddy> hrmm this is weird
[02:34] <freddy> mplayer is not playing anything
[02:34] <jasoncohen> JDigital_, all of ssh's build-deps from breezy can be satisfied
[02:34] <crimsun> mig`, are you trying to use a usb thumbdrive?
[02:34] <JDigital_> Oh shit, I just accidentally deleted the main respository
[02:34] <cafuego> JDigital_: Quit without saving
[02:34] <nalioth> freddy: did you visit the sound problem wiki?
[02:35] <freddy> nalioth, well i got sound working...lol
[02:35] <nalioth> freddy: good!
[02:35] <freddy> but....is there a way like a flag to run a file on mplayer without sound?
[02:35] <freddy> nalioth, thanks a lot
[02:35] <freddy> nalioth, now...wifi is what i need :D
[02:36] <James_Ward> :-)
[02:36] <lsuactiafner> freddy : -ao null
[02:36] <nalioth> freddy: if you have a supported card, you should already have it
[02:36] <freddy> nalioth, linksys...only works with ndiswrapper :(
[02:36] <lsuactiafner> freddy : -ao null -nosound so it ignores the audiostream
[02:37] <nalioth> freddy: ah, you know more than I, then (i'm spoiled with an iBook)
[02:37] <freddy> hahaha mplayer plays the file without sound....if i try to play it normal...it just fails :(
[02:37] <freddy> shiaat
[02:37] <nalioth> freddy: do you know the word 'compile'?
[02:37] <freddy> yup
[02:37] <mig`> crimsun, i'm trying to use a usb hard drive
[02:37] <JDigital_> sounds like a sound problem
[02:37] <nalioth> freddy: can you make apt compile?
[02:37] <crimsun> freddy, are you using -ao esd ?
[02:37] <mig`> crimsun, i completed step1 of installation on a usb hdd
[02:38] <crimsun> mig`, ok, and is scsi_mod loaded?
[02:38] <mig`> however, i can't boot into the system to complete step 2
[02:38] <mig`> oh, no heh
[02:38] <mig`> that could be why!
[02:38] <freddy> crimsun, im doing mplayer file.avi -ao null
[02:38] <crimsun> freddy, ...so you don't want sound?
[02:38] <jasoncohen> JDigital_, actually, instead of doing apt-get source -b ssh, you should do apt-get source ssh and then build manually
[02:38] <lsuactiafner> apt-get build-dep mplayer then compile it yourself..
[02:38] <freddy> but i dont get it...all the system bells sound!
[02:38] <mig`> right now i'm on the livecd, i can chroot into the usb hdd where it was installed
[02:38] <lsuactiafner> if you need sound -ao help
[02:38] <jasoncohen> because breezy's ssh requires a newer version of libc6 than hoary has
[02:39] <JDigital_> I'm not particularly familiar with compiling Linux software manually.
[02:39] <nalioth> i dont see why he can't d/l the source from the website/homepage and build it himself
[02:39] <crimsun> JDigital_, it's ok, Ubuntu makes it a cinch
[02:39] <nalioth> JDigital_: its easy
[02:39] <freddy> crimsun, no...i mean..when i try to play a file just normally, and it hangs....so i thought that the sound might be the problem...and i wanted to know how to remove sound when playing......and someone told me that was the way....thats why i did that....and i saw that it actually works without sound
[02:39] <crimsun> JDigital_, sudo apt-get build-dep openssh-server && apt-get source openssh-server
[02:40] <crimsun> JDigital_, then you'll need to compile it as the others have suggested
[02:40] <DonL> freddy, so sound actually kills the whole app?
[02:40] <freddy> now what you said...gave me the video WORKING with sound!!! YAY!
[02:40] <jasoncohen> crimsun, apt-get build-dep ssh will also work
[02:40] <freddy> DonL, yes...but -ao esd worked!
[02:40] <freddy> :D
[02:40] <DonL> weird
[02:41] <jasoncohen> it'll get the deps for both the client and the server
[02:41] <freddy> now...how can i make it default so i dont have to do that all the time =/
[02:41] <nalioth> freddy: i'm sure in your mplayerrc there is a spot for what sound daemon to use
[02:41] <jasoncohen> actually, it doesn't matter since it uses the same source package
[02:41] <mig`> hmm, would it be better for me to edit the initrd file already existant, or create a new one using mkinitrd ?
[02:41] <Melectaus_> Is there any software for burning DVD's ?
[02:41] <mig`> (by chroot'n into the system from this livecd)
[02:41] <Melectaus_> apt-get style preferably
[02:41] <freddy> whats the mplayerrc?
[02:41] <jasoncohen> Melectaus_, gnomebaker, k3b etc.
[02:41] <jasoncohen> Melectaus_, there are many- pick one
[02:41] <crimsun> jasoncohen, precisely, and ssh is a virtual package. It's always preferable to use a precise one.
[02:41] <nalioth> Melectaus_: k3b
[02:41] <Melectaus_> ok jasoncohen tah
[02:42] <Melectaus_> nalioth, ;)
[02:42] <jasoncohen> i like k3b
[02:42] <nalioth> guys, does mplayer have a rc file?
[02:42] <crimsun> yes, in /etc/mplayer*
[02:42] <lsuactiafner> heh, one thing i dont have
[02:42] <bccs> hi there
[02:42] <DonL> freddy, I don't know if this will help, but if you start mplayer, right click on it, hit preferences, then audio....
[02:42] <nalioth> crimsun: how bout in the $homedir?
[02:42] <jasoncohen> why would openssh built on hoary require breezy's libc6?
[02:42] <crimsun> nalioth, ~/.mplayer/config
[02:43] <bccs> has anyone here installed mono on hoary through apt-get?
[02:43] <nalioth> jasoncohen: cuz they're using breezys source repos
[02:43] <jasoncohen> wait- i was wrong
[02:43] <nalioth> jasoncohen: and the diffs and all that mess call for a different libwhatever
[02:43] <crimsun> jasoncohen, it should build fine barring any more recent build-dep requirements
[02:43] <jasoncohen> JDigital_, just do apt-get source -b ssh
[02:44] <jasoncohen> you can then do  dpkg -i openssh-server_4.1p1-4ubuntu1_i386.deb openssh-client
[02:44] <jasoncohen> it worked fine her
[02:44] <jasoncohen> *here
[02:44] <freddy> jeDon YAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!
[02:44] <JDigital_> ok
[02:44] <freddy> err
[02:44] <jasoncohen> i don't quite understand it
[02:44] <nalioth> freddy: you should have (like crimsun said) a ./mplayer/config file
[02:44] <freddy> DonL, YAAAAAAAAAY!
[02:44] <DonL> lol
[02:44] <jasoncohen> as breezy's ssh requires a newer version of libc6 but it works
[02:44] <nalioth> freddy: ya got it switched in the prefs?
[02:44] <freddy> YES!!
[02:44] <freddy> i love you guys all
[02:44] <nalioth> great!
[02:44] <crimsun> jasoncohen, if you compile it in Hoary, it uses Hoary's libc6
[02:44] <DonL> Now I need some help
[02:45] <freddy> better thing is that im tryign with a britney spears video....and she looks ....shiiat...
[02:45] <DonL> I still can't get firefox to print directly. I've spent all afternoon, and finally gave up
[02:45] <jasoncohen> crimsun, so, as long as you compile in hoary, it'll work in hoary regardless of it's dependencies in breezy?
[02:45] <crimsun> jasoncohen, yep
[02:46] <lsuactiafner> what gcc version does breezy have?
[02:46] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: 4.0
[02:46] <lsuactiafner> goin to like breezy very much
[02:47] <lsuactiafner> heh, ubuntu aint bad
[02:47] <jasoncohen> JDigital_, heh, now i have to remove the 4.1 packages
[02:47] <jasoncohen> JDigital_, but it works- the server started up and i could connect
[02:47] <lsuactiafner> with nice init.d and 800mb of deps+libs its pretty nice
[02:47] <jasoncohen> i just want to use the hoary version so i get security updates
[02:47] <freddy> now...hmm...this error cracks the hell out of me....its asking for a font each time it starts lol
[02:47] <mig`> crimsun, right now, i'm trying to call mkinitrd (while chroot'd into the usb hdd from this livecd), it tells me to mount procfs which i do, and then when i call mkinitrd (the call is: mkinitrd -k -o /boot/initrd.mig -r /dev/sda1) and it gives me the following error:
[02:48] <DonL> Every time I try to print directly from Firefox, the browser dies, and nothing prints. If I save the file in another program like openoffice, then it will print fine
[02:48] <lsuactiafner> freddy : get fonts for mplayer from mplayerhq
[02:48] <lsuactiafner> freddy http://www.mplayerhq.hu
[02:48] <mig`> /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: The working directory /tmp/mkinitrd.H5Ustl will be kept.
[02:48] <freddy> lsuactiafner, already did buddy...but i dont know where the fonts go on the system
[02:48] <mig`> /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386: Not a directory
[02:48] <mig`> /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: MODULES needs to be set to none?
[02:48] <lsuactiafner> freddy : lets see
[02:49] <mig`> ideas?
[02:49] <lsuactiafner> in .mplayer/font/
[02:49] <freddy> lsuactiafner, LOL
[02:49] <freddy> ok
[02:49] <crimsun> mig`, does /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/ exist?
[02:49] <lsuactiafner> heh
[02:49] <lsuactiafner> yeh
[02:49] <mig`> yes
[02:49] <freddy> this is what i find like WTF about ubuntu http://www.deviantart.com/view/20175320/
[02:49] <mig`> i call: ls /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/ and i get a full listing
[02:49] <jasoncohen> JDigital_, how did it go?
[02:50] <DonL> I just got mplayer fonts from synaptic. There they were
[02:50] <nalioth> freddy: in your home directory in .fonts
[02:50] <lsuactiafner> wow icecream is nice, and tea is nice
[02:50] <freddy> i just love how it works with the ipod
[02:50] <freddy> its fricking amazing
[02:50] <dennis_> this is bizarre. Firefox has no sound, but IE 6.0 installed via Crossover office has the sound. What gives?
[02:51] <freddy> i hope there isnt a bad bug or something
[02:51] <nalioth> dennis_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[02:51] <dennis_> thx, nalioth. I'll check this out
[02:52] <freddy> dennis_, bizarre lol
[02:52] <freddy> true
[02:52] <freddy> now
[02:52] <freddy> wifi......*sigh*
[02:52] <mig`> ideas as to why mkinitrd thinks /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386 doesn't exist?
[02:52] <mig`> remember, this is inside a chrooted environment
[02:52] <zenlunatic> anyone use jabber here?
[02:53] <mig`> i'm on the livecd now, and that terminal is chrooted into my usb hdd
[02:53] <James_Ward> freddy, It's not that hard in my experience.
[02:53] <freddy> James_Ward, installing it with ndiswrapper?
[02:53] <freddy> i havent had luck in any distro ive tried
[02:53] <James_Ward> freddy, I have a Dell Inspiron 9100 with roadcom that uses ndiswrapper.
[02:53] <James_Ward> Broadcom.
[02:53] <freddy> broadcom.....thats mine!
[02:53] <freddy> toshiba here
[02:54] <freddy> satellite
[02:54] <James_Ward> freddy Mine works great under ubuntu.
[02:54] <James_Ward> freddy, The trick is finding the right device driver from Windoze.
[02:55] <James_Ward> frddy, Do you have Windoze installed still?
[02:55] <MikeStyle> uhmm i ran sudo apt-get install k3b and all it did was update everything i had. and k3b isnt installed. what happened
[02:55] <freddy> James_Ward, hells no :(
[02:56] <James_Ward> freddy, Toshiba install CDs?
[02:56] <freddy> James_Ward, but i downloaded the driver that works for my card
[02:56] <freddy> its a pcmcia card buddy
[02:56] <James_Ward> freddy, Ooooohhhhh, mines
[02:56] <James_Ward> built-in.
[02:56] <mig`> let me try restarting into the installer and doing what i found on a wiki
[02:56] <mig`> brb
[02:57] <James_Ward> freddy, Well, did you find the drivers and load them into ndiswrapper?
[02:57] <nalioth> mike333: did you try installing k3b again?
[02:57] <freddy> James_Ward, im about doing it today
[02:57] <nalioth> crap i hate similar nick
[02:57] <nalioth> s
[02:57] <James_Ward> freddy, ndiswrapper -i <driver-file> as I recall.
[02:57] <nalioth> ask and run, did ya see that?
[02:57] <freddy> James_Ward, yup..
[02:58] <freddy> ndiswrapper is installed by default on the system?
[02:58] <James_Ward> freddy, and then there's a way to ask ndiswrapper if it sees any hardware.
[02:58] <James_Ward> freddy, I don't remember, but I think so.
[02:59] <James_Ward> freddy, let me see if it's on this Casio Fiva I'm on now.
[02:59] <sumon> can i ask questions here?
[02:59] <James_Ward> freddy, Yep.
[03:00] <DonL> sumon, sure
[03:00] <James_Ward> freddy, well, I have hernel modukles anyway.
[03:00] <nalioth> sumon: ask away
[03:00] <sumon> how to grant permission to the current user..
[03:00] <sumon> say I want write in a file > something
[03:01] <sumon> it says permission denied
[03:01] <jtan325> when i try to play a file using xine or vlc, it complains about "insufficient resources allocated". any ideas?
[03:01] <jtan325> sumon, use "sudo"
[03:01] <freddy> i cheated on mplayer and made a symb link to another ttf font i had on my system....lol
[03:01] <sumon> yes i used
[03:01] <jtan325> it gives your "root" permissions
[03:01] <jtan325> sumon, then maybe some other program is using it?
[03:02] <James_Ward> sumon Are you using > redirection?
[03:02] <nalioth> sumon: what exactly are you trying to do (and where?)
[03:02] <DonL> freddy, everything works for you now?
[03:02] <gus> Hello everyone!
[03:02] <freddy> DonL, wifi
[03:02] <freddy> damn i cant install ndiswrapper
[03:02] <freddy> apt-get wont bring it...gonna check repo
[03:02] <DonL> I must profess to know absolutely nothing about ndiswrapper
[03:03] <sumon> say something > some.php
[03:03] <goldfish> freddy: did u try apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils ?
[03:03] <James_Ward> freddy, ndiswrapper-utils - Userspace utilities for ndiswrapper
[03:03] <estebandido> evening, all
[03:03] <James_Ward> sumon, > won't work with sudo methinks.
[03:03] <James_Ward> sumon, sudo -s and then do it.
[03:03] <freddy> goldfish, James_Ward  that worked thanks :D
[03:04] <estebandido> anyone here good with webmin?
[03:04] <sumon> what does sudo -s do?
[03:04] <James_Ward> sumon Gives you a root shell.
[03:04] <freddy> now...to download the driver
[03:04] <nalioth> sumon: keeps a command shell open for 5 minutes
[03:04] <freddy> James_Ward, cant you just throw me the driver you used?
[03:04] <estebandido> i can't get ssh server to start
[03:04] <goldfish> estebandido: whats happening?
[03:05] <James_Ward> freddy, That system is home behind a NAT, can't reach it.
[03:05] <freddy> aww :(
[03:05] <goldfish> estebandido: Is it installed?
[03:05] <estebandido> it doesn't see the host keys, even tho they're in /etc/ssh
[03:05] <nalioth> holy cow! apple just started selling color ipods and they're already available in the refurb room at apple
[03:05] <goldfish> oh
[03:05] <estebandido> yup
[03:05] <James_Ward> freddy, Likely a diffeent driver anyway.
[03:05] <goldfish> nalioth: link?
[03:05] <freddy> link!!!
[03:05] <sumon> thanks a lot
[03:05] <nalioth> goldfish: www.apple.com/store/ click on the red tag at the bottom right
[03:06] <nalioth> goldfish: i'd send a link, but they are all individualized
[03:06] <estebandido> any thought, golfish?
[03:06] <DonL> I really appreciate all you people who have command of the terminal. I usually point and click where I can.
[03:06] <JDigital_> ...and after all that, it seems that it's still not working.
[03:06] <goldfish> nalioth: thanks
[03:06] <James_Ward> DonL, some of us preceed point and click... ;-)
[03:06] <goldfish> estebandido: hmmm, not really im afriad never had that problem :/
[03:06] <DonL> haha
[03:06] <nalioth> DonL: the terminal is your best friend, more power, and it will be with you when X goes home to momma
[03:06] <silent_scream> hi
[03:06] <estebandido> damn.... anyone?
[03:07] <estebandido> anyone good with ssh server?
[03:07] <James_Ward> Seems like ssh day.
[03:07] <silent_scream> i would like to know the kernel version of ubuntu 5.04
[03:07] <DonL> I'm trying to learn, and I must say I know a lot more about it now than when I started with Linux. The speed improvement is amazing!
[03:07] <crimsun> silent_scream, 2.6.10
[03:07] <crimsun> silent_scream, plus a lot of patches
[03:07] <James_Ward> silent_scream, uname -a
[03:08] <estebandido> James_Ward, any ideas?
[03:08] <James_Ward> uname -r actually.
[03:08] <silent_scream> crimsun: is that the the default version after installation?
[03:08] <crimsun> silent_scream, yes. 2.6.10-5-386
[03:08] <James_Ward> estebandido, Mine started out of the box?  I think?
[03:08] <silent_scream> thnx
[03:09] <nalioth> silent_scream: unless you're on a PPC
[03:09] <estebandido> mine worked, and then stopped
[03:09] <James_Ward> estebandido, Ah, so....
[03:09] <James_Ward> estebandido, Any idea why?
[03:09] <estebandido> i used to be able to ssh in, but then i tinkered with webmin
[03:09] <James_Ward> estebandido, Ah, sooooo.... :-)
[03:09] <estebandido> now the server won't start
[03:09] <nalioth> estebandido: you've found your problem
[03:10] <estebandido> yeah, but i didn't do anything serious
[03:10] <estebandido> nothing that should make it forget where the host keys are
[03:10] <nalioth> estebandido: if it did work and doesnt work now, it evidentally was serious enough
[03:11] <estebandido> how would i wipe it out and start clean?
[03:11] <James_Ward> Is webmin part of ubuntu?
[03:11] <gus> alguien habla espaol?
[03:11] <crimsun> #ubuntu-es
[03:11] <nalioth> gus: en #ubuntu-es
[03:11] <DonL> nalioth, could estebandido reinstall?
[03:11] <estebandido> yo, pero no se si puedo ayudar
[03:11] <nalioth> estebandido can remove and purge openssh-server
[03:12] <estebandido> good grief, i don't want to reinstall the whole thing
[03:12] <estebandido> ah, that's better
[03:12] <nalioth> estebandido: it's just a couple clicks of the mouse
[03:12] <estebandido> apt-get uninstall?
[03:12] <nalioth> estebandido: uninstall and purge
[03:12] <estebandido> thanks... brbr
[03:13] <estebandido> brb, even
[03:13] <James_Ward> (be right back, really!
[03:13] <DonL> nalioth, that's something I don't know how to do. Is there an apt-get command for purge?
[03:14] <crimsun> apt-get --purge remove $package
[03:14] <nalioth> DonL: yes, you can do it in synaptic also
[03:14] <James_Ward> What does purge do, exactly?
[03:14] <crimsun> removes unaltered conffiles
[03:14] <DonL> Yes, I know about synaptic, but I'm trying to learn command line. Thanks.
[03:14] <nalioth> DonL: in synaptic it's the 'complete removal' option
[03:14] <James_Ward> A.
[03:14] <freddy> any of you have any idea how to go about listening mp3 on the Rythbox?
[03:14] <James_Ward> Ah.
[03:14] <freddy> Rythmbox
[03:14] <crimsun> freddy, did you install gstreamer0.8-mad?
[03:15] <nalioth> DonL: "apt-get --help" will provide lots to think about
[03:15] <freddy> damn what a name...mad
[03:15] <freddy> lol
[03:15] <freddy> crimsun, no buddy
[03:15] <madmavric> anybody know how i would edit files without root access?
[03:15] <crimsun> then do so.
[03:15] <silent_scream> guys where can i find the kernel sources for ubuntu 5.04 kernel? (2.6.10-5)
[03:15] <DonL> Ahhh. Okay. That's what complete removal does. I didn't know that
[03:15] <nalioths_dog> freddy: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[03:15] <crimsun> silent_scream, install linux-tree-2.6.10
[03:15] <DonL> nalioth, I will read that.
[03:15] <madmavric> how to edit config files without root access?
[03:15] <nalioth> madmavric: only your files
[03:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> all new cartoon @ www.illwillpress.com Enjoy!
[03:15] <silent_scream> crimsun: that was not my question
[03:15] <madmavric> i need to edit apache
[03:16] <silent_scream> i need a site
[03:16] <freddy> crimsun, is that the plugin?
[03:16] <nalioth> silent_scream: www.kernel.org if ya want pristine
[03:16] <freddy> nalioths_dog, ok ok
[03:16] <silent_scream> to find the kernel sources
[03:16] <madmavric> anybody know how to edit config files ?
[03:16] <nalioth> madmavric: you don't have sudo access?
[03:16] <James_Ward> madmavric, sudo vi <config files>
[03:16] <crimsun> silent_scream, Ubuntu's kernel has lots of patches applied. Simply inspecting the vanilla source will not suffice, hence I pointed you to a package that includes both the source and the patches broken out.
[03:16] <freddy> crimsun, ok done....now ?
[03:17] <madmavric> sudo doesnt work
[03:17] <madmavric> james that exact ?
[03:17] <nalioth> freddy: did you read that URL?
[03:17] <James_Ward> madmavric, In what way doesn't it work?
[03:17] <crimsun> freddy, now restart Music Player and load your mp3s
[03:17] <freddy> nalioth, i am
[03:17] <James_Ward> madmavric sudo id
[03:17] <zenlunatic> anyone have a jabber acct on jabber.org?
[03:17] <madmavric> no write permission for file yada yada yada
[03:17] <gus> why xmms freeze when I open a Mp3 file?
[03:17] <freddy> crimsun, woah...thanks man...gotta write all this shit down
[03:17] <freddy> lol
[03:17] <crimsun> gus, choose the esound output plugin instead of the oss one.
[03:17] <nalioth> freddy: when you finish reading it, and implement what it says, you'll be in business
[03:18] <gus> ok, thanks, let me test.. (PD: sorry for my bad english) =P
[03:18] <nalioth> freddy: ya aint got to write nothing down except this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com
[03:19] <madmavric> I keep getting the no write permissions no matter what command i try
[03:19] <freddy> nalioth, lol thats a LOT to write down
[03:19] <freddy> haha
[03:19] <freddy> ;)
[03:19] <nalioth> freddy: it's all on the wiki
[03:19] <James_Ward> madmavric, what does the command 'sudo id' produce?
[03:19] <freddy> yeah..it was  a j/k
[03:19] <madmavric> this is most aggravating that root access for configuring files isnt enabled
[03:19] <freddy> :)
[03:19] <silent_scream> no no i can't find the kernel sources... i need a site... the kernel is 2.6.10-5 (after the default installation of ubuntu) i don't need patches...
[03:19] <madmavric> no write permission
[03:19] <mig`> umm, ok, i think there might be something wrong when i chroot into a stage 1 installation
[03:20] <crimsun> silent_scream, then install just linux-source-2.6.10
[03:20] <James_Ward> madmavric, Type in: sudo id
[03:20] <madmavric> i did damnit, same result
[03:20] <mig`> i chroot , mount proc, append /etc/mkinitrd/modules, then call mkinitrd -o /boot/initrdimg -r /dev/sda1
[03:20] <James_Ward> madmavric, sudo id said no write permission?
[03:20] <madmavric> yes for the third time
[03:20] <silent_scream> crimsun: where can i find it?
[03:20] <mig`> and it gives me an error about /lib/modules/2.6.10 not being a directory
[03:20] <crimsun> silent_scream, in the main repository
[03:20] <James_Ward> madmavric, Very strange...
[03:20] <madmavric> ubuntu is very strange
[03:21] <crimsun> silent_scream, just grab it using apt-get/synaptic/dselect/aptitude
[03:21] <madmavric> i dont like being treated like a child
[03:21] <crimsun> then stop acting like one
[03:21] <James_Ward> jeward@fiva:~/Desktop$ sudo id
[03:21] <James_Ward> uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root)
[03:21] <James_Ward> crimsun, Good point.  :-)
[03:22] <freddy> ubuntu is DA BOMB
[03:22] <freddy> :D
[03:22] <freddy> i love it
[03:22] <freddy> i have to see if my wifi works tho
[03:22] <freddy> but im too excited making my music list :D
[03:22] <crimsun> madmavric, the first thing you need to check is that /var is mounted with write permissions enabled
[03:22] <James_Ward> madmavric, If sudo id says something about no write permissions... it's not sudo.
[03:23] <crimsun> madmavric, with the default Ubuntu install, that means that / needs to be mounted with write permissions enabled.
[03:23] <silent_scream> all that i ask, is a site to download the 2.6.10-5 kernel sources
[03:24] <madmavric> var is mounted with write permissions, now how do i do that????
[03:24] <crimsun> silent_scream, I told you: any standard Ubuntu mirror.
[03:24] <crimsun> silent_scream, for instance, archive.ubuntu.com
[03:24] <James_Ward> silent_scream, I don't understand how crimsun didn't answer your request?
[03:24] <DonL> well, I must go and barbeque. Thanks again for all your help folks.
[03:25] <silent_scream> another mirror crimsun?
[03:25] <James_Ward> madmavric, Issue the command mount and look for something like: /dev on /.dev type unknown (rw,bind)
[03:25] <James_Ward> Ooops, wrong line.
[03:25] <crimsun> silent_scream, here, choose a mirror for this file: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.10/linux-source-2.6.10_2.6.10-34.3_all.deb
[03:25] <madmavric> this is all russian to me, for something that should already be enabled
[03:26] <James_Ward> madmavric, /dev/hda6 on / type reiserfs (rw,notail)
[03:26] <mig`> ideas?
[03:26] <mig`> crimsun, i'm doing everythign like it should be done, but mkinitrd gives that error
[03:26] <mig`> that directory -DOES- exist
[03:26] <lampshade> Anyone in here run WOlfET on ubuntu?  Or linux in general for that matter?   Someone else here may know. Have you checked tldp.org?
[03:28] <mig`> you can either use sudo
[03:28] <mig`> or set one using passwd
[03:28] <freddy> hehe you guys get that question like 100 in a minute
[03:28] <James_Ward> Peronsally, I think ubuntu's no root login is an excellent idea.
[03:28] <mig`> i haven't checked tlpd.org, let me try now
[03:28] <freddy> James_Ward, hells i agree so much
[03:29] <bruno> tks very much
[03:29] <goldfish> bruno: the sudo password is the password of the account u added during the installation.
[03:29] <crimsun> mig`, if that's too general, try looking in other distros' forums. Fedora and Gentoo both have great resources.
[03:29] <mig`> how can i view an environment variable?
[03:29] <sfilho> hi there! is there some tool that auto-detect my modem on my laptop compaq nx9005?
[03:29] <goldfish> mig`: what is it?
[03:29] <crimsun> mig`, echo $SOMETHING
[03:29] <mig`> ok
[03:30] <James_Ward> mig, echo $whatever
[03:30] <mig`> goldfish, i'm trying to make an initrd file
[03:30] <mig`> but i'm getting an error from mkinitrd, it says that /etc/s)modules/2.xxx/ is not a directory (when it really i
[03:30] <mig`> (when it really is)
[03:30] <chibifs> Blah, this is such a pain.
[03:30] <James_Ward> mig I like set|less
[03:30] <chibifs> Anyone want to help me with this gnome-kde icon script? :P
[03:31] <bruno> i'm trying to compile mono 1.1.8, but when i use "sudo ./configure --prefix=/usr/local", i get "C compiler cannt generate executables"
[03:31] <bruno> where can i read about the origin of this problem?
[03:31] <goldfish> bruno: CFLAGS
[03:31] <bruno> i'm sorry, i'm a complete newbie
[03:31] <sfilho> the modem is the ALi Corporation M5457 AC'97 Modem Controller, but I don't know which driver I can use
[03:31] <mig`> hmm, let me see
[03:31] <mig`> i think i have to set $LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[03:31] <mig`> because i tried: echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH and its blank
[03:31] <mig`> however, in mkinitrd.conf that is what LD_LIBRARY_PATH is set to
[03:31] <mig`> could that be why?... lets see
[03:31] <bruno> CFLAGS, ok. i'll google that.
[03:32] <James_Ward> bruno Sounds like gcc might not be working?
[03:32] <sfilho> anyobe could help me?
[03:32] <goldfish> nah i got that error when installing gentoo, it was to do with my cflags....
[03:33] <mig`> James_Ward, how would i set it?
[03:33] <James_Ward> goldfish, Could also be due to no gcc at all...
[03:33] <cafuego> sfilho: sfilho You need a payware driver for it.
[03:33] <goldfish> James_Ward: true...
[03:33] <mig`> i'm trying: echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH, and im getting blank output
[03:33] <goldfish> bruno: have you done, sudo apt-get install build-essentials ?
[03:33] <mig`> i tried: set $LD_LIBRARY_PATH /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/
[03:33] <cafuego> sfilho: The last time I tried that particular driver, it didn't want to compile on mine.
[03:33] <bruno> goldfish, not really
[03:33] <goldfish> bruno: ah ok.
[03:33] <James_Ward> mig export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=whatever
[03:33] <mig`> then: echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH, and i get blank output
[03:33] <mig`> ahh ok
[03:33] <goldfish> bruno: what happens if u type gcc in a terminal ?
[03:34] <James_Ward> goldfish, Good question!
[03:34] <goldfish> :)
[03:34] <sfilho> cafuego, nice, so I have to search for  'payware'
[03:34] <mig`> i get that its not a valid identifier
[03:34] <estebandido> nalioth, James_Ward, I reinstalled ssh-server
[03:34] <James_Ward> mig Drop the $
[03:34] <cafuego> sfilho: Let me find you the site you want...
[03:34] <bruno> ok, you're making me look stupid right now, but i guess i'm being one, really. :)
[03:34] <goldfish> bruno: no im not :)
[03:34] <estebandido> now i have to move the new host key to known_hosts
[03:34] <mig`> ok
[03:35] <bruno> tks for the help, i'd better study more.
[03:35] <bruno> :)
[03:35] <sfilho> cafuego, thank you very much
[03:35] <estebandido> is that a simple cut-and-paste thing?
[03:35] <cafuego> sfilho: I spent AAAGES lookinf for the damned thing, may as well make sure others benefit too :-)
[03:35] <cafuego> sfilho: http://www.consultmatt.co.uk/linux/nx9005/
[03:35] <sfilho> cafuego, ok :)
[03:36] <goldfish> bruno: sudo apt-get install build essentials
[03:36] <goldfish> bruno: then try your configure again
[03:37] <bruno> ok. tks.
[03:37] <sfilho> cafuego, oh, conexant driver :-\
[03:37] <sfilho> linuxant I meant
[03:37] <cafuego> sfilho: yeh
[03:38] <freddy> and then i have to get my tvcard working on my desktop
[03:38] <freddy> and with wifi and tvcard i will be more than happy
[03:38] <cafuego> sfilho: The info about pcmcia (the config.opts file) on that page is really useful too.
[03:38] <cafuego> !info omke hoary
[03:38] <sfilho> cafuego, right... let me try... and thanks again
[03:39] <JDigital_> conexant :rolleyes:
[03:39] <estebandido> James_Ward, how do i copy my new host key into known hosts?
[03:39] <James_Ward> estebandido, Why do you think you need to do that?
[03:40] <James_Ward> estebandido, Are you trying to set up passwordless access?
[03:40] <estebandido> no, but my old host key was interfering
[03:41] <estebandido> anyway, I figured it out
[03:41] <James_Ward> estebandido, I'm sorry,b tu are you having trouble sshing in, or out?
[03:41] <estebandido> it was just copy and paste
[03:41] <estebandido> in
[03:41] <estebandido> out is no problem
[03:41] <nalioth> goldfish: so dja see anything tempting?
[03:41] <James_Ward> So, rm .ssh/known_hosts on the system you're trying to come in from.
[03:42] <cafuego> ugh, stupid recursive symlink
[03:42] <Nylira> Anyone have any experience with VSTFPD and virtual user setups?
[03:42] <estebandido> yeah, i figured it out
[03:42] <estebandido> still haven't tried webmin, tho
[03:42] <James_Ward> estebandido, I wouldn't.
[03:43] <estebandido> really?
[03:43] <estebandido> why noy?
[03:43] <estebandido> not?
[03:43] <James_Ward> estebandido, That's what got you in this mess in the first place.
[03:43] <James_Ward> estebandido, What do you need webmin for?
[03:44] <estebandido> to allow remote logins
[03:44] <James_Ward> estebandido, No.
[03:44] <estebandido> what, then?
[03:44] <James_Ward> estebandido, Checking.
[03:44] <nalioth> estebandido: you dont need webmin to allow remote logins
[03:44] <nalioth> estebandido: just your username and IP
[03:44] <estebandido> just as well, it hasn't done much good
[03:45] <estebandido> except i'm on a local network
[03:45] <nalioth> estebandido: and the problem with local vs wan is?
[03:45] <estebandido> i *think* i have port forwarding done right, but something doesn't work
[03:45] <nalioth> estebandido: it's the same procedure
[03:45] <James_Ward> nalioth, Is inbound ssh enabled by default or must it be turned on?
[03:45] <nalioth> James_Ward: if you install openssh-server its on
[03:45] <James_Ward> nalioth, K.
[03:46] <nalioth> estebandido: what kind of port-forwarding?
[03:46] <estebandido> on the router
[03:46] <estebandido> sending requests to port 22 to this machine
[03:46] <nalioth> estebandido: from where are you tryin to access your box?
[03:46] <nalioth> estebandido: nother local machine or the WAN?
[03:46] <estebandido> ultimately, from work
[03:47] <goldfish> nalioth: yeah :)
[03:47] <nalioth> estebandido: dmz your box
[03:47] <estebandido> no, other machines on the network work fine
[03:47] <estebandido> dmz?
[03:47] <nalioth> estebandido: open it completely to the WAN
[03:47] <estebandido> how do i do that?
[03:47] <nalioth> estebandido: in your router admin screen, you should see a 'dmz' setting (maybe under games/gaming)
[03:48] <estebandido> i'll look
[03:48] <nalioth> estebandido: setting your machine in the dmz will forwared ALL ports to your machine
[03:48] <James_Ward> nalioth, Wow, I wonder if my router... oh wait, it's ehind a cable modem.
[03:49] <nalioth> estebandido: and then all you'll need is the IP from the router (so you can get there from outside your local network)
[03:49] <nalioth> James_Ward: that will work
[03:49] <James_Ward> nalioth, Maybe I can DMZ the router which can in turn dmz a host?
[03:49] <nalioth> James_Ward: you can dmz yours, too
[03:49] <estebandido> sure enough
[03:49] <James_Ward> nalioth, Fasminating.
[03:49] <vladuz976> does anybody know a good ide for C++ on linux(ubuntu)?
[03:49] <estebandido> thanks!
[03:49] <nalioth> estebandido: James_Ward: i only recommend DMZ for *nix boxes
[03:49] <estebandido> and ubuntu is pretty secure otherwise?
[03:50] <nalioth> estebandido: James_Ward: dmz for windows boxes leads to zombies
[03:50] <estebandido> yeah, no surprise
[03:50] <nalioth> estebandido: you wont have any trouble
[03:50] <James_Ward> nalioth, Windows? What's that?  ;-)
[03:50] <nalioth> James_Ward: it's a virus people pay for
[03:51] <nalioth> estebandido: do you have webservers, ftpservers, etc running?
[03:51] <James_Ward> nalioth, Man, two times in two months, a windoze box has gotten infected and dropped my network to its knees.  I wish I could just say No windows on my network!
[03:51] <estebandido> no, none of that
[03:51] <gbic> anyone tried lids on ubntu yet?
[03:51] <lampshade> James_Ward:  how?
[03:51] <nalioth> estebandido: then you only have a ssh port open, and only you have the user/pass it wants
[03:51] <estebandido> so, why does it still refuse my connection when i try to connect to my external IP?
[03:52] <crimsun> gbic, no, but I've been considering it. If only I could find some time...
[03:52] <gbic> este if youre paranoid, edit your hosts.allow / deny
[03:52] <James_Ward> I know, I should just put the windows boxes on their own switch and leave them to fend for themselves... :-)
[03:52] <nalioth> James_Ward: install a ubuntu box inline to the network running a chain of proxys (one of which should be a clamav proxy)
[03:52] <James_Ward> lampshade, I don't know how, but it's one nasty virus.
[03:53] <nalioth> estebandido: are you inside the local network?
[03:53] <estebandido> yes
[03:53] <James_Ward> nalioth, That intercepts virii in transit?
[03:53] <nalioth> estebandido: does it allow ssh access from inside the network? (to your local ip?)
[03:53] <estebandido> ah, let me see
[03:54] <James_Ward> estebandido, ssh localhost even?
[03:54] <nalioth> James_Ward: yes, and cuts down on bandwidth, too (because you use a caching proxy server in there)
[03:54] <nalioth> James_Ward: that doesnt work too well
[03:54] <James_Ward> nalioth, I'll have to look into that!
[03:54] <nalioth> James_Ward: ssh localhost doesnt work too well, in my experience
[03:54] <James_Ward> nalioth, Not even for testing?
[03:55] <estebandido> nalioth, i can ssh across the network, but that's it
[03:55] <James_Ward> estebandido, You're 98% there!
[03:55] <estebandido> and stalled
[03:55] <nalioth> James_Ward: go to http://devel.squid-cache.org/  and you will discover all kinds of ways to keep your network running
[03:56] <James_Ward> nalioth, danke
[03:56] <nalioth> estebandido: perhaps you should make a guest account and call a friend from off network to try to log into it
[03:56] <estebandido> hmmm... maybe, or just try from work tomorrow
[03:56] <nalioth> James_Ward: but caching proxys are just one step to network security (aside from dumping all the windows boxen)
[03:56] <abbot45> im having a problem with the gimp.  i am grabbing a color from one image with the eye dropper, then painting it on the new image, but its comming out a slightly different color.  when i grab the color from the new image the html notation is different even.
[03:57] <estebandido> but it's strange it doesn't work here
[03:57] <nalioth> estebandido: i have my machine DMZ'd and i can get to it from all over houston
[03:57] <linoleum> hey, peolpe, under ubuntu, do you have the transparence under gnome?
[03:57] <mig`> this is getting so tedious
[03:57] <nalioth> estebandido: i've never tried to connect to the external IP from inside the network
[03:57] <freddy> James_Ward, you still around?
[03:57] <estebandido> there's no reason it shouldn't work...
[03:57] <James_Ward> freddy, Si.
[03:58] <nalioth> estebandido: no, but things can be funny sometimes
[03:58] <freddy> es que estoy apunto de instalar la tarjeta
[03:58] <aaron> can someone help me with GnuPG?
[03:58] <estebandido> what if i ssh out to my web host and then ssh back?
[03:58] <gbic> aaron?
[03:58] <crimsun> aaron, shoot.
[03:58] <James_Ward> estebandido, Good test.
[03:59] <freddy> no sabia que podias hablar espanol :D
[03:59] <estebandido> y yo, tambien
[03:59] <aaron> I understand that SHA1 has been broken, and would like to sign my email with SHA512.  How can I do this?
[03:59] <freddy> how good :D
[03:59] <gbic> just use openssl to gen a cert then
[03:59] <nalioth> aaron: whats up
[04:00] <jasoncohen> is HashKnownHosts yes the default option for /etc/ssh/ssh_config in ubuntu? JDigital_ has that option but i don't from a fresh install and he says he didn't edit it
[04:00] <nalioth> freddy: estebandido can y'all do that in #ubuntu-es?
[04:00] <estebandido> sorry
[04:00] <freddy> sorry
[04:00] <estebandido> anyway, my connections are still refused
[04:00] <nalioth> estebandido: you DMZd the right IP on the network?
[04:01] <James_Ward> jasoncohen, Not in mine.
[04:01] <aaron> I have tried the 'setpref' command when I edit my key, but all my text is still signed with SHA1, even after setting it to SHA512
[04:01] <estebandido> yeah, checked it
[04:01] <nalioth> aaron: you can generate a new one, it asks you how you want it
[04:01] <jasoncohen> James_Ward, i don't understand how he has it
[04:01] <nalioth> aaron: or you can 'gpg --help'
[04:01] <estebandido> is there an allow file?
[04:01] <James_Ward> jasoncohen, Webmin?  ;-)
[04:02] <jasoncohen> James_Ward, perhaps
[04:02] <nalioth> estebandido: hosts.allow i believe was mentioned earlier
[04:02] <aaron> nalioth: I would rather not generate a new key, as many friends and family have my public key
[04:02] <nalioth> goldfish: ya comin back or has the apple got your tongue?
[04:02] <jasoncohen> James_Ward, he says he didn't use webmin
[04:02] <goldfish> nalioth: i'm back :)
[04:02] <James_Ward> TADA, woody-> ubuntu dist-upgrade complete!
[04:02] <nalioth> aaron: that is the only way i know to change the encrytption level
[04:03] <jasoncohen> James_Ward, cool
[04:03] <nalioth> goldfish: you didnt know about that page?
[04:03] <goldfish> nalioth: nope.
[04:03] <goldfish> it'a nice
[04:03] <goldfish> *it's
[04:03] <nalioth> goldfish: i like apples policy: any refurb they sell, they warranty it like a new product (and you can get APP on em, too)
[04:04] <gbic> brb, booting to nix on my laptop
[04:04] <goldfish> nalioth: yeah it's cool
[04:04] <nalioth> goldfish: unlike the intel manufucturers, where its refurb=30 days or until you get home
[04:04] <goldfish> hehe
[04:05] <nalioth> goldfish: and i have 0 problem runnin PPC
[04:05] <luminerd> how hard is a dual boot windows/ubuntu install of ubuntu?
[04:05] <mig`> hmm
[04:05] <nalioth> luminerd: not hard at all
[04:05] <goldfish> luminerd: not hard at all.
[04:05] <goldfish> lol
[04:05] <James_Ward> Uhoh, lilo's munged.
[04:05] <mig`> how would i make directory point to another?
[04:05] <goldfish> mig`: ln -s
[04:05] <estebandido> nalioth, i also run ppc
[04:05] <nalioth> mig`: symlink
[04:05] <estebandido> but i still can't get in
[04:05] <Kyral> James_Ward, sudo apt-get install grub :P
[04:05] <nalioth> estebandido: they're great, arent they?
[04:05] <estebandido> i like 'em, always have
[04:06] <estebandido> anyway, i set hosts.allow to ALL
[04:06] <nalioth> luminerd: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[04:06] <luminerd> thanks
[04:06] <James_Ward> Kyral, I have to get the system back up first... ;-)
[04:06] <nalioth> estebandido: i'm not sure whats up with you, it works internally on the network, it should work from the WAN
[04:06] <nalioth> estebandido: i'm thinkin the router didnt save or something
[04:06] <estebandido> grrr
[04:06] <mig`> ok it seems to be working now
[04:07] <mig`> ok, it worked!
[04:07] <Kyral> James_Ward, Rescue CD?
[04:07] <estebandido> ok, thanks for your time
[04:07] <mig`> let me edit grub's menu.lst
[04:07] <James_Ward> Kyral, I have a grub floppy.  Any idea what arguments the kernel needs?
[04:07] <Kyral> James_Ward, nope :P
[04:07] <James_Ward> Kyral 2.2.20.
[04:08] <cafuego> luminerd: There's a trick to a dual-boot install. That trick is to make sure you install windows first, THEN linux.
[04:08] <mig`> ok, let me try to restart
[04:08] <mig`> brb
[04:08] <Kyral> I haven't had much success with screwing with the boot process
[04:08] <luminerd> yea, cafuego I have done it with PCLinuxOS before but PCLOS sux0rs
[04:08] <nalioth> luminerd: and thats all ya got to remember (aside from makin enough space for ubuntu)
[04:08] <luminerd> So, Gnome is the default WM?
[04:08] <luminerd> does Ubuntu come with anything else?
[04:08] <nalioth> luminerd: yes
[04:08] <cafuego> luminerd: Ubuntu will detect windows and add it to the boot menu. it requires no special effort.
[04:08] <nalioth> luminerd: whatever you like
[04:08] <luminerd> that's cool
[04:09] <luminerd> I'm gonna add e17 :)
[04:09] <nalioth> luminerd: kde, gnome, xfce, enlightenment, *box, and on and on
[04:09] <James_Ward> Uhoh pcmcia not present...
[04:09] <cafuego> luminerd: About 31 GB of software
[04:09] <nybble> who here runs ubuntu on their server?
[04:10] <James_Ward> nybble, I have it on one.
[04:10] <nybble> James_Ward: sweet. i'm not alone
[04:10] <luminerd> cafuego, serious?
[04:10] <luminerd> cafuego, that much comes with ubuntu?
[04:10] <gbic> ahhhh, much better
[04:10] <cafuego> !dstats hoary
[04:10] <ubotu> Ubuntu Distro Stats on hoary... 16270 packages, 1437 maintainers, 31005 MB installed size, 9820 MB compressed size.
[04:11] <James_Ward> nybble, Mine's a backup server with 1.5T disk array attached,
[04:11] <luminerd> Oh dang
[04:11] <luminerd> I can't do ubuntu then
[04:11] <nalioth> James_Ward: you can put a proxy server box inline on your network, and it'll cut down on bandwidth and keep a lot of nastiness from your windoze boxen
[04:11] <cafuego> luminerd: Why not?
[04:11] <luminerd> because my hard drive's only 40g!
[04:11] <cafuego> luminerd: There's no rule that says you _have_ to install everything.
[04:11] <luminerd> plus, someone told me there was only 1 install cd
[04:11] <nybble> james_ward: cool... *drool*
[04:11] <luminerd> cafuego, oh, I see
[04:11] <nalioth> luminerd: thats for EVERYTHING
[04:11] <luminerd> oh...
[04:11] <luminerd> Ok so how many cds are there for everything?
[04:11] <James_Ward> nalioth, My PCMCIA is busted...
[04:12] <nybble> james_ward: i'm going to turn a box here into a NAS box
[04:12] <nalioth> luminerd: none
[04:12] <nalioth> luminerd: one isntall cd, and apt-get the rest
[04:12] <luminerd> someone clue me in...
[04:12] <nalioth> James_Ward: both of em?
[04:12] <cafuego> luminerd: You cannot install 31GB of stuff, some things conflicts with other things. normally a desktop install would be around 2GB.
[04:12] <luminerd> what if you don't have internet
[04:12] <nybble> james_ward *hopefully using unbuntu
[04:12] <luminerd> on the ubuntu comp I don't have net
[04:12] <cafuego> luminerd: If you don't have internet you wouldn't be here asking questions ;-)
[04:12] <nalioth> luminerd: the install disk will give you a pretty usable desktop
[04:12] <James_Ward> nalioth, Says PCMCIA not present...
[04:12] <luminerd> ...*pretty* usable?
[04:12] <luminerd> lol
[04:13] <nalioth> James_Ward: for both of your cards?
[04:13] <luminerd> oh well I'll just connect it to the net just so I can apt-get
[04:13] <nybble> luminerd: good enough to start
[04:13] <luminerd> where can I get info on all the apt-gettables
[04:13] <nalioth> luminerd: packages.ubuntu.com
[04:13] <cafuego> luminerd: All the basics are there for a normal desktop machine with office. Gimp, email, browser, C/C++ development environment etc.
[04:13] <luminerd> ok thanks
[04:13] <James_Ward> nalioth, You don't understand, it doesn't even see PCMCIA on the system...
[04:13] <virgule> uh oh.. I just compiled and installed xchat 2.4.4 but 'about' still say 2.4.1 ???
[04:13] <luminerd> yay :) GIMP!!
[04:13] <luminerd> does Audacity come?
[04:13] <nalioth> James_Ward: ok. i'm not sure where to go from here, then
[04:14] <virgule> what it the trick here?
[04:14] <cafuego> virgule: Did you run 'make install 'on a tarball?  Version: 1.2.3-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 1610 kB, Installed size: 4680 kB
[04:14] <virgule> then dpkg -i xchat...
[04:14] <nalioth> James_Ward: thats funny tho,
[04:14] <crimsun> luminerd, come again? audacity does work, but you need to disable esd first.
[04:14] <luminerd> esd?
[04:14] <luminerd> what's esd?
[04:15] <virgule> Enlightenment Sound Daemon
[04:15] <virgule> ?
[04:15] <James_Ward> nalioth, Maybe the way PCMCIA is addressed changed?
[04:15] <luminerd> o.O
[04:15] <crimsun> luminerd, esd is the sound daemon that Ubuntu uses by default. And cafuego's right on target - you'll need to enable the universe repository to install audacity.
[04:15] <luminerd> Oh that
[04:15] <luminerd> heh
[04:15] <nalioth> James_Ward: i have no clue, i'd restart it with the other card in
[04:15] <cafuego> luminerd: esd is a sound server, which allows multiple applications to output sound simultaneously.
[04:15] <estebandido> next question... why does firefox maxout the processor so often and so long?
[04:15] <luminerd> cafuego, are you frickin serious?!
[04:15] <nalioth> estebandido: cuz it sux
[04:15] <luminerd> I've been looking for something that does that for ages
[04:15] <cafuego> Please stop accusing me of knowing what I'm talking about.
[04:15] <estebandido> ah, i see
[04:16] <luminerd> lol
[04:16] <nalioth> estebandido: try galeon, epiphany, kazehakase
[04:16] <estebandido> any solutions?
[04:16] <virgule> ;)
[04:16] <estebandido> cool, i will
[04:16] <James_Ward> nalioth, Do I still need an initrd if I am booting from disk?
[04:16] <estebandido> thanks
[04:16] <Kyral> luminerd, ESD == the suxxor
[04:16] <cafuego> luminerd: Yes. Gnome uses esound, KDE ises ARTS. Both are sound server systems. (they work locally and networked)
[04:16] <nalioth> James_Ward: sorry, i drive a taxicab, i dont know what initrd is
[04:16] <Kyral> lol
[04:16] <nybble> anyone have an ideal setup idea for making a NAS box?
[04:16] <James_Ward> nalioth, :-)
[04:16] <freddy> LOL
[04:16] <luminerd> Kyral, why?
[04:16] <cafuego> !initrd is satan
[04:16] <ubotu> cafuego: okay
[04:17] <virgule> Kyral: how did you upgrade xchat?
[04:17] <luminerd> Dude, I've always used Alsa, and it's the worst
[04:17] <Kyral> umm
[04:17] <Kyral> sudo apt-get update?
[04:17] <luminerd> I don't like Alsa because I can only hear sound from one program
[04:17] <virgule> i just did the regular ./configure; make; checkinstall... where is the trick? :)
[04:17] <Kyral> I can hear sound from multiprogs with ALSA
[04:17] <James_Ward> naliothGuess not, there's no initrd file.
[04:17] <cafuego> luminerd: esd runs on top of alsa
[04:17] <nalioth> nybble: i'm ignorant, but whats NAS?
[04:17] <cafuego> !nas
[04:17] <ubotu> cafuego: I give up, what is it?
[04:17] <luminerd> cafuego, I see, well that sounds cool
[04:17] <Kyral> checkinstall makes a deb I think
[04:17] <nybble> nalioth: network attached storage
[04:17] <Kyral> !info xchat
[04:18] <cafuego> ubotu: You are useless.
[04:18] <luminerd> eh, I have to go
[04:18] <ubotu> xchat: (IRC client for X similar to AmIRC), section net, is optional. Version: 2.4.1-0.1ubuntu5 (hoary), Packaged size: 248 kB, Installed size: 672 kB
[04:18] <ubotu> I think you lost me on that one, cafuego
[04:18] <luminerd> ttyl
[04:18] <virgule> !info xchat
[04:18] <nalioth> nybble: make.com had a cool little page up
[04:18] <luminerd> thanks for the help btw!
[04:18] <nybble> yay
[04:18] <nybble> thx
[04:18] <crimsun> luminerd, alsa can be configured (via dmix) to output multiple sounds simultaneously.
[04:18] <Kyral> .....where the hell DID I get 2.4.3?
[04:18] <nalioth> nybble: makemagazine.com whatever it is
[04:18] <crimsun> luminerd, in fact, it's enabled by default in Breezy.
[04:18] <Kyral> oyah, backports :D
[04:18] <cafuego> !info xchat breezy
[04:18] <virgule> hhaaa
[04:18] <ubotu> xchat: (IRC client for X similar to AmIRC), section net, is optional. Version: 2.4.3-0.1ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 237 kB, Installed size: 652 kB
[04:18] <nybble> http://www.makezine.com/
[04:19] <Kyral> and its already in Hoary Backports :D
[04:19] <nalioth> nybble: i got a chuckle out of their project
[04:19] <virgule> mm
[04:19] <cafuego> sane people use irssi, not xchat backports
[04:19] <Kyral> X-Chat > All
[04:19] <Kyral> Backports == Stable :D
[04:20] <cafuego> Kyral: if you want stability you shouldn't be using X to begin with.
[04:20] <Kyral> !info xchat backports
[04:20] <gbic> Someone was saying they were able to get their x800 to work in hoary... I am just curious to know how they managed...I have an x600 mobile and have yet to manage to get hardware rendering to work
[04:20] <Kyral> cafuego, I'm a sucker for eyecandy :D
[04:20] <James_Ward> Any PCMCIA experts here?
[04:20] <cafuego> Kyral: buy a mac
[04:21] <Kyral> cafuego, not enough money :D
[04:21] <cafuego> pff
[04:21] <nalioth> Kyral: bullfeathers, they are $499
[04:21] <nybble> nalioth: too bad they want a subscription
[04:21] <cafuego> mac minis are cheep
[04:21] <nalioth> Kyral: cheap
[04:21] <nybble> mmm... mac minis
[04:21] <nalioth> nybble: you are at the wrong site
[04:21] <nalioth> nybble: let me see
[04:21] <nybble> nalioth: ah
[04:21] <Kyral> nalioth, I need money for school next semester and I couldn't find work for this year
[04:22] <aru> is there a gui app for formatting hdds in gnome?
[04:22] <HrdwrBoB> not as such
[04:22] <nybble> gparted?
[04:22] <HrdwrBoB> you can get gparted
[04:22] <Kyral> QtParted?
[04:23] <cafuego> ubotu: go away
[04:23] <aru> k, thanks
[04:23] <Tom89> is Ubuntu like linux?
[04:24] <unome> root shouldnt be in sudoers or am I wrong?
[04:24] <Kyral> ...*deadpan*
[04:24] <nybble> its not just "like" linux... it most possibly "is" linux!
[04:24] <nybble> lol
[04:24] <Kyral> I think I have a new quitline
[04:24] <Tom89> ??
[04:24] <unome> Ubuntu is the only usable linux I know Tom89
[04:24] <nybble> yes, what unome said
[04:24] <Xira> Hey guys, my sound used to work, but now I just get: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:868:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[04:24] <Tom89> confused
[04:24] <Xira> Error while initializing the sound driver:
[04:24] <Xira> device: default can't be opened for playback (No such file or directory)
[04:24] <Xira> could anyone help?